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Um, hello everybody. Would like to um go

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ahead and call the multimodal

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transportation advisory board committee

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um together today again. And I hope

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everybody's had a great summer. And I

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want to remind everybody, and we'll talk

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about this throughout the meeting, but

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um it's triit week September 8th through

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12th.

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So, there's a lot of events going on and

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we'll talk more about those today, but

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uh just excited about the week so that

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we can do our extra promotions of

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transit during this week. Um um hey

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there. Um it looks like um we have um

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someone here from the community for the

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public comment. So, I'd like to call up

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Sandy Miller. Sandy, if you wouldn't

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mind coming up, we'd love to hear from

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you um to share your comments. I believe

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they may have discussed with you. Hey,

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welcome. Welcome. We appreciate you

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coming tonight. We usually don't get

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visitors, so we're excited. Anytime the

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community can come,

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share comments that. But now, Jen had

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mentioned that you all meet and she

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knows I do a fair amount of cycling. And

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» Excuse me, can you step up to please?

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» So, we'd like for you to come on up. So,

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come on up and give us your name and um

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where you live and we've got three can

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give you three minutes um to share um

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your thoughts and comments to our um

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advisory board.

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» Okie do. Um Sandy Miller um 103 Halls

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Court um just kind of down the hill in

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the Ape or Heatherwood Town Homes. Um

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like I said, uh Jen had mentioned, you

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know, you all do this and she said,

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"Well, you cycle. Do you have any

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thoughts or out?" I was like, "Well,

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I'll shoot." Um, so I usually disappear

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from my front door and head basically

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west, but I end up going through Apex to

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do so. Um, somewhere between

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25 and 45 miles and kind of out and

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about. Um, going through uh like the

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roads like in Apex. Um, roads are in

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great shape and you know, curbing and

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lights and whatnot. And I've got three

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blinkers um on my bike and loud

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obnoxious clothing. So um I'm if you're

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going to hit me, you're going to have to

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try. Um so um let's see. And I've I've

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really not had any issues um with, you

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know, getting run off the road or

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anything like that. Knock on something.

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Um there have been a couple of occasions

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I know and I don't know like I asked Jan

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I said well you know uh in town, out of

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town and she said whatever.

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Okay. So, um there are some um in town

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when roads have been improved um if you

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will and say if one is coming like into

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Apex off of um on old one and um there's

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a neighborhood on the left and they

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wanted to restrict

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people coming out of that neighborhood.

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So rather than being able to go left and

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right out of there, they've got a burm

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in the down the center of the road. It's

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like, well, that I can see why that is a

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good thing. But from from a cyclist

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point of view, the shoulders to the

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right of the white line are limited. Um,

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so cars don't really want to wait for a

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cyclist to go by. So despite the fact

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that there's a burm there, they will

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squeeze by and it's scary as heck. Um,

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so and again, I'll I'll ride the white

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line or to the right of it if I can. Um,

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I will not ride, side note, in a group.

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I know that there are a lot of bike

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shops that do do that. I will not

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because you get a group of cyclists and

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they don't yield. And as a driver,

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that's frustrating. as a cyclist is

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scary as heck because again the drivers

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get angry and it's it's a mess. So I'll

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I'm a solo rider. So I'll squeeze over

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to the right. Um maybe the only other

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thing that drives me baddy, although I

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can understand why from a um

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uh roads standpoint, it is a good thing.

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strips or whatever you call them,

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they're on the right hand side of the

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road and um in the center as well.

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driver's point of view. Oops. Is that my

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three minutes?

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» Sorry, you can finish your

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» Okay. Um, but anyway, so great from a

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from a car safety standpoint, from a

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bike standpoint, also scary because I

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can't go to the right of that white line

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because it's, you know, shake your

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fillings loose. So, you end up out in

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the lane with the with the cars. So,

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I I really don't like those. And there

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they've been added more and more places.

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cyclist point, I really don't like that.

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anyway, is that my three minutes?

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» Okie dokie.

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» Thank you so much.

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» Thank you for listening. I appreciate

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it.

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» We appreciate the input. Thank you.

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All right. We'd like to call on the town

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clerk's office um to go through some

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administrative um updates.

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good afternoon. I am not Ashley U, but I

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am here in herstead. Um, so presenting

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to you all two items for consideration.

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Uh, the first is proposing moving the

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November 4th meeting um to the training

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room uh training rooms 3A and 3B. Um, so

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separate from the council chambers where

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you all normally meet. And then the

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second item is included in your agenda

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packet is the meeting schedule for

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calendar year 2027. This keeps um the

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consistent second Wednesday every other

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month at 4:45 at town hall. Um you have

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the schedule in your agenda packet. I

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have not received any comments on that.

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So just looking for a motion to adopt

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both the amendment of the schedule for

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November 2026 as well as amendment to or

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adoption of the 2027 meeting calendar.

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» Would someone like to second?

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» I'll second. Jennifer second.

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We've got a motion and a second to um

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approve the November 4th meeting to the

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training room and to approve the meeting

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calendar. All those in favor, please

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signify by saying I.

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» I. I.

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» Anyone oppose?

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» Okay. Both of those car.

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» Thank you. Thank you.

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» At this time, um, we'll go through the

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meeting minutes

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and I'll look to Chris Watson. Did you

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have a couple?

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» Yes. Just one quick comment before

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handing it back over to you, Madam

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Chair. Uh, I want to call everyone's

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attention to the July 28th safety

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subcommittee minutes. Um, on page two of

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the minutes, which it will be page 43 of

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your entire agenda packet, um, uh,

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member Bruner has asked that we add the

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following statement to, um, the bottom

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of that page. Right after it says,

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member Bruner shared that direct

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complaints are difficult on a low

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ridership route because it becomes

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personal. Um, we are going to add um if

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it's if it if it passes here on a low

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ridership bus, complaining about a

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specific driver is risky because the

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their complaint and retaliate by not

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picking you up at the stop. And then

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will just be removing the statement

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where it says briefly talked about

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extreme heat, bus driver shortage, and

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accurate bus stop signs C attachment.

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from staff section. Moving that up to

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emerging issues items. First, want to

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pause, make sure that that's an accurate

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representation of the request, and then

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hand it back over to you for discussion.

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» Correct. Thank I didn't realize that was

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all going to come formally. I thought I

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was editing drafts, but thank you for

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carrying that over.

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revisions for the safety minutes and

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then all the other regular meeting and

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subcommittee minutes are as um what's

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included in the packet. No changes to

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those.

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» Chris, um on those So, can you give us

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the line number? That may be helpful

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just just for those that may be looking

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and following along.

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got the line number.

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statement that I read directly following

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page three, carrying on to page four, um

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the emerging issues related to priority

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task. And then on that line 45, we will

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from the following section.

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» Okay. Thank you. Any questions about

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approval of the minutes starting with

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the May 13th. I'd like to see if anybody

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would like to entertain a motion to

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approve the meeting minutes from the May

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13th regular meeting. Would someone like

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to make a motion?

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» So, move.

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» We have a motion.

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» Seconded

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» And a second.

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So, sorry to interrupt, but I'm helping

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to take notes. Would And I can't see and

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» Who was who was the If you could just

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state your name.

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» Noah.

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» Uh Noah.

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» Noah top.

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» For the motion. Yes.

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» Patrick Curley for the second.

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» Thank you.

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» All those in favor signify by saying I.

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» I. I.

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» Anyone opposed?

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» Okay. So moved. And at this point, um,

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would someone like to entertain a motion

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and please state your name, um, to

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approve the minutes for the July 17th,

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um, move to this is Gay. July

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» Gay. Anyone second?

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» I'll second. Second.

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» Okay, it's a motion and a second. All

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those in favor signify by saying I.

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» I.

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» I.

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» Anyone oppose?

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Thank you.

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Now, we'd like to see if anyone would

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like to entertain a motion for the

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minutes for the July 6 infrastructure

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subcommittee meeting.

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» A motion.

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» This Patrick Pat made the motion. One

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second.

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Uh, Gay, I'll second.

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» Okay. All those in favor, please signify

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by saying I.

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» I.

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» Anyone opposed? Thank you.

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Um, at this point, we'll um ask for a

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motion to approve the minutes from

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Can I do both of those at the same time

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with the edits? Are y'all okay with

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that?

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» That okay. The June 18th and the July

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28th with edits that were shared um just

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a few minutes ago um for the safety

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subcommittee meetings. Is there a motion

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um on that? I do have one question

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» Before we approve um the item in our

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minutes about possibly amending the name

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of the committee. I know it may be later

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in the agenda. I want to make sure if we

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don't need to do it now.

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» Correct. That will be later in the

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» Later. Making sure. Then I'll make a

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motion to approve the minutes. Jennifer

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Aaylor.

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» Thank you, Jennifer. Is there a second?

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» I'll second it. Second.

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» Okay. All those in favor signify by

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saying I.

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» I.

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» Anyone opposed?

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Okay. Thank you guys. a lot of minutes,

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a lot of lot of great work going on. So,

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thank you so much,

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» Madam Chair, if I may take a point of

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privilege. Um, last meeting that that I

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attended was I missed the July meeting.

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I was out of town, but the meeting in

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May, uh, I very confidently stated that

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the subcommittees could meet u, you

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know, because there were not enough

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people to make a quorum so the sub

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committees could meet without public uh,

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uh, disclosure or public um,

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announcement of those meetings. I very

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confidently stated that and I was very

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confidently wrong in all of that. So I'm

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I know that Chris and uh I think uh

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Katie sorted that out with with the

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subcommittees. So I appreciate everybody

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kind of rolling with the incorrect

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guidance that I had had provided at the

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time. U and I do appreciate the

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subcommittees getting together and

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reading through the minutes and some of

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the topics being discussed. So uh thank

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you all for uh meeting and getting

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together.

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» Thank you. Thank you.

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» Okay, at this time um we'll go ahead and

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talk about the subcommittee work. Um the

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fiscal year 2027 work plan subcommittee.

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We have updates from each of the

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committees. I believe um and uh I'll

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start with community outreach.

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Um

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the community outreach committee met

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on um July 17th from 3:00 to 5:00 at the

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Mason Street Municipal Building. And

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you've of course um seen the minutes,

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but just wanted to give an update that

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um during our meeting we looked at the

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2027 tasks assigned and um uh went

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through and really uh

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set some goals and and looked forward to

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try to getting a lot more community

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engagement from our groups and to make

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sure we're supporting the staff um out

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in the community. um

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uh at we decided that we wanted to

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operate informally without a chair and

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we would give updates to this committee

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as a specific uh agenda item and I

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volunteered to be the representative um

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at this meeting. Uh, one of the primary

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focuses that we had at our committee

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meeting was to increase MTAB involvement

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in community outreach and we discussed

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ways for us to get involved. And so many

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of you saw all of you saw the um signup

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sheet that we did and actually we had an

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event yesterday and we have an event

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tomorrow and we've got an event this

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weekend. So, a lot of a lot of great

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events and a lot of great opportunities

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for outreach for all of us. So, I think

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um it's exciting that we can go ahead

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and start getting more involved and that

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was one of the things I think all of us

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talked about at the work session. So, I

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appreciate all of you signing up and I

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think there's still a couple other spots

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left, but we'll continue to do that to

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continue to um educate the community for

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us to work together with the staff and

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to do all we can to increase transit,

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increase communication, and and really

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help people know um the resources that

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are available. Um the the events coming

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up were the Pleasant Park Access Study

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that already happened on September 3rd.

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Try Transit was yesterday. There's the

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senior health fair on um Saturday. Touch

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of Trucks coming up in October. And then

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um we want to participate in future

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North Carolina DOT projects.

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Um outreach materials. I think the staff

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has a lot of um um materials, but we

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want to make sure we develop audience

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specific materials for seniors and youth

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and highlight transit benefits such as

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free service, service every 30 minutes,

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7 days a week, key destinations that are

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served through transit, sustainability

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and affordability, and bicycle

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skateboard accessibility. Um under

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number two, one of the priorities was

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bus driver appreciation. I really want

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to make sure we explore ways to

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recognize Go Apex bus operators and

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raise public awareness of transit and

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ideas included coordinating um with go

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carry initiatives because they have a

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lot of initiatives going on. We want to

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make sure we coordinate with them.

