1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:04,790 Okay, we are live. 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:06,480 » Okay, uh we would like to welcome 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:08,200 everybody to the Alpine City Planning 4 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:10,280 Commission meeting on this uh Tuesday, 5 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:13,120 June 16th, 2026. The meeting is being 6 00:00:13,120 --> 00:00:15,680 held live at City Hall, 20 North Main 7 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:17,720 Street, Alpine, Utah. 8 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:19,920 Uh we are also uh 9 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,480 casting live on YouTube if anybody would 10 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:24,240 like to tune in. 11 00:00:24,240 --> 00:00:26,440 So, uh welcome everybody. We appreciate 12 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,280 all those that are here. Uh also 13 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:30,000 appreciate the representatives of the 14 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:31,920 city that we have here with us, Marla 15 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,480 Fox, Caden Lyon, and Jason Judd. 16 00:00:35,480 --> 00:00:37,840 Uh and also like to recognize all the 17 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:39,160 members of the Planning Commission we 18 00:00:39,160 --> 00:00:42,200 have. Uh Jeff Davis, Sue Wittenberg, 19 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,400 Greg Greg Butterfield, myself Alan 20 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:45,560 McDonald. 21 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:47,680 I've got John McKay, Michelle Shermer, 22 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:49,520 and Troy Slade. 23 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,160 Uh so, with that, uh let's go ahead and 24 00:00:52,160 --> 00:00:54,360 begin the meeting with an opening prayer 25 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,720 that will be given to us by 26 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:58,320 uh Greg Butterfield, followed by the 27 00:00:58,320 --> 00:00:59,920 Pledge of Allegiance, uh which will be 28 00:00:59,920 --> 00:01:04,869 led by John McKay. 29 00:01:04,879 --> 00:01:06,520 » Our dear kind heavenly Father, we come 30 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:07,920 before thee on this beautiful Tuesday 31 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:09,240 night and give thee thanks for all our 32 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:10,760 many blessings. Heavenly Father, we're 33 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:12,200 grateful for the opportunity we have to 34 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:13,800 live in Alpine, for all our wonderful 35 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:14,920 family and friends that we are 36 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:16,800 surrounded with. At this time, we would 37 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:18,520 invite thy spirit to be with us. Bless 38 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:19,920 us that our minds might be sharp, that 39 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:21,680 we might be able to have open hearts 40 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:23,520 that will be civil, that we will be able 41 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:24,960 to talk about those things that are in 42 00:01:24,960 --> 00:01:26,640 the best interest of all 43 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:28,160 the Alpine citizens, that we might be 44 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,400 able to be faithful to our stewardship, 45 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:31,840 that we might be able to do the things 46 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:33,600 that thou would have us to do. And we 47 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:35,120 say this and give thee thanks once again 48 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:36,880 for all our many blessings, and we say 49 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:38,960 this in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen. 50 00:01:38,960 --> 00:01:42,230 >> Amen. 51 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:43,680 » Please rise and join me in the Pledge of 52 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:45,040 Allegiance. 53 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,640 >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the 54 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,240 United States of America, and to the 55 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,520 republic for which it stands, one nation 56 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,640 under God, indivisible, with liberty and 57 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,870 justice for all. 58 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:02,000 » Okay, thank you 59 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,160 Greg and John, much appreciated. All 60 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:06,600 right, let's jump right into reports and 61 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:08,200 presentations. 62 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,440 The agenda notes that there are none. 63 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,000 Caden, is that still the case? 64 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:13,040 >> That is the case, yes. 65 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:13,800 >> Okay. 66 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,080 Then we will jump right into action 67 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,640 items and discussion items. And Caden, 68 00:02:19,640 --> 00:02:21,440 it's my understanding that item number 69 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,840 one, review of the 512 commercial site 70 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:25,280 plan has been pulled. 71 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:26,680 >> That's correct. So, it will just have to 72 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:28,520 be postponed to a future meeting as a 73 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:29,280 motion. 74 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:30,360 >> All right. 75 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,680 Oh, we do need a motion to actually 76 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:34,959 postpone that, even if it's been pulled? 77 00:02:34,959 --> 00:02:37,000 >> That's what I've been told. So, 78 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:37,200 >> Okay. 79 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:37,640 >> I don't think 80 00:02:37,640 --> 00:02:39,040 >> we've ever done that before, but that 81 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:40,320 should be an easy motion. Anybody like 82 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:42,520 to make a make a motion? 83 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:43,751 >> I'll make a motion. 84 00:02:43,751 --> 00:02:44,320 >> [laughter] 85 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:45,160 >> Let her ride. 86 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:49,270 >> Hi. Oh, turn mic. Hi. 87 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:50,400 We remove actually 88 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,520 >> sorry, we still can't hear you. 89 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,240 >> Here we go. 90 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,040 I move that we remove item A, our action 91 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:01,040 item number A of the 5.12 92 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:02,440 commercial site plan. 93 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:03,720 >> Okay, we have a motion by Sue 94 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:04,959 Wittenberg. Do we have a second? 95 00:03:04,959 --> 00:03:06,120 >> Second it. 96 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,280 >> Okay, we have a second by Jeff Davis. 97 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:09,239 All in favor? 98 00:03:09,239 --> 00:03:10,040 >> Aye. 99 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:11,239 >> Okay. 100 00:03:11,239 --> 00:03:13,800 Item number one has been removed and 101 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,840 will be postponed for future date and 102 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:18,000 time 103 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:19,640 to be determined. 104 00:03:19,640 --> 00:03:22,080 All right, just one quick comment. 105 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:23,560 Caden, I don't believe that any of the 106 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:25,280 action items require a public hearing, 107 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:25,880 correct? 108 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:27,120 >> No, no, they do not. 109 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:28,239 >> Okay. 110 00:03:28,239 --> 00:03:31,040 All right, let's dive right into action 111 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,360 item B, then, which will be review of 112 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,600 Long Range Shooters of Utah commercial 113 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:37,360 site plan. Caden, could you introduce 114 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:39,080 that for us? 115 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,560 >> All right, thank you. 116 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,320 So, this is a commercial site plan 117 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,320 proposed off of 200 North and Main 118 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:47,840 Street in Alpine. It's called the Long 119 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:49,920 Range Shooters of Utah. 120 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,440 The building is proposed to be a space 121 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,000 for a small retail gun shop, a 122 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:56,960 warehouse, a space for an office, and a 123 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:00,120 space to film content in for the shop. 124 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:01,560 It will also include a one-bedroom 125 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,480 apartment above the office area. 126 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:06,120 Um, so the applicant has provided a site 127 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:07,600 plan that meets the requirements of the 128 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:09,360 business commercial zone and the Gateway 129 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:10,840 Historic Zone. 130 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:12,400 There's a few adjustments that needed to 131 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,040 be made to the materials per potentially 132 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:16,640 uh to make them 133 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:18,160 uh in line with the Gateway Historic 134 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,079 Design Guidelines. 135 00:04:20,079 --> 00:04:22,040 Uh, the parking requirements were met. 136 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,160 Uh, it was determined that 3.5 stalls 137 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,200 were needed per the 1,000 square feet. 138 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,680 Uh, the building's about 1,600. 139 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:31,680 Uh, and that includes the two spots in 140 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:33,120 inside the building for the apartment 141 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:34,640 above. 142 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,680 There uh is a requirement that the 143 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:39,240 one-bedroom apartment above be 144 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,080 owner-occupied, which the applicant is 145 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:42,280 aware of 146 00:04:42,280 --> 00:04:45,680 and is determined to comply with. 147 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,160 And uh there is also there was an 148 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,240 adjustment to the site plan that they 149 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,360 added a 10-ft public utility easement 150 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:54,800 along the front property line, and so 151 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:56,800 that should also be met uh as well as 152 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,600 the other sections in uh in code four of 153 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:02,400 DCA. 154 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,840 So, that is the proposed site, kind of 155 00:05:04,840 --> 00:05:07,000 the vicinity map, really just right 156 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,818 here, kind of around the corner from us. 157 00:05:09,818 --> 00:05:10,600 >> [snorts] 158 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:12,600 >> And so, I'll just jump right into the 159 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:14,320 staff recommendation. After our review 160 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,240 of all these codes, we would recommend 161 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:17,880 that the Planning Commission consider 162 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,160 sending a positive recommendation 163 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:21,280 to the [snorts] City Council for the 164 00:05:21,280 --> 00:05:23,000 proposed site plan for the new Long 165 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:24,560 Range Shooters of Utah Commercial Site 166 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:25,560 Plan 167 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:30,760 based on the condition that all exterior materials uh be met 168 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:32,080 for the Gateway Historic Design 169 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:33,640 Guidelines. 170 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:35,000 So, I'll just jump right into the plan 171 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,030 now. 172 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,080 So, as I just said, we we feel as staff 173 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,640 that they did meet the code requirements 174 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,440 for this type of plan. 175 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,040 There's another vicinity map. 176 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:53,550 Make it a little bit smaller. 177 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:57,910 Jump here to the site plan. 178 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:01,120 So, they are they have the seven spots 179 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,120 parking stalls outside the building and 180 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:04,320 then there's two more proposed for 181 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,160 inside the the building for the 182 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,600 apartment. 183 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:10,560 Utilities are met. The landscaping plan 184 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:11,800 was reviewed and determined to be 185 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:13,160 compliant with the landscaping 186 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:17,909 requirements of 314 in the code. 187 00:06:17,919 --> 00:06:21,350 You can see it right there. 188 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,760 And let's see. Let's jump to the 189 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:28,590 elevations. 190 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:30,800 So, here's the elevations 191 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:32,840 and the proposed materials for the 192 00:06:32,840 --> 00:06:35,800 exterior of the building. 193 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:37,120 See, there's a lot of stucco here on the 194 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,320 north elevation. 195 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,720 ACM panels proposed here on the south 196 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:45,430 elevation. 197 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:47,919 And then the applicant informed me that 198 00:06:47,919 --> 00:06:49,840 this is I don't think it's labeled, but 199 00:06:49,840 --> 00:06:53,160 it is brick a brick material. 200 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:58,990 And I believe this is continued stucco. 201 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:00,960 And you can see the exterior entrance to 202 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:02,560 the upper part of the building. I 203 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,120 believe that's for the accessory 204 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,630 apartment. 205 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,840 Lighting plan also was submitted. 206 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,280 >> Hey, Gabe, real quick, before we leave 207 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,400 the exterior materials, could you go 208 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,000 back? I just had a question. 209 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:19,960 And 210 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:21,640 I on my way and I did see a gentleman 211 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:23,600 carrying a brick, so 212 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,760 >> Yeah, they they they did want to present 213 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:27,400 the the exterior materials. 214 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:28,200 >> We'll get to that in a second. 215 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:29,760 Excellent. Thank you. We're hoping it 216 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:31,955 wasn't meant for you. 217 00:07:31,955 --> 00:07:33,160 >> [laughter] 218 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:36,800 >> Um okay, what what are ACM panels? 219 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:38,280 And is that are you going to show us on 220 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:39,960 the the rendering? 221 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:41,640 >> Yeah, I'm not 100% sure. I'm sure the 222 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:42,960 applicant could address that question 223 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:44,240 more directly. 224 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:48,070 Here is the rendering. 225 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:49,960 » Do you want me Do I Do I need to come up 226 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:51,840 to explain what those are? 227 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,760 >> Uh yeah, we'll we'll have a we'll we'll finish with Cayden. He'll 228 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:56,920 introduce, we'll go through everything, 229 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:58,280 and then we'll have you come up if 230 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,440 that'll be okay, and and we might have 231 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,395 some questions for you. Thank you. 232 00:08:03,395 --> 00:08:03,960 >> [snorts] 233 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:05,680 >> Yep, so here's the rendering. This is 234 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:07,440 the I believe the garage entrance to the 235 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,080 warehouse here, 236 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,200 uh pedestrian entrance here. 237 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,960 And I believe that's it for me. Um and 238 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:17,480 then we just have the lighting specs. 239 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:18,320 >> Continuing after this. 240 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,120 >> So, okay, if I'm just looking at this 241 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:21,880 rendering then, there's, you know, some 242 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:23,000 cars that are put in there, a little 243 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:24,720 white pickup truck, and maybe a little 244 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:26,080 4Runner or something next to it. And 245 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:29,880 that material right in front of that, is that 246 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:31,520 Do you know what that is? And if not, 247 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:32,440 Cayden, that's fine. We can 248 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:34,360 >> I believe that is the ACM. That's my 249 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,080 understanding, but the applicant can 250 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,120 clarify if it's not. 251 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:40,719 >> Okay. 252 00:08:40,719 --> 00:08:41,960 All right. Anything else, Cayden, as you 253 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:43,039 were going through? 254 00:08:43,039 --> 00:08:47,520 >> That is it for me and for for staff. 255 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,246 >> Okay. Um we can 256 00:08:49,246 --> 00:08:49,920 >> [clears throat] 257 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:51,480 >> Do anybody have any questions for Cayden 258 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:53,640 before we 259 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,400 chat with the applicant? 260 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:59,200 Okay. I might have some questions, so if 261 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,080 uh Is there a representative of Long 262 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,280 Range Shoot uh commercial site plan 263 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:04,360 here? 264 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,276 Okay. 265 00:09:06,276 --> 00:09:06,800 >> [clears throat] 266 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:08,800 >> If you could, just tell us your name and 267 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:10,640 >> Uh Rick Christensen, owner of the Bend N 268 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:11,600 Build Construction. 269 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:13,000 >> Rick, could you turn on the microphone? 270 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,760 It's back behind the 271 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:17,400 Uh it's on the mic itself. There's a 272 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,120 little button on there at the very 273 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:20,440 bottom of the base. 274 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,240 >> Yeah, there you go. 275 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:23,640 >> Is that better? 276 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:25,000 >> Yeah. 277 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:26,000 Is that on? Okay. 278 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,760 >> Yeah, it is. Okay, Rick, so So, I think 279 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:30,040 that the question we would have for you 280 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:31,839 is we just, you know, as you're aware, 281 00:09:31,839 --> 00:09:33,480 that the building sits in the Gateway 282 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:34,839 Historic District, and you're aware of 283 00:09:34,839 --> 00:09:36,320 those guidelines. 284 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,120 Um just to refresh you briefly, design 285 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,040 standards, the use of stone, brick, 286 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,360 wood, or stucco is encouraged for use as 287 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,160 a primary exterior materials. 288 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:47,240 Um 289 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:48,760 So, Kaden's let us know that I think for 290 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,160 the most part the plans comply with 291 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,520 setbacks and there was a public utility 292 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,000 easement that that you've taken into 293 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:56,720 consideration, etc. 294 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:57,800 So, I think some of the questions we'd 295 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,040 have for you just really are exterior 296 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:01,160 building materials. 297 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:02,080 >> Okay. 298 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:03,960 So, that the ACM panels which we're 299 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:08,200 proposing, that's a metal panel that is 300 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,560 really flat and it's got a gap lines 301 00:10:10,560 --> 00:10:13,040 around it. It's folded, it's lasered. 302 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:14,840 It's really sharp looking. 303 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:16,440 Um 304 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:17,960 We would like to use that. That's their 305 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,080 hope. So, [snorts] 306 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:23,150 um 307 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:24,720 I don't know how else to explain it 308 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:26,680 besides that. I mean, you can make the 309 00:10:26,680 --> 00:10:28,720 panels any size you want, so it fits in 310 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:30,440 between the windows. 311 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:31,800 You know, so all the windows will have 312 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,280 It almost looks like a recessed panel 313 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,120 when you put it up. 314 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,720 Um what are those lines? 315 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,440 um 316 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,120 where the panels are seamed or are they 317 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:48,040 Yeah, so engraved some sort some way or 318 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,440 Yeah, so it's totally completely sealed. 319 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,440 So, the panels come, they overlap each 320 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:54,600 other, so the water can't penetrate any 321 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:55,880 of that metal. 322 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:57,640 Works really well. It's used a lot in 323 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:59,400 commercial upper end commercial 324 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:03,630 buildings. 325 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:04,720 I think 326 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:06,040 What's it made out of, brick? 327 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:07,880 >> It's just metal. It's like a So, it's 328 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,240 going to be a black matte black like 329 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:11,600 finish. 330 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:13,760 Um If you could compare it to the color 331 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:14,520 of a 332 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,160 black metal roof, you know, that that's 333 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:19,800 kind of what the color would be. 334 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:21,800 >> And you can fabricate those so that you 335 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:23,640 can have vertical or you can do all 336 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:24,360 kinds of shapes. 337 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:26,120 >> Yes, you can do whatever shapes, bigger, 338 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:27,640 smaller, you know what I mean? So, you 339 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:28,880 have some design. 340 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:30,560 >> The stripe is where it's all part of the 341 00:11:30,560 --> 00:11:31,839 panel. That's what keeps [clears throat] 342 00:11:31,839 --> 00:11:32,360 it and then 343 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,480 >> Yes, comes back out. Yeah, it's So, 344 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:36,360 it's, you know, kind of like the front 345 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,600 of your desk here a little bit, but the 346 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,560 panels come out and the the, you know, 347 00:11:41,560 --> 00:11:45,190 the skinny part goes back in. 348 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,080 » And those vertical windows, are those um 349 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:49,280 I mean they're they're they look like 350 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:50,640 they look rectangular. Are those 351 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:52,280 black-framed windows? They they they 352 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,280 look dark. Yes, which I mean they look nice. 353 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,680 Um 354 00:11:57,680 --> 00:11:58,760 Okay. 355 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:00,040 Um oh 356 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:00,800 One thing I was going to ask you, 357 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,000 Cayden, is is I'm not aware that there's 358 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,640 any issue with the the the retail use a 359 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:08,960 gun shop is a permitted use 360 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:10,720 in in Alpine in the Gateway Historic 361 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:12,200 District, etc. I don't know. I'm just 362 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,320 >> Yeah, so 363 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:15,760 >> That's a great question. I actually 364 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,040 don't think the code mentions at all 365 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,280 guns specifically, and so this was taken 366 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,560 as a retail use, which is permitted in 367 00:12:22,560 --> 00:12:24,080 the BC zone. 368 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:25,760 And is what it will be along with the 369 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:27,200 other amenities the other things they 370 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:28,840 will need to be able to do that retail 371 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:29,960 use. 372 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:34,040 So, that's how it was determined as the land use classification. 373 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:34,960 >> All right. Yeah, I just wanted to make 374 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,480 sure the use was a permitted use. It's 375 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,839 pretty just been here on this commission 376 00:12:39,839 --> 00:12:41,720 for a while. This was the first gun shop 377 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:43,880 we had, so welcome to town. 378 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:45,839 >> To kind of tag along on Alan's question 379 00:12:45,839 --> 00:12:47,668 there, I mean, I don't know 380 00:12:47,668 --> 00:12:49,360 [clears throat] if this is anything 381 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:50,760 I- and if it was a public school, 382 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:52,120 probably be a 383 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:53,800 an issue, maybe. There's that little 384 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:55,400 private school across the street. Is 385 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,360 that I mean, is that is that any kind of 386 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,640 an issue or 387 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:01,839 >> That's You mean You mean kitty-corner? 388 00:13:01,839 --> 00:13:02,400 >> Mhm. 389 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:03,880 >> No, across the street. That little 390 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:04,520 preschool daycare. 391 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:06,520 >> Oh, yeah. That's right. 392 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:06,920 Okay. 393 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:08,280 >> Yeah, there's a preschool and daycare 394 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,350 right there. 395 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:12,480 It's the Utah code. 396 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:14,200 >> I I just didn't know if there's a code 397 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:15,920 or 398 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:16,720 anything. 399 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:17,400 >> Yes, sir. 400 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:18,080 >> So, we met with 401 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:19,440 >> Want to see Yeah, could we could we get 402 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:19,920 your name? 403 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:21,360 >> Yeah, Bryce Bergin. I'm the owner and 404 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,200 founder of LRSO Long Range Shooting in 405 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:24,160 Utah. 406 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,080 So, when we met with Ryan previously, he 407 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:27,760 contacted the city attorney. He did his 408 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:29,520 research, gave us the approval that 409 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:31,480 there was no law state federal or 410 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,120 otherwise that would preclude preclude 411 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,240 us from having a gun shop there. I think 412 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:36,600 it's also important to note that this is 413 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,480 not a typical gun shop. We do very very 414 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,280 low volume, very high-end products. So, 415 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:43,720 this isn't going to be an open door 416 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:45,080 anybody can walk in where they want to 417 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:46,920 pick up a handgun. It's exclusively 418 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:48,520 precision rifles 419 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:50,200 for long-range shooting and optics and 420 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:51,600 things like that. So, it's more or less 421 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,560 going to be more appointment only than 422 00:13:53,560 --> 00:13:54,880 it is going to be open hours where 423 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:56,840 people can walk in and walk out. So, 424 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:58,880 currently I do that business in my home. 425 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:00,280 It's a home-based FFL. 426 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,040 >> Do you know a guy named Clint Adams? 427 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:03,560 >> You know Clint Adams? Big dude. 428 00:14:03,560 --> 00:14:05,840 >> Clint is my cousin. 429 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,640 He got all He got He got all the size. I don't know what happened there. It's 430 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:09,960 um 431 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:11,520 >> He killed the bear with a pickax. 432 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:13,240 >> Yes, he did. 433 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:14,160 I was going to ask you I was going to 434 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:15,400 chat with you about that afterwards, but 435 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:16,640 you did bring that up. It's quite the 436 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:19,320 story. If you ever look at Utah man 437 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,240 bears ice ax in grizzly bear's back, 438 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,440 you'll find my cousin. My cousin's name. 439 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:28,240 But, um Okay. So, uh um it just it just 440 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,520 might be worth thinking about in in a 441 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:32,600 motion on this that it could that a 442 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,000 condition is that um 443 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,839 the proposed use is consistent with all, 444 00:14:38,839 --> 00:14:39,839 you know, 445 00:14:39,839 --> 00:14:41,839 local, state, and federal laws. Sounds 446 00:14:41,839 --> 00:14:47,480 like it probably is, but I just it's worth It was a good question. Okay. 447 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:48,839 Um 448 00:14:48,839 --> 00:14:50,360 Okay. Then, 449 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,920 what do we need to know about the 450 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:56,200 apartment or the accessory? Uh 451 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:57,880 >> So, our objective there was really just 452 00:14:57,880 --> 00:14:58,960 >> Bryce, sorry. Could you turn on your 453 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,150 mic? Sorry. 454 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:03,320 » Better? 