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Okay, we would like to welcome you today to the Anacortis Planning Commission meeting of August 27th, and Ms. Glyklin, would you please take roll? Commissioner Mills.

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Present.

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Commissioner McCombs. Commissioner Ryan.

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Present.

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Commissioner Martin.

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Here, Commissioner Stoneman.

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Here.

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Commissioner Jaretsky.

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Here.

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Commissioner Currier.

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Here.

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Okay.

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Now for the pledge of allegiance, would you please join me?

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I

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pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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Okay. Item number three is minutes, and Ms. Lyckman just informed me that we will have a number of minutes soon, but not for tonight.

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Number four is public comment and it is awesome to see so many of you here tonight.

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So let me explain about the public comment.

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This is your opportunity to speak about something that's not on the agenda.

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And I have a list of people that would like to speak.

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We will also have a public hearing right after this.

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and it looks like most of you have signed up that I can see for the public hearing.

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But first, let's talk about just public comments.

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Something that's not on the agenda, we will be happy to give you three minutes.

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You can come up to the podium, state your name and the city that you live in

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and give us whatever comments you would like to give.

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I'm just going to pause for a minute.

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I'm assuming most of you are here for the public hearing.

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So anybody online for public comment?

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There are no hands raised.

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Okay.

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Item number five is public hearing for the 2025 Comprehensive Plan Periodic Update.

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Public hearing on the draft proposal 2025 to 2045 Comprehensive Plan.

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Thank you. Okay. We will still give you three minutes in order to save some time. If you

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have the same thing to say as somebody that's already spoken, you wouldn't mind just saying,

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you know, I agree with so-and-so or whatever, that would just save us some time. But we will give you

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your full three minutes. This is not a time for question and answer back and forth. So the commission

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is here to hear, and most of us will take notes on what you have to say, and we do appreciate

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that you care enough to come. So I'm just going to go down the list. The first person

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on the list is Vicki.

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Is Miss Libby Grage. Good evening. I'm Libby Grage. I'm the planning

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manager and the planning and community and economic development department. The City

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We have Anna Cortis. Welcome, everyone. It's good to see you all.

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And I think first we do have a brief presentation just as background because I think there's probably

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some folks online and an audience that maybe haven't been following along the entire process,

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which has been going on for a while, so I'm just going to do a brief overview to bring us all

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up to speed. And then first, I think John Coleman, the director, would like to say a couple

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words too. Okay, thank you.

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Good evening everybody. Planning commission. My name is John

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Coleman. I'm the director of the Planning Community and Economic Development Department.

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Nice to see so many people here today. Thank you all for coming. It's very good to see so many

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people actively engaged in this important visioning process. So since a lot of people may not have

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been following this closely over the past year and a half, two years that we've been working

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on this process, I'm going to just give a brief overview of some of the highlights.

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I'm going to try to keep it very brief.

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And then Libby's going to give a brief presentation before we open it up to public hearing.

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So as I was already mentioned, this is the 2025 to 2045 periodic update of our comprehensive plan.

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This update is a required update per the Growth Management Act.

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we have to update our comprehensive plan every 10 years and in that update process we look

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at our next 20 years of projected growth. So this time we're looking at how much growth

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we're anticipating between 2025 and 2045. So what does that all mean?

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We're required to project how much population we're expecting over the next 20 years.

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Along with that projection, we also have to look at how much housing we're going to have

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to accommodate over the next 20 years to provide homes for those people that are moving to the

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city.

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We also have to anticipate 20 years' worth of jobs growth, so we're the process with the county that happened back in 2024.

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We looked at how much the county was going to grow by and then we extrapolated based on past performance of other cities or past growth of all the cities and extrapolated how much of that growth is going to go to each city.

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So, Annacortis, we used our past population growth to project how much we're expecting

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over the next 20 years, same with jobs.

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And then the Department of Commerce helped out with providing information about how many

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housing units are going to be necessary, and I'll get into that a little bit.

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So just as a baseline, what we're talking about is we're expecting just under 5,000 new residents

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between 20, really 20, 23, and 20, 45, and that sounds like a lot. Right now, we're

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at about 18,000 people. What that really is is if we look at our past population growth,

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it's actually a little slower rate of growth than we've seen in previous decades, but still

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We're still pretty close to what we've seen in the past decades.

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To accommodate those residents, we're anticipating about 2,942 new homes are necessary.

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And we're also expecting to accommodate 3,145 jobs.

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So what that means is now we need to make sure that we've got enough land within our city limits in urban growth area to accommodate that number of houses and

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So we did a whole land use analysis, land capacity analysis last year, and determined that we don't need to expand our urban growth area boundaries in order to accommodate that growth.

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We have enough space within our existing planning area.

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One note about these population projections is they're exactly that, they're projections.

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questions. They're not targets. We're not saying we'd like to see this many people come.

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Some people might like to see that many people. I'm sure a lot of people that live here would

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not like to see that many people come here.

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What we're doing is we're making sure that

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we're addressing the future anticipated growth. So just because, you know, in such a case

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where we felt like maybe we don't want to accommodate that much growth, we still want

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to be prepared to because the people are going to move here. We don't have a way of saying

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you can't move to Annacortis. We can't shut the door and say you can't come in. People

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will likely move here. And so we just want to be prepared for that growth. That way we don't

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suffer the ills of unplanned growth, which means what we want to do is we want to make sure

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that we've got enough sewer capacity. We have enough water capacity. Our roads are in such

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shape that can handle the anticipated growth in traffic and then we can also look at the

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financial aspects of this and make sure that we're planning ahead for all of these

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capital facilities and housing and whatnot.

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So this process where we're at now is the

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comprehensive plan review. After the comprehensive plan there's also development regulation updates

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But the comprehensive plan is the vision statement that says, how do we want our city to look in 20 years?

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And so we go through this public process where we ask people to participate.

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We use information, staff researchers, information from the state,

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past information, what do we have in the city limits and what will we need?

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And so we're trying to bridge that gap between what we have and what we'll need over the next 20 years.

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And we put that into our vision statement that is our comprehensive plan.

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So this is the public's opportunity to say how they'd like their community to look over the next 20 years.

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And so we are tasked with not only putting down what the community wants.

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we also have to balance that with regulations that the state has in the Growth Management Act.

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Over the past couple of years, there's been some major changes to the Growth Management Act that

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requires us to now allow ADUs and planning commissions to talk a little bit about that.

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Well, I think we still have more discussion around that.

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We're required to have a climate element, so that's a new part of our comprehensive plan

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and I know the planning commission has seen a lot of that.

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We're also required to not only make sure we have enough land to accommodate all of our future housing.

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We have to make sure that we've got the zoning in place to accommodate different types of housing.

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So the state's now saying you have to plan not just to accommodate all of your housing as one type say single family houses are all apartments.

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you have to provide a mix.

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And what that means is we really need to accommodate

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is housing in all sections of the area median income.

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So that means people who earn 0% to 30% of the area median income,

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you know, they make a very small amount of money.

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And that's, we need to make sure that zoning

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and systems are in place to accommodate that type of housing.

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We don't necessarily have to build it, but we have to make sure that our rules allow for it.

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And that's going to be anything in the 0 to 30 is going to be some sort of subsidized housing.

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30 to 50% AMI area median income is another is the next segment.

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That's also likely to be some sort of supported housing.

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And the income brackets go up from there.

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It's 50 to 80% AMI, 80 to 100% AMI.

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and then 100 to 120% AMI and then 120 and above.

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What the state says is that single-family homes,

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based on what it costs to build a new single-family home,

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you, a wage or a wage earning family needs to be

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in the 120% AMI or higher in order to purchase

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or build a new single-family residence.

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So the Department of Commerce from the state

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gave some guidelines about housing types, multi-family housing would be in that 0-80 and 0-50,

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those are the types of housing that could accommodate those AMIs.

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Mr. Coleman, just for the sake of everybody, can you explain what AMI means?

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We've got area median income.

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And that changes annually right now last year was about $108,000 for a family.

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And there's, yeah, I don't want to get into the details on that.

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But that's if you make $108,000 in 2024,

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that was roughly the area median income.

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And that way, you can see it would be tough to buy a new single family house

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when it's going for over $700,000.

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So we're trying to achieve, as we're required to achieve,

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is making sure that we have zoning and housing policies in place to accommodate other types

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of housing besides single families.

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So that means duplexes, foreplexes, condominiums, multifamily, smaller apartments, single-family

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houses, accessory dwelling units.

