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Okay, I would like to call city of Apache Jones and council meeting of September 1st, 2026 to order and ask everyone to put their cell phones on silence.

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We thank you for the privilege and freedom we have.

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have been able to discuss the business.

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We have to be careful with the authority

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in their decision making.

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Keep us mindful that we serve the residents of this city.

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We ask for help from the men and women

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who serve in our military around the world.

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Please keep them safe in these trouble

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in uncertain times.

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We ask also for your blessing on our first responders,

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including our police and fire departments,

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along with our EMS personnel and our park rangers.

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Please keep the brave men and women safe in their duties

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to protect and care for the residents of this city.

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And we do thank you for the honor and privilege we have

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to serve the residents of this great city.

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These things to be asked in your name, amen.

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Hi, what are your opinions to the flag

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of the United States of America

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and to the Republic for which it stands

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one nation under God in the visible roll

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call. Mayor Wilson. Here. Vice Mayor Schroeder.

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President. Council member Cross. Here. Council member Heck. Here. Council member Johnson.

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Here. Council member Nestor. President. Council member Solar. Here. You have a

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quorum your honor. Thank you. We'll make a quick little statement in the

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aspect on it. I know there's a bunch of people have put in some applications for

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You don't have to sign up for it because it is a, excuse me, a public hearing and you don't need to have them filled out and the forms are for the call to the public.

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So just to let everybody know.

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Okay, consent agenda. As a reminder, all items under consent agenda will be approved

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with one motion. If a council member wishes to remove an item for further discussion,

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the request will be made prior to approving the consent agenda, and will be moved to new

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business.

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Do I have a motion under consent agenda?

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Mayor? Yes.

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I move that the consent agenda be accepted as present presented, and that item number

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number 4 and 5 be approved with a retroactive date of July 1st, 2026.

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Second.

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Moved and seconded.

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Roll call.

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Council member Nestor.

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Yes.

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Council member Johnson.

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Yes.

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Council member Cross.

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Yes.

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Council member Heck.

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Yes.

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Council member Solar.

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Yes.

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Vice Mayor Schroeder.

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Yes.

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Mayor Wilson.

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Yes.

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Motion passes.

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Awards and presentations.

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Presentation of a 40-year service award.

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I'm sorry.

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We're here to recognize an important milestone tonight.

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I need to get out of here.

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tonight, we are celebrating 40 years of service to the city from the woman behind me,

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Trish Pelletier. Trish began working at the library in 1986. You can see the building up there

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on the screen. And now it's 20, 26, 40 years later. So what makes that date special is that the

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library itself was going through a big change at that time. It was a one-month-old building.

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Our Idaho Road Library had opened, finally, and Trish was one of the first people to work there.

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So when Trish walked through the doors for the first time as an employee, she was beginning her career in a building that was just beginning its life.

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In 1986, it looked a lot different than the one we know today.

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It was smaller, a patchy junction was smaller, and many of the additions and changes that we now see are permanent plans of the libraries were still years away.

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Bye.

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The photographs on the slide really put those 40 years into perspective. I can get it going in the next

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stream. There we go. So this is trash back, we believe in 1986.

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During that time she again

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as a library clerk, then she was a senior library assistant in 1990 in a 2015 she began

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the library's supervising library assistant. And of course the library wasn't standing

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still during those 4 years while Trish was here. Trish began working in the area of library

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card catalogs and was instrumental in bringing about the transition to computers and the more

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advanced technologies that we know today.

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Oh my gosh. Sorry, just clicking the down arrow.

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Down here, thank you. There we go.

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At the same time, the building around her was changing.

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There were additions, there were remodels, new spaces, new ways of using the library.

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Here is one of the additions that we had back in 2008 looking at a difference that was

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back in 1986.

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But for Trish, these aren't simply pictures of how the library used to look.

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These represent the different stages of her career.

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She's had to adapt again and again to new technology, co-workers, leadership, and an ever-changing

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library.

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And 40 years later, she is still here with the perspective of someone who has personally

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experienced every chapter of this building's story.

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But ultimately public

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libraries are about people. Over four decades thousands and thousands of

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people have walked through the doors of our library. They've come looking for

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books, information, technology, help, programs for their kids, research assistants

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and more, and every time they've come they've probably seen trash. When someone

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works in the same public library for decades they develop a connection to the

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community. There are a long-time patrons that Trish knows by name and they know her by name

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because they've known each other for years.

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There are community traditions events and

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stories to remember because she was there when it happened and public service sometimes requires

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a willingness to take on roles that probably weren't listed in the original job description.

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At one point that apparently included serving the age of community as the Easter Bunny.

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After 40 years, Trish also carries something that can't be captured in a job description.

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She has the incredible amount of knowledge about our library, about its people, and about

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its history.

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There have been many times when a question comes up, and we all just say, ask Trish.

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She remembers former staff, longtime patrons, the way we used to do things, earlier versions

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of the building, earlier versions of manuals, everything else goes on in a library over 40 years,

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because that's what she can do after four decades. And that kind of perspective is rare,

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and it has become incredibly valuable.

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So we have 40 years in memory here tonight. When you look

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through 40 years of photographs, you see an entire career unfold. There are different co-workers,

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different directors and supervisors, different celebrations and some of these people in these photographs worked alongside Trish decades ago, and others are people that she still works with today.

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She couldn't have known how Apache Junction would grow and change over the last 40 years, and she certainly couldn't have known that for years later we would be standing here at a city council meeting looking back at photographs of her from 40 years ago.

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And perhaps that is one of the best ways to understand what 40 years of service really means.

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It isn't simply the passage of time.

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It is continuing to serve as community needs change.

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Over 40 years, Trish has accumulated knowledge that simply cannot be learned from the manual.

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It comes from decades of knowing the community and knowing us.

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And that kind of knowledge is incredibly valuable.

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Tres hasn't just witnessed this history, she is the main part of it.

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And this milestone is especially meaningful because Tres just announced that she'll

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be retiring in October, bringing her extraordinary 40-year career with the city to a close.

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So it's my privilege this evening to recognize Tres' palatir for 40 remarkable years of service

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for the City of Apache Junction.

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And we're going to have you come on down. Trish, we're going to put the 40 year mark up on the front forever. And oh, it's already there. Three people ever in the city's history is made it. We're only a 48 year old city. And you are from the beginning. You're a servant public servant. You admit everything that we are in the city. I thank you for your service. I thank you for your example to all of our employees of what a public servant is. And on behalf of the entire city.

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staff. I thank you and let's get a picture of Mary with Trish

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I have to say and all the

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years have been up here celebrating people's years of service. I have never seen the entire

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community to show up to celebrate. This is great. Good job.

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You can, you've all come straight now.

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I'm going to say one quick little thing in the aspects of it is one of the things

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that I retire from the military and one of the things that you had to go through was a

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mandatory retirement briefing. If you didn't do the retirement briefing,

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you weren't allowed to retire, and I am going to pass the information that was presented in that, is definitely in the aspects on it.

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Keep moving forward and keep busy in the aspect because that's the best thing you will ever do, and sitting down watching TV all day long does not help out at all.

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So best of luck, enjoy, do a little traveling, and enjoy the whole family.

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Okay, regional intergovernment meetings and updates from the council.

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Anyone have anything?

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Yes.

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And Councilmember Cross attended the Morrison Institute down in Phoenix, Arizona State University

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holds it.

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They talked about water and Colorado River water if so, y'all know we're taking a cut in

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that.

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But all the cities pretty much have planned for this cut.

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So it's, it's bad, but it's not as bad as it could have been.

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And most cities aren't going to see a substantial increase

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in fees for water because of the cuts.

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They also talked about housing and what was the other thing?

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It talked about data centers.

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Data centers.

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And there's a lot of misinformation out there about data centers.

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and they were filling us in on what the misinformation is.

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So they talked about data centers

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and what they bring to your community

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and what they don't bring to your community.

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So it was interesting.

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And then we all attended the leagues golf.

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That's true.

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I don't believe that.

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Yes, Chip.

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I don't believe that up to Chip.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah, I'm going to say all of us attended

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the league of cities and towns

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and the aspects on it.

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And we enjoyed a lot of meetings and information that was spread out and given to us and we have our youth advisory council as part of the picture here.

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And it's one of the things that I really enjoy is the aspect of having the youth involved and youth being in present and seeing how government.

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It works and being involved into it and they definitely showed up and talked to them and enjoyable time spending some short time with them as well.

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Through the other comments from the council. Anybody want to talk to this one? Oh yeah. I forgot that one. I got presented an award for 20 years of service for the city of Apache Junction.

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I'm coming up on it this year and the aspects on it and they gave it to me a little early because

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I'm not going to be around next year to be able to attend to it.

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So I'm a few months early for the 20-year mark and I was, there's just two of us that got it.

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So I guess I'm joining a small crowd in the aspect on it.

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All right.

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Presentation of discussion and public hearing on technology employed by the

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police department chief pulley.

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Why skip the manager's report?

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I mean, it's really big tonight. So I can go over it really quickly if you'd like mayor.

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Just a reminder to the community and to you the upcoming 9-11 memorial and we're so grateful

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for the work that the committee's done to councilmember Johnson Friday September 11th, 25

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years. That's what we're all gazebo here at the Northeast corner, superstition, and Idaho.

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We hope the community will come and be a part of and think about and ponder the wonderful

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country we have. The other item is through SRP. SRP is does, I don't know if we've got, did

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you have something to say? Yeah, we have, we have 25 different organizations that are bringing

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memorials to that and we have some very interesting items with the children that were involved

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in learning a little bit more about 9-11, so we are very pleased that we have a full agenda,

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and we certainly hope to see as many of our citizens come out to the Veterans Memorial

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Josebo for that. Thank you. And then as a reminder, Canyon Lake will be receiving a drawdown

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from SRP, it doesn't happen very often. And the work that's being done will be to maintain the dam,

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and to be able to keep that great resource going and other than that you're

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honor that concludes my report for tonight. Okay, I apologize chief. We'll do now

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go into your technology report.

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Got me excited.

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Mayor members of Council I

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appreciate this opportunity to come up and I'm glad we have a lot of people here

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to hear what we have to say. Tonight we're going to be talking about

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technology. And technology has always been an evolution, not only for the public, but

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also for law enforcement. At one time, police radios were, it was new technology, computers

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in our patrol car was new technology, body-worn cameras, which I remember when those were

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implemented. It was, there was a lot of pushback. GPS, DNA, and how that's used, it's all been

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in part of the evolution of law enforcement.

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Each of these technologies has one thing in common.

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They're tools, and they do not replace police officers.

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They do not replace good judgment.

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They do not replace good police work,

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constitutional policing, or accountability.

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They give our officers better information

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so they can make better and safer decisions

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to keep our community safe.

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But I also believe something else very strongly

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with great technology, it comes a lot

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a great responsibility. And I understand why people have questions about these technologies,

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especially particularly ALPR, which we'll talk about. And I believe the public should

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ask these questions. In fact, this morning I met with a young lady who's actually here today

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who brought up some concerns. And I appreciated that. We met personally, and I love those conversations.

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I heard from her perspective, and she heard from our perspective. And there's things that we're

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looking at and we're looking at different things that maybe need to be modified or things

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that may need to be changed. That's how change happens. It's through dialogue like that

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and like tonight. And those are fair questions and I also want to separate what this technology

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actually does from what people fear it may do. There's in my opinion some misinformation

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that's out there and I hope I can clarify that tonight. I hope I can answer questions and

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make things a little more clear. And even after tonight, if people still disagree with

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what we have to say, I respect that. And I-

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We will not hold a grudge against anybody that disagrees with the way we place here in the city of Apache Junction. One of the things that I've been here as the chief for about four and a half years now, it'll be five years in January. When we look at the decline in crime, crime has been declining significantly. So much so just in the last three years, it's declined almost 20% since 2022. Now there's a lot of reasons for that, the way we do things, the way we have changed

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things different people have been put in place, but a big part of that, I believe, is part

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of the technology that we've used in law enforcement.

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So what is the technology that the Apache Junction Police Department has?

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We use ALPR, which is known as automatic license plate readers.

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The brand we use is Flock, which has become synonymous with ALPR.

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There are several other brands out there.

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Some departments are going away from flock

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and going to another ALPR to appease the public.

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We won't do that.

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We are here to answer questions.

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If we feel that this technology is helping our city,

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we're going to stand by it.

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We also have chaffer cameras, body-worn cameras

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drawn as a first responder, which I'll refer to as DFR tonight.

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We also have our dispatch in our 911 technology.

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So what is a drone as a first responder?

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This is fairly new technology that is used specifically for certain types of crimes.

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When we have a violent crime that happens, and we're going to give an example here of a

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robbery that took place, and as that happens, when our officers are in route, they don't

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know what they're getting into, they don't know much information.

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We know there's about a three to five-minute time delay from the time the 911 call comes

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in to the time our officers are actually on scene because of the delay that it takes.

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What a drone is a first responder does as the 911 call comes in, it goes specifically

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to a location and gives real-time information to our responding officers.

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And I want to show this video that'll help explain a little bit of that.

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Drone

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is a first responder, otherwise known as DFR.

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The program can provide officers with critical information before they arrive at certain

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calls.

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DFR allows trained personnel to deploy Drone to active incidents, providing a view from

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a bug that can help officers understand what is happening and determine the safest way

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to respond.

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Good, my dear, these sons were all head-selling shoes.

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Someone called the maximum plan, took the shoes,

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it's gonna be one mile with a pink ski mask,

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the other one was wringled red city with white shoes.

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During the investigation, a school resource officer

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developed information, identifying a possible subject

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and residence.

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As officers responded, the DFR was requested to the city.

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The air ball launched a DFR and ATL area.

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Air one has been launched.

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The drone provided a live real aerial view of the area as officers responded.

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We got a subject that just stood out of the ship.

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She started the house and went under a little headstroke.

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He's just sticking off the west end of the building.

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It's right underneath that little headshot side of it.

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Oh god.

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officers looking at all suspects who admitted their involvement in the robbery,

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honestly, or the day. In the real-time crime investigation,

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gave officers the clearer picture before approaching the residence, helping them

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plan their response with safety of everyone involved. It's important to know that

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we're not just flying drones around looking for activity. DFR is the first

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specific calls for service and law enforcement operations and our pilots are

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trained at the A certified and follow established department calls. Better

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information can lead to safer decisions for our officers for those involved in an

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incident and for the community we serve.

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So without DFR the way we would go is our

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officers would get the call dispatched to them from 9-1-1-1 call would come in.

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Our dispatchers would take that call and they would provide that information and dispatch

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our officers.

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What we've seen with our DFR since we've had this deployed for the last about five months,

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we have faster response times, we're able to get real-time information provided.

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Information on where suspects are located, provide a description, a travel, a description, and

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whether we see any weapons that are visible. So with these, with this technology, it's become

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very apparent that it's been helpful to apprehend suspects in a much faster time and in a safer

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way as well.

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Let's talk about ALPR. Before I get into this, I think everybody knows, well, I believe

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they know the purpose of this. We did have an incident here in the Apache

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Junction Police Department that I'm not proud of. I addressed it in a press

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conference where we had an officer that did misuse this. This happened on April

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19th and when we found out about it after the misuse we had we were no we knew

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about it within about three hours and we took action immediately. The

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officer was suspended. All of his rights were taken away from any access to any

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of this, and we were in contact with the person that he was trying to locate.

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For us, it was a big blow to us.

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It was something that for me, I'm not proud of, and it's something that I know we're going

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to have to rebuild trust.

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It's something that I will speak about openly.

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We have nothing to hide.

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We did not want to not share that, but I wanted to make sure that people know when we have this

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technology, we do have human beings in these roles, and throughout my career and 25 years,

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I have seen officers misuse technology. They're held accountable, and sometimes they're arrested,

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if it's a crime, and sometimes more than anything, they're terminated from employment.

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That's what we did here in the Apache Junction Police Department. He did resign before we could

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to terminate him, but it still is considered a termination.

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So I wanted to bring that up as well.

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We also know that here in the Apache Junction Police Department,

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we have been working very hard to build trust.

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I know it takes one bad incident to break all the good work that we've been putting in.

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We work with our school district, we go to the football games,

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we go to the high school events, we go to church outings,

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we go to everything we can to share information and show how much we support this community.

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I believe we have a great reputation in the city of Apache Junction and the residents.

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We've seen it. We've felt it. When we lost our officer last year, we felt the support of the

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community. But now we have to start over. And we are going to start over and we're going to continue

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having these conversations. And we're going to address not only you, Mayor and Vice Mayor and

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council members. We will go to churches, we will go to schools, we will go to community forums,

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we will not shy away from this and we will have these open discussions. That is my commitment.

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When we talk about ALPR, we've had this technology for about three and a half years.

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I came from another city where ALPR was used. We've been using it in law enforcement

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for over 25 years that I've been here. But flock, the specific name in this, has been around for

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for about eight or nine years, and the last city I worked for, we were the first

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season to go to it, and we saw the success in it. We saw the success of

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apprehending suspects, recovering stolen vehicles, finding missing people.

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That's why I wanted to bring it here. I still stand by that, and I want to explain

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a few things how it works, and then I have a little video I'll show here, here.

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What ALPR does is it captures license plate information.

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It's a moment in time that takes a photo of a vehicle, the rear of a vehicle.

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The vehicle characteristics, the daytime and location, it does not do facial recognition.

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We do not have cameras that have facial recognition.

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These cameras do not take photos of the front of the vehicles.

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Anybody that sees the photos, you cannot see who's in the vehicle.

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What it does is it gives us a snapshot in time of the rear of the vehicle and captures

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the license plate.

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For those that don't understand how law enforcement works, when somebody commits a crime or somebody

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steals a vehicle, that information is put into a national crime database.

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That information is synced to our cameras.

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What that does is when there's a vehicle that drives by these cameras that's involved in

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a crime that's been put into the National Crime Information Center or NCIC.

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It'll give us an alert and say that a stolen vehicle or a missing person just drove by

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this camera and it sends us a picture of that vehicle.

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At that point, we are able to respond and try to take action.

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Since 2024, we have recovered 34 stolen vehicles valued at about $700,000, we've located

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did nine missing people here in the city of Apache.

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Some of those were from neighboring jurisdictions. There was one individual that was suffering from dementia Alzheimer's, from the West Valley that had driven out here, and we located him because of the flock hit that the other agency had put into NCIC.

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I've been asked has, you know, actually we'll get into the second, I apologize. How we use it is we look for missing an endangered persons stolen vehicles. We use it

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for investigations. Some of the investigations involved some of our youth. There was an incident

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not too long ago. One of our students from the Apache Unified School District

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was taken and she was had just turned 13 years old and she was taken by a 68-year-old stranger.

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We would have not found this girl as fast as we did had we not had these ALPRs. Now

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Now that's one person, is it worth it?

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One person that's one of our students at Apache Junction Unified School District?

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Absolutely, we've talked to the mom or the grandparents, we've talked to her guardians and they thank us for this technology.

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We've talked to numerous victims of crimes, people who have had their vehicles recovered that have asked how we found it, we let them know, and they've showed appreciation.

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We've used this type of technology for fatal hit and runs where a vehicle ran someone over,

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killed them, and fled the scene.

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We were able to pull up the vehicles in the area at that time, and we were able to locate

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the vehicle, the vehicle head was somebody that lived up north in northern Arizona, and

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we were able to solve that case because of that and bring some justice to the family.

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One of the things that it does not do, if the camera takes a picture of a vehicle, it

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does not mean that the police see that vehicle.

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The only reason we see that vehicle is if it's involved in a crime or it's involved in

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some type of investigation that we need to find the person.

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Some of the things that we do is we have a LPR is for a legitimate law enforcement purpose.

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We have changed several things since our misuse.

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We've learned from that.

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We've learned that there needs to be more guard rails on this technology, even within

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our own department.

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We have limited who now has access to that.

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We do weekly audits.

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We conduct audits where we're able to see who is accessing what type of vehicles and why.

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And there's a video that we're going to show here with Commander Ewer.

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I'm sure she loves that photo, but we'll play this.

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It's about a five minute video, so bear with me for about five minutes.

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Over the investigations division.

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I'm here to show you and dispel some rumors about how our flock safety system works

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using our license plate readers in the city of Apache Junction.

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So behind me, I'm going to pull up what it looks like when we are using the system and

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some of the safeguards that we have in place to ensure that we are using it properly and

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that we are holding ourselves accountable.

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So behind me is the restricted access warning before we actually view the system.

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It's showing us that if we're using it for illegal enforcement, immigration enforcement,

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in certain states that we are using it with care, and that we are being monitored, recorded

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in audited and that the improper use is likely to disciplinary actions.

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So we're going to click on the accept on that.

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And everything I do on here is going to be in a testing phase.

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However, we've already documented that this is going to happen

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and because it is going to show that I did a test on this system.

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So when we go through and do an audit, it's going to show that I ran this license plate for a test.

