1 00:00:13,100 --> 00:00:14,720 [sighs] 2 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:16,520 >> Okay. 3 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:18,440 Uh we welcome everybody 4 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:20,800 uh to Planning Commission on this day, 5 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,640 Tuesday, August 4th, 6:00 at City Hall. 6 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:25,520 Uh 7 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:29,440 let the record show that today's agenda 8 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,439 has been duly noted and noticed to the 9 00:00:32,439 --> 00:00:34,200 community. 10 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,480 We will and it's also being broadcast 11 00:00:37,480 --> 00:00:39,400 online. 12 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:40,960 Um 13 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,520 we are all present here but uh except 14 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,440 for our chair, Alan McDonald, but if we 15 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,280 can just start uh 16 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:51,360 and do a quick roll call and we'll start 17 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,320 with Troy. Say your name and we'll just 18 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,000 get that on the record. 19 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,000 >> Troy Slade. 20 00:00:58,000 --> 00:00:59,280 Sorry, Troy Slade. 21 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:00,440 >> Michelle Schrummer. 22 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:01,440 >> John McKay. 23 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:02,640 >> Jeff Davis. 24 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:03,640 >> Greg Butterfield. 25 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:04,559 >> Susan Wittenberg. 26 00:01:04,559 --> 00:01:06,160 >> Thank you. 27 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:07,200 Okay. 28 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,240 Um let's begin with an opening prayer. 29 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:12,320 Michelle, can you offer that and then 30 00:01:12,320 --> 00:01:13,680 we'll have 31 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:18,830 uh Greg lead us in the pledge. 32 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,000 » Our heavenly Father, we're so grateful 33 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:22,680 for the many blessings we've been given 34 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,320 and we're grateful that we're able to um 35 00:01:26,320 --> 00:01:28,440 visit and talk about this beautiful city 36 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,680 of Alpine and make decisions that will 37 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,280 continue to 38 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:34,200 um 39 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,520 encourage and produce a city the city 40 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:39,480 that we love and the neighboring and 41 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,280 community neighbors and community. We're 42 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:42,880 grateful for all that we've been given 43 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:44,640 and for this country 44 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,040 and for its 250th anniversary. We say 45 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:48,520 these things in thy son, Jesus Christ. 46 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:48,960 Amen. 47 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:50,440 >> Amen. Thank you. 48 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,961 >> All right. 49 00:01:53,971 --> 00:01:54,280 » [clears throat] 50 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,920 >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the 51 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,560 United States of America and to the 52 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,760 Republic for which it stands, one nation 53 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,800 under God, indivisible, with liberty and 54 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,681 justice for all. 55 00:02:09,691 --> 00:02:09,920 » [clears throat] 56 00:02:09,920 --> 00:02:12,200 >> I failed to recognize from our city we 57 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,560 have Marla Fox who's recording the 58 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:18,360 minutes and then we have Jason and Caden 59 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:19,880 here 60 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:21,920 with us, our 61 00:02:21,920 --> 00:02:24,240 city planner and city engineer. 62 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:25,120 Okay. 63 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,040 Um I don't believe we have any reports 64 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,120 or presentations, so we'll go on to item 65 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:31,360 three. 66 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,240 We have two items on the agenda today, 67 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,760 so we'll turn the first item 68 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:40,000 the review of proposed detached ADU code 69 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,480 language and uh we'll start turn over to 70 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:44,680 you Caden, you can 71 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:46,080 introduce that 72 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:47,120 item to us. 73 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,160 >> Okay. Thank you, Commissioner. 74 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,520 Um I want to make note before I jump to 75 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,320 that, there was a public hearing that 76 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,000 was noticed for um 77 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,040 different items in our the action items 78 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:00,840 on our agenda today. 79 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:02,280 Um 80 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:08,120 it it also noted on their discussion of ADUs as as noted here. I just want to 81 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:09,360 make it clear that this is not the 82 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,400 formal public hearing for the detached 83 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:12,720 ADUs. 84 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,400 Um it's only for the action item today. 85 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,160 There was also one other thing note that 86 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,600 was noticed that was a review of a 87 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:21,080 proposed development agreement that we 88 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:22,280 thought was going to be on the agenda 89 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:24,120 today and it is not after discussion 90 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,120 with our city administrator, so that 91 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,880 will also be noticed and have a public 92 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:30,480 hearing in the future as well. 93 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:31,680 So I just want to 94 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,600 leave that on the record. Thank you. 95 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:35,680 Okay. 96 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:37,920 Yeah, so let's jump to the first item, 97 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,120 which is a discussion item. 98 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:41,560 So 99 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:42,519 um 100 00:03:42,519 --> 00:03:45,480 this is for the chance for the 101 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,560 commissioners to provide their first 102 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,440 round of input 103 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,920 for proposed detached ADU code language 104 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,240 for our city. Um kind of an exciting 105 00:03:55,240 --> 00:04:00,640 time for Alpine. We all know that the state passed the Senate Bill 284, so 106 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,280 that's requiring us to now implement a 107 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,800 detached ADU ordinance into our code. 108 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,560 Um and so to make steps toward this, 109 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,480 we've put together this first attempt at 110 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,120 some ADU code language for the Planning 111 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:14,880 Commission to review and and consider 112 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:16,000 today. 113 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,920 Um and then at a future date, probably 114 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:20,160 the next Planning Commission meeting, 115 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:21,640 we'll bring it before you as an action 116 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,720 item to uh make a formal motion on. But 117 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,000 today again is just discussion 118 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,240 and feedback. Um 119 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,520 and so we would just request, Jason and 120 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,440 I and all staff, that you can just give 121 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,640 your input for this, provide suggestions 122 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,240 for improvement, and then uh we'll go 123 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:39,919 from there. So 124 00:04:39,919 --> 00:04:41,160 um 125 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:42,960 I guess I wanted to start off, before I 126 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:44,520 jump to the two exhibits that I included 127 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,280 in the packet, uh I sent an email to all 128 00:04:47,280 --> 00:04:49,880 the commissioners just about 2 hours ago 129 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,160 that had two presentations in it. I 130 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,000 don't know if you all saw that, 131 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:55,480 but I thought I would 132 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,120 bring up 133 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:58,840 um 134 00:04:58,840 --> 00:05:00,400 just 135 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,200 maybe just a 136 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,880 uh preamble to talking about the code 137 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:06,640 language more in depth. Um I think 138 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,163 there's a lot of fear sometimes around 139 00:05:09,163 --> 00:05:09,680 >> [clears throat] 140 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,600 >> adding detached accessory dwelling units 141 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,400 that uh into a community. Um and so a 142 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,360 lot of communities around Utah have not 143 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,040 had a detached ADU 144 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,120 ordinance or even a attached ADU 145 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,000 ordinance for that matter until the 146 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:24,440 state started requiring it, and now the 147 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:26,200 state is requiring the detached as well. 148 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,200 And so um I think this is a cool quote, 149 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:30,919 "A healthy community has housing for 150 00:05:30,919 --> 00:05:33,680 families at all stages of life. 151 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:35,800 ADUs fill an important niche, allowing 152 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:37,960 seniors to age in place 153 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,080 and young adult children to stay close 154 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:41,120 to home." 155 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:42,568 Um 156 00:05:42,568 --> 00:05:42,919 >> [clears throat] 157 00:05:42,919 --> 00:05:45,360 >> I, as a city planner, I think ADUs are a 158 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,960 great thing. I think they they do allow 159 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,920 for these two things that you know, a 160 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:52,760 lot of people 161 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:54,560 maybe don't realize the benefit of ADUs 162 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:56,080 until their kids get old enough and then 163 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:57,040 they can't afford to stay in the 164 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:58,360 community they live in and they have to 165 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,360 move far away or their parents get old 166 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,240 enough that they have to they have to 167 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,800 move out or 168 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:06,720 go somewhere else and 169 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:07,960 um 170 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:09,920 and when I was in Wasatch County before 171 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:11,360 coming here to Alpine City, that was one 172 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,560 thing I remember that that made me 173 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,520 you know, question 174 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:17,840 what [snorts] really should be in our 175 00:06:17,840 --> 00:06:20,200 ordinances to allow for healthy 176 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:21,960 community as it says here and allow for 177 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,360 families to stay close together. Um up 178 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,720 in Wasatch County to have detached ADUs 179 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:28,560 were allowed, but they were 180 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:30,440 conditional use. 181 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:34,320 Um and they were only allowed for 182 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,320 uh visitors. And so there was no one 183 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:38,480 could stay there long-term. 184 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:39,919 So I remember working with someone that 185 00:06:39,919 --> 00:06:42,360 wanted to create a detached ADU space 186 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,000 for his mom that was aging and then he 187 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:46,480 wanted to live on his property and he 188 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,000 wasn't able to do it. And so I think it 189 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:50,440 um that kind of opened my eyes to the 190 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:52,000 reality of 191 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,680 you know, I think we we can fail our our 192 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:56,400 community. We can fail our people if we 193 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:57,880 don't have the right ordinances in place 194 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:02,200 to allow them to uh to live and to stay close to their 195 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:03,919 families as they would like to. So I 196 00:07:03,919 --> 00:07:05,760 think um that's a great thing to keep in 197 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:07,680 mind as we're we're considering this. I 198 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,360 love this book. Um I had to read this 199 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:15,000 book when I was in school and uh it's called The Option 200 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:16,320 of Urbanism. 201 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,240 And uh the main thing the main takeaway 202 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,520 from the book basically is 203 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:23,800 right there in the title, The Option of 204 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,120 Urbanism. And it talks a lot about how 205 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,400 really the best communities are ones 206 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:30,520 where people have options and they have 207 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,360 choices. If we have a code that 208 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:36,520 restricts too much then only one type of 209 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,120 building or one type of commercial 210 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,800 development will come in to a city. And 211 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,400 so if we have options and we we allow 212 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:44,680 those in our community then our 213 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:46,560 community has more opportunities to 214 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,200 thrive. 215 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:52,960 Um so, yeah. So, I sent you guys this presentation. These are just a 216 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,880 couple slides from it. Um 217 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,040 I think 218 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,320 ADUs really can help and 219 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:02,760 you know, like it says here, they might 220 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:04,360 not solve the whole crisis, but it could 221 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,960 solve one family's crisis and so that matters. 222 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,280 And then um 223 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,120 you know, we all 224 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,760 can recognize the ADU size limits also 225 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,720 vary and do matter. 226 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:19,280 All cities require ADUs to be smaller 227 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:20,440 than the main home, which is a great 228 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:21,360 thing. 229 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:23,000 And I think people realize that that's 230 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:24,000 what it's they're supposed to be. 231 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:24,960 small and 232 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:26,840 affordable so that people can 233 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:27,880 live in them. They don't have to be 234 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:29,880 monstrosities that dominate the the main 235 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,479 dwelling already on a property. 236 00:08:32,479 --> 00:08:36,599 Um and so, just a few examples here and 237 00:08:36,599 --> 00:08:38,080 you know, one bed, one bath, less than 238 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,200 600 square feet, three bed, two bath, 239 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,240 less than 1,200 square feet. 240 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:43,880 Um it's 241 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:45,120 as we're considering this ordinance, I 242 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:46,640 think it's good to keep in mind all the 243 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:48,320 different varieties that could come into 244 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:49,600 the city 245 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:53,200 and to try to leave options for people 246 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:54,800 to to do 247 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,680 you know, a lot of different 248 00:08:57,680 --> 00:09:00,960 choices with this while also making sure 249 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,040 our the spirit of our code and the 250 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,320 community we want to build is met. 251 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,520 All right, let me go back now to the 252 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,230 packet. 253 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:12,640 So, hopefully that kind of just warms us 254 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:14,480 up for this discussion. 255 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,760 Um exhibit A that I was I sent in the 256 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,760 packet was the ADU state requirements 257 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:22,839 that went into effect or that were 258 00:09:22,839 --> 00:09:24,280 adopted and will go into effect on 259 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:25,720 October 1st. 260 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,240 Um yeah, so if I haven't clarified that, 261 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:29,440 this will 262 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,760 the ADU requirements for detached ADUs 263 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:34,920 go into effect on October 1st. So, we do 264 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,400 have to have an ordinance adopted before 265 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:38,840 that date. 266 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,560 Uh that per state statute. Um so the 267 00:09:41,560 --> 00:09:42,960 first one 268 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,640 that the new state requirements call for 269 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:50,000 is that any lot over 11,000 square feet 270 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,200 is allowed to have a detached ADU as 271 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,920 long as it's zoned for uh single-family 272 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:56,200 dwellings. 273 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,320 Um and then this part right here, 274 00:09:58,320 --> 00:09:59,800 anything 275 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:01,520 uh the section also does not prohibit a 276 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,000 municipality from adopting a regulation 277 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,480 to allow smaller 11,000 square feet uh 278 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:07,680 onto 279 00:10:07,680 --> 00:10:09,640 to have detached ADUs as well. So that's 280 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:10,840 a good thing to keep in mind. Really, 281 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,760 most of our city is over 11,000 square 282 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,520 feet. We have a TR 10,000 zone. So there 283 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,680 are some 10,000 uh square foot lots, but 284 00:10:19,680 --> 00:10:22,160 other than that, most most lots in our 285 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:23,960 city that are zoned for residential will 286 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:27,000 be allowed to have a detached ADU. 287 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:28,640 Um number two, they have to meet these 288 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,480 fire, health, and and building codes. So 289 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:33,200 I'll jump over that one quick. 290 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:34,160 Um 291 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,560 number three, 292 00:10:36,560 --> 00:10:40,000 so municipalities may not require them 293 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:41,480 to be conditional uses. They have to be 294 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,560 permitted uses. 295 00:10:43,560 --> 00:10:46,240 Um a municipality may also not require 296 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,800 more than two parking spaces 297 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:53,480 um for a a detached ADU that is over 650 298 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:55,400 square feet. 299 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:59,120 And a municipality may also not 300 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:00,839 require more than one onsite parking 301 00:11:00,839 --> 00:11:02,160 space 302 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,200 for anything that's under 650 square 303 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,120 feet. 304 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,440 Um and then number four is where it gets 305 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:10,960 interesting. So this is where we have uh 306 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:12,520 authority essentially. This is where we 307 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,080 can make a difference for our own local 308 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:18,200 ordinance. So Alpine City, we can uh 309 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,480 allow or require the detached ADU to 310 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,360 conform to applicable land use 311 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,800 regulations governing size, dimension, 312 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,600 height, and lot coverage. 313 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:30,200 Um we currently don't have a lot 314 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,120 coverage ordinance except for in the TR 315 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,480 10,000 and the business commercial zone. 316 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,040 So, just to keep that in mind as well. 317 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,640 And then Alpine City, we can also 318 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:41,720 require these detached ADUs to conform 319 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:43,800 to setback requirements with all these 320 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:45,480 things in consideration for those 321 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,120 setbacks. 