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Call the meeting to order. Please rise for the national

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anthem.

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Our. Home. And.

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All.

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The roll call will show that all members of council

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are present and in their seats. Are there any disclosures

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of pecuniary interest or general nature thereof? Seeing none. Will

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now read the land acknowledgment. We will begin by acknowledging

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that the land on which we gather is the traditional

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territory of the three fires confederacy of First nations, comprising

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the Ajibwe, the Adawa and the Potawatomi. Peoples and of

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the Huron, Wendot and Wyndot peoples. We recognize the land.

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As an expression of gratitude to those whose traditional territory.

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We reside on and a way of honoring the indigenous

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people who have been living and thriving on the land

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since time immemorial. We value the significant historical and contemporary

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contributions of local and regional first nations and all of

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the original peoples of Turtle Island. Report out from in

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camera thank you, worship. So the report out from the

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incam recession of June 24, 2025, it was moved that

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council enter into an in camera meeting of council pursuant

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to section 239, Municipal Act, 2001, as amended, for the

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following reasons. Item a an update from legal counsel on

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activ. Active litigation that was under section 239 two e

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and section 239 two f. An administration was directed to

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proceed on the verbal direction of counsel. Item b was

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legal advice and information pertaining to the Ontario Heritage act

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and the Heritage conservation district. In the town of Amnesburg

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under section 239, two b, section 239, two e, and

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section 239 two f and council received the matter for

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informational purposes. Thank you. It is now our honor to

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recognize. An incredible young athlete from right here in Amherstburg,

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Curtis Rielba, a 14 year old boxer from the fighting

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Island Boxing Club is now a Canadian. National champion.

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Curtis earned gold in the under 1748 kilogram division at

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the Canadian National Championships in Quebec City with the final

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day of the tournament taking place on June 1. He

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won both his fights during the tournament, including the gold

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medal match. Were he unknowingly defeated a 17 year old

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opponent. On behalf of the town of Amherstburg, town council

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and all our residents, congratulations, Curtis. You've. Made us incredibly

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proud. Your gold medal. Your gold medal isn't just a

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personal win. It's a community celebration. We're all cheering for

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you as you take on your next challenge. Amherstburg will

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behind you every step of the way. Keep training hard,

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keep dreaming big, and keep raising your hand in. Victory.

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And we should find out from the newspaper if you

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want another photo. Okay, I'm going

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to pass the gavel. To the deputy mayor. I'll be

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right back. Does everybody want in the photo?

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Thank you so much.

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Thank you very much.

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Okay, we are now on to the delegations portion. We

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have five delegates, all for the same item 13.1, the

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sign bylaw first listed. Delegate is Paul Peltier.

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I work. Give my boy to have cancer once, so

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do. OKAY. You worship the mayor, Michael Peru. Deputy mayor,

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Chris Gibbon. Council members, my name is Paul. Pellet. I'm

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here representing the KSC council 211110 in the Columbus community.

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Hall, home of the nights of Columbus. I'm here regarding

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the portable signed bylaw which will remove permanently. Or sign

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from in front of our hall. We've had. The sign.

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Not necessarily that one, but always had a sign similar

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to that one for at least 30 years. No complaints,

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no problems. New nesting was anything to do with the

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sign? The current sign is we have the parking blocks

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that are parallel with our front canopy, and they've been

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there for at least 25 years. We have them behind.

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The parking block so that they don't interfere with any

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pedestrian traffic or anything like that. There. At least a

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meter and a half away from. The parking blocks. And

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the sign is behind them, so there's not a problem

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with them. We've never had any problems whatsoever. This sign

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is extremely important to us as well as the people

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of Amherstburg. Its main use is for charitable purposes and

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for advertising. The bingo and the weekly jackpot. We also

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advertise the fish ride in any community. Events that we

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might have. We use the funds from the bingo to

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sponsor groups for the fish. Rise on Friday, the groups,

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they'll get a donation and we will get money into

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the hall to keep the hall open. The hall is

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a nonprofit corporation, so no one's making money on this

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at all. Our policy. Is to respond to groups that

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are beneficial to our town and its residents. We have

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donated almost half a million dollars since the beginning. And

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donate tens of thousands of dollars each year. To the

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group over $40,000 every year. If you include the 50

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50 draws that usually go with the not often, but

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some have that with the fish fries. The groups that

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we do. Are all the schools for the students program.

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So we donate to all them the local sports programs.

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Like hockey, soccer and baseball teams. We all sponsor them.

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Community and other groups include the Rotary Club, Miracle League,

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CTC, Jump starts gain Amherstburg firewood youth camp. That's under.

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The. Olympus. They goes to them anyways. Cadets. The finding

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out in Boxing Club, Parkhouse Museum, St. John the Baptist

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Church for their good Friday procession so they can afford

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that and some other programs they have. This one here

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is really dear. To me, the. Society of St. Vincent

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de Paul. To up the less fortunate, families and residents

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put food on tables. On the table and other needs.

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In conclusion, I just hope something can be done because

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we just want to do what we've. Always done. Just

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do the fish fries. The bingoes. We want to make

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this town a better place for everybody involved. And to

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have the site permanently removed. We don't have any way

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of advertising. To sign up front anymore. And it's not

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going to be good for us at all. It's just

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something. I hope something can be done. Because we do

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this for the residents. Of our community, not for us.

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I do hundreds of hours each year to sit and

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have somebody come in and say, you, got to remove

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it. You just hurt. Really did hurt. Anyway, thank you

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for your time and letting me speak to you. Today.

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Thank you. Any questions of the deputy councilor Puget. You

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don't get off that easy, Councilor Poozle. Okay. Thank you,

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Mr. Powche. And thank you for your delegation. I know.

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How much and how hard the kfcs work. And you

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do contribute so much. To the people of Amherstburg, and

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you have for many, many years. And you do so

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very quietly. Most people are not even aware. Of all

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the donations that you make. So you're saying your sign

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has been in that same location for 30 years? Well,

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actually been in the front, then they move it out

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a little bit here and there, but. Been in the

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front of that building because I won't be a member

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for around 28. Years now. And it was there before

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I was a member. We've always had it there. I

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can count on my fingers how many board meetings I

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have missed in all those 28 years. And not a

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single complaint about it or anything for any reason whatsoever.

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He's just been there. We just continue going along with

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it. And just try and do what we can to

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help everybody on it. I know we don't. Normally. Do

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sponsors? I'm trying to build a bingo account, but we

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got enough in there and that we can take spots

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now, so if anybody there was any sponsors, we'll take

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them too. This summer, but yes. And. Your sign is

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not on the sidewalk. Is behind the parking blocks. The

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parking blocks are parallel with. The canopy we have. Then

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the sidewalk is there and the sidewalks. At least a

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meter and a half away from the parking lot and

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are signed behind the thing, so. You'd have to deliberately

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go out of your way to trip over the signer

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and. Go over the parking blocks, which we've had there.

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We did have their parking lot there. When we first

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started, but people were parking there and walking the sidewalks,

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says, okay, we got to stop that. So we made

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a parallel with the canopy because we figured that's the

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best. Place to put them and. Decide. Okay. Keep the

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sign behind there. Don't put it up front. That way

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nobody gets hurt. Nobody injures themselves, and everybody's in good

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for that. Thank you so much. When the time is

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right. I do have a question of administration. Well, I

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mean, we have five deputies in five different places with

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five different kinds of signs, so. I was going to

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ask. After we've accepted this, then we'll have questions of

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Mr. Tetler, not of. The whole thing, but just of

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each location. In turn. And then we'll have questions at

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the end about the signed bylaw. Is that acceptable to

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council? Okay. So any other questions of the deputy? Yes,

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Councilor Courtney thank you, Mr. Mayor. And for the other

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delegates too. In particular. What are you looking that you

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don't agree with with the actual proposed signed bylaw. Because

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I need to understand, as a counselor, we need a

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bylaw. Bylaws. Are important. But of the one that's being

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proposed. What is not of your liking things that are

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wrong with it. One thing is because they say it

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has to be so far from the lot line. That

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means it's permanently out and then it says you can

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only do it for a certain period of time. It's

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got to come out and then you can't leave. Have

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any sign there and then it's. Got to go back

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in after all. Well, we advertise the bingo every single

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week. What the jackpot is. And you can't do that

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if that happens. And the lot lines. They're funny. They

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go all over the place, even on our property. They

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go all over the place and across the street they

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go right through a house. It's like, okay, we've got

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this thing here. We've done it for all these years,

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I haven't had a problem with anything, but the bylaw

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literally takes. The sign, right? Out of the front of

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our building and we can put in a parking lot,

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but they put a parking lot and sign the parking

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lot. Then you got to move it, pick it back.

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Have another permit to put it back in. They rule

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it again for a while. We just want to do

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our binge ride. Advertiser. Bingo is in. Help out the

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community. That's all we're asking. Okay, so what I'm hearing

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is basically, one sign, but it's kind of a multipurpose

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sign that you put up it. Comes down. So basically,

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the way the language is, it's too descriptive and it

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doesn't. Really apply to you, whether it be an annual

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sign, a seasonal sign. A temporary sign, you're saying it's

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just too problematic in regards to that. Okay. Yeah. The

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main purpose of saying is to advertise for the bingo.

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It's a chaired wall used for terrible purpose. Complaints? Not

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perfect. Thank you. Anything else? Or a layer? Thank you,

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Mr. Mayor. I threw you just one question. Are you

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okay with the fee if you had to pay for

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an say you could keep the sign on your property

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and you had to pay a fee for it. Are

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you okay with that? I don't know. Might it be?

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An annual permit fee is $150 for the sign. That's

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not that big of a problem? No, thank you. Something

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like that. I'm not worried about it. I'm just worried

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about losing the sign. Because we'll lose a lot more

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than $150, that's for sure. Okay, councilor. That's for aframes.

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This is not an Aframe sign. No. I don't want

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you to. Okay, I understandably. Sorry. I have to ask

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Mr. Teller to get the exact question. We'll ask him,

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okay? Sorry through you, Mr. Mayor to Mr. Teller. Any

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other questions of the deputy? Okay. A motion to receive

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the deputation. Moved by councilor McCarthy, seconded by Councilor Oler.

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All those in favor opposed that's. Carried. Thank you, sir,

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for your deputation. Questions of Mr. Tetler. First of all,

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I have Councilor puget, then councilor. Courtney. And then you.

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Okay, councilor puge. Mr mayor. Mr. Teddler.

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So we have heard and we've seen where the sign

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is and the KFC is. A nonprofit organization. Why is

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it that. His sign had to be removed. When it

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does not. Through your worship. The sign that's in front

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of the connights of Columbus is. Under the definition of

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the sign. By law, a mobile sign therefore, requires a

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permit under the current sign bylaw. It required a permit

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under the previous signed bylaw as well. But they never

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had a permit for all these years. Through your worship.

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That is correct. I'm not aware of them ever having

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a permit for. A mobile sign. Now, keep in mind

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as well, any sign that does not move, I would

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consider. A permanent sign, not a mobile sign as well.

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Councilor Courtney. I'm good right now. I'm just listening. Councilor

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O'Lear and then councilor MacArthur. Thank you. So which type

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of sign would you consider the nights of Columbus sign

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fall under? A sign by law. Permanent or mobile? Three

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yearship? Mobile sign, portable sign, whatever you want to classify

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as, okay. Can you just give me the cost for

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clarity? Because I was reading under the wrong thing, apparently.

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How much would the cost that I'm a year to

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keep it out there permanently? You're not allowed under the

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current bylaw. You cannot keep it out there permanently. You

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could have it up for 200 days for a dollar

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per day. And the business can choose the duration. At

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any given time. Okay, perfect. And then they take it

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down for 60, and then they can. Put it up

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for another 200. No, the maximum is 60 days at

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a time. There has to. Be a 14 day break

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in between the maximum days of permits. But someone could

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apply for a 15 day permit and then a 23

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day permit. They can utilize their 200 days to the

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best to their business, understandably. Could he make that a

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permanent sign, just. For. Simpler terms through your worship, they

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could contact our billing department and work with them about

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erecting a permanent sign on that property, potentially with a

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manual changing letters rather than having a mobile sign. Out

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there. Okay. Thank you. Councilor macarthur. Thank you. I think

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I partially just got an answer there, but just when

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Mr. Tetler said, you consider a mobile sign? A permanent

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sign if it doesn't move. I didn't understand that if

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you have a mobile sign in front of your business

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that's. Never moving. I would consider that to be a

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permanent sign. And I would suggest that that business would

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need to work with our billion apartment. A mobile site

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is something that's temporary in nature that's able to be

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moved. Okay, just when you say that, it sounds like

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you're suggesting that you could use a. Mobile sign and

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just apply it for it to be a permanent sign

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when you phrase it that. Way. That's why I'm confused

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through your worship. I apologize. That is not my. Intention.

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A mobile. Sign is not a permanent sign. It cannot

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be used as a permanent sign. But by definition, if

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a mobile sign is never leaving the location. We could

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be looked at as a permanent sign. Okay, I'll just

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pass the Gaville. I just have one question. Can that

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sign? It's movable if they move it somewhere else on

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the lot. Will they be in any violation at all?

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I would suggest after looking at the location of the

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Knights of Columbus. They could apply for a mobile sign

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permit and have it located elsewhere on the property and

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it would not be illegal. That is correct. I'll take

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the gavel back. Anyone else? No other questions of Mr.

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Tetler on this sign. Okay, let's hear the. Next deputy.

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The next deputy is. Lynn durfy.

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Good evening, mayor and council members. Thank you for giving

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me the opportunity to speak tonight. My name is lindurphy,

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and I've owned Lind's variety at 203 Richmond street. For

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the last 31 years. I am here to express concerns

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about the current bylaw that prohibits prohibits. Sandwich signs and

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aframe signs on the boulevard. For many businesses in town,

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which is known as a quaint, small, charming town. We

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close our streets to promote foot traffic. These sign. Signs

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for a few affordable businesses. It's an effective way for

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us to reach the foot. Traffic. Being the difference between.

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People coming in and people just walking past us. My

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sign has been on the boulevard for the last 24

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years. Of the 31 years I've. Been in business. This

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sign has been updated and kept well maintained as an

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asset to my business. I understand that we need to

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maintain and keep the sidewalks safe and prevent visual clutter.

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However, many communities have found balance that permits these signs

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with specific dimensions in ensuring placement doesn't. Obstruct. The pedestrian

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flow in accessibility. I am asking for you to not.

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Completely redo the bylaw. Just look at other ways of

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us being able to keep our signs and follow your

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guidelines with some bit of a restriction to us. But

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these signs, it's been there for 24 years, and it's

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never caused a problem. And no one has ever complained

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until I had a bylaw officer standing in front of

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me threatening a fine if it isn't moved in 24

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hours. I move the sign. Into my parking lot. 3

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meters. As I was told, I needed to be from

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the sidewalk. Then I got a phone call saying that.

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I still was going to be fined because it needed

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to be 3 meters from the lot line. Which is

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technically the front of my building. So the sign then

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needs to be right up against the side of my

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building to meet the bylaw. Thank you for the time,

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and I hope that council will consider a little bit

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of an update. On the behalf of our local businesses.

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Questions. Seeing none. Questions of staff? No. I need to

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receive the deputation both by councilor Larry, seconded by deputy

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mayor. All those in favor? Opposed. That's carried. Questions of

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Mr. Tetler. Any questions? Councilor Courtney. Mayor through you, Bill.

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I know by law, the Aoda compliance is the big

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thing Mr. V just mentioned about sightlines. For sure. That's

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the safety of pedestrians, vehicles and things like that. The

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setbacks seem very robust. Especially for signs that have been

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in place for. Is there a way? Again, we've amended

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many things, but this is going to go for the

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next. There's got to be ways. To me. My takeaways

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are this. Limit the number of signs, the size of

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the sign. How secure the sign is and their non

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violation of Aoda. That to me, as a municipality, Should

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be our only real concerns here is that. We're following

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Aoda compliance, that people have a safe way, the rate

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width to get around with accessibility mobile device. There is

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no safety issues with sight lines. Is there a way

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that we can just monitor these things. The non compliance

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part of it is these are owners that know they

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follow many rules and regulations. Outside of even the town's

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bylaws just to operate in Ontario, if we set the

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standards and conditions of this is the acceptable size of

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an aframe. This is the acceptable size. This is where

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it needs to be, on a sidewalk. If you have

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a sidewalk, this wide. You can do it. If not,

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it's sorry about your lock, but you just can't. Because

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now we're in contravention. Aoda, if you're in violation. Of

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a, B and C and you inspect it, you will

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be charged $150 for non compliance. And loses the rate

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to have that. Sign this to me. Seems like I'm

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just trying to generalize it all because everyone's situation is

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going to be. Different. And we happen to have five

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delegates tonight, and there's probably ten others that couldn't. Make

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it, and they're going to be all different scenarios, too.

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So I really don't think this council should be looking

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at this bylaw. As an individual basis, because that's going

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to be problematic in itself. I'm just trying to generalize.

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Being responsible as a municipality to make sure that we're

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in compliance with the AoD. With Sila, with and the

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safety of pedestrians and traffic and that whoever does have

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the good fortune of having the width in front of

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their business is wide enough that they can actually put

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a certain sized temporary sign aframe. That, to me is

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really all I think that would work here, but I'll.

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Continue to listen to the deli. You're asking the general

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question. It is. Please just ask him the question at

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Lynn's variety. Why is that sign not appropriate? Why? Is

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it illegal at this point? We'll get into the general

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question later. Could you answer that? Why is this illegal?

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Through you. Your worship, the step back requirement of the

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sign bylaw is 2 meters. As far as the sign

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be legal, I would suggest that any business owner that.

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Has enough property to have the sign on their property

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is allowed to have it, so I would suggest that

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most businesses would be allowed to have a sign, just

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maybe not in the current location. It may have been

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at in the past. Okay, worship, members of council and

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Mr. Tutler will correct me if I'm wrong. I think

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the issue for some of the signs to be more

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general is that they are on town. Right of way

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and not on the property's own property. So I think

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what Mr. Tetler is saying is that if the. Sign

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is on a property owner's own property within the setback

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requirements. That's fine. And I believe the report outlined a

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solution for council. For signs that would still remain on

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the public right of way. But there's still enough width

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for that. So that's outlined in your report as a

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solution. Any other questions about this particular location and this

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particular sign? Seeing none will go to the next deputy.

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All right, the next deputy. Is peter liardi.

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Your worship. Mr. Mayor, members of town council and administration.

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Thank you for allowing me to speak. My name is

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Peter Liardi. I've been in business in this community for

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40 years. Now 21 years at our current location. I

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would like to address the sign. By law and specific

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to the issue of portable signs, I've had a portable

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sign in front of my current location for 21 years.

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I would use the portable sign for multiple reasons. One,

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to announce new seasonal arrivals, two, to advertise promotional items.

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Advertise end of season sales. The ability to advertise and

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take advantage of all the traffic on Sandwich street was

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one of the reasons I moved my business and spent

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$600,000.21 years ago. That portable sign would help draw traffic

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into my store and hopefully keep business here in our

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community. Now. My sign was 4ft wide and 5ft tall.

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It sat 3ft on my property. And 1ft on town

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property. There existed 12ft of remaining sidewalk from the edge

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of my sign to the road curb. In absolutely no

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way was my sign. An impediment to pedestrian traffic, vehicle

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traffic, and it was also Aoda compliant. In the 21

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years that that sign has sat out in front of

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my store, the only complaint that I've ever received was

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from the town of Amesburg on the 25 April of

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this year I received an order to comply. On that

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order to comply. I said I didn't have a permit,

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and it was too. Close to the lot line. Now,

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the new bylaw has some conditions I'd like to speak

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to. And I would. Also like to address my order

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to comply. Firstly, in my order to comply, it stated

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I didn't have a permit. I want everyone here to

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know. That I have always paid my permit fee through

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my signed supplier when it was presented to me. Number

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two. The order to comply states that my sign is

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too close to the lot line. That is absolutely true.

