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I will I guess call to order the

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work session for city council

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on July 9th, 2026

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at 12 p.m. inside a city chambers. Today

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we'll be discussing um our water

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deficiencies in our PI system and the

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various projects that have been um

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proposed by

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Horox Engineering who did our water

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study for us.

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» Kaden, can you pull that PowerPoint up

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please?

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Go to the next slide.

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Okay, these, at least in my eyes, these

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are the the goals that I had for this

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work session. Um, first off, um,

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one of the main purposes I wanted to try

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to get out there any questions the

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council has regarding water and kind of

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moving forward with projects and try to

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provide answers to those. Um, and I've

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summarized the ones that came in in this

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PowerPoint in a few slides.

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>> Oh, wait. I do have one question.

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identified that. Sorry. Because this is

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not as formal as city council meeting.

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They said we didn't have to go through

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everything else, but um should we just

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go ahead proceed with the roll call so

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that you Sorry about that. Um, let's

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start from my left. Sarah Blackwell

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>> Andrew Young present. Brett Remler

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present. Jessica Sme present.

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>> Is Chrissy online?

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she is planning to and she does have the

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link? And I'm glad you can look it in

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person. Zoom in.

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Thank you. Okay. Um

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» Okay. I'm sorry. Go ahead, Shane.

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>> Okay. Um so first off to answer any

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questions um that were sent in from

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council members uh get some input from

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the water committee. Um I'd like to

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determine the scope of what I'll just

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term the phase one PI projects.

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[clears throat] Um discuss potential

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conary water projects and then um touch

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on funding strategies.

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[clears throat]

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So, the PI system needs are identified,

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and a lot of this isn't new, so I'm

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going to go over this first part quick.

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uh, pressurized irrigation master plan,

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um, which we will be bringing to the

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council for formal approval. We just

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wanted to make sure any questions or

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whatever were resolved beforehand.

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recommended uh system improvements. Um

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this table one shows the existing

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deficiencies.

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these this list of projects and then

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some associated costs as well.

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talked a lot about um like the Heritage

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are a couple projects that uh Horox has

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recommended as kind of being the first

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two that they'd recommend if we you know

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are on kind of a limited funding

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schedule. Uh, next slide, Kaden.

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from the Healey Well going up through

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town to the lower PI reservoir.

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projects that help with capacity and be

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a being able to get water to areas um

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where there are needs.

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develop a minimum level of service. And

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identified the minimum level of service.

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the distribution system during peak hour

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the operating pressure and so that's

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>> When it says peak day demands, is that

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the day of the week or the daytime?

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projected to be 105 degrees. Um, a lot

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somewhere there will be a peak hour. So

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those are the parameters that are used

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this email from John She. Uh, the

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question was asked, you know, which

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projects would be would provide the

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biggest bang for the buck, be the most

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beneficial to the city. So, he came back

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and recommended the Heritage Hills well

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was looking at these recommendations and

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the order that we're going in, one of

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the pieces of information that's missing

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in it exists in the culinary report, but

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it doesn't exist in the PI report is a

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water gems model. And the reason I

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started looking at it was because I was

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talking with Jeff and he said, well, has

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this all been modeled? And so I was

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looking at the modeling. So the final

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results of the modeling exists in the

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culinary to support the recommendations

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and improvements but that modeling isn't

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part of the report. Can we have access

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to that? Just again as we're determining

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these large capital expenditures it's

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one more piece as council we can say hey

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and we actually will fix these problems.

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but they will get solved because I know

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we've got some concerns in some of our

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mid zone around Alpine Elementary and

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other areas is once we do these

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improvements, are those things going to

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whether there was a model?

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of the process just like it was for

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monitor or or model and determine these

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improvements and where the velocities

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low is through that model.

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software program. It's really expensive.

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these are like questions again just at a

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high level. confirm that every modeled

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node satisfied the adop satisfies, you

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know, the adopted improvements so that

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this level of service that the the

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recommended improvements

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provided this level of service

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throughout the city. So all of those

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projects, a buildout project might come

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another project. Um, we'll talk more

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about this. I think it was on the next

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verge of being developed. Um, we've

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worked out with them to take the the big

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line through their property

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um to save a bunch of money and a bunch

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of expense going through asphalt and

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dealing with all the utilities and

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everything you do as opposed to in new

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construction. It's much easier and

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cheaper. Um, that's a buildout project

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that's going to end up needing to have

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priority because they're ready to go

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right away. And so it's really hard.

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property. They're working on

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um getting their deduction or row to pay

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the annexation fees and finalize that

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annexation. Once they do, they'll submit

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a development plan. That's going to

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cause the need for other improvements

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that are buildout improvements to happen

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conversation today. Um Chrissy was

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two, but I realized that we actually

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pulled forward a project from phase two

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into this current development plan, and

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that was the low zone take expansion at

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um sorry 4.9 million. And so that will

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help us determine is there anything else

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in phase two we need to pull forward?

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we've already pulled forward something.

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pull forward something else?

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>> Yeah.

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>> Well, I think that's why we rely on the

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professionals that this is what they

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suggested and moving forward that's that

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we follow. You're not a hydraologist. I

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don't think any of one of us are. We are

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that's why we um contracted out with

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specialists and this is their core

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competency. I appreciate your

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thoroughess and going over it, but um I

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do feel like it's time for us to take

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action on the suggestions on this report

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and move forward. That's why I want to

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be confident that what the actions were

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taken because if we had taken the

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actions in 2021, it did not include this

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improvement of the low take expansion.

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So again, relying on the experts then,

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now we're looking at today and we've

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actually got more information. We've had

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people go to water meetings. We

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understand that we need to be able to be

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reliant and that we're actually spending

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this money

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>> most the most efficient way that we can.

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I'm not saying that I'm no more than

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expert. I'm just saying I want to make

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sure as I'm representing the public.

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>> So, it's been five years. So, yes, there

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has been a change in priorities and it's

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moved up from long-term to more current.

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And um there's no doubt in my mind even

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if we would have done the well that they

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probably still would have you know this

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is something that we should be looking

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at every so many years. But again I do

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feel like if there's something specific

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that you are concerned about we can talk

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about it. But I think right now I think

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what we're ready for I want to see the

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results of the what was it the W the

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water jams modeling. So these are the

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results.

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>> Wait, go to the before. Go to page six.

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>> Those are the results.

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>> It just as I did an analysis. It says

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the report does not include the actual

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water gems results. So I understand it

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gives an overview of how of

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recommendations, but it doesn't show a

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table or the actual results of the water

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gyms. Wait, are you looking at

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>> doesn't either

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>> are you looking at like where it would

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show where there are deficiencies or

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where there are problems?

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>> What it shows is it shows if you do this

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then you'll meet ah

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>> so this is that's what the water study

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is. You go through it's a very expensive

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program they go through all of this all

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the algorithms with it and they come up

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with this modeling right or the modeling

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shows what you need to do where your

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deficiencies are. So now um

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>> you said that in the culinary study that

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it showed the gem results. Where did you

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see that in the culinary um report?

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>> Let's let's first finish with this. So

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basically

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>> you're basing it off of it showed

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>> so is this a work session to ask

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questions and get better understanding?

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>> No, it is. But I'm just you're trying to

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compare it and you're saying well it

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showed it here but it's not showing it

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here. Well, I like

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>> Is this something that we normally see

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or I feel like do you know how to read

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those reports?

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>> I feel like as a city council as we're

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looking at spending millions of dollars

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that more information to be able to give

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assurities to the public that what we're

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doing is going to solve what we're

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asking you to pay for. It just gives us

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the ability to be forward facing and say

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as we bond, as we raise your rates.

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>> I know, but I guess I'm just trying to I

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understand where you're coming from

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there, but you're saying that you want

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to see the gem um modeling studies or

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the reports based on what you saw in the

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culinary water reports. Um I don't

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believe I've seen it. I've, you know, I

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think there's been vague references to

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it. We've seen kind of what the results

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are of that and that's what we've always

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gotten. But if you seen something

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different

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is in the PI.

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>> So so both

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>> report states that the water gems

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hydraulic model was developed and used.

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However, it doesn't include the results.

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>> We have a lot of tables and I think we

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may have an expert here or someone that

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can give clarity. I don't know mayor if

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that's okay if he can speak but I would

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love clarity in

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>> these questions.

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They do. And and

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>> yeah, both studies actually reference

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the software water gyms. One on page 12

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and one on page 13.

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Um

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PI is on page 12, culinary is on page

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13. It's it's the exact same wording. A

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p a computer program called water gems

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2024 was used to model each system.

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So it's available

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the information

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>> it's all in here. It's this is all based

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on that model.

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>> So that's as detailed as it's it was

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produced. This is

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>> as detailed information that's available

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for us to determine a plan to move

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forward.

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>> I mean if you need something that's not

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here we can ask for it.

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>> I think she wants

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>> Jessica. Are you hoping that

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>> if the results exist? I'd like to see

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them. that they don't exist and and you

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say they don't exist.

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>> These No, what he's saying is this is

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the result of the modeling. Are you

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saying that you want the raw data from

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the modeling? Is that what you would

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look? Because if you know how to

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interpret them and you want them, I'm

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sure there's a way that we can get that

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from them. I'm sure it's in some

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database.

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Do you want to ask Horox if they want to

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spit out the raw data to Jessica and

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have her analyze those

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>> or is there like a heat map that shows

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where the

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>> If you study the figures in the back in

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the appendix uh in the appendices there

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uh like figure eight on the PI system

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plan um this shows

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uh let's see current pressurized

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irrigation system PCR pressure says pH

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pressure so it's colorcoded within

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ranges and And then

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uh the next figure nine is current

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velocities.

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Um

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figure 10 let's see that just showing

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the improvements. If you go to figure 11

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uh build out pressurized irrigation PR

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pressures. So this if you look at these

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maps against each other it will show the

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change in pressures in areas

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um with those improvements that are

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recommended.

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So,

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uh, this is actually more helpful than

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if you had like a spreadsheet or a CSV

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file or something like that. This is

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showing you graphically what the model

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is telling us uh, modeling the existing

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system versus the system with proposed

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improvements.

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So, where we see red and yellow and

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orange, is that indicating

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um deficiencies or that's just the color

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codes that was selected?

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>> So, let's see. Which figure are you on?

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>> Um the page that's on

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>> looking at 11,

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>> eight or

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>> 11.

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>> I'm showing figure 11 right now, Shane.

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>> Okay. So, if you look up PR pressures, uh,

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yellow is between 20 and 30 PSI.

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Um,

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like some of these, like there's one in

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Lambert Park. There's nobody even served

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in that area. So, that pressure is not

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important, but it's it's a node. So,

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each one of these dots represents a node

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in the model. And so they'll input

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elevation data, demand data from homes

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and all those kinds of things on those

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nodes. And now all the pipes are sized.

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Then they run the model and it will give

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them information and be able to produce

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maps like this.

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>> Shane, are they using actual like water

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meter to produce these numbers? We are

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now. Is it just like a uh mathematical

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formula using the pipe size and what it

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should be? That's that's why some of

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there's been some tweaks from the 2021

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plan because we now have meter data in

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the pressure irrigation system

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>> that they were able to bring into here.

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So, it's more accurate and John

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mentioned that when he was here giving

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the presentation,

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>> it's more accurate than it's ever been

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>> because of that. We've confidently moved

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from we think this is going to solve all

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of our our pressure our delivery and our

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pressure issues to we know this will

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>> well unless people start using more

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water or some condition changes. Yes.

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>> Okay.

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>> Yeah.

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» For the but for the we for the high zone

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not not necessarily for the other areas

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Jessica or council. Well, that's my

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question for all. I mean, we're not just

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asking the high zone to fund it, right?

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>> No. No.

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>> So, I think my direct question Yeah, I

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think it's for

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>> looks the whole But it's primarily the

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from what I read the West

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>> area.

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>> Well, I know it indirectly helps the

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whole city, but the from what it says,

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it it the big deficiency is north and it

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it's mainly trying to solve that

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deficiency. Obviously, it would take

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pain off of the other ones, but um I I

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bring up like examples like Alpine

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Elementary area where they have a

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deficiency. It might not fix that. Um or

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it wouldn't fix that. Am I correct?

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>> Well, that's my question. Is it going to

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fix that?

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>> Well, no, I don't think so. I think

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that's a different thing that needs to

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be fixed with a different solution. No.

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>> Yeah. That's Well,

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>> the model The model shows with these

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>> I'm not talking about the model.

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>> Let me just finish. The model shows with

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these improvements

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that it will fix it. So there's a

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planned pressure reducing valve on Grove

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Drive between the high zone or sorry the

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middle zone and low zone that would

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provide additional pressure to that area

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north of Alpine.

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>> Okay. Sorry. The the misunderstanding

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was I was talking about our current

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bond, the 9 million for the top two of phase one, but this model does show

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all of it, right? all of the different

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phase one and phase two implementations

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>> shows all the improvements in our case

548
00:22:48,159 --> 00:22:50,159
right that we need through buildout

549
00:22:50,159 --> 00:22:51,919
>> right all the improvements but Jessica

550
00:22:51,919 --> 00:22:53,360
what we're talking about the 9 million

551
00:22:53,360 --> 00:22:56,960
doesn't include those other types of uh

552
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,039
what changes brought up the technical

553
00:22:59,039 --> 00:23:01,360
terms to fix those like Alpine

554
00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:03,120
Elementary's issue I'm sorry I'm just

555
00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:04,159
calling that it's like north

556
00:23:04,159 --> 00:23:06,000
neighborhood of Alpine Elementary the

557
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,799
booster pumps and the well primarily

558
00:23:08,799 --> 00:23:11,919
solve the issues in the north but but

559
00:23:11,919 --> 00:23:15,200
not other ones as as far as I understand

560
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,159
>> adopting adopting phase one improvements

561
00:23:18,159 --> 00:23:19,760
which is what we're talking about as it

562
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:20,799
relates to the budget.

563
00:23:20,799 --> 00:23:21,919
>> Correct me.

564
00:23:21,919 --> 00:23:23,200
>> It's not 14.

565
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:24,720
>> Okay. Okay. Feel free to jump in. I

566
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,000
never get offended. Jump in.

567
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,080
>> Well, the booster pumps pump into the

568
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,640
middle zone on the west side of town.

569
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,600
>> And that's our number two uh um line

570
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,200
item on the 9 million bond, right? The booster pump

571
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:37,760
>> one.

572
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,360
>> Yeah. So that that that that might have

573
00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:41,360
some impact on more than just the north,

574
00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:44,720
>> but it in a different way it can help

575
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,159
like Lake View Drive because right now

576
00:23:48,159 --> 00:23:50,799
water is going through a PRV

577
00:23:50,799 --> 00:23:52,799
from the high zone, Lake View Drive in

578
00:23:52,799 --> 00:23:56,080
that area into you know all of the west

579
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,440
side of town which can pull pressure

580
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:00,799
from the upper zone,

581
00:24:00,799 --> 00:24:02,640
>> right? And and so it disseminates it and

582
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,159
helps. No, I'm not trying to be

583
00:24:04,159 --> 00:24:06,480
argumentative or or against. I just I

584
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,000
was just trying to clarify and you're

585
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:09,520
clarifying. So that's good. It's good.

586
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:10,159
>> You

587
00:24:10,159 --> 00:24:10,720
>> It's good.

588
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,279
>> The council's not expected to understand

589
00:24:13,279 --> 00:24:15,919
all the intricate details. I mean, we've

590
00:24:15,919 --> 00:24:17,679
hired professionals that have they've

591
00:24:17,679 --> 00:24:21,200
been in this business for Clorox was the

592
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,200
original engineer for the city.

593
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:23,600
>> I know

594
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,520
>> as a consulting engineer like

595
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:26,240
>> I know.

596
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:27,919
>> So I think the question Oh, sorry.

597
00:24:27,919 --> 00:24:30,240
They're working for the city to

598
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,039
recommend approvements

599
00:24:33,039 --> 00:24:35,120
to cure deficiencies,

600
00:24:35,120 --> 00:24:35,440
>> right?

601
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,120
>> And provide, you know, the service to

602
00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:37,679
the public,

603
00:24:37,679 --> 00:24:38,720
>> right? We're just trying to understand

604
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,480
them and make a good decision.

605
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,799
>> Where is the low zone tank?

606
00:24:42,799 --> 00:24:44,880
>> Uh, it's the one by the Northstake

607
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:46,880
Center.

608
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,960
>> Oh, okay. So, that's the grant that

609
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:49,919
we're going after.

610
00:24:49,919 --> 00:24:53,360
>> No, no. Oh, yes. Sorry. I was thinking

611
00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:54,880
culinary grant.

612
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:59,120
>> Yeah. And so that additional storage is

613
00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:00,880
shown as a buildout improvement

614
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,080
>> that pulled forward.

615
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,720
>> Um but

616
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,720
one thing that could move that up was

617
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:07,120
phase one.

618
00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:09,360
>> If you pull that it's like the fifth

619
00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:11,360
item, right? Fourth. Fourth. Yeah. Thank

620
00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:11,520
you.

621
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,600
>> One of the two exhibits.

622
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,320
>> The map. Not that one. The other one.

623
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,480
>> This one.

624
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,720
>> So [clears throat]

625
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,320
>> the storage is elevation dependent. And

626
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:28,000
so I had Horox prepare this for us. Um,

627
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,120
this shows elevations between 5160 and

628
00:25:31,120 --> 00:25:32,799
5180.

629
00:25:32,799 --> 00:25:35,120
So that's kind of the band of property

630
00:25:35,120 --> 00:25:38,720
where we could add additional storage

631
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,080
um for the low zone and make it work.

632
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:43,440
And so

633
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:44,720
>> that's helpful. You know,

634
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:45,760
>> that's a cool graph.

635
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:46,559
>> Just the low zone.

636
00:25:46,559 --> 00:25:48,080
>> If there ends up being Yeah, this is

637
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:49,679
just for low zone. If there ends up

638
00:25:49,679 --> 00:25:51,440
being homes there, then it's a problem.

639
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,600
So, if we can get ahead of, you know,

640
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,240
finding a site and not have a home there

641
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,440
or something like that, that's the best.

642
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,720
Unfortunately, most of that area is

643
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,559
build out. The the other issue

644
00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:08,559
uh like you can find some open areas

645
00:26:08,559 --> 00:26:11,039
like um

646
00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:13,039
kind of down by Bridal Pope in that

647
00:26:13,039 --> 00:26:14,720
area.

648
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,799
>> Isn't there room next to the existing by

649
00:26:16,799 --> 00:26:19,039
the stake center? I kind of walked that

650
00:26:19,039 --> 00:26:21,600
whole area. It's up high enough you can

651
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:22,960
take advantage of gravity.

652
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,880
>> It's the best option and the reason is

653
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,960
what I was getting to. You also have to

654
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:28,400
have the pipeline

655
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,480
>> to be able to get the water there and to

656
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:31,919
send the water back down to the

657
00:26:31,919 --> 00:26:35,200
residence. So, let's say we think, oh,

658
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:36,559
there's somewhere over here on the west

659
00:26:36,559 --> 00:26:38,080
side. Well, that's all great, but we

660
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,960
have no pipe there um to get the water

661
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,720
where we need to go. So elevation and

662
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,000
location um with respect to the

663
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,559
distribution system piping and sizing is

664
00:26:50,559 --> 00:26:52,799
very important.

665
00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:56,080
Um so really our best bet is to be

666
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,520
looking somewhere near the existing

667
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:00,960
lower reservoir.

668
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:05,269
>> So that's the one that

669
00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:08,950
» turn.

670
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,159
So yeah, that so the low zone tank tank

671
00:27:12,159 --> 00:27:14,960
expansion um Shane is working on um

672
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,200
getting a grant for that one.

673
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:17,520
>> Yeah.

674
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,279
>> So when that was proposed in 2021 at 1.4

675
00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:25,919
million. Now it's increased to 5 million

676
00:27:25,919 --> 00:27:27,360
at that time. Why didn't we just go

677
00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:29,840
ahead and build it at 1.4?

678
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,360
Uh we actually proposed like the well

679
00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:34,880
>> on the well the budget

680
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:35,520
>> the expansion

681
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,440
>> but it would

682
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,440
be saying I'm using the well as an

683
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:40,960
example because this is what happened.

684
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,640
We proposed it on the budget and it got

685
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,799
pulled off

686
00:27:44,799 --> 00:27:46,480
>> um because the council at the time said

687
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,799
we don't want to do that.

688
00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:53,520
>> Um and so um

689
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:54,240
>> I don't know.