455 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:04,839 So, our goal there was just to maximize 456 00:15:04,839 --> 00:15:06,600 the use of the space. We also have kids 457 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,200 that are 14, 15, 16. I expect them to 458 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:10,600 probably, you know, get married in the 459 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:12,920 next 6, 8, 7 years, something like that, 460 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:14,760 and need a place to live, and I'd love 461 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:16,280 to have my kids help me run my business 462 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:16,880 and live there and 463 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:18,200 >> So, you're not going to stick your 14, 464 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:19,560 15-year-olds in there cuz that would be 465 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:20,760 a dream. I was just saying, "What a 466 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:21,640 great idea." 467 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:23,680 >> like to, depending on the day. 468 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,200 >> Yeah. Okay. So, you have no issue with 469 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:27,840 the the requirement that it be 470 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:29,080 owner-occupied. 471 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:29,520 >> No. 472 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:30,400 >> Okay. 473 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,480 Um probably likewise a a something to 474 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:34,880 consider for a condition. 475 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:36,560 >> What's the square footage up there? 476 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:38,520 In the apartment? 477 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:39,360 Like 700? 478 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:39,720 >> Yeah. 479 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:41,120 >> 700 square feet. It's a one-bedroom, 480 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:44,430 one-bath with a kitchen. 481 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:45,440 » Very likely going to be used for 482 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,440 storage, too, if there's not a family 483 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,080 member living there, so it's more or 484 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:50,160 less we have the room, how do we 485 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:51,840 maximize the space and put something 486 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:53,960 that could be useful. 487 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,400 >> Um okay. So, 488 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:57,600 I would say the only thing I can think 489 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,840 of is that we are constrained somewhat 490 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:03,000 by well, not somewhat, we are our our 491 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:04,120 the 492 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,520 arbiters, I suppose, not interpreters, 493 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:08,360 but the the gatekeepers of the Gateway 494 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,040 Historic District. Um I think my only 495 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:12,440 concern and something that we'll need to 496 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:16,200 chat about is the use of the metal 497 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,080 siding, I guess, for lack of better 498 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,080 term, and how that is consistent with I 499 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,040 mean, I think it looks good, and you 500 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:23,360 know, we're definitely looking for a 501 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,280 more traditional looks with the brick. 502 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:26,480 We've got a lot of brick. We like the 503 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,920 windows. Um one thing we'll have to just 504 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:30,680 discuss is 505 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,120 the use of that um 506 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,200 is that correct to call it metal siding? 507 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:35,920 >> Yeah. 508 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:37,200 >> Called ACM panels. 509 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:37,920 >> Is ACM panels? 510 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,280 >> Aluminum composite material. 511 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:48,030 >> Oh. 512 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,000 » Yes. Yes. 513 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:51,160 Is it the 514 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:53,920 Helman Hue, the the old car wash, and I 515 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,680 think the new gym? 516 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:58,600 It's very popular. Hospitals use it a 517 00:16:58,600 --> 00:16:59,191 lot. 518 00:16:59,191 --> 00:16:59,360 >> [clears throat] 519 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:02,640 >> And you might remember we 520 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:03,680 >> Is that what's on there, building? 521 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:04,319 >> Yes. 522 00:17:04,319 --> 00:17:06,600 >> Yeah. Okay. 523 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:07,040 All right. 524 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,120 >> You might remember we came and presented 525 00:17:09,120 --> 00:17:10,680 a kind of a preliminary thing about a 526 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:12,680 year ago, and we wanted to do a lot of 527 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:14,600 that, and you more or less said that 528 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:16,360 we'd like to see more natural materials, 529 00:17:16,360 --> 00:17:17,880 and so that's why we've come back to the 530 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:20,000 drawing board and done a lot more brick 531 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:20,480 and 532 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:21,800 >> Yeah. Yeah, it's a great difference. 533 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:23,120 Looks nice. 534 00:17:23,120 --> 00:17:25,120 >> meet in the middle and make that happen. 535 00:17:25,120 --> 00:17:28,960 >> Okay. Anybody have further questions for 536 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:30,120 uh Rick or Bryce? 537 00:17:30,120 --> 00:17:31,400 >> So, it's really not retail. You're not 538 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,480 selling a lot of guns and stuff. 539 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:34,400 >> I hate guns. 540 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:34,920 >> No. 541 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:35,960 >> Low volume. 542 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:37,800 >> They are They are selling guns. 543 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:38,720 >> We are We are selling 544 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:39,240 >> Yeah, but 545 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,360 >> All right. So, tell me the 546 00:17:41,360 --> 00:17:44,200 I know my or a really cool rifle or 547 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:45,240 versus a handgun. 548 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,720 >> Sure. So, the the primary business is 549 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:49,480 actually a shooting school. So, we're a 550 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:51,200 world-renowned provider of shooting 551 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,000 training. So, people come from all over 552 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:54,880 the world to Utah. We teach the classes 553 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,160 in Price at a range down there. But we 554 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:58,920 have a massive social media following, 555 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,160 and so people follow us for that and 556 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:02,880 then come out and take classes from us. 557 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:04,600 We bring a lot of business to the city 558 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:06,840 of Price, Utah, and and hopefully to 559 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,000 Alpine, too. But when students come out 560 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:10,560 and take the class and they like what 561 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:12,080 rental rifles they use and like the 562 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:13,720 things we offer, then they'll want to 563 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:15,360 order it. Usually, we're shipping that 564 00:18:15,360 --> 00:18:17,000 out across the country just to another 565 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,120 FFL somewhere else. But obviously, we do 566 00:18:19,120 --> 00:18:20,480 get a lot of people from Utah, and 567 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:22,280 they'll want to come and pick them up. 568 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:23,720 But there's not a gun range, and then 569 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:24,997 there's nothing It's just them 570 00:18:24,997 --> 00:18:26,120 [clears throat] coming and picking up 571 00:18:26,120 --> 00:18:27,920 the rifle and and leaving with it. 572 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:29,120 >> I mean, the classroom, 573 00:18:29,120 --> 00:18:31,880 no glass cabinets with guns all 574 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:32,920 displayed. 575 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:33,920 >> I mean, there'll definitely be guns 576 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:35,920 displayed. I mean, it is a retail shop. 577 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:37,280 That is the intention is to sell the 578 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,280 firearms, but again, it's not going to 579 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:40,240 be a 580 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:40,760 open you 581 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:41,880 >> pawn shop. 582 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:43,040 >> Yeah, it's not a pawn shop by any 583 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:44,960 stretch. Yeah, generally, our rifles are 584 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:46,400 going to be Someone's going to walk out 585 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:47,640 of there spending five to twenty 586 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:49,560 thousand dollars on a setup. 587 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:51,240 So, it's it's not 588 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,080 run-of-the-mill. Anybody strolls in 589 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:53,960 there and says, "I want to pick 590 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:55,720 something up." It's very much an Alpine 591 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:57,120 level type 592 00:18:57,120 --> 00:19:01,510 purchase. 593 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,040 » Okay. Any further questions for the 594 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:04,760 applicants? Okay. Thank you, gentlemen. 595 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:05,800 Appreciate it. 596 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:07,200 >> Thank you. 597 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,000 >> Um okay. Does anybody have any follow-up 598 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,400 questions for Cayden? 599 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:13,040 If not, let's go ahead and open for 600 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:17,230 discussion. 601 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:18,800 » Well, I think it looks good. 602 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:19,120 >> Okay. 603 00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:22,350 >> It's kind of good. 604 00:19:22,360 --> 00:19:25,520 » You You You really cannot hear you on on 605 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:26,280 YouTube. 606 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:27,280 >> YouTube. 607 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:27,880 >> Yeah. 608 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:29,600 >> It looks really good. 609 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:30,498 >> Okay. 610 00:19:30,498 --> 00:19:30,720 >> [laughter] 611 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:31,960 >> Thank you, Sue's. 612 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:33,800 You don't necessarily love the product, 613 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:34,840 but you like the building. 614 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:38,280 >> Well, I can see if it if it's functional 615 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,520 like in resist probably resist rust. I 616 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,080 mean, I'm sure this is a new 617 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:44,720 metal that's being fabricated for 618 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:46,360 weather and and stuff like that. 619 00:19:46,360 --> 00:19:47,280 Probably really 620 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:47,600 >> Yeah. 621 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:48,760 >> much better than 622 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:49,840 >> Yeah, and and 623 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:51,120 >> some of the things that are out there, I 624 00:19:51,120 --> 00:19:53,000 think even stucco, but that's just a 625 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:54,520 personal opinion. I just think it looks 626 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,040 so good with the brick in the dark. But, 627 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:03,760 um we were pretty picky about those materials we kind of settled on. But, this is in 628 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:05,280 other places. 629 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:06,920 So, we have to remember that, too. 630 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:07,600 >> This is what? 631 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:08,960 >> It is in other places. 632 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:09,680 >> On Main Street? 633 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:11,480 >> Yeah. On Main Street. 634 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,280 >> Yeah, and and it's also true as we've 635 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,760 looked at a lot of the more kind of 636 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:17,240 I mean, traditional materials in a 637 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,000 modern building, a lot of them do 638 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:20,400 incorporate the 639 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:20,960 >> Mhm. 640 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:22,120 >> um 641 00:20:22,120 --> 00:20:24,920 the the a aluminum ACM, aluminum 642 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:26,720 composite material. You know what? The 643 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:28,040 acronym makes sense if I know what it 644 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:29,600 stands for. So, all right, the ACM 645 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,640 material. I mean, it is in a lot of the 646 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:33,400 newer buildings using traditional red 647 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,000 brick and awnings and other things that 648 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,280 we've looked at that we, you know, think 649 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,600 would look good in the future. So, 650 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,320 >> um Okay. Thank you, Sue's. 651 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:42,000 >> Mhm. 652 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:43,480 >> So, just confirming there's not a 653 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:45,360 shooting range in the building? It's 654 00:20:45,360 --> 00:20:46,160 just retail. 655 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,080 >> It's too long range. 656 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:49,800 >> The building's not big enough. 657 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:51,160 >> The building wouldn't last very long. 658 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:52,040 >> Yeah, I was going to say that. 659 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:53,360 >> That's what I learned in that school. I 660 00:20:53,360 --> 00:20:54,840 learned about [laughter] guns. Learned 661 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,200 about that. That's cool. 662 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:58,760 >> I I have a question about the rendering 663 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,280 here. The 664 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,120 lengthwise road is actually 200 North. 665 00:21:04,120 --> 00:21:04,920 Is that right? 666 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:05,480 >> Yes. 667 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:06,240 >> Yeah. 668 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,280 >> That's correct. Yeah. 669 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,320 >> So, in the renderings for 670 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,000 >> pretty accurate with the colors and 671 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,000 everything. It's Okay. 672 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:14,880 >> Looks good. 673 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:16,960 >> Yeah, as you come up Main Street to 200 674 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,680 North, turn left. I I John, you drove right past it, I 675 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,800 think, cuz I pulled it I I turned right right after you. So, we drove 676 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,440 right past it. Right next to the kind of 677 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,240 the cabin on the corner. 678 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:28,600 Or the the cabin type home on the 679 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:29,640 corner. 680 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:30,364 >> Oh. 681 00:21:30,364 --> 00:21:34,270 >> [laughter] 682 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,680 » Oh, oh, you're going to have some Okay. 683 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,320 I just wanted to I thought you 684 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,360 >> Um yeah, I I don't want to put words in 685 00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:42,880 the applicant's mouth, but with respect 686 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,280 to traffic concerns, I think it's very 687 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:46,960 low volume. 688 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:48,480 Probably 689 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:49,640 I don't know if it's quite appointment 690 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,960 only, but almost appointment only sales. 691 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:57,040 Um I I I don't I would just 692 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:58,480 I mean, I suppose we could have the 693 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,240 applicants come up and and um 694 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:02,760 address the traffic issue. Your thoughts 695 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:06,510 on traffic? 696 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,360 It is worth asking the question. 697 00:22:08,360 --> 00:22:10,320 >> Yeah, absolutely. So, 698 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:11,240 I should have looked up the numbers 699 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:12,520 before I came down here, but I would say 700 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,440 in a given month 701 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,640 I might have a dozen people come by, 702 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,120 if that. Um 703 00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:20,600 and they're there for 704 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,440 usually for 15 minutes to pick something 705 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,200 up, sometimes longer to chat about 706 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,000 things. So, yeah, I mean, traffic is 707 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,240 shouldn't be a concern. I'm doing this 708 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,200 out of my cul-de-sac in my home right 709 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,760 now, and my neighbors have no complaints 710 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,560 or issues with it. So, my goal is not to 711 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,200 have a huge high volume. If anything, 712 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,520 I'd like online to be the prominent side 713 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:39,960 of it. I don't want to be there all day 714 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,720 long. I do software sales, and I teach 715 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,680 people how to shoot long range. I I 716 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,480 really don't want to sit there all the 717 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:46,120 time. It's really 718 00:22:46,120 --> 00:22:47,520 >> Well, I know my cousin's a talker. If he 719 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,480 shows up, he will be there all day long 720 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:49,800 with you. 721 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:51,960 >> That's fine. It's just 722 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,040 >> Okay. 723 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,640 >> As far as the parking, the sidewalk, are 724 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,440 you that whole area will be open to the 725 00:22:58,440 --> 00:22:59,880 street? 726 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:01,400 >> I I that's the idea. 727 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,640 >> There won't be any buffer. The parking 728 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,040 lot will dump completely onto the street 729 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:07,720 and the sidewalk will end for that full 730 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,430 span. 731 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,120 » That is how it's designed right now, 732 00:23:13,120 --> 00:23:14,880 because the parking is just in the front 733 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,720 right there. So, the sidewalk will go 734 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,080 through. 735 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,600 But, you know, yeah. But, it will be 736 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,280 just connected to the street. 737 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:24,560 >> Well, if you go back to the last 738 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,760 rendering, it ends 739 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:27,920 >> It had a little 740 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:29,480 >> in a circle. 741 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,520 >> median the strip, but I don't think 742 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:32,040 that's 743 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,640 >> It will have to end in a in a low down, 744 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:36,440 right? A walk down? What do you call 745 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:36,640 that? A ramp? 746 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,000 >> Yes. Yes. A ramp. Yes. 747 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:38,880 >> It will really end in a ramp. 748 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:39,520 >> Yes. 749 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,680 >> Not this rendering here. 750 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,280 >> Yeah, that's probably not. 751 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:44,920 >> Both sides will be ramped. 752 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,000 >> Uh yeah, so the sidewalk from the 753 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,440 driveway side would just ramp down into 754 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,800 the asphalt there. And that little 755 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,440 pinnacle comes out right there, and 756 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,640 that's kind of showed on the you know, 757 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,240 where that would be tied together right 758 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,470 there. 759 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,000 So, both sidewalks will ramp down into 760 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,246 that parking. 761 00:24:06,256 --> 00:24:06,520 » [clears throat] 762 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,360 >> Yeah, if I under- stand the site plan 763 00:24:08,360 --> 00:24:09,840 correctly, Commissioner, I think it's 764 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:11,760 pretty similar to our parking out here 765 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,560 in front of City Hall. 766 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:17,270 I think that's how it will be. 767 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:21,030 » So, no sidewalk. 768 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:22,560 Do we have a sidewalk out here? I can't 769 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:23,560 even remember right now. 770 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:24,920 >> No. 771 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:26,720 >> With the sidewalk though, so better than 772 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:31,030 we have out here. 773 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,080 » I'm I'm hearing two two different things 774 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,160 here. You're saying no sidewalk, 775 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:37,800 that it's ramping down on both sides 776 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:39,640 going into the parking lot. 777 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:40,760 Or you're going to carry a sidewalk 778 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:41,640 across? 779 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,000 >> Well, so the sidewalk over there right 780 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,560 now, there is a curve 781 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,040 that goes, you know, to to the sidewalk. 782 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:49,480 >> Yeah. 783 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,520 >> But, to access the parking lot, we would 784 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,760 have to cut that. 785 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,680 You know, and make it uh uh, 786 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,600 approach, if you want to say 787 00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,440 >> city hall 788 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,880 has a concrete sidewalk that you 789 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,600 walk and drive over, right? 790 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,760 >> Yeah. So, that's what I was thinking. 791 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,960 >> You were thinking concrete all the way 792 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:11,360 in front of the asphalt. 793 00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:13,320 >> Yeah. So, you'd come up the ramp over 794 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:14,960 just kind of like a normal driveway. 795 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,000 You'd come up over the ramp onto the 796 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,800 cross the sidewalk and into the parking 797 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,240 lot. But, that sidewalk with the back 798 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:22,480 side of the parking lot would be the 799 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,600 same level as the sidewalk. 800 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:25,920 >> That's fine. 801 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:27,800 >> Cuz it is There is a curb, yeah. You 802 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,960 know, from the sidewalk to the road, so. 803 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,560 >> Got it. 804 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:37,590 Okay. 805 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,000 thank you. 806 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,430 Appreciate it. 807 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,360 Okay, further discussion, concerns? 808 00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:46,280 Questions? 809 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:47,480 >> I mean, 810 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,160 here's my concern. 811 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,720 And that is what are we going to do with 812 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,680 the site plan? 813 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,680 And what are we going to allow and what 814 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,600 are we not going to allow? So, this 815 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,160 clearly is not something that we've 816 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:02,600 considered 817 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,440 even though it exists. So, are we going 818 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,440 to change the site plan and stick to 819 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:13,190 that or or what? So, that's my question. 820 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,320 » I'm sorry, we hadn't considered what? 821 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:16,520 Siding, is that what you're saying? 822 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,320 >> No, the the the site plan, the what 823 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:20,880 we've been talking about for the last 824 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,000 year 825 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,880 on materials. 826 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,160 ACM is not listed. 827 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:26,920 >> No, it's not. 828 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:27,920 >> Yeah. 829 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:33,160 And it and and especially the last month 830 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:34,880 we've had these discussions over and 831 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,760 over again about what we want. Now, we 832 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,360 could say, "Oh, it's on 200 North. It's 833 00:26:40,360 --> 00:26:43,000 off of Main Street, so we're not going 834 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,360 to consider it." But, 835 00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:47,520 that's that's an option, right? 836 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:48,920 >> Well, it's actually on Main Street. 837 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:50,280 Alpine Fitness Center is made out of the 838 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:51,200 same things. 839 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:56,560 >> That's correct, but this is not on Main Street. This is on 200 North. 840 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,560 It's just off of Main Street by one 841 00:26:58,560 --> 00:26:59,760 house. 842 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,440 >> But it's still Gateway Historic 843 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,200 District. 844 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:04,360 >> I think so. 845 00:27:04,360 --> 00:27:04,840 >> Correct. 846 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,000 >> I I don't I don't know how far east or 847 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,000 far or how far west 848 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,440 that Gateway Historic goes. 849 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,200 >> I believe it goes a few properties 850 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:16,000 further 851 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,200 >> What What's What's a few? 852 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:17,920 >> from this one? 853 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:19,480 >> Two, three, tens? 854 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:20,880 >> No. 855 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,200 I think max three. 856 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:22,720 >> Three? 857 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,320 >> Yeah. Might be less. 858 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,320 >> Okay. Well, we need to know. 859 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:26,840 >> Yeah. 860 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:27,360 >> And 861 00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:30,120 >> Well, it would be allowable anyway. 862 00:27:30,120 --> 00:27:32,000 Long as it's in the commercial district. 863 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:32,720 >> You're saying two different things. 864 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,240 >> Yes. 865 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:35,760 >> You're saying that it's not part of the 866 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,720 commercial district ACM? 867 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,480 With the site plan, the new historic 868 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:40,680 gateway. 869 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:41,160 >> Me? 870 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:41,400 >> Yeah. 871 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,960 >> Yes, correct. That is That is not been 872 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,640 something that we have considered in the 873 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:46,920 last year. 874 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:47,720 >> True. 875 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:52,360 >> Okay. That's That's where I'm saying we have a dilemma. We continue to have a 876 00:27:52,360 --> 00:27:53,760 dilemma. 877 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:54,480 So 878 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,240 >> Yeah, so I think So, let me just just 879 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:57,680 summarize what you're saying is that I 880 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:02,800 think we're all going to agree that this site plan in front of us is within 881 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,760 the Gateway Historic District. 882 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,680 >> I I want to ask I Okay. 883 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:07,040 >> It is. 884 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:07,480 >> Correct. 885 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:07,800 >> Okay. 886 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,440 >> Correct, Hayden? 887 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:09,840 >> Yes. 888 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:10,480 >> It is. All right. 889 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:10,920 >> Okay. 890 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,200 >> So, it is subject to the 891 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:15,680 design standards. 892 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,640 Right? Of the Gateway Historic District 893 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:18,720 Design Guidelines. 894 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,640 >> Yes. 895 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,400 >> We do state that the use of stone, 896 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,920 brick, wood, or stucco is encouraged for 897 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,520 use as a primary exterior material. 898 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,480 We do not have that We do not have a 899 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,600 within those design standards 900 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,360 ACM or metal siding. 901 00:28:35,360 --> 00:28:38,280 It is also true that projects from the 902 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,600 past, including 903 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,240 the fitness center, 904 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:44,634 um 905 00:28:44,634 --> 00:28:45,440 >> [clears throat] 906 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,680 >> do have some version of 907 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,960 some form of a of a metal siding, 908 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,720 whether it's ACM or whatever type of 909 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:53,600 metal siding. 910 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,114 >> Correct. 911 00:28:55,114 --> 00:28:57,080 >> [clears throat] 912 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,320 >> So, all those things are true. 913 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,760 >> And again, it's the it's the dilemma. 914 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,280 >> It's We're not ex- The guidelines do not 915 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,480 specify these are the only materials. 916 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:08,840 >> Right. We we can't approve them. 917 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,600 >> They're the primary materials, and it 918 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,880 further states that other alternatives 919 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,040 >> Correct. 920 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:15,720 >> Right. 921 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,600 >> Well, let's say you have okay. So, under 922 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:18,960 the current guidelines, right? 