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But it is going to flag in the system as something that needs to be looked at

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because it's unusual activity.

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So here we have the offense types.

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These are our different offense types

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that we will have to put into the system

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when we do a search.

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So an example would be if we had an elderly citizen

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that went missing from her house

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and her family's reported her missing,

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if she has left in her vehicle,

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we would put in here that we're looking

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for a missing person.

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But I'm going to use the other on this

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because we're just doing a test.

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So this is going to flag me for conduct

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that's not normal. So I'm going to put in here that we are doing a test. However, normally we would

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put in the case number. So if that missing female was missing, we would put in the case number that's

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responsible for that. And we would put the reason that we would say looking for missing vehicle or missing

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person, but we're going to still continue to put testing in here. And what we're going to do is we're

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going to look up the license plate of one of our police cars so that we're not looking up anybody else's

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plate.

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That we know this is a plate that we have and I actually have it saved in here. And we're going to use Arizona as the state. And we're going to down here it shows the start and the end date. Right now we only have it set for two hours unless we go and change it. So I'm going to do the last 24 hours of any flock hits on our license plate from our police vehicle. So this is loading the results. You can see here what it looks like when we get a

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license plate reader hit. No matter how close or far these license plate

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readers are to the license plate you cannot see inside the vehicle. So even though

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the plate is this close or it's this close or this close you still can't see

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who's inside. Here's a picture of another vehicle we weren't searching for and I

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still can't see inside of that vehicle as well as well as this photo that shows

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oncoming traffic and I cannot see that person in that vehicle. So this license plate reader

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is basically just giving us information that if I was standing on the side of the road,

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I would be able to see the license plate number and the vehicle driving by.

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One of the cases that shows us the success story from the LPR system is the fact that we

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were able to find an elderly woman with dementia and Alzheimer's who had left her family home

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in her vehicle without water bottle or a wallet or a cell phone and her family was able

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to track that she had left the house within the last two hours and that she had a history

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of previous living in New Mexico. So the family thought she had baby gone to New Mexico.

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And we were able to go in and put that she was a missing person into the system and add

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her license plate into the LPR system.

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We were able to find her and track her through globe and all the way to Stafford, Arizona,

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where she was on her way to New Mexico, based on this LPR system.

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Because when we add in a missing endangered person with their license plate into the system,

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when they cross an LPR camera in the state, it will notify that agency that that person

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or that vehicle has entered that jurisdiction and where it was.

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So when we had noticed that she was in Stafford,

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we contacted the Stafford Police Department,

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and we were able to tell them,

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can you go search in this area for this woman?

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01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:30,620
So it's a good success story is we're not sitting here

445
01:07:30,620 --> 01:07:34,880
watching for license plate reader hits on stolen vehicles

446
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:37,320
or looking up things.

447
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:40,060
It's more of, in the moment, active investigation

448
01:07:40,060 --> 01:07:42,540
where we can really make a difference in someone's life.

449
01:07:42,540 --> 01:07:47,960
I can say with 100 percent certainty that this woman who went missing would not have

450
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:51,700
been found within a reasonable amount of time without the license plate readers.

451
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:56,320
I say that because time is of the essence when we're dealing with our vulnerable

452
01:07:56,320 --> 01:08:02,420
community and not being able to locate her in this type of heat and the desert is

453
01:08:02,420 --> 01:08:05,400
something we would have never been able to do without the license plate readers.

454
01:08:07,470 --> 01:08:12,490
So as you can see, that's how flock is used here in the city of Apache Junction.

455
01:08:13,010 --> 01:08:17,110
Some of the things I think is important to know, we do listen to our community, we understand

456
01:08:17,110 --> 01:08:22,370
that there has been some incidents we've had cameras that have been damaged, and I understand

457
01:08:22,370 --> 01:08:22,650
that.

458
01:08:22,890 --> 01:08:27,710
And one of the things that we've discussed internally, is there are cameras that have been

459
01:08:27,710 --> 01:08:30,450
put out that probably don't need to be in those locations.

460
01:08:31,190 --> 01:08:37,330
I had a great conversation with the gentleman that his concern was for the cameras on Goldfield

461
01:08:37,330 --> 01:08:43,650
and he's here tonight, and I listened to him, and we listened to him as a department.

462
01:08:44,030 --> 01:08:49,870
We're moving the cameras on Goldfield because we don't feel that they need to be in the residential areas.

463
01:08:50,370 --> 01:08:57,050
We want to cover our city that are coming into the city and the main access points of people coming in and out of the city.

464
01:08:57,550 --> 01:09:02,810
We get thousands and thousands of visitors that come into the city of Apache Junction.

465
01:09:02,810 --> 01:09:08,690
And when I talk about keeping the city safe and keeping our crime rate continuing to go down,

466
01:09:08,910 --> 01:09:11,110
it's by using these types of technology.

467
01:09:11,810 --> 01:09:13,990
And again, we want to hear from people.

468
01:09:14,090 --> 01:09:18,730
We want to hear what's being said from our residents of Apache Junction.

469
01:09:19,910 --> 01:09:24,890
I like that picture about as much as Commander Yordos, but it is what it is.

470
01:09:25,010 --> 01:09:26,090
I can't change that face.

471
01:09:26,550 --> 01:09:31,910
So we have since, because of everything that has happened,

472
01:09:31,910 --> 01:09:34,830
If you go to our website, we have included some videos.

473
01:09:35,410 --> 01:09:42,650
We talk about how we're using technology, how we use ALPR, and we address actually the

474
01:09:42,650 --> 01:09:43,690
misuse that was done.

475
01:09:44,250 --> 01:09:49,730
And again, it's not something, it left the big bruise on our department, and we're something

476
01:09:49,730 --> 01:09:51,390
that we're trying to rebuild.

477
01:09:52,010 --> 01:09:58,590
On our website, it talks about what the technology is that we use, how Apache Junction PD uses

478
01:09:58,590 --> 01:09:58,870
it.

479
01:09:58,870 --> 01:09:59,870
the F8.

480
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:06,280
The frequently asked questions, our policy is on there as well as some of the results and outcomes that we've used.

481
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:29,840
This data that we hold is held only by the Apache Junction Police Department. It is our data. We do not share it with anybody outside of the state of Arizona. We share it with 60 other law enforcement agencies, local, state and county in Arizona. We don't share outside. We don't share with federal authorities.

482
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:34,660
These, this data is scrubbed after 30 days, and we,

483
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:38,360
for us, we know,

484
01:10:40,660 --> 01:10:43,520
find it, actually, I'll come back to that.

485
01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:47,960
We know that that's part of the question is, who owns this data?

486
01:10:48,620 --> 01:10:55,000
In our contract, it does say that we own the data that we take from these cameras.

487
01:10:55,600 --> 01:11:00,580
There's also a Senate bill that will take place on September 12th, Senate Bill 1552,

488
01:11:00,580 --> 01:11:16,880
that states that on September 12th any ALPR camera, any data that is taken from those cameras throughout the state of Arizona will not be able to be sold by any tech company, any technology database at all.

489
01:11:17,260 --> 01:11:26,020
So that will be an Arizona state law. When we talk also about the future of ALPR, one of my roles also is I'm the president of the Arizona Chiefs Association.

490
01:11:26,020 --> 01:11:33,960
So I work with Chiefs from all over the state of Arizona, we work on legislation, and we look to see what we need to do.

491
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:39,220
This last year, we did try to make it a crime if somebody misuses us.

492
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:41,540
We're going to push that again this next year.

493
01:11:41,780 --> 01:11:45,220
We know that this technology comes great responsibility.

494
01:11:45,660 --> 01:11:52,200
It is our job and our duty to make sure we're doing everything possible to put guard rails in so it's not misused.

495
01:11:52,200 --> 01:12:11,460
It is a technology I stand by, it's a technology that I know is keeping the city of Apache Junction safe and it's something that I know will continue to do so and I would be foolish to say that a misuse will never happen again, but I'm confident that the likelihood of that happening will not happen while I'm here.

496
01:12:11,460 --> 01:12:27,400
I thank you for this, I'm going to turn this over to our legal, our city attorney on some legal opinion because there has been questions raised whether this technology is constitutional or not, and I'll turn that over to Joel Stern.

497
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:31,180
Thank you, Chief Mayor and City Council.

498
01:12:33,730 --> 01:12:41,790
In 2023, this technology was brought to the city, the Chief did a wonderful job bringing that based on his experience in Tempe and other cities.

499
01:12:43,820 --> 01:12:56,240
We looked at the illegality, we had it public hearing about it, we looked at the contracts and it was basically not illegal.

500
01:12:56,780 --> 01:13:07,660
The question is, do you have to have a warrant, does law enforcement have to have a warrant to check everybody's license plate and do it the way the mayor in which flock is doing it?

501
01:13:07,660 --> 01:13:08,560
The answer is no.

502
01:13:09,980 --> 01:13:12,280
I've researched this myself personally.

503
01:13:13,220 --> 01:13:15,400
Other city attorneys have come to the same conclusion.

504
01:13:17,180 --> 01:13:22,980
And at the request of the council, I did provide approximately 20 cases to talk about

505
01:13:22,980 --> 01:13:29,920
whether a person has a reasonable expectation of privacy in public when they're driving their car

506
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:31,580
and over their license plate.

507
01:13:31,860 --> 01:13:35,240
And the answer is they do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy.

508
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:39,020
It's in plain view, anybody could see their license plate.

509
01:13:39,780 --> 01:13:43,680
And that basically, if you look at the cases, that's what the case is talking about.

510
01:13:45,860 --> 01:13:50,500
Now, people talk about, well, you know, you have to get a cell phone, for a cell phone,

511
01:13:50,820 --> 01:13:52,440
what a suspect has a cell phone.

512
01:13:53,180 --> 01:13:54,380
And you have to get a warrant for that.

513
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:55,640
You absolutely do.

514
01:13:56,480 --> 01:13:59,320
And I have some other cases that I didn't put in here because I didn't want to confuse

515
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:02,280
the public on what is illegal versus what is not legal.

516
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:06,980
There is a GPS device where that's attached to a car.

517
01:14:07,260 --> 01:14:08,140
You need a warrant for that.

518
01:14:08,660 --> 01:14:09,580
You absolutely do.

519
01:14:09,740 --> 01:14:11,640
You did in 2012 and you still do today.

520
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:14,500
That's a Supreme Court ruling on US versus Jones.

521
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:21,720
There is the cell site location information called CSLI.

522
01:14:22,480 --> 01:14:27,140
Once again, a Supreme Court decided, and that's carpenter

523
01:14:27,140 --> 01:14:34,880
versus United States, that you, in order to check someone's cell phone to see if you were,

524
01:14:35,100 --> 01:14:38,500
say you're a bank robber and you had a cell phone. That's what happened in a whole bunch

525
01:14:38,500 --> 01:14:45,380
of these cases. And they did have a warrant. It's legal. If you don't have a warrant, you

526
01:14:45,380 --> 01:14:51,040
can't check someone's cell phone. Now, there's some exceptions, a consent, but those bad

527
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:58,000
guys don't consent. However, the police department needs a warrant to check people's cell phones.

528
01:14:58,000 --> 01:14:59,960
Cell phone is like it's part of the phone, it's like it's part of the phone, it's part of the phone.

529
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:29,860
Part of them, they're moving constantly. That cell phone sends out signals from a tower and the tower gets back to the cell phone. And it tells you, tells the police where that person is. And sometimes depending on the strength of the cell tower, it could be three to five times a minute. That there's pings that go back to that cell phone. That's quite different when you have these cameras. AJ has, I think, 30 cameras. Some of these cases that I have

530
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:34,480
There's these larger cities where there's a well over 100 cameras.

531
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:41,820
Some I think one had 188 cameras in Norfolk, and yes, that was legal to have those cameras

532
01:15:41,820 --> 01:15:42,880
even in that many.

533
01:15:43,740 --> 01:15:45,040
And did it track the car?

534
01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:48,080
It did, to a certain degree, but not every single second.

535
01:15:48,940 --> 01:15:54,700
In the cell phone cases, that is much more tracked, and that's why you need a warrant.

536
01:15:57,220 --> 01:16:02,280
Geofent cell phone also to track to see that involved, that's a Supreme Court case,

537
01:16:02,540 --> 01:16:07,920
Chattory versus the United States. It's very recent June 29th, 26th. That involved

538
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:14,100
robberies. Some people had cell phones and they tracked them and they had, they did have a warrant

539
01:16:14,100 --> 01:16:19,280
in that case. There were three levels of getting into the information and that was the only problem with that case.

540
01:16:20,340 --> 01:16:30,000
So, the answer is, you don't need a warrant to do the ALPR process or system.

541
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:32,300
Now, will that change someday?

542
01:16:32,480 --> 01:16:39,920
It depends on the Supreme Court, it depends on other circuits, but right now, it is completely legal.

543
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:44,760
And I applaud the chief for bringing this technology to the city where we have save lives.

544
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:44,840
Yes.

545
01:16:45,700 --> 01:16:46,140
Fair.

546
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:47,400
Real quick.

547
01:16:47,620 --> 01:16:48,960
Did the Supreme Court rule on that?

548
01:16:50,020 --> 01:16:53,840
Uh, the Supreme Court has that rule on that exact issue, but there are, there are,

549
01:16:54,060 --> 01:16:59,380
there are cases that have led up to that, uh, where there's some circuits.

550
01:17:00,060 --> 01:17:00,460
But they do.

551
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:02,980
Other circuits did, yes.

552
01:17:03,220 --> 01:17:06,440
And I've got about 20 cases here from different, uh, courts.

553
01:17:06,740 --> 01:17:07,000
Right.

554
01:17:07,180 --> 01:17:08,760
Nine circuits, but we're on there, correct?

555
01:17:09,100 --> 01:17:09,320
Yes.

556
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:10,960
They did rule on it.

557
01:17:11,140 --> 01:17:12,640
They said it was not illegal, correct?

558
01:17:13,020 --> 01:17:13,460
Yes.

559
01:17:13,460 --> 01:17:14,540
So,

560
01:17:17,090 --> 01:17:26,870
thank you, Mr. Stern, just in closing before we go into questions, I, you know, we are an organization that prides

561
01:17:26,870 --> 01:17:36,030
ourself in this community. We love the city of Apache Junction. My daughter works at Walmart. I go to Walmart all the time here.

562
01:17:37,210 --> 01:17:42,270
I'm in this community. We want to do what's right for the city of Apache Junction.

563
01:17:43,390 --> 01:17:45,670
We appreciate everyone that's here tonight.

564
01:17:46,230 --> 01:17:51,630
When I walked in, sorry, everybody in red, I thought it was because they supported the fire department, but it's here for something else.

565
01:17:53,090 --> 01:17:54,310
And I appreciate that.

566
01:17:54,770 --> 01:17:58,150
I bring, try to bring a little humor because I want this to be a good discussion.

567
01:17:58,230 --> 01:18:05,590
I want to hear from the men and women that are here that have taken time out of their busy day and

568
01:18:05,590 --> 01:18:08,130
to speak and to share with us.

569
01:18:08,490 --> 01:18:09,710
I think we can learn from that.

570
01:18:09,710 --> 01:18:16,210
But in closing, I want to just say that this community deserves the best policing possible.

571
01:18:16,830 --> 01:18:19,950
It is a community that has been overlooked often.

572
01:18:20,430 --> 01:18:24,350
It is a community that has not had the best service sometimes.

573
01:18:24,830 --> 01:18:27,010
We're trying to do that, we're trying to change that.

574
01:18:27,530 --> 01:18:33,190
When I sit across the table from victims of crime, it sticks with me.

575
01:18:33,530 --> 01:18:39,370
And there are certain cases that we have not been able to solve to this day because we did

576
01:18:39,370 --> 01:18:42,150
not have the technology that we have at our hands today.

577
01:18:43,170 --> 01:18:45,510
And those are specific cases that I remember

578
01:18:46,150 --> 01:18:47,410
from when I was in Tempe.

579
01:18:48,230 --> 01:18:50,890
And one of them was the victim we found out here,

580
01:18:51,150 --> 01:18:55,310
Adrian Salinas, and her body was out here about eight

581
01:18:55,310 --> 01:18:56,170
or nine years ago.

582
01:18:56,570 --> 01:18:58,030
And to this day, it's still unsolved.

583
01:18:58,710 --> 01:19:02,290
The reason I put a camera on lost Dutchman and Meridian

584
01:19:02,870 --> 01:19:04,450
is because had we had a camera there,

585
01:19:04,550 --> 01:19:08,750
we would have caught the individual that took her and killed her.

586
01:19:08,750 --> 01:19:16,710
I'm confident of that and I'm here to answer any questions and I will be as honest and open and transparent as possible.

587
01:19:16,870 --> 01:19:17,230
Anyone

588
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:20,520
have any questions?

589
01:19:25,830 --> 01:19:26,290
Go ahead.

590
01:19:27,350 --> 01:19:32,490
Chief, you're guidelines that you have changed to for flock.

591
01:19:33,870 --> 01:19:39,370
One of the ones that concerns me a little bit is the 30-day retention before they get scrubbed.

592
01:19:39,370 --> 01:19:47,010
Now, realistically, every day I pass a camera that 30 days gets reset, doesn't it not?

593
01:19:47,310 --> 01:19:55,510
I mean, if I pass it September 1st, September 1st gets scrubbed October 1st, but September 2nd,

594
01:19:55,810 --> 01:19:59,350
October 2nd, so on and so forth, so it's never really being scrubbed.

595
01:19:59,350 --> 01:19:59,590
Um.

596
01:20:00,050 --> 01:20:30,030
If this body makes a decision on the fate of the cameras, is there any sort of, I like to see, like, seven days. Is this something that could be achieved? Yes, it could be. And again, as a body of law enforcement in Arizona, and I speak with chiefs from all over the state of Arizona. There are some cities that are saying they don't want these cameras at all, and the chiefs are

597
01:20:30,030 --> 01:20:35,310
are bending to those and going away from them.

598
01:20:35,390 --> 01:20:37,250
Like I said, many are going to other cameras,

599
01:20:37,610 --> 01:20:40,070
but one of the things that we discuss is retention.

600
01:20:40,870 --> 01:20:43,850
And right now there is no set guidelines,

601
01:20:44,330 --> 01:20:46,850
but what we've agreed on that we've seen in cases

602
01:20:46,850 --> 01:20:49,790
that have helped us to solve cases is 30 days.

603
01:20:50,450 --> 01:20:53,950
The reason is because sometimes if you go away on vacation,

604
01:20:54,650 --> 01:20:56,970
you come back and you may see your house has been broken

605
01:20:56,970 --> 01:20:59,650
into or your business has been vandalized

606
01:20:59,650 --> 01:21:05,370
or whatever it may be, sometimes there is delay in reporting, and we believe that at 30

607
01:21:05,370 --> 01:21:09,090
days is going to be the time that is best to keep.

608
01:21:09,670 --> 01:21:11,350
Once that data is gone, it is gone.

609
01:21:11,590 --> 01:21:12,690
We cannot retrieve it.

610
01:21:12,790 --> 01:21:13,670
We can't get a warrant.

611
01:21:13,870 --> 01:21:15,690
We can't get engineers to bring it back.

612
01:21:15,810 --> 01:21:17,930
It is completely gone.

613
01:21:18,750 --> 01:21:25,710
At some point, if the decision is made for seven days, at least we still have the cameras.

614
01:21:26,510 --> 01:21:34,530
So another question. So could you tell me the so Tempe said no more? Correct. And what are the other cities that say no more?

615
01:21:35,010 --> 01:21:51,510
Right now it's surprised, carefree, and chamber. So there's four all together so far. Correct. So now if they don't have the system that kind of defeats the purpose of the system other places, right?

616
01:21:51,510 --> 01:21:57,490
because then you won't be able to work with Tempe or you won't be able to work with Surprise.

617
01:21:57,670 --> 01:22:01,990
You'll only be able to work with the cities and towns that have this camera.

618
01:22:03,130 --> 01:22:11,430
And the more they filter them out, the less it makes it what it is, correct?

619
01:22:11,670 --> 01:22:15,350
I mean, other than that, if it comes out to the point where Apache Jones says, hey, look,

620
01:22:15,890 --> 01:22:19,510
we don't mind the technology. We love the idea of protecting our citizens.

621
01:22:23,090 --> 01:22:29,570
If it's not enough to share with other communities, then what's the real purpose behind

622
01:22:29,570 --> 01:22:30,070
flocking?

623
01:22:30,450 --> 01:22:34,690
If the real purpose is to be able to share our information with other cities and towns

624
01:22:34,690 --> 01:22:37,430
in the valley or in the state of Arizona, do you know what I mean?

625
01:22:37,630 --> 01:22:37,890
Yes.

626
01:22:38,450 --> 01:22:40,690
That is a part of it.

627
01:22:40,870 --> 01:22:41,110
You're right.

628
01:22:41,270 --> 01:22:41,930
Absolutely right.