690
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:55,679
>> Well, that's an illustrative example. I

691
00:27:55,679 --> 00:27:57,039
think she was asking about we don't want

692
00:27:57,039 --> 00:27:59,279
to delay these important projects very

693
00:27:59,279 --> 00:28:00,640
long because things are just going to

694
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,159
get more expensive. It is for sure

695
00:28:02,159 --> 00:28:05,039
>> and why we want to make sure we capture

696
00:28:05,039 --> 00:28:07,760
the full scope because I think at the

697
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,440
time the council wasn't comfortable with

698
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,320
the well because there was a deficiency

699
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,919
only for agricultural users in 2021 but

700
00:28:15,919 --> 00:28:18,720
I don't think the scope and storage

701
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,480
>> that was not proven that it was only the

702
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,720
agricultural users for 2021

703
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,080
>> the 2021 report come that's there's no

704
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,480
deficiency in the 2021 report

705
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:29,840
>> and that was the information we based

706
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,279
our decision on was the 2021 report. It

707
00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:35,679
said there are no deficiencies. It was a

708
00:28:35,679 --> 00:28:37,760
delivery and a pressure issue and it

709
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,760
said the only deficiency that exists in

710
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,640
the city at this time is for a users but

711
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,120
it had nothing to do with storage tanks.

712
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:46,640
>> Okay. That's not what we were hearing

713
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,039
from residents. So from residents we're

714
00:28:49,039 --> 00:28:50,640
hearing that there's a deficiency and

715
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,159
that you know that we need to move

716
00:28:52,159 --> 00:28:54,000
forward and that was the presentation

717
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,039
that was given.

718
00:28:55,039 --> 00:28:58,080
>> Can you go to page seven in the PI? So,

719
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,799
I'm just saying again, we can just it

720
00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:02,559
it's important to know the history so

721
00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:05,200
that right now as we're making these

722
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,640
decisions to bond and raise rates that

723
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:09,200
we include

724
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,159
>> and the 2021 report, when was that

725
00:29:12,159 --> 00:29:15,200
conducted? Was it 2020 or was it 2021? I

726
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,679
know it was approved in 2021, but what

727
00:29:17,679 --> 00:29:20,480
day exactly was the report done?

728
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:21,200
>> Um,

729
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,679
>> and Councilwoman, Councilwoman Smooth, I

730
00:29:23,679 --> 00:29:25,440
would I want to hear your questions and

731
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:26,399
concerns. So I

732
00:29:26,399 --> 00:29:28,320
>> I mean I think that it was a direct

733
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,559
question. What we're looking at today in

734
00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:32,720
phase one as recommended by our water

735
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,240
committee and our representative council

736
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,200
member that for a while it was discussed

737
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,679
that it we hope it's going to or it

738
00:29:41,679 --> 00:29:44,000
should. I want to have confidence in it

739
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:44,640
will

740
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,000
>> because we're asking

741
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,640
>> the entire city to pay for these things.

742
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,200
>> And to do that and then to not give them

743
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,159
solutions in PI and in culinary

744
00:29:54,159 --> 00:29:56,640
>> is us doing a disservice.

745
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,559
>> No, no, no. Totally agree. We need to

746
00:29:58,559 --> 00:30:00,559
address both of them, but right now

747
00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:03,039
we're talking about PI only and we will

748
00:30:03,039 --> 00:30:06,000
get to um culinary. That's definitely

749
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,200
the order. Um but we want to tackle one

750
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,279
thing at a time, right? um these are

751
00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:13,760
large chunks that you're talking about.

752
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,120
Um but for me

753
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,039
to have

754
00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:21,679
hydraologists and specialists running

755
00:30:21,679 --> 00:30:23,520
the program that are intimate with our

756
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,320
program um or I guess our um

757
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,159
infrastructure saying, "Hey, this is

758
00:30:28,159 --> 00:30:30,640
what you need and for the biggest bang

759
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,080
for your buck, these are your two

760
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,559
largest."

761
00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:37,919
I don't understand what the hesitancy is

762
00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:40,640
of not moving forward with the well and

763
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,279
with um the booster pumps and the

764
00:30:43,279 --> 00:30:46,399
upsizing for the 400 West well that why

765
00:30:46,399 --> 00:30:49,039
can't we start with that because to me I

766
00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:50,880
know you want to do

767
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,960
>> wait why are you sensing a hesitancy

768
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:53,840
because

769
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,799
>> no no no because your your suggestion to

770
00:30:56,799 --> 00:30:58,720
me was let's do it all. No, my

771
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,360
suggestion is let's talk as a council to

772
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:02,960
decide if we want to pull anything

773
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:07,200
forward just as this storage upsize was

774
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,200
pulled forward. So, I want to make sure

775
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,000
that we've explored every avenue and

776
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,320
that it with confidence we're solving

777
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:15,600
what we're telling the public we're

778
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,559
solving. SP $14 million. So, that's

779
00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:20,799
>> I don't think that we can pretend that

780
00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:24,000
we understand what needs to be up. I

781
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,159
think the only thing that we can do and

782
00:31:26,159 --> 00:31:29,679
you can do as counsel is

783
00:31:29,679 --> 00:31:32,000
>> go on the suggestions of the

784
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,200
specialists.

785
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:34,960
>> Now, are you saying something that's

786
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,120
outstanding other than what's already

787
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:38,080
been done

788
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:42,000
>> only that it doesn't come full circle

789
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,000
>> and Shane's saying it does because they

790
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,279
gave us pictures and not data. that full

791
00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:50,240
circle that if we go one by one and we

792
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,720
say we do this improvement it solves

793
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,200
this much. It's a turn on and off

794
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,600
modeling. It's not like if we do all of

795
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,640
this it solves it. You know we may find

796
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,640
that that the $6 million spend gives us

797
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,960
10% relief.

798
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,159
We might find that the $1 million spend

799
00:32:10,159 --> 00:32:13,279
gives us 90% relief. We haven't been

800
00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:16,480
given that information to determine how

801
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:17,679
to move forward.

802
00:32:17,679 --> 00:32:20,000
>> So, you think that they gave us this

803
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,039
recommendation based on what? Not the

804
00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:24,559
modeling. You think they just threw

805
00:32:24,559 --> 00:32:28,159
these out there because

806
00:32:28,159 --> 00:32:30,399
>> I don't think she's asking or trying to

807
00:32:30,399 --> 00:32:32,320
go against the specialist. I'm just

808
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:33,840
reading this. I think she's just wanting

809
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,440
more information or in a way she can

810
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,440
digest it and understand it to make a

811
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,080
decision. I don't think any of us are

812
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:41,840
wanting to go against specialists. We

813
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,760
love their input. We might not agree

814
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,200
with it. Go ahead.

815
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:46,399
>> Sorry, Andrew.

816
00:32:46,399 --> 00:32:48,080
>> Um, perhaps it would be helpful to just

817
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,519
maybe Shane reemphasized like the two

818
00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:53,760
projects that they recommended like what

819
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,399
area they would service and how they

820
00:32:56,399 --> 00:32:58,799
would alleviate some of our culinary

821
00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:00,799
water for us. Could you maybe just walk

822
00:33:00,799 --> 00:33:01,840
us through those again?

823
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,480
>> Yeah. So, so the Heritage Hills well,

824
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,240
and we've stated this from way back

825
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,279
when, our growth has taken place like in

826
00:33:09,279 --> 00:33:13,200
the Rigid Alpine in Cherry Point, those

827
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:18,240
upper properties which are all in the high zone. And so, our concern then

828
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,120
and now is, hey, we have these lots that

829
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,600
are developed and approved in the city.

830
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,679
Uh, when they're built out on landscape,

831
00:33:25,679 --> 00:33:27,519
we need to be able to provide water for

832
00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:30,640
them. And in a good snowpack year, we

833
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,399
wouldn't need the heritage hills. Well,

834
00:33:32,399 --> 00:33:38,399
but any year like now or even last year, we went basically all summer

835
00:33:38,399 --> 00:33:41,519
with no rain and it wasn't a great snow

836
00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:43,600
pack then. It was way worse this year.

837
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,120
But

838
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,480
um those situations are when that well

839
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,360
would really help because right now um

840
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,600
especially from the start of the

841
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,120
irrigation season till the first part of

842
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,320
July um we rely on taking part of the

843
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,559
growth spring water to feed the high

844
00:34:02,559 --> 00:34:06,320
zone because we're taking water at the

845
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,280
lower diversion um by Zurker's house if

846
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,440
you know where that is

847
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,679
>> not up high.

848
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:16,240
not up by above the the Forest Service

849
00:34:16,240 --> 00:34:19,919
parking lot. And so at that diversion,

850
00:34:19,919 --> 00:34:21,919
at the lower diversion, it puts water

851
00:34:21,919 --> 00:34:24,879
into the reservoir by the church,

852
00:34:24,879 --> 00:34:26,879
not the up, we can't get it to the upper

853
00:34:26,879 --> 00:34:30,320
one. And so it makes it challenging when

854
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,800
it's a drought year and very little snow

855
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,399
pack. So that well would pump directly

856
00:34:36,399 --> 00:34:41,919
into um the high zone which would if

857
00:34:41,919 --> 00:34:44,240
we're pumping it free up some water from

858
00:34:44,240 --> 00:34:46,560
the spring um that could be used in the

859
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,639
culinary system.

860
00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:51,760
Um now we're set up so if we're not

861
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,359
using all the spring water in the

862
00:34:53,359 --> 00:34:55,599
culinary system, we still captured it in

863
00:34:55,599 --> 00:34:58,480
the PI system. So we're not just letting

864
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,880
that go. We're not wasting it. And that

865
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,539
was designed that way on purpose.

866
00:35:04,539 --> 00:35:04,640
>> [clears throat]

867
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,160
>> Um

868
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,400
the booster pumps

869
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,670
um

870
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,240
we don't have [snorts] a direct way to

871
00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:16,560
feed water from kind of it's a little

872
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,599
bit above Westfield Road up up to the

873
00:35:19,599 --> 00:35:23,040
north kind of city boundary. So,

874
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,359
um I know the subdivision names, you

875
00:35:25,359 --> 00:35:28,240
guys might not, but Westfield Oaks and

876
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:30,400
um all those areas basically from 400

877
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,200
West or to Fifer Horn and from a little

878
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,920
above Westfield Road up to Hog Holler

879
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,640
Road or 600 North.

880
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,119
Those areas are in the middle zone. They

881
00:35:41,119 --> 00:35:45,040
rely on pumps that we have on 400 West

882
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:49,520
that aren't really big enough. Um

883
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,760
and

884
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,079
When we get these improvements in, if we

885
00:35:54,079 --> 00:35:56,400
pump like most of our big sources are in

886
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,880
the low zone and so these pumps will

887
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,440
allow us to move more water up to the

888
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,400
next zone above

889
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,240
since there's not a big well in that

890
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:08,960
zone. We have

891
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,800
uh we have three wells that pump into

892
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,320
the high zone um when they're operating.

893
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,320
We actually have two right now and one

894
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:22,079
that's almost back online. Um

895
00:36:22,079 --> 00:36:25,359
but those also are planned for future

896
00:36:25,359 --> 00:36:27,760
culinary use.

897
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,240
Um at least two of the two of the three

898
00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:34,160
are so eventually we'll need those in

899
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,040
the culinary system and so we need to be

900
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:41,119
able to plan for that.

901
00:36:41,119 --> 00:36:42,160
>> So currently [clears throat]

902
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,160
like Fifer horn matter horn do they have

903
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,359
low water pressure? Okay. So that's

904
00:36:47,359 --> 00:36:48,720
>> and hillside

905
00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:51,440
>> well and so high zone water this where

906
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,160
it becomes complicated and a lot of a

907
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,240
little thing here can affect multiple

908
00:36:56,240 --> 00:36:58,000
areas and that's can be kind of hard to

909
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,200
describe but water feeds al besides

910
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,119
being pumped up it also feeds from the

911
00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:05,760
top down. So it's taking water from the

912
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,720
high zone to help feed the west side of

913
00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:12,079
town. So yeah, but from the top end.

914
00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:14,720
>> Yeah. So we'd be able to reduce that

915
00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:17,440
drop down water from the high to middle

916
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:21,520
by pumping more from low to middle.

917
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,760
>> So that's the reason for those pumps.

918
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,680
>> I think I this has helped me kind of

919
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,839
clarify my question like to the modeling

920
00:37:27,839 --> 00:37:29,520
point. Not specifically that I want to

921
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,079
be the expert, but I am responsible for

922
00:37:32,079 --> 00:37:34,880
recommending the expenditures.

923
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,280
And so when I look at the total cost of

924
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,359
each one of these improvements and the

925
00:37:39,359 --> 00:37:43,520
heritage hills well cost 45% of the 14

926
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:47,200
million and the low zone tank cost 33%

927
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,680
and the booster cost 18% and then the

928
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:51,680
other two are under five. I want to be

929
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,160
able to confidently say

930
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,680
that we are going to

931
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,280
mitigate water issues for 45%

932
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,839
of the public like that we're getting or

933
00:38:03,839 --> 00:38:07,280
10% like at least I can say hey you

934
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,240
we're all now pitching in. No, I No, I

935
00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:12,240
think that's a good way to look at it.

936
00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:15,520
But we are um that's like if you're on

937
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,240
Defcon. Is Defcon one the most

938
00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:20,640
>> or is it three? Whatever it is, that's

939
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,720
if you're like on this level here and

940
00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:25,119
you have the luxury to plan ahead. But

941
00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:27,599
we're at a point now based on our WA

942
00:38:27,599 --> 00:38:30,880
master water plan. We have approved

943
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,240
subdivisions. We have entitled lots out

944
00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:36,320
there that have every right to build

945
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,119
out. And what Shane is saying right now,

946
00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:40,880
we have people building that are putting

947
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,040
in yards and we are not going to have

948
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,079
enough water to service them. We have to

949
00:38:46,079 --> 00:38:48,079
we're obligated by giving them those

950
00:38:48,079 --> 00:38:50,240
building permits. We're obligated to

951
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:53,280
service them. So, you're right. That's a

952
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:54,800
lot of money. And are we going to be

953
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,760
able to benefit 100% or 90% of the

954
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,280
residents? No.

955
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:00,240
>> I'm just saying the

956
00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:02,000
>> I don't know what the percentage is. My

957
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,400
understanding is it's high and it's

958
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,800
going to the middle, right? I'm not sure

959
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,760
how much it's going to affect um the low

960
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,160
zone, but my understanding is that it

961
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,040
will service the high zone that we need

962
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,680
now and then it will help equalize the

963
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,079
pressure for the mid zones

964
00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:22,480
um that the well will do. Um as far as

965
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:27,920
the low um the expansion tank,

966
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,880
>> I bet a third town will benefit from the

967
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,800
expansion tank. I mean, I'm just You

968
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,119
look at it, you think about gravity.

969
00:39:35,119 --> 00:39:37,680
>> Um, everything report says we need more

970
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,280
storage. There's nothing that doesn't

971
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,119
say we need more storage.

972
00:39:41,119 --> 00:39:43,280
>> I bet a third of the residents are going

973
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,200
to benefit from the expansion tape,

974
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,560
>> right? But right now, it's

975
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,359
being able to just give the bare minimum

976
00:39:51,359 --> 00:39:53,040
service to our residents that are

977
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:54,880
entitled right That's why we have to go

978
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,960
through this arduous process because

979
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:58,800
we're already seeing what was modeled

980
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,680
before and that we based our rates on

981
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,280
and where we're at today and what we

982
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:07,520
approved for incoming subdivisions.

983
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,560
We are we were deficient and we can't

984
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:14,000
meet our current recommended services.

985
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,880
And so, so I think like you're maybe

986
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,599
interpreting us really deep diving into

987
00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:21,520
this that we're trying to somehow be

988
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,599
engineers of water, but we're actually

989
00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:25,359
being planners of a city.

990
00:40:25,359 --> 00:40:27,839
>> And I don't want to in five or 10 years

991
00:40:27,839 --> 00:40:30,000
come back to our residents and say,

992
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,320
"Hey, we came to you and we said we were

993
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:33,520
doing

994
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,040
>> generational

995
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,680
water solution." I haven't even told

996
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:38,800
them we're not even talking about

997
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,040
culinary. We haven't even brought

998
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,119
culinary on to the table for the

999
00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:44,000
discussion.

1000
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,440
>> No, you're totally right. We haven't yet

1001
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:46,560
and we will,

1002
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:46,880
>> right?

1003
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,520
>> But what we have to look at is what

1004
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:50,880
little chunks.

1005
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,720
>> From our last city council meeting, you

1006
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:54,400
said, "Hey, let's do it all." And I'm

1007
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:54,560
like,

1008
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,319
>> "Let's discuss doing it all."

1009
00:40:56,319 --> 00:40:57,839
>> No, you said, "What about doing both?"

1010
00:40:57,839 --> 00:40:59,440
And I said, "No, I don't see that

1011
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,040
happening because the bonding amount is

1012
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,880
so much to me." So what we're doing now

1013
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,119
is breaking it up into chunks because

1014
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:08,720
there's no way even with all of these

1015
00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:10,319
that we could start all these projects

1016
00:41:10,319 --> 00:41:12,400
at the same time. Even if we had the

1017
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,480
money and the bonding in place, there's

1018
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,720
only so much you can do for the system.

1019
00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:18,319
And obviously we can't be working on

1020
00:41:18,319 --> 00:41:21,599
some of the system during the irrigation

1021
00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:23,760
process, right? So you have to look at

1022
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,560
for me the way I look at it is um you

1023
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,240
know whether it's these two or whatever

1024
00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:30,160
but that you break it up into chunks

1025
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,000
because me personally I don't want to

1026
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,760
pay interest on a bond on a project

1027
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,040
that's not going to get started for

1028
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,040
three to five years. I would like to

1029
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:38,800
bond on projects that we can get started

1030
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,040
right away and start working on that we

1031
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,200
can see immediate benefits and then once

1032
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,359
that's done let's see what other

1033
00:41:45,359 --> 00:41:48,000
projects we can tick off on the existing

1034
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,560
deficiencies while we take advantage of

1035
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:54,160
the full buildout as situations arise

1036
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,920
and we can move forward. I think um the

1037
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,319
low expansion thing that's something

1038
00:42:00,319 --> 00:42:02,000
that we're trying to address. Hopefully

1039
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,744
that will go through. But

1040
00:42:03,744 --> 00:42:05,760
[clears throat] to me, it's let's start

1041
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,119
working on these projects that are

1042
00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:09,280
suggested. Let's break it up into chunks

1043
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,680
that make sense. Let's not waste money

1044
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,359
on interest on projects that we're not

1045
00:42:13,359 --> 00:42:14,800
going to get started for a while. I

1046
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:15,839
don't want to pay three years of

1047
00:42:15,839 --> 00:42:17,280
interest on something that's not even

1048
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,000
going to start right away. I would like

1049
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,640
to be able to approve projects, get the

1050
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,119
bonding done, and get it started. That's

1051
00:42:25,119 --> 00:42:27,280
what I think we need. That's what the

1052
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:28,960
specialists are telling us. That's what

1053
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,079
Shane is telling us.

1054
00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:34,400
There's nothing to stop us from getting

1055
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,640
a second bond or expanding the bond.

1056
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,400
>> Oh, for sure. No, totally.

1057
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:39,760
>> I I that makes sense to me.

1058
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,200
>> To me, you break it up. Instead of

1059
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:42,000
doing,

1060
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:42,640
>> right,

1061
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:48,640
>> you know, a $35 million bond, let's do these two projects. Let's move

1062
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:49,359
forward.

1063
00:42:49,359 --> 00:42:51,440
>> We need to but we need to also address

1064
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,599
culinary. So as we're moving forward to

1065
00:42:53,599 --> 00:42:56,240
not say that culinary is part of our

1066
00:42:56,240 --> 00:43:00,079
overall plan to make us self- sustaining

1067
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:02,640
>> and to improve that that's a huge miss.

1068
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,200
I'm not comfortable going to the public

1069
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,160
and saying we're we are working on water

1070
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,480
and it's fixed and then we haven't even

1071
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,920
put in the works conversation funding

1072
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,240
rate studies including I asked the

1073
00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:19,440
gentleman from Horox or no from the bank

1074
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,280
hey are we going to use culinary because

1075
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,280
it's going to improve our culinary and

1076
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,400
he didn't even know about that so that's

1077
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,960
a huge miss we cannot go to the public

1078
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:30,720
without addressing culinary

1079
00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:34,000
>> where's the concern In the culinary

1080
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,599
system,

1081
00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:37,359
>> there's a several sheets of

1082
00:43:37,359 --> 00:43:39,280
deficiencies.

1083
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,599
>> So, most of those, so the standard used

1084
00:43:41,599 --> 00:43:46,160
to be uh 6 in pipes were the minimum and

1085
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,720
back probably early in my career, it

1086
00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:52,400
changed from six to eight and and

1087
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,040
fireflow requirements changed. And so

1088
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,839
most of those are just overcoming a

1089
00:43:57,839 --> 00:43:59,680
little bit of like all those little

1090
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,400
pipes you see like I'm trying to think

1091
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,680
Scenic Drive's got a little section. Uh

1092
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,160
Svin Street has a little section.

1093
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,760
Stonehenge has a little section. Um

1094
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,839
those are all little projects that we've

1095
00:44:13,839 --> 00:44:16,400
been just chipping away at with our

1096
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,520
water uh line replacement projects

1097
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,480
besides some lines that have failed just

1098
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,640
to due to hot soils and different

1099
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,359
things. So those are things we can chip

1100
00:44:27,359 --> 00:44:32,000
away at just as as replacement.

