1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,080 Okay, we'll start recording. So, the stream's not working, but we're 2 00:00:04,799 --> 00:00:08,720 recording and we'll have to post it later. 3 00:00:07,839 --> 00:00:11,920 Okay. Right now, we'll call the meeting to 4 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:15,440 order for the common council Monday, July 7th. Can I have a roll call, 5 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,119 please? Council member Coffee, 6 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:20,400 present. Council member Olsen, here. Council 7 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:22,880 member Shy here. 8 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:24,400 Council member Dao, here. 9 00:00:23,199 --> 00:00:27,920 Council member McDerman, here. Uh, 10 00:00:25,199 --> 00:00:30,640 request approval of the June 16th minutes. 11 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:35,280 Move to approve. Second. Motion to second. Any discussion? 12 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:38,960 You want everything a roll call or do you want to just do it by voice? 13 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:41,680 Yes. Roll call, please. Okay, we're going to call for a roll 14 00:00:40,160 --> 00:00:43,680 call vote. Member Coffee, 15 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:44,719 yes. Member Olsson, 16 00:00:44,399 --> 00:00:47,039 yes. Member Sharky, 17 00:00:46,239 --> 00:00:48,160 I. Member D. 18 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:49,920 Yes. Member Mcder. 19 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:55,920 I. Unfinished B is ordinance number 1780 20 00:00:52,399 --> 00:01:03,199 2025 and amending the Angola Municipal Code Chapter 8.05 solid ways. Taking our 21 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:06,560 collection service to 1835 per month. 22 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:10,920 Move to approve. Second. 23 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,920 Motion to second. Discussion. 24 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,320 Roll call vote, please. Member Coffee. 25 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:15,680 Hi. Member Olson. 26 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,799 Hi. Member Starky. 27 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,560 Hi. Council member D. 28 00:01:19,759 --> 00:01:22,240 Yes. McN. 29 00:01:21,439 --> 00:01:28,560 I. Any other unfinished business? 30 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:32,240 New business. Ordinance number 1781 2025. An ordinance fixing the 31 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:37,280 compensation appointed officers, deputies, and other employees of the 32 00:01:35,439 --> 00:01:42,720 police and firefighters of the city of Angola, Indiana for the year 2026. This 33 00:01:40,479 --> 00:01:48,399 would be a first reading. We'll entertain a motion, then I'll explain uh 34 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:50,799 what my proposal is. Move to approve. 35 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:55,439 Second. Have a motion, a second. 36 00:01:53,119 --> 00:01:58,320 This is my recommendation for the following year, which means 37 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:02,960 we're coming into budgeting season because this is always a first order of 38 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:09,440 business when we do budgeting. We have lost our competitive advantage on our 39 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:14,000 payroll, particularly with our first responders, fire and police. So, I'm 40 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:21,360 proposing although the uh CPI for this year is 41 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:28,000 2.6, down from 3.2 last year, 2.6 6. This year I'm proposing a 4% across the 42 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:32,800 board increase. Uh mayor, are you behind? Are we behind? Is 43 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:36,319 that what you're telling? We we we are not where we should be. We 44 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:41,120 we we always like to be a little bit above surrounding areas uh as 45 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:48,560 particularly in public safety. We are not there. Uh that's why it's we started 46 00:02:44,879 --> 00:02:56,239 at a 4%. There are some exceptions to that 4%. uh and most of those are in the 47 00:02:53,760 --> 00:03:03,599 fire department. I am proposing the first class firefighter we increase that 48 00:02:59,599 --> 00:03:09,440 6% firefighter increase that 6% part-time firefighters an increase of 49 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:15,120 14%. And the other exception to that 4% across the board is with our part-time 50 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:21,519 employees. Uh they're currently at $21 an hour. I moved it up to $22 51 00:03:18,959 --> 00:03:26,080 an hour. This is my recommendation for the year 20 26. 52 00:03:24,159 --> 00:03:31,360 So, I'm just kind of curious, does that uh does that make you equitable or us 53 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:33,040 equitable then across the area? Yes. 54 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:36,400 Or are we going to be the leader of those? 55 00:03:33,519 --> 00:03:43,120 Um right now, particularly in the police department, we're on par with our uh Stu 56 00:03:38,879 --> 00:03:46,959 Ben County. Uh we offer longevity pay. They do not. We offer shift 57 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:51,120 differential. They do not. Uh but other than that, we're pretty well matched 58 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:55,760 with Stu Ben County. Uh this will put us above what Stuen County is is currently 59 00:03:54,000 --> 00:04:00,560 paying. Particularly if you look at the longevity pay and the uh shift 60 00:03:58,319 --> 00:04:05,840 differential pay. Uh we'll be a little bit better off. Uh 61 00:04:03,519 --> 00:04:11,519 there are some issues on sustainability given the Senate enrolled act one that 62 00:04:08,799 --> 00:04:15,920 went through. Brian and I are both concerned about that. We are somewhat 63 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:20,400 taking a leap of faith that we will be able to make this work uh going forward, 64 00:04:18,479 --> 00:04:24,479 but we do want to reward our employees. We do want to pay them well. The 65 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:30,160 firefighters were a little bit low. If you look at the if you annualize their 66 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:35,759 income, Brian did a very in-depth study uh on wage and benefits for police and 67 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:40,479 