1 00:00:37,550 --> 00:00:43,750 So, first thing under the agenda, there's no whole business. We've got a new business to 2 00:00:45,770 --> 00:00:49,470 approve the meeting. I think we're in the first meeting. 3 00:00:51,660 --> 00:00:57,540 Has anyone got any problems with minutes as they're presenting the act? 4 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:04,460 Second, on the table. 5 00:01:06,900 --> 00:01:07,280 They approve. 6 00:01:26,620 --> 00:01:27,200 Mr. Harris. 7 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:27,760 Yes. 8 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:28,120 Okay. 9 00:01:28,420 --> 00:01:31,200 And I see no other entities to have a say. 10 00:01:31,580 --> 00:01:34,820 So, you know, so we'll open the public hearing 5-1, is that correct? 11 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:35,540 Mr. Chairman? 12 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:36,200 Mm-hmm. 13 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:37,460 All right. 14 00:01:40,250 --> 00:01:41,130 So, Matt, you're up. 15 00:01:50,430 --> 00:01:51,570 No, I'm good evening, Chairman. 16 00:01:51,990 --> 00:01:53,350 Members of the Board of Zoning Appeals. 17 00:01:53,770 --> 00:01:54,890 Thank you for your time. 18 00:01:55,130 --> 00:02:07,190 This evening, as you convene to administer case number 26, a B-A-R--26-0-1, which is an application 19 00:02:07,190 --> 00:02:13,830 for variants submitted by Mr. Edward R. Harris, 624 Riverview Drive, 20 00:02:14,190 --> 00:02:19,950 Althe Vista, Virginia. From an administrative standpoint, I'll just make a couple brief 21 00:02:19,950 --> 00:02:29,710 comments about process and application. I submitted first a memorandum to your 22 00:02:29,710 --> 00:02:40,830 desks, noting that as of 5 p.m. this evening, our office had not received, we had only received 23 00:02:40,830 --> 00:02:45,810 one comment, and that was from Chairman John Jordan of the Eltervis Deplaning Commission. 24 00:02:46,230 --> 00:02:51,970 As a matter of course, all variants, applications are submitted to the Planing Commission, who 25 00:02:51,970 --> 00:02:57,890 may choose to be a participant of this hearing, send comments, or be party to it. 26 00:02:59,330 --> 00:03:06,410 Mr. Jordan just noted that after his review of the application that he did not have any 27 00:03:06,410 --> 00:03:13,210 objection to the variance request. Outside of that, we receive no written or otherwise or 28 00:03:13,210 --> 00:03:18,850 no comments written or otherwise in favor of or in opposition to the variance application. 29 00:03:18,850 --> 00:03:29,190 So I mentioned that because in our public advertisement, we state that any member of 30 00:03:29,190 --> 00:03:35,910 the public may come to our office to examine the record or they may submit via email comments. 31 00:03:36,430 --> 00:03:37,910 So we did not receive any of those. 32 00:03:40,030 --> 00:03:47,670 Additionally, noting that we have received app of David of publication for the publication 33 00:03:47,670 --> 00:03:57,910 of this public hearing, which was published on April 28, 2026, and on May 5, 2026, 34 00:03:58,410 --> 00:04:10,110 in accordance with local and state code. To the matter of the variants itself included 35 00:04:10,110 --> 00:04:21,370 in your agenda packet starting at page 6 is a report, if you will, from staff, just 36 00:04:21,370 --> 00:04:27,890 giving you some background, some related matters as they pertain to the variance and 37 00:04:27,890 --> 00:04:37,390 then staff's analysis of the property along with some photos carrying on to page 10 is 38 00:04:37,390 --> 00:04:48,630 representation of Mr. Harris' property with the denoted building line. There you see 39 00:04:48,630 --> 00:04:54,550 it in the white dashes. And that just goes for to clarify to give you a visual representation 40 00:04:55,120 --> 00:05:03,230 of how code our code defines what the building line is. Additionally you'll see our zoning 41 00:05:03,230 --> 00:05:10,130 that, showing the zoning of Mr. Harris' property as an R1, and very additionally, you have 42 00:05:10,130 --> 00:05:18,370 excerpts from the code of Virginia as well as from our local code of the town of 43 00:05:18,370 --> 00:05:18,810 Afghanistan. 44 00:05:20,750 --> 00:05:30,250 I have referring from presenting a recommendation on this, in the facts, or presented as such 45 00:05:30,250 --> 00:05:34,230 that Mr. Harris' property does lie in an R1 zoning district. 46 00:05:34,850 --> 00:05:41,550 Our current code regulates accessory structures being built in front of the building line, 47 00:05:41,650 --> 00:05:43,450 the front building line of any property. 48 00:05:45,490 --> 00:05:55,370 As you can see, Mr. Harris' property situated at 624 Riverview lies in such a manner that 49 00:05:55,370 --> 00:06:02,910 he has an extensive front yard and for all intents and purposes we define the shape of 50 00:06:02,910 --> 00:06:11,530 his yard essentially is a flag lot so he has a small adjudging portion of that that 51 00:06:11,530 --> 00:06:14,050 falls behind another property. 