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[30:25] Okay, I would like to call city of Apache Jones and council meeting of September 1st, 2026 to order and ask everyone to put their cell phones on silence.
[30:50] We thank you for the privilege and freedom we have.
[30:52] have been able to discuss the business.
[30:58] We have to be careful with the authority
[31:01] in their decision making.
[31:02] Keep us mindful that we serve the residents of this city.
[31:06] We ask for help from the men and women
[31:08] who serve in our military around the world.
[31:11] Please keep them safe in these trouble
[31:13] in uncertain times.
[31:15] We ask also for your blessing on our first responders,
[31:18] including our police and fire departments,
[31:20] along with our EMS personnel and our park rangers.
[31:24] Please keep the brave men and women safe in their duties
[31:26] to protect and care for the residents of this city.
[31:30] And we do thank you for the honor and privilege we have
[31:32] to serve the residents of this great city.
[31:35] These things to be asked in your name, amen.
[31:40] Hi, what are your opinions to the flag
[31:43] of the United States of America
[31:45] and to the Republic for which it stands
[31:48] one nation under God in the visible roll
[31:56] call. Mayor Wilson. Here. Vice Mayor Schroeder.
[32:01] President. Council member Cross. Here. Council member Heck. Here. Council member Johnson.
[32:06] Here. Council member Nestor. President. Council member Solar. Here. You have a
[32:10] quorum your honor. Thank you. We'll make a quick little statement in the
[32:14] aspect on it. I know there's a bunch of people have put in some applications for
[32:20] You don't have to sign up for it because it is a, excuse me, a public hearing and you don't need to have them filled out and the forms are for the call to the public.
[32:37] So just to let everybody know.
[32:39] Okay, consent agenda. As a reminder, all items under consent agenda will be approved
[32:45] with one motion. If a council member wishes to remove an item for further discussion,
[32:50] the request will be made prior to approving the consent agenda, and will be moved to new
[32:55] business.
[32:58] Do I have a motion under consent agenda?
[33:00] Mayor? Yes.
[33:01] I move that the consent agenda be accepted as present presented, and that item number
[33:07] number 4 and 5 be approved with a retroactive date of July 1st, 2026.
[33:13] Second.
[33:14] Moved and seconded.
[33:15] Roll call.
[33:16] Council member Nestor.
[33:17] Yes.
[33:18] Council member Johnson.
[33:20] Yes.
[33:20] Council member Cross.
[33:22] Yes.
[33:22] Council member Heck.
[33:23] Yes.
[33:24] Council member Solar.
[33:25] Yes.
[33:26] Vice Mayor Schroeder.
[33:27] Yes.
[33:27] Mayor Wilson.
[33:28] Yes.
[33:28] Motion passes.
[33:30] Awards and presentations.
[33:33] Presentation of a 40-year service award.
[33:43] .
[33:44] I'm sorry.
[33:49] We're here to recognize an important milestone tonight.
[33:57] I need to get out of here.
[34:05] tonight, we are celebrating 40 years of service to the city from the woman behind me,
[34:13] Trish Pelletier. Trish began working at the library in 1986. You can see the building up there
[34:19] on the screen. And now it's 20, 26, 40 years later. So what makes that date special is that the
[34:25] library itself was going through a big change at that time. It was a one-month-old building.
[34:31] Our Idaho Road Library had opened, finally, and Trish was one of the first people to work there.
[34:38] So when Trish walked through the doors for the first time as an employee, she was beginning her career in a building that was just beginning its life.
[34:45] In 1986, it looked a lot different than the one we know today.
[34:49] It was smaller, a patchy junction was smaller, and many of the additions and changes that we now see are permanent plans of the libraries were still years away.
[34:59] Bye.
[35:00] The photographs on the slide really put those 40 years into perspective. I can get it going in the next
[35:06] stream. There we go. So this is trash back, we believe in 1986.
[35:16] During that time she again
[35:17] as a library clerk, then she was a senior library assistant in 1990 in a 2015 she began
[35:23] the library's supervising library assistant. And of course the library wasn't standing
[35:29] still during those 4 years while Trish was here. Trish began working in the area of library
[35:33] card catalogs and was instrumental in bringing about the transition to computers and the more
[35:39] advanced technologies that we know today.
[35:44] Oh my gosh. Sorry, just clicking the down arrow.
[35:48] Down here, thank you. There we go.
[35:54] At the same time, the building around her was changing.
[35:57] There were additions, there were remodels, new spaces, new ways of using the library.
[36:04] Here is one of the additions that we had back in 2008 looking at a difference that was
[36:11] back in 1986.
[36:13] But for Trish, these aren't simply pictures of how the library used to look.
[36:17] These represent the different stages of her career.
[36:20] She's had to adapt again and again to new technology, co-workers, leadership, and an ever-changing
[36:25] library.
[36:27] And 40 years later, she is still here with the perspective of someone who has personally
[36:31] experienced every chapter of this building's story.
[36:38] But ultimately public
[36:39] libraries are about people. Over four decades thousands and thousands of
[36:43] people have walked through the doors of our library. They've come looking for
[36:47] books, information, technology, help, programs for their kids, research assistants
[36:52] and more, and every time they've come they've probably seen trash. When someone
[36:57] works in the same public library for decades they develop a connection to the
[37:01] community. There are a long-time patrons that Trish knows by name and they know her by name
[37:06] because they've known each other for years.
[37:11] There are community traditions events and
[37:13] stories to remember because she was there when it happened and public service sometimes requires
[37:18] a willingness to take on roles that probably weren't listed in the original job description.
[37:24] At one point that apparently included serving the age of community as the Easter Bunny.
[37:33] After 40 years, Trish also carries something that can't be captured in a job description.
[37:38] She has the incredible amount of knowledge about our library, about its people, and about
[37:44] its history.
[37:46] There have been many times when a question comes up, and we all just say, ask Trish.
[37:51] She remembers former staff, longtime patrons, the way we used to do things, earlier versions
[37:57] of the building, earlier versions of manuals, everything else goes on in a library over 40 years,
[38:03] because that's what she can do after four decades. And that kind of perspective is rare,
[38:08] and it has become incredibly valuable.
[38:12] So we have 40 years in memory here tonight. When you look
[38:16] through 40 years of photographs, you see an entire career unfold. There are different co-workers,
[38:24] different directors and supervisors, different celebrations and some of these people in these photographs worked alongside Trish decades ago, and others are people that she still works with today.
[38:41] She couldn't have known how Apache Junction would grow and change over the last 40 years, and she certainly couldn't have known that for years later we would be standing here at a city council meeting looking back at photographs of her from 40 years ago.
[38:54] And perhaps that is one of the best ways to understand what 40 years of service really means.
[39:02] It isn't simply the passage of time.
[39:05] It is continuing to serve as community needs change.
[39:11] Over 40 years, Trish has accumulated knowledge that simply cannot be learned from the manual.
[39:17] It comes from decades of knowing the community and knowing us.
[39:22] And that kind of knowledge is incredibly valuable.
[39:24] Tres hasn't just witnessed this history, she is the main part of it.
[39:30] And this milestone is especially meaningful because Tres just announced that she'll
[39:36] be retiring in October, bringing her extraordinary 40-year career with the city to a close.
[39:44] So it's my privilege this evening to recognize Tres' palatir for 40 remarkable years of service
[39:52] for the City of Apache Junction.
[40:17] And we're going to have you come on down. Trish, we're going to put the 40 year mark up on the front forever. And oh, it's already there. Three people ever in the city's history is made it. We're only a 48 year old city. And you are from the beginning. You're a servant public servant. You admit everything that we are in the city. I thank you for your service. I thank you for your example to all of our employees of what a public servant is. And on behalf of the entire city.
[41:40] staff. I thank you and let's get a picture of Mary with Trish
[42:01] I have to say and all the
[42:05] years have been up here celebrating people's years of service. I have never seen the entire
[42:10] community to show up to celebrate. This is great. Good job.
[42:20] You can, you've all come straight now.
[42:23] I'm going to say one quick little thing in the aspects of it is one of the things
[42:27] that I retire from the military and one of the things that you had to go through was a
[42:32] mandatory retirement briefing. If you didn't do the retirement briefing,
[42:38] you weren't allowed to retire, and I am going to pass the information that was presented in that, is definitely in the aspects on it.
[42:50] Keep moving forward and keep busy in the aspect because that's the best thing you will ever do, and sitting down watching TV all day long does not help out at all.
[43:02] So best of luck, enjoy, do a little traveling, and enjoy the whole family.
[43:09] Okay, regional intergovernment meetings and updates from the council.
[43:16] Anyone have anything?
[43:18] Yeah.
[43:19] Yes.
[43:19] Yes.
[43:20] And Councilmember Cross attended the Morrison Institute down in Phoenix, Arizona State University
[43:29] holds it.
[43:30] They talked about water and Colorado River water if so, y'all know we're taking a cut in
[43:37] that.
[43:37] But all the cities pretty much have planned for this cut.
[43:41] So it's, it's bad, but it's not as bad as it could have been.
[43:45] And most cities aren't going to see a substantial increase
[43:48] in fees for water because of the cuts.
[43:53] They also talked about housing and what was the other thing?
[43:58] It talked about data centers.
[44:00] Data centers.
[44:01] And there's a lot of misinformation out there about data centers.
[44:04] and they were filling us in on what the misinformation is.
[44:09] So they talked about data centers
[44:11] and what they bring to your community
[44:13] and what they don't bring to your community.
[44:15] So it was interesting.
[44:17] And then we all attended the leagues golf.
[44:20] That's true.
[44:21] I don't believe that.
[44:22] Yes, Chip.
[44:23] I don't believe that up to Chip.
[44:25] Oh, yeah.
[44:26] Yeah, I'm going to say all of us attended
[44:28] the league of cities and towns
[44:30] and the aspects on it.
[44:31] And we enjoyed a lot of meetings and information that was spread out and given to us and we have our youth advisory council as part of the picture here.
[44:49] And it's one of the things that I really enjoy is the aspect of having the youth involved and youth being in present and seeing how government.
[45:00] It works and being involved into it and they definitely showed up and talked to them and enjoyable time spending some short time with them as well.
[45:14] Through the other comments from the council. Anybody want to talk to this one? Oh yeah. I forgot that one. I got presented an award for 20 years of service for the city of Apache Junction.
[45:31] I'm coming up on it this year and the aspects on it and they gave it to me a little early because
[45:39] I'm not going to be around next year to be able to attend to it.
[45:42] So I'm a few months early for the 20-year mark and I was, there's just two of us that got it.
[45:51] So I guess I'm joining a small crowd in the aspect on it.
[45:58] All right.
[46:03] Presentation of discussion and public hearing on technology employed by the
[46:08] police department chief pulley.
[46:17] Why skip the manager's report?
[46:19] I mean, it's really big tonight. So I can go over it really quickly if you'd like mayor.
[46:24] Just a reminder to the community and to you the upcoming 9-11 memorial and we're so grateful
[46:31] for the work that the committee's done to councilmember Johnson Friday September 11th, 25
[46:37] years. That's what we're all gazebo here at the Northeast corner, superstition, and Idaho.
[46:43] We hope the community will come and be a part of and think about and ponder the wonderful
[46:48] country we have. The other item is through SRP. SRP is does, I don't know if we've got, did
[46:54] you have something to say? Yeah, we have, we have 25 different organizations that are bringing
[46:59] memorials to that and we have some very interesting items with the children that were involved
[47:06] in learning a little bit more about 9-11, so we are very pleased that we have a full agenda,
[47:13] and we certainly hope to see as many of our citizens come out to the Veterans Memorial
[47:18] Josebo for that. Thank you. And then as a reminder, Canyon Lake will be receiving a drawdown
[47:27] from SRP, it doesn't happen very often. And the work that's being done will be to maintain the dam,
[47:32] and to be able to keep that great resource going and other than that you're
[47:36] honor that concludes my report for tonight. Okay, I apologize chief. We'll do now
[47:42] go into your technology report.
[47:47] Got me excited.
[47:51] Mayor members of Council I
[47:52] appreciate this opportunity to come up and I'm glad we have a lot of people here
[47:58] to hear what we have to say. Tonight we're going to be talking about
[48:02] technology. And technology has always been an evolution, not only for the public, but
[48:08] also for law enforcement. At one time, police radios were, it was new technology, computers
[48:15] in our patrol car was new technology, body-worn cameras, which I remember when those were
[48:20] implemented. It was, there was a lot of pushback. GPS, DNA, and how that's used, it's all been
[48:28] in part of the evolution of law enforcement.
[48:32] Each of these technologies has one thing in common.
[48:35] They're tools, and they do not replace police officers.
[48:38] They do not replace good judgment.
[48:40] They do not replace good police work,
[48:42] constitutional policing, or accountability.
[48:45] They give our officers better information
[48:47] so they can make better and safer decisions
[48:50] to keep our community safe.
[48:52] But I also believe something else very strongly
[48:55] with great technology, it comes a lot
[48:57] a great responsibility. And I understand why people have questions about these technologies,
[49:02] especially particularly ALPR, which we'll talk about. And I believe the public should
[49:08] ask these questions. In fact, this morning I met with a young lady who's actually here today
[49:13] who brought up some concerns. And I appreciated that. We met personally, and I love those conversations.
[49:20] I heard from her perspective, and she heard from our perspective. And there's things that we're
[49:25] looking at and we're looking at different things that maybe need to be modified or things
[49:30] that may need to be changed. That's how change happens. It's through dialogue like that
[49:35] and like tonight. And those are fair questions and I also want to separate what this technology
[49:40] actually does from what people fear it may do. There's in my opinion some misinformation
[49:48] that's out there and I hope I can clarify that tonight. I hope I can answer questions and
[49:53] make things a little more clear. And even after tonight, if people still disagree with
[49:57] what we have to say, I respect that. And I-
[50:00] We will not hold a grudge against anybody that disagrees with the way we place here in the city of Apache Junction. One of the things that I've been here as the chief for about four and a half years now, it'll be five years in January. When we look at the decline in crime, crime has been declining significantly. So much so just in the last three years, it's declined almost 20% since 2022. Now there's a lot of reasons for that, the way we do things, the way we have changed
[50:29] things different people have been put in place, but a big part of that, I believe, is part
[50:34] of the technology that we've used in law enforcement.
[50:39] So what is the technology that the Apache Junction Police Department has?
[50:43] We use ALPR, which is known as automatic license plate readers.
[50:48] The brand we use is Flock, which has become synonymous with ALPR.
[50:53] There are several other brands out there.
[50:57] Some departments are going away from flock
[50:59] and going to another ALPR to appease the public.
[51:04] We won't do that.
[51:04] We are here to answer questions.
[51:06] If we feel that this technology is helping our city,
[51:10] we're going to stand by it.
[51:13] We also have chaffer cameras, body-worn cameras
[51:16] drawn as a first responder, which I'll refer to as DFR tonight.
[51:19] We also have our dispatch in our 911 technology.
[51:24] So what is a drone as a first responder?
[51:26] This is fairly new technology that is used specifically for certain types of crimes.
[51:31] When we have a violent crime that happens, and we're going to give an example here of a
[51:37] robbery that took place, and as that happens, when our officers are in route, they don't
[51:43] know what they're getting into, they don't know much information.
[51:46] We know there's about a three to five-minute time delay from the time the 911 call comes
[51:51] in to the time our officers are actually on scene because of the delay that it takes.
[51:57] What a drone is a first responder does as the 911 call comes in, it goes specifically
[52:02] to a location and gives real-time information to our responding officers.
[52:08] And I want to show this video that'll help explain a little bit of that.
[52:12] Drone
[52:23] is a first responder, otherwise known as DFR.
[52:28] The program can provide officers with critical information before they arrive at certain
[52:33] calls.
[52:34] DFR allows trained personnel to deploy Drone to active incidents, providing a view from
[52:41] a bug that can help officers understand what is happening and determine the safest way
[52:47] to respond.