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It sits on twelve inches of town property. But there's

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12ft of sidewalk to the road curbside on the other

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side of that sign. It was bothering no one. By

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the way, for the last 21 years. That 12ft of

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sidewalk and patio on the other side of that sign.

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I've swept it, I've cleaned it, I've shoveled. The snow

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off of it. I've salted it. And never once have

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I sent the town a bill for that. And the

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town never complained either about that. Number three. The new

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bylaw puts a limit of 200 days on the use

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of a portable sign. It goes on to say that.

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In this time frame allowance is generous compared to other

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municipalities in Essence County. Who says the other municipalities are

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correct? Why limit the use of signs? And can someone

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please tell me which 200 days of the year? Are

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the best years to advertise. There should be no limits

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on the usage of a sign. If you paid for

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the. Permit for the year. Let the individual or business

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use it for the year. I don't understand why the

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town of Amnesburg would do anything to impede the success

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of any small business in its community, unless the business

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was doing something illegal or posing a harm to its

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citizens. I was doing neither. Just in the month of

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May this year and in June. My prom and grad

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suit sales were down 54% and 45%, respectively. I had

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to take my sign down on May the second. And

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that's just one commodity. That doesn't count shirts, doesn't count

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shoes. Temp belts, ties. And, oh, there's another thing to

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consider. Not only. Was this affecting? My business revenue. What

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about my two tailors that I use here in town?

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That's less work that they had. They both live here

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in town. They both hear shop. In town. I'd like

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to share an email that I received from a parent

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that was in my store. On June 13 it says.

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Good morning, Peter. I just wanted to take a minute.

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Thank you for. Your ever so memorable experience that yourself

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and Colin gave my son and I yesterday. I was

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in such a tizzy trying to find a place to

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get my son a graduation suit for next. Week, and

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you guys saved the day. I passed your store daily,

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but I didn't think. You'd have anything for a grade.

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Eight graduation. Luckily, I remembered that I had at one

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time seen a sign out in front of your store

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advertising prom and grad suit special. The sign was gone,

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so I figured that I missed the sale, but I'm

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so glad that I decided to pop in and check

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anyhow like most parents, schedules are crazy. I didn't want

472
00:34:10,872 --> 00:34:12,912
to take time to go to Windsor, but mainly I

473
00:34:12,912 --> 00:34:15,952
prefer to shop. Local whenever possible. I wish you had

474
00:34:15,952 --> 00:34:18,192
been able to keep your sino in front because after

475
00:34:18,192 --> 00:34:21,032
speaking to some parents, they were disappointed that they weren't

476
00:34:21,032 --> 00:34:24,512
able to take advantage of the sale. Or the experience.

477
00:34:24,512 --> 00:34:27,512
I have three such emails to such the topic.

478
00:34:34,505 --> 00:34:38,025
I've lost enough revenue in the last seven weeks to

479
00:34:38,025 --> 00:34:40,225
pay for a sign permit for the next 75 years.

480
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,680
Given the current economic conditions and uncertainty out there, I

481
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:47,880
don't understand what the purpose of the zoo. Signed by

482
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:57,204
law. I sincerely believe that there's overreach here. I look

483
00:34:57,204 --> 00:34:59,844
forward to town council enlightening the small businesses of our

484
00:34:59,844 --> 00:35:01,844
town as to how the new bylaw is worth the

485
00:35:01,844 --> 00:35:06,084
opportunity cost of lost revenues to the businesses affected. Thank

486
00:35:06,084 --> 00:35:13,138
you. So much. Questions of the deputies. Seeing none. Motion

487
00:35:13,138 --> 00:35:16,938
to receive the deputation councilor letter seconded by councilor puge.

488
00:35:16,938 --> 00:35:21,698
Ovos in favor? Opposed? That's carried. Any questions of Mr.

489
00:35:21,698 --> 00:35:29,016
Tetler on this? Particular sign. Councilor puge. Thank you, Mr.

490
00:35:29,016 --> 00:35:36,430
Mayor. Through. You too, Mr. Tetler. So, Mr. Tetler. Why

491
00:35:36,430 --> 00:35:40,681
would we? Make Mr. Deliardi remove his sign if it

492
00:35:40,681 --> 00:35:44,498
was less than a foot away from. On our property.

493
00:35:46,004 --> 00:35:50,404
Could we not have worked with him to make sure

494
00:35:50,404 --> 00:35:55,282
that he was able to advertise? Because we knew this

495
00:35:55,282 --> 00:35:59,464
was coming back to us. I made a motion that.

496
00:36:01,111 --> 00:36:03,191
This report was coming back to us so they could

497
00:36:03,191 --> 00:36:06,951
speak on it, so why couldn't. We have just compromised

498
00:36:06,951 --> 00:36:11,483
with him during this period of time. I believe Madam

499
00:36:11,483 --> 00:36:13,483
Cao has something. Do you want to say it first

500
00:36:13,483 --> 00:36:21,330
or Mr. Teddler? Your worship, members and council. And again,

501
00:36:21,330 --> 00:36:23,290
I'll defer to Mr. Tetler if he. Has something to

502
00:36:23,290 --> 00:36:27,650
add, but I don't believe that council suspended the operation

503
00:36:27,650 --> 00:36:31,042
of the bylaw. So we do not have the authority

504
00:36:31,042 --> 00:36:33,122
to do that. That's up to council to make. That

505
00:36:33,122 --> 00:36:38,398
motion to suspend that. Mr. Tetler. Anything you have, Dad.

506
00:36:44,353 --> 00:36:48,249
Through your worship. The bylaw is in effect. Council did

507
00:36:48,249 --> 00:36:50,489
not suspend it and we are carrying out our duties.

508
00:36:51,883 --> 00:36:54,763
Okay, the next listed deputy I have is Sarah Brush.

509
00:37:04,789 --> 00:37:13,042
Good evening. Mayor Peru, deputy mayor Gibb, councilors Allair.

510
00:37:15,010 --> 00:37:21,888
Crane. Macarthur. Courtney. And Puge. My name is Sarah Brush.

511
00:37:23,345 --> 00:37:27,090
And I proudly own. And operate specs restaurant here in

512
00:37:27,090 --> 00:37:34,110
Amnesburg. For nearly 55 years. More than half a century.

513
00:37:35,696 --> 00:37:40,357
My family and I have. Served this community through good

514
00:37:40,357 --> 00:37:47,144
times. And bad. As a small, family run business. I

515
00:37:47,144 --> 00:37:52,020
am proud of what we built. Specs isn't just a

516
00:37:52,020 --> 00:37:57,453
restaurant. It's a gathering place. A part of the fabric

517
00:37:57,453 --> 00:38:02,906
of this town. People come for the food. But they

518
00:38:02,906 --> 00:38:08,733
return for the connection. For decades. We've supported this community.

519
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:19,525
Quietly. Consistently. Through local causes. Kindness and hard work. But

520
00:38:19,525 --> 00:38:25,775
I will always. Stand up for what's right. To protect

521
00:38:25,775 --> 00:38:30,441
what we've built and to ensure that small business. Businesses

522
00:38:30,441 --> 00:38:36,236
like mine are treated with fairness. And respect. Over the

523
00:38:36,236 --> 00:38:44,315
past year. I've come before this council. More than once.

524
00:38:44,315 --> 00:38:48,114
Not because I want to be here. And while it

525
00:38:48,114 --> 00:38:54,707
takes time, And energy. I will not back down. Because

526
00:38:54,707 --> 00:38:59,416
this business matters. And so does the principle behind it.

527
00:39:00,661 --> 00:39:07,381
When unfair policies threaten us, when I am suddenly told

528
00:39:07,381 --> 00:39:15,387
I can't display a simple open flag. I've had. For

529
00:39:15,387 --> 00:39:19,965
55 years. I have no choice but to speak up.

530
00:39:21,512 --> 00:39:26,192
That flag never blocked a sidewalk, and it is on

531
00:39:26,192 --> 00:39:31,976
my own property. I've never posed a safety hazard, and

532
00:39:31,976 --> 00:39:37,747
it complies fully with AODA standards. It simply lets people

533
00:39:37,747 --> 00:39:41,714
know we are open. Since being forced to remove it.

534
00:39:43,163 --> 00:39:48,154
Customers are confused. Foot traffic is down. And our business

535
00:39:48,154 --> 00:39:54,375
had suffered because of a bylaw. That was drafted. With

536
00:39:54,375 --> 00:39:59,330
a real consultation with the people it affects most. I

537
00:39:59,330 --> 00:40:03,130
have never paid a cent to the town to display

538
00:40:03,130 --> 00:40:08,185
this flag, and I don't. Intend to now. This kind

539
00:40:08,185 --> 00:40:13,505
of nickel and diming of small businesses isn't just unnecessary.

540
00:40:14,994 --> 00:40:18,718
It's damaging. It sends the wrong message about who we

541
00:40:18,718 --> 00:40:23,472
are as a town. Let me be clear. This just

542
00:40:23,472 --> 00:40:30,234
isn't about specs. It's about every small business in Amnesburg.

543
00:40:30,234 --> 00:40:34,297
Small businesses are the. Heart and soul of this community.

544
00:40:35,949 --> 00:40:41,279
They create jobs. They attract visitors and they bring life

545
00:40:41,279 --> 00:40:47,663
into our streets. When our visibility is restricted. So is

546
00:40:47,663 --> 00:40:54,298
our ability to survive. These signs. And yes, even flags

547
00:40:54,298 --> 00:41:01,191
aren't clutter. These signs are our connection. They're how we

548
00:41:01,191 --> 00:41:05,493
let people know we're here and we're open. When our

549
00:41:05,493 --> 00:41:10,076
signs come down. So does the energy and life of

550
00:41:10,076 --> 00:41:18,045
this town. We want a council. That understands us. Respects

551
00:41:18,045 --> 00:41:22,914
us. And lets us run our businesses the way we

552
00:41:22,914 --> 00:41:32,705
always have. With pride. Honesty and care. Frankly, this bylaw

553
00:41:32,705 --> 00:41:39,145
doesn't make sense. We're being told. To take our signs

554
00:41:39,145 --> 00:41:43,990
down. But then. Told it's fine if we pay $150

555
00:41:43,990 --> 00:41:51,834
a year. What kind of business logic is that? If

556
00:41:51,834 --> 00:41:59,313
a sign. Is truly unsafe or inappropriate. Charging a fee

557
00:41:59,313 --> 00:42:04,376
doesn't make it any less so. And if it's safe

558
00:42:04,376 --> 00:42:08,027
and has never been a problem. Then why are we

559
00:42:08,027 --> 00:42:14,086
being punished? For something that has worked for decades. Get

560
00:42:14,086 --> 00:42:19,526
rid of this ridiculous bylaw. It's hurting the very people

561
00:42:19,526 --> 00:42:26,018
who help build this. Town. I still believe in Amnesburg.

562
00:42:26,018 --> 00:42:30,805
I believe in working together. And I hope that moving

563
00:42:30,805 --> 00:42:38,438
forward, we can have more conversation. And not. More enforcement

564
00:42:38,438 --> 00:42:43,198
so that Amesburg stays a place where small businesses feel

565
00:42:43,198 --> 00:42:49,818
valued and not punished. Let's keep this town open, thriving

566
00:42:49,818 --> 00:42:55,224
and welcoming. Just like it always has been. Thank you.

567
00:42:57,673 --> 00:43:03,430
Questions of the deputy. Any questions of the deputy councilor

568
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:12,166
puge. Mr. Mayor. Thank you, Sarah. Excellent presentation. I just

569
00:43:12,166 --> 00:43:18,690
want to clarify two things. So your sign. Was compatible

570
00:43:18,690 --> 00:43:21,370
with Aoda. It was not in the way it's in

571
00:43:21,370 --> 00:43:26,107
my garden. It's in your garden. So it was on

572
00:43:26,107 --> 00:43:30,820
your property? Yes. I am 2.5 meters away from the

573
00:43:30,820 --> 00:43:35,460
sidewalk. Okay. And your flag? You said it was. 5

574
00:43:35,460 --> 00:43:39,340
meters from the sidewalk from the property. Okay. It's on

575
00:43:39,340 --> 00:43:43,242
my own property. Okay. Thank you. Okay, I need a

576
00:43:43,242 --> 00:43:50,581
motion. To accept the deputation moved by councillor Puche, seconded

577
00:43:50,581 --> 00:43:53,861
by councilor Lere. All those in favor? Opposed? That's carried.

578
00:43:55,704 --> 00:43:59,104
Questions of Mr. Tattler? A number of them. Okay. I

579
00:43:59,104 --> 00:44:02,224
saw Councilor O'Leary. First. And then Councilor MacArthur and then

580
00:44:02,224 --> 00:44:05,304
councilor Puge. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Just through. You to

581
00:44:05,304 --> 00:44:09,624
Mr. Tetler. How was her sign? Illegal if it's 2.5

582
00:44:09,624 --> 00:44:14,148
meters. From the sidewalk. Do you, worship? Just to clarify,

583
00:44:14,148 --> 00:44:18,852
which sign are we referring to? Sarah's delegation. She said

584
00:44:18,852 --> 00:44:24,118
it was her open sign. I'd have to understand what

585
00:44:24,118 --> 00:44:26,078
type of sign that is. It's my understanding that I

586
00:44:26,078 --> 00:44:28,078
believe there was two different types of signs there, and

587
00:44:28,078 --> 00:44:30,278
I just want to make sure I'm speaking about the

588
00:44:30,278 --> 00:44:35,584
correct sign. Verify with the delegate that it was the

589
00:44:35,584 --> 00:44:39,784
flag open sign that you have stuck in your garden.

590
00:44:39,784 --> 00:44:44,302
Thank you. Through your worship to council lair. The flag

591
00:44:44,302 --> 00:44:48,197
signs. Are both flags, as they're referred to in the

592
00:44:48,197 --> 00:44:52,237
bylaw, are prohibited in the HCD. Which the heritage confirmation

593
00:44:52,237 --> 00:44:54,517
district, which is why the sign was asked to be

594
00:44:54,517 --> 00:44:58,590
removed. Thank you for the clarification. So it wasn't because.

595
00:45:00,525 --> 00:45:02,685
Of the signed bylaw that we have in place. It

596
00:45:02,685 --> 00:45:06,680
was because of the Heritage district. Through your worship. I'm

597
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:10,306
sorry, council. There's talking. I couldn't hear your. Question. Okay,

598
00:45:10,306 --> 00:45:12,506
it wasn't because of our current signed bylaw. It was

599
00:45:12,506 --> 00:45:16,676
because of the heritage. District. It is through your worship.

600
00:45:16,676 --> 00:45:18,476
It is because of the current science. Violence. There's a

601
00:45:18,476 --> 00:45:23,301
heritage. Consternation district overlay in the sign bylaw. Those types

602
00:45:23,301 --> 00:45:26,101
of flags in the downtown core. Thank you for the

603
00:45:26,101 --> 00:45:32,846
clarification. Okay, Councilor MacArthur, then, councilor puge. Can we just

604
00:45:32,846 --> 00:45:35,126
get some clarity on that, please? Because we haven't passed

605
00:45:35,126 --> 00:45:42,842
the heritage conservation. District. That's actually, I don't understand. It

606
00:45:42,842 --> 00:45:45,522
and with it only the flag. That was in contravention.

607
00:45:45,522 --> 00:45:47,922
Or was it the sign? Like on this particular property,

608
00:45:47,922 --> 00:45:53,011
on this particular issue. What was wrong and what was

609
00:45:53,011 --> 00:45:56,580
done. Through your worship, I will defer to the planning

610
00:45:56,580 --> 00:45:59,180
department to speak to the heritage conservation district. As far

611
00:45:59,180 --> 00:46:04,880
as. The sign goes. We did the enforcement. So the

612
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,040
bylaw states that that type of sign is not allowed

613
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,800
in that area. Therefore, we did that. Enforcement. If we're

614
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,800
speaking about the aframe sign, we ask that aframe sign

615
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,160
to be relocated to the property line as per the

616
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:21,762
heritage concert Viation district overlay. Eight frame science are allowed

617
00:46:21,762 --> 00:46:26,444
to be at the property line in that area. Mr.

618
00:46:26,444 --> 00:46:29,044
Clerk through you, your worship. It's section b, two of

619
00:46:29,044 --> 00:46:31,924
the signed by law, which deals with bioflag signs, and

620
00:46:31,924 --> 00:46:35,484
it's the heritage district overlay. So although the district hasn't

621
00:46:35,484 --> 00:46:40,030
been adopted. The area. Has been under consideration, and that

622
00:46:40,030 --> 00:46:42,990
area was identified in the sign bylaw. So whether or

623
00:46:42,990 --> 00:46:47,026
not you've adopted the district itself. You've identified the space

624
00:46:47,026 --> 00:46:49,706
that you're studying currently, and when the sign, by law

625
00:46:49,706 --> 00:46:53,306
is adopted, that study area was included as the overlay

626
00:46:53,306 --> 00:46:57,240
to identify the area that would have those provisions. For

627
00:46:57,240 --> 00:47:00,760
further clarity. So because of that, the flag is not

628
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,280
allowed in that geographic boundary. So that was one of

629
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,760
the thing you dealt with and the sign was in

630
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:08,640
the wrong place, and then. She moved it and now

631
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:13,685
it's fine. I'm just seeking clarity, that's all. Through your

632
00:47:13,685 --> 00:47:16,565
worship not being personally on the property, it would be

633
00:47:16,565 --> 00:47:18,445
hard for me to give an exact answer, but if

634
00:47:18,445 --> 00:47:21,765
there was an aframe sign located on town property. We

635
00:47:21,765 --> 00:47:25,565
would have asked that to be relocated to the private

636
00:47:25,565 --> 00:47:30,063
property, and no permit would be required for that. Happen

637
00:47:30,063 --> 00:47:36,292
here in this instance. Through your worship, my suggestion would

638
00:47:36,292 --> 00:47:45,895
be, yes, I believe that did happen. Councilor puge. Mr

639
00:47:45,895 --> 00:47:52,994
mayor. Euge Mr. Tetler. So I think Sarah hit it

640
00:47:52,994 --> 00:47:57,000
the nail right on the head. When she's asked specifically.

641
00:47:58,744 --> 00:48:04,158
How is it? Okay. For our businesses to put up

642
00:48:04,158 --> 00:48:08,438
signs if they pay, but it isn't if they don't.

643
00:48:08,438 --> 00:48:17,725
Pay. So. Aren't we more worried about? Keeping. Our residents

644
00:48:17,725 --> 00:48:23,831
safe and to follow the rules of Aoda. If we're

645
00:48:23,831 --> 00:48:30,732
making them move. There's signs because we're saying. They're not.

646
00:48:31,393 --> 00:48:34,073
In the correct area, then why would it be okay

647
00:48:34,073 --> 00:48:37,873
for them to put their signs there if they pay.

648
00:48:39,936 --> 00:48:43,096
Madam Cao has the answer, you, worship, members of council.

649
00:48:44,763 --> 00:48:47,323
So what the report is suggesting. So first of all,

650
00:48:47,323 --> 00:48:52,812
if there is a sign in the. HCD overlay area

651
00:48:52,812 --> 00:48:54,892
that wouldn't be allowed at all. So there would be

652
00:48:54,892 --> 00:48:57,652
no. Payment for sign. There's just no sign allowed there

653
00:48:57,652 --> 00:49:00,641
at all, so, really. And really, this kind of weighs

654
00:49:00,641 --> 00:49:02,841
it out for council. There are kind of three things,

655
00:49:02,841 --> 00:49:05,161
I think that you have to make decisions on whether

656
00:49:05,161 --> 00:49:09,401
or not you want allow a mobile type of sign.

