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>> All right. Good. Good evening,

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everybody. Uh oh, and here we have Troy

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Slade was just asking about you, Mr.

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Slade. Happy to see you, my brother. Uh,

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I'd like to welcome everybody to the

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Alpine City Planning Commission meeting

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on this Tuesday evening, July 7th, 2026,

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6 p.m. Meeting is held at City Hall, 20

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North Main Street, Alpine, Utah. Let the

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record reflect that the meeting has been

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duly publicized and noticed as being and

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is being legally held according to the

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uh laws of the state and the ordinance

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of the city. That being said, let's uh

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welcome everybody here uh from the city.

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I know we have Kaden uh Lions with us.

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Um Carla, I made Carla. Uh Mara Fox, I

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And so we don't have Mara. don't

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have Jason. Uh we just well

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poor Kaden is going to have to deal with

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us all by himself, but I think he's well

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up to the task. Okay. And on from

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planning commission, we have Troy Slade,

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Michelle Shurmer, John McKay, myself,

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Alan McDonald, Greg Butter, Greg Grab

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>> Greg. But I you know, I just Jeff has

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got me hurrying so fast and I'm tripping

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over my tongue. He's making me nervous.

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>> I know. We've got all right, Greg

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Burfield.

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lovely gal just down the road there, Suz

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Wittenberg and Jeff Davis. Like to

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welcome you all here. Uh, and and

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members of the citizens members and

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citizens of the city of Alpine and

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guests and applicants, welcome you as

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well. Uh, that said, oh, we've got a

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whole bunch of invitations. I'm going to

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make some invitations here then. Um

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perhaps if Michelle Shurmer could offer

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us a prayer and Sue lead us in a pledge

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of allegiance. Allegiance. Thank you.

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Fatherful

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opportunity to be here tonight to um

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enjoy as we enjoy the benefits of Alpine

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and look to continue to um provide a

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great atmosphere for families and for us

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to live and enjoy. We're grateful for

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thy blessings. We're grateful for this

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country and all of its blessings and

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opportunities. Say this in the name of

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thy son Jesus Christ. Amen.

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>> Amen.

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To the flag of the United States of

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America and to the stands nationy

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andice for all.

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much for that on such short notice. Um,

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okay, reports and presentations. Uh, we

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show none. Has that changed at all?

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anybody on the commission? Okay, let's

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move right to uh action items. Uh, and

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we've got just got one on the agenda

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tonight is review of the 512 commercial

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site plan. So, um I assume that we've

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probably got some folks here for that.

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to make sure we had somebody here. Um

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didn't mean to keep you on the edge of

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your seat there, my friend. Uh [snorts]

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today, which is great, and it's already

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512 commercial site plan which is

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proposed for 168 South Main Street and

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it's to support their it's a new

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commercial building or addition for

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their building that's currently there.

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ongoing operational needs and provide

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more space for their nonprofit ventures.

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see that what they do is they are hoping

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to help feed children that go home

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hungry on the weekends and um and just

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aid those students in need so that uh

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kids are are fed. Um so really a great

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this uh was on June 2nd and there was

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some requests from the planning

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commission to update their building

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design to try to meet the historic

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gateway design guidelines uh more fully

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and so that was that's what the

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applicant has sought to do. Um they've

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provided a site plan that overall meets

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the code requirements. Um the building

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takes on an industrial look with dark

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brick and black metal trims and accents

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to complement the main material. the

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landscaping requirement of 20% is is

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being met. And I say on here, uh, they

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might fall out of compliance when they

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build their new building. Um, since I

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sent this packet out, they've actually

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sent an updated, uh, landscape plan to

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me, which I'll show today. Um, and I

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think that they're showing that now they

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will meet that requirement even after

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the building is is built with no

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question. Um, so that's great. Um, there

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is a water tank proposed for the site.

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um which will need to be evaluated for

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compliance at a later date um because it

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might be considered an accessory

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structure in the front setback. Um so at

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this time we're just saying that they

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should put call that the future proposed

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water tank. Um I don't think we get many

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proposals for those on on commercial

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site plans. So uh it's something we need

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give us some guidance because uh I've

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almost a decade and this is the first

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water tower

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don't I don't I don't quite know how we

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handle that today. So let's assume that

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uh because we don't exactly know how to

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handle that today. Uh suggestions from

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the city on what we do with that.

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hypothetically that that all other

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aspects of the application meet uh

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administrator about it and I think he

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was a little unsure as well. So, um I

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think the commission can recommend to

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have that removed from the site if they

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wanted to or just we have it here is

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that they should label it as a future

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proposed water tank. Um it's I think

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tank. Usually adding the word future to

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a site plan shows that it's definitely

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not under consideration at this time and

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will be considered at a later date.

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this would happen or would have to

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happen, but if applicants removed that

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uh today or agreed to to remove that and

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SANS, the water tower,

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be proposed and built at a later time,

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just be like any other accessory

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family office coming down the pike at

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some future point as well, right?

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what we recommended just to change that

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language a little bit. Um

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uh to make sure that the streetscape

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element required uh is being met along the sidewalks. So um we looked at

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this last time. This was just from the applicant just talking about

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the project. So we'll just kind of skip

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questions on it. So yeah. So, we would

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recommend that the planning commission

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send a positive recommendation to the

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city council for the proposed site plan

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for the new 512 commercial building at

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170 or 168 South Main Street with a

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condition that the streetscaping

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requirements be met and that the water

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tank be labeled as a future proposed

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water tank on the site plan.

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with the uh that the streetscaping

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design guidelines require streetscaping.

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to have some sort of streetscape

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feature. And then there's the list right

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there of different types of features

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that can be included there. Um,

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back on the site so it's definitely more

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of a concern maybe when a future

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building comes in but it is part of the

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requirement so we are including that

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frame and um but but at some point

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back off the street, I think what they

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that area. I know on the north side of

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it there is some landscaping and then

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most of that area of the future proposed

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uh 13,000t office building, there's a

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proposal to just more or less seed that

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with native grasses. Right.

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they're calling it mulch right now, a

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river rock mulch. So, um so there will

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be landscaping there. Um I guess it's

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just up to the discretion of the

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commissioners to to determine if they

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feel like they should be meeting that

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requirement. Now, obviously, no future

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is guaranteed, so we wouldn't want to

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maybe skip it just in case the building

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plan they sent to me later. This wasn't

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sent over the weekend. Um but yeah, this

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clearly shows that they will meet the landscaping requirement even after a

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future office building is approved there

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if that is the case in the future. Um,

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all right. So, let's just go to the

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rendering real quick and then I will

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turn it back over to you guys.

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[snorts]

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So,

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I guess let me first go to this. This

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was the original rendering we saw if you

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recall.

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And now they've proposed this as their

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exterior material rendering.

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[snorts] So you can see there's a lot of

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dark brick here.

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That is the main material that's being

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used. And then there's uh there's

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different metals being used as well uh

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to complement and accent the building.

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parapit walls. The the height of the

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structure is 28 feet to the to the top

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of the parapit.

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Variety of windows there.

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And

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yeah, like I said, just different types

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of uh of metal being used for for accent

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both siding and

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also these these smoke smoke stacks are

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noticeable. I don't believe they'll be

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emitting any smoke, but just for design.

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Um, nothing in the historic gateway

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design guidelines uh prohibits those,

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but it's a definitely unique feature.

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And let me go pull up this.

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You can see the water tank there. So,

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the current site plan doesn't show the

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water tank here on the side of the

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building. It's It's up towards the front

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of the site towards the front property

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line, but it's just used there as

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reference. Um, classic Alpine cars

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there.