[52:48] Good, my dear, these sons were all head-selling shoes.
[52:51] Someone called the maximum plan, took the shoes,
[52:54] it's gonna be one mile with a pink ski mask,
[52:56] the other one was wringled red city with white shoes.
[52:59] During the investigation, a school resource officer
[53:02] developed information, identifying a possible subject
[53:06] and residence.
[53:08] As officers responded, the DFR was requested to the city.
[53:12] The air ball launched a DFR and ATL area.
[53:16] Air one has been launched.
[53:20] The drone provided a live real aerial view of the area as officers responded.
[53:26] We got a subject that just stood out of the ship.
[53:29] She started the house and went under a little headstroke.
[53:33] He's just sticking off the west end of the building.
[53:35] It's right underneath that little headshot side of it.
[53:38] Oh god.
[53:38] officers looking at all suspects who admitted their involvement in the robbery,
[53:44] honestly, or the day. In the real-time crime investigation,
[53:50] gave officers the clearer picture before approaching the residence, helping them
[53:55] plan their response with safety of everyone involved. It's important to know that
[54:02] we're not just flying drones around looking for activity. DFR is the first
[54:08] specific calls for service and law enforcement operations and our pilots are
[54:13] trained at the A certified and follow established department calls. Better
[54:19] information can lead to safer decisions for our officers for those involved in an
[54:26] incident and for the community we serve.
[54:34] So without DFR the way we would go is our
[54:37] officers would get the call dispatched to them from 9-1-1-1 call would come in.
[54:44] Our dispatchers would take that call and they would provide that information and dispatch
[54:47] our officers.
[54:49] What we've seen with our DFR since we've had this deployed for the last about five months,
[54:55] we have faster response times, we're able to get real-time information provided.
[55:00] Information on where suspects are located, provide a description, a travel, a description, and
[55:05] whether we see any weapons that are visible. So with these, with this technology, it's become
[55:10] very apparent that it's been helpful to apprehend suspects in a much faster time and in a safer
[55:17] way as well.
[55:21] Let's talk about ALPR. Before I get into this, I think everybody knows, well, I believe
[55:28] they know the purpose of this. We did have an incident here in the Apache
[55:34] Junction Police Department that I'm not proud of. I addressed it in a press
[55:38] conference where we had an officer that did misuse this. This happened on April
[55:43] 19th and when we found out about it after the misuse we had we were no we knew
[55:48] about it within about three hours and we took action immediately. The
[55:53] officer was suspended. All of his rights were taken away from any access to any
[55:58] of this, and we were in contact with the person that he was trying to locate.
[56:03] For us, it was a big blow to us.
[56:07] It was something that for me, I'm not proud of, and it's something that I know we're going
[56:11] to have to rebuild trust.
[56:13] It's something that I will speak about openly.
[56:16] We have nothing to hide.
[56:17] We did not want to not share that, but I wanted to make sure that people know when we have this
[56:26] technology, we do have human beings in these roles, and throughout my career and 25 years,
[56:33] I have seen officers misuse technology. They're held accountable, and sometimes they're arrested,
[56:39] if it's a crime, and sometimes more than anything, they're terminated from employment.
[56:44] That's what we did here in the Apache Junction Police Department. He did resign before we could
[56:50] to terminate him, but it still is considered a termination.
[56:55] So I wanted to bring that up as well.
[56:57] We also know that here in the Apache Junction Police Department,
[57:00] we have been working very hard to build trust.
[57:05] I know it takes one bad incident to break all the good work that we've been putting in.
[57:10] We work with our school district, we go to the football games,
[57:13] we go to the high school events, we go to church outings,
[57:16] we go to everything we can to share information and show how much we support this community.
[57:23] I believe we have a great reputation in the city of Apache Junction and the residents.
[57:28] We've seen it. We've felt it. When we lost our officer last year, we felt the support of the
[57:32] community. But now we have to start over. And we are going to start over and we're going to continue
[57:38] having these conversations. And we're going to address not only you, Mayor and Vice Mayor and
[57:43] council members. We will go to churches, we will go to schools, we will go to community forums,
[57:49] we will not shy away from this and we will have these open discussions. That is my commitment.
[57:55] When we talk about ALPR, we've had this technology for about three and a half years.
[58:00] I came from another city where ALPR was used. We've been using it in law enforcement
[58:05] for over 25 years that I've been here. But flock, the specific name in this, has been around for
[58:12] for about eight or nine years, and the last city I worked for, we were the first
[58:16] season to go to it, and we saw the success in it. We saw the success of
[58:21] apprehending suspects, recovering stolen vehicles, finding missing people.
[58:25] That's why I wanted to bring it here. I still stand by that, and I want to explain
[58:30] a few things how it works, and then I have a little video I'll show here, here.
[58:35] What ALPR does is it captures license plate information.
[58:38] It's a moment in time that takes a photo of a vehicle, the rear of a vehicle.
[58:46] The vehicle characteristics, the daytime and location, it does not do facial recognition.
[58:52] We do not have cameras that have facial recognition.
[58:55] These cameras do not take photos of the front of the vehicles.
[59:00] Anybody that sees the photos, you cannot see who's in the vehicle.
[59:04] What it does is it gives us a snapshot in time of the rear of the vehicle and captures
[59:08] the license plate.
[59:10] For those that don't understand how law enforcement works, when somebody commits a crime or somebody
[59:14] steals a vehicle, that information is put into a national crime database.
[59:19] That information is synced to our cameras.
[59:24] What that does is when there's a vehicle that drives by these cameras that's involved in
[59:29] a crime that's been put into the National Crime Information Center or NCIC.
[59:35] It'll give us an alert and say that a stolen vehicle or a missing person just drove by
[59:40] this camera and it sends us a picture of that vehicle.
[59:44] At that point, we are able to respond and try to take action.
[59:49] Since 2024, we have recovered 34 stolen vehicles valued at about $700,000, we've located
[59:57] did nine missing people here in the city of Apache.
[1:00:00] Some of those were from neighboring jurisdictions. There was one individual that was suffering from dementia Alzheimer's, from the West Valley that had driven out here, and we located him because of the flock hit that the other agency had put into NCIC.
[1:00:18] I've been asked has, you know, actually we'll get into the second, I apologize. How we use it is we look for missing an endangered persons stolen vehicles. We use it
[1:00:31] for investigations. Some of the investigations involved some of our youth. There was an incident
[1:00:37] not too long ago. One of our students from the Apache Unified School District
[1:00:41] was taken and she was had just turned 13 years old and she was taken by a 68-year-old stranger.
[1:00:51] We would have not found this girl as fast as we did had we not had these ALPRs. Now
[1:00:58] Now that's one person, is it worth it?
[1:01:03] One person that's one of our students at Apache Junction Unified School District?
[1:01:07] Absolutely, we've talked to the mom or the grandparents, we've talked to her guardians and they thank us for this technology.
[1:01:15] We've talked to numerous victims of crimes, people who have had their vehicles recovered that have asked how we found it, we let them know, and they've showed appreciation.
[1:01:26] We've used this type of technology for fatal hit and runs where a vehicle ran someone over,
[1:01:33] killed them, and fled the scene.
[1:01:36] We were able to pull up the vehicles in the area at that time, and we were able to locate
[1:01:40] the vehicle, the vehicle head was somebody that lived up north in northern Arizona, and
[1:01:47] we were able to solve that case because of that and bring some justice to the family.
[1:01:51] One of the things that it does not do, if the camera takes a picture of a vehicle, it
[1:02:00] does not mean that the police see that vehicle.
[1:02:03] The only reason we see that vehicle is if it's involved in a crime or it's involved in
[1:02:09] some type of investigation that we need to find the person.
[1:02:15] Some of the things that we do is we have a LPR is for a legitimate law enforcement purpose.
[1:02:23] We have changed several things since our misuse.
[1:02:26] We've learned from that.
[1:02:27] We've learned that there needs to be more guard rails on this technology, even within
[1:02:31] our own department.
[1:02:32] We have limited who now has access to that.
[1:02:35] We do weekly audits.
[1:02:37] We conduct audits where we're able to see who is accessing what type of vehicles and why.
[1:02:44] And there's a video that we're going to show here with Commander Ewer.
[1:02:49] I'm sure she loves that photo, but we'll play this.
[1:02:53] It's about a five minute video, so bear with me for about five minutes.
[1:02:57] Over the investigations division.
[1:02:59] I'm here to show you and dispel some rumors about how our flock safety system works
[1:03:04] using our license plate readers in the city of Apache Junction.
[1:03:08] So behind me, I'm going to pull up what it looks like when we are using the system and
[1:03:13] some of the safeguards that we have in place to ensure that we are using it properly and
[1:03:16] that we are holding ourselves accountable.
[1:03:18] So behind me is the restricted access warning before we actually view the system.
[1:03:24] It's showing us that if we're using it for illegal enforcement, immigration enforcement,
[1:03:28] in certain states that we are using it with care, and that we are being monitored, recorded
[1:03:33] in audited and that the improper use is likely to disciplinary actions.
[1:03:39] So we're going to click on the accept on that.
[1:03:42] And everything I do on here is going to be in a testing phase.
[1:03:46] However, we've already documented that this is going to happen
[1:03:49] and because it is going to show that I did a test on this system.
[1:03:54] So when we go through and do an audit, it's going to show that I ran this license plate for a test.
[1:03:59] But it is going to flag in the system as something that needs to be looked at
[1:04:02] because it's unusual activity.
[1:04:04] So here we have the offense types.
[1:04:06] These are our different offense types
[1:04:07] that we will have to put into the system
[1:04:09] when we do a search.
[1:04:10] So an example would be if we had an elderly citizen
[1:04:13] that went missing from her house
[1:04:14] and her family's reported her missing,
[1:04:16] if she has left in her vehicle,
[1:04:19] we would put in here that we're looking
[1:04:21] for a missing person.
[1:04:23] But I'm going to use the other on this
[1:04:26] because we're just doing a test.
[1:04:28] So this is going to flag me for conduct
[1:04:31] that's not normal. So I'm going to put in here that we are doing a test. However, normally we would
[1:04:37] put in the case number. So if that missing female was missing, we would put in the case number that's
[1:04:41] responsible for that. And we would put the reason that we would say looking for missing vehicle or missing
[1:04:48] person, but we're going to still continue to put testing in here. And what we're going to do is we're
[1:04:53] going to look up the license plate of one of our police cars so that we're not looking up anybody else's
[1:04:59] plate.
[1:05:00] That we know this is a plate that we have and I actually have it saved in here. And we're going to use Arizona as the state. And we're going to down here it shows the start and the end date. Right now we only have it set for two hours unless we go and change it. So I'm going to do the last 24 hours of any flock hits on our license plate from our police vehicle. So this is loading the results. You can see here what it looks like when we get a
[1:05:30] license plate reader hit. No matter how close or far these license plate
[1:05:35] readers are to the license plate you cannot see inside the vehicle. So even though
[1:05:40] the plate is this close or it's this close or this close you still can't see
[1:05:46] who's inside. Here's a picture of another vehicle we weren't searching for and I
[1:05:50] still can't see inside of that vehicle as well as well as this photo that shows
[1:05:55] oncoming traffic and I cannot see that person in that vehicle. So this license plate reader
[1:06:01] is basically just giving us information that if I was standing on the side of the road,
[1:06:06] I would be able to see the license plate number and the vehicle driving by.
[1:06:10] One of the cases that shows us the success story from the LPR system is the fact that we
[1:06:14] were able to find an elderly woman with dementia and Alzheimer's who had left her family home
[1:06:20] in her vehicle without water bottle or a wallet or a cell phone and her family was able
[1:06:29] to track that she had left the house within the last two hours and that she had a history
[1:06:34] of previous living in New Mexico. So the family thought she had baby gone to New Mexico.
[1:06:40] And we were able to go in and put that she was a missing person into the system and add
[1:06:47] her license plate into the LPR system.
[1:06:53] We were able to find her and track her through globe and all the way to Stafford, Arizona,
[1:06:59] where she was on her way to New Mexico, based on this LPR system.
[1:07:03] Because when we add in a missing endangered person with their license plate into the system,
[1:07:08] when they cross an LPR camera in the state, it will notify that agency that that person
[1:07:14] or that vehicle has entered that jurisdiction and where it was.
[1:07:18] So when we had noticed that she was in Stafford,
[1:07:20] we contacted the Stafford Police Department,
[1:07:22] and we were able to tell them,
[1:07:25] can you go search in this area for this woman?
[1:07:27] So it's a good success story is we're not sitting here
[1:07:30] watching for license plate reader hits on stolen vehicles
[1:07:34] or looking up things.
[1:07:37] It's more of, in the moment, active investigation
[1:07:40] where we can really make a difference in someone's life.
[1:07:42] I can say with 100 percent certainty that this woman who went missing would not have
[1:07:47] been found within a reasonable amount of time without the license plate readers.
[1:07:52] I say that because time is of the essence when we're dealing with our vulnerable
[1:07:56] community and not being able to locate her in this type of heat and the desert is
[1:08:02] something we would have never been able to do without the license plate readers.
[1:08:07] So as you can see, that's how flock is used here in the city of Apache Junction.
[1:08:13] Some of the things I think is important to know, we do listen to our community, we understand
[1:08:17] that there has been some incidents we've had cameras that have been damaged, and I understand
[1:08:22] that.
[1:08:22] And one of the things that we've discussed internally, is there are cameras that have been
[1:08:27] put out that probably don't need to be in those locations.
[1:08:31] I had a great conversation with the gentleman that his concern was for the cameras on Goldfield
[1:08:37] and he's here tonight, and I listened to him, and we listened to him as a department.
[1:08:44] We're moving the cameras on Goldfield because we don't feel that they need to be in the residential areas.
[1:08:50] We want to cover our city that are coming into the city and the main access points of people coming in and out of the city.
[1:08:57] We get thousands and thousands of visitors that come into the city of Apache Junction.
[1:09:02] And when I talk about keeping the city safe and keeping our crime rate continuing to go down,
[1:09:08] it's by using these types of technology.
[1:09:11] And again, we want to hear from people.
[1:09:14] We want to hear what's being said from our residents of Apache Junction.
[1:09:19] I like that picture about as much as Commander Yordos, but it is what it is.
[1:09:25] I can't change that face.
[1:09:26] So we have since, because of everything that has happened,
[1:09:31] If you go to our website, we have included some videos.
[1:09:35] We talk about how we're using technology, how we use ALPR, and we address actually the
[1:09:42] misuse that was done.
[1:09:44] And again, it's not something, it left the big bruise on our department, and we're something
[1:09:49] that we're trying to rebuild.
[1:09:52] On our website, it talks about what the technology is that we use, how Apache Junction PD uses
[1:09:58] it.
[1:09:58] the F8.
[1:10:00] The frequently asked questions, our policy is on there as well as some of the results and outcomes that we've used.
[1:10:08] This data that we hold is held only by the Apache Junction Police Department. It is our data. We do not share it with anybody outside of the state of Arizona. We share it with 60 other law enforcement agencies, local, state and county in Arizona. We don't share outside. We don't share with federal authorities.
[1:10:29] These, this data is scrubbed after 30 days, and we,
[1:10:36] for us, we know,
[1:10:40] find it, actually, I'll come back to that.
[1:10:44] We know that that's part of the question is, who owns this data?
[1:10:48] In our contract, it does say that we own the data that we take from these cameras.
[1:10:55] There's also a Senate bill that will take place on September 12th, Senate Bill 1552,
[1:11:00] that states that on September 12th any ALPR camera, any data that is taken from those cameras throughout the state of Arizona will not be able to be sold by any tech company, any technology database at all.
[1:11:17] So that will be an Arizona state law. When we talk also about the future of ALPR, one of my roles also is I'm the president of the Arizona Chiefs Association.
