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No, no.

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I'm training for our.

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I just released.

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I'll be voting tonight, despite the fact that I'm the chair tonight, Mr. Volta, because

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the town is missing one meeting. I think he's missed four and 16 years. So as president

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of the council I'm filling in for him tonight and I will be voting. That's nice.

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Here's

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A present.

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Please stand for the pleasure of leaving the

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states of America, and we'll be hearing all

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of you.

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One of the nation under the eye, the individual, the liberty and justice for all of you.

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We'll have just a moment of final touch, please.

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Next up, the agenda is approval of the minutes through August 12, 2026.

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Are there any additions or corrections to the minutes from August 12th?

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I'm sorry, get so much tape, Roy, you know what I'm saying, you have a question to ask.

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Please email them to all of you.

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There wasn't.

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Okay.

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I didn't.

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Maybe I clicked it off on the stick.

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Yeah.

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They will email.

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Okay.

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That's fine.

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Thank you.

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It's never second.

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Second.

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It's been moved in seconds.

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It's been moved in seconds.

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It's been moved in seconds.

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It's been moved in seconds.

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It's been moved in seconds.

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It's been moved in seconds.

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It's been moved in seconds.

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question, all in favor, please signify by saying aye.

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Aye.

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Opposed?

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No, I just haven't the minutes from August 12th are approved.

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And now we'll open the public hearings,

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public hearings for zoning amendment application

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for 9.50 pine street, that's parcel under 201-2128.

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To classify the property as R3,

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two family resident district, and a bit of D1,

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Maybe a good shopping district will allow for sale of property as a residential instead of this.

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For

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anyone that wishes to speak about this property here.

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There's not but someone make a motion to hold it over here.

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Thank you.

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Two more times.

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Okay.

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I'll say twice more.

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Sorry.

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I'm not sure that's a record, but I'll say it.

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Is there anyone else that wishes to speak in regard to the zoning application for 9.35?

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If anyone wishes to speak about the zoning app amendment application for 9.35, you get not.

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I'll make a motion.

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Next time I list is public comment the time limit of five minutes unless otherwise approved by the council.

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Anyone that is too people who wish to make public comment.

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I go through it and I

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will protect your side.

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mean, I'm speaking for my friend Paul Grindy, who is not able to be here tonight, but I am reading

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whatever message that he wrote, okay. So speaking as Paul, I have traveled the downtown

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5th Avenue several times per week since 1995. I am baffled that someone would think it's safer

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to cross seventh and superior by the flashing lights that many drivers just blow through rather

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than the stop lights at this avenue or even worse crossing with no lights. Those of us that

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ride three wheel bikes will tell you that they are very difficult to walk. In addition, most

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that ride three wheel bikes have mobility problems and walking anything is a problem. We will be banned

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from the downtown. I have been a member of the geeseers nearly 15 years. I have never felt

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unsafe at our meet-up place. We have enough parking for those that haul their bikes in, room together

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for those that ride their bikes in. Bathroom is available before and after the ride and a place

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to socialize after the ride. What are we trying to fix? I have not seen anything that will deal with

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that people doing unsafe things on the walking trails.

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My concern is that we handle that like we do

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when a few people damage the public bathrooms.

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I, E, shut it down for everyone.

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The one thing that I have not heard

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that will improve safety is require helmets.

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Isn't it interesting that we have an answer

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that will really make a difference

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and that's not even discussed?

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Thank you.

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I'm not a resident of the city of Anago, but I own property and am a taxpayer here in

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the city.

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And I'm an avid biker.

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The attention to the ordinance came about mostly because I've heard so many comments

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from people about the scooters and motorized

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sites that are zooming through intersections

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and causing safety problems.

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So when I started looking into it

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and I got a copy of that before the school ordinance,

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thank you to Michael Wetzel and Chief Gil Pursnick

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and Sarah Wrett for meeting with me

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so I can better understand what's being proposed.

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So I applaud all the people at least coming forward

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and doing something quickly because I'm

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hearing that somebody's going to be injured terribly or worse. The scooters and some e-vikes

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and some abusers of those vehicles are running through intersections. I live over on the

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east side of town by city park and it's it's just awful when you see them. Morning and

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at night, sometimes at night with no lights on and there's just no wind and there's no control.

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A couple things in the ordinance, I just want to point out that so everyone's hoping

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that all of you read the ordinance, I know it can be boring, but what you have to understand

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too is that they classify bikes by state stations of class one, two, and three.

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And I actually have an electric assist bike that's a class 3 electric assist bike.

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And I'm an advocate of electric assist bikes and what I tell people is if I stop pedaling

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I'm going to fall over period.

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So everyone needs to get their head around the electric assist bikes, class 1 and 3 are bikes

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that you have to pedal.

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You can't not just stop pedaling.

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I mean, that class 2 bike, if I'm looking at this the right way, Joel help me out, is

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you basically have a thrive, just like a mini bike, and when you want to go, you pull

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you pull the lever and the way you go, and those are the ones that are causing problems,

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I mean scooters and bikes.

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Yesterday afternoon, I was walking on the trail, the boardwalk trail, and sure enough,

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their three kids went through and one of them was on what I would call a motorbike.

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It might have met the classification of a class to bike, didn't have to pedal

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because as they came up to that little hill that comes to Clark Pumana they just

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went right up the hill, not going to run at all. So I appreciate that you're trying to

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to regulate the bicycles, the e-bikes, the scooters.

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You've got to do something.

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Meeting with staff, it sounds like this is a starting point

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and they're willing to look more in detail

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to find it over the winter months, which is good.

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I just hope you find the balance between people like me

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and I don't like to persist by it.

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When it says it goes 28 miles an hour,

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I have had it going 28 miles an hour,

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but then I can't pedal any faster

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to get it going in the past. So people need to realize that kind of thing.

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Find that balance between the ones that are all there,

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abusing and and people like me that try to follow all the safety

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rules. I'll also put a plug-in for

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I'm a member of the Ango Bike and Ski Club. The Geezer's group is a

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part of the Bike and Ski Club and many of you might know that we're in the

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of that has, for 30 plus years, done all the maintenance and enhancement of the

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Guardsky-Plowitz cross-country ski, hiking and biking trails. And so we've been in

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this business a long time. Sarah provided me again with a copy of the bike

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relic maps. We were one of the clubs that was involved in getting that map done, so

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people would follow St. Charlotte's around town. So I'm hoping that all of you kind of

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keep this in mind that you got to address the problems.

