1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:10,160 Call the meeting to order. Please stand for the pledge. I pledge algiance to the 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:15,920 flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one 3 00:00:13,040 --> 00:00:19,119 nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 4 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:23,359 » Roll call. >> Watson. 5 00:00:21,359 --> 00:00:31,439 » Yes. >> Okay. You have before you the minutes of 6 00:00:26,240 --> 00:00:31,439 the uh last meeting, August 25th. 7 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:42,600 Are there any further uh corrections or additions to the minutes as presented? 8 00:00:44,879 --> 00:00:48,960 » Sorry. >> I'm going to make a motion to approve 9 00:00:46,719 --> 00:00:52,079 the August 25th uh regular meeting minutes as presented. 10 00:00:50,879 --> 00:00:53,120 » Second. >> Lynch, 11 00:00:52,719 --> 00:00:54,000 » yes. >> Watson, 12 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,079 » yes. >> Jurg, 13 00:00:54,640 --> 00:01:00,640 » yes. >> 9126. 14 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:06,320 » Next item. uh reading of the bills and financial 15 00:01:04,559 --> 00:01:13,680 uh reports. >> You have a payment listing in front of 16 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:19,479 you. Um and also you have um fund summary. Our year-to- date 17 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:19,479 revenue is $1,200,468.95 18 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:25,479 and our year-to- date expenditures are $895,9129. 19 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:30,280 We have not gotten the second half 20 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:36,000 » property taxes yet. >> Yeah. 21 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:40,479 » Still hanging on for that investment income. 22 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:49,680 » Yeah. And uh if you you probably will notice that there are 23 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:55,759 um a couple of like you uh opery payments. That's because when I was 24 00:01:51,840 --> 00:02:00,719 having computer issues last meeting, did not realize that payments did not go 25 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:07,040 through. So I sent everything twice when I I mean I sent the correct amounts but 26 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:11,239 I had to do August or July and August. So that's why that reflects that. 27 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,680 » Okay. 28 00:02:16,959 --> 00:02:23,920 Any other questions or comments on the uh bills and financial reports? 29 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:27,760 » No. And and Chris, you would normally mention the largest one obviously is our 30 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:30,640 quarterly fire payment there, >> which was less 31 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:34,480 » just under [clears throat] $60,000, >> but less than the first quarter. 32 00:02:33,519 --> 00:02:38,800 » Yeah. >> When we're lucky. 33 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:42,239 » Okay, let's see. >> Still almost a quarter million a year, 34 00:02:41,599 --> 00:02:48,640 » I think. What? >> And a brand new fire. I'm sorry. 35 00:02:46,319 --> 00:02:52,560 » Well, it's and it's got the I think it's 176,000 36 00:02:50,239 --> 00:02:57,040 minimum I believe by the contract cuz you know it's hard to tell since it's 37 00:02:54,160 --> 00:03:01,840 based on usage and I know that the city wanted a minimum amount in there in the 38 00:02:59,920 --> 00:03:06,800 event we don't have a lot of calls but that hasn't been the case. 39 00:03:04,959 --> 00:03:11,519 Okay. Any other discussion on the bills and 40 00:03:08,959 --> 00:03:16,879 financial reports? If there's no other discussion, then I would make a motion 41 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:21,680 to approve the financial reports and payment of items on the uh payment 42 00:03:18,879 --> 00:03:26,400 listing uh with reservations. 43 00:03:24,159 --> 00:03:30,080 » Second. >> Motion been made and seconded. Any 44 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:32,720 further discussion? If no further discussion, roll call. 45 00:03:32,159 --> 00:03:34,400 » Yurig, >> yes. 46 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:40,159 » Watson, Lynch, >> yes. The only other thing that I have is 47 00:03:37,599 --> 00:03:45,519 I handed out your the new credit cards that came. If you would please open them 48 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:49,599 and activate them. Not tonight, but I mean uh then if you keep the card and 49 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:54,560 return all the paperwork to me, I could put it in a file. 50 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:58,239 » Okay. And you want the old cards just cut up. 51 00:03:54,959 --> 00:04:01,040 » I would just Yeah. destroy them. >> Okay. 52 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:05,439 Uh >> that's all I have. 53 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:10,879 » No. At this time, uh, we welcome the audience. I see we have two people in 54 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:16,639 the audience. Uh, we invite audience concerns. If they have any concerns, 55 00:04:13,599 --> 00:04:20,320 please step to the please step to the microphone, state your name and address 56 00:04:18,639 --> 00:04:23,600 and uh, what your concern is. >> Want to walk. You're more than welcome. 57 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:27,400 We want us to hand you the mic. >> Hopefully, you don't have to get up. 58 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,479 » Evening folks. 59 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:44,240 Uh, my name is Chris Veru. Um, president of the township almost 30 years. 60 00:04:39,199 --> 00:04:49,120 Um, this is my neighbor Scott McNab. And we are here on behalf of not only 61 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:53,840 our neighbors, uh, our elderly that live close to this situation, the children 62 00:04:51,600 --> 00:05:01,360 that are in the neighborhood, uh, our pets. We kind of at wit's end 63 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:06,560 with this. It's been going on some time. Uh, as you may or may not know, there 64 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:11,440 was a residential fire at 48096 Rice Road. Uh, gentleman's name is Dave. I 65 00:05:09,039 --> 00:05:14,440 don't know his last name. >> Loer. 66 00:05:14,479 --> 00:05:22,800 Um, since then, uh, that was July 3rd. Since then, he has resided on the 67 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:29,360 property in a tent. Um he beyond the civil matter of veiled 68 00:05:26,479 --> 00:05:33,120 threats to myself and other neighbors, the uh protection orders that we have 69 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:39,280 against him through the sheriff's department. He's currently in jail now 70 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:45,360 set to get out. Um, what kind of got me activated was that he uh 71 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:50,479 he made some threats on a recorded line through the Luring County uh jail that 72 00:05:47,919 --> 00:05:54,960 he was going to give my neighbor and I uh what they call a Colombian neck 73 00:05:52,639 --> 00:06:01,440 necktie, something that they were coming for us. Folks, I have said absolutely 74 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:05,440 nothing to this man in months. Um, beyond the civil matter, I know you 75 00:06:03,039 --> 00:06:10,960 folks don't have any control over that. Uh it's he's he's living it behind a 76 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:16,319 burned out structure. He is defecating and urinating on the 77 00:06:13,199 --> 00:06:23,280 property in the open. He is standing in his backyard screaming obscenities for 78 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:28,000 hours on end at the top of his lungs. If we were in the city limits, 79 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:32,080 this wouldn't be going on for two months. 80 00:06:29,840 --> 00:06:36,400 Uh I have concerns for the children in the neighborhood, for my pets. I'm 81 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:42,160 afraid to leave them outside. They're on electric fence and they're free. 82 00:06:39,919 --> 00:06:47,840 What can we do to to keep him away from our families, 83 00:06:45,919 --> 00:06:52,400 our residences? What's he going to get drunk one night and throw a flaming 84 00:06:49,840 --> 00:06:58,560 brick through my window? Burn my house down, burn Dallas's house 85 00:06:54,479 --> 00:07:03,039 down. Uh, he steals water from our elderly neighbors. 86 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:08,479 He has no water. He has no septic. He has no electricity 87 00:07:05,199 --> 00:07:13,039 and yet he's still there. It's a real problem and we have uh some 88 00:07:10,639 --> 00:07:17,440 ve very valid concerns for our own safety. Uh there was other folks that 89 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:22,319 were going to meet us here this evening, but they had engagements that came up. 90 00:07:19,919 --> 00:07:27,919 So I I actually planned on having half a dozen people or so with me. Um it's 91 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:32,400 becoming a problem. And again, if we were in the city of Ammerst, 92 00:07:30,479 --> 00:07:36,080 this would have been handled quite a bit quite a while ago. I mean, we've been 93 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:42,639 dealing with this for 2 months, and his mental stability is landsliding. 94 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:48,960 I know you folks can't handle the civil end of it again, but uh what what can we 95 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:53,120 do? [clears throat] What can we do? >> Ruin. I The first item would be keep in 96 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,639 touch with the sheriff's department. We have 97 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:57,840 » if he's >> they don't seem like they really want 98 00:07:56,400 --> 00:08:01,080 they don't seem like they really want to do much. 99 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:08,120 » Making a disruption if he's being disorderly. I would think that 100 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:16,400 uh there some recourse there with them. He's in jail right now, but he's he 101 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:20,080 actually got uh >> he got violated on his uh on a 102 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:26,479 protection order from one of our other neighbors, and he's uh he was actually 103 00:08:23,599 --> 00:08:30,240 talking to one of the foreigners on a recorded line. He's supposed to get out 104 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:34,320 Wednesday. He said he's going to bring all his homeless friends that he made in 105 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:38,399 jail back to the property and make a little compound for himself. 106 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:43,519 [laughter] >> I couldn't make this stuff up. Yeah, 107 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:47,440 Chris, can I ask for Mr. McNab? Um, because I just want to make sure I 108 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:50,800 understand the relationships here if there is one. 109 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:53,279 » Are you related to Karen? >> Yes. 110 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:58,320 » Okay. Because we sent the response to Karen, which I was hoping since we hear 111 00:08:55,760 --> 00:09:01,760 from multiple people over there that, you know, we could keep the same 112 00:08:59,680 --> 00:09:06,399 response. I don't know. Chris, you're saying he's getting out of jail. Do you 113 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:10,399 know that for certain? it. That's uh I again I've heard this all third hand, 114 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:14,880 but it's >> the resource is pretty solid. 115 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:18,480 » I I heard yesterday he had a reduced bail to like $300 and he's getting out 116 00:09:17,519 --> 00:09:22,000 tomorrow. >> That's also what I heard. 117 00:09:19,839 --> 00:09:24,959 » Bail was set at $7,500. >> Yes, sir. 118 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:30,000 » And his jury trial is scheduled for February 4th of 2027. 