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We're live.

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Okay, let's call to order Alpine City

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Council meeting for June 23rd, 2026.

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We will start with the roll call

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starting from Councilman Young

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and followed by a pledge led by

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Councilman Rummler.

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>> Andrew Young, present.

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Brent Rummler, present.

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>> Jessica Smyrl, present.

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>> Tara Blackwell, present.

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>> Chrissy Hannaman, present.

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» [clears throat]

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» Our Father in heaven, we're so grateful

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to be here. We're grateful for

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beautiful town.

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Grateful for the blessing to be able to

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live here.

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Grateful for all the residents.

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Those that are here, pray that they

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might speak from the heart.

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Pray that the spirit would be with us

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to represent them well and uh

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be good stewards over the funds and

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taxes that they pay.

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We pray for our town. We pray for the

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fires.

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We pray for our water.

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We pray to protect us temporally and

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spiritually

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and to help all of us in our decisions.

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Uh be guided and do things as thou

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wouldst have us. We pray for the staff

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and their families

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and all of the different issues that

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we're striving to improve.

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And we say this in the name of Jesus

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Christ. Amen.

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>> Amen.

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>> Please rise for the Pledge of

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Allegiance.

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» I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America

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>> and to the republic for which it stands,

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one nation under God, indivisible, with

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liberty and justice for all.

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» Okay, we will move on to item number

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two, which is the consent calendar.

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Do we have any questions regarding the

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minutes from the previous 1 2 3

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from the previous three meetings.

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If not, I'll entertain a motion.

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>> No question.

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>> We did have one edit that we didn't

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neither Sarah I thought she was doing it

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and now I thought she thought I was

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doing it.

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It's on page six. We just need to change

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a typo to might be my name.

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Um other than that, that was the only

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thing I noticed.

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I can email her the exact. Yes.

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» Oh, there we go.

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Okay, um so did you want to go ahead and

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make that motion then?

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>> Sure, I can make the motion. I move that

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we approve the consent calendar.

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>> And then add the item.

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>> With an edit on page six of the minutes

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from um

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our 5 26 meeting replacing my first name

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Chrissy with Sarah on line

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three.

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There's a motion. Is there a second?

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>> It's moved by Councilwoman Hanneman,

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seconded by Councilwoman Smewing.

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Let's proceed with the roll call vote.

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>> Andrew Young, yes.

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>> Brent Romley, yes.

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>> Jessica Smewing, yes.

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>> Sarah Bloquel, yes.

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Item three, we have um

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public comment, but I don't see any

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items here

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um that is not on the agenda. So, couple

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of things I want to clear up. We have

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three public hearings scheduled for

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today. One is for increasing

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compensation for municipal executive

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officers,

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two, the approval of the final budget,

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and three, for the approval of the

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budget amendment. I know a lot of you

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guys are here for the 200 North. This is

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not a public hearing for 200 North, so

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we will not be taking public comment.

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Mr. Payne, and I know that

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I would say probably most of you guys

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have been sending in emails. I know I've

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been reading them, you know, the last

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couple days, and then especially this

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morning and yesterday afternoon, and I'm

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sure the rest of council have, too. And

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we'll take all of that information into

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consideration. But in um in the effort

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to expedite um and work on things in a

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timely manner, we have a lot to get

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through today, so we will not be taking

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public comment, and it is not a public

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hearing.

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here that is making here to make a

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public comment on an item that is not on

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the agenda? Cuz I don't see anything on

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the sheets that I've gotten so far.

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>> Mayor, just to clarify, you don't want

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anyone to speak on the 200 North issue

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>> it's not a public hearing.

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>> Right. The planning commission was the

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public hearing.

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>> They did not They are not required to

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have a public hearing on this item.

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anything from them?

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emails, if you know, right about that

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many.

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guys have all addressed and read it and

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understand um while I um understand that

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they want to

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um voice it, I you know, I think you guys I mean, [clears throat]

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if you feel like you can get anything

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more, but no, I'd rather move on. I feel

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like this is going to take all night as

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it is, and I would really like to get

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home before midnight tonight.

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>> Is there anyone who wasn't able to email

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that wasn't able to send on a comment

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about that issue that wants to speak on

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more information. Okay.

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>> Mayor, can I ask one question just on

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order of the action items. If everyone's

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here for that, could we move that to the

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beginning?

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Should we do that? Yeah.

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like a development at the front. But

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when the public hearing was set for the

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budget a few weeks ago, it was 6:30.

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ordered the agenda this way.

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for that.

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would My first response was, "Yeah,

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let's move it." But where we did notice

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and it is a formal public hearing, I

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think maybe we need to stay with that.

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presentations. Do we have anything for

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that, Shane?

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So, with that, we will move on to action

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items. The first one is a public

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hearing for ordinance 2026-13,

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increase in compensation for municipal

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executive officers.

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the legislature passed uh Senate Bill

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91. And I apologize, the cover sheet

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when I compiled the PDF did not make it

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in the packet. It was there and I found

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chance this afternoon when I printed my

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print the wrong document?" Anyway, I

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sent that out.

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um regarding compensation increases for

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municipal executive officers.

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this section of code requires

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that prior to a municipal executive

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officer receiving a compensation

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increase,

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um the city is required to hold a public

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separate from a public hearing

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um on the budget.

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days prior to this day, which that was

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ordinance 2026-13

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outlines compensation increases for the

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city administrator, who's also the

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public works director, and the assistant

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city administrator, who is a city

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planner.

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uh cola and merit components, as well as

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the system as long. It kind of changed,

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much that portion is. And so for the

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reimbursed the employees for that

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ordinance that outlines

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the increases for these municipal

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executive officers. I know there's uh

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been some changes since this packet went

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out uh with our recommendation.

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the second year in a row, the URS

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contribution for tier one and tier two

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employees to decrease by 1% for the

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fund's getting healthier with what

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figured in when down

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>> Yes, sorry.

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>> Yeah, that's that's the employee

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contribution amount that's on the table

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that URS provided us.

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>> Right, so that means it's at 11.3

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um pension contribution amount. So, that

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means it went up from last year. I'm

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pretty sure. You know what? I looked at

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it today online, but

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>> I know what the tables

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shows that they provided [clears throat]

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us.

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>> Okay.

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We can get clarification on that.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Yep.

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» So, like I said, the that's an

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introduction to this. The

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It does require the public hearing. And

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so, I think we need to

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adjust what

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is going to go in here

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in this exhibit.

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Cuz that's where you're holding the

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public hearing on.

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» I'm sorry. You're saying you wanted to

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adjust this exhibit?

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>> So, so as it went out in the packet, it

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had 5% and 3%.

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>> Oh, that's right. Right. Total, and then

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we broke it out into a pool and um

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>> Yes.

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>> So, the one one that we have in front of

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us, I'm assuming is

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Yeah, so it's

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what was adjusted.

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Um do we I table um that I sent out to

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council last night.

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>> Uh

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was Kaden copied on that? I can send it

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over to him if not.

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» I believe it was. Let me

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find it.

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» I just wanted them to kind of

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understand.

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And did you have anything else that you

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wanted to

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>> No.

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>> include? Okay, so

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the proposal is um

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as the consumer price index has gone up

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as of

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as the end of May of this year 2026,

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it's showing that the 12-month average,

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so from last May to this May,

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um the CPI was at 4.2%.

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So the proposal is for a cola 4.2%

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which is the cost of living adjustment,

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and then to have a 0.8% based on merit

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as a bonus at Christmas time.

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Instead of we have been just doing a

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small Christmas bonus every year, but to

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tie it to performance on their

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end-of-year um

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So we'll have to move up and get

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everything completed before our December

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1st

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um

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you know,

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when [clears throat] when they normally

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hand out the Christmas bonuses, but that

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is the proposal.

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So with that, we can open the public

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hearing.

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So I'm going to open the public hearing,

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but with the

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So yeah, this exhibit's a little bit

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different.

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With that that as you make a comment,

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especially for this section,

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this is really just for the proposed

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increases for our two employees, which

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are Shane, our city administrator and

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public works director, and Caden, who is

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the assistant city administrator in the

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proposal.

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So, the proposal for their raises are

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exactly the same as the proposed raises

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for the rest of the staff. It is not any

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different, but the state has mandated

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that they have a separate public hearing

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so that the public can input and have

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input on it. So, with that, I'd like to

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open the public hearing.

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So far, I only have one person. If If

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there's anybody else that would like to

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make a comment, please fill out a

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comment card regarding this item if you

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want to make a comment. So, with that,

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we have Garrett Seeley. Um if you can

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come up, state your name,

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and um whether you're an Alpine resident

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or not, and then you'll have 3 minutes

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to make a statement.

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>> Fantastic.

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>> [clears throat]

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>> My name is Garrett Seeley. I am an

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Alpine resident. I live at 367 East

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280 South

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uh in Alpine, and I just wanted to let

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you know how much I support

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Shane especially, and but this

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resolution.

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I think that the city gets a bargain

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with Shane and his tech- his knowledge

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with

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um

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the engineering,

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with public works, and being a city

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manager.

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Um I deal with cities in and out, and I

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think that what we get out of Shane and

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other employees in the in the city

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are impeccable. And so, I fully support

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this, and I think that you should uh

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adopt this ordinance.

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>> Okay, thank you.

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Okay, is there anybody else that would

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like to make a comment on the proposal?

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If not,

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I will close the public hearing.

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And then with that, we'll have

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discussion with um city council.

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Um Um,

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Andrew, did you want to make a comment?

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>> Um, just some light comments. Uh, it's

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the same thing with the fire department

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for me and police department.

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Um, obviously the service you all do is

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really good.

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Um, I see too big of a disconnect

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though.

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I see too big of a disconnect. Um,

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uh,

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in everything from

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Well, residents ask us for things,

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right? They're on top. Let me Let me

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grab I can grab that image. I I many of

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you don't know. Uh,

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the city's run by residents. They're on

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top.

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And then we are in between

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the staff and the residents. And the

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residents ask us to do things. They ask

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us for road fixes or raccoon fixes or to

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change an ordinance on the height of a

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fence.

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And we're blocked on everything.

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Uh, we're not helped. We're fought

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against.

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Um, these aren't things that Andrew

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wants when I come to you guys. These are

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things that people are asking for.

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People that live here. People that pay

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the

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uh, price tag that he brought up that's

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such a good bargain.

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These are high salaries. I'm looking at

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these salaries. These are These are

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pretty high.

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Um,

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I would love to support uh, big raises,

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constant raises.

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But I'm not hearing I need to hear it

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from them on a day-to-day basis. I've

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had a lot of people call me

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and I've asked them

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uh,

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staff has a way of making things not

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happen that they don't want to have

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happen.

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Um,

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Andrew Andrew, please heck no

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on a raise.

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Do you think they're too comfortable?

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Uh, do you think they've been in their

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role too long? We are a small city

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paying the fees of a large city. Am I on

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a time limit?

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Um,

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we are a small city uh, paying the fees

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of a large city.

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Now, I want to farm with you guys. I

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want to be friends with you guys,

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but we have not yet crossed the uh

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threshold of connecting the resident

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concern. That's the only reason I got

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elected

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was because of their frustrations.

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We have not yet connected their

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frustrations with the output of the

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staff. And so, we had a meeting, and I

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would love to tie that behavior to

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raises. And I haven't seen that yet.

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And if I move forward with this, it's

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not against you personally, just like it

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wasn't against the fire, the police,

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but it's because I'm after a behavior

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that they are yelling at me daily for. I

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wake up and get calls at 6:00 and 7:00

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a.m. all the way to 11:00 p.m. Why

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aren't you doing this?

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And uh I can't get it done. And it's not

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that it's something I want. I have no

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traffic. I have no blocked views. I have

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no fences. I have no money problems.

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But the residents are having those.

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And so, I hit a wall, and so I need to

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tie that to behavior where we get

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outcomes,

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where the staff isn't writing the

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ordinances that we plead for you to

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write, where you don't change them. Or

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when we come to you for an easement

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help, or a fence help, or for a raccoon

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help, or for fire mitigation help, or

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for a street sign fix, or for a fountain

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6 months ago, that we have some sort of

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teamwork. That was the first thing you

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guys told me was, "Andrew, when you're

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running, don't be adversarial." And I

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said, "Okay, I will never be

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adversarial. Let's be a team." And we

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worked as a team, but it's only been one

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way.

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So, I would love to do these raises

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based on full performance, and I would

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be very happy to do them, and I think

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you guys have every qualification and

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ability to rise to that performance, and

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we'll know it based on them being

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satisfied. Their quality of life will go

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better, and I won't be getting so many

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calls about things that they're asking

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me to do. And then even worse,

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I won't be having to fight

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against you guys when they're asking for

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things to be carried out.

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Okay. So, so that I'm I'm not supportive

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of this.

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>> Frank.

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>> So, just

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by way of a little bit of background for

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those here and for my fellow council

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members,

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um I I'm a retired public servant, so I

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fully understand the roles and

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responsibilities and the hope that

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Congress would pass pay raises for me

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every year. I always hoped was hopeful.

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Um the same time I have a very strong

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duty to myself as a taxpayer and to all

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my fellow residents as a taxpayer.

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And

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um

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earlier this year this is my third year

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going through the budget process

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and earlier this year

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Chrissy Hennemeyer and I who serve on

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the Lompoc Public Safety District Board,

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she's an alternate and myself as a

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permanent and then the mayor is a

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permanent member of the board.

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We had cons- consistently been comparing

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just base salaries for firefighters and police officers. So, we thought we

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need to make sure that we're comparing

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apples to apples, so we asked for a

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comparison of

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other benefits, so total compensation,

561
00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:09,960
so we could make a more informed

562
00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:11,920
decision. I'm all for paying our

563
00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:13,280
employees

564
00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:16,200
a very fair wage and very much respect

565
00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:17,520
what they do and I appreciate what they

566
00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:18,640
do.

567
00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,720
I just feel like I have a duty to make a

568
00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,360
an informed decision on behalf of all of

569
00:20:23,360 --> 00:20:24,840
our residents.

570
00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:28,920
So, we put that same message forward

571
00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:30,720
Chrissy and I did with the support of

572
00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,680
the other council members earlier this

573
00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:36,600
year that we would like to see a full

574
00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:40,240
benefits comparison, which is hard to accomplish. It's hard to figure

575
00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,480
out what other municipalities are how

576
00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,800
they're compensating their employees,

577
00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:46,720
but there are ways to do it.

578
00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:47,600
Um

579
00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,880
I was a little disheartened that

580
00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:51,280
um we didn't find out the mayor's

581
00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,120
proposal until late last night at the

582
00:20:54,120 --> 00:20:56,360
recommendation of our city attorney to

583
00:20:56,360 --> 00:20:59,240
streamline meetings, we were told to

584
00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,120
discuss individually with other members

585
00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:03,680
and try and come up with some some

586
00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,720
thoughts and then make sure we have a a

587
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:07,160
full discussion in the meeting not

588
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:08,520
hiding anything.

589
00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:09,320
So, we did have some of those

590
00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,120
discussions before the mayor sent out

591
00:21:11,120 --> 00:21:12,080
that

592
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:16,160
email late last night. And I um

593
00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:17,560
Council member Smoot has an actual

594
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,320
motion for this.

595
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,520
But, I think I would prefer to have a

596
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,840
little bit more time to digest the

597
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:25,520
information that was provided by staff

598
00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:27,600
on Wednesday. Um I had to be out of town

599
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,040
all weekend for a family wedding.

600
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:31,440
And just didn't feel like I had enough

601
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,240
time or

602
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,840
um explanation of those

603
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:38,400
documents that were prepared to try and

604
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:39,560
compare those

605
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:40,800
benefits.

606
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:42,560
So, my request in talking with our

607
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,440
council members is to

608
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,160
table just this portion of the budget

609
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,040
and the raise for the general staff.

610
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,960
So, we can have time to uh

611
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,880
find out more about the comparisons,

612
00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:55,760
find out more about the rationale from

613
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:56,880
the mayor.

614
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,120
And then move forward from there. And

615
00:21:58,120 --> 00:21:59,800
the the raises could be retroactive, but

616
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:01,800
we can't do that before July 1st, but it

617
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:03,520
sounds like the motion will be to do

618
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,040
that before the end of this month, so

619
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:06,680
within the next week.

620
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,480
That's all.

621
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,040
>> Um so, just going back to your comments

622
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,760
about the safety district, remind me the

623
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,200
goal at that time was to bring the

624
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,600
employees to the midpoint, or what was

625
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:20,960
the the goal?

626
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,320
>> So, that's kind of been the request from

627
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,000
police and fire

628
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:27,560
to the board. The board it just so you

629
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,440
know, we share police and fire resources

630
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,440
with Highland. So, Highland has two

631
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,240
board permanent board members

632
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:35,920
and Alpine has two permanent board

633
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:37,680
members, and then we have an alternate.

634
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:39,360
That would be the every other year we

635
00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:41,200
have the tie breaking vote, every other

636
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,160
year Highland has a tie breaking vote.

637
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:44,320
So, yes, that's been the request from

638
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:45,840
police and fire is to get kind of to

639
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:47,640
toward the medium.

640
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,600
So, we stay competitive with nearby

641
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,920
departments, so we're not losing

642
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,680
good employees to let's say a Lehi who

643
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:55,560
decides they're going to pay their

644
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,480
paramedics $10,000 more a year.

645
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,040
And

646
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,080
that's kind of been that goal at least

647
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:03,440
for our public safety.

648
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,080
>> Okay. And so, we still are looking for

649
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,080
that information because um

650
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,440
I don't know if our goal, as stated with

651
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,040
the public safety district, if we're

652
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:14,320
trying to keep our employees at the

653
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,600
medium, or are we trying to keep them at

654
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,400
the top quartile? Maybe we can talk

655
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:19,040
about that.

656
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:20,240
>> Right. So, yeah.

657
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,280
>> also from an all-in number, which was

658
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,960
what we asked for, not just the salary,

659
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,200
but what it costs to employ their full

660
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,080
benefits package. It's kind of here and

661
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:32,760
there throughout the tabs on all of the

662
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,320
information that we recently received,

663
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,800
but it isn't crystallized in a

664
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,200
consumable fashion, where we can make

665
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,720
those kinds of determinations. So, um

666
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,480
as far as um

667
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,080
so that everyone present understands, we

668
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,760
did commission a um wage study that

669
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,880
compared salaries um throughout the

670
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,640
state for similar um functions and

671
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:58,880
duties.

672
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,320
And because that information is so

673
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:02,960
important,

674
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,560
and because we got it so late, as soon

675
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,200
as we got it, we put it out there that

676
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,440
we were willing to meet with council. We

677
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,840
met with Brent, and Chrissy, and Sarah.

678
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,600
And um we did not get a request from

679
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,040
yourselves, um Jessica or Andrew, to

680
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,800
meet before this meeting. But, soon as

681
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,480
we got the information from the wage

682
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,920
study, we wanted to have those meetings

683
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,360
to kind of help you consume the data,

684
00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:30,360
cuz it is a lot to consume. Because we

685
00:24:30,360 --> 00:24:34,640
did not have that opportunity, that

686
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,520
the information of the wage study, that

687
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,120
is going to be in a future work work

688
00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:40,200
session.

689
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,520
All we're suggesting today,

690
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,200
with the email that I sent out, is to

691
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,040
present a cola

692
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,200
straight across for all of staff,

693
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,480
and then um with the 0.8%

694
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:57,040
as a one-time Christmas bonus, because

695
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,080
the feedback that I got from council is

696
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:00,520
we shouldn't just do a straight

697
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,160
Christmas bonus. It should be tied to

698
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:03,720
something. And so

699
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,480
I figured this is a way that we could

700
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,720
tie both of it in, right? We can do the

701
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,840
bonuses, but it could be based on um

702
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,040
performance. So, it tied both of that

703
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,160
in. And so, for me

704
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,480
um if you look at the table that I had

705
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,440
sent to you guys last night. And the

706
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,200
main reason that is because other city

707
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:21,520
councils

708
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:22,680
I had a hard time getting that

709
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,000
information because other city councils

710
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,640
were also

711
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,840
working on their numbers. But this is

712
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:30,320
pretty much what they've decided.

713
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,360
American Fork said it's still up in the

714
00:25:32,360 --> 00:25:34,160
air and

715
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,200
when I talked to both their mayor and

716
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,600
their city administrator, they said each

717
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,160
one of them are at a different number.

718
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,640
And so, they could not give me a number.

719
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,200
But this is where everybody kind of

720
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:45,600
decided on.

721
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,280
And so, when I asked them why is your

722
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,720
COLA so low? And it was The answer that

723
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,720
I got back from them is when they did

724
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,680
their um preliminary or um

725
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,800
the preliminary budget

726
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:57,960
um

727
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,600
that's what the COLA was.

728
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,480
But as you know, things have happened in

729
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,080
the world economy that drastically

730
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,120
increased the price of fuel, which is a

731
00:26:08,120 --> 00:26:11,920
big portion of our consumer price index.

732
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:16,120
And so, um when I looked up what um the

733
00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:17,760
CPI was

734
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,520
I was even shocked. I only looked it up

735
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,480
because I couldn't remember

736
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:22,840
from when I looked it up last whether it

737
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:24,800
was 2.6%

738
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,880
or 2.4%. That's where I thought it

739
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,200
really was.

740
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,160
And it was until about February. And

741
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,520
then it And you have to realize all the

742
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:36,160
numbers are like a month behind, right?

743
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,400
And so, when I saw that it was 4.2%.

744
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,480
A COLA, like I said, is a cost of living

745
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,480
adjustment. It's not um merit-based. And

746
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,360
the other cities here, this is all

747
00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:49,280
mostly um

748
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,240
Northern Utah County. And then I've been

749
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:52,720
working with the mayor of Heber quite a

750
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,240
bit lately. So I happen to reach out and

751
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:56,600
asked her she was able to give me her

752
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:57,760
numbers.

753
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:02,640
And then Bluffdale is also I had

754
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,200
an opportunity to speak with her about

755
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:05,440
something else and asked her really

756
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,440
quick about what they decided to do. So

757
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:08,640
I threw that in because that was the

758
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,760
numbers that I was able to get.

759
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:11,920
Um

760
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,280
So the proposal I gave was based on the

761
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,600
most recent numbers that were published

762
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,520
by the US government.

763
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,120
The COLA of 2.

764
00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:23,240
>> Is it 6 or 8% that was published by

765
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,040
Social Security?

766
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,560
>> 2.8 was accurate as of

767
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:28,400
>> January 1st.

768
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,720
>> January of 2026. So it's already

769
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,520
outdated. And because this budget starts

770
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,240
July 1st, I felt like we need to use the

771
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,520
most current and most accurate data. And

772
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:39,960
that's what I sent to you guys last

773
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,600
night with the link of where I got that

774
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:42,440
data.

775
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,360
>> So I I appreciate that explanation. This

776
00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:47,280
part of the

777
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,040
thought process here for me is

778
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:51,480
we've this is my third time doing this

779
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:52,480
now.

780
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,320
And I went back to my notes and went

781
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,640
back to the budget from 2024 which was

782
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,680
for the 2025 fiscal year.

783
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,640
And the proposal that you did was for a

784
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,040
6% merit increase. It said nothing about

785
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:05,240
COLA.

786
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:06,520
And it didn't include anything about

787
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,320
benefits and comparing

788
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,120
what we found when we asked the

789
00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:13,400
staff that help run the Lone Peak Public

790
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,200
Safety District Board

791
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,840
or public district was that

792
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,360
when they looked at

793
00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:21,280
benefits comparisons, eight of the 10

794
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,360
departments or cities that they asked

795
00:28:24,360 --> 00:28:26,480
for comparisons, only two of those paid

796
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,400
for 100% of medical and dental coverage.

797
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,280
So 20% and Alpine pays and the and the

798
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,400
Lone Peak Public Safety District pays

799
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,160
the full 100% for medical and dental.

800
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,960
That's why we're asking for enough data

801
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,960
to be able to make educated decisions,

802
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:42,560
informed decisions.

803
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,920
And when the first year was 6% merit

804
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,640
because that's what police and fire got,

805
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,200
last year was 4%.

806
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,120
>> That was also Okay, so with the 6%

807
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:51,920
merit, that was also from the previous

808
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:53,080
year and I don't know I you could

809
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,680
probably back me up cuz you were there.

810
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,440
No, the reason that it was all 6% merit

811
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,000
was the previous council wanted it all

812
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,040
merit. Does that make sense? If I were

813
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:03,520
to break it up, I would have broken it

814
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,440
up into a cola and then a merit and

815
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,760
that's what most cities do, but as you

816
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,320
see, each city kind of does their own

817
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:10,360
thing.

818
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:11,840
But that's why it was presented that

819
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,080
way. I was trying to

820
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,280
um listen to council and still try to

821
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,040
figure out, you know,

822
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,400
how to move forward with things, but

823
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,920
again, this is a public hearing and this

824
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,000
is what you're voting on and because of

825
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,440
state law, it is breaking out their

826
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:29,960
compensation.

827
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,440
I think um you know, you have situations

828
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,480
in other cities, you know, even in Cedar

829
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,800
Hills, I think they did a 4.6% total

830
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,200
increase in the salaries for all their

831
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:42,680
staff except for

832
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,720
their city administrator who got a 6%

833
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,560
increase. So, there's always going to be

834
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,720
differences, but all we're um

835
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,920
all I'm suggesting that we do is we just

836
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,800
do a straight cola 4.2.

837
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:55,560
>> Uh

838
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,160
Mr. Doxey, can you

839
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:01,520
provide us the options we have as far as

840
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,480
tabling just the portion of the budget

841
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,560
that relates to wages and making it

842
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,040
retroactive to July 1st if once we do

843
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:10,480
make a decision on wages if we're not

844
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:11,280
going to do that tonight.

845
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,760
>> to be clear, you can't table the budget

846
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,720
right. You have to adopt a final budget

847
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,480
tonight. If you don't want to include an

848
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,160
increase in compensation in the budget,

849
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,120
then you adopt the budget without that

850
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:26,720
and then

851
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,400
you'd have to go and do a budget

852
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:29,960
amendment

853
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,360
later. So, there's also a budget

854
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,920
amendment on the agenda for tonight.

855
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,880
That's what would have to happen. So,

856
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,080
you have to you have to adopt the final

857
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:40,920
budget tonight.

858
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:41,960
>> Understood. Thanks.

859
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,520
>> Well, and can I just can

860
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,640
in response to yes, we got the

861
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,680
information and then we were able to set

862
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,320
up meetings one-on-one, but we haven't

863
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,120
been able to counsel

864
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:55,880
you know, together and really that's how

865
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,800
I understand a lot of this is is working

866
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,440
with my co-council members and coming up

867
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,800
with consensus in that way. And so I

868
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,600
appreciate you know, the the time that

869
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,960
was available. It didn't work for me cuz

870
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,080
it was Monday and Tuesday. I just didn't

871
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,240
have any time during that time period to

872
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:15,920
meet, but um

873
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,000
so that's part of that is just meeting

874
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,240
with council, us being able to get into

875
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,640
the details of these things that we are

876
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,280
just now seeing.

877
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,880
And again, I mean all of us are paying

878
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,120
more in gas and I bet a lot of us would

879
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,160
I'd like to Council member Rumler's

880
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,680
point just be able to build right into

881
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,560
our lives those pay increases. I think

882
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,760
it's prudent upon us as it's one of the

883
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,360
largest budget items here to make sure

884
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,320
that we're responsibly spending the

885
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,480
taxpayer dollars.

886
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,310
>> So

887
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,160
» I guess I know I we will get to you. I

888
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:54,720
promise.

889
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,600
If you could you know, we'll come back.

890
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,600
Go ahead, Sarah. Okay.

891
00:31:58,600 --> 00:31:59,800
Um

892
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,400
I see the value in counseling as a

893
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,080
council. So I if that's an option to do

894
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,400
a work session to you know, have

895
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,120
consensus among the council members I'm

896
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,360
open to that. Um

897
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:13,680
I will say that we have really great

898
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,640
employees. I've been able to observe

899
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,360
them and

900
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,000
um

901
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,120
and almost I'm I've almost got all of

902
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,920
their names. Anyway,

903
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:23,640
um

904
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,360
and I do know that when you trust your

905
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,400
employees, typically they do better

906
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,040
work. So it's not a lot it's not a the

907
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,440
compensation is not like a

908
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,000
we don't trust you. It's

909
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,920
but it does help build morale. So I

910
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,200
understand why this has to be a

911
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:42,120
discussion and and why we do this. Um

912
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:43,680
one other thing that I thought was

913
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,520
interesting that I we talked to Mayor

914
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:46,920
Merrill about is that when we were

915
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,640
discussing the

916
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,600
Lone Peak Safety District and we were

917
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,400
talking about compensation there, we

918
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,560
used the COLA.

919
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,360
And we didn't talk about the CPI, um

920
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,440
consumer consumer price index, which I

921
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,320
thought was interesting. So, I know that

922
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,920
the COLA is measured January 1st and

923
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,240
it's 2.8. CPI is more accurate, but the

924
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,080
COLA adjust for inflation and the CPI

925
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,160
deals with more consumer products.

926
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,480
And so, I just found it interesting that

927
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:18,240
when we were discussing comparisons for

928
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,400
um public safety district staff, we were

929
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,000
talking about COLA and when we're

930
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,600
talking about

931
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,720
um employees, we're talking about CPI.

932
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,040
So, if anyone has any more insight as to

933
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,320
why we're we've switched from one to the

934
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,440
other. I know you use the CPI to

935
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,840
calculate the COLA. And I understand

936
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,600
that the CPI is more up-to-date, but

937
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,480
there's a big difference. One is to The

938
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,560
COLA is 2.8 and the CPI is 4.2. And when

939
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,920
I look at the other cities, it looks

940
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,440
like a lot of them followed somewhere on

941
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,320
an average of like

942
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:54,560
2.5 for a COLA and then they had merit.

943
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,680
And a lot of them still have 5%, but the

944
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,720
COLA adjustment is less and the

945
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,200
merit-based is a little bit higher.

946
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,760
Um so, that's one question I just have

947
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,280
one thought I have. And then um I know

948
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,919
we do performance evaluations

949
00:34:09,919 --> 00:34:13,960
and um so, I'm assuming that we would

950
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,560
use those and key performance indicators

951
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:17,919
when we decide whether they're

952
00:34:17,919 --> 00:34:19,360
merit-based.

953
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,760
And just to clarify, they do um receive

954
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,840
merit-based um compensation based off of

955
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,040
those, not just it's not just a

956
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,159
Christmas bonus, it's Okay.

957
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:34,159
>> And that's what I'm suggesting we do.

958
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:36,480
>> Yeah. Um does anyone have any insight on

959
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,560
COLA versus CPI? That was

960
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:40,639
one question.

961
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:43,639
>> My understanding is historically they've

962
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:46,000
been pretty much the same. It's just

963
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,679
that they update the CPI monthly

964
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:51,560
as opposed to annually which the Social

965
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,320
Security does. I thought they did it

966
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,080
every 6 months, but when I was talking

967
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,640
to you earlier you said once a year.

968
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,480
>> Well, I just had it from the first of

969
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,120
the year, so I assume they do it once a

970
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,800
year. Um anyway, I just I just

971
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:04,840
would love a little bit more

972
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,080
understanding on that and I know we

973
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:08,600
discussed this earlier. I just wanted to

974
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:09,680
make it public, so

975
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,080
>> So and then back in um if you look at

976
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:13,960
when they did the preliminary budget and

977
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,520
you look at the COLA and the CPI, they

978
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:17,720
were like

979
00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:20,640
within 0.1, 0.2 depending on when you

980
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,120
looked it up. They were in line except when you had

981
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:25,240
this.

982
00:35:25,240 --> 00:35:26,040
>> Yeah.

983
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,160
>> If I could just answer a little bit

984
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,080
about the COLA. COLA is a broader

985
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,400
measure, so it would include things like

986
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,880
housing or um

987
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,920
you know, like insurance, things like

988
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,560
that. Where C- CPI stands specifically

989
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,840
for consumer products and so those

990
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,600
highly fluctuate based on the price of

991
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:46,680
gas.

992
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,040
So what Carla has talked our mayor has

993
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,360
talked about um spiking recently is

994
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,000
because of the um

995
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,440
the constraints we have on gas through

996
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:56,640
the war.

997
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:02,240
And so it's very fluctuates a lot like has been said um it it would be

998
00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:04,880
measured monthly rather than

999
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,240
So it's looking at different aspects of

1000
00:36:07,240 --> 00:36:10,480
the economy. One is more long-term and

1001
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:15,000
one is more sh- short-term and more uh

1002
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,360
fluctuates it fluctuates more. So I

1003
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:18,920
don't know why we switched, but I know

1004
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,080
that that's the difference between the

1005
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:21,160
two measures.

1006
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:26,360
>> Thank you, Councilwoman Hanneman. I if CPI is short-term and we're talking

1007
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,080
about long-term

1008
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:29,120
um

1009
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,160
>> Well, the CPI Yes, it's a short-term

1010
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,760
increase, but it is a 12-month average.

1011
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,320
So, the 12-month average is it's gone

1012
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,280
it's increased by 4.6%, not just the 1

1013
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:38,840
month.

1014
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,720
>> But again, on on a different measure, it

1015
00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:42,960
has consumer products, not necessarily

1016
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:43,960
the full cost.

1017
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:44,440
>> Yes.

1018
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:45,120
>> Right.

1019
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:45,480
>> Yeah.

1020
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,840
>> I guess that I really didn't have a full

1021
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,080
understanding. I just know that

1022
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,720
historically they've been pretty neck

1023
00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:52,880
and neck.

1024
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,760
And so, um I've always just looked up

1025
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,240
CPI just because it's been easy cuz half

1026
00:36:57,240 --> 00:36:59,400
the time you look up COLA, apparently I

1027
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,640
really like soda because

1028
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,000
all of that comes up. And so, for me,

1029
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,400
it's always been easier to do a search

1030
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,360
on the CPI. So, that's why I went to

1031
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,400
that. And when I realized the how it

1032
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:11,880
different it was, then I was like, "Oh,

1033
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,240
but this information is more recent."

1034
00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:15,840
>> I guess what I'm trying to say then is

1035
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,880
that the CPI fluctuates that much,

1036
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:23,240
then maybe a COLA is a better way to um

1037
00:37:23,240 --> 00:37:25,720
account for inflation and rising costs.

1038
00:37:25,720 --> 00:37:28,400
That's That's just a thought I have.

1039
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,040
>> Well, this this year this war is one

1040
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,280
example where the prices went up, and

1041
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,840
now they've gone significantly down when

1042
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,640
there appears to be a resolution. That

1043
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,080
could all change tomorrow. Let's say

1044
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:39,920
Iran nukes, and it could go right back

1045
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,000
up. So, I go through this every year

1046
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,480
with my pension. Mine is tied to the

1047
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:45,600
same

1048
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,280
um index as Social Security increases.

1049
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,000
So, I got an email today or yesterday

1050
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,280
from one of my

1051
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,960
federal retiree um subscription saying

1052
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,000
looks like the cost of living increase

1053
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,320
for Social Security and my pension will

1054
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,440
be about 3.8%.

1055
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,320
But again, they've they've never been

1056
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:04,560
right. Those estimates have never been

1057
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,720
right because they fluctuate so much

1058
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:09,120
over throughout the throughout the year.

1059
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,400
>> So, again, like this is not

1060
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,520
um

1061
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,720
as much as particular Yes, this is for

1062
00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:19,880
just Shane and um Caden. But my

1063
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,600
preference is

1064
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,720
Yes, I use the CPI cuz in my mind I was

1065
00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:26,440
using the latest and because it's a

1066
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,640
12-month rolling average. So, in the

1067
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,560
last 12 months, this is what the average

1068
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,080
is, not just for the month of May,

1069
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,240
that's what the number is. Because

1070
00:38:35,240 --> 00:38:37,040
you're taking 12 months into account,

1071
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,240
that should

1072
00:38:39,240 --> 00:38:42,320
kind of equalize that and my guess is

1073
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,200
that if you look at it in next January

1074
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,760
and you look at the cola and the CPI,

1075
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,520
they'll be very close.

1076
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,800
Yes, sometimes they're exactly, but

1077
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,160
they're usually pretty close to each

1078
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:54,360
other.

1079
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:55,360
Um

1080
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,080
but my preference is that

1081
00:38:58,080 --> 00:38:59,600
you know, if you don't agree with the

1082
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,600
4.2, I would rather instead tabling this

1083
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:07,150
cuz I feel like it will cause um

1084
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,280
while I appreciate that you want to do a

1085
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:10,800
thorough job,

1086
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,600
all we're doing at this point is

1087
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,520
basically agree Even though this hearing

1088
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,160
is just for Shane and Kayden

1089
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,840
or this process, it is also going to the

1090
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,840
rest of staff and affects everybody that

1091
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,640
works for Alpine City

1092
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,080
that we come up with a percentage now

1093
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,400
based on whatever it may be, whether

1094
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,160
it's a straight cola,

1095
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:33,800
whether it's a straight merit, or

1096
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,840
combination of the two

1097
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,840
and not put it off that, you know, if

1098
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,560
there's something that

1099
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:41,880
um

1100
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:43,760
and I'm saying

1101
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,480
don't take into consideration the wage

1102
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,520
study. That I feel like is very valuable

1103
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,920
information and because not everybody

1104
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:57,440
has had a chance to digest all of that, we take that into the work session

1105
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,560
and that's a whole separate thing. This

1106
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,000
is just raises for staff across the

1107
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:04,320
board.

1108
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,480
I gave you my recommendation. I would

1109
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,080
really like to hear what yours is and

1110
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,960
then like I said, I was still texting

1111
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,200
David Bunker late last night. Have you

1112
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:15,960
gotten any, you you a better idea of

1113
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,280
what the number is. No, I don't.

1114
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,280
So, the reason you got the text late

1115
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,527
last night, I was

1116
00:40:23,527 --> 00:40:23,800
>> [clears throat]

1117
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,320
>> I was probably on the phone. If I look

1118
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,160
on my phone, I bet you I probably got

1119
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,800
off about 11:23 last night. And that was

1120
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,960
probably about the time that I sent out

1121
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,760
this email to you guys.

1122
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,560
>> So, you're basing your recommendation on

1123
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,440
the consumer price index or on the

1124
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:38,040
comparison

1125
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,600
>> it on I No, no, no. I did both.

1126
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,840
So, what I looked at is what how other

1127
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:45,840
cities did it and I As you can see by

1128
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:47,440
looking at this chart,

1129
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:48,800
they're all over the board. Some people

1130
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,240
did straight COLAs, some people did

1131
00:40:50,240 --> 00:40:52,040
straight merits, some people did a

1132
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,000
combination of the two.

1133
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,520
And when I talked to the mayors or city

1134
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,160
administrators,

1135
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,160
they based their COLAs on the numbers

1136
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,360
based on their tentative budget and when

1137
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,080
that what that number looked like at the

1138
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:05,800
time or what they thought it was based

1139
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,000
on whatever indexes they used, right?

1140
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:13,080
Obviously, not everyone used um

1141
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,440
the Social Security COLA because the

1142
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,120
COLA was 2.8% and I don't see, you know,

1143
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,280
you've got anything from three down to

1144
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:21,920
2.3%,

1145
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,480
right? And then merit, you you're going

1146
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:25,840
all over the board.

1147
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,520
And so for me, um I like I said,

1148
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,960
I did it based on

1149
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,480
the CPI

1150
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,160
for the 12-month rolling average

1151
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,520
and then the remaining um I thought

1152
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,990
five was kind of

1153
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,640
you know, middle of the road

1154
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,560
compared to what was here

1155
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,800
and where I think

1156
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,600
American Fork is going to end up, but

1157
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,360
they did not give me a definite number,

1158
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,680
but I kind of had an idea.

1159
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,160
And then gave um

1160
00:41:58,160 --> 00:41:59,200
you know,

1161
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,240
based on that. So, like the point eight,

1162
00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:03,840
because that's a merit bonus,

1163
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:05,920
um my understanding it's not an all or

1164
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:07,840
nothing cuz it's based on their

1165
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:09,920
performances. So, it's not a straight

1166
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,320
0.8%. It'll depend. It might just end up

1167
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,040
being that we only use

1168
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,840
.65% of it of the total amount or

1169
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:18,960
whatever it may be.

1170
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,840
>> Well, and I think that, you know, brings

1171
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,680
back the point that I'm saying. I'm not

1172
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:27,200
sure if we're trying to the target is

1173
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,320
keeping everyone around the mid-range as

1174
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,680
far as our surrounding communities, not

1175
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,520
the whole state, but I know that that's

1176
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,080
been a very

1177
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:36,120
>> We're not

1178
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:37,760
>> Wait, a very strong part of the

1179
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,160
conversation around public safety. Is

1180
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:41,800
what do we do? How do we keep them

1181
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,560
within a certain range? And so as we're

1182
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,440
considering those things, I understand

1183
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:47,840
that this is what all the other cities

1184
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,080
are doing.

1185
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,040
But, you know, this is just one data

1186
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:52,640
point. It's not necessarily what

1187
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,720
Alpine's going to do cuz I don't know

1188
00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:58,200
where our staff is um

1189
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,800
in that. Are they in the lower quartile?

1190
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,720
Are they in the middle quartile? If we

1191
00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:04,080
give them these raises, does it move

1192
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,040
everyone into the upper quartile? Do we

1193
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,440
have a problem with retention? Part of

1194
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,880
why we give the public safety district

1195
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,320
higher raises is because we are looking

1196
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,200
at retaining

1197
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,560
our skilled um officers and

1198
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:23,000
firefighters. So, we haven't had those

1199
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,040
layered conversations.

1200
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:29,760
>> So, yes, we did the wage study. Um this

1201
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,120
does not take into consideration

1202
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,760
the wage study, but the quick um

1203
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,240
2-second version of the wage study is

1204
00:43:37,240 --> 00:43:39,840
no, everyone but one, we have an

1205
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:41,080
outlier,

1206
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,040
but everyone else on Alpine City staff

1207
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,160
is below the low point average, below

1208
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,000
the midpoint average, and below the high

1209
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,240
point average. Meaning, and the way that

1210
00:43:51,240 --> 00:43:53,000
they um

1211
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:54,880
the way that this gentleman did it was

1212
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,200
based on the number of years of work

1213
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,800
experience and where they should be

1214
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,440
on the low point, the midpoint, or the

1215
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,520
high point. And every single job, except

1216
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,600
for our city engineer, because as you

1217
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,080
guys all know, we went a year without a

1218
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,840
city engineer cuz we could not recruit a

1219
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,200
city engineer. So, yes, we had to pay

1220
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,840
more, and so he is

1221
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,480
between midpoint and high for his number

1222
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,360
of experience as a city engineer. Other

1223
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:25,880
than that, yes, they're all lower, but

1224
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:27,480
that has nothing to do with it yet.

1225
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,280
We're not even trying to We're just

1226
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:30,960
trying to

1227
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:32,560
>> But that had everything to do with the

1228
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,760
safety district. So, how come that had

1229
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:36,080
everything to do with the safety

1230
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,200
district, but we're not using the same

1231
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,360
um premise when we're talking about our

1232
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,400
>> No, we were going to, but because of the

1233
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,360
timing of when we got that report and in

1234
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,200
trying to meet with everybody because it

1235
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:52,080
didn't happen, it's too much to consume,

1236
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,680
and because the new budget or the new

1237
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,720
budget year starts July 1st,

1238
00:44:57,720 --> 00:45:00,120
we're mandated by state law that we pass

1239
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,800
the final budget. So, all this is my

1240
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,400
proposal. I feel like what it will do is

1241
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,600
it kind of will bring every, you know,

1242
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,720
even though Alpine resi- or Alpine, not

1243
00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:12,280
residents, Alpine

1244
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,240
um and employees may be here and this is

1245
00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:16,240
the average for whatever whether it it

1246
00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:18,400
may be. If you looked at the charts that

1247
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,240
um was in your packet, we're

1248
00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:23,440
consistently step below. All this will

1249
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,520
do is bring it up and it's not even

1250
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,800
taking people up. That's the discussion

1251
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,320
that we'll have during the work session

1252
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,000
if that's where

1253
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,080
um cuz you do, you bring up a lot of

1254
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:34,120
good points.

1255
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:35,040
>> Well, and I think

1256
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:36,880
>> think that one to recruitment is a good

1257
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,840
point. There's all of that, but all this

1258
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,560
is doing is making sure that we're not

1259
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,240
following below what we already are.

1260
00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:45,480
>> But actually, we're not below when you

1261
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,160
look at total benefit package. We

1262
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,680
actually may be in the upper quartile.

1263
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:55,960
Again, I couldn't extrapolate that from the data that we just got. So, are

1264
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,480
we in the mid to lower on salary, but

1265
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,280
that's not their dollars.

1266
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,920
are salary, their dollars

1267
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:06,960
are health benefits, their dollars are

1268
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,800
retirement plans, their dollars are take

1269
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,720
home vehicles.

1270
00:46:11,720 --> 00:46:16,560
So, I wasn't able to look at it and say

1271
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,800
they're being paid again in the

1272
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,160
mid-quartile or the upper or the lower.

1273
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,160
And that was such a driving indicator as

1274
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:28,110
we discussed our safety district.

1275
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,080
» So,

1276
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,200
the thing that was um I think the reason

1277
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,000
that our um wage study took so long to

1278
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,240
get to us was that Alpine is unique. We

1279
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:39,800
have a very

1280
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,440
small number of full-time employees.

1281
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,520
And if you ask anyone One of the first

1282
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,480
things I did when I became mayor was I

1283
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,480
met with every single employee in the

1284
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:49,480
city

1285
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,440
and asked them what they did and whether

1286
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:52,880
they're happy there, what they thought

1287
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,600
they were going to do.

1288
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,800
And really learned what their jobs were.

1289
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:58,560
And you know what I found out? Each one

1290
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:00,880
of them is doing the job of two or three

1291
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,120
people in other cities. I get it, we're

1292
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,240
a smaller city, but even a city like

1293
00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:06,920
Cedar Hills,

1294
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,080
they have like what? 40% more employees

1295
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,080
than we do in Alpine.

1296
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,240
They're a smaller city geographically,

1297
00:47:15,240 --> 00:47:18,200
they're smaller in population.

1298
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,520
And you look at that and um it was hard

1299
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,560
to say, "Yes, we have a recorder, but

1300
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,880
she's also our sexton. She also

1301
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:28,960
was writing our newsline until, you

1302
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:30,760
know, a year ago." But there's you know,

1303
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,120
there's so many different things that

1304
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,080
each one of them are doing.

1305
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:35,840
They're literally doing the jobs of two

1306
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:37,600
or three different people. And so, yes,

1307
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,720
our traffic our wage study came back

1308
00:47:39,720 --> 00:47:41,160
later than we

1309
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:42,480
what normally. I don't think he

1310
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,720
understood how we were formed. I think

1311
00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:46,480
number one, he was surprised how little

1312
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,760
our staff was. And number two, how much

1313
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:50,480
they did. And so, yes, it took a lot

1314
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,960
longer. I'm sorry it didn't get here in

1315
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,640
time, but as I stated, as As as we got

1316
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,480
the results, we made the effort to reach

1317
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,200
out to everybody.

1318
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,200
But for me right now, this the proposal

1319
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,120
that I gave is

1320
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,800
to shift it up. Yes, are we paying more

1321
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,920
in The only thing that we're paying more

1322
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:10,880
for and is a big chunk, it's the health

1323
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:11,920
care.

1324
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,600
Um we are doing 100% of the traditional

1325
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:15,800
health care.

1326
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,120
And I believe Carolyn, um who

1327
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:23,000
also wears many hats um for our city

1328
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:24,800
compiled this list and it was not easy

1329
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:26,520
and we didn't get data on some of them

1330
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:27,720
and it wasn't because we didn't like

1331
00:48:27,720 --> 00:48:29,680
their answers, it's because

1332
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,320
we were never able to get that data. Um

1333
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,280
and then, you know, kudos to her that

1334
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:36,760
she on some of the things that she

1335
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:38,720
didn't get responses from, she actually

1336
00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:40,480
went and searched on their websites and

1337
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,160
did a lot spent a lot of time getting

1338
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:43,840
that for us to get a more comprehensive

1339
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:44,920
list.

1340
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:46,760
But you also have to look at, you know,

1341
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,480
you look at um

1342
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:50,600
our

1343
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:54,520
efforts to recruit our city engineer.

1344
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:58,280
And even if you talk to some of our

1345
00:48:58,280 --> 00:48:58,800
>> Hey mayor.

1346
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:00,560
>> employees, hold on.

1347
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:02,560
That the health care is very, very

1348
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:03,960
important to them and if it weren't

1349
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:05,440
here, they're not sure if they would

1350
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,120
stay. That's a comment that several have

1351
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:09,680
made to me.

1352
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,880
And you have to look at it is that it's

1353
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,480
a recruitment tool. You look at what the

1354
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,680
fire department does. We service

1355
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:18,720
American Fork Canyon.

1356
00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:20,800
It's not really a money maker for us. In

1357
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,600
fact, when we

1358
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,360
take a call in American Fork Canyon,

1359
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,520
we're out an entire

1360
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:27,800
battalion or

1361
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:29,640
Is it a battalion?

1362
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:31,440
Or basically a full staff, a

1363
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,320
contingency. But we do that because it's

1364
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,560
a big recruitment tool.

1365
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,040
They like that we service American Fork

1366
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,440
Canyon. It's something additional to

1367
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,480
doing their everyday work.

1368
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,200
And so you have to kind of look at it

1369
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,040
that way. But if that's something that

1370
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:48,720
you guys want to look at and change,

1371
00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:51,560
that can be up for discussion also. But

1372
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,120
right now, we're just talking about

1373
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,040
their raises for next year. Do you want

1374
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,040
to do a basic cola?

1375
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,080
Do you want to do a hybrid, or do a full

1376
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,080
merit?

1377
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:04,560
That's what the discussion is.

1378
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,160
>> And now and the percentage.

1379
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:07,440
>> Yeah, obviously, yes.

1380
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,440
>> My question was quick interruption a

1381
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:10,760
point of information. I was under the

1382
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,320
impression we were just discussing

1383
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,480
Shane and Kayden right now, not the

1384
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:16,800
entire

1385
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:17,520
workforce.

1386
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,360
>> You are correct, and this specific

1387
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:21,600
>> very wide.

1388
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,040
>> But it is for the it's the same

1389
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:25,720
>> I'm just clarifying. I'm just I know

1390
00:50:25,720 --> 00:50:27,160
it's the same proposal, but I was under

1391
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:31,160
the impression we were just cuz the my comments were just specifically on

1392
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:32,920
what you told us we were talking about,

1393
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:34,120
not the entire staff.

1394
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:35,920
>> Okay. It's the same for

1395
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,680
>> Or the fire department or anything else.

1396
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,120
>> No, it's just for Alpine City staff. The

1397
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,040
proposal is to cross the board.

1398
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:44,320
>> I know the proposals, but you said we

1399
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:45,680
were doing a public discussion just

1400
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,800
about the city administrator and the

1401
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:49,400
city planner. Is that the case?

1402
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,760
>> Just to be clear,

1403
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,600
we had a public hearing on the

1404
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,640
compensation, a public hearing that's

1405
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,480
required by law on the compensation for

1406
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,280
municipal executive officers. There are

1407
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:02,600
two of them.

1408
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:02,960
>> Right.

1409
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:06,320
>> There are also staff members, but their

1410
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,320
compensation would be incorporated in

1411
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,880
the final budget would be my guess.

1412
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:12,680
>> But this discussion can encompass all of

1413
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:13,560
it.

1414
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,320
>> Well, you can talk about all of it in

1415
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,920
terms of comparison or whatever, but

1416
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:19,160
>> To me, it's I think it makes sense.

1417
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,560
>> What you vote on if you if you have a

1418
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,440
motion to approve or to deny or to

1419
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,320
table, it's going to be with respect to

1420
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,400
these [clears throat] two employees.

1421
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,840
And then if you're dissatisfied with

1422
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,120
cola increases or other increases for

1423
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,160
other staff members, that would be in

1424
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,360
the final budget discussion.

1425
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:38,960
>> Okay. Thank you for the clarification.

1426
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,960
>> So, I I'm in favor of doing a cola and

1427
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,640
merit, and I um

1428
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:46,640
I personally feel like the cola should

1429
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:48,400
be based off of the COLA and not the

1430
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:52,480
CPI, but that with a merit could to kind

1431
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:53,880
and it also kind of mirrors what other

1432
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:55,400
cities have done.

1433
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,600
Um I did have one question though when

1434
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,000
it because when I'm looking at the

1435
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,680
budget and I'm looking at say planning

1436
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:02,480
and zoning and I'm looking at our city

1437
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,720
expenditures and it says salary and

1438
00:52:04,720 --> 00:52:07,040
wages and it gives me a number and and

1439
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,440
underneath it says employee benefits.

1440
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,320
When I look at that and it and that's

1441
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,440
just for this area

1442
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,560
the benefits are half the cost of the

1443
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,480
salary and wages. Do we periodically

1444
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,560
look at other health care policies and

1445
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:23,640
shop around for

1446
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,320
I mean we want good benefits, but do we

1447
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:27,600
I'm assuming that's something that we

1448
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:27,800
do.

1449
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:29,520
>> part of my understanding is we're part

1450
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,880
of a bigger group. Like we don't just do

1451
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:33,000
it for

1452
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,280
ourselves, right? Don't we do our health

1453
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:36,880
benefits as kind of a group of small

1454
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:37,600
cities?

1455
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,760
>> It it's a pool with P- PHP and

1456
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:42,800
historically our increases have been

1457
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,480
less than public safety and Highland

1458
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,800
City who have a different plan.

1459
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:55,160
>> Thank you. And just so everyone's aware our health care increased 7.7% and

1460
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,560
our dental 3.9.

1461
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,160
>> And and theirs were higher.

1462
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,000
>> Yeah. Okay, wow.

1463
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:05,040
>> Yeah. Okay, are you done? Chrissy?

1464
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:05,680
>> Okay.

1465
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:07,080
>> Oh wait, I'm sorry. I had one question.

1466
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:08,720
Did you have a suggestion for a merit?

1467
00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:12,600
You said 2.8 for a COLA and a merit was

1468
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:16,390
>> Um

1469
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,000
I guess it either to get to the 4.2 it

1470
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:20,760
would probably

1471
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:22,920
or to get to the five it would be 2.2 or

1472
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,920
to get to the 4.2 what would that be?

1473
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:26,440
Hold on.

1474
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,600
>> 1.4 or a 2.

1475
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:32,760
>> Yeah, 1.4 or 2.2.

1476
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:34,440
>> I don't know. Just a thought.

1477
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:34,800
>> Okay.

1478
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,360
>> Sorry, what were your numbers?

1479
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,520
>> So

1480
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,320
my thought was if if we feel good about

1481
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:44,640
the five, we could do 2.8 for the Cola

1482
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,840
and 2.2 for the merit and that would

1483
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,600
give them the option to get five. Or if

1484
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,400
we want to do 2.8 for the Cola

1485
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,800
and 1.4 so that they they can get to the

1486
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,400
CPI number of 4.2.

1487
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:00,120
>> So, I do have a question. Are you

1488
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:01,520
talking about a merit

1489
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:03,320
>> Can I make some comments before we go

1490
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:04,480
too far down the road?

1491
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,200
>> Yes, but I just wanted to finish that

1492
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:07,360
and then we'll go and then we'll move

1493
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,360
forward. Are you thinking um the merit

1494
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,320
as part of a raise or as a one-time

1495
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,680
bonus?

1496
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:15,760
>> Um

1497
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,720
>> These are all bonus. This is none of

1498
00:54:17,720 --> 00:54:20,760
this is bonus. This is all raises.

1499
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:21,120
>> Well

1500
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:22,920
>> that we're looking at here.

1501
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:23,360
>> Some

1502
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:24,800
>> Does this count towards salary and

1503
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,800
affect the pension contributions?