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Chief has assured me that he doesn't have, I believe, one year too.

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He doesn't have the time and resources to pull over someone like me

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that I'm at being rock flicks like.

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But we have to get that across to people too because

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organises are ordinances and sometimes you just got to get some

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something on the books so that your enforcement people are able to go forward.

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So, thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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Thanks, public comments.

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We'll take in a consideration when discussing the

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or the answers to your advice.

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Thank you.

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Okay.

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Let's move on to the consent.

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There are no committee reports.

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We'll move on to the consent agenda.

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The consent agenda.

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The resolution number is 56.26.

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contract with this one of those fireworks with 2027, 5726.

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The legend transfer of up to $45,000 in the votes account to heavy trucks with purchase

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of a tandem truck.

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58-26.

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You pair a wastewater treatment plant equivalent fund.

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59-26.

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You pair a water plant ballistic pump.

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60-26.

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You place on a wastewater treatment plant lower number five.

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61, 26 inspection of waste water treatment.

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Land-moved disinfection system.

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And 62, 26 lines, slowly handling requests for fits.

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Those are the items that are to be considered

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to be considered to be a motion of the top.

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I'd like to say, I'd like to remove 57, 26 pieces.

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Okay, so it also includes department manager reports as well, okay, okay, anything else that should be legal.

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Let's vote on those that we all agree on.

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26, 26, 26, 26, 26, 26, 26, 26, 26.

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So, promotion to adopt a concert agenda.

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Second.

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Second.

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Second.

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Moving second into adopt a concert in genuine,

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less, the resolution of the 70th and 70th and 26th.

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All those that came in second, five are saying,

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Adam.

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I will follow.

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Roll call.

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Okay.

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When you're going to have to vote on your,

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can vote.

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Do you hear something like a vote?

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I'll vote on the gas.

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9-0.

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Okay.

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The agenda item now is the budget transfer of the $45,000.

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The report account to heavy trucks to heavy trucks or bridges of a tent of truck.

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Questioning about the condition of the roof as far as we have had the roof repaired, and

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if that was the reason for an excessive amount in that account, I have not seen a report

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on what the problem were in the roof and what we're going to do to correct it for the

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So, one or three years ago, we had a problem with a lot of moisture in our building, but we thought we needed to do growth.

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But we brought in an engineer, a havoc engineer, and he recommended that we raise the heat and run our air exchanger a lot more.

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But prior to that, I had moved the money from a salt sand building to that because I thought that the roof was bad.

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And I needed to move the money so that we could face the roof of it.

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That's where it's always been. So, that's why it's there. So, you know, actually some day I'll move it back over and put it in the salt hand shed because we have now added more time on our air exchanger, which takes the moisture. The moisture was kind of sending on the end of the building and dripping down. And we thought that we had a bigger problem than what we actually had. So, in the last three years, we have kind of fixed that problem, but that just never got me.

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I'm going to talk to that out.

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We approved number 5726.

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The budget transfer of the $47,000.

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Okay, there's a second.

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The motion is seconded, that we adopt the budget transfer of the $45,000.

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Now there's a growth account to heavy trucks through the purchase of a tandem truck.

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Any clue in the discussion?

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I just got one question.

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What is a tandem truck?

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It's one of our dumb trucks from Holland,

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and gravel, black snow, this is a small version of what you see.

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Okay.

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We'll move on to the new business, the ordinances, the revision of Section 42-167,

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in control of the Postural Race Direction

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to public silver's regarding streets traps.

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So this was the item that the move for last month's agenda,

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the ordinance was not ready,

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and I also wanted to have a list of all greased trap owners

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to include for the council as well as a copy of the board

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of the notice will be made on all streets trap owners.

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Should this be a proof?

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Otherwise, I mean, if this was approved by the public works

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and that's a lie.

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And again, this is just looking to get a call in a baby step toward enforcement, just

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cutting down on the amount of grease and fats that oil is making its way to put waste

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better treatment, which is overtaxing our various mechanical systems and assets.

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I'll

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make

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a motion to adopt 1388 be to approve to approve. Yes, the section 42167 of the Industrial

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to waste for a free stretch.

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Okay, any good discussion?

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It's not a whole figure.

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Say hi.

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Hi.

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Oh, it's not a tool.

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Hi.

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Hi again.

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Can I talk that?

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That's my mom.

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Of course.

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It's so exciting.

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Thank you.

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Oh, you're welcome.

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Thank you.

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9-0.

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That's right.

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I'm going to talk that.

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Okay.

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I'm from 1-3-9-E.

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Approved zoning appendent application requests to amend ordinance number 1095 be the municipal

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code of vicinity of anecdotes to ask the class what the property of 950 behind street

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cars will number 201-121-2128 as our treat to family residents district instead of be one

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neighborhood shopping to allow for the sale of property as the residents instead of a business.

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I'm

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prepared to make a motion to accept and adopt 1389P to approve the zoning amendment.

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I'll second.

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But move the second that we approve the zoning amendment application request to amend the ordinance number 1095B, the municipal code.

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To classify, we're probably at 959th Street as R3 to family residents instead of B1. Any further discussion?

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Is that the place that used to be a store on that corner of delicacies and that's why

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they need to change it because I remember it being a store like 60 years ago.

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Any further discussion?

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That's not a little bit.

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Almost in favor.

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Say aye.

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Okay,

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let's

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move on to 139-0-D. Approved convention of sections 38-302-38-304-38-306-38-308-308 bicycles and safety and close to cars.

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definition of operation of bicycles, elected bicycles, elected motorized

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devices, elected scooters, and personal assisted mobility devices.

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This is, I guess I'd like to leave on, but I am probably, I like, I like biking myself,

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I like cyclists, I like having a lightly cycling community.

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This is not about trying to punish any of what this is, I guess the goal behind this

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ordinance was threefold. Number one was, the ordinance was not intended to correct

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all instances of what I'll call a wooleanism. That may correct me if I'm wrong

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chief, but I mean riding bikes unsafely on trails and on the streets and

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on sidewalks is already illegal. It's a matter of enforcement, which we can't have

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officers everywhere at all times. People are going to get away with what they can

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get away with. You know, regarding helmets that was not addressed in the ordinance

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because kids need to be allowed to do stupid things on bikes, including not wearing helmets.