322 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,720 And then we can also require that 323 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:51,920 detached ADU be designed consistent with 324 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:53,160 the design of the single-family 325 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:54,480 dwelling, 326 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,120 which I think is a great thing as well 327 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:57,560 to make sure we have 328 00:11:57,560 --> 00:11:59,840 conformity and uniformity with our with 329 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:03,280 the look and feel of our city. 330 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,160 So, another thing. So, Alpine City can 331 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:07,960 prohibit a detached ADU from being 332 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:09,320 larger in size than the single-family 333 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:10,400 dwelling. 334 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,880 Uh can prohibit it from being within a 335 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,560 easement, within a front yard, or rented 336 00:12:15,560 --> 00:12:18,080 for less than 90 days. So, we can 337 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,640 require these to be long-term rentals, 338 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:22,600 um which is usually implied. Usually 339 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:23,720 it's 340 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:25,680 uh anything over 30 days is a long-term 341 00:12:25,680 --> 00:12:26,640 rental, 342 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:28,480 but this would allow us to to boost that 343 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:32,150 to 90 days if we would want to. 344 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,760 Um we can also require 345 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,200 uh the property owner to reside in 346 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:38,680 either the single-family home or the 347 00:12:38,680 --> 00:12:40,760 detached ADU on their property. That can 348 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:42,400 be something we require in our 349 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,400 ordinance. 350 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:46,920 We can also require that if uh current 351 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:50,320 detached garage becomes an ADU, that all 352 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:51,760 required parking spaces that were in the 353 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:55,880 garage be replaced on site. 354 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,280 And this one's key as well, I think. 355 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,520 Uh Alpine City, we can we can prohibit 356 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,280 more than one accessory dwelling unit on 357 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:05,200 a lot or parcel. So, if someone already 358 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:09,240 has an an uh attached or interior ADU, 359 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,000 they could be prohibited from getting a 360 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:15,350 detached ADU. 361 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:16,839 Um let me just finish this out and then 362 00:13:16,839 --> 00:13:17,960 I'll turn to the commissioners if they 363 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,240 have any questions. Uh and then we can 364 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:24,360 also prohibit a detached ADU to to go in 365 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:27,000 if they will not have adequate access to 366 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:28,520 sanitary sewer, 367 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,120 culinary water, electrical, or storm 368 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:31,080 water. 369 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,640 And if the utility system the utility 370 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:36,680 system does not 371 00:13:36,680 --> 00:13:38,720 have sufficient capacity 372 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,990 with those things as well. 373 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:43,040 And then number five is just 374 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,760 limitations. So it's just saying that um 375 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,080 this does this only regulates 376 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:50,560 uh detached ADUs, it doesn't regulate 377 00:13:50,560 --> 00:13:52,480 other accessory buildings. 378 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:53,640 Um 379 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,880 or anything outside of that. 380 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,120 Okay, before we look at our code that we 381 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:00,720 have proposed so far, does anyone have 382 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:04,950 any questions or comments? 383 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:06,760 » No, I think I think 384 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:07,320 Go ahead and 385 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:08,200 >> Think you're good? Okay. 386 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:09,680 >> proposed code and then we can have 387 00:14:09,680 --> 00:14:10,240 discussion. 388 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:11,440 >> Okay. 389 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:13,520 All right, access So exhibit B, this is 390 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:15,160 the proposed detached ADU code that we 391 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,080 have put together so far. 392 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,680 So this includes adding a definition to 393 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:21,800 our definition section for detached 394 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:23,280 ADUs, and this comes straight from the 395 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,440 state website, this definition. An 396 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:26,920 accessory dwelling unit that is not 397 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,520 attached to or within a primary detached 398 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:31,080 single-family dwelling 399 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,320 and located on the same lot or parcel as 400 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:34,520 the primary detached single-family 401 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:36,160 dwelling. So pretty straightforward 402 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,160 there. 403 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,800 Um okay, so now jumping to our ADU code, 404 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,360 which is 314 in the Alpine Development 405 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:44,520 Code. 406 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:46,360 So we would 407 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,040 re-number these so the 408 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:49,920 uh 409 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:51,800 internal accessory dwelling units would 410 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,280 now get their own section 020 and then 411 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,360 detached would be 030. 412 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,040 And then this one would become 040, 413 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:01,080 non-residential accessory structures. 414 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:02,600 So first I'm just looking at the code in 415 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,920 general. So 314 talks about accessory 416 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:06,680 dwelling units. 417 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:08,120 Um 418 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,520 took out this line and put it underneath 419 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,160 the internal section. 420 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:14,839 Uh which we would now have. So in the 421 00:15:14,839 --> 00:15:16,520 internal accessory dwelling units may be 422 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:18,760 permitted use subject to the following. 423 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:20,560 Under 020 424 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:23,000 add the word internal here so we've 425 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:23,720 uh 426 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:25,640 so we designated this is talking about 427 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,520 internal units now. 428 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:30,920 Uh number two, we were adding if a 429 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:31,680 property 430 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:32,680 >> Can you go up a little bit? 431 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:34,120 >> Yeah. 432 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:39,270 >> Um 433 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:43,230 » [snorts] 434 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:45,160 » I'm just looking at the requirement of 435 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,560 owner occupancy. So, they still need to 436 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:49,280 be owner occupied. 437 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:50,560 And this isn't a change, I'm just trying 438 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:52,080 to understand the current ordinance. 439 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:52,760 >> Yeah. 440 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:59,270 >> Um 441 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:00,880 So, we're just allowing a temporary 442 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,560 absence as opposed to 443 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:05,680 vacating it and having it entirely 444 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:07,000 non-owner occupied. 445 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:08,880 >> Correct. That's what our current current 446 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:10,680 zone current code allows, yeah. 447 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,080 >> Yeah. 448 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:16,110 Um 449 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,480 Okay, and so this for number two, we 450 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,280 just added in here to clarify if a 451 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:21,400 property already has a detached 452 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:22,680 accessory dwelling unit, no internal 453 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:26,000 accessory dwelling unit will be allowed. 454 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,440 So, we're kind of 455 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,640 for now, we're going off the state 456 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:34,000 statute which allows us to restrict more 457 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:35,680 than one on a property. That's our 458 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:37,880 proposal right now. 459 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,640 Everything else stays the same here. 460 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:42,280 And then the brand new code would be 461 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:43,960 314030, 462 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,080 which is detached ADUs. 463 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:49,080 Okay, so first I'll just say this is 464 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:49,920 we 465 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:51,880 tried to mimic 466 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,160 very much the internal 467 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:55,400 ADUs, 468 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,440 the all the language up here for most of 469 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,480 it that works. 470 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:01,000 So, if you read both of these, you'll 471 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:02,760 notice there's a lot of copying language 472 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,760 there just to make it consistent. 473 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:09,120 So, number one, 474 00:17:09,120 --> 00:17:10,640 detached ADUs will be allowed if they're 475 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:12,880 permitted use in the zone. 476 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,079 Um they should they'll only be permitted 477 00:17:15,079 --> 00:17:17,240 on lots greater than 11,000 square feet 478 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:18,959 and only in owner-occupied single unit 479 00:17:18,959 --> 00:17:20,800 detached dwellings. 480 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,920 So, for now, we are proposing that 481 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,439 uh anything under 11,000 is not allowed. 482 00:17:26,439 --> 00:17:28,520 The state statute allows us to 483 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,160 uh to do that, but um 484 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:32,520 but for now we want to restrict that to 485 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:34,840 11,000. That's our original 486 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:36,480 proposal. 487 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,400 Um these are all the same as we just 488 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:39,960 read above. 489 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:41,880 On owner-occupied requirements that John 490 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:43,560 was just asking about. 491 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,200 Um this one clarifies a maximum of one 492 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,040 shall be permitted in each unit each 493 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:51,000 unit if appropriately has an internal no 494 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,160 detached will be allowed. 495 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:54,760 The access the detached accessory 496 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:56,280 dwelling unit shall provide at least one 497 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:57,760 on-site parking space in addition to the 498 00:17:57,760 --> 00:17:59,200 parking spaces required for the 499 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:00,762 dwelling. 500 00:18:00,762 --> 00:18:00,880 >> [snorts] 501 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:02,600 >> So, the state statute allows us to have 502 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:04,240 up to two. 503 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,920 Uh for now I've just put one just to try 504 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:08,280 and to make it easier for people that 505 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:10,440 are going to occupy these units. 506 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:11,720 But that's up to the commissioners and 507 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:13,360 the council to decide if we want to 508 00:18:13,360 --> 00:18:16,280 require two parking spaces. 509 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:18,440 Uh the detached accessory dwelling unit 510 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:20,080 shall have a living space of no more 511 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,280 than 1,200 square feet in size. So, this 512 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:24,080 is our original proposal for size 513 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:25,280 limits. 514 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:27,240 And that's of living space. 515 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,400 Uh so, it doesn't include a garage or 516 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,280 anything like that, but it it's just for 517 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:32,960 the living space to have a maximum of 518 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,120 1,200 square feet. 519 00:18:36,120 --> 00:18:37,440 The detached accessory dwelling unit 520 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:38,840 shall meet the same setbacks as those 521 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:40,560 required for accessory buildings in the 522 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,800 zone in which is located. 523 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:45,200 Um 524 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:46,960 built with materials and design that 525 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,560 match those of the main dwelling. 526 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:51,200 Comply with all internal international 527 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,520 residential building codes. 528 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,240 And then this one's key as well, connect 529 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:56,480 to the same meter as the main [laughter] 530 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:57,760 dwelling 531 00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:59,440 for water, gas, electricity utility 532 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,080 service, and the meter shall be in the 533 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:02,520 name of the owner. That's that's 534 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,000 straight from our internal code that 535 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,800 would currently exist. 536 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,470 Um and these two are as well. 537 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,120 Currently exist, so So, just added those 538 00:19:12,120 --> 00:19:13,800 in as well. 539 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:14,600 And then, [clears throat] yeah, this 540 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:17,280 four was added in, too, to update that 541 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,200 section. 542 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,880 And that is it. So, 543 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:23,640 any discussion that we want to have on 544 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:27,360 this, we are now open for comment. 545 00:19:27,360 --> 00:19:29,480 Comments from 546 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:33,150 the review. 547 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,000 » Yeah, my my thought is why are we 548 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,840 limiting it to 1,200 square feet? 549 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:39,600 State kind of self-limits it. It just 550 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:40,840 needs to be smaller than the primary 551 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:42,360 residence, right? 552 00:19:42,360 --> 00:19:43,000 >> I'm right. 553 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,563 >> Why why are we put placing that? 554 00:19:45,563 --> 00:19:45,640 >> [snorts] 555 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:50,590 >> I think it was an initial number. Um 556 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:52,440 There's 557 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:53,920 Yeah, where I worked before, the limit 558 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,520 was 1,000 square feet, even in Wasatch 559 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:57,840 County, which has a lot of big open 560 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,320 properties. Um 561 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,080 I I don't think it has to be 1,200. It 562 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:04,520 was just the initial number we wanted to 563 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,560 put out for you guys to consider. 564 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,840 >> A question I had is should you tie it to the size of the 565 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,400 lot? So, 11,000 square feet is basically 566 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,040 a quarter of an acre. 567 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:15,880 And so, the question I'd have, there's 568 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:17,200 lots of positives from negative 569 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:18,760 standpoint, what does it do to property 570 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:20,360 value for neighbors and others that are 571 00:20:20,360 --> 00:20:23,200 associated? And should you associate the 572 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,040 size relative to the lot? So, if you 573 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:26,800 have a half-acre lot, does it make sense 574 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:30,040 to allow a 2,400 575 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:31,800 But, do you limit so you don't end up 576 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:33,280 where you You know what I mean? Where 577 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:34,440 you have a quarter of an acre, and I 578 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:35,720 don't know the size of the home that's 579 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:37,760 there, but then if you put too big of a 580 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,320 ADU, then you basically have an 581 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:40,920 apartment complex. You know what I mean? 582 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:41,360 >> Mhm. 583 00:20:41,360 --> 00:20:42,840 >> You get rid of open space, and so my 584 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,880 question was should you tie the size to 585 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,360 the size of the lot so that you 586 00:20:48,360 --> 00:20:50,320 eliminate maybe 587 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:51,680 some negative 588 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:53,600 aspect for neighbors and stuff with 589 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,040 regards to overpopulated, and you're 590 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:57,280 still going to have the ordinances where 591 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:58,920 offsets and stuff need to be in place, 592 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:00,000 but 593 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,000 >> I don't know if that makes sense. 594 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:02,680 >> think so. I like that idea. 595 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:03,440 >> Cuz 596 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,240 worst case scenario, I mean, you You a 597 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,760 quarter like acre lot, and 598 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:08,680 I don't know a 599 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,640 1,200 square foot could 600 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,760 That's pretty big, right? I think for a 601 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:14,520 quarter acre 602 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,400 lot with a decent size house on it. I 603 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:17,080 mean 604 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:18,240 >> And then you said that that's just the 605 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,360 living space. So I'm assuming that you 606 00:21:20,360 --> 00:21:22,120 could have a garage. 607 00:21:22,120 --> 00:21:22,600 >> Mhm. 608 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:23,880 >> Got some height limits and stuff as I 609 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:25,880 read through this, but the question is 610 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:27,840 if you tied it to the lot size then 611 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:29,709 maybe it wouldn't be 612 00:21:29,709 --> 00:21:29,920 >> [clears throat] 613 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:31,640 >> as offensive. I mean I've got a meeting 614 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,000 after this one and I went through the 615 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,000 public sector and people always complain 616 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,480 someone build a big garage and ruin my 617 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,080 view or this or that and I'm assuming 618 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,320 for people that don't have ADUs that 619 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,200 live in the neighborhood. 620 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:44,840 You know, I just used AI what are the 621 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,880 negatives of ADUs and there's as many 622 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,480 negatives as positives. 623 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:48,960 >> Yeah. 624 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,200 >> And one's property value, it's you know, 625 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,200 overcrowding at streets, it's it's 626 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,720 safety, it's school systems, it's 627 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:57,240 infrastructure, it's sewer, it's 628 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,080 electricity, it's all that stuff. 629 00:21:59,080 --> 00:21:59,920 >> Mhm. 630 00:21:59,920 --> 00:22:01,600 >> And so I'm just trying to think on both 631 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,680 sides. How do you get all the benefit 632 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,160 while minimizing some of maybe 633 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:06,680 >> Maybe the negatives that people might 634 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:07,680 think about. 635 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:08,880 >> Mhm. 636 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:09,360 >> I don't know. 637 00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:10,680 >> That's a good thought process. Yeah, go 638 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:11,120 ahead Susan. 