657
00:49:09,401 --> 00:49:13,801
In the HCD because your bylaw right now says no

658
00:49:13,801 --> 00:49:18,341
to that a frame signs are permitted. If there is

659
00:49:18,341 --> 00:49:21,301
enough width on the sidewalk and the reason why there

660
00:49:21,301 --> 00:49:23,301
would be a fee for that is because it's in

661
00:49:23,301 --> 00:49:26,912
the public right of way. We would have to make

662
00:49:26,912 --> 00:49:30,192
sure that it complies and that we check everything and

663
00:49:30,192 --> 00:49:33,916
make sure it's in compliance. And also from a liability

664
00:49:33,916 --> 00:49:37,256
standpoint. So that's why. We would. It's almost like an

665
00:49:37,256 --> 00:49:40,176
encroachment on town property. Well, it is. An encroachment on

666
00:49:40,176 --> 00:49:42,736
town property. So that's why a fee would be allowed.

667
00:49:42,736 --> 00:49:47,410
For those particular ones. And then the third issue that

668
00:49:47,410 --> 00:49:50,170
council has to decide upon, I suppose, is whether or

669
00:49:50,170 --> 00:49:56,238
not. You want to maintain? Your limited. Time frame for

670
00:49:56,238 --> 00:49:59,238
mobile signs, which is currently in your bylaw at the

671
00:49:59,238 --> 00:50:02,798
180 days. So those really seem to be the three

672
00:50:02,798 --> 00:50:05,478
points of contention right now. To be clear, if there

673
00:50:05,478 --> 00:50:09,398
is an aframe sign that is on someone's own personal

674
00:50:09,398 --> 00:50:12,118
property at their lotline there would be no fee for

675
00:50:12,118 --> 00:50:14,238
that. It would only be if it's in the public,

676
00:50:14,238 --> 00:50:16,789
right? Of way on town. Property. Well, thank you for

677
00:50:16,789 --> 00:50:21,629
that. But in the past, we have waived fees, for

678
00:50:21,629 --> 00:50:27,247
example. The people on the residents on George street. We

679
00:50:27,247 --> 00:50:34,538
waived the fees. Some of their property. Their homes were

680
00:50:34,538 --> 00:50:37,898
on town property. So we could do the same thing

681
00:50:37,898 --> 00:50:43,719
tonight, correct? Council can make whatever decision that council deems

682
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:47,319
is appropriate in the circumstances. However, we bring to you

683
00:50:47,319 --> 00:50:52,021
best practices. In other municipalities when you are doing an

684
00:50:52,021 --> 00:50:56,167
encroachment. You do charge a fee because it takes staff

685
00:50:56,167 --> 00:50:59,327
time to process that, to do the inspection, to make

686
00:50:59,327 --> 00:51:02,407
sure it's put in the proper place. It's totally council's

687
00:51:02,407 --> 00:51:06,444
decision. What you want to do in that regard. Okay.

688
00:51:06,444 --> 00:51:10,275
And thank you for that. But then further to that.

689
00:51:12,052 --> 00:51:14,719
We will be taking up. I just want you to

690
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:16,199
stay with this side. I am trying to stay with.

691
00:51:18,625 --> 00:51:22,920
The sign area. This is what I'm concerned about. Right

692
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,640
now, when I look at the people that presented tonight,

693
00:51:28,384 --> 00:51:31,464
Almost every one of them will not be able to

694
00:51:31,464 --> 00:51:36,184
have signs if we pass that heritage district. Am I

695
00:51:36,184 --> 00:51:41,603
correct in that? No. The Aframe sign would still be

696
00:51:41,603 --> 00:51:44,883
allowed in the heritage districts. Mobile signs would not be

697
00:51:44,883 --> 00:51:49,475
in the Heritage district. A mobile sign would not be

698
00:51:49,475 --> 00:51:52,995
a permanent sign is allowed. So if a business feels

699
00:51:52,995 --> 00:51:55,195
that they need to have some kind of permanent signage,

700
00:51:55,195 --> 00:51:59,929
as Mr. Tetler mentioned earlier. There are permanent signs can

701
00:51:59,929 --> 00:52:02,169
be placed on the sides of buildings, that kind of

702
00:52:02,169 --> 00:52:06,492
thing, where you can change messaging. Certainly business owners are

703
00:52:06,492 --> 00:52:09,132
welcome to work with our building department to have something

704
00:52:09,132 --> 00:52:11,372
like that installed and to make sure it complies with

705
00:52:11,372 --> 00:52:17,479
building code. So. It just wouldn't be those temporary mobile

706
00:52:17,479 --> 00:52:20,159
type signs that would be allowed in the heritage. Conservation

707
00:52:20,159 --> 00:52:23,900
district. But again, that's a decision for council to make.

708
00:52:25,334 --> 00:52:29,119
Okay. Councilor MacArthur, and then we're going to move on

709
00:52:29,119 --> 00:52:34,368
to the last deputy. Just clarity on that point now

710
00:52:34,368 --> 00:52:36,328
that we're talking about it. Because the report before us.

711
00:52:36,328 --> 00:52:39,928
Says that mobile signs are not permitted within a heritage

712
00:52:39,928 --> 00:52:44,168
conservation district. So is that like a provincial rule, or

713
00:52:44,168 --> 00:52:48,488
should this read correctly? They're not allowed in ours because

714
00:52:48,488 --> 00:52:51,608
it says it's? Not allowed in any heritage conservation district

715
00:52:51,608 --> 00:52:53,911
as written. So is that what it means to say.

716
00:52:55,274 --> 00:52:57,834
You're worship members of council. I believe it means ours.

717
00:52:57,834 --> 00:53:01,114
It was for our heritage conservation. District, and I can

718
00:53:01,114 --> 00:53:05,268
have Mr. Coates speak to the reasoning behind that. Through

719
00:53:05,268 --> 00:53:08,268
you, your worship. Yeah. It's very common in heritage conservation

720
00:53:08,268 --> 00:53:14,245
districts to have restrictions around. Science. Both flag science are

721
00:53:14,245 --> 00:53:18,496
something that is very common. Our sign bylaw does respond

722
00:53:18,496 --> 00:53:21,016
only to ours. I think it's only referencing ours and

723
00:53:21,016 --> 00:53:29,516
both leg signs are prohibition within that area. Mr clerk.

724
00:53:31,607 --> 00:53:35,367
And also mobile signs. Right. The intention behind that being

725
00:53:35,367 --> 00:53:37,807
your heritage conservation district has a certain look. And feel.

726
00:53:37,807 --> 00:53:40,567
And so generally you'd look for a permanent sign that

727
00:53:40,567 --> 00:53:44,718
reflects. That design criteria that you're aiming for in that

728
00:53:44,718 --> 00:53:51,392
area. Okay, I'm going to call the last deputy. Is

729
00:53:51,392 --> 00:53:55,731
gender, Luca. Hi, everyone.

730
00:54:01,236 --> 00:54:05,194
Jan Deluca from waterfront ice cream. I understand that a

731
00:54:05,194 --> 00:54:09,234
complaint was made about Aframe signs blocking the sidewalk and

732
00:54:09,234 --> 00:54:14,434
not being Aoda compliant. What I don't understand is why

733
00:54:14,434 --> 00:54:17,354
an entire bylaw had to be rewritten to address this.

734
00:54:18,874 --> 00:54:22,034
There was no consultation with the businesses, there were no

735
00:54:22,034 --> 00:54:26,834
meetings, no open houses, just assigned Blitz. So we sent

736
00:54:26,834 --> 00:54:29,234
in emails. We then tried to speak to you at

737
00:54:29,234 --> 00:54:33,128
a previous meeting, but were denied. The opportunity. We have

738
00:54:33,128 --> 00:54:36,488
no recourse to share our concerns when this happens. And

739
00:54:36,488 --> 00:54:39,448
here we are two. Months later, speaking at a meeting.

740
00:54:40,838 --> 00:54:43,758
Why is there no other more productive and more expedient

741
00:54:43,758 --> 00:54:47,544
way to work with the businesses? All of us here

742
00:54:47,544 --> 00:54:52,831
tonight have had signs out for 50 years. 46 years,

743
00:54:52,831 --> 00:54:57,510
25 years and more. All of which are Aoda compliant.

744
00:54:59,139 --> 00:55:02,819
And your solution to this complaint toward another business owner

745
00:55:02,819 --> 00:55:06,139
or group of businesses who had no regard for Aoda

746
00:55:06,139 --> 00:55:09,299
compliance was the writing of a whole new signed bylaw.

747
00:55:11,009 --> 00:55:14,209
During which we were all greeted with citations and pending

748
00:55:14,209 --> 00:55:19,489
fines during our business hours for not removing our signs.

749
00:55:19,489 --> 00:55:22,649
In this two month period, the absence of our signs

750
00:55:22,649 --> 00:55:26,409
has caused a drastic decrease in customers and sales for

751
00:55:26,409 --> 00:55:31,199
many. And here we are with the report. Only to

752
00:55:31,199 --> 00:55:34,199
tell us that after having to remove our signs and

753
00:55:34,199 --> 00:55:37,439
incur loss of business, we now get to continue to

754
00:55:37,439 --> 00:55:42,679
have this prior privilege reinstated, but for a yearly application

755
00:55:42,679 --> 00:55:48,069
and fee. This is clearly not about Aoda compliance. Since

756
00:55:48,069 --> 00:55:51,509
all of our signs actually meet this criteria, it is

757
00:55:51,509 --> 00:55:55,029
about greed and taking more money from your small businesses.

758
00:55:56,436 --> 00:56:00,196
Armando's Pizza has won numerous awards for his pizza and

759
00:56:00,196 --> 00:56:04,476
has been recognized all over. He helps keep Amesburg relevant.

760
00:56:04,476 --> 00:56:06,756
And you want to charge him to take down and

761
00:56:06,756 --> 00:56:11,516
put up his sign every 200 days. His daily grind

762
00:56:11,516 --> 00:56:16,054
isn't enough. Waggles Meats is the only family run, second

763
00:56:16,054 --> 00:56:19,054
generation butcher shop in town, and you want to do

764
00:56:19,054 --> 00:56:21,734
the same to him for a sign that lets people

765
00:56:21,734 --> 00:56:26,412
know he's tucked away. On Renault street. 67 Richmond street

766
00:56:26,412 --> 00:56:28,892
is the only place in Amnesburg where you can get

767
00:56:28,892 --> 00:56:31,812
a nice suit. For a special occasion. And you don't

768
00:56:31,812 --> 00:56:34,802
want people to know when he has a sale. Some

769
00:56:34,802 --> 00:56:37,522
of you even show your public support for freed instead.

770
00:56:39,192 --> 00:56:42,552
Gumballs and overalls. The only children's consignment store is right

771
00:56:42,552 --> 00:56:46,112
on Sandwich street. People need to know she's there and

772
00:56:46,112 --> 00:56:49,312
that she has a senior discount. She lost her entire

773
00:56:49,312 --> 00:56:54,585
spring season without her sign. Yours. Country kitchen. Another destination

774
00:56:54,585 --> 00:56:59,425
point and pits fresh veggies. Their signs impede no one.

775
00:56:59,425 --> 00:57:01,665
And they're essential in the, in the success of their

776
00:57:01,665 --> 00:57:05,688
small businesses. The absence of a sign hinders businesses on

777
00:57:05,688 --> 00:57:09,448
every level. How are you supposed to know which? Fish

778
00:57:09,448 --> 00:57:11,848
Fry is happening at the Knights of Columbus or what

779
00:57:11,848 --> 00:57:14,088
time the bingo starts if they don't. Have a sign

780
00:57:14,088 --> 00:57:17,888
for two weeks between each 200 day period. Why do

781
00:57:17,888 --> 00:57:20,048
you feel you have to accept more money from the

782
00:57:20,048 --> 00:57:24,180
business community. I'm honestly dumbfounded at the idea that these

783
00:57:24,180 --> 00:57:27,780
signs can now only be used for a yearly fee

784
00:57:27,780 --> 00:57:31,740
even when they are Aoda compliant, and I'm further dumbfounded

785
00:57:31,740 --> 00:57:34,740
that magnet. Signs that have been placed for decades now

786
00:57:34,740 --> 00:57:38,959
come out of cost with a restricted time period. You

787
00:57:38,959 --> 00:57:42,159
want businesses to pay you, you should be paying the

788
00:57:42,159 --> 00:57:44,919
businesses for what they bring to this. Town, not taking

789
00:57:44,919 --> 00:57:48,199
more from them. How do you guys stumble across new

790
00:57:48,199 --> 00:57:51,039
stores and restaurants when you visit a new small town.

791
00:57:51,039 --> 00:57:54,899
It's very simple. Signage. One of you mentioned that you

792
00:57:54,899 --> 00:57:57,899
did not want another public fight with the businesses, but

793
00:57:57,899 --> 00:58:00,339
this is the only option for dialogue that you give

794
00:58:00,339 --> 00:58:04,139
us. You adopt bylaws that you do. Not fully read

795
00:58:04,139 --> 00:58:07,939
or understand. And there's no communication with the actual people

796
00:58:07,939 --> 00:58:11,139
they affect, then we get five minutes on. The spot.

797
00:58:12,334 --> 00:58:15,414
To speak. State our plea publicly. We are business owners.

798
00:58:15,414 --> 00:58:17,654
We must leave our businesses to do this. Every time.

799
00:58:19,492 --> 00:58:20,692
I am pleading with all of you to do better

800
00:58:20,692 --> 00:58:24,132
for us. I want to thank councilor. Puge because she's

801
00:58:24,132 --> 00:58:27,012
the only one who continues to ask questions for us,

802
00:58:27,012 --> 00:58:30,292
and she advocates rest, especially when she admits that her

803
00:58:30,292 --> 00:58:34,082
decision was bad for us. Asking us to wait for

804
00:58:34,082 --> 00:58:37,642
a report and sit tight while losing customers is not

805
00:58:37,642 --> 00:58:41,446
an appropriate answer. Please erase the fine print in this

806
00:58:41,446 --> 00:58:44,766
bylaw and don't charge the business community to advertise for

807
00:58:44,766 --> 00:58:48,366
their businesses and livelihood. When did we stop taking care

808
00:58:48,366 --> 00:58:51,386
of each other? I think I have a tiny bit

809
00:58:51,386 --> 00:58:52,946
of time lapse, and I just want to give you.

810
00:58:52,946 --> 00:58:58,226
One tiny scenario. Fishflies. They're everywhere. My husband spent an

811
00:58:58,226 --> 00:59:01,666
hour and a half every morning, leaf blowing the fishflies.

812
00:59:01,666 --> 00:59:04,026
Could you imagine if he stopped at the property line

813
00:59:04,026 --> 00:59:07,712
and said, I'm going to save those. Few million for

814
00:59:07,712 --> 00:59:10,592
the town because the property line ends there. I'm just

815
00:59:10,592 --> 00:59:13,112
going to do my part up to the line, just

816
00:59:13,112 --> 00:59:16,112
like Mr. Leardi said. He sweeps that area. He shovels.

817
00:59:16,112 --> 00:59:19,272
That area. All of us take care of that frontage.

818
00:59:19,272 --> 00:59:22,512
46 years, waterfront has been doing that. And you're going

819
00:59:22,512 --> 00:59:23,872
to tell me now I got to pay to put

820
00:59:23,872 --> 00:59:27,166
my sign. There. It just doesn't make sense. And they

821
00:59:27,166 --> 00:59:30,606
are Aoda compliant, every one of us here, so I

822
00:59:30,606 --> 00:59:33,366
don't know why. That keeps coming up. There may be

823
00:59:33,366 --> 00:59:38,086
other businesses who didn't have that Aoda compliance. Like Mr.

824
00:59:38,086 --> 00:59:41,006
Courtney said, deal with that in a different light. But

825
00:59:41,006 --> 00:59:44,406
to rewrite a whole new bylaw and pop in people's

826
00:59:44,406 --> 00:59:47,302
businesses during business hours with a citation. And a threat

827
00:59:47,302 --> 00:59:52,569
to be fined just doesn't seem right. It's not. Thank

828
00:59:52,569 --> 00:59:59,222
you. Any questions of this deputy? Seeing none. Motion to

829
00:59:59,222 --> 01:00:05,048
receive the deputation, councilor. And councilor MacArthur. All those in

830
01:00:05,048 --> 01:00:11,842
favor? Opposed? That's carried. Questions. Of staff. Anybody have question

831
01:00:11,842 --> 01:00:20,141
on this? Councilor puge. I've got questions, but I do

832
01:00:20,141 --> 01:00:24,176
have a motion when it's time. Well. I'm going to

833
01:00:24,176 --> 01:00:26,176
allow the motion later because now we're going to go

834
01:00:26,176 --> 01:00:30,360
to general questions. Not about individual properties, but just about

835
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:33,360
the bylaw. And this is a bylaw that is. An

836
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:36,856
old, old, old bylaw. It's not new. This is going

837
01:00:36,856 --> 01:00:40,376
back 25 years just wasn't enforced. But it's an old

838
01:00:40,376 --> 01:00:47,295
bylaw. We're using anyway. Councilor Olaire. Yeah. Thank you, Mr.

839
01:00:47,295 --> 01:00:50,655
Mayor. Through you to Mr. Tattler, one of the continuous

840
01:00:50,655 --> 01:00:53,255
things was the restriction of the duration of time. If

841
01:00:53,255 --> 01:00:56,255
we removed that from the current bylaws and amended amendment.

842
01:00:57,866 --> 01:01:02,125
What repercussions does that have? Anything? Three you worshiped, Councilor

843
01:01:02,125 --> 01:01:08,655
Lair. If that council's discretion to waive and make any

844
01:01:08,655 --> 01:01:16,815
decisions they choose to. Counselor puge. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

845
01:01:20,075 --> 01:01:24,576
Probably through you to the Cao. If we enact this

846
01:01:24,576 --> 01:01:30,056
bylaw. Does it not mean extra work for administration to

847
01:01:30,056 --> 01:01:33,704
go out and collect all these fees? Members of council.

848
01:01:35,524 --> 01:01:39,244
If you enacted the amendment to the bylaw that the

849
01:01:39,244 --> 01:01:43,244
report suggests, I. E. Having allowing Aframe signs if they're

850
01:01:43,244 --> 01:01:46,475
permitted. People would have to make their application. So yes,

851
01:01:46,475 --> 01:01:50,915
it is additional work to have the afraid signs on

852
01:01:50,915 --> 01:01:54,392
public property. And certainly we put the fee in there

853
01:01:54,392 --> 01:01:58,312
because we were following council, what we thought was council's.

854
01:01:58,312 --> 01:02:03,911
Overall direction in terms of usage of public property. With

855
01:02:03,911 --> 01:02:06,751
the temporary patios and whatnot, it was certainly made clear

856
01:02:06,751 --> 01:02:09,631
that people should have to pay to use town property,

857
01:02:09,631 --> 01:02:12,951
and so. We wanted to make sure that we were

858
01:02:12,951 --> 01:02:16,796
collecting back. The money that would be used in staff

859
01:02:16,796 --> 01:02:20,076
time in terms of taking the permits, doing the inspections.

860
01:02:20,076 --> 01:02:22,196
As we do with patios, that type of thing. So

861
01:02:22,196 --> 01:02:26,745
it was similar to that. Okay, so. Saying that this

862
01:02:26,745 --> 01:02:31,562
would be a wash, basically. If we don't collect it

863
01:02:31,562 --> 01:02:34,322
and the amount of time and money that we would

864
01:02:34,322 --> 01:02:40,771
have. To spend. Trying. To enact this by law and

865
01:02:40,771 --> 01:02:43,411
collect the fees. Really? It would be a wash if

866
01:02:43,411 --> 01:02:50,020
we just forgave. Any peace. Like we did on George

867
01:02:50,020 --> 01:02:55,104
Street. So I don't know if it would be a

868
01:02:55,104 --> 01:02:58,980
wash. Certainly the fee that's being charged. Is not cost

869
01:02:58,980 --> 01:03:02,739
recovery, I would suggest. So it's up to council what

870
01:03:02,739 --> 01:03:12,420
you decide to do. Other questions of staff. Councilor

871
01:03:12,420 --> 01:03:19,107
macarthur. With how the bylaw is written now, without changes.