[1:11:26] So I work with Chiefs from all over the state of Arizona, we work on legislation, and we look to see what we need to do.
[1:11:34] This last year, we did try to make it a crime if somebody misuses us.
[1:11:39] We're going to push that again this next year.
[1:11:41] We know that this technology comes great responsibility.
[1:11:45] It is our job and our duty to make sure we're doing everything possible to put guard rails in so it's not misused.
[1:11:52] It is a technology I stand by, it's a technology that I know is keeping the city of Apache Junction safe and it's something that I know will continue to do so and I would be foolish to say that a misuse will never happen again, but I'm confident that the likelihood of that happening will not happen while I'm here.
[1:12:11] I thank you for this, I'm going to turn this over to our legal, our city attorney on some legal opinion because there has been questions raised whether this technology is constitutional or not, and I'll turn that over to Joel Stern.
[1:12:28] Thank you, Chief Mayor and City Council.
[1:12:33] In 2023, this technology was brought to the city, the Chief did a wonderful job bringing that based on his experience in Tempe and other cities.
[1:12:43] We looked at the illegality, we had it public hearing about it, we looked at the contracts and it was basically not illegal.
[1:12:56] The question is, do you have to have a warrant, does law enforcement have to have a warrant to check everybody's license plate and do it the way the mayor in which flock is doing it?
[1:13:07] The answer is no.
[1:13:09] I've researched this myself personally.
[1:13:13] Other city attorneys have come to the same conclusion.
[1:13:17] And at the request of the council, I did provide approximately 20 cases to talk about
[1:13:22] whether a person has a reasonable expectation of privacy in public when they're driving their car
[1:13:29] and over their license plate.
[1:13:31] And the answer is they do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy.
[1:13:35] It's in plain view, anybody could see their license plate.
[1:13:39] And that basically, if you look at the cases, that's what the case is talking about.
[1:13:45] Now, people talk about, well, you know, you have to get a cell phone, for a cell phone,
[1:13:50] what a suspect has a cell phone.
[1:13:53] And you have to get a warrant for that.
[1:13:54] You absolutely do.
[1:13:56] And I have some other cases that I didn't put in here because I didn't want to confuse
[1:13:59] the public on what is illegal versus what is not legal.
[1:14:02] There is a GPS device where that's attached to a car.
[1:14:07] You need a warrant for that.
[1:14:08] You absolutely do.
[1:14:09] You did in 2012 and you still do today.
[1:14:12] That's a Supreme Court ruling on US versus Jones.
[1:14:16] There is the cell site location information called CSLI.
[1:14:22] Once again, a Supreme Court decided, and that's carpenter
[1:14:27] versus United States, that you, in order to check someone's cell phone to see if you were,
[1:14:35] say you're a bank robber and you had a cell phone. That's what happened in a whole bunch
[1:14:38] of these cases. And they did have a warrant. It's legal. If you don't have a warrant, you
[1:14:45] can't check someone's cell phone. Now, there's some exceptions, a consent, but those bad
[1:14:51] guys don't consent. However, the police department needs a warrant to check people's cell phones.
[1:14:58] Cell phone is like it's part of the phone, it's like it's part of the phone, it's part of the phone.
[1:15:00] Part of them, they're moving constantly. That cell phone sends out signals from a tower and the tower gets back to the cell phone. And it tells you, tells the police where that person is. And sometimes depending on the strength of the cell tower, it could be three to five times a minute. That there's pings that go back to that cell phone. That's quite different when you have these cameras. AJ has, I think, 30 cameras. Some of these cases that I have
[1:15:31] There's these larger cities where there's a well over 100 cameras.
[1:15:35] Some I think one had 188 cameras in Norfolk, and yes, that was legal to have those cameras
[1:15:41] even in that many.
[1:15:43] And did it track the car?
[1:15:45] It did, to a certain degree, but not every single second.
[1:15:48] In the cell phone cases, that is much more tracked, and that's why you need a warrant.
[1:15:57] Geofent cell phone also to track to see that involved, that's a Supreme Court case,
[1:16:02] Chattory versus the United States. It's very recent June 29th, 26th. That involved
[1:16:07] robberies. Some people had cell phones and they tracked them and they had, they did have a warrant
[1:16:14] in that case. There were three levels of getting into the information and that was the only problem with that case.
[1:16:20] So, the answer is, you don't need a warrant to do the ALPR process or system.
[1:16:30] Now, will that change someday?
[1:16:32] It depends on the Supreme Court, it depends on other circuits, but right now, it is completely legal.
[1:16:40] And I applaud the chief for bringing this technology to the city where we have save lives.
[1:16:44] Yes.
[1:16:45] Fair.
[1:16:46] Real quick.
[1:16:47] Did the Supreme Court rule on that?
[1:16:50] Uh, the Supreme Court has that rule on that exact issue, but there are, there are,
[1:16:54] there are cases that have led up to that, uh, where there's some circuits.
[1:17:00] But they do.
[1:17:01] Other circuits did, yes.
[1:17:03] And I've got about 20 cases here from different, uh, courts.
[1:17:06] Right.
[1:17:07] Nine circuits, but we're on there, correct?
[1:17:09] Yes.
[1:17:09] They did rule on it.
[1:17:11] They said it was not illegal, correct?
[1:17:13] Yes.
[1:17:13] So,
[1:17:17] thank you, Mr. Stern, just in closing before we go into questions, I, you know, we are an organization that prides
[1:17:26] ourself in this community. We love the city of Apache Junction. My daughter works at Walmart. I go to Walmart all the time here.
[1:17:37] I'm in this community. We want to do what's right for the city of Apache Junction.
[1:17:43] We appreciate everyone that's here tonight.
[1:17:46] When I walked in, sorry, everybody in red, I thought it was because they supported the fire department, but it's here for something else.
[1:17:53] And I appreciate that.
[1:17:54] I bring, try to bring a little humor because I want this to be a good discussion.
[1:17:58] I want to hear from the men and women that are here that have taken time out of their busy day and
[1:18:05] to speak and to share with us.
[1:18:08] I think we can learn from that.
[1:18:09] But in closing, I want to just say that this community deserves the best policing possible.
[1:18:16] It is a community that has been overlooked often.
[1:18:20] It is a community that has not had the best service sometimes.
[1:18:24] We're trying to do that, we're trying to change that.
[1:18:27] When I sit across the table from victims of crime, it sticks with me.
[1:18:33] And there are certain cases that we have not been able to solve to this day because we did
[1:18:39] not have the technology that we have at our hands today.
[1:18:43] And those are specific cases that I remember
[1:18:46] from when I was in Tempe.
[1:18:48] And one of them was the victim we found out here,
[1:18:51] Adrian Salinas, and her body was out here about eight
[1:18:55] or nine years ago.
[1:18:56] And to this day, it's still unsolved.
[1:18:58] The reason I put a camera on lost Dutchman and Meridian
[1:19:02] is because had we had a camera there,
[1:19:04] we would have caught the individual that took her and killed her.
[1:19:08] I'm confident of that and I'm here to answer any questions and I will be as honest and open and transparent as possible.
[1:19:16] Anyone
[1:19:19] have any questions?
[1:19:25] Go ahead.
[1:19:27] Chief, you're guidelines that you have changed to for flock.
[1:19:33] One of the ones that concerns me a little bit is the 30-day retention before they get scrubbed.
[1:19:39] Now, realistically, every day I pass a camera that 30 days gets reset, doesn't it not?
[1:19:47] I mean, if I pass it September 1st, September 1st gets scrubbed October 1st, but September 2nd,
[1:19:55] October 2nd, so on and so forth, so it's never really being scrubbed.
[1:19:59] Um.
[1:20:00] If this body makes a decision on the fate of the cameras, is there any sort of, I like to see, like, seven days. Is this something that could be achieved? Yes, it could be. And again, as a body of law enforcement in Arizona, and I speak with chiefs from all over the state of Arizona. There are some cities that are saying they don't want these cameras at all, and the chiefs are
[1:20:30] are bending to those and going away from them.
[1:20:35] Like I said, many are going to other cameras,
[1:20:37] but one of the things that we discuss is retention.
[1:20:40] And right now there is no set guidelines,
[1:20:44] but what we've agreed on that we've seen in cases
[1:20:46] that have helped us to solve cases is 30 days.
[1:20:50] The reason is because sometimes if you go away on vacation,
[1:20:54] you come back and you may see your house has been broken
[1:20:56] into or your business has been vandalized
[1:20:59] or whatever it may be, sometimes there is delay in reporting, and we believe that at 30
[1:21:05] days is going to be the time that is best to keep.
[1:21:09] Once that data is gone, it is gone.
[1:21:11] We cannot retrieve it.
[1:21:12] We can't get a warrant.
[1:21:13] We can't get engineers to bring it back.
[1:21:15] It is completely gone.
[1:21:18] At some point, if the decision is made for seven days, at least we still have the cameras.
[1:21:26] So another question. So could you tell me the so Tempe said no more? Correct. And what are the other cities that say no more?
[1:21:35] Right now it's surprised, carefree, and chamber. So there's four all together so far. Correct. So now if they don't have the system that kind of defeats the purpose of the system other places, right?
[1:21:51] because then you won't be able to work with Tempe or you won't be able to work with Surprise.
[1:21:57] You'll only be able to work with the cities and towns that have this camera.
[1:22:03] And the more they filter them out, the less it makes it what it is, correct?
[1:22:11] I mean, other than that, if it comes out to the point where Apache Jones says, hey, look,
[1:22:15] we don't mind the technology. We love the idea of protecting our citizens.
[1:22:23] If it's not enough to share with other communities, then what's the real purpose behind
[1:22:29] flocking?
[1:22:30] If the real purpose is to be able to share our information with other cities and towns
[1:22:34] in the valley or in the state of Arizona, do you know what I mean?
[1:22:37] Yes.
[1:22:38] That is a part of it.
[1:22:40] You're right.
[1:22:41] Absolutely right.
[1:22:42] When you share data, it does help across.
[1:22:45] We know criminals in a, that come to Apache Junction, don't just stay in Apache Junction.
[1:22:50] They go to Mace, a good year, surprise, Flagstaff, Yuma, and that's where that becomes
[1:22:55] into place.
[1:22:56] What it does help us is when we have a fatal hit and run accident on Apache Trail, and we
[1:23:02] use our cameras to identify a vehicle that's a suspect in that hit and run.
[1:23:07] So if something happened in TEPP, they still have the ability to put that information in the database that we picked up.
[1:23:17] It's not necessarily the flock database. It's just the state of Arizona's database.
[1:23:23] That is accurate.
[1:23:25] Mayor, yes, a big issue.
[1:23:30] What are the safety protocols you have put in place right now since we did have a violation?
[1:23:35] And I want everybody out there to understand police officers are humans and they can make
[1:23:41] bad decisions.
[1:23:43] Anytime a police officer uses any government equipment for personal use, it is not good
[1:23:50] and they should be dealt with and held accountable.
[1:23:53] Can you please go over what the safety protocols you put in since this happened in AJ?
[1:24:00] Yes.
[1:24:01] Thank you, Councilman Solar.
[1:24:03] We have made several changes.
[1:24:05] One of them is we have taken access away from several of personnel in our department.
[1:24:11] We still have enough personnel that are operational, that at any point we'll have the ability
[1:24:17] to look up vehicles.
[1:24:19] Now it's just not throughout the whole department.
[1:24:21] We also have a, if it's not an active investigation, they have to get supervisory approval.
[1:24:27] And it has to be cleared by a supervisor to run a vehicle through this database.
[1:24:32] We also have begun doing weekly audits, where our support services command is now doing
[1:24:38] weekly audits.
[1:24:39] It's the same command that oversees our internal affairs.
[1:24:42] And we look into anything that may jump out or stand out to us.
[1:24:47] Those are some of the things we did immediately.
[1:24:49] And you're working on a bill to make it a crime.
[1:24:52] We are.
[1:24:53] Yes.
[1:24:53] And it's not just me.
[1:24:54] it is the entire state of Arizona.
[1:24:57] We're working with a few different senators, Arizona.
[1:25:00] The state senators that are going to be looking at bringing legislation, again, this year, to address this issue. Thank you, sir. Thank you.
[1:25:12] Thank
[1:25:17] you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor, members of council. Appreciate it. Okay, I will now open the public hearing. There is a five minute time limit with one minute warning indicated by the yellow light. Please state your name.
[1:25:37] name and address for the record.
[1:25:40] If you're in a group, we would like you to speak, wait, we ask you to pick one representative
[1:25:49] to address the council and please be respectable of each speaker.
[1:25:55] All right, one of the things that I want to emphasize the fact is, you know, we need to allow
[1:26:00] everyone to speak, that wants to speak and be able to say what they wanted to say.
[1:26:06] If you agree or disagree with it, please be silent in the aspect on it.
[1:26:13] We'll accept some claps, but no booing, hissing, or anything along this line.
[1:26:19] We're definitely here as an adult wanting to address an issue and have everyone make comments.
[1:26:26] Hey Mayor, real quick, we're not here against you or for you.
[1:26:31] We're here to have a good discussion, you know.
[1:26:35] I'm not a big brother fan myself, but, you know, we're here to discuss the pros and
[1:26:41] cons.
[1:26:42] You're honor.
[1:26:43] Yes.
[1:26:43] And we want to thank you guys for stowing up the reason why we put this on the agenda tonight
[1:26:48] because we feel that the public has the right to speak their minds and I'm glad we had
[1:26:54] a good turnout.
[1:26:56] Can't wait to hear what you guys have to say.
[1:27:13] I'm not picking on Chief Pooly here but I did talk to him yesterday and I said that one
[1:27:27] of the things I guess that when he did the press conference in the beginning of the
[1:27:30] press conference, he stated that the person, the officer, was doing a welfare check on
[1:27:37] a family member.
[1:27:38] In the middle of the press conference, somebody asked if the family member was and he said
[1:27:42] a wife.
[1:27:44] Actually, it's a process of being a next wife and it was a disagreement or something between
[1:27:51] them that is the reason why he was checking into this person.
[1:27:55] And my understanding is you just said that where you're from that they use this technology
[1:28:05] and they were getting along real well with it, but my understanding is Tempe has shut
[1:28:11] down 30 of their cameras on August 26th.
[1:28:17] De Santos in Florida, he shut down all the cameras on the state highways the governor
[1:28:24] So, across the United States as a whole, 214 cities, towns, or counties have shut down
[1:28:33] their cameras.
[1:28:34] Now, I am opposed to the cameras, yes, I am, because I feel that my privacy, all privacy,
[1:28:45] has been sold, and in return, I'm supposedly getting security.
[1:28:52] And once our privacy is gone, and not going to get it back.
[1:28:59] So I would like the flock cameras take it down until that AI is smart enough where,
[1:29:06] if an amber alert comes in and it's on a white vehicle with BHP as a license plate,
[1:29:11] and that flock is only standard for white vehicles with BHP in the license plate,
[1:29:15] and not taking pictures of every car that's on the road,
[1:29:18] I don't need you to know the date and time I went down certain roads and where the heck
[1:29:24] I was going because there's nobody's business but my own.
[1:29:28] And like I was asked by Chief Booley, what about your cell phone?
[1:29:33] Yes, I do have a cell phone.
[1:29:34] Yes, it does have a tracker.
[1:29:35] And yes, I do have a Faraday bag so I can stick it in there anytime that I want to go someplace
[1:29:40] where it's none of anybody's business where I go.
[1:29:44] And I would also like to give to the city another 95 signatures from people who want the
[1:29:52] It's locked in one day.
[1:30:02] So, um, I
[1:30:09] think that's probably it that I'm going to say, but I'm pretty sure that a lot of other people have something to say about it as well. Thank you for your time.
[1:30:24] Hi, my name is David Day, um, and the county. Merry Christmas. I'm opposed to the flock cameras. You know, the community I came from, one of the reasons I moved here was law enforcement. We have a law enforcement that we can appreciate and we can trust here.