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And the opinion of staff and administration is that it's when kids,

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riders, operators start to endanger other people through their actions that the city needs to get involved.

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Wearing a helmet is, if we start handing helmets, if we start to see an uptick in injuries,

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do we start candy, double pads, knee pads, you know, at what point do we draw on the line

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where what do we call, what is victory in that center?

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And I, I don't have an intention for the city to become what I'll call an interesting

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for the city operates like an overprotective parent towards his residence.

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The second item with this is it's meant to put a, I want to draw attention to the function

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of public infrastructure, which is that sidewalks were always intended for pedestrians for some

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with the general task of a single person moving at a speed of under five or six miles per hour.

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The men will be starting adding things that are slightly larger or slightly faster.

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Now we're upsetting the balance of the public right-of-way between the motorized vehicles and what

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pedestrians are doing.

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The value question I ask is in the scenario where we have, let's say, a three-wheel

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pedal assist, bicycle going down the street, and the mother with the double stroller coming down

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and the other, the same sidewalk,

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who needs to step into the traffic

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to make room for the other.

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To make a little less dramatic one,

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same bike rider, a couple holding hands.

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The point, when I look at that example,

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I go sidewalks were made for the pedestrians

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to be out, safely in the same right-of-way

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as motorized vehicles.

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And to that point, you know, bicycles

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do occupy an awkward middle ground

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of having the relative size and profile

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of the pedestrian, but the relative speed

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of all the right vehicle. To me, that means that infrastructure needs to be designed around their

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use. They're vitally, which we currently don't have in downtown America. Right now, we don't have

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the ability to accommodate through angle parking of the various intersections. The third one is that I'm

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not going to advocate for any ordinance that we don't have the intention of enforcing. And as it is,

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I don't want the anti-go PD going on. I don't think Chief wants to see. They're going up to kids on

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bikes and asking them, you know, do you have a driver's license? Where is your helmet?

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Do you have this? Because that is not going to create a positive impression of our law enforcement officers

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on the community or kids we want to make the community safe, but we also want to have a positive

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opinion of our law enforcement. I don't want them doing things that are going to jeopardize

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that's a condition because this is an arrow piper-scrutely of that sort of thing.

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This

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is a contentious issue at this point,

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and so the other thing I want to emphasize

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with this is this is not when

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the ordinance was being written, I made sure it was clearly

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marked and designated, and that's because I do want points in downtown, but we can't just

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look at problems isolated from everything else going on.

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I think there would be a negative trickle down effect to not be either going farther than this resistance is going or not going far enough.

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There are, you know, speaking, looking at other communities that have done work, it's like this that are trying to enact more age based restrictions.

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There have their legal counsels raised questions about, you know, it's unclear if this can legally be enforced.

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If the state has laws, separate laws for age 12 and under, but we start getting a little

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bit older.

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It's not as clear-cut according to other units.

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And so this is what informed of this,

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and that was what it led with the staff to make

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this recommendation.

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Never read the coordinates before this.

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Now I read it a few times, but I used to take my truck bicycle with just 27 speeds and

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to school right down, right down to how the people were late.

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This doesn't allow that.

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Now unless there's a bike link.

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Okay, but I could up to this point.

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I guess.

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Now on the sidewalk.

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Now on the sidewalk.

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Never ride on the sidewalk, so.

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So this is the change.

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This is a change.

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And to clarify, this is in alignment with the city's established,

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as a bike city, our formal bike route that was adopted in 2014.

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It does not go down to have new ones against Lincoln or George.

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It moves on to 4th and 7th.

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I can't speak to why that was done, but I know that it was done.

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It was approved, and that is the current opinion of the city.

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The current stance of this city, I should say, based on previous ones.

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Who has this been reviewed by?

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Ms. Ordinance?

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Yes.

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This is the main people working on it

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where myself, Chief Who's Nick,

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and then Sarah Rack joined in as well.

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Do you think maybe they should be some people

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from the outside, because it's a good point,

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I think 16 and another are a lot of the violators.

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You know, you have people writing likes coming at you,

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they don't realize it, so I think one of mine is I.

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I killed myself.

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Okay.

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So I mean, I saw this was on here, but I just agreed it.

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and as Gary K. Red from Mr. Rodriguez.

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So the library is the main point, and these are adults.

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But even for myself, if I want to write my back

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from my house to the where I work, I'm going to have issues.

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And I have staff who work on 10th Ave,

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and they're also going to have issues.

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So it is, I understand the point.

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And I don't ideally ride downtown with the parking

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the way it is before it was much easier. But Claremont is a light. So from where I live,

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if I want to loop, I'm going to come out of the library and I'm going to use the light

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as a vehicle in the lane to crash. So if you're going to establish that there is a bike lane,

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then you need to create a bike lane because I know there are a lot of individuals who only means

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of getting around is a bike.

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And this intersection impacts the library

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where they are regularly going.

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And that's the same for the old geezers.

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They meet at the library and use the light.

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I can see kids because there are a lot of kids

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who ride stupid during that intersection.

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They go against the light.

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I myself do not always wear a helmet in tap.

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I wear it on the road.

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I don't know where it didn't have your result you had to make a choice and you don't want accidents, but

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writing a bike as a vehicle in the highway you're subject to the same laws. If you don't have a bike lane

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that is the only intersection downtown and for anyone around this square

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that's it. Even if that's where to go out the parking lot it's gonna go out the parking lot in

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64 because he values the lake to get across to get 10 because crossing anywhere else is not

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safe.

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So this intersection of not having anything at Claremont in fifth from fourth to sixth

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is going to impact a lot of people's accessible transportation around town.

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Kids?

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No.

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There's, I mean, even if you're coming from the middle school, if there are ways to all around

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and they're going to, they're going to spend as much as passed anyways.

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But for adults, that intersection, having that as a no-bygones,

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is going to limit accessible transportation.

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It's not that you're not allowed to have a bike donk.

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I would say you're not allowed to operate the bike donk.

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You can walk the bike across the intersection.

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This is an outline of bike existing, and it's just not within operation.

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If I wanted to go out for it and...

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Turn for work, in winter, I have a fat bike, and basically walks through my bike door. We're going down for. Until I get to third month and then it's still going around. Access from fourth.

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If I turn that thing on the parking lot, I think you can't access the market. Yes. And originally, when this citywide bike route was put into place, the reason that that fourth avenue route was was was put into the route.