872
01:03:19,107 --> 01:03:24,843
Looking at the map of the HCD, Does Mr. Leardi

873
01:03:24,843 --> 01:03:27,283
store fall within that? So would he be allowed to

874
01:03:27,283 --> 01:03:31,595
have a mobile sign? And. Did four specs and the

875
01:03:31,595 --> 01:03:35,436
flag. Would those both be prohibited? Through your worship. That

876
01:03:35,436 --> 01:03:39,876
is correct, Councilor McArthur. Mr. Lardi would not be allowed.

877
01:03:39,876 --> 01:03:42,316
To have a mobile sign and specs would not be

878
01:03:42,316 --> 01:03:50,258
allowed to have both. Flagstein. Further questions. I'll just pass

879
01:03:50,258 --> 01:03:54,385
the gavel. I have a couple. We have assigned by

880
01:03:54,385 --> 01:03:59,571
law that comes up every four years. During elections. How

881
01:03:59,571 --> 01:04:04,510
many members of this council had signs removed? In the

882
01:04:04,510 --> 01:04:08,762
last election. And why? Because. They were on property. They

883
01:04:08,762 --> 01:04:13,562
weren't on private property. They were on the boulevards. They

884
01:04:13,562 --> 01:04:18,687
were on the rights of way. And. Members of members

885
01:04:18,687 --> 01:04:23,239
who were running for election. Had no recourse. They couldn't

886
01:04:23,239 --> 01:04:26,729
pay. The only thing they paid for was 100 and

887
01:04:26,729 --> 01:04:32,256
something dollars to get a single sign back. And that's

888
01:04:32,256 --> 01:04:36,882
the bylaw that was put. In. Place before my time.

889
01:04:36,882 --> 01:04:39,882
I think councilor Puge was on council when that came

890
01:04:39,882 --> 01:04:43,815
into effect. I don't think anyone else was, but that's

891
01:04:43,815 --> 01:04:49,291
just one of the signs. And I have some difficulty

892
01:04:49,291 --> 01:04:53,850
with all of this. I don't mind the signs. I

893
01:04:53,850 --> 01:04:58,127
don't mind them, provided they are AOD compliant. I will

894
01:04:58,127 --> 01:05:02,219
never. Support a sign that is blocking someone who is

895
01:05:02,219 --> 01:05:05,951
blind in a wheelchair. A mother in a carriage with

896
01:05:05,951 --> 01:05:09,271
a carriage. I will never, ever support that sign on

897
01:05:09,271 --> 01:05:14,718
the street. Because those people have rights, same as all

898
01:05:14,718 --> 01:05:19,119
of us. They're not different. They have rights. And their

899
01:05:19,119 --> 01:05:23,825
rights, I think, supersede the rights to be safe. Supersede

900
01:05:23,825 --> 01:05:26,625
the rights to make money. I know money. Making money

901
01:05:26,625 --> 01:05:30,922
is important. What I want to see here, and I

902
01:05:30,922 --> 01:05:34,648
don't know what the motions are going to. Be. What

903
01:05:34,648 --> 01:05:38,490
I want to see here is. A signed by law,

904
01:05:38,490 --> 01:05:43,330
which is permissive, which will allow businesses to flourish, but

905
01:05:43,330 --> 01:05:47,102
will also be safe. And if we have to charge

906
01:05:47,102 --> 01:05:51,239
a few dollars. Ms. Brush says she's not going to

907
01:05:51,239 --> 01:05:54,159
pay. Well, I guess what happens with all bylaws when

908
01:05:54,159 --> 01:05:56,919
you don't pay, you end up in court. Not that

909
01:05:56,919 --> 01:06:00,079
that's. A threat. But that's what happens. That's what happens

910
01:06:00,079 --> 01:06:03,684
with every bylaw that's. Broken. If the person won't pay

911
01:06:03,684 --> 01:06:06,164
the fine, they end up in court. We do that

912
01:06:06,164 --> 01:06:11,725
every week, every month. And so Mr. Leardi made a

913
01:06:11,725 --> 01:06:15,605
very strong point. He said he would gladly pay because

914
01:06:15,605 --> 01:06:19,917
he lost more money. He lost. 75 years worth of

915
01:06:19,917 --> 01:06:23,357
payments. That's what he said. 75 years worth of payments.

916
01:06:25,371 --> 01:06:29,106
Or sales. For the lack of that sign. I'm sure

917
01:06:29,106 --> 01:06:34,502
he would gladly pay for it. And Lynn's variety. She

918
01:06:34,502 --> 01:06:38,142
said she just wanted some kind of compromise, and I

919
01:06:38,142 --> 01:06:43,129
think that makes perfect sense. The KFC. Wants to compromise

920
01:06:43,129 --> 01:06:47,158
and one is available to them. So we all, as

921
01:06:47,158 --> 01:06:50,158
a town, have to try to do something to compromise

922
01:06:50,158 --> 01:06:53,758
it. I'm waiting for the motions that come forward. But

923
01:06:53,758 --> 01:06:59,499
please, whatever they are, make them Aod compliant. Make. Them.

924
01:07:00,878 --> 01:07:09,625
Such that they are enforceable without being onerous. And. As

925
01:07:09,625 --> 01:07:13,505
some of the delegates said, bring people back together. I

926
01:07:13,505 --> 01:07:17,887
think it can be done. It's. Up to council. I'll

927
01:07:17,887 --> 01:07:21,428
take the gavel back. I'll hear motions. Councilor Courtney, do

928
01:07:21,428 --> 01:07:27,286
you have a motion? I'm just asking. Can I speak

929
01:07:27,286 --> 01:07:31,415
to staff first? If you still have another question, go

930
01:07:31,415 --> 01:07:34,055
ahead. Again, I threw out a few things that make

931
01:07:34,055 --> 01:07:35,815
sense. To me, and maybe, I don't know if it

932
01:07:35,815 --> 01:07:38,913
makes sense for the rest of council. I think. Without

933
01:07:38,913 --> 01:07:41,753
layman's terms. I mean, we need bylaws, section blah section

934
01:07:41,753 --> 01:07:48,397
subsection. Subsection. I know we need bylaws. I think the

935
01:07:48,397 --> 01:07:54,358
gist of what I'm gathering. Here is. Aoda compliance. It

936
01:07:54,358 --> 01:07:57,634
has to happen. If a business. And number of sites.

937
01:07:57,634 --> 01:07:59,674
We had a moratorium because our front road coming in

938
01:07:59,674 --> 01:08:01,954
where the parolee buildings are. It was starting to look

939
01:08:01,954 --> 01:08:05,034
like Tennessee with a whole bunch of mobile signs on

940
01:08:05,034 --> 01:08:08,774
privately owned. It was terrible looking. It was trashy looking,

941
01:08:08,774 --> 01:08:10,494
but to limit the number of signs, if you're a

942
01:08:10,494 --> 01:08:13,254
registered commercial business, and our commercial tax base says that

943
01:08:13,254 --> 01:08:16,326
they're a commercial business. You should be limited to one

944
01:08:16,326 --> 01:08:19,006
sign, either a mobile sign or aframe if you have

945
01:08:19,006 --> 01:08:22,246
the size of lot to do. So if it's on

946
01:08:22,246 --> 01:08:24,246
town property, if we have to. Do an easement and

947
01:08:24,246 --> 01:08:26,526
there's money, then that would be different if it's. On

948
01:08:26,526 --> 01:08:30,006
private property. Who cares? As long as it's secure, safe,

949
01:08:30,006 --> 01:08:32,286
and it's in. Good taste. I mean, this is the

950
01:08:32,286 --> 01:08:35,166
gist of what I'm thinking. We want for our town.

951
01:08:35,166 --> 01:08:37,455
You go. To any other small town in Ontario and

952
01:08:37,455 --> 01:08:39,335
you're looking for those Aframes when you're walking up and

953
01:08:39,335 --> 01:08:41,815
down the sidewalk. Yeah. You can look up top and

954
01:08:41,815 --> 01:08:45,197
see their sign above, but. You're not really looking up

955
01:08:45,197 --> 01:08:46,957
there. You're looking at the aframe signs. And going, oh,

956
01:08:46,957 --> 01:08:50,357
clothing store they got. Oh. And then I understand the

957
01:08:50,357 --> 01:08:53,477
importance of these mobile signs. And these temporary aframe signs.

958
01:08:53,477 --> 01:08:56,557
And if the heritage district, if you can't have in

959
01:08:56,557 --> 01:09:01,135
our heritage district, in our small historical town. A sign,

960
01:09:01,135 --> 01:09:04,404
an aframe sign that. You can have an aframe sign.

961
01:09:04,404 --> 01:09:09,898
Sorry. A mobile sign. Flags are interesting concept, but anyhow,

962
01:09:09,898 --> 01:09:11,818
I think that's the gist of it, and. So through

963
01:09:11,818 --> 01:09:14,058
you. Mr. Mayor, I'm not sure what a motion has

964
01:09:14,058 --> 01:09:15,538
to be here because. I don't want to piecemeal these

965
01:09:15,538 --> 01:09:17,938
things. We always do this, but that's. The gist? If

966
01:09:17,938 --> 01:09:23,172
you have a motion, Councilor Puji. Okay, I'll recognize Councilor

967
01:09:23,172 --> 01:09:27,429
puja next. And if you don't like it, you can

968
01:09:27,429 --> 01:09:31,429
amend it. Okay, I'd like to. Make a motion to

969
01:09:31,429 --> 01:09:37,509
direct administration to allow businesses to advertise with sandwich boards,

970
01:09:37,509 --> 01:09:46,195
flags and mobile signs that fall within the guideline. Guidelines

971
01:09:46,195 --> 01:09:52,404
of the Aoda and do not obstruct. Mobility. Devices. Without

972
01:09:52,404 --> 01:09:55,444
payment to the town of Amhersburg in order to allow

973
01:09:55,444 --> 01:10:02,202
these businesses to thrive and to promote. Economic development. Further

974
01:10:02,202 --> 01:10:07,826
to that, this section of bylaw 2025. One be removed.

975
01:10:09,500 --> 01:10:19,349
Councilor ler. Okay. It's been seconded for

976
01:10:19,349 --> 01:10:21,589
discussion. Just so people in the audience know, that doesn't.

977
01:10:21,589 --> 01:10:23,789
Mean she's necessarily going to support it, but she wants

978
01:10:23,789 --> 01:10:28,629
to hear it all out. Okay, Councilor Elaire. Thank you.

979
01:10:28,629 --> 01:10:32,949
First question is, what is that section to remove? What

980
01:10:32,949 --> 01:10:35,709
is that because she's removing a section, is that to

981
01:10:35,709 --> 01:10:39,967
remove. I don't have the bylaw directly in front of

982
01:10:39,967 --> 01:10:47,352
me. May I speak, mayor? Well, can somebody explain what

983
01:10:47,352 --> 01:10:56,150
that section is? Okay, Mr. Clerk. Certainly. I think the

984
01:10:56,150 --> 01:10:58,310
elements that are mentioned here are in a number of

985
01:10:58,310 --> 01:11:02,030
different sections of the bylaw if we had direction from

986
01:11:02,030 --> 01:11:04,710
counsel on what they wanted to see in their sign

987
01:11:04,710 --> 01:11:07,390
by law, we could amend that, sign bylaw and bring

988
01:11:07,390 --> 01:11:12,097
that back with those amendments. But we'd need to know

989
01:11:12,097 --> 01:11:15,057
what. Just to clarify, I think what Councilor Peugey. Was

990
01:11:15,057 --> 01:11:18,097
asking to have removed would be a the restriction on

991
01:11:18,097 --> 01:11:20,737
mobile signs so she would allow mobile signs anywhere in

992
01:11:20,737 --> 01:11:23,137
the town if it was Aoda compliant. So you would

993
01:11:23,137 --> 01:11:26,577
take out that restriction, whatever section that is, you would

994
01:11:26,577 --> 01:11:30,062
also take out. Any. I guess it would just be.

995
01:11:32,721 --> 01:11:35,201
In any aframe sign that's on town property. As long

996
01:11:35,201 --> 01:11:39,041
as it doesn't. Impede the right of way or and

997
01:11:39,041 --> 01:11:45,768
is Aoda compliant, I think. Okay, Councilor Lair, thank you

998
01:11:45,768 --> 01:11:49,368
much. Appreciate it. Councilor Puja. I see exactly where you're

999
01:11:49,368 --> 01:11:52,368
going from. I had it written a little bit differently,

1000
01:11:52,368 --> 01:11:54,288
and I would love it if you just take on

1001
01:11:54,288 --> 01:11:57,288
these amendments? I am okay with not having mobile signs

1002
01:11:57,288 --> 01:12:03,278
in our historic district. I don't think that it would

1003
01:12:03,278 --> 01:12:05,798
flow nicely with what we're trying to create. In our

1004
01:12:05,798 --> 01:12:08,998
sweet town. I'm okay with the overlay in the historic

1005
01:12:08,998 --> 01:12:12,078
district, I was okay with this entire sign law to

1006
01:12:12,078 --> 01:12:16,138
begin with. The first time, however, I am listening and

1007
01:12:16,138 --> 01:12:19,498
understanding. So I had written down that all signs must

1008
01:12:19,498 --> 01:12:25,223
be compliant with accessibility. For Ontario's with Disability Act. Signs

1009
01:12:25,223 --> 01:12:28,383
must be placed entirely on the property of the individual

1010
01:12:28,383 --> 01:12:31,103
for entirety displaying of the sign. So it must be

1011
01:12:31,103 --> 01:12:34,343
on their property in cases where the signs are not

1012
01:12:34,343 --> 01:12:37,423
placed on the owner's. Property. A fee shall be charged

1013
01:12:37,423 --> 01:12:40,903
to offset the costs of the application, processing, inspections, and

1014
01:12:40,903 --> 01:12:44,703
potential enforcement actions. That is just to cover the cost.

1015
01:12:44,703 --> 01:12:46,557
The by. Bylaw has to come out to make sure

1016
01:12:46,557 --> 01:12:49,846
that it is safe to be on our property. It

1017
01:12:49,846 --> 01:12:52,806
is only for signs that are not on entirety of

1018
01:12:52,806 --> 01:12:55,086
their property. And then the last part. That I had

1019
01:12:55,086 --> 01:12:59,521
was the current restrictions. On the duration of time sign

1020
01:12:59,521 --> 01:13:03,521
display be completely removed. So there is no sign display

1021
01:13:03,521 --> 01:13:06,881
duration. They can have it for the whole year. The

1022
01:13:06,881 --> 01:13:08,721
only time they'd have to pay is if. It was

1023
01:13:08,721 --> 01:13:12,549
on town property. It all has to be. A compliant.

1024
01:13:14,159 --> 01:13:17,855
That is what I was hoping would be. I can't

1025
01:13:17,855 --> 01:13:19,575
do it now because you seconded the motion we have

1026
01:13:19,575 --> 01:13:21,735
to deal with. This one that's on the floor. Would

1027
01:13:21,735 --> 01:13:24,495
you be okay with that? Changing it to a friendly

1028
01:13:24,495 --> 01:13:29,616
amendment is what I'm. Sorry. All right. So if you

1029
01:13:29,616 --> 01:13:31,656
don't like this, you're going to have to defeat the

1030
01:13:31,656 --> 01:13:34,136
motion. That's on the floor, and then I will turn

1031
01:13:34,136 --> 01:13:40,291
to you to try yours. Deputy mayor. Thank you. They

1032
01:13:40,291 --> 01:13:42,291
never tell you when you run for council that you're

1033
01:13:42,291 --> 01:13:44,091
going to have to sit and look at your friends

1034
01:13:44,091 --> 01:13:46,891
out there and disappoint some and make other ones happy.

1035
01:13:49,483 --> 01:13:53,316
So. That's always the hardest part. The other thing is,

1036
01:13:53,316 --> 01:13:56,716
I have to say I wholeheartedly agree with Councilor earlair.

1037
01:13:59,671 --> 01:14:02,791
We're not doing this to be mean. We're not doing

1038
01:14:02,791 --> 01:14:09,559
this to make people's. Lives. Difficult. But this town is

1039
01:14:09,559 --> 01:14:13,479
also a business. And if we don't follow the law,

1040
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:17,738
especially with accessibility. We're going to be fined, we're going

1041
01:14:17,738 --> 01:14:19,698
to be brought in front of the Human rights tribunal.

1042
01:14:21,482 --> 01:14:25,250
It's going to happen, so we have to act. There's

1043
01:14:25,250 --> 01:14:31,016
going to be. A cost. To review these signs that

1044
01:14:31,016 --> 01:14:33,176
are going to be on town property. There's going to

1045
01:14:33,176 --> 01:14:35,376
be a cost because we're going to have to document

1046
01:14:35,376 --> 01:14:37,816
it. We're going to have to make sure we can

1047
01:14:37,816 --> 01:14:43,334
defend ourselves. When the inevitable human rights complaint or lawsuit

1048
01:14:43,334 --> 01:14:47,584
comes. And I can't ask the taxpayers to pay that

1049
01:14:47,584 --> 01:14:51,867
cost. I have to put that, like councilor Lar said,

1050
01:14:51,867 --> 01:14:54,107
that has to be paid by the business owner. I'm

1051
01:14:54,107 --> 01:14:57,116
sorry. It's just not something that I can put on

1052
01:14:57,116 --> 01:15:02,034
the taxpayers. We've charged other businesses to use town property.

1053
01:15:02,034 --> 01:15:05,816
I don't see what the difference. Is here. The heritage

1054
01:15:05,816 --> 01:15:11,216
district. As far as mobile signs and flags. Again, I

1055
01:15:11,216 --> 01:15:16,595
agree with Councilor Alair. That's just not what we're trying

1056
01:15:16,595 --> 01:15:18,955
to do. I get it. I'm sorry that I'm going

1057
01:15:18,955 --> 01:15:22,275
to disappoint some of you, but I agree with her

1058
01:15:22,275 --> 01:15:24,395
that if we're going to have a heritage district, it

1059
01:15:24,395 --> 01:15:29,219
has to stay heritage. If your aframe sign is. Entirely

1060
01:15:29,219 --> 01:15:32,681
on your property. That's great. You've got the room to

1061
01:15:32,681 --> 01:15:36,161
do it. Great if you have to. Be on town

1062
01:15:36,161 --> 01:15:39,081
easement. Then there's going to have to be some kind

1063
01:15:39,081 --> 01:15:42,441
of fee. To cover the cost of ensuring it's there

1064
01:15:42,441 --> 01:15:49,011
properly. In the sake of. What does the merrow? We

1065
01:15:49,011 --> 01:15:54,503
say working together. I was going to say that. I'm

1066
01:15:54,503 --> 01:15:58,703
not entirely happy about having no limit on temporary signs,

1067
01:15:58,703 --> 01:16:04,036
but again, in the sake of working together. I would

1068
01:16:04,036 --> 01:16:07,820
support council lairish position on that as well. I think

1069
01:16:07,820 --> 01:16:12,617
we have to balance. Protecting the municipality. We have to

1070
01:16:12,617 --> 01:16:16,885
balance the fact that. We have to document these signs

1071
01:16:16,885 --> 01:16:19,285
that are on town property, and there's going to be

1072
01:16:19,285 --> 01:16:21,285
a cost to it. And if the sign is that

1073
01:16:21,285 --> 01:16:24,965
important. I know myself as a business owner. I would

1074
01:16:24,965 --> 01:16:28,530
pay that cost. So if councilor lear has a chance

1075
01:16:28,530 --> 01:16:31,290
to make that motion, I will second it. Okay, I

1076
01:16:31,290 --> 01:16:33,690
want everybody to know we are only dealing with the

1077
01:16:33,690 --> 01:16:37,490
motion in front of us, which is councilor. Pugets. Please

1078
01:16:37,490 --> 01:16:39,410
speak to that motion whether you're going to support it

1079
01:16:39,410 --> 01:16:41,610
or not. Just say yes or no. I'm not going

1080
01:16:41,610 --> 01:16:44,610
to support. You can say whatever you want. But just.