923 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,920 Innovative use of other materials that 924 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,920 mimic the primary exterior materials 925 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,400 listed may be considered, okay? 926 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:28,800 >> Which this does not. 927 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,480 >> Which does not, right? Because we do not 928 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,840 have a primary primary material that is 929 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:33,360 metal. 930 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:34,000 >> Correct. 931 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,880 >> Okay. So, Jeff's correct about that. I 932 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,880 would also say, right? Or I know 933 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,480 for example, we had a 934 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,600 application in front of us just a couple 935 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:46,880 of weeks ago 936 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:47,240 >> Yep. 937 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,480 >> where we were discouraging the use of 938 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,280 for example that was painted ceramic 939 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:58,110 siding, right? Which is 940 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,160 not anywhere delineated in the design 941 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:00,880 standards. 942 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:01,520 >> Correct. 943 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,560 >> Um and also we were 944 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:05,855 um 945 00:30:05,855 --> 00:30:06,840 >> [clears throat] 946 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,080 >> not enthusiastic about 947 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,760 faux wood siding or synthetic wood 948 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,560 siding, right? Even though 949 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,520 you know, that that's under bullet point 950 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,160 B or second bullet point, innovative use 951 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:19,960 of other materials that mimic the 952 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,400 primary exterior materials like wood 953 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,815 listed may be considered. So, 954 00:30:26,815 --> 00:30:27,480 >> [clears throat and cough] 955 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,760 >> Jeff is not wrong when he indicates that 956 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,400 there is nothing in our gateway historic 957 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,920 district design standards that allow 958 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,840 the proposed ACM material. 959 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,480 >> But it's not 960 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:40,760 Would you consider it a primary 961 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,680 material? Cuz I mean, the brick is like 962 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,040 2/3 or 3/4 of the building. 963 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,640 >> Brick is not 3/4 of the building. Put it 964 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:48,400 Put up the thing again. 965 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:49,680 >> Stucco and the brick it is. 966 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:50,880 >> Yeah, okay. 967 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,360 Yes. 968 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:53,040 >> I don't know. 969 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,190 >> So, that's my question. 970 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:57,440 I have one for you. 971 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:58,320 >> Well, yeah. 972 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,840 >> mimic versus complement? 973 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:01,360 >> I'm sorry? 974 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,960 >> It really complements those those things 975 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,440 we have put in. I think it complements 976 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,440 it, but mimic it's 977 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:09,720 >> I'm not saying that this is not 978 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,080 beautiful. That's not what I'm saying. 979 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,920 we are continue to have an 980 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,160 issue 981 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,080 as a planning commission. 982 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,240 And it's like what are we What standard 983 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,920 are we going to have in the main in the 984 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,520 Gateway Historic District? 985 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:31,000 And this This is not what we've talked about the last year. 986 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,840 So, I'm like, okay, are we going to Are 987 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,480 we going to start the discussions all 988 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,720 over? 989 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,310 Or not? 990 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,320 I mean that That's the struggle. And 991 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,960 then and then and then we have City 992 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,680 Council and I'm sure there's the City 993 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,000 Council members that are listening 994 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,600 tonight. And we we've gone round and 995 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,200 round this last 6 weeks with the fire 996 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,520 station. 997 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,720 And And so, I'm like, okay, well, what 998 00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,800 are we going to do? Is this beautiful? 999 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,320 Yes, it's beautiful. 1000 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,640 And And And do we want to take a poll of 1001 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,040 the whole city and go, is this what we want? Well, that's what 1002 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,600 we've been working on for 2 years. 1003 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,400 This is not 1004 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,000 This In my understanding, this is not 1005 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,480 what all of the money and time and 1006 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,320 effort has come to say, this is what we 1007 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:22,760 want 1008 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,720 Main Street to look like. 1009 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,360 Is it beautiful? Yeah, but that's But 1010 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:28,920 that's not, you know, and you can go, 1011 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:30,480 well, what about Alpine Fitness? Yeah, 1012 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,360 well, that happened before we started 1013 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:37,600 this 3-year or 2 and 1/2 year process. 1014 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,760 >> It was it was approved with the same 1015 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,480 design guidelines that we're looking at 1016 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,560 today, which is all we can do. 1017 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:44,560 >> Right. 1018 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:44,840 Yeah. 1019 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,000 >> And and we're still waiting for the 1020 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:47,960 >> I I I agree. 1021 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,400 >> small 1022 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,280 >> put into ordinance what we want. 1023 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:53,520 >> Yeah, I agree. 1024 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,640 >> know why you're dying on your hill here. 1025 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:01,470 >> Because because it's like 1026 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,000 in my opinion, we're like, "Okay, we're 1027 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,480 just going to keep going down down this 1028 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:08,840 path 1029 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,160 against what we've tried to work through 1030 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,520 the last 2 and 1/2 years." That's what 1031 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,080 I'm That's And And we did that with the 1032 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,080 fire station. 1033 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,360 And, you know, and one could argue that 1034 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,080 what we ended up with number two was 1035 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,640 worse than what we started with. 1036 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,040 You could argue that. 1037 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,560 But, again, we were trying and we spent 1038 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,240 so much effort 1039 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:39,280 to say, "Okay, we want to we want this 1040 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,160 look, you know?" And we've given this 1041 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,080 name of Utah historic. Well, that this 1042 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,240 definitely is not Utah historic. 1043 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:47,960 It 1044 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,480 unless someone wants to redefine Utah 1045 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,800 historic for me. All right? So, I'm not 1046 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,080 saying it's not beautiful. 1047 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,910 But, 1048 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,000 you know, we'll we could just throw out 1049 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,000 every all the effort and just say, 1050 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,680 "Okay, we want stuff that looks like 1051 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,440 Alpine Fitness Center and this building. 1052 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,520 That's what we want on Main Street." We 1053 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,600 could do that. But, that go to me that 1054 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:12,960 goes against 1055 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,840 all of the effort that's happened in the 1056 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,240 last 2 and 1/2 years. 1057 00:34:17,240 --> 00:34:19,840 >> So, um just so so a little additional 1058 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,080 color, and this is again the fire 1059 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,440 station's a bit of anomaly for for 1060 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,399 reasons that that we kind of know, 1061 00:34:27,399 --> 00:34:30,679 right? For example, planning commission 1062 00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:32,000 came in came in front of us late in the 1063 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,919 game. 1064 00:34:33,919 --> 00:34:35,120 And you know, we won't say much more 1065 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:36,320 about that. 1066 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,360 And [clears throat] we also know we're 1067 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,600 kind of in a transition from the current 1068 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,720 guidelines which 1069 00:34:42,720 --> 00:34:44,520 we need to apply. 1070 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,159 And 1071 00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:47,480 future 1072 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,360 recommendations that we have discussed. 1073 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,399 For example, last time that that I think 1074 00:34:52,399 --> 00:34:53,639 you weren't at I think you were out of 1075 00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:55,159 town for the last meeting. 1076 00:34:55,159 --> 00:34:57,000 So um 1077 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,800 during the just 1078 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,600 communications portion, right? I took 1079 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,800 about 15 minutes and just had a little 1080 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,520 discussion [clears throat] over 1081 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:06,640 you know 1082 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,680 what do we want buildings to look like 1083 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,440 in the future, right? Again, to 1084 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:11,880 understand that right right now we're 1085 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,760 applying current guidelines. 1086 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,640 We're in the process of working on 1087 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,040 future architectural guidelines for the 1088 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,440 Gateway Historic District. Um 1089 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,600 I brought pictures and showed examples 1090 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:25,920 of 1091 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:27,160 buildings that we thought were 1092 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,040 attractive. For example, down in in 1093 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,720 Pleasant Grove along the whatever that 1094 00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:35,680 new drive is all the way down to 1095 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,000 Yeah, North North County Boulevard. 1096 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:38,680 Um 1097 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,480 those red brick buildings with black 1098 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,480 accents, some you know, what do you call 1099 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,680 them, John? Concrete lintels or whatever 1100 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,760 with with black metal overhangs, timber 1101 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,080 supports, dark 1102 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:52,360 fixtures that come out of the building. 1103 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,720 Very nice looking, right? 1104 00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:58,790 And 1105 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,680 just the name that we have come up with 1106 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,840 is you know, perhaps not you Utah 1107 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:04,640 traditional Utah historic. We're still 1108 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,440 working on that, right? So in other 1109 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:07,400 words, it's not going to necessarily 1110 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,680 look like a building that's 100 years 1111 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,760 old, but a 1112 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,520 bit of a modern interpretation of with 1113 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,080 those types of materials, right? Red 1114 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:16,160 brick, 1115 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,640 black framed rectangular windows, 1116 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,560 some metal accents, overhangs, 1117 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,760 those types of things with then you 1118 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,160 know, again, so of the architectural 1119 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:31,950 um 1120 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,480 accents that that we've talked about. 1121 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,080 Um which 1122 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:37,600 um 1123 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,600 this building 1124 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:40,640 But we have but one thing we haven't 1125 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,640 really talked about is this metal 1126 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,800 siding, right? Is that something that 1127 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,200 you know, it's it has happened in Alpine in the 1128 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:49,440 past. 1129 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,800 It's not necessarily in the current 1130 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,320 architectural guidelines. It may or may 1131 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,280 not be 1132 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,200 I would say it wouldn't be out of 1133 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,160 character if 1134 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,040 we ended up with 1135 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:03,760 amendments to the small area plan that 1136 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,280 we have proposed and then we took those 1137 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,440 amendments and implemented them as we 1138 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,720 amended the guidelines and then 1139 00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:13,160 recommended to city council, right? So, 1140 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,200 but that's a give-and-take process. I 1141 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:16,800 don't know where that's ending up 1142 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,760 either, right? It's 1143 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,680 you know 1144 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,760 forward-looking Utah traditional if I 1145 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,400 don't I don't we you know, we're still 1146 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:25,480 what we're still struggling with all 1147 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,120 that. But but what we do you know, what 1148 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:28,360 we do have is what's right in front of 1149 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,840 us. So, um 1150 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,840 I guess it comes down to just a 1151 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,680 of 1152 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:37,960 >> personal preference? 1153 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,360 >> Well, not really personal preference 1154 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:40,880 because I I you know, I mean I mean I'm 1155 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,360 not I'm I'm not insensitive to what 1156 00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:43,360 you're saying, right? I mean we talk 1157 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,880 about stone, brick, wood, or stucco. 1158 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,680 >> One thing that really 1159 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,520 was illuminating to me in our meeting on 1160 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:51,320 Wednesday 1161 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:51,920 >> Yeah. 1162 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:53,520 >> afternoon 1163 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,440 uh Chrissy Haneman 1164 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,640 said or I I I I threw something out. I 1165 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,080 said, we ought to create a table 1166 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:01,800 uh of all the kinds of little 1167 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,160 embellishments that we're looking for. 1168 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:04,520 >> Mhm. 1169 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,040 >> And we don't want every building to look 1170 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:07,480 the same. 1171 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,440 But if if 1172 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,080 each 1173 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,720 project that comes along can 1174 00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:16,840 create a scoreboard 1175 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,800 of or scorecard 1176 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,960 where they get 10 points by selecting 1177 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,040 certain elements. We can even 1178 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:26,400 put different point values on the 1179 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,040 elements. 1180 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:29,680 >> So that we have 1181 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,960 consistent elements presenting 1182 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:33,600 themselves, but they're not all looking 1183 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:34,680 the same. We're not trying to create a 1184 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:35,560 bunch of bungalows. 1185 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:36,880 >> Sure. Sure. 1186 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,760 >> Um and as I look at at what's before us, 1187 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,240 we have several of those kinds of 1188 00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:44,240 elements. We've got uh can you pull the 1189 00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:50,910 rendering back up? 1190 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:52,840 So we've we've got this 1191 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:53,760 uh 1192 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,520 canopy over the 1193 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,840 uh garage 1194 00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,200 with some supporting decorative 1195 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:00,920 elements. What's this vertical black 1196 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:02,080 thing? Is that a light fixture? 1197 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,360 >> That would be where the placement of the 1198 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,040 sign is going. 1199 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,160 >> Okay. It's a vertical sign. Okay. 1200 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,560 got it. 1201 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:13,840 All right. 1202 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,840 We've got the black windows, 1203 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:16,760 uh 1204 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,920 the vertical kind of framing on the 1205 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,120 windows. 1206 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,320 The We've got the black garage door, 1207 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,320 which is also kind of in that same 1208 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,960 historical look. So I would score this 1209 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,240 if we had this hypothetical table that 1210 00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:32,240 we were scoring from, I could throw 1211 00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:35,240 three to four elements that qualify 1212 00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:36,400 under this 1213 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,240 traditional Utah traditional 1214 00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:40,640 style. 1215 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,920 And and I would I would say that passes. 1216 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,840 If we if we end up in that kind of a 1217 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:47,840 framework. 1218 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,320 >> Sure. And then would the would Did you 1219 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,840 guys also talk about like, "Okay, and 1220 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,800 then there's an 1221 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,120 a second table that's like, we're not 1222 00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:58,680 going to have these things." 1223 00:39:58,680 --> 00:39:59,240 >> Yeah. 1224 00:39:59,240 --> 00:40:00,160 >> Okay. 1225 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,670 >> Yeah. 1226 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:03,800 » You know, whatever those are. I mean, 1227 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:04,280 I'm 1228 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:05,800 >> Yeah, I mean, this this is all, you 1229 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,600 know, not even wet clay, but it's 1230 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:09,400 >> Yeah. 1231 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,150 >> I 1232 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:13,880 » You go ahead. You go. 1233 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,240 >> I just think that the 1234 00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:19,480 large flat roof mixed in with the ACM 1235 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,760 panels is what's throwing it to very 1236 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,160 modern 1237 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,040 more warehouse look. 1238 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:26,960 I think it's that combo. If we go back 1239 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,360 to our design standards, there's really 1240 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:33,920 no flat roof completely flat like this 1241 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,080 that that doesn't have any kind of 1242 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,280 uh variation change grade you know in 1243 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,160 elevation 1244 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,240 in those pictures on our Gateway 1245 00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:46,240 Historic District. 1246 00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:48,520 >> Is Is the roof elevated it looks like 1247 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:49,760 where the glass is? 1248 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:50,480 >> Yeah, so that's all flat. 1249 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,760 >> It did it is like a standard 1250 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:53,720 >> That's a shed roof. 1251 00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:55,960 >> It's a shed to the back slants. 1252 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:57,640 >> So the flat roof is above the brick 1253 00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,320 above the garage door and above the 1254 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:01,760 apartment area that's kind of that 1255 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:02,760 recessed area. 1256 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:03,880 >> Yeah, but it slants. 1257 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,160 >> Everything else is a big slope with big 1258 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:07,040 overhangs. 1259 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,960 >> Yeah, it's slanting away to the back of 1260 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,480 the property instead of gabeling or 1261 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:13,640 >> But that is an element. 1262 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:14,360 >> elevation 1263 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:15,240 >> Um 1264 00:41:15,240 --> 00:41:17,560 >> It's a very modern element. 1265 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,440 >> But we talked about 1266 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,240 potential criteria as we revise the 1267 00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:25,920 ordinance to create relief from the in 1268 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,680 the facade showing different set you 1269 00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:29,960 know 1270 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:31,800 forward back kinds of 1271 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:32,640 >> Gives it dimension. 1272 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,200 >> Yeah, and and this accomplishes that as 1273 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,560 well. 1274 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,680 >> The reason for the flat roof was to try 1275 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,840 to keep the height of that building 1276 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,640 down over that brick because if that 1277 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,000 would have been a roof 1278 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,280 then we're up a lot higher at that 1279 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:47,720 point. 1280 00:41:47,720 --> 00:41:49,800 >> Remember the height. 1281 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,040 >> Uh that's the tallest point right there 1282 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:56,240 is that's about 21 ft 1283 00:41:56,240 --> 00:41:57,760 >> And by the time you put a peak on that 1284 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,240 that'd be 1285 00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:03,000 I mean if you listen to city council you 1286 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,080 know 1287 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,480 Nick Geraci's warehouse is facing the 1288 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,920 same questions. 1289 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:11,600 Yeah, we we tabled it last week. 1290 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:12,120 >> Yeah. 1291 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:13,160 >> Uh 1292 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,520 and they realized it's a bigger project, 1293 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,720 bring it back to something that would 1294 00:42:17,720 --> 00:42:18,520 be compliant. 1295 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,440 >> Yeah. And again, beautiful. I 1296 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,800 you know, Nick's not going to Nick Nick 1297 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,120 will put forth something that's 1298 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:26,360 beautiful. 1299 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,480 But again, it comes back to my question 1300 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,200 of what do we want? 1301 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,240 I mean, we're going to be held 1302 00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:35,400 responsible for decisions. And I mean, 1303 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,160 ultimately, it's City Council. So, we 1304 00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,760 could make a recommendation and then 1305 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,520 City Council go, "Ah, no. We're we're 1306 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,120 going to we're not going to do it or 1307 00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:47,120 we're going to do it." You know, they end up getting to have the last 1308 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:48,560 say. 1309 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,880 But I think we as a commission 1310 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,680 really need really need to try to be 1311 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:59,560 united in what we want this 1312 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,200 Main Street corridor to look like. 1313 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,000 >> Jeff, you're right. We've we've taken 1314 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,280 years years years to come up with a 1315 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:07,000 standard. 1316 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,360 >> Right. Right. You Yeah, you got to talk. 1317 00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,800 No, you cannot hear your I you cannot 1318 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:12,640 hear yourself on YouTube. 1319 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,280 >> So, we've taken years to come up with a 1320 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,280 standard. I I I really love what you're 1321 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:23,360 saying because we've it's nice to have something that's like here's what we take into 1322 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:24,760 consideration with all of these 1323 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,560 different things. With these different 1324 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:27,920 buildings coming in. 1325 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:29,120 So, I get what you're saying. Do we 1326 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,440 throw a lot of that out just because we, 1327 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,960 you know, the standard really has been 1328 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:39,200 established after a lot of work. 1329 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,760 So, I get what you're saying, but I can 1330 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:42,520 all 1331 00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,320 I also see that being something we 1332 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,600 probably didn't consider as being a very 1333 00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:52,390 weather tight element in our climate. 1334 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:53,600 And it does look good with what we've 1335 00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:54,640 talked about. 1336 00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,715 >> Okay, so hypothetical for you, right? Um 1337 00:43:57,715 --> 00:43:59,600 >> [clears throat] 1338 00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:03,120 >> we we had the 512 1339 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,200 project that was supposed to be that was 1340 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:06,080 supposed to be here tonight that was 1341 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:11,080 pulled. And it has or had elements of uh 1342 00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,840 painted ceramic siding, which obviously 1343 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,560 we don't have any here in the 1344 00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:19,600 guidelines. And also had um faux wood, 1345 00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:20,040 >> Fake wood. 1346 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,600 >> which is probably a a little closer, at 1347 00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,440 least in our guidelines, but we also you 1348 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,680 know, discourage that as it was also 1349 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,840 discussion piece in the fireplace I mean 1350 00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:31,720 the fireplace the fire station, right? 1351 00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:33,160 So, 1352 00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,680 I I mean, to to Jeff's 1353 00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,360 comment just about consistency in 1354 00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,120 applying the guidelines, 1355 00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,400 I mean, hey, that that's so I 1356 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:44,520 acknowledge you know, recognize the 1357 00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,520 problem. But so, 1358 00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,400 Jeff, just a just as a for example, if 1359 00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,240 you looked at this rendering right here 1360 00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:52,520 and you took out the, you know, I'm not 1361 00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:53,320 necessarily asking you to be an 1362 00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,080 architect, but apply the guidelines, uh 1363 00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,800 what would you replace the ACM with? 1364 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,280 Stucco? 1365 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:01,080 Stone? 1366 00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:02,560 >> Don't do stucco. 1367 00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:03,320 >> More brick? 1368 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:04,520 >> Probably brick. 1369 00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,040 >> All brick? 1370 00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,870 >> That's probably what I would do. 1371 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:15,520 Because the brick goes more to 1372 00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,040 the look that we've kind of tried to 1373 00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,120 get. 1374 00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:21,800 >> If you put brick in the main area where 1375 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,880 you have the two windows, but you kept 1376 00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:25,880 the ACM, which is the aluminum framing 1377 00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,240 that's kind of framing out the windows, 1378 00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:28,320 would you have a problem with that? 1379 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:29,760 >> No, I would not have a problem with 1380 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,080 that. 1381 00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,880 >> The the recommendation being what? 1382 00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:34,560 Say again. 