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So that's been a large part of what we've worked on.

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So I'm going to stop right there of just one brief reminder that there's a lot of information

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available here and hopefully the communities had a chance to look at all.

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If you go to our city 2025 to 2045 comprehensive update website on the planning page,

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you'll find all of that information broken down by the different elements of the comp plan.

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And if that's too hard to look up, I always like to say we've also created a website,

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Or a shortcut called planacortis.com, or planacortis.org, that'll get you to that page.

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I always like to plug that.

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There's a lot of information there.

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We're holding a public comment tonight.

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We technically closed the public comment period after this, I think tomorrow is the last

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day.

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But we're going to keep it open because our development regulations, we're still working

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and we're going to bring those to the city council

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or bring those to the Planning Commission, excuse me,

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in the near future.

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And so there's no reason to necessarily close

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the comprehensive plan.

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Public comment period, well, we haven't made any decisions. We're not expecting planning commission to make any decisions tonight, and we do and we recommend that we leave the public comment period open after this meeting. So, I'll turn it over to Libby Grage now. Thanks.

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All right. Thank you, John, for that introduction. I will try not to repeat too much of that.

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I don't think I will, but so the purpose of tonight's hearing is that it is an opportunity

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for the public to provide their formal input on the proposed updates to the city's comprehensive

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plan.

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I was going to provide a brief overview of the overall update process, highlight key changes

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and then recommend that we open the Florida public comment.

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So, the comprehensive plan is, as John mentioned, it's the long range plan that guides growth

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development and investment in Anacortis over the next 20 years.

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It has nine elements within it, including land use, housing, economic development, capital

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facilities, utilities, transportation, parks, recreation and open space, environment and

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conservation and the new climate element and the comprehensive plan is required by the

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Growth Management Act, which is a state law that has been around since the 90s.

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The Growth Management Act is a law that requires fast growing counties and cities to plan

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to manage population growth and we do that through our comprehensive plans and our implementing

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development regulations. The Growth Management Act has 15 planning goals that are sort of the

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framework for comprehensive plans. Comprehensive plans need to be for all cities and counties that are

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planning under GMA, need to be consistent with the planning goals.

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This is just a summary, these aren't the full goals, but you're welcome to go take a look at the statute to see the full text there.

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The goals aren't in any order of priority in the state laws, really up to the local jurisdictions to develop their comprehensive plan.

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plans and development regulations to be not in conflict with these goals to give some

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effect to the goals and not and to prioritize and balance between the goals in accordance

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with the community's vision for its future. So what we're doing through this process.

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So again, we're required to do an update to the comprehensive plan under the Growth Management

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This is a mandatory update that GMA requires every 10 years.

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The last periodic update that the city completed was done, the conference plan was done in 2016.

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And the development regulations were a few years later in 2019.

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So it's been a little while.

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The reason that we, another reason to do the update is to ensure that all of our local policies and regulations are consistent with state law.

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And also making sure that as John mentioned, planning for growth, we want to avoid the ills of unplanned growth.

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So, going through this process helps us plan appropriately and make sure we have the infrastructure in place to accommodate the projected future growth.

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So, with the periodic update, there are some mandatory requirements, so the State Law Growth Management Act requires the city to look at or to address certain topics through the update process.

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And that includes the new growth projections that John mentioned and also looking at the urban

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growth area capacity to accommodate those growth projections.

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We also look at changes in state law, new legislation passed by the Washington State Legislature.

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And there's been quite a bit recently, especially since 2016.

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a lot of new legislation about around housing, and there's also been new law requiring jurisdictions

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to plan for climate change.

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This is just a slide sort of recapping the growth information, the growth projections.

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So, you'll see, so these are 20-year growth projections.

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This table is showing the 2022 estimated information for population and jobs.

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And then what is projected for 2045 and then the difference.

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So the anticipated or projected growth over that 20 years.

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This table comes out of one of the documents that's available on the website.

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The LAN capacity analysis that John mentioned, it is sort of showing the number of projected

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housing, it's projecting housing needs in number of units based on income band.

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So, you can see down at the bottom, you've got the 0-30, 31-50, 51-80, and so on, and then

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these bars are showing the projected need for new homes affordable to these income levels.

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And so you can see the biggest need here is the zero to 30% with little over 900 units projected to be needed over the next 20 years.

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And then so on, 604 new units in the 31 to 50, so on and so on.

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And so the land capacity analysis corresponds the different income levels with the types of housing that are likely to be affordable to those income levels.

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And then the city has to make sure that we have the zoning in place to accommodate those types of housing throughout the city.

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So,

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in addition to the mandatory updates that are just required under GMA in the state law,

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we also have some updates that are not mandatory, but are proposed in order to address local

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needs.

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The City Council last year, docketed a list of development regulation and comp plan policy

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amendments that you can find on Resolution 3161 is available on our project website but that

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contains a list of, you know, in addition to all of the state-mandated things, these are the other

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items that we want to consider as part of the update process. So those include some different

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There are revisions to policies around housing, walkability, and historic preservation.

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There were some petitions from landowners to change the future land use designation of their properties.

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The city submitted a request to the county to change the urban growth area boundary to include certain city-owned parcels that are adjacent

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to the Antiquitous Community Forest Lands in order to eventually bring those into city limits so

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that the city's regulations would apply and those properties are all or most of them are protected by

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restrictive covenants that mean that their use will continue to be recreation ACFL city operations purposes.

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So, they will not be used to accommodate any housing or jobs growth.

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And actually that amendment was adopted by the county, not too long ago.

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And then also on the docket is some property owner proposed or some citizen initiated development

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regulation amendments.

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So this isn't called plan amendments, but development regulations, so they wanted to see certain changes to regulations and so those are being considered through this process as well.

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So I just, I know there's a lot of different things that are being updated and so I wanted to give you a summary of those things and kind of what to expect coming up because tonight is our public hearing about the comprehensive plan.

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And that is sort of the policy level guidance document that we will soon be releasing our

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draft amendments to development regulations which the development regulations are actually

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the rules that govern what can be built on the grounds and how.

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So, that includes things like the zoning regulations, the official zoning map, permitted

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uses, subdivision standards, parking, lot size, setbacks, so all of those details and

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standards are in development regulations.

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And we have not released a draft for public review yet, so that will be coming in September,

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soon.

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So and then finally critical areas regulations are also required to be updated as part

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of this process.

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Currently the city has hired a consulting firm to look at the best available

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science which we're required to use in designating and protecting critical areas looking at what has

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changed in the best available science since the last time we conducted an update and so

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they're working on writing those reports right now and we should have some drafts on

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that soon. The next steps for that part of the process will be doing some public engagement

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and then ultimately drafting amendments and those will also go through public review process.

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So the conference of plan and development regulations have a deadline of December 31st, 2025.

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So we expect to have those adopted by a city council by that date.

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The critical areas regulations are also, they have a due date of December 31st, 2025, however,

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as long as the city continues making substantial progress towards completing those updates.

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It's the actual deadline is when you get a one-year extension.

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So we anticipate meeting that deadline.

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So just a quick overview of the process that we've been through so far for

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this periodic update, the process is broken down into two phases.

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Phase one was occurring all through 2024.

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There was a lot of information gathering and analysis, we did a lot of public outreach going to different community events over the summer and trying to get the word out that this update process was happening and asking people to get involved to sign up for email list distribution list so that they could be notified of upcoming dates and releases of draft documents, etc.

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The City Council established a climate team by resolution, which was formed to help in the development of the new climate element, and so they met four times over the course of last year to help guide that document.

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City staff also released draft preliminary goal and policy revision proposals in sort of a table format for each element.

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And so and that's available on the website as well, so you'll see for each element the existing comprehensive plan language, bulls and policies.

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the proposed change to the policy if there was one and strike through underline format and then a rationale for the reason for the proposed change.

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So you can kind of track what this was required because state law changed or trying to consolidate policies to make things more concise and clear, things like that.

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So that's all available for the public.

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All of those, we've been calling them revision trackers, but those documents all went through.

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Through a public comment period and public hearings, so that all happened last year, so we got public feedback on those and then took all of that input and created a complete compiled draft comprehensive plan, draft comprehensive plan that we released in July of this year.

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And so that is sort of the kickoff, the beginning of phase two, which is where we're at now.

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So the next steps are going to be releasing the draft development regulations, as I mentioned.

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Public comment, public hearings on those.

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And then ultimately, City Council will review an adoption of all of these amendments.