629
01:22:42,130 --> 01:22:45,110
When you share data, it does help across.

630
01:22:45,110 --> 01:22:50,310
We know criminals in a, that come to Apache Junction, don't just stay in Apache Junction.

631
01:22:50,410 --> 01:22:55,510
They go to Mace, a good year, surprise, Flagstaff, Yuma, and that's where that becomes

632
01:22:55,510 --> 01:22:56,070
into place.

633
01:22:56,430 --> 01:23:02,390
What it does help us is when we have a fatal hit and run accident on Apache Trail, and we

634
01:23:02,390 --> 01:23:07,270
use our cameras to identify a vehicle that's a suspect in that hit and run.

635
01:23:07,270 --> 01:23:17,090
So if something happened in TEPP, they still have the ability to put that information in the database that we picked up.

636
01:23:17,210 --> 01:23:23,030
It's not necessarily the flock database. It's just the state of Arizona's database.

637
01:23:23,310 --> 01:23:23,830
That is accurate.

638
01:23:25,930 --> 01:23:29,390
Mayor, yes, a big issue.

639
01:23:30,470 --> 01:23:35,850
What are the safety protocols you have put in place right now since we did have a violation?

640
01:23:35,850 --> 01:23:41,510
And I want everybody out there to understand police officers are humans and they can make

641
01:23:41,510 --> 01:23:42,750
bad decisions.

642
01:23:43,430 --> 01:23:50,730
Anytime a police officer uses any government equipment for personal use, it is not good

643
01:23:50,730 --> 01:23:53,330
and they should be dealt with and held accountable.

644
01:23:53,950 --> 01:23:59,870
Can you please go over what the safety protocols you put in since this happened in AJ?

645
01:24:00,730 --> 01:24:00,950
Yes.

646
01:24:01,410 --> 01:24:02,630
Thank you, Councilman Solar.

647
01:24:03,770 --> 01:24:05,550
We have made several changes.

648
01:24:05,810 --> 01:24:11,810
One of them is we have taken access away from several of personnel in our department.

649
01:24:11,990 --> 01:24:17,390
We still have enough personnel that are operational, that at any point we'll have the ability

650
01:24:17,390 --> 01:24:18,310
to look up vehicles.

651
01:24:19,030 --> 01:24:21,270
Now it's just not throughout the whole department.

652
01:24:21,910 --> 01:24:27,610
We also have a, if it's not an active investigation, they have to get supervisory approval.

653
01:24:27,610 --> 01:24:32,270
And it has to be cleared by a supervisor to run a vehicle through this database.

654
01:24:32,850 --> 01:24:38,690
We also have begun doing weekly audits, where our support services command is now doing

655
01:24:38,690 --> 01:24:39,490
weekly audits.

656
01:24:39,490 --> 01:24:41,930
It's the same command that oversees our internal affairs.

657
01:24:42,730 --> 01:24:46,390
And we look into anything that may jump out or stand out to us.

658
01:24:47,050 --> 01:24:49,170
Those are some of the things we did immediately.

659
01:24:49,870 --> 01:24:52,010
And you're working on a bill to make it a crime.

660
01:24:52,610 --> 01:24:52,830
We are.

661
01:24:53,150 --> 01:24:53,290
Yes.

662
01:24:53,590 --> 01:24:54,610
And it's not just me.

663
01:24:54,610 --> 01:24:56,490
it is the entire state of Arizona.

664
01:24:57,010 --> 01:24:59,750
We're working with a few different senators, Arizona.

665
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:09,240
The state senators that are going to be looking at bringing legislation, again, this year, to address this issue. Thank you, sir. Thank you.

666
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:13,220
Thank

667
01:25:17,830 --> 01:25:37,050
you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor, members of council. Appreciate it. Okay, I will now open the public hearing. There is a five minute time limit with one minute warning indicated by the yellow light. Please state your name.

668
01:25:37,050 --> 01:25:38,950
name and address for the record.

669
01:25:40,010 --> 01:25:49,590
If you're in a group, we would like you to speak, wait, we ask you to pick one representative

670
01:25:49,590 --> 01:25:54,210
to address the council and please be respectable of each speaker.

671
01:25:55,390 --> 01:25:59,770
All right, one of the things that I want to emphasize the fact is, you know, we need to allow

672
01:26:00,530 --> 01:26:05,530
everyone to speak, that wants to speak and be able to say what they wanted to say.

673
01:26:06,350 --> 01:26:12,930
If you agree or disagree with it, please be silent in the aspect on it.

674
01:26:13,910 --> 01:26:19,070
We'll accept some claps, but no booing, hissing, or anything along this line.

675
01:26:19,910 --> 01:26:25,770
We're definitely here as an adult wanting to address an issue and have everyone make comments.

676
01:26:26,410 --> 01:26:30,710
Hey Mayor, real quick, we're not here against you or for you.

677
01:26:31,170 --> 01:26:34,350
We're here to have a good discussion, you know.

678
01:26:35,210 --> 01:26:41,150
I'm not a big brother fan myself, but, you know, we're here to discuss the pros and

679
01:26:41,150 --> 01:26:41,470
cons.

680
01:26:42,250 --> 01:26:42,770
You're honor.

681
01:26:43,190 --> 01:26:43,330
Yes.

682
01:26:43,730 --> 01:26:48,710
And we want to thank you guys for stowing up the reason why we put this on the agenda tonight

683
01:26:48,710 --> 01:26:54,270
because we feel that the public has the right to speak their minds and I'm glad we had

684
01:26:54,270 --> 01:26:55,350
a good turnout.

685
01:26:56,210 --> 01:26:58,410
Can't wait to hear what you guys have to say.

686
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:27,120
I'm not picking on Chief Pooly here but I did talk to him yesterday and I said that one

687
01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:30,920
of the things I guess that when he did the press conference in the beginning of the

688
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:37,220
press conference, he stated that the person, the officer, was doing a welfare check on

689
01:27:37,220 --> 01:27:37,860
a family member.

690
01:27:38,060 --> 01:27:42,860
In the middle of the press conference, somebody asked if the family member was and he said

691
01:27:42,860 --> 01:27:43,240
a wife.

692
01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:51,240
Actually, it's a process of being a next wife and it was a disagreement or something between

693
01:27:51,240 --> 01:27:55,420
them that is the reason why he was checking into this person.

694
01:27:55,420 --> 01:28:05,060
And my understanding is you just said that where you're from that they use this technology

695
01:28:05,850 --> 01:28:11,160
and they were getting along real well with it, but my understanding is Tempe has shut

696
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:17,140
down 30 of their cameras on August 26th.

697
01:28:17,140 --> 01:28:24,620
De Santos in Florida, he shut down all the cameras on the state highways the governor

698
01:28:24,620 --> 01:28:33,460
So, across the United States as a whole, 214 cities, towns, or counties have shut down

699
01:28:33,460 --> 01:28:34,080
their cameras.

700
01:28:34,940 --> 01:28:44,720
Now, I am opposed to the cameras, yes, I am, because I feel that my privacy, all privacy,

701
01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:51,380
has been sold, and in return, I'm supposedly getting security.

702
01:28:52,140 --> 01:28:56,720
And once our privacy is gone, and not going to get it back.

703
01:28:59,420 --> 01:29:06,280
So I would like the flock cameras take it down until that AI is smart enough where,

704
01:29:06,700 --> 01:29:11,600
if an amber alert comes in and it's on a white vehicle with BHP as a license plate,

705
01:29:11,780 --> 01:29:15,820
and that flock is only standard for white vehicles with BHP in the license plate,

706
01:29:15,940 --> 01:29:18,860
and not taking pictures of every car that's on the road,

707
01:29:18,860 --> 01:29:24,740
I don't need you to know the date and time I went down certain roads and where the heck

708
01:29:24,740 --> 01:29:27,180
I was going because there's nobody's business but my own.

709
01:29:28,140 --> 01:29:32,440
And like I was asked by Chief Booley, what about your cell phone?

710
01:29:33,080 --> 01:29:34,200
Yes, I do have a cell phone.

711
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:35,140
Yes, it does have a tracker.

712
01:29:35,140 --> 01:29:39,700
And yes, I do have a Faraday bag so I can stick it in there anytime that I want to go someplace

713
01:29:40,220 --> 01:29:42,120
where it's none of anybody's business where I go.

714
01:29:44,480 --> 01:29:52,480
And I would also like to give to the city another 95 signatures from people who want the

715
01:29:52,480 --> 01:29:53,340
It's locked in one day.

716
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:05,580
So, um, I

717
01:30:09,870 --> 01:30:16,270
think that's probably it that I'm going to say, but I'm pretty sure that a lot of other people have something to say about it as well. Thank you for your time.

718
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:44,000
Hi, my name is David Day, um, and the county. Merry Christmas. I'm opposed to the flock cameras. You know, the community I came from, one of the reasons I moved here was law enforcement. We have a law enforcement that we can appreciate and we can trust here.

719
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:48,960
I have more faith in them yesterday than I do today.

720
01:30:50,100 --> 01:30:52,180
The flock cameras didn't build trust.

721
01:30:52,660 --> 01:30:53,380
It took it away.

722
01:30:54,260 --> 01:31:03,120
You know, it was said that he who sacrifices security for freedom gets neither.

723
01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:06,320
I don't agree with the flock cameras.

724
01:31:08,680 --> 01:31:13,240
I think the biggest thing is the people don't agree with them.

725
01:31:13,240 --> 01:31:20,430
And if you put it out to the majority, the majority of the people are saying that I've seen are saying no, they don't want them and

726
01:31:21,020 --> 01:31:23,960
Ultimately, it should be their choice. Not anybody else's

727
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:27,540
End it there. Good

728
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:41,760
evening, Council Mayor

729
01:31:42,580 --> 01:31:46,920
My name is Dan Whitter and I live here in Apache Junction

730
01:31:47,700 --> 01:31:53,300
I want to thank everybody for showing up tonight. Are we gonna have a little speech? I'm sorry

731
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:55,000
Your dress please

732
01:31:56,300 --> 01:31:58,200
4-5-5-0 north-gold drive.

733
01:31:58,600 --> 01:31:59,100
Thank you.

734
01:31:59,100 --> 01:31:59,800
You're welcome, Rob.

735
01:32:00,660 --> 01:32:06,740
Mr. Stern, you mentioned that the nights of your court rule on this, I can't find it.

736
01:32:07,400 --> 01:32:08,420
I've never seen that.

737
01:32:09,060 --> 01:32:11,660
So if you give that case, I'm going to look further into the issue.

738
01:32:18,680 --> 01:32:23,820
APL cameras have done something that almost no other issue has done for decades.

739
01:32:24,380 --> 01:32:27,340
They brought people from both sides of the aisle together.

740
01:32:27,340 --> 01:32:30,760
in opposition of one subject.

741
01:32:33,860 --> 01:32:36,820
I heard that a councilman said that conservatives

742
01:32:36,820 --> 01:32:42,780
love flock cameras and I'm here to differ with you. I never said that. I spent a

743
01:32:42,780 --> 01:32:47,800
couple of hours watching the flock contract discussion in May of 22 and a few

744
01:32:47,800 --> 01:32:51,900
councilmembers who were no longer here briefly touched on the privacy and the

745
01:32:51,900 --> 01:32:58,840
fourth amendment. You're right. Supreme Court hasn't ruled on it but you're on

746
01:32:58,840 --> 01:33:03,720
the wrong side of history and the way things are going right now, it's not going to be long.

747
01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:11,240
You can set guardrails, chief. It's called the Fourth Amendment. Get a warrant. You don't

748
01:33:11,240 --> 01:33:17,860
need state legislature. You don't need the federal government to do it. You can do that yourself.

749
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:28,060
During that May 22 meeting, the mayor mentioned that a woman had called him concerned about

750
01:33:28,060 --> 01:33:36,100
her being tracked to Wal-Mart and some of you guys laughed but you missed the point. It's

751
01:33:36,100 --> 01:33:41,660
not about a camera taking a picture of a licensed plate. It's about the system built around

752
01:33:41,660 --> 01:33:44,640
the camera that tracks you everywhere you go.

753
01:33:47,220 --> 01:33:49,980
It's not just the Wal-Mart. It's the gun

754
01:33:49,980 --> 01:33:55,440
stores, the gun ranges, the church, the political events, the doctors. It's building a database

755
01:33:55,440 --> 01:33:56,540
on you.

756
01:33:59,880 --> 01:34:04,660
The only person who voted no on that was you. And I appreciate it. I don't quite understand

757
01:34:04,660 --> 01:34:07,600
why I watched it, but I'm not sure why.

758
01:34:09,980 --> 01:34:12,700
I was shocked that none of my nobody brought up the

759
01:34:12,700 --> 01:34:14,980
fourth amendment, nobody brought up privacy issues.

760
01:34:20,020 --> 01:34:22,380
These cameras are invasive, and the way this

761
01:34:22,380 --> 01:34:27,540
technology does, it's getting more invasive every day. Another council member said, well, not all

762
01:34:28,140 --> 01:34:32,520
Constitutionalist. Well, I'm here to tell you you should be because everything you do,

763
01:34:32,700 --> 01:34:37,460
every law you pass, every law of the state passes, every law of the federal government passes,

764
01:34:37,620 --> 01:34:44,360
should pass constitutional mustard. Okay? You need to be a constitutionalist first. You can't just be

765
01:34:44,360 --> 01:34:49,080
a constitutionalist long enough to put your hand on a Bible and swear in and swear to protect the

766
01:34:49,080 --> 01:34:55,380
Constitution and then say, oh, well, I'm not a constitutionalist anymore. I didn't work that way.

767
01:34:57,200 --> 01:34:59,780
The Chandler Police Chief, and I'm going to quote him, said,

768
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:28,720
Transparency, accountability, and public trust, hallmarks of the High Fluncene Police Department. And I would argue that Apache junctions failing in those areas. Chief, I heard you talk about a couple of these. First of all, look at this room. This doesn't show public trust. This shows public distrust. Transparency. On July 7, 2026, I filed a FOIA request. Requesting search terms, audit loves, copy of the flock contract.

769
01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:42,260
It took 27 days for Chris Moreno of the patchy junction police department to get back to me and say, well, you can have a contract, but you can't have anything else because we're just not required to give it to you.

770
01:35:43,620 --> 01:35:52,740
Running out the clock 27 days on data that's only kept 30 days isn't the way to operate a transparent police department.

771
01:35:53,640 --> 01:36:04,980
It's not. I paid for that contract on August 20th. I still don't have it chief. Accountability,

772
01:36:05,160 --> 01:36:08,400
your officer violated flock rules according to the chief. The investigation started in

773
01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:12,760
April and ran into July. The officer was allowed to resign before termination, no criminal

774
01:36:12,760 --> 01:36:16,520
charges were filed. It should not take three months to investigate something as you can

775
01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:21,920
pull up auto logs in seconds. This searchable database, you can see what people did immediately

776
01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:27,440
an interview a few people and close it out. The delay was highly suspicious. Arizona has criminal

777
01:36:27,440 --> 01:36:32,600
statutes that can apply to these unauthorized use of law enforcement databases. There has

778
01:36:32,600 --> 01:36:37,900
been no real accountability. Based on all this, we've entered into the error of pre-crime

779
01:36:37,900 --> 01:36:43,700
and the minority report. Investigations have now turned upside down. They used to work a different

780
01:36:43,700 --> 01:36:46,840
way. Okay, thank you. That's text now. Thank you.

781
01:36:55,480 --> 01:36:56,600
Thank you, Mayor. Thank you,

782
01:36:56,600 --> 01:36:57,660
Vice Mayor, thank you, Council.

783
01:36:57,840 --> 01:36:59,820
Thank you to everybody here in watching at home.

784
01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:01,060
I'm Barbie Ingle.

785
01:37:01,220 --> 01:37:03,120
I live at 4980 North Idaho.

786
01:37:03,560 --> 01:37:04,920
Sorry, I am like dried.

787
01:37:06,120 --> 01:37:11,900
And I urge the Council to stop the city's use of flock

788
01:37:11,900 --> 01:37:14,100
in ALPR surveillance cameras and devices.

789
01:37:14,260 --> 01:37:16,160
When I say flock, I'm using a brand name

790
01:37:16,160 --> 01:37:17,760
such as Kleenex to tissue.

791
01:37:18,320 --> 01:37:21,820
And I am referring to all such devices and the system.

792
01:37:22,240 --> 01:37:24,400
The system creates a detailed record

793
01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:27,480
of nearly every vehicle's movement without warrants,

794
01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:30,520
invading privacy, and raising serious

795
01:37:30,520 --> 01:37:35,460
for the minimum concerns, such as how far does a patchy

796
01:37:35,460 --> 01:37:38,020
junction police and government surveillance actually reach?

797
01:37:38,580 --> 01:37:41,740
How many of those agencies, 60, 100, we've heard different

798
01:37:41,740 --> 01:37:45,240
numbers, how far is that reaching?

799
01:37:45,500 --> 01:37:46,020
Who are they?

800
01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:50,000
They also undermine the due process when the information

801
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:52,640
is assessed in non-emergency situations.

802
01:37:52,640 --> 01:38:05,080
Many of the flock systems be they on the side of the street or in a drone or temporarily in a parking lot or at an event can do much more than just read a plate a typical roadside flock LPR is not just a plate reader.

803
01:38:05,400 --> 01:38:21,060
It builds in searchable visible profile that the car in logs and where they are and when that car was seen and in general it does not officially name or biometrically identify the driver.

804
01:38:21,060 --> 01:38:29,040
but the broader flock video audio products and AI components that are coming online now when they

805
01:38:29,040 --> 01:38:35,560
were not online in 2023. It is the issue now. As those are being updated and brought through,

806
01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:42,160
that software is layered on top of the cameras network and can be seen and searched much more than

807
01:38:42,160 --> 01:38:48,120
just a plate number. They affect the first amendment by chilling freedom of speech, assembly,

808
01:38:48,120 --> 01:38:54,440
and association, people avoid rallies, protests, political meetings, places of worship knowing

809
01:38:54,440 --> 01:38:59,180
that their travel is locked, sorry, locked and searched or searchable.

810
01:39:00,280 --> 01:39:06,220
Even their claims claim to benefits such as locating a missing person or responding to a welfare

811
01:39:06,220 --> 01:39:09,040
check, do not erase the constitutional problem.

812
01:39:09,200 --> 01:39:15,180
When the government builds a continuous searchable record of nearly every vehicle's movement and

813
01:39:15,180 --> 01:39:20,140
And then queries that database without a warrant, it is still conducting a search of private

814
01:39:20,140 --> 01:39:21,320
location information.

815
01:39:23,620 --> 01:39:29,760
The fact that the outcome is sometimes beneficial does not transform a warrantless search into

816
01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:30,480
a lawful one.

817
01:39:30,940 --> 01:39:36,560
Courts have long held that good intentions or successful results do not excuse violations

818
01:39:36,560 --> 01:39:37,580
of our fourth amendment.

819
01:39:38,480 --> 01:39:42,900
The same technology that can help find a missing child can equally be used.

820
01:39:42,900 --> 01:39:57,300
And we've already seen that here in Apache Junction for personal tracking under the guise of a welfare check as the infrastructure of mass surveillance exists and improves with AI, the temptation and the opportunity for misuse are permanent.

821
01:39:57,300 --> 01:39:59,980
The 14th Amendment also implicates the du-

822
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:28,980
The process risks from errors that lead to wrongdoing, wrongful stops and by potential for unequal application across communities. We have actually, we have already seen officer misuse here in Apache Junction as suggested tonight or stated tonight. And it resulted in a resignation, Chandler, Arizona and Tempe and others have also discontinued the use of their systems.

823
01:40:28,980 --> 01:40:35,020
What exactly is Apache Junction getting in return for this extraordinary level of surveillance?

824
01:40:35,520 --> 01:40:44,280
Please consider restoring our constitutional protections in public trust by ending the use of this continuous camera surveillance of we, the people.

825
01:40:44,820 --> 01:40:55,500
The funds that are currently being spent on these systems could instead be used to support the right respecting respectful approaches.

826
01:40:55,500 --> 01:40:58,600
And that could be hiring additional police officers.

827
01:40:59,200 --> 01:41:03,300
That could be enhancing training and investigative capabilities.

828
01:41:03,300 --> 01:41:07,960
That could be strengthening community policing and targeting patrols.

829
01:41:09,060 --> 01:41:14,420
All of which are tools that put more officers on the streets, give people jobs,

830
01:41:14,660 --> 01:41:21,460
improve public safety without creating a warrantless record of nearly every resident's movements.

831
01:41:22,020 --> 01:41:22,780
Thank you for your time.

832
01:41:22,780 --> 01:41:29,800
And also there is two cases out of Virginia where the judge did rule in favor that it was unconstitutional to the fourth amendment.

833
01:41:30,240 --> 01:41:31,200
Thank you very much.

834
01:41:37,610 --> 01:41:42,190
Good evening mayor, vice mayor of council members, staff, community members.