fire comparing first class to first class. The fire department were we're a 68 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:44,960 little bit low. Uh we do want to increase that by going to 6%. It'll 69 00:04:43,199 --> 00:04:49,680 actually move them up a little bit over the fire, but one of the problems we 70 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:54,960 have with the fire department is the uh pension. Uh there is an issue making the 71 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:59,120 pension equal because of the way they we pay our firemen 72 00:04:57,199 --> 00:05:03,759 in the mandatory overtime that they have to work, but their pension is based on 73 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:08,160 that first class firefighter pension. So by giving the 6% to the first class, you 74 00:05:06,639 --> 00:05:12,720 also will reward more on the pension for the 75 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:15,120 higher pay. So he actually spreads it across the entire 76 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:17,600 So you're looking at comp on a bigger picture. 77 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:23,759 We're trying to Yeah, we're trying. It does not totally fix the pension issue. 78 00:05:19,759 --> 00:05:29,039 It does not do that, but it it does move in in the right direction. Uh and and it 79 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:33,199 is a fair and equitable paid adjustment. Do the city employees 80 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:35,680 understand what you're trying to do? I hope they do. 81 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:39,680 I mean, it's it's a good thing. It it it is a very generous pay raise. 82 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:43,520 It is well above what the CPI was. Last year was 3.2. We gave a three and a 83 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:48,000 half. So, we were slightly above the CPI. 84 00:05:45,199 --> 00:05:53,039 Even though the CPI has gone down, it doesn't feel that way when you go to the 85 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:57,520 grocery store, you go out to eat or you you you go shopping with your family or 86 00:05:55,039 --> 00:06:02,080 you take them to the or whatever you do. it doesn't feel like inflation's down. 87 00:05:59,759 --> 00:06:08,400 So, that's why I wanted to go over and above the CPI and be as generous as we 88 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:13,440 possibly could uh and still be able to maintain sustainability of our budgets. 89 00:06:10,639 --> 00:06:20,000 I learned in business that money is a short-term positive motivator, but if 90 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:23,280 it's not if equity is not there, it's a long-term bad demotivator. 91 00:06:22,639 --> 00:06:27,199 I agree. So, it's it's probably a good step. The 92 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:31,600 other the only other question I have and then they'll let the other members get 93 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:36,479 in was really for Ryan, you know, based and and you touched on it. Based on 94 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:41,120 today's situation, it sounds like we're it's feasible to cover it without having 95 00:06:38,639 --> 00:06:44,400 to worry about sustainability and you're you're wondering about the 96 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:48,960 future. We are concerned and I think I'm there too, but I look at 97 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:53,600 it from today and and I and I hear it's okay because 98 00:06:51,840 --> 00:06:57,919 the question that I don't want to do is think today we're going to put something 99 00:06:55,360 --> 00:07:01,280 in, we automatically already know we're going to have to put a burden on the 100 00:06:59,199 --> 00:07:06,880 taxpayers and that's not what you're saying. Only if things kind of fall 101 00:07:04,319 --> 00:07:11,039 apart on other revenue streams. We we we've got and and we'll get into 102 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:14,000 the details of our future finance as we go through the budget process. So, we 103 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:19,919 don't need to dwell on that. This evening, uh, the county has given their, 104 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:23,280 uh, supervisors and their department has guidance that there will be no pay 105 00:07:21,199 --> 00:07:27,280 adjustments this year at the county level. Uh, the mayors that I have spoke 106 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:32,240 to, and I've spoke to a lot of them, they are looking at 0% increase for 107 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:36,479 their employees to a maximum of what I was projecting or what I was offering 108 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:40,479 was 4%. But that was a pretty small group of people that that thought that 109 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:45,919 they would get% increase for their employees this year. This is by far uh 110 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:51,120 on the high side of what other communities are doing. Most of them were 111 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:54,240 in the two two and a half% range. I know. Go ahead. 112 00:07:52,319 --> 00:07:58,479 I'm sorry. No, no. All I was going to say was I was my biggest thing as a 113 00:07:56,160 --> 00:08:03,520 manager was equity was one of the most important things uh to keep the morale 114 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:08,319 up and PE people focused. Yeah. 115 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:13,840 And uh so I applaud it. I'm I like it. I know that we have Go ahead, Jed. 116 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:19,919 Oh, I was just curious on if there were any additional positions included. Did 117 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:24,319 we add any staff members to this? Fire department. The fire department, 118 00:08:21,599 --> 00:08:31,120 the chief asked uh requested that we add a training officer and that has been 119 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:35,680 added into this ordinance. Uh and we we will we can discuss that going forward. 