52 00:06:14,730 --> 00:06:21,250 It is in fact in that location on that the flag portion of that if you will and in front 53 00:06:21,250 --> 00:06:31,410 the building line that he is seeking alleviation from town code regulations for accessory 54 00:06:31,410 --> 00:06:38,470 structures being permitted, not being permitted in the front building line. Aside from that, 55 00:06:38,670 --> 00:06:46,330 our observation is the property, obviously the setback of his current house from the road 56 00:06:46,330 --> 00:06:50,150 is approximately 400 feet from that. 57 00:06:50,390 --> 00:06:54,930 I'm trying to give you a visual representation of that in the picture on page 8. 58 00:06:56,390 --> 00:07:03,320 There are other properties on the street that have accessory structures. 59 00:07:03,500 --> 00:07:06,840 All those are which are behind the front building line. 60 00:07:07,500 --> 00:07:13,060 But there is no property so situated as Mr. Harris's. 61 00:07:13,580 --> 00:07:15,700 It is unique to that street. 62 00:07:15,700 --> 00:07:22,760 And in fact, I would say it's relatively unique in the entire town, quite frankly, with 63 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:28,740 this large of a lot and set up in this manner where the primary structure is at far off 64 00:07:28,740 --> 00:07:29,040 the road. 65 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:42,280 So from the staff perspective, we didn't see, well, that's the facts of that of the situation 66 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:42,540 there. 67 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:52,800 Related to that, again, as you can see on page 6 and 7 of the agenda, I'm giving you 68 00:07:52,800 --> 00:08:00,140 the definition which you need to decide if it's being met by the applicant for variants. 69 00:08:00,460 --> 00:08:09,480 That's bound in section 15.2, that's 2201, of the Code of Virginia, as well as the authority 70 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:14,400 in the guidelines for which you need to make of the determination. 71 00:08:15,460 --> 00:08:24,140 I have said also at your desks there a BZA variance checklist, which essentially is 72 00:08:24,140 --> 00:08:39,440 a summary of what you will find in state code or the excerpt of state code, which is 73 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:44,960 To present in this matter, if there's any questions I can answer, I'll be happy to do some. 74 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:45,600 Yes, ma'am. 75 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:49,580 I'd like to ask, there are such rebuilding behind the line, right? 76 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:50,940 I'll read you on the property. 77 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:51,880 There are. 78 00:08:51,980 --> 00:08:52,380 That's correct. 79 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:53,180 There are. 80 00:08:53,340 --> 00:08:54,580 Because I could look like this picture. 81 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:56,780 There's a couple of buildings behind the line. 82 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:57,920 Yes, they are correct. 83 00:08:58,700 --> 00:09:08,640 Our observation, those are either pre-built or built smaller structures on site, certainly 84 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:12,440 nothing to the scale that is being proposed in this application. 85 00:09:13,540 --> 00:09:21,040 The existing structures are only free froming or they are already set on concrete bays 86 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:21,640 or amountations. 87 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:22,140 Sure. 88 00:09:22,300 --> 00:09:28,900 Our observation is showing that they are leveled with blocks of some kind to make up for 89 00:09:28,900 --> 00:09:36,760 that topographical challenge that he has there that kind of starts really at the front 90 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:42,780 building line of his property inflows files down the rest of that 300 so feet to the 91 00:09:42,780 --> 00:09:48,500 back property line where it's just a slow grade down to that. 92 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:53,500 And this may be a question from Mr. Harris and not you, but is the accessory buildings 93 00:09:53,500 --> 00:09:58,300 that are currently on the property were they there when the property was purchased or were 94 00:09:58,300 --> 00:09:58,920 they added later? 95 00:09:59,140 --> 00:09:59,360 Sure. 96 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,200 I'll defer that answer to Mr. Harris. 97 00:10:22,930 --> 00:10:29,970 Good afternoon. I would first present that my biggest mistake is not doing this 20 years 98 00:10:29,970 --> 00:10:33,710 ago. We got a lot of things to say about that. 99 00:10:37,990 --> 00:10:44,770 Two old have a midlife crisis so I don't know where this came from. I decided I wanted 100 00:10:44,770 --> 00:10:53,930 this building you asked about the pre-existing stuff. I've added a sheet to the side if you can 101 00:10:53,930 --> 00:10:54,210 tell. 102 00:10:57,610 --> 00:11:04,110 Well it's several sheets. I've added one. A good building. You know, good sheets. 