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This is just a calendar and visual format calendar or timeline showing the overall process

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from the beginning of 2024.

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We are here where the yellow circle is in phase two.

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Just real quickly next steps after tonight and we can talk about this later too if there

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are questions, commissioners.

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As John mentioned, we would just recommend keeping the public hearing open, keeping the public

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comment period open after tonight.

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There will be another planning commission meeting on September 10th where we could continue

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to take comments if needed and plan to discuss the new draft development regulation amendments.

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So that will be sort of the beginning of that discussion.

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And then this is trying to estimate what's going to be happening at each planning commission

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meeting over the next couple of months to get through this process.

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This will all be putting this presentation online so folks can get to this schedule.

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So again, how to comment, we're glad you're all here tonight to provide your feedback.

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So that is one way that you can provide public comments.

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You can also submit written comments to your comp plan at anacortiswaw.gov.

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You can also mail them, mail written comments to this address.

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And then just another plug for planacortis.org or comp, it doesn't matter, either one will

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get you there.

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And there's just so much information on the website that has been developed to support this

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update process.

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So, this is just a list of all of those reports and analysis.

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Okay, I'm done.

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Sorry for taking so long.

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All right, that's all I have.

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And thank you.

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That was very helpful.

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Okay.

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So, now we're going to officially open the public hearing for the Comprehensive Plan.

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and I'm just going to use the list of in the order that you signed up and if you came in and didn't have a chance to sign up or you want to speak after that, you're welcome to do that.

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Again, I'm going to ask that you come to the podium, make sure the microphone is on and we will give you three minutes and I believe can you see.

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So that one has the countdown and then there's also the red yellow green lights on the podium.

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Okay, so I'm going to because there are so many of you, I'm going to try and be pretty much of a stickler to make sure that it stays to the three minutes so that we can make sure we hear from all of you because that's what we want to do.

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Okay. With that, the first person is Vicki Starch. I hope I'm not saying names wrong, and this is regarding housing.

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So, yeah, push the button so it's...

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Is it on now? Yes. Good evening commissioners.

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Just say your name and your city. Yeah.

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I'm Vicki Stache. I live at 20033 Nice Street and a quarter. So, I'm here tonight to talk about the housing.

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element of the plan and to tell you that I am definitely a supporter of the

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need for all types of housing. I've worked in the community in various aspects

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with seniors, with low income people, with wealthy people, the whole nine yards

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over the years and I see a big need for particularly that housing for what we

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all the middle area. Families, seniors that maybe are wanting to downsize. We have some

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really good examples already of townhouses, triplexes, even ADUs that to me look just great.

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One example is the housing across the street from the library. Those are condos, but you

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to know it looking at them and least stereotypically.

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So I would really encourage us to move forward

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in that direction.

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We can't just be a community of can't afford us,

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which we are known as in many ways.

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We have lots of families here who are below the median income.

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They are the people that are working in the restaurants

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and nursing homes, the hospitals.

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That's all taken account in your plan.

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So I commend you for the work that you've done.

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So again, I support and I hope that anybody that's here tonight that's a NIMBY will also come around to that point of view after they've read the plan.

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So thank you for your time.

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Thank you.

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Okay, next person, Stan and D.

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I'm sorry.

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I just hate butchering people's names.

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Jim Kus.

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And Jim Kus, 1307, Irri Avenue.

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And I guess Mary Stoll, she's probably having this whole thing up.

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The fire we got in the mail, I just thought it was junk mail.

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And on the back side, there was a lot to read, but I didn't go all the way through it.

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After I threw it away, she contacted us and said, hey, did you read everything that's

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on there. So I hadn't, but I'm concerned because there's two lots between us, between Erie

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and Dakota, and I understand that it's possible that the zoning would be changed from residential

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to multifamily. And, you know, I don't know if multifamily is a duplex or triplex or exactly

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what it is, but I'm concerned about that. Also, the property that is there, it hasn't

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ever been mowed. West Second is, I guess it's the designated wetlands. Well, the city

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is pretty good. Man, every time it gets up a little bit, they're out there with their

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little robot cut it down but in between the two houses here between Dakota and

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our house the grass is up four feet and it is a fire hazard thank goodness we

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haven't had a fire but I would think that the city must have some ruling that a

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property owner would take care of their their lot so anyway that's my

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concerns. I'm sure Mary has a lot more to put in. Thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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Okay, next, Carol France, about responding to speak about housing.

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That's fine, no problem. All right, next person, Sandra Shimkas.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Thank you.

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Next person, Ron Johnson, regarding the plan.

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I'll do the previous ones.

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I thought that was a sign in.

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I'm new to the community.

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Ron Johnson from Anacortis.

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However, as long as I have three minutes, my one concern or multiple concerns with the plan,

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And I've already submitted written comments, but with the recent legislative session,

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it seems like our state government is trying to discourage business and investment in the state.

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So, I'm not sure that growth in a positive vein is necessarily predictable anymore.

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We could also have negative growth.

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So I just wanted to make that point.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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Next person, Mark.

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I'm not sure Leon.

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It's

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Mark Leone, 4902, Paisley Place, and Accordus.

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I just want to reiterate Biggie Stosh's comments.

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I owned a small business here in town for 20 years, and it was a hospitality business.

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Service workers were very difficult to find places in Anacordus to work, to live, and support their families.

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So, I think it's a critical issue to find and make adjustments to building codes to allow for development of affordable housing.

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That's it, thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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Next person, Heather McPhale, housing and transport.

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Is this all?

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Okay, just stay here and just support of a couple policies.

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Just state your name and I'm sorry. My name is Heather McPhale. I live on Macbeth Drive 5105.

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I'm here to support a couple policies that are in the plan as presented to us so far.

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One is the policy H-46, which is that the policy is to look into more emergency shelters, especially for our youth.

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The last I checked with Director Johnson at the family center, there were over 200 kids,

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children who are couch surfing in an accordus. This shouldn't happen.

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So that's, I was pleased to see that you've taken that into consideration and that you're encouraging it.

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The next two policy numbers are policy T2.32 and T2.33.

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They have to do with transportation for the elderly who I'm old and I live in skyline

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and if I get to the point where I can no longer drive, which I hope won't happen too soon,

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but I will have to walk a mile to get to the bus and I think that needs to be

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reconsidered to. The idea on those two policy items that I mentioned to you

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would be a reasonable answer to that problem for a lot of people who live out

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there. Thank you for your attention. Thank you.

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Next person, Mary, I think it's

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stall, housing and zoning?

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By the way, you can just state that you live in Annacordas.

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You don't have to state your whole address unless you want to.

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Mary's stall and I live in Annacordas.

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Thanks.

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Well, I really came here to ask questions, and apparently we're not doing that.

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So I live on Dakota, and we had questions about this particular piece of property

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that when it was sold, the new person that bought it immediately wanted to go and went downtown

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to see about building a triplex.

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Now, we don't have, the neighborhood is kind of small, where second is a grass path,

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and there's an alley behind me, and then the neighbors live on either side, and a triplex would be

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completely out of character for the neighborhood and I know that Ryan has talked about organic

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integration which I kind of don't get the connection with the word to building but anyway

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this is our concern that our lovely little neighborhood is going to somehow be ruined

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by either triplexes or many homes A to U's in this particular lot which is a third of an

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So, that's just, I mean, not against all of the, you know, having more housing.

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An accordus is definitely unaffordable for many low-income people.

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But we can do that at the sacrificing our neighborhoods to be there.

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So, that's my thing for now.

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Otherwise, they have a million questions, which...

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Just for the sake, for your sake and the rest of the audience, yes, we're not answering questions right now, but there are many answers actually online already. You can check what the zoning is. And you can also check with our great staff.

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You have to speak in. It says what the zoning is now. There's no comparison. There's no, this is the

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what the zoning is now. This is what we're proposing. Okay, we don't see any of that. Also,

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the notice that I got in the mail from you a couple of weeks ago was the first that I've really

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heard about this planning commission, which apparently has been going on for a year and a half.

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So that's my rant. Thank you.

431
00:46:00,580 --> 00:46:03,480
Next person, Pat Barrett,

432
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:08,120
but regarding Olson and medium housing.

433
00:46:14,010 --> 00:46:18,070
Thank you for your time, I don't think you'll have a problem here in me.

434
00:46:19,170 --> 00:46:22,470
My name is Pat Barrett, I live in Anacourt, is Washington in Old Town.