120 00:08:33,039 --> 00:08:39,200 That's the only additional uh position that's been added. We actually 121 00:08:36,959 --> 00:08:44,000 eliminated the classification of lieutenant in the fire uh department 122 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:49,920 because we didn't have anybody at that level. We've been going right from first 123 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:55,279 class fire to captain. We haven't been using that lieutenant rank. So, we did 124 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:59,680 eliminate that from the this this ordinance, but it does add one position 125 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:03,760 which is a training officer. He'll be responsible for internal training within 126 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:08,480 our department and he'll also be responsible for our high school training 127 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:13,440 program. Both of those uh operations will fall underneath that new rule is 128 00:09:10,399 --> 00:09:14,640 what we are putting out there. Mr. 129 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:20,560 Thank you, Mr. Council. Sharkies, I want one more 130 00:09:18,399 --> 00:09:24,880 step on yours. Would it potentially preclude down the road adding more 131 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:29,920 staff? And am I agree with you on that, Mr. 132 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:33,200 I'm concerned down the road we're going to have to have more people because I 133 00:09:31,519 --> 00:09:37,920 think we're under staff. We are under staff. I I think so too. 134 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:41,360 And will that preclude our ability I I support this. I'm not I'm not trying to 135 00:09:39,680 --> 00:09:45,839 judge that one. Down the road, we're going to have to resolve the problem of 136 00:09:44,560 --> 00:09:48,640 increased staff. What What's your comments on that? 137 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:51,360 That's my opinion. Well, the comment that I would give you 138 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,920 right now, no, it doesn't preclude us from adding more headcount down the 139 00:09:52,560 --> 00:09:59,040 road. It's just a matter of adding more people in the in the to payroll and we 140 00:09:56,560 --> 00:10:04,640 can certainly have those conversations. Right now, Ryan and I try to keep our 141 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:09,760 growth to around 3 or 4% on year-over-year budget. This will grow, 142 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:14,640 this pay scheme will grow. And adding that person between those two, we're 143 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:19,839 estimating or I'm estimating uh I think around eight or 9% to the uh maintenance 144 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:23,760 and operation of the budget of the fire department just with what we're 145 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:28,800 proposing here. But no, it does not preclude us from adding more headcount. 146 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:34,720 That's good because I know there's um a lot of folks that have left our service 147 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:40,399 for better opportunities elsewhere and and maybe in the process of doing so. 148 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:45,040 So, um you know, the pension is something that we really got to look at 149 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:48,399 and I know you you got some good steps here. 150 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:53,200 Chief, are you pretty much on board with this 151 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:56,800 with the proposed salary ordinance? So the conversations that the mayor and I 152 00:10:54,959 --> 00:11:03,120 have had quite a few this last week and a half and my topic that I've brought to 153 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:08,640 him is what can we do to close the gap? I understand we may not get dollar for 154 00:11:05,680 --> 00:11:13,040 dollar and pension parody but what can we do to close that gap to help with my 155 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:16,640 retention because of what you had just mentioned. 156 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:20,440 Okay. Thank you. It's a good step forward. 157 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:28,000 question. Uh, 158 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,760 is everybody ready? Roll call vote, please. And we do have a motion in the 159 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:31,600 second. Council member Coffee, 160 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,440 yes. Council member Olsson, 161 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:36,320 yes. Member Sharky, 162 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,680 yes. Member Dao, 163 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,760 yes. Member McDermott, 164 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:44,399 yes. Ordinance number 1782, 2025, an amending 165 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:49,680 the city of Angola code of ordinances, title 9, public peace, morale, and 166 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:54,959 welfare, chapter 9.05, 05 general offenses open burning. Uh Chief, you 167 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:56,800 want to I think you kind of drafted this. 168 00:11:55,440 --> 00:12:00,560 I will. I don't know what you have in your packets. If you've got a copy, our 169 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:08,240 original burn ordinance was established 1993 under Mayor Selman, Peg Bledsoe, 170 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:14,160 and Chief Meek. um what had happened to bring this up in conversation as we get 171 00:12:10,560 --> 00:12:19,279 into the spring of 2025. We noticed that the burn permit section 172 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:23,360 of which is part of our ordinance and part of the requirement for city 173 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:28,240 residents when people go on put in for a burn permit the system wouldn't 174 00:12:25,519 --> 00:12:33,200 functioning as intended. So we started digging into it. Mark was working on 175 00:12:30,079 --> 00:12:38,320 that started conversation with uh attorney Kim and 176 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:43,600 between the two of us I give him information from IDM I give him 177 00:12:40,639 --> 00:12:48,399 information the municipalities our size basically what this ordinance is doing 178 00:12:45,519 --> 00:12:52,800 it's taking the burn permit requirement out of the burn ordinance and kind of 179 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:58,800 putting it on the self-governance of our residents best example I can give you to 180 00:12:55,839 --> 00:13:03,440 to make this short is the night of high school graduation. I'm driving home. I 181 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:08,720 see eight different households with campfires in their backyard with no burn 182 00:13:05,839 --> 00:13:13,440 permits that have been submitted. So, were they doing anything wrong? No. They 183 