835
01:41:42,650 --> 01:41:44,150
My name is Pamber Edshaw.

836
01:41:44,630 --> 01:41:46,430
I'm a resident of Apache Junction.

837
01:41:46,890 --> 01:41:51,030
I live at 30405 South Tomahawk Road, number 58.

838
01:41:51,870 --> 01:41:53,690
And I've been there for 30 years.

839
01:41:53,690 --> 01:42:01,130
I am not a criminal, I am a law-abiding citizen, yet they flock and flock like cameras.

840
01:42:01,550 --> 01:42:02,950
Take every vehicle that passes.

841
01:42:03,610 --> 01:42:10,010
Mine included, they are recording location, time, make, model, and more.

842
01:42:10,690 --> 01:42:11,530
24-7.

843
01:42:12,350 --> 01:42:19,770
As technology improves, these privacy outreach devices are updated to see more and more of my daily

844
01:42:19,770 --> 01:42:27,510
life as well as yours. Anyone with access or who can buy or misuse the system can follow

845
01:42:27,510 --> 01:42:33,810
where I go. If someone has a grudge they can use that data to harm me or my family.

846
01:42:34,470 --> 01:42:40,650
There's little real recourse or ability to sue or correct the damage. Once it's done,

847
01:42:40,810 --> 01:42:46,170
it's done. We already saw this risk here in Apache Junction when an officer used the

848
01:42:46,170 --> 01:42:51,250
system to track his wife and he resigned before being fired.

849
01:42:51,590 --> 01:42:55,370
These cameras also watch the vehicles of young children and families.

850
01:42:56,050 --> 01:43:01,390
Constant tracking creates opportunities for harm that no parent should have to accept.

851
01:43:02,110 --> 01:43:08,710
Finally, this is mass surveillance by a government agency of innocent people without a warrant that

852
01:43:08,710 --> 01:43:14,070
goes against the spirit of our Constitution and citizens of the United States.

853
01:43:14,070 --> 01:43:21,270
We are becoming a communist-like country with facial recognition and more at the fingertips

854
01:43:21,270 --> 01:43:24,690
of our government and governmental agencies.

855
01:43:25,210 --> 01:43:28,850
Data collected here can be shared far beyond our city.

856
01:43:29,330 --> 01:43:34,190
Once it leaves our control, we have no idea who sees it or how it will be used.

857
01:43:34,730 --> 01:43:40,090
Sites like maps, deflock.org, show just how widespread this network has become.

858
01:43:40,090 --> 01:43:46,490
from tens of thousands of these cameras nationwide, mostly flock, creating detailed movement,

859
01:43:46,990 --> 01:43:53,650
records on everyone. I ask you to reject, not to renew, the tracker contracts, and remove

860
01:43:53,650 --> 01:43:59,770
these cameras from Apache Junction. The Constitution is important to me, and it should be important

861
01:43:59,770 --> 01:44:06,170
to you. Protect our privacy. And now I'll give you an example. A friend of mine, let's just

862
01:44:06,170 --> 01:44:12,950
column Jack went to have his oil changed at the normal person that he's always had his oil changed

863
01:44:12,950 --> 01:44:21,990
at. He was sitting in the in the outer office and 15 minutes into going over his vehicle the

864
01:44:21,990 --> 01:44:29,150
attended came up and said Jack have you got the new license plate? He says no I've got the same

865
01:44:29,150 --> 01:44:35,210
license plate I've always had. Guess what? Somebody had switched his license plate. I know that seems

866
01:44:35,210 --> 01:44:41,170
like a facetious thing. But somebody had done that, had a been a police officer, and this license

867
01:44:41,170 --> 01:44:47,210
plate been somebody that was a robber, and had the brains, which some of them don't, to go and

868
01:44:47,210 --> 01:44:53,730
take a license off of a car. And now this person would have been pulled over, had the oil change

869
01:44:53,730 --> 01:44:58,730
person not found it out for him. It's a possibility. Things like that can happen.

870
01:44:58,930 --> 01:44:59,970
People aren't

871
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:21,760
They aren't stupid anymore. They're always looking for a way out when they're doing bad things. So, please think again about these cameras. I know that's only one and I hope I haven't given anybody the idea to go change the license plate on somebody's car because guess what? It's December 27 instead of October of 26. Thank you.

872
01:45:32,130 --> 01:45:39,010
Good evening, council. My name is Nathan Taylor Taft. You have my address on the speaker card and I'm the co-director of East Valley Unite.

873
01:45:46,630 --> 01:45:49,810
So we have members all over the east valley, including many here in Apache Junction.

874
01:45:50,290 --> 01:45:52,530
I first want to list the Arizona cities that have ended flock.

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01:45:53,150 --> 01:45:58,970
They are Sedona, Flagstaff, Sierra Vista, South Tucson, Penal County, Chandler, Surprise, Tempe, and Cave Creek.

876
01:45:59,530 --> 01:46:01,550
It's not just three cities as the chief seem to imply.

877
01:46:01,990 --> 01:46:05,610
Arizona is actually the state with the third most flock contract cancellations.

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01:46:05,610 --> 01:46:10,670
and two-thirds of Arizona voters with majorities across party lines oppose ALPR use.

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01:46:11,130 --> 01:46:14,410
I'm not here today to give an opinion that is anti-police in any way,

880
01:46:14,850 --> 01:46:17,410
rather I'm conveying concerns shared by many of your constituents

881
01:46:17,410 --> 01:46:19,550
about the dangers of flock and ALPRs

882
01:46:19,550 --> 01:46:22,270
and why you should immediately terminate the city's contract with it.

883
01:46:22,770 --> 01:46:27,090
I want to make clear that it is irresponsible to continue the use of flock cameras,

884
01:46:27,370 --> 01:46:29,890
especially after one of Apache junctions own officers

885
01:46:29,890 --> 01:46:31,750
use them to stalk his wife and kids.

886
01:46:32,070 --> 01:46:34,050
That is morally wrong on every single level

887
01:46:34,050 --> 01:46:38,070
and claiming that it's fine because an audit uncovered it and the officer resigned as ridiculous

888
01:46:38,070 --> 01:46:43,670
because it ignores the fact that the issue wasn't prevented, it was enabled by the ALPR system in

889
01:46:43,670 --> 01:46:48,530
the first place. Blocking other ALPRs are cameras that capture information on every single vehicle

890
01:46:48,530 --> 01:46:55,030
that passes by, this includes, but is not limited to, a car's license plate, date, time, location,

891
01:46:55,510 --> 01:47:00,910
make, model, bumper stickers, dense scratches, cargo carriers, anything else that AI can pick up.

892
01:47:00,910 --> 01:47:06,510
Further, despite what FLOC claims, Wired has found that cameras can track people and can

893
01:47:06,510 --> 01:47:10,150
identify characteristics such as their race, height, clothing, etc.

894
01:47:10,770 --> 01:47:13,670
This type of dragnet surveillance is what violates our constitutional rights.

895
01:47:14,190 --> 01:47:19,070
The ACLU argues that using ALPR systems gives the government unprecedented powers of surveillance

896
01:47:19,070 --> 01:47:23,490
that upset traditional expectations of privacy and violation of the Fourth Amendment.

897
01:47:24,030 --> 01:47:28,510
That's the exact reason why the Penal County Sheriff Ross Teeple canceled his contract

898
01:47:28,510 --> 01:47:29,030
with FLOC.

899
01:47:29,030 --> 01:47:33,770
They also have a list of cases related, the police department has a list of cases related

900
01:47:33,770 --> 01:47:37,290
to court saying that there isn't a reasonable expectation of privacy in public, but you

901
01:47:37,290 --> 01:47:40,050
can't convince us to not believe something right in front of our own eyes.

902
01:47:40,390 --> 01:47:44,610
With thousands of agencies with access and over 100,000 ALPRs, this is ridiculous.

903
01:47:45,350 --> 01:47:48,150
This is an example that applies to all ALPRs, not just from Block.

904
01:47:48,550 --> 01:47:51,910
This includes other companies like Axon, Motorola, Genetic, Leonardo.

905
01:47:52,830 --> 01:47:57,970
Cities around the country have adopted ALPRs with almost 140,000 reported across the country

906
01:47:57,970 --> 01:47:59,730
on the crowdsourced deflock map.

907
01:48:00,070 --> 01:48:05,810
Flock, again, just one ALPR company, scans license plates 20 billion times each month.

908
01:48:06,330 --> 01:48:10,350
This means ALPR's document millions of cars under the guise of fighting crime without

909
01:48:10,350 --> 01:48:10,770
a warrant.

910
01:48:11,230 --> 01:48:15,210
At this scale, this is mass surveillance, and it is not just done without consent, but against

911
01:48:15,210 --> 01:48:17,550
the will of the people organizing to oppose it.

912
01:48:18,050 --> 01:48:21,330
The Institute for Justice keeps a database of cases of ALPR misuse.

913
01:48:21,730 --> 01:48:27,250
There are 190 instances so far, including 50 of stocking and four in the Phoenix Metro area

914
01:48:27,250 --> 01:48:29,870
that have been discovered just since August 7th.

915
01:48:29,870 --> 01:48:32,490
Here are some examples of misuse from across the country.

916
01:48:32,950 --> 01:48:35,710
In Texas, a share of staff beauty used 83,000

917
01:48:35,710 --> 01:48:39,810
to flock ALPRs to find a woman who received medical care

918
01:48:39,810 --> 01:48:41,690
at the behest of her abusive partner.

919
01:48:42,150 --> 01:48:44,350
In Georgia, a police chief tracked his ex-girlfriend

920
01:48:44,350 --> 01:48:46,570
and her teenage daughter roughly 600 times.

921
01:48:47,190 --> 01:48:48,370
And then here, in Apache Junction,

922
01:48:48,590 --> 01:48:50,230
a police officer tracked his wife and children.

923
01:48:50,910 --> 01:48:53,990
Depending on the company, error rates can be extremely high

924
01:48:53,990 --> 01:48:56,070
in Roseville, California, and analysis

925
01:48:56,070 --> 01:48:59,730
by the police department found that in 71 percent of alerts,

926
01:49:00,010 --> 01:49:02,970
Fox machine learning software incorrectly read the license plates.

927
01:49:03,510 --> 01:49:07,670
Despite flock claiming that in favorable conditions, 96 percent of license plate

928
01:49:07,670 --> 01:49:11,970
characters are identified correctly. This has led to numerous wrongful arrests.

929
01:49:12,490 --> 01:49:16,090
Here are some examples. In Valucía County, Florida, a flock capture led officers

930
01:49:16,090 --> 01:49:19,310
to misidentify a driver's car as one linked to a fatal accident.

931
01:49:19,750 --> 01:49:22,290
He spent 13 days in jail before the error was found.

932
01:49:22,290 --> 01:49:26,970
And sure, with Arkansas, a camera misread a digit on an innocent couple's plate and flagged

933
01:49:26,970 --> 01:49:31,850
it as stolen, officers ordered the couple out at gunpoint while their six-week-old baby

934
01:49:31,850 --> 01:49:33,170
remained alone in the backseat.

935
01:49:33,690 --> 01:49:39,190
In Toledo, Ohio, a camera misread a 7 as a 2, officers detained to drive our gunpoint deployed

936
01:49:39,190 --> 01:49:42,010
a police dog against him and held him for several hours.

937
01:49:42,650 --> 01:49:46,510
When the public starts to realize what is being done, LPR companies do everything they can

938
01:49:46,510 --> 01:49:49,590
to stop contracts from ending and orders to protect their profit margins.

939
01:49:49,590 --> 01:49:53,890
Block has a whole guide for police departments on how to speak to city councils and the public

940
01:49:53,890 --> 01:49:58,490
about ALPRs to try and convince them that the technology is useful or good or necessary.

941
01:49:58,830 --> 01:49:59,970
That guide instructs police to...

942
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:26,320
To avoid the topic of mass surveillance entirely because they recognize that they won't be able to convince anyone it's not. I urge the council to immediately terminate its contract with flock, and it's said become a leader in the fight to protect our fourth amendment rights by banning this unnecessary and unwanted technology before more abuse can harm more innocent people. As Benjamin Franklin once said, those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Thank you.

943
01:50:26,320 --> 01:50:27,200
Good

944
01:50:34,940 --> 01:50:38,800
evening mayor and council members my name is Kimberly Carroll and I'm

945
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:44,000
going to resident on 628-0 East Roundup Street and a small business owner here

946
01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:48,220
in Apache Junction. I'm here about the 30-flock license plate reader

947
01:50:48,220 --> 01:50:52,400
cameras on our streets and I'm asking you to end the program not just to review it.

948
01:50:53,520 --> 01:50:57,100
We already know it's been misused officer Joshua McDaniel used our

949
01:50:57,100 --> 01:51:01,820
flock cameras to track down his own wife he resigned that's not a hypothetical risk

950
01:51:01,820 --> 01:51:05,260
it already happened in the city with our data.

951
01:51:06,260 --> 01:51:10,840
We're not alone in facing this in this last month to be cut off outside access to its

952
01:51:10,840 --> 01:51:11,620
flock database.

953
01:51:12,520 --> 01:51:16,440
Chandler ended its contract after an audit flagged unexplained activity.

954
01:51:16,940 --> 01:51:18,660
Surprise canceled its contract.

955
01:51:19,500 --> 01:51:22,840
The Penhell County Sheriff walked away over 4th-minute concerns.

956
01:51:22,840 --> 01:51:25,460
The Attorney General has opened a statewide review.

957
01:51:26,260 --> 01:51:28,160
These cameras don't just catch a plate.

958
01:51:28,160 --> 01:51:34,180
They build a digital footprint of a vehicle, where it goes, how often, what's nearby,

959
01:51:35,060 --> 01:51:39,480
across 30 cameras moving around our city, that's a record of our neighbor's daily movements,

960
01:51:39,820 --> 01:51:43,900
doctor visits, churches, custody exchanges, protest, et cetera.

961
01:51:44,600 --> 01:51:47,740
And this isn't just a policy question, it's a constitutional one.

962
01:51:48,540 --> 01:51:49,800
And it's not settled law.

963
01:51:50,760 --> 01:51:55,360
In Carpenter, verse United States is a Supreme Court rule that even though any single trip

964
01:51:55,360 --> 01:52:01,400
you take in public is visible to anyone, the government can't assemble the whole of a person's

965
01:52:01,400 --> 01:52:07,760
part. No court has struck down a network like ours yet, and I want to be honest about that.

966
01:52:07,960 --> 01:52:11,280
But this year's Supreme Court ruling in the geofencing location,

967
01:52:11,280 --> 01:52:16,420
Daddy, is already fueling a live appeal, challenging flocks, own cameras in Norfolk, Virginia.

968
01:52:17,220 --> 01:52:22,480
This question is being actively fought over in courts right now. Apache Junction doesn't need to wait

969
01:52:22,480 --> 01:52:25,400
for its own lawsuit to find out what way it lands.

970
01:52:26,080 --> 01:52:29,020
Our department says, Supervisory Appeal is now required

971
01:52:29,020 --> 01:52:30,480
for outside case searches.

972
01:52:30,860 --> 01:52:34,420
I don't doubt that's genuine, but that safeguard was written

973
01:52:34,420 --> 01:52:36,440
after the misuse, not before it.

974
01:52:37,280 --> 01:52:38,660
And I want to flag something else.

975
01:52:38,820 --> 01:52:40,080
This isn't just flock problem.

976
01:52:40,400 --> 01:52:42,520
Cities that drop flocked elsewhere have simply

977
01:52:42,520 --> 01:52:44,640
switched to companies like Axon,

978
01:52:44,840 --> 01:52:47,140
which now sells its own poll, camera,

979
01:52:47,360 --> 01:52:49,920
and a street light retrofield built to do the same job

980
01:52:49,920 --> 01:52:51,220
under a different name.

981
01:52:51,220 --> 01:52:56,600
A camera then installs into existing street lights infrastructure in under an hour doesn't

982
01:52:56,600 --> 01:53:02,500
need a visible poll or a public bid, which makes it easier to expand without residents

983
01:53:02,500 --> 01:53:03,180
even knowing.

984
01:53:04,260 --> 01:53:08,240
That's also, there's also a cybersecurity problem here that has nothing to do with our

985
01:53:08,240 --> 01:53:09,040
policy at all.

986
01:53:09,780 --> 01:53:13,680
In January of this year, Flaw confirmed that some of its camera feeds were exposed to the

987
01:53:13,680 --> 01:53:14,400
open internet.

988
01:53:15,700 --> 01:53:20,580
Outside, outsiders could watch live videos, scroll through a month or a month of archive

989
01:53:20,580 --> 01:53:26,120
footage and even deleted. Independently security researchers have documented other

990
01:53:26,120 --> 01:53:31,360
weaknesses too, like unencrypted data and exposed administrative logins, serious enough

991
01:53:31,360 --> 01:53:36,920
that two US senators formally asked the FTC to investigate. Floch says those issues were

992
01:53:36,920 --> 01:53:42,980
isolated and fixed, maybe so. But that means the safety of our resident's movement data doesn't

993
01:53:42,980 --> 01:53:48,680
just depend on our own department's policy. It depends on a private, private vendor server

994
01:53:48,680 --> 01:53:51,880
are saying secure indefinitely against everyone

995
01:53:51,880 --> 01:53:55,080
from board teenagers to foreign intelligence services.

996
01:53:55,760 --> 01:53:57,560
So I ask tonight is two things.

997
01:53:57,740 --> 01:53:59,200
And the flock contract completely

998
01:53:59,200 --> 01:54:01,780
and commit publicly that Apache Junction

999
01:54:01,780 --> 01:54:04,260
will not quietly replace it with license plate readers,

1000
01:54:04,480 --> 01:54:06,780
facial recognition or any other surveillance hardware

1001
01:54:06,780 --> 01:54:08,740
hidden in streetlights or city infrastructure.

1002
01:54:09,420 --> 01:54:11,100
From axon or anyone else,

1003
01:54:11,260 --> 01:54:14,360
any future surveillance proposal should come to this council

1004
01:54:14,360 --> 01:54:17,960
and the public and open as its own agenda item.

1005
01:54:17,960 --> 01:54:22,880
Our safety does not require surrendering a permanent record of where every one of us drives

1006
01:54:22,880 --> 01:54:27,740
and lives, every day to a private company and a database we can't see into, no matter whose

1007
01:54:27,740 --> 01:54:28,440
name is on the phone.

1008
01:54:28,820 --> 01:54:29,180
Thank you.

1009
01:54:37,650 --> 01:54:38,830
My name is Rodney Martin.

1010
01:54:38,970 --> 01:54:42,270
I live at 1665 south of Meridian Road here at Apache Junction.

1011
01:54:43,830 --> 01:54:48,210
She pully, I wore blue and red because I support you.

1012
01:54:48,350 --> 01:54:51,510
I think that I have the utmost confidence in our police department here.

1013
01:54:51,510 --> 01:54:55,990
We just have a good faith on this difference of opinion on this matter and

1014
01:54:56,510 --> 01:54:59,970
Regardless of what happens I like to work with you and come up with some

1015
01:55:04,020 --> 01:55:29,080
So, with that said, I'd like to address, I've seen comments online where this argument has gotten conflated to, if you're against flock, you don't support the police. I worked 35 years with law enforcement in a prior life. I was a judge and I worked with the Bureau of Indian Affairs Police. Member of the Latino Police Office Association, and I have known three officers, two personal friends of mine that gave their lives in the line of duty.

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01:55:29,080 --> 01:55:34,000
So, anybody that says my opposition to flock means I don't support the police, I beg to

1017
01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:34,620
differ with them.

1018
01:55:36,620 --> 01:55:40,000
I'm not going to belabor the issue, I'm not going to sit up here and demand that you

1019
01:55:40,000 --> 01:55:40,980
cancel anything.

1020
01:55:41,160 --> 01:55:46,480
I want to give you some plain language information you can do with it as you will.

1021
01:55:47,040 --> 01:55:52,260
I looked at these cases, I must say my good friend Richard here, we've got to go to lunch

1022
01:55:52,260 --> 01:55:53,020
and talk about these.

1023
01:55:53,140 --> 01:55:56,200
I'm not sure all these are on point, especially the 1967 case.

1024
01:55:57,140 --> 01:56:03,120
What in a lot of these cases omit is the AI technology and the tracking.

1025
01:56:03,260 --> 01:56:04,740
Sure, your license plates for a game.

1026
01:56:05,140 --> 01:56:06,360
Your fair game in public.

1027
01:56:06,820 --> 01:56:07,660
Anybody can take a picture.

1028
01:56:08,420 --> 01:56:09,080
I don't like it.

1029
01:56:09,200 --> 01:56:14,140
Some stranger comes in and takes a picture or the cop points of radar are going at me when I'm going five over

1030
01:56:14,140 --> 01:56:16,300
and I've sweating bullets that he doesn't pull me over.