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It's because you have that bag access to the parking lots and the businesses without having to be on fifth avenue, which is not designed currently, currently for bicycles.

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And it is unsafe.

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And the reason that it goes down along the seventh is because we already had an identified route for our students that were crossing back and forth.

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I'm 45 with the assistance of crossing guards during school and we worked and received

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funding from the hospital to put in rapid flashing beacons we also have the boys and girls

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collaborate there. So those intersections and crossings were thought out so that it was

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meeting the needs for the greater population still providing the most amount of safety to

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the greater population and identifying that unfortunately we just didn't have a well-designed

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downtown four bicycles and we were optimistic and hopeful that that would have been included

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in the new design, however it wasn't. So those routes still are the citywide and identified

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bike routes with the consideration that you can hop off, walk your bike, although not ideal

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if you're on a trite bike you still have the option to take those alternative routes

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that are safer. You're now going to imagine that's the only intersection which makes it easier

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to cross. I don't care about riding a bike downtown. I'm not riding a bike downtown. It's been

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driving downtown without in your car because of the way parking is an oversized vehicle and you can't

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but you are forcing people to go around how are you going to educate them all but that's the

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route they want to take. So we do have the signage that the community donated to her and it was

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installed in the Angle-Bikensky and Angle Optimus. There's Becky at the whole brochure.

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Is there going to be signs on the street?

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Okay, so we'll know that it will go by itself.

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We currently have signage that's on the side of us.

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I think the sidewalk's always no issue.

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I think we have objections to it,

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and I recognize that, but we need to move on.

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It typically is a thunderous public comment.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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If you had permission of the council,

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so you know, doing the ordinance,

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I think it's a really good ordinance,

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But I think we need some community input, but what are we about to do anything like this?

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You know, there's some very valid questions, I think those under 16, I think those

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of where the lot of need to apply more than the adults, so I can have some issues with the

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ordinance.

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In that regard, just the fact that it needs to be efficient, they review nice community members.

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we should have a community review on yet before we adopt it.

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I don't think we're ready to do that, Kim.

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And I guess the question I have,

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don't maybe even help with this.

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I have to eat next to once our water rise,

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fully water rise to once to 20.

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Did we have a lot of issues?

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No, I mean, we've always had issues

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with bicycles downtown and specifically on the sidewalks,

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whether there was a sign or not, frankly,

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There's always been people that have used sidewalks, but I mean I don't think it was a huge issue for us, or at least it wasn't

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raw to our attention as much as it is being now.

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Because I guess as a person trying to live downtown walking, I never noticed as much of an issue as I have a

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recent with these motorized things I zoomed by like a motor scooter. I don't know if it's because I'm

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getting older and I don't see things as quickly or my reactions aren't as quickly but I never

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noticed that being much of a problem as I was wondering you are. Should we address this? In segments,

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you know the ones that are fully motorized. Again, I'm just playing devil's actor.

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Yes,

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asking about why it happened. Now, we've had more bounce on businesses open up recently.

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Can you mention her there? It's been come more of a problem just for the owner. They're

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trying to walk away from store to store going to any of my fifth avenue because now we

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have like six or seven fairly new businesses and see more foot traffic. As far as saying

474
00:35:13,350 --> 00:35:17,250
children are ones doing them both to bike rate. I've been down to many times. There's people

475
00:35:17,250 --> 00:35:23,550
my age are 40s, 50s, they have no problem going down that on a penalty and as fast as they can go.

476
00:35:24,530 --> 00:35:29,010
And it's been an issue in the last year and a half, two years I would say, I've brought

477
00:35:29,010 --> 00:35:34,830
brought to Joe's attention a while back. And that's what kind of prompts it. You might suggest

478
00:35:34,830 --> 00:35:40,490
me the worst, because they can really go. These scooters are bad too because they go right

479
00:35:40,490 --> 00:35:44,390
wrong. Matter of fact, one day I was walking down there. I came on to the Cooper's mercantile,

480
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:48,330
stuff in front of an e-scooter. Well, they're black marks for me in the sky.

481
00:35:48,850 --> 00:35:52,390
How they stop because they're going to get a problem if they don't.

482
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:56,690
So it is an issue down there. I know maybe we need

483
00:35:56,690 --> 00:36:00,150
to tweak a little bit as we go along, but I think we should

484
00:36:00,150 --> 00:36:04,010
doubt that now and see what needs to be done as we go along.

485
00:36:04,590 --> 00:36:08,350
I agree. I look at it. I believe this is a

486
00:36:08,350 --> 00:36:11,650
starter, but we're going to be investing this again and again. I'm sure.

487
00:36:13,550 --> 00:36:16,770
because since our last meeting, I've almost ran over two of those.

488
00:36:17,490 --> 00:36:19,830
If I hadn't been an alert driver, I would have hit one.

489
00:36:20,330 --> 00:36:23,750
Because it seems like when you don't have to pedal, anything goes.

490
00:36:24,490 --> 00:36:26,050
And that's a problem you have.

491
00:36:26,270 --> 00:36:28,310
And so, I agree with you.

492
00:36:28,430 --> 00:36:29,870
I think we should guess something fast.

493
00:36:30,370 --> 00:36:32,310
I'd like to see a brochure of some kind,

494
00:36:32,690 --> 00:36:34,410
bend it out for the benefit of kids,

495
00:36:34,990 --> 00:36:38,390
and get them all over the city so they know what the rules are up here.

496
00:36:38,390 --> 00:36:41,730
This ordinance is not going to be an event, but by most kids.

497
00:36:42,930 --> 00:36:48,170
So we do something I think I'm in there and I think in the schools and library, wherever

498
00:36:48,170 --> 00:36:51,950
it might be, so they know how to conduct themselves with these contractions.

499
00:36:52,450 --> 00:36:53,450
I call them contractions.

500
00:36:53,450 --> 00:36:56,870
I can do that because I have a three wheel electric bike myself.

501
00:36:57,470 --> 00:36:59,750
And I know you will obey the signs.

502
00:36:59,930 --> 00:37:04,370
Everything else, you don't violate anything just because it's not a car.

503
00:37:04,370 --> 00:37:10,650
And so I say, let's start, pass it, we're going to address it again, I'm sure.

504
00:37:11,070 --> 00:37:14,990
First time some kid gets randled where we're going to be talking about it again.

