[0:05] Um, hello everybody. Would like to um go
[0:09] ahead and call the multimodal
[0:10] transportation advisory board committee
[0:13] um together today again. And I hope
[0:16] everybody's had a great summer. And I
[0:18] want to remind everybody, and we'll talk
[0:20] about this throughout the meeting, but
[0:21] um it's triit week September 8th through
[0:24] 12th.
[0:26] So, there's a lot of events going on and
[0:28] we'll talk more about those today, but
[0:30] uh just excited about the week so that
[0:32] we can do our extra promotions of
[0:35] transit during this week. Um um hey
[0:39] there. Um it looks like um we have um
[0:44] someone here from the community for the
[0:46] public comment. So, I'd like to call up
[0:50] Sandy Miller. Sandy, if you wouldn't
[0:52] mind coming up, we'd love to hear from
[0:54] you um to share your comments. I believe
[0:58] they may have discussed with you. Hey,
[1:00] welcome. Welcome. We appreciate you
[1:01] coming tonight. We usually don't get
[1:03] visitors, so we're excited. Anytime the
[1:04] community can come,
[1:07] share comments that. But now, Jen had
[1:09] mentioned that you all meet and she
[1:11] knows I do a fair amount of cycling. And
[1:13] » Excuse me, can you step up to please?
[1:15] » So, we'd like for you to come on up. So,
[1:17] come on up and give us your name and um
[1:20] where you live and we've got three can
[1:22] give you three minutes um to share um
[1:25] your thoughts and comments to our um
[1:28] advisory board.
[1:29] » Okie do. Um Sandy Miller um 103 Halls
[1:34] Court um just kind of down the hill in
[1:36] the Ape or Heatherwood Town Homes. Um
[1:40] like I said, uh Jen had mentioned, you
[1:42] know, you all do this and she said,
[1:43] "Well, you cycle. Do you have any
[1:45] thoughts or out?" I was like, "Well,
[1:46] I'll shoot." Um, so I usually disappear
[1:50] from my front door and head basically
[1:53] west, but I end up going through Apex to
[1:56] do so. Um, somewhere between
[2:01] 25 and 45 miles and kind of out and
[2:04] about. Um, going through uh like the
[2:08] roads like in Apex. Um, roads are in
[2:12] great shape and you know, curbing and
[2:13] lights and whatnot. And I've got three
[2:15] blinkers um on my bike and loud
[2:18] obnoxious clothing. So um I'm if you're
[2:22] going to hit me, you're going to have to
[2:23] try. Um so um let's see. And I've I've
[2:27] really not had any issues um with, you
[2:30] know, getting run off the road or
[2:32] anything like that. Knock on something.
[2:34] Um there have been a couple of occasions
[2:37] I know and I don't know like I asked Jan
[2:39] I said well you know uh in town, out of
[2:42] town and she said whatever.
[2:44] Okay. So, um there are some um in town
[2:48] when roads have been improved um if you
[2:52] will and say if one is coming like into
[2:55] Apex off of um on old one and um there's
[3:00] a neighborhood on the left and they
[3:02] wanted to restrict
[3:04] people coming out of that neighborhood.
[3:06] So rather than being able to go left and
[3:08] right out of there, they've got a burm
[3:11] in the down the center of the road. It's
[3:15] like, well, that I can see why that is a
[3:17] good thing. But from from a cyclist
[3:20] point of view, the shoulders to the
[3:22] right of the white line are limited. Um,
[3:25] so cars don't really want to wait for a
[3:29] cyclist to go by. So despite the fact
[3:32] that there's a burm there, they will
[3:34] squeeze by and it's scary as heck. Um,
[3:37] so and again, I'll I'll ride the white
[3:39] line or to the right of it if I can. Um,
[3:43] I will not ride, side note, in a group.
[3:46] I know that there are a lot of bike
[3:47] shops that do do that. I will not
[3:49] because you get a group of cyclists and
[3:51] they don't yield. And as a driver,
[3:55] that's frustrating. as a cyclist is
[3:57] scary as heck because again the drivers
[4:00] get angry and it's it's a mess. So I'll
[4:02] I'm a solo rider. So I'll squeeze over
[4:04] to the right. Um maybe the only other
[4:07] thing that drives me baddy, although I
[4:10] can understand why from a um
[4:15] uh roads standpoint, it is a good thing.
[4:17] But the the ribbing, the um rumble
[4:21] strips or whatever you call them,
[4:22] they're on the right hand side of the
[4:24] road and um in the center as well.
[4:26] Again, I understand why um from a
[4:29] driver's point of view. Oops. Is that my
[4:32] three minutes?
