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Good evening.

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Call the regular meeting of the Ames City Council for Tuesday, March 24th to order.

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And we will get right into business on Consent.

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Staff has asked that we pull

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item number eight.

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The applicant is not ready to proceed as of yet.

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And I would like to pull item 36.

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Anything else that Council wants to pull tonight?

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Hearing none.

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Entertain a motion to approve Consent less

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Item eight and 36.

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So moved. Second.

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Thank you. Role call.

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Betcher? Aye.

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Junck? Aye.

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Corrieri? Aye.

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Rollins? Aye.

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Beatty-Hansen? Aye.

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Gartin? Aye.

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All right.

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Item 36. Mark, would you please,

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I have a question for you.

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If you would.

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As we are, and Council is entering into a resolution

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on, development agreement, final plat, public improvements.

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Just wanted to just

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reconfirm that, your office and you are supportive of this,

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item.

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It I mean, I think maybe supportive.

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It's just not the right, quite right word.

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There's been this issue raised about an Iowa Code section

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that says that we can't give away property.

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Cities cannot give away property for free.

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Right.

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It's it's very clear in the Iowa Code. And,

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it's been,

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we have we have done similar things in the past.

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We've had a lot of, consideration in return for that.

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So we've been able to sort of justify it.

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Well, giving this away for less than fair market value.

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But we're getting this and this and this in return for it.

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That may be here.

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I have concerns whether we have enough here or not.

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And I don't really know what those items are.

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And but it's,

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you know, I think we have to be cognizant of that

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Iowa Code section and that there's a certain level of risk here.

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If we go ahead.

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Honestly, the courts that there's a constitutional provision in Iowa

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that says the cities cannot give money away, that's separate

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from the Iowa Code section, says we can't give real property away.

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The the constitutional provision, the,

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Iowa Supreme Court has said we can give money to,

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for economic development purposes, and it doesn't violate the Constitution.

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Okay.

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Other purposes.

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We can't just give money. We have to contract for services.

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You know, which we do.

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We can't just give money that like, hey, you're good organization.

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I'm going to give you money to support.

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You can't do that right. Buy services from them.

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So we can give but we can give money for economic development purposes.

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That's that's clear in Iowa law.

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So what we what we could

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have done in this situation is we could,

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we could have just given money to Keystone,

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and then they could have turned around and use that money to buy

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the property from us.

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You know, but we

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didn't do that where we're looking at just, you know,

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basically transferring ownership of the property to them.

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I have concerns about that.

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I, I don't know,

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if we were to get sued over it, if we would win.

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Okay, so there's a certain amount of risk there.

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You may decide that the risk is worth it.

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And you really want to do this, and you want to go ahead.

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Okay.

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So I just feel an obligation to sort of

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just tell you about that risk and my concern about it.

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But, you know, I, I'm not really making a recommendation here

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that we should move ahead or not move ahead.

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I'm just saying, there is a certain amount of risk.

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You know, Kelly may have some thoughts on

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what the benefits are that we're that we're getting out of this.

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And, you know, you know, maybe there's enough to, to justify it.

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I'm just trying to think, like, if the court is looking at this

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and saying, okay, we have a Code section that says city can't transfer property,

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on, you know, for free.

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I can't give it away.

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The City has given it away.

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You know.

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What makes this valid then?

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Right?

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We would sort of have the burden of proving

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why this was a valid property transfer.

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So that's my concern.

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Okay, so I have a couple of questions

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or concerns of my own.

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So when some of the residents first brought up that Code section,

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I know we had asked you to come up for comment on that, and I felt

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I don't know how the rest of Council felt that it was pretty explicit when you said

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that the Code section, the language is this.

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But we have

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the economic development factor right in our favor in this case,

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because we had spent time justifying why it was for economic development purposes.

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And you also made a comment that your office

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had already been discussing this issue, and you felt pretty confident that we were

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solid in our standing in terms of the economic development argument.

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Which kind of goes to the consideration piece of it as well,

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because I think there's been numerous meetings where we've discussed

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not just economic development argument, but how this supports council goals,

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how we've considered that factor in relation to,

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low and moderate income housing

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and our desire to identify pieces of property that aren't well used,

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that have room to do increase density to benefit those housing goals.

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So I'm just a little confused as to why, in all the times that we've discussed

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that, that we haven't really heard any concerns up until now.

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Yeah. And that's fair.

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I it, you know, honestly, I that came up at the Council meeting,

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I came up and I said, well, you know, we've done this for before

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with Baker Subdivision and, and, and we had discussed it in the office and,

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and our thinking at the time was, well, we've done this for the Baker subdivision.

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It's just that as I have gone on since then and thought about it

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and, you know, I, I've, I've had second thoughts on it and,

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and it really kind of came to a head this afternoon because,

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you know, Renee got an email with an open records request that went through,

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and I just saw this whole string of things,

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and it made me worried that, you know, we might get sued on this.

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So I felt an obligation to tell you that I think there's a risk here.

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Now, we may have enough.

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We may have enough to be able to justify this.

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Okay.

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As my thinking before was that we did because of all the economic development

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reasons and such, we may have enough to justify it.

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I'm not saying don't do it.

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Okay.

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Just very clear.

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I'm not saying don't move ahead.

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I'm just saying that there is a risk here.

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And so because there's a risk just I want you to be aware of that.

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Okay. And,

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you know, if we if we move ahead of this,

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I feel like we can defend it, but, I can't guarantee will win that.

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Right.

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So just that's just the FYI

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I am trying to give you here is that I cannot guarantee we would win.

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So there's a risk.

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So I just want you to understand the risk and you may find that risk acceptable.

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And and you know,

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if we lose, if we were sued

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and if we lost, and then we end up, you know,

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it voids the transfer of the property, and we would end up owning property again.

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There's probably a way we can figure that out.

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You know, it's kind of a messy situation,

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but there's probably a way we can figure that out and move forward.

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But, but my whole point is

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I just want to let you know there's some risk.

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And again, my thinking has evolved on this, and and I apologize.

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I should have, should have gone out on this earlier, but,

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but I, I'm not saying don't move ahead, okay?

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I'm not saying that.

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I'm just saying, you know, where there's a risk, okay?

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I don't want anyone to say.

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Mark, why didn't you warn us there was a risk of this happening.

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So here it is.

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Okay. She has something else. No.

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Is there a timing issue associated with this item that this is.

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We have to do this today because

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I feel like we need to have a little more.

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And I don't want to put you on the spot.

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Mark, I'd like to give you a chance to do a deeper dive talk with colleagues

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around the state, because this we can't be the first city

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in the state of Iowa that has one that is something like this. So,

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the well, is there a tie on it?

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But is there a timing issue on this project?

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Yeah. Well, I feel like there is.

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There is because there's an option agreement that,

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for that expires at the end of the month.

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Right. Kelly expires today. Yeah.

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Okay. Yeah.

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And that, I mean, that I guess I've always believed

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this to be an economic development,

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this idea.

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Like, that's why they're applying for the housing task force.

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Housing. Right.

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Can I just clarify on the timing issue?

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So the way we wrote an alternative to that,

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for some reason, it like the development agreement one, added terms what the way

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the option agreement is written is that if you didn't approve it tonight,

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the purchaser is relieved from being responsible

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or having to follow through on anything so they could walk away from the property

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is what they could do.

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If you were to continue it to the next meeting in April,

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they would have to agree to that,

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for the option agreement to survive all the way till April 14th.

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If they didn't want to participate anymore and walk away, they could do that.

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If they didn't want to accept the terms that were put forward by the City tonight.

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If you change them, they could walk away that that's the limit there.

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They they have an interest of starting as soon as possible,

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with construction this spring.

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But it's really the fact you have an agreement that says it needs to be,

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executed tonight for both parties to be consistent with that.

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Agreed.

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But agreements are modified all the time, and so is, you know,

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is the developer here.

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I mean, I have not seen them.

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They're not aware of any conversation of this matter.

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It's it's, unusual for us to be in a situation where we're we're having

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to make sort of a decision on the fly, of this importance,

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I, I'm wondering

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if there's the an interest in Council to,

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pause this issue, come back to it later and give Kelly the opportunity

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to visit with the developer to see if they'd be interested in just,

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modifying the option for a month

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to give us a chance to make sure that we're on all fours on this.

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I don't know what new information we're going to gather.

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Well, not not a not factual questions or legal questions.

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So, I mean, Mark, I guess the question is to you,

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if you had more time, would that benefit your ability

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to research this and provide us with sound counsel?

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It would, but I honestly, I'm not asking for that.

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All I wanted to do was just I just want I felt the responsibility

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to say to you that there is a risk here, right?

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But that's not acceptable for me.

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I mean, because there's a risk for everything, right?

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But we we need a greater,

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level of of description.

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We can be sued for anything, any time.

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The question is

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What is our well, the strengths and weaknesses of such a claim under Iowa law.

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And so.

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All right.

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And I the last thing I want to do is pressure you

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to answer a question you're not ready to answer.

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But if you would, you want more time to research.

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I will tell you, there's not a lot of case law on this.

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You know, on this kind of a question. So,

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I mean, there have been some,

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you know, property transfers that have been voided by the courts

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because, you know, a city had just given property away.

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But there's a couple of those.

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It's there's just not, like, a lot of case law on this.

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Okay. Is there any other questions for Mark?

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Well, there is okay. Go ahead.

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If we're going to do this

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under economic development and this is under chapter 15A. Yes.

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in the Iowa Code.

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Are there things that we

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need to set out in a Council meeting

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that creates the, the factual foundation that if we were to be sued?

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In other words, do we we need to reach some kind of statement

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as a Council that says we are doing this for these reasons?

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Yeah, I, I think if you go ahead and you approve this, it's defensible

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based upon the discussions that have already happened,

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I can't guarantee we would win. Okay.

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So that's that's what I'm trying to tell you.

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I think it's defensible.

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I think we have a good argument.

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I just, you know, and sometimes you have to go with.

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Well, I think we have a good argument, and so we're going to do it.

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But, but, but but I'm trying to buttress our argument and,

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and I'm, I'm looking to you to, to give us counsel on this.

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Are, are there things that you would want us as a Council

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to say we are doing this for these reasons so that it's a,

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it's a we have a greater likelihood of success if we're challenged.

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It I think it's

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already been made clear that you're doing it for economic development.

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Okay. Since and that is the key thing.

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Okay. Okay. Thanks. So yeah.

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So maybe maybe just to kind of restate,

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this isn't the first time any of us have seen it. Right.

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And we went through many steps.

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This is the last step in a 11 month journey.

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So we held the public hearing as required by Iowa Code in May of 2025

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on the disposition of the property that was a published notice.

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It was a notice meeting.

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City Council adopted a resolution, as required by law, to accept an offer

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to purchase the property for $1, with an option agreement

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subject to the conditions being met, which is that they would build

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certain types of housing and secure funds for affordable housing.

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So we had that hearing 11 months ago.

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We adopted that option agreement at that time.

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That's when the first conversation where you were Mark commented back to you

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about the input from the neighborhood.

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So at that time, we've we've said all along that yes, economic development

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for the construction

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and production of housing is essential to the welfare of the city.

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And that was within our public purpose and our public power to support that.

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And that was the concept of why, which I think is very important here,

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that we created an RFP in 2004 to allow for anybody

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to bid on the property to establish fair market value.

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No one bid on the property.

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So it's not that we had offers to do something

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at a greater amount of money, and we accepted less.

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So we had no offers.

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We got a proposal roughly nine months after the RFP was not successful,

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which is the one that we accepted and said that we would move forward

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if you gave us the value of the property at $1 to do workforce housing.

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So to me, we we have gone through an appropriate process

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of looking for for fair market value offers.

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We got none.

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We accepted an offer, had a hearing notice, it notified

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the neighborhood and have gone through all of these steps.

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So it's not like tonight we're starting something new.

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We're just refreshing our memories on everything we have done to get to tonight

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since. Why?

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I would agree with Mark is hopefully the record reflects

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all of that from the last almost two years.

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But that is why I want to restate all of that.

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And Tim, I would just agree with Kelly, the it's I think the record is there.

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You know, you've made that at, at many Council meetings.

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Okay.

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What I was trying to do here and, and I apologize.

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I, I'm not trying to derail this.

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I'm not saying don't do it.

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I am saying there's a certain amount of risk here.

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I just want you to be aware of that. Okay?

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That's really it. That's my bottom line.

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So, you know, and like you said, Tim, there's risk in everything in life.

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You know, anytime you take action, there's risks.

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And there are questions to that. You want to know.

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This has been very helpful. Thank you both.

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Any other questions? No. Entertain a motion. Move alternative one.

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which is just for clarification for the audience.

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Oh, to approve the development agreement

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and final plat and accept the public improvements agreement.

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Thank you. Is there a second? Second. Okay. Roll call.

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Junck? Aye.

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Corrieri? Aye.

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Rollins? Aye.

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Beatty-Hansen? Aye.

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Gartin? Aye.

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Betcher? Aye.

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Thank you.

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Move on public forum.

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It's time we set aside for comments from the public

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on topics of City business other than those listed on the agenda.

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We ask people limit their comments to three minutes or less.

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I have one person who's signed up for public forum.

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There are other people

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interested in talking about other items, but Jeri, do you want to go ahead and,

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address Council and

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Jeri Neal, 916 Ridgewood Avenue

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I'm speaking tonight about solar investments

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on behalf of a working group from the Ames Climate Action Team.

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We have been closely following,

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the City's opportunity to construct a solar field 24.9MW.

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I believe it is on the municipal airport property.

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We believe that solar investment,

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makes a lot of sense for the City for four reasons.

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One, it helps us to meet our climate goals.

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Of course.

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Importantly, though, it is the lowest cost energy generating

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technology that's available today, and that sources from the DOE.

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the cost of the actual fuel, which would be sunlight that's free.

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And it's inflation proof.

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That's an important point when we think of the future.

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And this is also the fastest technology to deploy.

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So we believe I think like you do, that the low cost source of energy

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is the most responsible action that we can take for our ratepayers.

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Regional market prices are rising.

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The future price of gas, which you know, we will be using to fuel our

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new generators, it's unknown.

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Historically, the

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highest electricity prices are during the hottest muggy summer months

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and these events are not expected to disappear.

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So we're experiencing the Climate Action Team's sense of urgency

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about, two things timely city

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action and timely global action.

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Regarding the City,

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there is this ever shrinking window July 4th,

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2026, for the developer of this project

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to meet the safe harbor requirements

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in the administration's current omnibus tax bill, and that preserves

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an eligibility for tax credits and additional time for construction.

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And these credits are significant, and it can come to the utility

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as a direct payment that's equal to 30% of the project cost

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or as credits to private investors.

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If the City chooses to take the energy through a power purchase agreement.

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But that window is coming very close

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to the time where it's going to be hard for the developer to safe harbor.

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What's needed to capture this.

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The second thing that we're concerned about is timely is the planet.

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So we failed to meet as the City.

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Our rather ambitious 2025 City goals for solar and wind,

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and the urgency of moving

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towards systems that reduce our greenhouse gas

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footprint cannot be overstated.

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Ecosystems, human health, economic stability

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these are all at increasing risk.

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For the first time ever,

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scientists have stated with statistical confidence

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that global warming is accelerating, not merely

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continuing at a steady rate.

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So those are the things that are concerning us and what we look forward to.

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We're looking forward to hearing more about the proposed solar project,

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and we want to urge the Council to recognize the need

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and the value of a diverse mix of electric generating resources.

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So thank you for your time.

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Thanks, Jeri.

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Anybody else want to address Council under public forum

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items that are not on the agenda?

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You just state your name and you may start.

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I'm, Nate Kuhn.

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I'm a resident of am at Fort or.

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Excuse me, Ames at 4116 Quebec Street.

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But, tonight I'm presenting as the Vice Chair of the Ames,

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Area Economic Alliance Young Professionals organization.

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So, a couple weeks ago, our organization, submit a letter of support

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to the City Council for the LINC project in the Ames Event Center.

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I'm here tonight to further reinforce our organization's

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belief that this project represents an opportunity to transform

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not only our downtown space, but our city as a whole

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AREA YP’s mission is to be transformative leaders, enhancing the quality of life

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through a community

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focused on leadership, growth, philanthropy, and social engagement.

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We strive to promote the businesses, attractions, and events

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that make Central Iowa communities a great place to live, work, and play

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is for this reason that the LINC and the Ames Events

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Center are such a necessary development for our community.

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Their purpose directly aligns

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with our mission of promoting businesses, attractions, and events.

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The Community Vision statement says that Ames is a forward

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thinking community committed to fostering creativity and innovation.

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The LINC in the Ames Event Center gives us an opportunity to be forward thinking.

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AREA YP is uniquely positioned to understand

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the needs and priorities of young professionals in our community.

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The proposed mixed use development directly addresses several key

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livability factors, including expanded amenities, diverse

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retail options, and the potential for significant economic growth.

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These improvements support a higher quality of life for our members

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and the broader young workforce.

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Ames seeks to attract and retain.

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Ames is strategically located in central Iowa along the corridors

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of Highway 30 and Interstate 35, making it an ideal location

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for individuals, businesses, events, conferences and conventions.

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Amenities and attractions and retail options further influences

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people's decisions on where they choose to live or host an event.

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People love to attend events in vibrant areas

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where there is a variety of things to do, including shopping, dining, etc.

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our young professionals want restaurants, shopping, apartments,

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green spaces and the LINC provides those.

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They want it to be centrally located in a vibrant downtown

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area, like so many of our surrounding communities.

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All of these can have a significant, substantial,

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substantial economic impact on our community.

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Continuing with the Ames Promise,

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it reads, Ames is positioned as an intelligent, progressive community.

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It creates a city and a region

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where everyone has opportunities to discover and thrive.

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The development provides valuable resources and

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or excuse me and contributes to the continued growth of downtown

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Ames, allowing current business owners to thrive.

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New jobs in hospitality and retail create

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greater opportunities for employment, allowing residents to thrive.

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Revitalization and enhancing downtown Ames attracts talents, supports innovations,

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and provides a central gathering space for future generations to thrive.

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These combined efforts will ultimately grow the local economy and increase Ames

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as a pure for businesses, families, students, and young professionals alike.

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It signals to current and future residents that Ames

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is investing in its next generation.

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It fills a gap in our community offerings by addressing

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some of our biggest opportunities for improvements and help.

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shames into or excuse me,

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helps shape Ames into a vibrant community that we're proud to call home.

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For these reasons and many others, AREA YP

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is proud to support economic development in the city of Ames,

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including the LINC Project and the Ames Event Center.

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Thank you. Thank you.

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Anybody else?

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All right.

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We'll close public forum and move on to item number 37.

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Staff report on tree removal at 624 Duff

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Avenue.

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Anita? Anita?

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Did you want to.. Go ahead,

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Anita. Sorry.

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Yes. I, I have had the opportunity to speak with the family,

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and they've asked if we might pause this one for a future

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agenda.

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So I am making that motion.

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Motion to table it to a future agenda.

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Yes. Okay.

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Is there a second? Second?

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Okay. There's a hand motion.

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Please say aye. Aye.

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any opposed.

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Motion carried.

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Thank you, Anita.

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One thing on this mayor that I would be interested in.

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And, I, I'm looking for options to give us flexibility

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in how we, negotiate this with the property owners.

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And I would be interested if, maybe the City Attorney

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could give us options for either a special assessment

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or a mortgage to help secure an obligation going forward.

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I just I would like to go into that meeting with those options available.

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I'm not sure I have

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a particular recommendation, but just to have that as an option. Do you want to make a motion?

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I would move that.

501
00:26:06,940 --> 00:26:10,193
We ask the legal department to review

502
00:26:10,193 --> 00:26:12,593
the options for securing,

503
00:26:13,321 --> 00:26:14,906
this financial obligation.

504
00:26:14,906 --> 00:26:17,330
If we are able to reach an agreement.

505
00:26:17,330 --> 00:26:18,785
Is there a second?

506
00:26:18,785 --> 00:26:20,785
Second. Any discussion?

507
00:26:22,706 --> 00:26:24,708
Those in favor of the motion say aye. Aye.

508
00:26:24,708 --> 00:26:26,708
Any opposed?

509
00:26:28,128 --> 00:26:29,963
Thank you. Motion carried.

510
00:26:29,963 --> 00:26:31,798
All right.

511
00:26:31,798 --> 00:26:32,966
Move on to item number 38.

512
00:26:32,966 --> 00:26:35,366
Resolution declaring Jordison Construction.

513
00:26:36,344 --> 00:26:37,470
to be a noncompliant,

514
00:26:37,470 --> 00:26:41,224
orr non responsible contractor for the purpose of bidding on City

515
00:26:41,224 --> 00:26:44,224
projects tabled from March 10th.

516
00:26:53,486 --> 00:26:56,114
So you have a memo from me.

517
00:26:56,114 --> 00:27:00,744
Jordison the contractor has, their attorney has sent a letter,

518
00:27:00,744 --> 00:27:03,455
in which he raised, well,

519
00:27:03,455 --> 00:27:07,420
He and I had a discussion a while back, and he raised this issue of the

520
00:27:07,420 --> 00:27:12,756
of an Iowa Code section that that he believes would keep us from, you know,

521
00:27:12,756 --> 00:27:13,798
prohibiting someone from

522
00:27:13,798 --> 00:27:17,594
bidding on City projects for a period of time.

523
00:27:17,594 --> 00:27:19,638
On its face, it seems to do that.

524
00:27:19,638 --> 00:27:22,974
I think it would take a lot more legal research to really decide

525
00:27:22,974 --> 00:27:24,976
if that's what that means or not.

526
00:27:24,976 --> 00:27:28,630
But, but he has at least a valid argument.

527
00:27:28,630 --> 00:27:31,650
So, you know, my recommendation was to take that off the table.

528
00:27:31,650 --> 00:27:37,720
The council action form has been has been amended to take that part out of it.

529
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,672
But but also, the Jordison’s

530
00:27:40,742 --> 00:27:44,746
attorney sent a letter to us that,

531
00:27:44,746 --> 00:27:48,830
says that, Jordison is asking to

532
00:27:48,830 --> 00:27:51,961
withdraw its bid on the Resource Recovery project,

533
00:27:51,961 --> 00:27:55,548
and that seems to deal with the current issue at hand.

534
00:27:55,548 --> 00:28:01,554
So, my recommendation is that the Council adopt a motion that would,

535
00:28:01,554 --> 00:28:03,954
approve, Jordison withdrawing its,

536
00:28:05,580 --> 00:28:08,603
bid on the Resource Recovery project and,

537
00:28:08,603 --> 00:28:11,398
and then, not proceed with the non,

538
00:28:11,398 --> 00:28:16,736
the determination as to whether they're a non responsible bidder.

539
00:28:16,736 --> 00:28:18,405
Questions?

540
00:28:18,405 --> 00:28:20,405
So, if, if

541
00:28:20,407 --> 00:28:24,327
we were to do this, is there any expectation in terms

542
00:28:24,327 --> 00:28:27,927
of limiting, Jordison opportunities to bid

543
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,440
a project next week?

544
00:28:31,918 --> 00:28:35,630
Their attorney believes that that has to be done on a case by case basis.

545
00:28:35,630 --> 00:28:38,550
Like each time they bid on something, we'd have to determine them.

546
00:28:38,550 --> 00:28:40,550
Not responsible bidder.

547
00:28:40,593 --> 00:28:44,639
You know, and and, again, I'm going to have to do a deep

548
00:28:44,639 --> 00:28:47,726
dive research into this to, to come up with my opinion.

549
00:28:47,726 --> 00:28:50,687
I don't want to give you an off the fly opinion.

550
00:28:50,687 --> 00:28:55,525
It and, you know, my conversation with him just happened, you know, late last week.

551
00:28:55,525 --> 00:29:01,197
So, there was really no time to, to delve into that, but,

552
00:29:01,197 --> 00:29:03,199
you know, my guess is

553
00:29:03,199 --> 00:29:06,953
that Jordison is not going to bid on any City of Ames projects for a while.

554
00:29:06,953 --> 00:29:09,353
So, but, you know,

555
00:29:09,497 --> 00:29:13,376
probably eventually they will and then we can look at this again then.

556
00:29:13,376 --> 00:29:17,460
So, and I'm, I'm not going to fight on this tonight.

557
00:29:17,460 --> 00:29:20,884
I if this is an easy way for us to resolve this,

558
00:29:20,884 --> 00:29:23,720
but I just want to make sure that,

559
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:28,558
six months from now, a year from now, if they bid on another project,

560
00:29:28,558 --> 00:29:31,770
the Council is not prohibited from going forward

561
00:29:31,770 --> 00:29:36,399
and addressing this right at that time. Absolutely.

562
00:29:36,399 --> 00:29:37,275
Okay, that's all I need.

563
00:29:37,275 --> 00:29:39,275
Any other questions,

564
00:29:40,737 --> 00:29:41,154
Mark.

565
00:29:41,154 --> 00:29:46,743
As in the bidding process, there's typically a bid bond that is submitted.

566
00:29:46,743 --> 00:29:51,498
And so if someone were to withdraw bid they would that the,

567
00:29:51,498 --> 00:29:56,200
the owner could cash that or redeem that difference.

568
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,463
Would it be appropriate at this point just to include

569
00:29:58,463 --> 00:30:02,467
in a motion to also authorize returning. Yes.

570
00:30:02,467 --> 00:30:03,802
Bid security

571
00:30:03,802 --> 00:30:07,472
back to them as a courtesy in light of all this that’s gone on. Good point, Mayor.

572
00:30:07,472 --> 00:30:09,472
Yes.

573
00:30:09,557 --> 00:30:11,518
Okay.

574
00:30:11,518 --> 00:30:12,685
If there's no further questions.

575
00:30:12,685 --> 00:30:16,856
I'd entertain a motion to, one of the alternatives.

576
00:30:16,856 --> 00:30:19,317
And if you're interested in

577
00:30:19,317 --> 00:30:23,517
alternative one, maybe adding and also, returning,

578
00:30:23,905 --> 00:30:26,950
the bid security or bid bond to a Jordison construction.

579
00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:30,745
Also, I would move alternative one that we accept

580
00:30:30,745 --> 00:30:33,623
Jordison Construction's bid withdrawal for the Resource Recovery

581
00:30:33,623 --> 00:30:36,230
and Recycling Campus project.

582
00:30:36,292 --> 00:30:37,836
And address their status as a

583
00:30:37,836 --> 00:30:42,900
responsible bidder on a case by case basis for future bids.

584
00:30:42,900 --> 00:30:46,511
And also return to them their, Security, their bid security.

585
00:30:46,511 --> 00:30:47,950
Good. Yeah.

586
00:30:47,950 --> 00:30:48,540
Thank you sir.

587
00:30:48,540 --> 00:30:51,140
Is there a second? Second. Moved and seconded.

588
00:30:51,140 --> 00:30:53,140
those,

589
00:30:57,397 --> 00:30:58,648
Roll call on this one.

590
00:30:58,648 --> 00:31:01,484
for a motion or just a voice vote?

591
00:31:01,484 --> 00:31:03,528
I, I think we ought to do a roll call. Okay?

592
00:31:03,528 --> 00:31:05,528
Okay. Yeah.

593
00:31:05,697 --> 00:31:07,365
Corrieri? Aye.

594
00:31:07,365 --> 00:31:09,365
Rollins? Aye.

595
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:11,452
Beatty-Hansen? Aye.

596
00:31:11,452 --> 00:31:12,245
Gartin? Aye.

597
00:31:12,245 --> 00:31:13,538
Betcher? Aye.

598
00:31:13,538 --> 00:31:15,538
Junck? Aye.

599
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,334
Thank you.

600
00:31:18,334 --> 00:31:18,543
All right

601
00:31:18,543 --> 00:31:20,211
Council, I know there's a number of people here

602
00:31:20,211 --> 00:31:24,411
that are here regarding the Ironwood Estates.

603
00:31:24,424 --> 00:31:25,800
I would like to-

604
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,304
I'm going to go ahead and move item number 42, which is staff report

605
00:31:29,304 --> 00:31:34,517
on Ironwood Estates’ request for woodlot restoration of Iowa DOT property up

606
00:31:34,517 --> 00:31:38,146
on the agenda. And then we'll let others,

607
00:31:38,146 --> 00:31:41,107
just slide down just out of respect for those that are in the audience,

608
00:31:41,107 --> 00:31:44,152
because some of these items may take a little longer to, discuss.

609
00:31:44,152 --> 00:31:48,352
So we'll move on to item 42.

610
00:31:55,246 --> 00:31:58,846
Good evening, Mayor and City Council.

611
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,284
With that, I think this is item 40.

612
00:32:04,881 --> 00:32:09,302
Just, I just want to make sure that we're working on 40 and not 42, so.

613
00:32:09,302 --> 00:32:14,891
Okay, so which is, full disclosure, I have an older agenda for this.

614
00:32:14,891 --> 00:32:15,808
We are we're talking

615
00:32:15,808 --> 00:32:19,854
about the staff report on Ironwood Estates, whatever the number is.

616
00:32:19,854 --> 00:32:20,855
No, that's that's good.

617
00:32:20,855 --> 00:32:22,398
I just wanted to thank you.

618
00:32:22,398 --> 00:32:26,690
I, I, I, I should so double check that.

619
00:32:26,690 --> 00:32:29,300
Yeah. So with the, with the staff part,

620
00:32:29,300 --> 00:32:31,783
you know, a lot of information, you know, with it

621
00:32:31,783 --> 00:32:35,912
and what I'm going to do first and, and we have,

622
00:32:35,912 --> 00:32:39,999
you know, kind of giving a little history, but what I'm going to do first is have,

623
00:32:39,999 --> 00:32:42,627
Don just kind of go through how did we get

624
00:32:42,627 --> 00:32:45,672
to where we are with the transmission line?

625
00:32:45,672 --> 00:32:48,700
With the removal of trees and things of that sort.

626
00:32:48,700 --> 00:32:51,928
And then I'll come back and talk about the options.

627
00:32:51,928 --> 00:32:52,261
All right.

628
00:32:52,261 --> 00:32:53,137
Good evening.

629
00:32:53,137 --> 00:32:56,182
So what we're talking about here is, is,

630
00:32:56,182 --> 00:32:59,227
Ames Electric Department has a multi-year plan on

631
00:32:59,227 --> 00:33:03,231
rebuilding a lot of our 69,000 volt transmission system.

632
00:33:03,231 --> 00:33:07,235
The first project that we started working on was the vet met to Mortenson Line.

633
00:33:07,235 --> 00:33:11,114
So there's a Mortenson substation, and the line goes basically

634
00:33:11,114 --> 00:33:14,114
it kind of hugs highway 30,

635
00:33:14,575 --> 00:33:17,704
along and on DOT right of way.

636
00:33:17,704 --> 00:33:21,541
And a section of this line happens to go by the Ironwood

637
00:33:21,541 --> 00:33:27,460
homeowners group that's up there, the, where we're building the line.

638
00:33:27,460 --> 00:33:28,756
So this line was put in in the 70s.

639
00:33:28,756 --> 00:33:32,930
So it's a little bit old and does need to be replaced.

640
00:33:32,930 --> 00:33:34,929
Our typical process then is, is,

641
00:33:34,929 --> 00:33:40,143
Keith called them trees, I’d more call them scrub and brush and Keith may even

642
00:33:40,143 --> 00:33:43,104
you have a picture of that what it looked like.

643
00:33:43,104 --> 00:33:45,523
If not, we'll keep going.

644
00:33:45,523 --> 00:33:48,151
And so typically our process is is it's

645
00:33:48,151 --> 00:33:52,822
and again it's not trees but it's, it's more scrub and brush.

646
00:33:52,822 --> 00:33:53,281
And so

647
00:33:53,281 --> 00:33:56,242
what we do is, is we go in there, clear the right of way

648
00:33:56,242 --> 00:33:59,954
so that we can get our trucks in there to basically rebuild the line.

649
00:33:59,954 --> 00:34:02,957
So this is actually a picture after that

650
00:34:02,957 --> 00:34:06,557
right away has been cleared. Now

651
00:34:06,919 --> 00:34:09,881
the trees that you're looking at in the first picture

652
00:34:09,881 --> 00:34:15,178
was basically from that's the right of way going east.

653
00:34:15,178 --> 00:34:19,570
And then with trees looking down onto highway 30.

654
00:34:19,570 --> 00:34:20,516
There's actually a fence there.

655
00:34:20,516 --> 00:34:22,977
This the contractor is not completely done.

656
00:34:22,977 --> 00:34:25,605
They need to go in and do some final cleanup there.

657
00:34:25,605 --> 00:34:28,316
But the intentions are that the goal is is we

658
00:34:28,316 --> 00:34:31,652
we clear the brush out of there so that they can rebuild the line.

659
00:34:31,652 --> 00:34:34,322
The contractor finished this project

660
00:34:34,322 --> 00:34:37,158
from the construction standpoint in early January.

661
00:34:37,158 --> 00:34:39,827
They're going to still come back and clean it. Typically

662
00:34:39,827 --> 00:34:42,827
then our process would be,

663
00:34:43,247 --> 00:34:44,400
because we're

664
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,753
we're actually cleaning out brush and things that shouldn't be there.

665
00:34:48,753 --> 00:34:54,175
We would typically, seed this with grass seed and let it come back,

666
00:34:54,175 --> 00:34:57,136
but not with all that, that scrub and stuff

667
00:34:57,136 --> 00:34:59,136
like that there.

668
00:35:00,223 --> 00:35:03,768
When we finished that, we did get a call from the homeowners association

669
00:35:03,768 --> 00:35:10,108
asking if we could meet and talk about what is the the post effect of this.

670
00:35:10,108 --> 00:35:12,944
You know, are we planting trees and that type of stuff?

671
00:35:12,944 --> 00:35:17,740
When we've had I've had one, discussion with the homeowners association

672
00:35:17,740 --> 00:35:20,760
where they said, maybe there's an opportunity

673
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,704
and I know several letters then have been sent to council.

674
00:35:23,704 --> 00:35:27,416
Council at the last meeting, referred it back to staff.

675
00:35:27,416 --> 00:35:31,963
Electric not being very good at planting things and keeping things alive,

676
00:35:31,963 --> 00:35:32,964
engaged,

677
00:35:32,964 --> 00:35:36,801
Keith in Parks and Rec to assist us with this.

678
00:35:36,801 --> 00:35:41,222
So that information then was, sent to us. Collectively,

679
00:35:41,222 --> 00:35:45,393
then we created a council action form, a response to the letters.

680
00:35:45,393 --> 00:35:47,353
And that's what, is before you tonight.

681
00:35:47,353 --> 00:35:49,630
So that's kind of a background.

682
00:35:49,630 --> 00:35:50,606
Did I miss anything?

683
00:35:50,606 --> 00:35:52,240
No. You did. You did good.

684
00:35:52,240 --> 00:35:55,862
And and they do have, you know, just so people, you know,

685
00:35:55,862 --> 00:35:59,657
the, the map up there kind of shows, you know, the area.

686
00:35:59,657 --> 00:36:03,953
So again, this is where the the line that Don was talking

687
00:36:03,953 --> 00:36:07,390
about is in the Iowa DOT, right of way.

688
00:36:07,390 --> 00:36:11,430
There is you can faintly see where the homeowners

689
00:36:11,430 --> 00:36:14,643
association, where their property line is.

690
00:36:14,672 --> 00:36:18,384
There is an easement that electric has on,

691
00:36:18,384 --> 00:36:24,384
the homeowners association ten foot wide, to access this. So,

692
00:36:24,891 --> 00:36:26,726
so, as Don said, and we

693
00:36:26,726 --> 00:36:30,521
do have a few other pictures, you know, of, of some of the debris.

694
00:36:30,521 --> 00:36:34,734
And, and we acknowledge, you know, it needs to be cleaned up.

695
00:36:34,734 --> 00:36:36,903
There's no doubt about that.

696
00:36:36,903 --> 00:36:42,241
So the question is, is what what should the responsibility.

697
00:36:42,241 --> 00:36:47,163
Because there is no city property in the, in this area,

698
00:36:47,163 --> 00:36:51,334
where these lines are, it's either, well it's all DOT land

699
00:36:51,334 --> 00:36:54,462
is, is where the electric transmission lines are.

700
00:36:54,462 --> 00:36:59,759
So, so with this and what Don mentioned is, you know, generally they would go back

701
00:36:59,759 --> 00:37:04,347
and they would just plant seed, grass seed, in there.

702
00:37:04,347 --> 00:37:07,433
We do have we did cite a couple of situations

703
00:37:07,433 --> 00:37:11,633
in the staff report in regards to,

704
00:37:11,854 --> 00:37:14,854
up at the Stange substation.

705
00:37:15,660 --> 00:37:18,402
There were trees removed and, and there was a homeowner

706
00:37:18,402 --> 00:37:21,989
that had, some concerns about looking at the substation.

707
00:37:21,989 --> 00:37:25,826
So electric did plant some trees, but it was on city property.

708
00:37:25,826 --> 00:37:28,370
It wasn't on, on private property.

709
00:37:28,370 --> 00:37:33,709
And generally we do not go on to the private property and do improvements.

710
00:37:33,709 --> 00:37:39,900
I can't think of anything that we have done with, with Parks and Recreation.

711
00:37:39,900 --> 00:37:40,424
Except for, for maybe if

712
00:37:40,424 --> 00:37:44,262
we have an easement, for, for, an area.

713
00:37:44,262 --> 00:37:46,597
So the other one that we want to talk about

714
00:37:46,597 --> 00:37:50,643
is not electric lines, but it is in Munn Woods where we did

715
00:37:50,643 --> 00:37:54,855
the sanitary sewer project for public works at the sanitary sewer project,

716
00:37:54,855 --> 00:37:56,190
a few years ago.

717
00:37:56,190 --> 00:38:00,690
There we did go in, and we did have to clean out a number of trees to,

718
00:38:00,690 --> 00:38:04,532
to create access so we could get to the, to the sanitary sewer.

719
00:38:04,532 --> 00:38:08,661
When that project was done again, we did not go back in

720
00:38:08,661 --> 00:38:12,861
and plant trees in those, those areas.

721
00:38:12,873 --> 00:38:14,000
We kept it open.

722
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,418
We put down some crushed rock.

723
00:38:15,418 --> 00:38:20,423
We put down some, some, wood chips, things of that sort.

724
00:38:20,423 --> 00:38:24,802
And, we occasionally what we'll do is, when needed, will go in with our forestry

725
00:38:24,802 --> 00:38:28,970
mower and we'll go across those, trails to keep them open.

726
00:38:28,970 --> 00:38:32,101
So if we do need to go back in, we have access.

727
00:38:32,101 --> 00:38:35,396
Another area is in East River Valley.

728
00:38:35,396 --> 00:38:39,150
We have a transmission line going through through there

729
00:38:39,150 --> 00:38:44,822
and those transmission lines, and we keep that again clear of of trees.

730
00:38:44,822 --> 00:38:48,367
We just did for the, for the raw water line

731
00:38:48,367 --> 00:38:53,167
with, the new, well, stations, you know, up,

732
00:38:54,165 --> 00:38:54,874
you know, north of

733
00:38:54,874 --> 00:38:58,836
East River Valley, there too, we had to clear out trees.

734
00:38:58,836 --> 00:39:01,339
We put in a new, raw water line.

735
00:39:01,339 --> 00:39:06,844
And with that one, we did not plant trees back over in that area again for access.

736
00:39:06,844 --> 00:39:10,765
So, so just to to give you some, some history of,

737
00:39:10,765 --> 00:39:15,561
of how we do things when we're working with, with utilities.

738
00:39:15,561 --> 00:39:19,523
So, so there are, you know, some, some other pictures here that,

739
00:39:19,523 --> 00:39:23,527
that we have and you can kind of see, you know, with, with it.

740
00:39:23,527 --> 00:39:28,320
So what we looked at is you know with the, the grant,

741
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,910
the DOT DNR fund grant,

742
00:39:30,910 --> 00:39:33,704
could be up to $100,000 if we do that.

743
00:39:33,704 --> 00:39:36,540
It's on, for DOT property.

744
00:39:36,540 --> 00:39:39,418
If we do something and there's no guarantee that we,

745
00:39:39,418 --> 00:39:43,672
we get that money, we'd have to, to apply.

746
00:39:43,672 --> 00:39:43,881
And then

747
00:39:43,881 --> 00:39:47,676
there's another permit application that we would have to to submit as well.

748
00:39:47,676 --> 00:39:52,765
And only municipalities can, can apply for this, for this grant money.

749
00:39:52,765 --> 00:39:54,225
So we would have to, to do it.

750
00:39:54,225 --> 00:39:56,560
We couldn't say to the homeowners association,

751
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:00,220
you just go ahead and and, and do that.

752
00:40:00,220 --> 00:40:03,442
So, so with it, funding would cover the cost of the plants,

753
00:40:03,442 --> 00:40:05,361
the installation and so on.

754
00:40:05,361 --> 00:40:08,364
And if we did go for this grant money,

755
00:40:08,364 --> 00:40:12,743
we would the city would have to, to do the application for the grant.

756
00:40:12,743 --> 00:40:18,416
But what we would do is, we would contract the, the work out,

757
00:40:18,416 --> 00:40:22,461
if we did something, we have a city forester, Gabby.

758
00:40:22,461 --> 00:40:24,380
We would have her put, together,

759
00:40:24,380 --> 00:40:28,509
the the plan, it would be submitted with the application.

760
00:40:28,509 --> 00:40:31,887
But then when we, if we get the grant funds, then

761
00:40:31,887 --> 00:40:35,891
what we would do is we would take that plan, put it out for bid,

762
00:40:35,891 --> 00:40:39,610
and and have a contractor come in and, and do that work.

763
00:40:39,610 --> 00:40:43,732
So, so that is and as you see the options, options three and four

764
00:40:43,732 --> 00:40:47,270
kinda tie in to those grant funds.