1383 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,600 >> The area that's in the middle between 1384 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,480 the garage and uh retail shop, if that 1385 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,760 ACM was brick, 1386 00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,560 the question was, would you be fine with 1387 00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,880 the ACM that's surrounding the main 1388 00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,520 windows on the right-hand side of this 1389 00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:50,440 picture? 1390 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,200 And the answer was, no, I'd be fine with 1391 00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:56,870 it. 1392 00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:57,960 » I'd probably be more comfortable with 1393 00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:59,360 that personally trying to be consistent 1394 00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:00,800 with our guidelines. 1395 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:01,400 >> You what? 1396 00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:02,960 >> I would I would be more comfortable with 1397 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,440 that recommendation 1398 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:04,800 >> Yeah. 1399 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,360 >> that that Greg put out there. I would 1400 00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,600 It it's 1401 00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,560 Look, it's 1402 00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,400 tasteful and it's attractive as it as 1403 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,400 the rendering. It's not terribly 1404 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,720 consistent with our guidelines and it 1405 00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:21,440 >> It's so close. 1406 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,280 >> makes it very difficult 2 weeks from now 1407 00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,080 or 3 weeks from now when we have another 1408 00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:28,000 applicant before us 1409 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,400 and we are 1410 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,480 not consistently applying guidelines. 1411 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,520 So, I I think I'm 1412 00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,440 with probably with just personally with 1413 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,240 Greg and Jeff on that that if that 1414 00:46:39,240 --> 00:46:40,720 little area 1415 00:46:40,720 --> 00:46:41,840 uh were 1416 00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,360 brick as well instead of ACM 1417 00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,720 um and the rest of the project were you 1418 00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:49,800 know as the as shown in the rendering, I 1419 00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:51,000 think that's more consistent with our 1420 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:52,280 guidelines. 1421 00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:52,840 >> I would agree. 1422 00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,270 >> Cute little awning above there. 1423 00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:56,600 » Please. 1424 00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:57,920 >> Sure, please. 1425 00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,120 Help us out of this quagmire. 1426 00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,000 >> So, so when I designed it, the reason I 1427 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,120 went to the ACM is cuz around the 1428 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:05,800 windows 1429 00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:06,920 So, our first thought we were going to 1430 00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,120 use like a black wood siding. 1431 00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:11,480 And 1432 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,320 but I didn't like the little tiny pieces 1433 00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,120 going around the windows. 1434 00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,802 So, we could put black vertical siding 1435 00:47:18,802 --> 00:47:20,720 [snorts] in that center section. It'll 1436 00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:22,720 keep the same look 1437 00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:25,360 but it would be a wood siding. Not a not 1438 00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,000 a faux wood, a real, you know, cedar 1439 00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,880 wood siding that's stained black. 1440 00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:32,560 And then we could keep the ACM around 1441 00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,120 the windows because it's just the way it 1442 00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:35,920 basically looks like a whole commercial 1443 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:37,400 storefront 1444 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,920 right there with the metal windows. 1445 00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,520 And that would stick kind of into the 1446 00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,440 your guidelines. 1447 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,280 I think if we do brick, I my opinion 1448 00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:49,720 designing is that just going to look 1449 00:47:49,720 --> 00:47:50,200 like a 1450 00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:50,760 >> It's heavy. 1451 00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,360 >> It's not going to look as good. 1452 00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:53,480 >> Is Is that 1453 00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:54,520 >> I like it broken up. 1454 00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:59,560 >> Is that cedar siding what's on Mondella? 1455 00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:00,360 There's a 1456 00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:04,360 small amount of on Mondella that has the 1457 00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,400 I don't know what the wood is though. 1458 00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,680 It's the wood that has the little piece 1459 00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:09,720 in between it. 1460 00:48:09,720 --> 00:48:10,760 >> Well, that's a board and batten. That's 1461 00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:12,960 board and batten. I've got a sample of 1462 00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:14,280 the black siding in my truck that I 1463 00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:15,640 forgot to bring in. If you give me a 1464 00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:17,240 minute, I'll run out there and bring it 1465 00:48:17,240 --> 00:48:17,520 in. 1466 00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,560 >> I think Mondella has some board and 1467 00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:23,240 batten in in the upper 1468 00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:24,600 kind of upper eve area. 1469 00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,200 >> What the point he's making is if he puts 1470 00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:27,440 wood in there that it does meet the 1471 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,200 city's historic standard. 1472 00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:29,800 >> It does. 1473 00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:30,680 >> Does 1474 00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:31,840 >> Okay. 1475 00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,160 >> Does is the wood as durable? I mean, 1476 00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:35,680 cuz I see a lot of 1477 00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,760 you know, siding things that 1478 00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:39,400 look pretty bad if you don't maintain 1479 00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:39,640 them. 1480 00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:40,600 >> Well. 1481 00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:46,400 >> That's that's an argument that ACM is a great product. I own a company 1482 00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,120 that fabricates ACM and I think it's a 1483 00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:50,000 great product. All I can say. 1484 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,440 >> And and and it may be it may be a 1485 00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,040 material that we consider future for the 1486 00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,240 future, but it is 1487 00:48:59,240 --> 00:49:00,800 not a material currently in our 1488 00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:01,840 guidelines. 1489 00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,000 >> Being consistent is a big deal right 1490 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,760 now. Jeff, you're right. 1491 00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:08,280 What's going on? 1492 00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,480 >> Where are you thinking 1493 00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,800 Michelle on Mondella? 1494 00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,320 >> As I drove past it tonight, 1495 00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,840 there's some 1496 00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:20,480 I just saw it. 1497 00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,080 >> I mean, it's basically stucco and stone. 1498 00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,800 >> See that top layer where there's black. 1499 00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,400 >> Oh, on at the very Well, on the roof? 1500 00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:29,840 >> Near the roof. 1501 00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,040 There's black up there. 1502 00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,560 >> What at the very top of the chimney? 1503 00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,800 >> Yeah, near the the top. Well, everyone 1504 00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:37,320 has a different look. It was on an 1505 00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,400 interior one. 1506 00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:44,230 You've got a swing into the 1507 00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:45,520 Are you on the 1508 00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:46,880 >> Yeah, I'm just looking at it. 1509 00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:48,040 >> Yeah. 1510 00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:49,800 >> I'll say nothing and won't say anymore, 1511 00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,200 but as I just listened, and ACM is not 1512 00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,160 on the excluded list unless I missed 1513 00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,320 that. I heard an excluded list and I did 1514 00:49:56,320 --> 00:50:00,150 not hear ACM. 1515 00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,310 » We didn't know about it. 1516 00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:05,720 Let me see that. 1517 00:50:05,720 --> 00:50:07,240 >> Yeah, we don't really have an excluded 1518 00:50:07,240 --> 00:50:07,360 list. 1519 00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:08,800 >> Yeah, there isn't I was just cuz there 1520 00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,160 really isn't an excluded list. It just 1521 00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:11,560 says 1522 00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:12,600 >> future ordinances. 1523 00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:13,360 >> Yeah, yeah. 1524 00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,120 >> It has a primary setback rate and then 1525 00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:17,480 Yeah, I mean we redesigned the entire 1526 00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,160 building based on the last meeting we 1527 00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,240 had where the same material was shot 1528 00:50:21,240 --> 00:50:23,400 down then as well. So, we pretty much 1529 00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:24,400 went from 1530 00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,480 flip-flopped, right? We've gone all 1531 00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:27,800 brick even though that wasn't 1532 00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:28,720 necessarily what we wanted, you know, 1533 00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:30,840 brick and stucco with just a little bit 1534 00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:32,800 of what we wanted. The other comment I 1535 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,400 would make is you mentioned the 1536 00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,200 buildings down on Pleasant Run Boulevard 1537 00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:37,760 and down towards the play at the town 1538 00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,000 that very that same look. Also, over by 1539 00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:41,800 the Walmart in Cedar Hills. That's 1540 00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:42,600 exactly what we had. 1541 00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:43,320 >> ACM. 1542 00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:44,000 >> Inspiration. 1543 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,240 >> That was literally the inspiration 1544 00:50:45,240 --> 00:50:46,640 photos we sent. So, we're literally 1545 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,400 trying to go for that very traditional 1546 00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,840 red brick, old glass look with just 1547 00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:53,120 a touch of 1548 00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:54,440 modern to make it look like a new 1549 00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,080 building and not an old 1550 00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:57,080 brick fortress. 1551 00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:58,360 >> Right. 1552 00:50:58,360 --> 00:50:59,760 >> Meant to have a beautiful aesthetic 1553 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:01,760 value that it really fits with the 1554 00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:03,440 aesthetic of Alpine. It's a beautiful 1555 00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,440 high-end community. 1556 00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:10,510 So, how was that then? 1557 00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,990 » I don't think that even 1558 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:14,640 » Mhm? 1559 00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:15,440 >> I don't know what we're going to do for 1560 00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:20,070 now. 1561 00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:30,190 Okay. 1562 00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,280 » Mr. Chairman, does the code say that it 1563 00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,520 can assimilate an approved material? 1564 00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,200 Because ACM, I believe, can have 1565 00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,440 multiple exterior 1566 00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,560 looks. So, you can get ACM so it looks 1567 00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:43,520 like wood. 1568 00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,640 >> Yeah, they showed us that a year ago. 1569 00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,480 They brought in the ACM that looked like 1570 00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,160 wood. I remember we 1571 00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,320 >> Oh, that's right. That was 1572 00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:52,840 >> We said no. 1573 00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:53,280 to the 1574 00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:54,960 >> It wasn't It wasn't attractive. It It 1575 00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:55,800 looked like siding. 1576 00:51:55,800 --> 00:52:11,790 >> It Yeah. 1577 00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,556 » What are you circling? 1578 00:52:13,556 --> 00:52:15,320 >> [laughter] 1579 00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,960 >> Underline. 1580 00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:19,160 >> Exclamation mark. 1581 00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:19,960 >> Yeah. 1582 00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:21,480 >> Highlighter. 1583 00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,440 >> If I could make one more comment, I 1584 00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,440 mean, we need to do 1585 00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,440 vertical wood paneling, 1586 00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,040 I think it was looking exactly like the 1587 00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:32,960 ACM. It just wear out and fade and 1588 00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:33,720 >> The maintenance. 1589 00:52:33,720 --> 00:52:34,840 >> maintenance, whereas 1590 00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:35,880 >> Oh, sure. 1591 00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:40,350 >> It's true. 1592 00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,440 » That's kind of 20-year guarantee stain 1593 00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:43,320 on 1594 00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,280 the stuff. 1595 00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:46,840 That is That is solid wood. 1596 00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:48,520 >> Yeah. 1597 00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,880 there is a maintenance problem. 1598 00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:51,560 I hate maintenance. 1599 00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:51,760 >> good. 1600 00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:53,320 >> Does it smell The ACM doesn't smell like 1601 00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:54,821 that. 1602 00:52:54,821 --> 00:52:55,320 >> [laughter] 1603 00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:56,720 >> Smells like Is that treated wood? 1604 00:52:56,720 --> 00:52:58,040 >> Like a hamster cage. 1605 00:52:58,040 --> 00:52:59,680 >> That's actually two pieces of southern 1606 00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,680 pine that doesn't have knots. It's 1607 00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,750 grade one, so 1608 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,430 Yeah. 1609 00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:10,160 What? 1610 00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:11,360 >> We're checking these out for you. 1611 00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:15,270 >> Oh. 1612 00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:21,190 » Thanks a lot. 1613 00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:22,440 » You want to see this? 1614 00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:23,280 >> Yeah. 1615 00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:24,200 >> You want to touch it? 1616 00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,360 >> I see I Yeah, it's awesome. It's just a 1617 00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,800 lot of maintenance. 1618 00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:29,960 Sorry, Jeff, but I see that as 1619 00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,830 maintenance. 1620 00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:33,240 Thank you. 1621 00:53:33,240 --> 00:53:34,440 >> me to take it off your hands? 1622 00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:35,720 >> Yeah. 1623 00:53:35,720 --> 00:53:37,000 >> Thanks for bring Thanks for bringing 1624 00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:37,400 that. 1625 00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:38,640 >> out back. 1626 00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,040 Not getting hit. I know. 1627 00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:41,982 Oh. 1628 00:53:41,982 --> 00:53:42,800 >> [laughter] 1629 00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,000 >> And then, sorry from the traffic 1630 00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,550 tonight. 1631 00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:48,840 » Okay. 1632 00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:50,640 Yep, go ahead. 1633 00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,040 >> Stand in front of the first row. 1634 00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,120 >> I held that vertically. 1635 00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,230 >> I get it right there. 1636 00:53:58,240 --> 00:54:00,680 » So you see that little bit of help. 1637 00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:02,640 On the vertical side. 1638 00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:04,840 >> That looks to me 1639 00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:06,880 like the ACM will 1640 00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:07,400 >> Yeah. 1641 00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:08,560 that's similar to that. 1642 00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:10,480 >> You can make the ACM gaps bigger or 1643 00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:11,600 smaller. 1644 00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,800 You can make the gaps whatever you want. 1645 00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:15,960 >> I don't think you're going to tell a 1646 00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:16,880 difference. 1647 00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:18,480 >> Not from a distance. You won't tell 1648 00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:18,800 anything. 1649 00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,760 >> But then again, if 1650 00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:21,880 you know, it's the letter of the law, 1651 00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,160 then I mean, maybe we should you know. 1652 00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,600 Well, okay. Two things are true, right? 1653 00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,560 Let me go through guidelines real quick. 1654 00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:31,590 Cuz this is 1655 00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:33,080 what we're doing our best to apply. 1656 00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:34,440 >> Yeah. 1657 00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,000 >> Guidelines, new developments should 1658 00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,200 mimic details of older buildings, 1659 00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,120 use similar materials, 1660 00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,600 make mundane uses look good, include 1661 00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,360 design features on blank walls, okay? 1662 00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,640 So, those are guidelines as to new 1663 00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,067 developments. 1664 00:54:52,067 --> 00:54:55,990 >> [clears throat] 1665 00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,680 » And then, as we've stated, 1666 00:54:58,680 --> 00:54:59,928 um 1667 00:54:59,928 --> 00:54:59,960 >> [clears throat] 1668 00:54:59,960 --> 00:55:01,920 >> again, these guidelines predate us, but 1669 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:03,200 they are what we do our best to 1670 00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:04,400 interpret. 1671 00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,680 The use of stone, brick, wood, or stucco 1672 00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:10,000 is encouraged, as circled by my friend 1673 00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:11,440 Mr. Butterfield, 1674 00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,680 is encouraged for use as the primary 1675 00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:15,920 exterior material. 1676 00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:17,400 Innovative use of other materials that 1677 00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:19,800 mimic the primary exterior materials 1678 00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:25,230 listed may be considered. 1679 00:55:25,240 --> 00:55:27,960 » Okay, when those were given to us, 1680 00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,440 this ACM probably wasn't on the market. 1681 00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:33,400 So, we're going backwards as far as that 1682 00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:34,520 goes with 1683 00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:35,680 maintenance and all those different 1684 00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,440 things that are such a positive. Jeff, 1685 00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:39,360 do you agree? 1686 00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:40,920 >> I would I would agree. 1687 00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,160 >> So, the look to me 1688 00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,920 is the same, what we're going for, 1689 00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:47,680 but it's something that's going to be so 1690 00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,360 much weather better for weather, sun, 1691 00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,680 everything. No Nobody wants painted wood 1692 00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:55,000 on their commercial building. 1693 00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:56,720 I don't know. That's just me. And we're 1694 00:55:56,720 --> 00:55:58,960 trying so hard to honor that and to be 1695 00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:00,840 true to it, but if we're looking at 1696 00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:02,880 something that wasn't even on the market 1697 00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:04,360 when that was written, 1698 00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:04,920 >> And I 1699 00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,440 >> we're just like going backwards. 1700 00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:08,680 But, 1701 00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:09,840 >> I agree with Sue's 1702 00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:11,280 >> I want to have that what you're saying. 1703 00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:11,480 We got 1704 00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:13,640 >> Yeah, I mean, we There seems like 1705 00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:15,000 there's two issues. There There's a 1706 00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,320 material thing, right? And so, on the 1707 00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:19,640 material side, 1708 00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,160 I I'm really not against going, "Oh, 1709 00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:23,480 okay. 1710 00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:27,840 Maybe ACM is 1711 00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:33,840 a material that we can that we can accept." 1712 00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:35,680 We can We could do that. You know, we 1713 00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:37,720 could make a recommendation and and say 1714 00:56:37,720 --> 00:56:41,240 we want to we That That's That's one of 1715 00:56:41,240 --> 00:56:44,600 the issues. Is Is ACM going to be an 1716 00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:48,080 approved material, right? 1717 00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,520 Or not. But, the But, the And the second 1718 00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:52,880 is 1719 00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:56,400 okay, is this Is this the look that we 1720 00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,440 want? 1721 00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,280 So, that's That's That's what I'm 1722 00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,280 getting at here. There's two things. 1723 00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:03,720 Material 1724 00:57:03,720 --> 00:57:05,400 and is this the look? 1725 00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:07,654 >> Does this look too modern to you? 1726 00:57:07,654 --> 00:57:07,800 >> [clears throat] 1727 00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:09,840 >> Is that what you're Cuz those look a lot 1728 00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:11,120 like the pictures we looked at last 1729 00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:11,840 week. 1730 00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,520 >> Yeah. It It does It does look modern. 1731 00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:15,520 >> bugging you? 1732 00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:17,960 >> It's not that it's bugging me. 1733 00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:21,280 What's bugging me is 1734 00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,680 can we Can we come together as a 1735 00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:26,400 commission 1736 00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:30,160 and say this is the look that we want? 1737 00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,480 Maybe this is the look. Maybe Maybe the 1738 00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:36,950 look is Alpine Fitness and this. 1739 00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,760 But I don't I don't think that that's 1740 00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:44,600 what the community has asked for. 1741 00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,040 So that's that's what I'm saying and and 1742 00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,640 I could be wrong, you know, could be 1743 00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:52,320 you know, uh six to one. 1744 00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:54,880 And that yep, six people say, "Yep, this 1745 00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,120 is the look that the community has asked 1746 00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:59,360 for. So we're overriding you, Jeff." 1747 00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,040 >> think if I zoom in with something 1748 00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,200 similar, say somebody builds right here 1749 00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:03,440 and they see 1750 00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:05,440 >> Well, I know what's I I know what's next 1751 00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:11,120 to it. What's next to it? Right next door is the is the Pan's 1752 00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:12,280 Cabin. 1753 00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,280 Which is not any quarter close to this. 1754 00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,080 >> Yeah, but that's totally residential. 1755 00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:18,800 That's kind of This is commercial, 1756 00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:19,680 that's residential. 1757 00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:21,640 >> Well, you you have you have residential 1758 00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:22,840 on both sides. 1759 00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:23,880 >> Yeah, you do. 1760 00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:25,120 >> But they're zoned commercial. 1761 00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:28,000 >> Yes, I I agree. Yeah, I agree. 1762 00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:29,760 >> But yeah, what's hard is you're not 1763 00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,000 seeing in this picture the real life 1764 00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,360 image. It's been left off what's to the 1765 00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:35,440 right and the left of it. 1766 00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:35,920 >> Yeah. 1767 00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,760 >> They've shown, you know, 20 ft of grass. 1768 00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:40,200 Well, that's not correct. 1769 00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:40,520 >> Yeah. 1770 00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:42,920 >> This is a 10 and a 20-ft setback with 1771 00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:44,840 the home right really pretty pretty 1772 00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:45,520 tight. 1773 00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:45,920 >> Yeah. 1774 00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:47,880 >> And so it's hard to see the whole view 1775 00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:51,145 because we're given this memorialized 1776 00:58:51,145 --> 00:58:51,880 [snorts] 1777 00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:52,640 view. 1778 00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:53,720 >> True. 1779 00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:57,750 >> Yeah. 1780 00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,680 So you know, so again, it's this 1781 00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,800 I I I hope we can, you know, and and 1782 00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,720 Allen already said, you know, they I 1783 00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:08,640 wasn't here, you know, at our last 1784 00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:13,920 meeting, but you went over pictures and pictures. And so does does 1785 00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:17,160 this match what 1786 00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,960 you guys talked about or not? 1787 00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:24,080 >> If this Planning Commission and the City 1788 00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:28,440 Council were to adopt and use a lot of 1789 00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:29,920 the the pictures in the more 1790 00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:33,920 contemporary red brick buildings uh 1791 00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,720 going in up and down the the North Utah 1792 00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:38,960 County corridor. 1793 00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:40,280 This would fit 1794 00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:40,640 >> Okay. 1795 00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:41,400 >> with those. 1796 00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:42,480 >> Okay. 1797 00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:43,800 >> Yeah. 1798 00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:45,760 And even things that could be same 1799 00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:46,000 material. 1800 00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:47,160 >> I mean if you Yeah, if you look at the 1801 00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,040 Cedar Hills fire station, if you look at 1802 00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:50,720 the the the red brick buildings that 1803 00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:53,000 have gone in and in and around you know, 1804 00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,480 right there by the um shiny shell cars 1805 00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,520 or whatever. It's just south of just 1806 00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:00,120 south of uh 1807 01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:01,200 um 1808 01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:03,920 Walmart. And we also looked at those 1809 01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,240 Ezra Lee condominium buildings that are 1810 01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:08,320 just they're on the roundabout just 1811 01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:11,200 behind the Walmart. Uh we look at those 1812 01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:13,000 which this would be quite consistent 1813 01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:14,200 with. 1814 01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,280 And then again, we talked about the uh 1815 01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:16,960 um 1816 01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:18,760 the buildings as you get down, you know, 1817 01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:19,880 on the right side as you're headed 1818 01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:21,520 south, a lot of those red brick 1819 01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:24,600 buildings with a lot of the black fascia 1820 01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:25,760 canopies 1821 01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:27,440 uh broken up with, you know, I I I had 1822 01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:28,880 to look what kind of dark materials it 1823 01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,800 is, but some kind of dark material. 1824 01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:32,640 >> Uh sure. 1825 01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:34,560 >> That's the new police department in 1826 01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:35,280 Lehi. 1827 01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:37,280 Downtown Lehi brand new building. 1828 01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:39,840 There's multiple uses in there, but 1829 01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,120 I got a terrible picture. You can tell 1830 01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:43,360 it's from the video we talked to y'all 1831 01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:44,800 about last Saturday. 