639 00:22:11,120 --> 00:22:12,560 >> I already have I know there's people 640 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:13,760 that are renting out their homes for 641 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,710 Airbnbs. Microphone. 642 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,760 Okay, using it there place for Airbnbs. 643 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:22,520 And so a lot of people who I've talked 644 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:23,880 to I mean they know it's illegal but 645 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,680 it's just kind of a 646 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,320 So to me this is just like a green light 647 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,280 for that and I mean we may be I have I 648 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:31,640 got to look at that where it talks about 649 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,760 I'm assuming what you brought up John or 650 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,440 when they leave for a while. That's 651 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:36,840 probably somebody is serving a mission 652 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:38,640 or going taking another job for a while 653 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,160 so the property property owner doesn't 654 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,600 have to have to be there. But an Airbnb 655 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,840 I mean I just I just think 656 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,080 I don't know. 657 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,520 If that's not what we allow, I just feel 658 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:49,880 like we ought to probably address that 659 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:51,120 at the same time because that is going 660 00:22:51,120 --> 00:22:51,200 to 661 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:52,760 >> Yeah, didn't you say that the primary 662 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:54,440 person needs to live in one or the other 663 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,400 and then I think there was like a 90-day 664 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:57,680 >> it said two year. 665 00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,400 >> Well, that's that's an exception if 666 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,520 someone were to go do a service or 667 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:02,760 >> Yeah, that 668 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:02,880 was 669 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,720 >> something but 670 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,600 What's the limitation for rentals? Was 671 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,120 it 90 I'm going off memory. Is it 90 672 00:23:08,120 --> 00:23:10,520 days? 673 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:11,120 But someone can 674 00:23:11,120 --> 00:23:12,920 >> Oh, short-term rentals is anything under 675 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:14,680 30 days is a short-term rental. Anything 676 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,080 over is a long-term rental. 677 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:17,680 >> 30 days. 678 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,080 >> Yeah, we don't allow short-term rentals 679 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:20,560 in our city. 680 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:21,400 Yeah. 681 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:22,880 >> I don't know if we can write an write an 682 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,320 ordinance that 683 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,280 says we really meant it when there's no 684 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:27,800 short-term rentals in the city. You 685 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:29,720 can't can't use it here for any use 686 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:30,120 here. 687 00:23:30,120 --> 00:23:32,520 >> I I I do think that adding that code 688 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:33,360 would be good. 689 00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:33,960 >> Do you? Okay. 690 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:34,640 >> Mhm. 691 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:35,160 >> That could be good. 692 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,840 >> So, you you mentioned getting up on 693 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,080 setbacks. 694 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:40,440 They wouldn't they would just be the 695 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,600 same, all right? That we currently have. 696 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:43,800 We're not 697 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,240 doing any kind of change in setbacks. 698 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:46,400 And 699 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,480 >> That's our current proposal. Yeah. So, 700 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,880 for for the TR-10,000 zone that would be 701 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,760 5 ft on the side, 10 ft in the rear. 702 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,000 And then for the other two major 703 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,600 residential zones it would be 10 ft on 704 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,200 the side, 15 ft on the rear. 705 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:00,120 >> Yeah. 706 00:24:00,120 --> 00:24:01,720 I mean 707 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:06,160 I probably am fine with whatever size 708 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:07,960 that they want 709 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,560 as long as that they comply to the 710 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:11,200 >> setbacks 711 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:15,040 >> the setbacks. You know, because 712 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,680 it's going to be awfully I mean 713 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:21,200 you know, if you have a quarter acre or 714 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,080 bigger, let's say you have a half acre 715 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:24,480 and uh 716 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:28,360 what maybe a 3,000 ft square foot home 717 00:24:28,360 --> 00:24:29,720 you know, you're going to be hard 718 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,200 pressed to put anything 719 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:33,120 bigger than 12 720 00:24:33,120 --> 00:24:34,040 >> It's self-limiting, yeah. 721 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,240 >> Yeah, it's self-limiting. Yeah, I guess 722 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:37,040 it's 723 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,960 but I'm I'm fine either way of 724 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,400 explicitly stating having some kind of 725 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,080 ratio that you're saying, you know, then 726 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:46,640 that's just more code that we have to 727 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,400 put in and go if it's you know, so what 728 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,400 if it's in between, you know, or I guess 729 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,800 that we could write it generic and say 730 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,640 it's you know 731 00:24:55,640 --> 00:25:00,240 the size of the ADU is some function of 732 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,320 the lot size 733 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:07,827 divided divided by, you know, yeah. 734 00:25:07,827 --> 00:25:09,160 >> [clears throat] 735 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,280 >> Just to make a comment real quick to the 736 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,120 to Troy's point earlier about if a 737 00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:15,720 quarter acre lot so quarter acre lots 738 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,560 will only exist in our TR 10,000 zone 739 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,360 and those are those do have lot coverage 740 00:25:20,360 --> 00:25:22,240 requirements which is 50% of the lot. 741 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:23,040 >> Oh, okay. 742 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:23,400 >> Yeah. 743 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:24,080 >> Oh, okay. 744 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,000 >> So really it's only we're we're talking 745 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,477 about half acre-ish and up. 746 00:25:27,477 --> 00:25:27,680 >> [snorts] 747 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:28,680 >> That's what we're talking about for 748 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,080 size. Yeah. 749 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,040 >> Cuz we're setting 11,000 as a minimum 750 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:32,520 >> Yeah. 751 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,000 >> Correct. Yeah. 752 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,760 >> So I know when this has come up before, 753 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:37,880 knowing that [clears throat] this code 754 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,800 was good this statute was going to pass 755 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,640 you know, we've had discussions on 756 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,120 water and waste water. I mean 757 00:25:48,120 --> 00:25:51,000 on the PI system we're actually going to 758 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,200 come out ahead, right? 759 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,600 So so it's just going to be an increase 760 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,960 in culinary and an increase in waste 761 00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:01,600 water. 762 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,160 Um 763 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:08,640 I guess at what point Jason do we have to like 764 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,920 consider that in in our I mean our next 765 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,760 update is not going to be for another 4 766 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,040 years. 767 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,360 So do we just say, well, we're we're 768 00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:21,880 okay we're okay and then in 4 years when 769 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,000 we're doing our next update we've had 770 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,480 you know, 100 ADUs applications or 771 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,240 something and we'll just incorporate 772 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:31,880 that into our 773 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,520 planning. 774 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,160 >> That's probably the smart way to do it I 775 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:37,800 would say just because we don't have the 776 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,520 data. Uh I do have a meeting with TSSSD 777 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,120 next week and I wanted to bring that up 778 00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:43,920 and 779 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,400 their perception of 780 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,560 >> Because with the discussion right now, 781 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,400 let's say we've got a 4,000 square foot 782 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,800 home and they put a 3,999 783 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:54,200 >> Yeah. 784 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:55,720 >> square foot home 785 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:56,400 >> Right. 786 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,200 >> ADU I should say behind their house and 787 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:00,920 they have their brother live there. 788 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:01,440 >> Yeah. 789 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,400 >> We now basically have doubled 790 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:05,640 >> Yeah, exactly. 791 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,760 >> the impact there for all the utilities. 792 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,600 >> So So on those ADUs, do they just run a 793 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,480 brand new sewer line to the street? 794 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,520 >> So in the code, they have to use the 795 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,640 existing one that's there. So they would 796 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,400 have to connect into it. 797 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:22,720 >> here in Los Angeles. You have to use the 798 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:23,120 same 799 00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:26,080 >> Okay. Okay. I I saw you right there, but 800 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:30,160 I didn't click that it has to be part of 801 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:31,240 the same system. 802 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,040 >> Yeah. Now, one comment on the PI system, 803 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,480 let's say I had 5 acres and well, just 804 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,200 under 5 acres because it'd be four they 805 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,120 could have with 5 acres. 806 00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:43,880 Um in the back field, there was nothing 807 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,000 there. 808 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:46,480 Well, now I'm putting a 809 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,960 ADU back there. I want to make that nice 810 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,480 around it. 811 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:51,520 >> Yeah. 812 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,120 >> actually be times where PI is 813 00:27:54,120 --> 00:27:54,920 >> could increase. 814 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,920 Overall, I would agree 815 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,280 more than likely it won't. 816 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,560 >> Yeah. Yeah, I think more than likely 817 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,480 it's going to decrease in most cases. 818 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:03,000 >> Yes. 819 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,120 >> If you have 5 acres, you probably 820 00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:05,600 subdivide it and sell the whole thing 821 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:06,720 off as a half an acre or [laughter] a 822 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:07,400 lot. 823 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:08,760 >> Exactly. 824 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:09,480 >> three lots. 825 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,040 >> We've got a lot of people that have 5 826 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:12,800 acres that love it. 827 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,280 >> Have you forecasted how many ADUs there 828 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:16,920 would be and the impact on 829 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:17,680 infrastructure? 830 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,600 >> I haven't. Cayden, have you? 831 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,720 >> We tried to figure out what the 832 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:22,560 >> That's a good question. 833 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:23,600 >> best case, worst case, most likely it 834 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,280 would be and what kind of impact cuz 835 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:31,040 >> Now, I know we did look 836 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:32,680 a couple months ago, probably a year 837 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,400 ago, we had a resident that wanted to 838 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,640 take our current current code down from 839 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,440 5 acres to two and a half and we put it 840 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:39,800 back to five. 841 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,480 >> I remember that one. 842 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,760 >> If you wanted to, we could probably 843 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,120 But as Cayden said, it'll be most lots 844 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:51,880 in the city besides the the TR 10,000s. 845 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,600 >> What is the state requiring? How many do 846 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,200 you need to have? I mean, what does the code from the state say? 847 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:58,400 >> They're they're not requiring 848 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,040 >> do ADUs, but they're not saying if 849 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,840 you've got 15,000 residents, you need to 850 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,120 have a thousand or they don't have a a 851 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:05,080 number 852 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:05,640 or something. 853 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,320 >> property owner decision. 854 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:07,640 >> Yeah. 855 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,360 forcing us to make to do it. To 856 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:09,600 allow 857 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:10,480 >> Just to allow them. 858 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:11,240 >> Yeah. 859 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:12,680 >> It's just to address the housing 860 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:13,840 shortage. 861 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,000 >> Yeah. 862 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,480 >> Like the smaller lot size at 1,200, I 863 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,480 think then it is an accessory dwelling. 864 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,840 Um otherwise it does get complicated if 865 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,600 you like you said, even if 866 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:27,280 >> Yeah. 867 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,120 >> if it's tied to the lot 868 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,120 that just says less than the main house 869 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,000 you you can get pretty large pretty 870 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,160 fast. 871 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:37,520 >> Sure. 872 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,400 >> And um 873 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,040 Yeah, I do like the 1,200 square foot 874 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,960 cuz then it is an accessory dwelling and 875 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,320 not 876 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:47,720 >> another house 877 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,800 >> And that's probably how we'll go end up 878 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,440 going, Michelle, frankly, because 879 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:53,760 I mean 880 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,240 everywhere every city does not allow you 881 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,280 to build two homes on a single on a 882 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:02,440 single parcel. I mean, that's that's against, you know, that's 883 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:03,360 >> Until now. 884 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,240 >> Well, and now we're trying to 885 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,600 >> I know. I also like the two cars. 886 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:10,200 >> Yeah. 887 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,560 >> Instead of just the one 888 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,600 we could use the language like the state 889 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,160 does. It designates it. I just worry 890 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,400 that if you try to sneak 891 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,920 1,200 square foot and you don't put a 892 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,000 garage and you only have to have one 893 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,600 spot on some pea gravel 894 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:26,040 >> Yeah. 895 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:27,560 >> then you're going to have cars in 896 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,480 streets and neighborhoods and stuff. 897 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:31,200 >> And you know 898 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:32,720 >> I'm just thinking on the small end. 899 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,040 >> Yeah, and but here in Alpine from 900 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:36,360 November to March, you 901 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:37,720 >> You're not allowed, but 902 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,261 >> that, so 903 00:30:39,261 --> 00:30:39,960 >> [laughter] 904 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:41,920 >> Yeah. 905 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,600 Unless you run and move your car right 906 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,120 before it snows. Oh, it's going to snow 907 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,040 tonight. I better get it off the street. 908 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:48,960 >> Which it doesn't snow here now, so 909 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,480 >> Last year was four times. 910 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,200 >> to be a big one this [laughter] year. 911 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:53,960 >> Yeah. 912 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:55,320 >> Cross your fingers. 913 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,200 >> Yeah, those those are all those are all 914 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,800 really good comments. 915 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:01,720 >> Jeff, can I just add something? Are you 916 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,200 looking Do you want us to kind of figure 917 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,320 out a 918 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,200 equation of how to something to to do 919 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,200 with that for the next meeting of 920 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,520 if it's you can do 10% of your lot as 921 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,320 long as the unit isn't over 1,500 square 922 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,240 feet or cuz there some ideas that you 923 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,120 want with that? Do we Do you want us to 924 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,040 take a stab at that? 925 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,640 Do you want to think about that? 926 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,000 >> I mean, I think it's either that or or 927 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,040 what Michelle is saying, you know. 928 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:34,440 So, 929 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:41,000 you know, and I and I think we could debate it and maybe yeah, if it's not that much effort 930 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:41,840 >> Like we can come 931 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,200 >> come up and then and then we're and then 932 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,320 basically we end up 933 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,080 propose making a proposal to the city 934 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,280 council and go, "Okay, we discussed it 935 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,640 and we felt as a commission 936 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,000 a set size maximum, no matter the lot 937 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,680 size, was better fit. 938 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,080 >> And 939 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,160 like on the TR-10,000 where you have 50% 940 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,720 has to be 941 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:10,680 land 942 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:11,520 >> Mhm. 943 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:12,200 >> unbuilt 944 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:13,320 >> Yes. 945 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,202 >> There may need to be something in here 946 00:32:16,202 --> 00:32:16,240 >> [snorts] 947 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,840 >> so that we maintain 948 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,960 this more open feel if that's what we're 949 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:21,840 going for. 950 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,440 >> Exactly. 951 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,600 >> That maybe somebody's lot really will 952 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,280 only let them build a 1,000 square foot 953 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,560 home on their half acre lot because that 954 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,920 plus their big home 955 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,000 you know, is maxes is the buildable 956 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:36,200 space. 