765
00:40:47,270 --> 00:40:51,115
So the thing with the grant though is once you do it,

766
00:40:51,115 --> 00:40:54,660
we're talking probably 90 days before we would get an answer,

767
00:40:54,660 --> 00:40:55,494
take us some time

768
00:40:55,494 --> 00:40:59,290
to put the application together, probably the earliest that we would be able to,

769
00:40:59,290 --> 00:41:03,850
to do any planting if we received funds would be Fall,

770
00:41:03,850 --> 00:41:08,549
which would probably be a good time to, to do the planting. So,

771
00:41:08,549 --> 00:41:10,176
so with it, we also would

772
00:41:10,176 --> 00:41:13,176
need to maintain that area,

773
00:41:13,929 --> 00:41:16,223
you know, from this point, moving forward.

774
00:41:16,223 --> 00:41:18,642
That's that's part of the, the grant,

775
00:41:18,642 --> 00:41:21,645
the grant application and the funds.

776
00:41:21,645 --> 00:41:24,356
So we did go through and had some,

777
00:41:24,356 --> 00:41:28,527
some conversation in regards to the pros and cons.

778
00:41:28,527 --> 00:41:32,310
You know, one thing with, with any of these,

779
00:41:32,310 --> 00:41:34,200
options, you know, 3 or 4,

780
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,870
you know, there's obviously some staff time associated with,

781
00:41:37,870 --> 00:41:42,625
the application, management, reporting, you know, all those types of things.

782
00:41:42,625 --> 00:41:46,587
So really what we did is we we came up with, with four options.

783
00:41:46,587 --> 00:41:51,910
One, option one would be you know, take no further action.

784
00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:56,555
And in with it, we should say, is that no matter what council decides,

785
00:41:56,555 --> 00:41:59,934
we will go in and we'll get things cleaned up.

786
00:41:59,934 --> 00:42:03,687
We'll we'll get all that, that stuff cleaned up and, and taken care of.

787
00:42:03,687 --> 00:42:06,857
So this one would be take no further action.

788
00:42:06,857 --> 00:42:11,737
The, the the phrase that Don used is, you know, scrub,

789
00:42:11,737 --> 00:42:16,116
scrub stuff, trees and bushes and things of that nature.

790
00:42:16,116 --> 00:42:20,120
A lot of times that that happens in this, in the indicative in this area,

791
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,831
it was probably all volunteer germination.

792
00:42:22,831 --> 00:42:26,502
It wasn't something that somebody went in and planted that stuff.

793
00:42:26,502 --> 00:42:29,880
All right. It did provide, you know, the screening.

794
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,841
So after a couple of years, if we just, go in there, do nothing,

795
00:42:32,841 --> 00:42:34,593
we clean everything up.

796
00:42:34,593 --> 00:42:36,428
Just let it go.

797
00:42:36,428 --> 00:42:39,557
City Forester, said in a couple of years.

798
00:42:39,557 --> 00:42:43,769
So you have the the stuff in the seed bank, you have, you know, other trees

799
00:42:43,769 --> 00:42:46,630
and and, material around there,

800
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:50,670
stuff will start coming back up and we'll wind up with about the same thing.

801
00:42:50,670 --> 00:42:54,655
Now, we do feel that we should to keep it open.

802
00:42:54,655 --> 00:42:55,322
You know, we may

803
00:42:55,322 --> 00:42:59,243
have to, to go in there, every couple of years,

804
00:42:59,243 --> 00:43:04,790
just to keep the lines open and maybe with a forestry mower, or brush mower

805
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:10,296
or something to keep the, the woodies, the, the young trees out of, out of that area.

806
00:43:10,296 --> 00:43:11,463
The space that's here

807
00:43:11,463 --> 00:43:14,758
probably take no more than a half a day to go in there with that forestry

808
00:43:14,758 --> 00:43:18,929
mower once every two years to, to to take care of that.

809
00:43:18,929 --> 00:43:21,929
So another option would be,

810
00:43:22,570 --> 00:43:24,602
you know, does the, the homeowners association,

811
00:43:24,602 --> 00:43:28,355
you know, plant vegetation on its own property.

812
00:43:28,355 --> 00:43:32,401
Now, when you look at it there, there are some areas they may be able to

813
00:43:32,401 --> 00:43:37,197
to put some, some planting, further to the, to the west,

814
00:43:37,197 --> 00:43:38,490
further to the east.

815
00:43:38,490 --> 00:43:42,953
And the property line is pretty close to, a retaining wall along the drive.

816
00:43:42,953 --> 00:43:46,165
Probably not going to be able to, to, to do a lot there.

817
00:43:46,165 --> 00:43:50,336
And some of that was expressed in the, in the letters.

818
00:43:50,336 --> 00:43:54,965
Option three and four is really again working with the grant, either doing

819
00:43:54,965 --> 00:44:00,346
native shrubs or, you know, doing some, some, junipers.

820
00:44:00,346 --> 00:44:02,746
And with the junipers,

821
00:44:03,265 --> 00:44:07,610
the reason the, the city forester selected those,

822
00:44:07,610 --> 00:44:10,230
they are bred to, to be a certain height.

823
00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:15,110
So about, you know, that, 10 to 15, you know, feet high.

824
00:44:15,110 --> 00:44:16,612
They are columnar.

825
00:44:16,612 --> 00:44:19,531
So, so if we spaced them correctly

826
00:44:19,531 --> 00:44:23,535
when they grow, you know, we'll provide that screening.

827
00:44:23,535 --> 00:44:24,662
I know one of the

828
00:44:24,662 --> 00:44:28,374
options that, Luke Rand mentioned is, going with,

829
00:44:28,374 --> 00:44:33,796
you know, a lot of, you know, like, white pine, jack pine, eastern red cedar.

830
00:44:33,796 --> 00:44:37,132
The reason the city forester did not select those one,

831
00:44:37,132 --> 00:44:40,135
they can grow as high as they're as tall as 70ft

832
00:44:40,135 --> 00:44:43,764
and could wind up, you know, causing some, some problems.

833
00:44:43,764 --> 00:44:48,394
The other thing is, is as as they grow, they don't provide as much screening,

834
00:44:48,394 --> 00:44:48,977
as well.

835
00:44:48,977 --> 00:44:52,439
That's why, she selected, the junipers.

836
00:44:52,439 --> 00:44:53,732
So, so with it,

837
00:44:53,732 --> 00:44:57,820
so that's, that's really option, you know, three and four if,

838
00:44:57,820 --> 00:45:00,300
if council thinks that,

839
00:45:00,300 --> 00:45:03,659
there is no responsibility of the, of the city in this case,

840
00:45:03,659 --> 00:45:08,163
except for, you know, keeping it open for the electric lines.

841
00:45:08,163 --> 00:45:12,000
Then option 1 or 2 would be, you know what, what you would select.

842
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:16,460
If you think there is some, some responsibility, then option 3

843
00:45:16,460 --> 00:45:19,717
or 4 and, and staff would suggest that

844
00:45:19,717 --> 00:45:22,594
we, do some, some grant,

845
00:45:22,594 --> 00:45:26,980
you know, do the application for the grant fund.

846
00:45:26,980 --> 00:45:26,640
So we don't

847
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,727
have to use city funds for, for, for this project.

848
00:45:29,727 --> 00:45:33,188
But again, that comes with some things that, that we, we mentioned.

849
00:45:33,188 --> 00:45:37,901
Now with all of these things, whether we do shrubs or whether we do,

850
00:45:37,901 --> 00:45:40,301
the column there, junipers,

851
00:45:40,404 --> 00:45:43,782
we would really want to do that as far south as we could.

852
00:45:43,782 --> 00:45:47,786
So any of that stuff would not interfere with any maintenance

853
00:45:47,786 --> 00:45:51,415
that would need to happen in the future to the the electric lines.

854
00:45:51,415 --> 00:45:56,670
So any questions that that anybody has? Thank you, questions?

855
00:45:56,670 --> 00:46:01,490
So logistically, I, I've been trying to look at this

856
00:46:01,490 --> 00:46:05,763
on the map and, and looking at these photos,

857
00:46:05,763 --> 00:46:08,474
it appears that we would either

858
00:46:08,474 --> 00:46:11,474
have to have the trees

859
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:16,860
in that small strip of land on the,

860
00:46:16,940 --> 00:46:18,901
the HOA property,

861
00:46:18,901 --> 00:46:24,301
or it has to be a line considerably south

862
00:46:24,656 --> 00:46:27,284
so that there is the ability

863
00:46:27,284 --> 00:46:30,871
to get in to the power lines if necessary.

864
00:46:30,871 --> 00:46:31,914
Correct.

865
00:46:31,914 --> 00:46:33,499
That's the way we're looking at this.

866
00:46:33,499 --> 00:46:35,499
Yeah. So

867
00:46:36,100 --> 00:46:39,171
with the height of the plantings,

868
00:46:39,171 --> 00:46:44,927
if we are looking at either of those options, is there a difference

869
00:46:44,927 --> 00:46:49,560
in the height that plantings could be and still

870
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,656
stay out of the power lines?

871
00:46:53,352 --> 00:46:55,771
When you say, say or yeah.

872
00:46:55,771 --> 00:47:00,734
So other something other than shrubs or, or the junipers?

873
00:47:00,734 --> 00:47:02,736
Well I'm just in the pictures,

874
00:47:02,736 --> 00:47:06,907
it's not clear to me it looks to me like the power lines

875
00:47:06,907 --> 00:47:11,161
could be more involved, closer to the property than further south.

876
00:47:11,161 --> 00:47:13,372
That I think that's I think that's factual.

877
00:47:13,372 --> 00:47:14,810
Yeah. Okay.

878
00:47:14,810 --> 00:47:20,300
So it's seemed like we would be looking at the lower option

879
00:47:20,300 --> 00:47:24,842
if we were trying to figure out a way to be planting on the HOA property

880
00:47:24,842 --> 00:47:27,594
than if we were planting further south.

881
00:47:27,594 --> 00:47:28,637
Is that?

882
00:47:28,637 --> 00:47:28,887
Yeah.

883
00:47:28,887 --> 00:47:32,307
I think one of one of the things the further south you go

884
00:47:32,307 --> 00:47:34,643
is it's very sloped.

885
00:47:34,643 --> 00:47:36,144
If you if you have been down there.

886
00:47:36,144 --> 00:47:41,240
So, so you've got the area in and along where the houses are,

887
00:47:41,240 --> 00:47:44,403
it's a little flatter where the, the electric line is.

888
00:47:44,403 --> 00:47:47,698
Once you get further south you have a little bit and then it starts

889
00:47:47,698 --> 00:47:48,240
sloping.

890
00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:52,619
So so that creates some, some, some challenges as well.

891
00:47:52,619 --> 00:47:56,123
There is also some vegetation that's still there.

892
00:47:56,123 --> 00:47:59,126
You know that that wasn't taken out due to the

893
00:47:59,126 --> 00:48:02,296
to the electric line or the replacement of those poles.

894
00:48:02,296 --> 00:48:08,427
So there are still some, some trees and, and some other vegetation. So,

895
00:48:08,427 --> 00:48:10,262
you know, the goal would not be to, to go in

896
00:48:10,262 --> 00:48:14,308
and take those out and then plant something in place of them.

897
00:48:14,308 --> 00:48:18,770
So, so it would be tried to, to do something again

898
00:48:18,770 --> 00:48:22,190
as far south as we could if we could keep it up on the flats off

899
00:48:22,190 --> 00:48:26,486
and, and keep it lower so it doesn't interfere with the,

900
00:48:26,486 --> 00:48:27,571
with the electric lines.

901
00:48:27,571 --> 00:48:29,364
That would that would be our thought

902
00:48:29,364 --> 00:48:33,410
and go with something, you know, that that 10 to 15ft high.

903
00:48:33,410 --> 00:48:38,665
And does that still allow access to the poles and the lines,

904
00:48:38,665 --> 00:48:39,499
if necessary?

905
00:48:39,499 --> 00:48:42,836
Or are we putting ourselves in a position where we put in the trees

906
00:48:42,836 --> 00:48:44,212
and then we have to take them out again?

907
00:48:44,212 --> 00:48:47,257
If there's a problem with those poles and those lines?

908
00:48:47,257 --> 00:48:47,549
Yeah.

909
00:48:47,549 --> 00:48:51,428
The key is not to put them directly on underneath the line,

910
00:48:51,428 --> 00:48:55,557
but to either stay on one side or the other of that right of way.

911
00:48:55,557 --> 00:48:58,600
And there is a little bit of flat surface, both near

912
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,229
the homes and beyond the pole

913
00:49:01,229 --> 00:49:05,817
and in each of the locations to the, to the south. Yep.

914
00:49:05,817 --> 00:49:07,319
Other questions?

915
00:49:07,319 --> 00:49:10,319
So who owns the land?

916
00:49:10,614 --> 00:49:12,199
The DOT.

917
00:49:12,199 --> 00:49:16,360
So and I've been working on the presumption that it says it's a

918
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,360
right of way

919
00:49:18,330 --> 00:49:23,335
and that someone else owns that ground, but maybe that's not correct.

920
00:49:23,335 --> 00:49:25,671
The actual right of way.

921
00:49:25,671 --> 00:49:28,480
It's not the city right of way.

922
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:32,678
I understand, I just I want to just understand the logistics.

923
00:49:32,678 --> 00:49:34,596
Normally we think about a right away.

924
00:49:34,596 --> 00:49:37,808
Someone has a right to use someone else's property.

925
00:49:37,808 --> 00:49:40,560
And so is this is this land owned

926
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:43,560
by the state of Iowa?

927
00:49:44,231 --> 00:49:45,315
It's my understanding. Yes, yes.

928
00:49:45,315 --> 00:49:45,565
Okay.

929
00:49:45,565 --> 00:49:49,270
It’s DOT land with which we have a an easement,

930
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:52,823
a right of way to be able to use that land for our-

931
00:49:52,823 --> 00:49:56,243
Okay, that's I just I appreciate that that clarifies that.

932
00:49:56,243 --> 00:50:01,540
And so are there any limitations on what we do based on the easement?

933
00:50:01,540 --> 00:50:05,502
I just want to make sure that within the easement itself, we've reviewed that.

934
00:50:05,502 --> 00:50:08,755
Are there any kind of limitations that we have? Maybe clarify Don, we-

935
00:50:08,755 --> 00:50:11,425
And we really don't have a it's not been an easement.

936
00:50:11,425 --> 00:50:14,302
We have we're using the right of way. We have a right of way.

937
00:50:14,302 --> 00:50:15,178
It's not an easement.

938
00:50:15,178 --> 00:50:17,514
I apologize for that. Yeah.

939
00:50:17,514 --> 00:50:22,190
So we have a there's a ten foot easement on the homeowners association property.

940
00:50:22,190 --> 00:50:22,978
Right.

941
00:50:22,978 --> 00:50:27,983
To, to access to to get to the DOT right of way.

942
00:50:27,983 --> 00:50:30,235
We don't have an easement with the right of way.

943
00:50:30,235 --> 00:50:33,321
We just have the ability to to put

944
00:50:33,321 --> 00:50:36,992
the electric lines in that DOT right of way.

945
00:50:36,992 --> 00:50:39,244
Yeah. Is there an agreement that exists?

946
00:50:39,244 --> 00:50:42,800
No. We'd have to check with the dot, obviously, to get permission

947
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:43,810
to plant trees,

948
00:50:43,810 --> 00:50:45,792
I would think if you're talking about within the right of way.

949
00:50:45,792 --> 00:50:49,379
I just want to make sure as we're discussing these things that we've

950
00:50:49,379 --> 00:50:53,633
we're we're operating within the allowable parameters of that easement.

951
00:50:53,633 --> 00:50:54,468
So I just wanna make sure

952
00:50:54,468 --> 00:50:57,846
someone has looked at that because it's not in the staff report.

953
00:50:57,846 --> 00:50:58,472
Yeah, yeah.

954
00:50:58,472 --> 00:51:01,683
And again, it's not a it's not an easement.

955
00:51:01,683 --> 00:51:07,647
It's just we have the ability to put electric lines in the DOT right of way.

956
00:51:07,647 --> 00:51:09,608
Okay.

957
00:51:09,608 --> 00:51:12,861
And I'm a little nervous that this could somehow be a precedent.

958
00:51:12,861 --> 00:51:16,990
I can't think of other situations where it would be.

959
00:51:16,990 --> 00:51:21,203
Oftentimes when we put in these kind of power lines,

960
00:51:21,203 --> 00:51:25,123
we're we're paying the property owner for the opportunity

961
00:51:25,123 --> 00:51:29,503
to put in these lines, and sometimes it's quite substantial.

962
00:51:29,503 --> 00:51:31,671
Are we did we pay anything

963
00:51:31,671 --> 00:51:34,925
for the opportunity to put these power lines in?

964
00:51:34,925 --> 00:51:39,137
It's my understanding that back in the 70s, no, we did not pay anyone to

965
00:51:39,137 --> 00:51:40,550
put the lines where they’re at.

966
00:51:40,550 --> 00:51:44,351
And so, I mean, so this this is nice in that

967
00:51:44,351 --> 00:51:46,751
the, the cost of,

968
00:51:46,770 --> 00:51:49,170
this infrastructure was nominal

969
00:51:49,231 --> 00:51:52,734
for the city at whatever point.

970
00:51:52,734 --> 00:51:55,695
And so I'm just trying to balance out ongoing costs.

971
00:51:55,695 --> 00:52:00,492
And so this grant, if I'm reading this correctly, would,

972
00:52:00,492 --> 00:52:05,372
could be used for not just the installation of the trees or,

973
00:52:05,372 --> 00:52:08,500
or the shrubs, but it would also provide for maintenance

974
00:52:08,500 --> 00:52:12,671
on an ongoing basis? Or for one year after installation.

975
00:52:12,671 --> 00:52:14,671
Okay. And

976
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,300
Keith, you're sort of our expert here.

977
00:52:17,300 --> 00:52:20,178
How long do you think that,

978
00:52:20,178 --> 00:52:22,550
maintenance of these trees watering

979
00:52:22,550 --> 00:52:25,350
and things would be needed in order for them to be established?

980
00:52:25,350 --> 00:52:30,480
Yeah, generally, if we're if we're putting trees in the city right of way,

981
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:35,569
you know, throughout the community, we try to water probably for two years.

982
00:52:35,569 --> 00:52:39,720
So, so and, but there are some, some differences.

983
00:52:39,720 --> 00:52:43,760
What, what type of year it was, was a dry was it wet?

984
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:43,952
All that kind of stuff.

985
00:52:43,952 --> 00:52:46,496
But we would really look at,

986
00:52:46,496 --> 00:52:48,496
probably 2 to 3 years

987
00:52:48,582 --> 00:52:50,982
on the outside, 3 to 5,

988
00:52:52,335 --> 00:52:55,338
to to, to get them established.

989
00:52:55,338 --> 00:52:58,884
So as I look at this, our,

990
00:52:58,884 --> 00:53:02,429
our exposure as a city is really fairly nominal.

991
00:53:02,429 --> 00:53:07,642
If we can get this grant, we can put in this vegetation, we,

992
00:53:07,642 --> 00:53:11,313
we have a nominal amount of maintenance and then we walk away.

993
00:53:11,313 --> 00:53:14,649
So we, we don't have responsibilities ten years from now

994
00:53:14,649 --> 00:53:19,700
to go in and prune the trees or do any kind of further maintenance.

995
00:53:19,700 --> 00:53:22,741
This is sort of go in, maintained for a couple of years, and then we're done?

996
00:53:22,741 --> 00:53:27,746
No, no, with with the grant, if we go in and we do these plantings,

997
00:53:27,746 --> 00:53:34,794
we are accepting maintenance for the for the life of that that area.

998
00:53:34,794 --> 00:53:35,128
Okay.

999
00:53:35,128 --> 00:53:38,128
And so help council understand

1000
00:53:38,548 --> 00:53:41,218
forever sort of a long time. Yep.

1001
00:53:41,218 --> 00:53:43,720
And so if we, if we bring this

1002
00:53:43,720 --> 00:53:46,723
into the scope of Parks and Rec

1003
00:53:46,723 --> 00:53:50,518
responsibilities, help us understand how big of a deal this is.

1004
00:53:50,518 --> 00:53:54,773
Yeah, I think, again, it depends on what we have.

1005
00:53:54,773 --> 00:53:58,526
You know, if we do the the junipers, there may not be a lot of,

1006
00:53:58,526 --> 00:54:01,738
a lot of maintenance that we have to do if we put,

1007
00:54:01,738 --> 00:54:04,658
if you're wanting to put in different trees and so on,

1008
00:54:04,658 --> 00:54:09,246
what we try to do is we try to hit every tree, once

1009
00:54:09,246 --> 00:54:13,583
every five years, within, the park system, that's for, for,

1010
00:54:13,583 --> 00:54:16,336
pruning for evaluation, you know,

1011
00:54:16,336 --> 00:54:19,673
all those types of things. So,

1012
00:54:19,673 --> 00:54:22,634
well, we have to, well, like I already mentioned,

1013
00:54:22,634 --> 00:54:26,680
you know, just for the, the area where the the power lines are,

1014
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:30,684
we probably once every two years, we'll have to go in with, with,

1015
00:54:30,684 --> 00:54:34,271
the brush mower and make sure that, any woodies that are coming up,

1016
00:54:34,271 --> 00:54:35,897
you know, get, get taken out.

1017
00:54:35,897 --> 00:54:38,775
But we would have, but that would be we'd have to do that anyway?

1018
00:54:38,775 --> 00:54:39,317
Correct.

1019
00:54:39,317 --> 00:54:43,989
So I'm just trying to narrow or focus on the council

1020
00:54:43,989 --> 00:54:47,867
just because we're going to do something that the whole city has to pay for.

1021
00:54:47,867 --> 00:54:50,287
But it's benefiting primarily just the subdivision.

1022
00:54:50,287 --> 00:54:52,706
So I'm trying to wrestle with

1023
00:54:52,706 --> 00:54:56,126
that piece of it. Yeah. So.

1024
00:54:56,126 --> 00:54:57,200
Right.

1025
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,754
So what was that, Bronwyn?

1026
00:54:59,754 --> 00:55:03,383
Well, I was saying if we want for the grants,

1027
00:55:03,383 --> 00:55:05,760
it's not like the rest of the residents have to pay for it.

1028
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,430
But they will going forward in the maintenance. Oh on the maintenance.

1029
00:55:08,430 --> 00:55:09,306
Right.

1030
00:55:09,306 --> 00:55:11,933
But we would have to go in there anyway every couple of years.

1031
00:55:11,933 --> 00:55:12,892
So yeah.

1032
00:55:12,892 --> 00:55:15,895
So there's maintenance that we'd have to do to maintain the easement area.

1033
00:55:15,895 --> 00:55:18,523
But then there's maintenance on the trees.

1034
00:55:18,523 --> 00:55:18,773
Yeah.

1035
00:55:18,773 --> 00:55:19,649
Yeah okay. That's great.

1036
00:55:19,649 --> 00:55:22,193
Just on the trees for the whole area.

1037
00:55:22,193 --> 00:55:24,112
For, for whatever we plant

1038
00:55:24,112 --> 00:55:27,699
that what we that's what we would be responsible for.

1039
00:55:27,699 --> 00:55:28,616
Okay.

1040
00:55:28,616 --> 00:55:30,616
Okay. Other questions?

1041
00:55:31,619 --> 00:55:31,828
All right.

1042
00:55:31,828 --> 00:55:33,955
We have I'm going to open public comment.

1043
00:55:33,955 --> 00:55:35,665
We have,

1044
00:55:35,665 --> 00:55:38,430
at least four individuals who have indicated an interest

1045
00:55:38,430 --> 00:55:40,430
in addressing council.

1046
00:55:40,450 --> 00:55:44,549
Call your name and we’ll ask if you can limit your comments to three minutes, if you would.

1047
00:55:44,549 --> 00:55:47,135
I'll start with Sherry Johnson.

1048
00:55:47,135 --> 00:55:48,470
You come to the

1049
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:51,470
podium and you may start.

1050
00:55:54,934 --> 00:55:55,685
Hi, I'm

1051
00:55:55,685 --> 00:55:59,397
Sharry Johnson, I live on Ironwood Lane.

1052
00:55:59,397 --> 00:56:03,985
My property is actually very visible from highway 30

1053
00:56:03,985 --> 00:56:06,946
and kind of dead spot where

1054
00:56:06,946 --> 00:56:09,946
all of this is happening.

1055
00:56:09,991 --> 00:56:11,991
I would

1056
00:56:12,535 --> 00:56:14,412
encourage you guys to come out and take a look.

1057
00:56:14,412 --> 00:56:18,612
This is a very, very unique situation.

1058
00:56:20,251 --> 00:56:22,879
It's hard to even explain, honestly.

1059
00:56:22,879 --> 00:56:24,839
But I would encourage you to come out and take a look.

1060
00:56:24,839 --> 00:56:27,801
Right now, it looks pretty devastated.

1061
00:56:27,801 --> 00:56:30,110
And I think with the plantings,

1062
00:56:30,110 --> 00:56:32,110
which wouldn't

1063
00:56:33,223 --> 00:56:36,393
be excessive, I don't think,

1064
00:56:36,393 --> 00:56:39,938
I think you would just have to take a look at it.

1065
00:56:39,938 --> 00:56:44,138
What has happened with the pole replacement,

1066
00:56:44,609 --> 00:56:47,362
I just don't think it's something that

1067
00:56:47,362 --> 00:56:51,783
the City of Ames really wants to have be reflected.

1068
00:56:51,783 --> 00:56:53,368
You can see it from highway 30.

1069
00:56:53,368 --> 00:56:57,568
You can see it from, the Gateway

1070
00:56:58,581 --> 00:56:59,666
Hotel area.

1071
00:56:59,666 --> 00:57:04,796
You can see it from, the hills with the Green Hills.

1072
00:57:04,796 --> 00:57:07,424
Yeah. You can see it from Green Hills.

1073
00:57:07,424 --> 00:57:10,260
We have people park there for Iowa State games.

1074
00:57:10,260 --> 00:57:12,137
We have a lot of Ragbrai people.

1075
00:57:12,137 --> 00:57:14,389
Of course, Ragbrai doesn't come through all that often.

1076
00:57:14,389 --> 00:57:19,894
But you know, those Ragbrai guys, they talk a lot.

1077
00:57:19,894 --> 00:57:22,939
It's a private area, but yet it's very,

1078
00:57:22,939 --> 00:57:24,939
very social.

1079
00:57:28,945 --> 00:57:32,157
I guess we're only asking

1080
00:57:32,157 --> 00:57:35,743
for the same accountability from the city,

1081
00:57:35,743 --> 00:57:36,828
from the DOT.

1082
00:57:36,828 --> 00:57:40,665
We're not really sure where the responsibility lies with all of this.

1083
00:57:40,665 --> 00:57:48,890
We know it's not our property, but we are very proud of our community out there.

1084
00:57:48,890 --> 00:57:53,940
So we kind of think of it as our property,

1085
00:57:53,940 --> 00:57:53,928
even though it's not.

1086
00:57:53,928 --> 00:57:54,888
Anyway, I'm babbling,

1087
00:57:54,888 --> 00:57:58,160
but I would just encourage you to come up and take a look at it.

1088
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:01,936
And I think you would see that investing their time with these trees

1089
00:58:01,936 --> 00:58:08,401
or shrubs or low growing anything would really improve a lot for the city.

1090
00:58:08,401 --> 00:58:11,863
Thank you. Mayor, if I could, it'd be nice for the people.

1091
00:58:11,863 --> 00:58:15,408
Ma'am, if you just for saying if you have a specific proposal,

1092
00:58:15,408 --> 00:58:19,704
an option that you'll be recommending, that'd be helpful for us to know.

1093
00:58:19,704 --> 00:58:20,121
Really?

1094
00:58:20,121 --> 00:58:21,915
Is there one of those that because

1095
00:58:21,915 --> 00:58:23,958
I'm not going to go out to the property tonight, so.

1096
00:58:23,958 --> 00:58:24,250
Right.

1097
00:58:24,250 --> 00:58:27,837
But but is there an option that that you would recommend for council.

1098
00:58:27,837 --> 00:58:28,755
It's just be good for us to hear.

1099
00:58:28,755 --> 00:58:29,923
If you don't that's okay. Yeah.

1100
00:58:29,923 --> 00:58:32,258
We would really like to have the grant.

1101
00:58:32,258 --> 00:58:33,718
We would really like to have the grant.

1102
00:58:33,718 --> 00:58:34,886
We would have to have

1103
00:58:34,886 --> 00:58:38,640
we would like to have some vegetation there to protect us from the noise.

1104
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:39,265
Okay.

1105
00:58:39,265 --> 00:58:42,101
So uoption 3 or 4? For the beauty, yeah.

1106
00:58:42,101 --> 00:58:43,394
Okay.

1107
00:58:43,394 --> 00:58:44,187
I just think it would

1108
00:58:44,187 --> 00:58:47,787
enhance the entire community and with,

1109
00:58:48,233 --> 00:58:51,653
with what they're doing at Jack Trice right now with Cytown.

1110
00:58:51,653 --> 00:58:53,821
I mean, it's you're going to have a lot of traffic

1111
00:58:53,821 --> 00:58:55,865
on 30 there if you drive by there right now.

1112
00:58:55,865 --> 00:58:59,160
Honestly, it really does look like a tornado came through.

1113
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:02,330
I know you say you're going to clean it up, but

1114
00:59:02,330 --> 00:59:04,707
sometimes one person's cleanup

1115
00:59:04,707 --> 00:59:08,907
isn't exactly another person's cleanup.

1116
00:59:09,870 --> 00:59:11,256
I don't, you know, we just would like it to look

1117
00:59:11,256 --> 00:59:13,656
beautiful and represent Ames

1118
00:59:14,592 --> 00:59:17,428
the way we all want Ames represented, I guess.

1119
00:59:17,428 --> 00:59:22,600
And I know it probably sets a precedent, but I do feel like it's in a different

1120
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,687
location than, you know, where the

1121
00:59:25,687 --> 00:59:29,899
the sewage thing was or where the where the other power lines were.

1122
00:59:29,899 --> 00:59:32,694
It just it's just a different situation.

1123
00:59:32,694 --> 00:59:34,612
We live right there.

1124
00:59:34,612 --> 00:59:37,407
Thank you. Sharry. Okay. Thank you, thank you.

1125
00:59:37,407 --> 00:59:39,407
Valerie Bohlen.

1126
00:59:44,380 --> 00:59:45,248
Well, I just became the

1127
00:59:45,248 --> 00:59:49,210
president of this association about two months ago.

1128
00:59:49,210 --> 00:59:52,797
But this committee, we have about eight people here

1129
00:59:52,797 --> 00:59:54,797
from, Ironwood Estates.

1130
00:59:56,759 --> 00:59:59,512
And first of all, I want to just thank you

1131
00:59:59,512 --> 01:00:03,112
because we have been very persistent

1132
01:00:03,266 --> 01:00:05,666
with emails and calls.

1133
01:00:06,769 --> 01:00:08,146
Especially Jerry.

1134
01:00:08,146 --> 01:00:11,566
He's very persistent. Jerry Goldsmith.

1135
01:00:11,566 --> 01:00:15,766
And it kind of reminds me of,

1136
01:00:16,946 --> 01:00:17,697
in the Bible,

1137
01:00:17,697 --> 01:00:21,576
there's a story about the persistent widow.

1138
01:00:21,576 --> 01:00:25,288
And she kept going to her judge time

1139
01:00:25,288 --> 01:00:29,208
after time after time, and the judge just kind of ignored her

1140
01:00:29,208 --> 01:00:35,890
until finally he was so tired of her, he gave her what she wanted.

1141
01:00:35,890 --> 01:00:38,301
And so I was thinking about our committee

1142
01:00:38,301 --> 01:00:41,346
and our community there, about persistence.

1143
01:00:41,346 --> 01:00:45,892
It's the firm continued effort to achieve a goal or maintain

1144
01:00:45,892 --> 01:00:51,189
a course of action despite obstacles, oppositions or discouragement.

1145
01:00:51,189 --> 01:00:54,651
And it represents endurance and determination,

1146
01:00:54,651 --> 01:00:58,851
such as facing challenges without giving up.

1147
01:00:58,905 --> 01:01:00,365
And we haven't been giving up.

1148
01:01:00,365 --> 01:01:04,744
We got that first letter last fall, and we have been persistent

1149
01:01:04,744 --> 01:01:10,410
in coming to, the city to help us with this.

1150
01:01:10,410 --> 01:01:13,378
And, I mean, I just want to thank you all.

1151
01:01:13,378 --> 01:01:18,508
I mean, there was an Allison Smith, the mayor, city council members,

1152
01:01:18,508 --> 01:01:23,930
the City of Ames, Department of Transportation, Donald Kom, Mark Imhoff,

1153
01:01:23,930 --> 01:01:29,852
Parks and Recreation, Luke Grant, Gabby Edwards, Rachel Harris, Keith Abraham.

1154
01:01:29,852 --> 01:01:33,564
I mean, there were so many people involved.

1155
01:01:33,564 --> 01:01:34,857
And so I just

1156
01:01:34,857 --> 01:01:38,611
want to let the Department of Transportation know

1157
01:01:38,611 --> 01:01:42,281
that we have a new road, and we need a new sign called

1158
01:01:42,281 --> 01:01:47,453
Ironwood Swing because it comes off of Ironwood Court

1159
01:01:47,453 --> 01:01:52,375
and it goes right to where those pictures were that they showed.

1160
01:01:52,375 --> 01:01:54,961
And we also have a roundabout

1161
01:01:54,961 --> 01:01:57,839
that you can address getting into.

1162
01:01:57,839 --> 01:02:00,842
Valerie, I'm sorry, we have a a long agenda here. Okay, I’m done.

1163
01:02:00,842 --> 01:02:03,940
I'm just, you know, just get to the point.

1164
01:02:03,940 --> 01:02:04,303
And actually to Mr.

1165
01:02:04,303 --> 01:02:08,516
Gartin’s question, do you have an option three and four

1166
01:02:08,516 --> 01:02:11,269
and you're you're welcome if you'd like any other comments.

1167
01:02:11,269 --> 01:02:14,105
But I just, Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. No. That's okay.

1168
01:02:14,105 --> 01:02:17,105
Thank you for being persistent.

1169
01:02:18,901 --> 01:02:20,901
Celine Begs Shuemacher.

1170
01:02:22,697 --> 01:02:24,697
Celine, you here?

1171
01:02:25,199 --> 01:02:27,599
She signed up to.

1172
01:02:28,619 --> 01:02:30,204
Okay.

1173
01:02:30,204 --> 01:02:33,204
And the aforementioned Jerry Goldsmith.

1174
01:02:35,100 --> 01:02:39,201
I got it on my paper here.

1175
01:02:41,257 --> 01:02:41,883
Very quickly.

1176
01:02:41,883 --> 01:02:44,930
I know you guys are busy, and you got a lot to do,

1177
01:02:44,930 --> 01:02:46,846
so I'm not going to take much time just to go backwards.

1178
01:02:46,846 --> 01:02:48,139
Just a minute.

1179
01:02:48,139 --> 01:02:51,684
Number one, that picture, just look at that little line of trees

1180
01:02:51,684 --> 01:02:56,314
is there, that protects those homeowners that that's here, that's gone.

1181
01:02:56,314 --> 01:02:59,734
So anyway, that that frames the whole thing,

1182
01:02:59,734 --> 01:03:03,112
you know, wonder why all the turmoil on this right now.

1183
01:03:03,112 --> 01:03:06,699
But really, for me, it started, a lot of years ago.

1184
01:03:06,699 --> 01:03:08,993
We moved there in 2012.

1185
01:03:08,993 --> 01:03:11,913
Woodlot was there, much denser than it-

1186
01:03:11,913 --> 01:03:15,958
it was even when you guys took it out. It began to fail.

1187
01:03:15,958 --> 01:03:20,400
The city would come in and do their pruning to get rid of those tall trees.

1188
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:21,923
Absolutely no cleanup after that.

1189
01:03:21,923 --> 01:03:24,300
Those embers, all the residue just dropped.

1190
01:03:24,300 --> 01:03:26,594
And so it began to deteriorate.

1191
01:03:26,594 --> 01:03:31,390
And so 2017 or 18, that kind of was a red flag for me.

1192
01:03:31,390 --> 01:03:33,726
And I was president Association at the time.

1193
01:03:33,726 --> 01:03:39,482
And I made contact with DOT, and we ended up with, I think, with the,

1194
01:03:39,482 --> 01:03:42,819
doesn't matter the name, the engineer,

1195
01:03:42,819 --> 01:03:46,614
district engineer and some staff out there to take a look at this.

1196
01:03:46,614 --> 01:03:50,201
The proposal that we were presenting at that time was to say,

1197
01:03:50,201 --> 01:03:53,162
take south of the south edge of that woodlot.

1198
01:03:53,162 --> 01:03:56,541
Let's put some conifers out there, get some height to them,

1199
01:03:56,541 --> 01:03:59,126
and when they come up now we have protection.

1200
01:03:59,126 --> 01:04:01,170
You guys come in to clean it up.

1201
01:04:01,170 --> 01:04:04,131
It doesn't bother us because we've already got our protection.

1202
01:04:04,131 --> 01:04:06,926
When when Doug Snyder in his group left that day,

1203
01:04:06,926 --> 01:04:11,970
one of the staff people came up to me, said, well, at least you got funding.

1204
01:04:11,970 --> 01:04:11,931
And then they did.

1205
01:04:11,931 --> 01:04:15,351
They directed that to another staff member and nothing ever happened.

1206
01:04:15,351 --> 01:04:16,644
So here we are.

1207
01:04:16,644 --> 01:04:18,620
If we would have got that accomplished

1208
01:04:18,620 --> 01:04:19,939
at that time, that would have been a good thing.

1209
01:04:19,939 --> 01:04:24,902
So then when this pops up, I'm still trying to thinking back here.

1210
01:04:24,902 --> 01:04:26,362
So I'm thinking we got to get active here.

1211
01:04:26,362 --> 01:04:28,364
So that's what that's kind of where we're at.

1212
01:04:28,364 --> 01:04:31,284
And so that's that's kind of what brings us to the front

1213
01:04:31,284 --> 01:04:36,247
I think talking about the options, I think the do nothing option

1214
01:04:36,247 --> 01:04:42,295
is kind of interesting because it's going to cost the city money upfront.

1215
01:04:42,295 --> 01:04:44,547
You got to clean that mess up.

1216
01:04:44,547 --> 01:04:47,758
That could be part of the grant application to clean that mess up.

1217
01:04:47,758 --> 01:04:50,970
So there's dollars in your pocket.

1218
01:04:50,970 --> 01:04:51,762
You know, farmer.

1219
01:04:51,762 --> 01:04:53,764
So you think about that.

1220
01:04:53,764 --> 01:04:55,725
That thing is full of weed seeds.

1221
01:04:55,725 --> 01:04:57,393
Some good, some bad.

1222
01:04:57,393 --> 01:05:01,856
So you're just going to let those all grow and then

1223
01:05:01,856 --> 01:05:04,442
prune out the bad ones?

1224
01:05:04,442 --> 01:05:07,570
That's not what we would do in a cornfield.

1225
01:05:07,570 --> 01:05:09,322
We would keep it clean.

1226
01:05:09,322 --> 01:05:11,240
And then, you know, we would keep our clean feed.

1227
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:13,701
And eventually if you cultivate a corner,

1228
01:05:13,701 --> 01:05:16,579
keep the weeds down a long time in a cornfield, you don't have any.

1229
01:05:16,579 --> 01:05:19,498
So I think the same concept applies here.

1230
01:05:19,498 --> 01:05:22,168
So if you approach it from that standpoint and say,

1231
01:05:22,168 --> 01:05:27,214
okay, let's do a controlled planting, put underneath that those

1232
01:05:27,214 --> 01:05:28,841
our lines, what you need to do.

1233
01:05:28,841 --> 01:05:32,940
So you don't so they don't get into the power line.

1234
01:05:32,940 --> 01:05:34,931
But then let's move on out further south.

1235
01:05:34,931 --> 01:05:36,641
And we don't have a lot of room.

1236
01:05:36,641 --> 01:05:37,808
It is tight.

1237
01:05:37,808 --> 01:05:42,146
But let's get some conifers out there that that can protect us.

1238
01:05:42,146 --> 01:05:47,860
And, you know, one of the things I kind of jotted down, I think,

1239
01:05:47,860 --> 01:05:50,321
I think it was commented about, what do you do a benefit

1240
01:05:50,321 --> 01:05:52,448
for a small number of homeowners.

1241
01:05:52,448 --> 01:05:56,350
So what we're really asking for is to restore that benefit.

1242
01:05:56,350 --> 01:05:58,370
That benefit was there.

1243
01:05:58,370 --> 01:05:59,246
It's not there anymore.

1244
01:05:59,246 --> 01:06:02,541
So let's restore that in an orderly manner.

1245
01:06:02,541 --> 01:06:05,211
So that's kind of my pitch there.

1246
01:06:05,211 --> 01:06:10,611
I think, going down here on the, the pros,

1247
01:06:10,716 --> 01:06:13,940
you know, you got a couple of there the grant could provide, not city

1248
01:06:13,940 --> 01:06:14,136
funding source.

1249
01:06:14,136 --> 01:06:16,472
And I think that's the point.

1250
01:06:16,472 --> 01:06:19,684
You save the money up front

1251
01:06:19,684 --> 01:06:20,393
on not

1252
01:06:20,393 --> 01:06:24,355
having letting the grant clean up the area.

1253
01:06:24,355 --> 01:06:28,109
And then you're going to spend some of that money on maintenance afterwards.

1254
01:06:28,109 --> 01:06:30,319
But you should in that process,

1255
01:06:30,319 --> 01:06:34,323
the desirable plants now will crowd out the undesirable plants.

1256
01:06:34,323 --> 01:06:39,578
So I think in the end, you've really accomplished quite a little.

1257
01:06:39,578 --> 01:06:41,330
Jerry, you're at four minutes.

1258
01:06:41,330 --> 01:06:43,499
Could you draw your comments to a close?

1259
01:06:43,499 --> 01:06:44,792
Pardon? You're at four minutes.

1260
01:06:44,792 --> 01:06:48,870
Could you draw your comments to a close please? Oh, very easily.

