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Okay. I'd like to call to order city

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council meeting for July 14th, 2026.

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We'll start with a roll call starting

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from Councilwoman Blackwell.

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>> Sarah Blackwell present.

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» Chrissy Hammond present.

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>> Andrew Young present.

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>> Jessica Sme present.

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>> Okay, we'll have a prayer offered by

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Councilwoman Blackwell followed by the

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pledge led by Councilman Y. Our dear

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father in heaven, we are grateful for

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this beautiful day and for the

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opportunity we have to be gathered

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together and as a community and as

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friends and um we're grateful for this

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wonderful city and for the beautiful

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nature that surrounds us. We're grateful

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for laws and we're grateful for the

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freedom that we enjoy and for those who

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have um given so much for us to enjoy

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that freedom. We pray that we may honor

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those who have fought for us and on our

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behalf through our actions. And we pray

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this night that we might be kind and

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respectful, that we might be thoughtful

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and considerate. And please help us to

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um think clearly and logically and

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address the needs of the residents of

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this of Alpine. And and we say these

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things in the name of Jesus Christ.

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Amen.

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>> Amen.

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>> That was beautiful. All arise for the

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pledge.

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Repeat after me.

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>> I pledge algiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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>> Thank you.

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» Okay. Um,

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are there any questions regarding the

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approval of the minutes from our

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previous June meetings?

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I don't have any questions.

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>> If not, I'll entertain a motion.

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» I can do it. I I'll make a motion to

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approve the minutes from June 9th and

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June 23rd city council meetings and the

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June 30th work session.

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>> Is there a second? I'll second. It's

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been moved by Councilman Young, seconded

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by Councilwoman Blackwell.

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Any questions to the motion? Not. Let's

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proceed with a roll call vote. Sir

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Blackwell, yes. Chrissy Henman, yes.

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>> Andrew Young, yes.

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>> Jessica Smeuan, yes.

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>> Okay, motion passes. Um, I have several

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um comment cards. Um, anything from city

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staff salaries,

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looks like the commercial development.

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are on the agenda, but not public

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hearings. And for the sake of time, I

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appreciate everyone coming out here and

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um expressing their support, but for the

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sake of time, we are not going to have

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the public comment for that. But we do

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is it Jenny and Lori Bidder?

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>> Jerry, sorry, sorry, sorry. Jerry, Jerry

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and Lori Bidder to um if you would like

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to step up and um just give your um

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street name and you have three minutes

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to make a comment

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>> because that item is not on the agenda

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at least what you

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>> while Lor's coming up. I'll just kind of

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start out. So like many other I live on

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uh we live on Alpine Drive and uh 1040

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East Alpine Drive. Uh like many cities

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along the Wasatch front, we've been

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involved in working on the raccoon

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population reduction. Many cities are

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working on this and we've seen that on

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their websites and we have a a

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committee. Lori's been mostly the chair

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of that and um we have a lot of people

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are on board about reducing that. a lot

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of trapping and we even have some

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assistance from uh city council getting

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those trapped raccoons down to the

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animal shelter. So, we've been working

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on an idea to reduce habitat uh which

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they live in the storm drains quite

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extensively. That's where the raccoons

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near our house all live. It's in the in

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the storm drains. And uh we have seen

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one other city, California, that had a

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bar across where the raccoons couldn't

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get in the storm drain. And we've been

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working on some alternative ideas. We

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had a a brief discussion before this

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meeting, including u Shane Sorenson

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joined us and he had some some ideas for

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maybe alternative ideas for a bar that

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you could put on and be even removable.

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it would not uh be damaging at all to

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the storm drain. But we have uh been

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talking about in discussion about a

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pilot project on our street, Alpine

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Drive. Lori has talked to all the

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neighbors and everybody but one see who

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she hadn't talked to yet. Everybody

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she's talked to is on board.

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>> Every single one of them were fully in

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support and very excited about putting

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bars in our storm drains to keep the

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raccoons from coming up. there's been a

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great deal of damage to homes and

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property and animals because of the

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raccoons. So,

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>> so that's kind of a nutshell of what

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we're working on and still in process

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trying to get a design that I think the [clears throat]

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city count couns the city people we're

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working with are happy to go forward

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with to do a pilot project. We have uh

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some talked to one welder but it may not

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even be a welding. maybe attaching a bar

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with a screw. That was the latest idea.

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So, anything else? Any questions quickly

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>> It's really not a con.

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>> We're not. Yes, I was just going to say

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that. I just thank you and I hope to one

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day be a full member of your committee.

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>> Oh, and I love how you put not just

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raccoons, blasted raccoons. [laughter]

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do really appreciate.

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>> We got four today. Four today. Thank

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you. So I will just make um so in lie of

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um the public comment that was not I'm

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sorry you guys can go ahead and sit

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down. I just I did wanted to um we'll

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>> there were um Steve Burroughs and

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Sullivan Love that wanted to talk about

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um city staff and then we have Spencer

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Man, Emily Mann and Linda

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Mapfelt. I hope I did not slaughter your

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name that wanted to talk about the

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commercial sites and um I appreciate you

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guys attending. um if you wanted to make

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comments in the future if you look um we

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do send out if you sign up for notices

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that we do send out our agendas so you

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can always tell and it's also on our

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social media on um Instagram on Facebook

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if you ever want to know what city

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council is talking about and if it's not

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a public hearing you are more than

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welcome to email all the city council

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people in advance I know um all or most

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of you will read them and will come to

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the meeting prepared and we'll keep that

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in mind. Um, so thank you for taking the

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time to fill these out. We are going to

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move on with um public comment. I'm

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sorry, we're past public comment. We'll

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>> All right. So, brief financial report.

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but Dave usually doesn't provide us the

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normal uh financial report right after

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the end of the month because it kind of

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gives a false uh picture of the end of

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year. Um, so we still have invoices

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coming in that are dated June and so

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those will all be reconciled and then

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we'll have a a final year end that will

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be more accurate. Um, but I did uh want

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to share the update on the sales tax

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revenue. Um, so with our last allocation

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and we still have a couple allocations

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left, um, we're uh plus 3.99%

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finishing up uh projects and expenses

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from FY26. At the same time, we're

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year. Um, so any questions?

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» Uh, Shane, we we had that great meeting

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with the the sales tax person. Who who

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was there? There was a couple of us

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>> Just you. Okay. Thank you for setting

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that up. Um what what do you attribute

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the growth to because we're not we're

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not changing rates or has the state

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change rates uh to to bring them up a

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little or is people just spending more?

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>> which helps our park tax? It helps our

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sales tax. It helps other things. Uh our

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fifth fifth.

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>> What was the comment she said that would

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be helpful for everyone to know in their

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spending so that they did it in such a

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way where it landed here? It was about

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I'm I'm sorry. It was something about

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the state you bought it in. Either the

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tax ends up in Alpine or it ends up in

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Washington, wherever the Amazon

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warehouse is. Do do you recall what I'm

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>> Yes, I I will do the best of my memory

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>> because I didn't know it. and it helps

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us bring the revenue here

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>> but we are going to be doing a deep dive

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into revenue in two weeks and so we can

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um quote that because at this point

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we're using my memory [snorts] but

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basically what happened is in 2018 there

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is a decision by the Supreme Court

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called the Wayfair decision and it

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tracked it said that could you would get

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intrastate no interstate sales tax so if

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it shipped from outside of Utah and into

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our homes versus an Amazon or even a

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Walmart order or Home Depot, whatever.

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it gets attributed to our zip code,

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which is all of Alpine. And then if it's

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in the state, so say it ships from um

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West Jordan or Logan, then the state

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that it um because it's inside the

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state, we get get to control our rules

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in the state of Utah. And so it gets

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attributed to the point of shipment and

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that my memory is not totally off.

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>> Well, this is good because most people

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don't know that.

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>> Anyway, so if it comes from inside the

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state, then it goes to the the place

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that it that it like left the warehouse,

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>> It goes to West Jordan.

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>> So we want to buy out of state. We can't

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always control that, but that is um and

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then we will again we'll have more data

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next week or in two weeks. Okay. But um

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com relative to some of our um

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neighboring cities, we have a much

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higher proportion of um sales from

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online or sales tax from online sales.

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[clears throat] And that's we we'll look

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at the facts in two weeks. That's just a

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teaser. And it really takes our last

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sales tax allocation for the fiscal year

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will come around August 20th. So it

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really takes until about then to totally

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finish out uh the fiscal year.

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>> we're still ways out.

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>> Okay. Any other questions? Okay. Thank

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you, Shane. Um we did have a public

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hearing scheduled for this sales tax

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revenue bond. Um but we had to postpone

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it to August 25th because the state has

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certain requirements about noticing

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public hearings regarding bonds and

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there was one site that um we were not

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made aware that we had to post. So we

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have to wait um 30 days from posting it.

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So it's going to be on August 28th for

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the sales tax revenue bond which is for

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the fire station and the um future

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community center. Okay. So then we'll

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move on to action items. Um

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we are on item A which is consider

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approval for the FY 2027 wage increase

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for city staff.

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Do you want me to introduce this mayor?

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Okay. So we included a 5% uh placeholder

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for wage increases in our uh fiscal year

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2027

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uh tenative budget. when the final

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budget was presented

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and after considering uh the increases

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in other cities um the mayor proposed a

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4.2%

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increase uh based on the CPI and then a

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merit bonus of8%.

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Um, at the same meeting, uh, the council

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approved the fiscal year 2027 budget,

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but took all wage increases and a staff

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position out of that budget.

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Um, and then said that we needed to hold

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a work session by June 30th to discuss

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wages. So that uh work session was held

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on June 30th

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um on compensation.

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Um and then just kind of along with this

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um with anything that gets added back

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into the budget, we'll have to have a

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public hearing and do a budget amendment

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um because of the way the budget was

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approved. So once we have that

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information um we can schedule that

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public hearing um redo the budget and

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bring that back for approval.

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» So if we um to understand the process if

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we make a motion to approve a percentage

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um that then we'll have to have a a

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public hearing and approve the entire

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budget from like not just the line item

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but the entire budget. It's it's the

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addition, but then we have to go and add

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everything back into our billing

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software because we've already had to

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put that in because we've got expenses

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coming in for FY27

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already and there's already been one

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payroll. Um, and so we'll have to go

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make those corrections.

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>> But there there'll be another public

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hearing.

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>> You have to have a public hearing on a

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budget amendment. Yes.

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>> Okay. Okay. And

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>> you know how in our last meeting we did

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a budget amendment on the and it just

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had three line items that were journal

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entries. Is that what you're talking

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about?

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>> Well, this will be multiple because it's

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it goes through our entire budget

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through every fund

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>> because the way our wages are allocated.

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So, it won't be a single lump sum item.

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There will be multiple line items um

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because it hits every every almost every

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section of the general fund and every uh utility fund.

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>> I see.

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>> Yeah. Thank you for doing that. I know

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that was a lot of work to go back and do

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that. I think we've learned an important

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lesson that it's not as Yeah, it's it's

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a laborious process to um make

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amendments to the budget that affect

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more than one line item

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>> for sure.

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>> Do you guys have any questions?

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Um I don't have so much like questions

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as I do feedback and um I in our last

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discussion I was curious you know we're

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talking about compensation for employees

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without understanding what the employees

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value. So I wanted to understand that a

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little bit better. So I sent them like a

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very basic survey which I come to find

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out like it might have been better to

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just like phone call one-on-one but it

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still was informative. And the employees

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also um responded to my email with a

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little um PowerPoint presentation. I

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don't know if this boss will bring that

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up. Yeah. So, this is um the first page

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just talks about some of the questions

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that I asked them. I mean, I'm new to

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council, so trying to understand how,

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you know, we can all work together since

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we're all on the same team. Like, why

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have they chosen to work here? What

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entices someone to work for Alpine to

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work in the public sector versus the

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private? what keeps them here. Um, some

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of our benefits, our healthc care

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benefits have increased in cost. So,

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when looking at total compensation

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packages, you know, we're kind of

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evaluating that and understanding what

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they value. Um,

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and then, um, I like that they included

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this, the budget has always been

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balanced. Um, and it's true, the

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investing in our city's employee is

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investment, um, in our quality of

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service. So, um, just recognizing that,

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you know, that's what helps our city

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function and run. Um, and some of the

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things that maybe we don't always

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realize as as residents or even as

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council members is everything that they do. So, they, you know, obvious

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they gave us an example and listed some

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things that they do. And I know that

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this list goes beyond these these bullet

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points right here. Um, and I know all on

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a daily and hourly basis. I I know that

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I've received emails from people at

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11:30 at night and as early as 6:00 a.m.

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Um I know that Greg and James are out

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checking water at 700 p.m. during the

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summer and sometimes that means that

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they miss time with their family. So um

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appreciate the work that they do and the

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time that they sacrifice. Um, and then

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also the amount of knowledge. Um, just

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realizing how many of our res our

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employees have been here for a long

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time. I mean, I think that says a lot

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about

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um, them. It says a lot about working

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here. And,

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um, I'm just I'm just I'm really

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grateful that they're willing to just

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take on added added jobs, added

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assignments, and they're hard workers.

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Um,

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and this is one of the things that I

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felt like I gained a better

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understanding of is just, you know, um,

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talking to employees one-on-one and even

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through the survey is just understanding

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like they there's many reasons why they

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work here and why they stay here. It's

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not just about the pay. It's not just

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about the the compensate the um, health

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benefits or other benefits. It's the

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it's it's a community. it's a family.

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It's it goes beyond that. So that was

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really helpful to understand. Um

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and then yes, that kind of just

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reiterizes um re-emphasizes what I was

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trying to express is um yes, they might

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not be like talking to one one employee

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who could have made more money elsewhere

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chose to work here because of maybe the

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tasks and also some of the benefits. So

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helping understanding those things has

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helped us I feel like as as council

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members when we're looking at you know

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compensation. Um

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and this is true alpine cities don't

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really have a ton of opportunity for

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upward advancement. So um just something

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to keep in mind. Um,

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I'll let you read some of those, but

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yeah.

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Anyway, um, just I would like to make

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note of that starred point at the

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bottom.

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And really, I think the success of the

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city depends on who's on the front lines

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interacting with staff or interacting

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with the residents. And um and I have

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found that they they do a good job um

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being considerate and being respectful

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to to the residents of Alpine. Um I I

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did, if it's okay, Kaden, can you just

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throw up those other results of that

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survey?

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Um so these are the questions. I asked

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five questions. How would you rate

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working at Alpine City? Most of them

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said, "I like my job, but I love the

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weekends more." One was willing to work

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here for free. So, that says something.

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[laughter]

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Um,

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what helped you make the decision to

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work for the city? This one was varied.

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Um, which is also really great feedback.

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You know, [snorts] it's not just one

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thing. So, when we're considering

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compensation, it's good to take in a

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holistic approach.

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Um, and then what keeps you here? Um,

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this is where I realize like maybe the

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survey isn't the best way to get as much

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feedback as I want. I did send the other

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responses to the council members, but I

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won't go over all of those right now

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just for sake of time. Um, and then I

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asked about

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healthc care benefits versus higher

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salary.

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Um, you can see the results there. again

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sent the other responses to the rest of

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the council and then just curious about

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performance-based bonuses. Um just you

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can see the the results there. So

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anyway, I just thought that would be

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helpful to understand what the what the

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employees value and why they're here and

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why they love working here. So um and I

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am grateful that they do their job. So

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thank you. I don't have any other

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questions or comments.

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my turn. I do have some comments. Um,

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and at at the end I do have a motion

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that we've um sort of been working on to

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accomplish many things. So, I think um

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it would be best So, do we just do we

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want to have everyone comment and then I make a motion or would you like me to

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put forth the motion? And I'm asking

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this as a just if you have a motion, why

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don't you put forth a motion and you can

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discuss

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>> and then we can continue around. I think

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that would I I I agree that would be the

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most simple, so I'll do it. I just

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didn't want to jump the gun if someone

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disagrees. Okay. So, um thank you public

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for being here without a public hearing.

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We don't get a chance to hear from you,

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but we did um we did in our last

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meeting. So, um, the special study

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session was open to the public and as

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the minutes have been published and

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approved tonight for June 30th, that

538
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,559
would be interesting for you to read

539
00:22:42,559 --> 00:22:44,480
since um, that was a lot of the

540
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,000
discussion that will not be happening

541
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,480
tonight did happen in the study session.

542
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,559
And it allowed time for staff and

543
00:22:50,559 --> 00:22:52,159
management and the mayor and the council

544
00:22:52,159 --> 00:22:55,200
to review the information and ask um,

545
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,919
follow-up questions. It also allowed for

546
00:22:57,919 --> 00:23:00,000
clarification on some points that were

547
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:04,080
made and um dialogue among all the

548
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,000
council.

549
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,159
Since then, as Sarah has highlighted,

550
00:23:08,159 --> 00:23:10,000
we've had some feedback directly from

551
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,120
our staff, which actually is very much

552
00:23:13,120 --> 00:23:15,039
appreciated and helps us gain more

553
00:23:15,039 --> 00:23:17,760
insight. Um

554
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,280
most of all, personally being an

555
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,440
accountant, I do appreciate the extra

556
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,320
time and effort that it took to gather

557
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:28,799
all the data. Um, and then, um, as Shane

558
00:23:28,799 --> 00:23:31,679
has mentioned, it's going to be a a

559
00:23:31,679 --> 00:23:35,280
tedious and laborious process to run any

560
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:36,880
changes through the budget that affects

561
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,880
our staff because it hits so many line

562
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,679
items of our budget. And so that tells

563
00:23:41,679 --> 00:23:44,080
you in a way a message to all of us how

564
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,080
important our staff is. They affect

565
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,159
every department. They affect nearly

566
00:23:48,159 --> 00:23:50,640
every line of our budget. So our staff

567
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,240
makes are the ones that make things

568
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:57,039
happen around here. Um so the in an

569
00:23:57,039 --> 00:24:00,880
effort to reduce um more work um we

570
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,960
wanted to get this uh final

571
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,760
motion and raises on the table and voted

572
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,760
on tonight so then we can just move

573
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,640
forward and um like there will be

574
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,640
retroactive pay and all of those extra

575
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,360
calculations is a big headache. We just

576
00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:19,520
want to minimize any more headache on

577
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,799
the p part of our staff. Um but we do

578
00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:24,960
appreciate the extra time to process all

579
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,600
the information that was shared. Um in

580
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,679
addition, we had discussions and Sarah

581
00:24:29,679 --> 00:24:32,240
highlighted this about benefits and with

582
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,720
we did not pull any benefit costs off

583
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,120
the table or ask um employees to share

584
00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:39,600
benefits at this time. So in total there

585
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,400
was a 50 thou $58,000 increase in

586
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,279
benefits um this past year. And I just

587
00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:47,520
wanted to um highlight that. And that

588
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:48,960
was me just going through the

589
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,799
spreadsheet that staff provided, which

590
00:24:50,799 --> 00:24:54,400
was Shane. Um, all right. So, the

591
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,559
proposal then is to shift a little bit

592
00:24:56,559 --> 00:25:00,000
in our strategy um regarding the

593
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,600
full-time position because uh the when

594
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,120
we looked at the numbers, the city

595
00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:09,200
planner um the salary was going to be at

596
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,120
a beginning range and then the benefits

597
00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:12,880
were going to be actually like one-third

598
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,520
of the total cost. And so we thought if

599
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,480
we hired seasoned professionals as

600
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,039
consultants, we may be able to stretch

601
00:25:21,039 --> 00:25:24,559
our $100,000 into um more than one area

602
00:25:24,559 --> 00:25:27,600
of just city planning, but also consider

603
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,960
hiring a finance um position and um

604
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:35,520
maybe a supplemental HR if if needed. So

605
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:39,120
with that introduction, I make a motion

606
00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:42,159
that number and here's Okay, Deian's

607
00:25:42,159 --> 00:25:46,000
listening. You can go at a casual pace.

608
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:52,400
>> That's right. Um, so the new hire, we would replace the

609
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,559
salary and benefits requested for a

610
00:25:54,559 --> 00:25:58,559
full-time position with a $100,000

611
00:25:58,559 --> 00:26:00,880
allocation for professional consulting

612
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,159
related to fin planning, finance, andor

613
00:26:04,159 --> 00:26:07,679
other consulting services including HR.

614
00:26:07,679 --> 00:26:11,360
That was one. Two, the staff raises

615
00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:14,720
would be 4% split between a 2% cola

616
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,679
that's straight across to every employee

617
00:26:17,679 --> 00:26:21,279
and 2% equity allocation per management

618
00:26:21,279 --> 00:26:24,240
discretion based on base salary as of

619
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,919
June 30th, 2026 and effective June f

620
00:26:27,919 --> 00:26:32,159
July 1st, which end of motion, but as a

621
00:26:32,159 --> 00:26:34,480
commentary would mean there's back pay

622
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,840
that's owed. Okay. In addition, this is

623
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,039
three 1% bonus upon completion of

624
00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:43,200
performance review per Alpine City

625
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,240
personnel policy and procedure manual

626
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,520
before the end of fiscal year 2027. So

627
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,760
in total, if you added that up together,

628
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,080
that's a 2% COLA, a 2% equity

629
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,760
allocation, and a 1% bonus. So it is

630
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,320
close almost exactly where we started at

631
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,279
the 5% placeholder with a few conditions

632
00:27:03,279 --> 00:27:05,600
as I've stated.

633
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,480
Is there a second? Or Carla, I jumped

634
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,440
the gun. I'm done. If there's a second.

635
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:15,840
>> Is Is there a second?

636
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:16,799
>> I'll second.

637
00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:18,400
>> Okay. It's been moved by Councilwoman

638
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,960
Hanaman, seconded by Councilwoman

639
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,230
Blackwell.

640
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:25,679
» Okay. Discussion. Do you want to start,

641
00:27:25,679 --> 00:27:26,720
Andrew?

642
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,919
>> Uh, yeah. So, uh, thanks for doing all

643
00:27:29,919 --> 00:27:33,919
that work. Um

644
00:27:33,919 --> 00:27:36,320
the

645
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,640
>> yeah yeah sorry I'm thinking uh it's

646
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:43,430
been busy the um

647
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,080
most of the so there's two questions and

648
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,799
this has been clarified once but still

649
00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:51,039
not clarified. We are approving right

650
00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:53,679
now the budget amount but we do not

651
00:27:53,679 --> 00:27:56,960
approve the actual raises per employee

652
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:58,720
and this is not for the executive

653
00:27:58,720 --> 00:27:59,600
employees.

654
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:00,080
>> Correct.

655
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,919
>> Okay. All right. They sure don't make

656
00:28:01,919 --> 00:28:04,640
this non-confusing.

657
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,080
Um, and most of our employees are under

658
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,200
the uh median benchmark, right?

659
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:12,320
>> Correct.

660
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,000
>> Right.

661
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,640
The So, I see no problem with this. Um,

662
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,799
and I love the employees. Oh my gosh,

663
00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:20,720
look at that stare. [laughter] I

664
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,364
disconnected.

665
00:28:22,364 --> 00:28:23,760
[clears throat] That was good, Landon.

666
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,840
Uh, really good. So, I love the

667
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,440
employees. I love that most of them are

668
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,200
Alpine residents. Um, the only thing I

669
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,720
have always been after is for uh there

670
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,000
to be some sort of connection based on

671
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,559
resident asks or resident concerns or

672
00:28:40,559 --> 00:28:43,679
resident um petitions.

673
00:28:43,679 --> 00:28:45,760
Now, we have a website that does that.

674
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,840
That's where we voice our concerns and

675
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,440
things.

676
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,600
How do we go about adding something like

677
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,279
that other than performance reviews

678
00:28:55,279 --> 00:28:57,520
where we have some sort of metric for

679
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,039
those extra bonuses and things that

680
00:28:59,039 --> 00:29:02,320
she's adding on where we can have a

681
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,039
literal data driven uh

682
00:29:05,039 --> 00:29:07,120
>> right the list? How do we go about

683
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:08,799
adding something like that's all

684
00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:11,039
>> that's not something for council

685
00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:14,159
according to state law. Your purview

686
00:29:14,159 --> 00:29:16,880
specifically is only for the executive

687
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,919
staff in our small staff. That is our

688
00:29:19,919 --> 00:29:21,760
city administrator and the assistant

689
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,399
city administrator. Rest of the staff

690
00:29:24,399 --> 00:29:26,320
which you will be voting on now and that

691
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,440
the motion was made on they are all

692
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,840
under the executive staff.

693
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:32,240
>> Right?

694
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,600
>> So um you can always make suggestions

695
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,720
but they are the executive staff and

696
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,200
they are the ones that manage their

697
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,080
staff. It is not the job of city council

698
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:45,600
to manage staff.

699
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:46,399
>> Right. Right.

700
00:29:46,399 --> 00:29:48,720
>> Your body is the your function is the

701
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:49,760
legislative.

702
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:50,159
>> I know.

703
00:29:50,159 --> 00:29:51,279
>> Legislative body. I wish we would do

704
00:29:51,279 --> 00:29:51,600
that.

705
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:52,720
>> Not micromanaging.

706
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,399
>> Make ordinances and change them. It's

707
00:29:54,399 --> 00:29:58,720
tough. Uh so uh

708
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,120
>> I guess maybe a question for council is

709
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,279
what do you what do you like to uh

710
00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:05,360
>> per my motion? Can I just address that

711
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:06,799
Carla? Would that mayor would that be

712
00:30:06,799 --> 00:30:09,120
okay? per my motion is to follow our

713
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,559
personnel policy, right? And we we would

714
00:30:12,559 --> 00:30:14,000
have the opportunity to look at the

715
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,000
personnel policy and make an adjustment

716
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,440
there. That would be the proper place

717
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,159
to be implemented again as as our mayor

718
00:30:22,159 --> 00:30:25,520
has said. So if if we need to revisit a

719
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,919
policy, that's our

720
00:30:27,919 --> 00:30:29,440
>> right wheelhouse. So, so in the past,

721
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:30,559
because you guys have done this a lot,

722
00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:33,520
Jessica and several people, um, and

723
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:37,360
mayor and Chrissy, uh, what do you like

724
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,600
to base your decision off of when you're

725
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,480
deciding whether to make a raise or not?

726
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,520
Just personal kind of opinion, personal

727
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,279
>> No, it's the numbers that have been

728
00:30:47,279 --> 00:30:50,159
thrown around are based on number one,

729
00:30:50,159 --> 00:30:51,840
you know, where our salaries are and

730
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,600
what other cities are doing. The main

731
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,159
purpose is for retention, right? We feel

732
00:30:56,159 --> 00:30:57,360
that [clears throat] we have a very good

733
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,279
and competent staff

734
00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:02,240
>> and what do we do to be able to keep

735
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:03,679
them here? I think it said we had what

736
00:31:03,679 --> 00:31:06,720
256 years of institutional knowledge

737
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,520
among our staff members that is an

738
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,760
intangible um there's an intangible

739
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,760
value to that. There's so many things

740
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,080
that come up and um you know you have

741
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,159
somebody new who might be super smart

742
00:31:18,159 --> 00:31:20,399
and comes with a lot of credentials but

743
00:31:20,399 --> 00:31:22,240
they don't have that institutional

744
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,559
knowledge. They don't understand

745
00:31:24,559 --> 00:31:26,559
where the weaknesses might be in our

746
00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:28,080
system. They don't understand when

747
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:28,640
there's this

748
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,640
>> they don't know where the trails are.

749
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:31,919
>> They don't know. They don't know our

750
00:31:31,919 --> 00:31:34,960
trail system. I know. I understand. Um

751
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,159
Okay. Uh would the staff when we ask

752
00:31:38,159 --> 00:31:39,440
these are just questions we're

753
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,399
counseling. Would the staff like, do you

754
00:31:42,399 --> 00:31:46,240
think the staff would like a larger uh

755
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:51,200
ability to grow in their um bonuses and

756
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,960
their raises based on merit and things

757
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,960
that we can evaluate? Or do you think

758
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,399
that would be something they would frown

759
00:31:58,399 --> 00:32:00,159
on?

760
00:32:00,159 --> 00:32:02,880
>> And maybe I'll tell you what I've told

761
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,600
um a couple of members of council is

762
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:06,399
that

763
00:32:06,399 --> 00:32:10,000
>> our staff is so small. If anyone is a

764
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:15,760
slacker, it becomes very evident, very, evident because they work so

765
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,919
closely together. And I feel like I

766
00:32:17,919 --> 00:32:19,760
especially notice it when I'm in the

767
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,080
office that if somebody is either sick

768
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,039
or on vacation and because everyone's on

769
00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:26,799
hourly except for our executive staff

770
00:32:26,799 --> 00:32:28,559
that, you know, people are worried,

771
00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:30,000
they're conscientious like, "Oh, I don't

772
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,360
want to go over on my hours, but it's

773
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,039
hard to fill in for this person and do

774
00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:35,200
my job." Yeah. and that, you know, it's

775
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,039
amazing that they're cross-trained in

776
00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:40,399
several jobs as it is. And so for me, I

777
00:32:40,399 --> 00:32:41,519
feel like, you know, you're saying you

778
00:32:41,519 --> 00:32:43,919
wanted to be on merit, whe you know,

779
00:32:43,919 --> 00:32:46,320
based on I feel like,

780
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,320
>> you know, that's you guys aren't here

781
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:49,919
all the time and neither are the

782
00:32:49,919 --> 00:32:52,640
residents. That's why we have

783
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:53,919
>> an executive

784
00:32:53,919 --> 00:32:55,679
>> and that's our city administrator,

785
00:32:55,679 --> 00:32:56,000
right?

786
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,440
>> That's his job.

787
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:58,960
>> Okay. So, sorry, the questions, you

788
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,080
might be thinking the questions are

789
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,080
coming from a different motive or place

790
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,399
than they are. the the the all I'm

791
00:33:04,399 --> 00:33:06,480
trying to achieve and I see a lot of the

792
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,120
um staff here. All I'm trying to achieve

793
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,640
is something that became very apparent

794
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,200
while running and that was that the city

795
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:16,960
was over here and the residents were

796
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,600
over here. Okay, now obviously there's a

797
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,919
little bit of overlap. Okay, we can find

798
00:33:21,919 --> 00:33:24,080
examples of both but what the residents

799
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,960
would be saying to me and telling me was

800
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,399
so different than what the city was

801
00:33:30,399 --> 00:33:32,720
prioritizing. It was like, and it

802
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,159
doesn't necessarily mean that was one

803
00:33:34,159 --> 00:33:36,240
was way really expensive and one was

804
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,080
not. It was just they were different.

805
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,240
They were on different paths. So the

806
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:41,840
goal is not to say if anyone's a

807
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,000
slacker. No one's going to say that.

808
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:44,559
What

809
00:33:44,559 --> 00:33:47,200
>> Andrew, what I need from you is it's on

810
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:48,960
the motion itself. You heard what the

811
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,600
motion is. What is your opinion on the

812
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,120
motion if you have anything to say? If

813
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:54,399
not, let's move on.

814
00:33:54,399 --> 00:33:55,840
>> Well, mayor, you know, she did it a

815
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,039
little bit different where it was like

816
00:33:57,039 --> 00:33:58,399
kind of before we were able to chat. So

817
00:33:58,399 --> 00:34:00,080
I I'll just end with this, okay? And

818
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,360
that is though I don't see any problems

819
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,159
with this. My hope and what I'm trying

820
00:34:04,159 --> 00:34:06,000
to work for and what I'm after and what

821
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,399
I think will be really good for Alpine

822
00:34:08,399 --> 00:34:10,480
is not to say is someone slacking or

823
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,520
not, is someone worth 5% a year or not?

824
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:18,079
but how much we can align the residents

825
00:34:18,079 --> 00:34:19,679
day-to-day pains that they're

826
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:21,599
experiencing or the problems that

827
00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:26,800
they're trying to get addressed that our city is solvable and how much

828
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,320
that's aligned with the actual

829
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,879
priorities and money that we spend. If

830
00:34:30,879 --> 00:34:34,399
we can line that up so when I ask staff

831
00:34:34,399 --> 00:34:37,119
when I ask them, hey, these residents

832
00:34:37,119 --> 00:34:39,599
are on me for this. They think I'm doing

833
00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:41,839
it. They think I'm the one who goes and

834
00:34:41,839 --> 00:34:44,960
fixes this thing. I pass it on to staff

835
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,399
and then there's like this big

836
00:34:46,399 --> 00:34:48,240
disconnect. This is not a priority or

837
00:34:48,240 --> 00:34:49,440
this is not something we do.

838
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,679
>> And I understand that that's a totally

839
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:54,000
different conversation right now if

840
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,839
we're going to follow the procedure.

841
00:34:55,839 --> 00:34:58,079
Your comments need to address the

842
00:34:58,079 --> 00:34:58,720
motion.

843
00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:01,440
>> Well, so okay. So

844
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:02,960
>> about the impact on our budget.

845
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,400
>> Right. Right. I know. I know.

846
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,400
>> And because this is part of our budget.

847
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,400
That's how it's on the table. So, what

848
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,160
I'm trying to do is in the motion, I'm

849
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,640
trying to see if there's any way we can

850
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:13,359
bridge that.

851
00:35:13,359 --> 00:35:15,839
>> No, are you asking for an amendment on

852
00:35:15,839 --> 00:35:17,599
the motion? Is that what you're ask? If

853
00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:19,760
not, let's stick to the motion, right?

854
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,839
The comment is on the motion itself. If

855
00:35:21,839 --> 00:35:23,280
you don't want it down a bit, we can

856
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:24,880
tone it down a bit. We're discussing,

857
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,000
you know,

858
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,000
>> you're always talking about cost. You

859
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,400
have to know what is going on with our

860
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,640
legal bills and our overtime on staff

861
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,560
because our meetings are literally twice

862
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,119
as long as they were all last year. and

863
00:35:37,119 --> 00:35:39,440
our cost is skyrocketing. So, in the

864
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,079
interest of saying taxpayer dollars

865
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:44,560
>> in probably just in the month of

866
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,040
January, just in our legal fees alone,

867
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:48,480
that would have covered what I was

868
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,119
asking for as far as increases for our

869
00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:53,359
executive staff. And then I think from

870
00:35:53,359 --> 00:35:56,079
February to now, the increases in just

871
00:35:56,079 --> 00:35:58,320
our legal fees would have covered raises

872
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,960
that we asked for for the entire staff.

873
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,520
So, I'm sorry if I if you feel like I'm

874
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,280
being unjust, but [clears throat] I am

875
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,800
trying to keep council on task and do

876
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,440
things in a timely and just manner and

877
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,680
to be able to cover everything so we can

878
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,640
do the business of the city. I get it.

879
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,800
You have concerns, but this is a totally

880
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,359
different conversation that I want to

881
00:36:21,359 --> 00:36:23,119
have. You can put it on as an agenda

882
00:36:23,119 --> 00:36:26,000
item. You know what that process is,

883
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,280
>> but this is not the time right now. It's

884
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,280
to address the motion that's on the

885
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,200
table. Not on the table.

886
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,230
>> Andrew,

887
00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:39,990
[applause]

888
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,320
» I'm I'm happy to send you the responses

889
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,079
from that question about performance

890
00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:47,920
evaluations from the staff. That might answer that if you'd like.

891
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,119
>> Thank you. Okay.

892
00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:50,480
>> So, do you have any comments regarding

893
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,079
the motion itself?

894
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:53,920
>> Well, it was just those and I think for

895
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,359
the record, you just spoke longer than I

896
00:36:55,359 --> 00:36:56,640
did. So,

897
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,800
>> I don't think so. Jessica, do you have

898
00:36:58,800 --> 00:36:59,440
any comments?

899
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:03,760
>> So, just regarding the motion, um,

900
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,920
would you consider Well, I I do want to

901
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,599
give a little bit of framework as to why

902
00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:09,200
we got here, but are you saying we can't

903
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:10,240
have that conversation?

904
00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:12,160
>> No, there's a motion on the table and

905
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,079
right now the discussion is the motion.

906
00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:15,280
>> Okay. Regarding the motion,

907
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,560
>> so relating to the motion, we did find

908
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,800
out through the study that quite a bit

909
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,680
of our staff members are substantially

910
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,480
underpaid from what market value is. And

911
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,960
so number two, staff raises of a 4% 2%

912
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,839
cola and then the 2% split for the

913
00:37:33,839 --> 00:37:36,079
remainder of staff. I want to add more

914
00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:39,280
clarity in that because um I would like

915
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,320
to amend the motion to include an

916
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:46,240
additional average salary increase of 2%

917
00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:49,119
for a fiscal year 2027 marketbased

918
00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:51,520
salary adjustment for non-executive

919
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,480
positions with a specific percentage for

920
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,920
each position based upon at a minimum a

921
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,079
wage comparison of comparable positions

922
00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:03,520
among Utah Countyass cities as well as

923
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,520
Cedar Hills together with other

924
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,320
documented evidence of comparison equity

925
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,599
considerations per management discretion

926
00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:14,800
>> based on base salary as of June 30, 2026

927
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,640
effective July 1st, 2026 with the intent

928
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:19,040
um

929
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:20,640
>> so hold on just a sec. So is that an

930
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:21,839
amendment to the motion that you're

931
00:38:21,839 --> 00:38:22,560
proposing?

932
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:23,040
>> Yes.

933
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,119
>> Okay. Do you accept that amendment?

934
00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:25,760
>> No.

935
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,960
>> Okay. So,

936
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:29,760
anything else?

937
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,320
>> I could I could explain, but we'll just

938
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:33,280
drag it out.

939
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:34,480
>> Yeah. So,

940
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:34,960
>> okay.

941
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,440
>> So, I I just want to explain the

942
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,599
reasoning for that is so that there's

943
00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:43,520
some inequities of 30 to $40,000 and

944
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,760
there's some that are actually in our

945
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,480
low in our non-executive staff that are

946
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,200
paid not below market. And so,

947
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,440
>> so the wage study that we did was based

948
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,119
on not just their um their duties, but

949
00:38:57,119 --> 00:39:01,359
based on experience and comparable to um

950
00:39:01,359 --> 00:39:03,440
other cities within Utah County. And I

951
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,400
think adjoining cities I think was I

952
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,000
don't think was Draper in there and I

953
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,760
think um Bluell because

954
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,520
>> I understand but we're not adopting that

955
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,760
wage study to make um right

956
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,599
>> we're not adopting that wage study to

957
00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:18,400
determine legislative action and we're

958
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,240
asking as a council that we actually

959
00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:22,720
narrow the scope and compare like cities

960
00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:25,520
to our city. It would be like you trying

961
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,520
to get a market value for your home

962
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,800
based on every home in the state of Utah

963
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,359
compared to Tilla, compared to Park City

964
00:39:33,359 --> 00:39:36,400
and coming up with that value. So, we

965
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,280
need to base our increases, our staff

966
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:40,800
increases because we've been through

967
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,200
this whole process now. And it isn't

968
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,760
just council wanting to slow down things

969
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,839
or make it harder. We're wanting to make

970
00:39:47,839 --> 00:39:49,839
sure there's equity because we do

971
00:39:49,839 --> 00:39:52,320
appreciate our staff. And so when we see

972
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,240
that there's an inequity, we want to

973
00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:57,920
make sure that how we spend the taxpayer

974
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,160
dollars will level out some of those

975
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:01,119
inequities. I

976
00:40:01,119 --> 00:40:03,040
>> I think ga gathering the data would be

977
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,359
very time inensive and time is money.

978
00:40:05,359 --> 00:40:08,160
And I I just don't I'm not sure when I

979
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:09,839
was doing the calculations, we're only

980
00:40:09,839 --> 00:40:12,400
talking about among all the staff

981
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,320
$38,000

982
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,359
to allocate among everyone. So to create

983
00:40:17,359 --> 00:40:20,640
all that data to allocate $38,000, the

984
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,280
cost benefit ratio just doesn't equate

985
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,280
>> there. I think there's like five cities

986
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,119
in the fourth class and then Cedar Hill.

987
00:40:27,119 --> 00:40:28,640
So nevertheless, that's why I'm

988
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:29,440
rejecting it.

989
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:33,040
>> Can I ask one question? So if if we I'm

990
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,560
assuming Shane will determine who gets

991
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,800
what and he'll do a comparison like how

992
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,960
do what's the process if we don't follow

993
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:42,960
the amendment for that Jessica has just

994
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,720
addressed? Yeah, it's not as it's not as

995
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:49,520
easy to get the data as you think it is.

996
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,720
Um it it does take a lot of time, but we

997
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:53,920
would do something. I'd work with the

998
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,280
mayor on it and and work with her on

999
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,040
those allocations.

1000
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:00,880
>> I think I think the WOW study had that

1001
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,520
implementation tab and it went position

1002
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,160
by position. So I think that's one data

1003
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:07,680
point that we already have, we've

1004
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,240
already paid for. It's a starting point.

1005
00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:12,960
Like I'm just looking at the cost to

1006
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,400
allocate $38,000 is really high and like

1007
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,359
we said to just take our budget and

1008
00:41:19,359 --> 00:41:21,440
upload it again into the transparent

1009
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,839
website all of this work like we're

1010
00:41:23,839 --> 00:41:25,920
already adding to the cost of this

1011
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,680
change and so I just didn't see the

1012
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,560
value of it. Not that it isn't valuable

1013
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,240
but just I didn't see the value relative

1014
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:33,839
to what we're trying to accomplish.

1015
00:41:33,839 --> 00:41:35,359
>> Did you have any other questions or

1016
00:41:35,359 --> 00:41:38,000
comments? If not, let's proceed with the

1017
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,319
roll call vote starting with it was

1018
00:41:40,319 --> 00:41:42,640
Councilwoman Black, right? Yeah.

1019
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,800
>> Sarah Blackwell, yes. Chrissy Hanaman,

1020
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,713
yes.

1021
00:41:46,713 --> 00:41:46,960
[clears throat]

1022
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,640
>> Andrew Young, yes.

1023
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,160
>> Jessica Smean, yes.

1024
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:55,760
>> Okay, motion passes. Let's move on to

1025
00:41:55,760 --> 00:42:01,829
item two, which is the executive staff.

1026
00:42:01,839 --> 00:42:04,079
Okay, this this was before you three

1027
00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:07,119
weeks ago. Uh we held a public hearing

1028
00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:11,599
there um back in 24 2024 the legislature

1029
00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:13,359
passed

1030
00:42:13,359 --> 00:42:16,000
uh an amendment to the state code which

1031
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,440
requires any increase in compensation

1032
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,480
for executive municipal officers to have

1033
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,720
a public hearing prior to that being

1034
00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:26,960
implemented.

1035
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,920
Um, so we held that public hearing

1036
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,079
on

1037
00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:35,839
uh I don't I think the 23rd, June 23rd

1038
00:42:35,839 --> 00:42:38,960
uh kind of along with the budget.

1039
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,400
Um, so it was the same kind of thing. It

1040
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,720
was proposed in there at u 5%

1041
00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:49,119
but then kind of leading up to the

1042
00:42:49,119 --> 00:42:52,800
meeting it was proposed at uh 4.2% 2%

1043
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,520
with a 08%

1044
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,839
u

1045
00:42:57,839 --> 00:43:00,000
merit bonus.

1046
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,119
Um again, this was this was taken out of

1047
00:43:03,119 --> 00:43:05,359
the budget. It was not approved. Um so

1048
00:43:05,359 --> 00:43:07,280
we pulled that out, held the work

1049
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:11,119
session, and now we're bringing it back.

1050
00:43:11,119 --> 00:43:13,599
Um we weren't really told, hey, this is

1051
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:16,160
the amount. So that's why it's in here

1052
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,400
with the last proposal

1053
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,839
um from the mayor. And I will also note

1054
00:43:21,839 --> 00:43:25,040
that the URS contribution from the city

1055
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:29,680
went down uh 1% this year. Um I've got

1056
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:33,680
the rate sheet um that shows that. Um so

1057
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,680
even with some of the numbers that were

1058
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:39,200
mentioned before, the offset of the 1%

1059
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:43,520
would make would change those numbers to

1060
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,440
benefit the you know to have less

1061
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,720
expense than even what was mentioned um

1062
00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:50,800
to the city.

1063
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,480
So, um, this is required to be adopted

1064
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,079
by ordinance. So, there's an ordinance

1065
00:43:56,079 --> 00:44:00,160
here. Um, that, uh, whatever the council

1066
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,200
decides to do. Um, there'll just need to

1067
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,800
be an adjustment to the exhibit A. Um,

1068
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,160
so that ordinance can be on file.

1069
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,640
>> Can you go back to the motions? Thank

1070
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,440
you.

1071
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,430
Are there any questions?

1072
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,440
If not, is there a motion?

1073
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:22,960
>> I have the same question I had for the

1074
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,520
other one or it's very quick. Was there

1075
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:26,960
last time we were talking about the

1076
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,520
merit and stuff? Was there any you said

1077
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,560
uh that you couldn't uh write things

1078
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,240
down or you didn't want to like chart

1079
00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:36,800
things? Same kind of thing after kind of

1080
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,839
a uh

1081
00:44:39,839 --> 00:44:41,760
a feedback from different things that

1082
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,000
residents bring up that those are being

1083
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,119
addressed. That's that's still my number

1084
00:44:47,119 --> 00:44:49,119
one concern. What I've been trying part

1085
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:53,040
of uh if we get to it tonight, our staff

1086
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,119
communication, our city council

1087
00:44:55,119 --> 00:44:57,200
communication. Um I was going to update

1088
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:01,599
the council on the software that we uh

1089
00:45:01,599 --> 00:45:03,760
basically signed up for. It's going to

1090
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,160
cost us about it'll cost us 8,000 the

1091
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,640
first year and 6,000

1092
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,440
um for every year thereafter um that we

1093
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,440
can track these things and code

1094
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,359
compliance.

1095
00:45:15,359 --> 00:45:17,680
Um

1096
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,440
so

1097
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:20,640
>> okay that's good

1098
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,800
>> like a lot of things just get taken care

1099
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,720
of if if staff member has to document

1100
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:30,000
everything it will take time away from

1101
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,119
actually taking care of those tasks and

1102
00:45:33,119 --> 00:45:34,319
I don't know if that's what you were

1103
00:45:34,319 --> 00:45:35,200
remembering.

1104
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,319
>> Yeah. Yeah. Um, so I mean it's just like

1105
00:45:38,319 --> 00:45:40,960
I'm sure I'm sure Chief William, Chief,

1106
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,760
what what percent of your officer's time

1107
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:50,550
is paperwork?

1108
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,560
» So if you think of boots on the ground

1109
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,040
actually accomplishing things, it it

1110
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,200
does if we have to document every single

1111
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,400
thing, it will take time away from

1112
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,119
actually accomplishing those things.

1113
00:46:03,119 --> 00:46:06,160
So that just needs to be realized like

1114
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,319
some things like bigger things I think

1115
00:46:08,319 --> 00:46:10,880
it makes probably more sense than a very

1116
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,599
small thing um to document it but we're

1117
00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:16,720
we'll do it however you know the council

1118
00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:18,560
wants us to do it.

1119
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,280
>> Again it might be confused uh that I'm

1120
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,240
after documentation of things or writing

1121
00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:26,640
things down. uh I'm after the same

1122
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,760
discussion before. I I'm after the

1123
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,400
priority to go towards the resident's

1124
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,720
actual concerns. And so if that

1125
00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:36,319
happened, I actually think it would

1126
00:46:36,319 --> 00:46:38,000
maybe reduce time because we would be

1127
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,560
doing less of other things and more on

1128
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:40,960
that.

1129
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,432
>> So this is a comment I'd make on that.

1130
00:46:43,432 --> 00:46:43,599
[clears throat]

1131
00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:45,839
>> We're we're basically a regulatory

1132
00:46:45,839 --> 00:46:47,359
agency.

1133
00:46:47,359 --> 00:46:49,599
You guys pass laws, we have to enforce

1134
00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:52,560
them. So we can't there's many many many

1135
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,359
cases where we can't say yes because of

1136
00:46:55,359 --> 00:46:57,359
laws that are on the books.

1137
00:46:57,359 --> 00:46:59,440
>> And so we have residents that end up

1138
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,079
being happy at times

1139
00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:03,760
um especially initially until they

1140
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,920
understand what's on the books because

1141
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:07,839
we can't tell them yes because what is

1142
00:47:07,839 --> 00:47:08,640
on the books.

1143
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,000
>> Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm not referring to

1144
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:11,599
things that are not ordinances. I'm

1145
00:47:11,599 --> 00:47:13,040
referring to like fixing the things that

1146
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:14,160
people put on the website.

1147
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,240
>> Right. And and that goes back to budget.

1148
00:47:16,240 --> 00:47:17,920
there's not budget. If it's a project

1149
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,680
like somebody wants a sidewalk in the

1150
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,040
front of their house and it's not in the

1151
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:22,480
budget, then it has to go through the

1152
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:23,680
budget cycle,

1153
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:24,319
>> right? Which

1154
00:47:24,319 --> 00:47:26,319
>> get the money allocated by the city

1155
00:47:26,319 --> 00:47:29,520
council so that we can at some point be

1156
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,400
able to tell that resident yes,

1157
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,079
>> right? So, we're doing all that. So, I

1158
00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:35,440
>> Andrew, I might have something that

1159
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,440
could help in this.

1160
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,040
Mayor, I'd like to make a motion to move

1161
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,240
into executive session to discuss

1162
00:47:42,240 --> 00:47:48,069
>> what's the category? Um,

1163
00:47:48,079 --> 00:47:49,280
No. Moving to executive

1164
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:54,950
>> competency of staff.

1165
00:47:54,960 --> 00:48:01,750
» Right.

1166
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,000
» There is a motion to go into close

1167
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:09,750
session. Is there a second?

1168
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:11,119
» Okay. Do you want to continue?

1169
00:48:11,119 --> 00:48:12,640
>> Sure. I move to pause the regular

1170
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,720
meeting and move into a closed meeting

1171
00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:16,400
to be held in the conference room at

1172
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,359
city hall to discuss the character and

1173
00:48:19,359 --> 00:48:21,359
professional competence or physical or

1174
00:48:21,359 --> 00:48:24,960
mental health of an individual and that

1175
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:26,480
at the end of the closed session the

1176
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:30,240
open city council meeting will continue.

1177
00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:32,319
>> Is there a second?

1178
00:48:32,319 --> 00:48:34,319
>> Uh I'll second. But can I ask for an

1179
00:48:34,319 --> 00:48:35,760
amendment as well?

1180
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,280
>> I don't think so. I think it has to be

1181
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:38,640
really prescribed.

1182
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:42,400
>> I mean no. Okay. Then uh [clears throat]

1183
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:46,079
>> are you seconding it or no?

1184
00:48:46,079 --> 00:48:48,160
>> I think it would work really great if we

1185
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,319
could do this as the fifth item. I I

1186
00:48:50,319 --> 00:48:51,599
know. I'm trying to figure out how to do

1187
00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:53,359
it. Uh

1188
00:48:53,359 --> 00:48:53,760
>> are you?

1189
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:54,960
>> Yes, I'll second it.

1190
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,599
>> Okay. Um

1191
00:48:57,599 --> 00:48:59,680
it's been moved by Councilwoman Smeuan,

1192
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:03,599
seconded by Councilman um Young.

1193
00:49:03,599 --> 00:49:06,640
Is there um any discussion or question

1194
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,079
when we go to close session? Is there

1195
00:49:08,079 --> 00:49:10,559
discussion on the motion or is it an

1196
00:49:10,559 --> 00:49:12,640
automatic vote? I can't remember. Is it

1197
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:13,920
like a table or

1198
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,000
>> do you have discussion?

1199
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:17,839
I guess you can. I think we never seen

1200
00:49:17,839 --> 00:49:18,480
it really.

1201
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,040
>> If there is no substitute amendment, we

1202
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:22,640
can proceed with the roll call vote.

1203
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,319
>> Well, did wasn't there discuss?

1204
00:49:24,319 --> 00:49:27,040
>> Hold on. Just I'm just saying no, we're

1205
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:28,640
going to forego it because really we're

1206
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,720
either going to do it or not. But I said

1207
00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:33,359
if there is not a substitute motion, we

1208
00:49:33,359 --> 00:49:35,359
will proceed with a roll call vote.

1209
00:49:35,359 --> 00:49:40,470
>> Sarah Blackwell. Yes.

1210
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,359
Chrisman, yes.

1211
00:49:43,359 --> 00:49:45,200
>> Okay. Andrew Young, yes.

1212
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,359
>> Jessica Simone, yes.

1213
00:49:47,359 --> 00:49:50,800
>> Okay. We will journ to the um city

1214
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,200
calendar city hall conference room for a

1215
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:53,839
close session

1216
00:49:53,839 --> 00:49:54,800
>> because they're all here

1217
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,640
>> of the public. Hopefully, this will be

1218
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,880
fast. I'm hoping it will be quick and

1219
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:22,390
that we will be back to

1220
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:42,710
I'm going to bring

1221
00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:52,069
sometimes.

1222
00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:53,040
Are you coming in?

1223
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:55,119
>> I don't think I'm allowed. Ask the

1224
00:50:55,119 --> 00:51:08,470
attorney.

1225
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,559
Deian,

1226
00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:29,670
do you have the

1227
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:55,349
So you just slide that up.

1228
00:51:55,359 --> 00:52:33,990
And so

1229
00:52:34,000 --> 01:00:23,750
That's right.

1230
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:31,990
What's

1231
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,720
being

1232
01:00:34,720 --> 01:01:07,510
up?

1233
01:01:07,520 --> 01:03:18,069
So

1234
01:03:18,079 --> 01:03:56,069
Are you standing right there?

1235
01:03:56,079 --> 01:04:28,390
I'm sorry.

1236
01:04:28,400 --> 01:05:32,950
Now

1237
01:05:32,960 --> 01:06:43,829
Well,

1238
01:06:43,839 --> 01:07:42,710
I don't know.

1239
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:52,549
So what I

1240
01:07:52,559 --> 01:08:43,829
Sorry.

1241
01:08:43,839 --> 01:08:46,480
I think I should

1242
01:08:46,480 --> 01:09:42,149
just

1243
01:09:42,159 --> 01:10:29,590
All right.

1244
01:10:29,600 --> 01:12:14,630
It's kind of blended.

1245
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:17,600
Okay, we're back in um session. Let me

1246
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:20,239
know, Kaden, when we're ready to go.

1247
01:12:20,239 --> 01:12:24,159
Okay. Um, we've had a lively discussion

1248
01:12:24,159 --> 01:12:28,000
in our conference room. Um, with that,

1249
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:30,400
is there is anyone ready with a motion

1250
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:33,440
so we can proceed with the meeting?

1251
01:12:33,440 --> 01:12:36,719
I'll make a motion.

1252
01:12:36,719 --> 01:12:40,560
I move to approve a 2% COLA and 1%

1253
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:42,880
retention bonus calculated with the base

1254
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:47,040
salary in fiscal year 2026. The bonus is

1255
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:49,280
to be paid upon completion of the annual

1256
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:51,840
performance review. The timing and

1257
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:53,520
context of the review is at the

1258
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:55,920
discretion of mayor with the advice and

1259
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:58,880
consent of the city of city council.

1260
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:00,800
Assistant manager will match staff

1261
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:03,040
compensation adjustments on annualized

1262
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:06,320
basis. This is calculated to be a 2%

1263
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:09,120
increase in salary

1264
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:12,000
um 4% increase at 50% of length of

1265
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:15,520
employment effective September 1st 2026.

1266
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:18,080
The assistant manager is is eligible for

1267
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:20,400
a 1% bonus upon completion of a

1268
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:24,159
performance review on or before March

1269
01:13:24,159 --> 01:13:26,719
31st, 2027.

1270
01:13:26,719 --> 01:13:29,199
That's his one-year higher anniversary.

1271
01:13:29,199 --> 01:13:31,920
>> Is there a second to the motion?

1272
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:33,280
>> I'll second.

1273
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:34,880
>> It's been moved by Councilwoman

1274
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:37,040
Blackwell, seconded by Councilwoman

1275
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:40,320
Smeuan. Are is there any discussion on

1276
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:43,520
the motion? Chrissy?

1277
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:47,199
Um I did have some comments the motion.

1278
01:13:47,199 --> 01:13:49,360
>> Um yes.

1279
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:54,400
Okay. Sorry. Okay. Um

1280
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:58,320
I think um we did not necessarily have

1281
01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:01,920
bonuses in our original um it was just

1282
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:05,679
cola and um well there's a point8 but

1283
01:14:05,679 --> 01:14:09,120
there is some um

1284
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:12,080
understanding that our our current

1285
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:14,880
policy involves performance reviews and

1286
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:17,120
we wanted to like motivate everyone to

1287
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:18,719
get them done sooner than later. How

1288
01:14:18,719 --> 01:14:20,320
about and then you can get your bonus.

