[0:00] um all right and are you set up to do
that you
[0:04] going right now uh yep it's now
recording
[0:08] okay welcome everybody um we have
barbara
[0:13] from the her councilwoman christiansen
from the city council camden's
[0:18] representing uh the city
parks rec and trails and on
[0:24] uh for the committee we have peter
nathan
[0:28] and lisa on welcome everybody
um
[0:35] i think everybody got a copy of the
notes
[0:39] um if they look good do we have a motion
to
[0:43] uh to approve the
notes from the june 10th meeting
[0:52] i'll give a motion to approve i'll
second that
[0:56] okay thank you and
um everybody in favor of
[1:03] approving those notes say aye aye
aye aye aye
[1:09] thank you all right
[1:13] so i think camden sent a uh
email out just a hour or so ago about
[1:20] the updates on the
on the park and wreck projects that are
[1:25] in place right now do you want to go
over that
[1:27] camden yeah
um i decided for some people it may be
[1:33] helpful just to have it in front of them
but i was
[1:35] just gonna go through it real quick uh
we had a handful of projects park tax
[1:40] projects from last year um
that we uh have been working on are
[1:46] closing up
we had the last smaller pavilion at
[1:50] quail cove
that's up looks real nice we have the
[1:53] park tax logo on it we had a playground
also the
[1:56] robinson uh park one you can see
that one's been up for a bit we also did
[2:00] uh just through city funding we did a
playground at um all right um not cool i
[2:08] think i said quill cove i apologize
rotary park um we have a new playground
[2:13] there as well
through city funds but the one at
[2:16] robinson that's uh park tax funded it's
got a cool
[2:19] logo just stamped onto one of the panels
i think that looks nice
[2:24] the quill cove entrance is um
is complete we want to try and get some
[2:29] nice signage actually i have a
another guy working on design work for
[2:33] these uh
street banners um and then we want like
[2:36] a kind of an entrance monument
just kind of where the half circle is
[2:40] part of the sidewalk
further up is not done but that was done
[2:43] with intent because we knew or we
suspected we'd be getting this bathroom
[2:48] approved which we have so we kind of
left that undone so that we can
[2:51] put stuff in get the bathroom uh that's
gonna start happening in september
[2:57] um at the time when we were kind of
looking at scheduled events there wasn't
[3:00] a lot going on at that time
and we didn't want to get two later and
[3:04] we're working with a contractor and that
was kind of the preferred time too so it
[3:07] just kind of all worked out to have
it happen at beginning of september and
[3:12] then really by
the third week as it says here which
[3:15] hopefully be wrapped up and
kind of have it up and running probably
[3:20] just
landscaping left at that point around it
[3:24] and then we just have various trail
sorry cans trees
[3:28] tables throughout the the
area if you've been on uh the trail like
[3:34] on 300 and
um kind of up along the river you may
[3:38] see a couple of the
new seats with the logo on
[3:43] yeah that's just a summary of
stuff working on we actually we did the
[3:48] dog park a while ago but we put in a
really soft sand
[3:51] we've actually gone through and redone
we dug out that sand because it was
[3:55] blown around and caused a mess
and we put in a sand that's been used in
[3:59] other dog parks to heavier
firmer more can be more compacted and so
[4:04] that's another side project that was
done
[4:07] uh another one is evergreen we got the
sprinklers in
[4:10] and taking care of the contractor was
really slow on that
[4:14] um yeah but they're they're slammed and
busy so we just had to work around that
[4:17] so
those are just some of the big projects
[4:21] that we've been working on that jason
manly's been working on
[4:25] and the sand in the dog park is that the
dog parked up by our die
[4:30] no no we don't have any dog park there
yet there's still
[4:33] we're gonna try and finish off the
parking and other stuff and we'll try
[4:37] and wrap that into that there's just
you can tell there's more discussion
[4:41] that need to be had this it's in easton
park
[4:45] kind of like behind the eye
on 500 east okay
[4:53] sounds good and um
let's see
[5:00] is there any questions for camden about
those updates
[5:06] no it looks like it's all coming along
really well
[5:09] you know yeah well then
um when did you say you were gonna start
[5:14] that um dog
park at the art diary is that gonna be
[5:18] like on the last
little bit once you've got the parking
[5:21] done on the back side
yeah there's there's no set date there's
[5:25] no funding
none that's locked in i think we still
[5:27] want to pursue it but we kind of just
have to
[5:30] continue master planning so there
there's we want to take that
[5:34] parking lot and try and wrap it around
and then there's some property
[5:38] acquisition tied to that and we need to
do like a roundabout
[5:40] so there's a bunch of work we're we're
working on
[5:44] we're hoping to tie a plan for the dog
park in there too so it'll be time to
[5:48] discuss and do those sort of
like stakeholder involvement as we as we
[5:52] want during the process but
nothing's on the books yet
[6:00] um and i thought it was really nice i
was able to go up to the ribbon cutting
[6:05] at the
new art die facility um the
[6:10] concessions and score keeping and i
don't know what do you call that
[6:14] building
multi-purpose room building or what
[6:18] yeah i've been called the scorekeeper
tower but it yeah it does have
[6:21] storage yeah and that was
that was really nice and the mayor gave
[6:28] a good
good little uh ribbon cutting
[6:32] speech as in clark and rob
and uh that'll be a great facility and i
[6:38] understand that
adult softball is going to start here
[6:41] pretty quick
yes i believe so
[6:47] all right and then uh false soccer also
i think is
[6:52] registration's up and everything as i
understand it but don't ask any
[6:56] follow-up questions because i wouldn't
[7:00] okay soccer i'm coaching uh
my son will and and uh so that's getting
[7:07] he has his first game this saturday
cool all right awesome
[7:16] my my kids participated in the chalk
festival and i understand that
[7:20] the park program they funded part of
that
[7:24] and i thought that was it was just
wonderfully
[7:27] ran i think it was very enriching to the
entire community
[7:31] it was good for those who participated i
thought that was a very good use
[7:35] of funds it was great i mean it was
something that pretty much anybody could
[7:41] safely do and go look at and
be a part of so i thought that that was
[7:47] something great that the park
program kind of sponsored so
[7:54] yep and it was really nice i don't know
some of us went up to art i went up for
[7:59] fireworks and stuff
and um it was really really nice not
[8:04] have any of those uh
soccer news soccer fields parked on i
[8:09] know there are a lot of people on them
and you know a lot of people throwing
[8:12] blankets out and everything
um but it was just a different
[8:16] atmosphere which was maybe a good thing
without the carnival there and without
[8:21] the
mass numbers of people trying to jam
[8:25] into that
i mean art dies big but if you had
[8:29] half the population try to jam in there
it'd be pretty tight
[8:33] hopefully we can do that again next year
yes
[8:37] that would be nice um
great um i i should uh recant what i
[8:44] said
um it's not this saturday but the
[8:48] saturday after i don't know that matters
to many people but i
[8:50] misspoke on on when fall soccer starts
well and peter just from past experience
[8:57] if you volunteered this time you will be
a soccer coach for the next 10 years
[9:04] that's probably how it ends up like
giving any
[9:07] any other sport your uh kids are
interested in you'll probably coach that
[9:12] anyway but it's all fun it was all good
um
[9:16] all right then uh did the committee
members have a chance to go over the
[9:22] parks map and look at the trails
uh in the past month or so
[9:31] i i personally looked over at all
again um i don't know what areas you
[9:37] want to discuss
first or in preparation for the city
[9:40] council meeting
next month well i
[9:45] you know and i'll let peter and nathan
kind of speak to this
[9:48] but i was interested in the in the
the rectangular land just south of the
[9:55] church and north of
boat harbor is that is that property
[10:00] that the city has acquired
because it shows up similar to the rest
[10:04] of the parts as far as color and
everything
[10:09] there you go no we don't have it