[1:30:44] I have more faith in them yesterday than I do today.
[1:30:50] The flock cameras didn't build trust.
[1:30:52] It took it away.
[1:30:54] You know, it was said that he who sacrifices security for freedom gets neither.
[1:31:03] I don't agree with the flock cameras.
[1:31:08] I think the biggest thing is the people don't agree with them.
[1:31:13] And if you put it out to the majority, the majority of the people are saying that I've seen are saying no, they don't want them and
[1:31:21] Ultimately, it should be their choice. Not anybody else's
[1:31:25] End it there. Good
[1:31:40] evening, Council Mayor
[1:31:42] My name is Dan Whitter and I live here in Apache Junction
[1:31:47] I want to thank everybody for showing up tonight. Are we gonna have a little speech? I'm sorry
[1:31:53] Your dress please
[1:31:56] 4-5-5-0 north-gold drive.
[1:31:58] Thank you.
[1:31:59] You're welcome, Rob.
[1:32:00] Mr. Stern, you mentioned that the nights of your court rule on this, I can't find it.
[1:32:07] I've never seen that.
[1:32:09] So if you give that case, I'm going to look further into the issue.
[1:32:18] APL cameras have done something that almost no other issue has done for decades.
[1:32:24] They brought people from both sides of the aisle together.
[1:32:27] in opposition of one subject.
[1:32:33] I heard that a councilman said that conservatives
[1:32:36] love flock cameras and I'm here to differ with you. I never said that. I spent a
[1:32:42] couple of hours watching the flock contract discussion in May of 22 and a few
[1:32:47] councilmembers who were no longer here briefly touched on the privacy and the
[1:32:51] fourth amendment. You're right. Supreme Court hasn't ruled on it but you're on
[1:32:58] the wrong side of history and the way things are going right now, it's not going to be long.
[1:33:05] You can set guardrails, chief. It's called the Fourth Amendment. Get a warrant. You don't
[1:33:11] need state legislature. You don't need the federal government to do it. You can do that yourself.
[1:33:19] During that May 22 meeting, the mayor mentioned that a woman had called him concerned about
[1:33:28] her being tracked to Wal-Mart and some of you guys laughed but you missed the point. It's
[1:33:36] not about a camera taking a picture of a licensed plate. It's about the system built around
[1:33:41] the camera that tracks you everywhere you go.
[1:33:47] It's not just the Wal-Mart. It's the gun
[1:33:49] stores, the gun ranges, the church, the political events, the doctors. It's building a database
[1:33:55] on you.
[1:33:59] The only person who voted no on that was you. And I appreciate it. I don't quite understand
[1:34:04] why I watched it, but I'm not sure why.
[1:34:09] I was shocked that none of my nobody brought up the
[1:34:12] fourth amendment, nobody brought up privacy issues.
[1:34:20] These cameras are invasive, and the way this
[1:34:22] technology does, it's getting more invasive every day. Another council member said, well, not all
[1:34:28] Constitutionalist. Well, I'm here to tell you you should be because everything you do,
[1:34:32] every law you pass, every law of the state passes, every law of the federal government passes,
[1:34:37] should pass constitutional mustard. Okay? You need to be a constitutionalist first. You can't just be
[1:34:44] a constitutionalist long enough to put your hand on a Bible and swear in and swear to protect the
[1:34:49] Constitution and then say, oh, well, I'm not a constitutionalist anymore. I didn't work that way.
[1:34:57] The Chandler Police Chief, and I'm going to quote him, said,
[1:35:00] Transparency, accountability, and public trust, hallmarks of the High Fluncene Police Department. And I would argue that Apache junctions failing in those areas. Chief, I heard you talk about a couple of these. First of all, look at this room. This doesn't show public trust. This shows public distrust. Transparency. On July 7, 2026, I filed a FOIA request. Requesting search terms, audit loves, copy of the flock contract.
[1:35:28] It took 27 days for Chris Moreno of the patchy junction police department to get back to me and say, well, you can have a contract, but you can't have anything else because we're just not required to give it to you.
[1:35:43] Running out the clock 27 days on data that's only kept 30 days isn't the way to operate a transparent police department.
[1:35:53] It's not. I paid for that contract on August 20th. I still don't have it chief. Accountability,
[1:36:05] your officer violated flock rules according to the chief. The investigation started in
[1:36:08] April and ran into July. The officer was allowed to resign before termination, no criminal
[1:36:12] charges were filed. It should not take three months to investigate something as you can
[1:36:16] pull up auto logs in seconds. This searchable database, you can see what people did immediately
[1:36:21] an interview a few people and close it out. The delay was highly suspicious. Arizona has criminal
[1:36:27] statutes that can apply to these unauthorized use of law enforcement databases. There has
[1:36:32] been no real accountability. Based on all this, we've entered into the error of pre-crime
[1:36:37] and the minority report. Investigations have now turned upside down. They used to work a different
[1:36:43] way. Okay, thank you. That's text now. Thank you.
[1:36:55] Thank you, Mayor. Thank you,
[1:36:56] Vice Mayor, thank you, Council.
[1:36:57] Thank you to everybody here in watching at home.
[1:37:00] I'm Barbie Ingle.
[1:37:01] I live at 4980 North Idaho.
[1:37:03] Sorry, I am like dried.
[1:37:06] And I urge the Council to stop the city's use of flock
[1:37:11] in ALPR surveillance cameras and devices.
[1:37:14] When I say flock, I'm using a brand name
[1:37:16] such as Kleenex to tissue.
[1:37:18] And I am referring to all such devices and the system.
[1:37:22] The system creates a detailed record
[1:37:24] of nearly every vehicle's movement without warrants,
[1:37:27] invading privacy, and raising serious
[1:37:30] for the minimum concerns, such as how far does a patchy
[1:37:35] junction police and government surveillance actually reach?
[1:37:38] How many of those agencies, 60, 100, we've heard different
[1:37:41] numbers, how far is that reaching?
[1:37:45] Who are they?
[1:37:47] They also undermine the due process when the information
[1:37:50] is assessed in non-emergency situations.
[1:37:52] Many of the flock systems be they on the side of the street or in a drone or temporarily in a parking lot or at an event can do much more than just read a plate a typical roadside flock LPR is not just a plate reader.
[1:38:05] It builds in searchable visible profile that the car in logs and where they are and when that car was seen and in general it does not officially name or biometrically identify the driver.
[1:38:21] but the broader flock video audio products and AI components that are coming online now when they
[1:38:29] were not online in 2023. It is the issue now. As those are being updated and brought through,
[1:38:35] that software is layered on top of the cameras network and can be seen and searched much more than
[1:38:42] just a plate number. They affect the first amendment by chilling freedom of speech, assembly,
[1:38:48] and association, people avoid rallies, protests, political meetings, places of worship knowing
[1:38:54] that their travel is locked, sorry, locked and searched or searchable.
[1:39:00] Even their claims claim to benefits such as locating a missing person or responding to a welfare
[1:39:06] check, do not erase the constitutional problem.
[1:39:09] When the government builds a continuous searchable record of nearly every vehicle's movement and
[1:39:15] And then queries that database without a warrant, it is still conducting a search of private
[1:39:20] location information.
[1:39:23] The fact that the outcome is sometimes beneficial does not transform a warrantless search into
[1:39:29] a lawful one.
[1:39:30] Courts have long held that good intentions or successful results do not excuse violations
[1:39:36] of our fourth amendment.
[1:39:38] The same technology that can help find a missing child can equally be used.
[1:39:42] And we've already seen that here in Apache Junction for personal tracking under the guise of a welfare check as the infrastructure of mass surveillance exists and improves with AI, the temptation and the opportunity for misuse are permanent.
[1:39:57] The 14th Amendment also implicates the du-
[1:40:00] The process risks from errors that lead to wrongdoing, wrongful stops and by potential for unequal application across communities. We have actually, we have already seen officer misuse here in Apache Junction as suggested tonight or stated tonight. And it resulted in a resignation, Chandler, Arizona and Tempe and others have also discontinued the use of their systems.
[1:40:28] What exactly is Apache Junction getting in return for this extraordinary level of surveillance?
[1:40:35] Please consider restoring our constitutional protections in public trust by ending the use of this continuous camera surveillance of we, the people.
[1:40:44] The funds that are currently being spent on these systems could instead be used to support the right respecting respectful approaches.
[1:40:55] And that could be hiring additional police officers.
[1:40:59] That could be enhancing training and investigative capabilities.
[1:41:03] That could be strengthening community policing and targeting patrols.
[1:41:09] All of which are tools that put more officers on the streets, give people jobs,
[1:41:14] improve public safety without creating a warrantless record of nearly every resident's movements.
[1:41:22] Thank you for your time.
[1:41:22] And also there is two cases out of Virginia where the judge did rule in favor that it was unconstitutional to the fourth amendment.
[1:41:30] Thank you very much.
[1:41:37] Good evening mayor, vice mayor of council members, staff, community members.
[1:41:42] My name is Pamber Edshaw.
[1:41:44] I'm a resident of Apache Junction.
[1:41:46] I live at 30405 South Tomahawk Road, number 58.
[1:41:51] And I've been there for 30 years.
[1:41:53] I am not a criminal, I am a law-abiding citizen, yet they flock and flock like cameras.
[1:42:01] Take every vehicle that passes.
[1:42:03] Mine included, they are recording location, time, make, model, and more.
[1:42:10] 24-7.
[1:42:12] As technology improves, these privacy outreach devices are updated to see more and more of my daily
[1:42:19] life as well as yours. Anyone with access or who can buy or misuse the system can follow
[1:42:27] where I go. If someone has a grudge they can use that data to harm me or my family.
[1:42:34] There's little real recourse or ability to sue or correct the damage. Once it's done,
[1:42:40] it's done. We already saw this risk here in Apache Junction when an officer used the
[1:42:46] system to track his wife and he resigned before being fired.
[1:42:51] These cameras also watch the vehicles of young children and families.
[1:42:56] Constant tracking creates opportunities for harm that no parent should have to accept.
[1:43:02] Finally, this is mass surveillance by a government agency of innocent people without a warrant that
[1:43:08] goes against the spirit of our Constitution and citizens of the United States.
[1:43:14] We are becoming a communist-like country with facial recognition and more at the fingertips
[1:43:21] of our government and governmental agencies.
[1:43:25] Data collected here can be shared far beyond our city.
[1:43:29] Once it leaves our control, we have no idea who sees it or how it will be used.
[1:43:34] Sites like maps, deflock.org, show just how widespread this network has become.
[1:43:40] from tens of thousands of these cameras nationwide, mostly flock, creating detailed movement,
[1:43:46] records on everyone. I ask you to reject, not to renew, the tracker contracts, and remove
[1:43:53] these cameras from Apache Junction. The Constitution is important to me, and it should be important
[1:43:59] to you. Protect our privacy. And now I'll give you an example. A friend of mine, let's just
[1:44:06] column Jack went to have his oil changed at the normal person that he's always had his oil changed
[1:44:12] at. He was sitting in the in the outer office and 15 minutes into going over his vehicle the
[1:44:21] attended came up and said Jack have you got the new license plate? He says no I've got the same
[1:44:29] license plate I've always had. Guess what? Somebody had switched his license plate. I know that seems
[1:44:35] like a facetious thing. But somebody had done that, had a been a police officer, and this license
[1:44:41] plate been somebody that was a robber, and had the brains, which some of them don't, to go and
[1:44:47] take a license off of a car. And now this person would have been pulled over, had the oil change
[1:44:53] person not found it out for him. It's a possibility. Things like that can happen.
[1:44:58] People aren't
[1:45:00] They aren't stupid anymore. They're always looking for a way out when they're doing bad things. So, please think again about these cameras. I know that's only one and I hope I haven't given anybody the idea to go change the license plate on somebody's car because guess what? It's December 27 instead of October of 26. Thank you.
[1:45:32] Good evening, council. My name is Nathan Taylor Taft. You have my address on the speaker card and I'm the co-director of East Valley Unite.
[1:45:46] So we have members all over the east valley, including many here in Apache Junction.
[1:45:50] I first want to list the Arizona cities that have ended flock.
[1:45:53] They are Sedona, Flagstaff, Sierra Vista, South Tucson, Penal County, Chandler, Surprise, Tempe, and Cave Creek.
[1:45:59] It's not just three cities as the chief seem to imply.
[1:46:01] Arizona is actually the state with the third most flock contract cancellations.
[1:46:05] and two-thirds of Arizona voters with majorities across party lines oppose ALPR use.
[1:46:11] I'm not here today to give an opinion that is anti-police in any way,
[1:46:14] rather I'm conveying concerns shared by many of your constituents
[1:46:17] about the dangers of flock and ALPRs
[1:46:19] and why you should immediately terminate the city's contract with it.
[1:46:22] I want to make clear that it is irresponsible to continue the use of flock cameras,
[1:46:27] especially after one of Apache junctions own officers
[1:46:29] use them to stalk his wife and kids.
[1:46:32] That is morally wrong on every single level
[1:46:34] and claiming that it's fine because an audit uncovered it and the officer resigned as ridiculous
[1:46:38] because it ignores the fact that the issue wasn't prevented, it was enabled by the ALPR system in
[1:46:43] the first place. Blocking other ALPRs are cameras that capture information on every single vehicle
[1:46:48] that passes by, this includes, but is not limited to, a car's license plate, date, time, location,
[1:46:55] make, model, bumper stickers, dense scratches, cargo carriers, anything else that AI can pick up.
[1:47:00] Further, despite what FLOC claims, Wired has found that cameras can track people and can
[1:47:06] identify characteristics such as their race, height, clothing, etc.
[1:47:10] This type of dragnet surveillance is what violates our constitutional rights.
[1:47:14] The ACLU argues that using ALPR systems gives the government unprecedented powers of surveillance
[1:47:19] that upset traditional expectations of privacy and violation of the Fourth Amendment.
[1:47:24] That's the exact reason why the Penal County Sheriff Ross Teeple canceled his contract
[1:47:28] with FLOC.
[1:47:29] They also have a list of cases related, the police department has a list of cases related
[1:47:33] to court saying that there isn't a reasonable expectation of privacy in public, but you
[1:47:37] can't convince us to not believe something right in front of our own eyes.
[1:47:40] With thousands of agencies with access and over 100,000 ALPRs, this is ridiculous.
[1:47:45] This is an example that applies to all ALPRs, not just from Block.
[1:47:48] This includes other companies like Axon, Motorola, Genetic, Leonardo.
[1:47:52] Cities around the country have adopted ALPRs with almost 140,000 reported across the country
[1:47:57] on the crowdsourced deflock map.
[1:48:00] Flock, again, just one ALPR company, scans license plates 20 billion times each month.
[1:48:06] This means ALPR's document millions of cars under the guise of fighting crime without
[1:48:10] a warrant.
[1:48:11] At this scale, this is mass surveillance, and it is not just done without consent, but against
[1:48:15] the will of the people organizing to oppose it.
[1:48:18] The Institute for Justice keeps a database of cases of ALPR misuse.
[1:48:21] There are 190 instances so far, including 50 of stocking and four in the Phoenix Metro area
[1:48:27] that have been discovered just since August 7th.
[1:48:29] Here are some examples of misuse from across the country.
[1:48:32] In Texas, a share of staff beauty used 83,000
[1:48:35] to flock ALPRs to find a woman who received medical care
[1:48:39] at the behest of her abusive partner.
[1:48:42] In Georgia, a police chief tracked his ex-girlfriend
[1:48:44] and her teenage daughter roughly 600 times.
[1:48:47] And then here, in Apache Junction,
[1:48:48] a police officer tracked his wife and children.
[1:48:50] Depending on the company, error rates can be extremely high
[1:48:53] in Roseville, California, and analysis
[1:48:56] by the police department found that in 71 percent of alerts,
[1:49:00] Fox machine learning software incorrectly read the license plates.