1289
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:23,520
So that was kind of um the logic behind

1290
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:26,560
tying the performance bonus to I'm sorry

1291
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:29,120
the performance review to a bonus just

1292
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:31,280
to incentivize even the employees

1293
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:33,440
themselves speaking up and saying hey

1294
01:14:33,440 --> 01:14:35,600
I'd like my review right now and you

1295
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:37,760
know just getting engaged in the process

1296
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:40,159
that's my only explanation and that

1297
01:14:40,159 --> 01:14:42,480
would also apply to both of you as well

1298
01:14:42,480 --> 01:14:44,320
which we didn't say with the staff but

1299
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:46,400
that was kind of the way we aligned the

1300
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:50,640
1% bonus was saying let's let's have um

1301
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:52,800
some

1302
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:54,719
I I I guess some assurance that these

1303
01:14:54,719 --> 01:14:56,560
are happening and that everybody's

1304
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:58,560
feeling like they're worth their time.

1305
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:01,199
And in addition, I just wanted to say we

1306
01:15:01,199 --> 01:15:03,120
didn't say as well that um it's been

1307
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:05,520
great to have Kaden. He's brand new.

1308
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:07,440
He's only been here three months. And so

1309
01:15:07,440 --> 01:15:10,080
we tried to equate that to what that

1310
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:11,199
looks like for people that have been

1311
01:15:11,199 --> 01:15:13,440
here for the full year. And so I hope

1312
01:15:13,440 --> 01:15:15,280
that makes sense. If it doesn't make

1313
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:16,640
sense, please

1314
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:19,520
>> we'll study we'll study the motion and

1315
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:21,679
make sure if you have questions, we'll

1316
01:15:21,679 --> 01:15:23,280
get back to the mayor and

1317
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:26,080
>> yeah. Okay. I'm the one who did the math

1318
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:28,960
and and so please like if it's I I I

1319
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:30,480
hope that it makes sense. I have done

1320
01:15:30,480 --> 01:15:31,679
these types of things before because

1321
01:15:31,679 --> 01:15:33,520
I've done payroll. So anyways, and I

1322
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:35,679
appreciate that and I also appreciate um

1323
01:15:35,679 --> 01:15:39,120
in our wage study that um we did that uh

1324
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:41,679
it really helped us see that Shane is

1325
01:15:41,679 --> 01:15:43,760
aligned with all the other leaders in

1326
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:46,880
the area. Um there is great value in

1327
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:49,280
having someone with this much experience

1328
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:52,080
and we just appreciate that.

1329
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:54,400
>> Andrew,

1330
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:58,159
I'm so appreciative of what you just did

1331
01:15:58,159 --> 01:16:00,480
with those residents back there. That

1332
01:16:00,480 --> 01:16:03,920
really that was my Christmas early.

1333
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:07,520
Okay, that meant everything.

1334
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:10,640
You helped him. You stood up for him.

1335
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:13,760
And I got to say thank you and thank you

1336
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:18,159
for doing that. Uh that that that's what

1337
01:16:18,159 --> 01:16:21,199
if that's what I see and I know I'm not

1338
01:16:21,199 --> 01:16:23,440
the only person here, but if that's what

1339
01:16:23,440 --> 01:16:25,679
I see, I would be for something much

1340
01:16:25,679 --> 01:16:28,159
higher in the future. [clears throat]

1341
01:16:28,159 --> 01:16:31,199
But what I just saw was beautiful. You

1342
01:16:31,199 --> 01:16:35,280
made a family very happy. You at least

1343
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:38,320
listened to them and that was huge and I

1344
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:40,320
think you can do that really well. So

1345
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:40,960
that's all.

1346
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:41,840
>> Jessica,

1347
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:42,719
>> no comments.

1348
01:16:42,719 --> 01:16:44,239
>> Okay, let's proceed with the roll call

1349
01:16:44,239 --> 01:16:45,600
vote. Councilwoman Blackwell.

1350
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:47,040
>> Sarah Blackwell, yes.

1351
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:48,800
>> Chrissy Anaman, yes.

1352
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:50,000
>> Andrew Young, yes.

1353
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:51,520
>> Jessica Smeuan, yes.

1354
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:55,120
>> Okay. Um, resolution passes.

1355
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:57,920
Let's move on to the site plan for the

1356
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:00,800
long range shooters.

1357
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:04,480
So Jason, it looks like we have a new

1358
01:17:04,480 --> 01:17:07,199
layout that or Kaden, are you going over

1359
01:17:07,199 --> 01:17:16,070
this or what? Do you know what this is?

1360
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:17,920
» Oh, it's not. Okay, then let's go ahead

1361
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:22,630
and have a presentation by

1362
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:24,320
» All right.

1363
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:27,120
So, the

1364
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:28,800
Long Range Shooters of Utah commercial

1365
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:30,560
site plan was discussed at the last

1366
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:32,880
council meeting. Um, it's off of 200

1367
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:35,600
North and Main Street, uh, just right

1368
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:38,000
here around the corner. Um, it's a

1369
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:39,280
building that's proposed to provide a

1370
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:42,159
space for a small retail gun shop. And

1371
01:17:42,159 --> 01:17:44,719
including with that retail space is a

1372
01:17:44,719 --> 01:17:48,080
warehouse, um, an office space, and a

1373
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:50,560
content creation space. And there will

1374
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:51,920
be a one-bedroom apartment above the

1375
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:53,520
office area.

1376
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:55,600
So, just as a reminder, this item was

1377
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:59,440
tabled last time to update the for uh

1378
01:17:59,440 --> 01:18:00,800
for the applicant to have more time to

1379
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:02,159
update the site plan and address

1380
01:18:02,159 --> 01:18:04,640
concerns of parking and building design.

1381
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:06,320
The applicant has provided an updated

1382
01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:08,560
site plan that meets the code for 307

1383
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:11,840
and the 311 gateway historic zone. The

1384
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:13,760
exterior materials and design of the

1385
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:15,520
building and design of the building have

1386
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:16,960
been updated to conform more completely

1387
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:18,159
to the gateway historic design

1388
01:18:18,159 --> 01:18:20,560
guidelines. a combination of brick, wood

1389
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:22,239
and other materials are used and these

1390
01:18:22,239 --> 01:18:26,080
materials meet the meet the guidelines.

1391
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:28,400
Um so as mentioned parking was one of

1392
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:30,560
the questions uh that was brought up by

1393
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:32,480
the council and has been has been

1394
01:18:32,480 --> 01:18:35,840
modified since then. Um

1395
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:39,040
so there is a need for 3.5 stalls per

1396
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:41,120
thousand square feet according to the

1397
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:43,040
land use category that they are with a

1398
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:45,280
as a retail shop.

1399
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:49,040
Um and so they meet that with having uh

1400
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:51,120
enough stalls and in fact they have an

1401
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:53,600
updated site plan than even the one here

1402
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:58,239
in the packet today um that they

1403
01:18:58,239 --> 01:19:00,400
uh that they provided to us that they

1404
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:02,159
want to go with and so I'll show that

1405
01:19:02,159 --> 01:19:04,719
shortly and that one meets the code for

1406
01:19:04,719 --> 01:19:06,400
that.

1407
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:09,840
Um, and so I'll Yeah, so some of this

1408
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:11,199
information is actually incorrect

1409
01:19:11,199 --> 01:19:12,560
because they've updated the site plan

1410
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:16,159
even since since I put this in here. Um,

1411
01:19:16,159 --> 01:19:18,880
but they do have traffic flow arrows,

1412
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:21,760
uh, an ingress side for the parking and

1413
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:24,719
an egress side on the west.

1414
01:19:24,719 --> 01:19:26,960
And so this allows vehicles to enter and

1415
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:28,880
exit the sides in a forward motion,

1416
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:31,120
which is uh in the business commercial

1417
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:34,159
zone uh requirements.

1418
01:19:34,159 --> 01:19:36,320
So, the staff would recommend that the

1419
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:38,640
council consider approving the proposed

1420
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:40,080
site plan for the new long range

1421
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:42,320
shooters of Utah.

1422
01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:53,750
So, let me show that new site plan.

1423
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:55,280
So, as you can see here, the parking

1424
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:57,760
before was a 90°

1425
01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:01,520
stall layout and now it is a 60° stall

1426
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:04,480
layout. Um

1427
01:20:04,480 --> 01:20:12,480
the width of the of the stalls is nine feet and the length is 19.

1428
01:20:12,480 --> 01:20:15,520
Oh, six. Oh, 19. And then there's 16 ft

1429
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:18,800
between the end of the stall to the

1430
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:22,000
edge of the property. And this uh design

1431
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:24,880
meets the code. You can see the arrows

1432
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:27,280
there. So, this is the ingress side for

1433
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:31,920
the cars. 24 foot uh ingress right here.

1434
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:33,360
and then the cars can flow through

1435
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:35,679
here and exit through this egress which

1436
01:20:35,679 --> 01:20:38,800
is 30 ft wide. There's still two spots

1437
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:40,880
inside the garage of the building for

1438
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:43,440
the residence

1439
01:20:43,440 --> 01:20:45,600
which the owner knows needs to be owner

1440
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:48,400
occupied. Canal levered stairs that was

1441
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:50,719
talked about last time

1442
01:20:50,719 --> 01:20:53,840
and the barrier for the parking will be

1443
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:56,560
installed on the on both sides of the

1444
01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:58,080
property. there's already one on the

1445
01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:01,199
east side and if there's uh one needed

1446
01:21:01,199 --> 01:21:02,400
for the west side which I believe there

1447
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:04,960
is they were the applicant is is

1448
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:07,679
planning on installing that.

1449
01:21:07,679 --> 01:21:11,520
So that's the updated site plan. Um

1450
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:15,520
they also have this as a proposal if the

1451
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:18,800
council prefers for the parking. This

1452
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:23,040
keeps the 90°ree parking. Um just

1453
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:24,320
removes one of the stalls that was

1454
01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:26,320
unnecessary. It was just a bonus stall.

1455
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:28,800
Um, and so now they they have six going

1456
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:31,679
across there instead of seven.

1457
01:21:31,679 --> 01:21:37,040
And this is a Ford 150 uh kind of auto

1458
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:39,600
drive layout that that was provided to

1459
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:41,280
show that it can effectively back out of

1460
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:44,239
that stall there. And this is wider than

1461
01:21:44,239 --> 01:21:45,840
a normal stall. That's why it can fit

1462
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:47,440
and back out here. I believe this is

1463
01:21:47,440 --> 01:21:49,760
about 10 and a half or 11 feet. This is

1464
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:52,159
number three. And you can see here that

1465
01:21:52,159 --> 01:21:54,800
these stalls here are wider than the

1466
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:57,199
code requirement.

1467
01:21:57,199 --> 01:21:59,280
The requirement is 9 by 18. These are

1468
01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:03,120
all 9 and a half or more with the ADA

1469
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:06,800
with the 13 for the ADA and then 18 and

1470
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:10,080
some change for the length.

1471
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:14,000
Uh the plan def definitely um as says

1472
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:16,159
here meets the 20% landscaping

1473
01:22:16,159 --> 01:22:18,719
requirement which does not include the

1474
01:22:18,719 --> 01:22:20,480
park strip. so they meet it even without

1475
01:22:20,480 --> 01:22:23,830
it.

1476
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:25,120
And I believe those were the biggest

1477
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:26,560
concerns the last time we tabled this

1478
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:28,239
item. If there's any other questions,

1479
01:22:28,239 --> 01:22:30,800
feel free to let me know. But um I'll

1480
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:33,520
turn it over to you, Mayor.

1481
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:35,760
>> Okay. Are there any questions regarding

1482
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:37,760
the presentation? I know some had

1483
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:39,920
questions regarding parking. Is there

1484
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:41,760
any specific questions you have that was

1485
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:44,800
not addressed by the presentation?

1486
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:46,719
I just want to confirm that the site the

1487
01:22:46,719 --> 01:22:49,760
footprint was reduced because I didn't

1488
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:52,560
get maybe the correct information in my

1489
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:54,480
packet. So, can you just confirm that,

1490
01:22:54,480 --> 01:22:54,880
Kaden?

1491
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:58,960
>> Yes, it has been reduced. Um, and that

1492
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:00,239
is what has allowed them to have more

1493
01:23:00,239 --> 01:23:01,440
space for parking.

1494
01:23:01,440 --> 01:23:03,280
>> Okay. So, this is currently the plan

1495
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:08,639
that will meet our our code 3.24.020.

1496
01:23:08,639 --> 01:23:10,560
>> That's correct. Correct. And then with

1497
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:13,360
parking space number one, how do you

1498
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:15,760
count for that?

1499
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:17,600
>> So that does go into the calculations as

1500
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:20,480
well since they need six six stalls. Um

1501
01:23:20,480 --> 01:23:22,320
well, eight if you count the two in the

1502
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:26,320
garage. Um and yeah, so that counts as

1503
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:29,760
one of the the parking stalls there. Um

1504
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:30,800
there was some question about the

1505
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:32,239
dumpster there, but there's nothing in

1506
01:23:32,239 --> 01:23:33,760
the code that impedes a stall from being

1507
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:37,040
right there. And is that car able to

1508
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:39,679
exit front forward facing?

1509
01:23:39,679 --> 01:23:41,360
>> Yeah. So, that was one thing I failed to

1510
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:43,280
mention as well. Um, let me go back to

1511
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:47,280
the landscape plan. So, these planters

1512
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:49,520
used to extend this full length right

1513
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:52,159
here on both sides of the garage, the

1514
01:23:52,159 --> 01:23:54,960
driveway. Uh, now they've taken that out

1515
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:57,679
so that a car can back out and exit

1516
01:23:57,679 --> 01:24:02,000
forward motion like this. Um, and they

1517
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:03,600
were still able to meet the 20%

1518
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:05,360
landscaping requirement even taking out

1519
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:06,239
that.

1520
01:24:06,239 --> 01:24:06,960
>> So,

1521
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:08,400
>> yeah, that's just probably my only

1522
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:12,080
concern is that that stall one um will

1523
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:13,920
that will that encourage them to just

1524
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:15,920
back straight out or will that encourage

1525
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:18,159
them to

1526
01:24:18,159 --> 01:24:21,520
exit forward facing? That's just a a

1527
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:22,719
concern. But [clears throat]

1528
01:24:22,719 --> 01:24:24,320
>> yeah, so there is some landscaping right

1529
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:26,000
here in the corner. So, they definitely

1530
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:27,360
can't go straight out,

1531
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:28,480
>> right?

1532
01:24:28,480 --> 01:24:31,920
I mean, I think the the applicant has

1533
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:34,239
provided space for them to follow that

1534
01:24:34,239 --> 01:24:36,800
code and back out and go like this way.

1535
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:40,159
Obviously, I think this spot is intended

1536
01:24:40,159 --> 01:24:43,040
for probably their personal use mo most

1537
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:46,560
of the time um with the low volume of of

1538
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:47,840
customers that will be coming to the

1539
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:48,480
site.

1540
01:24:48,480 --> 01:24:48,800
>> Okay.

1541
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:51,199
>> And so they understand that code and and

1542
01:24:51,199 --> 01:24:53,679
can easily follow that. And was a swept

1543
01:24:53,679 --> 01:24:56,080
path analysis conducted to come up with

1544
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:58,320
this configuration

1545
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:00,960
or how did Yeah, I mean I know this is

1546
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:03,679
in our code this configuration of the 16

1547
01:25:03,679 --> 01:25:05,280
ft but

1548
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:08,080
>> was there was that necessary to do a

1549
01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:09,520
sweat path?

1550
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:11,360
>> Um not to my understanding. I think they

1551
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:12,960
were able to just make it work on the

1552
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:14,719
site. Um, we have looked at some sweat

1553
01:25:14,719 --> 01:25:18,320
path analysis with the original 90deree.

1554
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:21,199
Um, but haven't seen any with this new

1555
01:25:21,199 --> 01:25:24,239
60deree uh, parking, but because it

1556
01:25:24,239 --> 01:25:27,280
meets our code, um,

1557
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:29,199
I think it's I think it works.

1558
01:25:29,199 --> 01:25:31,520
>> And does stall number one still meet the

1559
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:32,880
code for a distance if it's a

1560
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:35,040
perpendicular parking? Doesn't that have

1561
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:37,040
to be 20 feet?

1562
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:38,880
>> So, stall number one is kind of

1563
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:40,800
following the 90 degree on this side

1564
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:43,440
since it's separated by the garage. And

1565
01:25:43,440 --> 01:25:46,400
so it has to be 18 by9

1566
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:48,480
>> and it's 18 by 11.

1567
01:25:48,480 --> 01:25:50,159
>> But the distance from the end of the

1568
01:25:50,159 --> 01:25:54,639
parking stall to the property line.

1569
01:25:54,639 --> 01:25:57,280
>> Oh. Um from here you're saying this spot

1570
01:25:57,280 --> 01:25:57,920
right here.

1571
01:25:57,920 --> 01:25:59,040
>> Yes.

1572
01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:02,560
>> Yeah. So that would have to be

1573
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:07,360
um well I'm not sure exactly. Uh

1574
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:09,520
>> well, and this I think it's been

1575
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:10,960
discussed before. This particular

1576
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:14,080
situation with single loaded 90° parking

1577
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:16,239
is not addressed in the ordinance.

1578
01:26:16,239 --> 01:26:18,000
>> It's only addressed in there for double

1579
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:18,800
loaded.

1580
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:19,440
>> Sure.

1581
01:26:19,440 --> 01:26:25,520
>> And so there is no exact number in the code

1582
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:26,800
is what he's saying. Yeah.

1583
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:27,760
>> Okay.

1584
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:30,159
>> So I don't remember ever seeing a single

1585
01:26:30,159 --> 01:26:32,800
loaded 90 degree any on a commercial

1586
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:35,760
site plan in the city. So, you know,

1587
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:37,440
based on experience, you usually make

1588
01:26:37,440 --> 01:26:39,040
changes to your code or, you know,

1589
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:40,960
address things through text amendments

1590
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:42,719
and this might be something that needs

1591
01:26:42,719 --> 01:26:43,840
to be done.

1592
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:46,560
>> So, would it um parking space one be

1593
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:49,920
considered an exception or just this we

1594
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:53,040
used our best judgment and

1595
01:26:53,040 --> 01:26:56,000
>> I would say they use our best judgment

1596
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:57,760
because to have an exception you really

1597
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:00,159
need a rule and if there's not a rule,

1598
01:27:00,159 --> 01:27:01,600
you know what I'm saying?

1599
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:05,360
>> Okay. Yeah. Um, when it comes to blank

1600
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:08,080
walls, is our code just require um, no

1601
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:11,360
blank walls on street facing or is it

1602
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:14,950
all walls?

1603
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:17,679
» I do not remember a blank wall code. I

1604
01:27:17,679 --> 01:27:19,520
think that's upcoming in our small area

1605
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:21,520
plan, but

1606
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:24,239
>> no, it's in our um, it's in our main

1607
01:27:24,239 --> 01:27:25,920
street historic gateway.

1608
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:26,480
>> Okay.

1609
01:27:26,480 --> 01:27:29,040
>> I don't think it as a front, back, or

1610
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:31,120
side. It just says blank walls.

1611
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:33,199
>> Yeah, I know. Oh, in our small area

1612
01:27:33,199 --> 01:27:34,480
plan, it's just street facing. So,

1613
01:27:34,480 --> 01:27:35,840
that's why I was just clarifying.

1614
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:36,560
>> Yeah. Okay.

1615
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:37,199
>> Yeah.

1616
01:27:37,199 --> 01:27:38,480
>> Sorry. You know that better than me in

1617
01:27:38,480 --> 01:27:40,719
some respects. So, but yeah, I I mean,

1618
01:27:40,719 --> 01:27:43,040
no wall is is truly blank on this

1619
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:44,880
property either. Um, let me Sorry, I

1620
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:46,480
forgot to pull up the elevations.

1621
01:27:46,480 --> 01:27:49,199
>> Does landscaping also help contribute to

1622
01:27:49,199 --> 01:27:53,040
a non-blank wall or is it just fixtures

1623
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:57,189
to that wall?

1624
01:27:57,199 --> 01:27:58,960
» Um, I think it's just fixtures to the

1625
01:27:58,960 --> 01:27:59,280
wall.

1626
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:00,159
>> Okay. Yeah.

1627
01:28:00,159 --> 01:28:02,560
>> Thank you.

1628
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:13,270
Let me show the elevations here.

1629
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:18,239
So, the front, as you were saying, has definitely more articulation design

1630
01:28:18,239 --> 01:28:21,520
elements than than the back. Um, here's

1631
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:26,390
one side.

1632
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:28,560
So, there is more blank space on the

1633
01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:30,960
back property.

1634
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:32,880
walls, but

1635
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:33,280
>> yeah,

1636
01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:34,960
>> they're not completely blank.

1637
01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:38,000
>> Okay, thank you for sharing that. Um,

1638
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:41,440
and I guess my last comment is I'd just

1639
01:28:41,440 --> 01:28:43,840
like to thank all the members of the

1640
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:47,199
community who provided information and

1641
01:28:47,199 --> 01:28:50,800
for the Bergens for being so they I mean

1642
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:52,320
anytime I talked to them, they seemed

1643
01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:55,360
always willing to, you know, make some

1644
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:57,600
adjustments. That's been my personal

1645
01:28:57,600 --> 01:28:59,280
experience with them. So, I appreciate

1646
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:01,760
that. Um, and also I appreciate the time

1647
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:04,159
that the residents gave in researching.

1648
01:29:04,159 --> 01:29:07,199
They did so much and provided so much

1649
01:29:07,199 --> 01:29:09,440
information and it's just great to have

1650
01:29:09,440 --> 01:29:11,199
extra eyes on things because I will

1651
01:29:11,199 --> 01:29:13,920
admit I don't know everything and so

1652
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:16,560
it's it was really helpful and so I just

1653
01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:17,840
wanted to say thank you for being

1654
01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:23,040
involved in your community. Um, yeah.

1655
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:26,400
>> Okay. Um, does anybody have questions on

1656
01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:28,639
the presentation?

1657
01:29:28,639 --> 01:29:31,440
Kaden, um I have a question for this

1658
01:29:31,440 --> 01:29:33,520
diagram that we're looking at now. Is

1659
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:34,960
this different than the packet that was

1660
01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:37,360
sent out originally?

1661
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:38,719
>> Uh yes. I think it was part of the

1662
01:29:38,719 --> 01:29:39,679
amended packet.

1663
01:29:39,679 --> 01:29:40,239
>> Okay. Thank you.

1664
01:29:40,239 --> 01:29:40,880
>> Yeah.

1665
01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:42,960
>> All right. And so now this aligns with

1666
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:46,320
the 3D version um because

1667
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:47,040
>> correct.

1668
01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:49,920
>> Okay. I just wanted to verify that. And

1669
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:52,159
then um on this particular slide, thank

1670
01:29:52,159 --> 01:29:54,560
you. Um number one is a dental

1671
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:56,639
combination and then number two is a

1672
01:29:56,639 --> 01:29:59,679
soldier course and corner peers. So did

1673
01:29:59,679 --> 01:30:01,760
when now that we have the amended packet

1674
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:06,800
have they was this an option or they settled on the lower version or

1675
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:08,239
some variation of it.

1676
01:30:08,239 --> 01:30:11,280
>> Come up to the microphone please

1677
01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:14,000
to clarify.

1678
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:15,440
>> Yeah Bryce can clarify. I think they

1679
01:30:15,440 --> 01:30:16,719
were just giving an option for the

1680
01:30:16,719 --> 01:30:17,600
council to look at.

1681
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:19,280
>> Or have you settled at this point?

1682
01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:28,229
>> If you could state your name please.

1683
01:30:28,239 --> 01:30:29,600
Seems like the other one.

1684
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:30,080
>> Yeah, the other one.

1685
01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:33,679
>> Yeah, maybe try the other one.

1686
01:30:33,679 --> 01:30:35,040
>> Can I just be really loud? Yeah, it's

1687
01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:35,760
working.

1688
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:36,239
>> Your voice.

1689
01:30:36,239 --> 01:30:37,679
>> Yeah. So, we presented both options just

1690
01:30:37,679 --> 01:30:39,040
for the council to kind of give us some

1691
01:30:39,040 --> 01:30:40,880
feedback. Um, we were happy with either

1692
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:42,400
one. The one that ultimately we got the

1693
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:44,159
most positive feedback on was the upper

1694
01:30:44,159 --> 01:30:45,679
one. So, that's the one that the design

1695
01:30:45,679 --> 01:30:48,400
is after. But again, we're open to

1696
01:30:48,400 --> 01:30:49,840
making adjustments if there's an

1697
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:51,360
amendment that needs to be made to we

1698
01:30:51,360 --> 01:30:53,120
like this one better than that one.

1699
01:30:53,120 --> 01:30:54,639
>> I like them both, too. I just wondered

1700
01:30:54,639 --> 01:30:56,960
if that was something you're still

1701
01:30:56,960 --> 01:30:58,960
you've decided now and you put it in the

1702
01:30:58,960 --> 01:30:59,280
plan.

1703
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:00,560
>> We're happy with either one. Number one

1704
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:02,560
is the one we're presenting as a

1705
01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:03,280
>> Okay. All right.

1706
01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:05,360
>> I actually like the simpler design, too,

1707
01:31:05,360 --> 01:31:07,360
but I'm probably

1708
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:10,480
>> I'm probably the in the minority.

1709
01:31:10,480 --> 01:31:12,560
>> I I as long as you're meeting code, I'm

1710
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:14,960
happy. And so, I want you to be happy.

1711
01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:16,639
It's your building. as long as you're

1712
01:31:16,639 --> 01:31:17,440
meeting our codes.

1713
01:31:17,440 --> 01:31:18,080
>> I think they both

1714
01:31:18,080 --> 01:31:19,440
>> promise to make it beautiful.

1715
01:31:19,440 --> 01:31:23,440
>> It is beautiful. Okay. Lastly on this um

1716
01:31:23,440 --> 01:31:25,840
particular item, what was my question?

1717
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:30,800
Okay, there was which diagram and then

1718
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:34,480
um oh I know in again the same it's the

1719
01:31:34,480 --> 01:31:36,639
same um question that I just asked. So

1720
01:31:36,639 --> 01:31:38,480
you've presented two different parking

1721
01:31:38,480 --> 01:31:41,120
options. As long as both meet code, is

1722
01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:43,440
it up to the applicant to decide or is

1723
01:31:43,440 --> 01:31:45,600
that something we need to like settle on

1724
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:47,040
tonight?

1725
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:48,639
>> I would say the council should decide

1726
01:31:48,639 --> 01:31:50,560
which one they prefer

1727
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:53,760
>> even though they both meet code.

1728
01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:57,760
>> So the angle parking

1729
01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:00,560
>> meets code completely. The 90° parking

1730
01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:02,320
is the one that we tabled because the

1731
01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:04,480
code is vague.

1732
01:32:04,480 --> 01:32:05,040
>> Okay.

1733
01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:08,719
>> And that's why it was tabled. Um, so

1734
01:32:08,719 --> 01:32:11,120
does it meet code? That's what kind of

1735
01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:12,719
Shane was mentioning where there's no

1736
01:32:12,719 --> 01:32:14,400
rule and so there's no exception that

1737
01:32:14,400 --> 01:32:15,840
needs to be given to that necessarily,

1738
01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:18,239
but there's also no rule.

1739
01:32:18,239 --> 01:32:22,000
>> Okay. So this the angled parking is um

1740
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:24,880
is is the most compliant.

1741
01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:26,239
>> Staff would recommend that.

1742
01:32:26,239 --> 01:32:31,040
>> Okay. And then the design factor, you've settled on the one which Okay. I

1743
01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:33,920
just needed clarification. Um, and this

1744
01:32:33,920 --> 01:32:38,000
is uh what was I going to say? The um

1745
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:42,000
and this has been a long time since I watched the planning commission

1746
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:46,560
meeting. The reason that we have less parking than would be a normal

1747
01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:48,239
retail establishment is because this is

1748
01:32:48,239 --> 01:32:51,360
by appointment only pretty much or help

1749
01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:53,199
me understand that how your business

1750
01:32:53,199 --> 01:32:53,600
runs.

1751
01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:56,080
>> The reason why it's it's it's actually

1752
01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:58,239
spot on with code for the retail space.

1753
01:32:58,239 --> 01:32:58,480
Yes,

1754
01:32:58,480 --> 01:32:59,679
>> I think there was a double code

1755
01:32:59,679 --> 01:33:01,760
application where they thought there was

1756
01:33:01,760 --> 01:33:02,480
need to place.

1757
01:33:02,480 --> 01:33:04,480
>> It's based on square footage

1758
01:33:04,480 --> 01:33:06,320
>> just of the retail space, not the entire

1759
01:33:06,320 --> 01:33:07,840
building. Okay, thank you for that

1760
01:33:07,840 --> 01:33:10,000
clarification. Okay, I wasn't sure how

1761
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:12,159
we ended up on that park number of

1762
01:33:12,159 --> 01:33:14,000
parking stalls. So, thank you for that.

1763
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:15,679
Okay, that's all my questions.

1764
01:33:15,679 --> 01:33:17,040
>> Okay, Andrew.

1765
01:33:17,040 --> 01:33:18,719
>> Uh, yeah. Hey, would you mind standing

1766
01:33:18,719 --> 01:33:20,320
up here for a second just for a second

1767
01:33:20,320 --> 01:33:24,480
since you're up there? Uh, so we live by

1768
01:33:24,480 --> 01:33:28,960
each other. And so, uh, I, uh, I value

1769
01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:31,199
just as much the touchyfey as the, uh,

1770
01:33:31,199 --> 01:33:34,639
code. I know that's not popular to say,

1771
01:33:34,639 --> 01:33:36,639
but, anyone who sits on this side or

1772
01:33:36,639 --> 01:33:38,639
works in DC, you find out just what the

1773
01:33:38,639 --> 01:33:41,679
code is made out of or the laws, and

1774
01:33:41,679 --> 01:33:44,080
it's pretty troubling uh, for me to see

1775
01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:45,440
who makes them, how they're made, and

1776
01:33:45,440 --> 01:33:46,560
everything. So that's why I like the

1777
01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:53,199
tatuili as well the the community the ambiance the what we're creating uh

1778
01:33:53,199 --> 01:33:55,600
when I was running surprisingly the

1779
01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:59,199
second most largest thing brought up was

1780
01:33:59,199 --> 01:34:01,440
I didn't have a definition for it first

1781
01:34:01,440 --> 01:34:03,600
was traffic was the number one thing in

1782
01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:05,280
every single one neighborhood that I was

1783
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:07,280
in that they would ask about the next

1784
01:34:07,280 --> 01:34:09,840
was there was no title for it I just

1785
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:12,719
call it extreme construction

1786
01:34:12,719 --> 01:34:14,560
and uh our neighborhood has a lot of

1787
01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:17,920
that um or the Healy neighborhood. And

1788
01:34:17,920 --> 01:34:19,120
so I was just hoping you could

1789
01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:20,800
sympathize a little bit since you know

1790
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:23,199
kind of how that works and what it does

1791
01:34:23,199 --> 01:34:24,880
to a community and what it does to a

1792
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:27,520
neighborhood. We've got I don't know how

1793
01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:29,520
else to call it extreme construction

1794
01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:32,239
around there. Uh stuff that really

1795
01:34:32,239 --> 01:34:33,760
changes the whole dynamic of the

1796
01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:34,880
neighborhood. And you see what happens

1797
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:37,840
on that street and people moving out,

1798
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:39,760
renting their homes and you get renters

1799
01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:42,159
and people's views being blocked.

1800
01:34:42,159 --> 01:34:45,760
people's um people's entire identity of

1801
01:34:45,760 --> 01:34:47,600
why they moved to Alpine being changed

1802
01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:49,920
and it's totally legal. It's totally

1803
01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:51,199
legal. So that's what I'm trying to deal

1804
01:34:51,199 --> 01:34:53,920
with. That's what I'm trying to help. Um

1805
01:34:53,920 --> 01:34:55,760
so anyways, while you're up here, I

1806
01:34:55,760 --> 01:34:58,880
guess the question is was there was was

1807
01:34:58,880 --> 01:35:02,000
there anything that you were willing to

1808
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:03,920
do that the neighborhood that surrounds

1809
01:35:03,920 --> 01:35:05,760
this was happy with that you guys felt

1810
01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:07,600
like you came to a good? I mean, that's

1811
01:35:07,600 --> 01:35:08,800
what I've been after from the beginning

1812
01:35:08,800 --> 01:35:11,360
when this has come to me. A compromise

1813
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:13,360
that because you're an Alpine resident

1814
01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:16,159
and so are they. Um, a compromise where

1815
01:35:16,159 --> 01:35:18,400
you could achieve your goals of your

1816
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:21,199
business, but also their neighborhood

1817
01:35:21,199 --> 01:35:24,000
could keep its uh identity and what the

1818
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:25,760
larger Alpine is is peace and quiet.

1819
01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:29,120
That's that's what people want. Um, and

1820
01:35:29,120 --> 01:35:30,800
uh I was just wondering if you were if

1821
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:32,320
you and the neighborhood was able to

1822
01:35:32,320 --> 01:35:34,159
come to a compromise or is it still at

1823
01:35:34,159 --> 01:35:37,350
odds?

1824
01:35:37,360 --> 01:35:38,639
Do do were were they

1825
01:35:38,639 --> 01:35:40,400
>> if you're asking me I think it's a

1826
01:35:40,400 --> 01:35:42,400
matter of opinion, right? Some residents

1827
01:35:42,400 --> 01:35:44,320
would feel that a blank lot would be

1828
01:35:44,320 --> 01:35:45,920
better filled with a building. Others

1829
01:35:45,920 --> 01:35:47,199
would say they'd rather have a blank

1830
01:35:47,199 --> 01:35:49,120
lot. Some would say they'd like a home

1831
01:35:49,120 --> 01:35:50,400
there. Some would like to say there's a

1832
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:51,679
business there. I think there's a lot of

1833
01:35:51,679 --> 01:35:53,040
opinions out there and it's going to be

1834
01:35:53,040 --> 01:35:54,400
very difficult to make everybody

1835
01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:56,880
satisfied. I can speak to what I've

1836
01:35:56,880 --> 01:35:58,000
tried to do.

1837
01:35:58,000 --> 01:36:00,159
>> Um I've tried to be open. I've tried to

1838
01:36:00,159 --> 01:36:03,199
listen to feedback. Um I've persevered

1839
01:36:03,199 --> 01:36:04,719
some attacks and some, you know,

1840
01:36:04,719 --> 01:36:06,159
questions. I haven't said a nail thing

1841
01:36:06,159 --> 01:36:08,320
about a single person involved. I've

1842
01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:10,639
only said, "Hey, I'm willing to make the

1843
01:36:10,639 --> 01:36:12,560
building look more historic to match the

1844
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:14,560
city." I've also said that this is where

1845
01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:16,239
I live. This is where I plan to make my

1846
01:36:16,239 --> 01:36:17,920
home. This is where we lived for 10

1847
01:36:17,920 --> 01:36:19,520
years and conducted vid for 10 years. I

1848
01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:21,040
want to be here and I want to be a good

1849
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:22,719
member of the community. And I think

1850
01:36:22,719 --> 01:36:24,159
we've done that. We've made extensive

1851
01:36:24,159 --> 01:36:25,360
changes to the building. We've worked

1852
01:36:25,360 --> 01:36:27,280
tirelessly to make the code happen.

1853
01:36:27,280 --> 01:36:28,800
We've pushed our engineers and our

1854
01:36:28,800 --> 01:36:30,560
architects to the extreme, calling them

1855
01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:32,320
after hours and getting them to do

1856
01:36:32,320 --> 01:36:34,480
renditions at 4:30 today to try to get

1857
01:36:34,480 --> 01:36:36,800
you something that that gave you options

1858
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:39,280
that you could help us achieve that. And

1859
01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:41,760
as the mayor mentioned previously,

1860
01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:43,679
>> you know, it's not a public hearing, but

1861
01:36:43,679 --> 01:36:45,679
yet you guys have all received an

1862
01:36:45,679 --> 01:36:47,600
abundance of emails both for and

1863
01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:50,239
against, right? And so I think your

1864
01:36:50,239 --> 01:36:52,560
decision will reflect your ability to

1865
01:36:52,560 --> 01:36:54,400
look at the code and see if we met that

1866
01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:57,199
code and also temper that with how you

1867
01:36:57,199 --> 01:36:58,639
feel about how we've handled it and

1868
01:36:58,639 --> 01:37:00,800
whether we've, you know, stuck our feet

1869
01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:02,239
to the ground and said no or whether

1870
01:37:02,239 --> 01:37:03,679
we've said, "Hey, we're willing to do

1871
01:37:03,679 --> 01:37:05,920
things that within reason. I'm certainly

1872
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:07,360
not going to sell my property just

1873
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:08,719
because somebody asked me to." And I'm

1874
01:37:08,719 --> 01:37:11,280
certainly not going to reduce it by 50%

1875
01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:12,880
just because someone wants to when I'm

1876
01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:17,679
already well inside of the code. So, I'm happy to entertain reasonable

1877
01:37:17,679 --> 01:37:19,040
requests. I think we have been

1878
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:21,440
reasonable and again, I'm committed to

1879
01:37:21,440 --> 01:37:22,800
making sure we have a beautiful building

1880
01:37:22,800 --> 01:37:24,480
that's well cared for, that has

1881
01:37:24,480 --> 01:37:26,239
beautiful landscaping and is

1882
01:37:26,239 --> 01:37:28,400
wellmaintained and is a great asset and

1883
01:37:28,400 --> 01:37:29,840
helps us with the budget issues that we

1884
01:37:29,840 --> 01:37:31,119
have here in Alpine.

1885
01:37:31,119 --> 01:37:32,320
>> It's going to bring in some some good

1886
01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:33,119
tax revenue.

1887
01:37:33,119 --> 01:37:33,760
>> Last question.

1888
01:37:33,760 --> 01:37:34,400
>> Anything else?

1889
01:37:34,400 --> 01:37:36,560
>> Yeah, last question for me. So, like you

1890
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:38,000
live in a beautiful house and you live

1891
01:37:38,000 --> 01:37:41,280
on a beautiful street. Um, if this was

1892
01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:44,080
going up uh on the open lot on your

1893
01:37:44,080 --> 01:37:46,639
street next to you, what would you do?

1894
01:37:46,639 --> 01:37:47,760
>> I don't know that there's anything that

1895
01:37:47,760 --> 01:37:49,440
I could do.

1896
01:37:49,440 --> 01:37:51,119
>> I could be upset about it,

1897
01:37:51,119 --> 01:37:54,239
>> but if it meets the code,

1898
01:37:54,239 --> 01:37:55,360
I don't know what I could do. I mean,

1899
01:37:55,360 --> 01:37:56,960
I'm at the mercy of the property owner

1900
01:37:56,960 --> 01:37:59,280
like we all are. There's houses on my

1901
01:37:59,280 --> 01:38:00,639
street that I don't particularly love.

1902
01:38:00,639 --> 01:38:01,760
There's houses behind me I don't

1903
01:38:01,760 --> 01:38:02,560
particularly love.

1904
01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:03,040
>> There have been,

1905
01:38:03,040 --> 01:38:04,239
>> but I've never taken an occasion to go

1906
01:38:04,239 --> 01:38:05,360
and tell them they need to change

1907
01:38:05,360 --> 01:38:07,119
something. There have been residents who

1908
01:38:07,119 --> 01:38:08,800
have been in a very similar situation in

1909
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:10,719
the same area and we've asked or I have

1910
01:38:10,719 --> 01:38:12,800
asked, I can't speak for everyone. I've

1911
01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:15,440
asked if they might make a a slight

1912
01:38:15,440 --> 01:38:18,560
alteration or change and I would say two

1913
01:38:18,560 --> 01:38:22,400
out of three say no, but one says yes,

1914
01:38:22,400 --> 01:38:24,159
and it completely preserves that

1915
01:38:24,159 --> 01:38:26,960
neighborhood. And I'm amazed at what it

1916
01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:28,880
does. They legally have the right to not

1917
01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:31,679
do it, but they safeguard an entire

1918
01:38:31,679 --> 01:38:33,520
neighborhood. And their neighbors are so

1919
01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:39,600
grateful. They improve not just their area but the

1920
01:38:39,600 --> 01:38:41,920
entire neighborhood. And so I'd

1921
01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:43,760
encourage you to consider that.

1922
01:38:43,760 --> 01:38:45,199
>> Sure. I think we have

1923
01:38:45,199 --> 01:38:46,719
>> Okay.

1924
01:38:46,719 --> 01:38:48,560
>> Yeah. I have a couple of questions. I

1925
01:38:48,560 --> 01:38:49,679
just

1926
01:38:49,679 --> 01:38:53,040
>> appreciate how far this has come from

1927
01:38:53,040 --> 01:38:56,159
day one. So I can I see your efforts in

1928
01:38:56,159 --> 01:38:57,840
aligning with the code and I appreciate

1929
01:38:57,840 --> 01:39:00,320
your desire to do that. And so I really

1930
01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:02,239
don't have I I think the one question

1931
01:39:02,239 --> 01:39:04,719
but Kayen might be able to answer this.

1932
01:39:04,719 --> 01:39:08,719
um or Jason relating to our code the

1933
01:39:08,719 --> 01:39:11,280
3.242.

1934
01:39:11,280 --> 01:39:14,800
Which one of these six examples is this

1935
01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:17,119
one?

1936
01:39:17,119 --> 01:39:19,040
>> I I and you can sit down. I don't have

1937
01:39:19,040 --> 01:39:20,639
any other questions specifically.

1938
01:39:20,639 --> 01:39:22,480
>> Can I say thank you to the staff?

1939
01:39:22,480 --> 01:39:23,760
They've been awesome. I've been

1940
01:39:23,760 --> 01:39:25,119
acquainted with a lot of them now and

1941
01:39:25,119 --> 01:39:26,800
they're awesome people. They deserve the

1942
01:39:26,800 --> 01:39:30,239
raises. Thank you.

1943
01:39:30,239 --> 01:39:32,880
>> So, yeah, it would be the 60deree

1944
01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:34,560
parking one-way aisle. Is that what

1945
01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:35,280
you're asking?

1946
01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:37,520
>> She's talking about the use.

1947
01:39:37,520 --> 01:39:40,800
>> I'm talking about the six diagrams that

1948
01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:46,950
are approved in 324.

1949
01:39:46,960 --> 01:39:49,440
» Yeah. So, it's Let me look at it. I have

1950
01:39:49,440 --> 01:39:54,709
it on my phone, so it's easier for me to

1951
01:39:54,719 --> 01:40:01,350
» Okay. Anything

1952
01:40:01,360 --> 01:40:02,239
else?

1953
01:40:02,239 --> 01:40:06,159
>> Yeah. So, again, back to code, I do see

1954
01:40:06,159 --> 01:40:08,159
that there's one concern where we're not

1955
01:40:08,159 --> 01:40:09,760
aligned with code. And it sounds like

1956
01:40:09,760 --> 01:40:13,040
that's the goal of everybody. And um as

1957
01:40:13,040 --> 01:40:15,119
I sit here on council, that is my main

1958
01:40:15,119 --> 01:40:17,840
focus is making sure that, you know,

1959
01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:19,760
it's not about how amazing the

1960
01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:21,520
applicants are or how beautiful the

1961
01:40:21,520 --> 01:40:23,600
project is. That it really does need to

1962
01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:26,239
align with code. and it has to do with

1963
01:40:26,239 --> 01:40:28,960
parking stall one. I believe parking

1964
01:40:28,960 --> 01:40:32,080
stall one isn't compliant, but we do

1965
01:40:32,080 --> 01:40:33,920
have a process in place and it's our

1966
01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:37,440
exception process. So I would recommend

1967
01:40:37,440 --> 01:40:40,080
that we follow our code and that we

1968
01:40:40,080 --> 01:40:43,040
utilize the exception process an

1969
01:40:43,040 --> 01:40:46,400
applicant goes back through so that

1970
01:40:46,400 --> 01:40:49,840
everything's done properly and um

1971
01:40:49,840 --> 01:40:51,440
requests an exception from planning

1972
01:40:51,440 --> 01:40:55,280
commission because to the city manager's

1973
01:40:55,280 --> 01:40:56,800
comment

1974
01:40:56,800 --> 01:40:58,639
number one doesn't really meet any

1975
01:40:58,639 --> 01:41:02,560
standard and so that in my mind would

1976
01:41:02,560 --> 01:41:05,840
then put it in the exception bucket

1977
01:41:05,840 --> 01:41:10,880
which is code I'm looking at

1978
01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:13,600
that number it's three

1979
01:41:13,600 --> 01:41:15,040
>> the exception

1980
01:41:15,040 --> 01:41:16,560
>> 32430

1981
01:41:16,560 --> 01:41:19,040
>> yeah 324030

1982
01:41:19,040 --> 01:41:20,960
and so maybe

1983
01:41:20,960 --> 01:41:22,800
you could offer clarity why it wouldn't

1984
01:41:22,800 --> 01:41:24,480
need to go through that process just so

1985
01:41:24,480 --> 01:41:33,830
that we all are on a equal playing field

1986
01:41:33,840 --> 01:41:35,679
Okay.

1987
01:41:35,679 --> 01:41:37,520
>> Just want to preface that I haven't

1988
01:41:37,520 --> 01:41:40,560
reviewed the this parking ordinance

1989
01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:42,080
specifically, but I'm happy to look at

1990
01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:43,920
>> For those of you that aren't familiar,

1991
01:41:43,920 --> 01:41:47,440
our regular um city attorney is Mr.

1992
01:41:47,440 --> 01:41:50,080
Steve Doxy. He is on family vacation.

1993
01:41:50,080 --> 01:41:53,440
Hyram has agreed to help us during this

1994
01:41:53,440 --> 01:41:56,159
process. And unfortunately, this is

1995
01:41:56,159 --> 01:41:58,320
something that kind of was changed at

1996
01:41:58,320 --> 01:42:00,960
the last minute. thinking that um it

1997
01:42:00,960 --> 01:42:03,760
would fulfill a lot of this code. So I I

1998
01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:05,760
understand where you're coming from.

1999
01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:08,080
>> I'm I'm happy to tell you um

2000
01:42:08,080 --> 01:42:10,400
specifically in terms from like a legal

2001
01:42:10,400 --> 01:42:13,520
standpoint if it in is in fact true that

2002
01:42:13,520 --> 01:42:16,880
our code doesn't address a spec specific

2003
01:42:16,880 --> 01:42:20,880
thing then um in Utah law you have to

2004
01:42:20,880 --> 01:42:23,360
favor the land use applicant. Right? any

2005
01:42:23,360 --> 01:42:26,320
ambiguity or unclear in law cuts in

2006
01:42:26,320 --> 01:42:28,320
favor of the land use applicant and in

2007
01:42:28,320 --> 01:42:30,000
favor of using your land in a specific

2008
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:33,119
manner. So, if a code is ambiguous or

2009
01:42:33,119 --> 01:42:35,520
unclear, uh, the proposal that they

2010
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:36,800
would be giving tonight, if in fact

2011
01:42:36,800 --> 01:42:38,639
that's true, and again, I haven't looked

2012
01:42:38,639 --> 01:42:40,719
at that code. Um,

2013
01:42:40,719 --> 01:42:42,560
>> it sounds like we don't have anything

2014
01:42:42,560 --> 01:42:45,280
specifically to address parking stall

2015
01:42:45,280 --> 01:42:48,159
number one situation that it's all for

2016
01:42:48,159 --> 01:42:50,880
birectional. And so you're saying that

2017
01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:52,639
since we don't have anything in our city

2018
01:42:52,639 --> 01:42:55,199
code that addresses this one spot

2019
01:42:55,199 --> 01:42:58,880
specifically that we are per Utah State

2020
01:42:58,880 --> 01:43:01,520
code that it's not an exception that we

2021
01:43:01,520 --> 01:43:03,920
have to favor the land.

2022
01:43:03,920 --> 01:43:04,400
>> Okay.

2023
01:43:04,400 --> 01:43:06,960
>> Yeah, we certainly can, you know, table

2024
01:43:06,960 --> 01:43:09,280
it to dig more into that to see if

2025
01:43:09,280 --> 01:43:11,280
there's any other provision in code um

2026
01:43:11,280 --> 01:43:13,600
to look at that. But yeah, if if that is

2027
01:43:13,600 --> 01:43:15,600
that's the case that we don't have any

2028
01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:17,040
anything in our parking code that

2029
01:43:17,040 --> 01:43:19,679
specifically regulates 90° parking

2030
01:43:19,679 --> 01:43:21,440
stalls and how far they need to be from

2031
01:43:21,440 --> 01:43:25,440
a public rideway, um then there isn't a

2032
01:43:25,440 --> 01:43:27,520
regulation that governs that.

2033
01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:29,040
>> Therefore, no exceptions.

2034
01:43:29,040 --> 01:43:31,280
>> But doesn't that authority have to be

2035
01:43:31,280 --> 01:43:33,199
granted?

2036
01:43:33,199 --> 01:43:34,719
I mean, there is an exception that

2037
01:43:34,719 --> 01:43:36,480
follows

2038
01:43:36,480 --> 01:43:38,800
just after our parking lot requirements.

2039
01:43:38,800 --> 01:43:41,520
So if we don't grant the authority say

2040
01:43:41,520 --> 01:43:43,440
to the engineer or grant the authority

2041
01:43:43,440 --> 01:43:45,679
to the city administrator because we

2042
01:43:45,679 --> 01:43:48,400
grant the authority throughout our code

2043
01:43:48,400 --> 01:43:50,320
but in this instance we don't grant the

2044
01:43:50,320 --> 01:43:54,159
authority to make a ruling we actually

2045
01:43:54,159 --> 01:43:57,600
then move to an exception

2046
01:43:57,600 --> 01:44:00,239
which follows right after

2047
01:44:00,239 --> 01:44:02,239
our parking lot standards.

2048
01:44:02,239 --> 01:44:06,880
>> Yeah. So, so typically you would have an exception. You would be seeking

2049
01:44:06,880 --> 01:44:08,639
essentially a deviation from an already

2050
01:44:08,639 --> 01:44:11,119
written code. And so if there isn't an

2051
01:44:11,119 --> 01:44:13,760
already written code that's governing

2052
01:44:13,760 --> 01:44:16,719
90° parking stalls, there's no deviation

2053
01:44:16,719 --> 01:44:19,600
to seek an exception from. It's

2054
01:44:19,600 --> 01:44:23,920
typically how it works. Um, if there might be something else in your

2055
01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:26,880
parking code that ties, you know, that

2056
01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:29,360
can be construed to apply to all parking

2057
01:44:29,360 --> 01:44:32,719
stalls regardless. Um, again, I I'm

2058
01:44:32,719 --> 01:44:33,600
happy to look into that.

2059
01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:34,960
>> Thank you. Do you have any other

2060
01:44:34,960 --> 01:44:35,360
questions?

2061
01:44:35,360 --> 01:44:37,280
>> Only just a comment. We do have a

2062
01:44:37,280 --> 01:44:40,320
90deree parking standard. And what that

2063
01:44:40,320 --> 01:44:42,960
90deree parking standard requires is a

2064
01:44:42,960 --> 01:44:45,360
two-way aisle.

2065
01:44:45,360 --> 01:44:47,679
So, that does exist in our code

2066
01:44:47,679 --> 01:44:49,440
>> specifically required. Does it? Is that

2067
01:44:49,440 --> 01:44:50,719
a requirement?

2068
01:44:50,719 --> 01:44:54,560
>> It says shall. So, shall um denotes it's

2069
01:44:54,560 --> 01:44:56,000
a requirement.

2070
01:44:56,000 --> 01:44:57,520
>> I don't know. I don't think this is a

2071
01:44:57,520 --> 01:45:01,830
requirement.

2072
01:45:01,840 --> 01:45:03,600
I haven't been too involved in this, but

2073
01:45:03,600 --> 01:45:07,600
I stepped in on a conversation Jason and

2074
01:45:07,600 --> 01:45:12,480
Kaden had today. Um, so

2075
01:45:12,480 --> 01:45:14,639
in the ordinance, there's a diagram for

2076
01:45:14,639 --> 01:45:17,600
90° parking, two-way aisle. This was

2077
01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:19,760
only proposed as a one-way aisle, even

2078
01:45:19,760 --> 01:45:22,400
with the 90° plan.

2079
01:45:22,400 --> 01:45:25,600
And so it it doesn't exactly fit the

2080
01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:30,800
situation that was proposed here. and I wasn't asking to hire him to look

2081
01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:33,360
at the details of the parking diagram. I

2082
01:45:33,360 --> 01:45:34,800
was looking for the legal on an

2083
01:45:34,800 --> 01:45:37,520
exception. And that was my thought to

2084
01:45:37,520 --> 01:45:40,000
have an exception. It would be an

2085
01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:43,199
exception to some ordinance or some rule

2086
01:45:43,199 --> 01:45:46,400
that's established. And I think uh

2087
01:45:46,400 --> 01:45:48,480
looking down the road, one way to fix

2088
01:45:48,480 --> 01:45:50,000
this

2089
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:54,960
is uh either to have more diagrams or to

2090
01:45:54,960 --> 01:45:57,840
have one and two-way aisles listed here.

2091
01:45:57,840 --> 01:46:00,480
If you look at the angle parkings, they

2092
01:46:00,480 --> 01:46:04,560
all say one way aisle, but the 90deree

2093
01:46:04,560 --> 01:46:07,760
parking says two-way aisle.

2094
01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:10,320
>> So a way to read that code provision,

2095
01:46:10,320 --> 01:46:11,679
right? I'm looking at it now with the

2096
01:46:11,679 --> 01:46:13,679
diagrams is to say that, you know, these

2097
01:46:13,679 --> 01:46:15,760
are the only these six are the only

2098
01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:18,560
diagrams we have. So, so to your point,

2099
01:46:18,560 --> 01:46:21,280
Council Member Schmune, um

2100
01:46:21,280 --> 01:46:23,280
if we're if we're allowing one, perhaps

2101
01:46:23,280 --> 01:46:25,440
an exception would be the right avenue

2102
01:46:25,440 --> 01:46:27,920
because it sounds like we're we're

2103
01:46:27,920 --> 01:46:30,000
allowing

2104
01:46:30,000 --> 01:46:31,840
a different variation than the six

2105
01:46:31,840 --> 01:46:33,760
diagrams that we have in our code. Now,

2106
01:46:33,760 --> 01:46:36,639
to Shane's to Shane's point, you know,

2107
01:46:36,639 --> 01:46:40,239
we have we can't think of every possible

2108
01:46:40,239 --> 01:46:43,679
um you know, proposal for uh parking. Um

2109
01:46:43,679 --> 01:46:46,400
but I think it's it's a fair reading

2110
01:46:46,400 --> 01:46:49,360
that given what's in there and given

2111
01:46:49,360 --> 01:46:51,760
that it required at least the only one

2112
01:46:51,760 --> 01:46:54,000
that has a 90 degree parking stall

2113
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:56,320
requires a two-way aisle that perhaps a

2114
01:46:56,320 --> 01:46:59,920
deviation or an exception would be

2115
01:46:59,920 --> 01:47:02,159
appropriate avenue. Well, and I just

2116
01:47:02,159 --> 01:47:03,840
want to clarify this isn't about the

2117
01:47:03,840 --> 01:47:06,159
application. Again, I know you all have

2118
01:47:06,159 --> 01:47:08,400
done everything you've been directed to

2119
01:47:08,400 --> 01:47:11,440
do. This is about a process as a city to

2120
01:47:11,440 --> 01:47:13,520
make sure that our code is applied

2121
01:47:13,520 --> 01:47:17,920
equally to all applications. And so, um,

2122
01:47:17,920 --> 01:47:19,600
it's just really important we get this

2123
01:47:19,600 --> 01:47:21,760
right as we have more and more

2124
01:47:21,760 --> 01:47:24,320
applications come through. We don't want

2125
01:47:24,320 --> 01:47:27,440
to set a precedent that isn't following

2126
01:47:27,440 --> 01:47:29,520
the code that which is basically our

2127
01:47:29,520 --> 01:47:31,600
city laws.

2128
01:47:31,600 --> 01:47:35,280
Jessica, on the same um vein of thought,

2129
01:47:35,280 --> 01:47:36,960
since the planning commission provides

2130
01:47:36,960 --> 01:47:42,400
recommendations and we're ultimately the land use authority,

2131
01:47:42,400 --> 01:47:46,159
um if if I don't understand the value of

2132
01:47:46,159 --> 01:47:48,560
sending it back to planning commission

2133
01:47:48,560 --> 01:47:50,960
because we grant the exception at the

2134
01:47:50,960 --> 01:47:52,480
end so we can do it here in this

2135
01:47:52,480 --> 01:47:53,119
meeting.