acquired if i suspect
[10:13] uh when you look at the map you see
these generic circles that don't really
[10:18] line up with anything and then you see
that property that you're talking about
[10:20] that was a very definite
rectangle and i think at the time when
[10:24] they looked at it they saw that it was
had the river going through it and so it
[10:28] really didn't have a developable use
for it for that reason and so i think
[10:33] they felt
safe to vaping the committee and then
[10:38] the staff at the time felt safe to kind
of really delineate it as
[10:41] as an option for park space
but even we're talking with the property
[10:46] owner even now and i think
they're in california actually um and
[10:50] it's it's yet another one where
they they see dollar signs in their eyes
[10:55] um as we're approaching him about about
the property so we've already taken
[11:01] the discussion to acquire it right
i think that butts up against the buck
[11:06] walder's property i'm not sure
um so i i think i missed uh
[11:13] the email or maybe i just didn't notice
it um was there an email that
[11:17] that had that drawing on there along
with uh some trails
[11:21] i i yeah i sent um
there was a 10 i think it's 10 or 11
[11:27] page
park master plan it had
[11:31] some brief descriptions and then at the
end it had a map of all the parks in
[11:36] american fork
and it's on the city link too but like
[11:43] camden pointed out it shows two or three
circles which are unidentified
[11:47] there we go right there
[11:52] so this uh one over here on the right
this pink one
[11:56] you know you see these generic oh no
sorry it's this one actually yeah it's
[12:00] that one
um these generic circles here but then
[12:03] this very specific property here
um and we're still interested and we're
[12:07] still wanting to work with them on that
just because it i mean it would be a
[12:10] perfect river trail
uh the river the wash the river going
[12:14] through it we have
there's great opportunities there but
[12:17] it's just a matter of purchasing and
acquiring it
[12:21] gotcha has anybody approached uh
ferris blacker she used to be a member
[12:26] of the committee he owns the property
um oh just
[12:32] just north and it's a big section
there's actually a blackhurst lane that
[12:37] leads
to his house i think he has alfalfa on
[12:40] most of it and it's just
it's everything east and north of that
[12:45] little rectangle
[12:49] i'm almost i feel very confident that
they he's been approached
[12:53] uh you're talking about for park space
or dubai acquire park
[12:57] i'm sorry you froze up camden can you
hear me
[13:02] yeah okay sorry
you're talking about is he being
[13:06] approached regarding acquiring
land or park space yep
[13:12] i haven't been part of any conversations
that's not to say that hasn't happened
[13:16] you know prior to me or through public
works somewhere but i'll
[13:20] i'll follow up and ask i just see but i
i know him personally i've talked to him
[13:25] a number of times and
i don't know if which uh
[13:31] church wards meet in that building but
peter might have
[13:35] might know him too but um yeah he owns
that big section there and then
[13:40] there's buckwalders that own on the
other side of that road that splits
[13:44] those
two large areas anyway
[13:49] i know who the buck walters are i'm not
sure about the other owner but
[13:52] um uh in the past we another thing we've
talked about
[13:55] in approaching um some of these land
owners
[14:00] i don't imagine this would work with
everybody but it i'm guessing it will
[14:04] work with it would help with some
and that is that um art die uh was
[14:09] donated
and or at least some property was
[14:14] donated and then our die was purchased
with
[14:16] money that was sold from that with some
namesake involved
[14:20] and um some of these some of these uh
owners these landowners out there might
[14:26] be interested
in uh working
[14:31] working something out with the city um
so that they have some namesake in a
[14:36] park and so
uh camden you mentioned uh you a lot of
[14:41] these guys see
when they get approached they see
[14:43] dollars um
some people might also be interested in
[14:47] just simply having some namesake in a
community that they
[14:51] uh have lived in their a long period of
their life and
[14:54] um you know what i mean same thing with
with art die he
[14:58] we the park was named after after art
diane so
[15:02] there might be some of that that could
could help in acquiring the property
[15:08] i agree i think i think it'd be good
[15:13] like i envisioned maybe writing a letter
from like the mayor
[15:17] you know writing a letter to each of
these people making that request
[15:20] and kind of saying we can name it after
you or something but we're just asking
[15:24] for this
well and and i know the of the buck or
[15:28] not buck walters buckwalder's purchase
they used to live down here by me and
[15:32] then they purchased that property
30 years ago but blackhursts have been
[15:38] in american fort for
two or three generations and he's had
[15:42] that property
as long as i mean he might be
[15:47] i don't know when he acquired it but
it's been 50 plus years ago
[15:50] so yeah that might be something along
the way well and scott
[15:54] we talked about it would be great as a
committee to meet together
[15:58] once we know what we're asking for and
what we can add to it as a city
[16:03] and pick the best person not saying that
the mayor isn't the best person by any
[16:09] means but just
those that have the highest personal
[16:12] relationships those that
um have the highest trust relationships
[16:16] i think
it would be great to involve and not
[16:19] just a blanket letter
it might be good to go personally with
[16:22] someone
right yeah and i i'm pretty sure i i'd
[16:27] have to talk to mayor frost but
i think ferris he got put on the
[16:33] committee
at my suggestion before i was the uh
[16:37] chairperson and then i'm pretty sure he
knows
[16:41] i'm pretty sure uh ferris knows
mayor frost and uh two or three others
[16:48] on the committee
on the uh city council but yes that's an
[16:52] excellent suggestion i mean i'd i'd
be more than willing to be a part of
[16:56] that i run into him every once in a
while
[16:58] he still plays racquetball up at the rec
center
[17:03] so i i was going to add of all you know
what lisa said thank you for because i
[17:07] think that's an important part of this i
also think it'd be
[17:09] helpful if we kind of went through the
updating of the master plan
[17:12] specifically this map that we're looking
at here because i really feel like
[17:17] the general targeted areas that we may
want to focus our attention or efforts
[17:22] on
have changed since this map and so if we
[17:25] can get that updated and we feel
confident about what we see
[17:28] then we can make these uh these just
have these discussions with property
[17:32] owners and maybe we do send a letter out
to everyone there and see what we can
[17:35] get
but i do think it'd be good to maybe
[17:37] have tailored
you know conversations with uh people
[17:42] um on the areas that we're most
interested in
[17:46] so camden this was addressed
a few months ago but can you comment on
[17:53] your envision or vision of a master plan
because we were basically told you can't
[18:01] ever really have a master plan
it's great to have a general can you
[18:04] guys hear me okay okay
[18:10] you can or not
[18:13] we can hear there's just some some
feedback when you're talking
[18:17] yeah can i also give a plug that we
should meet outside
[18:21] with masks on six feet apart next time
maybe
[18:24] because zoom is really hard but on a
master plan
[18:29] it is hard when you have the mayor and
the city administrator
[18:34] telling us that they can't ever really
make a master plan
[18:37] that city council can always change that
which i understand
[18:41] but i wonder if some of these property
owners would like something that
[18:44] is concrete as long as well as city
um people who live in the city i'm sorry
[18:52] guys i haven't eaten um
people who we want to vote what citizens
[18:57] um
that would love to say yeah we want to
[18:59] vote for parks tax again
but we want to have a plan and see it
[19:03] come to fruition
in the near future even if that's five
[19:06] or ten years but
we're not going to do a plan and then in
[19:09] a year change it and then a year change
it
[19:11] and then a year change well so the plan
we have here is
[19:14] if you've read through it it's still
pretty applicable today and it was done
[19:18] in 2015.