435
00:46:23,470 --> 00:46:25,230
I think that's in Washington state.

436
00:46:25,510 --> 00:46:30,090
Anyway, the bottom line is I have a few comments to make and

437
00:46:30,090 --> 00:46:32,950
acknowledge that thank you all for doing what you're doing.

438
00:46:33,050 --> 00:46:37,530
It's a tough job, I sit on a government housing, I sit on the Anacourt,

439
00:46:37,530 --> 00:46:41,910
is housing authority and it's the first time I've sat on a government panel or a government

440
00:46:41,910 --> 00:46:42,490
commission.

441
00:46:42,910 --> 00:46:49,950
It's hell because you can't really, you can't really air your laundry in public very easily

442
00:46:49,950 --> 00:46:53,710
because everybody hears it and nobody wants to see your dirty laundry.

443
00:46:54,330 --> 00:47:00,410
Anyway, bottom line is from a housing standpoint and I'll echo Mark's comments with regard

444
00:47:00,410 --> 00:47:01,190
to housing.

445
00:47:01,930 --> 00:47:08,210
My family has been in town for a long time, and we are very active in the community

446
00:47:08,210 --> 00:47:13,750
and our active in various businesses, and my son owns Pelican Books.

447
00:47:15,110 --> 00:47:24,230
And Eli says very eloquently that the biggest risk to a true small business in this town is housing.

448
00:47:25,610 --> 00:47:31,270
I mean, we can all talk about, you know, the ability to build a big house and the zoning

449
00:47:31,270 --> 00:47:35,830
problems and the headaches with the city to build a big house out in the skyline or

450
00:47:35,830 --> 00:47:41,530
out in, you know, rock ridge or places like that, but that's not where our challenge lies.

451
00:47:42,690 --> 00:47:50,130
We can't hire people for restaurants in this town because they can't afford to pay those

452
00:47:50,130 --> 00:47:56,690
people to live here. And it's not that they want to buy a big house. His employees just can't

453
00:47:56,690 --> 00:48:04,930
find a rental. It's tough. And the fact that we've loosened the 80 U rules up is great. That's

454
00:48:04,930 --> 00:48:05,790
going to help a lot.

455
00:48:07,890 --> 00:48:16,150
But we need small, we housing, not two bedroom housing, frankly. The housing

456
00:48:16,150 --> 00:48:21,830
The housing authority has quite a few, it's the least demanding housing that they have

457
00:48:21,830 --> 00:48:22,670
coming to them.

458
00:48:23,350 --> 00:48:31,150
What they need is single family or single people, two people living in a home and you

459
00:48:31,150 --> 00:48:32,730
don't need a big house for that.

460
00:48:33,330 --> 00:48:38,810
I say that and I live in a big house because I bought a big house in old town and it worked

461
00:48:38,810 --> 00:48:45,530
out for us but as a family we believe in housing and getting our kids here and keeping them

462
00:48:45,530 --> 00:48:48,210
in town so that they can continue to work.

463
00:48:48,770 --> 00:49:01,410
On the housing note, I appreciate the fact that in the plan you've changed light manufacturing on the Olsen building property to CBD.

464
00:49:02,310 --> 00:49:09,530
It helps us keep in line with our goals as a housing authority to build that property out.

465
00:49:09,530 --> 00:49:18,650
The plans aren't final yet, the permitting process has started the goal at this stage of the game is to have 27 units.

466
00:49:19,270 --> 00:49:20,130
Thank you.

467
00:49:20,610 --> 00:49:20,970
All right.

468
00:49:21,490 --> 00:49:22,410
Anyway, good job.

469
00:49:22,650 --> 00:49:23,330
Thanks for doing it.

470
00:49:23,490 --> 00:49:23,910
Appreciate it.

471
00:49:23,910 --> 00:49:23,990
Thank you.

472
00:49:25,630 --> 00:49:26,230
Okay.

473
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:32,030
Next person, Dustin, might be Johnson?

474
00:49:33,070 --> 00:49:33,190
Yeah.

475
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:37,240
Hi.

476
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:37,820
Good evening.

477
00:49:37,980 --> 00:49:38,540
My name is Dustin.

478
00:49:38,540 --> 00:49:41,160
in Johnson from I live in work in Annacortis.

479
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:45,660
My day job is as the Annacortis Family Center's executive director.

480
00:49:45,980 --> 00:49:48,180
And I am not an expert in a lot of things.

481
00:49:48,180 --> 00:49:49,400
I'm an expert in a few things.

482
00:49:49,620 --> 00:49:54,760
One of them being affordable housing and the need for more access,

483
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:56,920
for housing, for low income people.

484
00:49:58,100 --> 00:50:03,440
I set as the president of the senior center as the president

485
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,260
of the senior center foundation board.

486
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:07,580
One of the things that we heard continuously

487
00:50:07,580 --> 00:50:13,420
seriously is that our seniors don't have the ability to downsize because they can't afford places to downsize to age in place.

488
00:50:13,940 --> 00:50:19,600
So we're kicking our seniors out of their housing, or they're not moving out of housing to make room for

489
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:24,280
new families or families that are people wanting to return to our community.

490
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:30,400
I think it's important when Libby talks about those income ranges, who are those people?

491
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:35,920
And if you look at the zero to 50% median income range,

492
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:42,140
you're looking at someone who's making $40,000 to $50,000 a year if they're a family of four.

493
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:48,340
So two adults, two kids, or a single mom with three kids, and that's not uncommon in our community.

494
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:53,320
That person is making between $20 and $25 an hour.

495
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:57,420
What we heard consistently, and what I hear consistently in our community,

496
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:01,100
is we want those folks to live in this community for a couple of reasons.

497
00:51:01,100 --> 00:51:05,840
And it's number one, if you look at the crisis point that we're at with our school district,

498
00:51:06,300 --> 00:51:10,820
the biggest reason that our school district is constricting in so many ways,

499
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:15,780
is because we don't have the ability for new families to move here.

500
00:51:16,180 --> 00:51:20,100
And so our enrollment rates are dropping and dropping and dropping.

501
00:51:20,460 --> 00:51:25,140
The second biggest issue that we see and I just had a conversation with the family that owns

502
00:51:25,140 --> 00:51:30,840
many of the assisted living facilities around AFC and in neighboring areas.

503
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:36,260
And what they continuously say is that they cannot plan for an emergency if one or both

504
00:51:36,260 --> 00:51:41,880
bridges were to go out, the support staff that would need to come to support the patients

505
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:47,500
living and assisted living to open our hospitals, to open our clinics simply wouldn't be able

506
00:51:47,500 --> 00:51:50,420
to get on island because they can't afford to live here.

507
00:51:50,420 --> 00:51:56,360
Therefore, those folks are going to go suffering, people are going to die, and those consequences

508
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:57,540
are going to be huge.

509
00:51:57,980 --> 00:52:04,700
So what I stand here asking you today as the leaders in our community around planning

510
00:52:05,260 --> 00:52:11,120
is to make planning easier, especially at the affordable levels, remove the barriers.

511
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,000
It is not a silver bullet.

512
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:18,460
There are still so many issues to building and to building affordable housing in our community,

513
00:52:18,460 --> 00:52:24,700
But reducing barriers is absolutely attainable and is something that is well within your reach.

514
00:52:24,980 --> 00:52:25,240
Thank you.

515
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:26,960
Thank you.

516
00:52:29,980 --> 00:52:34,420
Next person, I believe it says, Tarn, O'Hana,

517
00:52:38,780 --> 00:52:40,740
and this is regarding climate change,

518
00:52:40,740 --> 00:52:45,320
element, land capacity, analysis, et cetera.

519
00:52:45,940 --> 00:52:47,300
I apologize for my handwriting.

520
00:52:48,100 --> 00:52:48,520
That's okay.

521
00:52:49,240 --> 00:52:49,540
Okay.

522
00:52:49,620 --> 00:52:50,220
Good evening, everyone.

523
00:52:50,620 --> 00:52:54,000
I want to thank the Planning Commission and the Planning Department.

524
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:09,120
I want to thank the Planning Commission and the Planning Department for their outreach communication, the planning quarters dot org website and it's really well done.

525
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:11,000
I wanted to thank everyone for that.

526
00:53:12,620 --> 00:53:16,400
A lot of people have come here to talk about the need for housing and different types of housing.

527
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:23,260
So I'm going to kind of gloss over that, but we need more homes of different types everywhere in this city.

528
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:34,780
I've noticed that the current plan continues to cluster high-density homes, which are going to be more affordable to younger families.

