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All right, we'll go ahead and call to

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order the Alpine City Council meeting

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for July 28th, 2026. We'd like to excuse

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Mayor Carla Merrill and Council Member

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Schmooan who are both out of town and

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not able to attend tonight uh remotely.

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We'll go ahead and start with a roll

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call vote starting with um Andrew Young.

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>> Andrew Young present.

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>> Brent Rummler present.

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>> Sarah Blackwell present.

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>> Thank you. Chrissy Haniman, just let me

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know. She's going to be a few minutes

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late, but she should be here shortly.

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Um, I've asked Andrew Young to fill in

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and and say the prayer, and then I will

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lead us in the pledge of allegiance.

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[clears throat]

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Our heavenly father, we're grateful to

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be here as a community and blessed

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Alpine residents. We're grateful for all

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of the opportunities and uh blessings we

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have to live here, to interact with one

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another. We pray with all of our hearts

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that uh on the issues today and also

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coming up that that would please uh

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bless us and those involved. Bless their

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hearts to be softened. bless their uh

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bless an outcome that will truly be what

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our goal is

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or what we hope thy goal is is to make

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uh this and Utah in our small city a

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place that is uh peaceful a place where

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thy spirit can be and a place that is uh

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safe and we say this humbly with

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gratitude in the name of Jesus Christ.

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Amen. Please rise for the pledge of

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allegiance.

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» Ice

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to the flag of the United States of

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America and to the republic for which it

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stands. One nation under God,

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indivisible with liberty and justice for

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all.

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» Hi. Thank you very much for being here

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tonight. It's always nice to have people

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come and and participate in our in our

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civil process. We're going to go ahead

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and move on to the consent calendar. It

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was recommended by the city attorney

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that we consider moving action item A to

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the consent calendar. Um

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>> um I I'll make a motion to that we move

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action item A to the consent calendar. I

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don't think it matters where, right? Um

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maybe item D as item D.

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» Uh do we have a second? I'll second

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that. All right, let's go ahead and

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proceed with a roll call vote starting

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with Andrew. Andrew Young, yes. Brent

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Ramard, yes.

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>> Sir Blackwell, yes.

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>> Thank you. The motion passes. Um, do we

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have any questions about the consent

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calendar or any comments from staff

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about the consent calendar?

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>> Go ahead, Andrew, you want to start or

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>> Yeah. Yeah. Very quickly and brief. Uh,

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Sarah, did you want to talk about that

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only because it was going to be a little

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bit later and I did get the emails. Um,

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did you want to explain kind of the

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clarification or or Shane, I know you

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guys were looking for some clarification

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on the motion. Did it get resolved? Did

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>> Are you okay? Is everyone okay? Because

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I didn't know that it got resolved.

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>> um just when I um the motion was made um

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some parentheses were omitted and which

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made a big difference in how the the

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motion read so it was a little confusing

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so we just clarified the motion

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essentially so that we're all have

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consensus are all on the same page what

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the intent was.

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>> Thank you. Anything else?

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>> That was great. No on the other two

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items or do you want to wait for those?

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quick. Um the uh the uh the chip and

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seal and sil coat looks beautiful.

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the numbers. I wasn't sure where the

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extra 10 grand came from that was added.

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creek uh Deer Creek. Is that where it

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was added? Uh so I just had a couple

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is where that came from.

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uh it's it's about 50 grand for the uh

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for the three falls road that no one

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was the entrance roads. There were like

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two paths. Um I don't know just if you

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want us to research ways we can handle

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that because no one really drives on it.

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was just expensive road. That's exactly why we're doing it. I

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don't know if you remember Iligia

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Estates. There was asphalt up there.

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>> And it actually deteriorated worse than a street that

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gets driven on.

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"Oh my gosh." So, when we we

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[clears throat] don't do this on roads

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we don't drive on, they actually become

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worse off. So, anyway, it's just

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expensive for a road that never gets

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main question was if we find a way to

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preserve these roads that don't actually

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need drive them driving on them, some

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glue, some anything. Just keep your uh

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you know, engineering antennas open for

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potentially a fix for roads that never

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get on. uh if we don't seal them, they

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a seal coat. It's not an overlay. It's the cheapest it's the cheapest

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alternative to protect it from the as

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was that was it. Just just just looking

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at them. Um thanks. They look so great.

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water truck, nice find. I I did some

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comparative numbers. That was really

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good. Thanks for getting a used one.

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for finding that. I think that'll help

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this all up this morning, but our water

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meeting and things that got in the way.

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>> I'll go ahead and entertain a motion.

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>> I move that we approve the consent

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calendar.

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>> Okay. We'll go ahead and proceed with a

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>> Andrew Young, yes.

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>> Brent Rmler, yes.

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clarification. We'll move on to public

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comments. Um we receive I have two cards

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I received. Um, one, um, is related to

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an item that's on the agenda for tonight

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and under Alpine City policy, um, that's

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explained in prior meetings, including

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about this issue, is we we will not be

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doing any comments related to items that

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because there's not a public hearing

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related to that.

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Larry. Larry, if you would go ahead and

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come forward. It's Van

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I know your email is just Van.

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>> Yeah, Van Vector.

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>> Van Vector. Thanks, Larry. And we've

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spoken before.

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>> So Larry, just let you know, um, if you

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could state your name and the street

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where you live. Okay.

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appreciate you being here.

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>> and I did send over a a slide in an

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Larry Van Becker over on Alagany Court

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and I'm here to remind you guys that

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we're still hoping that we can get some

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adjustment to the speed on Canyon Crest.

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I'm here to represent or not represent

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but to at least in regards to the

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neighborhoods along Canyon Crest. And

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not too long ago, somebody did the

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disservice of renaming Westfield and

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Canyon Crest as arteries when they're

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actually not. They're just other humble

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streets in Alpine just like yours and

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with families and friends living on

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them. Actually, no wider than Alpine

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Boulevard.

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reasons, pros and cons of why a 35 mph

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speed would be better than 25. And the

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only thing I could come up with was that

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you can get somewhere extremely

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important one minute sooner.

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>> Kaden, it's 25. PDF the first one.

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>> And the cons are it's much more

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difficult to pull out of a street or a

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driveway into traffic going 35 than it

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is traffic going 25. It's much more

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difficult attempting to use a crosswalk

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in traffic going 35 as opposed to 25.

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inadequately marked.

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There is more rumble in the ground and

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noise in the air when vehicles are going

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35 as opposed to 25.

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drivers in the 25 zone keep it to 30.

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hazardous than when they are going 25.

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And with not a whole lot of benefit that

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I can come up with, I would hope that

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you guys might consider lowering the

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speed on Canest and Westfield so that we

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could enjoy the same peaceful quality of

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life that others in the neighborhood

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enjoy. And as you can see in the

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picture, the first picture there about

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the 35 zone, but people are doing 47 up

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that hill. And in the second picture

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is Another view with a new sign.

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Enjoy the tranquility of Alpine.

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>> Right, Sarah?

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>> All right. Thanks for your time.

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>> Thank you very much. Appreciate your

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comments. [clears throat]

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I would like to acknowledge that council

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member Hanaman has arrived.

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Thank you.

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All right. Um, we'll go on to reports

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and presentations. The first report is

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the parks master plan update. Shane, do

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you have any introduction?

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>> Yeah, so we've been working on this for

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several months. Uh Lisa Benson's here um

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from the the consulting group that's uh

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working on this project and they've her

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and Karen have done an awesome job. We

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meet uh it weekly or every other week. I

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hit all kinds of runs together now. I

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just have meetings all the time, but we

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meet regularly and go over things. Um,

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we [clears throat] wanted to uh have a

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presentation and let the council kind of

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see the results of the survey and some

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of the things that they've done and then

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we need some direction on a few things

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to to keep this moving forward. So, I

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think Lisa has a presentation that

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she'll give us here tonight.

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» All right. Um, thank you for the

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opportunity to be here. We're really

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excited to be at this part of the

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project. Um I just wanted to hit a few

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highlights. Um we have been working with

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a steering committee as well in addition

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to working with staff and then we had

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our community survey and our public

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event here at city hall which um had a

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really really good turnout. So we're

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excited to kind of give you some of the

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findings before we move into our draft

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plan phase and just get your thoughts on

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a few items as Shane mentioned. Um, so

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we had 362 responses to the survey,

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which is actually pretty high for just

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an open-ended survey that anybody could

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um, participate in. Um, and you can see

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that park use is really high in your

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community. This is a lot higher than we

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see in most of our communities. We're

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really excited to see this level of of

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participation with the community and not

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too surprising that Creekide and Lambert

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are the most popular parks.

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Um, the most popular reasons that people

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use that park, their mostused park, is

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because it's close to home or for the

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trails.

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And you can see again, just following up

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on proximity to home, over 82% um

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believe that it's extremely or very

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important to have parks close to home.

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And then um the

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Sorry, it's so tiny. Um, so when we're

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talking about improvements to parks that

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people want to see, trails and pathways

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are the most popular. Um, followed by

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playground equipment and then it kind of

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tapers off from there.

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And then when we look at um what people

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are going to outside of the community um

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trails, playgrounds, swimming pools,

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open space, obviously you have

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connection to a lot of that in your

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community. And then athletic courts

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and people also use trails um at a

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significantly high rate in your

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community with over 72% using them, you

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know, a few times a month or more.

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And um there's just a small only four

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people that took the survey don't use

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trails and you can see there's just a

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variety of reasons you know physical

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ability or lack of information um not

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interested or they use the sidewalks as

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well and don't necessarily need trails.

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Um when we look at improvements to the

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park or to the trail system, people want

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to see the trails more complete or

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connected. Um they want to see increased

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mileage. They want to link neighborhoods

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to your trail system. And then also just

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a little better signage, trail markers,

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that sort of thing, helping people with

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wayfinding when they're on the system.

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The most popular trails that people want

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to see more of are those natural surface

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um hiking and biking trails. They're pretty content with what you

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have as far as asphalt and concrete

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trails right now.

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Community events, not too surprising

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that Alpine Days is the most popular. Um

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followed by the summer poppy fields. uh

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trucks and tunes and the rodeo.

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And when we asked what activities people

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want to see in the future, you can see

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here that outdoor concerts and

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performances was number one. Um and that

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was followed by outdoor markets or

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vendor fairs and then movie nights,

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rounding out the top three.

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And then when we we asked um we gave

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people a hypothetical $100 and asked

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them to prioritize that funding. And you

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can see that upgrading existing parks

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and playgrounds kind of topped both the

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allocation and the percentage of people

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that were dedicating their money towards

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that um item. Also popular were

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additional trails and additional open

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space. So we're seeing a lot of

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alignment between these different survey

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responses which is good.

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Um, and then we asked about um increased

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um taxes people would be willing to pay

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for both existing parks, upgrading

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those, maintaining those, or adding new

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parks. And you can see there's a pretty

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close divide here. There's not a big big

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direction either way. Um, you can see 48

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to $49 average. And it's a pretty even

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split slightly leaning towards upgrading

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those existing parks.

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And then we just um capture a little bit of demographic information to

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make sure we're on par, you know, that

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it's representative of the city. This

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isn't a statistically valid survey

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because it was open-ended. It didn't go

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out randomly, but just to give you kind

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of a sense of where we're at. I do think

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the interesting point on here is that um

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about almost 40% of respondents don't

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have children in their households. And

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of those um that do have children in

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their households, um the greatest

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portion is there in that older age

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bracket for the survey.

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And then just touching on some of the

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highlights from the openhouse that we

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had here at city hall. Oh, and the

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website, I forgot. So, we do have the

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website going on, alpine parkspl.org,

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and we've had over a thousand page views

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and a pretty decent number of unique

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visitors on that. A few comments coming

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in on that.

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And then up at the openhouse, um, we

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asked about the condition of of of the

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parks and trails, people's perceptions,

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and you can see pretty good ratings,

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excellent or good. um are the greatest

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portion. And then people get to your

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parks through um walking or biking,

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which is this is a higher percentage

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than we see in most communities, which

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is kind of significant.

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Um and then we asked um which special

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amenities or special use parks should

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con the city consider uh constructing

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and you can see [clears throat] trails

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again right there. Number one, a bicycle

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pump track and then um kind of lower

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down was the disc golf climbing park or

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all abilities playground.

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And also looking at um again we wanted

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to ask how close how important it is it

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to have those parks close to home. Again

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over 83% saying that's important. And

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then just generally um an open-ended

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question about what is missing from the

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parks and trails system. And you can see

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again um people want to see playground

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updates and new equipment. Um again more

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trails and trail connections. And then a

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few wanting some soccer fields, disc

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golf, and some of those other special

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use facilities.

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And again, we asked the $100 question,

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and this time we let people vote with

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pom poms. Each pom pom was $10 and

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trails received the highest portion of

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the vote. Uh followed by natural open

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space, upgrading those existing

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amenities, and then adding athletic

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fields and courts.

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So, does anybody have any questions on

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those high level survey results before

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we

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>> Okay,

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>> just one on the uh pro the prop the the

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if you would add the $48 Oh, pardon me.

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If you would add the 48 and $47 for the

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uh development of new parks, the

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allocation was that question per year or

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per month?

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>> That was per year. So you just kind of

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asked them how much would you be willing

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to spend

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>> per year additional property parks and

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that was kind of where they landed.

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>> Yeah, that was kind of the average.

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>> Yeah.

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>> What options were they given?

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>> I think it was a scale of 0 to 100.

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>> So

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okay so we wanted to touch on um some of

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the findings from our existing

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conditions analysis.

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uh we we take a look at your

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demographics just to see where you're

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at, where you're expected to go, and

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this helps us determine where what your

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park needs are going to be in the

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future. So, right now, you're sitting at

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a little over 10,500 residents, and by

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2050, you're only expected to get a

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little over 11,000. So, not not the

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amount of growth that we're seeing in

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other communities. Um, but we know you

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still have plenty to deal with. So,

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a lot of lot of interests and needs to

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meet. So uh we also take a look at your

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age distribution and you can see that um

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when we look at the lower end of the age

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groups um the 10 to 14 age group of

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children is kind of your largest age

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group. Um and then you can see that the

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55 to 85 age group has also increased

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since 2000. So it's kind of interesting

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to watch some of these trends you know

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both ends of of the the spectrum on age

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and those differing needs.

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>> If you go back to that slide that was

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one of the most fascinating slides I had

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seen. If you look on the blue line,

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that's what we were in 2000. This took a

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little bit for me to understand. I don't

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know if you all understand it well. The

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blue line is what our population was in

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that age bracket in 2010. And then as

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you see, it's going down towards the red

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towards where we are now. But it's

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rising towards the 70 74 year olds, 60

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to 69 uh dramatically lowering in the 10

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to well not dramatic, but lowering in

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the 10 to 14, 15 to 19. Quite a jump

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down. Do you see this in other cities?

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Is this a common thing or are we kind of

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an outlier?

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>> Um, it depends on the community. We're

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starting to see some shifts towards

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older older age groups, but you can also

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see that um that youngest underage vibe

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is slowly creeping up too. So, there's

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all these subtle trends going on.

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>> That's true. Look at the five to nine

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year olds who are having some kids. Go

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ahead. And it seems to be

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>> I contributed to that this last year in

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the [laughter]

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» seems to be as as property values in

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property costs increase that places

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further away where it's more affordable.

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That's where the younger families lived.

541
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>> Yeah.

542
00:20:17,360 --> 00:20:18,960
>> Okay. So, we take a look at your your

543
00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:20,880
park system and then we divide that by

544
00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:22,960
park type. And this helps us run a

545
00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:24,640
couple of assessments. So, we take all

546
00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,880
of your um community, neighborhood, and

547
00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,039
local park types. We add that acreage up

548
00:20:29,039 --> 00:20:30,960
and we run a level of service analysis

549
00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,120
on that. And that's just a ratio of park

550
00:20:33,120 --> 00:20:35,679
acres per thousand residents. So, you

551
00:20:35,679 --> 00:20:37,200
have all these other amenities. you have

552
00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,120
the cemetery rodeo grounds and a lot of

553
00:20:39,120 --> 00:20:41,200
open space, but that doesn't necessarily

554
00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:42,880
fit into the traditional park category.

555
00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:44,559
And we kind of focus on those because

556
00:20:44,559 --> 00:20:46,960
that helps us compare um to other

557
00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:48,720
communities and just be a little more

558
00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,320
consistent with our analysis.

559
00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,640
And so right now um your existing park

560
00:20:54,640 --> 00:21:00,000
acres um are at 77.1 and divided by your

561
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,679
current population times a thousand that

562
00:21:01,679 --> 00:21:04,400
puts you at 7.3 park acres per thousand

563
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,320
residents.

564
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,559
And people always want to know how do we

565
00:21:08,559 --> 00:21:10,640
compare and you guys are sitting really

566
00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,640
high compared to other communities in

567
00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:13,840
the region. This is one of the highest

568
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,480
that that I've seen in my work in parks.

569
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,799
Um so you're doing really well for a

570
00:21:18,799 --> 00:21:21,440
small community.

571
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,919
Um and then when we look out into the

572
00:21:23,919 --> 00:21:25,919
future, if you don't develop any

573
00:21:25,919 --> 00:21:29,520
additional parkland, by 2035, your LOS

574
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,159
will drop to 7.2, which is still great.

575
00:21:32,159 --> 00:21:34,640
And by 2050, it'll still be at 6.8. So

576
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,120
you'll you would still be kind of at the

577
00:21:37,120 --> 00:21:41,360
top range of that. Um and the imp

578
00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:44,320
implications for future park acreage. Um

579
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,120
so if we maintained that 7.3 park acres

580
00:21:47,120 --> 00:21:49,360
per thousand people moving forward uh by

581
00:21:49,360 --> 00:21:51,200
2035 you would need one and a half

582
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,520
additional acres of parkland. And then

583
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,919
by 2050 you would need five additional

584
00:21:55,919 --> 00:21:58,480
acres on top of that. So this is a lot

585
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,159
smaller than we see in other communities

586
00:22:00,159 --> 00:22:01,919
too. And it's really been fun to see how

587
00:22:01,919 --> 00:22:05,760
unique Alpine is with a lot of these characteristics and figuring out

588
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,760
how we're going to move forward for such

589
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,159
a unique community.

590
00:22:10,159 --> 00:22:11,200
And I think that's one of the things

591
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:12,720
that we want to get input on from

592
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,799
council tonight is where you feel

593
00:22:14,799 --> 00:22:17,520
comfortable moving forward in the future

594
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,720
because we can set that um LOS wherever

595
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,720
we want to. You can be some communities

596
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,640
want to be aspirational and you know set

597
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,080
it really high like St. George, they

598
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:27,200
just target because they want to be

599
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:28,960
recreation destination. And we heard

600
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:30,720
from the community, that's not what we

601
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,960
want. We want just our, you know, quiet,

602
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,679
enjoyable community. Um, and your LOS is

603
00:22:35,679 --> 00:22:38,000
so high right now that it's okay if we

604
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,600
set a lower number and you would still

605
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,559
be serving your residents well. So, um,

606
00:22:42,559 --> 00:22:43,840
Shane wanted to make sure we brought

607
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,000
that for you tonight before you so that

608
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:47,679
we can kind of get your guidance on

609
00:22:47,679 --> 00:22:49,840
that. Um, and then I can just talk about

610
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,159
distribution real quick and then we can

611
00:22:52,159 --> 00:22:54,080
follow up on that. Uh, so we just map

612
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,400
your existing parks and open space,

613
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:57,840
making sure we had updated information

614
00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,720
on where all that is. And then we do a

615
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,880
um distancebased

616
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,559
kind of a walk time analysis and a

617
00:23:04,559 --> 00:23:06,720
distance space analysis to see where

618
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,640
residential areas fall in relationship

619
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,960
to parks. And you can see here that

620
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:12,960
purple indicates the 10-minute walk

621
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,360
shed. Um, the darker yellow is existing

622
00:23:15,360 --> 00:23:17,200
residential and the lighter yellow is

623
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,520
potential future residential. So that

624
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,440
shows that your core is really well

625
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,960
served within a 10-minute walk.

626
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:26,480
And then if we do a distancebased

627
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,120
service area, this is where we assign a

628
00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:30,320
different radius to different park

629
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:31,600
types. And that's kind of assigned based

630
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:32,960
on the number of amenities and the

631
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,280
quality of amenities, park size. So

632
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,440
people are more willing to drive to a

633
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,200
community park because it's larger. It

634
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,200
has more amenities. So we give that a

635
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,760
onem service area. Uh neighborhood parks

636
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,679
receive a half mile service area and

637
00:23:45,679 --> 00:23:47,520
then local parks receive a quarter mile

638
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,280
service area. So, you can see it kind of

639
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,480
bumps out those service areas, you know,

640
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,880
residents that can access parks, not

641
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:56,559
necessarily within that 10-minute walk

642
00:23:56,559 --> 00:24:03,510
time, but within the drive time.

643
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,240
So, that's kind of the quick and version

644
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,080
of what we're finding so far and and

645
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:09,440
what we'll be addressing as we move

646
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,080
forward.

647
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,080
>> Yeah. So, we were pretty happy to see

648
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:18,640
the the ratio of, you know, parks, acres

649
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,200
of parks to our residents that we have

650
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,520
here. Um, but that is something that we

651
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,320
need some direction on. Um, you know, if

652
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,840
we if we're okay to go down to 6.8 and

653
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,360
what was it, 2050, Lisa? Um, that's

654
00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:40,480
something we need to know if because if 7.2 two is our level of service that

655
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,679
we want to maintain, then we'll need to

656
00:24:43,679 --> 00:24:46,880
build money into the impact fees and and

657
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,240
the plan to acquire property.

658
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,799
Um, and so it changes things quite a

659
00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:55,120
bit. So that's that's why we need

660
00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:58,400
direction on that.

661
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,799
>> Um, you kind of partner that too with

662
00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:02,480
when you do acquire parkland, you want

663
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,640
to also try to acquire it in those gap

664
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,120
areas if you do need additional park. So

665
00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:09,600
that's another factor you can look at.

666
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,240
>> So one,

667
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:13,440
if you're okay, you want to just go

668
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,039
ahead and start. I'll just start with my

669
00:25:15,039 --> 00:25:16,480
initial impressions. Thank you so much.

670
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:17,679
That was very informative. I read it

671
00:25:17,679 --> 00:25:18,960
beforehand, but it helps to have you

672
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:24,159
explain it and and go through it with us as well. Um it's very glad to

673
00:25:24,159 --> 00:25:26,159
see also that we're on the high end of

674
00:25:26,159 --> 00:25:32,159
the park acreage per per resident. uh

675
00:25:32,159 --> 00:25:33,440
and you don't you don't even count

676
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,080
Lambert Park and you saw how important

677
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,720
the trails use was to our alpine

678
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,679
residents and so when you consider our

679
00:25:41,679 --> 00:25:44,720
open space parks and including Beexil

680
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,640
Park to the south, Lambert Park, Three

681
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:50,159
Falls Park open space I should say, um

682
00:25:50,159 --> 00:25:52,799
there's a lot more public amenities for

683
00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:55,200
what Alpine residents are looking for.

684
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,840
Another consideration is the cost of

685
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,559
real estate in Alpine and that would be

686
00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:02,400
definitely a consideration. I I hesitate

687
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,080
to make decisions for 2050. That's a

688
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,480
long I I probably won't be around in

689
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:07,600
2050.

690
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,919
>> Hopefully I will be still, but not not

691
00:26:09,919 --> 00:26:11,679
on the city council. That's guaranteed

692
00:26:11,679 --> 00:26:14,960
still. Um,

693
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,600
but for me it seems like at least in the

694
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,440
near future, the b the bang for the buck

695
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,400
is to improve our parks, especially some

696
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,320
areas that have been identified as as

697
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,559
having needs like the Creek Side Park

698
00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:28,799
playground and some improvements to a

699
00:26:28,799 --> 00:26:30,960
few other regional parks. The other

700
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,000
question I have for our staff is as some

701
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,360
of these we saw on the slide the

702
00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:37,360
undeveloped property potential developed

703
00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:39,679
property in the future. What is the

704
00:26:39,679 --> 00:26:41,760
possibility of doing planned residential

705
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,080
developments and having rather than just

706
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,279
trails or open space, having land owners

707
00:26:47,279 --> 00:26:50,320
designate areas for for regional parks

708
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,640
or local parks so we can meet some of

709
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,600
those needs in the more faroff parts of

710
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,640
our community um in exchange for higher

711
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,480
density in those areas. I was just in

712
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,159
Cedar Hills today driving down a street

713
00:27:02,159 --> 00:27:03,360
I don't normally drive down because they

714
00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:05,120
had a road closure and there was this

715
00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:07,520
beautiful little local park that I'd

716
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,600
never seen before that would serve those

717
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,559
local residents like these could.

718
00:27:12,559 --> 00:27:15,600
>> Yeah. So, one thing, one thing to just

719
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,360
consider, at least in our experience

720
00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:19,600
with these local parks, we call them

721
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:24,720
pocket parks a lot, um, is they're quite

722
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,039
a bit more expensive to maintain because

723
00:27:27,039 --> 00:27:29,120
they're so small and they just take, you

724
00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:31,120
know, the time to unload equipment to

725
00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:34,240
mow a half acre, an acre, whatever.

726
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,000
That's just something to consider. And I

727
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,240
think a lot of them

728
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,559
aren't used very heavily, even by the

729
00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:43,520
local residents. Um, I I think of the

730
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,360
Silverleaf Park that's kind of in the

731
00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:49,200
middle of that Ponderosa Maple Ridge

732
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,919
Drive area. I don't know if I've ever

733
00:27:51,919 --> 00:27:53,440
seen anyone out there. And I'm, you

734
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,200
know, obviously I'm not out there every

735
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:59,440
day, but that's even a larger parcel.

736
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,640
Um, but we we mow it twice a week. We

737
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,480
fix sprinklers and everything. And it

738
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,600
just I don't think it sees the use. And

739
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,360
granted, there's not like a nice

740
00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:11,360
playground there or a pavilion or

741
00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:13,919
anything. There's no parking except on

742
00:28:13,919 --> 00:28:16,080
the street. But I think those are things

743
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:17,919
that

744
00:28:17,919 --> 00:28:21,520
should be considered um when looking at

745
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,840
these. Uh another example that's kind of

746
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,760
on the other end that has amenities is

747
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,919
Annie Park. It's the newest one we have

748
00:28:27,919 --> 00:28:30,880
in the city. It's got a parking lot. It

749
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,600
has a restroom. It has a playground.

750
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,279
I'm not sure it gets used very much

751
00:28:35,279 --> 00:28:37,600
either. And maybe it needs more time to

752
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,120
be discovered. It's probably

753
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:40,159
>> What was that one called in?

754
00:28:40,159 --> 00:28:41,279
>> It's called Annie Park.

755
00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:42,480
>> Annie Park. Where's that at?

756
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,080
>> It's up in the Rigid Alpine.

757
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:44,559
>> Oh, okay.

758
00:28:44,559 --> 00:28:47,520
>> It's kind of at the end of a culde-sac.

759
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,840
Um, but it it also serves as a detention

760
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:56,480
basin. Um, but it's a nice little park

761
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,640
and I'm I'm not sure how much it gets

762
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,360
used, but you know, compared to Burgess

763
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,520
and all the people and Creekide that you

764
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,840
see walking the asphalt trails and all

765
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,240
those things, but just something to

766
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,360
consider um when making those decisions.

767
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,520
>> So, the other thing is even if we don't

768
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,200
acquire any more land or create any more

769
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,240
parks, we're still going to be head and

770
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,000
shoulders above most communities in the

771
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:20,720
area.

772
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,120
>> Yeah. So my I think my preference at

773
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,679
least for the next several years would

774
00:29:25,679 --> 00:29:28,480
be to work towards making those

775
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:29,919
improvements that we've talked about

776
00:29:29,919 --> 00:29:32,720
with Creekide Peterson Park in

777
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,679
conjunction with conjunction with the uh

778
00:29:35,679 --> 00:29:36,960
Canyon Crest improvements that are

779
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,070
upcoming.

780
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,320
» Yes, I I agree with that. I think top

781
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:43,919
priority would just be to maintain the

782
00:29:43,919 --> 00:29:46,080
ones that we have and upgrade them. And

783
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:47,679
that was another question. Is that

784
00:29:47,679 --> 00:29:50,159
something that was is within the scope

785
00:29:50,159 --> 00:29:52,559
of what you plan to do is kind of

786
00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:55,679
recommend upgrades for various parks or

787
00:29:55,679 --> 00:29:57,919
is this just a preliminary kind of

788
00:29:57,919 --> 00:30:00,480
giving us some of the resident feedback

789
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,880
data? So this is a high level look

790
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,600
systemwide but we are going because it's

791
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,279
such a unique plan and a unique

792
00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:09,520
community we are going park by perk and

793
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,600
providing a list of recommendations and

794
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,039
some of these the next step is going to

795
00:30:13,039 --> 00:30:15,600
be to develop a master plan because we

796
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,200
could say you should do this and this but that may not necessarily be

797
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,039
what the community wants to see like you

798
00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:22,799
know of those special amenities what

799
00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:24,559
really makes sense for location within

800
00:30:24,559 --> 00:30:26,720
the community and you know that isn't

801
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,240
the role of this plan to do that is to

802
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:29,840
say what the community wants what you

803
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,000
need um and kind of give you a sense

804
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,600
what the community is interested in. But

805
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,039
we we definitely want to see that

806
00:30:35,039 --> 00:30:36,880
community process happen when we design

807
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,240
those parks out.

808
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:39,840
>> No, I love that. I love getting the

809
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,919
community input. I came to that night

810
00:30:41,919 --> 00:30:44,000
did the little pom poms. It was great.

811
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,880
Um I think if if there is an OP so that

812
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:48,399
would be my top priority is maintaining

813
00:30:48,399 --> 00:30:50,880
the current parks that we have and then

814
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,679
perhaps if if for some reason land

815
00:30:53,679 --> 00:30:55,520
adjacent to a current park like I don't

816
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,039
know Peterson Park or something like

817
00:30:57,039 --> 00:30:58,720
that becomes available, you know, that

818
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,880
might be something to consider. But, um,

819
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,600
as far as like acquiring land for new

820
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,919
parks, unless it's part of a PRD, I I

821
00:31:05,919 --> 00:31:08,399
don't I don't know. I mean, a level of

822
00:31:08,399 --> 00:31:12,399
service, I mean, we're pretty high. So,

823
00:31:12,399 --> 00:31:15,120
I mean, even within 50 years, we'd be

824
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,080
around six, I think, is what I saw. And

825
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:19,679
that's still pretty high compared to

826
00:31:19,679 --> 00:31:23,440
other cities. So, I would prefer to just

827
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,159
spend the funds keeping um taking care

828
00:31:26,159 --> 00:31:28,559
of what we currently have.

829
00:31:28,559 --> 00:31:30,159
Um and then I just had one other

830
00:31:30,159 --> 00:31:31,600
question like how do you determine what

831
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,440
is considered a community, neighborhood

832
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,840
or local park? Like what are the

833
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,679
definitions of each of those? How do you

834
00:31:37,679 --> 00:31:38,720
classify those?

835
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,559
>> Yeah, so typically a community park is

836
00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:44,080
10 to 30 acres. Um and so we kind of

837
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:45,440
take look at it through the lens of

838
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:46,880
acreage to start with and also

839
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,960
amenities. you know, park may have may

840
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,399
meet it acreage wise, but if there's

841
00:31:50,399 --> 00:31:52,080
nothing there, then, you know, we can

842
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:53,519
make the determination say, well, this

843
00:31:53,519 --> 00:31:55,519
is a a neighborhood park, but you really

844
00:31:55,519 --> 00:31:57,519
need to add some amenities to help it

845
00:31:57,519 --> 00:31:59,440
qualify as that. You know, like Beexil

846
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,919
Park, you know, we're looking at some

847
00:32:01,919 --> 00:32:04,159
upgrades there, but not necessarily, you

848
00:32:04,159 --> 00:32:05,840
know, changing categories or something

849
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,360
like that. You know, you want to make

850
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,200
the make recommendations that are kind

851
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,919
of intentional for that area. Okay.

852
00:32:11,919 --> 00:32:14,640
Thank you. Um,

853
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,149
and

854
00:32:18,159 --> 00:32:19,440
I'm trying to think if I had any other

855
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,000
questions. Oh, um it seemed like trails

856
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,279
was like a big um you got a lot of

857
00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:27,600
feedback about trails. So, when we're

858
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,840
talking about level of service and we're

859
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,519
talking about parks, I also think maybe

860
00:32:33,519 --> 00:32:36,159
we also need to talk about trails and

861
00:32:36,159 --> 00:32:38,080
maintaining those or maybe adding new

862
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,919
trails if we're talking about adding new

863
00:32:39,919 --> 00:32:41,360
parks. Do we just maintain the current

864
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:42,799
trails we have or are we looking at

865
00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:44,559
adding more trails? And I know we have a

866
00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:46,159
trail master plan that will kind of help

867
00:32:46,159 --> 00:32:47,760
guide us and dictate on that, but I

868
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,039
don't know if you have any other insight

869
00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:49,760
on that.

870
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,600
>> Yeah, in trails is a different animal.

871
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,200
We we don't I mean some communities will

872
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:54,640
look at it from a level of service

873
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,559
perspective, but I don't think that's

874
00:32:56,559 --> 00:32:57,840
really appropriate. I think it's more

875
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,039
about, you know, what are the community

876
00:32:59,039 --> 00:33:01,440
destinations? Where are the gaps? What,

877
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:02,399
you know, how do people want to get

878
00:33:02,399 --> 00:33:03,919
there? What's the best way to do that?

879
00:33:03,919 --> 00:33:05,279
And so, yeah, we're we're working with

880
00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:06,799
that trails master plan and with staff

881
00:33:06,799 --> 00:33:08,480
to make sure that there's a trail

882
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,519
concept in here. and um and we'll be

883
00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:15,039
showing that future network and um yeah

884
00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:16,720
and then just again addressing some of

885
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,120
those upgrades that residents want to

886
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,120
see. Thank you. Thanks for the

887
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:22,880
presentation. Yeah,

888
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,200
>> I did have a couple of questions. I uh I

889
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,080
appreciated all the visual because I'm

890
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,519
very visual so um it was easy to follow

891
00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:34,480
and I appreciate that. Um, so when just

892
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,039
to follow up from Sarah's question, so I

893
00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:39,200
think if I was doing my quick math, we

894
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:40,799
have like a thousand acres that were

895
00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:44,000
outside of the your definition to as a

896
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,320
level of service. So, how do you suggest

897
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,480
that we like incorporate that into some

898
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,399
measurable

899
00:33:50,399 --> 00:33:53,120
um level of service? Because it is

900
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,279
something that's like Sarah said, prized

901
00:33:55,279 --> 00:33:57,760
by our residents and like miles of

902
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,720
trails or like some unique way to

903
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,640
articulate what that looks and feels

904
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:07,200
like to our community to sort of um

905
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:11,119
to not under undervalue

906
00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:12,480
it in a way. Do you know what I'm

907
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,240
saying? because it's not in in our I am

908
00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:15,119
a numbers person.

909
00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:16,320
>> Yeah, there's not a number to it.

910
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,480
>> Yeah. So, how how would you suggest we

911
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:19,919
do that?

912
00:34:19,919 --> 00:34:22,480
>> So, we don't typically recommend a level

913
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,480
of service for open space just because

914
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,560
it's acquired on such an opportunistic

915
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,280
basis. Um, you know, it just you never

916
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,200
know when, where, you know, what the

917
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:32,480
opportunity is going to be to come. You

918
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,000
know, like Draper City, they had an

919
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,839
opportunity come up for I can't even

920
00:34:35,839 --> 00:34:37,200
remember how many, like a thousand acres

921
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:38,399
or something, and they just went after

922
00:34:38,399 --> 00:34:40,240
it, you know. So some of those

923
00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:41,760
opportunities arise when you know maybe

924
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,359
a development collapses or something

925
00:34:43,359 --> 00:34:44,800
like that. Um so

926
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,159
>> what about the trails on the open space?

927
00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:51,599
>> Um so trails again it's more about the

928
00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:54,560
connections and again you know I mean

929
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,800
developing all the soft and mountain

930
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,040
bike trails that can be you know a

931
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:00,640
trails committee that sort of thing that

932
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,160
gets into detail on that. Um but again

933
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,960
it's more um trails is just more about

934
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,640
either the destinations or when it comes

935
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,240
to mountain bike trails the experience

936
00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:12,160
you know or you know could we use

937
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:13,520
connect this part of the mountain to

938
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:14,640
that part of the mountain or working

939
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,599
with surrounding communities. So it's I

940
00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:20,160
don't think it really does the plan

941
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:21,599
justice or the community justice to

942
00:35:21,599 --> 00:35:23,599
assign a number to it. we will be

943
00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:25,520
calling out and acknowledging how many

944
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,920
acres there are and you know what the

945
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,599
amenities in those are and how important

946
00:35:29,599 --> 00:35:32,400
it is to the community emphasizing that

947
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,000
um and and making a recommendation on

948
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,520
the types of properties or types of

949
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,280
opportunities and we can even include

950
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:38,880
you know a list of tools that you can

951
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,800
use to help acquire those um but we we

952
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,720
try not to assign numbers to that um

953
00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:46,400
just because it's not typically how

954
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,079
they're acquired and if that makes

955
00:35:48,079 --> 00:35:48,480
sense.

956
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:49,440
>> I see. So

957
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:50,800
>> yeah.

958
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,320
>> So we like [clears throat] you know like

959
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,240
we you said we like to compare ourselves

960
00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:56,000
to other cities. So we can't there's not

961
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,400
really a measure in your industry that

962
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,200
is uniform that we could that people

963
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:02,960
>> we're we're so unique in the west

964
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,480
because like if you look at the National

965
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,400
Recreation and Parks Association they do

966
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,119
general um stats for communities of

967
00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:10,880
different sizes. Okay. And for a

968
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,880
community of your size, I think it it

969
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,960
was kind of astronomical the number of

970
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,440
park acres. But the back east, they

971
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,359
don't have access to the, you know,

972
00:36:19,359 --> 00:36:20,880
hundreds and thousands of acres that we

973
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,000
have adjacent to a lot of our

974
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,599
communities. So, we're just different

975
00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:24,240
out here.

976
00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:24,640
>> Okay.

977
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,560
>> And then when you think about parks

978
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,160
level of service, it does have

979
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,800
implications for, you know, your future,

980
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,240
what you need to acquire. And if you

981
00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:34,400
just lump a bunch of that open space in,

982
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,640
you're kind of artificially inflating

983
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,320
your park's level of service.

984
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:38,640
>> Okay.

985
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,560
>> Um, if that makes sense. Yeah. No, it

986
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,079
does. I just was curious um because we

987
00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:46,480
seem to be measuring only one thing and

988
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,720
yet our our residents value the other

989
00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:50,320
thing. So, I didn't know how to measure

990
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:51,200
it.

991
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:51,760
>> Um

992
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,119
>> I think we can definitely consider it

993
00:36:53,119 --> 00:36:53,760
though as

994
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,760
>> Yes. No, she said she was gonna Yeah.

995
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,000
You know, I like to be ranked at the

996
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,560
top. Just kidding. Okay. Not not just

997
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,095
kidding. Okay. Um, the other

998
00:37:03,095 --> 00:37:03,839
[clears throat] thing I was going to

999
00:37:03,839 --> 00:37:06,880
ask, um, like I've looked at the master

1000
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,440
plan, um, that's outdated for Alpine and

1001
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,000
it and it like designates like sports

1002
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,720
fields acres versus like leisure acres

1003
00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:16,880
versus So, is that a thing of the past

1004
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,640
as well? Like because I didn't see that

1005
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,400
broken out in any way or is that still

1006
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,119
to come or what? So, so you bring up an

1007
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:24,880
important important point for the

1008
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,560
community as well because there is this

1009
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,720
designation of sports parks versus

1010
00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:30,880
family parks and we're aware of that.

1011
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,599
And the way that we're working that into

1012
00:37:33,599 --> 00:37:37,440
the plan is that um the parks will have

1013
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,440
their, you know, community neighborhood

1014
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,760
local park designation, but it will also

1015
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,680
be paired with that family park or

1016
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,240
sports park designation. And the plan is

1017
00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:47,440
going to recommend that the city

1018
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,160
formalize whatever ordinances or some

1019
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,000
language around that so there's not the

1020
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,599
confusion about what's allowed and

1021
00:37:53,599 --> 00:37:55,359
what's not allowed in this park and are

1022
00:37:55,359 --> 00:37:56,960
we ever going to see this amenity here?

1023
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:58,640
I don't want to see a field here. You

1024
00:37:58,640 --> 00:37:59,680
know, this is supposed to be a family

1025
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,119
park. So, the plan is going to help

1026
00:38:01,119 --> 00:38:02,640
clarify that and make recommendations

1027
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,400
for you to move forward in a maybe a

1028
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,079
little stronger way that way.

1029
00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:09,359
>> And is there a a measure to to say like

1030
00:38:09,359 --> 00:38:12,640
sports fields per capita or anything

1031
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,400
like that? Um so we are actually doing

1032
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,880
an analysis of um so the way we look at

1033
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,079
amenities is population per amenity. So

1034
00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:21,839
population per baseball fields

1035
00:38:21,839 --> 00:38:24,240
population. So and then we're also

1036
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:25,599
looking at the distribution of those

1037
00:38:25,599 --> 00:38:27,680
amenities within the city. So there's a

1038
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:28,960
lot of ways we're looking at it. We just

1039
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,880
didn't want to bombard you tonight with

1040
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,880
Okay. I I I just had that other master

1041
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,320
plan in my mind and there were some

1042
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:35,359
things that

1043
00:38:35,359 --> 00:38:36,960
>> I just wonder where we stand to date

1044
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,720
because like I said it's out of date.

1045
00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:39,040
Yeah.

1046
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,880
>> The other thing was um this is an well

1047
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,960
no I'll say something different. Um

1048
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,680
we've looked at annexation and right now

1049
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,680
because of the way the topography of our

1050
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,760
city is all the new most of the new

1051
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,240
places are on hills which we've learned

1052
00:38:56,240 --> 00:38:58,800
is not an easy place to put a park. And

1053
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,960
so even though like our level of service

1054
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,839
may decline, I don't think we have an

1055
00:39:03,839 --> 00:39:05,839
like the the opportunity to put in

1056
00:39:05,839 --> 00:39:08,640
another park in a usable space.