1081
01:16:44,610 --> 01:16:49,956
Okay. Councilor Crane and Councilor Macart. Macarthur. Thank you, worship.

1082
01:16:49,956 --> 01:16:53,156
The motion. Excuse me. I thought I could speak on

1083
01:16:53,156 --> 01:16:57,792
my motion first. And then councilor earlier interrupted and gave

1084
01:16:57,792 --> 01:17:01,812
her motion. I'm supposed to be able to speak to

1085
01:17:01,812 --> 01:17:04,012
it once I get a secondary I have. Not seen

1086
01:17:04,012 --> 01:17:06,092
your hand. If you want to speak. Well, I asked

1087
01:17:06,092 --> 01:17:09,652
straight away. You're supposed to come back to me. Protocol.

1088
01:17:09,652 --> 01:17:14,556
No. You have to indicate your willingness to the motion.

1089
01:17:14,556 --> 01:17:17,396
I will recognize. I'm going to recognize. Council to Crane.

1090
01:17:17,396 --> 01:17:20,916
And before I recognize council MacArthur, I'm going to you,

1091
01:17:20,916 --> 01:17:26,675
councilor Crane. Has the floor. You have it next. Thank

1092
01:17:26,675 --> 01:17:30,956
you, worship. The current motion. As it stands, I won't

1093
01:17:30,956 --> 01:17:34,356
be able to support. I believe it'll. Be difficult for

1094
01:17:34,356 --> 01:17:39,394
us if there's no cost. And there's no reporting to

1095
01:17:39,394 --> 01:17:43,794
the municipality. How do we confirm if the signs are

1096
01:17:43,794 --> 01:17:49,023
Aoda? Compliant. And with the approach that I believe has

1097
01:17:49,023 --> 01:17:52,263
been mentioned by some other members of council, if it

1098
01:17:52,263 --> 01:17:55,660
is on town property. We have to pay for the

1099
01:17:55,660 --> 01:17:58,860
staff time it takes to go out there and inspect

1100
01:17:58,860 --> 01:18:04,323
it. And without some type of protocol in place. The

1101
01:18:04,323 --> 01:18:09,603
only alternative would be to expect bylaw to monitor and

1102
01:18:09,603 --> 01:18:12,603
patrol the area on a daily basis and look around

1103
01:18:12,603 --> 01:18:15,603
for signage all day. But with the permit process, we're

1104
01:18:15,603 --> 01:18:17,563
able to understand where they're located. Are they in the

1105
01:18:17,563 --> 01:18:22,112
correct spots? I think perhaps there's another motion that could

1106
01:18:22,112 --> 01:18:26,072
strike some form of compromise if it's. On their own.

1107
01:18:28,732 --> 01:18:34,923
Property. Perhaps there's minimal to no restrictions. And, yeah, I

1108
01:18:34,923 --> 01:18:38,603
think council needs to make sure that we're making the

1109
01:18:38,603 --> 01:18:41,283
correct decision, right? Now, and we're not piecemealing it, as

1110
01:18:41,283 --> 01:18:45,674
councilor Courtney had mentioned. We're not experts in bylaw. We

1111
01:18:45,674 --> 01:18:48,754
had a bylaw brought before us. We passed. It. We're

1112
01:18:48,754 --> 01:18:51,794
receiving feedback from the business community, and we're taking that

1113
01:18:51,794 --> 01:18:54,434
into consideration. And trying to make this workable for everybody.

1114
01:18:56,522 --> 01:19:05,324
Councilor bougie. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Council has repeatedly heard

1115
01:19:05,324 --> 01:19:09,084
how difficult it is for our small businesses to be

1116
01:19:09,084 --> 01:19:14,324
profitable and viable. Council has heard how much a business

1117
01:19:14,324 --> 01:19:19,713
must pay. For overhead, not including the cost of insurance,

1118
01:19:19,713 --> 01:19:25,596
licenses, inspections, et cetera. Council is well aware of the

1119
01:19:25,596 --> 01:19:31,442
fact how much revenue. These small businesses lost during their

1120
01:19:31,442 --> 01:19:39,673
inability to advertise. With these signs, which resulted in less

1121
01:19:39,673 --> 01:19:44,873
foot traffic and significant loss of revenue. Besides that, many

1122
01:19:44,873 --> 01:19:49,873
of these businesses have to compete with online shopping and

1123
01:19:49,873 --> 01:19:55,495
many more businesses locating in the town of Amherstbur. Amherstburg.

1124
01:19:56,757 --> 01:20:01,437
As Sarah Brush stated, these businesses are the heart and

1125
01:20:01,437 --> 01:20:04,597
soul of our community and have been for many years.

1126
01:20:07,641 --> 01:20:13,523
They are not here for handouts, these people. Were not

1127
01:20:13,523 --> 01:20:17,803
here for handouts. They are only asking for a respect

1128
01:20:17,803 --> 01:20:21,683
and a chance to operate. Their businesses, as they have

1129
01:20:21,683 --> 01:20:28,687
done by advertising with sandwich signs and mobile signs. Flags

1130
01:20:28,687 --> 01:20:34,447
whatever to keep their businesses viable in these hard economic

1131
01:20:34,447 --> 01:20:41,191
times. These people spend a significant amount of money to

1132
01:20:41,191 --> 01:20:46,419
make the open air prosperous. For a small number of

1133
01:20:46,419 --> 01:20:52,099
businesses, they get nothing in return. And yet all they

1134
01:20:52,099 --> 01:20:56,374
were asking was to conduct their business. As they have

1135
01:20:56,374 --> 01:21:04,317
done. For the past 30, 40, 50 years. With no

1136
01:21:04,317 --> 01:21:10,031
complaints. No complaints at all. That's all I'm asking for.

1137
01:21:11,789 --> 01:21:18,152
We have waived the rules to allow other people. To

1138
01:21:18,152 --> 01:21:23,530
be on our town property. And we did it with

1139
01:21:23,530 --> 01:21:27,559
respect to. The homeowners. We should be able to do

1140
01:21:27,559 --> 01:21:32,714
this for these same businesses. Thank you. Hi, councilor macarthur.

1141
01:21:37,061 --> 01:21:39,981
I just need some clarity on. Needed a lot of

1142
01:21:39,981 --> 01:21:44,421
clarity tonight. But on this particular motion, either from councilor

1143
01:21:44,421 --> 01:21:49,830
puge or from the clerk's interpretation of it. Does councilor

1144
01:21:49,830 --> 01:21:53,990
Puge's motion, as it is written, address the duration that

1145
01:21:53,990 --> 01:21:57,110
a mobile sign can be out. In other words, if

1146
01:21:57,110 --> 01:22:00,230
promotion passes, can it be out for the full year?

1147
01:22:00,230 --> 01:22:02,750
Or would it still be limited to the maximum 200

1148
01:22:02,750 --> 01:22:06,292
days? So the motion reads, administration be directed to allow

1149
01:22:06,292 --> 01:22:09,492
businesses to advertise with Sandwich boards, flags and mobile signs

1150
01:22:09,492 --> 01:22:12,092
that fall within the guidelines the AODA and do not

1151
01:22:12,092 --> 01:22:15,452
obstruct mobility devices without payment to the town of Amnesburg.

1152
01:22:15,452 --> 01:22:18,052
In order to allow these businesses to thrive and promote

1153
01:22:18,052 --> 01:22:21,132
economic development. It is silent on whether or not there

1154
01:22:21,132 --> 01:22:25,932
is a removal of the timeline restric. Restrictions. So based

1155
01:22:25,932 --> 01:22:28,372
on that, I would lean towards. This does not address

1156
01:22:28,372 --> 01:22:33,220
that matter. No. Okay. I would like to ask that

1157
01:22:33,220 --> 01:22:36,060
a friendly amendment be made to that motion to allow

1158
01:22:36,060 --> 01:22:45,726
for. The duration for 365 days. Okay. Does the

1159
01:22:45,726 --> 01:22:53,973
secondary support the friendly amendment to that? Sure.

1160
01:22:56,464 --> 01:23:02,663
All right. Okay. Now, is there anybody else we're going

1161
01:23:02,663 --> 01:23:06,947
to vote on? And just one more clarifying question again.

1162
01:23:09,375 --> 01:23:11,295
Does it address the fact that, and I think it

1163
01:23:11,295 --> 01:23:14,741
does, with what you just said. The provision about the

1164
01:23:14,741 --> 01:23:19,631
Heritage Conservation District. So if councilor Pujay's motion passes as

1165
01:23:19,631 --> 01:23:22,711
is, would a flag be allowed? To fly at specs.

1166
01:23:22,711 --> 01:23:26,004
And would a mobile sign still be allowed? At Mr.

1167
01:23:26,004 --> 01:23:30,293
Leardi store. My interpretation of that would be that it

1168
01:23:30,293 --> 01:23:33,659
would be permissible because. It does not restrict it in

1169
01:23:33,659 --> 01:23:39,770
the motion. Okay. Thank you. Okay. We have council. Courtney,

1170
01:23:39,770 --> 01:23:43,254
you haven't spoken yet. Go ahead. I don't want to

1171
01:23:43,254 --> 01:23:45,134
piecemeal again, but I think two things have to be

1172
01:23:45,134 --> 01:23:48,298
added because we need rules. The number of signs per

1173
01:23:48,298 --> 01:23:51,747
business. And the size of the sign. We haven't talked

1174
01:23:51,747 --> 01:23:53,427
about that, and I think those are important things that

1175
01:23:53,427 --> 01:23:55,827
are in the existing bylaw. I think it's very important

1176
01:23:55,827 --> 01:23:58,347
to understand. What size sign can go out there? Because

1177
01:23:58,347 --> 01:24:01,147
you can get a personalized modified sign, an aframe and

1178
01:24:01,147 --> 01:24:02,547
make it as big as you want. It's still on

1179
01:24:02,547 --> 01:24:05,547
their property or. Number of sites, and I think that's

1180
01:24:05,547 --> 01:24:08,650
going to look sloppy. And so that's the only. Thing

1181
01:24:08,650 --> 01:24:09,970
if. Councilor Bougie, if you're picking up when I'm laying.

1182
01:24:09,970 --> 01:24:12,730
Down. I think that there should be a number set

1183
01:24:12,730 --> 01:24:17,178
per business on that temporary sign and the size. Should

1184
01:24:17,178 --> 01:24:18,818
be whether we use the existing sizes that are in

1185
01:24:18,818 --> 01:24:24,948
the existing bylaw and go from there. Okay. That is

1186
01:24:24,948 --> 01:24:27,148
not an amendment. So I'm just going to call. We're

1187
01:24:27,148 --> 01:24:33,648
going to. Vote. On councilor puge's motion. If it passes,

1188
01:24:33,648 --> 01:24:36,888
it passes. If it doesn't. I will entertain other motions.

1189
01:24:36,888 --> 01:24:45,329
Okay. All right. Councilor puge. Councilor Courtney is prepared to

1190
01:24:45,329 --> 01:24:50,062
make that for one sign per business. I'm okay with

1191
01:24:50,062 --> 01:24:54,609
that amendment. Through your worship. That provision, I believe, exists

1192
01:24:54,609 --> 01:24:57,849
in the current signed bylaw. So without that, it. Would

1193
01:24:57,849 --> 01:25:03,080
stand. The size was also in the current bylaw, so

1194
01:25:03,080 --> 01:25:08,760
those provisions are unamended by your motion. Okay, we have

1195
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:17,429
a motion by councilor puge. All those in favor? Opposed.

1196
01:25:21,733 --> 01:25:27,568
So it's me again, all right? I'm going to oppose

1197
01:25:27,568 --> 01:25:30,368
it because I do like council earlier's motion a lot.

1198
01:25:30,368 --> 01:25:37,076
Better. Councilor Alair. Thank you. So that fails. Thank you,

1199
01:25:37,076 --> 01:25:39,316
Mr. Merritt. So I move that the sign, by law,

1200
01:25:39,316 --> 01:25:44,625
be amended to include the following position. Provisions. All signs

1201
01:25:44,625 --> 01:25:48,025
must be compliant with the accessibility for Ontario's and Disability

1202
01:25:48,025 --> 01:25:51,065
act. Signs must be placed entirely on the property of

1203
01:25:51,065 --> 01:25:56,809
the individual. Or. Displaying the sign. In cases where the

1204
01:25:56,809 --> 01:25:59,369
signs are not placed on the owner's property, a fee

1205
01:25:59,369 --> 01:26:03,249
shall be charged to offset the cost. Application, processing, inspection,

1206
01:26:03,249 --> 01:26:07,289
and potential enforcement actions. The current restrictions on the duration

1207
01:26:07,289 --> 01:26:10,249
of the time assign may be displayed shall be removed.

1208
01:26:11,163 --> 01:26:19,377
Seconded by Councilor crane. You were indicating. Yes. Okay, seconded.

1209
01:26:21,754 --> 01:26:24,554
Just for clarity. Just for clarity. And following through on

1210
01:26:24,554 --> 01:26:26,954
this, the fees that are referenced there would be the

1211
01:26:26,954 --> 01:26:31,488
fees that are noted in the report, okay? Any discussion

1212
01:26:31,488 --> 01:26:38,923
on this. Okay, Councilor Crane. Just for clarity. Everything else

1213
01:26:38,923 --> 01:26:45,000
in the bylaw stands correct? Aside from what was just

1214
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:47,360
mentioned. Yes. And the bylaw would need to be amended

1215
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:49,480
and brought. Back so that council could adopt it at

1216
01:26:49,480 --> 01:26:51,720
a meeting with proper public notice and all the rest.

1217
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:53,320
So you'd have a chance to read through it again

1218
01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:56,560
with those provisions should this motion pass. Okay. And what

1219
01:26:56,560 --> 01:27:01,021
would the timelines look like on that? Not sure. I

1220
01:27:01,021 --> 01:27:05,129
don't know. Your worship, members of council, we'd certainly try

1221
01:27:05,129 --> 01:27:07,529
to bring it back to by the August. We have

1222
01:27:07,529 --> 01:27:10,209
one meeting in July, so I don't think we're publishing

1223
01:27:10,209 --> 01:27:14,628
reports for that. This week. So it would be the

1224
01:27:14,628 --> 01:27:22,415
August meeting. Councilor macarthur. I like councilor fought.

1225
01:27:25,868 --> 01:27:28,668
Which is not always the case, councilor Puge, but tonight

1226
01:27:28,668 --> 01:27:31,028
it was, and I'm going to oppose this motion, and

1227
01:27:31,028 --> 01:27:34,987
I'm going to oppose this motion because. It doesn't address

1228
01:27:34,987 --> 01:27:41,868
the inequity that the prohibition and the HCD. Engenders. And.

1229
01:27:43,137 --> 01:27:44,537
We're going to be debating that later in the evening.

1230
01:27:45,811 --> 01:27:47,891
And I don't want to presuppose how that's going to

1231
01:27:47,891 --> 01:27:51,491
go. But all along the way, I've been supportive, protecting

1232
01:27:51,491 --> 01:27:54,641
our heritage and our history. And when I think it

1233
01:27:54,641 --> 01:27:57,481
comes to economic development, that's why I believe in economic

1234
01:27:57,481 --> 01:28:00,601
development. Just like the businesses here talked about. And I

1235
01:28:00,601 --> 01:28:03,321
really don't think that flying a flag saying you're open.

1236
01:28:05,295 --> 01:28:09,147
They had flags back in 1867. So I don't really

1237
01:28:09,147 --> 01:28:12,307
think that's a blemish or a blight. On Heritage conservation

1238
01:28:12,307 --> 01:28:18,281
district. And. Modern meats history. If they would have had

1239
01:28:18,281 --> 01:28:21,201
mobile signs again back in the 18 hundreds, they would

1240
01:28:21,201 --> 01:28:25,041
have used them. Too, because commerce was king then as

1241
01:28:25,041 --> 01:28:27,881
well. So I think we had two delegates tonight that

1242
01:28:27,881 --> 01:28:30,841
get left out in the cold that this motion passes

1243
01:28:30,841 --> 01:28:34,647
as it is. In other businesses in the core as

1244
01:28:34,647 --> 01:28:39,287
well. And I don't think, given the broad geographic area.

1245
01:28:40,655 --> 01:28:46,451
That the HCD encompasses to ban a flag? And a

1246
01:28:46,451 --> 01:28:50,995
mobile sign is appropriate. Or, to be honest, that. Advances

1247
01:28:50,995 --> 01:28:53,035
the positive best interests of the town as a whole.

1248
01:28:53,035 --> 01:28:59,153
So I'm going to oppose it. Deputy mayor. Might as

1249
01:28:59,153 --> 01:29:02,113
well all get in there. I generally agree with Councilor

1250
01:29:02,113 --> 01:29:07,931
MacArthur. But I will say in this situation, I do

1251
01:29:07,931 --> 01:29:13,517
disagree. We just had. At a prior heritage. Heritage committee

1252
01:29:13,517 --> 01:29:17,757
meeting where the Legion came and asked for changes to

1253
01:29:17,757 --> 01:29:20,877
their sign, and their sign had to comply with the

1254
01:29:20,877 --> 01:29:24,450
heritage district, so. It would be very difficult for me.

1255
01:29:26,279 --> 01:29:31,718
To say. This charitable organization that's been around. For 50

1256
01:29:31,718 --> 01:29:35,876
plus years. Needs to comply. But this one can't. There

1257
01:29:35,876 --> 01:29:39,356
has to be one rule for the whole district so

1258
01:29:39,356 --> 01:29:46,495
that it's equitable. And. It's unfortunate that. It's going to

1259
01:29:46,495 --> 01:29:49,140
work out. For some, maybe not for others, but there's

1260
01:29:49,140 --> 01:29:53,276
always a workaround. There's ways we worked with the legion

1261
01:29:53,276 --> 01:29:55,956
to come up with a sign that fit the heritage

1262
01:29:55,956 --> 01:29:59,916
district. We can work around these things in other situations.

1263
01:30:01,186 --> 01:30:03,066
We're getting into a back and forth here. I'm sorry.

1264
01:30:05,337 --> 01:30:08,182
I just wanted to put my point out there. Okay,

1265
01:30:08,182 --> 01:30:11,662
we've got a motion moved and seconded. Council, could you

1266
01:30:11,662 --> 01:30:18,662
read that back? To the please. That the sign bylaw

1267
01:30:18,662 --> 01:30:22,942
be amended to include the following provisions. One, all signs

1268
01:30:22,942 --> 01:30:25,902
must be compliant with the Accessibility for Ontarians with Disabilities

1269
01:30:25,902 --> 01:30:30,102
Act, AODA, two signs must be placed entirely on the

1270
01:30:30,102 --> 01:30:33,302
property of the individual or entity displaying the sign. Three.

1271
01:30:37,456 --> 01:30:39,576
In cases where signs are not placed on the owner's

1272
01:30:39,576 --> 01:30:42,736
property, the fees shall be charged. To offset the cost

1273
01:30:42,736 --> 01:30:47,906
of application processing, inspections, and potential enforcement actions. Four. The

1274
01:30:47,906 --> 01:30:50,826
current restriction on the duration of time assign may be

1275
01:30:50,826 --> 01:30:58,923
displayed, shall be removed. Okay. All those in favor of.

1276
01:31:00,557 --> 01:31:10,243
On a recorded vote. Councilor O'Lear, how do you vote?

1277
01:31:10,243 --> 01:31:19,499
Support councilor Courtney. Post councilor crane support deputy mayor Gibb.

1278
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:31,901
Councilor macarthur. Opposed, councilor puge. Mayor Pru, it comes down

1279
01:31:31,901 --> 01:31:34,021
to me again. No, I said I think this is

1280
01:31:34,021 --> 01:31:35,981
a better. Motion. I'm going to vote for it. We

1281
01:31:35,981 --> 01:31:40,261
have to have a signed bylaw this one will satisfy

1282
01:31:40,261 --> 01:31:45,837
90% of the people. And whether they recognize it at

1283
01:31:45,837 --> 01:31:49,037
this point, they will soon find that this is solved

1284
01:31:49,037 --> 01:31:51,517
almost all the problems motion, so I'm going to support

1285
01:31:51,517 --> 01:31:54,239
it. Motion carries.