103 00:11:04,290 --> 00:11:11,150 I don't 29. He put one up for me and I thought it was going to be better to foot off a grand when 104 00:11:11,150 --> 00:11:19,750 he started and I was wrong. It's like the entrance is like waist high to me. So I had 105 00:11:19,750 --> 00:11:25,910 to build up around for that. And this is in one 106 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,520 of the pictures shows the shed on 107 00:11:35,540 --> 00:11:36,420 page 108 00:11:36,420 --> 00:11:46,080 9 at the bottom. You can see the shed. And there's a lot. I don't have to me at all with 109 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:54,880 the Frazier Farm. This goes down to the creek that does the Frazier Farm. I go almost 110 00:11:54,880 --> 00:12:03,160 to the creek at the back and it slows off so bad. One of my reasons for picking this spot 111 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:09,740 up, I watched too many homesteaded shows for a while. I feel like this is part of my homestead. 112 00:12:09,740 --> 00:12:17,360 If I put it anywhere else, I have a septic tank, I'm not hooked to the tank, the septic tank 113 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:25,050 and the drain field run to the right, well, if you're facing from a street or run from 114 00:12:25,050 --> 00:12:26,950 the left to the house and it goes, 115 00:12:29,260 --> 00:12:31,920 when the fellow built the house, see how to make the 116 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:38,860 drain field larger than what would have been normal because it didn't perk with, and so 117 00:12:38,860 --> 00:12:42,060 I can't put anything over there, we're very messing that up. 118 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:44,860 Now that is actually on the side of your... 119 00:12:44,860 --> 00:12:47,920 Right, that's to the left side of the home. 120 00:12:48,060 --> 00:12:49,960 Yeah, from the straight on the left. 121 00:12:50,700 --> 00:12:50,740 Yeah. 122 00:12:51,660 --> 00:12:58,420 And then, wife say, the driveway in the house was pre-existing when I moved there. 123 00:13:02,420 --> 00:13:08,180 Well, you don't need the history of the property around me, but anyway, that was 124 00:13:08,180 --> 00:13:16,780 There's one that there is it's convenient and it's what I consider part of my home state 125 00:13:16,780 --> 00:13:18,720 even though I own all five lights. 126 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,500 Keeps everything I own to give them. 127 00:13:22,620 --> 00:13:28,380 If whoever takes over after I'm not here, it'd be easier for them to divide up. 128 00:13:28,820 --> 00:13:34,220 Supposedly that's supposed to be two half lights in the front and two whole lights in the 129 00:13:34,220 --> 00:13:34,520 back. 130 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:41,460 and I don't know how that's divided. That's what somebody told me when I bought the place. 131 00:13:42,260 --> 00:13:43,820 But it was already subdivided. 132 00:13:47,510 --> 00:13:59,460 I'm the one that messed the street up. My address is 220 fold and the lady that works for 133 00:13:59,460 --> 00:14:06,180 the dance. Her dad lives like two houses up on the other side and he's like 220 too. 134 00:14:06,180 --> 00:14:13,800 So we supposed to be, you know, wise, we'd be across the street from each other by my house being on the backs out of the line. 135 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:21,840 It messed a number and system, I say, messed a number and system up so I don't know how it's divided out to be honest. 136 00:14:23,180 --> 00:14:31,060 For as I'm concerned, if I like us as man and I'm in the middle of it and I'm happy, I'm not anti-social, it just looks like I am. 137 00:14:31,060 --> 00:14:31,680 I 138 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:41,580 don't know, you got to think questions, I'm big. 139 00:14:42,460 --> 00:14:46,780 Yeah, I've got one, is that one of the, one of the things that... 140 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:48,920 Sorry, I got to pick up. 141 00:14:51,110 --> 00:14:54,230 The things are very clear in the audience, is that you don't think things. 142 00:14:54,470 --> 00:14:58,010 I want to come up to you to be able to show proof that it comes out. 143 00:15:02,620 --> 00:15:20,200 I'm not having that building there. So can you talk a little bit about how the building is going to be used for? And why not having it would be an intermountable hardship for you? Well, my purpose, I wanted to garage. 