1057
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,880
>> So it's it's good to have open space in

1058
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,839
those like you know the the the

1059
00:39:13,839 --> 00:39:15,760
um hills on the east side. It seems to

1060
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,680
be where all our annexation potential

1061
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:21,040
is, but it's not necessarily even um the

1062
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:22,880
part that's in the county like there's a

1063
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:24,960
little center park, but there's like

1064
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,359
there's a there's it's like stairs going

1065
00:39:27,359 --> 00:39:29,119
down like you you play at one level,

1066
00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:30,560
then there's grass at another level,

1067
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:31,839
then there's a sidewalk at another

1068
00:39:31,839 --> 00:39:34,720
level, and it's not really very um

1069
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:37,599
enjoyable to use the space that way. So

1070
00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:40,320
I kind of So in short, if you need an

1071
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,400
answer, Shane, I feel like we our level

1072
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,560
of service to maintain it for the

1073
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,280
foreseeable future, which is only 2035

1074
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:48,960
because I'm not going to be here in 2050

1075
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,520
either. I would say just maintain our

1076
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,520
level of service as far as this measure

1077
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,400
that she's provided, and like use what

1078
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,720
use the resources we have to make better

1079
00:39:58,720 --> 00:40:02,320
use of the space we have. And if that

1080
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,640
helps, one of the um I um Brent and I

1081
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:10,079
have been going from park um park play

1082
00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:12,079
equipment vendor to play equipment

1083
00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:15,119
vendor at every time we show up at um

1084
00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:16,560
Utah League of the City of Towns

1085
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,960
conference. And the one clue that has

1086
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,359
really stood out to me, somebody, it was

1087
00:40:21,359 --> 00:40:22,880
a salesperson, but they said, "You need,

1088
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,560
we need our play equipment to look very

1089
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,079
different than what our school equipment

1090
00:40:26,079 --> 00:40:28,160
looks like because the kids play on that

1091
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,400
year, you know, school, the school year,

1092
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,119
the slides, the swings." So, we've been

1093
00:40:33,119 --> 00:40:34,400
looking at things like what would a

1094
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:38,160
climbing wall look like or what like even an arch or what would you know

1095
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,320
just that type of thing. So, is there

1096
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,599
any distinction or in your world like

1097
00:40:43,599 --> 00:40:45,680
play equipment is play equipment? Yeah,

1098
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,119
this is more high level and that will

1099
00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:48,800
come kind of at the master planning and

1100
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:49,839
design stage for

1101
00:40:49,839 --> 00:40:52,000
>> Okay, so it's too soon for that. Okay,

1102
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,400
well I'm almost done with my questions.

1103
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,240
Um,

1104
00:40:56,240 --> 00:40:59,200
is there any measure in your in your um

1105
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,400
in your industry for the cost per

1106
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,720
resident or cost for level of service

1107
00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:07,040
like or cost per acre or anything like

1108
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,079
that that we can hold a standard to? We

1109
00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:13,200
can do a comparison and so we can we've

1110
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,599
done that before. um we can look at the

1111
00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:17,280
kind of national recreation and park

1112
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:18,720
standards kind of what we're seeing for

1113
00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:20,720
the average and then also some regional

1114
00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:22,880
like take some benchmark comparisons for

1115
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,079
surrounding communities. So yeah we can definitely provide that in our

1116
00:41:26,079 --> 00:41:27,040
cost chapter

1117
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:28,640
>> being an accountant we always do benefit

1118
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,079
cost analysis. So right so every acre is

1119
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:34,480
wonderful but what does it cost our city

1120
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,720
okay just to maintain what we already

1121
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:39,280
have even without growing. Okay. And

1122
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,440
lastly on the next steps, where are we?

1123
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,720
This was your first um page. Where are

1124
00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:46,480
we in your little next and what's our

1125
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:47,839
next steps then?

1126
00:41:47,839 --> 00:41:49,520
>> Yeah. So, we just have a few little

1127
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,440
items to kind of finish deciding the

1128
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,760
city with the city staff um settling on

1129
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,839
that amenities, level of service, and

1130
00:41:55,839 --> 00:41:57,599
some of those items and then we are

1131
00:41:57,599 --> 00:41:59,440
about ready to dive into the draft plan.

1132
00:41:59,440 --> 00:41:59,839
So,

1133
00:41:59,839 --> 00:42:01,359
>> okay. So, you're right here.

1134
00:42:01,359 --> 00:42:02,880
>> Yeah, we're in the middle of the

1135
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:03,520
process.

1136
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,280
>> All right. That's was my questions.

1137
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,280
Thank you so much. This was great

1138
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,880
information. Those were good. Um,

1139
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:15,760
briefly, so uh, just so I understand,

1140
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,680
none of the open space is included in

1141
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:18,640
this, right? The

1142
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,400
>> in that level of service calculation.

1143
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,040
>> So that would really that would really

1144
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,119
boost it. I mean, that probably better

1145
00:42:25,119 --> 00:42:26,319
not to do that. I'm going to make

1146
00:42:26,319 --> 00:42:27,760
everyone feel sad who's [laughter] not

1147
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:28,400
living here.

1148
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,400
>> Well, so just out of interest, I just

1149
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:31,200
did a

1150
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:32,800
>> Okay, what did you get? What we at one

1151
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,240
point? We've got about eight square

1152
00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:36,640
miles in the city.

1153
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,079
>> About 20% of the city is some type of

1154
00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:41,359
open space or park.

1155
00:42:41,359 --> 00:42:42,240
>> Wow. And you probably

1156
00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:43,920
>> which is I think pretty high.

1157
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:44,640
>> It's phenomenal.

1158
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,800
>> Did you include like even the schools

1159
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,440
like the Timberline and

1160
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:50,720
>> were they included in the other

1161
00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:51,119
candidates?

1162
00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:52,560
>> So those aren't even included and those

1163
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,240
are very in addition.

1164
00:42:54,240 --> 00:42:56,160
>> Okay. Well, this is great news.

1165
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:56,960
>> You're doing well.

1166
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,200
>> So what I gathered from it, it was very

1167
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:00,880
helpful. Thank you. and coming to the

1168
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,960
event and all that you have said, I

1169
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,040
pretty much right along the line with

1170
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,400
everything you've said on the

1171
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,240
prioritizing what we've got and trying

1172
00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:11,920
to update them because we've got so many

1173
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,880
needs there. The um what I gathered from

1174
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,920
it, correct me if I'm wrong, was kind of

1175
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,520
number one and number two was connecting

1176
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,240
trails and upgrading the playground

1177
00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:25,760
equipment. So, that's what I gathered

1178
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:26,640
from it. Yeah,

1179
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:30,640
>> I hear this daily from my wife mad at me

1180
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,560
about the playground equipment. Yeah,

1181
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,400
>> but uh so I asked her to reach out to a

1182
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:35,760
lot of ladies because most of them

1183
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,119
wanted for kids

1184
00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:38,880
>> or most of them are younger and they

1185
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:40,480
have kids and they they all say the same

1186
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:41,920
thing. They want the playground

1187
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:43,760
equipment updated.

1188
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,240
>> Um so that's what they all say. I've so

1189
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:47,359
I've been hearing that a lot.

1190
00:43:47,359 --> 00:43:48,079
>> Yeah.

1191
00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:49,680
>> Um

1192
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:54,000
the uh Yeah. Um,

1193
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,640
so that comes soon, right? That comes

1194
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,680
soon when we actually uh get into that

1195
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,079
specific stuff like you were saying that

1196
00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:04,480
comes in the parks master plan, right?

1197
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:05,520
>> As far as

1198
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,359
>> what we're prioritizing.

1199
00:44:07,359 --> 00:44:08,560
>> Yes. Well, that the plan will

1200
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,960
definitely, you know, give a list of

1201
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,920
priorities. Yeah, I I'm with them on the

1202
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,760
taking the what we've got and the large

1203
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,839
amount of open space and trying to like

1204
00:44:17,839 --> 00:44:19,599
really care for it

1205
00:44:19,599 --> 00:44:22,960
>> uh versus acquiring land for more parks.

1206
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,680
Maybe some land I know could potentially

1207
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,160
be used for other things. But if you

1208
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:29,920
find like a really great opportunity

1209
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,359
like what she brought up, obviously

1210
00:44:31,359 --> 00:44:33,359
don't hold it back because the community

1211
00:44:33,359 --> 00:44:34,480
might want it.

1212
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,079
>> Like a donation. This was the last

1213
00:44:36,079 --> 00:44:38,640
thing. the parks I've been going to in

1214
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,119
Highland. This is why I tell people um

1215
00:44:41,119 --> 00:44:42,560
they say, "Wait, did you want to say

1216
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:43,760
something?" You can if you want.

1217
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:44,560
>> No, you finish.

1218
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:48,240
>> Oh, I thought you uh the the um How was

1219
00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:50,160
my train of thought? Oh. Oh, Jessica

1220
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:51,200
says it all the time. I think it's

1221
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:52,160
really good. People ask, "What's what

1222
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:53,760
what's the deal with all your parks?"

1223
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,359
Well, we're one of the rare people where

1224
00:44:55,359 --> 00:44:57,119
like the mountains, the nature is our

1225
00:44:57,119 --> 00:44:59,359
park. So, we we we have that as our

1226
00:44:59,359 --> 00:45:01,440
park. Um, that's what I usually tell

1227
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,280
people when people are asking for all

1228
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:04,319
the upgrades

1229
00:45:04,319 --> 00:45:06,960
>> or a rec center. You say that's what I

1230
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:08,800
say.

1231
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,680
>> It is true because not I mean walking a

1232
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,079
dirt trail I took it for granted growing

1233
00:45:14,079 --> 00:45:16,160
up here but now I'm like wow this trail

1234
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,640
I start adding up how much it's worth

1235
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,440
like mentally but also financially. It's

1236
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,000
just so valuable. It's like our park is

1237
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,720
like nature. Um, so I try to get them up

1238
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:32,240
to the mountains. But anyways, I had So, when Highland or um,

1239
00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:33,599
uh, Pleasant Grove build these

1240
00:45:33,599 --> 00:45:35,760
magnificent parks, I mean, they're

1241
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,520
amazing. We go to them, I thank them for

1242
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:38,640
it, and I say, "Thank you for letting us

1243
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,040
come and use it." One thing just to pass

1244
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,040
on that I've been noticing is that

1245
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,200
they're generally donated by one of the

1246
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,480
residents. There's a big donation factor

1247
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,119
to it where it's the Cook Family Park.

1248
00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:53,520
That's an example, and they come in. So

1249
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,760
anyways, just I found that very

1250
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,440
compelling as a way that ourselves can

1251
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,440
donate and create if there is something.

1252
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:02,560
It doesn't all have to come from the

1253
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:03,920
city. We can I mean they're really

1254
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:05,680
great. I don't know if you've seen them.

1255
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,400
Uh we can donate to these upgrades as

1256
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:09,920
well. So that's all I had. Thanks for

1257
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:10,560
everything.

1258
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,319
>> Thank you Shane.

1259
00:46:12,319 --> 00:46:14,880
>> So I think just to clarify, so currently

1260
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:21,200
we're at that 7.2. If we maintain that, means we have to add acreage. So I

1261
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:22,960
think the question is

1262
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,920
>> Lisa can correct me if I'm wrong but are

1263
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,079
we willing to allow that

1264
00:46:28,079 --> 00:46:30,560
>> it kind of build out or around 2050 to

1265
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:34,800
drop to that 6.8 or do we want to be the

1266
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,359
high number or somewhere in between. I

1267
00:46:37,359 --> 00:46:39,200
think it just makes a difference on the

1268
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,040
approach from here forward.

1269
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:42,800
>> So sorry I wasn't clear um and probably

1270
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,040
everyone can go I'm okay with 6.8 eight

1271
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,280
for now given that that's still beyond

1272
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,640
number one of any city and I think we

1273
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,560
have so much to take care of but if a

1274
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,160
great opportunity comes obviously don't

1275
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:54,560
hold back

1276
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,640
>> and that's based on acres so there can

1277
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,319
still be improvements to some of that

1278
00:46:58,319 --> 00:47:00,800
land that would make it feel like you

1279
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:01,440
added

1280
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:02,079
>> right more

1281
00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:03,680
>> use usable park

1282
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,000
>> I'm also okay with the 6.8 I just

1283
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,760
getting a feel for the residents. I feel

1284
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,960
like they would prefer some upgrades and

1285
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,440
rather than more space. I will say

1286
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,160
though, I'm never opposed to more

1287
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,880
trails. So, I know that doesn't count

1288
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,359
with our level of service, but I do feel

1289
00:47:21,359 --> 00:47:23,440
like a lot of people utilize them a lot.

1290
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,640
And so,

1291
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,319
>> yes, and I agree with Sarah.

1292
00:47:28,319 --> 00:47:30,319
>> Absolutely. And given that the open

1293
00:47:30,319 --> 00:47:32,400
space is not even in the seven

1294
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,800
calculation, I feel like we we are

1295
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,720
somewhat under reppresented about how

1296
00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:39,520
much land as you pointed out 20% that

1297
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,079
the city is responsible to maintain and

1298
00:47:42,079 --> 00:47:46,480
all of those things. So I feel like uh

1299
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,599
this re retaining what we already have

1300
00:47:49,599 --> 00:47:52,240
is already understating what we do

1301
00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:54,319
really have anyway. So I'm I'm in

1302
00:47:54,319 --> 00:47:55,920
agreement.

1303
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:57,520
>> Yeah. And I I'll just take the

1304
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,040
opportunity right now since we're

1305
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,920
talking about trails a little bit. So

1306
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,640
our our city employees maintain the

1307
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,680
asphalt trails in the city. We really

1308
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,599
don't spend time uh maintaining gravel

1309
00:48:11,599 --> 00:48:14,400
trails. It's it's our trails committee.

1310
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,480
And so if that ever goes away, that

1311
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,880
volunteer help and them organizing

1312
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,079
groups to help with that, it's it's

1313
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:24,480
going to mean more staff to be able to

1314
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,119
cover it. So I think anything we can do

1315
00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:30,000
to support and encourage them is

1316
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,599
fantastic. U they've just flat done an

1317
00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:35,839
awesome job with it. Occasionally like

1318
00:48:35,839 --> 00:48:38,319
on a big you know once or twice a year

1319
00:48:38,319 --> 00:48:40,319
project they'll say hey we need

1320
00:48:40,319 --> 00:48:43,119
materials to replace a bridge or you

1321
00:48:43,119 --> 00:48:45,760
know we need a gra a dump truck load of

1322
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,160
gravel here or there. you know, we do

1323
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:49,839
parking lots and stuff like that, but on

1324
00:48:49,839 --> 00:48:51,920
the trails themselves, it's fairly

1325
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:56,079
infrequent that our staff uh is involved

1326
00:48:56,079 --> 00:48:59,040
there. So,

1327
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,200
>> all right. So, is the direction clear to

1328
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:01,520
you?

1329
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:01,839
>> Yeah.

1330
00:49:01,839 --> 00:49:02,720
it is.

1331
00:49:02,720 --> 00:49:02,960
>> Yep.

1332
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:04,720
>> I still recommend you get Jessica's

1333
00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:06,960
input. [snorts] Um,

1334
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:07,839
>> thank you very much.

1335
00:49:07,839 --> 00:49:10,079
>> Thank you. And if someone like the

1336
00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:12,400
Healey family which donated, you know,

1337
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:16,800
church space, park, road, if uh well, if

1338
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,640
they if families do come, obviously we

1339
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,760
wouldn't want to turn it down

1340
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:22,319
>> like that.

1341
00:49:22,319 --> 00:49:25,280
>> No, I mean, you know, some of those open

1342
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,119
spaces, you know, came through

1343
00:49:27,119 --> 00:49:29,200
development requirements, you know,

1344
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,920
PRDS, minimum 25% open space and

1345
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,720
different things like that. But um yeah,

1346
00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:36,720
for sure if a donation comes along, it

1347
00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:38,720
will be brought before the city council.

1348
00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:41,520
Okay. So,

1349
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:42,880
>> all right. Thank you very much. We'll

1350
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,839
move on to item B in reports and

1351
00:49:45,839 --> 00:49:47,359
presentations, the sculpture garden

1352
00:49:47,359 --> 00:49:49,599
report by Bob Hansen. Do you have

1353
00:49:49,599 --> 00:49:52,720
anything to introduce, Shane?

1354
00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:55,680
>> Uh no. Um I know these guys are working

1355
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,960
on their plan. Uh we had a brief meeting

1356
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,559
on Monday just for an update and and I

1357
00:50:02,559 --> 00:50:05,280
mentioned a few things uh to Bob that

1358
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,359
you probably should bring up tonight.

1359
00:50:07,359 --> 00:50:08,880
Make sure everybody's on the same page

1360
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:10,559
and we'll just turn the time over to him

1361
00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:11,760
for his report.

1362
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,040
>> Thank you. Bob Hansen. I'm a resident of

1363
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:19,574
American Fork. I apologize.

1364
00:50:19,584 --> 00:50:19,839
[clears throat]

1365
00:50:19,839 --> 00:50:22,319
>> How are their parks? Where where were

1366
00:50:22,319 --> 00:50:24,720
they on this? Just kidding. [laughter]

1367
00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:28,000
>> Yeah. Well, so, um, I hope that you had

1368
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,960
some time to look briefly over the the

1369
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:32,960
slides. It's really just kind of a nice

1370
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,440
update, right? Um, we're looking at

1371
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,119
bringing some things before the city

1372
00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:40,319
council at the August 25th meeting for

1373
00:50:40,319 --> 00:50:43,359
your consideration for vote. Um, but,

1374
00:50:43,359 --> 00:50:44,960
uh, we did want to share with you. So,

1375
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,680
tonight just kind of a quick update on

1376
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,800
some of the design elements. um

1377
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:52,640
validating, verifying some of the

1378
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,319
decisions that have been made up to this

1379
00:50:54,319 --> 00:50:58,160
point and then um identify those items

1380
00:50:58,160 --> 00:50:59,760
specifically that we'll be bringing in

1381
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:03,520
August. Right. Um I will say that we

1382
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:07,440
have the planting plan. Yay. Uh very

1383
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:11,119
excited about this. Um this is uh this

1384
00:51:11,119 --> 00:51:13,760
has been very important, but it's uh

1385
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:17,200
it's been kind of difficult to get. And

1386
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,640
uh we'll have this uh for you for

1387
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,200
consideration next month. Um and you'll

1388
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:24,720
have you know plenty of time to kind of

1389
00:51:24,720 --> 00:51:27,040
look that over, but we have the plan

1390
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,480
itself. Um now we did want to kind of

1391
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,440
update you on the gazebo um element and

1392
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,800
so uh Tom and Gail have both agreed to

1393
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,839
come and share some updates to that and

1394
00:51:39,839 --> 00:51:42,559
like to turn some time over to them.

1395
00:51:42,559 --> 00:51:46,319
>> All right, we got some good stuff.

1396
00:51:46,319 --> 00:51:47,680
kind of visual treats.

1397
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,000
>> Visual Yeah.

1398
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:55,280
Tom Holdman and Gail uh uh uh uh

1399
00:51:55,280 --> 00:52:00,880
residents here as well. So, okay. So we

1400
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,920
have dove into

1401
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,200
Alpine and it's been wonderful to learn

1402
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,960
more about the history and how like what

1403
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:24,559
I heard once that we are uh we are we are the warm like by

1404
00:52:24,559 --> 00:52:28,559
fires we did not start and we drink from

1405
00:52:28,559 --> 00:52:31,200
wells we did not dig. big and that has

1406
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,160
meant a lot to me in in this research,

1407
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:38,880
but also well like we also like like do

1408
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:40,960
that for those which they'll come after

1409
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:45,280
us. And so that was our our our theme

1410
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,720
here too as well. And so this right here

1411
00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:54,400
it shows how to show passage of

1412
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:59,440
time. You know how this

1413
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:03,990
ity will

1414
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:11,829
endure and so like we show here aer

1415
00:53:11,839 --> 00:53:13,920
calendar here so like was like using

1416
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:18,640
like light how to how to tell time and

1417
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:22,400
so that shows that and that's and then I

1418
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:24,079
have

1419
00:53:24,079 --> 00:53:27,349
um

1420
00:53:27,359 --> 00:53:29,680
a

1421
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:40,800
acquired. Uh uh uh uh uh

1422
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:46,069
so like uh uh

1423
00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:49,359
ends you know to make it work. So and

1424
00:53:49,359 --> 00:53:54,000
then also on our stories and so these

1425
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:59,760
have ebbed and flowed here but though to

1426
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:01,520
explain these like do you want to

1427
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:02,720
explain how many women

1428
00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:04,319
>> I'll just give you a quick overview as

1429
00:54:04,319 --> 00:54:06,400
to kind of how we decided to go the

1430
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,079
direction that we did. The first thing

1431
00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:09,680
that you'll notice is that the design

1432
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,599
style itself is a little bit of the

1433
00:54:11,599 --> 00:54:13,119
Rockwellian

1434
00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:15,760
uh narrative style and we did that for a

1435
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,760
few reasons. one of which is that

1436
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:19,839
particular illustrative style tends to

1437
00:54:19,839 --> 00:54:22,160
immediately evoke a sense of nostalgia

1438
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,160
as well as a sense of safety and trust

1439
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,000
and community. So that's the first thing

1440
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:27,680
and if you're looking at that Rockwell

1441
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:32,319
type style um it has generally very

1442
00:54:32,319 --> 00:54:34,720
important uh central figures and then it

1443
00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:36,559
plays with the light and contrast quite

1444
00:54:36,559 --> 00:54:38,480
a bit. And so we have that and then the

1445
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,839
color scheme. Um we use the whole color

1446
00:54:41,839 --> 00:54:44,000
of the rainbow there, but we you have

1447
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,040
different types of hues within all of

1448
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,839
those um colors. And we decided to use

1449
00:54:49,839 --> 00:54:51,440
if you wanted to look at it as seasons,

1450
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,839
it would be late summer kind of early

1451
00:54:53,839 --> 00:54:55,520
fall feeling of those colors. So they're

1452
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,599
the warmer ones. And that gives the

1453
00:54:57,599 --> 00:54:59,680
sense of the warmth of the community. It

1454
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:01,680
also gives that sense of, you know,

1455
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:03,359
excitement that summer brings. but also

1456
00:55:03,359 --> 00:55:04,720
as it starts to wind down and you're

1457
00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:06,079
going into the harvest, you're going to

1458
00:55:06,079 --> 00:55:07,760
be able to benefit from all of the

1459
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,680
things and all of the work that you did

1460
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,559
before that moment. And so we chose that

1461
00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:14,960
range of colors to also give that sense

1462
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,359
of warmth. And then we did a bit of

1463
00:55:17,359 --> 00:55:18,960
research as Tom talked about, but we've

1464
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:20,559
also spoken with some of the council

1465
00:55:20,559 --> 00:55:23,760
members and the heritage arts committee

1466
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:25,040
to talk about the things that were

1467
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:26,640
important. And we decided that we would

1468
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,040
focus on making sure that all of these

1469
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:32,319
together had a representation of men,

1470
00:55:32,319 --> 00:55:34,720
women, and children. And so we took some

1471
00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:35,920
of the stories that are a little more

1472
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:37,760
well-known and put those in that

1473
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:39,839
foreground, that focal point, but then

1474
00:55:39,839 --> 00:55:42,720
we would surround it by other elements

1475
00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:46,000
that were um maybe not as wellknown or

1476
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,559
elements that are a little bit vague so

1477
00:55:48,559 --> 00:55:51,280
that the viewer can picture themselves

1478
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:55,119
within that. And on on top of that, we

1479
00:55:55,119 --> 00:55:57,839
chose to include some of the iconic

1480
00:55:57,839 --> 00:56:01,200
architecture from the history of Alpine.

1481
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:02,880
And when you look at those, they do seem

1482
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,920
very large, maybe like overwhelmingly

1483
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:07,359
large, but you have to remember they

1484
00:56:07,359 --> 00:56:09,599
will be above you. And any artwork or

1485
00:56:09,599 --> 00:56:11,680
any vision that is above you ends up

1486
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:13,920
looking smaller simply because you are

1487
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,319
beneath it in the perspective.

1488
00:56:16,319 --> 00:56:16,799
>> Oh yeah.

1489
00:56:16,799 --> 00:56:18,400
>> Yeah. There you go. They want to be able

1490
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:18,960
to see it.

1491
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:20,960
>> Well, it's like full size right here.

1492
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,760
Well, like helps helps so you see it,

1493
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:27,760
you know, to get that impact, right? And

1494
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:33,200
so that story of of of

1495
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,240
the like depression where all they got

1496
00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:38,640
was an orange, but that orange though

1497
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,960
like for the winter time was amazing.

1498
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,400
And that the

1499
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,520
candy and just everyone

1500
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:54,160
has a beautiful explanation about how

1501
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:57,599
beautiful Alpine is, but also what will

1502
00:56:57,599 --> 00:57:00,640
you do with it? You know, where like

1503
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,200
where does like your stewardship, how do

1504
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,400
you add? And so we though even talk

1505
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,920
about the indigenous

1506
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:14,240
like people also as well. If a picture

1507
00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:18,720
is worth a thousand words then all of

1508
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,440
these pictures is worth a million words.

1509
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:23,839
So ultimately all of them together are

1510
00:57:23,839 --> 00:57:26,480
intended to create a sense of education

1511
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,240
for the individual to be able to learn

1512
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,240
about the environment they came from but

1513
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,400
also to instill in them a sense of

1514
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,200
gratitude and appreciation for what has

1515
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:38,079
been and for what is and then ultimately

1516
00:57:38,079 --> 00:57:40,400
to inspire what they can do to

1517
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,400
contribute. And so each of these panels

1518
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,119
has a title to it as well that features

1519
00:57:45,119 --> 00:57:47,359
some of the values that Alpine holds

1520
00:57:47,359 --> 00:57:48,880
dear. the ones that have made it what it

1521
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,359
is and the ones that if continued on

1522
00:57:51,359 --> 00:57:54,799
will only continue to make it um more

1523
00:57:54,799 --> 00:57:58,400
connected as a community, more unifying,

1524
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,799
more comfortable, peaceful and blessed

1525
00:58:00,799 --> 00:58:02,240
place for everyone who is able to

1526
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,079
interact with it.

1527
00:58:04,079 --> 00:58:05,200
>> Thank you.

1528
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,915
>> Do you have any questions?

1529
00:58:07,915 --> 00:58:17,349
[applause]

1530
00:58:17,359 --> 00:58:19,599
The rest of this I'm going to try to go

1531
00:58:19,599 --> 00:58:22,880
quickly. Um there has been lots of

1532
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:26,400
discussion about um the sculptures and

1533
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,799
where they might be placed and which

1534
00:58:28,799 --> 00:58:30,720
sculptures we're considering using,

1535
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:34,000
right? Um and so this uh slide attempts

1536
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,880
to do that. These names are names of

1537
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:40,240
sculptures. The next slide actually

1538
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:45,200
shows what those look like. Okay. Um and

1539
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:47,200
uh you probably should have broken this

1540
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:49,200
up over a couple of slides and just

1541
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:52,160
stuck them. It's a little tricky, but um

1542
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:53,839
it's going to be beautiful. Some of

1543
00:58:53,839 --> 00:58:56,559
this, some of these are different sizes.

1544
00:58:56,559 --> 00:58:59,599
And so, uh, while it might feel like 13

1545
00:58:59,599 --> 00:59:02,720
or 14, um, is kind of a lot for the

1546
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:04,880
space that we're talking about, um,

1547
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,359
there's going to be some where they're

1548
00:59:07,359 --> 00:59:11,920
climbing on a wall. Um, less, you know,

1549
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,799
kind of cluttered, um, and and stuffy

1550
00:59:14,799 --> 00:59:19,200
feeling. So, um, very, uh, appropriate,

1551
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:23,680
I think. And um we've got uh FFKR

1552
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:26,640
architects that are um almost finished

1553
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:30,799
with a 3D virtual tour that incorporates

1554
00:59:30,799 --> 00:59:32,720
all of this. So you really get a sense

1555
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,599
before it's there, right? Um yeah. And

1556
00:59:35,599 --> 00:59:38,400
so if we go to that next graphic

1557
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:40,720
dashboard, um that's just kind of a

1558
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,440
quick at a glance what's done and where

1559
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:49,040
does everything else kind of rest. We'll go to the next slide and I just

1560
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:50,640
want to share with you that you know the

1561
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:53,440
discussion that you had about donations.

1562
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,240
Um I spent a lot of time with the Cook

1563
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:58,559
family and Pleasant Grove project

1564
00:59:58,559 --> 01:00:02,720
specifically. Um great um ideas. Uh the

1565
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,359
former mayor of Highland uh would would

1566
01:00:05,359 --> 01:00:08,000
meet with families and invite donations

1567
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,319
to help with different things like this.

1568
01:00:10,319 --> 01:00:13,680
And so this is uh just for everybody's

1569
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,799
benefit um no tax dollars are going

1570
01:00:16,799 --> 01:00:18,720
towards the creation of this park,

1571
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,520
right? It's all privately funded. Um and

1572
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:22,960
so that's an important thing. And right

1573
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:27,359
now uh 1.5 million is pending. Uh the

1574
01:00:27,359 --> 01:00:30,640
family received a proposal um asked for

1575
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:33,599
a proposal. uh we asked for the amount

1576
01:00:33,599 --> 01:00:36,880
and we asked for um them to help not

1577
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:38,960
only with that commitment but would they

1578
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,680
help with another 1.5 from among their

1579
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:44,000
network and so they've asked for a

1580
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,160
meeting next week to finalize their

1581
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:48,799
commitment. Um so things are moving in a

1582
01:00:48,799 --> 01:00:51,760
very positive direction there. Um and

1583
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,640
the next slide kind of talks to some of

1584
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:56,960
that timeline you know where we are and

1585
01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:00,720
where we need to go. Um our plan as of

1586
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:04,400
this date is uh to unveil the park, the

1587
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:08,240
garden um at Alpine Days this next year.

1588
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:10,400
Um there's a lot that has to happen and

1589
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:11,520
there's a lot of things that are

1590
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:14,400
dependent on that. Um but uh and one of

1591
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,480
those we'll we'll talk about probably

1592
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:20,240
here in just a moment. Um the next slide

1593
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,480
is really the one that is kind of a

1594
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:25,920
heads up for next month. All right. um a

1595
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:28,240
planting plan that you'll have an

1596
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:30,559
opportunity to review and comment. The

1597
01:01:30,559 --> 01:01:32,240
irrigation that goes with it, the the

1598
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,640
sprinklers, the lighting, the gazebo

1599
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:36,960
design and construction, the naming

1600
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:39,359
opportunities has already been um

1601
01:01:39,359 --> 01:01:43,680
approved, but uh that policy um at the

1602
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:47,440
time only focused on statues. Um and

1603
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,160
since we've got a gazebo, there's um

1604
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:52,079
other opportunities that we want to make

1605
01:01:52,079 --> 01:01:55,440
sure that that plan um that policy makes

1606
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:59,440
sense. So um that's that's really our

1607
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,000
report and um

1608
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:03,839
very excited and delighted about how

1609
01:02:03,839 --> 01:02:07,270
things are progressing.

1610
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:08,559
Thank you very much. Do you want to

1611
01:02:08,559 --> 01:02:10,720
entertain questions? You have any

1612
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:13,760
questions or thoughts much?

1613
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:16,160
>> No. Um, it's just I think it's very

1614
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:18,799
beautiful and this will be a great thing

1615
01:02:18,799 --> 01:02:21,040
for our community to have and so I'm

1616
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:22,720
grateful. Thank you for all your work

1617
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:25,760
you've done on this.

1618
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:29,280
Um, as you know, I've been with with uh

1619
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:31,839
with them from the beginning. So, I

1620
01:02:31,839 --> 01:02:33,599
would you mind going back to page six,

1621
01:02:33,599 --> 01:02:35,200
Kaden?

1622
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:38,240
Um, this has really evolved. It's so

1623
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:41,440
exciting to see our own resident who um

1624
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:49,920
has so much artistic skill lend his his imagination to what can be. And um

1625
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,160
this particular garden space has evolved

1626
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:54,480
over time. But one point I just want to

1627
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:55,839
make while we're all sitting in this

1628
01:02:55,839 --> 01:03:00,720
room is um per my request and they've honored it is that we're going

1629
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:02,000
to have something to look out through

1630
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:02,799
this window.

1631
01:03:02,799 --> 01:03:05,760
>> Yes. So that we're not in the winter or

1632
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:07,520
maybe for those that don't wander out to

1633
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:09,520
the park or just come to visit Alpine

1634
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:12,000
like they can actually see some of the

1635
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:13,680
sculpture garden right from the inside

1636
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:16,640
of these council chambers. And then also

1637
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:19,039
when we were designing the um civic

1638
01:03:19,039 --> 01:03:22,400
center so sorry the fountain lines up I

1639
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:24,079
believe after talking to the landscape

1640
01:03:24,079 --> 01:03:26,000
designer. So one right there one and

1641
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:28,480
four line up with this window. I I'm

1642
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:31,440
pretty sure that's what we really close

1643
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:33,760
to that at least. And then the number

1644
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:35,520
nine right there, you can see there's a

1645
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:37,280
pathway directly from the civic

1646
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:40,640
building. So there is a a door, right,

1647
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:42,720
Shane, that stayed in the plan.

1648
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:43,440
>> Yes.

1649
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:46,400
>> Oh, good. Okay. Anyways, so that as we

1650
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:48,799
gather as a community in that new part

1651
01:03:48,799 --> 01:03:51,280
of our fire station that there is a

1652
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:54,640
direct access into the sculpture garden.

1653
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:57,119
And um so those are the two things that

1654
01:03:57,119 --> 01:04:00,000
I wanted to share that um were important

1655
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:02,720
just because we want this to be all

1656
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:05,680
seasons, all all ability, you know, just

1657
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:07,839
if that's our seniors in there, they um

1658
01:04:07,839 --> 01:04:09,920
have access to the gardens and stuff

1659
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:12,960
like that. So that was part of it.

1660
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:14,400
>> You know, the the one thing that I

1661
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:16,319
probably should mention that that we

1662
01:04:16,319 --> 01:04:19,839
discussed on Monday, um there is uh uh

1663
01:04:19,839 --> 01:04:23,760
some addendum slides to this. Um if you

1664
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:25,680
go to

1665
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:28,880
let's see

1666
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:32,720
okay so right here it shows uh the

1667
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:35,359
shrubs right that are going to be taken

1668
01:04:35,359 --> 01:04:40,240
out in black. You keep going down

1669
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:45,119
that purple shows the trees. This is where I want to kind of pause

1670
01:04:45,119 --> 01:04:48,240
for a moment. Um this has already gone

1671
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:51,039
through um the planning commission. it

1672
01:04:51,039 --> 01:04:53,039
came back and was approved by the city

1673
01:04:53,039 --> 01:04:56,319
council, but um I know that there has

1674
01:04:56,319 --> 01:05:00,480
been some concern about the three trees

1675
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:02,960
that are currently out here in in this

1676
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:12,880
circular area. Um and um you know uh our goal, our wish is um while we we

1677
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,760
really don't want to disrupt things that

1678
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:18,640
don't need to be disrupted, uh if those

1679
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:20,799
trees stay there, we have to kind of go

1680
01:05:20,799 --> 01:05:22,720
back to the drawing board with the

1681
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:25,920
design elements because of the gazebo.

1682
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:29,599
Okay? If it weren't for the gazebo,

1683
01:05:29,599 --> 01:05:32,079
um then maybe we could be a little more

1684
01:05:32,079 --> 01:05:36,400
flexible. but that has emerged to be a

1685
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:39,520
quite a crucial element to this project

1686
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:41,680
that I think would be a travesty to to

1687
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:45,119
lose. So, um I just wanted to make sure

1688
01:05:45,119 --> 01:05:47,839
that that was kind of well understood.

1689
01:05:47,839 --> 01:05:48,160
>> Okay.

1690
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:49,599
>> And and I wanted to make sure the

1691
01:05:49,599 --> 01:05:52,240
council understands that 25 plus year

1692
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:55,200
old trees would go like the way it was

1693
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:58,240
described to us yesterday. It basically

1694
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:00,880
would wipe the slate clean. everything

1695
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:07,599
that's there would go. So, there's a red uh a Canada red choke

1696
01:06:07,599 --> 01:06:11,200
cherry tree right here that we saved

1697
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:13,440
with the fire station project that would

1698
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:16,240
go the three big trees by this circular

1699
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:19,760
concrete. And they're they're probably

1700
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:22,640
15 18 inch

1701
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:25,760
uh caliper trees. And it takes a long

1702
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:28,160
time to get shade. And a lot of people

1703
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:31,839
go sit under those trees during the day.

1704
01:06:31,839 --> 01:06:32,319
So

1705
01:06:32,319 --> 01:06:33,680
>> yeah, they would have to sit under the

1706
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:36,710
gazebo,

1707
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:39,359
» which it's it's up to council, but I

1708
01:06:39,359 --> 01:06:42,319
want to make it very very clear what

1709
01:06:42,319 --> 01:06:45,760
this particular plan would do to the to

1710
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:48,720
the existing landscape.

1711
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:51,280
Um, I think taking the bushes and stuff

1712
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:55,280
out make will make things look better.

1713
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:57,520
Uh, I don't know if you knew, we had to

1714
01:06:57,520 --> 01:06:59,280
take some bushes out between the rally

1715
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:02,079
call and the fire station parking lot.

1716
01:07:02,079 --> 01:07:04,400
>> It totally changed the look out there. I

1717
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:06,880
think it looks 100 times better with

1718
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:10,799
those gone, but I think the loss of the

1719
01:07:10,799 --> 01:07:13,039
trees might not have the same effect,

1720
01:07:13,039 --> 01:07:15,680
but it's it's a council decision on

1721
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:17,760
that.

1722
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,720
>> And when is that decision to be made? I

1723
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:22,720
think it needs to be very soon because

1724
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:24,319
these guys are moving forward with a

1725
01:07:24,319 --> 01:07:26,799
plan. Um

1726
01:07:26,799 --> 01:07:28,799
>> and to be clear, the decision was

1727
01:07:28,799 --> 01:07:30,559
already made. This would have to go back

1728
01:07:30,559 --> 01:07:33,839
and change that from the um planning

1729
01:07:33,839 --> 01:07:34,240
commission.

1730
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:36,079
>> I don't know if it was specifically said

1731
01:07:36,079 --> 01:07:39,440
that these big trees would be taken out.

1732
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:40,160
There was a plan.

1733
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:41,599
>> This was the slide that was

1734
01:07:41,599 --> 01:07:42,799
>> there was a slide, but was it

1735
01:07:42,799 --> 01:07:44,799
specifically mentioned and made very

1736
01:07:44,799 --> 01:07:48,240
clear? I I don't remember if it was.

1737
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:50,000
>> Well, what was made clear? They we

1738
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:52,160
outlined the entire space and said this

1739
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:55,280
is yours to design. So we didn't point

1740
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:58,559
out keep this, keep that. So maybe that

1741
01:07:58,559 --> 01:07:59,680
was

1742
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:01,920
>> Yeah. not clear to everybody because we

1743
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:03,280
didn't say one way or the other, but it

1744
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:03,839
was

1745
01:08:03,839 --> 01:08:04,240
>> Yeah.

1746
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:06,799
>> It was a complete like blackout of the

1747
01:08:06,799 --> 01:08:07,440
space.

1748
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:09,520
>> So at one time we were considering the

1749
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:11,280
driveway going into the fire station

1750
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:13,280
coming from Center Street. And the

1751
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:15,839
discussion then is if that happened that

1752
01:08:15,839 --> 01:08:19,199
we need to plan around the trees and so

1753
01:08:19,199 --> 01:08:19,600
That was

1754
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:21,120
>> anyway

1755
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:22,799
wondered if it was something that was

1756
01:08:22,799 --> 01:08:25,920
overlooked or I basically I want to make

1757
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:28,880
sure you guys understand.

1758
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:31,040
>> Well, I'll I'll just

1759
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:33,359
>> Wait, have you as Andrew?

1760
01:08:33,359 --> 01:08:34,960
>> Oh, you can keep discussing this. I'll

1761
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:36,319
just I'll just share my thoughts in

1762
01:08:36,319 --> 01:08:38,319
general. I I agree with what Chrissy and

1763
01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:39,600
Sarah said. This is beautiful. It's

1764
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:41,679
amazing. You're talented. I wish I had a

1765
01:08:41,679 --> 01:08:45,120
centilla of your talent. Um

1766
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:46,719
this is this is awesome. I I really

1767
01:08:46,719 --> 01:08:47,759
think this is going to be a huge

1768
01:08:47,759 --> 01:08:49,600
improvement. You know, you say that

1769
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:51,359
people come and use a shade. That's

1770
01:08:51,359 --> 01:08:53,440
great. We have a park across the street.

1771
01:08:53,440 --> 01:08:56,159
Um I think this is a very underutilized

1772
01:08:56,159 --> 01:08:59,359
part of our city center, city block, and

1773
01:08:59,359 --> 01:09:01,040
if we can have this in conjunction with

1774
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:03,199
our beautiful new fire station and

1775
01:09:03,199 --> 01:09:05,279
community center, I think this would add

1776
01:09:05,279 --> 01:09:07,920
tremendously to the value of this area

1777
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:10,000
for our Alpine residents. So, I'd be

1778
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:12,799
okay with with um getting rid of those

1779
01:09:12,799 --> 01:09:15,759
trees to have this be a more useful,

1780
01:09:15,759 --> 01:09:18,880
beautiful area for Alpine to enjoy.

1781
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:20,400
>> Would it be possible to go back to the

1782
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:22,640
slide that has like the landscape plan

1783
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:24,400
because I believe that there were some

1784
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:26,480
other additional trees?

1785
01:09:26,480 --> 01:09:27,279
>> Yeah.

1786
01:09:27,279 --> 01:09:30,000
>> Okay. So, all around the east and south

1787
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:31,920
side would all be new trees.

1788
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:32,880
>> Yeah.

1789
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:35,440
>> And does it give any indication as what

1790
01:09:35,440 --> 01:09:36,880
type of trees those would be?

1791
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:39,600
>> They are. Um it it's hard to see but

1792
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:42,000
there is that planting plan.