505
00:37:15,590 --> 00:37:20,110
But I would sure like to see a group show of some kind put together and we could hand out,

506
00:37:20,530 --> 00:37:24,970
so every kid knows how they're supposed to conduct themselves without reading the city ordinance.

507
00:37:28,510 --> 00:37:42,890
So if people can remember back at the illness maybe last year I want to say, don't over the complete timeframe for any ways, I was pre-advocate of a bike lane.

508
00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:50,130
But especially on Fifth Avenue I think it was that I talked about.

509
00:37:50,650 --> 00:37:57,170
I don't remember that part back, certainly I don't remember it six years ago because I was

510
00:37:57,170 --> 00:38:09,730
born then, but I was, and still I am a huge advocate of the bike links and we need to

511
00:38:09,730 --> 00:38:10,270
have them.

512
00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:19,650
It's not just for safety because it really is, but it should be for, oh, it's the world

513
00:38:19,650 --> 00:38:25,110
I'm looking forward to looking at a law type of deal.

514
00:38:25,390 --> 00:38:28,490
So if you have one of the books and someone say,

515
00:38:29,010 --> 00:38:32,270
cause if you're in a pedestrian walk away, right?

516
00:38:33,190 --> 00:38:38,070
And if someone were to hit you in the pedestrian walk away

517
00:38:38,070 --> 00:38:42,590
and across the lights, that is like you have more

518
00:38:42,590 --> 00:38:46,250
of a right to sue and get more money

519
00:38:46,250 --> 00:38:47,410
or something along those lines.

520
00:38:47,410 --> 00:38:49,250
I don't exactly remember what it is.

521
00:38:49,970 --> 00:38:52,350
I'm sure Joe knows more about that than I do.

522
00:38:53,570 --> 00:38:56,890
But in the same sense, if you have a bike lane,

523
00:38:57,310 --> 00:39:00,030
you have more of that incentive to say,

524
00:39:00,210 --> 00:39:02,310
hey, if someone's going to, if someone hits me,

525
00:39:02,690 --> 00:39:05,670
or if someone fish tails me or whatever,

526
00:39:05,850 --> 00:39:08,550
you want to call it, and you have to go to the hospital

527
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:10,310
or you have to get some kind of incentive

528
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:13,170
to, like, broke a leg or something like that.

529
00:39:13,310 --> 00:39:15,790
You have that right, more of a right,

530
00:39:15,790 --> 00:39:20,150
to sue that person and get more insurance money or whatever it is.

531
00:39:20,810 --> 00:39:22,790
So that's why the bike lane was coming to play.

532
00:39:23,550 --> 00:39:27,030
So it is so different than the pedestrian walk away.

533
00:39:27,810 --> 00:39:33,090
So I'm more than willing to work with people to get a bike lane

534
00:39:33,090 --> 00:39:36,690
in any of our streets really, but more specifically,

535
00:39:36,950 --> 00:39:40,130
5th and 4th, because that's where, like Tony said,

536
00:39:40,270 --> 00:39:43,710
that's where more of the traffic is when it comes to the library

537
00:39:43,710 --> 00:39:53,770
I don't really care about that, but I care about being able to reflect on itself.

538
00:39:54,610 --> 00:40:02,050
I'm for it. Yes, there is no easy solution to a bike lane on fixed. There is it.

539
00:40:02,050 --> 00:40:08,290
Fourth is a stillestraining or claimant is stillestraining, claimant is feasible.

540
00:40:09,810 --> 00:40:10,370
It's not.

541
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:19,900
Again, I think that's a part of fit that development, that's a whole other ballpark of what you want

542
00:40:19,900 --> 00:40:20,820
you to have time to be.

543
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:21,400
Yes.

544
00:40:22,420 --> 00:40:23,840
Any further discussion?

545
00:40:24,700 --> 00:40:24,840
Mary?

546
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:30,360
I have a lot of discussion, but I was going to wait till we had a motion, but the

547
00:40:33,620 --> 00:40:34,060
highest

548
00:40:34,060 --> 00:40:41,840
risk of injury or accident or trouble is from children. Children and teens are the problem.

549
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:50,000
Adults are not the problem. And helmets are the greatest thing that can protect them. I don't

550
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:58,200
think allowing kids to be stupid and wear a helmet and get run over is really a very positive way

551
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:06,360
of looking at this, I think we should actually mandate helmets and that would save children's

552
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:06,620
heads.

553
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:11,780
And if a parent can afford to buy them an easter, I think they can afford to buy a helmet

554
00:41:11,780 --> 00:41:12,900
personally.

555
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:23,360
And I also believe that the downtown problem is not adults, it's not gland driving his bike

556
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:24,380
down the road.

557
00:41:24,380 --> 00:41:31,720
It is not the geyser's riding down, crossing fifth and superior, we cross, we either cross

558
00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:36,040
in the bicycle lane or we cross with the traffic, if we have enough people, we have a right

559
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:41,400
to be in the traffic lane, and it's certainly safer there in the intersection of fifth

560
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,660
and superior than it would be just crossing somewhere else.

561
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:52,220
So I do feel there are other issues with this, and I don't think I feel that the adult

562
00:41:52,220 --> 00:41:55,580
should not be uncoded in the restrictions of these streets.

563
00:41:55,820 --> 00:42:01,860
I think it's fine to restrict it to 16 years of age or under 16, I would say, actually,

564
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:07,720
because the 16-year-olds probably have their driver's license and they know the rules

565
00:42:07,720 --> 00:42:08,320
of the road.

566
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:15,280
So I just don't see the point how this really advances your goal of having bike lanes by

567
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,440
keeping everybody out of the tunnel.

568
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:22,380
I don't want to see how it really relates, yeah,

569
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:30,180
I guess that's all the thing that I did to my head right now.

570
00:42:32,420 --> 00:42:35,580
Oh, there's one other thing going in there. I'm sorry.

571
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:42,640
In one of the sections that says riders should be single file sections 38-306.

572
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:49,060
and another section that says 38-304-8-3, it says they can write true or

573
00:42:49,060 --> 00:42:53,200
breast so I don't feel that it needs to be clarified because it says two

574
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:54,900
different things in that ordinance.

575
00:42:55,800 --> 00:43:01,620
Okay, it's gone, so that's the only thing that we appreciate the concerns

576
00:43:01,620 --> 00:43:03,100
for the bike roads downtown.