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featuring uh driver profiles on social

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media, encou encouraging riders to thank

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drivers on designated day, thank you

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messages, reordering go Apex thank you

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cards, and encouraging elected officials

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in our committee to to to ride and thank

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drivers personally. So, we'll have plans

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for that. Under number three, we wanted

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transit promotion campaign and we

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discussed opportunities um through the

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potential look again campaign and

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proposed activities for promote expanded

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service, provide route maps, conduct

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train the trainer, engage apartment

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communities and employers and uh

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consider public art as highly visible

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bus stops. Um

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number four, transit data and analysis.

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Uh felt like the staff um at the meeting

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discussed several transportation efforts

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that are already underway. So we agreed

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to pause that work for now and um look

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at revisit it when future gaps are

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merging and then the same for bicycle

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and pedestrian outreach. We want to make

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sure um we all talked about that there

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was a lot of discussion on transit about

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bicycle and and pedestrian

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transportation and we the discussion in

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our committee was adding bicycle and

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pedestrian outreach to future community

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outreach opportunities and maybe discuss

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uh discuss appointing a cycle advocate

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or champion for MTAB. And it was great

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to have her public comment today and

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include this topic on future MTAB

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agendas. So our action items were create

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the event signup which was done. Uh

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draft a participation invitation,

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reorder go apex thank you cards, develop

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targeted outreach materials, create a

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route map and plan a group MTAB ride. So

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we need to do that. We're all going to

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go ride the bus together. So that'll be

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fun for us to do that. And then discuss

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bicycle pedestrian outreach strategies

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at future meetings. Um our future

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meetings. And our next meeting is

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September 21st at 3:30. So off to a

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great start. So um uh I'd appreciate Do

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you have any comments? Anything I left

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out, Gay? And um

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» I don't think so.

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» Yeah.

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» Okay. Off to a great start. Um at this

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point, uh we'll ask for the

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infrastructure committee to give a

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report.

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» Sure. Uh we met on uh July 6th. Um,

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Sacket and Noah and myself and staff uh

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met uh here and uh we identified three

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kind of targeted uh tasks uh for our for

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our subcommittee. The first one was

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looking at street design and UDO

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amendments and you know we'll revi

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review and provide feedback to the peak

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plan 20 uh 55 standards when they come

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out later this month. We have a meeting

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scheduled for later this month to

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discuss that. So um and the bicycle and

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pedestrian UDO uh updates in October. So

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um

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uh we have not met since that meeting

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that first meeting but uh we do plan a

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meeting later this month. Um second task

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was for uh project prioritization for

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the CIP and we'll we'll support the CIP

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review process and advocate for

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multimodel projects uh with there's some

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key touch points in September uh with

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preliminary staff request and also in

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October which is after the where staff

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requests are submitted and before the

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fiscal year 20 uh 2028 budget hearings.

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Uh hopefully the recommendations will

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help integrate multimodal priorities

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into the town budget which is you know

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kind of the over overarching uh goal for

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that. And the third task was uh

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supporting uh grant uh submission

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letters. The committee will work with

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staff to draft letters supporting

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transportation grants. U that's

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generally in October and January. Um and

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then uh the last thing is we scheduled a

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meeting for September 24th to start

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discussing the CIP and the peak plan

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updates.

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That's where we are right now.

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» Thanks, Patrick.

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» Thank you.

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» Thank you.

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» Thank you.

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» And we'll call on the safety

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subcommittee.

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» Yep. Your safety committee's down here.

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Elizabeth and I have met three times so

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far in June, July, and August. Um we

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addressed two of the main priorities on

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the giant spreadsheet of um established

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from our working group. uh the main one

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looking at bus safety and then we

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initially started out discussing the

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slope of the bus like that boarding

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slope issue. We've since expanded that

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discussion a little bit to deal with the

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detour to deal with issues of bus safety

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at the individual bus stops, setting up

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shelter, um better lighting, um better

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marking and signage, excuse me, for the

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bus stops. Um and then just the overall

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uh factors that go into selecting a bus

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and some of that is out of our control

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as there is a third party also involved

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and with go carry um to establish the

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kinds of buses we have available for use

546
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,159
but just making sure we can address

547
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,840
those safety concerns. Um and in our

548
00:22:40,159 --> 00:22:44,480
most recent meeting in August, we

549
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:46,159
discussed um like loading and unloading

550
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:49,760
with passengers with carts and baby

551
00:22:46,159 --> 00:22:51,679
strollers and some of the um rules and

552
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:54,159
decision-m that those have to be closed

553
00:22:51,679 --> 00:22:56,159
as you board the bus. Um being possibly

554
00:22:54,159 --> 00:22:58,320
an unreasonable request for moms with

555
00:22:56,159 --> 00:23:00,720
small children or uh people coming from

556
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:02,559
the food pantry with a fully loaded cart

557
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,960
having to unload those items and then

558
00:23:02,559 --> 00:23:06,320
board the bus. Um it's timeconuming. It

559
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,640
could be potentially dangerous if they

560
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:10,320
trip and fall unloading those packages.

561
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:12,320
So, just things to to address and the

562
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,919
town has been very helpful and

563
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,600
responsive in addressing some of the

564
00:23:13,919 --> 00:23:18,559
concerns we've established or things

565
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:20,159
we've asked for feedback on um as

566
00:23:18,559 --> 00:23:21,520
they've met with town of Kerry

567
00:23:20,159 --> 00:23:23,679
representatives and local law

568
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:26,080
enforcement as well um for safety around

569
00:23:23,679 --> 00:23:27,600
like the Mason Street bus terminal to

570
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:30,559
make sure that the riders as you have to

571
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:32,159
debus when the drivers go on break that

572
00:23:30,559 --> 00:23:35,039
people are safe and that you're not

573
00:23:32,159 --> 00:23:36,720
being um approached by some of the um

574
00:23:35,039 --> 00:23:39,200
unhoused individuals that spend their

575
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:41,520
day on the bus. and then debus and

576
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:43,360
panhandle while they wait um just to

577
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,720
make sure people are safe and able to

578
00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:46,640
ride that bus and not have to worry

579
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:49,039
about those concerns getting from point

580
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:51,360
A to point B. Um our next meeting I

581
00:23:49,039 --> 00:23:54,080
believe is October 1st and we will also

582
00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:56,080
try to address our second agenda item um

583
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,760
dealing with safe walking to school

584
00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:00,799
which also addresses sidewalks,

585
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:02,080
crosswalks, um signage, driver awareness

586
00:24:00,799 --> 00:24:04,880
that you're in a school zone, things

587
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:09,200
like that.

588
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:14,000
» Thank you. question. Um,

589
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:18,480
is the is the subcommittee, the two of

590
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:21,200
you, um, planning to attend the, I

591
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:23,279
guess, awareness event on e- scooters

592
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,400
and ebikes that the town has publicized

593
00:24:23,279 --> 00:24:25,919
for October.

594
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,360
» I don't know that we have planned to go

595
00:24:25,919 --> 00:24:30,159
to that. We can certainly try to add it.

596
00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:32,000
I am going to the senior healthcare, see

597
00:24:30,159 --> 00:24:32,559
when the the e scooter event is

598
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,039
happening.

599
00:24:32,559 --> 00:24:35,120
» Okay.

600
00:24:33,039 --> 00:24:37,520
» See what the information is about.

601
00:24:35,120 --> 00:24:38,960
» Okay. I know that has more of a youth

602
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:41,360
focus that I'm understanding.

603
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:43,520
» It does have more of a youth focus, but

604
00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:47,120
the

605
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:49,440
um I'm planning to attend, but I wasn't

606
00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:52,080
sure if either one of you it's for the

607
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:56,080
community as well to help understand

608
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:57,840
um what the uh guidelines and laws and

609
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,559
the dos and don'ts and what you can and

610
00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,919
can't do.

611
00:24:58,559 --> 00:25:01,440
» I'm definitely interested in the issue

612
00:24:59,919 --> 00:25:02,640
itself. I don't think I knew that when

613
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,679
they had actually set up the date for

614
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,720
it. But I saw they were planning

615
00:25:03,679 --> 00:25:06,559
something, but I'll definitely try to

616
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,279
see if we can make that happen to get

617
00:25:06,559 --> 00:25:09,200
more input.

618
00:25:07,279 --> 00:25:10,480
» Okay. I think it's in October. I'll have

619
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,760
to check.

620
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,120
» Yeah, I know the mayor's at least

621
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,799
listening to some of those issues and

622
00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:15,760
concerns thankfully.

623
00:25:14,799 --> 00:25:17,279
» That'd be good to share with the

624
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:20,559
committee everybody, but I'd like to

625
00:25:17,279 --> 00:25:22,720
maybe attend that, too.

626
00:25:20,559 --> 00:25:24,720
» Whenever you find out,

627
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,640
» I think that's a good example of needing

628
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,799
specialized expertise. Like, I would

629
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,880
have nothing to add to a discussion of

630
00:25:28,799 --> 00:25:33,200
e- scooters except, you know, a couple

631
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:35,360
personal observations. I think we do

632
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:37,520
certainly need a bicycle representative.

633
00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:40,080
I hope the town council will think about

634
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:42,640
that with future nominations and someone

635
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:45,640
with insight into all the scooter moped

636
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,640
issues.

637
00:25:49,679 --> 00:25:54,799
Thank you for all the updates. Great

638
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:59,919
committee work. Um we do have a couple

639
00:25:54,799 --> 00:26:05,760
of requested actions. Um I um uh was

640
00:25:59,919 --> 00:26:07,679
added um on to the committee outreach um

641
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:10,480
community outreach subcommittee and I

642
00:26:07,679 --> 00:26:14,080
think that needs to be a motion. So

643
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:16,880
would someone um be interested in um

644
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:19,360
» I'll make a

645
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,960
» To add me to the subcommittee.

646
00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:21,840
» Is there a second?

647
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,200
» Second. Okay.

648
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,799
» Thank you. D.

649
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,320
» All those in favor please signify by

650
00:26:24,799 --> 00:26:29,200
saying I. I

651
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:32,720
» Okay. Any oppose?

652
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:34,960
» Thank you. We also um have asked to

653
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:38,000
rename the safety subcommittee to the

654
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:40,880
safety and accessibility subcommittee.

655
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:44,440
Is there a motion um on the floor to

656
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,440
rename that subcommittee?

657
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,720
I move that we rename that safety

658
00:26:47,279 --> 00:26:50,960
committee to the safety and

659
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:55,279
accessibility subcommittee. If anyone

660
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:57,039
wants an explanation, let me know.

661
00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:59,600
This is Patrick. I second that.

662
00:26:57,039 --> 00:27:00,559
» Okay. All those in favor signify.

663
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,600
» This would be a point to have

664
00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:02,960
discussion, right?

665
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,080
» Yeah. I'd love to hear.

666
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,960
» Yeah.

667
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:09,039
» Well, use the steep boarding slope as an

668
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:11,120
example. Someone was climbing up there,

669
00:27:09,039 --> 00:27:13,360
slipped and fall, elderly person breaks

670
00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:15,520
their hip on cement. It's a safety and

671
00:27:13,360 --> 00:27:17,520
an injury. But what's really happening

672
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,600
with the steep boarding slope is the

673
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,440
folks who are at risk, people who

674
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:24,240
consider it dangerous to get up and

675
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:26,240
down, they have simply stopped riding.

676
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,799
based on my observations and what bus

677
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:31,600
drivers have said. So what became a

678
00:27:28,799 --> 00:27:35,360
safety challenge for the riders they

679
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:37,360
observed as an intolerable risk and so

680
00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:38,960
they simply stopped riding. So we've

681
00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:40,880
spent a lot of time in the subcommittee

682
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:43,840
hoping that they'd switched over to

683
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:46,000
paratransit. In most cases the oldest

684
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:48,720
riders who were using walking canes who

685
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:51,039
battled the slope had uh English as a

686
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:53,520
second language limited English skills.