119 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:34,959 » And we've had the other groups here before Chris. And that's really I just 120 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:40,320 say in the city of Amherst maybe it would be handled. Um there they 121 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:43,600 would have the police just as we have the sheriff but we've had the health 122 00:09:42,399 --> 00:09:45,519 department out there. >> Okay. 123 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:49,680 » See if there's anything we could do. And as far as the health department's 124 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:55,680 position is it's America. It's his property. We can't they can't force them 125 00:09:52,880 --> 00:10:01,519 off. We've had our zoning inspector look at the zoning. I know that um I'm not 126 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:06,320 going to say which officials talked with his power of attorney that has financial 127 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:11,440 power of attorney for him to see if there's any way they can get this 128 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:15,839 addressed. Um so I can tell you behind the scenes people are trying to do it 129 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:20,640 but we're limited in what we can do. >> The best thing is 130 00:10:18,399 --> 00:10:25,760 line with Mr. Forner. >> The sheriff keeps those records and 131 00:10:22,959 --> 00:10:28,720 those are public records. I assume that the sheriff has taken that and I can't 132 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,440 see. >> I'm assuming that's why he's in jail now 133 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:36,720 because of >> Oh, that was the recour. 134 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:44,480 » Well, he's in jail now. That was before >> he's been in jail recorded back in May. 135 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:50,399 He was in in in jail also for he had confrontation. Frank lives next to him 136 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:57,440 and the neighbor next to them. They had a confrontation and they argued. He went 137 00:10:54,240 --> 00:11:03,760 back to his house, got a gun, went back over there, threatened them, shot, 138 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:07,279 discharged his weapon at their feet. That's when the sheriff was called and 139 00:11:04,959 --> 00:11:11,920 he was put in jail last May. >> Okay. But his current term, he hasn't 140 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:17,600 made a new threat. >> Just on on a recorded line from the jail 141 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:21,360 just this past week against myself and another res. Yes, sir. 142 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:23,200 » Have you contacted the sheriff about that? 143 00:11:21,519 --> 00:11:26,399 » Yes. and they and they've listened to the recording and they agree. But again, 144 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:30,480 they're >> they're not 145 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:34,399 » Well, then why it's a it's a third party threat that they're not he didn't 146 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:40,000 specifically say to tell me that it was going to 147 00:11:37,279 --> 00:11:44,560 happen or specifically to tell Dallas that it was going to happen. But you can 148 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:50,000 ride, you can drive by his house. Our names are spray painted on his house. 149 00:11:47,680 --> 00:11:54,959 Arsson. I haven't talked to this man since May. 150 00:11:53,279 --> 00:12:00,160 I let him do his thing. I stayed out of it. But he is kind of This has really 151 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:03,360 stirred me a bit now. >> Yeah. And there was a forensic 152 00:12:01,680 --> 00:12:08,079 investigation by the um mortgage insurance company 153 00:12:06,560 --> 00:12:13,680 already and they've completed their investigation as has Ammer's fire 154 00:12:11,279 --> 00:12:20,240 because of those what was put there whether it was someone else or um Mr. 155 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:24,079 Leisure Lure. I'm not sure how he pronounces it. Um, 156 00:12:22,639 --> 00:12:27,839 » we call him hippie daddy if that had been done, but they have for years. 157 00:12:26,079 --> 00:12:33,360 » Yeah, it was indeterminant if there was any type of arson. 158 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:40,000 » Well, I it's it's all accusations from him. He writes it big on his house. He 159 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:43,519 had a sign out front said FC Veru. I haven't seen I haven't talked to this 160 00:12:41,680 --> 00:12:47,920 guy in months and months and months and he's poking at me and another one of the 161 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:52,720 residents specifically. I've blown it off until the now this on 162 00:12:50,560 --> 00:12:57,920 a recorded line hearing this and the sheriff has confirmed that it's it's 163 00:12:54,480 --> 00:13:02,800 there and that it just you know from here to my vehicle from my house he 164 00:13:00,560 --> 00:13:07,920 could walk across his backyard. >> My dogs are out you know what he come 165 00:13:05,519 --> 00:13:11,680 throw poison my dogs. Well, I hear your frustration, but I respect that. 166 00:13:09,680 --> 00:13:15,519 » What do you want us to do that's within our authority? Because short of 167 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:19,519 contacting the sheriff again, which we've already done. We've contacted the 168 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:24,480 health department. We've worked with our fire prevention officer. There's been 169 00:13:21,839 --> 00:13:30,720 discussions with the insurance company that ensures the mortgage itself because 170 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:35,120 obviously they prefer that this and you you're aware he's in a rear. So, most 171 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:39,839 likely he's going to get foreclosed on. >> Yes, sir. um at that point. 172 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:42,959 » What I understand the foreclosure is in process. 173 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:49,920 » Well, it's yeah, it's not to the point of actual sheriff sale, but if it gets 174 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:54,639 to that point is then he can be evicted, >> but you know, that's not you know, these 175 00:13:52,320 --> 00:14:00,040 things take so long. I mean, we've seen these things languish before. Um, 176 00:14:00,959 --> 00:14:08,560 we've had some other individuals like this in our township in my time as 177 00:14:06,079 --> 00:14:12,880 trustee, too. They It does tend to take care of itself. It just takes a while. 178 00:14:10,639 --> 00:14:17,440 Typically, there's some mental and behavioral issues with them. And in 179 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:20,800 addition to some of the other behaviors they do that make it even worse. 180 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:27,680 » Sure. Uh >> we've we've lived with him there for 181 00:14:23,279 --> 00:14:35,279 years and he's always just been cool old hippie Dave, you know, and recently the 182 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:39,519 last two years, his mental health has >> gone downhill very quickly. And now it's 183 00:14:37,519 --> 00:14:43,199 to the point where it's concerning. >> Yeah. And we've got a 184 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:46,639 » strong mental health network here in Lraine County, but you can't force them 185 00:14:45,839 --> 00:14:49,760 unless >> Yes, sir. 186 00:14:47,199 --> 00:14:53,120 » It gets ordered by the courts. And so that's where they won't intercede at 187 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:57,440 this point either. >> Right. And again, I and I understand 188 00:14:55,120 --> 00:15:00,959 that's more on a civil matter that's out of your hands. 189 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:04,580 » Is there anything that we can do in the meantime, a petition? Is there something 190 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:08,800 that we can do on our end to [clears throat] try to 191 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:10,880 » contacting the sheriff? That's that's >> we have been in contact with the 192 00:15:10,399 --> 00:15:14,720 sheriff. >> I called again today. 193 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:19,440 » Yeah. Dallas made another report yesterday after he confirmed that, you 194 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:22,959 know, that recording was in there that he's going to give us Brazilian neck 195 00:15:20,959 --> 00:15:26,480 ties. >> Yeah. But 196 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:32,160 » I understand he's a little that recording to the judge that 197 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:34,880 » Yes. Uh actually, Mr. Townsen spoke with the prosecutor today. 198 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:40,320 » Okay. Well, good. >> So, that's in the matters, too. We're 199 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:43,680 just we're here just speaking our peace on it so it's known that 200 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:47,360 » these things are happening and I understand that you know about it. I'm 201 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:53,759 just just here talking again. You know that 202 00:15:49,279 --> 00:15:56,000 we just uh I >> also afraid it's going to escalate into 203 00:15:55,519 --> 00:16:00,000 some >> right said it before. We'll say it 204 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:03,120 again. You know we're a creature under state law. We are governed by state law 205 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:10,000 primarily. >> Uh we're in a township. It's a very 206 00:16:06,639 --> 00:16:13,279 layered situation. There are things on the township, the townships do, things 207 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:19,279 the county does, and things that the state does that are that are in their 208 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:23,839 purview. Whereas cities don't don't have that layers. They they can do 209 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:28,160 everything within themselves, but not us. We we're relying on either the 210 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:32,959 state, the county, or the or whatever the state has allowed townships to do. 211 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:37,839 So, we're really limited as far as police. We we could have a police 212 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:43,040 department, but we don't. Uh but even if we did, we're stuck enforcing state law. 213 00:16:41,279 --> 00:16:47,279 And and same thing that the sheriff does. If we need the police, if there's 214 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:48,720 a dangerous situation, we have to call the sheriff, 215 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:52,160 » right? >> Call the sheriff and they have to come 216 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:54,560 out. Uh >> so, 217 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:57,920 » uh I guess what you folks are >> between a rock and a hard, please. 