1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:06,799 um all right and are you set up to do that you 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:11,920 going right now uh yep it's now recording 3 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:17,039 okay welcome everybody um we have barbara 4 00:00:13,120 --> 00:00:20,960 from the her councilwoman christiansen from the city council camden's 5 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:26,960 representing uh the city parks rec and trails and on 6 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:31,920 uh for the committee we have peter nathan 7 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:34,239 and lisa on welcome everybody um 8 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:41,600 i think everybody got a copy of the notes 9 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:47,920 um if they look good do we have a motion to 10 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:51,440 uh to approve the notes from the june 10th meeting 11 00:00:52,239 --> 00:01:00,079 i'll give a motion to approve i'll second that 12 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:06,799 okay thank you and um everybody in favor of 13 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:13,840 approving those notes say aye aye aye aye aye 14 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:13,840 thank you all right 15 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:22,479 so i think camden sent a uh email out just a hour or so ago about 16 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:27,280 the updates on the on the park and wreck projects that are 17 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:31,119 in place right now do you want to go over that 18 00:01:27,759 --> 00:01:34,640 camden yeah um i decided for some people it may be 19 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:38,079 helpful just to have it in front of them but i was 20 00:01:35,439 --> 00:01:44,079 just gonna go through it real quick uh we had a handful of projects park tax 21 00:01:40,799 --> 00:01:47,280 projects from last year um that we uh have been working on are 22 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:51,360 closing up we had the last smaller pavilion at 23 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:55,439 quail cove that's up looks real nice we have the 24 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:59,280 park tax logo on it we had a playground also the 25 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:03,680 robinson uh park one you can see that one's been up for a bit we also did 26 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:09,759 uh just through city funding we did a playground at um all right um not cool i 27 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:14,319 think i said quill cove i apologize rotary park um we have a new playground 28 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:18,560 there as well through city funds but the one at 29 00:02:16,319 --> 00:02:22,480 robinson that's uh park tax funded it's got a cool 30 00:02:19,920 --> 00:02:27,840 logo just stamped onto one of the panels i think that looks nice 31 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:31,280 the quill cove entrance is um is complete we want to try and get some 32 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:34,480 nice signage actually i have a another guy working on design work for 33 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:38,160 these uh street banners um and then we want like 34 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:41,680 a kind of an entrance monument just kind of where the half circle is 35 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:45,599 part of the sidewalk further up is not done but that was done 36 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:50,080 with intent because we knew or we suspected we'd be getting this bathroom 37 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:54,640 approved which we have so we kind of left that undone so that we can 38 00:02:51,920 --> 00:02:59,040 put stuff in get the bathroom uh that's gonna start happening in september 39 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:02,080 um at the time when we were kind of looking at scheduled events there wasn't 40 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:06,159 a lot going on at that time and we didn't want to get two later and 41 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:09,840 we're working with a contractor and that was kind of the preferred time too so it 42 00:03:07,920 --> 00:03:13,680 just kind of all worked out to have it happen at beginning of september and 43 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:17,360 then really by the third week as it says here which 44 00:03:15,519 --> 00:03:20,720 hopefully be wrapped up and kind of have it up and running probably 45 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:27,280 just landscaping left at that point around it 46 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:32,000 and then we just have various trail sorry cans trees 47 00:03:28,640 --> 00:03:36,799 tables throughout the the area if you've been on uh the trail like 48 00:03:34,959 --> 00:03:39,840 on 300 and um kind of up along the river you may 49 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:46,080 see a couple of the new seats with the logo on 50 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:50,319 yeah that's just a summary of stuff working on we actually we did the 51 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:53,680 dog park a while ago but we put in a really soft sand 52 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:57,200 we've actually gone through and redone we dug out that sand because it was 53 00:03:55,120 --> 00:04:01,680 blown around and caused a mess and we put in a sand that's been used in 54 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:06,080 other dog parks to heavier firmer more can be more compacted and so 55 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:09,599 that's another side project that was done 56 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:12,239 uh another one is evergreen we got the sprinklers in 57 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:16,160 and taking care of the contractor was really slow on that 58 00:04:14,239 --> 00:04:18,320 um yeah but they're they're slammed and busy so we just had to work around that 59 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:23,680 so those are just some of the big projects 60 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:27,680 that we've been working on that jason manly's been working on 61 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:31,520 and the sand in the dog park is that the dog parked up by our die 62 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:35,520 no no we don't have any dog park there yet there's still 63 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:39,360 we're gonna try and finish off the parking and other stuff and we'll try 64 00:04:37,280 --> 00:04:42,960 and wrap that into that there's just you can tell there's more discussion 65 00:04:41,199 --> 00:04:45,280 that need to be had this it's in easton park 66 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:57,360 kind of like behind the eye on 500 east okay 67 00:04:53,199 --> 00:04:59,840 sounds good and um let's see 68 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:05,919 is there any questions for camden about those updates 69 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:13,039 no it looks like it's all coming along really well 70 00:05:09,759 --> 00:05:16,080 you know yeah well then um when did you say you were gonna start 71 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:19,440 that um dog park at the art diary is that gonna be 72 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:22,720 like on the last little bit once you've got the parking 73 00:05:21,039 --> 00:05:26,160 done on the back side yeah there's there's no set date there's 74 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:29,759 no funding none that's locked in i think we still 75 00:05:27,919 --> 00:05:33,199 want to pursue it but we kind of just have to 76 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:37,120 continue master planning so there there's we want to take that 77 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:39,600 parking lot and try and wrap it around and then there's some property 78 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:43,919 acquisition tied to that and we need to do like a roundabout 79 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:46,560 so there's a bunch of work we're we're working on 80 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:50,720 we're hoping to tie a plan for the dog park in there too so it'll be time to 81 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:54,479 discuss and do those sort of like stakeholder involvement as we as we 82 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:58,479 want during the process but nothing's on the books yet 83 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:06,240 um and i thought it was really nice i was able to go up to the ribbon cutting 84 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:13,199 at the new art die facility um the 85 00:06:10,479 --> 00:06:14,840 concessions and score keeping and i don't know what do you call that 86 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:19,919 building multi-purpose room building or what 87 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:25,280 yeah i've been called the scorekeeper tower but it yeah it does have 88 00:06:21,840 --> 00:06:29,199 storage yeah and that was that was really nice and the mayor gave 89 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:35,520 a good good little uh ribbon cutting 90 00:06:32,479 --> 00:06:38,960 speech as in clark and rob and uh that'll be a great facility and i 91 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:43,840 understand that adult softball is going to start here 92 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:50,080 pretty quick yes i believe so 93 00:06:47,199 --> 00:06:54,800 all right and then uh false soccer also i think is 94 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:59,360 registration's up and everything as i understand it but don't ask any 95 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,360 follow-up questions because i wouldn't 96 00:07:00,840 --> 00:07:11,840 okay soccer i'm coaching uh my son will and and uh so that's getting 97 00:07:07,840 --> 00:07:18,880 he has his first game this saturday cool all right awesome 98 00:07:16,639 --> 00:07:23,120 my my kids participated in the chalk festival and i understand that 99 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:26,479 the park program they funded part of that 100 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:29,919 and i thought that was it was just wonderfully 101 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:34,000 ran i think it was very enriching to the entire community 102 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:39,680 it was good for those who participated i thought that was a very good use 103 00:07:35,759 --> 00:07:44,960 of funds it was great i mean it was something that pretty much anybody could 104 00:07:41,759 --> 00:07:49,759 safely do and go look at and be a part of so i thought that that was 105 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:54,080 something great that the park program kind of sponsored so 106 00:07:54,160 --> 00:08:01,599 yep and it was really nice i don't know some of us went up to art i went up for 107 00:07:59,599 --> 00:08:06,960 fireworks and stuff and um it was really really nice not 108 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:10,800 have any of those uh soccer news soccer fields parked on i 109 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:14,080 know there are a lot of people on them and you know a lot of people throwing 110 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:19,280 blankets out and everything um but it was just a different 111 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:22,639 atmosphere which was maybe a good thing without the carnival there and without 112 00:08:21,919 --> 00:08:26,800 the mass numbers of people trying to jam 113 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:32,000 into that i mean art dies big but if you had 114 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:36,479 half the population try to jam in there it'd be pretty tight 115 00:08:33,839 --> 00:08:40,880 hopefully we can do that again next year yes 116 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:44,959 that would be nice um great um i i should uh recant what i 117 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:49,760 said um it's not this saturday but the 118 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:55,040 saturday after i don't know that matters to many people but i 119 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:59,839 misspoke on on when fall soccer starts well and peter just from past experience 120 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:04,160 if you volunteered this time you will be a soccer coach for the next 10 years 121 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:09,839 that's probably how it ends up like giving any 122 00:09:07,680 --> 00:09:15,440 any other sport your uh kids are interested in you'll probably coach that 123 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:20,320 anyway but it's all fun it was all good um 124 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:26,560 all right then uh did the committee members have a chance to go over the 125 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:30,320 parks map and look at the trails uh in the past month or so 126 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:38,240 i i personally looked over at all again um i don't know what areas you 127 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:41,279 want to discuss first or in preparation for the city 128 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:47,839 council meeting next month well i 129 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:52,240 you know and i'll let peter and nathan kind of speak to this 130 00:09:48,959 --> 00:09:57,200 but i was interested in the in the the rectangular land just south of the 131 00:09:55,839 --> 00:10:01,839 church and north of boat harbor is that is that property 132 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:06,240 that the city has acquired because it shows up similar to the rest 133 00:10:04,560 --> 00:10:08,640 of the parts as far as color and everything 134 00:10:09,680 --> 00:10:15,279 there you go no we don't have it acquired if i suspect 135 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:19,440 uh when you look at the map you see these generic circles that don't really 136 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:22,480 line up with anything and then you see that property that you're talking about 137 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:27,040 that was a very definite rectangle and i think at the time when 138 00:10:24,399 --> 00:10:31,680 they looked at it they saw that it was had the river going through it and so it 139 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:35,040 really didn't have a developable use for it for that