1101
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,680
>> Well, the experts are saying we have a

1102
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,400
$14 million capital improvement need. So

1103
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,040
that should go into our rate study and

1104
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,760
address it. Those aren't just little for

1105
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,280
the culinary study. That's a totally

1106
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,200
separate water study.

1107
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:46,560
>> That's what I'm talking about though.

1108
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,720
We're talking about water.

1109
00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:50,319
>> We are, but right now we're talking

1110
00:44:50,319 --> 00:44:52,480
about PI. These are two separate

1111
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:52,960
systems.

1112
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,480
>> And we're saying as a council, we want

1113
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,040
them together. Let like finish PI. We

1114
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:57,520
all want

1115
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,480
>> together. Why don't we do PI first and

1116
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,720
then we will bring back the culinary and

1117
00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:04,800
then tackle the culinary. To me, what

1118
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,680
I've seen in the culinary, um, the main

1119
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,480
thing is the tank replacement. That's a

1120
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:10,880
big challenge.

1121
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,200
>> If we're spending $14 million, they're

1122
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:14,720
interrelated. I mean, we were talking

1123
00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:17,839
about a $1.5 million roundabout somehow

1124
00:45:17,839 --> 00:45:19,839
shutting down improving water.

1125
00:45:19,839 --> 00:45:22,880
>> So, how is culinary?

1126
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,040
>> We're not shutting down improving water.

1127
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,960
>> How is $15 million not related to $14

1128
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:30,319
million?

1129
00:45:30,319 --> 00:45:32,240
>> Yes, Chrissy.

1130
00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:35,440
>> Okay. Luckily, um, I brought my water

1131
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,240
study with me and I'm I'm seeing this 14

1132
00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:39,680
million. We'll start with that that

1133
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,359
Jessica's mentioning, but of the 14

1134
00:45:43,359 --> 00:45:46,560
million, that's all to growth. So, the

1135
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,640
way things are funded is our also

1136
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:52,640
through impact fees. So, um,

1137
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:53,520
>> that's

1138
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:59,520
>> we we will we will and can get help from

1139
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,480
future residents

1140
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,520
with those those needs that that doesn't

1141
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,480
just fall to the general not the general

1142
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,280
population because it's attributed to

1143
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,599
growth. And so part of the study is to

1144
00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:16,640
adjust the impact fees to pay for a lot

1145
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,560
of that 14 million um right there. See

1146
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,440
how they break it out. So the cost

1147
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,319
existing and growth. Now this is just PI

1148
00:46:26,319 --> 00:46:28,079
I'm looking sorry I'm looking at her

1149
00:46:28,079 --> 00:46:29,839
what she's talking about culinary is

1150
00:46:29,839 --> 00:46:32,400
>> right the culinary existing cost is $12

1151
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:33,119
million.

1152
00:46:33,119 --> 00:46:35,920
>> Okay you guys let's stay to

1153
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,319
>> I want to take that same I'm just that's

1154
00:46:38,319 --> 00:46:39,599
where she ended. So I'm going to bring

1155
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:41,599
it back. You can pull up that table you

1156
00:46:41,599 --> 00:46:42,960
just had open.

1157
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,400
>> So again, funding here. My question then

1158
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,359
relates back to what I just said about

1159
00:46:49,359 --> 00:46:52,880
impact fees. We a lot. So we have $14

1160
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,200
million of pro not to confuse the 14

1161
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:59,359
million because the 14 million for PI

1162
00:46:59,359 --> 00:47:01,280
she was referring Jessica's referring to

1163
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,200
culinary and I was showing that I'm

1164
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,119
looking here that that's 14 million in

1165
00:47:05,119 --> 00:47:07,440
culinary is attributable to growth which

1166
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,400
is what the explanation from Shane just

1167
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,040
confirmed but that and if you go back to

1168
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,319
the table

1169
00:47:16,319 --> 00:47:18,720
um that there's colonary see how a lot

1170
00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:22,400
of its growth over there on the Right.

1171
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,359
And then

1172
00:47:25,359 --> 00:47:28,000
>> okay, mine mine is mine is different.

1173
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,240
This was October 2025.

1174
00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:31,839
>> Yeah. No, when he was talking about the

1175
00:47:31,839 --> 00:47:34,960
upsizes, that was just a change in um

1176
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,240
state regulations or is it state or

1177
00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:38,960
>> it's state?

1178
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:40,960
regulations. So, it doesn't

1179
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:42,800
have anything to do with growth on

1180
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,960
upsizing because that's right.

1181
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:46,400
>> A lot of that area is built up.

1182
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,040
>> Okay. I I'm sorry. I let let's not go

1183
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:50,720
because since we're looking at different

1184
00:47:50,720 --> 00:47:51,520
information,

1185
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:52,160
>> but I don't think

1186
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:53,520
>> let's just talk go back where we

1187
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:54,640
started. What we should be talking about

1188
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:55,760
is the PI system.

1189
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:56,960
>> Exactly. That's what I was trying to

1190
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:57,280
say.

1191
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:58,960
>> Thank you. Let's just go I was just

1192
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,200
going to clarify that. But let's since

1193
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,839
I'm looking at different information, I don't have that chart that you just

1194
00:48:03,839 --> 00:48:05,280
showed. So today we're talking but now I

1195
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,680
am looking at this. So of this uh so

1196
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,440
when we're looking at these specific

1197
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,480
projects, item number two is a Heritage

1198
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,520
Hills well. The total is 6 million. Is

1199
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,400
that what yours shows? Yes. 5 million 1

1200
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,400
million over there on growth. And then

1201
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,559
the other recommended project is the

1202
00:48:22,559 --> 00:48:24,960
booster pipe 2.4

1203
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,920
two is existing deficiencies

1204
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,720
and then a small portion 400,000 comes

1205
00:48:30,720 --> 00:48:33,920
from. So when we go to bond um can you

1206
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,240
help me understand the financing

1207
00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:38,880
structure is that we would bond for

1208
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,480
let's just say we went ahead with the

1209
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,359
six and the two combined which is like

1210
00:48:43,359 --> 00:48:45,760
we're saying 9 million.

1211
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,000
Do we pair do we pay off as we collect

1212
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,800
impact fees and and new lots are

1213
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,520
approved or using fund balance of impact

1214
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,640
fees not the um utility fund fund

1215
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,280
balance? Can we use that to fund these

1216
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,480
projects and how much of the projects do

1217
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,680
you anticipate funding from impact fees

1218
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,319
rather than bonding on the two that are

1219
00:49:08,319 --> 00:49:09,920
proposed?

1220
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,720
Is it just like it's been shown here? Is

1221
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:14,720
like a the breakout between the existing

1222
00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:17,839
column and the growth or how much Yeah.

1223
00:49:17,839 --> 00:49:19,440
How much can we count on from impact

1224
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,359
fees to help with the cost of these

1225
00:49:21,359 --> 00:49:22,240
specific two

1226
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:24,079
>> project? Projects we can't not if we're

1227
00:49:24,079 --> 00:49:25,599
going to get started right away. You're

1228
00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:27,040
talking about future growth. So these

1229
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,040
are based on as they come in for their

1230
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:30,559
building permits, they have to pay

1231
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:33,440
impact fees for water, road,

1232
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,480
infrastructure, right? Sewer, parks,

1233
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,440
whatever else that we have. um that that

1234
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,880
is all future money not now money when

1235
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:43,200
you're

1236
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,200
>> right but the bond is for if the bond

1237
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,119
because as you know I just started

1238
00:49:47,119 --> 00:49:49,200
working for a water district and so what

1239
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,319
I'm seeing is as same everything is very

1240
00:49:52,319 --> 00:49:54,480
familiar and it's you know seven

1241
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:58,079
different districts so only one has debt

1242
00:49:58,079 --> 00:50:00,880
and there it was taken out like 10 years

1243
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:04,000
ago as we collect in my in this new

1244
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,319
district I work for as we are collecting

1245
00:50:06,319 --> 00:50:10,160
impact fees is um you know it's taken 10

1246
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:11,599
years to build out, right? We're not

1247
00:50:11,599 --> 00:50:13,040
even halfway through. We've got a long

1248
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,520
ways to go. We do we do collect impact

1249
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,000
fees and then we redeem some of the

1250
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,040
bonds with that because we couldn't like

1251
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:22,079
you're saying we didn't have all the

1252
00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:23,760
funds to begin with. Is that how this is

1253
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:24,800
going to work? Yes.

1254
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:26,720
>> Are we going to fund it all and then

1255
00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:29,200
eventually we could the potentially

1256
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,079
collect um another 1.5 million just

1257
00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:34,480
looking at this chart in impact fees and

1258
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,559
redeem some of our bonds.

1259
00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:38,800
>> As we collect impact fees, they will go

1260
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,800
towards the bond payment which is what's

1261
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:42,720
been happening right now. Part comes

1262
00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:44,960
from fees and part comes from impact

1263
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:45,920
fees.

1264
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,319
>> But the problem with impact fees

1265
00:50:48,319 --> 00:50:51,440
>> is they can be unstable because growth

1266
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:52,960
patterns change,

1267
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,760
>> right? We're not in a high growth time.

1268
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,079
Um we we build a ton of infrastructure

1269
00:50:58,079 --> 00:51:02,160
in this city with impact fees back when

1270
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,319
growth rates were much higher

1271
00:51:04,319 --> 00:51:06,319
>> and so you have to be careful relying

1272
00:51:06,319 --> 00:51:08,480
too heavily on those to make your

1273
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,800
payments. That's why the user rates are

1274
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,720
very important. if you

1275
00:51:12,720 --> 00:51:15,040
>> um so though in anticipating these I

1276
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:16,319
know they're not on topic but since

1277
00:51:16,319 --> 00:51:19,119
we're going a deep dive into water today

1278
00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:21,599
these these two four projects that are

1279
00:51:21,599 --> 00:51:23,680
not making no three projects that are

1280
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,400
not making the list um the one being the

1281
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,440
low tank zone expansion where that's a

1282
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,000
big chunk the 4.4 4 million could come

1283
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,359
from growth. Have we, how do I want to

1284
00:51:35,359 --> 00:51:38,720
say this? Have we collected impact fees

1285
00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:42,160
um lower than what the new costs are and

1286
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,720
so we have to make up the gap or do we

1287
00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:47,520
anticipate future growth covering this?

1288
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,880
If we if in the magic world like we have

1289
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:54,800
a 20-year bond over the next 20 years we

1290
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:59,040
fill fill out to 100%. Could we expect

1291
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:03,040
to expect 6.1 million in impact fees?

1292
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:03,440
>> So

1293
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,760
>> or is that not a 1:1 ratio?

1294
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,599
>> What you should actually expect is to

1295
00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:10,000
have to bond for this and then hope you

1296
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,000
get impact fees to help cover some of

1297
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,400
the payments because you can only hold

1298
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,520
impact fees for six years.

1299
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,160
And so it gets very challenging these

1300
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:23,680
days in Alpine to collect enough money

1301
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:27,040
in six years with maybe 30 homes a year

1302
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:28,800
to build one of these projects with

1303
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:30,480
solely impact fees.

1304
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,319
>> No. Right. I understand we have to pay

1305
00:52:32,319 --> 00:52:33,839
for it up like I understand that we're

1306
00:52:33,839 --> 00:52:35,680
going to have to bond for the full 9

1307
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,680
million. This is how I'm just trying to

1308
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,160
understand the how do impact fees factor

1309
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,200
into the financial side of it. So we

1310
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,280
bond for the full thing. As we collect

1311
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,760
impact fees, we can pay off. We can use

1312
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,480
them to make the bond payment in gross

1313
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,880
total like just if everything you know

1314
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,119
worked out according to this chart. Are

1315
00:52:55,119 --> 00:52:57,599
we is there enough buildout to to

1316
00:52:57,599 --> 00:52:59,760
collect whether it takes 5 years or 20

1317
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,319
years 6 million in impact fees?

1318
00:53:02,319 --> 00:53:05,200
>> No, that's where that's where the rate

1319
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,200
studies will go into effect.

1320
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,680
>> Well, that's the impact fee. The

1321
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:13,599
recommended impact fee is based on these

1322
00:53:13,599 --> 00:53:16,160
tables that show a certain amount of one

1323
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,800
project being growth and the rest of it

1324
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,680
being an existing deficiency. So all the

1325
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:23,520
growth component

1326
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,640
is uh taken into account in calculating

1327
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:28,960
the impact fee.

1328
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:30,800
>> Right. But so as that's what I'm saying

1329
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:32,400
in that in that calculation that you're

1330
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,040
talking about Shane, it's done in such a

1331
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:36,960
manner that they're looking at what our

1332
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,280
future buildout would be and I'm just

1333
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:40,319
saying if everything worked out

1334
00:53:40,319 --> 00:53:42,000
perfectly, which it never does, it would

1335
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,559
we could collect 6 million potentially.

1336
00:53:44,559 --> 00:53:45,440
>> Yes.

1337
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:50,480
>> Okay. Okay. because I do think that's good to for us to understand that

1338
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,319
when we're looking at the full cost of

1339
00:53:52,319 --> 00:53:56,559
our 14 million in PI a lot of that is

1340
00:53:56,559 --> 00:53:58,559
not just coming from our current

1341
00:53:58,559 --> 00:54:01,280
taxpayers our current residents and and

1342
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,359
Jessica has pointed out how many will

1343
00:54:03,359 --> 00:54:05,839
benefit well a lot of the benefits of

1344
00:54:05,839 --> 00:54:07,520
these projects not these two

1345
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,599
specifically but if you look at it in

1346
00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:13,359
whole 6 million of the 14 million is

1347
00:54:13,359 --> 00:54:15,520
going to benefit future residents

1348
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:16,880
they're going to pay through the nose

1349
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:18,880
for all that because our our impact fees

1350
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,280
are going to collect 6 million pe $6

1351
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,839
million from future residents. And so

1352
00:54:23,839 --> 00:54:25,839
we're asking, you know, current

1353
00:54:25,839 --> 00:54:28,400
residents to pay the 8 million. So, I

1354
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,160
just want to unders I just wanted to

1355
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,040
point that out and understand that yes,

1356
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,040
we need to bond for the full nine

1357
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,119
because we we're not growing fast enough

1358
00:54:37,119 --> 00:54:38,980
to pay for stuff um with impact

1359
00:54:38,980 --> 00:54:41,920
[clears throat] fees, but over time we

1360
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,160
will collect impact fees that would

1361
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,800
reduce the the obligation on our current

1362
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:47,839
residents.

1363
00:54:47,839 --> 00:54:49,599
>> Could I ask a follow-up question?

1364
00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:49,920
>> Yeah.

1365
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:51,839
>> So, with

1366
00:54:51,839 --> 00:54:53,359
Is that correct though? Is that a

1367
00:54:53,359 --> 00:54:55,599
correct assumption though? I I I'm not

1368
00:54:55,599 --> 00:54:56,960
there so I can't see you're visually

1369
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:58,400
nodding your heads yes or no.

1370
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:00,720
>> I can give you an example. The sewer

1371
00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:03,280
system was built in the late 70s like

1372
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:06,559
finished I think in 79. Um if you look

1373
00:55:06,559 --> 00:55:10,240
at our sewer impact fee plan u because

1374
00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:12,319
extra capacity was built into the

1375
00:55:12,319 --> 00:55:16,400
system, we can actually take uh some

1376
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,559
impact fee money each year based on the

1377
00:55:18,559 --> 00:55:21,599
number of building permits we have and

1378
00:55:21,599 --> 00:55:24,559
transfer that to the sewer general fund.

1379
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:25,599
Okay. Right.

1380
00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:27,839
>> Because they're buying into that system.

1381
00:55:27,839 --> 00:55:29,599
>> But is the potential for us to collect

1382
00:55:29,599 --> 00:55:33,200
impact fees? The total 1.124 million for

1383
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,599
the Heritage Hills well on impact fees.

1384
00:55:35,599 --> 00:55:38,480
And then the booster pump is the 440. So

1385
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,800
a total of 1.55

1386
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:44,000
million going towards the 9 million.

1387
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:45,839
>> Right? So that would that would be the

1388
00:55:45,839 --> 00:55:48,640
balance would be 7.5. You know, using

1389
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:50,480
very rounded numbers. Do you know what

1390
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:51,760
I'm saying? I'm just pointing that out

1391
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,400
that in these two projects, the bulk of

1392
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,400
it is not for growth. It's to meet

1393
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,799
existing deficiencies. But if we if we

1394
00:55:58,799 --> 00:56:00,559
were talking about and we will in the

1395
00:56:00,559 --> 00:56:03,040
future, the low zone tank expansion, you

1396
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:04,960
know, the bulk of that project will be

1397
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,680
paid for by future residents. So, I just

1398
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,880
wanted to just be clear like on the all

1399
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,680
three columns are being understood about

1400
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:15,920
who's paying for what. And that was the

1401
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:19,200
end. if when we get to a different um

1402
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,200
when we get have a different spot. I I

1403
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,680
had another comment or clarification I

1404
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,240
needed but I think this is a good

1405
00:56:26,240 --> 00:56:28,720
thought process. So go ahead uh Sarah

1406
00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:30,400
and and we'll get to the other my other

1407
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:31,200
thing later.

1408
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,359
>> Okay. So for the Heritage Hills well you

1409
00:56:33,359 --> 00:56:34,720
said it serves the Ridge and Cherry

1410
00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:36,720
Point developments. Is there a reason

1411
00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:40,480
why not more of that is being paid by

1412
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:43,520
that growth, those new developments?

1413
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:45,760
Only 1.12

1414
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:47,599
is being paid by growth. Aren't those

1415
00:56:47,599 --> 00:56:50,000
fairly new developments? Why wouldn't if

1416
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:51,839
that well is going to help serve?

1417
00:56:51,839 --> 00:56:54,160
>> There's there's other areas and other

1418
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,480
homes that are already in that zone. But

1419
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:59,920
though I gave those to you as examples

1420
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:01,839
>> of you got a lot of vacant lots up

1421
00:57:01,839 --> 00:57:02,240
there.

1422
00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:05,200
>> Yeah. that the demand is not there yet,

1423
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,280
but it will be once they landscape.

1424
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:10,480
>> And you also have to consider that um

1425
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,480
this is all brand new. The numbers are

1426
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,760
because if you look at the 2021 study,

1427
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,000
the numbers are much less. And so we

1428
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,000
based our impact fees on the lower

1429
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:21,920
amount. And so that's why it's not a

1430
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:23,599
higher number. You're you're seeing all

1431
00:57:23,599 --> 00:57:24,880
I understand where you're coming from.

1432
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:26,400
you're seeing all this growth that's

1433
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,359
happening recently, but this is just as

1434
00:57:29,359 --> 00:57:31,760
of what end of last year that we got

1435
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:35,040
these numbers. And so, um,

1436
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,359
>> that's what you're looking at.

1437
00:57:37,359 --> 00:57:40,720
>> Mayor Br.

1438
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:43,200
>> As taxpayers, we're generally concerned

1439
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:44,960
that when taxes rise, they very, very

1440
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:46,640
rarely drop. Same thing with these are

1441
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:48,640
fees. So, same thing, fees. So, we're

1442
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:50,319
going to base our fee structure on this

1443
00:57:50,319 --> 00:57:52,720
$9 million bond, which is great. I think

1444
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:54,079
that's the right way to go. We've

1445
00:57:54,079 --> 00:57:56,559
already disc as we've discussed, but as

1446
00:57:56,559 --> 00:57:58,319
we get impact fees to pay down that

1447
00:57:58,319 --> 00:58:00,000
principle, will there be an adjustment

1448
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,880
to the rates to take into account the

1449
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:04,960
application of those impact fees to

1450
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,599
reduce the cost of the borrowing? Or is

1451
00:58:07,599 --> 00:58:09,040
it are we always going to collect the

1452
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:12,720
same rates based on the $9 million bond

1453
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:14,319
and then just apply that to future

1454
00:58:14,319 --> 00:58:17,520
projects? Well, I I think it's

1455
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,240
back to we're chipping away at projects

1456
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:22,160
whether you know we take on the $9

1457
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,559
million worth of projects or add and do

1458
00:58:24,559 --> 00:58:28,720
more than that. Um, but that's just like

1459
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,359
a small piece of the puzzle. So, we're

1460
00:58:31,359 --> 00:58:34,640
still paying off our first bond. Well,

1461
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:36,559
it's our second because we refinanced

1462
00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:38,960
and added some money and there's like I

1463
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,760
think four more payments left on end.

1464
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:45,760
But I'm just seeing like a continual

1465
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:47,280
bond.

1466
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:48,400
Um,

1467
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,880
>> so maybe it would reduce the amount we'd

1468
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:52,079
have to bond for the future.

1469
00:58:52,079 --> 00:58:52,960
>> Yeah.

1470
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:54,480
>> Or that we could use it towards these

1471
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:55,760
other projects, right?

1472
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:56,400
>> Yes.