218 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:01,279 » Sure. We are too. And >> absolutely. Uh you know, it's good to 219 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:05,039 know it's there. >> Uh 220 00:17:03,279 --> 00:17:11,679 We're collecting information on this end. Uh you can see certain things like 221 00:17:09,919 --> 00:17:16,720 for example going through the mortgage company uh you know that may be a great 222 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:22,720 help. They may have more authority that and may be able to do things quicker and 223 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:26,480 more efficient than we could as uh as a government entity. I mean there there's 224 00:17:24,799 --> 00:17:29,679 questions on that property once it's settled. Uh you know is that house 225 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:33,520 repairable? Does it need to be torn down? Then it needs to be torn down. 226 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:36,559 items like that. But all that takes time and all that's a big process. You just 227 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:40,000 don't >> going on to a piece of property and and 228 00:17:39,039 --> 00:17:43,360 do something. >> Sure. 229 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:47,440 » About the only thing that we do have some authority is is the most grass. We 230 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:49,360 can go more grass, but you start taking things off. 231 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:52,640 » I think the mortgage company's taking care of that, too. 232 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,960 » Yesterday. >> Yeah. 233 00:17:53,039 --> 00:17:57,600 » Well, I didn't know the question. I wish I could help you more in that. 234 00:17:56,559 --> 00:18:01,280 » I've been in front of the health department. I've been in front of the 235 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:05,919 sheriff's department. I've been in now. >> You've gone to the township places. We 236 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:10,400 » have I've you know >> I kind of understand why I It's not 237 00:18:08,799 --> 00:18:17,440 funny if somebody's >> No, he and and please forgive my my 238 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:22,080 English, but he is standing in his backyard uh screaming obscenities. I 239 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:24,000 can't even say the words that he says. I don't want to say it in front of this 240 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,799 government. >> Yeah. 241 00:18:25,120 --> 00:18:29,039 » It's And my children are out there running. My neighbors children are out 242 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:35,919 there. You know, >> he's also he's also been running around 243 00:18:33,360 --> 00:18:40,320 with nothing on. And I mean, 244 00:18:39,120 --> 00:18:43,200 » the sheriff [clears throat] shows up, >> one of the guys, they like went over 245 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:47,039 there and asked him, "What are you doing running around here like this?" Well, 246 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:50,799 this way I feel good this way. It's my property. I can do what I want. No, 247 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:54,720 » I'm not. No, he could be arrested for that. Well, yeah, but I mean 248 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:59,679 » it just seems like >> he's been arrested twice now and now now 249 00:18:56,799 --> 00:19:06,720 his his bail was set at $7,500. Now it's down to 300. No wonder guys getting out. 250 00:19:03,039 --> 00:19:10,240 » You know, it's it's and again on civil matter, I know you folks have no control 251 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:16,799 over that. I guess that's where our concern comes from now in respective to 252 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:20,240 the elderly that's around us. You know, uh there's a lady that lives across the 253 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:25,440 street from him that he goes and steals water from and we've tried to keep him 254 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:28,480 off her property, harassing her on an outdoor. 255 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,640 » Yeah. Taking buckets of water. >> He steals from 256 00:19:29,120 --> 00:19:37,280 » Yeah. Last time I talked to him was actually I I saw my uh deck chairs out 257 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:40,559 on his garage sale and I asked him if they were my chairs. 258 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:44,240 He said, "No, I got those from Walmart or something." Said, "Dave, they're 259 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:48,480 covered in moss, man. They sell those at Walmart. moss covered chairs. He Well, 260 00:19:46,559 --> 00:19:52,320 just take them if you want them. They're mine, buddy. 261 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:57,679 » I'll tell you guys, I I've had a lot of lengthy conversations on this with other 262 00:19:54,640 --> 00:20:02,400 neighbors over there on Rice Road, um with the Ammerst fire inspector, with 263 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:06,400 the Ammerst police for an issue when he was going through the city of Ammerst. 264 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:11,280 Uh I went directly to a contact at the sheriff's department and he was doing, 265 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:17,919 you know, those investigations and then led to his arrest. But yeah, at this 266 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:21,679 point, like I feel your pain over there, but it's like I don't really I don't 267 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:25,520 know what Yeah, with the the health department, the inspector, 268 00:20:23,679 --> 00:20:30,799 » like if there was anything else we could do, people we could call, we would, but 269 00:20:28,799 --> 00:20:34,799 um I feel like it's good that you're here and bringing it to light, but I'm 270 00:20:32,799 --> 00:20:38,080 trying to trying to keep the ball rolling. 271 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:42,080 » We can do as a township to do that. It really is in the sheriff's hands, 272 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:45,520 » right? You know, we all the guys, we all go to work and he's there with our wives 273 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:50,159 and girlfriends >> hanging out and the children. You know, 274 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:53,760 » he can do anything while we're gone. >> And again, the civil matter, I think, is 275 00:20:52,159 --> 00:20:59,200 more important to us trying to protect our families and our homes 276 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:02,720 than anything. I don't know. Well, I appreciate your time 277 00:21:00,799 --> 00:21:05,679 » and I definitely wanted to bring this to your attention. I know that you've been 278 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:09,200 aware of it. >> Uh it's just an ongoing saga with us 279 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:12,240 over there. crazy. [laughter] If 280 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:17,039 » something comes up, we find something we can do or whatnot, you know, we'll do 281 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:20,000 it. >> At the mortgage company, 282 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:23,919 » reiterate back to the sheriff that we were here tonight 283 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:28,799 again. >> Yeah, we'll just keep keep poking away. 284 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:30,400 I don't know. Again, thank you. 285 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:35,440 » Thank you. >> Thank you for coming, Chris. 286 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:40,799 » Okay. Nothing else under audience concerns. Uh we have 287 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:45,600 correspondence and announcements. I have one piece of correspondence that I would 288 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:50,400 bring forward. I hand it out. We have a notice from uh a copy of a notice from 289 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:56,400 the Lorraine County Board of Commissioners uh to Attorney John uh D. 290 00:21:53,840 --> 00:22:04,720 Clark agent. Lorraine County Board of Commissioners adopted resolution 26-472 291 00:22:00,799 --> 00:22:10,240 on August 25th, 2026 denying a decision on an expedited two annexation of 292 00:22:07,039 --> 00:22:15,600 approximately 65.2559 acres from Ammerst Township to the city 293 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:20,080 of Alli, Ohio. Attorney John Clark is agent for Petitioner Builders and 294 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:24,159 Developers Incorporated. Rich Baron, president. This is being forwarded for 295 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:30,799 your information and files. Terreselle Upton clerk. Okay. The commissioners did 296 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:38,080 deny the annexation on the 25th of August. The only thing I could add is 297 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:45,919 they're still and they may do it uh able to uh seek uh a court order of mandemus 298 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:50,000 compelling the commissioners to act upon this 299 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:56,240 uh compelling them to approve it. But uh 300 00:22:53,919 --> 00:23:02,159 as of now it was turned down and I'm very thankful for that at this time. Do 301 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:08,480 you have anything else to add, Neil? >> Yes, David. We will need an executive 302 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:12,880 session on the ongoing potential litigation on this matter. And just so 303 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:18,480 you're aware, this document, the official document from the county is 304 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:23,120 what legal counsel for the annexation applicant was waiting for before they 305 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:27,039 could actually file a rid of mandamus. But we'll have discussion executive 306 00:23:25,120 --> 00:23:30,880 session on this. >> So we will need an executive session, 307 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:33,880 » right? For this there will also be personnel. 308 00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:42,159 » For the exe executive session, >> yes, the executive session will be two 309 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:46,960 items. The one will be on the potential litigation with the annexation. The 310 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:53,840 personnel is going to be with some changes that are ongoing with the 311 00:23:49,679 --> 00:23:58,799 healthc care uh cost that uh may necessitate the township doing something 312 00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:04,960 sooner since people will have to be signing up for these new health care 313 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:09,679 programs in uh the October time frame. And so I just want to discuss what the 314 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:14,320 potential changes are that we could do here in the township and planning for 315 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:20,799 that. We can't wait till our organizational meeting because it'll be 316 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:25,279 after the required sign up date. Okay. Personnel 317 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:29,520 and Okay. 318 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:34,159 Okay. Well, we'll have to go into that then. Okay. 319 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:38,279 uh correspondence. Uh 320 00:24:38,799 --> 00:24:42,320 » I'll do it on the reports, David. Thank you. 321 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,720 » You have anything further, Neil? >> I do, but I'll handle those on the 322 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:50,480 reports. >> Okay. Next, uh it uh we will move on to 323 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:56,159 reports. Ambulance service. Do we have anything new under ambulance? 324 00:24:53,279 --> 00:24:58,640 » No, we don't have a date yet for the next meeting. 325 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,640 » You know, David, you ask this every meeting. 326 00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:03,600 » We never have a date. We haven't had a date since I don't know. 327 00:25:02,159 --> 00:25:07,679 » I'll tell you what, you call the chairperson, David. I'm not the 328 00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:12,320 chairperson who sets the date. >> I've given the dates. I'm available. 329 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:14,960 » But stop stop playing games. This isn't a place to play games. This is serious 330 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:18,880 business. >> And what is it? I just bring it up every 331 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:21,200 meeting, Neil. Yes or no? We just don't have it. 332 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,320 » David, when's the next consortium meeting? 333 00:25:21,919 --> 00:25:26,559 » Next. >> I attended for you for two years. You're 334 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:30,080 our representative. And for two years, I attended the meetings cuz you missed 335 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:34,720 them all. Now, are we going to keep playing these games? When's the next 336 00:25:32,559 --> 00:25:38,400 consortium meeting, David? And will you be there? 337 00:25:35,679 --> 00:25:40,240 » Next consortium meeting is in October. >> Will you be there? 338 00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:47,039 » Yes, I'll be there. >> Okay. Because it is a fact that I 339 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:51,039 attended in your place for 2 years. I never once asked you when the meeting 340 00:25:49,039 --> 00:25:56,720 was. Are you going to ask again next month? 341 00:25:52,880 --> 00:26:01,720 » No, I just bring it forth in the thing. Fire Prevention Officer Chris Nihard, 342 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:09,760 Zoning Inspector, Ryan Valentin. 