reason and so i think 140 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:39,440 they felt safe to vaping the committee and then 141 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:44,560 the staff at the time felt safe to kind of really delineate it as 142 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:47,839 as an option for park space but even we're talking with the property 143 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:52,160 owner even now and i think they're in california actually um and 144 00:10:50,399 --> 00:10:58,399 it's it's yet another one where they they see dollar signs in their eyes 145 00:10:55,600 --> 00:11:04,160 um as we're approaching him about about the property so we've already taken 146 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:08,800 the discussion to acquire it right i think that butts up against the buck 147 00:11:06,079 --> 00:11:15,680 walder's property i'm not sure um so i i think i missed uh 148 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:19,440 the email or maybe i just didn't notice it um was there an email that 149 00:11:17,839 --> 00:11:24,800 that had that drawing on there along with uh some trails 150 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:28,320 i i yeah i sent um there was a 10 i think it's 10 or 11 151 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:34,880 page park master plan it had 152 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:39,519 some brief descriptions and then at the end it had a map of all the parks in 153 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:45,120 american fork and it's on the city link too but like 154 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:50,720 camden pointed out it shows two or three circles which are unidentified 155 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,720 there we go right there 156 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:58,639 so this uh one over here on the right this pink one 157 00:11:56,959 --> 00:12:00,959 you know you see these generic oh no sorry it's this one actually yeah it's 158 00:12:00,399 --> 00:12:06,079 that one um these generic circles here but then 159 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:09,040 this very specific property here um and we're still interested and we're 160 00:12:07,680 --> 00:12:12,399 still wanting to work with them on that just because it i mean it would be a 161 00:12:10,560 --> 00:12:15,519 perfect river trail uh the river the wash the river going 162 00:12:14,079 --> 00:12:18,720 through it we have there's great opportunities there but 163 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:24,880 it's just a matter of purchasing and acquiring it 164 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:29,360 gotcha has anybody approached uh ferris blacker she used to be a member 165 00:12:26,560 --> 00:12:35,839 of the committee he owns the property um oh just 166 00:12:32,959 --> 00:12:38,000 just north and it's a big section there's actually a blackhurst lane that 167 00:12:37,680 --> 00:12:43,279 leads to his house i think he has alfalfa on 168 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:48,480 most of it and it's just it's everything east and north of that 169 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,480 little rectangle 170 00:12:49,839 --> 00:12:55,760 i'm almost i feel very confident that they he's been approached 171 00:12:53,920 --> 00:13:00,639 uh you're talking about for park space or dubai acquire park 172 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:05,600 i'm sorry you froze up camden can you hear me 173 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:09,200 yeah okay sorry you're talking about is he being 174 00:13:06,560 --> 00:13:14,320 approached regarding acquiring land or park space yep 175 00:13:12,560 --> 00:13:18,720 i haven't been part of any conversations that's not to say that hasn't happened 176 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:23,920 you know prior to me or through public works somewhere but i'll 177 00:13:20,399 --> 00:13:27,519 i'll follow up and ask i just see but i i know him personally i've talked to him 178 00:13:25,680 --> 00:13:30,880 a number of times and i don't know if which uh 179 00:13:31,680 --> 00:13:38,000 church wards meet in that building but peter might have 180 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:42,000 might know him too but um yeah he owns that big section there and then 181 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:44,880 there's buckwalders that own on the other side of that road that splits 182 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:50,560 those two large areas anyway 183 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:55,120 i know who the buck walters are i'm not sure about the other owner but 184 00:13:52,079 --> 00:13:58,560 um uh in the past we another thing we've talked about 185 00:13:55,920 --> 00:14:02,240 in approaching um some of these land owners 186 00:14:00,639 --> 00:14:06,639 i don't imagine this would work with everybody but it i'm guessing it will 187 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:10,959 work with it would help with some and that is that um art die uh was 188 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:15,680 donated and or at least some property was 189 00:14:14,079 --> 00:14:19,120 donated and then our die was purchased with 190 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:24,399 money that was sold from that with some namesake involved 191 00:14:20,959 --> 00:14:28,240 and um some of these some of these uh owners these landowners out there might 192 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:34,800 be interested in uh working 193 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:38,079 working something out with the city um so that they have some namesake in a 194 00:14:36,639 --> 00:14:42,079 park and so uh camden you mentioned uh you a lot of 195 00:14:41,199 --> 00:14:45,760 these guys see when they get approached they see 196 00:14:43,839 --> 00:14:49,680 dollars um some people might also be interested in 197 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:53,199 just simply having some namesake in a community that they 198 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:56,639 uh have lived in their a long period of their life and 199 00:14:54,639 --> 00:15:00,720 um you know what i mean same thing with with art die he 200 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:04,639 we the park was named after after art diane so 201 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:13,839 there might be some of that that could could help in acquiring the property 202 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:13,839 i agree i think i think it'd be good 203 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:18,560 like i envisioned maybe writing a letter from like the mayor 204 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:22,399 you know writing a letter to each of these people making that request 205 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:25,440 and kind of saying we can name it after you or something but we're just asking 206 00:15:24,079 --> 00:15:30,880 for this well and and i know the of the buck or 207 00:15:28,959 --> 00:15:34,800 not buck walters buckwalder's purchase they used to live down here by me and 208 00:15:32,399 --> 00:15:40,000 then they purchased that property 30 years ago but blackhursts have been 209 00:15:38,079 --> 00:15:44,480 in american fort for two or three generations and he's had 210 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:49,120 that property as long as i mean he might be 211 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:53,360 i don't know when he acquired it but it's been 50 plus years ago 212 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:57,279 so yeah that might be something along the way well and scott 213 00:15:54,959 --> 00:16:01,440 we talked about it would be great as a committee to meet together 214 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:07,199 once we know what we're asking for and what we can add to it as a city 215 00:16:03,759 --> 00:16:10,560 and pick the best person not saying that the mayor isn't the best person by any 216 00:16:09,199 --> 00:16:14,240 means but just those that have the highest personal 217 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:17,360 relationships those that um have the highest trust relationships 218 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:20,639 i think it would be great to involve and not 219 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:24,000 just a blanket letter it might be good to go personally with 220 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:29,519 someone right yeah and i i'm pretty sure i i'd 221 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:33,759 have to talk to mayor frost but i think ferris he got put on the 222 00:16:33,199 --> 00:16:40,800 committee at my suggestion before i was the uh 223 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:45,360 chairperson and then i'm pretty sure he knows 224 00:16:41,839 --> 00:16:48,880 i'm pretty sure uh ferris knows mayor frost and uh two or three others 225 00:16:48,079 --> 00:16:54,959 on the committee on the uh city council but yes that's an 226 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:57,839 excellent suggestion i mean i'd i'd be more than willing to be a part of 227 00:16:56,320 --> 00:17:01,279 that i run into him every once in a while 228 00:16:58,959 --> 00:17:05,439 he still plays racquetball up at the rec center 229 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:08,480 so i i was going to add of all you know what lisa said thank you for because i 230 00:17:07,039 --> 00:17:11,199 think that's an important part of this i also think it'd be 231 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:14,640 helpful if we kind of went through the updating of the master plan 232 00:17:12,959 --> 00:17:19,919 specifically this map that we're looking at here because i really feel like 233 00:17:17,199 --> 00:17:23,120 the general targeted areas that we may want to focus our attention or efforts 234 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:26,640 on have changed since this map and so if we 235 00:17:25,439 --> 00:17:31,039 can get that updated and we feel confident about what we see 236 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:34,320 then we can make these uh these just have these discussions with property 237 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:36,400 owners and maybe we do send a letter out to everyone there and see what we can 238 00:17:35,679 --> 00:17:39,600 get but i do think it'd be good to maybe 239 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:44,559 have tailored you know conversations with uh people 240 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:49,360 um on the areas that we're most interested in 241 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:58,640 so camden this was addressed a few months ago but can you comment on 242 00:17:53,520 --> 00:18:03,039 your envision or vision of a master plan because we were basically told you can't 243 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:07,760 ever really have a master plan it's great to have a general can you 244 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,760 guys hear me okay okay 245 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:12,799 you can or not 246 00:18:13,120 --> 00:18:19,760 we can hear there's just some some feedback when you're talking 247 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:23,600 yeah can i also give a plug that we should meet outside 248 00:18:21,039 --> 00:18:27,679 with masks on six feet apart next time maybe 249 00:18:24,559 --> 00:18:32,400 because zoom is really hard but on a master plan 250 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:36,400 it is hard when you have the mayor and the city administrator 251 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:40,000 telling us that they can't ever really make a master plan 252 00:18:37,679 --> 00:18:43,039 that city council can always change that which i understand 253 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:48,720 but i wonder if some of these property owners would like something that 254 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:54,799 is concrete as long as well as city um people who live in the city i'm sorry 255 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:57,840 guys i haven't eaten um people who we want to vote what citizens 256 00:18:57,039 --> 00:19:01,360 um that would love to say yeah we want to 257 00:18:59,679 --> 00:19:04,480 vote for parks tax again but we want to have a plan and see it 258 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:07,840 come to fruition in the near future even if that's five 259 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:11,120 or ten years but we're not going to do a plan and then in 260 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:13,520 a year change it and then a year change it 261 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:16,400 and then a year change well so the plan we have here is 262 00:19:14,799 --> 00:19:19,679 if you've read through it it's still pretty applicable today and it was done 263 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:24,480 in 2015. and i i would i wouldn't listen to the 264 00:19:22,799 --> 00:19:27,520 the one the meetings that i had missed where some of these discussions were had 265 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:31,440 where i i'm hearing that the advice that barbara or david 266 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:36,160 gave was that master plans aren't useful and i do not 267 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:39,200 feel that that's what they were even saying i think they were acknowledging 268 00:19:37,919 --> 00:19:44,240 that the council could change a plan 269 00:19:42,559 --> 00:19:48,400 but realistically even then when they're talking about that the process 270 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:52,160 is council's like we want to update this plan or we want to make this change 271 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:54,559 they would then go to you guys the committee and say we would like to make 272 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:58,320 this change so at no portion would you guys not be 273 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:00,640 involved or with a master plan not being followed whatever the master plan is at 274 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:04,159 the time that's what they're adhering to and 275 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:06,559 following they just may want to update it or change it but they would involve 276 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:10,400 you in doing that like that was the message i got when i 277 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:13,520 wouldn't listen to those things i don't know if it was said as concisely 278 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:16,799 or in so many words but i don't think they were ever saying 279 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:20,960 just get rid of the master plan we don't follow it well and i don't think 280 00:20:18,799 --> 00:20:26,080 oh go ahead scott well i was just gonna say i think the 281 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:30,159 