[1:49:03] Despite flock claiming that in favorable conditions, 96 percent of license plate
[1:49:07] characters are identified correctly. This has led to numerous wrongful arrests.
[1:49:12] Here are some examples. In Valucía County, Florida, a flock capture led officers
[1:49:16] to misidentify a driver's car as one linked to a fatal accident.
[1:49:19] He spent 13 days in jail before the error was found.
[1:49:22] And sure, with Arkansas, a camera misread a digit on an innocent couple's plate and flagged
[1:49:26] it as stolen, officers ordered the couple out at gunpoint while their six-week-old baby
[1:49:31] remained alone in the backseat.
[1:49:33] In Toledo, Ohio, a camera misread a 7 as a 2, officers detained to drive our gunpoint deployed
[1:49:39] a police dog against him and held him for several hours.
[1:49:42] When the public starts to realize what is being done, LPR companies do everything they can
[1:49:46] to stop contracts from ending and orders to protect their profit margins.
[1:49:49] Block has a whole guide for police departments on how to speak to city councils and the public
[1:49:53] about ALPRs to try and convince them that the technology is useful or good or necessary.
[1:49:58] That guide instructs police to...
[1:50:00] To avoid the topic of mass surveillance entirely because they recognize that they won't be able to convince anyone it's not. I urge the council to immediately terminate its contract with flock, and it's said become a leader in the fight to protect our fourth amendment rights by banning this unnecessary and unwanted technology before more abuse can harm more innocent people. As Benjamin Franklin once said, those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Thank you.
[1:50:26] Good
[1:50:34] evening mayor and council members my name is Kimberly Carroll and I'm
[1:50:38] going to resident on 628-0 East Roundup Street and a small business owner here
[1:50:44] in Apache Junction. I'm here about the 30-flock license plate reader
[1:50:48] cameras on our streets and I'm asking you to end the program not just to review it.
[1:50:53] We already know it's been misused officer Joshua McDaniel used our
[1:50:57] flock cameras to track down his own wife he resigned that's not a hypothetical risk
[1:51:01] it already happened in the city with our data.
[1:51:06] We're not alone in facing this in this last month to be cut off outside access to its
[1:51:10] flock database.
[1:51:12] Chandler ended its contract after an audit flagged unexplained activity.
[1:51:16] Surprise canceled its contract.
[1:51:19] The Penhell County Sheriff walked away over 4th-minute concerns.
[1:51:22] The Attorney General has opened a statewide review.
[1:51:26] These cameras don't just catch a plate.
[1:51:28] They build a digital footprint of a vehicle, where it goes, how often, what's nearby,
[1:51:35] across 30 cameras moving around our city, that's a record of our neighbor's daily movements,
[1:51:39] doctor visits, churches, custody exchanges, protest, et cetera.
[1:51:44] And this isn't just a policy question, it's a constitutional one.
[1:51:48] And it's not settled law.
[1:51:50] In Carpenter, verse United States is a Supreme Court rule that even though any single trip
[1:51:55] you take in public is visible to anyone, the government can't assemble the whole of a person's
[1:52:01] part. No court has struck down a network like ours yet, and I want to be honest about that.
[1:52:07] But this year's Supreme Court ruling in the geofencing location,
[1:52:11] Daddy, is already fueling a live appeal, challenging flocks, own cameras in Norfolk, Virginia.
[1:52:17] This question is being actively fought over in courts right now. Apache Junction doesn't need to wait
[1:52:22] for its own lawsuit to find out what way it lands.
[1:52:26] Our department says, Supervisory Appeal is now required
[1:52:29] for outside case searches.
[1:52:30] I don't doubt that's genuine, but that safeguard was written
[1:52:34] after the misuse, not before it.
[1:52:37] And I want to flag something else.
[1:52:38] This isn't just flock problem.
[1:52:40] Cities that drop flocked elsewhere have simply
[1:52:42] switched to companies like Axon,
[1:52:44] which now sells its own poll, camera,
[1:52:47] and a street light retrofield built to do the same job
[1:52:49] under a different name.
[1:52:51] A camera then installs into existing street lights infrastructure in under an hour doesn't
[1:52:56] need a visible poll or a public bid, which makes it easier to expand without residents
[1:53:02] even knowing.
[1:53:04] That's also, there's also a cybersecurity problem here that has nothing to do with our
[1:53:08] policy at all.
[1:53:09] In January of this year, Flaw confirmed that some of its camera feeds were exposed to the
[1:53:13] open internet.
[1:53:15] Outside, outsiders could watch live videos, scroll through a month or a month of archive
[1:53:20] footage and even deleted. Independently security researchers have documented other
[1:53:26] weaknesses too, like unencrypted data and exposed administrative logins, serious enough
[1:53:31] that two US senators formally asked the FTC to investigate. Floch says those issues were
[1:53:36] isolated and fixed, maybe so. But that means the safety of our resident's movement data doesn't
[1:53:42] just depend on our own department's policy. It depends on a private, private vendor server
[1:53:48] are saying secure indefinitely against everyone
[1:53:51] from board teenagers to foreign intelligence services.
[1:53:55] So I ask tonight is two things.
[1:53:57] And the flock contract completely
[1:53:59] and commit publicly that Apache Junction
[1:54:01] will not quietly replace it with license plate readers,
[1:54:04] facial recognition or any other surveillance hardware
[1:54:06] hidden in streetlights or city infrastructure.
[1:54:09] From axon or anyone else,
[1:54:11] any future surveillance proposal should come to this council
[1:54:14] and the public and open as its own agenda item.
[1:54:17] Our safety does not require surrendering a permanent record of where every one of us drives
[1:54:22] and lives, every day to a private company and a database we can't see into, no matter whose
[1:54:27] name is on the phone.
[1:54:28] Thank you.
[1:54:37] My name is Rodney Martin.
[1:54:38] I live at 1665 south of Meridian Road here at Apache Junction.
[1:54:43] She pully, I wore blue and red because I support you.
[1:54:48] I think that I have the utmost confidence in our police department here.
[1:54:51] We just have a good faith on this difference of opinion on this matter and
[1:54:56] Regardless of what happens I like to work with you and come up with some
[1:55:04] So, with that said, I'd like to address, I've seen comments online where this argument has gotten conflated to, if you're against flock, you don't support the police. I worked 35 years with law enforcement in a prior life. I was a judge and I worked with the Bureau of Indian Affairs Police. Member of the Latino Police Office Association, and I have known three officers, two personal friends of mine that gave their lives in the line of duty.
[1:55:29] So, anybody that says my opposition to flock means I don't support the police, I beg to
[1:55:34] differ with them.
[1:55:36] I'm not going to belabor the issue, I'm not going to sit up here and demand that you
[1:55:40] cancel anything.
[1:55:41] I want to give you some plain language information you can do with it as you will.
[1:55:47] I looked at these cases, I must say my good friend Richard here, we've got to go to lunch
[1:55:52] and talk about these.
[1:55:53] I'm not sure all these are on point, especially the 1967 case.
[1:55:57] What in a lot of these cases omit is the AI technology and the tracking.
[1:56:03] Sure, your license plates for a game.
[1:56:05] Your fair game in public.
[1:56:06] Anybody can take a picture.
[1:56:08] I don't like it.
[1:56:09] Some stranger comes in and takes a picture or the cop points of radar are going at me when I'm going five over
[1:56:14] and I've sweating bullets that he doesn't pull me over.
[1:56:16] And I asked the number of police officers out here if they're going to take pictures of my license plate
[1:56:21] and they said, only if I'm going down the street.
[1:56:23] So I have their assurance.
[1:56:24] But what's gone missing in this is courts are generally behind technology and that's what we're at right now.
[1:56:35] Sure, there's been ancillary cases that have touched on this. They've made clear decisions on phones.
[1:56:40] There's a recent case that says Google Maps clearly requires a warrant which is a tracking situation.
[1:56:47] But the tracking situation compounded with the AI does not reach the high court.
[1:56:55] There are cases in Ohio and Virginia and Oregon, I believe, that are working their way
[1:57:00] up.
[1:57:01] There's a reason why all those municipalities in the state of Arizona have canceled this
[1:57:06] technology.
[1:57:08] I might add, isn't it wise just to err on the side of civil liberties instead of a cheesy
[1:57:17] company, tech company that's making millions to usurp civil liberties.
[1:57:24] I mean, it just seems a little cheesy for our public representatives who represent us
[1:57:30] to say, well, let's not dirty our hands, let's get a private tech company that's making
[1:57:35] billions off the data.
[1:57:38] And don't kid yourself, they have that data, there's a reason why Tempe canceled it, then probably
[1:57:42] went over and put covers over those cameras because they're still recording data and that's
[1:57:47] going to flock. I mean, you can read the articles and I would encourage you to Google, and
[1:57:53] this is, I'm going to go there and I'm going to say them comfortable. And I apologize to
[1:57:57] you fully, but, you know, as well as I do, there is the human element in every agency, whether
[1:58:03] they're soldiers and the military, from where me and my family come from, and the mayor comes from
[1:58:08] to police officers and fire. There is the human element to do things that they shouldn't do
[1:58:17] And Flock, Mayor and Council, is more than a good cop should be tempted with, and it's
[1:58:24] a heck of a lot more than a bad cop should have at his disposal.
[1:58:28] I encourage you to go and Google Officer Abuse's Flock and look at this.
[1:58:35] In one case, one investigation in a one officer netted 19 individuals that abused Flock in
[1:58:41] one case, one case netted 19.
[1:58:45] And then I also want you to Google, I mean to say suggestion, Google persons who were
[1:58:52] misidentified by flock, you will find a lady who an officer drove across into the
[1:58:57] adjacent jurisdiction and read her the riot act and issued her a summons for stealing
[1:59:01] a package saying her car was positively identified by flock.
[1:59:05] Problem was, wasn't her, wasn't her car.
[1:59:07] another lady in Virginia spent 17 days in lockup. Turns out it wasn't her. Wasn't her car. Oops. How do you
[1:59:16] give her her 17 days back of freedom? You can't all based on AI technology. Now, those are
[1:59:23] resulting in lawsuits against the municipalities. Who pays for that? Not the AI company, heaven forbid.
[1:59:31] not the officer that relied on it. No, the tax payers. The tax payers should not have to pay for this.
[1:59:40] Finally, thank you. Thank you.
[1:59:51] My name is Sean Riley. I live at 1-2-09 South Cactus Road. Thank you for letting me opportunity to speak tonight.
[1:59:58] See you next time.
[2:00:00] Mr. Mayor, council. I hope to make few good points. Not a public speaker, so I apologize. My thoughts are many and jumbled. I will do my best. A lot of people are touching on a topic, but nobody's really saying it. Government tyranny. You know, a lot of people are referencing the Fourth Amendment. But what this does, we don't need GPS, because every one of these cameras has its own point. We know where this camera is. It has its own GPS coordinate.
[2:00:28] that. We saw it on the video. As these cameras, we need to plug in a license plate, and
[2:00:35] it gives you every position this car has been. We don't need GPS signal in the car, we've
[2:00:39] got it on these cameras, so we watch where that car went. I go outside, I expect everybody's
[2:00:44] going to see me, but I don't expect that a profile is being built around me. And the reason
[2:00:49] this is important is because we're creating a shifting baseline. Yes, now we have the cameras,
[2:00:54] We don't look at people's faces, but how long until we've accepted the cameras and now we're looking at who's in the car because we're shifting that baseline and it's important because as we move and we have this flawed technology and I'll touch based on the man and the woman and Sherwood Arkansas that we're pulled out at gunpoint because it read the license plate on why the officers didn't run the plate in the vehicle description. I can't tell you we're all human.
[2:01:23] The officer in Haines, Haines City PD, Christopher Goods, 700 times he used this to stock
[2:01:32] his ex-wife.
[2:01:33] You know, we're going to, and again, here we go to my apologize, my thoughts are jumbled.
[2:01:40] But he's got access to it, you know, because he's part of this government who can use it,
[2:01:45] however they choose to use it.
[2:01:46] And if they decide that we are not part of what they accept, you know, we are not doing
[2:01:52] anything wrong, so we don't have to worry about it.
[2:01:56] Well, when do we have to worry about when they change what wrong is?
[2:02:00] In 2022, the FBI declared a group that I was part of, a terrorist organization, low
[2:02:07] history of violence.
[2:02:08] It's called American contingency, it's zero history of violence.
[2:02:12] We didn't even organize in rally, but we were a dissenting group.
[2:02:15] It was labeled a terrorist organization.
[2:02:18] That changes so many different things as to what I'm subject to.
[2:02:22] So where do we draw the line?
[2:02:24] Now we have this technology that's out
[2:02:26] and on a daily basis, creating a profile.
[2:02:29] There's a case in Washington and it's not gonna stay low.
[2:02:32] It's going up the courts right now as we speak.
[2:02:35] The data from these slot cameras is required now at that state level
[2:02:41] to be saved past that 30 days.
[2:02:44] they're required to save it off onto different hard drives because of the freedom of information
[2:02:49] that. So when does that change? So where does that go? I mean, there's so many different opportunities
[2:02:55] for this to be used against the people and not for the people. And all we have is a government says,
[2:03:03] yeah, we're going to go ahead and check ourselves and make sure that we're doing it okay.
[2:03:06] There's nothing there for the people to stop it. So I've got it. Thank you.
[2:03:11] Thank
[2:03:18] you for this time today.
[2:03:20] Appreciate you guys listening to this.
[2:03:22] Not a speaker, nervous hell.
[2:03:24] I moved here in 1973.
[2:03:27] I lived here until 83.
[2:03:28] I went to a six-vision junior high
[2:03:30] and the high school graduated there.
[2:03:32] Moved back six years ago.
[2:03:35] I dealt with crime in this city back then.
[2:03:39] Biker gang.
[2:03:39] I lived at the base of the mountain up here at Bulldog
[2:03:43] and Biker gang rape, suicide.
[2:03:45] side, the camera would not have done one thing for that.
[2:03:49] They were on instantaneous decisions that were made by people.
[2:03:52] It wouldn't have helped at all.
[2:03:54] So I have a very strong opinion about being tracked.
[2:04:00] There was two shares back then.
[2:04:02] One was a Bozill.
[2:04:03] I went to high school with him and his son.
[2:04:06] And if it wasn't for him, I don't know what I would have done.
[2:04:09] So give your name and address.
[2:04:10] Oh, I'm sorry, Rick Adair, 1480 North Mountain View Road.
[2:04:14] I apologize about that.
[2:04:19] I still have a lot of concerns that who has access to this data.
[2:04:23] I know we've heard a lot from people today that have questioned that.
[2:04:27] So I won't go into it any further, but it is concerning.
[2:04:31] 2020 in COVID, there was lockdowns and people were being arrested for going to church
[2:04:35] and parks and skate parks and so forth.
[2:04:39] This is fine as the rules stand today.
[2:04:41] But what if they change the rules on us then what happens you know, then then where does this go?
[2:04:47] Is it that data going to be used against us if we go to church if we go to a park if we you know
[2:04:52] It's just the rules that are applied today. Those rules will change at any time. So it's just my opinion
[2:04:58] human error
[2:05:00] Not to knock anybody here in this room, but there's human air. I mean, we've all do it all the time. You type in the wrong number, somebody's arrested, somebody's pulled over for no reason, but they got to prove themselves innocent. That's not how this country works.
[2:05:17] Drones, by the way, I just want to touch on that real quick. I don't disagree with the Drones information you gave. What I mean, don't understand, though, is when I went to the park here at Lost Dutchman's park.