1261
01:06:48,870 --> 01:06:51,298
I think it's a no brainer.

1262
01:06:51,298 --> 01:06:52,299
You got an opportunity.

1263
01:06:52,299 --> 01:06:54,510
You'll never have that area clean again.

1264
01:06:54,510 --> 01:06:55,636
Never.

1265
01:06:55,636 --> 01:06:59,724
So if you ever want to make a difference, now's the time.

1266
01:06:59,724 --> 01:07:02,351
Thank you. And, appreciate it. Thank you.

1267
01:07:02,351 --> 01:07:09,551
So, anybody else that wants to address council on this topic tonight?

1268
01:07:11,110 --> 01:07:12,361
Hi, I'm Marilyn Devick.

1269
01:07:12,361 --> 01:07:19,410
I live at 2102 Ironwood Lane, which is that far right on the picture there.

1270
01:07:19,410 --> 01:07:21,370
And I

1271
01:07:21,370 --> 01:07:24,665
our jut faces all this area and,

1272
01:07:24,665 --> 01:07:30,400
I guess I my, my concern I, we, I sent you guys an email and everything.

1273
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:35,468
I guess the thing that I would like to point out to you is that the,

1274
01:07:35,468 --> 01:07:38,929
the option three, is is native plants

1275
01:07:38,929 --> 01:07:41,929
and shrubs and it also.

1276
01:07:42,308 --> 01:07:43,601
Yeah.

1277
01:07:43,601 --> 01:07:46,812
You're I to the the proposal says it's the tree.

1278
01:07:46,812 --> 01:07:48,898
The trees are only 10 to 15ft high.

1279
01:07:48,898 --> 01:07:50,733
Which which to me cover.

1280
01:07:50,733 --> 01:07:56,489
You know that that's below the the electric lines. And,

1281
01:07:56,489 --> 01:07:59,742
I just feel like that that would be the best choice.

1282
01:07:59,742 --> 01:08:03,913
And you've got the funding and,

1283
01:08:03,913 --> 01:08:05,913
for it the,

1284
01:08:05,915 --> 01:08:11,253
the discussions that Jerry has had with with the DOT person and

1285
01:08:11,253 --> 01:08:14,256
about this, the who brought this grant

1286
01:08:14,256 --> 01:08:18,100
to our attention, you know, like, hey, this is perfect for you.

1287
01:08:18,100 --> 01:08:19,470
You know,

1288
01:08:19,470 --> 01:08:22,223
basically it's like they said, it's perfect for us.

1289
01:08:22,223 --> 01:08:23,849
It's a good it's a good choice.

1290
01:08:23,849 --> 01:08:28,104
And I think we're probably a shoo in to get the grant.

1291
01:08:28,104 --> 01:08:30,481
Maybe, I’m being optimistic.

1292
01:08:30,481 --> 01:08:33,567
But I just would like to really encourage you to,

1293
01:08:33,567 --> 01:08:36,570
to take advantage of this opportunity to, to clean up.

1294
01:08:36,570 --> 01:08:41,575
If you clean up, at least it even if it's if you do option one at least please

1295
01:08:41,575 --> 01:08:46,288
get rid of the, the buckthorn and the, and the honeysuckle and all that stuff.

1296
01:08:46,288 --> 01:08:50,376
Make it so that the plant you know so we have don't have

1297
01:08:50,376 --> 01:08:53,462
scrub and and icky stuff to look at.

1298
01:08:53,462 --> 01:08:55,464
And I appreciate you doing that.

1299
01:08:55,464 --> 01:08:58,843
And thank you for listening. Thank you.

1300
01:08:58,843 --> 01:09:00,843
Anybody else

1301
01:09:03,764 --> 01:09:04,140
All right.

1302
01:09:04,140 --> 01:09:05,808
I'll close public comment.

1303
01:09:05,808 --> 01:09:07,808
All right, Council?

1304
01:09:08,602 --> 01:09:11,564
I have one other question.

1305
01:09:11,564 --> 01:09:15,985
We've heard support for 3 or 4 for options,

1306
01:09:15,985 --> 01:09:19,738
and I'm wondering if you have any thoughts, Keith,

1307
01:09:19,738 --> 01:09:24,760
about the difference in maintenance between the two

1308
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:28,414
and whether one or the other is ultimately going to be better

1309
01:09:28,414 --> 01:09:30,814
for a long term,

1310
01:09:32,459 --> 01:09:34,253
maintenance plan?

1311
01:09:34,253 --> 01:09:34,837
Yeah.

1312
01:09:34,837 --> 01:09:39,758
I think between that and listening to the people who just spoke and, you know,

1313
01:09:39,758 --> 01:09:43,950
the screening and, and everything, I think

1314
01:09:43,950 --> 01:09:46,140
option 4 may be the better choice.

1315
01:09:46,140 --> 01:09:50,644
I think the junipers will will provide a nice look,

1316
01:09:50,644 --> 01:09:53,105
to provide some, some screening.

1317
01:09:53,105 --> 01:09:56,609
Whether you're coming on highway 30 or you're in a neighborhood,

1318
01:09:56,609 --> 01:10:00,446
I think that will will be a better look and,

1319
01:10:00,446 --> 01:10:05,340
most likely be less maintenance for us in the long run.

1320
01:10:05,340 --> 01:10:06,660
I, I guess I

1321
01:10:06,660 --> 01:10:11,582
would have one comment after hearing the input and that is that

1322
01:10:11,582 --> 01:10:16,378
I think if if we're looking to not establish a precedent here,

1323
01:10:16,378 --> 01:10:19,423
we have a location that is arguably

1324
01:10:19,423 --> 01:10:24,303
a gateway location to the city that's highly visible,

1325
01:10:24,303 --> 01:10:27,903
that, has a grant opportunity available

1326
01:10:29,990 --> 01:10:32,699
and that also, has not been,

1327
01:10:35,272 --> 01:10:39,235
maintained as well as it could be by us

1328
01:10:39,235 --> 01:10:42,363
when we've gone in to do things there.

1329
01:10:42,363 --> 01:10:45,991
And so that seems like a unique set of circumstances to me,

1330
01:10:45,991 --> 01:10:50,663
that would not necessarily establish a precedent for elsewhere in the city.

1331
01:10:50,663 --> 01:10:50,996
Thank you.

1332
01:10:50,996 --> 01:10:53,400
Is there any other questions or comments?

1333
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:54,959
Otherwise I entertain a motion. Yeah.

1334
01:10:54,959 --> 01:10:56,430
I mean, I know I speak for council.

1335
01:10:56,430 --> 01:10:58,430
Thanks everyone, for,

1336
01:10:58,295 --> 01:11:02,383
your persistence and and very positive engagement with the staff and us.

1337
01:11:02,383 --> 01:11:05,928
And so I'll, I'll move option four. Second.

1338
01:11:05,928 --> 01:11:11,642
Okay. Those in favor of the motion, please say aye. Aye.

1339
01:11:11,642 --> 01:11:15,242
Rachel and Anita, are you? Aye!

1340
01:11:15,437 --> 01:11:16,313
Thank you.

1341
01:11:16,313 --> 01:11:19,316
All right. Any of those anyone opposed?

1342
01:11:19,316 --> 01:11:20,734
Motion carried. Thank you.

1343
01:11:20,734 --> 01:11:24,196
All right, thank you. All right.

1344
01:11:24,196 --> 01:11:27,196
Council, I think that numbers 39,

1345
01:11:27,992 --> 01:11:29,992
41 and 42.

1346
01:11:30,869 --> 01:11:32,913
Let's just put those off and keep on going.

1347
01:11:32,913 --> 01:11:35,624
We'll do we'll move on to planning and housing right now, and I'll,

1348
01:11:35,624 --> 01:11:40,421
we'll circle back and pick up the city attorney's description,

1349
01:11:40,421 --> 01:11:44,210
precast panel staining and, park boundaries

1350
01:11:44,300 --> 01:11:45,759
to a little later in the meeting.

1351
01:11:45,759 --> 01:11:48,846
So I think there's people here for those topics also.

1352
01:11:48,846 --> 01:11:55,102
So we'll go to item number 43, Dover Development to waive subdivision 43.

1353
01:11:55,102 --> 01:11:58,220
Is my I don't know, I'm just making sure it's 43.

1354
01:11:58,220 --> 01:12:00,316
Yeah. This one's 43 online too.

1355
01:12:00,316 --> 01:12:03,694
And all right I my apologies.

1356
01:12:03,694 --> 01:12:07,894
I do know how to read numbers.

1357
01:12:18,208 --> 01:12:18,500
All right.

1358
01:12:18,500 --> 01:12:20,252
So good night or good evening Council.

1359
01:12:20,252 --> 01:12:22,652
So this item is,

1360
01:12:23,500 --> 01:12:24,381
something you don't normally see.

1361
01:12:24,381 --> 01:12:28,761
We have, property that's in the process of being divided

1362
01:12:28,761 --> 01:12:32,639
into three lots of two commercial lots and then one residential lot.

1363
01:12:32,639 --> 01:12:34,639
Dover is the,

1364
01:12:35,100 --> 01:12:39,188
prospective purchaser of the residential lot to build an assisted living facility.

1365
01:12:39,188 --> 01:12:43,317
You recently approved a master plan and rezoning to allow for them

1366
01:12:43,317 --> 01:12:44,985
to pursue that option of an assisted

1367
01:12:44,985 --> 01:12:49,310
living facility, as they've been applying for and working

1368
01:12:49,310 --> 01:12:53,452
towards their special permit application to develop the property.

1369
01:12:53,452 --> 01:12:59,208
They requested an additional driveway, or I should say a driveway on to GW Carver.

1370
01:12:59,208 --> 01:13:03,128
When the three lots were created, Columbus was meant to be the local street

1371
01:13:03,128 --> 01:13:06,757
as the point of access for all three of the lots.

1372
01:13:06,757 --> 01:13:11,345
At this point, Dover would prefer to have a Columbus Street access point,

1373
01:13:11,345 --> 01:13:14,556
as well as a new access point on GW Carver,

1374
01:13:14,556 --> 01:13:18,560
which is primarily meant to be their front door, direct driveway

1375
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:22,106
into the, center of their project, where they would

1376
01:13:22,106 --> 01:13:24,149
where they would situate the building.

1377
01:13:24,149 --> 01:13:29,279
So typically the city, limits and restricts access to arterial streets.

1378
01:13:29,279 --> 01:13:32,699
GW carver is is identified as a minor arterial

1379
01:13:32,699 --> 01:13:36,745
for the city due to volume of cars and speed of travel.

1380
01:13:36,745 --> 01:13:40,165
In this case, the subdivision code would restrict

1381
01:13:40,165 --> 01:13:43,165
no new, roadways or driveways.

1382
01:13:43,710 --> 01:13:46,630
Unless they're an actual public street or a frontage road.

1383
01:13:46,630 --> 01:13:51,927
But the request today is for the driveway, based on,

1384
01:13:51,927 --> 01:13:54,263
essentially a waiver of that standard

1385
01:13:54,263 --> 01:13:59,309
based on using spacing standards for access points under SUDAS.

1386
01:13:59,309 --> 01:14:02,646
So in that situation, we have a subdivision code that is a

1387
01:14:02,646 --> 01:14:07,151
little bit more, dated in its approach is trying to manage access for, for safety

1388
01:14:07,151 --> 01:14:11,613
and convenience of of the traveling public. SUDAS is an engineering,

1389
01:14:11,613 --> 01:14:14,366
standards manual that the city uses.

1390
01:14:14,366 --> 01:14:18,360
Our public works department applies and it's, it's used on a statewide basis,

1391
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:21,373
and it uses, access management based on speed

1392
01:14:21,373 --> 01:14:24,501
and roadway design to space out these intersections.

1393
01:14:24,501 --> 01:14:28,797
So our staff, our public works staff has reviewed the request.

1394
01:14:28,797 --> 01:14:32,551
They believe that if council were to waive the standards,

1395
01:14:32,551 --> 01:14:35,596
the new driveway could meet SUDAS space and requirements,

1396
01:14:35,596 --> 01:14:39,433
which is essentially the distance from the Columbus Street intersection.

1397
01:14:39,433 --> 01:14:42,478
Now, there's one other caveat to that decision.

1398
01:14:42,478 --> 01:14:45,981
One is whether we think it's a suitable and safe access point,

1399
01:14:45,981 --> 01:14:49,359
which is what the waiver is based on, but what is unresolved,

1400
01:14:49,359 --> 01:14:53,155
and we've discussed this in the report, is what are the full improvements of GW

1401
01:14:53,155 --> 01:14:57,868
Carver going to constitute, at the time of final approval of the project?

1402
01:14:57,868 --> 01:15:01,872
So in staff's recommendation, we're suggesting that council

1403
01:15:01,872 --> 01:15:03,290
could waive the limitation.

1404
01:15:03,290 --> 01:15:06,835
Essentially, it's based on the fact that the site is so large,

1405
01:15:06,835 --> 01:15:10,672
that another local street could have been built, but it's not,

1406
01:15:10,672 --> 01:15:13,675
that you could meet spacing requirements for safety.

1407
01:15:13,675 --> 01:15:16,178
But the the need for the actual roadway

1408
01:15:16,178 --> 01:15:19,681
improvements in terms of widening are unknown at this time.

1409
01:15:19,681 --> 01:15:22,935
There's an ongoing traffic study in relation to GW

1410
01:15:22,935 --> 01:15:25,854
Carver and the Cameron School intersection.

1411
01:15:25,854 --> 01:15:29,107
The applicant has been told if we were to do this, depending

1412
01:15:29,107 --> 01:15:32,861
on the outcome of that traffic study, lane widening might need to extend

1413
01:15:32,861 --> 01:15:38,367
further south all the way to the driveway for access to this site.

1414
01:15:38,367 --> 01:15:40,994
The way this is set up is, if you were to motion

1415
01:15:40,994 --> 01:15:44,957
alternative one, you're indicating support for the waiver.

1416
01:15:44,957 --> 01:15:48,168
The final decision on approval would come with the final plat,

1417
01:15:48,168 --> 01:15:51,838
which is predicted to be within, the I'll say, the next two months.

1418
01:15:51,838 --> 01:15:56,510
So probably by May you would have the final plat, which would include

1419
01:15:56,510 --> 01:15:59,513
the conclusions of the traffic study and the roadway improvements

1420
01:15:59,513 --> 01:16:03,113
that are planned for GW Carver.

1421
01:16:05,310 --> 01:16:05,894
Thanks, Kelly.

1422
01:16:05,894 --> 01:16:07,894
Questions?

1423
01:16:10,650 --> 01:16:12,776
Kelly, I'm I'm remembering correctly

1424
01:16:12,776 --> 01:16:16,196
that the bike trails on the going to be on the east side, is that correct?

1425
01:16:16,196 --> 01:16:16,446
Yeah.

1426
01:16:16,446 --> 01:16:19,116
Long term the the shared use path would extend on the Northridge

1427
01:16:19,116 --> 01:16:22,160
Heights side and continue east and connect into the path that's at.

1428
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:24,913
It's on the east side. Okay. Thanks.

1429
01:16:24,913 --> 01:16:26,623
So it'll be sidewalk on this frontage.

1430
01:16:26,623 --> 01:16:28,792
Shared use path on the other frontage. Okay,

1431
01:16:28,792 --> 01:16:30,627
thanks.

1432
01:16:30,627 --> 01:16:32,627
Other questions?

1433
01:16:36,910 --> 01:16:39,910
Can you talk about just,

1434
01:16:40,262 --> 01:16:44,266
a little bit about potential traffic implications?

1435
01:16:44,266 --> 01:16:44,558
On GW

1436
01:16:44,558 --> 01:16:48,145
Carver I think people are aware that

1437
01:16:48,145 --> 01:16:51,690
just a lot of people are driving, you know, back and forth.

1438
01:16:51,690 --> 01:16:53,690
If we enter,

1439
01:16:54,260 --> 01:16:57,821
or, you know, introduce another curb cut there.

1440
01:16:57,821 --> 01:16:59,720
Can you just talk about that?

1441
01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:02,200
Kelly, I know there's some consideration of trying to see if we're going

1442
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:05,245
to maybe do a roundabout, maybe not for sure.

1443
01:17:05,245 --> 01:17:06,121
At the, yeah.

1444
01:17:06,121 --> 01:17:09,625
So it's a little unusual in how many things are up in the air at this moment.

1445
01:17:09,625 --> 01:17:14,171
There's a lot kind of converging together on, parallel timelines here.

1446
01:17:14,171 --> 01:17:17,758
So you had this preliminary plat approved,

1447
01:17:17,758 --> 01:17:18,675
and you have a developer

1448
01:17:18,675 --> 01:17:21,803
trying to build on that larger lot to the south.

1449
01:17:21,803 --> 01:17:25,307
But in the meantime, City council has directed staff

1450
01:17:25,307 --> 01:17:30,937
to, evaluate and study an option for a roundabout at Cameron School Road.

1451
01:17:30,937 --> 01:17:31,480
And GW

1452
01:17:31,480 --> 01:17:35,108
Car-, GW Carver, in partnership with Story County.

1453
01:17:35,108 --> 01:17:38,487
If that and that process is underway, and selecting an engineer

1454
01:17:38,487 --> 01:17:40,113
to do a preliminary design,

1455
01:17:40,113 --> 01:17:43,575
if the City council were to move forward with that process.

1456
01:17:43,575 --> 01:17:47,162
The improvements on GW Carver are predicted to be different

1457
01:17:47,162 --> 01:17:49,998
than if we defaulted back to a traffic signal system

1458
01:17:49,998 --> 01:17:52,709
when we originally approved this preliminary plat,

1459
01:17:52,709 --> 01:17:56,380
it was assumed there would be a three lane section with a traffic signal

1460
01:17:56,380 --> 01:17:57,839
at Cameron School Road.

1461
01:17:57,839 --> 01:18:01,551
That three lane section would carry all the way through any access

1462
01:18:01,551 --> 01:18:02,844
point on GW Carver.

1463
01:18:02,844 --> 01:18:06,682
To ensure that you had left protected left turns into the site.

1464
01:18:06,682 --> 01:18:09,643
So what we don't have is that completed traffic study

1465
01:18:09,643 --> 01:18:13,313
to say that if a roundabout was built,

1466
01:18:13,313 --> 01:18:16,942
would the same three lane section requirement exist

1467
01:18:16,942 --> 01:18:21,113
past Columbus all the way down to any additional access point for this driveway?

1468
01:18:21,113 --> 01:18:23,156
It may or may not.

1469
01:18:23,156 --> 01:18:25,909
If it was just a signal, it likely would require

1470
01:18:25,909 --> 01:18:29,790
that lane extension because the speeds would be higher out here.

1471
01:18:29,790 --> 01:18:31,623
If the roundabout is the selected alternative,

1472
01:18:31,623 --> 01:18:35,252
it's likely the speeds would be lowered, which, limits

1473
01:18:35,252 --> 01:18:38,839
the need for certain turning movement protections on these types of roadways.

1474
01:18:38,839 --> 01:18:42,843
And that's why tonight it's if you do move forward, it's it's

1475
01:18:42,843 --> 01:18:46,513
conditional on final approval of that plat to get the final results

1476
01:18:46,513 --> 01:18:50,600
of the traffic study on on how to configure the roadway.

1477
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:53,600
And can you comment on,

1478
01:18:54,104 --> 01:18:58,859
the who's who, who would be responsible for

1479
01:18:58,859 --> 01:19:01,270
improvements to GW Carver

1480
01:19:01,270 --> 01:19:04,364
if there were a widening or turn lane or.

1481
01:19:04,364 --> 01:19:07,750
I'm not talking about the roundabout, I'm talking,

1482
01:19:07,750 --> 01:19:09,770
right at this particular junction. Right.

1483
01:19:09,770 --> 01:19:12,789
So in the with the plat that created the the lots,

1484
01:19:12,789 --> 01:19:16,710
the developer inherited the obligation, making the frontage improvements necessary

1485
01:19:16,710 --> 01:19:18,420
for access to the site.

1486
01:19:18,420 --> 01:19:21,506
What the roundabout is kind of that intersection improvement

1487
01:19:21,506 --> 01:19:22,841
that's a little bit off site.

1488
01:19:22,841 --> 01:19:27,262
So for staff as we've considered this, if there was any improvement to GW

1489
01:19:27,262 --> 01:19:32,100
Carver necessary to improve that that proposed over driveway,

1490
01:19:32,100 --> 01:19:37,564
it would be on the the developer to make that improvement for the Dover driveway.

1491
01:19:37,564 --> 01:19:40,400
And that would be based on the traffic study

1492
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:42,611
recommendation or staff or how would that be?

1493
01:19:42,611 --> 01:19:42,778
Yeah.

1494
01:19:42,778 --> 01:19:47,616
So once staff is able to to see the final traffic study, then we would make our

1495
01:19:47,616 --> 01:19:51,411
our final recommendations on what the improvements need to be. GW

1496
01:19:51,411 --> 01:19:56,124
Carver either the council will be approving those with the final plat

1497
01:19:56,124 --> 01:19:58,794
or the Zoning Board of adjustment with the special use permit

1498
01:19:58,794 --> 01:20:00,962
process would have to make those final decisions.

1499
01:20:00,962 --> 01:20:04,490
In all likelihood, it's the city council with the final plat.

1500
01:20:04,490 --> 01:20:05,717
Okay.

1501
01:20:05,717 --> 01:20:07,969
That's extremely helpful, Mayor.

1502
01:20:07,969 --> 01:20:13,580
So I hadn't considered this at all on the roundabout. So,

1503
01:20:13,580 --> 01:20:16,937
it's a little awkward that we're moving forward with this

1504
01:20:16,937 --> 01:20:21,137
without having, definity on the roundabout. So,

1505
01:20:22,943 --> 01:20:27,739
so thank you for for raising this because it's really a different project,

1506
01:20:27,739 --> 01:20:30,739
if it's a roundabout.

1507
01:20:31,243 --> 01:20:32,202
It could be.

1508
01:20:32,202 --> 01:20:34,120
So I think for staff, at first

1509
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:36,248
we were concerned kind of like, what's the timing of all this?

1510
01:20:36,248 --> 01:20:40,126
But we've concluded that whether it's a a signalized intersection

1511
01:20:40,126 --> 01:20:44,798
or a roundabout controlled intersection, the second driveway can exist.

1512
01:20:44,798 --> 01:20:47,509
It's only a question of whether the developer

1513
01:20:47,509 --> 01:20:51,721
is responsible for additional widening with that driveway.

1514
01:20:51,721 --> 01:20:54,724
And I suppose the developer understands that, that

1515
01:20:54,724 --> 01:20:58,924
that's baked into this outcome tonight.

1516
01:20:59,271 --> 01:21:00,397
I believe they do.

1517
01:21:00,397 --> 01:21:03,275
We've said that as staff in our DRC meetings that

1518
01:21:03,275 --> 01:21:06,653
if this was granted, you're responsible for the cost of improvements.

1519
01:21:06,653 --> 01:21:09,300
We just don't know exactly what that improvement is.

1520
01:21:09,300 --> 01:21:12,158
If they decide they don't want to bear that cost,

1521
01:21:12,158 --> 01:21:15,161
they can still have their access off Columbus and develop the site.

1522
01:21:15,161 --> 01:21:16,370
It would be their choice

1523
01:21:16,370 --> 01:21:18,623
whether they wanted to pursue that driveway with the cost.

1524
01:21:18,623 --> 01:21:20,208
Okay, great. Thanks.

1525
01:21:20,208 --> 01:21:25,608
Kelly does does SUDAS when it's considering the,

1526
01:21:26,890 --> 01:21:29,689
distance between entry or access points,

1527
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:34,598
take into consideration whether those are controlled

1528
01:21:34,598 --> 01:21:36,598
access points?

1529
01:21:37,225 --> 01:21:40,312
I'm not going to say I have that memorized.

1530
01:21:40,312 --> 01:21:43,231
My understanding is the speed is the controlling factor

1531
01:21:43,231 --> 01:21:46,735
in terms of the turn lane kind of decision making matrix.

1532
01:21:46,735 --> 01:21:49,321
But I'm also not going to say I'm the civil engineer

1533
01:21:49,321 --> 01:21:51,698
or the traffic engineer interpreting those tables.

1534
01:21:51,698 --> 01:21:56,953
It my main concern is that there is a lot of traffic up there,

1535
01:21:56,953 --> 01:22:02,250
and we've learned recently that from complaints about,

1536
01:22:02,250 --> 01:22:07,500
Mortenson Road and access points from private properties,

1537
01:22:07,380 --> 01:22:12,177
that we don't have the ability to enforce a stop sign

1538
01:22:12,177 --> 01:22:16,431
being put on a private property, even though the code says

1539
01:22:16,431 --> 01:22:20,352
people are supposed to stop before entering the street,

1540
01:22:20,352 --> 01:22:26,107
there isn't anything that that requires that property owner to put up a stop sign.

1541
01:22:26,107 --> 01:22:30,153
And I'm somewhat concerned about having an arterial

1542
01:22:30,153 --> 01:22:33,990
that seems to be as busy as George Washington Carver is,

1543
01:22:33,990 --> 01:22:37,243
and which I assume is only going to get busier.

1544
01:22:37,243 --> 01:22:42,430
Adding an access point that is not controlled.

1545
01:22:42,820 --> 01:22:44,250
If it's an intersection, we've got control.

1546
01:22:44,250 --> 01:22:46,169
And we can we can put up

1547
01:22:46,169 --> 01:22:50,900
stop signs or put in a roundabout or a stoplight or whatever.

1548
01:22:50,900 --> 01:22:56,721
But if it's a private entry way and exit, we don't have that kind of control.

1549
01:22:56,721 --> 01:23:00,684
So that's that's my concern about it.

1550
01:23:00,684 --> 01:23:02,684
Okay.

1551
01:23:04,396 --> 01:23:05,230
Open up public comment. Does anyone

1552
01:23:05,230 --> 01:23:10,300
want to address council on this topic tonight?

1553
01:23:12,362 --> 01:23:16,950
Know can you guys hear me okay. Yes.

1554
01:23:16,950 --> 01:23:18,950
Yes we can.

1555
01:23:20,453 --> 01:23:24,653
this is Patrick Anthon with Dover Development.

1556
01:23:25,208 --> 01:23:28,795
I apologize, we can't be there in person, but,

1557
01:23:28,795 --> 01:23:32,757
we wanted to just kind of give some context here

1558
01:23:32,757 --> 01:23:35,157
and address the access,

1559
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:37,721
this this access point along

1560
01:23:37,721 --> 01:23:41,182
GW Carver is very important to us.

1561
01:23:41,182 --> 01:23:43,184
For a couple reasons.

1562
01:23:43,184 --> 01:23:44,978
The first,

1563
01:23:44,978 --> 01:23:47,897
and I cannot see the board, so I'm not sure if you guys

1564
01:23:47,897 --> 01:23:51,670
have the site plan pulled up.

1565
01:23:51,670 --> 01:23:53,690
But if you do,

1566
01:23:53,690 --> 01:23:55,469
on the west side,

1567
01:23:56,364 --> 01:23:57,824
our site plan, our

1568
01:23:57,824 --> 01:24:00,824
current access is along Columbus,

1569
01:24:01,911 --> 01:24:04,748
to the west of that, you'll see the independent living

1570
01:24:04,748 --> 01:24:07,917
cottage units there, or cottage apartments.

1571
01:24:07,917 --> 01:24:12,881
That is the only other access that we have to the site currently.

1572
01:24:12,881 --> 01:24:15,258
And those will be senior residents

1573
01:24:15,258 --> 01:24:18,887
living in those units kind of blocking,

1574
01:24:18,887 --> 01:24:21,222
you know, using that to walk to

1575
01:24:21,222 --> 01:24:24,222
and from the community building.

1576
01:24:24,309 --> 01:24:28,980
And so our concern with only having that as our only access

1577
01:24:28,980 --> 01:24:33,777
point is that being where all of the traffic flows,

1578
01:24:33,777 --> 01:24:39,740
you know, to and from when those residents are walking back and forth.

1579
01:24:39,740 --> 01:24:41,701
The access point along GW

1580
01:24:41,701 --> 01:24:44,579
Carver is a lot closer to the community building.

1581
01:24:44,579 --> 01:24:50,126
And again, it it allows those residents and those cottages to,

1582
01:24:50,126 --> 01:24:52,879
you know, have a safe environment back there

1583
01:24:52,879 --> 01:24:56,925
where they're not as concerned about any kind of traffic

1584
01:24:56,925 --> 01:24:58,925
or additional traffic,

1585
01:24:59,469 --> 01:25:03,690
coming from that, secondary access points.

1586
01:25:03,848 --> 01:25:06,248
The other item is

1587
01:25:06,559 --> 01:25:08,186
the response times.

1588
01:25:08,186 --> 01:25:10,897
And just having first responders being able

1589
01:25:10,897 --> 01:25:15,777
to get to our site and have quick access, if they were needed.

1590
01:25:15,777 --> 01:25:16,319
So we

1591
01:25:16,319 --> 01:25:19,864
do want them to be able to pull right in and, service

1592
01:25:19,864 --> 01:25:23,618
the residents or address any kind of,

1593
01:25:23,618 --> 01:25:26,180
emergency that's required.

1594
01:25:27,247 --> 01:25:30,542
The only other thing I wanted to point out is,

1595
01:25:30,542 --> 01:25:32,942
the Christ Community Church

1596
01:25:33,440 --> 01:25:35,444
that's just north,

1597
01:25:35,547 --> 01:25:38,216
has two access points along GW

1598
01:25:38,216 --> 01:25:40,216
Carver.

1599
01:25:40,426 --> 01:25:42,595
And again, in this situation,

1600
01:25:42,595 --> 01:25:47,642
we would only be looking for one access point. And,

1601
01:25:47,642 --> 01:25:49,352
we're not a very high traffic use.

1602
01:25:49,352 --> 01:25:53,481
So really it's it's the safety of our residents and making sure

1603
01:25:53,481 --> 01:26:00,655
they can get, you know, first responders to them as quickly as possible.

1604
01:26:00,655 --> 01:26:01,531
Very good.

1605
01:26:01,531 --> 01:26:02,699
Thank you for your feedback.

1606
01:26:02,699 --> 01:26:04,284
And yes, we can see your site plan.

1607
01:26:04,284 --> 01:26:06,953
Kelly brought it up on the,

1608
01:26:06,953 --> 01:26:07,996
on the screen for us.

1609
01:26:07,996 --> 01:26:09,996
Thank you.

1610
01:26:11,791 --> 01:26:12,830
Great.

1611
01:26:12,830 --> 01:26:17,297
Thanks. Happy to answer any other questions. Thank you.

1612
01:26:17,297 --> 01:26:18,506
Anyone else want to address

1613
01:26:18,506 --> 01:26:20,906
council on this topic?

1614
01:26:24,262 --> 01:26:24,512
All right,

1615
01:26:24,512 --> 01:26:27,307
we'll close public input.

1616
01:26:27,307 --> 01:26:30,307
Any additional questions for staff?

1617
01:26:30,810 --> 01:26:32,103
Kelly,

1618
01:26:32,103 --> 01:26:37,775
the developer raised a point that I wanted to, circle back to you quickly.

1619
01:26:37,775 --> 01:26:42,488
Just from a planning perspective, having more than one access point

1620
01:26:42,488 --> 01:26:46,451
seems like a really good idea for all kinds of reasons.

1621
01:26:46,451 --> 01:26:50,747
And so I just wanted to get your feedback on that particular point

1622
01:26:50,747 --> 01:26:54,375
from a a planning perspective, would you agree that having a second

1623
01:26:54,375 --> 01:26:59,631
point of access for this is a it's a good principle.

1624
01:26:59,631 --> 01:27:01,758
I think if if you're starting from scratch,

1625
01:27:01,758 --> 01:27:07,222
we yeah, we want we want a road network density of about every 6 to 800ft

1626
01:27:07,222 --> 01:27:08,556
so that we have local streets

1627
01:27:08,556 --> 01:27:11,226
going into developments, creating access opportunities.

1628
01:27:11,226 --> 01:27:14,354
The way this was platted, you ended up with one

1629
01:27:14,354 --> 01:27:18,554
in a 1200 plus, linear footage of roadway.

1630
01:27:18,816 --> 01:27:20,276
So that's why they're trying to ask

1631
01:27:20,276 --> 01:27:23,821
for the waiver instead of building a second local street

1632
01:27:23,821 --> 01:27:29,202
to get access to the site, because there is no other property here.

1633
01:27:29,202 --> 01:27:30,912
That that's why they're asking for that.

1634
01:27:30,912 --> 01:27:32,664
So it's kind of the density of intersections

1635
01:27:32,664 --> 01:27:33,206
were determined

1636
01:27:33,206 --> 01:27:37,430
by the developer to only have the one, and then this user would prefer to

1637
01:27:37,430 --> 01:27:37,752
have a second.

1638
01:27:37,752 --> 01:27:41,714
And yes, two is generally a good thing for this large of a site.

1639
01:27:41,714 --> 01:27:44,425
It's just the configuration doesn't really fit the way our,

1640
01:27:44,425 --> 01:27:46,886
our subdivision code normally would plan for this.

1641
01:27:46,886 --> 01:27:48,930
Yeah, that's really helpful. Thank you.

1642
01:27:48,930 --> 01:27:49,222
All right.

1643
01:27:49,222 --> 01:27:52,225
So if council's interested in alternative one Kelly

1644
01:27:52,225 --> 01:27:55,103
we should move the approval of the waiver request.

1645
01:27:55,103 --> 01:27:59,230
Would it be also be appropriate to include in there

1646
01:27:59,230 --> 01:28:01,230
just clarifying that

1647
01:28:01,693 --> 01:28:05,571
costs would be borne by the developer if if improvements

1648
01:28:05,571 --> 01:28:09,325
at GW Carver were necessary for due to the traffic study?

1649
01:28:09,325 --> 01:28:12,829
Yeah, I think if that gives more comfort to the council that the city isn't looked

1650
01:28:12,829 --> 01:28:15,581
at as being the resource to implement this option,

1651
01:28:15,581 --> 01:28:18,100
then I think that makes sense to add that to alternative one.

1652
01:28:18,100 --> 01:28:21,629
And could it also be that there would be a road

1653
01:28:21,629 --> 01:28:25,383
that the plat or somehow we show that there is some

1654
01:28:25,383 --> 01:28:27,885
to Gloria's point about,

1655
01:28:27,885 --> 01:28:31,848
a stop sign of some sort or some kind of control?

1656
01:28:31,848 --> 01:28:35,685
So the on site, an on site stop sign would not be part of a plat.

1657
01:28:35,685 --> 01:28:38,271
It would be something that would be discussed with,

1658
01:28:38,271 --> 01:28:40,606
the special use permit, which is what reviews the site planning.

1659
01:28:40,606 --> 01:28:42,358
You don't see that. Okay.

1660
01:28:42,358 --> 01:28:43,693
I think that's that's noted.

1661
01:28:43,693 --> 01:28:47,905
You could put a condition on the waiver that on site stop control is there.

1662
01:28:47,905 --> 01:28:48,656
That's not an issue.

1663
01:28:48,656 --> 01:28:50,700
I don't think for anyone to put that there.

1664
01:28:50,700 --> 01:28:53,786
If if that was an issue citywide, I would say you want to look at that

1665
01:28:53,786 --> 01:28:55,371
as a zoning issue.

1666
01:28:55,371 --> 01:28:59,167
Not on a case by case issue because it will just get lost.

1667
01:28:59,167 --> 01:29:02,545
But if it's a citywide concern, you would add that to the zoning code.

1668
01:29:02,545 --> 01:29:06,490
Okay. All right. Is there a motion

1669
01:29:06,490 --> 01:29:09,490
I would move alternative one,

1670
01:29:10,386 --> 01:29:13,806
contingent on the developer paying for all traffic

1671
01:29:13,806 --> 01:29:17,643
improvements for a driveway off George Washington Carver.

1672
01:29:17,643 --> 01:29:22,230
And would this be where we would widening if necessitated by.

1673
01:29:22,230 --> 01:29:24,250
That's just the traffic improvements.

1674
01:29:24,250 --> 01:29:26,903
Okay. That necessitated by the traffic study.

1675
01:29:26,903 --> 01:29:27,862
Okay.

1676
01:29:27,862 --> 01:29:33,760
But is this the point at which we could put into the motion a request?

1677
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:37,538
Yeah, I think you could say and and and the waivers conditioned upon

1678
01:29:37,538 --> 01:29:40,538
and on site, stop control

1679
01:29:40,541 --> 01:29:44,212
and the waiver conditioned upon on site stop control.

1680
01:29:44,212 --> 01:29:45,505
Second. Okay.

1681
01:29:45,505 --> 01:29:47,505
All right.

1682
01:29:47,715 --> 01:29:48,841
Any further conversation?

1683
01:29:48,841 --> 01:29:51,241
Otherwise we'll uh-

1684
01:29:51,719 --> 01:29:54,119
All right. Roll call.

1685
01:29:54,472 --> 01:29:56,472
Rollins. Aye.

1686
01:29:56,557 --> 01:29:58,957
Beatty-Hansen? Aye. Gartin? Aye.

1687
01:29:59,185 --> 01:30:01,185
Betcher? Aye. Junck?

1688
01:30:08,690 --> 01:30:10,690
Junck? Aye.

1689
01:30:10,863 --> 01:30:12,323
Corrieri? Aye.

1690
01:30:12,323 --> 01:30:14,323
Very good.

1691
01:30:16,350 --> 01:30:16,953
All right.

1692
01:30:16,953 --> 01:30:17,537
We’ll move onto

1693
01:30:17,537 --> 01:30:22,125
item number 44 development agreement outline for Auburn trail on Hyde avenue.

1694
01:30:22,125 --> 01:30:22,417
All right.

1695
01:30:22,417 --> 01:30:25,753
So tonight we're talking about the Auburn Trail Subdivision and a few items

1696
01:30:25,753 --> 01:30:26,546
later on the agenda,

1697
01:30:26,546 --> 01:30:28,756
you're going to talk about the rezoning for the site

1698
01:30:28,756 --> 01:30:31,717
to fit this development concept that we're talking here.

1699
01:30:31,717 --> 01:30:34,345
We're talking about this one first because there's already

1700
01:30:34,345 --> 01:30:37,473
two development agreements that are in place for this property.

1701
01:30:37,473 --> 01:30:40,768
You have an original annexation agreement that's spelled out

1702
01:30:40,768 --> 01:30:44,897
obligations related to participation in a street assessment,

1703
01:30:44,897 --> 01:30:48,192
water buyout fees, water and sewer connection fees,

1704
01:30:48,192 --> 01:30:51,237
and some other obligations for development of the property.

1705
01:30:51,237 --> 01:30:54,657
And then a few years ago, when you first rezone the property,

1706
01:30:54,657 --> 01:30:59,787
part of the consideration of that rezoning was to add a contract rezoning item

1707
01:30:59,787 --> 01:31:03,583
that the developer is responsible for completing a trail segment

1708
01:31:03,583 --> 01:31:07,545
across the entire frontage of the site along Hyde.

1709
01:31:07,545 --> 01:31:14,552
And as this project was discussed in the incentives conversation back in December,

1710
01:31:14,552 --> 01:31:17,805
we defined a number of things

1711
01:31:17,805 --> 01:31:21,976
that would be financially beneficial to the property owner, to the developer.

1712
01:31:21,976 --> 01:31:24,610
They're they constitute really three main things.

1713
01:31:24,610 --> 01:31:26,189
One, the developer would no longer

1714
01:31:26,189 --> 01:31:30,651
be responsible for the Hyde Trail improvements on the frontage.

1715
01:31:30,651 --> 01:31:33,779
They would only be responsible for their their street improvement

1716
01:31:33,779 --> 01:31:37,366
with the intersection that they would make, not the whole trail.

1717
01:31:37,366 --> 01:31:40,912
Secondly, the annexation agreement had a traffic,

1718
01:31:40,912 --> 01:31:44,415
kind of a share, a traffic impact fee associated with development

1719
01:31:44,415 --> 01:31:48,377
to contribute to a signal that would occur down at Bloomington and Hyde.

1720
01:31:48,377 --> 01:31:51,422
The request is to waive that fee, which would then have the city

1721
01:31:51,422 --> 01:31:55,134
be responsible for picking up that that cost when the signal is done.

1722
01:31:55,134 --> 01:32:00,389
And then the third benefit, was to waive some of the water and sewer

1723
01:32:00,389 --> 01:32:04,977
connection fees, and that was based on the idea of the first 50 homes

1724
01:32:04,977 --> 01:32:07,522
that were were developed with the site.

1725
01:32:07,522 --> 01:32:10,942
So since December, we've we've communicated with the Hunsaker

1726
01:32:10,942 --> 01:32:12,318
companies to, to kind of put

1727
01:32:12,318 --> 01:32:14,987
a little more meat on the bones here about what this really means.

1728
01:32:14,987 --> 01:32:16,572
So in this report, you now

1729
01:32:16,572 --> 01:32:20,576
have a list of developer commitments and city commitments.

1730
01:32:20,576 --> 01:32:21,536
This outline,

1731
01:32:21,536 --> 01:32:25,289
if it's approved tonight, would then lead to an actual development agreement

1732
01:32:25,289 --> 01:32:28,501
that we would approve, essentially concurrent with final plat,

1733
01:32:28,501 --> 01:32:31,170
because that would establish what all the actual obligations are.

1734
01:32:31,170 --> 01:32:34,632
It also ties into the timing of certain payments,

1735
01:32:34,632 --> 01:32:37,677
for connection fees and water buyout fees.

1736
01:32:37,677 --> 01:32:38,594
So I think what you

1737
01:32:38,594 --> 01:32:42,431
see on the board tonight is, is consistent with the discussion in December.

1738
01:32:42,431 --> 01:32:44,308
We have shared this with Hunziker companies.

1739
01:32:44,308 --> 01:32:47,895
I believe they're, an agreement with this as well.

1740
01:32:47,895 --> 01:32:49,605
I'm happy to answer any questions.

1741
01:32:49,605 --> 01:32:50,640
Thanks, Kelly.