957 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,160 >> Yeah, this massing concept. yeah. 958 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,320 >> Yeah. 959 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:41,280 and that's the tricky thing about 960 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:42,800 the ordinance, too. I mean, we can be 961 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,440 very specific with a lot of different 962 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,680 scenarios, but then an ordinance gets 963 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,280 really complicated, right? So, we try to 964 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,920 do kind of a comprehensive number, and 965 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,600 then we just hope that the other checks 966 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,880 and balances will will monitor the size 967 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:55,720 people will put. 968 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,960 >> me of what the state required. 969 00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,480 In terms They don't have a requirement. 970 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:00,400 >> It doesn't advise it all? 971 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:01,440 >> No. 972 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:02,160 >> Yeah. 973 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,480 >> I have one more concern. So, I did I did 974 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:05,040 look at the 975 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:06,520 >> microphone. 976 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:07,480 >> Can I get one of those little 977 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:08,040 >> Yeah. 978 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:09,912 >> I did look at your 979 00:33:09,912 --> 00:33:10,440 >> [laughter] 980 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,520 >> that you did send out. One of the things 981 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,800 that they that they really talked about, 982 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,360 um, 983 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,800 was how like for first-time owners, I 984 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,800 mean, we've really priced a lot of that 985 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,080 out of this little town for people to 986 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,280 even have a chance, but their solution 987 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:27,880 is to be able to have, you know, while 988 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,280 they're building their home or something 989 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,160 to plan on having that as extra income, 990 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:32,880 so then they can qualify for that amount 991 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,400 of money that they have to to get a 992 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:36,120 >> Sure. 993 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:37,920 >> So, I'm like, well, of course I have a 994 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:39,400 soft heart for that, you know, when you 995 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,840 have kids, but at the same time, 996 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,920 we're really and we need younger people 997 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,160 moving in and stuff, so I like that, 998 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,960 but I also if you That's just turning it 999 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:51,560 into the stuff that's been a problem 1000 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,480 with the rental properties. 1001 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,560 So, I when you own something, you take 1002 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,080 better care of it. There's just There's 1003 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,640 just like not judgy, that's just 1004 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,120 something if you 1005 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:03,440 look into 1006 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:04,360 behavioral science. 1007 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:05,040 >> I think I think that's 1008 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,080 >> the value of having an owner-occupied. 1009 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:07,560 >> Yeah. 1010 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,200 >> Even on the main property or or the 1011 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:10,600 other property. 1012 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,280 >> But but if they're I mean, 1013 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,800 that could very easily be abused 1014 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,879 as far as like even the owner going, "Oh 1015 00:34:16,879 --> 00:34:21,360 my gosh, what if you know, and it just just taking care of it or 1016 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,440 >> But we don't we don't have a choice. We 1017 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,080 can't we can't say we don't want them. 1018 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:26,280 >> Yeah, I don't 1019 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:27,280 >> That ship has sailed. 1020 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,040 >> I don't I don't think this ordinance 1021 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:30,840 >> You're so hard on 1022 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,840 >> is helping 1023 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,919 It's helping young people 1024 00:34:34,919 --> 00:34:35,919 >> on things we don't have any control 1025 00:34:35,919 --> 00:34:36,760 over. 1026 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,639 >> I know it. Yeah. I don't think this 1027 00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:40,960 ordinance is helping young people buy. I 1028 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,200 think it's helping 1029 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,360 entrenched people either allow their 1030 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,840 children to live with them because or 1031 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,800 their parents 1032 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,360 or maximize their income. 1033 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,919 >> Maybe it's flipped. The parents have a 1034 00:34:55,919 --> 00:34:56,800 space and they 1035 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:57,480 can have a 1036 00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,760 >> think we look I think there's other ways 1037 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,440 to encourage younger people into the 1038 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,520 town and owning. 1039 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,600 I think this is 1040 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,720 not. This is 1041 00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:11,400 >> people It's letting older people stay. I 1042 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,280 had one person call me today and cuz 1043 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:14,560 they apparently knew this was going to 1044 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:15,680 be on and 1045 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:16,880 said 1046 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,640 right now a family member's living in 1047 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,680 the basement. She said he plays his 1048 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,640 music loud. I don't want him in my 1049 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,640 basement. I want to stick him as close 1050 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,809 to my neighbor's house as possible. 1051 00:35:26,809 --> 00:35:27,400 >> [laughter] 1052 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,120 >> And ruin his life. 1053 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:29,960 >> At least they're owning. 1054 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,080 >> Exact quote. 1055 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:32,440 >> Okay, there's the there's the intent 1056 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:33,120 right there. 1057 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:34,400 >> Rock [laughter] band out of the 1058 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:35,320 basement. 1059 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:35,880 >> I love it. 1060 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,240 >> So are there are there are Can you any 1061 00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:39,720 of you think of 1062 00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:42,600 any alternatives besides the come up 1063 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,800 with a set amount or to have staff come 1064 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,080 up with a a ratio? Is there any other 1065 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,320 options between those two? 1066 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,160 I I I I do think we ought to pick one of 1067 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,360 those two or another one instead of not 1068 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,560 having it specified. I think 1069 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:01,840 >> Even though I brought I brought I 1070 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,680 brought the issue up, I I'm happy with 1071 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,080 1,200 ft as a standard. It It just kind 1072 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:08,840 of moderates 1073 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,160 people going crazy. 1074 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:12,880 >> The one ex- The one thing I was thinking 1075 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,280 there on though however is 1076 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:15,480 >> [snorts] 1077 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,360 >> how many exceptions people you know, how 1078 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,600 many people are going to come in and go 1079 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,160 I want Is there any way I can get 1,300? 1080 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:24,960 Is there any way I can get 1,400? I have 1081 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,560 a 2 and 1/2 acre lot. Can I just have a 1082 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:29,800 1,400? 1083 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:30,440 >> No. 1084 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:30,680 >> Okay. 1085 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,310 >> No, I think the ratio will look good. 1086 00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:32,840 [laughter] 1087 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,040 >> And and that's fine. 1088 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,120 >> Yeah, now we There's no 1089 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,040 >> the ratio would lead to that more. 1090 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:39,480 >> I mean, in the ordinance we would write 1091 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,840 exception criteria, but let's not write 1092 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,760 any exception criteria. We'll do 1093 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,160 Yeah, I'm the one that said ratio and 1094 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:47,880 land based off John's comment and 1095 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:48,560 >> I know. 1096 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,360 >> I discussed it. I actually like 1097 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,040 keeping it at ADU and smaller than 1098 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:53,600 >> Yeah. 1099 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:54,880 >> And if somebody has 5 acres, they'll 1100 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:55,600 subdivide it. 1101 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:56,240 >> Yeah. 1102 00:36:56,240 --> 00:36:57,920 >> They They need to move to a ranch. 1103 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,000 >> Yeah. Can I add one thing? 1104 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,240 >> So, like um 1105 00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:04,600 you know, do some of the big houses with 1106 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,880 big lots, do they have ADUs on them now? I mean, 1107 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,560 some, right? Do they not? 1108 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:11,600 >> Not detached. 1109 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:12,960 >> Only if they're over 5. 1110 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,640 >> If they're over 5. 1111 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,040 >> Yeah, I remember that. Yeah. Well, cuz 1112 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:17,920 he has one, 1113 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:18,720 >> right? 1114 00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:20,780 >> recommended approval. City Council 1115 00:37:20,780 --> 00:37:21,840 [clears throat] denied it. 1116 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:22,280 >> Yeah. 1117 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,240 yeah. I I was going to That's what 1118 00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:25,080 That was my comment. 1119 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:26,320 >> He said, "Don't we feel stupid now?" 1120 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,240 >> He said, "He's okay." [laughter] 1121 00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:30,800 >> Yeah. 1122 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,000 >> And and the way around it, it was just 1123 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,480 to attach it, right? You know, to 1124 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:36,920 >> Yeah. Yeah, so he was just going to 1125 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:38,400 attach it. 1126 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,440 >> easement roof thing, you know. 1127 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:41,741 >> I I think they fixed that, too. 1128 00:37:41,741 --> 00:37:42,600 >> [clears throat] 1129 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,200 >> City Council just shut him down. 1130 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:45,800 >> Well, 1131 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,920 >> can I add one thing to kind of consider 1132 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,240 as well? Something I was thinking about. 1133 00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:52,880 We see all these stuff, all these plans 1134 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,240 come in. 1135 00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:55,920 Um and I I just thought of this one 1136 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,160 thing. Someone builds a four-car garage, 1137 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,360 it's 2,000 square feet. "Oh, I'm going 1138 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,440 to put an accessory above it that's only 1139 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,440 1,200 square feet." 1140 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:06,920 >> Yeah. 1141 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,440 >> When it ends up being 1142 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,640 the whole 2,000 square feet, and it 1143 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:12,720 would. 1144 00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:13,840 So, 1145 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,560 right now we don't have anything in 1146 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:20,360 there for Right. For garage size. 1147 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,000 Maybe there's a limit on garage size 1148 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,000 that's part of the ADU. Just something 1149 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:25,880 else I thought of. 1150 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:27,040 >> Yeah, that's that's what I was 1151 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,280 >> have a 1,200 for living space, but you 1152 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:30,640 also have a 1153 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:31,200 >> 1,200 1154 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:32,880 >> square footage. It kind of goes to what 1155 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,120 we talked about the school. I can't 1156 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,480 remember the exact technical term. 1157 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:37,720 But it didn't have the requirements 1158 00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:40,640 relative to space something or other. 1159 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:41,520 >> Bulk and massing. 1160 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:42,400 >> Yes, bulk and massing. 1161 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:43,920 >> So you have kind of a bulk and massing 1162 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,600 for square footage. 1163 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,040 >> For a five-car garage. 1164 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,000 >> I mean, I've done that at I've got 1165 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,520 property up in Fish Haven, Idaho, and I 1166 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:54,600 have a 1167 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,760 big garage for all the toys. 1168 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:57,240 >> Right. 1169 00:38:57,240 --> 00:39:00,400 >> I've got a 2,000 square foot above it. 1170 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:01,360 And 1171 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:02,640 yeah. 1172 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:03,880 >> Well, there's I know there's some 1173 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,680 >> Which would be allowed under our current 1174 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:06,200 ordinance. 1175 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:07,400 >> Yes. 1176 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,280 >> There's like some pool pool houses and 1177 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:10,680 stuff, right? Cuz I mean, it went to 1178 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,520 some parade homes, and I know there's 1179 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,000 pool houses. 1180 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,480 They're pretty darn big, you know, with 1181 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,360 bedrooms and bathrooms and whatever, and 1182 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:20,920 so I know there's some that exist, 1183 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:22,120 right? Maybe they're not I don't know. 1184 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:23,120 Maybe they're 1185 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:24,800 under a different umbrella or something, 1186 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,470 but 1187 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,040 » Okay, what's different then? Do you 1188 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,680 remember that darling couple that came 1189 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,480 from the Midwest, and they were all 1190 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,120 dressed in their Sunday best, and they 1191 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,120 brought a PowerPoint to talk about that 1192 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:37,440 older couple? 1193 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:38,720 You guys weren't here. They were going 1194 00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:40,952 to rezone to they had an acre 1195 00:39:40,952 --> 00:39:42,600 [clears throat] lot in the in in this 1196 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:43,600 beautiful neighborhood that's 1197 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,680 established with all acre lots, and they 1198 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,440 said this the older couple said, "Would 1199 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,520 you want to build in the back of, you 1200 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,080 know, on this second this half of the 1201 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:53,440 other half acre?" 1202 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:53,680 >> Yeah. 1203 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,280 >> And we had a public hearing, and people 1204 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,160 were like ruthless to them. Like, "We 1205 00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,120 don't change code. Zoning's too hard." 1206 00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:00,720 And we knew as a commission we probably 1207 00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:02,520 wouldn't be able to do it. And remember 1208 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,760 how people were very mean about that? 1209 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:05,240 >> Yep. 1210 00:40:05,240 --> 00:40:06,560 >> And then what then everybody else is 1211 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,000 going to want to put another home. So to 1212 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,240 me, it's just the same thing, only we 1213 00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:11,000 have to do it. 1214 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:11,280 >> Yeah. 1215 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:12,080 >> So I mean, 1216 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:13,280 >> split ownership, though. 1217 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,280 >> But no, but that's true. That's the 1218 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,000 difference, so we changed the ownership. 1219 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,680 Because otherwise, you know, this is 1220 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,840 just you're just and it happened without 1221 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,110 rezoning. 1222 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:25,960 >> Yeah. 1223 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:26,240 >> Okay. 1224 00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:27,640 >> They had to be they probably 1225 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:31,360 >> Any other comments? 1226 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,360 We did this will come back to us. 1227 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,040 >> like the 1,200 square feet and just make 1228 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:36,760 it simple? 1229 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:37,640 >> I That's for now. 1230 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,880 >> I mean, we want to address 1231 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,800 I was I was garage at sizing issue, bulk 1232 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,120 and massing issue. 1233 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,000 >> Is that going to be managed by this 1234 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,600 current ordinances with offsets and 1235 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,800 stuff, do you think? 1236 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,280 >> That's a good question. I think it's a 1237 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:51,360 current 1238 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,560 uh debate among among people. Council 1239 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:54,680 members are talking about bulk and 1240 00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:58,230 massing. Um 1241 00:40:58,240 --> 00:40:59,800 you know, like John was saying, our 1242 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,760 current ordinance allows for certain 1243 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,520 things and doesn't allow for others. And 1244 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,240 so, if someone puts a 1,200 square foot 1245 00:41:05,240 --> 00:41:08,280 ADU inside a garage they already have, 1246 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:09,600 which is allowed by ordinance, I don't 1247 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,200 know how much it affects. 1248 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:13,160 >> Um 1249 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:14,400 >> Well, you know, that's what's currently 1250 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:15,040 going on. 1251 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:16,400 >> I guess [clears throat] the other point 1252 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,160 on the 1,200, I'm I'm totally good if 1253 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,640 that's what we want to put forward. And 1254 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,000 then we can just see, you know. We may 1255 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,640 end up modifying the code in future 1256 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,560 years. 1257 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,680 >> So, if we can get through and we get 1258 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:31,720 public feedback on it. 1259 00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:34,240 >> Yeah. Yeah, we will get public feedback. 1260 00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:36,880 So, cuz this will go Yeah, we'll get 1261 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:38,320 public 1262 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:39,240 uh here. 1263 00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:40,040 >> It'll be a good one. 1264 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:41,160 >> A lot of feedback. 1265 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:42,600 >> Can you tell me what what meeting that's 1266 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:43,120 going to be on? 1267 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,590 >> I'm I'm already going to be out. 1268 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,200 » So, can I ask a question? 1269 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:49,600 >> Sure, Marla. 1270 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,120 >> There was a section in there that said 1271 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:52,880 some people already have existing 1272 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,080 garages, and I get a lot of calls about 1273 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,360 people wanting to convert those. What 1274 00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,159 happens when those are already over 12 1275 00:41:59,159 --> 00:42:00,160 [snorts] square feet? 1276 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:01,800 >> Yep, that's a good question. 