[2:05:29] work for the, I think it was called the blues and blues. There was a drone flying the
[2:05:36] whole time. So I understand safety and I understand wanting to be concerned about keeping our
[2:05:42] public safe, but is that really what we want? And what are they looking for? And I don't
[2:05:47] know. It might be all up and up, but it was just something that triggered me as an individual
[2:05:52] go, you know, what is this? So, this might get a little off the rails a little bit, but
[2:05:59] Hunger Games movie. I watched it with my son when he was younger, and the one thing that
[2:06:06] I reflect on is there was cameras everywhere, and it was a game. It was being played, and
[2:06:11] we're being tracked, and I just can't get that out of my image of my mind and my mind
[2:06:17] an image of what's going on today, so just makes you question things.
[2:06:22] I believe a contract was signed, it was without the vote of the people or our wishes
[2:06:29] and I don't know what's behind it, but I believe that it's something that if you can't get
[2:06:35] out of, at least be honest with us and tell us what that is, but I just got a lot of questions
[2:06:41] around the contract and why it wasn't presented to the people first.
[2:06:46] Fourth amendment has been brought up a bunch of times, so I won't bring that up again.
[2:06:50] And then again, the money that I think could be used instead of these camera systems in
[2:06:55] this contract could fix our roadways around here, so that's all I had to say, but I appreciate
[2:06:59] this time.
[2:07:07] Good evening.
[2:07:07] My name is Marissa.
[2:07:09] I live at 927 East Granada.
[2:07:11] I just have a few questions to run by stuff that I've been hearing, stuff that I've heard
[2:07:15] people whispering about. Also stuff that I know being my age, seeing all over social media,
[2:07:22] questions, people have just a kind of clear up some information. If this is something
[2:07:27] that the city continues, who's to say when flock or whoever can change the parameters?
[2:07:33] You have someone who is high in IT and can easily go in through that firewall or safety or whatever
[2:07:41] security that is that the lady was showing us in the video from the police
[2:07:45] department.
[2:07:47] There's people who are worried about insurance purposes as far as
[2:07:51] tracking. Let's say you have a kid who's in college and your kid is under your
[2:07:56] insurance plan. Well, your kid doesn't live with you. Your kid goes to college. So
[2:08:00] who's to say that at some point in time your insurance company now has track of oh
[2:08:05] this is a license plate associated with that car. We're not going to ensure that
[2:08:09] car anymore. We're not going to say anything. Then you have a whole insurance fraud of someone
[2:08:13] not being insured, causing an accident. Who knows?
[2:08:21] Why aren't the other cities using them?
[2:08:23] I feel like that's a big question to ask. Specifically the cities that are large, that are growing,
[2:08:30] surprise. Also another weird thing to point out, a gentleman said flagstaff, stuff like
[2:08:34] that, Sedona, areas or Apache Junction is primarily red. We have very little blue in this town.
[2:08:42] It's kind of weird how they're all blue cities and you know we're all I wouldn't say sanctuary
[2:08:47] cities but all want to be for everything that is going on right now that is just crazy. That's kind of
[2:08:55] odd too.
[2:08:58] Will it change from just license plates to go to bumper stickers to go to looking through
[2:09:04] the car, better cameras, block doesn't have to say anything about that, they can just
[2:09:08] the CEO already come out and said, hey, these are all the different parameters we can use
[2:09:13] it for just because you buy the physical camera, doesn't mean that we can't install some
[2:09:17] software update that now allows it to read how fast you were going or where you were going
[2:09:22] or if you're even from that state or if your license plate had been switched and it's the
[2:09:27] same stickers but it's a different license plate.
[2:09:29] stuff like that.
[2:09:33] There's also a lady said earlier about axon that is headquarters here
[2:09:38] in Scottsdale. Address is 1,000 or 17,800 North 85th Street in Scottsdale and it is one
[2:09:45] of the biggest, if not the biggest, supplier of body cameras also worn by police officers located
[2:09:50] here in Arizona.
[2:09:54] Another issue is what if a police officer gets a call in and someone says
[2:09:58] as a description about a license plate or a car.
[2:10:00] It's invalid, it's a wrong number, it's a wrong color, it's a wrong make. Now you have a car that's in the database that has a different license plate, or a different color, or completely different car altogether, and they're being tracked, and it could be someone that, like the lady that was, thank God she had her own dash cam to prove that it wasn't her that committed that crime out in another state.
[2:10:23] Also, swatting is a big thing as well. If someone gets access into that again, touching back to the IT aspect,
[2:10:29] like how easy would it be for someone to say, you know, call AJPD, this car, this person
[2:10:35] driving a black highlander, what this license plate is, you know, I just saw them leave
[2:10:40] a circle K with a gun and there's nothing to shoot people.
[2:10:43] And that person isn't even, you know, it's just going on their normal day-to-day life
[2:10:48] or maybe they've gotten disagreement about something.
[2:10:51] And a few more things I want to touch on real fast.
[2:10:55] Arizona also has verimobility, also known as American Traffic Solutions, which is the largest
[2:11:01] licensed infraction company, and it is also headquartered here in Mesa, and that supplies
[2:11:07] most of the Valley's red light and speed cameras.
[2:11:11] So just a few things to think about.
[2:11:21] Thank you, Council.
[2:11:23] Brian Kane.
[2:11:25] Brian Kane.
[2:11:26] one nine one eight south star dust drive just a couple of things if your logic is
[2:11:34] telling you that because there's a fatality and run accident in our city it's
[2:11:41] okay to surveil me and thousands of other law-abiding citizens how long before
[2:11:47] your logic tells you that because somebody commits a heinous crime with a firearm
[2:11:51] that you're gonna come after our guns another thing I wanted to point out is
[2:11:58] is regardless of what you think about the database
[2:12:01] and how secure it is, before I retired,
[2:12:04] the fire department that I used to work for,
[2:12:06] which had every security and firewall conceivable
[2:12:12] was hacked by a foreign entity to the tune of $100,000.
[2:12:16] So nothing is safe.
[2:12:18] And I'm afraid that the tracking of my vehicle
[2:12:22] in the collection of my data is going to go out there in the ether world and that scares me.
[2:12:44] There was something else I wanted to bring up but I'll let that go. Maybe I could meet with
[2:12:49] cheap pulley on mixed coffee with coffee. Thank you.
[2:12:59] Hello, my name is Brooklyn Breake and I live at
[2:13:01] 1022 West Escondito Court. Just a couple of things. I'll keep it quick. I was listening to the chief
[2:13:07] speak, and the risk that we're taking with this technology is quite large. This is going
[2:13:14] to take a lot of trust, trust for us in the police department, but it's not to be abused.
[2:13:19] And I know that the chief will do his best to prevent that, but there's only so much he
[2:13:24] can do to stop future abuse. And also we're going to have to really trust the flock as a company,
[2:13:32] because I know that we're going to be signing contracts or the chief will be signing maybe
[2:13:36] a contract with them, but we've seen a lot of large companies, Facebook, all these other
[2:13:40] companies do things illegal, break contracts, and just get fine slaps on the wrist, and
[2:13:46] this is a large risk to be taking with such a large company.
[2:13:52] We have to really trust them that they're not going to be breaking the rules here.
[2:13:55] And one last thing is that I do know that the city attorney said that right now, this
[2:14:02] This is not technically illegal, but the phone's tracking the phone's are illegal because
[2:14:06] it's tracking every step that you're taking, but at some point it's just going to turn
[2:14:11] into semantics because how many flat cameras have to be so close to one another before you're
[2:14:15] tracking every move that I make.
[2:14:18] From when I leave my house, a mile up the road, a mile up the road, a mile up the road
[2:14:22] from there.
[2:14:23] So this might be illegal soon, but yes, thank you.
[2:14:35] Catherine Meek, 1327, South Vellar Road. I feel like this is what kind of dealing with
[2:14:40] the canary and a coal mine here because I've got a Fitbit, I've got my cellphone, I surf
[2:14:46] the internet, I'm on Facebook, all this stuff is tracking us. I go to Safeway and want
[2:14:51] to get the specials. Safeway knows everything I do now, so it is fries. I want to special
[2:14:57] and then local rest.
[2:15:00] They know what I like to eat now. And with AI coming in, it's all tracked and becoming more centrally tracked. I think people are finally waking up to the fact that, yeah, we have no privacy and between AI and the domestic and international threats out there, nothing is secure. My medical history has been hacked every hospital I've been to, so I get basically at least one letter a month
[2:15:29] telling me about my medical information is insecure. She thinks.
[2:15:37] I don't know
[2:15:37] what the answer is to this. I have I had family members with dementia. I would
[2:15:42] have loved to be able to track them down. I'd love to make sure we catch all the
[2:15:46] kids. But at some point I know pushbacks get to happen. It's a matter of how
[2:15:52] much we're willing to accept for what we do. Thank you.
[2:16:02] Hello, my name is Heather Gerson. I'm at 1130 Southwick-Yup Road and thank you, Mr. Chair and Council members, for allowing me to speak this evening.
[2:16:13] My name is Heather Gerson, like I said, a resident of Apache Junction. This discussion focuses on the ALPR policy.
[2:16:20] Today I carry with me a petition with 61 signatures, 10 from Apache Junction and a remainder from cities throughout Arizona, who oppose the ALPR policy.
[2:16:30] The number of signatures are growing in strength.
[2:16:33] Let me share a bit with you regarding flock cameras that have a significant error rate
[2:16:39] including this reading license plates.
[2:16:43] Misidentifications have led to wrongful stops, detentions, and other serious consequences
[2:16:48] for residents.
[2:16:50] In addition, 1% of vehicles scanned by flock are ever connected to any crime or wrongdoing.
[2:16:55] The fact is, the majority of the data collected is unnecessary surveillance of law-abiding citizens.
[2:17:02] Even though the cameras captured license plates and not faces, the data can reveal sensitive
[2:17:10] personal information, including places you frequent, social interactions, and patterns
[2:17:16] of life.
[2:17:17] In Apache Junction, an officer used flocked cameras to track his spouse prompting resignations
[2:17:22] and policy changes.
[2:17:23] ALPR cameras constantly track log and store the movements of every vehicle, creating a detailed
[2:17:30] digital record of residents' locations, affiliations, social interactions, and daily routines.
[2:17:38] Legally, ALPR data collection raises concerns under the Fourth Amendment, which protects against
[2:17:43] unreasonable searches and seizures.
[2:17:46] Tempe and Penal County have canceled contracts with flock due to potential Fourth Amendment
[2:17:51] violations.
[2:17:51] data generated by these systems can be vulnerable and this used both by law enforcement and potentially by hackers if not properly secured.
[2:18:01] The Arizona cities that have denied the ALPR contract, Chandler ended contract after an audit found unexplained system activity,
[2:18:10] Surprise cancelled contract after an officer was found to have potentially misuse the system.
[2:18:15] For now, County Sheriff Ross Heaple announced non-renewal over Fourth Amendment and privacy concerns.
[2:18:22] Tempe shut off all 33 ALPR cameras and cancelled contract citing privacy and misuse concerns.
[2:18:29] Kay Creek ended block contract alongside Tempe and other jurisdictions.
[2:18:35] Flagstaff, unanimous council vote to terminate after citizen petition and privacy legal concerns.
[2:18:42] Sedona cancelled contract amid public backlash over privacy and data sharing issues,
[2:18:48] and South Tucson ended or declined to renew the contract.
[2:18:52] As you may agree, people including myself are concerned about the lack of privacy,
[2:18:57] legal and safety issues that are prominent in the use of ALPR cameras.
[2:19:01] I'm going to step up to the plate and state we all want transparency, not politics, as we
[2:19:08] are more alike than the subtle differences portrayed in daily life.
[2:19:12] In summary, we respectfully encourage your consideration of removing all ALPR cameras
[2:19:18] and to cancel all contracts pertaining to the ALPR invasion of our rights now and in the
[2:19:24] future.
[2:19:25] Thank you for your consideration to this matter.
[2:19:36] Hello.
[2:19:36] So my name is Kristen Rodriguez. My address is one, two, one, four, one.
[2:19:42] Ecerina Road and Gold Canyon, Arizona. I know I live in Gold Canyon but I do spend a
[2:19:47] lot of time in Apache Junction. I also run a nonpartisan group called the Lighthouse Group
[2:19:52] and I have a lot of members in Apache Junction as well.
[2:19:57] I want to begin to thank the Mayor of Ice News.
[2:20:00] Vice mayor and city council for allowing me to speak. I believe everyone in this room can agree on that nobody wakes up hoping crime goes up. Nobody wants a rapist burglar or drug dealer moving into their neighborhood. We all want professional police officers who protect us, solve crimes, and do their jobs lawfully regardless of how people voted for their political party. So disagreeing with the use of ALPRs of any brand does not make someone pro-crime or
[2:20:29] anti-police. My concern is not whether flock can help solve crimes or benefit the community
[2:20:35] clearly it can. My concern is what happens when we create a system that records the
[2:20:41] movements of innocent people, makes that information searchable, and connects that information
[2:20:46] across jurisdictions and agencies. We were previously told that flock couldn't be abused.
[2:20:53] The patchy junction now has a real example showing that it can. As Chief Police shared
[2:20:57] and other members tonight in AJ, police officer used the flock to locate his wife for personal
[2:21:02] reasons. He did resign, and according to the chief would have been fired if he didn't. I
[2:21:07] appreciate that our department investigated it and held people accountable, but it proved something
[2:21:12] important. Safe guards do not make abuse impossible. And this isn't just an Apache junction issue.
[2:21:19] In Colorado, a flock system wrongly flagged an innocent woman forcing her to demonstrate that she
[2:21:25] had done nothing wrong.
[2:21:26] An officer was recorded saying, quote,
[2:21:28] you can't get a breath of fresh air
[2:21:30] in or out of this place without us knowing about it."
[2:21:34] In Wisconsin, an outdated flock alert
[2:21:38] contributed to a high-risk stop
[2:21:40] of people who weren't connected to the underlying investigation.
[2:21:44] And my understanding is that police showed up
[2:21:45] with guns on people that were not connected
[2:21:48] to whatever they were investigating.
[2:21:51] In Mountain View, California, officials
[2:21:53] Visuals discovered that FOX network sharing configuration had allowed outside agencies
[2:21:58] to access local data without the department's knowledge or approval.
[2:22:03] The examples of misuse, abuse, and overreach seem endless.
[2:22:08] They aren't simply cameras sitting on Apache Junction streets, they're part of a network.
[2:22:13] And once information exists, we have to depend and not only on today's officers, but future
[2:22:18] officers, administrations, administrators, agencies, vendors, contractors, and future
[2:22:24] governments to use that information appropriately.
[2:22:28] That's why I believe the safest data is data we never collect.
[2:22:31] It isn't about whether I trust local police, I do.
[2:22:35] I think the intention is genuine.
[2:22:38] It's about whether I want my privacy or my neighbor's privacy, depending on every person
[2:22:43] who will ever have access to this system to do the right thing.
[2:22:47] We don't protect innocent people by telling them to trust the system.
[2:22:51] We protect them by designing the system so that unnecessary information about innocent
[2:22:56] people isn't collected in the first place.
[2:22:58] Public safety matters and so does freedom.
[2:23:01] And when we choose to, and when we have to choose between collecting information on everyone,
[2:23:06] just in case we might need it someday and collecting what we actually need when we have a legitimate
[2:23:11] reason, I believe the choice is clear.
[2:23:13] The safest data is the data we never collect.
[2:23:16] Thank you.
[2:23:25] Hi, my name is Jessica Duff. I love it. Two, zero, seven, five, self-drown my road.
[2:23:30] A lot of what I'm going to say I feel like is an echo of what's been already said,
[2:23:33] but I think it's my responsibility to voice my opinion as well. One of the greatest privileges
[2:23:38] of this country is that every day we have the opportunity to make hundreds of personal choices
[2:23:42] from what we eat, to where we go, to who we spend our time with, and who we share the
[2:23:49] the increased disease of our daily life with.
[2:23:51] But with cameras, systems such as FAC,
[2:23:53] we're never really given a choice
[2:23:55] and we're no longer getting the choice
[2:23:56] with being attractive everywhere we go,
[2:23:58] even if it's every role in 30 days.