1742
01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:52,640
Questions?

1743
01:32:56,195 --> 01:32:56,529
Open up

1744
01:32:56,529 --> 01:33:00,575
public input, anyone want to address council?

1745
01:33:00,575 --> 01:33:02,575
Chuck?

1746
01:33:06,539 --> 01:33:06,914
Good evening,

1747
01:33:06,914 --> 01:33:07,582
Mayor and council.

1748
01:33:07,582 --> 01:33:10,840
Chuck Winkleblack, 105 South 16th Street.

1749
01:33:10,840 --> 01:33:13,588
I just want to thank Kelly and everybody that's worked on this.

1750
01:33:13,588 --> 01:33:16,591
Between the changes to the conservation subdivision.

1751
01:33:16,591 --> 01:33:20,177
And we've been talking about this project for 6 or 7 years.

1752
01:33:20,177 --> 01:33:23,723
So we're, anxious to get started, moving some dirt

1753
01:33:23,723 --> 01:33:26,392
and just appreciate everything that with Steve and Kelly

1754
01:33:26,392 --> 01:33:28,978
and everybody else that's worked on this to get us to tonight.

1755
01:33:28,978 --> 01:33:31,689
So happy to answer any questions.

1756
01:33:31,689 --> 01:33:34,890
Any questions for Chuck?

1757
01:33:35,151 --> 01:33:35,610
Thank you.

1758
01:33:35,610 --> 01:33:37,820
Thanks for investing in the project too, Chuck.

1759
01:33:37,820 --> 01:33:38,321
All right.

1760
01:33:38,321 --> 01:33:41,321
Anyone else wanna address council?

1761
01:33:42,491 --> 01:33:43,826
Close public input.

1762
01:33:43,826 --> 01:33:45,828
Is there a motion?

1763
01:33:45,828 --> 01:33:47,828
Move alternative 1. Second.

1764
01:33:48,289 --> 01:33:50,689
Thank you. Roll call.

1765
01:33:51,459 --> 01:33:53,377
Beatty-Hansen? Aye. Gartin? Aye.

1766
01:33:53,377 --> 01:33:55,777
Betcher? Aye. Junck? Aye.

1767
01:33:56,881 --> 01:34:00,481
Corrieri? Aye. Rollins? Aye. Thank you.

1768
01:34:01,719 --> 01:34:05,848
I move on to item 45, awarded contracts resource recovery and recycling

1769
01:34:05,848 --> 01:34:07,848
campus.

1770
01:34:26,160 --> 01:34:27,662
Just wanna comment,

1771
01:34:27,662 --> 01:34:28,120
Justin,

1772
01:34:28,120 --> 01:34:31,720
and, Mark, Brian and I think

1773
01:34:31,874 --> 01:34:35,127
you guys did a great job on your report and everything too.

1774
01:34:35,127 --> 01:34:38,297
So maybe you guys hit the high points and we can

1775
01:34:38,297 --> 01:34:38,964
keep on moving.

1776
01:34:38,964 --> 01:34:40,591
So we're returning to the city council

1777
01:34:40,591 --> 01:34:43,427
after March 10th, where we reported the bids.

1778
01:34:43,427 --> 01:34:46,931
For this project, we have 11 separate construction contracts

1779
01:34:46,931 --> 01:34:50,810
as a, that will all come together to complete the project.

1780
01:34:50,810 --> 01:34:54,410
The bids came in at $19.6 million.

1781
01:34:55,439 --> 01:34:57,608
By making some other,

1782
01:34:57,608 --> 01:35:01,654
some adjustments in our project budget prior to that time,

1783
01:35:01,654 --> 01:35:06,242
we ultimately had a project shortfall a little over $2.5 million.

1784
01:35:06,242 --> 01:35:10,705
So since two weeks ago, we've gone over 41,

1785
01:35:10,705 --> 01:35:12,705
potential deductions from,

1786
01:35:14,166 --> 01:35:18,966
the project, we accepted, 20 modifications of the project,

1787
01:35:19,460 --> 01:35:22,800
for a cost reduction of a little over $1.5 million.

1788
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:26,512
We have some other project, modifications that are still pending,

1789
01:35:26,512 --> 01:35:28,848
and would, reduce some additional value.

1790
01:35:28,848 --> 01:35:32,601
What's important to note here is that the modifications to this project,

1791
01:35:32,601 --> 01:35:38,107
we believe, will not meaningfully detract from our ability to operate the facility.

1792
01:35:38,107 --> 01:35:42,778
So a lot of these different components that we're, talking about modifying

1793
01:35:42,778 --> 01:35:45,778
or eliminating, relate to esthetic,

1794
01:35:45,781 --> 01:35:49,702
items or they're duplicated in, in,

1795
01:35:49,702 --> 01:35:53,998
different, bid packages, or we believe we can reconfigure things

1796
01:35:53,998 --> 01:35:58,794
in a way that makes a little bit more sense economically, but still,

1797
01:35:58,794 --> 01:35:59,754
accomplishes what we

1798
01:35:59,754 --> 01:36:02,154
would like to accomplish.

1799
01:36:04,759 --> 01:36:09,221
So in addition to the $1.5 million of reductions,

1800
01:36:09,221 --> 01:36:12,160
we were able to modify internally to the budget

1801
01:36:12,160 --> 01:36:17,188
about $263,000, worth of funding that we can free up

1802
01:36:17,188 --> 01:36:21,988
to apply towards the construction contracts, by modifying,

1803
01:36:22,526 --> 01:36:26,572
the construction inspections, and the construction contingency,

1804
01:36:26,572 --> 01:36:29,742
and then also recalculating the construction manager fee to reflect

1805
01:36:29,742 --> 01:36:33,537
the reduced value of the overall construction contracts.

1806
01:36:33,537 --> 01:36:37,708
And then finally, we added some additional revenues into the project.

1807
01:36:37,708 --> 01:36:41,337
We have long anticipated that, fleet services would finance

1808
01:36:41,337 --> 01:36:46,467
the portion of the project that includes the fueling infrastructure.

1809
01:36:46,467 --> 01:36:48,867
And, some of the,

1810
01:36:49,553 --> 01:36:52,553
gate, hardware, to allow city

1811
01:36:52,973 --> 01:36:56,769
vehicles to utilize the fueling infrastructure in the facility.

1812
01:36:56,769 --> 01:37:00,969
So fleet services contribution would be about $425,000.

1813
01:37:01,232 --> 01:37:05,653
We were able to identify some, stormwater quality funding.

1814
01:37:05,653 --> 01:37:06,779
That's in the CIP,

1815
01:37:06,779 --> 01:37:12,760
that makes sense for this project because it's intended for larger,

1816
01:37:12,760 --> 01:37:14,760
almost regional size,

1817
01:37:14,537 --> 01:37:18,749
projects to improve stormwater quality on city properties.

1818
01:37:18,749 --> 01:37:21,149
So we identified $159,000 there.

1819
01:37:21,794 --> 01:37:23,450
We anticipate some,

1820
01:37:23,450 --> 01:37:26,966
hopefully more than what's identified here for electric rebates.

1821
01:37:26,966 --> 01:37:29,366
And then, we have,

1822
01:37:29,969 --> 01:37:33,681
we believe that we can apply for at least,

1823
01:37:33,681 --> 01:37:37,170
the indicated amount, solid Waste Alternatives program grants

1824
01:37:37,170 --> 01:37:38,811
through the Iowa DNR.

1825
01:37:38,811 --> 01:37:42,314
We understand there's a sizable amount of that grant funding available.

1826
01:37:42,314 --> 01:37:44,314
So by,

1827
01:37:44,900 --> 01:37:48,320
taking advantage of all three of those different modifications,

1828
01:37:48,320 --> 01:37:51,448
we ultimately have a balanced project budget.

1829
01:37:51,448 --> 01:37:56,495
And we are recommending, that the contracts be awarded

1830
01:37:56,495 --> 01:37:59,665
and the change orders that are, that require city

1831
01:37:59,665 --> 01:38:03,419
council approval, also be approved at this time.

1832
01:38:03,419 --> 01:38:07,131
There are several change orders that are not included in the council agenda,

1833
01:38:07,131 --> 01:38:09,633
but they are at a level where city staff can approve them

1834
01:38:09,633 --> 01:38:14,960
and so we would just, anticipate taking that route in order to,

1835
01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:16,807
accomplish those modifications to the project.

1836
01:38:16,807 --> 01:38:21,103
We, do need to have a discussion, perhaps at the end of the council meeting,

1837
01:38:21,103 --> 01:38:25,482
just briefly, to identify a time when we can have a brief,

1838
01:38:25,482 --> 01:38:28,694
electronic city council meeting, perhaps late this week,

1839
01:38:28,694 --> 01:38:32,720
where we could, formally approve contract and bonds.

1840
01:38:32,720 --> 01:38:36,201
This is, what the clerk's office would call a perfunctory step.

1841
01:38:36,201 --> 01:38:38,601
That, has to be,

1842
01:38:39,204 --> 01:38:41,874
accomplished in order to fulfill a state code requirement.

1843
01:38:41,874 --> 01:38:44,251
But it would allow us to kick the project off,

1844
01:38:44,251 --> 01:38:47,546
without waiting three weeks for the next council meeting.

1845
01:38:47,546 --> 01:38:48,380
Any questions?

1846
01:38:48,380 --> 01:38:50,341
Thanks, Brian. Questions?

1847
01:38:50,341 --> 01:38:55,220
So, we're just finishing the Fitch Indoor Aquatic Center,

1848
01:38:55,220 --> 01:38:58,641
and we've used a similar

1849
01:38:58,641 --> 01:39:01,769
approach of having instead of one

1850
01:39:01,769 --> 01:39:05,105
bed, we've broken it out into these projects

1851
01:39:05,105 --> 01:39:09,360
and we've had some change orders that have come along.

1852
01:39:09,360 --> 01:39:12,237
And I've sort of got that,

1853
01:39:12,237 --> 01:39:15,699
in front of me as I think about this project.

1854
01:39:15,699 --> 01:39:19,411
And so could you speak to the

1855
01:39:19,411 --> 01:39:24,208
the way in which the reworking of this has affected the,

1856
01:39:24,208 --> 01:39:26,752
contingency that we're holding,

1857
01:39:26,752 --> 01:39:28,752
on this project?

1858
01:39:31,423 --> 01:39:33,384
Well, in order to make this project go,

1859
01:39:33,384 --> 01:39:39,560
we have had to reduce our project, our our construction contingency.

1860
01:39:39,560 --> 01:39:41,560
We have,

1861
01:39:42,977 --> 01:39:45,729
I believe over is it 400,000?

1862
01:39:45,729 --> 01:39:49,650
We have $400,000 in change in the construction contingency.

1863
01:39:49,650 --> 01:39:51,650
428,598 in construction contingency,

1864
01:39:54,405 --> 01:39:57,950
we're going to continue to identify,

1865
01:39:57,950 --> 01:40:00,369
ways in which we might,

1866
01:40:00,369 --> 01:40:03,372
adjust the project to address costs.

1867
01:40:03,372 --> 01:40:07,334
And again, identify any opportunities for funding that have been out

1868
01:40:07,334 --> 01:40:11,880
that might be out there that we could also add to the revenue side of the project

1869
01:40:11,880 --> 01:40:15,920
to ensure that we have sufficient cushion to make the project go.

1870
01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:17,886
We know that this project must occur, right?

1871
01:40:17,886 --> 01:40:22,433
We don't have an alternative for solid waste handling.

1872
01:40:22,433 --> 01:40:24,268
Well, and I and I agree with all that.

1873
01:40:24,268 --> 01:40:25,936
I want to just stay focused on my question.

1874
01:40:25,936 --> 01:40:30,149
I know we're really short on time, so,

1875
01:40:30,149 --> 01:40:34,278
is there a rule of thumb that the city has followed with respect to what

1876
01:40:34,278 --> 01:40:39,783
the contingency should be as a percentage of an overall construction project?

1877
01:40:39,783 --> 01:40:43,579
I don't have that number in my head.

1878
01:40:43,579 --> 01:40:44,580
Is it a 1%?

1879
01:40:44,580 --> 01:40:48,417
you would typically see between 5 to 8%, probably.

1880
01:40:48,417 --> 01:40:50,335
So we're on the lower end of that with this.

1881
01:40:50,335 --> 01:40:52,463
When we recognize that,

1882
01:40:52,463 --> 01:40:55,632
but I think what what we've identified through all this work we've done with

1883
01:40:55,632 --> 01:41:00,540
these contractors is really to look at all these places that we can get rid of,

1884
01:41:00,540 --> 01:41:02,639
some of the uncertainty that maybe was there on bid day

1885
01:41:02,639 --> 01:41:07,610
and find ways that we can make sure we have this, project as tight as we can.

1886
01:41:07,610 --> 01:41:11,982
And a lot of it comes into the one of the biggest packages on here is the,

1887
01:41:11,982 --> 01:41:14,382
the, the processing equipment.

1888
01:41:14,568 --> 01:41:15,486
Thank you.

1889
01:41:15,486 --> 01:41:16,820
And we work really closely

1890
01:41:16,820 --> 01:41:20,407
with that project designer there to make sure that what we had there

1891
01:41:20,407 --> 01:41:23,952
was, was appropriate, and that we found a more effective way to,

1892
01:41:23,952 --> 01:41:26,330
to make sure we got done what we needed to get done with the waste

1893
01:41:26,330 --> 01:41:28,165
and still be able to pull out the recyclable metal.

1894
01:41:28,165 --> 01:41:30,918
So I feel really confident with that.

1895
01:41:30,918 --> 01:41:33,212
Yes, we're on the shorter end, but we we believe

1896
01:41:33,212 --> 01:41:36,840
we've got a project that's viable to build and we would recommend moving forward.

1897
01:41:36,840 --> 01:41:39,593
And I understand you're recommending that, but I

1898
01:41:39,593 --> 01:41:42,304
we need to make sure we do our due diligence on our side.

1899
01:41:42,304 --> 01:41:44,304
So 428,000 and the

1900
01:41:45,808 --> 01:41:49,408
the project is it now 16-8?

1901
01:41:50,813 --> 01:41:52,813
18 something.

1902
01:41:56,680 --> 01:41:57,319
I'm looking at this.

1903
01:41:57,319 --> 01:41:58,862
What is this

1904
01:41:58,862 --> 01:42:01,862
the construction part of the-

1905
01:42:02,199 --> 01:42:04,785
Equipment versus a construction. This one.

1906
01:42:04,785 --> 01:42:05,577
So 18.

1907
01:42:05,577 --> 01:42:07,204
So what is that as a percentage?

1908
01:42:07,204 --> 01:42:09,604
What does that represent?

1909
01:42:18,173 --> 01:42:22,373
I mean we we're always presuming

1910
01:42:22,678 --> 01:42:28,517
that we're going to have a, a project that comes in on schedule.

1911
01:42:28,517 --> 01:42:31,186
But that's why we have contingencies.

1912
01:42:31,186 --> 01:42:33,210
And so,

1913
01:42:33,210 --> 01:42:35,858
if just because of the uniqueness of this project, I'm

1914
01:42:35,858 --> 01:42:40,445
just a little bit nervous about how skinny we are on the contingencies,

1915
01:42:40,445 --> 01:42:42,445
worst case scenario,

1916
01:42:43,730 --> 01:42:44,783
if we were ran a situation where

1917
01:42:44,783 --> 01:42:47,828
there was a need for additional funds that exceeded

1918
01:42:47,828 --> 01:42:51,957
the contingencies, I don't know that we've been in that situation before.

1919
01:42:51,957 --> 01:42:54,957
Then what do we do?

1920
01:42:55,669 --> 01:42:57,212
Well, I think in this project,

1921
01:42:57,212 --> 01:42:57,713
what what

1922
01:42:57,713 --> 01:43:01,466
we're really looking at is trying to limit the amount of debt service that we have,

1923
01:43:01,466 --> 01:43:05,846
that we apply to the tipping fee that's charged to users of the, resource

1924
01:43:05,846 --> 01:43:07,140
recovery system.

1925
01:43:07,140 --> 01:43:11,560
So what we would need to do if we should happen to come up to a,

1926
01:43:11,560 --> 01:43:15,814
a challenge that we have in the project that said we need more contingency

1927
01:43:15,814 --> 01:43:17,232
and we need more funding for it.

1928
01:43:17,232 --> 01:43:19,735
We would have to come back to council and talk through,

1929
01:43:19,735 --> 01:43:21,111
what does that do to our tipping fee?

1930
01:43:21,111 --> 01:43:22,905
And that's the ultimate user fee.

1931
01:43:22,905 --> 01:43:25,866
Now, what we could do is you can probably hold the first year

1932
01:43:25,866 --> 01:43:27,784
where it's at, but then what's going to happen

1933
01:43:27,784 --> 01:43:30,913
is the the fund balance in subsequent years would likely need to change.

1934
01:43:30,913 --> 01:43:34,166
Or we need to look at alternative funding sources.

1935
01:43:34,166 --> 01:43:35,792
Again, some of these grant programs that are out there

1936
01:43:35,792 --> 01:43:39,796
that we are looking into to see if there's additional ways to find that as well.

1937
01:43:39,796 --> 01:43:41,632
But that would be the decision we'd have to make is

1938
01:43:41,632 --> 01:43:44,635
is what we have to look at revenue abated bonds to do this again.

1939
01:43:44,635 --> 01:43:48,222
And something obviously where we're trying to limit what we're doing with that.

1940
01:43:48,222 --> 01:43:50,307
There's also savings we find in other projects.

1941
01:43:50,307 --> 01:43:52,809
They have a lot of other projects where we have it on the agenda,

1942
01:43:52,809 --> 01:43:58,106
like we were $700,000 short and we had to find savings to, to handle that project.

1943
01:43:58,106 --> 01:44:00,400
Right. I can’t remember

1944
01:44:00,400 --> 01:44:02,690
which was on the agenda where we were short.

1945
01:44:02,690 --> 01:44:07,991
We had to, oh, 13th and Grand. Pardon me? 13th and Grand.

1946
01:44:07,991 --> 01:44:09,991
Oh, yeah.

1947
01:44:10,535 --> 01:44:13,288
So we have come in under us,

1948
01:44:13,288 --> 01:44:16,291
some of the projects if remember the flat space project.

1949
01:44:16,291 --> 01:44:21,910
So just to find it from other places.

1950
01:44:21,296 --> 01:44:21,964
Okay. Thank you.

1951
01:44:21,964 --> 01:44:28,110
We look there first before we raise tipping fees. Any other questions?

1952
01:44:28,110 --> 01:44:29,137
Open public comments.

1953
01:44:29,137 --> 01:44:34,537
Anyone wants to address Council on this topic tonight?

1954
01:44:35,894 --> 01:44:36,103
All right.

1955
01:44:36,103 --> 01:44:39,103
I'll close public input.

1956
01:44:41,358 --> 01:44:42,734
If there's no further questions,

1957
01:44:42,734 --> 01:44:45,734
I will entertain a motion.

1958
01:44:46,613 --> 01:44:47,114
If Council

1959
01:44:47,114 --> 01:44:50,114
so approves, awarding item number

1960
01:44:50,701 --> 01:44:52,701
45 A through

1961
01:44:56,390 --> 01:44:58,390
P. So moved.

1962
01:44:58,792 --> 01:45:03,171
Second. So the council understands the, concrete contract has been replaced then.

1963
01:45:03,171 --> 01:45:09,520
And you notice it's like all bidders have been replaced in this vote.

1964
01:45:09,520 --> 01:45:10,220
Okay.

1965
01:45:10,220 --> 01:45:13,181
And that includes both the award of the contract as well as,

1966
01:45:13,181 --> 01:45:16,601
approving the change orders that require council input.

1967
01:45:16,601 --> 01:45:18,562
All right. Roll call, please.

1968
01:45:18,562 --> 01:45:22,162
Gartin? Aye. Betcher? Aye. Junck? Aye.

1969
01:45:23,250 --> 01:45:24,260
Corrieri? Aye.

1970
01:45:24,260 --> 01:45:26,260
Rollins? Aye.

1971
01:45:27,404 --> 01:45:31,400
Beatty-Hansen? Aye. Thank you, thank you.

1972
01:45:32,242 --> 01:45:32,409
All right.

1973
01:45:32,409 --> 01:45:32,868
we’ll move onto

1974
01:45:32,868 --> 01:45:36,330
number 46 hearing on zoning text amendment, creating a new zoning overlay

1975
01:45:36,330 --> 01:45:39,791
district west University pedestrian enhancement district.

1976
01:45:39,791 --> 01:45:42,791
Density marketing and design requirements

1977
01:45:42,878 --> 01:45:44,963
between Sheldon and Highland and Lincoln way

1978
01:45:44,963 --> 01:45:46,963
and Oakland.

1979
01:46:03,398 --> 01:46:05,901
All right, so almost a year ago,

1980
01:46:05,901 --> 01:46:09,571
you were approached with the idea of creating a new zoning district

1981
01:46:09,571 --> 01:46:13,617
for just west of campus, focused on the area around Highland.

1982
01:46:13,617 --> 01:46:16,703
So. So Chuck Winkleblack, representing the Hunziker companies, owns

1983
01:46:16,703 --> 01:46:20,665
two properties up here at the corner of Oakland

1984
01:46:20,665 --> 01:46:24,878
and Highland that they would like to redevelop with the project.

1985
01:46:24,878 --> 01:46:26,213
That that is not,

1986
01:46:26,213 --> 01:46:30,801
compliant with the current West University impact overlay zoning district.

1987
01:46:30,801 --> 01:46:35,180
So city Council reviewed that request and initiated

1988
01:46:35,180 --> 01:46:38,580
a zoning text amendment for this area just west of campus.

1989
01:46:38,580 --> 01:46:40,102
So it's a small town of of area.

1990
01:46:40,102 --> 01:46:45,816
It's less than two blocks west of campus to look at allowing for intensification.

1991
01:46:45,816 --> 01:46:49,778
In, in the in the effort to implement the comprehensive plan.

1992
01:46:49,778 --> 01:46:55,750
So in plan 2040, we designated this area as an RN4 neighborhood,

1993
01:46:55,750 --> 01:46:58,954
which is supposed to be a pedestrian oriented, walkable urban neighborhood

1994
01:46:58,954 --> 01:47:04,251
and way that is intended to work is to support intensification,

1995
01:47:04,251 --> 01:47:08,338
but also reinforce the public realm, the streets, the streetscapes

1996
01:47:08,338 --> 01:47:11,758
and the mobility options for walking and biking.

1997
01:47:11,758 --> 01:47:15,512
So this is a little bit in contrast to the current zoning that is out there.

1998
01:47:15,512 --> 01:47:18,598
So in 2006, the city had established

1999
01:47:18,598 --> 01:47:22,352
what what I just referred to as the West University Impact Area

2000
01:47:22,352 --> 01:47:27,149
in 2006, that impact overlay was created and it goes further west.

2001
01:47:27,149 --> 01:47:31,690
It goes past Campus Avenue and extends just past Campus Avenue.

2002
01:47:31,690 --> 01:47:35,574
The purpose of that district was to have a little bit of design requirements.

2003
01:47:35,574 --> 01:47:39,244
Some focus on use of high quality of materials, primarily brick.

2004
01:47:39,244 --> 01:47:43,498
And then it had an extra, enhanced parking requirement.

2005
01:47:43,498 --> 01:47:47,586
And the reason for that was even though it's in a walkable area,

2006
01:47:47,586 --> 01:47:51,465
there was concerns about overall occupancy of apartments and,

2007
01:47:51,465 --> 01:47:53,842
potentially infiltration into the neighborhood of,

2008
01:47:53,842 --> 01:47:57,804
of parking issues and just, just a number of issues that can happen.

2009
01:47:57,804 --> 01:48:01,570
Well, since that time, a couple of different projects have been built.

2010
01:48:01,570 --> 01:48:04,311
But as you look at intensifying and you as you recognize

2011
01:48:04,311 --> 01:48:07,314
that the university is a very walkable destination for here,

2012
01:48:07,314 --> 01:48:11,485
and this is a student oriented apartment area, RN4 fits

2013
01:48:11,485 --> 01:48:14,529
that idea that we want to support walkable areas

2014
01:48:14,529 --> 01:48:19,284
and to is support redevelopment that fits that that context and purpose.

2015
01:48:19,284 --> 01:48:23,371
So as we've gone through this process, I think we've had two goals

2016
01:48:23,371 --> 01:48:25,499
as the city, the developer has their own goals

2017
01:48:25,499 --> 01:48:28,919
for redevelopment of the project, but as a text amendment, the city is trying to

2018
01:48:28,919 --> 01:48:32,881
establish a balance here of supporting redevelopment

2019
01:48:32,881 --> 01:48:36,593
without kind of overwhelming the general area, with a lot of change

2020
01:48:36,593 --> 01:48:40,388
and potentially with impacts to the neighborhood, but then reinforcing

2021
01:48:40,388 --> 01:48:43,600
that context sensitive design both architecturally

2022
01:48:43,600 --> 01:48:46,770
and through site design, as well as through the public street

2023
01:48:46,770 --> 01:48:50,148
improvements and sidewalk improvements that are planned for the area.

2024
01:48:50,148 --> 01:48:52,943
So to try to accomplish that, it's important.

2025
01:48:52,943 --> 01:48:58,730
With this overlay, we are not zoning all of the yellow area at one time.

2026
01:48:58,730 --> 01:48:59,115
That's a little bit different.

2027
01:48:59,115 --> 01:49:02,953
What we're creating is a tool tonight that can be applied on a case

2028
01:49:02,953 --> 01:49:07,400
by case basis, that is subject to an actual project approval.

2029
01:49:07,400 --> 01:49:09,292
So every project that wants to take advantage

2030
01:49:09,292 --> 01:49:13,630
of the elements of this text amendment must come before the City council

2031
01:49:13,630 --> 01:49:17,384
for project approval and a rezoning action at that that point in time.

2032
01:49:17,384 --> 01:49:21,304
So that's a good check in the system to make sure there's public awareness

2033
01:49:21,304 --> 01:49:22,430
of what's happening.

2034
01:49:22,430 --> 01:49:22,973
And we'll see

2035
01:49:22,973 --> 01:49:26,810
the evolution of the neighborhood as it occurs rather than rezoning it.

2036
01:49:26,810 --> 01:49:28,770
At one time, walking away and then ten years

2037
01:49:28,770 --> 01:49:30,981
later, go, oh, I didn't know that was going to happen.

2038
01:49:30,981 --> 01:49:33,233
We'll be able to review this as it goes on.

2039
01:49:33,233 --> 01:49:36,403
Now, what's what's important in this overlay

2040
01:49:36,403 --> 01:49:39,990
is a couple of things that really support the developer's goals.

2041
01:49:39,990 --> 01:49:44,286
The intensity of the sites are going to be allowed to increase.

2042
01:49:44,286 --> 01:49:47,664
The provisions of this ordinance are different than other zoning districts

2043
01:49:47,664 --> 01:49:48,248
in the city.

2044
01:49:48,248 --> 01:49:53,300
We're typically measuring intensity on the number of units on a property,

2045
01:49:53,300 --> 01:49:55,797
and that's how RH residential high density works is.

2046
01:49:55,797 --> 01:50:02,120
You have a limit on the number of units per acre.

2047
01:50:02,120 --> 01:50:04,764
Tonight what we're doing is to facilitate

2048
01:50:04,764 --> 01:50:10,353
smaller units, meaning one and two bedroom and studio apartments.

2049
01:50:10,353 --> 01:50:13,640
We're measuring our intensity off of bedrooms

2050
01:50:13,640 --> 01:50:14,441
because everywhere else in the city,

2051
01:50:14,441 --> 01:50:18,194
one unit, whether it's one bedroom or five bedrooms, is considered the same.

2052
01:50:18,194 --> 01:50:22,240
So in this case, we're trying to facilitate a higher number of units,

2053
01:50:22,240 --> 01:50:25,910
but not necessarily a substantial additional amount of bedrooms.

2054
01:50:25,910 --> 01:50:27,746
So the density standard is changing here

2055
01:50:27,746 --> 01:50:30,790
to reflect smaller units rather than larger units.

2056
01:50:30,790 --> 01:50:31,916
And then the second

2057
01:50:31,916 --> 01:50:35,670
probably most important element of this is you are reducing parking.

2058
01:50:35,670 --> 01:50:39,174
So not only does the is the parking reduced

2059
01:50:39,174 --> 01:50:43,762
from the West University impact overlay, which has a 25%,

2060
01:50:43,762 --> 01:50:47,307
kind of penalty or extra requirement, you're reducing it

2061
01:50:47,307 --> 01:50:50,852
below the normal standard that is applied across the city.

2062
01:50:50,852 --> 01:50:54,564
So one and two bedroom units will be able to drop to one space

2063
01:50:54,564 --> 01:50:57,734
per unit rather than one space per bedroom.

2064
01:50:57,734 --> 01:51:02,280
And then again, that is to facilitate the idea that we're in a walkable area,

2065
01:51:02,280 --> 01:51:05,492
fits the notion within the planning, world that

2066
01:51:05,492 --> 01:51:09,790
if you don't build the parking, the car can't really be there.

2067
01:51:09,790 --> 01:51:13,124
So you're limiting your parking problems by not creating places for cars to go

2068
01:51:13,124 --> 01:51:15,210
when you have a very walkable destination

2069
01:51:15,210 --> 01:51:17,870
that doesn't work across the city, probably.

2070
01:51:17,870 --> 01:51:21,700
But in this case, we we believe it does fit the comp plan vision.

2071
01:51:21,700 --> 01:51:25,530
And it practically could work, because of its proximity to campus.

2072
01:51:25,530 --> 01:51:30,100
So then to not lose the positive elements of the West University impact area

2073
01:51:30,100 --> 01:51:33,895
based on site design and architectural requirements,

2074
01:51:33,895 --> 01:51:38,817
the overlay does bring forward certain, brick material requirements.

2075
01:51:38,817 --> 01:51:43,697
It tries to articulate expectations to keep parking away from the street.

2076
01:51:43,697 --> 01:51:47,951
We want to reinforce the street level with residential units.

2077
01:51:47,951 --> 01:51:50,995
I think the worst thing that we could do is to pursue density

2078
01:51:50,995 --> 01:51:54,958
and just build a podium for parking at the ground level and units above

2079
01:51:54,958 --> 01:51:58,336
that doesn't realize our vision for how a street can be activated

2080
01:51:58,336 --> 01:52:01,548
and engaged with, with, with, living units and people.

2081
01:52:01,548 --> 01:52:05,218
So the design requirements do say we do not want essentially

2082
01:52:05,218 --> 01:52:07,110
parking garages at the street.

2083
01:52:07,110 --> 01:52:08,680
They must be behind the structure

2084
01:52:08,680 --> 01:52:10,890
embedded in the structure or something along those lines.

2085
01:52:10,890 --> 01:52:14,728
So we're focusing the residential units outward and at the at the ground

2086
01:52:14,728 --> 01:52:15,562
level of the site.

2087
01:52:15,562 --> 01:52:19,232
So overall we have a pretty comprehensive overlay.

2088
01:52:19,232 --> 01:52:21,250
There is a lot in here.

2089
01:52:21,250 --> 01:52:22,680
We're trying to balance again

2090
01:52:22,680 --> 01:52:26,300
the design elements with the goals of the developer to intensify.

2091
01:52:26,300 --> 01:52:28,950
We are keeping the height limit the same.

2092
01:52:28,950 --> 01:52:31,494
So the four story height limit will continue forward.

2093
01:52:31,494 --> 01:52:33,747
So there's not an option here to go to

2094
01:52:33,747 --> 01:52:35,248
like large towers.

2095
01:52:35,248 --> 01:52:38,918
RH would normally allow for much taller buildings than four stories.

2096
01:52:38,918 --> 01:52:42,672
But the West University impact overlay had capped that at four.

2097
01:52:42,672 --> 01:52:47,100
We think that's an appropriate scale for what we're talking about in this area.

2098
01:52:47,100 --> 01:52:51,550
So overall I think we've, we've we as staff have tried to balance this.

2099
01:52:51,550 --> 01:52:54,350
The Planning and Zoning Commission spent a fair amount of time discussing it.

2100
01:52:54,350 --> 01:52:57,687
I think we spent quite a bit of time talking about parking,

2101
01:52:57,687 --> 01:52:59,481
the issue of parking.

2102
01:52:59,481 --> 01:53:02,901
We did some surveys of the area to try to analyze.

2103
01:53:02,901 --> 01:53:04,694
Was parking really being utilized?

2104
01:53:04,694 --> 01:53:06,654
That's all included in the addendum.

2105
01:53:06,654 --> 01:53:10,700
Staff believed based on usage, you can justify the parking reduction

2106
01:53:10,700 --> 01:53:12,619
from what we've seen.

2107
01:53:12,619 --> 01:53:15,580
The commission ultimately recommended approval of this

2108
01:53:15,580 --> 01:53:18,583
within the within the scope of how we had described it,

2109
01:53:18,583 --> 01:53:21,200
for the parking reductions and the design elements.

2110
01:53:21,200 --> 01:53:24,547
Since that time, staff has refined the design configuration

2111
01:53:24,547 --> 01:53:27,759
requirements, of the ordinance that you're being presented tonight.

2112
01:53:27,759 --> 01:53:30,345
But the parking, the density, the height, all of those basic

2113
01:53:30,345 --> 01:53:33,473
things are still the same as what the Planning Commission saw.

2114
01:53:33,473 --> 01:53:36,601
So technically, we have an applicant for this project, and,

2115
01:53:36,601 --> 01:53:40,522
the city staff is supporting the text amendment, as proposed.

2116
01:53:40,522 --> 01:53:45,151
And I and I believe the applicant also is in support of the, the text amendment.

2117
01:53:45,151 --> 01:53:45,652
Thanks, Kelly.

2118
01:53:45,652 --> 01:53:47,652
Questions?

2119
01:53:48,238 --> 01:53:49,405
Kelly,

2120
01:53:49,405 --> 01:53:54,828
this is not a super huge area of the community, but I am curious,

2121
01:53:54,828 --> 01:53:59,165
have you evaluated the properties in this space

2122
01:53:59,165 --> 01:54:04,796
with an eye to which how many of these how many of these properties,

2123
01:54:04,796 --> 01:54:06,297
might,

2124
01:54:06,297 --> 01:54:08,258
pursue redevelopment if we do this?

2125
01:54:08,258 --> 01:54:11,511
In other words, we've got one project.

2126
01:54:11,511 --> 01:54:16,641
But we're doing a much larger area in probably anticipation of others,

2127
01:54:16,641 --> 01:54:21,896
any any sense of how many other properties might, take advantage of this.

2128
01:54:21,896 --> 01:54:22,105
Yeah.

2129
01:54:22,105 --> 01:54:25,567
So one key aspect of this was that

2130
01:54:25,567 --> 01:54:29,153
you can't take advantage of the benefits of the density allowances

2131
01:54:29,153 --> 01:54:32,365
and the reduced parking unless you're building a new project.

2132
01:54:32,365 --> 01:54:34,242
So I did look at look at that question.

2133
01:54:34,242 --> 01:54:36,661
So I think in the report we talked about,

2134
01:54:36,661 --> 01:54:40,415
a handful of sites that we think are either currently vacant or probably

2135
01:54:40,415 --> 01:54:44,335
aging out, much like the Highland site the developer is looking at.

2136
01:54:44,335 --> 01:54:45,503
They're not vacant, it's

2137
01:54:45,503 --> 01:54:48,965
just the properties of aged out to a point where redevelopment is a

2138
01:54:48,965 --> 01:54:52,844
is a viable economic choice versus continuing with what they have.

2139
01:54:52,844 --> 01:54:55,972
So we thought there was only a handful of properties in this total area

2140
01:54:55,972 --> 01:54:59,100
because a lot of it has been redeveloped in the last 25 years,

2141
01:54:59,100 --> 01:55:01,227
so it's not a ton of units.

2142
01:55:01,227 --> 01:55:03,620
I don't have the number off the top of my head,

2143
01:55:03,620 --> 01:55:07,317
but we did put an estimate into the council action form for that.

2144
01:55:07,317 --> 01:55:09,944
I can find that as as we go through the meeting if you want.

2145
01:55:09,944 --> 01:55:12,944
Okay. Thank you. Other questions?

2146
01:55:14,699 --> 01:55:15,241
All right.

2147
01:55:15,241 --> 01:55:15,783
A public hearing of this

2148
01:55:15,783 --> 01:55:20,872
item to be open if anyone wants to address council on this topic tonight?

2149
01:55:20,872 --> 01:55:22,872
Chuck?

2150
01:55:28,379 --> 01:55:29,130
Good evening again.

2151
01:55:29,130 --> 01:55:31,130
Council.

2152
01:55:31,257 --> 01:55:35,261
Again we've- Kelly and Amelia and I have gone back and forth with this,

2153
01:55:35,261 --> 01:55:39,140
trying to make what we feel like is a good compromise.

2154
01:55:39,140 --> 01:55:42,602
And what we need to make the project be viable.

2155
01:55:42,602 --> 01:55:47,982
And again, it if you see, it's the it's not really shown on here,

2156
01:55:47,982 --> 01:55:51,653
but I mean, we are literally, a stone's throw from the university.

2157
01:55:51,653 --> 01:55:55,573
And so as we've been through other places in our,

2158
01:55:55,573 --> 01:55:58,576
city to city visits and stuff, this is where intensification

2159
01:55:58,576 --> 01:56:00,203
should happen in our belief.

2160
01:56:00,203 --> 01:56:04,832
And we think the eye towards the smaller units,

2161
01:56:04,832 --> 01:56:05,792
also makes sense.

2162
01:56:05,792 --> 01:56:09,629
And here seem to be less problems for, everyone.

2163
01:56:09,629 --> 01:56:13,424
And then also it's consistent, like Kelly said, with the RN4 zoning

2164
01:56:13,424 --> 01:56:15,718
that's proposed in your 2040 plan.

2165
01:56:15,718 --> 01:56:19,130
So again, want to thank staff for their work in getting us

2166
01:56:19,130 --> 01:56:22,141
to this point tonight and happy to answer any questions.

2167
01:56:22,141 --> 01:56:25,436
Last thing comment I would make is when we looked at that, you know,

2168
01:56:25,436 --> 01:56:27,605
the site that we have,

2169
01:56:27,605 --> 01:56:30,441
is like three quarters of an acre.

2170
01:56:30,441 --> 01:56:34,654
And to think that we could get the amount of units that we could on a site

2171
01:56:34,654 --> 01:56:38,408
that is 40ft from the top to the bottom, if you've been out

2172
01:56:38,408 --> 01:56:41,160
there has just been real challenging for all of us.

2173
01:56:41,160 --> 01:56:43,871
But this is the kind of intensification.

2174
01:56:43,871 --> 01:56:47,834
There are no new city utilities will be needed, for this,

2175
01:56:47,834 --> 01:56:51,379
which I think is important when we talk about sprawl versus infill.

2176
01:56:51,379 --> 01:56:53,600
This is a great infill project.

2177
01:56:53,600 --> 01:56:57,510
And I think and as I just recall from Kelly's

2178
01:56:57,510 --> 01:57:00,221
and our discussion about before, there was like 7 or 8, I think

2179
01:57:00,221 --> 01:57:03,808
less than ten other potential sites that,

2180
01:57:03,808 --> 01:57:07,103
I think would possibly fall under this,

2181
01:57:07,103 --> 01:57:07,770
in the future.

2182
01:57:07,770 --> 01:57:11,733
But I think Kelly's approach it by taking them one at a time doesn't

2183
01:57:11,733 --> 01:57:13,192
paint everything with broad brush,

2184
01:57:13,192 --> 01:57:16,863
and we feel like we've been working towards a common goal here.

2185
01:57:16,863 --> 01:57:18,740
Thank you, thank you.

2186
01:57:18,740 --> 01:57:21,740
Anybody else want address? Council.

2187
01:57:24,620 --> 01:57:24,871
All right.

2188
01:57:24,871 --> 01:57:26,414
I'll close public hearing.

2189
01:57:26,414 --> 01:57:28,624
Entertain a motion on first reading of ordinance.

2190
01:57:28,624 --> 01:57:32,450
Just just a just to put a bow on that question.

2191
01:57:32,450 --> 01:57:35,339
There was, 36 properties in that yellow boundary.

2192
01:57:35,339 --> 01:57:39,761
We believe that maybe ten are candidates for taking advantage of this,

2193
01:57:39,761 --> 01:57:43,514
which would be three out of the 16 acres in the neighborhood.

2194
01:57:43,514 --> 01:57:47,180
So roughly 15 to 20% of the land area

2195
01:57:47,180 --> 01:57:51,647
might reasonably take advantage of this within the next ten years.

2196
01:57:51,647 --> 01:57:52,231
Thank you.

2197
01:57:52,231 --> 01:57:53,240
All right.

2198
01:57:53,240 --> 01:57:55,693
So is there a motion? Move on first.

2199
01:57:55,693 --> 01:57:56,903
Second? I'll second.

2200
01:57:56,903 --> 01:57:57,361
Thank you.

2201
01:57:57,361 --> 01:58:00,961
Roll call. Betcher? Aye. Junck? Aye.

2202
01:58:01,616 --> 01:58:02,742
Corrieri? Aye.

2203
01:58:02,742 --> 01:58:04,742
Rollins? Aye.

2204
01:58:05,995 --> 01:58:06,287
Beatty-

2205
01:58:06,287 --> 01:58:08,687
Hansen? Aye. Thank you.

2206
01:58:09,999 --> 01:58:10,541
All right.

2207
01:58:10,541 --> 01:58:11,667
We’ll move onto item 47,

2208
01:58:11,667 --> 01:58:14,300
and after this will take a short break.

2209
01:58:14,300 --> 01:58:17,131
This is the hearing on rezoning and master plan amendment

2210
01:58:17,131 --> 01:58:19,131
for 4605 and 4510

2211
01:58:20,134 --> 01:58:26,134
Hyde and adjacent properties to the north Auburn Trail development.

2212
01:58:30,228 --> 01:58:30,603
All right.