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:18,399 were having fun, family, friends, celebrating the achievements of their 184 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:25,040 high school graduate, right? And so, after conversation with the mayor and 185 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:29,120 Ryan and Kim, it's like, I think we can revise this and I think we'll be okay. I 186 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:34,000 don't have people to go out and police it. If we was to leave it as it is, and 187 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:37,360 1993, it's time we take another look at it. So, 188 00:13:35,519 --> 00:13:40,880 and to your point, just having a burn permit doesn't mean they're going to 189 00:13:38,560 --> 00:13:45,680 follow this by the letter at all. Oh, I copy that. 190 00:13:42,959 --> 00:13:49,519 Yeah. I I I got you. I like it. I like it. 191 00:13:46,560 --> 00:13:52,880 I'm concerned, Bill. We've got a state statute 192 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:57,120 open burning of certain vegetation and wood items. No permit required. and it 193 00:13:55,440 --> 00:14:01,680 doesn't allow an exception in that that I can find. It says subject to 194 00:13:58,560 --> 00:14:05,600 subsection three of the chapter. And in subsection 3, there's no condition that 195 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:10,079 there's an alteration by a municipal pallet. I don't I I don't disagree with 196 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:15,519 what's here, but I don't know if we have authority to do that. I guess I'm 197 00:14:11,680 --> 00:14:20,240 turning to Mr. Sha on that by eliminating the section C. I'm not 198 00:14:17,519 --> 00:14:26,480 sure our section C was valid under this uh state statute because it required a 199 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:31,040 permit and and the the title 13 didn't require permit for those types of open 200 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:34,959 burning. So 1993 I couldn't tell you what the 201 00:14:33,279 --> 00:14:38,800 statute was and what the requirement was. I know authority having 202 00:14:36,399 --> 00:14:42,639 jurisdiction I looked at something new at one point because it's at the end of 203 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:46,880 the statute chief but I I don't remember and I didn't copy it here in what I 204 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:49,920 copied. Kim, do you got anything to say or you 205 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:54,720 want me to finish saying what I'm saying? Um, so authority having 206 00:14:52,480 --> 00:15:02,399 jurisdiction as long as we meet or exceed uh state statutes, we can enact 207 00:14:59,920 --> 00:15:06,320 for hometown jurisdiction, meaning the city of Angola. That's the way I'm in my 208 00:15:05,279 --> 00:15:11,440 position now. So you understand though, Chief, this 209 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:16,399 statute specifically says says one thing. subject to section three 210 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:22,480 of this chapter a person may and the only exception by the statute so that 211 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:26,560 that is a preclusion statute I think that says that even though we have home 212 00:15:24,399 --> 00:15:33,240 rule it's a preclusion statute subject to section three and section 3 doesn't 213 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:33,240 give us any power to do that 214 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:37,680 that's what I'm concerned about I'd like to see us table it till we can get a 215 00:15:37,279 --> 00:15:43,320 better legal advice on this one because this is 216 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:43,320 a little above me 217 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:52,480 The proposed statute prohibits burning of refu debris, 218 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:58,240 construction materials, excuse me, things of that nature with the exception 219 00:15:55,519 --> 00:16:04,160 of campfire type burns. 220 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:11,959 I I I don't believe the state statute that you're referring to in any way is 221 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,959 in conflict with that. 222 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:18,839 Your recommendation is passed. Yes. 223 00:16:19,279 --> 00:16:27,040 A motion move to approve. 224 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:31,079 Second motion to second. Any discussion? Was that second? Is it me? 225 00:16:31,519 --> 00:16:36,560 Hearing none. Roll call vote, please. Council member Coffee, 226 00:16:35,519 --> 00:16:41,600 no. Council member Olsen, 227 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:43,680 yes. Council member Shy, yes. 228 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:47,519 Council member Dao, yes. Council member Mcder, 229 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:51,600 yes. Okay. Public hearing regarding the 230 00:16:49,279 --> 00:16:57,279 proposed award of a public private agreement resolution number 2025891, 231 00:16:54,959 --> 00:17:02,160 a resolution of the city of Angola approving the award of build operate 232 00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:07,600 transfer contract with Kakosing Industries, Inc. Did I say that name 233 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:12,959 right? Uh, okay. Uh we will open the public hearing for this. If you'd like 234 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:17,880 to address the council, please make your way to the podium. 235 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:27,439 Seeing no one moving to the podium, we will close the public hearing and we 236 00:17:24,319 --> 00:17:32,240 will move on with the consideration of resolution 2025891. 237 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:36,559 Resolution City of Angola approving award of the build operate transfer 238 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:43,400 contract with Kakosi Industries Incorporated. 239 00:17:39,120 --> 00:17:43,400 Move that we approve the resolution. 240 00:17:44,559 --> 00:17:50,400 Second motion, a second. Any discussion? 241 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:51,760 Can you explain this resolution? 242 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:55,840 Yes, sir. It just really allows us to do this type 243 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:58,240 of work. It's probably the easiest way to 244 00:17:56,240 --> 00:18:02,000 for to enter into this type of the b style 245 00:18:01,120 --> 00:18:04,720 contract as as opposed to doing a bid. 246 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,320 Okay. Again, correct. 