1504
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,360
>> Um not to pension contributions or

1505
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,080
salaries. I know um just based on what

1506
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:33,360
I've seen in other cities and I will

1507
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:33,960
point one out for

1508
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:37,000
>> it's taxable, but it's not considered

1509
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,360
salary for pension contribution.

1510
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,240
>> So, probably bonus.

1511
00:54:42,240 --> 00:54:43,320
>> Okay.

1512
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,280
Um okay. Sorry. Chrissy, you've waited

1513
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:46,480
long enough.

1514
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:47,720
Please.

1515
00:54:47,720 --> 00:54:49,040
Sorry.

1516
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:50,800
>> I took so many notes. I hope this

1517
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,680
doesn't come out jumbled. Um

1518
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:55,960
I do want to first comment about the

1519
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,160
public hearing part of this.

1520
00:54:58,160 --> 00:54:59,320
Um

1521
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,600
I have served 10 years in public office,

1522
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,240
not necessarily just in Alpine

1523
00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:06,800
city, and we've had these public

1524
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,080
hearings for um

1525
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:12,720
city manager or in my the superintendent

1526
00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:14,640
and business administrator.

1527
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,120
And so, um it's it's really uh an

1528
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,520
important part of serving the public is

1529
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,720
understanding um and being transparent.

1530
00:55:23,720 --> 00:55:27,440
And um I know that base I just didn't

1531
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,520
mean to say this, but I just will say in

1532
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,600
reflection of your comments having

1533
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:33,640
served this long I mean, we have to

1534
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:37,360
understand that um individuals are not

1535
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,720
um who we answer to. We answer to the

1536
00:55:39,720 --> 00:55:42,120
law and the ordinances of our city.

1537
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:43,720
And if you can't change the law and

1538
00:55:43,720 --> 00:55:45,760
ordinance of the city, then you really

1539
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:47,520
don't have another rule cuz we're the

1540
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:48,840
legislative body.

1541
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:49,360
>> Right.

1542
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,360
>> And so it's really important that if

1543
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,000
something does need to be changed, that

1544
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,160
we find a way to make it happen and make

1545
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:58,200
it an ordinance or change an ordinance.

1546
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,640
But we personally, any one of us cannot

1547
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,480
direct our staff.

1548
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,960
We only act as a body of five and if we

1549
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,640
have majority vote. So, if there's a

1550
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:09,920
disconnect between what one individual

1551
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:11,560
wants, whether they're a resident or a

1552
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:13,400
council member, and what the city is

1553
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,920
responding to, it's because you don't

1554
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:17,840
have majority, there is no change in

1555
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,160
ordinance. We can't just arbitrarily,

1556
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:21,960
willy-nilly just use the resources of

1557
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,000
our city based on personal preferences.

1558
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:26,760
So, we have to learn to change the laws

1559
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:28,080
and the ordinances, which is a long

1560
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,600
process, but when you sit around long

1561
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,160
enough and you make those changes, they

1562
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:35,880
also will last longer than any one

1563
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,040
person who holds office, which is the

1564
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,080
point of government is it's not

1565
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,200
dependent on who's sitting in this chair

1566
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,240
or any of these chairs or even in

1567
00:56:44,240 --> 00:56:47,280
Shane's chair. Everything needs to

1568
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,800
um outlast us and that's why we have

1569
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:51,800
government is that it's going to be

1570
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,560
operate through um

1571
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:57,000
a legal process. So, I do want to say

1572
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:58,320
that

1573
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,360
um and as a legislative body, we have

1574
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:02,414
>> No.

1575
00:57:02,414 --> 00:57:02,520
>> [laughter]

1576
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:03,280
>> Okay.

1577
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,520
>> Um as a legislative body, this is a

1578
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:07,680
unique opportunity to only talk about

1579
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,600
two people. We don't have a job to

1580
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,200
review everybody and so that's why it's

1581
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:14,640
we're limited to two people in this

1582
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,040
public hearing.

1583
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:19,110
And so um

1584
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:22,080
Uh let's see. I appreciate having served

1585
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,040
for 10 years the open and collaborative

1586
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,360
environment where all voices are

1587
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,520
considered, but at the end of the day,

1588
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,720
we have to follow the laws.

1589
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:32,240
And that's why we're having the public

1590
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:34,400
hearing, because it's legally required

1591
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:35,360
of us.

1592
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:37,680
Um and it's a good idea. But it was

1593
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:39,680
anyways. Okay. When also I'll just

1594
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,240
remind all of us that when we are when

1595
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,680
we took this office, we swore to uphold

1596
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,120
the Constitution. It's not It's about

1597
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,360
any one person or any one resident.

1598
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:51,440
We're here to support the Constitution.

1599
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,640
Okay. Now that I got off I'm getting off

1600
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:55,560
my soapbox. Did not plan to say all

1601
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:58,040
that, but I do feel like it's important

1602
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:00,320
to understand, especially with all of my

1603
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:03,880
public here, how much I appreciate that

1604
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:07,200
we are a a city

1605
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:08,680
a state

1606
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,280
federal government that is governed by

1607
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,000
law. Okay. I appreciate all the extra

1608
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,600
effort to gather information. I love

1609
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,840
numbers and spreadsheets and um

1610
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:21,520
they have gone I think our staff has

1611
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,120
gone over the top in presenting a lot of

1612
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:26,520
the information. Unfortunately, as the

1613
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,440
comments have been said, we've gotten in

1614
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:30,920
a very short window of time to really

1615
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,680
process it and understand it.

1616
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:34,800
Um

1617
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:37,320
we are talking about two people here in

1618
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,480
during the hearing, and judging by the

1619
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,960
information they provided, the total

1620
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:45,240
amount of COLA for two people is about

1621
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:46,840
$10,000.

1622
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:48,760
That's what we're discussing tonight is

1623
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:50,320
$10,000.

1624
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:55,440
So if we're not comfortable with a $10,000

1625
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,600
motion at this point, I we can defer it.

1626
00:58:58,600 --> 00:58:59,960
I just want to make sure that we

1627
00:58:59,960 --> 00:59:01,520
understand we're only talking about

1628
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:04,520
$10,000, which is this column right

1629
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:06,160
here, the COLA

1630
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:07,240
for two people.

1631
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:08,680
>> So can I just make a comment about that?

1632
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:10,360
Yeah, you're right. We're talking about

1633
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:13,080
>> you can't. I'm I'm not done. Thank you.

1634
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:15,200
I won't finish if I if if you don't if

1635
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:18,040
you interrupt me. Okay. Overall, the

1636
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:22,080
full COLA for the entire city is 64,000.

1637
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:25,280
It's that bottom line. And so of that

1638
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:27,480
10,000 would go to our administration.

1639
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,120
So when we get to the big budget hearing

1640
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:31,840
about the full budget, just keep those

1641
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:35,040
two numbers in mind. Um the 4.2% as

1642
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:39,000
proposed is 64,000. So, if we would like to

1643
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,200
adjust that amount,

1644
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:43,720
somebody please check my math. Um it's

1645
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:47,520
about $15,000 for 1%. So, if we want to

1646
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:49,800
split it up in different ways, that's

1647
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:51,480
the cost to the city, and that's what we

1648
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,920
should be talking about. Um in in in

1649
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:58,240
context, so what does 1% raise or a

1650
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,400
merit increase look like? What would it

1651
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:03,800
cost our taxpayers? It would be $15,000

1652
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:05,960
um in total.

1653
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,280
Okay. Um we There were several comments

1654
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,040
about how we wanted to

1655
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:13,640
uh a full look at total compensation,

1656
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:16,160
not just salary. That is not required by

1657
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:18,000
law that we discuss that during the

1658
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,280
public hearing, but it is a topic we've

1659
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:22,560
talked about before. So, if you look at

1660
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:23,880
the two columns over here at the

1661
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,200
medical, and you total them, it's about

1662
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:29,720
$500,000 we pay for medical and dental.

1663
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,680
And then the estimated salary is 1.5

1664
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,200
million. So, to Sarah's point, we pay a

1665
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,120
lot for benefits, um

1666
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:40,560
and that is one of the bonuses of

1667
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:43,240
working in Alpine City is is maybe their

1668
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:45,200
salaries are lower than the mid-range

1669
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,040
based on this what I

1670
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:50,320
briefly could look at last night, but um

1671
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:52,600
their benefits are good. And then over

1672
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:54,200
here, um

1673
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,080
there's another column, and this is why

1674
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:57,680
we just haven't had time to process all

1675
01:00:57,680 --> 01:00:59,480
the information. There's another

1676
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:01,000
300,000.

1677
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:03,000
So, we just need to a little bit of

1678
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:05,440
clarification. In total though, the

1679
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,400
total increase um for the full

1680
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:10,280
compared to last year

1681
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:12,240
is totaled right here on the far right,

1682
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:13,937
the 291.

1683
01:01:13,937 --> 01:01:14,160
>> [snorts]

1684
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:15,200
>> And

1685
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:17,880
overall, the increase is 12.85%.

1686
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,520
So, most of the increase is really um

1687
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:24,360
only $50,000 is what's for the Cola, but

1688
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:25,360
there's

1689
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:27,640
a big increase apparently for our

1690
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:30,480
medical. Um and so

1691
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:31,880
that's just I just want to put some

1692
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:35,920
numbers to the uh topics we've discussed. All

1693
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:40,080
right. In short, um I wanted to also not

1694
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:42,800
overlook a person could not come to the

1695
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:46,280
meeting and um I just wanted to reflect

1696
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:48,600
he's been Oh, wait. I have his name up,

1697
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:52,520
but my computer logged out on me.

1698
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:57,790
And I don't know him personally.

1699
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:01,000
Okay, here we go. Michael R. Robertson.

1700
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:03,400
Um you can record this for his address

1701
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:06,480
is 4338 Stony Brook Circle.

1702
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:09,200
And he did mention that he's um lived

1703
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:14,000
outside of the boundary of Alpine for 27 years, but then they

1704
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,360
were annexed and he lives in the Cove.

1705
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:19,800
And since then um as a city we've had uh

1706
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:22,680
we can help them with with roads, snow

1707
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:25,680
plow, and water. And those are essential

1708
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:27,720
services of the city and he specifically

1709
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:30,480
mentioned how his quality of life has

1710
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:33,440
improved now that they're under the

1711
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:35,240
umbrella of city care. And I thought

1712
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:36,600
that that was really important to

1713
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:39,280
understand that the most fundamental

1714
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:42,520
services that happen in our city are

1715
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:45,560
um that we provide are those fundamental

1716
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:48,000
things like water and safe street

1717
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,400
streets that are in good repair. Um

1718
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,920
that's that's the city's obligation. So

1719
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,120
I thought he was speaking directly to

1720
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:57,480
the quality of life for uh someone who's

1721
01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:59,800
joined the city and seen what is it like

1722
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:01,400
to live outside the city and what is it

1723
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:03,400
like to live inside the city even though

1724
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:05,360
he never moved, right? It's because he's

1725
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:07,520
under the umbrella of care um of

1726
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:10,120
responsibility of our city employees.

1727
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:11,560
And he was very complimentary and I

1728
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:13,000
thought that was a valuable um

1729
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:15,760
information or perspective to share. So

1730
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:18,560
based on that um sorry I cut all of you

1731
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:19,800
off.

1732
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:21,880
Um, but I wanted to get to the end and

1733
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:24,680
if we would like to uh,

1734
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:28,560
table just these two people's salary and

1735
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:30,400
discuss that we can.

1736
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:32,880
I feel like the amount of dollars that

1737
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:36,000
we're talking about is relatively small

1738
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:37,320
considering we have an $8 million

1739
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:40,320
budget. So, I think what we're really,

1740
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:42,920
um, frustrated with is more the process

1741
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:44,320
than what are the dollars that are being

1742
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:47,240
expended. And that's my final comment.

1743
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:49,200
Oh, and I I didn't say personally I I

1744
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:51,240
appreciate working with the city.

1745
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:54,320
Everybody has always very open to new

1746
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:57,440
ideas and then sort of, um, filtering

1747
01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:59,520
them through the reality check of what's

1748
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:02,000
legal, what do they have the resources

1749
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,880
to do, both financial and staff, and

1750
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:08,280
dealing with that reality is, uh, is in

1751
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:10,920
a kind and generous way.

1752
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:12,360
It just to me as someone who doesn't

1753
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,720
always know that much about, you know,

1754
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:17,040
pipes in the street or like I don't

1755
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:18,920
know, you know, what is what is the

1756
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,440
parking regulation for a building. I'm

1757
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,600
sure many of you are here tonight for,

1758
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:26,720
but we rely on our laws and we follow

1759
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:29,360
our laws and we rely on our staff to

1760
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:31,000
help us understand and interpret the

1761
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:33,120
laws. And without that we really

1762
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:34,160
couldn't do our job [clears throat] and

1763
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:36,280
so I do appreciate the staff.

1764
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:37,920
Do you have including Shannon Kaden?

1765
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:39,920
>> Do you have a percentage or amount that

1766
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:42,120
you are comfortable with or are you okay

1767
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:43,160
with the proposal as

1768
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:45,240
>> I think everything's close everything's

1769
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:46,640
we're all in the same ballpark to me.

1770
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:48,480
We're talking about $10,000.

1771
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:51,280
>> I know that's right. Okay. Um, so with

1772
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:55,680
that I will, um,

1773
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:57,960
any further comment?

1774
01:04:57,960 --> 01:04:58,680
Yes, Shane.

1775
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:01,280
>> Can I point out one thing, Mayor? Um, of

1776
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:04,440
that total compensation increase that,

1777
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:07,240
uh, Chrissy mentioned, about a third of

1778
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:08,760
that, actually I think a little over a

1779
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:10,920
third of that is due to an additional

1780
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:12,240
employee.

1781
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:13,200
So,

1782
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:15,320
I just wanted to make that distinction.

1783
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:16,520
>> Oh, thank you.

1784
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:19,480
>> Well, actually though

1785
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:22,190
Oh, okay.

1786
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:23,880
I'm sorry.

1787
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:26,760
>> I have a motion.

1788
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:27,840
>> Please move to table.

1789
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:30,320
>> Yeah, so uh before the motion, I just

1790
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:32,120
want to say that I'm not opposed to

1791
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:35,640
staff raises. I'm just not ready

1792
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:37,560
at this time to approve the raises on

1793
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:39,160
the short notice with all of the

1794
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:41,400
information that's come forward. So, I'd

1795
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:44,400
like to move to table the ordinance

1796
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:46,240
2026-13

1797
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:48,320
to a future City Council meeting

1798
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:50,160
following a publicly noticed work

1799
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:52,400
session on the city's compensation

1800
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:55,120
study, compensation philosophy, market

1801
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:57,080
comparisons, and long-term fiscal

1802
01:05:57,080 --> 01:05:58,560
impacts.

1803
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:01,360
The work session will be held no later

1804
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:04,760
than June 30, 2026.

1805
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:06,720
>> I'll second that.

1806
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,280
>> Okay, it's been moved and seconded to

1807
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:11,360
table. It's been by Councilwoman Smeuen

1808
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:14,480
and seconded by Councilman um Young.

1809
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:16,720
Let's proceed with the roll call vote.

1810
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:17,800
>> Andrew Young, yes.

1811
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:18,760
>> Brent Romney, yes.

1812
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:20,680
>> Jessica Smeuen, yes.

1813
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:23,080
>> Sarah Blackwood, yes.

1814
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:25,520
>> Kristiana Man, no.

1815
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:28,600
>> Okay. It's tabled. Okay, we will move on

1816
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:32,080
to public hearing for ordinance

1817
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:38,670
2026-14.

1818
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:40,000
» Mayor, I think first it would be

1819
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:44,040
appropriate to just kind of give an overview of the

1820
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:45,640
budget here.

1821
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:47,990
Um so,

1822
01:06:47,991 --> 01:06:48,000
» [clears throat]

1823
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:51,200
>> for our fiscal year 2027 budget,

1824
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:55,480
uh from the revenue side of things, um

1825
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:57,760
uh the city recently, just last week,

1826
01:06:57,760 --> 01:06:59,960
adopted the certified tax rate, which

1827
01:06:59,960 --> 01:07:02,240
means that we will collect the same

1828
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:05,320
amount of property tax that we have

1829
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:05,800
Andrew,

1830
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:07,000
>> we listen? Thanks.

1831
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:08,440
>> last year

1832
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:12,480
um plus a little bit for new growth.

1833
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:15,880
That little bit being about 38,000.

1834
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:17,120
Um

1835
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:20,120
for our sales tax revenue, we projected

1836
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:24,320
uh 50,000 over what we had pr-

1837
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:26,520
uh we anticipate in this current fiscal

1838
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:28,240
year.

1839
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:30,560
Um

1840
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:32,720
for staffing uh the

1841
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:34,560
included in the proposed budget is

1842
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:37,880
hiring an entry-level planner.

1843
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:39,280
Um

1844
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:41,120
that would

1845
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:42,240
uh

1846
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:44,840
take care of some workload issues and

1847
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:46,440
then provide our assistant city

1848
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:48,240
administrator more opportunities to

1849
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:51,040
learn um the role

1850
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:53,280
uh in administering the city, kind of

1851
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:55,880
planning for the future.

1852
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:58,400
Uh for Lone Peak Public Safety District,

1853
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:01,880
uh we'll see a 13.94%

1854
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:03,480
increase.

1855
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:05,080
Um but

1856
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:07,560
offsetting that

1857
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:08,840
uh

1858
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:11,800
it due to a a 50% step-in that was

1859
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:14,560
agreed to by both cities.

1860
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:19,319
Um the city will receive back $140,390

1861
01:08:19,319 --> 01:08:22,967
for this just this year.

1862
01:08:22,967 --> 01:08:23,600
>> [clears throat]

1863
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:25,279
>> Um

1864
01:08:25,279 --> 01:08:30,160
So so the actual increase is 304,000

1865
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:33,269
and some change.

1866
01:08:33,279 --> 01:08:34,560
Uh

1867
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:35,759
We received

1868
01:08:35,759 --> 01:08:38,359
uh an increase in our solid waste, um

1869
01:08:38,359 --> 01:08:41,080
but uh we did an analysis on this and

1870
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:42,480
don't

1871
01:08:42,480 --> 01:08:45,080
propose an increase in rates at this

1872
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:47,202
time.

1873
01:08:47,202 --> 01:08:48,400
>> [clears throat]

1874
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:50,640
>> Also, with our capital projects, there's

1875
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:53,359
a lot of them included in this budget.

1876
01:08:53,359 --> 01:08:56,720
Um and just a note on this, so by our

1877
01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:59,560
procurement policy, any expense over

1878
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:01,720
15,000 will come back to the city

1879
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:03,600
council. So,

1880
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:05,279
the majority of these projects would

1881
01:09:05,279 --> 01:09:08,279
come back to city council for a vote to

1882
01:09:08,279 --> 01:09:10,440
approve them, which would need a a

1883
01:09:10,440 --> 01:09:14,057
majority vote of the city council.

1884
01:09:14,057 --> 01:09:14,960
>> [clears throat]

1885
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:17,400
>> Um so, our budget includes street

1886
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:20,279
maintenance projects, which we've tried

1887
01:09:20,279 --> 01:09:22,000
to have a very aggressive program on

1888
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:24,880
this, and I think our our streets

1889
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:26,880
overall show. There might be someone

1890
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:28,799
here there that can make an argument,

1891
01:09:28,799 --> 01:09:31,600
and there are a few streets out there um

1892
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:33,279
that are that are we're trying to get to

1893
01:09:33,279 --> 01:09:34,799
them.

1894
01:09:34,799 --> 01:09:36,400
Um

1895
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:39,120
Also, uh we have 50,000 in there for

1896
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:42,080
traffic calming projects, 25,000 for

1897
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:44,200
sidewalk projects.

1898
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:46,799
Uh we have our fire station project that

1899
01:09:46,799 --> 01:09:51,200
is uh we've held a groundbreaking, and

1900
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:54,000
um I provided a funding scenario here

1901
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:55,600
based on the latest numbers, and this

1902
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:57,760
will be an agenda item

1903
01:09:57,760 --> 01:09:58,440
uh

1904
01:09:58,440 --> 01:10:01,280
later in this agenda.

1905
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:03,240
Uh to approve the guaranteed maximum

1906
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:07,200
price uh for that project.

1907
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:09,680
Um

1908
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:12,320
few other highlights uh

1909
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:13,720
the Canyon Crest Road Improvement

1910
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:16,840
Project was put off a year. Uh we have

1911
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:18,840
MAG funding for that. Uh it's a

1912
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:21,840
significant amount of funding. We're

1913
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:24,480
only responsible for

1914
01:10:24,480 --> 01:10:26,800
uh 6.77%

1915
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:28,480
of that.

1916
01:10:28,480 --> 01:10:32,600
Um we There's been proposed a roundabout

1917
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:34,720
in the budget. Um

1918
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:38,160
I provided an exhibit B here with

1919
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:40,800
multiple different funding scenarios. Um

1920
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:43,000
the most expensive one in the budget is

1921
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:45,840
included in the budget. Um

1922
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:47,720
if some of these others come through, it

1923
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,000
would be very helpful from a financial

1924
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:52,480
standpoint.

1925
01:10:52,480 --> 01:10:56,640
Uh 50,000 for traffic calming projects.

1926
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:58,760
Um

1927
01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:01,400
We have some water projects uh that

1928
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:03,520
we've applied for some funding.

1929
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:05,480
We won't know until later this year, so

1930
01:11:05,480 --> 01:11:07,080
that would be handled in a budget

1931
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:09,280
amendment if we do get that for our

1932
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:11,320
match component and and for the revenue

1933
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:12,840
side.

1934
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:16,120
Um the largest project of all in the

1935
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:18,160
budget uh

1936
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:19,720
and it's not included, but it's

1937
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:22,200
mentioned for a good reason

1938
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:23,320
uh

1939
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:25,600
is there's a proposed

1940
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:27,760
uh

1941
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:31,640
multiple projects of $9 million to help

1942
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:32,840
uh

1943
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:34,600
improve our pressurized irrigation

1944
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:36,360
system.

1945
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:38,040
Uh we plan to have a work session on

1946
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:40,440
that uh go through through that in more

1947
01:11:40,440 --> 01:11:41,680
detail

1948
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:44,080
um determine the final scope and then

1949
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:47,400
we'll we would propose that and and

1950
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:51,249
include that as a budget amendment.

1951
01:11:51,259 --> 01:11:51,560
» [clears throat]

1952
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:52,920
>> Um

1953
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:55,200
As far as equipment replacement goes uh

1954
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:57,840
this budget anticipates the purchase of

1955
01:11:57,840 --> 01:11:59,920
two new pickup trucks, uh one of them

1956
01:11:59,920 --> 01:12:02,240
being a carryover for this year.

1957
01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:05,800
Um by the time we got to that um

1958
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:08,190
it

1959
01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:09,600
we'll have to order them. They're

1960
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:12,240
There's not anything on the lot. So,

1961
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:15,240
it's it's a rollover one of those.

1962
01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:17,280
A large mower which we discussed

1963
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:19,400
previously and then our annual lease

1964
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:21,560
payments on our backhoe

1965
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:23,800
and mini X.

1966
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:27,440
Um for the park tax allocation we've

1967
01:12:27,440 --> 01:12:29,400
done some projects with these funds that

1968
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:30,880
we started collecting a couple years

1969
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:32,920
ago.

1970
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:36,160
Um there's a suggestion that

1971
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:37,120
uh

1972
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:39,640
we maybe allocate 80% of these funds for

1973
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:43,920
parks and 20% for historic preservation.

1974
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:45,960
That's something that we don't have a

1975
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:48,040
motion yet, but it's something that

1976
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:50,600
could be included as part of the budget

1977
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:52,520
to determine how that those funds are

1978
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:55,320
allocated.

1979
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:57,720
Um and then also um

1980
01:12:57,720 --> 01:12:59,600
there's been

1981
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:02,520
a request to create a cash reserve

1982
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:04,440
policy.

1983
01:13:04,440 --> 01:13:05,760
Um

1984
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:07,840
and that this be put in place before

1985
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:09,400
some of these projects move forward

1986
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:11,000
because

1987
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:12,760
you know, it's a significant amount of

1988
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:14,320
money.

1989
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:18,280
Um and so that's something that uh

1990
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:21,480
we can move forward if if that's what the

1991
01:13:21,480 --> 01:13:24,520
council would like us to do.

1992
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:26,160
Um

1993
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:28,320
so everything's here. It's a balanced

1994
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:31,480
budget. There's details of projects on

1995
01:13:31,480 --> 01:13:33,800
the project sheet

1996
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:36,440
uh with all the expenses and where some

1997
01:13:36,440 --> 01:13:38,520
are some projects are funded from

1998
01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:40,320
multiple different funds. It's all

1999
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:42,320
broken out on here.

2000
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:44,320
Uh

2001
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:48,000
what is included today

2002
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:50,360
in this is uh

2003
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:52,120
a 5%

2004
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:53,040
uh

2005
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:54,920
wage increase.

2006
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:58,720
And so if it's different than that, that could

2007
01:13:58,720 --> 01:13:59,920
be you know, that would have to be

2008
01:13:59,920 --> 01:14:02,280
changed and it would just filter through

2009
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:05,040
the the budget. Um

2010
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:06,240
so it

2011
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:07,280
you know, it could end up being

2012
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:09,080
different than what's shown in the

2013
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:11,040
packet tonight.

2014
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:12,800
Um so we would just have to make that

2015
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:15,800
adjustment after.

2016
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:16,920
Um

2017
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:18,480
so

2018
01:14:18,480 --> 01:14:20,080
that's kind of an overview of the

2019
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:23,080
budget. It's pretty aggressive on

2020
01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:25,960
projects. Um

2021
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:27,080
it

2022
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:28,800
you know,

2023
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:30,240
makes me a little nervous on the capital

2024
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:32,720
improvement fund to spend half of it in

2025
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:34,760
one year. Um

2026
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:37,640
our our fund balances have allowed the

2027
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:39,520
city to

2028
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:40,480
uh

2029
01:14:40,480 --> 01:14:42,280
do some different things. When some key

2030
01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:44,240
properties came up, we were able to

2031
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:46,360
purchase them. Um

2032
01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:47,720
part of that came from the capital

2033
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:49,800
improvement fund.

2034
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:52,480
And it's not a a revenue generating

2035
01:14:52,480 --> 01:14:54,840
fund. It's kind of what we end up in

2036
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:57,920
surplus in different situations. And so

2037
01:14:57,920 --> 01:14:59,600
that's that's how we've been able to

2038
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:03,200
survive without um, bonding

2039
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:05,760
much at all the last, you know, 25 or 30

2040
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:06,920
years.

2041
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:09,716
So.

2042
01:15:09,726 --> 01:15:10,560
» [clears throat]

2043
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:12,480
>> I think that's the overview unless you

2044
01:15:12,480 --> 01:15:18,110
want me to touch on something else.

2045
01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:19,080
» No.

2046
01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:20,360
Anybody have any questions for Shane

2047
01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:24,030
before we go to public hearing?

2048
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:24,680
With that

2049
01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:26,600
>> Just a quick question that will probably

2050
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:28,360
be helpful for everyone.

2051
01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:31,480
And this might be for Mr. Casey as well.

2052
01:15:31,480 --> 01:15:34,120
So, just to get some clarification,

2053
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:35,840
you're saying some things we might have

2054
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:38,640
to adjust, massage, or change. Uh,

2055
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:42,960
for example, the uh the 5% increase or

2056
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:45,520
clarification on the park tax with uh

2057
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:47,440
historical stuff.

2058
01:15:47,440 --> 01:15:48,760
I understand we're approving this

2059
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:50,120
tonight.

2060
01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:52,400
What is the latitude we have to change

2061
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:55,040
this after today? Can you just explain a

2062
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:56,840
little bit of that? This is the first

2063
01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:59,760
go-around for the full budget. How how

2064
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:03,000
locked in stone are we tonight? And

2065
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:05,640
then, where does it go from there with

2066
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:08,760
uh minor tweaks or major removals or

2067
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:10,040
additions?

2068
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:10,800
Thanks.

2069
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:12,880
>> Well, I'll let Shane answer that.

2070
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:14,920
>> From the wage standpoint, say if it went

2071
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:16,200
from

2072
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:18,480
five to four and a half or 4.2 or

2073
01:16:18,480 --> 01:16:21,240
whatever your number is, okay? Um, I go

2074
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:23,320
back and plug that into our wage

2075
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:25,360
spreadsheet.

2076
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:26,280
It goes [clears throat] to a different

2077
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:27,960
sheet within the same spreadsheet and

2078
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:30,400
tells me how much gets allocated to each

2079
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:33,680
fund. So then I go through this budget

2080
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:37,560
document and and make all those edits.

2081
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:39,080
So, um

2082
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:40,640
>> Sorry, maybe I should clarify. When do

2083
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:43,120
we make those changes and how do we do

2084
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:43,920
it?

2085
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:44,240
>> Well, it would

2086
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:44,760
>> next

2087
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:45,600
>> council meeting.

2088
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:46,800
>> So, we would just vote again on any

2089
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:48,600
changes to the final budget or does it

2090
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:50,000
all have to be tonight?

2091
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:51,600
>> right now

2092
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:53,400
if you

2093
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:55,680
Yeah, if you made that change

2094
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:57,320
it would be part of the motion.

2095
01:16:57,320 --> 01:16:58,960
>> So, maybe it'd be be helpful to point to

2096
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:00,480
our actually our next agenda item

2097
01:17:00,480 --> 01:17:02,160
because that's what an amendment we're

2098
01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:04,560
amending our current budget. So, there's

2099
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:06,280
journal entries that say where

2100
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:07,640
>> that's for I know that's for our current

2101
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:07,960
I just want to

2102
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:09,120
>> No, it's the same process.

2103
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:10,080
>> It's the same process.

2104
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:10,760
>> Okay.

2105
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:11,200
>> again.

2106
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:12,400
>> So, just I'm what I'm trying to gather

2107
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:14,040
is how specific do you want us to be in

2108
01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:15,440
this motion? Like, do you want us to

2109
01:17:15,440 --> 01:17:17,400
nitpick and everything so we get it like

2110
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:19,240
pretty locked in? Would that be helpful

2111
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:21,080
or are we going to be doing this more

2112
01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:22,120
afterwards?

2113
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:23,880
>> that's up to council. I mean, typically

2114
01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:25,880
we do a mid-year budget adjustment like

2115
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:27,880
the first part of the year and then one

2116
01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:29,440
like at this meeting.

2117
01:17:29,440 --> 01:17:31,160
>> Okay, thanks. That helps.

2118
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:31,960
>> Typically

2119
01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:33,840
>> could be special circumstances that

2120
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:36,120
would require I mean, let's say we've

2121
01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:37,840
already made a decision

2122
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:38,960
to

2123
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:41,240
wait and make a determination. Maybe 5%

2124
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:42,600
is the right number. I just don't know.

2125
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:45,240
I would like to discuss it and and have

2126
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:47,040
more of a discussion so we don't keep

2127
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:48,440
people all night.

2128
01:17:48,440 --> 01:17:50,440
Um

2129
01:17:50,440 --> 01:17:52,280
So, if that's the case, we could have a

2130
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:55,040
budget amendment next meeting.

2131
01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:56,160
Right?

2132
01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:58,480
To make and and I assume that pay raise

2133
01:17:58,480 --> 01:18:00,400
could be made retroactive

2134
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:02,480
>> Well, an amendment requires a public

2135
01:18:02,480 --> 01:18:03,440
hearing.

2136
01:18:03,440 --> 01:18:06,200
>> So, you have to have 7 days notice.

2137
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:07,800
>> Yes. So, there's different ways to

2138
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:10,520
handle it. It It could be approved like

2139
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:12,240
it is right now

2140
01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:14,320
but that

2141
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:18,000
like the increases aren't implemented.

2142
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:19,320
And then

2143
01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:22,320
um the numbers would be plugged in

2144
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:23,800
and that's what would go through payroll

2145
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:26,680
and everything that are approved.

2146
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:28,560
And then at the the next budget

2147
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:30,680
adjustment it you know, whatever

2148
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:32,760
difference could be adjusted out.

2149
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:34,920
There's different ways to do it.

2150
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:37,480
>> I I think Andrew's um normally we don't

2151
01:18:37,480 --> 01:18:40,040
do it this way and so a budget

2152
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:41,520
adjustment comes when there's something

2153
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:42,280
that's

2154
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:44,640
unexpected that's happened or an

2155
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:46,440
opportunity came like Shane has

2156
01:18:46,440 --> 01:18:48,720
mentioned when like we we have the

2157
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:50,520
opportunity to buy the 100 South

2158
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:51,880
property.

2159
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:53,240
That wasn't in the budget.

2160
01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:55,000
>> there's several gray areas. A $9 million

2161
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:58,680
bond that's like not certified but wage

2162
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:00,360
increase for the entire staff.

2163
01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:00,600
>> Right.

2164
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:01,680
>> And

2165
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:04,120
park tax money and there's just several

2166
01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:05,560
gray ones. I'm just trying to

2167
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:07,320
I get prepared for how detailed to go

2168
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:08,240
with them. That's all.

2169
01:19:08,240 --> 01:19:10,560
>> I think we should air on the on the side

2170
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:12,520
of what if we know it now, we approve it

2171
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:14,840
so we don't have to go through

2172
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:16,720
make all the changes.

2173
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:17,480
Um

2174
01:19:17,480 --> 01:19:19,440
>> Just like Shane said, any expenditure

2175
01:19:19,440 --> 01:19:21,480
over $15,000 has to come back and be

2176
01:19:21,480 --> 01:19:22,600
approved individually.

2177
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:23,000
>> Right.

2178
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:25,360
>> So we're not locked in to any of these

2179
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:28,230
projects.

2180
01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:28,760
» You know that

2181
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:30,760
>> I don't mean to belabor this but we kind

2182
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:32,800
of are if we put in the $9 million.

2183
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:33,840
I mean that will come back and

2184
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:35,040
>> million's not in the budget.

2185
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:36,000
>> It's not in the budget.

2186
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:37,680
>> Well, why are we putting it in the

2187
01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:38,760
packet in the budget

2188
01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:41,440
>> It's not there.

2189
01:19:41,440 --> 01:19:43,160
>> But it's not in it's not part of this

2190
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:44,680
budget that you'll be approving.

2191
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:46,920
>> It's just in the ex- okay.

2192
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:48,640
>> a budget amendment in the in the future.

2193
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:50,320
>> Yeah, the way it's explained it would

2194
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:52,880
it's not included in the budget

2195
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:54,680
because things haven't been finalized

2196
01:19:54,680 --> 01:19:56,360
but it would be

2197
01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:58,120
brought into the budget through the

2198
01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:00,760
budget amendment process in the future.

2199
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:04,320
>> Okay, that makes sense. Thanks.

2200
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:05,000
>> Okay.

2201
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:06,200
>> Questions now or waiting till after the

2202
01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:06,480
public hearing?

2203
01:20:06,480 --> 01:20:07,840
>> No, we're going to um do the public

2204
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:10,240
hearing and then um we'll have council

2205
01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:13,000
discussion if that's okay.

2206
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:14,960
I'm going to open the public

2207
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:17,720
hearing. I have um

2208
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:20,000
So we will be discussing anything that

2209
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:21,800
is on our

2210
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:23,640
um general budget.

2211
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:26,280
Um I have three public com- comment

2212
01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:28,840
cards so we will start with Jeff

2213
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:32,040
Gookstool followed by Barry Butler. If

2214
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:35,040
you can come up and state your name and

2215
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:38,080
just the street name and then um

2216
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:40,680
you'll have 3 minutes

2217
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:44,520
on the clock to make a statement.

2218
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:46,840
>> Uh sure. Um I don't see that Oh, there

2219
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:48,080
it goes, right there. Okay, I was

2220
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:52,440
looking for my my timer. Okay. So, um

2221
01:20:52,440 --> 01:20:53,440
what I'm

2222
01:20:53,440 --> 01:20:55,400
coming up and I'm I was thrilled to see

2223
01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:56,760
the things that were in I'm getting

2224
01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:59,000
ready to mention here on the budget is

2225
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:02,720
in regards to Canyon Crest and the Ridge

2226
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:06,840
um Ridge Drive. Um and I and I've really

2227
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:08,160
kind of come to the point now after

2228
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:09,920
sitting in this meeting that I have a

2229
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:13,840
question, okay? Now, I did a survey,

2230
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:16,240
okay, and I have 39 homes that are on

2231
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:20,680
the south side of Ridge Drive, okay?

2232
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:23,880
And I need to know if you guys need a

2233
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:27,520
survey done cuz this is 40 homes and

2234
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:30,160
I'll go do the other side of Ridge Drive

2235
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:32,400
if you want me to so that we can get a

2236
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:35,600
clear perspective of who's really

2237
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:38,080
wanting to do this. I got some positive

2238
01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:40,000
stuff here. I'm going to hand that to

2239
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:41,760
Andrew, but you guys need to tell me

2240
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:43,720
what you want me to do cuz I'm willing

2241
01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:45,200
to go out there and hustle people's

2242
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:49,120
homes and do this. I'm retired and I

2243
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:50,320
have a lot of passion about this

2244
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:51,080
project.

2245
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:52,600
>> Well, Mr. Gupta, why don't you tell them

2246
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:54,040
your actual views? Some of them might

2247
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:55,880
not know you or where you stand on

2248
01:21:55,880 --> 01:21:56,320
things.

2249
01:21:56,320 --> 01:21:57,040
>> Oh, yeah.

2250
01:21:57,040 --> 01:21:58,200
>> But thank you for doing all that

2251
01:21:58,200 --> 01:21:59,320
research.

2252
01:21:59,320 --> 01:22:00,400
>> Uh

2253
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:02,280
I have a lot of passion about that

2254
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:04,840
street out there on Canyon Crest and

2255
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:08,120
Ridge and the importance of doing an

2256
01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:10,440
actual uh

2257
01:22:10,440 --> 01:22:12,040
roundabout.

2258
01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:15,200
It is extremely effective. The city here

2259
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:17,840
has done an excellent job getting

2260
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:20,440
information back as far as from

2261
01:22:20,440 --> 01:22:23,080
engineers, their recommendations. I

2262
01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:26,000
mean, you guys have We spent some money.

2263
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:28,640
And I think it would be of our best

2264
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:31,560
interest to do that. I have Many of you

2265
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:34,360
know Bethany Sorenson, her little girl

2266
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:36,880
was almost hit by a car out there. And

2267
01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:39,520
the speed limit is so frustrating

2268
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:44,040
because they're suddenly right on top

2269
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:45,880
of the kids while they're trying or the

2270
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:47,640
adults while they're trying to cross

2271
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:49,400
that intersection.

2272
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:50,720
And it's tragic. We're going to have a

2273
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:51,800
death.

2274
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:53,320
And I hate to say this, but it probably

2275
01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:56,320
will be a child because they're

2276
01:22:56,320 --> 01:22:59,120
they don't think like us adults do. And

2277
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:00,680
we'll lose them.

2278
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:02,760
Uh it is so dangerous.

2279
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:05,400
And I love our police. They've done a

2280
01:23:05,400 --> 01:23:07,160
great job trying to slow the traffic

2281
01:23:07,160 --> 01:23:08,520
down,

2282
01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:10,960
but it's not working.

2283
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:12,600
Okay, we just really know it's not

2284
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:13,800
working.

2285
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:16,240
So, it's a freeway out there.

2286
01:23:16,240 --> 01:23:18,000
And um

2287
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:18,720
we've got a lot [clears throat] of

2288
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:20,680
people who feel

2289
01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:22,320
that a roundabout would be one of the

2290
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:23,720
better ways. I know there's a couple

2291
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:25,320
people here on the council who aren't

2292
01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:27,800
too thrilled about doing roundabouts,

2293
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:29,840
but something has to be done.

2294
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:32,000
And you're the people to push this thing

2295
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:34,840
through, but remember

2296
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:36,760
we got all these people out here who

2297
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:38,360
want it.

2298
01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:40,600
>> Thank you, Mr. Guptill. We've got

2299
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:42,680
Barry Butler followed by Christian

2300
01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:45,000
Evertine.

2301
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:47,840
>> Uh just a thought. I sitting here trying

2302
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:49,600
to read the fine print.

2303
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:51,520
>> Oh, I'm sorry. Can we have you state

2304
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:53,040
your name and

2305
01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:53,800
>> Avenue.

2306
01:23:53,800 --> 01:23:55,120
>> It's because our recorder is in here.

2307
01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:56,160
>> No, she's listening, so

2308
01:23:56,160 --> 01:23:57,200
>> Thank you.

2309
01:23:57,200 --> 01:23:59,360
Can these screens be flipped from

2310
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:01,680
landscape to portrait so we can see in

2311
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:02,960
the gallery?

2312
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:05,160
It It We could blow it up two or three

2313
01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:06,720
times as much, we could actually see

2314
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:07,880
what we're talking about. Just a

2315
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:09,040
thought.

2316
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:11,160
Um I'm also here about the roundabout on

2317
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:14,240
Ridge and Canyon Crest.

2318
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:17,080
Um my wife and I are educators. I was

2319
01:24:17,080 --> 01:24:20,400
also a financial planner before that.

2320
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:21,720
And

2321
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:24,520
we love to walk our dogs. We'd like to

2322
01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:27,920
go across Canyon Crest on the zebra,

2323
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:29,400
which is supposed to be kind of

2324
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:31,880
bulletproof. When you're entering that,

2325
01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:34,880
it is sacred. No cars should enter when

2326
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:37,480
anybody's on that crossing one side all

2327
01:24:37,480 --> 01:24:39,520
the way to the curb on the other.

2328
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:40,880
And yet

2329
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:43,600
it's the wild, wild west.

2330
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:46,200
Uh we like to walk our dogs. Last year,

2331
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:49,640
repeatedly across the zebra crosswalk up

2332
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:51,280
into the foothills of the mountains,

2333
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:53,440
explore along the foothill pathways, and

2334
01:24:53,440 --> 01:24:54,760
come back.

2335
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:57,120
One time, and I've sent this email to

2336
01:24:57,120 --> 01:24:59,240
all the council members here.

2337
01:24:59,240 --> 01:25:01,320
Now you can put a face

2338
01:25:01,320 --> 01:25:03,560
to those emails.

2339
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:05,680
My wife and I, there's that flashing

2340
01:25:05,680 --> 01:25:08,760
light on the zebra.

2341
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:11,160
When you hit that light button, we're

2342
01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:13,680
looking one way, the other. No cars. All

2343
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:15,880
right. With the two dogs, we walk

2344
01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:18,280
across, my wife and I.

2345
01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:20,400
We get halfway across, all of a sudden

2346
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:22,520
they come screaming around the bend out

2347
01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:25,360
of the roundabout. And this one time,

2348
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:28,480
this car came right up to us. I froze. I

2349
01:25:28,480 --> 01:25:31,800
paralyzed. I had a dog in hand, my wife

2350
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:34,680
had the other. I held my hand up

2351
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:36,720
visually to get their attention, and

2352
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:38,920
screaming at the top of my lungs,

2353
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:40,400
"Stop!"

2354
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:42,720
Thankfully, they did. What would happen

2355
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:45,880
if that driver was distracted?

2356
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:48,840
We would have been a statistic.

2357
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:50,880
Kind of the one that's coming up. I'm

2358
01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:52,720
for sure of that.

2359
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:55,080
Uh increased traffic with Mountain View

2360
01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:58,080
Academy. If you just do a right only as

2361
01:25:58,080 --> 01:26:00,280
you exit that with parents, that's going

2362
01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:02,240
to bring people onto Ridge to come back

2363
01:26:02,240 --> 01:26:05,480
on. It makes that problem even more

2364
01:26:05,480 --> 01:26:06,680
uh

2365
01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:08,560
worse.

2366
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:09,920
Uh

2367
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:11,680
I know there's funding in place to

2368
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:13,800
improve Ridge Drive.

2369
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:17,200
It's happening this next fiscal year.

2370
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:19,960
The money's there to do that.

2371
01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:23,680
There is no better place than right now

2372
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:26,600
at this time to get this roundabout in

2373
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:28,760
to save a life.

2374
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:30,760
Just one more note.

2375
01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:32,720
After school, the last day of school, my

2376
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:34,240
wife and I decided to go out there and

2377
01:26:34,240 --> 01:26:35,960
just watch the kids on their last day of

2378
01:26:35,960 --> 01:26:40,030
school cross. Ah.

2379
01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:41,520
We got there late cuz they were done

2380
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:45,280
half day. We set up our lawn chairs,

2381
01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:47,160
pushed the button,

2382
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:50,240
cross, and invariably more than half, I

2383
01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:52,440
would say 75% of the cars going through

2384
01:26:52,440 --> 01:26:55,560
that zebra with us in the crosswalk,

2385
01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:57,920
didn't even know we were there or care.

2386
01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:04,240
And we're old and we're adults and we don't want to have any statistics in

2387
01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:05,560
our city. Thank you.

2388
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:08,200
>> Thank you, Mr. Butler. Um we've got

2389
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:10,480
Kristen Eberting followed by Michelle

2390
01:27:10,480 --> 01:27:12,320
Williams. Again, please state your name

2391
01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:14,560
and your street name.

2392
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:17,560
>> Kristen Eberting, Cascade Avenue.

2393
01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:19,520
I'm here tonight to ask the city to move

2394
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:21,720
forward with installing a roundabout at

2395
01:27:21,720 --> 01:27:23,800
the intersection of Canyon Crest and

2396
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:25,520
Ridge Drive.

2397
01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:28,160
This is not a new concern. Back in 2016

2398
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:30,280
or 17, I came to the city looking for

2399
01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:31,600
solutions

2400
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:33,360
because traffic on Canyon Crest was

2401
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:35,680
moving so fast making left-hand turn

2402
01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:37,920
onto the road felt dangerous.

2403
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:40,520
At that time, the only suggestions

2404
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:43,880
um was to make it a right turn only and

2405
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:45,320
I said, "No, thank you." because I

2406
01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:48,120
didn't want my neighbors mad at me.

2407
01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:50,760
In August of 2022, I personally invited

2408
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:53,360
the mayor to spend 10 minutes at the

2409
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:55,680
intersection so she could see firsthand

2410
01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:58,680
how dangerous the conditions had become.

2411
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:01,200
I never received a response. My goal is

2412
01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:03,200
not to criticize anyone, but simply to

2413
01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:05,040
ensure that city leadership could

2414
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:07,360
witness what residents experience every

2415
01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:08,560
day.

2416
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:10,520
Nearly a decade has passed since my

2417
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:12,360
first concerns and nothing mean

2418
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:14,000
meaningful has been done to slow

2419
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:16,960
vehicles down or to improve the safety

2420
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:19,200
at this intersection besides a flashing

2421
01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:22,200
crosswalk, which most vehicles do not

2422
01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:24,000
stop for.

2423
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:26,760
City officials have noticed noted that

2424
01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:28,960
enforcing the speed limit is challenging

2425
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:31,640
because of the road's topography,

2426
01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:34,800
curves, hills, and the limited

2427
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:36,800
availability of safe locations for

2428
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:39,360
officers to pull people over.

2429
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:41,320
A roundabout would naturally reduce

2430
01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:43,800
vehicle speeds, improve traffic flow,

2431
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:45,840
and make turning movements safer for

2432
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:49,480
residents, cyclists, and pedestrians. It

2433
01:28:49,480 --> 01:28:53,080
is a proven calming traffic measure.

2434
01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:55,640
Just yesterday while I was turning left

2435
01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:57,880
out of Sierra Avenue, a vehicle came

2436
01:28:57,880 --> 01:28:59,760
toward me at such a high speed that for

2437
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:01,240
one moment I thought I was going to get

2438
01:29:01,240 --> 01:29:02,360
hit.

2439
01:29:02,360 --> 01:29:04,480
This is just a stark reminder that

2440
01:29:04,480 --> 01:29:07,000
safety issues residents

2441
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:10,400
are having are very real.

2442
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:12,240
For 10 years, we have been living with

2443
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:14,400
the same safety concerns. We have

2444
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:17,120
identified the problem. We have received

2445
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:19,360
professional recommendations, yet we are

2446
01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:22,320
still fighting the plan for action.

2447
01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:24,720
To- Tonight, I am asking the council to

2448
01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:27,000
do more than acknowledge the issue. I'm

2449
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:30,080
asking for a commitment to prioritize

2450
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:32,040
the roundabout at this location and to

2451
01:29:32,040 --> 01:29:34,000
provide the public with a clear path

2452
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:35,400
forward.

2453
01:29:35,400 --> 01:29:37,680
If four engineers have already concluded

2454
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:40,160
that a roundabout is the right solution,

2455
01:29:40,160 --> 01:29:42,200
then the ques- question should no longer

2456
01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:44,320
be whether something needs to be done,

2457
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:45,960
but when.

2458
01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:47,120
I appreciate your time and

2459
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:48,880
consideration, and I hope we can finally

2460
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:51,240
make meaningful progress on improving

2461
01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:53,760
safety at this intersection.

2462
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:54,880
Thank you.

2463
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:57,720
>> Thank you. We've got Michael Williams

2464
01:29:57,720 --> 01:30:00,480
followed by Lisa Marion. Again, please

2465
01:30:00,480 --> 01:30:02,280
state your name and the name of the

2466
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:08,510
street that you live on.

2467
01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:14,510
Oh, yeah.

2468
01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:17,230
So

2469
01:30:17,240 --> 01:30:18,880
» Okay, I was here last month. I'm Lisa

2470
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:19,960
Marie and I think I've been here a

2471
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:20,800
bunch.

2472
01:30:20,800 --> 01:30:21,800
>> What's your street name?

2473
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:25,560
>> Oh, Fifer Horn Drive. So um

2474
01:30:25,560 --> 01:30:27,480
I I'm also

2475
01:30:27,480 --> 01:30:29,160
going to talk about the roundabout. So,

2476
01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:31,080
thanks again. I'm glad to see all of you

2477
01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:32,720
here. um

2478
01:30:32,720 --> 01:30:34,960
I care a lot about safety. I have five

2479
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:37,680
children, so that's really important um

2480
01:30:37,680 --> 01:30:40,440
to me as well. I live on the northwest

2481
01:30:40,440 --> 01:30:42,120
side of Alpine and we have a lot of

2482
01:30:42,120 --> 01:30:45,040
traffic issues over there. I There's

2483
01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:47,120
like at least an annual accident coming

2484
01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:49,480
out. There's a little T over there um

2485
01:30:49,480 --> 01:30:51,160
that it that is

2486
01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:52,640
I don't know if it's reported police or

2487
01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:53,840
whatever, but it always takes down the

2488
01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:55,360
Nelsons fence.

2489
01:30:55,360 --> 01:30:56,680
Anyway,

2490
01:30:56,680 --> 01:31:00,480
I um we have also submitted a petition

2491
01:31:00,480 --> 01:31:01,840
against the roundabout that I think you

2492
01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:03,120
guys have probably all received your

2493
01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:04,000
email.

2494
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:05,720
um

2495
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:06,480
I

2496
01:31:06,480 --> 01:31:08,000
We feel that it would actually cause

2497
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:10,040
more problems than be a benefit to the

2498
01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:12,560
city. It's I think a minimum of 1.5

2499
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:14,840
million dollars and we're quabbling over

2500
01:31:14,840 --> 01:31:17,640
a raise for Shane over a few percent,

2501
01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:20,040
which um seems really silly when we're

2502
01:31:20,040 --> 01:31:21,400
trying to put in a really expensive

2503
01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:23,680
thing. I I think didn't you hire

2504
01:31:23,680 --> 01:31:26,280
somebody to come and do a survey and the

2505
01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:27,680
roundabout might have been number four

2506
01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:29,960
on that list and the most expensive. So,

2507
01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:31,880
I think um we all care about safety and

2508
01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:33,320
we want people to feel safe and that

2509
01:31:33,320 --> 01:31:34,320
their

2510
01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:36,520
voices are being heard and that we're

2511
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:38,880
um you know, fixing the problems in our

2512
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:41,640
community, but feels like

2513
01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:44,720
a roundabout is a really expensive way

2514
01:31:44,720 --> 01:31:47,080
to do it and in a lot of ways it's

2515
01:31:47,080 --> 01:31:48,400
unsafe. I used to live in Carmel,

2516
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:50,760
Indiana and I think it's the city with

2517
01:31:50,760 --> 01:31:52,400
the most roundabouts in the whole

2518
01:31:52,400 --> 01:31:55,240
country. So, I saw that they do have a

2519
01:31:55,240 --> 01:31:57,040
benefit in some ways that are fantastic,

2520
01:31:57,040 --> 01:31:59,360
but there also are problems with it and

2521
01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:01,000
if an issue is trying to cross the

2522
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:03,080
street, um roundabouts are actually

2523
01:32:03,080 --> 01:32:04,720
really complicated for young kids to

2524
01:32:04,720 --> 01:32:06,200
figure out how to figure out the traffic

2525
01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:08,720
pattern. Anyway, that's it. Thank you.

2526
01:32:08,720 --> 01:32:10,600
>> Thank you. And then

2527
01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:11,880
um

2528
01:32:11,880 --> 01:32:13,640
we'll have Lindy Williams and Michael

2529
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:17,070
Williams.

2530
01:32:17,080 --> 01:32:18,040
So again, if you could just state your

2531
01:32:18,040 --> 01:32:21,200
name and your street name.

2532
01:32:21,200 --> 01:32:23,360
>> My name is Lindy Williams and I live on

2533
01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:26,320
Pine View. So I drive on

2534
01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:28,840
I go to High Bench and then Ridge Drive

2535
01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:31,960
every day, all day. Um, I take kids to

2536
01:32:31,960 --> 01:32:34,920
the schools and I don't see a need for

2537
01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:37,520
the roundabout. Um

2538
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:40,040
I don't have enough traffic that I wait

2539
01:32:40,040 --> 01:32:44,590
for. So that's all. Thanks.

2540
01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:50,630
» And then Michael Williams.

2541
01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:52,520
» I'm Mike Williams. I live on Pine View

2542
01:32:52,520 --> 01:32:53,560
Drive.

2543
01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:55,240
And I just heard about this today, so I

2544
01:32:55,240 --> 01:32:57,080
don't know a whole lot about it, but I'm

2545
01:32:57,080 --> 01:33:00,720
opposed to a roundabout on a three-way

2546
01:33:00,720 --> 01:33:02,720
that's not even really stop.

2547
01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:05,800
And I think there'd be cheaper solutions

2548
01:33:05,800 --> 01:33:08,480
to this uh whatever the problem is. Kids

2549
01:33:08,480 --> 01:33:10,120
crossing the road.

2550
01:33:10,120 --> 01:33:12,440
Um, yeah, that's it.

2551
01:33:12,440 --> 01:33:13,480
>> Thank you.

2552
01:33:13,480 --> 01:33:15,920
Okay. Um, are there any other comments

2553
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:18,760
regarding the um

2554
01:33:18,760 --> 01:33:23,430
final budget?

2555
01:33:23,440 --> 01:33:25,520
Can you come up and state your name and

2556
01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:27,640
your address? And then afterwards, if

2557
01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:29,240
you can fill out a form, I'd appreciate

2558
01:33:29,240 --> 01:33:29,520
it.

2559
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:31,040
>> Actually, I put one in, but I said the

2560
01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:33,600
master plan. But anyway, it is related

2561
01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:34,320
to the budget.

2562
01:33:34,320 --> 01:33:35,800
>> Oh, I didn't see it. I'm sorry.

2563
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:38,000
>> It might

2564
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:39,040
may not have gotten in.

2565
01:33:39,040 --> 01:33:41,000
>> I didn't see it. Sorry about that.