343 00:26:06,159 --> 00:26:16,320 » Yeah, we have a uh BZA meeting set for September 10th at 6 p.m. for an area 344 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:22,880 variance hearing. Um year to date, we're at 179 total permits with 92 of them 345 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:28,480 being new construction homes. Uh we've collected 184,000 346 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:34,760 $848.76 at this time. Um with a total park fee 347 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,760 of $22,500. 348 00:26:35,039 --> 00:26:41,120 Um and that's the end of my report. 349 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:45,279 Okay. >> And Ryan, I won't be at that BCA meeting 350 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:50,000 because I have the Lorco meeting that same night. 351 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:53,840 » Okay. Um, and for the other trustees, I just want want you to know that in the 352 00:26:51,919 --> 00:26:59,840 future, Ryan's actually going to show the zoning fees and the park fees 353 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:05,200 collected also on an annual basis. I don't have the exact numbers for 2025, 354 00:27:03,279 --> 00:27:09,520 but I know the zoning fees were around 100,000, the park fees were 12,000. 355 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:13,600 Obviously, with the additional construction, we're going to be almost 356 00:27:11,679 --> 00:27:18,960 double that. We'll definitely hit double that in 2026. 357 00:27:16,159 --> 00:27:23,679 Um, I don't want people to think this is the norm because it's not. You know, 358 00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:28,400 we've got, we used to keep track on our agenda as far as the actual construction 359 00:27:25,919 --> 00:27:31,760 each year. So, we had that history and there were years where there was 360 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:37,520 basically nothing being constructed and zoning fees were, you know, only a 361 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:42,640 fraction of this, less than 10%. So, just you can't plan for this to be 362 00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:46,400 every single year, but for the next few years, this probably is going to be the 363 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:50,559 case. But we'll see that when Ryan gets that 364 00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:53,960 organized and put together for his future reports. 365 00:27:54,640 --> 00:28:01,760 » Well, anything [snorts] else, Ryan, under 366 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:07,600 that? No, that's all >> I The only thing I would add is uh there 367 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:12,320 was the final site plan review for Stratton Corners and a week ago on the 368 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:16,799 first and [clears throat] I believe the uh zoning commission did approve that 369 00:28:14,399 --> 00:28:19,799 final plan. uh 370 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:29,279 road parks and cemeteries. Road superintendent smarsh 371 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:38,080 other than uh a couple hundred feet of uh ditch dipping and a whole lot of tree 372 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:42,520 trimming. Um it's just um been all regular maintenance running smooth. 373 00:28:44,159 --> 00:28:46,654 Okay. [clears throat] 374 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:54,960 All right. Uh, that's that senior services township 375 00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:58,720 administrator. Township administrator Arasco. 376 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:02,880 » Um, just that Kevin and I are still working on the MAC truck. Um, I think we 377 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:08,080 came with a decision with what we're going to go with. And then this week or 378 00:29:06,399 --> 00:29:11,120 next week, we're going to talk with the bank and get everything set up and we'll 379 00:29:09,679 --> 00:29:16,880 have Chris included in on that conversation also. So that's what we got 380 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:19,880 going on. That's it. >> Okay. 381 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:28,799 » Oh, which I did send you guys emails too on with what we decided. Did everybody 382 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:34,640 Did you guys get that also? No. Maybe 383 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:37,200 with the interest rate the sevenyear. >> I gave you my opinion. 384 00:29:36,559 --> 00:29:41,440 » Yeah, >> we'll go through some of that here later 385 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:46,000 when I get the reports then, Morgan. >> Okay. 386 00:29:42,799 --> 00:29:51,440 Okay. Um, and also [clears throat] I believe that powering our communities 387 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:55,600 grant was approved or that went up powering our communities, but that one 388 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:59,919 for the tree removal. Yes. >> For the tree removal for what? $2,800. 389 00:29:58,559 --> 00:30:04,399 » Yes. Only was approved. >> Yes, it was. Yep. Through Noc. Yep. 390 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:09,440 » All right. Uh, moving along. Trustee reports. 391 00:30:07,919 --> 00:30:13,840 Jeremy, do you have anything? >> Yep. Just a couple things. Um, I did get 392 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:20,240 a good followup with the Girl Scout troop. So, they're looking at doing this 393 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:25,760 as a a bronze award for their Girl Scout program. It's basically just going to be 394 00:30:22,159 --> 00:30:29,520 a small um standup shed kind of thing where people can put Frisbes, footballs, 395 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:33,120 soccer balls, and stuff and we'll keep it in the township park. It sounds like 396 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:37,440 this isn't going to be till November. Um, so it won't be any rush. It'll be 397 00:30:35,279 --> 00:30:40,720 something they use next year. So Kevin, when it gets closer, you and I can meet 398 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:46,000 and we'll find a place where it's not going to be in your way, but it's 399 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:51,039 accessible to everybody. Um, and uh, get that. It'll be a nice little bonus for 400 00:30:47,919 --> 00:30:58,559 the park down there. And then um, I did not hear back about the trail program. 401 00:30:55,840 --> 00:31:04,240 So, the last I heard there's an application and a fee. I responded 402 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:07,039 uh it that would eventually be on the website for Lake. 403 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:14,399 Okay. >> Um and uh I asked you know before it's 404 00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:17,600 on the website, can I pick up the documents? Can you email me the 405 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:22,240 documents? And I have not got any response. So I don't have any uh updates 406 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:27,120 on where we're going. >> And the contact information I sent you 407 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:31,279 Jeremy of Mark Chapo's email was on there. I don't remember. I don't have 408 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:33,440 the has email, but I have a cell phone for 409 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:37,840 » Yeah, I had the cell. I just wasn't sure if I had Well, 410 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:41,519 » yeah, I can try an email as well, but I I don't have any updates as far as um 411 00:31:40,399 --> 00:31:45,200 whether they're going to be on board with that or not. 412 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:47,840 » Yeah, that's all I had. David, thank you. 413 00:31:46,559 --> 00:31:51,919 » Neil, you anything? >> Yeah. Well, first off, just another 414 00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:55,519 response. So, um Jeremy, in the future, too, even working with the scouts and 415 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:59,440 we've worked with the Girl Scouts and the Boy Scouts. Boy Scouts, it tends to 416 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:03,840 be more when they're working towards their eagle. 417 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:08,640 » Um, but we try and leave it open to them some too because the corner gardens 418 00:32:06,159 --> 00:32:13,919 which are in terrible disarray and what used to have the Girl Scouts had put up 419 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:19,279 birdous, those have been vandalized over the years. Um, but that's one of the 420 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:22,720 projects they've done in the past and essentially we provide the mulch and 421 00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:25,200 whatnot, but they come in and do the work. 422 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:32,559 » But it's something that can be age appropriate. So it, you know, you don't 423 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:35,760 need the um the older um scouts as far as whether it's boys or girl scouts 424 00:32:34,159 --> 00:32:40,320 doing it. Some of the younger ones can participate in that. So just you know if 425 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:43,760 if you develop this contact that would help. We used to have some of the scout 426 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,240 leaders here in our township which you know they move on as the kids move on. 427 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:51,279 » Right. >> And I think the one you have now were 428 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:54,640 they from Lraine was it? Or was she >> but the one was Vermilion? 429 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:58,000 » Vermilion. Okay. I'll have to see. It's not as strong as it used to be, 430 00:32:57,279 --> 00:32:59,679 » but okay. >> Yep. They're excited about it, though. 431 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,799 So, >> well, think about that because 432 00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:07,120 especially, >> you know, that might be one in the 433 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:13,200 future could be tied [snorts] with the um Lorraine County uh beautiful with the 434 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:17,440 solid waste district, you know, that's what we had before. We try and get the 435 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:21,720 scouts out there, you know, to actually do, you know, work with us on. 436 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:28,799 » Okay. Um, Georanne has my report up here. Uh, Georanne, this is first on the 437 00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:34,720 Corey Creek drainage. Can you bring up the actual plan, the overhead of the 438 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:39,600 plot plan for that drainage? Okay. This is I've been working with uh Andy Cooksy 439 00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:44,080 sent out, I believe was last Friday, some changes he'd like to make. Uh it's 440 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:47,760 still going back and forth between the prosecutor's office, the community 441 00:33:46,159 --> 00:33:54,399 development, um and soil and water as far as the 442 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:59,840 finalization of the easements. Uh Andy's uh I responded to Andy's uh email. He's 443 00:33:57,919 --> 00:34:03,679 responded back today actually. He met with the county engineer. He said the 444 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:08,639 county engineers asked for a couple other small tweaks. Hopefully that means 445 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:12,879 he said we should have those easements for every property owner. uh that's 446 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:17,919 impacted with the trunk line. Now, that's the main 10-in trunk line follows 447 00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:22,720 through here, not the laterals that come off that will become the resident's 448 00:34:20,399 --> 00:34:27,599 responsibility, but we'll be able to get those easements so that once we have 449 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:32,000 those, we can go out for bid. But what Andy wants to do, uh Georgian, if you 450 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:37,839 can go to the east, he's talking about extending this a little further to the 451 00:34:33,839 --> 00:34:42,480 east. Um I'm leaving that up to him in the storm water district. Uh I 452 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:46,000 had told him he must have checked back through