2213
01:58:30,603 --> 01:58:34,816
So so for Auburn Trail, as we mentioned earlier, this this site has been subject

2214
01:58:34,816 --> 01:58:38,277
of a number of meetings in terms of zoning and annexation actions.

2215
01:58:38,277 --> 01:58:43,320
It's been, four plus years since the last time we looked at this for rezoning.

2216
01:58:43,320 --> 01:58:46,369
So the site has been zoned to FSRL,

2217
01:58:46,369 --> 01:58:50,998
which is our single family zoning district for the expansion areas of the city.

2218
01:58:50,998 --> 01:58:53,501
And at that time, we had approved

2219
01:58:53,501 --> 01:58:56,587
a master plan for the layout of the site

2220
01:58:56,587 --> 01:59:00,341
based on the old conservation subdivision ordinance.

2221
01:59:00,341 --> 01:59:02,930
I'm trying to get that to come up.

2222
01:59:02,930 --> 01:59:04,929
So what is asked tonight

2223
01:59:04,929 --> 01:59:08,558
is to really not change the overall development potential

2224
01:59:08,558 --> 01:59:12,436
of the site, but the master plan affects that configuration of the site.

2225
01:59:12,436 --> 01:59:14,188
So with this original master plan,

2226
01:59:14,188 --> 01:59:18,818
you can see there's a lot of green spaces set aside, for different types of flowage

2227
01:59:18,818 --> 01:59:23,406
areas and for conveyance of water and different types of set asides.

2228
01:59:23,406 --> 01:59:27,201
With the rezoning, there's there's two advantages to the developer

2229
01:59:27,201 --> 01:59:30,621
that are the product of the conservation ordinance changes.

2230
01:59:30,621 --> 01:59:34,959
We don't require mandatory green space set asides.

2231
01:59:34,959 --> 01:59:39,422
We're focused on the functional stormwater treatment attributes of the site.

2232
01:59:39,422 --> 01:59:42,717
So that means you don't have to create fingers of green space

2233
01:59:42,717 --> 01:59:46,120
just for the sake of having open space next to houses.

2234
01:59:46,120 --> 01:59:47,680
So in the new master plan.

2235
01:59:47,680 --> 01:59:49,765
So this is the old master plan.

2236
01:59:49,765 --> 01:59:52,310
It's still had a spine road going through

2237
01:59:52,310 --> 01:59:56,220
this direction and connections to the neighborhood on the south.

2238
01:59:56,220 --> 01:59:59,622
But with the new master plan.

2239
02:00:01,569 --> 02:00:05,769
You're getting less internal green space

2240
02:00:06,320 --> 02:00:08,993
because of the changes in the ordinance, but the total development

2241
02:00:08,993 --> 02:00:11,871
potential of houses, will be the same.

2242
02:00:11,871 --> 02:00:15,208
So what you see is here is a more consolidated orange area

2243
02:00:15,208 --> 02:00:16,125
where housing can go.

2244
02:00:16,125 --> 02:00:21,130
You just don't see as many green areas set aside, for conservation purposes.

2245
02:00:21,130 --> 02:00:24,550
The other thing that the developer is able to benefit from was the annexation

2246
02:00:24,550 --> 02:00:25,885
we did last year.

2247
02:00:25,885 --> 02:00:30,681
We had to leave these strips of land on the north side of the property,

2248
02:00:30,681 --> 02:00:34,685
out of the out of the annexation to meet state law for annexation purposes.

2249
02:00:34,685 --> 02:00:37,647
That's been brought in now so that can be developed,

2250
02:00:37,647 --> 02:00:39,941
to finish out some lots that were projected in that area.

2251
02:00:39,941 --> 02:00:41,359
So overall,

2252
02:00:41,359 --> 02:00:45,321
the overall density is is pretty much in line with the last master plan.

2253
02:00:45,321 --> 02:00:46,906
There's no increase in density.

2254
02:00:46,906 --> 02:00:50,534
I think developer is realizing, benefit in the amount of units

2255
02:00:50,534 --> 02:00:53,790
they're actually going to get compared to that range.

2256
02:00:53,790 --> 02:00:55,998
The proposal is for single family dwellings, across

2257
02:00:55,998 --> 02:00:59,430
this, across this orange area of this master plan.

2258
02:00:59,430 --> 02:01:02,400
So if this is approved tonight, the next step,

2259
02:01:02,400 --> 02:01:03,756
because this doesn't really show a lot layouts,

2260
02:01:03,756 --> 02:01:06,300
it doesn't show the grading plan, any of that information.

2261
02:01:06,300 --> 02:01:09,512
The next step in the process will be a preliminary plat.

2262
02:01:09,512 --> 02:01:11,597
And at that point, you'll have a full stormwater

2263
02:01:11,597 --> 02:01:14,580
management plan, you'll have the complete street layouts,

2264
02:01:14,580 --> 02:01:17,478
and you'll have the grading plan and the layouts for everything,

2265
02:01:17,478 --> 02:01:20,231
in on both sides of the street.

2266
02:01:20,231 --> 02:01:23,901
So is there any questions about the rezoning or the master plan changes?

2267
02:01:23,901 --> 02:01:24,260
Yeah.

2268
02:01:24,260 --> 02:01:28,322
Could you just explain exactly what how this is zoned now

2269
02:01:28,322 --> 02:01:31,826
and what's been changed and what's going to be allowed.

2270
02:01:31,826 --> 02:01:32,340
Yeah.

2271
02:01:32,340 --> 02:01:36,205
So it's zoned FSRL which right now it is it already is zoned FSRL

2272
02:01:36,205 --> 02:01:37,581
which is our use- allows what?

2273
02:01:37,581 --> 02:01:42,628
Single family homes so attached or detached single family homes only.

2274
02:01:42,628 --> 02:01:43,671
In this

2275
02:01:43,671 --> 02:01:48,175
proposal the the range of units that are allowed is not changing.

2276
02:01:48,175 --> 02:01:51,950
I think it's a maximum of 190.

2277
02:01:51,950 --> 02:01:54,890
What is changing is internally how those those lots can be configured.

2278
02:01:54,890 --> 02:01:58,728
So that's this orange or brown area that you see on the screen.

2279
02:01:58,728 --> 02:02:03,240
It is it'll it is not cut up by open spaces.

2280
02:02:03,240 --> 02:02:05,670
It allows more uniformity and efficiency

2281
02:02:05,670 --> 02:02:08,946
for the developer to realize those single family home lots.

2282
02:02:08,946 --> 02:02:11,907
Otherwise there is no change to the access points.

2283
02:02:11,907 --> 02:02:14,577
The plan for the spine road to go through the site

2284
02:02:14,577 --> 02:02:19,123
to have a detention facility in the southeast area of the development,

2285
02:02:19,123 --> 02:02:22,793
there's no change or there's there's some alteration of the course of the water

2286
02:02:22,793 --> 02:02:25,171
through the site, but there's still that main,

2287
02:02:25,171 --> 02:02:28,132
stormwater treatment area through the center of the site.

2288
02:02:28,132 --> 02:02:30,801
So it does not change the total units on the site.

2289
02:02:30,801 --> 02:02:34,960
It really just changes how they're internally configured.

2290
02:02:34,960 --> 02:02:35,890
Why is it listed as a rezoning

2291
02:02:35,890 --> 02:02:37,160
if nothing’s changing?

2292
02:02:37,160 --> 02:02:40,770
So by our by our rules, if you alter the master plan,

2293
02:02:40,770 --> 02:02:45,775
which is approved with rezoning, it's a rezoning to change the master planning,

2294
02:02:45,775 --> 02:02:49,320
even though the the letters of the zoning aren't changing.

2295
02:02:49,320 --> 02:02:53,491
And then could you just explain what's going on on the east side

2296
02:02:53,491 --> 02:02:57,910
in that lower right hand corner?

2297
02:02:57,953 --> 02:02:59,953
I'm sorry.

2298
02:03:00,539 --> 02:03:02,539
I mean,

2299
02:03:02,875 --> 02:03:05,860
on the east side is,

2300
02:03:05,860 --> 02:03:08,500
east side of height on there on that there's.

2301
02:03:08,500 --> 02:03:10,966
It was primarily green with a little tan there.

2302
02:03:10,966 --> 02:03:12,966
Sorry, sorry. One,

2303
02:03:14,110 --> 02:03:17,848
one additional flag lot is proposed in that orange area.

2304
02:03:17,848 --> 02:03:20,851
The other area is just stormwater detention and open space.

2305
02:03:20,851 --> 02:03:22,770
So there's no development over there.

2306
02:03:22,770 --> 02:03:25,189
It's just primarily going to be left as green space.

2307
02:03:25,189 --> 02:03:27,400
Is that right? Or for stormwater to enter?

2308
02:03:27,400 --> 02:03:28,901
I wouldn't say it's left as green space.

2309
02:03:28,901 --> 02:03:32,154
It's going to be created into a detention pond.

2310
02:03:32,154 --> 02:03:32,571
Okay.

2311
02:03:32,571 --> 02:03:34,310
To serve this subdivision,

2312
02:03:34,310 --> 02:03:35,825
there's a main detention pond on the west side,

2313
02:03:35,825 --> 02:03:38,369
and then it's going to be conveyed over to the east side,

2314
02:03:38,369 --> 02:03:40,955
go through that facility, then release into the drainage way

2315
02:03:40,955 --> 02:03:42,957
that's on the on the boundary of that property

2316
02:03:42,957 --> 02:03:46,460
on the south side, which then flows into Ada Hayden.

2317
02:03:46,460 --> 02:03:46,669
Bronwyn,

2318
02:03:46,669 --> 02:03:49,588
did you have a question? I interrupted you when you were gonna ask something.

2319
02:03:49,588 --> 02:03:50,881
No, I think you're good.

2320
02:03:50,881 --> 02:03:53,676
I, I think Kelly answered it actually.

2321
02:03:53,676 --> 02:03:54,593
Okay.

2322
02:03:54,593 --> 02:03:56,593
Other questions.

2323
02:03:57,638 --> 02:03:57,972
All right.

2324
02:03:57,972 --> 02:04:00,224
I declare the public hearing on this item to be open.

2325
02:04:00,224 --> 02:04:04,937
Anyone who wants to talk to council about this are welcome to do so.

2326
02:04:04,937 --> 02:04:06,814
If you're interested in talking or make a comment,

2327
02:04:06,814 --> 02:04:09,214
you certainly can now.

2328
02:04:11,277 --> 02:04:13,277
Chuck, anything?

2329
02:04:13,779 --> 02:04:16,730
If you have questions, you've heard me enough.

2330
02:04:16,730 --> 02:04:18,730
Okay.

2331
02:04:18,492 --> 02:04:18,826
All right.

2332
02:04:18,826 --> 02:04:23,497
And declare the public hearing on this item to be closed.

2333
02:04:23,497 --> 02:04:25,897
Is there a motion

2334
02:04:25,916 --> 02:04:30,379
the council wishes to make on this, rezoning and master plan amendment?

2335
02:04:30,379 --> 02:04:32,756
Move alternative one, very exciting. Second.

2336
02:04:32,756 --> 02:04:33,174
Okay.

2337
02:04:33,174 --> 02:04:36,343
Moved and seconded those in favor of the motion?

2338
02:04:36,343 --> 02:04:38,343
Aye.

2339
02:04:39,263 --> 02:04:41,263
Any opposed?

2340
02:04:41,432 --> 02:04:43,225
Motion carried.

2341
02:04:43,225 --> 02:04:45,225
All right.

2342
02:04:47,146 --> 02:04:48,314
Just double checking.

2343
02:04:48,314 --> 02:04:50,191
I, I didn't see this as a resolution.

2344
02:04:50,191 --> 02:04:51,567
Is that correct, Carly?

2345
02:04:51,567 --> 02:04:54,987
It should be a first reading of an ordinance,

2346
02:04:54,987 --> 02:04:59,366
and then we'll eventually have a third reading with a resolution to approve it.

2347
02:04:59,366 --> 02:05:01,577
Okay. Let's just let's just read.

2348
02:05:01,577 --> 02:05:02,360
Just read. Yeah.

2349
02:05:02,360 --> 02:05:02,912
Just do a roll call.

2350
02:05:02,912 --> 02:05:04,663
Just be safe, okay?

2351
02:05:04,663 --> 02:05:06,663
Junck? Aye.

2352
02:05:07,416 --> 02:05:09,816
Corrieri? Aye. Rollins? Aye.

2353
02:05:11,128 --> 02:05:13,528
Beatty-Hansen? Aye. Gartin? Aye.

2354
02:05:13,672 --> 02:05:18,385
Betcher? Aye. All right, let's take a five minute break

2355
02:05:18,385 --> 02:05:21,385
and reconvene at, 20 of nine.

2356
02:05:34,860 --> 02:05:35,361
All right.

2357
02:05:35,361 --> 02:05:39,949
We will proceed now with, next item on the agenda number 48.

2358
02:05:39,949 --> 02:05:43,577
Hearing and notice of intent to issue essential corporate bonds.

2359
02:05:43,577 --> 02:05:44,537
Corey. Yeah.

2360
02:05:44,537 --> 02:05:45,454
Thank you.

2361
02:05:45,454 --> 02:05:49,410
As you may know, we had, some bond issuances included in our

2362
02:05:49,410 --> 02:05:51,410
FY 26-27 budget.

2363
02:05:51,460 --> 02:05:53,860
It was about $16.3 million,

2364
02:05:54,338 --> 02:05:58,800
for the purposes of street improvements and airport improvements,

2365
02:05:58,800 --> 02:06:02,137
in order for us to utilize the debt service levy, in the upcoming year,

2366
02:06:02,137 --> 02:06:04,181
we're required to hold the authorization

2367
02:06:04,181 --> 02:06:08,600
and then also authorize about $1.8 million in debt service.

2368
02:06:08,600 --> 02:06:12,481
And so really that this process facilitates, approval of those,

2369
02:06:12,481 --> 02:06:14,881
that bond issuance and,

2370
02:06:15,109 --> 02:06:19,196
and also the debt service levy that we intend to utilize. So,

2371
02:06:19,196 --> 02:06:22,283
again, all of this information was included in the budget session and

2372
02:06:22,283 --> 02:06:26,620
is included in the, in the proposed budget that we discussed tonight,

2373
02:06:26,620 --> 02:06:29,200
related to property tax.

2374
02:06:29,665 --> 02:06:30,820
Thank you.

2375
02:06:30,820 --> 02:06:32,820
Questions.

2376
02:06:33,586 --> 02:06:33,961
All right.

2377
02:06:33,961 --> 02:06:37,600
Declare the public hearing on the, notice of intent

2378
02:06:37,600 --> 02:06:41,206
to issue $17.375 million and essential corporate purpose

2379
02:06:41,844 --> 02:06:46,807
general obligation bonds and associated tax levy, levy and debt purposes.

2380
02:06:46,807 --> 02:06:51,607
Anyone want to address council on this item.

2381
02:06:51,729 --> 02:06:54,189
Seeing and hearing none we’ll declare a public hearing to be closed

2382
02:06:54,189 --> 02:06:57,693
and entertain a motion on a resolution taking additional action.

2383
02:06:57,693 --> 02:07:02,114
Proposal to enter into essential purpose loan agreement combining one agreements

2384
02:07:02,114 --> 02:07:06,535
and providing for levy of text to pay general obligation

2385
02:07:06,535 --> 02:07:07,161
corporate purpose

2386
02:07:07,161 --> 02:07:10,161
bond series 2026A. So move

2387
02:07:10,831 --> 02:07:12,831
alternative 1. Second.

2388
02:07:12,833 --> 02:07:13,334
Thank you.

2389
02:07:13,334 --> 02:07:16,934
Roll call. Corrieri? Aye. Rollins? Aye.

2390
02:07:17,546 --> 02:07:19,131
Beatty-Hansen? Aye.

2391
02:07:19,131 --> 02:07:22,731
Gartin? Aye. Betcher? Aye. Junck? Aye.

2392
02:07:23,135 --> 02:07:24,803
Thank you thank you.

2393
02:07:24,803 --> 02:07:27,973
We'll move on to item number 49 hearing on sanitary sewer manhole

2394
02:07:27,973 --> 02:07:29,973
rehabilitation basin 11 project.

2395
02:07:31,600 --> 02:07:35,260
Any questions for Justin on this project?

2396
02:07:37,691 --> 02:07:39,360
Declare a public hearing on the sanitary

2397
02:07:39,360 --> 02:07:43,280
sewer manhole rehab project based on number 11 to be open.

2398
02:07:43,280 --> 02:07:48,680
Is there anyone wants address council on this topic?

2399
02:07:49,620 --> 02:07:51,380
Declare a public hearing to be closed.

2400
02:07:51,380 --> 02:07:52,289
Entertain motion resolution,

2401
02:07:52,289 --> 02:07:55,334
taking additional action for authorization of a loan

2402
02:07:55,334 --> 02:07:59,296
and district disbursement agreement and the issuance of sewer revenue bonds.

2403
02:07:59,296 --> 02:08:02,549
SRF loan not to exceed $2.1 million.

2404
02:08:02,549 --> 02:08:03,384
So moved.

2405
02:08:03,384 --> 02:08:05,384
Second. Roll call.

2406
02:08:05,844 --> 02:08:07,844
Rollins. Aye.

2407
02:08:08,180 --> 02:08:09,890
Beatty- Hansen? Aye.

2408
02:08:09,890 --> 02:08:12,851
Gartin? Aye. Betcher? Aye. Junck? Aye.

2409
02:08:12,851 --> 02:08:14,269
Corrieri? Aye.

2410
02:08:14,269 --> 02:08:17,147
And entertain a motion and resolution approving final plan

2411
02:08:17,147 --> 02:08:21,485
specifications and awarding a contract to Municipal Pipe Tool Company,

2412
02:08:21,485 --> 02:08:26,285
LLC of Hudson, Iowa, in the amount of $1,616,102.90.

2413
02:08:29,326 --> 02:08:32,287
So moved. Second. Roll call

2414
02:08:32,287 --> 02:08:33,997
Beatty-Hansen? Aye.

2415
02:08:33,997 --> 02:08:37,459
Gartin? Aye. Betcher? Aye. Junck? Aye.

2416
02:08:37,459 --> 02:08:39,859
Corrieri? Aye. Rollins? Aye.

2417
02:08:41,922 --> 02:08:44,322
Move onto item number 50,

2418
02:08:45,384 --> 02:08:47,219
sanitary sewer rehabilitation East

2419
02:08:47,219 --> 02:08:50,389
Lincoln way and Nikkol Trunk Line project.

2420
02:08:50,389 --> 02:08:52,789
Any questions for Justin?

2421
02:08:55,180 --> 02:08:56,729
Declare public hearing on this item to be open

2422
02:08:56,729 --> 02:09:02,234
is there anyone that wants to address council on this project.

2423
02:09:02,234 --> 02:09:03,736
Declare a public hearing to be closed.

2424
02:09:03,736 --> 02:09:04,403
Entertain motion

2425
02:09:04,403 --> 02:09:07,489
a resolution taking additional action for the authorization of a loan

2426
02:09:07,489 --> 02:09:11,452
and disbursement agreement and the issuance of sewer revenue bonds.

2427
02:09:11,452 --> 02:09:14,955
SRF loan not to exceed $5.7 million.

2428
02:09:14,955 --> 02:09:16,290
You said one quick question for Justin.

2429
02:09:16,290 --> 02:09:21,503
I think about this engineer's estimate is so much higher than our our bid.

2430
02:09:21,503 --> 02:09:22,713
Any thoughts on that?

2431
02:09:22,713 --> 02:09:25,507
I don't want to take a long time, but no really big.

2432
02:09:25,507 --> 02:09:27,593
These are very highly specialized contractors.

2433
02:09:27,593 --> 02:09:29,178
And what we found is we had a contractor

2434
02:09:29,178 --> 02:09:32,347
that had availability in their schedule for two very large projects.

2435
02:09:32,347 --> 02:09:34,308
We had very fortunate, bids.

2436
02:09:34,308 --> 02:09:37,770
We've used this contractor before, so I feel comfortable moving forward with him.

2437
02:09:37,770 --> 02:09:38,610
Yeah.

2438
02:09:38,610 --> 02:09:42,524
So keep their phone number I agree I, I need to saving somewhere else.

2439
02:09:42,524 --> 02:09:44,924
Yeah. Move alternative 1. Second.

2440
02:09:45,277 --> 02:09:47,277
Roll call.

2441
02:09:47,404 --> 02:09:50,949
Gartin? Aye. Betcher? Aye. Junck? Aye.

2442
02:09:50,949 --> 02:09:52,159
Corrieri? Aye.

2443
02:09:52,159 --> 02:09:54,159
Rollins? Aye.

2444
02:09:55,329 --> 02:09:57,329
Beatty-Hansen? Aye.

2445
02:09:57,790 --> 02:10:01,502
All right, let's go back and we'll pick up,

2446
02:10:01,502 --> 02:10:03,502
item number 39,41, 42. 39

2447
02:10:05,339 --> 02:10:06,632
Bethany, come up.

2448
02:10:06,632 --> 02:10:09,632
And this is on the,

2449
02:10:09,802 --> 02:10:11,802
job description for

2450
02:10:12,262 --> 02:10:14,515
and process for recruiting city

2451
02:10:14,515 --> 02:10:16,515
administrator.

2452
02:10:17,810 --> 02:10:18,727
Attorney.

2453
02:10:18,727 --> 02:10:20,479
Attorney!

2454
02:10:20,479 --> 02:10:22,523
Yeah, I was about. I'm sorry.

2455
02:10:22,523 --> 02:10:23,650
Not sorry.

2456
02:10:23,650 --> 02:10:23,690
Okay. All right.

2457
02:10:23,690 --> 02:10:26,443
And that's that's making me feel like a nice.

2458
02:10:26,443 --> 02:10:27,778
I don't want to go into a closed session.

2459
02:10:27,778 --> 02:10:29,778
Yeah.

2460
02:10:29,863 --> 02:10:31,281
Thank you for the clarification.

2461
02:10:31,281 --> 02:10:33,575
That was a very, very bad slip of the tongue.

2462
02:10:33,575 --> 02:10:38,288
So a Freudian slip that would make the newspaper that, Yeah.

2463
02:10:38,288 --> 02:10:39,706
Tribune. Keep that.

2464
02:10:39,706 --> 02:10:40,999
It is not.

2465
02:10:40,999 --> 02:10:44,599
And same for the Ames voice.

2466
02:10:49,424 --> 02:10:54,471
So I provided you with some documents, some draft documents, including,

2467
02:10:54,471 --> 02:10:57,990
job description for the city attorney

2468
02:10:57,990 --> 02:11:00,990
and a draft recruitment plan,

2469
02:11:00,811 --> 02:11:05,941
all to help you prepare for the upcoming recruitment for city attorney.

2470
02:11:05,941 --> 02:11:08,485
So, you have those two documents,

2471
02:11:08,485 --> 02:11:13,115
and we're ready to talk through that and make any changes that you'd like

2472
02:11:13,115 --> 02:11:18,203
to get to a final, a final plan and,

2473
02:11:18,203 --> 02:11:20,203
process.

2474
02:11:21,707 --> 02:11:22,499
The job description

2475
02:11:22,499 --> 02:11:26,545
first, see if you want any changes and then do,

2476
02:11:26,545 --> 02:11:27,796
job descriptions attached,

2477
02:11:27,796 --> 02:11:29,631
right? And you're going to pull that up?

2478
02:11:29,631 --> 02:11:31,550
So I think we've already made changes though, right?

2479
02:11:31,550 --> 02:11:33,302
Did we get them all, what everybody wanted?

2480
02:11:33,302 --> 02:11:36,540
Well, I think there were a couple here that.

2481
02:11:36,540 --> 02:11:37,973
Can we confirm the ones that are there.

2482
02:11:37,973 --> 02:11:38,515
Yeah.

2483
02:11:38,515 --> 02:11:40,976
Does it said that it said it like they were gonna be.

2484
02:11:40,976 --> 02:11:46,732
But I just want to make sure. They haven’t been. The question of,

2485
02:11:46,732 --> 02:11:50,270
admission to federal courts or obtaining admission.

2486
02:11:50,270 --> 02:11:50,402
Right.

2487
02:11:50,402 --> 02:11:53,405
We wanted to remove that. Right, right.

2488
02:11:53,405 --> 02:11:54,781
But that's still in there.

2489
02:11:54,781 --> 02:11:57,743
So there's some there's and to vote on those probably.

2490
02:11:57,743 --> 02:11:59,743
And also

2491
02:12:00,412 --> 02:12:03,624
Mark had recommended under preferred experience.

2492
02:12:03,624 --> 02:12:08,300
It said at least one year of experience in real estate or construction law.

2493
02:12:08,300 --> 02:12:10,714
And he had recommended that we amend that

2494
02:12:10,714 --> 02:12:14,176
to real estate law or construction contracts.

2495
02:12:14,176 --> 02:12:17,776
Okay. Because of the way the,

2496
02:12:18,597 --> 02:12:21,597
the profession would understand that.

2497
02:12:22,184 --> 02:12:23,518
And so I would move that.

2498
02:12:23,518 --> 02:12:26,229
We make those amendments second.

2499
02:12:26,229 --> 02:12:31,902
Okay, those in favor of the motion say aye. Aye. Opposed?

2500
02:12:31,902 --> 02:12:33,195
Okay. Motion carried.

2501
02:12:33,195 --> 02:12:36,795
Anything else on the job description?

2502
02:12:38,116 --> 02:12:39,159
Okay.

2503
02:12:39,159 --> 02:12:43,959
All right, moving on to the recruitment plan.

2504
02:12:48,460 --> 02:12:49,127
Any changes

2505
02:12:49,127 --> 02:12:51,460
people want?

2506
02:12:51,460 --> 02:12:52,297
Might as well go through each category.

2507
02:12:52,297 --> 02:12:58,345
You got the advertising category you got the application or you just going.

2508
02:12:58,345 --> 02:13:01,980
I mean, the advertising is fine, I think.

2509
02:13:01,980 --> 02:13:03,980
Right?

2510
02:13:03,225 --> 02:13:03,642
Yeah.

2511
02:13:03,642 --> 02:13:05,310
Okay.

2512
02:13:05,310 --> 02:13:08,310
Did well under advertising. I,

2513
02:13:08,855 --> 02:13:13,110
I'm trying to think of what Tim proposed,

2514
02:13:13,110 --> 02:13:17,910
an array of changes that are not reflected

2515
02:13:17,990 --> 02:13:20,390
in this current document.

2516
02:13:21,243 --> 02:13:25,706
And, I thought we were going to be going through those individually.

2517
02:13:25,706 --> 02:13:28,333
Right. So this is where that starts, correct?

2518
02:13:28,333 --> 02:13:30,333
Right.

2519
02:13:32,629 --> 02:13:36,229
So, so the first one being,

2520
02:13:37,676 --> 02:13:38,844
application review.

2521
02:13:38,844 --> 02:13:41,638
So we want to start? Oh you know, in March.

2522
02:13:41,638 --> 02:13:43,598
No, in March for March.

2523
02:13:43,598 --> 02:13:48,103
So instead of the mayor meeting with the legal staff, we would have,

2524
02:13:48,103 --> 02:13:49,730
City Manager and HR.

2525
02:13:49,730 --> 02:13:51,640
Yeah. Team.

2526
02:13:51,640 --> 02:13:52,816
Right. That's the only change, right?

2527
02:13:52,816 --> 02:13:54,234
Right. Okay.

2528
02:13:54,234 --> 02:13:57,234
I would move that, second.

2529
02:13:59,156 --> 02:13:59,865
Those in favor of the motion say aye.

2530
02:13:59,865 --> 02:14:02,265
Aye. Opposed? Motion carried.

2531
02:14:04,911 --> 02:14:06,911
Application review.

2532
02:14:07,390 --> 02:14:10,876
So I mean, I'm of the opinion that the subcommittee

2533
02:14:10,876 --> 02:14:16,876
should consist of the mayor and two city council members.

2534
02:14:17,299 --> 02:14:19,699
As it's written,

2535
02:14:20,100 --> 02:14:21,428
if it is, then I can move on it.

2536
02:14:21,428 --> 02:14:23,764
Yes, that that's my opinion.

2537
02:14:23,764 --> 02:14:25,640
I'm certainly people can- appointed by the mayor?

2538
02:14:25,640 --> 02:14:27,225
Is that you want?

2539
02:14:27,225 --> 02:14:29,269
I'm personally saying that. All right.

2540
02:14:29,269 --> 02:14:31,772
But if someone wants someone else has.

2541
02:14:31,772 --> 02:14:38,372
Yeah, I mean I it's time now to voice opinions.

2542
02:14:39,821 --> 02:14:40,197
Okay.

2543
02:14:40,197 --> 02:14:41,573
How about phone interviews?

2544
02:14:41,573 --> 02:14:45,952
So I was I don't have Tim's proposal in front of me here.

2545
02:14:45,952 --> 02:14:50,290
So was that one of the things that was proposed in that document

2546
02:14:50,290 --> 02:14:51,291
that you sent us?

2547
02:14:51,291 --> 02:14:55,450
Tim's email just had two council members

2548
02:14:55,450 --> 02:14:57,450
on the committee.

2549
02:14:58,298 --> 02:15:00,383
I think there's merit in having the mayor,

2550
02:15:00,383 --> 02:15:03,345
considering that the mayor technically

2551
02:15:03,345 --> 02:15:07,432
supervises the city attorney's office- no it was for everybody to do it.

2552
02:15:07,432 --> 02:15:08,475
Tim's was for everybody.

2553
02:15:08,475 --> 02:15:10,600
I'm sure it's just everybody.

2554
02:15:10,600 --> 02:15:14,481
No, no, no, that was just in the the application review

2555
02:15:14,481 --> 02:15:15,107
interview.

2556
02:15:15,107 --> 02:15:17,250
Oh, actually, maybe Tim should speak for Tim.

2557
02:15:17,250 --> 02:15:17,859
Yeah that's fine.

2558
02:15:17,859 --> 02:15:18,151
Yeah.

2559
02:15:18,151 --> 02:15:22,300
So you just clarify where at what point are we in the process?

2560
02:15:22,300 --> 02:15:26,230
We're on application review and the

2561
02:15:26,868 --> 02:15:30,580
so I, I think that we could all be a part of this

2562
02:15:30,580 --> 02:15:33,917
because we can't do this in a together.

2563
02:15:33,917 --> 02:15:41,508
We could go in in groups of two work with a scoring mechanism that HR gives us.

2564
02:15:41,508 --> 02:15:44,427
That would be what I would suggest.

2565
02:15:44,427 --> 02:15:46,960
So flesh out the process.

2566
02:15:46,960 --> 02:15:47,130
Are you talking about that

2567
02:15:47,130 --> 02:15:49,474
two council members would go in and look at them

2568
02:15:49,474 --> 02:15:52,561
and they would give recommendations, and then two more would come in.

2569
02:15:52,561 --> 02:15:56,640
So you wouldn't have an open meeting, basically just be two by two?

2570
02:15:56,640 --> 02:15:58,191
Correct. They don't give recommendations,

2571
02:15:58,191 --> 02:16:00,110
there'll be a scoring sheet scoring sheet.

2572
02:16:00,110 --> 02:16:03,238
So there's an objective matrix evaluation of it.

2573
02:16:03,238 --> 02:16:07,750
That's to get your larger group down to a smaller group to phone interview,

2574
02:16:07,750 --> 02:16:11,163
which will take you on a smaller group to bring in for final interviews.

2575
02:16:11,163 --> 02:16:12,800
Right? Yeah.

2576
02:16:12,800 --> 02:16:15,417
I mean, it's not it's not ideal because I think there's merit

2577
02:16:15,417 --> 02:16:19,671
in the collaborative process and hearing each other's observations,

2578
02:16:19,671 --> 02:16:22,716
but I think it's the best we can do given the constraints we have.

2579
02:16:22,716 --> 02:16:24,342
But yeah.

2580
02:16:24,342 --> 02:16:28,305
So your proposal is all council members

2581
02:16:28,305 --> 02:16:32,809
and the mayor with no meetings of more than two people?

2582
02:16:32,809 --> 02:16:37,900
Correct. Doing the reviewing? Okay. All right.

2583
02:16:37,220 --> 02:16:38,640
That a motion?

2584
02:16:38,640 --> 02:16:39,232
Sure.

2585
02:16:39,232 --> 02:16:41,234
Is there a second? I’ll second.

2586
02:16:41,234 --> 02:16:43,234
Okay.

2587
02:16:44,988 --> 02:16:45,655
Those in favor of the motion say aye.

2588
02:16:45,655 --> 02:16:47,655
Aye.

2589
02:16:48,325 --> 02:16:50,325
Any opposed?

2590
02:16:52,204 --> 02:16:55,874
So, Brian, we'll let you and Bethany

2591
02:16:55,874 --> 02:16:59,850
I mean, so it says the subcommittee and HR director will determine-

2592
02:16:59,850 --> 02:17:02,130
And so it’d just be

2593
02:17:02,130 --> 02:17:06,218
changing it to, HR will review the scoring criteria or whatever.

2594
02:17:06,218 --> 02:17:07,886
Is that right? Is that how that would work?

2595
02:17:07,886 --> 02:17:10,388
Or maybe Bethany would want to speak to that.

2596
02:17:10,388 --> 02:17:12,891
You understand what I'm talking about in terms of right now?

2597
02:17:12,891 --> 02:17:17,910
That would be so I would create

2598
02:17:17,896 --> 02:17:19,896
a scoring mechanism

2599
02:17:20,774 --> 02:17:23,985
that would be provided to all of you.

2600
02:17:23,985 --> 02:17:26,780
I will go through and screen

2601
02:17:26,780 --> 02:17:30,825
for minimum qualifications, and those who passed minimum

2602
02:17:30,825 --> 02:17:36,810
qualifications would move on to review by this group.

2603
02:17:36,810 --> 02:17:39,793
And then we would have, a scoring rubric

2604
02:17:39,793 --> 02:17:46,490
that you would go through and then put your score together and.

2605
02:17:46,490 --> 02:17:48,760
The high scores would move on to the next step.

2606
02:17:48,760 --> 02:17:50,530
Correct. Right.

2607
02:17:50,530 --> 02:17:51,513
Okay. Right.

2608
02:17:51,513 --> 02:17:53,473
Without a meeting, correct?

2609
02:17:53,473 --> 02:17:55,517
You probably meet with each smaller group.

2610
02:17:55,517 --> 02:17:57,227
You would you be part of that.

2611
02:17:57,227 --> 02:17:58,895
You'd have three group three meetings at least.

2612
02:17:58,895 --> 02:18:00,438
Yeah okay.

2613
02:18:00,438 --> 02:18:01,940
Everyone does is that consistent of

2614
02:18:01,940 --> 02:18:03,940
everyone's understanding?

2615
02:18:04,609 --> 02:18:05,694
Okay. All right.

2616
02:18:05,694 --> 02:18:07,694
Phone interviews.

2617
02:18:09,720 --> 02:18:10,699
I don't think that needs to change.

2618
02:18:10,699 --> 02:18:14,744
I would prefer that it just be council members doing that,

2619
02:18:14,744 --> 02:18:18,957
reviewing the phone interviews. The phone interviews? I disagree. I disagree.

2620
02:18:18,957 --> 02:18:23,295
I've been involved in phone interview processes before, and it always feels like

2621
02:18:23,295 --> 02:18:27,674
you get too many people involved, and it's not as effective

2622
02:18:27,674 --> 02:18:30,176
because it becomes somewhat inconsistent in

2623
02:18:30,176 --> 02:18:33,176
how the interviews are done.

2624
02:18:33,471 --> 02:18:37,517
Well, what we're suggesting this one is two council members,

2625
02:18:37,517 --> 02:18:39,436
the HR director and assistant city manager.

2626
02:18:39,436 --> 02:18:44,836
You saying that's too much? And the mayor.

2627
02:18:45,608 --> 02:18:46,192
Go through

2628
02:18:46,192 --> 02:18:49,446
explain what you with the normal phone interview process is.

2629
02:18:49,446 --> 02:18:54,868
So typically when we do phone interviews it's, someone from HR.

2630
02:18:54,868 --> 02:18:58,580
So in this case it would it would be me.

2631
02:18:58,580 --> 02:19:00,290
Typically it would be the hiring manager.

2632
02:19:00,290 --> 02:19:02,959
So right now that's that's all of you, who is the hiring manager.

2633
02:19:02,959 --> 02:19:06,460
And so that's frankly that's too many people

2634
02:19:06,460 --> 02:19:09,591
to have in the room for a phone interview.

2635
02:19:09,591 --> 02:19:15,555
So typically we would have 2 or 3 people in addition to the HR representative.

2636
02:19:15,555 --> 02:19:19,559
And sometimes not everyone in the room speaks.

2637
02:19:19,559 --> 02:19:24,814
Sometimes it's 1 or 2 people kind of go back and forth with the questions.

2638
02:19:24,814 --> 02:19:27,317
We have a small grouping of questions.

2639
02:19:27,317 --> 02:19:31,112
The phone interviews typically last 30 minutes or less,

2640
02:19:31,112 --> 02:19:33,740
because we're just trying to get a high level

2641
02:19:33,740 --> 02:19:36,740
understanding of skills, abilities, interest.

2642
02:19:37,619 --> 02:19:41,706
We typically have a, salary discussion at that point,

2643
02:19:41,706 --> 02:19:43,708
so we can make a determination to see

2644
02:19:43,708 --> 02:19:47,629
if the salary expectations are in line with what we'll be able to offer.

2645
02:19:47,629 --> 02:19:51,591
And so we can take all of that into consideration, that’s a scored process

2646
02:19:51,591 --> 02:19:52,384
as well.

2647
02:19:52,384 --> 02:19:57,970
And then we make some decisions as a group, about who will invite

2648
02:19:57,970 --> 02:20:02,685
for the on site interview experience so we can have

2649
02:20:02,685 --> 02:20:03,978
people in the room that

2650
02:20:03,978 --> 02:20:08,274
aren't speaking that we don't acknowledge as being in the room necessarily.

2651
02:20:08,274 --> 02:20:12,195
We can have people in the room have everybody participate.

2652
02:20:12,195 --> 02:20:17,325
It's less confusing for the person on the other end of the phone for the candidate.

2653
02:20:17,325 --> 02:20:19,911
If it's a couple of people that are speaking

2654
02:20:19,911 --> 02:20:23,373
and that's sort of where my mind was at when we did the interviews

2655
02:20:23,373 --> 02:20:26,292
for the city assessor, we had a larger group of people,

2656
02:20:26,292 --> 02:20:29,170
but not everyone spoke, and we took turns and we said,

2657
02:20:29,170 --> 02:20:32,632
you know, for this one, you 2 or 3, you're going to ask the questions.

2658
02:20:32,632 --> 02:20:35,135
Everybody else listens in and then we rotate in.

2659
02:20:35,135 --> 02:20:37,971
And that way at least we all heard the same information.

2660
02:20:37,971 --> 02:20:38,805
Right.

2661
02:20:38,805 --> 02:20:40,515
And it's the same group of people.

2662
02:20:40,515 --> 02:20:41,391
Yes. Yeah.

2663
02:20:41,391 --> 02:20:42,934
Present for every interview?

2664
02:20:42,934 --> 02:20:45,145
So it's not a it's not a rotating group of people.

2665
02:20:45,145 --> 02:20:46,646
It's the same group hearing

2666
02:20:46,646 --> 02:20:50,942
every every candidate meeting with every candidate. I’m just gonna throw in,

2667
02:20:50,942 --> 02:20:55,155
I mean by ordinance, the mayor, whoever the mayor is,

2668
02:20:55,155 --> 02:21:00,201
they are the essentially the supervisor overseeing the city attorney.

2669
02:21:00,201 --> 02:21:02,162
That's how it's laid out in the ordinance.

2670
02:21:02,162 --> 02:21:04,380
And so I just seemed like that

2671
02:21:04,380 --> 02:21:06,916
if you had a supervisor hiring somebody, that would be part

2672
02:21:06,916 --> 02:21:11,212
and they'd be part of this process, is that correct? What ordinance is that?

2673
02:21:11,212 --> 02:21:12,797
It's 2.11. Yeah.

2674
02:21:12,797 --> 02:21:14,797
Sub-paragraph one.

2675
02:21:14,799 --> 02:21:17,510
Because I was looking for that earlier and I couldn't find it.

2676
02:21:17,510 --> 02:21:19,846
It says that essentially the

2677
02:21:19,846 --> 02:21:21,846
mayor supervises everybody

2678
02:21:22,348 --> 02:21:26,811
except for those who are delegated to the city manager.

2679
02:21:26,811 --> 02:21:27,437
Right.

2680
02:21:27,437 --> 02:21:32,108
And the city manager is responsible for everybody except for the city attorney.

2681
02:21:32,108 --> 02:21:33,401
And so that's excluded.

2682
02:21:33,401 --> 02:21:36,738
So that then it falls back to the mayor's responsibility.

2683
02:21:36,738 --> 02:21:41,242
That's that's it's been that way for ages and ages.

2684
02:21:41,242 --> 02:21:44,842
Thousands of years, hundreds of years.

2685
02:21:50,210 --> 02:21:53,963
So we're leaving it as is?

2686
02:21:53,963 --> 02:21:56,174
Well, that's that's the question for council.

2687
02:21:56,174 --> 02:21:57,133
That's what I'm asking.

2688
02:21:57,133 --> 02:22:02,972
Yeah I honestly I would like to have the mayor have as few touch points

2689
02:22:02,972 --> 02:22:06,684
in this as possible because I think it can get intimidating

2690
02:22:06,684 --> 02:22:09,145
for people if they're assuming

2691
02:22:09,145 --> 02:22:12,774
that the mayor is running the process

2692
02:22:12,774 --> 02:22:16,528
when we are a weak mayor system.

2693
02:22:16,528 --> 02:22:19,697
So that's that's my stance on it.

2694
02:22:19,697 --> 02:22:23,243
And if we can reduce those touch points,

2695
02:22:23,243 --> 02:22:27,443
I would feel more comfortable with that.