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And yeah, so um I guess I'll just turn

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it over to the planning commission for

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their evaluation.

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>> Okay. Thank you, Kaden. Uh, anybody have

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questions for Kaden based on what we've

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heard? Any questions?

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Okay.

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Uh all right then. Um

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if there is a representative of the

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applicant who would like to come up to

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the podium and add anything for us, we'd

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love to hear it. Uh just let us know

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your name and and your capacity.

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>> Dallas Nelson, architect with DNA, Inc.

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And yeah, I'm working with the owner on

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this and have been uh Nick Greer's

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architect for many projects in the past,

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including the Starflower Mill uh in

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American Fork. And he loves the historic

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and very interesting and unique

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projects. And so where we've been and where we're at, he we're very

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comfortable and confident in that it's

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going to turn out exceptional. And uh

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yeah, trying to recreate some history

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right here on his site with uh this

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design and these ideas overall. And uh

335
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yeah, I want to answer any questions

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that you may have though about the

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project.

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>> Yeah, sure. Kaden, can you pull up the

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rendering?

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» I'm sure this is your fine work, Dallas,

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right?

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>> Well, in a way, yes, but uh the

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rendering itself came from AI

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>> amazingly. And so I'm like already

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fearful all of us maybe. Okay.

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>> Yeah.

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On this rendering that is is inaccurate.

348
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>> Yeah. So, it had its limitations as we

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plugged in the more simplified version

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of the design that you've seen

351
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previously, kind of the plain 2D

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elevations, and then it kind of um

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renders and romanticizes the building

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itself. And so, the windows are a little

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bit different in the rendering versus

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the formal elevations. The proportions

357
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even slightly different. As I measured

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it, this came out about 75 feet in

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length when the building's actually 100.

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So the the AI program didn't get things

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100%, but it captures the essence. And

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you know, concept sketches and

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renderings have always been close

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representations of what the final will

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be, but then the technical drawings are

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very accurate and would represent final

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dimensions and lengths and and that uh

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kind of for comparison. So if you look

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generally at this, you capture the

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flavor and [clears throat] you get the

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specifics from the kind of boring 2D

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drawings.

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>> But but but you are planning on uh it

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looks like you've kind of got some

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reproduction period type of of the the black lamps.

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>> Yes.

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>> The the the canopy over the the front

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doors.

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>> Yes.

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>> So there there are the majority of the

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details captured in this rendering that

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we would propose the canopy and such.

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Did you by chance bring a brick sample

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with you?

385
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>> Uh there is one in my truck or in my in

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my car that's actually not here and so I didn't uh bring one. But th this would

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be, you know, a more more

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rustic type of brick, but a a darker red

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similar to this. And I could certainly

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bring that.

391
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>> But I see a lot of architectural

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details, for example, around the

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windows. Um what' you call those ones,

394
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Sean? Soldier soldiering.

395
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>> Soldier course. Yes.

396
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>> Makes that transition so beautiful.

397
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>> Yeah. So the the brick detailing was the

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difference maker in these buildings

399
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historically. The material itself was

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pretty expensive and the labor was

401
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pretty cheap. So they would add all

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kinds of details around windows and

403
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cornises that made the projects

404
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beautiful. And

405
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that's different now for us. The labor

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is what's so expensive and the bricks

407
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are pretty cheap themselves. But we

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would like to use those in a way that

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would feel accurate and kind of bring

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some presence to the building and make

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it feel like it may have been here for a

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hundred years.

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>> 1924. Is that what's that about?

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>> Uh I think that's a liberty that the

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computer took. But so we might put like

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a 2026

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up there instead. Sorry. [clears throat]

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Your birth year. [laughter]

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» Ah yeah.

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>> Really?

421
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>> Yeah.

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>> So

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Jeez,

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>> there you are. That would make you 102.

425
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>> She's looking great. 102 there.

426
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>> Good at mathing. Uh quick question here

427
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for you just on this rendition right

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here. This kind of AI rendition. Yep. I

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don't see a a a kind of piece to the you

430
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know this I guess if I'm looking west on

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that on the end. I think on the

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architectural drawings you've got uh

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some kind of a

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yeah you're using a black you proposed

435
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to use a some sort of a black metal

436
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material. Did I miss that?

437
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>> Well, yeah. These drawings are

438
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challenging to read in a way.

439
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>> Like right there.

440
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>> Yeah. Where we've got an existing

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building. Oh, is that the existing

442
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building right there?

443
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>> Yes. And you know, we're trying to show

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generally I see that,

445
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>> but it's not actually part of this new

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project.

447
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>> Okay.

448
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>> Existing building.

449
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>> It's been a challenge to try to blend

450
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the materials together with these two.

451
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And what's there currently is a

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corrugated metal. And I think for what

453
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it is looks pretty good. We hadn't

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anticipated refinishing the existing

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building for the sake of cost and and

456
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that trade-off of what they can do as a

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charity versus what they can do with the

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building itself. But uh we're so so this

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>> discuss that if we need

460
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>> this portion of the building Dallas

461
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that's over the entryway that has the

462
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512 5.12 logo that is that kind of a

463
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parapit that is does it break up the the

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roof line? Is that what that is?

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>> It will. So it it comes out from the

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main volume of the building by I believe

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3 foot 4 in which is a brick increment

468
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and then it's also a couple of feet

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taller than the rest of the building. So

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we've used that strategy to vary the

471
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roof line and bring interest to it and

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hopefully comply with the guidelines of

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the historic district.

474
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>> Yeah, I think you did I think you did a

475
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great job. Thank you.

476
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>> Uh any more questions for Dallas? I'm

477
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getting the stink eye from Jeff. So,

478
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>> no,

479
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>> better ask question. Any more questions?

480
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>> No. Um,

481
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>> is this going to be compliant with the

482
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sign ordinance before we get too far

483
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along the

484
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>> I think that comes back to us at a later

485
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date.

486
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>> I know, but but when we did the other

487
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one, they kept saying they already

488
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punched the holes. So, I don't know if

489
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that needs to be done all at the same

490
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time.

491
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>> This is just painted applique,

492
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>> right?

493
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>> I think this version on lighting then

494
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it's we need to talk about it. Yeah, I

495
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would agree. And those typically are

496
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handled under a separate permit at least

497
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from the building itself.

498
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>> Yeah.

499
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>> But for some reference of what the

500
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signage might look like, we'd included

501
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something. But it may be that the right

502
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approach is an electrified or, you know,

503
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more of a channel letter type of sign

504
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that would be actually have some

505
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dimension to it rather than just

506
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painted. One or the other would likely

507
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be painted just for the historic context

508
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of it. And I think when it came right

509
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down to a sign, you'd you'd design one

510
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or whoever that take a look at the

511
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ordinances, be consistent with the or

512
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the sign ordinance because we definitely

513
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have one.

514
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>> Yeah. You wouldn't believe the sign

515
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battles that that

516
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>> that have come before us. But, uh,

517
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John's our resident signage expert.

518
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>> So, um, but but yeah, I think we'll deal

519
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with that one at at a later time.

520
00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,080
>> Pass it along your creative people that

521
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projected light onto the building and

522
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the sign is okay. Okay.

523
00:20:38,799 --> 00:20:41,039
>> Lights inside the the lettering

524
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projecting out is not okay.

525
00:20:42,799 --> 00:20:43,520
>> Okay.

526
00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,640
>> Shadow box lighting is okay.

527
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>> But that's because it's shooting back

528
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into the building.