2566
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:43,560
>> is Carl Negley. I live on Cascade

2567
01:33:43,560 --> 01:33:46,360
Avenue. Uh I have two comments. One is

2568
01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:47,680
about

2569
01:33:47,680 --> 01:33:51,000
the budget for the compensation. If you

2570
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:53,040
guys are putting together a compensation

2571
01:33:53,040 --> 01:33:55,360
and you're not taking into account the

2572
01:33:55,360 --> 01:33:58,320
fact that Alpine pays 100%

2573
01:33:58,320 --> 01:34:01,080
of the medical and then you're comparing

2574
01:34:01,080 --> 01:34:02,640
us to other cities, you guys are flying

2575
01:34:02,640 --> 01:34:04,640
blind. You need to have the total

2576
01:34:04,640 --> 01:34:06,240
compensation

2577
01:34:06,240 --> 01:34:08,400
because everybody else that's in that

2578
01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:10,440
study on the other cities,

2579
01:34:10,440 --> 01:34:12,520
they're paying for part of their medical

2580
01:34:12,520 --> 01:34:14,280
and you guys aren't accounting for that,

2581
01:34:14,280 --> 01:34:16,000
which is a direct

2582
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:19,080
benefit for the employees. So, you need

2583
01:34:19,080 --> 01:34:21,400
to figure out what that looks like

2584
01:34:21,400 --> 01:34:23,440
because it's a big piece of the budget.

2585
01:34:23,440 --> 01:34:25,720
On the roundabout, I'm in favor of the

2586
01:34:25,720 --> 01:34:27,240
roundabout.

2587
01:34:27,240 --> 01:34:29,400
The only other comment than what's

2588
01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:31,280
already been said is if there's a

2589
01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:33,720
fatality on that crosswalk

2590
01:34:33,720 --> 01:34:36,560
and if that fatality is a child,

2591
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:38,400
nobody on this council will survive the

2592
01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:42,120
next election. I can guarantee that.

2593
01:34:42,120 --> 01:34:44,360
So, that's my comment for tonight.

2594
01:34:44,360 --> 01:34:47,110
>> Thank you, sir.

2595
01:34:47,120 --> 01:34:49,120
Okay, if there are no further comments

2596
01:34:49,120 --> 01:34:50,920
regarding our general budget, we'll

2597
01:34:50,920 --> 01:34:54,080
proceed with comments from our

2598
01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:57,630
councilman.

2599
01:34:57,640 --> 01:35:00,760
» Okay, this is a big topic.

2600
01:35:00,760 --> 01:35:03,120
I'll just go through them and uh feel

2601
01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:04,520
free to

2602
01:35:04,520 --> 01:35:07,080
ask any questions or uh

2603
01:35:07,080 --> 01:35:08,040
I just if you could just let me get

2604
01:35:08,040 --> 01:35:09,440
through them, I think it will be

2605
01:35:09,440 --> 01:35:11,440
beneficial for us all.

2606
01:35:11,440 --> 01:35:12,400
Uh

2607
01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:13,880
I will start on the roundabout since

2608
01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:16,560
it's one of the uh

2609
01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:20,080
biggest items on the budget and I agree

2610
01:35:20,080 --> 01:35:23,960
with what both groups have said here and

2611
01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:26,880
I've had a lot of calls about it today.

2612
01:35:26,880 --> 01:35:29,680
We want a fix so this and I've talked to

2613
01:35:29,680 --> 01:35:32,160
Brent and a little bit of Jessica's. We

2614
01:35:32,160 --> 01:35:35,120
want a fix for that area.

2615
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:36,800
I am not against it

2616
01:35:36,800 --> 01:35:39,640
cuz traffic is my number one thing.

2617
01:35:39,640 --> 01:35:41,680
It is expensive as you know. You know my

2618
01:35:41,680 --> 01:35:43,760
desire to have it paid for through the

2619
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:45,600
sale of land.

2620
01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:47,400
I think it's a golden solution if we can

2621
01:35:47,400 --> 01:35:49,000
get that.

2622
01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:50,280
Um

2623
01:35:50,280 --> 01:35:52,640
the things I just want to bring for

2624
01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:54,720
everyone including the great research

2625
01:35:54,720 --> 01:35:56,960
that Mr. Guptill has done and and his

2626
01:35:56,960 --> 01:35:59,560
neighbors and knowing that we need

2627
01:35:59,560 --> 01:36:01,040
something there as a couple residents

2628
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:02,320
have come

2629
01:36:02,320 --> 01:36:05,920
and said, "What about stop signs?"

2630
01:36:05,920 --> 01:36:06,920
Now, I'm not saying not to the

2631
01:36:06,920 --> 01:36:08,680
roundabout, but I have a question that

2632
01:36:08,680 --> 01:36:10,400
everyone should probably know. If we

2633
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:12,880
were to approve the roundabout,

2634
01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:15,680
how long would it take given the best

2635
01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:18,520
situation with MAG that it starts

2636
01:36:18,520 --> 01:36:20,880
construction? So, cuz what I'm

2637
01:36:20,880 --> 01:36:22,880
understanding is 10 months minimum,

2638
01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:25,880
maybe a year and a half to 2 years.

2639
01:36:25,880 --> 01:36:28,240
Let's say we approve it in the budget,

2640
01:36:28,240 --> 01:36:30,360
1.5-ish,

2641
01:36:30,360 --> 01:36:33,080
and it goes forward, how long until are

2642
01:36:33,080 --> 01:36:34,720
we looking at it actually being

2643
01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:37,200
implemented? Cuz I think it'll help us

2644
01:36:37,200 --> 01:36:38,680
in a couple decisions.

2645
01:36:38,680 --> 01:36:40,760
>> We We really can't answer that question

2646
01:36:40,760 --> 01:36:42,480
right now. The one challenge with this,

2647
01:36:42,480 --> 01:36:44,880
it's it's a joint project with Highland

2648
01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:47,320
City. They have to acquire a bunch of

2649
01:36:47,320 --> 01:36:48,720
right-of-way.

2650
01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:51,040
And it depends on how that goes for

2651
01:36:51,040 --> 01:36:51,840
them. So,

2652
01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:52,480
>> about the

2653
01:36:52,480 --> 01:36:54,880
>> The Alpine portion won't start without

2654
01:36:54,880 --> 01:36:56,400
the Highland portion.

2655
01:36:56,400 --> 01:36:58,040
>> Okay, so so that's a little bit unknown.

2656
01:36:58,040 --> 01:36:59,360
>> But I think the original thought was it

2657
01:36:59,360 --> 01:37:00,480
was going to start this year, but

2658
01:37:00,480 --> 01:37:02,680
because of the delays, the soonest would

2659
01:37:02,680 --> 01:37:04,160
be probably next spring, right?

2660
01:37:04,160 --> 01:37:06,120
>> Yeah, as far as the soonest it would

2661
01:37:06,120 --> 01:37:08,040
start, yes, next spring, but that's even

2662
01:37:08,040 --> 01:37:11,080
dependent on right-of-way acquisition.

2663
01:37:11,080 --> 01:37:12,680
>> Councilman Rommel, I call you Brent, but

2664
01:37:12,680 --> 01:37:14,440
I'll do my best to remember.

2665
01:37:14,440 --> 01:37:16,760
What If we approve this, are you

2666
01:37:16,760 --> 01:37:18,240
intending

2667
01:37:18,240 --> 01:37:21,720
with the residents who want this to only

2668
01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:24,240
install this when

2669
01:37:24,240 --> 01:37:28,080
the MAG grant happens or before?

2670
01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:30,080
>> No, it's it would be at the same time.

2671
01:37:30,080 --> 01:37:32,680
That's talking to the staff, for Shane

2672
01:37:32,680 --> 01:37:34,800
in particular and and Jason, our city

2673
01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:35,920
engineer.

2674
01:37:35,920 --> 01:37:38,080
It doesn't make This is And that's part

2675
01:37:38,080 --> 01:37:39,240
of the reason is the timing.

2676
01:37:39,240 --> 01:37:40,720
>> Okay. I I agree. We're going to tear up

2677
01:37:40,720 --> 01:37:42,280
Canyon Crest.

2678
01:37:42,280 --> 01:37:43,600
>> We are absolutely absolutely going to

2679
01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:44,720
tear up Canyon Crest

2680
01:37:44,720 --> 01:37:46,280
>> And some people those who know that. The

2681
01:37:46,280 --> 01:37:48,280
Canyon Crest has a project and so it

2682
01:37:48,280 --> 01:37:49,760
works to rip them up together.

2683
01:37:49,760 --> 01:37:51,800
>> Right. The Basically, it's going to redo

2684
01:37:51,800 --> 01:37:52,800
Canyon Crest all the way from the

2685
01:37:52,800 --> 01:37:55,480
roundabout to SR 92. So, it's the all

2686
01:37:55,480 --> 01:37:56,640
street. That's why there hasn't been

2687
01:37:56,640 --> 01:37:57,920
maintenance on that street for so many

2688
01:37:57,920 --> 01:38:00,320
years. It is because as my understanding

2689
01:38:00,320 --> 01:38:02,000
is because we we knew that this project

2690
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:03,640
was coming and you don't want to

2691
01:38:03,640 --> 01:38:05,800
inconvenience residents twice.

2692
01:38:05,800 --> 01:38:07,480
There's a cost savings by doing it at

2693
01:38:07,480 --> 01:38:09,000
the same time as the other project

2694
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:12,040
because you don't have to do as much. Um

2695
01:38:12,040 --> 01:38:12,240
>> Okay.

2696
01:38:12,240 --> 01:38:13,360
>> And then and then the in the budget

2697
01:38:13,360 --> 01:38:15,640
proposal, the first I'd seen this

2698
01:38:15,640 --> 01:38:17,280
it was on Fri- Fri- Well, I saw it

2699
01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:18,360
Monday morning when I first looked at

2700
01:38:18,360 --> 01:38:20,120
the budget. The staff has come up with

2701
01:38:20,120 --> 01:38:21,720
another proposal that could be a cost

2702
01:38:21,720 --> 01:38:22,680
saver

2703
01:38:22,680 --> 01:38:24,680
that would alter the plan a little bit

2704
01:38:24,680 --> 01:38:26,160
for that path.

2705
01:38:26,160 --> 01:38:28,320
Um and be able to use some of that money

2706
01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:29,480
toward

2707
01:38:29,480 --> 01:38:31,320
a potential potential roundabout.

2708
01:38:31,320 --> 01:38:31,600
>> Okay.

2709
01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:34,080
>> And then the other aspect that our Shane

2710
01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:35,880
has discussed

2711
01:38:35,880 --> 01:38:38,280
is that if the roundabout is proposed or

2712
01:38:38,280 --> 01:38:41,320
is the proposed is approved that um

2713
01:38:41,320 --> 01:38:43,960
that because it's going to be won't be

2714
01:38:43,960 --> 01:38:45,160
done in this fiscal

2715
01:38:45,160 --> 01:38:46,320
the majority it won't be completed in

2716
01:38:46,320 --> 01:38:49,120
this fiscal year that it could be

2717
01:38:49,120 --> 01:38:51,400
the any cost out of the out of the

2718
01:38:51,400 --> 01:38:53,280
capital improvement funds or these other

2719
01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:55,320
funds could be split over two fiscal

2720
01:38:55,320 --> 01:38:57,680
years. So, it's not just a single

2721
01:38:57,680 --> 01:38:59,120
budgetary hit on one year. Kind of like

2722
01:38:59,120 --> 01:39:00,680
we're doing with the fire station. We're

2723
01:39:00,680 --> 01:39:02,320
spreading that out over over two fiscal

2724
01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:03,400
years.

2725
01:39:03,400 --> 01:39:05,680
>> Thank you. So, and just a clarification,

2726
01:39:05,680 --> 01:39:07,040
this whole project we're talking about

2727
01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:08,880
roundabout and the MAG does not increase

2728
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:11,200
the width of Canyon Crest. A lot of

2729
01:39:11,200 --> 01:39:13,640
people ask about that. It does not. As

2730
01:39:13,640 --> 01:39:15,560
far as I understand, am I wrong?

2731
01:39:15,560 --> 01:39:17,680
>> No, it's all it has It's adding a

2732
01:39:17,680 --> 01:39:19,000
multi-purpose trail.

2733
01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:19,960
>> right, but not increase.

2734
01:39:19,960 --> 01:39:21,040
>> Within the same right-of-way.

2735
01:39:21,040 --> 01:39:23,040
>> Right. So, say this takes a year or till

2736
01:39:23,040 --> 01:39:24,520
next spring.

2737
01:39:24,520 --> 01:39:25,720
Are you guys at all opposed to putting

2738
01:39:25,720 --> 01:39:27,360
stop signs there so we can mitigate the

2739
01:39:27,360 --> 01:39:29,560
problem in the meantime in a cheap way

2740
01:39:29,560 --> 01:39:30,760
and then

2741
01:39:30,760 --> 01:39:32,800
whether it's approved or not, continue

2742
01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:34,960
with a roundabout in the interim or do

2743
01:39:34,960 --> 01:39:37,960
you want it to be left bare until we get

2744
01:39:37,960 --> 01:39:40,880
uh a full-fledged roundabout there?

2745
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:43,480
>> So, with the engineers' recommendations,

2746
01:39:43,480 --> 01:39:45,480
um we've we've already had four separate

2747
01:39:45,480 --> 01:39:47,120
engineers recommend a roundabout for

2748
01:39:47,120 --> 01:39:49,040
this intersection. The most recent was

2749
01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:51,240
Fair & Peers, which did

2750
01:39:51,240 --> 01:39:52,400
um

2751
01:39:52,400 --> 01:39:54,640
a study related solely to the Mountain

2752
01:39:54,640 --> 01:39:56,760
View Academy, solely related to

2753
01:39:56,760 --> 01:39:58,000
>> I'm not discounting

2754
01:39:58,000 --> 01:39:59,000
>> I'm just getting to I'm getting to

2755
01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:00,400
answer your question.

2756
01:40:00,400 --> 01:40:03,600
And they found that

2757
01:40:03,600 --> 01:40:05,240
as we divert traffic, Mountain View

2758
01:40:05,240 --> 01:40:06,840
traffic off of Main, which is a

2759
01:40:06,840 --> 01:40:08,360
significant goal of the council,

2760
01:40:08,360 --> 01:40:09,040
>> goes to there.

2761
01:40:09,040 --> 01:40:10,840
>> that it will major A lot of that traffic

2762
01:40:10,840 --> 01:40:13,080
will go to Ridge and Canyon Crest. And

2763
01:40:13,080 --> 01:40:14,960
they opined, independent of any

2764
01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:16,600
knowledge of the history of this, and

2765
01:40:16,600 --> 01:40:18,120
the other three engineers have

2766
01:40:18,120 --> 01:40:20,400
recommended a roundabout, they opined

2767
01:40:20,400 --> 01:40:21,800
that that would likely cause the

2768
01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:23,960
intersection to completely fail.

2769
01:40:23,960 --> 01:40:26,760
And but our engineer

2770
01:40:26,760 --> 01:40:28,240
>> let them know that there's a proposed

2771
01:40:28,240 --> 01:40:30,720
roundabout, and they put in their

2772
01:40:30,720 --> 01:40:33,520
traffic report that

2773
01:40:33,520 --> 01:40:34,120
um

2774
01:40:34,120 --> 01:40:35,800
the proposed roundabout would alleviate

2775
01:40:35,800 --> 01:40:37,440
the concern about that intersection

2776
01:40:37,440 --> 01:40:39,040
failing, just from an operational

2777
01:40:39,040 --> 01:40:40,520
standpoint. It had nothing to do with

2778
01:40:40,520 --> 01:40:42,880
the safety concerns that are also raised

2779
01:40:42,880 --> 01:40:44,200
by citizens.

2780
01:40:44,200 --> 01:40:45,680
>> I I'm with you on all the studies.

2781
01:40:45,680 --> 01:40:47,400
>> to get the results of that really, you

2782
01:40:47,400 --> 01:40:47,520
know,

2783
01:40:47,520 --> 01:40:48,760
>> No, I'm [clears throat] not discounting

2784
01:40:48,760 --> 01:40:50,760
anything of the roundabout or anything.

2785
01:40:50,760 --> 01:40:52,320
>> as the stop signs go,

2786
01:40:52,320 --> 01:40:54,440
>> what we do in the year, so that some of

2787
01:40:54,440 --> 01:40:56,000
the concerns that everyone raised.

2788
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:58,360
Everyone has raised safety concerns.

2789
01:40:58,360 --> 01:41:00,680
The only objection any residents have,

2790
01:41:00,680 --> 01:41:02,880
like the Pfeiffer-Horn folks,

2791
01:41:02,880 --> 01:41:04,520
is not that it's not a good idea Well, I

2792
01:41:04,520 --> 01:41:06,040
guess some of them said

2793
01:41:06,040 --> 01:41:07,640
it's that there might be a cheaper

2794
01:41:07,640 --> 01:41:09,960
option. So, say we do go with this, I

2795
01:41:09,960 --> 01:41:12,600
just would like to

2796
01:41:12,600 --> 01:41:14,280
propose the option that we do something

2797
01:41:14,280 --> 01:41:16,200
quickly and cheaply to fix it in the

2798
01:41:16,200 --> 01:41:17,520
meantime. That's That's all I'm saying.

2799
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:19,280
>> I'll give you my recollection of what

2800
01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:20,920
other engineers have said about stop

2801
01:41:20,920 --> 01:41:23,320
signs, and what some residents have

2802
01:41:23,320 --> 01:41:28,240
expressed their opinion, is that would reduce efficiency overall. A

2803
01:41:28,240 --> 01:41:30,360
roundabout The purpose of the roundabout

2804
01:41:30,360 --> 01:41:32,320
needs We've had four engineers say it

2805
01:41:32,320 --> 01:41:33,800
would not only improve safety because of

2806
01:41:33,800 --> 01:41:35,920
the the topography, you blind curve, and

2807
01:41:35,920 --> 01:41:37,880
the and the hillcrest, but it would

2808
01:41:37,880 --> 01:41:39,680
improve operational efficiency. And the

2809
01:41:39,680 --> 01:41:41,520
stop signs, you can correct me if I'm

2810
01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:43,440
wrong, would detract from that

2811
01:41:43,440 --> 01:41:45,080
operational efficiency that is currently

2812
01:41:45,080 --> 01:41:46,280
in place.

2813
01:41:46,280 --> 01:41:47,240
>> I I was just saying

2814
01:41:47,240 --> 01:41:49,840
>> a temporary refuge?

2815
01:41:49,840 --> 01:41:50,880
You know how there's like temporary

2816
01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:52,640
speed humps? Is there a temporary

2817
01:41:52,640 --> 01:41:54,600
pedestrian so that

2818
01:41:54,600 --> 01:41:55,800
um

2819
01:41:55,800 --> 01:41:57,800
refuge that we can implement? Cuz

2820
01:41:57,800 --> 01:42:00,600
really, if we're you know,

2821
01:42:00,600 --> 01:42:02,880
for me, the primary concern is safety of

2822
01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:04,480
pedestrians, especially our younger

2823
01:42:04,480 --> 01:42:05,840
pedestrians.

2824
01:42:05,840 --> 01:42:07,440
I think I talked to you before about the

2825
01:42:07,440 --> 01:42:08,920
lights and how, you know, there's even

2826
01:42:08,920 --> 01:42:11,360
talk of more advanced warning and maybe

2827
01:42:11,360 --> 01:42:13,000
even yellow lights instead of white

2828
01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:14,680
lights, cuz sometimes in really bright

2829
01:42:14,680 --> 01:42:18,080
light, it's visibility is hard on just

2830
01:42:18,080 --> 01:42:19,360
the white lights.

2831
01:42:19,360 --> 01:42:21,560
But um I know Shane's mentioned many

2832
01:42:21,560 --> 01:42:24,440
times to have a pedestrian refuge, um

2833
01:42:24,440 --> 01:42:26,240
that that could be a possible solution

2834
01:42:26,240 --> 01:42:29,040
to make it safer for the pedestrians.

2835
01:42:29,040 --> 01:42:30,480
But is there a way to Is there such a

2836
01:42:30,480 --> 01:42:33,440
thing as a temporary or something that

2837
01:42:33,440 --> 01:42:36,120
wouldn't be as um

2838
01:42:36,120 --> 01:42:37,760
evasive,

2839
01:42:37,760 --> 01:42:39,840
you know, and something that could be

2840
01:42:39,840 --> 01:42:41,840
more cost-effective, but still have the

2841
01:42:41,840 --> 01:42:43,600
same effect?

2842
01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:45,760
>> We haven't looked into it, but there's

2843
01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:47,720
likely something like that out there. I

2844
01:42:47,720 --> 01:42:49,760
mean, there's the

2845
01:42:49,760 --> 01:42:52,840
speed hump or whatever the Highland use

2846
01:42:52,840 --> 01:42:55,040
There's probably some composite product

2847
01:42:55,040 --> 01:42:57,360
out there like that.

2848
01:42:57,360 --> 01:42:57,960
We can check it

2849
01:42:57,960 --> 01:42:59,280
>> Cuz I think that's something that we can

2850
01:42:59,280 --> 01:43:01,160
look at until the project starts, cuz

2851
01:43:01,160 --> 01:43:03,720
we're, you know, this project was the

2852
01:43:03,720 --> 01:43:05,160
project that we're talking about is the

2853
01:43:05,160 --> 01:43:07,160
project that was funded by uh

2854
01:43:07,160 --> 01:43:09,240
Mountainland Association of Governments,

2855
01:43:09,240 --> 01:43:11,200
and it's a multi-use trails that is

2856
01:43:11,200 --> 01:43:13,360
going to span from

2857
01:43:13,360 --> 01:43:14,960
the Murdock Canal Trail, and it's

2858
01:43:14,960 --> 01:43:17,600
already started down um Highland, and it

2859
01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:20,960
stops at SR-92. It will continue from

2860
01:43:20,960 --> 01:43:22,760
SR-92

2861
01:43:22,760 --> 01:43:24,560
along Canyon Crest all the way to our

2862
01:43:24,560 --> 01:43:25,920
roundabout.

2863
01:43:25,920 --> 01:43:28,160
And MAG is going to be paying for the

2864
01:43:28,160 --> 01:43:30,960
lion's share of it. It's like 97. No,

2865
01:43:30,960 --> 01:43:33,080
93.7%

2866
01:43:33,080 --> 01:43:35,680
of the of the total cost of the project

2867
01:43:35,680 --> 01:43:37,480
and the city is responsible for the

2868
01:43:37,480 --> 01:43:39,280
portion that's in our city and the

2869
01:43:39,280 --> 01:43:41,080
remainder to make up for that. So like

2870
01:43:41,080 --> 01:43:43,040
6.3%.

2871
01:43:43,040 --> 01:43:44,480
Um

2872
01:43:44,480 --> 01:43:47,120
So that's the project that we're talking

2873
01:43:47,120 --> 01:43:50,280
about. Um there are a lot of things that

2874
01:43:50,280 --> 01:43:52,400
I know Shane has um suggested. This is a

2875
01:43:52,400 --> 01:43:54,320
project that should have

2876
01:43:54,320 --> 01:43:55,800
been started and working on but with the

2877
01:43:55,800 --> 01:43:58,040
way that MAG works is it approves a

2878
01:43:58,040 --> 01:44:00,200
project but it doesn't actually fund yet

2879
01:44:00,200 --> 01:44:02,720
until 4 years later.

2880
01:44:02,720 --> 01:44:05,000
And so um you know some of the things

2881
01:44:05,000 --> 01:44:07,000
that we have done to get ready for it,

2882
01:44:07,000 --> 01:44:09,080
you know you know uh Brent was talking

2883
01:44:09,080 --> 01:44:10,960
about how it could be cost effective to

2884
01:44:10,960 --> 01:44:14,240
do it at the same time. We did the um

2885
01:44:14,240 --> 01:44:15,960
pressurized irrigation upside pipe

2886
01:44:15,960 --> 01:44:17,920
up-sizing cuz we knew that road is going

2887
01:44:17,920 --> 01:44:20,040
to be torn up. We didn't want to start

2888
01:44:20,040 --> 01:44:22,320
on that project even though it can't be

2889
01:44:22,320 --> 01:44:25,000
fully completed

2890
01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:26,840
in preparation for the roads being torn

2891
01:44:26,840 --> 01:44:29,160
up this spring which didn't happen but

2892
01:44:29,160 --> 01:44:31,920
it'll still happen, right? Um I think

2893
01:44:31,920 --> 01:44:33,600
the concern originally was when the

2894
01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:36,160
project was supposed to come that if we

2895
01:44:36,160 --> 01:44:39,800
put in hardscapes meaning concrete and

2896
01:44:39,800 --> 01:44:41,960
things that can really help that they're

2897
01:44:41,960 --> 01:44:43,720
really just going to be torn up within

2898
01:44:43,720 --> 01:44:46,400
months. And so to me that was not you

2899
01:44:46,400 --> 01:44:48,480
know Shane I feel like was right. I

2900
01:44:48,480 --> 01:44:51,040
really appreciate him being fiscally

2901
01:44:51,040 --> 01:44:53,480
conservative and um fiscally conscious

2902
01:44:53,480 --> 01:44:57,040
that it doesn't make sense for us to

2903
01:44:57,040 --> 01:44:59,600
expend all this capital or money on

2904
01:44:59,600 --> 01:45:01,440
things that it's just going to be torn

2905
01:45:01,440 --> 01:45:04,447
up in 6 months or less. So I and I

2906
01:45:04,447 --> 01:45:05,520
[clears throat] you know I appreciate

2907
01:45:05,520 --> 01:45:07,560
that and yet I understand what you're

2908
01:45:07,560 --> 01:45:09,240
saying that something needs to be done.

2909
01:45:09,240 --> 01:45:12,040
I don't think a stop sign was any of the

2910
01:45:12,040 --> 01:45:14,160
suggestions that was suggested for that

2911
01:45:14,160 --> 01:45:15,040
intersection.

2912
01:45:15,040 --> 01:45:15,560
>> No, it doesn't.

2913
01:45:15,560 --> 01:45:18,440
>> But oh there is one. There is one.

2914
01:45:18,440 --> 01:45:20,840
>> Something like this.

2915
01:45:20,840 --> 01:45:23,160
>> It's in our Main Street plan, a stop

2916
01:45:23,160 --> 01:45:25,830
sign.

2917
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:27,560
» On that intersection? Cuz I know there

2918
01:45:27,560 --> 01:45:28,240
was

2919
01:45:28,240 --> 01:45:29,280
I know there were four things, but I

2920
01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:30,240
don't remember some of them.

2921
01:45:30,240 --> 01:45:32,880
>> engineer? And he did that put put that

2922
01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:36,400
as an option. The spirit of this is not

2923
01:45:36,400 --> 01:45:38,080
>> So, I think we can you know, we can look

2924
01:45:38,080 --> 01:45:39,000
at that. But

2925
01:45:39,000 --> 01:45:41,240
>> We can move on. The only other

2926
01:45:41,240 --> 01:45:43,440
question that I think would be helpful

2927
01:45:43,440 --> 01:45:45,080
is that this and that was brought up to

2928
01:45:45,080 --> 01:45:46,040
me and I didn't have an answer. I

2929
01:45:46,040 --> 01:45:47,160
brought it up to you so for others to

2930
01:45:47,160 --> 01:45:48,480
think about it cuz as more people think

2931
01:45:48,480 --> 01:45:50,560
about it, we get better solutions. And

2932
01:45:50,560 --> 01:45:53,280
that is that this is a three-way um

2933
01:45:53,280 --> 01:45:55,040
a three-way roundabout which is

2934
01:45:55,040 --> 01:45:56,920
different than a four-way. I didn't know

2935
01:45:56,920 --> 01:45:58,080
this.

2936
01:45:58,080 --> 01:46:00,000
And whether or not the north and south

2937
01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:02,840
will dominate those coming from the east

2938
01:46:02,840 --> 01:46:04,600
and not allow them to get in very well.

2939
01:46:04,600 --> 01:46:07,400
So, just as we plan it to to figure that

2940
01:46:07,400 --> 01:46:08,600
out. And I don't know how well you don't

2941
01:46:08,600 --> 01:46:09,840
need to address it.

2942
01:46:09,840 --> 01:46:11,080
>> Well, yeah. Unless you want to the

2943
01:46:11,080 --> 01:46:13,240
police chief can can can comment, but

2944
01:46:13,240 --> 01:46:14,360
the same laws apply.

2945
01:46:14,360 --> 01:46:15,840
>> Okay. It's first one in, you have to

2946
01:46:15,840 --> 01:46:16,880
yield to the person coming from the

2947
01:46:16,880 --> 01:46:17,640
left.

2948
01:46:17,640 --> 01:46:18,560
>> Okay. I've gone through plenty of

2949
01:46:18,560 --> 01:46:20,120
three-way roundabouts.

2950
01:46:20,120 --> 01:46:22,880
>> So, um the next thing Kate and I sent

2951
01:46:22,880 --> 01:46:25,840
you an image or a thing in the uh folder

2952
01:46:25,840 --> 01:46:27,360
of things to share and this will be the

2953
01:46:27,360 --> 01:46:29,600
main thing I'll share on the budget. And

2954
01:46:29,600 --> 01:46:32,320
that is uh I love the budget. I was just

2955
01:46:32,320 --> 01:46:35,080
hoping to make some clarifications.

2956
01:46:35,080 --> 01:46:37,000
So, and pardon if there's spelling. I

2957
01:46:37,000 --> 01:46:38,480
wrote this quick.

2958
01:46:38,480 --> 01:46:40,480
Where we have So, our number one budget

2959
01:46:40,480 --> 01:46:43,360
item is traffic calming measures.

2960
01:46:43,360 --> 01:46:45,520
Um and so, I wanted to

2961
01:46:45,520 --> 01:46:47,200
counsel with the council and the

2962
01:46:47,200 --> 01:46:49,320
residents and the staff

2963
01:46:49,320 --> 01:46:51,160
to how we can define these and and and

2964
01:46:51,160 --> 01:46:53,480
specify what traffic calming measures we

2965
01:46:53,480 --> 01:46:55,880
would like to have in the budget.

2966
01:46:55,880 --> 01:46:57,760
And so, I wrote down a lot of the ones

2967
01:46:57,760 --> 01:46:59,680
people had asked for.

2968
01:46:59,680 --> 01:47:02,000
I put them in an order and I wanted you

2969
01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:04,120
to look and see if any of these you feel

2970
01:47:04,120 --> 01:47:05,840
like should go to the top. And I would

2971
01:47:05,840 --> 01:47:07,560
ask that we could include something like

2972
01:47:07,560 --> 01:47:10,160
this in our motion or in our budget. So,

2973
01:47:10,160 --> 01:47:12,120
when we are paying for traffic calming

2974
01:47:12,120 --> 01:47:14,120
measures throughout the city

2975
01:47:14,120 --> 01:47:15,720
we're doing the actual ones that are

2976
01:47:15,720 --> 01:47:17,480
being asked for.

2977
01:47:17,480 --> 01:47:18,640
So, you okay if I go through a couple of

2978
01:47:18,640 --> 01:47:20,600
them? As number one is the mount

2979
01:47:20,600 --> 01:47:22,440
>> Can I Can I just make a comment on this?

2980
01:47:22,440 --> 01:47:22,600
Please.

2981
01:47:22,600 --> 01:47:24,840
>> So we've been talking about this since

2982
01:47:24,840 --> 01:47:25,680
January, right?

2983
01:47:25,680 --> 01:47:26,160
>> Right, yeah.

2984
01:47:26,160 --> 01:47:29,240
>> And and at the last meeting in May, we

2985
01:47:29,240 --> 01:47:30,720
had the discussion about the different

2986
01:47:30,720 --> 01:47:33,240
priorities. And correct me if I'm wrong,

2987
01:47:33,240 --> 01:47:35,280
Mayor, but I'm I'm pretty sure that we

2988
01:47:35,280 --> 01:47:37,560
decided that the initial traffic calming

2989
01:47:37,560 --> 01:47:40,040
measures with this $50,000 budget would

2990
01:47:40,040 --> 01:47:42,200
focus on West Canyon Crest, where we

2991
01:47:42,200 --> 01:47:43,280
have

2992
01:47:43,280 --> 01:47:44,760
the Burgess Park,

2993
01:47:44,760 --> 01:47:47,520
the elementary school, Timberline, and

2994
01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:52,000
residences whose driveway space the street.

2995
01:47:52,000 --> 01:47:54,920
So and it doesn't exclude being able to

2996
01:47:54,920 --> 01:47:56,960
improve the crosswalk at Allegheny, for

2997
01:47:56,960 --> 01:47:58,840
example. I know that's one example. And

2998
01:47:58,840 --> 01:48:00,280
that's going to be done. We could

2999
01:48:00,280 --> 01:48:02,360
potentially put the advanced warning

3000
01:48:02,360 --> 01:48:04,440
lights or the warning lights

3001
01:48:04,440 --> 01:48:06,760
um at that crosswalk now because I'm

3002
01:48:06,760 --> 01:48:08,480
sure those are fairly easy to move once

3003
01:48:08,480 --> 01:48:10,960
we do the major project probably next

3004
01:48:10,960 --> 01:48:12,000
spring.

3005
01:48:12,000 --> 01:48:14,440
Um so there's I don't think that

3006
01:48:14,440 --> 01:48:17,320
eliminates having other options, but we

3007
01:48:17,320 --> 01:48:19,120
made the priority

3008
01:48:19,120 --> 01:48:20,200
Again, correct me if I'm wrong, but I

3009
01:48:20,200 --> 01:48:21,160
thought it was in the

3010
01:48:21,160 --> 01:48:22,480
>> To do it by the school.

3011
01:48:22,480 --> 01:48:24,880
>> So I know that was your suggestion. It

3012
01:48:24,880 --> 01:48:26,520
wasn't what I put in in my traffic

3013
01:48:26,520 --> 01:48:28,560
calming measure budget. If you recall, I

3014
01:48:28,560 --> 01:48:30,440
had Main Street by Mountain View

3015
01:48:30,440 --> 01:48:31,080
Academy.

3016
01:48:31,080 --> 01:48:33,120
>> Right, but it wasn't your traffic

3017
01:48:33,120 --> 01:48:35,520
calming budget item. It was the

3018
01:48:35,520 --> 01:48:37,520
council's traffic calming budget item.

3019
01:48:37,520 --> 01:48:39,360
>> but but we never voted. I know we never

3020
01:48:39,360 --> 01:48:41,360
voted. I know you voiced that and it was

3021
01:48:41,360 --> 01:48:43,120
just a hearsay, but then it became kind

3022
01:48:43,120 --> 01:48:44,680
of the concrete thing. I think we lost

3023
01:48:44,680 --> 01:48:45,440
sight

3024
01:48:45,440 --> 01:48:46,640
>> I thought we voted on it. I thought it

3025
01:48:46,640 --> 01:48:47,080
was in the motion.

3026
01:48:47,080 --> 01:48:49,680
>> There was a motion. So So the council

3027
01:48:49,680 --> 01:48:52,000
prioritized projects.

3028
01:48:52,000 --> 01:48:53,440
>> Right, no, I know we I know we

3029
01:48:53,440 --> 01:48:55,680
>> But it was specifically traffic calming

3030
01:48:55,680 --> 01:48:56,160
on West Canyon.

3031
01:48:56,160 --> 01:48:58,120
>> Brent, are you wanting that to be what

3032
01:48:58,120 --> 01:49:00,560
the traffic calming 50K is for or are

3033
01:49:00,560 --> 01:49:01,120
you wanting

3034
01:49:01,120 --> 01:49:02,800
>> That's I think that's what was voted on.

3035
01:49:02,800 --> 01:49:03,520
>> I think that's what we decided.

3036
01:49:03,520 --> 01:49:04,360
>> It's in the minutes.

3037
01:49:04,360 --> 01:49:05,080
>> In the month of May.

3038
01:49:05,080 --> 01:49:06,440
>> That we just approved tonight.

3039
01:49:06,440 --> 01:49:08,240
>> mean that we can't consider other other

3040
01:49:08,240 --> 01:49:09,520
things, but that's what we're

3041
01:49:09,520 --> 01:49:11,320
>> So okay, so then I guess I would ask if

3042
01:49:11,320 --> 01:49:14,200
we could define a couple other areas

3043
01:49:14,200 --> 01:49:15,880
that we could add some of the traffic

3044
01:49:15,880 --> 01:49:18,600
calming budget and even increase it for

3045
01:49:18,600 --> 01:49:20,840
force to include some of these areas.

3046
01:49:20,840 --> 01:49:21,720
You can say no.

3047
01:49:21,720 --> 01:49:23,880
>> So, Mayor, can I just comment? So,

3048
01:49:23,880 --> 01:49:26,400
typically, I know this is the first year

3049
01:49:26,400 --> 01:49:28,400
of the budget for you, but on something

3050
01:49:28,400 --> 01:49:30,160
like this, like on our street

3051
01:49:30,160 --> 01:49:32,000
maintenance projects,

3052
01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:34,640
um we have the funds that are proposed

3053
01:49:34,640 --> 01:49:36,240
in the budget, but we don't have the

3054
01:49:36,240 --> 01:49:39,040
specific streets. That's like the next

3055
01:49:39,040 --> 01:49:39,920
step.

3056
01:49:39,920 --> 01:49:40,640
>> Okay.

3057
01:49:40,640 --> 01:49:42,200
>> So, it would happen later.

3058
01:49:42,200 --> 01:49:43,200
>> So, this is something you guys are open

3059
01:49:43,200 --> 01:49:45,720
to to to find in the next step.

3060
01:49:45,720 --> 01:49:46,960
Is that okay?

3061
01:49:46,960 --> 01:49:49,600
>> There is the specific case that as the

3062
01:49:49,600 --> 01:49:51,760
council prioritized certain projects

3063
01:49:51,760 --> 01:49:53,520
because we it didn't look like we were

3064
01:49:53,520 --> 01:49:56,440
going to be able to do all of them.

3065
01:49:56,440 --> 01:49:59,360
That one they specifically voted on, and

3066
01:49:59,360 --> 01:50:01,200
I don't remember the vote,

3067
01:50:01,200 --> 01:50:01,920
>> It was 5 to

3068
01:50:01,920 --> 01:50:03,920
>> it was passed. Um concentrate on West

3069
01:50:03,920 --> 01:50:07,240
Canyon Crest Road.

3070
01:50:07,240 --> 01:50:09,640
>> So, Andrew, my understanding is that

3071
01:50:09,640 --> 01:50:12,160
$50,000 is allocated towards that, so

3072
01:50:12,160 --> 01:50:13,440
they will work on the

3073
01:50:13,440 --> 01:50:14,440
>> Canyon Crest?

3074
01:50:14,440 --> 01:50:17,760
>> That for traffic calming, but to focus

3075
01:50:17,760 --> 01:50:20,160
and to start with West Canyon Crest

3076
01:50:20,160 --> 01:50:21,720
because of the reasons that Brent

3077
01:50:21,720 --> 01:50:23,920
mentioned. Two schools,

3078
01:50:23,920 --> 01:50:24,280
>> Okay.

3079
01:50:24,280 --> 01:50:25,640
>> a park,

3080
01:50:25,640 --> 01:50:27,360
a heavy pedestrian neighborhood, and

3081
01:50:27,360 --> 01:50:29,320
then lot of sporting events where

3082
01:50:29,320 --> 01:50:30,880
there's a lot of pedestrians going down

3083
01:50:30,880 --> 01:50:31,160
there.

3084
01:50:31,160 --> 01:50:32,120
>> on this list.

3085
01:50:32,120 --> 01:50:35,480
>> So, we're go So, I believe the way that

3086
01:50:35,480 --> 01:50:37,080
Shane was explaining that we will work

3087
01:50:37,080 --> 01:50:38,920
on that first and see how much is

3088
01:50:38,920 --> 01:50:41,320
remaining, and then if there is anything

3089
01:50:41,320 --> 01:50:43,560
remaining, then you can look onto that.

3090
01:50:43,560 --> 01:50:45,000
>> Okay. Tonight, our

3091
01:50:45,000 --> 01:50:46,360
>> If you look at page eight of our

3092
01:50:46,360 --> 01:50:48,920
minutes, that's all been recorded.

3093
01:50:48,920 --> 01:50:49,560
>> Okay, thank you.

3094
01:50:49,560 --> 01:50:50,440
>> Okay, thanks.

3095
01:50:50,440 --> 01:50:51,640
>> Okay, I was under the impression I was

3096
01:50:51,640 --> 01:50:53,800
supposed to make a list of the different

3097
01:50:53,800 --> 01:50:56,080
specifics. Okay.

3098
01:50:56,080 --> 01:50:58,240
Um well, then what you might Are we able

3099
01:50:58,240 --> 01:51:01,400
to modify in our motion tonight to

3100
01:51:01,400 --> 01:51:03,400
include one or two other priorities in

3101
01:51:03,400 --> 01:51:04,920
the class in the traffic calming

3102
01:51:04,920 --> 01:51:06,440
measures, such as

3103
01:51:06,440 --> 01:51:07,800
uh I would say the top one is the

3104
01:51:07,800 --> 01:51:11,000
Mountain View Academy uh a congestion

3105
01:51:11,000 --> 01:51:13,920
area to add with that Westfield Road as

3106
01:51:13,920 --> 01:51:16,080
one of the priorities. And then the East

3107
01:51:16,080 --> 01:51:17,160
Canyon Crest

3108
01:51:17,160 --> 01:51:19,720
>> So, did you want to address that?

3109
01:51:19,720 --> 01:51:21,600
>> Yeah, so what I would recommend that

3110
01:51:21,600 --> 01:51:22,840
this

3111
01:51:22,840 --> 01:51:24,520
So, this is like a priority

3112
01:51:24,520 --> 01:51:26,120
>> on. I was asking the council if they

3113
01:51:26,120 --> 01:51:27,920
would be open to it because cuz we're

3114
01:51:27,920 --> 01:51:30,280
modifying other things in the in the

3115
01:51:30,280 --> 01:51:32,920
motion. Would you guys be open to adding

3116
01:51:32,920 --> 01:51:34,320
uh a couple other priorities?

3117
01:51:34,320 --> 01:51:36,480
>> Fields are already going to be in the

3118
01:51:36,480 --> 01:51:39,160
works for this budget year.

3119
01:51:39,160 --> 01:51:40,640
>> In the current year, we have budget for

3120
01:51:40,640 --> 01:51:41,680
it?

3121
01:51:41,680 --> 01:51:44,600
>> Yes. It's Well, I guess

3122
01:51:44,600 --> 01:51:45,880
>> We have a plan.

3123
01:51:45,880 --> 01:51:47,320
>> I was thinking it's July, but July is

3124
01:51:47,320 --> 01:51:48,720
the next year, but that's when it's

3125
01:51:48,720 --> 01:51:49,880
going to get done, but

3126
01:51:49,880 --> 01:51:51,440
>> Well, if you think it's a benefit in the

3127
01:51:51,440 --> 01:51:54,200
motion, I'd love to uh add to it and

3128
01:51:54,200 --> 01:51:57,400
make an amendment to other priorities

3129
01:51:57,400 --> 01:52:00,640
besides Westfield um Road so that we're

3130
01:52:00,640 --> 01:52:01,680
um

3131
01:52:01,680 --> 01:52:03,360
addressing, which is the number one

3132
01:52:03,360 --> 01:52:04,840
issue that residents have brought up,

3133
01:52:04,840 --> 01:52:06,440
traffic, so that we're addressing a

3134
01:52:06,440 --> 01:52:07,960
couple other areas. It's also the number

3135
01:52:07,960 --> 01:52:10,080
one budget item we're putting on.

3136
01:52:10,080 --> 01:52:12,000
Uh so, I just feel like we would benefit

3137
01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:13,320
greatly

3138
01:52:13,320 --> 01:52:15,480
uh this coming year by having a couple

3139
01:52:15,480 --> 01:52:16,120
spelled out.

3140
01:52:16,120 --> 01:52:18,200
>> you want feedback, I'll give you mine is

3141
01:52:18,200 --> 01:52:19,400
that I don't.

3142
01:52:19,400 --> 01:52:22,040
>> So, uh if you can uh yeah, that was

3143
01:52:22,040 --> 01:52:24,280
right back at you. So, if you can just

3144
01:52:24,280 --> 01:52:25,520
consider that, I think it would be a

3145
01:52:25,520 --> 01:52:27,960
benefit for our traffic calming measure.

3146
01:52:27,960 --> 01:52:29,160
>> No, I think that's great. I I think

3147
01:52:29,160 --> 01:52:30,760
there are plenty of places where we can

3148
01:52:30,760 --> 01:52:32,480
make good improvements.

3149
01:52:32,480 --> 01:52:32,840
>> Cool.

3150
01:52:32,840 --> 01:52:33,360
>> Totally.

3151
01:52:33,360 --> 01:52:34,600
>> But if we spell them out, they'll

3152
01:52:34,600 --> 01:52:37,600
happen. So, anyways, the next item is

3153
01:52:37,600 --> 01:52:38,240
um

3154
01:52:38,240 --> 01:52:40,120
it's just a question, and I only have a

3155
01:52:40,120 --> 01:52:42,200
couple more items. And this is important

3156
01:52:42,200 --> 01:52:43,560
because this is a budget. This lasts a

3157
01:52:43,560 --> 01:52:44,880
whole year, so it's worth taking a

3158
01:52:44,880 --> 01:52:46,440
little bit of time. This is why we

3159
01:52:46,440 --> 01:52:47,720
quickly went through all the other

3160
01:52:47,720 --> 01:52:48,960
items.

3161
01:52:48,960 --> 01:52:51,320
So, the other question is

3162
01:52:51,320 --> 01:52:52,120
>> It's 8:00.

3163
01:52:52,120 --> 01:52:55,000
>> in this budget, we've removed several

3164
01:52:55,000 --> 01:52:56,920
that I thought, I could be wrong in the

3165
01:52:56,920 --> 01:52:58,840
minutes, that I thought we included in

3166
01:52:58,840 --> 01:53:00,360
our last motion,

3167
01:53:00,360 --> 01:53:04,480
the easement beautification down by uh

3168
01:53:04,480 --> 01:53:06,680
Alpine Highway. When he made his motion,

3169
01:53:06,680 --> 01:53:07,840
I asked if he could include it and he

3170
01:53:07,840 --> 01:53:09,600
said, "Yes." So, it made a bit might

3171
01:53:09,600 --> 01:53:11,320
have been admitted. And then I also

3172
01:53:11,320 --> 01:53:14,920
asked for the rec- raccoon

3173
01:53:14,920 --> 01:53:18,080
uh mitigation plan of only $3,000 to be

3174
01:53:18,080 --> 01:53:19,560
included as well and he agreed to put it

3175
01:53:19,560 --> 01:53:20,880
in the motion, but it but it's not in

3176
01:53:20,880 --> 01:53:22,280
the budget.

3177
01:53:22,280 --> 01:53:23,320
So,

3178
01:53:23,320 --> 01:53:25,080
just just if we can include those

3179
01:53:25,080 --> 01:53:27,680
>> those were prioritized if funds were

3180
01:53:27,680 --> 01:53:29,680
available.

3181
01:53:29,680 --> 01:53:31,240
>> Well, but that wasn't in the motion. So,

3182
01:53:31,240 --> 01:53:32,400
if we can include them, I think it would

3183
01:53:32,400 --> 01:53:33,440
be really beneficial.

3184
01:53:33,440 --> 01:53:36,160
>> was the intent of the motion was these

3185
01:53:36,160 --> 01:53:38,040
are the priorities.

3186
01:53:38,040 --> 01:53:39,680
Take the money as far That's how I

3187
01:53:39,680 --> 01:53:40,520
understood it.

3188
01:53:40,520 --> 01:53:42,000
>> It's right here on page seven of the

3189
01:53:42,000 --> 01:53:45,040
minutes, the raccoon plan.

3190
01:53:45,040 --> 01:53:46,520
>> Well, yes, and that would correlate with

3191
01:53:46,520 --> 01:53:47,800
what I'm saying that but it's but it's

3192
01:53:47,800 --> 01:53:49,760
not in the budget.

3193
01:53:49,760 --> 01:53:52,800
>> So, so anyways, it's just an item. I mean, even

3194
01:53:52,800 --> 01:53:55,200
yesterday, resident

3195
01:53:55,200 --> 01:53:57,440
who just donated 250 grand pleading for

3196
01:53:57,440 --> 01:54:00,080
what? For me to come pick up a raccoon.

3197
01:54:00,080 --> 01:54:01,760
And so, yeah, you think disposing of

3198
01:54:01,760 --> 01:54:03,520
those are fun? Cuz it's not a thing I

3199
01:54:03,520 --> 01:54:05,200
want to sign up for. If we can include

3200
01:54:05,200 --> 01:54:06,480
three grand, I think we're going to help

3201
01:54:06,480 --> 01:54:09,000
a lot of residents. Um okay, the the

3202
01:54:09,000 --> 01:54:10,800
last ones are

3203
01:54:10,800 --> 01:54:12,960
if we could just add in

3204
01:54:12,960 --> 01:54:14,840
Oh, thank you for including the fire

3205
01:54:14,840 --> 01:54:17,560
mitigation. I've been smelling the smoke

3206
01:54:17,560 --> 01:54:19,760
all day yesterday and the day before. I

3207
01:54:19,760 --> 01:54:21,360
think it's very wise we include it at

3208
01:54:21,360 --> 01:54:22,960
the discretion of the fire department or

3209
01:54:22,960 --> 01:54:25,120
the council on how we use it, but thank

3210
01:54:25,120 --> 01:54:26,920
you for including it.

3211
01:54:26,920 --> 01:54:29,080
Um the last two are just if we could

3212
01:54:29,080 --> 01:54:31,000
specify

3213
01:54:31,000 --> 01:54:33,400
in the sidewalk locations and the legacy

3214
01:54:33,400 --> 01:54:35,080
projects

3215
01:54:35,080 --> 01:54:38,000
to um bring it back.

3216
01:54:38,000 --> 01:54:39,880
The legacy projects, I spoke with

3217
01:54:39,880 --> 01:54:41,640
Jessica about this. I know we've pushed

3218
01:54:41,640 --> 01:54:44,280
it towards the park tax funding,

3219
01:54:44,280 --> 01:54:46,080
but I would like to include in the

3220
01:54:46,080 --> 01:54:47,960
motion that we actually make sure to

3221
01:54:47,960 --> 01:54:50,160
spell that out so it actually happens.

3222
01:54:50,160 --> 01:54:52,800
So, we do these monument fixes, the the

3223
01:54:52,800 --> 01:54:54,120
pioneer women that we're trying to

3224
01:54:54,120 --> 01:54:56,160
restore their names on and some of the

3225
01:54:56,160 --> 01:54:57,280
other funding so that we actually

3226
01:54:57,280 --> 01:54:59,160
include it in the motion so it uh

3227
01:54:59,160 --> 01:55:00,360
because the budget is supposed to

3228
01:55:00,360 --> 01:55:02,480
reflect our values. We're not just

3229
01:55:02,480 --> 01:55:03,880
pushing money, we're reflecting our

3230
01:55:03,880 --> 01:55:05,000
values.

3231
01:55:05,000 --> 01:55:06,560
Um and so I would like to put that back

3232
01:55:06,560 --> 01:55:10,120
in the motion or back in the budget.

3233
01:55:10,120 --> 01:55:13,400
And then um when we decide

3234
01:55:13,400 --> 01:55:14,360
um

3235
01:55:14,360 --> 01:55:17,080
what legacy projects, if we can actually

3236
01:55:17,080 --> 01:55:18,880
spell out which ones, the monument

3237
01:55:18,880 --> 01:55:21,560
renewal and the Alpine Yesterdays or

3238
01:55:21,560 --> 01:55:24,040
yesteryear's volume two.

3239
01:55:24,040 --> 01:55:25,960
And then uh when we specify what

3240
01:55:25,960 --> 01:55:27,920
sidewalks to do,

3241
01:55:27,920 --> 01:55:29,240
if we could actually specify the

3242
01:55:29,240 --> 01:55:31,560
streets. I know everyone loved that

3243
01:55:31,560 --> 01:55:33,080
budget item. That didn't come from me,

3244
01:55:33,080 --> 01:55:34,680
it came from residents pleading for

3245
01:55:34,680 --> 01:55:35,600
them.

3246
01:55:35,600 --> 01:55:36,440
I have a worry

3247
01:55:36,440 --> 01:55:38,600
>> think that's the case. It's just that in

3248
01:55:38,600 --> 01:55:40,840
our last meeting, we prioritized the

3249
01:55:40,840 --> 01:55:43,200
projects and you're bringing them back.

3250
01:55:43,200 --> 01:55:44,960
I'm not exactly sure why we're having

3251
01:55:44,960 --> 01:55:47,440
this discussion. I think we all agreed

3252
01:55:47,440 --> 01:55:50,440
that everything is important, but we

3253
01:55:50,440 --> 01:55:53,280
only have a finite amount of money. And

3254
01:55:53,280 --> 01:55:56,040
right now, you are running into that

3255
01:55:56,040 --> 01:55:58,120
finite amount of money by bringing up

3256
01:55:58,120 --> 01:55:58,880
all the stuff.

3257
01:55:58,880 --> 01:55:59,280
>> Right, right.

3258
01:55:59,280 --> 01:56:00,680
>> Not that they're not valid, but I feel

3259
01:56:00,680 --> 01:56:02,040
like there's a more efficient way to do

3260
01:56:02,040 --> 01:56:02,480
this.

3261
01:56:02,480 --> 01:56:03,800
>> Okay, okay. So let me just finish and

3262
01:56:03,800 --> 01:56:04,320
I'll finish.

3263
01:56:04,320 --> 01:56:06,280
>> the same list that we saw last time. Is

3264
01:56:06,280 --> 01:56:08,000
there anything new or different?

3265
01:56:08,000 --> 01:56:09,960
>> Yes, the specification. So just and just

3266
01:56:09,960 --> 01:56:11,360
so you know, the finite amount of money,

3267
01:56:11,360 --> 01:56:13,160
everything I have pitched, everything I

3268
01:56:13,160 --> 01:56:15,240
have proposed, put in the budget, is

3269
01:56:15,240 --> 01:56:17,360
less than the one proposal of staff

3270
01:56:17,360 --> 01:56:19,280
equipment for trucks.

3271
01:56:19,280 --> 01:56:22,000
Okay, so all these things, raccoons,

3272
01:56:22,000 --> 01:56:25,520
um the uh fire mitigation, the easement,

3273
01:56:25,520 --> 01:56:26,840
the and and by the way, I haven't

3274
01:56:26,840 --> 01:56:28,520
proposed these the the the sidewalks.

3275
01:56:28,520 --> 01:56:30,120
These are things residents are asking

3276
01:56:30,120 --> 01:56:32,240
for. All of them combined are less than

3277
01:56:32,240 --> 01:56:34,400
the trucks. And so I'm just asking for

3278
01:56:34,400 --> 01:56:35,200
some specific

3279
01:56:35,200 --> 01:56:37,440
>> on the on the sidewalks, I think we also

3280
01:56:37,440 --> 01:56:39,120
came to the conclusion a month ago that

3281
01:56:39,120 --> 01:56:41,240
we're going to prioritize

3282
01:56:41,240 --> 01:56:42,800
the locations that deal with safety.

3283
01:56:42,800 --> 01:56:43,480
>> Right, right.