their records and they've 453 00:34:44,240 --> 00:34:51,440 actually had complaints from the residents to the east uh two parcel 454 00:34:48,399 --> 00:34:55,760 actually three parcels. Um I said we didn't have a plan here from the 455 00:34:52,960 --> 00:35:03,520 township. There's currently some open swailes there and if we believe the 2005 456 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:09,119 uh topos on the auditor's website that should surface flow to where it would be 457 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:12,960 picked up at the farthest eastern point for this project. But I know Andy would 458 00:35:11,359 --> 00:35:18,720 actually like to get out there and survey the area to verify those topos 459 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:22,240 and what's there. And I told him that in the future it'd be up to the residents 460 00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:26,560 if that filled with debris or vegetation to maintain it. We weren't looking at 461 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:31,200 that for this project. We were just trying to capture the low area where 462 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:36,560 it's flowing off of all the residents uh coming from uh Middle Ridge and and Rice 463 00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:40,720 Road and just kind of flowing into few in the center since they happen to be in 464 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:45,599 the low spots to get it out of there. Uh he also wants to check it to see how 465 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:49,520 much ground cover he's going to have because as he goes further east 466 00:35:47,359 --> 00:35:54,079 obviously that pipe's going to be coming right up to the top of the surface. So I 467 00:35:52,400 --> 00:36:00,320 don't know if this will get extended or not but I let him know. We had no plans 468 00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:05,119 for it. Um but we will see once the easements are put together and if he 469 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:10,000 does survey that area further to the east. He asked about whether he needed 470 00:36:07,839 --> 00:36:14,800 permanent or temporary easements. They said if the storm water district decides 471 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:19,839 to go that far to address those residents complaints, my preference 472 00:36:17,359 --> 00:36:24,160 would be just make them temporary. You know, clean out the swailes, get those 473 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:29,040 set, but let the residents there be responsible for the future and 474 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:33,119 maintaining those swailes. Okay, if you can go back to the report, 475 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:37,920 » the final discharge of this is that on the left hand side over the left the 476 00:36:36,079 --> 00:36:42,079 west, can you show where the discharge is? Yeah, it avoids the It avoids your 477 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,800 family farm >> going right into the ditch there though. 478 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:48,880 » Yes. Yeah. >> Yes. That was an adjustment that was 479 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:54,160 made. So was added cost just to avoid that alto together and come down this 480 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:58,040 way. So there's nothing going across the farm at all. 481 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,040 » Okay. 482 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:09,280 » Okay. If you go back to the report, Georgian, 483 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:15,839 and scroll down to the uh roads and actually you can go all the way to 484 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:19,520 where the uh round 41 schedule is. And by the way, Kevin, as we're here, is 485 00:37:17,359 --> 00:37:23,760 Dennis Concrete gotten a hold of you? >> Yes, he's open uh within the next couple 486 00:37:21,839 --> 00:37:26,560 of weeks to be established in Hidden Valley. 487 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:30,720 » Okay. And that would be for the Deepwood projects. 488 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:36,560 » Yep. He was messed around with the reigns of August as well. 489 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:41,599 » Okay. Yeah. With the um Okay. The first thing she's showing, these are the the 490 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:46,800 uh combination of the finances we hope uh will turn out to be. Uh keep in mind, 491 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:52,320 just a reminder, we did not turn in the mini grants, storm water mini grants yet 492 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:57,839 because we don't necessarily want those unless we're assured of being approved 493 00:37:55,839 --> 00:38:02,800 uh by district 9 of the Ohio Public Works Commission for the road project 494 00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:06,560 because if we just did the catch basin replacements, that's going to cost us 495 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:10,880 considerably more. Kevin's going to have to be out there. Someone's going to have 496 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:14,720 to cut out the concrete, put in preab. Well, then we'll come back later to do 497 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:20,160 the rows. That just doesn't make sense. So, hopefully we get approved. Can you 498 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:24,400 scroll down a little bit, Georgian? Um, this is the actual schedule for 499 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:30,880 round 41. So, what we're looking at is most likely 500 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:35,680 in next month, early October, we should have a sense if our project is going to 501 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:40,960 be approved or not. uh they always caution you even if we do get approved 502 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:44,880 is that uh that doesn't guarantee we get funded because it still has to go 503 00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:49,599 through the state. But my time as a trustee, the state has never pulled 504 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:53,680 back. Uh the closest when the state was in financial 505 00:38:51,680 --> 00:39:01,200 uh difficulties was when people were most concerned that they might uh not 506 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:08,320 fund to the full level that they uh originally appropriated for the public 507 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:12,400 works in all the different districts. Um right below that you see the chip and 508 00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:17,040 seal. Um Kevin I don't you didn't mention this to the township did you? 509 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:21,440 that they'll be out possibly as early as tomorrow for Melway 510 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:25,680 that report. >> I No, I don't know when they're going to 511 00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:28,400 be out, but I did see signs posted. >> Loose gra. 512 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:31,599 » The soonest would be tomorrow. >> Correct. 513 00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:35,839 » I just don't know when. So, uh, as review for the trustees, that's Rice 514 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:41,760 Court, Cornia, Tina Lane, and Eerie Court. And, uh, Kevin's already seen to 515 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:46,000 it with his crew that any base repairs that are necessary have been done. So, 516 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:49,119 we were well in preparation for when they would come out. Now, the contract 517 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:54,079 says it's supposed to be done by September 15th, I imagine there's some 518 00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:59,440 since the county quoted this, there's probably some wiggle room there uh with 519 00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:04,640 weather situations if they have to delay it, but we don't know where they'll 520 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:08,400 start since this is countywide. Um, okay. If you scroll down the the next 521 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:14,000 new plow truck, but go all the way down to the chart. Um, this is where I know 522 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:18,320 that we had some emails going back and forth and Chris had asked that this be 523 00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:24,640 discussed at the meeting. Uh, if you recall, we passed the resolution 524 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:28,240 uh to approve the fully outfitted truck and that's going to be just under 525 00:40:26,079 --> 00:40:34,800 $274,000. It's almost split 50/50 between the 526 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:40,800 basic uh chassis and the snow package that's there. And from the start, I've 527 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:46,000 always wanted this where uh we would have a lease purchase so that the uh 528 00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:50,960 township didn't have to spend all the money at once in watching our cash flow. 529 00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:57,200 And with the lease purchase, realize it's a municipal lease purchase. And so 530 00:40:53,839 --> 00:41:02,000 the um revenue as far as the interest rate that any bank earns is not it's not 531 00:41:00,319 --> 00:41:07,359 federally taxable. So that's where you tend to get the better rates. And I 532 00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:12,880 didn't show all of the items that Morgan had printed out, but I believe Morgan it 533 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:19,440 went from 4.9 to 5.01, whether it was a 3year, 5 year, 7year. So there wasn't 534 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:25,280 that much differential uh between them. But I just want people to understand 535 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:31,119 these are the rates. Now, I'm not an economist. I don't know if I 536 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:36,800 trust economists anyway based on all their predictions. Um, but right now, if 537 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:40,800 you believe what the economists are saying, rates are going to go back up. I 538 00:41:39,119 --> 00:41:45,760 know that's in conflict with what the president wants, but the new Fed 539 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:50,160 chairman is also talking about raising rates, which means our rates will go up. 540 00:41:48,079 --> 00:41:55,520 And where I'm considering that is we aren't sure yet on the fire truck if 541 00:41:52,880 --> 00:42:02,319 that will be paid outright or if that will be on a lease purchase. Also, um I 542 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:06,240 know in previous discussions, Chris, you had indicated you prefer that one to be 543 00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:11,040 paid out because of some of the discussions that the tax budget 544 00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:15,280 commission had in the past. So, we can't really make a decision on that cuz we 545 00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:21,599 don't have those numbers. Um these numbers we do have, but at the same 546 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:27,119 time, we also know that investment earnings are returning around 4%. Well, 547 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:32,319 if your cost is five, it's really only 20% of that cost, assuming everything 548 00:42:30,319 --> 00:42:38,400 stays the same, which is a big assumption over 7 years. Um, if rates go 549 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:43,280 up in terms of what the Fed does, realize our investments will probably go 550 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:46,400 up. And if you've been watching uh CDs and money markets right now, they're 551 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:51,760 actually they've swung back. They're going the other way. They're going up. 552 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:58,880 Um, so our I don't expect in the near term our investment revenue to go down. 553 00:42:55,760 --> 00:43:04,240 Well, even if we just say at 4% versus the 5% cost, it's really only 554 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:10,240 costing us 20%. And so when you look at this over a 7-year period, if it stayed 555 