and i i would i wouldn't listen to the
[19:22] the one the meetings that i had missed
where some of these discussions were had
[19:26] where i i'm hearing
that the advice that barbara or david
[19:30] gave was that
master plans aren't useful and i do not
[19:34] feel that that's what they were even
saying i think they were acknowledging
[19:37] that
the council could change a plan
[19:42] but realistically even then when they're
talking about that the process
[19:46] is council's like we want to update this
plan or we want to make this change
[19:50] they would then go to you guys the
committee and say we would like to make
[19:53] this change
so at no portion would you guys not be
[19:56] involved or with a master plan not being
followed whatever the master plan is at
[19:59] the time
that's what they're adhering to and
[20:02] following they just may want to update
it or change it but they would involve
[20:05] you in doing that
like that was the message i got when i
[20:08] wouldn't listen to those things
i don't know if it was said as concisely
[20:12] or in so many words but i don't think
they were ever saying
[20:15] just get rid of the master plan we don't
follow it well and i don't think
[20:18] oh go ahead scott well i was just gonna
say i think the
[20:22] impression was yes there's a master plan
this is just like a really short version
[20:28] of what came out of that meeting is yes
there's a master plan yes it's important
[20:32] but the city council can change it
pretty much
[20:35] depending on who's in office and uh
group decisions
[20:39] so there would have to be a good reason
to change it
[20:44] any plan has to be flexible you don't
want to set something now
[20:49] and have to stick to it 10 years from
now when everything has changed
[20:54] right it has to be flexible that's all
we're saying
[20:58] yeah and and i understand that i think
it was just
[21:02] we've been going back and forth on the
need for parks on the south side
[21:07] and i think um kind of
not leaving that topic i know it's
[21:13] something that bothers all of us
because i've seen it happen over the
[21:16] past 30 years that i've been an american
fort
[21:19] things have changed slightly not
throwing the baby out with the bathwater
[21:24] i think everybody
in this meeting now and the city council
[21:28] are all on the same page as far as
getting park space it is harder
[21:33] to like most like those circles that are
on there
[21:37] there city doesn't own any of that
property right now and it's proposed and
[21:42] those aren't
like uh you know there's no acreage
[21:45] assigned to those circles
of how big or how small they are it's
[21:49] just
that's kind of what's there right now is
[21:53] that not
right camden yeah this is the
[21:56] recommendation but we would want to
update that and i think we have more
[21:59] specific
data we can use to update this with one
[22:04] one thing that would help me a lot is
that
[22:07] all that land south and east of mountain
meadows
[22:12] um if is there i mean is there
like a designation
[22:20] of what is considered the
wetlands or protected lands there
[22:27] uh it has it hasn't been surveyed marked
off so we know exactly what's usable and
[22:32] what's not usable
yeah i don't have that but i know i i i
[22:35] saw it once
over at public works so i know they have
[22:38] some army corps of engineer
survey map of that area so i would need
[22:43] to take a look at it again
um yeah i i think that's all part of the
[22:47] discussion of updating this thing i
think it'd be really good to look at
[22:49] that
see what we can do add that to this yeah
[22:52] and then
and then over uh west of mountain
[22:58] meadows
um is there a good i mean those two
[23:04] circles are kind of right where the
uh big high density
[23:11] apartment developments are right yeah
and the space
[23:15] and open space and all those
requirements are just real fundamentally
[23:19] different
in that space more or less we could
[23:23] almost
overlay the tod the trans-oriented
[23:27] development
here and then we would adapt where our
[23:31] where these dots are for less
description we would adapt those kind of
[23:36] move them over here
in coverage because the the density and
[23:40] the park space requirements here are
completely different so there's not
[23:43] there's not an expectation to have a
formal regular park
[23:47] in the tod the code for the tod is
written
[23:50] that way it will have different green
spaces different types and sizes
[23:55] that we could include but it won't
necessarily be city owned
[23:59] and it's just the requirements are very
different so that's that's an example of
[24:03] one of the real things we need to update
on this plan on this map specifically
[24:08] camden and barbara can you comment um
our parks tax comes back up in two years
[24:13] is that correct yeah okay
and there's some discretionary monies
[24:19] still in a fund
that has to be used or i don't want to
[24:23] say used or lose but kind of like that
that's a large amount
[24:26] that the city is trying to debate what
to do with in parks is that correct
[24:29] still
uh discrete like like our impact fees
[24:35] or parking pipes no i thought i had
heard
[24:39] that there was a couple million dollars
that
[24:42] maybe it was a grant it was discussed a
few meetings ago maybe it was a grant or
[24:47] oh yeah yeah you're probably referring
to the county grant for the boat harbor
[24:51] oh yeah yeah and how much is that
[24:58] 1.5
around there all right was there
[25:02] something in like the five million
uh that's something that rob mentioned
[25:08] to me that
and i think that is i don't know if
[25:10] that's impact fees
or money that the city set aside but
[25:14] yeah he said there was like four or five
million
[25:18] that could be used to purchase the city
could use to purchase
[25:22] property to do a park so do you know
about that camden um
[25:28] i'm not gonna i guess i i don't i don't
know exactly what he's talking about i
[25:32] know we've got some money and impact
fees
[25:35] that grant will potentially so unless we
can get specific approval or allowance
[25:40] for something different than that
i guess what i'm wondering is as a
[25:44] committee can you give us some direction
on what money
[25:47] is truly available that we can give
input to be used
[25:52] yeah i can i can find fun balances for
all of those things
[25:57] or a general i mean we talk about every
month how expensive things are
[26:02] but we also talk about it's not reality
sometimes what we're expecting
[26:06] but i'm not sure we know what's truly
there to be used and what
[26:10] isn't like we talked about the past few
months some extra pickleball courts
[26:15] it is something that's being used all
the time
[26:19] everyone that we have in the city so if
if there's some areas in this next month
[26:24] preparing to go before city council
if there are some parameters that you
[26:29] can give us to say hey this is truly
what we have or what needs to be used
[26:34] before the end of the year or next year
or before parks tax
[26:37] i think that would be helpful
[26:40] yeah put that together i think it's so
we've been we've talked about that kind
[26:45] of thing
most money we have but comparing that to
[26:47] like how much it actually would cost
buy an acre of land down south so that
[26:51] we can have better perspective of both
sides
[26:53] how much revenue we have and what the
costs are and so we were gonna
[26:57] find some comparable data to expenses as
well and
[27:00] i can i can put that together um so
you're what you're hoping for that
[27:04] information prior to the city council
meeting
[27:07] in september well i i actually thought
we were going to have more city council
[27:11] members
at this meeting but i guess there were
[27:14] some parameters about
who can meet when which just to put on
[27:18] note i would love to have every city
council member at every meeting that
[27:22] they want to attend
i'm not sure why they couldn't attend
[27:26] every meeting
i think they're the people who can make
[27:29] a change and hopefully hear all of the
information
[27:32] but yes is next month when we
present what we would like to have for
[27:38] the master plan is that correct
that yeah that's when uh when i've been
[27:43] told that we're going to have the
meeting with
[27:45] the city council if not all
but uh most probably at least three city
[27:51] councilmen and probably
mayor which is fantastic
[27:55] because i think there's some issues that
have just been circling circling
[27:58] circling which would be great to
address and see what we can do but again
[28:03] if we show up
not prepared with what's reality
[28:07] financially
and land accessibility i'm not sure
[28:11] we'll get a lot done
well and i just think most of it i think
[28:16] we need to
stress the committee's feeling
[28:20] of the importance of expanding uh the
park space down on the south side
[28:26] because
usually and this is a philosophical
[28:30] thing on my part and i don't know if
nathan's got
[28:33] any any evidence of this but
if there's uh some high density housing
[28:40] with some minimal space that
developers and then the hoa
[28:46] or whatever decide on for park
when those get full and the
[28:53] kids teenagers whatever and this is a
generalized statement and i don't mean
[28:58] this about everybody's kids because
mine aren't uh aren't like that and