1832 01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:46,360 That right there is probably exactly 1833 01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:47,640 what the police 1834 01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:48,880 So, do you think that would do you think 1835 01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:49,880 that would work? 1836 01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:51,760 Like you can blend with that is all I'm 1837 01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:52,400 saying. 1838 01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:53,240 >> Yeah. 1839 01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:54,680 >> What do you think about Jeff? 1840 01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:55,120 >> I don't know. 1841 01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:57,320 >> Okay. I think we've I think we know the 1842 01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,160 issues then. Um 1843 01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:01,000 does does any further discussion or does 1844 01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:02,320 anybody want to make a motion? Let's 1845 01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:04,320 just see where we are as a commission. 1846 01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:05,440 >> Yeah, let's let's see. 1847 01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:06,640 >> Yeah. 1848 01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:07,640 I I am. 1849 01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:09,480 >> But that could go with that, right? Like 1850 01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:10,080 you 1851 01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:11,400 those could go 1852 01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:15,120 >> I kind of like not adding ACM to our 1853 01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:17,320 recommended primary materials list 1854 01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,120 because then that kind of gives us the 1855 01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:21,000 option that we have now. 1856 01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,560 We have the option to sure, sprinkle it 1857 01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:25,440 in there or whatever, right? I think, 1858 01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:26,520 but 1859 01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:27,520 anyway, 1860 01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:28,920 just to kind of address I don't think 1861 01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:29,360 >> Sure. 1862 01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:30,440 >> adding it as 1863 01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:32,000 >> I I think that's a good point, Troy. 1864 01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,910 >> Maybe. 1865 01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:36,000 » Ready for a motion? 1866 01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,080 >> I am. 1867 01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:39,680 >> Well, we are. 1868 01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:42,760 >> All right, I'd like to move that we 1869 01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:44,560 approve to the city council of the 1870 01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:46,400 proposed site plan for the new Long 1871 01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:48,160 Range Shooters of Utah commercial 1872 01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:49,800 building 1873 01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:51,920 with the following conditions or 1874 01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:53,560 recommendations. Number one, that the 1875 01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:55,720 city make sure that 1876 01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:56,520 uh 1877 01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:58,200 from a legal standpoint or statute 1878 01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:00,920 standpoint, city state laws allowing 1879 01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:05,240 guns to be sold uh near residences or 1880 01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:07,640 the school 1881 01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:10,840 that we ask that the builder and the 1882 01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:11,960 owner 1883 01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:14,800 make sure that we're compliant with the 1884 01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:16,880 uh sidewalks, so that there is a 1885 01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:19,240 sidewalk prior to going into the parking 1886 01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:21,280 lot. 1887 01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:25,560 And to get us to a point where we are 1888 01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:26,640 sh- 1889 01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,800 minding the gap relative to uh ACM not 1890 01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,200 yet being approved that in the center 1891 01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:34,400 section from where the garage is and the 1892 01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:37,440 retail store is, instead of having ACM, 1893 01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:39,800 which is metal, not approved yet, not on 1894 01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:43,400 the list, that we use the wood that is 1895 01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:46,640 stained the same color as the ACM metal 1896 01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:48,200 that goes around the windows on the 1897 01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:52,230 retail side. 1898 01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:54,160 » Okay, we have a motion by Greg 1899 01:02:54,160 --> 01:03:03,950 Butterfield. Do we have a second? 1900 01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:04,960 Okay. 1901 01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:08,960 Uh we have no second then, so the motion 1902 01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:09,960 fails. 1903 01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:11,800 Uh what is the reason that that there is 1904 01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:13,960 no second on the motion? 1905 01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:16,520 Is it the Is it the discussion over the 1906 01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:18,320 wood versus the ACM? 1907 01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:18,760 >> Yeah. 1908 01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:19,520 >> Mhm. 1909 01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:20,520 >> Okay. 1910 01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:21,000 Then 1911 01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:22,520 >> Well, I'll second. 1912 01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:22,920 >> Okay. 1913 01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:24,040 >> I'll second this motion. 1914 01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:27,280 >> Okay. So, we have a a belated second by 1915 01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:29,080 Michelle Shermer. Okay. 1916 01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:30,960 Um that's right. All right. Any 1917 01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,440 discussion on the motion? 1918 01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:35,320 >> And do you need to have them say 1919 01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:39,920 anything about the 10-ft easement? 1920 01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:44,150 PUE 1921 01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:47,560 » That is on the current site plan. 1922 01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:49,760 It's 1923 01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:51,440 So, I think that the applicant has met 1924 01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:54,200 that requirement. 1925 01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:55,120 Let me pull it back up. 1926 01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:57,080 >> Yeah, that was my understanding uh 1927 01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:00,280 Marla. It indicates that um 1928 01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:02,160 Let's see. 1929 01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:03,760 Have also been evaluated and affirmed 1930 01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,320 compliance as long as there is a 10-ft 1931 01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:10,680 PUE along the front property line. 1932 01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:11,920 >> Yep. 1933 01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:12,960 >> So, 1934 01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:14,320 K, that's already confirmed in the 1935 01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:15,280 planner or does it need to be a 1936 01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:16,200 condition? 1937 01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:17,440 >> No, that is there already. 1938 01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:18,240 >> Okay. All right. 1939 01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:20,560 >> Thank you. 1940 01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:22,640 >> Okay. Um we have a motion and a second. 1941 01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:32,350 Discussion on the motion? 1942 01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:33,920 Okay. 1943 01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:34,720 Uh 1944 01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:37,320 shall we go ahead and vote? 1945 01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:39,600 All right. All in favor, I. 1946 01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:41,840 >> I. 1947 01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:43,920 >> Okay, we have an I from Greg Butterfield 1948 01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:46,520 and an I from Michelle Shermer. Um 1949 01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:47,840 did I get them all? 1950 01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:49,960 Okay. All opposed? 1951 01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:51,640 >> Nay. 1952 01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:53,840 >> Okay, motion fails. 1953 01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:54,880 Um 1954 01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:56,680 all right, then we'll need to entertain 1955 01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:58,560 a second motion. 1956 01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:00,600 And I'm going to assume that the basis 1957 01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:03,080 for the nays is the requirement to the 1958 01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:06,880 condition that the painted wood 1959 01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:09,400 be used instead of the ACM. 1960 01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:10,720 Is that 1961 01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:13,280 fair from the nays? 1962 01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:14,400 >> The other way around, right? 1963 01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:15,360 >> way around. 1964 01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:16,400 >> What did I say? 1965 01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:17,560 >> would be used instead of the 1966 01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:18,200 >> ACM. 1967 01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:18,960 >> wood, right? 1968 01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:19,400 >> Yeah. 1969 01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:20,040 >> That's what he said. 1970 01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:21,480 >> That's what I said. No, I said the 1971 01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:23,920 motion failed because the nays, right? 1972 01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:25,200 >> I thought you got to I don't know. 1973 01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:26,120 >> Did I say that wrong? 1974 01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:27,160 >> No, we're you're great. 1975 01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:27,840 >> You said it right. 1976 01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:28,320 >> Okay. 1977 01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:28,640 >> you wrong. 1978 01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:29,480 >> That's what I heard. 1979 01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:29,800 >> Okay. 1980 01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:30,600 >> I'll make a motion. 1981 01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:31,960 >> I just want to clarify the issue so 1982 01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:33,440 we're not sitting here all night, you 1983 01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:33,760 know, 1984 01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:34,360 >> Crazy, I'm sorry. 1985 01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:36,680 >> you know, shooting blind on motions. And 1986 01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:38,120 all right. John? 1987 01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:40,120 >> I I move to recommend approval to City 1988 01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:41,800 Council of the proposed site plan for 1989 01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:44,080 the new Long Range Shooters of Utah 1990 01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:47,280 commercial building finding 1991 01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:51,480 that the exterior materials 1992 01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:54,720 substantially comply with the historic 1993 01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:57,320 gateway district requirements 1994 01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:01,200 and specifically that the ACM material 1995 01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:05,270 mimics um 1996 01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:08,200 the treatment of a wood 1997 01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:08,880 uh 1998 01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:10,680 cl- cladding 1999 01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:13,880 and that it is compliant with 2000 01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:15,320 the historical 2001 01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:18,280 historic district design guidelines. 2002 01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:21,920 We further recommend that 2003 01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:23,720 the um 2004 01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:26,720 apron leading into the parking lot 2005 01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:27,640 uh 2006 01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:30,000 be clearly identified and integrated 2007 01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:31,720 with the sidewalk 2008 01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:36,200 that the city confirm that there are no 2009 01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:40,240 local, state, or federal uh 2010 01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:42,640 ordinances or laws that uh prohibit the 2011 01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:46,040 sale of firearms uh 2012 01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:51,120 adjacent to residential and or um school 2013 01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:53,240 buildings. 2014 01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:55,000 >> Okay. Have a motion by John McAtee. Do 2015 01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:55,800 we have a second? 2016 01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:56,720 >> I'll second it. 2017 01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:58,320 >> Okay, second by Troy Slade. Discussion 2018 01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:02,030 on the motion. 2019 01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:03,600 Okay. All in favor, I. 2020 01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:05,600 >> I. 2021 01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:06,480 Any opposed? 2022 01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:07,760 >> Nay. 2023 01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:08,440 >> Okay. 2024 01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:11,280 So, we have eyes from Troy Slade, John 2025 01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:14,400 McKay, Alan McDonald, Greg Butterfield, 2026 01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:16,840 and Sue Wittenberg. We have nays from 2027 01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:19,400 Jeff Davis and Michelle Shermer. Is that 2028 01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:20,400 accurate? 2029 01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:20,800 >> Yeah. 2030 01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:23,600 >> Okay. Motion passes five to two if I can 2031 01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:27,830 do my math. Okay. Thank you. 2032 01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:33,470 Can we jump into 2033 01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:36,870 action item C? 2034 01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:42,070 » All right. Thank you, Commissioner. 2035 01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:45,400 All right. So, this is a item for a 2036 01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:48,080 preliminary plat approval 2037 01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:51,800 for the Page Senior Housing Plat A. 2038 01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:54,560 This is The applicant is Patterson Homes 2039 01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:57,240 and the location is 242-243 2040 01:07:57,240 --> 01:08:00,160 East Red Pine Drive. 2041 01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:01,960 This is in the senior housing overlay 2042 01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:04,200 zone. 2043 01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:08,440 And it is an acreage of 3.23 acres. 2044 01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:10,440 There are 20 lots. 2045 01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:13,760 Each lot is 0.06 acres. 2046 01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:15,720 And the request is that the preliminary 2047 01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:19,110 plan be approved. 2048 01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:22,000 The Planning Commission is the land use 2049 01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:24,279 authority for this item. 2050 01:08:24,279 --> 01:08:26,000 And then the final plat will be a city 2051 01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:27,960 staff approval if if the preliminary 2052 01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:31,470 plat is approved. 2053 01:08:31,480 --> 01:08:34,000 So, uh the Page Senior Housing 2054 01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:35,680 Preliminary is on a approximately one 2055 01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:37,400 and a half separate parcels of land, 2056 01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:39,200 both owned by Patterson. There are stub 2057 01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:40,759 road connections on the south side of 2058 01:08:40,759 --> 01:08:44,319 the parcel along Red Pine Drive. 2059 01:08:44,319 --> 01:08:45,600 The parcel already went through a 2060 01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:47,160 rezoning process with the city. I 2061 01:08:47,160 --> 01:08:49,480 believe the commissioner saw that uh 2062 01:08:49,480 --> 01:08:51,359 sometime in the past. 2063 01:08:51,359 --> 01:08:53,880 Uh and that's what is allowing this 2064 01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:56,640 development today. 2065 01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:58,440 The parcel abouts a senior housing 2066 01:08:58,440 --> 01:09:00,759 project River Meadows The River Meadows 2067 01:09:00,759 --> 01:09:03,040 PRD to the east. 2068 01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:04,960 Here's the vicinity map. You can see the 2069 01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:06,640 parcel there. 2070 01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:07,680 The roundabout is right here in the 2071 01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:09,560 bottom left corner. 2072 01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:12,600 Just to get an idea of where that is. 2073 01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:15,240 So, there is no minimum lot size for 2074 01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:17,640 lots in the senior housing overlay zone. 2075 01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:20,359 Um there's just a minimum acreage of two 2076 01:09:20,359 --> 01:09:22,720 and a maximum of six for a senior 2077 01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:24,400 housing project 2078 01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:26,960 with only eight units allowed per acre. 2079 01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:29,359 So, this project meets that requirement. 2080 01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:31,319 Uh it does allow as well the senior 2081 01:09:31,319 --> 01:09:32,759 housing overlay zone does allow as well 2082 01:09:32,759 --> 01:09:36,319 for two twin homes attached to be 2083 01:09:36,319 --> 01:09:37,960 in the zone. 2084 01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:39,799 Um 2085 01:09:39,799 --> 01:09:41,880 for the use, uh 2086 01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:44,839 like I just mentioned, that it is for 20 2087 01:09:44,839 --> 01:09:47,600 twin twin homes. 2088 01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:49,720 Uh there's a proposed private trail 2089 01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:52,080 along Dry Creek uh according to our 2090 01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:54,880 current master trail plan map. 2091 01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:57,720 So, uh discussing with staff, Shane 2092 01:09:57,720 --> 01:09:59,320 Sorensen, city administrator, there are 2093 01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:00,040 some 2094 01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:02,200 potential constraints for the exact 2095 01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:04,120 location of the trail. 2096 01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:07,360 And so, uh it might have to be relocated 2097 01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:09,320 to somewhere else 2098 01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:12,640 uh between Red Pine Drive and 100 South. 2099 01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:14,080 And so, that should be determined before 2100 01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:16,920 the final plat is approved. 2101 01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:18,720 The parking requirements are met for 2102 01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:20,960 each unit. I know the commissioners are 2103 01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:22,640 aware of the 2104 01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:25,280 uh requirements that parking cannot be 2105 01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:26,800 in the 2106 01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:29,520 uh in the setback area cuz we've talked 2107 01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:32,160 about that on a former project. And so, 2108 01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:34,440 there are some stalls that encroach into 2109 01:10:34,440 --> 01:10:36,640 that setback from what I can from what 2110 01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:38,560 staff could see. 2111 01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:40,800 Uh but they're not stalls for the 2112 01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:41,920 individual units. They're just 2113 01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:44,400 additional visitor type stalls that are 2114 01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:46,240 on the site plan. 2115 01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:49,720 So, um that will have to be addressed or 2116 01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:52,680 given permission by the commissioners. 2117 01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:54,560 Um there's no amount of additional 2118 01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:57,200 required spaces that are required for a 2119 01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:59,400 project like this, that's determined by 2120 01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:02,200 you as the commissioners. 2121 01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:03,680 Um and then the only other thing would 2122 01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:06,000 just be that the developer will need to 2123 01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:07,960 work with the Alpine Irrigation Company 2124 01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:10,040 to satisfy the city's water share 2125 01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:11,600 requirements 2126 01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:13,160 and will need to be met before the final 2127 01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:15,040 plat can be recorded. 2128 01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:17,040 And also in the senior housing overlay 2129 01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:18,680 zone, a developer's agreement is 2130 01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:21,440 required. And so the applicant will have 2131 01:11:21,440 --> 01:11:23,360 to enter into that with the city council 2132 01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:26,840 before the final plat can be approved. 2133 01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:28,440 Um these comments down here from the 2134 01:11:28,440 --> 01:11:30,040 city engineer, if you have any questions 2135 01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:31,600 for him, please feel free to bring them 2136 01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:34,560 up. I'm just going to jump them for now. 2137 01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:37,000 He answered everyone really well and and 2138 01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,640 can answer any questions you might have. 2139 01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:41,640 So the findings for this for this 2140 01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:44,440 proposal is that it complies with the 2141 01:11:44,440 --> 01:11:45,920 zoning ordinances of the business 2142 01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:47,560 commercial zone and the senior housing 2143 01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:49,600 overlay zone. 2144 01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:51,200 All of the new construction that's being 2145 01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:53,760 proposed is outside of the flood flood 2146 01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:55,000 zone 2147 01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:58,080 and there are no exceptions required for 2148 01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:00,160 this to be approved. So the staff would 2149 01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:02,520 recommend the Planning Commission 2150 01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:04,920 uh make a motion to approve the proposed 2151 01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:06,720 preliminary plat for the Page Senior 2152 01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:08,960 Housing A Subdivision 2153 01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:10,600 just with the conditions that the trail 2154 01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:12,360 location be determined before final plat 2155 01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:14,400 approval, developer's agreement be 2156 01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:17,280 entered into before that approval and 2157 01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:18,760 the additional parking spaces be 2158 01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:21,080 adjusted before that final plat approval 2159 01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:23,400 as well. And if there's any 2160 01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:24,800 uh minor redlines on the plat that they 2161 01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:26,800 be corrected. I know there is one that I 2162 01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:28,200 think with the two projects the 2163 01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:29,960 developers doing, they might have 2164 01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:31,480 mistaken a number or something like 2165 01:12:31,480 --> 01:12:33,720 that, but just very minor redlines that 2166 01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:36,280 need to be made. 2167 01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:38,240 All right, so let's jump in and look at 2168 01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:40,320 it unless there's any questions as of 2169 01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:41,480 right now. 2170 01:12:41,480 --> 01:12:44,280 >> I have a quick question on the trail trail 2171 01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:45,240 constraints. 2172 01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:46,080 >> Okay. 2173 01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:49,230 >> What 2174 01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:51,480 On those trail constraints 2175 01:12:51,480 --> 01:12:53,280 Yeah, bring will you bring that up cuz 2176 01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:56,120 that's a wonderful addition to have 2177 01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:58,600 there. Are you Will you give me the 2178 01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:02,190 coordinates of that? 2179 01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:03,640 » Sorry, the coordinates whose? 2180 01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:06,960 >> Yeah, it's so it's Dry Creek. So, the 2181 01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:10,400 Dry Creek Trail, just tell me 2182 01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:13,280 that is coming across that crosses over 2183 01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:15,880 Main Street. And then it So, how do I'm 2184 01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:17,560 just wondering how you're going to 2185 01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:19,560 connect those across the road like that. 2186 01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:20,800 Anyway, we don't want to talk about it 2187 01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:22,920 right now. I just think the trail should 2188 01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:24,320 certain certainly be there. There'll be 2189 01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:25,440 people that will really want to use 2190 01:13:25,440 --> 01:13:26,640 that. 2191 01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:28,280 >> Yeah, and that that is a great question. 2192 01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:31,080 It is an open discussion right now. Um 2193 01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:32,680 Shane Sorensen, city administrator, was 2194 01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:33,280 thinking 2195 01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:35,160 >> Let's wait on it. I'm sorry. Let's wait 2196 01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:36,040 till you have information. 2197 01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:37,920 >> Mhm. It could be something along the 2198 01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:40,120 sidewalk, up the up the private lane, 2199 01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:41,480 and then along the trail, or something 2200 01:13:41,480 --> 01:13:43,000 like that, but that's something that 2201 01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:44,560 needs to be determined. Yeah. 2202 01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:46,760 >> Got it. Is there current access right 2203 01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:49,160 now as a trail through there, or is it 2204 01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:50,800 just a right-of-way that people have 2205 01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:52,720 been taking? 2206 01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:57,120 Cuz people talk people came to a 2207 01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:58,720 public hearing and talked about the 2208 01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:02,000 trail, but is it official, or is it just 2209 01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:02,840 a deer trail? 2210 01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:04,840 >> my understanding is there's a proposed 2211 01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:07,160 private trail that is supposed to go on 2212 01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:08,800 there according to our master trail plan 2213 01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:09,360 map. 2214 01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:12,960 >> And in the past, there's not a current 2215 01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:14,520 official trail there. 2216 01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:16,040 >> That's correct. That's my understanding, 2217 01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:22,950 yeah. 2218 01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:24,480 » Is it Is this the first time we've seen 2219 01:14:24,480 --> 01:14:26,840 the plans of the houses? 2220 01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:27,480 >> Yes. 2221 01:14:27,480 --> 01:14:28,920 >> Okay, so they weren't presented to us 2222 01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:31,040 earlier in the meeting. Okay, cuz I was 2223 01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:34,080 surprised that they were two-story. 2224 01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:35,520 >> Yeah, we can take a look at those. Let 2225 01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:38,560 me pull up the elevations. Um 2226 01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:42,960 So, yeah, here is the site plan. 2227 01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:45,200 Jump to this. Here's a proposed floor 2228 01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:49,830 plan for those units. 2229 01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:54,630 And then 2230 01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:59,670 let's see. 2231 01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:00,960 Let's jump to the elevations. So, these 2232 01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:02,400 are the proposed elevations for the 2233 01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:04,760 units. 2234 01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:06,360 >> Cuz if I can remember right, it seems 2235 01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:09,400 like the first time they presented it, was like they were supposed to be 2236 01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:10,880 just like the houses that were kind of 2237 01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:13,800 built there, but maybe I'm 2238 01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:15,000 I don't know. Do you guys remember that? 2239 01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:15,720 >> twin homes next door 2240 01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:16,920 >> Yeah, like like the 2241 01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:17,720 >> They don't have a 2242 01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:19,080 >> Like the single family homes that were 2243 01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:21,440 down there existing. 2244 01:15:21,440 --> 01:15:24,160 Yeah, so that's kind of 2245 01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:29,430 surprise, but 2246 01:15:29,440 --> 01:15:34,830 guess it's zoned for that, so. 2247 01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:36,920 » Do we have that elevation? 2248 01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:39,560 And are both styles being 2249 01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:41,000 built? 2250 01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:43,200 We have two different frontages. Are 2251 01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:44,600 both styles being built? 2252 01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:47,240 >> One's front and back. 2253 01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:48,680 >> Yeah, there's the front elevation and 2254 01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:50,200 the rear. 2255 01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:51,640 >> Yeah, but but if you keep going down, 2256 01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:54,240 there's another set. 2257 01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:56,080 There's another option. So, I was 2258 01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:57,680 confused. 2259 01:15:57,680 --> 01:15:59,440 Is it 2260 01:15:59,440 --> 01:16:00,840 or 2261 01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:02,920 like this one where the two garages both 2262 01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:05,160 have symmetrical peaks versus 2263 01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:07,200 asymmetrical peaks? 2264 01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:08,480 >> Yeah, that's a great question we can ask 2265 01:16:08,480 --> 01:16:10,600 the applicant. Um, I'm guessing they put 2266 01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:13,080 two different styles in and then one 2267 01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:14,800 will be determined as the 2268 01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:17,800 >> So, they're going to do both. They're 2269 01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:18,400 These are your two options. 2270 01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:20,800 >> I guess I'm not 100% sure, but we can we 2271 01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:22,040 can ask the applicant. That is a good 2272 01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:22,640 question. 2273 01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:26,430 >> Yeah. 2274 01:16:26,440 --> 01:16:29,000 » So, do you want to know the elevation? 2275 01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:30,040 Do you have that measurement? 2276 01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:30,520 >> Caden? 2277 01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:37,030 >> Yeah. 2278 01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:38,040 » Commissioner, are you asking about the 2279 01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:40,720 elevation of the site itself or 2280 01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:42,200 >> Just want to know the elevation of the 2281 01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:42,800 house. 