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:14,720 consistent, that'd be $11,55, which on an annual basis is just a 556 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:20,400 little over $1,600. So, since we've already authorized Kevin 557 00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:25,280 and Morgan uh to choose this, I would prefer we leave that there, but we'll 558 00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:28,480 have to have the discussion on the fire later. And I know Chris, you had 559 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:34,000 mentioned it also causes some additional audit um issue. So, the trustees need to 560 00:43:32,319 --> 00:43:39,040 recognize there's additional work for Chris in doing this. And but at the same 561 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:42,960 time, I don't want to take a simple approach and then find ourselves in a 562 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:47,599 cash crunch, which this township has been in in the past. And I've been here 563 00:43:45,119 --> 00:43:51,680 long enough to remember those days when we talked about laying people off and we 564 00:43:49,839 --> 00:43:55,760 weren't doing any street repairs that we just didn't have the money. And I don't 565 00:43:53,359 --> 00:44:00,000 want to see us getting back to that. And that's why the the mention also and 566 00:43:58,079 --> 00:44:04,640 hopefully Ryan will start showing on an annual basis. You know, we were 567 00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:09,599 fortunate with the ARPA money, the COVID money, and now we've got this new 568 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:15,200 development money. You can't expect that to last all the time. Um, and we should 569 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:22,319 be, Kevin, over the last 6 years in good shape. Now, after we get the um plow 570 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:29,280 truck and the fire truck, we should be okay because we got the new van, we got 571 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:35,359 the um pickup truck, uh we got the backhoe, and we had the new box put on 572 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:39,040 and we did all of that with the CO NARPA money. In addition, when we think about 573 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:44,079 some of the other costs that we would have had coming on, we got the park 574 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:48,640 resurface or the parking area and the repairs and resurfacing on the trail. 575 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:54,160 So, those are all expenses we would have had and had we not had that ARPA money 576 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:58,400 or had this growth, we would be having a whole different discussion here. We 577 00:44:56,079 --> 00:45:02,319 would definitely have no choice but to go through with the lease purchase. So 578 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:07,440 that's just my position and I do recognize and Chris I appreciate all the 579 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:12,079 work you're doing because as I've said before it didn't start really start till 580 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:17,839 Howard came in but Chris has taken it to a new level as far as keeping those 581 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:21,200 since we get these lumpy uh amounts of revenue coming in and 582 00:45:19,599 --> 00:45:26,960 Chris reported earlier still hadn't received second half for 2026. Well, you 583 00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:33,119 get those two big lumps of money. That's when she gets even more invested, but 584 00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:37,280 then you're paying it out as you go. Um, I'm also with the fire truck. We'll look 585 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:42,240 at that later. And this is going to be beyond my time cuz I'm not going to live 586 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:49,280 forever, hold this seat forever. Jeremy, you might want to consider this is we 587 00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:53,040 are now at a4 million in payout. You know, we're at the point we're doing 588 00:45:50,640 --> 00:46:00,000 that deficit spending, but we've got a healthy balance there. If we pay out 589 00:45:56,079 --> 00:46:05,599 over it'll be $1.3 million out of that, that goes away 590 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:10,800 as does the 4% or over $40,000 a year in interest you're earning. Goes away. 591 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:16,240 Whereas if you again, we can't say till we see what the new rates are, but we 592 00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:19,839 might want to do the same thing. I don't know what the terms would be, but that's 593 00:46:18,079 --> 00:46:24,800 a way to get the truck. And all you would do is delay when you have to go 594 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:29,359 and ask the voters for a new levy. And what they've changed in levies, we can't 595 00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:34,960 ask for replacement anymore. It's either renewal or new. Well, a renewal just 596 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:39,760 gives us exactly what we always got. So, you'll definitely be in the position of 597 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:44,560 asking for new money at some time. So, by doing it this way, you just push that 598 00:46:41,839 --> 00:46:48,079 out in the future versus doing it sooner. And you'll get more of that as 599 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:51,839 you, you know, you're going to have some of that your normal business sense, but 600 00:46:49,839 --> 00:46:57,440 you'll get some of the more training, you know, as the years go by down at the 601 00:46:53,839 --> 00:47:00,960 OTAA. But Chris, that's I know it's not what you'd hope. 602 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:04,319 » I just want one of them to be paid for. I don't care which one it is. If it's 603 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:06,079 the fire engine, 604 00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,319 » well, >> you want to pay cash for one of them. 605 00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:10,880 » Yeah, absolutely. >> Okay. 606 00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:15,520 » Yeah. I just can't. >> That's why I was like, $237. I can cut 607 00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:17,599 that tomorrow. >> Mhm. 608 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:20,000 » Yeah. Well, >> or 73,000. 609 00:47:19,119 --> 00:47:23,599 » 273. >> Again, I prefer I'm looking at right 610 00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:29,240 now. So, it's not in the road department. 611 00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:29,240 There's over $200,000 612 00:47:29,359 --> 00:47:37,520 sitting in the general fund right now. It's actually about $280,000. 613 00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:43,520 That's all zoning fees right now that in the past we don't 614 00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:47,839 have. I hate to just go out again. I remember the lean years. I don't want to 615 00:47:45,839 --> 00:47:52,400 go back to that. I always prefer we have something, especially when there's those 616 00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:56,560 emergencies and we get a road upheaval coming up here. Kevin, there's no 617 00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:59,440 choice. You got to go out and repair it. >> Do we have any idea what the fire 618 00:47:57,839 --> 00:48:04,880 truck's going to cost? >> Yeah, it's um I believe the quote was 619 00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:09,280 1.2 million. Then we've got up to 50,000 though we expect the cost to be 20,000. 620 00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:14,880 That's just putting all the bracketry on. Um, we will get an offset with the 621 00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:20,319 sale of the other truck and that's one I still have to work with the prosecutor's 622 00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:24,559 office on that. The logic in this and we're doing it with an outside service 623 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:29,760 that was recommended by Ammerst Fire Department. Same ones that they use 624 00:48:27,839 --> 00:48:32,960 is in the past they used to try and put all the hangers and bracketry on 625 00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:37,119 themselves to hang the equipment. Well, they're not. That's not their forte. You 626 00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:40,960 take it to place that does it all the time that's all set up with their shop 627 00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:44,480 with all their equipment there. It's much quicker. You can get I think 628 00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:48,319 they've got >> I forget the quote, Jeremy, but I think 629 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:52,240 it was either a week or two weeks. There's a limited time they can have 630 00:48:49,839 --> 00:48:56,319 that truck out of service that they have to turn it around. So, it'll be probably 631 00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:59,680 1.3 million. >> But we're splitting. That's like a split 632 00:48:58,319 --> 00:49:04,240 or we we're buying a >> No, we're buying our own truck. 633 00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:09,119 » Yes. That's part of the agreement because here's your option. If you don't 634 00:49:06,319 --> 00:49:12,640 buy it, then the city buys it, but now you're paying more than the roughly 635 00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:19,119 quarter million we're paying a year, you're going to pay much more. 636 00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:25,040 » Um, at the time it was a doubling of the quarterly payment. If we didn't have the 637 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:30,480 truck, and that was every single year. And when you looked at uh the life cycle 638 00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:34,720 of the truck, it was a lower cost to provide 639 00:49:32,079 --> 00:49:39,280 um the tanker truck. Now, Ammerst needs a tanker truck also, but on a much more 640 00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:43,680 limited basis in the township because the majority of the city has fire 641 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:47,760 hydrants all around. We got many areas in our township, there's no hydrants. 642 00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:52,000 where we've been adding hydrants is every time there is a new development, 643 00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:56,559 not only do we get it in the development, if we can get the hydrants 644 00:49:53,760 --> 00:50:02,720 somewhere else, we do. Uh the typical, for instance, is down on 58 cuz we had 645 00:49:59,599 --> 00:50:06,720 hydrants on added on 58 so that they don't have to drag hoses across five 646 00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:11,760 lanes of highway. >> Well, that was paved by the development 647 00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:16,000 versus us paying it out of our fire fund, you know, just going and adding 648 00:50:13,839 --> 00:50:19,599 them somewhere. And even with those, you got to work with every one of the 649 00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:25,119 different water authorities to even put it on. So we've got uh Nora water, we've 650 00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:30,319 got Ayria water, we've got Ammerst Water, we got Rural Lraine County Water, 651 00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:34,480 we got Lraine Water. So we got five different entities. So Lraine, I guess 652 00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:38,240 we can say, has been taken over by the county, at least the four. We got all 653 00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:41,760 these different water authorities to deal with also 654 00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:46,559 » and getting them in. So, >> so Chris, if we're paying cash for 1.3 655 00:50:44,319 --> 00:50:50,240 million or 273, what makes more sense to you? 656 00:50:48,559 --> 00:50:54,000 » Like you want to pay cash for that firet truck? 657 00:50:51,359 --> 00:50:57,839 » We have I've it's been appropriated over because every year the budget commission 658 00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,520 asks, "Why do you have $2 million sitting in your account?" 