impression was yes there's a master plan this is just like a really short version 282 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:34,320 of what came out of that meeting is yes there's a master plan yes it's important 283 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:38,400 but the city council can change it pretty much 284 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:43,039 depending on who's in office and uh group decisions 285 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:47,679 so there would have to be a good reason to change it 286 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:52,080 any plan has to be flexible you don't want to set something now 287 00:20:49,919 --> 00:20:57,200 and have to stick to it 10 years from now when everything has changed 288 00:20:54,640 --> 00:21:01,120 right it has to be flexible that's all we're saying 289 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:04,720 yeah and and i understand that i think it was just 290 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:11,679 we've been going back and forth on the need for parks on the south side 291 00:21:07,120 --> 00:21:15,120 and i think um kind of not leaving that topic i know it's 292 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:18,559 something that bothers all of us because i've seen it happen over the 293 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:22,320 past 30 years that i've been an american fort 294 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:25,360 things have changed slightly not throwing the baby out with the bathwater 295 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:30,080 i think everybody in this meeting now and the city council 296 00:21:28,159 --> 00:21:36,480 are all on the same page as far as getting park space it is harder 297 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:39,760 to like most like those circles that are on there 298 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:42,880 there city doesn't own any of that property right now and it's proposed and 299 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:46,799 those aren't like uh you know there's no acreage 300 00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:50,240 assigned to those circles of how big or how small they are it's 301 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:53,600 just that's kind of what's there right now is 302 00:21:53,039 --> 00:21:57,919 that not right camden yeah this is the 303 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:00,400 recommendation but we would want to update that and i think we have more 304 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:06,960 specific data we can use to update this with one 305 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:10,840 one thing that would help me a lot is that 306 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:16,799 all that land south and east of mountain meadows 307 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:23,760 um if is there i mean is there like a designation 308 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:30,080 of what is considered the wetlands or protected lands there 309 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:33,440 uh it has it hasn't been surveyed marked off so we know exactly what's usable and 310 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:36,559 what's not usable yeah i don't have that but i know i i i 311 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:40,640 saw it once over at public works so i know they have 312 00:22:38,559 --> 00:22:44,720 some army corps of engineer survey map of that area so i would need 313 00:22:43,120 --> 00:22:48,720 to take a look at it again um yeah i i think that's all part of the 314 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,919 discussion of updating this thing i think it'd be really good to look at 315 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:54,480 that see what we can do add that to this yeah 316 00:22:52,720 --> 00:23:00,320 and then and then over uh west of mountain 317 00:22:58,159 --> 00:23:08,000 meadows um is there a good i mean those two 318 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:14,159 circles are kind of right where the uh big high density 319 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:17,840 apartment developments are right yeah and the space 320 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:20,799 and open space and all those requirements are just real fundamentally 321 00:23:19,919 --> 00:23:24,559 different in that space more or less we could 322 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,919 almost overlay the tod the trans-oriented 323 00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:34,640 development here and then we would adapt where our 324 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:38,000 where these dots are for less description we would adapt those kind of 325 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:41,679 move them over here in coverage because the the density and 326 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:45,360 the park space requirements here are completely different so there's not 327 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:49,919 there's not an expectation to have a formal regular park 328 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:52,240 in the tod the code for the tod is written 329 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:56,799 that way it will have different green spaces different types and sizes 330 00:23:55,279 --> 00:24:00,720 that we could include but it won't necessarily be city owned 331 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:04,480 and it's just the requirements are very different so that's that's an example of 332 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:10,720 one of the real things we need to update on this plan on this map specifically 333 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:16,720 camden and barbara can you comment um our parks tax comes back up in two years 334 00:24:13,679 --> 00:24:20,720 is that correct yeah okay and there's some discretionary monies 335 00:24:19,039 --> 00:24:24,799 still in a fund that has to be used or i don't want to 336 00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:27,919 say used or lose but kind of like that that's a large amount 337 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:31,440 that the city is trying to debate what to do with in parks is that correct 338 00:24:29,679 --> 00:24:38,080 still uh discrete like like our impact fees 339 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:40,799 or parking pipes no i thought i had heard 340 00:24:39,039 --> 00:24:44,080 that there was a couple million dollars that 341 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:49,200 maybe it was a grant it was discussed a few meetings ago maybe it was a grant or 342 00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:56,000 oh yeah yeah you're probably referring to the county grant for the boat harbor 343 00:24:51,279 --> 00:24:56,000 oh yeah yeah and how much is that 344 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:05,600 1.5 around there all right was there 345 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:08,720 something in like the five million uh that's something that rob mentioned 346 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:12,720 to me that and i think that is i don't know if 347 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:17,120 that's impact fees or money that the city set aside but 348 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:20,640 yeah he said there was like four or five million 349 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:25,840 that could be used to purchase the city could use to purchase 350 00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:30,960 property to do a park so do you know about that camden um 351 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:34,080 i'm not gonna i guess i i don't i don't know exactly what he's talking about i 352 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:38,080 know we've got some money and impact fees 353 00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:42,880 that grant will potentially so unless we can get specific approval or allowance 354 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:46,240 for something different than that i guess what i'm wondering is as a 355 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:49,520 committee can you give us some direction on what money 356 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:55,200 is truly available that we can give input to be used 357 00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:59,039 yeah i can i can find fun balances for all of those things 358 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:04,799 or a general i mean we talk about every month how expensive things are 359 00:26:02,159 --> 00:26:08,559 but we also talk about it's not reality sometimes what we're expecting 360 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:13,440 but i'm not sure we know what's truly there to be used and what 361 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:18,559 isn't like we talked about the past few months some extra pickleball courts 362 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:22,720 it is something that's being used all the time 363 00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:27,200 everyone that we have in the city so if if there's some areas in this next month 364 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:31,600 preparing to go before city council if there are some parameters that you 365 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:35,600 can give us to say hey this is truly what we have or what needs to be used 366 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:40,240 before the end of the year or next year or before parks tax 367 00:26:37,039 --> 00:26:40,240 i think that would be helpful 368 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:45,600 yeah put that together i think it's so we've been we've talked about that kind 369 00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:48,960 of thing most money we have but comparing that to 370 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:53,120 like how much it actually would cost buy an acre of land down south so that 371 00:26:51,279 --> 00:26:55,200 we can have better perspective of both sides 372 00:26:53,679 --> 00:26:59,760 how much revenue we have and what the costs are and so we were gonna 373 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:03,520 find some comparable data to expenses as well and 374 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:06,640 i can i can put that together um so you're what you're hoping for that 375 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:10,240 information prior to the city council meeting 376 00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:12,640 in september well i i actually thought we were going to have more city council 377 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:16,159 members at this meeting but i guess there were 378 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:20,480 some parameters about who can meet when which just to put on 379 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:23,600 note i would love to have every city council member at every meeting that 380 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:27,520 they want to attend i'm not sure why they couldn't attend 381 00:27:26,399 --> 00:27:31,279 every meeting i think they're the people who can make 382 00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:36,080 a change and hopefully hear all of the information 383 00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:39,679 but yes is next month when we present what we would like to have for 384 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:44,399 the master plan is that correct that yeah that's when uh when i've been 385 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:48,080 told that we're going to have the meeting with 386 00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:52,559 the city council if not all but uh most probably at least three city 387 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:57,279 councilmen and probably mayor which is fantastic 388 00:27:55,760 --> 00:28:00,960 because i think there's some issues that have just been circling circling 389 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:04,880 circling which would be great to address and see what we can do but again 390 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,919 if we show up not prepared with what's reality 391 00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:13,760 financially and land accessibility i'm not sure 392 00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:17,279 we'll get a lot done well and i just think most of it i think 393 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:23,600 we need to stress the committee's feeling 394 00:28:20,559 --> 00:28:27,279 of the importance of expanding uh the park space down on the south side 395 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:32,240 because usually and this is a philosophical 396 00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:36,720 thing on my part and i don't know if nathan's got 397 00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:43,520 any any evidence of this but if there's uh some high density housing 398 00:28:40,399 --> 00:28:50,640 with some minimal space that developers and then the hoa 399 00:28:46,559 --> 00:28:56,480 or whatever decide on for park when those get full and the 400 00:28:53,679 --> 00:29:00,880 kids teenagers whatever and this is a generalized statement and i don't mean 401 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:04,240 this about everybody's kids because mine aren't uh aren't like that and 402 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:08,960 haven't been but when they run out of things to do 403 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:12,880 then they go find things to do and sometimes it's not the best things 404 00:29:11,279 --> 00:29:17,840 that they find to do and that's the importance of having 405 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:19,919 park space for me especially on the south side where they don't have 406 00:29:19,039 --> 00:29:23,679 anything they've got those two or three or four 407 00:29:21,919 --> 00:29:28,320 high density projects out on the west side by the front runner 408 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:33,360 across the street from front runner and they're everybody wants something to 409 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:40,480 do and if you provide that through parks and recreation and trails 410 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:44,240 it takes i mean that's just what and i know peter and nathan and everybody's 411 00:29:42,399 --> 00:29:51,120 talk about that that's what that's what draws good people 412 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:55,600 into a city or makes them want to settle in a place and 413 00:29:53,840 --> 00:30:01,760 raise a family and that's something that 414 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:06,399 you know i think we really need to focus on the south side 415 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:14,320 and the quarter