2696
02:22:29,958 --> 02:22:31,125
And I know

2697
02:22:31,125 --> 02:22:34,963
when Tim and I were the appointed committee,

2698
02:22:34,963 --> 02:22:38,716
for hiring Mark, the mayor wasn't involved at all.

2699
02:22:38,716 --> 02:22:42,470
So, I mean, this is this is a radical departure from that.

2700
02:22:42,470 --> 02:22:47,141
And I'm kind of looking for a middle ground.

2701
02:22:47,141 --> 02:22:50,228
I mean, I think it's weird that the mayor wasn't involved in the hiring of Mark.

2702
02:22:50,228 --> 02:22:54,428
Quite honestly, that seems odd to me.

2703
02:22:56,859 --> 02:22:59,280
All right, let's let's get a motion on the table.

2704
02:22:59,280 --> 02:23:03,408
But you, you know, stay the way it is or modify it.

2705
02:23:03,408 --> 02:23:06,408
So we keep on moving.

2706
02:23:06,703 --> 02:23:11,207
I think maybe there's a point of compromise.

2707
02:23:11,207 --> 02:23:13,376
Because this is a weak mayor system,

2708
02:23:13,376 --> 02:23:16,421
I think that that also communicates just sort of the,

2709
02:23:16,421 --> 02:23:21,843
the level of, of the way in which the the mayor's role would drive this.

2710
02:23:21,843 --> 02:23:25,847
So I guess I would like to see this try this out

2711
02:23:25,847 --> 02:23:30,226
where the mayor is involved in these interviews.

2712
02:23:30,226 --> 02:23:35,230
But knowing that the council sentiment is, is that,

2713
02:23:35,230 --> 02:23:36,240
just, I

2714
02:23:36,240 --> 02:23:39,944
think this is an encouragement to make this a collaborative process

2715
02:23:39,944 --> 02:23:42,405
rather than a mayor, a mayor driven process.

2716
02:23:42,405 --> 02:23:47,160
Maybe if I say it that way, I think I think there's a way of doing this.

2717
02:23:47,160 --> 02:23:49,780
So we'll leave it as I would.

2718
02:23:49,780 --> 02:23:51,623
I would move that, we leave it as is. I'll second that. Okay.

2719
02:23:51,623 --> 02:23:54,375
I mean, maybe we won't need a new motion if we're leaving it as is.

2720
02:23:54,375 --> 02:23:56,294
Perhaps not.

2721
02:23:56,294 --> 02:23:58,129
The two members appointed by the mayor then.

2722
02:23:58,129 --> 02:24:01,129
Right. Okay. I'm good.

2723
02:24:01,424 --> 02:24:02,300
I think that's fine.

2724
02:24:02,300 --> 02:24:04,469
Alright, motion's made and a second. Those in favor of the motion say aye.

2725
02:24:04,469 --> 02:24:06,469
Aye.

2726
02:24:06,471 --> 02:24:08,471
Opposed?

2727
02:24:09,724 --> 02:24:09,974
Okay.

2728
02:24:09,974 --> 02:24:11,974
Carried.

2729
02:24:12,600 --> 02:24:14,103
All right, Bethany, wanna take us through the- Sure.

2730
02:24:14,103 --> 02:24:16,103
The uh-

2731
02:24:16,397 --> 02:24:18,660
process, you know, they go through or what

2732
02:24:18,660 --> 02:24:19,567
you’re proposing?

2733
02:24:19,567 --> 02:24:22,320
So we call this the on-site interview experience.

2734
02:24:22,320 --> 02:24:25,782
This is modeled after the experience that we have

2735
02:24:25,782 --> 02:24:29,382
for department heads, assistant city managers.

2736
02:24:29,661 --> 02:24:35,708
We did a sort of similar process when we hired the city assessor.

2737
02:24:35,708 --> 02:24:38,544
So essentially it's a two day process.

2738
02:24:38,544 --> 02:24:44,300
And, each day has a pretty well lined out schedule.

2739
02:24:44,300 --> 02:24:47,637
So day one, I typically meet with candidates

2740
02:24:47,637 --> 02:24:50,932
at the beginning of the day just to talk about our benefits.

2741
02:24:50,932 --> 02:24:55,186
Talk about this is the schedule and walk them through their day.

2742
02:24:55,186 --> 02:25:00,316
Then after I meet with candidates, the candidate goes and meets with

2743
02:25:00,316 --> 02:25:02,716
usually the hiring manager

2744
02:25:03,444 --> 02:25:05,905
in the draft document I put the mayor in.

2745
02:25:05,905 --> 02:25:07,573
That could be anyone.

2746
02:25:07,573 --> 02:25:10,326
But, it's just a short introduction.

2747
02:25:10,326 --> 02:25:14,122
It's a 15 minute conversation to say welcome to your experience,

2748
02:25:14,122 --> 02:25:16,416
because we're again, we're trying to create

2749
02:25:16,416 --> 02:25:20,545
a positive experience for the candidate and for the participants in the process.

2750
02:25:20,545 --> 02:25:22,672
And so it's a welcome.

2751
02:25:22,672 --> 02:25:24,716
There's not a lot of substance to the conversation.

2752
02:25:24,716 --> 02:25:28,100
It's just it's a short welcome conversation.

2753
02:25:28,100 --> 02:25:31,639
Following that, we would move into a panel interview.

2754
02:25:31,639 --> 02:25:36,686
Those are typical for, most of our positions at the city.

2755
02:25:36,686 --> 02:25:41,149
And this would be with the entire city council body.

2756
02:25:41,149 --> 02:25:42,650
And then I would also participate.

2757
02:25:42,650 --> 02:25:47,572
We always have an HR representative in our panel interviews.

2758
02:25:47,572 --> 02:25:50,783
So this is the formal interview part of this.

2759
02:25:50,783 --> 02:25:55,288
It's a it's a scored process, formal interview.

2760
02:25:55,288 --> 02:26:00,840
This could be held in closed session per candidate request.

2761
02:26:00,840 --> 02:26:03,504
And so there's a form that they would need to, indicate to me

2762
02:26:03,504 --> 02:26:06,674
that they would like their interview held in closed session

2763
02:26:06,674 --> 02:26:10,553
and then the full city council could meet in that way.

2764
02:26:10,553 --> 02:26:12,889
So that typically lasts about 90 minutes.

2765
02:26:12,889 --> 02:26:16,476
And then, following that, we'd like to provide opportunities

2766
02:26:16,476 --> 02:26:20,438
for candidates to meet with the team they're going to be a part of.

2767
02:26:20,438 --> 02:26:23,240
And so in this case, we would have a meet

2768
02:26:23,240 --> 02:26:26,270
and greet with the legal department,

2769
02:26:26,270 --> 02:26:29,300
meet with the existing legal department employees.

2770
02:26:29,300 --> 02:26:31,741
It's about 45 minutes for that experience.

2771
02:26:31,741 --> 02:26:34,911
We do have some conversation starter questions,

2772
02:26:34,911 --> 02:26:38,164
some moderated discussion with some guidelines.

2773
02:26:38,164 --> 02:26:43,200
So they just have some some discussion to try to get to know the work style

2774
02:26:43,200 --> 02:26:45,963
and characteristics of the candidates.

2775
02:26:45,963 --> 02:26:48,466
And then, we do take a break for lunch.

2776
02:26:48,466 --> 02:26:51,886
We allow the candidates to eat while they're here with us

2777
02:26:51,886 --> 02:26:53,221
so they can take a break.

2778
02:26:53,221 --> 02:26:55,139
They eat by themselves.

2779
02:26:55,139 --> 02:26:58,434
And then after they've taken a short break,

2780
02:26:58,434 --> 02:27:03,105
we have our executive leadership team interview, and so this is some time

2781
02:27:03,105 --> 02:27:06,692
to spend with the department heads from the organization.

2782
02:27:06,692 --> 02:27:10,290
We spend about an hour together.

2783
02:27:10,290 --> 02:27:12,615
And then, we do have formal questions.

2784
02:27:12,615 --> 02:27:14,992
It's not a scored process, though.

2785
02:27:14,992 --> 02:27:16,244
We do have formal questions.

2786
02:27:16,244 --> 02:27:20,444
We provide feedback to the decision makers.

2787
02:27:20,540 --> 02:27:24,794
Following that, we'll take a short break and then we'd like to do a city tour.

2788
02:27:24,794 --> 02:27:28,256
We have some really great tour guides on our executive leadership team.

2789
02:27:28,256 --> 02:27:31,759
I named a couple of them in this in this document.

2790
02:27:31,759 --> 02:27:34,762
They do a really great job. So,

2791
02:27:34,762 --> 02:27:37,139
in this case, a couple of options.

2792
02:27:37,139 --> 02:27:41,180
Keith Abraham or John Dunn, they do a really great job of showing up

2793
02:27:41,180 --> 02:27:42,353
John just told us he’s going to be in a conference.

2794
02:27:42,353 --> 02:27:43,437
So okay.

2795
02:27:43,437 --> 02:27:45,690
So maybe it's Keith that would provide that.

2796
02:27:45,690 --> 02:27:50,490
So we show off our city facilities, parks,

2797
02:27:50,528 --> 02:27:52,928
talk about relevant, projects

2798
02:27:53,739 --> 02:27:57,743
that are happening that the candidate might get to work with.

2799
02:27:57,743 --> 02:28:00,663
It's a good experience to have an informal conversation

2800
02:28:00,663 --> 02:28:06,377
and then just kind of say, here are the the places and things to see in Ames.

2801
02:28:06,377 --> 02:28:09,255
We assume that we will have some out

2802
02:28:09,255 --> 02:28:12,967
of town candidates for all of these types of positions.

2803
02:28:12,967 --> 02:28:15,219
And so they might not be familiar with Ames.

2804
02:28:15,219 --> 02:28:16,762
And so we show them around.

2805
02:28:16,762 --> 02:28:22,226
And that usually takes about two hours to do that to go around and see facilities.

2806
02:28:22,226 --> 02:28:26,856
Then we do build in time to prepare for a public presentation.

2807
02:28:26,856 --> 02:28:31,527
We do have a public presentation built into this itinerary.

2808
02:28:31,527 --> 02:28:34,488
We'd like to have that at council chambers in this room.

2809
02:28:34,488 --> 02:28:38,492
Sometimes we use other spaces just depending on unavailability.

2810
02:28:38,492 --> 02:28:41,245
We invite the public and then if there are specific people

2811
02:28:41,245 --> 02:28:46,125
that we need to invite, we send out specific invitations. But,

2812
02:28:46,125 --> 02:28:46,834
if we don't have

2813
02:28:46,834 --> 02:28:50,588
that, then we will just, send out a press

2814
02:28:50,588 --> 02:28:53,925
release inviting everyone in the community to come and participate.

2815
02:28:53,925 --> 02:28:57,178
We get a lot of participation from city staff.

2816
02:28:57,178 --> 02:29:00,389
They like to come to the public presentations, we ask for

2817
02:29:00,389 --> 02:29:04,977
feedback from attendees, and so we provide feedback forms

2818
02:29:04,977 --> 02:29:08,564
and then take in the information and give that the candidates

2819
02:29:08,564 --> 02:29:09,315
an opportunity

2820
02:29:09,315 --> 02:29:13,486
to explain who they are and why they'd be a good fit for the position.

2821
02:29:13,486 --> 02:29:15,404
So that's day one.

2822
02:29:15,404 --> 02:29:20,159
We conclude day one with dinner, and that's just an opportunity

2823
02:29:20,159 --> 02:29:25,456
to have another, touch point from key members of the hiring committee.

2824
02:29:25,456 --> 02:29:27,708
It could be all of council.

2825
02:29:27,708 --> 02:29:29,543
Part of council.

2826
02:29:29,543 --> 02:29:31,837
Not all. You're right.

2827
02:29:31,837 --> 02:29:35,841
But a subcommittee again, we're having an informal discussion

2828
02:29:35,841 --> 02:29:39,950
talking about expectations for the position.

2829
02:29:39,950 --> 02:29:40,513
Just in a different setting.

2830
02:29:40,513 --> 02:29:42,765
And it's an opportunity to debrief on the day.

2831
02:29:42,765 --> 02:29:44,767
How did today go?

2832
02:29:44,767 --> 02:29:46,686
What are you looking forward to tomorrow?

2833
02:29:46,686 --> 02:29:50,286
Things like that. Then day two.

2834
02:29:51,357 --> 02:29:52,316
Sure.

2835
02:29:52,316 --> 02:29:54,944
Do you want to have any conversation about day one?

2836
02:29:54,944 --> 02:29:59,144
Who you want to attend that dinner?

2837
02:30:00,320 --> 02:30:03,744
I have a question, not about that.

2838
02:30:03,744 --> 02:30:06,144
Just about day one.

2839
02:30:06,539 --> 02:30:11,339
If they don't request a closed session,

2840
02:30:11,502 --> 02:30:13,337
then it's just an open session?

2841
02:30:13,337 --> 02:30:15,337
Correct. Okay.

2842
02:30:15,798 --> 02:30:16,799
That was my main question.

2843
02:30:16,799 --> 02:30:20,720
And then how many candidates have we winnowed it down to at this point?

2844
02:30:20,720 --> 02:30:22,471
Is that up in the air still?

2845
02:30:22,471 --> 02:30:23,806
It's up in the air.

2846
02:30:23,806 --> 02:30:26,267
Okay. So it could be a handful.

2847
02:30:26,267 --> 02:30:29,812
It could be it is likely to be more like 2 or 3.

2848
02:30:29,812 --> 02:30:31,605
Okay.

2849
02:30:31,605 --> 02:30:33,605
Thank you.

2850
02:30:36,110 --> 02:30:38,654
Any other questions on day one or comments.

2851
02:30:38,654 --> 02:30:40,948
So again we need some direction on there.

2852
02:30:40,948 --> 02:30:43,242
Yeah I still have concerns

2853
02:30:43,242 --> 02:30:47,163
about the number of times the mayor's involved in everything here.

2854
02:30:47,163 --> 02:30:52,752
And this is another point where we could have a city council member in that slot.

2855
02:30:52,752 --> 02:30:58,299
And three city council members instead of the mayor and two city council members.

2856
02:30:58,299 --> 02:31:00,217
Okay.

2857
02:31:00,217 --> 02:31:02,970
I mean, if I were looking at this,

2858
02:31:02,970 --> 02:31:07,990
I'd be seeing the mayor showing up throughout the entire process.

2859
02:31:07,990 --> 02:31:08,851
And but the mayor is right.

2860
02:31:08,851 --> 02:31:12,451
I mean, it does say that

2861
02:31:12,938 --> 02:31:16,817
he's kind of is supervising that that role.

2862
02:31:16,817 --> 02:31:20,654
I mean, I guess that was and I was unaware of that

2863
02:31:20,654 --> 02:31:23,654
until you pointed it out.

2864
02:31:24,992 --> 02:31:28,287
So, you know, I don't know that

2865
02:31:28,287 --> 02:31:30,790
I don't know that three council members is a good idea.

2866
02:31:30,790 --> 02:31:32,958
Then you get into

2867
02:31:32,958 --> 02:31:35,419
kind of problematic gray area legally.

2868
02:31:35,419 --> 02:31:37,546
I mean, like that we can't

2869
02:31:37,546 --> 02:31:41,509
I mean, I can't debate anybody, I mean its already a little, like, overwhelming when you have

2870
02:31:41,509 --> 02:31:46,550
the mayor, two council members, ISU council representative and like

2871
02:31:46,550 --> 02:31:49,642
just going out to an informal dinner that seems already a little

2872
02:31:49,642 --> 02:31:53,479
like I don't even remember that we went out to dinner.

2873
02:31:53,479 --> 02:31:56,148
I think we just like, sat in a conference room

2874
02:31:56,148 --> 02:32:00,528
and and had a box dinner or something, you know, it wasn't.

2875
02:32:00,528 --> 02:32:04,128
Yeah, well, might be that, but.

2876
02:32:06,200 --> 02:32:08,619
So we need direction on this one.

2877
02:32:08,619 --> 02:32:10,619
Probably some some.

2878
02:32:11,747 --> 02:32:13,374
Well, I don't know where everyone else stands.

2879
02:32:13,374 --> 02:32:17,711
I'm just going to move that the mayor not be involved in the dinner.

2880
02:32:17,711 --> 02:32:20,111
Is there a second?

2881
02:32:22,700 --> 02:32:25,553
I think you you've hit on a fair point.

2882
02:32:25,553 --> 02:32:29,515
I think there's a difference between the mayor's role,

2883
02:32:29,515 --> 02:32:33,227
once the mayor or once the city attorney is hired.

2884
02:32:33,227 --> 02:32:36,630
But then the role of ultimately making a decision.

2885
02:32:36,630 --> 02:32:38,732
The mayor doesn't have a vote on this.

2886
02:32:38,732 --> 02:32:40,732
And so,

2887
02:32:41,360 --> 02:32:45,720
this needs to be a council decision on selection.

2888
02:32:45,720 --> 02:32:48,659
And so my my question just in response,

2889
02:32:48,659 --> 02:32:52,329
and maybe you could help me think through this.

2890
02:32:52,329 --> 02:32:55,329
Are we compromising, our independence

2891
02:32:57,840 --> 02:33:01,255
in making the decision by having John,

2892
02:33:01,255 --> 02:33:04,800
the mayor present at the dinner is that?.

2893
02:33:04,800 --> 02:33:07,678
Well, there's anything I, I will be honest.

2894
02:33:07,678 --> 02:33:15,190
When the mayor is present, I tend to defer to the mayor in in my mind.

2895
02:33:15,190 --> 02:33:17,605
And I don't know that that's a way

2896
02:33:17,605 --> 02:33:22,610
to have a free conversation with whoever the candidate is.

2897
02:33:22,610 --> 02:33:27,310
Maybe that's just me or what I think it’s fair to surface that,

2898
02:33:27,310 --> 02:33:30,659
but then that just means that we need to be intentional, that

2899
02:33:30,659 --> 02:33:33,954
all the council members are invited to participate and meaningfully engage.

2900
02:33:33,954 --> 02:33:38,420
I mean, I, I think that I think I want to capture that concern,

2901
02:33:38,420 --> 02:33:41,712
but I think we could do that and still respect

2902
02:33:41,712 --> 02:33:46,512
the goal of this being a council decision.

2903
02:33:49,929 --> 02:33:52,140
I think that dinner is fine.

2904
02:33:52,140 --> 02:33:55,517
Motion died from a lack of a second.

2905
02:33:55,517 --> 02:33:57,517
Okay.

2906
02:33:58,200 --> 02:34:01,357
So we need two council members to serve the way it's written out.

2907
02:34:01,357 --> 02:34:04,276
Now, mayor to council members.

2908
02:34:04,276 --> 02:34:06,276
The ISU of,

2909
02:34:07,290 --> 02:34:10,366
excuse me, ISU representative, an HR director.

2910
02:34:10,366 --> 02:34:10,824
It's always good

2911
02:34:10,824 --> 02:34:14,578
the HR directors present at all times to make sure appropriate questions

2912
02:34:14,578 --> 02:34:17,706
are asking both the candidate and the interviewees.

2913
02:34:17,706 --> 02:34:18,874
100%.

2914
02:34:18,874 --> 02:34:20,709
That's their business. To keep us out of trouble.

2915
02:34:20,709 --> 02:34:26,423
Will the ISU representatives even be around? What we’ve been doing?

2916
02:34:26,423 --> 02:34:28,423
What do you,

2917
02:34:28,842 --> 02:34:32,596
Well, I'm hoping we have a new one, but I'm

2918
02:34:32,596 --> 02:34:34,765
by then. But it wouldn't be good to have the new one on.

2919
02:34:34,765 --> 02:34:35,849
Yeah, right.

2920
02:34:35,849 --> 02:34:36,976
But isn't this happening?

2921
02:34:36,976 --> 02:34:38,852
But, I mean, it's summer months.

2922
02:34:38,852 --> 02:34:39,103
Yeah.

2923
02:34:39,103 --> 02:34:42,982
If it's during the summer months, I told Brody and Nolan

2924
02:34:42,982 --> 02:34:45,526
if they can't find someone before the summer,

2925
02:34:45,526 --> 02:34:49,405
then they need to go be in the audience for city council meetings.

2926
02:34:49,405 --> 02:34:50,155
Oh, so maybe we shouldn’t have that.

2927
02:34:50,155 --> 02:34:53,242
So it could be ISU student

2928
02:34:53,242 --> 02:34:55,642
government representative instead of.

2929
02:34:56,328 --> 02:34:58,247
Or not at all. Or not or not at all.

2930
02:34:58,247 --> 02:34:59,373
I'm not sure.

2931
02:34:59,373 --> 02:35:00,374
It wouldn't be knowledgeable.

2932
02:35:00,374 --> 02:35:02,835
It's probably not necessary.

2933
02:35:02,835 --> 02:35:06,130
Yeah, I'm not sure what that would add to the conversation there.

2934
02:35:06,130 --> 02:35:06,255
Okay.

2935
02:35:06,255 --> 02:35:08,299
You want to cut that out, then I would move that.

2936
02:35:08,299 --> 02:35:10,699
we cut out the-

2937
02:35:12,219 --> 02:35:15,219
representative from that element. Second.

2938
02:35:15,389 --> 02:35:15,681
All right.

2939
02:35:15,681 --> 02:35:18,767
So you want, the mayor on then. Yep.

2940
02:35:18,767 --> 02:35:19,180
Okay.

2941
02:35:19,180 --> 02:35:21,854
Mayor's on then how do you decide who the other two are going to be?

2942
02:35:21,854 --> 02:35:25,399
Well, that's the two people that have already been.

2943
02:35:25,399 --> 02:35:28,360
I assumed it would be the same two. Right, but maybe not.

2944
02:35:28,360 --> 02:35:30,404
It doesn't have to be. There’s six of you, so all six,

2945
02:35:30,404 --> 02:35:32,114
you have a chance to.

2946
02:35:32,114 --> 02:35:34,325
I mean, you can do two others, is what I'm saying,

2947
02:35:34,325 --> 02:35:36,535
if you wanted to.

2948
02:35:36,535 --> 02:35:38,120
But the

2949
02:35:38,120 --> 02:35:41,874
you have two doing the, interview, the phone interviews.

2950
02:35:41,874 --> 02:35:42,958
Do you want those same two

2951
02:35:42,958 --> 02:35:47,421
or do you want to have the different two to get the exposure?

2952
02:35:47,421 --> 02:35:51,675
I guess I don't, I don't I would move that it'd be a different two. Second.

2953
02:35:51,675 --> 02:35:53,802
Oh sorry. Which two?

2954
02:35:53,802 --> 02:35:57,389
Oh last motion, which is what?

2955
02:35:57,389 --> 02:36:00,476
Motioned by Beatty-Hansen, seconded by Corrieri.

2956
02:36:00,476 --> 02:36:03,228
Three to remove the I. Yes. Thank you. That was a second.

2957
02:36:03,228 --> 02:36:03,479
All right.

2958
02:36:03,479 --> 02:36:04,521
Those in favor of that motion say aye.

2959
02:36:04,521 --> 02:36:06,521
Aye. Okay.

2960
02:36:07,232 --> 02:36:08,984
Any opposed?

2961
02:36:08,984 --> 02:36:10,652
Okay. So we remove the ISU

2962
02:36:10,652 --> 02:36:12,196
city council representative.

2963
02:36:12,196 --> 02:36:13,322
Thank you.

2964
02:36:13,322 --> 02:36:15,949
Go ahead I would move that

2965
02:36:15,949 --> 02:36:20,749
the dinner be two other city council members

2966
02:36:21,205 --> 02:36:25,000
other than the to the did the phone did the phone interviews okay.

2967
02:36:25,000 --> 02:36:27,000
Second.

2968
02:36:27,878 --> 02:36:29,460
Appointed by the mayor?

2969
02:36:29,460 --> 02:36:31,131
Yeah that's fine. Okay appointed by the mayor.

2970
02:36:31,131 --> 02:36:33,920
He's going to run out of choices here. Yeah.

2971
02:36:33,920 --> 02:36:34,593
You know yeah I don't know people's time.

2972
02:36:34,593 --> 02:36:38,347
Well, the whole idea is to try and get everyone the opportunity to be exposed to

2973
02:36:38,347 --> 02:36:39,723
in a variety of settings.

2974
02:36:39,723 --> 02:36:41,475
Yeah. Maybe a that's appropriate.

2975
02:36:41,475 --> 02:36:44,728
So yeah, I think it would just be new people if possible

2976
02:36:44,728 --> 02:36:48,607
because our schedules to allow us to be available

2977
02:36:48,607 --> 02:36:52,528
and it may still be the same two if we're available at the other time.

2978
02:36:52,528 --> 02:36:56,128
Totally true. That's fair. Yeah.

2979
02:36:57,408 --> 02:36:57,658
Okay.

2980
02:36:57,658 --> 02:37:00,770
We got the. So read the motion.

2981
02:37:00,770 --> 02:37:03,414
So I have that it was moved by Beatty-Hansen that the dinner, be

2982
02:37:03,414 --> 02:37:08,430
two other city council members if possible, appointed by the mayor.

2983
02:37:08,430 --> 02:37:10,754
Was there a second on that? That was seconded by Gartin.

2984
02:37:10,754 --> 02:37:11,380
Okay. Thank you.

2985
02:37:11,380 --> 02:37:12,470
It's two others

2986
02:37:12,470 --> 02:37:15,300
being the two other than the ones that were at the phone interview.

2987
02:37:15,300 --> 02:37:21,140
This was the phone interview changed to everyone in sets of two.

2988
02:37:21,140 --> 02:37:22,850
No, no, that was a different thing.

2989
02:37:22,850 --> 02:37:23,434
That was a different.

2990
02:37:23,434 --> 02:37:26,103
It was the mayor and two appointed by the mayor, right?

2991
02:37:26,103 --> 02:37:29,148
Yes. That's what that was for the phone interview.

2992
02:37:29,148 --> 02:37:32,776
Other different two in the phone got it.

2993
02:37:32,776 --> 02:37:35,279
All right. Those in favor of motion say aye. Aye.

2994
02:37:35,279 --> 02:37:35,904
Any opposed?

2995
02:37:35,904 --> 02:37:37,904
Any opposed? Carried.

2996
02:37:40,701 --> 02:37:42,701
Any other questions

2997
02:37:42,828 --> 02:37:44,746
on day one?

2998
02:37:44,746 --> 02:37:49,251
I'd say on day one for the public presentation,

2999
02:37:49,251 --> 02:37:52,588
I think that would be an appropriate time for the,

3000
02:37:52,588 --> 02:37:57,342
ISU student government person to try and be there.

3001
02:37:57,342 --> 02:38:00,888
I think it should be highly encouraged that they attend that meeting.

3002
02:38:00,888 --> 02:38:02,264
It should be when? I’m sorry.

3003
02:38:02,264 --> 02:38:06,560
For the public presentation to have HR specifically invite

3004
02:38:06,560 --> 02:38:10,760
ISU Iowa State University student government executives.

3005
02:38:10,939 --> 02:38:12,691
Day one.

3006
02:38:12,691 --> 02:38:15,527
Could be the executives or, and

3007
02:38:15,527 --> 02:38:19,310
or someone the representative representative. To the public

3008
02:38:19,310 --> 02:38:21,825
session time? Okay. Yeah. We could representative. Yeah.

3009
02:38:21,825 --> 02:38:23,827
I think that we can them we could the public.

3010
02:38:23,827 --> 02:38:23,994
Yeah.

3011
02:38:23,994 --> 02:38:27,289
Yeah, I think that's a more appropriate time than the dinner.

3012
02:38:27,289 --> 02:38:28,832
We can't stop them from coming anyway.

3013
02:38:28,832 --> 02:38:31,126
Yeah, I think it's a courtesy.

3014
02:38:31,126 --> 02:38:33,128
We can encourage extensive. Exactly.

3015
02:38:33,128 --> 02:38:35,839
Yeah. It's happening here. Yep.

3016
02:38:35,839 --> 02:38:36,256
Okay.

3017
02:38:36,256 --> 02:38:37,341
It's perfect.

3018
02:38:37,341 --> 02:38:37,758
That's good.

3019
02:38:37,758 --> 02:38:41,553
I think that could just be added with that as well.

3020
02:38:41,553 --> 02:38:43,931
And and I'll, I'll see you and I'll raise you one.

3021
02:38:43,931 --> 02:38:49,102
I think given the relationship that we have with the, university,

3022
02:38:49,102 --> 02:38:52,564
law, the attorneys there, as well as the Story County attorney,

3023
02:38:52,564 --> 02:38:55,943
I think this would also be a place to invite-invite them.

3024
02:38:55,943 --> 02:38:57,528
It's a very close working relationship.

3025
02:38:57,528 --> 02:38:59,363
You should make a motion so we have it.

3026
02:38:59,363 --> 02:39:00,280
Sure, I’ll move that

3027
02:39:00,280 --> 02:39:03,325
we invite, Iowa State Legal and Story

3028
02:39:03,325 --> 02:39:06,453
county attorney, to the public presentation. In addition?

3029
02:39:06,453 --> 02:39:10,582
And they'd like to wrap in her, and ISU student government, and.

3030
02:39:10,582 --> 02:39:13,877
Yes. Can I raise you one? Yes.

3031
02:39:13,877 --> 02:39:17,214
Is there a, Story county attorneys, something

3032
02:39:17,214 --> 02:39:20,214
association, Bar association we contact?

3033
02:39:20,259 --> 02:39:23,762
Can we email members? Oh, sure.

3034
02:39:23,762 --> 02:39:25,970
Yeah, that would be attorneys do business.

3035
02:39:25,970 --> 02:39:27,391
And you saw and raised me one.

3036
02:39:27,391 --> 02:39:31,103
That is a good suggestion because in in, actually,

3037
02:39:31,103 --> 02:39:34,189
when we did this before for Mark, we there was an invitation to the Story

3038
02:39:34,189 --> 02:39:35,482
County Bar Association.

3039
02:39:35,482 --> 02:39:36,358
I forgotten that.

3040
02:39:36,358 --> 02:39:39,653
Oh yeah. I'll just call and second.

3041
02:39:39,653 --> 02:39:41,572
All right.

3042
02:39:41,572 --> 02:39:43,365
So you are you clear in the motion?

3043
02:39:43,365 --> 02:39:47,744
I have Gartin moved to invite the ISU

3044
02:39:47,744 --> 02:39:51,415
legal department, the Story County attorney's office to the public

3045
02:39:51,415 --> 02:39:53,458
presentation, in addition to the ISU

3046
02:39:53,458 --> 02:39:57,254
student government representative, as well as the Story County bar Association.

3047
02:39:57,254 --> 02:39:58,839
Yes. Good job.

3048
02:39:58,839 --> 02:40:01,800
Well done. Was there a second? Seconded by Beatty-Hansen.

3049
02:40:01,800 --> 02:40:01,758
Okay. All right.

3050
02:40:01,758 --> 02:40:06,763
Those in favor of the motion say aye. Aye. Opposed?

3051
02:40:06,763 --> 02:40:07,848
All right.

3052
02:40:07,848 --> 02:40:09,141
Anything else on day one?

3053
02:40:09,141 --> 02:40:12,741
Otherwise I go onto day two.

3054
02:40:15,188 --> 02:40:15,856
Okay.

3055
02:40:15,856 --> 02:40:21,445
So day two, we have the day starting out with a written exercise.

3056
02:40:21,445 --> 02:40:25,282
I know we've had some, some feedback about the written exercise.

3057
02:40:25,282 --> 02:40:30,203
It is a typical part of the process, but, we certainly don't have to include

3058
02:40:30,203 --> 02:40:32,603
that for this position.

3059
02:40:34,207 --> 02:40:37,544
We like to include a city hall

3060
02:40:37,544 --> 02:40:41,340
tour as a way to engage a staff member

3061
02:40:41,340 --> 02:40:45,677
from the department to walk around again, informal conversation, talk

3062
02:40:45,677 --> 02:40:50,807
about different places within City Hall and have some different conversation.

3063
02:40:50,807 --> 02:40:53,894
And then we like to provide an opportunity

3064
02:40:53,894 --> 02:40:57,522
for the candidate to interact the city manager's office.

3065
02:40:57,522 --> 02:41:03,278
So that would be with the city manager, assistant city managers and HR director.

3066
02:41:03,278 --> 02:41:05,781
And so that would just be a lunch opportunity,

3067
02:41:05,781 --> 02:41:08,909
just, again, informal, just to talk about the relationship

3068
02:41:08,909 --> 02:41:13,580
between the city attorney's office and the city manager's office.

3069
02:41:13,580 --> 02:41:17,125
We know that the city manager's not the decision maker in this,

3070
02:41:17,125 --> 02:41:19,836
recruitment, but is still a really, really important

3071
02:41:19,836 --> 02:41:23,382
relationship that we want to provide that opportunity if we can.

3072
02:41:23,382 --> 02:41:26,510
And then to close out the day,

3073
02:41:26,510 --> 02:41:27,552
I put in this

3074
02:41:27,552 --> 02:41:31,515
draft document, just a short conversation for a closing discussion.

3075
02:41:31,515 --> 02:41:35,185
Again, it's with the mayor, but it could be with it, with anyone,

3076
02:41:35,185 --> 02:41:38,146
any part of the city council.

3077
02:41:38,146 --> 02:41:40,565
Just to close out the experience.

3078
02:41:40,565 --> 02:41:44,861
What if so, the remaining two and the mayor.

3079
02:41:44,861 --> 02:41:45,445
There we go.

3080
02:41:45,445 --> 02:41:47,300
Like that every.

3081
02:41:47,300 --> 02:41:49,449
All council members have the opportunity to do that.

3082
02:41:49,449 --> 02:41:49,825
Perfect.

3083
02:41:49,825 --> 02:41:54,454
I would I'd move that that closing discussion, if possible

3084
02:41:54,454 --> 02:42:00,252
include the remaining two council members if they haven't been involved yet,

3085
02:42:00,252 --> 02:42:05,340
and are able and the mayor and the human resources director,

3086
02:42:05,340 --> 02:42:07,592
Is there a second? Second.

3087
02:42:07,592 --> 02:42:09,592
Okay.

3088
02:42:10,178 --> 02:42:12,264
Those in favor of the motion say aye.

3089
02:42:12,264 --> 02:42:14,264
Aye. Any opposed?

3090
02:42:15,225 --> 02:42:15,684
Okay.

3091
02:42:15,684 --> 02:42:18,186
Now let's go back to the written exercise.

3092
02:42:18,186 --> 02:42:19,980
There was would you describe that a little more?

3093
02:42:19,980 --> 02:42:22,733
And then I think that's something that we got feedback from Mark on that.

3094
02:42:22,733 --> 02:42:27,529
And also I think, Tim, you had some quite also let's talk about that for a second.

3095
02:42:27,529 --> 02:42:32,617
That was and I was curious on that same topic to describe what it is-

3096
02:42:32,617 --> 02:42:33,493
you-you mentioned

3097
02:42:33,493 --> 02:42:36,872
it's part of the standard procedure for department heads.

3098
02:42:36,872 --> 02:42:39,833
Is that and so yeah, maybe talk about what that looks like. Sure.

3099
02:42:39,833 --> 02:42:42,377
And so it depends on what the position is.

3100
02:42:42,377 --> 02:42:47,174
We typically add some sort of writing exercise, written exercise.

3101
02:42:47,174 --> 02:42:48,910
It's not a test.

3102
02:42:48,910 --> 02:42:51,803
It's not an exam, but it's a scenario that we ask

3103
02:42:51,803 --> 02:42:55,403
candidates to reflect on, respond to,

3104
02:42:56,391 --> 02:42:57,225
and we keep

3105
02:42:57,225 --> 02:43:00,228
it related to the work that they will likely be doing.

3106
02:43:00,228 --> 02:43:03,857
And so, for example, when I went through the process myself,

3107
02:43:03,857 --> 02:43:08,445
I review or I was, given a scenario regarding union contracts,

3108
02:43:08,445 --> 02:43:13,325
and I was asked to provide an opinion to review and write something about it.

3109
02:43:13,325 --> 02:43:17,525
So, it gauges, writing style, communication style

3110
02:43:19,498 --> 02:43:23,376
and kind of interpretation of different things.

3111
02:43:23,376 --> 02:43:24,669
So we do that typically

3112
02:43:24,669 --> 02:43:29,174
for these types of positions, but it's always related to that position.

3113
02:43:29,174 --> 02:43:31,802
So this is a suggestion.

3114
02:43:31,802 --> 02:43:34,471
It could be something different

3115
02:43:34,471 --> 02:43:37,471
or eliminate altogether. Yeah. Correct.

3116
02:43:38,225 --> 02:43:42,620
How often in the past have you

3117
02:43:42,620 --> 02:43:47,234
found that tool to, to just, you know, to.

3118
02:43:47,234 --> 02:43:47,484
Yeah.

3119
02:43:47,484 --> 02:43:52,864
I mean, is it an impactful measuring metric at this level of a position?

3120
02:43:52,864 --> 02:43:53,365
Yeah.

3121
02:43:53,365 --> 02:43:56,660
So I have not seen this

3122
02:43:56,660 --> 02:43:58,660
exercise disqualify someone,

3123
02:43:59,913 --> 02:44:04,125
but it does provide insight into their communication style.

3124
02:44:04,125 --> 02:44:08,421
And so if there's something that really resonates we can talk about that further.

3125
02:44:08,421 --> 02:44:09,381
Or if there's something

3126
02:44:09,381 --> 02:44:12,676
where we have some questions, we can just have some further discussion.

3127
02:44:12,676 --> 02:44:15,804
So it's a tool. It's not a decision maker.

3128
02:44:15,804 --> 02:44:17,806
It's that's that's not the purpose.

3129
02:44:17,806 --> 02:44:19,850
It's just we're gathering some information.

3130
02:44:19,850 --> 02:44:23,979
We have lots of different touch points, lots of different involvement

3131
02:44:23,979 --> 02:44:27,650
and pieces in a big recruitment like this.

3132
02:44:27,650 --> 02:44:28,817
And so the decision makers

3133
02:44:28,817 --> 02:44:32,946
get to consider all of the information and decide together.

3134
02:44:32,946 --> 02:44:38,535
Do we want some follow up based on what we've learned in this particular element.

3135
02:44:38,535 --> 02:44:39,327
So I don't have it.

3136
02:44:39,327 --> 02:44:43,373
You don't have to. I move, we remove it.

3137
02:44:43,373 --> 02:44:45,773
There a second? Second.

3138
02:44:45,876 --> 02:44:47,252
Okay.

3139
02:44:47,252 --> 02:44:48,169
Any further discussion?

3140
02:44:48,169 --> 02:44:54,500
So I, I, I think that the sentiment behind this is spot on.

3141
02:44:54,500 --> 02:44:57,679
Just given the nature of what we ask our city attorney to do.

3142
02:44:57,679 --> 02:45:02,642
But I think we can achieve that information in other ways.

3143
02:45:02,642 --> 02:45:06,771
Both through direct conversation with the candidate,

3144
02:45:06,771 --> 02:45:11,260
but also so I would recommend that as you think about the questions,

3145
02:45:11,260 --> 02:45:14,237
maybe you have some model questions that you have some consistency

3146
02:45:14,237 --> 02:45:16,114
that we're using in the phone conversations.

3147
02:45:16,114 --> 02:45:18,740
Just so we're asking

3148
02:45:18,740 --> 02:45:21,286
a base number of questions, and we want to create some freedom

3149
02:45:21,286 --> 02:45:23,204
for the people that are there.

3150
02:45:23,204 --> 02:45:26,750
But having a base set of questions that every candidate's going to be asked.

3151
02:45:26,750 --> 02:45:31,546
And one of those could be to describe a situation where you were asked to review

3152
02:45:31,546 --> 02:45:35,967
or to draft an agreement and that presented some unique challenges.

3153
02:45:35,967 --> 02:45:37,761
How did you address that? That's right.

3154
02:45:37,761 --> 02:45:42,974
And then we could also approach that from discussions with, letters

3155
02:45:42,974 --> 02:45:47,620
of recommendation or the references that the person is going to be bringing.

3156
02:45:47,620 --> 02:45:52,233
That could be a specific question, and I think it's a fair question to ask.

3157
02:45:52,233 --> 02:45:54,694
I in fact, I think would be,

3158
02:45:54,694 --> 02:45:58,730
irresponsible of us if we didn't ask that question.

3159
02:45:58,730 --> 02:46:00,951
So I think we can achieve that goal other ways.

3160
02:46:00,951 --> 02:46:04,537
So you’re suggestion to replace about 90 minutes

3161
02:46:04,537 --> 02:46:07,582
having some general questions that would be asked for each candidate,

3162
02:46:07,582 --> 02:46:08,875
they would write something up to?

3163
02:46:08,875 --> 02:46:11,586
No. And all together eight questions. Right.

3164
02:46:11,586 --> 02:46:15,548
So I think we can achieve the goal of understanding

3165
02:46:15,548 --> 02:46:20,261
how the applicant approaches contract review and drafting

3166
02:46:20,261 --> 02:46:23,181
through dialog and, and and in some ways,

3167
02:46:23,181 --> 02:46:26,476
more importantly, from the people who've worked with this applicant

3168
02:46:26,476 --> 02:46:30,105
I have, I want to know, you know, what the city manager thinks,

3169
02:46:30,105 --> 02:46:33,900
or the other people who worked with that person who will be serving as references.

3170
02:46:33,900 --> 02:46:35,902
What they say that. Yeah.

3171
02:46:35,902 --> 02:46:38,905
I mean, I understand clearly what if someone's from

3172
02:46:38,905 --> 02:46:42,505
from private practice into this role?

3173
02:46:42,826 --> 02:46:45,412
Would there be a message you could like-?

3174
02:46:45,412 --> 02:46:48,390
Oh, of course. Would that

3175
02:46:48,390 --> 02:46:48,790
would that be?

3176
02:46:48,790 --> 02:46:50,667
And I'm not arguing for an extra.

3177
02:46:50,667 --> 02:46:51,751
I'm just curious.

3178
02:46:51,751 --> 02:46:52,919
It would be the same.