2136
01:47:53,119 --> 01:47:55,280
>> I think actually the planning commission

2137
01:47:55,280 --> 01:47:57,840
grants the exception. I thought we were

2138
01:47:57,840 --> 01:47:59,040
the land use authority,

2139
01:47:59,040 --> 01:48:00,639
>> but they make a re I'm sorry, they make

2140
01:48:00,639 --> 01:48:02,239
a recommendation to the exception,

2141
01:48:02,239 --> 01:48:03,440
>> but ultimately, yes, that's what I'm

2142
01:48:03,440 --> 01:48:04,880
saying. Ultimately, we make the final

2143
01:48:04,880 --> 01:48:07,920
decision. So, I'm not understanding that

2144
01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:10,239
additional delay. You know, we just went

2145
01:48:10,239 --> 01:48:12,320
through the um fire station delay and it

2146
01:48:12,320 --> 01:48:17,040
cost money every time for delays. So, I I don't understand what that would

2147
01:48:17,040 --> 01:48:18,400
accomplish to send it back to the

2148
01:48:18,400 --> 01:48:20,080
planning commission when we have

2149
01:48:20,080 --> 01:48:21,440
ultimate authority to grant an

2150
01:48:21,440 --> 01:48:23,040
exception.

2151
01:48:23,040 --> 01:48:26,080
I think to help planning commission get

2152
01:48:26,080 --> 01:48:29,360
aligned and understand their role in

2153
01:48:29,360 --> 01:48:30,960
evaluating and looking at these

2154
01:48:30,960 --> 01:48:34,560
applications. There's always processes

2155
01:48:34,560 --> 01:48:36,719
that we can all learn from. So if we can

2156
01:48:36,719 --> 01:48:38,719
send it back to planning commission so

2157
01:48:38,719 --> 01:48:42,719
that they um recognize

2158
01:48:42,719 --> 01:48:44,960
>> they do listen to our meetings. So,

2159
01:48:44,960 --> 01:48:46,639
>> so I do think they'll learn from this

2160
01:48:46,639 --> 01:48:48,480
discussion because we've had legal

2161
01:48:48,480 --> 01:48:50,080
expertise

2162
01:48:50,080 --> 01:48:52,480
um weigh in on it which I appreciate him

2163
01:48:52,480 --> 01:48:55,280
coming. Thank you, Hyram.

2164
01:48:55,280 --> 01:48:57,040
>> That's what I'm saying. Like I'm not I

2165
01:48:57,040 --> 01:48:58,560
understand that we are the land use

2166
01:48:58,560 --> 01:49:01,679
authority and so ultimately we grant the

2167
01:49:01,679 --> 01:49:04,080
ex exception or not based on their

2168
01:49:04,080 --> 01:49:06,080
recommendation. So it doesn't really um

2169
01:49:06,080 --> 01:49:08,239
enhance the process at this point

2170
01:49:08,239 --> 01:49:11,119
because like it's our authority. We have

2171
01:49:11,119 --> 01:49:13,280
authority. So, can Hyram clarify that?

2172
01:49:13,280 --> 01:49:18,080
Because at the bottom of 3.24.030,

2173
01:49:18,080 --> 01:49:20,639
there is language that says the city

2174
01:49:20,639 --> 01:49:22,880
council after recommendation.

2175
01:49:22,880 --> 01:49:24,239
>> I I understand.

2176
01:49:24,239 --> 01:49:25,679
>> Okay. I just want higher rooms

2177
01:49:25,679 --> 01:49:26,639
clarification.

2178
01:49:26,639 --> 01:49:28,960
>> Okay.

2179
01:49:28,960 --> 01:49:30,560
>> Yeah. If you're dotting your eyes and,

2180
01:49:30,560 --> 01:49:32,080
you know, crossing your tees, you would

2181
01:49:32,080 --> 01:49:33,920
send it back to planning commission for

2182
01:49:33,920 --> 01:49:38,159
the recommendation. Um, I understand the

2183
01:49:38,159 --> 01:49:40,639
uh I understand the ultimate outcome is

2184
01:49:40,639 --> 01:49:42,480
going to be determined by city council,

2185
01:49:42,480 --> 01:49:44,400
but

2186
01:49:44,400 --> 01:49:46,320
does say it may be recommended by the

2187
01:49:46,320 --> 01:49:48,480
planning commission and so arguably you

2188
01:49:48,480 --> 01:49:49,920
could say that it has not been

2189
01:49:49,920 --> 01:49:53,040
recommended by planning commission.

2190
01:49:53,040 --> 01:49:54,480
>> Can I ask two more questions? Sorry,

2191
01:49:54,480 --> 01:49:55,280
Jessica, are you

2192
01:49:55,280 --> 01:49:56,320
>> I think that's it. [clears throat] Thank

2193
01:49:56,320 --> 01:49:56,719
you.

2194
01:49:56,719 --> 01:49:58,639
>> Um, I know the apartment has to be owner

2195
01:49:58,639 --> 01:50:01,360
occupied. So, if it's not owner

2196
01:50:01,360 --> 01:50:04,080
occupied, like say your the children of

2197
01:50:04,080 --> 01:50:06,800
this family are either not old enough to

2198
01:50:06,800 --> 01:50:10,400
live there yet or it just remains

2199
01:50:10,400 --> 01:50:12,560
vacant. Okay. Just wanted to clarify

2200
01:50:12,560 --> 01:50:14,880
that's correct. Okay. And then just

2201
01:50:14,880 --> 01:50:16,639
looking at this parking configuration,

2202
01:50:16,639 --> 01:50:20,719
how would car number six exit?

2203
01:50:20,719 --> 01:50:22,320
Is there enough space there to back out

2204
01:50:22,320 --> 01:50:30,310
and move forward?

2205
01:50:30,320 --> 01:50:32,480
So, we have not had a we just got this

2206
01:50:32,480 --> 01:50:34,639
recently, so we haven't looked exactly

2207
01:50:34,639 --> 01:50:37,520
at that. Um,

2208
01:50:37,520 --> 01:50:39,280
but if you have a concern, we could look

2209
01:50:39,280 --> 01:50:41,280
at it.

2210
01:50:41,280 --> 01:50:45,280
Just a quick look here uh to the left of

2211
01:50:45,280 --> 01:50:48,880
stall two. That whole parking scenario

2212
01:50:48,880 --> 01:50:53,119
could be moved probably two feet or so

2213
01:50:53,119 --> 01:50:55,520
to the west which would give additional

2214
01:50:55,520 --> 01:50:57,679
room

2215
01:50:57,679 --> 01:50:59,679
>> even with two feet. I don't know how you

2216
01:50:59,679 --> 01:51:01,920
back a car out of that especially a

2217
01:51:01,920 --> 01:51:04,080
truck. You know we love our trucks.

2218
01:51:04,080 --> 01:51:06,480
>> Yeah. I think I think they were talking

2219
01:51:06,480 --> 01:51:08,560
about maybe making parking stall and

2220
01:51:08,560 --> 01:51:10,400
labeling it compact. You know how

2221
01:51:10,400 --> 01:51:11,760
there's a lot of parking spaces where

2222
01:51:11,760 --> 01:51:14,719
they'll do that in parking lots. So, you

2223
01:51:14,719 --> 01:51:17,119
know,

2224
01:51:17,119 --> 01:51:18,880
>> so it's a smaller car, smaller radius.

2225
01:51:18,880 --> 01:51:21,920
As long as it's marked that way, that

2226
01:51:21,920 --> 01:51:22,639
should work.

2227
01:51:22,639 --> 01:51:24,480
>> It sounds like this is still in motion

2228
01:51:24,480 --> 01:51:29,119
then. It sounds like this site plan is

2229
01:51:29,119 --> 01:51:33,600
still being revised. I just feel like

2230
01:51:33,600 --> 01:51:35,600
>> is that a gate? Is there a wall or a

2231
01:51:35,600 --> 01:51:38,000
gate on that right side?

2232
01:51:38,000 --> 01:51:40,239
>> There's a there's a fence already.

2233
01:51:40,239 --> 01:51:42,159
>> Okay. So, this it's not like open

2234
01:51:42,159 --> 01:51:43,440
sidewalk.

2235
01:51:43,440 --> 01:51:45,599
>> No, there's they're saying that they

2236
01:51:45,599 --> 01:51:48,320
have it on both sides.

2237
01:51:48,320 --> 01:51:50,159
>> So, we're

2238
01:51:50,159 --> 01:51:52,239
as I'm looking So, we're like pushing it

2239
01:51:52,239 --> 01:51:54,560
as much. We're compacting as much as we

2240
01:51:54,560 --> 01:51:56,320
can in this and we're we're getting to a

2241
01:51:56,320 --> 01:51:58,560
point where we're like, "Okay, this is

2242
01:51:58,560 --> 01:52:01,679
this doable? Is it not?

2243
01:52:01,679 --> 01:52:04,560
Uh, yeah. I don't know.

2244
01:52:04,560 --> 01:52:08,639
It's looking like it's not doable.

2245
01:52:08,639 --> 01:52:11,040
No, I meant I meant six. I apologize.

2246
01:52:11,040 --> 01:52:13,199
Six.

2247
01:52:13,199 --> 01:52:15,599
>> I think if you

2248
01:52:15,599 --> 01:52:17,760
maybe move it over.

2249
01:52:17,760 --> 01:52:19,280
>> If you move it over and mark it as

2250
01:52:19,280 --> 01:52:21,199
compact, it's totally doable.

2251
01:52:21,199 --> 01:52:22,960
>> But is that is that So, is that Okay.

2252
01:52:22,960 --> 01:52:26,470
Yeah. Go ahead.

2253
01:52:26,480 --> 01:52:28,080
» Okay. I'm going to just make the motion

2254
01:52:28,080 --> 01:52:29,679
and see where we stand. Unless there's

2255
01:52:29,679 --> 01:52:30,800
Go ahead and interject.

2256
01:52:30,800 --> 01:52:33,280
>> One clarification. The C uh council can

2257
01:52:33,280 --> 01:52:36,159
consider also um approving this on the

2258
01:52:36,159 --> 01:52:38,560
condition of receiving final approval on

2259
01:52:38,560 --> 01:52:40,960
the parking variation, right? Because

2260
01:52:40,960 --> 01:52:42,159
it's already before you now

2261
01:52:42,159 --> 01:52:44,239
>> at the administrative level.

2262
01:52:44,239 --> 01:52:45,360
>> Yeah. I mean, it's going to come back

2263
01:52:45,360 --> 01:52:46,960
before you, but essentially, you're all

2264
01:52:46,960 --> 01:52:48,639
done looking at this except it's

2265
01:52:48,639 --> 01:52:50,400
conditioned upon them receiving final

2266
01:52:50,400 --> 01:52:52,560
approval on this

2267
01:52:52,560 --> 01:52:54,159
>> this exception that they're that they're

2268
01:52:54,159 --> 01:52:54,960
going to be seeking.

2269
01:52:54,960 --> 01:52:56,480
>> Would that exception still go back to

2270
01:52:56,480 --> 01:52:57,760
planning commission? Well, it would go

2271
01:52:57,760 --> 01:52:58,880
to planning commission for a

2272
01:52:58,880 --> 01:53:00,560
recommendation, come back before this

2273
01:53:00,560 --> 01:53:01,840
body, and you would give it, but you

2274
01:53:01,840 --> 01:53:04,159
wouldn't be getting into anything else

2275
01:53:04,159 --> 01:53:06,719
on the site plan that's in front of you.

2276
01:53:06,719 --> 01:53:08,719
It would just simply be

2277
01:53:08,719 --> 01:53:11,280
>> an approval with a condition that they

2278
01:53:11,280 --> 01:53:13,840
receive final approval for an exception

2279
01:53:13,840 --> 01:53:18,159
on on the parking stall one.

2280
01:53:18,159 --> 01:53:20,239
>> Oh, so helpful. Where have you been?

2281
01:53:20,239 --> 01:53:21,280
Thank you.

2282
01:53:21,280 --> 01:53:22,639
>> Thank you,

2283
01:53:22,639 --> 01:53:24,000
>> Jessica. Did you have anything further

2284
01:53:24,000 --> 01:53:26,800
or anyone else for motions or anything?

2285
01:53:26,800 --> 01:53:29,280
Sarah,

2286
01:53:29,280 --> 01:53:33,119
>> I'll say it. Okay. I move to approve the

2287
01:53:33,119 --> 01:53:35,119
proposed site plan for the new long

2288
01:53:35,119 --> 01:53:37,360
range shooters of Utah commercial site

2289
01:53:37,360 --> 01:53:40,719
plan subject to the following conditions

2290
01:53:40,719 --> 01:53:42,560
that

2291
01:53:42,560 --> 01:53:46,000
we receive. Let's see.

2292
01:53:46,000 --> 01:53:49,119
We receive I can't read my own writing.

2293
01:53:49,119 --> 01:53:51,679
Um we review what is the word you used?

2294
01:53:51,679 --> 01:53:52,639
I'm so sorry.

2295
01:53:52,639 --> 01:53:55,280
>> No. contingent upon approval of the

2296
01:53:55,280 --> 01:53:56,960
exception to the parking for park

2297
01:53:56,960 --> 01:53:59,440
install one from planning commission.

2298
01:53:59,440 --> 01:54:00,960
That's what I understood. No,

2299
01:54:00,960 --> 01:54:02,800
>> not I mean just I think I would just end

2300
01:54:02,800 --> 01:54:04,400
it there, not from planning commission.

2301
01:54:04,400 --> 01:54:06,239
>> Okay.

2302
01:54:06,239 --> 01:54:07,520
>> You're ultimately going to make that

2303
01:54:07,520 --> 01:54:09,040
determination after planning commission.

2304
01:54:09,040 --> 01:54:11,280
>> Okay. Condition on a recommendation from

2305
01:54:11,280 --> 01:54:14,239
planning commission regarding an

2306
01:54:14,239 --> 01:54:17,199
exception to parking stall one.

2307
01:54:17,199 --> 01:54:17,760
>> Is that

2308
01:54:17,760 --> 01:54:19,679
>> Did I miss something? Yeah, I would say

2309
01:54:19,679 --> 01:54:24,400
um we approve it on the condition of the

2310
01:54:24,400 --> 01:54:27,679
applicant receiving approval for

2311
01:54:27,679 --> 01:54:31,840
exception on parking style one

2312
01:54:31,840 --> 01:54:33,840
after planning commit after planning

2313
01:54:33,840 --> 01:54:36,159
commission review

2314
01:54:36,159 --> 01:54:39,360
>> condition that the applicant receive

2315
01:54:39,360 --> 01:54:42,320
approval and so we're limiting the scope

2316
01:54:42,320 --> 01:54:46,960
by saying approval to parking stall one.

2317
01:54:46,960 --> 01:54:48,560
>> Yeah. so that we're not discussing the

2318
01:54:48,560 --> 01:54:50,719
whole thing over again. Okay. We're not

2319
01:54:50,719 --> 01:54:53,040
opening up. Okay.

2320
01:54:53,040 --> 01:54:56,320
All right. Scratch that. Do I have a

2321
01:54:56,320 --> 01:54:57,440
second? No.

2322
01:54:57,440 --> 01:54:59,360
>> No, not yet. I try to get the motion.

2323
01:54:59,360 --> 01:55:01,040
Can you just repeat it for

2324
01:55:01,040 --> 01:55:01,920
>> No, [clears throat] I know. I'm going to

2325
01:55:01,920 --> 01:55:04,480
start over again. Okay. I move to

2326
01:55:04,480 --> 01:55:06,400
approve the proposed site plan for the

2327
01:55:06,400 --> 01:55:08,000
new long range shooters of Utah

2328
01:55:08,000 --> 01:55:10,080
commercial site plan subject to the

2329
01:55:10,080 --> 01:55:12,560
following condition. that the applicant

2330
01:55:12,560 --> 01:55:17,040
receive approval to an the exception for

2331
01:55:17,040 --> 01:55:20,320
parking stall one after recommendation

2332
01:55:20,320 --> 01:55:22,719
of the planning commission.

2333
01:55:22,719 --> 01:55:24,000
>> Okay, I'm getting a knock.

2334
01:55:24,000 --> 01:55:29,430
>> Okay. Is there a second to the motion?

2335
01:55:29,440 --> 01:55:31,920
» We can't offer amendments until after,

2336
01:55:31,920 --> 01:55:36,470
right? Okay.

2337
01:55:36,480 --> 01:55:42,149
» If there's no second, the motion dies.

2338
01:55:42,159 --> 01:55:45,599
Okay. Is there another motion?

2339
01:55:45,599 --> 01:55:49,280
Can I like to I would like to make a

2340
01:55:49,280 --> 01:55:49,520
motion.

2341
01:55:49,520 --> 01:55:51,760
>> Can I make a comment before you? It's

2342
01:55:51,760 --> 01:55:52,800
just

2343
01:55:52,800 --> 01:55:54,159
>> Actually, she said that she'd like to

2344
01:55:54,159 --> 01:55:55,520
make a motion. We're going to continue

2345
01:55:55,520 --> 01:55:56,960
with that. If you don't want to second

2346
01:55:56,960 --> 01:55:58,560
it, that is just the procedure. Okay.

2347
01:55:58,560 --> 01:56:00,639
>> Go ahead. Go ahead. I move to approve

2348
01:56:00,639 --> 01:56:02,719
the proposed site plan for the longrange

2349
01:56:02,719 --> 01:56:06,320
shooters of Utah commercial site plan um

2350
01:56:06,320 --> 01:56:08,159
conditioned

2351
01:56:08,159 --> 01:56:10,639
um subject to the following conditions

2352
01:56:10,639 --> 01:56:12,400
that applicant receives approval to

2353
01:56:12,400 --> 01:56:14,639
parking stall one from planning

2354
01:56:14,639 --> 01:56:16,960
commission and that approval is also

2355
01:56:16,960 --> 01:56:20,480
based off of doing a sweat path plan and

2356
01:56:20,480 --> 01:56:23,760
site references for determining results.

2357
01:56:23,760 --> 01:56:25,520
Can I say something like that like some

2358
01:56:25,520 --> 01:56:27,679
sort of study? So for the website plan,

2359
01:56:27,679 --> 01:56:29,440
is that something Jason you would do or

2360
01:56:29,440 --> 01:56:30,960
that we would have to contract out to

2361
01:56:30,960 --> 01:56:33,199
get done?

2362
01:56:33,199 --> 01:56:34,800
>> We would need to contract it out, but

2363
01:56:34,800 --> 01:56:37,119
it's a quick thing just calling Horox

2364
01:56:37,119 --> 01:56:38,000
and having them do it.

2365
01:56:38,000 --> 01:56:40,239
>> And what's the cost of that? And is that

2366
01:56:40,239 --> 01:56:42,159
something that we can pass on or is that

2367
01:56:42,159 --> 01:56:44,000
some a cost additional cost that we're

2368
01:56:44,000 --> 01:56:45,280
incurring?

2369
01:56:45,280 --> 01:56:46,719
>> Should we see if there's a second?

2370
01:56:46,719 --> 01:56:48,800
>> Oh, I Well, I think because nobody

2371
01:56:48,800 --> 01:56:50,080
understands what that is.

2372
01:56:50,080 --> 01:56:52,080
>> Okay,

2373
01:56:52,080 --> 01:56:54,719
>> Shane, are we okay?

2374
01:56:54,719 --> 01:56:56,800
It It's 15 minutes.

2375
01:56:56,800 --> 01:56:57,520
>> Yeah. So,

2376
01:56:57,520 --> 01:57:01,440
>> there be a call. I mean, it's probably

2377
01:57:01,440 --> 01:57:03,360
>> 50 bucks if it's 15 minutes.

2378
01:57:03,360 --> 01:57:03,679
>> Okay.

2379
01:57:03,679 --> 01:57:04,320
>> Yeah.

2380
01:57:04,320 --> 01:57:06,719
>> Okay. Is there a second to the motion?

2381
01:57:06,719 --> 01:57:07,760
>> I'll second it.

2382
01:57:07,760 --> 01:57:09,199
>> Okay. It's moved by Councilwoman

2383
01:57:09,199 --> 01:57:12,639
Blackwell, seconded by um Councilwoman

2384
01:57:12,639 --> 01:57:16,320
Haniman. Um are there any questions to

2385
01:57:16,320 --> 01:57:18,719
or comments regarding the motion?

2386
01:57:18,719 --> 01:57:20,719
>> Mayor, can I make one comment just in

2387
01:57:20,719 --> 01:57:24,400
case it affects? So, um, hyram mentioned

2388
01:57:24,400 --> 01:57:26,880
before maybe to just include the word

2389
01:57:26,880 --> 01:57:29,440
approval and I was asking this as much

2390
01:57:29,440 --> 01:57:32,400
for us for clarity part of the approval

2391
01:57:32,400 --> 01:57:34,560
would be coming back to the city council

2392
01:57:34,560 --> 01:57:36,639
because the planning commission would

2393
01:57:36,639 --> 01:57:38,480
make a recommendation on the exception

2394
01:57:38,480 --> 01:57:41,119
and then it would come back. So, just

2395
01:57:41,119 --> 01:57:43,119
simply striking planning commission just

2396
01:57:43,119 --> 01:57:45,440
having approval I think would take care

2397
01:57:45,440 --> 01:57:46,000
of that.

2398
01:57:46,000 --> 01:57:47,440
>> Correct.

2399
01:57:47,440 --> 01:57:48,880
Yeah, we certainly aren't going to be

2400
01:57:48,880 --> 01:57:50,320
giving planning commission, you know,

2401
01:57:50,320 --> 01:57:52,239
the authority to make the final decision

2402
01:57:52,239 --> 01:57:54,400
on that. So yeah, it would just be

2403
01:57:54,400 --> 01:57:55,360
condition upon your

2404
01:57:55,360 --> 01:57:56,880
>> So then are you saying that it needs to

2405
01:57:56,880 --> 01:57:58,639
come it needs to go back to planning

2406
01:57:58,639 --> 01:58:00,639
commission? They need to make the re

2407
01:58:00,639 --> 01:58:03,520
recommendation the exception to that

2408
01:58:03,520 --> 01:58:06,400
parking space. And so are you saying

2409
01:58:06,400 --> 01:58:07,760
that even though we don't have it

2410
01:58:07,760 --> 01:58:11,440
specifically in our ordinance that for a

2411
01:58:11,440 --> 01:58:16,320
single for a 90deree parking stall for

2412
01:58:16,320 --> 01:58:19,040
unidirectional

2413
01:58:19,040 --> 01:58:21,040
we don't have anything in there and we

2414
01:58:21,040 --> 01:58:23,280
only have something for birectional that

2415
01:58:23,280 --> 01:58:25,599
they have to have an exception because

2416
01:58:25,599 --> 01:58:29,280
their parking isn't birectional

2417
01:58:29,280 --> 01:58:30,719
because it's for something that we

2418
01:58:30,719 --> 01:58:33,599
haven't even ever considered.

2419
01:58:33,599 --> 01:58:35,599
You can make that argument, right? Can

2420
01:58:35,599 --> 01:58:37,440
make the argument or read that code

2421
01:58:37,440 --> 01:58:40,000
provision to say that we allow for these

2422
01:58:40,000 --> 01:58:43,040
six types of parking scenarios. So I

2423
01:58:43,040 --> 01:58:44,960
it's just if you if the council wants to

2424
01:58:44,960 --> 01:58:46,880
move forward or thinks that it's you

2425
01:58:46,880 --> 01:58:50,719
know unclear, that's an option.

2426
01:58:50,719 --> 01:58:53,599
>> Can I would you consider a amendment to

2427
01:58:53,599 --> 01:58:54,639
that?

2428
01:58:54,639 --> 01:58:56,800
>> I'm not sure that she included the word

2429
01:58:56,800 --> 01:59:01,760
exception. Was that part of the motion?

2430
01:59:01,760 --> 01:59:03,760
>> No, I can't remember. Ten, did I include

2431
01:59:03,760 --> 01:59:08,070
the word exception?

2432
01:59:08,080 --> 01:59:08,560
» Sorry.

2433
01:59:08,560 --> 01:59:10,480
>> So, if the word exception is not

2434
01:59:10,480 --> 01:59:11,440
included,

2435
01:59:11,440 --> 01:59:13,119
>> I would do that. Yes.

2436
01:59:13,119 --> 01:59:16,320
>> And then would you be willing to add um

2437
01:59:16,320 --> 01:59:19,520
sweatpath analysis to ensure that

2438
01:59:19,520 --> 01:59:24,310
3.080.3

2439
01:59:24,320 --> 01:59:25,360
is met?

2440
01:59:25,360 --> 01:59:27,679
>> Yes. I like that it's founded on some

2441
01:59:27,679 --> 01:59:28,960
sort of code. So, thanks.

2442
01:59:28,960 --> 01:59:31,679
>> Okay.

2443
01:59:31,679 --> 01:59:34,560
The comment on the motion or what I was

2444
01:59:34,560 --> 01:59:36,320
going to say before is that there

2445
01:59:36,320 --> 01:59:38,080
>> Hold on just a second. So you accept

2446
01:59:38,080 --> 01:59:39,760
that motion. Who made the

2447
01:59:39,760 --> 01:59:41,280
>> She's asking for an amendment.

2448
01:59:41,280 --> 01:59:43,040
>> Seconded the motion.

2449
01:59:43,040 --> 01:59:45,199
>> Chissy. Chrissy second. Do you accept

2450
01:59:45,199 --> 01:59:45,440
that?

2451
01:59:45,440 --> 01:59:48,239
>> I accept the amendment.

2452
01:59:48,239 --> 01:59:50,400
>> The comment is the comment is this. It's

2453
01:59:50,400 --> 01:59:52,639
we're early in regards to everything

2454
01:59:52,639 --> 01:59:55,760
being brought up and we don't know if

2455
01:59:55,760 --> 01:59:57,760
the from what I'm hearing dot your tees

2456
01:59:57,760 --> 01:59:59,520
and dot your eyes. We have

2457
01:59:59,520 --> 02:00:00,960
uncertainties. I know you're trying to

2458
02:00:00,960 --> 02:00:03,360
do an exception to try to figure this

2459
02:00:03,360 --> 02:00:05,520
out. Why not just send it back to them

2460
02:00:05,520 --> 02:00:06,880
to let them figure it out and then come

2461
02:00:06,880 --> 02:00:09,599
back with a proper design?

2462
02:00:09,599 --> 02:00:21,189
I I if you if [applause] you

2463
02:00:21,199 --> 02:00:24,400
» That's a good question. Well, so

2464
02:00:24,400 --> 02:00:26,639
uh

2465
02:00:26,639 --> 02:00:28,960
anyways, that that's that was what I was

2466
02:00:28,960 --> 02:00:31,040
going to say before to make a motion.

2467
02:00:31,040 --> 02:00:32,880
Now, I've seen this done, but I don't

2468
02:00:32,880 --> 02:00:34,239
agree with it or like it where people

2469
02:00:34,239 --> 02:00:36,000
table in the middle of a motion. It sort

2470
02:00:36,000 --> 02:00:38,080
of halts everything. Are you willing to

2471
02:00:38,080 --> 02:00:41,280
do this in a way that is more

2472
02:00:41,280 --> 02:00:42,960
teamworky

2473
02:00:42,960 --> 02:00:44,719
and we can still try to

2474
02:00:44,719 --> 02:00:47,119
>> So the way to do that is there's already

2475
02:00:47,119 --> 02:00:50,080
been an amendment to the motion that's

2476
02:00:50,080 --> 02:00:53,040
been approved by the original motion and

2477
02:00:53,040 --> 02:00:55,199
it's been seconded. There's an option

2478
02:00:55,199 --> 02:00:57,040
for a second amendment but you can't do

2479
02:00:57,040 --> 02:00:58,639
more than second or no you could do a

2480
02:00:58,639 --> 02:01:01,679
substitute motion or you can table it.

2481
02:01:01,679 --> 02:01:03,440
believe that's a procedure. Otherwise,

2482
02:01:03,440 --> 02:01:05,280
we need to

2483
02:01:05,280 --> 02:01:06,159
>> um

2484
02:01:06,159 --> 02:01:07,920
>> so and then if we have just for

2485
02:01:07,920 --> 02:01:09,520
clarification

2486
02:01:09,520 --> 02:01:11,040
>> if there's a substitute motion in a

2487
02:01:11,040 --> 02:01:13,040
second, how do we vote on it? Do we vote

2488
02:01:13,040 --> 02:01:14,800
on the substitute motion first or the

2489
02:01:14,800 --> 02:01:16,239
original motion first?

2490
02:01:16,239 --> 02:01:18,560
>> Substitute first and the original.

2491
02:01:18,560 --> 02:01:20,159
>> So, did you want to make a substitute

2492
02:01:20,159 --> 02:01:20,800
motion?

2493
02:01:20,800 --> 02:01:22,400
>> Uh, sure. Uh

2494
02:01:22,400 --> 02:01:26,320
>> but okay, just to say um I had met 90%

2495
02:01:26,320 --> 02:01:28,639
of the criteria and we're down to 10%.

2496
02:01:28,639 --> 02:01:31,440
So, I'd like to limit the scope. so that

2497
02:01:31,440 --> 02:01:34,239
we're not um [clears throat]

2498
02:01:34,239 --> 02:01:36,080
>> Well, thank you for that. You can vote,

2499
02:01:36,080 --> 02:01:36,719
>> right?

2500
02:01:36,719 --> 02:01:38,000
>> I'm just letting you know that that's

2501
02:01:38,000 --> 02:01:41,840
why I would uh rather move forward with

2502
02:01:41,840 --> 02:01:42,480
90%.

2503
02:01:42,480 --> 02:01:44,320
>> Okay, so here's the substitute motion. I

2504
02:01:44,320 --> 02:01:47,280
would make a motion to deny uh the

2505
02:01:47,280 --> 02:01:49,360
proposed site plan for the new longrange

2506
02:01:49,360 --> 02:01:51,119
shooters of Utah commercial site plan

2507
02:01:51,119 --> 02:01:53,599
based on the following findings.

2508
02:01:53,599 --> 02:01:56,719
There are still parking design elements

2509
02:01:56,719 --> 02:02:02,480
and Alpine city code procedure utilizing

2510
02:02:02,480 --> 02:02:05,599
exceptions that are not followed and

2511
02:02:05,599 --> 02:02:07,760
need to be.

2512
02:02:07,760 --> 02:02:11,430
>> Is there a second?

2513
02:02:11,440 --> 02:02:14,159
The motion dies. We are now back to the

2514
02:02:14,159 --> 02:02:15,599
original motion. Did you have any

2515
02:02:15,599 --> 02:02:17,360
questions? I know you already did a

2516
02:02:17,360 --> 02:02:18,960
substitution

2517
02:02:18,960 --> 02:02:21,199
or amendment to not a substitution. I'm

2518
02:02:21,199 --> 02:02:23,360
sure amended the motion. Is there

2519
02:02:23,360 --> 02:02:25,199
anything further? Do you have a question

2520
02:02:25,199 --> 02:02:26,159
regarding the motion?

2521
02:02:26,159 --> 02:02:29,679
>> Again, during this this more information

2522
02:02:29,679 --> 02:02:31,920
has come forward. Can a table be brought

2523
02:02:31,920 --> 02:02:34,320
forward at right now?

2524
02:02:34,320 --> 02:02:36,800
>> Well, yeah, because they did it to me in

2525
02:02:36,800 --> 02:02:38,320
the middle of a motion. I learned that

2526
02:02:38,320 --> 02:02:39,760
the hard way.

2527
02:02:39,760 --> 02:02:42,000
>> Okay, then I would like to make a

2528
02:02:42,000 --> 02:02:42,719
motion.

2529
02:02:42,719 --> 02:02:44,639
>> Okay.

2530
02:02:44,639 --> 02:02:46,960
I move to table the consideration of the

2531
02:02:46,960 --> 02:02:49,599
proposed long range shooters of Utah

2532
02:02:49,599 --> 02:02:51,760
commercial site plan to allow the

2533
02:02:51,760 --> 02:02:54,400
applicant a review of alternative

2534
02:02:54,400 --> 02:02:57,840
parking. Sorry, to allow the applicant a

2535
02:02:57,840 --> 02:02:59,679
review

2536
02:02:59,679 --> 02:03:02,560
of the exceptions

2537
02:03:02,560 --> 02:03:06,709
code 3.24.030

2538
02:03:06,719 --> 02:03:09,119
governing parking lots

2539
02:03:09,119 --> 02:03:12,320
and to require a sweep path analysis of

2540
02:03:12,320 --> 02:03:16,470
3.24 24.030

2541
02:03:16,480 --> 02:03:22,310
sorry 080.3.

2542
02:03:22,320 --> 02:03:26,310
Okay. Is there a second?

2543
02:03:26,320 --> 02:03:28,800
I'll second.

2544
02:03:28,800 --> 02:03:31,679
>> It's been moved by Councilwoman Smeuan,

2545
02:03:31,679 --> 02:03:33,920
seconded by Councilwoman Blackwell to

2546
02:03:33,920 --> 02:03:37,040
table the mo um to table this.

2547
02:03:37,040 --> 02:03:38,960
Um let's proceed with the roll call

2548
02:03:38,960 --> 02:03:42,400
vote. There's not one table I missed.

2549
02:03:42,400 --> 02:03:45,599
>> There was one part I missed. So,

2550
02:03:45,599 --> 02:03:46,560
>> sorry.

2551
02:03:46,560 --> 02:03:47,920
>> Let's proceed with the roll call vote.

2552
02:03:47,920 --> 02:03:48,000
Can

2553
02:03:48,000 --> 02:03:50,000
>> I ask for one clarification? The last

2554
02:03:50,000 --> 02:03:51,280
code section.

2555
02:03:51,280 --> 02:03:54,000
>> Can you just I want to make sure

2556
02:03:54,000 --> 02:03:56,960
>> it's a section on forward motion only.

2557
02:03:56,960 --> 02:04:02,390
It's 3.24

2558
02:04:02,400 --> 02:04:04,880
3.07.080.

2559
02:04:04,880 --> 02:04:05,679
>> Yeah, that one.

2560
02:04:05,679 --> 02:04:06,080
>> Okay.

2561
02:04:06,080 --> 02:04:07,440
>> Sorry. I want to make sure it wasn't

2562
02:04:07,440 --> 02:04:08,960
324080

2563
02:04:08,960 --> 02:04:10,880
or 080

2564
02:04:10,880 --> 02:04:13,360
because that section doesn't exist.

2565
02:04:13,360 --> 02:04:14,800
>> Yeah.

2566
02:04:14,800 --> 02:04:18,320
>> Would you be open to an amendment?

2567
02:04:18,320 --> 02:04:19,840
>> No, no, no, no.

2568
02:04:19,840 --> 02:04:20,719
>> My full motion.

2569
02:04:20,719 --> 02:04:22,480
>> It's a table so you have to vote.

2570
02:04:22,480 --> 02:04:23,920
>> That's what I learned that the hard way

2571
02:04:23,920 --> 02:04:24,239
too

2572
02:04:24,239 --> 02:04:25,040
>> with no discussion.

2573
02:04:25,040 --> 02:04:26,560
>> I don't know who made this rule. It's

2574
02:04:26,560 --> 02:04:27,119
weird.

2575
02:04:27,119 --> 02:04:27,520
>> Robert,

2576
02:04:27,520 --> 02:04:29,199
>> so are we are we voting [clears throat]

2577
02:04:29,199 --> 02:04:30,480
now?

2578
02:04:30,480 --> 02:04:32,400
>> We're voting on the table.

2579
02:04:32,400 --> 02:04:34,560
>> Yes. Sarah Blackwell, yes. Chrissy

2580
02:04:34,560 --> 02:04:40,870
Hannah, no. Andrew Young. Yes.

2581
02:04:40,880 --> 02:04:43,599
» No. You got to vote on it. I would vote

2582
02:04:43,599 --> 02:04:45,280
it down and do another motion if

2583
02:04:45,280 --> 02:04:47,840
>> Jessica no. Now I have another motion to

2584
02:04:47,840 --> 02:04:49,599
table.

2585
02:04:49,599 --> 02:04:51,440
>> Wow. I didn't know you could do this.

2586
02:04:51,440 --> 02:04:54,400
>> Wait. Tie. Was that a tie?

2587
02:04:54,400 --> 02:04:54,800
>> Oh,

2588
02:04:54,800 --> 02:04:57,840
>> you get to vote. Carla,

2589
02:04:57,840 --> 02:05:01,760
>> do they Hyram, we're really working you.

2590
02:05:01,760 --> 02:05:03,040
>> Yeah. I

2591
02:05:03,040 --> 02:05:05,679
>> I'm going to say no to the table. Okay.

2592
02:05:05,679 --> 02:05:08,239
I move to table the consideration

2593
02:05:08,239 --> 02:05:10,159
of the proposed long range shooters of

2594
02:05:10,159 --> 02:05:13,199
Utah commercial site plan to the allow

2595
02:05:13,199 --> 02:05:17,280
to allow the applicant a review of the

2596
02:05:17,280 --> 02:05:19,840
de development code

2597
02:05:19,840 --> 02:05:21,840
3.2430

2598
02:05:21,840 --> 02:05:24,639
governing parking lot exceptions

2599
02:05:24,639 --> 02:05:28,239
and to provide a swept swept path

2600
02:05:28,239 --> 02:05:29,840
analysis

2601
02:05:29,840 --> 02:05:31,840
for

2602
02:05:31,840 --> 02:05:33,520
3.07.080.

2603
02:05:33,520 --> 02:05:37,030
080.3.

2604
02:05:37,040 --> 02:05:40,239
Um once applicant completes evaluation,

2605
02:05:40,239 --> 02:05:42,000
staff will return application to the

2606
02:05:42,000 --> 02:05:43,760
planning commission for review and

2607
02:05:43,760 --> 02:05:46,159
recommendation. The application shall

2608
02:05:46,159 --> 02:05:48,800
then come back to the city council upon

2609
02:05:48,800 --> 02:05:50,159
receipt of planning commission

2610
02:05:50,159 --> 02:05:52,880
supplemental motion in adherence to

2611
02:05:52,880 --> 02:05:55,360
Alpine City Development Code.

2612
02:05:55,360 --> 02:05:57,599
>> I still think you

2613
02:05:57,599 --> 02:05:59,360
>> Yeah, I don't know what it is, but I

2614
02:05:59,360 --> 02:06:01,040
feel like your code number is wrong.

2615
02:06:01,040 --> 02:06:04,400
Well, there's 307 which is BC, correct,

2616
02:06:04,400 --> 02:06:08,000
Kaden? 307 is the BC zone.

2617
02:06:08,000 --> 02:06:09,840
>> Where you getting the text from Jessica?

2618
02:06:09,840 --> 02:06:11,520
>> That's the one reference. The other is

2619
02:06:11,520 --> 02:06:13,840
the parking.

2620
02:06:13,840 --> 02:06:14,639
>> Oh,

2621
02:06:14,639 --> 02:06:16,880
>> that's what I wanted to clarify for just

2622
02:06:16,880 --> 02:06:17,440
to make sure.

2623
02:06:17,440 --> 02:06:18,880
>> Yeah, but that's the right code.

2624
02:06:18,880 --> 02:06:19,920
>> I think you got that.

2625
02:06:19,920 --> 02:06:20,800
>> Okay. Sorry, I didn't.

2626
02:06:20,800 --> 02:06:22,560
>> So, there's a motion

2627
02:06:22,560 --> 02:06:25,920
>> to table Is there a second?

2628
02:06:25,920 --> 02:06:28,159
>> I'll second that motion. It's been moved

2629
02:06:28,159 --> 02:06:29,840
by Councilwoman Smeuan, seconded by

2630
02:06:29,840 --> 02:06:32,480
Councilwoman Blackwell. Will you proceed

2631
02:06:32,480 --> 02:06:33,599
with a roll call vote?

2632
02:06:33,599 --> 02:06:35,920
>> Senator Blackwell, yes. Chrissy Hannah,

2633
02:06:35,920 --> 02:06:36,480
no.

2634
02:06:36,480 --> 02:06:37,679
>> Andrew Young, yes.

2635
02:06:37,679 --> 02:06:40,239
>> Jessica Smeuan, yes.

2636
02:06:40,239 --> 02:06:44,550
>> Okay.

2637
02:06:44,560 --> 02:06:46,639
Item D, public hearing

2638
02:06:46,639 --> 02:06:50,950
consideration for approval

2639
02:06:50,960 --> 02:06:55,679
» for Silver L Silver Leaf Plat B.

2640
02:06:55,679 --> 02:06:58,560
Do you have that one? Uh actually Kaden,

2641
02:06:58,560 --> 02:06:59,599
you have this right?

2642
02:06:59,599 --> 02:06:59,840
>> Yeah.

2643
02:06:59,840 --> 02:07:01,119
>> Do you want to do the presentation and

2644
02:07:01,119 --> 02:07:02,719
then we'll open the public hearing after

2645
02:07:02,719 --> 02:07:05,520
the presentation?

2646
02:07:05,520 --> 02:07:06,960
>> Would you send the things you were

2647
02:07:06,960 --> 02:07:09,599
trying to say? I just want to make sure

2648
02:07:09,599 --> 02:07:16,390
the public.

2649
02:07:16,400 --> 02:07:19,280
» All right. So,

2650
02:07:19,280 --> 02:07:27,857
uh Silverleaf Plat B

2651
02:07:27,867 --> 02:07:28,000
» [snorts]

2652
02:07:28,000 --> 02:07:30,560
>> This is a administrative review. Um, it

2653
02:07:30,560 --> 02:07:33,520
comprises lots 25 through 56 and is

2654
02:07:33,520 --> 02:07:35,520
located off Redpine Drive and Ridge

2655
02:07:35,520 --> 02:07:37,280
Drive to the north of Silverleaf Park

2656
02:07:37,280 --> 02:07:40,400
and northeast of Peterson Park. The

2657
02:07:40,400 --> 02:07:42,079
three roads that encompass Plat B are

2658
02:07:42,079 --> 02:07:44,079
Silverleaf Drive, Ponderosa Drive, and

2659
02:07:44,079 --> 02:07:46,079
Wood Drive. And you can see that uh

2660
02:07:46,079 --> 02:07:50,390
mapped out here below.

2661
02:07:50,400 --> 02:07:52,560
Um, so the applicant is requesting that

2662
02:07:52,560 --> 02:07:54,400
the Alpine City Council approve a new

2663
02:07:54,400 --> 02:07:57,040
plat Silverleaf Plat B amended as an

2664
02:07:57,040 --> 02:07:59,920
amendment to Silverleaf Plat B. So this

2665
02:07:59,920 --> 02:08:02,480
amended p proposes to eliminate the

2666
02:08:02,480 --> 02:08:05,199
common area that immediately abuts lots

2667
02:08:05,199 --> 02:08:07,840
28 through 44 of the plat which was

2668
02:08:07,840 --> 02:08:09,199
originally planned as a trail through

2669
02:08:09,199 --> 02:08:10,960
the area for the benefit of all owners

2670
02:08:10,960 --> 02:08:14,000
of record of serverleaf plat B and to

2671
02:08:14,000 --> 02:08:16,159
revert it to the immediate adjacent

2672
02:08:16,159 --> 02:08:18,719
property owners of lots 28 through 44

2673
02:08:18,719 --> 02:08:21,360
respectively. The highlighted blue area

2674
02:08:21,360 --> 02:08:24,400
shows the common area described.

2675
02:08:24,400 --> 02:08:27,840
So you can see it. Um these are Silverly

2676
02:08:27,840 --> 02:08:30,480
plot B is this roughly where I'm showing

2677
02:08:30,480 --> 02:08:33,119
with my cursor. So you can see the trail

2678
02:08:33,119 --> 02:08:36,800
goes behind those properties

2679
02:08:36,800 --> 02:08:39,360
and in between uh these two properties

2680
02:08:39,360 --> 02:08:40,719
here and then goes down behind the

2681
02:08:40,719 --> 02:08:44,000
properties and across the road to the

2682
02:08:44,000 --> 02:08:47,360
east side of lot 28. So lot 28 starts

2683
02:08:47,360 --> 02:08:49,360
down here and lot 44 is this one right

2684
02:08:49,360 --> 02:08:52,790
here.

2685
02:08:52,800 --> 02:08:56,159
So under Utah code 102812, the city

2686
02:08:56,159 --> 02:08:58,239
council may approve the amendment of a

2687
02:08:58,239 --> 02:09:00,000
plat if they find that there is good

2688
02:09:00,000 --> 02:09:02,560
cause for the vacation or amendment and

2689
02:09:02,560 --> 02:09:04,639
no public street or municipal utility

2690
02:09:04,639 --> 02:09:06,960
easement has been vacated or amended. So

2691
02:09:06,960 --> 02:09:09,360
in this case, there's no uh public

2692
02:09:09,360 --> 02:09:12,079
street that's being vacated or amended.

2693
02:09:12,079 --> 02:09:13,840
Um the common area on the east side of

2694
02:09:13,840 --> 02:09:17,360
lot 28 right here uh has a city water

2695
02:09:17,360 --> 02:09:20,639
line and storm drain line and is used by

2696
02:09:20,639 --> 02:09:23,679
the city to access the silverleaf well.

2697
02:09:23,679 --> 02:09:25,520
So the city would request that this area

2698
02:09:25,520 --> 02:09:27,360
be dedicated as a municipal utility

2699
02:09:27,360 --> 02:09:30,079
easement uh alongside being dedicated as

2700
02:09:30,079 --> 02:09:32,320
a public utility easement if the plat's

2701
02:09:32,320 --> 02:09:34,639
approved um so that the infrastructure

2702
02:09:34,639 --> 02:09:38,079
can continue to be accessed.

2703
02:09:38,079 --> 02:09:41,280
Um, so ne neither the Utah state code

2704
02:09:41,280 --> 02:09:42,800
nor the Alpine Development Code define

2705
02:09:42,800 --> 02:09:44,719
the term good cause for purposes of a

2706
02:09:44,719 --> 02:09:47,520
plat amendment. So whether good cause

2707
02:09:47,520 --> 02:09:49,360
exists is determined on a case-by case

2708
02:09:49,360 --> 02:09:51,520
basis by the land use authority, which

2709
02:09:51,520 --> 02:09:54,480
is you, uh, based on the specific facts

2710
02:09:54,480 --> 02:09:57,119
and circumstances of each request. The

2711
02:09:57,119 --> 02:09:58,960
land use authority retains discretion to

2712
02:09:58,960 --> 02:10:00,960
evaluate each request and may consider

2713
02:10:00,960 --> 02:10:02,719
any facts or circumstances it deems

2714
02:10:02,719 --> 02:10:04,159
relevant in determining whether good

2715
02:10:04,159 --> 02:10:06,960
cause has been established.

2716
02:10:06,960 --> 02:10:09,679
Uh so some reasons there might be good

2717
02:10:09,679 --> 02:10:13,520
cause is the existing common area trail

2718
02:10:13,520 --> 02:10:15,360
that is shown above is not very

2719
02:10:15,360 --> 02:10:17,119
accessible due to overgrowth and lack of

2720
02:10:17,119 --> 02:10:21,119
maintenance. Um the elimination of of

2721
02:10:21,119 --> 02:10:22,960
that common area could help resolve

2722
02:10:22,960 --> 02:10:25,520
long-standing ownership questions as it

2723
02:10:25,520 --> 02:10:26,960
would revert to the property owners

2724
02:10:26,960 --> 02:10:28,960
immediately adjacent

2725
02:10:28,960 --> 02:10:31,520
and the elimination of that common area

2726
02:10:31,520 --> 02:10:33,360
could allow more practical use of the

2727
02:10:33,360 --> 02:10:36,079
land. Um there's some reasons that might

2728
02:10:36,079 --> 02:10:37,360
there might not be good cause for the

2729
02:10:37,360 --> 02:10:39,119
amendment. Uh that would be the common

2730
02:10:39,119 --> 02:10:41,520
area would be eliminated. All lots on

2731
02:10:41,520 --> 02:10:43,520
the plat would lose a granted amenity

2732
02:10:43,520 --> 02:10:45,199
that was granted when the original

2733
02:10:45,199 --> 02:10:48,079
subdivision was approved. Um and then

2734
02:10:48,079 --> 02:10:51,520
lots 25 through 27 for and 45 through 56

2735
02:10:51,520 --> 02:10:54,159
would gain no real property. So the

2736
02:10:54,159 --> 02:10:55,679
reasons stated above are not meant to be

2737
02:10:55,679 --> 02:10:58,480
a comprehensive list of reasons either

2738
02:10:58,480 --> 02:11:00,239
for or against finding good cause, but

2739
02:11:00,239 --> 02:11:03,119
are just some examples.

2740
02:11:03,119 --> 02:11:04,960
And as I said before, if approved, the

2741
02:11:04,960 --> 02:11:07,199
amended plat uh may not be submitted.

2742
02:11:07,199 --> 02:11:08,639
Oh, the amended plot may not be

2743
02:11:08,639 --> 02:11:09,920
submitted to the county recorder for

2744
02:11:09,920 --> 02:11:11,920
recording unless it's signed by the land

2745
02:11:11,920 --> 02:11:14,079
use authority and each owner of record

2746
02:11:14,079 --> 02:11:16,800
of Silverleaf Plat B, which they are

2747
02:11:16,800 --> 02:11:18,239
just about there. There's mentioning

2748
02:11:18,239 --> 02:11:21,760
just one person that's on vacation.

2749
02:11:21,760 --> 02:11:23,360
Um,

2750
02:11:23,360 --> 02:11:25,920
so a public hearing was required um

2751
02:11:25,920 --> 02:11:28,239
because not everyone has signed just yet

2752
02:11:28,239 --> 02:11:29,599
and so that's why we're holding a public

2753
02:11:29,599 --> 02:11:34,239
hearing for this item and the staff

2754
02:11:34,239 --> 02:11:35,840
recommendation would be that the city

2755
02:11:35,840 --> 02:11:37,599
council evaluate and consider the

2756
02:11:37,599 --> 02:11:39,119
proposed subdivision amendment and

2757
02:11:39,119 --> 02:11:40,639
determine if there is a finding of good

2758
02:11:40,639 --> 02:11:43,440
cause for the amended plat. If the

2759
02:11:43,440 --> 02:11:45,599
council approves the amended plat, um,

2760
02:11:45,599 --> 02:11:47,280
as I mentioned above, the staff would

2761
02:11:47,280 --> 02:11:49,280
recommend that the recorded plat include

2762
02:11:49,280 --> 02:11:51,440
a note for a 20 foot municipal utility

2763
02:11:51,440 --> 02:11:52,960
easement with the proposed public

2764
02:11:52,960 --> 02:11:54,800
utility easement on the east side

2765
02:11:54,800 --> 02:11:57,520
property line of lot 28 for continued

2766
02:11:57,520 --> 02:12:00,639
city access, which is again right here.

2767
02:12:00,639 --> 02:12:04,480
The city currently uses this for access.

2768
02:12:04,480 --> 02:12:08,000
So that is the staff recommendation.

2769
02:12:08,000 --> 02:12:09,679
>> Kaden, just would you back up just a

2770
02:12:09,679 --> 02:12:12,000
hair because Yeah. Would you just so I

2771
02:12:12,000 --> 02:12:15,679
understand uh clearly where the city

2772
02:12:15,679 --> 02:12:16,880
easements are? I know you said the one.

2773
02:12:16,880 --> 02:12:19,280
Are there two or just the one?

2774
02:12:19,280 --> 02:12:21,040
>> So there's currently no

2775
02:12:21,040 --> 02:12:23,760
>> go if you go back to the uh this map

2776
02:12:23,760 --> 02:12:24,159
right here.

2777
02:12:24,159 --> 02:12:25,599
>> We're just talking about that bottom

2778
02:12:25,599 --> 02:12:27,119
piece that the city would still need to

2779
02:12:27,119 --> 02:12:28,719
maintain access of. Is that correct?

2780
02:12:28,719 --> 02:12:29,280
>> That's correct.

2781
02:12:29,280 --> 02:12:31,040
>> There's no other part of it that the

2782
02:12:31,040 --> 02:12:32,880
city would need access for for any

2783
02:12:32,880 --> 02:12:35,199
infrastructure or anything. Is am I and

2784
02:12:35,199 --> 02:12:36,320
I know we're getting a question. I just

2785
02:12:36,320 --> 02:12:37,040
didn't know what you're going to

2786
02:12:37,040 --> 02:12:38,079
>> I think Shane can speak to that better

2787
02:12:38,079 --> 02:12:38,719
than me probably.

2788
02:12:38,719 --> 02:12:42,560
>> Yeah. Just one other thing. when the power was ran for the

2789
02:12:42,560 --> 02:12:45,360
Silverleaf well, it went in that trell

2790
02:12:45,360 --> 02:12:48,079
alignment kind of uh where that is that

2791
02:12:48,079 --> 02:12:48,800
28.

2792
02:12:48,800 --> 02:12:49,360
>> Yeah, right.

2793
02:12:49,360 --> 02:12:53,040
>> Right there. So, it ran from the north

2794
02:12:53,040 --> 02:12:55,119
along that blue strip. I can't remember

2795
02:12:55,119 --> 02:12:56,480
the exact alignment.

2796
02:12:56,480 --> 02:12:58,000
>> The top and the bottom.

2797
02:12:58,000 --> 02:13:00,239
>> So, it's not the city's facility. It

2798
02:13:00,239 --> 02:13:02,239
does feed the city's facility power.

2799
02:13:02,239 --> 02:13:03,280
>> Oh, but it's the electricity,

2800
02:13:03,280 --> 02:13:05,360
>> but there's a public utility easement on

2801
02:13:05,360 --> 02:13:07,679
the plat that would cover that

2802
02:13:07,679 --> 02:13:09,440
>> that power. Either way, that thing stays

2803
02:13:09,440 --> 02:13:11,920
open for the uh it's

2804
02:13:11,920 --> 02:13:14,159
>> uh I mean it's just like if you live in

2805
02:13:14,159 --> 02:13:18,560
a subdivision um for example in um

2806
02:13:18,560 --> 02:13:20,159
Chrissy's subdivision, there's public

2807
02:13:20,159 --> 02:13:21,760
utility easements around all the lots.

2808
02:13:21,760 --> 02:13:22,719
>> Yeah, I've got one in my

2809
02:13:22,719 --> 02:13:24,320
>> likely they're they don't have any

2810
02:13:24,320 --> 02:13:26,400
utilities in them except the front, but

2811
02:13:26,400 --> 02:13:28,560
they are there. So, it's like someone

2812
02:13:28,560 --> 02:13:31,520
could landscape over this all that

2813
02:13:31,520 --> 02:13:34,000
>> just not build structures. Yeah. Yeah.

2814
02:13:34,000 --> 02:13:35,280
>> It's good. Thank you for that

2815
02:13:35,280 --> 02:13:38,629
clarification.

2816
02:13:38,639 --> 02:13:39,679
I didn't mean to cut you off.

2817
02:13:39,679 --> 02:13:41,040
>> No, you're good. Actually, that was the

2818
02:13:41,040 --> 02:13:42,880
end of of my presentation, so I'll turn

2819
02:13:42,880 --> 02:13:45,920
it back over to the mayor.

2820
02:13:45,920 --> 02:13:49,440
>> Okay, with that, I will open up a public

2821
02:13:49,440 --> 02:13:53,040
hearing. This is open to anybody who

2822
02:13:53,040 --> 02:13:55,040
would like to make a comment regarding

2823
02:13:55,040 --> 02:13:59,562
this agenda item, which is um

2824
02:13:59,562 --> 02:14:00,239
[clears throat]

2825
02:14:00,239 --> 02:14:01,840
the plat amendment that has been

2826
02:14:01,840 --> 02:14:03,679
proposed um based on the presentation

2827
02:14:03,679 --> 02:14:06,000
that Kaden just gave. So, when you come

2828
02:14:06,000 --> 02:14:07,840
up, if you can state your first and last

2829
02:14:07,840 --> 02:14:09,840
name and the name of the street that you

2830
02:14:09,840 --> 02:14:11,920
live on, and you'll have three minutes

2831
02:14:11,920 --> 02:14:13,679
or up to three minutes to make a

2832
02:14:13,679 --> 02:14:19,430
comment. So,

2833
02:14:19,440 --> 02:14:21,199
» good evening. My name is Mark Harris. I

2834
02:14:21,199 --> 02:14:23,920
live at 375 Wood Drive, which is

2835
02:14:23,920 --> 02:14:27,119
directly adjacent to this property. I

2836
02:14:27,119 --> 02:14:29,199
think it's lot 30, but I'm not positive.