[29:03] haven't been
but when they run out of things to do
[29:06] then they go find things to do
and sometimes it's not the best things
[29:11] that they find to do and that's the
importance of having
[29:14] park space for me especially on the
south side where they don't have
[29:19] anything
they've got those two or three or four
[29:21] high density projects
out on the west side by the front runner
[29:26] across the street from front runner
and they're everybody wants something to
[29:31] do and if you provide that
through parks and recreation and trails
[29:36] it takes i mean that's just what and
i know peter and nathan and everybody's
[29:42] talk about that that's what
that's what draws good people
[29:48] into a city or
makes them want to settle in a place and
[29:53] raise a family
and that's something that
[29:59] you know i think we really need to focus
on the south side
[30:02] and the quarter mile rule is a stretch
but um anyway that's my two cents on
[30:10] the importance of uh expanding the park
space down there i mean i was looking at
[30:16] the map
and rotary park which i consider to be a
[30:19] pretty good sized park for
you know the middle of the city it's got
[30:23] a base full-size baseball field
lots of uh shade and big playground
[30:29] and two pavilions i mean with the growth
there on the south side of the freeway
[30:36] they'd need at least two
that size and i don't know what the
[30:39] acreage is on rotary or whatever but
it would be nice if they had at least
[30:43] two parks that size
[30:48] um
scott um yeah i definitely uh second
[30:53] what you're saying
um and uh
[30:58] with our community the hoa put in this
retention this water retention area that
[31:05] they put grass on that's a park
it doesn't have like playground
[31:09] equipment or anything it's just an open
grass area
[31:12] and with the growth that's happening
around
[31:16] harbor village we see people
we see a lot of members from um the
[31:23] surrounding neighborhoods
coming to that park as though it's a
[31:27] city park
and it's not it's it's private land it's
[31:31] hoa land that we maintain and we pay for
as an hoa um and
[31:37] that that issue is going to just get
worse and wor
[31:41] and worse if the city doesn't
uh take care of uh the people that are
[31:48] moving in
with appropriate park space
[31:52] okay so i have a really quick question
um
[31:56] and it's been a concern of mine for
quite some time when i moved in
[31:59] to i'm in the northwest part of american
fork
[32:02] when i moved in like parks were built
immediately in like henley park is like
[32:08] two blocks away from me
our specific area is dotted with lots of
[32:15] different parks so how
were we able to afford parks back then
[32:21] and we're not able to afford them now
like what did we do then
[32:25] that made it so we could have parks
is there anybody that can answer that
[32:35] landlord i don't know how land was set
aside for that
[32:39] other than um i don't yeah
that's a cause we we should just do that
[32:46] again
nathan what were you saying i i just
[32:49] said land was probably much much cheaper
back then
[32:53] yeah and so then probably made it easy
so then hopefully if there really is a
[32:59] couple million
in park impact fees before
[33:04] it goes somewhere else maybe we can make
that a priority in the south side
[33:10] and that's a good thought that's that's
the other thing i was going to say is
[33:13] land has increased
but i'm sure the impact fee has also the
[33:17] park impact fees have
also increased and the
[33:21] tax revenue has also increased
right and i'm not sure all those should
[33:27] all of those should increase together
and i think i think camden's going to
[33:31] look into
all the uh funding possibilities that
[33:36] the city has to include the park tax and
the
[33:38] impact fees i mean he's he said he will
do that
[33:42] and like you said with my casual
conversations
[33:46] uh with a couple of city councilmen
there's
[33:49] some money there and um i think the
barber's
[33:53] expressed this in a number of our
meetings and i think
[33:56] city councils on board is you know if we
have the money
[34:01] let's get something at least purchased
that we can
[34:04] work on is and it goes back to
you know this committee is on the same
[34:11] page with the city
and with the city employees that
[34:16] work the parks and develop the parks
everybody's on the same page here it's
[34:21] just how do we approach this
in a more uh concert in concert with one
[34:27] another as opposed to
feeling like somebody's not on board
[34:32] with this because i think everybody's on
board it's just how do we do this how do
[34:36] we get it done
how do we get the funding and once we
[34:38] get the land then
uh we really have an impact on what the
[34:43] park can look like
and and what would be in the park
[34:47] anyway um
[34:51] so back to the master plan
um is there a way
[34:58] that you know i don't know the
rotary park's 10 acres and i don't know
[35:04] if
peter feels like a couple of parts like
[35:07] that would
suffice for that and that you know area
[35:11] that he's in where it's more privately
owned
[35:14] not as high density population
[35:22] or nathan i think it would be uh helpful
um i i to be honest i don't know what
[35:29] uh i think probably a better way to
determine
[35:33] a good way to determine what size needs
to be down here based off of population
[35:38] and i i don't have the population growth
and all of those numbers that
[35:42] the city would but um i know sorry peter
i know orem has a formula where they
[35:48] determine the acreage of parks based on
the population
[35:51] does american fork have something
similar to that yeah
[35:58] yeah sorry the the master plan is what
we would do
[36:02] there's a level of service standard that
we have in the master plan
[36:05] that would kind of drop the number of
acres we would have uh
[36:09] here in the 2015 one it says 6.25 acres
per 1 000 people population
[36:15] we can decide if we want to keep that or
up it or or how would we
[36:19] are we meeting it right now even at its
current standard
[36:22] we were meeting it back then but that's
part of the update is i need to go
[36:26] inventory all the parks and we need to
pull the latest population numbers and
[36:29] kind of see where we're at
that'll be telling too but that's the
[36:33] that's those are the updates that
i think we should work on uh doing
[36:37] that's the data that will help make the
decisions and drive the recommendations
[36:41] is there go ahead is there is it
possible that we can get all that
[36:45] updated before
our meeting in september and i'm i'm not
[36:50] sure we'll have to work with
the city council barbara can go back and
[36:54] find out what works
best for a date in september to meet
[36:59] with the city council it might not be
the second wednesday or whatever but um
[37:04] yeah it'd be the
8th or the 22nd and in terms of getting
[37:08] it updated i'll see what i can do i
think we can get a lot of helpful
[37:11] information
there's a couple of these maps i think
[37:13] it'd be good to get updated the area map
the
[37:16] quarter and half acre or half mile
radius map to kind of show us how we
[37:21] would try and
fulfill those coverages um we'll see
[37:25] what
see what i can do work with our gis and
[37:27] our planning and
public works to get that updated camden
[37:32] do you have any access to the upcoming
building you know like it just would be
[37:39] good to take into consideration at least
the next within the next couple years
[37:43] the population increase
within the next couple years like if
[37:46] you're going to have another big tod
come in i think that that would be
[37:51] useful to take into consideration when
you're looking at your population
[37:56] do you know what i mean yeah i know what
i mean so that's part of the discussion
[38:00] that
that's why it's it's not as easy as just
[38:02] like drawing a circle on it at this
point
[38:04] you want to be more accurate but that's
why i said include public works and
[38:08] planning and stuff is to kind of say
what's in the hopper right now
[38:11] and then we can go to our population
projections through mountain land
[38:15] associative governments they provide
projections there
[38:19] and we kind of use all of that to kind
of say what's the total amount of acres
[38:23] we
we project will need at build out
[38:27] and what do we think we'll need in the
next little bit based off
[38:31] what's currently in the hopper for
development
[38:34] and um based off that information where
do we want to
[38:38] place these parts and how big do we want
them to be
[38:43] and then i was just going to say looking
at my calendar however
[38:46] the 8th and 22nd are the second and
fourth tuesdays
[38:50] wouldn't we be looking at first and
third yeah thanks sorry
[38:54] i did a quick look yeah did i selected
the city council beings not the work
[38:59] sessions
yeah and camden i know you
[39:03] generally have a meeting that conflicts
with ours can we do one that you can
[39:06] come to
[39:10] the city council work session that's on
a tuesday um
[39:15] so like if we did the 15th would you
guys be able to attend the city council
[39:18] work session it's
those are typically four to six well and
[39:23] the key word there is a 10 because
i'm i'm 100 with lisa i will wear
[39:30] a gown and goggles and gloves and a mask