1286
01:32:03,399 --> 01:32:07,479
Okay, we're on to reports. Infrastructure services, tower and chip

1287
01:32:07,479 --> 01:32:17,387
program 14.1. Councilor o'lear. O'Leary support staff

1288
01:32:17,387 --> 01:32:22,467
recommendation. Okay, moving the staff recommendation seconded by deputy mayor.

1289
01:32:22,467 --> 01:32:28,830
Any discussion? All those in favor? Opposed? That's carried. Okay.

1290
01:32:28,830 --> 01:32:35,163
14.2. Off road vehicle and golf cart prohibition signage. Councilor

1291
01:32:35,163 --> 01:32:40,152
Allair. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Through you, probably

1292
01:32:40,152 --> 01:32:46,860
to my bylaw officer that ran away. Unfortunate. A few

1293
01:32:46,860 --> 01:32:51,340
questions today. The Canada Day golf cart. Do the residents

1294
01:32:51,340 --> 01:32:54,700
know there is an associated fee with this event. And

1295
01:32:54,700 --> 01:32:58,420
did they request for it to be waived? And unfortunately,

1296
01:32:58,420 --> 01:33:02,243
my bylaw officer. Did. Is he on his way? I'm

1297
01:33:02,243 --> 01:33:07,336
so sorry. Yeah. 14.2.

1298
01:33:14,078 --> 01:33:19,924
I approved it. Through your worship. The question was whether

1299
01:33:19,924 --> 01:33:24,011
or not. The fee that would be charged for the

1300
01:33:24,011 --> 01:33:31,782
special event and whether they've been informed of that. Sorry,

1301
01:33:31,782 --> 01:33:33,502
I was just getting caught up on the question. Yes,

1302
01:33:33,502 --> 01:33:37,449
I did have a conversation. I did make them aware

1303
01:33:37,449 --> 01:33:40,529
of the road closure fee, and they were okay with

1304
01:33:40,529 --> 01:33:42,249
paying it or did they ask for it to be

1305
01:33:42,249 --> 01:33:44,729
waived? They did not ask for it to be waived.

1306
01:33:44,729 --> 01:33:47,249
I did advise them of that fee, and there was

1307
01:33:47,249 --> 01:33:51,279
no comment after that. Okay, wonderful. And then it says,

1308
01:33:51,279 --> 01:33:54,279
only when municipalities permit the use of golf carts and

1309
01:33:54,279 --> 01:33:57,599
off road vehicles would signage be required. It has been

1310
01:33:57,599 --> 01:34:00,039
approved that golf carts are now allowed on Bobble island.

1311
01:34:00,039 --> 01:34:03,119
Yesterday thanks to the Rivertown Times for their amazing reporting.

1312
01:34:05,330 --> 01:34:11,732
Do we need signs now? Through your worship. The change

1313
01:34:11,732 --> 01:34:16,397
to the HTA to include the town. In the regulation

1314
01:34:16,397 --> 01:34:18,997
as part of the pilot project for golf cars on

1315
01:34:18,997 --> 01:34:23,117
Bablo island allows for the permissibility of golf cars in

1316
01:34:23,117 --> 01:34:25,557
that area. Generally what you would do is on the

1317
01:34:25,557 --> 01:34:28,037
outskirts of that area, you would sign to indicate when

1318
01:34:28,037 --> 01:34:31,117
you're leaving that area as it is on an island

1319
01:34:31,117 --> 01:34:34,677
itself. We don't have necessarily that same concern as there's.

1320
01:34:34,677 --> 01:34:42,829
Nowhere to drive. To. Councilor crane. Thank you, worship. Thanks

1321
01:34:42,829 --> 01:34:46,229
to staff for this report. I believe it outlines a

1322
01:34:46,229 --> 01:34:52,277
lot of the concerns. That were raised. And one in

1323
01:34:52,277 --> 01:34:58,820
particular is. By. Placing signage. Prohibiting off road vehicles and

1324
01:34:58,820 --> 01:35:05,799
golf carts in one specific location. May actually be counterintuitive

1325
01:35:05,799 --> 01:35:09,351
because. Those that are using those vehicles in other locations

1326
01:35:09,351 --> 01:35:12,071
and do not see a sign may assume that they're

1327
01:35:12,071 --> 01:35:18,225
allowed to use it. So putting it in one area,

1328
01:35:18,225 --> 01:35:20,545
others may assume they could use it in others. So

1329
01:35:20,545 --> 01:35:24,968
I think that's very important for us to consider. And

1330
01:35:24,968 --> 01:35:27,288
I really think it's a matter of residents in that

1331
01:35:27,288 --> 01:35:31,633
area continuing to report. The use of it to the

1332
01:35:31,633 --> 01:35:35,053
Windsor police. And that's really how I think this could

1333
01:35:35,053 --> 01:35:44,015
be addressed. Councilor Courtney. Appropriate time, Mr. Mayor. No time

1334
01:35:44,015 --> 01:35:53,609
like the present. So, Mr. Mayor.

1335
01:35:57,611 --> 01:35:59,691
Through YouTube. I'm not sure if the police is on.

1336
01:36:02,016 --> 01:36:06,211
Or was it Eric that would answer the question. What

1337
01:36:06,211 --> 01:36:15,813
is the difference between. Regulatory and warning signs. For the

1338
01:36:15,813 --> 01:36:23,176
traffic act. Yeah, through you, your worship. Members of council,

1339
01:36:23,176 --> 01:36:29,598
regulatory signs are signs that are enforceable through. The highway

1340
01:36:29,598 --> 01:36:34,749
traffic act. And they regulate. Parking, speed limit signs. They're

1341
01:36:34,749 --> 01:36:41,232
all kind of like that. White background. With the regulations

1342
01:36:41,232 --> 01:36:45,845
sort of signs, your stop signs. Warning signs are used

1343
01:36:45,845 --> 01:36:54,891
to warn. Drivers. Of the impending issue ahead. It could

1344
01:36:54,891 --> 01:36:58,691
be intersection ahead. It could be a dead end street.

1345
01:36:58,691 --> 01:37:06,632
It's all just more. Advising. The drivers of. The situation

1346
01:37:06,632 --> 01:37:10,677
that's going to occur ahead. So thank you for that.

1347
01:37:10,677 --> 01:37:15,445
So with all the letters that were sent out, And

1348
01:37:15,445 --> 01:37:22,452
the educational program regarding. The illegal use of golf carts

1349
01:37:22,452 --> 01:37:27,219
in the Willow Beach Lakewood beach area. Do you think?

1350
01:37:29,441 --> 01:37:33,241
That it is okay not to have any signage whatsoever

1351
01:37:33,241 --> 01:37:36,298
in that area. Or am I putting you on the

1352
01:37:36,298 --> 01:37:45,499
spot? Through you. You're worshipping members council. Again. I would

1353
01:37:45,499 --> 01:37:50,515
suggest that right now, with no signs. It is use

1354
01:37:50,515 --> 01:37:54,275
of ATV. The golf carts are prohibited in the majority

1355
01:37:54,275 --> 01:38:02,047
of the municipality. Same except now, Pablo. But, yeah, again,

1356
01:38:02,047 --> 01:38:06,599
it's just like. Our heavy truck routes. We do have

1357
01:38:06,599 --> 01:38:11,504
routes where heavy trucks are allowed. We did sign. The

1358
01:38:11,504 --> 01:38:15,264
streets that are budding the truck route as no truck

1359
01:38:15,264 --> 01:38:21,979
traffic. We did not. Blankets. The no. Truck traffic throughout

1360
01:38:21,979 --> 01:38:24,379
the township, meaning that all the rest of the roads.

1361
01:38:26,042 --> 01:38:30,499
Are. Not permissible of heavy trucks. Obviously, if a truck

1362
01:38:30,499 --> 01:38:34,579
is required business in the area, they can travel. But

1363
01:38:34,579 --> 01:38:38,413
again, it's one of those ones that. You want to

1364
01:38:38,413 --> 01:38:41,293
be consistent in use and you don't want to then

1365
01:38:41,293 --> 01:38:46,015
blanket the whole township. With no ATV and golf cart

1366
01:38:46,015 --> 01:38:50,610
signs, you want to be kind of consistent. And more

1367
01:38:50,610 --> 01:38:53,970
focused on where you're allowing those sort of units to

1368
01:38:53,970 --> 01:38:58,290
be driven versus blanketing because, again, we would be putting

1369
01:38:58,290 --> 01:39:02,516
these signs up throughout the whole. So you'd be limited

1370
01:39:02,516 --> 01:39:06,776
or forced to do more. Basically, I don't think any

1371
01:39:06,776 --> 01:39:11,256
of council ever received any complaints about the illegal use

1372
01:39:11,256 --> 01:39:15,056
of. Golf carts anyplace else. So it was just, and

1373
01:39:15,056 --> 01:39:18,256
the letters were just focused in that. Area. So if

1374
01:39:18,256 --> 01:39:24,984
we don't put up any signs. The police still have

1375
01:39:24,984 --> 01:39:30,776
the option. To give notice and charge them if they

1376
01:39:30,776 --> 01:39:35,491
see fit or it's up to their discretion. Correct. So.

1377
01:39:36,890 --> 01:39:40,472
We don't really need signs in that area. That's correct.

1378
01:39:40,472 --> 01:39:44,312
That's what I'm suggesting to council. Yes, recommending. Thank you.

1379
01:39:52,733 --> 01:39:55,093
Mr. Mayor, I would like to move if I can

1380
01:39:55,093 --> 01:39:58,180
get a second, and I'll speak. To it briefly. That

1381
01:39:58,180 --> 01:40:01,180
the report entitled off road vehicle and golf cart prohibition

1382
01:40:01,180 --> 01:40:04,980
signage be received for information number two. The following events

1383
01:40:04,980 --> 01:40:08,740
be approved a golf cart, parade, residence a bar point

1384
01:40:08,740 --> 01:40:13,340
on Saturday, June 28, same time as 1230 to 130

1385
01:40:13,340 --> 01:40:18,086
with a rain date of June 29, same time. An

1386
01:40:18,086 --> 01:40:20,806
exemption from the number three. An exemption from table number

1387
01:40:20,806 --> 01:40:26,107
three. One, subsection two, or whatever of noise bylaw number

1388
01:40:26,107 --> 01:40:29,627
2000 and 143 with respect to the operation of any

1389
01:40:29,627 --> 01:40:33,707
electronic device or group of connected electronic devices incorporating one

1390
01:40:33,707 --> 01:40:36,147
or more loudspeakers. To allow for music be granted for

1391
01:40:36,147 --> 01:40:39,867
the following events. Again, a the golf cart parade, residents

1392
01:40:39,867 --> 01:40:43,401
of bar point number four, consent be. Granted for a

1393
01:40:43,401 --> 01:40:46,401
road closure in relation to the 2025 golf cart parade

1394
01:40:46,401 --> 01:40:49,081
initiated by the residents. Of bar point. And number five,

1395
01:40:49,081 --> 01:40:52,121
the special events resource team Butte directed to confirm that

1396
01:40:52,121 --> 01:40:55,281
the requirements identified by the team are met prior to

1397
01:40:55,281 --> 01:41:04,179
the event taking place. So real fast, I got to

1398
01:41:04,179 --> 01:41:07,859
give some props to our staff. And if this council

1399
01:41:07,859 --> 01:41:12,684
does approve, this thank you to you guys. Again. Golf

1400
01:41:12,684 --> 01:41:16,161
carts is the tenacious. Topic or whatever, it's not going

1401
01:41:16,161 --> 01:41:19,253
to happen in this area, but. I've lived out in

1402
01:41:19,253 --> 01:41:20,933
this area and I've watched this parade happen the last

1403
01:41:20,933 --> 01:41:23,053
few years. It has always been done in a very

1404
01:41:23,053 --> 01:41:27,023
safe manner. It's organized. And for this to happen this

1405
01:41:27,023 --> 01:41:29,943
year, knowing that there's legalities to it, I just. Want

1406
01:41:29,943 --> 01:41:31,983
to call out. I want to thank Melissa Osborne. I

1407
01:41:31,983 --> 01:41:35,725
reached out to her right away once I. Had some

1408
01:41:35,725 --> 01:41:37,405
fellow neighbors reach out to me saying, what needs to

1409
01:41:37,405 --> 01:41:41,763
happen. Staff Sergeant Brian Hayes was also very helpful. Bill

1410
01:41:41,763 --> 01:41:44,963
Tetler really jumped on and to assist me with this,

1411
01:41:44,963 --> 01:41:47,163
and Kevin Fox has always got his hands into all

1412
01:41:47,163 --> 01:41:51,279
these little. Things that pop up. And if I'm missing

1413
01:41:51,279 --> 01:41:53,319
anyone, and obviously to the Cert team, because I had

1414
01:41:53,319 --> 01:41:57,215
to. Come before them, and so. We're crossing the t's

1415
01:41:57,215 --> 01:41:58,935
dot in the ice here just to counsel, but it

1416
01:41:58,935 --> 01:42:01,495
was because of our staff that were able to fast

1417
01:42:01,495 --> 01:42:04,215
track to get this present for tonight's. Agenda. I just

1418
01:42:04,215 --> 01:42:08,879
want to thank you guys, and again. That's how we

1419
01:42:08,879 --> 01:42:15,186
all came to be. Who else? And Eric. Of course.

1420
01:42:15,186 --> 01:42:18,209
Eric. Thank you. See? There you are. You should be

1421
01:42:18,209 --> 01:42:18,249
here.

1422
01:42:57,473 --> 01:43:06,489
One is Heritage conservation district plan adoption. Questions. Councilor crane.

1423
01:43:10,746 --> 01:43:14,730
Not a question, but I'll move it. Seconded by deputy

1424
01:43:14,730 --> 01:43:22,151
mayor discussions, questions. Councilor puge. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1425
01:43:25,423 --> 01:43:29,898
In light of what just happened with the businesses. I

1426
01:43:29,898 --> 01:43:38,050
support. A heritage conservation district. In order that people cannot

1427
01:43:38,050 --> 01:43:46,242
tear down their houses and build something. Unreasonable. However, after

1428
01:43:46,242 --> 01:43:50,557
what just happened here. I was going to make a

1429
01:43:50,557 --> 01:43:55,557
motion to defer until. A public open mic session is

1430
01:43:55,557 --> 01:44:02,087
permitted to address our resident's concerns. The proposed heritage conservation

1431
01:44:02,087 --> 01:44:06,732
area is too ambiguous. There are not enough details concerning

1432
01:44:06,732 --> 01:44:12,555
the restrictions on homes and businesses in that district. There

1433
01:44:12,555 --> 01:44:18,015
was insufficient participation to change such a large area. To

1434
01:44:18,015 --> 01:44:22,255
be designated as heritage. I believe there were only 88

1435
01:44:22,255 --> 01:44:28,875
people. That responded. That aren't even aware of this. It

1436
01:44:28,875 --> 01:44:32,284
is quite obvious. The general public is not aware how

1437
01:44:32,284 --> 01:44:36,844
this program could impact our resident's ability to sell their

1438
01:44:36,844 --> 01:44:41,164
homes or reconstruct or repair the outside of their homes

1439
01:44:41,164 --> 01:44:48,541
or businesses. There is no definitive financial incentive that administration

1440
01:44:48,541 --> 01:44:52,581
is using as a selling point. For the past ten

1441
01:44:52,581 --> 01:44:56,741
years or more. The town of Amherstburg has assured their

1442
01:44:56,741 --> 01:45:01,461
taxpayers that the Bellevue would be restored to the original.

1443
01:45:03,599 --> 01:45:07,931
Lori the building of two hotels were imminent. Build a

1444
01:45:07,931 --> 01:45:11,691
new pool and baseball diamonds with a 2.4 million from

1445
01:45:11,691 --> 01:45:16,051
the sale of south portion of Centennial park to the

1446
01:45:16,051 --> 01:45:20,931
school board. The centennial park would be fully restored. The

1447
01:45:20,931 --> 01:45:26,237
Duffy's. Property would be. A beautiful extension of Kingston Aviard

1448
01:45:26,237 --> 01:45:30,677
park, there would be. A transient marina. We would pursue

1449
01:45:30,677 --> 01:45:34,397
a boat ramp at Rantap park. There would be no

1450
01:45:34,397 --> 01:45:41,154
tax increases. But there was 10% increase in two years.

1451
01:45:41,154 --> 01:45:45,754
So many promises that never materialize. So why? Would our

1452
01:45:45,754 --> 01:45:48,834
residents even believe we were going to pass this tonight?

1453
01:45:50,394 --> 01:45:54,374
So. I can't. I don't know what your motion at

1454
01:45:54,374 --> 01:45:57,412
this time. You're just saying you're not voting for it.

1455
01:45:57,412 --> 01:46:02,892
Okay. No motion against it all. Right. Any other discussion.

1456
01:46:04,643 --> 01:46:06,323
This is on the heritage this is on the Heritage

1457
01:46:06,323 --> 01:46:15,256
conservation district. Okay. Deputy mayor. I'll speak to it as

1458
01:46:15,256 --> 01:46:19,376
a member of the Heritage committee with councilor. Crane. We've

1459
01:46:19,376 --> 01:46:23,706
been working on this for two years now. There has

1460
01:46:23,706 --> 01:46:29,803
been multiple open houses. There has been. Mailings to the

1461
01:46:29,803 --> 01:46:34,498
residents in the district. What is our vision is preserving

1462
01:46:34,498 --> 01:46:41,148
our past while forging our future. This. Is exactly fitting

1463
01:46:41,148 --> 01:46:47,711
that vision. We have an incredibly historic downtown. And region

1464
01:46:47,711 --> 01:46:50,671
around there. And the only way we're going to preserve

1465
01:46:50,671 --> 01:46:54,436
it is to have a heritage district. And I'm sure

1466
01:46:54,436 --> 01:46:57,036
the heritage planner will correct me if I'm wrong, but

1467
01:46:57,036 --> 01:47:01,889
I believe as of December 31, 2025, We won't even

1468
01:47:01,889 --> 01:47:04,449
have a properties of interest list anymore if we don't

1469
01:47:04,449 --> 01:47:10,016
pursue this. Is that correct? That is December 31.

1470
01:47:11,023 --> 01:47:18,398
Stoing. And I like what it says in the report.

1471
01:47:18,398 --> 01:47:21,678
Without a heritage conservation district plan, the town and the

1472
01:47:21,678 --> 01:47:25,078
community will have no ability to guide the look of

1473
01:47:25,078 --> 01:47:30,405
developments in the historic core of amnesburg. We've seen examples,

1474
01:47:30,405 --> 01:47:34,885
time after time, of homes that just didn't fit, and

1475
01:47:34,885 --> 01:47:37,405
now. We're going to be able to at least guide

1476
01:47:37,405 --> 01:47:40,405
what our community looks like for the next 25, 50,

1477
01:47:40,405 --> 01:47:47,126
75 years. So being that we are. At the literal

1478
01:47:47,126 --> 01:47:50,661
last hour. We have to go ahead with this. I

1479
01:47:50,661 --> 01:47:54,141
fully support it, and I think in years in the

1480
01:47:54,141 --> 01:47:58,654
future. We will be commended for saving what Amhersburg looks

1481
01:47:58,654 --> 01:48:04,749
like. Okay, councilor Crane and then councilor MacArthur. And I

1482
01:48:04,749 --> 01:48:07,469
got me down to speak, too. Yes. Thank you. I

1483
01:48:07,469 --> 01:48:11,429
will probably be supporting it. The heritage committee supported the

1484
01:48:11,429 --> 01:48:16,681
plan. It has, I believe, failed with other past counsel.