2837
02:14:29,199 --> 02:14:31,520
That's my lot number. So, I've lived in

2838
02:14:31,520 --> 02:14:33,840
this house for 21 years. And when my

2839
02:14:33,840 --> 02:14:35,679
children were little, I really enjoyed

2840
02:14:35,679 --> 02:14:37,520
that that was a city trail. We used it

2841
02:14:37,520 --> 02:14:39,440
quite a bit and it was great to have it

2842
02:14:39,440 --> 02:14:41,360
there. Over the years, as the city has

2843
02:14:41,360 --> 02:14:42,880
sort of abandoned that as part of the

2844
02:14:42,880 --> 02:14:44,719
trail system, that whole trail has

2845
02:14:44,719 --> 02:14:47,360
become extremely overgrown. You can no

2846
02:14:47,360 --> 02:14:49,760
longer access the part of the trail that

2847
02:14:49,760 --> 02:14:53,280
we normally use to go from wood down to

2848
02:14:53,280 --> 02:14:56,719
red pine. So, at this point, the trail

2849
02:14:56,719 --> 02:14:58,639
has become completely overgrown despite

2850
02:14:58,639 --> 02:15:00,639
the the residents best efforts at

2851
02:15:00,639 --> 02:15:02,480
keeping the parts behind their lots

2852
02:15:02,480 --> 02:15:05,360
clear. It is a losing battle. I've mowed

2853
02:15:05,360 --> 02:15:08,320
that so many times that uh I just can't

2854
02:15:08,320 --> 02:15:10,159
keep the weeds down on that. And it has

2855
02:15:10,159 --> 02:15:12,400
become, I think, a fire hazard for us

2856
02:15:12,400 --> 02:15:15,119
who back up to that property. And other

2857
02:15:15,119 --> 02:15:16,960
uses of the trail have now become very

2858
02:15:16,960 --> 02:15:18,800
popular. There are ATVs, there are

2859
02:15:18,800 --> 02:15:20,960
snowmobiles, there are people using

2860
02:15:20,960 --> 02:15:22,800
motorized equipment on parts of that

2861
02:15:22,800 --> 02:15:24,880
trail that it was never intended for.

2862
02:15:24,880 --> 02:15:26,960
And being that I am directly on that

2863
02:15:26,960 --> 02:15:30,000
trail, I hear all that in the morning

2864
02:15:30,000 --> 02:15:34,239
and up to midnight and later. So, I am I

2865
02:15:34,239 --> 02:15:36,159
understand that as homeowners, we

2866
02:15:36,159 --> 02:15:38,000
benefit from the city granting the

2867
02:15:38,000 --> 02:15:39,840
proposal to return those lots to the

2868
02:15:39,840 --> 02:15:42,320
homeowners, but I am definitely in

2869
02:15:42,320 --> 02:15:44,159
support of that because it would allow

2870
02:15:44,159 --> 02:15:46,560
me finally to use that for something

2871
02:15:46,560 --> 02:15:49,280
productive and not have uses off that

2872
02:15:49,280 --> 02:15:51,920
property behind me that I think no one

2873
02:15:51,920 --> 02:15:54,159
wants in the city and certainly no one

2874
02:15:54,159 --> 02:15:56,400
wants at 11:00, 12:00 at night when

2875
02:15:56,400 --> 02:15:58,480
there are ATVs and other vehicles on the

2876
02:15:58,480 --> 02:16:00,960
trail behind us. So, I'd appreciate your

2877
02:16:00,960 --> 02:16:02,800
consideration of it. I believe all of

2878
02:16:02,800 --> 02:16:04,400
the homeowners, all of us that own

2879
02:16:04,400 --> 02:16:05,840
property along that trail are in

2880
02:16:05,840 --> 02:16:07,599
agreement. As was said, there's one

2881
02:16:07,599 --> 02:16:09,920
person that has left to sign, but my

2882
02:16:09,920 --> 02:16:12,880
understanding is we're all in agreement.

2883
02:16:12,880 --> 02:16:14,480
We would like to see that trail returned

2884
02:16:14,480 --> 02:16:16,719
to the owners. Thank you.

2885
02:16:16,719 --> 02:16:18,960
>> That's helpful. Would you would you

2886
02:16:18,960 --> 02:16:21,920
circle what lot he was so I know

2887
02:16:21,920 --> 02:16:24,480
>> could you potentially help guide me to

2888
02:16:24,480 --> 02:16:29,840
>> Yes. I am the third house off of

2889
02:16:29,840 --> 02:16:31,440
wood

2890
02:16:31,440 --> 02:16:32,080
>> on the on the

2891
02:16:32,080 --> 02:16:34,080
>> Is it this one right here?

2892
02:16:34,080 --> 02:16:36,000
>> On the trail side. Okay. So, that's like

2893
02:16:36,000 --> 02:16:37,760
the opening that that most people would

2894
02:16:37,760 --> 02:16:39,679
enter it and it's pretty wide.

2895
02:16:39,679 --> 02:16:42,639
>> I'm third house in

2896
02:16:42,639 --> 02:16:44,240
>> it like goes it like goes up a hill,

2897
02:16:44,240 --> 02:16:45,840
right? You're kind of on the hill. Okay,

2898
02:16:45,840 --> 02:16:55,990
I understand. Yeah. Okay.

2899
02:16:56,000 --> 02:16:58,319
My name is Jennifer Smith. I live at 395

2900
02:16:58,319 --> 02:17:01,280
East Silverleaf Drive. My lot is 44.

2901
02:17:01,280 --> 02:17:04,800
It's the first one. And

2902
02:17:04,800 --> 02:17:06,399
um my purpose of coming up here is to

2903
02:17:06,399 --> 02:17:09,519
explain to the council members that the

2904
02:17:09,519 --> 02:17:12,639
trail that's on the official map or the

2905
02:17:12,639 --> 02:17:15,439
common space area is not where the

2906
02:17:15,439 --> 02:17:20,479
actual trail was located. So where the

2907
02:17:20,479 --> 02:17:24,399
trail was used for 30 years is now

2908
02:17:24,399 --> 02:17:27,280
blocked by a fence because we had a new

2909
02:17:27,280 --> 02:17:29,679
homeowner come in and take his the

2910
02:17:29,679 --> 02:17:32,800
property. So the trail that was was

2911
02:17:32,800 --> 02:17:35,280
behind my house is now blocked and the

2912
02:17:35,280 --> 02:17:38,479
trail that could be there is now runs

2913
02:17:38,479 --> 02:17:42,549
into my neighbor's fence.

2914
02:17:42,559 --> 02:17:45,920
No, no one here. Someone the lot next to

2915
02:17:45,920 --> 02:17:49,679
me. He because the trail

2916
02:17:49,679 --> 02:17:51,359
is not where the common space is. The

2917
02:17:51,359 --> 02:17:54,000
map and the actual trail is different.

2918
02:17:54,000 --> 02:17:57,519
So it's there is no way to get through

2919
02:17:57,519 --> 02:17:59,920
the trail. Now if you wanted to, you

2920
02:17:59,920 --> 02:18:04,160
would be tearing down someone's fence.

2921
02:18:04,160 --> 02:18:08,000
So um that's just my point that I wanted

2922
02:18:08,000 --> 02:18:09,519
to make. I reached out to all the city

2923
02:18:09,519 --> 02:18:12,000
council members. I had um Brent Rummler

2924
02:18:12,000 --> 02:18:14,080
come and walk the trail with me so I

2925
02:18:14,080 --> 02:18:15,760
could before you voted on it. I wanted

2926
02:18:15,760 --> 02:18:17,599
you to come and see it. I talked to

2927
02:18:17,599 --> 02:18:20,719
Andrew on the phone and I've talked to

2928
02:18:20,719 --> 02:18:23,120
um Jessica briefly but not you didn't

2929
02:18:23,120 --> 02:18:24,960
get a chance to come see it. Jessica

2930
02:18:24,960 --> 02:18:27,439
come and walked it with or Sarah, excuse

2931
02:18:27,439 --> 02:18:31,599
me, before the fences went up, but Brent

2932
02:18:31,599 --> 02:18:33,760
has seen it with the fences up. And so I

2933
02:18:33,760 --> 02:18:36,240
appreciated his time to come and

2934
02:18:36,240 --> 02:18:38,479
actually see what the issue is that

2935
02:18:38,479 --> 02:18:40,800
we're dealing with. And I also want to

2936
02:18:40,800 --> 02:18:42,000
point out that if it doesn't get

2937
02:18:42,000 --> 02:18:44,559
approved, it's status quo, which is kind

2938
02:18:44,559 --> 02:18:47,200
of a headache for all the land owners

2939
02:18:47,200 --> 02:18:50,319
along that common area.

2940
02:18:50,319 --> 02:18:51,760
>> Really quick before she leaves, you

2941
02:18:51,760 --> 02:18:53,439
expressed the problem with the trail

2942
02:18:53,439 --> 02:18:54,719
being but you didn't express your

2943
02:18:54,719 --> 02:18:59,200
opinion on this this uh agenda item. My

2944
02:18:59,200 --> 02:19:01,679
that we acquire the land that it be

2945
02:19:01,679 --> 02:19:03,599
amended to the property owner so that I

2946
02:19:03,599 --> 02:19:07,439
don't have 20 feet of unusable property

2947
02:19:07,439 --> 02:19:09,359
that literally goes to nowhere.

2948
02:19:09,359 --> 02:19:14,309
>> Okay. Thank you. Appreciate it.

2949
02:19:14,319 --> 02:19:21,589
» Okay.

2950
02:19:21,599 --> 02:19:24,319
My name is Scott Ross. I live on 315

2951
02:19:24,319 --> 02:19:29,920
Wood Drive. Um, so we've lived uh

2952
02:19:29,920 --> 02:19:34,960
there for 26 years and um so anyway, so

2953
02:19:34,960 --> 02:19:37,519
yeah, I mean it's it's been kind of a

2954
02:19:37,519 --> 02:19:42,080
what is this for 30 years. Uh originally

2955
02:19:42,080 --> 02:19:44,000
we were all told when we bought in that

2956
02:19:44,000 --> 02:19:47,439
it was going to be um a city trail, but

2957
02:19:47,439 --> 02:19:50,560
it never was. It was common space. And

2958
02:19:50,560 --> 02:19:52,640
so as this whole thing has kind of

2959
02:19:52,640 --> 02:19:55,280
played out, we've realized, hey, this is

2960
02:19:55,280 --> 02:19:57,520
common space and we could actually do

2961
02:19:57,520 --> 02:19:59,840
something with it. I've gone through the

2962
02:19:59,840 --> 02:20:02,080
neighborhood. We've talked about it with

2963
02:20:02,080 --> 02:20:03,840
all the neighbors, even the neighbors on

2964
02:20:03,840 --> 02:20:07,840
the interior. Um, obviously I'm also

2965
02:20:07,840 --> 02:20:10,560
above the trail, right? Most of us that

2966
02:20:10,560 --> 02:20:14,640
are here above the trail. Um but we're

2967
02:20:14,640 --> 02:20:17,840
yeah everybody is in agreement to allow

2968
02:20:17,840 --> 02:20:20,880
those that abut the trail to envelop

2969
02:20:20,880 --> 02:20:24,479
that into their lot. um to the point of

2970
02:20:24,479 --> 02:20:26,399
public utility. I mean, we've gone

2971
02:20:26,399 --> 02:20:29,359
through had a surveyor come through,

2972
02:20:29,359 --> 02:20:31,920
redesign it, show that there is public

2973
02:20:31,920 --> 02:20:34,399
utility uh easement on there, right?

2974
02:20:34,399 --> 02:20:36,880
Everybody has at least 10 ft all around

2975
02:20:36,880 --> 02:20:39,600
each property, each lot, you know, on

2976
02:20:39,600 --> 02:20:42,240
the front, on the sides, and the back.

2977
02:20:42,240 --> 02:20:48,080
um number 28 I believe it is the uh yeah

2978
02:20:48,080 --> 02:20:51,200
he does know that the city uses that to

2979
02:20:51,200 --> 02:20:58,319
uh access the well pump. Um so I know he he understands that he needs to come

2980
02:20:58,319 --> 02:20:59,920
and figure that out. Right.

2981
02:20:59,920 --> 02:21:02,880
>> Do we have a written easement a written

2982
02:21:02,880 --> 02:21:06,880
utility easement for adjacent to lot 28?

2983
02:21:06,880 --> 02:21:07,280
So

2984
02:21:07,280 --> 02:21:09,120
>> I know we have a prescriptive on it

2985
02:21:09,120 --> 02:21:11,840
because we and it's infrastructure but I

2986
02:21:11,840 --> 02:21:13,439
would feel much more comfortable if

2987
02:21:13,439 --> 02:21:15,439
there was a recorded easement so

2988
02:21:15,439 --> 02:21:16,640
>> for the infrastructure.

2989
02:21:16,640 --> 02:21:18,319
>> So that will be on the plat.

2990
02:21:18,319 --> 02:21:18,720
>> Okay.

2991
02:21:18,720 --> 02:21:21,600
>> So it goes back to I mean for many many

2992
02:21:21,600 --> 02:21:24,399
years the city understood they own this

2993
02:21:24,399 --> 02:21:26,720
property and so when there's a need to

2994
02:21:26,720 --> 02:21:29,359
put a water line in there and a storm

2995
02:21:29,359 --> 02:21:31,520
drain they did it thinking that it was

2996
02:21:31,520 --> 02:21:33,840
their property. But then when it came

2997
02:21:33,840 --> 02:21:36,560
down to it many years later, you know,

2998
02:21:36,560 --> 02:21:39,120
20 plus years later, it was found that

2999
02:21:39,120 --> 02:21:41,840
it was not city property. So

3000
02:21:41,840 --> 02:21:45,680
>> So was that a public accessible trail

3001
02:21:45,680 --> 02:21:50,230
for more than 20 years?

3002
02:21:50,240 --> 02:21:51,200
» Um

3003
02:21:51,200 --> 02:21:52,880
>> I thought it was abandoned right before

3004
02:21:52,880 --> 02:21:54,000
the 20 years.

3005
02:21:54,000 --> 02:21:55,760
>> Well,

3006
02:21:55,760 --> 02:21:58,160
that might take some legal because

3007
02:21:58,160 --> 02:22:00,800
>> because I mean there's grounds.

3008
02:22:00,800 --> 02:22:03,120
>> Yeah.

3009
02:22:03,120 --> 02:22:04,240
Do you understand what I'm saying,

3010
02:22:04,240 --> 02:22:07,200
Hyram?

3011
02:22:07,200 --> 02:22:09,040
>> I think you're saying that if you meet

3012
02:22:09,040 --> 02:22:11,520
the 20 years under prescription, is it

3013
02:22:11,520 --> 02:22:13,359
city property? Is that what you're

3014
02:22:13,359 --> 02:22:14,319
saying?

3015
02:22:14,319 --> 02:22:17,120
>> Not city property, but open access. It's

3016
02:22:17,120 --> 02:22:21,040
a corridor, a public access for more

3017
02:22:21,040 --> 02:22:23,120
than 20 years.

3018
02:22:23,120 --> 02:22:26,000
So there's a public thoroughfare

3019
02:22:26,000 --> 02:22:30,960
ordinance or code um that arguably

3020
02:22:30,960 --> 02:22:33,040
contemplates trails that's 10 year

3021
02:22:33,040 --> 02:22:34,880
that's a 10ear standard under Utah code

3022
02:22:34,880 --> 02:22:36,080
not not actually

3023
02:22:36,080 --> 02:22:39,120
>> road is 10 years but for trails it's 20

3024
02:22:39,120 --> 02:22:41,359
years

3025
02:22:41,359 --> 02:22:43,120
>> yeah I'd have to look at the the state

3026
02:22:43,120 --> 02:22:44,800
code on that but yeah for prescription

3027
02:22:44,800 --> 02:22:48,160
certainly it's 20 years as well

3028
02:22:48,160 --> 02:22:49,760
>> that's the only reason I asked what the

3029
02:22:49,760 --> 02:22:52,960
timeline was my understanding was that

3030
02:22:52,960 --> 02:22:55,920
the city realized that it was it that it

3031
02:22:55,920 --> 02:22:58,000
the way that it was recorded that it

3032
02:22:58,000 --> 02:23:00,319
wasn't ours

3033
02:23:00,319 --> 02:23:02,160
and that that

3034
02:23:02,160 --> 02:23:04,479
>> I thought was less than 20 years. I

3035
02:23:04,479 --> 02:23:06,800
guess I I would like clarification on

3036
02:23:06,800 --> 02:23:08,560
that.

3037
02:23:08,560 --> 02:23:10,479
>> Yeah, we'd have to look at the timeline

3038
02:23:10,479 --> 02:23:12,399
closer on that.

3039
02:23:12,399 --> 02:23:15,590
>> Okay.

3040
02:23:15,600 --> 02:23:19,600
But nonetheless, it sounds like

3041
02:23:19,600 --> 02:23:21,680
the access to the trail has been cut off

3042
02:23:21,680 --> 02:23:25,439
completely unless we're willing to

3043
02:23:25,439 --> 02:23:27,760
>> Yeah. Okay. Sorry about that. That was a

3044
02:23:27,760 --> 02:23:30,880
complete tangent. Sorry. Um, was there

3045
02:23:30,880 --> 02:23:32,240
any other comment that you wanted to

3046
02:23:32,240 --> 02:23:32,800
make?

3047
02:23:32,800 --> 02:23:38,160
>> Well, yeah. So, so I mean we've gone

3048
02:23:38,160 --> 02:23:41,120
through quite a quite a lengthy process

3049
02:23:41,120 --> 02:23:44,640
actually to try to get this all,

3050
02:23:44,640 --> 02:23:47,200
you know, square with all the residents

3051
02:23:47,200 --> 02:23:50,000
there. Um,

3052
02:23:50,000 --> 02:23:52,880
yes, you know, at the beginning

3053
02:23:52,880 --> 02:23:55,120
everybody thought it was some type of

3054
02:23:55,120 --> 02:23:59,200
trail whether it was city or not. Nobody

3055
02:23:59,200 --> 02:24:02,479
knew. City never took care of it. Um,

3056
02:24:02,479 --> 02:24:05,200
but maybe the first year or two I think

3057
02:24:05,200 --> 02:24:07,120
some road base was put down and I don't

3058
02:24:07,120 --> 02:24:09,439
know if Taylor Holmes did that when it

3059
02:24:09,439 --> 02:24:13,520
was first first done but other than that

3060
02:24:13,520 --> 02:24:16,160
um I mean the problem is is especially

3061
02:24:16,160 --> 02:24:18,080
when you're looking at behind River

3062
02:24:18,080 --> 02:24:20,960
Meadows development behind the whole

3063
02:24:20,960 --> 02:24:24,319
thing was not laid out properly. It was

3064
02:24:24,319 --> 02:24:26,240
uh you know there's even like a storm

3065
02:24:26,240 --> 02:24:28,319
drain that goes through there and now

3066
02:24:28,319 --> 02:24:30,240
the Hawthornes have all overgrown

3067
02:24:30,240 --> 02:24:33,200
everything and then you know certain uh

3068
02:24:33,200 --> 02:24:36,000
neighbors have you know done retaining

3069
02:24:36,000 --> 02:24:38,720
walls or whatever and if we were to

3070
02:24:38,720 --> 02:24:40,240
really

3071
02:24:40,240 --> 02:24:42,240
square that all out it would it would

3072
02:24:42,240 --> 02:24:45,120
cause a massive mess. It really would.

3073
02:24:45,120 --> 02:24:47,200
So what we're trying to do is just say

3074
02:24:47,200 --> 02:24:50,160
hey let's clean this up. the neighbors

3075
02:24:50,160 --> 02:24:52,800
can take it in now. We can take care of

3076
02:24:52,800 --> 02:24:55,120
it instead of, you know, I've had dead

3077
02:24:55,120 --> 02:24:58,479
deer in my backyard up up there. Um

3078
02:24:58,479 --> 02:25:00,880
people have from up above have stuff

3079
02:25:00,880 --> 02:25:05,040
falling down into it. Um just debris,

3080
02:25:05,040 --> 02:25:08,000
what have you. It's just a mess. So, we

3081
02:25:08,000 --> 02:25:09,920
would like to just, hey, let's just cut

3082
02:25:09,920 --> 02:25:12,640
it out. We can take care of this and

3083
02:25:12,640 --> 02:25:15,040
everybody's in agreement. That is part

3084
02:25:15,040 --> 02:25:18,080
of Silverleaf Plat B. Um, and since it's

3085
02:25:18,080 --> 02:25:21,040
common space, you know, now that, uh,

3086
02:25:21,040 --> 02:25:22,399
you know, we've we've figured all of

3087
02:25:22,399 --> 02:25:25,359
that out with the county, um, that's

3088
02:25:25,359 --> 02:25:27,840
what the residents have spoken to.

3089
02:25:27,840 --> 02:25:30,240
>> Okay. Yeah. No, I've I've walked it last

3090
02:25:30,240 --> 02:25:32,080
summer and there are sections of it that

3091
02:25:32,080 --> 02:25:37,439
are impassible at this point. Um, now,

3092
02:25:37,439 --> 02:25:39,600
anybody else wanting to make public

3093
02:25:39,600 --> 02:25:41,520
comment?

3094
02:25:41,520 --> 02:25:43,120
If you could state your name and what

3095
02:25:43,120 --> 02:25:44,560
street you live on, sir?

3096
02:25:44,560 --> 02:25:47,840
>> Yeah, John Magnus. I live on 370 East,

3097
02:25:47,840 --> 02:25:49,760
280 South. So, I'm not in the

3098
02:25:49,760 --> 02:25:51,680
subdivision, but my property butts up

3099
02:25:51,680 --> 02:25:54,560
against it. And my property happens to

3100
02:25:54,560 --> 02:25:57,439
be that one stretch where the common

3101
02:25:57,439 --> 02:25:59,840
area is off of where it should. I mean,

3102
02:25:59,840 --> 02:26:01,359
the common area is accurate, but

3103
02:26:01,359 --> 02:26:02,720
everyone's yards and the trail and

3104
02:26:02,720 --> 02:26:04,160
everything were built out of out of

3105
02:26:04,160 --> 02:26:05,920
place partially because of the steep

3106
02:26:05,920 --> 02:26:09,120
incline, the ditch, the Hawthorne hedge

3107
02:26:09,120 --> 02:26:12,319
that's there and everything. So, um,

3108
02:26:12,319 --> 02:26:14,000
when I bought the property from Dwight

3109
02:26:14,000 --> 02:26:17,200
Tishner 9 years ago, had no, we just

3110
02:26:17,200 --> 02:26:19,920
simply had no idea that that encroached

3111
02:26:19,920 --> 02:26:22,319
on our property or our area that we had

3112
02:26:22,319 --> 02:26:25,439
developed until we uh, finished some

3113
02:26:25,439 --> 02:26:26,960
more landscaping. That was our first

3114
02:26:26,960 --> 02:26:28,479
discovery that things are out of place.

3115
02:26:28,479 --> 02:26:30,479
I realized that on my south end of my

3116
02:26:30,479 --> 02:26:32,960
yard, my property actually went 10 ft

3117
02:26:32,960 --> 02:26:35,840
across the trail, but trying to be a

3118
02:26:35,840 --> 02:26:37,520
good neighbor and things, we simply held

3119
02:26:37,520 --> 02:26:40,640
back, built our develop our developments

3120
02:26:40,640 --> 02:26:43,920
matching the trail and to maintain good

3121
02:26:43,920 --> 02:26:45,920
relationships with the neighbors. Um,

3122
02:26:45,920 --> 02:26:48,479
now I've got with this development, I

3123
02:26:48,479 --> 02:26:49,840
spoke with the neighbors, the three that

3124
02:26:49,840 --> 02:26:52,560
we butt up against, and all three had

3125
02:26:52,560 --> 02:26:54,000
said, "Hey, yeah, we recognize that

3126
02:26:54,000 --> 02:26:56,399
that's cutting 20 ft into your yard. we

3127
02:26:56,399 --> 02:26:57,920
don't want to cause that kind of

3128
02:26:57,920 --> 02:26:59,920
disruption to you in your yard. We had a

3129
02:26:59,920 --> 02:27:02,640
verbal agreement that we would uh deed

3130
02:27:02,640 --> 02:27:04,319
that appropriately once this was all

3131
02:27:04,319 --> 02:27:07,439
completed. And then uh in good faith, I

3132
02:27:07,439 --> 02:27:10,399
reached out to the um the uh surveyor

3133
02:27:10,399 --> 02:27:12,080
and let him know our plans for kind of

3134
02:27:12,080 --> 02:27:14,000
plan B once all this is done, the second

3135
02:27:14,000 --> 02:27:16,399
phase. And then I received a letter from

3136
02:27:16,399 --> 02:27:18,160
two of my neighbors saying that they

3137
02:27:18,160 --> 02:27:21,520
were going to um acquire the land,

3138
02:27:21,520 --> 02:27:23,120
require me to remove any developments

3139
02:27:23,120 --> 02:27:25,280
and press charges of press tasking if I

3140
02:27:25,280 --> 02:27:27,359
try to go anywhere near or use any of

3141
02:27:27,359 --> 02:27:29,600
that land that's going to be allocated

3142
02:27:29,600 --> 02:27:32,160
here. So that's the dilemma I'm in right

3143
02:27:32,160 --> 02:27:34,080
now is the one piece that is out of

3144
02:27:34,080 --> 02:27:35,840
place and should have been fixed 25, 30

3145
02:27:35,840 --> 02:27:39,200
years ago is now a major complication

3146
02:27:39,200 --> 02:27:40,319
for me.

3147
02:27:40,319 --> 02:27:41,760
>> Can you point out your home again? I'm

3148
02:27:41,760 --> 02:27:42,720
sorry I missed that part.

3149
02:27:42,720 --> 02:27:44,240
>> I think it's right there. Yeah, right

3150
02:27:44,240 --> 02:27:44,720
there.

3151
02:27:44,720 --> 02:27:46,399
>> The long one.

3152
02:27:46,399 --> 02:27:49,040
>> The um first person that purchased their

3153
02:27:49,040 --> 02:27:50,640
home recently and built their fence down

3154
02:27:50,640 --> 02:27:52,960
across with city approval. Uh we've come

3155
02:27:52,960 --> 02:27:54,319
to an agreement, written agreement where

3156
02:27:54,319 --> 02:27:56,160
we're going to deed that piece over. It

3157
02:27:56,160 --> 02:27:57,520
was the other two that we had a verbal

3158
02:27:57,520 --> 02:27:59,040
on that. Then they backtracked and sent

3159
02:27:59,040 --> 02:28:04,710
me a letter from their attorney. So,

3160
02:28:04,720 --> 02:28:08,319
» okay. Oh, sorry. Did you have any other

3161
02:28:08,319 --> 02:28:09,840
comments?

3162
02:28:09,840 --> 02:28:11,280
>> Nope. That's

3163
02:28:11,280 --> 02:28:12,880
>> Thank you very much. He didn't let us

3164
02:28:12,880 --> 02:28:14,560
know his opinion, though. I I would

3165
02:28:14,560 --> 02:28:16,399
really love to know what you'd like to

3166
02:28:16,399 --> 02:28:18,560
have happen in this area right behind

3167
02:28:18,560 --> 02:28:20,800
your yard if that's okay.

3168
02:28:20,800 --> 02:28:23,040
>> I'd like to have simply where my

3169
02:28:23,040 --> 02:28:25,840
existing yard is

3170
02:28:25,840 --> 02:28:27,520
stay that way. Try to have mediation

3171
02:28:27,520 --> 02:28:29,359
with these two neighbors and say, "Can

3172
02:28:29,359 --> 02:28:30,640
we come to an agreement?" But they've

3173
02:28:30,640 --> 02:28:33,520
refused mediation and simply uh don't

3174
02:28:33,520 --> 02:28:35,600
want to budge. They want me to remove,

3175
02:28:35,600 --> 02:28:37,600
you know,

3176
02:28:37,600 --> 02:28:39,520
fire pit and some other things. So,

3177
02:28:39,520 --> 02:28:40,080
>> thank you, sir.

3178
02:28:40,080 --> 02:28:41,520
>> The retaining wall. Thank you.

3179
02:28:41,520 --> 02:28:42,880
Appreciate it.

3180
02:28:42,880 --> 02:28:46,640
>> Okay. Anybody else with public comment?

3181
02:28:46,640 --> 02:28:48,880
If not, I'm going to close the public

3182
02:28:48,880 --> 02:28:51,120
hearing

3183
02:28:51,120 --> 02:28:53,600
and then um

3184
02:28:53,600 --> 02:28:55,520
does council have any questions

3185
02:28:55,520 --> 02:28:56,640
regarding this?

3186
02:28:56,640 --> 02:29:00,399
>> Yes. Okay. Is it um I guess this one's

3187
02:29:00,399 --> 02:29:02,800
maybe more for Shane, but any chance the

3188
02:29:02,800 --> 02:29:05,280
county would change or can we appeal the

3189
02:29:05,280 --> 02:29:06,720
county's ruling?

3190
02:29:06,720 --> 02:29:08,240
>> We already tried.

3191
02:29:08,240 --> 02:29:12,800
>> Okay. So, that's a no-go. Um,

3192
02:29:12,800 --> 02:29:14,560
and then how and when did we stop

3193
02:29:14,560 --> 02:29:16,560
maintaining that trail or why did we

3194
02:29:16,560 --> 02:29:19,439
stop maintaining it?

3195
02:29:19,439 --> 02:29:22,319
I think it was my understanding was when

3196
02:29:22,319 --> 02:29:26,080
we um realized that it was not

3197
02:29:26,080 --> 02:29:29,840
registered as um open space that it was

3198
02:29:29,840 --> 02:29:32,399
registered as common space

3199
02:29:32,399 --> 02:29:35,439
>> and looking um working with

3200
02:29:35,439 --> 02:29:37,920
>> Oh, I'm sorry. My head was turned. Um,

3201
02:29:37,920 --> 02:29:40,640
correct me if I'm wrong, Shane, is that

3202
02:29:40,640 --> 02:29:42,720
at some point there was something that

3203
02:29:42,720 --> 02:29:45,920
was going on, whether it was

3204
02:29:45,920 --> 02:29:48,160
installation of something and when they

3205
02:29:48,160 --> 02:29:51,680
did um more looking into

3206
02:29:51,680 --> 02:29:55,600
how that um property was designated that

3207
02:29:55,600 --> 02:29:57,920
it was common space and then according

3208
02:29:57,920 --> 02:30:01,439
to Utah state law, common space

3209
02:30:01,439 --> 02:30:04,160
is not the same thing as open space.

3210
02:30:04,160 --> 02:30:09,280
>> And um that's how that happened. it.

3211
02:30:09,280 --> 02:30:11,040
>> Mayor, what is the difference between

3212
02:30:11,040 --> 02:30:11,840
common and open space?

3213
02:30:11,840 --> 02:30:14,800
>> Common space is owned by land owner, the

3214
02:30:14,800 --> 02:30:15,920
surrounding land owners.

3215
02:30:15,920 --> 02:30:17,120
>> Okay. Like an HOA,

3216
02:30:17,120 --> 02:30:21,280
>> open space is usually city- owned and um

3217
02:30:21,280 --> 02:30:24,319
is open space. So, it's ownership is the

3218
02:30:24,319 --> 02:30:25,040
difference.

3219
02:30:25,040 --> 02:30:26,880
>> Okay. Yeah, we have one in Stone Edge.

3220
02:30:26,880 --> 02:30:29,840
>> So, since this is common space and I

3221
02:30:29,840 --> 02:30:31,439
would assume then that the property

3222
02:30:31,439 --> 02:30:33,920
owners don't pay anything for this, they

3223
02:30:33,920 --> 02:30:36,160
just acquire.

3224
02:30:36,160 --> 02:30:47,590
Okay.

3225
02:30:47,600 --> 02:30:50,560
» Sorry, my mic was off. That

3226
02:30:50,560 --> 02:30:53,760
>> the property tax on this has spread

3227
02:30:53,760 --> 02:30:55,920
throughout all the lot owners in that

3228
02:30:55,920 --> 02:30:59,680
plat which is typical of common area.

3229
02:30:59,680 --> 02:31:02,479
>> Okay, thank you for that. And so this is

3230
02:31:02,479 --> 02:31:05,120
like kind of dead in the water as far as

3231
02:31:05,120 --> 02:31:07,439
like ever becoming a city trail again.

3232
02:31:07,439 --> 02:31:08,319
Is that

3233
02:31:08,319 --> 02:31:10,880
>> Can I ask a question again? I love this

3234
02:31:10,880 --> 02:31:12,240
council because then we get new

3235
02:31:12,240 --> 02:31:15,359
information. And as Hyram just stated, I

3236
02:31:15,359 --> 02:31:17,520
actually looked up that code and that

3237
02:31:17,520 --> 02:31:20,720
code says that if in the state of Utah,

3238
02:31:20,720 --> 02:31:23,200
if a trail has been used for more than

3239
02:31:23,200 --> 02:31:26,479
10 years or for a period of 10 years,

3240
02:31:26,479 --> 02:31:28,960
that's the benchmark that you actually

3241
02:31:28,960 --> 02:31:30,960
do have a claim whether it's ever been

3242
02:31:30,960 --> 02:31:34,080
deed or not. So there is a pathway

3243
02:31:34,080 --> 02:31:36,720
legally. Um whether we've exported or

3244
02:31:36,720 --> 02:31:40,479
not, I don't know, but it does exist.

3245
02:31:40,479 --> 02:31:41,120
Thank you.

3246
02:31:41,120 --> 02:31:43,120
>> Yeah. And then I do have an answer. I

3247
02:31:43,120 --> 02:31:46,800
sent Kaden the original plat. We um

3248
02:31:46,800 --> 02:31:50,240
adopted that trail in 2004 as a city. So

3249
02:31:50,240 --> 02:31:52,960
we have had it on our trail master plan

3250
02:31:52,960 --> 02:31:56,960
from 2004 until 2020 when the trail was

3251
02:31:56,960 --> 02:31:59,439
legally removed. So that would be a

3252
02:31:59,439 --> 02:32:02,399
16-year record of it being part of our

3253
02:32:02,399 --> 02:32:04,880
master plan and used by the public. I

3254
02:32:04,880 --> 02:32:07,120
mean, I used it

3255
02:32:07,120 --> 02:32:08,720
I would say definitely for more than 10

3256
02:32:08,720 --> 02:32:09,280
years.

3257
02:32:09,280 --> 02:32:12,000
>> Yeah. Thank you, Jessica. Yeah, I guess

3258
02:32:12,000 --> 02:32:14,160
I'm of the opinion that if there is even

3259
02:32:14,160 --> 02:32:17,120
still a sliver of hope that it could,

3260
02:32:17,120 --> 02:32:19,120
you know, I I would at least be worth

3261
02:32:19,120 --> 02:32:24,160
exploring that option. But yeah, that's

3262
02:32:24,160 --> 02:32:26,880
>> okay. With that stance, I I agree that

3263
02:32:26,880 --> 02:32:30,399
if we could maintain the trail, um

3264
02:32:30,399 --> 02:32:33,200
retain ownership or um even I don't know

3265
02:32:33,200 --> 02:32:34,640
if that would be an easement under the

3266
02:32:34,640 --> 02:32:37,920
10-year rule. I'm not sure. But um so

3267
02:32:37,920 --> 02:32:40,479
this head came up and then so in May of

3268
02:32:40,479 --> 02:32:42,479
2025,

3269
02:32:42,479 --> 02:32:44,640
well a year before that I I know way

3270
02:32:44,640 --> 02:32:46,080
before a year before that I walked the

3271
02:32:46,080 --> 02:32:49,600
whole trail before that fence came up to

3272
02:32:49,600 --> 02:32:52,640
cut off um access, but I always would

3273
02:32:52,640 --> 02:32:55,439
access it from Red Pine. So can you just

3274
02:32:55,439 --> 02:32:56,880
highlight that little section? Oh, I'm

3275
02:32:56,880 --> 02:32:58,479
looking I keep looking at my computer.

3276
02:32:58,479 --> 02:33:01,920
The um the the everything west of 44.

3277
02:33:01,920 --> 02:33:04,560
See how the trail continues?

3278
02:33:04,560 --> 02:33:06,240
>> I'm sorry. to the left of

3279
02:33:06,240 --> 02:33:08,399
>> red pine rest of see that little

3280
02:33:08,399 --> 02:33:09,520
section.

3281
02:33:09,520 --> 02:33:11,439
>> So that's how I would access it. And

3282
02:33:11,439 --> 02:33:13,840
then I think you're one of you said

3283
02:33:13,840 --> 02:33:16,960
either next to number 44 or the one

3284
02:33:16,960 --> 02:33:19,840
after somebody put up a a black red iron

3285
02:33:19,840 --> 02:33:23,120
fence which I have a picture of. And so

3286
02:33:23,120 --> 02:33:25,600
um that's when the trail lost at least

3287
02:33:25,600 --> 02:33:27,840
from May 2025 is when I have a picture

3288
02:33:27,840 --> 02:33:29,840
of that fence because I was surprised to

3289
02:33:29,840 --> 02:33:31,040
see it because I'd used the trail

3290
02:33:31,040 --> 02:33:35,359
before. So, um, then as we dug into it,

3291
02:33:35,359 --> 02:33:37,520
um, I think one of our public brought up

3292
02:33:37,520 --> 02:33:39,760
the fact that the actual legal

3293
02:33:39,760 --> 02:33:42,800
description of the trail falls along a

3294
02:33:42,800 --> 02:33:45,520
very, um,

3295
02:33:45,520 --> 02:33:47,439
difficult place to maintain because it's

3296
02:33:47,439 --> 02:33:49,840
a big Hawthorne bush. There's like a

3297
02:33:49,840 --> 02:33:52,319
ditch. There's all kinds of like

3298
02:33:52,319 --> 02:33:55,040
obstacles from walking freely along the

3299
02:33:55,040 --> 02:33:58,160
trail. that is according to the plat is

3300
02:33:58,160 --> 02:34:00,800
what I understood that that truly the

3301
02:34:00,800 --> 02:34:03,760
land that was identified as common space

3302
02:34:03,760 --> 02:34:07,359
is occupied by a lot of shrubbery and

3303
02:34:07,359 --> 02:34:09,439
obstacles to maintain the path.

3304
02:34:09,439 --> 02:34:10,960
Therefore, for the time that the path

3305
02:34:10,960 --> 02:34:13,120
has been in existence, it's been over

3306
02:34:13,120 --> 02:34:14,800
property lines and I think one of you

3307
02:34:14,800 --> 02:34:17,600
guys have stated that. So, I'm not sure

3308
02:34:17,600 --> 02:34:20,080
how this old 10ear rule works out, but

3309
02:34:20,080 --> 02:34:23,040
should we pursue this? Um Sarah, the

3310
02:34:23,040 --> 02:34:26,319
thing that I um have been pondering is

3311
02:34:26,319 --> 02:34:28,399
should we pursue this and we actually

3312
02:34:28,399 --> 02:34:31,120
could get access to the land that has

3313
02:34:31,120 --> 02:34:33,840
been designated common space, the cost

3314
02:34:33,840 --> 02:34:36,000
to clear the land, pull out the

3315
02:34:36,000 --> 02:34:38,000
Hawthorne bushes, cover the ditch, like

3316
02:34:38,000 --> 02:34:41,600
all of that um beyond the legal expenses

3317
02:34:41,600 --> 02:34:44,080
to fall pursue it that we just need to

3318
02:34:44,080 --> 02:34:45,439
understand what we're asking of

3319
02:34:45,439 --> 02:34:47,920
ourselves, you know, because I I I think

3320
02:34:47,920 --> 02:34:49,840
it's a a wonderful trail. I think it's

3321
02:34:49,840 --> 02:34:53,200
very like one of them had talked about

3322
02:34:53,200 --> 02:34:55,439
for [snorts] the first initial years it

3323
02:34:55,439 --> 02:34:58,560
was um accessible and used by the public

3324
02:34:58,560 --> 02:35:00,800
and so it was appreciated by them but

3325
02:35:00,800 --> 02:35:03,520
now it's fallen into disrepair which has

3326
02:35:03,520 --> 02:35:05,280
now it's not accessible and it's not

3327
02:35:05,280 --> 02:35:07,840
usable. So we have a lot of hurdles to

3328
02:35:07,840 --> 02:35:10,720
overcome if we did pursue this and I

3329
02:35:10,720 --> 02:35:12,479
don't and I'm glad that it was presented

3330
02:35:12,479 --> 02:35:14,720
this way. Thank you um staff for saying

3331
02:35:14,720 --> 02:35:17,200
there's the pros and there's the cons.

3332
02:35:17,200 --> 02:35:19,359
So, um,

3333
02:35:19,359 --> 02:35:21,520
that's my where I stand and I've stood

3334
02:35:21,520 --> 02:35:24,319
at that place since May of 2025 as I

3335
02:35:24,319 --> 02:35:29,359
walked it and said, "Okay, if we could pursue this legal option,

3336
02:35:29,359 --> 02:35:31,280
what we really need is like all the

3337
02:35:31,280 --> 02:35:33,920
Hawthorne bushes like torn out and make

3338
02:35:33,920 --> 02:35:36,880
a real path." Um, because the current

3339
02:35:36,880 --> 02:35:41,040
path is on private land. Okay, that's my understanding and please

3340
02:35:41,040 --> 02:35:42,640
correct me if that's incorrect. Yeah.

3341
02:35:42,640 --> 02:35:44,080
So, for me, it's

3342
02:35:44,080 --> 02:35:45,920
>> I did have three follow-up questions

3343
02:35:45,920 --> 02:35:47,920
before you make a general statement. Is

3344
02:35:47,920 --> 02:35:48,479
that okay?

3345
02:35:48,479 --> 02:35:50,080
>> No, if I could just say I because I

3346
02:35:50,080 --> 02:35:52,160
would like to piggy back on yours is

3347
02:35:52,160 --> 02:35:53,600
because I've looked at this. You know, I

3348
02:35:53,600 --> 02:35:55,439
moved into this neighborhood close by

3349
02:35:55,439 --> 02:35:58,479
here in 99, right? And I would have to

3350
02:35:58,479 --> 02:36:00,160
agree it was used a lot when it was

3351
02:36:00,160 --> 02:36:02,880
first opened and I think it was cleared.

3352
02:36:02,880 --> 02:36:05,359
I mean, if you go on any of the trails

3353
02:36:05,359 --> 02:36:07,359
in Alpine, the ones that are used

3354
02:36:07,359 --> 02:36:10,240
maintain itself, right? And if there is

3355
02:36:10,240 --> 02:36:12,240
disrepair, people that use it kind of go

3356
02:36:12,240 --> 02:36:14,640
in and repair it. What I've noticed with

3357
02:36:14,640 --> 02:36:17,840
this trail, I was surprised

3358
02:36:17,840 --> 02:36:20,000
um the last couple of times I went to go

3359
02:36:20,000 --> 02:36:22,960
check on this trail, the overgrowth. And

3360
02:36:22,960 --> 02:36:25,680
what that tells me is not enough people

3361
02:36:25,680 --> 02:36:30,640
have used that trail to keep it a trail,

3362
02:36:30,640 --> 02:36:33,680
>> if that makes sense. And so that was

3363
02:36:33,680 --> 02:36:35,840
part of it, too. And when we did try to

3364
02:36:35,840 --> 02:36:38,560
go um with the county and work with the

3365
02:36:38,560 --> 02:36:40,080
county to make that happen and they're

3366
02:36:40,080 --> 02:36:42,399
like, "Nope, that's not it." Um I do

3367
02:36:42,399 --> 02:36:44,479
have to commend Mr. Doxy for doing

3368
02:36:44,479 --> 02:36:48,080
excellent um brief on it. I thought was

3369
02:36:48,080 --> 02:36:50,240
very thorough. I thought we had a really

3370
02:36:50,240 --> 02:36:53,200
good chance and um it didn't happen. So

3371
02:36:53,200 --> 02:36:56,560
for me like with that compounded I felt

3372
02:36:56,560 --> 02:36:59,663
like and with the property owners

3373
02:36:59,663 --> 02:37:00,880
[clears throat] themselves and they have

3374
02:37:00,880 --> 02:37:02,960
been paying taxes on it and that was

3375
02:37:02,960 --> 02:37:05,200
another big determiner for me. But I'm

3376
02:37:05,200 --> 02:37:07,120
sorry to interrupt. Go ahead with your

3377
02:37:07,120 --> 02:37:07,439
follow.

3378
02:37:07,439 --> 02:37:08,960
>> So yeah I do think we're in a little bit

3379
02:37:08,960 --> 02:37:10,720
of a quandry. If there's a sliver of

3380
02:37:10,720 --> 02:37:13,439
hope, it would be very expensive legally

3381
02:37:13,439 --> 02:37:15,920
and also like physically to create a

3382
02:37:15,920 --> 02:37:19,200
trail on the actual land that was deed

3383
02:37:19,200 --> 02:37:21,200
or listed I don't know what the legal

3384
02:37:21,200 --> 02:37:23,600
term is listed as common space. So

3385
02:37:23,600 --> 02:37:26,399
there's big hurdles to get over. Um and

3386
02:37:26,399 --> 02:37:30,160
I I don't know if it for for me

3387
02:37:30,160 --> 02:37:32,319
personally I I don't have a clear

3388
02:37:32,319 --> 02:37:34,479
feeling that it would the again the cost

3389
02:37:34,479 --> 02:37:35,760
and benefit weighing the cost and

3390
02:37:35,760 --> 02:37:37,359
benefit. I'm not sure it would get us

3391
02:37:37,359 --> 02:37:40,479
what we wanted for the cost. Um, but I

3392
02:37:40,479 --> 02:37:44,160
I'm undecided. Okay. Question then. If I

3393
02:37:44,160 --> 02:37:47,040
counted correctly, there's 32 lots that

3394
02:37:47,040 --> 02:37:49,680
were in Plat B. Is that accurate? And

3395
02:37:49,680 --> 02:37:53,040
then per your notes here, there would be

3396
02:37:53,040 --> 02:37:56,479
14 that would not gain any property,

3397
02:37:56,479 --> 02:37:58,000
right? Because they're on the interior

3398
02:37:58,000 --> 02:38:00,080
of that circle.

3399
02:38:00,080 --> 02:38:00,720
>> Correct.

3400
02:38:00,720 --> 02:38:03,120
>> Okay. So, and they've and they for the

3401
02:38:03,120 --> 02:38:04,720
most part you guys have answered the

3402
02:38:04,720 --> 02:38:06,080
question that they've agreed that that

3403
02:38:06,080 --> 02:38:08,560
would be not a problem that they had

3404
02:38:08,560 --> 02:38:12,960
land that they will no longer own and maybe no longer pay taxes on too.

3405
02:38:12,960 --> 02:38:16,000
Okay. The second question I had was the

3406
02:38:16,000 --> 02:38:17,840
extension from Red Pine that I pointed

3407
02:38:17,840 --> 02:38:20,560
out. Has there been any working with

3408
02:38:20,560 --> 02:38:23,359
that those land owners that are would be

3409
02:38:23,359 --> 02:38:26,080
what would be south of or what whatever

3410
02:38:26,080 --> 02:38:28,240
that direction is to the left of this

3411
02:38:28,240 --> 02:38:30,720
picture. um there's two owners and the

3412
02:38:30,720 --> 02:38:32,720
third that would be on the other side of

3413
02:38:32,720 --> 02:38:35,680
the the line to do something similar to

3414
02:38:35,680 --> 02:38:37,600
what you the rest have proposed to sort

3415
02:38:37,600 --> 02:38:39,880
of close off the whole space.

3416
02:38:39,880 --> 02:38:40,000
[clears throat]

3417
02:38:40,000 --> 02:38:42,240
>> So in that particular situation it's

3418
02:38:42,240 --> 02:38:43,040
totally different.

3419
02:38:43,040 --> 02:38:43,920
>> We do own that.

3420
02:38:43,920 --> 02:38:47,200
>> So it was recorded as a plat with just a

3421
02:38:47,200 --> 02:38:49,600
strip that still remained in the

3422
02:38:49,600 --> 02:38:52,000
ownership of the developer but then

3423
02:38:52,000 --> 02:38:54,399
later they came back and deeded that

3424
02:38:54,399 --> 02:38:57,120
strip to the city. So it's clearly ours

3425
02:38:57,120 --> 02:38:58,560
if you click on it. Okay.

3426
02:38:58,560 --> 02:39:00,640
>> On the county parcels, it shows Alpine

3427
02:39:00,640 --> 02:39:01,200
City is

3428
02:39:01,200 --> 02:39:02,640
>> what what would be the purpose of

3429
02:39:02,640 --> 02:39:04,399
maintaining that? Do we have

3430
02:39:04,399 --> 02:39:07,200
>> utilities? The city to purchase that.

3431
02:39:07,200 --> 02:39:09,040
>> Can you speak into the microphone?

3432
02:39:09,040 --> 02:39:12,080
>> So those property owners if we like

3433
02:39:12,080 --> 02:39:13,760
vacate that land, they would go through

3434
02:39:13,760 --> 02:39:15,359
the same thing as state law that we

3435
02:39:15,359 --> 02:39:17,760
would um council would have to vote that

3436
02:39:17,760 --> 02:39:19,920
you know we would want to um sell that

3437
02:39:19,920 --> 02:39:21,600
and then we would have to go out to the

3438
02:39:21,600 --> 02:39:23,280
public and notice it. There's a process

3439
02:39:23,280 --> 02:39:25,840
for us selling property and that's the

3440
02:39:25,840 --> 02:39:27,840
process that we would go to. these

3441
02:39:27,840 --> 02:39:29,359
property owners would have to approach

3442
02:39:29,359 --> 02:39:32,960
us. Um I don't know if there's any um

3443
02:39:32,960 --> 02:39:35,040
utilities or anything, but if it's just

3444
02:39:35,040 --> 02:39:38,560
land, that's something that would that I

3445
02:39:38,560 --> 02:39:40,800
would think would be considered.

3446
02:39:40,800 --> 02:39:42,800
>> Okay. Thank you. That that answers

3447
02:39:42,800 --> 02:39:45,040
>> the irrigation ditch does go through

3448
02:39:45,040 --> 02:39:47,680
there. Uh some if not all of it has been

3449
02:39:47,680 --> 02:39:48,960
piped.

3450
02:39:48,960 --> 02:39:50,640
>> Okay.

3451
02:39:50,640 --> 02:39:53,600
And then the third question was um

3452
02:39:53,600 --> 02:39:55,520
I think we did hear from one in the

3453
02:39:55,520 --> 02:39:57,840
public hearing who what happens to the

3454
02:39:57,840 --> 02:40:00,240
people on the other side of the line

3455
02:40:00,240 --> 02:40:02,000
because they all their their property

3456
02:40:02,000 --> 02:40:04,560
does abut that space.

3457
02:40:04,560 --> 02:40:09,600
>> So um I think that's not for us to

3458
02:40:09,600 --> 02:40:12,319
determine. To me that becomes a private

3459
02:40:12,319 --> 02:40:14,880
matter between property owners. M

3460
02:40:14,880 --> 02:40:17,760
>> um the survey, my understanding is in

3461
02:40:17,760 --> 02:40:19,760
the law, correct me if I'm wrong, is

3462
02:40:19,760 --> 02:40:21,920
that the survey determines property

3463
02:40:21,920 --> 02:40:25,600
ownership and then it's um you know,

3464
02:40:25,600 --> 02:40:27,920
it's up to the property owners how they

3465
02:40:27,920 --> 02:40:29,680
want to

3466
02:40:29,680 --> 02:40:31,439
deal with their property, whether they

3467
02:40:31,439 --> 02:40:34,880
want to claim it or forfeit it. So the

3468
02:40:34,880 --> 02:40:38,479
way that the line is um like plat the

3469
02:40:38,479 --> 02:40:41,359
way it's platted um the people outside

3470
02:40:41,359 --> 02:40:43,200
of the blue line as we we're looking

3471
02:40:43,200 --> 02:40:46,240
here with what Kaden has up they have no

3472
02:40:46,240 --> 02:40:48,319
common ownership and so their property

3473
02:40:48,319 --> 02:40:49,520
line would not

3474
02:40:49,520 --> 02:40:49,920
>> correct

3475
02:40:49,920 --> 02:40:51,280
>> be shifted

3476
02:40:51,280 --> 02:40:51,600
>> no

3477
02:40:51,600 --> 02:40:52,560
>> in any way.

3478
02:40:52,560 --> 02:40:53,200
>> No [clears throat]

3479
02:40:53,200 --> 02:40:55,280
>> because okay because it's already

3480
02:40:55,280 --> 02:40:57,439
established and there's no ambiguity

3481
02:40:57,439 --> 02:40:58,880
there. It was a different plat

3482
02:40:58,880 --> 02:41:03,040
>> and and by by each owner of a lot within

3483
02:41:03,040 --> 02:41:05,200
that plat signing the plat, they're

3484
02:41:05,200 --> 02:41:07,760
essentially saying we agree to this

3485
02:41:07,760 --> 02:41:09,040
transfer,

3486
02:41:09,040 --> 02:41:09,359
>> okay,

3487
02:41:09,359 --> 02:41:11,520
>> to the properties adjacent.

3488
02:41:11,520 --> 02:41:13,920
>> If they don't have anyone um that had or

3489
02:41:13,920 --> 02:41:16,319
this one person is the hold out, is is

3490
02:41:16,319 --> 02:41:17,920
there a verbal agreement?

3491
02:41:17,920 --> 02:41:19,920
>> No, no, no. They're they're out of town

3492
02:41:19,920 --> 02:41:21,520
right now, but they have sent an email

3493
02:41:21,520 --> 02:41:23,120
saying we will sign when we get back.

3494
02:41:23,120 --> 02:41:25,920
>> Okay. So, it's in it's in writing.

3495
02:41:25,920 --> 02:41:27,280
only legally.

3496
02:41:27,280 --> 02:41:28,000
>> Yeah.

3497
02:41:28,000 --> 02:41:30,399
>> Okay. Okay. Thank you. That that answers

3498
02:41:30,399 --> 02:41:33,840
all my questions. I g I still I still

3499
02:41:33,840 --> 02:41:35,760
end where I began with it would be great

3500
02:41:35,760 --> 02:41:38,800
if we if somebody would have

3501
02:41:38,800 --> 02:41:40,160
it would have been great for a lot of

3502
02:41:40,160 --> 02:41:41,680
things, but it just didn't have turn out

3503
02:41:41,680 --> 02:41:44,960
that way. I can't really see a benefit

3504
02:41:44,960 --> 02:41:48,880
to keeping it because of the the cost to

3505
02:41:48,880 --> 02:41:53,840
um yeah to to

3506
02:41:53,840 --> 02:41:55,760
I'm not really sure. I I would need more

3507
02:41:55,760 --> 02:41:58,479
information to object to what has been

3508
02:41:58,479 --> 02:42:00,720
proposed, I guess. And I see Hyram's

3509
02:42:00,720 --> 02:42:02,160
looking anxious to say something to the

3510
02:42:02,160 --> 02:42:04,160
microphone.

3511
02:42:04,160 --> 02:42:05,680
No, just want to let the council know

3512
02:42:05,680 --> 02:42:07,760
that we the city has received I talked

3513
02:42:07,760 --> 02:42:10,640
to Shane has received a letter from the

3514
02:42:10,640 --> 02:42:12,319
homeowner that is outside my

3515
02:42:12,319 --> 02:42:13,840
understanding is outside the subdivision

3516
02:42:13,840 --> 02:42:17,040
but that abuts this open space land

3517
02:42:17,040 --> 02:42:20,399
where they are asserting an interest or

3518
02:42:20,399 --> 02:42:21,680
claiming that they have some interest

3519
02:42:21,680 --> 02:42:22,960
through adverse possession or

3520
02:42:22,960 --> 02:42:25,120
prescription or some other legal theory

3521
02:42:25,120 --> 02:42:28,960
to the land that's at issue here. So

3522
02:42:28,960 --> 02:42:31,200
just want you to be aware of that. Um,

3523
02:42:31,200 --> 02:42:32,399
and how would that involve us?

3524
02:42:32,399 --> 02:42:33,520
>> That doesn't involve [clears throat] us.

3525
02:42:33,520 --> 02:42:35,040
That's between the property owners.

3526
02:42:35,040 --> 02:42:37,439
Correct. Because this isn't

3527
02:42:37,439 --> 02:42:39,760
>> Sure. And I'm I'm happy if if we really

3528
02:42:39,760 --> 02:42:42,560
want to get into legal issues, happy to

3529
02:42:42,560 --> 02:42:45,439
go into a closed session to discuss

3530
02:42:45,439 --> 02:42:45,920
since we

3531
02:42:45,920 --> 02:42:47,760
>> or are they asserting it does involve us

3532
02:42:47,760 --> 02:42:48,319
in some way?

3533
02:42:48,319 --> 02:42:50,000
>> Well, they've sent us a notice from a

3534
02:42:50,000 --> 02:42:50,720
law firm.

3535
02:42:50,720 --> 02:42:52,880
>> Okay. Okay. Was that

3536
02:42:52,880 --> 02:42:54,479
>> Pardon just on that top? Was that the

3537
02:42:54,479 --> 02:42:56,240
email we all got that you sent to each

3538
02:42:56,240 --> 02:42:58,080
of us or was that a separate one?

3539
02:42:58,080 --> 02:42:58,960
>> This is separate.

3540
02:42:58,960 --> 02:43:01,040
>> Separate. Okay. Sorry.

3541
02:43:01,040 --> 02:43:06,710
Okay, thank you. So there's Okay,

3542
02:43:06,720 --> 02:43:07,680
I'm done.