247 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:11,360 Okay. So, it's so it's only for proagen. 248 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:15,760 It's only for well this resolution allows us to do that the city to do that 249 00:18:13,919 --> 00:18:20,080 period. We are doing it for this pokeagen project 250 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:25,919 and both be water and sewer. Correct. 251 00:18:20,799 --> 00:18:32,559 Okay. So yes I just got around after pagan 252 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:40,080 activity is done contract. Okay it's preclusion. 253 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:43,840 Thanks sir Amanda I I'm trying to find where it was in here. It's in the 254 00:18:41,679 --> 00:18:48,240 project operating agreement as I read through this. They talk about part of 255 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:51,440 our guarantee is that we own the land but we don't own the land and we don't 256 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:55,200 own the easement. that's going out there. Isn't that the Stacy's one? That 257 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:58,799 was the only concerned me in what I read in all of it. 258 00:18:56,080 --> 00:19:02,720 So, that's the next one. So, I can either answer that now or wait till 259 00:19:01,039 --> 00:19:06,000 I thought that this one incorporated that next one. I didn't. 260 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:08,400 What we're on now is solely the rest of the Okay. 261 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:14,240 The next one is the actual agreement that that you 262 00:19:11,679 --> 00:19:16,559 Any further discussion? Roll call vote, please. 263 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,000 Council member Coffee? Yes. 264 00:19:17,039 --> 00:19:20,720 Council member Olsen? Yes. 265 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:23,200 Council member Shy? Yes. Council member Dao. Yes. Council member 266 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:26,240 Mcderman. Yes. 267 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:31,520 I request approval of the build, operate, transfer agreement for Pokeagen 268 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:36,320 Utility Project Division into construction with Kakosing Industry 269 00:19:33,679 --> 00:19:40,360 Incorporated for a guaranteed maximum amount of 17,274,800. 270 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:49,679 I move that we approve. Motion and second. Any discussion? So 271 00:19:48,559 --> 00:19:55,840 my question please. Your question. So the city will own the 272 00:19:52,320 --> 00:20:00,000 easements. There will be an agreement between the city and the DNR on the 273 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:02,400 splitting of ownership post construction. 274 00:20:00,799 --> 00:20:05,840 Okay. That's that's built in that we're going to get the ownership at least own 275 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:08,480 the easement. That's what I was concerned with. We 276 00:20:07,120 --> 00:20:11,840 were making a promise maybe we couldn't keep. And they're are they going to do 277 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:16,400 that before they start building or is that something? Okay. So that will be a 278 00:20:14,559 --> 00:20:22,880 separate agreement between the city and DNR because we're the applicant. The 279 00:20:19,679 --> 00:20:26,960 city can only be the only entity to go into an agreement with Kakosi. So that's 280 00:20:25,120 --> 00:20:30,000 why it's set up that way because of the funding mechanism. 281 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:34,559 We we will have our easement will be granted part of the ement 282 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:38,159 because the state owns they own that 100 feet or whatever it is, don't they? They 283 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:42,400 own that. It isn't just an easement. They own the property, don't they? that 284 00:20:41,120 --> 00:20:45,840 like in the park or No, I mean going from from who's your 285 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:49,760 hill out. They don't along the road. Those are easements the 286 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,880 city wall that will be outside of the writing. 287 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:54,320 Okay. But yes, 288 00:20:52,559 --> 00:20:58,080 the DOJ I'm sorry. 289 00:20:54,960 --> 00:21:00,960 Are the DOJ or extra 290 00:20:59,679 --> 00:21:02,880 ETJ? Yes. 291 00:21:01,679 --> 00:21:07,440 ETJ. Yeah. So, the easements along the road 292 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:12,799 are all to the favor of the city of Angola. And then once it gets to park 293 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:15,360 property, that's where that agreement between the city and the DNR will come 294 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,200 into play. Okay? 295 00:21:15,679 --> 00:21:20,400 Because the DNR will own Gotcha. infrastructure. 296 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:24,640 Got it. Now that makes sense to me. Thank you. 297 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:31,679 When do we think optimistically that we're going to see dirt fly? 298 00:21:28,799 --> 00:21:35,520 I can speak a little bit. Yep. Uh I'm Nathan Brun with Wesler Engineering. Um 299 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:39,760 we received an update from Kakosian today that they expect September 1st 300 00:21:38,159 --> 00:21:43,919 which I think is technically Labor Day. So, let's say September 2nd for them to 301 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,840 start actual construction operations. So, 302 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:51,840 start September 7 is where they start. 303 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:54,799 We have we've seen some preliminary schedules from them. I know there's a 304 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,799 lot of ground to cover there. I we'll have to talk with them a bit more on 305 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,600 specifics, but that's a great question. 306 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:03,360 Yeah, that's a great question. Where started? 