1793
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:43,679
>> It's like on the second slide right

1794
01:09:43,679 --> 01:09:45,199
there

1795
01:09:45,199 --> 01:09:47,839
minuscu Sorry about that because because

1796
01:09:47,839 --> 01:09:50,960
we weren't seeking approval tonight um I

1797
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:54,320
didn't make it super clear there but um

1798
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:57,040
I could send a PDF that has lots of

1799
01:09:57,040 --> 01:10:00,159
detail that goes with that. Um, I I

1800
01:10:00,159 --> 01:10:02,480
guess my conclusion with regards to the

1801
01:10:02,480 --> 01:10:03,760
trees is

1802
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:07,920
>> if you're replacing three trees with

1803
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:12,400
uh 14 um um obviously they're going to

1804
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:13,760
be younger trees. They're not going to

1805
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:15,120
be as big as these. They're not going to

1806
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:17,520
provide as much shade, but I feel like

1807
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:21,040
there's a tradeoff there. And so I hate

1808
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:24,640
to see good mature trees go, but um I'd

1809
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:27,840
be okay with removing the trees. And

1810
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:29,360
there are, to be clear, there are more

1811
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:30,000
than three.

1812
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:31,199
>> There are more than three.

1813
01:10:31,199 --> 01:10:31,600
>> Yeah.

1814
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:33,040
>> I'll have to walk out there, I think,

1815
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:41,590
before I give a final decision then. But

1816
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:43,840
» yeah, I hate to lose trees, too. I I I

1817
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:45,520
feel your pain, Shane. I do. I really

1818
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:47,920
do. But on the other hand, I do feel

1819
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:50,400
like we are gaining. It's like like

1820
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:52,560
everything, there's always a tradeoff.

1821
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:56,960
So, um, we would gain some trees in

1822
01:10:56,960 --> 01:11:00,080
exchange and also the the people that

1823
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,159
are using the shade, we welcome them

1824
01:11:02,159 --> 01:11:04,560
back, but we're we hope to get like 10

1825
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:06,960
times the number, maybe 50 times the

1826
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:09,600
number of people accessing this space

1827
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:12,320
because of the additional features. So,

1828
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:14,640
to me that you always sometimes to take

1829
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:16,159
a step forward, you have to take a

1830
01:11:16,159 --> 01:11:18,800
little step back. So, I'm I'm okay with

1831
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:21,360
it. I'm sad, too. But I think that's the

1832
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:23,520
right thing to do.

1833
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:26,369
Uh,

1834
01:11:26,369 --> 01:11:28,950
[snorts]

1835
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:32,320
Confucious, he said like the the best

1836
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:35,840
time to plant a tree is

1837
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:38,719
20 years ago. And

1838
01:11:38,719 --> 01:11:47,430
today,

1839
01:11:47,440 --> 01:11:48,719
Can you talk that?

1840
01:11:48,719 --> 01:11:50,000
>> No.

1841
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:51,760
I never have talked to Tom. You

1842
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:53,840
know, he was my first boss, right?

1843
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:56,560
>> He was my first boss. My first job after

1844
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:59,920
my mission is really thankful for Tom

1845
01:11:59,920 --> 01:12:01,280
and everything. Thank you. This is

1846
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:03,440
amazing. You've really done done a lot.

1847
01:12:03,440 --> 01:12:06,480
Um this will really be nice for Alpine,

1848
01:12:06,480 --> 01:12:09,120
for like the city and the community.

1849
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:12,159
It'll be really be nice. Um really

1850
01:12:12,159 --> 01:12:13,920
prayerful. Hopefully this comes exactly

1851
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:15,280
as you're envisioning. Thanks for

1852
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:18,560
putting in the history stuff that that

1853
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:19,520
Thank you. Thank you.

1854
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:22,719
>> Well, I was a stick in the mud. Sorry.

1855
01:12:22,719 --> 01:12:24,159
>> It was the right thing for us.

1856
01:12:24,159 --> 01:12:26,159
>> Yeah. Thank you. It's so good. And

1857
01:12:26,159 --> 01:12:28,880
that'll help our kids kids, you know,

1858
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:31,120
having we'll be able to preserve the

1859
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:32,719
identity through your artwork. That's

1860
01:12:32,719 --> 01:12:34,719
like the vehicle that lasts forever. So,

1861
01:12:34,719 --> 01:12:38,640
thank you. Um the trees, I I didn't know

1862
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:40,080
about that. Can't Can't we just build

1863
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:44,560
the Well, maybe we build the uh the um

1864
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:46,640
gazebo out of the trees.

1865
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:48,640
>> Oh,

1866
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:50,640
uh I would love to figure out a way to

1867
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:51,199
use

1868
01:12:51,199 --> 01:12:52,080
>> I don't know. I don't know.

1869
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:52,800
>> I would love to.

1870
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:54,080
>> I'll go check them out. I'll ask the

1871
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:55,360
neighbors. They they didn't bring that

1872
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:57,199
up when we when I surveyed them around

1873
01:12:57,199 --> 01:12:58,640
here. You've addressed what they've

1874
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:00,640
brought up. So, thank you. They had

1875
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:03,040
specifics. You've done it and Tom has

1876
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:05,120
done it. So, thank you. Uh that's that's

1877
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:06,880
all. I just have one change, but I'll

1878
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:08,640
text it to you. Or do you want me to

1879
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:09,520
tell you?

1880
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:10,800
>> No.

1881
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:14,880
>> Okay. It's so small. It's just one word.

1882
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:18,640
>> Well, you know, on uh John Moy, and it's

1883
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:20,480
so funny. We bring up documents at city

1884
01:13:20,480 --> 01:13:21,920
council and he's the guy that signed

1885
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:23,520
them. So, we we like go all the way back

1886
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:25,679
there to see the contracts he made, like

1887
01:13:25,679 --> 01:13:27,679
our water contract. He's got his

1888
01:13:27,679 --> 01:13:30,320
signature on. It's so crazy. Yeah.

1889
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:31,760
That's going to go that's going to

1890
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:34,320
preserve it. Um maybe rather than

1891
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:37,360
relentless, just faith.

1892
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:38,880
That's all I got. Think it over. You're

1893
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:44,709
the You're the boss still. So much.

1894
01:13:44,719 --> 01:13:46,080
» Thank you for making the oranges bigger

1895
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:47,280
as well. Thank you very much, Bob.

1896
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:49,040
>> Can I bring one more thing up? Just

1897
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:50,159
something.

1898
01:13:50,159 --> 01:13:52,320
>> Can you bring the time the timeline

1899
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:58,070
slide up?

1900
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:01,679
So the only uh other concern other than

1901
01:14:01,679 --> 01:14:05,280
I I asked Bob to get with Troy on uh

1902
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:07,520
just irrigation and because sometimes

1903
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:09,040
you know they want certain valves and

1904
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:12,400
different things. So I know he's working

1905
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:14,640
towards that. Um, looking at the

1906
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:18,960
timeline, one concern I have is October

1907
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:23,600
26 site prep, site prep and excavation,

1908
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:25,360
but

1909
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:26,960
I don't know how the council feels if

1910
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:29,360
the money is not committed at that time.

1911
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:31,440
Um, tearing into the project and not

1912
01:14:31,440 --> 01:14:33,040
having the funds lined up. It's a

1913
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:36,080
concern for me, but if it's not for you,

1914
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:38,320
then we roll with that.

1915
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:40,080
>> That's a valid concern. Bob, you want to

1916
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:40,880
address that?

1917
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:43,600
>> Yeah. So, I've, you know, in in 40

1918
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:46,080
years, I just have my fundraising

1919
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:48,640
experience, whether it was a $600

1920
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:52,320
million hospital at Ohio State. Um, they

1921
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:53,920
started before they had all the money

1922
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:56,960
committed. Um, at Utah Valley

1923
01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:58,719
University, I was responsible for the

1924
01:14:58,719 --> 01:15:00,719
science building. We started that

1925
01:15:00,719 --> 01:15:02,239
project before we had all the money

1926
01:15:02,239 --> 01:15:05,120
committed. Um, so there is precedent for

1927
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:12,000
this. Um there there you know this is a formal campaign um and there

1928
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:14,400
are elements that need to be done. We

1929
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:16,960
don't count the money until it's been

1930
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:20,800
documented uh with gift agreements.

1931
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:22,960
Um and those are as good as anything to

1932
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:26,320
a bank right to everybody. Um they're uh

1933
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:30,159
they're legal documents. Um and so um

1934
01:15:30,159 --> 01:15:32,560
you know uh I I

1935
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:35,440
>> Bob is the total 4.5. 4.5

1936
01:15:35,440 --> 01:15:38,480
>> and you've got 1.5 that is uh uh

1937
01:15:38,480 --> 01:15:39,280
>> that is pending.

1938
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:40,000
>> Pending.

1939
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:41,760
>> Yeah. And so it's not it's not been

1940
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:44,800
counted. It's not a commitment, but it's

1941
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:45,520
quite close.

1942
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:46,159
>> That's good.

1943
01:15:46,159 --> 01:15:46,480
>> Yeah.

1944
01:15:46,480 --> 01:15:49,280
>> I say they're on a good track. um that I

1945
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:51,840
will also say is the hosted gatherings

1946
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:54,080
that we'll be doing from uh the

1947
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:56,159
beginning of September until the end of

1948
01:15:56,159 --> 01:15:59,520
December uh will raise somewhere around

1949
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:03,280
90% of all the money um in those those

1950
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:06,480
few months. Um and so that doesn't mean

1951
01:16:06,480 --> 01:16:09,440
that we will have all of it in hand.

1952
01:16:09,440 --> 01:16:11,040
Some people will make multi-year

1953
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:13,920
commitments. Um and so pledges are

1954
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:16,320
things that we work with as well. Um and

1955
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:20,880
so it it is it is typical. Um and you

1956
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:23,280
know most of what's happening will take

1957
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:26,560
place after the new year. Um and we

1958
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:30,960
should have uh all but very smaller you

1959
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:32,560
know small gifts that will be coming in

1960
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:35,040
from the general public at that point in

1961
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:37,120
time. So it'll be an accelerated

1962
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:42,159
campaign. Um, and uh, yeah, I I I could

1963
01:16:42,159 --> 01:16:46,000
bring lots of research and trends and

1964
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:48,640
anything that might be helpful in August

1965
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:50,640
to help kind of address that if that's

1966
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:52,719
helpful.

1967
01:16:52,719 --> 01:16:54,880
>> The analogy I use is having a brand new

1968
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:56,880
house and not having landscaping for a

1969
01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:59,040
few years. You deal with dust and mud

1970
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:01,679
and whatever. But I'm not I mean in my

1971
01:17:01,679 --> 01:17:04,239
mind it doesn't mean every single statue

1972
01:17:04,239 --> 01:17:08,080
is there, but I think all the basic

1973
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:11,920
everything. I I would recommend that the

1974
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:14,159
funding be there for that so you don't

1975
01:17:14,159 --> 01:17:18,960
have a Brandy community center and dirt

1976
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:22,880
from there to city hall to deal with for

1977
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:24,480
whatever period of time it takes to

1978
01:17:24,480 --> 01:17:27,280
raise the funds. So, so yeah, and to

1979
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:29,520
that point, October is just clearing the

1980
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:32,480
slate. Um, all of the other work takes

1981
01:17:32,480 --> 01:17:35,199
place in the spring and summer.

1982
01:17:35,199 --> 01:17:37,360
>> Is there a way to ask for um your

1983
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:39,600
landscape designer to provide a phasing

1984
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:43,120
to address Shane's concern? Like what

1985
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:45,760
would be phase one paid for? Like if we

1986
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:47,440
got three million and then you know what

1987
01:17:47,440 --> 01:17:49,920
I'm saying? Like what he's saying? Could

1988
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:51,679
we put in all the hardcape per se

1989
01:17:51,679 --> 01:17:54,960
walkways and sprinkler systems? You know

1990
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:57,120
what I'm saying? That would be phase one

1991
01:17:57,120 --> 01:18:00,159
like as far as fund like getting

1992
01:18:00,159 --> 01:18:01,360
>> because I know there's a scope and

1993
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:03,440
sequence when you install landscaping.

1994
01:18:03,440 --> 01:18:07,040
>> Yeah. Yeah. And you know and it is it is

1995
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:08,320
you know there is a degree of

1996
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:10,560
flexibility. You know I there's there's

1997
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:13,040
a lot that you can bank on but we are

1998
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:16,480
asking for voluntary donations too. Um

1999
01:18:16,480 --> 01:18:19,920
and so it's not the same process that

2000
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:21,360
you go through when you have money

2001
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:24,320
that's been budgeted for this. Right. Um

2002
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:28,800
so we can accelerate this or slow it

2003
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:32,719
down. Um and you know if it would help

2004
01:18:32,719 --> 01:18:35,199
there could be certain fundraising

2005
01:18:35,199 --> 01:18:37,760
benchmarks that communic that gets

2006
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:39,199
communicated to you in our regular

2007
01:18:39,199 --> 01:18:42,400
updates that you say okay release the

2008
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:44,719
Kraken for this right I mean go get that

2009
01:18:44,719 --> 01:18:47,440
done now. Um, I just didn't know if

2010
01:18:47,440 --> 01:18:48,800
that's something that you wanted to

2011
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:50,400
manage.

2012
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:52,640
But we could do that with staff.

2013
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:53,920
>> It just made me nervous. There was a

2014
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:57,360
suggestion when the equipment hit the

2015
01:18:57,360 --> 01:19:00,480
fire station to try to get the same

2016
01:19:00,480 --> 01:19:03,760
contractor to, you know, demo this area

2017
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:06,480
then. And I'm like,

2018
01:19:06,480 --> 01:19:09,760
it to me that's not a good plan.

2019
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:12,800
Um, I I think the basic stuff should be

2020
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:15,280
in there, but again, it's the council's

2021
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:17,840
decision. If you say move forward

2022
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:19,440
without the commitments for all the

2023
01:19:19,440 --> 01:19:23,679
funding to make this happen, that's the council's decision.

2024
01:19:23,679 --> 01:19:25,840
>> So, what are the drawbacks to you in

2025
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:27,920
delaying until you have the funding, the

2026
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:30,159
fundraising at least substantially

2027
01:19:30,159 --> 01:19:31,440
completed to at least address the

2028
01:19:31,440 --> 01:19:33,600
landscaping?

2029
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:36,640
>> Um, well, the landscaping will be a big

2030
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:38,880
part to this. We're essentially creating

2031
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:42,080
an outdoor gallery, right? So, it's not

2032
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:44,080
a small piece. It's not just clearing

2033
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:47,040
and putting grass. Um there's there's

2034
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:53,199
rocks, there's walls, you know, there's stone walkways. Um there's a

2035
01:19:53,199 --> 01:19:55,120
variety of things that are not going to

2036
01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:57,360
be inexpensive

2037
01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:00,400
um by design because we want them to

2038
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:02,640
last.

2039
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:05,840
So, but I I think that there could be

2040
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:09,120
easily a mechanism that is put together

2041
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:11,600
that says, you know, once the funding

2042
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:14,719
reaches a critical mass that, you know,

2043
01:20:14,719 --> 01:20:19,120
is is where you have uh license to to

2044
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:22,080
move into this particular stage, right?

2045
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:25,360
Um I I wouldn't suggest doing anything

2046
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:29,760
um if in October we have no money. This

2047
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:34,080
is donor driven. It has to be. Um, and

2048
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:35,440
that's the way that we're approaching

2049
01:20:35,440 --> 01:20:39,360
it. But, uh, this is not by far the most

2050
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:42,000
difficult campaign I've ever had.

2051
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:44,320
>> I I like Chrissy's idea of perhaps

2052
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:47,040
having it in phases and once we've

2053
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:50,239
reached the the donated amount to cover

2054
01:20:50,239 --> 01:20:52,560
phase one, then we go ahead with phase

2055
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:53,280
one. And

2056
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:53,600
>> yeah,

2057
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:55,280
>> if we could chunk it like that, to me

2058
01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:57,920
that makes more sense. Um, my second

2059
01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:00,719
question is how long does the site prep

2060
01:21:00,719 --> 01:21:03,760
slash excavation take? Because if it

2061
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:06,320
doesn't take that long, I don't I don't

2062
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:08,159
know. To me, it doesn't seem like it

2063
01:21:08,159 --> 01:21:09,679
would make that big of a difference if

2064
01:21:09,679 --> 01:21:12,239
we waited till after we have the funds.

2065
01:21:12,239 --> 01:21:14,080
>> Yeah. Yeah. It's it's just really to

2066
01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:16,480
kind of get the ground ready for all the

2067
01:21:16,480 --> 01:21:18,800
work that happens in the spring before

2068
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:20,880
snow comes and hopefully there will be

2069
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:23,840
snow.

2070
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:25,760
So, so that's all it is. It's just

2071
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:28,000
preparing the ground so that in the

2072
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:31,760
spring they can hit the ground running.

2073
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:33,840
I know you have a target date of alpine

2074
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:38,640
days next year. Um

2075
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:41,199
I for me I I think it I I I appreciate

2076
01:21:41,199 --> 01:21:44,000
Shane's thought of making sure that

2077
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:45,360
we're not going to have a partially

2078
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:46,960
completed project and then it's

2079
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:47,920
abandoned.

2080
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:49,679
>> Um taking out these mature trees and

2081
01:21:49,679 --> 01:21:51,440
these other things. I would prefer to

2082
01:21:51,440 --> 01:21:54,159
wait um and make sure you have the

2083
01:21:54,159 --> 01:21:56,800
funding at least to a comfort level that

2084
01:21:56,800 --> 01:22:00,159
we feel good about before we commit and

2085
01:22:00,159 --> 01:22:02,239
maybe having to put off the opening past

2086
01:22:02,239 --> 01:22:04,960
alpine days which which would be fine.

2087
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:07,440
>> Yeah.

2088
01:22:07,440 --> 01:22:09,199
>> And with all that we're not trying to

2089
01:22:09,199 --> 01:22:10,800
shed any kind of negative light. We're

2090
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:12,560
just trying to bring up the issues that

2091
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:14,960
we as we see them to the council.

2092
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:16,560
>> Let's let's say the fundraising goes

2093
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:18,320
splendidly well and we're ready to do

2094
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:20,000
this in October. How would this timeline

2095
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:22,000
affect what's going on with the fire

2096
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:23,600
station remodel?

2097
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:28,239
>> Uh, so they'll have the parking lots

2098
01:22:28,239 --> 01:22:30,560
complete. I believe the schedule had

2099
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:32,800
like mid October.

2100
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:34,480
I don't really see it affecting

2101
01:22:34,480 --> 01:22:35,120
>> Okay.

2102
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:37,360
>> They probably won't be able to access

2103
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:38,639
through there. We'd probably have to

2104
01:22:38,639 --> 01:22:40,880
come from the center street side. Just

2105
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:42,960
warranties and different things.

2106
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:44,480
Wouldn't want to get into any issues

2107
01:22:44,480 --> 01:22:46,400
there, but all that could be worked

2108
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:49,750
through.

2109
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:53,120
Anything else?

2110
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:56,320
>> All right. Thank you, sir.

2111
01:22:56,320 --> 01:22:57,920
>> All right. We appreciate that. Looks

2112
01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:00,159
beautiful. Let's move on to reports and

2113
01:23:00,159 --> 01:23:03,120
presentations. Item C, Utah growing

2114
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:05,040
water smart workshop report. Council

2115
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:08,239
members Hanaman and Blackwell.

2116
01:23:08,239 --> 01:23:10,320
>> Also, I will just say that um Steve

2117
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:12,560
Burroughs and Jason Jud will also be

2118
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:15,920
helping with this presentation.

2119
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:18,080
>> Okay.

2120
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:20,880
I'm Steve Burles. I'm going to kick it

2121
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:22,639
off. The heavy lifting will be done by

2122
01:23:22,639 --> 01:23:25,679
our two council women and and Jason to

2123
01:23:25,679 --> 01:23:27,760
give you a sense in the first three days

2124
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:32,080
of June. Um, six representatives of

2125
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:35,760
Alpine, two council women, a uh, three

2126
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:39,360
staff and myself attended a a conference

2127
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:41,760
in Hebrew City that was sponsored by the

2128
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:43,840
Utah Division of National Res Natural

2129
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:46,719
Resources, the uh, Central Utah Water

2130
01:23:46,719 --> 01:23:49,679
Conservancy District, USU, Utah League

2131
01:23:49,679 --> 01:23:51,360
of

2132
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:53,760
Counties, and the Babbot Center for Land

2133
01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:57,520
Water Policy. Over a 3-day period, we

2134
01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:01,040
were together for about 22 hours. Over

2135
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:04,880
nine of those hours, over 40% was this

2136
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:09,440
team, our alpine team of six people

2137
01:24:09,440 --> 01:24:14,639
um were in dialogue facilitated by a

2138
01:24:14,639 --> 01:24:17,679
couple very expert facilitators to help

2139
01:24:17,679 --> 01:24:21,440
us create a water plan that you'll be

2140
01:24:21,440 --> 01:24:23,920
given more detail in just a minute. I

2141
01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:26,080
think that one thing to remember is

2142
01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:30,320
this. Of all the seven um cities, there

2143
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:33,520
were only four uh council people. There

2144
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:36,639
were 45 attendees, only four council

2145
01:24:36,639 --> 01:24:39,679
people. Two of them were from our city.

2146
01:24:39,679 --> 01:24:42,000
There was a mayor that attended. Uh

2147
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:44,159
there was only one resident, yours

2148
01:24:44,159 --> 01:24:47,520
truly. Okay. I think the the importance

2149
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:51,120
of that is the discussion was robust

2150
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:54,000
rather. We are diverse in our

2151
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:55,760
backgrounds. We're diverse in our

2152
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:58,880
responsibilities. I'd like to see an

2153
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:01,520
analogy of a stool, three-legged stool,

2154
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:04,080
I think, for the success of most things.

2155
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:05,760
Three three components make a

2156
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:08,159
difference. We had the city staff, we

2157
01:25:08,159 --> 01:25:10,159
had the council, and then we had a

2158
01:25:10,159 --> 01:25:13,199
resident, too. So, th those voices were

2159
01:25:13,199 --> 01:25:16,320
very open and important.

2160
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:18,719
Um, we were willing to share our

2161
01:25:18,719 --> 01:25:20,560
experiences. You learned a lot from each

2162
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:22,880
other. They're very healthy, deep

2163
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:25,120
discussions. Uh, you know, you consider

2164
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:28,080
the personalities. We've got Jason, Jud,

2165
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:31,360
we've got Shellyley, uh, Slate, James,

2166
01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:33,760
Saleo, myself, and and Sarah, and

2167
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:36,480
Chrissy. So, things were covered and

2168
01:25:36,480 --> 01:25:39,040
covered deeply, which was good. All

2169
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:43,600
right. Um, let's go ahead and go to this

2170
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:46,639
first slide, that one. The vision. This

2171
01:25:46,639 --> 01:25:48,400
is important. The words are important.

2172
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:52,000
We debated for two hours um on some of

2173
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:54,639
the words the last day. What's important

2174
01:25:54,639 --> 01:25:57,040
here is the word self-sufficient.

2175
01:25:57,040 --> 01:25:59,920
Okay. Other way of looking at it is

2176
01:25:59,920 --> 01:26:02,239
living within our means. When it comes

2177
01:26:02,239 --> 01:26:04,400
to water, there are no more water

2178
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:07,120
sources. We we're tapping them. It comes

2179
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:09,440
from the sky. It comes from the ground.

2180
01:26:09,440 --> 01:26:12,560
You don't make water. Okay. So going

2181
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:14,800
forward and I was impressed with for

2182
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:16,880
example the central Utah water

2183
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:18,639
conservancy district they're planning

2184
01:26:18,639 --> 01:26:21,120
for 2100

2185
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:24,000
okay the what we're talking about and

2186
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:26,719
what this plan emphasizes is the need to

2187
01:26:26,719 --> 01:26:29,280
continue our planning and continuous

2188
01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:32,320
planning and based on the the situations

2189
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:34,800
we're forced to deal with especially

2190
01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:36,880
with mother nature.

2191
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:38,639
The importance is that we can achieve

2192
01:26:38,639 --> 01:26:42,080
this vision through a very collaborative

2193
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:44,560
teamwork. This is heavy lifting. We're

2194
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:46,320
going to need all three legs of that

2195
01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:48,719
stool to work together to make sure it's

2196
01:26:48,719 --> 01:26:50,960
done well. And we're going to need some

2197
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:54,639
resilient long-term strategies. We'll do

2198
01:26:54,639 --> 01:26:57,040
best thinking. We'll re we'll look at it

2199
01:26:57,040 --> 01:26:59,760
again. We may use scenario planning type

2200
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:02,800
uh strata uh strategy development to

2201
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:04,719
develop strategies but on occasion we're

2202
01:27:04,719 --> 01:27:06,080
going to revise them and we're going to

2203
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:08,960
have to be resilient. Okay, next slide

2204
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:11,120
please.

2205
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:13,520
Okay, here we get uh into some specifics

2206
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:16,239
more in a broad sense. It's important to

2207
01:27:16,239 --> 01:27:18,560
that I I came away with an importance

2208
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:21,120
land issues and water issues are not

2209
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:23,520
different. They're the same. When we

2210
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:26,560
consider the use of land, we're also by

2211
01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:29,679
default considering the use of water.

2212
01:27:29,679 --> 01:27:32,159
The need to continuously plan. The

2213
01:27:32,159 --> 01:27:34,719
Central Utah Water Conservancy District

2214
01:27:34,719 --> 01:27:38,239
inferred that our negotiated allocations

2215
01:27:38,239 --> 01:27:44,080
may change. And as you read about the uh Colorado River and realize that

2216
01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:47,120
63% of all the water the Wasatch Front

2217
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:50,320
uses is from the Colorado River. Those

2218
01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:52,480
levels are only going one direction

2219
01:27:52,480 --> 01:27:55,760
right now. Okay. Some of the proposed

2220
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:58,400
strategies that you'll hear about are

2221
01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:00,560
literally our negotiations with a

2222
01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:03,600
neighbor Lehi and with the Central Utah

2223
01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:05,920
Water Conservancy District about what

2224
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:07,920
should our portion be? Are there any

2225
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:12,239
tradeoffs? Um, we need continued uh

2226
01:28:12,239 --> 01:28:15,280
public water conservation outreach.

2227
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:17,760
Little by little, pulling all the levers

2228
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:20,320
of enforcement and rate structures and

2229
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:23,360
education will help us be more

2230
01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:25,760
self-sufficient. Living within our means

2231
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:28,239
of the water we have, the importance of

2232
01:28:28,239 --> 01:28:30,320
a long-term plan. You know, if they're

2233
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:33,760
planning for 2100, we can plan for

2234
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:36,800
20 years, 10 years certainly, and keep

2235
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:40,080
reviewing that plan. We need a city

2236
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:42,239
drought preparedness plan with specific

2237
01:28:42,239 --> 01:28:44,880
triggers. So if next year or the

2238
01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:46,800
following year the drought becomes

2239
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:48,639
something that we didn't expect, we have

2240
01:28:48,639 --> 01:28:50,960
abilities to pull these levers so that

2241
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:52,960
once again we can live within our means

2242
01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:55,360
and be self-sufficient.

2243
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:58,719
Uh we I know we're looking at a rate um

2244
01:28:58,719 --> 01:29:01,440
structure. Um certainly the need for a

2245
01:29:01,440 --> 01:29:04,320
conservation ba based rate structure

2246
01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:06,719
will be important and over time there

2247
01:29:06,719 --> 01:29:09,760
will be innovations such as the the

2248
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:13,360
technology associated with uh um

2249
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:17,600
irrigation clocks and etc. Next slide.

2250
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:19,760
This was this is a picture that we're

2251
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:22,080
accustomed to as it's looked this way

2252
01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:27,280
since May. Um, we're in an extreme

2253
01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:30,239
we're in extreme extraordinary drought

2254
01:29:30,239 --> 01:29:33,440
rather and our reservoir levels which is

2255
01:29:33,440 --> 01:29:36,480
our savings account. The the water that

2256
01:29:36,480 --> 01:29:38,320
comes down from the mountains is our

2257
01:29:38,320 --> 01:29:39,920
checking account and when that's not

2258
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:42,719
there we depend on our reservoirs as far

2259
01:29:42,719 --> 01:29:47,600
away as Strawberry Reservoir. Um we as

2260
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:51,760
of the 20th of this month the average

2261
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:55,280
capacity across the the state was 35%

2262
01:29:55,280 --> 01:29:58,400
last year was 47%.

2263
01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:00,719
Merely to emphasize this is a real

2264
01:30:00,719 --> 01:30:03,679
issue. It's not changing uh much more

2265
01:30:03,679 --> 01:30:09,280
than looking less uh uh favorable.

2266
01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:11,120
I think we're finding over time that is

2267
01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:13,120
our residents can understand how

2268
01:30:13,120 --> 01:30:15,760
important the annual snowpack is and

2269
01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:17,920
that really determines the sources we

2270
01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:21,040
have. The as you know the spring runoff

2271
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:24,000
is the primary source of our uh pressure

2272
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:27,440
irrigation water. the the spring snow

2273
01:30:27,440 --> 01:30:31,120
runoff and it goes feeds into our

2274
01:30:31,120 --> 01:30:35,040
aquifers which feeds our natural springs

2275
01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:36,880
which become our source of culinary

2276
01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:39,440
water and certainly the feed the

2277
01:30:39,440 --> 01:30:41,760
existing and potential new wells coming

2278
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:43,679
up.

2279
01:30:43,679 --> 01:30:47,679
Let's go to the next one. Okay. Um

2280
01:30:47,679 --> 01:30:50,000
looking at looking at what go one just

2281
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:53,360
before that please. Okay. So thus far

2282
01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:58,560
this year, so in 80 85 days in 33 35% of

2283
01:30:58,560 --> 01:31:00,800
the time period between the 15th and of

2284
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:03,760
April and the 15th of October, we're

2285
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:06,080
down for with our pressure irrigation

2286
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:09,440
usage by 11.75

2287
01:31:09,440 --> 01:31:12,960
12%. We're down in our culinary usage by

2288
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:14,960
almost 5.5%.

2289
01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:17,760
The word is getting out. Members, people

2290
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:20,400
whether it be a users, schools,

2291
01:31:20,400 --> 01:31:23,040
churches, and especially residents are

2292
01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:27,040
understanding they make a difference.

2293
01:31:27,040 --> 01:31:30,560
Um, let's go to the next slide.

2294
01:31:30,560 --> 01:31:32,159
We're going to jump right to that's the

2295
01:31:32,159 --> 01:31:35,360
detail. Go to the next slide, please.

2296
01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:37,440
What's important here is that our

2297
01:31:37,440 --> 01:31:40,880
average temperature is much higher

2298
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:48,400
um than normal this year. almost five degrees higher than normal normal

2299
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:50,159
when compared to last year which was

2300
01:31:50,159 --> 01:31:53,120
almost four degrees higher. The average

2301
01:31:53,120 --> 01:31:56,719
participation is lower than normal in

2302
01:31:56,719 --> 01:31:59,199
both years and when you compare them we

2303
01:31:59,199 --> 01:32:01,840
had a little more rain and we had almost

2304
01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:04,960
three inches during this period in 25

2305
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:10,400
and um a little less than two in 26.

2306
01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:13,920
Let's go next and that may be it. Yes.

2307
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:16,080
So, as the chair of the citizens

2308
01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:18,320
advisory committee for water, I

2309
01:32:18,320 --> 01:32:20,880
appreciate uh those on the committee.

2310
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:26,159
Sarah is our lead. Um we have um Jeff uh

2311
01:32:26,159 --> 01:32:28,960
Davis, who is a and I'm learning

2312
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:31,600
hydrogeeologist,

2313
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:33,199
which means he's really smart when it

2314
01:32:33,199 --> 01:32:36,320
comes to water. And we appreciate Will

2315
01:32:36,320 --> 01:32:40,239
and and Brian. We have two others, Clyde

2316
01:32:40,239 --> 01:32:42,800
and uh Sullivan. uh it makes a

2317
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:45,760
difference and we this this conference

2318
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:48,000
was very eye- openening for me. I I went

2319
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:50,000
through a lot of learning curve I

2320
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:52,560
especially saw the power of

2321
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:56,400
collaborative discussion the the setting

2322
01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:58,719
the facilitators created a setting where

2323
01:32:58,719 --> 01:33:01,760
it was very open. We could express our

2324
01:33:01,760 --> 01:33:04,800
concerns. We could s uh express our

2325
01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:07,520
thoughts. We could get to agreements.

2326
01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:09,679
And this is what you're going to see now

2327
01:33:09,679 --> 01:33:12,480
as it pertains to what we're proposing.

2328
01:33:12,480 --> 01:33:15,520
>> Thank you, Steve. Um I'll explain our

2329
01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:17,520
goal um goal number one next. But before

2330
01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:19,040
I do that, I just wanted to share one

2331
01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:21,360
thing. Um this was in an article that

2332
01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:23,280
actually Steve sent to me about kind of

2333
01:33:23,280 --> 01:33:25,760
like the the Utah heritage, the pioneer

2334
01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:28,000
spirit. And I just thought this was a

2335
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:29,679
great quote. They're talking about, you

2336
01:33:29,679 --> 01:33:31,199
know, when the pioneers first came to

2337
01:33:31,199 --> 01:33:33,120
Utah said they were supposed to work

2338
01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:34,639
hard to sacrifice for the good of

2339
01:33:34,639 --> 01:33:36,719
others. They believe that welfare was

2340
01:33:36,719 --> 01:33:38,239
fundamentally a neighbor-to- neighbor

2341
01:33:38,239 --> 01:33:39,840
responsibility rather than a

2342
01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:41,920
responsibility for government. And I

2343
01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:43,120
just really like that because I feel

2344
01:33:43,120 --> 01:33:45,440
like, you know, in this drought year, it

2345
01:33:45,440 --> 01:33:48,159
takes all of us. I mean, we can we can

2346
01:33:48,159 --> 01:33:51,120
adjust traits, we can do all the things,

2347
01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:53,600
but ultimately it just comes down to us

2348
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:56,320
being good neighbors and living in a

2349
01:33:56,320 --> 01:33:57,760
community and looking out for each

2350
01:33:57,760 --> 01:34:00,560
other. And um this goal of becoming

2351
01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:03,199
self-sufficient isn't just going to be

2352
01:34:03,199 --> 01:34:04,880
one person. is going to take all of

2353
01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:07,520
Alpine. And so I I've really enjoyed

2354
01:34:07,520 --> 01:34:08,880
being on this committee because I feel

2355
01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:10,800
like there's so much collaboration and

2356
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:12,320
going to this conference was really

2357
01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:14,960
great. Um lots of really great data and

2358
01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:16,719
resources, but also a lot of

2359
01:34:16,719 --> 01:34:18,560
collaboration. Like Steve said, we spent

2360
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:21,040
a lot of time developing like what's our

2361
01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:23,360
vision for Alpine and what are our

2362
01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:25,840
goals? And we came up with three goals.

2363
01:34:25,840 --> 01:34:30,080
And my I am what they called um champion

2364
01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:32,480
of one of the goals. And then um

2365
01:34:32,480 --> 01:34:34,639
Councilwoman Henman is a champion for

2366
01:34:34,639 --> 01:34:36,800
one and Jason is champion for the other.

2367
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:39,280
So I'm just going to stop talk about

2368
01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:42,239
goal one which is the one that um I am

2369
01:34:42,239 --> 01:34:44,639
champion over. Um, I guess it just makes

2370
01:34:44,639 --> 01:34:47,920
sure that just essentially means I help

2371
01:34:47,920 --> 01:34:50,000
facilitate and make sure that everything

2372
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:52,960
on on these action plans move forward,

2373
01:34:52,960 --> 01:34:55,920
which you know brainstorming is great,

2374
01:34:55,920 --> 01:34:58,080
but then having action items and

2375
01:34:58,080 --> 01:35:01,360
actionable items is is even better. So,

2376
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:03,120
I loved that we did this. So,

2377
01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:05,280
essentially this goal is to unify Alpine

2378
01:35:05,280 --> 01:35:07,920
stakeholders um through communication

2379
01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:10,480
and education to support the vision. So,

2380
01:35:10,480 --> 01:35:12,320
it's not just the residents, it's not

2381
01:35:12,320 --> 01:35:14,480
just the city staff. We have the Alpine

2382
01:35:14,480 --> 01:35:16,639
Irrigation Company. We have, you know,

2383
01:35:16,639 --> 01:35:19,199
the Forest Service borders our city. We

2384
01:35:19,199 --> 01:35:22,639
also have um, you know, Central Utah

2385
01:35:22,639 --> 01:35:26,480
Water. Um, we also, you know, Lehi uses

2386
01:35:26,480 --> 01:35:29,199
some of the water that surrounds our

2387
01:35:29,199 --> 01:35:31,199
city or is in within our city. So, it's

2388
01:35:31,199 --> 01:35:32,880
working collaboratively with all of

2389
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:35,840
those all of our neighbors for to help

2390
01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:38,480
us become more self-sufficient as well

2391
01:35:38,480 --> 01:35:41,600
as to see how we can help others become

2392
01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:44,400
more self-sufficient. So, part of the um

2393
01:35:44,400 --> 01:35:46,480
and I apologize if there are errors on

2394
01:35:46,480 --> 01:35:49,520
these slides. It is my fault. It's not

2395
01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:51,600
Councilwoman Hannah's or Steve's or

2396
01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:54,239
anyone else's. Um, so some of these

2397
01:35:54,239 --> 01:35:56,560
action steps that we took with goal one

2398
01:35:56,560 --> 01:35:59,040
was obviously it's going to require a

2399
01:35:59,040 --> 01:36:00,560
lot of collaboration and a lot of

2400
01:36:00,560 --> 01:36:02,560
communication. So that would include

2401
01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:05,760
with city staff, irrigation company, um,

2402
01:36:05,760 --> 01:36:08,320
elected appointed officials, um, and

2403
01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:10,320
others as needed. So that might also

2404
01:36:10,320 --> 01:36:12,719
mean Lehi city or the county

2405
01:36:12,719 --> 01:36:14,239
landscapers.

2406
01:36:14,239 --> 01:36:17,679
Um, so we put deadlines to each of these

2407
01:36:17,679 --> 01:36:23,760
goals and we developed um or assigned a lead person to kind of make sure that

2408
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:26,560
they are followed up with. Um, another

2409
01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:28,400
action step is just make sure that we're

2410
01:36:28,400 --> 01:36:30,080
partnering with the Alpine Irrigation

2411
01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:32,239
Company and that we're working in tandem

2412
01:36:32,239 --> 01:36:34,480
rather than working against each other.

2413
01:36:34,480 --> 01:36:37,760
Um, and then like I mentioned partnering

2414
01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:41,040
with Lehi. Um, one of the thoughts that

2415
01:36:41,040 --> 01:36:42,560
we had, which I don't know how likely

2416
01:36:42,560 --> 01:36:44,960
this is, is what if Grove Spring, you

2417
01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:46,560
know, is no longer accessible, we

2418
01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:49,199
learned that we also have access to well

2419
01:36:49,199 --> 01:36:50,960
water, but maybe there's some

2420
01:36:50,960 --> 01:36:52,400
conversations that we could also have

2421
01:36:52,400 --> 01:36:54,800
with Lehi with regards to utilizing more

2422
01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:58,480
water from Schoolhouse Springs. Um, and

2423
01:36:58,480 --> 01:37:01,199
then I love this one also. So part of

2424
01:37:01,199 --> 01:37:02,639
the collaboration is within the

2425
01:37:02,639 --> 01:37:06,800
community and um I have to give my hats

2426
01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:09,760
off to the water committee for so far

2427
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:12,960
we've had three community education

2428
01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:14,800
nights on water and they've all been

2429
01:37:14,800 --> 01:37:17,199
different. So even if you've come to one

2430
01:37:17,199 --> 01:37:18,480
that doesn't mean you shouldn't come to

2431
01:37:18,480 --> 01:37:20,800
the others because they're they're super

2432
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:23,360
educational and I think it's a great way

2433
01:37:23,360 --> 01:37:25,280
to learn more about water and just to be

2434
01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:28,400
inspired to do your part. Um and then

2435
01:37:28,400 --> 01:37:32,080
also we mentioned the forest service. Um

2436
01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:33,920
and then a part of that is what we're

2437
01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:36,080
doing tonight is we're presenting uh

2438
01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:38,400
we're reporting on our our workshop that

2439
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:40,880
we attended. And then also just it's

2440
01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:43,679
always good to follow up. So those are

2441
01:37:43,679 --> 01:37:46,880
in summary um part of the action items

2442
01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:57,189
for goal number one.

2443
01:37:57,199 --> 01:38:01,119
Okay, it's my turn. Um goal number two

2444
01:38:01,119 --> 01:38:04,960
is adopting policies and ordinances to I

2445
01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:08,080
believe Yeah. Yes, here we come. to

2446
01:38:08,080 --> 01:38:10,239
protect water resources and facilitate

2447
01:38:10,239 --> 01:38:13,119
responsible land use. I think um Steve

2448
01:38:13,119 --> 01:38:17,040
Rose mentioned that. Um since attending

2449
01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:19,760
this um conference, I've changed my

2450
01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:22,560
career and I'm now working for six water

2451
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:25,760
districts and uh each one is unique and

2452
01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:28,800
I've learned about the different ways um

2453
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:32,560
we provide water um different ways land

2454
01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:36,880
use impacts water. Um, it's been very

2455
01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:40,000
enlightening. So, this was a good drink

2456
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:41,600
of water, but I'm been drinking through

2457
01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:45,040
a fire hose about water. And, um, we're

2458
01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:46,800
in a good we're in a really good place

2459
01:38:46,800 --> 01:38:49,040
here in Alpine. I do want to say that

2460
01:38:49,040 --> 01:38:50,960
because we're at the headgates for the

2461
01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:54,239
river and our stream and our growth

2462
01:38:54,239 --> 01:38:58,400
spring. So, um, that's something I I I

2463
01:38:58,400 --> 01:39:01,199
feel like I I appreciate more and more,

2464
01:39:01,199 --> 01:39:02,880
um, as I learn more and more about

2465
01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:06,159
water. So let's um go to the next slide.

2466
01:39:06,159 --> 01:39:10,639
Um water as you know is um essential for

2467
01:39:10,639 --> 01:39:12,719
life. Let's go to the next one. We can

2468
01:39:12,719 --> 01:39:14,320
skip the next one. I already read that.

2469
01:39:14,320 --> 01:39:18,000
Okay. So I've been thinking about um the

2470
01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:21,679
our blue planet because uh without water

2471
01:39:21,679 --> 01:39:24,400
we couldn't live in this planet on this

2472
01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:27,280
planet or even in this particular city.

2473
01:39:27,280 --> 01:39:29,199
Um and so I found this rule of three.