3284
01:56:43,480 --> 01:56:44,720
>> And where children are present. So

3285
01:56:44,720 --> 01:56:45,880
that's going to be the main focus. We're

3286
01:56:45,880 --> 01:56:47,120
going to rely on

3287
01:56:47,120 --> 01:56:49,120
that. So we've already decided that. Do

3288
01:56:49,120 --> 01:56:50,600
you want to make a dis- I don't think

3289
01:56:50,600 --> 01:56:53,200
today is the day to list what which ones

3290
01:56:53,200 --> 01:56:54,960
>> Well, I wanted to just put it in our in

3291
01:56:54,960 --> 01:56:56,920
our eyes and our vision for the coming

3292
01:56:56,920 --> 01:56:59,160
year that when we have this money

3293
01:56:59,160 --> 01:57:01,920
allotted for sidewalks, the reason it

3294
01:57:01,920 --> 01:57:03,520
brought it came up for the first place

3295
01:57:03,520 --> 01:57:05,240
is because there were specific residents

3296
01:57:05,240 --> 01:57:07,920
asking for specific streets. And I think

3297
01:57:07,920 --> 01:57:09,320
what we're going to do if we do it the

3298
01:57:09,320 --> 01:57:10,840
way we're doing it, is we're going to

3299
01:57:10,840 --> 01:57:12,400
allot money for sidewalks and they're

3300
01:57:12,400 --> 01:57:13,960
going to go to different streets where

3301
01:57:13,960 --> 01:57:16,120
residents aren't even asking for it that

3302
01:57:16,120 --> 01:57:17,720
we might interpret or staff might

3303
01:57:17,720 --> 01:57:20,560
interpret as safety, but they're not

3304
01:57:20,560 --> 01:57:22,040
even asking for it there when there are

3305
01:57:22,040 --> 01:57:23,920
residents and streets that are asking

3306
01:57:23,920 --> 01:57:24,200
for it.

3307
01:57:24,200 --> 01:57:26,080
>> So we need to consider all those factors

3308
01:57:26,080 --> 01:57:26,840
when we

3309
01:57:26,840 --> 01:57:28,160
>> But I don't think it's anything that we

3310
01:57:28,160 --> 01:57:29,320
need to worry about now.

3311
01:57:29,320 --> 01:57:30,640
>> Anything over 15,000 is going to have to

3312
01:57:30,640 --> 01:57:31,600
come back to the

3313
01:57:31,600 --> 01:57:32,840
>> is

3314
01:57:32,840 --> 01:57:35,120
anything that we have in the budget now,

3315
01:57:35,120 --> 01:57:36,840
I think it's going to be eaten up by the

3316
01:57:36,840 --> 01:57:38,320
first three projects. If there's

3317
01:57:38,320 --> 01:57:40,080
anything left over, that's when we can

3318
01:57:40,080 --> 01:57:42,680
have this discussion. But for now, let's

3319
01:57:42,680 --> 01:57:45,560
move on the general budget as

3320
01:57:45,560 --> 01:57:46,360
proposed.

3321
01:57:46,360 --> 01:57:48,000
>> Right, that's what I'm talking about.

3322
01:57:48,000 --> 01:57:49,560
>> that you I know I understand that you

3323
01:57:49,560 --> 01:57:50,600
want to do things differently and

3324
01:57:50,600 --> 01:57:51,760
there's other projects that you want

3325
01:57:51,760 --> 01:57:53,320
prioritized.

3326
01:57:53,320 --> 01:57:54,840
>> No, no, this is more specified. They're

3327
01:57:54,840 --> 01:57:56,560
all in there. This is more specified to

3328
01:57:56,560 --> 01:57:57,840
how they are working. So that's just so

3329
01:57:57,840 --> 01:58:00,520
I'm clarifying. Um I think that's

3330
01:58:00,520 --> 01:58:03,880
actually it besides the Bixby Park which

3331
01:58:03,880 --> 01:58:07,160
was pushed as soon as we get the um

3332
01:58:07,160 --> 01:58:07,880
>> The study back.

3333
01:58:07,880 --> 01:58:10,000
>> the park study. Does that need to be

3334
01:58:10,000 --> 01:58:11,600
defined right now or do we come back and

3335
01:58:11,600 --> 01:58:14,400
define that later?

3336
01:58:14,400 --> 01:58:15,840
>> I would come back and define it later

3337
01:58:15,840 --> 01:58:17,440
once we have the plan.

3338
01:58:17,440 --> 01:58:19,000
>> Okay. Okay.

3339
01:58:19,000 --> 01:58:20,360
All right. So that's all I had. Thank

3340
01:58:20,360 --> 01:58:20,520
you.

3341
01:58:20,520 --> 01:58:22,600
>> Okay. Can I ask just a clarifying

3342
01:58:22,600 --> 01:58:23,440
question

3343
01:58:23,440 --> 01:58:24,240
>> Yes.

3344
01:58:24,240 --> 01:58:25,960
>> That's we will only get through the

3345
01:58:25,960 --> 01:58:28,080
first three projects, but if we're

3346
01:58:28,080 --> 01:58:30,160
spreading the cost out over two fiscal

3347
01:58:30,160 --> 01:58:32,160
years, that's actually not accurate. We

3348
01:58:32,160 --> 01:58:33,600
should have

3349
01:58:33,600 --> 01:58:35,640
a substantial amount

3350
01:58:35,640 --> 01:58:37,720
um because we're going to we're going to

3351
01:58:37,720 --> 01:58:39,640
spread that cost out. So it is relevant

3352
01:58:39,640 --> 01:58:41,400
and important as we look at

3353
01:58:41,400 --> 01:58:43,760
>> It depends on spending our our budget

3354
01:58:43,760 --> 01:58:44,080
on.

3355
01:58:44,080 --> 01:58:46,840
>> It well it depends on exactly when the

3356
01:58:46,840 --> 01:58:48,360
project gets started. It could be that

3357
01:58:48,360 --> 01:58:50,160
might not be this next fiscal year at

3358
01:58:50,160 --> 01:58:52,040
all depending on where Highland is at.

3359
01:58:52,040 --> 01:58:54,040
So, you're right with that.

3360
01:58:54,040 --> 01:58:57,080
But, as far as um

3361
01:58:57,080 --> 01:58:57,680
>> Can we get spring on

3362
01:58:57,680 --> 01:58:59,440
>> We do have more than enough money to

3363
01:58:59,440 --> 01:59:01,040
work down our budget list. I just don't

3364
01:59:01,040 --> 01:59:02,440
want the public thinking that we're

3365
01:59:02,440 --> 01:59:04,440
going to eat up all of our money in the

3366
01:59:04,440 --> 01:59:05,760
first three projects when that's

3367
01:59:05,760 --> 01:59:07,640
actually an inaccurate statement.

3368
01:59:07,640 --> 01:59:08,240
>> Mayor, I'm also

3369
01:59:08,240 --> 01:59:10,320
>> I think what I would like to do I like

3370
01:59:10,320 --> 01:59:12,560
the suggestion from

3371
01:59:12,560 --> 01:59:15,720
a CPA who has experience with finances

3372
01:59:15,720 --> 01:59:18,080
is suggesting that the city come up with

3373
01:59:18,080 --> 01:59:22,800
a policy of what how we want to spend

3374
01:59:22,800 --> 01:59:24,400
our fund balances.

3375
01:59:24,400 --> 01:59:26,720
I'm more conservative. I like to have a

3376
01:59:26,720 --> 01:59:30,560
buffer and I appreciate that. Um but,

3377
01:59:30,560 --> 01:59:32,600
you also have to take into consideration

3378
01:59:32,600 --> 01:59:36,262
that we did do a sales tax revenue.

3379
01:59:36,262 --> 01:59:37,440
>> [laughter]

3380
01:59:37,440 --> 01:59:39,640
>> Sales [clears throat] tax revenue bond?

3381
01:59:39,640 --> 01:59:41,080
So, in order to pay for that bond, we're

3382
01:59:41,080 --> 01:59:42,600
taking a portion of our sales tax

3383
01:59:42,600 --> 01:59:44,560
revenue to pay for that bond. And so,

3384
01:59:44,560 --> 01:59:46,560
that part is no longer going to be in

3385
01:59:46,560 --> 01:59:48,520
the budget for projects. So, there's a

3386
01:59:48,520 --> 01:59:52,120
lot of floating things and depending on

3387
01:59:52,120 --> 01:59:54,760
um how we decide to structure our

3388
01:59:54,760 --> 01:59:56,640
upcoming bonds, there's a lot to think

3389
01:59:56,640 --> 02:00:01,200
about. But, you know, I feel like

3390
02:00:01,200 --> 02:00:02,920
Council has decided on the top three

3391
02:00:02,920 --> 02:00:05,680
projects. Let's focus on those and work

3392
02:00:05,680 --> 02:00:08,480
on those to get those shovel ready and

3393
02:00:08,480 --> 02:00:11,080
move forward with those.

3394
02:00:11,080 --> 02:00:12,960
That's going to be a lot for the city to

3395
02:00:12,960 --> 02:00:16,640
do above and beyond their existing

3396
02:00:16,640 --> 02:00:20,480
um what was it What did Mr.

3397
02:00:20,480 --> 02:00:21,840
The guy from the code What did he say

3398
02:00:21,840 --> 02:00:24,920
about just the the noticeable difference

3399
02:00:24,920 --> 02:00:26,360
in our infrastructure and how I

3400
02:00:26,360 --> 02:00:28,080
appreciated it more?

3401
02:00:28,080 --> 02:00:30,400
Staff is going to be focusing that on

3402
02:00:30,400 --> 02:00:31,960
the core things, but they're also going

3403
02:00:31,960 --> 02:00:33,760
to be working on these new projects that

3404
02:00:33,760 --> 02:00:35,840
are priorities for our Council. And I

3405
02:00:35,840 --> 02:00:38,400
say, let's approve this, move forward

3406
02:00:38,400 --> 02:00:41,520
with it, and then as we go through, then

3407
02:00:41,520 --> 02:00:43,840
we can bring in and

3408
02:00:43,840 --> 02:00:45,760
We don't know, but I really would like a

3409
02:00:45,760 --> 02:00:48,560
policy on what our fund balance should

3410
02:00:48,560 --> 02:00:50,280
be. Then we have something to work with.

3411
02:00:50,280 --> 02:00:53,120
For me, it's

3412
02:00:53,120 --> 02:00:54,200
To me, that's a no-brainer. That's how

3413
02:00:54,200 --> 02:00:55,880
it should be. We should have a policy

3414
02:00:55,880 --> 02:00:57,880
instead of Heck, we have this, let's

3415
02:00:57,880 --> 02:00:59,960
spend it all.

3416
02:00:59,960 --> 02:01:01,320
I've never worked that way, and I feel

3417
02:01:01,320 --> 02:01:03,640
very uncomfortable doing that with city

3418
02:01:03,640 --> 02:01:05,120
funds.

3419
02:01:05,120 --> 02:01:06,840
>> Mayor, just to clarify,

3420
02:01:06,840 --> 02:01:09,120
as a first budget year, some of these

3421
02:01:09,120 --> 02:01:10,880
items that are brought up seem to be

3422
02:01:10,880 --> 02:01:12,600
categorized like something that staff's

3423
02:01:12,600 --> 02:01:14,040
going to have to do, and they won't have

3424
02:01:14,040 --> 02:01:15,440
time cuz it'll be on the bottom of the

3425
02:01:15,440 --> 02:01:16,960
list.

3426
02:01:16,960 --> 02:01:18,560
Many of these things I proposed wouldn't

3427
02:01:18,560 --> 02:01:20,640
be done by staff. In the proposals I

3428
02:01:20,640 --> 02:01:22,400
brought, there's already a contractor

3429
02:01:22,400 --> 02:01:23,960
ready to do them. We just have to allot

3430
02:01:23,960 --> 02:01:26,120
the funds to it, like the raccoons or

3431
02:01:26,120 --> 02:01:28,720
the the signs that would be part of the

3432
02:01:28,720 --> 02:01:29,320
uh

3433
02:01:29,320 --> 02:01:31,520
traffic calming measures, things like

3434
02:01:31,520 --> 02:01:33,320
that. So, it wouldn't take away time

3435
02:01:33,320 --> 02:01:33,560
from that.

3436
02:01:33,560 --> 02:01:34,800
>> Any kind of projects that have to do

3437
02:01:34,800 --> 02:01:36,760
with signs around the city, other than

3438
02:01:36,760 --> 02:01:38,760
the trail signs, from my understanding,

3439
02:01:38,760 --> 02:01:41,000
that is conducted by staff.

3440
02:01:41,000 --> 02:01:45,960
>> I meant the construction of the actual entrance signs.

3441
02:01:45,960 --> 02:01:48,120
>> Oh, that. Yeah. No, that is something

3442
02:01:48,120 --> 02:01:49,560
that will be outsourced.

3443
02:01:49,560 --> 02:01:51,200
>> Right. So, I'm I'm just saying the lot

3444
02:01:51,200 --> 02:01:53,080
of things I proposed are not things that

3445
02:01:53,080 --> 02:01:54,640
would burden the staff. They're just

3446
02:01:54,640 --> 02:01:56,800
>> Right. Right. But what I'm saying is we

3447
02:01:56,800 --> 02:01:59,320
have three significant projects. Let's

3448
02:01:59,320 --> 02:02:01,040
work on those, and then we can always

3449
02:02:01,040 --> 02:02:03,560
come back. As we learned before, I know

3450
02:02:03,560 --> 02:02:04,800
this is your first time going through

3451
02:02:04,800 --> 02:02:07,600
the budget.

3452
02:02:07,600 --> 02:02:09,000
>> And there's some benefit to that cuz I

3453
02:02:09,000 --> 02:02:10,360
come with fresh eyes.

3454
02:02:10,360 --> 02:02:12,760
>> Right. But you can always make an

3455
02:02:12,760 --> 02:02:14,840
amendment to the budget. Things always

3456
02:02:14,840 --> 02:02:18,120
change. Ever since I've been on council,

3457
02:02:18,120 --> 02:02:20,640
there has always been an amendment to

3458
02:02:20,640 --> 02:02:22,440
the original budget that you approved.

3459
02:02:22,440 --> 02:02:24,720
So, right now, all we're asking is we

3460
02:02:24,720 --> 02:02:27,200
had a tentative budget. Now we have the

3461
02:02:27,200 --> 02:02:28,840
final budget.

3462
02:02:28,840 --> 02:02:30,240
Let's approve it. This is what is

3463
02:02:30,240 --> 02:02:32,960
recommended by staff so far, based on

3464
02:02:32,960 --> 02:02:35,840
recommendations from council from

3465
02:02:35,840 --> 02:02:37,080
Which meeting was that?

3466
02:02:37,080 --> 02:02:39,560
>> May 26th.

3467
02:02:39,560 --> 02:02:40,800
>> Based [clears throat] on that meeting

3468
02:02:40,800 --> 02:02:43,880
and council's direction, that's how this

3469
02:02:43,880 --> 02:02:46,200
budget was proposed.

3470
02:02:46,200 --> 02:02:49,600
My recommendation is we pass this budget

3471
02:02:49,600 --> 02:02:51,880
and then as we go through, as we see

3472
02:02:51,880 --> 02:02:53,120
need for adjustment with the

3473
02:02:53,120 --> 02:02:56,600
recommendation of um staff and then, you

3474
02:02:56,600 --> 02:02:57,840
know, if

3475
02:02:57,840 --> 02:03:00,720
council has um input,

3476
02:03:00,720 --> 02:03:03,520
then we can work on an amendment to the

3477
02:03:03,520 --> 02:03:05,520
budget and move forward that way, but I

3478
02:03:05,520 --> 02:03:07,400
don't feel the need to bog down this

3479
02:03:07,400 --> 02:03:09,120
meeting with

3480
02:03:09,120 --> 02:03:11,360
um each an individual project that you

3481
02:03:11,360 --> 02:03:13,320
want now.

3482
02:03:13,320 --> 02:03:14,920
Let's see where we are

3483
02:03:14,920 --> 02:03:16,960
>> I'm not now. I'm just hoping to clarify

3484
02:03:16,960 --> 02:03:18,520
them so that they happen in a way that

3485
02:03:18,520 --> 02:03:20,600
we, the residents, have asked for them

3486
02:03:20,600 --> 02:03:22,320
to be carried out. It's

3487
02:03:22,320 --> 02:03:25,120
>> But you also have to understand too that

3488
02:03:25,120 --> 02:03:27,880
not every single project that residents

3489
02:03:27,880 --> 02:03:30,280
have asked for are necessarily going to

3490
02:03:30,280 --> 02:03:31,880
make it in this budget.

3491
02:03:31,880 --> 02:03:34,160
>> I've sadly realized that.

3492
02:03:34,160 --> 02:03:35,960
>> to read our priorities from the May

3493
02:03:35,960 --> 02:03:38,320
20th. This those seven things we agreed

3494
02:03:38,320 --> 02:03:40,880
to cuz when you have a vote of the

3495
02:03:40,880 --> 02:03:43,440
majority, that sets the that sets the

3496
02:03:43,440 --> 02:03:45,080
agenda. We don't just

3497
02:03:45,080 --> 02:03:46,920
willy-nilly add things. We You have to

3498
02:03:46,920 --> 02:03:51,440
get the majority on board. Yes. You just I think it's helpful just to remind

3499
02:03:51,440 --> 02:03:52,120
ourselves.

3500
02:03:52,120 --> 02:03:53,720
>> you're approving in the consent

3501
02:03:53,720 --> 02:03:54,920
calendar. You know that, right?

3502
02:03:54,920 --> 02:03:57,040
>> So it was just to add clarification.

3503
02:03:57,040 --> 02:03:57,720
That's all it was.

3504
02:03:57,720 --> 02:04:00,200
>> here, let me read this. The top seven

3505
02:04:00,200 --> 02:04:03,800
voted 5-0 as the priority. Traffic

3506
02:04:03,800 --> 02:04:06,920
calming measures up to $50,000. Priority

3507
02:04:06,920 --> 02:04:12,800
with Canyon Crest and school park with the priority on Canyon Crest with

3508
02:04:12,800 --> 02:04:15,840
school park proximity areas.

3509
02:04:15,840 --> 02:04:17,920
Roundabout at Ridge Drive and Canyon

3510
02:04:17,920 --> 02:04:20,520
Crest. Sidewalk improvements focused on

3511
02:04:20,520 --> 02:04:22,800
pedestrian safety. That's what was

3512
02:04:22,800 --> 02:04:24,680
approved unanimously by council.

3513
02:04:24,680 --> 02:04:25,280
>> Right. Right.

3514
02:04:25,280 --> 02:04:27,740
>> Next, Carlton shop improvements.

3515
02:04:27,740 --> 02:04:28,520
>> [clears throat]

3516
02:04:28,520 --> 02:04:31,640
>> Um fire prevention projects on public

3517
02:04:31,640 --> 02:04:33,000
property.

3518
02:04:33,000 --> 02:04:36,200
Alpine Highway easement title search.

3519
02:04:36,200 --> 02:04:40,040
Raccoon abatement. Those were the top

3520
02:04:40,040 --> 02:04:41,080
>> Right, right, and I and you're saying

3521
02:04:41,080 --> 02:04:42,680
this crystal clear and yet so much of

3522
02:04:42,680 --> 02:04:44,640
that has changed in our budget right

3523
02:04:44,640 --> 02:04:46,120
now. Even though you just read that

3524
02:04:46,120 --> 02:04:47,840
crystal clear, there have been things

3525
02:04:47,840 --> 02:04:49,240
completely omitted.

3526
02:04:49,240 --> 02:04:50,760
>> all right here in the light orange.

3527
02:04:50,760 --> 02:04:52,440
>> No, no, they're the raccoons are not

3528
02:04:52,440 --> 02:04:54,880
there. The easement is not there. There

3529
02:04:54,880 --> 02:04:56,760
are several other things not there. And

3530
02:04:56,760 --> 02:04:59,160
then the specificities of the uh all I'm

3531
02:04:59,160 --> 02:05:01,800
trying to do is help the budget. I'm not

3532
02:05:01,800 --> 02:05:03,440
trying to take away or change it. I'm

3533
02:05:03,440 --> 02:05:05,520
trying to clarify it cuz we have this

3534
02:05:05,520 --> 02:05:07,440
chance now to make it as good as

3535
02:05:07,440 --> 02:05:09,600
possible for the next full year because

3536
02:05:09,600 --> 02:05:10,960
honestly, a lot of this has come from

3537
02:05:10,960 --> 02:05:12,320
residents telling me when they come to

3538
02:05:12,320 --> 02:05:15,640
ask for things that staff tells them

3539
02:05:15,640 --> 02:05:17,760
come back during budget year. And so

3540
02:05:17,760 --> 02:05:19,840
here we are. They are through me and I

3541
02:05:19,840 --> 02:05:21,880
am vocalizing what they're asking for.

3542
02:05:21,880 --> 02:05:23,840
Sidewalks, raccoons, all these other

3543
02:05:23,840 --> 02:05:26,120
weird things that we don't do, but now

3544
02:05:26,120 --> 02:05:27,800
I'm hoping we'll do them and they're

3545
02:05:27,800 --> 02:05:29,760
getting removed. And so I'm trying to

3546
02:05:29,760 --> 02:05:31,720
clarify them, put them back, and then

3547
02:05:31,720 --> 02:05:33,680
trying to clarify that. Traffic calming.

3548
02:05:33,680 --> 02:05:34,280
But anyways,

3549
02:05:34,280 --> 02:05:35,200
>> Shane has some comments.

3550
02:05:35,200 --> 02:05:36,480
>> That's all the that's all the intent

3551
02:05:36,480 --> 02:05:36,880
was.

3552
02:05:36,880 --> 02:05:39,960
>> The reason for that priority list

3553
02:05:39,960 --> 02:05:42,680
was to give us direction in finalizing

3554
02:05:42,680 --> 02:05:45,920
the budget with what money we had.

3555
02:05:45,920 --> 02:05:48,200
Keep going down through the list until

3556
02:05:48,200 --> 02:05:50,320
we felt like we ran out of money.

3557
02:05:50,320 --> 02:05:53,440
And so that's where the line got drawn.

3558
02:05:53,440 --> 02:05:54,080
>> They're right here.

3559
02:05:54,080 --> 02:05:55,960
>> That's why some of those projects are

3560
02:05:55,960 --> 02:05:58,760
not in there.

3561
02:05:58,760 --> 02:06:00,080
>> Those are the exact same projects that

3562
02:06:00,080 --> 02:06:02,200
we approved in May. They're in the

3563
02:06:02,200 --> 02:06:04,880
budget. This is in your packet that you

3564
02:06:04,880 --> 02:06:06,760
got last Friday.

3565
02:06:06,760 --> 02:06:08,120
I know it's your first There's a lot of

3566
02:06:08,120 --> 02:06:09,560
information going on. I'm saying in

3567
02:06:09,560 --> 02:06:11,560
black and white, these are the projects

3568
02:06:11,560 --> 02:06:14,000
that we approved in May. Staff took that

3569
02:06:14,000 --> 02:06:15,760
information and incorporated them

3570
02:06:15,760 --> 02:06:18,160
directly into our budget. This is our

3571
02:06:18,160 --> 02:06:19,160
budget.

3572
02:06:19,160 --> 02:06:20,520
>> Right, and the ones I'm bringing up are

3573
02:06:20,520 --> 02:06:21,600
the ones that are missing.

3574
02:06:21,600 --> 02:06:24,000
>> They they didn't make the list. Well,

3575
02:06:24,000 --> 02:06:26,680
they made the list because we said we

3576
02:06:26,680 --> 02:06:27,600
want all of these

3577
02:06:27,600 --> 02:06:28,680
>> then they were removed by staff.

3578
02:06:28,680 --> 02:06:32,200
>> We actually said as a the in consensus,

3579
02:06:32,200 --> 02:06:34,520
we want to include all of these

3580
02:06:34,520 --> 02:06:36,440
projects or all of these in the budget.

3581
02:06:36,440 --> 02:06:39,000
So, they did make the list. Now, where

3582
02:06:39,000 --> 02:06:41,080
we're getting in the weeds is did we run

3583
02:06:41,080 --> 02:06:43,080
out of money or not? And that's the part

3584
02:06:43,080 --> 02:06:44,480
I'm trying to understand because if

3585
02:06:44,480 --> 02:06:46,760
we're spreading out the roundabout over

3586
02:06:46,760 --> 02:06:49,440
a 2-year time period, we haven't run out

3587
02:06:49,440 --> 02:06:52,400
of money. So, we can't use the language

3588
02:06:52,400 --> 02:06:53,840
that we ran out of money.

3589
02:06:53,840 --> 02:06:55,680
>> Well, no, that's assuming depending on

3590
02:06:55,680 --> 02:06:58,920
what we decide our policy is for

3591
02:06:58,920 --> 02:07:00,480
our fund balance.

3592
02:07:00,480 --> 02:07:01,960
>> I I realize it.

3593
02:07:01,960 --> 02:07:04,800
>> Do you see the 1.45 million?

3594
02:07:04,800 --> 02:07:06,400
What do you like what do you I'm not

3595
02:07:06,400 --> 02:07:08,160
sure I'm following what are you saying?

3596
02:07:08,160 --> 02:07:10,760
>> I I believe that we're getting real-time

3597
02:07:10,760 --> 02:07:13,280
data on some construction costs that

3598
02:07:13,280 --> 02:07:15,200
that's already come down to maybe under

3599
02:07:15,200 --> 02:07:18,240
a million. So, so we're looking at

3600
02:07:18,240 --> 02:07:19,440
things

3601
02:07:19,440 --> 02:07:21,840
in this snapshot,

3602
02:07:21,840 --> 02:07:23,200
but as we move

3603
02:07:23,200 --> 02:07:23,480
forward

3604
02:07:23,480 --> 02:07:25,360
>> from where?

3605
02:07:25,360 --> 02:07:25,720
>> I

3606
02:07:25,720 --> 02:07:26,520
>> Highland.

3607
02:07:26,520 --> 02:07:28,760
>> Yeah, Highland's doing a four-way

3608
02:07:28,760 --> 02:07:29,400
>> million, wasn't

3609
02:07:29,400 --> 02:07:31,440
>> Well, there was one that four-way and it

3610
02:07:31,440 --> 02:07:32,680
was bigger.

3611
02:07:32,680 --> 02:07:34,680
So, you I mean, you just factor

3612
02:07:34,680 --> 02:07:35,880
three-way smaller.

3613
02:07:35,880 --> 02:07:37,440
>> Their roundabout was smaller or was

3614
02:07:37,440 --> 02:07:39,520
bigger than our roundabout.

3615
02:07:39,520 --> 02:07:41,000
>> the current roundabout. We just got this

3616
02:07:41,000 --> 02:07:44,320
information today. Shane's had it, but that's

3617
02:07:44,320 --> 02:07:45,080
I think we're getting

3618
02:07:45,080 --> 02:07:46,680
>> I mean, yeah, it doesn't matter, you

3619
02:07:46,680 --> 02:07:47,240
guys.

3620
02:07:47,240 --> 02:07:48,840
>> We've we've already discussed this since

3621
02:07:48,840 --> 02:07:49,880
in for the last 5 months. We've

3622
02:07:49,880 --> 02:07:51,800
discussed potential funding options.

3623
02:07:51,800 --> 02:07:52,840
Let's see where it ends up.

3624
02:07:52,840 --> 02:07:54,760
>> Right. So, thank you for the time. Uh

3625
02:07:54,760 --> 02:07:57,080
that was meant to just try to clarify.

3626
02:07:57,080 --> 02:07:58,160
>> No, I just appreciate

3627
02:07:58,160 --> 02:07:58,720
>> Thank you.

3628
02:07:58,720 --> 02:08:00,040
>> the last 5 months and being available

3629
02:08:00,040 --> 02:08:03,320
for questions and and and um all the

3630
02:08:03,320 --> 02:08:04,360
hard work that goes into this every

3631
02:08:04,360 --> 02:08:05,880
year. I'm I appreciate it more and more

3632
02:08:05,880 --> 02:08:07,120
every year.

3633
02:08:07,120 --> 02:08:09,640
One thing I'll note is we've been

3634
02:08:09,640 --> 02:08:10,880
wondering

3635
02:08:10,880 --> 02:08:13,240
you're only allowed to keep 35%

3636
02:08:13,240 --> 02:08:15,840
of your annual operating annual

3637
02:08:15,840 --> 02:08:17,120
What? Annual what?

3638
02:08:17,120 --> 02:08:18,160
>> Of your general fund.

3639
02:08:18,160 --> 02:08:19,600
>> General fund.

3640
02:08:19,600 --> 02:08:21,280
>> You're only allowed to keep 35% at the

3641
02:08:21,280 --> 02:08:22,920
end of the fiscal year. So, we're

3642
02:08:22,920 --> 02:08:25,720
transferring 1.25 million

3643
02:08:25,720 --> 02:08:27,000
from the general fund to the capital

3644
02:08:27,000 --> 02:08:28,400
project fund

3645
02:08:28,400 --> 02:08:30,240
um to stay

3646
02:08:30,240 --> 02:08:32,920
at or below that 35% barrier.

3647
02:08:32,920 --> 02:08:35,360
>> Yeah, and just uh just a reminder on

3648
02:08:35,360 --> 02:08:36,560
that, I

3649
02:08:36,560 --> 02:08:38,200
a good chunk of that money

3650
02:08:38,200 --> 02:08:38,760
>> It's for the fire station.

3651
02:08:38,760 --> 02:08:40,480
>> was allocated for the fire station, so

3652
02:08:40,480 --> 02:08:41,320
it's just

3653
02:08:41,320 --> 02:08:43,960
>> It's It's It's earmarked, right?

3654
02:08:43,960 --> 02:08:46,400
>> Another thing to keep in mind also is if

3655
02:08:46,400 --> 02:08:48,120
we get one of these grants from the

3656
02:08:48,120 --> 02:08:49,800
government for the upsizing of the water

3657
02:08:49,800 --> 02:08:53,640
tank, it's a $3 million grant, not a $6

3658
02:08:53,640 --> 02:08:55,400
million grant, which is the cost of the

3659
02:08:55,400 --> 02:08:58,830
total project.

3660
02:08:58,840 --> 02:08:59,280
So.

3661
02:08:59,280 --> 02:09:03,550
>> Those were enterprise funds, right?

3662
02:09:03,560 --> 02:09:05,160
» Which we don't have that much in the

3663
02:09:05,160 --> 02:09:06,040
enterprise fund.

3664
02:09:06,040 --> 02:09:08,440
>> Well, yeah, we'd have to

3665
02:09:08,440 --> 02:09:10,880
>> Okay. Did you have any other comments?

3666
02:09:10,880 --> 02:09:11,440
>> it.

3667
02:09:11,440 --> 02:09:12,600
>> Jessica?

3668
02:09:12,600 --> 02:09:14,280
>> I think, you know, you bring up a good

3669
02:09:14,280 --> 02:09:16,160
point where

3670
02:09:16,160 --> 02:09:18,800
we don't have clear line of sight on the

3671
02:09:18,800 --> 02:09:21,840
cost of the water improvements.

3672
02:09:21,840 --> 02:09:24,520
And I do believe that there are portions

3673
02:09:24,520 --> 02:09:27,120
of that project that we are approving

3674
02:09:27,120 --> 02:09:28,600
tonight.

3675
02:09:28,600 --> 02:09:31,590
Um

3676
02:09:31,600 --> 02:09:34,160
And so, I just want to spend a little

3677
02:09:34,160 --> 02:09:36,160
bit of time on

3678
02:09:36,160 --> 02:09:37,320
the water plan.

3679
02:09:37,320 --> 02:09:40,520
>> Yeah, so if you look at our PI projects,

3680
02:09:40,520 --> 02:09:42,760
go across that row, there's no dollars

3681
02:09:42,760 --> 02:09:46,670
in there.

3682
02:09:46,680 --> 02:09:49,440
There's a note down below that explains

3683
02:09:49,440 --> 02:09:51,720
the detail of why.

3684
02:09:51,720 --> 02:09:53,680
It's because we'll bring that back in a

3685
02:09:53,680 --> 02:09:56,200
budget amendment.

3686
02:09:56,200 --> 02:09:57,320
>> And so, we'll have a more robust

3687
02:09:57,320 --> 02:09:58,400
discussion about that.

3688
02:09:58,400 --> 02:10:00,000
>> Yes, it'll be a work session.

3689
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:02,040
>> We didn't feel like it was ready. Just

3690
02:10:02,040 --> 02:10:04,120
thought that was the appropriate

3691
02:10:04,120 --> 02:10:05,360
um

3692
02:10:05,360 --> 02:10:08,030
way to go.

3693
02:10:08,040 --> 02:10:09,080
» Okay.

3694
02:10:09,080 --> 02:10:10,760
>> And just trying to clarify one other

3695
02:10:10,760 --> 02:10:12,320
thing, talking about the roundabout and

3696
02:10:12,320 --> 02:10:15,000
splitting it in two budget years.

3697
02:10:15,000 --> 02:10:17,440
So, that's really applicable if the

3698
02:10:17,440 --> 02:10:20,360
funds are coming from the general fund,

3699
02:10:20,360 --> 02:10:21,760
but if they're the capital improvement

3700
02:10:21,760 --> 02:10:23,840
fund, it's not other than interest, it's

3701
02:10:23,840 --> 02:10:26,280
not generating new revenue every year

3702
02:10:26,280 --> 02:10:27,840
unless there's a transfer for some

3703
02:10:27,840 --> 02:10:31,920
reason. Just wanted to clarify that.

3704
02:10:31,920 --> 02:10:32,760
>> Jessica, did you have

3705
02:10:32,760 --> 02:10:36,200
>> be more It could be beneficial, but I

3706
02:10:36,200 --> 02:10:38,000
don't want to paint the wrong picture,

3707
02:10:38,000 --> 02:10:38,960
you know.

3708
02:10:38,960 --> 02:10:41,600
>> Okay. And I And just a comment on the

3709
02:10:41,600 --> 02:10:43,840
roundabout, when I was evaluating it as

3710
02:10:43,840 --> 02:10:45,800
being at the top of the list

3711
02:10:45,800 --> 02:10:48,440
to be completed, it's you know, we have

3712
02:10:48,440 --> 02:10:49,800
multiple

3713
02:10:49,800 --> 02:10:52,200
um professionals saying that even as

3714
02:10:52,200 --> 02:10:55,240
your city is today, you need to improve

3715
02:10:55,240 --> 02:10:57,520
the safety, but also the future growth.

3716
02:10:57,520 --> 02:11:00,440
I think we have over 200 entitled lots

3717
02:11:00,440 --> 02:11:04,200
that aren't even built on yet. And so if

3718
02:11:04,200 --> 02:11:06,480
nothing else changed, we didn't annex in

3719
02:11:06,480 --> 02:11:09,160
anything, which, you know, again, those

3720
02:11:09,160 --> 02:11:11,280
are all possibilities.

3721
02:11:11,280 --> 02:11:12,760
They're already saying from a city

3722
02:11:12,760 --> 02:11:14,880
planning standpoint that these are These

3723
02:11:14,880 --> 02:11:16,640
are hard decisions to make because they

3724
02:11:16,640 --> 02:11:19,800
deal with the best plan for the city 5

3725
02:11:19,800 --> 02:11:21,600
and 10 years from now.

3726
02:11:21,600 --> 02:11:24,240
In 5 and 10 years from now, someone will

3727
02:11:24,240 --> 02:11:26,520
say, "I wonder why they didn't do that

3728
02:11:26,520 --> 02:11:28,280
when they tore that whole road up and

3729
02:11:28,280 --> 02:11:30,080
put that path in and made that

3730
02:11:30,080 --> 02:11:31,600
million-dollar multi-million-dollar

3731
02:11:31,600 --> 02:11:33,960
improvement. How come they didn't have

3732
02:11:33,960 --> 02:11:35,680
the forward-thinking

3733
02:11:35,680 --> 02:11:38,160
ability to improve the safety and the

3734
02:11:38,160 --> 02:11:40,120
traffic flow?" Well, we actually do

3735
02:11:40,120 --> 02:11:42,400
because we have four engineers that have

3736
02:11:42,400 --> 02:11:45,960
all said this needs to happen. So

3737
02:11:45,960 --> 02:11:48,080
it may feel like a lot of money, but

3738
02:11:48,080 --> 02:11:49,440
we're all really glad we have our Main

3739
02:11:49,440 --> 02:11:51,240
Street roundabout.

3740
02:11:51,240 --> 02:11:53,480
It's intercool. It's kept us from having

3741
02:11:53,480 --> 02:11:55,000
a street light.

3742
02:11:55,000 --> 02:11:58,040
It's defined us, and it's just a good

3743
02:11:58,040 --> 02:11:59,760
again, good public planning, and I'm

3744
02:11:59,760 --> 02:12:02,040
very confident in putting these

3745
02:12:02,040 --> 02:12:04,560
resources towards that.

3746
02:12:04,560 --> 02:12:05,560
>> Sarah.

3747
02:12:05,560 --> 02:12:07,560
Um first thing, Shane, for putting

3748
02:12:07,560 --> 02:12:09,400
together the budget. Um

3749
02:12:09,400 --> 02:12:11,480
I'm sure that takes a long time.

3750
02:12:11,480 --> 02:12:14,080
Um for me, I guess highest priority, and

3751
02:12:14,080 --> 02:12:15,400
I'm glad we're going to do a work

3752
02:12:15,400 --> 02:12:17,840
session on the water projects because

3753
02:12:17,840 --> 02:12:19,960
that's a high priority for me.

3754
02:12:19,960 --> 02:12:21,080
Um

3755
02:12:21,080 --> 02:12:23,320
I guess I like what was said about the

3756
02:12:23,320 --> 02:12:26,680
roundabout. If in the meantime we can

3757
02:12:26,680 --> 02:12:28,800
find some way to mitigate some of the

3758
02:12:28,800 --> 02:12:31,440
safety concerns, I think we should

3759
02:12:31,440 --> 02:12:34,560
actively pursue options and I shared

3760
02:12:34,560 --> 02:12:36,960
with Carla, but there are temporary

3761
02:12:36,960 --> 02:12:38,880
pedestrian refuges that you can

3762
02:12:38,880 --> 02:12:41,240
implement. So, um I would love to be

3763
02:12:41,240 --> 02:12:43,720
able to look at some of those options to

3764
02:12:43,720 --> 02:12:45,600
mitigate in the meantime.

3765
02:12:45,600 --> 02:12:49,560
Um one other thought I had was

3766
02:12:49,560 --> 02:12:51,520
um the park tax. In here it suggested a

3767
02:12:51,520 --> 02:12:55,800
20/80 split, 20% going to um Alpine

3768
02:12:55,800 --> 02:12:57,600
historical. I don't remember how it was

3769
02:12:57,600 --> 02:12:59,520
phrased, but projects.

3770
02:12:59,520 --> 02:13:01,960
And I I don't know, does that need to be

3771
02:13:01,960 --> 02:13:04,040
defined in the motion, the exact

3772
02:13:04,040 --> 02:13:06,720
percentage? But I think a 20/80% split

3773
02:13:06,720 --> 02:13:09,680
of the park tax with 20% going to more

3774
02:13:09,680 --> 02:13:11,240
historical

3775
02:13:11,240 --> 02:13:13,000
things. I like that. I think that's a

3776
02:13:13,000 --> 02:13:15,400
great split. And then um with the the

3777
02:13:15,400 --> 02:13:18,960
flex the reserve policy. I I like the

3778
02:13:18,960 --> 02:13:21,200
idea of having a reserve policy.

3779
02:13:21,200 --> 02:13:22,320
Um

3780
02:13:22,320 --> 02:13:24,680
Shane educated me a little bit more on

3781
02:13:24,680 --> 02:13:26,360
this that maybe perhaps having a

3782
02:13:26,360 --> 02:13:28,600
flexible policy because sometimes you

3783
02:13:28,600 --> 02:13:30,080
don't know when

3784
02:13:30,080 --> 02:13:32,480
you're going to need funds and if we if

3785
02:13:32,480 --> 02:13:35,600
our policy is so stringent um that we

3786
02:13:35,600 --> 02:13:37,240
need funds and we can't get funds

3787
02:13:37,240 --> 02:13:39,080
because of our own policy, we just need

3788
02:13:39,080 --> 02:13:41,040
to be very thoughtful about that.

3789
02:13:41,040 --> 02:13:42,960
Um and the last

3790
02:13:42,960 --> 02:13:45,040
uh thing with the roundabout,

3791
02:13:45,040 --> 02:13:46,360
I

3792
02:13:46,360 --> 02:13:48,520
did like option three. I feel like if we

3793
02:13:48,520 --> 02:13:50,480
can get funding,

3794
02:13:50,480 --> 02:13:54,120
um that's probably the most prudent way

3795
02:13:54,120 --> 02:13:56,280
to go about that and um

3796
02:13:56,280 --> 02:13:59,480
I like Shane's idea of moving the

3797
02:13:59,480 --> 02:14:00,560
um

3798
02:14:00,560 --> 02:14:02,080
the the sidewalk to the other side.

3799
02:14:02,080 --> 02:14:03,280
Anyways, it's all in the packet. You

3800
02:14:03,280 --> 02:14:06,440
guys have read it that part, but I just thought that that was a great

3801
02:14:06,440 --> 02:14:08,320
idea and that would that those are my

3802
02:14:08,320 --> 02:14:09,400
thoughts. So.

3803
02:14:09,400 --> 02:14:11,520
>> No, and to address that, I do appreciate

3804
02:14:11,520 --> 02:14:12,560
that. I don't know if you guys were

3805
02:14:12,560 --> 02:14:13,520
aware we're talking about the same

3806
02:14:13,520 --> 02:14:16,440
project that um Shane came up with a way

3807
02:14:16,440 --> 02:14:19,680
that would um improve pedestrian safety

3808
02:14:19,680 --> 02:14:22,160
um south further south along Canyon

3809
02:14:22,160 --> 02:14:26,040
Crest and save um a lot of money on the

3810
02:14:26,040 --> 02:14:28,880
project. So, he um what he was

3811
02:14:28,880 --> 02:14:31,160
projecting is not only having a

3812
02:14:31,160 --> 02:14:36,080
pedestrian um safety um island, but

3813
02:14:36,080 --> 02:14:39,880
moving um the trail to the other side

3814
02:14:39,880 --> 02:14:41,680
that would save so much because of the

3815
02:14:41,680 --> 02:14:44,040
infrastructure with the power poles and

3816
02:14:44,040 --> 02:14:45,360
things like that. That if we move it to

3817
02:14:45,360 --> 02:14:47,400
the other side, it would greatly change

3818
02:14:47,400 --> 02:14:50,560
the cost of the project. Therefore, um

3819
02:14:50,560 --> 02:14:53,920
we might be able to apply the savings to

3820
02:14:53,920 --> 02:14:56,000
something else. I just don't know if

3821
02:14:56,000 --> 02:14:58,280
that's going to fly with

3822
02:14:58,280 --> 02:15:00,480
the new mayors

3823
02:15:00,480 --> 02:15:02,880
on the MAG Executive Council.

3824
02:15:02,880 --> 02:15:04,480
There's a lot of crazy things going on.

3825
02:15:04,480 --> 02:15:05,280
>> a shot.

3826
02:15:05,280 --> 02:15:06,480
>> No, no, totally. And that's why I

3827
02:15:06,480 --> 02:15:08,720
appreciate him doing that. That That was

3828
02:15:08,720 --> 02:15:10,280
a lot of I mean, you know, that's That's

3829
02:15:10,280 --> 02:15:11,760
what I appreciate about Shane that he

3830
02:15:11,760 --> 02:15:14,520
has that knowledge of an engineer. He

3831
02:15:14,520 --> 02:15:16,320
knows our city cuz he's been here for so

3832
02:15:16,320 --> 02:15:18,800
long that he understands it so well that

3833
02:15:18,800 --> 02:15:20,200
he's always looking for ways to save

3834
02:15:20,200 --> 02:15:22,120
money. So.

3835
02:15:22,120 --> 02:15:23,000
Chrissy.

3836
02:15:23,000 --> 02:15:25,520
>> Okay. Um I think we approached this

3837
02:15:25,520 --> 02:15:28,080
budget year um with a lot of money in

3838
02:15:28,080 --> 02:15:31,200
the bank and that we can personally

3839
02:15:31,200 --> 02:15:32,680
thank Shane for. He's been here the

3840
02:15:32,680 --> 02:15:36,240
longest and has carefully um

3841
02:15:36,240 --> 02:15:39,040
considered projects and other things to

3842
02:15:39,040 --> 02:15:41,840
preserve um capital so we have options

3843
02:15:41,840 --> 02:15:44,080
for the future. So, I do appreciate

3844
02:15:44,080 --> 02:15:47,160
that. Um I I want to talk about our fund

3845
02:15:47,160 --> 02:15:50,520
balance policy that we have talked about

3846
02:15:50,520 --> 02:15:53,120
finishing. I In the motion, I would like

3847
02:15:53,120 --> 02:15:56,520
us to put a timeline on it and have it

3848
02:15:56,520 --> 02:15:59,000
done in the next 90 days, even by

3849
02:15:59,000 --> 02:16:02,000
October 1st or first meeting in October,

3850
02:16:02,000 --> 02:16:04,120
which is October 13th. I don't know

3851
02:16:04,120 --> 02:16:06,520
who's going to make the motion, team,

3852
02:16:06,520 --> 02:16:09,560
but I hope that um we can include a

3853
02:16:09,560 --> 02:16:13,000
timeline so that as we consider the

3854
02:16:13,000 --> 02:16:16,600
projects that the mayor has read for us,

3855
02:16:16,600 --> 02:16:19,680
we are following the policy as we as we

3856
02:16:19,680 --> 02:16:22,080
are allocate funds towards them, which

3857
02:16:22,080 --> 02:16:25,720
is another step in the process.

3858
02:16:25,720 --> 02:16:27,800
If you need the wording of that motion,

3859
02:16:27,800 --> 02:16:29,520
I can provide that.

3860
02:16:29,520 --> 02:16:31,760
>> Just just clarification. That seems more

3861
02:16:31,760 --> 02:16:34,120
like an agenda discussion item that we

3862
02:16:34,120 --> 02:16:35,480
would put

3863
02:16:35,480 --> 02:16:38,800
forward with the proposal from two council

3864
02:16:38,800 --> 02:16:40,639
members of the mayor's staff rather than

3865
02:16:40,639 --> 02:16:42,719
making it part of this year's budget

3866
02:16:42,719 --> 02:16:43,240
motion.

3867
02:16:43,240 --> 02:16:44,800
>> Well, I think it's important because

3868
02:16:44,800 --> 02:16:45,920
>> to what we're

3869
02:16:45,920 --> 02:16:48,559
>> Okay. If you Caden, can you pull up Are

3870
02:16:48,559 --> 02:16:49,480
you here, Caden?

3871
02:16:49,480 --> 02:16:50,480
>> No, he just left.

3872
02:16:50,480 --> 02:16:53,280
>> Sorry. Can the fund balance analysis

3873
02:16:53,280 --> 02:16:54,080
chart

3874
02:16:54,080 --> 02:16:57,160
>> No, I understand that the overall

3875
02:16:57,160 --> 02:16:59,440
fiscal res- fiscal policy of the city is

3876
02:16:59,440 --> 02:17:01,920
really important and it will apply to

3877
02:17:01,920 --> 02:17:03,320
every

3878
02:17:03,320 --> 02:17:05,480
budget decision moving forward, but it

3879
02:17:05,480 --> 02:17:07,360
seems like this would be a proposed

3880
02:17:07,360 --> 02:17:08,679
agenda item

3881
02:17:08,679 --> 02:17:11,240
to me to have it as a discussion item.

3882
02:17:11,240 --> 02:17:16,080
>> No, I see Brent's point that having a fund

3883
02:17:16,080 --> 02:17:19,920
balance policy was not an agenda item

3884
02:17:19,920 --> 02:17:22,000
and so for us to vote on it specifically

3885
02:17:22,000 --> 02:17:24,400
since it wasn't noticed that that's

3886
02:17:24,400 --> 02:17:25,800
probably something that we need to bring

3887
02:17:25,800 --> 02:17:27,480
on the agenda in the future. So maybe

3888
02:17:27,480 --> 02:17:28,960
the next meeting we can put that on the

3889
02:17:28,960 --> 02:17:30,360
agenda so that we can actually have a

3890
02:17:30,360 --> 02:17:33,400
policy and then be able to follow that

3891
02:17:33,400 --> 02:17:36,240
policy and then be able to

3892
02:17:36,240 --> 02:17:39,559
um with you know, a more comprehensive

3893
02:17:39,559 --> 02:17:41,639
awareness of our budget and be able to

3894
02:17:41,639 --> 02:17:43,160
move forward.

3895
02:17:43,160 --> 02:17:45,480
>> Um Well, the the fund balance analysis

3896
02:17:45,480 --> 02:17:48,160
was a part of our budget right here.

3897
02:17:48,160 --> 02:17:51,040
So, the point the re- the reason is

3898
02:17:51,040 --> 02:17:52,599
in every single nearly every single

3899
02:17:52,599 --> 02:17:54,639
category, we're spending beyond what

3900
02:17:54,639 --> 02:17:56,120
we're bringing in.

3901
02:17:56,120 --> 02:17:58,120
So, to me that that speaks to the need

3902
02:17:58,120 --> 02:18:00,559
to address this issue because it's it's

3903
02:18:00,559 --> 02:18:03,519
not a one-time thing. it's a reoccurring

3904
02:18:03,519 --> 02:18:05,960
it's reoccurring in every single fund.

3905
02:18:05,960 --> 02:18:08,800
And so that's part of my willingness to

3906
02:18:08,800 --> 02:18:11,800
approve this budget is that we address

3907
02:18:11,800 --> 02:18:14,200
that specific issue.

3908
02:18:14,200 --> 02:18:15,920
>> But would

3909
02:18:15,920 --> 02:18:17,160
understanding what we're going to do

3910
02:18:17,160 --> 02:18:19,760
with bonding apply to this because

3911
02:18:19,760 --> 02:18:21,360
that's again we don't have that

3912
02:18:21,360 --> 02:18:23,400
information and so when you say spending

3913
02:18:23,400 --> 02:18:25,800
beyond we're spending beyond because we

3914
02:18:25,800 --> 02:18:29,719
have not implemented all of our funding

3915
02:18:29,719 --> 02:18:30,840
opportunities?

3916
02:18:30,840 --> 02:18:32,559
>> No, the bond

3917
02:18:32,559 --> 02:18:34,559
if you want to turn to the the water

3918
02:18:34,559 --> 02:18:37,280
page of the water budget, there is zero

3919
02:18:37,280 --> 02:18:39,840
dollars allocated to the nine million

3920
02:18:39,840 --> 02:18:42,320
dollars of projects we need to do. So

3921
02:18:42,320 --> 02:18:45,320
there we're spending beyond our intake,

3922
02:18:45,320 --> 02:18:47,240
our revenue, we're in every single

3923
02:18:47,240 --> 02:18:49,320
category we're spending beyond our

3924
02:18:49,320 --> 02:18:52,200
revenues, every single category because

3925
02:18:52,200 --> 02:18:53,880
and we're dipping into fund balance to

3926
02:18:53,880 --> 02:18:55,920
spread out all our projects

3927
02:18:55,920 --> 02:19:00,679
without ever bonding for anything.

3928
02:19:00,679 --> 02:19:02,599
And so it's not like we're going to pay

3929
02:19:02,599 --> 02:19:04,639
for these projects that are in this

3930
02:19:04,639 --> 02:19:07,200
budget with a bond. No, they're they're

3931
02:19:07,200 --> 02:19:08,240
not even those

3932
02:19:08,240 --> 02:19:10,360
>> But again the other piece of information

3933
02:19:10,360 --> 02:19:11,840
is we don't know what we're doing with

3934
02:19:11,840 --> 02:19:13,760
staff. We don't know what we're doing

3935
02:19:13,760 --> 02:19:14,559
with wages.

3936
02:19:14,559 --> 02:19:17,000
>> With all respect that was $65,000.

3937
02:19:17,000 --> 02:19:19,400
>> It's not a huge amount. I'm just saying

3938
02:19:19,400 --> 02:19:20,000
there's we don't

3939
02:19:20,000 --> 02:19:21,440
>> Can you go back to the fund balances

3940
02:19:21,440 --> 02:19:22,240
page?

3941
02:19:22,240 --> 02:19:23,960
>> It's not going to make up for the amount

3942
02:19:23,960 --> 02:19:24,760
of money I agree.

3943
02:19:24,760 --> 02:19:27,080
>> We already decided it has to come later.

3944
02:19:27,080 --> 02:19:30,080
We can't we yeah there was analysis done

3945
02:19:30,080 --> 02:19:30,960
but

3946
02:19:30,960 --> 02:19:32,320
there's having a

3947
02:19:32,320 --> 02:19:33,920
>> I think for us to have a policy we do

3948
02:19:33,920 --> 02:19:34,840
need to bring it up.

3949
02:19:34,840 --> 02:19:36,440
>> That's great. Let's let's do it. Just

3950
02:19:36,440 --> 02:19:38,679
like we had the same discussion with Tia

3951
02:19:38,679 --> 02:19:40,480
with Lone Peak Public Safety District.

3952
02:19:40,480 --> 02:19:43,200
We had an unusually high fund balance

3953
02:19:43,200 --> 02:19:45,480
and we made a decision as a board to

3954
02:19:45,480 --> 02:19:47,639
utilize some of that fund balance to buy

3955
02:19:47,639 --> 02:19:49,400
equipment and

3956
02:19:49,400 --> 02:19:51,520
meet other expenses

3957
02:19:51,520 --> 02:19:55,120
to come to some kind of happy medium.

3958
02:19:55,120 --> 02:19:56,400
And that's a great idea. It's great to

3959
02:19:56,400 --> 02:19:58,520
have a policy. It sounds like Alpine's

3960
02:19:58,520 --> 02:19:59,160
never had one.

3961
02:19:59,160 --> 02:20:01,840
>> So, can we have it's because we've had

3962
02:20:01,840 --> 02:20:04,120
Shane who's been the gatekeeper of our

3963
02:20:04,120 --> 02:20:06,760
money and he's done a great job. So, can

3964
02:20:06,760 --> 02:20:09,440
I I will entertain a motion for our

3965
02:20:09,440 --> 02:20:11,520
>> Wait, I I wasn't That was just one

3966
02:20:11,520 --> 02:20:12,000
thing.

3967
02:20:12,000 --> 02:20:13,640
>> Sorry, I thought you were done.

3968
02:20:13,640 --> 02:20:15,120
>> So, if we're Okay, if we if we're not

3969
02:20:15,120 --> 02:20:16,240
going to have a motion if our motion

3970
02:20:16,240 --> 02:20:17,480
doesn't include anything about the fund

3971
02:20:17,480 --> 02:20:19,440
balance, I'll go through the two council

3972
02:20:19,440 --> 02:20:21,680
process if that's necessary. If we're

3973
02:20:21,680 --> 02:20:26,200
moving forward without that we can find Anyways, we'll we'll

3974
02:20:26,200 --> 02:20:27,920
take care of that in another, but I did

3975
02:20:27,920 --> 02:20:29,640
think it was relevant because the budget

3976
02:20:29,640 --> 02:20:31,600
is spending fund balance in every single

3977
02:20:31,600 --> 02:20:35,000
category, which is concerning. So,

3978
02:20:35,000 --> 02:20:38,160
um which it brings me to um the park

3979
02:20:38,160 --> 02:20:40,240
tax. So, can some Who's making the

3980
02:20:40,240 --> 02:20:42,800
motion? Can we please allocate the park

3981
02:20:42,800 --> 02:20:46,800
tax 80% and 20% as proposed by staff? We

3982
02:20:46,800 --> 02:20:49,320
are finishing our master plan on parks,

3983
02:20:49,320 --> 02:20:51,600
and I would like the bulk, if not 80%

3984
02:20:51,600 --> 02:20:54,280
exactly, to go to the park projects that

3985
02:20:54,280 --> 02:20:55,600
will be outlined when we finish the

3986
02:20:55,600 --> 02:20:59,200
master plan. So, I I hope that we I

3987
02:20:59,200 --> 02:21:01,400
would like to include that in the If you

3988
02:21:01,400 --> 02:21:02,840
don't include it in the motion, I will

3989
02:21:02,840 --> 02:21:05,560
ask to amend it for that. Um

3990
02:21:05,560 --> 02:21:07,960
the second thing is I think there was a

3991
02:21:07,960 --> 02:21:09,600
lot of public input about the

3992
02:21:09,600 --> 02:21:11,640
roundabout, so I wasn't planning to say

3993
02:21:11,640 --> 02:21:13,720
anything about it um because it's

3994
02:21:13,720 --> 02:21:15,360
already in the budget, guys. It's

3995
02:21:15,360 --> 02:21:17,720
already there. If you're against it, you

3996
02:21:17,720 --> 02:21:19,760
can it's um

3997
02:21:19,760 --> 02:21:22,320
we're not taking it out

3998
02:21:22,320 --> 02:21:24,560
so far from what I've heard. But, we

3999
02:21:24,560 --> 02:21:26,360
have not yet looked over the traffic

4000
02:21:26,360 --> 02:21:28,240
part of our Main Street Gateway plan,

4001
02:21:28,240 --> 02:21:30,320
which had a traffic engineer not just

4002
02:21:30,320 --> 02:21:33,240
look at one isolated um intersection,

4003
02:21:33,240 --> 02:21:35,280
but looked at our entire city at lots of

4004
02:21:35,280 --> 02:21:37,080
opportunities to help with

4005
02:21:37,080 --> 02:21:38,640
intersections, like we've talked about

4006
02:21:38,640 --> 02:21:40,640
maybe Canyon Crest or

4007
02:21:40,640 --> 02:21:42,200
they they they highlighted a lot of

4008
02:21:42,200 --> 02:21:44,120
things even going down Alpine Highway.