1031
01:56:16,920 --> 01:56:21,240
And I asked the number of police officers out here if they're going to take pictures of my license plate

1032
01:56:21,240 --> 01:56:22,760
and they said, only if I'm going down the street.

1033
01:56:23,200 --> 01:56:24,620
So I have their assurance.

1034
01:56:24,620 --> 01:56:34,120
But what's gone missing in this is courts are generally behind technology and that's what we're at right now.

1035
01:56:35,000 --> 01:56:39,940
Sure, there's been ancillary cases that have touched on this. They've made clear decisions on phones.

1036
01:56:40,260 --> 01:56:47,940
There's a recent case that says Google Maps clearly requires a warrant which is a tracking situation.

1037
01:56:47,940 --> 01:56:54,980
But the tracking situation compounded with the AI does not reach the high court.

1038
01:56:55,160 --> 01:57:00,300
There are cases in Ohio and Virginia and Oregon, I believe, that are working their way

1039
01:57:00,300 --> 01:57:00,500
up.

1040
01:57:01,400 --> 01:57:06,720
There's a reason why all those municipalities in the state of Arizona have canceled this

1041
01:57:06,720 --> 01:57:07,320
technology.

1042
01:57:08,360 --> 01:57:17,520
I might add, isn't it wise just to err on the side of civil liberties instead of a cheesy

1043
01:57:17,520 --> 01:57:23,160
company, tech company that's making millions to usurp civil liberties.

1044
01:57:24,060 --> 01:57:30,420
I mean, it just seems a little cheesy for our public representatives who represent us

1045
01:57:30,420 --> 01:57:35,980
to say, well, let's not dirty our hands, let's get a private tech company that's making

1046
01:57:35,980 --> 01:57:37,180
billions off the data.

1047
01:57:38,020 --> 01:57:42,960
And don't kid yourself, they have that data, there's a reason why Tempe canceled it, then probably

1048
01:57:42,960 --> 01:57:47,100
went over and put covers over those cameras because they're still recording data and that's

1049
01:57:47,100 --> 01:57:53,460
going to flock. I mean, you can read the articles and I would encourage you to Google, and

1050
01:57:53,460 --> 01:57:57,460
this is, I'm going to go there and I'm going to say them comfortable. And I apologize to

1051
01:57:57,460 --> 01:58:03,280
you fully, but, you know, as well as I do, there is the human element in every agency, whether

1052
01:58:03,280 --> 01:58:08,480
they're soldiers and the military, from where me and my family come from, and the mayor comes from

1053
01:58:08,480 --> 01:58:16,740
to police officers and fire. There is the human element to do things that they shouldn't do

1054
01:58:17,100 --> 01:58:24,900
And Flock, Mayor and Council, is more than a good cop should be tempted with, and it's

1055
01:58:24,900 --> 01:58:28,260
a heck of a lot more than a bad cop should have at his disposal.

1056
01:58:28,840 --> 01:58:35,740
I encourage you to go and Google Officer Abuse's Flock and look at this.

1057
01:58:35,880 --> 01:58:41,700
In one case, one investigation in a one officer netted 19 individuals that abused Flock in

1058
01:58:41,700 --> 01:58:44,680
one case, one case netted 19.

1059
01:58:45,720 --> 01:58:52,840
And then I also want you to Google, I mean to say suggestion, Google persons who were

1060
01:58:52,840 --> 01:58:57,460
misidentified by flock, you will find a lady who an officer drove across into the

1061
01:58:57,460 --> 01:59:01,600
adjacent jurisdiction and read her the riot act and issued her a summons for stealing

1062
01:59:01,600 --> 01:59:04,960
a package saying her car was positively identified by flock.

1063
01:59:05,280 --> 01:59:07,740
Problem was, wasn't her, wasn't her car.

1064
01:59:07,740 --> 01:59:16,240
another lady in Virginia spent 17 days in lockup. Turns out it wasn't her. Wasn't her car. Oops. How do you

1065
01:59:16,240 --> 01:59:23,660
give her her 17 days back of freedom? You can't all based on AI technology. Now, those are

1066
01:59:23,660 --> 01:59:30,600
resulting in lawsuits against the municipalities. Who pays for that? Not the AI company, heaven forbid.

1067
01:59:31,240 --> 01:59:39,820
not the officer that relied on it. No, the tax payers. The tax payers should not have to pay for this.

1068
01:59:40,180 --> 01:59:42,320
Finally, thank you. Thank you.

1069
01:59:51,480 --> 01:59:58,700
My name is Sean Riley. I live at 1-2-09 South Cactus Road. Thank you for letting me opportunity to speak tonight.

1070
01:59:58,700 --> 01:59:59,960
See you next time.

1071
02:00:00,940 --> 02:00:28,960
Mr. Mayor, council. I hope to make few good points. Not a public speaker, so I apologize. My thoughts are many and jumbled. I will do my best. A lot of people are touching on a topic, but nobody's really saying it. Government tyranny. You know, a lot of people are referencing the Fourth Amendment. But what this does, we don't need GPS, because every one of these cameras has its own point. We know where this camera is. It has its own GPS coordinate.

1072
02:00:28,960 --> 02:00:35,320
that. We saw it on the video. As these cameras, we need to plug in a license plate, and

1073
02:00:35,320 --> 02:00:39,200
it gives you every position this car has been. We don't need GPS signal in the car, we've

1074
02:00:39,200 --> 02:00:44,640
got it on these cameras, so we watch where that car went. I go outside, I expect everybody's

1075
02:00:44,640 --> 02:00:49,260
going to see me, but I don't expect that a profile is being built around me. And the reason

1076
02:00:49,260 --> 02:00:54,280
this is important is because we're creating a shifting baseline. Yes, now we have the cameras,

1077
02:00:54,280 --> 02:01:22,000
We don't look at people's faces, but how long until we've accepted the cameras and now we're looking at who's in the car because we're shifting that baseline and it's important because as we move and we have this flawed technology and I'll touch based on the man and the woman and Sherwood Arkansas that we're pulled out at gunpoint because it read the license plate on why the officers didn't run the plate in the vehicle description. I can't tell you we're all human.

1078
02:01:23,620 --> 02:01:32,620
The officer in Haines, Haines City PD, Christopher Goods, 700 times he used this to stock

1079
02:01:32,620 --> 02:01:33,260
his ex-wife.

1080
02:01:33,900 --> 02:01:39,360
You know, we're going to, and again, here we go to my apologize, my thoughts are jumbled.

1081
02:01:40,660 --> 02:01:45,340
But he's got access to it, you know, because he's part of this government who can use it,

1082
02:01:45,440 --> 02:01:46,560
however they choose to use it.

1083
02:01:46,560 --> 02:01:52,760
And if they decide that we are not part of what they accept, you know, we are not doing

1084
02:01:52,760 --> 02:01:56,060
anything wrong, so we don't have to worry about it.

1085
02:01:56,180 --> 02:02:00,000
Well, when do we have to worry about when they change what wrong is?

1086
02:02:00,660 --> 02:02:07,240
In 2022, the FBI declared a group that I was part of, a terrorist organization, low

1087
02:02:07,240 --> 02:02:08,020
history of violence.

1088
02:02:08,680 --> 02:02:11,580
It's called American contingency, it's zero history of violence.

1089
02:02:12,080 --> 02:02:15,500
We didn't even organize in rally, but we were a dissenting group.

1090
02:02:15,500 --> 02:02:17,780
It was labeled a terrorist organization.

1091
02:02:18,500 --> 02:02:21,780
That changes so many different things as to what I'm subject to.

1092
02:02:22,360 --> 02:02:24,020
So where do we draw the line?

1093
02:02:24,940 --> 02:02:26,580
Now we have this technology that's out

1094
02:02:26,940 --> 02:02:28,920
and on a daily basis, creating a profile.

1095
02:02:29,620 --> 02:02:32,620
There's a case in Washington and it's not gonna stay low.

1096
02:02:32,760 --> 02:02:34,440
It's going up the courts right now as we speak.

1097
02:02:35,560 --> 02:02:41,420
The data from these slot cameras is required now at that state level

1098
02:02:41,420 --> 02:02:44,500
to be saved past that 30 days.

1099
02:02:44,500 --> 02:02:49,620
they're required to save it off onto different hard drives because of the freedom of information

1100
02:02:49,620 --> 02:02:55,280
that. So when does that change? So where does that go? I mean, there's so many different opportunities

1101
02:02:55,280 --> 02:03:02,680
for this to be used against the people and not for the people. And all we have is a government says,

1102
02:03:03,180 --> 02:03:06,280
yeah, we're going to go ahead and check ourselves and make sure that we're doing it okay.

1103
02:03:06,780 --> 02:03:11,280
There's nothing there for the people to stop it. So I've got it. Thank you.

1104
02:03:11,280 --> 02:03:11,460
Thank

1105
02:03:18,310 --> 02:03:20,050
you for this time today.

1106
02:03:20,430 --> 02:03:21,750
Appreciate you guys listening to this.

1107
02:03:22,030 --> 02:03:23,670
Not a speaker, nervous hell.

1108
02:03:24,750 --> 02:03:26,210
I moved here in 1973.

1109
02:03:27,110 --> 02:03:27,990
I lived here until 83.

1110
02:03:28,470 --> 02:03:30,710
I went to a six-vision junior high

1111
02:03:30,710 --> 02:03:32,130
and the high school graduated there.

1112
02:03:32,470 --> 02:03:33,610
Moved back six years ago.

1113
02:03:35,110 --> 02:03:38,490
I dealt with crime in this city back then.

1114
02:03:39,130 --> 02:03:39,590
Biker gang.

1115
02:03:39,890 --> 02:03:42,050
I lived at the base of the mountain up here at Bulldog

1116
02:03:43,050 --> 02:03:45,430
and Biker gang rape, suicide.

1117
02:03:45,430 --> 02:03:48,770
side, the camera would not have done one thing for that.

1118
02:03:49,070 --> 02:03:51,790
They were on instantaneous decisions that were made by people.

1119
02:03:52,510 --> 02:03:53,930
It wouldn't have helped at all.

1120
02:03:54,330 --> 02:03:58,690
So I have a very strong opinion about being tracked.

1121
02:04:00,390 --> 02:04:01,830
There was two shares back then.

1122
02:04:02,110 --> 02:04:02,770
One was a Bozill.

1123
02:04:03,430 --> 02:04:06,050
I went to high school with him and his son.

1124
02:04:06,610 --> 02:04:09,290
And if it wasn't for him, I don't know what I would have done.

1125
02:04:09,750 --> 02:04:10,870
So give your name and address.

1126
02:04:10,870 --> 02:04:14,550
Oh, I'm sorry, Rick Adair, 1480 North Mountain View Road.

1127
02:04:14,870 --> 02:04:15,870
I apologize about that.

1128
02:04:19,860 --> 02:04:23,260
I still have a lot of concerns that who has access to this data.

1129
02:04:23,720 --> 02:04:26,600
I know we've heard a lot from people today that have questioned that.

1130
02:04:27,020 --> 02:04:30,220
So I won't go into it any further, but it is concerning.

1131
02:04:31,820 --> 02:04:35,740
2020 in COVID, there was lockdowns and people were being arrested for going to church

1132
02:04:35,740 --> 02:04:38,200
and parks and skate parks and so forth.

1133
02:04:39,220 --> 02:04:41,400
This is fine as the rules stand today.

1134
02:04:41,400 --> 02:04:46,540
But what if they change the rules on us then what happens you know, then then where does this go?

1135
02:04:47,360 --> 02:04:52,140
Is it that data going to be used against us if we go to church if we go to a park if we you know

1136
02:04:52,140 --> 02:04:58,200
It's just the rules that are applied today. Those rules will change at any time. So it's just my opinion

1137
02:04:58,880 --> 02:04:59,580
human error

1138
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:15,000
Not to knock anybody here in this room, but there's human air. I mean, we've all do it all the time. You type in the wrong number, somebody's arrested, somebody's pulled over for no reason, but they got to prove themselves innocent. That's not how this country works.

1139
02:05:17,240 --> 02:05:29,900
Drones, by the way, I just want to touch on that real quick. I don't disagree with the Drones information you gave. What I mean, don't understand, though, is when I went to the park here at Lost Dutchman's park.

1140
02:05:29,900 --> 02:05:36,640
work for the, I think it was called the blues and blues. There was a drone flying the

1141
02:05:36,640 --> 02:05:41,920
whole time. So I understand safety and I understand wanting to be concerned about keeping our

1142
02:05:42,460 --> 02:05:47,460
public safe, but is that really what we want? And what are they looking for? And I don't

1143
02:05:47,460 --> 02:05:52,800
know. It might be all up and up, but it was just something that triggered me as an individual

1144
02:05:52,800 --> 02:05:59,540
go, you know, what is this? So, this might get a little off the rails a little bit, but

1145
02:05:59,540 --> 02:06:06,180
Hunger Games movie. I watched it with my son when he was younger, and the one thing that

1146
02:06:06,180 --> 02:06:11,260
I reflect on is there was cameras everywhere, and it was a game. It was being played, and

1147
02:06:11,260 --> 02:06:17,120
we're being tracked, and I just can't get that out of my image of my mind and my mind

1148
02:06:17,120 --> 02:06:21,340
an image of what's going on today, so just makes you question things.

1149
02:06:22,320 --> 02:06:28,460
I believe a contract was signed, it was without the vote of the people or our wishes

1150
02:06:29,000 --> 02:06:35,820
and I don't know what's behind it, but I believe that it's something that if you can't get

1151
02:06:35,820 --> 02:06:41,860
out of, at least be honest with us and tell us what that is, but I just got a lot of questions

1152
02:06:41,860 --> 02:06:45,300
around the contract and why it wasn't presented to the people first.

1153
02:06:46,080 --> 02:06:49,580
Fourth amendment has been brought up a bunch of times, so I won't bring that up again.

1154
02:06:50,300 --> 02:06:55,040
And then again, the money that I think could be used instead of these camera systems in

1155
02:06:55,040 --> 02:06:59,460
this contract could fix our roadways around here, so that's all I had to say, but I appreciate

1156
02:06:59,460 --> 02:06:59,780
this time.

1157
02:07:07,200 --> 02:07:07,620
Good evening.

1158
02:07:07,840 --> 02:07:08,680
My name is Marissa.

1159
02:07:09,000 --> 02:07:10,980
I live at 927 East Granada.

1160
02:07:11,500 --> 02:07:15,620
I just have a few questions to run by stuff that I've been hearing, stuff that I've heard

1161
02:07:15,620 --> 02:07:22,360
people whispering about. Also stuff that I know being my age, seeing all over social media,

1162
02:07:22,360 --> 02:07:27,860
questions, people have just a kind of clear up some information. If this is something

1163
02:07:27,860 --> 02:07:32,320
that the city continues, who's to say when flock or whoever can change the parameters?

1164
02:07:33,460 --> 02:07:41,120
You have someone who is high in IT and can easily go in through that firewall or safety or whatever

1165
02:07:41,120 --> 02:07:45,360
security that is that the lady was showing us in the video from the police

1166
02:07:45,360 --> 02:07:45,780
department.

1167
02:07:47,820 --> 02:07:51,620
There's people who are worried about insurance purposes as far as

1168
02:07:51,620 --> 02:07:56,500
tracking. Let's say you have a kid who's in college and your kid is under your

1169
02:07:56,500 --> 02:08:00,740
insurance plan. Well, your kid doesn't live with you. Your kid goes to college. So

1170
02:08:00,740 --> 02:08:05,800
who's to say that at some point in time your insurance company now has track of oh

1171
02:08:05,800 --> 02:08:09,200
this is a license plate associated with that car. We're not going to ensure that

1172
02:08:09,200 --> 02:08:13,900
car anymore. We're not going to say anything. Then you have a whole insurance fraud of someone

1173
02:08:13,900 --> 02:08:16,140
not being insured, causing an accident. Who knows?

1174
02:08:21,220 --> 02:08:23,420
Why aren't the other cities using them?

1175
02:08:23,640 --> 02:08:29,640
I feel like that's a big question to ask. Specifically the cities that are large, that are growing,

1176
02:08:30,640 --> 02:08:34,760
surprise. Also another weird thing to point out, a gentleman said flagstaff, stuff like

1177
02:08:34,760 --> 02:08:41,460
that, Sedona, areas or Apache Junction is primarily red. We have very little blue in this town.

1178
02:08:42,040 --> 02:08:47,980
It's kind of weird how they're all blue cities and you know we're all I wouldn't say sanctuary

1179
02:08:47,980 --> 02:08:55,200
cities but all want to be for everything that is going on right now that is just crazy. That's kind of

1180
02:08:55,200 --> 02:08:55,720
odd too.

1181
02:08:58,700 --> 02:09:04,200
Will it change from just license plates to go to bumper stickers to go to looking through

1182
02:09:04,200 --> 02:09:08,260
the car, better cameras, block doesn't have to say anything about that, they can just

1183
02:09:08,820 --> 02:09:13,240
the CEO already come out and said, hey, these are all the different parameters we can use

1184
02:09:13,240 --> 02:09:17,520
it for just because you buy the physical camera, doesn't mean that we can't install some

1185
02:09:17,520 --> 02:09:22,740
software update that now allows it to read how fast you were going or where you were going

1186
02:09:22,740 --> 02:09:27,260
or if you're even from that state or if your license plate had been switched and it's the

1187
02:09:27,260 --> 02:09:29,160
same stickers but it's a different license plate.

1188
02:09:29,160 --> 02:09:30,400
stuff like that.

1189
02:09:33,140 --> 02:09:38,640
There's also a lady said earlier about axon that is headquarters here

1190
02:09:38,640 --> 02:09:45,540
in Scottsdale. Address is 1,000 or 17,800 North 85th Street in Scottsdale and it is one

1191
02:09:45,540 --> 02:09:50,560
of the biggest, if not the biggest, supplier of body cameras also worn by police officers located

1192
02:09:50,560 --> 02:09:52,000
here in Arizona.

1193
02:09:54,190 --> 02:09:58,290
Another issue is what if a police officer gets a call in and someone says

1194
02:09:58,290 --> 02:09:59,970
as a description about a license plate or a car.

1195
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:20,840
It's invalid, it's a wrong number, it's a wrong color, it's a wrong make. Now you have a car that's in the database that has a different license plate, or a different color, or completely different car altogether, and they're being tracked, and it could be someone that, like the lady that was, thank God she had her own dash cam to prove that it wasn't her that committed that crime out in another state.

1196
02:10:23,040 --> 02:10:29,300
Also, swatting is a big thing as well. If someone gets access into that again, touching back to the IT aspect,

1197
02:10:29,300 --> 02:10:35,200
like how easy would it be for someone to say, you know, call AJPD, this car, this person

1198
02:10:35,200 --> 02:10:40,640
driving a black highlander, what this license plate is, you know, I just saw them leave

1199
02:10:40,640 --> 02:10:42,900
a circle K with a gun and there's nothing to shoot people.

1200
02:10:43,360 --> 02:10:48,100
And that person isn't even, you know, it's just going on their normal day-to-day life

1201
02:10:48,100 --> 02:10:49,880
or maybe they've gotten disagreement about something.

1202
02:10:51,680 --> 02:10:53,800
And a few more things I want to touch on real fast.

1203
02:10:55,680 --> 02:11:01,340
Arizona also has verimobility, also known as American Traffic Solutions, which is the largest

1204
02:11:01,340 --> 02:11:07,340
licensed infraction company, and it is also headquartered here in Mesa, and that supplies

1205
02:11:07,340 --> 02:11:10,940
most of the Valley's red light and speed cameras.

1206
02:11:11,560 --> 02:11:13,200
So just a few things to think about.

1207
02:11:21,500 --> 02:11:22,340
Thank you, Council.

1208
02:11:23,320 --> 02:11:23,940
Brian Kane.

1209
02:11:25,260 --> 02:11:26,500
Brian Kane.

1210
02:11:26,500 --> 02:11:34,840
one nine one eight south star dust drive just a couple of things if your logic is

1211
02:11:34,840 --> 02:11:41,140
telling you that because there's a fatality and run accident in our city it's

1212
02:11:41,140 --> 02:11:47,400
okay to surveil me and thousands of other law-abiding citizens how long before

1213
02:11:47,400 --> 02:11:51,960
your logic tells you that because somebody commits a heinous crime with a firearm

1214
02:11:51,960 --> 02:11:58,040
that you're gonna come after our guns another thing I wanted to point out is

1215
02:11:58,040 --> 02:12:01,120
is regardless of what you think about the database

1216
02:12:01,120 --> 02:12:04,500
and how secure it is, before I retired,

1217
02:12:04,700 --> 02:12:06,540
the fire department that I used to work for,

1218
02:12:06,960 --> 02:12:11,500
which had every security and firewall conceivable

1219
02:12:12,000 --> 02:12:15,300
was hacked by a foreign entity to the tune of $100,000.

1220
02:12:16,460 --> 02:12:17,720
So nothing is safe.