529
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:44,540
People with children on high, high-volume materials, high-speed high-volume materials, which tend to be much more dangerous, more polluted.

530
00:53:44,540 --> 00:53:53,840
And I think that is an error when we talk about planning document as a vision for a community, our values.

531
00:53:54,440 --> 00:54:02,040
I think we need to consider pushing the limits on what we consider medium housing throughout the city.

532
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:08,260
There's no place in Anacortis should be inaccessible to transit.

533
00:54:08,260 --> 00:54:12,100
But it's not a particularly big city.

534
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:20,560
We should be capable of handling getting people to and from their homes to work to their

535
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:27,080
leisure without needing to operate a motor vehicle at any age, really.

536
00:54:29,050 --> 00:54:31,360
I'd like to address some of the policies and goals.

537
00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:38,060
I think goal H2, which is the allowing for organic change, but limiting that change.

538
00:54:38,060 --> 00:54:44,140
not extreme. It's a very wishy-washy. That doesn't really address what organic change looks like,

539
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:52,320
and how extreme change looks. It gives us a lot of wiggle room. There are some specific

540
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:59,980
transportation policies that I'd like to address in the remaining minute. A policy T-1.10,

541
00:55:00,340 --> 00:55:07,280
I would like to point out that damage to the road surface which turns out to be a very expensive

542
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:15,840
of city expenditure to fix and also as a heart's community livability increases at the

543
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,260
fourth power to the weight of the axle of the vehicles on there.

544
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:22,760
So what we really need to do is we need to introduce a goal to reduce the vehicle miles

545
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:24,520
traveled per person.

546
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:29,380
I also think we need to re-address the concept of the level of service.

547
00:55:29,380 --> 00:55:35,160
We need to set a minimum threshold for doing this analysis under policy T3.4.

548
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:42,280
and policy T3.22 publicly invest in public parking, that is a mistake.

549
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:46,920
That is waste of public resources and we need to eliminate that as a policy goal, thank you.

550
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:48,840
Thank you very much.

551
00:55:49,020 --> 00:55:49,460
Three minutes.

552
00:55:50,060 --> 00:55:51,040
Good job.

553
00:55:53,060 --> 00:55:59,280
Darleen Follett, Able Housing, I think ADA.

554
00:56:01,780 --> 00:56:04,720
Thank you, my name is Dereen Follett, I live in Skyline.

555
00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:10,760
And I just wanted to again thank you and everyone for this comprehensive plan.

556
00:56:11,380 --> 00:56:16,600
One of the things that is very close to my heart is our intellectually disabled in our

557
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:21,400
community and finding housing that will support them in the future and in perpetuity.

558
00:56:21,940 --> 00:56:27,920
And we have discussed with the HACS committee and we'll be sending our document and our notes

559
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:35,980
to hopefully have some of the H4 changes in there that specifically states what our population

560
00:56:35,980 --> 00:56:40,980
is in need of. Currently, one of the things that's discussed in there is group housing,

561
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:49,640
which they can't actually do with the, we need more integration into just single family

562
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:57,740
homes, so the ADU's cottages and smaller homes are the focus because the support services

563
00:56:57,740 --> 00:57:03,900
that they're provided that is not their parent, it has to be done in a non-group setting.

564
00:57:04,660 --> 00:57:10,280
And so we will be requesting some changes to the information there.

565
00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:18,240
I also wanted to just say that I support exactly what Pat and Dustin have said that we need

566
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:24,760
more affordable housing. One of the things that is happening right now is our habitat

567
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:30,180
for humanity houses, and this is an exciting time for an accordist to get housing that's

568
00:57:30,180 --> 00:57:36,600
affordable, except that our parent educators that work in our schools that help our children

569
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:44,160
can't afford a habitat for humanity house because they can't afford 70 to 80% AMI in an

570
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:51,860
So we really do need that lower AMI and more housing to help support those people.

571
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:57,640
And these are the same people that will be helping to support our developmentally disabled.

572
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:00,700
Because it's not a high paying job.

573
00:58:01,220 --> 00:58:03,980
There are zero services for our children.

574
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:09,680
And it is going to be a problem because a lot of our kids have very aging parents.

575
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:27,300
We've identified a number, I believe it's 46 currently and a lot of those parents are in their 70s and 80s and what will happen to our children is they will be picked up and removed from their community, from their house, from their jobs.

576
00:58:27,660 --> 00:58:37,620
These are people that work in our community, they're not homeless, they're not drug addicted, they're not any of these things that they're grouped into in a usual manner in something like this.

577
00:58:37,620 --> 00:58:45,000
So we just want to make sure to give them their own voice in this comprehensive plan for their future in perpetuity.

578
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:45,720
Thank you.

579
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:47,280
Thank you very much.

580
00:58:49,870 --> 00:58:54,230
Next person is Marlene Finley, all.

581
00:59:00,670 --> 00:59:02,850
Good evening, my name is Marlene Finley.

582
00:59:02,950 --> 00:59:07,450
I live in Annacortis, and I'm here this evening representing Evergreen Islands.

583
00:59:08,130 --> 00:59:14,550
Evergreen Islands is a local nonprofit which has been working since 1977 to ensure

584
00:59:14,550 --> 00:59:19,310
the built and natural environment remains healthy for future generations here locally.

585
00:59:20,270 --> 00:59:26,550
So I just had, we submitted seven pages of comments so I just wanted to touch on a few

586
00:59:26,550 --> 00:59:27,190
this evening.

587
00:59:27,830 --> 00:59:33,290
We've been actively participating in the city's road bus public involvement process.

588
00:59:33,710 --> 00:59:39,970
There's been 20 or so meetings between the Planning Commission and City Council, the three

589
00:59:39,970 --> 00:59:45,090
We open houses, the climate team, the surveys, and much more.

590
00:59:46,150 --> 00:59:52,670
And a lot of comments have been received by the city, but we don't see the response loop.

591
00:59:52,950 --> 00:59:58,910
We haven't seen how the city is analyzing and tracking the public feedback.

592
00:59:58,910 --> 00:59:59,150
back.

593
00:59:59,350 --> 00:59:59,810
And

594
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,880
We couldn't find that on the website, so it would, we feel like it's important to show how the public's being listened to. Then under the climate element, we'd like to see the city taking a stronger leadership role on guiding the future of March point with the two refineries. By far the March point refineries are the greatest greenhouse gas emitters in our area, although they're not within the city

595
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:38,560
boundaries, they are within the growth area management, the urban growth area.

596
01:00:39,820 --> 01:00:46,380
So they are subject, the refineries, zoning is subject to an accordous municipal code

597
01:00:46,380 --> 01:00:52,400
and is shaped by the an accordous comprehensive plan, but the county manages the permitting

598
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,240
and environmental review process.

599
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:59,940
So, between the two things can kind of fall away and not, and attention not paid.

600
01:01:00,140 --> 01:01:06,840
So, what we are recommending is that the city take the lead in a sub area plan for

601
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:09,600
March point to help guide the future of March point.

602
01:01:10,180 --> 01:01:16,200
And if you want an example, Tacoma has a title flat sub area plan where they work for

603
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:25,600
several years with tribes, the county, the city, industry leaders, and interest group

604
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:26,380
representatives.

605
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:28,760
So March point.

606
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:37,080
Another area I wanted to bring up is as the strategy in the comprehensive plan is for

607
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:44,760
infill, is for higher density in those undeveloped parcels we've heard about this evening, we'd

608
01:01:44,760 --> 01:02:00,640
I'd like to see focus on the storm water management and sewer capacity, as the areas are, as if there's going to be more density in those areas, that the city plan for the storm water management and sewer capacity with higher density.

609
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:05,440
Also, I want to bring to your attention that the plan recommends.

610
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:07,140
Yes, your time is up.

611
01:02:07,140 --> 01:02:16,280
Okay, well we have written comments and we wanted to thank all the staff and we noticed the department heads that have also been attending the meetings. Thank you. Thank you.

612
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:24,860
Okay, next person, Michelle Shaw, emailed concerns.

613
01:02:29,790 --> 01:02:38,130
By the way, we have received many written and emailed comments and believe me, we're reading them carefully.