or whatever
[39:34] just so we can meet together because
even
[39:38] this is better than the last meeting but
there's still a lot of breakup and
[39:42] and echoing and feedback and all sorts
of stuff
[39:46] and is the city council meeting together
or do they plan on meeting together next
[39:50] month so right now they're doing
via zoom um and
[39:57] there hasn't been any problems for them
but i think they've got a point now
[40:00] where they've determined the secure
reliable lines or networks or whatever
[40:04] that they can go off of and they use
those
[40:07] i don't know of any in september to
change from that so as
[40:11] right right now it would be a zoom
meeting
[40:16] okay so that does speak to us
preparing for uh that because
[40:23] i'm sure i don't and i don't know how
much a lot of time i don't know if
[40:26] they're going to dedicate
one whole work uh session to us
[40:30] and i don't know if that's the plan or
not um
[40:34] yeah i think right now if let's just say
it's the 15th
[40:38] i don't know that for sure but if that's
the case i don't know if there's
[40:41] anything
any other agenda item set but as i
[40:44] approach that
generally other stuff will be added to
[40:47] it and they kind of feel out how big
these things are going to be
[40:51] i think we would be taking up quite a
bit of time so they'll try to keep the
[40:54] rest
light but it would be good to maybe
[40:57] discuss
kind of the strategy who's going to
[41:00] speak so that we're very focused and
specific
[41:03] and and what you guys want to do
yeah um real quick uh this might be
[41:10] backtracking just a little bit but back
to the topic of
[41:13] um what uh
what is capable of doing
[41:20] um as far as purchasing land uh in this
area
[41:23] um some pieces of information that maybe
i missed
[41:27] maybe maybe we have this information
already i've
[41:30] kind of asked for it in previous
meetings and maybe it's uh
[41:33] camden maybe you have it on on your list
of tasks of things you're trying to
[41:38] figure out i don't know but
um two pieces of information that i
[41:40] think would help answer that question
well
[41:43] one is how much is the land
uh per acre i know we've thrown out
[41:50] three hundred thousand dollars per acre
and i don't i don't
[41:54] know where that number started i think
it was just thrown out loosely
[41:58] by i'm not sure who um but i would be
shocked if the
[42:02] it could be i would be shocked if the
land was actually 300 000
[42:06] uh in an area that has a high water
table
[42:10] um so that getting closer to the lake in
some of these areas we're looking to put
[42:14] a park
um somebody can't be realistically
[42:18] thinking that they're gonna
do massive projects with a high water
[42:22] table right and so
and therefore the land isn't gonna be
[42:25] worth what it is in areas that
could do large projects you could do a
[42:31] park but you
couldn't do a massive project right with
[42:34] a high water table
so so the land's going to be less than i
[42:38] think a lot of us are thinking
right now um as one but it'd be
[42:43] it'd be good to get some actual ver some
somehow figure that out for sure get
[42:48] some get some comps somehow i'm not sure
how or uh maybe talk to the
[42:54] talk to individuals that own the land
there and say how much are you looking
[42:57] for this land and
anyways i don't know get get a better
[43:00] number than what was ever
was thrown out at 300 000 per acre i
[43:04] just don't know where that number came
from i think it was loosely thrown out
[43:07] and then the other piece that i am
really con curious about
[43:11] is in the last 10 years how much
money has been collected in impact fees
[43:19] on this southwest area because i think
that number's a lot
[43:23] higher than then this group is aware of
as well i think the the the cost to
[43:29] purchase land is lower than what we're
thinking
[43:32] and i think the number that has been
collected in the impact fees
[43:36] is a lot higher so i'm curious about
those two numbers specifically
[43:41] hey i apologize to the group my phone's
about to die
[43:44] so if i cut out my phone die okay if you
cut
[43:47] out right now you're the one speaking
for everybody
[43:51] at the city council meeting okay
[43:55] so um do you think do you think those
numbers are attainable
[43:59] are they really tricky this one as i
said the first one we want to look into
[44:03] that um
and we can figure out and you're right
[44:17] just going off of neighboring or similar
or close proximity properties and how
[44:21] much
that land was but yeah if you if you get
[44:24] it up against the lake
um you know where there's the the flood
[44:28] plain stuff it'll be a different amount
so we'll look at those costs
[44:31] um the impact fees
localized to just below i-15 on the
[44:37] south side
i don't i'm not saying no i just i have
[44:40] no idea if that's
uh information we can parcel out we
[44:43] might be able to look at
total impact fees and maybe that's our
[44:46] starting point um
but
[44:53] even if you can't come up with a well
you know
[44:57] an accounting number let's say um
we might be able to come up with uh
[45:02] estimated or calculated number based off
how many
[45:05] how many homes have gone in that area
and multiply that by the
[45:10] the impact fee which i think is three or
four thousand dollars and so
[45:14] um you know i yeah you get several
hundred homes that have been
[45:19] into that area and you multiply it by
three or four thousand and it
[45:22] yeah turns out to be quite a bit of
money
[45:27] yeah it's there's a couple of things uh
come on
[45:30] comment on because there's no uh
ordinance requirement to track the
[45:36] impact
fees that way i do and i'm not
[45:39] 100 familiar with how the city did that
but i'm pretty sure there's no
[45:43] requirement
on an audit wise to show that
[45:49] this area or all this money came from
this area of town and all this money
[45:54] came from eastern park area or whatever
and then the other thing everybody's got
[45:59] to realize and i've seen this over the
past 30 years numerous
[46:02] times and i don't know if all of you are
aware there's supposed to be a causeway
[46:07] across utah lake that
ends up somewhere between the boat
[46:12] harbor
and over lee highway
[46:17] and the reason a lot of the holdup is
anytime
[46:21] a government state federal local
whatever
[46:25] starts approaching property owners
9 out of 10 of them will
[46:32] ask at least
a quarter to a third to a half more than
[46:37] what the
property is actually worth because they
[46:41] think the
government has a bottomless pit of money
[46:44] to
throw out for their properties i know
[46:48] that's part of the causeway issue
because
[46:51] i kind of know some people that were
approached anyway
[46:54] um and and that makes it difficult
because
[46:58] let's say an acre is really only 200 000
that might be to a developer that might
[47:04] be to
you know a friend or family member
[47:07] whatever
but when the city or like you say state
[47:12] comes around and says we need your
property
[47:15] um the dollar signs start flashing in
people's heads and then
[47:20] um and it's no different than that
little rectangle
[47:23] spot there if you go down there it's
wooded it's
[47:27] thick they did you know and these people
live in california so i'm sure there's
[47:31] no
interest in putting their name on it or
[47:34] whatever but they're just looking to
make money
[47:36] and that's that they've been trying to i
think the city's
[47:39] tried to acquire that piece of land for
the past
[47:42] 12 years if i remember right they
they've tried to purchase that a number
[47:47] of times
anyway but we can but cam is going to
[47:56] work on those figures
so uh in preparation
[48:00] i can look at updating some of this
general plan stuff
[48:03] on my end some of the data
and it might help facilitate more of the
[48:09] discussion
but i think it might be good if you guys
[48:12] maybe had a
your own direction or stuff you wanted
[48:15] to to say to
counsel too as i understand it's just to
[48:20] kind of
solidify the importance and the need for
[48:23] you know park space on the south side
which i you know i i know they're aware
[48:28] of but i think it's
any additional dollars beyond what we
[48:31] have you know
we want to go towards this yes we can do
[48:36] it we'll do what it takes
um well and and yeah and in this meeting
[48:40] if we get these
general figures on the on what monies
[48:45] are available
and you know what funds could be used
[48:49] for land
purchase i think we do just really need
[48:53] to focus on
what kind of space are we looking at are
[48:56] we looking at two 20 acre parks
one one uh or two
[49:02] ten acre parts one 20 acre park is that
going to be enough
[49:05] and i think you know i know it's hard to
maybe prepare by the 15th of september
[49:13] um exactly we need
kind of a pretty
[49:19] focused but general um
acreage maybe i don't know but that's
[49:26] what we need to kind of have in place
it's
[49:31] and i don't know if we can put that
together tonight
[49:34] or if we need to have another
maybe interim meeting with the committee
[49:39] to talk about that
i mean i think peter you'd be a good
[49:43] representative for our committee as far
as
[49:47] presenting the need with us there to
support you
[49:51] i know what everybody else how everybody