mile rule is a stretch but um anyway that's my two cents on 416 00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:17,200 the importance of uh expanding the park space down there i mean i was looking at 417 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:21,600 the map and rotary park which i consider to be a 418 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:25,679 pretty good sized park for you know the middle of the city it's got 419 00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:33,679 a base full-size baseball field lots of uh shade and big playground 420 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:38,240 and two pavilions i mean with the growth there on the south side of the freeway 421 00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:42,159 they'd need at least two that size and i don't know what the 422 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:47,039 acreage is on rotary or whatever but it would be nice if they had at least 423 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,039 two parks that size 424 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:54,480 um scott um yeah i definitely uh second 425 00:30:53,440 --> 00:31:02,080 what you're saying um and uh 426 00:30:58,559 --> 00:31:08,080 with our community the hoa put in this retention this water retention area that 427 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:10,320 they put grass on that's a park it doesn't have like playground 428 00:31:09,039 --> 00:31:16,000 equipment or anything it's just an open grass area 429 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:20,399 and with the growth that's happening around 430 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:25,200 harbor village we see people we see a lot of members from um the 431 00:31:23,519 --> 00:31:29,279 surrounding neighborhoods coming to that park as though it's a 432 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:34,080 city park and it's not it's it's private land it's 433 00:31:31,279 --> 00:31:40,720 hoa land that we maintain and we pay for as an hoa um and 434 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:44,960 that that issue is going to just get worse and wor 435 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:49,279 and worse if the city doesn't uh take care of uh the people that are 436 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:55,679 moving in with appropriate park space 437 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:57,679 okay so i have a really quick question um 438 00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:01,919 and it's been a concern of mine for quite some time when i moved in 439 00:31:59,519 --> 00:32:06,480 to i'm in the northwest part of american fork 440 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:11,600 when i moved in like parks were built immediately in like henley park is like 441 00:32:08,799 --> 00:32:18,399 two blocks away from me our specific area is dotted with lots of 442 00:32:15,039 --> 00:32:23,760 different parks so how were we able to afford parks back then 443 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:29,760 and we're not able to afford them now like what did we do then 444 00:32:25,919 --> 00:32:33,440 that made it so we could have parks is there anybody that can answer that 445 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:43,039 landlord i don't know how land was set aside for that 446 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:46,799 other than um i don't yeah that's a cause we we should just do that 447 00:32:46,159 --> 00:32:52,000 again nathan what were you saying i i just 448 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:57,360 said land was probably much much cheaper back then 449 00:32:53,360 --> 00:33:00,799 yeah and so then probably made it easy so then hopefully if there really is a 450 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:06,960 couple million in park impact fees before 451 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:11,600 it goes somewhere else maybe we can make that a priority in the south side 452 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,799 and that's a good thought that's that's the other thing i was going to say is 453 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:18,880 land has increased but i'm sure the impact fee has also the 454 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:25,279 park impact fees have also increased and the 455 00:33:21,919 --> 00:33:29,200 tax revenue has also increased right and i'm not sure all those should 456 00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:32,559 all of those should increase together and i think i think camden's going to 457 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:38,320 look into all the uh funding possibilities that 458 00:33:36,159 --> 00:33:41,840 the city has to include the park tax and the 459 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:44,559 impact fees i mean he's he said he will do that 460 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:48,799 and like you said with my casual conversations 461 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:53,200 uh with a couple of city councilmen there's 462 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:55,919 some money there and um i think the barber's 463 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:59,919 expressed this in a number of our meetings and i think 464 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:03,760 city councils on board is you know if we have the money 465 00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:08,639 let's get something at least purchased that we can 466 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:13,679 work on is and it goes back to you know this committee is on the same 467 00:34:11,599 --> 00:34:19,679 page with the city and with the city employees that 468 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:23,679 work the parks and develop the parks everybody's on the same page here it's 469 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:29,119 just how do we approach this in a more uh concert in concert with one 470 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:34,000 another as opposed to feeling like somebody's not on board 471 00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:37,280 with this because i think everybody's on board it's just how do we do this how do 472 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,399 we get it done how do we get the funding and once we 473 00:34:38,720 --> 00:34:44,159 get the land then uh we really have an impact on what the 474 00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:50,960 park can look like and and what would be in the park 475 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,960 anyway um 476 00:34:51,520 --> 00:35:01,680 so back to the master plan um is there a way 477 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:05,119 that you know i don't know the rotary park's 10 acres and i don't know 478 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,320 if peter feels like a couple of parts like 479 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:13,599 that would suffice for that and that you know area 480 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:18,880 that he's in where it's more privately owned 481 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,880 not as high density population 482 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:32,160 or nathan i think it would be uh helpful um i i to be honest i don't know what 483 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:36,400 uh i think probably a better way to determine 484 00:35:33,359 --> 00:35:40,560 a good way to determine what size needs to be down here based off of population 485 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:45,920 and i i don't have the population growth and all of those numbers that 486 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:50,320 the city would but um i know sorry peter i know orem has a formula where they 487 00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:52,800 determine the acreage of parks based on the population 488 00:35:51,280 --> 00:36:01,599 does american fork have something similar to that yeah 489 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:04,240 yeah sorry the the master plan is what we would do 490 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:07,599 there's a level of service standard that we have in the master plan 491 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:12,880 that would kind of drop the number of acres we would have uh 492 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:17,680 here in the 2015 one it says 6.25 acres per 1 000 people population 493 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:21,200 we can decide if we want to keep that or up it or or how would we 494 00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:24,800 are we meeting it right now even at its current standard 495 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:28,079 we were meeting it back then but that's part of the update is i need to go 496 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:31,200 inventory all the parks and we need to pull the latest population numbers and 497 00:36:29,839 --> 00:36:34,960 kind of see where we're at that'll be telling too but that's the 498 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:38,800 that's those are the updates that i think we should work on uh doing 499 00:36:37,359 --> 00:36:44,480 that's the data that will help make the decisions and drive the recommendations 500 00:36:41,359 --> 00:36:47,760 is there go ahead is there is it possible that we can get all that 501 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:52,880 updated before our meeting in september and i'm i'm not 502 00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:56,320 sure we'll have to work with the city council barbara can go back and 503 00:36:54,960 --> 00:37:01,680 find out what works best for a date in september to meet 504 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:05,839 with the city council it might not be the second wednesday or whatever but um 505 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:09,920 yeah it'd be the 8th or the 22nd and in terms of getting 506 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,079 it updated i'll see what i can do i think we can get a lot of helpful 507 00:37:11,119 --> 00:37:15,599 information there's a couple of these maps i think 508 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:19,280 it'd be good to get updated the area map the 509 00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:22,400 quarter and half acre or half mile radius map to kind of show us how we 510 00:37:21,599 --> 00:37:25,520 would try and fulfill those coverages um we'll see 511 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,960 what see what i can do work with our gis and 512 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:36,000 our planning and public works to get that updated camden 513 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:41,599 do you have any access to the upcoming building you know like it just would be 514 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:45,200 good to take into consideration at least the next within the next couple years 515 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:49,200 the population increase within the next couple years like if 516 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:53,680 you're going to have another big tod come in i think that that would be 517 00:37:51,359 --> 00:37:58,079 useful to take into consideration when you're looking at your population 518 00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:00,880 do you know what i mean yeah i know what i mean so that's part of the discussion 519 00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:04,480 that that's why it's it's not as easy as just 520 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,800 like drawing a circle on it at this point 521 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:09,920 you want to be more accurate but that's why i said include public works and 522 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:13,520 planning and stuff is to kind of say what's in the hopper right now 523 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:17,680 and then we can go to our population projections through mountain land 524 00:38:15,839 --> 00:38:20,880 associative governments they provide projections there 525 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:23,680 and we kind of use all of that to kind of say what's the total amount of acres 526 00:38:23,359 --> 00:38:29,040 we we project will need at build out 527 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:33,599 and what do we think we'll need in the next little bit based off 528 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:37,359 what's currently in the hopper for development 529 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:39,599 and um based off that information where do we want to 530 00:38:38,079 --> 00:38:42,079 place these parts and how big do we want them to be 531 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:48,960 and then i was just going to say looking at my calendar however 532 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:52,400 the 8th and 22nd are the second and fourth tuesdays 533 00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:57,920 wouldn't we be looking at first and third yeah thanks sorry 534 00:38:54,480 --> 00:39:00,160 i did a quick look yeah did i selected the city council beings not the work 535 00:38:59,359 --> 00:39:05,119 sessions yeah and camden i know you 536 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:09,119 generally have a meeting that conflicts with ours can we do one that you can 537 00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:09,119 come to 538 00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:17,200 the city council work session that's on a tuesday um 539 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:20,079 so like if we did the 15th would you guys be able to attend the city council 540 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:26,880 work session it's those are typically four to six well and 541 00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:33,280 the key word there is a 10 because i'm i'm 100 with lisa i will wear 542 00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:37,280 a gown and goggles and gloves and a mask or whatever 543 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:40,240 just so we can meet together because even 544 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:45,599 this is better than the last meeting but there's still a lot of breakup and 545 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:48,720 and echoing and feedback and all sorts of stuff 546 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:54,160 and is the city council meeting together or do they plan on meeting together next 547 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:58,640 month so right now they're doing via zoom um and 548 00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:02,240 there hasn't been any problems for them but i think they've got a point now 549 00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:06,240 where they've determined the secure reliable lines or networks or whatever 550 