577
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,700
Trying to be looking at the whole situation, I think

578
00:43:09,700 --> 00:43:22,980
obviously, to make it done properly, you're going to redo traffic and parking lanes and

579
00:43:22,980 --> 00:43:28,940
everything downtown to create a bike lane because the reason there isn't one downtown at this

580
00:43:28,940 --> 00:43:40,790
point in time is because of the parking situation. So there's probably once, we need to see there's no

581
00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:46,230
problem and trying to look at what some of those solutions will be, but definitely there's

582
00:43:46,230 --> 00:43:50,970
going to be a significant cost to make that happen.

583
00:43:52,170 --> 00:44:00,770
I mean, don't misconstru this is not caring for people or injuries or anything, but it's

584
00:44:00,770 --> 00:44:08,350
easy to say we need a bike lane, but then we have to look at how best we can do that.

585
00:44:08,350 --> 00:44:11,650
and it's not just changing an ordinance, okay?

586
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:14,570
I mean, this needs to be,

587
00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:17,870
I mean, if we're talking bike lanes and fifth day of,

588
00:44:17,870 --> 00:44:22,290
fifth day of, we have to figure out the best

589
00:44:22,290 --> 00:44:23,250
way to make that happen.

590
00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:27,700
When the bike clubs and the library,

591
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,160
people have to do an educational program,

592
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,240
with the kids to try to get them on track

593
00:44:33,240 --> 00:44:34,780
to what we're trying to accomplish.

594
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,620
I mean, is that something that we're already talking

595
00:44:38,620 --> 00:44:44,200
into the fire department by doing I can see if you have the library so yes and I know Julie's

596
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:50,120
wasn't happy to do stuff and Joe's having such and such so absolutely yeah I guess start somewhere

597
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:58,960
with you know trying to get him on track this is this is proper way of riding bikes in the streets

598
00:44:58,960 --> 00:44:59,660
and self-stop.

599
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:05,620
Okay. Typically, you know, there's a public comment. Okay. We do have some, we didn't. Okay.

600
00:45:05,780 --> 00:45:13,140
So these have one more person. Was that correct? I just want to make a comment about the double bike safety.

601
00:45:13,380 --> 00:45:21,200
And the animal bike and ski club in cooperation with the Optimus club for years has had a bike safety, uh,

602
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:26,900
rodeo, um, it went away for a few years there. And now it's back. And we do it at the

603
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,940
I'll put the fairgrounds, we just did it in August.

604
00:45:31,740 --> 00:45:37,280
If we give away, and we sponsor helmets, give away helmets,

605
00:45:37,460 --> 00:45:39,400
we give away bikes, we do all that kind of stuff.

606
00:45:39,620 --> 00:45:41,660
But if the city goes forward with this,

607
00:45:41,860 --> 00:45:45,580
the best thing they can do is get education out wherever they

608
00:45:45,580 --> 00:45:47,500
can get it out of the terms of what's going on.

609
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,700
It'll be more appropriate probably next spring

610
00:45:51,260 --> 00:45:52,180
than it would be now.

611
00:45:52,180 --> 00:45:57,720
So there is existing mechanisms to get the information on.

612
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:01,660
Can I come in for a minute?

613
00:46:01,860 --> 00:46:13,040
I feel like in my role, and since we have such a good turnout here today for community members and the council has questions, since this was my idea, I would like to take some e-floor, right?

614
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:23,860
I just want to, I've been taking a few notes and I just want to make a couple things clear and I may be repeating myself from a P&L for those that were here but

615
00:46:25,180 --> 00:46:30,560
so everywhere I've been in my new role, right, people come to me with this problem but they don't have a solution.

616
00:46:31,100 --> 00:46:37,620
The goal is not to produce revenue, it's not to bring the hammer down on people that are being responsible.

617
00:46:37,620 --> 00:46:43,320
It is simply a foundation or a rock that we can chip pieces away and try to form something

618
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:44,200
that is agreeable.

619
00:46:44,660 --> 00:46:46,280
In my opinion, this is a good start.

620
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,840
So if somebody, and I mentioned this before too, officers have discretion, right?

621
00:46:51,340 --> 00:46:57,760
So we can talk to people and we're not going to be picking on somebody that is writing

622
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,320
responsibly with a helmet or a vest and doing the right thing.

623
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:05,640
It's not even going to attract my officer's attention because we have a lot of other fires

624
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:09,620
but all versus somebody that's on their bike in the know-the-zone, right?

625
00:47:09,900 --> 00:47:15,240
Now, the enforcement can be there for us to issue citations or take enforcement actions,

626
00:47:15,780 --> 00:47:17,720
and it's a something something for us.

627
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:23,780
When we make contact with people that are on bicycles in certain areas,

628
00:47:24,300 --> 00:47:29,160
we don't want to be the ones that are making a poor community contact.

629
00:47:29,420 --> 00:47:32,800
We want to educate, we want to prevent future behavior,

630
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:41,780
and make sure people realize what they're doing is either a wrong, b, against the law, or just not a healthy choice for them to be doing.

631
00:47:43,980 --> 00:47:54,580
All the week you mentioned having brochures, today actually my school resource officer was in the high school with an e-bike and a table full of information.

632
00:47:55,360 --> 00:48:00,880
I think it was part of the health department that had healthy days or something at the high school.

633
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:13,740
But, promoting this ordinance and promoting bicycle safety, I helped with the Automus Club at the bike safety room, I've been there, I held up the signs, I drew the chalk on the floor, right?

634
00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:14,780
So I get it.

635
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:23,140
We can easily put this out to the public so people are clear on what we mean here and what we are going to do in order not to.

636
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:30,820
And to your comment message about, you know, kids that are 16 should have a driver's license.

637
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,860
You would be surprised at the number of unlicensed drivers out there.

638
00:48:34,500 --> 00:48:38,900
There are kids that don't get their license until they're 18 sometimes, or not at all.

639
00:48:39,340 --> 00:48:43,760
There's kids that don't have a license and decide to drive their mom's vehicle at 12 years old.

640
00:48:43,980 --> 00:48:44,500
We've seen it.

641
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,280
So it's dangerous either way we look at it, right?

642
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:58,660
So I just wanted to point out that there aren't a significant number of unlicensed drivers that don't know the rules of the road, and if they aren't right, they still might not know.