529
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>> But yeah, this but this would be prime

530
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time for some of those those exterior

531
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lamps to shine right down on it

532
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consistent with what's already shown on

533
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the building. So yeah, sure it'll work

534
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out.

535
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>> Don't punch the hole.

536
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>> You're going to be

537
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>> I think so.

538
00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,360
>> Yeah. that it would feel like it was

539
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built and [clears throat] had some of

540
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the the feeling of

541
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>> Yeah.

542
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>> of a time when they were driving Model

543
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T's down Alpine Main Street.

544
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:15,919
>> Well, this is so different than what we

545
00:21:15,919 --> 00:21:20,080
saw two or three weeks ago that looks I mean to the design team for

546
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:20,240
sure.

547
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:20,880
>> Yeah, for sure.

548
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:22,880
>> Yeah, it is. And it um

549
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,039
>> I have a question about the water tank.

550
00:21:25,039 --> 00:21:27,840
What's what's your official position?

551
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,400
>> I have not been involved as much with

552
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,600
that. It's been primarily sight based,

553
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,400
but really just just simple ideas to

554
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,120
this point. So the the water

555
00:21:39,120 --> 00:21:40,320
>> we shouldn't consider that as part of

556
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,159
the site plan at this point.

557
00:21:42,159 --> 00:21:44,320
>> If that's the difference maker in it

558
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,120
being if if that's the difference with

559
00:21:47,120 --> 00:21:49,039
the building being approved and the the

560
00:21:49,039 --> 00:21:51,440
site overall at this stage, then I'd say

561
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,240
we just put that into the future

562
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,720
>> so that can be considered down the road.

563
00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,039
which is our size, height,

564
00:21:59,039 --> 00:22:03,120
>> how it's classified, how tall is, what are the dimensions, and I don't

565
00:22:03,120 --> 00:22:04,400
know if we have any of that at this

566
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:04,799
point.

567
00:22:04,799 --> 00:22:06,640
>> Yeah. And then I don't know if if we do

568
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,159
as a civil team either for it at this at

569
00:22:10,159 --> 00:22:12,159
this stage. It's an idea and a

570
00:22:12,159 --> 00:22:15,280
placeholder from where it would be and

571
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:16,640
then all of that would still have to be

572
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,200
designed. I've in 20 something years

573
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:20,880
I've never designed a water tank.

574
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,159
>> Yeah. Well, I I don't think the city's

575
00:22:22,159 --> 00:22:22,640
had one.

576
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,720
>> Not very common. I am just thinking

577
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:26,799
today it's a little hard for us to prove

578
00:22:26,799 --> 00:22:29,440
what we don't know and and there I don't

579
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,280
think there's any I don't think it's

580
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:32,880
just kind of a matter of first

581
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:33,760
impression

582
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,440
>> to the process going forward. My

583
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:36,799
recommendation is

584
00:22:36,799 --> 00:22:38,240
>> just leave it off for now.

585
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:38,799
>> Okay.

586
00:22:38,799 --> 00:22:42,720
>> And come back with a new initiative if you once you've blocked it down.

587
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,000
>> Okay. I think that's fair.

588
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,280
>> What about your interim streetscape

589
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:48,799
plans?

590
00:22:48,799 --> 00:22:52,000
Yeah, seeing those it I would say a lot

591
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,679
of that at least with what we have

592
00:22:53,679 --> 00:22:56,080
currently is going to be would fall

593
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,400
under the landscape team which is here

594
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,960
with me as well from focus and they may

595
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,120
want to address that but I also feel

596
00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:05,360
that there's a lot of that that will be

597
00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:07,360
addressed by the next building

598
00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:09,039
>> and and some of that that ties together

599
00:23:09,039 --> 00:23:10,720
drinking fountains and other things.

600
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,039
>> So we need to before we can approve this

601
00:23:13,039 --> 00:23:14,640
or recommend approve this we need to

602
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,640
know what will be done in the interim.

603
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:17,840
>> Yeah. So, we'll need to have kind of a

604
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:18,880
standalone version.

605
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,559
>> You have any preliminary renderings of

606
00:23:20,559 --> 00:23:21,360
that or is that

607
00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:24,960
>> of the next building? No, only

608
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,559
>> Well, we needed to get like this

609
00:23:28,559 --> 00:23:30,640
building will likely establish some of

610
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,480
the style of what that next building

611
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,880
will be. But other than it just being a

612
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,200
square or rectangle on the site and it

613
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,840
being 45, 50 feet tall, that's all we

614
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,799
have. They would be Yeah. Probably not

615
00:23:42,799 --> 00:23:46,320
twins, but more like cousins, maybe. So

616
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,799
yeah, and with that previous version uh

617
00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:50,400
of the rendering of the building, that

618
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,640
was something that the owner and I had

619
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,200
worked on and and he liked at the time

620
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,919
and then as we got further on it it just

621
00:23:57,919 --> 00:23:59,120
wasn't quite the right fit. It didn't

622
00:23:59,120 --> 00:24:00,799
feel good and so we just changed

623
00:24:00,799 --> 00:24:03,600
directions and uh but he wanted to make

624
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,760
sure that what we design now will work

625
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,640
for the entire project and so it would

626
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,679
be similar in style to this.

627
00:24:11,679 --> 00:24:14,559
So, John, I think the way it sits right

628
00:24:14,559 --> 00:24:17,520
now on the landscape plan is that on the

629
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,159
east side of this property along Main

630
00:24:20,159 --> 00:24:21,360
Street, right around the west side of

631
00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:22,480
Main Street,

632
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,039
>> it would be I think I heard it was some

633
00:24:25,039 --> 00:24:27,200
like Is there a sidewalk along there,

634
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:28,960
Kaden? Currently. Okay. Yes.

635
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,960
>> That then along that sidewalk and I

636
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,320
don't know if it's three feet. I don't

637
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:33,440
know what the width it would be, but

638
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:37,440
some type of a Did I Did I hear rock and

639
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,559
mulch or or bark or something?

640
00:24:40,559 --> 00:24:40,960
Okay.

641
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,549
>> Yep.

642
00:24:44,559 --> 00:24:47,279
» Brian Wilson, Focus Consulting,

643
00:24:47,279 --> 00:24:48,799
landscape designer

644
00:24:48,799 --> 00:24:50,159
>> and Beach Boys.

645
00:24:50,159 --> 00:24:51,279
>> You betcha. All righty.

646
00:24:51,279 --> 00:24:53,919
>> My parents did name me after him. So,

647
00:24:53,919 --> 00:24:56,159
>> you betcha. Still rocking the legend.

648
00:24:56,159 --> 00:24:58,720
So, I don't play the drums. I play the

649
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,080
guitar.

650
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,559
>> Anyways, um yes, it is with every intent

651
00:25:04,559 --> 00:25:07,600
to meet the the municipal code with the

652
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,880
uh furnishings. So, as you can see on

653
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:15,039
the east side, there's two um benches

654
00:25:15,039 --> 00:25:19,279
and the, you know, required um mulch

655
00:25:19,279 --> 00:25:21,039
that would be placed there.

656
00:25:21,039 --> 00:25:21,840
>> Um

657
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,360
>> Oh, that looks like a that looks like a

658
00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:26,640
15 in or 15 foot now that I see this a

659
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:27,600
little bit larger.