687
00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:55,679
So how do we find them to make sure they

688
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,600
know that if the bus doesn't work there

689
00:27:55,679 --> 00:28:00,080
is a paratransit option that just

690
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:04,000
there's a lot of overlap between safety

691
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:06,399
and accessibility and for me I I think

692
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:09,440
accessibility is the bigger barrier at

693
00:28:06,399 --> 00:28:12,240
the moment it's perceived safety risks

694
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:14,480
mean people are not writing

695
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:16,799
» Thanks

696
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,080
so expands the scope of

697
00:28:16,799 --> 00:28:20,799
» Well I think the rest of the group sort

698
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:22,720
of wants it to narrow the scope I want

699
00:28:20,799 --> 00:28:24,799
talk about every operational risk there

700
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:27,120
is, but there is a sense that the two

701
00:28:24,799 --> 00:28:28,799
really overlap.

702
00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:31,039
» Yeah. I wouldn't necessarily say that

703
00:28:28,799 --> 00:28:32,640
expands the scope, but that would be a

704
00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:35,440
different conversation,

705
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,720
» But it um perhaps more accurately

706
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:40,320
describes Yes.

707
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:43,919
» Right. what they're looking at.

708
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:47,200
» Understood. Yeah. Any other discussion?

709
00:28:43,919 --> 00:28:50,799
» There's a m sure.

710
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:54,320
» Okay. I just real quickly going to uh I

711
00:28:50,799 --> 00:28:56,159
looked up the escooter event location is

712
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:58,799
to be determined, but it's on October

713
00:28:56,159 --> 00:29:01,520
3rd at 10:00 a.m.

714
00:28:58,799 --> 00:29:04,880
» Thank you.

715
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:06,960
» Thank you. So, there's a motion um on

716
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,799
the floor and a second to rename the

717
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:11,120
safety subcommittee to the safety and

718
00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:13,600
accessibility subcommittee. All those in

719
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,000
favor, please signify by saying I.

720
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:14,640
» I.

721
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,559
» I.

722
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:19,760
» Anyone oppose?

723
00:29:16,559 --> 00:29:20,799
Okay, thank you. Appreciate that

724
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,039
recommendation.

725
00:29:20,799 --> 00:29:24,080
» Before we leave this topic, may I ask a

726
00:29:23,039 --> 00:29:26,000
question?

727
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:28,399
» Um,

728
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,919
so as part of the infrastructure kind of

729
00:29:28,399 --> 00:29:32,399
subcategory,

730
00:29:29,919 --> 00:29:35,919
um during the work session back in

731
00:29:32,399 --> 00:29:38,480
March, I believe, uh we identified kind

732
00:29:35,919 --> 00:29:40,000
of street designs as a an opportunity

733
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,440
area

734
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,880
uh to look at. And I kind of want to tie

735
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,880
that back to the public comment that we

736
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:47,279
just received, you know, around our

737
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,600
street designs. Um, but I don't think I

738
00:29:47,279 --> 00:29:52,720
heard anything from the infrastructure

739
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:54,399
subcommittee around uh street designs in

740
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,320
general. It was the updates were a

741
00:29:54,399 --> 00:29:57,679
little bit more focused on the uh the

742
00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,000
investment planning and all that, which

743
00:29:57,679 --> 00:30:01,919
was another part that we had identified.

744
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,720
Is that still something that that the

745
00:30:01,919 --> 00:30:08,320
subcommittee is looking at or and simply

746
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:10,080
hasn't gotten to yet? um where you know

747
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:12,000
where does that kind of sit or is is

748
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:14,240
anybody covering that uh that street

749
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,760
design question because again like you

750
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,600
know just taking some of the public

751
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,919
feedback you know there's there's some

752
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:23,360
demand for making our streets a little

753
00:30:19,919 --> 00:30:25,600
bit more uh you know alternate transit

754
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:27,360
uh friendly right and so I don't want to

755
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,360
lose sight of that that's that topic

756
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,120
that we had discussed back in March

757
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:34,559
» Yeah we're supposed to meet in September

758
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:36,559
24th a couple weeks uh to discuss the

759
00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:36,880
street design and the UDO amendment for

760
00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:39,039
for

761
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:42,320
» Wonderful. Thank you. Sure.

762
00:30:39,039 --> 00:30:45,039
» And could I interject there as well? Um,

763
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:47,360
also as part of our peak plan, our

764
00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:50,720
comprehensive plan and transportation

765
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:52,799
plan update, the scope includes

766
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:57,279
examining our street sections and

767
00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:59,520
updating those based on um

768
00:30:57,279 --> 00:31:02,320
context area. Not to get into too much

769
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:05,440
detail right now, but the street might

770
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:08,159
look different in an area more uh

771
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:10,720
suitable and oriented toward walking,

772
00:31:08,159 --> 00:31:13,600
biking, taking the bus compared to other

773
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:17,440
areas. So that's part of that peak plan

774
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:19,840
scope um and will be included in the

775
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:24,039
public forum three as well as shared

776
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:24,039
with the board for

777
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:32,279
» Any other questions about subcommittee

778
00:31:29,279 --> 00:31:32,279
work.

779
00:31:33,919 --> 00:31:41,360
So, um, one of, um, the next, um, agenda

780
00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:43,600
item is bicycle outreach and engagement.

781
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:46,399
And, um, in our community outreach

782
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:48,320
subcommittee, we talked about, um,

783
00:31:46,399 --> 00:31:50,799
possible strategies for reaching

784
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:55,519
bicyclists. So, we put that as an agenda

785
00:31:50,799 --> 00:31:57,039
item to open it up for discussion to see

786
00:31:55,519 --> 00:31:59,840
what

787
00:31:57,039 --> 00:32:03,360
we have any ideas about ways, additional

788
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:06,960
ways um that we reach out and get more

789
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:09,120
input from the bicycle community. It

790
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:11,120
sounds like

791
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,960
the October 3rd date is great for us to

792
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,960
know because that that's part of that as

793
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,960
well.

794
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:22,960
So, we're looking for suggestions on how

795
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:26,080
to reach out to the bicycling community.

796
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:28,399
» I do have a quick question for some and

797
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:30,640
our public comment speaker may have some

798
00:32:28,399 --> 00:32:33,440
input on this. Um, are the trail heads

799
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:35,440
for like the tobacco trail. Is there

800
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,559
bulletin boards still? I used to run out

801
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,960
there and there used to be places where

802
00:32:36,559 --> 00:32:39,840
you could put information up and I

803
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,600
didn't know if we could do something

804
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:44,080
like a QR code or something to get

805
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,279
people like to do an input survey or

806
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,440
something kind of how we've talked about

807
00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:51,320
doing on the bus kind of in the same way

808
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,320
just to reach a different group.

809
00:32:52,399 --> 00:32:54,720
» I I don't know if that's still there. I

810
00:32:53,679 --> 00:32:56,240
go there once in a while but I don't

811
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,960
know if there's still a bulletin board

812
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,080
there or not.

813
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,440
» Yeah, I know there used to be. I just

814
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:02,399
don't know what this the setup looks

815
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:04,399
like out there anymore. One place I I I

816
00:33:02,399 --> 00:33:07,600
play disc golf at this nature park on

817
00:33:04,399 --> 00:33:10,240
Saturday mornings and there are bicycle

818
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:13,039
gatherings and literally

819
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:14,559
100 I don't know maybe 100 bicyclists.

820
00:33:13,039 --> 00:33:16,960
» Yeah. Like one cycling clubs.

821
00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:18,320
» Yeah. Yeah. Huge packs of bicycles going

822
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,080
up. And it' be a great place. You know,

823
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,640
it's more of a inerson kind of thing

824
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:24,640
than than posting or but you know I

825
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,080
don't know if that's a possibility. I

826
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,159
guess we have to figure out like if it's

827
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:31,519
a scheduled meeting every Saturday or if

828
00:33:28,159 --> 00:33:33,519
it's once a month or like if it's a a

829
00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:35,600
cycling shop organizing that to be able

830
00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:37,360
to

831
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:40,399
» Connect with them. I know like

832
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:42,720
meetup.com has Apologize I'm yelling

833
00:33:40,399 --> 00:33:44,559
over the train. Um meetup.com has like

834
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,960
cycling I'm sure and other hobby

835
00:33:44,559 --> 00:33:48,240
hobbyist kinds of things. Um that would

836
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,960
maybe be good outreach to talk to

837
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:53,120
cycling shops to see if they know um

838
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,559
some of those local gatherings. I can

839
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,799
try and talk to them when I'm there next

840
00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:58,880
and see where they're coming from, how

841
00:33:56,799 --> 00:34:00,000
to reach. It's a big It's a large number

842
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,360
of bicyclists.

843
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,799
» Yeah. Is there someone that's kind of

844
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,159
clearly they're a leader or organizer?

845
00:34:02,799 --> 00:34:05,600
» There's a pace car they have, you know,

846
00:34:04,159 --> 00:34:07,200
with flashing lights and stuff. So, I

847
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,440
mean, it's pretty serious, you know. So,

848
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:11,280
yeah.

849
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,440
» I've been keeping notes of Facebook

850
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,280
comments from serious cyclists who have

851
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,440
lots of opinions and seem to have

852
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,720
expertise and connections, so I can

853
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,599
share those with the subcommittee. I

854
00:34:18,720 --> 00:34:24,240
guess just a handful of folks who seem

855
00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:27,359
like they would be good resources.

856
00:34:24,240 --> 00:34:29,520
» There's there's also a um the Carolina

857
00:34:27,359 --> 00:34:33,440
Brewing Company has a cycling club. They

858
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:37,119
meet on Sundays, I believe. Uh but a lot

859
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:39,280
of people from Apex go um to uh you

860
00:34:37,119 --> 00:34:43,119
know, so there's there's some organized

861
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:47,359
clubs in the area like that.

862
00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:49,839
Is the thought that we're trying to get

863
00:34:47,359 --> 00:34:51,599
input from the cyclists on what they

864
00:34:49,839 --> 00:34:55,520
would like to see or are we trying to

865
00:34:51,599 --> 00:35:00,079
address identified concerns?

866
00:34:55,520 --> 00:35:01,920
» I think I think a little bit of both

867
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:03,040
learn more about the needs and

868
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:06,880
» Okay

869
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:09,200
» And uh we just haven't haven't focused

870
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:12,320
on that as much. So, we sort of felt

871
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:16,400
like there was opportunity for

872
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:18,560
gathering more information and then as

873
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:20,960
we're

874
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:24,000
having infrastructure

875
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:26,240
conversations and further conversations

876
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,760
about meeting the needs of bicyclists,

877
00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:28,800
making sure to share that information

878
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,800
back. So,

879
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,800
» Okay,

880
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,320
» Great. Well, thank y'all. Thank y'all.

881
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:40,320
That gives us a start and again we've

882
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,240
got a meeting coming up in a couple

883
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:45,200
weeks and that'll that'll help us have

884
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:47,520
further conversation about that topic.

885
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:49,920
At this point we'll um call on Katie.

886
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:53,480
She's going to talk to us about the 2035

887
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,480
weight bus plan.

888
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,359
Chair

889
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,640
just a point of uh clarification. I

890
00:35:59,359 --> 00:36:02,960
think we need to follow up on the

891
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,640
escooter event that's being held on the

892
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:08,400
October 3rd date because I'm not sure

893
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:11,359
that that's a town event. Um, and so I

894
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,800
want to clarify. Um, let us let us

895
00:36:11,359 --> 00:36:13,359
research that and follow back up with

896
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,079
you.

897
00:36:13,359 --> 00:36:16,000
» Okay.

898
00:36:14,079 --> 00:36:18,079
» Cuz that that may be something one of

899
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,760
the elected officials is hosting. Um,

900
00:36:18,079 --> 00:36:22,160
and so I just want I don't want this

901
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:24,960
committee to be misled or confused that

902
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:27,200
it's a townled event or town sponsored

903
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,320
event. So, let us reconnect on that and

904
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,599
we'll follow out

905
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,079
» Follow back up with you all.