1221
02:12:18,480 --> 02:12:22,680
And I'm afraid that the tracking of my vehicle

1222
02:12:22,680 --> 02:12:33,120
in the collection of my data is going to go out there in the ether world and that scares me.

1223
02:12:44,180 --> 02:12:49,420
There was something else I wanted to bring up but I'll let that go. Maybe I could meet with

1224
02:12:49,420 --> 02:12:52,980
cheap pulley on mixed coffee with coffee. Thank you.

1225
02:12:59,380 --> 02:13:01,400
Hello, my name is Brooklyn Breake and I live at

1226
02:13:01,840 --> 02:13:07,900
1022 West Escondito Court. Just a couple of things. I'll keep it quick. I was listening to the chief

1227
02:13:07,900 --> 02:13:14,740
speak, and the risk that we're taking with this technology is quite large. This is going

1228
02:13:14,740 --> 02:13:19,500
to take a lot of trust, trust for us in the police department, but it's not to be abused.

1229
02:13:19,880 --> 02:13:24,020
And I know that the chief will do his best to prevent that, but there's only so much he

1230
02:13:24,020 --> 02:13:31,080
can do to stop future abuse. And also we're going to have to really trust the flock as a company,

1231
02:13:32,520 --> 02:13:36,420
because I know that we're going to be signing contracts or the chief will be signing maybe

1232
02:13:36,420 --> 02:13:40,600
a contract with them, but we've seen a lot of large companies, Facebook, all these other

1233
02:13:40,600 --> 02:13:46,840
companies do things illegal, break contracts, and just get fine slaps on the wrist, and

1234
02:13:46,840 --> 02:13:51,260
this is a large risk to be taking with such a large company.

1235
02:13:52,020 --> 02:13:54,380
We have to really trust them that they're not going to be breaking the rules here.

1236
02:13:55,040 --> 02:14:02,460
And one last thing is that I do know that the city attorney said that right now, this

1237
02:14:02,460 --> 02:14:06,800
This is not technically illegal, but the phone's tracking the phone's are illegal because

1238
02:14:06,800 --> 02:14:11,140
it's tracking every step that you're taking, but at some point it's just going to turn

1239
02:14:11,140 --> 02:14:15,720
into semantics because how many flat cameras have to be so close to one another before you're

1240
02:14:15,720 --> 02:14:18,160
tracking every move that I make.

1241
02:14:18,800 --> 02:14:22,100
From when I leave my house, a mile up the road, a mile up the road, a mile up the road

1242
02:14:22,100 --> 02:14:22,420
from there.

1243
02:14:23,540 --> 02:14:28,320
So this might be illegal soon, but yes, thank you.

1244
02:14:35,370 --> 02:14:40,810
Catherine Meek, 1327, South Vellar Road. I feel like this is what kind of dealing with

1245
02:14:40,810 --> 02:14:46,810
the canary and a coal mine here because I've got a Fitbit, I've got my cellphone, I surf

1246
02:14:46,810 --> 02:14:51,590
the internet, I'm on Facebook, all this stuff is tracking us. I go to Safeway and want

1247
02:14:51,590 --> 02:14:57,470
to get the specials. Safeway knows everything I do now, so it is fries. I want to special

1248
02:14:57,470 --> 02:14:59,870
and then local rest.

1249
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:29,580
They know what I like to eat now. And with AI coming in, it's all tracked and becoming more centrally tracked. I think people are finally waking up to the fact that, yeah, we have no privacy and between AI and the domestic and international threats out there, nothing is secure. My medical history has been hacked every hospital I've been to, so I get basically at least one letter a month

1250
02:15:29,580 --> 02:15:34,720
telling me about my medical information is insecure. She thinks.

1251
02:15:37,060 --> 02:15:37,840
I don't know

1252
02:15:37,840 --> 02:15:42,100
what the answer is to this. I have I had family members with dementia. I would

1253
02:15:42,100 --> 02:15:46,360
have loved to be able to track them down. I'd love to make sure we catch all the

1254
02:15:46,360 --> 02:15:52,780
kids. But at some point I know pushbacks get to happen. It's a matter of how

1255
02:15:52,780 --> 02:15:57,000
much we're willing to accept for what we do. Thank you.

1256
02:16:02,660 --> 02:16:12,260
Hello, my name is Heather Gerson. I'm at 1130 Southwick-Yup Road and thank you, Mr. Chair and Council members, for allowing me to speak this evening.

1257
02:16:13,020 --> 02:16:19,840
My name is Heather Gerson, like I said, a resident of Apache Junction. This discussion focuses on the ALPR policy.

1258
02:16:20,600 --> 02:16:30,460
Today I carry with me a petition with 61 signatures, 10 from Apache Junction and a remainder from cities throughout Arizona, who oppose the ALPR policy.

1259
02:16:30,460 --> 02:16:33,140
The number of signatures are growing in strength.

1260
02:16:33,880 --> 02:16:39,400
Let me share a bit with you regarding flock cameras that have a significant error rate

1261
02:16:39,400 --> 02:16:41,920
including this reading license plates.

1262
02:16:43,040 --> 02:16:48,740
Misidentifications have led to wrongful stops, detentions, and other serious consequences

1263
02:16:48,740 --> 02:16:49,440
for residents.

1264
02:16:50,200 --> 02:16:55,580
In addition, 1% of vehicles scanned by flock are ever connected to any crime or wrongdoing.

1265
02:16:55,580 --> 02:17:01,980
The fact is, the majority of the data collected is unnecessary surveillance of law-abiding citizens.

1266
02:17:02,800 --> 02:17:10,200
Even though the cameras captured license plates and not faces, the data can reveal sensitive

1267
02:17:10,200 --> 02:17:16,060
personal information, including places you frequent, social interactions, and patterns

1268
02:17:16,060 --> 02:17:16,600
of life.

1269
02:17:17,240 --> 02:17:22,760
In Apache Junction, an officer used flocked cameras to track his spouse prompting resignations

1270
02:17:22,760 --> 02:17:23,740
and policy changes.

1271
02:17:23,740 --> 02:17:30,700
ALPR cameras constantly track log and store the movements of every vehicle, creating a detailed

1272
02:17:30,700 --> 02:17:37,180
digital record of residents' locations, affiliations, social interactions, and daily routines.

1273
02:17:38,040 --> 02:17:43,680
Legally, ALPR data collection raises concerns under the Fourth Amendment, which protects against

1274
02:17:43,680 --> 02:17:45,440
unreasonable searches and seizures.

1275
02:17:46,220 --> 02:17:51,060
Tempe and Penal County have canceled contracts with flock due to potential Fourth Amendment

1276
02:17:51,060 --> 02:17:51,800
violations.

1277
02:17:51,800 --> 02:18:00,400
data generated by these systems can be vulnerable and this used both by law enforcement and potentially by hackers if not properly secured.

1278
02:18:01,320 --> 02:18:10,400
The Arizona cities that have denied the ALPR contract, Chandler ended contract after an audit found unexplained system activity,

1279
02:18:10,400 --> 02:18:15,400
Surprise cancelled contract after an officer was found to have potentially misuse the system.

1280
02:18:15,780 --> 02:18:21,840
For now, County Sheriff Ross Heaple announced non-renewal over Fourth Amendment and privacy concerns.

1281
02:18:22,520 --> 02:18:28,940
Tempe shut off all 33 ALPR cameras and cancelled contract citing privacy and misuse concerns.

1282
02:18:29,560 --> 02:18:34,260
Kay Creek ended block contract alongside Tempe and other jurisdictions.

1283
02:18:35,080 --> 02:18:41,720
Flagstaff, unanimous council vote to terminate after citizen petition and privacy legal concerns.

1284
02:18:42,580 --> 02:18:47,940
Sedona cancelled contract amid public backlash over privacy and data sharing issues,

1285
02:18:48,420 --> 02:18:52,080
and South Tucson ended or declined to renew the contract.

1286
02:18:52,740 --> 02:18:57,140
As you may agree, people including myself are concerned about the lack of privacy,

1287
02:18:57,680 --> 02:19:01,800
legal and safety issues that are prominent in the use of ALPR cameras.

1288
02:19:01,800 --> 02:19:08,320
I'm going to step up to the plate and state we all want transparency, not politics, as we

1289
02:19:08,320 --> 02:19:11,840
are more alike than the subtle differences portrayed in daily life.

1290
02:19:12,440 --> 02:19:18,260
In summary, we respectfully encourage your consideration of removing all ALPR cameras

1291
02:19:18,260 --> 02:19:24,600
and to cancel all contracts pertaining to the ALPR invasion of our rights now and in the

1292
02:19:24,600 --> 02:19:24,920
future.

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02:19:25,500 --> 02:19:27,400
Thank you for your consideration to this matter.

1294
02:19:36,680 --> 02:19:36,840
Hello.

1295
02:19:36,840 --> 02:19:41,620
So my name is Kristen Rodriguez. My address is one, two, one, four, one.

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02:19:42,340 --> 02:19:47,620
Ecerina Road and Gold Canyon, Arizona. I know I live in Gold Canyon but I do spend a

1297
02:19:47,620 --> 02:19:52,740
lot of time in Apache Junction. I also run a nonpartisan group called the Lighthouse Group

1298
02:19:52,740 --> 02:19:55,220
and I have a lot of members in Apache Junction as well.

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02:19:57,340 --> 02:19:59,880
I want to begin to thank the Mayor of Ice News.

1300
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:29,780
Vice mayor and city council for allowing me to speak. I believe everyone in this room can agree on that nobody wakes up hoping crime goes up. Nobody wants a rapist burglar or drug dealer moving into their neighborhood. We all want professional police officers who protect us, solve crimes, and do their jobs lawfully regardless of how people voted for their political party. So disagreeing with the use of ALPRs of any brand does not make someone pro-crime or

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02:20:29,780 --> 02:20:35,280
anti-police. My concern is not whether flock can help solve crimes or benefit the community

1302
02:20:35,280 --> 02:20:41,460
clearly it can. My concern is what happens when we create a system that records the

1303
02:20:41,460 --> 02:20:46,760
movements of innocent people, makes that information searchable, and connects that information

1304
02:20:46,760 --> 02:20:53,140
across jurisdictions and agencies. We were previously told that flock couldn't be abused.

1305
02:20:53,680 --> 02:20:57,700
The patchy junction now has a real example showing that it can. As Chief Police shared

1306
02:20:57,700 --> 02:21:02,240
and other members tonight in AJ, police officer used the flock to locate his wife for personal

1307
02:21:02,240 --> 02:21:07,320
reasons. He did resign, and according to the chief would have been fired if he didn't. I

1308
02:21:07,320 --> 02:21:12,160
appreciate that our department investigated it and held people accountable, but it proved something

1309
02:21:12,160 --> 02:21:18,640
important. Safe guards do not make abuse impossible. And this isn't just an Apache junction issue.

1310
02:21:19,260 --> 02:21:25,160
In Colorado, a flock system wrongly flagged an innocent woman forcing her to demonstrate that she

1311
02:21:25,160 --> 02:21:26,000
had done nothing wrong.

1312
02:21:26,620 --> 02:21:28,580
An officer was recorded saying, quote,

1313
02:21:28,840 --> 02:21:30,660
you can't get a breath of fresh air

1314
02:21:30,660 --> 02:21:33,940
in or out of this place without us knowing about it."

1315
02:21:34,780 --> 02:21:38,000
In Wisconsin, an outdated flock alert

1316
02:21:38,760 --> 02:21:40,280
contributed to a high-risk stop

1317
02:21:40,280 --> 02:21:44,060
of people who weren't connected to the underlying investigation.

1318
02:21:44,240 --> 02:21:45,960
And my understanding is that police showed up

1319
02:21:45,960 --> 02:21:48,720
with guns on people that were not connected

1320
02:21:48,720 --> 02:21:50,160
to whatever they were investigating.

1321
02:21:51,280 --> 02:21:53,440
In Mountain View, California, officials

1322
02:21:53,440 --> 02:21:58,400
Visuals discovered that FOX network sharing configuration had allowed outside agencies

1323
02:21:58,400 --> 02:22:02,240
to access local data without the department's knowledge or approval.

1324
02:22:03,100 --> 02:22:07,460
The examples of misuse, abuse, and overreach seem endless.

1325
02:22:08,080 --> 02:22:12,380
They aren't simply cameras sitting on Apache Junction streets, they're part of a network.

1326
02:22:13,080 --> 02:22:18,620
And once information exists, we have to depend and not only on today's officers, but future

1327
02:22:18,620 --> 02:22:24,400
officers, administrations, administrators, agencies, vendors, contractors, and future

1328
02:22:24,400 --> 02:22:27,420
governments to use that information appropriately.

1329
02:22:28,040 --> 02:22:31,340
That's why I believe the safest data is data we never collect.

1330
02:22:31,920 --> 02:22:35,600
It isn't about whether I trust local police, I do.

1331
02:22:35,880 --> 02:22:38,320
I think the intention is genuine.

1332
02:22:38,900 --> 02:22:43,260
It's about whether I want my privacy or my neighbor's privacy, depending on every person

1333
02:22:43,260 --> 02:22:46,740
who will ever have access to this system to do the right thing.

1334
02:22:47,400 --> 02:22:50,940
We don't protect innocent people by telling them to trust the system.

1335
02:22:51,440 --> 02:22:56,220
We protect them by designing the system so that unnecessary information about innocent

1336
02:22:56,220 --> 02:22:58,140
people isn't collected in the first place.

1337
02:22:58,700 --> 02:23:00,780
Public safety matters and so does freedom.

1338
02:23:01,500 --> 02:23:06,340
And when we choose to, and when we have to choose between collecting information on everyone,

1339
02:23:06,640 --> 02:23:11,020
just in case we might need it someday and collecting what we actually need when we have a legitimate

1340
02:23:11,020 --> 02:23:13,220
reason, I believe the choice is clear.

1341
02:23:13,420 --> 02:23:16,200
The safest data is the data we never collect.

1342
02:23:16,200 --> 02:23:16,700
Thank you.

1343
02:23:25,580 --> 02:23:29,620
Hi, my name is Jessica Duff. I love it. Two, zero, seven, five, self-drown my road.

1344
02:23:30,180 --> 02:23:33,580
A lot of what I'm going to say I feel like is an echo of what's been already said,

1345
02:23:33,740 --> 02:23:38,580
but I think it's my responsibility to voice my opinion as well. One of the greatest privileges

1346
02:23:38,580 --> 02:23:42,880
of this country is that every day we have the opportunity to make hundreds of personal choices

1347
02:23:42,880 --> 02:23:49,220
from what we eat, to where we go, to who we spend our time with, and who we share the

1348
02:23:49,220 --> 02:23:51,280
the increased disease of our daily life with.

1349
02:23:51,840 --> 02:23:53,560
But with cameras, systems such as FAC,

1350
02:23:53,720 --> 02:23:55,060
we're never really given a choice

1351
02:23:55,060 --> 02:23:56,820
and we're no longer getting the choice

1352
02:23:56,820 --> 02:23:58,800
with being attractive everywhere we go,

1353
02:23:58,960 --> 02:24:01,180
even if it's every role in 30 days.

1354
02:24:02,040 --> 02:24:04,460
We were told that these systems are for our safety and security,

1355
02:24:04,740 --> 02:24:07,600
but even with the people who have sworn to serve

1356
02:24:07,600 --> 02:24:09,700
and protect us, our law enforcement

1357
02:24:09,700 --> 02:24:11,940
have been caught misusing and abusing the system

1358
02:24:11,940 --> 02:24:13,360
as stated tonight.

1359
02:24:14,300 --> 02:24:16,820
If the people who are supposed to protect us

1360
02:24:16,820 --> 02:24:18,380
are doing this, we can only imagine

1361
02:24:18,380 --> 02:24:20,860
and what criminals and others will do with this information

1362
02:24:20,860 --> 02:24:22,180
if they get their hands on it.

1363
02:24:23,280 --> 02:24:25,580
These systems can collect much more information

1364
02:24:25,580 --> 02:24:28,580
than just their license plates, even if current contracts

1365
02:24:28,580 --> 02:24:30,680
are only set up given a certain way at this time.

1366
02:24:31,280 --> 02:24:33,780
And there's very little to no transparency, oversight,

1367
02:24:34,040 --> 02:24:36,120
or regulation, and how they collect, store,

1368
02:24:36,320 --> 02:24:38,460
and use this data in the long term, especially

1369
02:24:38,460 --> 02:24:41,160
with a private company in the long run.

1370
02:24:42,280 --> 02:24:44,240
We should be frightened thinking about how dangerous

1371
02:24:44,240 --> 02:24:47,780
this information is like knowing where you go every day.

1372
02:24:47,780 --> 02:24:53,500
your daily habits and whether you are home or not and it's not just for us but it's for all

1373
02:24:53,500 --> 02:24:59,840
generations ahead. We are given the excuse that cell phones track us more than the camera systems like

1374
02:25:16,460 --> 02:25:29,920
As a whole, I strongly urge the city council to reconsider these contracts and cancel them, and remove all cameras that have already been installed. This also means that we do not sign other contracts.

1375
02:25:29,920 --> 02:25:34,500
with companies like Exxon, with similar capabilities or other companies that could be created.

1376
02:25:35,600 --> 02:25:38,840
Please uphold the Fourth Amendment and protect both us and yourselves.

1377
02:25:39,420 --> 02:25:39,660
Thank you.

1378
02:25:47,410 --> 02:25:47,910
Good evening.

1379
02:25:49,310 --> 02:25:55,490
Chrysler-Rizzi, 1755-Souths and Burrell, just ask code compliance, they know where I'm at.

1380
02:25:57,170 --> 02:26:02,850
Mayor, vice mayor, council, community members, I come with a little bit of a different perspective.

1381
02:26:04,250 --> 02:26:11,170
When we, as a former council member, who served with several of you at the time that

1382
02:26:11,170 --> 02:26:17,090
flat cameras were brought to Apache Junction, we would have welcomed a room full of people

1383
02:26:17,670 --> 02:26:23,010
to share their opinions on the cameras, but we didn't, unfortunately, we didn't have

1384
02:26:23,010 --> 02:26:23,290
that.

1385
02:26:24,190 --> 02:26:28,030
There were, I think, a few people that did come, it wasn't, it wasn't packed, and there

1386
02:26:28,030 --> 02:26:30,190
We're not a lot of people disputing it.

1387
02:26:33,570 --> 02:26:35,330
Undoubtedly, I'll just share this.

1388
02:26:35,610 --> 02:26:38,910
I was also on the council and had the honor and privilege

1389
02:26:39,710 --> 02:26:41,850
of helping to hire Chief Pooley.

1390
02:26:42,370 --> 02:26:44,890
I always tell Chief Pooley it's one of the best decisions

1391
02:26:44,890 --> 02:26:46,730
I ever made as a council member.

1392
02:26:47,670 --> 02:26:51,630
I am a daughter of a retired New York state trooper

1393
02:26:52,310 --> 02:26:55,170
and so I'm a huge proponent of law enforcement

1394
02:26:55,170 --> 02:26:56,570
as a public servant.

1395
02:26:56,570 --> 02:27:02,510
I don't think there was ever a time when I served on that day as that I would vote against

1396
02:27:02,510 --> 02:27:05,890
something that the police department needed.

1397
02:27:06,850 --> 02:27:11,310
And undoubtedly this community supports our Apache junction police.

1398
02:27:11,630 --> 02:27:12,290
I don't think

1399
02:27:15,870 --> 02:27:21,210
the public in the community fears our police department.

1400
02:27:21,430 --> 02:27:25,110
I think they and distrust, I don't think there's distrust in our police department.

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02:27:25,590 --> 02:27:28,470
We come out, we show up for our police department.

1402
02:27:28,470 --> 02:27:32,150
They have a distrust in these cameras, and there's a reason why.

1403
02:27:32,670 --> 02:27:38,430
When they were first brought to us and presented, we were told what they would and would not

1404
02:27:38,430 --> 02:27:39,190
be able to do.

1405
02:27:39,890 --> 02:27:44,910
That was four years ago, and now county brought these cameras on seven years ago.

1406
02:27:45,670 --> 02:27:50,010
We have to think as a community, we have to, as people in general, we have to remember

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02:27:50,010 --> 02:27:56,450
how rapidly technology expands, it increases, and how rapidly it changes.

1408
02:27:56,450 --> 02:28:00,990
So, the intent, when they were first brought to the City Council and we had to make that

1409
02:28:00,990 --> 02:28:06,670
tough decision, it was never, they didn't have the ability back then probably to do what

1410
02:28:06,670 --> 02:28:07,270
they do now.

1411
02:28:07,450 --> 02:28:14,990
Technology changes like this, we're looking at now a community that doesn't want surveillance.