1277 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,960 >> Yeah. And they're the perfect spot, they 1278 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,560 meet the setbacks, they meet I mean, 1279 00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,400 it's the perfect little place to put 1280 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,000 their kids or grandma. 1281 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,440 >> Yeah, so to me 1282 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:12,560 >> That's going to come back to be your 1283 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,560 exception you're talking about. 1284 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,520 >> So to me 1285 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,360 it might be a an issue of a 1286 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,760 grandfathered in type thing as long as 1287 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:22,800 it 1288 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,520 complies with this, you know, if we're 1289 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,800 going to the setbacks and the bulk and 1290 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,640 massing and every, you know, 1291 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,000 so 1292 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:33,720 yeah. 1293 00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:35,000 >> If it's existing, it's already going to 1294 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:35,680 be compliant. 1295 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:36,880 >> Yeah, that's true. 1296 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:38,960 >> If it's not compliant, then I would say 1297 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,080 that we wouldn't consider that anyway. 1298 00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:41,880 >> Correct. 1299 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:42,360 >> Yeah. 1300 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,880 >> So that that's that would be one option, 1301 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,600 Marla, is just to put in code, 1302 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:53,640 you know, an exception piece in 3.14030 1303 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:58,000 that existing 1304 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,240 buildings 1305 00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:00,720 you know, 1306 00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:02,960 >> being converted into an ADU 1307 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:04,960 >> could be converted 1308 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,400 but 1309 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:07,920 >> with planning commission and city 1310 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:09,680 council approval. 1311 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:10,480 >> Yeah. 1312 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,480 >> We've got some garages out there that 1313 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,040 are 1314 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:15,160 pretty large. 1315 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:15,720 >> Yeah. 1316 00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:17,120 >> you were to convert the whole 1317 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:18,560 >> But they would lose 1318 00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,320 the whole purpose of those garages. 1319 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:21,840 >> Mhm. 1320 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,160 Yeah, and I don't think too many of them 1321 00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:24,480 would actually be converted. 1322 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:25,360 >> Right. 1323 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:25,840 >> Yeah. 1324 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:27,640 >> And they're doing it anyway. 1325 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:28,760 >> Yeah, and they're doing it anyway. 1326 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,200 >> Yeah, exactly. 1327 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:32,560 >> Yeah, and I think if a permit came in 1328 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,440 for an ADU and an existing garage, I 1329 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,120 mean, we'd we would obviously verify 1330 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:37,680 that it meets the square foot 1331 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,280 requirement of the living space that 1332 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:40,280 they're putting in. 1333 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:40,640 >> Okay. 1334 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,960 >> So they wouldn't be able to occupy the 1335 00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:44,520 entire garage anyway. 1336 00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:44,760 >> Yeah. 1337 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,520 >> One thing I'll note, too, I realize that 1338 00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,280 we didn't 1339 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,920 >> Is that what you're saying? Only 600 1340 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:52,680 1,200 could be living and the rest could 1341 00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:53,120 be a 1342 00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,320 >> Right. Right. Yeah. 1343 00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,000 One thing I'll note, too, I I realize 1344 00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,680 that we don't have an explicit height 1345 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,520 requirement in this code. Um so it's 1346 00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,000 just implied that it also meets the 1347 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,400 accessory building height, um but I 1348 00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,080 think we'll we'll want to put that in as 1349 00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:09,480 well. 1350 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,360 >> I I agree. I agree. 1351 00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,680 >> So, it's in that next section that we're 1352 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:14,600 talking about. 1353 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,360 >> It's in the 1354 00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,080 Yeah, it's in this section. It'll be 1355 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,520 probably one of you know, instead of 10, 1356 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,640 it'll be 11. 1357 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:28,590 >> items 1358 00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:29,160 » Yeah. 1359 00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,360 >> next section's 27 ft except for pool 1360 00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,160 houses or something. 1361 00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:34,600 So, are we adding that to XY or are we 1362 00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,280 keeping that number or 1363 00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:38,960 coming up with a new one? 1364 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,040 >> So, yeah. So, I would say, if I'm 1365 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:42,800 understanding what you're asking, so it 1366 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,240 would be the 20-ft requirement. Yeah. 1367 00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:49,400 And then, if it's set back an extra 20 1368 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,600 ft, it could be 10 up to 10 ft higher. 1369 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,320 So, it could be get up to 30 ft tall. 1370 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:55,720 Um, 1371 00:44:55,720 --> 00:44:57,360 that's what our current accessory 1372 00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,640 building height is. So, I think that's 1373 00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:00,840 what we would want to match unless the 1374 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:02,840 commission has any other suggestions for 1375 00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:03,280 that. 1376 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:04,400 >> I agree. 1377 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,310 Yeah, I'm fine. 1378 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,720 >> Okay. 1379 00:45:09,720 --> 00:45:11,440 Thanks, Kayden. 1380 00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,160 >> Okay. 1381 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,280 Well, this is This is great. Thanks for 1382 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:16,120 all the feedback. 1383 00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,840 >> Sorry, one So, if if the home was a 1384 00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,640 rambler 1385 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,760 and the accessory dwelling unit could be 1386 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,960 30 ft even though the home is only 20 1387 00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,640 ft, you can still be large taller than 1388 00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:28,040 the home. 1389 00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,480 >> Yeah. Yeah. Homeowners can currently 1390 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:31,880 have an accessory building that's taller 1391 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,920 than their than their home. Um, but it would have to again, it would have to 1392 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,360 be 20 ft extra set back to get that 1393 00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:39,760 extra 10 ft of height. 1394 00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:40,520 >> from the side 1395 00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,080 >> From the property lines, yeah. 1396 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,280 >> front property line and the side 1397 00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,480 >> From and the rear. Yeah. 1398 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:53,350 >> All of them. 1399 00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,480 Oh, yeah. Uh, so, Jason's just asking is 1400 00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,120 there a limit to putting this in the 1401 00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,240 front? Um, the code doesn't explicit 1402 00:45:59,240 --> 00:46:01,040 explicitly say it, but again, it it says 1403 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:02,560 that needs to meet the setback 1404 00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,680 requirements of the of accessory 1405 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,840 buildings in the zone. And that 1406 00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,520 currently is 40 ft from the front 1407 00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:09,120 property line. 1408 00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:09,880 >> Right. Yeah. 1409 00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,040 >> And and the main dwelling is 30, so it's 1410 00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,360 10 ft behind the main dwelling at least. 1411 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:15,080 Yeah. 1412 00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,440 >> Yeah, that makes sense. So, do we want 1413 00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:18,240 to 1414 00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:20,000 specify 1415 00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,560 the in the in the code like all of the 1416 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,960 setbacks? 1417 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:26,480 >> We could. Yeah, I mean that's that's 1418 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:27,920 what we're here discussing just to see 1419 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,200 what you guys all think. 1420 00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,520 >> Yeah. Just make a reference or or make a 1421 00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:32,640 reference. 1422 00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:33,320 >> Yeah. 1423 00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:33,680 >> Okay. 1424 00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:35,600 >> We could we could reference it. Yeah. 1425 00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,840 >> Yeah, you could just add an item and say 1426 00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:40,600 must comply with set setback 1427 00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,840 requirements in code 3.0 blah blah. 1428 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,920 >> Yeah, and we would just have to choose 1429 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:47,320 one of the set because it's funny our 1430 00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,240 the way our code's written every zone 1431 00:46:49,240 --> 00:46:50,840 has the accessory building setbacks in 1432 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:51,040 them. 1433 00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:51,600 >> Yeah. 1434 00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,960 >> Most codes are just one code section is 1435 00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:55,200 all about accessory. 1436 00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:55,400 >> Yeah. 1437 00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,120 >> Ours every zone has it, so we'll just 1438 00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:58,600 have to choose one of those I guess and 1439 00:46:58,600 --> 00:46:59,480 reference it that way. 1440 00:46:59,480 --> 00:46:59,920 >> Okay. 1441 00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:00,120 >> Yeah. 1442 00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:01,440 >> So, I don't want to make this last too 1443 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,600 long. Do you change the setbacks 1444 00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,520 on now knowing now that it's not going 1445 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,400 to be like a pool pump or a tough shed, 1446 00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,240 it's going to be a 1,200 square foot 1447 00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:15,240 Do you change your setbacks knowing that 1448 00:47:15,240 --> 00:47:16,680 somebody's going to stick it as far to 1449 00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:18,680 their neighbors as possible and it's not 1450 00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,320 going to be a chicken coop or a 10 by 10 1451 00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,240 shed, it's going to be a 1452 00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:24,920 >> 30 ft 1453 00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,200 >> Yeah, it has 30 30 ft. 1454 00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:27,760 >> 20 ft 1455 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:28,880 >> 30 ft 1456 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:29,320 >> I just 1457 00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:30,000 >> have something 30 1458 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:30,760 >> I know we don't want to make a 1459 00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,880 concession, but if somebody puts a 30 ft 1460 00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,840 tall building 5 ft 1461 00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:35,920 >> No, 30 ft. 1462 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:36,360 >> 10 ft 1463 00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:37,840 >> 30 30 ft 1464 00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:39,880 >> height requirement is 20 ft and it has 1465 00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,400 to be depending on the zone, the most 1466 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,440 common zone is obviously the CR 20,000, 1467 00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:45,960 so that would have to be 10 ft from the 1468 00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,560 side and 15 from the rear. 1469 00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,120 If they want to go any higher than 20 ft 1470 00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:51,960 tall, they have to be an extra 20 ft 1471 00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:53,520 away from the property lines. 1472 00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:54,400 >> All right. 1473 00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:55,360 >> So, you're 1474 00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:56,320 >> They already kind of do it. 1475 00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:56,920 >> Or they can yeah. 1476 00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:57,880 >> You're far away. 1477 00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:59,520 >> They currently do it. 1478 00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:00,440 >> Yeah. 1479 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:01,480 >> I'm just thinking what they're putting 1480 00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:02,840 there now is different than what's going 1481 00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:03,800 to be put there. 1482 00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:05,320 >> But, we'll have an open session and 1483 00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:05,840 >> Yeah. 1484 00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:06,480 >> It'll 1485 00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:07,400 >> But, it's a way off. 1486 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,320 >> Yeah. 1487 00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:10,800 >> We don't want to ruin your track record 1488 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,440 of fast meetings. 1489 00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,800 >> It's okay. 1490 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:19,830 >> Hey, next item. 1491 00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:21,880 » Okay, let's go to the action item today. 1492 00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,320 So, this is just some amendments to the 1493 00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,520 development code that we've been looking 1494 00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:27,760 at for 1495 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,200 a while now, I think since I got here. 1496 00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:30,520 There's some of them that we've we've 1497 00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:32,280 noticed. Um 1498 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:33,880 and 1499 00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:35,880 I don't know if I I'm just not reading 1500 00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,280 state code correctly or some of them or 1501 00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,400 how Ryan did it in the past, but from 1502 00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,720 what I've understood, even for clerical 1503 00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:45,760 updates, we do need to have a a public 1504 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:47,480 hearing and and bring this to you guys. 1505 00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:48,600 So, 1506 00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,520 Okay. So, he did do that. Okay. 1507 00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,040 Um I think Don was saying to me that 1508 00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,040 sometimes he wouldn't, but maybe Don 1509 00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:55,743 doesn't know. 1510 00:48:55,743 --> 00:48:56,560 >> [laughter] 1511 00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,040 >> Anyway. Okay, so let's look at the first 1512 00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,080 one. So, this is just a conglomerate of 1513 00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:02,640 different code sections that needed some 1514 00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,200 updates, 1515 00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,120 um either substantially or just 1516 00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,160 clerically. 1517 00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,400 Um and I I tried to put them all in 1518 00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:11,880 order, but the way that the word 1519 00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:13,760 document was functioning was really hard 1520 00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,720 to kind of reorganize these. So, they 1521 00:49:15,720 --> 00:49:17,720 are kind of sporadic, um but I 1522 00:49:17,720 --> 00:49:19,880 definitely will reference every code 1523 00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:21,440 section as we talk about it. So, this 1524 00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,600 one This first one is just the building 1525 00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,880 permits code in 301060. 1526 00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:27,480 All we had to do was eliminate this 1527 00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,360 random G that's currently existing in 1528 00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,560 our code and shift all these up. 1529 00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:37,390 So, that's what that one is. 1530 00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:38,800 Part four. 1531 00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:40,939 Yeah, that one that one's good. 1532 00:49:40,939 --> 00:49:42,040 >> [laughter] 1533 00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:48,590 >> Um 307 A, uh site design, 1534 00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,640 uh just has 1535 00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,520 this paragraph in an awkward spot. 1536 00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,040 Um it doesn't relate to the setbacks or 1537 00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:57,400 anything, so we just took it out of that 1538 00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:58,880 spot and brought it down here and 1539 00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,240 numbered it number five. 1540 00:50:01,240 --> 00:50:03,640 Um 3023060. 1541 00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,160 Okay, so this one's a substantial code 1542 00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,560 change and uh does require your approval 1543 00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,600 of this. Um so this is about home 1544 00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:12,280 occupations. 1545 00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,240 So, we've gotten quite a few home 1546 00:50:14,240 --> 00:50:16,440 occupations since I've been here uh for 1547 00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,120 different things. Most of them just, you 1548 00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:19,720 know, home offices or whatever it might 1549 00:50:19,720 --> 00:50:20,760 be. 1550 00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,800 Um but there was one that 1551 00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,280 uh a lady was baking goods and leaving 1552 00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:28,720 them on her porch and people were coming 1553 00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:32,320 by and picking them up. According to our current code, if 1554 00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:33,800 someone does that, they need to come get 1555 00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,840 approval from you as the body, the 1556 00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:36,640 planning commission. 1557 00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,240 >> approved one like that. 1558 00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:39,520 >> Okay. 1559 00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,440 And so to me, um 1560 00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,080 and that's right here in uh 1561 00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,280 Roman numeral 17 here, it says no 1562 00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:47,480 customers or clients will visit the 1563 00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:48,640 property in connection with the home 1564 00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,000 occupation. 1565 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,840 So, um 1566 00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,120 to as as we reflected on this, it seemed 1567 00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:55,480 like it might be a little bit too 1568 00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,560 restrictive um for people that want to 1569 00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,240 do something like that or just have 1570 00:50:59,240 --> 00:51:00,880 people coming over for piano lessons or 1571 00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:02,400 something like that. Why would they have 1572 00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:03,360 to 1573 00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:04,640 come to the planning commission for 1574 00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,280 approval on that? Um so we added this 1575 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,080 code that only a limited number of 1576 00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:10,760 customers or clients may visit the 1577 00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:12,200 property in connection with the home 1578 00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,080 occupation, provided such visits take 1579 00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,520 place during regular business hours, 1580 00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:17,760 remain incidental to the residential 1581 00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,200 character of the dwelling, and do not 1582 00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:20,520 create impacts beyond those normally 1583 00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,840 associated with residential use. 1584 00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:23,880 Um 1585 00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,440 so, kind of as we considered again, we 1586 00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:27,920 just felt like this might be a little 1587 00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:29,320 bit more 1588 00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:30,160 uh 1589 00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:31,960 open to to property owners that are 1590 00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:33,160 trying to just do a basic home 1591 00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,120 occupation uh without um you know, 1592 00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,560 creating impact, but uh allowing them to 1593 00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,280 avoid coming to a public meeting for 1594 00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,560 that. Um so, I'd be interested in your 1595 00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,000 feedback. I think since we have so many, 1596 00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:47,320 maybe it'd be good to just talk about 1597 00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,880 this right now and see if what the 1598 00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:51,280 commissioners think about that. 1599 00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:55,040 >> Well, if I remember right, with the 1600 00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,520 Baker person, that ended up being like a 1601 00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,000 conditional use, right? 