906
00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:33,560
» Thank you.

907
00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:33,560
» Okay. Thank you.

908
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:42,160
» All right. I'm going to use this new

909
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:45,920
setup here. Um, do I have control of the

910
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:48,160
PowerPoint? Yes. Okay. Hello. Um, I'm

911
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:52,000
just here to give an overview of the

912
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:54,400
Wake bus plan update that is um in

913
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:57,280
progress currently.

914
00:36:54,400 --> 00:37:01,520
um give an overview of what what the

915
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:04,320
project is, how Apex fits into it, and

916
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:08,480
what you all can do to provide input um

917
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:11,839
to this this plan. Um so the Wake bus

918
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:14,720
plan is one of a few different types of

919
00:37:11,839 --> 00:37:17,200
plans that is part of the overall Wake

920
00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:19,359
Transit program. So, you're probably all

921
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:21,680
familiar with that program, but um just

922
00:37:19,359 --> 00:37:25,119
as a refresher, it's the countywide

923
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:27,359
investment strategy um for transit

924
00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:29,760
improvement and expansion in Wake County

925
00:37:27,359 --> 00:37:31,920
that is primarily funded through our

926
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:35,760
halfsent sales tax that was approved in

927
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:38,800
2016. Um and there's a myriad of

928
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:42,160
planning that gets done to ensure that

929
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:44,079
um there's, you know, investment that is

930
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:46,880
well thought out throughout the county.

931
00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:50,720
So, the Wake bus plan follows the

932
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:54,560
overall Wake Transit Plan update and it

933
00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:57,280
focuses just on bus services um and

934
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:59,760
associated capital projects. Um and it

935
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:02,640
also develops short range transit plans

936
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:04,400
for the main uh transit agencies in the

937
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:07,119
area which are Go Raleigh, Go Triangle,

938
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:09,280
and Go Kerry. Um, and those short-range

939
00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:11,839
transit plans are actually detailed to

940
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:14,079
the project level of identifying which

941
00:38:11,839 --> 00:38:16,640
routes are prioritized for funding

942
00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:18,880
within the next three years. Um, so it

943
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:21,599
gets pretty detailed.

944
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:24,000
Um, where it sits in the overall plan

945
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:26,720
hierarchy for Wake Transit is kind of

946
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:29,520
what I alluded to before. It's it's more

947
00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:34,560
detailed than the overall 10-year

948
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:36,720
strategy. Um, and it it kind of gets at

949
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:40,160
the bus service for those main three

950
00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:42,000
agencies. Um, and it's not the only

951
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:44,079
planning that gets done at that level.

952
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,240
There's also other planning um that we

953
00:38:44,079 --> 00:38:49,280
do as part of the CFA program and that

954
00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:52,720
gets done for other types of projects.

955
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:55,200
Um, so it does not include CFA projects.

956
00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:57,920
So Apex and all the other smaller

957
00:38:55,200 --> 00:39:02,880
municipalities are responsible for our

958
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:04,800
own detailed transit planning. Um and we

959
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:07,040
apply for funding through the CFA

960
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:10,000
program. So this bus plan does not cover

961
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:12,880
that program. Um, it also doesn't

962
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:15,040
include rail or other types of transit

963
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:19,040
projects that the overall strategy might

964
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:21,440
include. And it doesn't include projects

965
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:26,480
that those other agencies, GO Carry, Go

966
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:28,960
Triangle, and um, Go Raleigh might um,

967
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:31,599
uh, initiate that aren't funded through

968
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:33,280
the Wake Transit program. So they they

969
00:39:31,599 --> 00:39:35,200
have their own funding sources that they

970
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,880
might choose to fund projects through

971
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,880
and those wouldn't be included in this

972
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,960
because this is really feeding into what

973
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:43,200
what is funded through that that

974
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:45,760
program.

975
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:47,359
So I just said the CFA program which

976
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,880
we're a part of is is not part of this

977
00:39:47,359 --> 00:39:52,000
bus plan. So how is this relevant to

978
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:55,520
Apex? Um well we do have a pretty big

979
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:59,040
stake in this process because it leads

980
00:39:55,520 --> 00:40:03,119
to project ideas that could still serve

981
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:05,680
Apex. So the go triangle route 305, the

982
00:40:03,119 --> 00:40:08,160
the go triangle route 311 and the go

983
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:10,480
carry route 9 are all routes that are

984
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:12,480
funded through the wake transit program.

985
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:16,240
And the town of Apex doesn't put any

986
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:18,720
budget, you know, towards those routes

987
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:21,839
from from our town budget, but we still

988
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:24,240
benefit from them. Um, and so with the

989
00:40:21,839 --> 00:40:27,599
bus plan, now is the town's chance to

990
00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:29,359
weigh in on new proposed improvements

991
00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:34,640
and expansions, you know, into the

992
00:40:29,359 --> 00:40:39,040
future. Um, this plan will also

993
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:41,280
um look at ways to prioritize community

994
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:43,680
transportation hubs, which were

995
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:46,640
identified as a new item in the the

996
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:48,800
latest overall transit plan update that

997
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:51,200
was approved last year. And we think

998
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:54,880
Apex is a great place for a community

999
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:57,520
transportation hub and is a great um

1000
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:59,520
kind of uh match for what we're planning

1001
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:02,960
with the Apex mobility hub that we've

1002
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:04,960
talked to you all about before that um

1003
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:07,920
could be a potential future passenger

1004
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:10,240
rail station, bus transfer area, etc.

1005
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:12,640
So, so we're looking at at those through

1006
00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:14,400
that lens as well um from a staff point

1007
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:17,440
of view. But these are all things that

1008
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:20,480
are up for uh review and public comment

1009
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:23,520
as it goes through this wake bus plan

1010
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:25,520
update for potential funding.

1011
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:31,440
So where we are right now in the project

1012
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:33,200
is is phase one and that is really um

1013
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,760
what the what the project team is

1014
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:39,440
focusing on is gathering input from the

1015
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:43,920
public and stakeholders about what are

1016
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:47,280
what we prioritize first. Um,

1017
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:50,079
there's a public survey out right now

1018
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:51,440
that I'll get to in a in a minute that's

1019
00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:54,960
really just throwing a bunch of stuff

1020
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:56,720
out there and asking for reactions. Um,

1021
00:41:54,960 --> 00:42:01,040
it doesn't mean that any of those things

1022
00:41:56,720 --> 00:42:02,880
are set in stone yet. And um really that

1023
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:06,800
this this point of the project is

1024
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:09,520
gathering input. um into 2027 is when

1025
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:11,440
the project team is is planning to try

1026
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:14,960
to use that feedback to develop the list

1027
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:18,160
of recommendations and in which point

1028
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:22,000
there will be more for review and and

1029
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:24,880
comment on. Um, so the idea is to

1030
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:28,160
finalize this for

1031
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:30,160
summer 2027 with some projects

1032
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:32,880
potentially getting funding as as soon

1033
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:34,480
as FY28 depending on how the timing

1034
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,079
works.

1035
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:39,680
Um,

1036
00:42:36,079 --> 00:42:43,920
as far as our marketing for phase one,

1037
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:46,240
um, uh, one a member of the the Campo

1038
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:49,280
project team, uh, did a tableabling

1039
00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:52,400
event, um, totally like Spanish language

1040
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:55,680
focused at Compare Foods on August 5th.

1041
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:58,240
Um, our planning team sent out an email

1042
00:42:55,680 --> 00:43:01,119
blast on August 12th. Chris put up

1043
00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:03,200
flyers in our Go Apex bus shelters. And

1044
00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:05,280
then tomorrow we'll be outside of the

1045
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:09,200
Mason Street Municipal Building as part

1046
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:10,720
of our triit week um booth and we'll

1047
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:13,359
have information about this project as

1048
00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:16,400
well. Um we did get some preliminary um

1049
00:43:13,359 --> 00:43:20,079
feedback from the project team that go a

1050
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:22,480
that apex in general is um

1051
00:43:20,079 --> 00:43:24,880
proportionately over represented so far

1052
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:27,520
in the survey results which is a good

1053
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:29,920
thing for us because it means that more

1054
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:31,680
people from Apex are providing input

1055
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:35,440
than they would guess just based on our

1056
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:38,079
population proportion. So, it seems like

1057
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:40,160
the out outreach is working so far, but

1058
00:43:38,079 --> 00:43:42,400
we could always use more input as the

1059
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:45,119
project goes on.

1060
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:47,760
Um, oh, and yeah, and Gay signed up for

1061
00:43:45,119 --> 00:43:49,280
uh a slot tomorrow, so she'll be there,

1062
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:52,240
and Linda will also be there in the

1063
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:53,839
afternoon, so we're excited about that.

1064
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:56,000
Um, so I just wanted to give a quick

1065
00:43:53,839 --> 00:43:58,000
overview of the routing concepts. Um,

1066
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,800
has anyone actually taken the survey yet

1067
00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,200
by chance?

1068
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:00,000
» Yes.

1069
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,440
» Okay, awesome.

1070
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,160
» And attended one of the meetings.

1071
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:06,079
» Oh, great. Okay, awesome. Um,

1072
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,520
» And in person, a focus group.

1073
00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:11,359
» That's great. Yeah,

1074
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:13,040
» It's transit related. We're there.

1075
00:44:11,359 --> 00:44:14,400
» Um, so you're familiar with this, but

1076
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:17,200
for those who haven't taken it yet, I

1077
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:19,280
encourage you to take it. Um, there is a

1078
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:22,400
map that is currently only found within

1079
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:24,400
the survey itself that outlines some

1080
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,480
kind of initial proposed routing

1081
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:31,200
concepts that are in no way finalized,

1082
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:34,400
but are out there for reaction. Um, and

1083
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:36,720
the project team is seeking input. Apex

1084
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:39,119
staff did not develop these project

1085
00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:42,319
concepts, so we're reacting to them as

1086
00:44:39,119 --> 00:44:45,280
well as you right now. Um, but the

1087
00:44:42,319 --> 00:44:47,839
there's three that

1088
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:51,280
would serve Apex essentially. Um there's

1089
00:44:47,839 --> 00:44:54,880
a proposed go carry route 10 concept

1090
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:59,359
that um would travel from downtown Apex

1091
00:44:54,880 --> 00:45:03,599
to the Wake carry area through 1010 road

1092
00:44:59,359 --> 00:45:06,560
and Kildair Farm road um which would be

1093
00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:10,480
an hourlong runtime and would

1094
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:12,720
essentially be stylized as a go carry

1095
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,800
route if it if it gets prioritized for

1096
00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:18,079
funding.

1097
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:19,920
Um there's also a proposed new go

1098
00:45:18,079 --> 00:45:23,119
triangle route called the triangle

1099
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:25,920
regional express concept which would go

1100
00:45:23,119 --> 00:45:30,800
from Fuway Marina to Holly Springs to

1101
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:34,720
Apex and then get on 540 as an express

1102
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:36,720
to the regional transit center in RTP.

1103
00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:38,400
Um,

1104
00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:40,160
again, these are still conceptual, so

1105
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:43,520
the routing isn't finalized, but the

1106
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:46,560
idea would essentially be a connector to

1107
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:49,760
get, you know, folks from Fugua, Holly

1108
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:52,240
Springs, Apex to um regional

1109
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:54,400
connections.

1110
00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:57,359
And then there's also a proposed Apex

1111
00:45:54,400 --> 00:46:01,200
Raleigh Express which would replace Go

1112
00:45:57,359 --> 00:46:03,520
Triangle route 305 to try to streamline

1113
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:05,040
the routing from Apex to downtown

1114
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,960
Raleigh.

1115
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:10,240
um hopefully save a little time, but we

1116
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:13,680
we don't have any numbers yet on the

1117
00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:18,160
actual timing, but it would it's

1118
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:21,119
conceptualized to start at Vidia, go to

1119
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:25,119
downtown Apex, and then get on 64, hop

1120
00:46:21,119 --> 00:46:28,319
off at Tryan Road for Wake Med, and then

1121
00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:31,200
back onto the freeway to downtown

1122
00:46:28,319 --> 00:46:34,240
Raleigh.