307 00:22:01,679 --> 00:22:07,200 My best guess it would be that they would start at the south end and work 308 00:22:05,120 --> 00:22:10,960 north. just just start where they can tie on and progress north 309 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:14,159 towards the park. Yeah. Give or take September 1st. 310 00:22:12,559 --> 00:22:18,880 They're going to redo a lift start at Woodh Hall like redo that and then head 311 00:22:17,360 --> 00:22:22,159 north. Say on the sewer side. I know that I 312 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:24,640 would if I were them I would start at the Woodh Hall lift station just because 313 00:22:23,360 --> 00:22:26,960 that's what needs upsides first for everything north to come south. So 314 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,280 yeah. Yeah. 315 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:31,679 And it may be different crews because the crew that would work on the lift 316 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:35,760 station is probably different than the pipe crew. So they they may be in 317 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:38,159 parallel. Yeah, I can see that. 318 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:42,080 Yeah, could be doing both. 319 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:46,159 Are they likely to build the lift station first before they start the uh 320 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:49,280 bike aerial? Is that what you're saying? Where they so they're going to do all at 321 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:52,000 the same time? Like Lori stated, I think based on the 322 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:55,679 different crews, they might be working in parallel on those activities at the 323 00:22:53,840 --> 00:23:00,640 same time. I mean, they're going to have tons of people on site through the 324 00:22:57,120 --> 00:23:05,520 course of almost two years. So um a question that I have just what does 325 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:10,480 it mean when it says guaranteed maximum amount does that mean that change orders 326 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:17,600 won't change that amount or do change orders agreed upon change orders 327 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:22,080 will up it could be upped if it's a change in scope but what has been 328 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:26,080 submitted in the scoping letter that's the maximum so if scope doesn't change 329 00:23:25,120 --> 00:23:30,880 price doesn't change and that 17 million did have the half a 330 00:23:28,799 --> 00:23:36,480 million contingency built in. Is that in that number too? Can't remember. 331 00:23:32,799 --> 00:23:39,039 Yes, that includes uh $550,000 of built-in contingency. 332 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:44,159 Yes. And I saw somewhere in there there's a 333 00:23:41,919 --> 00:23:48,159 um and maybe it was in the engineering piece there was like a rate schedule. I 334 00:23:46,799 --> 00:23:52,080 know there's a bunch of rate schedules, but there was one of them that said it 335 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:58,080 was a rate schedule that's set up between 24 2024 and 2025 adjusted in 336 00:23:56,240 --> 00:24:03,440 April, which would mean that the rate schedule is not correct. 337 00:24:01,120 --> 00:24:06,799 So, I I'm just wondering if we're basing what we're basing numbers off of that 338 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:12,159 rate schedule is not correct. That's in our packet. It's towards the end and it 339 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:14,559 has like an F and B or an F and E at the bottom. 340 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:20,159 So, those are Yeah. later on. But that is for um 341 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:23,919 construction admin and construction inspection. I guess you can speak on if 342 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:28,000 you those are accurate. Yeah. So it's fleece and bandon break 343 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:36,000 the FNV and that's for the drinking and water project and um our um 344 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:41,120 everything's hourly rate not to exceed is is the basis. So, um, we'll we'll 345 00:24:39,279 --> 00:24:46,960 build on an hourly rate through that, but we we have a not to exceed without 346 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:51,520 scope change in our contract as well. So, that rate that's that's in our 347 00:24:49,039 --> 00:24:52,640 packet, that's this what it's being worked off of. 348 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:53,919 Yes. As far as rates, 349 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,760 yes, that was all it caught me in that note 350 00:24:56,159 --> 00:25:00,799 at the bottom. Yeah. 351 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:05,200 Okay, I'm cool. Thank you. Any further discussion? 352 00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:07,279 Roll call bill, please. Council member coffee. 353 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,360 Yes. Council member Olsson, yes. 354 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,960 Council member Shy, yes. 355 00:25:09,919 --> 00:25:12,480 Council member Dao, yes. 356 00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:15,480 Council member McNervis, yes. 357 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:26,240 request approval of agreement for focusing utility project divisions one 358 00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:30,960 and two resident project representation services and and division 2 construction 359 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:35,159 administration services with west engineering in the amount of 924,700 360 00:25:35,919 --> 00:25:40,200 to approve second 361 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,240 discussion 362 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,200 hearing none Call vote, please. Member Coffee, 363 00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:48,480 yes. Member Bolson, 364 00:25:48,159 --> 00:25:50,880 yes. Member Sari, 365 00:25:49,919 --> 00:25:51,679 yes. Da, 366 00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:55,720 yes. Member McDermott, 367 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,720 yes. 368 00:25:55,760 --> 00:26:03,440 Okay. Request approval of the Pokeagan uh utility project Division 1 369 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:10,360 construction administration services agreement with Fleece and Vanderbrink in 370 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,360 the amount of $225,000. 371 00:26:10,559 --> 00:26:16,559 Move to approve. Second. Motion to second. Any 372 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:18,720 discussion? Roll call vote, please. 373 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,840 Member Coffee, yes. 374 00:26:19,039 --> 00:26:21,600 Member Olsen, yes. 375 00:26:20,159 --> 00:26:23,039 Member Sharky, yes. 376 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,480 Member Dao, yes. 377 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,279 Member Mcderman, yes. 378 00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:30,559 Request approval of the McCagen Utility Project Division 3 construction 379 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:37,600 administration service agreement with West Engineering in the amount of 225. 