1602 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,800 >> Mhm. 1603 00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:06,640 >> So, with with with this language, I guess 1604 00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:10,040 you're trying to make it easy 1605 00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,520 and avoid 1606 00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:14,240 people having to come in for a 1607 00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:16,880 conditional use permit. 1608 00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:17,920 >> So, 1609 00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:19,760 >> home occupations are always conditional 1610 00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,080 use permits. This is the conditional use 1611 00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:23,200 permit code, yeah. 1612 00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:24,560 >> This doesn't require planning commission 1613 00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:25,280 involvement. 1614 00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:26,080 >> Right. 1615 00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:26,760 >> Okay. 1616 00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:27,400 >> Yeah. 1617 00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,360 >> And then like we had to decide how many 1618 00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,720 come that day, how to spread them out, 1619 00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:34,400 what time they should bring. Would you 1620 00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,200 do that after they would just meet with 1621 00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:38,600 you instead? 1622 00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:39,960 >> Right. 1623 00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,760 >> how you're going to limit 1624 00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:44,560 >> Correct. Yeah, the staff would be able 1625 00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,440 to handle that with each applicant that 1626 00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:47,320 applies for that. 1627 00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:48,120 >> I vote yay. 1628 00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:50,236 on that, too. 1629 00:52:50,236 --> 00:52:52,790 >> [laughter] 1630 00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:54,000 » Well, like I said, most of the ones 1631 00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:55,480 we've received I've seen so far have 1632 00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,320 been very basic, and so I just I get 1633 00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,840 nervous when they apply and they say how 1634 00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:01,840 many people are coming to your house, 1635 00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:02,880 like three. 1636 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:03,360 >> Yeah. 1637 00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:04,640 >> And I go, "Great. According to our code, 1638 00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:05,720 that requires the planning commission 1639 00:53:05,720 --> 00:53:07,040 sign off." That's like, "That doesn't 1640 00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:07,800 make any sense." 1641 00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,200 >> how it was with the Baker. You know, she 1642 00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:11,600 came and 1643 00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:12,440 we're like, 1644 00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:13,680 >> Just selling lessons? 1645 00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:14,920 >> You know, we're like, "You could have 1646 00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:16,040 brought You could have brought some 1647 00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:16,960 bread." 1648 00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:17,746 >> Yeah. 1649 00:53:17,746 --> 00:53:18,040 >> [laughter] 1650 00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:19,160 >> And we we wouldn't 1651 00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:20,000 >> make us happy. 1652 00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,440 >> We wouldn't even had the discussion. 1653 00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:28,720 >> Yeah. 1654 00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:32,680 >> Okay. I mean, I'm I'm totally good with 1655 00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:34,480 that. I mean, I guess we have to approve 1656 00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,120 these changes, so 1657 00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,480 I mean, while we're on this, 1658 00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:43,070 Sue, do you have any comments on three? 1659 00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,000 Greg? 1660 00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:46,720 >> John 1661 00:53:46,720 --> 00:53:48,600 Michelle, Troy 1662 00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:49,240 >> I think so. 1663 00:53:49,240 --> 00:53:49,680 >> Okay. 1664 00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:51,152 >> Can we have thank you? 1665 00:53:51,152 --> 00:53:51,807 >> [snorts] 1666 00:53:51,807 --> 00:53:53,200 [laughter] 1667 00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:53,720 >> Okay. 1668 00:53:53,720 --> 00:53:54,320 >> Thank you, Kate. 1669 00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,160 >> Yes. 1670 00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:57,440 Yeah, and our goal was to just word that 1671 00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,800 well enough that like it makes sense for 1672 00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,120 staff to evaluate it. Um, 1673 00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:03,240 and if [snorts] there is anything that 1674 00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:04,760 we might have questions on, obviously 1675 00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:06,040 the code does allow us to bring it to 1676 00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,000 you as well, so you can you can take on 1677 00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:09,240 the harder cases. 1678 00:54:09,240 --> 00:54:11,040 >> You might want to just grab a policy or 1679 00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:12,880 some kind of 1680 00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:14,440 matrix you can look at so that it's 1681 00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,080 consistent, right? So, you've done a 1682 00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,560 good job of limited number 1683 00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,200 of regular business hours. What is that? 1684 00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:21,680 I mean, just you might want to have 1685 00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,440 something so that 1686 00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,480 people don't hate you or love you if you 1687 00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:26,760 treat one person different than the 1688 00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:27,120 other. 1689 00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:28,760 >> Yeah. That's a good point. 1690 00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:30,120 >> Yeah, that's all right. 1691 00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,880 Regular business hours are 8:00 to 6:00, 1692 00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:33,520 and 1693 00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:34,160 >> of equity 1694 00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:37,360 >> limited number is less than 10 a day or 1695 00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:38,880 whatever you come up with just so that 1696 00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:40,480 you don't get 1697 00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,400 or people hating you or making your life 1698 00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:43,200 miserable. 1699 00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,172 >> That's a good point. Thanks, Greg. 1700 00:54:46,172 --> 00:54:46,560 >> [clears throat] 1701 00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:48,400 >> Okay. 1702 00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,400 Oh, and so this is just the same 1703 00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,360 conditional use code 323 is just 1704 00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,760 updating that box. So, instead of just 1705 00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,160 saying part two, we're adding on and 1706 00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:00,520 that meet the five criteria in the DCA 1707 00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,320 323060 part two number 17. 1708 00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:03,920 >> Great. 1709 00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:05,280 >> So, and that will be the land use 1710 00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:06,800 authority city staff for that case. 1711 00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:08,240 >> Great. 1712 00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:10,360 >> Okay. And then, um, 1713 00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:11,720 I think this is just another clerical 1714 00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:13,000 one. 1715 00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:14,560 Yeah, so this was just up in this 1716 00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:16,280 paragraph for some reason, so we just 1717 00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:18,160 moved that down there. We renumbered 1718 00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:19,800 those two. 1719 00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:21,560 Ensure, just trying to spell things 1720 00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:22,960 right here. 1721 00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:23,760 Um, 1722 00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,800 eliminate uh, capital letter plat for 1723 00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,240 405040. 1724 00:55:29,240 --> 00:55:31,520 406020 1725 00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:32,080 uh, 1726 00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,040 right here. It's not in green, but it 1727 00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:35,360 should be part six according to our 1728 00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:36,840 subdivision 1729 00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:38,040 um, 1730 00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,840 code instead of part five. 1731 00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,760 Okay, and then 302070, 1732 00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:45,800 um just changing the word than to that. 1733 00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:47,080 I think that makes more sense in the 1734 00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,720 flow of the sentence there. 1735 00:55:49,720 --> 00:55:52,920 Um okay, and then adding a definition uh 1736 00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,600 for minor subdivision since we do have a 1737 00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:59,240 entire code dedicated to to subdivision 1738 00:55:59,240 --> 00:56:01,280 developments of three lots or fewer, I 1739 00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,560 figured it would be prudent to have a 1740 00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,160 definition for minor subdivision. Just 1741 00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:07,760 add that in there. 1742 00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:08,760 Um 1743 00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:12,640 3 uh 10 0 10 0 or 0 10, uh just add the 1744 00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,920 word of there just to make it flow. 1745 00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:16,640 >> So, why did you put the minor 1746 00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,240 subdivision there? 1747 00:56:19,240 --> 00:56:21,240 >> Oh, this is Sorry, these are separate. 1748 00:56:21,240 --> 00:56:22,680 It's just all kind of pushed together, 1749 00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,120 but yeah, this is in the 301110 1750 00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:25,920 definition. 1751 00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,000 >> it's further down, I guess, that you 1752 00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:30,320 were going to talk about minor 1753 00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,400 subdivisions. 1754 00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,600 >> Uh 1755 00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:36,440 I think maybe. I don't remember. But no, 1756 00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,920 sorry, this is just here because it's uh 1757 00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,680 it's just another thing we're adding in. 1758 00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:43,280 >> Okay. I was just curious why it's not 1759 00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:44,320 >> together here. I should have added more 1760 00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:44,960 space. 1761 00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:46,640 >> Why it's not under the 1762 00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,680 Why why is that why is there 1763 00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,920 Why why the why why are we defining a 1764 00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:54,554 definition 1765 00:56:54,554 --> 00:56:54,880 >> [snorts] 1766 00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:55,760 >> in the middle of the 1767 00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:57,920 >> I don't I think So, a lot of these I 1768 00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,040 think I put together as the issues came 1769 00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:00,760 up. 1770 00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:01,560 >> Okay. 1771 00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,800 >> And so, I I probably just threw it in 1772 00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:05,520 there once we realized we needed it as 1773 00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:06,520 well. 1774 00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:07,760 So, sorry. It's Yeah, it's probably an 1775 00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:09,440 awkward location, but it's just showing 1776 00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:09,600 you 1777 00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,200 >> cuz where where are we referencing minor 1778 00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,560 subdivision? 1779 00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:17,600 >> So, just in the definition section. 1780 00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:19,040 >> Yeah, but don't we don't we have a 1781 00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:20,920 definition section? Oh. 1782 00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:22,440 >> We do, but we don't have the definition 1783 00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:23,320 for minor subdivision. 1784 00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,240 >> Oh, okay. So, this this is just 1785 00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:26,000 >> This is going to go 1786 00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:27,600 >> into that part. 1787 00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:29,400 Yeah, sorry. Yeah, it's 1788 00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:30,320 Like I said, it's a little pushed 1789 00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:31,800 together here. It's disorganized. 1790 00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:33,080 >> Yeah, Sorry about that. 1791 00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,440 >> Yeah, no, you're good. Okay. 1792 00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:39,360 Um so, that word there and then 408-040 1793 00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:39,960 um 1794 00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:42,280 adding the definite another definition 1795 00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,480 or no, sorry. 408-040 is eliminating 1796 00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,000 this phrase by the city council 1797 00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:48,840 um because final plat approval is no 1798 00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:50,680 longer usually by the city council 1799 00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:52,480 anymore. So, just makes sense to take 1800 00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:53,160 that out. 1801 00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:53,560 >> Okay. 1802 00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:55,880 >> Um 1803 00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:57,240 adding a definition for accessory 1804 00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:58,920 structure cuz we have a definition for 1805 00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:00,320 structure, we have a definition for 1806 00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:01,560 accessory building, but we don't have a 1807 00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:03,080 definition for accessory structure and 1808 00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,880 our code is replete with that term. So, 1809 00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:07,120 figured it'd be good to have that in 1810 00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:08,120 there. 1811 00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:09,920 And this was just kind of a combination 1812 00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:11,000 of 1813 00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:12,520 the definition of structure with the 1814 00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:14,520 definition of 1815 00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:16,640 uh accessory building kind of pushed 1816 00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:18,480 together. That's what this how we got 1817 00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:19,560 this 1818 00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:20,160 uh 1819 00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,320 definition. 1820 00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:23,600 So, if there's no questions on that, 1821 00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:25,440 move on. Okay, so this is another 1822 00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,880 substantial part. So, 1823 00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,160 in each of our zones, we have the 1824 00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:31,960 customary residential accessory 1825 00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,320 structures section. 1826 00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:37,320 And uh under setbacks from main 1827 00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,520 building, talks about being 5 ft away 1828 00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,920 and that any accessory building that's 1829 00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:43,880 within 12 ft 1830 00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:45,800 uh and is connected by a common roof or 1831 00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:47,680 wall is also considered part of the main 1832 00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:49,160 building and shall meet the same 1833 00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,200 setbacks as the main building. 1834 00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,280 Um so, 1835 00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:54,880 we wanted to add in here accessory 1836 00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:56,840 buildings which are more than 12 ft away 1837 00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:58,280 from the main building whether attached 1838 00:58:58,280 --> 00:58:59,600 or not are not considered part of the 1839 00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:00,560 main building and are considered 1840 00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:02,080 detached. 1841 00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,320 Um 1842 00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:06,040 And 1843 00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,440 >> where where is that coming from? 1844 00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,600 >> So, the purpose of this 1845 00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:13,920 is to 1846 00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:15,880 we had a situation came up come up where 1847 00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:19,720 someone was trying to claim a part of 1848 00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:21,240 uh a new building they were putting in 1849 00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,440 was attached to their house, but it was 1850 00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:25,840 pretty substantially far away. 1851 00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,040 I think it was 16 ft away. 1852 00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:29,720 Uh and they had it connected through 1853 00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:31,720 like an underground 1854 00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:33,160 tunnel. 1855 00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,480 And so we 1856 00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:37,760 determined that we don't want people to 1857 00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:39,520 be able to just attach anything through 1858 00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:41,280 a breezeway, anything underground, or 1859 00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,320 something like that. And have it go on 1860 00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,200 for a long stretch. And then still be 1861 00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:47,640 able to consider that building part of 1862 00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:49,360 the main structure. 1863 00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:52,520 So we figured there should be a limit. 1864 00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:53,400 And 1865 00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:55,880 kind of our code implies here that 12 ft 1866 00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:57,440 or closer is part of the main building. 1867 00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:00,280 Anything farther than that is not. 1868 01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:01,440 Um 1869 01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,720 and in fact it kind of implies that if 1870 01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:05,440 you look right here as well. 1871 01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:07,360 Um if you want to get the exception to 1872 01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,760 an accessory building, you have to meet 1873 01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:11,560 all these nine criteria, which I'm sure 1874 01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:13,160 you're familiar with, to be like really 1875 01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:15,480 close to your property line. And the 1876 01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,320 first one is accessory structure is 1877 01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:19,560 located more than 12 ft from an existing 1878 01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:22,360 dwelling. So I think this line here kind 1879 01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:25,040 of shows that it's implying that 1880 01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,760 something farther from than 12 ft away 1881 01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:29,600 is an accessory building. 1882 01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:33,080 Um so we decided it would be better best 1883 01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:34,720 to just codify that and make sure it's 1884 01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:36,280 clear that anything farther than 12 ft 1885 01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:37,240 away 1886 01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:39,640 is not part of the main structure. 1887 01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:42,280 Um just so it's not an issue. Um we had 1888 01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,640 to work with our city attorney kind of 1889 01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:46,280 extensively on this problem that came 1890 01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:48,440 up. And it was just a hassle that 1891 01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:50,280 probably shouldn't exist. 