2474
01:39:29,199 --> 01:39:31,119
You can live three minutes without air.

2475
01:39:31,119 --> 01:39:33,679
You can live 3 weeks without food, but

2476
01:39:33,679 --> 01:39:36,239
only three days without water. And so

2477
01:39:36,239 --> 01:39:37,840
that even though we're trying to do

2478
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:39,840
parks and we're trying to do alpine days

2479
01:39:39,840 --> 01:39:43,040
and we're trying to um keep, you know,

2480
01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:45,840
the streets from having potholes, like

2481
01:39:45,840 --> 01:39:47,600
none of us could really survive if we

2482
01:39:47,600 --> 01:39:49,840
weren't bringing water to our residents,

2483
01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:52,400
which tells me how important it is that

2484
01:39:52,400 --> 01:39:53,920
we get it right and that it's a

2485
01:39:53,920 --> 01:39:56,400
long-term strategy and that it's we're

2486
01:39:56,400 --> 01:39:59,280
resilient to the changes we're finding

2487
01:39:59,280 --> 01:40:02,000
um in our whether it's climate change or

2488
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:03,600
develop like how we're developing our

2489
01:40:03,600 --> 01:40:06,480
land. So, what? I didn't finish. I'm not

2490
01:40:06,480 --> 01:40:08,320
I don't have that great a memory. All

2491
01:40:08,320 --> 01:40:11,360
right. So, um we can I say today we can

2492
01:40:11,360 --> 01:40:13,520
fly to the moon and we can send instant

2493
01:40:13,520 --> 01:40:16,000
messages around the world and replace

2494
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:18,639
human organs, but yet we still haven't

2495
01:40:18,639 --> 01:40:20,800
figured out control the weather. We're

2496
01:40:20,800 --> 01:40:22,639
very dependent on mother nature in

2497
01:40:22,639 --> 01:40:25,840
partnership as Steve brought up to to

2498
01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:29,679
facilitate our lives really. And um we

2499
01:40:29,679 --> 01:40:31,440
are living in a modern miracle. Every

2500
01:40:31,440 --> 01:40:34,239
time we would pull turn on the tap um

2501
01:40:34,239 --> 01:40:37,840
and see clean water coming out or even

2502
01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:40,480
that we I have a I like Kentucky blueg

2503
01:40:40,480 --> 01:40:42,239
grass. It's growing in my yard, but

2504
01:40:42,239 --> 01:40:44,719
that's a miracle too because it wouldn't

2505
01:40:44,719 --> 01:40:47,360
be growing without water. So that was

2506
01:40:47,360 --> 01:40:49,119
just to tell you how important water is

2507
01:40:49,119 --> 01:40:52,400
to our quality of life. So here are some

2508
01:40:52,400 --> 01:40:54,560
um here here was our goal statement. We

2509
01:40:54,560 --> 01:40:56,560
need to adopt responsible land use

2510
01:40:56,560 --> 01:40:59,360
policies. And why? So we can protect

2511
01:40:59,360 --> 01:41:01,119
this valuable resource which is the

2512
01:41:01,119 --> 01:41:04,320
water. Um and facilitate responsible

2513
01:41:04,320 --> 01:41:08,000
land use. And the people who are

2514
01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:11,280
responsible for [snorts] ultimately for

2515
01:41:11,280 --> 01:41:14,719
uh this goal is the Alpine City Council

2516
01:41:14,719 --> 01:41:16,800
because we are the legislative arm of

2517
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:19,760
our city and that um we have experts

2518
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:23,280
among us um on staff and as mentioned

2519
01:41:23,280 --> 01:41:25,440
residents who can help us reach these

2520
01:41:25,440 --> 01:41:28,159
goals. So, here are some ideas of um

2521
01:41:28,159 --> 01:41:30,719
ways that ordinances affect water. So,

2522
01:41:30,719 --> 01:41:33,040
let's go through a few examples. Um we

2523
01:41:33,040 --> 01:41:35,280
can click on the next one just to

2524
01:41:35,280 --> 01:41:37,760
understand the full water cycle. Um if

2525
01:41:37,760 --> 01:41:39,760
you were like me growing up in the dark

2526
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:43,360
ages, water only existed um on top of

2527
01:41:43,360 --> 01:41:45,679
the ground and we could see it rain and

2528
01:41:45,679 --> 01:41:47,440
then go down in streams and hit the

2529
01:41:47,440 --> 01:41:49,440
ocean or the lakes and go back up again.

2530
01:41:49,440 --> 01:41:51,760
Well, there's a whole other cycle going

2531
01:41:51,760 --> 01:41:54,719
on underneath the ground. And that is

2532
01:41:54,719 --> 01:41:57,600
actually the most um valuable water,

2533
01:41:57,600 --> 01:41:59,920
drinking water, because it's naturally

2534
01:41:59,920 --> 01:42:03,280
filtrated by the um roots and the stones

2535
01:42:03,280 --> 01:42:05,119
and things like that. And it's also can

2536
01:42:05,119 --> 01:42:06,960
be stored for a long, long time

2537
01:42:06,960 --> 01:42:10,400
underground. And so that is why land is

2538
01:42:10,400 --> 01:42:13,920
so important to our water source. So, um

2539
01:42:13,920 --> 01:42:16,320
let's go to the next one. Here's our

2540
01:42:16,320 --> 01:42:18,159
goals. Um we could talk about a

2541
01:42:18,159 --> 01:42:20,400
landscape ordinance is the first thing.

2542
01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:23,040
Um and then we would once we have

2543
01:42:23,040 --> 01:42:25,520
ordinances then we could actually

2544
01:42:25,520 --> 01:42:29,679
implement um like a followup by uh by

2545
01:42:29,679 --> 01:42:31,920
when we issue landscape permits. Does it

2546
01:42:31,920 --> 01:42:33,920
include these elements that benefit our

2547
01:42:33,920 --> 01:42:36,880
underground water system? Um we'd have a

2548
01:42:36,880 --> 01:42:39,280
drought response with trigger points. um

2549
01:42:39,280 --> 01:42:41,119
in one of my six districts that I work

2550
01:42:41,119 --> 01:42:44,480
for um they're in a extreme drought and

2551
01:42:44,480 --> 01:42:47,679
their their water rates have drastically

2552
01:42:47,679 --> 01:42:51,119
um been raised so that people are uh

2553
01:42:51,119 --> 01:42:53,760
sensitive to the limited water that they

2554
01:42:53,760 --> 01:42:56,000
have in that area and it's working

2555
01:42:56,000 --> 01:42:57,840
because people I every day they call in

2556
01:42:57,840 --> 01:42:59,760
why is my water bill so high and and

2557
01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:01,440
every day they explain well we're in a

2558
01:43:01,440 --> 01:43:03,440
drought and they're like okay I got to

2559
01:43:03,440 --> 01:43:06,639
adapt. Um so I've seen that working in

2560
01:43:06,639 --> 01:43:11,199
real time. um revisit tiered rates. Um

2561
01:43:11,199 --> 01:43:13,280
we have rate structure, I mean a rate

2562
01:43:13,280 --> 01:43:15,440
study coming up, I think in September,

2563
01:43:15,440 --> 01:43:17,440
maybe Shane, I'd guessed at that

2564
01:43:17,440 --> 01:43:19,119
deadline when I was sitting in my June

2565
01:43:19,119 --> 01:43:20,880
conference, but maybe we'll have a rate

2566
01:43:20,880 --> 01:43:23,360
study. And again, my six water

2567
01:43:23,360 --> 01:43:25,600
districts, I think we have like 24 rate

2568
01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:27,679
studies coming because everything has to

2569
01:43:27,679 --> 01:43:29,119
change because of what we're dealing

2570
01:43:29,119 --> 01:43:33,280
with. Um tons of stuff. Anyways, that's

2571
01:43:33,280 --> 01:43:35,840
beside the point, but the rate structure

2572
01:43:35,840 --> 01:43:38,960
is there to help bring um awareness to

2573
01:43:38,960 --> 01:43:42,639
the to our residents and also facilitate

2574
01:43:42,639 --> 01:43:45,600
funding the infrastructure necessary for

2575
01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:49,360
water. So, it's it's a dual um process

2576
01:43:49,360 --> 01:43:52,400
and we're sensitive to what is the the

2577
01:43:52,400 --> 01:43:55,360
impact on the residents. Um and you'll

2578
01:43:55,360 --> 01:43:57,199
see that when we do the rate setting

2579
01:43:57,199 --> 01:44:00,080
September. So, um let's just talk about

2580
01:44:00,080 --> 01:44:02,560
a couple things here. the lock coverage.

2581
01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:04,960
Something again I've learned um when you

2582
01:44:04,960 --> 01:44:07,840
have high lot coverage, you don't have

2583
01:44:07,840 --> 01:44:08,719
enough [clears throat] permeable

2584
01:44:08,719 --> 01:44:11,199
surfaces that so that water can get into

2585
01:44:11,199 --> 01:44:13,760
the ground. And so um I've looked at

2586
01:44:13,760 --> 01:44:16,159
other cities. Uh Kaden and I have gone

2587
01:44:16,159 --> 01:44:17,920
through a couple of other cities that

2588
01:44:17,920 --> 01:44:20,320
have lot coverage requirements. Sorry,

2589
01:44:20,320 --> 01:44:22,000
stay up there. You're going a little

2590
01:44:22,000 --> 01:44:23,840
fast for me. I'm a long talker. Just

2591
01:44:23,840 --> 01:44:26,880
kidding. So anyways, um so that if we

2592
01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:30,320
only have asphalt like no water can get

2593
01:44:30,320 --> 01:44:32,639
down into the place that we need water

2594
01:44:32,639 --> 01:44:35,520
which is underground to store it where

2595
01:44:35,520 --> 01:44:37,920
that's our drinking water. We have wells

2596
01:44:37,920 --> 01:44:39,920
from like high elevation to low

2597
01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:42,800
elevation. So underground it's moving

2598
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:45,280
down to the lower elevations. So it

2599
01:44:45,280 --> 01:44:47,600
matters. It doesn't really matter just

2600
01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:49,920
what we're doing. Um it matters

2601
01:44:49,920 --> 01:44:52,639
everywhere. And then like I said, we're

2602
01:44:52,639 --> 01:44:54,400
the headgate. So even underground that

2603
01:44:54,400 --> 01:44:56,159
water is moving underground to other

2604
01:44:56,159 --> 01:44:58,480
places to other wells in American Fork

2605
01:44:58,480 --> 01:45:01,280
or further downstream from us. So we

2606
01:45:01,280 --> 01:45:04,960
have a big impact and um neighbor to

2607
01:45:04,960 --> 01:45:06,800
neighbor we can help other cities care

2608
01:45:06,800 --> 01:45:10,159
about lot coverage as well. Um here's

2609
01:45:10,159 --> 01:45:13,040
something again I've learned um about

2610
01:45:13,040 --> 01:45:16,320
the different forms of housing and we

2611
01:45:16,320 --> 01:45:17,920
right now we don't allow anything but

2612
01:45:17,920 --> 01:45:21,040
single family residents. So if we were

2613
01:45:21,040 --> 01:45:24,239
to adapt to the shrinking uh water

2614
01:45:24,239 --> 01:45:27,360
supply we have one way to adapt not the

2615
01:45:27,360 --> 01:45:29,440
only way but one way is to um increase

2616
01:45:29,440 --> 01:45:33,119
density by some factor and the state has

2617
01:45:33,119 --> 01:45:36,239
already mandated um accessory dwelling

2618
01:45:36,239 --> 01:45:39,199
units. So again um for the same amount

2619
01:45:39,199 --> 01:45:41,679
of land, the same amount of water, we

2620
01:45:41,679 --> 01:45:44,320
need to stretch it to to more households

2621
01:45:44,320 --> 01:45:46,320
if we're going to comply with the state

2622
01:45:46,320 --> 01:45:50,000
statute. So what they found over time um

2623
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:52,880
is that like I would compare Utah more

2624
01:45:52,880 --> 01:45:54,800
to Denver, Phoenix, and San Diego

2625
01:45:54,800 --> 01:45:57,040
because if you New York, you know, they

2626
01:45:57,040 --> 01:45:58,719
have they have a completely different

2627
01:45:58,719 --> 01:46:01,840
climate and so does um Florida. So in

2628
01:46:01,840 --> 01:46:06,639
Denver, which I think is the closest if you only do single family homes, um

2629
01:46:06,639 --> 01:46:08,480
you're going to use twice as much water

2630
01:46:08,480 --> 01:46:11,360
per unit as if you um had multifamily

2631
01:46:11,360 --> 01:46:14,000
homes. And this is a composite. It's not

2632
01:46:14,000 --> 01:46:15,920
just talking about high density. This is

2633
01:46:15,920 --> 01:46:17,760
a very long report but I don't want to

2634
01:46:17,760 --> 01:46:19,119
bore you with it. So let's go to the

2635
01:46:19,119 --> 01:46:22,960
next page. So how we um decide to to

2636
01:46:22,960 --> 01:46:26,880
allow density in the city is affects our

2637
01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:29,199
water which I didn't understand that at

2638
01:46:29,199 --> 01:46:31,920
all when I started this process in June.

2639
01:46:31,920 --> 01:46:34,480
Um here what about the importance of

2640
01:46:34,480 --> 01:46:36,320
trees? We've talked about mature trees

2641
01:46:36,320 --> 01:46:38,880
tonight right here on our alpine city.

2642
01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:41,280
But there they do provide shade which

2643
01:46:41,280 --> 01:46:43,199
cools the temperature of everything

2644
01:46:43,199 --> 01:46:46,239
around us. So, if you have a street

2645
01:46:46,239 --> 01:46:50,000
that's um in the sun on the top picture

2646
01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:53,440
without trees, it's much hotter. 56 50

2647
01:46:53,440 --> 01:46:55,600
degrees Celsius. So, this must have come

2648
01:46:55,600 --> 01:46:57,280
from Europe or Canada because it's not

2649
01:46:57,280 --> 01:46:59,840
in Fahrenheit. But anyways, versus 26

2650
01:46:59,840 --> 01:47:01,280
degrees. So, almost twice the

2651
01:47:01,280 --> 01:47:03,600
temperature. And then over here, um,

2652
01:47:03,600 --> 01:47:06,480
when we do choose landscaping, what they

2653
01:47:06,480 --> 01:47:08,320
found is, um, the places that have gone

2654
01:47:08,320 --> 01:47:11,920
to zeroscaping that use no water, um, it

2655
01:47:11,920 --> 01:47:14,080
actually creates a h a hotter

2656
01:47:14,080 --> 01:47:16,639
environment and it makes it actually

2657
01:47:16,639 --> 01:47:19,920
harder on the humans and the animals and

2658
01:47:19,920 --> 01:47:21,840
any plants that are trying to survive in

2659
01:47:21,840 --> 01:47:25,040
this much um artificial like basically

2660
01:47:25,040 --> 01:47:30,000
an artificial heat zone. Also, um the um

2661
01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:33,360
the any water that lands in that kind of

2662
01:47:33,360 --> 01:47:36,239
heat doesn't really penetrate down very

2663
01:47:36,239 --> 01:47:39,040
far because the the ground is just like

2664
01:47:39,040 --> 01:47:41,760
hard. And so um then we go to our

2665
01:47:41,760 --> 01:47:45,040
traditional grass, the turf, and that is

2666
01:47:45,040 --> 01:47:47,440
um a high water use, very high water

2667
01:47:47,440 --> 01:47:51,360
use. It does cool the areas though. And

2668
01:47:51,360 --> 01:47:55,920
um but uh overall the best way to for

2669
01:47:55,920 --> 01:47:58,639
water at least is so you can see the

2670
01:47:58,639 --> 01:48:00,560
empty drop of water, the full drop of

2671
01:48:00,560 --> 01:48:02,400
water and then the half it uses half as

2672
01:48:02,400 --> 01:48:07,280
much. This is very you know um rounding

2673
01:48:07,280 --> 01:48:09,119
half as much water and it's still

2674
01:48:09,119 --> 01:48:11,280
beautiful. And then what we've learned

2675
01:48:11,280 --> 01:48:13,520
is like the state and all their

2676
01:48:13,520 --> 01:48:15,199
landscape replacement programs, they

2677
01:48:15,199 --> 01:48:17,040
don't encourage rock. They really want

2678
01:48:17,040 --> 01:48:19,360
us to use mulch because it retains

2679
01:48:19,360 --> 01:48:22,880
moisture. It keeps um the roots cool for

2680
01:48:22,880 --> 01:48:25,360
any plants you do have. So all those

2681
01:48:25,360 --> 01:48:27,679
kinds of things could go into into a

2682
01:48:27,679 --> 01:48:30,320
landscape ordinance to encourage um

2683
01:48:30,320 --> 01:48:32,880
certain types of things or mandate

2684
01:48:32,880 --> 01:48:35,360
certain certain things um where

2685
01:48:35,360 --> 01:48:40,080
possible. Something to think about. Um

2686
01:48:40,080 --> 01:48:42,560
another issue that has come up um

2687
01:48:42,560 --> 01:48:45,360
recently is uh our repairarium buffers.

2688
01:48:45,360 --> 01:48:50,719
We do have two major well not major streams not major rivers but

2689
01:48:50,719 --> 01:48:53,119
definitely a streams um dry creek and

2690
01:48:53,119 --> 01:48:56,320
fort creek and all around are they have

2691
01:48:56,320 --> 01:49:00,480
um vegetation growing that you can see

2692
01:49:00,480 --> 01:49:02,159
the water is not they're not just

2693
01:49:02,159 --> 01:49:05,360
getting water from the rain or from the

2694
01:49:05,360 --> 01:49:07,440
river itself. But if you go and tap down

2695
01:49:07,440 --> 01:49:09,520
into the underground, underneath the

2696
01:49:09,520 --> 01:49:12,800
ground, that stream is, you know, it it

2697
01:49:12,800 --> 01:49:14,320
if you ever look at the stream bed, it's

2698
01:49:14,320 --> 01:49:16,239
full of boulders. So, it's definitely

2699
01:49:16,239 --> 01:49:18,960
porous and the water goes out and can

2700
01:49:18,960 --> 01:49:22,239
get to the um roots of these trees. And

2701
01:49:22,239 --> 01:49:25,679
so, um this has become more everyone's

2702
01:49:25,679 --> 01:49:27,280
become more aware of how important it is

2703
01:49:27,280 --> 01:49:30,320
to have a repairarian buffer. And we

2704
01:49:30,320 --> 01:49:34,560
don't have to decide or dream up how to create the ordinance because

2705
01:49:34,560 --> 01:49:36,320
there's actually a guide for city

2706
01:49:36,320 --> 01:49:38,639
planners across the state of Utah. We

2707
01:49:38,639 --> 01:49:43,520
can just pluck that out of that book and approve it next month. Who's who's

2708
01:49:43,520 --> 01:49:45,360
for approving that?

2709
01:49:45,360 --> 01:49:49,360
>> Okay, that was a joke. Okay, but I am.

2710
01:49:49,360 --> 01:49:53,040
Okay. Lastly, um uh Sarah mentioned our

2711
01:49:53,040 --> 01:49:55,600
watershed. Um maybe you've you've

2712
01:49:55,600 --> 01:49:58,320
watched or heard about um or seen signs

2713
01:49:58,320 --> 01:50:00,159
if you if you go hiking in the

2714
01:50:00,159 --> 01:50:02,320
Cottonwood both little and big

2715
01:50:02,320 --> 01:50:04,639
Cottonwood canyons about the watershed

2716
01:50:04,639 --> 01:50:06,639
that that is a watershed for drinking

2717
01:50:06,639 --> 01:50:09,040
water. And so we can't have dogs off

2718
01:50:09,040 --> 01:50:12,480
leash. We can't um do you know obviously

2719
01:50:12,480 --> 01:50:14,400
no human waste, right? That type of

2720
01:50:14,400 --> 01:50:18,159
thing which would um which would poison

2721
01:50:18,159 --> 01:50:20,719
um the water. And so we also have a

2722
01:50:20,719 --> 01:50:23,520
watershed. If you look at this map from

2723
01:50:23,520 --> 01:50:26,560
my inexperienced reading of the

2724
01:50:26,560 --> 01:50:28,560
watershed, um I think we're in the Lone

2725
01:50:28,560 --> 01:50:30,719
Peak Wilderness Watershed because our

2726
01:50:30,719 --> 01:50:32,239
mountains like kind of come down right

2727
01:50:32,239 --> 01:50:35,040
here to Alpine and I don't know what

2728
01:50:35,040 --> 01:50:37,440
restrictions or signage or like what's

2729
01:50:37,440 --> 01:50:40,239
happening up there. I do know um we do

2730
01:50:40,239 --> 01:50:42,480
have some limitations. We used to go up

2731
01:50:42,480 --> 01:50:44,719
to first and second Hamag. Some of

2732
01:50:44,719 --> 01:50:46,480
that's been cut off because of the

2733
01:50:46,480 --> 01:50:49,040
watershed issue. So, is that a matter of

2734
01:50:49,040 --> 01:50:50,800
educating residents so we can continue

2735
01:50:50,800 --> 01:50:52,800
to be in our wilderness area without,

2736
01:50:52,800 --> 01:50:54,320
you know, using the water or I mean

2737
01:50:54,320 --> 01:50:56,719
poisoning our water? Um, I don't know

2738
01:50:56,719 --> 01:50:59,360
what it would take. It's new information

2739
01:50:59,360 --> 01:51:02,400
just as of June. So, things to consider.

2740
01:51:02,400 --> 01:51:06,159
Let's go to the next one. Okay. So, all

2741
01:51:06,159 --> 01:51:08,880
of this is really to to really our

2742
01:51:08,880 --> 01:51:11,280
desired outcome is to have a sustainable

2743
01:51:11,280 --> 01:51:14,000
and resilient policies and ordinances

2744
01:51:14,000 --> 01:51:17,199
that will outlive us. So that um when we

2745
01:51:17,199 --> 01:51:20,239
talk about 2050 or 2100 that the water

2746
01:51:20,239 --> 01:51:22,480
sources of the alpine area have been

2747
01:51:22,480 --> 01:51:25,199
preserved, protected and um are

2748
01:51:25,199 --> 01:51:27,520
resilient to the the changes that we're

2749
01:51:27,520 --> 01:51:31,040
seeing. And that is our ambition. You

2750
01:51:31,040 --> 01:51:34,000
can um go to the next one. So that I

2751
01:51:34,000 --> 01:51:35,040
didn't know if we were going to do study

2752
01:51:35,040 --> 01:51:37,199
session. We can we can skip that. We're

2753
01:51:37,199 --> 01:51:39,360
not going to take three minutes. You can

2754
01:51:39,360 --> 01:51:43,119
move on to the next one. Okay. So, just

2755
01:51:43,119 --> 01:51:45,199
a reminder, um, we'll get to goal number

2756
01:51:45,199 --> 01:51:47,199
three, but we can only go three days

2757
01:51:47,199 --> 01:51:49,360
without water. So, it's one of the most

2758
01:51:49,360 --> 01:51:51,840
important things we do is provide clean

2759
01:51:51,840 --> 01:51:55,040
water. Not just for us, but as our our

2760
01:51:55,040 --> 01:51:58,400
um our artists here talked about, we

2761
01:51:58,400 --> 01:52:01,040
have a future to prepare for. And the

2762
01:52:01,040 --> 01:52:02,960
future is not something that you enter,

2763
01:52:02,960 --> 01:52:09,430
it's something you create.

2764
01:52:09,440 --> 01:52:11,360
» Thank you, Council Member Haniman. That

2765
01:52:11,360 --> 01:52:15,119
was that was great.

2766
01:52:15,119 --> 01:52:17,360
I'm not long-winded, so this is going to

2767
01:52:17,360 --> 01:52:20,800
be quick. Um, so our goal three here, as

2768
01:52:20,800 --> 01:52:23,040
you can see up on the screen, developing

2769
01:52:23,040 --> 01:52:25,119
and maintaining infrastructure to

2770
01:52:25,119 --> 01:52:27,119
prepare the city for growth, correct

2771
01:52:27,119 --> 01:52:29,679
water system deficiencies,

2772
01:52:29,679 --> 01:52:31,440
um, and ensure water system

2773
01:52:31,440 --> 01:52:33,920
redundancies. Um, and some of the things

2774
01:52:33,920 --> 01:52:36,880
we kind of discuss with on this is stuff

2775
01:52:36,880 --> 01:52:40,480
we are currently doing. we um have

2776
01:52:40,480 --> 01:52:43,440
studies that have been completed um and

2777
01:52:43,440 --> 01:52:46,000
we will continue to do those as we plan

2778
01:52:46,000 --> 01:52:50,320
for 2050 or 2100. Um

2779
01:52:50,320 --> 01:52:52,800
and then in those studies we there's

2780
01:52:52,800 --> 01:52:56,159
always recommendations to how we prepare

2781
01:52:56,159 --> 01:52:59,280
for growth and what we need to do to

2782
01:52:59,280 --> 01:53:02,400
correct system deficiencies. Um, one

2783
01:53:02,400 --> 01:53:06,320
thing we we discussed in our conference

2784
01:53:06,320 --> 01:53:09,520
was ensure water system redundancies.

2785
01:53:09,520 --> 01:53:12,800
Um, the way the city sits now, most of

2786
01:53:12,800 --> 01:53:15,760
our drinking water comes from a spring

2787
01:53:15,760 --> 01:53:20,000
and if that spring were to ever dry up,

2788
01:53:20,000 --> 01:53:22,080
where are we getting our water? So, that

2789
01:53:22,080 --> 01:53:23,920
is some of the planning that we we

2790
01:53:23,920 --> 01:53:25,920
wanted to discuss and we want to plan

2791
01:53:25,920 --> 01:53:29,199
for. Um, another thing that was kind of

2792
01:53:29,199 --> 01:53:32,800
brought up in this scenario was working

2793
01:53:32,800 --> 01:53:35,679
with residents, not just city staff, and

2794
01:53:35,679 --> 01:53:37,760
figuring this out. What do the residents

2795
01:53:37,760 --> 01:53:40,880
want to do, excuse me, want to do? Um,

2796
01:53:40,880 --> 01:53:43,760
and the outcome that we hope to ensure

2797
01:53:43,760 --> 01:53:46,400
reliable sources for our culinary

2798
01:53:46,400 --> 01:53:49,440
system, our drinking water, and our

2799
01:53:49,440 --> 01:53:52,800
pressurized irrigation system for our

2800
01:53:52,800 --> 01:53:55,119
current population and future go growth.

2801
01:53:55,119 --> 01:53:57,360
So Kaden can Oh, you're on to the next p

2802
01:53:57,360 --> 01:54:00,880
next slide there. So um one of the

2803
01:54:00,880 --> 01:54:04,560
things that we discussed was having a

2804
01:54:04,560 --> 01:54:07,360
more robust SCADA system and I don't

2805
01:54:07,360 --> 01:54:09,040
know if anyone here knows what SCADA

2806
01:54:09,040 --> 01:54:11,520
means. So that's supervisory control and

2807
01:54:11,520 --> 01:54:14,639
data acquisition. So that's basically

2808
01:54:14,639 --> 01:54:17,760
software and hardware that is used to

2809
01:54:17,760 --> 01:54:19,280
monitor

2810
01:54:19,280 --> 01:54:22,159
um gather and control critical

2811
01:54:22,159 --> 01:54:25,119
infrastructure. So it's just using the

2812
01:54:25,119 --> 01:54:26,639
data that we can get from our

2813
01:54:26,639 --> 01:54:28,320
infrastructure and then planning around

2814
01:54:28,320 --> 01:54:32,239
it. Um so a couple of the things that we

2815
01:54:32,239 --> 01:54:34,800
wanted to do was figure out where we're

2816
01:54:34,800 --> 01:54:37,360
sitting and we we realized after this

2817
01:54:37,360 --> 01:54:40,639
conference that we were we had some bugs

2818
01:54:40,639 --> 01:54:45,679
in the system. So James who came with us

2819
01:54:45,679 --> 01:54:48,480
to this conference um he's part of the

2820
01:54:48,480 --> 01:54:50,880
water department and and is working with

2821
01:54:50,880 --> 01:54:54,080
our water group and they have found like

2822
01:54:54,080 --> 01:54:55,679
I said they found some bugs so they have

2823
01:54:55,679 --> 01:54:58,000
repaired those already and fixed those I

2824
01:54:58,000 --> 01:55:00,080
should say bugs bugs in the system

2825
01:55:00,080 --> 01:55:01,679
issues in the system and so they've

2826
01:55:01,679 --> 01:55:03,199
worked through that and we want to

2827
01:55:03,199 --> 01:55:06,080
continue doing that. Um,

2828
01:55:06,080 --> 01:55:07,920
the other thing here was, uh, the

2829
01:55:07,920 --> 01:55:11,119
Heritage Well and getting a bond for

2830
01:55:11,119 --> 01:55:13,360
that. And I know we've been discussing

2831
01:55:13,360 --> 01:55:16,400
the bond and and that it'll go through

2832
01:55:16,400 --> 01:55:19,520
in the next however long, as long as it

2833
01:55:19,520 --> 01:55:23,760
takes. So, um, that's all I've got. Uh,

2834
01:55:23,760 --> 01:55:26,639
one other last thing is we were given

2835
01:55:26,639 --> 01:55:28,719
some reading materials,

2836
01:55:28,719 --> 01:55:31,040
uh, up there. So if anyone wants them,

2837
01:55:31,040 --> 01:55:32,639
we've got a whole lot of information

2838
01:55:32,639 --> 01:55:34,320
that we were given up at this

2839
01:55:34,320 --> 01:55:35,840
conference. So if anyone wants to see

2840
01:55:35,840 --> 01:55:38,080
those, we have them.

2841
01:55:38,080 --> 01:55:44,709
That's it for me. Thanks.

2842
01:55:44,719 --> 01:55:46,960
» Um just one note on those on those

2843
01:55:46,960 --> 01:55:48,960
resources that we have. Um this was

2844
01:55:48,960 --> 01:55:51,920
actually Councilwoman Henman's idea is

2845
01:55:51,920 --> 01:55:54,800
um we also have other books I know in

2846
01:55:54,800 --> 01:55:57,040
Kaden's office. I borrowed one on like

2847
01:55:57,040 --> 01:56:00,320
zoning and ordinances. Anyway, um we

2848
01:56:00,320 --> 01:56:03,280
would love to be able to um allow the

2849
01:56:03,280 --> 01:56:04,960
public to use these resources. One of

2850
01:56:04,960 --> 01:56:07,040
the ones that I found interesting was

2851
01:56:07,040 --> 01:56:09,760
just this, you know, recommended plant

2852
01:56:09,760 --> 01:56:12,400
groupings for low water landscapes.

2853
01:56:12,400 --> 01:56:14,639
Anyway, um there's a bunch of just

2854
01:56:14,639 --> 01:56:16,480
resources here. So, if residents would

2855
01:56:16,480 --> 01:56:17,760
like to use them, we'd like to leave

2856
01:56:17,760 --> 01:56:19,760
them in the office of the city building.

2857
01:56:19,760 --> 01:56:22,080
So,

2858
01:56:22,080 --> 01:56:23,599
>> thank you very much, Steve, and your

2859
01:56:23,599 --> 01:56:25,119
fellow committee members. Really

2860
01:56:25,119 --> 01:56:26,320
appreciate all you're doing. you guys

2861
01:56:26,320 --> 01:56:29,040
are putting in such time and effort and

2862
01:56:29,040 --> 01:56:31,840
learning and sharing. Thank you so much

2863
01:56:31,840 --> 01:56:34,159
Sarah and Chrissy as well for heading

2864
01:56:34,159 --> 01:56:35,679
this up and for all your time and

2865
01:56:35,679 --> 01:56:37,520
commitment to this. This is excellent.

2866
01:56:37,520 --> 01:56:39,679
And Jason, thank you very much. In the

2867
01:56:39,679 --> 01:56:42,159
interest of time, I suggest that we if

2868
01:56:42,159 --> 01:56:44,480
you have any questions or thoughts on

2869
01:56:44,480 --> 01:56:46,400
the presentation on this on things going

2870
01:56:46,400 --> 01:56:48,400
forward. This is not an action item, so

2871
01:56:48,400 --> 01:56:50,560
I think we can discuss it outside of the

2872
01:56:50,560 --> 01:56:53,280
council meeting and um if it needs to be

2873
01:56:53,280 --> 01:56:54,560
brought up at a future meeting, we can

2874
01:56:54,560 --> 01:56:56,480
do so. Is that all right?

2875
01:56:56,480 --> 01:56:58,080
>> Excellent. Thank you very much. All

2876
01:56:58,080 --> 01:57:00,320
right, we'll move on to reports and

2877
01:57:00,320 --> 01:57:03,840
presentations. Item D, revenue overview

2878
01:57:03,840 --> 01:57:07,280
with Council Member Hanimman.

2879
01:57:07,280 --> 01:57:09,520
>> I'm handing out these little budget

2880
01:57:09,520 --> 01:57:15,440
booklets. Oh, she has her own. Okay. Um,

2881
01:57:15,440 --> 01:57:17,679
we have extras if anyone wants to follow

2882
01:57:17,679 --> 01:57:21,830
along.

2883
01:57:21,840 --> 01:57:25,440
I'll talk. Yeah, she's my able assistant

2884
01:57:25,440 --> 01:57:27,760
here. If you're interested, um let's

2885
01:57:27,760 --> 01:57:30,719
just put them like on the front seat.

2886
01:57:30,719 --> 01:57:33,199
>> And and this goes to walk around and

2887
01:57:33,199 --> 01:57:35,679
give it to Shane and some over there.

2888
01:57:35,679 --> 01:57:38,361
Okay. Um

2889
01:57:38,361 --> 01:57:40,880
[clears throat] this little booklet is

2890
01:57:40,880 --> 01:57:43,840
only this big, but it has some really

2891
01:57:43,840 --> 01:57:47,280
important things that um we as elected

2892
01:57:47,280 --> 01:57:48,960
officials need to understand about our

2893
01:57:48,960 --> 01:57:52,719
budgeting process. And um I feel like uh

2894
01:57:52,719 --> 01:57:55,679
one of the things that we just completed

2895
01:57:55,679 --> 01:57:57,440
our budgeting process. If you've been

2896
01:57:57,440 --> 01:58:00,080
through all of that um with us, thank

2897
01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:05,119
you for attending. But um if we if we

2898
01:58:05,119 --> 01:58:07,679
tried to learn everything like from May

2899
01:58:07,679 --> 01:58:09,679
to June when we actually have to approve

2900
01:58:09,679 --> 01:58:11,920
it, we we would miss a lot. So I'm

2901
01:58:11,920 --> 01:58:14,000
trying to stretch out some budgeting

2902
01:58:14,000 --> 01:58:17,840
concepts starting in July. Wow. We're

2903
01:58:17,840 --> 01:58:20,639
like uh 11 months ahead of schedule. So

2904
01:58:20,639 --> 01:58:22,880
anyways, um as a water as a water

2905
01:58:22,880 --> 01:58:26,000
committee, as a finance committee, we

2906
01:58:26,000 --> 01:58:28,960
have um Shane that serves and then

2907
01:58:28,960 --> 01:58:31,520
Kaden's been joining us. And then we

2908
01:58:31,520 --> 01:58:35,199
have um Carrie Smith. He's a CPA also in

2909
01:58:35,199 --> 01:58:37,520
the private and the public sector. We

2910
01:58:37,520 --> 01:58:40,320
have Dave Sanderson who's our finance

2911
01:58:40,320 --> 01:58:42,800
director, but he's um like an

2912
01:58:42,800 --> 01:58:46,080
consultant. And then we have another uh

2913
01:58:46,080 --> 01:58:51,599
citizen um Steve King. And we we learn

2914
01:58:51,599 --> 01:58:53,920
about things and then we've reached the

2915
01:58:53,920 --> 01:58:55,440
point where we felt like the most

2916
01:58:55,440 --> 01:58:57,199
important people that need to understand

2917
01:58:57,199 --> 01:58:59,599
this are the people that are sitting in

2918
01:58:59,599 --> 01:59:01,520
these chairs. And where's my Andrew when

2919
01:59:01,520 --> 01:59:04,800
I need him? There he is. Oh, hi.

2920
01:59:04,800 --> 01:59:06,239
>> Okay.

2921
01:59:06,239 --> 01:59:08,080
>> All that water talk made you thirsty.

2922
01:59:08,080 --> 01:59:10,480
Okay. So, we're sitting in these chairs

2923
01:59:10,480 --> 01:59:11,599
because we thought, what do we need to

2924
01:59:11,599 --> 01:59:13,760
do? Should we do a news article? what

2925
01:59:13,760 --> 01:59:15,920
should we do to talk about revenue? Um

2926
01:59:15,920 --> 01:59:17,520
that was our original plan was just put

2927
01:59:17,520 --> 01:59:19,199
this into the newsletter and it would

2928
01:59:19,199 --> 01:59:21,199
educate you know all our residents but

2929
01:59:21,199 --> 01:59:22,960
we realized we needed to start here at

2930
01:59:22,960 --> 01:59:27,040
the top. So um this is a presentation

2931
01:59:27,040 --> 01:59:30,080
just strictly on revenue. So it we are

2932
01:59:30,080 --> 01:59:31,920
not going to talk about anything but

2933
01:59:31,920 --> 01:59:35,040
revenue. We're also not going to um talk

2934
01:59:35,040 --> 01:59:37,360
about what we would call um uh

2935
01:59:37,360 --> 01:59:39,920
enterprise funds or our like the

2936
01:59:39,920 --> 01:59:41,920
utilities even though we just started

2937
01:59:41,920 --> 01:59:44,639
left the water topic because they they

2938
01:59:44,639 --> 01:59:48,239
operate differently and so um there's no

2939
01:59:48,239 --> 01:59:52,639
taxing authority at all and so there's just it's just structured

2940
01:59:52,639 --> 01:59:55,599
differently um and so I don't want to

2941
01:59:55,599 --> 01:59:57,920
over complicate things so we're going to

2942
01:59:57,920 --> 02:00:00,800
keep it simple and just talk about taxes

2943
02:00:00,800 --> 02:00:02,639
and how they impact the general fund.

2944
02:00:02,639 --> 02:00:05,280
and along with fees. Okay, let's go to

2945
02:00:05,280 --> 02:00:08,159
the next slide. Thank you. All right, so

2946
02:00:08,159 --> 02:00:10,880
here this is from our 2025 um citizen

2947
02:00:10,880 --> 02:00:13,679
budget and it shows all the revenues uh

2948
02:00:13,679 --> 02:00:15,760
in our general fund only. You can see

2949
02:00:15,760 --> 02:00:17,840
that general fund revenue right going

2950
02:00:17,840 --> 02:00:20,480
across the top. And so these are our

2951
02:00:20,480 --> 02:00:23,040
reoccurring funds that come in on a um

2952
02:00:23,040 --> 02:00:26,159
year after year. And uh the three

2953
02:00:26,159 --> 02:00:28,239
biggest ones are sales tax, property

2954
02:00:28,239 --> 02:00:33,679
tax, and fees. And um often our budget

2955
02:00:33,679 --> 02:00:35,920
is augmented by one-time money and

2956
02:00:35,920 --> 02:00:38,239
that's like how we're going to pay for

2957
02:00:38,239 --> 02:00:40,480
um like the Canyon Crest improvement

2958
02:00:40,480 --> 02:00:42,800
with the MAG grant. How we paid for I

2959
02:00:42,800 --> 02:00:45,280
think our landscape design was a grant.

2960
02:00:45,280 --> 02:00:47,920
Was that not Shane our our landscape

2961
02:00:47,920 --> 02:00:49,440
consultant or did was that our own

2962
02:00:49,440 --> 02:00:49,920
funding?

2963
02:00:49,920 --> 02:00:51,840
>> That's actually through impact fees.

2964
02:00:51,840 --> 02:00:53,920
>> Okay. We're using impact fees again.

2965
02:00:53,920 --> 02:00:56,560
Impact fees are onetime money. once the

2966
02:00:56,560 --> 02:00:59,280
lot is built is that we never collect

2967
02:00:59,280 --> 02:01:02,080
again. That that's just how it goes. Um

2968
02:01:02,080 --> 02:01:04,320
we also can get transfers in from other

2969
02:01:04,320 --> 02:01:06,800
places um like when we're building the

2970
02:01:06,800 --> 02:01:08,719
fire station, everything will go out

2971
02:01:08,719 --> 02:01:11,360
through the general fund or we can you

2972
02:01:11,360 --> 02:01:14,159
know we can transfer it um for a future

2973
02:01:14,159 --> 02:01:17,280
use um for other things. Another thing

2974
02:01:17,280 --> 02:01:19,520
that happened um we got some money from

2975
02:01:19,520 --> 02:01:21,440
the federal government because of COVID

2976
02:01:21,440 --> 02:01:23,119
which is called ARPA. Can't remember

2977
02:01:23,119 --> 02:01:24,719
what it stands for anymore but it was

2978
02:01:24,719 --> 02:01:28,159
ARPA funds. Okay, keep going. One time.

2979
02:01:28,159 --> 02:01:30,719
So, you should not pay for one

2980
02:01:30,719 --> 02:01:33,119
uh reoccurring expenses with one-time

2981
02:01:33,119 --> 02:01:34,880
money. That's a general financial

2982
02:01:34,880 --> 02:01:37,280
principle. So, we have to look at what

2983
02:01:37,280 --> 02:01:39,360
are our reoccurring revenues and that's

2984
02:01:39,360 --> 02:01:42,239
what going to be the focus of today. Um

2985
02:01:42,239 --> 02:01:44,480
is the first one is going to be sales

2986
02:01:44,480 --> 02:01:46,880
tax. This is a general discussion and

2987
02:01:46,880 --> 02:01:48,239
then we're going to go right directly to

2988
02:01:48,239 --> 02:01:51,119
Alpine. So generally sales tax is the

2989
02:01:51,119 --> 02:01:54,560
largest uh revenue source for a city but

2990
02:01:54,560 --> 02:01:57,119
um not but and let me just read if you

2991
02:01:57,119 --> 02:01:59,679
read on page 25 following along if

2992
02:01:59,679 --> 02:02:02,239
you're interested um the sales and use

2993
02:02:02,239 --> 02:02:04,480
taxes are taxed on most goods and some

2994
02:02:04,480 --> 02:02:06,960
services. Sales tax applies when a

2995
02:02:06,960 --> 02:02:08,880
purchase is made inside the state and

2996
02:02:08,880 --> 02:02:11,040
when shipped from outside the state.