614
01:02:39,370 --> 01:03:07,690
I'm Michelle Shodd, I wasn't really planning to talk tonight, but one of the things I would like to address is pedestrian safety and with all this growth we live out by Washington Park, but getting into town is very unsafe, I've asked the city public works to put in a crosswalk out that way because we have a tourist destination out there that many people don't are not aware of what's happening with all these

615
01:03:07,690 --> 01:03:34,850
speeding cars and their kids or bus stops, that's my biggest concern and then walking into town is not feasible for many of us because of all the traffic and people on their phones and just all this added road things, which probably is something to do with climate and emissions, but that's pretty much what I wanted to say and address, and I did send in comments about this to the commission.

616
01:03:34,850 --> 01:03:36,870
Thank you. Thank you.

617
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:46,200
Next person is Robert. I'm not sure how to say your last name, SH.

618
01:03:48,740 --> 01:03:52,200
Oh, okay. Let's see here.

619
01:03:54,930 --> 01:03:56,870
Next person, Sarah Roberts.

620
01:04:06,580 --> 01:04:10,320
Good evening. My name is Sarah Roberts and I'm from Anacortis.

621
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:13,940
And I was not planning on talking. I was just signing in.

622
01:04:13,940 --> 01:04:16,280
So this might sound a little incoherent.

623
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:22,460
I really support a lot of the comments that went before about the housing.

624
01:04:23,540 --> 01:04:30,420
When I was talking to a city employee back early on in an open house, one of the things

625
01:04:30,420 --> 01:04:37,800
that he said was that you can have a parcel zoned for a certain type of house, but you can't

626
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:40,560
actually make someone build that kind of house there.

627
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:47,580
So I'm concerned that we won't actually get these lower income and

628
01:04:47,580 --> 01:04:53,780
mid-income houses in there unless we have a way of controlling or

629
01:04:53,780 --> 01:04:57,800
incentivizing the developers to put in those houses.

630
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:06,300
I see from perhaps layman's terms that one of the mistakes that

631
01:05:06,300 --> 01:05:11,000
Anacotus made was all of the developments out to wealth,

632
01:05:11,300 --> 01:05:14,260
the really kind of in general fancy houses.

633
01:05:14,700 --> 01:05:17,360
They attracted a lot of out of town people.

634
01:05:17,700 --> 01:05:19,480
It made the developers very happy,

635
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:22,900
but didn't really solve our local housing problems.

636
01:05:23,460 --> 01:05:28,920
What I'd like to see is mixed type housing

637
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:32,980
instead of trying to stratify the types of housing

638
01:05:32,980 --> 01:05:43,740
within an area mixed type housing seems the healthiest, lower crime, more sort of

639
01:05:43,740 --> 01:05:50,820
social justice oriented rather than trying to have the high end, high income. So even

640
01:05:50,820 --> 01:05:57,660
in precious downtown I think we can look at ways of opening it up to some

641
01:05:57,660 --> 01:06:04,780
higher density housing here and there and that with that focus in housing consideration

642
01:06:04,780 --> 01:06:12,640
should be made for access to parks, pedestrian friendly access to shops for people that

643
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:19,100
can't afford the gas or the cars or so on access to schools. The other thing I want

644
01:06:19,100 --> 01:06:25,600
to promote is plant some trees. I'd like more trees around the city, more trees in the

645
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:33,880
development trees are good for temperature, water, run-off, mood,

646
01:06:34,700 --> 01:06:39,540
para, important for a lot of things, and they make the peel of the

647
01:06:39,540 --> 01:06:45,240
town much, much better. So, thank you for your time, and thank you so much for

648
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:46,020
the work you've done.

649
01:06:46,860 --> 01:06:47,300
Thank you.

650
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:50,920
Next person.

651
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:55,760
And Jerry, I think it's Jerry, or Terry,

652
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:03,800
show S-H-O-E-N, show-and-thall, here we go.

653
01:07:04,100 --> 01:07:04,540
Thank you.

654
01:07:05,980 --> 01:07:09,060
I'm sorry, I'm butchering names, and I hate to do that.

655
01:07:11,380 --> 01:07:11,980
Good evening.

656
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:13,420
My name's Terry, show-and-thall.

657
01:07:13,620 --> 01:07:15,020
I'm an Anacorder's resident.

658
01:07:17,140 --> 01:07:22,260
And we've lived in Anacorder's now for the past six years, and I've been pretty ruthless.

659
01:07:22,260 --> 01:07:28,920
in talking to our neighbors and the people who work here in town about whether they actually live here or not.

660
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:35,620
And I think one of the key things is that we have hundreds and hundreds of people who work here every day

661
01:07:35,620 --> 01:07:41,020
who would love to live here in Anacortis and who simply cannot. It's just out of their reach.

662
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:46,300
And we see it every day with the traffic flowing in in the morning and the traffic flowing out at night.

663
01:07:47,780 --> 01:07:52,800
And we've seen some nice diagrams talking about the stratification of what we really need.

664
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:54,380
We need the low income housing.

665
01:07:54,940 --> 01:07:57,840
What we need is housing and lots of it.

666
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:05,620
It doesn't, you can't control a lot of the aspects that it's very hard to control that.

667
01:08:05,820 --> 01:08:07,880
It's going to be low income or whatever.

668
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:13,500
But housing does become more affordable, the more of it that you construct.

669
01:08:13,500 --> 01:08:21,000
So in the last go-around, when the development standards were set, five story units were

670
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:21,300
allowed.

671
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:27,000
One jumped, oh, quickly jumped at it, and it turned into this huge bruhaha in the community.

672
01:08:28,180 --> 01:08:33,160
That it was changing things, there was a more Tory input up about it, and we really haven't

673
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:40,240
seen much a lot in the way since then, but we also know that five stories is one of those

674
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:44,160
economic hurdles that developers look to overcome.

675
01:08:44,480 --> 01:08:50,520
So my personal thing is avoid the conditional use wherever you can.

676
01:08:51,220 --> 01:08:53,480
Remove the hurdles to construction.

677
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:59,960
Don't fret whether you're getting upper level construction happening or for affordability.

678
01:09:00,460 --> 01:09:02,300
I mean, focus on that to some degree.

679
01:09:03,260 --> 01:09:09,140
But remove the hurdles to construction and construction will happen.

680
01:09:09,140 --> 01:09:15,960
I think we've already seen some of that, so I guess one of my things is that the way

681
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:22,660
to avoid some of the nimbyism that happens in our community is to simply permit outright

682
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:24,540
the housing that we want.

683
01:09:24,740 --> 01:09:30,420
Don't spend a lot of time and a lot of agony turning them into conditional use where hundreds

684
01:09:30,420 --> 01:09:35,380
of people come in and fret about whether or not this is going to change the community.

685
01:09:35,580 --> 01:09:35,800
It will.

686
01:09:36,020 --> 01:09:37,800
It will change the community over time.

687
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:46,580
But I would argue that the community is a lot different now than it was before in terms of gated communities and multi-million dollar homes as well.

688
01:09:47,020 --> 01:09:51,180
So, housing, we needed here so thank you.

689
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:52,860
Thank you very much.

690
01:09:54,500 --> 01:09:56,860
Next person is Chris.

691
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:02,940
And I don't know what the last name is.

692
01:10:05,190 --> 01:10:06,570
Chris is coming, okay?

693
01:10:10,050 --> 01:10:18,770
Ironically I'm one of those people that had no intention of speaking, but I'm going to go ahead and speak anyway because I'm spilling over but I'm going to try to focus my attention on affordability.

694
01:10:19,110 --> 01:10:22,650
I'm a developer builder, so stay state your name.

695
01:10:22,870 --> 01:10:24,970
I'm Christiana and I'm a resident of Anacourt as well.

696
01:10:25,210 --> 01:10:33,570
I've also been a developer and builder in town for many, many years and I can understand everybody's points that were here.

697
01:10:33,570 --> 01:10:38,510
people that want things to stay the same I've been here since 1974, my parents were both teachers here.

698
01:10:38,750 --> 01:10:44,590
I've watched the town change in many different ways, so I understand the people that want the town

699
01:10:44,590 --> 01:10:49,010
to stay the same, but like all small towns in this country, there's going to be change.

700
01:10:49,730 --> 01:10:52,290
The one thing I wanted to talk about is affordable housing.

701
01:10:52,410 --> 01:10:55,790
Everybody talks about affordable housing and my question is affordable to who.

702
01:10:56,330 --> 01:11:02,330
In the last five to six years, the average cost for me to build a home has gone up $36,000.

703
01:11:03,230 --> 01:11:08,090
because of energy code, which I understand needs to happen, because of storm water.