3543
02:43:07,680 --> 02:43:12,240
>> Thank you. Uh, so the I don't come from

3544
02:43:12,240 --> 02:43:14,240
a political background and so I've

3545
02:43:14,240 --> 02:43:16,560
learned a lot just by watching things be

3546
02:43:16,560 --> 02:43:18,479
done. Anything from a pickle ball court

3547
02:43:18,479 --> 02:43:22,640
to a things we've gone over tonight. Um,

3548
02:43:22,640 --> 02:43:27,120
and I've molded the approach to

3549
02:43:27,120 --> 02:43:29,200
which is a different approach and it's

3550
02:43:29,200 --> 02:43:31,359
how I've made every decision. It is to

3551
02:43:31,359 --> 02:43:37,359
uh this is what I ran on uh is to um

3552
02:43:37,359 --> 02:43:40,319
prior uh

3553
02:43:40,319 --> 02:43:43,279
hold on where is it? But it's [snorts]

3554
02:43:43,279 --> 02:43:45,520
it's a residentled approach that

3555
02:43:45,520 --> 02:43:47,680
prioritizes the resident receiving the

3556
02:43:47,680 --> 02:43:50,000
most negative impact closest in

3557
02:43:50,000 --> 02:43:54,000
proximity to the issue because I found

3558
02:43:54,000 --> 02:43:56,479
like I love this trail. I love it. I

3559
02:43:56,479 --> 02:43:59,200
have a memory of me and my sons biking

3560
02:43:59,200 --> 02:44:01,760
through this trail so fast, but it's

3561
02:44:01,760 --> 02:44:03,680
through your homes.

3562
02:44:03,680 --> 02:44:06,399
So I love this trail and I love biking

3563
02:44:06,399 --> 02:44:08,880
with my sons through it and it is so

3564
02:44:08,880 --> 02:44:10,960
fun. the trees whiz by and you've got a

3565
02:44:10,960 --> 02:44:14,240
tunnel. I love it. But it's not in my

3566
02:44:14,240 --> 02:44:16,319
backyard. It's not right by my house. I

3567
02:44:16,319 --> 02:44:19,279
don't have to deal with it. Now, I hope

3568
02:44:19,279 --> 02:44:21,600
so. So So, so two things. Well, main

3569
02:44:21,600 --> 02:44:23,600
thing I will yield, of course, to the

3570
02:44:23,600 --> 02:44:26,560
residents who are next to this because

3571
02:44:26,560 --> 02:44:29,120
they're receiving 100% of the negative

3572
02:44:29,120 --> 02:44:32,800
impact. If I lose this trail for the two

3573
02:44:32,800 --> 02:44:36,240
times a year that I use it, I lose that.

3574
02:44:36,240 --> 02:44:39,120
So who receives a worse situation by far

3575
02:44:39,120 --> 02:44:41,120
the residents who live around it. So in

3576
02:44:41,120 --> 02:44:43,439
an effort to make net happiness in our

3577
02:44:43,439 --> 02:44:45,359
city which is I'm trying to explain the

3578
02:44:45,359 --> 02:44:47,840
approach that is why I would for sure

3579
02:44:47,840 --> 02:44:50,399
side with the residents on this even if

3580
02:44:50,399 --> 02:44:52,479
it were a different situation because

3581
02:44:52,479 --> 02:44:54,000
they are going to receive the most

3582
02:44:54,000 --> 02:44:55,359
negative impact. They are going to

3583
02:44:55,359 --> 02:44:58,080
receive the most problems for whatever

3584
02:44:58,080 --> 02:45:01,359
happens on this at midnight at whatever

3585
02:45:01,359 --> 02:45:05,200
time of the day 247 365 days a year. So,

3586
02:45:05,200 --> 02:45:07,120
I don't know why we've pursued it so

3587
02:45:07,120 --> 02:45:10,399
much given that uh we've had resident

3588
02:45:10,399 --> 02:45:13,920
outcry for so long trying to claim it.

3589
02:45:13,920 --> 02:45:16,240
That's just me. Now, I handle things

3590
02:45:16,240 --> 02:45:18,960
differently. I have property and I made

3591
02:45:18,960 --> 02:45:20,880
a private trail and let anyone use it.

3592
02:45:20,880 --> 02:45:22,319
And I like the horses. I like the

3593
02:45:22,319 --> 02:45:23,840
bikers. I like the people coming

3594
02:45:23,840 --> 02:45:27,600
through. I I I like people. But that was

3595
02:45:27,600 --> 02:45:29,520
for me to decide. So, I could I can make

3596
02:45:29,520 --> 02:45:31,840
a private trail and let people use it.

3597
02:45:31,840 --> 02:45:33,920
They don't I hope whatever they do when

3598
02:45:33,920 --> 02:45:35,520
they get this, if they do, which I think

3599
02:45:35,520 --> 02:45:37,359
they will or I think they already have,

3600
02:45:37,359 --> 02:45:38,800
that they will make it something special

3601
02:45:38,800 --> 02:45:41,359
that they love and the community loves.

3602
02:45:41,359 --> 02:45:42,880
But anyways, from hearing from them,

3603
02:45:42,880 --> 02:45:44,240
that was why I wanted to know each of

3604
02:45:44,240 --> 02:45:45,760
their opinions because I I didn't have

3605
02:45:45,760 --> 02:45:47,279
time to go to speak to them directly.

3606
02:45:47,279 --> 02:45:48,560
I'd spoken to some, but I wanted to

3607
02:45:48,560 --> 02:45:50,560
speak to a lot of them close to it, find

3608
02:45:50,560 --> 02:45:52,240
out, but I had to do the other one as

3609
02:45:52,240 --> 02:45:54,960
well, the the the next item coming up.

3610
02:45:54,960 --> 02:45:56,880
And so that was very helpful to hear

3611
02:45:56,880 --> 02:46:00,000
from you and uh let us know from me what

3612
02:46:00,000 --> 02:46:02,880
help can be done to uh make this the

3613
02:46:02,880 --> 02:46:04,560
ideal situation for what is happening

3614
02:46:04,560 --> 02:46:07,920
literally by your uh neighborhood. If

3615
02:46:07,920 --> 02:46:09,760
you are receiving friction from the city

3616
02:46:09,760 --> 02:46:12,880
or from other groups I would love to

3617
02:46:12,880 --> 02:46:14,880
help because you live by it. You will

3618
02:46:14,880 --> 02:46:16,960
receive I mean you've lived here 20 30

3619
02:46:16,960 --> 02:46:18,720
whatever years. This is going to be

3620
02:46:18,720 --> 02:46:20,399
another 60 years unless you get this

3621
02:46:20,399 --> 02:46:22,399
solved. So that's that's where I stand

3622
02:46:22,399 --> 02:46:24,240
on it.

3623
02:46:24,240 --> 02:46:24,960
Go ahead, Shane.

3624
02:46:24,960 --> 02:46:26,000
>> Clarify one thing.

3625
02:46:26,000 --> 02:46:26,960
>> Yeah,

3626
02:46:26,960 --> 02:46:28,720
>> we weren't really pursuing it against

3627
02:46:28,720 --> 02:46:32,319
the residents. It's only been, and Scott could attest this, they've only

3628
02:46:32,319 --> 02:46:35,279
been pursuing it the last few months.

3629
02:46:35,279 --> 02:46:38,000
>> Uh, like for the Plat amendment,

3630
02:46:38,000 --> 02:46:40,479
>> I've been talking to at least some of

3631
02:46:40,479 --> 02:46:42,640
the city council for a couple years.

3632
02:46:42,640 --> 02:46:43,520
>> Yeah.

3633
02:46:43,520 --> 02:46:45,040
just because we've been trying to figure

3634
02:46:45,040 --> 02:46:51,030
out what

3635
02:46:51,040 --> 02:46:52,880
» I've I've also had residents walk me

3636
02:46:52,880 --> 02:46:56,319
over almost nine months ago there during

3637
02:46:56,319 --> 02:46:59,040
the election. They walked me on it. So

3638
02:46:59,040 --> 02:47:01,520
something was going on. But either way,

3639
02:47:01,520 --> 02:47:06,150
>> years.

3640
02:47:06,160 --> 02:47:07,680
» Okay. Well, either way, I think we're

3641
02:47:07,680 --> 02:47:09,120
getting some closure. I think we're

3642
02:47:09,120 --> 02:47:11,600
getting closed recently. There's, you

3643
02:47:11,600 --> 02:47:15,120
know, there's a lot of um state law that

3644
02:47:15,120 --> 02:47:17,760
um is required regarding h you know what

3645
02:47:17,760 --> 02:47:20,399
this is kind of considered HOA property

3646
02:47:20,399 --> 02:47:22,560
that allows them to have that is

3647
02:47:22,560 --> 02:47:24,800
requiring that they have 100% buyout

3648
02:47:24,800 --> 02:47:26,720
which they've done but that's all just

3649
02:47:26,720 --> 02:47:29,359
recently before I think there was kind

3650
02:47:29,359 --> 02:47:32,160
of at least from the people that I have

3651
02:47:32,160 --> 02:47:34,479
spoken to there it was a little bit um

3652
02:47:34,479 --> 02:47:37,200
divided in what they wanted but just

3653
02:47:37,200 --> 02:47:39,200
recently they've come together

3654
02:47:39,200 --> 02:47:40,560
>> and that's good that's what we hope

3655
02:47:40,560 --> 02:47:42,720
That's what I hope for consensus amongst

3656
02:47:42,720 --> 02:47:44,319
a neighborhood and I've seen a

3657
02:47:44,319 --> 02:47:46,560
neighborhood have consensus and what the

3658
02:47:46,560 --> 02:47:49,120
result is is very good a very good

3659
02:47:49,120 --> 02:47:51,520
result. So I I think they're going to

3660
02:47:51,520 --> 02:47:52,880
get that

3661
02:47:52,880 --> 02:47:53,439
>> Jess.

3662
02:47:53,439 --> 02:47:57,520
>> Yeah. So I think a couple of comments.

3663
02:47:57,520 --> 02:48:00,080
We're a community known for our trail

3664
02:48:00,080 --> 02:48:03,279
system. I think we have almost 40 acres

3665
02:48:03,279 --> 02:48:05,680
I'm sorry 40 miles of trails. the

3666
02:48:05,680 --> 02:48:07,600
concern I have if we start getting

3667
02:48:07,600 --> 02:48:10,319
public input that says I'm uncomfortable

3668
02:48:10,319 --> 02:48:11,920
with the thing that's happening on the

3669
02:48:11,920 --> 02:48:14,240
trail behind me that we're setting a

3670
02:48:14,240 --> 02:48:17,120
precedent now that we'll start vacating

3671
02:48:17,120 --> 02:48:20,399
based upon a small area even though

3672
02:48:20,399 --> 02:48:23,040
trails are our identity. We haven't

3673
02:48:23,040 --> 02:48:25,680
heard. I think council member Haniman

3674
02:48:25,680 --> 02:48:28,080
brings up a good point that in her

3675
02:48:28,080 --> 02:48:30,399
purview, she's not seeing the benefit.

3676
02:48:30,399 --> 02:48:33,760
But if I lived on 600 and I back to this

3677
02:48:33,760 --> 02:48:35,840
and I could get to Peterson Park because

3678
02:48:35,840 --> 02:48:37,920
we know we're going to improve Peterson

3679
02:48:37,920 --> 02:48:39,840
Park, it's going to be amazing. We're

3680
02:48:39,840 --> 02:48:41,359
going to be able to have this multi-use

3681
02:48:41,359 --> 02:48:43,120
trail that's going to go all the way out

3682
02:48:43,120 --> 02:48:44,880
to SR92.

3683
02:48:44,880 --> 02:48:47,760
Um those folks might disagree that

3684
02:48:47,760 --> 02:48:49,840
there's no benefit for them if they lose

3685
02:48:49,840 --> 02:48:53,120
that access. I understand that today

3686
02:48:53,120 --> 02:48:56,720
there's a unified reason to vacate it

3687
02:48:56,720 --> 02:48:58,560
because it's overgrown and it can't be

3688
02:48:58,560 --> 02:49:01,760
used. But when these residents moved in,

3689
02:49:01,760 --> 02:49:04,000
they knew they had a trail at least up

3690
02:49:04,000 --> 02:49:06,960
until 2020 before we removed it from the

3691
02:49:06,960 --> 02:49:09,920
trail master plan. I'm going to bet that

3692
02:49:09,920 --> 02:49:12,080
the reason it got overgrown was because

3693
02:49:12,080 --> 02:49:13,760
we removed it from the trail master

3694
02:49:13,760 --> 02:49:16,560
plan. So there might be correlation to

3695
02:49:16,560 --> 02:49:18,000
that. So those are a couple of my

3696
02:49:18,000 --> 02:49:21,920
thoughts. I don't understand the fence.

3697
02:49:21,920 --> 02:49:23,600
>> Where are you talking about 600 west? I

3698
02:49:23,600 --> 02:49:24,800
guess I don't know my streets.

3699
02:49:24,800 --> 02:49:27,600
>> It's the street that of the lots to the

3700
02:49:27,600 --> 02:49:30,880
east. So, right now there's 12 I think

3701
02:49:30,880 --> 02:49:35,040
people that back up to that. I think um

3702
02:49:35,040 --> 02:49:38,000
this email illustrates a point that

3703
02:49:38,000 --> 02:49:41,359
we're waiting into potentially

3704
02:49:41,359 --> 02:49:44,399
everybody has a claim for that.

3705
02:49:44,399 --> 02:49:47,600
>> Okay. Thanks. like if the claim is going

3706
02:49:47,600 --> 02:49:50,720
to these other folks, you know, I just

3707
02:49:50,720 --> 02:49:52,880
go back to what was this originally? It

3708
02:49:52,880 --> 02:49:54,720
was a public trail. It's been on our

3709
02:49:54,720 --> 02:49:57,840
trail master plan from 2004.

3710
02:49:57,840 --> 02:50:01,359
Um, it's not unique for Alpine to have

3711
02:50:01,359 --> 02:50:03,359
trails behind. I mean, Chrissy, you have

3712
02:50:03,359 --> 02:50:04,720
a lot of trails that go through your

3713
02:50:04,720 --> 02:50:07,600
neighborhood. It's a huge benefit for

3714
02:50:07,600 --> 02:50:11,439
our community. Um, I'm confused about

3715
02:50:11,439 --> 02:50:14,479
the rod iron fence that blocks the

3716
02:50:14,479 --> 02:50:16,960
trail. So, is that encroaching on public

3717
02:50:16,960 --> 02:50:21,920
space? And if it is, how come we're not

3718
02:50:21,920 --> 02:50:23,600
asking the private property owner to

3719
02:50:23,600 --> 02:50:25,200
>> It's along their property line. They're

3720
02:50:25,200 --> 02:50:27,760
saying that the trail does not align

3721
02:50:27,760 --> 02:50:30,080
properly. The use

3722
02:50:30,080 --> 02:50:32,240
>> the fence is on common area. It

3723
02:50:32,240 --> 02:50:33,520
>> Well, let me take that back.

3724
02:50:33,520 --> 02:50:34,960
>> No, it's on their property. trail went

3725
02:50:34,960 --> 02:50:37,840
through the trail went through the

3726
02:50:37,840 --> 02:50:41,279
property owner's back part of his lot.

3727
02:50:41,279 --> 02:50:43,920
He got a fence permit, put a fence in on

3728
02:50:43,920 --> 02:50:47,359
his property line which cut off the

3729
02:50:47,359 --> 02:50:47,920
trail.

3730
02:50:47,920 --> 02:50:48,880
>> I see.

3731
02:50:48,880 --> 02:50:51,200
>> So, so it was private property.

3732
02:50:51,200 --> 02:50:54,000
>> The trail was misaligned, but there's

3733
02:50:54,000 --> 02:50:57,680
clearly land that if you realign the

3734
02:50:57,680 --> 02:51:00,080
trail where it should be, not on private

3735
02:51:00,080 --> 02:51:04,560
property, then you do have a trail. Um

3736
02:51:04,560 --> 02:51:07,279
the other Yeah, that's just the thought

3737
02:51:07,279 --> 02:51:12,319
regarding um an encroachment.

3738
02:51:12,319 --> 02:51:14,160
>> Um I don't know. That's up to the mayor

3739
02:51:14,160 --> 02:51:15,439
to determine.

3740
02:51:15,439 --> 02:51:17,760
>> Yeah, I'm sorry. The public hearing is

3741
02:51:17,760 --> 02:51:21,200
over, right? I'm sorry. Um I understand

3742
02:51:21,200 --> 02:51:24,000
like the residents here, all but one um

3743
02:51:24,000 --> 02:51:26,560
who is on who is not part of this

3744
02:51:26,560 --> 02:51:29,439
subdivision is in favor of it. The

3745
02:51:29,439 --> 02:51:32,000
gentleman on the other side is not. Um,

3746
02:51:32,000 --> 02:51:35,040
I think we all understand that. Um,

3747
02:51:35,040 --> 02:51:37,040
>> well, I want to address it's overgrown.

3748
02:51:37,040 --> 02:51:38,560
I mean, we've built some beautiful

3749
02:51:38,560 --> 02:51:40,800
trails in Lambert Park that were

3750
02:51:40,800 --> 02:51:42,960
overgrown. Epic trails.

3751
02:51:42,960 --> 02:51:44,240
>> Jessica, can I ask you a question?

3752
02:51:44,240 --> 02:51:45,520
>> Not a barrier for me.

3753
02:51:45,520 --> 02:51:47,120
>> Can I Can I ask you a question? Are you

3754
02:51:47,120 --> 02:51:49,120
on because I I love the way you think

3755
02:51:49,120 --> 02:51:51,680
about things as I do the others. Um, and

3756
02:51:51,680 --> 02:51:53,439
sometimes we're different, but it's good

3757
02:51:53,439 --> 02:51:56,560
to hear it from each other. Um, can they

3758
02:51:56,560 --> 02:51:58,960
not, if they own this, make this into a

3759
02:51:58,960 --> 02:52:01,120
trail and they own it and they decide if

3760
02:52:01,120 --> 02:52:02,880
they want public on it or not. Can they

3761
02:52:02,880 --> 02:52:04,640
not still make a trail?

3762
02:52:04,640 --> 02:52:06,160
>> They can.

3763
02:52:06,160 --> 02:52:08,319
>> Because we have that in Stonehedge at in

3764
02:52:08,319 --> 02:52:09,760
the Stone Hedge properties. We make

3765
02:52:09,760 --> 02:52:13,200
trails and people use them and um I mean

3766
02:52:13,200 --> 02:52:16,080
some of it's fenced off now, but uh they

3767
02:52:16,080 --> 02:52:18,720
can still make a trail if they see that.

3768
02:52:18,720 --> 02:52:20,000
Anyways, that that's that's a

3769
02:52:20,000 --> 02:52:21,520
possibility if they feel like that's the

3770
02:52:21,520 --> 02:52:23,680
thing they want. I do have a concern

3771
02:52:23,680 --> 02:52:26,640
though with and I realize that we don't

3772
02:52:26,640 --> 02:52:28,560
have claim to it other than the easement

3773
02:52:28,560 --> 02:52:33,200
for public utilities, but 28 is access

3774
02:52:33,200 --> 02:52:35,920
to this open space that's the south of

3775
02:52:35,920 --> 02:52:37,840
28

3776
02:52:37,840 --> 02:52:41,359
that trail access and it leads to that.

3777
02:52:41,359 --> 02:52:43,359
It kind of cuts that off. Otherwise, you

3778
02:52:43,359 --> 02:52:45,040
have to go all the way down to what is

3779
02:52:45,040 --> 02:52:46,240
it? River

3780
02:52:46,240 --> 02:52:47,439
>> Silver Lane.

3781
02:52:47,439 --> 02:52:49,760
>> What? Uh well there's an access from

3782
02:52:49,760 --> 02:52:53,279
Silver Lane and an access from

3783
02:52:53,279 --> 02:52:56,560
>> Yeah, this road on the east side. Silver

3784
02:52:56,560 --> 02:52:58,800
Lane and then um whatever this road is

3785
02:52:58,800 --> 02:53:01,840
on to the west, but it's cutting it off

3786
02:53:01,840 --> 02:53:04,560
from Ridge, I guess. I mean, there's

3787
02:53:04,560 --> 02:53:06,720
still access to that open space, but it

3788
02:53:06,720 --> 02:53:09,920
would be nice to be able to um

3789
02:53:09,920 --> 02:53:10,560
>> Yeah.

3790
02:53:10,560 --> 02:53:13,920
>> I'm wondering though if

3791
02:53:13,920 --> 02:53:16,000
maybe we can do some kind of use the

3792
02:53:16,000 --> 02:53:18,640
monies, you know, and convert that and

3793
02:53:18,640 --> 02:53:21,200
still give access to

3794
02:53:21,200 --> 02:53:22,479
that. I mean, that's something we could

3795
02:53:22,479 --> 02:53:22,960
talk about.

3796
02:53:22,960 --> 02:53:24,319
>> Well, and I would like to understand

3797
02:53:24,319 --> 02:53:27,359
better. Um, again, this says if the

3798
02:53:27,359 --> 02:53:28,960
general public has openly and

3799
02:53:28,960 --> 02:53:31,200
continuously used a trail for at least

3800
02:53:31,200 --> 02:53:34,720
10 years as public route, the public may

3801
02:53:34,720 --> 02:53:37,439
acquire legal right of way by operation

3802
02:53:37,439 --> 02:53:40,399
of law even if no deed or easement was

3803
02:53:40,399 --> 02:53:41,359
ever recorded.

3804
02:53:41,359 --> 02:53:43,359
>> So, usually with you're talking about

3805
02:53:43,359 --> 02:53:46,080
prescript prescriptive easement and hyum

3806
02:53:46,080 --> 02:53:47,279
correct me if I'm wrong, but

3807
02:53:47,279 --> 02:53:48,479
prescriptive easements are

3808
02:53:48,479 --> 02:53:50,560
>> this is actually public thoroughare.

3809
02:53:50,560 --> 02:53:52,720
public thorough easement whatever you

3810
02:53:52,720 --> 02:53:54,399
know a prescriptive whatever it may be

3811
02:53:54,399 --> 02:53:55,520
that

3812
02:53:55,520 --> 02:53:57,439
>> um the people that use it are the ones

3813
02:53:57,439 --> 02:53:59,120
that need to fight for is that not

3814
02:53:59,120 --> 02:54:00,319
correct

3815
02:54:00,319 --> 02:54:02,080
>> so there's there's a distinction there

3816
02:54:02,080 --> 02:54:04,000
yeah a prescriptive easement is a

3817
02:54:04,000 --> 02:54:06,479
private right that a citizen can gain a

3818
02:54:06,479 --> 02:54:09,200
city could gain it I guess technically

3819
02:54:09,200 --> 02:54:10,880
but typically it's a a private right

3820
02:54:10,880 --> 02:54:13,439
from a a homeowner this code section

3821
02:54:13,439 --> 02:54:17,040
that council member is pointing to is

3822
02:54:17,040 --> 02:54:19,840
actually the highway authority is the

3823
02:54:19,840 --> 02:54:22,319
one that has to go about trying to claim

3824
02:54:22,319 --> 02:54:24,479
a right and the highway authority in

3825
02:54:24,479 --> 02:54:27,359
this instance would be the city.

3826
02:54:27,359 --> 02:54:27,600
So

3827
02:54:27,600 --> 02:54:30,319
>> is highway um refer to vehicles or

3828
02:54:30,319 --> 02:54:32,000
pedestrians?

3829
02:54:32,000 --> 02:54:35,120
>> This is what's uh kind of up for uh

3830
02:54:35,120 --> 02:54:37,279
debate. So I think any further

3831
02:54:37,279 --> 02:54:39,120
discussion on it probably be best in a

3832
02:54:39,120 --> 02:54:41,200
closed session.

3833
02:54:41,200 --> 02:54:41,760
>> Okay.

3834
02:54:41,760 --> 02:54:43,840
>> Can I bring one point up uh just because

3835
02:54:43,840 --> 02:54:46,720
I I use this trail often. Um

3836
02:54:46,720 --> 02:54:50,160
>> when's the last time you've used it? Uh,

3837
02:54:50,160 --> 02:54:53,120
the last time

3838
02:54:53,120 --> 02:54:54,560
>> Well,

3839
02:54:54,560 --> 02:54:56,160
>> what you guys, Hold on. I'm just asking

3840
02:54:56,160 --> 02:54:57,520
him a question, please. When was the

3841
02:54:57,520 --> 02:54:58,160
last time you used

3842
02:54:58,160 --> 02:55:00,240
>> We use it every summer for bike trails.

3843
02:55:00,240 --> 02:55:02,319
>> Okay, so last summer you bike through

3844
02:55:02,319 --> 02:55:03,040
that trail.

3845
02:55:03,040 --> 02:55:04,960
>> Well, multiple times last summer, but

3846
02:55:04,960 --> 02:55:05,840
only walking.

3847
02:55:05,840 --> 02:55:07,359
>> How did you get through?

3848
02:55:07,359 --> 02:55:08,560
>> So, the gate,

3849
02:55:08,560 --> 02:55:10,720
>> the tree that fell through the hearth

3850
02:55:10,720 --> 02:55:13,600
that are overgrown and the and the fence

3851
02:55:13,600 --> 02:55:15,040
because there's a ditch next to it.

3852
02:55:15,040 --> 02:55:16,800
>> Okay, I'm with two boys so we like that

3853
02:55:16,800 --> 02:55:18,560
type of stuff. So, you do go around it.

3854
02:55:18,560 --> 02:55:19,920
But that wasn't what I was going to say.

3855
02:55:19,920 --> 02:55:23,840
I'm not ad I do love it. I hope they can

3856
02:55:23,840 --> 02:55:26,960
create something great with it. Um, but

3857
02:55:26,960 --> 02:55:28,880
I I say that respectfully. I hope they

3858
02:55:28,880 --> 02:55:31,520
took it that way. Um, where you see 28,

3859
02:55:31,520 --> 02:55:33,520
do you see 28? Do you see that blue line

3860
02:55:33,520 --> 02:55:35,920
easement that continues on and it goes

3861
02:55:35,920 --> 02:55:37,120
up this nice hill?

3862
02:55:37,120 --> 02:55:38,560
>> No, that's what I was just mentioning.

3863
02:55:38,560 --> 02:55:39,520
>> Right. Right. So, that's what I was

3864
02:55:39,520 --> 02:55:43,200
saying. But, but it also is not very um,

3865
02:55:43,200 --> 02:55:45,680
you know, wellkept and it goes all the

3866
02:55:45,680 --> 02:55:47,520
way to the birds. I don't know if you

3867
02:55:47,520 --> 02:55:49,680
know what that is. Like I do carry

3868
02:55:49,680 --> 02:55:50,160
elders.

3869
02:55:50,160 --> 02:55:52,000
>> It is such Yes. Oh my gosh. It is a

3870
02:55:52,000 --> 02:55:53,760
beautiful experience.

3871
02:55:53,760 --> 02:55:57,359
>> And we have that fire mitigation money.

3872
02:55:57,359 --> 02:55:59,279
Making a trail and fire mitigation is

3873
02:55:59,279 --> 02:56:01,600
the exact same thing. So if you want to

3874
02:56:01,600 --> 02:56:05,200
use any of that to really just make that

3875
02:56:05,200 --> 02:56:06,560
a beautiful It sounds like there's no

3876
02:56:06,560 --> 02:56:08,720
dispute there. You can have a beautiful

3877
02:56:08,720 --> 02:56:10,640
It goes all the way to Stonehedge, all

3878
02:56:10,640 --> 02:56:12,800
the way to

3879
02:56:12,800 --> 02:56:15,439
Ridge, I believe. Not not Ridge that we

3880
02:56:15,439 --> 02:56:18,560
know. the other ridge by Healey. Um it

3881
02:56:18,560 --> 02:56:20,479
would be a great usage of that because

3882
02:56:20,479 --> 02:56:21,840
that area is one of the areas we're

3883
02:56:21,840 --> 02:56:26,960
working on for fire mitigation, but it needs some trail uh work as well and

3884
02:56:26,960 --> 02:56:29,439
that would uh allow us to not have the

3885
02:56:29,439 --> 02:56:31,439
same predicament that you're bringing up

3886
02:56:31,439 --> 02:56:33,200
about this trail where we don't kind of

3887
02:56:33,200 --> 02:56:35,600
tend to it where we if we tend to that

3888
02:56:35,600 --> 02:56:36,880
because if you go on that trail right

3889
02:56:36,880 --> 02:56:39,120
now, I'm talking about uh

3890
02:56:39,120 --> 02:56:41,279
>> 28 and down.

3891
02:56:41,279 --> 02:56:43,439
>> It goes up a hill around all through it.

3892
02:56:43,439 --> 02:56:45,920
I mean, it's pretty you're you're you

3893
02:56:45,920 --> 02:56:47,680
know, you're you're like 50/50 if you're

3894
02:56:47,680 --> 02:56:50,479
on a trail or not. This is like, is this

3895
02:56:50,479 --> 02:56:51,920
a deer trail or is this a real trail?

3896
02:56:51,920 --> 02:56:55,120
You can't really tell. But

3897
02:56:55,120 --> 02:56:56,880
it's it's just this is just a great

3898
02:56:56,880 --> 02:56:58,720
opportunity that if we're looking in

3899
02:56:58,720 --> 02:57:01,439
that area to to to not let that part go

3900
02:57:01,439 --> 02:57:03,359
as well because that's a great area to

3901
02:57:03,359 --> 02:57:05,760
work on. Anyways, that's and maybe if we

3902
02:57:05,760 --> 02:57:08,080
did, the community there, the

3903
02:57:08,080 --> 02:57:10,720
neighborhood would want some sort of

3904
02:57:10,720 --> 02:57:12,720
connection or maybe they would like to

3905
02:57:12,720 --> 02:57:14,960
use it. And I I I don't know. That's up

3906
02:57:14,960 --> 02:57:15,439
to them.

3907
02:57:15,439 --> 02:57:17,359
>> And you know, maybe we just don't have

3908
02:57:17,359 --> 02:57:19,520
enough to council member Hanimman's

3909
02:57:19,520 --> 02:57:21,680
point. She doesn't know enough yet. Like

3910
02:57:21,680 --> 02:57:23,840
there could be more information we need.

3911
02:57:23,840 --> 02:57:26,399
I just want to leave with

3912
02:57:26,399 --> 02:57:28,080
an email that came through from a

3913
02:57:28,080 --> 02:57:30,880
resident expert and they wrote, "It's

3914
02:57:30,880 --> 02:57:32,880
extremely difficult for communities to

3915
02:57:32,880 --> 02:57:35,359
secure trail corridors. As you know,

3916
02:57:35,359 --> 02:57:37,279
communities cannot currently use eminent

3917
02:57:37,279 --> 02:57:39,439
domain for trails. So obtaining

3918
02:57:39,439 --> 02:57:41,439
continuous corridors that are not

3919
02:57:41,439 --> 02:57:43,840
adjacent to roadways is very difficult

3920
02:57:43,840 --> 02:57:46,800
and in some cases nearly impossible.

3921
02:57:46,800 --> 02:57:48,800
The current corridor extends between two

3922
02:57:48,800 --> 02:57:51,200
public spaces and is wide enough that it

3923
02:57:51,200 --> 02:57:53,520
could be improved to be an asset to the

3924
02:57:53,520 --> 02:57:55,279
community.

3925
02:57:55,279 --> 02:57:57,680
If that space is vacated, it will never

3926
02:57:57,680 --> 02:57:59,040
be replicated.

3927
02:57:59,040 --> 02:58:00,560
>> Jessica, I love that and I totally agree

3928
02:58:00,560 --> 02:58:02,319
with the resident. I think there's just

3929
02:58:02,319 --> 02:58:03,920
one slight difference here that I look

3930
02:58:03,920 --> 02:58:06,319
at it and that is that this trail is so

3931
02:58:06,319 --> 02:58:09,200
close to people's homes versus a trail

3932
02:58:09,200 --> 02:58:12,160
that's like where we live. You've got

3933
02:58:12,160 --> 02:58:14,399
the beautiful ones in Lambert and

3934
02:58:14,399 --> 02:58:16,720
there's just such a buffer between that

3935
02:58:16,720 --> 02:58:19,120
this I mean when you're on this trail

3936
02:58:19,120 --> 02:58:22,800
you do question am I in this guy's yard

3937
02:58:22,800 --> 02:58:24,240
like you're looking in their windows

3938
02:58:24,240 --> 02:58:24,640
you're

3939
02:58:24,640 --> 02:58:27,520
>> true you're you're really on top of them

3940
02:58:27,520 --> 02:58:29,600
>> uh on both sides you're like well this

3941
02:58:29,600 --> 02:58:31,520
is this person's dog don't this is their

3942
02:58:31,520 --> 02:58:33,439
chickens this is their oh this is a

3943
02:58:33,439 --> 02:58:35,680
cover so I think the one slight

3944
02:58:35,680 --> 02:58:38,000
difference on this one and why I don't

3945
02:58:38,000 --> 02:58:41,040
go fullon uh protection on this is

3946
02:58:41,040 --> 02:58:44,479
because it's a trail in the middle of a

3947
02:58:44,479 --> 02:58:46,479
really really residential neighborhood.

3948
02:58:46,479 --> 02:58:48,640
Not like where

3949
02:58:48,640 --> 02:58:50,399
most trails are where you're, you know,

3950
02:58:50,399 --> 02:58:51,920
a little bit more closer to the mountain

3951
02:58:51,920 --> 02:58:56,000
or in a more rural area. Take not to

3952
02:58:56,000 --> 02:58:58,720
take away from what she said. I I think

3953
02:58:58,720 --> 02:59:02,319
this is why this is more sensitive.

3954
02:59:02,319 --> 02:59:04,720
Is there something that um I'm sorry our

3955
02:59:04,720 --> 02:59:06,640
mayor has vacated the meeting, but is

3956
02:59:06,640 --> 02:59:08,240
there something you need from it this at

3957
02:59:08,240 --> 02:59:10,240
this point or is it we're just done at

3958
02:59:10,240 --> 02:59:11,439
discussion?

3959
02:59:11,439 --> 02:59:14,479
>> Well, the parties have submitted this

3960
02:59:14,479 --> 02:59:17,439
application for a plat amendment and so

3961
02:59:17,439 --> 02:59:19,600
it's before the council to consider.

3962
02:59:19,600 --> 02:59:21,439
>> Oh, it's not just a public hearing. We

3963
02:59:21,439 --> 02:59:22,560
have to vote right now.

3964
02:59:22,560 --> 02:59:24,319
>> It's it's on for action as well.

3965
02:59:24,319 --> 02:59:25,520
>> Yeah, that's why I was asking if this

3966
02:59:25,520 --> 02:59:25,840
was

3967
02:59:25,840 --> 02:59:29,359
>> Oh, I misunderstood that. Okay. Okay.

3968
02:59:29,359 --> 02:59:30,960
So, if there's no further questions,

3969
02:59:30,960 --> 02:59:33,120
does anyone have a motion?

3970
02:59:33,120 --> 02:59:36,560
>> And before the motion is is proposed, um

3971
02:59:36,560 --> 02:59:40,640
if the plot is to be uh motioned for

3972
02:59:40,640 --> 02:59:43,040
approval, then we would recommend and

3973
02:59:43,040 --> 02:59:44,560
Hyman can correct me if I'm wrong, but

3974
02:59:44,560 --> 02:59:46,160
we recommend you include the reasons for

3975
02:59:46,160 --> 02:59:48,880
the good cause for the approval of the

3976
02:59:48,880 --> 02:59:52,790
plat amendment.

3977
02:59:52,800 --> 02:59:54,720
» Yeah. Just just would we like to wait

3978
02:59:54,720 --> 02:59:55,760
for them? Oh, go ahead.

3979
02:59:55,760 --> 02:59:59,520
>> Yeah. So, just comment that if If it is

3980
02:59:59,520 --> 03:00:01,600
that uh the council believes there's

3981
03:00:01,600 --> 03:00:05,040
good cause to amend this plat, just uh

3982
03:00:05,040 --> 03:00:07,600
explicitly state that you have

3983
03:00:07,600 --> 03:00:10,240
determined that there is good cause for

3984
03:00:10,240 --> 03:00:13,990
amending this plot.

3985
03:00:14,000 --> 03:00:16,000
» Would we like to wait for the mayor or

3986
03:00:16,000 --> 03:00:17,760
does Jessica become mayor pro?

3987
03:00:17,760 --> 03:00:19,600
>> I'm stepping in.

3988
03:00:19,600 --> 03:00:21,600
>> Then you you let us know what you

3989
03:00:21,600 --> 03:00:23,840
>> Sure.

3990
03:00:23,840 --> 03:00:29,670
So I'll make a motion.

3991
03:00:29,680 --> 03:00:30,880
Kayen, can you move to the

3992
03:00:30,880 --> 03:00:33,760
>> Can the mayor prom make a motion?

3993
03:00:33,760 --> 03:00:35,760
>> Okay.

3994
03:00:35,760 --> 03:00:36,960
>> Right. Okay.

3995
03:00:36,960 --> 03:00:38,720
>> Okay.

3996
03:00:38,720 --> 03:00:40,319
>> Before you speak, I'm just I'm sorry.

3997
03:00:40,319 --> 03:00:42,319
I'm playing catch-up. Um, insert

3998
03:00:42,319 --> 03:00:44,080
conditions, insert findings, insert

3999
03:00:44,080 --> 03:00:47,359
findings. So, regardless, rather we just

4000
03:00:47,359 --> 03:00:50,640
we we can approve and that's it or all

4001
03:00:50,640 --> 03:00:52,240
the other three we need to have

4002
03:00:52,240 --> 03:00:54,399
findings. Is that correct?

4003
03:00:54,399 --> 03:00:56,640
>> Is it okay?

4004
03:00:56,640 --> 03:00:58,319
Yeah, just with the caveat if you're

4005
03:00:58,319 --> 03:01:00,880
moving to approve, just say I move to

4006
03:01:00,880 --> 03:01:04,160
approve to amend the plat subdivision

4007
03:01:04,160 --> 03:01:07,680
>> um for because good cause, you know.

4008
03:01:07,680 --> 03:01:09,760
>> Oh, they all four need findings. All

4009
03:01:09,760 --> 03:01:11,680
four. Thank you, Hyram.

4010
03:01:11,680 --> 03:01:13,920
>> Okay. So, I'll move to table the amended

4011
03:01:13,920 --> 03:01:17,120
subdivision plat leaf plat B amended to

4012
03:01:17,120 --> 03:01:20,000
a future meeting based on the following

4013
03:01:20,000 --> 03:01:26,080
to look into the legal um requirements.

4014
03:01:26,080 --> 03:01:30,790
Let me pull that back up

4015
03:01:30,800 --> 03:01:34,720
of if this is

4016
03:01:34,720 --> 03:01:37,200
a trail, a public trail that the city

4017
03:01:37,200 --> 03:01:40,800
can claim under the law because it has

4018
03:01:40,800 --> 03:01:43,920
been used for more than 10 years

4019
03:01:43,920 --> 03:01:48,710
to

4020
03:01:48,720 --> 03:01:51,520
speak to other property owners that

4021
03:01:51,520 --> 03:01:53,600
about the trail to give time for

4022
03:01:53,600 --> 03:01:55,200
further.

4023
03:01:55,200 --> 03:01:57,120
Sorry, let me start that part over to

4024
03:01:57,120 --> 03:02:00,080
give time for more due diligence in

4025
03:02:00,080 --> 03:02:03,279
speaking with other property owners that

4026
03:02:03,279 --> 03:02:06,160
are adjacent to this trail. Um, that's

4027
03:02:06,160 --> 03:02:12,630
second. Number three, understand

4028
03:02:12,640 --> 03:02:16,399
what the fence encroachment

4029
03:02:16,399 --> 03:02:18,479
if it if the fence encroachment cuts off

4030
03:02:18,479 --> 03:02:21,920
the trail or if there is a way that the

4031
03:02:21,920 --> 03:02:24,720
trail could be improved. and then an

4032
03:02:24,720 --> 03:02:27,920
estimated either volunteer hour or just

4033
03:02:27,920 --> 03:02:30,399
I would say number four a plan for

4034
03:02:30,399 --> 03:02:31,920
improvement

4035
03:02:31,920 --> 03:02:34,399
and cost or volunteer hours associated

4036
03:02:34,399 --> 03:02:38,630
with trail improvement.

4037
03:02:38,640 --> 03:02:41,600
» Are you going to

4038
03:02:41,600 --> 03:02:43,840
second your motion? Would you accept an

4039
03:02:43,840 --> 03:02:46,800
amendment to also a fifth condition is

4040
03:02:46,800 --> 03:02:52,160
to investigate um the future of that

4041
03:02:52,160 --> 03:02:56,960
I want to say the east of 28 or is that unclear or am I just unclear

4042
03:02:56,960 --> 03:02:57,920
about it?

4043
03:02:57,920 --> 03:03:00,240
>> The city owns it. So

4044
03:03:00,240 --> 03:03:01,520
>> Oh, we own it. It's just not an

4045
03:03:01,520 --> 03:03:02,560
easement.

4046
03:03:02,560 --> 03:03:03,760
>> No, we own it.

4047
03:03:03,760 --> 03:03:05,680
>> No, I'm not talking about that part. I'm

4048
03:03:05,680 --> 03:03:06,720
talking about 28.

4049
03:03:06,720 --> 03:03:07,600
>> Oh, I'm sorry.

4050
03:03:07,600 --> 03:03:10,160
>> Not 44 88. I know. Yeah.

4051
03:03:10,160 --> 03:03:12,479
>> Yeah. Is that unclear or clear?

4052
03:03:12,479 --> 03:03:14,960
>> It's clearly common area on the flat,

4053
03:03:14,960 --> 03:03:19,279
>> but if we vacate that, then that land would

4054
03:03:19,279 --> 03:03:20,720
go to

4055
03:03:20,720 --> 03:03:21,600
>> That's what I'm concerned

4056
03:03:21,600 --> 03:03:23,200
>> that property owner. And then you said

4057
03:03:23,200 --> 03:03:25,439
that they could

4058
03:03:25,439 --> 03:03:26,080
um

4059
03:03:26,080 --> 03:03:27,680
>> the [clears throat] PL shows an easement

4060
03:03:27,680 --> 03:03:30,880
for the purposes the city is currently

4061
03:03:30,880 --> 03:03:36,560
using it for. So, number five, to add um

4062
03:03:36,560 --> 03:03:38,479
an agreement

4063
03:03:38,479 --> 03:03:42,160
to to add an agreement to have open

4064
03:03:42,160 --> 03:03:44,720
access

4065
03:03:44,720 --> 03:03:45,439
or explore

4066
03:03:45,439 --> 03:03:47,439
>> from Ridge to Beex Park. Yeah.

4067
03:03:47,439 --> 03:03:50,319
>> From Ridge to Beex Park.

4068
03:03:50,319 --> 03:03:53,680
>> So, say the say the

4069
03:03:53,680 --> 03:03:56,880
addition. Oh, condition five is to

4070
03:03:56,880 --> 03:04:01,600
investigate um public access from Ridge

4071
03:04:01,600 --> 03:04:05,760
to Beex Park, which is just east of lot

4072
03:04:05,760 --> 03:04:08,240
28.

4073
03:04:08,240 --> 03:04:10,399
>> It It's actually the Silverleaf open

4074
03:04:10,399 --> 03:04:12,479
space that it connects to.

4075
03:04:12,479 --> 03:04:17,190
>> Oh, I'm sorry about that. Correction.

4076
03:04:17,200 --> 03:04:19,680
um with investigation

4077
03:04:19,680 --> 03:04:23,680
to retain public access between Bridge

4078
03:04:23,680 --> 03:04:26,560
Drive and Silverleaf Open Space which is

4079
03:04:26,560 --> 03:04:29,040
east of lot 28.

4080
03:04:29,040 --> 03:04:35,030
>> Okay, I'll accept that.

4081
03:04:35,040 --> 03:04:39,600
Any other questions or concerns?

4082
03:04:39,600 --> 03:04:40,720
>> Hi.

4083
03:04:40,720 --> 03:04:42,319
>> Oh, okay.

4084
03:04:42,319 --> 03:04:43,920
>> Does someone want to check if the mayor

4085
03:04:43,920 --> 03:04:46,720
is okay? This has never happened.

4086
03:04:46,720 --> 03:04:49,840
No, I mean like physically. Okay.

4087
03:04:49,840 --> 03:04:51,040
>> He asked me.

4088
03:04:51,040 --> 03:04:52,720
>> Okay. I didn't see I didn't I saw just

4089
03:04:52,720 --> 03:04:54,080
vanish. Okay.

4090
03:04:54,080 --> 03:04:57,680
>> Uh no, I just I no we I don't have any

4091
03:04:57,680 --> 03:04:59,520
discussion. I'm obviously for the

4092
03:04:59,520 --> 03:05:00,479
opposite.

4093
03:05:00,479 --> 03:05:01,840
>> Okay. So, we'll move forward with a roll

4094
03:05:01,840 --> 03:05:03,359
call vote.

4095
03:05:03,359 --> 03:05:04,479
>> Sarah Blackwell, yes.

4096
03:05:04,479 --> 03:05:05,840
>> Chrisman, yes.

4097
03:05:05,840 --> 03:05:07,120
>> Andrew Young, no.

4098
03:05:07,120 --> 03:05:10,160
>> Jessica Smeuan, yes.

4099
03:05:10,160 --> 03:05:14,550
The motion to table passes.

4100
03:05:14,560 --> 03:05:17,840
The next item on the agenda is

4101
03:05:17,840 --> 03:05:21,040
action item E, site plan approval of the

4102
03:05:21,040 --> 03:05:33,030
512 building edition.

4103
03:05:33,040 --> 03:05:35,520
» Oh, yes, we do. I make I make a motion

4104
03:05:35,520 --> 03:05:38,960
to extend the meeting no later than

4105
03:05:38,960 --> 03:05:41,200
9:45.

4106
03:05:41,200 --> 03:05:43,279
Wait, are we doing close session for the

4107
03:05:43,279 --> 03:05:44,640
O? Okay.

4108
03:05:44,640 --> 03:05:47,680
>> How about 9:30? Or actually, no. Go

4109
03:05:47,680 --> 03:05:48,960
ahead.

4110
03:05:48,960 --> 03:05:51,600
>> Okay. Till 10:00. I move to extend the

4111
03:05:51,600 --> 03:05:55,110
meeting till 10:00.

4112
03:05:55,120 --> 03:05:56,720
» I have a second.

4113
03:05:56,720 --> 03:05:57,359
>> Second,

4114
03:05:57,359 --> 03:05:59,600
>> Andrew. Sorry. Uh, Councilman Young.

4115
03:05:59,600 --> 03:06:01,600
>> Okay. We have a motion to extend till 10

4116
03:06:01,600 --> 03:06:04,000
and a second.

4117
03:06:04,000 --> 03:06:05,520
>> No discussion. Just vote.

4118
03:06:05,520 --> 03:06:07,520
>> Sarah Blackwell. Yes. Chris, yes.

4119
03:06:07,520 --> 03:06:08,399
>> Andrew Young, yes.

4120
03:06:08,399 --> 03:06:11,920
>> Jessica Smean, yes.

4121
03:06:11,920 --> 03:06:15,920
>> All right. Thank you, council members.

4122
03:06:15,920 --> 03:06:18,399
So, this next item, uh, as council

4123
03:06:18,399 --> 03:06:21,279
member Spewan said, is to review the 512

4124
03:06:21,279 --> 03:06:24,319
commercial site plan, and this is

4125
03:06:24,319 --> 03:06:28,080
proposed for 168 South Main Street, um,

4126
03:06:28,080 --> 03:06:30,319
and is proposing an addition to a

4127
03:06:30,319 --> 03:06:31,760
currently commercial uh, currently

4128
03:06:31,760 --> 03:06:34,080
existing commercial building. And this

4129
03:06:34,080 --> 03:06:35,760
building addition is to support their

4130
03:06:35,760 --> 03:06:37,760
ongoing operational needs and provide

4131
03:06:37,760 --> 03:06:40,319
more space for their nonprofit ventures.

4132
03:06:40,319 --> 03:06:44,560
Um, the 512 is a nonprofit foundation

4133
03:06:44,560 --> 03:06:46,240
organization geared to helping feed

4134
03:06:46,240 --> 03:06:48,880
children. The applicant said that this

4135
03:06:48,880 --> 03:06:50,319
elementary school kids in the United

4136
03:06:50,319 --> 03:06:51,600
States are going home from school on

4137
03:06:51,600 --> 03:06:52,960
Friday and coming back to school hungry

4138
03:06:52,960 --> 03:06:56,080
on Monday. And so the 512 Foundation

4139
03:06:56,080 --> 03:06:58,000
provides weekend backpacks full of food

4140
03:06:58,000 --> 03:07:01,120
for those students in need. So they've

4141
03:07:01,120 --> 03:07:02,399
already met with the planning commission

4142
03:07:02,399 --> 03:07:04,800
and worked to meet the Gateway Historic

4143
03:07:04,800 --> 03:07:07,520
Design guidelines. And after after doing

4144
03:07:07,520 --> 03:07:09,040
that and deliberating together, the

4145
03:07:09,040 --> 03:07:11,120
planning commission has recommended

4146
03:07:11,120 --> 03:07:13,279
approval um to the city council that

4147
03:07:13,279 --> 03:07:16,960
they meet those guidelines. Um so the

4148
03:07:16,960 --> 03:07:19,359
site plan staff has found that it meets

4149
03:07:19,359 --> 03:07:21,120
the business commercial zone code

4150
03:07:21,120 --> 03:07:22,880
requirements and the gateway historic

4151
03:07:22,880 --> 03:07:24,720
zone requirements.

4152
03:07:24,720 --> 03:07:27,279
Um it is a industrial looking building

4153
03:07:27,279 --> 03:07:29,120
with dark brick, black metal trims and

4154
03:07:29,120 --> 03:07:32,240
accents to complement the main material.

4155
03:07:32,240 --> 03:07:34,479
Um, there is some discussion I put in

4156
03:07:34,479 --> 03:07:36,319
here about a water tower that was

4157
03:07:36,319 --> 03:07:38,240
originally proposed near the front of

4158
03:07:38,240 --> 03:07:40,319
the site. The planning commission went

4159
03:07:40,319 --> 03:07:42,000
ahead and decided to remove that from

4160
03:07:42,000 --> 03:07:44,399
the site plan um, just so it can be

4161
03:07:44,399 --> 03:07:46,640
considered more fully at a later date.

4162
03:07:46,640 --> 03:07:48,399
So, it is not currently on the site plan

4163
03:07:48,399 --> 03:07:50,479
as of today.

4164
03:07:50,479 --> 03:07:52,000
Um,

4165
03:07:52,000 --> 03:07:54,560
there are a couple benches along the

4166
03:07:54,560 --> 03:07:56,880
sidewalk uh to try to meet the

4167
03:07:56,880 --> 03:07:59,200
streetscaping requirements of the

4168
03:07:59,200 --> 03:08:02,560
Gateway Historic Design guidelines. Um,

4169
03:08:02,560 --> 03:08:06,560
they they might need one or two more to meet the requirement of one every 30

4170
03:08:06,560 --> 03:08:08,319
feet. So, staff would recommend looking

4171
03:08:08,319 --> 03:08:11,359
into that. Um, in the future, there's a

4172
03:08:11,359 --> 03:08:12,720
desire to have an office building near

4173
03:08:12,720 --> 03:08:17,439
the front of the site. Um, and that

4174
03:08:17,439 --> 03:08:18,960
office building, there was some concern

4175
03:08:18,960 --> 03:08:20,720
at some point that if they did do that,

4176
03:08:20,720 --> 03:08:22,720
they wouldn't have enough landscaping,

4177
03:08:22,720 --> 03:08:24,479
but they have shown on their site plan

4178
03:08:24,479 --> 03:08:26,399
that they still will meet the 20%

4179
03:08:26,399 --> 03:08:29,040
coverage requirement. So, that's uh no

4180
03:08:29,040 --> 03:08:31,520
longer a worry there. And then the

4181
03:08:31,520 --> 03:08:33,279
parking uh requirement for this

4182
03:08:33,279 --> 03:08:35,200
application

4183
03:08:35,200 --> 03:08:38,720
is uh under 324040

4184
03:08:38,720 --> 03:08:40,960
and under the use category of industrial

4185
03:08:40,960 --> 03:08:43,200
and wholesale establishments.

4186
03:08:43,200 --> 03:08:46,560
Uh and so that requires that there is a

4187
03:08:46,560 --> 03:08:48,479
space for every two employees during the

4188
03:08:48,479 --> 03:08:51,200
largest shift. The largest shift is 75

4189
03:08:51,200 --> 03:08:53,680
employees and so 38 stalls uh were

4190
03:08:53,680 --> 03:08:56,080
deemed necessary for that. And the

4191
03:08:56,080 --> 03:08:58,319
parking lot actually well exceeds that

4192
03:08:58,319 --> 03:08:59,840
requirement because they're anticipating

4193
03:08:59,840 --> 03:09:01,520
the needs for the future office building

4194
03:09:01,520 --> 03:09:03,279
as well.

4195
03:09:03,279 --> 03:09:04,560
Um and then there's the planning

4196
03:09:04,560 --> 03:09:06,960
commission recommendation. I'm sure you

4197
03:09:06,960 --> 03:09:09,279
got to read through that.

4198
03:09:09,279 --> 03:09:10,800
Um,

4199
03:09:10,800 --> 03:09:12,399
one thing I'd like to point out in the

4200
03:09:12,399 --> 03:09:15,840
general plan, it does say that uh the

4201
03:09:15,840 --> 03:09:18,479
business commercial zone should have

4202
03:09:18,479 --> 03:09:20,720
commercial uses that serve the

4203
03:09:20,720 --> 03:09:23,040
community. Um, and so I think it's

4204
03:09:23,040 --> 03:09:25,439
pretty clear, uh, I guess in staff's

4205
03:09:25,439 --> 03:09:27,680
opinion that this is a use that would

4206
03:09:27,680 --> 03:09:30,319
contribute to that, uh, contribute to

4207
03:09:30,319 --> 03:09:32,640
that goal and motive of the general plan

4208
03:09:32,640 --> 03:09:34,399
to serve the community and further those

4209
03:09:34,399 --> 03:09:37,520
needs or further solving those needs

4210
03:09:37,520 --> 03:09:40,640
that are out there. Um, so the staff

4211
03:09:40,640 --> 03:09:43,120
would recommend that the city council

4212
03:09:43,120 --> 03:09:44,880
consider approving the proposed site

4213
03:09:44,880 --> 03:09:48,800
plan for the new 512 edition building at

4214
03:09:48,800 --> 03:09:51,520
168 South Main Street. on condition that

4215
03:09:51,520 --> 03:09:55,840
the streetscaping requirement is met.

4216
03:09:55,840 --> 03:09:59,040
So I'll go ahead and show the site plan

4217
03:09:59,040 --> 03:10:04,326
here.

4218
03:10:04,336 --> 03:10:07,590
[snorts]

4219
03:10:07,600 --> 03:10:10,160
And we what Kaden, as you're doing this,

4220
03:10:10,160 --> 03:10:14,000
will you explain the the some of the

4221
03:10:14,000 --> 03:10:16,080
things you just talked about such as the

4222
03:10:16,080 --> 03:10:18,399
Oh, yeah. Uh such as the

4223
03:10:18,399 --> 03:10:21,200
>> Why am I escaping? Yes, for sure. So,

4224
03:10:21,200 --> 03:10:24,000
>> being planned like and any parking as I

4225
03:10:24,000 --> 03:10:26,720
mean I watched the whole episode of

4226
03:10:26,720 --> 03:10:29,600
planning commission and I read it. Uh

4227
03:10:29,600 --> 03:10:31,920
but if you could keep explaining it, it

4228
03:10:31,920 --> 03:10:33,200
helps with these diagrams.

4229
03:10:33,200 --> 03:10:36,319
>> Yes, for sure. Um so yeah, the green,

4230
03:10:36,319 --> 03:10:37,920
this is the site plan. The green kind of

4231
03:10:37,920 --> 03:10:39,840
around it represents the landscaping and

4232
03:10:39,840 --> 03:10:41,279
they al they also have a landscape plan

4233
03:10:41,279 --> 03:10:43,359
as part of their submitt that we can

4234
03:10:43,359 --> 03:10:45,120
look at. Um but that's where the

4235
03:10:45,120 --> 03:10:46,560
landscaping will go is kind of around

4236
03:10:46,560 --> 03:10:49,279
the site. Um you can see here is where

4237
03:10:49,279 --> 03:10:52,080
the future proposed office building is.