1892 01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:51,680 So. 1893 01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:53,720 >> A tunnel, huh? 1894 01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:54,040 >> Yeah. 1895 01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:56,520 >> And the ADU? 1896 01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:57,680 It would have 1897 01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:00,160 will have to be 12 ft away 1898 01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:03,840 to be Is this all play into that? 1899 01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:06,440 >> Yeah, so this would play in as well. Um 1900 01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:07,720 obviously if you have an accessory 1901 01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:10,480 building that's less than 12 ft, but 1902 01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:12,200 it's not attached at all, it's still a 1903 01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:14,200 detached structure. Like it says here, 1904 01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,440 if it's within it can be at least within 1905 01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:17,840 5 ft. 1906 01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:19,000 So you could have a detached structure 1907 01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,000 within 5 ft. But if someone's trying to 1908 01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,200 attach it and claim it as attached, 1909 01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:23,800 >> Claim it's not attached. 1910 01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:25,760 >> then there's more regulations, right. 1911 01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:26,560 >> The main 1912 01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:27,920 >> Yes. 1913 01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:29,720 So, I think the key thing to keep in 1914 01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:32,120 mind here is there's benefit and 1915 01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:34,960 um detriment to having 1916 01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,120 an accessory, a new structure attached 1917 01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:39,360 to your structure or detached. I mean, 1918 01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:40,480 the benefit is you can have a higher 1919 01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,960 building because it meets main structure 1920 01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:43,920 height requirements. 1921 01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:44,600 >> Mhm. 1922 01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:46,360 >> If it's detached, it can be a shorter 1923 01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:47,600 setback. 1924 01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:48,720 So, it really kind of depends on the 1925 01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:50,360 property owner, but I think that's a 1926 01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:51,840 check and balance of that. If someone's 1927 01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:55,120 trying to claim a building is attached, 1928 01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:58,040 they have to meet more strict setbacks 1929 01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:00,720 and vice versa. So. 1930 01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:02,560 Um I will make a note with this, too. 1931 01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:04,760 This could be something we 1932 01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:07,070 um 1933 01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:09,200 we don't approve as part of the approval 1934 01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:11,040 today and it just 1935 01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:12,600 we we look at it a little bit further 1936 01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:15,040 because Councilmember Hannemann also was 1937 01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:16,520 looking at this 1938 01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:19,560 and so uh I wanted to bring up this cuz 1939 01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:21,280 she sent this to me. 1940 01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,840 Um this is Highland City's code for a 1941 01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:26,280 main dwelling and distances. 1942 01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:28,600 So, they say that any addition to the 1943 01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:30,800 original dwelling shall include a 1944 01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:32,920 majority or more to be attached and in 1945 01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:35,000 common with the original dwelling. 1946 01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:36,840 And the connection shall be a majority 1947 01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:38,200 of the length of the portion of the 1948 01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:41,240 addition that faces the main dwelling. 1949 01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:42,560 A lot of words there, but this is what 1950 01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:44,760 they're kind of describing is 1951 01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:46,480 if you're adding on something to your 1952 01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:49,800 structure, 50% or more of the length of 1953 01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,720 that new building has to be attached. 1954 01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:55,680 As you can see these two images. 1955 01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:57,600 And if it's not, then it's not permitted 1956 01:02:57,600 --> 01:02:59,440 and it's considered a detached building 1957 01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:01,120 or or I guess just wouldn't be permitted 1958 01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:02,880 cuz it's too close. 1959 01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:05,840 Um so, this is what Highland does and 1960 01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:07,440 she just thought we should consider it 1961 01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:08,640 as well. 1962 01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:10,560 Um 1963 01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:12,320 I think there there is some trickiness 1964 01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:17,600 with this as well. Like, for example, if the lot shape is awkward and it's 1965 01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:20,280 hard to attach a building 50% of that 1966 01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:22,680 site to your home structure, 1967 01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:24,160 it could be it could be hard to get 1968 01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:26,480 that. Like you could have everything 1969 01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:29,200 in shipshape, but only 40% works, and 1970 01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:31,080 then you just can't have that addition. 1971 01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:33,120 You would have to make it accessory. 1972 01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:35,920 Um so I think there's 1973 01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:37,280 positives and negatives to both these 1974 01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:40,120 different codes. Um 1975 01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:42,800 Here's an image too. Um so like this for 1976 01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:44,520 example would be considered detached in 1977 01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:45,680 their Highland ordinance, but would be 1978 01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:48,560 considered attached under our ordinance. 1979 01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:51,480 Yeah. Has this like breezeway structure 1980 01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:54,120 here, and it's less than 12 ft away. So 1981 01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:56,080 we would consider this building part of 1982 01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:58,160 the main structure. Highland would not 1983 01:03:58,160 --> 01:03:59,360 consider this part of the main 1984 01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:00,800 structure. 1985 01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:02,640 So just things we could consider and 1986 01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:04,080 like push this ordinance further down if 1987 01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:05,680 you guys think we should maybe think 1988 01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:07,440 about that a little bit more. The thing 1989 01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:09,960 I like best about um 1990 01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:13,000 what we've proposed is just that it it 1991 01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:14,200 kind of matches what our ordinance 1992 01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:16,840 already says in two different locations. 1993 01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:19,480 Uh here and down here. 1994 01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:20,960 Just kind of implying that anything 1995 01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:25,600 farther than 12 ft away is detached. Um 1996 01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:27,000 and I think 1997 01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:28,880 this our ordinance is a little bit more 1998 01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:30,360 lenient for property owners. They're 1999 01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:32,720 able to to get a little bit more into 2000 01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:35,760 their lot. Um which is a plus for for 2001 01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:38,960 property rights, but um there's there's 2002 01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:40,280 positives to both. I can also see the 2003 01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:41,680 positive in the Highland ordinance as 2004 01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:42,800 well. So 2005 01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:44,120 >> I like what you have here. I don't think 2006 01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:45,520 we need to delay it. 2007 01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:46,240 >> Okay. 2008 01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:49,950 >> Yeah. Just my thoughts. 2009 01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:51,040 » And yeah, I'll leave it up to you guys 2010 01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:52,560 if you want to discuss more about that 2011 01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:56,510 right now before we move on, but 2012 01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:59,000 » Just tie level benefits or attached 2013 01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,240 versus detached. 2014 01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:03,040 I mean it's 2015 01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:04,720 >> That the benefits of attached versus 2016 01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:06,640 detached. So I think the main one is 2017 01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:07,120 just 2018 01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:09,280 >> What I want to detach versus attached. 2019 01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,760 >> So if you if you want it as tall as your 2020 01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:13,920 main structure, you want a addition. You 2021 01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:16,160 want it attached to your house. 2022 01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:19,160 Um if you want to use your lot area 2023 01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:20,800 better, you would want it detached cuz 2024 01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:22,400 then you can have shorter setbacks. 2025 01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:24,840 >> And your taxes, utilities, those kinds 2026 01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:26,000 of things. 2027 01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:27,320 >> That's a good point as well. I don't 2028 01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:31,120 know how how much do detached structures affect 2029 01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:34,040 your property taxes? I don't know. 2030 01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:35,920 >> Taxes, I don't know, but we would still 2031 01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:38,560 require them to connect to the existing 2032 01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:39,200 services. 2033 01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:40,080 >> Existing services. 2034 01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:40,960 >> Yeah. 2035 01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:43,120 >> So, one thing where this has come up in 2036 01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:46,680 the past is people wanted a accessory 2037 01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:48,880 dwelling unit, but they couldn't have a 2038 01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,320 detached accessory dwelling unit. So, 2039 01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:52,320 they were like, "Well, we'll just 2040 01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:54,800 connect it to the house." Which then 2041 01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:57,280 makes an internal accessory dwelling 2042 01:05:57,280 --> 01:05:59,800 unit. Which they could have under the 2043 01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:02,480 old code. So, that's where from my 2044 01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:04,000 perspective, where we saw a lot of 2045 01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,400 those, "Oh, we want to add a garage with 2046 01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:09,080 a room above it. Oh, we have to attach 2047 01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:09,520 it." 2048 01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:10,080 >> Yeah. 2049 01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:12,000 >> Exactly. And that kind of goes away. 2050 01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:15,000 >> But yeah, because if they even if they 2051 01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:18,520 attach it, it's still considered a 2052 01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:20,400 dwelling unit, so they couldn't build 2053 01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:21,400 another one. 2054 01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:22,520 >> Yes. 2055 01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:24,280 >> Now, they they're going to have to 2056 01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:26,320 decide one or the other because they're 2057 01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:27,320 only allowed one. 2058 01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:28,760 >> One. Yeah. 2059 01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:30,640 >> Which I think is another reason why it 2060 01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:32,000 would be prudent for us to have that in 2061 01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:35,480 our detached ADU code is just or our ADU 2062 01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:37,000 code in general is just one ADU is 2063 01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:38,480 allowed on the property. 2064 01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:38,960 >> Yeah. 2065 01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:40,400 >> In bold letters. 2066 01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:41,441 >> Yeah. 2067 01:06:41,441 --> 01:06:44,350 >> [laughter] 2068 01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:45,120 » Okay. 2069 01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:48,470 >> Any other questions on this one? 2070 01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:50,880 If you guys like that, then we'll 2071 01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:53,640 go forward with it. Um okay, so this one 2072 01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:54,640 is 2073 01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:56,040 just a little update to the swimming 2074 01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:58,160 pool code. Um 2075 01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:01,440 So, Shane was telling me that people 2076 01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:02,720 were 2077 01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:05,520 having issues maybe situating 2078 01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:06,400 uh 2079 01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:10,920 like uh a pool changing structure on 2080 01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:12,640 their property or just other storage 2081 01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:14,680 structures for pool stuff on their 2082 01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:15,720 property. 2083 01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:18,120 This code kind of makes it seem like 2084 01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:20,680 uh you have to have more strict setbacks 2085 01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:22,960 that are laid out here for anything 2086 01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:25,000 that's related to a pool. So, if you 2087 01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:26,400 have a shed that you store all your pool 2088 01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:28,760 supplies in, you need to have you need 2089 01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:30,360 to meet these setbacks instead of the 2090 01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:34,680 general uh accessory building setbacks, 2091 01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:36,200 which are less stringent than these 2092 01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:38,000 ones. This For example, this one 2093 01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:39,400 requires 2094 01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:41,760 10 ft from the side and rear 2095 01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:43,960 um for a storage structure for pool 2096 01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:46,680 stuff, whereas our normal accessory 2097 01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:48,760 building code allows you to be up to 2 2098 01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:50,360 ft away 2 and 1/2 ft away from the 2099 01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:52,000 property line for a shed or something 2100 01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:53,080 like that as long as it meets all those 2101 01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:54,480 requirements. 2102 01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:56,600 And so, it just seemed illogical to have 2103 01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:57,480 a 2104 01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:00,200 if someone calls their structure a pool 2105 01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:02,280 shed, then they all all of a sudden have 2106 01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:03,560 really strict setbacks for that 2107 01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:04,760 structure. 2108 01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:06,480 It seems like they could just rename it 2109 01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:08,240 and then we would allow them to be a lot 2110 01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:09,600 closer to the property line for that. 2111 01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:12,760 So, we just wanted to eliminate that um 2112 01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:14,640 that ambiguity there. And so, in terms 2113 01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:16,880 of this section, pool houses and storage 2114 01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:18,839 structures are not considered related 2115 01:08:18,839 --> 01:08:21,040 facilities and are evaluated based on 2116 01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:22,560 the accessory structure requirements of 2117 01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:23,680 the underlying zone. 2118 01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:25,040 >> Can I ask a quick question? This is 2119 01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:27,240 where I came up with the question on 2120 01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:29,400 the you know, attached detached where 2121 01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:31,400 you might change the ordinance. I'm just 2122 01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:32,839 trying to put it in context why someone 2123 01:08:32,839 --> 01:08:34,720 would do this. I mean, I have a pool 2124 01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:37,440 house and if you look at what's in 2125 01:08:37,440 --> 01:08:39,359 those, you've got pumps, you've And that 2126 01:08:39,359 --> 01:08:40,960 was my concern with another unit that 2127 01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:43,359 you put 5 ft from the It's got an air 2128 01:08:43,359 --> 01:08:45,000 conditioning unit that might be close to 2129 01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:46,720 someone else's bedroom and you've Is it 2130 01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:48,520 noise related or why did they do this in 2131 01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:50,160 the first place? There had to be a 2132 01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:52,160 reason why somebody said a pool house is 2133 01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:54,319 different than a shed that has someone's 2134 01:08:54,319 --> 01:08:56,279 lawnmower in it and it doesn't make any 2135 01:08:56,279 --> 01:08:56,799 noise. 2136 01:08:56,799 --> 01:08:58,359 >> Yeah, no, I I think you were on the 2137 01:08:58,359 --> 01:09:00,319 right track there of saying like these 2138 01:09:00,319 --> 01:09:02,480 pipes and pumps or whatever are can be 2139 01:09:02,480 --> 01:09:05,319 obstructive and and and you know be 2140 01:09:05,319 --> 01:09:07,120 bothersome to neighbors and stuff. And 2141 01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:08,600 so that doesn't go away with this 2142 01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:11,799 change. Any any of those structures that 2143 01:09:11,799 --> 01:09:13,720 make the pool run still have to meet 2144 01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:15,880 these setbacks. This is specifically for 2145 01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:17,200 storage 2146 01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:18,400 and 2147 01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:20,560 like a structure for someone to change 2148 01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:22,279 and a pool changing structure something 2149 01:09:22,279 --> 01:09:24,440 like that where there's nothing 2150 01:09:24,440 --> 01:09:26,120 mechanical going on 2151 01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:27,400 in that sense. Yeah. 2152 01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:28,680 >> As soon as that pool house gets a 2153 01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:30,279 bathroom and a shower [clears throat] 2154 01:09:30,279 --> 01:09:32,759 then the setback falls in and they have 2155 01:09:32,759 --> 01:09:35,040 to be 10 ft? 2156 01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:39,640 >> Yes. Yes. So it would just be only 2157 01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:40,920 Well, let's see. So pool houses and 2158 01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:42,880 school structures and storage structures 2159 01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:45,200 are not considered related facilities. 2160 01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:47,600 Um 2161 01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:48,960 That's actually a good question, Jason. 2162 01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:49,480 Did you 2163 01:09:49,480 --> 01:09:52,440 >> Well, in in my mind is Greg brought it 2164 01:09:52,440 --> 01:09:55,000 up. A pool house has the pumps in it. 2165 01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:57,360 And so that should be further away than 2166 01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:00,880 2 ft. Do we have a 2167 01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:02,840 I if for me I would take out pool 2168 01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:04,320 houses. 2169 01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:04,720 >> Okay. 2170 01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:08,040 >> We have a definition for pool house. 2171 01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:09,680 >> I'm not sure. 2172 01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:11,680 >> Cuz I think there's also a safety I mean 2173 01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:14,320 this last year I had a pool pump 2174 01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:16,120 blow up, blew my whole roof off. I'm 2175 01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:18,560 still in litigation with the And a month 2176 01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:20,400 before that a guy died 2177 01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:22,160 uh with that. And so if you're putting 2178 01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:24,960 something that's got hazards and risk 2179 01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:26,480 associated with it next to someone 2180 01:10:26,480 --> 01:10:28,240 else's house or property line I don't 2181 01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:29,880 know if there's risk there. 2182 01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:32,040 I lost the whole roof to a pool house. 2183 01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:32,800 >> Hm. 2184 01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:35,160 Where your equipment was? 2185 01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:37,920 >> Pressurized blew up and roof went off. 2186 01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:41,520 >> What What What pressurized? 2187 01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:44,190 The 2188 01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:46,400 Yeah, cuz see 2189 01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:48,640 Cuz we cuz we don't we don't have a 2190 01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:50,760 structure 2191 01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:53,800 on around our pool equipment and it's 2192 01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:56,240 extremely quiet. 2193 01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:59,120 Um but we've considered putting a 2194 01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:01,560 structure over it. 2195 01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:02,720 But 2196 01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:05,720 it doesn't I think it's less than 2197 01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:07,520 10 ft. 2198 01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:09,680 If I If I put the structure in, it would 2199 01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:11,880 be less than 10 ft 2200 01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:13,760 from the 2201 01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:16,200 property line. 2202 01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:18,040 >> I guess I'm saying we may just need to 2203 01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:20,040 look at this a little further. Sorry, 2204 01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:20,680 Cayden. 