1123
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:36,240
Um, and I'm I'm not going to go over

1124
00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:38,079
these in details, but there's basically

1125
00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:40,800
a question asking about reactions to

1126
00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:42,640
those routing concepts and then some

1127
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:45,839
kind of general kind of ranking

1128
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:48,079
questions about what types of priorities

1129
00:46:45,839 --> 00:46:50,880
um, respondents have for transit

1130
00:46:48,079 --> 00:46:52,880
improvements. So, you know, more

1131
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:55,040
amenities at bus stops, more crosswalks

1132
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,720
and sidewalks, what's the priority

1133
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:58,560
there? because there is funding for

1134
00:46:56,720 --> 00:47:03,200
pedestrian improvements associated with

1135
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:05,280
transit access in the plan. Um

1136
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:07,760
what types of services are the most

1137
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:10,000
important to focus on? That's you know

1138
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:14,319
up to individual respondents to

1139
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:17,680
determine. You kind of pull and um sort

1140
00:47:14,319 --> 00:47:19,359
um priorities.

1141
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:21,280
um

1142
00:47:19,359 --> 00:47:23,599
kind of similar question, what what

1143
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:25,119
types of service improvements

1144
00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:28,400
and then anything else you would like to

1145
00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:30,640
see. So, it's open-ended. Um so, I just

1146
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:32,480
wanted to bring attention to that and

1147
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:35,760
request that you take a look and and

1148
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:37,200
fill out the survey if you have time. Um

1149
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:39,280
we're still looking through it ourselves

1150
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:41,920
at the staff level, but I I already have

1151
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:43,599
some just, you know, conceptual

1152
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,760
questions for the project team that

1153
00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:47,359
we'll be working through. But I also

1154
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,520
just open the floor and if there's any

1155
00:47:47,359 --> 00:47:51,040
questions that we can either relay to

1156
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,880
the project team or that you just might

1157
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,400
have about the project.

1158
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,560
» Katie, will you be able to get the

1159
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:58,480
filtered survey responses for just the

1160
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:01,200
apex population?

1161
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:03,200
» Um I can request them.

1162
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:05,920
» I think that would be useful for us.

1163
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:07,839
» Yeah, I think it's um through public

1164
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:10,640
input and I believe that they have the

1165
00:48:07,839 --> 00:48:14,280
ability to do that. Um so I can I can

1166
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,280
request that. Yeah.

1167
00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:18,640
May I ask a question?

1168
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,400
» Yeah.

1169
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:23,520
» Um

1170
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:26,400
based on the proposed routes, the three

1171
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:29,839
routes that you just referred to,

1172
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:34,079
um is there any connectivity overlap or

1173
00:48:29,839 --> 00:48:38,040
conflict with our own go Apex bus routes

1174
00:48:34,079 --> 00:48:38,040
that we have been planning out?

1175
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,720
I'd say there's probably not that much

1176
00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:47,359
conflict actually with with what's

1177
00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:50,160
planned so far. The the emphasis is on

1178
00:48:47,359 --> 00:48:52,559
in the concepts that we've seen so far

1179
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:54,160
on making regional connections which we

1180
00:48:52,559 --> 00:48:57,359
didn't really focus on with the

1181
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:59,920
prioritization study. I did have a brief

1182
00:48:57,359 --> 00:49:03,760
discussion with the project team about

1183
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:06,240
the proposed change to the 305 into an

1184
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:09,440
more of an express route format because

1185
00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:12,880
right now the 305 does have local stops

1186
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:15,440
in town and it serves the um or was

1187
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:18,960
planning to serve the Pine Plaza Drive

1188
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:20,640
area. Um

1189
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:23,200
it the routing on the 305 has been

1190
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:24,640
shifted a little bit for um operational

1191
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,800
reasons for go triangle, but it was

1192
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:29,839
their intent to serve that area. And we

1193
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:33,040
just talked through potential timing of

1194
00:49:29,839 --> 00:49:37,599
Go Apex route 2 concept which would

1195
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:40,720
serve that area and and the the ARX

1196
00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:43,520
conversion and not wanting to leave a

1197
00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:46,240
gap where there wasn't um service in

1198
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:47,920
that area. Um, so that was like an early

1199
00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:49,680
piece of feedback I had for them. So I

1200
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:52,640
think the timing of that one is probably

1201
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:55,760
the the thing we would need to pay the

1202
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:59,520
closest attention to. Um, but as far as

1203
00:49:55,760 --> 00:50:01,520
the the Triangle Regional Express, um,

1204
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:04,720
there's

1205
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:06,079
um, it would only be um, an improvement

1206
00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:08,800
because it would provide access down to

1207
00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:11,359
Fugay, which we don't have right now. um

1208
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:14,000
and would still kind of mirror what we

1209
00:50:11,359 --> 00:50:16,400
have with the 311 um which has started

1210
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:17,920
up service in August. Um it doesn't

1211
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:21,520
actually go all the way down to Holly

1212
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:24,079
Springs or Peuway. Um so I'm rambling

1213
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:26,240
now, but there aren't actually a lot of

1214
00:50:24,079 --> 00:50:28,079
conflicts that I see. I think it it

1215
00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:32,000
would improve overall regional

1216
00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:34,960
connectivity without probably impacting

1217
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:37,119
our local connectivity too much.

1218
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:40,400
And would these routes

1219
00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:41,520
congregate in the um mobility hub that

1220
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:44,880
we were planning?

1221
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:46,319
» So they would they're all proposed a

1222
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:48,000
little bit differently, but a comment

1223
00:50:46,319 --> 00:50:50,960
from staff would be that we would need

1224
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:53,200
them to serve that location to provide,

1225
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:57,280
you know, transfer opportunities.

1226
00:50:53,200 --> 00:51:00,160
Um so that's a big priority for us. Um

1227
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:01,520
there the the concepts the routing

1228
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,200
hasn't been finalized, but that would be

1229
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:05,760
an important factor for us.

1230
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,760
» Thank you.

1231
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:10,640
I would say for the express route

1232
00:51:08,319 --> 00:51:12,880
replacing the go triangle 305 that in my

1233
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:15,520
observation there's lots of people apex

1234
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:18,640
people included who do use that to hop

1235
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:20,640
off at surprising kind of local stops.

1236
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:23,040
They're not using it just to go all the

1237
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:25,680
way to Raleigh. I think that classic

1238
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:28,000
commuter who's going from a suburb into

1239
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:29,839
Raleigh to work, that's not what in my

1240
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:32,720
experience the passengers look like in

1241
00:51:29,839 --> 00:51:35,440
the 305. So, I would hate to lose too

1242
00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:37,440
many of those intermediary stops. I

1243
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:39,280
mean, keeping Wake Carry is important

1244
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:41,599
and as you say, the Lake Pine Shopping

1245
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:43,680
Center, but then there's just odd

1246
00:51:41,599 --> 00:51:45,920
unusual stops where I'm not quite sure

1247
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:49,280
what people are getting off to do, but

1248
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:51,440
it's always been all the way along 305.

1249
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:53,200
Lots of people hop on and off rather

1250
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:55,119
than like I often find if I ride the

1251
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:57,280
305, I'm the only person left when we

1252
00:51:55,119 --> 00:51:58,800
get to Raleigh. People are not commuting

1253
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:01,119
directly to downtown Raleigh. They're

1254
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:03,200
getting off and in between places.

1255
00:52:01,119 --> 00:52:04,079
» Does the current 305 route go by Wake

1256
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,280
Mad Carry?

1257
00:52:04,079 --> 00:52:07,760
» Yeah, it sure does.

1258
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:10,480
» So, they're keeping some of the same.

1259
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:12,000
» Yes. Although, we should make a big

1260
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:14,400
stink about getting a much much better

1261
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,920
bus stop there.

1262
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:18,960
» We've talked a little bit about that,

1263
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:23,040
too. Yeah, that's a it's a challenging

1264
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:25,119
area for pedestrian connectivity. Um

1265
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:27,200
Yeah. But coming out of the hospital,

1266
00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:28,640
you know, I mean, for even a mammogram,

1267
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:32,640
for anything, it's like kind of a

1268
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:34,720
horrible, horrible place to wait.

1269
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,599
» Uh 305 goes to Holly Springs now,

1270
00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:37,680
doesn't it?

1271
00:52:35,599 --> 00:52:39,760
» Yeah. Now the 305 goes all the way down

1272
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:42,240
to the Walmart in Holly Springs.

1273
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:43,920
» And if they replace 305 with this

1274
00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:45,520
express, are we losing that kind of

1275
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,480
tail, the ability to go to Holly Springs

1276
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,640
from AF?

1277
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:50,880
» Yeah, that's a good point. So, it would

1278
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:53,440
essentially have to be replaced by that

1279
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:56,400
other route, the

1280
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:58,480
the Triangle Regional Express that would

1281
00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:00,720
go all the way down to Holly Springs and

1282
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:02,160
Fugquway. But that's a good point. Yeah.

1283
00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:03,599
So, the timing of that would be

1284
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:06,559
important, too.

1285
00:53:03,599 --> 00:53:08,640
» And the new 311 that goes up Highway 55,

1286
00:53:06,559 --> 00:53:11,599
that does go to Holly Springs Classic

1287
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:13,599
Park and ride spot. And well, just to

1288
00:53:11,599 --> 00:53:15,440
make a little comment about the 311

1289
00:53:13,599 --> 00:53:18,240
during the first two weeks it was in

1290
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:20,160
operation. I rode it for a curiosity.

1291
00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:22,240
Everyone else on it that Friday were

1292
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,760
they were curious riders. They the

1293
00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:25,760
drivers said they hadn't had anyone who

1294
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:28,319
was legitimately commuting. And on

1295
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:30,240
various transit posts, transit websites,

1296
00:53:28,319 --> 00:53:32,400
people make videos about transit. They

1297
00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:34,079
all were commenting that at least thus

1298
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:37,359
far in the first two weeks there weren't

1299
00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:39,920
any legitimate that no one saw a

1300
00:53:37,359 --> 00:53:42,720
legitimate person who parked and rode to

1301
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:45,119
a highpaying technology job in the

1302
00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:46,800
research triangle park that it was so

1303
00:53:45,119 --> 00:53:49,040
that's like really interesting whether

1304
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:51,760
the park and ride model I think we

1305
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:54,240
should watch 311. It'd be thrilling, you

1306
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:56,319
know, if they had 20 commuters riding

1307
00:53:54,240 --> 00:53:57,920
that repeatedly, you know, at least

1308
00:53:56,319 --> 00:54:00,400
during the morning and the afternoons.

1309
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:03,359
But thus far on the days that I rode,

1310
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:05,440
everyone was uh retired or disabled. And

1311
00:54:03,359 --> 00:54:07,280
they were just curious like not a single

1312
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:09,359
one of us were going to use it for any

1313
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:11,440
kind of employment purpose. And the

1314
00:54:09,359 --> 00:54:12,559
drivers kept asking, "Oh, are you going

1315
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:16,079
are you would you use this for a

1316
00:54:12,559 --> 00:54:17,599
commute?" No. No. No one ever was. So I

1317
00:54:16,079 --> 00:54:21,200
think we just need to watch it and think

1318
00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:23,599
about what are realistic expectations

1319
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:25,119
for a more affluent employed population

1320
00:54:23,599 --> 00:54:26,720
to use the bus.

1321
00:54:25,119 --> 00:54:28,640
» I wonder what their outreach efforts

1322
00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:31,200
look like if the if the route's fairly

1323
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:33,280
new with that parking ride. Like did you

1324
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,640
tell anybody that this was available

1325
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,160
that you could park and then get into

1326
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:37,760
your job at RTP?

1327
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,960
» Right. Outside of bus world. I think

1328
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,880
that's the problem. If you're a bus

1329
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:42,800
person and you follow the bus news then

1330
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:44,960
you saw it everywhere. Have we told the

1331
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:47,440
RTP companies, hey, if you've got staff

1332
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:49,119
over here that live this far out, we've

1333
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,800
got a route for them.