4238
03:10:52,080 --> 03:10:54,240
Um that's not for consideration at this

4239
03:10:54,240 --> 03:10:56,399
time. Uh just showing where it would go

4240
03:10:56,399 --> 03:10:59,120
if that is pursued. Um [snorts] you can

4241
03:10:59,120 --> 03:11:01,600
see the two benches over here that are

4242
03:11:01,600 --> 03:11:03,439
seeking to meet that streetscaping

4243
03:11:03,439 --> 03:11:05,920
requirement for the Gateway historic

4244
03:11:05,920 --> 03:11:08,800
design guidelines. Um and that's why

4245
03:11:08,800 --> 03:11:10,399
staff recommended that they may they

4246
03:11:10,399 --> 03:11:12,000
might need one or two more to meet that

4247
03:11:12,000 --> 03:11:14,319
every 30 feet have something along that

4248
03:11:14,319 --> 03:11:16,800
sidewalk.

4249
03:11:16,800 --> 03:11:18,560
Um,

4250
03:11:18,560 --> 03:11:20,960
this is the addition. So, this is the

4251
03:11:20,960 --> 03:11:23,439
currently existing site. Um, where kind

4252
03:11:23,439 --> 03:11:24,960
of my cursor is going around. And then

4253
03:11:24,960 --> 03:11:27,359
the addition is this portion back here.

4254
03:11:27,359 --> 03:11:29,760
>> Kayen, can you orient while you're doing

4255
03:11:29,760 --> 03:11:31,600
this? I I'm having a hard time. And I I

4256
03:11:31,600 --> 03:11:33,359
even went there today.

4257
03:11:33,359 --> 03:11:35,200
>> I'm having a hard time where Main Street

4258
03:11:35,200 --> 03:11:37,439
is. Okay. So, there's 100 West. I

4259
03:11:37,439 --> 03:11:38,640
couldn't see the streets.

4260
03:11:38,640 --> 03:11:40,399
>> Yes. So, Main Street is here on the east

4261
03:11:40,399 --> 03:11:42,640
side. Just going down. Sorry about that.

4262
03:11:42,640 --> 03:11:43,600
>> Thank you.

4263
03:11:43,600 --> 03:11:46,560
>> Yeah. really close to here where we are

4264
03:11:46,560 --> 03:11:48,479
currently everything is pushed way back

4265
03:11:48,479 --> 03:11:49,600
far.

4266
03:11:49,600 --> 03:11:51,680
>> Correct. The new addition is proposed

4267
03:11:51,680 --> 03:11:53,520
for very far back on the site from the

4268
03:11:53,520 --> 03:11:54,479
front property line.

4269
03:11:54,479 --> 03:11:56,240
>> It was off screen. Thank you.

4270
03:11:56,240 --> 03:11:59,439
>> Yes. Um

4271
03:11:59,439 --> 03:12:01,120
and as you can see, there is an

4272
03:12:01,120 --> 03:12:04,319
abundance of of parking here. ADA uh

4273
03:12:04,319 --> 03:12:06,720
sufficient amount of ADA stalls. Um

4274
03:12:06,720 --> 03:12:08,479
right here actually on the right side

4275
03:12:08,479 --> 03:12:10,399
shows how they're meeting all these

4276
03:12:10,399 --> 03:12:12,960
requirements that I'm talking about.

4277
03:12:12,960 --> 03:12:17,279
Um so the 38 stalls required um and then

4278
03:12:17,279 --> 03:12:18,640
future office building they're already

4279
03:12:18,640 --> 03:12:20,560
taking that into consideration with this

4280
03:12:20,560 --> 03:12:23,120
parking. Um so they're meeting that and

4281
03:12:23,120 --> 03:12:27,920
then the landscaping will be uh 23% even

4282
03:12:27,920 --> 03:12:31,439
after that building goes in if it does.

4283
03:12:31,439 --> 03:12:35,040
Um right now it's at 31% of the site

4284
03:12:35,040 --> 03:12:39,990
going around everywhere.

4285
03:12:40,000 --> 03:12:41,840
All right, I'll move on from this for

4286
03:12:41,840 --> 03:12:43,359
now. If there's no more questions on the

4287
03:12:43,359 --> 03:12:47,750
site plan right now.

4288
03:12:47,760 --> 03:12:52,560
So, here's the elevations of it.

4289
03:12:52,560 --> 03:12:54,399
Um so originally they had a much

4290
03:12:54,399 --> 03:12:56,319
different proposed

4291
03:12:56,319 --> 03:13:00,720
um exterior material setup and then with

4292
03:13:00,720 --> 03:13:05,040
revision to comply more with the

4293
03:13:05,040 --> 03:13:10,640
historic gateway design guidelines they revised and and came out with this

4294
03:13:10,640 --> 03:13:14,240
exterior design plan for the building

4295
03:13:14,240 --> 03:13:16,880
the addition. Um, so you can see it has

4296
03:13:16,880 --> 03:13:21,920
quite the the industrial look with the dark brick. Um, different metals

4297
03:13:21,920 --> 03:13:24,479
here. This is existing corrugated metal

4298
03:13:24,479 --> 03:13:26,880
panel as well as up here is existing

4299
03:13:26,880 --> 03:13:28,640
already.

4300
03:13:28,640 --> 03:13:30,800
Um,

4301
03:13:30,800 --> 03:13:32,960
from what I understand the sign may or

4302
03:13:32,960 --> 03:13:34,160
may not be like this, but they will

4303
03:13:34,160 --> 03:13:36,479
pursue a sign permit in the future as

4304
03:13:36,479 --> 03:13:40,160
necessary to to meet code. Um, this is

4305
03:13:40,160 --> 03:13:41,920
just for

4306
03:13:41,920 --> 03:13:45,359
just theoretical purposes only.

4307
03:13:45,359 --> 03:13:46,880
Um,

4308
03:13:46,880 --> 03:13:49,279
you can see there's uh smoke stacks just

4309
03:13:49,279 --> 03:13:51,359
as a design element, not intended to be

4310
03:13:51,359 --> 03:13:55,040
used for that at all.

4311
03:13:55,040 --> 03:13:57,040
And then let me go to the AI rendering

4312
03:13:57,040 --> 03:14:02,710
here.

4313
03:14:02,720 --> 03:14:05,760
So you can see um

4314
03:14:05,760 --> 03:14:08,239
very much kind of a an industrial look

4315
03:14:08,239 --> 03:14:10,880
here um to try to comply with those

4316
03:14:10,880 --> 03:14:13,359
design guidelines and really fit into

4317
03:14:13,359 --> 03:14:16,560
the to the heart of Alpine. Um shows the

4318
03:14:16,560 --> 03:14:18,399
water tower over here that has been

4319
03:14:18,399 --> 03:14:20,800
removed from the site plan to be pursued

4320
03:14:20,800 --> 03:14:22,720
potentially at a later date. Yeah.

4321
03:14:22,720 --> 03:14:24,640
>> Oh my gosh. So AI thought this was like

4322
03:14:24,640 --> 03:14:26,640
such an old building that The only

4323
03:14:26,640 --> 03:14:27,920
reason I can tell is because the car on

4324
03:14:27,920 --> 03:14:31,120
the left that has two fronts. Um,

4325
03:14:31,120 --> 03:14:33,920
>> very very classic Alpine cars there in

4326
03:14:33,920 --> 03:14:34,720
the AI image.

4327
03:14:34,720 --> 03:14:36,479
>> No, it literally because it does it does

4328
03:14:36,479 --> 03:14:39,120
look like you know the uh what do they

4329
03:14:39,120 --> 03:14:41,680
call it? The England uh I don't even

4330
03:14:41,680 --> 03:14:43,359
know the words, but uh

4331
03:14:43,359 --> 03:14:45,359
>> Model A maybe. I mean that's Ford, but

4332
03:14:45,359 --> 03:14:45,680
yeah,

4333
03:14:45,680 --> 03:14:48,000
>> the factories of the turn of the

4334
03:14:48,000 --> 03:14:49,279
century. Anyways, go ahead.

4335
03:14:49,279 --> 03:14:52,080
>> Yeah.

4336
03:14:52,080 --> 03:14:53,920
All right, let's see. Is there anything

4337
03:14:53,920 --> 03:14:56,319
else pertinent? Probably Oh, I guess

4338
03:14:56,319 --> 03:14:57,840
I'll show the landscape pen just since

4339
03:14:57,840 --> 03:15:02,229
we talked about that.

4340
03:15:02,239 --> 03:15:05,279
So, here's the the full robust landscape

4341
03:15:05,279 --> 03:15:09,520
plan of all the different um plants and

4342
03:15:09,520 --> 03:15:14,239
shrubs that will go in. Um, and

4343
03:15:14,239 --> 03:15:16,319
a native grass and wildflower seed mix

4344
03:15:16,319 --> 03:15:18,479
will be provided here for any areas

4345
03:15:18,479 --> 03:15:22,800
disturbed during the construction of the addition.

4346
03:15:22,800 --> 03:15:24,560
>> I heard I heard the big talk about that.

4347
03:15:24,560 --> 03:15:27,200
was good.

4348
03:15:27,200 --> 03:15:28,880
So, if there's no further questions

4349
03:15:28,880 --> 03:15:30,640
right now, I'll go ahead and hand it

4350
03:15:30,640 --> 03:15:34,630
back to the mayor.

4351
03:15:34,640 --> 03:15:37,120
» Okay. So, does anyone have any questions

4352
03:15:37,120 --> 03:15:39,279
for Kaden on his presentation?

4353
03:15:39,279 --> 03:15:42,239
>> Um, one question. It's my understanding

4354
03:15:42,239 --> 03:15:45,439
and correct me if I'm wrong, but that uh

4355
03:15:45,439 --> 03:15:48,479
warehouse is not approved is not a

4356
03:15:48,479 --> 03:15:51,200
approved use in our business commercial.

4357
03:15:51,200 --> 03:15:52,319
Is that

4358
03:15:52,319 --> 03:15:54,000
>> so? That's correct. warehouse is not

4359
03:15:54,000 --> 03:15:57,200
listed on the permitted uses there. Um,

4360
03:15:57,200 --> 03:15:59,840
the applicant realized that the name

4361
03:15:59,840 --> 03:16:02,720
warehouse might be misleading or even a

4362
03:16:02,720 --> 03:16:06,319
misnomer to with regards to the the

4363
03:16:06,319 --> 03:16:08,880
purpose of this addition. Um, it's very

4364
03:16:08,880 --> 03:16:12,080
much for the uh just the space to be

4365
03:16:12,080 --> 03:16:14,720
able to operate their their nonprofit

4366
03:16:14,720 --> 03:16:20,880
ventures and is not intended to have the specs and the scale of a warehouse.

4367
03:16:20,880 --> 03:16:24,160
Um, both in height and in uh port

4368
03:16:24,160 --> 03:16:27,040
access, semiac, anything like that.

4369
03:16:27,040 --> 03:16:33,670
>> Thank you.

4370
03:16:33,680 --> 03:16:36,479
Um, I did have I I was I walked the

4371
03:16:36,479 --> 03:16:39,200
property and I'm familiar with the um

4372
03:16:39,200 --> 03:16:42,880
operations um because I'm a neighbor and

4373
03:16:42,880 --> 03:16:47,200
my have personal connections to the um

4374
03:16:47,200 --> 03:16:52,000
directors of the operations and uh

4375
03:16:52,000 --> 03:16:54,239
the property with like that's all the

4376
03:16:54,239 --> 03:16:56,560
X's that you just showed is really well

4377
03:16:56,560 --> 03:16:59,040
landscaped for what limited space they

4378
03:16:59,040 --> 03:17:02,080
do have which it was encouraging for

4379
03:17:02,080 --> 03:17:04,160
like because it's the perimeter is going

4380
03:17:04,160 --> 03:17:06,800
to uh be the buffer there or and also

4381
03:17:06,800 --> 03:17:08,560
that we're going to landscape the front

4382
03:17:08,560 --> 03:17:11,600
of Main Street. So, my compliments to

4383
03:17:11,600 --> 03:17:16,479
that. Also, um there was um additional

4384
03:17:16,479 --> 03:17:18,319
um like trees and stuff added which I

4385
03:17:18,319 --> 03:17:21,600
know is important to the the people

4386
03:17:21,600 --> 03:17:26,479
involved. Um, also I did have a question

4387
03:17:26,479 --> 03:17:28,399
um, in speaking to the director and I

4388
03:17:28,399 --> 03:17:30,479
know the applicant's here as well and I

4389
03:17:30,479 --> 03:17:31,600
just would like to share this

4390
03:17:31,600 --> 03:17:32,880
information because it was just because

4391
03:17:32,880 --> 03:17:35,600
of my personal relationship that the a

4392
03:17:35,600 --> 03:17:38,080
lot of the additional space is um,

4393
03:17:38,080 --> 03:17:40,319
actually correctly labeled as an office

4394
03:17:40,319 --> 03:17:42,880
building. they um when they have the

4395
03:17:42,880 --> 03:17:45,200
this is a nonprofit and so when they

4396
03:17:45,200 --> 03:17:47,520
have people that come and volunteer in

4397
03:17:47,520 --> 03:17:50,080
this um they want to explain what

4398
03:17:50,080 --> 03:17:51,840
they're doing and like how this benefits

4399
03:17:51,840 --> 03:17:54,560
our community um and so that it's more

4400
03:17:54,560 --> 03:17:56,479
of an educational space and there'll be

4401
03:17:56,479 --> 03:17:59,200
some offices as well for the directors.

4402
03:17:59,200 --> 03:18:00,880
I'm not sure how else the space will be

4403
03:18:00,880 --> 03:18:03,840
used, but it the the addition itself is

4404
03:18:03,840 --> 03:18:09,120
not really functioning in any way like a warehouse from what um I understand.

4405
03:18:09,120 --> 03:18:10,720
And I if you have if you have a

4406
03:18:10,720 --> 03:18:12,720
difference of information, I'd be happy

4407
03:18:12,720 --> 03:18:15,279
to hear it. So my my primary concern

4408
03:18:15,279 --> 03:18:18,560
following um Sarah's comments is the

4409
03:18:18,560 --> 03:18:21,359
original building is operating like a

4410
03:18:21,359 --> 03:18:23,920
nonprofit warehouse. A nonprofit

4411
03:18:23,920 --> 03:18:26,000
warehouse is um defined to be a food

4412
03:18:26,000 --> 03:18:28,880
bank, which means they bring in um

4413
03:18:28,880 --> 03:18:31,520
commercial foods products and then

4414
03:18:31,520 --> 03:18:34,319
distribute it at no cost, you know, and

4415
03:18:34,319 --> 03:18:36,319
that's exactly what's happening in the

4416
03:18:36,319 --> 03:18:38,800
um existing building is it's functioning

4417
03:18:38,800 --> 03:18:42,000
like a nonprofit or a food bank. And so

4418
03:18:42,000 --> 03:18:45,120
since it's not a permitted use um to

4419
03:18:45,120 --> 03:18:47,279
have a food bank in our city and I'm not

4420
03:18:47,279 --> 03:18:49,120
in any way opposed to that a food bank

4421
03:18:49,120 --> 03:18:52,080
or the operations my concern is that at

4422
03:18:52,080 --> 03:18:53,920
any point and even with all the

4423
03:18:53,920 --> 03:18:56,000
investment it's unlikely this property

4424
03:18:56,000 --> 03:18:58,239
would turn over but let's just say 50

4425
03:18:58,239 --> 03:19:00,319
years from now it does turn over that

4426
03:19:00,319 --> 03:19:02,080
somehow they would have their foot in

4427
03:19:02,080 --> 03:19:03,680
the door to become a commercial

4428
03:19:03,680 --> 03:19:06,000
warehouse which is not permitted as

4429
03:19:06,000 --> 03:19:08,560
Sarah brought up. So, is there any way,

4430
03:19:08,560 --> 03:19:10,640
and this maybe is Hyram's area of

4431
03:19:10,640 --> 03:19:15,840
expertise, to sort of say that this the use is very defined to be a

4432
03:19:15,840 --> 03:19:18,720
nonprofit food bank, even though that's

4433
03:19:18,720 --> 03:19:20,960
not defined in our code.

4434
03:19:20,960 --> 03:19:23,279
>> Yeah, I don't know exactly what the

4435
03:19:23,279 --> 03:19:26,000
planning commission said down below. Um

4436
03:19:26,000 --> 03:19:28,239
but yeah, it from my understanding in

4437
03:19:28,239 --> 03:19:30,000
the code, the planning commission had

4438
03:19:30,000 --> 03:19:32,239
the authority to permit

4439
03:19:32,239 --> 03:19:35,920
um a specific use that isn't in our

4440
03:19:35,920 --> 03:19:37,279
permitted use table.

4441
03:19:37,279 --> 03:19:39,359
>> Right. Do we have that same authority if

4442
03:19:39,359 --> 03:19:41,520
they didn't make that motion?

4443
03:19:41,520 --> 03:19:44,319
>> Um I I haven't dug through your whole

4444
03:19:44,319 --> 03:19:45,920
code. I've just seen that one provision

4445
03:19:45,920 --> 03:19:47,520
and it seems to suggest that it's the

4446
03:19:47,520 --> 03:19:48,640
planning commission that has that

4447
03:19:48,640 --> 03:19:49,520
authority

4448
03:19:49,520 --> 03:19:53,040
>> only and they like we don't Okay. Now

4449
03:19:53,040 --> 03:19:54,640
certainly you can amend the code, right,

4450
03:19:54,640 --> 03:19:57,040
to say that they don't or that you have

4451
03:19:57,040 --> 03:19:59,120
that authority, right? Um Okay. And

4452
03:19:59,120 --> 03:20:01,200
that's something that that's something

4453
03:20:01,200 --> 03:20:02,560
you guys may want to look at.

4454
03:20:02,560 --> 03:20:04,479
>> Yeah, that's really my only concern is

4455
03:20:04,479 --> 03:20:07,760
that I'm everything looks great and um I

4456
03:20:07,760 --> 03:20:10,319
really really like the design elements

4457
03:20:10,319 --> 03:20:12,479
that they've added. And like I said, the

4458
03:20:12,479 --> 03:20:14,080
landscaping, I look forward to all those

4459
03:20:14,080 --> 03:20:17,359
trees. It's going to be awesome. Um I

4460
03:20:17,359 --> 03:20:19,439
the work done there is amazing. It's a

4461
03:20:19,439 --> 03:20:22,319
huge um draw for our community. Um,

4462
03:20:22,319 --> 03:20:25,040
there was a little bit of mis

4463
03:20:25,040 --> 03:20:27,359
the way they described the 75 employees.

4464
03:20:27,359 --> 03:20:30,000
I don't believe 512 has 75 employees. I

4465
03:20:30,000 --> 03:20:33,120
do believe they have 75 volunteers,

4466
03:20:33,120 --> 03:20:35,439
which would make that more fit the

4467
03:20:35,439 --> 03:20:37,680
definition of a food bank. So, I would

4468
03:20:37,680 --> 03:20:39,920
love to permit it as a food bank so that

4469
03:20:39,920 --> 03:20:42,800
it continues operating as a food bank as

4470
03:20:42,800 --> 03:20:45,600
long as it needs to be. And then I just

4471
03:20:45,600 --> 03:20:47,279
don't know how to make that happen.

4472
03:20:47,279 --> 03:20:48,960
>> Chrissy, is your concern, if I can ask,

4473
03:20:48,960 --> 03:20:50,880
because I'm genuinely curious. You're

4474
03:20:50,880 --> 03:20:54,000
worried about warehouse type stuff

4475
03:20:54,000 --> 03:20:55,520
happening. Is that correct?

4476
03:20:55,520 --> 03:20:58,080
>> No, no, not warehouse type happening as

4477
03:20:58,080 --> 03:20:59,600
a food bank. I'm worried that if it

4478
03:20:59,600 --> 03:21:00,640
would change hands

4479
03:21:00,640 --> 03:21:03,120
>> Yeah. Like it would become a warehouse,

4480
03:21:03,120 --> 03:21:04,239
a commercial warehouse,

4481
03:21:04,239 --> 03:21:06,560
>> backpacks or whatever. Yeah.

4482
03:21:06,560 --> 03:21:09,040
>> Right. Because I mean the operations are

4483
03:21:09,040 --> 03:21:10,880
the same, but I I think the impact on

4484
03:21:10,880 --> 03:21:12,399
the community is very different. It's a

4485
03:21:12,399 --> 03:21:14,160
if it's a commercial warehouse and

4486
03:21:14,160 --> 03:21:15,359
that's why they're not allowed in our

4487
03:21:15,359 --> 03:21:17,920
code. So, I'm trying to I'm trying to

4488
03:21:17,920 --> 03:21:20,160
allow this to happen and keep it the way

4489
03:21:20,160 --> 03:21:22,640
it is forever and always until it

4490
03:21:22,640 --> 03:21:24,000
changes ownership.

4491
03:21:24,000 --> 03:21:26,479
>> So, why would future use change to a

4492
03:21:26,479 --> 03:21:28,160
warehouse if we don't allow warehouse

4493
03:21:28,160 --> 03:21:30,399
right now?

4494
03:21:30,399 --> 03:21:32,800
>> I think it would be like saying anything

4495
03:21:32,800 --> 03:21:35,439
in our commercial zone if it changes

4496
03:21:35,439 --> 03:21:37,359
owners would run the risk of then

4497
03:21:37,359 --> 03:21:40,560
becoming some other use. It doesn't. It

4498
03:21:40,560 --> 03:21:43,279
just stays the use that was approved.

4499
03:21:43,279 --> 03:21:44,640
That's why I want to approve it as a

4500
03:21:44,640 --> 03:21:47,520
food bank.

4501
03:21:47,520 --> 03:21:49,439
>> A question on that. Or you're not done

4502
03:21:49,439 --> 03:21:50,479
yet, right? Keep going. I'll

4503
03:21:50,479 --> 03:21:52,800
>> No, no. I I'm It's those are that's my

4504
03:21:52,800 --> 03:21:54,560
concern. I I don't know how to get there

4505
03:21:54,560 --> 03:21:55,279
from where we are.

4506
03:21:55,279 --> 03:21:57,200
>> Remember, just because of former issues

4507
03:21:57,200 --> 03:21:58,640
that have come up, we have like a list

4508
03:21:58,640 --> 03:22:00,880
of specific things allowed in the

4509
03:22:00,880 --> 03:22:04,319
exceptions and as approved things in the

4510
03:22:04,319 --> 03:22:07,279
business commercial zone. Do is a food

4511
03:22:07,279 --> 03:22:09,840
bank one of those? Because warehouses

4512
03:22:09,840 --> 03:22:12,560
I'm hearing is not. We know other ones

4513
03:22:12,560 --> 03:22:14,800
that have applied that have not been

4514
03:22:14,800 --> 03:22:16,479
approved and asked for exceptions. Is

4515
03:22:16,479 --> 03:22:19,279
this need an exception or is this fall

4516
03:22:19,279 --> 03:22:21,040
in line with one of those categories

4517
03:22:21,040 --> 03:22:22,880
that is allowed in the business

4518
03:22:22,880 --> 03:22:24,000
commercial zone?

4519
03:22:24,000 --> 03:22:26,160
>> So Shane, do you know how it got

4520
03:22:26,160 --> 03:22:29,279
approved? My understanding is that the

4521
03:22:29,279 --> 03:22:31,120
use is existing and it's grandfathered

4522
03:22:31,120 --> 03:22:33,120
in. I have no idea what the process was

4523
03:22:33,120 --> 03:22:36,239
or when it happened. I don't

4524
03:22:36,239 --> 03:22:37,680
>> So you're you're saying there's already

4525
03:22:37,680 --> 03:22:38,800
an exception, therefore it's

4526
03:22:38,800 --> 03:22:39,439
grandfathered in.

4527
03:22:39,439 --> 03:22:40,800
>> I don't know. That's what I'm asking.

4528
03:22:40,800 --> 03:22:42,160
Okay. I don't because I don't know how

4529
03:22:42,160 --> 03:22:43,600
this happened. Do you know what I mean?

4530
03:22:43,600 --> 03:22:45,680
I I really don't I don't know. I don't

4531
03:22:45,680 --> 03:22:46,640
remember

4532
03:22:46,640 --> 03:22:48,880
>> looking at this or you know because it's

4533
03:22:48,880 --> 03:22:50,640
been h I mean obviously it's been there

4534
03:22:50,640 --> 03:22:52,080
for a while.

4535
03:22:52,080 --> 03:22:53,680
>> I don't remember I don't

4536
03:22:53,680 --> 03:22:56,319
>> the land ownership changed in 2016.

4537
03:22:56,319 --> 03:22:57,040
>> I'm sorry.

4538
03:22:57,040 --> 03:22:58,880
>> I just looked it up on the county parcel

4539
03:22:58,880 --> 03:23:02,160
map. The land ownership changed to 2016.

4540
03:23:02,160 --> 03:23:03,680
In 2016 and then

4541
03:23:03,680 --> 03:23:04,960
>> was it just a change in name? Do you

4542
03:23:04,960 --> 03:23:07,200
know? Or was it an actual sale to a new

4543
03:23:07,200 --> 03:23:07,680
person?

4544
03:23:07,680 --> 03:23:09,840
>> Oh, it's a sale to a new person. Okay.

4545
03:23:09,840 --> 03:23:11,520
>> I don't know when the use changed but

4546
03:23:11,520 --> 03:23:12,720
that's when the ownership changed.

4547
03:23:12,720 --> 03:23:14,399
>> So whether it's been being used as a

4548
03:23:14,399 --> 03:23:18,160
certain way or not is that do we allow

4549
03:23:18,160 --> 03:23:20,560
or does the code need to be amended or

4550
03:23:20,560 --> 03:23:22,560
changed in order to allow food banks in

4551
03:23:22,560 --> 03:23:24,000
the business commercial zone?

4552
03:23:24,000 --> 03:23:25,920
>> Do you want to show that item 10 in the

4553
03:23:25,920 --> 03:23:26,960
permitted uses

4554
03:23:26,960 --> 03:23:28,640
>> and pardon if this is understood? I I

4555
03:23:28,640 --> 03:23:31,279
just am not clear.

4556
03:23:31,279 --> 03:23:33,920
>> So So there's a list of permitted uses

4557
03:23:33,920 --> 03:23:35,359
in the BC zone,

4558
03:23:35,359 --> 03:23:38,960
>> right? Item 10 in there is really the

4559
03:23:38,960 --> 03:23:41,359
only one that appears to fit the

4560
03:23:41,359 --> 03:23:43,120
situation. Can we look at number 10?

4561
03:23:43,120 --> 03:23:45,520
>> And it's kind of for anything

4562
03:23:45,520 --> 03:23:46,800
>> uses which are determined by the

4563
03:23:46,800 --> 03:23:48,560
>> similar use or whatever that's not

4564
03:23:48,560 --> 03:23:50,239
identified as a permitted use

4565
03:23:50,239 --> 03:23:52,800
>> uses in harmony with the intent of the

4566
03:23:52,800 --> 03:23:54,960
zone. Oh, so that's just like broad for

4567
03:23:54,960 --> 03:23:55,680
anything.

4568
03:23:55,680 --> 03:23:58,319
>> But it says the planning commission

4569
03:23:58,319 --> 03:23:59,680
>> approves that.

4570
03:23:59,680 --> 03:24:00,399
>> Weird.

4571
03:24:00,399 --> 03:24:02,080
>> Determined by the planning commission.

4572
03:24:02,080 --> 03:24:04,640
>> Why would we write a complete broad No

4573
03:24:04,640 --> 03:24:06,239
offense. Why would we write a complete

4574
03:24:06,239 --> 03:24:09,040
broad open-ended thing that a elected

4575
03:24:09,040 --> 03:24:11,520
body would never have a say in?

4576
03:24:11,520 --> 03:24:13,359
>> I don't I've never noticed that in there

4577
03:24:13,359 --> 03:24:15,359
to be honest with you.

4578
03:24:15,359 --> 03:24:17,040
>> Snuck that guy.

4579
03:24:17,040 --> 03:24:18,560
>> It will be up to the planning

4580
03:24:18,560 --> 03:24:20,800
commission, but it would be compatible.

4581
03:24:20,800 --> 03:24:23,359
Um, it has low traffic. Um, foregoing us

4582
03:24:23,359 --> 03:24:24,800
is in harmony with the intent of the

4583
03:24:24,800 --> 03:24:26,720
zone. I think it's I think it fits

4584
03:24:26,720 --> 03:24:28,880
number 10. It's just I didn't know if we

4585
03:24:28,880 --> 03:24:30,319
needed to send it back to planning

4586
03:24:30,319 --> 03:24:33,120
commission with no changes other than to

4587
03:24:33,120 --> 03:24:34,720
be sure that they designated it as a

4588
03:24:34,720 --> 03:24:35,920
permitted use.

4589
03:24:35,920 --> 03:24:38,239
>> I I from a yeah from a legal standpoint

4590
03:24:38,239 --> 03:24:40,319
if you're worried about this designation

4591
03:24:40,319 --> 03:24:42,960
getting broader um as it stands now if

4592
03:24:42,960 --> 03:24:44,000
it went in front of the planning

4593
03:24:44,000 --> 03:24:45,520
commission and I haven't reviewed those

4594
03:24:45,520 --> 03:24:49,040
minutes just to preface that but um it

4595
03:24:49,040 --> 03:24:51,520
would be they they approved this project

4596
03:24:51,520 --> 03:24:53,840
for this specific purpose. Right.

4597
03:24:53,840 --> 03:24:55,920
However, if you're concerned about that,

4598
03:24:55,920 --> 03:24:57,920
you can send it back to the planning

4599
03:24:57,920 --> 03:25:00,720
commission to make a specific finding

4600
03:25:00,720 --> 03:25:03,359
with respect to what this use. What are

4601
03:25:03,359 --> 03:25:05,279
you going to label this?

4602
03:25:05,279 --> 03:25:07,760
>> We can't do that. Well, if we're all in

4603
03:25:07,760 --> 03:25:09,600
agreement, like we can't do that because

4604
03:25:09,600 --> 03:25:10,880
just because the way the ordinance is

4605
03:25:10,880 --> 03:25:12,239
written.

4606
03:25:12,239 --> 03:25:14,479
>> Uh yeah, it's it says that the planning

4607
03:25:14,479 --> 03:25:17,120
commission determines whether there use

4608
03:25:17,120 --> 03:25:19,680
or not. Again, it is an unusual

4609
03:25:19,680 --> 03:25:20,560
provision.

4610
03:25:20,560 --> 03:25:22,640
>> So unusual. So, I'm trying to figure out

4611
03:25:22,640 --> 03:25:25,040
what their intent was. Do we know what

4612
03:25:25,040 --> 03:25:28,000
they meant by in harmony with intent of

4613
03:25:28,000 --> 03:25:29,760
the zone? What is there anywhere where

4614
03:25:29,760 --> 03:25:33,200
intent of the zone is is defined? Like

4615
03:25:33,200 --> 03:25:35,040
what the business commercial intent is?

4616
03:25:35,040 --> 03:25:36,479
>> Yeah. No, it's up there. It's in our

4617
03:25:36,479 --> 03:25:37,680
code. It's up above. What is the

4618
03:25:37,680 --> 03:25:38,800
>> Would you mind going up a little bit so

4619
03:25:38,800 --> 03:25:40,479
I can just read that? If anyone is not

4620
03:25:40,479 --> 03:25:44,479
okay with this, I can do it after.

4621
03:25:44,479 --> 03:25:46,080
>> You don't always have this situation,

4622
03:25:46,080 --> 03:25:48,399
but in this particular case, we have

4623
03:25:48,399 --> 03:25:49,680
history.

4624
03:25:49,680 --> 03:25:52,880
>> Okay. I don't recall ever receiving a

4625
03:25:52,880 --> 03:25:54,399
complaint

4626
03:25:54,399 --> 03:25:57,200
>> for what's been happening there.

4627
03:25:57,200 --> 03:25:58,880
>> Like I say, you usually don't have that.

4628
03:25:58,880 --> 03:26:00,800
It's usually something brand new,

4629
03:26:00,800 --> 03:26:03,600
>> but in this case, we do. And I would

4630
03:26:03,600 --> 03:26:05,279
think that's favorable.

4631
03:26:05,279 --> 03:26:05,680
>> Yeah.

4632
03:26:05,680 --> 03:26:07,359
>> Oh, yeah. No, I'm not trying to change

4633
03:26:07,359 --> 03:26:10,160
it or deny it or anything. I just want

4634
03:26:10,160 --> 03:26:13,200
>> to make sure it's defined as a food bank

4635
03:26:13,200 --> 03:26:14,560
>> and not a warehouse.

4636
03:26:14,560 --> 03:26:16,880
>> That's all. Well, maybe we need to add

4637
03:26:16,880 --> 03:26:19,439
that specifically in what she's asking

4638
03:26:19,439 --> 03:26:20,800
about. It needs to go back to planning

4639
03:26:20,800 --> 03:26:21,439
commission.

4640
03:26:21,439 --> 03:26:25,279
>> Later we can add that as a as a

4641
03:26:25,279 --> 03:26:27,439
>> Are you saying the microphone?

4642
03:26:27,439 --> 03:26:29,279
>> I I meant maybe that is something we

4643
03:26:29,279 --> 03:26:30,880
should consider adding as one of the

4644
03:26:30,880 --> 03:26:33,439
uses for this specific. Now, that hasn't

4645
03:26:33,439 --> 03:26:35,120
gone well in the past when we do

4646
03:26:35,120 --> 03:26:37,680
one-offs for a certain business.

4647
03:26:37,680 --> 03:26:39,439
I talked to the chair of the planning

4648
03:26:39,439 --> 03:26:41,920
commission and he's I mean like I don't

4649
03:26:41,920 --> 03:26:44,720
think it changes anything except I it's

4650
03:26:44,720 --> 03:26:46,239
the worst case scenario that in the

4651
03:26:46,239 --> 03:26:48,800
future someone could change it from a

4652
03:26:48,800 --> 03:26:50,479
nonprofit warehouse to a commercial

4653
03:26:50,479 --> 03:26:53,200
warehouse without going through any city

4654
03:26:53,200 --> 03:26:54,399
council approval process.

4655
03:26:54,399 --> 03:26:55,840
>> You keep saying warehouse, but I thought

4656
03:26:55,840 --> 03:26:58,319
the applicant revised the use and it's

4657
03:26:58,319 --> 03:27:00,239
an office building. I think that's where

4658
03:27:00,239 --> 03:27:01,200
I'm getting stuck

4659
03:27:01,200 --> 03:27:03,359
>> for the expansion. For the expansion,

4660
03:27:03,359 --> 03:27:04,640
it's definitely an office,

4661
03:27:04,640 --> 03:27:07,600
>> but we can have storage as auxiliary

4662
03:27:07,600 --> 03:27:09,920
allowed uses to office space.

4663
03:27:09,920 --> 03:27:12,239
>> No, it's to retail. You You sent me the

4664
03:27:12,239 --> 03:27:13,040
code and I read it.

4665
03:27:13,040 --> 03:27:14,160
>> So, I'm reading this intent.

4666
03:27:14,160 --> 03:27:15,840
>> It's only to retail. I thought it was to

4667
03:27:15,840 --> 03:27:17,200
any office because

4668
03:27:17,200 --> 03:27:18,239
>> But you sent me

4669
03:27:18,239 --> 03:27:19,600
>> Let me look and see.

4670
03:27:19,600 --> 03:27:20,880
>> And while they're doing that, if you

4671
03:27:20,880 --> 03:27:24,080
read the intent, it is land the business

4672
03:27:24,080 --> 03:27:26,720
commercial zone. against the top use of

4673
03:27:26,720 --> 03:27:29,120
land is for retail and other commercial

4674
03:27:29,120 --> 03:27:31,680
uses serving the immediate needs of the

4675
03:27:31,680 --> 03:27:35,600
alpine residents meaning local ones

4676
03:27:35,600 --> 03:27:37,680
uh and situated within an environment

4677
03:27:37,680 --> 03:27:39,200
which is safe and aesthetically

4678
03:27:39,200 --> 03:27:41,520
pleasing. The zone is also intended to

4679
03:27:41,520 --> 03:27:43,600
serve as the commercial core of the

4680
03:27:43,600 --> 03:27:46,479
city. I think that's important that they

4681
03:27:46,479 --> 03:27:49,200
put in the immediate needs of the Alpine

4682
03:27:49,200 --> 03:27:52,560
residents because we do uh have some

4683
03:27:52,560 --> 03:27:55,840
good things that do that and we have

4684
03:27:55,840 --> 03:27:59,439
businesses that do not uh meet immediate

4685
03:27:59,439 --> 03:28:02,960
needs of local Alpine residents. They meet maybe, you know, folks coming

4686
03:28:02,960 --> 03:28:05,600
from far or ordering or whatnot. So,

4687
03:28:05,600 --> 03:28:10,550
this is good. I should read this more.

4688
03:28:10,560 --> 03:28:14,399
» Okay. Um, Chrissy, is there any other

4689
03:28:14,399 --> 03:28:15,840
questions that you have regarding this

4690
03:28:15,840 --> 03:28:17,359
item on the agenda?

4691
03:28:17,359 --> 03:28:18,560
>> Nope, that's it.

4692
03:28:18,560 --> 03:28:20,319
>> Okay, Andrew.

4693
03:28:20,319 --> 03:28:22,080
>> Oh, yeah. I hadn't gone yet. I'll be

4694
03:28:22,080 --> 03:28:25,990
quick. Um,

4695
03:28:26,000 --> 03:28:29,600
uh, so so I I I looked at everything.

4696
03:28:29,600 --> 03:28:33,200
Uh, the two things are, and before I say

4697
03:28:33,200 --> 03:28:34,880
anything, this none of this might

4698
03:28:34,880 --> 03:28:37,359
matter. Are we making a motion on this

4699
03:28:37,359 --> 03:28:38,239
tonight?

4700
03:28:38,239 --> 03:28:38,640
>> Yeah,

4701
03:28:38,640 --> 03:28:39,840
>> this is an action. Okay, because the

4702
03:28:39,840 --> 03:28:40,800
last one was confusing

4703
03:28:40,800 --> 03:28:42,000
>> under action items.

4704
03:28:42,000 --> 03:28:44,319
>> Yes. Yes. I know people say things

4705
03:28:44,319 --> 03:28:48,000
though different. Um

4706
03:28:48,000 --> 03:28:50,160
there is a lot of So this was my initial

4707
03:28:50,160 --> 03:28:53,600
thing and that is Main Street is of all

4708
03:28:53,600 --> 03:28:56,080
the issues in in Alpine. The one that is

4709
03:28:56,080 --> 03:28:59,600
thrust and put in my face most is

4710
03:28:59,600 --> 03:29:02,319
traffic. Okay. It is it is the most

4711
03:29:02,319 --> 03:29:05,200
common thing. And of that traffic, the

4712
03:29:05,200 --> 03:29:08,720
main street area right here is top three

4713
03:29:08,720 --> 03:29:12,080
or number one as the worst spot for

4714
03:29:12,080 --> 03:29:14,560
traffic in terms of congestion. People

4715
03:29:14,560 --> 03:29:17,520
might compete it with uh Alpine Highway

4716
03:29:17,520 --> 03:29:19,680
for speed, that being so dangerous, or

4717
03:29:19,680 --> 03:29:21,840
Canyon Crest. Westfield comes in a

4718
03:29:21,840 --> 03:29:25,600
district like fifth or sixth with um

4719
03:29:25,600 --> 03:29:28,319
uh dissatisfaction.

4720
03:29:28,319 --> 03:29:30,239
When I look at all of these parking

4721
03:29:30,239 --> 03:29:32,560
spots because and the only reason I'm

4722
03:29:32,560 --> 03:29:33,760
bringing this up is because a lot of

4723
03:29:33,760 --> 03:29:36,560
councils have come and put things in and

4724
03:29:36,560 --> 03:29:38,319
then later 20 years we have to deal with

4725
03:29:38,319 --> 03:29:43,439
it. How on earth will the across the

4726
03:29:43,439 --> 03:29:46,080
street school and this many parking spot

4727
03:29:46,080 --> 03:29:48,160
and someone can clarify how on earth

4728
03:29:48,160 --> 03:29:51,120
will we take basically all these cars

4729
03:29:51,120 --> 03:29:55,040
and all those cars and um have them on

4730
03:29:55,040 --> 03:29:57,120
Maine when we still haven't fixed half?

4731
03:29:57,120 --> 03:29:58,960
So this is my my question that or

4732
03:29:58,960 --> 03:30:02,239
concern. The next one is um we appear to

4733
03:30:02,239 --> 03:30:05,760
be moving very much towards a all brick

4734
03:30:05,760 --> 03:30:07,760
um look. I very rarely get into

4735
03:30:07,760 --> 03:30:10,880
aesthetic even that's good 80% of my

4736
03:30:10,880 --> 03:30:13,200
career. I just don't think we have very

4737
03:30:13,200 --> 03:30:15,200
many say over it but we are having a lot

4738
03:30:15,200 --> 03:30:17,439
of say over it and I do not think it is

4739
03:30:17,439 --> 03:30:20,960
reflective of actual alpine heritage or

4740
03:30:20,960 --> 03:30:24,479
alpine design and it's not the first uh

4741
03:30:24,479 --> 03:30:28,720
choices on um the uh list. It's stone

4742
03:30:28,720 --> 03:30:32,960
and timber or wood. Um, and so and then

4743
03:30:32,960 --> 03:30:36,160
brick comes later. And maybe this hits

4744
03:30:36,160 --> 03:30:38,960
me different because I spend so often on

4745
03:30:38,960 --> 03:30:41,359
the east coast and other areas where

4746
03:30:41,359 --> 03:30:43,120
everything is brick and it does have a

4747
03:30:43,120 --> 03:30:45,520
very iconic feel. We are actively

4748
03:30:45,520 --> 03:30:48,479
pushing people this way. I do not think

4749
03:30:48,479 --> 03:30:51,200
it is cohesive with the mountains, the

4750
03:30:51,200 --> 03:30:54,239
timber and the actual heritage. That's

4751
03:30:54,239 --> 03:30:55,520
not for me to say though. I'm just it's

4752
03:30:55,520 --> 03:30:57,439
just I'm just recognizing a pattern. we

4753
03:30:57,439 --> 03:30:58,720
are moving towards I know people have

4754
03:30:58,720 --> 03:31:00,720
preferences towards it that's fine but

4755
03:31:00,720 --> 03:31:02,160
it is a pattern um

4756
03:31:02,160 --> 03:31:03,279
>> anything else Andrew

4757
03:31:03,279 --> 03:31:07,600
>> yes um that was the main things

4758
03:31:07,600 --> 03:31:10,399
>> so Andrew I do have a question for you talked about you know the parking

4759
03:31:10,399 --> 03:31:11,920
spaces and the cars have you ever

4760
03:31:11,920 --> 03:31:13,439
volunteered at the 512 building do you

4761
03:31:13,439 --> 03:31:13,760
know what they

4762
03:31:13,760 --> 03:31:14,880
>> I have not please tell me

4763
03:31:14,880 --> 03:31:17,439
>> okay so most of it is happening on

4764
03:31:17,439 --> 03:31:19,760
Wednesday evenings that I've observed

4765
03:31:19,760 --> 03:31:21,359
>> and it's youth groups that come in and

4766
03:31:21,359 --> 03:31:23,120
put these meals together I love that

4767
03:31:23,120 --> 03:31:25,439
>> so it's not the same time as the schools

4768
03:31:25,439 --> 03:31:25,840
that helps

4769
03:31:25,840 --> 03:31:26,960
>> and

4770
03:31:26,960 --> 03:31:29,200
you know, we they have a lot of cars

4771
03:31:29,200 --> 03:31:31,279
that come. It's multiple groups, whether

4772
03:31:31,279 --> 03:31:33,040
it's stakes that come at a time, wards

4773
03:31:33,040 --> 03:31:36,479
at a time. Um I've gone in with um

4774
03:31:36,479 --> 03:31:38,239
various groups. We've when they first

4775
03:31:38,239 --> 03:31:40,399
started before they had this building

4776
03:31:40,399 --> 03:31:42,399
established with AYC, we did it years

4777
03:31:42,399 --> 03:31:43,840
and years ago.

4778
03:31:43,840 --> 03:31:47,200
>> Um I think it's safer and I like the way

4779
03:31:47,200 --> 03:31:49,680
that they have it set up. I understand

4780
03:31:49,680 --> 03:31:51,359
you're seeing all these parking spaces,

4781
03:31:51,359 --> 03:31:54,640
but really it's Wednesday nights groups

4782
03:31:54,640 --> 03:31:57,840
coming in making these meals for kids to

4783
03:31:57,840 --> 03:32:00,080
take home for the weekend or overnight.

4784
03:32:00,080 --> 03:32:02,000
>> And so you're not seeing all these cars

4785
03:32:02,000 --> 03:32:03,760
at the same time.

4786
03:32:03,760 --> 03:32:05,040
>> Thank you for that clarification.

4787
03:32:05,040 --> 03:32:06,479
>> That's been my observation and

4788
03:32:06,479 --> 03:32:08,720
experience with it. And I would strongly

4789
03:32:08,720 --> 03:32:10,720
suggest that you try to go and help and

4790
03:32:10,720 --> 03:32:12,239
volunteer with these groups because it's

4791
03:32:12,239 --> 03:32:15,520
a fantastic experience. Yeah, the the

4792
03:32:15,520 --> 03:32:17,120
cause and the work they are doing

4793
03:32:17,120 --> 03:32:19,200
obviously love it. I work in a very

4794
03:32:19,200 --> 03:32:21,439
similar industry. Love and everyone

4795
03:32:21,439 --> 03:32:23,439
loves that. Also across the street,

4796
03:32:23,439 --> 03:32:26,399
schools, we love schools. The byproduct

4797
03:32:26,399 --> 03:32:29,200
though has become just a massive thing

4798
03:32:29,200 --> 03:32:31,279
to deal with that we're trying to fix.

4799
03:32:31,279 --> 03:32:32,479
And so that's why I brought it up.

4800
03:32:32,479 --> 03:32:34,000
>> I've never heard a single resident say,

4801
03:32:34,000 --> 03:32:35,920
"I hate all the cars from this."

4802
03:32:35,920 --> 03:32:37,600
>> Well, no, that's good. This is good. I'm

4803
03:32:37,600 --> 03:32:38,960
not saying I do hate. bring it up as

4804
03:32:38,960 --> 03:32:40,560
>> Oh, no. No. What I'm saying is like I

4805
03:32:40,560 --> 03:32:42,319
have heard many many many people

4806
03:32:42,319 --> 03:32:44,080
complain about the charter school

4807
03:32:44,080 --> 03:32:45,920
traffic. I've not yet once heard

4808
03:32:45,920 --> 03:32:47,040
anything here.

4809
03:32:47,040 --> 03:32:49,279
>> I guess because it's in the evening.

4810
03:32:49,279 --> 03:32:50,720
>> This doesn't exist yet as a big

4811
03:32:50,720 --> 03:32:52,640
>> It does exist. They're operating.

4812
03:32:52,640 --> 03:32:54,399
>> I know the park, but not the big whole

4813
03:32:54,399 --> 03:32:54,800
full thing.

4814
03:32:54,800 --> 03:32:56,319
>> They do have a lot of cars that go

4815
03:32:56,319 --> 03:32:58,560
there. They park right now in part of

4816
03:32:58,560 --> 03:33:00,640
their parking lot and the grass area

4817
03:33:00,640 --> 03:33:02,399
that and I think they're trying to make

4818
03:33:02,399 --> 03:33:04,000
it better. So, you know, they're

4819
03:33:04,000 --> 03:33:06,399
improving the lot. And so what I'm

4820
03:33:06,399 --> 03:33:09,040
saying is

4821
03:33:09,040 --> 03:33:10,880
they're just making better

4822
03:33:10,880 --> 03:33:13,120
infrastructure and more aesthetically

4823
03:33:13,120 --> 03:33:16,960
pre um pleasing environment, but as far

4824
03:33:16,960 --> 03:33:19,439
as like the number of people and the

4825
03:33:19,439 --> 03:33:21,920
traffic load, I don't see it varying

4826
03:33:21,920 --> 03:33:24,080
much more than what you see now. There's

4827
03:33:24,080 --> 03:33:26,000
a lot of if you go there on Wednesday

4828
03:33:26,000 --> 03:33:28,160
evening like around 7ish,

4829
03:33:28,160 --> 03:33:28,800
>> that's when they

4830
03:33:28,800 --> 03:33:30,560
>> you'll see a lot of cars there. But I'm

4831
03:33:30,560 --> 03:33:32,080
guessing that you're not getting

4832
03:33:32,080 --> 03:33:33,760
complaints. At least I personally

4833
03:33:33,760 --> 03:33:35,439
haven't. if anyone else has

4834
03:33:35,439 --> 03:33:36,640
>> I have not gotten any complaints,

4835
03:33:36,640 --> 03:33:38,239
>> but it's because most people are either

4836
03:33:38,239 --> 03:33:40,080
home and it's not when people are out

4837
03:33:40,080 --> 03:33:41,279
and about.

4838
03:33:41,279 --> 03:33:44,160
>> Um, so it's not I understand why you

4839
03:33:44,160 --> 03:33:46,319
would worry about traffic and seeing all

4840
03:33:46,319 --> 03:33:48,560
those um parking spaces,

4841
03:33:48,560 --> 03:33:50,720
>> but it's not a use that's going to be

4842
03:33:50,720 --> 03:33:51,680
happening during the day.

4843
03:33:51,680 --> 03:33:52,720
>> Totally clarified. Thank you.

4844
03:33:52,720 --> 03:33:55,040
>> I have a couple of comments.

4845
03:33:55,040 --> 03:33:57,120
Can I can I mention the parking as well

4846
03:33:57,120 --> 03:34:00,720
on the same 100 west um is a dance

4847
03:34:00,720 --> 03:34:04,880
studio that also so and mind you this is

4848
03:34:04,880 --> 03:34:06,720
all zone commercial like as we've

4849
03:34:06,720 --> 03:34:09,200
learned from our shooting um I mean our

4850
03:34:09,200 --> 03:34:13,040
gun shop. So um that this is all zone

4851
03:34:13,040 --> 03:34:15,120
commercial. So they've been parking on

4852
03:34:15,120 --> 03:34:18,640
this interior area and it has never been

4853
03:34:18,640 --> 03:34:20,160
like a problem.

4854
03:34:20,160 --> 03:34:21,680
>> I've had several people reach out about

4855
03:34:21,680 --> 03:34:23,840
that the parking for the dance. No, I

4856
03:34:23,840 --> 03:34:26,800
was going to say that that we still that

4857
03:34:26,800 --> 03:34:28,399
like I'm saying it's it's in the same

4858
03:34:28,399 --> 03:34:30,399
neighborhood and so it's it's moving it

4859
03:34:30,399 --> 03:34:33,040
out of an interior neighborhood out onto

4860
03:34:33,040 --> 03:34:37,279
the main street. So I I feel like it's much better access for the public.

4861
03:34:37,279 --> 03:34:39,680
It's easier to find, you know, all that

4862
03:34:39,680 --> 03:34:42,560
kind of stuff. So it's a huge step up as

4863
03:34:42,560 --> 03:34:44,720
far as parking in my opinion.

4864
03:34:44,720 --> 03:34:45,439
>> Yeah.

4865
03:34:45,439 --> 03:34:46,800
>> And walking through there, I mean it's

4866
03:34:46,800 --> 03:34:49,120
very those are narrow roads on 100 West.

4867
03:34:49,120 --> 03:34:51,120
So being out, you know, even if they

4868
03:34:51,120 --> 03:34:52,399
have even if they have, you know, a

4869
03:34:52,399 --> 03:34:53,600
hundred volunteers and there's not

4870
03:34:53,600 --> 03:34:55,520
enough um parking, they'll at least be

4871
03:34:55,520 --> 03:34:57,760
on a wider part of our streets.

4872
03:34:57,760 --> 03:34:59,200
>> So good. So you said you have two more

4873
03:34:59,200 --> 03:34:59,680
comments.

4874
03:34:59,680 --> 03:35:02,239
>> They're just last last ones. The do do

4875
03:35:02,239 --> 03:35:04,239
we have full responsibility over South

4876
03:35:04,239 --> 03:35:06,720
Main? We can't ask or at this time try

4877
03:35:06,720 --> 03:35:08,560
to collaborate for some of the fixes on

4878
03:35:08,560 --> 03:35:09,920
there while this is going in or is it

4879
03:35:09,920 --> 03:35:12,479
just all city responsibility for uh the

4880
03:35:12,479 --> 03:35:14,399
traffic fixing there or is this a good

4881
03:35:14,399 --> 03:35:16,960
opportunity? So, I know that um Shane

4882
03:35:16,960 --> 03:35:19,359
has been working on moving the crosswalk

4883
03:35:19,359 --> 03:35:22,720
and because of the new ADA regulations.

4884
03:35:22,720 --> 03:35:24,000
I know they've been talking with the

4885
03:35:24,000 --> 03:35:26,800
property owners um because we're trying

4886
03:35:26,800 --> 03:35:28,560
to figure out how to do that with the

4887
03:35:28,560 --> 03:35:31,359
rightway that we have um and to be able

4888
03:35:31,359 --> 03:35:33,120
to be ADA compliant with moving that

4889
03:35:33,120 --> 03:35:34,800
crosswalk because of the changes and

4890
03:35:34,800 --> 03:35:37,359
because it's a new crosswalk, we have to

4891
03:35:37,359 --> 03:35:40,399
comply to the current standards. So, um

4892
03:35:40,399 --> 03:35:42,080
I know there's been discussions. I'm not

4893
03:35:42,080 --> 03:35:43,279
sure where they are at this point.

4894
03:35:43,279 --> 03:35:44,319
Shane, if you wanted to

4895
03:35:44,319 --> 03:35:46,640
>> Yeah, you're I had this in my

4896
03:35:46,640 --> 03:35:47,760
communication update.

4897
03:35:47,760 --> 03:35:48,800
>> I'll hit you with a couple.

4898
03:35:48,800 --> 03:35:51,920
>> There's There's a It's way more

4899
03:35:51,920 --> 03:35:54,160
expansive than what probably anybody,

4900
03:35:54,160 --> 03:35:56,319
including myself, thought it would be to

4901
03:35:56,319 --> 03:35:57,840
get this crosswalk in.

4902
03:35:57,840 --> 03:36:00,880
>> Oh, yeah. I saw you guys there.

4903
03:36:00,880 --> 03:36:02,720
>> Well, traffic control is already out

4904
03:36:02,720 --> 03:36:05,200
there closing the sidewalk. We've had a

4905
03:36:05,200 --> 03:36:08,319
couple meetings with JD. Um I know they

4906
03:36:08,319 --> 03:36:10,560
have a couple of concerns um that he

4907
03:36:10,560 --> 03:36:12,880
might want to address uh with council

4908
03:36:12,880 --> 03:36:16,000
here tonight. Um but yeah, that is

4909
03:36:16,000 --> 03:36:18,080
happening and it it will be done before

4910
03:36:18,080 --> 03:36:19,120
school starts.

4911
03:36:19,120 --> 03:36:21,439
>> Okay. So is there any there is anything

4912
03:36:21,439 --> 03:36:23,760
that we would want to try to plan with

4913
03:36:23,760 --> 03:36:26,239
this going in with the traffic? That

4914
03:36:26,239 --> 03:36:28,319
might be a good time. And I can't

4915
03:36:28,319 --> 03:36:29,840
remember what the last one is. Oh, I was

4916
03:36:29,840 --> 03:36:32,239
just uh I tried to reach out to

4917
03:36:32,239 --> 03:36:33,840
residents nearby to get a fill for this.

4918
03:36:33,840 --> 03:36:35,359
I couldn't get a hold of them. So, if

4919
03:36:35,359 --> 03:36:38,000
anyone has any resident um you live by

4920
03:36:38,000 --> 03:36:39,840
there, I couldn't get any resident

4921
03:36:39,840 --> 03:36:44,000
responses as to this and any opinions or

4922
03:36:44,000 --> 03:36:45,760
feedback from them. But I would I would

4923
03:36:45,760 --> 03:36:46,640
actually love that.

4924
03:36:46,640 --> 03:36:47,200
>> Anything else?

4925
03:36:47,200 --> 03:36:48,479
>> One of them is the owner, right?

4926
03:36:48,479 --> 03:36:48,880
>> Yeah.

4927
03:36:48,880 --> 03:36:51,600
>> Yes. Yes. Well, that is good. Um well,

4928
03:36:51,600 --> 03:36:52,479
that's a little different because the

4929
03:36:52,479 --> 03:36:54,399
owner is acting as a developer. Um I

4930
03:36:54,399 --> 03:36:56,080
mean like people that will live by it.

4931
03:36:56,080 --> 03:36:57,439
So, yeah. Go ahead.

4932
03:36:57,439 --> 03:36:58,000
>> Thank you.

4933
03:36:58,000 --> 03:37:00,880
>> I saw the property owners

4934
03:37:00,880 --> 03:37:04,800
to write to the west over the weekend.

4935
03:37:04,800 --> 03:37:06,239
didn't mention a thing.