3179
02:46:52,919 --> 02:46:59,134
So understand most, cities in Iowa don't have staff attorney, so they're relying on

3180
02:46:59,134 --> 02:47:02,804
private attorneys who may represent 3 or 4 different communities.

3181
02:47:02,804 --> 02:47:04,764
And they're doing exactly the same work.

3182
02:47:04,764 --> 02:47:07,225
We just have the luxury of having three staff attorneys.

3183
02:47:07,225 --> 02:47:09,225
It's awesome.

3184
02:47:09,227 --> 02:47:16,443
Okay, so I'm going to ask something which I don't even know whether anybody up here

3185
02:47:16,443 --> 02:47:20,321
is paying attention to what's going on with AI,

3186
02:47:20,321 --> 02:47:23,199
but there have been a number of situations

3187
02:47:23,199 --> 02:47:27,399
where attorneys have used AI to write

3188
02:47:28,204 --> 02:47:30,204
their,

3189
02:47:30,331 --> 02:47:32,331
their briefs, their,

3190
02:47:33,100 --> 02:47:33,293
what?

3191
02:47:33,293 --> 02:47:35,211
I don't even know what the what the documents

3192
02:47:35,211 --> 02:47:37,130
are called, all kinds of things.

3193
02:47:37,130 --> 02:47:39,841
Sure. But they're using AI. Right.

3194
02:47:39,841 --> 02:47:45,346
And it seems like this could be a concern for us

3195
02:47:45,346 --> 02:47:52,353
because there are people being sued because their lawyers are using AI

3196
02:47:52,353 --> 02:47:57,942
and a written exercise which requires somebody to not use AI,

3197
02:47:57,942 --> 02:48:00,737
may actually show us something different than what

3198
02:48:00,737 --> 02:48:05,325
we would normally be expecting from a written exercise.

3199
02:48:05,325 --> 02:48:07,118
Yeah, this is a

3200
02:48:07,118 --> 02:48:08,495
great question.

3201
02:48:08,495 --> 02:48:12,707
That doesn’t necessarily mean that you would never get it in the future though. No.

3202
02:48:12,707 --> 02:48:18,505
But if somebody's not sure what that can do this exercise without it,

3203
02:48:18,505 --> 02:48:22,342
then they're less likely to use it in the future.

3204
02:48:22,342 --> 02:48:27,680
Yeah, that's just my experience with, anything with AI in the workplace.

3205
02:48:27,680 --> 02:48:29,182
I think that's a great question.

3206
02:48:29,182 --> 02:48:32,602
And I think it could be a question that you would pose in the phone

3207
02:48:32,602 --> 02:48:35,602
interviews or at some point,

3208
02:48:35,647 --> 02:48:37,647
the AI is

3209
02:48:38,233 --> 02:48:41,694
it would be crazy if our lawyers were not using AI.

3210
02:48:41,694 --> 02:48:42,153
Right.

3211
02:48:42,153 --> 02:48:43,279
And but it doesn't.

3212
02:48:43,279 --> 02:48:45,615
It's not serving as a replacement.

3213
02:48:45,615 --> 02:48:48,409
And there have been some the early versions of

3214
02:48:48,409 --> 02:48:52,997
AI had a lot more problems in terms of creating phantom authorities.

3215
02:48:52,997 --> 02:48:54,290
Still do it.

3216
02:48:54,290 --> 02:48:59,690
Yeah, but in terms so from an efficiency perspective,

3217
02:49:00,338 --> 02:49:02,465
you want your city attorney

3218
02:49:02,465 --> 02:49:06,636
to maybe draft a motion using AI to frame the issues,

3219
02:49:06,636 --> 02:49:07,971
but then going back over

3220
02:49:07,971 --> 02:49:11,224
to ultimately it's going to be the city attorney's signature at the bottom.

3221
02:49:11,224 --> 02:49:13,143
So they're responsible for that work product

3222
02:49:13,143 --> 02:49:14,269
either way.

3223
02:49:14,269 --> 02:49:19,566
But, we're entering into a new world where something that might take City

3224
02:49:19,566 --> 02:49:23,766
Attorney two days to do, the AI

3225
02:49:23,903 --> 02:49:26,447
under Lexis can do this in two minutes.

3226
02:49:26,447 --> 02:49:29,951
And so from an efficiency perspective, we need our attorneys

3227
02:49:29,951 --> 02:49:34,380
to be fluent and using it appropriately. I’m not saying we shouldn't have them using it.

3228
02:49:34,380 --> 02:49:38,418
What I'm saying is a lot of people aren't as careful as they should be,

3229
02:49:38,418 --> 02:49:42,500
and we need to have a city attorney that will be careful.

3230
02:49:42,500 --> 02:49:43,673
I agree with you 100%.

3231
02:49:43,673 --> 02:49:45,490
I think it's a good question.

3232
02:49:45,490 --> 02:49:48,595
Okay. Yeah, I agree with 100%. It

3233
02:49:48,595 --> 02:49:50,805
the motion that there's a motion made.

3234
02:49:50,805 --> 02:49:53,570
And second that the exercise was eliminated.

3235
02:49:53,570 --> 02:49:54,350
Correct? Correct.

3236
02:49:54,350 --> 02:49:59,397
So is there anything else that needs to be added in to that day,

3237
02:49:59,397 --> 02:50:05,690
or are we satisfied with what it that day is right now?

3238
02:50:05,690 --> 02:50:06,362
That's the question.

3239
02:50:06,362 --> 02:50:09,362
So we can move on.

3240
02:50:10,450 --> 02:50:11,826
I don't hear anything else.

3241
02:50:11,826 --> 02:50:14,871
I think we'll assume that

3242
02:50:14,871 --> 02:50:17,707
day two we'll start with the City Hall tour

3243
02:50:17,707 --> 02:50:20,710
break lunch, city manager, and then the closing discussion.

3244
02:50:20,710 --> 02:50:22,503
Correct.

3245
02:50:22,503 --> 02:50:26,925
Unless something else comes up, I guess I'll speak to the board exactly.

3246
02:50:26,925 --> 02:50:28,900
Yeah, they'll be here.

3247
02:50:28,900 --> 02:50:30,595
Can we have a talent show? No, just.

3248
02:50:30,595 --> 02:50:31,721
Okay.

3249
02:50:31,721 --> 02:50:33,806
What else do you need to talk about?

3250
02:50:33,806 --> 02:50:35,225
I mean, you understood about it.

3251
02:50:35,225 --> 02:50:38,269
We need to vote on the most late at night lock in a little late.

3252
02:50:38,269 --> 02:50:38,937
Sorry.

3253
02:50:38,937 --> 02:50:40,521
Motion to strike the

3254
02:50:40,521 --> 02:50:41,689
writing exercise.

3255
02:50:41,689 --> 02:50:44,734
We didn't vote on it. Carly. Sorry. Oh.

3256
02:50:44,734 --> 02:50:45,944
Keeping us on track.

3257
02:50:45,944 --> 02:50:48,947
Those in favor of the motion to strike the written

3258
02:50:48,947 --> 02:50:53,760
exercise of day two, please say aye. Aye.

3259
02:50:53,760 --> 02:50:54,452
Any opposed?

3260
02:50:54,452 --> 02:50:56,452
Any opposed?

3261
02:50:57,380 --> 02:50:58,623
Motion carried.

3262
02:50:58,623 --> 02:51:00,124
All right, bring us on home

3263
02:51:00,124 --> 02:51:00,833
Bethany, here we go.

3264
02:51:00,833 --> 02:51:03,233
Okay, so after that

3265
02:51:04,300 --> 02:51:06,300
glorious two day

3266
02:51:06,381 --> 02:51:09,381
interview experience for these candidates,

3267
02:51:10,343 --> 02:51:13,346
you will want to discuss the candidates.

3268
02:51:13,346 --> 02:51:18,746
And so, we typically do that in a debrief.

3269
02:51:19,185 --> 02:51:21,938
So this could be done.

3270
02:51:21,938 --> 02:51:25,608
A couple of options here, but it's it would be,

3271
02:51:25,608 --> 02:51:28,278
all of the people involved, plus city manager

3272
02:51:28,278 --> 02:51:32,907
plus the HR director to debrief and discuss all the candidates

3273
02:51:32,907 --> 02:51:38,204
with the goal of selecting a finalist and then beginning reference checks.

3274
02:51:38,204 --> 02:51:42,542
All the feedback will be shared from the groups to participate in DLT. The,

3275
02:51:42,542 --> 02:51:43,376
legal staff employees,

3276
02:51:43,376 --> 02:51:48,172
the public presentations. And is that an open meeting of council?

3277
02:51:48,172 --> 02:51:51,217
That I believe that would be in closed session.

3278
02:51:51,217 --> 02:51:51,676
Okay.

3279
02:51:51,676 --> 02:51:55,130
To discuss because you're discussing the candidates.

3280
02:51:55,130 --> 02:51:56,639
Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. Okay.

3281
02:51:56,639 --> 02:51:59,267
So that's a closed session that said that said city council.

3282
02:51:59,267 --> 02:52:02,687
But it should be the mayor and council in there, correct?

3283
02:52:02,687 --> 02:52:04,687
Yeah.

3284
02:52:06,232 --> 02:52:08,232
Okay.

3285
02:52:09,110 --> 02:52:11,362
So the people who vote on it right.

3286
02:52:11,362 --> 02:52:11,904
Right.

3287
02:52:11,904 --> 02:52:12,405
Right.

3288
02:52:12,405 --> 02:52:14,405
Council.

3289
02:52:16,284 --> 02:52:16,743
All right.

3290
02:52:16,743 --> 02:52:20,413
Anything else you would like from us tonight?

3291
02:52:20,413 --> 02:52:23,333
We voted on all the motions independently.

3292
02:52:23,333 --> 02:52:27,920
So you don't need to have a one big fell swoop motion.

3293
02:52:27,920 --> 02:52:30,965
Is there anything else council wants to add?

3294
02:52:30,965 --> 02:52:33,965
Well, I, I was curious,

3295
02:52:34,844 --> 02:52:37,844
so you're not getting,

3296
02:52:39,349 --> 02:52:41,392
you're doing the final background check.

3297
02:52:41,392 --> 02:52:43,792
You're looking at,

3298
02:52:44,729 --> 02:52:47,774
resources at the end of the process.

3299
02:52:47,774 --> 02:52:49,250
And I'm curious.

3300
02:52:49,250 --> 02:52:50,234
I mean, this is another way.

3301
02:52:50,234 --> 02:52:54,322
If you wanted to get writings, writing issues, you could ask for writing samples.

3302
02:52:54,322 --> 02:52:56,949
That's not going to ruffle a lawyer's feathers.

3303
02:52:56,949 --> 02:52:58,326
They would have things.

3304
02:52:58,326 --> 02:53:00,620
Yeah, but we we don't do it because we don't like it to

3305
02:53:00,620 --> 02:53:03,289
be pre-prepared by. Could be somebody else is doing it.

3306
02:53:03,289 --> 02:53:06,793
We like to see the the actual product being developed here.

3307
02:53:06,793 --> 02:53:08,200
Okay.

3308
02:53:08,200 --> 02:53:12,465
I'm assume they have good writing samples. But in terms of checking

3309
02:53:12,465 --> 02:53:13,758
references,

3310
02:53:13,758 --> 02:53:16,552
Bethany, you typically do that at the end of the process?

3311
02:53:16,552 --> 02:53:19,680
We do, we typically check references

3312
02:53:19,680 --> 02:53:22,975
once a finalist has been named

3313
02:53:22,975 --> 02:53:26,604
simply because the reference check process is fairly extensive.

3314
02:53:26,604 --> 02:53:30,358
We ask we try to talk with at least three people,

3315
02:53:30,358 --> 02:53:32,358
including current supervisor.

3316
02:53:33,820 --> 02:53:36,739
Could be more for a city attorney candidate,

3317
02:53:36,739 --> 02:53:40,760
depending on where they've worked and how many positions they've had.

3318
02:53:40,760 --> 02:53:42,954
And the the conversations are fairly extensive.

3319
02:53:42,954 --> 02:53:44,664
We ask for a lot of information,

3320
02:53:44,664 --> 02:53:49,430
and sometimes it takes a while to hear back from the references.

3321
02:53:49,430 --> 02:53:54,590
So it could take a week or two to get through one candidate's references.

3322
02:53:54,590 --> 02:53:58,344
So if we were to do that with a larger pool, it could be,

3323
02:53:58,344 --> 02:53:59,554
so right, time consuming.

3324
02:53:59,554 --> 02:54:02,390
Or if we did it earlier in the process with more people.

3325
02:54:02,390 --> 02:54:06,561
So we typically do it once a finalist has been identified,

3326
02:54:06,561 --> 02:54:10,690
and then once the references come back and they're good,

3327
02:54:10,690 --> 02:54:14,861
then we issue a conditional offer and then begin the background check process.

3328
02:54:14,861 --> 02:54:16,362
So very rarely get three files.

3329
02:54:16,362 --> 02:54:19,866
You do you check the background or references in all three.

3330
02:54:19,866 --> 02:54:21,325
You usually go for the one year.

3331
02:54:21,325 --> 02:54:23,578
It could affect the employment,

3332
02:54:23,578 --> 02:54:26,664
status of the individual if they're found to be looking for a job.

3333
02:54:26,664 --> 02:54:28,833
But let's say we're down to two that are tied or

3334
02:54:28,833 --> 02:54:30,710
we just don't know how to break the tie.

3335
02:54:30,710 --> 02:54:32,628
You might do a second reference check, right?

3336
02:54:32,628 --> 02:54:34,797
If that’ll pull them into the lead.

3337
02:54:34,797 --> 02:54:35,840
Normally we stay with the first person,

3338
02:54:35,840 --> 02:54:39,594
if they stand out, focus on that person only.

3339
02:54:39,594 --> 02:54:42,972
Okay, that's helpful. Thank you.

3340
02:54:42,972 --> 02:54:43,514
Okay.

3341
02:54:43,514 --> 02:54:45,514
Anything else?

3342
02:54:45,683 --> 02:54:48,352
Thank you for your efforts.

3343
02:54:48,352 --> 02:54:51,352
And so you're gonna

3344
02:54:51,856 --> 02:54:53,856
anticipate, issuing this

3345
02:54:53,900 --> 02:54:54,609
here pretty soon.

3346
02:54:54,609 --> 02:54:55,670
That right?

3347
02:54:55,670 --> 02:54:58,613
Or you're thinking or waiting a little bit here.

3348
02:54:58,613 --> 02:55:00,740
The plan is to begin

3349
02:55:00,740 --> 02:55:03,740
advertising the position May 1st.

3350
02:55:03,868 --> 02:55:09,290
And so we'll create a recruitment brochure in April

3351
02:55:09,290 --> 02:55:13,836
and then post the position May 1st, run that for 30 days

3352
02:55:13,836 --> 02:55:17,798
and then start working through the applicants

3353
02:55:17,798 --> 02:55:21,260
so we can stick to the schedule as much as possible.

3354
02:55:21,260 --> 02:55:26,516
I tried to leave as much room in the schedule as possible to account

3355
02:55:26,516 --> 02:55:29,560
for, you know, if people are on vacation

3356
02:55:29,560 --> 02:55:33,439
and we can't get people in, or if you

3357
02:55:33,439 --> 02:55:36,859
find that you want to bring five people in for onsite interviews,

3358
02:55:36,859 --> 02:55:38,528
we just need to spread things out a little bit.

3359
02:55:38,528 --> 02:55:42,698
So this is a tentative schedule depending on how many candidates we have.

3360
02:55:42,698 --> 02:55:45,117
And Bethany where do you post this?

3361
02:55:45,117 --> 02:55:48,287
So this will be posted on the city's website.

3362
02:55:48,287 --> 02:55:51,820
And then there are a number of,

3363
02:55:51,820 --> 02:55:53,751
other websites that scrape the city's website.

3364
02:55:53,751 --> 02:55:56,504
So Indeed we can do a sponsored posting on

3365
02:55:56,504 --> 02:56:00,800
Indeed, most of our applications come from those places.

3366
02:56:00,800 --> 02:56:04,554
But then we've also identified a number of alumni association.

3367
02:56:04,554 --> 02:56:09,809
So with Iowa State University of Iowa, Drake Law Schools,

3368
02:56:09,809 --> 02:56:12,562
there's the International Municipal Lawyers Association,

3369
02:56:12,562 --> 02:56:16,315
Iowa League of Cities, and if there are any other places

3370
02:56:16,315 --> 02:56:20,987
that we can identify to push the posting will absolutely do that as well.

3371
02:56:20,987 --> 02:56:21,279
Yeah.

3372
02:56:21,279 --> 02:56:24,949
So the Iowa Bar Association and, Mark can help.

3373
02:56:24,949 --> 02:56:25,575
I, I'm

3374
02:56:25,575 --> 02:56:31,380
not connected with the Municipal Attorneys Association, but Mark could help with,

3375
02:56:31,380 --> 02:56:32,790
finding a way to post there.

3376
02:56:32,790 --> 02:56:36,919
I do like the fact that you're posting on the Iowa League of Cities as well, but,

3377
02:56:36,919 --> 02:56:40,470
definitely the bar and the Municipal Attorneys Association.

3378
02:56:40,470 --> 02:56:41,132
Yeah.

3379
02:56:41,132 --> 02:56:43,132
Great.

3380
02:56:44,302 --> 02:56:45,136
Well, exciting.

3381
02:56:45,136 --> 02:56:48,764
Oh, and I think be helpful too, as you're working through this if there a way to kind of

3382
02:56:48,764 --> 02:56:53,436
block out what you think might be some potential council meeting.

3383
02:56:53,436 --> 02:56:55,229
Or when you might like.

3384
02:56:55,229 --> 02:56:57,565
One is is there I know that us in the summer

3385
02:56:57,565 --> 02:56:59,317
people have got vacation as well.

3386
02:56:59,317 --> 02:57:00,651
And so we're just trying to make sure

3387
02:57:00,651 --> 02:57:04,655
we can hopefully get all six council members involved with,

3388
02:57:04,655 --> 02:57:09,535
you know, all seven of us being involved and avoid some potential,

3389
02:57:09,535 --> 02:57:13,800
you know, hiccups or pitfalls, essentially.

3390
02:57:13,800 --> 02:57:13,456
Okay.

3391
02:57:13,456 --> 02:57:15,456
All right.

3392
02:57:16,125 --> 02:57:17,251
Thank you very much.

3393
02:57:17,251 --> 02:57:17,627
Thank you,

3394
02:57:17,627 --> 02:57:21,227
Brian. Move on to, item number

3395
02:57:23,174 --> 02:57:25,174
41 expanding

3396
02:57:27,261 --> 02:57:29,661
or establishing park boundaries.

3397
02:57:34,518 --> 02:57:36,771
Well, I'm honored that you saved the best for last.

3398
02:57:36,771 --> 02:57:37,730
Absolutely.

3399
02:57:37,730 --> 02:57:42,530
I mean, well, we actually still have ordinances.

3400
02:57:43,277 --> 02:57:46,614
So, with this, I'm not going to spend a lot of time

3401
02:57:46,614 --> 02:57:48,115
going through through anything.

3402
02:57:48,115 --> 02:57:50,743
All the information was there.

3403
02:57:50,743 --> 02:57:51,827
I do have slides.

3404
02:57:51,827 --> 02:57:54,246
If you have a specific question about something.

3405
02:57:54,246 --> 02:57:58,918
Otherwise, you know, we are taking care of these, properties already.

3406
02:57:58,918 --> 02:58:04,600
They're adjacent to existing parks, except for, for Delaware.

3407
02:58:04,600 --> 02:58:06,500
And, you know, we're mowing.

3408
02:58:06,500 --> 02:58:09,720
We're we're snow- plowing snow.

3409
02:58:09,720 --> 02:58:13,224
We're managing the areas, we're cleaning up the areas and so on.

3410
02:58:13,224 --> 02:58:17,190
And really with this is by expanding

3411
02:58:17,190 --> 02:58:20,619
the park boundaries or establishing greenways.

3412
02:58:21,107 --> 02:58:24,735
All of these areas will now have a set of standards,

3413
02:58:24,735 --> 02:58:27,405
our park rules or park ordinances

3414
02:58:27,405 --> 02:58:30,741
and, clear expectations for, the users.

3415
02:58:30,741 --> 02:58:36,414
So with that said, I would entertain any questions if anybody has any.

3416
02:58:36,414 --> 02:58:37,456
So this all makes sense.

3417
02:58:37,456 --> 02:58:41,585
I, I was curious, do we have inventories

3418
02:58:41,585 --> 02:58:46,480
of other properties that we might logically consider this for.

3419
02:58:46,480 --> 02:58:50,678
Or is this sort of taking care of, of that group?

3420
02:58:50,678 --> 02:58:52,763
This is when we went through

3421
02:58:52,763 --> 02:58:56,559
and we looked at all of this, this is what we came up with.

3422
02:58:56,559 --> 02:59:00,479
We we don’t- that there wasn't any other areas that we could think of

3423
02:59:00,479 --> 02:59:04,191
that we might want to entertain, to, to do this. So.

3424
02:59:04,191 --> 02:59:06,736
So these are the areas that we're, we're suggesting.

3425
02:59:06,736 --> 02:59:08,736
Okay, thanks. Yeah.

3426
02:59:08,904 --> 02:59:11,782
I’d ask the same question to actually about if we

3427
02:59:11,782 --> 02:59:15,202
if we should consider some other sort of catchall

3428
02:59:15,202 --> 02:59:18,998
phrasing to catch any we're not thinking of either now

3429
02:59:18,998 --> 02:59:23,210
or future areas, but it sounds like that's not a concern.

3430
02:59:23,210 --> 02:59:26,297
Or you think that we'd be able to go back and catch them at the time

3431
02:59:26,297 --> 02:59:28,132
and future areas.

3432
02:59:28,132 --> 02:59:31,969
We will define more clearly when they come into this-

3433
02:59:31,969 --> 02:59:34,513
the city. Is that our idea there?

3434
02:59:34,513 --> 02:59:39,435
If we have additional parks or additional green space, you know, like.

3435
02:59:39,435 --> 02:59:41,353
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

3436
02:59:41,353 --> 02:59:44,690
No, I think, you know, there's always opportunity that if,

3437
02:59:44,690 --> 02:59:49,695
you know, as the community grows, you know, maybe there's, hey,

3438
02:59:49,695 --> 02:59:55,618
this greenway, would make sense to, to to do something or we're going to add,

3439
02:59:55,618 --> 02:59:58,180
well, just for example,

3440
02:59:58,370 --> 03:00:02,958
when we get the connection from Lincoln way to South 16th.

3441
03:00:02,958 --> 03:00:04,376
Sure. All right.

3442
03:00:04,376 --> 03:00:09,465
That area would say, hey, that now becomes part of the the Greenway.

3443
03:00:09,465 --> 03:00:12,510
So, so there will be there will be places

3444
03:00:12,510 --> 03:00:15,950
or there will be areas that, will come up in the future.

3445
03:00:15,950 --> 03:00:19,683
And I think we addressed those when they, when they happen.

3446
03:00:19,683 --> 03:00:20,142
Okay.

3447
03:00:20,142 --> 03:00:22,142
Any questions?

3448
03:00:23,395 --> 03:00:24,438
Open up public comment.

3449
03:00:24,438 --> 03:00:29,360
Does anyone want address council on this topic tonight?

3450
03:00:29,360 --> 03:00:30,444
I guess our recommendation

3451
03:00:30,444 --> 03:00:34,448
is number alternative one. Close public input.

3452
03:00:34,448 --> 03:00:37,576
Is there a motion? Move alternative one. I’ll second.

3453
03:00:37,576 --> 03:00:39,976
Thank you. Roll call.

3454
03:00:40,996 --> 03:00:43,396
Betcher? Aye. Junck? Aye.

3455
03:00:44,208 --> 03:00:46,608
Corrieri? Aye. Rollins? Aye.

3456
03:00:47,795 --> 03:00:50,795
Beatty- Hansen? Aye. Gartin? Aye.

3457
03:00:51,590 --> 03:00:55,135
Very good, all right that he that one question do do we have a date

3458
03:00:55,135 --> 03:00:59,390
I haven't seen a date yet for ribbon cutting for the Fitch aquatic center.

3459
03:00:59,390 --> 03:01:02,170
Do you have anything to announce tonight on that.

3460
03:01:02,170 --> 03:01:06,689
We do not because there's a few items that we are working through that,

3461
03:01:06,689 --> 03:01:11,902
that have come up, which was, some of them were highlighted in, the monthly update.

3462
03:01:11,902 --> 03:01:14,302
So, so there is,

3463
03:01:14,697 --> 03:01:15,114
the heated

3464
03:01:15,114 --> 03:01:18,200
sidewalk out front that we need to take care of.

3465
03:01:18,200 --> 03:01:20,202
There’s still the

3466
03:01:20,202 --> 03:01:23,873
replacing the glass to the sidewalk in the southwest corner

3467
03:01:23,873 --> 03:01:27,835
and, and, through the discussions, what we'd really like to, to do

3468
03:01:27,835 --> 03:01:31,255
is, is get all of those items done

3469
03:01:31,255 --> 03:01:35,926
and then open, because if we open too soon and we can't get those items done,

3470
03:01:35,926 --> 03:01:39,305
then we're going to have to either close or affect operation.

3471
03:01:39,305 --> 03:01:42,683
So so through conversations with the city manager,

3472
03:01:42,683 --> 03:01:46,103
we have decided let's get these things done and then open.

3473
03:01:46,103 --> 03:01:49,106
So we're still thinking maybe the end of April,

3474
03:01:49,106 --> 03:01:52,192
but but I have another meeting tomorrow afternoon.

3475
03:01:52,192 --> 03:01:53,110
For an update.

3476
03:01:53,110 --> 03:01:56,655
And as soon as we know we will get that information out.

3477
03:01:56,655 --> 03:01:58,616
Thank you so much. Yep.

3478
03:01:58,616 --> 03:02:01,327
And again, I would just remind that we are doing that,

3479
03:02:01,327 --> 03:02:05,873
you know, donor preview next week, Tuesday. So,

3480
03:02:05,873 --> 03:02:09,460
hopefully everybody can can make it 4 to 6.

3481
03:02:09,460 --> 03:02:14,298
5:00 is, a short program, but again, that is just for the donors.

3482
03:02:14,298 --> 03:02:17,885
It's not a public event.

3483
03:02:17,885 --> 03:02:18,344
Right.

3484
03:02:18,344 --> 03:02:20,721
So move on to this next one. Yep.

3485
03:02:20,721 --> 03:02:22,973
All right. With this,

3486
03:02:22,973 --> 03:02:24,767
I'm not going to go through all the history.

3487
03:02:24,767 --> 03:02:27,186
You see, the council understands that.

3488
03:02:27,186 --> 03:02:29,688
But I just do want to, you know, mention.

3489
03:02:29,688 --> 03:02:33,275
So, we did, like we've talked before,

3490
03:02:33,275 --> 03:02:38,197
this is the mock up panel that, they have, the right side of

3491
03:02:38,197 --> 03:02:43,619
it is not detergent washed or anything along those lines on the left side.

3492
03:02:43,619 --> 03:02:48,916
The top, panel, was detergent washed and then three colors

3493
03:02:48,916 --> 03:02:53,170
that we picked out is Rushing River, which was again, the color

3494
03:02:53,170 --> 03:02:58,217
that was to be the integral color for the this, these panels.

3495
03:02:58,217 --> 03:02:59,510
So that's, that one.

3496
03:02:59,510 --> 03:03:03,347
And then silver lining was another one, and the bottom one was cement.

3497
03:03:03,347 --> 03:03:05,474
So this kind of gives you,

3498
03:03:05,474 --> 03:03:07,434
the three colors together.

3499
03:03:07,434 --> 03:03:10,434
And then also against, the,

3500
03:03:12,640 --> 03:03:15,985
the, the non natatorium area, which is on the left side.

3501
03:03:15,985 --> 03:03:20,114
So, so again, just with this picture, you know, this is what it,

3502
03:03:20,114 --> 03:03:23,409
looks like this picture was just taken to, to today.

3503
03:03:23,409 --> 03:03:28,122
Just to give you an idea, we've talked about the, the mottling,

3504
03:03:28,122 --> 03:03:32,626
the the blotchy look, all those kinds of things.

3505
03:03:32,626 --> 03:03:34,962
From our perspective, staff's perspective,

3506
03:03:34,962 --> 03:03:38,590
on sunny days, it's even worse.

3507
03:03:38,590 --> 03:03:39,925
It's more prominent.

3508
03:03:39,925 --> 03:03:43,679
And then one thing that, we did is,

3509
03:03:43,679 --> 03:03:48,392
we did have RTG do a rendering, and this is showing,

3510
03:03:48,392 --> 03:03:50,392
the Rushing River,

3511
03:03:51,145 --> 03:03:51,729
color.

3512
03:03:51,729 --> 03:03:55,399
So, so it does, darken up a little bit from what it is.

3513
03:03:55,399 --> 03:03:58,610
The, the stain itself is it's,

3514
03:03:58,610 --> 03:04:02,239
it's a penetrating, stain that's UV resistant.

3515
03:04:02,239 --> 03:04:03,741
It's water resistant.

3516
03:04:03,741 --> 03:04:05,909
There's other characteristics.

3517
03:04:05,909 --> 03:04:08,412
Those kind of give kind of an opaque look.

3518
03:04:08,412 --> 03:04:14,501
It will cover, the, the, the blemishes that are, that are on there.

3519
03:04:14,501 --> 03:04:16,879
We did, check with NawKaw,

3520
03:04:16,879 --> 03:04:19,879
who is the stain provider,

3521
03:04:19,923 --> 03:04:24,530
and we did have questions about, the warranty.

3522
03:04:24,530 --> 03:04:25,846
Because,

3523
03:04:25,846 --> 03:04:29,990
looking in into deeper, there was a question about,

3524
03:04:29,990 --> 03:04:31,101
does your project qualify?

3525
03:04:31,101 --> 03:04:35,314
So we did have conversation with the manufacturer, and they did

3526
03:04:35,314 --> 03:04:39,735
give us a written warranty for this project, saying that this,

3527
03:04:39,735 --> 03:04:43,335
will qualify for a 25 year warranty.

3528
03:04:43,989 --> 03:04:46,283
Now, there are, you know, other things.

3529
03:04:46,283 --> 03:04:49,360
If there's an earthquake or there's something

3530
03:04:49,360 --> 03:04:52,706
or if the the response that were painted and then things,

3531
03:04:52,706 --> 03:04:53,832
all of that kind of stuff.

3532
03:04:53,832 --> 03:04:57,432
There are some, some disqualifiers, but

3533
03:04:57,503 --> 03:04:59,880
so, so with it. Keith

3534
03:04:59,880 --> 03:05:04,134
on a warranty, what what does a warranty cover specifically?

3535
03:05:04,134 --> 03:05:07,134
Is it fading, peeling, chalking?

3536
03:05:07,429 --> 03:05:10,224
I mean, is it I say standard-

3537
03:05:10,224 --> 03:05:12,142
I mean, not not going into the weeds.

3538
03:05:12,142 --> 03:05:15,771
I understand that, you know, it's going to eliminate earthquakes or

3539
03:05:15,771 --> 03:05:19,358
vandalism or stuff like that, but, I mean, what are the highlights are in what?

3540
03:05:19,358 --> 03:05:22,690
So, so so in a nutshell, it talks.

3541
03:05:22,690 --> 03:05:25,155
It warrants the owner there for a period of 25 years.

3542
03:05:25,155 --> 03:05:30,285
The NawKaw product indicated above will conform to published specifications.

3543
03:05:30,285 --> 03:05:33,205
And in fact, as of the date of purchase and apply.

3544
03:05:33,205 --> 03:05:33,622
That's okay.

3545
03:05:33,622 --> 03:05:35,415
I'm sorry it's getting late. Yeah.

3546
03:05:35,415 --> 03:05:38,418
Yeah. So if staff’s satisfied that-

3547
03:05:38,418 --> 03:05:40,450
Does it cover fading?

3548
03:05:40,450 --> 03:05:44,845
Just fading, crack cracking, those kind of things?

3549
03:05:45,467 --> 03:05:49,304
And I don't know, Russ’ here from from,

3550
03:05:49,304 --> 03:05:50,722
from story construction.

3551
03:05:50,722 --> 03:05:53,475
I don't know if you know that, Russ?

3552
03:05:53,475 --> 03:05:57,521
You have to have this in writing.

3553
03:05:57,521 --> 03:06:04,121
Russ, come up and talk to here at the microphone. Or.

3554
03:06:04,361 --> 03:06:08,561
Yeah, it just, it just has limitations.

3555
03:06:08,699 --> 03:06:09,658
You know, but it doesn't.

3556
03:06:09,658 --> 03:06:13,370
The point is, is that 25 year warranty is great,

3557
03:06:13,370 --> 03:06:17,249
but if it's a cover fading

3558
03:06:17,249 --> 03:06:20,460
chalking and our word, you know, cracking, peeling,

3559
03:06:20,460 --> 03:06:24,756
the lamination, that's all covered and that's great.

3560
03:06:24,756 --> 03:06:29,303
There's probably going to be a little bit of fade and any, any color, but

3561
03:06:29,303 --> 03:06:31,130
and this has missed applications.

3562
03:06:31,130 --> 03:06:33,432
Well, then you got to go through like a specifications.

3563
03:06:33,432 --> 03:06:36,226
I'm just trying to make sure that we're being protected

3564
03:06:36,226 --> 03:06:39,354
on the basis that Council wants to go with this thing.

3565
03:06:39,354 --> 03:06:40,606
Yeah, yeah.

3566
03:06:40,606 --> 03:06:45,235
And I guess I don't I don't know, maybe it's okay just to kind of make sure

3567
03:06:45,235 --> 03:06:50,282
that it goes into it, that it'd be subject to final staff review and satisfaction.

3568
03:06:50,282 --> 03:06:52,784
I don't know, it's just right.

3569
03:06:52,784 --> 03:06:54,453
Go ahead.

3570
03:06:54,453 --> 03:06:54,703
Yeah.

3571
03:06:54,703 --> 03:06:58,415
So I'm Russ Luten and, with Story construction, our director of operations.

3572
03:06:58,415 --> 03:07:00,584
So I'm looking at the data I have here.

3573
03:07:00,584 --> 03:07:02,211
It doesn't get the level of detail.

3574
03:07:02,211 --> 03:07:04,838
I think it what your question is heading toward.

3575
03:07:04,838 --> 03:07:06,757
We have that detail.

3576
03:07:06,757 --> 03:07:10,344
I can't tell you specifically exactly everything and how it's covered.

3577
03:07:10,344 --> 03:07:13,972
So I think we can provide that to Keith and make sure that

3578
03:07:13,972 --> 03:07:17,590
it's meeting the expectations that you have.

3579
03:07:17,590 --> 03:07:20,479
So so it does it does say on here when applied according to printed

3580
03:07:20,479 --> 03:07:23,232
instructions, will be free from defects in materials

3581
03:07:23,232 --> 03:07:26,568
which result in fading, flaking or peeling.

3582
03:07:26,568 --> 03:07:27,402
So I don't know if

3583
03:07:27,402 --> 03:07:31,823
that helps you and from, from that that's the right.

3584
03:07:31,823 --> 03:07:35,327
But so, so so with, with this,

3585
03:07:35,327 --> 03:07:38,327
you know, the staff recommendation,

3586
03:07:39,164 --> 03:07:44,544
is the alternative one, which would be to, to go with stain,

3587
03:07:44,544 --> 03:07:47,470
which is the, the Russian River.

3588
03:07:47,470 --> 03:07:50,801
That is the color that, was originally,

3589
03:07:50,801 --> 03:07:55,514
selected, you know, for this and the integral color,

3590
03:07:55,514 --> 03:07:59,601
but, you know, if Council wanted to, to do something else, you know, one of the

3591
03:07:59,601 --> 03:08:03,855
I think option three is, getting the credit.

3592
03:08:03,855 --> 03:08:09,611
That's, we're talking about $52,000 in the for the cost of the services.

3593
03:08:09,611 --> 03:08:12,611
Take the money and run.

3594
03:08:12,990 --> 03:08:13,448
All right.

3595
03:08:13,448 --> 03:08:15,448
Discussion questions.

3596
03:08:17,411 --> 03:08:19,411
I, I,

3597
03:08:19,413 --> 03:08:23,000
I like the option where we just take the money personally.

3598
03:08:23,000 --> 03:08:24,501
That's my my preference.

3599
03:08:24,501 --> 03:08:26,300
I don't think it looks that bad, and I'm not.

3600
03:08:26,300 --> 03:08:32,592
I've not heard one citizen complain about the look of the building thing. So,

3601
03:08:32,592 --> 03:08:33,468
that that's kind of my

3602
03:08:33,468 --> 03:08:37,472
preference to save, say, that money something, but.

3603
03:08:37,472 --> 03:08:40,726
Okay, so you said you haven't had anybody, right?

3604
03:08:40,726 --> 03:08:41,351
Okay. Yep.

3605
03:08:41,351 --> 03:08:43,520
Not one person. And people ask about it.

3606
03:08:43,520 --> 03:08:45,188
I mean

3607
03:08:45,188 --> 03:08:46,189
it. Yeah.

3608
03:08:46,189 --> 03:08:47,899
They've been

3609
03:08:47,899 --> 03:08:49,276
they don't know unless you tell them.

3610
03:08:49,276 --> 03:08:50,110
Yeah, exactly.

3611
03:08:50,110 --> 03:08:52,404
They're like oh yeah okay I guess maybe.

3612
03:08:52,404 --> 03:08:55,365
But I mean if did I didn't know till it was discussed here.

3613
03:08:55,365 --> 03:08:59,870
I didn't know it is as we have had people come to us and say,

3614
03:08:59,870 --> 03:09:02,956
are you going to do anything else with, you know, there's a lot of people.

3615
03:09:02,956 --> 03:09:04,666
No, but but we have had

3616
03:09:04,666 --> 03:09:08,628
people come to us and say, are you going to do anything else with,

3617
03:09:08,628 --> 03:09:12,924
with the, the building if you told them how much we.

3618
03:09:12,924 --> 03:09:15,802
Well, I don't know if he told them the funding

3619
03:09:15,802 --> 03:09:17,929
that was involved or that we got back, I don't know.

3620
03:09:17,929 --> 03:09:21,516
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it again.

3621
03:09:21,516 --> 03:09:24,190
I could be talked out of that, but,

3622
03:09:24,190 --> 03:09:24,978
so why don't.

3623
03:09:24,978 --> 03:09:26,978
So technical question.

3624
03:09:27,981 --> 03:09:29,274
Would we want to also

3625
03:09:29,274 --> 03:09:32,277
make sure that we acquire enough of this paint?

3626
03:09:32,277 --> 03:09:35,364
I mean, you wouldn't want this paint to go out of production or something.

3627
03:09:35,364 --> 03:09:41,578
So would that be part of our plan here is if we go with alternative one,

3628
03:09:41,578 --> 03:09:44,122
then we would also secure a certain

3629
03:09:44,122 --> 03:09:47,122
amount of supply of this

3630
03:09:47,334 --> 03:09:49,440
typically is

3631
03:09:49,440 --> 03:09:53,423
typically that wouldn't be something we we'd probably have some if there was a,

3632
03:09:53,423 --> 03:09:57,940
touch up or something that we, we needed to do.

3633
03:09:57,940 --> 03:10:01,640
But but typically we wouldn't, we wouldn't secure enough product.

3634
03:10:01,640 --> 03:10:06,686
So when we need to do it in 25 years from, from now that we would do that.

3635
03:10:06,686 --> 03:10:09,314
Okay. But you may just be a different slightly different color.

3636
03:10:09,314 --> 03:10:12,651
And, and Russ might be able to speak to this as well.

3637
03:10:12,651 --> 03:10:16,710
But I'm going to guess the way it is right now if,

3638
03:10:16,710 --> 03:10:20,700
if you have the the the specifications for a color,

3639
03:10:20,700 --> 03:10:25,247
you can you can just about get any, any color made whenever you want.

3640
03:10:25,247 --> 03:10:25,664
Okay.

3641
03:10:25,664 --> 03:10:25,997
All right.

3642
03:10:25,997 --> 03:10:28,397
So gray tone colors.

3643
03:10:29,835 --> 03:10:31,128
And the last grading color.

3644
03:10:31,128 --> 03:10:33,296
Right I think I'm imagining it.

3645
03:10:33,296 --> 03:10:35,696
You okay? Great. Thanks.

3646
03:10:35,966 --> 03:10:43,166
So if if we don't do anything, are we sure that

3647
03:10:43,181 --> 03:10:47,352
the concrete hasn't been sealed yet?

3648
03:10:47,352 --> 03:10:49,813
And if we aren’t going to do anything,

3649
03:10:49,813 --> 03:10:52,813
should we be sealing it?

3650
03:10:53,567 --> 03:10:54,317
Yeah.

3651
03:10:54,317 --> 03:10:57,195
So so the, the there is.

3652
03:10:57,195 --> 03:11:00,157
No, I don't believe there's a sealer on this concrete.

3653
03:11:00,157 --> 03:11:05,328
No, I don't believe it was, detergent washed after it was formed

3654
03:11:05,328 --> 03:11:08,832
and installed was detergent washed, but

3655
03:11:08,832 --> 03:11:12,169
there has been no sealer on of this.

3656
03:11:12,169 --> 03:11:15,769
Were we expecting that the stain,

3657
03:11:16,798 --> 03:11:19,634
if it were integrated into the concrete,

3658
03:11:19,634 --> 03:11:23,805
would have been acting as a sealant

3659
03:11:23,805 --> 03:11:25,980
to the concrete?

3660
03:11:25,980 --> 03:11:27,851
Or is this just a non-issue?

3661
03:11:27,851 --> 03:11:31,730
Yeah, I don't think it's an issue with the performance of the concrete itself.

3662
03:11:31,730 --> 03:11:32,272
Issues.

3663
03:11:32,272 --> 03:11:36,109
Stripping didn't have the right color in the color mix, and

3664
03:11:36,109 --> 03:11:38,695
but the performance of the concrete should be fine too.