380 00:26:34,799 --> 00:26:40,960 Did I? Yeah. $225,000. Move to approve. 381 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:43,279 Second. I do have one question now. Go ahead, 382 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:48,559 please. Um, division three. Is there a division 383 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:55,039 three and four? I couldn't remember. Where's four at in all this? 384 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:59,679 Um, division four is the water tower repainting and um we are handling that. 385 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,600 Okay. Okay. Got it. 386 00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:06,000 I'm good. I don't Mayor I don't believe the 387 00:27:04,159 --> 00:27:09,600 225,000 is correct. That didn't sound right for some reason. 388 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:13,039 I was kind of hesitated copied from the other one. Yeah, it 389 00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:16,400 looks like a copy paste. Uh, 390 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:19,679 that was kind of what I was thinking. That's why I had 391 00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:24,640 Yeah, it was more it was significantly less than that amount. I don't know if 392 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:29,039 the exact number in my head, but um more it may maybe more in the 40 or 50. 393 00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:30,080 It was 40,000. Yeah, 394 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,520 total maybe 40 even just for CA. 395 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:36,799 You're complaining about the higher number. Is that what you think? 396 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,760 Got to print out the whole thing. Uh let's let's nail the number down 397 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:44,240 though. Let's make sure it is 398 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:49,880 40,000. Okay. Request approval uh in the amount of 40,000. 399 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,880 Yes. 400 00:27:52,880 --> 00:28:00,480 So seconded. All right. Uh any other discussion? 401 00:27:58,159 --> 00:28:01,520 Roll call vote, please. Yes. 402 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,520 Rollen. Yes. 403 00:28:01,919 --> 00:28:05,360 Member Shy. Yes. 404 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,679 Member Dao. Yes. Member Mcder. 405 00:28:06,399 --> 00:28:12,080 Yes. reports. Brian, what do you got? 406 00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:19,200 Um, we had pre-closing last week for all of 407 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:22,720 the bonds and and grants and uh bond anticipation notes associated with all 408 00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:27,679 these projects that we just approved contracts for. The closing is set for 409 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:31,840 tomorrow. So, funds will be transferred tomorrow 410 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:34,559 and we should be all set to go after that. So, 411 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:38,960 that's all I've got. Jim, no report, Mr. Mass. Mr. River. 412 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,720 Nothing, sir. What's going on in the water department? 413 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:45,520 Nothing, mayor. Not a thing, huh? 414 00:28:43,679 --> 00:28:48,080 Not a thing. Going well. 415 00:28:46,559 --> 00:28:53,120 Everything's flowing well. He He He's always smiling even though a 416 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:58,480 semitr dropped through the valves for one of your water tower as a guy was 417 00:28:55,440 --> 00:29:03,440 trying to get around the detour for the parade. Uh, fortunately, he did not 418 00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:06,720 break the pipes. It would have been a interesting experience if he 419 00:29:05,039 --> 00:29:11,360 It have been a wet one. It would have been it was right next to the Jackson 420 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:15,279 Street water tower and it's the main feed for the water tower and it would 421 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:19,279 have made one heck of a water park. 422 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,320 Well, it would have been it would have been a splash pad on steroid. It 423 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:26,320 probably would have lifted the truck right out of the 424 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,600 uh chief. You got anything for us? No report. 425 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,840 So, no, sir. 426 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:37,679 No report. And uh Chief Council, h happy to report that uh 427 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:45,440 the camera system that we have installed in our police vehicles, they installed 428 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:49,760 20 of them uh have all been installed and they are all currently working 429 00:29:48,159 --> 00:29:52,640 and people are happy and people are happy because it's 430 00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:58,080 actually functioning the way it should. So, so far it has been a good decision 431 00:29:55,200 --> 00:30:02,480 and a good move on our part. The techn I was over and watched the technology 432 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:06,640 is is absolutely amazing. You can see where the cars are. You can actually see 433 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:10,960 a feed in the dispatch of what the car is saying. 434 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:14,080 It's it's Yeah, it's a it's a neat neat system and appears to be working 100%. 435 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,760 Correct. Very pleased with that. Anything else, 436 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:21,360 Chief? No, sir. Request approval of allowance 437 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:26,679 accounts payable voucher 74,932 through 74,243 438 00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:26,679 totaling 1,8,455 439 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:33,039 and one lonely penny. I move that the bills be paid. 440 00:30:32,399 --> 00:30:36,080 Second. Motion to second. Roll call, please. 