1412
02:28:15,270 --> 02:28:21,170
They don't, they're telling you, your constituents and your community members who support you guys

1413
02:28:21,170 --> 02:28:25,750
and who support our police department are telling you that even though these are intended

1414
02:28:25,750 --> 02:28:31,210
for public safety. They're telling you they don't want it. If I think the situation would

1415
02:28:31,210 --> 02:28:35,810
be a lot different, if this was something that we were doing for the safety and protection

1416
02:28:35,810 --> 02:28:41,510
of our law enforcement agents, I don't know how much these cameras are used to do that.

1417
02:28:41,750 --> 02:28:46,810
Like, you know, if they were to ask for protective vests or some kind of protective equipment,

1418
02:28:46,830 --> 02:28:52,990
I have no doubt that the community would be absolutely in support of that. It's a little bit different.

1419
02:28:52,990 --> 02:28:58,790
These are intended to help the community and help protect us and they absolutely do help self-crime.

1420
02:28:59,290 --> 02:29:08,330
I talked to my father. When he was a New York state trooper, he served in the 1960s and he did his

1421
02:29:08,330 --> 02:29:13,890
job without this technology. And I asked him what he thought about it. In his opinion was it goes too far,

1422
02:29:14,590 --> 02:29:21,330
just it goes too far. Human error, absolutely. It's unfortunate that our police department,

1423
02:29:21,330 --> 02:29:24,690
We have an amazing police department, I'll say it over and over again.

1424
02:29:26,410 --> 02:29:31,290
People make mistakes, they make bad choices, unfortunately it reflected on the police department,

1425
02:29:31,430 --> 02:29:36,010
but you can see our police department, how transparent they were, they came out, they

1426
02:29:36,010 --> 02:29:39,490
talked to the community, the chief is here, they're answering questions.

1427
02:29:41,830 --> 02:29:47,290
If you make the decision to do away with these now, that doesn't mean you can't bring them

1428
02:29:47,290 --> 02:29:48,190
back in the future.

1429
02:29:48,190 --> 02:29:51,590
These can be brought back and I think the chief said it well.

1430
02:29:52,390 --> 02:29:59,530
During the investigation he said, I wish it was a crime to do what was done.

1431
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:07,240
And these officers are breaking the law. It's not right now. And maybe bring these back when

1432
02:30:07,240 --> 02:30:13,500
it is when that is a law. So I just ask that you guys think about this. It's not a law

1433
02:30:13,500 --> 02:30:18,780
right now. If they break the law, they don't get in trouble. Let's watch and see what

1434
02:30:18,780 --> 02:30:26,060
our representatives, our state representatives do. If it becomes a crime to do that, then

1435
02:30:26,060 --> 02:30:28,300
And maybe the public will feel a little bit better about it.

1436
02:30:28,780 --> 02:30:32,900
Your people are telling you they don't want these and I hate that I'm even here saying

1437
02:30:32,900 --> 02:30:33,140
this.

1438
02:30:33,500 --> 02:30:35,200
I'm a huge proponent of law enforcement.

1439
02:30:35,900 --> 02:30:37,800
I just, I think they need to go for now.

1440
02:30:38,920 --> 02:30:42,560
See where the people are down the road and I thank you all for your time.

1441
02:30:43,400 --> 02:30:47,560
Charlie Kirk Memorial at Flatiron on 910 at 6 p.m.

1442
02:30:55,930 --> 02:30:57,890
Can we take a five minute break?

1443
02:30:59,210 --> 02:31:00,530
Is she the last one?

1444
02:31:00,710 --> 02:31:02,190
Anyone else want to be wanting to speak?

1445
02:31:04,550 --> 02:31:09,750
Okay, we're going to take a five minute break take a break first. Yes, old people old

1446
02:31:37,720 --> 02:31:39,120
bladders.

1447
02:32:55,420 --> 02:33:06,560
Yeah, that's why I couldn't really put open up that way, so nobody wants to do it for themselves.

1448
02:33:41,200 --> 02:33:51,840
I will play this, um, build features, any venture, I don't know if it's here, I can't, I will, yeah.

1449
02:34:06,400 --> 02:34:10,780
So, he gets so comfortable with it and be able to do it.

1450
02:39:00,370 --> 02:39:02,190
Meeting back to order again, please.

1451
02:39:07,440 --> 02:39:08,440
Amy, you made it.

1452
02:39:25,900 --> 02:39:31,860
Okay, we'll continue on with the, excuse me, public hearing.

1453
02:39:38,450 --> 02:39:57,410
My name is Brenna sandable, and I live at 231 west 20th here in Apache Junction. And I didn't have anything like plan to say today. But I think it's important to be part of protecting the community and upholding our constitution to go ahead and make public

1454
02:39:57,410 --> 02:39:59,890
like comment, I agree with.

1455
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:29,920
You know, most of everything that everyone else said, so I'll try not to kind of repeat those things. So I don't really have a whole lot to add, but I do oppose the flock cameras or any brand or similar technology. And I know the chief of police, you know, he had a very eloquent, you know, presentation. And there was a lot of focus on the vulnerable members in the community. So I just like the opportunity to take take this opportunity to say that

1456
02:40:29,920 --> 02:40:44,640
that instead of the cameras, I think it's important that Apache Junction has a behavioral health unit and that could be part of actually protecting and serving the community members.

1457
02:40:44,820 --> 02:40:52,360
And I think that'd be a really important thing for Apache Junction to have here, and I see a lot of success, other cities that have it.

1458
02:40:54,820 --> 02:41:00,840
Also, I wanted to mention that as a private citizen, I have my personal cameras for

1459
02:41:00,840 --> 02:41:06,060
my self protection at my home, and the way that I have my cameras placed as a private

1460
02:41:06,060 --> 02:41:13,100
citizen protects the community, because I don't have them basically seeing the cars that

1461
02:41:13,100 --> 02:41:14,160
drive by.

1462
02:41:14,680 --> 02:41:17,300
I have them placed in a way that it doesn't do that.

1463
02:41:17,700 --> 02:41:21,980
Just as a private citizen to protect my community, I have the logic to do that.

1464
02:41:24,620 --> 02:41:28,860
And also, I wanted to mention something that I don't, I think I heard anyone else mention.

1465
02:41:29,340 --> 02:41:35,580
I know that they said that these cameras are not going to replace law enforcement.

1466
02:41:36,100 --> 02:41:40,420
However, I don't think that that's going to be true in the end.

1467
02:41:40,520 --> 02:41:49,980
I think as we see technology grow and grow, there will be job loss to save money when technology can replace it.

1468
02:41:49,980 --> 02:41:53,460
We see that with many companies and corporations.

1469
02:41:53,460 --> 02:41:56,580
I'm experiencing that in my own job probably in a few years.

1470
02:41:56,580 --> 02:42:01,300
I won't have a job because of technology, so I think that that's absolutely something

1471
02:42:01,300 --> 02:42:06,180
that will happen in the police department as well, which will be detrimental to the community.

1472
02:42:07,540 --> 02:42:13,040
And then also, I also wanted to add that one of you made a comment, I don't remember which

1473
02:42:13,040 --> 02:42:19,520
one of you it was and he may have made the comment as well that we understand that law enforcement

1474
02:42:19,520 --> 02:42:24,880
officers are human. Just like all of us, we make mistakes. There's bad people in

1475
02:42:24,880 --> 02:42:29,580
law enforcement. There's good people in law enforcement. Because we do that, we

1476
02:42:29,580 --> 02:42:34,640
do know that. Why was there nothing done proactively to have safe guards in

1477
02:42:34,640 --> 02:42:39,140
place? That seems highly irresponsible. So thank you for letting me make a public

1478
02:42:39,140 --> 02:42:39,400
comment.

1479
02:42:45,560 --> 02:42:49,040
Hi councilmembers, Nina Solar, 22 East 13th Avenue,

1480
02:42:49,780 --> 02:42:53,100
Apache Junction. I want to make this quick and I'm probably not going to get a

1481
02:42:53,100 --> 02:42:58,640
clause, but I do feel that flock is necessary.

1482
02:42:59,000 --> 02:43:03,800
There was just a case where a mother, this was in another state, I don't remember what

1483
02:43:03,800 --> 02:43:08,140
state, but a mother put her two-year-old in the car seat, loaded up her groceries, she

1484
02:43:08,140 --> 02:43:12,260
had her car started for the air conditioning, went to put the car away, somebody stole

1485
02:43:12,260 --> 02:43:12,600
her car.

1486
02:43:13,420 --> 02:43:18,420
Within 15 minutes, they found that car with the gentleman driving, I shouldn't say gentleman,

1487
02:43:18,420 --> 02:43:24,000
and with the scumbag driving in the backseat with a little girl claiming he was just comforting her.

1488
02:43:24,600 --> 02:43:25,960
You know he was going to rape her and kill her.

1489
02:43:26,500 --> 02:43:30,620
If it wasn't for flock, they wouldn't have found that two-year-old and she would be gone.

1490
02:43:31,460 --> 02:43:33,480
So I do think flock is a good thing.

1491
02:43:33,620 --> 02:43:35,520
I do think there needs to be protocols in place,

1492
02:43:35,520 --> 02:43:38,400
which I have great respect that Chief Polly will do.

1493
02:43:39,060 --> 02:43:42,260
Vice Mayor said maybe only keep the data for one week.

1494
02:43:42,540 --> 02:43:46,200
They keep it for 30, maybe compromise to, you know, two weeks.

1495
02:43:46,200 --> 02:43:50,320
something like that. And as most of you know, my husband,

1496
02:43:50,600 --> 02:43:54,980
Councilmember Solar, has been in law enforcement forever for over 30 years.

1497
02:43:56,020 --> 02:44:03,540
And as a police officer's wife, I just remember him coming home so many times

1498
02:44:03,540 --> 02:44:10,220
that they've lost a child, somebody hit and ran, somebody died, they couldn't find

1499
02:44:10,220 --> 02:44:14,280
the person until days later, and then it was too late. If flock was in place back then,

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02:44:14,280 --> 02:44:17,080
maybe he wouldn't have so many horrific memories.

1501
02:44:18,000 --> 02:44:21,540
So I think we're talking about the bad that Flock does

1502
02:44:21,540 --> 02:44:23,900
and let's think about the good and how we can improve it

1503
02:44:24,400 --> 02:44:27,120
to keep it and help keep our community safe.

1504
02:44:27,380 --> 02:44:27,920
Thank you.

1505
02:44:33,000 --> 02:44:36,120
Jeff Danford 3299 South Conestoga Road.

1506
02:44:36,200 --> 02:44:37,700
I wasn't gonna come up here tonight and talk,

1507
02:44:39,680 --> 02:44:41,780
but after watching all these people,

1508
02:44:42,760 --> 02:44:44,400
you'll have a perception issue.

1509
02:44:44,400 --> 02:44:50,900
Now, some of that perception is based on some misinformation, but a lot of what I heard

1510
02:44:50,900 --> 02:44:54,740
tonight was based on very careful fact-based research.

1511
02:44:56,880 --> 02:44:59,880
I have heard some comments over the last few weeks.

1512
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:27,880
So, on social media, that this is a blue issue, this is a defund the police issue. It's not. In fact, most of the people in here wearing red, a lot of vinyl personally, and they are not conservative. I mean, they are not liberal. They are conservatives, but they have concerns. And that's it. You folks are elected officials. We voted you in to make these decisions. And we respect you to make the right decisions.

1513
02:45:27,880 --> 02:45:32,560
questions. And all we ask is that you consider the

1514
02:45:34,900 --> 02:45:37,820
opinions of the folks that are your constituents.

1515
02:45:38,360 --> 02:45:44,080
It may be a good idea. I'm not anti-flock. I'm not pro-flock. I'm still doing the research

1516
02:45:44,080 --> 02:45:51,840
on it. But we have a condition where yes, they might be valid, but you also have a perception

1517
02:45:51,840 --> 02:45:57,660
issue from the public. Can you afford to lose a public trust? So all I ask is when you sit

1518
02:45:57,660 --> 02:46:02,320
down and deliberate this issue in the next few days and weeks, please consider the opinions

1519
02:46:02,320 --> 02:46:06,440
of all the people in the city and make the right decision. Thank you.

1520
02:46:13,820 --> 02:46:18,200
So, ma'am, would you be in 2, 3, 0, 4 North Cortes, or the patchy junction Arizona?

1521
02:46:21,330 --> 02:46:24,250
I heard that as a flock camera has been over there for four years.

1522
02:46:25,910 --> 02:46:29,390
I guess this one officer has violated that he resigned.

1523
02:46:30,090 --> 02:46:34,670
How many we have complained before that? I never heard any one of them.

1524
02:46:36,090 --> 02:46:43,090
child get abducted, people that get sick or they are in Alzheimer's disease, now that

1525
02:46:43,090 --> 02:46:45,910
stuff, they get lost, old people.

1526
02:46:46,990 --> 02:46:49,870
And then who helped them, police department?

1527
02:46:51,050 --> 02:46:55,510
We are driving down the road, Tempe, Mesa, Chandler, they're taking a picture, if you are speeding

1528
02:46:55,510 --> 02:46:58,630
or you're crossing the red light, how they find you.

1529
02:46:58,630 --> 02:47:02,690
their license plate and they said you were taking it at your house or they

1530
02:47:02,690 --> 02:47:10,270
served you over there. These flocked camera was if they don't have use it, it's a

1531
02:47:10,270 --> 02:47:16,370
great thing for the safety or for the public. If somebody kidnap the kids, ask

1532
02:47:16,370 --> 02:47:22,470
their mother and father how bad they feel if they can find their kids, that's the

1533
02:47:22,470 --> 02:47:29,110
best thing. If they've been abused, that's the worst thing. And you guys here from the public,

1534
02:47:29,290 --> 02:47:33,150
what are the people wants and all that stuff. You guys make the wise decision. That's where

1535
02:47:33,150 --> 02:47:40,150
how I feel. And I think it's a good thing for the safety reason. I think it's a good thing for

1536
02:47:40,150 --> 02:47:47,050
the people to get the crime, how to find them. That's the best thing. And look at the logs for

1537
02:47:47,050 --> 02:47:54,190
For last four years, how many people they find it, how many people they cause, they committed

1538
02:47:54,190 --> 02:47:58,830
the crime, and they travel through Apache Junction, Apache Junction Police, arrested them

1539
02:47:58,830 --> 02:48:02,030
and turned over to any city where they committed the crime.

1540
02:48:02,850 --> 02:48:04,170
That's how we look at it.

1541
02:48:05,010 --> 02:48:12,470
People think this, you know, this forth amendment violation, look at your cell phone, every information

1542
02:48:12,470 --> 02:48:14,510
everywhere in the world, everybody has it.

1543
02:48:14,990 --> 02:48:15,950
That's not the violation.

1544
02:48:16,490 --> 02:48:23,290
It is. And a lot of different things, things changing, technology changing. City has to keep

1545
02:48:23,290 --> 02:48:28,070
up with the technology. If need to change the codes on it, have to rewrite it. That's the

1546
02:48:28,070 --> 02:48:32,650
best thing. City has to be stay on top of it and make it happen and make sure people are

1547
02:48:32,650 --> 02:48:35,130
comfortable. People are safe. Thank you.

1548
02:48:41,590 --> 02:48:45,750
Andre meet 1327 South Bel Air Road here in AJ.

1549
02:48:47,990 --> 02:48:51,050
First off, I'd like to say thank all the

1550
02:48:51,050 --> 02:48:57,690
people for being here packing this place. This is the way it should be every meeting. So please come

1551
02:48:57,690 --> 02:48:58,850
to the council meetings.

1552
02:49:01,330 --> 02:49:05,150
Mayor, council, chief Gouli.

1553
02:49:07,610 --> 02:49:11,460
What I'm seeing tonight isn't so much

1554
02:49:13,520 --> 02:49:26,980
rejection of a camera system, it's standing up for the rights to privacy. Now I myself,

1555
02:49:26,980 --> 02:49:42,200
If, you know, a rabid pro police, pro red light camera, pro speeding camera, and pro

1556
02:49:42,800 --> 02:49:44,720
some of the aspects of flock.

1557
02:49:45,900 --> 02:49:50,220
But you look at a speeding camera, you look at a red light camera, that's instantaneous.

1558
02:49:50,480 --> 02:49:52,120
You got that car boo, you got this picture.

1559
02:49:52,960 --> 02:49:59,900
same with the red light cameras and I believe we need them here because we

1560
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:29,880
That idiot's on the road. And I've been at lights where I've seen three cars do a left turn on a red light, you know, right in front of me. And, you know, of course, you know how speeders are. They're everywhere. But point is, it's people have come to the point to where they're tired of being observed.

1561
02:50:33,160 --> 02:50:42,720
fracked, you know, scrutinized in many ways. It's, they're done. You know, it's, and unfortunately,

1562
02:50:43,000 --> 02:50:50,040
the flock type cameras, you know, they go in there, they just, they grab a handful, and they'll

1563
02:50:50,040 --> 02:51:00,280
pick out what they want. But that stays in the bucket. So it can be used, it can

1564
02:51:00,280 --> 02:51:09,860
be abused. And I think people want it to stop. They're just tired of it. They're

1565
02:51:09,860 --> 02:51:11,620
tired of being surveilled.

1566
02:51:13,660 --> 02:51:19,860
You look at the drones of police use. I think the

1567
02:51:19,860 --> 02:51:25,840
great. You know, I got no problem with them. You know, I got problems with other people flying drones

1568
02:51:26,760 --> 02:51:32,220
over the neighbor swimming pool where the 14-year-old girls sunbathing or something like that. You know,

1569
02:51:32,540 --> 02:51:34,340
police aren't going to do that.

1570
02:51:36,360 --> 02:51:45,300
But I think it's time for the council to really review. You've seen

1571
02:51:45,300 --> 02:51:52,020
what the people have been asking for here. I mean, it was just, you know, pretty much everybody

1572
02:51:52,520 --> 02:51:58,580
that was here pretty much had something to say against it. And it's, you know, not so much

1573
02:51:59,320 --> 02:52:04,460
that, you know, the flocks don't do good at time because they do. You know, I mean, they have

1574
02:52:04,460 --> 02:52:11,760
solved crimes, they have saved people, you know, everything. But the biggest problem was

1575
02:52:11,760 --> 02:52:19,480
that it was just thrown out there and they said hey guys have fun with it and they

1576
02:52:19,480 --> 02:52:28,440
did and a lot of people abused the hell out of it and you know it's like you

1577
02:52:28,440 --> 02:52:37,100
heard tonight over and over again about the officer here that abused it and you

1578
02:52:37,100 --> 02:52:41,080
You know, okay, he did, you know, the police jumped right on it.

1579
02:52:41,420 --> 02:52:42,760
Doesn't not going to happen again.

1580
02:52:43,840 --> 02:52:47,980
But the thing is, it's the way flock works.

1581
02:52:48,980 --> 02:52:54,640
It's that grabbing of everyone and picking out one or two

1582
02:52:54,640 --> 02:52:55,980
but holding onto those.

1583
02:52:57,580 --> 02:53:04,420
And I can see it working if it didn't work in that way.

1584
02:53:04,420 --> 02:53:25,180
And I mean, the way technology is going, it's going to be something that, you know, I believe we're going to set it aside for a while and find out what the heck technology is going to do because, you know, it's just, you know, how technology is like every 10 years, it's 100 years ahead of us.

1585
02:53:25,720 --> 02:53:29,740
and so anyway, I'm pleading with the council.

1586
02:53:30,620 --> 02:53:33,580
It's in your hands now, make a good decision,

1587
02:53:33,840 --> 02:53:34,660
and I thank you.

1588
02:53:45,860 --> 02:53:49,300
My name's Ed Kale, I live at 5934 East Shiprock Street.

1589
02:53:51,230 --> 02:53:55,230
I'm here because this is a constitutional tug of war.

1590
02:53:55,590 --> 02:54:00,490
I really, it hit me hard seeing this come in this town.

1591
02:54:01,870 --> 02:54:03,010
It is surveillance.

1592
02:54:03,010 --> 02:54:06,670
a patchy junction is just the renters.

1593
02:54:07,130 --> 02:54:12,710
We rent from these mass data collection,

1594
02:54:13,210 --> 02:54:14,150
these surveillance companies,

1595
02:54:14,150 --> 02:54:16,410
and who's watching them?

1596
02:54:18,370 --> 02:54:20,590
Who is watching what they do with it?

1597
02:54:20,670 --> 02:54:24,230
We have problems with trafficking in this country.

1598
02:54:26,410 --> 02:54:31,230
And who's to say that the wrong people can't target someone,

1599
02:54:31,230 --> 02:54:39,230
their license. I've got daughters and it's been a lot of time making sure they were safe because

1600
02:54:40,210 --> 02:54:43,930
that was something I was always worried about when I was raising them. They're grown now.

1601
02:54:44,270 --> 02:54:47,510
I still worry about them. I hope to be a grandfather.

1602
02:54:52,480 --> 02:54:55,040
The information in the wrong hands,

1603
02:54:55,040 --> 02:54:59,960
IE, these officers that are misused.