1473
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,880
>> So that we don't have to maybe bond as

1474
00:58:58,880 --> 00:58:59,520
soon.

1475
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:01,359
>> But is there ever a chance that we

1476
00:59:01,359 --> 00:59:04,880
reduce rates or is that something that

1477
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:06,319
>> Yes, there is. With cost going up,

1478
00:59:06,319 --> 00:59:07,359
>> it's not needed. Yeah.

1479
00:59:07,359 --> 00:59:08,480
>> Okay. I was just curious.

1480
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:09,920
>> But you actually have to if it's not

1481
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:10,400
needed, right?

1482
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,160
>> Yeah. Okay,

1483
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,559
>> it's not looking possible in the near

1484
00:59:14,559 --> 00:59:15,440
future. I'll just

1485
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,680
>> I would think the only way would be if

1486
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:19,440
we just had a ton of rain and we are

1487
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,280
supposed to get monsunal storms next

1488
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:22,160
week

1489
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,240
>> then you know that automatically brings

1490
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,799
down your water bills but that's bad for

1491
00:59:26,799 --> 00:59:28,880
us for our bond payments though. How are

1492
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:30,960
we going to make up for the

1493
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:32,480
>> and going back to the comment that

1494
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,280
culinary is separate from PI. I'm still

1495
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:36,960
having a hard time understanding that

1496
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:40,079
when it's been presented that this is

1497
00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:43,359
going to give us culinary relief. And if

1498
00:59:43,359 --> 00:59:46,160
the Heritage Hills well

1499
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:47,839
is going to be part of the culinary

1500
00:59:47,839 --> 00:59:49,599
relief effort, aren't there some things

1501
00:59:49,599 --> 00:59:51,119
that we need to do to improve the

1502
00:59:51,119 --> 00:59:52,799
Heritage Hills well so it can deliver

1503
00:59:52,799 --> 00:59:55,359
culinary water to our culinary system if

1504
00:59:55,359 --> 00:59:57,839
we are looking for redundancies?

1505
00:59:57,839 --> 00:59:59,520
>> No, we're not we're not planning the

1506
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,720
Heritage Hills well to be culinary. So

1507
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,359
it doesn't improve culinary.

1508
01:00:05,359 --> 01:00:07,920
>> Well, it does for what I said before. If

1509
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:09,920
I think as a byproduct, it does

1510
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:10,880
>> spring

1511
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:12,319
>> that's currently being used in the

1512
01:00:12,319 --> 01:00:14,640
irrigation system, it would be replaced

1513
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:16,319
by the Heritage Hills well.

1514
01:00:16,319 --> 01:00:17,760
>> Okay. And then

1515
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:19,920
>> we already have redundancy in our

1516
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:20,880
culinary system.

1517
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,280
>> We have wells that aren't being pumped

1518
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:24,640
>> with those.

1519
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,119
>> So how is that water delivered into our

1520
01:00:27,119 --> 01:00:29,359
culinary system? Do the delivery systems

1521
01:00:29,359 --> 01:00:31,280
exist or do we all

1522
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:32,640
>> the wells? They do. Yeah.

1523
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:33,359
>> Yes. Indoor.

1524
01:00:33,359 --> 01:00:36,000
>> Yeah. But just think back before PI 100%

1525
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,400
of our water indoor and outdoor went

1526
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:39,200
through the colonies.

1527
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,280
>> So what was our population at that time

1528
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:44,480
though? Uh, I mean,

1529
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:45,839
>> so Jessica, I think you're

1530
01:00:45,839 --> 01:00:46,559
>> four or five

1531
01:00:46,559 --> 01:00:47,119
>> probably.

1532
01:00:47,119 --> 01:00:48,640
>> I think Jessica is kind of going through

1533
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:50,240
the same misunderstanding that I did

1534
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:51,920
that there was a huge deficiency in our

1535
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,079
culinary system because we had a couple

1536
01:00:54,079 --> 01:00:56,880
instances whether we had to turn off the

1537
01:00:56,880 --> 01:01:01,040
um splash pad and where we had to ask um

1538
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,040
some of the residents not to water, but

1539
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:04,640
that was because there was a breakdown

1540
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:06,720
in the system. like there was a pump,

1541
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:09,040
there was a booster pump that broke and

1542
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:11,440
then there was I forget what that was,

1543
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:13,920
but I thought it was a huge deficiency

1544
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:15,280
and that we needed to provide more

1545
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:16,079
culinary work.

1546
01:01:16,079 --> 01:01:17,680
>> No, we we actually show that we have

1547
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:19,760
more than enough as far as supplyinary.

1548
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:20,079
Yes.

1549
01:01:20,079 --> 01:01:23,839
>> My big concern is redundancy that we're

1550
01:01:23,839 --> 01:01:25,359
spending

1551
01:01:25,359 --> 01:01:27,520
several million dollars redundancy for

1552
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:30,480
sprinklers, but we right now don't have

1553
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:33,920
a redundancy to service every Alpine

1554
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:36,559
resident. And so I We have several to my

1555
01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:39,359
own home and before like if I'm looking

1556
01:01:39,359 --> 01:01:40,640
in my own home.

1557
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:42,880
>> So Shane, how many culinary wells do we

1558
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:44,240
have? I know

1559
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:44,880
>> we

1560
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:45,839
>> one for three.

1561
01:01:45,839 --> 01:01:46,559
>> We have three.

1562
01:01:46,559 --> 01:01:48,720
>> Okay. So we have the spring and we have

1563
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:50,640
three culinary wells. The three culinary

1564
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:52,720
wells are the redundancy.

1565
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:54,480
>> And are those three wells enough to

1566
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:56,559
service the city with culinary water in

1567
01:01:56,559 --> 01:01:58,000
case of like let's say there was an

1568
01:01:58,000 --> 01:01:59,920
earthquake the spring something. We we

1569
01:01:59,920 --> 01:02:01,599
can't access that water anymore.

1570
01:02:01,599 --> 01:02:04,960
>> Yeah. right now. Um, I'm put on the

1571
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:06,799
spot. I would say yes, but okay.

1572
01:02:06,799 --> 01:02:08,319
>> I I think so.

1573
01:02:08,319 --> 01:02:08,559
>> Okay.

1574
01:02:08,559 --> 01:02:11,280
>> Well, again, reviewing.

1575
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:13,200
>> We're not talking about culinary right

1576
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:14,160
now.

1577
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:15,200
>> Let's talk about PI

1578
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:18,480
>> because we're spending $9 million, but

1579
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:20,480
sprinklers, not drinking water.

1580
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,440
>> So, to say they're not related is doing

1581
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:25,359
our public a disservice.

1582
01:02:25,359 --> 01:02:27,680
>> Jessica, I told you we're gonna go over

1583
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:29,599
that. It's a whole different work

1584
01:02:29,599 --> 01:02:31,680
session. It's a whole different thing.

1585
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:33,359
>> And I did have a couple slides on

1586
01:02:33,359 --> 01:02:35,040
culinary because some questions that

1587
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:37,760
came in were culinary. So I added some

1588
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:40,720
there. But but

1589
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:43,839
>> so when is the last time in general that

1590
01:02:43,839 --> 01:02:47,440
we had to ask residents to back off 50%

1591
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:49,520
on their culinary use?

1592
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:51,599
>> We we haven't had to. Our culinary

1593
01:02:51,599 --> 01:02:54,559
system is good. There's little things

1594
01:02:54,559 --> 01:02:55,839
here and there. If you look at those

1595
01:02:55,839 --> 01:02:57,920
maps, we need to replace some 6 inch

1596
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:00,720
lines with 8 inch lines. and do some

1597
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:02,400
looping and a couple things, but our

1598
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:04,640
culinary system was good. We had to shut

1599
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:07,920
it off uh for the splash pad couple days

1600
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:11,520
early because it happened on a Friday.

1601
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:14,079
Uh Greg started running out of water. We

1602
01:03:14,079 --> 01:03:16,960
could turn the 300 East well on, but we

1603
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:19,359
had to get a bacteria sample first. It

1604
01:03:19,359 --> 01:03:21,599
was on a holiday weekend. We couldn't

1605
01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:23,520
have the bacteria sample back until

1606
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:26,720
Tuesday. So, the best option we had is

1607
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:29,119
to shut the splash pad off

1608
01:03:29,119 --> 01:03:31,119
>> to make sure people had water inside

1609
01:03:31,119 --> 01:03:33,680
their homes. That's why that was done.

1610
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,240
If we had had the bacteria sample

1611
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,079
already on the well, we could have

1612
01:03:38,079 --> 01:03:39,599
flipped the switch,

1613
01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:41,599
>> pumped it to waste to clean it up, and

1614
01:03:41,599 --> 01:03:42,880
turn it into the system.

1615
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:44,559
>> It was just one of those perfect storms

1616
01:03:44,559 --> 01:03:47,280
where, yes, we had to turn it off three

1617
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:50,160
days early. I think that was fine. I

1618
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:51,680
know it was an inconvenience, but that

1619
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:53,359
was something that happened once that I

1620
01:03:53,359 --> 01:03:54,720
know of.

1621
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:55,520
time that I've noticed.

1622
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:57,440
>> Mayor Chrissy raised her hand again,

1623
01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:58,000
just so you know.

1624
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:03,750
>> Oh, Chrissy, go ahead.

1625
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,640
» I I'm listening to Jessica and um I do

1626
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:08,160
going back to the funding because you

1627
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:11,200
guys know that's yeah an area I focus

1628
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:12,799
on.

1629
01:04:12,799 --> 01:04:17,280
Um these are two separate funds and so

1630
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:19,359
although

1631
01:04:19,359 --> 01:04:22,000
we're talking about water, everything

1632
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:27,039
stays in its own fund. So they're not competing for the same

1633
01:04:27,039 --> 01:04:31,039
dollars per se, except that if we have

1634
01:04:31,039 --> 01:04:34,480
to increase the rates for PI to meet

1635
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:37,520
these deficiencies and for growth that's

1636
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:40,880
expected or already been approved, that

1637
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:43,839
will impact a water bill because we

1638
01:04:43,839 --> 01:04:47,520
combine um PI water

1639
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:51,119
billing with our culinary billing on the

1640
01:04:51,119 --> 01:04:54,480
same bill. But from when you look at it

1641
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:57,760
from a financial p perspective like we

1642
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:01,119
can't fund culinary water projects with

1643
01:05:01,119 --> 01:05:03,599
PI water projects there's like you know

1644
01:05:03,599 --> 01:05:05,599
that line in the sand where they're they

1645
01:05:05,599 --> 01:05:08,319
operate independently they need to you

1646
01:05:08,319 --> 01:05:11,760
know be self-funding. So, I understand

1647
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,559
that it it does impact um the whole

1648
01:05:14,559 --> 01:05:18,160
system and everybody's residential, you

1649
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:19,760
know, pocketbook budgets are all

1650
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:22,079
affected, but just keep in mind we're

1651
01:05:22,079 --> 01:05:25,039
talking about we cannot mix the funds

1652
01:05:25,039 --> 01:05:27,280
because they're two separate enterprise

1653
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:30,400
funds. So, we are going to talk about

1654
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:33,760
culinary in another time, but it's hard

1655
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:37,039
for me to talk about one system

1656
01:05:37,039 --> 01:05:38,559
um

1657
01:05:38,559 --> 01:05:40,480
or it's hard for me to talk about both

1658
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:42,720
systems because they do need to be

1659
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:45,520
self-funded and running independently.

1660
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:48,559
So, um I just want to put that remind

1661
01:05:48,559 --> 01:05:50,160
ourselves that these are completely

1662
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:51,119
separate funds

1663
01:05:51,119 --> 01:05:53,920
>> and that we did not notice it as a

1664
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:55,520
culinary that we would be discussing

1665
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:57,839
culinary. This is just PI.

1666
01:05:57,839 --> 01:05:59,760
>> I just want to say I do I do see where

1667
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:02,240
Jessica's coming from just like as a

1668
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:05,280
resident if they find if they hear we're

1669
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:08,079
bonding for $9 million to help improve

1670
01:06:08,079 --> 01:06:09,520
our water.

1671
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:11,760
>> And then they find out, you know, my

1672
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:13,359
mind as a resident would be like, "Oh,

1673
01:06:13,359 --> 01:06:14,559
that's great." You know, we're going to

1674
01:06:14,559 --> 01:06:16,240
make sure we have enough water because

1675
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:18,880
culinary is life or death. PI is just

1676
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:22,480
for our grass. So I I think I see where

1677
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:24,079
Jessica's coming from in that just in

1678
01:06:24,079 --> 01:06:26,079
the fact that, you know, it would be

1679
01:06:26,079 --> 01:06:28,319
great to be able to say we're bonding 9

1680
01:06:28,319 --> 01:06:30,000
million and then understand also how

1681
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:33,039
this would affect our culinary water,

1682
01:06:33,039 --> 01:06:35,119
which it does has there's a byproduct

1683
01:06:35,119 --> 01:06:36,799
there. That's why I see where she's

1684
01:06:36,799 --> 01:06:38,240
>> talking about I understand where she's

1685
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:39,520
coming from also, but we're talking

1686
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:41,440
about two separate bonds. If we have to

1687
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:43,119
bond for the culinary, that's a separate

1688
01:06:43,119 --> 01:06:44,400
bond. You know that, right? because it's

1689
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:45,280
a different form of

1690
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:47,280
>> I understand that but I was presented

1691
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:50,000
the information that they were related

1692
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:51,839
to each other one of the reasons the

1693
01:06:51,839 --> 01:06:55,039
wise be why we needed to do these

1694
01:06:55,039 --> 01:06:57,920
expenses these capital expenses was

1695
01:06:57,920 --> 01:06:59,280
because it was going to improve our

1696
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:02,000
culinary so we can't say it's going to

1697
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:03,440
improve our culinary and we need to

1698
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:05,599
spend all this money and then say we

1699
01:07:05,599 --> 01:07:08,319
can't talk about culinary like don't

1700
01:07:08,319 --> 01:07:10,000
tell me that this is going to help us

1701
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:12,960
with culinary without allowing us to

1702
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:15,280
like fully explore improving our

1703
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:15,839
culinary.

1704
01:07:15,839 --> 01:07:17,359
>> I do feel like you're kind of mixing it

1705
01:07:17,359 --> 01:07:18,799
up a little bit. And as far as saying

1706
01:07:18,799 --> 01:07:20,079
that, you know, you're talking about our

1707
01:07:20,079 --> 01:07:22,160
drinking water. Our city has never been

1708
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:24,400
in a position where we have not had

1709
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:27,760
culinary water for drinking in or for

1710
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:30,400
use inside the homes ever that I am

1711
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:32,480
aware of. I've been here and granted

1712
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:35,920
I've only been here what 27 years. Um I

1713
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:37,839
don't you have you've been here about

1714
01:07:37,839 --> 01:07:39,119
that long?

1715
01:07:39,119 --> 01:07:40,160
>> I don't know.

1716
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:42,880
>> I've been 40. I Yeah. Have you do you

1717
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:44,720
are you aware of any situation where

1718
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:47,200
Alpine City has said because we don't

1719
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:49,839
have drinking water please don't bathe

1720
01:07:49,839 --> 01:07:53,039
don't don't flush your toilets I

1721
01:07:53,039 --> 01:07:55,599
understand for the future didn't we

1722
01:07:55,599 --> 01:07:58,720
>> that's a great thing and

1723
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:02,960
>> the deficiency is not in our culinary

1724
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:04,799
system for drinking so you're mixing it

1725
01:08:04,799 --> 01:08:09,520
up the deficiency might be um as Shane's

1726
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:12,640
already discussed and then also Also, if

1727
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:15,920
you know there are um breakdowns in the

1728
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:18,400
system or the timing of it, you've got a

1729
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:19,920
three-day weekend, you want to start up

1730
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:22,719
a pump, you have to get testing for it.

1731
01:08:22,719 --> 01:08:25,279
They're circumstantial, but as far as us

1732
01:08:25,279 --> 01:08:27,440
not having the water and not having the

1733
01:08:27,440 --> 01:08:28,960
delivery system.

1734
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:29,759
>> Well, Jessica,

1735
01:08:29,759 --> 01:08:32,880
>> that's not at a level where um

1736
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:34,480
>> can I ask Jessica a question?

1737
01:08:34,480 --> 01:08:37,679
>> Yes. Jessica, if you find anything that

1738
01:08:37,679 --> 01:08:39,199
you are concerned about and you think

1739
01:08:39,199 --> 01:08:40,880
should be a higher priority on the

1740
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:42,880
culinary side than anything we're

1741
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:45,040
discussing, would you let us know? Would

1742
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:46,159
you tell us?

1743
01:08:46,159 --> 01:08:48,719
>> I think this thing is more important for

1744
01:08:48,719 --> 01:08:51,679
culinary than this thing for PR and we I

1745
01:08:51,679 --> 01:08:52,719
would I would gladly support.

1746
01:08:52,719 --> 01:08:54,080
>> Well, and we didn't get to hear the

1747
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:58,000
feedback. you guys went to a water

1748
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:00,159
meeting and I don't know if it only

1749
01:09:00,159 --> 01:09:02,719
talked about pressurized irrigation or

1750
01:09:02,719 --> 01:09:04,880
if there was also a topic because we're

1751
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:07,120
getting new information all the time.

1752
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:09,600
We're about to have you know it was

1753
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:11,679
about CUP water.

1754
01:09:11,679 --> 01:09:13,520
>> Yeah, we talked about both

1755
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:14,000
>> but yeah.

1756
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:16,400
>> And what's the projections on culinary?

1757
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:18,640
>> Do we need to be have redundancies? Is

1758
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:21,600
that best practices? Yeah, like our our

1759
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:23,359
main overall goal was just to become

1760
01:09:23,359 --> 01:09:26,640
self-sufficient as a city and so if

1761
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:28,159
which I think we can do with all

1762
01:09:28,159 --> 01:09:30,239
>> Yes. And with like cup water and new

1763
01:09:30,239 --> 01:09:32,000
development going south of Utah Lake,

1764
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:32,960
that's where they're going to see the

1765
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:35,920
majority of growth. It's kind of

1766
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:38,000
expected or anticipated that we won't

1767
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:40,159
get the same aotment of CUP water as we

1768
01:09:40,159 --> 01:09:42,960
are currently receiving. So that's for

1769
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:45,359
PI obviously, but also just like making

1770
01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:46,880
sure that we're self-sufficient in case

1771
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:49,120
of emergency for culinary water was also

1772
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:52,880
a discussion. So So we're in a very

1773
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:55,040
fortunate situation that we do have

1774
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:57,280
these great culinary water sources and

1775
01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:59,440
we have the infrastructure for that in

1776
01:09:59,440 --> 01:10:02,239
place for the redundancy. Do we have

1777
01:10:02,239 --> 01:10:05,040
deficiencies? Yes, obviously we do. That

1778
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:06,560
is something that we are chipping away

1779
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:09,920
at. I think um you know we're already

1780
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:11,600
working towards one of the upsides on

1781
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:14,719
the culinary water um tank. I mean it's

1782
01:10:14,719 --> 01:10:16,000
not something that we're completely

1783
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:20,320
ignoring but I think um right now we're

1784
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:24,320
coming to um council with the PI system.

1785
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:26,719
Um we wanted to move forward with these

1786
01:10:26,719 --> 01:10:28,960
projects. Jessica wanted a work session

1787
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:31,280
which I think is apppropo. This is

1788
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:33,840
information that has been out there for

1789
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:35,600
five years. I feel like the only thing

1790
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:38,400
that's really changed recently is they

1791
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:40,880
did suggest the two projects put them up

1792
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:44,159
higher and then um obviously the new

1793
01:10:44,159 --> 01:10:47,679
costs um since their original report um

1794
01:10:47,679 --> 01:10:49,840
and then you know couple it's very minor

1795
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:52,320
changes. What I'd like to know is do you

1796
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:56,000
guys have any questions regarding our PI

1797
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,400
system and specifically

1798
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:01,040
any questions or concerns regarding the

1799
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:03,600
Heritage Well and the 400 West booster

1800
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:06,480
pump and um piping up size.

1801
01:11:06,480 --> 01:11:08,719
>> Can I just ask one question about like

1802
01:11:08,719 --> 01:11:10,719
funding? I know you guys are exploring

1803
01:11:10,719 --> 01:11:12,960
potentially a grant for the low zone

1804
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:16,080
take expansion. So if we bond for the 9

1805
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:18,000
million for the two, is there the

1806
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,239
potential to also find other funding

1807
01:11:20,239 --> 01:11:22,560
sources for the others?