2997
02:02:11,040 --> 02:02:14,320
Municipalities uh rate and set the is

2998
02:02:14,320 --> 02:02:15,920
set by the legislature and

2999
02:02:15,920 --> 02:02:19,440
municipalities is only 1%. So if our

3000
02:02:19,440 --> 02:02:23,599
full tax rate over there is 745%

3001
02:02:23,599 --> 02:02:26,239
we get 1%. In addition you can

3002
02:02:26,239 --> 02:02:28,480
optionally add a few other things and we

3003
02:02:28,480 --> 02:02:31,119
added have chosen to do the park tax um

3004
02:02:31,119 --> 02:02:34,000
in this state which is I think just.1%.

3005
02:02:34,000 --> 02:02:37,520
It's later in this slide. Okay. Um sign

3006
02:02:37,520 --> 02:02:40,960
there was a significant um

3007
02:02:40,960 --> 02:02:44,960
change in 2018. I was um in school and I

3008
02:02:44,960 --> 02:02:48,239
learned about it uh learning about taxes

3009
02:02:48,239 --> 02:02:51,119
and it changed the way uh taxes sales

3010
02:02:51,119 --> 02:02:53,679
taxes collected from outside of our own

3011
02:02:53,679 --> 02:02:56,639
state. Prior to 2018, if you bought

3012
02:02:56,639 --> 02:02:58,159
something from another state, you didn't

3013
02:02:58,159 --> 02:03:00,239
pay sales tax. So, there was some

3014
02:03:00,239 --> 02:03:02,800
advantage to buying things from another

3015
02:03:02,800 --> 02:03:05,520
state. Um, and for whatever reason, I

3016
02:03:05,520 --> 02:03:07,040
don't know the legal arguments, but the

3017
02:03:07,040 --> 02:03:09,679
Supreme Court said, "No, you you should

3018
02:03:09,679 --> 02:03:12,400
te collect local sales tax on, you know,

3019
02:03:12,400 --> 02:03:14,400
the behalf of our municipalities, even

3020
02:03:14,400 --> 02:03:16,639
if you're shipping from out of state."

3021
02:03:16,639 --> 02:03:19,440
So, um, this ruling significantly

3022
02:03:19,440 --> 02:03:21,599
boosted local government budgets by

3023
02:03:21,599 --> 02:03:23,599
capturing long-lost revenues from the

3024
02:03:23,599 --> 02:03:25,920
e-commerce boom. So, that happened in

3025
02:03:25,920 --> 02:03:29,360
2018. Well, what happened in 2019, 2020?

3026
02:03:29,360 --> 02:03:31,360
Who knows? Anyone?

3027
02:03:31,360 --> 02:03:32,000
>> Co.

3028
02:03:32,000 --> 02:03:36,639
So that again gave a huge boost to

3029
02:03:36,639 --> 02:03:39,199
the e-commerce world that changed the

3030
02:03:39,199 --> 02:03:41,920
dynamics of our city significantly. So

3031
02:03:41,920 --> 02:03:44,320
let's go on to the next one. We will see

3032
02:03:44,320 --> 02:03:46,880
we will and that's your that's just

3033
02:03:46,880 --> 02:03:48,320
that's to hold your breath. We're going

3034
02:03:48,320 --> 02:03:50,320
to talk about that. What about property

3035
02:03:50,320 --> 02:03:52,400
tax? Generally it's the second largest

3036
02:03:52,400 --> 02:03:54,639
source of revenue in a local city in the

3037
02:03:54,639 --> 02:03:58,159
state of Utah. Um it's it's a tax based

3038
02:03:58,159 --> 02:04:00,560
on the value of real property and it

3039
02:04:00,560 --> 02:04:03,119
provides the most stable and predictable

3040
02:04:03,119 --> 02:04:06,400
source of revenue for our general fund

3041
02:04:06,400 --> 02:04:09,199
um for reoccurring costs. The only

3042
02:04:09,199 --> 02:04:10,880
source that and it's also the only

3043
02:04:10,880 --> 02:04:12,960
source that is 100% controlled by the

3044
02:04:12,960 --> 02:04:15,599
council. The certified rate is designed

3045
02:04:15,599 --> 02:04:17,199
to give the city the same amount of

3046
02:04:17,199 --> 02:04:19,360
revenue as the previous year plus new

3047
02:04:19,360 --> 02:04:22,239
properties which we will talk about. So,

3048
02:04:22,239 --> 02:04:26,320
um unlike sales tax, sales tax will grow

3049
02:04:26,320 --> 02:04:29,040
as your population grows and sales tax

3050
02:04:29,040 --> 02:04:31,599
can grow with inflation. Um property tax

3051
02:04:31,599 --> 02:04:34,639
is the opposite. Um if if there's more

3052
02:04:34,639 --> 02:04:36,719
people living in your city, if they

3053
02:04:36,719 --> 02:04:38,400
didn't build a new house, let's just say

3054
02:04:38,400 --> 02:04:40,000
that they like multiplied and

3055
02:04:40,000 --> 02:04:41,440
replenished the earth like our good

3056
02:04:41,440 --> 02:04:44,320
friend Andrew, we have more babies born,

3057
02:04:44,320 --> 02:04:46,080
it doesn't change a thing about our

3058
02:04:46,080 --> 02:04:47,760
property taxes, right? It does. or if

3059
02:04:47,760 --> 02:04:49,520
you have less people living in your

3060
02:04:49,520 --> 02:04:52,000
city, it has no impact whatsoever based

3061
02:04:52,000 --> 02:04:54,639
on population. And what about inflation?

3062
02:04:54,639 --> 02:04:56,800
Nope. They the state has removed the

3063
02:04:56,800 --> 02:04:59,679
inflationary factor out of property tax

3064
02:04:59,679 --> 02:05:02,800
completely. So we don't your taxes do

3065
02:05:02,800 --> 02:05:04,880
not go up as your assessed value goes

3066
02:05:04,880 --> 02:05:07,920
up. Um we have to share our our property

3067
02:05:07,920 --> 02:05:10,719
tax bill among all these other agencies.

3068
02:05:10,719 --> 02:05:13,599
So, Alpine Cities, um, if you collect,

3069
02:05:13,599 --> 02:05:18,080
you know, $1,000 in sales tax, uh, $140

3070
02:05:18,080 --> 02:05:24,400
goes to, um, the city of Alpine. So, you might have a big tax bill, but, if

3071
02:05:24,400 --> 02:05:25,920
you really looked and broke it down

3072
02:05:25,920 --> 02:05:27,599
dollar for dollar, you don't pay that

3073
02:05:27,599 --> 02:05:29,440
much really to the city of Alpine

3074
02:05:29,440 --> 02:05:32,239
relative to the 86% going to all the

3075
02:05:32,239 --> 02:05:34,960
other agencies with the majority going

3076
02:05:34,960 --> 02:05:36,400
to schools. Having been a former

3077
02:05:36,400 --> 02:05:37,760
schoolboard member, that's not a bad

3078
02:05:37,760 --> 02:05:39,136
thing, but just so you know.

3079
02:05:39,136 --> 02:05:39,440
>> [snorts]

3080
02:05:39,440 --> 02:05:42,080
>> Okay. So, let's go. Keep going. Truth in

3081
02:05:42,080 --> 02:05:43,920
taxation. Now, when I said there's no

3082
02:05:43,920 --> 02:05:46,800
impact um to our property tax because of

3083
02:05:46,800 --> 02:05:48,880
inflation, this is how truth and

3084
02:05:48,880 --> 02:05:51,520
taxation works. It says what were the

3085
02:05:51,520 --> 02:05:54,320
amount of tax dollars tax dollars that

3086
02:05:54,320 --> 02:05:56,480
you collected in the prior year. That's

3087
02:05:56,480 --> 02:05:58,560
all you can collect this year. You you

3088
02:05:58,560 --> 02:06:01,440
it will not go up. The only difference

3089
02:06:01,440 --> 02:06:05,360
is that if you um have new um properties

3090
02:06:05,360 --> 02:06:07,599
that are developed in your city, you get

3091
02:06:07,599 --> 02:06:10,159
that bump. it's not included in that

3092
02:06:10,159 --> 02:06:13,520
initial calculation. So, um that's how

3093
02:06:13,520 --> 02:06:16,719
our certified tax rate works and that's

3094
02:06:16,719 --> 02:06:18,239
a lot of people talk about truth and

3095
02:06:18,239 --> 02:06:20,080
taxation. Like for me, truth and

3096
02:06:20,080 --> 02:06:22,880
taxation meant one thing, but what I

3097
02:06:22,880 --> 02:06:25,280
learned from studying is it's really a

3098
02:06:25,280 --> 02:06:28,239
um a notification process. There's many

3099
02:06:28,239 --> 02:06:30,079
steps and it's very detailed how to

3100
02:06:30,079 --> 02:06:33,119
notify the the taxpayers about any

3101
02:06:33,119 --> 02:06:37,679
changes in the tax rate. Um, and so what

3102
02:06:37,679 --> 02:06:39,679
you can see this last thing right here

3103
02:06:39,679 --> 02:06:45,679
is well, let's talk about the the the process, the public transparency is

3104
02:06:45,679 --> 02:06:47,040
there's a direct mailer to the

3105
02:06:47,040 --> 02:06:48,560
homeowners. We don't have to do that for

3106
02:06:48,560 --> 02:06:50,480
anything else. And there's always a

3107
02:06:50,480 --> 02:06:53,040
public hearing. And so, um, that those

3108
02:06:53,040 --> 02:06:55,599
are the two steps. And so, if you look

3109
02:06:55,599 --> 02:06:57,360
over here on the left, no windfalls. If

3110
02:06:57,360 --> 02:06:59,679
property values increase, the tax rate

3111
02:06:59,679 --> 02:07:01,920
automatically drops. So the government

3112
02:07:01,920 --> 02:07:04,159
does not collect extra money without a

3113
02:07:04,159 --> 02:07:06,800
vote by the elected body who is us.

3114
02:07:06,800 --> 02:07:09,199
Let's go to the next slide. All right.

3115
02:07:09,199 --> 02:07:10,960
The third category of revenue is

3116
02:07:10,960 --> 02:07:14,560
licensing and permits and fees. So how

3117
02:07:14,560 --> 02:07:16,800
are they calculated? One thing I learned

3118
02:07:16,800 --> 02:07:18,560
is that um if you can read that top

3119
02:07:18,560 --> 02:07:20,560
paragraph, it has to be based on a cost

3120
02:07:20,560 --> 02:07:23,599
basis. You can't just randomly say, you

3121
02:07:23,599 --> 02:07:25,360
know, I really think we should charge,

3122
02:07:25,360 --> 02:07:27,040
you know,

3123
02:07:27,040 --> 02:07:29,360
$200 for a library card if we're in a

3124
02:07:29,360 --> 02:07:30,960
different city. like you have to have

3125
02:07:30,960 --> 02:07:33,280
some cost basis to it. What does it cost

3126
02:07:33,280 --> 02:07:35,360
to like you know pay the utilities to

3127
02:07:35,360 --> 02:07:37,679
run the staff to build the building? I

3128
02:07:37,679 --> 02:07:38,800
don't know at all. We don't have a

3129
02:07:38,800 --> 02:07:41,520
library but it has to be uh grounded in

3130
02:07:41,520 --> 02:07:44,480
some kind of cost basis. Now, um, what's

3131
02:07:44,480 --> 02:07:46,800
happened is because there is no truth in

3132
02:07:46,800 --> 02:07:49,199
taxation process and so our residents

3133
02:07:49,199 --> 02:07:51,760
don't get to know, people are other

3134
02:07:51,760 --> 02:07:53,520
cities are going around and putting in

3135
02:07:53,520 --> 02:07:56,400
lots of fees in their in their fee

3136
02:07:56,400 --> 02:07:59,280
structure and it kind of just slides

3137
02:07:59,280 --> 02:08:01,440
right in without any real notice to the

3138
02:08:01,440 --> 02:08:06,960
public and that's not a good way to to raise money. it's not a way to govern

3139
02:08:06,960 --> 02:08:09,040
and you know we believe that our people

3140
02:08:09,040 --> 02:08:10,960
need to be informed and in a transparent

3141
02:08:10,960 --> 02:08:13,920
process and so this new bill came out in

3142
02:08:13,920 --> 02:08:18,239
2026 that that put us into all of that.

3143
02:08:18,239 --> 02:08:19,920
Of course it was sponsored by somebody

3144
02:08:19,920 --> 02:08:23,760
in a city who um already had a fee and

3145
02:08:23,760 --> 02:08:25,360
so they create a little loophole for

3146
02:08:25,360 --> 02:08:27,840
that city. We'll talk about that later.

3147
02:08:27,840 --> 02:08:30,159
So um generally the third largest source

3148
02:08:30,159 --> 02:08:32,639
of revenue in a city of Utah. Okay. Now

3149
02:08:32,639 --> 02:08:34,239
let's talk about Alpine. is what you've

3150
02:08:34,239 --> 02:08:35,920
been waiting for. So, here's our

3151
02:08:35,920 --> 02:08:38,960
highlights again. Um, first of all, our

3152
02:08:38,960 --> 02:08:42,639
property tax um is 37%.

3153
02:08:42,639 --> 02:08:45,599
So, it's actually our largest um revenue

3154
02:08:45,599 --> 02:08:48,880
source, not sales tax. Any surprises why

3155
02:08:48,880 --> 02:08:50,480
that would be council members? This is

3156
02:08:50,480 --> 02:08:53,199
interactive. Why isn't sales tax a

3157
02:08:53,199 --> 02:08:55,760
bigger part of our revenue source?

3158
02:08:55,760 --> 02:08:58,800
>> Because we don't have much retail

3159
02:08:58,800 --> 02:08:59,920
generating

3160
02:08:59,920 --> 02:09:01,840
>> tax revenue generating businesses.

3161
02:09:01,840 --> 02:09:06,880
>> Perfect. Okay. That's right. Um and then

3162
02:09:06,880 --> 02:09:09,280
let's see sales taxes only is the second

3163
02:09:09,280 --> 02:09:11,679
biggest pool. And then the third biggest

3164
02:09:11,679 --> 02:09:15,360
one would be our fees. So um when you

3165
02:09:15,360 --> 02:09:17,280
look at the demographics and I think the

3166
02:09:17,280 --> 02:09:19,599
parks thing already showed that we are

3167
02:09:19,599 --> 02:09:22,159
starting to age but our median household

3168
02:09:22,159 --> 02:09:24,880
income is very high. Our home values are

3169
02:09:24,880 --> 02:09:28,400
high. Um, and so

3170
02:09:28,400 --> 02:09:30,480
it's, how do I want to say it may be

3171
02:09:30,480 --> 02:09:33,520
more equitable that the that because we

3172
02:09:33,520 --> 02:09:35,920
don't have that commercial base that our

3173
02:09:35,920 --> 02:09:37,760
residents can actually afford a little

3174
02:09:37,760 --> 02:09:41,199
bit higher property tax relative to what

3175
02:09:41,199 --> 02:09:43,760
how other cities are generating revenue

3176
02:09:43,760 --> 02:09:46,639
because um, we have a little bit we have

3177
02:09:46,639 --> 02:09:49,040
higher home values and higher income.

3178
02:09:49,040 --> 02:09:50,480
Whether or not we think that's fair,

3179
02:09:50,480 --> 02:09:52,480
that's for us to decide. That's why

3180
02:09:52,480 --> 02:09:54,880
we're here. Okay, so let's keep going to

3181
02:09:54,880 --> 02:09:57,840
the next thing. Here's our alpine trend.

3182
02:09:57,840 --> 02:10:00,400
So in reality, the amount of revenue

3183
02:10:00,400 --> 02:10:04,800
that we generated is um the orange line

3184
02:10:04,800 --> 02:10:06,560
and there was a jump in property tax

3185
02:10:06,560 --> 02:10:08,079
which we're going to discuss on the next

3186
02:10:08,079 --> 02:10:10,480
slide. And then what's happening to our

3187
02:10:10,480 --> 02:10:14,880
rate council members?

3188
02:10:14,880 --> 02:10:16,400
>> Where are you where you looking?

3189
02:10:16,400 --> 02:10:18,320
>> The green line is the rate. It's

3190
02:10:18,320 --> 02:10:19,599
decreasing.

3191
02:10:19,599 --> 02:10:22,400
>> It's decreasing. So as so our rate is

3192
02:10:22,400 --> 02:10:26,079
decreasing because um

3193
02:10:26,079 --> 02:10:28,560
our as our values goes up the rate goes

3194
02:10:28,560 --> 02:10:30,639
down right because we remember algebra

3195
02:10:30,639 --> 02:10:33,040
from seventh grade. Okay so what about

3196
02:10:33,040 --> 02:10:35,440
our tax rate we've actually seen an

3197
02:10:35,440 --> 02:10:37,760
increase um year-over-year in the last

3198
02:10:37,760 --> 02:10:41,040
year was um almost 4%.

3199
02:10:41,040 --> 02:10:44,000
So in this little booklet um oh I I I

3200
02:10:44,000 --> 02:10:45,520
missed some things. Okay, we talked

3201
02:10:45,520 --> 02:10:49,119
about sales tax was page 25. Page 24 was

3202
02:10:49,119 --> 02:10:50,719
property tax, but I read right out of

3203
02:10:50,719 --> 02:10:54,000
this books. Page 27 was licensing and

3204
02:10:54,000 --> 02:10:56,880
fees. We missed that, but I did read

3205
02:10:56,880 --> 02:10:59,360
from my slide. So, what I want you to

3206
02:10:59,360 --> 02:11:02,320
look at now is page 20. That's the next

3207
02:11:02,320 --> 02:11:05,119
slide. And let's read this together.

3208
02:11:05,119 --> 02:11:07,920
>> Hey Christie, on this you might not want

3209
02:11:07,920 --> 02:11:10,880
to comment, but uh it took me forever to

3210
02:11:10,880 --> 02:11:13,280
understand that last page. Is it okay if

3211
02:11:13,280 --> 02:11:14,639
I explain it once?

3212
02:11:14,639 --> 02:11:15,599
>> Go right ahead.

3213
02:11:15,599 --> 02:11:17,199
>> If you go back up. So, I didn't

3214
02:11:17,199 --> 02:11:18,320
understand this. This

3215
02:11:18,320 --> 02:11:19,040
>> We can't hear you.

3216
02:11:19,040 --> 02:11:20,480
>> Sorry. I didn't understand this. This

3217
02:11:20,480 --> 02:11:21,679
really helps.

3218
02:11:21,679 --> 02:11:25,119
>> Uh, so this year we did not raise

3219
02:11:25,119 --> 02:11:28,159
property taxes. Every city had the

3220
02:11:28,159 --> 02:11:28,560
opportunity.

3221
02:11:28,560 --> 02:11:29,520
>> Talk to your microphone.

3222
02:11:29,520 --> 02:11:30,719
>> Every city had the opportunity to do

3223
02:11:30,719 --> 02:11:32,560
that. We did not do that. So, your

3224
02:11:32,560 --> 02:11:36,239
property taxes never raise

3225
02:11:36,239 --> 02:11:39,040
unless we vote on them to raise. Your

3226
02:11:39,040 --> 02:11:41,760
home goes up in value. It doesn't

3227
02:11:41,760 --> 02:11:44,800
change. we vote on a absolute number

3228
02:11:44,800 --> 02:11:47,119
that we're going to take in. Say it was

3229
02:11:47,119 --> 02:11:49,679
2.9 million. That's what we get no

3230
02:11:49,679 --> 02:11:54,000
matter what. If um if some people's

3231
02:11:54,000 --> 02:11:56,800
house people's house because their

3232
02:11:56,800 --> 02:11:58,800
neighborhood goes up in value, that just

3233
02:11:58,800 --> 02:12:02,159
means it gets distributed amongst all of

3234
02:12:02,159 --> 02:12:04,079
us a little bit different. So, I just

3235
02:12:04,079 --> 02:12:07,199
looked at mine. Our rate stayed the

3236
02:12:07,199 --> 02:12:09,119
exact same because we did not vote to

3237
02:12:09,119 --> 02:12:12,239
raise property taxes. Um, and so our

3238
02:12:12,239 --> 02:12:14,320
number should be pretty much exactly the

3239
02:12:14,320 --> 02:12:16,400
same on Alpine City. Mine is a

3240
02:12:16,400 --> 02:12:19,280
difference of like $40, a difference of

3241
02:12:19,280 --> 02:12:22,880
like $4. So it stays the same. So I

3242
02:12:22,880 --> 02:12:24,000
didn't understand that. So that's what

3243
02:12:24,000 --> 02:12:26,800
that green line is. Our rate is going

3244
02:12:26,800 --> 02:12:28,639
down. That's just the percentage that

3245
02:12:28,639 --> 02:12:30,880
we're all charged, but it's the same

3246
02:12:30,880 --> 02:12:32,639
dollar amount. We're all we're all

3247
02:12:32,639 --> 02:12:33,520
paying the exact

3248
02:12:33,520 --> 02:12:34,320
>> in total

3249
02:12:34,320 --> 02:12:36,079
>> in the same total amount.

3250
02:12:36,079 --> 02:12:37,679
>> Yeah. just like yours went up by 40.

3251
02:12:37,679 --> 02:12:39,280
Somebody else probably went down by 40

3252
02:12:39,280 --> 02:12:40,880
like to get to the same number.

3253
02:12:40,880 --> 02:12:43,040
>> So maybe the housing changed a little

3254
02:12:43,040 --> 02:12:45,599
bit of value or they just found out and

3255
02:12:45,599 --> 02:12:48,000
wanted to ding me. But uh yeah, anyways,

3256
02:12:48,000 --> 02:12:49,199
that that helped me to

3257
02:12:49,199 --> 02:12:50,480
>> and the only reason the red line is

3258
02:12:50,480 --> 02:12:51,679
going up is because we have a few more

3259
02:12:51,679 --> 02:12:52,880
homes built each year,

3260
02:12:52,880 --> 02:12:53,199
>> right?

3261
02:12:53,199 --> 02:12:54,239
>> So I guess this is the biggest

3262
02:12:54,239 --> 02:12:56,159
misconception I think of the residents

3263
02:12:56,159 --> 02:12:58,400
of of of property taxes. I've lived in

3264
02:12:58,400 --> 02:13:00,560
four states and one US territory, owned

3265
02:13:00,560 --> 02:13:03,679
homes in all five places. Utah is very

3266
02:13:03,679 --> 02:13:07,119
unique in that when your property values

3267
02:13:07,119 --> 02:13:08,400
increase, it doesn't automatically

3268
02:13:08,400 --> 02:13:09,679
increase your property taxes.

3269
02:13:09,679 --> 02:13:10,480
>> The amount you pay.

3270
02:13:10,480 --> 02:13:11,840
>> Yeah. The amount you paid, the amount of

3271
02:13:11,840 --> 02:13:14,560
your tax. So, in the I think in the 12

3272
02:13:14,560 --> 02:13:16,000
years I've lived here, it's it's been

3273
02:13:16,000 --> 02:13:19,280
raised twice. Um and so all the other

3274
02:13:19,280 --> 02:13:21,119
raises have been because of the county

3275
02:13:21,119 --> 02:13:22,639
or the school district or one of the

3276
02:13:22,639 --> 02:13:23,840
other taxing authorities.

3277
02:13:23,840 --> 02:13:24,239
>> Yep.

3278
02:13:24,239 --> 02:13:25,840
>> So, it's just a big misconception that,

3279
02:13:25,840 --> 02:13:28,880
hey, my my my property values doubled in

3280
02:13:28,880 --> 02:13:31,119
10 years. I'm paying double the tax.

3281
02:13:31,119 --> 02:13:31,679
You're not.

3282
02:13:31,679 --> 02:13:33,440
>> Right. So, we were talking to the

3283
02:13:33,440 --> 02:13:36,159
assessor yesterday and he's getting all

3284
02:13:36,159 --> 02:13:38,239
the calls from people because we just

3285
02:13:38,239 --> 02:13:40,800
got our notices. He's getting the calls

3286
02:13:40,800 --> 02:13:44,400
saying, "Why did my property taxes go

3287
02:13:44,400 --> 02:13:46,239
up? You just assessed my house at

3288
02:13:46,239 --> 02:13:50,159
bigger." Well, it's not him, it's bodies

3289
02:13:50,159 --> 02:13:53,280
like us that are making those go up. The

3290
02:13:53,280 --> 02:13:54,960
problem is there's like three or four of

3291
02:13:54,960 --> 02:13:57,280
them. There's the school district like

3292
02:13:57,280 --> 02:13:59,760
she said, there's the county and there's

3293
02:13:59,760 --> 02:14:01,679
the city and then a bunch of water

3294
02:14:01,679 --> 02:14:04,560
districts and you have the whole list of

3295
02:14:04,560 --> 02:14:06,239
each one so you can kind of So that's

3296
02:14:06,239 --> 02:14:07,840
the only way it goes up is through

3297
02:14:07,840 --> 02:14:11,440
people like us. So tell us what you want

3298
02:14:11,440 --> 02:14:13,440
and don't want. That's what I'm trying

3299
02:14:13,440 --> 02:14:13,760
to say.

3300
02:14:13,760 --> 02:14:15,119
>> We'll get to that. Andrew, you're

3301
02:14:15,119 --> 02:14:16,639
jumping the gun. That was really good.

3302
02:14:16,639 --> 02:14:19,040
No took me to understand it. I didn't

3303
02:14:19,040 --> 02:14:19,520
get it.

3304
02:14:19,520 --> 02:14:22,480
>> Yeah. No, that's what the finance

3305
02:14:22,480 --> 02:14:24,480
committee concluded was the most people

3306
02:14:24,480 --> 02:14:26,000
that important people that need to

3307
02:14:26,000 --> 02:14:27,840
understand it are are the people sitting

3308
02:14:27,840 --> 02:14:28,560
in these chairs.

3309
02:14:28,560 --> 02:14:31,280
>> And the last tiny thing is say 40 new

3310
02:14:31,280 --> 02:14:34,639
homes come in. I thought, oh great, that

3311
02:14:34,639 --> 02:14:37,119
will disperse our property tax amongst

3312
02:14:37,119 --> 02:14:39,280
more people and we'll all go down.

3313
02:14:39,280 --> 02:14:41,520
Sadly, no. I thought that would be the

3314
02:14:41,520 --> 02:14:43,920
case. What it does is it takes our base

3315
02:14:43,920 --> 02:14:47,119
2.9 million that we have voted on years

3316
02:14:47,119 --> 02:14:50,159
and years ago and it just adds that to

3317
02:14:50,159 --> 02:14:51,280
be

3318
02:14:51,280 --> 02:14:52,639
>> But that's not sad.

3319
02:14:52,639 --> 02:14:54,000
>> No, it's not sad. I just meant

3320
02:14:54,000 --> 02:14:55,199
>> when you when you bring in new

3321
02:14:55,199 --> 02:14:56,960
residents, it increases costs.

3322
02:14:56,960 --> 02:14:58,320
>> Yeah. It increases.

3323
02:14:58,320 --> 02:15:00,239
>> We have new roads to maintain.

3324
02:15:00,239 --> 02:15:01,760
>> It doesn't disperse it. It increases the

3325
02:15:01,760 --> 02:15:04,000
to so it goes up to like three million.

3326
02:15:04,000 --> 02:15:06,239
>> If you wanted to, you could you could go

3327
02:15:06,239 --> 02:15:08,320
up three slides and that's the increase,

3328
02:15:08,320 --> 02:15:10,400
right? The green go up right there.

3329
02:15:10,400 --> 02:15:12,800
Thank you, Kayen. The green line is like

3330
02:15:12,800 --> 02:15:15,199
the and then sometimes you know your

3331
02:15:15,199 --> 02:15:18,320
value can go up or down and then um it's

3332
02:15:18,320 --> 02:15:20,480
one exception is new growth authorized

3333
02:15:20,480 --> 02:15:22,880
by the county and state. So that that

3334
02:15:22,880 --> 02:15:24,560
they they take that out of the whole

3335
02:15:24,560 --> 02:15:27,520
calculation before. Okay, let's go back

3336
02:15:27,520 --> 02:15:31,199
now. Now let's read page 20. Okay, are

3337
02:15:31,199 --> 02:15:33,280
we ready? Okay. One of the best

3338
02:15:33,280 --> 02:15:35,119
indicators of future revenue and

3339
02:15:35,119 --> 02:15:37,040
expenditures can be found by examining

3340
02:15:37,040 --> 02:15:40,239
the average actual growth trend of each

3341
02:15:40,239 --> 02:15:42,239
of the major categories over the past

3342
02:15:42,239 --> 02:15:44,960
three to five years. As newly new newly

3343
02:15:44,960 --> 02:15:46,880
elected officials head into their first

3344
02:15:46,880 --> 02:15:49,119
budget process, they should understand

3345
02:15:49,119 --> 02:15:51,040
the actual revenue and expenditures

3346
02:15:51,040 --> 02:15:53,520
patterns of the past so they can discern

3347
02:15:53,520 --> 02:15:55,199
if both revenue and expenditure

3348
02:15:55,199 --> 02:15:57,280
projections make sense. And then there's

3349
02:15:57,280 --> 02:16:00,880
some examples. So, our my ever willing

3350
02:16:00,880 --> 02:16:04,159
um resident um did these calculations

3351
02:16:04,159 --> 02:16:08,000
and um let's look at sales tax first. Um

3352
02:16:08,000 --> 02:16:09,920
we just pull these. You can these are

3353
02:16:09,920 --> 02:16:11,840
all on the state website. Um there's a

3354
02:16:11,840 --> 02:16:13,520
transparency website that has every

3355
02:16:13,520 --> 02:16:16,400
city, every every little thing you ever

3356
02:16:16,400 --> 02:16:17,760
wanted to know is on this the

3357
02:16:17,760 --> 02:16:20,159
transparency website. Here we go. So,

3358
02:16:20,159 --> 02:16:21,760
and it's also on our Alpine City

3359
02:16:21,760 --> 02:16:24,560
website. But, um here's our sales tax

3360
02:16:24,560 --> 02:16:27,520
collection. So, let's look for a second.

3361
02:16:27,520 --> 02:16:29,920
What happened in 2018? This is a quiz,

3362
02:16:29,920 --> 02:16:32,000
council members. What happened in 2018

3363
02:16:32,000 --> 02:16:35,359
that our sales tax went up 14%.

3364
02:16:35,359 --> 02:16:38,000
Anyone remember? It was the Wayfair

3365
02:16:38,000 --> 02:16:39,599
decision. Sorry, I gave it away.

3366
02:16:39,599 --> 02:16:41,040
>> Online sales.

3367
02:16:41,040 --> 02:16:43,599
>> It was the Supreme Court decision that

3368
02:16:43,599 --> 02:16:45,920
gave us the authority.

3369
02:16:45,920 --> 02:16:46,800
>> Yes.

3370
02:16:46,800 --> 02:16:47,280
>> Online.

3371
02:16:47,280 --> 02:16:48,080
sales.

3372
02:16:48,080 --> 02:16:49,840
>> Yes. And then what happened again? Look

3373
02:16:49,840 --> 02:16:53,359
at COVID 2020, 21, and 22 like it went

3374
02:16:53,359 --> 02:16:55,120
through the roof.

3375
02:16:55,120 --> 02:16:57,040
because people were staying home. They

3376
02:16:57,040 --> 02:17:00,240
were not um venturing out. So, what do

3377
02:17:00,240 --> 02:17:01,679
you think was going on in our in our

3378
02:17:01,679 --> 02:17:03,599
neighbors cities that were relying on

3379
02:17:03,599 --> 02:17:06,240
brickandmortar sales?

3380
02:17:06,240 --> 02:17:09,280
They were struggling. Hence, we got CO

3381
02:17:09,280 --> 02:17:09,599
money.

3382
02:17:09,599 --> 02:17:11,280
>> They also got increases for online sales

3383
02:17:11,280 --> 02:17:13,599
as well. So, there was a a give and take

3384
02:17:13,599 --> 02:17:14,399
there.

3385
02:17:14,399 --> 02:17:18,240
>> True. Well, not always. So, um while

3386
02:17:18,240 --> 02:17:20,160
we're talking about sales tax, yeah,

3387
02:17:20,160 --> 02:17:22,080
this is a good time because they use the

3388
02:17:22,080 --> 02:17:23,925
disinfectant wipes on their things.

3389
02:17:23,925 --> 02:17:24,719
>> [laughter]

3390
02:17:24,719 --> 02:17:27,280
>> Um, I'm glad you said that. So, we have

3391
02:17:27,280 --> 02:17:28,880
a neighbor. Well, we'll talk about that

3392
02:17:28,880 --> 02:17:31,040
later. You You remember that thought?

3393
02:17:31,040 --> 02:17:32,960
Okay, let's look at property tax then.

3394
02:17:32,960 --> 02:17:35,679
Right here, you can see it went up um

3395
02:17:35,679 --> 02:17:38,559
these way uh every year. Well, what in

3396
02:17:38,559 --> 02:17:42,479
the world happened in 2020?

3397
02:17:42,479 --> 02:17:43,920
>> Truth and taxation

3398
02:17:43,920 --> 02:17:45,760
>> property tax increase by the city

3399
02:17:45,760 --> 02:17:46,319
council.

3400
02:17:46,319 --> 02:17:50,240
>> That's right. And what happened in 2023?

3401
02:17:50,240 --> 02:17:52,639
>> And I tried to fight that, by the way.

3402
02:17:52,639 --> 02:17:53,920
>> Okay. Okay. Well, now you're here. You

3403
02:17:53,920 --> 02:17:54,800
can fight it louder.

3404
02:17:54,800 --> 02:17:56,240
>> Those are the two and the 12 years that

3405
02:17:56,240 --> 02:17:57,359
I referenced earlier.

3406
02:17:57,359 --> 02:17:59,760
>> Yes. Those are the only two years in 12

3407
02:17:59,760 --> 02:18:01,599
that have ever we change we've ever

3408
02:18:01,599 --> 02:18:04,080
increased the rate. Shane, would since

3409
02:18:04,080 --> 02:18:05,760
you were you're the only one who lived

3410
02:18:05,760 --> 02:18:07,599
through that, can you remind us what

3411
02:18:07,599 --> 02:18:08,719
happened then?

3412
02:18:08,719 --> 02:18:11,439
>> Yeah. So, the the first tax increase uh

3413
02:18:11,439 --> 02:18:12,960
occurred

3414
02:18:12,960 --> 02:18:16,960
uh there in 2020 when Cedar Hills left

3415
02:18:16,960 --> 02:18:19,840
the public safety district and it left

3416
02:18:19,840 --> 02:18:22,080
Highland and Alpine there. and it wasn't

3417
02:18:22,080 --> 02:18:25,679
like all of their costs went away. So,

3418
02:18:25,679 --> 02:18:29,200
both cities uh had more costs to deal

3419
02:18:29,200 --> 02:18:31,760
with. And so, that was that tax

3420
02:18:31,760 --> 02:18:35,439
increase. The second one uh it was it

3421
02:18:35,439 --> 02:18:37,439
was two things really. Uh some of that

3422
02:18:37,439 --> 02:18:40,240
was for public safety and some was for

3423
02:18:40,240 --> 02:18:43,280
projects. Um after CO the cost of

3424
02:18:43,280 --> 02:18:46,160
projects just went through the roof and

3425
02:18:46,160 --> 02:18:50,160
so um the city actually held the rate

3426
02:18:50,160 --> 02:18:53,840
from the year before which generated um

3427
02:18:53,840 --> 02:18:56,719
more property tax revenue and we've been

3428
02:18:56,719 --> 02:18:59,519
able to kind of sustain that since then

3429
02:18:59,519 --> 02:19:01,359
without another increase. A lot of

3430
02:19:01,359 --> 02:19:03,599
cities did an increase this year.

3431
02:19:03,599 --> 02:19:04,960
>> Yeah, they did.

3432
02:19:04,960 --> 02:19:06,719
>> Oh yeah, they're going through it.

3433
02:19:06,719 --> 02:19:09,040
So you can see if you look at the non

3434
02:19:09,040 --> 02:19:11,439
non-truth and taxation years, that's

3435
02:19:11,439 --> 02:19:13,280
really just our growth rate. Like what

3436
02:19:13,280 --> 02:19:17,519
did we add to our city um new homes, you

3437
02:19:17,519 --> 02:19:18,880
know?

3438
02:19:18,880 --> 02:19:21,040
>> Yeah. So it's kind of our growth rate of

3439
02:19:21,040 --> 02:19:22,000
our city. Okay.

3440
02:19:22,000 --> 02:19:23,200
>> Can I make a can I make a comment before

3441
02:19:23,200 --> 02:19:23,840
we go on?

3442
02:19:23,840 --> 02:19:24,800
>> Please do.

3443
02:19:24,800 --> 02:19:27,840
>> So two things. One is when a when a tax

3444
02:19:27,840 --> 02:19:29,760
is increased, a property tax increase,

3445
02:19:29,760 --> 02:19:35,840
it's there permanently. So you saw the increase in 2020, it it applies

3446
02:19:35,840 --> 02:19:38,399
every year after that, which Okay. And

3447
02:19:38,399 --> 02:19:40,000
the second comment I'll [snorts] make is

3448
02:19:40,000 --> 02:19:43,519
because of the truth and tax taxation

3449
02:19:43,519 --> 02:19:48,319
laws in Utah, um

3450
02:19:48,319 --> 02:19:50,399
we we can only increase the revenue

3451
02:19:50,399 --> 02:19:52,560
outside of sales tax gradually

3452
02:19:52,560 --> 02:19:56,000
increasing by raising taxes. Whereas in

3453
02:19:56,000 --> 02:19:57,280
all these years that we did not raise

3454
02:19:57,280 --> 02:20:00,960
taxes, inflation continues. Not just

3455
02:20:00,960 --> 02:20:04,479
purchasing items for the city, materials

3456
02:20:04,479 --> 02:20:06,960
for the fire department for example, was

3457
02:20:06,960 --> 02:20:08,319
much more expensive than when the

3458
02:20:08,319 --> 02:20:09,680
conversation was started several years

3459
02:20:09,680 --> 02:20:14,319
ago, but also the cost of uh personnel.

3460
02:20:14,319 --> 02:20:15,920
So all these inflationary costs keep

3461
02:20:15,920 --> 02:20:18,479
going up yet our revenue stays flat. So

3462
02:20:18,479 --> 02:20:21,200
at some point a couple like Alpine's

3463
02:20:21,200 --> 02:20:22,880
been very fortunate that only two years

3464
02:20:22,880 --> 02:20:25,520
in the last 12 property tax I don't know

3465
02:20:25,520 --> 02:20:26,800
what happened before that before I moved

3466
02:20:26,800 --> 02:20:29,520
here the property taxes have been raised

3467
02:20:29,520 --> 02:20:31,120
but it just it's a matter of fact it has

3468
02:20:31,120 --> 02:20:33,840
to happen because of the continued

3469
02:20:33,840 --> 02:20:36,000
increase in costs. Does that make sense?

3470
02:20:36,000 --> 02:20:36,399
>> Yes.

3471
02:20:36,399 --> 02:20:38,000
>> If we want to maintain our current level

3472
02:20:38,000 --> 02:20:39,680
of service to the residents.

3473
02:20:39,680 --> 02:20:42,640
>> Brent just a thought. I'll try to use

3474
02:20:42,640 --> 02:20:44,720
this as gentle as possible because

3475
02:20:44,720 --> 02:20:47,600
someone's been flinging it on me and

3476
02:20:47,600 --> 02:20:51,120
that is they're doing the uh projections

3477
02:20:51,120 --> 02:20:53,359
of what the CPI has been over the last

3478
02:20:53,359 --> 02:20:56,800
10 years, meaning the basically the

3479
02:20:56,800 --> 02:20:59,600
inflation rate and how much that has

3480
02:20:59,600 --> 02:21:02,160
grown. And they're comparing that to

3481
02:21:02,160 --> 02:21:04,000
what property taxes have been raised in

3482
02:21:04,000 --> 02:21:06,720
the same decade. We're over like 200%

3483
02:21:06,720 --> 02:21:10,640
over on our raising the taxes versus the

3484
02:21:10,640 --> 02:21:12,000
inflation.

3485
02:21:12,000 --> 02:21:13,280
They're doing it with several other

3486
02:21:13,280 --> 02:21:14,640
numbers as well. So, it's just something

3487
02:21:14,640 --> 02:21:16,640
to think about. We I I understand the

3488
02:21:16,640 --> 02:21:19,359
inflation, but we we may have gone over

3489
02:21:19,359 --> 02:21:19,920
the top.

3490
02:21:19,920 --> 02:21:21,359
>> But if you No, if you listen to what

3491
02:21:21,359 --> 02:21:22,960
Shane's explanation was, there was a

3492
02:21:22,960 --> 02:21:24,800
structural change in the way

3493
02:21:24,800 --> 02:21:26,880
>> I'm not saying we like specifically I

3494
02:21:26,880 --> 02:21:27,200
just

3495
02:21:27,200 --> 02:21:28,960
>> No, no, but that was the only reason is

3496
02:21:28,960 --> 02:21:31,439
because we we we three cities were

3497
02:21:31,439 --> 02:21:33,600
participating in the cost of running.

3498
02:21:33,600 --> 02:21:34,399
>> Right. Right. No,

3499
02:21:34,399 --> 02:21:35,840
>> when we lost that, we had to make that

3500
02:21:35,840 --> 02:21:36,160
up.

3501
02:21:36,160 --> 02:21:38,399
>> No, no, I know. Not that not that

3502
02:21:38,399 --> 02:21:40,080
specific. I just meant inflation in

3503
02:21:40,080 --> 02:21:41,120
general. Okay.

3504
02:21:41,120 --> 02:21:42,800
>> Not that I understand that.

3505
02:21:42,800 --> 02:21:44,000
>> Yeah.

3506
02:21:44,000 --> 02:21:46,080
>> And I do think I mean we're above the

3507
02:21:46,080 --> 02:21:48,560
CPI in our increase in sales tax, but I

3508
02:21:48,560 --> 02:21:50,399
do think it's because we're we're

3509
02:21:50,399 --> 02:21:52,720
ecommerce has become such more of a

3510
02:21:52,720 --> 02:21:55,040
driver. That That's my personal opinion.

3511
02:21:55,040 --> 02:21:57,120
I'm not an economist, but I I wish I

3512
02:21:57,120 --> 02:21:58,373
were. No, I'm just kidding. Okay.