else about that
[49:54] well and scott like you said it's not
only just buying the land
[49:58] we've talked for years about trails that
will connect to rotary park from the
[50:03] south side like we get i think we
understand
[50:05] it doesn't all happen overnight it can't
all happen right away
[50:08] but if we can put together um
a plan that at least
[50:15] hey this is the what we have right now
what can we do
[50:19] every year what what is some sort of
progression so when parks tax comes back
[50:23] up citizens of american fork are going
to want to vote for it again
[50:27] second you know how how can we
um i don't want to say project the
[50:32] future but like rosanna said
we should have some concrete numbers
[50:36] whether it's law or
you know how they do it or not we really
[50:40] should have a good idea as a city
what do we have where did we get it from
[50:44] and what are we planning on getting
which is what i've talked about in the
[50:48] city council meeting a few months ago
and in our committee
[50:51] we need to have builders be accountable
and participate
[50:55] in giving land and helping with land
that isn't swampland and so if we can
[51:02] look to the future to go not only how
much are we going to collect from our
[51:04] own citizens
and impact fees but what can we do in as
[51:08] far as a master plan
as builders come before we completely
[51:12] build out
which is where we're headed in the near
[51:15] future
and that may be helpful in going to city
[51:19] council to say
okay this is what we have this is what
[51:23] we'd like to see
every year every five years in 10 years
[51:28] we talk about it all the time we need to
improve our rec center
[51:32] we need a basketball gym where kids can
play basketball
[51:35] not one in our city pickleball it's
something that is for all ages
[51:40] and really in a time now where we have
corona and who knows what's going to
[51:44] happen with school or
whatever else we need great recreational
[51:48] opportunities
right to spend time
[51:54] yep i agree
[51:58] but camden i just want you to know and
barbara i don't feel like they said a
[52:02] master plan isn't good
but i do feel it was made clear at least
[52:07] to me and i think to others
from what you're saying camden maybe
[52:10] others have told you the same
it was very made clear that a master
[52:14] plan is never a master
and it it does need to be flexible which
[52:19] i completely understand we talked about
roads we talked about water
[52:22] needs in the city which obviously come
before perks i get it
[52:26] but when you talk about hindley park
that took 20 years to get a parking lot
[52:31] paved
somewhere the master plan was never a
[52:35] master plan
and if we can hopefully get things on
[52:39] the agenda
at least in writing maybe like you said
[52:43] as or barbara said as council has to go
through and evaluate
[52:48] at least there is something in writing
that shows a purpose
[52:52] and a plan and a desire of your citizens
yeah well and i think and i agree 100
[53:00] what happens is in the master plan i bet
if you go back and look 15 20 years ago
[53:07] that henley park as it is now with the
parking lot
[53:11] was envisioned and in the master plan
but then
[53:14] to your point lisa and what you said is
during that time i also know that they
[53:20] had replaced the water mains
along third north and i
[53:28] think money shifts to where those things
don't get accomplished or come to
[53:35] fruition
in the in the timeliness that a lot of
[53:40] people thinks but that's because the
city council
[53:43] has to reallocate money sometimes and
i'm not talking
[53:46] well a little bit with the impact fees
well impact fees cannot be reallocated
[53:50] right
not impact fees but other other
[53:55] funding streams the taxes that are
collected and things
[53:59] they're also the part none of the parts
are funded strictly from the park fund
[54:03] or the impact fees there's a lot that
are
[54:05] that's picked up by the general budget
anyway it's it's a difficult part
[54:13] of being uh in the city council and
i haven't been there but i've attended a
[54:18] lot of meetings in the past
and not as many as i should have in
[54:23] recently but i'll start doing that when
i can come and visit
[54:26] um anyway it's just
and i feel for everybody's
[54:35] frustration with this situation but it's
it's nothing that everybody
[54:42] city employees city council and us want
to figure out
[54:46] and try to make things work better
absolutely anyway um
[54:54] so
[54:58] how do we want to approach this on the
15th do we do we need to have another
[55:02] meeting with the committee and just talk
about
[55:04] talking points and then and then see uh
what peter and nathan and the committee
[55:10] feels about
the parks end of things i agree with
[55:13] lisa we really need to push
oh and that reminds me there's no
[55:17] directional signs in the new uh
paved road up to the between main street
[55:23] and uh the rec center
[55:28] they've got the they've got the bike and
walking or they've got the bike lanes
[55:33] striped off
but um oh yeah
[55:38] they need those directional thing things
painted in there and they need to be
[55:43] going with traffic not against traffic
yeah
[55:47] [Music]
[55:50] how long do you need to reason you know
how much time do you need to get those
[55:55] numbers or kind of a feeling of where
we've been where we're at where we can
[55:59] go
is the 15th just too soon do we need to
[56:02] have that meeting in october
well here here's my concern um
[56:07] i like i i feel like we should be
working on the master plan and updating
[56:11] it and then once we feel like we have
that done
[56:13] as a committee so you guys have gone
through you've edited we've tweaked some
[56:17] stuff together
not just me doing it and presenting it
[56:20] but that you guys would then take it and
present it to council
[56:24] i was thinking that meeting would be
different than what i
[56:27] this one has become which is what i
thought was just kind of you guys
[56:30] venting your frustrations and your
concerns and
[56:33] and advocating again for parks on the
south side
[56:37] but it sounds like you're wanting the
master plan stuff really
[56:40] put together before you have a
conversation with council
[56:45] and no i'm yeah i'm fine
i'm fine with the conversation with
[56:50] council i don't think we
we can have the master plan update
[56:55] or i don't i don't know if we can have
the master plan updated because
[56:59] again these zoom meetings are really
really
[57:02] really difficult especially when we
would all like to be together looking at
[57:08] a map and pointing things out and being
able to do some overlays and
[57:13] and things like that which are really
difficult to do online
[57:17] um i i think that maybe this next
meeting would
[57:22] be a good time to you know ask some hard
questions
[57:26] and get some answers and then
and then we can work on the master plan
[57:32] and have that in place
in october november present that and
[57:37] then be ready for the park tax
uh discussions that we have at the end
[57:42] of every year
so scott do you feel like we need to
[57:46] submit to council some questions that we
have
[57:49] otherwise i feel like it's going to be
like camden just personally
[57:52] i don't know i've got to look at that
which i can't blame them if they don't
[57:55] know what
the questions are or the answers we want
[57:58] so then we can say
okay this is their feeling or their
[58:02] direction how do we do a master plan
around that or are you just expecting to
[58:09] go in and when you say frustration for
me at least
[58:12] it's not really frustration as much as
we want to be an advocate you have
[58:15] people on this committee who have been
on it for years
[58:18] because they love love love the rex
department the park department
[58:22] we have kids in it it's something that
we
[58:25] want to promote or be an advocate for
so that future generations we want to be
[58:31] here for years to come we want to see
our kids
[58:33] playing and having fun and and all that
so i hope it isn't coming across as
[58:39] total frustration
as much as we're just trying to be good
[58:42] citizens and good advocates
in an area that isn't really getting
[58:46] much attention
right well no i you know i think we can
[58:52] represent our committee as
far as the importance we place on parks
[58:59] and
especially getting more done down on the
[59:01] south side of the city
i think we can also
[59:07] ask some questions and
um you know i don't know exactly
[59:14] as peter has some specific things that
he would like to know
[59:18] but we may be able to answer or can
maybe may be able to get the figures to
[59:23] answer at least one of those
questions or at least a close figure on
[59:27] the second one
but focusing on parks trails and
[59:32] recreation
we we would like to see a solid trail
[59:38] bike trail walking path that somehow in
some way shape or form goes from
[59:44] the boat harbor through the city
connects with third north or whatever
[59:49] up to center street and then connects to
the murdoch
[59:53] canal trail it would also be nice to see
the trails connect
[59:57] parked especially the bigger ones like
rotary park and
[1:00:02] and library park and hunter park and
and and some of those parks um
[1:00:08] and then but the focus on the park into
things is