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:10,640 that they can go off of and they use those 551 00:40:07,119 --> 00:40:13,920 i don't know of any in september to change from that so as 552 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:19,040 right right now it would be a zoom meeting 553 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:25,280 okay so that does speak to us preparing for uh that because 554 00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:27,680 i'm sure i don't and i don't know how much a lot of time i don't know if 555 00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:32,560 they're going to dedicate one whole work uh session to us 556 00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:37,040 and i don't know if that's the plan or not um 557 00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:39,839 yeah i think right now if let's just say it's the 15th 558 00:40:38,079 --> 00:40:42,079 i don't know that for sure but if that's the case i don't know if there's 559 00:40:41,119 --> 00:40:45,359 anything any other agenda item set but as i 560 00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:49,599 approach that generally other stuff will be added to 561 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:52,880 it and they kind of feel out how big these things are going to be 562 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,640 i think we would be taking up quite a bit of time so they'll try to keep the 563 00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:59,040 rest light but it would be good to maybe 564 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:02,720 discuss kind of the strategy who's going to 565 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:07,599 speak so that we're very focused and specific 566 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:12,240 and and what you guys want to do yeah um real quick uh this might be 567 00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:16,960 backtracking just a little bit but back to the topic of 568 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:23,200 um what uh what is capable of doing 569 00:41:20,079 --> 00:41:26,640 um as far as purchasing land uh in this area 570 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:29,440 um some pieces of information that maybe i missed 571 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:31,920 maybe maybe we have this information already i've 572 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:36,400 kind of asked for it in previous meetings and maybe it's uh 573 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:39,119 camden maybe you have it on on your list of tasks of things you're trying to 574 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:42,640 figure out i don't know but um two pieces of information that i 575 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:47,599 think would help answer that question well 576 00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:53,280 one is how much is the land uh per acre i know we've thrown out 577 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:56,000 three hundred thousand dollars per acre and i don't i don't 578 00:41:54,400 --> 00:42:01,440 know where that number started i think it was just thrown out loosely 579 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:04,079 by i'm not sure who um but i would be shocked if the 580 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:10,000 it could be i would be shocked if the land was actually 300 000 581 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:13,760 uh in an area that has a high water table 582 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:16,000 um so that getting closer to the lake in some of these areas we're looking to put 583 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:19,760 a park um somebody can't be realistically 584 00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:24,160 thinking that they're gonna do massive projects with a high water 585 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:28,319 table right and so and therefore the land isn't gonna be 586 00:42:25,839 --> 00:42:32,560 worth what it is in areas that could do large projects you could do a 587 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:36,319 park but you couldn't do a massive project right with 588 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:40,160 a high water table so so the land's going to be less than i 589 00:42:38,319 --> 00:42:46,240 think a lot of us are thinking right now um as one but it'd be 590 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:50,800 it'd be good to get some actual ver some somehow figure that out for sure get 591 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:55,520 some get some comps somehow i'm not sure how or uh maybe talk to the 592 00:42:54,079 --> 00:42:58,560 talk to individuals that own the land there and say how much are you looking 593 00:42:57,119 --> 00:43:01,839 for this land and anyways i don't know get get a better 594 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:05,440 number than what was ever was thrown out at 300 000 per acre i 595 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:08,960 just don't know where that number came from i think it was loosely thrown out 596 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:15,119 and then the other piece that i am really con curious about 597 00:43:11,839 --> 00:43:22,160 is in the last 10 years how much money has been collected in impact fees 598 00:43:19,359 --> 00:43:26,800 on this southwest area because i think that number's a lot 599 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:31,520 higher than then this group is aware of as well i think the the the cost to 600 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:34,400 purchase land is lower than what we're thinking 601 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:38,400 and i think the number that has been collected in the impact fees 602 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:43,440 is a lot higher so i'm curious about those two numbers specifically 603 00:43:41,119 --> 00:43:47,440 hey i apologize to the group my phone's about to die 604 00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:50,000 so if i cut out my phone die okay if you cut 605 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:55,839 out right now you're the one speaking for everybody 606 00:43:51,359 --> 00:43:55,839 at the city council meeting okay 607 00:43:55,920 --> 00:44:01,839 so um do you think do you think those numbers are attainable 608 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:04,240 are they really tricky this one as i said the first one we want to look into 609 00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:09,839 that um and we can figure out and you're right 610 00:44:17,119 --> 00:44:22,000 just going off of neighboring or similar or close proximity properties and how 611 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,920 much that land was but yeah if you if you get 612 00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:30,480 it up against the lake um you know where there's the the flood 613 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:34,960 plain stuff it'll be a different amount so we'll look at those costs 614 00:44:31,839 --> 00:44:38,640 um the impact fees localized to just below i-15 on the 615 00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:41,920 south side i don't i'm not saying no i just i have 616 00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:45,040 no idea if that's uh information we can parcel out we 617 00:44:43,839 --> 00:44:48,720 might be able to look at total impact fees and maybe that's our 618 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,880 starting point um but 619 00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:57,119 even if you can't come up with a well you know 620 00:44:57,599 --> 00:45:05,200 an accounting number let's say um we might be able to come up with uh 621 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:08,800 estimated or calculated number based off how many 622 00:45:05,839 --> 00:45:12,800 how many homes have gone in that area and multiply that by the 623 00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:18,160 the impact fee which i think is three or four thousand dollars and so 624 00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:21,280 um you know i yeah you get several hundred homes that have been 625 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:24,720 into that area and you multiply it by three or four thousand and it 626 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:29,520 yeah turns out to be quite a bit of money 627 00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:33,440 yeah it's there's a couple of things uh come on 628 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:36,560 comment on because there's no uh ordinance requirement to track the 629 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:42,640 impact fees that way i do and i'm not 630 00:45:39,839 --> 00:45:45,040 100 familiar with how the city did that but i'm pretty sure there's no 631 00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:52,640 requirement on an audit wise to show that 632 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:57,440 this area or all this money came from this area of town and all this money 633 00:45:54,800 --> 00:46:01,359 came from eastern park area or whatever and then the other thing everybody's got 634 00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:05,680 to realize and i've seen this over the past 30 years numerous 635 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:09,760 times and i don't know if all of you are aware there's supposed to be a causeway 636 00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:13,520 across utah lake that ends up somewhere between the boat 637 00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:20,000 harbor and over lee highway 638 00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:24,160 and the reason a lot of the holdup is anytime 639 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:28,720 a government state federal local whatever 640 00:46:25,359 --> 00:46:35,119 starts approaching property owners 9 out of 10 of them will 641 00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:38,480 ask at least a quarter to a third to a half more than 642 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:42,800 what the property is actually worth because they 643 00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:46,000 think the government has a bottomless pit of money 644 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:50,480 to throw out for their properties i know 645 00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:52,560 that's part of the causeway issue because 646 00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:57,280 i kind of know some people that were approached anyway 647 00:46:54,319 --> 00:47:01,839 um and and that makes it difficult because 648 00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:04,960 let's say an acre is really only 200 000 that might be to a developer that might 649 00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:09,040 be to you know a friend or family member 650 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:13,760 whatever but when the city or like you say state 651 00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:17,920 comes around and says we need your property 652 00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:22,480 um the dollar signs start flashing in people's heads and then 653 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:26,319 um and it's no different than that little rectangle 654 00:47:23,839 --> 00:47:29,440 spot there if you go down there it's wooded it's 655 00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:32,160 thick they did you know and these people live in california so i'm sure there's 656 00:47:31,359 --> 00:47:35,440 no interest in putting their name on it or 657 00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:38,559 whatever but they're just looking to make money 658 00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:41,599 and that's that they've been trying to i think the city's 659 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:46,240 tried to acquire that piece of land for the past 660 00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:53,119 12 years if i remember right they they've tried to purchase that a number 661 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:57,359 of times anyway but we can but cam is going to 662 00:47:56,160 --> 00:48:02,400 work on those figures so uh in preparation 663 00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:07,040 i can look at updating some of this general plan stuff 664 00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:10,640 on my end some of the data and it might help facilitate more of the 665 00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:14,000 discussion but i think it might be good if you guys 666 00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:17,119 maybe had a your own direction or stuff you wanted 667 00:48:15,839 --> 00:48:21,040 to to say to counsel too as i understand it's just to 668 00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:26,079 kind of solidify the importance and the need for 669 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:29,760 you know park space on the south side which i you know i i know they're aware 670 00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:33,040 of but i think it's any additional dollars beyond what we 671 00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:38,000 have you know we want to go towards this yes we can do 672 00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:42,000 it we'll do what it takes um well and and yeah and in this meeting 673 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:46,800 if we get these general figures on the on what monies 674 00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:50,559 are available and you know what funds could be used 675 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:54,800 for land purchase i think we do just really need 676 00:48:53,359 --> 00:48:58,880 to focus on what kind of space are we looking at are 677 00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:04,480 we looking at two 20 acre parks one one uh or two 678 00:49:02,079 --> 00:49:09,280 ten acre parts one 20 acre park is that going to be enough 679 00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:16,160 and i think you know i know it's hard to maybe prepare by the 15th of september 680 00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:23,760 um exactly we need kind of a pretty 681 00:49:19,599 --> 00:49:29,040 focused but general um acreage maybe i don't know but that's 682 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:33,280 what we need to kind of have in place it's 683 00:49:31,119 --> 00:49:37,599 and i don't know if we can put that together tonight 684 00:49:34,319 --> 00:49:40,800 or if we need to have another maybe interim meeting with the committee 685 00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:45,839 to talk about that i mean i think peter you'd be a good 686 00:49:43,839 --> 00:49:50,319 representative for our committee as far as 687 00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:53,359 presenting the need with us there to support you 688 00:49:51,359 --> 