3513
02:21:58,373 --> 02:22:00,080
[snorts] All right. Here we go. Let's

3514
02:22:00,080 --> 02:22:02,319
So, what caught my eye in my little deep

3515
02:22:02,319 --> 02:22:04,560
dive into revenue? I found this report

3516
02:22:04,560 --> 02:22:06,800
that was produced by the Utah Taxpayers

3517
02:22:06,800 --> 02:22:08,160
Association. And if you're not familiar

3518
02:22:08,160 --> 02:22:10,880
with them, they represent the taxpayers,

3519
02:22:10,880 --> 02:22:13,840
not the government, right? So, I don't

3520
02:22:13,840 --> 02:22:15,439
want to say we're the enemy, but you

3521
02:22:15,439 --> 02:22:16,640
know, I was on the school board for

3522
02:22:16,640 --> 02:22:18,000
eight years. They treated us like we

3523
02:22:18,000 --> 02:22:21,120
were the enemy. So, um, but they're very

3524
02:22:21,120 --> 02:22:22,960
they're they are very they're very good

3525
02:22:22,960 --> 02:22:24,640
in their research. They have so they

3526
02:22:24,640 --> 02:22:26,880
have really good reports. Um, I really

3527
02:22:26,880 --> 02:22:29,120
appreciated and they took the time to

3528
02:22:29,120 --> 02:22:31,680
talk to me and produce this report

3529
02:22:31,680 --> 02:22:33,600
because um, they had this report on the

3530
02:22:33,600 --> 02:22:36,800
top 50 cities in the state of Utah and

3531
02:22:36,800 --> 02:22:38,399
we didn't make the cut. We didn't have a

3532
02:22:38,399 --> 02:22:40,399
big enough population. So I said, "Hey,

3533
02:22:40,399 --> 02:22:42,800
can you just give me those same data for

3534
02:22:42,800 --> 02:22:44,880
Alpine?" Oh yeah, no problem. Can you

3535
02:22:44,880 --> 02:22:46,399
just add our neighbors, too? Because

3536
02:22:46,399 --> 02:22:48,479
somehow we like to always compare

3537
02:22:48,479 --> 02:22:50,720
ourselves to our neighbors. So this was

3538
02:22:50,720 --> 02:22:52,640
uh courtesy of the Utah taxpayers

3539
02:22:52,640 --> 02:22:54,720
association using all the re the data

3540
02:22:54,720 --> 02:22:58,000
that's available um to public in the

3541
02:22:58,000 --> 02:23:00,880
public. So um a couple little things

3542
02:23:00,880 --> 02:23:03,520
because they represent the taxpayer they

3543
02:23:03,520 --> 02:23:05,520
want to look at everything on per capita

3544
02:23:05,520 --> 02:23:08,160
income data. So they look at our

3545
02:23:08,160 --> 02:23:10,479
population, they look at our income, and

3546
02:23:10,479 --> 02:23:13,600
so this is like basically per capita

3547
02:23:13,600 --> 02:23:17,840
what we pay. Um our residents pay per

3548
02:23:17,840 --> 02:23:19,439
865,

3549
02:23:19,439 --> 02:23:24,319
Highland 731, and Cedar Hills 832. So we

3550
02:23:24,319 --> 02:23:26,319
do pay the highest, right? But if you

3551
02:23:26,319 --> 02:23:29,600
look at it relative to our income, then

3552
02:23:29,600 --> 02:23:32,960
it's um it's not as high because we have

3553
02:23:32,960 --> 02:23:35,280
higher income. So, we pay less for

3554
02:23:35,280 --> 02:23:38,080
$1,000 of the citizen. See how it's 12?

3555
02:23:38,080 --> 02:23:39,920
I guess Highland pays less, too. Less

3556
02:23:39,920 --> 02:23:42,000
than us. Okay. If you have questions

3557
02:23:42,000 --> 02:23:43,680
about these numbers, we can go over

3558
02:23:43,680 --> 02:23:47,359
them. Um uh they they didn't look at all

3559
02:23:47,359 --> 02:23:50,399
the all the revenue sources like grants

3560
02:23:50,399 --> 02:23:54,080
or um uh certain things that we get

3561
02:23:54,080 --> 02:23:56,880
paid. Uh they only looked at these three

3562
02:23:56,880 --> 02:23:59,520
revenue sources. And so in the at the

3563
02:23:59,520 --> 02:24:02,399
end of the day um they came up with the

3564
02:24:02,399 --> 02:24:04,319
percentage that each of these cities

3565
02:24:04,319 --> 02:24:07,840
including Alpine pays. So sales tax is

3566
02:24:07,840 --> 02:24:09,920
lower than property tax which is

3567
02:24:09,920 --> 02:24:11,840
unusual. You can see the other two

3568
02:24:11,840 --> 02:24:14,479
cities they they pay they receive almost

3569
02:24:14,479 --> 02:24:17,280
twice as much sales tax as property tax.

3570
02:24:17,280 --> 02:24:19,840
And then other taxes and fees they also

3571
02:24:19,840 --> 02:24:21,920
have a higher percentage from that. So,

3572
02:24:21,920 --> 02:24:24,080
our residents are paying a greater

3573
02:24:24,080 --> 02:24:27,120
proportion um of revenues or we're

3574
02:24:27,120 --> 02:24:29,280
receiving, I should say, we're receiving

3575
02:24:29,280 --> 02:24:31,359
a greater proportion of revenues from

3576
02:24:31,359 --> 02:24:33,760
property tax than our two neighbors.

3577
02:24:33,760 --> 02:24:35,520
Again, to Brent's point, because we

3578
02:24:35,520 --> 02:24:38,960
don't have retail. So, um in talking to

3579
02:24:38,960 --> 02:24:41,520
the sales tax commission, um it's very

3580
02:24:41,520 --> 02:24:43,200
private information. All she could give

3581
02:24:43,200 --> 02:24:44,640
me was the percentages, but I said,

3582
02:24:44,640 --> 02:24:46,880
"Well, how is it that we collect, you

3583
02:24:46,880 --> 02:24:50,080
know, similar dollars as sales tax to

3584
02:24:50,080 --> 02:24:52,240
Cedar Hills?" And how much of that is

3585
02:24:52,240 --> 02:24:54,560
e-commerce? She couldn't give me more

3586
02:24:54,560 --> 02:24:56,960
than the fact that Cedar Hills um gets

3587
02:24:56,960 --> 02:24:58,960
about 40% of their sales tax from

3588
02:24:58,960 --> 02:25:02,240
e-commerce where we are 80%. So they do

3589
02:25:02,240 --> 02:25:05,040
get a lot from um all the you know like

3590
02:25:05,040 --> 02:25:07,359
there's Walmart, there's other uh

3591
02:25:07,359 --> 02:25:09,359
restaurants. I don't there's a storage

3592
02:25:09,359 --> 02:25:11,200
place. I don't know what else is in

3593
02:25:11,200 --> 02:25:13,760
Cedar Hills, but they they collect on

3594
02:25:13,760 --> 02:25:15,840
site. They collect on site and we don't

3595
02:25:15,840 --> 02:25:17,680
really have a place for that. Um

3596
02:25:17,680 --> 02:25:19,760
Highland charges um Okay. And then

3597
02:25:19,760 --> 02:25:22,240
Highland was very interesting because if

3598
02:25:22,240 --> 02:25:24,640
you public information, if you go to

3599
02:25:24,640 --> 02:25:26,560
their fee chart, you can see that they

3600
02:25:26,560 --> 02:25:28,960
charge $15.25

3601
02:25:28,960 --> 02:25:32,720
for safety and wait and $1850. Did I get

3602
02:25:32,720 --> 02:25:34,720
that right? Public safety is$,525 and

3603
02:25:34,720 --> 02:25:36,479
transportation is $1850.

3604
02:25:36,479 --> 02:25:37,840
>> That's a month, right?

3605
02:25:37,840 --> 02:25:40,160
>> Monthly on their utility bill. So, after

3606
02:25:40,160 --> 02:25:42,560
you get charged for water, garbage

3607
02:25:42,560 --> 02:25:45,439
collection, sewer, there's also a fee

3608
02:25:45,439 --> 02:25:48,479
for safety and transportation, um,

3609
02:25:48,479 --> 02:25:50,479
public safety and transportation. And

3610
02:25:50,479 --> 02:25:53,920
so, they've chosen that way. Um, whether

3611
02:25:53,920 --> 02:25:56,000
or not that's fully transparent, that is

3612
02:25:56,000 --> 02:25:59,040
how how they have operated. And Highland

3613
02:25:59,040 --> 02:26:01,280
generates more than $2 million from

3614
02:26:01,280 --> 02:26:06,000
these specific fees paid monthly.

3615
02:26:06,000 --> 02:26:07,680
But the the legislature isn't happy

3616
02:26:07,680 --> 02:26:09,680
about it. and they they put an end to

3617
02:26:09,680 --> 02:26:14,160
it. So, um that's that's there's some

3618
02:26:14,160 --> 02:26:15,760
other loopholes which we will not

3619
02:26:15,760 --> 02:26:18,319
digress into. Okay. So, the whole point

3620
02:26:18,319 --> 02:26:20,000
of this is what is the impact on our

3621
02:26:20,000 --> 02:26:21,760
families like the way they're paying

3622
02:26:21,760 --> 02:26:24,000
their taxes. So, I thought that that was

3623
02:26:24,000 --> 02:26:25,760
just an interesting look by the Utah

3624
02:26:25,760 --> 02:26:28,319
Taxpayers Association. Let's go now to

3625
02:26:28,319 --> 02:26:31,680
the next slide. Okay. So, this is where

3626
02:26:31,680 --> 02:26:34,800
we come in is I think Brent mentioned um

3627
02:26:34,800 --> 02:26:36,479
that there's we've only raised taxes in

3628
02:26:36,479 --> 02:26:39,040
twice since 12 years. I'm sorry, gone

3629
02:26:39,040 --> 02:26:41,280
through the truth and taxation process.

3630
02:26:41,280 --> 02:26:42,960
So, there's some cities that just

3631
02:26:42,960 --> 02:26:45,280
routinely make little just adjustments

3632
02:26:45,280 --> 02:26:47,520
for inflation every year for property

3633
02:26:47,520 --> 02:26:50,000
tax and they just say truth and taxation

3634
02:26:50,000 --> 02:26:52,479
is just going to be a standard process

3635
02:26:52,479 --> 02:26:54,960
we just go through every year. Um when I

3636
02:26:54,960 --> 02:26:56,319
went to the Utah League of City and

3637
02:26:56,319 --> 02:26:58,160
Towns, this was discussed in that I took

3638
02:26:58,160 --> 02:27:00,720
a truth and taxation class. Some feel

3639
02:27:00,720 --> 02:27:02,399
like it's better to just keep up with

3640
02:27:02,399 --> 02:27:04,720
inflation than they get way behind and

3641
02:27:04,720 --> 02:27:07,680
then do this huge 40% jump like we chose

3642
02:27:07,680 --> 02:27:10,399
to do. That's been our policy. So, um

3643
02:27:10,399 --> 02:27:12,560
that's just some other cities are doing

3644
02:27:12,560 --> 02:27:14,800
it differently. Other cities have chosen

3645
02:27:14,800 --> 02:27:17,280
to use fees. Well, that's not even a

3646
02:27:17,280 --> 02:27:18,720
choice anymore. They took that off the

3647
02:27:18,720 --> 02:27:22,800
table. So, we can't do that. So, um, one

3648
02:27:22,800 --> 02:27:24,800
of I picked this picture here because

3649
02:27:24,800 --> 02:27:27,760
how do we, um, what we need to do as a

3650
02:27:27,760 --> 02:27:29,520
council is balance our fiduciary

3651
02:27:29,520 --> 02:27:32,560
responsibility to provide services with

3652
02:27:32,560 --> 02:27:35,760
a burden of taxes for our residents and

3653
02:27:35,760 --> 02:27:37,120
looking at things from a different

3654
02:27:37,120 --> 02:27:41,040
perspective like the um the the report

3655
02:27:41,040 --> 02:27:43,520
from the Utah Taxpayers Association that

3656
02:27:43,520 --> 02:27:45,280
brings it down to like a per capita

3657
02:27:45,280 --> 02:27:47,840
level is really insightful versus like

3658
02:27:47,840 --> 02:27:49,200
looking at everything in just total

3659
02:27:49,200 --> 02:27:51,439
numbers. So, it's just something to

3660
02:27:51,439 --> 02:27:53,439
think about. Um, this is not we're not

3661
02:27:53,439 --> 02:27:55,200
making any policy decisions here, but

3662
02:27:55,200 --> 02:27:59,040
just um educating ourselves. So, um I

3663
02:27:59,040 --> 02:28:00,880
think when um Steve Burroughs talked

3664
02:28:00,880 --> 02:28:04,800
about um land use and water, they are

3665
02:28:04,800 --> 02:28:07,600
they're in inf they're tied very tightly

3666
02:28:07,600 --> 02:28:10,000
together. Well, you know what? Revenue

3667
02:28:10,000 --> 02:28:13,200
and um land use are very tied very

3668
02:28:13,200 --> 02:28:16,160
tightly together. and um our brand new

3669
02:28:16,160 --> 02:28:18,960
city assistant administrator gave a

3670
02:28:18,960 --> 02:28:20,560
presentation when he worked in a

3671
02:28:20,560 --> 02:28:21,840
different city and he's going to share

3672
02:28:21,840 --> 02:28:24,800
some insights right now.

3673
02:28:24,800 --> 02:28:26,240
Thank you, Council Member Hanamman. So,

3674
02:28:26,240 --> 02:28:30,399
yeah, just to think about it, um how we

3675
02:28:30,399 --> 02:28:32,640
use our land and how that reflects on

3676
02:28:32,640 --> 02:28:35,760
our on our budget bottom lines. So, you

3677
02:28:35,760 --> 02:28:38,000
can see in this top right corner, um

3678
02:28:38,000 --> 02:28:40,000
there's two different parcels here that

3679
02:28:40,000 --> 02:28:42,399
are being shown. Let me zoom in a little

3680
02:28:42,399 --> 02:28:46,640
bit. One is um on a main street and one

3681
02:28:46,640 --> 02:28:48,080
is in a traditional suburban

3682
02:28:48,080 --> 02:28:51,600
development. They're both about uh worth

3683
02:28:51,600 --> 02:28:53,760
an acre or sorry a million dollars or

3684
02:28:53,760 --> 02:28:58,240
more. Uh but this one is on5 of an acre

3685
02:28:58,240 --> 02:29:02,160
and this one is 1.1 acre. If you just do

3686
02:29:02,160 --> 02:29:06,240
basic math and try to determine how much

3687
02:29:06,240 --> 02:29:08,399
uh what's the value per acre of each of

3688
02:29:08,399 --> 02:29:11,280
these parcels, you can see that this

3689
02:29:11,280 --> 02:29:13,680
parcel, if you go up to an acre, is

3690
02:29:13,680 --> 02:29:16,160
valued at almost $10 million, which

3691
02:29:16,160 --> 02:29:20,560
would be $102,000 of taxes per acre. And

3692
02:29:20,560 --> 02:29:23,520
then this one would be a lot less than

3693
02:29:23,520 --> 02:29:26,080
that over

3694
02:29:26,080 --> 02:29:28,240
u well, this would be 23 times more

3695
02:29:28,240 --> 02:29:31,200
valuable than this one. So, I think this

3696
02:29:31,200 --> 02:29:34,240
is just trying to show that land use and

3697
02:29:34,240 --> 02:29:35,920
how we determine we're going to use our

3698
02:29:35,920 --> 02:29:39,040
land definitely affects uh the revenue

3699
02:29:39,040 --> 02:29:42,240
we can generate from each parcel. Um,

3700
02:29:42,240 --> 02:29:44,000
obviously

3701
02:29:44,000 --> 02:29:46,560
balancing mixed use with residential is

3702
02:29:46,560 --> 02:29:48,479
always the goal of a city. You don't

3703
02:29:48,479 --> 02:29:50,640
want every parcel to be mixed use or

3704
02:29:50,640 --> 02:29:52,640
commercial. Um, but it's always

3705
02:29:52,640 --> 02:29:54,880
important to balance uh both those

3706
02:29:54,880 --> 02:29:56,720
things to have a financially resilient

3707
02:29:56,720 --> 02:29:58,240
city.

3708
02:29:58,240 --> 02:29:59,840
We have forgot to mention, would you

3709
02:29:59,840 --> 02:30:01,840
tell them about the the resident

3710
02:30:01,840 --> 02:30:04,000
exclusion?

3711
02:30:04,000 --> 02:30:05,840
>> Oh, yeah. And part of part of this this

3712
02:30:05,840 --> 02:30:07,359
actually might be lower taxes per acre

3713
02:30:07,359 --> 02:30:08,640
on the resident side because there's a

3714
02:30:08,640 --> 02:30:10,399
45%

3715
02:30:10,399 --> 02:30:12,319
uh resident reduction in the state of

3716
02:30:12,319 --> 02:30:15,600
Utah for for taxes on on their home and

3717
02:30:15,600 --> 02:30:18,720
one acre of their property. So, um so

3718
02:30:18,720 --> 02:30:20,479
it's even cheaper per acre for

3719
02:30:20,479 --> 02:30:23,920
residential parcels.

3720
02:30:23,920 --> 02:30:26,319
So, and commercial properties are 100%

3721
02:30:26,319 --> 02:30:28,319
taxed. So they're a lot more valuable

3722
02:30:28,319 --> 02:30:32,000
for city re revenue.

3723
02:30:32,000 --> 02:30:33,359
>> Yeah.

3724
02:30:33,359 --> 02:30:36,000
>> Okay. Your next slide. I think you're

3725
02:30:36,000 --> 02:30:38,399
still on the next one. Oh no. This is

3726
02:30:38,399 --> 02:30:40,640
this I already I already got on my soap

3727
02:30:40,640 --> 02:30:43,520
box about how Oh, I know. I know at this

3728
02:30:43,520 --> 02:30:44,720
point. Then I'm going to give it back to

3729
02:30:44,720 --> 02:30:48,720
Kaden. This one I was saying um if you

3730
02:30:48,720 --> 02:30:53,840
like what's the most important thing for us to to provide services? Well, it

3731
02:30:53,840 --> 02:30:55,840
really depends on the person you talk

3732
02:30:55,840 --> 02:30:58,080
to. Even women have different values

3733
02:30:58,080 --> 02:31:01,359
than men. And so you can't always base

3734
02:31:01,359 --> 02:31:03,520
decisions based on the three people that

3735
02:31:03,520 --> 02:31:05,439
you talk to or that are on your text

3736
02:31:05,439 --> 02:31:08,160
string. We have to look for more data to

3737
02:31:08,160 --> 02:31:12,240
understand. And so um o down here is

3738
02:31:12,240 --> 02:31:15,439
where do we rank um with the o our

3739
02:31:15,439 --> 02:31:18,800
overall tax burden and we're 19th in the

3740
02:31:18,800 --> 02:31:22,319
country um but only 38th in property tax

3741
02:31:22,319 --> 02:31:24,399
which means we have a low property tax

3742
02:31:24,399 --> 02:31:26,399
burden. But if you look at mandatory

3743
02:31:26,399 --> 02:31:28,160
fees, didn't we just talk about fees?

3744
02:31:28,160 --> 02:31:31,520
We're seventh. So we we really use fees

3745
02:31:31,520 --> 02:31:33,439
as a way to drive revenue in the state

3746
02:31:33,439 --> 02:31:36,319
of Utah. Just just thinking about how do

3747
02:31:36,319 --> 02:31:38,319
we generate revenue and if you lived in

3748
02:31:38,319 --> 02:31:39,680
a different neighboring city, they would

3749
02:31:39,680 --> 02:31:41,439
be generating it a different way. Okay.

3750
02:31:41,439 --> 02:31:43,040
I Kaden, I think you're the next one,

3751
02:31:43,040 --> 02:31:43,840
too.

3752
02:31:43,840 --> 02:31:44,640
>> Yeah, you are.

3753
02:31:44,640 --> 02:31:46,319
>> So just two graphics here. I like that

3754
02:31:46,319 --> 02:31:47,680
Chrissy put in here. Land uses the

3755
02:31:47,680 --> 02:31:50,319
invisible hand. So we have this graphic

3756
02:31:50,319 --> 02:31:51,840
that shows the comparison of a

3757
02:31:51,840 --> 02:31:54,720
traditional downtown mixeduse building.

3758
02:31:54,720 --> 02:31:56,479
uh with both residences and commercial

3759
02:31:56,479 --> 02:31:58,479
uses and then just like a traditional

3760
02:31:58,479 --> 02:32:01,920
big box store, Walmart. Um a big box

3761
02:32:01,920 --> 02:32:05,200
store consumes way more land and the

3762
02:32:05,200 --> 02:32:07,840
total property taxes per acre are

3763
02:32:07,840 --> 02:32:11,040
roughly 97 times higher for the a

3764
02:32:11,040 --> 02:32:13,520
mixeduse building in on a main street

3765
02:32:13,520 --> 02:32:18,240
than a big box store. Um there's more

3766
02:32:18,240 --> 02:32:21,760
jobs that could be created per acre. um

3767
02:32:21,760 --> 02:32:24,160
residents living there per acre and

3768
02:32:24,160 --> 02:32:27,520
sales tax uh per acre as well. So um the

3769
02:32:27,520 --> 02:32:28,880
cool thing about land use, it's really

3770
02:32:28,880 --> 02:32:30,160
just thinking about how you're using

3771
02:32:30,160 --> 02:32:32,640
each acre of your of your land in your

3772
02:32:32,640 --> 02:32:34,880
city because the most valuable resource,

3773
02:32:34,880 --> 02:32:38,080
as we learned today, is water and land

3774
02:32:38,080 --> 02:32:41,359
in a city. Um this graphic also shows

3775
02:32:41,359 --> 02:32:43,840
kind of the same thing. So you can see

3776
02:32:43,840 --> 02:32:47,280
44 acres are needed for this uh big box

3777
02:32:47,280 --> 02:32:49,600
store to operate. You can look in these

3778
02:32:49,600 --> 02:32:51,680
little

3779
02:32:51,680 --> 02:32:54,800
uh snapshots of how how much land that

3780
02:32:54,800 --> 02:32:56,479
takes up compared to a main street in

3781
02:32:56,479 --> 02:32:57,760
all these different cities in North

3782
02:32:57,760 --> 02:32:59,439
Carolina.

3783
02:32:59,439 --> 02:33:02,080
Um the the dark red on the main street

3784
02:33:02,080 --> 02:33:05,040
shows value per acre. And so you can see

3785
02:33:05,040 --> 02:33:06,960
how valuable kind of those parcels are

3786
02:33:06,960 --> 02:33:09,760
on the main street uh of these of these

3787
02:33:09,760 --> 02:33:13,200
towns. And also shows it here kind of

3788
02:33:13,200 --> 02:33:17,600
the value per acre of each parcel if you were to take it out to an acre.

3789
02:33:17,600 --> 02:33:19,439
So I think this just demonstrates like

3790
02:33:19,439 --> 02:33:24,319
really per acre if you had 44 acres of

3791
02:33:24,319 --> 02:33:26,640
productive mixeduse buildings which

3792
02:33:26,640 --> 02:33:28,479
obviously is unrealistic but just for

3793
02:33:28,479 --> 02:33:31,359
the hypothetical they would be way more

3794
02:33:31,359 --> 02:33:34,160
revenue generating for a city than even

3795
02:33:34,160 --> 02:33:36,640
a traditional big box store which

3796
02:33:36,640 --> 02:33:39,200
usually everyone totes as the the best

3797
02:33:39,200 --> 02:33:42,640
way to generate sales tax for a city. Um

3798
02:33:42,640 --> 02:33:44,640
so just keeping that in mind really it's

3799
02:33:44,640 --> 02:33:47,520
just how we use our land what we allow

3800
02:33:47,520 --> 02:33:50,479
um balancing mixed uh mixed uses

3801
02:33:50,479 --> 02:33:53,200
residential commercial um remembering

3802
02:33:53,200 --> 02:33:54,880
that land is our most valuable resource

3803
02:33:54,880 --> 02:33:57,760
to generate revenue.

3804
02:33:57,760 --> 02:33:59,920
>> Thank you.

3805
02:33:59,920 --> 02:34:02,240
Okay. What's our next slide? I can't

3806
02:34:02,240 --> 02:34:05,840
remember. Okay. All right. So, one thing

3807
02:34:05,840 --> 02:34:08,640
again by working with the um state tax

3808
02:34:08,640 --> 02:34:11,040
commission in our in our deep dive into

3809
02:34:11,040 --> 02:34:14,160
revenue sales tax only, we spent a full

3810
02:34:14,160 --> 02:34:16,800
hour on it. The person that was teaching

3811
02:34:16,800 --> 02:34:20,640
us mentioned that when we annex um land

3812
02:34:20,640 --> 02:34:22,720
into our city, we need to work with them

3813
02:34:22,720 --> 02:34:24,560
so that we're now collecting those

3814
02:34:24,560 --> 02:34:27,600
revenues. So without changing the

3815
02:34:27,600 --> 02:34:32,160
dynamics of um you know like like Kaden

3816
02:34:32,160 --> 02:34:33,680
mentioned like building our downtown

3817
02:34:33,680 --> 02:34:36,960
area or changing density any of those

3818
02:34:36,960 --> 02:34:40,240
kinds of things um just getting property

3819
02:34:40,240 --> 02:34:44,160
annexed will add to our sales tax. Also

3820
02:34:44,160 --> 02:34:47,200
property tax um when you are annexed

3821
02:34:47,200 --> 02:34:49,760
into the city you can get you will get

3822
02:34:49,760 --> 02:34:52,960
we will collect those taxes as well. So

3823
02:34:52,960 --> 02:34:55,760
other than annexation, we don't really

3824
02:34:55,760 --> 02:34:58,240
have any levers to pull for sales tax.

3825
02:34:58,240 --> 02:35:01,040
Like there's nothing really to do. Um I

3826
02:35:01,040 --> 02:35:04,560
mean we can we can encourage or

3827
02:35:04,560 --> 02:35:07,520
incentivize retail space here, but our

3828
02:35:07,520 --> 02:35:10,399
residents are not pro- retail. So I

3829
02:35:10,399 --> 02:35:12,240
think later in our meeting we might be

3830
02:35:12,240 --> 02:35:15,120
talking about one retail store that you

3831
02:35:15,120 --> 02:35:17,280
know may work in our that would work in

3832
02:35:17,280 --> 02:35:20,479
our city and that is like pretty niche.

3833
02:35:20,479 --> 02:35:22,080
You know, we always talk about Burgess

3834
02:35:22,080 --> 02:35:24,640
Orchard, but Burgess Orchard, the the

3835
02:35:24,640 --> 02:35:28,479
sales per visit is pretty low. And so we

3836
02:35:28,479 --> 02:35:31,439
when we talk about things, the invisible

3837
02:35:31,439 --> 02:35:33,200
hand being whether we're talking about

3838
02:35:33,200 --> 02:35:35,760
annexation or um let's go to the next

3839
02:35:35,760 --> 02:35:38,240
one. I think that's my last thing.

3840
02:35:38,240 --> 02:35:39,680
Whether we're talking about annexation

3841
02:35:39,680 --> 02:35:43,600
or density or um or commercial versus

3842
02:35:43,600 --> 02:35:46,160
zoning, commercial versus residential,

3843
02:35:46,160 --> 02:35:47,760
like sometimes we're talking about

3844
02:35:47,760 --> 02:35:49,600
height, we're talking about setbacks,

3845
02:35:49,600 --> 02:35:52,080
we're talking about uh parking, we're

3846
02:35:52,080 --> 02:35:54,560
talking about design. Let's not forget

3847
02:35:54,560 --> 02:35:56,399
to talk about what is the impact of

3848
02:35:56,399 --> 02:35:58,399
revenue. Okay? When we're talking about

3849
02:35:58,399 --> 02:36:00,479
annexation, we talk a lot about the

3850
02:36:00,479 --> 02:36:03,280
trails. We talk a lot about, you know,

3851
02:36:03,280 --> 02:36:05,439
what is the density, what is the slope,

3852
02:36:05,439 --> 02:36:07,200
you know, all of these things. Did we

3853
02:36:07,200 --> 02:36:09,280
talk about the revenue that's that's

3854
02:36:09,280 --> 02:36:11,920
generated by the annexation? And I just

3855
02:36:11,920 --> 02:36:13,680
feel like that that we now that we

3856
02:36:13,680 --> 02:36:15,280
understand it, it can be part of our

3857
02:36:15,280 --> 02:36:16,080
discussion.

3858
02:36:16,080 --> 02:36:18,160
>> And if you recall in the prior council

3859
02:36:18,160 --> 02:36:20,160
when there was an annexation petition,

3860
02:36:20,160 --> 02:36:21,680
you and I voted for it. We talked about

3861
02:36:21,680 --> 02:36:24,080
the increase in property taxes, but I

3862
02:36:24,080 --> 02:36:27,280
for failed to realize that of those 58

3863
02:36:27,280 --> 02:36:30,399
homes, there's also an e-commerce sales

3864
02:36:30,399 --> 02:36:31,840
tax revenue increase,

3865
02:36:31,840 --> 02:36:32,399
>> right,

3866
02:36:32,399 --> 02:36:34,000
>> that we didn't talk about. So that's

3867
02:36:34,000 --> 02:36:35,600
very helpful for that, too. So, in all

3868
02:36:35,600 --> 02:36:36,800
of these three things we've talked

3869
02:36:36,800 --> 02:36:38,479
about, remember these are ongoing

3870
02:36:38,479 --> 02:36:40,479
revenues. And this these are things you

3871
02:36:40,479 --> 02:36:42,800
can budget. You can budget for raises,

3872
02:36:42,800 --> 02:36:45,520
you can budget for um additional staff,

3873
02:36:45,520 --> 02:36:47,520
you can budget for things that are we

3874
02:36:47,520 --> 02:36:50,080
need to maintain our level of service,

3875
02:36:50,080 --> 02:36:52,560
but grants are great, but they just come

3876
02:36:52,560 --> 02:36:54,479
once and they you know what I mean? And

3877
02:36:54,479 --> 02:36:57,359
so, don't count on them to pay for their

3878
02:36:57,359 --> 02:36:59,920
ongoing cost of the city. So, again, I'm

3879
02:36:59,920 --> 02:37:02,800
going to use my same quote um as we

3880
02:37:02,800 --> 02:37:04,479
continue to have these discussions. That

3881
02:37:04,479 --> 02:37:07,200
was the whole point of um talking about

3882
02:37:07,200 --> 02:37:09,680
these topics was the future is not

3883
02:37:09,680 --> 02:37:11,120
something that you enter, it is

3884
02:37:11,120 --> 02:37:13,280
something that you create. Think about

3885
02:37:13,280 --> 02:37:15,439
our future. That's my final quote of the

3886
02:37:15,439 --> 02:37:15,760
day.

3887
02:37:15,760 --> 02:37:17,200
>> See, thank you very much Chrissy and

3888
02:37:17,200 --> 02:37:19,439
Kaden for that. And in the interest of

3889
02:37:19,439 --> 02:37:21,840
time, if you have any any additional

3890
02:37:21,840 --> 02:37:22,960
questions or thoughts you'd like to

3891
02:37:22,960 --> 02:37:24,399
share, we can do that amongst ourselves

3892
02:37:24,399 --> 02:37:26,640
as this is not an action item.

3893
02:37:26,640 --> 02:37:29,760
>> Uh Mayor Rumler, just one quick thing.

3894
02:37:29,760 --> 02:37:31,840
It's because it's an

3895
02:37:31,840 --> 02:37:33,760
>> 10 please or whatever.

3896
02:37:33,760 --> 02:37:35,520
It's an ask for help. So, just one thing

3897
02:37:35,520 --> 02:37:36,960
as it's on this topic, it won't get

3898
02:37:36,960 --> 02:37:38,240
brought up. Thank you. And I love the

3899
02:37:38,240 --> 02:37:40,880
quotes. One thing I could use some help

3900
02:37:40,880 --> 02:37:43,280
with. So, I was talking to the assessor

3901
02:37:43,280 --> 02:37:45,280
yesterday and I said, "Look, I know you

3902
02:37:45,280 --> 02:37:48,560
keep shifting from property tax to sales

3903
02:37:48,560 --> 02:37:50,880
tax and you just keep saying there

3904
02:37:50,880 --> 02:37:52,640
should is there any other option that

3905
02:37:52,640 --> 02:37:54,319
people are going outside of these to

3906
02:37:54,319 --> 02:37:56,399
find other sources of revenues?" He

3907
02:37:56,399 --> 02:37:57,520
said, "Yeah, there's a couple, but one

3908
02:37:57,520 --> 02:37:59,439
you're going to hate, but if you can

3909
02:37:59,439 --> 02:38:01,280
figure out a different way for Utah or

3910
02:38:01,280 --> 02:38:02,720
for Alpine, it'll really help." So,

3911
02:38:02,720 --> 02:38:03,840
that's why I was hoping you put your

3912
02:38:03,840 --> 02:38:05,760
thinking caps on because, you know, all

3913
02:38:05,760 --> 02:38:07,840
of our minds. So, the big one is the

3914
02:38:07,840 --> 02:38:09,760
lottery. That's what other people are

3915
02:38:09,760 --> 02:38:10,399
doing.

3916
02:38:10,399 --> 02:38:12,319
>> Obviously, we hate the Oh, sorry. I do

3917
02:38:12,319 --> 02:38:14,399
not like the lottery. Maybe you like uh

3918
02:38:14,399 --> 02:38:15,920
and so, but if you can think of

3919
02:38:15,920 --> 02:38:18,800
something like that, that is what other

3920
02:38:18,800 --> 02:38:21,680
places do to take the burden off the

3921
02:38:21,680 --> 02:38:23,920
residents from sales tax and property

3922
02:38:23,920 --> 02:38:27,439
tax. Um he also said mines. Some some

3923
02:38:27,439 --> 02:38:31,359
cities have mines, some cities have um

3924
02:38:31,359 --> 02:38:34,319
uh utilities. Now those are probably not

3925
02:38:34,319 --> 02:38:36,000
in our wheelhouse, but if we can come up

3926
02:38:36,000 --> 02:38:37,680
with some creative options that can

3927
02:38:37,680 --> 02:38:39,439
allow us to increase our This is what

3928
02:38:39,439 --> 02:38:40,960
he's saying. You can come up with these.

3929
02:38:40,960 --> 02:38:42,720
The residents can come up with these. If

3930
02:38:42,720 --> 02:38:45,120
you can figure out something uh

3931
02:38:45,120 --> 02:38:46,319
basically the opposite of the lottery,

3932
02:38:46,319 --> 02:38:48,880
but does the same thing. You can reduce

3933
02:38:48,880 --> 02:38:50,880
your property taxes dramatically. reduce

3934
02:38:50,880 --> 02:38:53,520
your sales tax or you don't need to.

3935
02:38:53,520 --> 02:38:54,640
You're not required to get so much

3936
02:38:54,640 --> 02:38:55,760
because you're getting so much from this

3937
02:38:55,760 --> 02:38:56,720
other source. That's all I was going to

3938
02:38:56,720 --> 02:38:58,080
say. So, if you have any other ideas,

3939
02:38:58,080 --> 02:39:00,080
I'm searching trying. If you have better

3940
02:39:00,080 --> 02:39:01,520
ones, let me know. Okay. Same with the

3941
02:39:01,520 --> 02:39:04,720
residents. If you come up with anything.

3942
02:39:04,720 --> 02:39:07,359
All right. Thank you. All right. We will

3943
02:39:07,359 --> 02:39:10,640
move to the action item portion of our

3944
02:39:10,640 --> 02:39:13,439
agenda. And Chris, you I think you came

3945
02:39:13,439 --> 02:39:15,359
after this, but we moved action item A

3946
02:39:15,359 --> 02:39:16,800
into the consent calendar and was

3947
02:39:16,800 --> 02:39:18,399
approved there. It was just a

3948
02:39:18,399 --> 02:39:19,920
clarification from the motion from two

3949
02:39:19,920 --> 02:39:21,520
weeks ago. All right, we'll talk about

3950
02:39:21,520 --> 02:39:23,600
the site plan approval. Long range

3951
02:39:23,600 --> 02:39:26,479
shooters of Utah and I'll have I'll ask

3952
02:39:26,479 --> 02:39:30,080
our staff to present that.

3953
02:39:30,080 --> 02:39:32,880
Thank you, council member. So, I think

3954
02:39:32,880 --> 02:39:36,000
everyone is familiar with this now. Um

3955
02:39:36,000 --> 02:39:37,920
it's been on the on the agenda a few

3956
02:39:37,920 --> 02:39:39,520
times now. So I won't go into a lot of

3957
02:39:39,520 --> 02:39:42,399
detail on on the background, but um this

3958
02:39:42,399 --> 02:39:45,600
is for a new uh retail

3959
02:39:45,600 --> 02:39:48,800
uh small retail gun shop to provide u

3960
02:39:48,800 --> 02:39:49,840
you know different things like

3961
02:39:49,840 --> 02:39:52,160
accessories, bipods, rifles, and it

3962
02:39:52,160 --> 02:39:54,319
includes a warehouse space for office

3963
02:39:54,319 --> 02:39:57,760
and space for uh to film content in and

3964
02:39:57,760 --> 02:40:00,560
a residence above the office area. So,

3965
02:40:00,560 --> 02:40:01,840
the last time this was brought before

3966
02:40:01,840 --> 02:40:06,160
council, it was tabled to consider

3967
02:40:06,160 --> 02:40:08,080
getting an exception to the parking lot

3968
02:40:08,080 --> 02:40:10,880
code for stall one and to provide a

3969
02:40:10,880 --> 02:40:13,359
sweat path analysis for the parking. So,

3970
02:40:13,359 --> 02:40:14,800
the parking stall one since it's a

3971
02:40:14,800 --> 02:40:17,760
90°ree parking stall, it requires 42

3972
02:40:17,760 --> 02:40:21,680
feet 24T of aisle space for backing out.

3973
02:40:21,680 --> 02:40:23,840
And so, the applicant has met that

3974
02:40:23,840 --> 02:40:26,640
requirement and updated their site plan

3975
02:40:26,640 --> 02:40:29,760
uh accordingly. And additionally, the

3976
02:40:29,760 --> 02:40:32,399
staff went through a sweep path analysis

3977
02:40:32,399 --> 02:40:34,720
with an engineering consultant. And the

3978
02:40:34,720 --> 02:40:37,439
results from that sweep path analysis

3979
02:40:37,439 --> 02:40:39,359
demonstrate the ability for vehicles to

3980
02:40:39,359 --> 02:40:40,880
back out of the parking stalls and exit

3981
02:40:40,880 --> 02:40:42,720
the site in a forward motion as required

3982
02:40:42,720 --> 02:40:45,520
by by code.

3983
02:40:45,520 --> 02:40:47,760
So, it was motioned in the that the

3984
02:40:47,760 --> 02:40:48,960
applicant return to the planning

3985
02:40:48,960 --> 02:40:50,399
commission to receive the parking lot

3986
02:40:50,399 --> 02:40:53,359
exception in 32430 of the Alpine

3987
02:40:53,359 --> 02:40:55,439
Development Code. Since the motion was

3988
02:40:55,439 --> 02:40:57,040
made, as I was just talking about, the

3989
02:40:57,040 --> 02:40:58,880
applicant has shifted their site plan to

3990
02:40:58,880 --> 02:41:00,640
meet all code requirements and therefore

3991
02:41:00,640 --> 02:41:03,040
no longer is in need of the exception.

3992
02:41:03,040 --> 02:41:05,120
So a return to plan commission would be

3993
02:41:05,120 --> 02:41:07,920
ineffective. And so per Alpine City

3994
02:41:07,920 --> 02:41:09,920
Attorney's suggestion and because they

3995
02:41:09,920 --> 02:41:11,359
no longer need the exception, the

3996
02:41:11,359 --> 02:41:14,240
council u should consider entertaining a

3997
02:41:14,240 --> 02:41:16,640
motion tonight to recognize the SWAT

3998
02:41:16,640 --> 02:41:19,439
path analysis performed and excuse staff

3999
02:41:19,439 --> 02:41:20,960
from referring the application to the

4000
02:41:20,960 --> 02:41:22,560
planning commission so that the council

4001
02:41:22,560 --> 02:41:24,000
can consider the site plan in this

4002
02:41:24,000 --> 02:41:26,319
meeting. So I have a motion for the

4003
02:41:26,319 --> 02:41:30,160
council to do that tonight. Um

4004
02:41:30,160 --> 02:41:32,240
and the staff would recommend that they

4005
02:41:32,240 --> 02:41:35,040
consider doing that. uh consider the

4006
02:41:35,040 --> 02:41:39,600
site plan uh because it meets uh the it

4007
02:41:39,600 --> 02:41:42,240
didn't need the exception and has been

4008
02:41:42,240 --> 02:41:44,640
referred back to the council to motion

4009
02:41:44,640 --> 02:41:46,800
to allow them to the council to consider

4010
02:41:46,800 --> 02:41:49,600
it tonight and then to go forward and

4011
02:41:49,600 --> 02:41:51,520
approve the site plan being that it

4012
02:41:51,520 --> 02:41:54,640
meets the code requirements.

4013
02:41:54,640 --> 02:41:56,160
That was a lot of talking. Let me just

4014
02:41:56,160 --> 02:42:01,110
go now to the site plan.

4015
02:42:01,120 --> 02:42:02,399
Katie, while you're going there, will

4016
02:42:02,399 --> 02:42:05,200
you just um just let us know when was

4017
02:42:05,200 --> 02:42:08,000
this last updated? Just

4018
02:42:08,000 --> 02:42:10,080
>> Yeah. So, this last week.

4019
02:42:10,080 --> 02:42:12,000
>> This last week before Friday.

4020
02:42:12,000 --> 02:42:12,479
>> Yes.

4021
02:42:12,479 --> 02:42:12,960
>> Okay.

4022
02:42:12,960 --> 02:42:15,680
>> Yes. In fact, now I think I might be

4023
02:42:15,680 --> 02:42:17,840
jumping the gun. Steve, should they do

4024
02:42:17,840 --> 02:42:20,880
the motion first um to consider the item

4025
02:42:20,880 --> 02:42:28,469
tonight? Would you say

4026
02:42:28,479 --> 02:42:30,479
» you could? I don't think it's necessary.

4027
02:42:30,479 --> 02:42:32,000
As long as you incorporate in the

4028
02:42:32,000 --> 02:42:34,720
motion, the suggested motion from staff,

4029
02:42:34,720 --> 02:42:38,560
I think that takes care of the um what

4030
02:42:38,560 --> 02:42:41,280
the item was tabled for and you

4031
02:42:41,280 --> 02:42:44,319
recognize that in your motion to approve

4032
02:42:44,319 --> 02:42:46,000
or to deny.