1334
00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:53,520
» I will say one other little thing about

1335
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:55,680
the 311 is Go Triangle is great about

1336
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:58,160
having a public comment period, and it's

1337
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:59,359
well promoted again to bus world. I

1338
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:01,520
don't know about promotion to the

1339
00:54:59,359 --> 00:55:03,520
general public, but they post service

1340
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:06,400
change comment periods on the bus stops

1341
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:08,000
and in the bus. And so I and I know

1342
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:10,319
there were other people the same way

1343
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:14,000
with the 311 service change. There were

1344
00:55:10,319 --> 00:55:17,760
three of my requested route changes for

1345
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:21,119
Apex residents on the 311. For example,

1346
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:23,839
now it stops at High House and 55 where

1347
00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:26,000
you can catch the Go Carry 4 and there's

1348
00:55:23,839 --> 00:55:28,079
a Walmart neighborhood mart on one side

1349
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,599
of the intersection, a Dollar Tree on

1350
00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:32,480
the other. And it was going to bypass

1351
00:55:29,599 --> 00:55:36,319
that. And now it's stopping at the

1352
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:38,720
Aldi's on uh Highway 55 in Apex where I

1353
00:55:36,319 --> 00:55:40,640
knew from a social media comments that

1354
00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:42,640
there are people who live near there who

1355
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:45,280
really wanted access to the bus. So for

1356
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:47,359
them the 311 rather than being regional,

1357
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:49,680
it can be a short hop towards downtown

1358
00:55:47,359 --> 00:55:51,440
Apex where they can catch the one. I

1359
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:53,680
mean that's in some ways the most

1360
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:55,839
valuable thing it does. And by that I

1361
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:57,760
mean maybe four or five people but you

1362
00:55:55,839 --> 00:55:59,920
know ridership is low. So getting a few

1363
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:01,599
more people to be able to catch into the

1364
00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:03,440
one which means they can catch into the

1365
00:56:01,599 --> 00:56:06,480
nine or they could go to the four and go

1366
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:10,079
to the depot. Just the universe kind of

1367
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:11,920
opens up but on its own go triangle they

1368
00:56:10,079 --> 00:56:13,440
were not going to do those stops. So it

1369
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:15,440
was a really good reminder to me that

1370
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:17,040
being loud and vocal and getting other

1371
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:19,440
people to say the same thing that you

1372
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:22,440
can change your route to serve our local

1373
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,440
population.

1374
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,280
Any

1375
00:56:31,359 --> 00:56:35,799
other comments or questions?

1376
00:56:37,359 --> 00:56:41,480
» Any other comments or questions?

1377
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,160
» Thank you, K.

1378
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:48,720
» Okay. Yeah, that was an action. Yeah.

1379
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:51,359
» Thank you so much.

1380
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:54,000
» Okay. This time we're gonna call on

1381
00:56:51,359 --> 00:56:58,440
Jenna to talk about letters of support

1382
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:58,440
for the infrastructure grants.

1383
00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:10,559
Hi, good evening. So this requested

1384
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:14,319
action is based on the task identified

1385
00:57:10,559 --> 00:57:15,839
in the group's annual task work plan.

1386
00:57:14,319 --> 00:57:18,079
So, at our last, excuse me, at our last

1387
00:57:15,839 --> 00:57:20,640
subcommittee meeting, we discussed

1388
00:57:18,079 --> 00:57:23,280
potentially giving the authority to the

1389
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:25,760
sub the infrastructure subcommittee

1390
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:28,000
to be able to sign infrastructure grant

1391
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:29,839
applications. And this is really in the

1392
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:32,559
event that there's not a regularly

1393
00:57:29,839 --> 00:57:35,200
scheduled MTAB meeting. And they would

1394
00:57:32,559 --> 00:57:36,640
be signed on behalf of the subcommittee.

1395
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:38,559
And yeah, just wanted to get this

1396
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:42,599
group's thoughts and see if this is

1397
00:57:38,559 --> 00:57:42,599
something you'd be interested in.

1398
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:48,400
I think it makes sense to be able to

1399
00:57:45,839 --> 00:57:49,680
look at grant applications and when they

1400
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,760
talk about signing the letters of

1401
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:54,160
support to be able to encourage the town

1402
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:56,799
to then apply for infrastructure grants

1403
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:58,960
» For the town to Yeah. All right. With a

1404
00:57:56,799 --> 00:58:02,000
letter on behalf of the subcommittee to

1405
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:02,400
support the town's grant application.

1406
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:03,920
Yeah,

1407
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:07,359
» I think that makes total sense. I mean,

1408
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:10,480
if we're trying to get things done,

1409
00:58:07,359 --> 00:58:13,119
» I agree cuz I think as a subcommittee,

1410
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:15,280
we would have more insight into the

1411
00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:18,400
short-term and long-term plans of the

1412
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:20,880
town and how the application would fit

1413
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:22,480
into that plan

1414
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,760
» And we would work with the staff to

1415
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:25,680
develop the letters. Correct.

1416
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:27,839
» Yeah. We dropped it up and then asked

1417
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:31,040
for review if that sounds good.

1418
00:58:27,839 --> 00:58:33,359
» Yeah. And and my question was that is um

1419
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:35,839
this would be the town wants to apply

1420
00:58:33,359 --> 00:58:39,040
for a grant. It may be helpful to have a

1421
00:58:35,839 --> 00:58:41,760
subcommittee submit a letter of support.

1422
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:43,839
» So it's essentially just supporting what

1423
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:46,319
the town is already planning to do.

1424
00:58:43,839 --> 00:58:48,480
» And if it fits into the larger MTABS

1425
00:58:46,319 --> 00:58:49,920
schedule, we may just bring it to the to

1426
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:52,079
we would bring it to this group. But if

1427
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:54,319
the timing doesn't work out Yeah.

1428
00:58:52,079 --> 00:58:58,240
» But we do only meet every other month.

1429
00:58:54,319 --> 00:58:58,880
So you don't want to slow things down.

1430
00:58:58,240 --> 00:58:59,200
Jenna.

1431
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,760
» Yeah.

1432
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:03,839
» Just a point of clarification again. The

1433
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:06,960
the letter would be on behalf of the

1434
00:59:03,839 --> 00:59:09,359
subcommittee or the full board,

1435
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:11,280
» Whoever signs it. Correct.

1436
00:59:09,359 --> 00:59:12,240
» If if it was signed by the subcommittee,

1437
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,040
it would be on behalf of the

1438
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:13,440
subcommittee.

1439
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:14,720
» Okay.

1440
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,400
» Is what we're proposing.

1441
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:17,599
» Okay.

1442
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:20,160
» So, the subcommittee would not

1443
00:59:17,599 --> 00:59:20,480
necessarily sign on behalf of the board.

1444
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:21,680
» Correct.

1445
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:22,160
» They would sign on behalf of the

1446
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,480
subcommittee

1447
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:25,839
» If it goes to them. That's correct.

1448
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:28,400
» That's what we're proposing. cuz I think

1449
00:59:25,839 --> 00:59:31,280
the idea is because we meet every other

1450
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:33,280
month if there's an application in the

1451
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:35,520
interim, not having to wait an entire

1452
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,720
two month period to sign that letter of

1453
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,200
support. Is that the thought?

1454
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:40,480
» That's correct.

1455
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:42,799
» Yes. Okay.

1456
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:45,520
And that makes

1457
00:59:42,799 --> 00:59:48,799
sense to me, too. What What discussion?

1458
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:51,200
Any other discussion?

1459
00:59:48,799 --> 00:59:54,920
If no discussion, um would someone like

1460
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:54,920
to entertain a motion?

1461
00:59:55,839 --> 00:59:59,200
» I move to grant authority to the

1462
00:59:57,599 --> 01:00:00,720
infrastructure subcommittee to sign

1463
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,720
letters of support for infrastructure

1464
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:06,920
grant applications.

1465
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:06,920
» I'll second that. This is K.

1466
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,319
» Thank you.

1467
01:00:08,799 --> 01:00:13,359
» Any discussion on that? Any more

1468
01:00:10,319 --> 01:00:15,359
discussion? Any questions?

1469
01:00:13,359 --> 01:00:18,079
If not,

1470
01:00:15,359 --> 01:00:19,040
okay. All those in favor, please signify

1471
01:00:18,079 --> 01:00:19,440
by saying I.

1472
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:20,319
» I.

1473
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,400
» I.

1474
01:00:20,319 --> 01:00:24,079
» Anyone oppose?

1475
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:26,640
Okay, that's great. I think that's a

1476
01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:29,359
great efficiency. That'll be great for

1477
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:32,000
y'all to review those. Okay, at this

1478
01:00:29,359 --> 01:00:34,319
point, we'll call on Chris uh Watson to

1479
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:37,640
just give us someformational updates.

1480
01:00:34,319 --> 01:00:37,640
Thanks, Chris.

1481
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:42,480
» Um, thank you. I do not have any

1482
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:45,280
specific highlights. I did just want to

1483
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:48,000
remind everyone um that some of the

1484
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:50,240
information that Katie presented on the

1485
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:52,480
weight bus plan materials and links are

1486
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:56,079
included in theformational items as well

1487
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:58,640
as some of the peak plan 2055 um

1488
01:00:56,079 --> 01:01:00,960
additional information and links as

1489
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:02,720
well. So, if you haven't already, um,

1490
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:05,040
please review those to learn more about

1491
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:06,960
both the W bus plan and upcoming PE plan

1492
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:08,319
items. And then the subcommittee meeting

1493
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:10,799
dates should also accurately be

1494
01:01:08,319 --> 01:01:11,839
reflected in theformational packet. But

1495
01:01:10,799 --> 01:01:14,839
other than that, do not have any other

1496
01:01:11,839 --> 01:01:14,839
highlights.

1497
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:24,880
A question on the

1498
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:26,000
ontime performance for bus route one. I

1499
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:28,559
don't know if it's because it's the

1500
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:30,880
summer seasonality, but there seems to

1501
01:01:28,559 --> 01:01:33,040
be a continuing negative trend of

1502
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:36,640
on-time performance

1503
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:38,559
from April to through July from 85% to

1504
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:40,559
75.6%.

1505
01:01:38,559 --> 01:01:42,400
Do we know why?

1506
01:01:40,559 --> 01:01:43,920
» Yeah, I know we've had some incidents um

1507
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:45,359
during that time period, but I'll first

1508
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:46,880
hand it over to Katie in case you want

1509
01:01:45,359 --> 01:01:50,880
to provide any specific context with

1510
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:53,760
some of those specific percentages.

1511
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:56,240
Um, so we're up I'm looking at the graph

1512
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:56,799
right now. Can you hear me? Sorry.

1513
01:01:56,240 --> 01:02:01,839
» Yes.

1514
01:01:56,799 --> 01:02:05,359
» Um, and we're it looks like for FY26

1515
01:02:01,839 --> 01:02:07,200
we're in the 80s. So I'm I'm I'm

1516
01:02:05,359 --> 01:02:09,599
wondering if you're looking at the the

1517
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:12,240
wrong fiscal year on the graph because I

1518
01:02:09,599 --> 01:02:13,599
know last year we did have some ontime

1519
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:16,720
issues primarily.

1520
01:02:13,599 --> 01:02:20,000
» No. So, right. So, FY26, but then the

1521
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:22,559
first month being July continuing to dip

1522
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:25,599
and wanting to know outside of the two

1523
01:02:22,559 --> 01:02:27,839
incidents mentioned on July 7th and July

1524
01:02:25,599 --> 01:02:29,359
20th, is there any other known

1525
01:02:27,839 --> 01:02:31,280
explanation?

1526
01:02:29,359 --> 01:02:32,880
» Um, I don't have those details.

1527
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:34,640
» Okay.