00:49:57,359 i know what everybody else how everybody else about that 689 00:49:54,400 --> 00:50:01,599 well and scott like you said it's not only just buying the land 690 00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:04,640 we've talked for years about trails that will connect to rotary park from the 691 00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:07,200 south side like we get i think we understand 692 00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:12,079 it doesn't all happen overnight it can't all happen right away 693 00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:18,400 but if we can put together um a plan that at least 694 00:50:15,599 --> 00:50:21,359 hey this is the what we have right now what can we do 695 00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:25,280 every year what what is some sort of progression so when parks tax comes back 696 00:50:23,359 --> 00:50:31,119 up citizens of american fork are going to want to vote for it again 697 00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:34,559 second you know how how can we um i don't want to say project the 698 00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:38,319 future but like rosanna said we should have some concrete numbers 699 00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:42,400 whether it's law or you know how they do it or not we really 700 00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:46,640 should have a good idea as a city what do we have where did we get it from 701 00:50:44,720 --> 00:50:50,160 and what are we planning on getting which is what i've talked about in the 702 00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:54,079 city council meeting a few months ago and in our committee 703 00:50:51,599 --> 00:50:58,960 we need to have builders be accountable and participate 704 00:50:55,520 --> 00:51:03,520 in giving land and helping with land that isn't swampland and so if we can 705 00:51:02,079 --> 00:51:05,680 look to the future to go not only how much are we going to collect from our 706 00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:10,000 own citizens and impact fees but what can we do in as 707 00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:13,440 far as a master plan as builders come before we completely 708 00:51:12,720 --> 00:51:16,960 build out which is where we're headed in the near 709 00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:20,640 future and that may be helpful in going to city 710 00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:24,319 council to say okay this is what we have this is what 711 00:51:23,359 --> 00:51:30,720 we'd like to see every year every five years in 10 years 712 00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:34,079 we talk about it all the time we need to improve our rec center 713 00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:38,319 we need a basketball gym where kids can play basketball 714 00:51:35,359 --> 00:51:42,640 not one in our city pickleball it's something that is for all ages 715 00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:46,160 and really in a time now where we have corona and who knows what's going to 716 00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:50,079 happen with school or whatever else we need great recreational 717 00:51:48,839 --> 00:51:53,200 opportunities right to spend time 718 00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:58,559 yep i agree 719 00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:04,720 but camden i just want you to know and barbara i don't feel like they said a 720 00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:09,119 master plan isn't good but i do feel it was made clear at least 721 00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:12,319 to me and i think to others from what you're saying camden maybe 722 00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:17,119 others have told you the same it was very made clear that a master 723 00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:21,200 plan is never a master and it it does need to be flexible which 724 00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:24,800 i completely understand we talked about roads we talked about water 725 00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:28,800 needs in the city which obviously come before perks i get it 726 00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:32,559 but when you talk about hindley park that took 20 years to get a parking lot 727 00:52:31,119 --> 00:52:36,800 paved somewhere the master plan was never a 728 00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:40,160 master plan and if we can hopefully get things on 729 00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:46,800 the agenda at least in writing maybe like you said 730 00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:50,319 as or barbara said as council has to go through and evaluate 731 00:52:48,240 --> 00:52:56,640 at least there is something in writing that shows a purpose 732 00:52:52,000 --> 00:53:03,920 and a plan and a desire of your citizens yeah well and i think and i agree 100 733 00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:10,079 what happens is in the master plan i bet if you go back and look 15 20 years ago 734 00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:13,839 that henley park as it is now with the parking lot 735 00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:17,599 was envisioned and in the master plan but then 736 00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:24,880 to your point lisa and what you said is during that time i also know that they 737 00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:32,640 had replaced the water mains along third north and i 738 00:53:28,079 --> 00:53:36,880 think money shifts to where those things don't get accomplished or come to 739 00:53:35,119 --> 00:53:41,920 fruition in the in the timeliness that a lot of 740 00:53:40,079 --> 00:53:45,280 people thinks but that's because the city council 741 00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:48,640 has to reallocate money sometimes and i'm not talking 742 00:53:46,319 --> 00:53:52,160 well a little bit with the impact fees well impact fees cannot be reallocated 743 00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:57,760 right not impact fees but other other 744 00:53:55,280 --> 00:54:01,359 funding streams the taxes that are collected and things 745 00:53:59,119 --> 00:54:05,200 they're also the part none of the parts are funded strictly from the park fund 746 00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:08,960 or the impact fees there's a lot that are 747 00:54:05,839 --> 00:54:16,160 that's picked up by the general budget anyway it's it's a difficult part 748 00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:19,920 of being uh in the city council and i haven't been there but i've attended a 749 00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:25,119 lot of meetings in the past and not as many as i should have in 750 00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:30,800 recently but i'll start doing that when i can come and visit 751 00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:34,640 um anyway it's just and i feel for everybody's 752 00:54:35,359 --> 00:54:45,599 frustration with this situation but it's it's nothing that everybody 753 00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:50,240 city employees city council and us want to figure out 754 00:54:46,559 --> 00:54:54,799 and try to make things work better absolutely anyway um 755 00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,200 so 756 00:54:58,559 --> 00:55:03,839 how do we want to approach this on the 15th do we do we need to have another 757 00:55:02,240 --> 00:55:08,079 meeting with the committee and just talk about 758 00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:11,359 talking points and then and then see uh what peter and nathan and the committee 759 00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:15,599 feels about the parks end of things i agree with 760 00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:20,480 lisa we really need to push oh and that reminds me there's no 761 00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:28,720 directional signs in the new uh paved road up to the between main street 762 00:55:23,839 --> 00:55:28,720 and uh the rec center 763 00:55:28,799 --> 00:55:34,960 they've got the they've got the bike and walking or they've got the bike lanes 764 00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:41,599 striped off but um oh yeah 765 00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:45,680 they need those directional thing things painted in there and they need to be 766 00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:50,840 going with traffic not against traffic yeah 767 00:55:47,740 --> 00:55:50,840 [Music] 768 00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:57,680 how long do you need to reason you know how much time do you need to get those 769 00:55:55,520 --> 00:56:00,319 numbers or kind of a feeling of where we've been where we're at where we can 770 00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:04,400 go is the 15th just too soon do we need to 771 00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:10,000 have that meeting in october well here here's my concern um 772 00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:13,119 i like i i feel like we should be working on the master plan and updating 773 00:56:11,599 --> 00:56:15,520 it and then once we feel like we have that done 774 00:56:13,839 --> 00:56:18,240 as a committee so you guys have gone through you've edited we've tweaked some 775 00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:21,760 stuff together not just me doing it and presenting it 776 00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:26,000 but that you guys would then take it and present it to council 777 00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:29,040 i was thinking that meeting would be different than what i 778 00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:31,920 this one has become which is what i thought was just kind of you guys 779 00:56:30,319 --> 00:56:36,240 venting your frustrations and your concerns and 780 00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:38,720 and advocating again for parks on the south side 781 00:56:37,359 --> 00:56:43,359 but it sounds like you're wanting the master plan stuff really 782 00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:48,640 put together before you have a conversation with council 783 00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:51,839 and no i'm yeah i'm fine i'm fine with the conversation with 784 00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:57,200 council i don't think we we can have the master plan update 785 00:56:55,119 --> 00:57:02,400 or i don't i don't know if we can have the master plan updated because 786 00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:05,839 again these zoom meetings are really really 787 00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:11,040 really difficult especially when we would all like to be together looking at 788 00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:15,680 a map and pointing things out and being able to do some overlays and 789 00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:21,280 and things like that which are really difficult to do online 790 00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:25,440 um i i think that maybe this next meeting would 791 00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:30,160 be a good time to you know ask some hard questions 792 00:57:26,079 --> 00:57:34,880 and get some answers and then and then we can work on the master plan 793 00:57:32,319 --> 00:57:40,880 and have that in place in october november present that and 794 00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:44,480 then be ready for the park tax uh discussions that we have at the end 795 00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:48,319 of every year so scott do you feel like we need to 796 00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:50,559 submit to council some questions that we have 797 00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:53,920 otherwise i feel like it's going to be like camden just personally 798 00:57:52,319 --> 00:57:56,079 i don't know i've got to look at that which i can't blame them if they don't 799 00:57:55,280 --> 00:58:00,000 know what the questions are or the answers we want 800 00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:05,599 so then we can say okay this is their feeling or their 801 00:58:02,799 --> 00:58:11,119 direction how do we do a master plan around that or are you just expecting to 802 00:58:09,599 --> 00:58:14,400 go in and when you say frustration for me at least 803 00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:16,960 it's not really frustration as much as we want to be an advocate you have 804 00:58:15,839 --> 00:58:20,640 people on this committee who have been on it for years 805 00:58:18,559 --> 00:58:25,280 because they love love love the rex department the park department 806 00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:28,960 we have kids in it it's something that we 807 00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:32,880 want to promote or be an advocate for so that future generations we want to be 808 00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:37,040 here for years to come we want to see our kids 809 00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:40,079 playing and having fun and and all that so i hope it isn't coming across as 810 00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:43,920 total frustration as much as we're just trying to be good 811 00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:48,000 citizens and good advocates in an area that isn't really getting 812 00:58:46,079 --> 00:58:55,680 much attention right well no i you know i think we can 813 00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:59,680 represent our committee as far as the importance we place on parks 814 00:58:59,359 --> 00:59:04,079 and especially getting more done down on the 815 00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:10,880 south side of the city i think we can also 816 00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:16,960 ask some questions and um you know i don't know exactly 817 00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:21,040 as peter has some specific things that he would like to know 818 00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:25,680 but we may be able to answer or can maybe may be able to get the figures to 819 00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:29,359 answer at least one of those questions or at least a close figure on 820 00:59:27,839 --> 00:59:34,319 the second one but focusing on parks trails and 821 00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:41,760 recreation we we would like to see a solid trail 822 00:59:38,319 --> 00:59:47,040 bike trail walking path that somehow in some way shape or form goes from 823 00:59:44,319 --> 00:59:52,960 the boat harbor through the city connects with third north or whatever 824 00:59:49,839 --> 00:59:56,240 up to center street and then connects to the murdoch 825 00:59:53,839 --> 01:00:00,319 canal trail it would also be nice to see the trails connect 826 00:59:57,359 --> 01:00:05,119 parked especially