4033
02:42:46,000 --> 02:42:49,359
>> So combine the two then in that way.

4034
02:42:49,359 --> 02:42:51,040
>> Yeah, I think I would just follow the

4035
02:42:51,040 --> 02:42:53,520
suggested motion in the staff report.

4036
02:42:53,520 --> 02:42:56,870
>> Great.

4037
02:42:56,880 --> 02:42:59,120
» We got an email today. At least I

4038
02:42:59,120 --> 02:43:00,560
received an email. I showed it to Shane

4039
02:43:00,560 --> 02:43:02,160
right before the meeting. I think you

4040
02:43:02,160 --> 02:43:05,600
got a copy of it from the applicant with

4041
02:43:05,600 --> 02:43:08,000
a uh a couple of different things. One

4042
02:43:08,000 --> 02:43:11,359
included a in response to neighbors

4043
02:43:11,359 --> 02:43:15,040
concerns about addition concerns about

4044
02:43:15,040 --> 02:43:18,479
the parking the vehicles backing up into

4045
02:43:18,479 --> 02:43:21,439
the onto the sidewalk. The applicant

4046
02:43:21,439 --> 02:43:23,760
added to metal planters between the

4047
02:43:23,760 --> 02:43:25,840
parking lot and the sidewalk to create

4048
02:43:25,840 --> 02:43:31,680
that kind of barrier. Yeah, that's why I was asking what when how up

4049
02:43:31,680 --> 02:43:33,120
to date is the

4050
02:43:33,120 --> 02:43:33,920
>> right stuff.

4051
02:43:33,920 --> 02:43:36,560
>> Yeah, so that is reflected that this was

4052
02:43:36,560 --> 02:43:38,160
that was added to the packet to show

4053
02:43:38,160 --> 02:43:40,399
those planter boxes.

4054
02:43:40,399 --> 02:43:44,160
>> Um the the landscaping plan was provided

4055
02:43:44,160 --> 02:43:45,840
after last weekend.

4056
02:43:45,840 --> 02:43:46,560
>> Yeah.

4057
02:43:46,560 --> 02:43:48,479
>> Okay. So, we don't need to make mo a

4058
02:43:48,479 --> 02:43:49,600
mention of that in the motion. That's

4059
02:43:49,600 --> 02:43:51,680
what Shane had recommended if it if this

4060
02:43:51,680 --> 02:43:54,000
didn't already consider that.

4061
02:43:54,000 --> 02:43:55,680
>> Yeah. I I don't think so. I think you

4062
02:43:55,680 --> 02:43:57,120
can consider it just saying the

4063
02:43:57,120 --> 02:43:59,600
landscape planners were presented today.

4064
02:43:59,600 --> 02:44:02,160
Um, both are actually included here. I

4065
02:44:02,160 --> 02:44:04,479
can show both here. All it does is show

4066
02:44:04,479 --> 02:44:08,080
those new planner boxes and um and

4067
02:44:08,080 --> 02:44:11,120
that's really it. So,

4068
02:44:11,120 --> 02:44:12,640
>> and just I I want I'm not going to

4069
02:44:12,640 --> 02:44:18,240
repeat what I what I talked about two meetings ago twice. Well, we t this

4070
02:44:18,240 --> 02:44:19,200
is the third time we've talked about

4071
02:44:19,200 --> 02:44:19,600
this.

4072
02:44:19,600 --> 02:44:20,240
>> Correct.

4073
02:44:20,240 --> 02:44:21,920
>> Um,

4074
02:44:21,920 --> 02:44:24,960
and I was Yeah. Okay.

4075
02:44:24,960 --> 02:44:27,279
And I did listen to the discussion from

4076
02:44:27,279 --> 02:44:29,920
two weeks ago when I was um overseas and

4077
02:44:29,920 --> 02:44:32,319
wasn't able to participate. I just like

4078
02:44:32,319 --> 02:44:38,800
to have you clarify why what in what of the ordinance of our statute re

4079
02:44:38,800 --> 02:44:41,120
um as you recommend that we approve

4080
02:44:41,120 --> 02:44:44,160
this. It's the wording is is shall

4081
02:44:44,160 --> 02:44:45,760
recommend if it meets the requirements.

4082
02:44:45,760 --> 02:44:46,960
Right.

4083
02:44:46,960 --> 02:44:47,520
>> Right.

4084
02:44:47,520 --> 02:44:48,080
>> Okay.

4085
02:44:48,080 --> 02:44:48,640
>> Yes.

4086
02:44:48,640 --> 02:44:50,800
>> Just want to clarify that. Okay. Any

4087
02:44:50,800 --> 02:44:53,439
other questions for

4088
02:44:53,439 --> 02:44:56,080
>> I think that's just reflective of the

4089
02:44:56,080 --> 02:44:57,840
fact that this is an administrative

4090
02:44:57,840 --> 02:45:01,040
decision and the council as a

4091
02:45:01,040 --> 02:45:02,960
legislative body doesn't always get

4092
02:45:02,960 --> 02:45:05,120
involved in administrative decisions

4093
02:45:05,120 --> 02:45:07,279
according to our ordinance. This is an

4094
02:45:07,279 --> 02:45:09,279
administrative decision the council can

4095
02:45:09,279 --> 02:45:12,960
make. But I would stick with does this

4096
02:45:12,960 --> 02:45:15,120
meet the code or doesn't it meet the

4097
02:45:15,120 --> 02:45:18,080
code? Not do we like it aesthetically?

4098
02:45:18,080 --> 02:45:20,960
Do we, you know, do we think as a policy

4099
02:45:20,960 --> 02:45:23,120
matter it's a good or a bad idea to be

4100
02:45:23,120 --> 02:45:24,479
in this location.

4101
02:45:24,479 --> 02:45:25,200
>> Thank you for asking.

4102
02:45:25,200 --> 02:45:26,319
>> Whether it meets the code,

4103
02:45:26,319 --> 02:45:28,960
>> right? And the reason it was tabled last

4104
02:45:28,960 --> 02:45:30,720
time was for a very specific reason

4105
02:45:30,720 --> 02:45:32,000
that's been addressed.

4106
02:45:32,000 --> 02:45:33,040
>> That's correct.

4107
02:45:33,040 --> 02:45:34,240
>> So, if there are no further questions,

4108
02:45:34,240 --> 02:45:35,680
if if anyone would like to make a

4109
02:45:35,680 --> 02:45:36,319
motion.

4110
02:45:36,319 --> 02:45:38,640
>> Can can I make a few comments?

4111
02:45:38,640 --> 02:45:39,439
>> Oh, sure.

4112
02:45:39,439 --> 02:45:41,840
>> Um, I'm just I would ask you because

4113
02:45:41,840 --> 02:45:44,000
you're acting as mayor. um some of the

4114
02:45:44,000 --> 02:45:47,120
residents didn't get a opportunity to

4115
02:45:47,120 --> 02:45:48,880
make public comment and I know we've

4116
02:45:48,880 --> 02:45:50,399
received lots of emails. Is that

4117
02:45:50,399 --> 02:45:52,080
something that we could still facilitate

4118
02:45:52,080 --> 02:45:53,920
for those residents?

4119
02:45:53,920 --> 02:45:57,040
>> So, I would defer to what the mayor has

4120
02:45:57,040 --> 02:45:59,520
um her the position that has been done

4121
02:45:59,520 --> 02:46:02,479
in the past in the past meetings and to

4122
02:46:02,479 --> 02:46:07,680
our guidance from our from our attorney

4123
02:46:07,680 --> 02:46:09,120
on the public comment.

4124
02:46:09,120 --> 02:46:11,040
>> I think that's that's up to the mayor

4125
02:46:11,040 --> 02:46:14,000
prom. Um, the fact that they've already

4126
02:46:14,000 --> 02:46:16,880
submitted emails tells me that the

4127
02:46:16,880 --> 02:46:19,520
council has reviewed their comments. If

4128
02:46:19,520 --> 02:46:21,359
it's helpful to hear it verbally here

4129
02:46:21,359 --> 02:46:23,600
and orally in a meeting, then that's

4130
02:46:23,600 --> 02:46:24,800
something you could take into

4131
02:46:24,800 --> 02:46:29,359
consideration. But they've already submitted comments.

4132
02:46:29,359 --> 02:46:31,279
So, I' I've personally read every single

4133
02:46:31,279 --> 02:46:35,359
email and and I and I do appreciate

4134
02:46:35,359 --> 02:46:37,279
every email that was sent and all the

4135
02:46:37,279 --> 02:46:38,479
points that were made. And I also

4136
02:46:38,479 --> 02:46:40,640
appreciate the applicant considering

4137
02:46:40,640 --> 02:46:42,720
those um requests of the neighbors as

4138
02:46:42,720 --> 02:46:45,600
well. I think the applicant meets the

4139
02:46:45,600 --> 02:46:49,840
ordinance and has done a a commendable

4140
02:46:49,840 --> 02:46:51,680
job of trying to work with the

4141
02:46:51,680 --> 02:46:53,040
neighbors. I know it's not the ideal

4142
02:46:53,040 --> 02:46:55,920
situation for some of the neighbors. Um

4143
02:46:55,920 --> 02:46:57,680
but I do commend the applicant for for

4144
02:46:57,680 --> 02:46:59,680
what they've done even today for

4145
02:46:59,680 --> 02:47:02,640
addressing Mr. um Marvin Payne. I

4146
02:47:02,640 --> 02:47:04,319
appreciate your text yesterday. Sorry I

4147
02:47:04,319 --> 02:47:05,920
didn't respond. just getting back into

4148
02:47:05,920 --> 02:47:09,120
the country and trying to get get caught

4149
02:47:09,120 --> 02:47:11,279
up to everything. And you recommended a

4150
02:47:11,279 --> 02:47:15,439
two-ft wall along that path and just the

4151
02:47:15,439 --> 02:47:17,200
next day the applicant came back and

4152
02:47:17,200 --> 02:47:19,359
said, "We've put planters in to address

4153
02:47:19,359 --> 02:47:21,359
those concerns about the neighbors." So,

4154
02:47:21,359 --> 02:47:25,040
I do appreciate that. Um, has anyone not

4155
02:47:25,040 --> 02:47:27,920
had a chance to review all those emails?

4156
02:47:27,920 --> 02:47:29,359
I think I'm going to stick then with

4157
02:47:29,359 --> 02:47:32,000
what the mayor Merryill has has decided

4158
02:47:32,000 --> 02:47:35,920
in the past and stick with our policy.

4159
02:47:35,920 --> 02:47:38,720
>> Am I okay then to make a few question or

4160
02:47:38,720 --> 02:47:40,000
ask a few questions, make a few

4161
02:47:40,000 --> 02:47:40,720
comments?

4162
02:47:40,720 --> 02:47:41,279
>> Sure.

4163
02:47:41,279 --> 02:47:43,120
>> Okay. Are we starting that

4164
02:47:43,120 --> 02:47:46,160
>> questions of related to this staff

4165
02:47:46,160 --> 02:47:47,279
report or

4166
02:47:47,279 --> 02:47:47,680
>> Yes.

4167
02:47:47,680 --> 02:47:49,600
>> Okay. Is it that or do we do a motion

4168
02:47:49,600 --> 02:47:52,720
and then we discuss the motion?

4169
02:47:52,720 --> 02:47:54,160
>> I'm fine with you making go ahead and

4170
02:47:54,160 --> 02:47:56,399
make comments. Well, I just since some

4171
02:47:56,399 --> 02:47:57,920
of the residents were unable to make a

4172
02:47:57,920 --> 02:47:59,439
public comment regarding this action

4173
02:47:59,439 --> 02:48:01,760
item, as a representative of the

4174
02:48:01,760 --> 02:48:04,319
residents, I felt it necessary for their

4175
02:48:04,319 --> 02:48:07,040
concerns to be noted on public record.

4176
02:48:07,040 --> 02:48:09,040
And so, I just wanted to briefly just

4177
02:48:09,040 --> 02:48:12,240
mention some of these. Um, the primary

4178
02:48:12,240 --> 02:48:14,000
concern that I have received that you

4179
02:48:14,000 --> 02:48:15,439
all probably have received in your

4180
02:48:15,439 --> 02:48:18,800
emails from them is about safety. And I

4181
02:48:18,800 --> 02:48:20,240
really do appreciate the efforts that

4182
02:48:20,240 --> 02:48:21,920
have been taken to do a sweat path

4183
02:48:21,920 --> 02:48:24,880
analysis. Um, one of those concerns from

4184
02:48:24,880 --> 02:48:27,520
the residents is, is it possible for a

4185
02:48:27,520 --> 02:48:29,840
vehicle larger than 19 ft to exit the

4186
02:48:29,840 --> 02:48:32,880
parking lot? Um, and what length of

4187
02:48:32,880 --> 02:48:35,600
vehicle was used for that sweat path

4188
02:48:35,600 --> 02:48:38,399
analysis. Um, just for reference, a

4189
02:48:38,399 --> 02:48:40,800
pickup truck or SUV is typically 18 to

4190
02:48:40,800 --> 02:48:43,120
22 feet. So, I was just curious if you

4191
02:48:43,120 --> 02:48:49,120
could give us an idea of the

4192
02:48:49,120 --> 02:48:52,319
>> So, the industry standard is 7 by 19 ft.

4193
02:48:52,319 --> 02:48:54,640
That's according to Ashtto engineering

4194
02:48:54,640 --> 02:48:56,960
it guidelines and so that was what was

4195
02:48:56,960 --> 02:48:59,040
used in the sweatpath analysis.

4196
02:48:59,040 --> 02:48:59,840
>> Yeah,

4197
02:48:59,840 --> 02:49:01,279
>> thank you.

4198
02:49:01,279 --> 02:49:03,439
>> Um, is this developer required to

4199
02:49:03,439 --> 02:49:04,960
provide visual and structural

4200
02:49:04,960 --> 02:49:07,520
protections perhaps in the form of some

4201
02:49:07,520 --> 02:49:09,760
type of buffer or fence between them and

4202
02:49:09,760 --> 02:49:11,920
another property

4203
02:49:11,920 --> 02:49:15,439
>> only where the parking exists. That that

4204
02:49:15,439 --> 02:49:17,279
is what is required in the code. So, not

4205
02:49:17,279 --> 02:49:21,439
on any of the north, east, or west um

4206
02:49:21,439 --> 02:49:23,840
borders to the neighboring properties,

4207
02:49:23,840 --> 02:49:27,359
>> right? Only only where the parking is.

4208
02:49:27,359 --> 02:49:28,000
>> Yeah.

4209
02:49:28,000 --> 02:49:29,760
>> Okay. And just out of curiosity, would

4210
02:49:29,760 --> 02:49:32,399
the setbacks how would the setbacks be

4211
02:49:32,399 --> 02:49:34,399
different if this were a home being

4212
02:49:34,399 --> 02:49:36,319
built there versus a commercial

4213
02:49:36,319 --> 02:49:37,760
building?

4214
02:49:37,760 --> 02:49:39,439
>> That is a good question. I think it

4215
02:49:39,439 --> 02:49:41,760
would be a little bit deeper. Um since

4216
02:49:41,760 --> 02:49:43,439
I'm new here, I don't actually know the

4217
02:49:43,439 --> 02:49:48,160
TR 10,000 for that. Setbacks 30 ft, rear

4218
02:49:48,160 --> 02:49:51,920
20, minimum 10 foot on a side with a

4219
02:49:51,920 --> 02:49:54,080
total of 22.

4220
02:49:54,080 --> 02:49:54,880
>> Thank you.

4221
02:49:54,880 --> 02:49:56,479
>> But for clarification, this is in the

4222
02:49:56,479 --> 02:49:57,520
business commercial zone.

4223
02:49:57,520 --> 02:49:58,080
>> Correct.

4224
02:49:58,080 --> 02:49:59,439
>> Yes.

4225
02:49:59,439 --> 02:50:01,439
>> Um

4226
02:50:01,439 --> 02:50:03,520
uh can you just walk us through what

4227
02:50:03,520 --> 02:50:06,800
changes the the applicant made as far as

4228
02:50:06,800 --> 02:50:08,800
like the size or the footprint? You

4229
02:50:08,800 --> 02:50:10,479
know, I know they started with how many

4230
02:50:10,479 --> 02:50:12,160
times have they reduced it and do you

4231
02:50:12,160 --> 02:50:14,720
know approximately by how much?

4232
02:50:14,720 --> 02:50:19,200
>> Yeah. So originally the building was

4233
02:50:19,200 --> 02:50:20,319
let's see I actually don't know the

4234
02:50:20,319 --> 02:50:21,920
original size but I know it has been

4235
02:50:21,920 --> 02:50:25,200
reduced by 789 square feet since the

4236
02:50:25,200 --> 02:50:28,000
original proposal. Um I can show that

4237
02:50:28,000 --> 02:50:34,150
here.

4238
02:50:34,160 --> 02:50:39,279
So, the retail was pushing 2,000

4239
02:50:39,279 --> 02:50:41,279
8 like 1,900

4240
02:50:41,279 --> 02:50:45,680
and the garage was over 2,200 here. So,

4241
02:50:45,680 --> 02:50:48,880
>> thank you. Um, and just to clarify on

4242
02:50:48,880 --> 02:50:50,560
why this didn't go back to planning

4243
02:50:50,560 --> 02:50:53,680
commission, that was more according to Steve like an

4244
02:50:53,680 --> 02:50:55,439
administrative decision because it

4245
02:50:55,439 --> 02:50:57,439
didn't no longer stop the exception.

4246
02:50:57,439 --> 02:50:57,840
>> Correct.

4247
02:50:57,840 --> 02:50:59,040
>> I just want to make sure I understand

4248
02:50:59,040 --> 02:51:01,520
that. And then um this is I guess a

4249
02:51:01,520 --> 02:51:04,560
little more for the applicant is do you

4250
02:51:04,560 --> 02:51:06,720
intend on having deliveries made by

4251
02:51:06,720 --> 02:51:10,640
large delivery trucks? Um and then if

4252
02:51:10,640 --> 02:51:12,720
so, what is the path that you see these

4253
02:51:12,720 --> 02:51:15,439
trucks operating?

4254
02:51:15,439 --> 02:51:17,439
>> I can speak to that real quick and then

4255
02:51:17,439 --> 02:51:19,279
maybe the applicant can I I know that

4256
02:51:19,279 --> 02:51:21,920
they're not planning on large delivery

4257
02:51:21,920 --> 02:51:24,399
trucks. Anything that would go to a home

4258
02:51:24,399 --> 02:51:26,720
is what they're intending.

4259
02:51:26,720 --> 02:51:30,160
>> So UPS drop off Amazon. Yeah, is all

4260
02:51:30,160 --> 02:51:32,000
that would be dropping off.

4261
02:51:32,000 --> 02:51:34,880
>> Okay, thanks. Um I Yeah, I guess if you

4262
02:51:34,880 --> 02:51:39,200
have more to add, that's great.

4263
02:51:39,200 --> 02:51:40,080
>> If that's okay.

4264
02:51:40,080 --> 02:51:41,680
>> Absolutely. [laughter]

4265
02:51:41,680 --> 02:51:43,359
>> And Sarah, thank you. I think this is a

4266
02:51:43,359 --> 02:51:44,319
very good way to do it and that's how

4267
02:51:44,319 --> 02:51:46,080
we've done it in the past is bring it up

4268
02:51:46,080 --> 02:51:48,479
with as council members.

4269
02:51:48,479 --> 02:51:49,120
>> That's right.

4270
02:51:49,120 --> 02:51:49,760
>> Excellent.

4271
02:51:49,760 --> 02:51:51,520
>> Okay. Your instincts are right on

4272
02:51:51,520 --> 02:51:53,680
>> to speak. He he was we did the swept

4273
02:51:53,680 --> 02:51:57,120
analysis together. I paid for it. Um, we

4274
02:51:57,120 --> 02:51:59,040
went as so far as to have the sweep path

4275
02:51:59,040 --> 02:52:01,040
guy actually take a UPS truck, the

4276
02:52:01,040 --> 02:52:02,479
biggest truck they could do, and show

4277
02:52:02,479 --> 02:52:04,319
that it could enter the parking lot and

4278
02:52:04,319 --> 02:52:07,279
exit the parking lot. Janice Aiden, you

4279
02:52:07,279 --> 02:52:08,720
guys may know her. She lives on my

4280
02:52:08,720 --> 02:52:10,160
street. She's about the sweetest human

4281
02:52:10,160 --> 02:52:12,560
being on the planet. When she saw the

4282
02:52:12,560 --> 02:52:14,160
posts on the Facebook group, she

4283
02:52:14,160 --> 02:52:16,240
commented and said, "I know those guys

4284
02:52:16,240 --> 02:52:18,319
really well. They're my neighbor, and I

4285
02:52:18,319 --> 02:52:20,000
never knew over the past 10 years that

4286
02:52:20,000 --> 02:52:21,600
they'd running a business out of there.

4287
02:52:21,600 --> 02:52:23,520
That's not going to change. We don't

4288
02:52:23,520 --> 02:52:26,640
expect freight. It's Amazon, it's UPS,

4289
02:52:26,640 --> 02:52:29,680
it's FedEx, and again, not that much. I

4290
02:52:29,680 --> 02:52:31,120
mean, no, no more than any of our

4291
02:52:31,120 --> 02:52:34,160
neighbors have ever gotten. So, um, I

4292
02:52:34,160 --> 02:52:35,520
would say we're not going to get any

4293
02:52:35,520 --> 02:52:37,040
more than the residents are, and we have

4294
02:52:37,040 --> 02:52:38,479
a big parking lot for them to park in

4295
02:52:38,479 --> 02:52:40,000
while they deliver where most people do

4296
02:52:40,000 --> 02:52:41,200
not have that. They have to park on the

4297
02:52:41,200 --> 02:52:42,080
street. So,

4298
02:52:42,080 --> 02:52:46,070
>> thank you.

4299
02:52:46,080 --> 02:52:47,600
» I don't have a crystal ball, and I don't

4300
02:52:47,600 --> 02:52:48,960
think anybody else does either, but we

4301
02:52:48,960 --> 02:52:51,359
have a nice big parking lot.

4302
02:52:51,359 --> 02:52:53,279
We don't have a giant warehouse. It's a

4303
02:52:53,279 --> 02:52:54,960
garage now. Now we remove seven feet

4304
02:52:54,960 --> 02:52:56,560
from the front of it. So it's not

4305
02:52:56,560 --> 02:52:59,040
terribly big. So it's not as if it's a

4306
02:52:59,040 --> 02:53:01,439
freight dock. It's not purple mattress.

4307
02:53:01,439 --> 02:53:03,279
>> And and the planters, I appreciate your

4308
02:53:03,279 --> 02:53:06,800
email today. Um how how tall are those?

4309
02:53:06,800 --> 02:53:07,600
Just

4310
02:53:07,600 --> 02:53:09,040
>> I mean we can make them as tall as you

4311
02:53:09,040 --> 02:53:11,439
want. We were thinking like 36 in.

4312
02:53:11,439 --> 02:53:12,000
>> Oh yeah.

4313
02:53:12,000 --> 02:53:13,439
>> It just kind of depends on what's

4314
02:53:13,439 --> 02:53:15,200
available in the market and what what's

4315
02:53:15,200 --> 02:53:16,399
reasonable because they have to be kind

4316
02:53:16,399 --> 02:53:18,479
of skinny to fit in that space. So,

4317
02:53:18,479 --> 02:53:19,040
>> right.

4318
02:53:19,040 --> 02:53:22,080
>> Tall enough that a F-150 can't back over

4319
02:53:22,080 --> 02:53:24,080
it and hit the sidewalk is the point.

4320
02:53:24,080 --> 02:53:26,319
>> Okay. Yeah, that was just a concern of

4321
02:53:26,319 --> 02:53:26,960
like

4322
02:53:26,960 --> 02:53:28,240
>> exactly why we put them in there.

4323
02:53:28,240 --> 02:53:29,760
>> Yes. Okay. I just wanted

4324
02:53:29,760 --> 02:53:31,279
>> provided examples too what they look

4325
02:53:31,279 --> 02:53:31,520
like.

4326
02:53:31,520 --> 02:53:33,760
>> Great. I just wanted you to be able to

4327
02:53:33,760 --> 02:53:36,560
mention that today. Yeah. Thank you. Um

4328
02:53:36,560 --> 02:53:39,600
and then um just in conclusion, my

4329
02:53:39,600 --> 02:53:42,319
purpose is to represent the voice of the

4330
02:53:42,319 --> 02:53:44,160
residents. I feel like it's also to

4331
02:53:44,160 --> 02:53:45,760
ensure that we're following our own

4332
02:53:45,760 --> 02:53:49,040
procedures and codes. And I've heard

4333
02:53:49,040 --> 02:53:50,800
various things from residents on both

4334
02:53:50,800 --> 02:53:52,399
sides of this action item. And

4335
02:53:52,399 --> 02:53:54,160
ultimately, if an applicant meets our

4336
02:53:54,160 --> 02:53:57,600
requirements, regardless of any sort of

4337
02:53:57,600 --> 02:53:59,439
personal feelings or whatever, I feel

4338
02:53:59,439 --> 02:54:01,760
like ultimately it's my obligation to

4339
02:54:01,760 --> 02:54:04,720
follow our code. Um, and I just want to

4340
02:54:04,720 --> 02:54:06,720
explain the process. If we choose not to

4341
02:54:06,720 --> 02:54:09,840
follow, then it goes to he um the

4342
02:54:09,840 --> 02:54:12,399
applicant can appeal and then it's heard

4343
02:54:12,399 --> 02:54:15,279
by um I don't know the official type,

4344
02:54:15,279 --> 02:54:16,160
but it ends up

4345
02:54:16,160 --> 02:54:16,720
>> hearing officer

4346
02:54:16,720 --> 02:54:18,399
>> hearing officers. Thank you, Shane. And

4347
02:54:18,399 --> 02:54:21,200
then it ends up cost we pay for that. So

4348
02:54:21,200 --> 02:54:23,120
is that is that correct?

4349
02:54:23,120 --> 02:54:25,040
>> There's actually an application fee, but

4350
02:54:25,040 --> 02:54:26,960
if the cost exceeds that the way it's

4351
02:54:26,960 --> 02:54:29,120
set up right now, then the city eats it.

4352
02:54:29,120 --> 02:54:31,920
>> Yeah. And then so it ends up costing the

4353
02:54:31,920 --> 02:54:36,080
city more money. Um and um I believe the

4354
02:54:36,080 --> 02:54:37,680
reason why this has come three times is

4355
02:54:37,680 --> 02:54:39,520
because we're we're been trying to work

4356
02:54:39,520 --> 02:54:41,359
through some of the ambiguity in our

4357
02:54:41,359 --> 02:54:45,840
code. And um just I mean this has been a

4358
02:54:45,840 --> 02:54:47,920
great experience. Not probably not for

4359
02:54:47,920 --> 02:54:49,920
everyone, [laughter] but the silver

4360
02:54:49,920 --> 02:54:51,920
lining is is that there's a few things

4361
02:54:51,920 --> 02:54:53,760
that have come to light throughout the

4362
02:54:53,760 --> 02:54:56,720
situation. Maybe, you know, just a more

4363
02:54:56,720 --> 02:54:59,120
thoughtful approach on our zoning, visi

4364
02:54:59,120 --> 02:55:01,520
revisiting our parking codes, some

4365
02:55:01,520 --> 02:55:04,080
procedural clarification, maybe looking

4366
02:55:04,080 --> 02:55:06,960
into bulk and massing, and just making

4367
02:55:06,960 --> 02:55:08,800
sure our historic design guidelines need

4368
02:55:08,800 --> 02:55:10,399
to be more precise. And I just feel like

4369
02:55:10,399 --> 02:55:12,880
if you know on our end, those are some

4370
02:55:12,880 --> 02:55:14,800
takeaways that maybe would have helped

4371
02:55:14,800 --> 02:55:16,479
the applicants and the residents a

4372
02:55:16,479 --> 02:55:18,560
little bit more. So, moving forward, you

4373
02:55:18,560 --> 02:55:20,560
know, I see that as my

4374
02:55:20,560 --> 02:55:22,720
>> maybe role moving forward with

4375
02:55:22,720 --> 02:55:24,560
pertaining to this situation. So, thank

4376
02:55:24,560 --> 02:55:25,439
you.

4377
02:55:25,439 --> 02:55:27,040
>> Thank you, sir. Uh, Chrissy, do you have

4378
02:55:27,040 --> 02:55:28,960
any questions for the applicant or for

4379
02:55:28,960 --> 02:55:29,760
our staff?

4380
02:55:29,760 --> 02:55:31,680
>> No, thank you for going over all that in

4381
02:55:31,680 --> 02:55:32,880
detail. I appreciate it.

4382
02:55:32,880 --> 02:55:34,479
>> Uh, Andrew, do you have any questions

4383
02:55:34,479 --> 02:55:35,680
for staff or

4384
02:55:35,680 --> 02:55:37,920
>> uh that was good. Thanks for all the

4385
02:55:37,920 --> 02:55:39,680
questions, Sarah. A lot of those were

4386
02:55:39,680 --> 02:55:41,279
the same ones I had.

4387
02:55:41,279 --> 02:55:44,479
>> Is it uh is it okay? I know you have the

4388
02:55:44,479 --> 02:55:47,200
policy, but

4389
02:55:47,200 --> 02:55:49,120
>> pardon what? Is it

4390
02:55:49,120 --> 02:55:52,560
>> you talk to us? There seems to be uh

4391
02:55:52,560 --> 02:55:56,000
some residents that feel um can I use my

4392
02:55:56,000 --> 02:55:57,760
time to let them say a couple things

4393
02:55:57,760 --> 02:55:59,520
just so there's a little bit of equal

4394
02:55:59,520 --> 02:56:01,279
time or can I ask them a couple

4395
02:56:01,279 --> 02:56:01,920
questions?

4396
02:56:01,920 --> 02:56:03,920
>> No, I no. I think we should stick with

4397
02:56:03,920 --> 02:56:05,760
our our policy and the guidance from our

4398
02:56:05,760 --> 02:56:06,560
attorney.

4399
02:56:06,560 --> 02:56:08,560
>> Well, but uh we

4400
02:56:08,560 --> 02:56:10,000
>> do you do you know what they are?

4401
02:56:10,000 --> 02:56:11,600
>> No, I don't. Wait, wait, wait.

4402
02:56:11,600 --> 02:56:14,319
>> Different than what the emails relayed?

4403
02:56:14,319 --> 02:56:17,439
>> Well, no. I just saw and this is a

4404
02:56:17,439 --> 02:56:19,840
little rare because we have they are

4405
02:56:19,840 --> 02:56:21,120
both residents. Okay.

4406
02:56:21,120 --> 02:56:22,479
>> This kind of the reason we stick with

4407
02:56:22,479 --> 02:56:23,520
our ordinance we're going to stick with

4408
02:56:23,520 --> 02:56:24,080
the policy.

4409
02:56:24,080 --> 02:56:25,760
>> I think one thing to understand about a

4410
02:56:25,760 --> 02:56:27,600
public meeting is we're having a a

4411
02:56:27,600 --> 02:56:29,040
public meeting among us.

4412
02:56:29,040 --> 02:56:30,000
>> No, I know. I know.

4413
02:56:30,000 --> 02:56:31,120
>> And so,

4414
02:56:31,120 --> 02:56:32,080
>> but at the end of

4415
02:56:32,080 --> 02:56:33,920
>> a public it's a meeting in a public

4416
02:56:33,920 --> 02:56:35,920
setting, but it's not a public hearing

4417
02:56:35,920 --> 02:56:37,279
which when they have all the

4418
02:56:37,279 --> 02:56:39,040
opportunities to talk. So, just

4419
02:56:39,040 --> 02:56:40,399
understand there's a big difference

4420
02:56:40,399 --> 02:56:41,840
between a public hearing and a public

4421
02:56:41,840 --> 02:56:42,080
hearing.

4422
02:56:42,080 --> 02:56:44,319
>> Okay. Just as from what we've been said,

4423
02:56:44,319 --> 02:56:46,399
is there anything that we are missing

4424
02:56:46,399 --> 02:56:48,880
that has not been brought up by any of

4425
02:56:48,880 --> 02:56:51,279
the residents here besides

4426
02:56:51,279 --> 02:56:53,120
>> is there something pertinent that we

4427
02:56:53,120 --> 02:56:54,800
should know that has not been brought

4428
02:56:54,800 --> 02:56:57,279
up? Is that an okay question to ask that

4429
02:56:57,279 --> 02:56:58,479
wasn't in the emails or

4430
02:56:58,479 --> 02:56:59,840
>> I think they've been pretty thorough in

4431
02:56:59,840 --> 02:57:02,080
their their communications to to

4432
02:57:02,080 --> 02:57:06,178
council.

4433
02:57:06,188 --> 02:57:06,560
[clears throat]

4434
02:57:06,560 --> 02:57:07,040
>> All right.

4435
02:57:07,040 --> 02:57:08,960
Um, I will allow that

4436
02:57:08,960 --> 02:57:12,080
question because that was brought up two meetings ago when I was

4437
02:57:12,080 --> 02:57:12,960
participating.

4438
02:57:12,960 --> 02:57:13,439
>> So, can

4439
02:57:13,439 --> 02:57:14,640
>> is there any requirement for the

4440
02:57:14,640 --> 02:57:16,560
dumpster to have to be have a setback

4441
02:57:16,560 --> 02:57:17,200
for the dumpster?

4442
02:57:17,200 --> 02:57:19,840
>> It can be by either the petitioner.

4443
02:57:19,840 --> 02:57:20,880
>> Oh, sorry.

4444
02:57:20,880 --> 02:57:22,479
>> First, I'll say if you can, as you can

4445
02:57:22,479 --> 02:57:23,760
see here on the site plan, there's

4446
02:57:23,760 --> 02:57:25,359
actually not a dumpster. It's just trash

4447
02:57:25,359 --> 02:57:28,240
cans. Um there's a dumpster enclosure

4448
02:57:28,240 --> 02:57:30,319
for those trash cans to keep them uh

4449
02:57:30,319 --> 02:57:32,160
hidden from the street, but the

4450
02:57:32,160 --> 02:57:34,319
applicant will pull those out every week

4451
02:57:34,319 --> 02:57:38,880
for the uh to take the trash out. Um

4452
02:57:38,880 --> 02:57:41,840
there the code just says that a dumpster

4453
02:57:41,840 --> 02:57:43,840
site has to be located on the site plan.

4454
02:57:43,840 --> 02:57:45,600
Doesn't indicate where it has to be. And

4455
02:57:45,600 --> 02:57:47,600
I've driven around the city and a lot of

4456
02:57:47,600 --> 02:57:48,960
commercial buildings around here have

4457
02:57:48,960 --> 02:57:51,920
dumpsters in the setback.

4458
02:57:51,920 --> 02:57:53,120
>> Andrew, do you have any other questions

4459
02:57:53,120 --> 02:57:53,920
for staff?

4460
02:57:53,920 --> 02:57:55,840
>> Three comments if that's okay. Uh the

4461
02:57:55,840 --> 02:57:58,720
three comments are like uh what?

4462
02:57:58,720 --> 02:58:00,640
>> Oh, before you do that, uh we're past 9

4463
02:58:00,640 --> 02:58:01,600
o'clock, so we

4464
02:58:01,600 --> 02:58:02,080
>> Yeah, go ahead.

4465
02:58:02,080 --> 02:58:03,359
>> need to get a motion to extend the

4466
02:58:03,359 --> 02:58:04,800
meeting past our 9:00.

4467
02:58:04,800 --> 02:58:06,479
>> Well, I can make one. Make

4468
02:58:06,479 --> 02:58:09,520
>> I Go ahead. I make a motion to extend

4469
02:58:09,520 --> 02:58:11,600
the meeting to 910.

4470
02:58:11,600 --> 02:58:14,720
>> Okay, we still have staff reports and

4471
02:58:14,720 --> 02:58:16,479
council communications.

4472
02:58:16,479 --> 02:58:18,000
>> How about

4473
02:58:18,000 --> 02:58:19,760
>> Okay, I

4474
02:58:19,760 --> 02:58:22,160
withdraw the motion. I amend the meeting

4475
02:58:22,160 --> 02:58:24,560
to go to 9:20.

4476
02:58:24,560 --> 02:58:26,160
I second that.

4477
02:58:26,160 --> 02:58:28,240
>> Okay, we have a motion and a second. Any

4478
02:58:28,240 --> 02:58:30,479
questions about the motion? All right,

4479
02:58:30,479 --> 02:58:33,120
let's proceed with a roll call vote.

4480
02:58:33,120 --> 02:58:34,080
>> Want to go first? Andrew.

4481
02:58:34,080 --> 02:58:36,240
>> Andrew Young. I I Yes.

4482
02:58:36,240 --> 02:58:37,359
>> Brent Rmer. Yes.

4483
02:58:37,359 --> 02:58:38,479
>> Sarah Blockwell. Yes.

4484
02:58:38,479 --> 02:58:39,680
>> Chrissy Henman. Yes.

4485
02:58:39,680 --> 02:58:41,840
>> Okay. The motion passed. We will proceed

4486
02:58:41,840 --> 02:58:44,960
until 9:20. So, you have just a few just

4487
02:58:44,960 --> 02:58:46,319
maybe two or three minutes to

4488
02:58:46,319 --> 02:58:49,600
>> Yep. very brief. Uh just two situations

4489
02:58:49,600 --> 02:58:52,000
uh that I hope will be helpful. We have

4490
02:58:52,000 --> 02:58:53,760
this same situation happening in three

4491
02:58:53,760 --> 02:58:55,840
or four different areas of Alpine right

4492
02:58:55,840 --> 02:59:00,160
now. Um, in two cases, one case the

4493
02:59:00,160 --> 02:59:02,240
residents came together, found a

4494
02:59:02,240 --> 02:59:04,640
compromise, and both are very happy.

4495
02:59:04,640 --> 02:59:08,000
That's that's the dream. Uh, they did

4496
02:59:08,000 --> 02:59:10,960
this after the vote was finished. So,

4497
02:59:10,960 --> 02:59:13,439
you can still do that. That's my hope.

4498
02:59:13,439 --> 02:59:15,359
We got a boardroom here. I think you're

4499
02:59:15,359 --> 02:59:18,800
so close. Um, I like pray plead for

4500
02:59:18,800 --> 02:59:21,600
that. They did it. It worked. It

4501
02:59:21,600 --> 02:59:23,359
happened after the vote. We have another

4502
02:59:23,359 --> 02:59:26,399
case, both with residents, both in a

4503
02:59:26,399 --> 02:59:28,800
development, and they went the other

4504
02:59:28,800 --> 02:59:34,240
route. Uh, lawyers, uh, appeals cost

4505
02:59:34,240 --> 02:59:37,600
money, and in the end, it was just it's

4506
02:59:37,600 --> 02:59:40,160
just going how it's going. And, uh,

4507
02:59:40,160 --> 02:59:42,960
yeah, I I I don't

4508
02:59:42,960 --> 02:59:46,319
we will probably end up in hopefully

4509
02:59:46,319 --> 02:59:48,160
both those cases, but the first would be

4510
02:59:48,160 --> 02:59:52,399
much better. Uh however, we've so that's

4511
02:59:52,399 --> 02:59:54,479
the two comments. The next one is the

4512
02:59:54,479 --> 02:59:58,240
situation we're in. Like uh our attorney

4513
02:59:58,240 --> 03:00:01,680
Steve Doy, Mr. Doc has explained, this

4514
03:00:01,680 --> 03:00:03,439
is administrative where we're supposed

4515
03:00:03,439 --> 03:00:05,760
to make a decision based on what the

4516
03:00:05,760 --> 03:00:07,760
code says.

4517
03:00:07,760 --> 03:00:09,760
Okay,

4518
03:00:09,760 --> 03:00:12,160
that's how it's so supposed to be. We're

4519
03:00:12,160 --> 03:00:14,240
supposed to follow the law, right? It's

4520
03:00:14,240 --> 03:00:18,080
just supposed to be cut and dry. Uh for

4521
03:00:18,080 --> 03:00:19,760
me the problem is when you get on this

4522
03:00:19,760 --> 03:00:21,920
side or when you go to the capital or

4523
03:00:21,920 --> 03:00:25,840
you find out how the laws are made um

4524
03:00:25,840 --> 03:00:29,279
they are not perfect and uh that doesn't

4525
03:00:29,279 --> 03:00:30,800
mean we don't have to abide by them. We

4526
03:00:30,800 --> 03:00:34,800
have to abide by them. Uh but the ask

4527
03:00:34,800 --> 03:00:37,439
from staff is that as we try the only

4528
03:00:37,439 --> 03:00:40,240
way this could have been fixed

4529
03:00:40,240 --> 03:00:43,200
well one way it could have been fixed is

4530
03:00:43,200 --> 03:00:45,279
to have gone back and amended the

4531
03:00:45,279 --> 03:00:47,760
zoning. Okay. Still hopefully providing

4532
03:00:47,760 --> 03:00:50,720
a lot where uh resident petitioner could

4533
03:00:50,720 --> 03:00:52,399
still pursue a business in a business

4534
03:00:52,399 --> 03:00:54,160
commercial zone that wasn't so close to

4535
03:00:54,160 --> 03:00:56,479
residential that we we can't we can't go

4536
03:00:56,479 --> 03:01:00,080
back and do that. Um especially now we

4537
03:01:00,080 --> 03:01:02,960
can do it after this. The problem I'm

4538
03:01:02,960 --> 03:01:05,680
running into as a city councelor very

4539
03:01:05,680 --> 03:01:10,319
much uh not the normal type is how long

4540
03:01:10,319 --> 03:01:12,640
and difficult it is to amend the

4541
03:01:12,640 --> 03:01:15,040
ordinances.

4542
03:01:15,040 --> 03:01:17,600
uh it's very difficult. We're trying to

4543
03:01:17,600 --> 03:01:20,240
do it. It's not working. So, we can't

4544
03:01:20,240 --> 03:01:22,880
really help these residents fix this.

4545
03:01:22,880 --> 03:01:25,680
And so, what we're running into it, like

4546
03:01:25,680 --> 03:01:26,720
the next problem that's going to happen

4547
03:01:26,720 --> 03:01:28,800
is going to be in two weeks. But, we're

4548
03:01:28,800 --> 03:01:31,520
really struggling to get ahead of them

4549
03:01:31,520 --> 03:01:34,160
and amend these ordinances because we'll

4550
03:01:34,160 --> 03:01:36,479
send them to you, but they'll come back

4551
03:01:36,479 --> 03:01:38,880
changed or they'll just take a long

4552
03:01:38,880 --> 03:01:40,479
time. And I know we had hiring

4553
03:01:40,479 --> 03:01:43,760
difficulties, so that changes things.