4936
03:37:06,239 --> 03:37:07,120
>> Yeah, I haven't heard.

4937
03:37:07,120 --> 03:37:08,880
>> Yeah. So, I mean, those are the closest

4938
03:37:08,880 --> 03:37:10,479
ones I would say impacted.

4939
03:37:10,479 --> 03:37:12,080
>> I even called a couple who I know and

4940
03:37:12,080 --> 03:37:13,760
they didn't respond and I went and

4941
03:37:13,760 --> 03:37:16,000
visited a house and I uh they weren't

4942
03:37:16,000 --> 03:37:16,399
homes.

4943
03:37:16,399 --> 03:37:17,200
>> Okay.

4944
03:37:17,200 --> 03:37:19,600
>> Just a couple of quick things. Um so,

4945
03:37:19,600 --> 03:37:22,399
Chrissy, I there is actually more code

4946
03:37:22,399 --> 03:37:25,600
where we do allow storage not just for

4947
03:37:25,600 --> 03:37:31,349
retail. So, if you go to 3.07.02

4948
03:37:31,359 --> 03:37:33,040
02

4949
03:37:33,040 --> 03:37:38,080
number eight. It definitely has um

4950
03:37:38,080 --> 03:37:42,239
approval as a I guess a supply storage.

4951
03:37:42,239 --> 03:37:44,319
So this is a supply storage building

4952
03:37:44,319 --> 03:37:46,800
from my understanding. The building that

4953
03:37:46,800 --> 03:37:48,479
they're currently using will now become

4954
03:37:48,479 --> 03:37:51,279
a place where they can um put supplies

4955
03:37:51,279 --> 03:37:53,760
in. So that then they can use the office

4956
03:37:53,760 --> 03:37:56,000
building for education, for

4957
03:37:56,000 --> 03:37:58,080
mobilization, for bringing these youth

4958
03:37:58,080 --> 03:38:01,200
groups in. So, I see this in clear

4959
03:38:01,200 --> 03:38:03,200
alignment with our existing code based

4960
03:38:03,200 --> 03:38:08,389
on that ordinance.

4961
03:38:08,399 --> 03:38:11,040
And then as far as brick,

4962
03:38:11,040 --> 03:38:14,000
>> I really appreciate the brick, our

4963
03:38:14,000 --> 03:38:15,920
original schoolhouse that was built in

4964
03:38:15,920 --> 03:38:19,439
the late 1800s was all brick. Our purple

4965
03:38:19,439 --> 03:38:21,040
church that used to sit across the

4966
03:38:21,040 --> 03:38:24,800
street was all brick. So brick to me is

4967
03:38:24,800 --> 03:38:27,520
very much our identity and has been for

4968
03:38:27,520 --> 03:38:30,560
over a hundred years. Um,

4969
03:38:30,560 --> 03:38:32,319
>> can you tell me the code again? I I came

4970
03:38:32,319 --> 03:38:33,680
to the wrong place.

4971
03:38:33,680 --> 03:38:35,520
>> Oh, did Kayen, can you put that up? It's

4972
03:38:35,520 --> 03:38:36,319
>> It's right here.

4973
03:38:36,319 --> 03:38:36,800
>> Okay.

4974
03:38:36,800 --> 03:38:38,239
>> Number eight.

4975
03:38:38,239 --> 03:38:39,200
>> I wasn't saying it was

4976
03:38:39,200 --> 03:38:41,279
>> It's on the screen. Chrissy.

4977
03:38:41,279 --> 03:38:42,319
>> Oh,

4978
03:38:42,319 --> 03:38:43,920
>> number eight.

4979
03:38:43,920 --> 03:38:45,920
>> It's another one that could probably be

4980
03:38:45,920 --> 03:38:48,080
rewritten for clarity.

4981
03:38:48,080 --> 03:38:49,600
Um,

4982
03:38:49,600 --> 03:38:52,560
what was the last Oh, I I did listen to

4983
03:38:52,560 --> 03:38:54,640
planning commission. It's off off

4984
03:38:54,640 --> 03:38:56,960
traffic hours and I do think it meets

4985
03:38:56,960 --> 03:38:59,680
the requirement of um serving the need

4986
03:38:59,680 --> 03:39:01,840
for our community. It's such a great

4987
03:39:01,840 --> 03:39:03,840
opportunity for these youth groups. I

4988
03:39:03,840 --> 03:39:06,479
can't think of anything better than to

4989
03:39:06,479 --> 03:39:08,319
create service opportunities on a

4990
03:39:08,319 --> 03:39:10,960
regular basis for these groups to go in

4991
03:39:10,960 --> 03:39:13,040
and and I love that the applicant is not

4992
03:39:13,040 --> 03:39:16,080
just, you know, having them make things,

4993
03:39:16,080 --> 03:39:17,520
but they're also really taking the

4994
03:39:17,520 --> 03:39:19,600
opportunity to educate throughout this

4995
03:39:19,600 --> 03:39:22,479
whole process.

4996
03:39:22,479 --> 03:39:25,120
>> Okay. Can you reading number eight?

4997
03:39:25,120 --> 03:39:26,960
You're saying that that the warehouse

4998
03:39:26,960 --> 03:39:28,720
function is incidental.

4999
03:39:28,720 --> 03:39:31,120
>> That it's not a warehouse, it's storage.

5000
03:39:31,120 --> 03:39:34,800
No, no. But by Okay, not worries. Okay.

5001
03:39:34,800 --> 03:39:36,800
A food bank. The food bank is where you

5002
03:39:36,800 --> 03:39:40,560
have you buy commercial food

5003
03:39:40,560 --> 03:39:43,840
and you send it out free to the public,

5004
03:39:43,840 --> 03:39:48,560
>> right? But I and I correct me if I'm

5005
03:39:48,560 --> 03:39:49,279
wrong, but

5006
03:39:49,279 --> 03:39:51,120
>> I don't think it's

5007
03:39:51,120 --> 03:39:53,760
>> codes that we're looking at for

5008
03:39:53,760 --> 03:40:01,520
permitted uses in the BC zone is that the use can be answer to the main

5009
03:40:01,520 --> 03:40:03,680
office buildings or the main structures,

5010
03:40:03,680 --> 03:40:06,800
which this addition is, and that it is

5011
03:40:06,800 --> 03:40:09,920
basically storage,

5012
03:40:09,920 --> 03:40:12,319
not warehouse. So you don't have to

5013
03:40:12,319 --> 03:40:15,760
worry about that original um structure

5014
03:40:15,760 --> 03:40:19,040
being resold as a warehouse.

5015
03:40:19,040 --> 03:40:20,880
>> Well, in the original structure came in

5016
03:40:20,880 --> 03:40:22,560
as a garage,

5017
03:40:22,560 --> 03:40:22,960
>> right?

5018
03:40:22,960 --> 03:40:25,040
>> If you look at storage, right?

5019
03:40:25,040 --> 03:40:28,319
>> So I I've not seen like a

5020
03:40:28,319 --> 03:40:30,720
>> connection to a warehouse. I don't see a

5021
03:40:30,720 --> 03:40:32,800
big difference between storage garage

5022
03:40:32,800 --> 03:40:35,040
and warehouse that I mean when

5023
03:40:35,040 --> 03:40:37,439
>> I think if you look at um commercial

5024
03:40:37,439 --> 03:40:39,120
development and you look up warehouse

5025
03:40:39,120 --> 03:40:42,160
you'll see docks you'll see

5026
03:40:42,160 --> 03:40:42,720
>> that's true

5027
03:40:42,720 --> 03:40:44,960
>> certain power I mean there's a there's a

5028
03:40:44,960 --> 03:40:45,840
big difference

5029
03:40:45,840 --> 03:40:47,920
>> because you do have commercial trucks

5030
03:40:47,920 --> 03:40:51,680
delivering food so is help me understand

5031
03:40:51,680 --> 03:40:53,279
how that's different

5032
03:40:53,279 --> 03:40:56,000
>> I'm just looking at the site plan

5033
03:40:56,000 --> 03:40:57,680
>> and I'm not seeing multiple loading

5034
03:40:57,680 --> 03:40:59,760
docks and I'm not seeing both things

5035
03:40:59,760 --> 03:41:01,439
that are prescribed in

5036
03:41:01,439 --> 03:41:02,960
>> there are no loading docks on this,

5037
03:41:02,960 --> 03:41:06,000
right? There are no loading or shipping

5038
03:41:06,000 --> 03:41:07,040
or anything like that.

5039
03:41:07,040 --> 03:41:08,640
>> There are commercial trucks delivering

5040
03:41:08,640 --> 03:41:11,120
food.

5041
03:41:11,120 --> 03:41:14,630
>> Trucks,

5042
03:41:14,640 --> 03:41:16,239
» but Chrissy, there's like other

5043
03:41:16,239 --> 03:41:18,319
businesses that do,

5044
03:41:18,319 --> 03:41:20,319
>> you know, in our city that do have

5045
03:41:20,319 --> 03:41:21,760
commercial trucks that come in and

5046
03:41:21,760 --> 03:41:24,720
deliver that make deliveries. That's I

5047
03:41:24,720 --> 03:41:27,200
think we're getting hung up on. I think

5048
03:41:27,200 --> 03:41:28,880
originally because it was labeled as

5049
03:41:28,880 --> 03:41:31,520
warehouse, that was the primary concern.

5050
03:41:31,520 --> 03:41:33,279
But now that we understand that it's

5051
03:41:33,279 --> 03:41:35,439
really not a warehouse, that it's a

5052
03:41:35,439 --> 03:41:36,960
storage

5053
03:41:36,960 --> 03:41:40,640
for this nonprofit, I don't know if we

5054
03:41:40,640 --> 03:41:43,120
really need to because that warehouse

5055
03:41:43,120 --> 03:41:46,399
designation is not there. I don't know

5056
03:41:46,399 --> 03:41:48,800
if we really need to

5057
03:41:48,800 --> 03:41:50,640
>> Yeah. No, the warehouse designation was

5058
03:41:50,640 --> 03:41:52,880
on the office area, right?

5059
03:41:52,880 --> 03:41:54,319
>> No. And they changed it. So they have

5060
03:41:54,319 --> 03:41:56,399
they don't really have an identified I

5061
03:41:56,399 --> 03:41:58,880
don't think where you currently process

5062
03:41:58,880 --> 03:42:01,439
and make food bags for everyone is going

5063
03:42:01,439 --> 03:42:03,600
to be an office is it

5064
03:42:03,600 --> 03:42:04,960
>> what do you mean by that question? What

5065
03:42:04,960 --> 03:42:06,239
do you

5066
03:42:06,239 --> 03:42:10,000
>> like an office versus

5067
03:42:10,000 --> 03:42:11,279
>> Oh sorry yes sorry about that.

5068
03:42:11,279 --> 03:42:12,880
>> My name is JD Heiner. I'm with Silver

5069
03:42:12,880 --> 03:42:15,279
Fox Construction. Um I think many of you

5070
03:42:15,279 --> 03:42:17,279
have been there and volunteered there

5071
03:42:17,279 --> 03:42:19,120
and there's multiple activities that

5072
03:42:19,120 --> 03:42:22,319
occur there from training to organizing

5073
03:42:22,319 --> 03:42:26,479
volunteers to um taking the dry goods.

5074
03:42:26,479 --> 03:42:28,160
You know when you think of a warehouse

5075
03:42:28,160 --> 03:42:29,760
oftentimes you're dealing with hazardous

5076
03:42:29,760 --> 03:42:31,840
you know items and there's whole

5077
03:42:31,840 --> 03:42:32,720
>> or fabric.

5078
03:42:32,720 --> 03:42:34,000
>> Yeah. I mean all sorts of you know

5079
03:42:34,000 --> 03:42:35,840
they're taking taking the dry goods and

5080
03:42:35,840 --> 03:42:38,479
assembling them on assembly line and and

5081
03:42:38,479 --> 03:42:40,239
there's certainly storage that occurs

5082
03:42:40,239 --> 03:42:43,200
there but you know we deal in you know

5083
03:42:43,200 --> 03:42:46,160
as a business we deal in you know retail

5084
03:42:46,160 --> 03:42:49,120
medical industrial

5085
03:42:49,120 --> 03:42:52,080
um and and our experience in industrial

5086
03:42:52,080 --> 03:42:54,319
certainly is if if we were to build this

5087
03:42:54,319 --> 03:42:55,920
as a warehouse and market as a warehouse

5088
03:42:55,920 --> 03:42:56,960
I'll tell you right now it' have

5089
03:42:56,960 --> 03:42:59,279
three-phase power it'd have 30 foot

5090
03:42:59,279 --> 03:43:01,920
clear height it would have dock doors it

5091
03:43:01,920 --> 03:43:04,000
would have an ability for a major semi

5092
03:43:04,000 --> 03:43:05,760
to come in and not only once but

5093
03:43:05,760 --> 03:43:07,680
multiple times a day. And you can

5094
03:43:07,680 --> 03:43:10,080
clearly see in this building and this

5095
03:43:10,080 --> 03:43:11,840
addition that it aligns more with what

5096
03:43:11,840 --> 03:43:14,239
the mayor is saying around storage for

5097
03:43:14,239 --> 03:43:17,680
the the service of the community which

5098
03:43:17,680 --> 03:43:19,760
is specifically outlined in your general

5099
03:43:19,760 --> 03:43:22,000
plan. And so when you take item number

5100
03:43:22,000 --> 03:43:24,720
10 that planning commission has based

5101
03:43:24,720 --> 03:43:26,239
their approval on and you take the

5102
03:43:26,239 --> 03:43:28,399
general plan and then you take into

5103
03:43:28,399 --> 03:43:30,800
consideration that many seem worried

5104
03:43:30,800 --> 03:43:32,960
that this could be a warehouse and and

5105
03:43:32,960 --> 03:43:34,960
it not being designed that way. I think

5106
03:43:34,960 --> 03:43:38,000
this is very a very easy um conclusion

5107
03:43:38,000 --> 03:43:40,239
to come to. Um the the only other thing

5108
03:43:40,239 --> 03:43:41,920
I would highlight is I I know the

5109
03:43:41,920 --> 03:43:46,000
ownership would be um you know we I I

5110
03:43:46,000 --> 03:43:47,520
don't think anyone here is concerned

5111
03:43:47,520 --> 03:43:49,600
with what 512 is doing. I think the

5112
03:43:49,600 --> 03:43:51,680
concern is rooted in what will happen if

5113
03:43:51,680 --> 03:43:54,479
they sell 512. And I'll tell you, the

5114
03:43:54,479 --> 03:43:57,359
ownership is absolutely not going to put

5115
03:43:57,359 --> 03:43:58,960
any deed restrictions on their property,

5116
03:43:58,960 --> 03:44:00,640
but you guys are able to mitigate that

5117
03:44:00,640 --> 03:44:04,239
and manage that by business licenses and

5118
03:44:04,239 --> 03:44:06,720
building permits and TI's and and

5119
03:44:06,720 --> 03:44:09,520
whatnot. So, I think your concern as to

5120
03:44:09,520 --> 03:44:14,160
what it'll be later on is addressed in your in your code, in your zoning

5121
03:44:14,160 --> 03:44:16,080
requirements, and in your ability to

5122
03:44:16,080 --> 03:44:18,479
issue business licenses and and building

5123
03:44:18,479 --> 03:44:19,920
permits.

5124
03:44:19,920 --> 03:44:22,399
>> While you're up, JD, how do you train

5125
03:44:22,399 --> 03:44:24,000
once you guys make and pardon, I don't

5126
03:44:24,000 --> 03:44:25,359
know this, I should come and volunteer.

5127
03:44:25,359 --> 03:44:27,600
I'm sorry, I haven't. Uh, when you make

5128
03:44:27,600 --> 03:44:30,399
all of these kits and

5129
03:44:30,399 --> 03:44:33,439
uh nonprofit packs that you send out,

5130
03:44:33,439 --> 03:44:35,600
how do you ship them out? Do you

5131
03:44:35,600 --> 03:44:37,840
>> I volunteered. I've driven them to the

5132
03:44:37,840 --> 03:44:39,840
schools. They typically go out private

5133
03:44:39,840 --> 03:44:42,080
vehicles. So the the personal person

5134
03:44:42,080 --> 03:44:43,279
takes them, puts them in, and then

5135
03:44:43,279 --> 03:44:44,960
drives them to wherever the destination

5136
03:44:44,960 --> 03:44:45,600
is.

5137
03:44:45,600 --> 03:44:47,279
>> Yes. You put them in Yeah. You sign up,

5138
03:44:47,279 --> 03:44:48,880
you put them in your car, and you drive

5139
03:44:48,880 --> 03:44:49,840
to the school.

5140
03:44:49,840 --> 03:44:50,640
>> Pretty cool.

5141
03:44:50,640 --> 03:44:53,520
>> Okay. Um, are you, since you're up here,

5142
03:44:53,520 --> 03:44:55,279
because I just assume you're kind of the

5143
03:44:55,279 --> 03:44:59,680
applicant, are you kind of running, are you are you guys open at all for um

5144
03:44:59,680 --> 03:45:02,239
if we have uh some problems on Main

5145
03:45:02,239 --> 03:45:04,800
Street to work with us on those or any

5146
03:45:04,800 --> 03:45:08,319
sort of improvements we can make while this project is going or do you

5147
03:45:08,319 --> 03:45:10,160
want to be not have anything to do with

5148
03:45:10,160 --> 03:45:10,560
that?

5149
03:45:10,560 --> 03:45:12,160
>> Well, you know, we certainly want to be

5150
03:45:12,160 --> 03:45:13,600
available. Well, I mean, I've been I've

5151
03:45:13,600 --> 03:45:16,319
been up here to the site with the city

5152
03:45:16,319 --> 03:45:19,520
um with Landon and and and Shane and

5153
03:45:19,520 --> 03:45:21,199
whatnot as we've worked through the ADA

5154
03:45:21,199 --> 03:45:23,760
crosswalk requirements. So, we're we're

5155
03:45:23,760 --> 03:45:26,640
here to provide our input and thoughts

5156
03:45:26,640 --> 03:45:28,640
um whenever asked. Um I don't know that

5157
03:45:28,640 --> 03:45:30,640
I understand your question specifically.

5158
03:45:30,640 --> 03:45:32,479
If you're asking if we're you know

5159
03:45:32,479 --> 03:45:35,199
willing to what other than

5160
03:45:35,199 --> 03:45:35,680
>> well

5161
03:45:35,680 --> 03:45:37,199
>> be there when they call us up, what do

5162
03:45:37,199 --> 03:45:39,520
you want us to do? No, I just Well, if

5163
03:45:39,520 --> 03:45:40,960
things are being constructed, it's just

5164
03:45:40,960 --> 03:45:42,479
a good time to be like, "Oh, this is

5165
03:45:42,479 --> 03:45:45,600
where the the physical barrier goes out.

5166
03:45:45,600 --> 03:45:47,279
What are they called? The extended curbs

5167
03:45:47,279 --> 03:45:49,120
or whatever or this is like you're

5168
03:45:49,120 --> 03:45:52,399
saying, the crosswalk or sometimes it

5169
03:45:52,399 --> 03:45:54,960
goes into your property." And sometimes

5170
03:45:54,960 --> 03:45:56,560
if we're digging stuff up, it's a good

5171
03:45:56,560 --> 03:45:59,120
time to have the traffic in mind while

5172
03:45:59,120 --> 03:46:00,640
it's happening to

5173
03:46:00,640 --> 03:46:04,399
>> to try to not repeat um the situation we

5174
03:46:04,399 --> 03:46:04,800
have.

5175
03:46:04,800 --> 03:46:06,000
>> Sure. You know, I think there's some

5176
03:46:06,000 --> 03:46:09,120
things that are often proposed that we

5177
03:46:09,120 --> 03:46:11,199
as property owners and developers would

5178
03:46:11,199 --> 03:46:12,960
say, "No, we're we're not for that.

5179
03:46:12,960 --> 03:46:14,319
That's an issue for us."

5180
03:46:14,319 --> 03:46:14,640
>> Right.

5181
03:46:14,640 --> 03:46:17,040
>> Um but I think generally speaking, Shane

5182
03:46:17,040 --> 03:46:19,680
and his team would would confirm that we

5183
03:46:19,680 --> 03:46:21,359
we're collaborative in nature. I know

5184
03:46:21,359 --> 03:46:22,640
the mayor, you've had

5185
03:46:22,640 --> 03:46:25,120
>> conversations with um some of the staff

5186
03:46:25,120 --> 03:46:29,040
that works for the property owner and there's a spirit of collaboration

5187
03:46:29,040 --> 03:46:31,600
within within the bounds of, you know,

5188
03:46:31,600 --> 03:46:33,920
our rights as property owners. For sure.

5189
03:46:33,920 --> 03:46:35,600
>> Right. Right. Yeah. No, the I I learned

5190
03:46:35,600 --> 03:46:37,840
our job is to balance the rights of the

5191
03:46:37,840 --> 03:46:39,760
property owner with the health and

5192
03:46:39,760 --> 03:46:41,600
well-being of the community.

5193
03:46:41,600 --> 03:46:44,160
>> I think some people get too extreme on

5194
03:46:44,160 --> 03:46:46,000
one of those sides. Property rights. I

5195
03:46:46,000 --> 03:46:47,760
have full rights to do whatever,

5196
03:46:47,760 --> 03:46:50,880
whenever, however, and then well, I see

5197
03:46:50,880 --> 03:46:52,880
almost no one going the other extreme,

5198
03:46:52,880 --> 03:46:54,479
the health and well-being of the

5199
03:46:54,479 --> 03:46:56,080
community. But that's the goal is the

5200
03:46:56,080 --> 03:46:58,160
balance. And I that's what I'm after.

5201
03:46:58,160 --> 03:47:01,279
>> Here's the good news. Um

5202
03:47:01,279 --> 03:47:03,840
I don't know that there is a effort and

5203
03:47:03,840 --> 03:47:05,520
a business that is more about the

5204
03:47:05,520 --> 03:47:06,800
community than 512.

5205
03:47:06,800 --> 03:47:08,960
>> All right. Yeah. No, I I know I know I

5206
03:47:08,960 --> 03:47:12,560
work in trafficking and other things. So

5207
03:47:12,560 --> 03:47:14,160
>> thank you.

5208
03:47:14,160 --> 03:47:15,600
>> But you still have to meet the code.

5209
03:47:15,600 --> 03:47:16,080
>> No doubt.

5210
03:47:16,080 --> 03:47:16,800
>> I'm going to put that out.

5211
03:47:16,800 --> 03:47:18,319
>> The good news is I believe we have met

5212
03:47:18,319 --> 03:47:20,319
the code here. Planning Commission has

5213
03:47:20,319 --> 03:47:22,239
>> Is there any question on any piece of

5214
03:47:22,239 --> 03:47:23,760
the code? So, if we were to describe

5215
03:47:23,760 --> 03:47:25,359
your business since you you don't think

5216
03:47:25,359 --> 03:47:27,199
that you have a warehouse and you don't

5217
03:47:27,199 --> 03:47:29,359
think you're a food bank, how what is

5218
03:47:29,359 --> 03:47:32,399
the definition then of the nonprofit?

5219
03:47:32,399 --> 03:47:35,439
>> Well, again, I don't I don't know that I

5220
03:47:35,439 --> 03:47:37,680
said I don't think we're a food bank. I

5221
03:47:37,680 --> 03:47:39,040
think you've had some good arguments

5222
03:47:39,040 --> 03:47:42,560
there. Um, I would more adamantly say I

5223
03:47:42,560 --> 03:47:44,239
don't think we're a warehouse.

5224
03:47:44,239 --> 03:47:46,319
>> Right. I understand that. So, how do you

5225
03:47:46,319 --> 03:47:47,439
define what you do?

5226
03:47:47,439 --> 03:47:50,000
>> We're a charitable organization that

5227
03:47:50,000 --> 03:47:52,960
serves the community. That's very

5228
03:47:52,960 --> 03:47:53,840
general.

5229
03:47:53,840 --> 03:47:56,000
>> Well, we're [laughter] so is the so is

5230
03:47:56,000 --> 03:47:57,199
the Red Cross.

5231
03:47:57,199 --> 03:47:58,399
>> You've been there. What do you think we

5232
03:47:58,399 --> 03:47:58,880
are?

5233
03:47:58,880 --> 03:48:00,640
>> No, I'm asking you like how

5234
03:48:00,640 --> 03:48:02,239
>> so we're a charitable organization that

5235
03:48:02,239 --> 03:48:03,760
serves the community. That is at the

5236
03:48:03,760 --> 03:48:04,399
very deficit.

5237
03:48:04,399 --> 03:48:06,000
>> But I think all we can rely on is the

5238
03:48:06,000 --> 03:48:07,840
application. I mean, we have to go to

5239
03:48:07,840 --> 03:48:09,600
the applicant. We have to look at what's

5240
03:48:09,600 --> 03:48:13,439
come through our staff and and we can't

5241
03:48:13,439 --> 03:48:16,000
start attaching other things beyond the

5242
03:48:16,000 --> 03:48:17,680
scope of what we're looking at in front

5243
03:48:17,680 --> 03:48:18,080
of us.

5244
03:48:18,080 --> 03:48:20,080
>> I understand your concern. So, let's say

5245
03:48:20,080 --> 03:48:22,399
50 years

5246
03:48:22,399 --> 03:48:25,040
you know, we reached this area of utopia

5247
03:48:25,040 --> 03:48:26,560
and we don't need 512, right?

5248
03:48:26,560 --> 03:48:27,520
Everything's taken [clears throat] care

5249
03:48:27,520 --> 03:48:30,880
of. Um, they want to sell it at that

5250
03:48:30,880 --> 03:48:32,399
point.

5251
03:48:32,399 --> 03:48:35,680
Um, you know, I think JD has it where if

5252
03:48:35,680 --> 03:48:37,600
somebody else comes in and they want to

5253
03:48:37,600 --> 03:48:40,399
use it as a warehouse where

5254
03:48:40,399 --> 03:48:42,399
that designation hasn't been if it's

5255
03:48:42,399 --> 03:48:44,080
going to be anything other than a

5256
03:48:44,080 --> 03:48:46,239
charitable organization that serves the

5257
03:48:46,239 --> 03:48:48,399
community, then that's a new definition

5258
03:48:48,399 --> 03:48:49,920
that they would need to get approved at

5259
03:48:49,920 --> 03:48:50,960
that point. That's what I'm trying to

5260
03:48:50,960 --> 03:48:52,479
say. Could we put it in our motion that

5261
03:48:52,479 --> 03:48:55,040
we approve this as a food bank and just

5262
03:48:55,040 --> 03:48:56,080
move forward

5263
03:48:56,080 --> 03:48:57,760
>> and we just clarify it and then

5264
03:48:57,760 --> 03:48:58,960
>> you want to be food bank.

5265
03:48:58,960 --> 03:49:00,479
>> We have we have it in the motion and

5266
03:49:00,479 --> 03:49:02,000
that's all I'm just asking what could we

5267
03:49:02,000 --> 03:49:04,640
call it to just label it in the motion.

5268
03:49:04,640 --> 03:49:06,479
>> I think a question I would have is what

5269
03:49:06,479 --> 03:49:10,800
does that do to the property? Um is that

5270
03:49:10,800 --> 03:49:12,319
some sort of restriction?

5271
03:49:12,319 --> 03:49:14,160
>> I don't think so. That would that would

5272
03:49:14,160 --> 03:49:15,920
be the concern because I I'll you know I

5273
03:49:15,920 --> 03:49:17,840
know ownership's not going to attach

5274
03:49:17,840 --> 03:49:19,520
something to it that limits their

5275
03:49:19,520 --> 03:49:21,520
ability to sell it down the road.

5276
03:49:21,520 --> 03:49:22,800
>> No, no. I I was just saying

5277
03:49:22,800 --> 03:49:24,160
>> on fines. In other words, we don't want

5278
03:49:24,160 --> 03:49:26,160
to come to a place where it's well, you

5279
03:49:26,160 --> 03:49:28,160
can only sell it to a food bank.

5280
03:49:28,160 --> 03:49:29,920
>> No, no, but we're that we're approving

5281
03:49:29,920 --> 03:49:33,520
it as a as this is what it's b like to

5282
03:49:33,520 --> 03:49:36,479
meet number 10. It's something like what

5283
03:49:36,479 --> 03:49:37,359
is it? Yeah,

5284
03:49:37,359 --> 03:49:39,040
>> that's all I'm trying to say. So

5285
03:49:39,040 --> 03:49:41,040
>> why why wouldn't that be a charitable

5286
03:49:41,040 --> 03:49:43,840
organization?

5287
03:49:43,840 --> 03:49:44,399
I think

5288
03:49:44,399 --> 03:49:47,760
>> why would it be specific to be

5289
03:49:47,760 --> 03:49:49,760
>> because [clears throat] I think the the

5290
03:49:49,760 --> 03:49:54,479
land use is is um why it falls under

5291
03:49:54,479 --> 03:49:56,160
number 10 is because it doesn't fit any

5292
03:49:56,160 --> 03:49:58,080
other commercial.

5293
03:49:58,080 --> 03:49:59,840
So

5294
03:49:59,840 --> 03:50:02,080
we don't really have a designation for

5295
03:50:02,080 --> 03:50:05,040
non for um charitable purp like we don't

5296
03:50:05,040 --> 03:50:06,800
have that. So we're trying to label it

5297
03:50:06,800 --> 03:50:09,120
something. So Chrissy is saying that um

5298
03:50:09,120 --> 03:50:11,279
the way that our code is written is

5299
03:50:11,279 --> 03:50:14,399
unless it's specifically enumerated,

5300
03:50:14,399 --> 03:50:17,199
it's basically not allowed unless the

5301
03:50:17,199 --> 03:50:20,239
state allows that use specifically.

5302
03:50:20,239 --> 03:50:22,640
>> There's some things that they even

5303
03:50:22,640 --> 03:50:24,720
though we don't have it as allowed use,

5304
03:50:24,720 --> 03:50:26,560
the state has mandated that certain

5305
03:50:26,560 --> 03:50:28,080
businesses and even businesses that we

5306
03:50:28,080 --> 03:50:30,160
might not necessarily want that we have

5307
03:50:30,160 --> 03:50:32,080
to allow that right with you know like

5308
03:50:32,080 --> 03:50:34,160
tobacco shops and things like that. It's

5309
03:50:34,160 --> 03:50:36,000
even though that's not a permitted

5310
03:50:36,000 --> 03:50:37,760
specifically permitted or it wasn't

5311
03:50:37,760 --> 03:50:39,840
before we change our code, there's

5312
03:50:39,840 --> 03:50:42,160
certain aspects of state law that forces

5313
03:50:42,160 --> 03:50:45,520
us to allow that use. So I think she

5314
03:50:45,520 --> 03:50:50,160
just wants to um I you know so would you

5315
03:50:50,160 --> 03:50:52,000
be comfortable with saying a charitable

5316
03:50:52,000 --> 03:50:54,160
organization that serves our community

5317
03:50:54,160 --> 03:50:56,560
or is there a reason that you want to

5318
03:50:56,560 --> 03:50:59,920
specifically say it's a food bank?

5319
03:50:59,920 --> 03:51:01,760
>> No, I I I don't have to call it a food

5320
03:51:01,760 --> 03:51:03,199
bank. That was just the term I came up

5321
03:51:03,199 --> 03:51:04,399
with. That's why I was asking the

5322
03:51:04,399 --> 03:51:06,479
applicant. How do you describe it other

5323
03:51:06,479 --> 03:51:07,279
than a

5324
03:51:07,279 --> 03:51:08,800
>> It sounds like Chrissy is worried about

5325
03:51:08,800 --> 03:51:10,239
physical structure and he's talking

5326
03:51:10,239 --> 03:51:12,720
about business structure which is

5327
03:51:12,720 --> 03:51:14,880
>> a charable organization is like you're a

5328
03:51:14,880 --> 03:51:15,840
nonprofit.

5329
03:51:15,840 --> 03:51:17,199
>> But can we attach a

5330
03:51:17,199 --> 03:51:18,160
>> thousand things

5331
03:51:18,160 --> 03:51:22,319
>> parking? My mind is thinking about when

5332
03:51:22,319 --> 03:51:25,600
uh nearby across the street was created

5333
03:51:25,600 --> 03:51:28,080
or um down on Alpine Highway was created

5334
03:51:28,080 --> 03:51:29,680
and the traffic problems we have from

5335
03:51:29,680 --> 03:51:33,439
that and everyone including myself is

5336
03:51:33,439 --> 03:51:35,439
saying why wasn't there like a traffic

5337
03:51:35,439 --> 03:51:37,760
plan attached to it with requirements

5338
03:51:37,760 --> 03:51:39,279
and then we try to do it later and we

5339
03:51:39,279 --> 03:51:42,080
can't like buses or on Alpine Highway

5340
03:51:42,080 --> 03:51:45,520
like parking. Can we attach parking

5341
03:51:45,520 --> 03:51:48,000
restrictions or requirements or traffic

5342
03:51:48,000 --> 03:51:51,279
requirements to this or is that not uh

5343
03:51:51,279 --> 03:51:53,920
something we have power over?

5344
03:51:53,920 --> 03:51:55,199
>> I guess that would be for

5345
03:51:55,199 --> 03:51:57,359
>> the only meet that requirement based off

5346
03:51:57,359 --> 03:51:58,800
of the square footage. They have to have

5347
03:51:58,800 --> 03:52:01,760
like 3.5 stalls per

5348
03:52:01,760 --> 03:52:04,319
>> is that just it is that the end of the

5349
03:52:04,319 --> 03:52:06,479
>> parking requirement is based on the use

5350
03:52:06,479 --> 03:52:07,840
the parking building. That's it. So

5351
03:52:07,840 --> 03:52:09,120
there's nothing more anyone can do. Do

5352
03:52:09,120 --> 03:52:11,520
we ever require traffic studies for

5353
03:52:11,520 --> 03:52:15,199
individual site plans? I know um

5354
03:52:15,199 --> 03:52:17,920
>> it's not against the organization

5355
03:52:17,920 --> 03:52:20,720
>> for hemorrhaging on traffic

5356
03:52:20,720 --> 03:52:23,600
>> and high traffic or drive-thrus and

5357
03:52:23,600 --> 03:52:26,479
different things like that.

5358
03:52:26,479 --> 03:52:28,319
>> Okay. So, I don't know what it's and

5359
03:52:28,319 --> 03:52:29,680
again it's not against the organization.

5360
03:52:29,680 --> 03:52:31,359
It's because of the traffic issues. I'm

5361
03:52:31,359 --> 03:52:33,199
trying to

5362
03:52:33,199 --> 03:52:35,359
fix that with what you're trying to do.

5363
03:52:35,359 --> 03:52:37,439
>> So, are there any further questions? If

5364
03:52:37,439 --> 03:52:40,080
not, I think we need to move on. Oh my

5365
03:52:40,080 --> 03:52:42,399
gosh, you guys. It's 10 o'clock. I need

5366
03:52:42,399 --> 03:52:47,110
a motion to extend the meeting.

5367
03:52:47,120 --> 03:52:48,479
» There's the last one.

5368
03:52:48,479 --> 03:52:50,000
>> I need a motion to extend the meeting.

5369
03:52:50,000 --> 03:52:51,600
>> Okay, I'll make a motion to extend the

5370
03:52:51,600 --> 03:52:54,479
meeting. Uh 10 minutes.

5371
03:52:54,479 --> 03:52:55,920
>> 10 minutes. So, we're not going over the

5372
03:52:55,920 --> 03:52:57,040
main street plan.

5373
03:52:57,040 --> 03:52:59,040
>> Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Uh

5374
03:52:59,040 --> 03:53:00,239
>> and we have a close session.

5375
03:53:00,239 --> 03:53:01,840
>> Okay. I I tried to do it quick to help

5376
03:53:01,840 --> 03:53:04,399
get it quick. Go ahead. Can Can we make

5377
03:53:04,399 --> 03:53:07,680
a motion to extend the meeting and to

5378
03:53:07,680 --> 03:53:10,960
postpone the Main Street review?

5379
03:53:10,960 --> 03:53:12,640
>> Oh, that's the best part. Yes, we can. I

5380
03:53:12,640 --> 03:53:12,960
mean,

5381
03:53:12,960 --> 03:53:14,800
>> well, it's traffic and it's also council

5382
03:53:14,800 --> 03:53:16,319
member Rumbler's

5383
03:53:16,319 --> 03:53:18,399
>> Right. I agree. I agree.

5384
03:53:18,399 --> 03:53:20,239
>> So,

5385
03:53:20,239 --> 03:53:20,960
>> yes, we

5386
03:53:20,960 --> 03:53:24,000
>> So, I move to extend the meeting.

5387
03:53:24,000 --> 03:53:25,920
Do I have to include the close session

5388
03:53:25,920 --> 03:53:27,680
time in the meeting or just the general

5389
03:53:27,680 --> 03:53:28,239
session?

5390
03:53:28,239 --> 03:53:29,920
>> No, it's all of it.

5391
03:53:29,920 --> 03:53:31,680
>> Oh, goodness.

5392
03:53:31,680 --> 03:53:34,080
10:30

5393
03:53:34,080 --> 03:53:37,840
to 10:45 and to postpone the review of

5394
03:53:37,840 --> 03:53:40,720
the traffic section of the Main Street

5395
03:53:40,720 --> 03:53:41,680
general study.

5396
03:53:41,680 --> 03:53:43,199
>> Had such high hopes at the beginning of

5397
03:53:43,199 --> 03:53:44,720
the meeting that we would end on time

5398
03:53:44,720 --> 03:53:45,520
tonight.

5399
03:53:45,520 --> 03:53:46,880
>> But we have so much going on.

5400
03:53:46,880 --> 03:53:47,680
>> Is there a second?

5401
03:53:47,680 --> 03:53:48,720
>> I'll second it.

5402
03:53:48,720 --> 03:53:50,720
>> Okay. Moved by Councilwoman Smeu and

5403
03:53:50,720 --> 03:53:53,040
seconded by Councilman Young to extend

5404
03:53:53,040 --> 03:53:55,199
the meeting time. Any discussion? If

5405
03:53:55,199 --> 03:53:56,479
not, let's proceed with a roll call

5406
03:53:56,479 --> 03:53:56,800
vote.

5407
03:53:56,800 --> 03:53:58,319
>> I have a discuss. We just have a really

5408
03:53:58,319 --> 03:54:00,479
packed meeting. So, I would prefer that

5409
03:54:00,479 --> 03:54:03,359
we extend 30 minutes

5410
03:54:03,359 --> 03:54:05,439
um to finish the main street and get it

5411
03:54:05,439 --> 03:54:07,199
done in 30 minutes. I think we can go to

5412
03:54:07,199 --> 03:54:09,279
10:30, can't we?

5413
03:54:09,279 --> 03:54:10,960
>> I I don't want to remove it.

5414
03:54:10,960 --> 03:54:11,920
>> What about closed?

5415
03:54:11,920 --> 03:54:14,640
>> No, she was saying 10:45, right?

5416
03:54:14,640 --> 03:54:16,880
>> I know.

5417
03:54:16,880 --> 03:54:19,040
>> And then we got close session also. We

5418
03:54:19,040 --> 03:54:20,399
have several things. I'm

5419
03:54:20,399 --> 03:54:22,399
>> We have reports and present.

5420
03:54:22,399 --> 03:54:24,000
>> We're We are just looking at the same

5421
03:54:24,000 --> 03:54:27,120
packed agenda in two weeks. Can we put a

5422
03:54:27,120 --> 03:54:29,279
time limit on each council member's

5423
03:54:29,279 --> 03:54:31,439
comments on the main street?

5424
03:54:31,439 --> 03:54:32,160
>> Three minutes.

5425
03:54:32,160 --> 03:54:34,239
>> Small small area plan.

5426
03:54:34,239 --> 03:54:35,600
>> Two minutes.

5427
03:54:35,600 --> 03:54:37,199
>> But look, we've got it. Okay. This is

5428
03:54:37,199 --> 03:54:39,387
like, okay, let's do this. Just extend

5429
03:54:39,387 --> 03:54:41,199
[clears throat] it to 11.

5430
03:54:41,199 --> 03:54:42,960
>> But let's get through this, guys. Come

5431
03:54:42,960 --> 03:54:44,000
on.

5432
03:54:44,000 --> 03:54:45,520
>> Okay.

5433
03:54:45,520 --> 03:54:46,560
>> We

5434
03:54:46,560 --> 03:54:48,399
>> keep the main street with the limitation

5435
03:54:48,399 --> 03:54:52,160
on everyone's comments to four minutes.

5436
03:54:52,160 --> 03:54:53,279
>> Three minutes. Three minutes.

5437
03:54:53,279 --> 03:54:53,920
>> Three minutes.

5438
03:54:53,920 --> 03:54:56,319
Okay.

5439
03:54:56,319 --> 03:54:59,040
So, she's amended the motion to 11

5440
03:54:59,040 --> 03:55:01,359
o'clock. Council's comment to three

5441
03:55:01,359 --> 03:55:03,120
minutes and keep the main street.

5442
03:55:03,120 --> 03:55:04,399
>> I'll second.

5443
03:55:04,399 --> 03:55:08,080
>> Okay. So, amen. Motion by

5444
03:55:08,080 --> 03:55:11,279
>> Smean, seconded by um Blackwell. Roll

5445
03:55:11,279 --> 03:55:12,160
call vote.

5446
03:55:12,160 --> 03:55:13,520
>> Sarah Blackwell. Yes.

5447
03:55:13,520 --> 03:55:15,520
>> Yes. Chrisman, yes.

5448
03:55:15,520 --> 03:55:16,160
>> Young, yes.

5449
03:55:16,160 --> 03:55:17,439
>> Jessica Sme, yes.

5450
03:55:17,439 --> 03:55:20,399
>> Okay. Sorry about that. Um let's get a

5451
03:55:20,399 --> 03:55:23,680
motion for this.

5452
03:55:23,680 --> 03:55:24,720
If there's no

5453
03:55:24,720 --> 03:55:26,399
>> Okay, I'll move. I was looking for the

5454
03:55:26,399 --> 03:55:28,000
motion. Woof, this is a huge packet.

5455
03:55:28,000 --> 03:55:30,560
We're on page 177.

5456
03:55:30,560 --> 03:55:33,359
Okay. I move to approve the proposed

5457
03:55:33,359 --> 03:55:37,199
plan site for the new 512

5458
03:55:37,199 --> 03:55:39,760
nonprofit organization in the commercial

5459
03:55:39,760 --> 03:55:44,160
building at 168 South Main Street.

5460
03:55:44,160 --> 03:55:45,840
Is that okay?

5461
03:55:45,840 --> 03:55:46,640
>> That's great.

5462
03:55:46,640 --> 03:55:49,520
>> Okay. Is there a second?

5463
03:55:49,520 --> 03:55:50,479
>> I'll second that.

5464
03:55:50,479 --> 03:55:51,840
>> Okay. It's been moved by Councilwoman

5465
03:55:51,840 --> 03:55:53,520
Haniman, second by Councilwoman

5466
03:55:53,520 --> 03:55:55,920
Blackwell. Are there any questions to

5467
03:55:55,920 --> 03:55:56,880
the motion?

5468
03:55:56,880 --> 03:55:58,560
>> This is to the motion. Would you amend

5469
03:55:58,560 --> 03:56:01,199
it to include the planning commission's

5470
03:56:01,199 --> 03:56:02,960
um recommendation that they'll go ahead

5471
03:56:02,960 --> 03:56:06,479
and plant grass and wild flowers where

5472
03:56:06,479 --> 03:56:07,920
the commercial future commercial

5473
03:56:07,920 --> 03:56:08,560
building

5474
03:56:08,560 --> 03:56:08,960
>> Yes.

5475
03:56:08,960 --> 03:56:09,680
>> will reside.

5476
03:56:09,680 --> 03:56:11,120
>> I think that's what the site plan showed

5477
03:56:11,120 --> 03:56:12,399
though, right? They showed grass over

5478
03:56:12,399 --> 03:56:12,720
it.

5479
03:56:12,720 --> 03:56:16,640
>> Shows n natural seed and whatnot. We're certainly trying

5480
03:56:16,640 --> 03:56:18,239
>> I think that the planning commission

5481
03:56:18,239 --> 03:56:21,120
gave you a prescriptive information.

5482
03:56:21,120 --> 03:56:22,880
Yeah. That you'll water it the first

5483
03:56:22,880 --> 03:56:24,319
year, that it will take root, and you'll

5484
03:56:24,319 --> 03:56:25,359
put wild flowers.

5485
03:56:25,359 --> 03:56:27,199
>> Yeah. Okay. I amend to say that

5486
03:56:27,199 --> 03:56:28,800
according to the planning commission's

5487
03:56:28,800 --> 03:56:30,399
recommendation and just leave it at that

5488
03:56:30,399 --> 03:56:31,520
because I don't know exactly what they

5489
03:56:31,520 --> 03:56:31,840
said.

5490
03:56:31,840 --> 03:56:33,760
>> Okay. So, you accept the amendment. Are

5491
03:56:33,760 --> 03:56:35,359
you okay with will you say are you okay

5492
03:56:35,359 --> 03:56:36,160
with it? Because you

5493
03:56:36,160 --> 03:56:37,760
>> I Yes, I am okay with that.

5494
03:56:37,760 --> 03:56:40,880
>> Perfect. Let's Can I just just a

5495
03:56:40,880 --> 03:56:43,120
clarification? He said a charitable

5496
03:56:43,120 --> 03:56:46,000
organization. I don't know what did you

5497
03:56:46,000 --> 03:56:47,120
use a different term in your

5498
03:56:47,120 --> 03:56:49,279
>> nonprofit. Nonprofit. Do you

5499
03:56:49,279 --> 03:56:51,359
>> charable? Okay. Either are fine. Okay.

5500
03:56:51,359 --> 03:56:52,960
I'm just cautious.

5501
03:56:52,960 --> 03:56:54,560
>> Just trying to make sure we're

5502
03:56:54,560 --> 03:56:56,720
>> Would you accept an amendment? Well, you

5503
03:56:56,720 --> 03:56:57,840
already accepted that one. Would you

5504
03:56:57,840 --> 03:57:01,359
accept a an amendment to have a traffic

5505
03:57:01,359 --> 03:57:04,319
mitigation plan be part of this?

5506
03:57:04,319 --> 03:57:06,000
>> No. Because I live by there, it's not

5507
03:57:06,000 --> 03:57:06,880
really an issue.

5508
03:57:06,880 --> 03:57:08,720
>> Okay. I promise you it is.

5509
03:57:08,720 --> 03:57:10,399
>> It's been rejected. So, can we proceed

5510
03:57:10,399 --> 03:57:11,680
with the roll call?

5511
03:57:11,680 --> 03:57:13,520
>> You have to accept his amendments.

5512
03:57:13,520 --> 03:57:14,239
>> Yes, I do.

5513
03:57:14,239 --> 03:57:16,080
>> She did. She accepted hers. [laughter]

5514
03:57:16,080 --> 03:57:18,560
You rejected his. So, she can't second.

5515
03:57:18,560 --> 03:57:19,760
>> Okay, we're good. We're good.

5516
03:57:19,760 --> 03:57:21,040
>> Sarah Blackwell, yes.

5517
03:57:21,040 --> 03:57:22,000
>> Chrisman, yes.

5518
03:57:22,000 --> 03:57:23,520
>> Andrew Young, no.

5519
03:57:23,520 --> 03:57:24,720
>> Jessica Simeon, yes.

5520
03:57:24,720 --> 03:57:26,160
>> Okay. Motion passes.

5521
03:57:26,160 --> 03:57:27,279
>> Thank you.

5522
03:57:27,279 --> 03:57:30,950
>> Okay. Um,

5523
03:57:30,960 --> 03:57:33,520
let's go to the Main Street Gateway

5524
03:57:33,520 --> 03:57:34,960
Quarter Master Plan.

5525
03:57:34,960 --> 03:57:37,359
>> Can we please have a timer as well?

5526
03:57:37,359 --> 03:57:39,040
>> Please, can you put the timer on our on

5527
03:57:39,040 --> 03:57:40,319
our little thing right here?

5528
03:57:40,319 --> 03:57:41,760
>> Kaden, are you ready for Should we do

5529
03:57:41,760 --> 03:57:43,279
the close session first or should we do

5530
03:57:43,279 --> 03:57:43,920
this next?

5531
03:57:43,920 --> 03:57:45,920
>> Does Does Hyram need to be here for the

5532
03:57:45,920 --> 03:57:47,279
>> Hyram doesn't need to be here for Main

5533
03:57:47,279 --> 03:57:48,720
Street? I know. So, let's go into close

5534
03:57:48,720 --> 03:57:51,120
session because we do need So, I need a

5535
03:57:51,120 --> 03:57:54,720
motion to go into close session for

5536
03:57:54,720 --> 03:57:57,439
>> um potential litigation, acquisition of

5537
03:57:57,439 --> 03:58:00,640
property, and disposal of property.

5538
03:58:00,640 --> 03:58:03,199
>> Can we just take 12 minutes and be done?

5539
03:58:03,199 --> 03:58:04,560
>> 12 minutes.

5540
03:58:04,560 --> 03:58:06,960
>> 1 2 3 4 time 12. Three.

5541
03:58:06,960 --> 03:58:08,560
>> I guess I just don't trust it. Can we

5542
03:58:08,560 --> 03:58:09,920
just go into close session really quick

5543
03:58:09,920 --> 03:58:11,840
and then Hyram can leave? Okay.

5544
03:58:11,840 --> 03:58:13,359
>> Okay. Okay. I move to pause the regular

5545
03:58:13,359 --> 03:58:14,960
meeting and move into a closed meeting

5546
03:58:14,960 --> 03:58:16,560
to be held in the conference room at

5547
03:58:16,560 --> 03:58:20,080
city hall to discuss pending or

5548
03:58:20,080 --> 03:58:23,040
reasonable eminent litigation, the

5549
03:58:23,040 --> 03:58:25,760
purchase, exchange, sale, or lease of

5550
03:58:25,760 --> 03:58:27,359
real property.

5551
03:58:27,359 --> 03:58:27,920
>> That's it.

5552
03:58:27,920 --> 03:58:29,520
>> And at the end of the closed meeting,

5553
03:58:29,520 --> 03:58:31,439
the open city council meeting will

5554
03:58:31,439 --> 03:58:32,800
continue.

5555
03:58:32,800 --> 03:58:34,960
>> Yay. Okay. Is there a second?

5556
03:58:34,960 --> 03:58:35,920
>> Second that.

5557
03:58:35,920 --> 03:58:39,439
>> Okay. Councilwoman um Smeuan, motion to

5558
03:58:39,439 --> 03:58:41,439
go into close session. Councilman Young

5559
03:58:41,439 --> 03:58:42,880
seconded.

5560
03:58:42,880 --> 03:58:43,439
>> Go ahead.

5561
03:58:43,439 --> 03:58:45,279
>> Sarah Blackwell. Yes.

5562
03:58:45,279 --> 03:58:46,319
>> Chrissy.

5563
03:58:46,319 --> 03:58:47,279
Hanaman. Yes.

5564
03:58:47,279 --> 03:58:48,160
>> Andrew Young. Yes.

5565
03:58:48,160 --> 03:58:49,439
>> Jessica Smean. Yes.

5566
03:58:49,439 --> 03:58:51,520
>> Okay you guys. 3m minute bio break and

5567
03:58:51,520 --> 03:58:53,680
then let's meet in the conference room

5568
03:58:53,680 --> 03:58:56,319
in three minutes.

5569
03:58:56,319 --> 03:59:01,110
>> That's at 10:07.

5570
03:59:01,120 --> 03:59:06,389
» Yes.

5571
03:59:06,399 --> 03:59:08,960
» Okay.

5572
03:59:08,960 --> 03:59:33,990
Yeah.

5573
03:59:34,000 --> 03:59:35,520
» As long as we have authority.

5574
03:59:35,520 --> 03:59:37,680
>> I don't think we can do that.

5575
03:59:37,680 --> 03:59:52,389
Okay, tell me your question.

5576
03:59:52,399 --> 04:00:03,189
All right.

5577
04:00:03,199 --> 04:00:05,359
» Shane can probably step in and correct

5578
04:00:05,359 --> 04:00:08,399
me, but the

5579
04:00:08,399 --> 04:00:10,160
>> we can't

5580
04:00:10,160 --> 04:00:12,399
put the trail where it was. If it some

5581
04:00:12,399 --> 04:00:12,960
of it,

5582
04:00:12,960 --> 04:00:14,000
>> it would seem like you would have to be

5583
04:00:14,000 --> 04:00:16,560
where the trail is versus trying to

5584
04:00:16,560 --> 04:00:18,479
relocate the trail. Well, I think a lot

5585
04:00:18,479 --> 04:00:20,720
of the trail was in the right place.

5586
04:00:20,720 --> 04:00:24,800
>> There was only a few areas where it

5587
04:00:24,800 --> 04:00:27,600
>> So, so most of the trail will just exist

5588
04:00:27,600 --> 04:00:28,640
where it was

5589
04:00:28,640 --> 04:00:30,880
>> and then it would need to be adjusted to

5590
04:00:30,880 --> 04:00:34,880
meet um probably where the trail

5591
04:00:34,880 --> 04:00:37,520
originally was part of the

5592
04:00:37,520 --> 04:00:47,189
>> problem.

5593
04:00:47,199 --> 04:00:49,279
supposed to be

5594
04:00:49,279 --> 04:00:51,120
my

5595
04:00:51,120 --> 04:00:54,000
problem for the last

5596
04:00:54,000 --> 04:00:58,630
>> I know that's the that's the

5597
04:00:58,640 --> 04:01:00,560
» cuts through

5598
04:01:00,560 --> 04:01:02,160
Steven Bonsard who we already approved

5599
04:01:02,160 --> 04:01:02,880
for the

5600
04:01:02,880 --> 04:01:05,199
>> why can't it just sit in the ditch

5601
04:01:05,199 --> 04:01:07,120
>> why can't it just sit in that irrigation

5602
04:01:07,120 --> 04:01:09,840
ditch that's been vacated that's not

5603
04:01:09,840 --> 04:01:11,840
used and we can improve that and it can

5604
04:01:11,840 --> 04:01:12,319
be dreamy

5605
04:01:12,319 --> 04:01:14,160
>> well that's my thought is is the piece

5606
04:01:14,160 --> 04:01:16,479
von built down the hawthorns There's

5607
04:01:16,479 --> 04:01:18,800
still 20 ft of haw in there, but it

5608
04:01:18,800 --> 04:01:20,479
would take some work to clear the host

5609
04:01:20,479 --> 04:01:23,279
and put a trail in. But then that would

5610
04:01:23,279 --> 04:01:24,560
I guess technically that would still cut

5611
04:01:24,560 --> 04:01:26,000
into his property because his property

5612
04:01:26,000 --> 04:01:27,760
goes through the right to the lower

5613
04:01:27,760 --> 04:01:28,319
edge.

5614
04:01:28,319 --> 04:01:29,760
>> Does his property go through the

5615
04:01:29,760 --> 04:01:31,760
irrigation ditch? Because if the

5616
04:01:31,760 --> 04:01:35,279
irrigation ditch is is public

5617
04:01:35,279 --> 04:01:36,720
access then

5618
04:01:36,720 --> 04:01:39,439
>> well the irrigation ditch is really

5619
04:01:39,439 --> 04:01:41,920
irrigation.

5620
04:01:41,920 --> 04:01:44,160
>> There's two ditches there.

5621
04:01:44,160 --> 04:01:46,640
one one was private and one was a a

5622
04:01:46,640 --> 04:01:49,279
company did.

5623
04:01:49,279 --> 04:01:50,319
>> So I'm

5624
04:01:50,319 --> 04:01:53,120
>> What does Alpine Irrigation want that we

5625
04:01:53,120 --> 04:01:56,319
have that they would give us just a

5626
04:01:56,319 --> 04:01:58,960
easement to let folks walk through that

5627
04:01:58,960 --> 04:02:00,160
ditch?

5628
04:02:00,160 --> 04:02:02,960
>> Well, that's the thing

5629
04:02:02,960 --> 04:02:06,800
like I'm trying to think of there's a

5630
04:02:06,800 --> 04:02:09,040
recent example

5631
04:02:09,040 --> 04:02:24,309
where Steve said that because you have

5632
04:02:24,319 --> 04:02:26,880
It's just there's so many moving parts.

5633
04:02:26,880 --> 04:02:31,120
So to really start to all of this,

5634
04:02:31,120 --> 04:02:39,910
>> there

5635
04:02:39,920 --> 04:02:43,189
for you.

5636
04:02:43,199 --> 04:02:47,199
I was actually looking at

5637
04:02:47,199 --> 04:02:48,720
her, but yeah, you can email me. My

5638
04:02:48,720 --> 04:03:32,309
email address is on the

5639
04:03:32,319 --> 04:03:37,429
options here.