659 00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:04,000 » Yeah. >> And every year I've responded, "Well, 660 00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:08,160 we're buying a new firet truck, so I don't want to 661 00:51:06,319 --> 00:51:12,319 » Okay. Yeah. Works for me." But I've had that discussion directly with Craig 662 00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:17,440 Snodgrass and he understands it. Like Craig, you know, we've had this truck we 663 00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:20,400 purchased in 2003, the current truck. >> Mhm. 664 00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:25,599 » So, and here we we ordered this truck over 3 years ago. We had a 38 month and 665 00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:30,480 I think now we're at 40 months already build cycle. So, you can't, you know, 666 00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:33,520 it's not like you're paying it out, but you're holding that money letting it 667 00:51:31,839 --> 00:51:36,880 build up knowing eventually you got to buy a truck. 668 00:51:34,240 --> 00:51:41,200 » Mhm. But I'm still saying my preference, I know this goes contrary to what Chris 669 00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:44,960 would be, depending upon what the numbers are at the time the truck 670 00:51:43,119 --> 00:51:48,880 becomes available, >> may still want to do the lease purchase 671 00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:55,599 on it. So, we're just taking a small bite at the apple because once you take 672 00:51:51,680 --> 00:52:05,680 that um 1.3 million out of there, you figure what each each um 1% is $13,000. 673 00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:09,280 So 4% you're actually talking $52,000. That's $52,000 less a year you have. 674 00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:14,640 » Mhm. >> Well, if you lease this really and let's 675 00:52:12,079 --> 00:52:18,960 assume it's still a 1% differential. Obviously, you got to pay it out, too. 676 00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:23,599 Well, you're going to lose that money, which means we're going to be in a 677 00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:29,440 position of asking for a levy, a new levy sooner to pay for fire. I mean, 678 00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:32,079 that's just the reality of it. So, it's just a matter of cash flow. 679 00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:35,680 » Okay. >> Okay. But that's something we're we're 680 00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:41,680 going to have to look at when we get closer. And there will be 681 00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:47,359 um some residual from the truck we've got here. I don't know how much that's 682 00:52:43,599 --> 00:52:53,839 going to be. Um, it's Grinley Fire Apparatus out of Alabama is who Amherst 683 00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:58,160 is looking at, though they still haven't committed to that for their uh pumper 684 00:52:56,160 --> 00:53:02,960 truck cuz they're getting a pumper engine replaced also. And they're 685 00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:08,720 recommending we go with the same thing here. Uh, because the two townships in 686 00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:13,040 Lorraine County that expressed an interest in our tanker truck before no 687 00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:18,240 longer have an interest. I assume they've got one somewhere else to get a 688 00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:24,160 used one. Um, so I've got to work with the prosecutor on that because reading 689 00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:30,880 the code it gets kind of crazy since I also know that um, uh, Pierce will not 690 00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:34,800 take we our preference is here you take the old truck, give us that trade in, 691 00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:39,440 we'll get the new one, reduce it. That we can do very clean with the revised 692 00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:42,880 code. They don't want it because of the age. 693 00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:46,720 » Mhm. and uh Brinley, there's several different manufacturers that will market 694 00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:51,680 your truck to sell it. Obviously, they take a piece off of that just like a 695 00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:55,760 realtor would. Um they're at the same point. Once it gets over 20 years, they 696 00:53:54,079 --> 00:53:59,440 don't want to deal with it. And that's where we're at with this. So, but they 697 00:53:57,599 --> 00:54:05,280 will put it out there and usually it's smaller for jurisdictions that are going 698 00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:11,839 to purchase an old truck. But I have no idea what it's going to be. I can tell 699 00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:17,920 you the engine in Amherst, let me just say it's under 40,000. 700 00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:21,760 Our first estimate. Now, that was an estimate from three almost four years 701 00:54:20,079 --> 00:54:26,960 ago. They're not even giving an estimate for it now. So, who knows what it'll be, 702 00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:31,520 but we'll get some residual off the old truck. Hopefully, something better than 703 00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:35,559 that because it has been maintained. Um, but we'll see. 704 00:54:32,559 --> 00:54:35,559 » Okay. 705 00:54:37,119 --> 00:54:43,119 Okay. Uh, >> anything else new? 706 00:54:40,079 --> 00:54:49,599 » Yes. Um, Golden Acres, uh, just a reminder, we are meeting on, uh, 707 00:54:46,079 --> 00:54:56,800 September 10th at 2:00 at the county. Uh, I do know that the, uh, developer 708 00:54:53,599 --> 00:55:03,119 that's interested has put together the plan. Um, I know they were to send it to 709 00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:08,240 Jim Zick, Metro Parks director. I don't know if that's happened. I haven't been 710 00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:11,760 in contact with Jim since then to see if uh this would have been at least three 711 00:55:09,839 --> 00:55:15,839 weeks ago. I haven't talked with Jim to see if he's 712 00:55:13,599 --> 00:55:20,640 got that plan. And Jim was also supposed to put a a sketch of where the trails 713 00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:25,520 would be, but he wanted to see the development plan before he could put the 714 00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:29,359 trail plan in. But I've also heard from one of the commissioners that we're 715 00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:36,319 probably and when he says we, I don't know who we is, unless that means Metro 716 00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:43,200 Parks, uh, the county, uh, the township that have interest in this, um, may have 717 00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:46,640 to meet with the port authority because somehow, if you recall, that was where 718 00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:50,720 Jim Miller was to take it to the board of the port authority to feel them out 719 00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:54,960 and gauge their interest. Sounds like there are more questions and answers. I 720 00:55:53,359 --> 00:55:58,240 don't want to waste a lot of time. If we don't, if the property doesn't sell, 721 00:55:56,559 --> 00:56:02,720 there's no need to even be talking about this. Um, I do know this developer's up 722 00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:08,000 the price. They're not upping it anymore. You know, what they're offering 723 00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:13,200 per acre is already more than what the developer for the 65 acres under 724 00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:19,040 annexation is offering per acre. I mean, I think he's probably paying too much as 725 00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:24,559 it is now, but we'll just have to see where that goes. So, another a small 726 00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:29,119 potential update on that project, and again, it won't matter if it doesn't go 727 00:56:26,240 --> 00:56:32,559 through, but I talked to some uh private donors who would be interested in 728 00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:37,280 purchasing the Dewey road lots and donating it to the metro parks. 729 00:56:34,559 --> 00:56:40,559 » So, I, you know, talking to Tom about that, it sounded like, you know, by the 730 00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:45,280 time they put this much money in, there's no value to them anyways. So if 731 00:56:43,359 --> 00:56:48,880 there was, you know, whatever value we came up with for those three lots on 732 00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:51,520 Dewey, somebody potentially just pay cash and give it right to the 733 00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:57,200 » You know what? I don't know if you're talking the same ones because this was a 734 00:56:54,079 --> 00:57:03,280 couple years ago. I know an individual that was willing to donate towards the 735 00:57:00,240 --> 00:57:05,280 park itself and the [clears throat] trails. 736 00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:11,040 » This is somebody else. >> Yeah. The issue is 737 00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:14,000 if some And it could still work. That could still work. Yeah, 738 00:57:12,559 --> 00:57:17,839 » just be coming up with the value. >> Yeah, that could work too because then 739 00:57:15,839 --> 00:57:21,359 they're out of it. Yeah, they just all they want to do is get their money back 740 00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:28,400 » and that's essential because they'll have the unlock system. But yeah, that's 741 00:57:23,359 --> 00:57:31,680 another possibility. Um being with that, >> it's probably best you talk with the 742 00:57:30,079 --> 00:57:35,680 developer direct. I don't want to hear about the details. 743 00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:39,799 » Yeah. Not not in something like that, Jeremy. 744 00:57:36,799 --> 00:57:39,799 » Um 745 00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:47,839 » Okay. foundation help. I know you guys weren't able to attend the uh photo op 746 00:57:45,839 --> 00:57:51,119 for their it wasn't technically groundbreaking since they were already 747 00:57:49,359 --> 00:57:54,880 had their foundation and if you go out there now you'll see it's going 748 00:57:52,640 --> 00:58:00,319 vertical. They're putting up trusses today. Uh but they did indicate when 749 00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:06,640 it's time for the actual grand opening there will be a ribbon cutting and so 750 00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:11,200 they will let us know when that is. The next one, Stratton Corners. Uh, 751 00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:17,119 David already mentioned and can you show the actual development plan there, 752 00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:21,839 Georgian? Okay. What um David had mentioned on 753 00:58:19,359 --> 00:58:29,359 September 1st, uh, David Kohler of Cambridge Development was here and he 754 00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:34,960 did discuss that uh, he got the um, site plan review for his uh, final plan for 755 00:58:32,559 --> 00:58:39,119 phase one. Phase one. And can you outline that roughly, 756 00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:44,160 Georgian? It's really going to be about half of this. So, there's 74 homes. 757 00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:48,799 We're probably talking about 35. Are you running your cursor? Yep, she is. I just 758 00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:52,720 have trouble seeing it. The um probably 35 to 40 homes in the first phase. It's 759 00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:57,839 actually going to be the portion of the west. Uh I don't recall him giving an 760 00:58:55,280 --> 00:59:03,200 exact number. Uh this plan doesn't show the landscape plan, but he did have the 761 00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:09,040 landscape plan there for approval. He has the erosion and sediment control and 762 00:59:05,599 --> 00:59:13,599 storm water plan approved. Um, if you've been driving by the area, you'll see 763 00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:20,400 there's been more concrete poured. So, the main road coming in off of Oland 764 00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:25,839 Road uh is constructed uh heading to the east. Uh they actually poured a portion 765 00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:31,101 to the north, which is actually the left on here. The way this map is laid out, 766 00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:36,000 um they poured that first. I don't quite [snorts] understand the the order of 767 00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:40,720 their pouring, but they've still got some more roadway uh to put in place. 