1528
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:36,720
Well, I have theories about this. As a

1529
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:38,960
bus rider, it's very concerning to me

1530
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:41,359
that the bus is being detourred through

1531
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:44,400
the Salem Streetscape construction zone

1532
01:02:41,359 --> 01:02:47,359
and that forces it over both sets of

1533
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:49,839
railroad tracks at Hunter across from

1534
01:02:47,359 --> 01:02:51,760
Town Hall. So, it's not just, you know,

1535
01:02:49,839 --> 01:02:53,280
we saw in the incidents that a bus

1536
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:56,319
missed a loop entirely because of the

1537
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:59,200
railroad tracks. It's routine. I took

1538
01:02:56,319 --> 01:03:01,440
the bus yesterday on the first stop

1539
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:04,079
coming out of the construction zone at

1540
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:06,880
Suvita grocery store and it was already

1541
01:03:04,079 --> 01:03:10,000
10 minutes late which is you know pretty

1542
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:12,640
unacceptable that early in the route.

1543
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:15,200
The other issue that's happening is

1544
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:17,760
there's a forced disembarkment at the

1545
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:21,520
municipal building and this partially

1546
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:23,520
explains boarding counts as well. So try

1547
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:26,000
to put this in context. Normally if I

1548
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:29,119
ride go Apex to a destination I board

1549
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:31,520
once, ride it to Walmart, reboard and

1550
01:03:29,119 --> 01:03:33,760
take the bus close to home. Now what

1551
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:36,400
happens and this happens almost in every

1552
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:38,799
round trip. You go through the municipal

1553
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:41,920
building layover point. You used to be

1554
01:03:38,799 --> 01:03:43,839
able to stay on that bus. You know it's

1555
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:46,559
only there for 3 to 10 minutes. So you

1556
01:03:43,839 --> 01:03:48,720
stay in the air conditioning etc. But

1557
01:03:46,559 --> 01:03:50,559
now it's a forced disembarkment since

1558
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:53,280
midappril. And that explains some of

1559
01:03:50,559 --> 01:03:56,319
these numbers. So everyone has to get

1560
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:58,559
off. Not great for weather exposure, for

1561
01:03:56,319 --> 01:04:01,440
safety, all kinds of problems. And then

1562
01:03:58,559 --> 01:04:04,240
you reboard. So my trip that's two

1563
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:06,960
segments now is always counting as three

1564
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:08,880
segments. So that inflates numbers, but

1565
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:12,880
it's well known that the process of

1566
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:15,599
boarding and disembarking slows down bus

1567
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:17,280
service. So that's just another thing at

1568
01:04:15,599 --> 01:04:18,720
the missile building. Every single time

1569
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:21,039
they have to wait for everyone to get

1570
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:23,440
off. in some cases, but someone who

1571
01:04:21,039 --> 01:04:26,160
requires the ramp to walk off on because

1572
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:28,960
of the steep boarding slope and then

1573
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:30,799
because of now staff disagree with me. I

1574
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:33,119
believe that it's the detour and the

1575
01:04:30,799 --> 01:04:36,240
railroad tracks are a big reason the bus

1576
01:04:33,119 --> 01:04:38,640
is in my mind almost always behind

1577
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:40,480
schedule. Staff think it's traffic on

1578
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:43,280
Highway 55, which would certainly be a

1579
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:46,240
factor, but the the bus is behind

1580
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:47,680
schedule. So, the drivers are losing

1581
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:50,319
their break. They don't get a lunch

1582
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:52,480
break. only break they get is at the

1583
01:04:50,319 --> 01:04:54,240
municipal building transfer point. So if

1584
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:55,599
they're behind schedule and they only

1585
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:56,880
get two minutes, they don't even have

1586
01:04:55,599 --> 01:04:58,880
time to go to the restroom, eat a

1587
01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:01,039
banana, smoke a cigarette. The drivers

1588
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:02,240
are speeding up once they're on the

1589
01:05:01,039 --> 01:05:05,039
route, once they get out of the

1590
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:07,520
construction zone. It used to be that Go

1591
01:05:05,039 --> 01:05:09,920
Apex would travel 15 to 20 m an hour.

1592
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:11,920
It's really slow because it's usually

1593
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:13,680
empty. It's usually doing the route and

1594
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:16,079
not stopping to pick people up. So the

1595
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:18,240
risk is normally ahead of schedule. Now

1596
01:05:16,079 --> 01:05:21,359
the bus is coming out of downtown behind

1597
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:23,680
schedule and loop after loop after loop

1598
01:05:21,359 --> 01:05:26,960
and the drivers are picking up speed.

1599
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:29,599
They're going like 45 to 50 m an hour on

1600
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:32,079
these rinky dink little buses, an Arbach

1601
01:05:29,599 --> 01:05:34,160
and a Champion. And this is documented

1602
01:05:32,079 --> 01:05:36,319
in videos. We're bumping and we're

1603
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:37,599
rattling and people are going airborne.

1604
01:05:36,319 --> 01:05:40,880
People are being tossed out of their

1605
01:05:37,599 --> 01:05:43,359
seats by a speeded up bus. So very

1606
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:46,079
strange things are happening with the

1607
01:05:43,359 --> 01:05:48,559
drivers compensating for the detour,

1608
01:05:46,079 --> 01:05:50,720
pulling into the municipal building a

1609
01:05:48,559 --> 01:05:52,319
little bit late, dumping passengers off,

1610
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:54,559
racing to the restroom, making cell

1611
01:05:52,319 --> 01:05:57,119
phone calls, picking up passengers. You

1612
01:05:54,559 --> 01:05:58,720
can see how quickly we're late again,

1613
01:05:57,119 --> 01:05:59,920
loop after loop, and then you get a

1614
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:02,400
train there, and you kind of see why,

1615
01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:05,680
well, they just give up on finishing a

1616
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:08,000
1-hour route.

1617
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:09,680
» No, thank you. That actually answers my

1618
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:11,920
next question which would be what to

1619
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:13,760
explain or how to explain the increase

1620
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:17,280
starting in May but your forced

1621
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:19,920
disembarkment just explain that. So are

1622
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:22,400
we. So what what changed in in April May

1623
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:23,200
to that people cannot stay on the bus?

1624
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:24,799
Do we know?

1625
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:26,880
» I'm sorry. Say that louder.

1626
01:06:24,799 --> 01:06:31,359
» So what what changed in April or May

1627
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:33,839
with the disembarkment? is go carry the

1628
01:06:31,359 --> 01:06:36,240
Cary decision is that they were g what

1629
01:06:33,839 --> 01:06:38,079
go carries transit director said to me

1630
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:40,400
and I'll let staff correct with their

1631
01:06:38,079 --> 01:06:43,119
own interpretation but what I was told

1632
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:45,119
is that it's always been the policy is

1633
01:06:43,119 --> 01:06:47,440
that just drivers have always been

1634
01:06:45,119 --> 01:06:50,240
ignoring it and now that the municipal

1635
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:52,720
building has a little tiny shelter it's

1636
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:55,440
two seats and a wheelchair space a

1637
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:58,480
little shelter that go triangle paid for

1638
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:59,760
for the 305 that sort of let them say,

1639
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:01,200
"Well, we're going to force people off

1640
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:03,359
the bus, but they have somewhere to

1641
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:05,680
stand or sit as protection from the

1642
01:07:03,359 --> 01:07:06,400
rain." And that led them to enforce this

1643
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:07,920
policy.

1644
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:09,920
» But then when people get back on the

1645
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:11,280
bus, we count them again. Like, so

1646
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:13,039
somebody sitting there with a clicker

1647
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:13,520
going like, "Oh, yep. We got another

1648
01:07:13,039 --> 01:07:15,280
rider."

1649
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:17,359
» And so now that it took a little

1650
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:19,280
conversation, right, to get Terry

1651
01:07:17,359 --> 01:07:21,599
decision makers to admit that in fact it

1652
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:23,520
did help a lot with boarding statistics

1653
01:07:21,599 --> 01:07:26,000
for the Go Carry 9, which is low

1654
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:29,119
ridership, and for Go apex number one.

1655
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:31,839
forces an extra up and down. But there's

1656
01:07:29,119 --> 01:07:33,839
also the whole security issue that the

1657
01:07:31,839 --> 01:07:36,559
percentage of homeless riders is

1658
01:07:33,839 --> 01:07:39,520
increasing fast and furious. When we

1659
01:07:36,559 --> 01:07:43,280
went to a vision zero safety conference

1660
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:45,280
as part of the go apex delegation, a

1661
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:47,599
police sergeant from Apex police was

1662
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:49,839
there and he was the first person to me

1663
01:07:47,599 --> 01:07:52,559
who confirmed that ridership

1664
01:07:49,839 --> 01:07:55,039
demographics have 100% changed. We are

1665
01:07:52,559 --> 01:07:56,799
so likely in the winter most passengers

1666
01:07:55,039 --> 01:07:58,559
were homeless. They were coming from

1667
01:07:56,799 --> 01:08:01,119
Raleigh or Kerry, sleeping on the go

1668
01:07:58,559 --> 01:08:03,599
apex bus. And so part of the force

1669
01:08:01,119 --> 01:08:06,880
disembarkment is about homeless

1670
01:08:03,599 --> 01:08:08,640
passengers. It makes it a less desirable

1671
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:10,799
route. It used to be if you never had to

1672
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:12,960
disembark, you could go back and sleep

1673
01:08:10,799 --> 01:08:15,520
and just circle hour after hour after

1674
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:17,279
hour. Go Apex One was the best place to

1675
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:18,880
sleep if you were homeless and it was

1676
01:08:17,279 --> 01:08:20,400
usually an empty bus. No one was going

1677
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:22,239
to bother you. you go to the back and

1678
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:23,600
you never have to get out. So that's

1679
01:08:22,239 --> 01:08:26,000
part of it. But if you're going to force

1680
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:28,000
the homeless to get off the bus every

1681
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:30,080
hour, so it's a less desirable place to

1682
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:32,719
sleep. What happens is if you have

1683
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:35,600
someone like me, an older woman who's

1684
01:08:32,719 --> 01:08:37,199
housed, it's now me plus the homeless

1685
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:39,440
passenger who's sitting at the municipal

1686
01:08:37,199 --> 01:08:41,279
building. The drivers with their radio

1687
01:08:39,440 --> 01:08:43,520
connection dispatched, they go to the

1688
01:08:41,279 --> 01:08:45,279
back. So they're a little more safe from

1689
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:47,839
the homeless. I had my first experience

1690
01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:49,920
of being panhandled at the municipal

1691
01:08:47,839 --> 01:08:51,759
building. And this was in the morning.

1692
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:54,080
It was like 10:30 in the morning. But

1693
01:08:51,759 --> 01:08:56,080
the homeless fellow waited until there

1694
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:57,279
was no one. There weren't dog walkers.

1695
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:59,359
There weren't employees. There wasn't

1696
01:08:57,279 --> 01:09:02,480
cars. And came over and asked for money.