5640
04:03:37,439 --> 04:03:42,950
I already

5641
04:03:42,960 --> 04:04:26,469
That's the frustration.

5642
04:04:26,479 --> 04:04:27,520
Andrew,

5643
04:04:27,520 --> 04:04:50,710
>> can you come?

5644
04:04:50,720 --> 04:05:18,550
We're not

5645
04:05:18,560 --> 04:05:28,389
I don't care.

5646
04:05:28,399 --> 04:29:14,441
Thousands.

5647
04:29:14,451 --> 04:29:46,790
» [snorts]

5648
04:29:46,800 --> 04:29:48,560
» Wow. This is a heavy knife.

5649
04:29:48,560 --> 04:29:49,760
>> The thing is

5650
04:29:49,760 --> 04:30:05,269
>> lot of heavy issues.

5651
04:30:05,279 --> 04:30:22,309
Okay.

5652
04:30:22,319 --> 04:30:26,159
» I would like development agreements.

5653
04:30:26,159 --> 04:30:28,159
>> We should look at development agreements

5654
04:30:28,159 --> 04:30:30,800
more. We should understand them more. I

5655
04:30:30,800 --> 04:30:33,199
know Ryan was a

5656
04:30:33,199 --> 04:30:52,630
huge

5657
04:30:52,640 --> 04:30:54,880
» Okay. Um,

5658
04:30:54,880 --> 04:30:57,199
>> welcome back to the open session. We'll

5659
04:30:57,199 --> 04:30:58,399
go ahead and move to

5660
04:30:58,399 --> 04:31:00,640
>> I like the idea.

5661
04:31:00,640 --> 04:31:01,760
Okay.

5662
04:31:01,760 --> 04:31:04,479
>> The city council agenda, the proposed

5663
04:31:04,479 --> 04:31:06,159
main street and gateway corridor small

5664
04:31:06,159 --> 04:31:09,840
area plan review. Um Kaden, what what do

5665
04:31:09,840 --> 04:31:11,520
you have for us?

5666
04:31:11,520 --> 04:31:13,199
>> Okay, I'll turn it over quickly back to

5667
04:31:13,199 --> 04:31:14,239
the council because I know we're trying

5668
04:31:14,239 --> 04:31:16,399
to be quick. Um so this is the final

5669
04:31:16,399 --> 04:31:18,960
part of our review. We've reviewed all

5670
04:31:18,960 --> 04:31:20,479
the other parts. You can see here in the

5671
04:31:20,479 --> 04:31:22,399
table of contents where we're just going

5672
04:31:22,399 --> 04:31:24,960
to make sure we hit the land acquisition

5673
04:31:24,960 --> 04:31:26,800
policy and the implementation matrix,

5674
04:31:26,800 --> 04:31:28,880
which we didn't get to in our last

5675
04:31:28,880 --> 04:31:30,720
review. And then the traffic management

5676
04:31:30,720 --> 04:31:32,800
plan.

5677
04:31:32,800 --> 04:31:35,600
Um I put in red here the motion made by

5678
04:31:35,600 --> 04:31:38,239
the planning commission to be considered

5679
04:31:38,239 --> 04:31:40,560
by the council as part of the traffic

5680
04:31:40,560 --> 04:31:43,040
management plan. So um keep that in mind

5681
04:31:43,040 --> 04:31:46,000
or we can reference to it as we discuss.

5682
04:31:46,000 --> 04:31:49,600
Um but let's just jump to the plan. So

5683
04:31:49,600 --> 04:31:51,040
let's first go to those first two

5684
04:31:51,040 --> 04:31:54,000
things.

5685
04:31:54,000 --> 04:31:55,520
>> I'm trying to pull up.

5686
04:31:55,520 --> 04:31:56,159
>> Thank you Hum.

5687
04:31:56,159 --> 04:31:57,040
>> Hi. See you.

5688
04:31:57,040 --> 04:31:58,800
>> Thank you. Nice to meet you, Hyram.

5689
04:31:58,800 --> 04:32:00,880
>> Very impressed. Cedar Hills is lucky to

5690
04:32:00,880 --> 04:32:02,319
have you.

5691
04:32:02,319 --> 04:32:05,439
>> So, the land acquisition policy. Um, so

5692
04:32:05,439 --> 04:32:06,800
the purpose of this section was to

5693
04:32:06,800 --> 04:32:08,479
create a proactive and structured

5694
04:32:08,479 --> 04:32:11,199
approach to securing land parcels that

5695
04:32:11,199 --> 04:32:12,800
will contribute to the small area plan's

5696
04:32:12,800 --> 04:32:16,080
vision and development objectives. Um,

5697
04:32:16,080 --> 04:32:17,840
so

5698
04:32:17,840 --> 04:32:19,600
we it's it's to try to get all the

5699
04:32:19,600 --> 04:32:20,880
parcels within the boundaries of the

5700
04:32:20,880 --> 04:32:22,880
small area plan to be conforming to the

5701
04:32:22,880 --> 04:32:25,120
plan. That's the goal of it. Um and it

5702
04:32:25,120 --> 04:32:27,120
suggests establishing short, mid, and

5703
04:32:27,120 --> 04:32:29,680
long-term goals to do this.

5704
04:32:29,680 --> 04:32:31,520
Um

5705
04:32:31,520 --> 04:32:34,080
so there's a matrix created to address

5706
04:32:34,080 --> 04:32:39,040
the criteria which is here.

5707
04:32:39,040 --> 04:32:40,880
Um to determine the important the

5708
04:32:40,880 --> 04:32:44,080
importance of each each parcel.

5709
04:32:44,080 --> 04:32:46,880
Um weights are given but you can decide

5710
04:32:46,880 --> 04:32:49,279
how weighted each criteria is if you

5711
04:32:49,279 --> 04:32:50,960
wanted to change that but that's what's

5712
04:32:50,960 --> 04:32:54,399
given right now. And then criteria

5713
04:32:54,399 --> 04:32:56,640
weight determines partial score and high

5714
04:32:56,640 --> 04:32:59,040
procurement desiraability.

5715
04:32:59,040 --> 04:33:00,880
Are there any questions on this or

5716
04:33:00,880 --> 04:33:03,199
comments on the land acquisition policy?

5717
04:33:03,199 --> 04:33:05,600
>> Yes. Do we currently have a land

5718
04:33:05,600 --> 04:33:07,119
acquisition policy?

5719
04:33:07,119 --> 04:33:08,480
>> No.

5720
04:33:08,480 --> 04:33:11,600
>> Okay. Um

5721
04:33:11,600 --> 04:33:14,480
I guess that was my only question. Um

5722
04:33:14,480 --> 04:33:16,959
one can I share one thought from Brent

5723
04:33:16,959 --> 04:33:20,000
that he would like shared is that if we

5724
04:33:20,000 --> 04:33:24,080
are talking about acquiring land he

5725
04:33:24,080 --> 04:33:25,680
would love to and maybe this is

5726
04:33:25,680 --> 04:33:27,359
addressed in the matrix and in the

5727
04:33:27,359 --> 04:33:30,080
policy but to make sure that there is a

5728
04:33:30,080 --> 04:33:32,561
use for that land moving forward and I

5729
04:33:32,561 --> 04:33:34,080
think it does mention that in the land

5730
04:33:34,080 --> 04:33:36,561
acquisition section of the small area

5731
04:33:36,561 --> 04:33:39,680
plan but before we decide we're going to

5732
04:33:39,680 --> 04:33:42,719
purchase the land which way I'm assuming

5733
04:33:42,719 --> 04:33:45,119
we do that already. We kind of

5734
04:33:45,119 --> 04:33:49,439
understand what the use is. Um but uh

5735
04:33:49,439 --> 04:33:56,310
no, that was my only question.

5736
04:33:56,320 --> 04:33:58,799
» I'll pass and save my time for later.

5737
04:33:58,799 --> 04:34:00,719
>> Okay. Anybody else?

5738
04:34:00,719 --> 04:34:01,439
>> Okay.

5739
04:34:01,439 --> 04:34:02,000
>> All right.

5740
04:34:02,000 --> 04:34:04,160
>> Andrew, you've got three minutes.

5741
04:34:04,160 --> 04:34:07,359
>> Yeah, I'm uh trying to pull up the

5742
04:34:07,359 --> 04:34:09,359
because it was so long ago, I made all

5743
04:34:09,359 --> 04:34:11,680
my notes on

5744
04:34:11,680 --> 04:34:14,320
uh I I can remember most of them, but I

5745
04:34:14,320 --> 04:34:16,400
went line by line and I I highlighted

5746
04:34:16,400 --> 04:34:17,520
all the parts. So, I'm going back

5747
04:34:17,520 --> 04:34:18,639
through all the different packets to

5748
04:34:18,639 --> 04:34:19,119
find.

5749
04:34:19,119 --> 04:34:20,879
>> We circle back on you when you find it.

5750
04:34:20,879 --> 04:34:21,840
>> Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

5751
04:34:21,840 --> 04:34:24,000
>> Oh, I found it. But so, but go ahead.

5752
04:34:24,000 --> 04:34:25,840
You can go first and I'll I'll find the

5753
04:34:25,840 --> 04:34:26,160
part.

5754
04:34:26,160 --> 04:34:27,600
>> I'm going to defer my time to you

5755
04:34:27,600 --> 04:34:28,959
because I think you're going to need six

5756
04:34:28,959 --> 04:34:30,561
minutes.

5757
04:34:30,561 --> 04:34:32,400
>> When you said line by line.

5758
04:34:32,400 --> 04:34:34,561
>> No, no. What? Okay.

5759
04:34:34,561 --> 04:34:37,039
>> Can we circle back though? You can talk

5760
04:34:37,039 --> 04:34:39,600
about land acquisition and after Kaden

5761
04:34:39,600 --> 04:34:40,799
>> I can I can wait till the whole thing's

5762
04:34:40,799 --> 04:34:42,240
done and just go through. Let's just go

5763
04:34:42,240 --> 04:34:43,840
through the whole

5764
04:34:43,840 --> 04:34:45,039
>> Okay, let's do that. Okay, so the

5765
04:34:45,039 --> 04:34:47,840
implementation matrix is uh just this

5766
04:34:47,840 --> 04:34:51,039
page. So it's just the uh it's similar

5767
04:34:51,039 --> 04:34:53,279
to the project prioritization matrix for

5768
04:34:53,279 --> 04:34:55,359
the budget. Um it's a matrix to help

5769
04:34:55,359 --> 04:34:57,359
identify priority projects and to meet

5770
04:34:57,359 --> 04:34:59,359
the plan's objectives. So that's what's

5771
04:34:59,359 --> 04:35:01,199
listed here. Any comments?

5772
04:35:01,199 --> 04:35:08,080
>> Is this the implementation matrix for to get through to get from vision to

5773
04:35:08,080 --> 04:35:09,760
ordinance?

5774
04:35:09,760 --> 04:35:11,039
>> Right.

5775
04:35:11,039 --> 04:35:12,959
Yes. So I think you can read yeah the

5776
04:35:12,959 --> 04:35:16,561
action items here. Um

5777
04:35:16,561 --> 04:35:18,400
adopt land use acquisition program into

5778
04:35:18,400 --> 04:35:20,799
city's code. Adopt up to historic main

5779
04:35:20,799 --> 04:35:22,000
design guidelines. So those are kind of

5780
04:35:22,000 --> 04:35:23,600
the first things that saying we need to

5781
04:35:23,600 --> 04:35:26,160
get done and then all these other things

5782
04:35:26,160 --> 04:35:27,119
can kind of come later.

5783
04:35:27,119 --> 04:35:29,840
>> Everything from pedestrian walkways to

5784
04:35:29,840 --> 04:35:31,840
uh iconic elements that are at the

5785
04:35:31,840 --> 04:35:34,561
entrances to ordinance recommendations.

5786
04:35:34,561 --> 04:35:35,680
>> Okay.

5787
04:35:35,680 --> 04:35:38,080
>> The roundabouts. It's got a bunch to

5788
04:35:38,080 --> 04:35:39,840
speed limits.

5789
04:35:39,840 --> 04:35:45,029
Okay. Any comment on this?

5790
04:35:45,039 --> 04:35:46,719
Okay. So, the traffic management plan,

5791
04:35:46,719 --> 04:35:49,279
which is I'm sure we've all been waiting

5792
04:35:49,279 --> 04:35:51,600
for this anxiously to talk about this,

5793
04:35:51,600 --> 04:35:53,920
but um I guess I'll just briefly say

5794
04:35:53,920 --> 04:35:56,160
this is broken down into into the

5795
04:35:56,160 --> 04:35:58,959
different uh gateway corridors that lead

5796
04:35:58,959 --> 04:36:02,240
into Alpine. So, we uh start with Main

5797
04:36:02,240 --> 04:36:04,240
Street here.

5798
04:36:04,240 --> 04:36:06,959
um talks about having a shared use path

5799
04:36:06,959 --> 04:36:11,760
on the east side that's 10 ft wide. Um I

5800
04:36:11,760 --> 04:36:15,680
think uh it's interesting that one thing

5801
04:36:15,680 --> 04:36:18,240
I guess I was planning on recommending

5802
04:36:18,240 --> 04:36:19,920
just from a planning perspective it

5803
04:36:19,920 --> 04:36:21,359
could be helpful to separate a little

5804
04:36:21,359 --> 04:36:23,760
bit more the biking and the walking uh

5805
04:36:23,760 --> 04:36:25,840
just for aesthetics and and usability of

5806
04:36:25,840 --> 04:36:30,080
the space. Um it talks about in here

5807
04:36:30,080 --> 04:36:32,160
let's see where is it? I don't remember

5808
04:36:32,160 --> 04:36:34,719
exactly, but it talks right here. RFBs,

5809
04:36:34,719 --> 04:36:37,039
reg rectangular rapid flashing beacons.

5810
04:36:37,039 --> 04:36:40,240
Um, I think they can be good, but I also

5811
04:36:40,240 --> 04:36:43,439
think that if you have them on your main

5812
04:36:43,439 --> 04:36:45,840
street, then it could be a sign that you

5813
04:36:45,840 --> 04:36:47,279
don't have a pedestrian scale main

5814
04:36:47,279 --> 04:36:49,039
street because they're usually used

5815
04:36:49,039 --> 04:36:50,639
because drivers are not expecting

5816
04:36:50,639 --> 04:36:53,279
pedestrians in that space. So, I think

5817
04:36:53,279 --> 04:36:54,719
that's a good thing to keep in mind is

5818
04:36:54,719 --> 04:36:57,920
if we're relying a lot on RFBS, these

5819
04:36:57,920 --> 04:36:59,439
flashing beacons, we probably don't have

5820
04:36:59,439 --> 04:37:01,279
a pedestrian scale street.

5821
04:37:01,279 --> 04:37:02,639
>> Um, so I think that would be the main

5822
04:37:02,639 --> 04:37:04,719
thing to think about is um let's let's

5823
04:37:04,719 --> 04:37:06,879
try to build according to the pedestrian

5824
04:37:06,879 --> 04:37:09,439
scale, good streetscapes, and then and

5825
04:37:09,439 --> 04:37:11,199
then go from there. Um, but especially

5826
04:37:11,199 --> 04:37:14,799
for Main Street. Um, so that was my

5827
04:37:14,799 --> 04:37:16,480
comment on that. I think curb extensions

5828
04:37:16,480 --> 04:37:18,320
are awesome. That's a great thing. Speed

5829
04:37:18,320 --> 04:37:21,279
management I is recommended to go to 20.

5830
04:37:21,279 --> 04:37:23,359
I think it's 30 right now or 25 at

5831
04:37:23,359 --> 04:37:24,879
different points along Main Street.

5832
04:37:24,879 --> 04:37:25,279
>> Yes.

5833
04:37:25,279 --> 04:37:27,840
>> Recommended to go to 20. Um and again, I

5834
04:37:27,840 --> 04:37:29,680
think that only really works if you have

5835
04:37:29,680 --> 04:37:32,879
good well-designed streets. Otherwise,

5836
04:37:32,879 --> 04:37:34,000
people will just drive at the speed

5837
04:37:34,000 --> 04:37:35,279
they're comfortable.

5838
04:37:35,279 --> 04:37:38,719
>> So, just to keep that in mind. Um

5839
04:37:38,719 --> 04:37:40,400
and then, yeah, it talks about Alpine

5840
04:37:40,400 --> 04:37:44,000
Highway. This is a lot about um the

5841
04:37:44,000 --> 04:37:45,680
Mountainville Academy. So, this whole

5842
04:37:45,680 --> 04:37:47,119
page is kind of talking about

5843
04:37:47,119 --> 04:37:49,840
Mountainville Academy. Um, and I know

5844
04:37:49,840 --> 04:37:51,199
that's an issue on top of everybody's

5845
04:37:51,199 --> 04:37:53,439
mind, so I'll just skip that for now and

5846
04:37:53,439 --> 04:37:54,639
we can talk about it if you guys want

5847
04:37:54,639 --> 04:37:58,959
to. [clears throat] Alpine Highway is

5848
04:37:58,959 --> 04:38:01,279
uh I think this is a pretty good

5849
04:38:01,279 --> 04:38:02,879
cross-section right here showing what

5850
04:38:02,879 --> 04:38:06,080
Alpine Highway could look like. Um, I

5851
04:38:06,080 --> 04:38:07,680
would just make a comment again like I

5852
04:38:07,680 --> 04:38:10,080
think not only just a painted buffer

5853
04:38:10,080 --> 04:38:13,279
could be good for bikes and and the uh

5854
04:38:13,279 --> 04:38:15,680
trees and pedestrians. Maybe even some

5855
04:38:15,680 --> 04:38:18,719
sort of vertical buffer curb or

5856
04:38:18,719 --> 04:38:21,119
something could be good to separate

5857
04:38:21,119 --> 04:38:26,719
those those different uses from cars and bikers just to promote the biking.

5858
04:38:26,719 --> 04:38:28,160
Um, if if that's what you're looking

5859
04:38:28,160 --> 04:38:31,199
for. Um,

5860
04:38:31,199 --> 04:38:34,561
then I'll just jump to Canyon Crest. Um,

5861
04:38:34,561 --> 04:38:38,400
same thing I think. Um,

5862
04:38:38,400 --> 04:38:40,080
could have a buffer as well between the

5863
04:38:40,080 --> 04:38:42,480
shared use path and between cars. And

5864
04:38:42,480 --> 04:38:45,359
then Westfield

5865
04:38:45,359 --> 04:38:48,320
jump to that one. Oh, I So, this next

5866
04:38:48,320 --> 04:38:49,520
thing is just talking about the

5867
04:38:49,520 --> 04:38:52,240
roundabout for Canyon Crest and Ridge

5868
04:38:52,240 --> 04:38:54,160
Drive, which I know again is on top of

5869
04:38:54,160 --> 04:38:58,160
everybody's mind right now. Um, so I

5870
04:38:58,160 --> 04:39:00,959
think everyone is in agreement or

5871
04:39:00,959 --> 04:39:03,039
considering to be in agreement for that

5872
04:39:03,039 --> 04:39:05,199
uh to be turned into a roundabout. So I

5873
04:39:05,199 --> 04:39:08,959
know it's in our budget. And then um

5874
04:39:08,959 --> 04:39:12,000
just going to Westfield Road.

5875
04:39:12,000 --> 04:39:14,320
Uh I think it's a good cross-section as

5876
04:39:14,320 --> 04:39:15,600
well up here that's pictured what

5877
04:39:15,600 --> 04:39:18,240
Westfield could look like. Um and again

5878
04:39:18,240 --> 04:39:19,760
buffer bike lanes I think are always

5879
04:39:19,760 --> 04:39:21,680
good. That might be what that says right

5880
04:39:21,680 --> 04:39:22,959
there is buffer. It's kind of blurry

5881
04:39:22,959 --> 04:39:25,119
here on the screen. Um, but I think

5882
04:39:25,119 --> 04:39:26,240
that's always good if that's what you're

5883
04:39:26,240 --> 04:39:28,000
trying to promote.

5884
04:39:28,000 --> 04:39:30,000
Um, I noticed there's a lot of mention

5885
04:39:30,000 --> 04:39:32,160
of different small roundabouts too

5886
04:39:32,160 --> 04:39:35,279
throughout these gateway corridors. Um,

5887
04:39:35,279 --> 04:39:37,920
and again like [clears throat] rapid

5888
04:39:37,920 --> 04:39:41,040
RFBs, rapid uh flashing beacons again

5889
04:39:41,040 --> 04:39:44,638
throughout. So, I just would I guess

5890
04:39:44,638 --> 04:39:46,400
recommend to the council consider how

5891
04:39:46,400 --> 04:39:48,718
and when to implement those in in the

5892
04:39:48,718 --> 04:39:52,638
right way and um how that um compares

5893
04:39:52,638 --> 04:39:54,560
and contrast to just having good street

5894
04:39:54,560 --> 04:39:56,638
design for the ideal streets you want

5895
04:39:56,638 --> 04:39:59,200
for the gateways and then I'll turn it

5896
04:39:59,200 --> 04:40:05,350
over to you guys again.

5897
04:40:05,360 --> 04:40:09,990
» Okay, I'm setting my timer.

5898
04:40:10,000 --> 04:40:12,560
Okay. In general, I just think anything

5899
04:40:12,560 --> 04:40:14,000
we implement, we should start with

5900
04:40:14,000 --> 04:40:16,958
lowhanging fruit and kind of rule out

5901
04:40:16,958 --> 04:40:20,000
kind of some of the more immediate fixes

5902
04:40:20,000 --> 04:40:22,000
that we could just do on our own as a

5903
04:40:22,000 --> 04:40:25,520
city. Um, I'll start with Main Street.

5904
04:40:25,520 --> 04:40:28,320
Um, first, I really love the idea of

5905
04:40:28,320 --> 04:40:30,638
having active transportation.

5906
04:40:30,638 --> 04:40:34,480
Um, I like that we have bike lanes. Um,

5907
04:40:34,480 --> 04:40:36,000
and I believe it said restricting

5908
04:40:36,000 --> 04:40:37,760
parking to only the east side of Main

5909
04:40:37,760 --> 04:40:41,680
Street. I like that. Um, I also agree

5910
04:40:41,680 --> 04:40:44,320
with lowering the target speeds to 20 to

5911
04:40:44,320 --> 04:40:46,718
25 miles per hour. Realistically, I feel

5912
04:40:46,718 --> 04:40:50,080
like 25 is more realistic. Although, I

5913
04:40:50,080 --> 04:40:51,440
was driving through Provo the other day

5914
04:40:51,440 --> 04:40:53,920
and they have signs over parts of their

5915
04:40:53,920 --> 04:40:56,160
roads that say 20 is plenty, which I

5916
04:40:56,160 --> 04:40:59,440
thought was kind of clever. Um,

5917
04:40:59,440 --> 04:41:02,958
Alpine Highway, again, bike lanes. I

5918
04:41:02,958 --> 04:41:04,798
think that's amazing. That would be

5919
04:41:04,798 --> 04:41:07,120
great. At one on one of our discussions,

5920
04:41:07,120 --> 04:41:09,520
we were talking about that easement. Um

5921
04:41:09,520 --> 04:41:11,680
it was brought up that if we could

5922
04:41:11,680 --> 04:41:13,920
figure out a way to put a trail over the

5923
04:41:13,920 --> 04:41:16,560
metro easement, that might also be an

5924
04:41:16,560 --> 04:41:19,120
option worth exploring.

5925
04:41:19,120 --> 04:41:21,040
Um

5926
04:41:21,040 --> 04:41:25,120
Canyon Crest Road. Um I am in favor of

5927
04:41:25,120 --> 04:41:27,200
potentially lowering the speed limit to

5928
04:41:27,200 --> 04:41:30,560
30, but um I don't know that it actually

5929
04:41:30,560 --> 04:41:32,958
says that in here. So maybe it's it

5930
04:41:32,958 --> 04:41:36,718
does. Okay. Thanks. Um, I'm going to

5931
04:41:36,718 --> 04:41:39,360
skip over the roundabout. Um, Westfield

5932
04:41:39,360 --> 04:41:43,440
Road. Again, I am in favor of exploring

5933
04:41:43,440 --> 04:41:45,520
and implementing any sort of active

5934
04:41:45,520 --> 04:41:47,200
transportation.

5935
04:41:47,200 --> 04:41:51,600
Um, I think it's it makes our community

5936
04:41:51,600 --> 04:41:54,798
better. It provides an amenity and it

5937
04:41:54,798 --> 04:41:57,840
creates safety. So, I would love to be

5938
04:41:57,840 --> 04:42:02,000
able to explore that more. Um,

5939
04:42:02,000 --> 04:42:03,760
I don't know that I have any other

5940
04:42:03,760 --> 04:42:06,400
thoughts. Um,

5941
04:42:06,400 --> 04:42:08,638
okay. Now, I still have one minute, but

5942
04:42:08,638 --> 04:42:11,680
I will stop there. I don't know if that

5943
04:42:11,680 --> 04:42:13,680
was even helpful.

5944
04:42:13,680 --> 04:42:17,110
>> Okay.

5945
04:42:17,120 --> 04:42:21,840
I have um comments. First of all, um I I

5946
04:42:21,840 --> 04:42:25,280
think a lot of focus goes on to traffic

5947
04:42:25,280 --> 04:42:29,200
car related vehicle and I love that this

5948
04:42:29,200 --> 04:42:32,718
plan brought in um ways to address bike

5949
04:42:32,718 --> 04:42:35,440
concerns as well as pedestrian

5950
04:42:35,440 --> 04:42:38,638
and sometimes pedestrian is only um

5951
04:42:38,638 --> 04:42:40,798
considered if there's a safety issue,

5952
04:42:40,798 --> 04:42:43,120
but actually having a walking friendly

5953
04:42:43,120 --> 04:42:46,638
community is highly desirable. And so I

5954
04:42:46,638 --> 04:42:49,120
loved that about he addressed what do we

5955
04:42:49,120 --> 04:42:51,600
need not just to keep people safe but to

5956
04:42:51,600 --> 04:42:53,920
encourage people to become pedestrians

5957
04:42:53,920 --> 04:42:56,560
instead of drivers. So that was one of

5958
04:42:56,560 --> 04:42:58,400
the things I did appreciate about the

5959
04:42:58,400 --> 04:43:04,160
plan. Um I do think that um we do have a

5960
04:43:04,160 --> 04:43:07,520
number of traffic studies and I have

5961
04:43:07,520 --> 04:43:10,240
them all in my binder that I have copies

5962
04:43:10,240 --> 04:43:12,878
of and most of them focus strictly on

5963
04:43:12,878 --> 04:43:14,958
Main Street. So to bring attention to

5964
04:43:14,958 --> 04:43:19,360
other areas um it was really insightful.

5965
04:43:19,360 --> 04:43:21,920
It's just more broadbased.

5966
04:43:21,920 --> 04:43:25,360
Um so I do I did love that about this

5967
04:43:25,360 --> 04:43:29,120
specifically and um he also has

5968
04:43:29,120 --> 04:43:30,638
alternatives

5969
04:43:30,638 --> 04:43:33,200
as we know the roundabout has been a big

5970
04:43:33,200 --> 04:43:36,240
um point of discussion and then there's

5971
04:43:36,240 --> 04:43:38,480
option one option two and then in the

5972
04:43:38,480 --> 04:43:40,638
long term a roundabout should be

5973
04:43:40,638 --> 04:43:43,040
considered at the intersection. So, as I

5974
04:43:43,040 --> 04:43:44,320
pointed out in a different meeting, I

5975
04:43:44,320 --> 04:43:45,600
won't repeat it, that in the

5976
04:43:45,600 --> 04:43:47,360
intermediary time, maybe there's

5977
04:43:47,360 --> 04:43:49,520
something to do um with that specific

5978
04:43:49,520 --> 04:43:52,000
intersection. And maybe if we're lucky,

5979
04:43:52,000 --> 04:43:55,200
we'll it will, you know, reduce speed.

5980
04:43:55,200 --> 04:43:58,080
It will address the issues and we'll see

5981
04:43:58,080 --> 04:44:00,080
um if it's needed, but or it will prove

5982
04:44:00,080 --> 04:44:01,840
the opposite that it didn't accomplish

5983
04:44:01,840 --> 04:44:03,200
what we'd like and therefore it

5984
04:44:03,200 --> 04:44:05,760
justifies the roundabout. Either way, I

5985
04:44:05,760 --> 04:44:07,680
feel like if we if we um did some of

5986
04:44:07,680 --> 04:44:09,600
these to Sarah's point, lowhanging

5987
04:44:09,600 --> 04:44:13,040
fruit, it would help us give um more

5988
04:44:13,040 --> 04:44:14,958
justification one way or the other,

5989
04:44:14,958 --> 04:44:17,840
however we move forward um as we move

5990
04:44:17,840 --> 04:44:19,040
along with the Canyon Crest

5991
04:44:19,040 --> 04:44:21,920
improvements. I did want to I'm I'm

5992
04:44:21,920 --> 04:44:24,080
going to um

5993
04:44:24,080 --> 04:44:26,080
>> divide the rest of my devote the rest of

5994
04:44:26,080 --> 04:44:28,240
my time to the long-term implementation

5995
04:44:28,240 --> 04:44:30,718
of this. I love the implementation

5996
04:44:30,718 --> 04:44:32,320
matrix. I think they've done a lot of

5997
04:44:32,320 --> 04:44:34,000
the heavy lifting for us about what we

5998
04:44:34,000 --> 04:44:37,520
need to do next. And in talking to um

5999
04:44:37,520 --> 04:44:40,000
our planning commission chair who's Alan

6000
04:44:40,000 --> 04:44:44,400
McDonald and also um Kaden, I felt like

6001
04:44:44,400 --> 04:44:46,080
there the planning commission made some

6002
04:44:46,080 --> 04:44:48,080
recommendations. We have recommendations

6003
04:44:48,080 --> 04:44:49,920
and I would like to have a unified

6004
04:44:49,920 --> 04:44:52,080
message going back to the consultants to

6005
04:44:52,080 --> 04:44:53,840
say these are the changes we want to

6006
04:44:53,840 --> 04:44:56,320
see. And the best way to do that I feel

6007
04:44:56,320 --> 04:44:58,000
is rather than like listen to meetings

6008
04:44:58,000 --> 04:45:00,080
again or Kaden wasn't here for the whole

6009
04:45:00,080 --> 04:45:02,798
year that we were doing all this is to

6010
04:45:02,798 --> 04:45:04,878
combine make a team effort and have one

6011
04:45:04,878 --> 04:45:08,000
council member or two and at least one

6012
04:45:08,000 --> 04:45:10,560
planning commission member like go

6013
04:45:10,560 --> 04:45:13,040
through one specific section combine

6014
04:45:13,040 --> 04:45:15,040
both the feedback and and have a

6015
04:45:15,040 --> 04:45:18,000
document to submit to our to our

6016
04:45:18,000 --> 04:45:19,360
consultant so that they're not getting

6017
04:45:19,360 --> 04:45:21,680
conflicting information. Kaden's not

6018
04:45:21,680 --> 04:45:24,638
trying to interpret minutes, you know,

6019
04:45:24,638 --> 04:45:26,878
the intent and everything. So, in

6020
04:45:26,878 --> 04:45:28,878
talking to Allan, he's in agreement and

6021
04:45:28,878 --> 04:45:31,920
we um we thought the four areas that we

6022
04:45:31,920 --> 04:45:34,718
covered here in the colored um schematic

6023
04:45:34,718 --> 04:45:37,200
that Kaden has created for us would be

6024
04:45:37,200 --> 04:45:40,240
great as we brought um attention. Brent

6025
04:45:40,240 --> 04:45:44,320
is very keen on traffic and Andy Spencer

6026
04:45:44,320 --> 04:45:46,320
was on our SP planning commission. I

6027
04:45:46,320 --> 04:45:48,400
mean, our what is it called? Our

6028
04:45:48,400 --> 04:45:50,320
steering committee. our steering

6029
04:45:50,320 --> 04:45:52,160
committee and he's actually a traffic

6030
04:45:52,160 --> 04:45:54,400
engineer for UD do so he had some great

6031
04:45:54,400 --> 04:45:56,878
insights if we and then one person from

6032
04:45:56,878 --> 04:45:58,160
planning commission that's just an

6033
04:45:58,160 --> 04:46:01,840
example um in your third email okay

6034
04:46:01,840 --> 04:46:04,560
there's two out of out of out of this in

6035
04:46:04,560 --> 04:46:07,360
your third email can we work send Kaden

6036
04:46:07,360 --> 04:46:08,878
which would be your interest to

6037
04:46:08,878 --> 04:46:11,440
participate if we divide up into four

6038
04:46:11,440 --> 04:46:16,878
smaller committees okay and um lastly

6039
04:46:16,878 --> 04:46:20,080
knowing that everybody's human. We all

6040
04:46:20,080 --> 04:46:22,480
do better if there's a deadline. Can we

6041
04:46:22,480 --> 04:46:24,798
get together with your you you would be

6042
04:46:24,798 --> 04:46:27,760
assigned to be the to get together with

6043
04:46:27,760 --> 04:46:31,200
your me with your committee members,

6044
04:46:31,200 --> 04:46:33,760
produce the feedback and hand it in to

6045
04:46:33,760 --> 04:46:35,920
Kaden so that he can forward it on to

6046
04:46:35,920 --> 04:46:39,840
our consultants by September 1st

6047
04:46:39,840 --> 04:46:41,440
if that's possible. Yes,

6048
04:46:41,440 --> 04:46:48,160
>> that's that's my last um comment, but I I as you continue with your feedback,

6049
04:46:48,160 --> 04:46:50,320
Sarah's already agreed to it. The the

6050
04:46:50,320 --> 04:46:52,320
two remaining council members, if you

6051
04:46:52,320 --> 04:46:55,360
can say Chrissy s plan sounds good.

6052
04:46:55,360 --> 04:46:59,360
Thumbs up. I'm done. Jess,

6053
04:46:59,360 --> 04:47:01,120
>> I defer my time to council.

6054
04:47:01,120 --> 04:47:03,200
>> No, she's asking for a response from

6055
04:47:03,200 --> 04:47:05,840
you. Thumbs up or thumbs down on her

6056
04:47:05,840 --> 04:47:08,160
>> September 1st deadline down into four

6057
04:47:08,160 --> 04:47:08,638
groups.

6058
04:47:08,638 --> 04:47:09,520
>> Yes.

6059
04:47:09,520 --> 04:47:11,840
>> Okay. Thumb. That was a thumbs up. She

6060
04:47:11,840 --> 04:47:12,958
didn't say anything, so you have to put

6061
04:47:12,958 --> 04:47:13,600
that in the minutes.

6062
04:47:13,600 --> 04:47:15,200
>> So, you want me to give your three

6063
04:47:15,200 --> 04:47:17,760
minutes to Andrew? So,

6064
04:47:17,760 --> 04:47:19,200
>> said thumbs up.

6065
04:47:19,200 --> 04:47:19,600
>> Okay.

6066
04:47:19,600 --> 04:47:20,560
>> I don't think I'm much longer than

6067
04:47:20,560 --> 04:47:21,680
anyone else. I know I'm getting

6068
04:47:21,680 --> 04:47:23,120
>> Okay. I do have a question for Kayen,

6069
04:47:23,120 --> 04:47:26,480
though. Our grant coming through MAG for

6070
04:47:26,480 --> 04:47:28,560
writing for rewriting our code to

6071
04:47:28,560 --> 04:47:30,718
accommodate the new um things. When does

6072
04:47:30,718 --> 04:47:32,320
that go into effect and how long do we

6073
04:47:32,320 --> 04:47:34,320
have? I don't remember the timeline.

6074
04:47:34,320 --> 04:47:35,920
>> Oh, that is a good question. I'll have

6075
04:47:35,920 --> 04:47:37,040
to look into that. I don't remember

6076
04:47:37,040 --> 04:47:38,000
exactly either.

6077
04:47:38,000 --> 04:47:38,400
>> Okay.

6078
04:47:38,400 --> 04:47:41,440
>> Yeah, let's look into that. Thank you.

6079
04:47:41,440 --> 04:47:42,160
>> Okay.

6080
04:47:42,160 --> 04:47:44,400
>> I love that idea, Chrissy, and I would

6081
04:47:44,400 --> 04:47:46,638
love to be on the group with traffic

6082
04:47:46,638 --> 04:47:49,440
>> if you haven't already chose someone.

6083
04:47:49,440 --> 04:47:50,560
>> Okay.

6084
04:47:50,560 --> 04:47:52,560
>> Uh I really would love to help out with

6085
04:47:52,560 --> 04:47:53,920
that.

6086
04:47:53,920 --> 04:47:56,400
>> Okay. Um on the land acquisition

6087
04:47:56,400 --> 04:48:00,080
section, I don't think it's there, but

6088
04:48:00,080 --> 04:48:02,160
it might be. I I'm honestly not

6089
04:48:02,160 --> 04:48:04,638
remembering, but to have some sort of

6090
04:48:04,638 --> 04:48:06,718
priority to do some land acquisition for

6091
04:48:06,718 --> 04:48:08,638
entrance signs on the three gateways. It

6092
04:48:08,638 --> 04:48:11,280
does call for them and it does call for

6093
04:48:11,280 --> 04:48:14,798
iconic statues or something some visual

6094
04:48:14,798 --> 04:48:17,200
piece it calls for that. Sorry I got in

6095
04:48:17,200 --> 04:48:20,000
my teeth but I don't know if the land

6096
04:48:20,000 --> 04:48:21,520
acquisition follows that. So if that's

6097
04:48:21,520 --> 04:48:22,878
not there it might be something to get

6098
04:48:22,878 --> 04:48:26,320
ahead of as people move come uh they're

6099
04:48:26,320 --> 04:48:28,320
small parcels or additions but that's

6100
04:48:28,320 --> 04:48:30,958
where we could add our entrance signs on

6101
04:48:30,958 --> 04:48:33,920
Canyon Crest uh Alpine Highway and

6102
04:48:33,920 --> 04:48:36,480
Westfield if that ever happens.

6103
04:48:36,480 --> 04:48:38,320
Residents are asking for it. So that's

6104
04:48:38,320 --> 04:48:40,958
that. Okay. Then the other stuff is very

6105
04:48:40,958 --> 04:48:43,120
short. Uh I agree with everything in

6106
04:48:43,120 --> 04:48:44,718
this uh or pretty much I don't think

6107
04:48:44,718 --> 04:48:46,160
there's anything I don't agree with. I

6108
04:48:46,160 --> 04:48:49,120
love it actually. Um I would only

6109
04:48:49,120 --> 04:48:51,520
probably go a little bit further. Um and

6110
04:48:51,520 --> 04:48:53,920
so basically my mission that I was asked

6111
04:48:53,920 --> 04:48:55,680
to do was to not let any of the speed

6112
04:48:55,680 --> 04:48:57,840
reductions get taken out, but no one

6113
04:48:57,840 --> 04:48:59,360
wants to take them out, so I think we're

6114
04:48:59,360 --> 04:49:01,440
fine. Um I think everyone mostly agrees

6115
04:49:01,440 --> 04:49:03,920
with them. The main street is currently

6116
04:49:03,920 --> 04:49:06,560
30 and they want to bring it down to 25

6117
04:49:06,560 --> 04:49:08,320
and 20.

6118
04:49:08,320 --> 04:49:10,798
So, I I love that. And let us know what

6119
04:49:10,798 --> 04:49:12,480
we need to do to help out with that. If

6120
04:49:12,480 --> 04:49:14,480
you'd like to start the first steps, the

6121
04:49:14,480 --> 04:49:16,480
Canyon Crest is recommended to go from

6122
04:49:16,480 --> 04:49:21,360
35 to 30 um in this. Um I know the

6123
04:49:21,360 --> 04:49:23,840
residents there are asking for 25, but

6124
04:49:23,840 --> 04:49:26,958
30 is good, too. Um

6125
04:49:26,958 --> 04:49:28,878
uh so yeah, it let us know what we need

6126
04:49:28,878 --> 04:49:31,520
to do to help make that happen. Uh

6127
04:49:31,520 --> 04:49:35,840
Westfield um wants to go from 35 to it's

6128
04:49:35,840 --> 04:49:37,840
recommending go from 35 to 30 on

6129
04:49:37,840 --> 04:49:40,080
Westfield. So So I just drove these

6130
04:49:40,080 --> 04:49:42,480
roads and this is what I pondering them

6131
04:49:42,480 --> 04:49:44,320
because I know what people are after a

6132
04:49:44,320 --> 04:49:46,080
quiet nice neighborhood and they live by

6133
04:49:46,080 --> 04:49:48,560
a busy road. Oh, by the way, Alpine

6134
04:49:48,560 --> 04:49:50,718
Highways from 45 to 40. That's what it

6135
04:49:50,718 --> 04:49:52,560
recommends. So I agree with all those. I

6136
04:49:52,560 --> 04:49:54,798
would take it further. But this is what

6137
04:49:54,798 --> 04:49:56,000
I was pondering. This is what I think

6138
04:49:56,000 --> 04:49:59,040
you might think about. If we take the

6139
04:49:59,040 --> 04:50:02,240
roads down from 35 to 30, people will

6140
04:50:02,240 --> 04:50:05,520
drive 40. They'll drive 10 over. If we

6141
04:50:05,520 --> 04:50:08,000
take them down to 25, people do not

6142
04:50:08,000 --> 04:50:11,600
drive 25. So if you made Westfield 25,

6143
04:50:11,600 --> 04:50:14,320
people will drive 35, which is what the

6144
04:50:14,320 --> 04:50:17,360
speed limit is now, but people do not

6145
04:50:17,360 --> 04:50:19,280
drive 35 on

6146
04:50:19,280 --> 04:50:21,680
>> exiting Maine or on Westfield. Europe in

6147
04:50:21,680 --> 04:50:24,638
the 45s and hitting 50. and you and it

6148
04:50:24,638 --> 04:50:27,600
and it's almost unperceptible just

6149
04:50:27,600 --> 04:50:29,600
because it's a long straight and it's

6150
04:50:29,600 --> 04:50:31,200
unperceptible unless of course you live

6151
04:50:31,200 --> 04:50:34,798
there. So that is one thing why I think

6152
04:50:34,798 --> 04:50:36,798
uh this does a good job but I think we

6153
04:50:36,798 --> 04:50:38,718
can push it further like taking Maine to

6154
04:50:38,718 --> 04:50:40,400
20. I think people will actually drive

6155
04:50:40,400 --> 04:50:42,958
30 on Maine and I think that will be

6156
04:50:42,958 --> 04:50:45,280
much better for walkable on Canyon Crest

6157
04:50:45,280 --> 04:50:47,440
and Westfield. If we drop it to 30 it's

6158
04:50:47,440 --> 04:50:48,958
still going to be fast. If we drop it to

6159
04:50:48,958 --> 04:50:51,200
25 it'll be exactly what it is now

6160
04:50:51,200 --> 04:50:53,840
people driving now but it'll be a much

6161
04:50:53,840 --> 04:50:57,360
more easy to enforce and it will just

6162
04:50:57,360 --> 04:50:59,120
take off that bite when people get up

6163
04:50:59,120 --> 04:51:01,120
into the 45 and the 50 range. But if we

6164
04:51:01,120 --> 04:51:03,920
drop it to 25, I think people will

6165
04:51:03,920 --> 04:51:05,440
actually drive 35 and we'll actually

6166
04:51:05,440 --> 04:51:07,360
have the road that it's supposed to be

6167
04:51:07,360 --> 04:51:09,520
right now. So, I love what they did. I I

6168
04:51:09,520 --> 04:51:11,040
would be totally in favor of all of

6169
04:51:11,040 --> 04:51:13,680
these. If it was pushed further, I don't

6170
04:51:13,680 --> 04:51:16,080
think that's going to make standills. I

6171
04:51:16,080 --> 04:51:17,600
think it will actually produce the type

6172
04:51:17,600 --> 04:51:18,958
of road that it's actually supposed to

6173
04:51:18,958 --> 04:51:20,000
be. So, that was what I was pondering

6174
04:51:20,000 --> 04:51:21,760
while I was on Westfield taking

6175
04:51:21,760 --> 04:51:26,878
raccoons. Um, and so the last things is if we can help with

6176
04:51:26,878 --> 04:51:28,958
painting the crosswalks, we'd be happy

6177
04:51:28,958 --> 04:51:31,920
to. So it seems like a easy job. So if

6178
04:51:31,920 --> 04:51:34,160
those are things we can do quick, let us

6179
04:51:34,160 --> 04:51:36,560
know. We can rally up. Uh I know it says

6180
04:51:36,560 --> 04:51:38,000
a lot of different crosswalks and

6181
04:51:38,000 --> 04:51:40,560
things. We can't do the curb extensions

6182
04:51:40,560 --> 04:51:42,958
and things. That requires skilled

6183
04:51:42,958 --> 04:51:46,080
laborers and cement mixing cement.

6184
04:51:46,080 --> 04:51:48,320
That's like next level. But for the

6185
04:51:48,320 --> 04:51:50,400
crosswalks, I'd love to help. Or if we

6186
04:51:50,400 --> 04:51:52,638
can get volunteers to do them, hit those

6187
04:51:52,638 --> 04:51:54,080
ones on Canyon Crest that you can't even

6188
04:51:54,080 --> 04:51:56,798
see or the ones on Red Pine or the Main

6189
04:51:56,798 --> 04:51:58,400
Street ones. So, if that is a thing and

6190
04:51:58,400 --> 04:51:59,600
we need a special paint, let us know.

6191
04:51:59,600 --> 04:52:02,240
We'd love to help. Um, final thing is it

6192
04:52:02,240 --> 04:52:03,920
talks about all these speed reducing

6193
04:52:03,920 --> 04:52:05,760
things like uh speed humps and

6194
04:52:05,760 --> 04:52:08,958
roundabouts. Um, oh, we just wanted to

6195
04:52:08,958 --> 04:52:11,040
bring up what we can do to try to do

6196
04:52:11,040 --> 04:52:13,280
those uh tests for the speed humps that

6197
04:52:13,280 --> 04:52:15,040
we were trying to do, which I know are

6198
04:52:15,040 --> 04:52:16,878
controversial. Maybe we can do an

6199
04:52:16,878 --> 04:52:18,638
innovative one that goes up and down or

6200
04:52:18,638 --> 04:52:21,920
ones that are not permanent. There's a lot I'm noticing that are not

6201
04:52:21,920 --> 04:52:24,798
permanent. They're they're like rubber

6202
04:52:24,798 --> 04:52:27,120
and they're not very big. you bolt them

6203
04:52:27,120 --> 04:52:28,718
down, you can take them off a year

6204
04:52:28,718 --> 04:52:30,638
later, but they're not permanent. I see

6205
04:52:30,638 --> 04:52:34,000
them more and more often. Um, anyways,

6206
04:52:34,000 --> 04:52:35,680
so I love it. I'm so thankful for you

6207
04:52:35,680 --> 04:52:37,360
guys doing this. Uh, you've done a lot

6208
04:52:37,360 --> 04:52:39,600
of it before we even came on board, and

6209
04:52:39,600 --> 04:52:40,798
I'm so thankful for that background

6210
04:52:40,798 --> 04:52:42,798
work. I want to support it. So, let us

6211
04:52:42,798 --> 04:52:43,520
know what we

6212
04:52:43,520 --> 04:52:44,958
>> Andrew, can I have 30 seconds?

6213
04:52:44,958 --> 04:52:46,320
>> Yes. Go. Go ahead.

6214
04:52:46,320 --> 04:52:48,320
>> On Alpine Highway, I did want to call

6215
04:52:48,320 --> 04:52:50,878
out um I know you originally had met

6216
04:52:50,878 --> 04:52:51,920
with DOT.

6217
04:52:51,920 --> 04:52:54,000
>> Yes. as a council, would we like to

6218
04:52:54,000 --> 04:52:56,240
consider trying to c, you know, get that

6219
04:52:56,240 --> 04:52:58,080
deed back to us so that we can control

6220
04:52:58,080 --> 04:52:58,718
the speed limit?

6221
04:52:58,718 --> 04:53:00,958
>> Oh, I'm totally in favor, but what they

6222
04:53:00,958 --> 04:53:02,878
said the the meeting we had, which was

6223
04:53:02,878 --> 04:53:05,680
>> you wanted the Utah road to be deed back

6224
04:53:05,680 --> 04:53:07,200
to us,

6225
04:53:07,200 --> 04:53:09,200
>> so we have to maintain it.

6226
04:53:09,200 --> 04:53:10,080
>> It's okay. We can

6227
04:53:10,080 --> 04:53:12,560
>> and snowplow it. And then honestly I

6228
04:53:12,560 --> 04:53:14,160
feel like one of the biggest mistakes we

6229
04:53:14,160 --> 04:53:17,280
made was deing over Main Street because

6230
04:53:17,280 --> 04:53:19,040
if UD do owned it they would have

6231
04:53:19,040 --> 04:53:21,600
widened it at their cost to deal with

6232
04:53:21,600 --> 04:53:23,200
the Mountainville traffic. They would

6233
04:53:23,200 --> 04:53:23,840
have I mean

6234
04:53:23,840 --> 04:53:26,080
>> but we are where we are today and so

6235
04:53:26,080 --> 04:53:29,040
because people speed and eventually we

6236
04:53:29,040 --> 04:53:30,638
are going to do a roundabout and we are

6237
04:53:30,638 --> 04:53:33,520
going to do this connection from you

6238
04:53:33,520 --> 04:53:35,840
know the highway or main street over to

6239
04:53:35,840 --> 04:53:38,480
Westfield. It'd be good to start talking

6240
04:53:38,480 --> 04:53:41,360
about that so that we could control it.

6241
04:53:41,360 --> 04:53:45,840
I think we can work with you do to um

6242
04:53:45,840 --> 04:53:48,400
work with that. I don't think it's a

6243
04:53:48,400 --> 04:53:49,840
great idea

6244
04:53:49,840 --> 04:53:50,958
>> when you do when we have our

6245
04:53:50,958 --> 04:53:53,680
>> Do you understand the cost involved

6246
04:53:53,680 --> 04:53:56,638
>> to be able to control our our own

6247
04:53:56,638 --> 04:54:00,400
rightways? I I again you see that as a

6248
04:54:00,400 --> 04:54:02,718
cost. I see that as ability of a city to

6249
04:54:02,718 --> 04:54:03,920
control their rightways.

6250
04:54:03,920 --> 04:54:04,798
>> Right.

6251
04:54:04,798 --> 04:54:07,280
So I think if there's something that we

6252
04:54:07,280 --> 04:54:10,080
want done on that road, I feel like um

6253
04:54:10,080 --> 04:54:12,320
talking to UD do they have been very

6254
04:54:12,320 --> 04:54:15,200
receptive at least in my request for

6255
04:54:15,200 --> 04:54:18,480
various meetings. Um I don't understand

6256
04:54:18,480 --> 04:54:21,680
why we can't work with UD do instead of

6257
04:54:21,680 --> 04:54:23,840
um trying to acquire that right away.

6258
04:54:23,840 --> 04:54:26,718
>> I guess if we could work with them the

6259
04:54:26,718 --> 04:54:28,798
speed would be reduced. So it hasn't.

6260
04:54:28,798 --> 04:54:31,040
So, it makes me think we can't get it

6261
04:54:31,040 --> 04:54:33,120
reduced because I can't imagine that we

6262
04:54:33,120 --> 04:54:35,200
wouldn't want people to slow down as

6263
04:54:35,200 --> 04:54:35,760
they're coming.

6264
04:54:35,760 --> 04:54:37,920
>> I think to Sarah's point, the lowhanging

6265
04:54:37,920 --> 04:54:39,760
fruit would be you if you look at the

6266
04:54:39,760 --> 04:54:42,400
implementation matrix, there's a couple

6267
04:54:42,400 --> 04:54:44,480
of things, not a ton, but a couple of

6268
04:54:44,480 --> 04:54:46,160
things we'd work with them on.

6269
04:54:46,160 --> 04:54:49,520
>> If we if it proves that they are not

6270
04:54:49,520 --> 04:54:51,360
agreeable to many of the things we'd

6271
04:54:51,360 --> 04:54:53,600
like to propose, we could consider that.

6272
04:54:53,600 --> 04:54:55,280
But I think the lowhanging fruit is try

6273
04:54:55,280 --> 04:54:58,400
to implement the changes that that we

6274
04:54:58,400 --> 04:55:00,560
can why they with why would they retain

6275
04:55:00,560 --> 04:55:01,360
ownership.

6276
04:55:01,360 --> 04:55:02,560
>> That's fine to go.

6277
04:55:02,560 --> 04:55:04,000
>> Yeah, it's I just wanted to call

6278
04:55:04,000 --> 04:55:05,600
attention to slowing down.

6279
04:55:05,600 --> 04:55:06,958
>> Right to your question,

6280
04:55:06,958 --> 04:55:08,958
>> you guys. It's 11 o'clock.

6281
04:55:08,958 --> 04:55:10,400
>> I was just going to answer a question.

6282
04:55:10,400 --> 04:55:12,958
>> We'll entertain a motion to adjourn.

6283
04:55:12,958 --> 04:55:14,320
>> Could I just answer a question and then

6284
04:55:14,320 --> 04:55:15,040
I'll make the motion.

6285
04:55:15,040 --> 04:55:16,000
>> You can ask after.

6286
04:55:16,000 --> 04:55:17,440
>> I think sometime we have two minutes

6287
04:55:17,440 --> 04:55:19,520
left. I think we if we if we miss from

6288
04:55:19,520 --> 04:55:21,520
Shane's staff report

6289
04:55:21,520 --> 04:55:23,680
>> everything I have I can email.

6290
04:55:23,680 --> 04:55:26,000
>> So it's that's but this digital clock

6291
04:55:26,000 --> 04:55:27,040
says 11:00.

6292
04:55:27,040 --> 04:55:28,480
>> I see your point.

6293
04:55:28,480 --> 04:55:30,798
>> But just the answer was the U do we had

6294
04:55:30,798 --> 04:55:32,480
a wonderful meeting and I don't know if

6295
04:55:32,480 --> 04:55:34,240
anyone else talked to them but they said

6296
04:55:34,240 --> 04:55:35,840
they were going to get back to us with a

6297
04:55:35,840 --> 04:55:38,958
crash study and a ticket or speeding

6298
04:55:38,958 --> 04:55:40,638
study. So I've responded to them quite a

6299
04:55:40,638 --> 04:55:41,680
few times and then they kind of just

6300
04:55:41,680 --> 04:55:47,440
ghosted me. Um and so uh but they seemed

6301
04:55:47,440 --> 04:55:52,000
at the beginning. Um, but yeah, just I

6302
04:55:52,000 --> 04:55:53,280
think it's valid that she brings it up

6303
04:55:53,280 --> 04:55:55,120
because it is by far most dangerous and

6304
04:55:55,120 --> 04:55:57,360
our worst road in all of Alpine.

6305
04:55:57,360 --> 04:55:58,798
>> Just to I'm going to make the motion

6306
04:55:58,798 --> 04:56:00,798
that we in the meeting, but just I love

6307
04:56:00,798 --> 04:56:04,240
how the um they prioritize for us to

6308
04:56:04,240 --> 04:56:05,600
help because there's a thousand things

6309
04:56:05,600 --> 04:56:08,160
on the table to to help us identify

6310
04:56:08,160 --> 04:56:09,760
maybe we could just do three or four in

6311
04:56:09,760 --> 04:56:12,638
a year and then keep going, but we can't

6312
04:56:12,638 --> 04:56:14,718
do it all at once. Okay. And that's

6313
04:56:14,718 --> 04:56:16,718
going to be one of the takeaways of our

6314
04:56:16,718 --> 04:56:18,320
committees is to prioritize. So I'm

6315
04:56:18,320 --> 04:56:19,920
moving that we close the meeting or we

6316
04:56:19,920 --> 04:56:22,718
end our meeting at 11 o'clock.

6317
04:56:22,718 --> 04:56:23,760
>> Okay. Is there a second?

6318
04:56:23,760 --> 04:56:25,680
>> Second. Okay. All in favor?

6319
04:56:25,680 --> 04:56:26,560
>> I wait.

6320
04:56:26,560 --> 04:56:28,320
>> Any opposed?

6321
04:56:28,320 --> 04:56:29,200
>> Okay. I

6322
04:56:29,200 --> 04:56:30,240
>> adjourned.

6323
04:56:30,240 --> 04:56:32,000
>> Uh Chrissy, you didn't want to do the

6324
04:56:32,000 --> 04:56:33,840
communications really quick just to give

6325
04:56:33,840 --> 04:56:36,000
updates.

6326
04:56:36,000 --> 04:56:39,270
>> Okay. All right.

6327
04:56:39,280 --> 04:56:39,920
I think that's

6328
04:56:39,920 --> 04:56:40,798
>> fourth thing on my list

6329
04:56:40,798 --> 04:56:42,480
>> because there's nothing to do main

6330
04:56:42,480 --> 04:56:44,480
street so we can get going on just while

6331
04:56:44,480 --> 04:56:46,638
you're