[2:24:02] We were told that these systems are for our safety and security,
[2:24:04] but even with the people who have sworn to serve
[2:24:07] and protect us, our law enforcement
[2:24:09] have been caught misusing and abusing the system
[2:24:11] as stated tonight.
[2:24:14] If the people who are supposed to protect us
[2:24:16] are doing this, we can only imagine
[2:24:18] and what criminals and others will do with this information
[2:24:20] if they get their hands on it.
[2:24:23] These systems can collect much more information
[2:24:25] than just their license plates, even if current contracts
[2:24:28] are only set up given a certain way at this time.
[2:24:31] And there's very little to no transparency, oversight,
[2:24:34] or regulation, and how they collect, store,
[2:24:36] and use this data in the long term, especially
[2:24:38] with a private company in the long run.
[2:24:42] We should be frightened thinking about how dangerous
[2:24:44] this information is like knowing where you go every day.
[2:24:47] your daily habits and whether you are home or not and it's not just for us but it's for all
[2:24:53] generations ahead. We are given the excuse that cell phones track us more than the camera systems like
[2:25:16] As a whole, I strongly urge the city council to reconsider these contracts and cancel them, and remove all cameras that have already been installed. This also means that we do not sign other contracts.
[2:25:29] with companies like Exxon, with similar capabilities or other companies that could be created.
[2:25:35] Please uphold the Fourth Amendment and protect both us and yourselves.
[2:25:39] Thank you.
[2:25:47] Good evening.
[2:25:49] Chrysler-Rizzi, 1755-Souths and Burrell, just ask code compliance, they know where I'm at.
[2:25:57] Mayor, vice mayor, council, community members, I come with a little bit of a different perspective.
[2:26:04] When we, as a former council member, who served with several of you at the time that
[2:26:11] flat cameras were brought to Apache Junction, we would have welcomed a room full of people
[2:26:17] to share their opinions on the cameras, but we didn't, unfortunately, we didn't have
[2:26:23] that.
[2:26:24] There were, I think, a few people that did come, it wasn't, it wasn't packed, and there
[2:26:28] We're not a lot of people disputing it.
[2:26:33] Undoubtedly, I'll just share this.
[2:26:35] I was also on the council and had the honor and privilege
[2:26:39] of helping to hire Chief Pooley.
[2:26:42] I always tell Chief Pooley it's one of the best decisions
[2:26:44] I ever made as a council member.
[2:26:47] I am a daughter of a retired New York state trooper
[2:26:52] and so I'm a huge proponent of law enforcement
[2:26:55] as a public servant.
[2:26:56] I don't think there was ever a time when I served on that day as that I would vote against
[2:27:02] something that the police department needed.
[2:27:06] And undoubtedly this community supports our Apache junction police.
[2:27:11] I don't think
[2:27:15] the public in the community fears our police department.
[2:27:21] I think they and distrust, I don't think there's distrust in our police department.
[2:27:25] We come out, we show up for our police department.
[2:27:28] They have a distrust in these cameras, and there's a reason why.
[2:27:32] When they were first brought to us and presented, we were told what they would and would not
[2:27:38] be able to do.
[2:27:39] That was four years ago, and now county brought these cameras on seven years ago.
[2:27:45] We have to think as a community, we have to, as people in general, we have to remember
[2:27:50] how rapidly technology expands, it increases, and how rapidly it changes.
[2:27:56] So, the intent, when they were first brought to the City Council and we had to make that
[2:28:00] tough decision, it was never, they didn't have the ability back then probably to do what
[2:28:06] they do now.
[2:28:07] Technology changes like this, we're looking at now a community that doesn't want surveillance.
[2:28:15] They don't, they're telling you, your constituents and your community members who support you guys
[2:28:21] and who support our police department are telling you that even though these are intended
[2:28:25] for public safety. They're telling you they don't want it. If I think the situation would
[2:28:31] be a lot different, if this was something that we were doing for the safety and protection
[2:28:35] of our law enforcement agents, I don't know how much these cameras are used to do that.
[2:28:41] Like, you know, if they were to ask for protective vests or some kind of protective equipment,
[2:28:46] I have no doubt that the community would be absolutely in support of that. It's a little bit different.
[2:28:52] These are intended to help the community and help protect us and they absolutely do help self-crime.
[2:28:59] I talked to my father. When he was a New York state trooper, he served in the 1960s and he did his
[2:29:08] job without this technology. And I asked him what he thought about it. In his opinion was it goes too far,
[2:29:14] just it goes too far. Human error, absolutely. It's unfortunate that our police department,
[2:29:21] We have an amazing police department, I'll say it over and over again.
[2:29:26] People make mistakes, they make bad choices, unfortunately it reflected on the police department,
[2:29:31] but you can see our police department, how transparent they were, they came out, they
[2:29:36] talked to the community, the chief is here, they're answering questions.
[2:29:41] If you make the decision to do away with these now, that doesn't mean you can't bring them
[2:29:47] back in the future.
[2:29:48] These can be brought back and I think the chief said it well.
[2:29:52] During the investigation he said, I wish it was a crime to do what was done.
[2:30:00] And these officers are breaking the law. It's not right now. And maybe bring these back when
[2:30:07] it is when that is a law. So I just ask that you guys think about this. It's not a law
[2:30:13] right now. If they break the law, they don't get in trouble. Let's watch and see what
[2:30:18] our representatives, our state representatives do. If it becomes a crime to do that, then
[2:30:26] And maybe the public will feel a little bit better about it.
[2:30:28] Your people are telling you they don't want these and I hate that I'm even here saying
[2:30:32] this.
[2:30:33] I'm a huge proponent of law enforcement.
[2:30:35] I just, I think they need to go for now.
[2:30:38] See where the people are down the road and I thank you all for your time.
[2:30:43] Charlie Kirk Memorial at Flatiron on 910 at 6 p.m.
[2:30:55] Can we take a five minute break?
[2:30:59] Is she the last one?
[2:31:00] Anyone else want to be wanting to speak?
[2:31:04] Okay, we're going to take a five minute break take a break first. Yes, old people old
[2:31:37] bladders.
[2:32:55] Yeah, that's why I couldn't really put open up that way, so nobody wants to do it for themselves.
[2:33:41] I will play this, um, build features, any venture, I don't know if it's here, I can't, I will, yeah.
[2:34:06] So, he gets so comfortable with it and be able to do it.
[2:39:00] Meeting back to order again, please.
[2:39:07] Amy, you made it.
[2:39:25] Okay, we'll continue on with the, excuse me, public hearing.
[2:39:38] My name is Brenna sandable, and I live at 231 west 20th here in Apache Junction. And I didn't have anything like plan to say today. But I think it's important to be part of protecting the community and upholding our constitution to go ahead and make public
[2:39:57] like comment, I agree with.
[2:40:00] You know, most of everything that everyone else said, so I'll try not to kind of repeat those things. So I don't really have a whole lot to add, but I do oppose the flock cameras or any brand or similar technology. And I know the chief of police, you know, he had a very eloquent, you know, presentation. And there was a lot of focus on the vulnerable members in the community. So I just like the opportunity to take take this opportunity to say that
[2:40:29] that instead of the cameras, I think it's important that Apache Junction has a behavioral health unit and that could be part of actually protecting and serving the community members.
[2:40:44] And I think that'd be a really important thing for Apache Junction to have here, and I see a lot of success, other cities that have it.
[2:40:54] Also, I wanted to mention that as a private citizen, I have my personal cameras for
[2:41:00] my self protection at my home, and the way that I have my cameras placed as a private
[2:41:06] citizen protects the community, because I don't have them basically seeing the cars that
[2:41:13] drive by.
[2:41:14] I have them placed in a way that it doesn't do that.
[2:41:17] Just as a private citizen to protect my community, I have the logic to do that.
[2:41:24] And also, I wanted to mention something that I don't, I think I heard anyone else mention.
[2:41:29] I know that they said that these cameras are not going to replace law enforcement.
[2:41:36] However, I don't think that that's going to be true in the end.
[2:41:40] I think as we see technology grow and grow, there will be job loss to save money when technology can replace it.
[2:41:49] We see that with many companies and corporations.
[2:41:53] I'm experiencing that in my own job probably in a few years.
[2:41:56] I won't have a job because of technology, so I think that that's absolutely something
[2:42:01] that will happen in the police department as well, which will be detrimental to the community.
[2:42:07] And then also, I also wanted to add that one of you made a comment, I don't remember which
[2:42:13] one of you it was and he may have made the comment as well that we understand that law enforcement
[2:42:19] officers are human. Just like all of us, we make mistakes. There's bad people in
[2:42:24] law enforcement. There's good people in law enforcement. Because we do that, we
[2:42:29] do know that. Why was there nothing done proactively to have safe guards in
[2:42:34] place? That seems highly irresponsible. So thank you for letting me make a public
[2:42:39] comment.
[2:42:45] Hi councilmembers, Nina Solar, 22 East 13th Avenue,
[2:42:49] Apache Junction. I want to make this quick and I'm probably not going to get a
[2:42:53] clause, but I do feel that flock is necessary.
[2:42:59] There was just a case where a mother, this was in another state, I don't remember what
[2:43:03] state, but a mother put her two-year-old in the car seat, loaded up her groceries, she
[2:43:08] had her car started for the air conditioning, went to put the car away, somebody stole
[2:43:12] her car.
[2:43:13] Within 15 minutes, they found that car with the gentleman driving, I shouldn't say gentleman,
[2:43:18] and with the scumbag driving in the backseat with a little girl claiming he was just comforting her.
[2:43:24] You know he was going to rape her and kill her.
[2:43:26] If it wasn't for flock, they wouldn't have found that two-year-old and she would be gone.
[2:43:31] So I do think flock is a good thing.
[2:43:33] I do think there needs to be protocols in place,
[2:43:35] which I have great respect that Chief Polly will do.
[2:43:39] Vice Mayor said maybe only keep the data for one week.
[2:43:42] They keep it for 30, maybe compromise to, you know, two weeks.
[2:43:46] something like that. And as most of you know, my husband,
[2:43:50] Councilmember Solar, has been in law enforcement forever for over 30 years.
[2:43:56] And as a police officer's wife, I just remember him coming home so many times
[2:44:03] that they've lost a child, somebody hit and ran, somebody died, they couldn't find
[2:44:10] the person until days later, and then it was too late. If flock was in place back then,
[2:44:14] maybe he wouldn't have so many horrific memories.
[2:44:18] So I think we're talking about the bad that Flock does
[2:44:21] and let's think about the good and how we can improve it
[2:44:24] to keep it and help keep our community safe.
[2:44:27] Thank you.
[2:44:33] Jeff Danford 3299 South Conestoga Road.
[2:44:36] I wasn't gonna come up here tonight and talk,
[2:44:39] but after watching all these people,
[2:44:42] you'll have a perception issue.
[2:44:44] Now, some of that perception is based on some misinformation, but a lot of what I heard
[2:44:50] tonight was based on very careful fact-based research.
[2:44:56] I have heard some comments over the last few weeks.
[2:45:00] So, on social media, that this is a blue issue, this is a defund the police issue. It's not. In fact, most of the people in here wearing red, a lot of vinyl personally, and they are not conservative. I mean, they are not liberal. They are conservatives, but they have concerns. And that's it. You folks are elected officials. We voted you in to make these decisions. And we respect you to make the right decisions.
[2:45:27] questions. And all we ask is that you consider the
[2:45:34] opinions of the folks that are your constituents.
[2:45:38] It may be a good idea. I'm not anti-flock. I'm not pro-flock. I'm still doing the research
[2:45:44] on it. But we have a condition where yes, they might be valid, but you also have a perception
[2:45:51] issue from the public. Can you afford to lose a public trust? So all I ask is when you sit
[2:45:57] down and deliberate this issue in the next few days and weeks, please consider the opinions
[2:46:02] of all the people in the city and make the right decision. Thank you.
[2:46:13] So, ma'am, would you be in 2, 3, 0, 4 North Cortes, or the patchy junction Arizona?
[2:46:21] I heard that as a flock camera has been over there for four years.
[2:46:25] I guess this one officer has violated that he resigned.
[2:46:30] How many we have complained before that? I never heard any one of them.
[2:46:36] child get abducted, people that get sick or they are in Alzheimer's disease, now that
[2:46:43] stuff, they get lost, old people.
[2:46:46] And then who helped them, police department?
[2:46:51] We are driving down the road, Tempe, Mesa, Chandler, they're taking a picture, if you are speeding
[2:46:55] or you're crossing the red light, how they find you.
[2:46:58] their license plate and they said you were taking it at your house or they
[2:47:02] served you over there. These flocked camera was if they don't have use it, it's a
[2:47:10] great thing for the safety or for the public. If somebody kidnap the kids, ask
[2:47:16] their mother and father how bad they feel if they can find their kids, that's the
[2:47:22] best thing. If they've been abused, that's the worst thing. And you guys here from the public,
[2:47:29] what are the people wants and all that stuff. You guys make the wise decision. That's where
[2:47:33] how I feel. And I think it's a good thing for the safety reason. I think it's a good thing for
[2:47:40] the people to get the crime, how to find them. That's the best thing. And look at the logs for
[2:47:47] For last four years, how many people they find it, how many people they cause, they committed
[2:47:54] the crime, and they travel through Apache Junction, Apache Junction Police, arrested them
[2:47:58] and turned over to any city where they committed the crime.
[2:48:02] That's how we look at it.
[2:48:05] People think this, you know, this forth amendment violation, look at your cell phone, every information
[2:48:12] everywhere in the world, everybody has it.
[2:48:14] That's not the violation.
[2:48:16] It is. And a lot of different things, things changing, technology changing. City has to keep
[2:48:23] up with the technology. If need to change the codes on it, have to rewrite it. That's the
[2:48:28] best thing. City has to be stay on top of it and make it happen and make sure people are
[2:48:32] comfortable. People are safe. Thank you.
[2:48:41] Andre meet 1327 South Bel Air Road here in AJ.
[2:48:47] First off, I'd like to say thank all the
[2:48:51] people for being here packing this place. This is the way it should be every meeting. So please come
[2:48:57] to the council meetings.
[2:49:01] Mayor, council, chief Gouli.
[2:49:07] What I'm seeing tonight isn't so much
[2:49:13] rejection of a camera system, it's standing up for the rights to privacy. Now I myself,
[2:49:26] If, you know, a rabid pro police, pro red light camera, pro speeding camera, and pro
[2:49:42] some of the aspects of flock.
[2:49:45] But you look at a speeding camera, you look at a red light camera, that's instantaneous.
[2:49:50] You got that car boo, you got this picture.
[2:49:52] same with the red light cameras and I believe we need them here because we
[2:50:00] That idiot's on the road. And I've been at lights where I've seen three cars do a left turn on a red light, you know, right in front of me. And, you know, of course, you know how speeders are. They're everywhere. But point is, it's people have come to the point to where they're tired of being observed.
[2:50:33] fracked, you know, scrutinized in many ways. It's, they're done. You know, it's, and unfortunately,
[2:50:43] the flock type cameras, you know, they go in there, they just, they grab a handful, and they'll
[2:50:50] pick out what they want. But that stays in the bucket. So it can be used, it can
[2:51:00] be abused. And I think people want it to stop. They're just tired of it. They're
[2:51:09] tired of being surveilled.
[2:51:13] You look at the drones of police use. I think the
[2:51:19] great. You know, I got no problem with them. You know, I got problems with other people flying drones
[2:51:26] over the neighbor swimming pool where the 14-year-old girls sunbathing or something like that. You know,
[2:51:32] police aren't going to do that.