1604
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:05,560
These in this, this, this stuff or are, are possibly whoever has access to these companies

1605
02:55:05,560 --> 02:55:09,700
in that data, that's already been proven that these things can be hacked, anything could

1606
02:55:09,700 --> 02:55:16,720
be hacked. I'm asking that this town that we live in, get rid of these until this

1607
02:55:16,720 --> 02:55:21,300
stuff becomes more secure, I don't, I don't believe that this stuff belongs in this town.

1608
02:55:21,700 --> 02:55:25,880
I don't want to be surveillance. I, I wonder if there's people that are afraid to leave their

1609
02:55:25,880 --> 02:55:29,420
house because they, they're under surveillance 24, 7 .

1610
02:55:29,420 --> 02:55:32,220
I know people that don't want to leave their house

1611
02:55:33,120 --> 02:55:37,190
Because of this type of stuff now.

1612
02:55:40,780 --> 02:55:44,140
I suppose some people might call me the bad guy in the room

1613
02:55:44,140 --> 02:55:48,380
I'm the one that backed over your camera. So I'm gonna pay that price

1614
02:55:56,000 --> 02:55:58,320
at a good conversation with the chief and

1615
02:56:00,340 --> 02:56:04,620
You know, I believe that he's here to do his job the best of his ability and these tools

1616
02:56:05,340 --> 02:56:10,360
likely help him and other officers. I've got family and law enforcement. We've had those discussions

1617
02:56:11,040 --> 02:56:16,560
But I've had phone calls from around the country on people that don't want these in their towns and

1618
02:56:18,280 --> 02:56:20,960
I don't think we want these in this town and

1619
02:56:22,180 --> 02:56:22,700
that's

1620
02:56:24,200 --> 02:56:32,280
That is why we are here where we're talking to you folks about getting these out of here because

1621
02:56:33,780 --> 02:56:37,860
It's a tug-of-war with the fourth a men are constitutional

1622
02:56:42,490 --> 02:56:49,470
We're writing that line, and there's going to be tug of war, and I think it's on its way out.

1623
02:56:52,600 --> 02:56:57,340
I don't really want to be here over this, but I think it's necessary.

1624
02:56:58,520 --> 02:57:06,160
And I hope that this town does a better job at listening to its people, and I hope we get these out of here.

1625
02:57:07,860 --> 02:57:09,280
That's all I really have to say.

1626
02:57:10,820 --> 02:57:20,960
I hope that the decisions made that takes our combined concerns and I hope that we make

1627
02:57:20,960 --> 02:57:24,540
the right decision getting rid of these so that we can live free.

1628
02:57:25,260 --> 02:57:26,280
That's all I have to say.

1629
02:57:26,280 --> 02:57:27,060
L

1630
02:57:39,030 --> 02:57:46,750
.C. Westcott, 840 North Idaho Road, Mayor Councilman, I really didn't turn on speaking tonight.

1631
02:57:47,470 --> 02:57:51,590
However, I'm going to be the least favorite person in the crowd.

1632
02:57:52,310 --> 02:57:53,890
And I am wearing white, Judge.

1633
02:57:54,550 --> 02:57:55,790
It's the white flag.

1634
02:57:55,950 --> 02:57:56,250
Okay.

1635
02:57:57,070 --> 02:57:59,570
But I was a victim of a crime.

1636
02:58:00,910 --> 02:58:02,370
And there was no cameras.

1637
02:58:03,350 --> 02:58:08,950
The second time, I think to move a crime as well, only there was cameras.

1638
02:58:11,380 --> 02:58:15,320
We need technology. Your only is good as your technology is.

1639
02:58:16,120 --> 02:58:25,160
My family comes from a long line of military background police officers that fight for your constitutional rights.

1640
02:58:25,160 --> 02:58:26,900
And myself as an RN,

1641
02:58:29,470 --> 02:58:36,930
it's the Supreme Court Councilman Sawyer has ruled it's not a violation

1642
02:58:37,480 --> 02:58:38,470
of our rights.

1643
02:58:39,170 --> 02:58:45,890
When you're a victim or you have a family member specific to them, you want this technology.

1644
02:58:46,250 --> 02:58:50,530
We are behind this state of Arizona in technology.

1645
02:58:52,420 --> 02:58:58,680
As a child in RN, I've been flocked from the east to the west coast, and I've been pulled

1646
02:58:58,680 --> 02:59:04,880
Although I appreciate that, traveling alone, I want that safety net.

1647
02:59:07,350 --> 02:59:13,410
I remember a time when I lived in our tuky, you didn't stop in a patchy junction going

1648
02:59:13,410 --> 02:59:14,510
to the Lost Deschmen.

1649
02:59:14,970 --> 02:59:16,930
You didn't stop because it wasn't safe.

1650
02:59:18,410 --> 02:59:22,610
Now, people want to live here because it's safe.

1651
02:59:22,910 --> 02:59:23,710
Why is it safe?

1652
02:59:24,430 --> 02:59:26,670
Because of our A.D. police department.

1653
02:59:27,330 --> 02:59:28,550
They need this technology.

1654
02:59:28,550 --> 02:59:33,270
Let them do our job, their job, for us, thank you.

1655
02:59:39,730 --> 02:59:41,050
Hi, Mayor, Vice Mayor, Council.

1656
02:59:41,810 --> 02:59:43,850
Hamsel, already 4720 South orbits.

1657
02:59:46,150 --> 02:59:49,290
About two and a half months ago, I left lock.

1658
02:59:49,730 --> 02:59:52,430
I am no longer employed by lock as up to an half months ago.

1659
02:59:53,450 --> 02:59:54,930
My time there came to an end.

1660
02:59:56,730 --> 02:59:58,970
With that said, one thing that was brought up into this room.

1661
03:00:00,180 --> 03:00:29,760
That's valid is the mysteries of license plates. I would love to know what Chief Polly's policy is to avoid taking action on this reason. If I was a betting man, I would guarantee that he's going to come up here and say we verify and we verify and we verify before taking action on a stolen vehicle heads. I have full trust in Chief Polly and his police department from countless conversation that I've had with him about the flood platform. I want to talk about an isolated misuse that Chief Polly took accountability for and

1662
03:00:29,760 --> 03:00:34,660
process is in place to ensure it doesn't happen again but not the 34 stolen vehicles that were

1663
03:00:34,660 --> 03:00:39,660
recovered or the rape child that was brought back home to her family alive. My daughter was in the

1664
03:00:39,660 --> 03:00:45,120
youth academy here in Apache Junction. Shout out to Sergeant Pington. I don't think I saw him here.

1665
03:00:45,600 --> 03:00:50,800
He took a 13 year old girl that was not excited about going to summer camp and day two of that summer

1666
03:00:50,800 --> 03:00:55,980
camp. Waking up in the morning we told him hey we're about to be late. Let's go. So shout out to that

1667
03:00:55,980 --> 03:01:00,900
program that you guys have here. We'll live not 10 minutes away from City Hall and I want

1668
03:01:00,900 --> 03:01:06,880
law enforcement to have the tools to protect us and our families. Your vehicle is not

1669
03:01:06,880 --> 03:01:13,500
being tracked if a search is not done. A search has to be done for your vehicle to be tracked.

1670
03:01:14,100 --> 03:01:18,720
Love the search demo done by the commander. I do wish the demo could have been done

1671
03:01:18,720 --> 03:01:23,060
with a search without a search reason. A message would have come up staying,

1672
03:01:23,060 --> 03:01:26,180
a search reason is needed to conduct a search.

1673
03:01:26,900 --> 03:01:27,940
Flak doesn't sell data.

1674
03:01:28,420 --> 03:01:30,940
They are in support of legislation that LPR companies

1675
03:01:30,940 --> 03:01:32,360
doing business with law enforcement

1676
03:01:32,360 --> 03:01:34,260
are not allowed to sell data.

1677
03:01:35,320 --> 03:01:37,480
I heard a Prescott Council meeting a couple of months ago

1678
03:01:37,480 --> 03:01:38,300
that discussed Flak.

1679
03:01:39,120 --> 03:01:41,560
One thing that at the time Chief Amy Bommie

1680
03:01:41,560 --> 03:01:45,120
brought up was a particular case

1681
03:01:45,120 --> 03:01:47,280
where vehicle was stolen out of Penel County

1682
03:01:48,360 --> 03:01:49,680
and went into the Phoenix.

1683
03:01:49,680 --> 03:01:55,900
kids, kidnapped a child to corrupt through Flagstaff, who had just canceled their

1684
03:01:55,900 --> 03:01:59,940
Flag contract two weeks prior, then through Sedona, who had canceled their

1685
03:01:59,940 --> 03:02:04,120
Flag contract a couple of months prior, and then through Cottonwood, where a

1686
03:02:04,120 --> 03:02:08,360
stolen vehicle hit was, did happen, and alerted the police department in Cottonwood,

1687
03:02:08,740 --> 03:02:12,440
we did have the Flag platform, and they were able to make an arrest and recover

1688
03:02:12,440 --> 03:02:12,840
the child.

1689
03:02:15,730 --> 03:02:19,490
That's the real consequence we're talking about here. Again, I have

1690
03:02:19,490 --> 03:02:23,530
full trust in the police department. The police department is telling you if you trust us,

1691
03:02:23,670 --> 03:02:28,490
give us these tools. Give your law enforcement the tools they need to protect us and our family.

1692
03:02:29,390 --> 03:02:33,870
This is the police. Again, you said that we trust this police department. Let's just give them their

1693
03:02:33,870 --> 03:02:39,650
tools. One thing that I'll add is I'm not sure how many people in this room are aware. Over 50%

1694
03:02:39,650 --> 03:02:44,210
of the fentanyl that is trafficked through the United States goes through Arizona, right?

1695
03:02:44,210 --> 03:02:51,030
I had the pleasure of taking my kids trick-or-treating, October 31st of last year, but the unfortunate

1696
03:02:51,030 --> 03:02:55,910
reality is we did that with Narcan, with us, because we don't know what we're going

1697
03:02:55,910 --> 03:02:56,330
to encounter.

1698
03:02:56,930 --> 03:02:58,310
Again, that's the real consequence.

1699
03:02:58,930 --> 03:02:59,830
Keep on the tools that they need.

1700
03:03:00,290 --> 03:03:00,510
Thank you.

1701
03:03:08,880 --> 03:03:09,260
Okay.

1702
03:03:10,180 --> 03:03:16,620
Don't see any other movements, so I will now close the public hearing and discussions

1703
03:03:16,620 --> 03:03:17,700
from the council.

1704
03:03:18,380 --> 03:03:18,500
There?

1705
03:03:18,960 --> 03:03:19,080
Yes.

1706
03:03:19,660 --> 03:03:33,160
I would just like to thank everybody. Everybody that came here, everybody had different opinions and I really want to thank you for being professional and respectful and we'll take all considerations that you have.

1707
03:03:34,220 --> 03:03:46,920
Remember, you know, we're here to do the will of people and we might have to go out to the whole city and see what everybody thinks, but you know, it's something we've got to take a long talk and a long take a look at.

1708
03:03:48,320 --> 03:03:55,500
I love the technology, I'm a police officer, I love the technology, and I think it's really

1709
03:03:55,500 --> 03:04:03,400
really worth keeping myself, but there has to be strict guidelines, rules, and there

1710
03:04:03,400 --> 03:04:09,360
has to be absolute punishment if you abuse it, and that's the fault I saw with flaw.

1711
03:04:09,960 --> 03:04:15,180
It was out there and there was really no guardrails on it, and now we're putting guardrails,

1712
03:04:15,180 --> 03:04:20,080
We're putting in safety mechanisms, but we'll all sit and talk, and we'll decide what

1713
03:04:20,080 --> 03:04:23,880
we're going to do, but we are here to do the will of the people, and I appreciate you

1714
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coming, voicing your opinions, and being professional.

1715
03:04:27,100 --> 03:04:27,680
Thank you very much.

1716
03:04:33,550 --> 03:04:33,890
Okay.

1717
03:04:35,870 --> 03:04:42,770
Well, we're going to go on to the call of the public, and I got two responses here to address.

1718
03:04:43,410 --> 03:04:47,330
I'd like to remind everyone that the call of the public is a courtesy, and not required by

1719
03:04:47,330 --> 03:04:52,810
By law, it's a time for the public to express request, communication, comments, and suggestion.

1720
03:04:53,730 --> 03:04:59,770
Request to speak forms must have been completed and handed to the city clerk before the end of the city manager's report.

1721
03:05:00,340 --> 03:05:07,680
All issues shall be presented in a professional matter without personal attacks. Underneath the open

1722
03:05:07,680 --> 03:05:14,500
meeting law, the council cannot engage in discussion on the issues presented but may respond

1723
03:05:14,500 --> 03:05:19,620
to criticism and may direct staff to follow up with the speaker directly or place the

1724
03:05:19,620 --> 03:05:28,460
matter on future agenda for the council discussion. There is a three minute time limit with

1725
03:05:28,460 --> 03:05:31,100
the 30-second warning light indicated by yellow.

1726
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And my first one is Laurie Smith.

1727
03:05:36,600 --> 03:05:37,020
Beated

1728
03:05:42,330 --> 03:05:43,110
cheering on Tom.

1729
03:05:49,410 --> 03:05:50,590
Listen, it's 9.35.

1730
03:05:51,030 --> 03:05:52,310
I appreciate this very much.

1731
03:05:52,870 --> 03:05:53,730
My husband tied me.

1732
03:05:53,810 --> 03:05:55,510
I'm just under three minutes if I read quickly.

1733
03:05:56,930 --> 03:05:58,050
Good evening, everyone.

1734
03:05:58,210 --> 03:06:01,350
My name is Laurie Smith, 4073, East Corpio Place.

1735
03:06:01,690 --> 03:06:03,250
I'm here tonight to highlight a critical gap

1736
03:06:03,250 --> 03:06:06,010
in Apache Junction's Municipal Code, V-Line Horting.

1737
03:06:06,810 --> 03:06:09,190
While your current ordinances address dogs and livestock

1738
03:06:12,430 --> 03:06:15,150
I've been involved in annual rescue for over 30 years.

1739
03:06:15,390 --> 03:06:16,190
Here's a little background.

1740
03:06:16,450 --> 03:06:19,370
Last December, I was introduced to an Apache Judgment resident,

1741
03:06:19,850 --> 03:06:21,610
but approximately 80 cats at that point

1742
03:06:21,610 --> 03:06:23,570
and who had been subject to animal hoarding complaint

1743
03:06:23,570 --> 03:06:24,610
just one month prior.

1744
03:06:25,550 --> 03:06:28,630
By April, they had 125 cats by June 150.

1745
03:06:29,650 --> 03:06:32,970
After receiving the most recent complaint just last month,

1746
03:06:33,230 --> 03:06:36,110
they claimed to only have 70 cats, where the other cats go.

1747
03:06:36,810 --> 03:06:39,170
Even with only 80 cats, living conditions were an exception.

1748
03:06:39,170 --> 03:06:42,110
Acceptable, many of them sick, dying in a desperate need of medical care.

1749
03:06:42,590 --> 03:06:47,210
The cats are fed once a day with food being rationed because there's never enough food.

1750
03:06:47,890 --> 03:06:49,690
28 to 25 cats to a litter box.

1751
03:06:51,110 --> 03:06:55,450
Always 30 full of urine and feces, flies, the smell, they also have 9 to 10 dogs.

1752
03:06:56,490 --> 03:06:59,970
Law enforcement has been under their property twice without a warrant, and have cleared

1753
03:06:59,970 --> 03:07:02,870
them to carry on with the sad situation based on current codes.

1754
03:07:03,510 --> 03:07:06,010
Absolutely nothing but the situation is acceptable.

1755
03:07:06,010 --> 03:07:10,930
Under current code, municipal officers have clear legal mechanisms for dogs, large animals,

1756
03:07:11,130 --> 03:07:15,230
but severe cat wording exists in the legal gray area and remains unchecked.

1757
03:07:15,690 --> 03:07:19,750
In Phoenix, for example, individuals face class with misdemeanor if convicted for hoarding.

1758
03:07:20,330 --> 03:07:24,930
They're also ordered to receive a mental health evaluation in the order by the court for

1759
03:07:24,930 --> 03:07:29,530
periodic or regular property inspections and or prohibiting the individuals from taking

1760
03:07:29,530 --> 03:07:33,830
in any more animals or even owning animals in the future.

1761
03:07:33,830 --> 03:07:39,690
Federal free roaming cats are not subject to this, so they can continue to be fed by their caregivers.

1762
03:07:40,270 --> 03:07:44,250
There are public health and safety dangers, environmental and structural hazards.

1763
03:07:44,950 --> 03:07:50,370
Concentrated cat urine, feces, extreme ammonia, build-up biohazards, airborne contaminants,

1764
03:07:50,870 --> 03:07:52,330
sunscreen humans, and animals.

1765
03:07:52,950 --> 03:07:57,470
Firefighters, code enforcement personnel, entering these structures face severe respiratory and health hazards

1766
03:07:57,470 --> 03:08:00,090
without proper protocols or early interventional tools.

1767
03:08:00,090 --> 03:08:02,390
Baring dead animals on your property.

1768
03:08:02,690 --> 03:08:03,750
It's part of hoarding.

1769
03:08:04,270 --> 03:08:06,490
Beryl of dead animals on private properties

1770
03:08:06,490 --> 03:08:08,550
and that'll add to patchy junction or any place else.

1771
03:08:08,970 --> 03:08:10,970
Yet this property has a sizable mass grave

1772
03:08:10,970 --> 03:08:14,550
where they dispose of their dead animals, primarily cats.

1773
03:08:15,390 --> 03:08:16,970
I respectfully ask the City Council

1774
03:08:16,970 --> 03:08:20,170
to update the municipal code, formally integrate inside cats,

1775
03:08:20,590 --> 03:08:23,470
pets, and to existing animal welfare and limit ordinances

1776
03:08:23,470 --> 03:08:25,210
alongside dogs and livestock.

1777
03:08:25,970 --> 03:08:27,810
Establish a multi-agency protocol

1778
03:08:27,810 --> 03:08:33,190
ensure code enforcement, animal control, fire department work together rather

1779
03:08:35,750 --> 03:08:36,570
than acting

1780
03:08:36,570 --> 03:08:37,630
as individual agencies.

1781
03:08:38,270 --> 03:08:41,690
And from like clear, he made cap thresholds or permitting guidelines for high-density

1782
03:08:41,690 --> 03:08:46,950
companion animals, a stab sugar established structured diversion pathways, pairing legal

1783
03:08:46,950 --> 03:08:47,470
enforcement.

1784
03:08:51,240 --> 03:08:54,740
I would like to add that there are a number of us that are available in any capacity to assist

1785
03:08:54,740 --> 03:08:55,120
with this.

1786
03:08:55,620 --> 03:08:55,960
Thank you.

1787
03:08:56,080 --> 03:08:56,980
I didn't make my three minutes.

1788
03:08:57,360 --> 03:08:57,760
Thank you.

1789
03:08:57,900 --> 03:08:59,260
I appreciate it.

1790
03:08:59,400 --> 03:09:00,120
Donna Carr?

1791
03:09:12,480 --> 03:09:27,880
I gave a paper to all you guys about wanting to have it revamped and revised the future plan of Apache Junction and let's not wait until everything is already said and done with all these three story apartment complexes that want to go in.

1792
03:09:28,640 --> 03:09:42,580
I'd like to see if we can get it together where the people can choose what they want in the city because I know I was told that 7,000 people voted for this that is going on right now.

1793
03:09:43,200 --> 03:09:51,180
But how many people actually came in and looked at the plan and how many people just went like sort of like in high school and colored in the bubble.

1794
03:09:52,180 --> 03:09:59,200
So, I understand we need to revamp and revise the future plan of Apache Jochen, thank you.

1795
03:10:03,220 --> 03:10:31,820
Any comments from the council? Yes. Can we get a work session on this cat issue on cat hoarding? Yes, we'll definitely get that on the agenda. Okay, and then are we going to be doing an executive for either a work session on further discussion about the cameras? Yes, we can get that on as well. Okay. Work session. What?

1796
03:10:42,320 --> 03:10:48,160
Okay, I'm going to make one quick comment in concerning the revise,

1797
03:10:50,660 --> 03:10:59,680
revise a future plan is when it was being presented, we had many, I don't mean one or two.

1798
03:10:59,680 --> 03:11:10,020
I'm saying many open sessions, discussions, we had our people at different events where

1799
03:11:10,020 --> 03:11:15,820
they went out and talked to the people about what was coming up and what was on the plan

1800
03:11:16,420 --> 03:11:22,540
and how we addressed it and, you know, I really and truthfully want to emphasize the fact

1801
03:11:22,540 --> 03:11:28,760
that I think that they did a terrific job and to show everybody what the plans were, what

1802
03:11:28,760 --> 03:11:35,540
was being changed and what the different sections of the community was and how it was all working

1803
03:11:35,540 --> 03:11:43,360
together to include the areas to the south. Okay I will now close the city council.