1808
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:24,719
>> We're always that's, you know, that's

1809
01:11:24,719 --> 01:11:26,640
Shane does a great job of that. I

1810
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:28,480
actually think he found something else

1811
01:11:28,480 --> 01:11:31,600
that he has not had the time to um

1812
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:34,960
pursue because he spent copious hours

1813
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:36,960
redoing our budget to submit to the

1814
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:39,520
state and then preparing for these work

1815
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:43,360
sessions. Um but yes I we are always

1816
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:45,199
looking for funding that's

1817
01:11:45,199 --> 01:11:48,159
>> so that might be helpful just you know

1818
01:11:48,159 --> 01:11:50,400
in going with just the two versus all

1819
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:53,120
five not only from an interest you know

1820
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:55,840
paying more interest but also just maybe

1821
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:57,360
that would buy us some time to find

1822
01:11:57,360 --> 01:11:59,760
other funding options. Yeah, I say we go

1823
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:02,560
for the two that's been suggested by the

1824
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:04,560
specialists move forward, but I mean

1825
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:06,080
that's something that ultimately um

1826
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:08,640
council will have to vote on. Um but

1827
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:10,880
yeah, the suggestion I believe is to go

1828
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:14,080
with what the study shows is to go with

1829
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:15,920
the heritage hills well and the booster

1830
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:18,400
pumpson um upsizing. Andrew, you said

1831
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:19,440
you had questions or

1832
01:12:19,440 --> 01:12:22,239
>> Yeah. Yeah. Uh but before I do, I was

1833
01:12:22,239 --> 01:12:23,760
under the understanding you were going

1834
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:25,920
to finish your PowerPoint and then we're

1835
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:27,520
going to go one by one. Am I wrong? Can

1836
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:32,480
we do that? We can we can do that and I have in all these slides that I sent

1837
01:12:32,480 --> 01:12:32,960
out.

1838
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:35,120
>> Do you want to go through the last

1839
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:36,320
question? So we can

1840
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:38,320
>> that's what I was kind of hoping to get

1841
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:38,960
to.

1842
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:42,560
>> I don't for completing myself at two for

1843
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:44,320
another meeting. I guess I could

1844
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:45,760
>> Can you do it in like 10 minutes? I'll

1845
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:47,120
do my questions in like 10 minutes.

1846
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:48,640
>> Yeah. I mean the next couple of slides

1847
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:51,120
were uh the same as the first the just a

1848
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:54,719
summary of the um existing deficiencies

1849
01:12:54,719 --> 01:12:58,239
and the growth projects for culinary. Um

1850
01:12:58,239 --> 01:12:58,960
>> good those are in there.

1851
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:02,320
>> And just a note on this one of the big

1852
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:05,040
factors with the deficiencies in the

1853
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:10,239
culinary system um is the size of homes.

1854
01:13:10,239 --> 01:13:13,040
uh the the the

1855
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:14,960
biggest part of the storage requirement

1856
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:18,159
or tank size requirement is based on

1857
01:13:18,159 --> 01:13:22,159
fire flows and so with huge homes uh

1858
01:13:22,159 --> 01:13:25,120
brings huge requirements for storage in

1859
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:28,400
tanks. Um just wanted to point that out.

1860
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:31,760
But um uh one thing we skipped the last

1861
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:34,960
slide on the PI section Kaden uh other

1862
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:35,600
projects

1863
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:38,239
>> size can the impact fees be assessed

1864
01:13:38,239 --> 01:13:39,120
based on those

1865
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:43,270
>> stop with all the additions.

1866
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:45,199
» It's costing us so much more for storage

1867
01:13:45,199 --> 01:13:47,120
capacity because they're so big.

1868
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:49,360
>> We should be able to justify that in a

1869
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:51,840
>> in an impact fee study to charge greater

1870
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:53,280
impact fees for those lots.

1871
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:56,239
>> Yeah. And one issue with impact fees,

1872
01:13:56,239 --> 01:13:58,960
the legislature keeps tightening the

1873
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:00,960
screws on impact fees and what you can

1874
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:04,080
do. So, it's because there's a lot of

1875
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:06,960
home builders in the legislature.

1876
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:09,520
Um, but it's something to look at. Uh, I

1877
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:12,400
just wanted to point this out that

1878
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:15,120
uh we have a couple things going on

1879
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:17,920
right now. I mentioned the Page Project.

1880
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:19,440
um you know, we're going to have to

1881
01:14:19,440 --> 01:14:22,880
participate in putting that um pipe

1882
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:24,880
through there. So, that will be an

1883
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:27,199
expense. We're working on getting those

1884
01:14:27,199 --> 01:14:28,320
costs.

1885
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:30,800
>> That will be quite a lot, right?

1886
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:33,360
>> Uh way cheaper than what Canyon Crest

1887
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:36,400
was because there's no utilities in the

1888
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:37,040
way.

1889
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:37,520
>> Okay.

1890
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:39,679
>> With it, it'll all be new construction

1891
01:14:39,679 --> 01:14:42,719
and we're not digging up asphalt and

1892
01:14:42,719 --> 01:14:44,560
having to replace that. That's a huge

1893
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:47,360
expense. a lot of a lot of there's a lot

1894
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:49,199
of savings by doing it this way,

1895
01:14:49,199 --> 01:14:51,040
>> right? No, I I know it'll be cheaper. I

1896
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:52,880
just meant that's a big project like

1897
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:54,400
that's not a small thing.

1898
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:57,679
>> And then another one um there's a

1899
01:14:57,679 --> 01:15:02,239
potential project by the Healey Well um

1900
01:15:02,239 --> 01:15:05,360
that we'd like to get an easement um to

1901
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:07,840
put the pipe from the Healey Well to

1902
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:10,880
Healey Boulevard.

1903
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:14,080
Um not sure on the timing of that yet.

1904
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:15,920
There's still things being worked on and

1905
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:18,320
details. So, I just want to throw out

1906
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:20,560
that there's a couple other things.

1907
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:22,400
Again,

1908
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:24,239
projects that might be in the buildout

1909
01:15:24,239 --> 01:15:26,560
are thinking they could be 20 years, but

1910
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:28,960
they could be next year. Um, so we have

1911
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:34,800
to consider that. Um, skip down Kaden to

1912
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:37,600
the the next slide down.

1913
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:40,159
So, I put responses to all of the

1914
01:15:40,159 --> 01:15:42,320
questions that I received. I don't know

1915
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:44,239
if you want to go through those. It

1916
01:15:44,239 --> 01:15:45,920
might or if you want to read those on

1917
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:46,800
your own.

1918
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:48,719
>> Well, can you just give a rundown of

1919
01:15:48,719 --> 01:15:50,560
them really quick if uh

1920
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:51,520
>> not read them?

1921
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:53,600
>> Uh, no. I apologize. I did not read

1922
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:54,719
them.

1923
01:15:54,719 --> 01:15:55,199
>> So,

1924
01:15:55,199 --> 01:15:56,960
>> read them. Do you like them?

1925
01:15:56,960 --> 01:15:59,520
>> Who is Black? [laughter]

1926
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:00,239
>> Oh, sorry.

1927
01:16:00,239 --> 01:16:01,600
>> Black Welder.

1928
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:03,679
>> Sorry, Sarah. I apologize.

1929
01:16:03,679 --> 01:16:05,440
>> Okay, we I can read through them if you

1930
01:16:05,440 --> 01:16:08,080
don't. I know a black welder in town

1931
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:11,679
>> and I that's I was really wanting to get

1932
01:16:11,679 --> 01:16:14,239
this out yesterday and I apologize.

1933
01:16:14,239 --> 01:16:16,159
>> I'm not offended. It's totally fine.

1934
01:16:16,159 --> 01:16:18,000
>> It's a cool last name. Black welder.

1935
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:18,800
Sounds awesome.

1936
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:21,440
>> Change that please.

1937
01:16:21,440 --> 01:16:22,480
>> Okay. If you if you don't want to go

1938
01:16:22,480 --> 01:16:22,960
through them,

1939
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:25,120
>> I do know your name, but I I totally

1940
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:26,719
made a mistake.

1941
01:16:26,719 --> 01:16:28,640
But I do know

1942
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:31,040
>> um

1943
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:33,840
I mean

1944
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:36,400
>> we Yeah, I think that'll be the best

1945
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:38,400
because we could spend two hours.

1946
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:39,440
>> I just thought you wanted to go through

1947
01:16:39,440 --> 01:16:40,560
stuff. Want to make sure you had gone

1948
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:41,280
through it all.

1949
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:42,800
>> They're they're going to go they're

1950
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:43,920
going to lead to a lot of other

1951
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:45,600
questions I think from people. That's

1952
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:47,040
fine. That's fine because I took

1953
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:48,719
questions from each council member and

1954
01:16:48,719 --> 01:16:50,719
just try to address those. But I think

1955
01:16:50,719 --> 01:16:53,520
if you read them and then contact me if

1956
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:54,640
you have follow-ups.

1957
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:56,159
>> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Good way to go.

1958
01:16:56,159 --> 01:16:57,520
>> I'm reading them right now. There's Did

1959
01:16:57,520 --> 01:17:00,480
they were saying they wanted to speak? I don't know. Do they have a time to

1960
01:17:00,480 --> 01:17:00,800
speak?

1961
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:03,920
>> Uh Kaden.

1962
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:08,560
>> Um so the uh water committee provided

1963
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:13,360
some recommendations um to us and I

1964
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:15,040
don't you want to

1965
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:16,480
>> Yeah. If the mayor's okay.

1966
01:17:16,480 --> 01:17:22,709
>> The mayor's okay with it.

1967
01:17:22,719 --> 01:17:25,600
» Sounds like it's on. Good. So, I've

1968
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:27,520
participated greatly in the last year

1969
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:30,159
and been totally impressed during that

1970
01:17:30,159 --> 01:17:32,719
12-month period with the thoroughess of

1971
01:17:32,719 --> 01:17:35,138
the council and the staff.

1972
01:17:35,138 --> 01:17:36,640
[clears throat] We learn all the time.

1973
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:39,120
And since March, April as it is, we've

1974
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:41,199
had a a citizens advisory water

1975
01:17:41,199 --> 01:17:44,480
committee. We've got Clyde uh Stopper

1976
01:17:44,480 --> 01:17:48,480
here and Svin uh Love also with us. On

1977
01:17:48,480 --> 01:17:50,719
there is Sarah is our council woman.

1978
01:17:50,719 --> 01:17:53,280
Well, now it's Sarah Black Welder. It's

1979
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:55,120
our

1980
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:59,360
Okay. I appreciate the focus today on um

1981
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:06,400
PI. It's and I I guess as I listen as a citizen, I'm impressed that we're

1982
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:09,120
thinking about things that will need to

1983
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:12,400
be addressed year by year by year by

1984
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:15,520
year. Even if we had infinite funding, I

1985
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:17,840
don't think we could fix everything

1986
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:20,640
realistically, even in a short period of

1987
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:23,120
time so as to face the citizens and say,

1988
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:25,440
you know, don't worry ever and your

1989
01:18:25,440 --> 01:18:27,520
grandchildren shouldn't worry ever

1990
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:31,520
because we fixed it. I mean, what the committee when we went through this

1991
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:34,080
and we went through this thoroughly and

1992
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:38,800
then uh of course uh councilwoman uh

1993
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:41,840
Sarah I'm the one set out the

1994
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:44,320
recommendations and really it came down

1995
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:46,239
to and one of our council members said

1996
01:18:46,239 --> 01:18:48,320
will said I don't know why we're

1997
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:50,080
discussing this so much we're not the

1998
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:52,400
experts and we had Sullivan in the room

1999
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:55,440
and we had Clyde and we had Will and

2000
01:18:55,440 --> 01:18:57,280
Brian and I are not experts but we're

2001
01:18:57,280 --> 01:18:58,320
not dumb.

2002
01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:03,600
And it came down to we trust the staff,

2003
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:06,080
especially considering we have Shane and

2004
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:08,159
Greg and others who have been here for

2005
01:19:08,159 --> 01:19:11,120
so long and intimately understand the

2006
01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:13,840
system. We trust Horox who've been

2007
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:16,800
surveying us forever and ever. And

2008
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:20,080
again, to get to a start of something,

2009
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:23,600
phase one was really a no-brainer. Okay.

2010
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:26,000
And I'm I want a little concerned if we

2011
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:29,520
are going to try to shave something off.

2012
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:31,840
What I'm learning to understand is and

2013
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:35,440
it's it's kind of like u a home equity

2014
01:19:35,440 --> 01:19:38,239
loan. If you know the basement, if I

2015
01:19:38,239 --> 01:19:40,480
can't use sweat equity, then I will need

2016
01:19:40,480 --> 01:19:43,520
to make that as part of my uh home

2017
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:46,560
equity loan. If I can do a deck, if I

2018
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:48,640
have six projects, my wife and I agreed

2019
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:52,080
to, you know, if I can do from savings

2020
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:56,560
or from self uh u sweat equity, then I

2021
01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:58,640
don't need to take out home equity, but

2022
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:00,480
I'm a little concerned that with be even

2023
01:20:00,480 --> 01:20:03,440
with best intentions, I know we'll move

2024
01:20:03,440 --> 01:20:06,159
chunk by chunk, but those phase one are

2025
01:20:06,159 --> 01:20:08,320
important. I think it's important that

2026
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:10,719
we put a stake in the ground and say

2027
01:20:10,719 --> 01:20:14,560
yes, we will fund them and have a plan

2028
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:18,239
and maybe plan A is bond for three of

2029
01:20:18,239 --> 01:20:21,360
them, plan B is for another one. We can

2030
01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:24,400
literally see in the future enough funds

2031
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:27,199
left over that we can do it. I think the

2032
01:20:27,199 --> 01:20:29,199
disservice will be to go to all this

2033
01:20:29,199 --> 01:20:32,239
expense at the last five plus years and

2034
01:20:32,239 --> 01:20:34,880
all the professional input and then have

2035
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:38,400
something fall off. So, we we encourage

2036
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:41,520
you to continue to ask hard questions.

2037
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:44,080
We all learn together. We encourage you

2038
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:47,760
to consider phase one in its entirety to

2039
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:50,719
make sure that when we say we're funded,

2040
01:20:50,719 --> 01:20:53,280
that means we have a schedule of when

2041
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:55,280
monies will be available either through

2042
01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:59,920
bond or sweat equity or if def you know

2043
01:20:59,920 --> 01:21:02,480
um enterprise funds to do those

2044
01:21:02,480 --> 01:21:05,280
projects. Okay. Steve, can I ask a

2045
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:07,040
couple questions to him from his board

2046
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:09,040
just so I have some clarification?

2047
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:11,199
>> What I'm reading here is so the the the

2048
01:21:11,199 --> 01:21:15,199
water committee is recommending

2049
01:21:15,199 --> 01:21:18,719
>> apologies. Thank you, Deian. Uh uh she

2050
01:21:18,719 --> 01:21:21,360
does such a good job. Uh you water

2051
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:23,120
committee, the citizens water committee

2052
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:26,880
wants all of phase one, all five things.

2053
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:28,159
Is that correct? Will you give it to us

2054
01:21:28,159 --> 01:21:29,360
specifically? What do you guys

2055
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:30,560
recommend?

2056
01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:33,520
>> We we recommended all five of those. So

2057
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:36,480
you're recommending right now bond for

2058
01:21:36,480 --> 01:21:40,159
>> No, we're recommending that there be a a

2059
01:21:40,159 --> 01:21:42,480
schedule of funding through whatever

2060
01:21:42,480 --> 01:21:43,199
sources.

2061
01:21:43,199 --> 01:21:44,000
>> Okay.

2062
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:45,520
>> But you want the first five done.

2063
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:46,960
>> First five done. And you know,

2064
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:49,920
>> I totally agree that the Heritage Hills

2065
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:52,560
well and the 400 West booster and piping

2066
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:55,600
up size are absolutely essential to do

2067
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:58,719
ASAP. Get them shovel ready. And if that

2068
01:21:58,719 --> 01:22:01,679
means, you know, solidify the bond and

2069
01:22:01,679 --> 01:22:03,440
then we need to, as someone has said,

2070
01:22:03,440 --> 01:22:06,480
increase bond over time, uh, after we've

2071
01:22:06,480 --> 01:22:08,320
made changes in rates,

2072
01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:10,560
>> you're okay with whatever funding

2073
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:12,000
mechanism possible. You just want them

2074
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:14,159
done, or are you sold on the bond? You

2075
01:22:14,159 --> 01:22:15,360
really want to go do it with

2076
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:18,320
>> debt? We're not experts in in funding.

2077
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:20,400
We we're learning, too, and we know

2078
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:22,560
there's different options. It really

2079
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:24,560
comes down to at the end of the year, do

2080
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:26,000
you have extra money that you can put

2081
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:28,719
the deck in next year? Okay. If not, you

2082
01:22:28,719 --> 01:22:30,480
have the council and we're going to

2083
01:22:30,480 --> 01:22:31,840
expand it to a swimming pool and

2084
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:33,840
therefore we need home equity. So, it's

2085
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:35,040
the same sort of thing.

2086
01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:35,760
>> I understand

2087
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:38,320
>> where we we leave the again, we're

2088
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:39,760
leaving that sort of thing up to the

2089
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:41,760
experts. The experts have spoken

2090
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:44,239
regarding what needs to be done and the

2091
01:22:44,239 --> 01:22:46,960
water committee has focused specifically

2092
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:50,080
on PI. We haven't gone into the culinary

2093
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:52,800
at all. We know there are byproducts

2094
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:55,120
that will benefit culinary with these

2095
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:57,280
six projects, but that wasn't our focus.

2096
01:22:57,280 --> 01:22:57,600
>> Understand?

2097
01:22:57,600 --> 01:22:59,840
>> And that can become a focus. As the

2098
01:22:59,840 --> 01:23:01,360
mayor said, as we plan for other

2099
01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:04,080
workshops, we'd be glad to become more

2100
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:05,760
involved in trying to understand and

2101
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:06,800
make recommendations.

2102
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:10,880
>> Last question. Do you guys feel um

2103
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:14,000
uh I just lost my train of thought. Um,

2104
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:17,120
are you okay with uh

2105
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:19,120
other options besides these if they do

2106
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:21,600
the if they get the fix

2107
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:24,239
or and are you also so two questions

2108
01:23:24,239 --> 01:23:25,679
these are the last are are you okay with

2109
01:23:25,679 --> 01:23:28,239
other options to be explored that would

2110
01:23:28,239 --> 01:23:30,560
basically get us the same result

2111
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:33,120
>> and then the other question is are you

2112
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:35,679
we want you to focus on the six

2113
01:23:35,679 --> 01:23:38,400
>> okay the experts have spoken for five

2114
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:41,760
plus years I don't know I don't need I

2115
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:44,239
don't know if there's an alternate to

2116
01:23:44,239 --> 01:23:46,480
any of those five.

2117
01:23:46,480 --> 01:23:48,000
>> I'll bring up something that I hope for,

2118
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:48,719
but

2119
01:23:48,719 --> 01:23:50,400
>> the other question is we say experts

2120
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:53,199
have spoken. I think it's more expert.

2121
01:23:53,199 --> 01:23:55,040
>> That's nothing against Horox.

2122
01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:57,360
>> Uh it's correct me if I'm wrong. This is

2123
01:23:57,360 --> 01:23:59,920
like would you be okay with us getting a

2124
01:23:59,920 --> 01:24:02,000
couple options of experts to give us uh

2125
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:03,040
recommendations.

2126
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:05,840
>> So my understanding is Jeff Davis who's

2127
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:07,440
also on the water committee when I spoke

2128
01:24:07,440 --> 01:24:09,600
to her when I spoke to him he works for

2129
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:11,120
a totally different firm.

2130
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:13,600
>> That's helpful. and he is saying yes he

2131
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:14,719
agrees with this list

2132
01:24:14,719 --> 01:24:17,600
>> expert that's right okay that's um I I

2133
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:19,120
meant like so the the core of the

2134
01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:21,199
question mayor is

2135
01:24:21,199 --> 01:24:23,040
>> like there was somebody else too that

2136
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:26,080
came to that open house he is a

2137
01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:30,560
colleague of Jeff Davis also um and I

2138
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:32,080
was speaking to him and I said hey have

2139
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:33,760
you seen our water study I'd really like

2140
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:36,000
to see your opinion on it and he's like

2141
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:38,080
I haven't studied it in depth but I read

2142
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:40,960
it over but yeah he said I I concur

2143
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:42,719
>> that's helpful And so that's three

2144
01:24:42,719 --> 01:24:43,920
different people, but I don't know who

2145
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:48,080
this Do you remember who that guy was? I have his application and I know he

2146
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:49,120
wanted to be in the water committee, but

2147
01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:49,840
he never

2148
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:51,199
>> last name Clark.

2149
01:24:51,199 --> 01:24:53,199
>> It's uh mayor where this is coming from

2150
01:24:53,199 --> 01:24:54,560
is it's more like

2151
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:55,360
>> fame clerk.

2152
01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:56,880
>> Yeah, it's more like uh

2153
01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:57,920
>> Clark works for bone.