144 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:33,560 I don't, I don't want to answer that question. I just, if something I've always wanted, my son said at your age, 145 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:39,560 do something you want to do and sort of something you, um, practical. I should maybe practicals 146 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:44,700 are wrong word. I think the garage would be practical for me. I could do work on my own 147 00:15:44,700 --> 00:15:49,880 stuff. I have something convenient with concrete on the floor where I could work on stuff 148 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:56,520 where every time I use a jack, I go in the ground more than it picks up what I want. Um, 149 00:15:59,650 --> 00:16:00,090 if 150 00:16:00,090 --> 00:16:03,650 If I may, I have trouble with the hardship post. 151 00:16:03,770 --> 00:16:08,150 Sure, if I may be presented in a question in a different way, 152 00:16:08,930 --> 00:16:10,670 I'll let you agree or not, I'm not agreeable. 153 00:16:10,910 --> 00:16:17,620 Is why that location was selected on the property for 154 00:16:17,620 --> 00:16:20,560 that proposed, the site that he selected for. 155 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,520 Okay, so maybe rephrasing that question, why did you select 156 00:16:25,060 --> 00:16:29,960 that location in front of the building line for this 157 00:16:33,500 --> 00:16:36,800 Well, it's the closest thing I have to a level spot. 158 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:46,000 When I first moved out, we had one of the policemen in town said, I didn't even know that 159 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:46,940 house was back there. 160 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,640 So, that's half off of the street. 161 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:56,960 Well, it slopes up, and then, when a fellow put the house, he put it on the back side of the 162 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:01,680 and it slopes down to the creek, and it gets worse. 163 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,960 It's rounded, it's still not on a level spot, 164 00:17:06,360 --> 00:17:10,060 but it just rounds off, if you follow what I mean. 165 00:17:10,380 --> 00:17:14,460 It's a gradual from the street up to the high spot. 166 00:17:15,460 --> 00:17:17,780 And then you got the high spots rounded naturally, 167 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:22,120 but then after the high spot, it just drops off dramatically going. 168 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,140 It's not as bad as the cliff on the side of, 169 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,840 phrase of form, but it's not 170 00:17:30,410 --> 00:17:33,690 conclusive to, you know, if you, if you 171 00:17:33,690 --> 00:17:35,390 built a house, you would have a 172 00:17:35,390 --> 00:17:37,990 walk-yard basement. You know, if 173 00:17:37,990 --> 00:17:39,330 going down a hill, you'd have a 174 00:17:39,330 --> 00:17:41,110 walk-yard basement and then you'd 175 00:17:41,110 --> 00:17:43,270 have to climb steps to get to your 176 00:17:43,270 --> 00:17:45,170 first floor from the back side of 177 00:17:45,170 --> 00:17:47,930 that. Or if it can put the street 178 00:17:47,930 --> 00:17:50,670 up a creek, you could have a 179 00:17:50,670 --> 00:17:53,270 front side, but you, then you'd have 180 00:17:53,270 --> 00:17:55,890 like a, you'd still have, your first 181 00:17:55,890 --> 00:18:01,090 would be, I would consider on the ground going down that way. 182 00:18:01,710 --> 00:18:02,270 If 183 00:18:07,230 --> 00:18:11,970 you get to be able to complete it on what heavy equipment do you foresee that you 184 00:18:11,970 --> 00:18:13,150 will be using it in the bill? 185 00:18:14,770 --> 00:18:15,330 Alcompressors? 186 00:18:16,450 --> 00:18:25,870 Well, just shops, they'd be like, small Alcompressors to most, not good enough for welders to say I'd 187 00:18:25,870 --> 00:18:26,730 want a welder there. 188 00:18:28,990 --> 00:18:34,610 It would just be like doing my own service work on my car and truck. 189 00:18:35,810 --> 00:18:37,790 I don't have any big vehicles. 190 00:18:38,270 --> 00:18:40,390 I do have a farm tract on the place. 191 00:18:40,390 --> 00:18:41,790 I'd like to get that inside. 192 00:18:45,820 --> 00:18:50,940 I feel like 11 a day a day and I didn't get it inside when he brought it to me and he's 193 00:18:50,940 --> 00:18:51,180 gone. 194 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,160 I'm not taking care of it like I should. 195 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:59,980 And that's the main thing is to get my staff and I want to keep in something. 196 00:19:02,340 --> 00:19:09,980 So what would happen if you approved and you started using some heavy equipment there? 197 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:15,980 I see you got a house, the one of your neighbors or a little brother, with a structure for 198 00:19:15,980 --> 00:19:16,140 me. 199 00:19:16,140 --> 00:19:25,320 Let's just say in the future whatever he is that you use and make stop making too much noise for the name and enable stop complaining. 200 00:19:25,820 --> 00:19:29,040 What kind of recourse will we have to rectify that? 201 00:19:31,120 --> 00:19:44,840 Well, I can't see me making that much noise, but to give you a fair answer, I would think I would handle it with him before they came to you about. 