4009
02:21:44,120 --> 02:21:45,640
There's not a crosswalk on Alpine

4010
02:21:45,640 --> 02:21:47,560
Highway. Things like little things like

4011
02:21:47,560 --> 02:21:49,280
that, and that's why the traffic calming

4012
02:21:49,280 --> 02:21:51,880
measures of $50,000 could do a lot of

4013
02:21:51,880 --> 02:21:54,880
little projects to help a lot of areas.

4014
02:21:54,880 --> 02:21:58,160
um I don't I hope it I hope it can. But,

4015
02:21:58,160 --> 02:21:59,720
based on your comments, I was really

4016
02:21:59,720 --> 02:22:02,200
listening to you, Andrew. They said, in

4017
02:22:02,200 --> 02:22:04,480
the meantime, because they knew that the

4018
02:22:04,480 --> 02:22:06,360
potential roundabout would be delayed

4019
02:22:06,360 --> 02:22:08,680
because of the MAG funding and building

4020
02:22:08,680 --> 02:22:10,440
the whole road and all of that, our

4021
02:22:10,440 --> 02:22:12,080
traffic engineer came up with two

4022
02:22:12,080 --> 02:22:14,760
alternatives to what we could do in the

4023
02:22:14,760 --> 02:22:16,440
interim that would just require

4024
02:22:16,440 --> 02:22:19,400
re-striping the road. And now is not the

4025
02:22:19,400 --> 02:22:21,600
time to go into that detail.

4026
02:22:21,600 --> 02:22:23,680
I I hope that we can get to the traffic

4027
02:22:23,680 --> 02:22:25,480
part of our Main Street in our next

4028
02:22:25,480 --> 02:22:26,920
meeting or the at least the second

4029
02:22:26,920 --> 02:22:29,160
meeting after that, because it has a

4030
02:22:29,160 --> 02:22:31,440
solution to the things you've all talked

4031
02:22:31,440 --> 02:22:34,800
about by a a traffic engineer, which I I

4032
02:22:34,800 --> 02:22:37,440
really do rely on our experts.

4033
02:22:37,440 --> 02:22:39,800
They already said like this is a problem

4034
02:22:39,800 --> 02:22:41,560
as has been noted. Here are some

4035
02:22:41,560 --> 02:22:44,080
solutions you could do in the meantime

4036
02:22:44,080 --> 02:22:47,080
until you can build a roundabout if you

4037
02:22:47,080 --> 02:22:50,040
have the funds, right? And so,

4038
02:22:50,040 --> 02:22:52,760
I just think that that is to come and

4039
02:22:52,760 --> 02:22:54,840
that is something we could consider as

4040
02:22:54,840 --> 02:22:57,680
well as part of our traffic calming is

4041
02:22:57,680 --> 02:23:00,240
to do this re-striping that he has here.

4042
02:23:00,240 --> 02:23:01,760
And when we get to the Main Street

4043
02:23:01,760 --> 02:23:03,960
guidelines, you can see all that. Okay,

4044
02:23:03,960 --> 02:23:05,520
thank you, Caden, for bringing up the

4045
02:23:05,520 --> 02:23:09,200
fund balance analysis. And just for the

4046
02:23:09,200 --> 02:23:11,400
because this the public is here, the

4047
02:23:11,400 --> 02:23:13,120
revenue line is right there in the

4048
02:23:13,120 --> 02:23:16,720
middle proposed revenue of 2027. And if

4049
02:23:16,720 --> 02:23:19,280
you look, every the line below that is

4050
02:23:19,280 --> 02:23:22,160
how much are we going to spend above if

4051
02:23:22,160 --> 02:23:23,800
it's above

4052
02:23:23,800 --> 02:23:25,280
So, let's just look at Classy Road

4053
02:23:25,280 --> 02:23:27,440
funds. If it's 845, that's the amount of

4054
02:23:27,440 --> 02:23:29,280
money you bring in, but we're spending

4055
02:23:29,280 --> 02:23:31,000
1,100.

4056
02:23:31,000 --> 02:23:32,560
So, that's what I'm saying in every

4057
02:23:32,560 --> 02:23:34,720
single one of these rows, we're spending

4058
02:23:34,720 --> 02:23:36,840
more than we're bringing in. And that's

4059
02:23:36,840 --> 02:23:38,920
because of the we had a long list of

4060
02:23:38,920 --> 02:23:41,040
projects we wanted to do. We didn't

4061
02:23:41,040 --> 02:23:43,680
eliminate any. They're all on the list

4062
02:23:43,680 --> 02:23:44,960
and therefore we have to use fund

4063
02:23:44,960 --> 02:23:47,000
balance to accomplish them.

4064
02:23:47,000 --> 02:23:47,760
Um

4065
02:23:47,760 --> 02:23:49,680
from my 10 years in public office, there

4066
02:23:49,680 --> 02:23:52,160
was a saying, you can do anything you

4067
02:23:52,160 --> 02:23:54,000
want, but you can't do everything we

4068
02:23:54,000 --> 02:23:56,840
want. And we just need to to the mayor's

4069
02:23:56,840 --> 02:23:59,160
comments, if we get to the top three and

4070
02:23:59,160 --> 02:24:01,080
we're done with our money, at least we

4071
02:24:01,080 --> 02:24:02,960
prioritize that we all agree these are

4072
02:24:02,960 --> 02:24:04,480
our top three things. And the number one

4073
02:24:04,480 --> 02:24:07,360
thing is traffic calming. Okay. So, I

4074
02:24:07,360 --> 02:24:09,040
can support the things we've all talked

4075
02:24:09,040 --> 02:24:10,840
about. I appreciate the dialogue. I

4076
02:24:10,840 --> 02:24:13,400
agree with Jessica. I learn from all of

4077
02:24:13,400 --> 02:24:16,080
you. Um you talk people. We live in

4078
02:24:16,080 --> 02:24:18,000
different areas around the city. You

4079
02:24:18,000 --> 02:24:20,000
have different bi- backgrounds, and it

4080
02:24:20,000 --> 02:24:22,480
just helps us make better decisions when

4081
02:24:22,480 --> 02:24:24,800
we all get a chance to have a voice. And

4082
02:24:24,800 --> 02:24:26,760
so, I appreciate um our mayor each

4083
02:24:26,760 --> 02:24:29,560
giving us an opportunity. And I will uh

4084
02:24:29,560 --> 02:24:31,800
support a motion. Whoever wants to make

4085
02:24:31,800 --> 02:24:32,920
it.

4086
02:24:32,920 --> 02:24:35,440
When you're

4087
02:24:35,440 --> 02:24:36,920
>> I will entertain a motion.

4088
02:24:36,920 --> 02:24:39,080
>> Uh I can make a motion. I think

4089
02:24:39,080 --> 02:24:40,080
Jessica's ready.

4090
02:24:40,080 --> 02:24:44,320
>> I'm ready. Um and just this motion is I

4091
02:24:44,320 --> 02:24:47,120
first want to say I I I support the

4092
02:24:47,120 --> 02:24:49,160
overwhelming majority of this budget,

4093
02:24:49,160 --> 02:24:51,200
and I appreciate all the work that staff

4094
02:24:51,200 --> 02:24:54,560
and council we've spent countless hours

4095
02:24:54,560 --> 02:24:57,040
um pouring over a lot of these details.

4096
02:24:57,040 --> 02:24:59,760
So, the motion isn't intended to delay

4097
02:24:59,760 --> 02:25:01,560
any kind of city operations at all.

4098
02:25:01,560 --> 02:25:02,760
Rather,

4099
02:25:02,760 --> 02:25:05,400
it is just to be able to take some time

4100
02:25:05,400 --> 02:25:07,240
on a couple of these items and look a

4101
02:25:07,240 --> 02:25:09,280
little bit deeper on them. So, with

4102
02:25:09,280 --> 02:25:11,720
that, I move to approve ordinance

4103
02:25:11,720 --> 02:25:13,360
2026-14

4104
02:25:13,360 --> 02:25:16,480
adopting the fiscal year 2027 final

4105
02:25:16,480 --> 02:25:18,440
budget with the following modifications

4106
02:25:18,440 --> 02:25:21,880
and conditions. The proposed executive

4107
02:25:21,880 --> 02:25:24,440
and staff compensation increases, new

4108
02:25:24,440 --> 02:25:27,400
employee hire request are excluded from

4109
02:25:27,400 --> 02:25:30,520
the fiscal year 2027 final budget, and

4110
02:25:30,520 --> 02:25:31,920
shall be brought back to the city

4111
02:25:31,920 --> 02:25:33,880
council following a publicly noticed

4112
02:25:33,880 --> 02:25:36,840
work session to revu- to review the

4113
02:25:36,840 --> 02:25:39,440
completed compensation study, market

4114
02:25:39,440 --> 02:25:42,400
comparisons, compensation philosophy,

4115
02:25:42,400 --> 02:25:44,880
internal equity, and long-term fiscal

4116
02:25:44,880 --> 02:25:49,280
impacts no later than June 30th of 2026.

4117
02:25:49,280 --> 02:25:51,360
Number two, funds appropriated for the

4118
02:25:51,360 --> 02:25:53,840
Ridge Drive and Canyon Crest roundabout

4119
02:25:53,840 --> 02:25:56,000
shall remain restricted for that project

4120
02:25:56,000 --> 02:25:58,080
as proposed

4121
02:25:58,080 --> 02:26:00,600
and shall not be reallocated to another

4122
02:26:00,600 --> 02:26:02,760
purpose except by subsequent action of

4123
02:26:02,760 --> 02:26:04,920
the City Council. The City Council

4124
02:26:04,920 --> 02:26:07,120
further affirms that the Ridge Drive and

4125
02:26:07,120 --> 02:26:10,600
Canyon Crest roundabout as an adopted

4126
02:26:10,600 --> 02:26:13,440
fiscal year 2027 capital improvement

4127
02:26:13,440 --> 02:26:15,960
priority and direct staff to continue

4128
02:26:15,960 --> 02:26:18,320
engineering, grant administration,

4129
02:26:18,320 --> 02:26:19,680
permitting, and other project

4130
02:26:19,680 --> 02:26:22,480
development activities necessary to

4131
02:26:22,480 --> 02:26:24,720
advance the project. And then number

4132
02:26:24,720 --> 02:26:27,480
three, park tax funds will be allocated

4133
02:26:27,480 --> 02:26:31,120
as follows: 80% parks

4134
02:26:31,120 --> 02:26:34,360
and open space and 20% to historical

4135
02:26:34,360 --> 02:26:38,310
arts and culture.

4136
02:26:38,320 --> 02:26:40,720
» To amend it, do we second it first?

4137
02:26:40,720 --> 02:26:42,600
>> Yes, is that the end of your

4138
02:26:42,600 --> 02:26:43,320
>> Is there a second?

4139
02:26:43,320 --> 02:26:45,680
>> modifications, I approve the ordinance.

4140
02:26:45,680 --> 02:26:46,760
>> Is there a second?

4141
02:26:46,760 --> 02:26:48,320
>> second it, but do we need to ask ask for

4142
02:26:48,320 --> 02:26:50,200
amendments first in this case?

4143
02:26:50,200 --> 02:26:51,360
>> need a second.

4144
02:26:51,360 --> 02:26:51,760
>> it.

4145
02:26:51,760 --> 02:26:53,680
>> Okay, so we have a motion by

4146
02:26:53,680 --> 02:26:55,440
Councilwoman Smewing

4147
02:26:55,440 --> 02:26:57,800
seconded by Councilman Young.

4148
02:26:57,800 --> 02:26:59,800
Did you have a proposed amendment to

4149
02:26:59,800 --> 02:27:01,600
>> I have a few if you'll consider and feel

4150
02:27:01,600 --> 02:27:04,160
free to give me a suggestion.

4151
02:27:04,160 --> 02:27:05,760
When you

4152
02:27:05,760 --> 02:27:06,400
uh

4153
02:27:06,400 --> 02:27:08,240
when you

4154
02:27:08,240 --> 02:27:10,440
define the discussion we'll have about

4155
02:27:10,440 --> 02:27:13,000
staff um

4156
02:27:13,000 --> 02:27:14,520
raises

4157
02:27:14,520 --> 02:27:17,080
that you add into your list of things we

4158
02:27:17,080 --> 02:27:19,000
will discuss

4159
02:27:19,000 --> 02:27:22,760
an exploration and definition of merit.

4160
02:27:22,760 --> 02:27:25,560
Meaning we will decide in that discuss

4161
02:27:25,560 --> 02:27:27,080
That's what I would say in it, but

4162
02:27:27,080 --> 02:27:29,800
meaning we would explore and define what

4163
02:27:29,800 --> 02:27:31,360
merit is.

4164
02:27:31,360 --> 02:27:33,440
In my mind, I'm thinking benchmarks and

4165
02:27:33,440 --> 02:27:34,880
performance and then then we would be

4166
02:27:34,880 --> 02:27:36,440
able to give them raises that they

4167
02:27:36,440 --> 02:27:39,150
deserve.

4168
02:27:39,160 --> 02:27:40,720
So, that's one. Uh do you want me to go

4169
02:27:40,720 --> 02:27:42,080
through all of them the amendments or

4170
02:27:42,080 --> 02:27:43,160
just one at a time? Do you want to

4171
02:27:43,160 --> 02:27:44,120
approve them one at a time or do you

4172
02:27:44,120 --> 02:27:44,680
want me to go through all

4173
02:27:44,680 --> 02:27:46,280
>> to just shoot this down and start a new

4174
02:27:46,280 --> 02:27:47,240
amendment or

4175
02:27:47,240 --> 02:27:48,760
>> no. I think her amend- I think I think

4176
02:27:48,760 --> 02:27:49,840
hers is great. It's just

4177
02:27:49,840 --> 02:27:51,640
>> But let's just talk about that. To me,

4178
02:27:51,640 --> 02:27:53,880
that's a work session and that's

4179
02:27:53,880 --> 02:27:56,720
understood that we will

4180
02:27:56,720 --> 02:27:59,560
define a merit because we're looking at

4181
02:27:59,560 --> 02:28:01,440
>> Do you think in your list

4182
02:28:01,440 --> 02:28:03,040
you wouldn't just add the word and

4183
02:28:03,040 --> 02:28:05,320
define merit in that?

4184
02:28:05,320 --> 02:28:07,480
>> Do you accept his amendment?

4185
02:28:07,480 --> 02:28:08,680
To define merit in

4186
02:28:08,680 --> 02:28:10,760
>> I accept define merit. I don't want to

4187
02:28:10,760 --> 02:28:11,960
say exploration.

4188
02:28:11,960 --> 02:28:13,640
>> Okay. Define merit. That's my The next

4189
02:28:13,640 --> 02:28:15,200
one is

4190
02:28:15,200 --> 02:28:17,240
and feel free to nix all these. In the

4191
02:28:17,240 --> 02:28:19,760
funding for the roundabout can you add

4192
02:28:19,760 --> 02:28:21,960
in the clarification that we first

4193
02:28:21,960 --> 02:28:24,840
prioritize MAG funding, then prioritize

4194
02:28:24,840 --> 02:28:27,480
the sale of Alpine City land and then

4195
02:28:27,480 --> 02:28:30,400
use other funds?

4196
02:28:30,400 --> 02:28:35,870
>> Do you accept the amendment?

4197
02:28:35,880 --> 02:28:37,520
That's an understood. Of course, we're

4198
02:28:37,520 --> 02:28:39,760
going to look at all under other funding

4199
02:28:39,760 --> 02:28:40,480
sources.

4200
02:28:40,480 --> 02:28:44,240
>> So, I think he asked for a very specific

4201
02:28:44,240 --> 02:28:47,520
order that you first considered grants.

4202
02:28:47,520 --> 02:28:48,920
>> Do you need an explanation of it or not?

4203
02:28:48,920 --> 02:28:51,280
>> Yeah. No, he had So, do you accept that

4204
02:28:51,280 --> 02:28:52,280
amendment yes or no?

4205
02:28:52,280 --> 02:28:53,480
>> do you understand the amendment or do

4206
02:28:53,480 --> 02:28:54,480
you want me to explain it?

4207
02:28:54,480 --> 02:28:56,360
>> I think she understands. Do you accept

4208
02:28:56,360 --> 02:28:57,520
>> her to say that because

4209
02:28:57,520 --> 02:28:59,360
>> It's not going to be conditioned. I

4210
02:28:59,360 --> 02:29:02,240
would say we Okay. Say that use the

4211
02:29:02,240 --> 02:29:03,240
language again.

4212
02:29:03,240 --> 02:29:04,720
>> that we would

4213
02:29:04,720 --> 02:29:06,560
prioritize

4214
02:29:06,560 --> 02:29:08,560
in the funding of the roundabout first

4215
02:29:08,560 --> 02:29:10,120
funds from MAG. Doesn't mean we're not

4216
02:29:10,120 --> 02:29:11,280
going to do it. It just means we would

4217
02:29:11,280 --> 02:29:14,080
prioritize first funds from MAG, second

4218
02:29:14,080 --> 02:29:15,480
from the sale

4219
02:29:15,480 --> 02:29:18,600
of Alpine City land and third from other

4220
02:29:18,600 --> 02:29:19,720
funds.

4221
02:29:19,720 --> 02:29:20,960
>> Do you accept that amendment?

4222
02:29:20,960 --> 02:29:22,600
>> Would you accept now using the word

4223
02:29:22,600 --> 02:29:23,560
explore?

4224
02:29:23,560 --> 02:29:24,200
>> Yes. Yes.

4225
02:29:24,200 --> 02:29:26,280
>> Okay. I would substitute explore for

4226
02:29:26,280 --> 02:29:27,280
prioritize.

4227
02:29:27,280 --> 02:29:31,120
>> Okay. The other amendment is

4228
02:29:31,120 --> 02:29:33,800
that the traffic calming

4229
02:29:33,800 --> 02:29:35,200
uh

4230
02:29:35,200 --> 02:29:36,360
budget

4231
02:29:36,360 --> 02:29:37,360
um

4232
02:29:37,360 --> 02:29:38,240
What do we call these? The traffic

4233
02:29:38,240 --> 02:29:40,960
calming budget item

4234
02:29:40,960 --> 02:29:44,640
uh include a list of the specific street

4235
02:29:44,640 --> 02:29:46,800
improvements and in that list Main

4236
02:29:46,800 --> 02:29:48,440
Street and East Canyon Crest are

4237
02:29:48,440 --> 02:29:51,160
included with West Canyon Crest

4238
02:29:51,160 --> 02:29:53,800
with others that will follow.

4239
02:29:53,800 --> 02:29:56,560
>> Do you accept the amendment? So, would

4240
02:29:56,560 --> 02:29:58,520
that be number four?

4241
02:29:58,520 --> 02:29:59,240
Yes.

4242
02:29:59,240 --> 02:30:01,400
>> Yes.

4243
02:30:01,400 --> 02:30:03,360
>> Do you accept the amendment? Yes or no?

4244
02:30:03,360 --> 02:30:04,240
>> repeat it?

4245
02:30:04,240 --> 02:30:05,960
>> The goal Okay, and just to explain it,

4246
02:30:05,960 --> 02:30:07,760
the goal is that we clarify the traffic

4247
02:30:07,760 --> 02:30:09,760
calming measures and make a list and add

4248
02:30:09,760 --> 02:30:11,880
two additional streets to West Canyon

4249
02:30:11,880 --> 02:30:14,760
Crest being Main Street

4250
02:30:14,760 --> 02:30:17,160
and uh East Canyon Crest. So, it would

4251
02:30:17,160 --> 02:30:19,120
be um

4252
02:30:19,120 --> 02:30:21,040
that on the budget item for traffic

4253
02:30:21,040 --> 02:30:23,240
calming measures that we also include a

4254
02:30:23,240 --> 02:30:25,880
list of various street of various street

4255
02:30:25,880 --> 02:30:28,160
improvements that include Main Street

4256
02:30:28,160 --> 02:30:32,240
and Canyon Crest East and others.

4257
02:30:32,240 --> 02:30:33,160
>> Do you accept it?

4258
02:30:33,160 --> 02:30:33,760
>> Yes.

4259
02:30:33,760 --> 02:30:36,160
>> Okay. Thank you. This is I hope the

4260
02:30:36,160 --> 02:30:36,840
public is

4261
02:30:36,840 --> 02:30:37,800
>> Okay, anything else?

4262
02:30:37,800 --> 02:30:41,680
>> Yes, yes, last two. Um

4263
02:30:41,680 --> 02:30:43,720
would you accept an amendment that in

4264
02:30:43,720 --> 02:30:46,800
the budget that we add back in the

4265
02:30:46,800 --> 02:30:49,760
easement beautification on as the first

4266
02:30:49,760 --> 02:30:51,720
minute So, I'll just read it. Add back

4267
02:30:51,720 --> 02:30:53,880
in from our original motion

4268
02:30:53,880 --> 02:30:56,280
easement beautification and the raccoon

4269
02:30:56,280 --> 02:30:58,560
plan.

4270
02:30:58,560 --> 02:31:00,000
>> For

4271
02:31:00,000 --> 02:31:01,080
>> So, they're they're missing in this

4272
02:31:01,080 --> 02:31:01,240
budget.

4273
02:31:01,240 --> 02:31:02,080
>> the amendment?

4274
02:31:02,080 --> 02:31:03,480
>> They're missing in this budget.

4275
02:31:03,480 --> 02:31:05,520
>> think they've been removed.

4276
02:31:05,520 --> 02:31:08,280
They They were part of our approved

4277
02:31:08,280 --> 02:31:09,280
budget list.

4278
02:31:09,280 --> 02:31:10,840
>> No, I know, but they're not in what

4279
02:31:10,840 --> 02:31:12,840
we're uh agreeing to right now. That's

4280
02:31:12,840 --> 02:31:14,960
why I'm asking to add them back in.

4281
02:31:14,960 --> 02:31:17,400
>> If Yes, if they're not listed as we

4282
02:31:17,400 --> 02:31:19,960
agreed on the council to include them,

4283
02:31:19,960 --> 02:31:21,640
then yes, I would add them back in.

4284
02:31:21,640 --> 02:31:23,520
>> Yes, the last one

4285
02:31:23,520 --> 02:31:24,520
um

4286
02:31:24,520 --> 02:31:26,320
you already included, which was the 80%

4287
02:31:26,320 --> 02:31:28,440
for parks and 20% for Lexi. That's all I

4288
02:31:28,440 --> 02:31:29,560
have. Thank you. Appreciate it.

4289
02:31:29,560 --> 02:31:33,190
>> Okay. Um

4290
02:31:33,200 --> 02:31:35,280
Deanne, I'm just going to apologize

4291
02:31:35,280 --> 02:31:37,160
right now cuz this is one heck of a

4292
02:31:37,160 --> 02:31:39,400
motion you're going to have to type up

4293
02:31:39,400 --> 02:31:41,560
for us. Probably have to play repeat

4294
02:31:41,560 --> 02:31:43,320
many times. Um

4295
02:31:43,320 --> 02:31:44,840
we have a motion by Councilwoman

4296
02:31:44,840 --> 02:31:48,000
Smeaton, seconded by Councilman Young

4297
02:31:48,000 --> 02:31:49,760
with the four

4298
02:31:49,760 --> 02:31:50,960
Is there four amendments? Is that

4299
02:31:50,960 --> 02:31:51,720
correct?

4300
02:31:51,720 --> 02:31:54,440
>> Uh definition of merit, there's

4301
02:31:54,440 --> 02:31:55,640
prioritizing of the funds for the

4302
02:31:55,640 --> 02:31:57,880
roundabout, the list for the traffic

4303
02:31:57,880 --> 02:31:59,520
calming measures on various streets

4304
02:31:59,520 --> 02:32:01,520
including Canyon Crest East and Main

4305
02:32:01,520 --> 02:32:04,640
Street. Um adding back in the easement

4306
02:32:04,640 --> 02:32:07,240
beautification on Alpine Highway and the

4307
02:32:07,240 --> 02:32:08,840
raccoon plan.

4308
02:32:08,840 --> 02:32:13,720
And that's all. So, there's five. Am I right? 1 2

4309
02:32:13,720 --> 02:32:15,080
>> Did you say five? I thought that was

4310
02:32:15,080 --> 02:32:15,880
four.

4311
02:32:15,880 --> 02:32:17,360
>> 1

4312
02:32:17,360 --> 02:32:18,360
2

4313
02:32:18,360 --> 02:32:19,880
>> Four conditions. Let

4314
02:32:19,880 --> 02:32:20,600
>> You're right, four.

4315
02:32:20,600 --> 02:32:22,040
>> Four conditions. Let's proceed with the

4316
02:32:22,040 --> 02:32:23,200
roll call vote.

4317
02:32:23,200 --> 02:32:24,360
>> Do we have questions on them?

4318
02:32:24,360 --> 02:32:26,200
>> Yes, do you have questions on the motion

4319
02:32:26,200 --> 02:32:27,960
cuz I'm sure you do because it was very

4320
02:32:27,960 --> 02:32:28,640
extensive.

4321
02:32:28,640 --> 02:32:30,200
>> I'm sorry to interrupt

4322
02:32:30,200 --> 02:32:31,960
because it lasted so long. So, if if

4323
02:32:31,960 --> 02:32:34,480
something's getting added back in, has

4324
02:32:34,480 --> 02:32:35,680
to be determined where the money's

4325
02:32:35,680 --> 02:32:36,680
coming from.

4326
02:32:36,680 --> 02:32:37,880
>> Okay.

4327
02:32:37,880 --> 02:32:39,360
>> If we don't have revenue, we can't pay

4328
02:32:39,360 --> 02:32:40,280
for it.

4329
02:32:40,280 --> 02:32:40,560
>> [clears throat]

4330
02:32:40,560 --> 02:32:42,760
>> So, correct me if I'm wrong, the

4331
02:32:42,760 --> 02:32:45,600
raccoons and Alpine Highway were removed

4332
02:32:45,600 --> 02:32:47,080
because those were on the bottom of the

4333
02:32:47,080 --> 02:32:49,040
list and we ran out of money.

4334
02:32:49,040 --> 02:32:49,800
>> Well, hold on.

4335
02:32:49,800 --> 02:32:51,600
>> And that's that's the instruction we

4336
02:32:51,600 --> 02:32:53,520
were given from that motion. That's the

4337
02:32:53,520 --> 02:32:57,200
whole reason for the motion.

4338
02:32:57,200 --> 02:32:58,200
That was the reason they were

4339
02:32:58,200 --> 02:33:00,800
prioritized so we could make the funds

4340
02:33:00,800 --> 02:33:02,960
actually pulled 50,000 from the

4341
02:33:02,960 --> 02:33:05,560
roundabout bringing it from 1.5 million

4342
02:33:05,560 --> 02:33:07,880
to 1.45

4343
02:33:07,880 --> 02:33:09,480
to accommodate

4344
02:33:09,480 --> 02:33:12,440
even some of those items on that list.

4345
02:33:12,440 --> 02:33:13,280
>> So,

4346
02:33:13,280 --> 02:33:14,560
can I can I clarify since you're talking

4347
02:33:14,560 --> 02:33:16,560
about the amendment? The The two

4348
02:33:16,560 --> 02:33:18,480
amendments that I added are not because

4349
02:33:18,480 --> 02:33:20,760
we ran out of money. I know you can uh

4350
02:33:20,760 --> 02:33:22,320
like verbalize it that way or think

4351
02:33:22,320 --> 02:33:25,520
about it that way. This is $3,000.

4352
02:33:25,520 --> 02:33:27,680
You know you're approving about 6

4353
02:33:27,680 --> 02:33:29,960
million for the fire station at $3

4354
02:33:29,960 --> 02:33:33,240
million bond. These are very tiny. And

4355
02:33:33,240 --> 02:33:34,920
to go to your point that we're

4356
02:33:34,920 --> 02:33:37,360
overspending, it's because the council

4357
02:33:37,360 --> 02:33:39,480
has basically said yes to everything in

4358
02:33:39,480 --> 02:33:41,520
the last 6 months, almost approving $8

4359
02:33:41,520 --> 02:33:43,400
million. I have not done that. That's

4360
02:33:43,400 --> 02:33:45,120
why I've said no to almost everything

4361
02:33:45,120 --> 02:33:46,520
cuz I didn't want us to get locked into

4362
02:33:46,520 --> 02:33:48,720
a budget that we had no money for. And

4363
02:33:48,720 --> 02:33:50,280
so we've approved way too many things.

4364
02:33:50,280 --> 02:33:52,440
That's why we're spending more. So, the

4365
02:33:52,440 --> 02:33:53,800
raccoon plan is not because we're

4366
02:33:53,800 --> 02:33:55,200
running out of money at $3,000. The

4367
02:33:55,200 --> 02:33:57,280
highway easement plan is not because

4368
02:33:57,280 --> 02:33:58,000
we're running out of money. That's

4369
02:33:58,000 --> 02:33:59,960
asking for $10,000.

4370
02:33:59,960 --> 02:34:01,560
And so, no, it's because there are just

4371
02:34:01,560 --> 02:34:03,680
things that staff doesn't want to do.

4372
02:34:03,680 --> 02:34:07,640
>> So, I don't think that's fair to say.

4373
02:34:07,640 --> 02:34:10,120
>> So, yeah.

4374
02:34:10,120 --> 02:34:12,440
>> So, if let's say we don't do a project,

4375
02:34:12,440 --> 02:34:15,360
like let's say for some reason, I mean,

4376
02:34:15,360 --> 02:34:17,440
we don't do one of these projects, is it

4377
02:34:17,440 --> 02:34:19,160
advantageous to have those still on the

4378
02:34:19,160 --> 02:34:21,000
list as backups? I don't know.

4379
02:34:21,000 --> 02:34:22,440
>> I would love that. Well, I just you know

4380
02:34:22,440 --> 02:34:22,720
what

4381
02:34:22,720 --> 02:34:23,320
>> that a

4382
02:34:23,320 --> 02:34:25,280
>> Neither of these are Andrew's budget

4383
02:34:25,280 --> 02:34:27,520
proposals. These are neighborhood budget

4384
02:34:27,520 --> 02:34:29,360
proposals from people that I had no

4385
02:34:29,360 --> 02:34:31,200
inclination of doing. It's ones they're

4386
02:34:31,200 --> 02:34:33,000
asking for.

4387
02:34:33,000 --> 02:34:34,080
>> from what I understand what you just

4388
02:34:34,080 --> 02:34:36,240
said is the things that are added back

4389
02:34:36,240 --> 02:34:38,360
in. So, can we have the fund balance

4390
02:34:38,360 --> 02:34:40,120
back up?

4391
02:34:40,120 --> 02:34:43,280
So, right now we have to allocate which

4392
02:34:43,280 --> 02:34:45,280
fund balance

4393
02:34:45,280 --> 02:34:47,480
these projects are going back are being

4394
02:34:47,480 --> 02:34:48,960
Okay. So, can we have that back up,

4395
02:34:48,960 --> 02:34:50,360
please, Cayden?

4396
02:34:50,360 --> 02:34:52,560
And let's say we don't do a project. Can

4397
02:34:52,560 --> 02:34:54,560
do they have to be like these other two

4398
02:34:54,560 --> 02:34:56,600
projects? And this is maybe a question

4399
02:34:56,600 --> 02:34:59,200
for staff. Do they have to be listed or

4400
02:34:59,200 --> 02:35:01,360
can we just know that if one of the

4401
02:35:01,360 --> 02:35:03,120
projects doesn't happen and we have

4402
02:35:03,120 --> 02:35:04,120
extra funds

4403
02:35:04,120 --> 02:35:05,560
>> That could happen later.

4404
02:35:05,560 --> 02:35:08,120
>> We can And that has happened in the

4405
02:35:08,120 --> 02:35:09,240
past. So,

4406
02:35:09,240 --> 02:35:10,320
>> So, it could be later.

4407
02:35:10,320 --> 02:35:11,960
>> to know projects. Just because it's not

4408
02:35:11,960 --> 02:35:13,560
in there doesn't mean it's not going to

4409
02:35:13,560 --> 02:35:14,840
happen.

4410
02:35:14,840 --> 02:35:16,120
It's just that

4411
02:35:16,120 --> 02:35:17,160
>> This is why I would include that.

4412
02:35:17,160 --> 02:35:19,320
>> Don't solo. has

4413
02:35:19,320 --> 02:35:21,680
voted to prioritize

4414
02:35:21,680 --> 02:35:23,840
and prioritize voted to prioritize

4415
02:35:23,840 --> 02:35:25,760
projects that are important to them and

4416
02:35:25,760 --> 02:35:28,840
you've given direction to staff to do it

4417
02:35:28,840 --> 02:35:30,320
in that order.

4418
02:35:30,320 --> 02:35:32,600
>> Right, but we were never told that staff

4419
02:35:32,600 --> 02:35:35,400
would make an arbitrary line and nix

4420
02:35:35,400 --> 02:35:36,000
some of them.

4421
02:35:36,000 --> 02:35:38,800
>> Well, okay. The arbitrary line is

4422
02:35:38,800 --> 02:35:40,480
if you look at the fund balance, just

4423
02:35:40,480 --> 02:35:43,360
what Chrissy was saying, we get

4424
02:35:43,360 --> 02:35:44,640
X amount of dollars in

4425
02:35:44,640 --> 02:35:46,040
>> No, I know you get X amount

4426
02:35:46,040 --> 02:35:47,360
>> about mayor. This are

4427
02:35:47,360 --> 02:35:48,040
>> So

4428
02:35:48,040 --> 02:35:50,200
>> the $3,000

4429
02:35:50,200 --> 02:35:52,720
for a entire city wide problem.

4430
02:35:52,720 --> 02:35:55,280
>> looking at us going into the red. Yes,

4431
02:35:55,280 --> 02:35:57,480
if you want to choose that, let's work

4432
02:35:57,480 --> 02:35:59,320
with Shane who is our finance director

4433
02:35:59,320 --> 02:36:00,960
to see which

4434
02:36:00,960 --> 02:36:02,560
fund balance it

4435
02:36:02,560 --> 02:36:05,280
>> plan, which seems ridiculous, I know, is

4436
02:36:05,280 --> 02:36:07,160
not putting us in the red. Other things

4437
02:36:07,160 --> 02:36:08,280
are putting us in the red.

4438
02:36:08,280 --> 02:36:09,760
>> All we I said all we have to do is we

4439
02:36:09,760 --> 02:36:11,640
need to figure out which fund balance

4440
02:36:11,640 --> 02:36:12,960
that comes out of.

4441
02:36:12,960 --> 02:36:15,080
>> Well, they cannot be in the general fund

4442
02:36:15,080 --> 02:36:17,880
for now if funds allow it. I mean, do I

4443
02:36:17,880 --> 02:36:19,440
need to make another amendment to just

4444
02:36:19,440 --> 02:36:22,200
that one amendment?

4445
02:36:22,200 --> 02:36:23,800
>> So what were the items that were being

4446
02:36:23,800 --> 02:36:25,480
added back? It's the

4447
02:36:25,480 --> 02:36:26,680
>> And I I know this must

4448
02:36:26,680 --> 02:36:28,520
>> Pine Highway beautification and what was

4449
02:36:28,520 --> 02:36:31,040
the other one? The raccoons. Okay. So

4450
02:36:31,040 --> 02:36:32,720
what would you suggest which fund

4451
02:36:32,720 --> 02:36:34,920
balance it comes from?

4452
02:36:34,920 --> 02:36:38,120
>> Um probably capital improvement fund.

4453
02:36:38,120 --> 02:36:39,360
All right. I don't know what the

4454
02:36:39,360 --> 02:36:41,760
beautification is dependent on us

4455
02:36:41,760 --> 02:36:43,640
getting some kind of access right to

4456
02:36:43,640 --> 02:36:44,120
that. So

4457
02:36:44,120 --> 02:36:45,720
>> Which is kind of like the roundabout

4458
02:36:45,720 --> 02:36:46,840
that didn't happen.

4459
02:36:46,840 --> 02:36:48,160
>> Right, it's uncertain. It's like the

4460
02:36:48,160 --> 02:36:51,480
roundabout that didn't happen in um

4461
02:36:51,480 --> 02:36:53,760
Lambert. These can be nixed if say it

4462
02:36:53,760 --> 02:36:55,520
doesn't work out. And I just like to say

4463
02:36:55,520 --> 02:36:57,160
I know this is probably so painful for

4464
02:36:57,160 --> 02:36:58,720
the residents and the staff and the

4465
02:36:58,720 --> 02:36:59,800
mayor.

4466
02:36:59,800 --> 02:37:00,840
But

4467
02:37:00,840 --> 02:37:02,280
if you work in a family or you work in a

4468
02:37:02,280 --> 02:37:04,320
business and you're not a numbers person

4469
02:37:04,320 --> 02:37:06,640
and you don't really detail this and

4470
02:37:06,640 --> 02:37:08,760
scrutinize it and have pushback and back

4471
02:37:08,760 --> 02:37:11,080
and forth and discussion, you will make

4472
02:37:11,080 --> 02:37:12,720
bad decisions. So I hope you see the

4473
02:37:12,720 --> 02:37:14,760
value in how much we're caring, how much

4474
02:37:14,760 --> 02:37:16,520
we're trying to listen to residents, and

4475
02:37:16,520 --> 02:37:17,720
how much we're trying to nitpick at

4476
02:37:17,720 --> 02:37:19,280
these numbers. So, I I just hope that

4477
02:37:19,280 --> 02:37:22,360
comes through besides the

4478
02:37:22,360 --> 02:37:24,640
potential chaos that you're looking at.

4479
02:37:24,640 --> 02:37:31,000
>> Andrew, how is it that we're um I I'm not following

4480
02:37:31,000 --> 02:37:32,200
your

4481
02:37:32,200 --> 02:37:33,640
process

4482
02:37:33,640 --> 02:37:36,120
in that the statement, you can't do

4483
02:37:36,120 --> 02:37:38,880
everything you want. You're relentless.

4484
02:37:38,880 --> 02:37:40,480
>> I agree. You can't do everything you

4485
02:37:40,480 --> 02:37:41,720
want. Okay, let me explain. Two big

4486
02:37:41,720 --> 02:37:49,150
things. These are not things I want.

4487
02:37:49,160 --> 02:37:51,000
These are things that the residents of

4488
02:37:51,000 --> 02:37:53,680
Aliso Viejo are pleading for.

4489
02:37:53,680 --> 02:37:56,310
Okay.

4490
02:37:56,320 --> 02:37:57,680
I am representing them. These are things

4491
02:37:57,680 --> 02:38:00,320
that they are asking for. We are doing

4492
02:38:00,320 --> 02:38:02,760
things, staff is doing things with money

4493
02:38:02,760 --> 02:38:05,120
that they have never asked for, and that

4494
02:38:05,120 --> 02:38:07,400
is why we have depleted funds to do the

4495
02:38:07,400 --> 02:38:10,520
things that they are asking for. Okay.

4496
02:38:10,520 --> 02:38:13,600
So, I am trying to pivot it very small,

4497
02:38:13,600 --> 02:38:15,280
very very minor

4498
02:38:15,280 --> 02:38:17,320
to put the funds towards things they are

4499
02:38:17,320 --> 02:38:19,080
asking for. Right now, we're in

4500
02:38:19,080 --> 02:38:20,600
>> But you're telling the the residents

4501
02:38:20,600 --> 02:38:22,320
they can have everything they want.

4502
02:38:22,320 --> 02:38:23,000
>> No, I'm not saying that.

4503
02:38:23,000 --> 02:38:24,600
>> Yeah, you're you're the dad who who

4504
02:38:24,600 --> 02:38:25,880
doesn't know how to say no to his

4505
02:38:25,880 --> 02:38:26,400
children.

4506
02:38:26,400 --> 02:38:27,480
>> want. This is people

4507
02:38:27,480 --> 02:38:29,200
>> This is everything on your list.

4508
02:38:29,200 --> 02:38:31,000
>> This is not my list. This is a list that

4509
02:38:31,000 --> 02:38:33,040
residents have pleaded for.

4510
02:38:33,040 --> 02:38:34,920
>> Yeah, I always I'm

4511
02:38:34,920 --> 02:38:37,440
>> Okay, let's stop. We have a motion, we

4512
02:38:37,440 --> 02:38:39,800
have a second amended motion with four

4513
02:38:39,800 --> 02:38:42,560
contingencies.

4514
02:38:42,560 --> 02:38:43,240
I

4515
02:38:43,240 --> 02:38:45,080
I'm sorry, amendment to the motion with

4516
02:38:45,080 --> 02:38:46,760
four um different

4517
02:38:46,760 --> 02:38:47,840
>> Four four amendments.

4518
02:38:47,840 --> 02:38:50,120
>> I I don't understand the number two. Can

4519
02:38:50,120 --> 02:38:51,360
somebody explain that?

4520
02:38:51,360 --> 02:38:53,040
>> What What was number two? The adding the

4521
02:38:53,040 --> 02:38:53,800
funding for the roundabout?

4522
02:38:53,800 --> 02:38:55,320
>> Could you read your part again, and then

4523
02:38:55,320 --> 02:38:56,600
somebody explain what that means in a

4524
02:38:56,600 --> 02:39:00,270
legal sense?

4525
02:39:00,280 --> 02:39:02,240
» Do you want me to say Okay, funds

4526
02:39:02,240 --> 02:39:04,840
appropriated for the Ridge Drive and

4527
02:39:04,840 --> 02:39:06,920
Canyon Crest roundabout shall remain

4528
02:39:06,920 --> 02:39:10,840
restricted for that project as proposed.

4529
02:39:10,840 --> 02:39:12,160
So again, as a council we've made

4530
02:39:12,160 --> 02:39:13,640
decisions.

4531
02:39:13,640 --> 02:39:16,040
It's just another layer so that we're

4532
02:39:16,040 --> 02:39:17,640
that

4533
02:39:17,640 --> 02:39:20,400
staff or an outside entity isn't

4534
02:39:20,400 --> 02:39:22,440
reallocating those monies to another

4535
02:39:22,440 --> 02:39:25,160
project based upon

4536
02:39:25,160 --> 02:39:26,680
>> So do you realize though you've said

4537
02:39:26,680 --> 02:39:28,720
tonight that like right now the budget

4538
02:39:28,720 --> 02:39:33,000
has been moved down from 1.5 to 1450?

4539
02:39:33,000 --> 02:39:36,120
Um that if the cost comes down lower,

4540
02:39:36,120 --> 02:39:37,720
right? And then maybe it's only a

4541
02:39:37,720 --> 02:39:40,280
million.

4542
02:39:40,280 --> 02:39:42,200
You still want to allocate So you're not

4543
02:39:42,200 --> 02:39:43,480
giving any flexibility is what I'm

4544
02:39:43,480 --> 02:39:44,040
saying.

4545
02:39:44,040 --> 02:39:46,800
>> think she did cuz she said that with

4546
02:39:46,800 --> 02:39:48,800
Read your last part. The last part kind

4547
02:39:48,800 --> 02:39:51,000
of addresses I do understand what you

4548
02:39:51,000 --> 02:39:53,680
the restricted kind of is um

4549
02:39:53,680 --> 02:39:55,760
uncomfortable for me, but she did put in

4550
02:39:55,760 --> 02:39:56,480
a

4551
02:39:56,480 --> 02:39:57,520
>> Will you read it again?

4552
02:39:57,520 --> 02:39:59,240
>> Read the last part of your

4553
02:39:59,240 --> 02:40:00,920
>> And the part about the city council,

4554
02:40:00,920 --> 02:40:01,720
right?

4555
02:40:01,720 --> 02:40:02,960
>> For that the pro Okay.

4556
02:40:02,960 --> 02:40:03,560
>> It's your first sentence.

4557
02:40:03,560 --> 02:40:06,000
>> Shall remain restricted for that project

4558
02:40:06,000 --> 02:40:09,120
as proposed and shall not be reallocated

4559
02:40:09,120 --> 02:40:12,320
to another purpose except by subsequent

4560
02:40:12,320 --> 02:40:14,680
action by the city council.

4561
02:40:14,680 --> 02:40:16,800
So it's just putting us in

4562
02:40:16,800 --> 02:40:18,600
keeping us in those decisions.

4563
02:40:18,600 --> 02:40:19,440
>> So in

4564
02:40:19,440 --> 02:40:22,240
>> council further affirms the Ridge Drive

4565
02:40:22,240 --> 02:40:24,120
and Canyon Crest roundabout as an

4566
02:40:24,120 --> 02:40:27,080
adopted fiscal year 2027 capital

4567
02:40:27,080 --> 02:40:29,360
improvement priority, which we've said

4568
02:40:29,360 --> 02:40:30,840
it's number two.

4569
02:40:30,840 --> 02:40:33,160
It's and directs staff to continue

4570
02:40:33,160 --> 02:40:36,040
engineering, grant administration,

4571
02:40:36,040 --> 02:40:37,880
permitting, and other project

4572
02:40:37,880 --> 02:40:40,480
development activities necessary to

4573
02:40:40,480 --> 02:40:43,400
advance the project.

4574
02:40:43,400 --> 02:40:45,720
>> So let's say that because of this MAG

4575
02:40:45,720 --> 02:40:48,920
delay that we we really can't utilize

4576
02:40:48,920 --> 02:40:51,000
the funds till the next year. So

4577
02:40:51,000 --> 02:40:53,160
everything because of our 35% limit has

4578
02:40:53,160 --> 02:40:55,560
to get put over to capital improvements.

4579
02:40:55,560 --> 02:40:56,640
So you're saying we're just going to

4580
02:40:56,640 --> 02:40:58,560
track that and then are they going to

4581
02:40:58,560 --> 02:41:00,520
track every time they like they get an

4582
02:41:00,520 --> 02:41:02,280
engineering study or anything related to

4583
02:41:02,280 --> 02:41:03,640
it, subtract it.

4584
02:41:03,640 --> 02:41:05,800
>> Just like we did for the fire station,

4585
02:41:05,800 --> 02:41:07,200
no different.

4586
02:41:07,200 --> 02:41:09,440
We earmarked funds, we moved the project

4587
02:41:09,440 --> 02:41:12,760
forward, and we kept, you know, track of

4588
02:41:12,760 --> 02:41:14,800
those expenses that were

4589
02:41:14,800 --> 02:41:16,880
coming out of the fire station remodel.

4590
02:41:16,880 --> 02:41:23,480
>> Um when when there was the part that um Andrew added about paying for it

4591
02:41:23,480 --> 02:41:26,320
through the sale of property, like we we

4592
02:41:26,320 --> 02:41:28,800
really can't plan on that. Can we remove

4593
02:41:28,800 --> 02:41:30,320
that and leave everything else you said

4594
02:41:30,320 --> 02:41:30,840
though?

4595
02:41:30,840 --> 02:41:31,800
>> explore.

4596
02:41:31,800 --> 02:41:32,200
>> Yeah.

4597
02:41:32,200 --> 02:41:34,720
>> It was not It does not block us

4598
02:41:34,720 --> 02:41:36,080
>> this since

4599
02:41:36,080 --> 02:41:37,640
in for the last 5 months as as a

4600
02:41:37,640 --> 02:41:39,000
possibility. It's just a possibility.

4601
02:41:39,000 --> 02:41:40,000
>> No, I was trying to lock it in

4602
02:41:40,000 --> 02:41:41,880
>> mandatory we have those as the options

4603
02:41:41,880 --> 02:41:44,080
we explore first before using our

4604
02:41:44,080 --> 02:41:44,360
capital.

4605
02:41:44,360 --> 02:41:45,920
>> Well, and I think it's good clarity

4606
02:41:45,920 --> 02:41:47,800
again. It's awesome to have a lot of

4607
02:41:47,800 --> 02:41:49,800
public here. I've sat in these budget

4608
02:41:49,800 --> 02:41:52,040
meetings as a resident before. I think

4609
02:41:52,040 --> 02:41:53,200
there was me and one other

4610
02:41:53,200 --> 02:41:55,160
>> You guys, let's move on. Do you have

4611
02:41:55,160 --> 02:41:56,640
another question? Clarity

4612
02:41:56,640 --> 02:41:58,720
>> Yeah, so how how does that So my I

4613
02:41:58,720 --> 02:41:59,960
wanted you to read it again and then how

4614
02:41:59,960 --> 02:42:02,800
does that work on our side?

4615
02:42:02,800 --> 02:42:05,880
On the staff side of tracking that and

4616
02:42:05,880 --> 02:42:08,720
like since it's unusual.

4617
02:42:08,720 --> 02:42:11,560
>> We We can make it work, I mean.

4618
02:42:11,560 --> 02:42:13,760
We're working with the the consultant

4619
02:42:13,760 --> 02:42:16,240
right now on the Canyon Crest design. Um

4620
02:42:16,240 --> 02:42:17,960
they've just finished up their survey

4621
02:42:17,960 --> 02:42:20,240
and we're just really getting started,

4622
02:42:20,240 --> 02:42:21,640
so.

4623
02:42:21,640 --> 02:42:23,880
>> So it's like we have the MAG money is as

4624
02:42:23,880 --> 02:42:25,520
one bucket of money and then this

4625
02:42:25,520 --> 02:42:27,560
roundabout money is a separate bucket

4626
02:42:27,560 --> 02:42:29,560
and you allocate like if you have

4627
02:42:29,560 --> 02:42:30,720
engineering and it works on both

4628
02:42:30,720 --> 02:42:32,040
projects, you allocate it between the

4629
02:42:32,040 --> 02:42:32,520
two.

4630
02:42:32,520 --> 02:42:34,600
>> There's a lot of moving parts on that.

4631
02:42:34,600 --> 02:42:36,080
Like the inclusion of the roundabout,

4632
02:42:36,080 --> 02:42:37,200
there's a lot of different

4633
02:42:37,200 --> 02:42:38,960
possibilities. It kind of depends on

4634
02:42:38,960 --> 02:42:41,200
what falls into place.

4635
02:42:41,200 --> 02:42:43,040
But in the end, the council will be the

4636
02:42:43,040 --> 02:42:46,280
ones that will approve a project moving

4637
02:42:46,280 --> 02:42:47,080
forward.

4638
02:42:47,080 --> 02:42:47,960
>> Okay.

4639
02:42:47,960 --> 02:42:50,160
>> So I mean it's totally protected in that

4640
02:42:50,160 --> 02:42:51,640
way. I'm

4641
02:42:51,640 --> 02:42:53,680
>> Yeah, I don't know.

4642
02:42:53,680 --> 02:42:55,960
>> If it's not in the If it's not in the

4643
02:42:55,960 --> 02:42:57,360
motion,

4644
02:42:57,360 --> 02:42:59,720
staff whatever said here, staff is not

4645
02:42:59,720 --> 02:43:01,120
going to go reallocating a million

4646
02:43:01,120 --> 02:43:02,840
dollars. It's not going to happen. I can

4647
02:43:02,840 --> 02:43:04,600
tell you that for sure.

4648
02:43:04,600 --> 02:43:06,240
>> Okay.

4649
02:43:06,240 --> 02:43:10,200
>> So, it it all comes back to the council

4650
02:43:10,200 --> 02:43:11,640
making

4651
02:43:11,640 --> 02:43:13,880
a decision of how a project moves

4652
02:43:13,880 --> 02:43:16,040
forward.

4653
02:43:16,040 --> 02:43:18,258
>> I have a question regarding the motion.

4654
02:43:18,258 --> 02:43:18,640
>> [clears throat]

4655
02:43:18,640 --> 02:43:20,320
>> Yeah, if we add two more projects, right

4656
02:43:20,320 --> 02:43:22,560
now we have these sheets that are all

4657
02:43:22,560 --> 02:43:24,560
balanced. Does that just mean you go

4658
02:43:24,560 --> 02:43:27,000
back and you rework and

4659
02:43:27,000 --> 02:43:28,520
you just have to rebalance?

4660
02:43:28,520 --> 02:43:29,960
>> Have to move funds around.

4661
02:43:29,960 --> 02:43:33,310
>> Okay.

4662
02:43:33,320 --> 02:43:35,200
so we have a motion and a second.

4663
02:43:35,200 --> 02:43:37,840
Are there any other questions regarding

4664
02:43:37,840 --> 02:43:40,600
the motion itself? If not, I'll proceed

4665
02:43:40,600 --> 02:43:42,200
with a roll call vote.

4666
02:43:42,200 --> 02:43:43,400
>> Andrew Young, yes.

4667
02:43:43,400 --> 02:43:44,360
>> Brent Romley, yes.

4668
02:43:44,360 --> 02:43:46,600
>> Jessica Smeaton, yes.

4669
02:43:46,600 --> 02:43:53,470
>> Sarah Blackwell, yes.

4670
02:43:53,480 --> 02:43:54,920
» Am I allowed to abstain?

4671
02:43:54,920 --> 02:43:57,080
>> Yeah, you can.

4672
02:43:57,080 --> 02:43:59,990
>> I abstain.

4673
02:44:00,000 --> 02:44:01,640
» Okay. [clears throat]

4674
02:44:01,640 --> 02:44:03,520
Ordinance passes. We'll move on to item

4675
02:44:03,520 --> 02:44:05,000
C.

4676
02:44:05,000 --> 02:44:08,200
Ordinance 2026-15,

4677
02:44:08,200 --> 02:44:12,720
the budget amendment for FY 2026.

4678
02:44:12,720 --> 02:44:15,840
>> Okay, there's uh as I mentioned before,

4679
02:44:15,840 --> 02:44:18,520
there's typically two budget amendments

4680
02:44:18,520 --> 02:44:21,600
we do during the budget year. Typically

4681
02:44:21,600 --> 02:44:23,560
one about halfway through and one at the

4682
02:44:23,560 --> 02:44:24,560
end.

4683
02:44:24,560 --> 02:44:27,160
So, this particular uh budget amendment

4684
02:44:27,160 --> 02:44:30,240
is coming at the end of fiscal year 26.

4685
02:44:30,240 --> 02:44:32,720
Uh there's three items in here that

4686
02:44:32,720 --> 02:44:34,960
we're making adjustments for.

4687
02:44:34,960 --> 02:44:37,400
Um in in parks, these are all general

4688
02:44:37,400 --> 02:44:40,200
fund items. In parks,

4689
02:44:40,200 --> 02:44:42,520
uh there's an amendment for increased

4690
02:44:42,520 --> 02:44:46,080
expenses in the amount of 25,000.

4691
02:44:46,080 --> 02:44:47,160
Uh

4692
02:44:47,160 --> 02:44:49,640
in the streets, there's an amendment of

4693
02:44:49,640 --> 02:44:51,800
30,000

4694
02:44:51,800 --> 02:44:54,040
for an increased

4695
02:44:54,040 --> 02:44:56,160
cost to finish our this last street

4696
02:44:56,160 --> 02:44:57,840
maintenance project.