the bigger ones like rotary park and 827 01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:11,200 and library park and hunter park and and and some of those parks um 828 01:00:08,319 --> 01:00:14,160 and then but the focus on the park into things is 829 01:00:12,079 --> 01:00:17,680 for me is strictly on the south side i mean 830 01:00:15,359 --> 01:00:21,040 in that meeting you know i pointed out i live in the older part of the city but 831 01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:27,760 i've got i've got like five fairly so 832 01:00:24,559 --> 01:00:32,000 four set fairly substantial parts within two or three blocks of where i live and 833 01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:35,760 it would be nice that you know and and it'd be nice if the 834 01:00:34,079 --> 01:00:41,119 city council could see that they could leave that legacy 835 01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:45,599 down on the south end of the city you know a similar thing where you sit 836 01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:50,400 back in one of these parts and sit there and think oh those people 837 01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:57,839 40 50 60 years ago were really they really had uh 838 01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:57,839 some thought that went into this plan 839 01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:06,400 anyway i think that's a good thought i like that um 840 01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:14,799 well so what do we want to do um do we do we want to submit some 841 01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:17,839 questions and put some questions together to give the city council a 842 01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:23,359 heads up um barbara can you comment 843 01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:28,400 you're our city council rep can you comment on how you feel with your 844 01:01:25,599 --> 01:01:32,079 years of experience it would be best my initial 845 01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:36,480 thought is that this is a meeting not so much as the committee 846 01:01:35,359 --> 01:01:40,480 presenting what what you want or the council saying this 847 01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:43,599 is what we want it's sitting down and hammering things 848 01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:48,960 out together i think that's the plan and 849 01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:54,799 i hope that that's the collaborative effect that we're trying to 850 01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:59,200 come up with i think if you had your major points that you 851 01:01:57,359 --> 01:02:05,520 brought out that you wanted to include i think that would be perfect 852 01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:08,640 too so are you going to take back today's meeting 853 01:02:06,799 --> 01:02:11,280 to council and give them a heads up or is that something that you need us to do 854 01:02:10,319 --> 01:02:15,119 to reach out well i think the idea of coming up with 855 01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:18,960 the questions and things may be just as much 856 01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:23,920 for staff as it would be for the council maybe 857 01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:30,400 even more so so maybe camden could take those things 858 01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:33,599 and you could work in conjunction with him and he could be looking those things 859 01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:39,680 up he's got more association 860 01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:45,520 with the finance people and things like that than the council members do 861 01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:48,720 immediately anyway sorry camden all right i don't know if i'm quite 862 01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:52,640 clear you mean for them to ask the questions 863 01:02:51,359 --> 01:02:58,319 to me and see what i can answer on the staff side 864 01:02:55,680 --> 01:03:03,839 either what you can answer or what you know you can go to 865 01:03:00,079 --> 01:03:08,960 uh anna and get information about what money is available what money is and 866 01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:12,240 here you've got fbs access that's the word i'm looking for 867 01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:18,000 to the uh the books and things like that 868 01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:22,640 a little more readily the more updated books 869 01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:28,319 and things and and if i can help you do something 870 01:03:24,799 --> 01:03:28,319 i can do that you know 871 01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:34,880 but maybe if if people would just funnel their questions and you could 872 01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:40,079 say oh anna would be the perfect one for this or let's give this to 873 01:03:37,039 --> 01:03:48,480 so-and-so to research or whatever um yeah and of what 874 01:03:45,119 --> 01:03:51,520 smooth do you do it that way yeah one of the questions i know 875 01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:56,799 i would be interested in that somebody asked already was 876 01:03:53,119 --> 01:04:02,960 if the if we're meeting the six point whatever acres per thousand people 877 01:04:00,319 --> 01:04:07,280 per thousand residents or however that's point two five 878 01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:09,599 six point two five acres per thousand and are we talking about in the south 879 01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:13,119 end as well as up by the temple and the new 880 01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:16,400 developments talked about up there as well 881 01:04:13,839 --> 01:04:22,079 yeah this this would apply to the entire city 882 01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:26,000 yeah yeah that i would be definitely interested 883 01:04:22,799 --> 01:04:30,960 in seeing if if we're still meeting that currently and then 884 01:04:29,119 --> 01:04:35,599 we have peter's questions about the impact fees 885 01:04:32,799 --> 01:04:38,400 um anything else specific that camden and i can't remember what everything 886 01:04:37,039 --> 01:04:42,160 we've talked about do you have anything on your 887 01:04:38,799 --> 01:04:42,160 else on your list camden 888 01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:50,000 no in general i feel like this is for me it's kind of like yes let's 889 01:04:48,319 --> 01:04:52,400 update the master plan and all the data associated with it we want to look at 890 01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:57,280 these things and so with that direction i feel like 891 01:04:54,720 --> 01:05:01,520 we can finally get started to me it felt like we were we hadn't 892 01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:07,680 quite doubled down on that or i guess fully embraced that um and so 893 01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:09,760 that it's all the data associated with that it's going to be the number of 894 01:05:09,119 --> 01:05:14,799 parks the the level of service is 6.25 do we 895 01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:20,480 still want to keep it at you know quarter mile mile 896 01:05:16,319 --> 01:05:22,720 half mile um uh in there in the master plan there's a narrative that even says 897 01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:27,680 we want a art die size and type of park on 898 01:05:26,079 --> 01:05:31,200 the south side as well and it does sound like that's changed 899 01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:34,160 but those are the things that it's like but that's the data and that's the 900 01:05:32,559 --> 01:05:37,280 decisions and that's the information i think 901 01:05:35,119 --> 01:05:40,000 i can update on my end but then i you know the committee 902 01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:45,039 that then it's the committee's trying to really fine-tune it and focus it 903 01:05:42,079 --> 01:05:49,119 um in the direction we want ahead right and the other one i think 904 01:05:46,559 --> 01:05:53,359 uh rosanna brought up which would be interesting 905 01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:57,760 is the you know we're landlocked in a lot of areas but the projected 906 01:05:55,280 --> 01:06:02,240 population increase over the next 10 years 907 01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:05,119 down on the south side where these you know where there's still land that 908 01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:10,880 they're building on see what that looks like yeah and 909 01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:14,079 that's i mean that's dad in it too in 2015 it kind of said 910 01:06:12,559 --> 01:06:17,119 i can't remember where but i said you know based off build out projections we 911 01:06:16,799 --> 01:06:20,960 need and based off our level of service 912 01:06:18,559 --> 01:06:23,440 standard we need this many hundred i think it was like 110 acres or something 913 01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:26,640 like that no it had to have been more than that 914 01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:30,079 probably and so it's updating that number too but that 915 01:06:27,599 --> 01:06:34,880 it's informed by our population our projections and our development 916 01:06:32,079 --> 01:06:39,280 so all of those those numbers it's a simple number 917 01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:44,160 but to get to it is all the work that we would be doing together 918 01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:48,480 because because surely down there on the south side you've 919 01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:52,960 at least had a thousand people don't you think especially the high density 920 01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:57,839 and there hasn't been a part to answer to that population increase 921 01:06:55,520 --> 01:07:01,920 or maybe you can just double check that i don't know 922 01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:04,000 what needs yeah we we've had we've had a lot more than a thousand people down 923 01:07:03,359 --> 01:07:09,599 here yeah it just doesn't seem like 924 01:07:07,119 --> 01:07:13,599 the number like we have you know so many acres per thousand people but 925 01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:18,000 there's no acreage going into the south side according to the 926 01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:23,359 increase of in population including um up by the temple there 927 01:07:21,039 --> 01:07:27,839 yeah that's that's huge that's a huge development also 928 01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:33,760 and there's no park like easily accessible park right in that area well 929 01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:39,119 yeah the accessibility is a question if you look at quail cove 930 01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:42,160 and this park up there by right yeah thank you lisa yeah but you can't send 931 01:07:41,359 --> 01:07:46,799 little kids to that park yeah you it goes you have 932 01:07:45,039 --> 01:07:52,160 to go across a really busy road right yeah so yes i agree and so the 933 01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:55,520 action go ahead no i was just gonna say and 934 01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:59,599 those are builders that have money and means to give you 935 01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:03,039 park land and we didn't i don't know that we took 936 01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:06,720 the fullest advantage of that one thing to remember is the builders 937 01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:12,880 have the option to donate land or to pay the fees right 938 01:08:10,079 --> 01:08:16,640 but if they pay the fees then that money should 939 01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:21,440 really go to that use i get it might be needed for roads or for 940 01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:25,359 water and that is a top priority but we keep 941 01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:31,839 collecting fees but not doing parks if they pay the fees it stays in that uh 942 01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:34,480 fund so it must be a pretty good size fund barbara do you know the amount on 943 01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:40,719 that fund i don't is it in the three four or five 944 01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:40,719 million 945 01:08:41,359 --> 01:08:46,880 i haven't i'm not good we're talking about the impact fee 946 01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:50,799 uh-huh yeah like i mean it kind of seems like we're stockpiling 947 01:08:48,319 --> 01:08:54,159 impact fees like where are they going we have i i think it's three million 948 01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:57,120 that's the i don't i don't really want to give you a number but it's i want to 949 01:08:55,759 --> 01:09:01,759 say it's around three million because i gotta net out 950 01:08:58,319 --> 01:09:04,400 whatever we're obligated for our die and to make sure there's no other 951 01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:07,120 obligations we have to pay out of it before i give you 952 01:09:05,199 --> 01:09:10,400 yeah so maybe that's good information camden when 953 01:09:08,319 --> 01:09:14,480 you go over it to say this is really what we have to work with 954 01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:18,000 right this is how much parks department needs i mean i know our parks department 955 01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:21,759 employees have been cut you know things like that that okay 956 01:09:20,239 --> 01:09:24,560 there's more to it than just we have this fun 957 01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:28,000 but i think before we can give you an educated plan you have to know what your 958 01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:30,640 finances are just like you do in a family 959 01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:35,839 you can't just give a plan without knowing where it's coming from 960 01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:45,600 yep well and it would be interesting not that we can answer this right now but 961 01:09:42,719 --> 01:09:47,759 do the developers pay their impact fees up front 962 01:09:46,159 --> 01:09:53,839 because then the city could turn around and buy three quarter acre 963 01:09:50,239 --> 01:09:58,560 four quarter acre six quarter acre lots in the center of their development and 964 01:09:55,760 --> 01:10:02,320 set it aside for parks if if that's what they choose to do 965 01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:08,480 instead of giving up land they they pay an impact or they pay the 966 01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:12,960 tax fees so i think i i can probably answer that for 967 01:10:09,440 --> 01:10:17,920 us um the money was taken out at time of close 968 