660
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,320
>> So, that would be 15 foot. Okay. And it

661
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,720
would not be my recommendation at this

662
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,799
time to add any sort of live plant

663
00:25:36,799 --> 00:25:39,840
vegetation or material such as trees,

664
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:44,960
shrubs. Um, as in the future as the the

665
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:49,440
secondary building does go in, um, a lot

666
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,080
of the, you know, site activity for

667
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:56,320
demolition and masquerading would cause

668
00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:02,080
us to be those removed as well. So,

669
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,080
>> but we don't have any expectation of

670
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:08,720
when the second building would be built.

671
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,400
>> I don't know at this time.

672
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,720
>> I I don't either.

673
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,360
It may be in a year or maybe in five or

674
00:26:15,360 --> 00:26:16,880
10.

675
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,120
>> That's the issue. If it's five or 10, we

676
00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:20,720
need to have something more substantial

677
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,080
in the landscape plan.

678
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,080
>> Yeah.

679
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:25,679
If we were to talk with the owner, he

680
00:26:25,679 --> 00:26:28,799
may have something. If he was required

681
00:26:28,799 --> 00:26:31,360
to share that for the sake of this

682
00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:34,240
project, he likely would. Just he hasn't

683
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,240
to me

684
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:37,679
for just kind of on a need to know

685
00:26:37,679 --> 00:26:40,240
basis, I think.

686
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,279
>> Brian, that the native grass reveation

687
00:26:43,279 --> 00:26:46,080
seed mix, just describe that for I mean,

688
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,000
is that something will there be? I mean,

689
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,360
I know you want to I don't I know you

690
00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:51,600
don't want to put a whole sprinkler

691
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,360
system in which you'll just have to tear

692
00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:56,080
up, but will there be any water to it?

693
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:57,039
Is it

694
00:26:57,039 --> 00:26:59,919
>> only, you know, kind of high desert

695
00:26:59,919 --> 00:27:02,080
plants that survive without

696
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,159
>> water? I'm not sure what kind of grasses

697
00:27:04,159 --> 00:27:06,559
survive without water, but

698
00:27:06,559 --> 00:27:07,760
>> trying to understand if that'll just end

699
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,880
up basically being a 15ft strip of of

700
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:16,480
rocks and mulch with kind of barren dirt

701
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:17,600
to the west.

702
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,520
>> So yeah, um it's advisable to have a 4

703
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,480
inch depth of the rock mulch with the

704
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,880
weed barrier of course like at a

705
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,320
minimum. Um, as far as the native grass,

706
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:35,120
it is advisable to have at least one um,

707
00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:38,080
year of temporary water administered to

708
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,440
it just to get it to start growing and

709
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,840
try to, you know, minimize weeds. And

710
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,159
after that, usually within one growing

711
00:27:48,159 --> 00:27:50,960
season, if it germinates well, um, it

712
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,919
can usually establish and sustain itself

713
00:27:53,919 --> 00:27:56,960
with on what mother nature allows it.

714
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:57,360
So,

715
00:27:57,360 --> 00:27:58,960
>> okay. So, you will have some at least

716
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,679
for a year have temporary water to help

717
00:28:01,679 --> 00:28:04,799
to to establish the

718
00:28:04,799 --> 00:28:06,480
native grasses.

719
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,520
>> That would be the best plan.

720
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,039
>> Well, is it in the plan?

721
00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:12,799
>> Um, no, it's not.

722
00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:14,000
>> Okay.

723
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,720
>> Have you ever been successful with this

724
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,279
or you have have you ever used it and

725
00:28:19,279 --> 00:28:21,039
been successful with the native grass

726
00:28:21,039 --> 00:28:21,840
seed?

727
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,200
>> Uh, yes, on multiple projects. We

728
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,799
typically use it on a lot of um you know

729
00:28:28,799 --> 00:28:31,600
retention and detention um a lot of

730
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,799
areas um especially in like Eagle

731
00:28:34,799 --> 00:28:37,120
Mountain where we're trying to preserve

732
00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:39,360
a lot of water where there's no access

733
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,520
to water currently. And so

734
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,520
>> K is something you can pull up.

735
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:44,960
>> Can we see what that would look like? I

736
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,559
don't I don't know how you would Google

737
00:28:46,559 --> 00:28:48,000
that or look that up. Maybe Brian knows.

738
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,760
Um, anybody who has driven through

739
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,039
Daybreak, you might notice the beautiful

740
00:28:55,039 --> 00:28:57,919
long tufts of grass that sort of weep

741
00:28:57,919 --> 00:29:01,200
over um that are adjacent to Kentucky

742
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,320
blueg grass. Um, you're able to create a

743
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,240
beautiful blend of that that only needs

744
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,120
to be mowed maybe twice a year that can

745
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,919
establish well next to other plant

746
00:29:11,919 --> 00:29:13,360
types.

747
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,600
>> I can't pull that up in my head. I don't

748
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,360
know anybody else can. There's one of

749
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,120
their if we just see this.

750
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,600
>> They do it they do it at golf course.

751
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,120
>> Yeah. On the exterior.

752
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:24,320
>> Yeah. But you're always right down the

753
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,399
middle of the fairway. You're never out in that.

754
00:29:26,399 --> 00:29:27,600
>> Check it out, man.

755
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,360
>> Is this what Nick put in his front yard?

756
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:30,720
So I noticed Nick in his front yard

757
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,720
instead of doing a commercial where you

758
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,799
have the cement curving and stuff inside

759
00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:37,360
his big BMS. He has long fescues and

760
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,360
grasses and natural looking stuff.

761
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:40,880
>> I've kind of done the same thing in my

762
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,799
yard where I try to use zeroscape and I

763
00:29:42,799 --> 00:29:44,320
just have drip for the big 20 foot

764
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,240
pines. Is that kind of what it's going

765
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,480
to look like?

766
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,000
>> Have you guys seen Nick's house just

767
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,520
straight through?

768
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,279
>> I think he's done the same

769
00:29:53,279 --> 00:29:54,159
>> with his

770
00:29:54,159 --> 00:29:56,080
>> He is my neighbor, but I never walk by

771
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:57,919
there because if he ever talks to me, it

772
00:29:57,919 --> 00:29:59,360
takes an hour. Well, and he throws rocks

773
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,039
at me. Yes, both things.

774
00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:04,535
>> Yeah, both things.

775
00:30:04,545 --> 00:30:06,399
[clears throat]

776
00:30:06,399 --> 00:30:08,240
>> And the water tower is just aesthetics.

777
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:09,840
Kind of what you did down with the grist

778
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,080
mill where you kept the old stuff in

779
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,399
there for aesthetics. It's not

780
00:30:14,399 --> 00:30:15,760
functional. You're not putting water and

781
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:16,399
stuff in it.

782
00:30:16,399 --> 00:30:17,919
>> I think his intention is that it would

783
00:30:17,919 --> 00:30:19,440
be functional. Okay.

784
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,600
>> Some some actual emergency storage

785
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,919
capacity in it that if he needed 5,000

786
00:30:27,919 --> 00:30:30,000
gallons of water for some reason that he

787
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,399
would have it up there, but it would I

788
00:30:32,399 --> 00:30:33,919
think it would be functional.

789
00:30:33,919 --> 00:30:35,520
>> Okay.

790
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,279
>> Yeah. I just would imagine there's all

791
00:30:37,279 --> 00:30:40,720
kinds of engineering specs and

792
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:41,120
>> Yeah.

793
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:42,159
That's going to have to be

794
00:30:42,159 --> 00:30:44,240
deferred for another day for this to go

795
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:44,880
through.

796
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:46,720
>> Yeah, certainly.