2154
01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:00,239
>> Sometimes sometimes on whatever level

2155
01:25:00,239 --> 01:25:02,159
government when they have one contract,

2156
01:25:02,159 --> 01:25:04,400
let's just use war like when Rathon or

2157
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:07,440
something or um they'll just get the

2158
01:25:07,440 --> 01:25:08,960
prices really high because there's not

2159
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:11,040
really a lot of other options. So I just

2160
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:13,199
wonder if we had Horox 2.0 know if that

2161
01:25:13,199 --> 01:25:15,840
would be helpful to maybe get a second

2162
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:18,320
and I guess if we were juxtaposed if the

2163
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:20,080
staff with the experience they have and

2164
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:23,280
the recommendation they had is juosed to

2165
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:26,080
Horox I'd say we need yet another

2166
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:28,560
opinion but they haven't been this the

2167
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:30,880
experts continually with expertise I

2168
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:32,639
don't have come up with the same

2169
01:25:32,639 --> 01:25:34,800
recommendations and any delay

2170
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:36,159
>> I know sometimes they come up with

2171
01:25:36,159 --> 01:25:36,880
different numbers

2172
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:40,159
>> increases the total has increased twice

2173
01:25:40,159 --> 01:25:42,480
>> I guess the way that look at it So,

2174
01:25:42,480 --> 01:25:44,159
Andrew, you're you're worried about the

2175
01:25:44,159 --> 01:25:46,080
total. Let's say we do a $9 million

2176
01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:48,080
bond. Let's say the numbers come in

2177
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:50,960
less. If it is, then great. It'll free

2178
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:53,920
us up to be able to do the maybe enough

2179
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:56,480
to do the Healey booster upsize also,

2180
01:25:56,480 --> 01:25:56,960
>> right?

2181
01:25:56,960 --> 01:26:00,320
>> To me, um, you know, if the numbers come

2182
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:02,639
lower, I don't see a negative in that.

2183
01:26:02,639 --> 01:26:04,480
My concern is if the numbers come up

2184
01:26:04,480 --> 01:26:05,840
higher than this that we're going to

2185
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:08,320
have to come up with the difference.

2186
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:10,080
>> Okay. It was basically the question was

2187
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:11,840
if you'd be open to get secondary

2188
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:12,800
companies looking at

2189
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:13,679
>> I think the secondary

2190
01:26:13,679 --> 01:26:14,800
>> sounds like you like ORox

2191
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:16,719
>> secondary input. I don't think there's a

2192
01:26:16,719 --> 01:26:18,560
question that this needs to be done. I

2193
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:22,159
think the next question is uh RFPs to

2194
01:26:22,159 --> 01:26:24,239
determine who's going to come in with

2195
01:26:24,239 --> 01:26:26,480
the best solution at the best price.

2196
01:26:26,480 --> 01:26:28,000
That's where the competition comes.

2197
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:31,040
>> Okay. Okay. Thank you for

2198
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:33,440
>> Yes. Go ahead. Do we have any idea of h

2199
01:26:33,440 --> 01:26:35,600
one how soon these could be started and

2200
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:37,920
two can any of them be done in tandem or

2201
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:40,639
do we can you do you only have to do can

2202
01:26:40,639 --> 01:26:44,560
allowed to do one at a time

2203
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:46,560
>> it all depends on like when they're

2204
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:49,040
available like you know I think

2205
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:50,639
Stephen's been talking with Shane quite

2206
01:26:50,639 --> 01:26:52,560
a bit so yeah we start off with getting

2207
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:56,159
an RFP first about the design work so we

2208
01:26:56,159 --> 01:26:58,000
have to get the design work done first

2209
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:00,320
and then once the design work goes out

2210
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:04,480
then you do another um you go out for

2211
01:27:04,480 --> 01:27:07,199
bid on the project itself and then we

2212
01:27:07,199 --> 01:27:08,719
choose that and then we can get started.

2213
01:27:08,719 --> 01:27:10,480
So it's it's a long process and that's

2214
01:27:10,480 --> 01:27:12,480
why I want to get started now.

2215
01:27:12,480 --> 01:27:15,679
>> I agree. I agree. So if we let's say we

2216
01:27:15,679 --> 01:27:17,679
bond for nine and start with the two can

2217
01:27:17,679 --> 01:27:21,440
we like I don't know schedule out or

2218
01:27:21,440 --> 01:27:24,800
like put how can we plan to do the rest

2219
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:26,719
or do we have to come back revisit make

2220
01:27:26,719 --> 01:27:28,080
a decision and move forward with the

2221
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:28,639
other

2222
01:27:28,639 --> 01:27:29,040
>> I think

2223
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:30,159
>> three in phase one

2224
01:27:30,159 --> 01:27:32,320
>> right now I say we get started on these

2225
01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:35,920
two um on in bigger cities with larger

2226
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:38,159
staff because we our staff does have to

2227
01:27:38,159 --> 01:27:40,800
even though we contract out staff does

2228
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:44,080
still have to be heavily involved in

2229
01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:46,080
Um, and I think let's get started and

2230
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:48,159
see what we can take and then, you know,

2231
01:27:48,159 --> 01:27:51,199
move forward. I think my understanding

2232
01:27:51,199 --> 01:27:54,480
is that um I think council realizes that

2233
01:27:54,480 --> 01:27:56,800
we need to move forward.

2234
01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:58,159
At least I'm hoping that's the

2235
01:27:58,159 --> 01:28:00,400
realization. But

2236
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:01,760
>> but that

2237
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:03,760
>> I I'll go last uh because I want to say

2238
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:04,639
some things. Go ahead.

2239
01:28:04,639 --> 01:28:05,679
>> We're going to be running out of time

2240
01:28:05,679 --> 01:28:11,750
soon. But that um you know when we go

2241
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:13,760
» that we start with these see how the

2242
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:15,600
workload is like right you know just

2243
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:19,520
even watching um on a very superficial

2244
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:22,159
level with the fire station. Shane has

2245
01:28:22,159 --> 01:28:24,080
spent many many hours with the

2246
01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:26,159
contractors even though we have people

2247
01:28:26,159 --> 01:28:27,840
helping and whatnot he still has to be

2248
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:30,560
heavily involved. Um these two I think

2249
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:33,520
Jason and Shane will be involved. Um, I

2250
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:34,880
think we'll have to kind of look at that

2251
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:36,400
along with all their other duties and

2252
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:39,199
see what else we can take on. Um, but I

2253
01:28:39,199 --> 01:28:40,880
think we'll try to do as much as we can

2254
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:42,639
with the monies that we have.

2255
01:28:42,639 --> 01:28:44,639
>> Do any of them require any sort of land

2256
01:28:44,639 --> 01:28:47,600
acquisition or anything to prep for?

2257
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:49,520
>> No. The Heritage Hill Well, we already

2258
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:53,520
own the property and then the um No, we

2259
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:56,320
have the rightway. We have the well on

2260
01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:59,520
400 West and then the piping. We have

2261
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:00,719
the rightway. Right.

2262
01:29:00,719 --> 01:29:02,480
>> Yeah. the Heritage Hills. Well, we saw

2263
01:29:02,480 --> 01:29:04,639
an opportunity to gain the property we

2264
01:29:04,639 --> 01:29:06,719
needed several years ago, like five or

2265
01:29:06,719 --> 01:29:09,280
six years ago, and so we brought that to

2266
01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:11,760
council and actually got that done.

2267
01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:14,400
>> And same like with this uh potential

2268
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:17,360
project by the Healey Well and the Page

2269
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:20,320
Project, as soon as the pages came in, I

2270
01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:23,440
said, "Hey, we have a pipeline. I'd

2271
01:29:23,440 --> 01:29:24,639
really like it to go through your

2272
01:29:24,639 --> 01:29:28,000
property." And so we've taken those

2273
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:30,400
opportunities every time they've came

2274
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:32,239
up.

2275
01:29:32,239 --> 01:29:32,960
>> And [clears throat] that is one thing

2276
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:34,719
that I do really appreciate, Shane, that

2277
01:29:34,719 --> 01:29:37,600
with your expertise in public works and

2278
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:39,840
engineering that you look for those

2279
01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:41,440
opportunities. And I don't think that's

2280
01:29:41,440 --> 01:29:43,040
really something that you see in your

2281
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:45,840
run-of-the-mill city administrators that

2282
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:48,239
um I appreciate that you have that eye

2283
01:29:48,239 --> 01:29:51,360
for engineering to be able to save money

2284
01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:52,800
where you can and then to be able to

2285
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:55,199
capitalize on it. and also that you're

2286
01:29:55,199 --> 01:29:56,880
fiscally conservative enough that we

2287
01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:59,040
have those funds so that we can act on

2288
01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:00,960
it when those opportunities arise

2289
01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:02,480
because we never know. We can't force

2290
01:30:02,480 --> 01:30:04,239
people to do it necessarily without it

2291
01:30:04,239 --> 01:30:06,560
costing us a lot. And so if we want to

2292
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:09,760
take advantage of a cost-saving um

2293
01:30:09,760 --> 01:30:12,000
event, we have to have those funds there

2294
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:13,440
to be able to act on it.

2295
01:30:13,440 --> 01:30:15,760
>> I have a question about just the pro the

2296
01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:18,000
order and the process. If if the

2297
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:19,360
recommendation and it's all

2298
01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:21,760
timesensitive and it's going to cost

2299
01:30:21,760 --> 01:30:25,280
more if we don't move forward, why would

2300
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:28,960
we hold off on doing it other than it's

2301
01:30:28,960 --> 01:30:31,360
just um staffing issue? Because there

2302
01:30:31,360 --> 01:30:33,920
are positions called owner's reps that

2303
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:36,639
can come in move projects forward that

2304
01:30:36,639 --> 01:30:37,920
would there's probably some of these

2305
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:39,360
that Shane doesn't have to touch

2306
01:30:39,360 --> 01:30:41,679
intensively that an owner's rep could

2307
01:30:41,679 --> 01:30:46,560
manage and balancing the cost.

2308
01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:48,239
um right you know to get that going

2309
01:30:48,239 --> 01:30:52,310
might outweigh

2310
01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:54,080
» but I mean you look at the two that's

2311
01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:55,920
the bulk of it and you've got the low

2312
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:58,159
zone tank expansion we're going for a

2313
01:30:58,159 --> 01:30:59,600
grant in that and we feel really good

2314
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:01,520
about getting that grant the other two

2315
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:04,400
projects are fairly I like I said I

2316
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:06,239
think we're going to see where the cost

2317
01:31:06,239 --> 01:31:08,000
comes in

2318
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:09,600
>> um and go that and also

2319
01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:12,400
>> why approving one and three like why

2320
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:16,400
would we only say two and four. Why

2321
01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:20,159
wouldn't we say 1 2 3 4 5? I I'm

2322
01:31:20,159 --> 01:31:20,800
>> I have an answer.

2323
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:22,719
>> I'm confused about the inconsistency in

2324
01:31:22,719 --> 01:31:23,199
the reason.

2325
01:31:23,199 --> 01:31:24,159
>> Let's ask Shane.

2326
01:31:24,159 --> 01:31:26,639
>> I I think it comes down to how tolerant

2327
01:31:26,639 --> 01:31:29,120
your citizens are going to be that

2328
01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:30,639
raised rates.

2329
01:31:30,639 --> 01:31:33,440
>> If you feel like you can double rates,

2330
01:31:33,440 --> 01:31:35,440
let's go for all five of them.

2331
01:31:35,440 --> 01:31:36,400
>> Well, they're not they're going to be

2332
01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:36,960
less.

2333
01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:38,159
>> I think that's where it comes down.

2334
01:31:38,159 --> 01:31:39,840
>> Yeah. If we come back in two years and

2335
01:31:39,840 --> 01:31:41,760
then triple them

2336
01:31:41,760 --> 01:31:44,159
>> because costs are going up. So, if we're

2337
01:31:44,159 --> 01:31:45,600
going to if we're going to make

2338
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:49,280
decisions based on costs increasing,

2339
01:31:49,280 --> 01:31:51,280
it doesn't make sense to me to delay

2340
01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:53,600
anything.

2341
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:55,280
>> Yeah. And that's that's a council

2342
01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:57,199
decision. That's something you're going

2343
01:31:57,199 --> 01:32:00,159
to have to weigh and and Steve, you

2344
01:32:00,159 --> 01:32:03,120
okay, we show that table. Steve put this

2345
01:32:03,120 --> 01:32:05,600
table together, which I think was great.

2346
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:07,760
Uh, you know, that second document that

2347
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:12,320
I had you pull up there, Kaden.

2348
01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:14,800
So, uh, Steve put this together just

2349
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:18,400
showing the cost in 21 versus 25. These

2350
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:21,600
two, uh, reports we have and the percent

2351
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:23,840
change. The Healey booster. I'm not

2352
01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:26,719
sure. I have to ask John about that. Why

2353
01:32:26,719 --> 01:32:29,280
that didn't change. Um, could have been

2354
01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:33,600
an oversight. I'm not sure. But, um,

2355
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:36,719
anyway, pretty pretty big significant

2356
01:32:36,719 --> 01:32:38,400
difference

2357
01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:41,440
uh, in cost increases in four years.

2358
01:32:41,440 --> 01:32:43,520
Right.

2359
01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:45,840
We we know this and we appreciate it. We

2360
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:47,920
also know why it happened. Like this

2361
01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:51,600
wasn't an ordinary four or five years.

2362
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:55,040
>> So yeah, I guess that's what I would ask

2363
01:32:55,040 --> 01:32:57,840
council is

2364
01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:00,400
we have a recommendation for all five.

2365
01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:02,560
We have information that costs aren't

2366
01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:04,480
going to come down.

2367
01:33:04,480 --> 01:33:07,600
Why delay? I'm I'm I don't understand

2368
01:33:07,600 --> 01:33:10,560
that process. So for me it's, you know,

2369
01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:12,400
you're looking at the two biggest ones

2370
01:33:12,400 --> 01:33:14,719
except for the low zone um holding tank.

2371
01:33:14,719 --> 01:33:16,480
Um we're feeling really good about being

2372
01:33:16,480 --> 01:33:19,840
able to get the grant for that. So um

2373
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:22,560
and if we don't, the suggestion would

2374
01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:24,159
you know if that opportunity for the

2375
01:33:24,159 --> 01:33:26,719
grant for the um low zone um holding

2376
01:33:26,719 --> 01:33:29,120
tank were not there, I would heavily

2377
01:33:29,120 --> 01:33:32,159
push for those top three probably. Um,

2378
01:33:32,159 --> 01:33:35,120
but because I feel really good about our

2379
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:37,679
ability to be able to achieve and get

2380
01:33:37,679 --> 01:33:40,320
that grant. Um, and then the other two

2381
01:33:40,320 --> 01:33:41,679
projects are less than a million

2382
01:33:41,679 --> 01:33:45,440
dollars. And I guess I'm being ultra

2383
01:33:45,440 --> 01:33:47,199
optimistic that we might be able to do

2384
01:33:47,199 --> 01:33:49,600
that without having to go for additional

2385
01:33:49,600 --> 01:33:50,320
bonding.

2386
01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:52,000
>> I'm not saying to include it in the

2387
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:54,719
bonding. I'm saying include it in

2388
01:33:54,719 --> 01:33:57,120
>> the buildout that Steve is recommending.

2389
01:33:57,120 --> 01:33:59,280
>> However, the funding comes together.

2390
01:33:59,280 --> 01:33:59,520
Yeah,

2391
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:01,440
>> they would like to see a plan moving

2392
01:34:01,440 --> 01:34:04,639
forward and based on all the information

2393
01:34:04,639 --> 01:34:07,280
up to right now, these should all be

2394
01:34:07,280 --> 01:34:10,239
moved forward, not peacemeal

2395
01:34:10,239 --> 01:34:12,400
>> and they should all be included.

2396
01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:13,280
>> No, I think

2397
01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:14,080
>> I'm ready.

2398
01:34:14,080 --> 01:34:16,800
>> So, I think we just Hold on. Um I think

2399
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:19,920
what we'll do is the go by the do these

2400
01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:22,000
two large projects move forward. If we

2401
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:25,280
get the low um zone expansion tank, then

2402
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:26,960
if we get the grant for that, that would

2403
01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:30,080
be started, right? And then as far as

2404
01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:33,920
funding for the Healey booster upsize

2405
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:37,679
and um the Grove Drive PRV to mid zone

2406
01:34:37,679 --> 01:34:42,800
that I mean to me doing these projects

2407
01:34:42,800 --> 01:34:44,800
in that first phase or in that first

2408
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:48,000
table those we have to do

2409
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:50,080
>> but I feel like the priority should be

2410
01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:52,639
the two that they suggested and then

2411
01:34:52,639 --> 01:34:54,960
with this grant funding opportunity to

2412
01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:57,120
move forward with that and then do the

2413
01:34:57,120 --> 01:34:59,040
other to as we can.

2414
01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:03,120
>> Well, why again? Why not do all four and

2415
01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:06,400
then conditioned the expansion on the

2416
01:35:06,400 --> 01:35:08,320
grant and then have a plan to move

2417
01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:10,639
forward if the grant doesn't come in. So

2418
01:35:10,639 --> 01:35:12,400
again, we're we're approving the

2419
01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:14,960
parameters with a plan moving forward

2420
01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:15,520
and

2421
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:17,360
>> so maybe the plan would be let's do the

2422
01:35:17,360 --> 01:35:21,120
well and the um so do according to this

2423
01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:23,760
table do items two and five and then

2424
01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:27,760
phase two will be one, three and four.

2425
01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:30,480
start off with these two. Let's get the

2426
01:35:30,480 --> 01:35:33,520
um bonding going. It's kind of a new

2427
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:35,600
process for all of us. We'll know how it

2428
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:38,560
works and then um we'll know what you

2429
01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:40,880
know hopefully by then once we get the

2430
01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:44,080
projects going and um because I think

2431
01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:46,239
the well itself is 18 months to a

2432
01:35:46,239 --> 01:35:47,679
two-year project, right?

2433
01:35:47,679 --> 01:35:49,040
>> So, while we're waiting on that, why

2434
01:35:49,040 --> 01:35:50,719
wouldn't we go ahead and do number one

2435
01:35:50,719 --> 01:35:52,719
and three? And right now, we're in the

2436
01:35:52,719 --> 01:35:54,880
middle of approving our budget for next

2437
01:35:54,880 --> 01:35:59,120
year. So that would just be a 700,000

2438
01:35:59,120 --> 01:36:01,360
$760,000

2439
01:36:01,360 --> 01:36:03,120
improvement for item one and three.

2440
01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:05,120
>> Did they prioritize the last three? I

2441
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:06,880
know they gave us the two as the biggest

2442
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:09,360
bang for our buck to Is there a way for

2443
01:36:09,360 --> 01:36:11,600
them to kind of prioritize the other

2444
01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:14,320
three on how we should

2445
01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:14,800
think that

2446
01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:15,760
>> I can ask?

2447
01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:18,239
>> That would be great. any advantage for

2448
01:36:18,239 --> 01:36:20,960
just bonding for 10 and then if we get

2449
01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:24,159
the grant then we have Sorry, another

2450
01:36:24,159 --> 01:36:25,040
you could do that.

2451
01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:27,199
>> I don't know. I'm just just I was just

2452
01:36:27,199 --> 01:36:28,320
asking a question. I'm not

2453
01:36:28,320 --> 01:36:29,679
>> No, you could totally do that.

2454
01:36:29,679 --> 01:36:31,440
>> I would love it if there's more than one

2455
01:36:31,440 --> 01:36:34,480
of these we could do at a time and try

2456
01:36:34,480 --> 01:36:36,159
as I I don't know how many of them we

2457
01:36:36,159 --> 01:36:37,679
can do combined at the same time, but

2458
01:36:37,679 --> 01:36:39,360
I'd rather not wait till the wells built

2459
01:36:39,360 --> 01:36:42,480
to do number three or number one. Like

2460
01:36:42,480 --> 01:36:45,040
if there's a way we could

2461
01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:47,040
>> I feel like I wanted I agree with you,

2462
01:36:47,040 --> 01:36:48,320
Sharon. Jessica,

2463
01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:49,840
>> one and three should just happen this

2464
01:36:49,840 --> 01:36:51,360
winter.

2465
01:36:51,360 --> 01:36:53,840
>> I I'm I'm I feel a hesitancy, and I'm

2466
01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:55,520
not sure why there's a hesitancy. We

2467
01:36:55,520 --> 01:36:56,880
have a committee that says, "Let's do

2468
01:36:56,880 --> 01:36:58,800
phase one." We have experts that say,

2469
01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:00,639
"Let's do phase one." We have a council

2470
01:37:00,639 --> 01:37:01,920
that's aligned to do phase one.

2471
01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:05,600
>> I guess I'm worried about our um

2472
01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:07,520
I'm worried about our general fund

2473
01:37:07,520 --> 01:37:09,440
balance. Um

2474
01:37:09,440 --> 01:37:11,119
>> this is all an enterprise fund. This has

2475
01:37:11,119 --> 01:37:12,320
nothing to do with the general fund.

2476
01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:14,080
>> Well, doesn't

2477
01:37:14,080 --> 01:37:16,239
the bond is paid from is a

2478
01:37:16,239 --> 01:37:18,800
>> to get these two to get these two

2479
01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:20,560
projects done. We're going to have to

2480
01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:23,199
start right away on the um RFPs and the

2481
01:37:23,199 --> 01:37:25,840
design process, which isn't cheap. And

2482
01:37:25,840 --> 01:37:27,280
we're going to have to front that

2483
01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:28,639
because I don't think we'll be able to

2484
01:37:28,639 --> 01:37:29,840
get the bond in time.