4697
02:44:57,840 --> 02:44:59,960
And then there's a general fund

4698
02:44:59,960 --> 02:45:01,440
uh balance transferred to the capital

4699
02:45:01,440 --> 02:45:05,360
improvement fund of 1.25 million.

4700
02:45:05,360 --> 02:45:06,800
Um

4701
02:45:06,800 --> 02:45:08,800
so those are the three items that are

4702
02:45:08,800 --> 02:45:11,400
proposed in this budget amendment. Um

4703
02:45:11,400 --> 02:45:13,400
this item does require a public hearing

4704
02:45:13,400 --> 02:45:15,560
as been noticed.

4705
02:45:15,560 --> 02:45:17,120
And so

4706
02:45:17,120 --> 02:45:18,880
unless there's questions before I'd

4707
02:45:18,880 --> 02:45:20,480
recommend

4708
02:45:20,480 --> 02:45:28,230
opening the public hearing.

4709
02:45:28,240 --> 02:45:31,120
» The public hearing is now open um

4710
02:45:31,120 --> 02:45:33,000
for the proposed amendment amended

4711
02:45:33,000 --> 02:45:40,910
budget for fiscal year 2025-26.

4712
02:45:40,920 --> 02:45:44,270
Closed.

4713
02:45:44,280 --> 02:45:45,480
So we'll start. Andrew, do you have

4714
02:45:45,480 --> 02:45:48,990
anything?

4715
02:45:49,000 --> 02:45:51,080
» Just just a quick thing on the on the

4716
02:45:51,080 --> 02:45:52,920
next item. We might want to shift around

4717
02:45:52,920 --> 02:45:54,520
the agenda for the folks here. I think

4718
02:45:54,520 --> 02:45:55,800
they're here for the last item and I

4719
02:45:55,800 --> 02:45:58,120
think we're losing a lot of them. So on

4720
02:45:58,120 --> 02:45:59,080
the next

4721
02:45:59,080 --> 02:45:59,680
Oh, okay.

4722
02:45:59,680 --> 02:46:00,880
>> should be quick. I think that's

4723
02:46:00,880 --> 02:46:01,760
>> we're going to Yeah, do you have any

4724
02:46:01,760 --> 02:46:03,360
comments on the general fund?

4725
02:46:03,360 --> 02:46:06,360
>> No, I don't have any comments. Uh

4726
02:46:06,360 --> 02:46:08,920
there I I understand the third one um

4727
02:46:08,920 --> 02:46:11,240
Shane where you're moving into the

4728
02:46:11,240 --> 02:46:13,880
capital projects fund. Is that correct?

4729
02:46:13,880 --> 02:46:14,360
>> Yes.

4730
02:46:14,360 --> 02:46:16,920
>> And then the other two

4731
02:46:16,920 --> 02:46:19,600
I read through it briefly. I did not see

4732
02:46:19,600 --> 02:46:22,160
specifics on what that 25k and what that

4733
02:46:22,160 --> 02:46:23,720
30k

4734
02:46:23,720 --> 02:46:25,200
was specifically used for. Did I miss

4735
02:46:25,200 --> 02:46:26,160
that? What it was

4736
02:46:26,160 --> 02:46:29,120
>> The streets was for I just mentioned it.

4737
02:46:29,120 --> 02:46:30,640
Uh

4738
02:46:30,640 --> 02:46:31,680
>> I I know it said streets but

4739
02:46:31,680 --> 02:46:33,800
>> To finish up the project that we just

4740
02:46:33,800 --> 02:46:36,160
got approved. The chip seal project.

4741
02:46:36,160 --> 02:46:36,680
>> Oh, so it's not

4742
02:46:36,680 --> 02:46:38,920
>> It came in just a little bit over

4743
02:46:38,920 --> 02:46:39,760
>> over the 220?

4744
02:46:39,760 --> 02:46:42,560
>> what we had left in the budget.

4745
02:46:42,560 --> 02:46:44,400
You approved an amount

4746
02:46:44,400 --> 02:46:45,360
>> It was like 220.

4747
02:46:45,360 --> 02:46:46,320
>> 220 I think.

4748
02:46:46,320 --> 02:46:48,120
>> didn't have quite that much left in the

4749
02:46:48,120 --> 02:46:51,240
budget, so we're amending it

4750
02:46:51,240 --> 02:46:52,960
>> to have enough there to finish that

4751
02:46:52,960 --> 02:46:54,560
project.

4752
02:46:54,560 --> 02:46:56,840
The other one is just there's been a ton

4753
02:46:56,840 --> 02:47:00,280
of expenses with uh parks and sprinklers

4754
02:47:00,280 --> 02:47:02,480
more than anticipated.

4755
02:47:02,480 --> 02:47:04,000
So, it's just

4756
02:47:04,000 --> 02:47:05,600
general

4757
02:47:05,600 --> 02:47:06,480
uh

4758
02:47:06,480 --> 02:47:08,840
increase in costs over what was

4759
02:47:08,840 --> 02:47:10,600
anticipated in the parks.

4760
02:47:10,600 --> 02:47:15,910
>> Okay, thank you.

4761
02:47:15,920 --> 02:47:17,000
» Do you [clears throat] have any?

4762
02:47:17,000 --> 02:47:18,760
>> Uh nothing for me.

4763
02:47:18,760 --> 02:47:20,400
>> No comment.

4764
02:47:20,400 --> 02:47:21,240
No questions.

4765
02:47:21,240 --> 02:47:23,240
>> No questions.

4766
02:47:23,240 --> 02:47:25,720
>> Okay, with that we'll open a public

4767
02:47:25,720 --> 02:47:28,440
hearing. Oh, sorry.

4768
02:47:28,440 --> 02:47:30,720
I had a bio bio break. Sorry about that.

4769
02:47:30,720 --> 02:47:32,320
Um okay.

4770
02:47:32,320 --> 02:47:33,520
What's next? You want to finish this

4771
02:47:33,520 --> 02:47:33,840
off?

4772
02:47:33,840 --> 02:47:34,640
>> I'll make a motion.

4773
02:47:34,640 --> 02:47:35,320
>> Yeah, okay.

4774
02:47:35,320 --> 02:47:37,680
>> I move to approve ordinance 2026-15

4775
02:47:37,680 --> 02:47:40,160
amending the fiscal year 2025-2026

4776
02:47:40,160 --> 02:47:41,760
budget as proposed.

4777
02:47:41,760 --> 02:47:42,800
>> I'll second.

4778
02:47:42,800 --> 02:47:44,240
>> It's been moved by Councilman Rumler,

4779
02:47:44,240 --> 02:47:47,640
seconded by Councilwoman Blackwell.

4780
02:47:47,640 --> 02:47:48,800
Um if there's no further questions,

4781
02:47:48,800 --> 02:47:50,640
we'll proceed with the roll call vote.

4782
02:47:50,640 --> 02:47:52,640
>> Andrew Young, no. Brett Rumler, yes.

4783
02:47:52,640 --> 02:47:53,960
>> Jessica Smoot, yes.

4784
02:47:53,960 --> 02:47:55,160
>> Sarah Blackwell, yes.

4785
02:47:55,160 --> 02:47:56,680
>> Gracie Haneman, yes.

4786
02:47:56,680 --> 02:47:59,080
>> Okay, with that we'll move on to item D,

4787
02:47:59,080 --> 02:48:03,190
resolution R 2026-25.

4788
02:48:03,200 --> 02:48:06,080
The fire station community center um

4789
02:48:06,080 --> 02:48:07,760
project, the approval of the amendment

4790
02:48:07,760 --> 02:48:10,160
to number one to the agreement between

4791
02:48:10,160 --> 02:48:11,200
Circ

4792
02:48:11,200 --> 02:48:12,560
You know what?

4793
02:48:12,560 --> 02:48:13,920
And the rest.

4794
02:48:13,920 --> 02:48:14,360
>> Sorry.

4795
02:48:14,360 --> 02:48:15,560
>> It's a long one.

4796
02:48:15,560 --> 02:48:16,760
>> It is.

4797
02:48:16,760 --> 02:48:18,200
>> Yeah, so

4798
02:48:18,200 --> 02:48:19,000
uh

4799
02:48:19,000 --> 02:48:20,920
we'd hoped to have this

4800
02:48:20,920 --> 02:48:23,030
um

4801
02:48:23,040 --> 02:48:24,600
guaranteed maximum price at the last

4802
02:48:24,600 --> 02:48:26,080
council meeting, but it needed just a

4803
02:48:26,080 --> 02:48:27,800
little bit more time.

4804
02:48:27,800 --> 02:48:33,760
Um in the end uh what happened is the when the bids were gathered, um

4805
02:48:33,760 --> 02:48:35,360
things came back just a

4806
02:48:35,360 --> 02:48:37,960
little over what the budget was that was

4807
02:48:37,960 --> 02:48:41,240
created um at an earlier

4808
02:48:41,240 --> 02:48:44,280
stage of the plans. And so,

4809
02:48:44,280 --> 02:48:47,040
it amounted to about 220,000.

4810
02:48:47,040 --> 02:48:50,080
Um so, the team put together a list of

4811
02:48:50,080 --> 02:48:52,560
items that could be considered that,

4812
02:48:52,560 --> 02:48:53,800
you know, a few thousand here, a few

4813
02:48:53,800 --> 02:48:55,280
thousand there.

4814
02:48:55,280 --> 02:48:57,280
Um when the mayor and I looked at these

4815
02:48:57,280 --> 02:48:59,760
items, um you know, some of the things

4816
02:48:59,760 --> 02:49:01,040
were like

4817
02:49:01,040 --> 02:49:03,480
leaving the old garage doors on one side

4818
02:49:03,480 --> 02:49:06,120
of the building. Um they're 30 years

4819
02:49:06,120 --> 02:49:08,120
old. They're going to need to be

4820
02:49:08,120 --> 02:49:11,960
replaced soon. It didn't to not do it

4821
02:49:11,960 --> 02:49:14,240
now with everything else that's going

4822
02:49:14,240 --> 02:49:15,160
on.

4823
02:49:15,160 --> 02:49:16,880
And so, there were things like that and

4824
02:49:16,880 --> 02:49:20,920
other small items. Uh some of it was

4825
02:49:20,920 --> 02:49:22,520
really not a savings because it was

4826
02:49:22,520 --> 02:49:25,040
taking it out of the general contract

4827
02:49:25,040 --> 02:49:28,240
and putting it as an owner uh

4828
02:49:28,240 --> 02:49:30,000
paid item,

4829
02:49:30,000 --> 02:49:31,880
which the cost to us really isn't any

4830
02:49:31,880 --> 02:49:33,577
different.

4831
02:49:33,577 --> 02:49:33,840
>> [cough]

4832
02:49:33,840 --> 02:49:35,160
>> So,

4833
02:49:35,160 --> 02:49:37,840
um in the end,

4834
02:49:37,840 --> 02:49:39,680
uh what we're recommending is that we

4835
02:49:39,680 --> 02:49:43,000
accept this guaranteed maximum price

4836
02:49:43,000 --> 02:49:45,320
of 5.12

4837
02:49:45,320 --> 02:49:48,760
million 327 dollars.

4838
02:49:48,760 --> 02:49:51,040
Um

4839
02:49:51,040 --> 02:49:54,400
Excuse me, I got a frog in my throat. Um

4840
02:49:54,400 --> 02:49:57,160
that puts the overall project cost at uh

4841
02:49:57,160 --> 02:49:59,040
6 million

4842
02:49:59,040 --> 02:50:01,680
50,000.

4843
02:50:01,680 --> 02:50:04,760
Um because not knowing where we'd be

4844
02:50:04,760 --> 02:50:05,560
in the [clears throat] end with this

4845
02:50:05,560 --> 02:50:08,320
guaranteed maximum price,

4846
02:50:08,320 --> 02:50:10,600
we didn't incorporate the donations that

4847
02:50:10,600 --> 02:50:15,830
we have either received or will receive

4848
02:50:15,840 --> 02:50:16,808
um

4849
02:50:16,808 --> 02:50:17,240
>> [clears throat]

4850
02:50:17,240 --> 02:50:20,280
>> into the funding scenario,

4851
02:50:20,280 --> 02:50:22,702
leaving that right till the end.

4852
02:50:22,702 --> 02:50:22,720
>> [clears throat]

4853
02:50:22,720 --> 02:50:25,520
>> So, in doing that,

4854
02:50:25,520 --> 02:50:26,800
uh

4855
02:50:26,800 --> 02:50:28,320
the way we've got this planned out, we

4856
02:50:28,320 --> 02:50:30,360
won't have to bond for any more than we

4857
02:50:30,360 --> 02:50:33,520
planned for, the 2 million.

4858
02:50:33,520 --> 02:50:35,120
Um

4859
02:50:35,120 --> 02:50:36,000
the [clears throat]

4860
02:50:36,000 --> 02:50:38,960
fiscal year 28 general fund went from

4861
02:50:38,960 --> 02:50:42,040
500,000 to 200,000.

4862
02:50:42,040 --> 02:50:44,560
And [snorts] we're getting the project

4863
02:50:44,560 --> 02:50:45,240
um

4864
02:50:45,240 --> 02:50:48,960
I think that the council wants. So,

4865
02:50:48,960 --> 02:50:50,600
um

4866
02:50:50,600 --> 02:50:53,720
these guys are ready to turn dirt out

4867
02:50:53,720 --> 02:50:54,680
here. I don't know if you saw the

4868
02:50:54,680 --> 02:50:56,840
construction trailer, but um

4869
02:50:56,840 --> 02:50:58,840
so, we need to approve this contract

4870
02:50:58,840 --> 02:51:01,800
amendment uh with SIR Construction. I've

4871
02:51:01,800 --> 02:51:06,200
also included um to detail out the 6.05

4872
02:51:06,200 --> 02:51:09,160
million um the sheet that's in the

4873
02:51:09,160 --> 02:51:11,920
packet that shows the soft costs as well

4874
02:51:11,920 --> 02:51:13,240
as the

4875
02:51:13,240 --> 02:51:16,280
um the part that's within uh SIR's

4876
02:51:16,280 --> 02:51:18,720
contract.

4877
02:51:18,720 --> 02:51:21,640
So, this is up uh to approve this

4878
02:51:21,640 --> 02:51:23,960
resolution so this project can finally

4879
02:51:23,960 --> 02:51:28,510
move forward.

4880
02:51:28,520 --> 02:51:31,000
» I move to approve resolution Can you go

4881
02:51:31,000 --> 02:51:32,200
back up?

4882
02:51:32,200 --> 02:51:32,640
>> I know.

4883
02:51:32,640 --> 02:51:34,200
>> It's okay, but she We've got a motion,

4884
02:51:34,200 --> 02:51:34,960
so we've got to

4885
02:51:34,960 --> 02:51:35,560
>> Move forward.

4886
02:51:35,560 --> 02:51:39,760
>> I move to approve resolution R2026-25

4887
02:51:39,760 --> 02:51:41,600
approving amendments

4888
02:51:41,600 --> 02:51:43,440
number one to the agreement between SIR

4889
02:51:43,440 --> 02:51:45,680
Construction and Alpine City

4890
02:51:45,680 --> 02:51:48,200
including the maximum and price.

4891
02:51:48,200 --> 02:51:49,160
>> Okay.

4892
02:51:49,160 --> 02:51:49,560
>> Just

4893
02:51:49,560 --> 02:51:51,240
>> I'm sorry, including the guaranteed

4894
02:51:51,240 --> 02:51:52,240
maximum price.

4895
02:51:52,240 --> 02:51:54,000
>> a motion. Is there a second?

4896
02:51:54,000 --> 02:51:54,840
>> I'll second.

4897
02:51:54,840 --> 02:51:56,160
>> It's been moved by Councilwoman

4898
02:51:56,160 --> 02:51:57,920
Hanneman, seconded by Councilwoman

4899
02:51:57,920 --> 02:52:00,560
Smuin. Are there any questions regarding

4900
02:52:00,560 --> 02:52:01,760
the motion itself?

4901
02:52:01,760 --> 02:52:04,240
>> Just discuss discussion on the motion.

4902
02:52:04,240 --> 02:52:05,760
And that is this [snorts] is what we are

4903
02:52:05,760 --> 02:52:08,680
doing. Uh we are

4904
02:52:08,680 --> 02:52:11,600
this Like I ache for Alpine.

4905
02:52:11,600 --> 02:52:13,720
Uh 20 This is you're approving I just

4906
02:52:13,720 --> 02:52:14,800
hope you know what you're approving. A

4907
02:52:14,800 --> 02:52:17,080
20-year bond that will not be 2 million,

4908
02:52:17,080 --> 02:52:19,800
it'll be over three 3.5.

4909
02:52:19,800 --> 02:52:22,080
Uh it's this this project keeps getting

4910
02:52:22,080 --> 02:52:24,120
more and more expensive. We already

4911
02:52:24,120 --> 02:52:26,000
raised property taxes before I was here

4912
02:52:26,000 --> 02:52:29,560
40% to fund this. Still wasn't enough.

4913
02:52:29,560 --> 02:52:30,320
Uh

4914
02:52:30,320 --> 02:52:32,640
these uh in in 2023

4915
02:52:32,640 --> 02:52:34,800
>> property tax was not to fund this. The

4916
02:52:34,800 --> 02:52:35,480
property tax

4917
02:52:35,480 --> 02:52:36,760
>> was pitched as.

4918
02:52:36,760 --> 02:52:37,920
For the fire wing.

4919
02:52:37,920 --> 02:52:39,360
>> Wage increase.

4920
02:52:39,360 --> 02:52:41,040
>> you go back and look at the minutes, you

4921
02:52:41,040 --> 02:52:44,120
will find it is to also renovate and

4922
02:52:44,120 --> 02:52:46,080
this If you read the minutes, it is also

4923
02:52:46,080 --> 02:52:47,880
to renovate the fire station.

4924
02:52:47,880 --> 02:52:49,920
>> bulk of it was for the salaries cuz it

4925
02:52:49,920 --> 02:52:51,000
came up so much higher.

4926
02:52:51,000 --> 02:52:52,400
>> also for the fire station.

4927
02:52:52,400 --> 02:52:54,480
>> have done the project back then, it

4928
02:52:54,480 --> 02:52:56,560
would have been half the cost.

4929
02:52:56,560 --> 02:52:57,440
>> I'm just saying.

4930
02:52:57,440 --> 02:52:59,520
>> We talked about the rate of inflation

4931
02:52:59,520 --> 02:53:01,120
this year. Same thing with our water

4932
02:53:01,120 --> 02:53:02,920
system. If we would have done the

4933
02:53:02,920 --> 02:53:06,080
projects that were suggested 4 years ago

4934
02:53:06,080 --> 02:53:07,600
when it was originally suggested that we

4935
02:53:07,600 --> 02:53:09,920
do it, it would have been more than half

4936
02:53:09,920 --> 02:53:11,440
less than half the cost that it's going

4937
02:53:11,440 --> 02:53:13,680
to cost us in today's dollars

4938
02:53:13,680 --> 02:53:15,680
because of the rate of inflation on

4939
02:53:15,680 --> 02:53:16,520
construction.

4940
02:53:16,520 --> 02:53:18,880
>> The last motion we made on this, I tried

4941
02:53:18,880 --> 02:53:21,760
to add a an amendment to lock in the

4942
02:53:21,760 --> 02:53:24,360
price at around, I think, 4.8 and then

4943
02:53:24,360 --> 02:53:26,760
it went up higher or it was at 5.8. I

4944
02:53:26,760 --> 02:53:28,880
can't remember. I tried to lock it in

4945
02:53:28,880 --> 02:53:30,400
and it was for this reason so that it

4946
02:53:30,400 --> 02:53:32,920
didn't keep jacking up. So, I would

4947
02:53:32,920 --> 02:53:36,240
offer amendment to lock this in so that

4948
02:53:36,240 --> 02:53:38,680
it doesn't keep going up. We right now

4949
02:53:38,680 --> 02:53:40,280
we are locked in with these guys. If we

4950
02:53:40,280 --> 02:53:42,520
make a change, this has been a lesson to

4951
02:53:42,520 --> 02:53:45,400
me watching how this has gone. We made a

4952
02:53:45,400 --> 02:53:46,960
small change and then they came back

4953
02:53:46,960 --> 02:53:48,640
with any amount of money that they

4954
02:53:48,640 --> 02:53:50,480
wanted to charge for that change. I

4955
02:53:50,480 --> 02:53:51,760
don't know anyone that sets up a

4956
02:53:51,760 --> 02:53:54,200
contract and doesn't put room for

4957
02:53:54,200 --> 02:53:55,720
changes in there where they come back

4958
02:53:55,720 --> 02:53:56,640
for a

4959
02:53:56,640 --> 02:54:00,040
little minor change and charge 22 grand.

4960
02:54:00,040 --> 02:54:01,680
We're now locked into this where they

4961
02:54:01,680 --> 02:54:03,480
can just up the amount at any point. We

4962
02:54:03,480 --> 02:54:05,040
have to say yes.

4963
02:54:05,040 --> 02:54:11,360
It's This is a big lesson. Uh our kids' will be paying for this. Um yeah, I

4964
02:54:11,360 --> 02:54:12,400
just

4965
02:54:12,400 --> 02:54:13,800
I This is why I've said no to this from

4966
02:54:13,800 --> 02:54:15,400
the beginning and also residents have

4967
02:54:15,400 --> 02:54:18,950
never asked for this.

4968
02:54:18,960 --> 02:54:20,880
» Okay, if not, let's proceed with the

4969
02:54:20,880 --> 02:54:22,680
roll call vote.

4970
02:54:22,680 --> 02:54:24,440
>> Andrew Young, no.

4971
02:54:24,440 --> 02:54:25,360
Brent Rumler, yes.

4972
02:54:25,360 --> 02:54:26,840
>> Jessica Smeaton, yes.

4973
02:54:26,840 --> 02:54:28,000
>> Sarah Blackwelder, yes.

4974
02:54:28,000 --> 02:54:29,280
>> Christiana Minyan yes.

4975
02:54:29,280 --> 02:54:31,160
>> Okay, resolution passes. Now for the

4976
02:54:31,160 --> 02:54:33,280
item that everybody is here for, the

4977
02:54:33,280 --> 02:54:35,280
site plan approval for long range

4978
02:54:35,280 --> 02:54:37,080
shooters site plan.

4979
02:54:37,080 --> 02:54:41,240
So, as this is not a public hearing,

4980
02:54:41,240 --> 02:54:42,320
um

4981
02:54:42,320 --> 02:54:44,280
we are not going to allow public

4982
02:54:44,280 --> 02:54:45,720
comment.

4983
02:54:45,720 --> 02:54:49,400
But, I appreciate everyone writing in

4984
02:54:49,400 --> 02:54:52,520
with their emails as I stated before

4985
02:54:52,520 --> 02:54:55,760
that um I think a lot of um the concerns

4986
02:54:55,760 --> 02:54:58,600
were pretty similar, but very well um

4987
02:54:58,600 --> 02:55:00,440
spoken and I appreciate everyone's

4988
02:55:00,440 --> 02:55:03,160
efforts. They did not fall on deaf ears.

4989
02:55:03,160 --> 02:55:04,320
I'm

4990
02:55:04,320 --> 02:55:06,040
I know I spoke with several of you about

4991
02:55:06,040 --> 02:55:08,720
it and seems like most of you have read

4992
02:55:08,720 --> 02:55:10,840
and um are taking all of that into

4993
02:55:10,840 --> 02:55:13,000
consideration. So, I'm going to go ahead

4994
02:55:13,000 --> 02:55:17,120
and let staff do their report on this um

4995
02:55:17,120 --> 02:55:19,600
site plan and then we'll move forward.

4996
02:55:19,600 --> 02:55:21,680
>> You want a motion to extend past 9:00

4997
02:55:21,680 --> 02:55:23,400
before staff begins.

4998
02:55:23,400 --> 02:55:26,360
>> Um sure.

4999
02:55:26,360 --> 02:55:28,400
>> Um I move to extend the city council

5000
02:55:28,400 --> 02:55:29,800
meeting

5001
02:55:29,800 --> 02:55:31,640
to um

5002
02:55:31,640 --> 02:55:34,240
complete the business of the city.

5003
02:55:34,240 --> 02:55:35,200
>> Second.

5004
02:55:35,200 --> 02:55:37,200
>> Okay, it's moved by Councilwoman Smewin,

5005
02:55:37,200 --> 02:55:39,240
seconded by um Councilman Young to

5006
02:55:39,240 --> 02:55:40,480
extend

5007
02:55:40,480 --> 02:55:43,560
our normal meeting time beyond 9:00 p.m.

5008
02:55:43,560 --> 02:55:45,160
>> I was studying Robert's Rules, we can do

5009
02:55:45,160 --> 02:55:46,880
this by consent. We have to do roll call

5010
02:55:46,880 --> 02:55:47,040
though.

5011
02:55:47,040 --> 02:55:48,040
>> All in favor?

5012
02:55:48,040 --> 02:55:48,880
>> I.

5013
02:55:48,880 --> 02:55:50,800
>> Okay. So, for those of you guys that are

5014
02:55:50,800 --> 02:55:53,280
unaware, um before this year most of our

5015
02:55:53,280 --> 02:55:56,480
meetings ended at 9:00 or before, but

5016
02:55:56,480 --> 02:56:02,200
since this year they've been going very, long and so by our um

5017
02:56:02,200 --> 02:56:04,520
own rules to kind of limit discussion

5018
02:56:04,520 --> 02:56:07,240
and um being more effective and

5019
02:56:07,240 --> 02:56:10,160
efficient and also as a cost of um

5020
02:56:10,160 --> 02:56:12,840
saving tool is to limit the time of our

5021
02:56:12,840 --> 02:56:14,560
meetings and the only way you can extend

5022
02:56:14,560 --> 02:56:17,120
it is if you have a super majority vote

5023
02:56:17,120 --> 02:56:19,840
of city council. So, is there Actually,

5024
02:56:19,840 --> 02:56:21,400
I didn't I thought everyone said yes,

5025
02:56:21,400 --> 02:56:23,760
but I didn't ask. Anyone opposed?

5026
02:56:23,760 --> 02:56:25,360
>> I was going to ask a question. Is there

5027
02:56:25,360 --> 02:56:27,320
a way to amend the motion to say till

5028
02:56:27,320 --> 02:56:29,680
10:00 so we just have a definitive cut

5029
02:56:29,680 --> 02:56:30,680
off?

5030
02:56:30,680 --> 02:56:32,000
>> Well, I think we've already voted.

5031
02:56:32,000 --> 02:56:34,747
>> Too late. So So, I voted nay.

5032
02:56:34,747 --> 02:56:35,600
>> [laughter]

5033
02:56:35,600 --> 02:56:38,200
>> Okay, motion passes cuz that was a super

5034
02:56:38,200 --> 02:56:40,000
majority. Um

5035
02:56:40,000 --> 02:56:42,720
So, that's what's going on. Um

5036
02:56:42,720 --> 02:56:45,200
So, I'm sorry. Go ahead with um Caden,

5037
02:56:45,200 --> 02:56:46,280
are you doing this or is Shane doing

5038
02:56:46,280 --> 02:56:46,680
this?

5039
02:56:46,680 --> 02:56:47,520
>> I'm doing this, yeah.

5040
02:56:47,520 --> 02:56:49,440
>> Okay, thank you.

5041
02:56:49,440 --> 02:56:53,160
>> All right. Uh so,

5042
02:56:53,160 --> 02:56:56,320
uh happy to present this item today. Um

5043
02:56:56,320 --> 02:56:57,880
this did go to the planning commission

5044
02:56:57,880 --> 02:56:59,400
last week and received a recommendation

5045
02:56:59,400 --> 02:57:01,600
for approval to come to before the the

5046
02:57:01,600 --> 02:57:03,720
council today.

5047
02:57:03,720 --> 02:57:06,320
So, this is a commercial site plan for a

5048
02:57:06,320 --> 02:57:07,720
business called the Long Range Shooters

5049
02:57:07,720 --> 02:57:09,320
of Utah. It's proposed for the parcel

5050
02:57:09,320 --> 02:57:10,680
number

5051
02:57:10,680 --> 02:57:13,840
uh 020110045, which

5052
02:57:13,840 --> 02:57:16,760
is off of 200 North and Main Street.

5053
02:57:16,760 --> 02:57:19,800
Uh it consists of a space for a small

5054
02:57:19,800 --> 02:57:22,720
retail gun shop, a warehouse, space for

5055
02:57:22,720 --> 02:57:25,640
an office, and space uh to film content

5056
02:57:25,640 --> 02:57:27,120
in for the shop. And it will also

5057
02:57:27,120 --> 02:57:28,640
include a one-bedroom apartment above

5058
02:57:28,640 --> 02:57:30,423
the office area.

5059
02:57:30,423 --> 02:57:31,120
>> [snorts]

5060
02:57:31,120 --> 02:57:32,800
>> So, the applicant has provided a site

5061
02:57:32,800 --> 02:57:34,920
plan that meets the requirements of the

5062
02:57:34,920 --> 02:57:36,280
business commercial zone, which this

5063
02:57:36,280 --> 02:57:38,320
project is in, and the Gateway Historic

5064
02:57:38,320 --> 02:57:39,640
Zone.

5065
02:57:39,640 --> 02:57:41,040
Uh last week in the planning commission

5066
02:57:41,040 --> 02:57:42,520
meeting, there was discussion about the

5067
02:57:42,520 --> 02:57:47,920
exterior materials, in particular the ACM panels, which are proposed for

5068
02:57:47,920 --> 02:57:50,200
this project, and

5069
02:57:50,200 --> 02:57:52,240
whether they meet the Historic Gateway

5070
02:57:52,240 --> 02:57:54,003
Design Guidelines.

5071
02:57:54,003 --> 02:57:54,960
>> [clears throat]

5072
02:57:54,960 --> 02:57:57,440
>> In the end, there was a motion by the

5073
02:57:57,440 --> 02:57:59,840
planning commission that the ACM panels

5074
02:57:59,840 --> 02:58:01,200
could mimic the primary exterior

5075
02:58:01,200 --> 02:58:02,720
materials and therefore meet the

5076
02:58:02,720 --> 02:58:03,920
guidelines.

5077
02:58:03,920 --> 02:58:05,720
And so, they were approved.

5078
02:58:05,720 --> 02:58:07,040
And that's just an image of that

5079
02:58:07,040 --> 02:58:09,480
requirement.

5080
02:58:09,480 --> 02:58:10,520
Um I know there's been a lot of

5081
02:58:10,520 --> 02:58:12,800
discussion about parking issues for this

5082
02:58:12,800 --> 02:58:14,200
project.

5083
02:58:14,200 --> 02:58:16,160
Um it was determined that the parking

5084
02:58:16,160 --> 02:58:17,640
requirements

5085
02:58:17,640 --> 02:58:20,040
would be 3.5 stalls per 1,000 square

5086
02:58:20,040 --> 02:58:21,160
feet

5087
02:58:21,160 --> 02:58:23,280
uh of the retail area

5088
02:58:23,280 --> 02:58:26,160
including the office and space for uh

5089
02:58:26,160 --> 02:58:28,080
content creation.

5090
02:58:28,080 --> 02:58:30,400
And with the project being about 1,600

5091
02:58:30,400 --> 02:58:32,840
square feet in that those areas,

5092
02:58:32,840 --> 02:58:35,320
it was calculated out to be a little

5093
02:58:35,320 --> 02:58:37,280
under six stalls.

5094
02:58:37,280 --> 02:58:39,400
And so the applicant has provided six

5095
02:58:39,400 --> 02:58:41,920
stalls for the project.

5096
02:58:41,920 --> 02:58:44,120
Uh in fact, seven uh

5097
02:58:44,120 --> 02:58:46,440
to accommodate also the employee that

5098
02:58:46,440 --> 02:58:49,240
will be working on site.

5099
02:58:49,240 --> 02:58:51,960
Um there was Again, regarding the

5100
02:58:51,960 --> 02:58:53,000
parking, there's been a lot of

5101
02:58:53,000 --> 02:58:58,080
discussion about uh backing onto 200

5102
02:58:58,080 --> 02:59:00,240
south or north? I can't North, thank

5103
02:59:00,240 --> 02:59:01,800
you, everybody. I've only been here 3

5104
02:59:01,800 --> 02:59:06,280
months. Um so backing onto the road

5105
02:59:06,280 --> 02:59:08,920
and you know, this was something that we

5106
02:59:08,920 --> 02:59:10,600
definitely thought a lot about and I

5107
02:59:10,600 --> 02:59:12,760
brought up to our city engineer.

5108
02:59:12,760 --> 02:59:16,840
Um our specific code says that a two-way

5109
02:59:16,840 --> 02:59:20,120
aisle requires 24 feet of room.

5110
02:59:20,120 --> 02:59:21,880
Uh this is not a two-way aisle, it's a

5111
02:59:21,880 --> 02:59:23,440
one-way aisle.

5112
02:59:23,440 --> 02:59:25,960
And so there is no code reference for

5113
02:59:25,960 --> 02:59:27,960
that in our city code no nor in the Utah

5114
02:59:27,960 --> 02:59:29,960
state code for how much that distance

5115
02:59:29,960 --> 02:59:31,240
needs to be

5116
02:59:31,240 --> 02:59:32,920
for a one-way aisle.

5117
02:59:32,920 --> 02:59:35,920
And so with the applicant providing over

5118
02:59:35,920 --> 02:59:39,320
16 feet uh and even over 18 feet before

5119
02:59:39,320 --> 02:59:41,200
the sidewalk, it was determined by staff

5120
02:59:41,200 --> 02:59:45,430
that the space was sufficient.

5121
02:59:45,440 --> 02:59:48,360
That's all I'll say on that right now.

5122
02:59:48,360 --> 02:59:49,800
Um there was also concern from the

5123
02:59:49,800 --> 02:59:51,520
planning commission that because there

5124
02:59:51,520 --> 02:59:52,840
are

5125
02:59:52,840 --> 02:59:55,080
from what I understand the school nearby

5126
02:59:55,080 --> 02:59:55,760
um

5127
02:59:55,760 --> 02:59:58,240
or just residences in general, if

5128
02:59:58,240 --> 02:59:59,840
there's any state or federal law that

5129
02:59:59,840 --> 03:00:01,880
impedes firearm sales from being in that

5130
03:00:01,880 --> 03:00:03,280
location.

5131
03:00:03,280 --> 03:00:06,600
There was investigation from staff and

5132
03:00:06,600 --> 03:00:08,320
uh looking into both state and federal

5133
03:00:08,320 --> 03:00:10,320
laws, there would be nothing that would

5134
03:00:10,320 --> 03:00:12,840
prohibit the location of the site.

5135
03:00:12,840 --> 03:00:14,520
Um

5136
03:00:14,520 --> 03:00:18,520
a municipal ordinance or the local

5137
03:00:18,520 --> 03:00:21,520
municipality is able to adopt ordinances

5138
03:00:21,520 --> 03:00:23,960
for where retail

5139
03:00:23,960 --> 03:00:26,160
uses are allowed in the city, but they

5140
03:00:26,160 --> 03:00:28,600
cannot discriminate against gun stores

5141
03:00:28,600 --> 03:00:30,080
themselves.

5142
03:00:30,080 --> 03:00:33,000
If so, it would be illegal. And so, they

5143
03:00:33,000 --> 03:00:34,640
would have to apply it to the entire

5144
03:00:34,640 --> 03:00:37,440
ordinance to be able to determine

5145
03:00:37,440 --> 03:00:40,080
distances from schools, churches, things

5146
03:00:40,080 --> 03:00:43,480
like that for retail uses in general. Is

5147
03:00:43,480 --> 03:00:45,160
from what I understand, and maybe Mr.

5148
03:00:45,160 --> 03:00:47,580
Doxey can correct me on that.

5149
03:00:47,580 --> 03:00:48,520
>> [clears throat]

5150
03:00:48,520 --> 03:00:51,440
>> Um so, overall, it was determined that

5151
03:00:51,440 --> 03:00:54,960
the location was was not impeded by any

5152
03:00:54,960 --> 03:00:58,560
ordinance for distance of a gun store to

5153
03:00:58,560 --> 03:01:01,480
uses like that. Um there are laws in

5154
03:01:01,480 --> 03:01:03,920
state and federal law about, you know,

5155
03:01:03,920 --> 03:01:07,120
wielding a a firearm on premises of like

5156
03:01:07,120 --> 03:01:09,520
a school, for example, but nothing about

5157
03:01:09,520 --> 03:01:14,670
distance uh to the actual retail store.

5158
03:01:14,680 --> 03:01:17,960
Um so, the one-bedroom apartment, the

5159
03:01:17,960 --> 03:01:19,440
applicant is aware and knows that that

5160
03:01:19,440 --> 03:01:21,600
is supposed to be owner-occupied only,

5161
03:01:21,600 --> 03:01:26,110
and they agreed to that.

5162
03:01:26,120 --> 03:01:27,280
This is the motion from Planning

5163
03:01:27,280 --> 03:01:28,360
Commission that I'm sure you were able

5164
03:01:28,360 --> 03:01:30,360
to look at. As you can see in there,

5165
03:01:30,360 --> 03:01:33,560
they decided that the ACM panels mimic

5166
03:01:33,560 --> 03:01:35,160
could mimic the treatment of a wood

5167
03:01:35,160 --> 03:01:36,960
cladding and therefore meet the

5168
03:01:36,960 --> 03:01:39,550
guidelines.

5169
03:01:39,560 --> 03:01:41,520
So, just I'll read the staff

5170
03:01:41,520 --> 03:01:43,320
recommendation. We would recommend that

5171
03:01:43,320 --> 03:01:45,040
the City Council

5172
03:01:45,040 --> 03:01:47,680
approve the proposed Long Range Shooters

5173
03:01:47,680 --> 03:01:49,800
of Utah commercial site plan

5174
03:01:49,800 --> 03:01:52,800
subject to the following conditions.

5175
03:01:52,800 --> 03:01:55,720
Um again, probably one of the biggest

5176
03:01:55,720 --> 03:01:57,640
issues or concerns that was brought up

5177
03:01:57,640 --> 03:01:59,560
is the the parking and the space to get

5178
03:01:59,560 --> 03:02:02,000
out without backing onto 200

5179
03:02:02,000 --> 03:02:04,080
North. And so,

5180
03:02:04,080 --> 03:02:04,680
um

5181
03:02:04,680 --> 03:02:06,360
we would recommend an installation of an

5182
03:02:06,360 --> 03:02:08,560
elevated curb along the front property

5183
03:02:08,560 --> 03:02:11,240
line in front of the parking area.

5184
03:02:11,240 --> 03:02:14,040
Um except for where the 24-ft

5185
03:02:14,040 --> 03:02:16,800
ingress and egress opening would be, and

5186
03:02:16,800 --> 03:02:18,160
that would prevent people from backing

5187
03:02:18,160 --> 03:02:20,080
out onto the street.

5188
03:02:20,080 --> 03:02:22,360
And we would also recommend that the

5189
03:02:22,360 --> 03:02:24,280
landscape plan be

5190
03:02:24,280 --> 03:02:27,920
uh revised to exclude any trees or any

5191
03:02:27,920 --> 03:02:29,520
plant that would be over 3 ft in height

5192
03:02:29,520 --> 03:02:31,840
within the sight triangle.

5193
03:02:31,840 --> 03:02:34,120
And I also sent an email to the council

5194
03:02:34,120 --> 03:02:36,240
earlier today about other another

5195
03:02:36,240 --> 03:02:38,440
potential recommendation of including

5196
03:02:38,440 --> 03:02:40,160
some landscaping in the park strip area

5197
03:02:40,160 --> 03:02:42,520
just to provide an additional buffer

5198
03:02:42,520 --> 03:02:45,481
uh for that parking area.

5199
03:02:45,481 --> 03:02:45,520
>> [snorts]

5200
03:02:45,520 --> 03:02:47,960
>> And to ensure that they meet the the 20%

5201
03:02:47,960 --> 03:02:49,920
requirement for for landscaping, which I

5202
03:02:49,920 --> 03:02:52,520
believe they would.

5203
03:02:52,520 --> 03:02:53,360
So that would be the staff

5204
03:02:53,360 --> 03:02:55,961
recommendation.

5205
03:02:55,961 --> 03:02:56,880
>> [cough and clears throat]

5206
03:02:56,880 --> 03:02:59,800
>> Um you know, we've received as the mayor

5207
03:02:59,800 --> 03:03:01,280
uh pointed out, there's been several

5208
03:03:01,280 --> 03:03:03,960
emails both for and

5209
03:03:03,960 --> 03:03:06,080
against this proposal.

5210
03:03:06,080 --> 03:03:07,520
Um so I think there's there's valid

5211
03:03:07,520 --> 03:03:10,240
points made in each of them. Um but I

5212
03:03:10,240 --> 03:03:12,360
think a lot There's a lot of discussion

5213
03:03:12,360 --> 03:03:13,840
in comments we received from residents

5214
03:03:13,840 --> 03:03:16,440
that this doesn't fit with the

5215
03:03:16,440 --> 03:03:19,000
residential character of the area around

5216
03:03:19,000 --> 03:03:20,280
it.

5217
03:03:20,280 --> 03:03:22,880
Um while that might be true to some

5218
03:03:22,880 --> 03:03:24,920
degree, I would I would say that there

5219
03:03:24,920 --> 03:03:27,040
it's clear for the city and the staff

5220
03:03:27,040 --> 03:03:29,400
that this is a business commercial zone,

5221
03:03:29,400 --> 03:03:31,000
and the properties immediately adjacent

5222
03:03:31,000 --> 03:03:32,800
to this property are also in the

5223
03:03:32,800 --> 03:03:34,600
business commercial zone.

5224
03:03:34,600 --> 03:03:36,120
And so this project meets the

5225
03:03:36,120 --> 03:03:37,560
requirements of the business commercial

5226
03:03:37,560 --> 03:03:39,880
zone for height setbacks and all those

5227
03:03:39,880 --> 03:03:41,520
requirements.

5228
03:03:41,520 --> 03:03:42,880
So [snorts]

5229
03:03:42,880 --> 03:03:44,160
um

5230
03:03:44,160 --> 03:03:46,200
and Mr. Doxey again can correct me if

5231
03:03:46,200 --> 03:03:48,480
I'm wrong on this. Um council member

5232
03:03:48,480 --> 03:03:50,320
Rumbler sent me a an email as well

5233
03:03:50,320 --> 03:03:52,280
earlier about if this is an

5234
03:03:52,280 --> 03:03:55,000
administrative or legislative decision.

5235
03:03:55,000 --> 03:03:57,240
Um and I would say that yes, this is

5236
03:03:57,240 --> 03:03:59,680
definitely an administrative decision.

5237
03:03:59,680 --> 03:04:02,000
It's based on current ordinances and if

5238
03:04:02,000 --> 03:04:09,590
the project meets those ordinances.

5239
03:04:09,600 --> 03:04:10,880
All right, and so just to wrap up my

5240
03:04:10,880 --> 03:04:12,960
part and then I'll throw it back to

5241
03:04:12,960 --> 03:04:15,600
the actual decision-makers on this.

5242
03:04:15,600 --> 03:04:18,880
Uh this was a rendering of the project

5243
03:04:18,880 --> 03:04:20,920
that the Planning Commission saw and

5244
03:04:20,920 --> 03:04:23,732
ultimately approved.

5245
03:04:23,732 --> 03:04:24,880
>> [clears throat]

5246
03:04:24,880 --> 03:04:27,880
>> So I'll show that.

5247
03:04:27,880 --> 03:04:29,080
And then let me go to the site plan

5248
03:04:29,080 --> 03:04:37,830
here.

5249
03:04:37,840 --> 03:04:39,440
Here's the site plan. You can see here

5250
03:04:39,440 --> 03:04:43,200
the required ADA stall is is there.

5251
03:04:43,200 --> 03:04:46,560
Um the other parking stalls, there's

5252
03:04:46,560 --> 03:04:48,800
room adequate room for landscaping,

5253
03:04:48,800 --> 03:04:50,320
which they've also submitted a landscape

5254
03:04:50,320 --> 03:04:53,120
plan to show their landscaping.

5255
03:04:53,120 --> 03:04:55,760
10-ft PUE, which the staff required

5256
03:04:55,760 --> 03:04:56,400
uh

5257
03:04:56,400 --> 03:04:59,800
as as a condition of approval as well,

5258
03:04:59,800 --> 03:05:01,680
uh and they added that in there for the

5259
03:05:01,680 --> 03:05:03,320
front property line.

5260
03:05:03,320 --> 03:05:04,600
And you can see the distances, as I

5261
03:05:04,600 --> 03:05:08,360
mentioned earlier, of 16 over 16 ft for

5262
03:05:08,360 --> 03:05:11,400
the uh space to back up

5263
03:05:11,400 --> 03:05:13,880
before leaving the property and going

5264
03:05:13,880 --> 03:05:16,160
into the city right-of-way.

5265
03:05:16,160 --> 03:05:20,360
Um and with the curb and the landscaping

5266
03:05:20,360 --> 03:05:22,000
that staff has recommended, we believe

5267
03:05:22,000 --> 03:05:23,960
that is sufficient space to back up and

5268
03:05:23,960 --> 03:05:32,950
then and go onto 200 North.

5269
03:05:32,960 --> 03:05:34,160
And the last thing I'll just show is the

5270
03:05:34,160 --> 03:05:36,800
elevation drawings, um just to confirm

5271
03:05:36,800 --> 03:05:44,310
those materials.

5272
03:05:44,320 --> 03:05:45,800
So you can see here this is a this is a

5273
03:05:45,800 --> 03:05:48,000
brick uh a brick

5274
03:05:48,000 --> 03:05:50,160
uh material here.

5275
03:05:50,160 --> 03:05:51,920
The panels,

5276
03:05:51,920 --> 03:05:56,430
uh wood soffit, metal fascia,

5277
03:05:56,440 --> 03:06:03,950
then stucco on this elevation here.

5278
03:06:03,960 --> 03:06:05,400
Again, a repeat of those other two,

5279
03:06:05,400 --> 03:06:11,270
brick and ACM.

5280
03:06:11,280 --> 03:06:15,080
And I believe this to be stucco as well.

5281
03:06:15,080 --> 03:06:16,440
Yes, it matches this one. So, yes,

5282
03:06:16,440 --> 03:06:18,120
stucco as well.

5283
03:06:18,120 --> 03:06:19,720
Uh but one last comment I'll make, too.

5284
03:06:19,720 --> 03:06:21,960
There was some concern about the the

5285
03:06:21,960 --> 03:06:24,200
stairway being too close to the property

5286
03:06:24,200 --> 03:06:25,680
line and not being set back. From what

5287
03:06:25,680 --> 03:06:27,560
I've been told by the applicant,

5288
03:06:27,560 --> 03:06:30,720
that is a cantilevered stairway

5289
03:06:30,720 --> 03:06:32,680
and therefore meets our city ordinance

5290
03:06:32,680 --> 03:06:35,080
of the 10 ft required.

5291
03:06:35,080 --> 03:06:37,280
>> Is the balcony also cantilevered?

5292
03:06:37,280 --> 03:06:41,790
>> From what I understand, yes. Yeah.

5293
03:06:41,800 --> 03:06:42,760
All right. And I think that will be it

5294
03:06:42,760 --> 03:06:44,600
for me. I'm definitely ready to answer

5295
03:06:44,600 --> 03:06:46,840
any questions if you have any.

5296
03:06:46,840 --> 03:06:48,360
>> Okay.

5297
03:06:48,360 --> 03:06:49,560
Andrew, do you have any questions for

5298
03:06:49,560 --> 03:06:50,280
Cayden?

5299
03:06:50,280 --> 03:06:51,760
>> Uh are we doing like questions or you

5300
03:06:51,760 --> 03:06:53,760
want us to do our turn, each one?

5301
03:06:53,760 --> 03:06:54,680
Or both?

5302
03:06:54,680 --> 03:06:55,840
>> Yeah, this is it.

5303
03:06:55,840 --> 03:06:57,920
>> Okay. Cayden, I just so I understand, is

5304
03:06:57,920 --> 03:06:59,840
this coming to us cuz you're saying it's

5305
03:06:59,840 --> 03:07:01,840
administrative and

5306
03:07:01,840 --> 03:07:03,440
Mr. Doxey, this is administrative.

5307
03:07:03,440 --> 03:07:04,840
Typically, we don't get administrative

5308
03:07:04,840 --> 03:07:07,080
things. Is this coming to us because

5309
03:07:07,080 --> 03:07:10,240
there is gray area on the one

5310
03:07:10,240 --> 03:07:11,800
Like why is this coming to us? Cuz

5311
03:07:11,800 --> 03:07:13,360
typically, these don't come to us.

5312
03:07:13,360 --> 03:07:15,560
They're just checked off a box by

5313
03:07:15,560 --> 03:07:18,240
planning commission on if they meet code

5314
03:07:18,240 --> 03:07:19,640
and then we have no say. I love that we

5315
03:07:19,640 --> 03:07:22,240
have say. But is that is it is it just

5316
03:07:22,240 --> 03:07:23,320
because of that one reason or there are

5317
03:07:23,320 --> 03:07:25,320
other factors that that are bringing

5318
03:07:25,320 --> 03:07:26,160
this to us?

5319
03:07:26,160 --> 03:07:27,400
>> Yeah, it's actually just it's in the

5320
03:07:27,400 --> 03:07:28,960
city ordinance that this has to

5321
03:07:28,960 --> 03:07:30,200
commercial site plan has to be

5322
03:07:30,200 --> 03:07:32,360
recommended by the planning commission

5323
03:07:32,360 --> 03:07:33,720
and approved by the city council. You

5324
03:07:33,720 --> 03:07:35,080
guys are the land use authority.

5325
03:07:35,080 --> 03:07:37,200
>> Okay. Cool. Thank you.

5326
03:07:37,200 --> 03:07:39,040
Okay. Um

5327
03:07:39,040 --> 03:07:41,400
a question for some folks here. I know

5328
03:07:41,400 --> 03:07:43,280
they've been working on it together and

5329
03:07:43,280 --> 03:07:47,040
I've been really impressed and the owner

5330
03:07:47,040 --> 03:07:49,040
just do we know has there been a

5331
03:07:49,040 --> 03:07:50,760
compromise between between

5332
03:07:50,760 --> 03:07:53,720
and the uh owner of this building on

5333
03:07:53,720 --> 03:07:54,960
something that both parties feel

5334
03:07:54,960 --> 03:07:56,560
comfortable with

5335
03:07:56,560 --> 03:07:59,840
in the last couple hours today, or no?

5336
03:07:59,840 --> 03:08:01,480
okay, I'm sorry.

5337
03:08:01,480 --> 03:08:03,200
Um I'd hoped.

5338
03:08:03,200 --> 03:08:06,510
Okay, um

5339
03:08:06,520 --> 03:08:08,600
They Okay, so a couple things. This does

5340
03:08:08,600 --> 03:08:11,000
not feel like the business commercial

5341
03:08:11,000 --> 03:08:12,920
zone where this is. I actually think

5342
03:08:12,920 --> 03:08:15,640
this is an error on our

5343
03:08:15,640 --> 03:08:18,360
council or the previous years for us to

5344
03:08:18,360 --> 03:08:21,120
have drawn the

5345
03:08:21,120 --> 03:08:23,360
business commercial zoning how we did.

5346
03:08:23,360 --> 03:08:25,440
If you walk these blocks, if you know

5347
03:08:25,440 --> 03:08:27,280
these families, if you are in their

5348
03:08:27,280 --> 03:08:28,640
homes,

5349
03:08:28,640 --> 03:08:30,360
it is not business commercial. I think

5350
03:08:30,360 --> 03:08:33,240
this is why we're having such a surprise

5351
03:08:33,240 --> 03:08:36,200
from residents asking what is going on

5352
03:08:36,200 --> 03:08:37,960
in the middle of our neighborhood. This

5353
03:08:37,960 --> 03:08:40,040
has been a wake-up call to me to look at

5354
03:08:40,040 --> 03:08:41,480
redrawing our business commercial

5355
03:08:41,480 --> 03:08:42,800
zoning.

5356
03:08:42,800 --> 03:08:44,760
Uh so that's the first. It does not feel

5357
03:08:44,760 --> 03:08:47,120
I know the I know the law says that it's

5358
03:08:47,120 --> 03:08:48,560
business commercial. I know it's been

5359
03:08:48,560 --> 03:08:50,240
zoned that way.

5360
03:08:50,240 --> 03:08:52,720
But in

5361
03:08:52,720 --> 03:08:54,200
it's the letter of the law, in the

5362
03:08:54,200 --> 03:08:55,880
spirit of the law, it is not commercial

5363
03:08:55,880 --> 03:08:57,960
over there, in my opinion. And I grew up

5364
03:08:57,960 --> 03:09:00,120
here, from 5 years old to 2 years old to

5365
03:09:00,120 --> 03:09:02,440
1 year old to 10 years old walking that

5366
03:09:02,440 --> 03:09:04,760
200 north. And it was as dangerous then

5367
03:09:04,760 --> 03:09:07,040
as it is now, and we've got to fix it.

5368
03:09:07,040 --> 03:09:10,960
Um so that is why I think we're having a

5369
03:09:10,960 --> 03:09:12,200
big

5370
03:09:12,200 --> 03:09:15,320
uh surprise by residents there. I also

5371
03:09:15,320 --> 03:09:17,840
think, Mayor, our meeting structure has

5372
03:09:17,840 --> 03:09:19,880
a big hole in it where we have all these

5373
03:09:19,880 --> 03:09:21,400
people here and they can't speak on the

5374
03:09:21,400 --> 03:09:23,960
day of. So I just would

5375
03:09:23,960 --> 03:09:25,600
pose that we allow them to speak in the

5376
03:09:25,600 --> 03:09:27,040
future when the issues there. They don't

5377
03:09:27,040 --> 03:09:28,520
know that they have to come 2 weeks

5378
03:09:28,520 --> 03:09:31,000
early and give a comment to a planning

5379
03:09:31,000 --> 03:09:33,360
commission, then show up to a new group

5380
03:09:33,360 --> 03:09:35,440
of people who they don't even know, or

5381
03:09:35,440 --> 03:09:36,560
it's a different people making a

5382
03:09:36,560 --> 03:09:37,640
decision. I just think it's weird,

5383
03:09:37,640 --> 03:09:39,280
whoever structured it that way. They

5384
03:09:39,280 --> 03:09:40,840
should just talk, we should hear them,

5385
03:09:40,840 --> 03:09:42,880
we should like solve it. Anyways, that's

5386
03:09:42,880 --> 03:09:43,880
just my opinion on the meeting

5387
03:09:43,880 --> 03:09:45,640
structure. Hopefully that I get fixed in

5388
03:09:45,640 --> 03:09:46,720
the future.

5389
03:09:46,720 --> 03:09:48,360
>> what you're saying, but I do feel like

5390
03:09:48,360 --> 03:09:52,160
it's just as effective reading all of um

5391
03:09:52,160 --> 03:09:54,720
the emails and it's done much more

5392
03:09:54,720 --> 03:09:56,640
efficiently and timely.

5393
03:09:56,640 --> 03:09:58,360
Um you know, if we had every single

5394
03:09:58,360 --> 03:10:00,280
comment here, you multiply everybody by

5395
03:10:00,280 --> 03:10:01,600
3 minutes

5396
03:10:01,600 --> 03:10:03,600
and it will extend it longer, but I felt

5397
03:10:03,600 --> 03:10:05,160
like, you know, I was able to read

5398
03:10:05,160 --> 03:10:06,360
through all those emails.

5399
03:10:06,360 --> 03:10:06,920
>> No, I read them.

5400
03:10:06,920 --> 03:10:08,120
>> I understand all of those.

5401
03:10:08,120 --> 03:10:08,520
>> Right.