2282 01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:45,750 >> How high is it? 2283 01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:49,670 The height of the house, I guess. 2284 01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:52,880 Yeah, I'd be under 30, I'm sure. 2285 01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:55,200 I'm curious how high it is. 2286 01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:56,840 >> Yeah, Troy, it seemed to me originally 2287 01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:58,880 there was just at least in the rendering 2288 01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:00,840 they were um 2289 01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:02,680 one stories. These look like maybe 2290 01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:04,600 they're maximizing the the space and 2291 01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:06,400 making them two stories, but I think 2292 01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:07,040 that's 2293 01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:07,680 >> Yeah. 2294 01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:09,760 >> I I either way as long as they meet 2295 01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:11,000 height restrictions, right? I don't 2296 01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:12,040 think there's 2297 01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:13,560 I'm I'm I'm not sure I see an issue 2298 01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:14,080 there. 2299 01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:15,640 >> Yeah. 2300 01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:16,960 >> And we can ask about that. I don't think 2301 01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:20,120 we received a a set height restriction 2302 01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:25,870 on the on the twin homes. 2303 01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:26,800 » Yeah. 2304 01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:28,480 yeah, they're yeah. 2305 01:17:28,480 --> 01:17:30,560 >> I don't remember them wanting us to tie 2306 01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:33,760 it in with the other homes because that's a a whole 2307 01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:35,560 different development on that Redpine 2308 01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:38,840 Drive. This is back in its own little 2309 01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:40,200 it's kind of private in there. 2310 01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:41,920 >> Uh, they're just across the fence. 2311 01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:42,360 >> Yeah. 2312 01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:44,800 >> They share but not but they don't share 2313 01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:46,360 >> They're going to share a driveway in the 2314 01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:47,120 back. 2315 01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:48,240 >> Oh, in the very back. 2316 01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:49,640 >> Where the house is currently. 2317 01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:51,960 >> Okay, cuz the one on Redpine they would 2318 01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:53,880 >> Well, they're joining their HOA. 2319 01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:54,920 >> I know that and their HOA 2320 01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:55,360 >> So 2321 01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:56,840 >> It's it's a wonderful little thing they 2322 01:17:56,840 --> 01:17:57,920 got going on over there. 2323 01:17:57,920 --> 01:17:59,200 >> Yeah. 2324 01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:01,120 >> It is. It's been great. 2325 01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:02,440 >> So, let me show you real quick. So, the 2326 01:18:02,440 --> 01:18:04,280 parking I was mentioning, I think some 2327 01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:05,360 of 2328 01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:07,480 a few of these lots, maybe this one on 2329 01:18:07,480 --> 01:18:09,520 the end here and these ones at the the 2330 01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:10,760 front near the right-of-way of the 2331 01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:12,640 development might be in the setback. 2332 01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:13,200 >> Mhm. 2333 01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:15,320 >> And so, they'll have to receive 2334 01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:16,880 uh 2335 01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:18,360 an exception from the commissioners if 2336 01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:20,240 you'd like to grant that or be 2337 01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:22,240 rearranged. 2338 01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:23,600 >> Tonight? 2339 01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:24,640 That exception needs to be granted 2340 01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:25,120 tonight? 2341 01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:34,470 >> Correct. 2342 01:18:34,480 --> 01:18:36,200 But, Cayden, real quick just for 2343 01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:40,240 clarification, these are um kind of 2344 01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:43,320 bonus visitor parking places. They're 2345 01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:45,200 not required 2346 01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:47,120 for 2347 01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:48,440 They're not required to meet the the 2348 01:18:48,440 --> 01:18:49,880 minimum number of parking 2349 01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:51,560 >> Each unit require is required to have 2350 01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:54,360 two spaces and 2351 01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:56,720 each one of each unit should be meeting 2352 01:18:56,720 --> 01:18:58,280 that requirement. 2353 01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:00,160 And then any additional parking the 2354 01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:02,000 senior housing overlay zone says that 2355 01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:03,440 the planning commission can determine 2356 01:19:03,440 --> 01:19:05,040 how much extra parking 2357 01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:05,720 >> they might need. 2358 01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:08,400 >> So an exception isn't required to get 2359 01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:10,360 the minimum parking. 2360 01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:11,760 >> Right. They're They already are meeting 2361 01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:13,280 the minimum requirement of number of 2362 01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:16,080 stalls. It's just the location of it. 2363 01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:17,520 And the setback. 2364 01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:20,760 >> So so the setbacks are going to be 2365 01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:24,160 encroached on by the pavilion 2366 01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:26,400 and all 2367 01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:29,680 four parking spot or all four 2368 01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:31,480 How many How many stalls do we have in 2369 01:19:31,480 --> 01:19:33,520 the front on the south side? 2370 01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:34,840 >> Is it where the lines are? It looks like 2371 01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:35,080 you 2372 01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:36,560 >> It's like you have five stalls here. 2373 01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:37,600 Yeah. 2374 01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:38,680 Two and three. 2375 01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:41,000 >> But you're losing two out front and two 2376 01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:43,400 on the back. Is that that 2377 01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:49,080 straight line is that where the requirement is? So you'd lose one. 2378 01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:50,000 >> Yeah, so this 2379 01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:50,480 >> You know what I'm saying? 2380 01:19:50,480 --> 01:19:53,640 >> This one might actually be okay because 2381 01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:54,920 it really just depends on the back 2382 01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:56,640 property line and I think that actually 2383 01:19:56,640 --> 01:20:00,160 might be out of the setback here. 2384 01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:03,120 Um this line doesn't call out the 2385 01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:05,760 setback, but I so I'm not sure if that's 2386 01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:08,200 what that is. I think it might be. 2387 01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:09,400 So 2388 01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:11,720 but the back property line is right here 2389 01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:14,040 through Dry Creek. 2390 01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:17,280 So if it's outside of that 20-ft 2391 01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:19,080 setback, then that one actually might be 2392 01:20:19,080 --> 01:20:20,600 okay. It's more of these front ones that 2393 01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:22,840 are looks like they're encroaching. 2394 01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:25,920 >> Do we know like Red Pine Circle 2395 01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:28,360 is red lined on one side. You're not 2396 01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:30,120 supposed to park on it because of the 2397 01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:32,480 fire engines. Is that the same thing for 2398 01:20:32,480 --> 01:20:35,520 Page Lane? Is its width 2399 01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:37,040 too narrow 2400 01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:38,440 for park for 2401 01:20:38,440 --> 01:20:40,240 curb side parking? 2402 01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:41,600 Do we know? 2403 01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:43,240 >> I am not aware of that. 2404 01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:43,640 >> Cuz 2405 01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:45,040 >> Yeah, I don't think you I don't think 2406 01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:47,240 you could have 2407 01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:49,840 parking in front of those houses. 2408 01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:52,280 >> Yeah, like on like on Red Pine Circle. 2409 01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:54,200 >> Yes. Yeah, same. 2410 01:20:54,200 --> 01:20:58,280 >> because of the fire engine. 2411 01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:01,760 So, they do need these visitor parking. 2412 01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:04,680 Um I think it's essential. 2413 01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:06,920 I just don't like the front ones in the 2414 01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:09,040 setback. Yeah, the back ones don't 2415 01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:11,200 bother me, but the front ones 2416 01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:12,000 >> Same. 2417 01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:13,640 >> Yeah. 2418 01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:15,480 >> Look, cuz that's all those neighbors in 2419 01:21:15,480 --> 01:21:16,280 there. What about that? 2420 01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:16,760 >> What? 2421 01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:17,560 >> That's right in the middle of that 2422 01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:19,680 neighborhood, too. I get that. I totally 2423 01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:21,520 agree. Michelle. 2424 01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:23,120 >> If my memory's correct, when we had the 2425 01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:24,720 open meeting, 2426 01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:27,240 the neighbors did ask for a concession 2427 01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:30,280 also from a sign standpoint. And so, 2428 01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:31,840 I don't know if that was brought up, but 2429 01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:34,000 the parking stalls where you enter and 2430 01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:35,560 the signage there, making sure that that 2431 01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:37,880 looked consistent or they were 2432 01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:40,280 opinionated about what happens there. 2433 01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:43,510 >> that. 2434 01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:44,800 » That's a good comment, and I do think 2435 01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:46,920 it's this one stall right here that is 2436 01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:49,120 encroaching into the side setback as 2437 01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:51,200 well. 2438 01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:54,870 Okay. 2439 01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:56,000 » And then they connected with the 2440 01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:58,640 existing space for safety, right? So, 2441 01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:00,920 ambulance and fire truck. 2442 01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:02,360 >> Correct. 2443 01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:05,480 >> But that existing will be used full-time 2444 01:22:05,480 --> 01:22:09,280 or just for emergency purposes? 2445 01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:12,080 The back connector. 2446 01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:14,920 >> Uh so, there is no proposed 2447 01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:16,480 >> No, I meant in the back there. 2448 01:22:16,480 --> 01:22:18,101 >> off Red Pine Circle. 2449 01:22:18,101 --> 01:22:18,120 >> [clears throat] 2450 01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:20,400 >> Where the home is currently, that 2451 01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:22,160 >> did the rezoning, it was it was to be 2452 01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:22,800 left open. 2453 01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:24,880 >> It was to be left open permanently. 2454 01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:26,920 >> Yeah, I believe so. Yes. 2455 01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:36,310 >> Yep. 2456 01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:42,750 » Okay, the bananas. 2457 01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:44,520 All right, Kaden, did you get any did I 2458 01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:46,120 know we interrupt you a couple times 2459 01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:47,320 with questions. Did you get through 2460 01:22:47,320 --> 01:22:48,040 everything? 2461 01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:49,480 >> I think that should be all for my side. 2462 01:22:49,480 --> 01:22:51,950 Yes. 2463 01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:55,030 » Okay, um 2464 01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:56,440 besides the issues already raised, any 2465 01:22:56,440 --> 01:22:59,480 further questions from Kaden on the 2466 01:22:59,480 --> 01:23:07,030 introduction of the action item? 2467 01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:08,240 Okay. 2468 01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:12,350 Uh any discussion? 2469 01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:15,280 Uh do we have a petitioner here, Kaden? 2470 01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:16,400 >> Yes, the applicant is here. 2471 01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:20,972 >> Okay, sure, love to. 2472 01:23:20,982 --> 01:23:22,920 » [snorts] 2473 01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:23,920 >> Good evening. 2474 01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:26,360 Ross Welch, uh representing Patterson 2475 01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:27,600 Homes. 2476 01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:29,520 So, I want to clarify a couple things. 2477 01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:30,600 So, 2478 01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:34,080 the standard plan of these homes is to 2479 01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:35,880 be one level. 2480 01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:37,120 Um 2481 01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:39,560 the dormers and other things are just 2482 01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:41,120 for aesthetics, 2483 01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:43,800 but there is an option if they want to 2484 01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:46,720 put a bonus room up there, we can access 2485 01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:48,240 it at that point. 2486 01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:49,440 Um 2487 01:23:49,440 --> 01:23:51,200 we originally, when we came in and 2488 01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:53,880 sought the rezone, had a site plan that 2489 01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:56,080 was part of that. And if you recall, it 2490 01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:59,400 had 24 units in that site plan. We've 2491 01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:01,920 reduced this down to 20 units. 2492 01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:04,480 Um the reason is because we couldn't get 2493 01:24:04,480 --> 01:24:07,040 a floor plan that we liked for this 2494 01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:08,480 marketplace. 2495 01:24:08,480 --> 01:24:10,760 Uh one thing we realized in the one next 2496 01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:12,760 door is that the footprint's a little 2497 01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:15,920 too small. And so, we reduced this down 2498 01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:17,920 by four units so that we could make the 2499 01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:20,800 footprints larger. Uh the each of these 2500 01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:23,520 on the main floor will be close to 1950 2501 01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:25,840 square feet with one bedroom. So, it 2502 01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:29,200 gives nice usable space. And then the 2503 01:24:29,200 --> 01:24:31,880 basement area uh 2504 01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:33,480 to use as well. 2505 01:24:33,480 --> 01:24:36,480 Um yes, as far as trails go, that is a 2506 01:24:36,480 --> 01:24:38,400 consideration. We're we're fine to put a 2507 01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:40,600 trail wherever, but currently there's 2508 01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:42,760 not anything we're connecting and 2509 01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:45,200 accessing. And so, that's why that's 2510 01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:46,840 there. Uh 2511 01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:49,120 parking 2512 01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:52,200 we appreciate any parking we can get. Uh 2513 01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:54,920 we think it's useful and beneficial. 2514 01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:56,320 The 2515 01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:58,200 connection with the existing River 2516 01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:00,880 Meadows 55 and older community 2517 01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:04,120 uh I I sit on the board of that group, 2518 01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:06,320 and there was concern about the traffic 2519 01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:09,120 flow coming. And I said, "I'm not sure I 2520 01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:12,480 know of anybody who would want to turn 2521 01:25:12,480 --> 01:25:15,680 to then turn to then go down to the road 2522 01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:17,400 to get out." 2523 01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:18,360 People are just going to go down the 2524 01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:20,720 street and get out. It's there for in 2525 01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:22,560 case of an emergency, something gets 2526 01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:25,360 blocked, we have an access. Just like in 2527 01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:27,560 the existing River Meadows utilizes the 2528 01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:30,280 assisted living parking lot to get out. 2529 01:25:30,280 --> 01:25:31,120 So, 2530 01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:32,640 >> So, you assume most of the ingress 2531 01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:34,200 egress is off of Red Pine? 2532 01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:36,920 >> Yes. Yeah. It's a direct shot, so I 2533 01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:40,360 assume everybody's going to go straight. 2534 01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:41,640 Um 2535 01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:43,200 and 2536 01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:44,240 yes. 2537 01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:45,720 So, that just wanted to give that kind 2538 01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:47,360 of background and and where we're at. 2539 01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:49,480 Any other questions you may have? 2540 01:25:49,480 --> 01:25:51,400 >> So, do you know where your your property 2541 01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:56,190 line is on the back? 2542 01:25:56,200 --> 01:25:57,280 » Well, I 2543 01:25:57,280 --> 01:25:59,400 could adjust it cuz I own the property 2544 01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:01,000 to the north. So, I can make it wherever 2545 01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:02,000 I need it to be. 2546 01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:03,080 >> Okay, well, that takes care of those 2547 01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:04,720 ones then anyway, right? 2548 01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:06,080 >> So, that take care of a problem by 2549 01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:08,320 moving over 5 ft, then I don't have a 2550 01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:09,760 problem with setback on the parking. 2551 01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:10,760 >> Yeah. 2552 01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:11,160 >> I like that. 2553 01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:15,560 >> So, do you own Dry Creek? Is or is that 2554 01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:16,080 >> We don't. 2555 01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:17,200 >> city property? 2556 01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:17,720 >> It's 2557 01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:22,760 >> No, it's it's a waterway and so the waterway 2558 01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:24,920 you have your property line, but I don't 2559 01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:26,400 control the creek, obviously. 2560 01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:29,680 >> Right, but up to the up to the bed? 2561 01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:30,480 Or where is 2562 01:26:30,480 --> 01:26:31,480 >> adjoining property that you own. 2563 01:26:31,480 --> 01:26:32,680 >> To the adjoining property goes all the 2564 01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:33,880 way through. 2565 01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:34,680 >> All the way through. 2566 01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:38,470 >> Right. 2567 01:26:38,480 --> 01:26:39,480 » Okay, well that's 2568 01:26:39,480 --> 01:26:43,070 that any issues of 2569 01:26:43,080 --> 01:26:45,320 granting an exception for parking on the 2570 01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:47,560 rear stalls 2571 01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:49,480 we ought not make a 2572 01:26:49,480 --> 01:26:52,040 an exception for. 2573 01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:54,200 We just make it compliant. 2574 01:26:54,200 --> 01:26:55,960 The front, I don't know. What are your 2575 01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:57,520 thoughts on the front stalls? 2576 01:26:57,520 --> 01:26:59,120 >> Well, 2577 01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:01,160 help me understand your concerns with 2578 01:27:01,160 --> 01:27:05,760 the parking in the in that area. What have been the issues you've seen by 2579 01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:09,830 being in that area? 2580 01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:10,720 » On the front? 2581 01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:11,480 >> Yeah. 2582 01:27:11,480 --> 01:27:13,320 >> It's just the setback issue. 2583 01:27:13,320 --> 01:27:15,160 >> But what what what by the setback 2584 01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:17,040 meaning what does that cause? 2585 01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:20,360 >> we have guidelines that you have to 2586 01:27:20,360 --> 01:27:23,760 have structures set back so many feet 2587 01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:26,160 from the street. 2588 01:27:26,160 --> 01:27:27,320 >> Right. 2589 01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:29,600 And that that asphalt is considered a 2590 01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:31,400 structure then or 2591 01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:33,800 >> It's part of the setback. Yeah, I mean 2592 01:27:33,800 --> 01:27:35,680 we have the same issue right right here 2593 01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:37,520 on the corner that we had to talk about 2594 01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:39,480 the setbacks for the parking that's come 2595 01:27:39,480 --> 01:27:40,840 by station. 2596 01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:42,080 >> Just just because normally you're going 2597 01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:43,320 to have an aesthetic, right? Where 2598 01:27:43,320 --> 01:27:44,680 there's a setback and it's typically 2599 01:27:44,680 --> 01:27:47,600 landscape. There's trees or grass or 2600 01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:49,040 bushes or something in that setback so 2601 01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:50,840 it's an aesthetic where we 2602 01:27:50,840 --> 01:27:53,640 typically like the the the 2603 01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:56,320 that area to be landscaped and then 2604 01:27:56,320 --> 01:27:57,360 um 2605 01:27:57,360 --> 01:27:58,640 parking and 2606 01:27:58,640 --> 01:28:00,640 buildings etc. You know, not encroach in 2607 01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:02,560 that setback and it's a it's an 2608 01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:03,600 aesthetic issue. 2609 01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:05,760 >> there's a park strip area, but then 2610 01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:07,640 you're saying you'd prefer to have grass 2611 01:28:07,640 --> 01:28:09,840 there instead of the 2612 01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:10,240 Got it. 2613 01:28:10,240 --> 01:28:11,280 >> And also there was just some of the 2614 01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:13,240 neighbors that across right directly 2615 01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:14,400 across the street. 2616 01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:14,840 >> Uh-huh. 2617 01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:16,400 >> They had contacted them and that was one 2618 01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:18,040 of the things Greg was referring to too 2619 01:28:18,040 --> 01:28:20,120 with the signage and stuff. It just 2620 01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:21,280 feels 2621 01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:22,400 for them, 2622 01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:24,080 you know, just have parked cars out 2623 01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:25,880 there and even though it's been like 2624 01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:27,520 that little junkyard 2625 01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:31,080 >> Well, no. I'm I'm humored by that cuz I live there 2626 01:28:31,080 --> 01:28:33,480 and that red pine is a parking lot for 2627 01:28:33,480 --> 01:28:35,760 that home across the street. But anyway, 2628 01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:36,041 >> I know. 2629 01:28:36,041 --> 01:28:36,680 >> [laughter] 2630 01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:38,080 >> Yeah. 2631 01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:39,720 >> But yeah, okay. 2632 01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:41,360 >> But there just was some talk about that. 2633 01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:43,120 Do you remember? 2634 01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:45,400 >> So we're we're in that I mean we're talking 2635 01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:49,270 about two parking spots, right? 2636 01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:50,400 » Maybe about 2637 01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:54,030 >> There's at least 2638 01:28:54,040 --> 01:28:57,200 I mean I if that line that runs through 2639 01:28:57,200 --> 01:28:59,600 there is the setback line, I'm just 2640 01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:01,840 there's one, two, three, four, five five 2641 01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:03,200 spots so it impact two. 2642 01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:04,840 >> Yeah, this here is the setback line 2643 01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:05,560 right here. 2644 01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:07,600 >> Oh, okay. Okay. I'm it's a different 2645 01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:08,520 one. 2646 01:29:08,520 --> 01:29:12,550 >> All five of those are in the setback. 2647 01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:13,680 Yeah, just to add on to what the 2648 01:29:13,680 --> 01:29:15,160 commissioner is saying, it's just also 2649 01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:17,320 it's just a requirement if if the 2650 01:29:17,320 --> 01:29:19,480 parking lots are in the setback, they 2651 01:29:19,480 --> 01:29:23,270 have to give an exception to it. Yeah. 2652 01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:27,070 Let me let me show it right here. 2653 01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:28,760 So it says no portion of the setback 2654 01:29:28,760 --> 01:29:30,480 area adjacent to a street shall be used 2655 01:29:30,480 --> 01:29:31,960 for off-street parking. 2656 01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:35,830 >> Okay. 2657 01:29:35,840 --> 01:29:37,400 Well, that's pretty cut and dry. 2658 01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:39,280 >> Yeah. Yeah, that's that's 2659 01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:40,920 >> Well, John, we can make it more vague if 2660 01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:41,542 we need to. 2661 01:29:41,542 --> 01:29:45,390 >> [laughter] 2662 01:29:45,400 --> 01:29:46,200 » We don't like to go there. 2663 01:29:46,200 --> 01:29:53,790 >> Okay. All right. I'm good. I'm good. 2664 01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:54,640 Okay. 2665 01:29:54,640 --> 01:29:56,520 Anybody have any further questions for 2666 01:29:56,520 --> 01:29:57,120 Ross? 2667 01:29:57,120 --> 01:30:00,200 >> Um yeah, may this is probably this is 2668 01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:02,480 probably just mostly for my personal 2669 01:30:02,480 --> 01:30:04,120 information. 2670 01:30:04,120 --> 01:30:05,200 Uh 2671 01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:07,400 Caleb's Caleb read has some information 2672 01:30:07,400 --> 01:30:09,320 about uh water. 2673 01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:10,000 >> Yes. 2674 01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:17,320 >> So, this is in Alpine. So, why is there water shares that have to 2675 01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:18,560 because 2676 01:30:18,560 --> 01:30:21,840 that is separate now? Is that's all 2677 01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:22,840 >> I think it's 2678 01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:24,920 I think it relates more that the density 2679 01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:27,040 has changed here with the overlay and so 2680 01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:28,960 more water is needed. Possibly that's 2681 01:30:28,960 --> 01:30:29,320 the issue. 2682 01:30:29,320 --> 01:30:31,040 >> is that is that what the issue is, 2683 01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:32,520 Jason? 2684 01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:35,240 >> And we have a lot of water banked with 2685 01:30:35,240 --> 01:30:36,960 the city, so it's not an issue for us. 2686 01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:39,440 >> Okay. Okay. So, you're So, Patterson is 2687 01:30:39,440 --> 01:30:42,120 just going to trade whatever that 2688 01:30:42,120 --> 01:30:44,680 density is and say, "Okay, we're going 2689 01:30:44,680 --> 01:30:46,800 to make up for it by giving the city X 2690 01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:47,760 amount of shares." 2691 01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:48,400 >> Right. 2692 01:30:48,400 --> 01:30:52,080 >> Okay. Okay. Cuz I I don't believe we've 2693 01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:54,760 faced that at least my time on the 2694 01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:56,800 commission where where that was an 2695 01:30:56,800 --> 01:30:57,400 issue. 2696 01:30:57,400 --> 01:30:59,320 >> Every development that comes into the 2697 01:30:59,320 --> 01:31:00,680 city, [clears throat] if these were all 2698 01:31:00,680 --> 01:31:02,360 single-family homes, they would still 2699 01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:04,520 have to bring water in. 2700 01:31:04,520 --> 01:31:04,920 >> Okay. 2701 01:31:04,920 --> 01:31:06,800 >> Any development that comes into the city 2702 01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:07,360 does. 2703 01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:10,240 >> But typically 2704 01:31:10,240 --> 01:31:12,920 that's already It's part of that, you 2705 01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:13,880 know, 2706 01:31:13,880 --> 01:31:14,640 uh 2707 01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:15,640 I mean, it 2708 01:31:15,640 --> 01:31:18,520 the people that had the the land before 2709 01:31:18,520 --> 01:31:21,720 already had water, and so 2710 01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:23,000 >> Not always. 2711 01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:23,920 >> Okay, not always. 2712 01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:25,400 >> There There are times It depends on the 2713 01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:26,920 landowner. It depends on the landowner, 2714 01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:29,160 but in this case 2715 01:31:29,160 --> 01:31:30,920 they needed to get water rights through 2716 01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:31,640 the city. 2717 01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:36,470 >> Okay. 2718 01:31:36,480 --> 01:31:38,920 Any further questions for us? 2719 01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:41,920 >> So, is that is that damaging if we uh 2720 01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:43,160 can't give you the parking lots on the 2721 01:31:43,160 --> 01:31:47,150 street? 2722 01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:48,920 » What What did you ask, John? 2723 01:31:48,920 --> 01:31:51,880 >> If it was damaging to the project by not 2724 01:31:51,880 --> 01:31:53,400 being able to grant 2725 01:31:53,400 --> 01:31:55,880 >> Yeah, or or or since Ross 2726 01:31:55,880 --> 01:31:57,000 since they own the property to the 2727 01:31:57,000 --> 01:31:59,040 north, could always pick those slide the 2728 01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:00,760 whole thing. 2729 01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:03,200 >> That That way 2730 01:32:03,200 --> 01:32:04,680 bear with me here. 2731 01:32:04,680 --> 01:32:06,298 >> Oh, yeah. we got a creek in the way. 2732 01:32:06,298 --> 01:32:08,200 >> [laughter] 2733 01:32:08,200 --> 01:32:10,080 >> Okay. Thank you, Ross. 2734 01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:13,630 >> Thank you. 2735 01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:15,040 » Okay. 2736 01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:16,000 >> Are are 2737 01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:19,360 is there is there a requirement on the 2738 01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:21,400 park on the number of spaces? There's 2739 01:32:21,400 --> 01:32:23,120 not, right? 2740 01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:25,160 >> By ordinance, but it just they aren't 2741 01:32:25,160 --> 01:32:27,520 covering for visitors really, except for 2742 01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:28,880 these back parking stalls. 2743 01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:29,960 >> Yeah, but they're 2744 01:32:29,960 --> 01:32:31,360 >> It's a convenience issue, but they don't 2745 01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:33,920 need those stalls on Red Pine to meet 2746 01:32:33,920 --> 01:32:35,480 their minimum parking requirements. 2747 01:32:35,480 --> 01:32:37,739 >> Okay. 2748 01:32:37,739 --> 01:32:39,240 >> [snorts] 2749 01:32:39,240 --> 01:32:40,760 >> Okay. 2750 01:32:40,760 --> 01:32:41,680 Um, 2751 01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:43,160 just just couple guidelines remember 2752 01:32:43,160 --> 01:32:44,880 that I think 2753 01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:46,440 Kate and Craig will find wrong, but this 2754 01:32:46,440 --> 01:32:48,520 is where the land use authority on this, 2755 01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:53,280 so we are just making a motion. It's not a recommendation that 2756 01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:55,240 goes to City Council. 