1485
01:48:16,681 --> 01:48:19,321
So this has been something that has been before. An

1486
01:48:19,321 --> 01:48:23,821
assembly in this same building for many, many years. And

1487
01:48:23,821 --> 01:48:28,049
it serves a purpose. It helps protect. The buildings that

1488
01:48:28,049 --> 01:48:31,729
we have, and I think with a strong educational campaign

1489
01:48:31,729 --> 01:48:36,019
that staff have set up. Already. It's going to send

1490
01:48:36,019 --> 01:48:39,379
a message, a clear message to residents that it's not

1491
01:48:39,379 --> 01:48:43,752
as restrictive. As it may seem when you think of

1492
01:48:43,752 --> 01:48:47,792
designation, there's a lot of exemptions throughout. The plan that

1493
01:48:47,792 --> 01:48:50,872
residents can take advantage of to enhance their property in

1494
01:48:50,872 --> 01:48:53,952
the rear yard, the front yard. It doesn't have any

1495
01:48:53,952 --> 01:48:58,032
restriction on interior spaces, so I think it was very

1496
01:48:58,032 --> 01:49:04,003
well. Thought out. Excellent job to. The design company that

1497
01:49:04,003 --> 01:49:07,123
we contracted to create it, and I'm hoping that it

1498
01:49:07,123 --> 01:49:17,107
passes tonight. I had council. Mccarthy next. I'm

1499
01:49:17,107 --> 01:49:20,147
going to support this. It's been a long and interesting

1500
01:49:20,147 --> 01:49:23,227
process, so thank you to staff for pulling it all

1501
01:49:23,227 --> 01:49:31,200
together. One of the things that's really striking. When you

1502
01:49:31,200 --> 01:49:33,480
read through this is just how much history and heritage

1503
01:49:33,480 --> 01:49:37,702
we have here. To protect despite all that's been lost

1504
01:49:37,702 --> 01:49:39,942
because we didn't have this in place. Before, but the

1505
01:49:39,942 --> 01:49:44,062
Ontario Heritage act requires that you have at least 25%

1506
01:49:44,062 --> 01:49:47,342
of the properties must contribute to the character in order

1507
01:49:47,342 --> 01:49:51,142
to create a heritage conservation district in Amherstburg. Like the

1508
01:49:51,142 --> 01:49:54,502
number has more than double that. It's 63%. Like there's

1509
01:49:54,502 --> 01:49:57,475
a whispering history in. Our streets. I mean, I go

1510
01:49:57,475 --> 01:50:00,155
for walks all the time. It's everywhere all the time.

1511
01:50:00,155 --> 01:50:03,435
It's ever present, and it's something that attracts people to

1512
01:50:03,435 --> 01:50:05,875
live here, and it's something that is going to attract

1513
01:50:05,875 --> 01:50:09,008
people to keep visiting here. I've said it before. When

1514
01:50:09,008 --> 01:50:11,808
it comes to economic development, our history is our future.

1515
01:50:13,410 --> 01:50:17,342
And I think by passing this, we embrace it. We

1516
01:50:17,342 --> 01:50:20,582
invest in it. We put some certainty around it. And

1517
01:50:20,582 --> 01:50:23,862
the province isn't our friend. When it comes to protecting

1518
01:50:23,862 --> 01:50:29,521
history and heritage. The deputy mayor talked about it. We've

1519
01:50:29,521 --> 01:50:31,521
lost sort of, Bill 23. It's taken away our ability

1520
01:50:31,521 --> 01:50:36,569
to provide influence. Input and influence development. And at risk

1521
01:50:36,569 --> 01:50:39,289
if we don't pass this are 106 properties of interest.

1522
01:50:40,857 --> 01:50:43,817
And there's another 79 properties that are under consideration to

1523
01:50:43,817 --> 01:50:46,737
be properties of interest. And we don't have the staff,

1524
01:50:46,737 --> 01:50:48,657
we don't have the resources, and we don't. Have the

1525
01:50:48,657 --> 01:50:54,080
time. To run around before the deadline and protect what

1526
01:50:54,080 --> 01:50:56,560
needs to be protected. And once a building is gone.

1527
01:50:58,815 --> 01:51:00,935
It's gone. And all that is left are the memories.

1528
01:51:00,935 --> 01:51:04,135
And people aren't going to come here for memories. They're

1529
01:51:04,135 --> 01:51:07,579
going to come here for experiences. And our heritage, general

1530
01:51:07,579 --> 01:51:12,897
history. Can provide that. So. I just want to talk

1531
01:51:12,897 --> 01:51:16,391
quickly. I mean, it's very important. It was a good

1532
01:51:16,391 --> 01:51:19,434
public meeting we had because we sort of. Heard some

1533
01:51:19,434 --> 01:51:22,994
both sides of the issues, some misconceptions were raised, and

1534
01:51:22,994 --> 01:51:25,834
I do think it's very important, like councilor cranes talked

1535
01:51:25,834 --> 01:51:30,779
about. To have an engagement campaign so people know what

1536
01:51:30,779 --> 01:51:33,659
it means. But in terms of property owner benefits, there

1537
01:51:33,659 --> 01:51:37,979
are some restrictions on them, it's true, but there's restriction

1538
01:51:37,979 --> 01:51:40,619
on them for the past year, and there was very

1539
01:51:40,619 --> 01:51:47,254
little friction. And there are some benefits. There's increased property

1540
01:51:47,254 --> 01:51:50,614
values, there's clarity for property owners, and there's a defined

1541
01:51:50,614 --> 01:51:53,254
and structured planning process with a department that's willing to

1542
01:51:53,254 --> 01:51:58,026
listen. There's the enhanced aesthetic peel of the entire neighborhood,

1543
01:51:58,026 --> 01:52:00,826
and there's the ability to apply for heritage rebates to

1544
01:52:00,826 --> 01:52:03,586
offset renovation costs, and that's part of this motion. To

1545
01:52:03,586 --> 01:52:08,952
bring back a report about how. The people. Who are

1546
01:52:08,952 --> 01:52:13,242
living in. This HCD can avail themselves of government grants

1547
01:52:13,242 --> 01:52:18,604
to beautify their home. So. It's not all stick. There's

1548
01:52:18,604 --> 01:52:22,004
a little bit of carrot. And in terms of community

1549
01:52:22,004 --> 01:52:25,884
benefits. I've spoken about it. Tourism and economic development, cultural

1550
01:52:25,884 --> 01:52:28,684
identity and pride. When all the work that we do

1551
01:52:28,684 --> 01:52:31,324
when we engage with stakeholders, what do they tell us

1552
01:52:31,324 --> 01:52:34,204
they love about Amherstburg. They love the waterfront, and they

1553
01:52:34,204 --> 01:52:36,783
love the history and the heritage. And this is going

1554
01:52:36,783 --> 01:52:39,703
to preserve it and as sustainable development as well. Instead

1555
01:52:39,703 --> 01:52:42,703
of tearing something down. You come up with an adaptive

1556
01:52:42,703 --> 01:52:46,023
reuse and you can see that happening downtown. Look at

1557
01:52:46,023 --> 01:52:49,423
hotel story in the yo, look at river bookshop. I

1558
01:52:49,423 --> 01:52:52,703
mean, buildings that maybe once would have been condemned. They're

1559
01:52:52,703 --> 01:52:56,871
now shining lights that are attracting people here, so. For

1560
01:52:56,871 --> 01:53:00,431
all of those reasons, I think it's great for Amherstburg,

1561
01:53:00,431 --> 01:53:03,999
and I'm going to support it. And Pastor Gavo. I

1562
01:53:03,999 --> 01:53:07,279
have myself down next. I'm absolutely going to support this

1563
01:53:07,279 --> 01:53:10,719
couple. Of reasons. But first of all, Councilor Peuge said

1564
01:53:10,719 --> 01:53:13,279
that there wasn't a meeting. Or that she wants an

1565
01:53:13,279 --> 01:53:17,919
open mic meeting. We had a statutory public meeting under

1566
01:53:17,919 --> 01:53:23,235
law before we got this far. And it was held.

1567
01:53:24,570 --> 01:53:27,210
And everybody who had an opportunity to speak would come

1568
01:53:27,210 --> 01:53:29,450
out and speak to it. We heard them. Speak just

1569
01:53:29,450 --> 01:53:31,970
a few weeks ago, and that was the meeting that

1570
01:53:31,970 --> 01:53:35,977
is required by law, and it was conducted. When I

1571
01:53:35,977 --> 01:53:41,248
moved to this town. 1516 years ago. Now, I found

1572
01:53:41,248 --> 01:53:44,168
out about the heritage district, and I found out that

1573
01:53:44,168 --> 01:53:48,622
the heritage district at that point. Had been in the

1574
01:53:48,622 --> 01:53:53,565
works for 31 years. It's now 47 years that this

1575
01:53:53,565 --> 01:53:56,405
idea has been floating around out there with people trying

1576
01:53:56,405 --> 01:53:59,950
to do something about it. And I want to thank

1577
01:53:59,950 --> 01:54:03,768
the staff. Members of this council for finally getting their

1578
01:54:03,768 --> 01:54:06,568
head around this, and I know it's difficult. And I

1579
01:54:06,568 --> 01:54:09,048
know there are things that people may not like. I

1580
01:54:09,048 --> 01:54:16,107
heard one of them tonight. With the mobile signs. We

1581
01:54:16,107 --> 01:54:18,707
can resolve this. Maybe. But the important thing is to

1582
01:54:18,707 --> 01:54:22,547
go forward with this heritage district now. And do it.

1583
01:54:24,789 --> 01:54:27,389
Before the laws get changed. The reason, the impetus for

1584
01:54:27,389 --> 01:54:31,429
all of this, the reason there's so much impetus here

1585
01:54:31,429 --> 01:54:35,309
is because Premier Ford and his wisdom took away our

1586
01:54:35,309 --> 01:54:38,869
rights to protect our heritage unless we acted swiftly. And

1587
01:54:38,869 --> 01:54:42,429
remember, we all put in this council and other councils

1588
01:54:42,429 --> 01:54:45,953
across Ontario. Put in a request. Because the time frame

1589
01:54:45,953 --> 01:54:49,513
was so ridiculous, they extended it for another year to

1590
01:54:49,513 --> 01:54:53,090
allow us the time to do it right. I want

1591
01:54:53,090 --> 01:54:55,810
to protect the history because this is a unique town.

1592
01:54:57,418 --> 01:55:00,858
This is absolutely a unique place. How many other places?

1593
01:55:01,954 --> 01:55:05,823
Were the scenes. Of the War of 1812. I mean,

1594
01:55:05,823 --> 01:55:09,343
there's eight or ten in Canada, but how many? More

1595
01:55:09,343 --> 01:55:13,263
were the scenes of the rebellion of 1837 to 39.

1596
01:55:15,047 --> 01:55:19,007
And this took place in Amherstburg, especially on Bablo island

1597
01:55:19,007 --> 01:55:23,370
at the south end, where the Americans were captured. Putting

1598
01:55:23,370 --> 01:55:28,330
chains brought before a magistrate and deported to Tasmania. How

1599
01:55:28,330 --> 01:55:31,849
many know that history? I don't know how you deport

1600
01:55:31,849 --> 01:55:35,009
somebody for being a traitor when they're. Not even from

1601
01:55:35,009 --> 01:55:37,889
the country. But that's what happened to those poor souls.

1602
01:55:39,769 --> 01:55:42,489
Who would ever forget the escaping slaves from the United

1603
01:55:42,489 --> 01:55:47,009
States who made their way through the most horrendous circumstances

1604
01:55:47,009 --> 01:55:51,129
and found freedom first place in Amherstburg. They came across

1605
01:55:51,129 --> 01:55:55,369
the river. Varied by Quakers and abolitionists, who then helped

1606
01:55:55,369 --> 01:55:58,929
them build houses in the downtown core. A lot of

1607
01:55:58,929 --> 01:56:02,466
those houses. That we're trying to protect. Are those same

1608
01:56:02,466 --> 01:56:04,986
homes. And I don't know whether any of you have

1609
01:56:04,986 --> 01:56:07,346
ever had a chance to go to places like Atlanta,

1610
01:56:07,346 --> 01:56:11,499
Georgia, where. They have plaque in front of each one

1611
01:56:11,499 --> 01:56:15,579
of the house, houses what families grew up there, including

1612
01:56:15,579 --> 01:56:20,642
Martin Luther King, Jr. And who lived in that house.

1613
01:56:21,733 --> 01:56:24,628
And what they did and what the occupation was. And

1614
01:56:24,628 --> 01:56:27,868
how they prospered, and I think we need to start

1615
01:56:27,868 --> 01:56:32,062
doing that same thing. We could organize tours of the

1616
01:56:32,062 --> 01:56:35,542
downtown core. We could have the miracle mile all the

1617
01:56:35,542 --> 01:56:40,487
way. From the fort over to Bellevue. I hope and.

1618
01:56:42,164 --> 01:56:44,764
But all up into the districts and the old houses

1619
01:56:44,764 --> 01:56:47,284
and who lived there and who built the town. There's

1620
01:56:47,284 --> 01:56:50,324
some real heroes here. We saw a young lad here

1621
01:56:50,324 --> 01:56:55,682
tonight. There's a hero. But we've had heroes for centuries,

1622
01:56:55,682 --> 01:56:58,362
and we need to immortalize them, and this is going

1623
01:56:58,362 --> 01:57:03,097
to help. I am so happy. I hope this passes.

1624
01:57:03,097 --> 01:57:06,211
I am so happy. And we should not stand in

1625
01:57:06,211 --> 01:57:10,011
the way of the preservation of our history. We all

1626
01:57:10,011 --> 01:57:13,860
made a vow as the deputy mayor. Read it off

1627
01:57:13,860 --> 01:57:19,006
there, preserving our past. And moving forward with our future.

1628
01:57:19,006 --> 01:57:22,871
This is our future. And I proudly put my name

1629
01:57:22,871 --> 01:57:27,125
to it and. I will ask for a recorded vote.

1630
01:57:28,590 --> 01:57:32,488
I'll take the gavel back. Yes, I've got the gavel

1631
01:57:32,488 --> 01:57:40,696
back. Courtney, council of Courtney. Thank you. I'll be quick.

1632
01:57:40,696 --> 01:57:42,696
Not as long as the mayor is. This is kind

1633
01:57:42,696 --> 01:57:46,903
of an important. This is something that you got to

1634
01:57:46,903 --> 01:57:48,783
speak to. It. It's been in the makings. Like you

1635
01:57:48,783 --> 01:57:52,303
said, for decades. We hired a heritage planner. Adam, thank

1636
01:57:52,303 --> 01:57:56,683
you for spearheading this. And leading this. Doug Ford is

1637
01:57:56,683 --> 01:57:59,817
the reason why I'm going to push this through. There's

1638
01:57:59,817 --> 01:58:01,897
a lot of uncertainty and there's some scares, but a

1639
01:58:01,897 --> 01:58:05,617
lot of them they were validated about what's going to

1640
01:58:05,617 --> 01:58:07,657
happen. So I envisioned myself, if I live in the

1641
01:58:07,657 --> 01:58:10,777
heritage district. Would I be offended by it? Would I

1642
01:58:10,777 --> 01:58:12,937
be scared by it? Yeah. There's going to be some

1643
01:58:12,937 --> 01:58:16,777
apprehension. But overall, what I heard at that public meeting

1644
01:58:16,777 --> 01:58:18,977
eased my mind on a lot of those things because

1645
01:58:18,977 --> 01:58:23,631
it was a lot of. Fiction, not fact. So the

1646
01:58:23,631 --> 01:58:27,187
way it was explained, I will fully support. This Doug

1647
01:58:27,187 --> 01:58:31,627
Ford. Some of the people delegates concerns about having side

1648
01:58:31,627 --> 01:58:34,787
splits in contemporary homes next to their historical gingerbread house

1649
01:58:34,787 --> 01:58:37,947
and three stories high, and it's wrecking their neighborhood. Yeah.

1650
01:58:37,947 --> 01:58:40,027
Because we don't have a historical district, and so now

1651
01:58:40,027 --> 01:58:43,947
we do. This will stop that. Erosion of our downtown

1652
01:58:43,947 --> 01:58:46,267
core. It'll protect what we've got and maintain it so.

1653
01:58:46,267 --> 01:58:48,672
I think. It's very important because Doug Ford doesn't care

1654
01:58:48,672 --> 01:58:51,512
about history. He doesn't. Care about the town of Amnesburg.

1655
01:58:51,512 --> 01:58:53,712
I'm all for more homes and more choice. But not

1656
01:58:53,712 --> 01:58:56,832
in sensitive areas like our downtown corso. For all those

1657
01:58:56,832 --> 01:59:01,992
reasons, I will be supporting this. Anyone else? And we'll

1658
01:59:01,992 --> 01:59:05,947
call the vote. Mr. Clerk. I moved by councilor Crane,

1659
01:59:05,947 --> 01:59:10,507
seconded by deputy mayor Gibb. That the Amnesburg Heritage District

1660
01:59:10,507 --> 01:59:13,947
plan prepared by MHBC and attached as appendix a, be

1661
01:59:13,947 --> 01:59:18,427
adopted by law 20 25 36, attached as appendix b,

1662
01:59:18,427 --> 01:59:21,787
being a bylaw to designate the heritage Conservation district area

1663
01:59:21,787 --> 01:59:25,109
and adopt the Heritage conservation plan. Be taken as having

1664
01:59:25,109 --> 01:59:27,589
been read three times and finally passed. And the mayor

1665
01:59:27,589 --> 01:59:30,909
and clerk be authorized. To sign. Same by law, 2025.

1666
01:59:32,172 --> 01:59:35,452
Attached as appendix g being a bylaw to delegate authority

1667
01:59:35,452 --> 01:59:38,812
for specified heritage approvals be taken as having misread three

1668
01:59:38,812 --> 01:59:40,972
times and finally passed. And the mayor and clerk be

1669
01:59:40,972 --> 01:59:43,972
authorized to sign same and the following funding be approved

1670
01:59:43,972 --> 01:59:47,532
to register the heritage Conservation District within the HCD area

1671
01:59:47,532 --> 01:59:53,020
planning and studies reserve. 72 at $25,000. An administration be

1672
01:59:53,020 --> 01:59:56,020
directed to repair a report outlining options and alternatives for

1673
01:59:56,020 --> 02:00:00,540
updating the financial incentive programs under the Ontario Heritage act.

1674
02:00:00,540 --> 02:00:07,582
Councilor lair support councilor Courtney. Councilor Crane, support deputy mayor

1675
02:00:07,582 --> 02:00:13,862
Gibb. Support councilor MacArthur. Support councilor puge. And. May approve.

1676
02:00:15,543 --> 02:00:20,042
Support. Motion carries. Okay, which takes us to 16 consent

1677
02:00:20,042 --> 02:00:26,936
correspondence. Ministry of Transportation Golf Cart pilot program. Anyone want

1678
02:00:26,936 --> 02:00:35,810
to speak to this? Okay. Councilor Crane. Thank you, worship.

1679
02:00:35,810 --> 02:00:38,330
This is great news, and thanks to staff for sending

1680
02:00:38,330 --> 02:00:40,650
it in again. It does. Mention that a bylaw has

1681
02:00:40,650 --> 02:00:45,862
to be struck. Is that in the works? We'll come

1682
02:00:45,862 --> 02:00:54,653
to the next meeting. Okay, councilor macarthur. And I imagine

1683
02:00:54,653 --> 02:00:56,253
there'll be a report. There must be some cost to

1684
02:00:56,253 --> 02:00:57,853
this, like we have to put up signs. I would

1685
02:00:57,853 --> 02:01:02,852
think some public education or something. We'll bring back a

1686
02:01:02,852 --> 02:01:06,292
report with the bylaw. There's an application there's. A process

1687
02:01:06,292 --> 02:01:09,572
whereby the golf card itself has to have certain provisions

1688
02:01:09,572 --> 02:01:12,572
based on the regulation. So owners of those golf carts

1689
02:01:12,572 --> 02:01:14,532
would be required to follow those things, and we'll have

1690
02:01:14,532 --> 02:01:17,572
to. Do some public education on that to inform them.