01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:21,679 so at the closing um from everything i could understand on my 969 01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:25,120 documents when i closed the money was taken out at that point 970 01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:31,360 given to the city so um so i think the unit does have to 971 01:10:28,480 --> 01:10:38,080 be closed on before the city gets money so basically we were yeah 972 01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:42,640 but the builder pays those fees not i mean the builders paying for the land 973 01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:45,600 impact fees that's a total different thing what you're paying for computers 974 01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:49,679 for your individual lot the builder has to pay their own impact 975 01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:54,560 fees yeah so if the builder pays their impact fees up front 976 01:10:53,040 --> 01:11:00,239 couldn't the city turn around and buy lots of the 977 01:10:56,080 --> 01:11:04,080 builder um to set aside for parks because we you didn't scan that 978 01:11:02,719 --> 01:11:07,840 map all the way up to or like around the temple or val vista 979 01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:12,000 but that was that's been a discussion that we've had 980 01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:17,679 before about they put that development in and there's no part space and then 981 01:11:15,679 --> 01:11:22,080 people pointed out well val vista's less than a quarter mile away but then 982 01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:25,360 we pointed out that it's not an easy trip for a k eight-year-old kid on 983 01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:29,840 a bike to get to val vista from that new 984 01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:34,800 development behind the temple no well and lastly camden if you could 985 01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:38,480 report back we keep saying can we contact individual 986 01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:42,800 business owners individual you know residents who own 987 01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:47,600 land companies is there a spot that american fork city 988 01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:52,960 is willing to help contribute to if we can get help from the community 989 01:11:51,199 --> 01:11:58,960 so that we kind of also can put that into the plan 990 01:11:55,280 --> 01:12:02,159 is there an area that you know is okay according to the county and 991 01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:04,640 according to the city and all of that 992 01:12:06,239 --> 01:12:13,920 so so you're asking um like what are what areas does is the city willing to 993 01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:18,800 kind of say yes this is a property we want to purchase 994 01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:22,159 well in general or or a general area i think we've talked about before some 995 01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:25,360 of the landis county and so or it crosses county so there's 996 01:12:24,719 --> 01:12:28,400 some hesitation in some areas of the south 997 01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:32,640 side or like scott mentioned with the bridge 998 01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:37,040 coming over i think if you could give us some 999 01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:40,880 input on where feasibly could we do another regional park sure if we had the 1000 01:12:40,239 --> 01:12:46,560 money not that we can in my mind we would 1001 01:12:44,159 --> 01:12:49,760 again kind of apply update the master plan and when i say that as we as we 1002 01:12:48,239 --> 01:12:54,000 look at these metrics that we have in the plan right now you 1003 01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:58,000 know the 6.25 and the the the buffer the quarter mile stuff 1004 01:12:56,239 --> 01:13:01,920 and we start mapping these out and then we come up with 1005 01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:05,199 areas we're interested in we decide how many 1006 01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:10,320 big parks we want and then that covers that as well as 1007 01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:13,440 smaller ones and then once we do that then we have a more of a focus then we 1008 01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:16,880 actually start looking at the properties there and we look at the current 1009 01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:22,239 snapshot of the area kind of saying what is county what is city 1010 01:13:19,199 --> 01:13:24,400 what what uh property owners are interested what properties are 1011 01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:28,080 uninterested what we'll be annexing soon to base off 1012 01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:32,239 development and all those are kind of what can we do 1013 01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:35,199 right now that that'll inform those decisions but it would start with kind 1014 01:13:33,679 --> 01:13:39,199 of knowing where we want to go you know what the 1015 01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:42,480 big picture i i hope i'm not speaking for the 1016 01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:45,840 committee too much but i think we just want some land 1017 01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:49,199 but every you know we don't know as committee members we don't know what's 1018 01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:53,920 counting at least i don't i don't know what has certain parameters 1019 01:13:51,679 --> 01:13:57,600 governmental wise so if you could just enlighten us a 1020 01:13:55,840 --> 01:14:01,600 little bit on this area is totally off limits or 1021 01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:04,960 hey these areas are some you could choose from and then we could go over 1022 01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:09,600 how are the trails what's nearest how can we connect but we 1023 01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:11,840 just keep chasing our tail because we don't 1024 01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:16,159 really have any information to make even an educated guess 1025 01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:21,120 yeah we i think we should look at that yeah and i can i can get that together 1026 01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:25,600 um and we can discuss as a committee when we look at the map 1027 01:14:23,199 --> 01:14:30,080 awesome thanks one thing to be very careful 1028 01:14:26,480 --> 01:14:34,560 for is not to make any promises because committee members cannot commit 1029 01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:39,120 and say okay we'll name this park after you or whatever 1030 01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:43,920 it has to be a city action and you can say this is a possibility 1031 01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:50,159 and i'll take it to them and present it and let you know that 1032 01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:54,719 don't make promises it has happened in the past it could happen now 1033 01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:57,199 yeah i think that's full circle back to what we started with kind of earlier on 1034 01:14:56,480 --> 01:15:00,640 is once we kind of have this plan in place 1035 01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:04,400 and this information that's when we kind of strategize the 1036 01:15:02,159 --> 01:15:07,760 best way to approach people and and what to do there and so yeah it 1037 01:15:06,239 --> 01:15:12,320 wouldn't be just us running out knocking on doors 1038 01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:16,000 the committee or even staff doing that it would kind of be who has the best 1039 01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:19,679 contact what's the current develop like we need to talk to public 1040 01:15:18,480 --> 01:15:23,440 works even and maybe even the city manager just because 1041 01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:26,480 some of these developments that are occurring are 1042 01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:31,520 sensitive and um and so you kind of need to know 1043 01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:33,760 that environment to navigate those waters too when you're talking to 1044 01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:37,920 somebody right well i appreciate that and i hope 1045 01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:43,920 that the city will also be an advocate like we've talked about with amazon 1046 01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:48,080 if when they are approaching companies who want to come build or 1047 01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:52,239 they're being approached that they can keep in mind recreational space 1048 01:15:50,480 --> 01:15:56,800 well yeah and a lot of those big developments do look at 1049 01:15:54,080 --> 01:16:00,800 or big companies do look at what kind of recreation 1050 01:15:58,239 --> 01:16:03,760 is offered in that immediate area i was going to say 1051 01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:07,920 a perfect example of and i don't know how this came about 1052 01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:11,199 but once the land's purchased which is kind of on the city i mean we can 1053 01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:14,640 approach some people maybe but when we start putting things in the 1054 01:16:14,239 --> 01:16:17,920 park that's when we can go to businesses 1055 01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:21,760 camden do you have any idea how they got the starting 1056 01:16:20,159 --> 01:16:28,400 blocks for the swim uh team up at the pool or for the 1057 01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:34,000 swimming competitions up at the pool um because they're each night labeled or 1058 01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:37,520 branded it looks like it was donated by i can't remember who so i'm guessing 1059 01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:40,719 derek just on his own reached out to somebody 1060 01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:45,280 yeah because there's one from doterra there's one from a family 1061 01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:47,600 uh there's one from doug smith i think and 1062 01:16:45,679 --> 01:16:50,800 you know i imagine each one of those cost 1063 01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:55,600 maybe a couple thousand dollars i don't know they're i mean they're 1064 01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:59,360 really well built really well done but that's the kind of thing i think the 1065 01:16:57,360 --> 01:17:04,480 committee would like to help with if possible and like with uh with 1066 01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:08,640 what you and harvard said we got to have the plan done 1067 01:17:06,159 --> 01:17:12,320 and then get the land and then get a better idea of what 1068 01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:16,159 um you know the city's willing to do to get some of those things donated like a 1069 01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:22,080 big playground or some kind of splash pad or whatever yeah 1070 01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:27,120 i actually have to go um is there anything else you need 1071 01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:33,840 from me or no i think what just to really wind up quickly let's all 1072 01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:36,080 uh put together two or three questions that each one of us would like to ask 1073 01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:42,800 like priority questions and then 1074 01:17:39,679 --> 01:17:48,320 the committee we can just email back and forth and then 1075 01:17:44,719 --> 01:17:52,640 maybe give everybody five ten minutes to you know ask those questions or 1076 01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:58,000 whatever and they can't be too far off base of what we've given 1077 01:17:54,640 --> 01:18:03,120 uh camden what we've asked uh camden together as far as information 1078 01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:08,480 goes but um but really just focus on uh 1079 01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:12,800 those things that we've talked about the land acquisition and how much land do we 1080 01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:20,000 want to see on the south side set aside for uh park space and 1081 01:18:16,239 --> 01:18:23,840 you know what we'd like to see the trail look like in the next five to ten years 1082 01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:29,760 and then you know that's the basis of what we're 1083 01:18:25,679 --> 01:18:29,760 gonna do in the master plan 1084 01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:38,080 is everybody okay with that sounds good sounds great thank you everyone so let's 1085 01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:45,920 move to adjourn before rosanna takes off on us okay i'll i'll 1086 01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:52,000 i second okay that's unanimous and we're gonna meet on the 15th 1087 01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:55,040 at what time um uh what time's their meeting 1088 01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:55,040 camden 1089 01:18:57,440 --> 01:19:05,120 will you let us know where uh yes if it's not zoom i mean we'll send 1090 01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:08,159 you if it's not zoom i'll let you know it would probably be 1091 01:19:06,480 --> 01:19:13,120 the city the city administration building here 1092 01:19:10,159 --> 01:19:16,239 camden i know multiple city committees have already met in person 1093 01:19:14,480 --> 01:19:21,679 if there's any chance that you can suggest if that's our committee 1094 01:19:18,480 --> 01:19:24,159 request not just me we would love to meet in person 1095 01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:27,199 we can do it safely our kids are going back to school we would love to do it in 1096 01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:31,040 person like i said we'll we're we'll wear masks 1097 01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:36,239 goggles gloves and a gown if they want us to 1098 01:19:34,159 --> 01:19:40,560 sure yeah barbara and i will pass the message along um based off 1099 01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:43,679 you know they have other considerations to help kind of inform 1100 01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:48,159 when they do that when they'll make that transition back but we'll definitely let 1101 01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:52,640 them know the desire thank you thank you thanks thanks 1102 01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:57,360 everyone thank you see y'all later