797
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,640
>> There's a there that's that's I actually

798
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,760
thought this was just a aesthetic

799
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,039
>> like I think um

800
00:30:55,039 --> 00:30:57,679
>> uh what what is it? Uh Sunrest has kind

801
00:30:57,679 --> 00:30:59,039
of a water I always thought it was a

802
00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:00,240
water tank, but it turns out I think

803
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,720
it's just a a cell tower disguise.

804
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,320
>> It may be that strategy.

805
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,240
>> Yeah, but you're actually a if that's a

806
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,399
legit 5,000galon

807
00:31:08,399 --> 00:31:11,200
water

808
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,600
tower. You gota I think you that's a

809
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:14,640
whole another thing.

810
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,960
>> It would take a specialty engineering

811
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,919
company to design the structure of it

812
00:31:19,919 --> 00:31:22,480
and the actual water distribution. So it

813
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,360
is definitely down the road and not part

814
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,399
of what would happen in this project. So

815
00:31:28,399 --> 00:31:32,240
if that is kind of a a deal breaker in

816
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:33,679
one way or another, I think we could

817
00:31:33,679 --> 00:31:34,880
easily just call that future because

818
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,480
we're certainly not ready to

819
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:36,960
>> Yeah,

820
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,640
>> we don't have enough detail on that. I I

821
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:39,760
think it probably need to be the case.

822
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:40,960
All right. So, Brian, right here we have

823
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,440
2023 daybreak at a glance. Daybreak Utah

824
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,399
homes. We see that mowed Kentucky blueg

825
00:31:46,399 --> 00:31:48,799
grass maybe. And then that that large

826
00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:50,080
that that's a native grass you're

827
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:51,039
talking about there.

828
00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:51,760
>> Correct. Yeah.

829
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,360
>> And you just mow it a couple of times a

830
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,279
year. It gets to be a certain height.

831
00:31:55,279 --> 00:31:56,159
And

832
00:31:56,159 --> 00:31:57,039
>> that's correct.

833
00:31:57,039 --> 00:31:57,600
>> Okay.

834
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,559
>> Mhm. Uh we've found a lot of success too

835
00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:03,760
with like wild flowers um from the inner

836
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,720
mountain west mixed in and

837
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,279
>> those tend to create a really beautiful

838
00:32:09,279 --> 00:32:10,720
mixture.

839
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,799
>> Okay. Yeah. No, I mean very helpful. I

840
00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:16,399
was for some reason just seeing weeds in

841
00:32:16,399 --> 00:32:26,070
my mind not knowing what that was.

842
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:27,200
Looks like it's probably higher in the

843
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,840
mountains though instead of this level

844
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:30,799
>> to get them. Okay.

845
00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:32,480
>> But it's the same thing you bring in

846
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,559
wild grasses and [snorts] wild flowers

847
00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:36,240
that are native indigenous to the area.

848
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:37,360
You plant them and then you don't have

849
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:38,720
water waste water.

850
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,559
>> Okay. Gotcha. All right. Uh anybody else

851
00:32:42,559 --> 00:32:43,679
have any more questions for this

852
00:32:43,679 --> 00:32:47,120
gentleman? It's doesn't pertain to, you

853
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,039
know, approval of this the building and

854
00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:52,159
stuff, but just for information. Uh,

855
00:32:52,159 --> 00:32:54,880
you've got 85 parking stalls, how many

856
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,640
full-time employees and what time do

857
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,200
they come? And, you know, once again,

858
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:00,080
it's yeah,

859
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,000
>> just the biggest questions we get all

860
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,600
the time is the school across the

861
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,440
street, parking and travel, it's the

862
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,279
number one complaint. this one as I went

863
00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:09,840
and looked at it, walked it last night.

864
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,279
You know, I'm assuming a lot of the

865
00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:13,279
employees and you know, first of all,

866
00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:14,640
congrats for what you're doing. We think

867
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,799
it's a great cause and stuff, but have

868
00:33:16,799 --> 00:33:18,799
we thought at all about doing anything

869
00:33:18,799 --> 00:33:21,600
relative to minimizing ingress, egress,

870
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,399
and traffic because I'm assuming the 85

871
00:33:24,399 --> 00:33:26,640
employees don't live in Alpine

872
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,320
>> and so you're have people coming if it's

873
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:29,840
the same time as school and that's where

874
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,200
the school is kind of parked on the

875
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:32,960
roads and some have even parked there. I

876
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,960
noticed Nick put a sign up, you know, no

877
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,720
parking recently. Just curious, how many

878
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,480
employees, what hours do they work, and

879
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,559
is there anything we can do at a city or

880
00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:45,360
something to minimize

881
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:49,120
two major traffic? Well, I'll I'll let

882
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:50,960
the gentleman speak for themselves, but

883
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,200
I think when they came and chatted with

884
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,600
us a few weeks ago,

885
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,240
>> um it's

886
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,159
>> I don't I don't know how I don't think

887
00:34:00,159 --> 00:34:01,679
there's, correct me wrong, but I don't

888
00:34:01,679 --> 00:34:03,360
think there's very many full-time

889
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,200
employees. I think there's a two or

890
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,600
three or nights a week where volunteers

891
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,000
come in church related and they

892
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,200
basically bring you know like like

893
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,440
sometime during the day trucks come in

894
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:16,560
and I don't know if they come in off

895
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,079
First or off of

896
00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:20,560
>> um

897
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:21,760
>> they're probably coming right off of

898
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,679
Main Street now but that has been

899
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:25,119
>> paid. All right. Yeah,

900
00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:26,079
>> but I think before

901
00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:26,879
>> but I don't think there's a lot of

902
00:34:26,879 --> 00:34:28,000
people there during the day. I think

903
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,159
they come in the evenings and and put

904
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:32,879
the packages and everything together and

905
00:34:32,879 --> 00:34:34,480
then they go out and are delivered to

906
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,800
local schools on, you know, Thursdays or

907
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,040
Fridays for, you know, the the students

908
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,040
to take home. So, I don't know that

909
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:42,079
there's daily

910
00:34:42,079 --> 00:34:45,280
>> based off spec. It's just limited with

911
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,040
infrastructure and that's the worst spot

912
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:48,240
for traffic.

913
00:34:48,240 --> 00:34:56,869
>> Yeah.

914
00:34:56,879 --> 00:34:57,599
Well,

915
00:34:57,599 --> 00:34:58,640
>> everything else in there. If there's not

916
00:34:58,640 --> 00:34:59,920
a lot of traffic, maybe

917
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:01,680
>> Yeah. What is the traffic situation?

918
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,400
Employees, who's there during the day?

919
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:05,760
What are the hours of operation?

920
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,480
>> Yeah. So, Greg, one of the first

921
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,599
activities Nick invited me to be part of

922
00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:15,760
was an actual uh usage of the existing

923
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,480
facility and to be part of the service

924
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,000
that happens there. And it happened on a

925
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,480
Wednesday, I believe, at 6:00. And it's

926
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:26,160
one hour of like frenetic work with like

927
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,160
a hundred people in there and then

928
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,240
everybody goes home and there's a few

929
00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:32,560
people there that are loading up these

930
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,880
totes into trucks, you know, for the

931
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,599
next day. But it's it's really one day a

932
00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:40,880
week that it's intensive and for one

933
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,400
hour a day for the most part.

934
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,079
>> Kids have stuff to go home. Yeah.

935
00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:45,520
>> Over the weekend they have food. They

936
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,119
get meals because they're not going to

937
00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:47,359
school.