1691
02:01:17,572 --> 02:01:20,892
Those within those spaces have a local business now. That

1692
02:01:20,892 --> 02:01:26,764
serves. Those golf carts and provides those services. So. We're

1693
02:01:26,764 --> 02:01:28,804
available especially well in the town of Amesburg by having

1694
02:01:28,804 --> 02:01:32,364
that locally. So certainly we can work through that and

1695
02:01:32,364 --> 02:01:33,684
try to make sure that all of that's very clear.

1696
02:01:34,861 --> 02:01:38,764
Okay, I think just for the record, The town of

1697
02:01:38,764 --> 02:01:41,644
Lakeshore has already gone through this. I don't think we

1698
02:01:41,644 --> 02:01:43,444
won't. Have to spend a lot of time working on

1699
02:01:43,444 --> 02:01:50,402
this, okay? Councilor Courtney. Mr. Mayor, just one question. We

1700
02:01:50,402 --> 02:01:52,122
were added in the second go round that we didn't

1701
02:01:52,122 --> 02:01:55,334
even know about. Is it. Officially done now. They're not

1702
02:01:55,334 --> 02:02:00,050
accepting any more requests. Or is this still ongoing? My

1703
02:02:00,050 --> 02:02:03,890
understanding is that they took our requests. I suppose I

1704
02:02:03,890 --> 02:02:09,152
would always consider something additional. I haven't heard that. It's

1705
02:02:09,152 --> 02:02:12,512
completely closed, so unless the clerk has heard something. Different.

1706
02:02:12,512 --> 02:02:14,832
But if there was another request, I'm sure they would

1707
02:02:14,832 --> 02:02:18,244
consider it. They considered the two requests we made and

1708
02:02:18,244 --> 02:02:21,004
granted the one. Okay, so I'm going to bring something

1709
02:02:21,004 --> 02:02:22,844
under new business. I think that's probably the appropriate time.

1710
02:02:24,352 --> 02:02:29,872
Mr. Clerk through your worship. I think one of the

1711
02:02:29,872 --> 02:02:32,912
important distinctions that likely was made in the consideration by

1712
02:02:32,912 --> 02:02:36,032
the province was whether or not the local area supported

1713
02:02:36,032 --> 02:02:40,192
it. When we had the letter, from the homeowners association

1714
02:02:40,192 --> 02:02:43,352
on Bablu island. It indicated that there was popular support

1715
02:02:43,352 --> 02:02:47,508
within the area. If there was another area for consideration,

1716
02:02:47,508 --> 02:02:49,908
likely that should be something that's brought forward by. Those

1717
02:02:49,908 --> 02:02:52,428
residents, because that was something that the province wanted to

1718
02:02:52,428 --> 02:02:56,483
see in putting forward that application. You feel confident with

1719
02:02:56,483 --> 02:03:04,211
that? Well, in speaking with MPP Leardi's office, that was

1720
02:03:04,211 --> 02:03:06,651
something that they specifically asked. For whether there was that

1721
02:03:06,651 --> 02:03:09,731
correspondence. So they certainly were looking to see it. I

1722
02:03:09,731 --> 02:03:13,702
can't. Begin to judge. What goes into those calculations? It

1723
02:03:13,702 --> 02:03:17,182
might, simply because it's easier to manage on an island.

1724
02:03:17,182 --> 02:03:19,062
But that was one of the things that was specifically

1725
02:03:19,062 --> 02:03:20,942
asked for, so it would be something that we would

1726
02:03:20,942 --> 02:03:23,742
need in providing any other recommendation. So that's the frustrating

1727
02:03:23,742 --> 02:03:28,022
part. Put it as a condition to submit an area

1728
02:03:28,022 --> 02:03:30,942
specific gated community. I talked to Mr. Mayor about this.

1729
02:03:30,942 --> 02:03:33,484
There's three areas that are pretty. Well, gated communities. A

1730
02:03:33,484 --> 02:03:36,244
gated community where? It's only one way in one way.

1731
02:03:36,244 --> 02:03:38,924
Out realistically, these are terms that the province should have

1732
02:03:38,924 --> 02:03:42,164
actually said. If you have areas specific that explains this

1733
02:03:42,164 --> 02:03:46,534
way. You can put them forward. So it's just Madam

1734
02:03:46,534 --> 02:03:49,734
C, you, worship? Members of council. Certainly, if council wants

1735
02:03:49,734 --> 02:03:52,134
us to. Make another application. We're happy to put that

1736
02:03:52,134 --> 02:03:54,934
forward with whatever information we have, and then the province

1737
02:03:54,934 --> 02:04:00,072
can determine whatever it will determine. I need a motion

1738
02:04:00,072 --> 02:04:03,352
to receive move by councilor Crane, seconded by deputy mayor.

1739
02:04:03,352 --> 02:04:12,148
All those in favor. Opposed. That's carried. 19 consent of

1740
02:04:12,148 --> 02:04:17,188
other minutes Heritage Committee meeting minutes June Twelveth, 2025. Deputy

1741
02:04:17,188 --> 02:04:23,931
Mayor moves receipt seconded by. Councilor puja, was that your

1742
02:04:23,931 --> 02:04:27,291
hand? I just barely saw the fingertips above that. Okay.

1743
02:04:30,969 --> 02:04:36,609
Any discussion. All those in favor? Opposed? That's carried. Drainage

1744
02:04:36,609 --> 02:04:45,272
board meeting minutes. Councilor Crane. I'll move the staff recommendation.

1745
02:04:48,298 --> 02:04:53,258
Seconded by deputy mayor. All those in favor? Opposed? That's

1746
02:04:53,258 --> 02:05:00,738
carried unfinished business. Any unfinished business. Councilor Allair. Thank you,

1747
02:05:00,738 --> 02:05:03,338
Mr. Mayor. I was just wondering, because the city did

1748
02:05:03,338 --> 02:05:07,178
make an announcement today about receiving. A grant from federal

1749
02:05:07,178 --> 02:05:09,298
funding. I was just curious if we had any follow

1750
02:05:09,298 --> 02:05:14,324
up with our grant. For the centennial fields. Members of

1751
02:05:14,324 --> 02:05:21,418
council that actually will come to. On July 14. Unfortunately,

1752
02:05:21,418 --> 02:05:27,873
we were not successful in getting that grant. Okay. Any

1753
02:05:27,873 --> 02:05:35,921
other unfinished business. Councilor puge. Under unfinished business. About the

1754
02:05:35,921 --> 02:05:41,877
Boblo Ferry? I asked at the last meeting and. They

1755
02:05:41,877 --> 02:05:45,854
were supposed to have the second theory by May. 31st.

1756
02:05:45,854 --> 02:05:48,694
And, Valerie, you said you do a follow up and

1757
02:05:48,694 --> 02:05:54,189
try to find out about. My information. Is that the

1758
02:05:54,189 --> 02:05:56,589
ferry is still being repaired or inspected. It's not in

1759
02:05:56,589 --> 02:06:01,446
the water. So. This council spent a great deal of

1760
02:06:01,446 --> 02:06:05,972
money, and we went public with. Our letter that was

1761
02:06:05,972 --> 02:06:09,412
sent to them. It just appears that they're ignoring this

1762
02:06:09,412 --> 02:06:16,196
letter altogether. And if it goes down again. There's no

1763
02:06:16,196 --> 02:06:22,748
way that. We can bring emergency services over there. We're

1764
02:06:22,748 --> 02:06:24,748
going to be at the same place we were just

1765
02:06:24,748 --> 02:06:29,936
a few months ago. So what are our options? We're

1766
02:06:29,936 --> 02:06:32,056
just going to keep saying, oh, well, they just keep

1767
02:06:32,056 --> 02:06:36,223
putting us off. Don't we have any other worship members

1768
02:06:36,223 --> 02:06:39,543
of council? Council has been fully briefed on. The legal

1769
02:06:39,543 --> 02:06:41,423
opinion in camera and I'm happy to bring that back

1770
02:06:41,423 --> 02:06:43,263
to you at the next meeting if you would like

1771
02:06:43,263 --> 02:06:49,583
to revisit it. Because. The president expect us to follow

1772
02:06:49,583 --> 02:06:53,777
through on it. They really do. And right now, There's

1773
02:06:53,777 --> 02:06:59,283
no repercussions for them whatsoever. Okay, this is unfinished, so

1774
02:06:59,283 --> 02:07:02,203
you're asking for an in camera meeting at the next

1775
02:07:02,203 --> 02:07:05,803
meeting. Of council on this issue, correct. Okay, is there

1776
02:07:05,803 --> 02:07:10,109
a second or to that? No secondary. Okay. Sales for

1777
02:07:10,109 --> 02:07:19,381
lack of secondary. Unfinished business. Seeing

1778
02:07:19,381 --> 02:07:27,879
none. New business. Councilor Courtney. Second, I'm going to put

1779
02:07:27,879 --> 02:07:32,487
forward a motion that. Staff put forward to the province

1780
02:07:32,487 --> 02:07:35,527
to add Willow Beach Lakewood Barpoint area to the Gulf

1781
02:07:35,527 --> 02:07:38,167
Court pilot project, and if I can get a second,

1782
02:07:38,167 --> 02:07:43,943
I'll explain why. Okay. Seconded by Councilor MacArthur. You're just

1783
02:07:43,943 --> 02:07:47,451
asking for a staff report. No, I'm asking to put.

1784
02:07:49,362 --> 02:07:53,602
A letter. Okay. Any discussion? Can I explain, though? Because

1785
02:07:53,602 --> 02:07:56,122
I want staff to understand the uniqueness. Of the neighborhood.

1786
02:07:56,122 --> 02:07:58,722
Number one, the most controversial area of the three that

1787
02:07:58,722 --> 02:08:01,042
we've only heard about Boba was kind of its own

1788
02:08:01,042 --> 02:08:04,802
entity. Lake Erie Country Club's own private roadway. So that

1789
02:08:04,802 --> 02:08:07,402
doesn't even really qualify. That one got shut down. This

1790
02:08:07,402 --> 02:08:09,626
one hasn't. Even been brought to the province and. I

1791
02:08:09,626 --> 02:08:13,279
think. I hope staff can really. These are deeded properties,

1792
02:08:13,279 --> 02:08:15,399
a good chunk of this area to its own private

1793
02:08:15,399 --> 02:08:18,359
beach. Malden the history behind bar point. And what stands

1794
02:08:18,359 --> 02:08:21,479
for no roadway back there beyond the third concession is

1795
02:08:21,479 --> 02:08:26,503
legally. Highway traffic width third lane waste their laneways. Very,

1796
02:08:26,503 --> 02:08:29,823
very cottagelike laneways. There's really only one direct way into

1797
02:08:29,823 --> 02:08:33,550
that area, and. I don't include. The gravel road from

1798
02:08:33,550 --> 02:08:36,790
Amherst point back, but the third concession back, so you

1799
02:08:36,790 --> 02:08:40,733
get no through traffic. It's literally a small, rural pocket

1800
02:08:40,733 --> 02:08:42,973
of privacy most people don't even know about. It when

1801
02:08:42,973 --> 02:08:45,613
they pass by County Road 20 that there's even houses

1802
02:08:45,613 --> 02:08:48,373
back there. So for all of those reasons, I think

1803
02:08:48,373 --> 02:08:50,693
it's very important that we at least let the province

1804
02:08:50,693 --> 02:08:54,213
decide whether it meets the merits of again, their conditions,

1805
02:08:54,213 --> 02:08:57,453
which. Mr. Clerk, thank you for bringing up. The Homeowners

1806
02:08:57,453 --> 02:09:01,067
association might abode. Into their decision making. But why not

1807
02:09:01,067 --> 02:09:02,987
send it? And then I can tell the residents in

1808
02:09:02,987 --> 02:09:05,467
that area that we tried. And that's all this is,

1809
02:09:05,467 --> 02:09:07,227
is a try, and it doesn't. Seem like it's a

1810
02:09:07,227 --> 02:09:10,507
cost we try. Unless staff can tell me otherwise. So

1811
02:09:10,507 --> 02:09:15,348
thank you. Okay. All those in favor of sending the

1812
02:09:15,348 --> 02:09:19,566
letter posed. Did you want to speak to it too?

1813
02:09:19,566 --> 02:09:21,646
Go ahead. I got to take the boat back. Go.

1814
02:09:21,646 --> 02:09:24,286
Ahead. Councilor Putin. Isn't this the same area that we

1815
02:09:24,286 --> 02:09:28,935
received all the complaints about? The. Illegal use of golf

1816
02:09:28,935 --> 02:09:38,826
carts. I can't support that. I'm

1817
02:09:38,826 --> 02:09:43,086
asking for a recorded vote on this. On a recorded

1818
02:09:43,086 --> 02:09:50,859
vote. Administration be directed to send a letter to the

1819
02:09:50,859 --> 02:09:54,579
province of Ontario requesting that willow beach, Barpoint in Lakewood

1820
02:09:54,579 --> 02:09:58,339
beach areas be added to the Gulf pilot project Golf

1821
02:09:58,339 --> 02:10:02,299
cars pilot project moved by councilor Courtney, seconded by Councilor

1822
02:10:02,299 --> 02:10:10,930
MacArthur, Councilor Alair. Support, councilor Courtney. Councilor Crane. Support Deputy

1823
02:10:10,930 --> 02:10:17,808
Mayor Gib. Support councilor MacArthur. Support councilor puge. And may

1824
02:10:17,808 --> 02:10:25,475
approve support. Motion carries. Other new business. Councilor puge.

1825
02:10:28,038 --> 02:10:34,507
Want to make a motion. To direct administration to provide

1826
02:10:34,507 --> 02:10:39,467
counsel with a policy whereby members of council are prohibited

1827
02:10:39,467 --> 02:10:49,459
from speaking with department heads. Motion,

1828
02:10:49,459 --> 02:10:56,284
so it requires a seconder. Is there a second? Seconder.

1829
02:10:57,621 --> 02:11:05,724
For discussion. Okay. Councilor Puge, please explain. Your motion. A

1830
02:11:05,724 --> 02:11:10,766
couple of weeks ago. I tried to speak. To the

1831
02:11:10,766 --> 02:11:15,524
chief building official regarding. A building that was going up

1832
02:11:15,524 --> 02:11:22,223
that was supposed to be. A warehouse. And the neighbors

1833
02:11:22,223 --> 02:11:29,350
had proved that. It was being fitted. To. Be an

1834
02:11:29,350 --> 02:11:33,444
arena. And I had been told that there was a

1835
02:11:33,444 --> 02:11:37,103
stop work order on this building. I don't want you

1836
02:11:37,103 --> 02:11:39,063
to go too far into the detail, because this is.

1837
02:11:41,018 --> 02:11:42,458
A private matter, so it would have to go in

1838
02:11:42,458 --> 02:11:48,276
camera, okay. I will just continue. That I asked to

1839
02:11:48,276 --> 02:11:51,981
speak to the chief building official. And then I was

1840
02:11:51,981 --> 02:11:58,581
told. I can't that I have to go through. Melissa

1841
02:11:58,581 --> 02:12:03,281
in order to be able to speak to them. And

1842
02:12:03,281 --> 02:12:06,161
17 years that I've been on council, I've always been

1843
02:12:06,161 --> 02:12:12,559
able to speak. To a department head. Okay. Madam deputy.

1844
02:12:13,959 --> 02:12:19,468
Mr mayor. In speaking with councilor Puge regarding the matter

1845
02:12:19,468 --> 02:12:22,028
and to address her concern about speaking with the CBO.

1846
02:12:23,749 --> 02:12:25,989
I explained to her that he simply wasn't available. He

1847
02:12:25,989 --> 02:12:29,349
was dealing with other matters on that particular day. And

1848
02:12:29,349 --> 02:12:34,269
as such, Michelle, our inspector, recommended that she speak with

1849
02:12:34,269 --> 02:12:37,069
me directly on this. Because we had already taken actions

1850
02:12:37,069 --> 02:12:40,829
on the site. And at that particular point, from our

1851
02:12:40,829 --> 02:12:44,446
perspective, we needed to address the other, inspect. Inspections that

1852
02:12:44,446 --> 02:12:47,686
taxpayers had paid us to be on site to address

1853
02:12:47,686 --> 02:12:51,118
and that. I could have troubleshooted. The questions that she

1854
02:12:51,118 --> 02:12:53,798
had. I did convey this does not mean that she

1855
02:12:53,798 --> 02:12:56,398
cannot speak with our CBO at any point in time

1856
02:12:56,398 --> 02:12:59,318
on any other matter, it was just simply in that

1857
02:12:59,318 --> 02:13:03,118
particular situation and for that property, I requested that. Any

1858
02:13:03,118 --> 02:13:06,758
comments from herself? Or the residents, please come through me

1859
02:13:06,758 --> 02:13:09,118
because we were trying to coordinate it, because we had

1860
02:13:09,118 --> 02:13:11,990
several. Building inspectors that were being contacted by several different

1861
02:13:11,990 --> 02:13:14,390
parties, as well as some of our planning folks. As

1862
02:13:14,390 --> 02:13:16,390
well as some of our bylaw folks, and we needed

1863
02:13:16,390 --> 02:13:20,510
to coordinate that particular response through me. So it had

1864
02:13:20,510 --> 02:13:23,270
nothing to do with this being a policy going forward?

1865
02:13:23,270 --> 02:13:26,310
It was simply as I conveyed to the counselor that

1866
02:13:26,310 --> 02:13:31,318
instance, for that reason. Mr. Mayor. I called you as

1867
02:13:31,318 --> 02:13:39,422
soon as she had told me that. I couldn't speak

1868
02:13:39,422 --> 02:13:42,062
to them, that I had to go through her. I

1869
02:13:42,062 --> 02:13:45,907
understood that was for all the time. So I had

1870
02:13:45,907 --> 02:13:49,107
asked you to look into it. That's been two weeks,

1871
02:13:49,107 --> 02:13:51,347
and you didn't. Even get back to me. I wouldn't

1872
02:13:51,347 --> 02:13:55,587
have had to try to put a motion forward. If

1873
02:13:55,587 --> 02:14:00,512
you ask, I did speak to. The deputy CaO about

1874
02:14:00,512 --> 02:14:02,872
this matter and she assured me what she's just said

1875
02:14:02,872 --> 02:14:04,752
tonight I'm sorry if I didn't get back to you,

1876
02:14:04,752 --> 02:14:09,621
but. I did find out that you could speak to.

1877
02:14:09,621 --> 02:14:12,581
I'm sorry I didn't call. Back. I guess things just

1878
02:14:12,581 --> 02:14:16,266
got busy. All right, you have a motion on the

1879
02:14:16,266 --> 02:14:26,121
floor. It's been seconded. All those in favor? Opposed. That

1880
02:14:26,121 --> 02:14:34,019
is defeated other new business. No other new business. Any

1881
02:14:34,019 --> 02:14:40,431
notices of motion. No notice of motion. Bylaws 24.1, the

1882
02:14:40,431 --> 02:14:45,751
branch strain and connection to the Sam Paquette drain. Councilor

1883
02:14:45,751 --> 02:14:50,391
Crane, I'll move the recommendation seconded by deputy mayor. All

1884
02:14:50,391 --> 02:14:57,418
those in favor? Opposed. That's carried. 24.2 improvements to the

1885
02:14:57,418 --> 02:15:02,754
Deslip drain. Moved by Councillor Crane, seconded by deputy mayor.

1886
02:15:02,754 --> 02:15:10,864
All those in favor? Post that's carried. Confirmatory bylaw. Moved

1887
02:15:10,864 --> 02:15:13,944
by the deputy mayor. Seconded by councilor Crane. All those

1888
02:15:13,944 --> 02:15:20,743
in favor? Adjournment. Councilor Courtney got his hand up. Already

1889
02:15:20,743 --> 02:15:27,641
seconded. By Councilor MacArthur. All those in favor? Opposed? That's

1890
02:15:27,641 --> 02:15:31,556
carried. The meeting is adjourned. At 845.