2205 01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:21,320 >> No, it's okay. 2206 01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:22,240 >> But it may just be worth 2207 01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:22,880 >> That's what we're here for. 2208 01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:25,280 >> spending some time and really dialing 2209 01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:25,840 this in. 2210 01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:27,120 >> Yeah, it looks like we don't have a 2211 01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:29,600 definite definition for pool house. 2212 01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:32,150 Um 2213 01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:32,560 » Cuz I Cuz 2214 01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:39,920 >> Cuz I thought the Yeah, I thought the intent was to not have some big 2215 01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:42,600 structure of 2216 01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:44,280 I've seen some of the ones here in 2217 01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:46,640 Alpine where it's way different than 2218 01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:48,720 mine, you know, and it has this big old 2219 01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:50,760 structure where they jump off. 2220 01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:51,320 >> Yeah. 2221 01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:52,000 >> You know. 2222 01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:54,600 >> Like Disneyland or some resort. Yeah. 2223 01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:56,640 >> And it's right up you know, and it's 2224 01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:58,200 right up against the property. And I'm 2225 01:11:58,200 --> 01:11:59,920 like, how in the world did that get 2226 01:11:59,920 --> 01:12:01,320 approved? 2227 01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:02,080 >> Jeff, can I just 2228 01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:03,840 >> Yeah. Yeah, Marla. 2229 01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:05,600 >> There's two separate types of 2230 01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:07,720 application. One comes in and they call 2231 01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:09,240 it a pool house. 2232 01:12:09,240 --> 01:12:12,560 And that is your changing room, your 2233 01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:16,000 bathroom, your outdoor or indoor shower, 2234 01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:18,160 with maybe a laundry to do towels, maybe 2235 01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:20,120 an outdoor kitchen. And those are the 2236 01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:22,440 great big structures that are next to 2237 01:12:22,440 --> 01:12:24,440 the pool. Other people are coming in 2238 01:12:24,440 --> 01:12:26,280 with an application calling it a pool 2239 01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:29,480 house, and it's just a little shack 2240 01:12:29,480 --> 01:12:31,240 that's got your pool equipment in. 2241 01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:32,080 >> Yes. 2242 01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:35,280 >> Third one is a combination. They have 2243 01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:36,240 They've got the bathroom and the 2244 01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:39,160 changing room on one end, and and the 2245 01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:41,200 wall in between with their pool 2246 01:12:41,200 --> 01:12:43,160 equipment on the other. So, we kind of 2247 01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:45,440 get a combination and they all come in 2248 01:12:45,440 --> 01:12:46,920 and they're called pool houses. 2249 01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:51,760 >> Yeah, so maybe we should create some definitions. 2250 01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:53,400 >> Mhm. 2251 01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:55,360 >> And so, because of their class 2252 01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:57,280 their def their 2253 01:12:57,280 --> 01:12:59,200 what they're calling themselves, they 2254 01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:01,360 get a more favorable setback. 2255 01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:02,440 >> Yes. 2256 01:13:02,440 --> 01:13:04,440 >> But, we usually go off of size, because 2257 01:13:04,440 --> 01:13:06,560 the bigger ones that have the great big 2258 01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:09,320 kitchen, bathroom, changing rooms, those 2259 01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:10,640 are going to have to have a probably 2260 01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:13,120 your 10-ft side setback and a 15 rear, 2261 01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:14,520 because they're massive. 2262 01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:15,040 >> Yeah. 2263 01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:16,600 >> The little shack that's just got the 2264 01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:18,280 pool equipment in it 2265 01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:20,400 could be closer to the property line. 2266 01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:21,320 >> Yeah. That's what 2267 01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:21,920 >> Unless 2268 01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:23,080 >> That's my hope. 2269 01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:24,440 >> Yeah. 2270 01:13:24,440 --> 01:13:25,840 And I'm glad Myra brought that up. 2271 01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:27,520 That's a good point. So, like something 2272 01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:29,360 that is more substantial has a shower, 2273 01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:31,360 has all this space, will obviously not 2274 01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:33,320 meet the 200 sq ft requirement. 2275 01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:33,880 >> Yes. 2276 01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:35,800 >> And so, it won't be able to do the 2-ft 2277 01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:36,720 setback anyway. 2278 01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:38,120 >> Yes. I agree. 2279 01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:38,760 >> Yeah. 2280 01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:39,840 >> Okay. 2281 01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:41,160 so 2282 01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:44,120 you can come back on swimming pools and 2283 01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:46,560 related facilities, that code. 2284 01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:47,440 >> Okay. 2285 01:13:47,440 --> 01:13:48,920 Yeah, I think it's I think it's a good 2286 01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:50,840 idea to define 2287 01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:52,120 pool house. Yeah, I think it's a great 2288 01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:55,110 idea. Okay. 2289 01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:57,000 Um and then just yeah, renumbering 2290 01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:59,240 sports courts to see there. 2291 01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:00,600 And then I just have this repeated 2292 01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:03,520 throughout all our zones. So, the pool 2293 01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:05,040 house and the accessory structures, 2294 01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:07,120 that's what these ones are. 2295 01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:10,400 Just zoom through those. 2296 01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:12,440 Pool again. This is the other I think 2297 01:14:12,440 --> 01:14:15,200 this is CR5 zone. 2298 01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:17,040 Swimming pool again. 2299 01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:19,320 Add the word "the" there, and take away 2300 01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:20,960 kind of random 2301 01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:22,760 see right there. 2302 01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:24,800 Um yeah, there's like a shed just to 2303 01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:27,520 examples of things that we were 2304 01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:28,400 thinking about. 2305 01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:29,840 >> Sure. 2306 01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:31,560 >> Okay. 2307 01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:33,680 Oh, this is just a clean version. Okay. 2308 01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:38,150 So, that that is the end, actually. 2309 01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:40,000 » Excellent. Okay. 2310 01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:42,880 Well, with that, let 2311 01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:44,760 I If we don't have any other questions 2312 01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:46,960 for Caden or Jason, 2313 01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:56,990 we can open it up to a public hearing. 2314 01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:00,520 Okay, seeing as how there is no one here 2315 01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:04,480 to comment or have questions, 2316 01:15:04,480 --> 01:15:08,560 we will close the public hearing. 2317 01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:11,870 So 2318 01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:13,800 with that 2319 01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:14,560 uh 2320 01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:19,080 we have some recommendations to staff 2321 01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:22,280 on that code and then it will come back 2322 01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:25,040 to us for approval, right? Or 2323 01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:27,160 recommendation for approval? 2324 01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:27,960 >> Do we need to [snorts] table it 2325 01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:28,640 officially? 2326 01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:32,040 >> Or or yeah, I I guess we have to make a 2327 01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:35,680 motion. I I just saw the public hearing 2328 01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:38,590 but 2329 01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:40,600 is that all we're doing here or we're 2330 01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:41,600 actually 2331 01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:42,680 going to 2332 01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:45,520 have a motion? 2333 01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:47,120 >> Yeah, sorry. This is an action item so 2334 01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:49,880 you can do Yeah, so you can motion to 2335 01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:51,760 approve everything except for the pool 2336 01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:53,280 house 2337 01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:55,600 section or the pool section and then 2338 01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:57,320 that will be 2339 01:15:57,320 --> 01:15:58,880 a condition of 2340 01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:00,480 revisiting the commissioners. 2341 01:16:00,480 --> 01:16:03,320 >> And just so you know, we're finding more 2342 01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:04,800 stuff in the code, these little things 2343 01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:06,800 that need to be changed. So 2344 01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:08,640 when this comes back we'll have more to 2345 01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:09,320 add to it. 2346 01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:11,080 >> Sure, okay. 2347 01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:14,120 so then with that I will entertain 2348 01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:15,720 a motion 2349 01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:19,812 uh from somebody on this action item. 2350 01:16:19,812 --> 01:16:24,870 >> [snorts] 2351 01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:30,240 » I'll make a motion to table the proposed 2352 01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:32,920 a uh ordinance changes 2353 01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:33,640 uh 2354 01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:36,040 specifically with regard to the pool 2355 01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:38,150 house section 2356 01:16:38,153 --> 01:16:38,160 » [snorts] 2357 01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:42,040 >> for staff to rework and come back to us 2358 01:16:42,040 --> 01:16:42,840 uh 2359 01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:45,000 to review. 2360 01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:46,080 >> Okay. 2361 01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:48,800 We have a motion to table the proposed 2362 01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:51,200 text amendments to the development code 2363 01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:54,320 by John McKay. Do I have a second? 2364 01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:55,240 >> I'll second it. 2365 01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:57,680 >> A second by Sue Wittenberg. Any 2366 01:16:57,680 --> 01:17:02,350 discussions on the motion? 2367 01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:03,760 » Are you proposing that you approve the 2368 01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:04,880 others and just have 2369 01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:06,200 >> Yeah, that's what he mentioned. I don't 2370 01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:07,440 know if that 2371 01:17:07,440 --> 01:17:08,280 makes a difference. 2372 01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:10,000 >> Just efficiency to not have to go over 2373 01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:11,040 the same 2374 01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:13,240 >> Right. Other stuff again is a question, 2375 01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:13,560 I guess. 2376 01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:16,480 >> Yeah, I was thinking more at large and 2377 01:17:16,480 --> 01:17:17,960 have it 2378 01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:20,440 brought back clean, but we can go either 2379 01:17:20,440 --> 01:17:20,880 way. 2380 01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:22,040 >> Is there an advantage? What's the 2381 01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:24,080 feeling? 2382 01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:26,480 >> I I don't I think it's fine either way. 2383 01:17:26,480 --> 01:17:27,640 So. 2384 01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:28,280 >> Okay, I think it's fine either way. I 2385 01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:29,280 think it's fine either way. Okay, I 2386 01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:31,920 think it's I think it's fine either way. 2387 01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:33,120 >> Okay, I'll leave my motion in place 2388 01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:35,000 then. 2389 01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:37,840 >> Okay, if there's no more discussions 2390 01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:40,440 on the motion, we will vote. All those 2391 01:17:40,440 --> 01:17:42,240 in favor? 2392 01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:42,680 Yes. 2393 01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:45,320 >> Thanks, Sue. 2394 01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:48,320 >> Okay, so with that we will 2395 01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:50,320 vote. All those in favor say I. 2396 01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:51,920 >> I. 2397 01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:54,120 >> Any opposed? 2398 01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:57,960 The vote is unanimous, Marla. 2399 01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:00,600 And now we will go on to the next item 2400 01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:03,720 section or number four, communications. 2401 01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:05,400 Cayden. 2402 01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:07,480 >> None for me. Just more code code updates 2403 01:18:07,480 --> 01:18:08,960 coming soon probably with the fence 2404 01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:11,200 ordinance and different things, so. 2405 01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:15,400 >> I have a question about the rifle 2406 01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:16,960 shop. 2407 01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:18,920 I thought that was Long Shooters. I I 2408 01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:20,000 thought that was going to come back to 2409 01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:22,120 us. It didn't. Can you tell us what 2410 01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:23,320 happened? 2411 01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:26,680 >> Yeah, so the the city council was very 2412 01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:29,800 hyper aware of the parking lot layout 2413 01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:31,760 and really wanted to make sure it met 2414 01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:33,080 the code 2415 01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:35,080 just cuz there was so much uproar in in 2416 01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:36,320 neighborhood. 2417 01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:39,520 So uh originally they had one parking 2418 01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:41,280 stall that was going to be in the 2419 01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:43,000 setback, and so they were going to have 2420 01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:44,280 to come back to the planning commission 2421 01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:46,760 for a recommended approval of that stall 2422 01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:48,560 in the setback. 2423 01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:50,600 Uh after that, they they ended up 2424 01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:52,640 changing their parking lot layout and so 2425 01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:54,440 not needing that recommendation anymore. 2426 01:18:54,440 --> 01:18:56,120 That's why you guys didn't see it again. 2427 01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:58,000 >> There was no more exceptions, so it just 2428 01:18:58,000 --> 01:18:58,960 fell within the code. 2429 01:18:58,960 --> 01:18:59,560 >> building smaller. 2430 01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:01,720 >> And they and they didn't give you any 2431 01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:03,680 hard time about that design? 2432 01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:04,400 >> Change 2433 01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:06,120 >> historic design design guidelines where 2434 01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:07,640 there were some changes on that? 2435 01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:09,280 >> Yeah. 2436 01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:11,000 >> There were a few changes from what you 2437 01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:13,760 guys saw. Um you can look at the the 2438 01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:15,480 city council minutes that approved it 2439 01:19:15,480 --> 01:19:17,400 and just see it's a little bit more 2440 01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:18,960 substantial, I would say now. There's 2441 01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:20,920 more wood on the front. 2442 01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:23,000 Um yeah, the ACM panels are no longer 2443 01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:25,120 there, uh at least on the same to the 2444 01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:27,040 same degree they were before. 2445 01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:28,720 Um so, but 2446 01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:29,960 >> They changed the parking lot collect. 2447 01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:31,880 They also reduced the size of the 2448 01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:33,240 structure a little bit based off the 2449 01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:33,880 parking change. 2450 01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:34,920 >> They did. They had to reduce the 2451 01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:36,800 structure uh 2452 01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:38,240 quite a lot, actually. I think it ended 2453 01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:40,080 up being close to 800 square feet 2454 01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:41,120 smaller. 2455 01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:41,560 >> Yeah. 2456 01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:42,400 >> So. 2457 01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:44,720 >> Okay, thanks. 2458 01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:47,800 Okay, um do any 2459 01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:48,480 uh 2460 01:19:48,480 --> 01:19:50,960 any items that we should be looking 2461 01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:55,280 forward to on the 18th? 2462 01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:58,720 >> Um probably just this pool one and then 2463 01:19:58,720 --> 01:19:59,440 um 2464 01:19:59,440 --> 01:20:00,640 hopefully by that time we'll have a 2465 01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:02,960 formal detached ADU code for you guys to 2466 01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:03,640 adopt. 2467 01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:04,200 >> Okay. 2468 01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:05,600 >> Um 2469 01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:07,960 might have the fence ordinance as well. 2470 01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:10,040 >> to have that done by end of August? 2471 01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:10,920 >> October 1st. 2472 01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:11,400 >> Okay, so we 2473 01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:14,880 >> So, we're ahead of time, yeah. 2474 01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:16,320 Um 2475 01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:19,600 yeah, we might have you guys see the 2476 01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:21,280 a proposed upgrade to the fence 2477 01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:22,840 ordinance as well. That's something that 2478 01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:24,040 council member Andrew Young has been 2479 01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:26,040 working on extensively and Jessica 2480 01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:27,000 Specht. 2481 01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:27,400 >> Okay. 2482 01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:29,720 >> Um so. 2483 01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:30,840 >> Excellent. 2484 01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:32,640 Okay, any other questions or 2485 01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:33,760 communication? 2486 01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:34,960 >> Yeah. 2487 01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:36,600 >> Okay. 2488 01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:38,200 Approval of the planning commission 2489 01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:40,880 minutes from July 7th. 2490 01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:43,040 I will entertain a motion to approve 2491 01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:45,720 those or any First I any questions or 2492 01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:50,630 edits changes. 2493 01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:51,560 Okay. 2494 01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:54,680 With that, no changes. 2495 01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:56,760 I will entertain a motion to approve. 2496 01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:58,840 >> Move to approve the minutes 2497 01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:00,760 of July 7th, 2016. 2498 01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:03,200 >> Motion to approve by Greg Butterfield. 2499 01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:04,440 Do I have a second? 2500 01:21:04,440 --> 01:21:05,120 >> I'll second it. 2501 01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:07,960 >> Second by Michelle Schirmer. 2502 01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:10,640 Any discussion? Nope. And so all those 2503 01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:11,920 in favor say I. 2504 01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:13,200 >> I. 2505 01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:14,720 >> Any opposed? 2506 01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:17,320 Motion carries unanimously. 2507 01:21:17,320 --> 01:21:18,440 Okay. 2508 01:21:18,440 --> 01:21:21,320 With that, I will entertain a motion to 2509 01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:23,360 adjourn. 2510 01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:24,760 >> I'll make a motion to adjourn. 2511 01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:27,280 >> Motion to adjourn by Susan Weinberg. 2512 01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:29,680 Second by 2513 01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:31,000 >> I'll second. 2514 01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:33,040 >> By Michelle Schirmer. All those opposed 2515 01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:34,440 All those in favor? 2516 01:21:34,440 --> 01:21:36,480 >> I. 2517 01:21:36,480 --> 01:21:40,430 >> Motion carries. Thank you. 2518 01:21:40,440 --> 01:21:42,480 » Well done. Well done. Good job. 2519 01:21:42,480 --> 01:21:43,840 >> Good job. 2520 01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:45,480 >> And we have another meeting, right? 2521 01:21:45,480 --> 01:21:49,120 >> Yep. And in 32 minutes. 2522 01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:51,400 >> Okay.