938
00:35:47,359 --> 00:35:49,440
>> That's the idea. And the fast

939
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,680
>> it it is. And you know, right now

940
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,839
they're just they had been parking just

941
00:35:53,839 --> 00:35:55,359
kind of all over in front of his house

942
00:35:55,359 --> 00:35:57,680
and you know, wherever they could fit

943
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,640
because, you know, you got you need a

944
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,400
bunch of vans and and other things for

945
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,720
people to drive in. But the idea would

946
00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:06,880
be that there'd be some offset because

947
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,119
the business and the the space at the

948
00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:11,839
front would be used kind of nine to

949
00:36:11,839 --> 00:36:14,800
five, nine to four kind of thing. And uh

950
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,320
when that uh use and demand has gone,

951
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,400
then others are showing up for that one

952
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,040
day a week. But employee-wise, it's just

953
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,280
a handful. And they're not even

954
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:26,880
employees. It's just

955
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,119
>> I think some a few volunteers that he

956
00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:30,800
may actually employ them. I'm not sure

957
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,480
about that, but it's it's um a very

958
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,960
minimal number. It might be four to six,

959
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:42,960
maybe eight that would ever be there at one time in this building itself.

960
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,520
>> Thank you. I was I missed this June 2nd

961
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:45,760
meeting.

962
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,760
>> Sorry, Dallas. I'm Trevor Sharp. We're

963
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:48,960
going to be building the project with

964
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,240
Silver Fox.

965
00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:52,400
>> So Nick's my brother-in-law and I've

966
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,320
been to the facility multiple times, but

967
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,640
the way it generally works is a young

968
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,240
youth group comes up and they all

969
00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:00,960
carpool. So, you're going to bring a big

970
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,560
huge group of people within a couple

971
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,480
vehicles, maybe five or six vehicles,

972
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,480
and they go in there, do exactly what

973
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,480
Dallas said, put the packages together,

974
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,480
and then they go home, and then the next

975
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,240
day, someone else comes to pick up the

976
00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:13,599
totes or they take it home with them

977
00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:15,520
that night, and they go out and they

978
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:16,960
deliver them. So, it's it's very

979
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,720
minimal. It's like you said, it's only

980
00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:20,160
one night. So, I don't think you're

981
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:21,920
going to have a problem like you will.

982
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,280
>> Is that a WA shirt?

983
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:24,000
>> What's that?

984
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,750
>> Ya.

985
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,119
No,

986
00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:32,000
>> I don't know if any uh but earlier in

987
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,400
the spring they used this warehouse as

988
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,480
part of a um a community fundraising

989
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:43,599
event and they had um street market like

990
00:37:43,599 --> 00:37:46,800
popups and the back doors were open for

991
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,160
I don't know if they had a concert in

992
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:48,960
there.

993
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,680
>> Is that a continual use that we see

994
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,839
going forward? Was that a oneoff? I

995
00:37:53,839 --> 00:37:55,440
don't know if the design team can answer

996
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:55,760
that.

997
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,079
>> Yeah, I I mean I I don't know those

998
00:37:58,079 --> 00:38:01,119
details for this, but I think they may

999
00:38:01,119 --> 00:38:04,000
use it on occasion for other purposes.

1000
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,320
Uh and whether that's something that I

1001
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:07,440
don't know if you're required to have

1002
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,280
permits like someone across the street

1003
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,079
for this event may have a permit for or

1004
00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:13,599
not.

1005
00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:14,480
>> Parking lot.

1006
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,160
>> Yeah. More sporadic um if if that does

1007
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,400
occur. And I don't know the frequency.

1008
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,560
It's not certainly every weekend or

1009
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:23,920
that. I don't it's not going to be a

1010
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,960
reception center. It's going to be a

1011
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,960
warehouse. You know, the the key with

1012
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,280
this was that it was at least 20 ft

1013
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,040
high. So, they could stack as many

1014
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,560
pallets as possible. There's actually a

1015
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,720
basement to it as well for that same

1016
00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:39,119
reason. Part of it is so they can get a

1017
00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:40,480
lot of what's being stored in the

1018
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,040
existing building into this. And then

1019
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:44,880
the existing building will basically be

1020
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,359
for production and packing and just let

1021
00:38:47,359 --> 00:38:49,680
more people in there because it's the

1022
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,720
there there's a limited amount of space

1023
00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:54,880
and people are falling or not falling

1024
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,119
but you know there's a lot of kind of

1025
00:38:57,119 --> 00:38:58,800
chaos happening because it's too

1026
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,560
confined right now. So it's it's a

1027
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,880
warehouse first and then perhaps

1028
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,560
secondarily it might be used for other

1029
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:15,190
events that would further their mission.

1030
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,119
Okay.

1031
00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:20,079
Any further questions for Dallas, Brian,

1032
00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:22,720
or any of the team?

1033
00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:23,599
>> Okay. Thank you.

1034
00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:25,040
>> Thank you.

1035
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:26,800
>> All right.

1036
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,310
Discussion.

1037
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,000
Uh, any need to go back through the

1038
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,839
Gateway Historic District guidelines?

1039
00:39:33,839 --> 00:39:36,079
We've we've been through them pretty

1040
00:39:36,079 --> 00:39:38,960
completely or very exhaustively actually

1041
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,920
over the last couple of meetings. So

1042
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,440
>> yeah, looks like they

1043
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,440
>> Yeah, I mean brick brick is a primary

1044
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,000
material brick is a primary

1045
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,079
>> building material. It's essentially all

1046
00:39:50,079 --> 00:39:52,400
brick. Um

1047
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:53,680
I went through the guidelines just

1048
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,040
before the meeting and it looked to me

1049
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,839
like it was very much compliant and

1050
00:39:57,839 --> 00:40:00,400
parking, landscaping, I think everything

1051
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,160
else is consistent. Um the biggest

1052
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,720
issues I see are probably in uh any kind

1053
00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:07,119
of motion or recommendation to deal with

1054
00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:10,560
the uh tower as a uh you know future

1055
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,200
matter. Uh and then just confirm that

1056
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,000
the plans the particularly the landscape

1057
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,040
plan does call for um some method of at

1058
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,680
least a year or so of watering to

1059
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,760
establish that

1060
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,680
native grass. But those are the two

1061
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,200
things I saw. Perhaps somebody else saw

1062
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:30,800
>> something we need to consider. Kaden, do

1063
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,599
we have any recourse?

1064
00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:35,520
Um

1065
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,079
like if it gets out of control or you

1066
00:40:38,079 --> 00:40:41,040
know it's that landscaping

1067
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:41,920
doesn't look good

1068
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,359
>> doesn't look good after a year

1069
00:40:43,359 --> 00:40:45,359
>> it's supposed to meet the plan. Yeah. So

1070
00:40:45,359 --> 00:40:47,680
whatever is approved if it gets out of

1071
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,839
control from that then yeah we do have a

1072
00:40:49,839 --> 00:40:53,990
recourse. Yeah.

1073
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,430
» Okay.

1074
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,839
» I I like the water tower. I think it

1075
00:40:59,839 --> 00:41:00,960
would be cool, but

1076
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,119
>> I think it's of course you do, Mr.

1077
00:41:03,119 --> 00:41:03,839
Waterman.

1078
00:41:03,839 --> 00:41:06,480
>> Of course. My but my recommendation

1079
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,560
would be, you know, if you give us

1080
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,839
details like height,

1081
00:41:13,839 --> 00:41:16,400
is it going to actually contain water or

1082
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:17,920
is it just a structure?

1083
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:18,880
>> I think you said it was going to be

1084
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,680
5,000 gallons of water in it. It's a

1085
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:29,200
legit workable actual water tower. And what's the purpose then of it?

1086
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:30,960
>> Water storage.