[1:00:12] for me is strictly on the south side i
mean
[1:00:15] in that meeting you know i pointed out i
live in the older part of the city but
[1:00:19] i've got
i've got like five fairly so
[1:00:24] four set fairly substantial parts within
two or three blocks of where i live and
[1:00:29] it would be nice that
you know and and it'd be nice if the
[1:00:34] city council could see that they could
leave that legacy
[1:00:37] down on the south end of the city
you know a similar thing where you sit
[1:00:43] back in one of these parts and sit there
and think oh those people
[1:00:47] 40 50 60 years ago were really they
really had uh
[1:00:52] some thought that went into this plan
[1:00:58] anyway i think that's a good thought
i like that um
[1:01:06] well so what do we want to do
um do we do we want to submit some
[1:01:13] questions and put some questions
together to give the city council a
[1:01:16] heads up
um barbara can you comment
[1:01:21] you're our city council rep can you
comment on how you feel with your
[1:01:25] years of experience it would be best my
initial
[1:01:28] thought is that this is
a meeting not so much as the committee
[1:01:35] presenting what
what you want or the council saying this
[1:01:39] is what we want
it's sitting down and hammering things
[1:01:42] out together
i think that's the plan and
[1:01:46] i hope that that's the collaborative
effect that we're trying to
[1:01:50] come up with i think
if you had your major points that you
[1:01:57] brought out that you wanted to
include i think that would be perfect
[1:02:03] too so are you going to take back
today's meeting
[1:02:06] to council and give them a heads up or
is that something that you need us to do
[1:02:10] to reach out
well i think the idea of coming up with
[1:02:14] the
questions and things may be just as much
[1:02:18] for staff
as it would be for the council maybe
[1:02:21] even more so
so maybe camden could take those things
[1:02:28] and you could work in conjunction with
him and he could be looking those things
[1:02:32] up
he's got more association
[1:02:37] with the finance people and things like
that than the council members do
[1:02:41] immediately anyway sorry camden
all right i don't know if i'm quite
[1:02:48] clear
you mean for them to ask the questions
[1:02:51] to me and see what i can
answer on the staff side
[1:02:55] either what you can answer or what you
know you can go to
[1:03:00] uh anna and get information about what
money is available what money is and
[1:03:05] here you've got fbs
access that's the word i'm looking for
[1:03:11] to
the uh the books and things like that
[1:03:15] a little more readily the more updated
books
[1:03:19] and things and and if i can help you do
something
[1:03:24] i can do that you know
[1:03:28] but maybe if if people would just funnel
their questions and you could
[1:03:32] say oh anna would be the perfect one for
this or let's give this to
[1:03:37] so-and-so to research or whatever
um yeah and of what
[1:03:45] smooth do you do it that way yeah one of
the questions i know
[1:03:49] i would be interested in that somebody
asked already was
[1:03:53] if the if we're meeting the six point
whatever acres per thousand people
[1:04:00] per thousand residents or however that's
point two five
[1:04:04] six point two five acres per thousand
and are we talking about in the south
[1:04:09] end
as well as up by the temple and the new
[1:04:11] developments talked about up there as
well
[1:04:13] yeah this this would apply to the entire
city
[1:04:17] yeah yeah that i would be definitely
interested
[1:04:22] in seeing if if we're still meeting
that currently and then
[1:04:29] we have peter's questions about the
impact fees
[1:04:32] um anything else specific that camden
and i can't remember what everything
[1:04:37] we've talked about do you have anything
on your
[1:04:38] else on your list camden
[1:04:43] no in general i feel like this is
for me it's kind of like yes let's
[1:04:48] update the master plan and all the data
associated with it we want to look at
[1:04:51] these things
and so with that direction i feel like
[1:04:54] we can finally get started
to me it felt like we were we hadn't
[1:04:59] quite doubled down on that or i guess
fully embraced that um and so
[1:05:05] that it's all the data associated with
that it's going to be the number of
[1:05:09] parks
the the level of service is 6.25 do we
[1:05:13] still want to keep it at you know
quarter mile mile
[1:05:16] half mile um uh in there in the master
plan there's a narrative that even says
[1:05:22] we
want a art die size and type of park on
[1:05:26] the south side as well
and it does sound like that's changed
[1:05:29] but those are the things that it's like
but that's the data and that's the
[1:05:32] decisions and that's the information i
think
[1:05:35] i can update on my end but then i you
know the committee
[1:05:38] that then it's the committee's trying to
really fine-tune it and focus it
[1:05:42] um in the direction we want ahead right
and the other one i think
[1:05:46] uh rosanna brought up which would be
interesting
[1:05:50] is the you know we're landlocked in a
lot of areas but the projected
[1:05:55] population increase over the next 10
years
[1:05:59] down on the south side where these you
know where there's still land that
[1:06:03] they're building on
see what that looks like yeah and
[1:06:08] that's i mean that's dad in it too in
2015 it kind of said
[1:06:12] i can't remember where but i said you
know based off build out projections we
[1:06:16] need
and based off our level of service
[1:06:18] standard we need this many hundred i
think it was like 110 acres or something
[1:06:22] like that
no it had to have been more than that
[1:06:24] probably and so it's updating that
number too but that
[1:06:27] it's informed by our population our
projections and our development
[1:06:32] so all of those those numbers it's a
simple number
[1:06:35] but to get to it is all the work that we
would be doing together
[1:06:41] because because surely down there on the
south side you've
[1:06:45] at least had a thousand people don't you
think especially the high density
[1:06:50] and there hasn't been a part to answer
to that population increase
[1:06:55] or maybe you can just double check that
i don't know
[1:06:59] what needs yeah we we've had we've had a
lot more than a thousand people down
[1:07:03] here
yeah it just doesn't seem like
[1:07:07] the number like we have you know so many
acres per thousand people but
[1:07:11] there's no acreage going into the south
side according to the
[1:07:14] increase of in population including
um up by the temple there
[1:07:21] yeah that's that's huge that's a huge
development also
[1:07:24] and there's no park like easily
accessible park right in that area well
[1:07:31] yeah the accessibility is a question if
you look at quail cove
[1:07:35] and this park up there by right yeah
thank you lisa yeah but you can't send
[1:07:41] little kids
to that park yeah you it goes you have
[1:07:45] to go across a really busy road
right yeah so yes i agree and so the
[1:07:50] action
go ahead no i was just gonna say and
[1:07:54] those are builders
that have money and means to give you
[1:07:58] park land
and we didn't i don't know that we took
[1:08:01] the fullest advantage of that
one thing to remember is the builders
[1:08:05] have the option to donate
land or to pay the fees right
[1:08:10] but if they pay the fees then that money
should
[1:08:13] really go to that use i get it might be
needed for roads or for
[1:08:19] water and that is a top priority but we
keep
[1:08:22] collecting fees but not doing parks
if they pay the fees it stays in that uh
[1:08:28] fund so it must be a pretty good size
fund barbara do you know the amount on
[1:08:33] that fund
i don't is it in the three four or five
[1:08:38] million
[1:08:41] i haven't i'm not good we're talking
about the impact fee
[1:08:44] uh-huh yeah like i mean it kind of seems
like we're stockpiling
[1:08:48] impact fees like where are they going we
have i i think it's three million
[1:08:52] that's the i don't i don't really want
to give you a number but it's i want to
[1:08:55] say it's around three million because i
gotta net out
[1:08:58] whatever we're obligated for our die
and to make sure there's no other
[1:09:03] obligations we have to pay out of it
before i give you
[1:09:05] yeah so maybe that's good information
camden when
[1:09:08] you go over it to say this is really
what we have to work with
[1:09:12] right this is how much parks department
needs i mean i know our parks department
[1:09:16] employees have been cut
you know things like that that okay
[1:09:20] there's more to it than just we have
this fun
[1:09:23] but i think before we can give you an
educated plan you have to know what your
[1:09:26] finances are just like you do in a
family
[1:09:29] you can't just give a plan without
knowing where it's coming from
[1:09:36] yep well and it would be interesting not
that we can answer this right now but
[1:09:42] do the developers pay their impact fees
up front
[1:09:46] because then the city could turn around
and buy three quarter acre
[1:09:50] four quarter acre six quarter acre lots
in the center of their development and
[1:09:55] set it aside for parks
if if that's what they choose to do
[1:10:00] instead of giving up land
they they pay an impact or they pay the
[1:10:05] tax fees so i think i i can probably
answer that for