202 00:19:47,620 --> 00:19:48,060 And 203 00:19:53,690 --> 00:19:57,990 the reason I brought that up is because technically, the structure should be in the back 204 00:19:57,990 --> 00:20:08,210 where it wouldn't be a problem, so much to get in there and not only grow, if I may, 205 00:20:08,390 --> 00:20:11,470 on the other side of those trees on page 9, 206 00:20:13,940 --> 00:20:18,560 that house is in front of me, and I can foresee 207 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:23,620 in the future, somebody asking her why she put her garage that far away from her house. 208 00:20:26,180 --> 00:20:31,780 If I go on the other side of those trees at the top where the Toyota pickup is, those 209 00:20:31,780 --> 00:20:35,860 trees are basically on the line between me and the property in front of me. 210 00:20:38,050 --> 00:20:43,790 And see if I had that house, I wouldn't be here, I would need a variance. 211 00:20:47,130 --> 00:20:52,390 And me and my wife was going to build a house in front next year when the money got right. 212 00:20:53,010 --> 00:20:58,430 Well, life happened and stuff happened and now my old, I can't say what I was going to say. 213 00:20:59,250 --> 00:21:02,830 Anyway, I don't need a big house, you know. 214 00:21:03,850 --> 00:21:09,390 And so I don't want to mess up a front yard for the next paint you found. 215 00:21:11,740 --> 00:21:21,560 and that was my prayer. I consider that a lot over there as part of my what I call home state and I just want to keep everything together. 216 00:21:22,380 --> 00:21:26,960 So it mess up less area for the next generation, I guess. 217 00:21:30,630 --> 00:21:31,230 So 218 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:42,840 it's basically, if I can reword what I've heard is that you want to use this as a personal 219 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:43,280 preference. 220 00:21:43,700 --> 00:21:47,500 If you've never had it there then something on the hill behind the house. 221 00:21:47,860 --> 00:21:48,980 All right. 222 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:51,680 All right. 223 00:21:55,440 --> 00:22:01,320 Well, if you have more for us, then I appreciate your time. 224 00:22:01,500 --> 00:22:02,640 Thank you. 225 00:22:19,410 --> 00:22:26,390 If you want to ask if there's anyone here in opposition or is anyone here in opposition 226 00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:31,730 a favor to go ahead? No, that's okay. 227 00:22:31,790 --> 00:22:35,350 Follow the room in that sheet that I showed you. 228 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,860 Sorry, that's what the table was looking for. 229 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:55,800 Are there any current here who will support for variance? 230 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:57,280 make it known. 231 00:23:03,470 --> 00:23:06,250 Any presentations for posing variants? 232 00:23:09,860 --> 00:23:12,340 Then I want to close this 233 00:23:12,340 --> 00:23:15,240 here at 5.3, we're 234 00:23:18,980 --> 00:23:24,620 coming through the four members and I guess by show of 235 00:23:25,860 --> 00:23:29,840 Yehrenegh whether you agree with the variants or disagree so that's the 236 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:30,260 question. 237 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:31,640 I was. 238 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:33,060 You approved variance? 239 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,360 I did not approve. 240 00:23:39,300 --> 00:23:39,960 I do not approve. 241 00:23:40,540 --> 00:23:41,240 I do not approve. 242 00:23:42,360 --> 00:23:42,920 I do not approve. 243 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:44,500 So we've got three to one. 244 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,260 What was the vote against? 245 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:48,700 She approved. 246 00:23:49,020 --> 00:23:49,200 I approved. 247 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:50,120 Not. 248 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:50,620 Not. 249 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:51,000 Not. 250 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:52,120 Okay. 251 00:23:53,500 --> 00:23:54,240 All right. 252 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,620 So the majority of the variance is not approved. 253 00:24:08,660 --> 00:24:09,380 Any matter? 254 00:24:09,900 --> 00:24:10,380 Moving on. 255 00:24:10,380 --> 00:24:19,500 Yeah, I don't have anything great, I don't matter some staff, any matters from the board members, I think what we need to talk about. 256 00:24:24,410 --> 00:24:30,450 Well then all being said, I appreciate everyone's attendance, I appreciate your tenure and patience. 257 00:24:31,110 --> 00:24:34,010 And if that will close this up, meeting out at 5.24. 258 00:24:37,870 --> 00:24:38,870 Thank you.