768 00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:46,000 All the underground is already taken care of on here. Um there will be the 769 00:59:44,079 --> 00:59:51,599 floating fountains in there to keep the water agitated. Um so, and that's a nice 770 00:59:49,839 --> 00:59:56,240 feature. Also, there will only be two wet ponds. Um because that was one thing 771 00:59:54,319 --> 01:00:00,799 that was discussed at the meeting that the uh plans that he didn't give us 772 00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:06,720 electronic versions cuz he had just gotten them prior to his meeting on 773 01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:12,000 September 1st. Um but those plans show three wet said no 774 01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:16,640 there's only two. So that area that is to the left which is north of the bat 775 01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:21,359 house ditch that's actually going to be dry. Um so though it might show that 776 01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:25,839 it's blue it's actually going to be a dry area. It will take the overflow and 777 01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:32,520 the batten house ditch overflows, but it will settle back into the ditch as the 778 01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:32,520 water goes down. Um, 779 01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:39,760 the Let's see. 780 01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:43,799 Just got to I think I may need my glasses here to read this. 781 01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:59,040 Oh, the yeah, the last item he he promised because he didn't show it 782 01:00:55,520 --> 01:01:05,520 during the site uh the final uh site plan review for phase one is the roughly 783 01:01:02,559 --> 01:01:11,760 16 12 acres there. Can you show that that acreage, Georgian? Is he still Yes, 784 01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:15,680 he understands. Oh, that's better. That he's got to put the walking trails in 785 01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:21,040 there, but they have to connect. There's 95 acres to the south of this or in this 786 01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:28,000 case to the right uh which we know eventually will develop, but in in uh 787 01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:30,960 compliance with our comprehensive plan zoning, we'd like to keep those 788 01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:35,520 interconnected. And so he's agreed, but he says they 789 01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:39,359 still haven't determined exactly where the layout is. They want to preserve the 790 01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:45,640 larger trees and take out the undergrowth. So that will be connected. 791 01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:45,640 Um, 792 01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:51,359 » tree planting. Kevin, I don't know if we want any of those trees that through the 793 01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:55,680 first energy program or not. They're going to be small ones. 794 01:01:52,720 --> 01:02:00,079 » Yeah. No, I have some small trees um at the end of the field that I'm going to 795 01:01:58,079 --> 01:02:02,880 plant. You know, I don't want to plant them in 796 01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:05,359 August, even though I probably could have. Uh, [snorts] 797 01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:10,160 » yeah, this August. [laughter] >> Right. Uh, but for the uh for the noc 798 01:02:09,839 --> 01:02:14,559 money, >> right, the [clears throat] Okay, good. 799 01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:21,200 Yeah. And speaking of the NOPEC grant, that's on here also is though Morgan did 800 01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:23,839 indicate that the uh the dispersement was approved, but I don't want to close 801 01:02:22,799 --> 01:02:29,440 it out till [clears throat] we've got the money. So once Chris tells us you've 802 01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:34,000 got the money, we'll close it off. Otherwise, I'm going to keep that open. 803 01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:40,240 Um Venice complaints I just put down in here and we did have um Mr. Veru and Mr. 804 01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:44,319 McNab here earlier. I added on the rice road complaint and I don't know sounds 805 01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:48,720 Jeremy probably because you live over there you're hearing it I don't know if 806 01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:53,280 you are David but you know you you hear these complaints about that area and 807 01:02:51,599 --> 01:02:58,079 it's like you keep telling people the same thing so that's why if you saw 808 01:02:55,119 --> 01:03:03,119 there was a response put together um and it appeared I think Mr. McNab indicated 809 01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:07,280 Karen's is white and that's why we try to keep the response the same and we've 810 01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:12,559 been through this. Our hands are kind of tied at this point in time. Um their 811 01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:18,000 best bet is to continue working through law enforcement because this is actually 812 01:03:15,119 --> 01:03:23,920 more so than a civil this is a criminal uh issue that needs to be addressed. Um 813 01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:27,760 but that'll be the end of my report. David. 814 01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:34,109 » Okay. This time I have nothing further to 815 01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:39,119 bring forward under reports here [clears throat] 816 01:03:35,039 --> 01:03:46,240 uh except that uh the policy committee will meet for the solid waste district 817 01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:52,000 next week on the 15th instead of on the 8th today. So that's all I have to bring 818 01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:57,760 at this time and 819 01:03:54,799 --> 01:04:00,559 u unfinished business. I have nothing further under arms finished business. 820 01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:06,799 » Nothing. >> All right. And uh 821 01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:12,160 » you have something >> uh under uh 822 01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:15,119 uh the township administrator. Is this something you want to do after executive 823 01:04:13,839 --> 01:04:18,480 session in your mind? >> The executive session is different on 824 01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:21,359 personnel. It's dealing with the >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know if that 825 01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:26,079 would do into this or not. I don't think there's any need to, David, because we 826 01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:32,640 had this discussion in the past uh determine what the rate was uh for this 827 01:04:29,359 --> 01:04:38,319 year. We just weren't sure as far as the timing of bringing Morgan on fulltime. 828 01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:44,079 Um we just knew we had to do something at this meeting and I kind of left it 829 01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:48,480 open, you know, respecting Chris usually tried to do time things between payrolls 830 01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:55,599 and she's got she's the one that's got to handle this part. So, um, I put it as 831 01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:58,079 September 1st or let's see, how do I word it? 832 01:04:56,559 --> 01:05:01,839 » September 1st. >> Yeah. Well, I put September 1st, Chris, 833 01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:05,760 but I put some words in there so that you can adjust that. Um, 834 01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:10,000 » or the earliest effective date. >> September 1st is 835 01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:12,960 » that works for you. Okay. >> We already talked about it. 836 01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:19,359 » Oh, good. Well, you've got it. She's got the paperwork she needs to fill out for 837 01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:23,520 » uh waving her coverage >> until we need to cover you. 838 01:05:20,799 --> 01:05:24,799 » Yep. >> Okay. 839 01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:29,280 » Yeah. >> So, this would be resolution 93 if I 840 01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:33,599 » correct. >> Yeah. And basically, it's now it'll be 841 01:05:31,119 --> 01:05:39,280 at the C3 rate, which is what Morgan's getting now, but it's just changing the 842 01:05:35,839 --> 01:05:40,960 hours now to 40 hours. Okay, 843 01:05:39,599 --> 01:05:45,319 » that's your motion. >> Yes. 844 01:05:42,319 --> 01:05:45,319 Second. 845 01:06:03,119 --> 01:06:10,480 » Okay. Motion been made and seconded. Any further discussion? 846 01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:12,160 No further discussion. Roll call. >> Lynch. Yes. 847 01:06:11,599 --> 01:06:13,920 » Watson. >> Yes. 848 01:06:13,119 --> 01:06:16,400 » Yes. >> And what number was that again? 849 01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:20,200 » 9326. >> 93. Thank you. 850 01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:25,079 » So, Chris, you're ahead of the game again. 851 01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:32,000 » Thanks, Morgan. >> Thank you. 852 01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:35,280 » I appreciate it. >> Appreciate you. 853 01:06:33,119 --> 01:06:39,319 » Thanks. Let 854 01:06:35,359 --> 01:06:39,319 » me know when you're ready, David. 855 01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:50,400 Next item, we need an executive session. >> Yes. I'll make a motion to enter into 856 01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:56,480 executive session for 121.22 uh G 857 01:06:53,520 --> 01:07:01,520 uh G1. Um you know, this is and again though 858 01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:06,079 this is dealing with uh personnel and compensation. and it's going to be about 859 01:07:03,039 --> 01:07:12,720 a benefit package and changes that we may have to get something passed this 860 01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:16,799 year uh in October uh to help people as they're selecting their health care. 861 01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:22,559 This doesn't impact a whole lot of people. So I think we're talking a 862 01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:32,319 couple but um we do have to look at that. And then also for 863 01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:39,240 um G3. So G1 and G3. G3 this is a potential litigation dealing with the uh 864 01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:39,240 65 acre annexation. 865 01:07:39,359 --> 01:07:45,440 » All right. >> I'll second. 866 01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:48,960 » Okay. Heard me seconded. 867 01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:49,920 » Roll call. >> Lynch. 868 01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:51,280 » Yes. >> Watson. 869 01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:53,680 » Yes. >> Yuri. 870 01:07:51,839 --> 01:07:59,920 » Yes. Okay, let's [clears throat] return from 871 01:07:55,680 --> 01:08:03,680 executive session at uh 9:30. I make a motion to return from 872 01:08:01,839 --> 01:08:06,559 executive session. >> Second. 873 01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:07,680 » Made and seconded. >> Yes. 874 01:08:07,039 --> 01:08:08,960 » Watson. >> Yes. 875 01:08:08,319 --> 01:08:12,240 » Lynch. >> Yes. 876 01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:19,440 » Okay. If there's nothing else to come before the board, then uh I will state 877 01:08:17,199 --> 01:08:25,920 the next scheduled meeting is for Tuesday, September 22nd at 700 p.m. here 878 01:08:23,440 --> 01:08:32,880 at the township hall. Uh no other business to come before the 879 01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:36,960 board. I will make a motion to adjurnn. >> Second, 880 01:08:35,759 --> 01:08:41,679 » who got that? >> Jeremy got [laughter] that. Okay. Motion 881 01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:42,480 made and seconded. Roll call. >> Yuring, 882 01:08:42,159 --> 01:08:46,400 » yes. >> Watson, Lynch, 883 01:08:43,839 --> 01:08:46,400 » yes.