704
01:11:08,530 --> 01:11:14,910
All the different changes, the code requirements, each of these houses I build has gone up on the average of $36,000 a year.

705
01:11:15,770 --> 01:11:22,350
So to build, I build multi-million dollar homes, I build duplexes, I build every level of home there is.

706
01:11:22,390 --> 01:11:27,910
But for me to build a duplex, I pay basically permit fees for two homes.

707
01:11:27,910 --> 01:11:35,770
So what I've always said that we should, as a municipality, maybe make it more affordable for

708
01:11:35,770 --> 01:11:42,770
developers and builders to build affordable housing, come back with reduced permit fees for multi-housing.

709
01:11:43,290 --> 01:11:48,490
To the point where I would love to be a philanthropist and build free homes for everybody.

710
01:11:48,570 --> 01:11:53,350
But it's a really bad business model for me to build homes that I'm going to lose money on.

711
01:11:53,350 --> 01:11:57,930
When I could help the community and build more homes at a more affordable price,

712
01:11:58,230 --> 01:12:03,430
but it's going to take all of us from different angles to make housing affordable.

713
01:12:03,950 --> 01:12:07,530
And right now I find it a challenge as a builder and developer.

714
01:12:09,010 --> 01:12:13,790
It's not anybody's fault, but the time it takes to get a permit, the cost of permits,

715
01:12:14,050 --> 01:12:16,030
the impact fees, all those things.

716
01:12:16,030 --> 01:12:22,890
It just keeps growing the price for me to build a home to the point where at the end it's not affordable to just about anybody in that load.

717
01:12:23,990 --> 01:12:28,830
And that's, I mean, according to the GMA, that's the housing market that we need to be focused on.

718
01:12:28,870 --> 01:12:35,310
That's where we need the most homes, but I can't, as a builder, build homes that are going to meet that requirement.

719
01:12:35,730 --> 01:12:37,390
So, that's my concern, that's my comment.

720
01:12:38,290 --> 01:12:39,490
Thank you very much.

721
01:12:41,850 --> 01:12:46,270
Okay, next person is Trina Wary.

722
01:12:56,350 --> 01:12:58,150
Good evening, my name is Trina Wary.

723
01:12:58,410 --> 01:13:00,910
I live in Annacorta, so I'm a relatively new resident.

724
01:13:00,910 --> 01:13:14,410
What I hear tonight, and I'm very interested in this comprehensive plan because it is showing us, as was stated earlier, a vision, and we need visions, we need to have a goal to figure out where we want to go.

725
01:13:15,390 --> 01:13:26,770
And when I hear about housing, and I hear from Dustin Johnson, and I hear from Mark Leone, and I hear from Vicki Stouch, we need affordable housing.

726
01:13:26,770 --> 01:13:35,890
and we want people to come and we want people to go out and enjoy the area and we need service folks, we need people that want to work there.

727
01:13:36,510 --> 01:13:38,610
So that kind of housing is just critical.

728
01:13:39,350 --> 01:13:55,870
And then when I see on the charts that you showed here, that 900 units for people in the 0 to 30% AMI and then another 600 units for a 30 to 50% AMI, that's the vast majority.

729
01:13:55,870 --> 01:13:58,030
majority, 1,500 units.

730
01:13:58,870 --> 01:14:05,110
So I think it's really clear that information is giving you the road map for the city.

731
01:14:05,730 --> 01:14:06,430
That's all I have.

732
01:14:06,610 --> 01:14:06,950
Thank you.

733
01:14:07,670 --> 01:14:08,870
Thank you very much.

734
01:14:11,090 --> 01:14:15,150
Next person is Laurie Gehr.

735
01:14:21,930 --> 01:14:22,850
Thank you.

736
01:14:24,810 --> 01:14:27,530
Next person is Courtney Orrick.

737
01:14:33,410 --> 01:14:34,470
She left and

738
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:38,120
it says here no comment.

739
01:14:42,620 --> 01:14:47,440
Sorry. One more who signed up, but again, if you want to speak and you haven't signed

740
01:14:47,440 --> 01:14:52,720
up, I'm going to give you the opportunity. The last person on my list here is Louise

741
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:53,960
Brissy.

742
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:05,340
No? Okay. Is there anybody else who would like to speak? Come on up.

743
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:37,740
Good evening. My name is Betsy Braun, and I am a resident of the city of Anacortis. First, I have in my past life put these kinds of plans together in another life. And I just want to say a huge shout out to everybody at the city and all the people in the community who've participated in putting this plan together because it is awesome.

744
01:15:37,740 --> 01:15:48,180
And I'm really excited after reading through it about where the city is going and how thoughtful and how forward-thinking this plan is.

745
01:15:48,440 --> 01:15:49,460
So huge shout out.

746
01:15:52,840 --> 01:16:00,820
Second, I would like to talk a little bit about barriers to development.

747
01:16:00,820 --> 01:16:09,880
But I live on a property here in Anacortis that has a covenant that extends from Diavenu all the way to Anacopper Road.

748
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:15,180
And interestingly enough, that covenant was put on the original plat for the property.

749
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:22,880
And it completely restricts everything that density would otherwise want to produce in that neighborhood.

750
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:25,300
I know it's not being followed.

751
01:16:25,300 --> 01:16:38,500
I've gone to open houses and I have seen accessory dwelling units and I've seen people converting garages and there's a new three-story house right across the street for me that's under construction that is in violation of that covenant.

752
01:16:39,100 --> 01:16:48,680
So clearly nobody wants it, but it's hundreds of properties and we need help from the city to provide leadership to remove it.

753
01:16:48,680 --> 01:17:00,220
But I know that there are similar covenants and similar homeowners association restrictions in many other parts of the city that are going to prevent the development that this plan is intending to encourage.

754
01:17:00,780 --> 01:17:16,960
So I would ask the city to help us move forward and move past these 1970s, single family, single story with a walk out basement, no accessory dwelling unit to garages, thinking that we need to move past.

755
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:20,480
And that's, you know, 50, 60 years ago, it's time.

756
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:30,080
I also would like to say that I read the whole thing, all the attachments, everything.

757
01:17:33,060 --> 01:17:39,840
And it was difficult to follow, to have things struck out and have the new language inserted,

758
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:43,920
especially when there'd be pages and pages of strikeouts and then pages of inserts.

759
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:55,680
On the next iteration, could you issue both the one with changes in a conformed document so that we can go through the conformed document if we have a question, see back to what's changed?

760
01:17:56,120 --> 01:18:03,520
I think that would just make the whole flow of the plan and the review process much easier for those of us who don't do this for a living anymore.

761
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:12,220
And lastly, I want to give a shout out to the city's planning department.

762
01:18:12,220 --> 01:18:16,520
I got a permit in two hours for a little renovation.

763
01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:24,000
How can we scale that up for developers who need to be able to walk in in a day and walk out with their permit?

764
01:18:24,480 --> 01:18:25,100
Thank you.

765
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:25,740
Thank you.

766
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:37,040
Hi, I'm Jordan Hay, I live right here in Anacortis and I'm here to speak for the Downtown Anacortis Alliance Board.

767
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:41,640
I want to thank you all for the work you've done on the 2025 comprehensive plan.

768
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:48,300
It's great as Anacortis' main street organization, we use the Comprehensive Plan as the foundation

769
01:18:48,300 --> 01:18:52,500
of our work which keeps us aligned with the city and with our community and so we're

770
01:18:52,500 --> 01:18:55,940
really excited that you can put energy into having it there.

771
01:18:57,500 --> 01:19:03,560
In this plan we strongly support the emphasis on gathering spaces, workforce housing, pedestrian

772
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:08,620
friendly streets, connections to the waterfront and the arts and the creative district.

773
01:19:08,620 --> 01:19:13,820
This plan gives us clear direction and we really look forward to partnering with the city to bring it to life.

774
01:19:14,020 --> 01:19:14,300
Thanks.

775
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:15,920
Thank you very much.

776
01:19:17,180 --> 01:19:18,320
Anybody else?

777
01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:27,680
Okay, as recommended we're going to leave this public hearing open.

778
01:19:29,480 --> 01:19:34,740
So with that, we're going to move on to the next item of business.

779
01:19:35,180 --> 01:19:35,980
Madam Chair.

780
01:19:35,980 --> 01:19:49,260
Yes. Sorry to interrupt. I just wanted to make sure that we gave folks that are online the opportunity to speak if they would raise their hand if they would like to make a comment.

781
01:19:49,860 --> 01:19:51,480
There's no hands raised at the moment.