643
00:48:59,220 --> 00:49:04,020
So hopefully we can promote this and get it out there to the public so they have a clear understanding.

644
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:11,040
So I said as a previous meeting, education is the key, I think the education is the key thing here.

645
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:11,220
Right.

646
00:49:11,500 --> 00:49:14,780
If we want them to stop and look both ways.

647
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:15,220
Right.

648
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:20,360
And if we can stop and make contact with somebody and have a positive contact with them,

649
00:49:20,500 --> 00:49:24,400
and have this in our back pocket saying, this is the role.

650
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:26,040
This is what you need to know.

651
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:31,600
And we can refer them to either the city of any website or somewhere where they can find that information.

652
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:45,460
Yes, Chairman. Yes. I move that. We approve that redation. Is that written? Section 3802, 38304, 38306, 38308, 38308.

653
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:59,660
Nice second. It's good move. Seconded to that. We approve section 3D, 0308, 38306, 38308.

654
00:50:07,460 --> 00:50:08,140
Okay,

655
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:21,400
I agree with you that, you know, kids should wear a kind of stuff.

656
00:50:21,820 --> 00:50:24,840
However, the only part that I disagree heavily on

657
00:50:25,660 --> 00:50:36,060
is that the state or the, in our case, the municipality should not regulate people to have

658
00:50:36,060 --> 00:50:40,860
helmets on all the time when they're running e-bikes or scooters or whatever.

659
00:50:41,180 --> 00:50:48,220
You gotta let kids be kids, in a sort of sense, because there are a lot to make state mistakes.

660
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,640
And I mean, you can laugh at that all you want.

661
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,300
You're allowed to die and you're saying it's okay.

662
00:50:54,300 --> 00:50:55,400
Well, can I speak this?

663
00:50:55,940 --> 00:50:56,340
Yes, please.

664
00:50:56,940 --> 00:50:57,920
Well, you just spoke to me.

665
00:50:57,920 --> 00:50:59,000
Can I speak for it?

666
00:50:59,140 --> 00:50:59,320
You see?

667
00:50:59,580 --> 00:51:00,500
Your phone.

668
00:51:06,180 --> 00:51:09,660
It's yellow kids, be it kids, and let them make mistakes,

669
00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:10,720
because that's how they learn.

670
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,040
I was the same way, we're all the same way, pretty much.

671
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:21,100
I would hope to make mistakes, and that's how we learn.

672
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:22,260
Maybe not right away.

673
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,020
But certainly in the future, that's how you learn.

674
00:51:25,020 --> 00:51:36,480
And I mean, I've fallen off my skateboard a lot of times, gotten bruised, knees, and twisted legs and stuff like that, but did I learn?

675
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:44,800
Yeah, where, how it, and all of this stuff, but when you start mandating everything, you know, that complete that is like a police state.

676
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:49,260
That's not what anyone wants. I'm sure Mary wants it, but I strictly don't.

677
00:51:51,860 --> 00:51:54,460
But I'm not, no, that's not the part.

678
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:56,240
Okay, yeah, I'm done.

679
00:51:56,500 --> 00:51:57,780
Very tired of something else one day.

680
00:51:58,660 --> 00:52:02,980
Well, I wonder, I want to know if I can make an amendment now that we have a motion second.

681
00:52:03,300 --> 00:52:06,260
You can amend it, you can table it, you can do whatever you need to do.

682
00:52:06,660 --> 00:52:08,160
It takes presidents of the main motion.

683
00:52:09,540 --> 00:52:12,600
Okay, then I make a motion to table this for further study.

684
00:52:14,580 --> 00:52:15,880
There's like a move

685
00:52:18,090 --> 00:52:21,710
to the second that we table the motion and table the motion means

686
00:52:21,710 --> 00:52:24,230
that it's taken up in the next session.

687
00:52:24,430 --> 00:52:25,850
It doesn't mean that it's dropped.

688
00:52:26,410 --> 00:52:30,430
Matter of fact, you know, I think this is something that needs to be done.

689
00:52:31,010 --> 00:52:31,850
I can tell you that.

690
00:52:32,630 --> 00:52:33,890
I'm not so sure.

691
00:52:34,110 --> 00:52:36,030
We need some humanity input.

692
00:52:37,130 --> 00:52:42,530
And to me, in your table, I would also include that we go to public works and that a committee

693
00:52:42,530 --> 00:52:48,170
be formed and that they report back at, you know, the next household meeting, and we could

694
00:52:48,170 --> 00:52:54,310
adopt the motion of that. We're only putting it off for 30 days. So we have the motion

695
00:52:54,310 --> 00:52:54,830
in the second.

696
00:52:58,860 --> 00:53:02,740
Okay, all those in favor of cabling the motions on the next meeting.

697
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:04,440
Signify by saying aye.

698
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:06,980
All right.

699
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,380
We may be better do a show of hands at the time.

700
00:53:12,380 --> 00:53:13,840
I'm going to choose the roll call.

701
00:53:14,060 --> 00:53:15,080
OK, we'll use the roll call.

702
00:53:15,620 --> 00:53:18,020
Oh, thank you.

703
00:53:18,340 --> 00:53:20,280
Always the favour of tabling the motion.

704
00:53:20,660 --> 00:53:24,380
To table and be very glad to public works.

705
00:53:24,380 --> 00:53:25,060
Is that correct?

706
00:53:25,900 --> 00:53:26,160
OK.

707
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:28,640
And brought back to the next console meeting.

708
00:53:30,260 --> 00:53:31,600
Both, yes.

709
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,740
OK, so it has the motion is to table the motion referring

710
00:53:35,740 --> 00:53:38,460
to public works to come back to the next console meeting.

711
00:53:38,740 --> 00:53:38,860
Yes.

712
00:53:39,660 --> 00:53:39,940
Mary.

713
00:53:40,500 --> 00:53:41,040
That's correct.

714
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:41,520
Thanks a lot.

715
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:42,140
for

716
00:53:45,050 --> 00:53:46,370
the needs to get done.

717
00:53:48,730 --> 00:53:50,290
Or you've got the right to do it.

718
00:53:50,290 --> 00:53:50,430
No.

719
00:53:51,290 --> 00:53:52,090
You have pushing.

720
00:53:52,210 --> 00:53:52,330
What?

721
00:53:52,730 --> 00:53:52,990
On

722
00:53:56,410 --> 00:53:57,470
what's had been cast?