1697
01:08:59,359 --> 01:09:04,400
And I was okay saying no. But a few

1698
01:09:02,480 --> 01:09:07,440
moments later, his buddy, a second

1699
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:09,359
homeless person, got off the 305. And

1700
01:09:07,440 --> 01:09:11,120
now it was me plus two homeless men. And

1701
01:09:09,359 --> 01:09:13,600
you just think about that, right? If

1702
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:15,279
this had been a late route, if it had

1703
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:17,199
been after dark, the municipal building

1704
01:09:15,279 --> 01:09:19,520
is closed, there's inadequate lighting,

1705
01:09:17,199 --> 01:09:20,960
there's no security, unlike the other

1706
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:22,960
transfer points where the homeless

1707
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:25,679
congregate, we don't have a security

1708
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:28,080
guard there. That for me it meant do not

1709
01:09:25,679 --> 01:09:30,880
ride at night, right? That there's just

1710
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:33,279
enough of a risk of some pressure of it

1711
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:37,040
feeling less safe. So there's all those

1712
01:09:33,279 --> 01:09:39,199
complicated factors of why go carry is

1713
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:41,040
doing forced disembarkment. The final

1714
01:09:39,199 --> 01:09:42,799
thing and you're being nice to let me

1715
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:45,279
talk about this. It's a burning issue in

1716
01:09:42,799 --> 01:09:46,880
my head is if you are someone like me,

1717
01:09:45,279 --> 01:09:48,640
someone or someone older or someone with

1718
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:50,960
walking cane and you have trouble with

1719
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:53,520
the boarding slope and now we're forcing

1720
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:56,239
us to do an extra up and down. For me

1721
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:59,199
personally, the down hurts more than

1722
01:09:56,239 --> 01:10:01,199
going up for my injured hand. Then for

1723
01:09:59,199 --> 01:10:03,040
me it was the final straw. I try not to

1724
01:10:01,199 --> 01:10:05,520
ride go apex anymore. I mean that was

1725
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:07,199
just it. We have a detour. We have a

1726
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:08,880
sleep soap. We don't have enough weather

1727
01:10:07,199 --> 01:10:11,120
protection. we have less security

1728
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:13,040
concerns. And then finally, the up and

1729
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:15,120
down. It's more serious than you might

1730
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:16,480
think for the vulnerable passengers. If

1731
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:19,040
you're young, able-bodied, really

1732
01:10:16,480 --> 01:10:21,280
athletic, then it's not that much of a

1733
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:24,320
big deal unless it's extreme heat and

1734
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:28,159
rain. But for others of us, it was sort

1735
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:29,280
of a final straw there.

1736
01:10:28,159 --> 01:10:30,400
» Thank you.

1737
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:30,960
» Thank you.

1738
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:32,400
» I'm also

1739
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:35,440
» I did want to point out a few things.

1740
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:38,560
So, we did increase the level of service

1741
01:10:35,440 --> 01:10:41,760
provided in April. um and it continues

1742
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:46,320
to increase since then. So I don't think

1743
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:49,520
the wrership increases, you know, 100%

1744
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:52,640
due to the the Mason Street Municipal

1745
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:55,360
Building um policy enactment um by

1746
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:56,960
Goary. Um

1747
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:58,560
additionally, I just wanted to point out

1748
01:10:56,960 --> 01:11:01,040
that some of Elizabeth's comments are

1749
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:04,000
speculative. we don't have confirmation

1750
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:07,199
of all of these items and we have other

1751
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:09,280
anecdotal evidence that that you know is

1752
01:11:07,199 --> 01:11:10,880
not necessarily corroborating all that

1753
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:12,400
information. So I do want to point that

1754
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:14,000
out that this is one person's

1755
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:16,400
observation

1756
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:18,320
and you know we do continue to work with

1757
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:20,400
goary to make sure we're providing a

1758
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:23,440
good service. So I I do really want to

1759
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:25,679
point that out.

1760
01:11:23,440 --> 01:11:27,199
» Thank you. I also wonder if some of this

1761
01:11:25,679 --> 01:11:28,719
discussion can also be appropriate for

1762
01:11:27,199 --> 01:11:30,239
the safety subcommittee to continue to

1763
01:11:28,719 --> 01:11:32,960
kind of brainstorm some of these

1764
01:11:30,239 --> 01:11:34,320
concerns and mitigation strategies um

1765
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:36,400
just because there's a lot that you

1766
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:39,440
brought up.

1767
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:42,960
» I think also to know your question about

1768
01:11:39,440 --> 01:11:45,120
um delays um for example last couple

1769
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:47,120
weeks there was a small delay when the

1770
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:48,719
senior center was closed. Uh some of the

1771
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:50,239
construction workers were parking their

1772
01:11:48,719 --> 01:11:53,760
vehicles in that circle lot. So, I mean,

1773
01:11:50,239 --> 01:11:56,159
that was a simple, quick fix, but those

1774
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:57,440
um routes, those trips were probably

1775
01:11:56,159 --> 01:11:59,440
going to be delayed, too. So, it's

1776
01:11:57,440 --> 01:12:00,719
probably a combination of some of the

1777
01:11:59,440 --> 01:12:03,840
concerns that Elizabeth brought up and

1778
01:12:00,719 --> 01:12:04,960
also just some, you know, day-to-day

1779
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:07,679
impacts.

1780
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:07,679
» Sure.

1781
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:18,159
So, so the April, May, June 2026 numbers

1782
01:12:16,159 --> 01:12:21,360
reflect the

1783
01:12:18,159 --> 01:12:22,880
change in service frequency. So, the

1784
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:24,960
numbers went up, the the ridership

1785
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:26,800
numbers went up, but the the boarding

1786
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:28,320
per trip and the cost went down and the

1787
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:31,040
cost went up a little bit. Is that fair

1788
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:33,199
to say? Okay.

1789
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:34,880
» And that is average boardings per trip

1790
01:12:33,199 --> 01:12:36,239
rather than per hour.

1791
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:39,440
» Mhm. So, it's not like you're dividing

1792
01:12:36,239 --> 01:12:41,040
that by two buses.

1793
01:12:39,440 --> 01:12:41,360
» I don't believe that's how that's split

1794
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:44,080
up.

1795
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:47,440
» Yeah. Revenue hour basically means for

1796
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:52,480
one vehicle. So, if we have two vehicles

1797
01:12:47,440 --> 01:12:55,520
in service, um that's per vehicle.

1798
01:12:52,480 --> 01:12:57,199
» So, like in J July, we think during an

1799
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:59,440
hour with two different buses, there

1800
01:12:57,199 --> 01:13:01,120
were over five people

1801
01:12:59,440 --> 01:13:02,239
riding during that hour. Is that what

1802
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:05,800
the statistic means?

1803
01:13:02,239 --> 01:13:05,800
» Correct. Yep.

1804
01:13:11,199 --> 01:13:14,640
Except of course you didn't have to

1805
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:16,159
recalculate based on the forced boarding

1806
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:18,560
at the municipal building. See it gets

1807
01:13:16,159 --> 01:13:21,560
really tricky to convert this into human

1808
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:21,560
beings.

1809
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:32,719
Could I just ask one question? label of

1810
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:35,840
average boarding per trip and maybe it

1811
01:13:32,719 --> 01:13:37,840
was discussed how do we define trip?

1812
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:39,679
» What is a trip?

1813
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:42,640
» What is a trip?

1814
01:13:39,679 --> 01:13:45,199
» Um so the official measurement for

1815
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:47,679
transit ridership is called an unlin

1816
01:13:45,199 --> 01:13:50,640
passenger trip which is one person

1817
01:13:47,679 --> 01:13:56,239
boarding and one person al lighting the

1818
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:58,800
bus. Um so it's it's um not a round

1819
01:13:56,239 --> 01:14:02,000
trip. It's not somebody transferring to

1820
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:06,400
two different buses. It's one one body

1821
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:10,960
on one boarding.

1822
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:13,920
» So So one body. So if me and Sam are

1823
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:15,040
there, if I board, is it a trip?

1824
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:17,760
» Yep.

1825
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:19,120
» And just because she's waiting, that's a

1826
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:21,360
trip or she doesn't even need to be

1827
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:22,159
involved.

1828
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:23,840
» I'm not sure.

1829
01:14:22,159 --> 01:14:25,040
» Get on the bus, then it doesn't count.

1830
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:26,640
» It doesn't count, right? Yeah. So

1831
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:28,400
waiting passenger doesn't count just

1832
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:30,640
once you get on. But even if you go just

1833
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:31,520
to one next step it's still a complete

1834
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:32,480
trip.

1835
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:34,800
» Correct. Yeah.

1836
01:14:32,480 --> 01:14:37,280
» Versus somebody who went to the from the

1837
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:37,600
start to the end that's also a trip.

1838
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:40,239
Correct.

1839
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:41,920
» Correct. Yeah. And larger agencies are

1840
01:14:40,239 --> 01:14:44,000
required to measure something called

1841
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:45,920
passenger miles traveled which kind of

1842
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:49,520
gets that that that statistic that

1843
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:52,400
you're getting at. Um, but we don't we

1844
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:54,560
don't get that to that level of detail

1845
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:55,360
of like how many miles people are

1846
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:56,159
traveling.

1847
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:58,000
» Got it.

1848
01:14:56,159 --> 01:15:00,000
» Could we do we have the technology to

1849
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:02,640
look at that?

1850
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:04,000
» Um, go Carrie probably has the

1851
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:07,600
technology to do that through their

1852
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:09,760
APCs, but we it's not part of our

1853
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:14,760
contract to necessarily get it. We could

1854
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:14,760
request information on that.

1855
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:21,800
Thank you.

1856
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:26,480
» Sorry, one more question,

1857
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:30,719
» Please.

1858
01:15:26,480 --> 01:15:33,600
» The ontime percentage on page 72

1859
01:15:30,719 --> 01:15:36,640
versus the ontime

1860
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:38,159
percentage on page

1861
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:41,640
76.

1862
01:15:38,159 --> 01:15:41,640
What's the difference

1863
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:49,120
» For a specific month or

1864
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:50,960
» Let's just say June it says 94.4%

1865
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:53,280
on page 70.

1866
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:56,000
» Uh it's paratransit the doortodoor

1867
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:59,280
service for disabled people is on the

1868
01:15:56,000 --> 01:16:03,239
low second set. Yes. Versus a fixed bus

1869
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:03,239
route. Got it.

1870
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:08,719
» And why is one higher than the other on

1871
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:11,600
time?

1872
01:16:08,719 --> 01:16:14,880
So the door-todoor service is a

1873
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:18,320
reservationbased trip service. Um so

1874
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:20,640
those are a separate set of ridership um

1875
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:22,719
that are it's calculated differently. So

1876
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:24,960
those are the the vans that will pick

1877
01:16:22,719 --> 01:16:28,159
folks up and drop them off at a specific

1878
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:30,080
address. Um and so they're they're

1879
01:16:28,159 --> 01:16:32,080
they're a different form of travel and

1880
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:36,480
so we have to report those numbers

1881
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:38,320
differently to FTA and to um our funding

1882
01:16:36,480 --> 01:16:40,480
partners. Um so it's just they're

1883
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:43,719
considered different data sets.

1884
01:16:40,480 --> 01:16:43,719
» Thank you.

1885
01:16:54,880 --> 01:17:00,360
Any other questions on the info items?

1886
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:09,960
Okay, next up is other business.

1887
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:09,960
» Thank you.

1888
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:19,280
» Thank you. Okay, this is the um other

1889
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:22,320
business section where any board member

1890
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:24,400
can bring up anything um to introduce a

1891
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:27,600
topic that's not included on the regular

1892
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:29,840
agenda. Does anybody have um one of

1893
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:32,080
those items they'd like to discuss or

1894
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:35,080
bring to the bring to the advisory

1895
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:35,080
board?

1896
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:48,400
Okay,

1897
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:50,159
seeing none, if we don't have any other

1898
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:51,600
business,

1899
01:17:50,159 --> 01:17:53,120
» Just one comment about you'll see

1900
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:57,520
November 4th is our next meeting. Just a

1901
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:59,360
reminder with the um proposal. Yeah.

1902
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:00,960
» And we'll send out reminders before

1903
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:04,400
» Next regular meetings, Wednesday,

1904
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:07,920
November 4th. Um it'll be here before we

1905
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:10,560
know it. So again, um, to everybody,

1906
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:12,560
happy transit week and I appreciate all

1907
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:14,719
the works everybody done and I believe

1908
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:16,159
this is a first.

1909
01:18:14,719 --> 01:18:18,239
» Get out a little early.

1910
01:18:16,159 --> 01:18:19,760
» We need to move to ajourn.

1911
01:18:18,239 --> 01:18:20,560
» Yes, it will. Um,

1912
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:22,480
» So moved.

1913
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:24,080
» Yeah. Do we have a second?

1914
01:18:22,480 --> 01:18:26,320
» I second it. Second.

1915
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:27,920
» Okay, we have a motion, a second. All in

1916
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:32,000
favor of adjourning?

1917
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:33,679
» I Anyone oppose and stay long.

1918
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:37,480
» Thank you guys so much. Great work

1919
01:18:33,679 --> 01:18:37,480
everybody. Thank you.

1920
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:42,360
» Wow,

1921
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:42,360
» That's official.