5402
03:10:08,520 --> 03:10:10,160
>> I don't feel like and it's no

5403
03:10:10,160 --> 03:10:12,080
disrespect. I appreciate you guys being

5404
03:10:12,080 --> 03:10:13,560
>> a jab either. It was just maybe we can

5405
03:10:13,560 --> 03:10:15,200
improve the meetings.

5406
03:10:15,200 --> 03:10:17,840
>> Um you know, it's

5407
03:10:17,840 --> 03:10:18,680
I'm

5408
03:10:18,680 --> 03:10:19,800
>> I know it's the way it's done. Other

5409
03:10:19,800 --> 03:10:20,520
cities do it.

5410
03:10:20,520 --> 03:10:21,760
>> the way it's done, but it's just the way

5411
03:10:21,760 --> 03:10:23,920
that it's done efficiently. I feel like

5412
03:10:23,920 --> 03:10:25,320
people personally reached out to

5413
03:10:25,320 --> 03:10:28,360
everyone here aside um

5414
03:10:28,360 --> 03:10:30,680
in addition to the emails. So, I feel

5415
03:10:30,680 --> 03:10:33,200
like the discussions that need to be had

5416
03:10:33,200 --> 03:10:34,480
have been had.

5417
03:10:34,480 --> 03:10:35,560
>> Well, one of the core principles of

5418
03:10:35,560 --> 03:10:36,760
Alpine is we are not a city of

5419
03:10:36,760 --> 03:10:38,640
efficiency. We are a city of peace and

5420
03:10:38,640 --> 03:10:40,880
quiet. And that will always work against

5421
03:10:40,880 --> 03:10:42,040
each other.

5422
03:10:42,040 --> 03:10:43,000
So, we're going to have to take a lot

5423
03:10:43,000 --> 03:10:44,440
more time in meetings if we want to

5424
03:10:44,440 --> 03:10:46,160
preserve our peace and quiet unlike

5425
03:10:46,160 --> 03:10:49,000
Lehi, AF, Cedar Hills, Salt Lake,

5426
03:10:49,000 --> 03:10:52,200
Draper. They've lost it. So, efficiency

5427
03:10:52,200 --> 03:10:53,840
will always work against our peace and

5428
03:10:53,840 --> 03:10:56,400
quiet and the gem we have of our city.

5429
03:10:56,400 --> 03:10:58,880
Um okay.

5430
03:10:58,880 --> 03:11:00,000
We've learned that the most dangerous

5431
03:11:00,000 --> 03:11:01,880
thing in Alpine is to live near a vacant

5432
03:11:01,880 --> 03:11:04,240
lot and it's why I usually take the side

5433
03:11:04,240 --> 03:11:06,600
of the people who live near vacant lots,

5434
03:11:06,600 --> 03:11:08,480
not who want to build on vacant lots

5435
03:11:08,480 --> 03:11:10,640
because what we see happening in AF, our

5436
03:11:10,640 --> 03:11:12,640
surrounding cities, is that the things

5437
03:11:12,640 --> 03:11:15,240
going up in vacant lots

5438
03:11:15,240 --> 03:11:18,240
are atrocious. They are destroying

5439
03:11:18,240 --> 03:11:20,720
beautiful cities like Lehi and I love

5440
03:11:20,720 --> 03:11:22,720
Lehi, but what are going up in vacant

5441
03:11:22,720 --> 03:11:25,520
lots is transforming these cities in an

5442
03:11:25,520 --> 03:11:27,440
irreparable way.

5443
03:11:27,440 --> 03:11:28,960
And that is why I take the side of the

5444
03:11:28,960 --> 03:11:31,120
people who live near it. I don't know

5445
03:11:31,120 --> 03:11:32,640
why we have arrived here. I I have

5446
03:11:32,640 --> 03:11:34,960
ideas, but it is uh

5447
03:11:34,960 --> 03:11:37,200
it is a fight to preserve Alpine and I

5448
03:11:37,200 --> 03:11:39,080
hope we're all willing to do it.

5449
03:11:39,080 --> 03:11:40,840
Um these are some of the things that

5450
03:11:40,840 --> 03:11:42,800
they've brought up that are primary

5451
03:11:42,800 --> 03:11:45,560
things. From the Payne family, several

5452
03:11:45,560 --> 03:11:47,560
others, the Monazories,

5453
03:11:47,560 --> 03:11:49,760
uh the Jenkins, the Shaman, all the ones

5454
03:11:49,760 --> 03:11:52,760
you've read, Andrew Larson, um and

5455
03:11:52,760 --> 03:11:54,280
several others that have been really

5456
03:11:54,280 --> 03:11:55,480
good.

5457
03:11:55,480 --> 03:11:58,200
I am hearing that they would like

5458
03:11:58,200 --> 03:12:01,120
parking to be managed better. That

5459
03:12:01,120 --> 03:12:02,360
intersection is probably one of the

5460
03:12:02,360 --> 03:12:04,920
worst in Alpine. If we could fix it, we

5461
03:12:04,920 --> 03:12:06,280
could pattern that and sell it to the

5462
03:12:06,280 --> 03:12:09,120
rest of the world. That would be a huge

5463
03:12:09,120 --> 03:12:11,400
triumph if we could fix that. This would

5464
03:12:11,400 --> 03:12:14,600
only add to more problems on that

5465
03:12:14,600 --> 03:12:16,360
intersection. So, I agree with the

5466
03:12:16,360 --> 03:12:17,920
residents who have said we need to fix

5467
03:12:17,920 --> 03:12:19,280
the parking.

5468
03:12:19,280 --> 03:12:21,080
On the design, I know the owner is

5469
03:12:21,080 --> 03:12:22,720
actually working on alterations. So,

5470
03:12:22,720 --> 03:12:24,160
this is very

5471
03:12:24,160 --> 03:12:24,760
um

5472
03:12:24,760 --> 03:12:27,320
uh promising. Uh and he was actually in

5473
03:12:27,320 --> 03:12:28,680
discussion with me today, and I really

5474
03:12:28,680 --> 03:12:31,080
appreciated that and his family.

5475
03:12:31,080 --> 03:12:33,800
And I truly think that they could work

5476
03:12:33,800 --> 03:12:35,360
out, like some other residents in

5477
03:12:35,360 --> 03:12:37,440
communities have done, a compromise

5478
03:12:37,440 --> 03:12:39,120
between the landowner, which has

5479
03:12:39,120 --> 03:12:41,320
happened two times that I've seen, was

5480
03:12:41,320 --> 03:12:43,200
marvelous. Didn't need lawyers, didn't

5481
03:12:43,200 --> 03:12:44,520
need judges,

5482
03:12:44,520 --> 03:12:46,480
uh didn't need counsel. The community

5483
03:12:46,480 --> 03:12:47,680
worked it out, and they found something

5484
03:12:47,680 --> 03:12:49,920
where the residents were happy and the

5485
03:12:49,920 --> 03:12:51,520
homeowners I'm or the owner of the

5486
03:12:51,520 --> 03:12:52,760
building. So, I'm hoping they will still

5487
03:12:52,760 --> 03:12:54,720
do that. That's why I'd be in favor of

5488
03:12:54,720 --> 03:12:57,080
tabling this or denying it until they

5489
03:12:57,080 --> 03:12:59,440
can come to a uh something that is

5490
03:12:59,440 --> 03:13:01,560
cohesive with the neighborhood

5491
03:13:01,560 --> 03:13:03,560
or what you would consider the spirit of

5492
03:13:03,560 --> 03:13:04,880
the law that we're looking at right

5493
03:13:04,880 --> 03:13:06,720
here. Something that is cohesive with

5494
03:13:06,720 --> 03:13:09,560
the neighborhood both in height, design

5495
03:13:09,560 --> 03:13:13,080
that meets the historic character uh

5496
03:13:13,080 --> 03:13:14,840
that we are trying so hard for. I think

5497
03:13:14,840 --> 03:13:16,800
he's I think the owner is very close to

5498
03:13:16,800 --> 03:13:18,640
it. He's working on options. I think

5499
03:13:18,640 --> 03:13:20,680
they can find something that the

5500
03:13:20,680 --> 03:13:22,560
neighborhood and them can arrive at a

5501
03:13:22,560 --> 03:13:24,800
good result with. Um so, that's why I'm

5502
03:13:24,800 --> 03:13:27,160
for tabling this or denying it until

5503
03:13:27,160 --> 03:13:29,320
that um

5504
03:13:29,320 --> 03:13:31,680
until that compromise between them,

5505
03:13:31,680 --> 03:13:33,560
until that solution can become a win-win

5506
03:13:33,560 --> 03:13:35,040
for both of them.

5507
03:13:35,040 --> 03:13:36,880
>> Okay, Brent.

5508
03:13:36,880 --> 03:13:37,960
Do you have any comments?

5509
03:13:37,960 --> 03:13:41,160
>> Yes. Um thanks, Andrew. I you covered

5510
03:13:41,160 --> 03:13:42,640
very well the the concerns of the

5511
03:13:42,640 --> 03:13:43,960
residents. I'm

5512
03:13:43,960 --> 03:13:46,200
I really appreciate all the out

5513
03:13:46,200 --> 03:13:47,680
outreach and letting us know your

5514
03:13:47,680 --> 03:13:48,840
concerns.

5515
03:13:48,840 --> 03:13:50,440
Um

5516
03:13:50,440 --> 03:13:52,680
confirmed with staff that this zone this

5517
03:13:52,680 --> 03:13:54,800
business commercial zone has existed for

5518
03:13:54,800 --> 03:13:56,640
at least 30 years.

5519
03:13:56,640 --> 03:13:58,160
Um

5520
03:13:58,160 --> 03:13:59,760
And it's kind of unfortunate as a former

5521
03:13:59,760 --> 03:14:01,080
land use attorney, it's kind of

5522
03:14:01,080 --> 03:14:03,760
unfortunate that sometimes when zoning

5523
03:14:03,760 --> 03:14:06,000
be is enacted that there are

5524
03:14:06,000 --> 03:14:07,360
pre-existing uses and there's a

5525
03:14:07,360 --> 03:14:09,320
grandfathered

5526
03:14:09,320 --> 03:14:11,200
ability to keep using that property in

5527
03:14:11,200 --> 03:14:12,480
the way it was intended to be used or

5528
03:14:12,480 --> 03:14:14,240
what the way it was is being used when

5529
03:14:14,240 --> 03:14:16,800
the zoning changed. So, that's why

5530
03:14:16,800 --> 03:14:18,080
it's still residential for the most

5531
03:14:18,080 --> 03:14:20,480
part, but it looks like that that is

5532
03:14:20,480 --> 03:14:23,000
kind of changing with the small area

5533
03:14:23,000 --> 03:14:24,880
plan. We have some indication that some

5534
03:14:24,880 --> 03:14:26,280
other owners on Main Street who own

5535
03:14:26,280 --> 03:14:28,880
these properties plan to develop for

5536
03:14:28,880 --> 03:14:30,960
develop them as um mixed-use commercial

5537
03:14:30,960 --> 03:14:33,200
residential similar to what this owner

5538
03:14:33,200 --> 03:14:34,680
is proposing.

5539
03:14:34,680 --> 03:14:35,640
Um

5540
03:14:35,640 --> 03:14:38,160
I clarified with staff as well

5541
03:14:38,160 --> 03:14:40,400
reading through the legislative intent

5542
03:14:40,400 --> 03:14:43,160
section of the land use law for this

5543
03:14:43,160 --> 03:14:45,720
is basically

5544
03:14:45,720 --> 03:14:47,040
because it's in the business commercial

5545
03:14:47,040 --> 03:14:48,960
use the the stat the statute states the

5546
03:14:48,960 --> 03:14:51,440
following uses of land shall be

5547
03:14:51,440 --> 03:14:53,520
permitted upon compliance with the

5548
03:14:53,520 --> 03:14:55,040
applicable standards and conditions set

5549
03:14:55,040 --> 03:14:56,360
forth below.

5550
03:14:56,360 --> 03:14:58,880
And it does. So, there are 15 permitted

5551
03:14:58,880 --> 03:15:00,440
uses in the business business commercial

5552
03:15:00,440 --> 03:15:04,160
use zone. And then 11 additional

5553
03:15:04,160 --> 03:15:06,440
conditional uses that can be used

5554
03:15:06,440 --> 03:15:08,640
pending approval from a city council.

5555
03:15:08,640 --> 03:15:09,680
So,

5556
03:15:09,680 --> 03:15:11,480
when you think about

5557
03:15:11,480 --> 03:15:12,920
I don't I hope you hopefully you listen

5558
03:15:12,920 --> 03:15:16,200
to the planning commission. Um the owner

5559
03:15:16,200 --> 03:15:17,880
expressed his opinion that they have a

5560
03:15:17,880 --> 03:15:20,400
small retail establishment and that

5561
03:15:20,400 --> 03:15:23,040
only I I think he said 12

5562
03:15:23,040 --> 03:15:26,200
uh by appointment only residents a month

5563
03:15:26,200 --> 03:15:28,360
or customers a month will frequent the

5564
03:15:28,360 --> 03:15:30,120
business. And when I go through that

5565
03:15:30,120 --> 03:15:31,800
list of 15

5566
03:15:31,800 --> 03:15:34,080
businesses that can be in this

5567
03:15:34,080 --> 03:15:35,760
business commercial zone

5568
03:15:35,760 --> 03:15:37,960
and the 11

5569
03:15:37,960 --> 03:15:39,640
that potentially could be as conditional

5570
03:15:39,640 --> 03:15:40,800
uses,

5571
03:15:40,800 --> 03:15:42,720
well, that sure seems like it's a pretty

5572
03:15:42,720 --> 03:15:45,080
good option um based on what could be.

5573
03:15:45,080 --> 03:15:47,040
Let's say dog dog grooming is one or pet

5574
03:15:47,040 --> 03:15:48,160
grooming.

5575
03:15:48,160 --> 03:15:51,080
I If I was the I I was a resident next

5576
03:15:51,080 --> 03:15:52,760
to a pet grooming store where you have

5577
03:15:52,760 --> 03:15:54,160
people coming and going all day long

5578
03:15:54,160 --> 03:15:55,800
dropping off their pets, that would be

5579
03:15:55,800 --> 03:15:57,720
much more intrusive. So, again, I'm very

5580
03:15:57,720 --> 03:16:00,000
sympathetic, but

5581
03:16:00,000 --> 03:16:02,560
I I will say that of the potential uses,

5582
03:16:02,560 --> 03:16:04,560
this is probably one of the best

5583
03:16:04,560 --> 03:16:07,520
potential uses. Um

5584
03:16:07,520 --> 03:16:09,440
given the fact that we really don't have

5585
03:16:09,440 --> 03:16:10,440
a whole lot of We really don't have a

5586
03:16:10,440 --> 03:16:11,560
choice.

5587
03:16:11,560 --> 03:16:13,560
It it shall be permitted if it meets the

5588
03:16:13,560 --> 03:16:14,760
requirements.

5589
03:16:14,760 --> 03:16:16,240
As far as the

5590
03:16:16,240 --> 03:16:18,240
very great points about the backing out

5591
03:16:18,240 --> 03:16:20,280
of of parking stalls, and I'm really

5592
03:16:20,280 --> 03:16:22,840
appreciative of staff for

5593
03:16:22,840 --> 03:16:24,040
quickly thinking when they got that

5594
03:16:24,040 --> 03:16:26,280
feedback from the residents about what

5595
03:16:26,280 --> 03:16:30,240
can we do to make it more

5596
03:16:30,240 --> 03:16:32,880
inherent that someone will not back out.

5597
03:16:32,880 --> 03:16:34,240
Because looking at that site plan,

5598
03:16:34,240 --> 03:16:36,120
clearly people coming to that place

5599
03:16:36,120 --> 03:16:38,040
would back out. That's just the That's

5600
03:16:38,040 --> 03:16:42,080
just the intuitive thing.

5601
03:16:42,080 --> 03:16:44,880
Our Our ordinance requires that for any

5602
03:16:44,880 --> 03:16:46,480
business commercial use, they have to be

5603
03:16:46,480 --> 03:16:49,360
able to come out front facing.

5604
03:16:49,360 --> 03:16:51,160
Someone could back out of the automotive

5605
03:16:51,160 --> 03:16:52,600
shop across the street, for example.

5606
03:16:52,600 --> 03:16:54,320
There's nothing illegal about that. So,

5607
03:16:54,320 --> 03:16:56,240
we really we can't stop that unless they

5608
03:16:56,240 --> 03:16:58,360
do unless they do it unsafely. But, I

5609
03:16:58,360 --> 03:17:00,720
really like the curb idea in that it's

5610
03:17:00,720 --> 03:17:03,160
going to be intuitive now for visitors

5611
03:17:03,160 --> 03:17:06,080
to that site that you'll back out and

5612
03:17:06,080 --> 03:17:07,840
come out front facing, which does

5613
03:17:07,840 --> 03:17:09,680
alleviate a lot of the concerns. I

5614
03:17:09,680 --> 03:17:11,440
talked to some residents, uh at least

5615
03:17:11,440 --> 03:17:13,600
one resident, who also lives on that on

5616
03:17:13,600 --> 03:17:15,560
that side, and he admitted to backing

5617
03:17:15,560 --> 03:17:18,680
out every day. So, granted that same

5618
03:17:18,680 --> 03:17:20,280
ordinance doesn't apply to residences,

5619
03:17:20,280 --> 03:17:21,800
but

5620
03:17:21,800 --> 03:17:22,920
for the most part we back out of our

5621
03:17:22,920 --> 03:17:24,440
residences, and

5622
03:17:24,440 --> 03:17:25,000
um

5623
03:17:25,000 --> 03:17:27,880
12 visits a month is not doesn't seem

5624
03:17:27,880 --> 03:17:30,720
overly concerning. I mean and I really

5625
03:17:30,720 --> 03:17:32,680
I'm glad that we found a solution to

5626
03:17:32,680 --> 03:17:35,110
that.

5627
03:17:35,120 --> 03:17:43,430
Um, let's see.

5628
03:17:43,440 --> 03:17:44,680
Yeah, I think that's pretty much what I

5629
03:17:44,680 --> 03:17:46,360
had. I I really appreciate the concerns

5630
03:17:46,360 --> 03:17:49,360
and I I I understand them.

5631
03:17:49,360 --> 03:17:50,520
Um

5632
03:17:50,520 --> 03:17:52,640
but I think this is because it is

5633
03:17:52,640 --> 03:17:54,560
basically an administrative thing, at

5634
03:17:54,560 --> 03:17:56,960
least this part of it the the use, it

5635
03:17:56,960 --> 03:18:00,280
seemed like we it it has to be approved.

5636
03:18:00,280 --> 03:18:00,880
That's all.

5637
03:18:00,880 --> 03:18:03,520
>> Thank you. Jessica.

5638
03:18:03,520 --> 03:18:05,120
>> Um, just

5639
03:18:05,120 --> 03:18:08,800
a question for for Shane.

5640
03:18:08,800 --> 03:18:11,960
So, the parking meets a low-impact use

5641
03:18:11,960 --> 03:18:14,160
today, but as we all know businesses

5642
03:18:14,160 --> 03:18:15,360
change.

5643
03:18:15,360 --> 03:18:20,560
And what's the remedy or the future if it

5644
03:18:20,560 --> 03:18:23,960
does become a highly used retail space?

5645
03:18:23,960 --> 03:18:26,720
Because they haven't left any options on

5646
03:18:26,720 --> 03:18:29,800
the lot to be able to grow the parking.

5647
03:18:29,800 --> 03:18:32,000
And so, that's a concern for me

5648
03:18:32,000 --> 03:18:33,640
as far as we look at this and we're

5649
03:18:33,640 --> 03:18:35,200
making, you know, these long-term

5650
03:18:35,200 --> 03:18:36,760
decisions.

5651
03:18:36,760 --> 03:18:37,880
>> So,

5652
03:18:37,880 --> 03:18:39,720
because I don't review these anymore,

5653
03:18:39,720 --> 03:18:41,200
I'm not as familiar with the code as I

5654
03:18:41,200 --> 03:18:43,120
used to be, but there was a provision in

5655
03:18:43,120 --> 03:18:45,760
the code for a change of use. If there

5656
03:18:45,760 --> 03:18:47,880
was a change of use,

5657
03:18:47,880 --> 03:18:50,560
um, they would have to meet the parking

5658
03:18:50,560 --> 03:18:53,160
requirement for the new use.

5659
03:18:53,160 --> 03:18:55,120
Now, if it stayed the same type of

5660
03:18:55,120 --> 03:18:56,720
retail that it is,

5661
03:18:56,720 --> 03:18:57,840
>> Okay.

5662
03:18:57,840 --> 03:19:00,720
>> advice from two city attorneys ago, I

5663
03:19:00,720 --> 03:19:03,000
remember a situation was

5664
03:19:03,000 --> 03:19:04,480
you know, you can't go back and look at

5665
03:19:04,480 --> 03:19:07,280
the parking requirement, but if it was

5666
03:19:07,280 --> 03:19:09,360
less intensive commercial or whatever we

5667
03:19:09,360 --> 03:19:12,560
have categories for high high intensive

5668
03:19:12,560 --> 03:19:14,040
retail,

5669
03:19:14,040 --> 03:19:16,400
then [clears throat] you could go

5670
03:19:16,400 --> 03:19:18,440
re-look at that. And I don't I don't

5671
03:19:18,440 --> 03:19:20,080
know if that's I think it's still in

5672
03:19:20,080 --> 03:19:20,960
there.

5673
03:19:20,960 --> 03:19:23,800
>> So, it couldn't become a new use with

5674
03:19:23,800 --> 03:19:25,640
insufficient parking.

5675
03:19:25,640 --> 03:19:25,960
Okay.

5676
03:19:25,960 --> 03:19:27,240
>> But, they would have to meet the parking

5677
03:19:27,240 --> 03:19:28,760
requirement for the new use if it

5678
03:19:28,760 --> 03:19:30,440
changes categories.

5679
03:19:30,440 --> 03:19:31,960
>> Okay. And then, um

5680
03:19:31,960 --> 03:19:33,160
>> Question.

5681
03:19:33,160 --> 03:19:35,480
>> This is to the administrative point. I

5682
03:19:35,480 --> 03:19:38,160
see this application as missing on a

5683
03:19:38,160 --> 03:19:40,560
couple of the administrative checklist.

5684
03:19:40,560 --> 03:19:43,920
So, if you go back to the parking

5685
03:19:43,920 --> 03:19:46,440
and the way our code reads regarding

5686
03:19:46,440 --> 03:19:48,920
parking is it's

5687
03:19:48,920 --> 03:19:51,880
it says, "Off-street parking area which

5688
03:19:51,880 --> 03:19:54,280
requires backing from the off-street

5689
03:19:54,280 --> 03:19:55,760
parking space onto the street

5690
03:19:55,760 --> 03:19:58,240
right-of-way in order to exit

5691
03:19:58,240 --> 03:20:00,480
shall not be permitted."

5692
03:20:00,480 --> 03:20:04,880
And I think the way you presented it was

5693
03:20:04,880 --> 03:20:07,120
that the engineer thinks that that's

5694
03:20:07,120 --> 03:20:08,880
enough space. So, I've been looking at

5695
03:20:08,880 --> 03:20:11,360
space all day long. And if you'll go to

5696
03:20:11,360 --> 03:20:14,880
Google Maps and you'll look at the um

5697
03:20:14,880 --> 03:20:16,560
where this No-Ace Ice building is, they

5698
03:20:16,560 --> 03:20:18,400
have a really similar parking lot and a

5699
03:20:18,400 --> 03:20:22,400
really similar um need to have

5700
03:20:22,400 --> 03:20:24,920
um forward-facing egress. And so, I

5701
03:20:24,920 --> 03:20:27,560
measured that out and it's

5702
03:20:27,560 --> 03:20:29,800
quite different than what this proposal

5703
03:20:29,800 --> 03:20:32,800
is. So, I'm still from an administrative

5704
03:20:32,800 --> 03:20:35,320
position not sure that this meets our

5705
03:20:35,320 --> 03:20:37,040
parking code.

5706
03:20:37,040 --> 03:20:39,280
Oh, sorry. It's on the corner of 200 and

5707
03:20:39,280 --> 03:20:42,270
Grove.

5708
03:20:42,280 --> 03:20:44,280
» Oh, okay.

5709
03:20:44,280 --> 03:20:45,720
>> No, no. Down there where it says No-Ace

5710
03:20:45,720 --> 03:20:46,120
Ice is here.

5711
03:20:46,120 --> 03:20:48,920
>> Right here. Oh, there we go. Thank you.

5712
03:20:48,920 --> 03:20:49,520
>> And then, can you point

5713
03:20:49,520 --> 03:20:50,040
>> Learned a lot.

5714
03:20:50,040 --> 03:20:51,320
>> this guy's thanks.

5715
03:20:51,320 --> 03:20:52,360
>> Yeah.

5716
03:20:52,360 --> 03:20:53,920
>> You got to move here, Cayden.

5717
03:20:53,920 --> 03:20:56,880
Come be a part of it.

5718
03:20:56,880 --> 03:21:00,990
>> So, really similar

5719
03:21:01,000 --> 03:21:03,880
because our code requires forward

5720
03:21:03,880 --> 03:21:06,680
facing and egre- or

5721
03:21:06,680 --> 03:21:10,120
How does it How does the language read?

5722
03:21:10,120 --> 03:21:12,240
>> Forward exit by forward motion.

5723
03:21:12,240 --> 03:21:14,640
>> Yeah. All points of ingress and egress

5724
03:21:14,640 --> 03:21:17,600
to a commercial to a commercial use or

5725
03:21:17,600 --> 03:21:19,240
off-street parking area shall be as

5726
03:21:19,240 --> 03:21:21,920
shown on the site plan. So,

5727
03:21:21,920 --> 03:21:23,840
I I

5728
03:21:23,840 --> 03:21:26,400
would like another review

5729
03:21:26,400 --> 03:21:30,280
on if 16 ft, I think you said it was

5730
03:21:30,280 --> 03:21:31,120
um

5731
03:21:31,120 --> 03:21:32,120
>> Yeah.

5732
03:21:32,120 --> 03:21:34,120
>> So, what you're seeing here is the

5733
03:21:34,120 --> 03:21:36,200
parking stalls are 19.

5734
03:21:36,200 --> 03:21:37,840
And actually the distance from the

5735
03:21:37,840 --> 03:21:40,200
parking stall to the drive aisle to the

5736
03:21:40,200 --> 03:21:41,600
sidewalk, because I don't think we can

5737
03:21:41,600 --> 03:21:43,640
include the sidewalk as part of the

5738
03:21:43,640 --> 03:21:44,880
distance

5739
03:21:44,880 --> 03:21:46,360
um that meets the requirement for

5740
03:21:46,360 --> 03:21:48,920
backing out cuz it's not a drive aisle,

5741
03:21:48,920 --> 03:21:52,440
it's a sidewalk. That's 30 ft.

5742
03:21:52,440 --> 03:21:54,960
So, that gives you perspective of the

5743
03:21:54,960 --> 03:21:57,080
distance required. You know, and I'm not

5744
03:21:57,080 --> 03:21:59,040
saying it needs to be 30, but right now

5745
03:21:59,040 --> 03:22:01,160
you have it at 18.

5746
03:22:01,160 --> 03:22:04,000
Was it 18 and 18 or 18 and 16?

5747
03:22:04,000 --> 03:22:05,080
>> Yes.

5748
03:22:05,080 --> 03:22:06,960
>> Yeah, so

5749
03:22:06,960 --> 03:22:10,240
um administratively that does not meet

5750
03:22:10,240 --> 03:22:12,440
our code.

5751
03:22:12,440 --> 03:22:14,080
>> So, just because you found an example in

5752
03:22:14,080 --> 03:22:16,040
Alpine, you're saying it's automatically

5753
03:22:16,040 --> 03:22:18,760
doesn't meet the code?

5754
03:22:18,760 --> 03:22:20,480
>> I just think physically like are you

5755
03:22:20,480 --> 03:22:22,680
drop are you driving

5756
03:22:22,680 --> 03:22:25,760
is that enough for a truck or a larger

5757
03:22:25,760 --> 03:22:28,320
vehicle to back out

5758
03:22:28,320 --> 03:22:31,800
without encroaching upon the sidewalk so

5759
03:22:31,800 --> 03:22:34,560
that they can have a forward motion

5760
03:22:34,560 --> 03:22:35,720
as they're leaving.

5761
03:22:35,720 --> 03:22:38,480
>> Isn't that why we they proposed the curb

5762
03:22:38,480 --> 03:22:39,800
to

5763
03:22:39,800 --> 03:22:40,840
so they can't back out?

5764
03:22:40,840 --> 03:22:42,440
>> I'm just I don't know if the curb is a

5765
03:22:42,440 --> 03:22:43,960
solution.

5766
03:22:43,960 --> 03:22:44,360
>> Using

5767
03:22:44,360 --> 03:22:47,080
>> it's an option and it was a proposed

5768
03:22:47,080 --> 03:22:48,600
um

5769
03:22:48,600 --> 03:22:50,320
let's do that, but I still don't need to

5770
03:22:50,320 --> 03:22:53,680
know if it meets actual um engineered

5771
03:22:53,680 --> 03:22:56,360
parking radius standards.

5772
03:22:56,360 --> 03:22:57,760
>> Mhm.

5773
03:22:57,760 --> 03:22:59,480
And and I'll say to that Council Member

5774
03:22:59,480 --> 03:23:01,800
Smeuin Smeuin that I

5775
03:23:01,800 --> 03:23:04,760
yeah, I am also not an engineer and so

5776
03:23:04,760 --> 03:23:06,880
I would I looked at the code and the

5777
03:23:06,880 --> 03:23:08,320
state code.

5778
03:23:08,320 --> 03:23:10,120
Um and

5779
03:23:10,120 --> 03:23:12,440
I talked to our city engineer.

5780
03:23:12,440 --> 03:23:14,400
And I think he was also unaware of the

5781
03:23:14,400 --> 03:23:16,760
exact standard that a one-way aisle

5782
03:23:16,760 --> 03:23:18,400
would require.

5783
03:23:18,400 --> 03:23:19,840
So,

5784
03:23:19,840 --> 03:23:21,680
that could be maybe it's in the actual

5785
03:23:21,680 --> 03:23:23,360
standards for for city engineers, I'm

5786
03:23:23,360 --> 03:23:25,200
not sure, but um

5787
03:23:25,200 --> 03:23:26,680
I just haven't found anything.

5788
03:23:26,680 --> 03:23:28,400
>> Okay, so that was administrative and

5789
03:23:28,400 --> 03:23:30,440
then another administrative

5790
03:23:30,440 --> 03:23:33,960
um requirement that hasn't been met is

5791
03:23:33,960 --> 03:23:36,400
our gateway historic standards. There's

5792
03:23:36,400 --> 03:23:39,720
quite a few um items

5793
03:23:39,720 --> 03:23:42,520
within the gateway standards that

5794
03:23:42,520 --> 03:23:44,560
and I can go over a few of them like

5795
03:23:44,560 --> 03:23:46,880
mimicking details of older buildings,

5796
03:23:46,880 --> 03:23:49,240
use similar materials, include design

5797
03:23:49,240 --> 03:23:51,560
features on blank walls.

5798
03:23:51,560 --> 03:23:54,160
Um respect and build upon the historical

5799
03:23:54,160 --> 03:23:56,240
legacy of downtown Alpine and borrow

5800
03:23:56,240 --> 03:23:58,840
historic features from the area.

5801
03:23:58,840 --> 03:24:00,560
New structures should relate to the

5802
03:24:00,560 --> 03:24:02,080
fundamental characteristics of the

5803
03:24:02,080 --> 03:24:04,600
district.

5804
03:24:04,600 --> 03:24:06,480
Creative historic design elements

5805
03:24:06,480 --> 03:24:08,680
fitting for the area can be considered.

5806
03:24:08,680 --> 03:24:10,560
The building form of new construction

5807
03:24:10,560 --> 03:24:12,440
should be similar to surrounding

5808
03:24:12,440 --> 03:24:13,960
structures.

5809
03:24:13,960 --> 03:24:15,640
They don't have to imitate it's saying

5810
03:24:15,640 --> 03:24:17,560
but they don't have to imitate exactly.

5811
03:24:17,560 --> 03:24:19,400
The type of materials used for new

5812
03:24:19,400 --> 03:24:21,120
construction can greatly enhance the

5813
03:24:21,120 --> 03:24:22,720
relationship

5814
03:24:22,720 --> 03:24:25,240
to the surrounding historical structure.

5815
03:24:25,240 --> 03:24:29,080
Maybe go to um actually the building

5816
03:24:29,080 --> 03:24:31,000
that they're proposing because I think

5817
03:24:31,000 --> 03:24:34,280
it's easier as we look at this list to

5818
03:24:34,280 --> 03:24:36,000
look at the building they're proposing

5819
03:24:36,000 --> 03:24:38,320
which is a modern building. If you look

5820
03:24:38,320 --> 03:24:41,520
at modern architecture um

5821
03:24:41,520 --> 03:24:45,280
streamlined walls, um the angles, all of

5822
03:24:45,280 --> 03:24:46,840
the elements of this

5823
03:24:46,840 --> 03:24:49,080
is falls under the form of a modern

5824
03:24:49,080 --> 03:24:51,200
building. And so that also is an

5825
03:24:51,200 --> 03:24:53,400
administrative

5826
03:24:53,400 --> 03:24:55,400
requirement that hasn't been met by this

5827
03:24:55,400 --> 03:24:57,000
application.

5828
03:24:57,000 --> 03:24:58,720
Um

5829
03:24:58,720 --> 03:25:00,200
and then I talked to you about this

5830
03:25:00,200 --> 03:25:02,200
earlier, the streetscape. We have a

5831
03:25:02,200 --> 03:25:04,160
streetscape requirement where every 30

5832
03:25:04,160 --> 03:25:05,920
ft they have to put some kind of

5833
03:25:05,920 --> 03:25:08,790
element.

5834
03:25:08,800 --> 03:25:11,520
» That was also why the landscaping was

5835
03:25:11,520 --> 03:25:13,360
recommended by staff for the park strip

5836
03:25:13,360 --> 03:25:14,720
area cuz that would fill that

5837
03:25:14,720 --> 03:25:16,360
streetscape requirement.

5838
03:25:16,360 --> 03:25:19,280
>> Streetscaping I think was outside of the

5839
03:25:19,280 --> 03:25:21,040
required landscaping. There were

5840
03:25:21,040 --> 03:25:23,720
elements like benches, lights,

5841
03:25:23,720 --> 03:25:26,760
um planters. I think those stand

5842
03:25:26,760 --> 03:25:29,120
separately from my understanding of our

5843
03:25:29,120 --> 03:25:31,440
Gateway Historic reading.

5844
03:25:31,440 --> 03:25:33,120
>> Yeah, so the trees, planters are

5845
03:25:33,120 --> 03:25:35,200
included as options for street

5846
03:25:35,200 --> 03:25:38,040
streetscape elements.

5847
03:25:38,040 --> 03:25:39,640
So,

5848
03:25:39,640 --> 03:25:41,760
I think benches, other things like lamp

5849
03:25:41,760 --> 03:25:44,000
posts are also included in there, but

5850
03:25:44,000 --> 03:25:46,120
just basic landscaping is also included

5851
03:25:46,120 --> 03:25:47,480
as a streetscape element

5852
03:25:47,480 --> 03:25:47,960
>> Okay.

5853
03:25:47,960 --> 03:25:50,000
>> option. Yeah.

5854
03:25:50,000 --> 03:25:51,760
>> And it's every Are they going to present

5855
03:25:51,760 --> 03:25:55,800
something that shows that every 30 ft?

5856
03:25:55,800 --> 03:25:57,720
>> We can that could be part of the motion

5857
03:25:57,720 --> 03:25:58,040
>> Okay.

5858
03:25:58,040 --> 03:26:00,640
>> today that at least every

5859
03:26:00,640 --> 03:26:01,320
I [clears throat] think actually our

5860
03:26:01,320 --> 03:26:02,640
landscape code says there should be a

5861
03:26:02,640 --> 03:26:05,240
tree every 20 ft in the park strip if

5862
03:26:05,240 --> 03:26:06,800
they have trees.

5863
03:26:06,800 --> 03:26:09,040
So, it could be even more restrictive.

5864
03:26:09,040 --> 03:26:10,360
>> Okay, that was it. Those were the

5865
03:26:10,360 --> 03:26:11,960
administrative areas that I felt like

5866
03:26:11,960 --> 03:26:15,800
this application was not meeting.

5867
03:26:15,800 --> 03:26:17,920
>> Okay, Sarah. Um would it be possible to

5868
03:26:17,920 --> 03:26:20,280
pull pull up the zoning map, Caden? Is

5869
03:26:20,280 --> 03:26:22,880
that Sorry to put you on the spot.

5870
03:26:22,880 --> 03:26:24,280
But I just

5871
03:26:24,280 --> 03:26:27,440
um wanted to recommend just make one

5872
03:26:27,440 --> 03:26:29,040
comment and recommend one thing for the

5873
03:26:29,040 --> 03:26:30,280
future.

5874
03:26:30,280 --> 03:26:31,520
And I [clears throat] already talked

5875
03:26:31,520 --> 03:26:34,120
about this with Caden and Shane and

5876
03:26:34,120 --> 03:26:36,640
actually it was

5877
03:26:36,640 --> 03:26:38,240
um

5878
03:26:38,240 --> 03:26:40,280
>> I think it's I think it's in city maps.

5879
03:26:40,280 --> 03:26:42,520
>> It's at the very bottom, so click

5880
03:26:42,520 --> 03:26:44,200
It's at the very bottom.

5881
03:26:44,200 --> 03:26:45,920
Right there.

5882
03:26:45,920 --> 03:26:48,280
>> Um on the

5883
03:26:48,280 --> 03:26:51,280
zoning map as it currently stands,

5884
03:26:51,280 --> 03:26:53,200
um if you go over into that

5885
03:26:53,200 --> 03:26:56,520
neighborhood, you have 200 North

5886
03:26:56,520 --> 03:26:58,600
and then you have 100 West and it looks

5887
03:26:58,600 --> 03:27:01,120
like the commercial zone goes all the

5888
03:27:01,120 --> 03:27:04,640
way to 100 West. I think it might be

5889
03:27:04,640 --> 03:27:07,280
wise to re-examine

5890
03:27:07,280 --> 03:27:09,920
um changing that slightly so that in the

5891
03:27:09,920 --> 03:27:11,680
future

5892
03:27:11,680 --> 03:27:16,680
maybe it's just the houses on Main Street that face

5893
03:27:16,680 --> 03:27:18,960
east, those properties are commercial,

5894
03:27:18,960 --> 03:27:21,640
but the ones on 100 West

5895
03:27:21,640 --> 03:27:24,440
that face west remain residential. To me

5896
03:27:24,440 --> 03:27:27,000
that makes more sense. Um I don't know

5897
03:27:27,000 --> 03:27:28,320
if that's something we could look at in

5898
03:27:28,320 --> 03:27:30,800
the future. Just maybe so we don't have

5899
03:27:30,800 --> 03:27:32,880
another situation where

5900
03:27:32,880 --> 03:27:34,920
I don't know. There's

5901
03:27:34,920 --> 03:27:36,280
um

5902
03:27:36,280 --> 03:27:38,400
you know, uh a

5903
03:27:38,400 --> 03:27:41,960
uncohesive kind of combination.

5904
03:27:41,960 --> 03:27:45,040
But um okay, so

5905
03:27:45,040 --> 03:27:46,680
that was one of the things that I

5906
03:27:46,680 --> 03:27:48,360
thought that forward-facing we could

5907
03:27:48,360 --> 03:27:49,560
consider. And then I just had a few

5908
03:27:49,560 --> 03:27:50,720
questions.

5909
03:27:50,720 --> 03:27:51,520
Um

5910
03:27:51,520 --> 03:27:53,000
Kaden, just to confirm there is

5911
03:27:53,000 --> 03:27:56,400
landscaping on at least 20% of the lot.

5912
03:27:56,400 --> 03:27:57,280
>> Yes.

5913
03:27:57,280 --> 03:27:59,800
>> Okay. And

5914
03:27:59,800 --> 03:28:00,400
um

5915
03:28:00,400 --> 03:28:02,480
you already addressed the stairs and the

5916
03:28:02,480 --> 03:28:04,720
balcony. How large is the balcony? Do

5917
03:28:04,720 --> 03:28:05,680
you know how many feet?

5918
03:28:05,680 --> 03:28:08,160
>> I actually am not sure on that.

5919
03:28:08,160 --> 03:28:10,400
>> Because with the setback of 10 ft in the

5920
03:28:10,400 --> 03:28:12,440
back and then you put a balcony, I just

5921
03:28:12,440 --> 03:28:13,800
feel like that's really intrusive for

5922
03:28:13,800 --> 03:28:16,440
the neighbors that live back there.

5923
03:28:16,440 --> 03:28:17,800
And so I don't know if that's something

5924
03:28:17,800 --> 03:28:20,600
that looking in the future we can

5925
03:28:20,600 --> 03:28:23,920
address. I don't know if we can

5926
03:28:23,920 --> 03:28:26,160
Oh, okay.

5927
03:28:26,160 --> 03:28:27,880
Yes, if you can come up and state your

5928
03:28:27,880 --> 03:28:32,910
name.

5929
03:28:32,920 --> 03:28:36,040
And what street you live on.

5930
03:28:36,040 --> 03:28:38,080
>> Uh Rick Christensen, owner of the Benton

5931
03:28:38,080 --> 03:28:40,080
L Construction. Actually actually live

5932
03:28:40,080 --> 03:28:41,160
in Cedar Hills.

5933
03:28:41,160 --> 03:28:42,080
>> Okay.

5934
03:28:42,080 --> 03:28:43,280
>> So

5935
03:28:43,280 --> 03:28:45,600
the balcony you're asking about, it does

5936
03:28:45,600 --> 03:28:48,880
not stick out. It's flush to the back.

5937
03:28:48,880 --> 03:28:51,320
So it it comes back into the retail

5938
03:28:51,320 --> 03:28:52,160
space

5939
03:28:52,160 --> 03:28:52,680
>> Okay.

5940
03:28:52,680 --> 03:28:54,200
>> about that section. So the only thing

5941
03:28:54,200 --> 03:28:56,160
that's cantilevered is the steps.

5942
03:28:56,160 --> 03:28:57,480
>> Okay, that's why we didn't see it on the

5943
03:28:57,480 --> 03:28:58,960
rendering sticking out. Okay.

5944
03:28:58,960 --> 03:29:01,560
>> So, um I don't know if you have the

5945
03:29:01,560 --> 03:29:06,670
Do you still have the floor plan?

5946
03:29:06,680 --> 03:29:07,480
So,

5947
03:29:07,480 --> 03:29:09,840
well, you can see it right there. So,

5948
03:29:09,840 --> 03:29:12,280
you see in the retail space on the

5949
03:29:12,280 --> 03:29:14,640
right-hand side there's that wall inside

5950
03:29:14,640 --> 03:29:15,920
that's like a little closet.

5951
03:29:15,920 --> 03:29:16,640
>> Oh, uh-huh.

5952
03:29:16,640 --> 03:29:19,160
>> So, that balcony sets over that area

5953
03:29:19,160 --> 03:29:20,080
right there.

5954
03:29:20,080 --> 03:29:20,600
>> Okay.

5955
03:29:20,600 --> 03:29:22,480
>> So, it's flush to the back of the

5956
03:29:22,480 --> 03:29:25,000
building. So, it doesn't encroach, just

5957
03:29:25,000 --> 03:29:27,880
that stairway coming up the east side is

5958
03:29:27,880 --> 03:29:30,720
cantilevered to get up to that balcony.

5959
03:29:30,720 --> 03:29:31,960
>> Thank you for that clarification. Is

5960
03:29:31,960 --> 03:29:33,560
that how you get into the upstairs

5961
03:29:33,560 --> 03:29:34,600
apartment? Is through those stairs?

5962
03:29:34,600 --> 03:29:36,480
>> how you'd walk down a path down the east

5963
03:29:36,480 --> 03:29:37,760
side

5964
03:29:37,760 --> 03:29:39,800
and then go up those stairs and across

5965
03:29:39,800 --> 03:29:42,040
the balcony and into the apartment.

5966
03:29:42,040 --> 03:29:42,840
>> Thank you.

5967
03:29:42,840 --> 03:29:43,440
>> Does that work?

5968
03:29:43,440 --> 03:29:45,640
>> So, clarify cantilevered so there's no

5969
03:29:45,640 --> 03:29:46,600
footings.

5970
03:29:46,600 --> 03:29:48,320
>> There's no footings. So, all all the

5971
03:29:48,320 --> 03:29:49,960
structure comes from the interior of the

5972
03:29:49,960 --> 03:29:52,240
house and cantilevers out to to carry

5973
03:29:52,240 --> 03:29:54,400
that load of that stairway.

5974
03:29:54,400 --> 03:29:56,200
>> And Katon, just to clarify, if there

5975
03:29:56,200 --> 03:29:58,240
were footings, they would have to those

5976
03:29:58,240 --> 03:29:59,840
would include in the setbacks.

5977
03:29:59,840 --> 03:30:01,200
>> That's correct.

5978
03:30:01,200 --> 03:30:02,680
>> Okay.

5979
03:30:02,680 --> 03:30:06,560
Um I do have a question on the garage on

5980
03:30:06,560 --> 03:30:08,640
the west side.

5981
03:30:08,640 --> 03:30:10,440
I mean, I guess people could back in,

5982
03:30:10,440 --> 03:30:12,600
but to me it seems intuitive to Is that

5983
03:30:12,600 --> 03:30:14,840
for delivery trucks?

5984
03:30:14,840 --> 03:30:15,840
>> Um

5985
03:30:15,840 --> 03:30:16,960
>> Or?

5986
03:30:16,960 --> 03:30:19,280
>> So, we have a dumpster on the west side

5987
03:30:19,280 --> 03:30:21,760
there, so we need to access that right

5988
03:30:21,760 --> 03:30:23,640
there, you know, on that west side of

5989
03:30:23,640 --> 03:30:25,120
the property.

5990
03:30:25,120 --> 03:30:25,800
Uh

5991
03:30:25,800 --> 03:30:28,120
there there is two spots considered

5992
03:30:28,120 --> 03:30:31,000
inside the garage for parking.

5993
03:30:31,000 --> 03:30:33,720
So, you know, they That's the other two

5994
03:30:33,720 --> 03:30:35,800
spots that we needed.

5995
03:30:35,800 --> 03:30:36,840
Um

5996
03:30:36,840 --> 03:30:39,480
>> Are those also need to be forward in

5997
03:30:39,480 --> 03:30:42,400
forward back or forward out

5998
03:30:42,400 --> 03:30:44,360
to meet the requirements?

5999
03:30:44,360 --> 03:30:46,320
Is that Okay, I just wanted to clarify

6000
03:30:46,320 --> 03:30:47,960
that.

6001
03:30:47,960 --> 03:30:50,400
Um

6002
03:30:50,400 --> 03:30:53,000
And um the last thing I just want to

6003
03:30:53,000 --> 03:30:55,440
address is the aesthetics. And sorry,

6004
03:30:55,440 --> 03:30:58,120
Kaden, again, I sent you an email of a

6005
03:30:58,120 --> 03:31:00,240
picture that actually Jessica sent me.

6006
03:31:00,240 --> 03:31:03,320
Um I I tend to agree with Jessica that

6007
03:31:03,320 --> 03:31:06,040
this doesn't necessarily meet our

6008
03:31:06,040 --> 03:31:09,200
Gateway Historic guidelines. I I love

6009
03:31:09,200 --> 03:31:11,080
the second rendering. To me, that's more

6010
03:31:11,080 --> 03:31:12,920
historic. That fits more in with our

6011
03:31:12,920 --> 03:31:15,760
guidelines. I might um

6012
03:31:15,760 --> 03:31:18,080
I would assume that the in the second,

6013
03:31:18,080 --> 03:31:20,840
the bottom picture, that the um material

6014
03:31:20,840 --> 03:31:23,760
used is probably a natural material like

6015
03:31:23,760 --> 03:31:27,800
wood. Um I don't think that ACM

6016
03:31:27,800 --> 03:31:30,840
mimics uh natural material for me. It

6017
03:31:30,840 --> 03:31:33,440
clearly is like sheet metal.

6018
03:31:33,440 --> 03:31:35,200
Um so

6019
03:31:35,200 --> 03:31:36,880
I understand that during Planning

6020
03:31:36,880 --> 03:31:39,960
Commission, I don't know if it was you, offered to grab a piece of wood out

6021
03:31:39,960 --> 03:31:41,720
of your car to show

6022
03:31:41,720 --> 03:31:42,200
the audience.

6023
03:31:42,200 --> 03:31:45,640
>> we we contemplated uh wood siding

6024
03:31:45,640 --> 03:31:46,320
>> Yeah.

6025
03:31:46,320 --> 03:31:47,640
>> kind of stained black.

6026
03:31:47,640 --> 03:31:48,640
>> Right.

6027
03:31:48,640 --> 03:31:50,840
>> And their opinion was that if by

6028
03:31:50,840 --> 03:31:52,360
standing in the road, you would never be

6029
03:31:52,360 --> 03:31:54,440
able to tell the difference between the

6030
03:31:54,440 --> 03:31:56,880
ACM and the wood.

6031
03:31:56,880 --> 03:31:57,480
>> Sure.

6032
03:31:57,480 --> 03:31:59,880
>> And the wood the ACM is an aluminum and

6033
03:31:59,880 --> 03:32:01,920
it's it's always going to be clean and

6034
03:32:01,920 --> 03:32:04,680
straight. It's not going to fade. It's a

6035
03:32:04,680 --> 03:32:07,000
very expensive material.

6036
03:32:07,000 --> 03:32:08,840
And that was their They that was their

6037
03:32:08,840 --> 03:32:10,360
consideration. It was that, "You know

6038
03:32:10,360 --> 03:32:12,320
what? We're really not going to tell and

6039
03:32:12,320 --> 03:32:13,360
then we don't have to worry about

6040
03:32:13,360 --> 03:32:15,440
someone changing hands and not taking

6041
03:32:15,440 --> 03:32:17,920
care of the siding and having it looking

6042
03:32:17,920 --> 03:32:18,480
>> Sure.

6043
03:32:18,480 --> 03:32:19,280
>> you know.

6044
03:32:19,280 --> 03:32:19,560
>> Yeah.

6045
03:32:19,560 --> 03:32:20,200
>> dry.

6046
03:32:20,200 --> 03:32:21,760
>> I mean, it's a beautiful building what

6047
03:32:21,760 --> 03:32:24,040
you have already, but I just don't know

6048
03:32:24,040 --> 03:32:27,000
that the design fits in our Gateway

6049
03:32:27,000 --> 03:32:29,680
Historic District. Um if there was a way

6050
03:32:29,680 --> 03:32:32,760
for the ACM to mimic wood more instead

6051
03:32:32,760 --> 03:32:35,320
of just be solid.

6052
03:32:35,320 --> 03:32:37,000
>> So, that it's plank style.

6053
03:32:37,000 --> 03:32:37,440
>> Yeah.

6054
03:32:37,440 --> 03:32:40,080
>> So, it'll be a vertical, you know, plank

6055
03:32:40,080 --> 03:32:41,760
coming down. It just won't have the

6056
03:32:41,760 --> 03:32:44,000
grain on it. It'll be a flat metal

6057
03:32:44,000 --> 03:32:44,880
surface.

6058
03:32:44,880 --> 03:32:47,320
>> Okay. Yeah. Um

6059
03:32:47,320 --> 03:32:49,480
I guess there are some elements of this

6060
03:32:49,480 --> 03:32:50,920
that I just don't feel like me our

6061
03:32:50,920 --> 03:32:52,960
Gateway Historic District District

6062
03:32:52,960 --> 03:32:54,520
design guidelines and I can go into more

6063
03:32:54,520 --> 03:32:56,600
detail if you want, but that's just

6064
03:32:56,600 --> 03:32:58,640
>> No, and and I think the owners we we've

6065
03:32:58,640 --> 03:33:00,560
played around with AI

6066
03:33:00,560 --> 03:33:02,400
over the past couple days trying to come

6067
03:33:02,400 --> 03:33:04,600
up with some other options that might

6068
03:33:04,600 --> 03:33:06,640
help and I think

6069
03:33:06,640 --> 03:33:08,320
I I think we're open

6070
03:33:08,320 --> 03:33:08,880
>> Okay.

6071
03:33:08,880 --> 03:33:11,360
>> to some suggestions if we can do that. I

6072
03:33:11,360 --> 03:33:13,360
mean if wood siding is what

6073
03:33:13,360 --> 03:33:15,000
gets us over the hump, if we put some

6074
03:33:15,000 --> 03:33:17,040
wood corbels

6075
03:33:17,040 --> 03:33:19,560
you know and make it more like that. I

6076
03:33:19,560 --> 03:33:21,240
think we're open to that.

6077
03:33:21,240 --> 03:33:22,320
>> Katy, if you go up.

6078
03:33:22,320 --> 03:33:23,400
>> Okay.

6079
03:33:23,400 --> 03:33:24,920
>> That's really great cuz it shows that

6080
03:33:24,920 --> 03:33:26,600
house next to it.

6081
03:33:26,600 --> 03:33:28,160
>> Yeah, I pulled these up. These were sent

6082
03:33:28,160 --> 03:33:30,960
to me by the owner of potential

6083
03:33:30,960 --> 03:33:32,560
renderings of what they would be willing

6084
03:33:32,560 --> 03:33:33,360
to do

6085
03:33:33,360 --> 03:33:34,640
>> Yeah.

6086
03:33:34,640 --> 03:33:36,160
>> satisfy the council.

6087
03:33:36,160 --> 03:33:38,080
>> Yeah. Do you have any questions? No, I

6088
03:33:38,080 --> 03:33:40,320
guess Jessica already addressed the more

6089
03:33:40,320 --> 03:33:42,760
specific design guidelines from the

6090
03:33:42,760 --> 03:33:45,160
Gateway Historic guidelines, so.

6091
03:33:45,160 --> 03:33:47,000
>> Chrissy, did you have any

6092
03:33:47,000 --> 03:33:48,600
questions or thoughts?

6093
03:33:48,600 --> 03:33:50,600
>> Um I appreciate all that's been covered

6094
03:33:50,600 --> 03:33:52,400
because I feel like we've made a lot of

6095
03:33:52,400 --> 03:33:56,320
progress in our 30 minutes. Um we've uh

6096
03:33:56,320 --> 03:33:58,880
two thing or three things that came up

6097
03:33:58,880 --> 03:34:02,240
on um my radar that maybe were not

6098
03:34:02,240 --> 03:34:04,800
necessarily brought up by residents was

6099
03:34:04,800 --> 03:34:06,800
the signage. Um

6100
03:34:06,800 --> 03:34:10,240
we have specific guidelines for signage

6101
03:34:10,240 --> 03:34:12,440
and is that addressed at this stage of

6102
03:34:12,440 --> 03:34:13,240
the plan?

6103
03:34:13,240 --> 03:34:14,320
>> No, they will have to return to the

6104
03:34:14,320 --> 03:34:15,960
planning commission to get their sign

6105
03:34:15,960 --> 03:34:16,320
approved.

6106
03:34:16,320 --> 03:34:17,120
>> Okay.

6107
03:34:17,120 --> 03:34:19,880
How about fencing?

6108
03:34:19,880 --> 03:34:21,680
is also in our Main Street

6109
03:34:21,680 --> 03:34:23,560
guidelines.

6110
03:34:23,560 --> 03:34:25,000
>> I I guess that could be talked about

6111
03:34:25,000 --> 03:34:27,120
today um because it's in the guidelines.

6112
03:34:27,120 --> 03:34:29,840
I don't think the specific project

6113
03:34:29,840 --> 03:34:32,320
requires fencing other than the barrier

6114
03:34:32,320 --> 03:34:34,240
that's already there for the parking.