723
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:01,740
Six to three motion carries today.

724
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:06,880
Okay, look at this done.

725
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:08,340
It was actually a wonderful.

726
00:54:08,860 --> 00:54:10,000
So I'll have some committee.

727
00:54:10,100 --> 00:54:10,980
I can put them on the screen.

728
00:54:11,240 --> 00:54:13,560
Okay, committee will see the cards.

729
00:54:15,100 --> 00:54:16,260
There's a set of all of them.

730
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:18,700
You can go on double range screen today.

731
00:54:20,860 --> 00:54:22,780
So it's good to read this number, I'll ask.

732
00:54:22,780 --> 00:54:23,640
Okay.

733
00:54:25,700 --> 00:54:33,740
The next item is six. We'll go into motions. We'll find the city representative to the city plan for the next item.

734
00:54:44,010 --> 00:54:49,510
Yes, with my recommendation at home, he, I believe, wrote an email back on that.

735
00:54:49,510 --> 00:54:51,410
that is how many of these are about that.

736
00:54:52,450 --> 00:54:54,070
That's just briefly touched on that.

737
00:54:54,910 --> 00:54:56,890
It's not an obvious choice to make the parts

738
00:54:56,890 --> 00:54:59,230
for a cemetery director, a number of plan commission.

739
00:54:59,790 --> 00:55:02,790
There were two considerations that one is that

740
00:55:02,790 --> 00:55:05,830
there will be zoning ordinance coming to plan commission

741
00:55:05,830 --> 00:55:09,010
next month to give the commission a little bit more teeth

742
00:55:09,010 --> 00:55:10,830
when it comes to site plan reviews.

743
00:55:12,190 --> 00:55:15,110
I'll go into a lot more in detail in that next month

744
00:55:15,110 --> 00:55:18,210
that's being, but as part of that would be

745
00:55:18,210 --> 00:55:21,990
be a more formal stamp review process

746
00:55:22,450 --> 00:55:25,430
that the commission can get a more distilled version

747
00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:26,590
of what's going on in the plan,

748
00:55:26,610 --> 00:55:28,730
how that aligns with ordinance or state code.

749
00:55:30,270 --> 00:55:32,610
And so within that stamp review would be representatives

750
00:55:32,610 --> 00:55:35,370
from the Civil Native Administration of Building Inspection,

751
00:55:35,970 --> 00:55:39,430
as well as engineering serving public works, streets,

752
00:55:39,850 --> 00:55:42,130
police, fire, and that sort of administration.

753
00:55:44,190 --> 00:55:49,210
And so it's my preference that someone who was on the commission

754
00:55:49,210 --> 00:55:56,490
as the staff representative is not involved in that review, and it's just like the commission on that, and also to a

755
00:55:56,490 --> 00:56:04,910
by and minus four in section two, dash five, two, two, Sarah is a city resident, so we did not get violation of that

756
00:56:04,910 --> 00:56:08,890
ordinance, which mandates that a non-resident is a non

757
00:56:10,940 --> 00:56:12,580
-most committing to commissions.

758
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:19,300
It will be in the item is to point this in representative Sarah rep to the city planning commission.

759
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:20,300
Placing Charlie right.

760
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:21,740
Placing Charlie right.

761
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:22,460
It goes for time.

762
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,000
I'll make a motion to that.

763
00:56:27,240 --> 00:56:28,800
That's Sarah rep raises.

764
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:36,000
Also, move the second that we appoint city representative Sarah rep to the city planning commission.

765
00:56:45,650 --> 00:56:46,490
Okay,

766
00:56:49,420 --> 00:56:58,360
I have number 7, move the November City Council meeting from November 11 to November 10 in recognition of the state.

767
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:09,320
The City Council meeting from November 11 to November 10 in recognition of the state.

768
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,480
Second move the second and then we move as November

769
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:18,880
Consumading from November 11th to November 10th and place in under recognition day.

770
00:57:19,020 --> 00:57:28,320
I want to take a sad I know I have it and we will move the city council meeting from the November 11th to November 10th.

771
00:57:30,390 --> 00:57:31,790
Okay, next on the agenda.

772
00:57:31,790 --> 00:57:32,650
the bill.

773
00:57:36,670 --> 00:57:37,790
The bill.

774
00:57:38,550 --> 00:57:40,930
This will require a roll call vote.

775
00:57:41,150 --> 00:57:41,870
I got it.

776
00:57:44,310 --> 00:57:46,230
I guess I'll

777
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,160
put some of the cast kinds around.

778
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:55,280
Okay.

779
00:58:01,510 --> 00:58:02,090
I'll ask you chairman.

780
00:58:02,490 --> 00:58:06,110
I might move this close to the adjourn.

781
00:58:06,610 --> 00:58:07,530
We can close session that.

782
00:58:09,490 --> 00:58:10,050
Recess.

783
00:58:10,150 --> 00:58:10,550
I'm sorry.

784
00:58:10,550 --> 00:58:13,030
I'm going to go back to the council to recess.

785
00:58:13,850 --> 00:58:15,550
I'm going to accommodate the start time of the committee.

786
00:58:17,170 --> 00:58:21,910
Okay. So you're saying that, you know, we've accomplished, well, we're committing your

787
00:58:21,910 --> 00:58:22,630
school that I can.

788
00:58:23,290 --> 00:58:24,290
And we'll move the school obsession.

789
00:58:25,730 --> 00:58:29,110
We just hold the committee of the whole meeting and then go back and go back.

790
00:58:29,110 --> 00:58:30,310
Oh, I say, okay.

791
00:58:30,650 --> 00:58:31,770
Is there a motion of three sets?

792
00:58:32,370 --> 00:58:33,410
I'll make a motion to recess.

793
00:58:33,570 --> 00:58:34,670
So you say a second.

794
00:58:35,150 --> 00:58:36,310
A second of three sets.

795
00:58:36,370 --> 00:58:36,930
All right.

796
00:58:36,930 --> 00:58:41,330
Yeah, and we are recessed for it.

797
00:58:41,330 --> 00:58:41,450
Okay.

798
00:58:41,630 --> 00:58:41,830
Okay.

799
00:58:42,530 --> 00:58:42,870
What?

800
00:58:45,260 --> 00:58:46,380
Get back to what you're saying.

801
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:48,240
I mean, we get me in a minute to switch all.