1087
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:31,280
>> Okay.

1088
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:32,880
>> It looks super cool.

1089
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:33,599
>> It's cool.

1090
00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:35,839
>> Well, it looks cool and it's legit water

1091
00:41:35,839 --> 00:41:37,680
storage is what what what Dallas told

1092
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:38,079
us.

1093
00:41:38,079 --> 00:41:40,079
>> Then then there's a whole other thing

1094
00:41:40,079 --> 00:41:42,000
since we don't have any guidelines.

1095
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,920
>> Right. That's that's why I say it has to

1096
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,920
be part of a different

1097
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,920
>> I'm gonna I'm gonna talk about you know

1098
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,920
um

1099
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,880
emergency dumping of it where where that

1100
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:59,680
goes and you know controls and security

1101
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,280
keeping kids or people from climbing it.

1102
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,720
Um, yeah. I mean, there's if it was just

1103
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:09,200
if it wasn't containing water and then

1104
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,880
was like, okay, to me, security and

1105
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,560
height.

1106
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,920
Um, but if it's going to contain water,

1107
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,560
then then there's a whole bunch of other

1108
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:21,520
questions to ask.

1109
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,040
>> We got an owner worried about the zombie

1110
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:24,960
apocalypse, and if it comes, he's going

1111
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,839
to have water. Okay. There will be

1112
00:42:27,839 --> 00:42:28,319
water.

1113
00:42:28,319 --> 00:42:30,240
>> Nick in a squirrel suit jump.

1114
00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:32,400
>> Yeah, too. That too. I think that's why

1115
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,950
John said to just postpone it.

1116
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,119
» Yeah, I think so. Uh and may maybe that

1117
00:42:39,119 --> 00:42:41,119
gets presented depending on timing with

1118
00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:43,760
the uh the next building down the line

1119
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,480
or as a standalone, but I just we don't

1120
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:47,839
I don't think we have enough before us

1121
00:42:47,839 --> 00:42:49,839
today to have any idea how to address

1122
00:42:49,839 --> 00:42:50,400
that

1123
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,680
>> motion. So, city council is aware that's

1124
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,359
not on the table right now.

1125
00:42:55,359 --> 00:42:56,000
>> Yeah.

1126
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:57,200
>> So, they don't get

1127
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:58,400
>> Yeah.

1128
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,560
So, there's the uh the water

1129
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,359
tower. The second thing I heard was if

1130
00:43:03,359 --> 00:43:04,480
you're not going to build the building

1131
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,480
within a certain time frame. I get why

1132
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:07,520
you don't want to spend a bunch of

1133
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:08,960
money, put stuff in, then tear it out

1134
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:10,800
and ruin the landscaping just to waste

1135
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,319
money and then you're you're watering

1136
00:43:12,319 --> 00:43:13,839
something that's wasting water that we

1137
00:43:13,839 --> 00:43:15,599
don't have.

1138
00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:17,280
>> But a timeline

1139
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,200
>> I've heard just the comment I think is

1140
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:20,720
relevant that if you're not going to

1141
00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:22,240
build a building for 10 years and you

1142
00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:24,000
can't have

1143
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,800
>> it's the way it is now. So, but it'd be

1144
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,440
nice to get that portion of the near the

1145
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,720
road or the sidewalk landscape.

1146
00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:36,870
>> I'm satisfied with

1147
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,079
» same couple benches.

1148
00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:42,160
>> Natural grasses, flowers.

1149
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:42,960
>> Same.

1150
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,440
>> I think Michelle could be

1151
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:46,640
>> Michelle mentioned she wanted a

1152
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,720
decorated waste basket. Did I hear you

1153
00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:49,200
say that?

1154
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:49,920
>> You wanted what?

1155
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,160
>> You wanted a decorated waste basket.

1156
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,560
>> Yes. Well, I saw that on the guideline.

1157
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:55,359
I saw that too.

1158
00:43:55,359 --> 00:43:56,079
>> Garbage canister.

1159
00:43:56,079 --> 00:43:57,599
>> I know. I know. I never noticed that

1160
00:43:57,599 --> 00:43:58,560
before. You point out

1161
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,645
>> that's an option. Please know. Um,

1162
00:44:01,645 --> 00:44:04,240
[clears throat] so what's our height? 35

1163
00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:05,200
ft.

1164
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:06,240
>> 30.

1165
00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:07,920
>> 34 is the requirement.

1166
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:12,560
>> 34. So the painted metal

1167
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:16,960
smoke stacks can be six feet.

1168
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,599
I hope they're not that tall. But

1169
00:44:19,599 --> 00:44:21,040
>> I believe the height's not called out on

1170
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:21,680
them, but

1171
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,079
>> the height to the parapit 28.

1172
00:44:24,079 --> 00:44:25,920
>> Correct.

1173
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,520
>> I think does that count as the height of

1174
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:28,240
the building or

1175
00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:31,119
>> correct? Yes. Yeah. I think they would

1176
00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:32,640
be considered like a chimney where it's

1177
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,720
not considered part of the height.

1178
00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:36,800
>> Okay. A chimney is not considered but

1179
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,480
the clock tower would be.

1180
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:39,040
>> Yes.

1181
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:40,960
>> But a chimney is not

1182
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:41,599
>> correct.

1183
00:44:41,599 --> 00:44:45,280
>> Okay. Okay. Just clarifying. Sorry. I

1184
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,710
Okay.

1185
00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:51,599
Anything else? If not, I think we

1186
00:44:51,599 --> 00:44:53,359
laid some laid things out and happy to

1187
00:44:53,359 --> 00:44:56,720
entertain a motion if anybody's got one.

1188
00:44:56,720 --> 00:44:58,720
>> Do you want to do it?

1189
00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:01,040
>> All right. I'd like to move uh to

1190
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:02,560
recommend the approval to the city

1191
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,400
council of the proposed site plan for

1192
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,040
the new 512 commercial building located

1193
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,560
at 168 South Main Street with the

1194
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,200
following conditions. that they strike

1195
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,680
or remove the water tower as part of the

1196
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,720
approval process to be presented with

1197
00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:21,040
specificity and details at a future

1198
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:26,319
date. and that if the second building is

1199
00:45:26,319 --> 00:45:30,000
not done within a

1200
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,640
three-year time frame

1201
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:36,800
that the landscaping company

1202
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,280
uh landscape per the design that's

1203
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,560
proposed uh the space by the sidewalk in

1204
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:47,589
front of the entire property.

1205
00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:49,119
» Okay, we have a motion by Greg

1206
00:45:49,119 --> 00:45:52,319
Butterfield. Do we have a second? I'll second it. Okay, we have a second

1207
00:45:52,319 --> 00:45:54,880
by Troy Slay. Discussion on the motion.

1208
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,560
>> Yeah. Where where did the three years

1209
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:00,880
come from? Why not six months or a year

1210
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:02,640
to be done right away?

1211
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,000
>> If to establish native grasses and

1212
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:06,640
flowers.

1213
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,560
>> So, I made that up on the fly. That was

1214
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:09,280
really quick.

1215
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:09,680
>> Okay.

1216
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,400
>> Uh based off the fact based by the fact

1217
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:13,760
someone said it could be a year, could

1218
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,680
be five or 10 years. And so I was trying

1219
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,000
to provide something that's realistic

1220
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:19,440
and also trying to take into account

1221
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,280
that it is the way it is now and has

1222
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,359
been for the last

1223
00:46:23,359 --> 00:46:24,720
>> but the building site for the second

1224
00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:26,880
building is being left unressed which is

1225
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,480
okay. We're just saying we want the

1226
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,079
first 15 ft.