6115
03:34:34,240 --> 03:34:35,160
>> Okay.

6116
03:34:35,160 --> 03:34:36,360
>> But there's no other requirement than

6117
03:34:36,360 --> 03:34:36,760
that.

6118
03:34:36,760 --> 03:34:38,120
>> There's no requirement that there is

6119
03:34:38,120 --> 03:34:39,000
fencing.

6120
03:34:39,000 --> 03:34:39,560
>> Correct.

6121
03:34:39,560 --> 03:34:39,960
>> Okay.

6122
03:34:39,960 --> 03:34:41,680
>> It must of these are to

6123
03:34:41,680 --> 03:34:43,560
be a barrier for the parking.

6124
03:34:43,560 --> 03:34:43,760
>> Okay.

6125
03:34:43,760 --> 03:34:44,760
>> Which is already there.

6126
03:34:44,760 --> 03:34:46,560
>> Um

6127
03:34:46,560 --> 03:34:48,520
just for your information that we have

6128
03:34:48,520 --> 03:34:50,280
guidelines on our fencing if you decide

6129
03:34:50,280 --> 03:34:52,000
to put up a fence, owner, builder,

6130
03:34:52,000 --> 03:34:54,400
whoever. About the materials.

6131
03:34:54,400 --> 03:34:55,600
>> permit and a different

6132
03:34:55,600 --> 03:34:57,840
>> Yes, right, right.

6133
03:34:57,840 --> 03:34:59,200
Okay, I just wondered if it was brought

6134
03:34:59,200 --> 03:35:01,000
up and I it wasn't included in the plan

6135
03:35:01,000 --> 03:35:02,880
in the hearing. And then lastly,

6136
03:35:02,880 --> 03:35:05,320
screening. Was there any screening

6137
03:35:05,320 --> 03:35:07,360
discussed or is that also another part

6138
03:35:07,360 --> 03:35:09,280
of the plan process?

6139
03:35:09,280 --> 03:35:11,280
>> Again, yeah, that was that was fulfilled

6140
03:35:11,280 --> 03:35:13,880
that requirement by the fence on the

6141
03:35:13,880 --> 03:35:15,520
east side of the property.

6142
03:35:15,520 --> 03:35:17,240
That's the only requirement to have a

6143
03:35:17,240 --> 03:35:19,000
screening for the parking.

6144
03:35:19,000 --> 03:35:20,920
>> Fence on the Oh, cuz we're screening

6145
03:35:20,920 --> 03:35:21,600
parking.

6146
03:35:21,600 --> 03:35:22,200
>> Correct.

6147
03:35:22,200 --> 03:35:22,720
>> Okay.

6148
03:35:22,720 --> 03:35:23,200
>> Yes.

6149
03:35:23,200 --> 03:35:25,280
>> Okay. So, there is Okay, so there was

6150
03:35:25,280 --> 03:35:26,800
some fencing.

6151
03:35:26,800 --> 03:35:28,320
Just not the whole lot doesn't have to

6152
03:35:28,320 --> 03:35:29,520
be fenced. Is that what you're telling

6153
03:35:29,520 --> 03:35:31,120
me? Okay.

6154
03:35:31,120 --> 03:35:34,320
I agree. Um I I I I appreciate all the

6155
03:35:34,320 --> 03:35:35,000
research. [snorts]

6156
03:35:35,000 --> 03:35:38,360
I agree that getting emails allows us

6157
03:35:38,360 --> 03:35:40,200
time to do some research and figure out

6158
03:35:40,200 --> 03:35:42,720
where the we stand legally. We don't

6159
03:35:42,720 --> 03:35:44,760
ever want to be contrary to the law.

6160
03:35:44,760 --> 03:35:46,320
I've already so

6161
03:35:46,320 --> 03:35:48,400
sit on my soapbox on that issue. So, I

6162
03:35:48,400 --> 03:35:52,120
appreciate us the

6163
03:35:52,120 --> 03:35:53,920
responsiveness of our staff to make sure

6164
03:35:53,920 --> 03:35:56,680
we're in compliance with the law. As far

6165
03:35:56,680 --> 03:36:00,680
as the design, I myself have been wondering what could

6166
03:36:00,680 --> 03:36:02,920
we do and I'm not an architect to help

6167
03:36:02,920 --> 03:36:06,520
it feel more historic. And a few tips

6168
03:36:06,520 --> 03:36:08,880
that I got from a different architect

6169
03:36:08,880 --> 03:36:11,200
was that historical windows are taller

6170
03:36:11,200 --> 03:36:14,200
than they are wide. And so

6171
03:36:14,200 --> 03:36:16,080
and also they have divided light, which

6172
03:36:16,080 --> 03:36:19,680
you do have divided light. Um and then

6173
03:36:19,680 --> 03:36:22,280
um there's also Jessica read something

6174
03:36:22,280 --> 03:36:25,320
about a blank wall. And so that the the

6175
03:36:25,320 --> 03:36:28,000
part over the garage is very blank. So,

6176
03:36:28,000 --> 03:36:29,400
whoever did the rendering where we put

6177
03:36:29,400 --> 03:36:31,040
the signage over there with lights, that

6178
03:36:31,040 --> 03:36:33,560
would help fulfill that. Another new

6179
03:36:33,560 --> 03:36:35,920
word I learned from um

6180
03:36:35,920 --> 03:36:37,440
just trying to understand what is

6181
03:36:37,440 --> 03:36:39,720
historic is some coping

6182
03:36:39,720 --> 03:36:41,480
across the top of the brick where is

6183
03:36:41,480 --> 03:36:43,320
like where you add who had that other

6184
03:36:43,320 --> 03:36:46,390
picture?

6185
03:36:46,400 --> 03:36:48,240
Where is that that on the left? That's

6186
03:36:48,240 --> 03:36:50,760
an that's a lot of coping, but some type

6187
03:36:50,760 --> 03:36:52,200
of cap there.

6188
03:36:52,200 --> 03:36:55,000
Um, it's put there to uh

6189
03:36:55,000 --> 03:36:57,560
or you know, there is a purpose to it to

6190
03:36:57,560 --> 03:37:00,760
shield the brick from um, rain, but it

6191
03:37:00,760 --> 03:37:03,040
is more historic to put some type of

6192
03:37:03,040 --> 03:37:04,960
coping around the top it doesn't

6193
03:37:04,960 --> 03:37:06,840
necessarily have to look like it was a

6194
03:37:06,840 --> 03:37:09,000
hundred years old, but that is a pretty

6195
03:37:09,000 --> 03:37:14,280
blank wall. Um, and I prefer I guess

6196
03:37:14,280 --> 03:37:16,040
that we stick to the real wood. That was

6197
03:37:16,040 --> 03:37:18,080
a huge discussion when we did the fire

6198
03:37:18,080 --> 03:37:24,400
station, but um, I don't think that it would prohibit me from approving it

6199
03:37:24,400 --> 03:37:26,280
without it because like you said it's

6200
03:37:26,280 --> 03:37:28,240
hard to see the difference, but once we

6201
03:37:28,240 --> 03:37:30,080
go down that road

6202
03:37:30,080 --> 03:37:32,920
it's hard to bring it back. So,

6203
03:37:32,920 --> 03:37:35,320
um, that's just a personal comment. I

6204
03:37:35,320 --> 03:37:36,680
don't know what we'd include in the

6205
03:37:36,680 --> 03:37:38,880
motion and how many of us feel strongly

6206
03:37:38,880 --> 03:37:40,440
one way or the other about wood versus

6207
03:37:40,440 --> 03:37:40,920
metal.

6208
03:37:40,920 --> 03:37:43,400
>> I think that can go in. I think um,

6209
03:37:43,400 --> 03:37:45,480
for me from reading the comments, there

6210
03:37:45,480 --> 03:37:47,920
were you know, safety was a huge issue

6211
03:37:47,920 --> 03:37:49,840
on that intersection.

6212
03:37:49,840 --> 03:37:52,560
Um, and when I think about it, if there

6213
03:37:52,560 --> 03:37:54,960
were a home going in, you think about it

6214
03:37:54,960 --> 03:37:57,400
most homes have um

6215
03:37:57,400 --> 03:38:00,040
two cars if not more.

6216
03:38:00,040 --> 03:38:02,600
And then um, an average person makes

6217
03:38:02,600 --> 03:38:05,160
like what 5.6 trips a day.

6218
03:38:05,160 --> 03:38:06,440
So, you're talking about people going in

6219
03:38:06,440 --> 03:38:09,440
and out of that home that many times.

6220
03:38:09,440 --> 03:38:11,280
My understanding from this business and

6221
03:38:11,280 --> 03:38:13,240
it could change, but I feel like this is

6222
03:38:13,240 --> 03:38:15,840
a very niche market that they are

6223
03:38:15,840 --> 03:38:17,520
catering to.

6224
03:38:17,520 --> 03:38:19,880
And that if you have 12 customers a

6225
03:38:19,880 --> 03:38:22,000
month, so that's 12 trips a month, not

6226
03:38:22,000 --> 03:38:23,680
hundreds a month

6227
03:38:23,680 --> 03:38:25,280
um

6228
03:38:25,280 --> 03:38:28,760
of cars coming in and out. That is so

6229
03:38:28,760 --> 03:38:30,240
much less.

6230
03:38:30,240 --> 03:38:32,720
I understand um

6231
03:38:32,720 --> 03:38:34,160
the misunderstanding about the

6232
03:38:34,160 --> 03:38:36,400
residential and commercial.

6233
03:38:36,400 --> 03:38:39,200
But, Marvin, I believe his home used to

6234
03:38:39,200 --> 03:38:41,560
be a store in Alpine. So, it would

6235
03:38:41,560 --> 03:38:44,200
There's historical that it was

6236
03:38:44,200 --> 03:38:46,200
commercial back then, so it's nothing

6237
03:38:46,200 --> 03:38:48,240
new. And I think when they did the

6238
03:38:48,240 --> 03:38:50,360
zoning, you know, as Brett mentioned

6239
03:38:50,360 --> 03:38:53,880
that it has existed a long time, and I think

6240
03:38:53,880 --> 03:38:55,240
maybe

6241
03:38:55,240 --> 03:38:57,920
the hope was that we could encourage

6242
03:38:57,920 --> 03:39:00,200
small businesses like this, boutique

6243
03:39:00,200 --> 03:39:02,240
businesses that aren't going to draw a

6244
03:39:02,240 --> 03:39:06,000
ton of traffic into our city and cause a

6245
03:39:06,000 --> 03:39:09,720
safety hazard or a traffic hazard or be

6246
03:39:09,720 --> 03:39:12,560
a nuisance to the surrounding neighbors

6247
03:39:12,560 --> 03:39:15,880
that, um, and at the same time

6248
03:39:15,880 --> 03:39:20,600
allows the city to, um, gain as far as

6249
03:39:20,600 --> 03:39:22,920
being able to collect on 100% of the

6250
03:39:22,920 --> 03:39:24,920
property tax value.

6251
03:39:24,920 --> 03:39:27,200
And, um, because it's not a primary

6252
03:39:27,200 --> 03:39:29,400
residence except for a portion of it.

6253
03:39:29,400 --> 03:39:30,440
And

6254
03:39:30,440 --> 03:39:32,400
it's a business that it's a point of

6255
03:39:32,400 --> 03:39:34,640
sales that will be in Alpine that will

6256
03:39:34,640 --> 03:39:36,520
also allow us to collect sales tax

6257
03:39:36,520 --> 03:39:37,600
revenue.

6258
03:39:37,600 --> 03:39:40,720
But, not impact our city where it's not

6259
03:39:40,720 --> 03:39:42,240
a Mountain View. It's not bringing

6260
03:39:42,240 --> 03:39:46,040
hundreds of cars. So, for me

6261
03:39:46,040 --> 03:39:48,080
looking at this

6262
03:39:48,080 --> 03:39:49,720
and we already have the owners that are

6263
03:39:49,720 --> 03:39:52,640
willing to work and, you know, I feel

6264
03:39:52,640 --> 03:39:54,360
like they're being very respectful and

6265
03:39:54,360 --> 03:39:56,920
responsive as far as the design and

6266
03:39:56,920 --> 03:40:00,000
willing to work with us, um, you know,

6267
03:40:00,000 --> 03:40:03,600
I actually like, um, both of the AI

6268
03:40:03,600 --> 03:40:05,960
renderings that both the owner and I

6269
03:40:05,960 --> 03:40:07,920
forget the lady's name that did the

6270
03:40:07,920 --> 03:40:09,120
other one.

6271
03:40:09,120 --> 03:40:11,160
Who Is she here?

6272
03:40:11,160 --> 03:40:12,800
Oh, I'm sorry. I thought it was female

6273
03:40:12,800 --> 03:40:15,000
name.

6274
03:40:15,000 --> 03:40:16,040
>> Thanks for that.

6275
03:40:16,040 --> 03:40:20,040
>> But, yes. Um, so, you know, I appreciate

6276
03:40:20,040 --> 03:40:21,600
it's going to be up to council. I don't

6277
03:40:21,600 --> 03:40:23,400
know if you guys know, as a mayor, I do

6278
03:40:23,400 --> 03:40:24,880
not get to vote. That's why I haven't

6279
03:40:24,880 --> 03:40:27,960
voted all night, um, unless it's a tie.

6280
03:40:27,960 --> 03:40:30,760
So, someone has to not be here. So, I

6281
03:40:30,760 --> 03:40:33,440
would strongly urge council to take all

6282
03:40:33,440 --> 03:40:36,520
of that into consideration and, um, like

6283
03:40:36,520 --> 03:40:38,200
I said, the willingness. I think if you

6284
03:40:38,200 --> 03:40:39,600
make your motion and make it very

6285
03:40:39,600 --> 03:40:41,800
specific,

6286
03:40:41,800 --> 03:40:43,600
you get all the elements that you want,

6287
03:40:43,600 --> 03:40:46,920
but also keep in mind that, you know,

6288
03:40:46,920 --> 03:40:50,000
it has to be within reason, too. Um,

6289
03:40:50,000 --> 03:40:51,400
but make sure

6290
03:40:51,400 --> 03:40:53,280
I can do that. Are there any further

6291
03:40:53,280 --> 03:40:54,480
questions? If not, I

6292
03:40:54,480 --> 03:40:56,200
>> Well, I have one more comment. I forgot.

6293
03:40:56,200 --> 03:40:57,880
I sent Kaden, can you pull that image

6294
03:40:57,880 --> 03:41:01,440
up? This goes to Chrissy's comment about

6295
03:41:01,440 --> 03:41:05,040
kind of once we open that door to

6296
03:41:05,040 --> 03:41:07,760
materials outside of natural, it kind of

6297
03:41:07,760 --> 03:41:09,800
takes on a life of its own. So, I did an

6298
03:41:09,800 --> 03:41:11,040
audit

6299
03:41:11,040 --> 03:41:14,200
of all of our commercial businesses.

6300
03:41:14,200 --> 03:41:16,800
And what you're seeing is all the blue

6301
03:41:16,800 --> 03:41:18,560
dots

6302
03:41:18,560 --> 03:41:20,600
meet our current standards of natural

6303
03:41:20,600 --> 03:41:22,640
wood, brick,

6304
03:41:22,640 --> 03:41:23,720
um,

6305
03:41:23,720 --> 03:41:26,360
those features, stone, but we have two.

6306
03:41:26,360 --> 03:41:28,000
So, if you kind of zoom back out, that

6307
03:41:28,000 --> 03:41:30,320
have metal. And now metal all of a

6308
03:41:30,320 --> 03:41:32,240
sudden is kind of taking on a life of

6309
03:41:32,240 --> 03:41:36,040
its own. So, we really the standards

6310
03:41:36,040 --> 03:41:38,760
were put in place so that when all these

6311
03:41:38,760 --> 03:41:41,000
new materials come up that may be bigger

6312
03:41:41,000 --> 03:41:42,160
or better,

6313
03:41:42,160 --> 03:41:44,480
but don't represent our identity, we

6314
03:41:44,480 --> 03:41:47,840
have a way to say that's maybe great on

6315
03:41:47,840 --> 03:41:49,360
other commercial buildings, but for

6316
03:41:49,360 --> 03:41:50,560
Alpine,

6317
03:41:50,560 --> 03:41:52,560
this is our identity. This is who we

6318
03:41:52,560 --> 03:41:55,560
are. This is how we build here. And I

6319
03:41:55,560 --> 03:41:57,520
excited to have a business that wants to

6320
03:41:57,520 --> 03:41:59,760
build something here, and, you know,

6321
03:41:59,760 --> 03:42:01,440
they live here, too. So, I'm sure they

6322
03:42:01,440 --> 03:42:03,560
want to stay within,

6323
03:42:03,560 --> 03:42:05,480
um, the years and years and years of

6324
03:42:05,480 --> 03:42:08,080
effort that's gone into creating a

6325
03:42:08,080 --> 03:42:10,040
historic downtown

6326
03:42:10,040 --> 03:42:12,440
that brings people from all over,

6327
03:42:12,440 --> 03:42:13,880
you know, actually the world to move

6328
03:42:13,880 --> 03:42:14,800
here.

6329
03:42:14,800 --> 03:42:16,320
>> I understand what you're saying as far

6330
03:42:16,320 --> 03:42:18,520
as the materials, but let's be very

6331
03:42:18,520 --> 03:42:20,000
clear.

6332
03:42:20,000 --> 03:42:21,880
The materials that mimic natural

6333
03:42:21,880 --> 03:42:24,280
materials are currently allowed in our

6334
03:42:24,280 --> 03:42:25,840
guidelines.

6335
03:42:25,840 --> 03:42:27,880
>> No, it's the language exactly. The legal

6336
03:42:27,880 --> 03:42:30,240
language says may be considered. So,

6337
03:42:30,240 --> 03:42:33,120
again, it's us as a council

6338
03:42:33,120 --> 03:42:35,440
to evaluate and to determine are we

6339
03:42:35,440 --> 03:42:37,840
wanting to move away from our basic

6340
03:42:37,840 --> 03:42:41,240
identity of a historical

6341
03:42:41,240 --> 03:42:42,520
city. So.

6342
03:42:42,520 --> 03:42:44,800
>> And that's it. But, like I said, he said

6343
03:42:44,800 --> 03:42:46,840
he was willing to work with it. So, if

6344
03:42:46,840 --> 03:42:48,240
you have a motion

6345
03:42:48,240 --> 03:42:49,000
>> I have a motion.

6346
03:42:49,000 --> 03:42:49,600
>> Yes, please.

6347
03:42:49,600 --> 03:42:50,160
>> Okay.

6348
03:42:50,160 --> 03:42:50,880
>> Oh.

6349
03:42:50,880 --> 03:42:51,440
>> Go for it.

6350
03:42:51,440 --> 03:42:53,360
>> I move to table the proposed Long Range

6351
03:42:53,360 --> 03:42:55,280
Shooters of Utah commercial site plan to

6352
03:42:55,280 --> 03:42:56,800
a future meeting in order to allow

6353
03:42:56,800 --> 03:42:58,560
additional time to address parking

6354
03:42:58,560 --> 03:43:00,160
requirements and to redesign the

6355
03:43:00,160 --> 03:43:02,720
elevation and exterior materials to

6356
03:43:02,720 --> 03:43:04,120
comply with the Gateway Historic

6357
03:43:04,120 --> 03:43:06,160
District design guidelines and standards

6358
03:43:06,160 --> 03:43:08,520
adhering to the following. Mimics

6359
03:43:08,520 --> 03:43:10,880
details of older buildings.

6360
03:43:10,880 --> 03:43:13,680
Uses similar materials. Include design

6361
03:43:13,680 --> 03:43:15,760
features on blank walls.

6362
03:43:15,760 --> 03:43:18,400
Decorative treatment for flat roofs.

6363
03:43:18,400 --> 03:43:20,840
Um use of wood instead of metal. And I

6364
03:43:20,840 --> 03:43:22,960
think the last one was a tree every 20

6365
03:43:22,960 --> 03:43:25,400
ft in the park strip.

6366
03:43:25,400 --> 03:43:27,360
>> And I think that was our That last one

6367
03:43:27,360 --> 03:43:28,680
was already in our ordinance.

6368
03:43:28,680 --> 03:43:30,120
>> Okay. Perfect.

6369
03:43:30,120 --> 03:43:31,600
>> stated.

6370
03:43:31,600 --> 03:43:33,680
>> Okay, there's a motion on the table. Is

6371
03:43:33,680 --> 03:43:39,350
there a second?

6372
03:43:39,360 --> 03:43:41,280
Motion fails.

6373
03:43:41,280 --> 03:43:42,480
Okay.

6374
03:43:42,480 --> 03:43:46,190
>> I'll second that.

6375
03:43:46,200 --> 03:43:48,480
» Okay, moved by Councilwoman Blackwell,

6376
03:43:48,480 --> 03:43:50,280
seconded by

6377
03:43:50,280 --> 03:43:52,600
Councilwoman Hanneman. Is there any

6378
03:43:52,600 --> 03:43:53,640
questions

6379
03:43:53,640 --> 03:43:55,280
>> Would you be willing to add a couple

6380
03:43:55,280 --> 03:43:56,880
amendments to it?

6381
03:43:56,880 --> 03:43:59,640
>> What are they?

6382
03:43:59,640 --> 03:44:02,590
>> Um

6383
03:44:02,600 --> 03:44:04,280
because it is on the border, this is the

6384
03:44:04,280 --> 03:44:05,840
reason. Because it is on the border of

6385
03:44:05,840 --> 03:44:08,240
commercial and residential

6386
03:44:08,240 --> 03:44:10,160
that

6387
03:44:10,160 --> 03:44:13,520
the character of that neighborhood be

6388
03:44:13,520 --> 03:44:16,200
considered in its design.

6389
03:44:16,200 --> 03:44:18,320
I know that you gave specifics about

6390
03:44:18,320 --> 03:44:21,120
height and parking.

6391
03:44:21,120 --> 03:44:23,024
But the character isn't always defined

6392
03:44:23,024 --> 03:44:25,640
[clears throat] so easily just with

6393
03:44:25,640 --> 03:44:26,480
a number.

6394
03:44:26,480 --> 03:44:29,040
>> But there is a home just down the street

6395
03:44:29,040 --> 03:44:30,760
from there that kind of looks like this

6396
03:44:30,760 --> 03:44:32,760
building. There's a brick with dark

6397
03:44:32,760 --> 03:44:34,160
windows.

6398
03:44:34,160 --> 03:44:36,040
It's You know that, right?

6399
03:44:36,040 --> 03:44:37,960
>> Uh

6400
03:44:37,960 --> 03:44:40,000
Well, either way

6401
03:44:40,000 --> 03:44:42,920
One thing that happens is no one elected

6402
03:44:42,920 --> 03:44:45,720
us to be like expert ordinance

6403
03:44:45,720 --> 03:44:47,640
followers.

6404
03:44:47,640 --> 03:44:49,160
We aren't Otherwise, we would have a

6405
03:44:49,160 --> 03:44:51,360
requirement to be a lawyer.

6406
03:44:51,360 --> 03:44:52,920
>> Wait, that's why I got elected.

6407
03:44:52,920 --> 03:44:53,920
>> Right.

6408
03:44:53,920 --> 03:44:54,720
>> It was the only reason.

6409
03:44:54,720 --> 03:44:56,240
>> So, Chrissy likes to bring up the

6410
03:44:56,240 --> 03:44:58,160
Constitution. Well, the first part of it

6411
03:44:58,160 --> 03:45:00,400
is the people.

6412
03:45:00,400 --> 03:45:01,400
>> Can we

6413
03:45:01,400 --> 03:45:03,520
I know. No, we don't need Let's

6414
03:45:03,520 --> 03:45:05,080
Questions on the motion.

6415
03:45:05,080 --> 03:45:07,240
>> So, you said hold on.

6416
03:45:07,240 --> 03:45:09,000
You said, "Are you willing to amend the

6417
03:45:09,000 --> 03:45:11,480
motion to consider the

6418
03:45:11,480 --> 03:45:13,000
>> I will I will say it specifically. Are

6419
03:45:13,000 --> 03:45:13,640
you willing to amend

6420
03:45:13,640 --> 03:45:14,480
>> characteristics of the neighborhood? Do

6421
03:45:14,480 --> 03:45:14,600
you

6422
03:45:14,600 --> 03:45:16,920
>> characteristics of the neighborhood and

6423
03:45:16,920 --> 03:45:18,880
a compromise with the residents that

6424
03:45:18,880 --> 03:45:20,120
live close by.

6425
03:45:20,120 --> 03:45:22,600
>> Okay, first question. Do you feel like

6426
03:45:22,600 --> 03:45:24,480
the historic guidelines and the things

6427
03:45:24,480 --> 03:45:27,840
that we outlined are enough to fit

6428
03:45:27,840 --> 03:45:28,880
within the character of the

6429
03:45:28,880 --> 03:45:29,560
neighborhood?

6430
03:45:29,560 --> 03:45:32,040
>> Yes, with exception of the concerns

6431
03:45:32,040 --> 03:45:34,560
they've brought up are not all addressed

6432
03:45:34,560 --> 03:45:35,360
in that.

6433
03:45:35,360 --> 03:45:36,720
>> Design concerns?

6434
03:45:36,720 --> 03:45:39,160
>> There's more than those concerns.

6435
03:45:39,160 --> 03:45:42,640
And so, many residents, including the

6436
03:45:42,640 --> 03:45:45,120
school nearby and several others, have

6437
03:45:45,120 --> 03:45:47,440
brought up other concerns as well.

6438
03:45:47,440 --> 03:45:49,880
>> For design, I just feel like if if we're

6439
03:45:49,880 --> 03:45:51,400
asking them to change, we have to be

6440
03:45:51,400 --> 03:45:53,680
able to cite and reference where in our

6441
03:45:53,680 --> 03:45:57,080
city documents those are required. I

6442
03:45:57,080 --> 03:45:59,120
don't But if there's something specific

6443
03:45:59,120 --> 03:46:00,560
>> No, I think you know all the specifics.

6444
03:46:00,560 --> 03:46:01,920
I would just say the nature of that

6445
03:46:01,920 --> 03:46:03,600
neighborhood because it is a unique

6446
03:46:03,600 --> 03:46:04,920
area. You're not in the middle of

6447
03:46:04,920 --> 03:46:05,760
commercial.

6448
03:46:05,760 --> 03:46:06,200
>> Yeah.

6449
03:46:06,200 --> 03:46:08,160
>> You're on the edge of commercial into

6450
03:46:08,160 --> 03:46:10,120
residential.

6451
03:46:10,120 --> 03:46:12,480
>> Sarah, there is a standard, I think,

6452
03:46:12,480 --> 03:46:14,160
that you're asking about and I think

6453
03:46:14,160 --> 03:46:15,600
what he's saying, if you haven't already

6454
03:46:15,600 --> 03:46:18,480
included it, it says new structures

6455
03:46:18,480 --> 03:46:20,880
should relate to the fundamental

6456
03:46:20,880 --> 03:46:23,920
characteristics of the district.

6457
03:46:23,920 --> 03:46:25,200
>> Yeah, that would help.

6458
03:46:25,200 --> 03:46:28,240
>> actually specific under the standards in

6459
03:46:28,240 --> 03:46:29,200
our

6460
03:46:29,200 --> 03:46:31,160
>> But but we know our standards are kind

6461
03:46:31,160 --> 03:46:32,120
of vague, so that's why

6462
03:46:32,120 --> 03:46:33,560
>> That's why it says district, so it

6463
03:46:33,560 --> 03:46:34,600
narrows it.

6464
03:46:34,600 --> 03:46:36,320
>> I'm saying it like

6465
03:46:36,320 --> 03:46:37,600
how do we define that?

6466
03:46:37,600 --> 03:46:40,520
>> We define it by its narrow of what's

6467
03:46:40,520 --> 03:46:41,320
around it.

6468
03:46:41,320 --> 03:46:42,800
>> For me it would be defined.

6469
03:46:42,800 --> 03:46:44,320
as a lot of

6470
03:46:44,320 --> 03:46:47,880
emails in support. So okay, the people.

6471
03:46:47,880 --> 03:46:48,920
Remember the Constitution? The

6472
03:46:48,920 --> 03:46:50,400
>> Okay, I'm going to trust that they want

6473
03:46:50,400 --> 03:46:51,800
to do business here.

6474
03:46:51,800 --> 03:46:53,400
>> owner who wants to bring a business

6475
03:46:53,400 --> 03:46:54,960
>> I know. I know.

6476
03:46:54,960 --> 03:46:56,360
>> They're Alpine residents.

6477
03:46:56,360 --> 03:46:56,800
>> I know.

6478
03:46:56,800 --> 03:46:58,480
>> Do you accept the amendment? Let's move

6479
03:46:58,480 --> 03:46:58,760
forward.

6480
03:46:58,760 --> 03:47:00,840
>> you be open to the language that's

6481
03:47:00,840 --> 03:47:03,320
already in our guideline to add that as

6482
03:47:03,320 --> 03:47:05,280
the amendment part? That new structures

6483
03:47:05,280 --> 03:47:06,360
should relate to the fundamental

6484
03:47:06,360 --> 03:47:07,880
characteristics of the district. It

6485
03:47:07,880 --> 03:47:10,240
doesn't cover is that just so it's

6486
03:47:10,240 --> 03:47:11,200
cited.

6487
03:47:11,200 --> 03:47:12,440
>> So do you accept this?

6488
03:47:12,440 --> 03:47:13,480
>> Yeah, yes, I do.

6489
03:47:13,480 --> 03:47:13,800
>> Thanks.

6490
03:47:13,800 --> 03:47:14,440
>> Okay, anything else?

6491
03:47:14,440 --> 03:47:15,560
>> And I don't.

6492
03:47:15,560 --> 03:47:16,400
>> What? Oh.

6493
03:47:16,400 --> 03:47:17,200
>> Okay, okay.

6494
03:47:17,200 --> 03:47:18,960
>> I I'm going to second. I'll second.

6495
03:47:18,960 --> 03:47:20,720
>> Can I Can I ask a question?

6496
03:47:20,720 --> 03:47:21,400
>> Actually

6497
03:47:21,400 --> 03:47:21,960
>> Too late.

6498
03:47:21,960 --> 03:47:23,040
>> say yes, question.

6499
03:47:23,040 --> 03:47:25,200
>> How would you How would you define the

6500
03:47:25,200 --> 03:47:26,760
district?

6501
03:47:26,760 --> 03:47:28,240
It could only It could only be the

6502
03:47:28,240 --> 03:47:30,520
commercial zone. And there's buildings

6503
03:47:30,520 --> 03:47:31,560
just like this.

6504
03:47:31,560 --> 03:47:33,560
>> So if you look at our right now we're

6505
03:47:33,560 --> 03:47:34,800
doing a

6506
03:47:34,800 --> 03:47:35,880
>> Okay, you can't

6507
03:47:35,880 --> 03:47:37,720
>> small area plan and it has

6508
03:47:37,720 --> 03:47:39,200
>> do that. This is a building that's come

6509
03:47:39,200 --> 03:47:41,760
in with our current

6510
03:47:41,760 --> 03:47:43,720
>> Absolutely. The question was how would

6511
03:47:43,720 --> 03:47:45,080
you define a district?

6512
03:47:45,080 --> 03:47:46,840
>> Right. No, no, character.

6513
03:47:46,840 --> 03:47:48,640
>> No, the word's district.

6514
03:47:48,640 --> 03:47:49,280
>> Yes, district.

6515
03:47:49,280 --> 03:47:51,960
>> In our ordinance it says district. Yeah,

6516
03:47:51,960 --> 03:47:54,640
it should and and so it would be defined

6517
03:47:54,640 --> 03:47:55,640
by

6518
03:47:55,640 --> 03:47:57,520
this district is transitional.

6519
03:47:57,520 --> 03:47:58,200
>> What that means?

6520
03:47:58,200 --> 03:47:58,680
>> Yeah.

6521
03:47:58,680 --> 03:48:00,320
>> We have a

6522
03:48:00,320 --> 03:48:00,720
>> area.

6523
03:48:00,720 --> 03:48:04,280
>> district that is heavily commercial

6524
03:48:04,280 --> 03:48:05,360
where we We

6525
03:48:05,360 --> 03:48:07,600
>> Is that in our zoning? I think it's

6526
03:48:07,600 --> 03:48:08,920
just commercial.

6527
03:48:08,920 --> 03:48:09,440
>> There's no

6528
03:48:09,440 --> 03:48:11,320
>> It's just business commercial. We have

6529
03:48:11,320 --> 03:48:12,920
only business commercial zoning. We

6530
03:48:12,920 --> 03:48:14,280
don't have anything. We don't have

6531
03:48:14,280 --> 03:48:16,360
transitional. We don't have anything.

6532
03:48:16,360 --> 03:48:18,040
>> I understand that you know what you guys

6533
03:48:18,040 --> 03:48:19,400
are saying, but right now we have a

6534
03:48:19,400 --> 03:48:20,560
motion.

6535
03:48:20,560 --> 03:48:21,040
>> What's commercial?

6536
03:48:21,040 --> 03:48:23,840
>> We have a proposed amendment. The second

6537
03:48:23,840 --> 03:48:27,080
does not accept that proposed amendment.

6538
03:48:27,080 --> 03:48:30,160
So, that amendment fails, correct?

6539
03:48:30,160 --> 03:48:31,400
>> Correct. It was not seconded.

6540
03:48:31,400 --> 03:48:32,560
>> Now, we need to vote on the original

6541
03:48:32,560 --> 03:48:32,920
motion.

6542
03:48:32,920 --> 03:48:34,800
>> Now, we need to vote on the original

6543
03:48:34,800 --> 03:48:36,360
motion.

6544
03:48:36,360 --> 03:48:39,870
>> Uh Andrew Young.

6545
03:48:39,880 --> 03:48:42,200
No.

6546
03:48:42,200 --> 03:48:45,910
Uh Brett Rumbold, yes.

6547
03:48:45,920 --> 03:48:47,080
» Can you reread

6548
03:48:47,080 --> 03:48:47,760
>> Mhm.

6549
03:48:47,760 --> 03:48:49,120
>> those items?

6550
03:48:49,120 --> 03:48:52,920
>> Um mimics details of older buildings,

6551
03:48:52,920 --> 03:48:55,160
uses similar materials,

6552
03:48:55,160 --> 03:48:58,240
includes design features on blank walls,

6553
03:48:58,240 --> 03:48:59,560
um

6554
03:48:59,560 --> 03:49:02,560
a decorative treatment for flat roofs,

6555
03:49:02,560 --> 03:49:08,750
use of wood instead of metal.

6556
03:49:08,760 --> 03:49:11,120
» Jessica Smeaton, yes.

6557
03:49:11,120 --> 03:49:12,240
>> Sarah Blackwell, yes.

6558
03:49:12,240 --> 03:49:15,160
>> Chrissy Annaman, yes.

6559
03:49:15,160 --> 03:49:23,590
>> Okay, motion passes.

6560
03:49:23,600 --> 03:49:25,480
Thank you everybody for enduring a long

6561
03:49:25,480 --> 03:49:28,040
meeting, but believe it or not

6562
03:49:28,040 --> 03:49:30,160
this is literally one of our shortest

6563
03:49:30,160 --> 03:49:34,150
meetings we've had this year.

6564
03:49:34,160 --> 03:49:37,720
But, I really do appreciate um all of

6565
03:49:37,720 --> 03:49:40,920
your inputs and your participation. Um

6566
03:49:40,920 --> 03:49:42,600
I hope you felt like your voices were

6567
03:49:42,600 --> 03:49:44,120
heard even though it wasn't physically

6568
03:49:44,120 --> 03:49:46,360
heard in this room, but I feel like

6569
03:49:46,360 --> 03:49:49,440
everybody applied that.

6570
03:49:49,440 --> 03:49:51,400
Um I have come to the realization that

6571
03:49:51,400 --> 03:49:53,040
not everyone is going to be happy cuz

6572
03:49:53,040 --> 03:49:55,040
I'm seeing a lot not a lot, but I'm

6573
03:49:55,040 --> 03:49:56,960
seeing a handful of unhappy faces.

6574
03:49:56,960 --> 03:49:58,400
Hopefully, you'll kind of understand

6575
03:49:58,400 --> 03:50:00,600
what the thought process was um

6576
03:50:00,600 --> 03:50:03,720
with council on all the agenda items and

6577
03:50:03,720 --> 03:50:05,120
if you have issues with that make your

6578
03:50:05,120 --> 03:50:08,400
voice heard. Send your emails in. Um, I

6579
03:50:08,400 --> 03:50:11,040
do read them all and I know

6580
03:50:11,040 --> 03:50:14,360
most everybody else does also.

6581
03:50:14,360 --> 03:50:17,040
So, thank you. Um, with that we'll go on

6582
03:50:17,040 --> 03:50:18,720
to

6583
03:50:18,720 --> 03:50:23,550
staff reports. Chief?

6584
03:50:23,560 --> 03:50:27,190
Patton?

6585
03:50:27,200 --> 03:50:29,760
Actually, I did have a question.

6586
03:50:29,760 --> 03:50:32,040
Are we at stage one

6587
03:50:32,040 --> 03:50:39,110
for fire restrictions?

6588
03:50:39,120 --> 03:50:40,840
No fireworks.

6589
03:50:40,840 --> 03:50:43,390
Yes.

6590
03:50:43,400 --> 03:50:46,760
» The state is at state one stage one. And

6591
03:50:46,760 --> 03:50:49,440
I'm when I say the state, so the like

6592
03:50:49,440 --> 03:50:51,600
the federal lands, forest, and those

6593
03:50:51,600 --> 03:50:54,560
types of things are not in stage one.

6594
03:50:54,560 --> 03:50:56,200
>> Right.

6595
03:50:56,200 --> 03:50:57,800
But the state is and from what my

6596
03:50:57,800 --> 03:50:58,280
>> is.

6597
03:50:58,280 --> 03:51:03,520
>> But my understanding of this

6598
03:51:03,520 --> 03:51:06,360
um, state stage one is that or my

6599
03:51:06,360 --> 03:51:07,840
understanding of the state's definition

6600
03:51:07,840 --> 03:51:10,880
of stage one it said no fireworks. But

6601
03:51:10,880 --> 03:51:12,440
then it also it seems like there's a

6602
03:51:12,440 --> 03:51:13,960
caveat. Yeah, cuz it says no

6603
03:51:13,960 --> 03:51:16,040
combustibles, no launching.

6604
03:51:16,040 --> 03:51:18,800
>> In on state lands.

6605
03:51:18,800 --> 03:51:21,800
>> But and then that it does not spill over

6606
03:51:21,800 --> 03:51:25,560
onto municipalities or privately held

6607
03:51:25,560 --> 03:51:26,720
lands

6608
03:51:26,720 --> 03:51:28,920
in state or unincorporated various

6609
03:51:28,920 --> 03:51:30,640
counties that are off of the stage one.

6610
03:51:30,640 --> 03:51:31,520
Is that correct?

6611
03:51:31,520 --> 03:51:31,960
>> Yes.

6612
03:51:31,960 --> 03:51:32,880
>> Okay.

6613
03:51:32,880 --> 03:51:35,880
>> So, a municipality can't

6614
03:51:35,880 --> 03:51:39,720
all like flat out ban fireworks.

6615
03:51:39,720 --> 03:51:42,000
So, we have our fireworks map which

6616
03:51:42,000 --> 03:51:44,880
shows our places where we've either had

6617
03:51:44,880 --> 03:51:48,120
historical problems or drainages, places

6618
03:51:48,120 --> 03:51:50,360
that influence the water,

6619
03:51:50,360 --> 03:51:51,120
um,

6620
03:51:51,120 --> 03:51:54,200
run off or any of those types of things.

6621
03:51:54,200 --> 03:51:56,400
But as a municipality we cannot just

6622
03:51:56,400 --> 03:51:59,920
come out and say banned.

6623
03:51:59,920 --> 03:52:01,480
>> Okay, I just wanted that clarification.

6624
03:52:01,480 --> 03:52:03,280
I've had a lot of people reach out to me

6625
03:52:03,280 --> 03:52:05,720
and my understanding was always that the

6626
03:52:05,720 --> 03:52:08,080
state law prohibits us from banning

6627
03:52:08,080 --> 03:52:09,160
citywide.

6628
03:52:09,160 --> 03:52:09,880
>> Yes.

6629
03:52:09,880 --> 03:52:11,840
>> They have very strict regulations on

6630
03:52:11,840 --> 03:52:15,000
what we can ban and our city has taken

6631
03:52:15,000 --> 03:52:18,320
upon itself to ban as much as is allowed

6632
03:52:18,320 --> 03:52:19,440
by the state law.

6633
03:52:19,440 --> 03:52:20,080
>> Yes.

6634
03:52:20,080 --> 03:52:21,840
>> And then if you have any other

6635
03:52:21,840 --> 03:52:24,080
suggestions to our map to increase it,

6636
03:52:24,080 --> 03:52:25,880
we would have we'd appreciate it.

6637
03:52:25,880 --> 03:52:26,720
>> Yeah.

6638
03:52:26,720 --> 03:52:27,200
I don't

6639
03:52:27,200 --> 03:52:27,840
>> But I don't know

6640
03:52:27,840 --> 03:52:30,480
>> look at it, but uh quite honestly, I

6641
03:52:30,480 --> 03:52:33,520
think it's it comes down to

6642
03:52:33,520 --> 03:52:36,000
self-policing and potentially policing

6643
03:52:36,000 --> 03:52:39,040
your neighborhoods, your neighbors, and

6644
03:52:39,040 --> 03:52:40,800
I would love to not see any fireworks go

6645
03:52:40,800 --> 03:52:41,640
off in Alpine.

6646
03:52:41,640 --> 03:52:42,640
>> Yeah, I know.

6647
03:52:42,640 --> 03:52:43,080
>> But

6648
03:52:43,080 --> 03:52:44,760
>> I don't know that that's an option.

6649
03:52:44,760 --> 03:52:45,960
>> So, does that mean we're not doing

6650
03:52:45,960 --> 03:52:48,840
fireworks at Alpine Days? Is that just

6651
03:52:48,840 --> 03:52:49,840
to confirm that?

6652
03:52:49,840 --> 03:52:51,560
>> No, we're doing fireworks at Alpine

6653
03:52:51,560 --> 03:52:56,240
Days, but the fire But the fire department

6654
03:52:56,240 --> 03:52:57,680
will be there.

6655
03:52:57,680 --> 03:52:58,360
>> Okay.

6656
03:52:58,360 --> 03:53:01,160
>> They've They've been there every year.

6657
03:53:01,160 --> 03:53:01,840
Mhm.

6658
03:53:01,840 --> 03:53:03,680
>> I heard the governor the other day in an

6659
03:53:03,680 --> 03:53:06,280
interview just couple days ago and

6660
03:53:06,280 --> 03:53:08,120
he said, "I can't I don't have the

6661
03:53:08,120 --> 03:53:10,961
ability to ban fireworks in the state,

6662
03:53:10,961 --> 03:53:11,200
>> [clears throat]

6663
03:53:11,200 --> 03:53:15,240
>> but he says I'm suggesting it's a bad idea this year

6664
03:53:15,240 --> 03:53:17,440
and to leave it to the professionals."

6665
03:53:17,440 --> 03:53:18,520
Is the way he put it.

6666
03:53:18,520 --> 03:53:19,480
>> Leave it to the professionals.

6667
03:53:19,480 --> 03:53:19,960
>> Yeah.

6668
03:53:19,960 --> 03:53:21,880
>> Chief, while you're up, since we have

6669
03:53:21,880 --> 03:53:23,800
some budget coming up for some fire

6670
03:53:23,800 --> 03:53:26,000
mitigation, if you have any areas you'd

6671
03:53:26,000 --> 03:53:27,440
like done,

6672
03:53:27,440 --> 03:53:28,520
if you could let us know, that'd be

6673
03:53:28,520 --> 03:53:30,360
really helpful. If you notice any areas

6674
03:53:30,360 --> 03:53:31,720
that you're like, "This needs" I know of

6675
03:53:31,720 --> 03:53:33,680
one that needs to be done

6676
03:53:33,680 --> 03:53:36,000
on state or or city land, but if you

6677
03:53:36,000 --> 03:53:38,080
know of any others, let us know.

6678
03:53:38,080 --> 03:53:39,200
>> I'd start with that one.

6679
03:53:39,200 --> 03:53:40,280
>> Okay. That's the first one I'm going to

6680
03:53:40,280 --> 03:53:41,680
do.

6681
03:53:41,680 --> 03:53:42,880
>> Um

6682
03:53:42,880 --> 03:53:43,920
Okay.

6683
03:53:43,920 --> 03:53:44,400
I can

6684
03:53:44,400 --> 03:53:46,040
>> Wait, is this the pile of wood that you

6685
03:53:46,040 --> 03:53:47,160
left? Like

6686
03:53:47,160 --> 03:53:50,560
>> Well, hold on. A neighborhood

6687
03:53:50,560 --> 03:53:52,920
put Yes, I was part of it.

6688
03:53:52,920 --> 03:53:54,840
>> the city provided dumpsters for you to

6689
03:53:54,840 --> 03:53:56,120
put all that wood in and then

6690
03:53:56,120 --> 03:53:57,240
>> I I

6691
03:53:57,240 --> 03:53:58,800
this is I'm so glad you're bringing this

6692
03:53:58,800 --> 03:54:00,560
up. I'm so glad you're bringing this up.

6693
03:54:00,560 --> 03:54:03,720
We filled the dumpsters times eight. The

6694
03:54:03,720 --> 03:54:06,080
rest is left over. All of that, or I

6695
03:54:06,080 --> 03:54:08,160
would say half of it, was on city land,

6696
03:54:08,160 --> 03:54:09,200
so we cleared it to a place where we

6697
03:54:09,200 --> 03:54:11,160
could move it. It would have been in a

6698
03:54:11,160 --> 03:54:13,880
ravine all like locked up and very

6699
03:54:13,880 --> 03:54:15,720
dangerous. So, it's in a safer spot than

6700
03:54:15,720 --> 03:54:18,160
it was now. It was there still for the

6701
03:54:18,160 --> 03:54:21,480
last 20 years. Just in a terrible ravine

6702
03:54:21,480 --> 03:54:23,560
with a kids fort that they go down there

6703
03:54:23,560 --> 03:54:25,920
and they play, and we cleared it out of

6704
03:54:25,920 --> 03:54:26,920
there

6705
03:54:26,920 --> 03:54:28,840
and off of the city land, and yes, it is

6706
03:54:28,840 --> 03:54:29,800
still a pile.

6707
03:54:29,800 --> 03:54:31,560
>> I will remind us we have 5 minutes.

6708
03:54:31,560 --> 03:54:32,680
>> Yes, okay.

6709
03:54:32,680 --> 03:54:33,760
>> Okay, I

6710
03:54:33,760 --> 03:54:34,360
>> I had to explain.

6711
03:54:34,360 --> 03:54:36,160
>> No, okay. Thank you, Chief. I appreciate

6712
03:54:36,160 --> 03:54:38,240
your comments. Um, hopefully we'll be

6713
03:54:38,240 --> 03:54:40,320
able to get that messaging out.

6714
03:54:40,320 --> 03:54:41,360
You can

6715
03:54:41,360 --> 03:54:43,560
Caden, do you have anything?

6716
03:54:43,560 --> 03:54:45,240
>> Um, I'll just say that

6717
03:54:45,240 --> 03:54:47,320
uh, the two council members that

6718
03:54:47,320 --> 03:54:48,880
sponsored, or at least put forward the

6719
03:54:48,880 --> 03:54:51,120
desire for a fence amendment,

6720
03:54:51,120 --> 03:54:52,920
uh, we've been working on that, and I

6721
03:54:52,920 --> 03:54:54,200
sent it to both of them, waiting for

6722
03:54:54,200 --> 03:54:55,640
comment back

6723
03:54:55,640 --> 03:54:57,320
uh, to see what we want to do with that.

6724
03:54:57,320 --> 03:54:58,400
And then

6725
03:54:58,400 --> 03:55:01,120
the survey for the golf carts is going

6726
03:55:01,120 --> 03:55:02,840
to go out with the next news line.

6727
03:55:02,840 --> 03:55:03,680
>> Thank you for doing that.

6728
03:55:03,680 --> 03:55:06,000
>> Um, as well as social media. Heidi and I

6729
03:55:06,000 --> 03:55:07,200
have been working on that. I think it

6730
03:55:07,200 --> 03:55:09,600
was sent to you, Mayor, to review if you

6731
03:55:09,600 --> 03:55:11,720
approved of the questions on that.

6732
03:55:11,720 --> 03:55:14,120
I think Heidi

6733
03:55:14,120 --> 03:55:16,560
Okay, Heidi's going to send that.

6734
03:55:16,560 --> 03:55:17,680
But that will go out with the next news

6735
03:55:17,680 --> 03:55:20,110
line.

6736
03:55:20,120 --> 03:55:21,400
» Shane.

6737
03:55:21,400 --> 03:55:22,440
>> Uh,

6738
03:55:22,440 --> 03:55:24,840
so our chip seal the chip seal part of

6739
03:55:24,840 --> 03:55:26,960
our project is done and the sealcoat

6740
03:55:26,960 --> 03:55:30,520
part has started. So, another

6741
03:55:30,520 --> 03:55:32,840
I don't know, a week or 10 days, that

6742
03:55:32,840 --> 03:55:35,440
should be complete.

6743
03:55:35,440 --> 03:55:37,800
It'll round out our projects for this

6744
03:55:37,800 --> 03:55:38,960
year.

6745
03:55:38,960 --> 03:55:40,680
And then we'll be starting

6746
03:55:40,680 --> 03:55:41,360
>> all over again

6747
03:55:41,360 --> 03:55:43,120
>> in about a week.

6748
03:55:43,120 --> 03:55:46,040
>> For 2000 or 2027 projects.

6749
03:55:46,040 --> 03:55:46,800
>> Yep.

6750
03:55:46,800 --> 03:55:48,000
>> Thank you.

6751
03:55:48,000 --> 03:55:49,720
All right.

6752
03:55:49,720 --> 03:55:52,990
>> No updates.

6753
03:55:53,000 --> 03:55:55,400
» I have one. The Chamber of Commerce is

6754
03:55:55,400 --> 03:55:57,680
bringing back online the welcome wagon,

6755
03:55:57,680 --> 03:55:59,040
which is going to be so amazing, and

6756
03:55:59,040 --> 03:56:00,960
they asked if the city would like to

6757
03:56:00,960 --> 03:56:03,840
provide the bags, and so I got someone

6758
03:56:03,840 --> 03:56:05,720
that's willing to sponsor it, and I just

6759
03:56:05,720 --> 03:56:07,440
want to do the big reveal.

6760
03:56:07,440 --> 03:56:08,160
>> Oh.

6761
03:56:08,160 --> 03:56:10,600
>> And look how cute it is. So, they're

6762
03:56:10,600 --> 03:56:13,480
going to go to every new move-in, and

6763
03:56:13,480 --> 03:56:14,600
that good old-fashioned

6764
03:56:14,600 --> 03:56:15,040
>> Oh.

6765
03:56:15,040 --> 03:56:17,400
>> welcome wagon, all include a letter from

6766
03:56:17,400 --> 03:56:19,480
the city saying

6767
03:56:19,480 --> 03:56:22,200
all about Alpine history, and

6768
03:56:22,200 --> 03:56:23,680
welcome, and if you want to serve, we

6769
03:56:23,680 --> 03:56:25,280
have all these great committees, and so

6770
03:56:25,280 --> 03:56:27,520
that will be our contribution.

6771
03:56:27,520 --> 03:56:29,160
So, it's it's exciting. It'll come

6772
03:56:29,160 --> 03:56:30,760
online July 1st.

6773
03:56:30,760 --> 03:56:31,680
>> Perfect. Thank you.

6774
03:56:31,680 --> 03:56:32,360
>> Congrats.

6775
03:56:32,360 --> 03:56:35,040
>> Um water committee, we've we've working

6776
03:56:35,040 --> 03:56:36,880
on distribution of flyers, so if anyone

6777
03:56:36,880 --> 03:56:38,480
wants to volunteer to go door to door

6778
03:56:38,480 --> 03:56:41,160
and pass those out, let me know.

6779
03:56:41,160 --> 03:56:42,320
>> Thank you. Chrissy.

6780
03:56:42,320 --> 03:56:44,080
>> I have nothing.

6781
03:56:44,080 --> 03:56:44,720
>> Andrew.

6782
03:56:44,720 --> 03:56:45,520
>> Uh

6783
03:56:45,520 --> 03:56:46,920
you know, I'll just say nothing other

6784
03:56:46,920 --> 03:56:48,120
than

6785
03:56:48,120 --> 03:56:51,960
uh we've got about a week to 2 weeks the

6786
03:56:51,960 --> 03:56:54,480
chief can let us know where even trying

6787
03:56:54,480 --> 03:56:57,680
to do fire mitigation is more dangerous

6788
03:56:57,680 --> 03:57:00,560
than um not doing it, cuz you stand to

6789
03:57:00,560 --> 03:57:03,480
cause fires. So,

6790
03:57:03,480 --> 03:57:05,000
I guess these are the next couple weeks

6791
03:57:05,000 --> 03:57:07,640
to do it. Once we get too hot, I've been

6792
03:57:07,640 --> 03:57:10,520
doing it all these last weeks um in

6793
03:57:10,520 --> 03:57:13,200
various locations. The grass we had the

6794
03:57:13,200 --> 03:57:15,600
perfect storm of a wet spring and a dry

6795
03:57:15,600 --> 03:57:18,560
winter, so now the grass is tall. So,

6796
03:57:18,560 --> 03:57:20,080
our goal is to make it through these

6797
03:57:20,080 --> 03:57:22,760
next 2 to 3 months.

6798
03:57:22,760 --> 03:57:25,000
Good. Um so, these are the last 2 weeks,

6799
03:57:25,000 --> 03:57:26,840
so if there's any we can do, I don't

6800
03:57:26,840 --> 03:57:28,440
know when does our budget money become

6801
03:57:28,440 --> 03:57:31,840
available to start doing a couple uh

6802
03:57:31,840 --> 03:57:32,920
city

6803
03:57:32,920 --> 03:57:33,640
um

6804
03:57:33,640 --> 03:57:35,520
fire mitigation projects? Is that not

6805
03:57:35,520 --> 03:57:36,760
available even though we voted on it

6806
03:57:36,760 --> 03:57:38,320
today?

6807
03:57:38,320 --> 03:57:40,400
>> Takes effect July 1st.

6808
03:57:40,400 --> 03:57:41,800
>> But it is down the list.

6809
03:57:41,800 --> 03:57:43,480
>> Okay. all right. So, thank you.

6810
03:57:43,480 --> 03:57:44,840
>> Okay.

6811
03:57:44,840 --> 03:57:46,760
With that, I

6812
03:57:46,760 --> 03:57:47,920
we're working on the budget. I

6813
03:57:47,920 --> 03:57:49,920
appreciate everyone's input.

6814
03:57:49,920 --> 03:57:51,320
I am a little disappointed how

6815
03:57:51,320 --> 03:57:53,960
everything went, but I guess I will see

6816
03:57:53,960 --> 03:57:56,600
you guys next week in another meeting.

6817
03:57:56,600 --> 03:57:57,960
So, with that, I'll entertain a motion

6818
03:57:57,960 --> 03:57:59,920
to adjourn.

6819
03:57:59,920 --> 03:58:01,600
>> I'll make that motion.

6820
03:58:01,600 --> 03:58:03,080
>> Is there a second?

6821
03:58:03,080 --> 03:58:04,600
>> It's been moved by Councilwoman

6822
03:58:04,600 --> 03:58:07,280
Hanneman, seconded by Councilman Rumler.

6823
03:58:07,280 --> 03:58:11,760
All in favor? I. Adjourned.