2485
01:37:29,840 --> 01:37:32,159
>> The longest bond time period is what 90

2486
01:37:32,159 --> 01:37:32,960
days.

2487
01:37:32,960 --> 01:37:35,040
>> That's if you do it privately.

2488
01:37:35,040 --> 01:37:36,000
>> That was the longest one.

2489
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:38,320
>> The private placement was approximately

2490
01:37:38,320 --> 01:37:42,960
60 days. Uh I forget the term. It's in

2491
01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:44,560
>> and then the state one is six to nine

2492
01:37:44,560 --> 01:37:44,960
months

2493
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:47,520
>> like 15 right there. Yeah.

2494
01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:48,639
>> Uh 90 days

2495
01:37:48,639 --> 01:37:50,239
>> 90 days per market.

2496
01:37:50,239 --> 01:37:50,719
>> So

2497
01:37:50,719 --> 01:37:53,440
>> but you can do an intercomp fund. Um you

2498
01:37:53,440 --> 01:37:55,119
borrow from the fund, you borrow from

2499
01:37:55,119 --> 01:37:56,719
yourself and then pay it back

2500
01:37:56,719 --> 01:37:58,159
>> with the bond funds. So

2501
01:37:58,159 --> 01:37:59,280
>> exactly.

2502
01:37:59,280 --> 01:38:01,280
>> I'm just saying you can use our general

2503
01:38:01,280 --> 01:38:03,920
fund for this and then pay it back over

2504
01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:05,440
time or whatever.

2505
01:38:05,440 --> 01:38:07,119
>> That was paid as soon as the bond is

2506
01:38:07,119 --> 01:38:08,719
funded. [clears throat] So, I'll just

2507
01:38:08,719 --> 01:38:11,119
say project number one on that that

2508
01:38:11,119 --> 01:38:14,719
table one, we can probably do that PRV

2509
01:38:14,719 --> 01:38:18,239
with the fund balance.

2510
01:38:18,239 --> 01:38:18,639
>> So,

2511
01:38:18,639 --> 01:38:20,560
>> and and how soon would that be?

2512
01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:23,199
>> But but then reimburse the enterprise

2513
01:38:23,199 --> 01:38:24,000
fund.

2514
01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:25,679
>> Well, the fund balance from the

2515
01:38:25,679 --> 01:38:26,320
enterprise.

2516
01:38:26,320 --> 01:38:27,520
>> Oh, great. Oh, sorry.

2517
01:38:27,520 --> 01:38:27,920
>> Yeah.

2518
01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:29,520
>> All right. You guys okay if I have a

2519
01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:31,280
moment and then uh Chrissy, I'm sure,

2520
01:38:31,280 --> 01:38:33,040
would want a moment? She hasn't spoken

2521
01:38:33,040 --> 01:38:35,840
much. Can I just finish asking Shane

2522
01:38:35,840 --> 01:38:36,880
just like

2523
01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:38,639
>> you know like how soon could each one of

2524
01:38:38,639 --> 01:38:40,639
these be done and about approximately

2525
01:38:40,639 --> 01:38:42,719
how long would they take?

2526
01:38:42,719 --> 01:38:45,679
>> Sorry, is that okay for design and the

2527
01:38:45,679 --> 01:38:46,400
project?

2528
01:38:46,400 --> 01:38:49,920
>> So the boosters probably roughly a year

2529
01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:51,440
each.

2530
01:38:51,440 --> 01:38:54,560
The well, drilling the well, equipping

2531
01:38:54,560 --> 01:38:57,920
it, doing everything probably two years.

2532
01:38:57,920 --> 01:39:01,280
Um the tank

2533
01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:03,280
uh probably a year.

2534
01:39:03,280 --> 01:39:06,639
And you said the Grove Drive PRV that

2535
01:39:06,639 --> 01:39:08,560
how long is that?

2536
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:11,360
>> There'd be some design on that and and

2537
01:39:11,360 --> 01:39:14,000
we probably could build that.

2538
01:39:14,000 --> 01:39:14,480
>> Okay.

2539
01:39:14,480 --> 01:39:17,520
>> With fund balance.

2540
01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:18,639
>> Uh

2541
01:39:18,639 --> 01:39:19,360
>> Grove Drive

2542
01:39:19,360 --> 01:39:22,320
>> just our from our PI just our PI general

2543
01:39:22,320 --> 01:39:22,719
fund.

2544
01:39:22,719 --> 01:39:24,320
>> And then what about the Healey booster?

2545
01:39:24,320 --> 01:39:27,600
Did you say how that would be funded?

2546
01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:30,639
>> We we'd have to borrow money to do that.

2547
01:39:30,639 --> 01:39:35,270
So, just add it to the bond amount.

2548
01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:37,280
» And um how long would it take to do the

2549
01:39:37,280 --> 01:39:40,000
Grove Drive PRV to mid zone?

2550
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:41,679
>> Uh

2551
01:39:41,679 --> 01:39:43,440
like design and everything, less than

2552
01:39:43,440 --> 01:39:44,320
six months. Oh,

2553
01:39:44,320 --> 01:39:48,800
>> okay. And then um how soon could any of

2554
01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:51,679
these get started once we get funding?

2555
01:39:51,679 --> 01:39:54,800
>> Um it depends on consulting schedules.

2556
01:39:54,800 --> 01:39:57,040
So, it's really hard to say. you know,

2557
01:39:57,040 --> 01:39:59,920
we put the RFP out and we put time

2558
01:39:59,920 --> 01:40:02,880
parameters in there and then if they

2559
01:40:02,880 --> 01:40:04,239
can't meet that, they probably just

2560
01:40:04,239 --> 01:40:05,679
won't submit a proposal.

2561
01:40:05,679 --> 01:40:07,119
>> Okay. Thank you.

2562
01:40:07,119 --> 01:40:08,400
>> Yeah.

2563
01:40:08,400 --> 01:40:09,119
>> Sorry, Andrew.

2564
01:40:09,119 --> 01:40:10,400
>> It's okay. Chrissy, do you want to go

2565
01:40:10,400 --> 01:40:13,840
first or should I

2566
01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:15,920
>> I had to step away, so you go ahead. I

2567
01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:18,960
did have uh something at when at last.

2568
01:40:18,960 --> 01:40:20,719
>> Okay. Thanks, Chrissy. This gives us

2569
01:40:20,719 --> 01:40:22,480
enough time for us to have a turn. So,

2570
01:40:22,480 --> 01:40:24,639
uh these are the questions and the

2571
01:40:24,639 --> 01:40:26,719
thoughts I have. uh hopefully they can

2572
01:40:26,719 --> 01:40:28,880
be helpful to the committee and the

2573
01:40:28,880 --> 01:40:31,119
council and provide some additional

2574
01:40:31,119 --> 01:40:34,480
ideas that might be able to help or if

2575
01:40:34,480 --> 01:40:37,199
not here they are. So, so couple

2576
01:40:37,199 --> 01:40:40,000
questions I have. Um, one is I need to

2577
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:42,320
know how much per resident this would

2578
01:40:42,320 --> 01:40:44,239
raise. Whatever we decide on or a

2579
01:40:44,239 --> 01:40:46,080
ballpark just figure if it's for the 9

2580
01:40:46,080 --> 01:40:47,920
million. I need to know how much per

2581
01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:49,199
resident so I can start.

2582
01:40:49,199 --> 01:40:51,199
>> So, when they come back for the bond

2583
01:40:51,199 --> 01:40:53,119
that presentation will have the numbers,

2584
01:40:53,119 --> 01:40:55,119
>> right? But I I can't vote.

2585
01:40:55,119 --> 01:40:56,560
>> We can't give you a number until you

2586
01:40:56,560 --> 01:40:58,000
tell us what projects.

2587
01:40:58,000 --> 01:40:58,880
>> Well, okay. So, let's

2588
01:40:58,880 --> 01:41:00,159
>> totally dependent on scope.

2589
01:41:00,159 --> 01:41:01,199
>> And we're not voting today.

2590
01:41:01,199 --> 01:41:03,199
>> For now, let's assume I know. But I in

2591
01:41:03,199 --> 01:41:04,800
order for me to make a decision, I need

2592
01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:06,400
to be able to tell them. So let's just

2593
01:41:06,400 --> 01:41:10,080
assume it's for the two $9 million bond.

2594
01:41:10,080 --> 01:41:12,239
So I can give them a ballpark figure.

2595
01:41:12,239 --> 01:41:14,400
This is what we're looking at. 30 80

2596
01:41:14,400 --> 01:41:16,000
ballpark. I know it's going to range

2597
01:41:16,000 --> 01:41:18,320
because people use but a ballpark. I

2598
01:41:18,320 --> 01:41:19,760
just need something.

2599
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:21,199
>> Didn't we talk about that before? I

2600
01:41:21,199 --> 01:41:21,440
think

2601
01:41:21,440 --> 01:41:23,440
>> we did in counsel when we had this.

2602
01:41:23,440 --> 01:41:24,880
>> No, that's the number I came up with by

2603
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:25,600
doing my math.

2604
01:41:25,600 --> 01:41:27,520
>> No, we we provided a number. We just

2605
01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:29,679
took the 9 million divided by

2606
01:41:29,679 --> 01:41:31,760
>> and you you got around 20. that that's

2607
01:41:31,760 --> 01:41:33,119
what I got around in our meeting, but

2608
01:41:33,119 --> 01:41:34,639
that's just doing math. That's not

2609
01:41:34,639 --> 01:41:36,639
probably right. It's just a ballpark.

2610
01:41:36,639 --> 01:41:38,719
Well, it's not even a ballpark. It's a

2611
01:41:38,719 --> 01:41:41,119
so something really close would be

2612
01:41:41,119 --> 01:41:44,719
helpful. The next question is um the the

2613
01:41:44,719 --> 01:41:47,119
debt I was on the understanding it does

2614
01:41:47,119 --> 01:41:48,880
not all come from the enterprise fund

2615
01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:50,400
that we are funding this from other

2616
01:41:50,400 --> 01:41:53,040
sources. Am I wrong? Is this all coming

2617
01:41:53,040 --> 01:41:54,480
from the enterprise fund? The PI

2618
01:41:54,480 --> 01:41:55,040
enterprise fund.

2619
01:41:55,040 --> 01:41:56,560
>> It should. That's what we'd recommend.

2620
01:41:56,560 --> 01:41:56,960
Yeah.

2621
01:41:56,960 --> 01:41:58,000
>> Yes.

2622
01:41:58,000 --> 01:42:00,560
>> Okay. The only caveat I'd say to that

2623
01:42:00,560 --> 01:42:02,960
and I mentioned it in the my responses

2624
01:42:02,960 --> 01:42:06,080
in the PowerPoint. Uh we received money

2625
01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:09,040
during CO and back then the council said

2626
01:42:09,040 --> 01:42:10,400
what should we do with the money and we

2627
01:42:10,400 --> 01:42:12,880
had some little things like the entrance

2628
01:42:12,880 --> 01:42:15,199
to city hall and different things but we

2629
01:42:15,199 --> 01:42:18,560
recommended drilling the well with it

2630
01:42:18,560 --> 01:42:21,040
>> and it just kind of ended up

2631
01:42:21,040 --> 01:42:22,719
>> right was something in the capital

2632
01:42:22,719 --> 01:42:24,480
improvement fund.

2633
01:42:24,480 --> 01:42:27,520
>> Yeah. So part of our roughly $8 million

2634
01:42:27,520 --> 01:42:29,600
fund balance in there, there would be

2635
01:42:29,600 --> 01:42:31,040
some of that money in there.

2636
01:42:31,040 --> 01:42:32,400
>> Okay, that's so let me just go through

2637
01:42:32,400 --> 01:42:33,600
the three things just so you know where

2638
01:42:33,600 --> 01:42:35,600
I'm at and hopefully this helps. So the

2639
01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:37,119
overall picture, there's just three

2640
01:42:37,119 --> 01:42:39,600
things and ultimately I I don't think I

2641
01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:41,679
can support a bond, but I'll get there.

2642
01:42:41,679 --> 01:42:44,000
Uh the overall picture is this is 175

2643
01:42:44,000 --> 01:42:46,719
million over 80 years, 2 million a year,

2644
01:42:46,719 --> 01:42:48,880
a little bit over. We're looking at a $9

2645
01:42:48,880 --> 01:42:51,040
million bond that will cost us 13.5

2646
01:42:51,040 --> 01:42:52,639
million and then another $20 million

2647
01:42:52,639 --> 01:42:54,960
bond to do this phase two that will cost

2648
01:42:54,960 --> 01:42:59,280
us uh nearing 28 million. Uh this is all

2649
01:42:59,280 --> 01:43:01,679
for a centralized system that we

2650
01:43:01,679 --> 01:43:04,719
currently have expanding it which we are

2651
01:43:04,719 --> 01:43:06,400
learning can be turned off if anyone

2652
01:43:06,400 --> 01:43:09,280
violates it. We get a warning, we get

2653
01:43:09,280 --> 01:43:11,280
meters when they break, we have to pay

2654
01:43:11,280 --> 01:43:15,360
for them. Um the aquafer is going down

2655
01:43:15,360 --> 01:43:17,679
and this results in ultimately our fees

2656
01:43:17,679 --> 01:43:20,080
endlessly raising. I do know the

2657
01:43:20,080 --> 01:43:23,360
residents want a solution. Um I think

2658
01:43:23,360 --> 01:43:25,360
they're mad more about the texts than

2659
01:43:25,360 --> 01:43:26,560
they are actually about the water, but

2660
01:43:26,560 --> 01:43:29,679
that's just my opinion. Uh I feel like

2661
01:43:29,679 --> 01:43:32,400
the money we have is going to other

2662
01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:34,400
things. It's going to fire department

2663
01:43:34,400 --> 01:43:37,600
fire uh building restructure. um it's

2664
01:43:37,600 --> 01:43:40,400
going to a lot of uh raises that we've

2665
01:43:40,400 --> 01:43:43,040
given in salaries. Um so anyways, that's

2666
01:43:43,040 --> 01:43:44,719
where I'm looking at an overall picture

2667
01:43:44,719 --> 01:43:50,400
of this 175 million over uh 80 years and

2668
01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:52,080
the and the ones right in ahead of us

2669
01:43:52,080 --> 01:43:54,000
that the water committee is doing. This

2670
01:43:54,000 --> 01:43:56,639
is generational. Um I think it's too

2671
01:43:56,639 --> 01:43:58,239
much. I I just I just don't think we can

2672
01:43:58,239 --> 01:44:00,719
sustain it. Our our um residents are

2673
01:44:00,719 --> 01:44:02,719
actually decreasing from our tax

2674
01:44:02,719 --> 01:44:04,159
meeting. We found out we are not going

2675
01:44:04,159 --> 01:44:06,560
up, we are going down. Horox thought by

2676
01:44:06,560 --> 01:44:08,400
this point we would have a 30,000

2677
01:44:08,400 --> 01:44:10,320
population. Oh yes, it's written. I've

2678
01:44:10,320 --> 01:44:12,239
shown it to you. In 1991 in their in

2679
01:44:12,239 --> 01:44:14,320
their study, they thought by 2025 we

2680
01:44:14,320 --> 01:44:16,639
would have a 30,000 population.

2681
01:44:16,639 --> 01:44:18,480
>> And that's possibly because there's a

2682
01:44:18,480 --> 01:44:20,880
huge annexation potential out west.

2683
01:44:20,880 --> 01:44:22,320
Right. Right. And it wasn't determined

2684
01:44:22,320 --> 01:44:22,719
at that point.

2685
01:44:22,719 --> 01:44:24,320
>> It's just based on what they knew. Okay.

2686
01:44:24,320 --> 01:44:25,920
So we learned things. Right now what we

2687
01:44:25,920 --> 01:44:27,760
know as of this month is our population

2688
01:44:27,760 --> 01:44:30,239
is not increasing. It's decreasing for

2689
01:44:30,239 --> 01:44:32,960
the first time. Um, so anyways, what I

2690
01:44:32,960 --> 01:44:35,119
would be hope for and this is the work

2691
01:44:35,119 --> 01:44:37,760
session options I can provide that I

2692
01:44:37,760 --> 01:44:39,600
hope will be at least considered in part

2693
01:44:39,600 --> 01:44:42,080
or full is a different funding

2694
01:44:42,080 --> 01:44:45,119
mechanism. I am for uh fixing the water

2695
01:44:45,119 --> 01:44:47,520
but with a different funding mechanism.

2696
01:44:47,520 --> 01:44:51,119
I would be in favor of raising the uh

2697
01:44:51,119 --> 01:44:53,600
enterprise fees and then knocking them

2698
01:44:53,600 --> 01:44:56,400
off one by one. That allows us to pay 9

2699
01:44:56,400 --> 01:45:00,000
million but not the extra almost four

2700
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:01,760
for debt. It will take a little bit

2701
01:45:01,760 --> 01:45:03,679
longer. The residents might be a little

2702
01:45:03,679 --> 01:45:06,080
bit disgruntled, but I think based on

2703
01:45:06,080 --> 01:45:07,440
what I'm hearing, they would be okay

2704
01:45:07,440 --> 01:45:09,040
knowing that they wouldn't have debt.

2705
01:45:09,040 --> 01:45:11,440
>> So, Andrew, I just did an amorization.

2706
01:45:11,440 --> 01:45:13,920
I'm giving you numbers for 20 year $9

2707
01:45:13,920 --> 01:45:16,880
million at 4% is

2708
01:45:16,880 --> 01:45:19,679
>> um based on 3,000 households, which I

2709
01:45:19,679 --> 01:45:23,280
believe we're about at $18.17.

2710
01:45:23,280 --> 01:45:26,159
For a 25-y year loan or 25-year bond,

2711
01:45:26,159 --> 01:45:28,400
it'd be$1,584

2712
01:45:28,400 --> 01:45:30,080
>> plus or minus. I arrived at the same

2713
01:45:30,080 --> 01:45:32,480
numbers. And so I realize that's small.

2714
01:45:32,480 --> 01:45:34,080
The problem is

2715
01:45:34,080 --> 01:45:36,480
we're doing it with everything. It's so

2716
01:45:36,480 --> 01:45:37,840
hold on, but let me finish. I realize

2717
01:45:37,840 --> 01:45:38,880
that's small. They're not getting hit

2718
01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:40,880
with an extra $15 bill. They're getting

2719
01:45:40,880 --> 01:45:41,920
hit with the same thing from

2720
01:45:41,920 --> 01:45:43,360
electricity, same thing from property

2721
01:45:43,360 --> 01:45:45,360
taxes, same thing from insurance, same

2722
01:45:45,360 --> 01:45:46,880
thing from every every other bill.

2723
01:45:46,880 --> 01:45:48,800
They've got food, gas, and so it's

2724
01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:51,199
actually more like five to $1,000 extra

2725
01:45:51,199 --> 01:45:52,800
a month. So there's just one thing on

2726
01:45:52,800 --> 01:45:54,480
top of it, but I know they need a fix.

2727
01:45:54,480 --> 01:45:55,040
Anyways,

2728
01:45:55,040 --> 01:45:57,119
>> I think if it's going up 5,000 extra

2729
01:45:57,119 --> 01:45:59,440
that you I mean there's no way I'm

2730
01:45:59,440 --> 01:46:00,800
saying the school district.

2731
01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:03,040
>> I Yes, that too. That too. So, I'm just

2732
01:46:03,040 --> 01:46:04,639
saying I'd be for it for a different

2733
01:46:04,639 --> 01:46:06,639
funding mechanism. The other option is

2734
01:46:06,639 --> 01:46:08,800
there's been a developer that would said

2735
01:46:08,800 --> 01:46:11,360
he would partner and pay the fee for the

2736
01:46:11,360 --> 01:46:13,840
well if we would be helpful for his

2737
01:46:13,840 --> 01:46:16,080
development. Um I don't like making

2738
01:46:16,080 --> 01:46:17,440
deals like that, but it would cut the

2739
01:46:17,440 --> 01:46:18,400
cost on. So, I'd be more

2740
01:46:18,400 --> 01:46:21,199
>> he's not has he said he'd pay 62.2 2

2741
01:46:21,199 --> 01:46:22,719
million that was not

2742
01:46:22,719 --> 01:46:24,320
>> they've offered to contribute

2743
01:46:24,320 --> 01:46:26,320
>> not to contribute. So so I would I would

2744
01:46:26,320 --> 01:46:28,080
be more open for something like that to

2745
01:46:28,080 --> 01:46:31,040
save on the cost versus just a blanket

2746
01:46:31,040 --> 01:46:35,040
um uh bond with Zans. Uh it's just me

2747
01:46:35,040 --> 01:46:36,880
now. Take it or leave it. I'm I'm just

2748
01:46:36,880 --> 01:46:38,960
trying to add a different This is all

2749
01:46:38,960 --> 01:46:40,239
left field over here. This is where left

2750
01:46:40,239 --> 01:46:41,760
field ideas come from. Okay.