[2:51:36] But I think it's time for the council to really review. You've seen
[2:51:45] what the people have been asking for here. I mean, it was just, you know, pretty much everybody
[2:51:52] that was here pretty much had something to say against it. And it's, you know, not so much
[2:51:59] that, you know, the flocks don't do good at time because they do. You know, I mean, they have
[2:52:04] solved crimes, they have saved people, you know, everything. But the biggest problem was
[2:52:11] that it was just thrown out there and they said hey guys have fun with it and they
[2:52:19] did and a lot of people abused the hell out of it and you know it's like you
[2:52:28] heard tonight over and over again about the officer here that abused it and you
[2:52:37] You know, okay, he did, you know, the police jumped right on it.
[2:52:41] Doesn't not going to happen again.
[2:52:43] But the thing is, it's the way flock works.
[2:52:48] It's that grabbing of everyone and picking out one or two
[2:52:54] but holding onto those.
[2:52:57] And I can see it working if it didn't work in that way.
[2:53:04] And I mean, the way technology is going, it's going to be something that, you know, I believe we're going to set it aside for a while and find out what the heck technology is going to do because, you know, it's just, you know, how technology is like every 10 years, it's 100 years ahead of us.
[2:53:25] and so anyway, I'm pleading with the council.
[2:53:30] It's in your hands now, make a good decision,
[2:53:33] and I thank you.
[2:53:45] My name's Ed Kale, I live at 5934 East Shiprock Street.
[2:53:51] I'm here because this is a constitutional tug of war.
[2:53:55] I really, it hit me hard seeing this come in this town.
[2:54:01] It is surveillance.
[2:54:03] a patchy junction is just the renters.
[2:54:07] We rent from these mass data collection,
[2:54:13] these surveillance companies,
[2:54:14] and who's watching them?
[2:54:18] Who is watching what they do with it?
[2:54:20] We have problems with trafficking in this country.
[2:54:26] And who's to say that the wrong people can't target someone,
[2:54:31] their license. I've got daughters and it's been a lot of time making sure they were safe because
[2:54:40] that was something I was always worried about when I was raising them. They're grown now.
[2:54:44] I still worry about them. I hope to be a grandfather.
[2:54:52] The information in the wrong hands,
[2:54:55] IE, these officers that are misused.
[2:55:00] These in this, this, this stuff or are, are possibly whoever has access to these companies
[2:55:05] in that data, that's already been proven that these things can be hacked, anything could
[2:55:09] be hacked. I'm asking that this town that we live in, get rid of these until this
[2:55:16] stuff becomes more secure, I don't, I don't believe that this stuff belongs in this town.
[2:55:21] I don't want to be surveillance. I, I wonder if there's people that are afraid to leave their
[2:55:25] house because they, they're under surveillance 24, 7 .
[2:55:29] I know people that don't want to leave their house
[2:55:33] Because of this type of stuff now.
[2:55:40] I suppose some people might call me the bad guy in the room
[2:55:44] I'm the one that backed over your camera. So I'm gonna pay that price
[2:55:56] at a good conversation with the chief and
[2:56:00] You know, I believe that he's here to do his job the best of his ability and these tools
[2:56:05] likely help him and other officers. I've got family and law enforcement. We've had those discussions
[2:56:11] But I've had phone calls from around the country on people that don't want these in their towns and
[2:56:18] I don't think we want these in this town and
[2:56:22] that's
[2:56:24] That is why we are here where we're talking to you folks about getting these out of here because
[2:56:33] It's a tug-of-war with the fourth a men are constitutional
[2:56:42] We're writing that line, and there's going to be tug of war, and I think it's on its way out.
[2:56:52] I don't really want to be here over this, but I think it's necessary.
[2:56:58] And I hope that this town does a better job at listening to its people, and I hope we get these out of here.
[2:57:07] That's all I really have to say.
[2:57:10] I hope that the decisions made that takes our combined concerns and I hope that we make
[2:57:20] the right decision getting rid of these so that we can live free.
[2:57:25] That's all I have to say.
[2:57:26] L
[2:57:39] .C. Westcott, 840 North Idaho Road, Mayor Councilman, I really didn't turn on speaking tonight.
[2:57:47] However, I'm going to be the least favorite person in the crowd.
[2:57:52] And I am wearing white, Judge.
[2:57:54] It's the white flag.
[2:57:55] Okay.
[2:57:57] But I was a victim of a crime.
[2:58:00] And there was no cameras.
[2:58:03] The second time, I think to move a crime as well, only there was cameras.
[2:58:11] We need technology. Your only is good as your technology is.
[2:58:16] My family comes from a long line of military background police officers that fight for your constitutional rights.
[2:58:25] And myself as an RN,
[2:58:29] it's the Supreme Court Councilman Sawyer has ruled it's not a violation
[2:58:37] of our rights.
[2:58:39] When you're a victim or you have a family member specific to them, you want this technology.
[2:58:46] We are behind this state of Arizona in technology.
[2:58:52] As a child in RN, I've been flocked from the east to the west coast, and I've been pulled
[2:58:58] Although I appreciate that, traveling alone, I want that safety net.
[2:59:07] I remember a time when I lived in our tuky, you didn't stop in a patchy junction going
[2:59:13] to the Lost Deschmen.
[2:59:14] You didn't stop because it wasn't safe.
[2:59:18] Now, people want to live here because it's safe.
[2:59:22] Why is it safe?
[2:59:24] Because of our A.D. police department.
[2:59:27] They need this technology.
[2:59:28] Let them do our job, their job, for us, thank you.
[2:59:39] Hi, Mayor, Vice Mayor, Council.
[2:59:41] Hamsel, already 4720 South orbits.
[2:59:46] About two and a half months ago, I left lock.
[2:59:49] I am no longer employed by lock as up to an half months ago.
[2:59:53] My time there came to an end.
[2:59:56] With that said, one thing that was brought up into this room.
[3:00:00] That's valid is the mysteries of license plates. I would love to know what Chief Polly's policy is to avoid taking action on this reason. If I was a betting man, I would guarantee that he's going to come up here and say we verify and we verify and we verify before taking action on a stolen vehicle heads. I have full trust in Chief Polly and his police department from countless conversation that I've had with him about the flood platform. I want to talk about an isolated misuse that Chief Polly took accountability for and
[3:00:29] process is in place to ensure it doesn't happen again but not the 34 stolen vehicles that were
[3:00:34] recovered or the rape child that was brought back home to her family alive. My daughter was in the
[3:00:39] youth academy here in Apache Junction. Shout out to Sergeant Pington. I don't think I saw him here.
[3:00:45] He took a 13 year old girl that was not excited about going to summer camp and day two of that summer
[3:00:50] camp. Waking up in the morning we told him hey we're about to be late. Let's go. So shout out to that
[3:00:55] program that you guys have here. We'll live not 10 minutes away from City Hall and I want
[3:01:00] law enforcement to have the tools to protect us and our families. Your vehicle is not
[3:01:06] being tracked if a search is not done. A search has to be done for your vehicle to be tracked.
[3:01:14] Love the search demo done by the commander. I do wish the demo could have been done
[3:01:18] with a search without a search reason. A message would have come up staying,
[3:01:23] a search reason is needed to conduct a search.
[3:01:26] Flak doesn't sell data.
[3:01:28] They are in support of legislation that LPR companies
[3:01:30] doing business with law enforcement
[3:01:32] are not allowed to sell data.
[3:01:35] I heard a Prescott Council meeting a couple of months ago
[3:01:37] that discussed Flak.
[3:01:39] One thing that at the time Chief Amy Bommie
[3:01:41] brought up was a particular case
[3:01:45] where vehicle was stolen out of Penel County
[3:01:48] and went into the Phoenix.
[3:01:49] kids, kidnapped a child to corrupt through Flagstaff, who had just canceled their
[3:01:55] Flag contract two weeks prior, then through Sedona, who had canceled their
[3:01:59] Flag contract a couple of months prior, and then through Cottonwood, where a
[3:02:04] stolen vehicle hit was, did happen, and alerted the police department in Cottonwood,
[3:02:08] we did have the Flag platform, and they were able to make an arrest and recover
[3:02:12] the child.
[3:02:15] That's the real consequence we're talking about here. Again, I have
[3:02:19] full trust in the police department. The police department is telling you if you trust us,
[3:02:23] give us these tools. Give your law enforcement the tools they need to protect us and our family.
[3:02:29] This is the police. Again, you said that we trust this police department. Let's just give them their
[3:02:33] tools. One thing that I'll add is I'm not sure how many people in this room are aware. Over 50%
[3:02:39] of the fentanyl that is trafficked through the United States goes through Arizona, right?
[3:02:44] I had the pleasure of taking my kids trick-or-treating, October 31st of last year, but the unfortunate
[3:02:51] reality is we did that with Narcan, with us, because we don't know what we're going
[3:02:55] to encounter.
[3:02:56] Again, that's the real consequence.
[3:02:58] Keep on the tools that they need.
[3:03:00] Thank you.
[3:03:08] Okay.
[3:03:10] Don't see any other movements, so I will now close the public hearing and discussions
[3:03:16] from the council.
[3:03:18] There?
[3:03:18] Yes.
[3:03:19] I would just like to thank everybody. Everybody that came here, everybody had different opinions and I really want to thank you for being professional and respectful and we'll take all considerations that you have.
[3:03:34] Remember, you know, we're here to do the will of people and we might have to go out to the whole city and see what everybody thinks, but you know, it's something we've got to take a long talk and a long take a look at.
[3:03:48] I love the technology, I'm a police officer, I love the technology, and I think it's really
[3:03:55] really worth keeping myself, but there has to be strict guidelines, rules, and there
[3:04:03] has to be absolute punishment if you abuse it, and that's the fault I saw with flaw.
[3:04:09] It was out there and there was really no guardrails on it, and now we're putting guardrails,
[3:04:15] We're putting in safety mechanisms, but we'll all sit and talk, and we'll decide what
[3:04:20] we're going to do, but we are here to do the will of the people, and I appreciate you
[3:04:23] coming, voicing your opinions, and being professional.
[3:04:27] Thank you very much.
[3:04:33] Okay.
[3:04:35] Well, we're going to go on to the call of the public, and I got two responses here to address.
[3:04:43] I'd like to remind everyone that the call of the public is a courtesy, and not required by
[3:04:47] By law, it's a time for the public to express request, communication, comments, and suggestion.
[3:04:53] Request to speak forms must have been completed and handed to the city clerk before the end of the city manager's report.
[3:05:00] All issues shall be presented in a professional matter without personal attacks. Underneath the open
[3:05:07] meeting law, the council cannot engage in discussion on the issues presented but may respond
[3:05:14] to criticism and may direct staff to follow up with the speaker directly or place the
[3:05:19] matter on future agenda for the council discussion. There is a three minute time limit with
[3:05:28] the 30-second warning light indicated by yellow.
[3:05:33] And my first one is Laurie Smith.
[3:05:36] Beated
[3:05:42] cheering on Tom.
[3:05:49] Listen, it's 9.35.
[3:05:51] I appreciate this very much.
[3:05:52] My husband tied me.
[3:05:53] I'm just under three minutes if I read quickly.
[3:05:56] Good evening, everyone.
[3:05:58] My name is Laurie Smith, 4073, East Corpio Place.
[3:06:01] I'm here tonight to highlight a critical gap
[3:06:03] in Apache Junction's Municipal Code, V-Line Horting.
[3:06:06] While your current ordinances address dogs and livestock
[3:06:12] I've been involved in annual rescue for over 30 years.
[3:06:15] Here's a little background.
[3:06:16] Last December, I was introduced to an Apache Judgment resident,
[3:06:19] but approximately 80 cats at that point
[3:06:21] and who had been subject to animal hoarding complaint
[3:06:23] just one month prior.
[3:06:25] By April, they had 125 cats by June 150.
[3:06:29] After receiving the most recent complaint just last month,
[3:06:33] they claimed to only have 70 cats, where the other cats go.
[3:06:36] Even with only 80 cats, living conditions were an exception.
[3:06:39] Acceptable, many of them sick, dying in a desperate need of medical care.
[3:06:42] The cats are fed once a day with food being rationed because there's never enough food.
[3:06:47] 28 to 25 cats to a litter box.
[3:06:51] Always 30 full of urine and feces, flies, the smell, they also have 9 to 10 dogs.
[3:06:56] Law enforcement has been under their property twice without a warrant, and have cleared
[3:06:59] them to carry on with the sad situation based on current codes.
[3:07:03] Absolutely nothing but the situation is acceptable.
[3:07:06] Under current code, municipal officers have clear legal mechanisms for dogs, large animals,
[3:07:11] but severe cat wording exists in the legal gray area and remains unchecked.
[3:07:15] In Phoenix, for example, individuals face class with misdemeanor if convicted for hoarding.
[3:07:20] They're also ordered to receive a mental health evaluation in the order by the court for
[3:07:24] periodic or regular property inspections and or prohibiting the individuals from taking
[3:07:29] in any more animals or even owning animals in the future.
[3:07:33] Federal free roaming cats are not subject to this, so they can continue to be fed by their caregivers.
[3:07:40] There are public health and safety dangers, environmental and structural hazards.
[3:07:44] Concentrated cat urine, feces, extreme ammonia, build-up biohazards, airborne contaminants,
[3:07:50] sunscreen humans, and animals.
[3:07:52] Firefighters, code enforcement personnel, entering these structures face severe respiratory and health hazards
[3:07:57] without proper protocols or early interventional tools.
[3:08:00] Baring dead animals on your property.
[3:08:02] It's part of hoarding.
[3:08:04] Beryl of dead animals on private properties
[3:08:06] and that'll add to patchy junction or any place else.
[3:08:08] Yet this property has a sizable mass grave
[3:08:10] where they dispose of their dead animals, primarily cats.
[3:08:15] I respectfully ask the City Council
[3:08:16] to update the municipal code, formally integrate inside cats,
[3:08:20] pets, and to existing animal welfare and limit ordinances
[3:08:23] alongside dogs and livestock.
[3:08:25] Establish a multi-agency protocol
[3:08:27] ensure code enforcement, animal control, fire department work together rather
[3:08:35] than acting
[3:08:36] as individual agencies.
[3:08:38] And from like clear, he made cap thresholds or permitting guidelines for high-density
[3:08:41] companion animals, a stab sugar established structured diversion pathways, pairing legal
[3:08:46] enforcement.
[3:08:51] I would like to add that there are a number of us that are available in any capacity to assist
[3:08:54] with this.
[3:08:55] Thank you.
[3:08:56] I didn't make my three minutes.
[3:08:57] Thank you.
[3:08:57] I appreciate it.
[3:08:59] Donna Carr?
[3:09:12] I gave a paper to all you guys about wanting to have it revamped and revised the future plan of Apache Junction and let's not wait until everything is already said and done with all these three story apartment complexes that want to go in.
[3:09:28] I'd like to see if we can get it together where the people can choose what they want in the city because I know I was told that 7,000 people voted for this that is going on right now.
[3:09:43] But how many people actually came in and looked at the plan and how many people just went like sort of like in high school and colored in the bubble.
[3:09:52] So, I understand we need to revamp and revise the future plan of Apache Jochen, thank you.
[3:10:03] Any comments from the council? Yes. Can we get a work session on this cat issue on cat hoarding? Yes, we'll definitely get that on the agenda. Okay, and then are we going to be doing an executive for either a work session on further discussion about the cameras? Yes, we can get that on as well. Okay. Work session. What?
[3:10:42] Okay, I'm going to make one quick comment in concerning the revise,
[3:10:50] revise a future plan is when it was being presented, we had many, I don't mean one or two.
[3:10:59] I'm saying many open sessions, discussions, we had our people at different events where
[3:11:10] they went out and talked to the people about what was coming up and what was on the plan
[3:11:16] and how we addressed it and, you know, I really and truthfully want to emphasize the fact
[3:11:22] that I think that they did a terrific job and to show everybody what the plans were, what
[3:11:28] was being changed and what the different sections of the community was and how it was all working
[3:11:35] together to include the areas to the south. Okay I will now close the city council.