[1:10:09] us um the money was taken out at time of
close
[1:10:14] so at the closing um
from everything i could understand on my
[1:10:19] documents when i closed
the money was taken out at that point
[1:10:23] given to the city
so um so i think the unit does have to
[1:10:28] be closed on before the city gets money
so basically we were yeah
[1:10:34] but the builder pays those fees not
i mean the builders paying for the land
[1:10:40] impact fees that's a total different
thing what you're paying for computers
[1:10:44] for your individual lot
the builder has to pay their own impact
[1:10:47] fees yeah so if the builder
pays their impact fees up front
[1:10:53] couldn't the city turn around and buy
lots of the
[1:10:56] builder um to set aside for
parks because we you didn't scan that
[1:11:02] map all the way up to
or like around the temple or val vista
[1:11:07] but that was
that's been a discussion that we've had
[1:11:09] before about they put that development
in and there's no part space and then
[1:11:15] people pointed out well val vista's
less than a quarter mile away but then
[1:11:20] we pointed out that it's not an
easy trip for a k eight-year-old kid on
[1:11:24] a bike
to get to val vista from that new
[1:11:27] development behind the temple
no well and lastly camden if you could
[1:11:33] report back
we keep saying can we contact individual
[1:11:37] business owners
individual you know residents who own
[1:11:40] land companies
is there a spot that american fork city
[1:11:45] is willing to help contribute to
if we can get help from the community
[1:11:51] so that we kind of also can put that
into the plan
[1:11:55] is there an area that you know
is okay according to the county and
[1:12:00] according to the city and
all of that
[1:12:06] so so you're asking um like what are
what areas does is the city willing to
[1:12:12] kind of say yes this is a property we
want to purchase
[1:12:15] well in general or or a general area
i think we've talked about before some
[1:12:20] of the landis county
and so or it crosses county so there's
[1:12:24] some
hesitation in some areas of the south
[1:12:27] side or
like scott mentioned with the bridge
[1:12:29] coming over i think if you could give us
some
[1:12:33] input on where feasibly could we do
another regional park sure if we had the
[1:12:40] money
not that we can in my mind we would
[1:12:44] again kind of apply update the master
plan and when i say that as we as we
[1:12:48] look at these metrics
that we have in the plan right now you
[1:12:51] know the 6.25 and the
the the buffer the quarter mile stuff
[1:12:56] and we start mapping these out and then
we come up with
[1:12:58] areas we're interested in we decide how
many
[1:13:02] big parks we want and then that covers
that as well as
[1:13:06] smaller ones and then once we do that
then we have a more of a focus then we
[1:13:11] actually start looking at the properties
there and we look at the current
[1:13:14] snapshot of the area kind of saying what
is county what is city
[1:13:19] what what uh property owners are
interested what properties are
[1:13:23] uninterested
what we'll be annexing soon to base off
[1:13:26] development and
all those are kind of what can we do
[1:13:30] right now that that'll inform those
decisions but it would start with kind
[1:13:33] of knowing
where we want to go you know what the
[1:13:38] big picture i
i hope i'm not speaking for the
[1:13:40] committee too much but i think we just
want some land
[1:13:43] but every you know we don't know as
committee members we don't know what's
[1:13:47] counting at least i don't
i don't know what has certain parameters
[1:13:51] governmental wise
so if you could just enlighten us a
[1:13:55] little bit on this area is totally off
limits or
[1:13:58] hey these areas are some you could
choose from and then we could go over
[1:14:03] how are the trails
what's nearest how can we connect but we
[1:14:07] just keep chasing our tail because we
don't
[1:14:10] really have any information to make even
an educated guess
[1:14:14] yeah we i think we should look at that
yeah and i can i can get that together
[1:14:18] um and we can discuss as a committee
when we look at the map
[1:14:23] awesome thanks one thing to be very
careful
[1:14:26] for is not to make any promises
because committee members cannot commit
[1:14:32] and say okay we'll name this park after
you or whatever
[1:14:35] it has to be a city action
and you can say this is a possibility
[1:14:42] and i'll take it to them and present it
and let you know that
[1:14:47] don't make promises it has happened in
the past it could happen now
[1:14:53] yeah i think that's full circle back to
what we started with kind of earlier on
[1:14:56] is
once we kind of have this plan in place
[1:14:59] and this information
that's when we kind of strategize the
[1:15:02] best way to approach people
and and what to do there and so yeah it
[1:15:06] wouldn't be just us running out knocking
on doors
[1:15:08] the committee or even staff doing that
it would kind of be who has the best
[1:15:14] contact what's the current
develop like we need to talk to public
[1:15:18] works even and
maybe even the city manager just because
[1:15:22] some of these
developments that are occurring are
[1:15:25] sensitive
and um and so you kind of need to know
[1:15:30] that environment to navigate those
waters too when you're talking to
[1:15:32] somebody
right well i appreciate that and i hope
[1:15:35] that the city will also be an advocate
like we've talked about with amazon
[1:15:41] if when they are approaching companies
who want to come build or
[1:15:45] they're being approached that they can
keep in mind recreational space
[1:15:50] well yeah and a lot of those big
developments do look at
[1:15:54] or big companies do look at what kind of
recreation
[1:15:58] is offered in that immediate area i was
going to say
[1:16:01] a perfect example of and i don't know
how this came about
[1:16:05] but once the land's purchased which is
kind of on the city i mean we can
[1:16:09] approach some people maybe
but when we start putting things in the
[1:16:14] park
that's when we can go to businesses
[1:16:16] camden do you have
any idea how they got the starting
[1:16:20] blocks for the
swim uh team up at the pool or for the
[1:16:25] swimming competitions up at the pool
um because they're each night labeled or
[1:16:31] branded it looks like it was donated by
i can't remember who so i'm guessing
[1:16:35] derek just on his own reached out to
somebody
[1:16:38] yeah because there's one from doterra
there's one from a family
[1:16:42] uh there's one from doug smith i think
and
[1:16:45] you know i imagine each one of those
cost
[1:16:48] maybe a couple thousand dollars i don't
know they're i mean they're
[1:16:52] really well built really well done but
that's the kind of thing i think the
[1:16:57] committee would like to help with
if possible and like with uh with
[1:17:02] what you and harvard said we got to have
the plan done
[1:17:06] and then get the land and then get a
better idea of what
[1:17:10] um you know the city's willing to do to
get some of those things donated like a
[1:17:14] big playground or
some kind of splash pad or whatever yeah
[1:17:19] i actually have to go um is there
anything else you need
[1:17:23] from me or no i think what
just to really wind up quickly let's all
[1:17:30] uh put together two or three questions
that each one of us would like to ask
[1:17:35] like
priority questions and then
[1:17:39] the committee we can just email back and
forth and then
[1:17:44] maybe give everybody five ten minutes
to you know ask those questions or
[1:17:50] whatever and they can't be too far off
base of what we've given
[1:17:54] uh camden what we've asked uh camden
together as far as information
[1:17:59] goes but um but
really just focus on uh
[1:18:06] those things that we've talked about the
land acquisition and how much land do we
[1:18:10] want to see on the south side
set aside for uh park space and
[1:18:16] you know what we'd like to see the trail
look like in the next five to ten years
[1:18:22] and then
you know that's the basis of what we're
[1:18:25] gonna do in the master plan
[1:18:29] is everybody okay with that sounds good
sounds great thank you everyone so let's
[1:18:36] move to adjourn before
rosanna takes off on us okay i'll i'll
[1:18:42] i second okay that's unanimous and we're
gonna meet on the 15th
[1:18:48] at what time um uh what time's their
meeting
[1:18:52] camden
[1:18:57] will you let us know where uh
yes if it's not zoom i mean we'll send
[1:19:02] you if it's not zoom i'll let you know
it would probably be
[1:19:06] the city the city administration
building here
[1:19:10] camden i know multiple city committees
have already met in person
[1:19:14] if there's any chance that you can
suggest if that's our committee
[1:19:18] request not just me we would love to
meet in person
[1:19:22] we can do it safely our kids are going
back to school we would love to do it in
[1:19:26] person
like i said we'll we're we'll wear masks
[1:19:30] goggles
gloves and a gown if they want us to
[1:19:34] sure yeah barbara and i will pass the
message along um based off
[1:19:38] you know they have other considerations
to help kind of inform
[1:19:42] when they do that when they'll make that
transition back but we'll definitely let
[1:19:45] them know the desire
thank you thank you thanks thanks
[1:19:51] everyone
thank you see y'all later