4554
03:01:43,760 --> 03:01:46,960
Anyways, it creates a a storm that we

4555
03:01:46,960 --> 03:01:48,960
have in like four or five parts of the

4556
03:01:48,960 --> 03:01:50,479
city.

4557
03:01:50,479 --> 03:01:52,880
Uh so anyways, we need to figure that

4558
03:01:52,880 --> 03:01:55,600
out how we do that and how we get these

4559
03:01:55,600 --> 03:01:57,040
done because right now it's reaction

4560
03:01:57,040 --> 03:01:58,800
based. Someone comes with a crisis, we

4561
03:01:58,800 --> 03:02:01,359
try to change the ordinances after to

4562
03:02:01,359 --> 03:02:04,240
address it. And we're still blocked.

4563
03:02:04,240 --> 03:02:06,000
Like for example, Chrissy and Brent,

4564
03:02:06,000 --> 03:02:07,600
you've been on the council for how long?

4565
03:02:07,600 --> 03:02:08,880
Five year, four, three years.

4566
03:02:08,880 --> 03:02:10,800
>> Two and a half. like how many ordinances

4567
03:02:10,800 --> 03:02:12,720
have you guys written that have changed

4568
03:02:12,720 --> 03:02:15,359
the ordinances in that time? It's it's

4569
03:02:15,359 --> 03:02:18,720
very little, I would imagine, if any.

4570
03:02:18,720 --> 03:02:22,160
And so we we're trying our hardest. Um

4571
03:02:22,160 --> 03:02:24,640
but we are finding ourselves trapped. We

4572
03:02:24,640 --> 03:02:26,880
are elected by people who are telling us

4573
03:02:26,880 --> 03:02:29,840
what to do and what they want, but the

4574
03:02:29,840 --> 03:02:32,399
ordinances are blocking us. And then

4575
03:02:32,399 --> 03:02:33,760
when we try to change the ordinance,

4576
03:02:33,760 --> 03:02:35,600
we're reaching a lot of difficulties.

4577
03:02:35,600 --> 03:02:37,200
And I'm not saying that's your fault.

4578
03:02:37,200 --> 03:02:38,640
Alls I'll say to that is

4579
03:02:38,640 --> 03:02:38,960
>> please.

4580
03:02:38,960 --> 03:02:39,359
>> Yeah.

4581
03:02:39,359 --> 03:02:42,319
>> Having practiced land use law in the in

4582
03:02:42,319 --> 03:02:44,000
a prior career,

4583
03:02:44,000 --> 03:02:44,560
>> which is awesome,

4584
03:02:44,560 --> 03:02:46,800
>> is that you have ordinances. They're not

4585
03:02:46,800 --> 03:02:48,319
perfect. You're right. The our our

4586
03:02:48,319 --> 03:02:50,000
ordinances are not perfect and we

4587
03:02:50,000 --> 03:02:53,439
identify maybe deficiencies or gaps or

4588
03:02:53,439 --> 03:02:54,880
areas of improvement and we work through

4589
03:02:54,880 --> 03:02:56,800
the process. Two council members suggest

4590
03:02:56,800 --> 03:02:58,800
it. And I understand you've expressed it

4591
03:02:58,800 --> 03:03:00,160
before that you've been disappointed

4592
03:03:00,160 --> 03:03:02,160
with the speed of how things have gone

4593
03:03:02,160 --> 03:03:04,000
on your fence things and some other

4594
03:03:04,000 --> 03:03:05,439
things. So maybe we can work on that

4595
03:03:05,439 --> 03:03:07,600
with staff and prioritize.

4596
03:03:07,600 --> 03:03:09,840
>> Um but anything more specific to this

4597
03:03:09,840 --> 03:03:12,640
decision tonight so we can end in our 12

4598
03:03:12,640 --> 03:03:13,200
minutes we have.

4599
03:03:13,200 --> 03:03:14,960
>> Yes. Yes. Uh

4600
03:03:14,960 --> 03:03:16,319
>> we're at four minutes.

4601
03:03:16,319 --> 03:03:18,000
>> It's just I hope you go for the first

4602
03:03:18,000 --> 03:03:20,000
story. I think you can do it. It

4603
03:03:20,000 --> 03:03:22,160
happened. I hope you I know it's not

4604
03:03:22,160 --> 03:03:23,840
simple. I know it's a dream. I hope you

4605
03:03:23,840 --> 03:03:25,600
can do it. Just keep it as an option. I

4606
03:03:25,600 --> 03:03:26,640
plead.

4607
03:03:26,640 --> 03:03:28,240
>> All right. Thank you very much.

4608
03:03:28,240 --> 03:03:30,640
>> I'm ready to make the motion.

4609
03:03:30,640 --> 03:03:31,439
>> We're going to go ahead and

4610
03:03:31,439 --> 03:03:33,040
>> I need to make the motion. And just

4611
03:03:33,040 --> 03:03:35,040
would just want to clarify Shane that we

4612
03:03:35,040 --> 03:03:36,479
have the right wording with the motion

4613
03:03:36,479 --> 03:03:37,439
for the

4614
03:03:37,439 --> 03:03:40,000
>> So the the first one was I move to

4615
03:03:40,000 --> 03:03:42,560
consider this. So are you when you say

4616
03:03:42,560 --> 03:03:45,279
um do you want the second one where it

4617
03:03:45,279 --> 03:03:48,080
says I move to approve consideration or

4618
03:03:48,080 --> 03:03:49,439
you want this I move to approve the

4619
03:03:49,439 --> 03:03:55,590
long-range shooters of Utah. Which one?

4620
03:03:55,600 --> 03:04:00,070
I'm confused.

4621
03:04:00,080 --> 03:04:03,040
you had some you had some language that

4622
03:04:03,040 --> 03:04:05,600
Steve had suggested um because it didn't

4623
03:04:05,600 --> 03:04:08,319
go back to planning commission that was

4624
03:04:08,319 --> 03:04:11,120
the first the one above right

4625
03:04:11,120 --> 03:04:14,240
>> yeah so

4626
03:04:14,240 --> 03:04:16,720
I think I yeah I would probably change

4627
03:04:16,720 --> 03:04:18,960
that it's hard to do it on the fly but I

4628
03:04:18,960 --> 03:04:23,760
think I would um I think you could move

4629
03:04:23,760 --> 03:04:25,920
to approve the site plan if you're so

4630
03:04:25,920 --> 03:04:28,560
inclined to do that instead of

4631
03:04:28,560 --> 03:04:31,920
consideration of the site plan and just

4632
03:04:31,920 --> 03:04:34,880
recognize in the motion based on the

4633
03:04:34,880 --> 03:04:37,040
fact that the sweat path analysis was

4634
03:04:37,040 --> 03:04:39,200
performed and the applicant is no longer

4635
03:04:39,200 --> 03:04:40,960
in need of a recommendation from the

4636
03:04:40,960 --> 03:04:42,720
planning commission. I think

4637
03:04:42,720 --> 03:04:43,120
>> okay

4638
03:04:43,120 --> 03:04:45,520
>> I would probably eliminate consideration

4639
03:04:45,520 --> 03:04:46,880
because that

4640
03:04:46,880 --> 03:04:47,279
>> okay

4641
03:04:47,279 --> 03:04:48,399
>> that kind of

4642
03:04:48,399 --> 03:04:50,160
>> thank you I I was confused

4643
03:04:50,160 --> 03:04:51,359
>> consider it later.

4644
03:04:51,359 --> 03:04:54,160
>> Okay. All right. I move to approve the

4645
03:04:54,160 --> 03:04:55,920
longrange shooters of Utah commercial

4646
03:04:55,920 --> 03:04:58,720
site plan based on the fact that the

4647
03:04:58,720 --> 03:05:02,160
swept path analysis was performed and

4648
03:05:02,160 --> 03:05:04,160
that the applicant is no longer in need

4649
03:05:04,160 --> 03:05:05,840
of a recommendation from planning

4650
03:05:05,840 --> 03:05:08,399
commission

4651
03:05:08,399 --> 03:05:10,800
to an exception to parking standards

4652
03:05:10,800 --> 03:05:16,389
found in code section 3.24.030.

4653
03:05:16,399 --> 03:05:19,279
And you might also just add if you're so

4654
03:05:19,279 --> 03:05:23,439
inclined that um the site plan meets all

4655
03:05:23,439 --> 03:05:25,279
applicable code requirements.

4656
03:05:25,279 --> 03:05:28,319
>> Okay. Per review of staff, the site plan

4657
03:05:28,319 --> 03:05:30,960
meets all applicable

4658
03:05:30,960 --> 03:05:34,560
code compliance requirements.

4659
03:05:34,560 --> 03:05:37,279
>> Okay. Does that sound good, council?

4660
03:05:37,279 --> 03:05:38,560
>> Did I cover it?

4661
03:05:38,560 --> 03:05:40,319
>> Thank you. We have a motion. Uh do we

4662
03:05:40,319 --> 03:05:41,840
have a second?

4663
03:05:41,840 --> 03:05:44,399
>> Am I authorized to be a second?

4664
03:05:44,399 --> 03:05:48,000
I will second the motion. Uh we have a

4665
03:05:48,000 --> 03:05:50,080
motion and a second. Are there any

4666
03:05:50,080 --> 03:05:52,800
questions about the motion?

4667
03:05:52,800 --> 03:05:54,560
It will proceed to a roll call vote. If

4668
03:05:54,560 --> 03:05:59,830
there are no questions, Andrew Young,

4669
03:05:59,840 --> 03:06:02,319
because the

4670
03:06:02,319 --> 03:06:03,680
they have not come to an agreement.

4671
03:06:03,680 --> 03:06:06,479
Andrew Young, no. Brent Rmler, yes.

4672
03:06:06,479 --> 03:06:08,640
>> Sarah Blockwell, yes. Chrissy Hanaman,

4673
03:06:08,640 --> 03:06:09,040
yes.

4674
03:06:09,040 --> 03:06:11,520
>> All right, the motion passes. We will

4675
03:06:11,520 --> 03:06:14,399
move on to staff reports starting with

4676
03:06:14,399 --> 03:06:15,840
police chief. Do you have anything for

4677
03:06:15,840 --> 03:06:17,760
us, Chief William?

4678
03:06:17,760 --> 03:06:19,040
>> Chief Patton.

4679
03:06:19,040 --> 03:06:20,240
>> Okay, Kaden.

4680
03:06:20,240 --> 03:06:20,880
>> No.

4681
03:06:20,880 --> 03:06:22,479
>> Jason,

4682
03:06:22,479 --> 03:06:24,479
uh Shane,

4683
03:06:24,479 --> 03:06:25,680
>> yes.

4684
03:06:25,680 --> 03:06:27,279
>> All right, we finally get to staff

4685
03:06:27,279 --> 03:06:29,040
reports. It's been about six months,

4686
03:06:29,040 --> 03:06:31,840
>> right? Um so just an update on a couple

4687
03:06:31,840 --> 03:06:35,439
things. Uh we actually submitted today

4688
03:06:35,439 --> 03:06:39,359
uh for a $ 1.5 million grant that the

4689
03:06:39,359 --> 03:06:41,600
purpose is to help us build an

4690
03:06:41,600 --> 03:06:44,000
additional storage reservoir for the PI

4691
03:06:44,000 --> 03:06:47,840
system. It would be by somewhere it's

4692
03:06:47,840 --> 03:06:50,560
not pinned down yet, but by the lower

4693
03:06:50,560 --> 03:06:53,520
state or the Alpine Stake Center there,

4694
03:06:53,520 --> 03:06:58,399
not Alpine North Stake Center. Um so it

4695
03:06:58,399 --> 03:07:00,240
was a really quick turnaround on that.

4696
03:07:00,240 --> 03:07:03,359
Um, we got Horox to help us and I think

4697
03:07:03,359 --> 03:07:05,840
they put together a really good

4698
03:07:05,840 --> 03:07:07,760
application.

4699
03:07:07,760 --> 03:07:10,240
Um, and then we had a grant come through

4700
03:07:10,240 --> 03:07:13,600
that we applied for several months ago.

4701
03:07:13,600 --> 03:07:14,800
Finally, [clears throat] we finally got

4702
03:07:14,800 --> 03:07:16,640
the paperwork from the Division of Water

4703
03:07:16,640 --> 03:07:20,080
Resources. And this is to um help pay

4704
03:07:20,080 --> 03:07:23,760
for kind of educational stuff uh for

4705
03:07:23,760 --> 03:07:25,279
water

4706
03:07:25,279 --> 03:07:27,840
like flyers and and a bunch of different

4707
03:07:27,840 --> 03:07:30,800
things. So, um, that one we can use over

4708
03:07:30,800 --> 03:07:34,399
a period of of three years.

4709
03:07:34,399 --> 03:07:35,920
Uh, you may have noticed the

4710
03:07:35,920 --> 03:07:37,760
construction down on Main Street. We've

4711
03:07:37,760 --> 03:07:41,040
been working to, uh, relocate the the

4712
03:07:41,040 --> 03:07:43,439
main school crosswalk down there. Uh,

4713
03:07:43,439 --> 03:07:46,160
turned out to be a much bigger project

4714
03:07:46,160 --> 03:07:48,080
than it looked like it would be on the

4715
03:07:48,080 --> 03:07:49,600
surface.

4716
03:07:49,600 --> 03:07:52,319
And, uh, I took a picture. I I should

4717
03:07:52,319 --> 03:07:54,240
have sent it to Kaden, but I can send it

4718
03:07:54,240 --> 03:07:56,880
out. That kind of shows you what a

4719
03:07:56,880 --> 03:07:59,439
little change in grade will do in

4720
03:07:59,439 --> 03:08:02,240
meeting ADA requirements or not. And

4721
03:08:02,240 --> 03:08:04,000
that's a lot of what we ended up dealing

4722
03:08:04,000 --> 03:08:06,960
with down there. Um, but the last pour

4723
03:08:06,960 --> 03:08:09,600
will happen tomorrow. And then we've got

4724
03:08:09,600 --> 03:08:12,640
some asphalt patching and and then we're

4725
03:08:12,640 --> 03:08:16,160
just waiting for we had to buy new uh

4726
03:08:16,160 --> 03:08:18,960
lighting and signage because our other

4727
03:08:18,960 --> 03:08:22,640
doesn't meet this the spec anymore. Do

4728
03:08:22,640 --> 03:08:24,080
you mind if I just ask one quick

4729
03:08:24,080 --> 03:08:25,120
question on that?

4730
03:08:25,120 --> 03:08:28,399
>> Um, the crosswalk, it doesn't interfere

4731
03:08:28,399 --> 03:08:32,000
with the the the driveway of the 512

4732
03:08:32,000 --> 03:08:33,840
building, doesn't I? I tried to look at

4733
03:08:33,840 --> 03:08:34,960
it today. It looked

4734
03:08:34,960 --> 03:08:37,040
>> That's that's one of the challenges. So,

4735
03:08:37,040 --> 03:08:39,520
we have the crosswalk.

4736
03:08:39,520 --> 03:08:41,359
Remember, we're replacing one that's

4737
03:08:41,359 --> 03:08:43,040
kind of on a diagonal

4738
03:08:43,040 --> 03:08:45,520
>> that interfered with the bank uh parking

4739
03:08:45,520 --> 03:08:49,600
lot. Preferably, they are perpendicular

4740
03:08:49,600 --> 03:08:52,960
across the street. So on one side we had

4741
03:08:52,960 --> 03:08:56,000
the ingress for the school on one side

4742
03:08:56,000 --> 03:08:57,680
of the crosswalk. On the other side of

4743
03:08:57,680 --> 03:08:59,279
the street and the other side of the

4744
03:08:59,279 --> 03:09:02,960
crosswalk we had the 512 driveway. Um

4745
03:09:02,960 --> 03:09:04,960
but we everything worked out. We had a

4746
03:09:04,960 --> 03:09:06,800
couple of questions. We actually called

4747
03:09:06,800 --> 03:09:09,840
uh Michael I can't remember

4748
03:09:09,840 --> 03:09:12,720
Adamson with Fair and Pierce uh just to

4749
03:09:12,720 --> 03:09:14,880
get some clarification and make sure we

4750
03:09:14,880 --> 03:09:16,479
were going about it right and we believe

4751
03:09:16,479 --> 03:09:18,479
we've got it in there the way it needs

4752
03:09:18,479 --> 03:09:19,760
to be.

4753
03:09:19,760 --> 03:09:22,479
um preferably

4754
03:09:22,479 --> 03:09:24,319
there being more separation between

4755
03:09:24,319 --> 03:09:26,640
driveways, but we were we were very

4756
03:09:26,640 --> 03:09:30,560
limited and it affected um some other

4757
03:09:30,560 --> 03:09:33,120
things as well. So

4758
03:09:33,120 --> 03:09:36,880
um but it is tight. Uh the light package

4759
03:09:36,880 --> 03:09:39,200
is scheduled to ship August 4th. I just

4760
03:09:39,200 --> 03:09:41,840
confirmed that today. Um so it should be

4761
03:09:41,840 --> 03:09:45,920
in place for school starting. Um, in the

4762
03:09:45,920 --> 03:09:47,439
event that it's not, I've already talked

4763
03:09:47,439 --> 03:09:50,240
to Chief Guliam and um, it will still

4764
03:09:50,240 --> 03:09:53,279
act as a school crosswalk. Uh, it just

4765
03:09:53,279 --> 03:09:55,520
won't be the reduced speed with the

4766
03:09:55,520 --> 03:09:59,439
flashing yellow lights. So,

4767
03:09:59,439 --> 03:10:02,880
um, and just on that, he's, uh, police

4768
03:10:02,880 --> 03:10:04,640
department's working with all their

4769
03:10:04,640 --> 03:10:06,319
crossing guards and getting everybody

4770
03:10:06,319 --> 03:10:09,279
and their officers ready for school

4771
03:10:09,279 --> 03:10:11,040
starting, which seems really weird that

4772
03:10:11,040 --> 03:10:13,439
we're talking about school starting, but

4773
03:10:13,439 --> 03:10:18,240
July's almost gone. Um on the uh water,

4774
03:10:18,240 --> 03:10:20,160
I heard a report on the news just a

4775
03:10:20,160 --> 03:10:22,720
couple days ago that uh and we talked a

4776
03:10:22,720 --> 03:10:25,439
little bit about this earlier, but um

4777
03:10:25,439 --> 03:10:28,399
this July and it wasn't quite finished

4778
03:10:28,399 --> 03:10:31,600
is the third hottest on record, the

4779
03:10:31,600 --> 03:10:34,319
third highest average temperature. So

4780
03:10:34,319 --> 03:10:36,640
they consider the low and the high

4781
03:10:36,640 --> 03:10:39,439
temperature in that.

4782
03:10:39,439 --> 03:10:42,640
Uh they said we might move into second

4783
03:10:42,640 --> 03:10:46,880
all time. Um, but three of the the

4784
03:10:46,880 --> 03:10:48,960
highest temperature years have been in

4785
03:10:48,960 --> 03:10:49,920
the last 10.

4786
03:10:49,920 --> 03:10:50,800
>> Wow.

4787
03:10:50,800 --> 03:10:53,680
>> So, we've been dealing with a lot of um

4788
03:10:53,680 --> 03:10:56,399
odd weather, but

4789
03:10:56,399 --> 03:10:59,840
um we've been able to get by

4790
03:10:59,840 --> 03:11:02,160
uh pretty well with our water. Um the

4791
03:11:02,160 --> 03:11:05,359
creek flows are dropping off fast now.

4792
03:11:05,359 --> 03:11:07,760
Um Greg said over the weekend they went

4793
03:11:07,760 --> 03:11:11,120
down about 500 gallons a minute. So, uh,

4794
03:11:11,120 --> 03:11:12,479
we had a meeting today with the

4795
03:11:12,479 --> 03:11:14,640
irrigation company and and those

4796
03:11:14,640 --> 03:11:17,279
agricultural users will be cutting back

4797
03:11:17,279 --> 03:11:21,279
their use even even more.

4798
03:11:21,279 --> 03:11:24,560
Uh, Alpine Days Prep's in full swing.

4799
03:11:24,560 --> 03:11:26,640
I'm impressed that Heidi, she some of

4800
03:11:26,640 --> 03:11:29,040
you can't see her, but she's still here.

4801
03:11:29,040 --> 03:11:33,439
Um, she's been very busy and she tells

4802
03:11:33,439 --> 03:11:36,160
me everything's in order. She might need

4803
03:11:36,160 --> 03:11:37,920
some volunteer help. Maybe some of you

4804
03:11:37,920 --> 03:11:41,279
can help with that. Um, she'll be

4805
03:11:41,279 --> 03:11:44,560
putting those those needs out.

4806
03:11:44,560 --> 03:11:52,640
Uh, we're also working with uh, the church on projects for the 911,

4807
03:11:52,640 --> 03:11:55,200
which will be on 912 this year, uh, day

4808
03:11:55,200 --> 03:11:58,640
of service. Um, we'll when we get those

4809
03:11:58,640 --> 03:12:01,200
projects 100% nailed down, we'll let you

4810
03:12:01,200 --> 03:12:03,359
know what they are. We kind of gave them

4811
03:12:03,359 --> 03:12:05,120
some options to see which ones they

4812
03:12:05,120 --> 03:12:08,319
thought would fit best. And then the

4813
03:12:08,319 --> 03:12:11,439
fire station, just an update there. Uh

4814
03:12:11,439 --> 03:12:13,600
things are in full swing. Uh there's a

4815
03:12:13,600 --> 03:12:17,359
little bit not an overall delay, but uh

4816
03:12:17,359 --> 03:12:20,000
the power for the building was on the

4817
03:12:20,000 --> 03:12:22,560
wall that the new addition will go on.

4818
03:12:22,560 --> 03:12:24,399
And Rocky Mountain Powers crews have

4819
03:12:24,399 --> 03:12:27,279
been very tied up with fires and

4820
03:12:27,279 --> 03:12:28,800
replacing power poles and different

4821
03:12:28,800 --> 03:12:30,800
things. But I saw their truck over there

4822
03:12:30,800 --> 03:12:34,560
today and so that's uh either finished

4823
03:12:34,560 --> 03:12:37,279
or getting there and and then they can

4824
03:12:37,279 --> 03:12:39,439
move forward. But everything's going

4825
03:12:39,439 --> 03:12:43,840
well and on schedule. So um that's all I

4826
03:12:43,840 --> 03:12:46,080
have unless anybody has any questions.

4827
03:12:46,080 --> 03:12:48,960
>> Any questions for Shane?

4828
03:12:48,960 --> 03:12:51,439
>> I just have two followup. Um have you

4829
03:12:51,439 --> 03:12:53,120
been able to work with the staff at

4830
03:12:53,120 --> 03:12:54,560
Mountainville Academy so that the

4831
03:12:54,560 --> 03:12:56,800
parents are aware of changes? I actually

4832
03:12:56,800 --> 03:12:59,040
had a conference call today with the

4833
03:12:59,040 --> 03:13:01,200
principal. Uh the mayor was trying to be

4834
03:13:01,200 --> 03:13:03,359
involved, but it didn't didn't work out

4835
03:13:03,359 --> 03:13:06,080
um with the principal and

4836
03:13:06,080 --> 03:13:08,399
Mike. Uh I'm not sure what his title is.

4837
03:13:08,399 --> 03:13:11,439
He kind of the grounds guy down there.

4838
03:13:11,439 --> 03:13:13,600
But yes, we have been communicating with

4839
03:13:13,600 --> 03:13:14,080
them.

4840
03:13:14,080 --> 03:13:14,960
>> Okay.

4841
03:13:14,960 --> 03:13:18,640
>> Um they have a few concerns um with some

4842
03:13:18,640 --> 03:13:23,200
things like the delineators down the

4843
03:13:23,200 --> 03:13:25,200
middle of the street and some of those

4844
03:13:25,200 --> 03:13:26,160
things. So,

4845
03:13:26,160 --> 03:13:26,880
>> yep.

4846
03:13:26,880 --> 03:13:29,040
>> But, uh, I let them know that we really

4847
03:13:29,040 --> 03:13:30,720
don't have a way to communicate with the

4848
03:13:30,720 --> 03:13:32,960
parents. We're happy to provide

4849
03:13:32,960 --> 03:13:35,439
information, but we can't send that to

4850
03:13:35,439 --> 03:13:37,920
them directly, and we need to re rely on

4851
03:13:37,920 --> 03:13:39,439
them to do that.

4852
03:13:39,439 --> 03:13:41,439
>> Good. I'm glad they're

4853
03:13:41,439 --> 03:13:43,200
>> Yeah, we're working together on that.

4854
03:13:43,200 --> 03:13:44,880
And they've been they've been really

4855
03:13:44,880 --> 03:13:46,399
good to work with down there on what

4856
03:13:46,399 --> 03:13:49,520
we've had to do. Um, we actually took

4857
03:13:49,520 --> 03:13:51,760
out some of their rock area to have kind

4858
03:13:51,760 --> 03:13:54,080
of a build kind of a staging area for

4859
03:13:54,080 --> 03:13:56,239
the kids on the school side

4860
03:13:56,239 --> 03:13:58,560
>> and they were great to work with on that

4861
03:13:58,560 --> 03:14:02,640
and um I think it's going well.

4862
03:14:02,640 --> 03:14:04,479
>> The other question is you mentioned the

4863
03:14:04,479 --> 03:14:06,160
Rocky Mountain Power in front of the

4864
03:14:06,160 --> 03:14:08,000
fire station. Is that are we going to

4865
03:14:08,000 --> 03:14:10,560
have a pole still or is that going

4866
03:14:10,560 --> 03:14:12,880
underground? Uh the one that's kind of

4867
03:14:12,880 --> 03:14:14,399
midb block in

4868
03:14:14,399 --> 03:14:16,399
>> right in front of our station kind of

4869
03:14:16,399 --> 03:14:18,399
>> that one will that will still be there.

4870
03:14:18,399 --> 03:14:21,359
We we did investigate putting all those

4871
03:14:21,359 --> 03:14:24,160
overhead lines underground and you have

4872
03:14:24,160 --> 03:14:26,319
to go like a block each direction.

4873
03:14:26,319 --> 03:14:26,800
>> Oh,

4874
03:14:26,800 --> 03:14:28,640
>> it got way involved.

4875
03:14:28,640 --> 03:14:29,200
>> Okay.

4876
03:14:29,200 --> 03:14:30,720
>> We did investigate it.

4877
03:14:30,720 --> 03:14:31,760
>> That's it. Thanks.

4878
03:14:31,760 --> 03:14:34,560
>> But the one that's just outside this

4879
03:14:34,560 --> 03:14:37,520
door, we're still working on getting rid

4880
03:14:37,520 --> 03:14:40,160
of that. So, it's just going to take a

4881
03:14:40,160 --> 03:14:42,640
little bit of time.

4882
03:14:42,640 --> 03:14:44,000
>> All right, we just have a few seconds

4883
03:14:44,000 --> 03:14:45,600
for council communications. I'll just

4884
03:14:45,600 --> 03:14:47,600
update you. Lumpy public safety district

4885
03:14:47,600 --> 03:14:50,000
has not had any budget or any agenda

4886
03:14:50,000 --> 03:14:51,760
items. So, we have not held a meeting in

4887
03:14:51,760 --> 03:14:54,800
a few months. And just to confirm, we do

4888
03:14:54,800 --> 03:14:56,960
not have a city council meeting on the

4889
03:14:56,960 --> 03:15:00,640
second Tuesday of August because of

4890
03:15:00,640 --> 03:15:01,680
Alpine Days.

4891
03:15:01,680 --> 03:15:03,359
>> That's correct. And that is something I

4892
03:15:03,359 --> 03:15:05,279
wanted to mention. Sometimes we get to

4893
03:15:05,279 --> 03:15:06,800
this time of year and that happens and

4894
03:15:06,800 --> 03:15:08,319
we're trying to get an overlay project

4895
03:15:08,319 --> 03:15:11,840
out. We might ask for like a quick new

4896
03:15:11,840 --> 03:15:13,520
day meeting one day to approve a

4897
03:15:13,520 --> 03:15:15,439
contract or something, but we're not

4898
03:15:15,439 --> 03:15:16,640
quite there yet.

4899
03:15:16,640 --> 03:15:19,120
>> All right. So, just a heads up, only the

4900
03:15:19,120 --> 03:15:21,520
fourth fourth Tuesday in August. Nothing

4901
03:15:21,520 --> 03:15:22,319
else for me.

4902
03:15:22,319 --> 03:15:25,359
>> Um I serve on the Alpine Youth Council

4903
03:15:25,359 --> 03:15:26,399
committee and the water committee.

4904
03:15:26,399 --> 03:15:28,000
Alpine Youth Council, they're just doing

4905
03:15:28,000 --> 03:15:29,840
a little training retreat. I don't know

4906
03:15:29,840 --> 03:15:31,520
if that's really pertinent information,

4907
03:15:31,520 --> 03:15:34,800
but um our water committee um we are

4908
03:15:34,800 --> 03:15:37,279
still doing our we are not doing on

4909
03:15:37,279 --> 03:15:39,120
education night in August, but in

4910
03:15:39,120 --> 03:15:42,720
September in September on the 16th um

4911
03:15:42,720 --> 03:15:46,319
we're have a meeting um a little lecture

4912
03:15:46,319 --> 03:15:49,359
given by Ben Abbott. He's a professor at

4913
03:15:49,359 --> 03:15:51,760
BYU in the life sciences and he I've

4914
03:15:51,760 --> 03:15:53,840
heard him speak before. It's great. He's

4915
03:15:53,840 --> 03:15:55,520
talking about the health of the Great

4916
03:15:55,520 --> 03:15:57,279
Salt Lake and Utah Lake and how that

4917
03:15:57,279 --> 03:16:00,399
affects our snowpack and just our life

4918
03:16:00,399 --> 03:16:03,520
here in Utah. Um, also just with regards

4919
03:16:03,520 --> 03:16:05,600
to the water committee, we were able to

4920
03:16:05,600 --> 03:16:09,439
distribute not quite 3,000 water

4921
03:16:09,439 --> 03:16:11,359
education door hangers that were

4922
03:16:11,359 --> 03:16:14,640
delivered doortodoor by foot, by hand

4923
03:16:14,640 --> 03:16:16,560
throughout the entire city of Alpine.

4924
03:16:16,560 --> 03:16:18,800
So, shout out to those who helped do

4925
03:16:18,800 --> 03:16:19,840
that. Thank you.

4926
03:16:19,840 --> 03:16:21,120
>> You should have asked me to help. I

4927
03:16:21,120 --> 03:16:22,880
could run and do it like I did in my

4928
03:16:22,880 --> 03:16:24,239
campaign.

4929
03:16:24,239 --> 03:16:26,319
>> Now we have now I have grant funds to

4930
03:16:26,319 --> 03:16:27,520
help. [laughter]

4931
03:16:27,520 --> 03:16:28,960
>> Oh, nice.

4932
03:16:28,960 --> 03:16:31,279
>> Um, thank you for remembering the

4933
03:16:31,279 --> 03:16:33,279
flyers. I was following your person. I

4934
03:16:33,279 --> 03:16:34,640
couldn't keep up with him. He's younger

4935
03:16:34,640 --> 03:16:38,239
than I was. Um, we we had neighborhood

4936
03:16:38,239 --> 03:16:41,040
250 celebrations on July 5th and had a

4937
03:16:41,040 --> 03:16:43,279
good turnout from all just all around

4938
03:16:43,279 --> 03:16:46,000
Burgess Park. People that I had never

4939
03:16:46,000 --> 03:16:47,920
met before. So, it was really fun. Um,

4940
03:16:47,920 --> 03:16:49,680
and people I've known a long time.

4941
03:16:49,680 --> 03:16:52,160
perfect event for the America 250.

4942
03:16:52,160 --> 03:16:54,479
That's the theme of Alpine Days. And if

4943
03:16:54,479 --> 03:16:56,160
you remember way back in January, we

4944
03:16:56,160 --> 03:16:59,120
were each assigned to events to attend.

4945
03:16:59,120 --> 03:17:00,960
So, if you need help with any of those,

4946
03:17:00,960 --> 03:17:03,680
it sounds like um Whoops. Heidi may need

4947
03:17:03,680 --> 03:17:05,920
some help with volunteer time. And then

4948
03:17:05,920 --> 03:17:07,840
I wasn't aware because I was a new

4949
03:17:07,840 --> 03:17:09,359
council person that we get to ride on

4950
03:17:09,359 --> 03:17:12,080
the fire truck in the parade. So, if you

4951
03:17:12,080 --> 03:17:13,600
haven't been informed, I don't I don't

4952
03:17:13,600 --> 03:17:16,000
want you to make plans and and miss that

4953
03:17:16,000 --> 03:17:18,160
opportunity, especially since you have

4954
03:17:18,160 --> 03:17:20,319
children that would remember such a fun

4955
03:17:20,319 --> 03:17:25,200
event. We have um Main Street uh based

4956
03:17:25,200 --> 03:17:27,520
on our the communication from last

4957
03:17:27,520 --> 03:17:29,200
meeting. We've divided up into

4958
03:17:29,200 --> 03:17:31,840
committees and have assignments and

4959
03:17:31,840 --> 03:17:35,120
Kaden is our spearing that spearheading

4960
03:17:35,120 --> 03:17:37,520
those efforts. Remember the deadline is

4961
03:17:37,520 --> 03:17:40,160
um September 1st. We've suggested times

4962
03:17:40,160 --> 03:17:42,319
to meet and hope that all works out so

4963
03:17:42,319 --> 03:17:44,720
you don't have to do the long email

4964
03:17:44,720 --> 03:17:46,560
chain of who can meet when and all that

4965
03:17:46,560 --> 03:17:50,080
business. Um I would remind everyone

4966
03:17:50,080 --> 03:17:54,319
that um two two open things that we had

4967
03:17:54,319 --> 03:17:55,840
or two thing one thing that came up

4968
03:17:55,840 --> 03:17:57,359
tonight is our guidelines our main

4969
03:17:57,359 --> 03:18:01,200
street guidelines are not as um as

4970
03:18:01,200 --> 03:18:03,279
they're ambiguous. So that led to some

4971
03:18:03,279 --> 03:18:05,359
confusion not just with here but even

4972
03:18:05,359 --> 03:18:07,200
with our fire station things like that

4973
03:18:07,200 --> 03:18:09,920
to work hard to to to bring the detail

4974
03:18:09,920 --> 03:18:11,680
we need because the next step to

4975
03:18:11,680 --> 03:18:13,200
Andrew's point is to get it into

4976
03:18:13,200 --> 03:18:16,560
ordinances. So if we can do um get ahead

4977
03:18:16,560 --> 03:18:18,319
of that while it's all fresh in our

4978
03:18:18,319 --> 03:18:21,279
memory that would be awesome. Also um

4979
03:18:21,279 --> 03:18:23,359
the planning commission brought up flex

4980
03:18:23,359 --> 03:18:25,040
housing which we've never really talked

4981
03:18:25,040 --> 03:18:28,160
about here. So, let's let's be sure and

4982
03:18:28,160 --> 03:18:29,840
be thorough with that. And then we will

4983
03:18:29,840 --> 03:18:33,279
be voting on um the final edits in in

4984
03:18:33,279 --> 03:18:35,120
our August meeting because that's the

4985
03:18:35,120 --> 03:18:36,960
only one before or maybe it's in the

4986
03:18:36,960 --> 03:18:38,319
first meeting in September. That's when

4987
03:18:38,319 --> 03:18:40,080
we're doing it. So, anyways, just remind

4988
03:18:40,080 --> 03:18:42,640
you to do that. Um I think another issue

4989
03:18:42,640 --> 03:18:44,560
that came up again, we're learning as we

4990
03:18:44,560 --> 03:18:47,359
go with this commercial um application

4991
03:18:47,359 --> 03:18:50,080
was it's good to have a transition space

4992
03:18:50,080 --> 03:18:52,479
between residential and commercial. What

4993
03:18:52,479 --> 03:18:54,080
does that look like? We don't have any

4994
03:18:54,080 --> 03:18:57,040
code regarding that. the um consultants

4995
03:18:57,040 --> 03:18:59,600
did talk about having that and what the

4996
03:18:59,600 --> 03:19:00,960
planning commission came up with was

4997
03:19:00,960 --> 03:19:04,000
flex housing be be to be a buffer from

4998
03:19:04,000 --> 03:19:06,960
commercial to flex housing to regular

4999
03:19:06,960 --> 03:19:08,640
single family homes. I don't know what

5000
03:19:08,640 --> 03:19:10,000
that's going to look like. It's a long

5001
03:19:10,000 --> 03:19:12,800
journey but worth the effort. That's it.

5002
03:19:12,800 --> 03:19:13,600
Thank you.

5003
03:19:13,600 --> 03:19:15,600
>> That was nice. Just two things. Kayen,

5004
03:19:15,600 --> 03:19:17,359
do you mind bringing up that items to

5005
03:19:17,359 --> 03:19:20,000
share? The very last uh items just

5006
03:19:20,000 --> 03:19:21,120
called water barrel.

5007
03:19:21,120 --> 03:19:22,880
>> Do we need to have a motion to go? We

5008
03:19:22,880 --> 03:19:25,040
we're four minutes beyond our

5009
03:19:25,040 --> 03:19:27,359
>> Okay, I could probably do it 20 seconds.

5010
03:19:27,359 --> 03:19:29,200
>> Okay, as long as it's okay.

5011
03:19:29,200 --> 03:19:31,520
>> Uh Shane, we got an Eagle over the Eagle

5012
03:19:31,520 --> 03:19:33,120
Scout projects. We got an Eagle Scout

5013
03:19:33,120 --> 03:19:35,680
who wants to do painting the um

5014
03:19:35,680 --> 03:19:38,160
crosswalks. So, you have an Eagle Scout

5015
03:19:38,160 --> 03:19:40,319
and a bunch of helpers that want to do

5016
03:19:40,319 --> 03:19:43,200
that. Just passing it on.

5017
03:19:43,200 --> 03:19:44,319
>> Your smile is telling you,

5018
03:19:44,319 --> 03:19:45,680
>> let's find them something else to paint.

5019
03:19:45,680 --> 03:19:47,200
We don't really It wouldn't be safe to

5020
03:19:47,200 --> 03:19:49,120
have him out on the street.

5021
03:19:49,120 --> 03:19:50,319
>> Okay, hold on. We're going longer than

5022
03:19:50,319 --> 03:19:51,279
20 seconds. Sorry.

5023
03:19:51,279 --> 03:19:52,640
>> One suggestion. Yeah.

5024
03:19:52,640 --> 03:19:54,640
>> If he could remove the tape residue on

5025
03:19:54,640 --> 03:19:56,319
all the restroom doors and repaint

5026
03:19:56,319 --> 03:19:57,439
those.

5027
03:19:57,439 --> 03:19:59,920
>> Well, okay. I

5028
03:19:59,920 --> 03:20:01,120
>> Well, that's going to be awesome to tell

5029
03:20:01,120 --> 03:20:04,160
him. Guess what? The bathroom doors.

5030
03:20:04,160 --> 03:20:06,720
>> Um Well,

5031
03:20:06,720 --> 03:20:08,800
>> if he's Oh, no. At the very bottom, the

5032
03:20:08,800 --> 03:20:09,520
water barrels

5033
03:20:09,520 --> 03:20:10,720
>> after the meeting ends. I have another

5034
03:20:10,720 --> 03:20:12,239
suggestion, but that's not extended.

5035
03:20:12,239 --> 03:20:13,439
>> I'll talk to you after.

5036
03:20:13,439 --> 03:20:15,279
>> He has something to Yeah.

5037
03:20:15,279 --> 03:20:17,279
>> There's also one that wants to help with

5038
03:20:17,279 --> 03:20:19,760
trails, the Bonavville Shoreline Trail

5039
03:20:19,760 --> 03:20:22,160
to try to help it. Anyways, if you just

5040
03:20:22,160 --> 03:20:23,600
go to those bottom things, it's always

5041
03:20:23,600 --> 03:20:24,960
going to share. These are the three

5042
03:20:24,960 --> 03:20:28,399
working uh three working um independent

5043
03:20:28,399 --> 03:20:30,160
home and look at that beautiful rock.

5044
03:20:30,160 --> 03:20:32,319
Three independent working home water

5045
03:20:32,319 --> 03:20:35,760
storage units that are just phenomenal.

5046
03:20:35,760 --> 03:20:38,000
And I just want to show them as the way

5047
03:20:38,000 --> 03:20:41,200
you can store there's a scout yourself.

5048
03:20:41,200 --> 03:20:42,640
One of the best residents. I love that

5049
03:20:42,640 --> 03:20:44,880
resident. Um, anyways, uh, I'd love to

5050
03:20:44,880 --> 03:20:46,640
talk more about it later, but, uh, it's

5051
03:20:46,640 --> 03:20:48,080
just fascinating how the pressure comes

5052
03:20:48,080 --> 03:20:50,399
out of the bottom and how people can

5053
03:20:50,399 --> 03:20:51,600
store it for months and months and

5054
03:20:51,600 --> 03:20:53,359
months at their home and use it for

5055
03:20:53,359 --> 03:20:55,120
water needs. So,

5056
03:20:55,120 --> 03:20:56,399
>> you know, I love them. You know, I love

5057
03:20:56,399 --> 03:20:56,880
them. But,

5058
03:20:56,880 --> 03:20:57,760
>> hey, thanks everyone.

5059
03:20:57,760 --> 03:20:58,239
>> Yep.

5060
03:20:58,239 --> 03:21:02,239
>> Uh, I'll entertain a motion to dismiss.

5061
03:21:02,239 --> 03:21:05,200
>> I move that we end this city council

5062
03:21:05,200 --> 03:21:06,000
meeting.

5063
03:21:06,000 --> 03:21:07,680
>> Have a second.

5064
03:21:07,680 --> 03:21:08,239
>> I'll second.

5065
03:21:08,239 --> 03:21:09,520
>> All in favor?

5066
03:21:09,520 --> 03:21:10,319
>> I.

5067
03:21:10,319 --> 03:21:20,150
>> Thanks.

5068
03:21:20,160 --> 03:21:22,720
group that wants to do

5069
03:21:22,720 --> 03:21:26,800
a service project. We have a list of