782
01:19:54,270 --> 01:19:55,450
Thanks. That's all.

783
01:19:55,910 --> 01:19:56,230
Thanks.

784
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:10,180
Other business looks like I have nothing other business, but I do have a packet with things.

785
01:20:10,180 --> 01:20:11,200
Miss,

786
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:18,040
Miss Grage,

787
01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:22,820
I'm

788
01:20:29,500 --> 01:20:31,100
sorry, you do have a packet?

789
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:41,560
I have a packet, yes, you do have a packet, so there isn't, I don't have any updates for the planning department.

790
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:53,220
The packet document contains an updated staff report, supplemental staff report regarding the future land use amendment changes.

791
01:20:53,220 --> 01:21:07,060
And so it's mostly stuff, mostly you've already seen, we added some information about the additional amendment requests for the Wilson property and the museum property, right?

792
01:21:08,380 --> 01:21:09,060
Okay.

793
01:21:09,900 --> 01:21:10,920
Madam Chairman.

794
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:12,180
Mr. Mills.

795
01:21:12,740 --> 01:21:22,040
I just wanted to acknowledge that in reading that updated packet that I set back information that I requested has not been embedded in that I appreciate.

796
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:32,800
Okay, so I'm moving on to item 7, which is Planning Department Update.

797
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:44,780
All right, thank you to everybody that showed up tonight.

798
01:21:46,090 --> 01:21:53,660
That was an incredibly well-run and informative public hearing.

799
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:57,140
So I've done this a long time, that was really impressive.

800
01:21:58,140 --> 01:22:17,620
So, getting to our Planning Department update, we were just here last week and nothing of major consequence that I can remember has happened in the past week, so I don't have a lot to offer any new information for the Planning Commission tonight.

801
01:22:17,860 --> 01:22:18,340
I apologize.

802
01:22:18,340 --> 01:22:22,120
I don't apologize, nothing wrong with that.

803
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:35,100
Yeah, I do have a question, and I wish I would have looked ahead of time, but there is a meeting, I think it's September 9th.

804
01:22:35,100 --> 01:22:43,080
I think it's at the Mount Vernon Library, and it's regarding housing.

805
01:22:43,080 --> 01:22:48,060
So that's another North Star presentation, we can have Greg Colburn present again.

806
01:22:48,460 --> 01:22:48,900
Thank you.

807
01:22:49,160 --> 01:23:00,840
I believe Greg presented at the North Star Seminar Symposium, which was, I believe, June 6th or June 9th, I can't remember.

808
01:23:01,500 --> 01:23:12,520
But he's going to be giving another presentation at the request of North Star to talk about the importance of housing and

809
01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:20,700
And you probably recall he's the author of housing homelessness is a housing problem.

810
01:23:20,980 --> 01:23:30,420
So a lot of data indicating the correlation between the lack of affordable housing in

811
01:23:30,420 --> 01:23:32,280
housing in general and homelessness.

812
01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:39,660
And then discussing how these issues can be addressed and things that can be done.

813
01:23:39,660 --> 01:23:40,980
Thank you.

814
01:23:41,640 --> 01:23:47,020
And planning commissioners was recommended if you are able to go.

815
01:23:47,750 --> 01:23:51,720
You do need to sign up and I just wanted to make sure or see.

816
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:53,800
I have signed up.

817
01:23:54,180 --> 01:23:56,800
Has anybody else on the commission signed up,

818
01:23:59,410 --> 01:23:59,830
okay?

819
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:08,690
If you're interested, you would go to the North Star website.

820
01:24:08,690 --> 01:24:12,210
I don't know what that website is, but I'm sure you can find it.

821
01:24:12,670 --> 01:24:16,150
And I think it's about two hours, something like that?

822
01:24:16,390 --> 01:24:17,970
Yeah, that would seem like right.

823
01:24:18,110 --> 01:24:20,290
Six to eight or something like that.

824
01:24:20,450 --> 01:24:25,290
But if you're interested, I guess it'd be important to let Mr.

825
01:24:25,450 --> 01:24:29,230
Coleman know, because if there are more than three of us,

826
01:24:30,310 --> 01:24:32,710
that would, we would need to publish that as a meeting.

827
01:24:33,330 --> 01:24:34,710
I would appreciate that, thank you.

828
01:24:34,990 --> 01:24:35,370
Thanks.

829
01:24:36,910 --> 01:24:40,890
Okay, anything else for the good of the order commissioners?

830
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:46,600
Do we need to revisit, I'm sorry, I don't remember.

831
01:24:46,700 --> 01:24:47,340
Mr. Mills.

832
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:54,000
Do we need to revisit the schedule of special meetings that we have laying it out for the next couple of months?

833
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:59,000
Or is there still as no change?

834
01:25:02,510 --> 01:25:04,030
I don't know the answer to that.

835
01:25:04,950 --> 01:25:07,310
Do you have information about the schedule?

836
01:25:07,310 --> 01:25:10,030
So you have that in your PowerPoint,

837
01:25:12,090 --> 01:25:14,010
yes.

838
01:25:14,290 --> 01:25:21,140
And I can also send this out as well.

839
01:25:21,740 --> 01:25:28,800
So the September 24th, as I remember, was the question about whether we would have a quorum.

840
01:25:32,430 --> 01:25:33,550
September 24th.

841
01:25:33,570 --> 01:25:41,390
If you actually look at all of these dates, and if you know, I know that I won't be here on

842
01:25:41,390 --> 01:25:43,610
October 1st or 8th?

843
01:25:49,550 --> 01:25:54,710
Okay, September 17th, Mr. Dretzky can't make it, but can everybody else make it?

844
01:25:56,050 --> 01:25:58,010
17th, yes, 24th. No.

845
01:25:58,610 --> 01:26:03,010
Okay, the 24th. Mr. Mills will not be there.

846
01:26:03,650 --> 01:26:05,430
I'm also out the 24th.

847
01:26:05,530 --> 01:26:09,590
And Mr. Stoneman, everybody else as far as you know?

848
01:26:10,530 --> 01:26:15,990
Okay, so I think we're fine. I think we will have a quorum each meeting.

849
01:26:15,990 --> 01:26:17,050
Okay,

850
01:26:21,100 --> 01:26:28,380
Mr. Ryan says October 1st he will not be there, that still gives us a quorum, so I think we're fine.

851
01:26:30,550 --> 01:26:33,310
Okay, so we were slow to start taking notes.

852
01:26:34,690 --> 01:26:42,650
What we're seeing is on September 24th, Commissioner Stoneman and Mills are unavailable, any others?

853
01:26:46,430 --> 01:26:50,350
The Mr. McCombs say he can, okay.

854
01:26:51,250 --> 01:26:53,190
Mr. McCombs, we were wondering.

855
01:26:53,290 --> 01:26:54,150
Is it no, also?

856
01:26:54,290 --> 01:26:56,430
No, he said he would be here.

857
01:26:58,380 --> 01:27:01,640
So we'll have a quorum it looks like for each of these meetings.

858
01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:05,260
And then October 1st is just Commissioner Ryan, that's unavailable.

859
01:27:06,780 --> 01:27:07,820
And me.

860
01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:09,140
Okay, okay.

861
01:27:10,020 --> 01:27:13,220
And I will not be available on the 8th either,

862
01:27:18,610 --> 01:27:18,910
okay?

863
01:27:20,550 --> 01:27:22,270
Anything else for the good of the order?

864
01:27:22,650 --> 01:27:26,830
Did you want to excuse Mr. Mills' absence today?

865
01:27:27,250 --> 01:27:28,470
We did not do that earlier.

866
01:27:28,990 --> 01:27:29,970
Mr. McCombs absence.

867
01:27:30,130 --> 01:27:33,390
Sorry, Mr. McCombs, I would like

868
01:27:37,260 --> 01:27:38,960
to move that we excuse Mr. McCombs.

869
01:27:40,300 --> 01:27:41,060
I'll second that.

870
01:27:41,480 --> 01:27:45,480
Okay, it's been moved and seconded to excuse Mr. McCombs for today.

871
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:48,220
All those in favor, signify by saying aye.

872
01:27:48,500 --> 01:27:48,720
Aye.

873
01:27:49,380 --> 01:27:49,940
Opposed.

874
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:53,520
Okay, Mr. McCombs is excused.

875
01:27:53,520 --> 01:28:00,680
thank you. Okay it is 728 and we are adjourned.

876
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:04,860
Thank you very much.