2751
01:46:41,760 --> 01:46:42,400
>> Okay. Let's

2752
01:46:42,400 --> 01:46:45,520
>> I'm almost done the last two things. So,

2753
01:46:45,520 --> 01:46:48,480
um, I I would be more in favor of

2754
01:46:48,480 --> 01:46:50,400
different solutions than even what the

2755
01:46:50,400 --> 01:46:52,800
experts have brought up. Okay? I know

2756
01:46:52,800 --> 01:46:54,000
you're not supposed to go against

2757
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:56,000
experts, but sometimes experts are

2758
01:46:56,000 --> 01:46:57,600
trained and modeled in a certain way

2759
01:46:57,600 --> 01:47:00,000
where they miss other options. We see

2760
01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:02,000
that in NASA. NASA always did something

2761
01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:03,520
one way. All of a sudden, some

2762
01:47:03,520 --> 01:47:05,520
non-experts got involved. Now, we do it

2763
01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:07,119
a completely different way. We catch the

2764
01:47:07,119 --> 01:47:08,560
rocket out of the air. Never been

2765
01:47:08,560 --> 01:47:11,040
thought of. We'll never go back. Okay?

2766
01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:13,440
So experts are often trained in a model

2767
01:47:13,440 --> 01:47:15,440
and in a system that doesn't allow them

2768
01:47:15,440 --> 01:47:17,360
to veer out. So we appreciate their

2769
01:47:17,360 --> 01:47:19,360
feedback, but sometimes there's extra

2770
01:47:19,360 --> 01:47:22,080
stuff that are not trained. So every

2771
01:47:22,080 --> 01:47:24,960
expert I have talked to on the ground,

2772
01:47:24,960 --> 01:47:27,600
employee and above has all said that the

2773
01:47:27,600 --> 01:47:30,960
actual way to solve this is storage.

2774
01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:32,239
Every single one of them have come back

2775
01:47:32,239 --> 01:47:34,000
to it. If you actually want to solve

2776
01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:36,800
this, it is long-term storage. Now what

2777
01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:38,800
they mean is like reservoirs, which is

2778
01:47:38,800 --> 01:47:41,679
impossible. I know that. But it is not

2779
01:47:41,679 --> 01:47:43,119
impossible. I've been looking at it at

2780
01:47:43,119 --> 01:47:44,880
disseminated storage. And this is why a

2781
01:47:44,880 --> 01:47:46,560
lot of other industries are going

2782
01:47:46,560 --> 01:47:48,239
they're going towards disseminated

2783
01:47:48,239 --> 01:47:50,719
power, smaller nuclear or batteries on

2784
01:47:50,719 --> 01:47:52,880
homes. I feel like we can do it for

2785
01:47:52,880 --> 01:47:54,800
cheaper. Well, so I'm I am for

2786
01:47:54,800 --> 01:47:56,880
disseminated storage. It would do

2787
01:47:56,880 --> 01:47:59,199
everything that these options want. It

2788
01:47:59,199 --> 01:48:02,320
is way cheaper. It more than doubles all

2789
01:48:02,320 --> 01:48:04,080
the reservoir storage we have. So right

2790
01:48:04,080 --> 01:48:06,320
now we have, if the water committee can

2791
01:48:06,320 --> 01:48:09,440
verify, we have about 7 million uh

2792
01:48:09,440 --> 01:48:11,600
gallons of water storage. If we do

2793
01:48:11,600 --> 01:48:13,440
disseminated water storage, and if you

2794
01:48:13,440 --> 01:48:14,560
don't know what that means, that's tanks

2795
01:48:14,560 --> 01:48:16,320
of people's houses. If we do

2796
01:48:16,320 --> 01:48:18,560
disseminated storage, which can be done

2797
01:48:18,560 --> 01:48:21,040
immediate, not a year, not two years, we

2798
01:48:21,040 --> 01:48:23,199
can have more than double our long-term

2799
01:48:23,199 --> 01:48:25,360
water storage capacity. And we don't

2800
01:48:25,360 --> 01:48:26,639
just pull it from the aquafer, we pull

2801
01:48:26,639 --> 01:48:28,639
it from snow, we pull it from rain, they

2802
01:48:28,639 --> 01:48:30,719
can fill it up with their hose, anything

2803
01:48:30,719 --> 01:48:32,800
like that. So anyways, they're $2,500 a

2804
01:48:32,800 --> 01:48:34,320
piece. If you buy a lot of them, they're

2805
01:48:34,320 --> 01:48:36,719
down to 2,000. So I would hope that the

2806
01:48:36,719 --> 01:48:38,719
council might be in favor of adding

2807
01:48:38,719 --> 01:48:40,719
maybe 70 to these. If you're if you're

2808
01:48:40,719 --> 01:48:43,199
not fully against them, maybe adding 70

2809
01:48:43,199 --> 01:48:45,119
of them to disperse them to see if they

2810
01:48:45,119 --> 01:48:47,119
can work. They help with fires. They're

2811
01:48:47,119 --> 01:48:49,280
actually mandated in in California

2812
01:48:49,280 --> 01:48:52,239
because of fires. Um they would be

2813
01:48:52,239 --> 01:48:55,360
immediate. Um those who need more water

2814
01:48:55,360 --> 01:48:57,199
can add as many as they want or they can

2815
01:48:57,199 --> 01:48:58,560
have them. Those who don't need more

2816
01:48:58,560 --> 01:49:01,040
water don't have to get them. So that's

2817
01:49:01,040 --> 01:49:02,639
disseminated storage. I think it is

2818
01:49:02,639 --> 01:49:04,800
actually the way of the future versus a

2819
01:49:04,800 --> 01:49:06,880
centralized system which can be shut

2820
01:49:06,880 --> 01:49:08,480
off, breaks, and we're seeing this in

2821
01:49:08,480 --> 01:49:10,080
the electrical grid. I think we're going

2822
01:49:10,080 --> 01:49:11,840
to see it on the water grid as well over

2823
01:49:11,840 --> 01:49:14,639
time. I'll just get the last one. Um I

2824
01:49:14,639 --> 01:49:16,159
don't see a path forward on this unless

2825
01:49:16,159 --> 01:49:18,480
we can fix the actual resident problem

2826
01:49:18,480 --> 01:49:20,320
that's being brought up even in a wet

2827
01:49:20,320 --> 01:49:22,560
year, which is the Alpine Elementary

2828
01:49:22,560 --> 01:49:24,880
area. Even in a wet year, they have a

2829
01:49:24,880 --> 01:49:27,920
problem. Even in a big snowpack year,

2830
01:49:27,920 --> 01:49:30,239
they have a problem. We're not actually

2831
01:49:30,239 --> 01:49:32,080
addressing their problem as well as I

2832
01:49:32,080 --> 01:49:34,320
think we could. If this came pushed down

2833
01:49:34,320 --> 01:49:36,000
to shove, I would love to add that in

2834
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:38,480
there because that's the actual only

2835
01:49:38,480 --> 01:49:40,400
well not the only that's an actual real

2836
01:49:40,400 --> 01:49:42,000
problem we have right now where they

2837
01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:44,159
don't have pressure when it's wet, when

2838
01:49:44,159 --> 01:49:47,280
it's dry during any time period. So So

2839
01:49:47,280 --> 01:49:49,679
uh I think we should do that fix. Um we

2840
01:49:49,679 --> 01:49:51,280
could do that without doing any of this.

2841
01:49:51,280 --> 01:49:53,600
It's a cheap fix. It's actually the one

2842
01:49:53,600 --> 01:49:55,520
that with or without text residents have

2843
01:49:55,520 --> 01:49:58,159
beenounding me andounding the city to

2844
01:49:58,159 --> 01:50:00,880
fix the pressure which is uh very low or

2845
01:50:00,880 --> 01:50:03,280
non-existent on the north side of Alpine

2846
01:50:03,280 --> 01:50:05,920
Elementary. Um

2847
01:50:05,920 --> 01:50:08,800
so uh that's that's that's the ones I

2848
01:50:08,800 --> 01:50:12,080
had. I can't support everything I know

2849
01:50:12,080 --> 01:50:14,480
from looking at this funding. I cannot

2850
01:50:14,480 --> 01:50:16,880
push a 25. I I've tried. I mean these

2851
01:50:16,880 --> 01:50:18,320
are my neighbors. These I love these

2852
01:50:18,320 --> 01:50:19,440
people. I I grew up with

2853
01:50:19,440 --> 01:50:21,679
>> Okay, let's go. I'm I'm saying I I can't

2854
01:50:21,679 --> 01:50:24,639
support the 9 million bond at 13.5.

2855
01:50:24,639 --> 01:50:25,840
>> Chrissy, did you have something you

2856
01:50:25,840 --> 01:50:29,430
wanted to say?

2857
01:50:29,440 --> 01:50:31,600
» I'll just be brief.

2858
01:50:31,600 --> 01:50:34,000
>> I just um I just want to say that we as

2859
01:50:34,000 --> 01:50:35,760
far as debt is concerned. I we've spoken

2860
01:50:35,760 --> 01:50:38,239
about this before before. I just want to

2861
01:50:38,239 --> 01:50:40,560
say that it does match the cost matches

2862
01:50:40,560 --> 01:50:42,719
the b the people who benefit from the

2863
01:50:42,719 --> 01:50:47,040
project and that's a bonus for that. Um

2864
01:50:47,040 --> 01:50:50,080
the other thing is whether we borrow

2865
01:50:50,080 --> 01:50:53,119
nine or 10. It is possible for Zans to

2866
01:50:53,119 --> 01:50:55,760
tell us for every million dollars you

2867
01:50:55,760 --> 01:50:59,360
would see this amount of money um per

2868
01:50:59,360 --> 01:51:02,080
resident and that may help us decide

2869
01:51:02,080 --> 01:51:04,239
whether to do just the first phase or

2870
01:51:04,239 --> 01:51:06,719
all of it. I think that's you know it's

2871
01:51:06,719 --> 01:51:08,639
just a matter of changing numbers in a

2872
01:51:08,639 --> 01:51:11,119
formula for them. And so they could give

2873
01:51:11,119 --> 01:51:13,840
us option one is the nine and then if we

2874
01:51:13,840 --> 01:51:15,679
want to do everything option two. I

2875
01:51:15,679 --> 01:51:17,040
think that might be helpful based on

2876
01:51:17,040 --> 01:51:18,880
what I was hearing although I didn't

2877
01:51:18,880 --> 01:51:21,600
hear everything. Finally, I do um

2878
01:51:21,600 --> 01:51:24,800
appreciate the in-depth discussion about

2879
01:51:24,800 --> 01:51:28,560
where our issues are and what they are.

2880
01:51:28,560 --> 01:51:30,719
And I think um where Jessica started out

2881
01:51:30,719 --> 01:51:32,159
saying, okay, how many people would

2882
01:51:32,159 --> 01:51:34,880
benefit from this project? It's it's

2883
01:51:34,880 --> 01:51:36,800
hard maybe it's hard to identify but I

2884
01:51:36,800 --> 01:51:39,199
do feel like we're obligated to bring

2885
01:51:39,199 --> 01:51:41,440
equity to every resident because

2886
01:51:41,440 --> 01:51:43,679
everybody's paying into the system at

2887
01:51:43,679 --> 01:51:46,159
you know our same rates. So where I live

2888
01:51:46,159 --> 01:51:48,480
at the you know the bottom of the lower

2889
01:51:48,480 --> 01:51:50,480
elevation in the city we don't have any

2890
01:51:50,480 --> 01:51:54,159
pressure issues. So to to to be asked to

2891
01:51:54,159 --> 01:51:57,280
fund projects that bring other people to

2892
01:51:57,280 --> 01:51:59,760
the same level of service that I receive

2893
01:51:59,760 --> 01:52:03,280
to me is totally fair because um they

2894
01:52:03,280 --> 01:52:05,199
have pressure issues and they we need to

2895
01:52:05,199 --> 01:52:07,360
build redundancy or maybe we need to add

2896
01:52:07,360 --> 01:52:10,400
new sources. All of that to me is part

2897
01:52:10,400 --> 01:52:12,880
of our responsibility is that every

2898
01:52:12,880 --> 01:52:15,280
resident has an equitable level of

2899
01:52:15,280 --> 01:52:17,280
service and that's what I feel like

2900
01:52:17,280 --> 01:52:19,599
these projects are meeting. And as far

2901
01:52:19,599 --> 01:52:21,040
as the funding, I've already addressed

2902
01:52:21,040 --> 01:52:24,320
that. So I would be open to um you know

2903
01:52:24,320 --> 01:52:27,199
grants or bonds or whatever it needs to

2904
01:52:27,199 --> 01:52:30,000
happen but I do believe in the overall

2905
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:33,360
purpose is to provide equity to all

2906
01:52:33,360 --> 01:52:36,320
residents and that um including those

2907
01:52:36,320 --> 01:52:40,000
that are going to move in to our town

2908
01:52:40,000 --> 01:52:42,560
and we've already approved lots. So we

2909
01:52:42,560 --> 01:52:44,639
need to provide the infrastructure that

2910
01:52:44,639 --> 01:52:46,880
they get the same level of service as

2911
01:52:46,880 --> 01:52:49,199
those of us that have lived here longer.

2912
01:52:49,199 --> 01:52:51,280
And so that's the that's the big

2913
01:52:51,280 --> 01:52:53,280
picture. Just wanted to say that I

2914
01:52:53,280 --> 01:52:56,159
appreciate all the time and effort. Um

2915
01:52:56,159 --> 01:52:58,320
like answering questions, the reports,

2916
01:52:58,320 --> 01:52:59,920
everything just for me builds

2917
01:52:59,920 --> 01:53:02,080
confidence. I am a numbers person. I do

2918
01:53:02,080 --> 01:53:04,480
go through all the details and it just I

2919
01:53:04,480 --> 01:53:06,080
appreciate all that and that's all I

2920
01:53:06,080 --> 01:53:06,960
have to say.

2921
01:53:06,960 --> 01:53:08,639
>> Siri, did you have last comments?

2922
01:53:08,639 --> 01:53:11,199
>> No. Okay, Jessica, go ahead.

2923
01:53:11,199 --> 01:53:13,520
>> I'll just reiterate that I don't want it

2924
01:53:13,520 --> 01:53:16,400
to be in lie of addressing culinary

2925
01:53:16,400 --> 01:53:18,239
needs that the professionals have said.

2926
01:53:18,239 --> 01:53:21,440
We have $14 million of deficiencies. And

2927
01:53:21,440 --> 01:53:23,599
so we need to recognize that if we're

2928
01:53:23,599 --> 01:53:26,159
going to follow the experts guidelines

2929
01:53:26,159 --> 01:53:28,480
with our PI, we definitely need to

2930
01:53:28,480 --> 01:53:30,480
adhere to their guidance with our

2931
01:53:30,480 --> 01:53:34,719
culinary. Um I also think that

2932
01:53:34,719 --> 01:53:36,960
we shouldn't peacemeal phase one. phase

2933
01:53:36,960 --> 01:53:40,480
one has come to us as a whole solution

2934
01:53:40,480 --> 01:53:43,119
and that if we're going to move forward,

2935
01:53:43,119 --> 01:53:46,639
let's move forward confidently and

2936
01:53:46,639 --> 01:53:49,599
provide equity across

2937
01:53:49,599 --> 01:53:52,639
the whole city instead of one little

2938
01:53:52,639 --> 01:53:54,560
fixing one area and not fixing all

2939
01:53:54,560 --> 01:53:55,760
areas.

2940
01:53:55,760 --> 01:53:58,159
>> Right. just that I like the idea that

2941
01:53:58,159 --> 01:54:01,520
Sarah and Jessica and Chrissy I think

2942
01:54:01,520 --> 01:54:04,080
talked about I think Chrissy of doing

2943
01:54:04,080 --> 01:54:05,599
one, two, three, and five and holding

2944
01:54:05,599 --> 01:54:08,080
off on four until we can see if we're

2945
01:54:08,080 --> 01:54:10,320
going to get that that grant unless

2946
01:54:10,320 --> 01:54:12,480
there's a possibility of getting grants

2947
01:54:12,480 --> 01:54:14,159
for the other projects. If if we think

2948
01:54:14,159 --> 01:54:16,080
that's a strong possibility, I would be

2949
01:54:16,080 --> 01:54:19,199
in favor of delaying just I I too am

2950
01:54:19,199 --> 01:54:21,199
very averse to borrowing in my personal

2951
01:54:21,199 --> 01:54:23,040
life. I do understand the need for it

2952
01:54:23,040 --> 01:54:25,599
sometimes in the government sector to

2953
01:54:25,599 --> 01:54:27,920
try and I know you're I understand the

2954
01:54:27,920 --> 01:54:30,960
concern about a 15 to20 a month increase

2955
01:54:30,960 --> 01:54:34,719
in your PI rate to pay for this 9

2956
01:54:34,719 --> 01:54:36,560
million now potentially $10 million

2957
01:54:36,560 --> 01:54:39,440
bond. But to be able to raise that money

2958
01:54:39,440 --> 01:54:41,199
to do these projects and in a recent

2959
01:54:41,199 --> 01:54:43,599
amount of time that rate increase would

2960
01:54:43,599 --> 01:54:46,239
have to be significantly more. and by

2961
01:54:46,239 --> 01:54:47,840
the time we raise enough money for one

2962
01:54:47,840 --> 01:54:50,560
project, the cost is going to be

2963
01:54:50,560 --> 01:54:53,760
probably 50 to 100% more. So, I just

2964
01:54:53,760 --> 01:54:55,840
don't see that as an option. If we're

2965
01:54:55,840 --> 01:54:58,400
going to do it, I think this is the the

2966
01:54:58,400 --> 01:55:00,560
prime example of when we would bond to

2967
01:55:00,560 --> 01:55:03,040
not only be able to do it now at a lower

2968
01:55:03,040 --> 01:55:04,960
cost and to spread that cost out over

2969
01:55:04,960 --> 01:55:06,960
years. Granted, there is an interest

2970
01:55:06,960 --> 01:55:09,280
component, but that same interest

2971
01:55:09,280 --> 01:55:11,199
component applies when you're delaying

2972
01:55:11,199 --> 01:55:12,960
the project. The same cost increases

2973
01:55:12,960 --> 01:55:14,560
>> for sure. the rate of inflation. And

2974
01:55:14,560 --> 01:55:16,320
then also the thing that I do like about

2975
01:55:16,320 --> 01:55:18,800
bonding is people that are using it are

2976
01:55:18,800 --> 01:55:20,159
actually paying for it.

2977
01:55:20,159 --> 01:55:21,920
>> So you don't have people 10 years before

2978
01:55:21,920 --> 01:55:23,679
and then they move and are paying into

2979
01:55:23,679 --> 01:55:25,040
it, paying into it, and they'll never

2980
01:55:25,040 --> 01:55:26,400
see the fruition of it.

2981
01:55:26,400 --> 01:55:26,880
>> Exactly.

2982
01:55:26,880 --> 01:55:28,400
>> I mean, there's always that piece of the

2983
01:55:28,400 --> 01:55:29,119
equity puzzle.

2984
01:55:29,119 --> 01:55:30,320
>> So that's my last comments.

2985
01:55:30,320 --> 01:55:32,880
>> Can I just ask one follow-up question?

2986
01:55:32,880 --> 01:55:35,360
Are we planning on having a work session

2987
01:55:35,360 --> 01:55:40,320
on culinary water anytime soon? Okay.

2988
01:55:40,320 --> 01:55:44,870
>> Yes.

2989
01:55:44,880 --> 01:55:46,400
same thing. If you can send me your

2990
01:55:46,400 --> 01:55:48,080
questions, email me your questions on

2991
01:55:48,080 --> 01:55:51,199
culinary and where your concerns are,

2992
01:55:51,199 --> 01:55:51,840
>> that would be.

2993
01:55:51,840 --> 01:55:54,560
>> And I will one last thing is I I I will

2994
01:55:54,560 --> 01:55:56,800
reiterate that I

2995
01:55:56,800 --> 01:55:59,440
since this is an enterprise product, it

2996
01:55:59,440 --> 01:56:00,800
should be funded through enterprise

2997
01:56:00,800 --> 01:56:02,400
funds as recommended by staff.

2998
01:56:02,400 --> 01:56:04,800
>> Yeah. I'll entertain a motion to

2999
01:56:04,800 --> 01:56:06,800
adjurnn.

3000
01:56:06,800 --> 01:56:07,920
>> I'll move to adjurnn.

3001
01:56:07,920 --> 01:56:09,360
>> A second.

3002
01:56:09,360 --> 01:56:11,280
>> All in favor? I

3003
01:56:11,280 --> 01:56:12,239
>> I

3004
01:56:12,239 --> 01:56:14,080
>> there's there's a meeting gathering in

3005
01:56:14,080 --> 01:56:16,800
the conference chambers.