2757 01:32:55,240 --> 01:32:57,000 Okay, just a point of order for the 2758 01:32:57,000 --> 01:32:57,440 motion. 2759 01:32:57,440 --> 01:32:59,720 >> Moving to approve. 2760 01:32:59,720 --> 01:33:02,390 >> Yep. 2761 01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:04,520 » All right, any discussion or is anybody 2762 01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:08,440 >> So so we have parking slash 2763 01:33:08,440 --> 01:33:09,880 >> Well, I think we've got under the staff 2764 01:33:09,880 --> 01:33:11,960 recommendations that the trail location 2765 01:33:11,960 --> 01:33:13,720 needs to be determined before final plat 2766 01:33:13,720 --> 01:33:14,320 approval. 2767 01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:15,400 >> Okay. 2768 01:33:15,400 --> 01:33:17,120 >> Um, that the developer's agreement be 2769 01:33:17,120 --> 01:33:19,200 entered into with the city before final 2770 01:33:19,200 --> 01:33:21,600 plat approval, and then probably uh 2771 01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:23,720 depending on on how the motion goes with 2772 01:33:23,720 --> 01:33:27,040 the parking spaces, there there would 2773 01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:29,600 need to be an exception 2774 01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:32,240 to the off-street parking requirement 2775 01:33:32,240 --> 01:33:33,960 if you're going to allow those five 2776 01:33:33,960 --> 01:33:39,390 spaces on Red Pine. 2777 01:33:39,400 --> 01:33:40,720 » I just have a quick question for Ross. 2778 01:33:40,720 --> 01:33:42,520 How many of the lots have sold? You 2779 01:33:42,520 --> 01:33:44,480 don't have to come up, I'm just curious. 2780 01:33:44,480 --> 01:33:47,160 Has that been have they mostly sold out? 2781 01:33:47,160 --> 01:33:49,520 >> No, we haven't started to market yet cuz 2782 01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:50,400 we 2783 01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:52,960 first need to get a plan approved. And 2784 01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:54,480 then once we have that 2785 01:33:54,480 --> 01:33:55,000 >> Smart of you. 2786 01:33:55,000 --> 01:33:56,400 >> Yeah. 2787 01:33:56,400 --> 01:33:57,840 And then we have to get it developed. 2788 01:33:57,840 --> 01:33:58,640 And then point. 2789 01:33:58,640 --> 01:33:59,680 >> The way the market is 2790 01:33:59,680 --> 01:34:01,000 >> Just remind Sue that we have an 2791 01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:03,400 emoluments clause and she is not able 2792 01:34:03,400 --> 01:34:05,280 to, you know, make a condition here that 2793 01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:08,640 you give her a call about a sale. 2794 01:34:08,640 --> 01:34:09,320 >> Sorry. 2795 01:34:09,320 --> 01:34:10,480 >> Don't start. 2796 01:34:10,480 --> 01:34:15,120 >> Are on your two options of the design, are you using both or are 2797 01:34:15,120 --> 01:34:16,680 you choosing one? 2798 01:34:16,680 --> 01:34:17,160 Your 2799 01:34:17,160 --> 01:34:17,960 >> The girl in the 2800 01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:18,440 >> Yeah. 2801 01:34:18,440 --> 01:34:20,360 >> Well, the back is different, too, on 2802 01:34:20,360 --> 01:34:21,880 each of them. 2803 01:34:21,880 --> 01:34:24,000 >> We are debating. We kind of like to have 2804 01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:25,400 some uh 2805 01:34:25,400 --> 01:34:26,240 >> I need some units. 2806 01:34:26,240 --> 01:34:29,480 >> variety so it's not totally homogeneous. 2807 01:34:29,480 --> 01:34:31,800 So, it does make it easier to figure out 2808 01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:33,680 which one's your unit if you 2809 01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:34,960 >> Yeah. 2810 01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:37,560 You come home a little tired. 2811 01:34:37,560 --> 01:34:39,360 So, you are using both? 2812 01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:40,280 >> Yeah. And 2813 01:34:40,280 --> 01:34:43,590 >> Okay. Yes. 2814 01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:54,190 » Okay. Any further discussion? 2815 01:34:54,200 --> 01:34:55,520 Anybody like to make a motion? I'd 2816 01:34:55,520 --> 01:35:07,550 entertain one. 2817 01:35:07,560 --> 01:35:10,320 » What what's this What's the developer's 2818 01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:13,040 agreement to be entered into with the 2819 01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:15,200 city? What what What What agreement are 2820 01:35:15,200 --> 01:35:16,400 we talking about here? 2821 01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:18,760 >> So, yeah, per the senior housing overlay 2822 01:35:18,760 --> 01:35:21,000 zone requirements, it is required that 2823 01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:23,160 the developer enter into an enter into a 2824 01:35:23,160 --> 01:35:24,760 developer's agreement. I 2825 01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:25,000 >> Oh. 2826 01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:26,800 >> development agreement, I think is 2827 01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:27,360 same thing. 2828 01:35:27,360 --> 01:35:29,320 >> Just for the senior overlay. 2829 01:35:29,320 --> 01:35:30,880 >> Correct. Yes. 2830 01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:34,240 >> Okay. That Yeah, but that that it's that 2831 01:35:34,240 --> 01:35:35,600 and only that. 2832 01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:36,080 >> Correct. 2833 01:35:36,080 --> 01:35:38,200 >> Okay. Yep. 2834 01:35:38,200 --> 01:35:38,960 >> What? 2835 01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:40,360 >> It's good, Jeff. 2836 01:35:40,360 --> 01:35:42,440 >> Uh what We got a little powwow over 2837 01:35:42,440 --> 01:35:46,270 here. 2838 01:35:46,280 --> 01:35:49,360 » Caden, can you pull up the uh off-street 2839 01:35:49,360 --> 01:35:52,320 parking requirement? 2840 01:35:52,320 --> 01:35:54,200 And and what are the criteria to grant 2841 01:35:54,200 --> 01:35:57,470 an exception if any? 2842 01:35:57,480 --> 01:36:01,830 » Yes, it's right here in 324-060. 2843 01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:02,960 It's the same one we've looked at 2844 01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:15,030 before. These four criteria. 2845 01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:15,640 » Okay, so this 2846 01:36:15,640 --> 01:36:17,040 >> There's There's There's nothing about 2847 01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:18,240 number. 2848 01:36:18,240 --> 01:36:19,600 >> Is that what you're looking for, John? 2849 01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:20,440 >> no. 2850 01:36:20,440 --> 01:36:23,400 Two things. First, we can't grant that. 2851 01:36:23,400 --> 01:36:24,880 It has to be 2852 01:36:24,880 --> 01:36:30,470 approved by the city council. 2853 01:36:30,480 --> 01:36:31,880 » What What's the exception that we're 2854 01:36:31,880 --> 01:36:33,680 looking for? The setback? 2855 01:36:33,680 --> 01:36:36,640 >> To to to put parking in the setback. 2856 01:36:36,640 --> 01:36:38,760 >> Yeah. 2857 01:36:38,760 --> 01:36:42,120 So, is but is our land use authority 2858 01:36:42,120 --> 01:36:46,400 isn't one of the options is to 2859 01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:48,960 eliminate 2860 01:36:48,960 --> 01:36:50,760 I mean, I guess if we eliminate the 2861 01:36:50,760 --> 01:36:54,080 front ones, we still have that one stall 2862 01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:56,120 in the back that is partially 2863 01:36:56,120 --> 01:36:56,840 encroaching. 2864 01:36:56,840 --> 01:36:58,160 >> he can uh 2865 01:36:58,160 --> 01:36:59,080 move 2866 01:36:59,080 --> 01:37:00,640 >> Okay. 2867 01:37:00,640 --> 01:37:02,760 >> He can he can move that property line to 2868 01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:03,880 be com- 2869 01:37:03,880 --> 01:37:06,470 >> Okay. 2870 01:37:06,480 --> 01:37:08,000 » So, it's just the front. 2871 01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:08,440 >> Yeah. 2872 01:37:08,440 --> 01:37:11,160 >> But But I think Kadner Kadner said it or 2873 01:37:11,160 --> 01:37:13,520 John said it that again, no portion of 2874 01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:15,120 the setback area adjacent to a street 2875 01:37:15,120 --> 01:37:16,800 shall be used for off-street parking. 2876 01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:18,720 Exceptions to the off-street parking 2877 01:37:18,720 --> 01:37:21,280 location requirement may be approved by 2878 01:37:21,280 --> 01:37:23,200 the city council after recommendation. 2879 01:37:23,200 --> 01:37:24,280 So, 2880 01:37:24,280 --> 01:37:25,840 I would I would assume if we were so 2881 01:37:25,840 --> 01:37:28,920 inclined to we 2882 01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:34,440 would would we have would we because we're not sending 2883 01:37:34,440 --> 01:37:36,680 I mean, we're we're approving or not 2884 01:37:36,680 --> 01:37:39,280 approving. But if there were a setback, 2885 01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:41,040 that would have to I mean, per 2886 01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:42,240 ordinance, that's got to go to city 2887 01:37:42,240 --> 01:37:43,160 council. 2888 01:37:43,160 --> 01:37:43,560 >> Yeah. 2889 01:37:43,560 --> 01:37:45,600 >> Just say 2890 01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:47,600 ignorance on our part, 2891 01:37:47,600 --> 01:37:49,120 Let's take them off. 2892 01:37:49,120 --> 01:37:50,160 >> Okay. 2893 01:37:50,160 --> 01:37:51,960 >> Here is our mistake. 2894 01:37:51,960 --> 01:37:54,200 >> All right. Very good. 2895 01:37:54,200 --> 01:37:55,920 Makes it easy. Thank you. 2896 01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:56,320 >> Oh. 2897 01:37:56,320 --> 01:37:57,640 >> We got our sandwiches over here. 2898 01:37:57,640 --> 01:37:59,600 >> Sure. 2899 01:37:59,600 --> 01:38:01,120 >> You don't have to come up. Just Chase 2900 01:38:01,120 --> 01:38:02,080 eating. 2901 01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:03,520 >> No, we don't It's not a public hearing, 2902 01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:05,200 but we certainly don't don't want 2903 01:38:05,200 --> 01:38:06,520 somebody not be 2904 01:38:06,520 --> 01:38:07,800 Excuse me. 2905 01:38:07,800 --> 01:38:10,440 Oh, [laughter] okay. Oh, got you. 2906 01:38:10,440 --> 01:38:13,080 Oh, okay. I was going to All 2907 01:38:13,080 --> 01:38:15,760 Oh, all right. 2908 01:38:15,760 --> 01:38:17,080 >> That That is a good point though. I 2909 01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:18,560 think it might be something we have to 2910 01:38:18,560 --> 01:38:20,960 clean up in the code because you are the 2911 01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:22,880 land use authority. So, I'm not sure why 2912 01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:24,400 it would have to go to the city council. 2913 01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:25,760 >> Yeah, I don't even Yeah, I was thinking 2914 01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:27,600 how would it How does that even work? 2915 01:38:27,600 --> 01:38:28,720 So, 2916 01:38:28,720 --> 01:38:31,040 yeah. You might You might mention that 2917 01:38:31,040 --> 01:38:32,200 to the city attorney. 2918 01:38:32,200 --> 01:38:35,120 >> Yeah, but this is This is a general 2919 01:38:35,120 --> 01:38:36,520 ordinance 2920 01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:39,680 uh street parking. So, it's not we're 2921 01:38:39,680 --> 01:38:42,920 dealing with a specific land use case. 2922 01:38:42,920 --> 01:38:45,120 This is more gen- At least in my my 2923 01:38:45,120 --> 01:38:46,760 understanding, Alan, this is more 2924 01:38:46,760 --> 01:38:48,640 general 2925 01:38:48,640 --> 01:38:51,240 uh off-street parking. 2926 01:38:51,240 --> 01:38:51,760 Yeah. 2927 01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:53,360 >> Okay. Well, I think it's a moot issue 2928 01:38:53,360 --> 01:38:54,960 because it's it sounds like it's not an 2929 01:38:54,960 --> 01:38:56,640 issue. Okay? 2930 01:38:56,640 --> 01:38:58,240 All right. 2931 01:38:58,240 --> 01:38:59,960 Good clarification. Anybody interested 2932 01:38:59,960 --> 01:39:00,840 in making a motion? 2933 01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:02,120 >> Okay. 2934 01:39:02,120 --> 01:39:05,280 I I'll I'll I'll make a motion. 2935 01:39:05,280 --> 01:39:07,920 Um I move to approve the preliminary 2936 01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:10,520 applic- application of the 2937 01:39:10,520 --> 01:39:14,520 Page Senior Housing Plat A as proposed 2938 01:39:14,520 --> 01:39:17,080 with the following conditions that the 2939 01:39:17,080 --> 01:39:19,600 trail location be determined before 2940 01:39:19,600 --> 01:39:22,000 final plat approval. 2941 01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:25,160 And the developer's agreement be entered 2942 01:39:25,160 --> 01:39:27,240 into the city before final plat 2943 01:39:27,240 --> 01:39:29,040 approval. 2944 01:39:29,040 --> 01:39:31,280 And the 2945 01:39:31,280 --> 01:39:33,880 and that the additional parking spaces 2946 01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:40,280 in the back be adjusted to meet DCA 3.24 2947 01:39:40,280 --> 01:39:43,120 before final plat approval. 2948 01:39:43,120 --> 01:39:47,360 And the parking spaces in the front be 2949 01:39:47,360 --> 01:39:50,698 removed from the final design. 2950 01:39:50,698 --> 01:39:50,800 >> [snorts] 2951 01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:53,600 >> Okay, we have a a motion by Jeff Davis. 2952 01:39:53,600 --> 01:39:54,560 Do we have a second? 2953 01:39:54,560 --> 01:39:55,320 >> I'll second it. 2954 01:39:55,320 --> 01:39:56,680 >> Okay, second by Sue Wittenberg. 2955 01:39:56,680 --> 01:39:58,440 Discussion on the motion. 2956 01:39:58,440 --> 01:40:00,720 >> We don't need to address the other stall 2957 01:40:00,720 --> 01:40:02,360 on the other side of the property. 2958 01:40:02,360 --> 01:40:03,560 >> Do you get he'll just take care of that? 2959 01:40:03,560 --> 01:40:05,720 >> Well, well, he 2960 01:40:05,720 --> 01:40:07,760 Yeah, I think he he did mention it in 2961 01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:08,120 the motion. 2962 01:40:08,120 --> 01:40:10,080 >> did you Okay, didn't Okay. All right. 2963 01:40:10,080 --> 01:40:11,600 >> Do we have to keep the minor thing in 2964 01:40:11,600 --> 01:40:12,200 the [clears throat] 2965 01:40:12,200 --> 01:40:15,190 the minor red lines? 2966 01:40:15,200 --> 01:40:16,680 Does that have to be in there? 2967 01:40:16,680 --> 01:40:17,320 >> What's that? 2968 01:40:17,320 --> 01:40:19,440 >> The minor red lines that continue down 2969 01:40:19,440 --> 01:40:21,360 the creek. 2970 01:40:21,360 --> 01:40:23,800 >> Oh, oh, the last one. Any minor red 2971 01:40:23,800 --> 01:40:25,840 lines? 2972 01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:27,320 Oh. 2973 01:40:27,320 --> 01:40:29,520 I don't think you 2974 01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:32,160 Caleb, did you discuss any minor red 2975 01:40:32,160 --> 01:40:34,880 lines in your presentation? 2976 01:40:34,880 --> 01:40:35,600 >> So, 2977 01:40:35,600 --> 01:40:37,520 >> I don't recall. 2978 01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:39,920 >> I think there was just one correction on 2979 01:40:39,920 --> 01:40:42,280 the plat that that the number was just 2980 01:40:42,280 --> 01:40:43,080 incorrect. 2981 01:40:43,080 --> 01:40:43,480 >> Okay. 2982 01:40:43,480 --> 01:40:45,160 >> So, that's that's the reason that's on 2983 01:40:45,160 --> 01:40:45,520 there. 2984 01:40:45,520 --> 01:40:46,880 >> Yeah, that is minor. 2985 01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:48,160 >> Okay. 2986 01:40:48,160 --> 01:40:50,840 All right. So, we have a motion and a 2987 01:40:50,840 --> 01:40:54,350 second. Discussion? 2988 01:40:54,360 --> 01:40:58,440 Okay. All in favor, I? I. Any opposed? 2989 01:40:58,440 --> 01:41:01,240 Okay, motion passes unanimously. 2990 01:41:01,240 --> 01:41:02,480 All right, 2991 01:41:02,480 --> 01:41:03,320 um 2992 01:41:03,320 --> 01:41:05,000 Caden, not Caleb. 2993 01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:06,200 >> Caden. 2994 01:41:06,200 --> 01:41:07,640 >> Okay. 2995 01:41:07,640 --> 01:41:09,640 My mistake. 2996 01:41:09,640 --> 01:41:11,264 >> Um 2997 01:41:11,264 --> 01:41:11,640 >> [clears throat] 2998 01:41:11,640 --> 01:41:13,480 >> Sue, I thought you would enjoy me 2999 01:41:13,480 --> 01:41:17,160 reminding Jeff that he misnamed Caden. 3000 01:41:17,160 --> 01:41:18,240 That was for you. That was for your 3001 01:41:18,240 --> 01:41:20,240 benefit. Okay, you're welcome. 3002 01:41:20,240 --> 01:41:22,000 >> So, you can [snorts] poke him next to you there. 3003 01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:23,320 >> I I know better. 3004 01:41:23,320 --> 01:41:24,640 >> Okay, let's 3005 01:41:24,640 --> 01:41:25,240 uh 3006 01:41:25,240 --> 01:41:28,040 Caden, if you could introduce the final 3007 01:41:28,040 --> 01:41:30,800 action item for us, please. 3008 01:41:30,800 --> 01:41:31,520 >> Thank you, Jeff. 3009 01:41:31,520 --> 01:41:32,880 >> And don't worry about that, Jeff, cuz 3010 01:41:32,880 --> 01:41:34,800 Don Quigley has called me Caleb multiple 3011 01:41:34,800 --> 01:41:36,080 times as well, so. 3012 01:41:36,080 --> 01:41:37,040 >> Don't tell him that. 3013 01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:38,400 >> get it right. It's only Katie. 3014 01:41:38,400 --> 01:41:40,320 >> It's a common common thing I've I'm used 3015 01:41:40,320 --> 01:41:40,840 to. 3016 01:41:40,840 --> 01:41:48,350 >> Thanks for coming tonight. 3017 01:41:48,360 --> 01:41:50,640 » All right. So, this final item is 3018 01:41:50,640 --> 01:41:57,200 related to the senior housing project. 3019 01:41:57,200 --> 01:42:01,040 It is the other part of the property uh 3020 01:42:01,040 --> 01:42:04,840 of Mr. Roswell's property um 3021 01:42:04,840 --> 01:42:07,120 uh on the north side. So, the applicant 3022 01:42:07,120 --> 01:42:09,240 again is Patterson Homes. 3023 01:42:09,240 --> 01:42:11,840 This is 242 East 100 South. So, coming 3024 01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:13,840 off 100 South there. 3025 01:42:13,840 --> 01:42:17,080 This is the TR-10,000 zone. 3026 01:42:17,080 --> 01:42:20,040 The remaining acreage after the approval 3027 01:42:20,040 --> 01:42:21,360 of the senior housing, if it gets 3028 01:42:21,360 --> 01:42:24,440 approved, would be 1.53 acres. And so, 3029 01:42:24,440 --> 01:42:26,360 the proposal is to use that remaining 3030 01:42:26,360 --> 01:42:28,920 acreage for three lots 3031 01:42:28,920 --> 01:42:32,680 between 0.23 and 0.62 acres 3032 01:42:32,680 --> 01:42:36,080 for that uh for that remaining acreage. 3033 01:42:36,080 --> 01:42:39,040 So, it's on half a parcel of land owned 3034 01:42:39,040 --> 01:42:40,800 by should be Mr. Welch here, but I put 3035 01:42:40,800 --> 01:42:44,520 Patterson. Um there are stubbed road connections on the north side of 3036 01:42:44,520 --> 01:42:45,880 the parcel. 3037 01:42:45,880 --> 01:42:47,160 to the south that went 3038 01:42:47,160 --> 01:42:48,360 through the rezoning of the senior 3039 01:42:48,360 --> 01:42:50,600 housing as we've just discussed. 3040 01:42:50,600 --> 01:42:52,200 So, the 3041 01:42:52,200 --> 01:42:53,880 applicant is working with the 3042 01:42:53,880 --> 01:42:55,640 neighboring parcel to the west to allow 3043 01:42:55,640 --> 01:42:57,720 for a new cul-de-sac on this property 3044 01:42:57,720 --> 01:43:01,040 that we will look at briefly. 3045 01:43:01,040 --> 01:43:03,800 Um so, here's the vicinity map. You can 3046 01:43:03,800 --> 01:43:06,160 see it's that top part of the same same 3047 01:43:06,160 --> 01:43:08,560 parcel here. 3048 01:43:08,560 --> 01:43:10,880 Um the lot width there's no minimum lot 3049 01:43:10,880 --> 01:43:12,560 size for lots 3050 01:43:12,560 --> 01:43:13,880 uh 3051 01:43:13,880 --> 01:43:15,400 Oh. 3052 01:43:15,400 --> 01:43:17,200 That might not have been updated. 3053 01:43:17,200 --> 01:43:18,520 Apologies for that. I was still talking 3054 01:43:18,520 --> 01:43:20,000 about the senior housing. 3055 01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:22,510 Um 3056 01:43:22,520 --> 01:43:23,960 Am I on the right one? 3057 01:43:23,960 --> 01:43:24,880 >> Yeah, you are. 3058 01:43:24,880 --> 01:43:27,240 >> Oh. 3059 01:43:27,240 --> 01:43:28,720 Okay, I guess that didn't get updated. 3060 01:43:28,720 --> 01:43:30,080 Sorry about that. 3061 01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:32,440 Um but basically yeah, the lot 3062 01:43:32,440 --> 01:43:33,880 uh the use is what we've already 3063 01:43:33,880 --> 01:43:35,480 discussed. The trail would be the same 3064 01:43:35,480 --> 01:43:38,200 situation as the as the last one. 3065 01:43:38,200 --> 01:43:40,280 Um, the main concern on this one would 3066 01:43:40,280 --> 01:43:43,240 be the roads. Um, so the proposed 3067 01:43:43,240 --> 01:43:45,160 cul-de-sac for these three lots is only 3068 01:43:45,160 --> 01:43:47,640 meeting half the requirements um, for 3069 01:43:47,640 --> 01:43:50,560 the cul-de-sac development. Uh, and 3070 01:43:50,560 --> 01:43:53,240 that's because it's what's on the uh, at 3071 01:43:53,240 --> 01:43:58,200 the proposed change of property. So, um, 3072 01:43:58,200 --> 01:44:01,520 we I think, uh, we're assuming that they 3073 01:44:01,520 --> 01:44:03,080 the applicant is 3074 01:44:03,080 --> 01:44:04,960 assuming that the neighboring property 3075 01:44:04,960 --> 01:44:06,520 will take on the responsibility of 3076 01:44:06,520 --> 01:44:07,600 finishing out the full width 3077 01:44:07,600 --> 01:44:09,400 requirements when it develops, if it 3078 01:44:09,400 --> 01:44:10,520 does. 3079 01:44:10,520 --> 01:44:12,160 So, the applicant and neighboring parcel 3080 01:44:12,160 --> 01:44:13,200 need to go through an exchange of 3081 01:44:13,200 --> 01:44:14,680 property or receiving approval on the 3082 01:44:14,680 --> 01:44:16,760 boundary line adjustment for the 3083 01:44:16,760 --> 01:44:19,320 possibility of the cul-de-sac. Uh, when 3084 01:44:19,320 --> 01:44:20,960 doing the adjustment, staff recommends 3085 01:44:20,960 --> 01:44:22,400 that the boundary adjusted meet the 3086 01:44:22,400 --> 01:44:24,280 right-of-way requirements of cul-de-sacs 3087 01:44:24,280 --> 01:44:25,840 in the code. 3088 01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:27,640 Um, because if it's not, then it will be 3089 01:44:27,640 --> 01:44:29,720 have to be re- readjusted later through 3090 01:44:29,720 --> 01:44:31,480 a plat amendment. 3091 01:44:31,480 --> 01:44:33,280 So, that was the the main thing we 3092 01:44:33,280 --> 01:44:34,640 noticed there. 3093 01:44:34,640 --> 01:44:36,600 And then, just the other is the same as 3094 01:44:36,600 --> 01:44:38,760 the the last one, provide Alpine 3095 01:44:38,760 --> 01:44:42,680 irrigation water shares to satisfy the city's water requirements. 3096 01:44:42,680 --> 01:44:44,680 >> So, so, Kaden, just a quick question on 3097 01:44:44,680 --> 01:44:46,720 that and and just pardon my ignorance, 3098 01:44:46,720 --> 01:44:49,120 but, um, this isn't a cart before the 3099 01:44:49,120 --> 01:44:51,080 horse situation. I mean, shouldn't, for 3100 01:44:51,080 --> 01:44:52,560 example, 3101 01:44:52,560 --> 01:44:54,120 should that already take place with the 3102 01:44:54,120 --> 01:44:57,400 neighbor before this comes to us or 3103 01:44:57,400 --> 01:45:00,080 it just seems odd that we're kind of 3104 01:45:00,080 --> 01:45:04,440 making the the Mhm. I mean, 3105 01:45:04,440 --> 01:45:07,560 >> Yeah, I think it could be done that way 3106 01:45:07,560 --> 01:45:09,280 because this is preliminary plat plat 3107 01:45:09,280 --> 01:45:10,800 approval and this applicant's been 3108 01:45:10,800 --> 01:45:12,120 waiting for a long time to get this in 3109 01:45:12,120 --> 01:45:13,920 front of you. We determined that it 3110 01:45:13,920 --> 01:45:15,800 would be fine to to bring this to you 3111 01:45:15,800 --> 01:45:18,560 that's to see the plan. Um, but 3112 01:45:18,560 --> 01:45:20,400 obviously, it couldn't be done without 3113 01:45:20,400 --> 01:45:22,160 that boundary line adjustment. 3114 01:45:22,160 --> 01:45:23,600 >> So, so, you're bringing it you're 3115 01:45:23,600 --> 01:45:25,040 bringing it before us, but it is a 3116 01:45:25,040 --> 01:45:25,880 condition. 3117 01:45:25,880 --> 01:45:27,000 >> Yeah. 3118 01:45:27,000 --> 01:45:27,680 >> Correct. 3119 01:45:27,680 --> 01:45:30,040 >> I think that's 3120 01:45:30,040 --> 01:45:31,240 >> Ross, you have a comment? 3121 01:45:31,240 --> 01:45:32,920 >> Mhm. 3122 01:45:32,920 --> 01:45:34,680 I think we're good. 3123 01:45:34,680 --> 01:45:35,560 Take your time. 3124 01:45:35,560 --> 01:45:37,320 >> Should we go ahead and and if go ahead 3125 01:45:37,320 --> 01:45:38,880 and finish your your presentation? 3126 01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:40,160 >> Yeah, and I know the applicant has 3127 01:45:40,160 --> 01:45:40,800 talked to us 3128 01:45:40,800 --> 01:45:41,400 >> on that one. 3129 01:45:41,400 --> 01:45:42,840 >> Yeah, the applicant has talked to us 3130 01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:44,320 about that they've already been in 3131 01:45:44,320 --> 01:45:45,800 contact with the neighboring property 3132 01:45:45,800 --> 01:45:48,680 and that they're working to do that. 3133 01:45:48,680 --> 01:45:50,040 Um 3134 01:45:50,040 --> 01:45:51,520 and so 3135 01:45:51,520 --> 01:45:53,080 because of that as well, we determined 3136 01:45:53,080 --> 01:45:54,600 that it would be fine to come as as a 3137 01:45:54,600 --> 01:45:57,600 preliminary approval today. 3138 01:45:57,600 --> 01:45:59,200 So, just to finish this up, yeah, the 3139 01:45:59,200 --> 01:46:02,200 findings would be that it complies with 3140 01:46:02,200 --> 01:46:05,320 the TR 10,000 zone. Um the all the new 3141 01:46:05,320 --> 01:46:07,040 building footprints that are proposed do 3142 01:46:07,040 --> 01:46:09,600 not include areas of floodway. 3143 01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:11,480 Um they may include areas of the flood 3144 01:46:11,480 --> 01:46:14,320 zone and require additional approval 3145 01:46:14,320 --> 01:46:16,320 from from FEMA and that this should be a 3146 01:46:16,320 --> 01:46:18,560 note on the plat. 3147 01:46:18,560 --> 01:46:23,800 Um and it meets all requirements of the exception to the ordinance as 3148 01:46:23,800 --> 01:46:25,040 long as they are able to do that 3149 01:46:25,040 --> 01:46:27,240 boundary line adjustment. 3150 01:46:27,240 --> 01:46:29,520 So, our full recommendation would be to 3151 01:46:29,520 --> 01:46:32,040 approve the preliminary plan with the 3152 01:46:32,040 --> 01:46:33,920 conditions that the trail be determined 3153 01:46:33,920 --> 01:46:35,480 as the last one that the same as the 3154 01:46:35,480 --> 01:46:36,600 last 3155 01:46:36,600 --> 01:46:38,840 application. A boundary adjustment be 3156 01:46:38,840 --> 01:46:40,200 completed between the applicant and the 3157 01:46:40,200 --> 01:46:41,440 neighboring property that allows the 3158 01:46:41,440 --> 01:46:43,120 full size of the right away before final 3159 01:46:43,120 --> 01:46:45,160 plat approval. 3160 01:46:45,160 --> 01:46:47,000 The plat includes a plat note dedicating 3161 01:46:47,000 --> 01:46:48,480 the proposed public streets to Alpine 3162 01:46:48,480 --> 01:46:49,920 City. 3163 01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:51,520 The plat includes a plat note that says 3164 01:46:51,520 --> 01:46:52,760 that any building footprints in the 3165 01:46:52,760 --> 01:46:54,400 flood zone require additional approval 3166 01:46:54,400 --> 01:46:57,470 from FEMA. 3167 01:46:57,480 --> 01:46:58,920 » Okay, can you just clear something up 3168 01:46:58,920 --> 01:47:01,320 for me, too? Then, on the lot width, 3169 01:47:01,320 --> 01:47:03,960 area, and shape, there was a mistake in 3170 01:47:03,960 --> 01:47:05,880 our packet cuz you 3171 01:47:05,880 --> 01:47:07,280 indicate here there's no minimum lot 3172 01:47:07,280 --> 01:47:09,360 size for lots in the senior housing 3173 01:47:09,360 --> 01:47:10,680 overlay 3174 01:47:10,680 --> 01:47:14,200 zone. So, this is not this So, each of 3175 01:47:14,200 --> 01:47:16,360 these lots, there's what, three? 3176 01:47:16,360 --> 01:47:16,720 >> Three. 3177 01:47:16,720 --> 01:47:18,920 >> Okay. Yes, and they all do meet the lot 3178 01:47:18,920 --> 01:47:20,000 width requirements. 3179 01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:22,040 >> my I see that one's 10,000 and change. 3180 01:47:22,040 --> 01:47:22,440 10,000. 3181 01:47:22,440 --> 01:47:24,040 >> Yeah, sorry. I guess in the in the 3182 01:47:24,040 --> 01:47:25,520 shuffle of putting this packet together 3183 01:47:25,520 --> 01:47:25,920 that 3184 01:47:25,920 --> 01:47:27,760 >> And and the other two are okay. 3185 01:47:27,760 --> 01:47:29,520 >> Yes, they do all meet the lot right with 3186 01:47:29,520 --> 01:47:31,760 requirements here alongside the 3187 01:47:31,760 --> 01:47:33,520 cul-de-sac right away. 3188 01:47:33,520 --> 01:47:34,480 Yep. 3189 01:47:34,480 --> 01:47:37,920 >> Yeah, and and before we next month when 3190 01:47:37,920 --> 01:47:40,360 we approve all of this, 3191 01:47:40,360 --> 01:47:42,960 probably ought to fix fix that. So 3192 01:47:42,960 --> 01:47:44,320 >> Yeah. 3193 01:47:44,320 --> 01:47:48,070 That will be updated. 3194 01:47:48,080 --> 01:47:50,040 Right, so 3195 01:47:50,040 --> 01:47:52,440 let me just show So this is the Let me 3196 01:47:52,440 --> 01:47:54,040 jump to actually the plat. This is one 3197 01:47:54,040 --> 01:47:56,840 of the pages in the plat packet. 3198 01:47:56,840 --> 01:48:06,950 Let me go to the actual plat. 3199 01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:09,680 Maybe that's a little too small. 3200 01:48:09,680 --> 01:48:12,640 So here's the actual plat. 3201 01:48:12,640 --> 01:48:15,120 Um this is only three lots. A minor 3202 01:48:15,120 --> 01:48:17,840 subdivision in our code allows for three 3203 01:48:17,840 --> 01:48:19,760 lots or less to be just city staff 3204 01:48:19,760 --> 01:48:20,840 approval. 3205 01:48:20,840 --> 01:48:22,440 But because of the new cul-de-sac 3206 01:48:22,440 --> 01:48:24,200 proposed, that's why it's coming before 3207 01:48:24,200 --> 01:48:25,920 you today. 3208 01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:27,840 >> Okay. 3209 01:48:27,840 --> 01:48:29,640 Yeah, I was wondering why that was the 3210 01:48:29,640 --> 01:48:31,000 case. So great. 3211 01:48:31,000 --> 01:48:33,200 So it's just because of that cul-de-sac. 3212 01:48:33,200 --> 01:48:35,680 >> Correct. And what I was discussing in 3213 01:48:35,680 --> 01:48:38,400 the packet above is um a cul-de-sac 3214 01:48:38,400 --> 01:48:41,200 requires a 60-ft 3215 01:48:41,200 --> 01:48:44,120 uh radius, so 120 across the entirety of 3216 01:48:44,120 --> 01:48:44,960 the turnaround. 3217 01:48:44,960 --> 01:48:46,160 >> Yeah. 3218 01:48:46,160 --> 01:48:48,160 >> And so we noticed they're maybe a maybe 3219 01:48:48,160 --> 01:48:49,960 a little short here. 3220 01:48:49,960 --> 01:48:53,720 Um the right-of-way distance here should be 3221 01:48:53,720 --> 01:48:56,440 54 ft. They have 27 on this side, so 3222 01:48:56,440 --> 01:48:57,800 that meets that half, but then it's 3223 01:48:57,800 --> 01:49:00,080 obviously too short on this side. 3224 01:49:00,080 --> 01:49:01,560 Again, that's probably because they're 3225 01:49:01,560 --> 01:49:03,920 expecting that when this southern 3226 01:49:03,920 --> 01:49:05,360 property or 3227 01:49:05,360 --> 01:49:07,400 to them the western property develops 3228 01:49:07,400 --> 01:49:09,160 that they'll they'll finish out that 3229 01:49:09,160 --> 01:49:10,240 right-of-way. 3230 01:49:10,240 --> 01:49:11,720 But because they'll need to do that 3231 01:49:11,720 --> 01:49:13,120 boundary line adjustment anyway to 3232 01:49:13,120 --> 01:49:16,000 adjust this bold property line, 3233 01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:18,200 the staff recommends that they just do 3234 01:49:18,200 --> 01:49:20,040 it according to the right-of-way 3235 01:49:20,040 --> 01:49:21,960 requirements for a cul-de-sac at that 3236 01:49:21,960 --> 01:49:23,520 time. If that makes sense. 3237 01:49:23,520 --> 01:49:28,200 >> Well, at that at that time. Okay. 3238 01:49:28,200 --> 01:49:29,840 And is that just a vacant lot right now 3239 01:49:29,840 --> 01:49:31,480 or just dirt? There's not a home or 3240 01:49:31,480 --> 01:49:32,720 anything in there that needs to be 3241 01:49:32,720 --> 01:49:36,040 adjusted with the current owner? 3242 01:49:36,040 --> 01:49:37,440 >> The property to the west are you talking 3243 01:49:37,440 --> 01:49:38,560 about, Commissioner? 3244 01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:39,600 >> Where you 3245 01:49:39,600 --> 01:49:42,520 the south side or the bottom side of the 3246 01:49:42,520 --> 01:49:43,160 cul-de-sac. 3247 01:49:43,160 --> 01:49:45,000 >> Yeah, I believe so. Yeah, 3248 01:49:45,000 --> 01:49:52,870 the up There is a home there. Okay. 3249 01:49:52,880 --> 01:49:57,870 » Yeah, there there is a home back there. 3250 01:49:57,880 --> 01:49:59,640 » And I believe that's all I have. If you 3251 01:49:59,640 --> 01:50:02,040 have any other questions, feel free to 3252 01:50:02,040 --> 01:50:03,640 let me know. 3253 01:50:03,640 --> 01:50:05,640 Okay. 3254 01:50:05,640 --> 01:50:07,280 >> So, I go down to page 3255 01:50:07,280 --> 01:50:10,120 83. Is that 83? 3256 01:50:10,120 --> 01:50:14,950 84. Is that where it's showing the home? 3257 01:50:14,960 --> 01:50:17,240 » What I was trying to find out if it 3258 01:50:17,240 --> 01:50:20,800 put them out of compliance in any way. 3259 01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:21,600 It's back further. 3260 01:50:21,600 --> 01:50:24,480 >> Yeah, it's back it's back four. 3261 01:50:24,480 --> 01:50:25,960 >> And you can see these dash lines here. 3262 01:50:25,960 --> 01:50:27,160 These are 3263 01:50:27,160 --> 01:50:29,040 potential opportunities for this 3264 01:50:29,040 --> 01:50:30,960 property owner to subdivide in the 3265 01:50:30,960 --> 01:50:34,550 future. Yeah. 3266 01:50:34,560 --> 01:50:40,390 » Maintaining that front distance, right? 3267 01:50:40,400 --> 01:50:41,440 » Yeah, that's right. 3268 01:50:41,440 --> 01:50:43,910 >> Yeah. 3269 01:50:43,920 --> 01:50:46,040 It's pretty small on that cul-de-sac. 3270 01:50:46,040 --> 01:50:48,560 Does it Does that meet Does that meet 3271 01:50:48,560 --> 01:50:53,320 their requirements on that big parcel? 3272 01:50:53,320 --> 01:50:55,520 In the cul-de-sac, that little front. 3273 01:50:55,520 --> 01:50:57,640 Not that one, keep going or that. Yeah, 3274 01:50:57,640 --> 01:50:59,680 keep going all the way. That one right 3275 01:50:59,680 --> 01:51:00,640 there. 3276 01:51:00,640 --> 01:51:05,230 Is that Is that big enough? 3277 01:51:05,240 --> 01:51:09,430 On the Yeah, right there. 3278 01:51:09,440 --> 01:51:11,040 » That's a good question. I'm not sure. We 3279 01:51:11,040 --> 01:51:12,120 haven't investigated [clears throat] 3280 01:51:12,120 --> 01:51:13,480 fully the 3281 01:51:13,480 --> 01:51:15,720 this proposal cuz it's still again it's 3282 01:51:15,720 --> 01:51:16,720 in 3283 01:51:16,720 --> 01:51:18,000 hasn't been a 3284 01:51:18,000 --> 01:51:21,870 proposed at all as an application. 3285 01:51:21,880 --> 01:51:24,040 » Yeah, um 3286 01:51:24,040 --> 01:51:29,040 Can Berg at the required front yard setback, it 3287 01:51:29,040 --> 01:51:30,040 meets the 90 ft. 3288 01:51:30,040 --> 01:51:32,640 >> Oh, it does. Okay, that's 90 ft. Okay. 3289 01:51:32,640 --> 01:51:34,160 >> On the cul-de-sac, you don't measure 3290 01:51:34,160 --> 01:51:35,880 right at the cul-de-sac. You measure at 3291 01:51:35,880 --> 01:51:37,960 the at the setback. So, that's why it 3292 01:51:37,960 --> 01:51:38,400 widens out. 3293 01:51:38,400 --> 01:51:41,040 >> Okay. Okay. 3294 01:51:41,040 --> 01:51:43,200 >> And then we we show the right of way 3295 01:51:43,200 --> 01:51:47,160 line or our proposed plat boundary 3296 01:51:47,160 --> 01:51:48,640 um 3297 01:51:48,640 --> 01:51:51,520 behind the curb and gutter. So, you have 3298 01:51:51,520 --> 01:51:53,840 all the street improvements for the 3299 01:51:53,840 --> 01:51:57,560 cul-de-sac. We have just not 3300 01:51:57,560 --> 01:52:00,760 proposed building the sidewalk 3301 01:52:00,760 --> 01:52:01,280 >> Sure. 3302 01:52:01,280 --> 01:52:03,400 >> there along the adjoining property 3303 01:52:03,400 --> 01:52:03,920 owners side. 3304 01:52:03,920 --> 01:52:04,240 >> Sure. 3305 01:52:04,240 --> 01:52:05,160 >> Yeah. 3306 01:52:05,160 --> 01:52:06,720 >> Okay. 3307 01:52:06,720 --> 01:52:08,520 >> For this point, that was kind of what we 3308 01:52:08,520 --> 01:52:10,280 negotiated 3309 01:52:10,280 --> 01:52:11,960 with the property owner. So, you can 3310 01:52:11,960 --> 01:52:13,960 make the cul-de-sac functions, the 3311 01:52:13,960 --> 01:52:15,800 roadway functions. 3312 01:52:15,800 --> 01:52:17,560 If you go to back to that first page, 3313 01:52:17,560 --> 01:52:20,160 that's why we drew in the proposed 3314 01:52:20,160 --> 01:52:21,320 sidewalk. 3315 01:52:21,320 --> 01:52:21,720 >> Okay. 3316 01:52:21,720 --> 01:52:23,400 >> You know, so you can see that it ends at 3317 01:52:23,400 --> 01:52:23,840 the end of the 3318 01:52:23,840 --> 01:52:24,680 >> Okay, sure. 3319 01:52:24,680 --> 01:52:25,880 >> 103. 3320 01:52:25,880 --> 01:52:26,240 >> Yeah. 3321 01:52:26,240 --> 01:52:28,960 >> And then we show the the trail 3322 01:52:28,960 --> 01:52:31,080 portion there along 3323 01:52:31,080 --> 01:52:33,720 101 and 102 being full. 3324 01:52:33,720 --> 01:52:34,280 >> Okay. 3325 01:52:34,280 --> 01:52:35,600 >> You know, there's no planter there. It's 3326 01:52:35,600 --> 01:52:36,320 just all sidewalk. 3327 01:52:36,320 --> 01:52:37,400 >> Yeah. Okay. 3328 01:52:37,400 --> 01:52:39,880 >> So, regardless of what happens with the 3329 01:52:39,880 --> 01:52:42,360 adjoining property 3330 01:52:42,360 --> 01:52:45,440 >> There's no half weird cul-de-sac. 3331 01:52:45,440 --> 01:52:47,400 >> It'll be fully 3332 01:52:47,400 --> 01:52:50,040 60 ft 120 ft diameter 3333 01:52:50,040 --> 01:52:51,000 on the on the 3334 01:52:51,000 --> 01:52:53,640 >> The right of way will not be We we were 3335 01:52:53,640 --> 01:53:01,830 short on the right of way there, but the roadway asphalt will 3336 01:53:01,840 --> 01:53:04,120 The cul-de-sac will function. He the 3337 01:53:04,120 --> 01:53:06,200 adjoining property owner, as you can see 3338 01:53:06,200 --> 01:53:08,040 on the grading plan, 3339 01:53:08,040 --> 01:53:10,160 we were also negotiated a grading 3340 01:53:10,160 --> 01:53:14,160 easement for him. He didn't want 3341 01:53:14,160 --> 01:53:16,280 He wanted to maintain as much of his 3342 01:53:16,280 --> 01:53:18,800 property 3343 01:53:18,800 --> 01:53:21,160 without impacts that he's using right 3344 01:53:21,160 --> 01:53:21,680 now. 3345 01:53:21,680 --> 01:53:22,080 >> Sure. 3346 01:53:22,080 --> 01:53:24,560 >> And so we started the grading 3347 01:53:24,560 --> 01:53:26,560 on the back of the curve instead of 3348 01:53:26,560 --> 01:53:27,840 another 3349 01:53:27,840 --> 01:53:31,080 10 ft into his property to construct the 3350 01:53:31,080 --> 01:53:31,960 sidewalk. 3351 01:53:31,960 --> 01:53:32,840 >> Okay. 3352 01:53:32,840 --> 01:53:34,320 >> That was his concern. That was a 3353 01:53:34,320 --> 01:53:36,520 concession that he asked and 3354 01:53:36,520 --> 01:53:37,600 that's what we're proposing. 3355 01:53:37,600 --> 01:53:39,560 >> Okay. 3356 01:53:39,560 --> 01:53:42,360 Can I interject here, Ken? Um can you 3357 01:53:42,360 --> 01:53:44,320 just So 3358 01:53:44,320 --> 01:53:46,160 property lines are a foot behind 3359 01:53:46,160 --> 01:53:47,760 sidewalk. 3360 01:53:47,760 --> 01:53:49,800 So if they ever do develop this, they're 3361 01:53:49,800 --> 01:53:51,240 going to have to come in and do a plat 3362 01:53:51,240 --> 01:53:54,280 amendment and change all that anyway. So 3363 01:53:54,280 --> 01:53:55,640 why not do it right now? 3364 01:53:55,640 --> 01:53:57,680 >> when they develop, they will have to 3365 01:53:57,680 --> 01:54:00,960 dedicate the rest of that right-of-way 3366 01:54:00,960 --> 01:54:03,760 when they dedicate their lots 3367 01:54:03,760 --> 01:54:05,080 as well. 3368 01:54:05,080 --> 01:54:05,520 >> So they'll 3369 01:54:05,520 --> 01:54:07,800 >> So they have to do a subdivision 3370 01:54:07,800 --> 01:54:08,720 >> plat map 3371 01:54:08,720 --> 01:54:09,400 >> anyway. 3372 01:54:09,400 --> 01:54:10,360 >> Yeah. 3373 01:54:10,360 --> 01:54:14,400 >> So they'll have a pub they'll have their small portion 3374 01:54:14,400 --> 01:54:16,400 of a public road 3375 01:54:16,400 --> 01:54:18,280 dedication that we do the sidewalk. 