3665
03:11:38,695 --> 03:11:40,695
There's.

3666
03:11:42,199 --> 03:11:43,492
Keith, from the

3667
03:11:43,492 --> 03:11:45,892
esthetic standpoint, is RDG

3668
03:11:46,119 --> 03:11:48,519
recommending it be stained

3669
03:11:49,915 --> 03:11:52,709
because they believe it's going to

3670
03:11:52,709 --> 03:11:54,419
be better in terms of appearance.

3671
03:11:54,419 --> 03:11:58,423
I meet the design, vision or is it?

3672
03:11:58,423 --> 03:12:02,844
They just said that they were just assigning responsibility in their letter,

3673
03:12:02,844 --> 03:12:07,224
just saying that it's it's blotchy and,

3674
03:12:07,224 --> 03:12:09,224
you know,

3675
03:12:09,601 --> 03:12:12,270
they're just saying that should be stained at the cost of the contractor.

3676
03:12:12,270 --> 03:12:14,397
Yeah. You know, you know which way that is.

3677
03:12:14,397 --> 03:12:15,106
Yeah.

3678
03:12:15,106 --> 03:12:20,320
No, I think they're they're recommendation was to was to the stain.

3679
03:12:20,320 --> 03:12:23,823
You know, from the aesthetic standpoint.

3680
03:12:23,823 --> 03:12:25,492
Right.

3681
03:12:25,492 --> 03:12:27,492
All right.

3682
03:12:28,578 --> 03:12:31,498
I'm going to go ahead and move alternative one.

3683
03:12:31,498 --> 03:12:32,123
I have some reasons.

3684
03:12:32,123 --> 03:12:38,123
But let's see if anyone is there a second.

3685
03:12:38,129 --> 03:12:39,589
Motion died by lack of a second.

3686
03:12:39,589 --> 03:12:43,134
Is there a motion I mean this. Well, yeah.

3687
03:12:43,134 --> 03:12:46,304
Well I mean this is a very prominent building in our community.

3688
03:12:46,304 --> 03:12:49,266
It's a it's a gateway building and I want it to look nice.

3689
03:12:49,266 --> 03:12:52,769
I mean, if you don't paint your shed in the back of your house, who cares?

3690
03:12:52,769 --> 03:12:55,522
But this is a front door,

3691
03:12:55,522 --> 03:12:57,691
building a prominent thoroughfare.

3692
03:12:57,691 --> 03:12:58,660
How come?

3693
03:12:58,660 --> 03:13:00,443
How can we not make it the way it's supposed to look?

3694
03:13:00,443 --> 03:13:05,115
This is, and the $52,000 in the big scheme of this project

3695
03:13:05,115 --> 03:13:08,535
is we shouldn't be arguing about $52,000.

3696
03:13:08,535 --> 03:13:10,704
Let's get the project we want. The way and way.

3697
03:13:10,704 --> 03:13:12,581
It's design, the way it should look.

3698
03:13:12,581 --> 03:13:14,624
Good aesthetics are important.

3699
03:13:14,624 --> 03:13:16,918
All right, move second in.

3700
03:13:16,918 --> 03:13:19,400
I do think it would really

3701
03:13:19,400 --> 03:13:21,464
finish off a very beautiful project.

3702
03:13:21,464 --> 03:13:22,966
Essentially. Okay.

3703
03:13:22,966 --> 03:13:24,966
So my concern

3704
03:13:25,760 --> 03:13:30,557
is that if we do stain it, it's still not going to look like

3705
03:13:30,557 --> 03:13:34,269
it was supposed to look, because we will get

3706
03:13:34,269 --> 03:13:37,105
the modeling coming through the stain.

3707
03:13:37,105 --> 03:13:39,399
And at that point we sealed the concrete.

3708
03:13:39,399 --> 03:13:42,652
And I don't know what we can do about it after that.

3709
03:13:42,652 --> 03:13:45,520
Whereas, you know, taking

3710
03:13:45,739 --> 03:13:49,340
the breather, leaving it as it is and seeing

3711
03:13:49,340 --> 03:13:54,497
if it improves at all at least gives us that opportunity.

3712
03:13:54,497 --> 03:13:57,709
And maybe it will look better.

3713
03:13:57,709 --> 03:14:02,509
But I hate to close off that option

3714
03:14:02,631 --> 03:14:06,551
and then end up with something that looks worse than it does now,

3715
03:14:06,551 --> 03:14:09,137
because it's not going to be what we requested.

3716
03:14:09,137 --> 03:14:10,930
It's not integrated.

3717
03:14:10,930 --> 03:14:11,848
Can you comment on that

3718
03:14:11,848 --> 03:14:13,975
in terms of the type of stain that's being put on there?

3719
03:14:13,975 --> 03:14:17,145
And will it be, will it be basically be concealing

3720
03:14:17,145 --> 03:14:21,816
all the blemishes and making it completely homogenous and uniform and color?

3721
03:14:21,816 --> 03:14:22,108
Yeah.

3722
03:14:22,108 --> 03:14:25,403
Looking you can do with the yeah.

3723
03:14:25,403 --> 03:14:28,698
Looking at the mock up, it's done a pretty fair job of that,

3724
03:14:28,698 --> 03:14:32,535
giving it that consistent like consistent look without the modeling is

3725
03:14:32,535 --> 03:14:34,371
is no longer visible.

3726
03:14:34,371 --> 03:14:35,997
And the mockups out to be seen.

3727
03:14:35,997 --> 03:14:40,430
If you wanted to inspect it, I stopped by, I stopped today

3728
03:14:40,430 --> 03:14:43,797
and I was trying to determine if there was as much market

3729
03:14:43,797 --> 03:14:48,134
to Gloria's Point Park or, you know, camouflage appearance.

3730
03:14:48,134 --> 03:14:49,469
Essentially.

3731
03:14:49,469 --> 03:14:52,970
And I couldn't tell if it was or wasn't.

3732
03:14:52,970 --> 03:14:56,267
And the I guess the question is good, a small test panel and,

3733
03:14:56,267 --> 03:14:59,187
like below the slide where you're not going to see it

3734
03:14:59,187 --> 03:15:02,691
when there is a lot of modeling and if it doesn't,

3735
03:15:02,691 --> 03:15:05,402
I mean, if it if it doesn't cover it.

3736
03:15:05,402 --> 03:15:06,403
Right.

3737
03:15:06,403 --> 03:15:10,730
I'm just I would agree that I've been apprehensive.

3738
03:15:10,730 --> 03:15:11,116
I went out there, looked at it,

3739
03:15:11,116 --> 03:15:15,370
and I understand that it's actually a solid opaque stain.

3740
03:15:15,370 --> 03:15:17,122
It's not your standard wood stain.

3741
03:15:17,122 --> 03:15:20,125
It's actually designed with a high solid content,

3742
03:15:20,125 --> 03:15:25,296
which is designed to give a homogenous appearance. But

3743
03:15:25,296 --> 03:15:26,589
just we don't

3744
03:15:26,589 --> 03:15:31,594
put this on and find out you got, oh, we got dark gray and light gray pockmarks

3745
03:15:31,594 --> 03:15:35,557
instead of light gray and light gray or little darker pockmarks.

3746
03:15:35,557 --> 03:15:36,891
I mean,

3747
03:15:36,891 --> 03:15:38,935
I yeah, I understand what you're saying.

3748
03:15:38,935 --> 03:15:42,210
Yeah. We we had a conversation this morning.

3749
03:15:42,210 --> 03:15:46,192
We had the OEC meeting and, and RDG,

3750
03:15:46,192 --> 03:15:49,154
because we, we did talk about this a little bit

3751
03:15:49,154 --> 03:15:52,154
and RDG did indicate that,

3752
03:15:53,116 --> 03:15:57,287
their, their impression is that because for all those reasons

3753
03:15:57,287 --> 03:16:02,709
that you just said kind of a penetrating, opaque stain that it will cover

3754
03:16:02,709 --> 03:16:06,254
and will have that consistent look, that's what RDG said.

3755
03:16:06,254 --> 03:16:08,506
Now to your second point, mayor.

3756
03:16:08,506 --> 03:16:11,551
One of the things that we have talked about at times,

3757
03:16:11,551 --> 03:16:15,764
not necessarily under the slide or under there,

3758
03:16:15,764 --> 03:16:19,100
but up on the on the north side,

3759
03:16:19,100 --> 03:16:22,854
you know, we do have the, the screen,

3760
03:16:22,854 --> 03:16:27,660
the screening that winds up covering all of the mechanical equipment.

3761
03:16:27,660 --> 03:16:30,862
So we could easily do a pretty large section

3762
03:16:30,862 --> 03:16:33,948
where there's modeling, like what's on the south side.

3763
03:16:33,948 --> 03:16:35,450
Right.

3764
03:16:35,450 --> 03:16:35,825
Yeah.

3765
03:16:35,825 --> 03:16:37,160
And we could do,

3766
03:16:37,160 --> 03:16:41,623
we could do a section up there and say, all right, let's take a look at this,

3767
03:16:41,623 --> 03:16:46,711
do a much bigger area and then say, hey, does that does it cover.

3768
03:16:46,711 --> 03:16:51,883
And if it and then at that point if, if Council says,

3769
03:16:51,883 --> 03:16:55,345
hey, we like it, let's move ahead or no, we don't like it.

3770
03:16:55,345 --> 03:16:57,305
Let's, let's not do it.

3771
03:16:57,305 --> 03:16:59,182
People aren't going to see that because,

3772
03:16:59,182 --> 03:17:01,392
it's green and you're finding a secure area.

3773
03:17:01,392 --> 03:17:02,894
So that's a problem.

3774
03:17:02,894 --> 03:17:08,240
So if you wanted to to take one more step and say it, let's,

3775
03:17:08,240 --> 03:17:11,820
let's do a test spot on the back of the building.

3776
03:17:11,820 --> 03:17:14,820
We can easily do that.

3777
03:17:15,156 --> 03:17:16,157
Okay.

3778
03:17:16,157 --> 03:17:20,537
One other argument I'd make in favor of the standing is that,

3779
03:17:20,537 --> 03:17:25,375
I think we have a duty to the taxpayers, citizens of the community,

3780
03:17:25,375 --> 03:17:29,295
and also the donors who contributed money with anticipation.

3781
03:17:29,295 --> 03:17:30,630
This is going to be a building.

3782
03:17:30,630 --> 03:17:32,298
The Fitch family, they want a building

3783
03:17:32,298 --> 03:17:34,920
that's got their name on it that they feel proud of.

3784
03:17:34,920 --> 03:17:38,304
And I, I think this is a minor thing that we can do to help honor that.

3785
03:17:38,304 --> 03:17:40,304
That donation.

3786
03:17:40,765 --> 03:17:41,558
All right.

3787
03:17:41,558 --> 03:17:42,809
Moved and seconded.

3788
03:17:42,809 --> 03:17:43,226
Okay.

3789
03:17:43,226 --> 03:17:45,895
All those in favor of the motion, please say,

3790
03:17:45,895 --> 03:17:49,732
that immediately staining the whole building or is.

3791
03:17:49,732 --> 03:17:50,483
Yeah, that's a good thing.

3792
03:17:50,483 --> 03:17:56,300
And what Keith has suggested testing it somewhere to see

3793
03:17:56,300 --> 03:17:58,157
whether it actually covers.

3794
03:17:58,157 --> 03:18:02,662
Well, what's what if I do this?

3795
03:18:02,662 --> 03:18:07,125
I will, withdraw my motion and do a little variation on this.

3796
03:18:07,125 --> 03:18:09,294
I would move that.

3797
03:18:09,294 --> 03:18:11,694
We authorize, alternative one

3798
03:18:13,600 --> 03:18:16,551
and that if in the process,

3799
03:18:16,551 --> 03:18:21,351
we would, empower staff to do a test,

3800
03:18:21,681 --> 03:18:24,684
run of this and, and if they feel that

3801
03:18:24,684 --> 03:18:28,210
it is unsatisfactory, then they would come back and report that.

3802
03:18:28,210 --> 03:18:31,816
And with the Council, you get that every second

3803
03:18:31,816 --> 03:18:33,816
here. Second.

3804
03:18:33,860 --> 03:18:35,278
All right.

3805
03:18:35,278 --> 03:18:40,575
Those in favor of the motion say aye, Aye,

3806
03:18:40,575 --> 03:18:42,975
any opposed or abstaining,

3807
03:18:43,661 --> 03:18:44,787
motion carried.

3808
03:18:44,787 --> 03:18:47,957
I think this is a good solution to, try up there on top

3809
03:18:47,957 --> 03:18:52,879
and get a bigger area and find some modeling and go from there.

3810
03:18:52,879 --> 03:18:53,212
All right.

3811
03:18:53,212 --> 03:18:56,812
Thank you, thank you, thank you.

3812
03:18:57,800 --> 03:18:59,800
All right

3813
03:19:00,970 --> 03:19:03,473
up, for that last one.

3814
03:19:03,473 --> 03:19:04,570
Are you.

3815
03:19:04,570 --> 03:19:08,257
It's authorizing the resolution to stage.

3816
03:19:08,686 --> 03:19:10,686
Oh, okay.

3817
03:19:11,220 --> 03:19:13,660
To authorize the resolution to stage

3818
03:19:13,660 --> 03:19:14,150
That's correct.

3819
03:19:14,150 --> 03:19:15,193
We got a roll call.

3820
03:19:15,193 --> 03:19:15,652
I'll read.

3821
03:19:15,652 --> 03:19:17,987
Roll quick. Sorry. She is good.

3822
03:19:17,987 --> 03:19:20,531
She is good. And she. I know.

3823
03:19:20,531 --> 03:19:22,531
Junck. Aye.

3824
03:19:23,785 --> 03:19:25,785
Corrieri. Aye.

3825
03:19:26,663 --> 03:19:28,663
Rollins. Aye.

3826
03:19:28,957 --> 03:19:31,357
Beatty-Hansen. Aye. Gartin. Aye.

3827
03:19:31,960 --> 03:19:33,211
Betcher. Aye.

3828
03:19:33,211 --> 03:19:35,964
I just think of the voice vote as being the practice

3829
03:19:35,964 --> 03:19:37,964
run the session.

3830
03:19:38,967 --> 03:19:40,969
Thank you for keeping me on the straight and narrow.

3831
03:19:40,969 --> 03:19:43,221
Okay, I know you do that. Yes. All right.

3832
03:19:43,221 --> 03:19:45,390
We got everything done up to item 51.

3833
03:19:45,390 --> 03:19:48,434
Correct? That's what I think

3834
03:19:48,434 --> 03:19:52,634
for this reason, northwestern is that way.

3835
03:19:52,647 --> 03:19:54,315
Yeah. Second.

3836
03:19:54,315 --> 03:19:55,817
Move on second.

3837
03:19:55,817 --> 03:19:56,359
All right.

3838
03:19:56,359 --> 03:19:58,759
I get all right.

3839
03:19:58,820 --> 03:20:03,324
ITem 51 to move and second in roll call.

3840
03:20:03,324 --> 03:20:04,784
Correiri. Aye.

3841
03:20:04,784 --> 03:20:06,784
Rollins. Aye.

3842
03:20:06,953 --> 03:20:08,997
Beatty-Hansen. Aye. Gartin. Aye.

3843
03:20:08,997 --> 03:20:11,397
Betcher. Aye. Junck. Aye.

3844
03:20:12,250 --> 03:20:14,460
Thank you Item 52 second reading ordinance

3845
03:20:14,460 --> 03:20:19,757
to amend municipal code city by Ames, Iowa by enacting new section 24.21 thereof

3846
03:20:19,757 --> 03:20:23,678
for the purpose of recreating of creating tax increment financing district

3847
03:20:23,678 --> 03:20:26,681
in a downtown reinvestment district urban renewal area.

3848
03:20:26,681 --> 03:20:28,570
Move on. Second.

3849
03:20:28,570 --> 03:20:28,641
Second.

3850
03:20:28,641 --> 03:20:30,601
Role call.

3851
03:20:30,601 --> 03:20:32,601
Rollins. Aye.

3852
03:20:32,729 --> 03:20:35,129
Beatty-Hansen. Aye. Gartin. Aye.

3853
03:20:35,857 --> 03:20:38,257
Betcher. Aye. Junck. Aye.

3854
03:20:39,270 --> 03:20:40,319
Corrieri. Aye.

3855
03:20:40,319 --> 03:20:42,947
I entertain a motion on second reading of ordinance revising

3856
03:20:42,947 --> 03:20:46,547
municipal code chapters 1017, 21, 22, 27 relating to licenses

3857
03:20:47,618 --> 03:20:53,618
and permits issued by the office of the City Clerk.

3858
03:20:53,833 --> 03:20:55,501
Move on second. Second.

3859
03:20:55,501 --> 03:20:57,712
Thank you. Roll call

3860
03:20:57,712 --> 03:20:59,500
Betty-Hansen. Aye.

3861
03:20:59,500 --> 03:21:01,700
Gartin. Aye. Betcher. Aye.

3862
03:21:01,700 --> 03:21:03,700
Junck. Aye.

3863
03:21:03,342 --> 03:21:05,742
Corrieri. Aye. Rollins. Aye.

3864
03:21:07,388 --> 03:21:09,515
And I entertain a motion on third reading and adoption

3865
03:21:09,515 --> 03:21:14,315
of ordinance number 45 4890 revised code chapter 28 for water

3866
03:21:14,353 --> 03:21:18,983
selling requirements. Move on third. Second. Role call.

3867
03:21:18,983 --> 03:21:21,110
Gartin. Aye. Betcher. Aye.

3868
03:21:21,110 --> 03:21:23,110
Junck. Aye.

3869
03:21:23,946 --> 03:21:26,346
Corrieri. Aye. Rollins. Aye.

3870
03:21:27,742 --> 03:21:29,494
Beatty-Hansen. Aye.

3871
03:21:29,494 --> 03:21:31,494
Thank you.

3872
03:21:31,704 --> 03:21:31,913
All right.

3873
03:21:31,913 --> 03:21:36,713
We have six items of business disposition communication

3874
03:21:37,850 --> 03:21:41,506
First is from Tam Lorenz request for pedestrian safety improvement.

3875
03:21:41,506 --> 03:21:44,300
Crossing Lincoln Way from the Oak to Riverside neighborhood.

3876
03:21:44,300 --> 03:21:45,468
What's.

3877
03:21:45,468 --> 03:21:48,679
Yeah, we already asked for a memo on.

3878
03:21:48,679 --> 03:21:49,555
That's correct. This one.

3879
03:21:49,555 --> 03:21:51,557
And so it's in the works, right? Oh, in the works

3880
03:21:51,557 --> 03:21:55,228
I would move that we communicate to Tam that this is in the works.

3881
03:21:55,228 --> 03:21:58,689
So I got a memo about this topic is in the works I should say.

3882
03:21:58,689 --> 03:22:00,108
Second

3883
03:22:00,108 --> 03:22:05,238
Those in favor of the motion say aye. Aye. Opposed. Motion carried.

3884
03:22:05,238 --> 03:22:09,659
And then there's, an email from Merlin Pfannkuch,

3885
03:22:09,659 --> 03:22:13,454
regarding opposition, the creation of new TIF districts for developer incentives.

3886
03:22:13,454 --> 03:22:18,709
And also from Sue Ravenscroft regarding this similar topic,

3887
03:22:18,709 --> 03:22:23,381
opposition of creation of new TIF District LINC project.

3888
03:22:23,381 --> 03:22:24,480
You just did that.

3889
03:22:24,480 --> 03:22:26,634
We need to yeah I would move.

3890
03:22:26,634 --> 03:22:30,234
We take no action next second.

3891
03:22:30,763 --> 03:22:32,807
Those in favor say aye.

3892
03:22:32,807 --> 03:22:35,207
any opposed motion carried.

3893
03:22:36,435 --> 03:22:40,635
Ludmila Scott concerned about municipal water fluoridation.

3894
03:22:40,815 --> 03:22:41,190
Move

3895
03:22:41,190 --> 03:22:44,652
We take no action. Second. Well,

3896
03:22:44,652 --> 03:22:50,652
we've done some work on this in several occasions.

3897
03:22:50,658 --> 03:22:51,200
We could take

3898
03:22:51,200 --> 03:22:55,370
no action, but, it would it be a big deal

3899
03:22:55,370 --> 03:22:58,916
to have staff pull up what they've sent in the past to these people?

3900
03:22:58,916 --> 03:23:00,293
Oh, I don't mind that. Yeah.

3901
03:23:00,293 --> 03:23:01,377
Yeah, sure.

3902
03:23:01,377 --> 03:23:03,796
I'll withdraw my motion and move that.

3903
03:23:03,796 --> 03:23:06,196
We forward. Forward. The,

3904
03:23:08,500 --> 03:23:09,302
Ludmila Scott

3905
03:23:09,302 --> 03:23:13,222
the information that we've been provided by staff about water fluoride.

3906
03:23:13,222 --> 03:23:14,515
Because John's done this before.

3907
03:23:14,515 --> 03:23:16,767
Yeah, yeah, it does a great job.

3908
03:23:16,767 --> 03:23:18,436
Yeah, yeah,

3909
03:23:18,436 --> 03:23:19,103
Those in favor of the motion.

3910
03:23:19,103 --> 03:23:22,103
Say, aye, Aye. Any opposed,

3911
03:23:22,607 --> 03:23:26,319
carried, you know, after the motion was.

3912
03:23:26,319 --> 03:23:26,819
Yeah. There.

3913
03:23:26,819 --> 03:23:29,819
Yeah I seconded Amber did.

3914
03:23:29,947 --> 03:23:31,947
Yeah.

3915
03:23:32,491 --> 03:23:34,202
Number five

3916
03:23:34,202 --> 03:23:36,287
email from Patty Yoder regarding,

3917
03:23:36,287 --> 03:23:40,124
parking and safety concerns for Food at First clients.

3918
03:23:40,124 --> 03:23:40,374
Yeah.

3919
03:23:40,374 --> 03:23:43,169
I think it's primarily about for us for time.

3920
03:23:43,169 --> 03:23:46,547
I would move from memo from traffic and we'll see

3921
03:23:46,547 --> 03:23:48,490
will come up for ideas or alternatives.

3922
03:23:48,490 --> 03:23:48,382
Okay.

3923
03:23:48,382 --> 03:23:51,802
Second, those in favor say aye. Aye.

3924
03:23:51,802 --> 03:23:53,802
Any opposed.

3925
03:23:54,550 --> 03:23:54,972
Motion carried.

3926
03:23:54,972 --> 03:23:59,772
Last is, memo from Mark regarding Senate file 579.

3927
03:24:04,230 --> 03:24:04,941
Is there motion?

3928
03:24:04,941 --> 03:24:06,108
Move. We take it.

3929
03:24:06,108 --> 03:24:09,737
I mean, not yet and well it's there a is

3930
03:24:09,737 --> 03:24:14,617
asked Mark asked to adopt a motion that prepared an ordinance to address

3931
03:24:14,617 --> 03:24:17,745
changing terms of the Ames Human Relations Commission.

3932
03:24:17,745 --> 03:24:18,996
Human Rights Commission. Yeah.

3933
03:24:18,996 --> 03:24:22,500
The legislature change the terms for local,

3934
03:24:22,500 --> 03:24:26,545
you know, civil rights, which we call our Human Relations Commission.

3935
03:24:26,545 --> 03:24:31,550
But in terms of office for three years now, the legislature just said they

3936
03:24:31,550 --> 03:24:32,551
they must be two years.

3937
03:24:32,551 --> 03:24:36,550
Oh, I see, so we, you know, have to give some thought to,

3938
03:24:36,550 --> 03:24:38,975
you know, making sure there's terms are staggered and that sort of thing.

3939
03:24:38,975 --> 03:24:44,313
So but but we have to we have to change our needs 2 to 2 years instead of three.

3940
03:24:44,313 --> 03:24:46,607
So you don't even necessarily need a motion

3941
03:24:46,607 --> 03:24:50,736
to put it on a future agenda or that's what I don't think we need that.

3942
03:24:50,736 --> 03:24:51,654
We have to do it.

3943
03:24:51,654 --> 03:24:52,780
Okay. No, I mean it.

3944
03:24:52,780 --> 03:24:55,320
You'll just proceed as required. Okay.

3945
03:24:55,320 --> 03:24:59,287
So I think just a motion to, you know, have me drafted an amendment

3946
03:24:59,287 --> 03:25:02,331
or an ordinance, bring it back.

3947
03:25:02,331 --> 03:25:06,711
And then I'd also, you know, want to keep it open for I mean, I've read through it.

3948
03:25:06,711 --> 03:25:10,548
I don't think any of the other there's some minor changes and then procedure.

3949
03:25:10,548 --> 03:25:14,510
I don't think any of those we really need to put into our municipal code,

3950
03:25:14,510 --> 03:25:16,804
but I want to sort of reserve the right to do that.

3951
03:25:16,804 --> 03:25:18,806
So I may bring bring back an ordinance

3952
03:25:18,806 --> 03:25:23,600
that not only includes the term changes, but my maybe 1 or 2 other things.

3953
03:25:23,600 --> 03:25:26,856
But, you know, well, we'll say that,

3954
03:25:26,856 --> 03:25:28,856
okay, okay.

3955
03:25:29,108 --> 03:25:29,859
I'd move that.

3956
03:25:29,859 --> 03:25:33,195
We direct the city attorney to draft

3957
03:25:33,195 --> 03:25:35,195
such an ordinance

3958
03:25:36,615 --> 03:25:38,367
second. Second.

3959
03:25:38,367 --> 03:25:39,952
Okay.

3960
03:25:39,952 --> 03:25:41,954
What kind of order to send. Those in favor of the motion

3961
03:25:41,954 --> 03:25:44,954
say aye. Aye. Any opposed.

3962
03:25:45,916 --> 03:25:50,629
So but but Mark so just one further question.

3963
03:25:50,629 --> 03:25:54,175
The last in our last meeting on this,

3964
03:25:54,175 --> 03:25:57,803
we had directed City City attorney to come back and give us further

3965
03:25:57,803 --> 03:26:01,307
direction on what to do with respect to our current ordinance.

3966
03:26:01,307 --> 03:26:03,307
Right. So,

3967
03:26:04,518 --> 03:26:06,437
do oh,

3968
03:26:06,437 --> 03:26:09,899
is that should we what do we do with that?

3969
03:26:09,899 --> 03:26:14,612
Well, in my memo, I, I addressed that and I said that

3970
03:26:14,612 --> 03:26:17,448
my recommendation is to not repeal

3971
03:26:17,448 --> 03:26:22,244
the ordinance yet, to take a wait and see attitude because there are some,

3972
03:26:22,244 --> 03:26:26,207
you know, interpretation issues that are being discussed there.

3973
03:26:26,207 --> 03:26:29,100
They're you know, I've heard rumors of litigation

3974
03:26:29,100 --> 03:26:33,297
that one city might, might sue over it.

3975
03:26:33,297 --> 03:26:36,717
I don't know what the legal theory is behind that, but,

3976
03:26:36,717 --> 03:26:40,179
so, you know, just given the uncertainty there that we that

3977
03:26:40,179 --> 03:26:43,599
we wait and not just repeal it now, but leave it on the books.

3978
03:26:43,599 --> 03:26:49,146
And so if if someone came today and made a claim under this ordinance

3979
03:26:49,146 --> 03:26:51,899
is, is it something that is,

3980
03:26:51,899 --> 03:26:54,276
viable as a, as a,

3981
03:26:54,276 --> 03:26:57,947
as a law today and or, or books?

3982
03:26:57,947 --> 03:27:02,868
My advice and what I've, I've said to staff is to not enforce the ordinance.

3983
03:27:02,868 --> 03:27:05,746
And until we have more certainty.

3984
03:27:05,746 --> 03:27:06,747
Okay.

3985
03:27:06,747 --> 03:27:06,997
All right.

3986
03:27:06,997 --> 03:27:08,997
Thanks. Yeah. No.

3987
03:27:10,459 --> 03:27:11,502
Okay.

3988
03:27:11,502 --> 03:27:16,600
Participation agencies, boards, commissions, Discover Ames any reports.

3989
03:27:16,600 --> 03:27:19,468
And I have not had a meeting yet.

3990
03:27:19,468 --> 03:27:21,468
AREA?

3991
03:27:22,972 --> 03:27:25,975
I don't think there's been one since last time.

3992
03:27:25,975 --> 03:27:29,610
The egg breakfast is this Friday.

3993
03:27:29,610 --> 03:27:31,522
I'm going to go to that. Okay.

3994
03:27:31,522 --> 03:27:32,773
Story County Emergency Management

3995
03:27:32,773 --> 03:27:35,943
There's been no, meetings since last time.

3996
03:27:35,943 --> 03:27:37,361
Transit.

3997
03:27:37,361 --> 03:27:41,699
We had a change order for a diesel bus purchase,

3998
03:27:41,699 --> 03:27:45,578
and then also, award of contract for a bus purchase.

3999
03:27:45,578 --> 03:27:47,204
That was it.

4000
03:27:47,204 --> 03:27:48,622
Okay,

4001
03:27:48,622 --> 03:27:49,373
Council comments.

4002
03:27:49,373 --> 03:27:51,792
And I'm going to Trump. I'm going to.

4003
03:27:51,792 --> 03:27:53,836
So I'm going to take the first one.

4004
03:27:53,836 --> 03:27:55,836
And Emily,

4005
03:27:55,921 --> 03:27:57,590
thank you for two years of service.

4006
03:27:57,590 --> 03:28:03,929
It's hard to say goodbye to you, but, you've done a commendable job.

4007
03:28:03,929 --> 03:28:09,143
And, we're glad that you decided to to not resign.

4008
03:28:09,143 --> 03:28:10,978
And you're going to stay for another year. As great.

4009
03:28:10,978 --> 03:28:13,731
We appreciate that. You didn't get that memo, did you?

4010
03:28:13,731 --> 03:28:14,565
Not yet.

4011
03:28:14,565 --> 03:28:17,651
Okay, well, here's that memo telling you you're not.

4012
03:28:17,651 --> 03:28:18,861
You're resigning is not.

4013
03:28:18,861 --> 03:28:19,904
You're not, you know, resigned.

4014
03:28:19,904 --> 03:28:22,448
But anyway, you'll be missed.

4015
03:28:22,448 --> 03:28:26,869
And we wish you, success as you move forward.

4016
03:28:26,869 --> 03:28:28,996
And, thanks for your service.

4017
03:28:28,996 --> 03:28:33,792
And you'll be hard to replace, but I'm sure you'll find someone that will

4018
03:28:33,792 --> 03:28:36,712
looks like under your wing. So anyway,

4019
03:28:36,712 --> 03:28:38,712
in. And

4020
03:28:41,910 --> 03:28:44,470
2002 years and years, you have someone for one year.

4021
03:28:44,470 --> 03:28:46,470
But you, you

4022
03:28:46,722 --> 03:28:49,475
embraced it and spent two years. So.

4023
03:28:49,475 --> 03:28:53,354
So I'll give you the opportunity to.

4024
03:28:53,354 --> 03:28:55,105
Okay, I,

4025
03:28:55,105 --> 03:28:58,984
I wrote something down because I didn't want to be too sad

4026
03:28:58,984 --> 03:29:04,615
to forget what I wanted to say, so here goes.

4027
03:29:04,615 --> 03:29:08,744
I didn't know it when I first sat in that chair two years ago, that taking

4028
03:29:08,744 --> 03:29:14,625
this role would be one of the best decisions I ever made in college.

4029
03:29:14,625 --> 03:29:19,400
It transformed my college experience in ways that I never expected.

4030
03:29:19,400 --> 03:29:21,674
What I expected was to apply the concepts

4031
03:29:21,674 --> 03:29:25,940
and lessons that I learned from my classes to real life,

4032
03:29:25,940 --> 03:29:29,598
but participating in this role gave me so much more.

4033
03:29:29,598 --> 03:29:31,433
To the Council and the Mayor.

4034
03:29:31,433 --> 03:29:36,855
Thank you for welcoming me into your work, and for taking my perspective seriously,

4035
03:29:36,855 --> 03:29:41,694
and for showing me what dedication and leadership looks like every day

4036
03:29:41,694 --> 03:29:43,404
To City staff.

4037
03:29:43,404 --> 03:29:47,575
Thank you for your patience and willingness to answer my many,

4038
03:29:47,575 --> 03:29:50,995
many questions and for modeling what genuine

4039
03:29:50,995 --> 03:29:54,123
public service looks like each day

4040
03:29:54,123 --> 03:29:59,128
to the broader Ames community and the Iowa State University students.

4041
03:29:59,128 --> 03:30:03,757
Thank you for reminding me of why my participation matters.

4042
03:30:03,757 --> 03:30:06,677
Serving a community as great as this one

4043
03:30:06,677 --> 03:30:11,181
has been an honor I will never forget.

4044
03:30:11,181 --> 03:30:13,181
Sorry.

4045
03:30:15,352 --> 03:30:17,354
My journey through ISU wouldn't

4046
03:30:17,354 --> 03:30:22,901
have been so full of learning, growth, and joy without all of you.

4047
03:30:22,901 --> 03:30:27,823
Your willingness to take a student seriously meant a great deal to me.

4048
03:30:27,823 --> 03:30:31,660
I could not have grown into the person that I am today without all of you

4049
03:30:31,660 --> 03:30:34,913
and without this experience in the future.

4050
03:30:34,913 --> 03:30:42,796
When I reflect on my college years, I will remember this experience most fondly.

4051
03:30:42,796 --> 03:30:44,381
The meetings, even though

4052
03:30:44,381 --> 03:30:46,781
they were long, sometimes,

4053
03:30:47,384 --> 03:30:50,638
were some of my favorite times in college.

4054
03:30:50,638 --> 03:30:53,140
I am a different person and a better person

4055
03:30:53,140 --> 03:30:57,436
because of this experience, and because of all of you.

4056
03:30:57,436 --> 03:31:00,606
I also want to thank Martin Hirsch and Quinn Margret

4057
03:31:00,606 --> 03:31:05,653
for placing their trust in me almost two years ago to,

4058
03:31:05,653 --> 03:31:06,737
do this role.

4059
03:31:06,737 --> 03:31:11,825
And I want to also thank Colby Brant and Will Vlasheck and will for giving me the opportunity

4060
03:31:11,825 --> 03:31:17,164
to continue representing the student body in this chamber for a second term.

4061
03:31:17,164 --> 03:31:20,668
That trust is something that I'm not taking lightly,

4062
03:31:20,668 --> 03:31:25,470
and I'm so grateful for the opportunity that this position gave me

4063
03:31:25,470 --> 03:31:29,468
to everyone in this room and beyond, from the very bottom of my heart.

4064
03:31:29,468 --> 03:31:31,950
Thank you so much.

4065
03:31:31,950 --> 03:31:37,950
Oh yeah, another round of applause. That was great. Wow.

4066
03:31:39,144 --> 03:31:40,620
Thank you.

4067
03:31:40,620 --> 03:31:42,564
So good to top that way.

4068
03:31:42,564 --> 03:31:47,695
And then technically I am on council until like, you know, probably like 3 p.m.

4069
03:31:47,695 --> 03:31:50,950
on on April 6th.

4070
03:31:50,823 --> 03:31:54,159
So I'll just be closing out some of the things that need to be done.

4071
03:31:54,159 --> 03:31:57,788
So you can't really get rid of me until then,

4072
03:31:57,788 --> 03:32:00,708
and I'll be around for graduation and whatnot.

4073
03:32:00,708 --> 03:32:04,200
So you'll see me probably.

4074
03:32:04,200 --> 03:32:07,631
I'll be back here a few times before I graduate.

4075
03:32:07,631 --> 03:32:11,930
So thank you again. Great. Thank you.

4076
03:32:11,930 --> 03:32:12,594
I hope you stay in touch.

4077
03:32:12,594 --> 03:32:14,388
Yeah, I will 100%.

4078
03:32:14,388 --> 03:32:15,639
Yeah, yeah.

4079
03:32:15,639 --> 03:32:18,639
Exciting. So, two things tonight.

4080
03:32:18,726 --> 03:32:21,729
One happy, one not so happy.

4081
03:32:21,729 --> 03:32:23,397
Congratulations to Iowa State.

4082
03:32:23,397 --> 03:32:26,692
Making it sweet 16, making us all incredibly proud.

4083
03:32:26,692 --> 03:32:28,819
And they're great ambassadors for our community.

4084
03:32:28,819 --> 03:32:30,529
And so just so proud of them.

4085
03:32:30,529 --> 03:32:32,197
Excited to see what how far they'll go.

4086
03:32:32,197 --> 03:32:34,992
I have picked them to win the entire tournament,

4087
03:32:34,992 --> 03:32:37,369
but I always picked them to win the entire time.

4088
03:32:37,369 --> 03:32:39,955
This year, I think I have a shot at it.

4089
03:32:39,955 --> 03:32:43,625
The second is a more serious matter.

4090
03:32:43,625 --> 03:32:44,585
We recently had a

4091
03:32:44,585 --> 03:32:48,505
very tragic killing in our community, and,

4092
03:32:48,505 --> 03:32:52,801
certainly before I got on Council, I never really considered the work

4093
03:32:52,801 --> 03:32:57,765
that our City staff does in incredibly difficult situations, whether it's,

4094
03:32:57,765 --> 03:33:01,180
our City workers going out at 2:00 in the morning

4095
03:33:01,180 --> 03:33:05,564
to take care of a water main water line, break.

4096
03:33:05,564 --> 03:33:07,983
But we had our police officers

4097
03:33:07,983 --> 03:33:13,197
who attended a scene that we're not used to seeing in Ames.

4098
03:33:13,197 --> 03:33:16,158
And you can't unsee the things that they saw

4099
03:33:16,158 --> 03:33:19,578
with this mother and child. And,

4100
03:33:19,578 --> 03:33:22,706
also the EMT workers, everyone involved in this.

4101
03:33:22,706 --> 03:33:24,706
And so,

4102
03:33:24,708 --> 03:33:28,962
we, we take these people's work for granted, and I know I speak for Council,

4103
03:33:28,962 --> 03:33:33,801
our deepest appreciation for those who attended a very difficult situation.

4104
03:33:33,801 --> 03:33:35,886
That's all I have tonight.

4105
03:33:35,886 --> 03:33:36,512
Well said.

4106
03:33:36,512 --> 03:33:38,912
Nothing else for me.

4107
03:33:39,560 --> 03:33:42,560
Nothing else for me. Okay,

4108
03:33:42,184 --> 03:33:43,268
a few things.

4109
03:33:43,268 --> 03:33:47,606
Number one, there's no crying in municipal government.

4110
03:33:47,606 --> 03:33:49,942
Oh, yes there is. I've done it before.

4111
03:33:49,942 --> 03:33:50,275
Yeah.

4112
03:33:50,275 --> 03:33:55,113
Second thing, I will be present at graduation on the stage.

4113
03:33:55,113 --> 03:33:59,785
So I will watch for you and be happy to,

4114
03:33:59,785 --> 03:34:02,955
cheer you on to your next endeavors.

4115
03:34:02,955 --> 03:34:06,708
And the third thing is that we are also losing

4116
03:34:06,708 --> 03:34:10,908
Jeremy Neefus before our next Council meeting.

4117
03:34:11,400 --> 03:34:16,510
And I just want to thank Jeremy for all his work with the manager's office

4118
03:34:16,510 --> 03:34:21,557
and sitting through long meetings with us and taking notes.

4119
03:34:21,557 --> 03:34:23,957
And, wish him well.

4120
03:34:25,600 --> 03:34:26,854
Good catch.

4121
03:34:26,854 --> 03:34:28,605
Rachel, how about you?

4122
03:34:28,605 --> 03:34:30,605
Anything?

4123
03:34:31,733 --> 03:34:32,734
Nothing except.

4124
03:34:32,734 --> 03:34:35,779
Yeah. Congrats, Emily. We'll miss you a lot.

4125
03:34:35,779 --> 03:34:39,867
Had to send you out on a long meeting, of course, but,

4126
03:34:39,867 --> 03:34:42,202
glad to have you here for the past two years.

4127
03:34:42,202 --> 03:34:43,203
Thank you.

4128
03:34:43,203 --> 03:34:45,203
Anita,

4129
03:34:45,247 --> 03:34:46,790
for the,

4130
03:34:46,790 --> 03:34:48,625
just to thank Emily as well.

4131
03:34:48,625 --> 03:34:50,419
You've been

4132
03:34:50,419 --> 03:34:54,172
very engaged, and you are a very engaging person.

4133
03:34:54,172 --> 03:34:58,260
And it has been a pleasure to have an opportunity to work with you.

4134
03:34:58,260 --> 03:35:03,849
And thank you for the things you've done to ensure that going forward,

4135
03:35:03,849 --> 03:35:10,105
we have an even better relationship with Iowa State student government.

4136
03:35:10,105 --> 03:35:12,482
Yeah, we'll be watching to see

4137
03:35:12,482 --> 03:35:15,777
where you go next and if we can get you back.

4138
03:35:15,777 --> 03:35:17,696
So thanks.

4139
03:35:17,696 --> 03:35:19,720
Thank you.

4140
03:35:19,720 --> 03:35:23,118
Will also be watching for you on YouTube as one of our viewers.

4141
03:35:23,118 --> 03:35:26,663
Oh yeah, we'll probably be on the next one.

4142
03:35:26,663 --> 03:35:27,956
You'll be number ten.

4143
03:35:27,956 --> 03:35:29,956
Yeah. Okay.

4144
03:35:30,375 --> 03:35:32,252
I'll entertain a motion to adjourn.

4145
03:35:32,252 --> 03:35:33,587
Move we adjourn second.

4146
03:35:33,587 --> 03:35:33,962
All right.

4147
03:35:33,962 --> 03:35:37,758
Those in favor say aye. Aye. All right.

4148
03:35:37,758 --> 03:35:38,842
I think that's a roll call.

4149
03:35:38,842 --> 03:35:42,442
Just kidding, just kidding, just kidding.

4150
03:35:42,763 --> 03:35:44,763
We are adjourned.