441 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,520 Member Coffee, yes. 442 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,320 Member Olson, yes. 443 00:30:38,159 --> 00:30:42,000 Member Shy, yes. 444 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:46,880 Member Dao, yes. Member McDner, 445 00:30:43,039 --> 00:30:51,840 yes. Anybody have any other visits for this evening? 446 00:30:48,159 --> 00:30:58,320 Yes, I do. I was on here when you were able to paint the crosswalks over at Car 447 00:30:54,720 --> 00:31:04,880 Park and so forth and I I think my doctor imposed walk every morning and I 448 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:09,440 I was I was walking here the other day and there was a girl on a bike wanted to 449 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:13,039 cross there and cars are just sitting right past 450 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:17,440 because there's no crossing car. And then I go home and over by our house 451 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:21,840 subdivision there's we got the lights and night and I'm thinking I'm hearing 452 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:25,600 how dangerous it is for the crossing guards. 453 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:34,480 Is there any way we can look into putting lights right there and down on 454 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:38,240 Wayne Street to make it even safer? We have looked at those and I will let 455 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:43,200 uh Chief Whitm actually that was something that uh Chad 456 00:31:40,159 --> 00:31:48,640 and I just spoke of and we're actually going to be making contact with our 457 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:53,039 electrical provider that has the big big lights, not just the street light that 458 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:57,360 everyone has, but maybe flood lights or something that will actually illuminate 459 00:31:55,039 --> 00:32:02,240 the entire area a lot better than what it currently is doing. The nice part 460 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:07,200 about Carlin, it looks like there is a location that we could mount two over 461 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:12,320 that area. Uh, South Wayne, it looks like there may be only one option, but 462 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:16,559 uh, we are definitely looking into those with the additional painting and 463 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:20,159 everything else. South Wayne is by far one of our most dangerous intersections 464 00:32:18,159 --> 00:32:23,120 that we have, especially for crossing guards. So, uh, that is something we are 465 00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:26,080 looking at. Exactly. I I was watching this poor 466 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,399 girl. She was waiting, cars are just zipping past. They're like nothing. than 467 00:32:27,679 --> 00:32:33,600 I might. Well, mind you, I've been at the bicycle 468 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:37,519 crossing at Menard's and and Meyer and it's flashing like crazy and they and 469 00:32:35,679 --> 00:32:40,399 the top of the hill or there's a red light and they still pay no attention. 470 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:45,760 That's that's just human nature. But then but you're but you're at 471 00:32:42,159 --> 00:32:49,200 hospital you pop the thing and and you go come through. There's nothing for 472 00:32:47,679 --> 00:32:54,080 those kids to do that. They're just they're hoping I guess hope that the 473 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:57,840 cross does seem to work down west with the knowledge by 474 00:32:56,799 --> 00:33:01,919 the old church. We haven't looked into those yet. This 475 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:06,000 is this is just additional. I would like I I I guess I'd like to 476 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:11,519 have that looked into because if we're putting one there for the crossing for 477 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:17,360 the the water park area, which I surely the kids would go to school 478 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:21,279 or playground, do we know what that cost? you talked about for the lights 479 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:26,240 there at the Yeah, we had looked into doing that um 480 00:33:23,679 --> 00:33:30,080 at the library maybe one to two years ago and it was around the 15 to $20,000 481 00:33:29,679 --> 00:33:35,200 range. Now, is that should be similar to the 482 00:33:32,559 --> 00:33:36,480 one that is near the new location of the water park? 483 00:33:35,919 --> 00:33:37,360 Yes. Okay. 484 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,760 Yes. Similar similar. 485 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:43,279 That's not the one by mine. That's the one you try to go across hardcourt. 486 00:33:41,919 --> 00:33:45,360 We're talking one by me. One by you. 487 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:49,039 Okay. That's I'm thinking we're looking at because it's got to be something. 488 00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:51,760 Pricing is not that anymore. Well, at our church, we 489 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,519 I'm just concerned about the safety issue. 490 00:33:52,159 --> 00:33:57,600 We've been looking at that at our church and having the signal so it can be read 491 00:33:55,760 --> 00:34:02,880 depending on either way the traffic is coming. It's a 35 to $40,000 bill. 492 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:06,799 Just to give you an idea, I'm also concerned about some little 493 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:09,520 kids. What's the value that that child? Yep. 494 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:13,359 Just as we're talking about, we have an idea what 495 00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:14,960 might cost in a budget to do it. Well, look at 496 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:18,480 schools aren't going to have money to contribute. I can tell you that. 497 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:21,760 It's not something they've contributed to in the past. 498 00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:26,000 They definitely won't now with with the budget. It affects them the most. 499 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:30,079 They're in worse shape than we're working. 500 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:35,839 Uh any other new business? Hearing none. The next council meeting 501 00:34:31,359 --> 00:34:39,960 will be Monday, July 21st, 2025. We are ajourned. Thank you. 502 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:49,040 See you in September. You know it. Thanks for nonetheless. So they're not 503 00:34:46,879 --> 00:34:49,040 me.