3376 01:54:18,280 --> 01:54:18,680 >> Okay. 3377 01:54:18,680 --> 01:54:20,800 >> Would that Would that work, Jason? 3378 01:54:20,800 --> 01:54:22,280 >> It yes, it it will. 3379 01:54:22,280 --> 01:54:22,880 >> Yeah. 3380 01:54:22,880 --> 01:54:25,680 >> It we just figured why not do it now. 3381 01:54:25,680 --> 01:54:27,960 >> And we proposed that but that was part 3382 01:54:27,960 --> 01:54:32,320 of his uh I want to maintain as much of 3383 01:54:32,320 --> 01:54:34,200 my property 3384 01:54:34,200 --> 01:54:35,800 as as he has it. 3385 01:54:35,800 --> 01:54:36,800 >> Okay. 3386 01:54:36,800 --> 01:54:40,030 >> Yeah, that's fine. 3387 01:54:40,040 --> 01:54:40,680 » Okay. 3388 01:54:40,680 --> 01:54:42,760 >> And just to clarify, this is a straight 3389 01:54:42,760 --> 01:54:44,800 line right now. 3390 01:54:44,800 --> 01:54:45,160 >> Yeah. 3391 01:54:45,160 --> 01:54:46,320 >> And so that's why the whole boundary 3392 01:54:46,320 --> 01:54:48,480 line adjustment topic has been brought 3393 01:54:48,480 --> 01:54:50,240 up that they need to adjust that 3394 01:54:50,240 --> 01:54:52,400 boundary or else if they do get approval 3395 01:54:52,400 --> 01:54:56,120 for this, 3396 01:54:56,120 --> 01:54:57,600 I mean, this property will have an 3397 01:54:57,600 --> 01:54:59,200 adjusted boundary without any 3398 01:54:59,200 --> 01:55:00,600 improvements and so 3399 01:55:00,600 --> 01:55:01,600 >> it doesn't work. 3400 01:55:01,600 --> 01:55:01,920 >> Yeah. 3401 01:55:01,920 --> 01:55:03,240 >> Right. 3402 01:55:03,240 --> 01:55:07,430 >> Okay. 3403 01:55:07,440 --> 01:55:09,760 Um 3404 01:55:09,760 --> 01:55:10,520 Uh 3405 01:55:10,520 --> 01:55:12,800 Jason, Cayden, anything else? 3406 01:55:12,800 --> 01:55:14,040 On this? 3407 01:55:14,040 --> 01:55:15,240 Okay. 3408 01:55:15,240 --> 01:55:17,240 Um does anybody have any further 3409 01:55:17,240 --> 01:55:20,600 questions for Ken or Ross before we 3410 01:55:20,600 --> 01:55:25,310 discuss? 3411 01:55:25,320 --> 01:55:26,200 » I don't care if you don't have a 3412 01:55:26,200 --> 01:55:27,920 question, I got a comment. 3413 01:55:27,920 --> 01:55:28,600 >> So, [laughter] 3414 01:55:28,600 --> 01:55:31,240 Ross Welch again. 3415 01:55:31,240 --> 01:55:33,320 I love the idea that this could be Ross 3416 01:55:33,320 --> 01:55:35,880 Welch's property. Unfortunately, I am 3417 01:55:35,880 --> 01:55:38,480 not in that financial situation. 3418 01:55:38,480 --> 01:55:39,000 >> So, 3419 01:55:39,000 --> 01:55:40,720 >> Cayden, I just represent Patterson 3420 01:55:40,720 --> 01:55:41,760 Homes. 3421 01:55:41,760 --> 01:55:43,440 And um 3422 01:55:43,440 --> 01:55:45,640 on this project, 3423 01:55:45,640 --> 01:55:47,720 I would love to say we have a written 3424 01:55:47,720 --> 01:55:50,440 agreement. We have a verbal agreement. 3425 01:55:50,440 --> 01:55:52,840 We're getting it done in writing. 3426 01:55:52,840 --> 01:55:55,360 There's been a land swap done. The 3427 01:55:55,360 --> 01:55:58,720 existing land owner to our west realizes 3428 01:55:58,720 --> 01:56:00,600 the benefit that's happening that in the 3429 01:56:00,600 --> 01:56:02,760 future could easily be subdivided in 3430 01:56:02,760 --> 01:56:05,040 three and five. We will stub utilities 3431 01:56:05,040 --> 01:56:06,600 to That's part of the arrangement. We'll 3432 01:56:06,600 --> 01:56:08,720 stub utilities to the three. 3433 01:56:08,720 --> 01:56:11,520 That's why we kind of diagram them out. 3434 01:56:11,520 --> 01:56:14,160 Uh but in the interim, he preferred not 3435 01:56:14,160 --> 01:56:16,120 to have a sidewalk because he doesn't 3436 01:56:16,120 --> 01:56:18,360 want that public. We are putting a 3437 01:56:18,360 --> 01:56:21,880 privacy fence along there to 3438 01:56:21,880 --> 01:56:24,880 help him maintain his privacy for 3439 01:56:24,880 --> 01:56:27,680 to that point he decides to subdivide. 3440 01:56:27,680 --> 01:56:29,040 So, I just wanted to clarify that. 3441 01:56:29,040 --> 01:56:30,240 >> Okay. 3442 01:56:30,240 --> 01:56:32,120 >> Yeah, I'm guessing we'll we'll we'll 3443 01:56:32,120 --> 01:56:43,230 just make comments in our motion, right? 3444 01:56:43,240 --> 01:56:44,640 Yeah. 3445 01:56:44,640 --> 01:56:44,920 >> Well, 3446 01:56:44,920 --> 01:56:46,680 >> Yeah, I I mean I suppose it's a it's a 3447 01:56:46,680 --> 01:56:49,440 timing issue where there there's 3448 01:56:49,440 --> 01:56:51,480 conditions and requirements that we put 3449 01:56:51,480 --> 01:56:53,400 on the approval. 3450 01:56:53,400 --> 01:56:54,040 >> Yeah, exactly. 3451 01:56:54,040 --> 01:56:55,400 >> they're ultimately not able to work 3452 01:56:55,400 --> 01:56:56,440 those out, then 3453 01:56:56,440 --> 01:56:57,040 >> Yeah. 3454 01:56:57,040 --> 01:56:57,880 >> there is no 3455 01:56:57,880 --> 01:56:59,760 >> what I'm saying. it doesn't go forward. 3456 01:56:59,760 --> 01:57:01,000 >> Yeah. 3457 01:57:01,000 --> 01:57:02,320 Staff has done a [snorts] good job 3458 01:57:02,320 --> 01:57:03,000 identifying 3459 01:57:03,000 --> 01:57:03,960 >> Yeah, I think so. 3460 01:57:03,960 --> 01:57:05,080 >> I agree. 3461 01:57:05,080 --> 01:57:06,040 >> Okay. 3462 01:57:06,040 --> 01:57:06,640 Um 3463 01:57:06,640 --> 01:57:08,200 any further questions, discussion 3464 01:57:08,200 --> 01:57:12,510 points, clarifications? 3465 01:57:12,520 --> 01:57:15,080 » Mr. Landowner's hesitancy again about 3466 01:57:15,080 --> 01:57:17,120 signing it off, why don't you have 3467 01:57:17,120 --> 01:57:18,560 something 3468 01:57:18,560 --> 01:57:19,920 in writing? 3469 01:57:19,920 --> 01:57:21,840 What's his hesitancy? 3470 01:57:21,840 --> 01:57:23,760 >> Because because Ross apparently isn't 3471 01:57:23,760 --> 01:57:25,880 doing a very good job getting any 3472 01:57:25,880 --> 01:57:27,600 signatures on the piece of paper, so 3473 01:57:27,600 --> 01:57:29,400 Sue's thanks for really nailing him on 3474 01:57:29,400 --> 01:57:30,960 that. 3475 01:57:30,960 --> 01:57:33,120 >> No, I just sometimes, you know, you 3476 01:57:33,120 --> 01:57:35,741 don't want to be sorry. 3477 01:57:35,741 --> 01:57:43,000 >> [laughter] 3478 01:57:43,000 --> 01:57:44,800 >> Oh, we Oh, we like we like to blame Will 3479 01:57:44,800 --> 01:57:47,000 for everything, for sure. 3480 01:57:47,000 --> 01:57:47,280 Okay. 3481 01:57:47,280 --> 01:57:50,000 >> Okay, I'm just saying. I'm I'm old 3482 01:57:50,000 --> 01:57:50,480 school. 3483 01:57:50,480 --> 01:57:52,160 >> Sue's always gets right to the heart of 3484 01:57:52,160 --> 01:57:53,040 the matter. 3485 01:57:53,040 --> 01:57:54,360 >> I do. 3486 01:57:54,360 --> 01:57:55,200 Want to see it done right. 3487 01:57:55,200 --> 01:57:56,280 >> Okay. 3488 01:57:56,280 --> 01:57:56,600 Um 3489 01:57:56,600 --> 01:57:58,120 >> That's just me. 3490 01:57:58,120 --> 01:58:00,120 >> Sue, do you got a motion for us then? 3491 01:58:00,120 --> 01:58:01,640 >> Come on. 3492 01:58:01,640 --> 01:58:02,200 >> Okay. 3493 01:58:02,200 --> 01:58:03,040 >> I'm not going to do one. 3494 01:58:03,040 --> 01:58:05,240 >> Any other brave soul? 3495 01:58:05,240 --> 01:58:06,360 >> Greg, you got one? 3496 01:58:06,360 --> 01:58:08,491 >> I already done one and it failed. 3497 01:58:08,491 --> 01:58:08,960 >> [laughter] 3498 01:58:08,960 --> 01:58:12,160 >> Oh, come on. Come on. 3499 01:58:12,160 --> 01:58:15,080 Hey, there's no There's no hard feelings 3500 01:58:15,080 --> 01:58:15,696 here. 3501 01:58:15,696 --> 01:58:18,430 >> [laughter] 3502 01:58:18,440 --> 01:58:20,281 » We've all been there. 3503 01:58:20,281 --> 01:58:20,520 >> [laughter] 3504 01:58:20,520 --> 01:58:21,880 >> Left stranded. 3505 01:58:21,880 --> 01:58:23,320 >> Yeah, except Sue's. 3506 01:58:23,320 --> 01:58:24,480 >> Page, can you bring the motions up, 3507 01:58:24,480 --> 01:58:25,400 please? 3508 01:58:25,400 --> 01:58:29,070 >> I'm going [clears throat] to throw up. 3509 01:58:29,080 --> 01:58:30,520 » But to answer your question, worst case 3510 01:58:30,520 --> 01:58:31,600 scenario, he just doesn't get it 3511 01:58:31,600 --> 01:58:32,240 approved. 3512 01:58:32,240 --> 01:58:33,960 >> Yeah. 3513 01:58:33,960 --> 01:58:35,000 >> Not subdivided. 3514 01:58:35,000 --> 01:58:37,280 >> That's right. 3515 01:58:37,280 --> 01:58:39,240 >> Yeah, and that's that's why we can put 3516 01:58:39,240 --> 01:58:42,552 that those stipulations in the motion. 3517 01:58:42,552 --> 01:58:42,840 >> [snorts] 3518 01:58:42,840 --> 01:58:44,560 >> Get it in writing. 3519 01:58:44,560 --> 01:58:45,400 >> There you go. 3520 01:58:45,400 --> 01:58:46,080 >> Go for it. 3521 01:58:46,080 --> 01:58:47,792 >> You're the one who's asking. 3522 01:58:47,792 --> 01:58:50,990 >> [clears throat] 3523 01:58:51,000 --> 01:58:53,120 » All right, I move to approve the 3524 01:58:53,120 --> 01:58:55,480 preliminary application of of the Page 3525 01:58:55,480 --> 01:58:57,520 Court Plat A 3526 01:58:57,520 --> 01:58:59,560 with the following conditions: 3527 01:58:59,560 --> 01:59:01,840 the trail location be determined before 3528 01:59:01,840 --> 01:59:05,200 final plat approval. 3529 01:59:05,200 --> 01:59:08,470 >> Marla, did you get that? 3530 01:59:08,480 --> 01:59:10,560 » Sorry, I'll do it again. 3531 01:59:10,560 --> 01:59:12,160 Uh I move to approve the preliminary 3532 01:59:12,160 --> 01:59:15,240 application of the Page Court Plat A 3533 01:59:15,240 --> 01:59:16,960 subject to the following conditions: 3534 01:59:16,960 --> 01:59:18,560 that the trail location be determined 3535 01:59:18,560 --> 01:59:21,040 before final plat approval, 3536 01:59:21,040 --> 01:59:22,920 a boundary adjustment be completed 3537 01:59:22,920 --> 01:59:24,160 between the applicant and the 3538 01:59:24,160 --> 01:59:25,760 neighboring property that allows the 3539 01:59:25,760 --> 01:59:28,480 full size of the right-of-way before 3540 01:59:28,480 --> 01:59:30,520 final plat approval, 3541 01:59:30,520 --> 01:59:34,480 the plat includes a plat note dedicated 3542 01:59:34,480 --> 01:59:36,990 uh 3543 01:59:37,000 --> 01:59:38,120 » Sorry, dedicating 3544 01:59:38,120 --> 01:59:41,920 >> dedicating the proposed public street to 3545 01:59:41,920 --> 01:59:45,480 Alpine City, that the plat and final 3546 01:59:45,480 --> 01:59:47,800 and finally that the plat 3547 01:59:47,800 --> 01:59:50,000 includes a plat note that says that any 3548 01:59:50,000 --> 01:59:53,240 building footprints into the flood zone 3549 01:59:53,240 --> 01:59:58,030 um what's AE? 3550 01:59:58,040 --> 02:00:00,640 » That's just a type of flood zone that 3551 02:00:00,640 --> 02:00:02,440 this would be in. 3552 02:00:02,440 --> 02:00:05,720 >> into flood zone AE require additional 3553 02:00:05,720 --> 02:00:07,120 approval from FEMA. 3554 02:00:07,120 --> 02:00:12,390 >> Yeah. 3555 02:00:12,400 --> 02:00:14,120 » Okay, um 3556 02:00:14,120 --> 02:00:16,440 okay, did we get everything in that 3557 02:00:16,440 --> 02:00:17,520 I wasn't sure if there's anything that 3558 02:00:17,520 --> 02:00:21,400 came up in discussion that wasn't on the 3559 02:00:21,400 --> 02:00:25,200 proposal. Okay, we have a motion by John 3560 02:00:25,200 --> 02:00:26,200 McKnight. Do we have a second? 3561 02:00:26,200 --> 02:00:27,280 >> Yeah, I'll second it. 3562 02:00:27,280 --> 02:00:29,240 >> Second from Jeff Davis. Discussion on 3563 02:00:29,240 --> 02:00:32,190 the motion. 3564 02:00:32,200 --> 02:00:33,480 All in favor, I. 3565 02:00:33,480 --> 02:00:34,480 >> I. 3566 02:00:34,480 --> 02:00:35,160 >> Any opposed? 3567 02:00:35,160 --> 02:00:36,280 >> I got one. 3568 02:00:36,280 --> 02:00:37,480 >> We want to go home, Ross. 3569 02:00:37,480 --> 02:00:39,080 >> I do, too. 3570 02:00:39,080 --> 02:00:40,760 When somebody says I, you just kind of 3571 02:00:40,760 --> 02:00:41,920 >> You just sit down. 3572 02:00:41,920 --> 02:00:45,160 >> I know, but the motion had one 3573 02:00:45,160 --> 02:00:46,920 I can't comply with, 3574 02:00:46,920 --> 02:00:47,280 >> Okay. 3575 02:00:47,280 --> 02:00:50,800 >> Which is the full right-of-way at 3576 02:00:50,800 --> 02:00:53,640 recording of the plat or final plat. I 3577 02:00:53,640 --> 02:00:56,400 can give you a full road. 3578 02:00:56,400 --> 02:00:58,000 But I can't give the right-of-way on the 3579 02:00:58,000 --> 02:01:00,680 neighbor's property for the sidewalk. 3580 02:01:00,680 --> 02:01:01,520 Right? 3581 02:01:01,520 --> 02:01:03,120 >> I don't think we're asking I don't think 3582 02:01:03,120 --> 02:01:03,560 we're 3583 02:01:03,560 --> 02:01:04,720 >> Well, that's you said a full 3584 02:01:04,720 --> 02:01:06,400 right-of-way. 3585 02:01:06,400 --> 02:01:09,600 So, just as long as we say it's the 3586 02:01:09,600 --> 02:01:14,160 >> Oh, that that Okay, yeah, you're you're right. So, we we would have to we 3587 02:01:14,160 --> 02:01:15,720 you'd probably have to 3588 02:01:15,720 --> 02:01:18,280 amend amend that. 3589 02:01:18,280 --> 02:01:19,720 So, so So, 3590 02:01:19,720 --> 02:01:20,440 >> So, 3591 02:01:20,440 --> 02:01:21,800 >> if I can jump in, sorry. I think the 3592 02:01:21,800 --> 02:01:24,080 intent is to say that the boundary 3593 02:01:24,080 --> 02:01:26,520 adjustment allow for the full size of 3594 02:01:26,520 --> 02:01:28,120 the right-of-way. 3595 02:01:28,120 --> 02:01:29,720 Not that the applicant has to complete 3596 02:01:29,720 --> 02:01:30,920 the full right-of-way. 3597 02:01:30,920 --> 02:01:32,400 >> No. 3598 02:01:32,400 --> 02:01:34,760 The boundary is for 3599 02:01:34,760 --> 02:01:37,600 the full road access, 3600 02:01:37,600 --> 02:01:39,800 which is all we need to comply with. 3601 02:01:39,800 --> 02:01:42,680 We're not giving the city it's part of 3602 02:01:42,680 --> 02:01:43,880 the 3603 02:01:43,880 --> 02:01:45,600 Yeah, we're doing basically the 3604 02:01:45,600 --> 02:01:47,960 requirement of a 3605 02:01:47,960 --> 02:01:49,240 road 3606 02:01:49,240 --> 02:01:50,920 asphalt. 3607 02:01:50,920 --> 02:01:51,360 Yeah. 3608 02:01:51,360 --> 02:01:53,000 >> Curb curb and gutter, right? 3609 02:01:53,000 --> 02:01:54,280 >> Yes. 3610 02:01:54,280 --> 02:01:56,120 >> For the three new homes, and then it's 3611 02:01:56,120 --> 02:01:58,280 up to the personal owner of the property 3612 02:01:58,280 --> 02:01:59,640 now to get 3613 02:01:59,640 --> 02:02:00,720 the other stuff approved. 3614 02:02:00,720 --> 02:02:01,920 >> Well, it it'll be curb and gutter for 3615 02:02:01,920 --> 02:02:03,280 all six lots. 3616 02:02:03,280 --> 02:02:04,640 >> Yes. 3617 02:02:04,640 --> 02:02:06,680 Right now. I mean, when you when you 3618 02:02:06,680 --> 02:02:09,310 build 3619 02:02:09,320 --> 02:02:11,320 » So, that's my concern. It'd be great if 3620 02:02:11,320 --> 02:02:12,040 he was here. 3621 02:02:12,040 --> 02:02:14,360 >> But the right-of-way goes into the 3622 02:02:14,360 --> 02:02:16,080 median strip for the sidewalk. 3623 02:02:16,080 --> 02:02:16,760 >> Yeah. 3624 02:02:16,760 --> 02:02:19,040 >> And that's what they're not 3625 02:02:19,040 --> 02:02:20,640 >> They they they want to make sure they're 3626 02:02:20,640 --> 02:02:22,200 not held to that. 3627 02:02:22,200 --> 02:02:24,640 Yeah, I agree. So, it seems to me like 3628 02:02:24,640 --> 02:02:26,200 we have to make a 3629 02:02:26,200 --> 02:02:31,750 an amendment to the motion. 3630 02:02:31,760 --> 02:02:33,520 » I just wish the land owner the land 3631 02:02:33,520 --> 02:02:35,040 owner was here. 3632 02:02:35,040 --> 02:02:35,680 Just so 3633 02:02:35,680 --> 02:02:38,040 >> Okay. So, let me think through Robert's 3634 02:02:38,040 --> 02:02:40,280 Rules here, damn it. 3635 02:02:40,280 --> 02:02:41,280 Um 3636 02:02:41,280 --> 02:02:42,920 okay. [clears throat] So, we've got a 3637 02:02:42,920 --> 02:02:44,800 motion. 3638 02:02:44,800 --> 02:02:47,480 >> It was seconded by Jeff Davis. 3639 02:02:47,480 --> 02:02:48,120 >> Yep. 3640 02:02:48,120 --> 02:02:50,720 >> Um, then upon discussion, it appears 3641 02:02:50,720 --> 02:02:53,640 that there needs to be, um, 3642 02:02:53,640 --> 02:02:54,840 an amendment. 3643 02:02:54,840 --> 02:02:56,039 >> voted on it. 3644 02:02:56,039 --> 02:02:56,200 >> [laughter] 3645 02:02:56,200 --> 02:02:57,080 >> Uh, what's that? 3646 02:02:57,080 --> 02:02:58,800 >> You forgot that we actually voted on it. 3647 02:02:58,800 --> 02:03:00,625 >> Yeah, um, 3648 02:03:00,625 --> 02:03:00,800 >> [clears throat] 3649 02:03:00,800 --> 02:03:01,280 >> Never done that. 3650 02:03:01,280 --> 02:03:02,840 >> Well, we didn't quite get through the 3651 02:03:02,840 --> 02:03:04,000 vote. So, 3652 02:03:04,000 --> 02:03:05,920 >> It what It didn't get counted. 3653 02:03:05,920 --> 02:03:07,880 >> No, no. So, um, 3654 02:03:07,880 --> 02:03:08,840 >> rescind that vote. 3655 02:03:08,840 --> 02:03:10,440 >> Yeah, so we will rescind the vote 3656 02:03:10,440 --> 02:03:12,560 because the vote was not completed 3657 02:03:12,560 --> 02:03:15,800 because there was an objection to the 3658 02:03:15,800 --> 02:03:17,440 marriage 3659 02:03:17,440 --> 02:03:20,160 from the cheap seats. So, 3660 02:03:20,160 --> 02:03:22,240 um, okay. So, let's just assume that 3661 02:03:22,240 --> 02:03:25,920 we've got a motion and 3662 02:03:25,920 --> 02:03:29,720 uh, a second, and then in in discussion, 3663 02:03:29,720 --> 02:03:32,040 uh, there arose an issue with the 3664 02:03:32,040 --> 02:03:35,995 language of the right-of-way. So, um, 3665 02:03:35,995 --> 02:03:36,280 >> [clears throat] 3666 02:03:36,280 --> 02:03:40,040 >> Jeff, are you okay with us taking with 3667 02:03:40,040 --> 02:03:42,960 John taking a moment and amending the 3668 02:03:42,960 --> 02:03:45,480 motion with respect to the right-of-way 3669 02:03:45,480 --> 02:03:46,160 language? 3670 02:03:46,160 --> 02:03:46,560 >> Yes. 3671 02:03:46,560 --> 02:03:47,680 >> Okay. 3672 02:03:47,680 --> 02:03:49,280 Um, John, do you understand the 3673 02:03:49,280 --> 02:03:51,280 objection and do you have language that 3674 02:03:51,280 --> 02:03:53,920 would that would likewise accommodate 3675 02:03:53,920 --> 02:03:56,920 the concerns of the city? 3676 02:03:56,920 --> 02:03:58,400 To amend your motion with respect to the 3677 02:03:58,400 --> 02:04:05,350 right-of-way. 3678 02:04:05,360 --> 02:04:08,040 Or, Caden, could you suggest language 3679 02:04:08,040 --> 02:04:09,480 that accommodates the city? 3680 02:04:09,480 --> 02:04:12,000 >> than a little the right-of-way as shown 3681 02:04:12,000 --> 02:04:14,600 on that plat, right? That shows the 3682 02:04:14,600 --> 02:04:17,720 right-of-way of the property 3683 02:04:17,720 --> 02:04:19,200 right there. 3684 02:04:19,200 --> 02:04:22,320 That That That adjustment is done in 3685 02:04:22,320 --> 02:04:25,720 accordance with this exhibit type thing. 3686 02:04:25,720 --> 02:04:28,320 >> Okay, what what what page are we on? 3687 02:04:28,320 --> 02:04:29,360 >> 92. 3688 02:04:29,360 --> 02:04:32,750 okay. 3689 02:04:32,760 --> 02:04:35,760 So, bring bring the, uh, 3690 02:04:35,760 --> 02:04:36,840 motion. 3691 02:04:36,840 --> 02:04:39,520 There we go, okay. 3692 02:04:39,520 --> 02:04:42,440 so [snorts] we are amending 3693 02:04:42,440 --> 02:04:43,840 our uh 3694 02:04:43,840 --> 02:04:45,280 approval 3695 02:04:45,280 --> 02:04:48,200 just just to say that 3696 02:04:48,200 --> 02:04:50,280 the boundary adjustment to be completed 3697 02:04:50,280 --> 02:04:51,640 between the applicant and the 3698 02:04:51,640 --> 02:04:53,920 neighboring property 3699 02:04:53,920 --> 02:04:56,360 shall reflect 3700 02:04:56,360 --> 02:04:58,800 that 3701 02:04:58,800 --> 02:05:00,800 right of way shown 3702 02:05:00,800 --> 02:05:04,590 on page 92 3703 02:05:04,600 --> 02:05:06,840 of the in the uh 3704 02:05:06,840 --> 02:05:10,110 meeting packet. 3705 02:05:10,120 --> 02:05:10,400 » Sure. 3706 02:05:10,400 --> 02:05:13,920 >> Uh okay, Jeff, do you accept the 3707 02:05:13,920 --> 02:05:14,680 uh amendment? 3708 02:05:14,680 --> 02:05:17,400 >> Yeah, it's it's not specific, but we can 3709 02:05:17,400 --> 02:05:19,320 go off of that and the language is 3710 02:05:19,320 --> 02:05:21,040 there, so yes, that's fine. 3711 02:05:21,040 --> 02:05:23,360 >> Okay, we have a motion by John McKay, an 3712 02:05:23,360 --> 02:05:25,760 amended motion by John McKay, and a 3713 02:05:25,760 --> 02:05:31,310 second by Jeff Davis. Any discussion? 3714 02:05:31,320 --> 02:05:33,320 » Do we know the landowner? Can we know 3715 02:05:33,320 --> 02:05:35,440 the landowner's name? 3716 02:05:35,440 --> 02:05:36,600 >> Well, it's on there, it's on the 3717 02:05:36,600 --> 02:05:38,000 >> owned by the Devys. 3718 02:05:38,000 --> 02:05:39,520 >> Last name was Devy, I think. It's still 3719 02:05:39,520 --> 02:05:40,440 owned by the Devys. 3720 02:05:40,440 --> 02:05:45,190 >> Is it What is Which Devy is it? 3721 02:05:45,200 --> 02:05:48,280 » Well, Ryan Devy lives there. His dad, 3722 02:05:48,280 --> 02:05:49,160 Lee Devy 3723 02:05:49,160 --> 02:05:49,960 >> Yeah. 3724 02:05:49,960 --> 02:05:54,040 >> It's his estate. It's Lee's estate. 3725 02:05:54,040 --> 02:05:55,360 And Lee's 3726 02:05:55,360 --> 02:05:55,880 passed away. 3727 02:05:55,880 --> 02:05:58,360 >> Yeah. 3728 02:05:58,360 --> 02:06:00,520 So, Ryan lives there. 3729 02:06:00,520 --> 02:06:01,640 And so it's part of the estate. 3730 02:06:01,640 --> 02:06:03,200 >> not Does he own it? 3731 02:06:03,200 --> 02:06:03,560 >> No. 3732 02:06:03,560 --> 02:06:04,560 it's 3733 02:06:04,560 --> 02:06:05,800 >> He doesn't own it, though. 3734 02:06:05,800 --> 02:06:07,840 >> Yeah, the family the estate, it's the 3735 02:06:07,840 --> 02:06:11,070 trust. 3736 02:06:11,080 --> 02:06:12,400 » So, basically we're saying they've got 3737 02:06:12,400 --> 02:06:14,440 to get all that in writing. 3738 02:06:14,440 --> 02:06:14,800 >> Yeah. 3739 02:06:14,800 --> 02:06:15,720 >> That's kind of what we're saying. 3740 02:06:15,720 --> 02:06:18,080 >> How old's Ryan? 3741 02:06:18,080 --> 02:06:19,747 Oh, really? How old is he? 3742 02:06:19,747 --> 02:06:19,800 >> [laughter] 3743 02:06:19,800 --> 02:06:20,320 >> How old is he? 3744 02:06:20,320 --> 02:06:21,160 >> Yeah. 3745 02:06:21,160 --> 02:06:24,280 >> Uh I would guess I'm around 47, 3746 02:06:24,280 --> 02:06:28,510 maybe. 3747 02:06:28,520 --> 02:06:30,520 » Is the concern it's in a family trust, 3748 02:06:30,520 --> 02:06:32,080 it's not going to ever be approved, and 3749 02:06:32,080 --> 02:06:33,880 it's going to be ugly without it being 3750 02:06:33,880 --> 02:06:35,080 finished with sidewalk. 3751 02:06:35,080 --> 02:06:37,200 >> trust could get sideways with each other 3752 02:06:37,200 --> 02:06:37,920 about stuff? 3753 02:06:37,920 --> 02:06:39,480 >> Right, but if but 3754 02:06:39,480 --> 02:06:39,720 >> get 3755 02:06:39,720 --> 02:06:41,240 >> But but but I think the whole point is 3756 02:06:41,240 --> 02:06:42,840 that I mean 3757 02:06:42,840 --> 02:06:44,360 ultimately 3758 02:06:44,360 --> 02:06:47,840 Pattersons and Ross will work with 3759 02:06:47,840 --> 02:06:49,160 the owners 3760 02:06:49,160 --> 02:06:51,320 and and to come to accommodation, or 3761 02:06:51,320 --> 02:06:53,200 they won't. And in the case that they 3762 02:06:53,200 --> 02:06:54,880 don't, then they don't meet the 3763 02:06:54,880 --> 02:06:56,840 conditions, then the project doesn't go 3764 02:06:56,840 --> 02:06:57,320 forward. 3765 02:06:57,320 --> 02:06:57,760 >> Exactly. 3766 02:06:57,760 --> 02:06:59,560 >> It's merely preliminary plat approval 3767 02:06:59,560 --> 02:07:00,960 subject to these conditions. 3768 02:07:00,960 --> 02:07:02,600 >> why he's hesitant. 3769 02:07:02,600 --> 02:07:04,160 If that's all been talked about. 3770 02:07:04,160 --> 02:07:07,640 >> Well, no, it's just it's 3771 02:07:07,640 --> 02:07:09,120 >> What? What is it? 3772 02:07:09,120 --> 02:07:10,838 >> Uh may 3773 02:07:10,838 --> 02:07:11,200 >> [laughter] 3774 02:07:11,200 --> 02:07:12,040 >> All right, so I'll 3775 02:07:12,040 --> 02:07:15,280 >> Is that I mean, is that relevant to our our our motion? 3776 02:07:15,280 --> 02:07:16,520 >> sure. Do you want me to put this on the 3777 02:07:16,520 --> 02:07:17,160 record? 3778 02:07:17,160 --> 02:07:17,720 >> Not really. 3779 02:07:17,720 --> 02:07:18,440 >> I don't understand why. 3780 02:07:18,440 --> 02:07:19,720 >> I I don't know. I don't think we need 3781 02:07:19,720 --> 02:07:21,120 to. I don't think we need to. 3782 02:07:21,120 --> 02:07:23,000 >> Don't we just need a written 3783 02:07:23,000 --> 02:07:23,640 thing? 3784 02:07:23,640 --> 02:07:25,600 >> No, I I mean I mean I think I think it's 3785 02:07:25,600 --> 02:07:28,200 between the applicant and the the the 3786 02:07:28,200 --> 02:07:30,720 landowner, and and not not 3787 02:07:30,720 --> 02:07:31,320 >> Not us. 3788 02:07:31,320 --> 02:07:32,080 >> Yeah, not us. 3789 02:07:32,080 --> 02:07:33,120 >> It's not my fight. 3790 02:07:33,120 --> 02:07:35,200 >> Okay, we have a 3791 02:07:35,200 --> 02:07:36,800 amended motion 3792 02:07:36,800 --> 02:07:39,720 and a second on the motion. Any 3793 02:07:39,720 --> 02:07:41,920 discussion? 3794 02:07:41,920 --> 02:07:44,160 Okay, all in favor, I. I. 3795 02:07:44,160 --> 02:07:45,840 Any opposed? 3796 02:07:45,840 --> 02:07:48,320 Okay, motion passes unanimously. 3797 02:07:48,320 --> 02:07:50,920 Okay, thanks to all concerned. 3798 02:07:50,920 --> 02:07:54,550 We appreciate it. 3799 02:07:54,560 --> 02:07:55,720 Okay, 3800 02:07:55,720 --> 02:07:58,040 we are down to communications. Anybody 3801 02:07:58,040 --> 02:07:59,640 have a have communications to bring 3802 02:07:59,640 --> 02:08:02,000 before the commission? 3803 02:08:02,000 --> 02:08:05,640 >> The only thing I was going to say 3804 02:08:05,640 --> 02:08:08,520 and you know, Spencer this is 3805 02:08:08,520 --> 02:08:12,960 for Spencer's benefit, but Utah code 3806 02:08:12,960 --> 02:08:17,000 specifically states that cities cannot 3807 02:08:17,000 --> 02:08:18,360 pass 3808 02:08:18,360 --> 02:08:24,400 ordinances that disallow the sale of guns. 3809 02:08:24,400 --> 02:08:28,080 So, we couldn't as a city go, "Uh, we do 3810 02:08:28,080 --> 02:08:29,560 not allow that." 3811 02:08:29,560 --> 02:08:31,360 That's actually illegal. 3812 02:08:31,360 --> 02:08:32,240 >> Yeah. 3813 02:08:32,240 --> 02:08:34,600 I I think the only issue was 3814 02:08:34,600 --> 02:08:36,440 is there some type of ordinance about 3815 02:08:36,440 --> 02:08:38,400 the sale of guns within a certain number 3816 02:08:38,400 --> 02:08:41,440 of feet of a preschool or Okay. 3817 02:08:41,440 --> 02:08:42,840 >> There's not There's not at the state 3818 02:08:42,840 --> 02:08:44,000 level. 3819 02:08:44,000 --> 02:08:46,040 Alpine doesn't have it. There isn't at a 3820 02:08:46,040 --> 02:08:47,880 state level. And there's not at a 3821 02:08:47,880 --> 02:08:49,200 federal level, 3822 02:08:49,200 --> 02:08:53,160 either. So, it at all three levels that that does not exist. 3823 02:08:53,160 --> 02:08:54,360 >> Okay. Thank you, counselor. 3824 02:08:54,360 --> 02:08:56,880 >> So, and I and I only bring it up because 3825 02:08:56,880 --> 02:08:59,560 people called me prior to this meeting 3826 02:08:59,560 --> 02:09:01,720 very concerned. 3827 02:09:01,720 --> 02:09:02,960 So, 3828 02:09:02,960 --> 02:09:05,520 um so, you know, 3829 02:09:05,520 --> 02:09:07,680 the commissioner should know that by 3830 02:09:07,680 --> 02:09:09,640 state law, we cannot do that. 3831 02:09:09,640 --> 02:09:10,520 >> Okay. 3832 02:09:10,520 --> 02:09:11,320 That's actually a very good 3833 02:09:11,320 --> 02:09:13,080 clarification. Thank you. 3834 02:09:13,080 --> 02:09:14,840 >> Oh, and one more thing, if you want. 3835 02:09:14,840 --> 02:09:17,760 >> I would I would love one more thing. 3836 02:09:17,760 --> 02:09:20,760 >> On on the on the flood plain, 3837 02:09:20,760 --> 02:09:23,480 the the AE the E's the engineered. So, 3838 02:09:23,480 --> 02:09:26,440 it's actually been engineered. So, to 3839 02:09:26,440 --> 02:09:29,000 check, you know, for that for that flood 3840 02:09:29,000 --> 02:09:29,720 plain. 3841 02:09:29,720 --> 02:09:30,040 >> Okay. 3842 02:09:30,040 --> 02:09:30,880 >> So, 3843 02:09:30,880 --> 02:09:33,040 >> it is actually it's very awesome that we 3844 02:09:33,040 --> 02:09:35,240 have one of the premier water experts 3845 02:09:35,240 --> 02:09:37,280 sitting on our commission, actually. It 3846 02:09:37,280 --> 02:09:38,640 is very helpful. Thank you, Jeff. We do 3847 02:09:38,640 --> 02:09:39,360 appreciate that, actually. 3848 02:09:39,360 --> 02:09:40,520 >> Tomorrow night's meeting, we should all 3849 02:09:40,520 --> 02:09:42,480 go to that. Because we should tell Russ 3850 02:09:42,480 --> 02:09:43,560 we don't have any water. 3851 02:09:43,560 --> 02:09:45,920 >> You could You could come, yeah. Yeah, 3852 02:09:45,920 --> 02:09:47,160 come to our water meeting tomorrow 3853 02:09:47,160 --> 02:09:47,440 night. 3854 02:09:47,440 --> 02:09:49,160 >> All right. Further communications. 3855 02:09:49,160 --> 02:09:50,560 >> So, just one more thing. I've got a lot 3856 02:09:50,560 --> 02:09:52,160 of stuff going in my neighborhood with 3857 02:09:52,160 --> 02:09:55,560 that the just off of 3858 02:09:55,560 --> 02:09:58,280 As you go down at at the end of Thinking 3859 02:09:58,280 --> 02:10:00,240 North, Bob's Mountain Drive, that's all 3860 02:10:00,240 --> 02:10:02,040 going to go now into those subdivisions. 3861 02:10:02,040 --> 02:10:03,280 Remember when we had all that 3862 02:10:03,280 --> 02:10:04,640 discussion? 3863 02:10:04,640 --> 02:10:07,040 I just looked at the new plan, and I I 3864 02:10:07,040 --> 02:10:08,800 have so many people calling me about 3865 02:10:08,800 --> 02:10:10,120 this. I can't even go on the trails 3866 02:10:10,120 --> 02:10:11,960 without being stopped. I I mean, it's 3867 02:10:11,960 --> 02:10:14,160 just a concern. I just think we need to 3868 02:10:14,160 --> 02:10:17,600 maybe make sure we revisit just like 3869 02:10:17,600 --> 02:10:20,520 when when we moved there, we had to give 3870 02:10:20,520 --> 02:10:23,480 up so much like a big chunk of our yard, 3871 02:10:23,480 --> 02:10:25,360 because it's on a trail. So, they're 3872 02:10:25,360 --> 02:10:27,520 trying to reroute with this new with 3873 02:10:27,520 --> 02:10:29,200 this new developer, 3874 02:10:29,200 --> 02:10:31,360 and they need to be sure that they when 3875 02:10:31,360 --> 02:10:33,240 somebody's on a city trail, they have to 3876 02:10:33,240 --> 02:10:35,720 be able to give some space. And I just 3877 02:10:35,720 --> 02:10:37,360 haven't I want to find out who I've 3878 02:10:37,360 --> 02:10:39,440 talked to Breezy, but who else is Maybe 3879 02:10:39,440 --> 02:10:41,200 Marla can help me, but that probably 3880 02:10:41,200 --> 02:10:43,480 should be given to this developer. 3881 02:10:43,480 --> 02:10:45,880 >> If Marla's on, she might have heard you. 3882 02:10:45,880 --> 02:10:47,320 >> Yeah. Well, I've been talking to her 3883 02:10:47,320 --> 02:10:48,920 this week about it anyway, because 3884 02:10:48,920 --> 02:10:50,720 they're trying to I have so many people 3885 02:10:50,720 --> 02:10:52,400 that are so sick about what's happening 3886 02:10:52,400 --> 02:10:55,520 to the trails up there. So, technically, 3887 02:10:55,520 --> 02:10:57,200 they did post a sign that said you're 3888 02:10:57,200 --> 02:10:58,760 now entering private property. They've 3889 02:10:58,760 --> 02:10:59,960 been kind of let us cut through, but 3890 02:10:59,960 --> 02:11:01,680 that's the only access that the people 3891 02:11:01,680 --> 02:11:04,400 on that side of the town can get over to 3892 02:11:04,400 --> 02:11:06,200 Lambert Park. So, if they're going to 3893 02:11:06,200 --> 02:11:07,280 they said, "Oh, we're putting a road in 3894 02:11:07,280 --> 02:11:10,400 along the little ditch." But the people if 3895 02:11:10,400 --> 02:11:12,120 they're buttoning up against that, they 3896 02:11:12,120 --> 02:11:14,280 have to give like everybody else has to 3897 02:11:14,280 --> 02:11:16,520 a city trail, and I don't think that's 3898 02:11:16,520 --> 02:11:17,775 known right now, cuz the developer 3899 02:11:17,775 --> 02:11:18,480 [snorts] 3900 02:11:18,480 --> 02:11:21,040 kind of changed the the way 3901 02:11:21,040 --> 02:11:24,640 So, anyway, if we who should I really 3902 02:11:24,640 --> 02:11:26,040 talk to about that? I said, "I'm going 3903 02:11:26,040 --> 02:11:27,760 to talk to my little friends here and 3904 02:11:27,760 --> 02:11:28,360 see." 3905 02:11:28,360 --> 02:11:31,360 >> Well, um I I I I don't exactly know. I 3906 02:11:31,360 --> 02:11:32,440 mean, I I 3907 02:11:32,440 --> 02:11:33,040 >> There's our trail here. 3908 02:11:33,040 --> 02:11:34,360 >> It hasn't come before us, but I would 3909 02:11:34,360 --> 02:11:36,160 think that it was if you talked to Will 3910 02:11:36,160 --> 02:11:37,840 Jones or Breezy Anson. 3911 02:11:37,840 --> 02:11:40,080 >> And they got the authority to 3912 02:11:40,080 --> 02:11:41,840 >> Well, I think they have a lot of the 3913 02:11:41,840 --> 02:11:44,080 information for you on that. It's not 3914 02:11:44,080 --> 02:11:45,520 anything that that's It's not anything 3915 02:11:45,520 --> 02:11:47,160 come before us, nothing I know about. 3916 02:11:47,160 --> 02:11:50,400 >> them your email. You're welcome. 3917 02:11:50,400 --> 02:11:52,800 No, but you'll probably That's helpful. 3918 02:11:52,800 --> 02:11:54,040 Um anyway, just that's just 3919 02:11:54,040 --> 02:11:55,520 >> K- Kayden, you have a thought that if uh 3920 02:11:55,520 --> 02:11:57,440 who who would be the contact person at 3921 02:11:57,440 --> 02:11:59,240 the city if there's any questions about 3922 02:11:59,240 --> 02:11:59,800 trails? 3923 02:11:59,800 --> 02:12:01,360 >> and for me and Shane. 3924 02:12:01,360 --> 02:12:02,360 >> Okay. 3925 02:12:02,360 --> 02:12:03,920 Thanks for Thanks for 3926 02:12:03,920 --> 02:12:05,360 >> Let the record reflect that if anybody 3927 02:12:05,360 --> 02:12:08,600 has issues or questions about a trail in 3928 02:12:08,600 --> 02:12:10,200 Alpine City that currently the people to 3929 02:12:10,200 --> 02:12:13,520 talk to are Shane Sorenson and or Kayden 3930 02:12:13,520 --> 02:12:15,040 Lyon. 3931 02:12:15,040 --> 02:12:15,960 Or Sue Wittenberg. 3932 02:12:15,960 --> 02:12:16,320 >> That's right. 3933 02:12:16,320 --> 02:12:17,200 >> When they see her on the trail. 3934 02:12:17,200 --> 02:12:18,240 >> Apparently, that's who they're talking 3935 02:12:18,240 --> 02:12:19,080 to. 3936 02:12:19,080 --> 02:12:19,720 >> All right. Any 3937 02:12:19,720 --> 02:12:22,240 >> further communications? 3938 02:12:22,240 --> 02:12:22,960 >> Our next [clears throat] planning 3939 02:12:22,960 --> 02:12:26,200 commission is on July 7th. Or yes. 3940 02:12:26,200 --> 02:12:27,040 >> That's correct. 3941 02:12:27,040 --> 02:12:28,516 >> Okay. So we have minutes that 3942 02:12:28,516 --> 02:12:29,440 [clears throat] we need to and I think 3943 02:12:29,440 --> 02:12:31,480 we've got several meetings worth of 3944 02:12:31,480 --> 02:12:34,000 minutes that we need to approve. So has 3945 02:12:34,000 --> 02:12:35,920 anybody gone through those minutes and 3946 02:12:35,920 --> 02:12:37,120 prepared to make a motion? 3947 02:12:37,120 --> 02:12:39,080 >> year's last week's or last two weeks of 3948 02:12:39,080 --> 02:12:40,040 >> Okay. Well, do we need to go through 3949 02:12:40,040 --> 02:12:41,320 these one at a time? Why don't we Why 3950 02:12:41,320 --> 02:12:42,360 don't we do them one at a time? Let's 3951 02:12:42,360 --> 02:12:44,000 first go through the minutes of March 3952 02:12:44,000 --> 02:12:47,480 31st, 20 26. 3953 02:12:47,480 --> 02:12:49,960 And um has somebody reviewed those 3954 02:12:49,960 --> 02:12:51,440 minutes for accuracy and can we have a 3955 02:12:51,440 --> 02:12:54,240 motion on those minutes from March 31st, 3956 02:12:54,240 --> 02:12:55,320 2025? 3957 02:12:55,320 --> 02:12:57,040 >> I move to approve the minutes from the 3958 02:12:57,040 --> 02:12:58,200 planning commission meeting held on 3959 02:12:58,200 --> 02:13:03,080 March 31st, 2026 as written. 3960 02:13:03,080 --> 02:13:05,160 >> Oh. Okay. Oh, yeah. Sorry. I didn't have 3961 02:13:05,160 --> 02:13:07,840 my glasses on. My bad. That is 2026. 3962 02:13:07,840 --> 02:13:09,360 Okay. We have a motion to approve the 3963 02:13:09,360 --> 02:13:12,120 minutes of March 31st, 2026. Do we have 3964 02:13:12,120 --> 02:13:13,000 a second? 3965 02:13:13,000 --> 02:13:13,920 >> I'll second it. 3966 02:13:13,920 --> 02:13:15,160 >> Okay. All in favor? 3967 02:13:15,160 --> 02:13:15,560 >> I agree. 3968 02:13:15,560 --> 02:13:16,360 >> I. 3969 02:13:16,360 --> 02:13:17,600 >> Sorry. Let the record reflect that 3970 02:13:17,600 --> 02:13:18,720 Michelle 3971 02:13:18,720 --> 02:13:21,080 seconded that motion. Okay. Uh next we 3972 02:13:21,080 --> 02:13:23,800 have minutes from June 2nd, 2026. Has 3973 02:13:23,800 --> 02:13:25,800 anybody reviewed those minutes and would 3974 02:13:25,800 --> 02:13:27,080 they like to make a motion? 3975 02:13:27,080 --> 02:13:28,760 >> I move that those are accurate from June 3976 02:13:28,760 --> 02:13:30,160 2nd, 2026. 3977 02:13:30,160 --> 02:13:31,520 >> Okay. We have a motion to approve the 3978 02:13:31,520 --> 02:13:33,920 minutes from June 2nd, 2026 by Sue's 3979 02:13:33,920 --> 02:13:35,880 Wittenberg. Do we have a second? 3980 02:13:35,880 --> 02:13:36,720 >> I'll yeah. 3981 02:13:36,720 --> 02:13:39,120 >> Second by John McKay. All in favor? 3982 02:13:39,120 --> 02:13:40,440 I. 3983 02:13:40,440 --> 02:13:42,200 Uh finally we have minutes from June 3984 02:13:42,200 --> 02:13:43,560 3rd, 3985 02:13:43,560 --> 02:13:44,720 2026. 3986 02:13:44,720 --> 02:13:46,120 >> I don't know if that was yesterday or 3987 02:13:46,120 --> 02:13:47,000 last 3988 02:13:47,000 --> 02:13:47,800 >> It was the 3989 02:13:47,800 --> 02:13:49,040 very next day. 3990 02:13:49,040 --> 02:13:51,000 >> This was the special work session. 3991 02:13:51,000 --> 02:13:51,760 >> Yes. 3992 02:13:51,760 --> 02:13:52,840 >> Okay. So 3993 02:13:52,840 --> 02:13:54,200 >> this coming to the planning commission 3994 02:13:54,200 --> 02:13:56,720 and not city council? 3995 02:13:56,720 --> 02:13:58,560 >> Because it was a joint work session. 3996 02:13:58,560 --> 02:14:00,080 It's going to both planning commission 3997 02:14:00,080 --> 02:14:01,920 and city council. 3998 02:14:01,920 --> 02:14:02,920 >> Okay. 3999 02:14:02,920 --> 02:14:05,200 >> Oh. 4000 02:14:05,200 --> 02:14:05,440 Yeah. 4001 02:14:05,440 --> 02:14:06,960 >> Oh, this was the Wednesday meeting. 4002 02:14:06,960 --> 02:14:08,200 Okay. Well, then that would have That 4003 02:14:08,200 --> 02:14:09,640 would That motion would probably need to 4004 02:14:09,640 --> 02:14:11,120 come from either you or John then. 4005 02:14:11,120 --> 02:14:12,760 >> Yes. 4006 02:14:12,760 --> 02:14:14,520 >> I make a motion to approve the minutes 4007 02:14:14,520 --> 02:14:16,160 from June 3rd, 2026. 4008 02:14:16,160 --> 02:14:17,840 >> Okay, we have a motion from Michelle 4009 02:14:17,840 --> 02:14:19,280 Shermer to approve the minutes of June 4010 02:14:19,280 --> 02:14:21,840 3rd, 2026. Do we have a second? 4011 02:14:21,840 --> 02:14:22,480 >> Second. 4012 02:14:22,480 --> 02:14:24,360 by John McKay. All in favor? 4013 02:14:24,360 --> 02:14:25,960 >> Aye. 4014 02:14:25,960 --> 02:14:27,120 Any opposed? 4015 02:14:27,120 --> 02:14:29,480 Okay. I have motion to adjourn. 4016 02:14:29,480 --> 02:14:33,280 >> I'll do the motion to adjourn. 4017 02:14:33,280 --> 02:14:36,440 >> So moved by Jeff, seconded I think by 4018 02:14:36,440 --> 02:14:38,320 Greg. All in favor? Aye. 4019 02:14:38,320 --> 02:14:40,120 >> Aye. 4020 02:14:40,120 --> 02:15:21,870 >> Meeting adjourned. Thank you. 4021 02:15:21,880 --> 02:15:24,720 » It's a little crazy actually. 4022 02:15:24,720 --> 02:15:29,590 Yeah, I'm going to smack you upside the 4023 02:15:29,600 --> 02:15:32,960 » How much more discussion 4024 02:15:32,960 --> 02:15:36,150 words coming out 4025 02:15:36,160 --> 02:15:45,190 4 years 4026 02:15:45,200 --> 02:15:46,400 » I dropped it off. 4027 02:15:46,400 --> 02:15:50,750 >> Oh. 4028 02:15:50,760 --> 02:16:06,270 » No, I think I think it's 4029 02:16:06,280 --> 02:16:07,960 » It's going to be ours. 4030 02:16:07,960 --> 02:16:12,790 >> I told you 4031 02:16:12,800 --> 02:16:23,310 It's a lot. 4032 02:16:23,320 --> 02:16:48,669 Please. 4033 02:16:48,679 --> 02:16:54,030 That's it. 4034 02:16:54,040 --> 02:17:01,709 I see it. I see it. 4035 02:17:01,719 --> 02:17:05,080 Yeah. 4036 02:17:05,080 --> 02:17:07,320 I'm sorry. 4037 02:17:07,320 --> 02:17:13,709 I know. 4038 02:17:13,719 --> 02:17:18,270 I told you. 4039 02:17:18,280 --> 02:17:30,280 I know. 4040 02:17:30,280 --> 02:17:38,270 That's what I know. 4041 02:17:38,280 --> 02:17:39,080 This is the one. 4042 02:17:39,080 --> 02:17:41,160 >> Okay, so I don't 4043 02:17:41,160 --> 02:17:43,750 >> Other than it 4044 02:17:43,760 --> 02:17:47,110 » No, I'm like okay. 4045 02:17:47,120 --> 02:17:48,760 » That's what we tried to 4046 02:17:48,760 --> 02:17:50,120 This is the one. 4047 02:17:50,120 --> 02:17:50,880 >> He already 4048 02:17:50,880 --> 02:17:51,400 >> I know. 4049 02:17:51,400 --> 02:17:52,120 >> Jake has a 4050 02:17:52,120 --> 02:17:53,360 >> I know. 4051 02:17:53,360 --> 02:17:56,030 >> World play. 4052 02:17:56,040 --> 02:17:58,509 I don't know what 4053 02:17:58,519 --> 02:17:59,360 That's all 4054 02:17:59,360 --> 02:18:40,709 just I know. 4055 02:18:40,719 --> 02:18:43,000 Thank you.