1227
00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:31,839
>> No no the building site for the second

1228
00:46:31,839 --> 00:46:33,440
building is addressed if my

1229
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:34,720
understanding is my understanding is

1230
00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:37,760
that there's a 15 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That

1231
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:39,920
whole area that the building will sit on

1232
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:41,359
>> is native grasses.

1233
00:46:41,359 --> 00:46:43,839
>> I mean cor am I right on that? Yeah.

1234
00:46:43,839 --> 00:46:46,560
>> Okay. If we want yeah modification if we

1235
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,160
want to shorten that time frame I'm

1236
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,319
happy to amend what I said from three

1237
00:46:50,319 --> 00:46:52,480
years to a shorter period

1238
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,359
>> I would amend it to just say that

1239
00:46:55,359 --> 00:46:56,319
>> it

1240
00:46:56,319 --> 00:46:57,200
>> it's done in

1241
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,240
>> landscape plan will be

1242
00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:02,079
>> included

1243
00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:05,119
>> with the construction warehouse yeah so

1244
00:47:05,119 --> 00:47:08,720
unless we're doing this I think that

1245
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:10,960
>> that along with the construction of the

1246
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:11,839
building

1247
00:47:11,839 --> 00:47:17,280
>> they they will landscape the 15t

1248
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,800
and the native grass will be likewise

1249
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,400
planted

1250
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,079
>> once the construction is done. So it'll

1251
00:47:24,079 --> 00:47:26,240
be part of this project

1252
00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:27,440
>> temporary watering.

1253
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,480
>> So I'm not sure that we need you know I

1254
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,079
mean my suggestion would be I'm not sure

1255
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:34,400
>> have it as a recommendation condition.

1256
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:35,520
>> Yeah I think so.

1257
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,359
>> So who's taking the the minutes the

1258
00:47:37,359 --> 00:47:38,000
notes?

1259
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,160
>> So so what we do is so I think the way

1260
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:41,680
we proceed under Robert's rules is

1261
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,319
because we have a be a

1262
00:47:44,319 --> 00:47:45,359
>> motion

1263
00:47:45,359 --> 00:47:47,680
>> and a second that we now have somebody

1264
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,720
propose an amendment uh to the motion

1265
00:47:50,720 --> 00:47:52,480
and see if Greg accepts that amendment.

1266
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:53,599
>> Yes.

1267
00:47:53,599 --> 00:47:55,119
>> So, would anybody like to propose an

1268
00:47:55,119 --> 00:47:57,760
amendment? I propose that we strike the

1269
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,240
three-year uh time frame for

1270
00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:02,720
establishing landscaping

1271
00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:04,720
and

1272
00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:06,880
um

1273
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,520
require that the entire building

1274
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,160
envelope be

1275
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,319
landscaped as proposed.

1276
00:48:14,319 --> 00:48:14,960
>> Yeah.

1277
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:19,680
>> With native grasses and flowers with uh

1278
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,160
enough watering to establish that

1279
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,520
vegetation for a one-year period. Okay,

1280
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,400
we have a proposed amendment um by John

1281
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,079
McCay. Greg, do you accept?

1282
00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:31,680
>> I'm fine with the recommendation or the

1283
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:32,319
amendment.

1284
00:48:32,319 --> 00:48:35,680
>> Okay. All right. So, we have an amended

1285
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:36,960
motion. Do we have a second on the

1286
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:38,160
amended motion?

1287
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,800
>> Second.

1288
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,800
>> That was Troy's job.

1289
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:44,608
>> No, you're good. Okay, we have I'm just

1290
00:48:44,608 --> 00:48:45,920
[laughter] kidding, S. All right, we

1291
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:47,920
have a second by Suz Whittenberg.

1292
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,119
Discussion on the amended motion.

1293
00:48:51,119 --> 00:48:54,800
Okay, all in favor? I I Any opposed?

1294
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,000
Okay. Uh, passes unanimously.

1295
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,680
Seven to zero. Well done, team. We

1296
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,000
appreciate your time

1297
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:05,359
>> and we like the project. Thank you.

1298
00:49:05,359 --> 00:49:06,720
>> Thank you for bringing this back to us.

1299
00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:07,599
>> Yeah, I think that

1300
00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:08,400
>> it looks terrific.

1301
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:09,200
>> Well worth it.

1302
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:09,839
>> Looks awesome.

1303
00:49:09,839 --> 00:49:11,040
>> It looks so good.

1304
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:12,800
>> Don't give up on the water tank. I love

1305
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,720
that. [laughter]

1306
00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:17,599
>> We will not.

1307
00:49:17,599 --> 00:49:19,599
>> Okay. Uh, all right. Communications.

1308
00:49:19,599 --> 00:49:29,109
>> How big?

1309
00:49:29,119 --> 00:49:32,710
water

1310
00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:34,960
tank

1311
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:43,270
head just in case water. [laughter]

1312
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,200
Thank you. Uh all right. Any

1313
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:46,480
communications that need to come before

1314
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,359
the commission?

1315
00:49:49,359 --> 00:49:50,640
>> Okay. If no,

1316
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,880
>> I'll say just from staff, we have some I

1317
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,040
think city code updates coming down the

1318
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,200
pipeline just so you're aware. Um

1319
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:58,400
>> on the 21st.

1320
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,640
>> I don't know if it will be this month or

1321
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,640
in August, but should be coming pretty

1322
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:03,200
soon.

1323
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,119
>> Okay. Are we planning on meeting on the

1324
00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:06,319
21st?

1325
00:50:06,319 --> 00:50:09,680
>> As of right now, uh I'm not sure.

1326
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:10,079
>> Okay.

1327
00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:12,960
>> What just basic or what kind of city

1328
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,960
coke changes? um some basic, some larger

1329
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,520
as proposed by city council members and

1330
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,319
different changes. So, yeah.

1331
00:50:22,319 --> 00:50:23,760
>> And I think we're planning on putting

1332
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,559
another um fruit stand right underneath

1333
00:50:26,559 --> 00:50:27,920
your home. [laughter]

1334
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:29,200
>> So, just wanted to give you a heads up

1335
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:30,319
that was coming down the pip.

1336
00:50:30,319 --> 00:50:32,240
>> Yeah. Trying to pave the way.

1337
00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:33,760
>> Just getting you ready, Michelle.

1338
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,119
>> Get ready.

1339
00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:37,924
>> Okay. Otherwise,

1340
00:50:37,924 --> 00:50:40,549
[laughter]

1341
00:50:40,559 --> 00:50:43,920
» 53 minutes. Okay, that was we wanted to

1342
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:45,760
get it right, Jeff. Okay. All right,

1343
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,839
let's go on to the uh minutes. Anybody

1344
00:50:47,839 --> 00:50:49,520
had a chance to uh read the minutes or

1345
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,119
want to make a motion?

1346
00:50:51,119 --> 00:50:52,720
>> I'll make a motion to approve the

1347
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minutes for June 16th.

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>> Okay, we have a motion to approve the

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minutes by Jeff Davis. We have a second.

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>> Second.

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>> Okay, have a second by John McCay. All

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in favor?

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>> I uh motion to adjurnn.

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>> I Yep. I'd make a motion that we

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adjourn.

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>> Motion by Mr. Davis. Second.

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>> Second.

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by Suz. All in favor? I meeting adjourned. Well done. Thank

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you.

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>> Sorry, Troy.

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>> No, you're just left them hanging.

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>> Whatever.

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>> Do Do I ever ask what they are? This

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change.