[4:33] » Sorry, you can finish your
[4:34] » Okay. Um, but anyway, so great from a
[4:37] from a car safety standpoint, from a
[4:39] bike standpoint, also scary because I
[4:42] can't go to the right of that white line
[4:44] because it's, you know, shake your
[4:46] fillings loose. So, you end up out in
[4:48] the lane with the with the cars. So,
[4:52] again, from a cyclist point of view, um,
[4:54] I I really don't like those. And there
[4:57] they've been added more and more places.
[4:59] And again, I understand, but um from a
[5:02] cyclist point, I really don't like that.
[5:04] And it curtails where you can ride. So
[5:07] anyway, is that my three minutes?
[5:09] » Okie dokie.
[5:10] » Thank you so much.
[5:11] » Thank you for listening. I appreciate
[5:12] it.
[5:12] » We appreciate the input. Thank you.
[5:18] All right. We'd like to call on the town
[5:21] clerk's office um to go through some
[5:24] administrative um updates.
[5:34] Okay,
[5:35] good afternoon. I am not Ashley U, but I
[5:38] am here in herstead. Um, so presenting
[5:41] to you all two items for consideration.
[5:44] Uh, the first is proposing moving the
[5:46] November 4th meeting um to the training
[5:49] room uh training rooms 3A and 3B. Um, so
[5:53] separate from the council chambers where
[5:55] you all normally meet. And then the
[5:56] second item is included in your agenda
[5:58] packet is the meeting schedule for
[6:00] calendar year 2027. This keeps um the
[6:03] consistent second Wednesday every other
[6:06] month at 4:45 at town hall. Um you have
[6:10] the schedule in your agenda packet. I
[6:12] have not received any comments on that.
[6:14] So just looking for a motion to adopt
[6:17] both the amendment of the schedule for
[6:19] November 2026 as well as amendment to or
[6:23] adoption of the 2027 meeting calendar.
[6:26] So moved
[6:27] » Or both?
[6:28] » Yes.
[6:28] » Okay.
[6:30] » Would someone like to second?
[6:32] » I'll second. Jennifer second.
[6:36] We've got a motion and a second to um
[6:39] approve the November 4th meeting to the
[6:42] training room and to approve the meeting
[6:45] calendar. All those in favor, please
[6:48] signify by saying I.
[6:49] » I. I.
[6:50] » Anyone oppose?
[6:52] » Okay. Both of those car.
[6:54] » Thank you. Thank you.
[6:59] » At this time, um, we'll go through the
[7:02] meeting minutes
[7:07] and I'll look to Chris Watson. Did you
[7:10] have a couple?
[7:10] » Yes. Just one quick comment before
[7:12] handing it back over to you, Madam
[7:13] Chair. Uh, I want to call everyone's
[7:15] attention to the July 28th safety
[7:18] subcommittee minutes. Um, on page two of
[7:21] the minutes, which it will be page 43 of
[7:24] your entire agenda packet, um, uh,
[7:27] member Bruner has asked that we add the
[7:29] following statement to, um, the bottom
[7:32] of that page. Right after it says,
[7:33] member Bruner shared that direct
[7:35] complaints are difficult on a low
[7:36] ridership route because it becomes
[7:38] personal. Um, we are going to add um if
[7:42] it's if it if it passes here on a low
[7:45] ridership bus, complaining about a
[7:47] specific driver is risky because the
[7:48] driver can easily identify who made
[7:50] their complaint and retaliate by not
[7:52] picking you up at the stop. And then
[7:54] there's one more change um to the same
[7:56] minutes on page three. Essentially, we
[8:00] will just be removing the statement
[8:02] where it says briefly talked about
[8:04] extreme heat, bus driver shortage, and
[8:06] accurate bus stop signs C attachment.
[8:09] Um, that is currently under the followup
[8:11] from staff section. Moving that up to
[8:14] emerging issues items. First, want to
[8:17] pause, make sure that that's an accurate
[8:18] representation of the request, and then
[8:20] hand it back over to you for discussion.
[8:22] » Correct. Thank I didn't realize that was
[8:24] all going to come formally. I thought I
[8:26] was editing drafts, but thank you for
[8:28] carrying that over.
[8:29] » So, that's just a request um for
[8:31] revisions for the safety minutes and
[8:32] then all the other regular meeting and
[8:34] subcommittee minutes are as um what's
[8:37] included in the packet. No changes to
[8:39] those.
[8:41] I'll hand it back over to you.
[8:43] » Chris, um on those So, can you give us
[8:46] the line number? That may be helpful
[8:48] because I know we've got line numbers on
[8:49] some of those pages.
[8:52] just just for those that may be looking
[8:54] and following along.
[9:02] » Sorry, I thought I had it pulled up.
[9:23] Okay.
[9:29] I think you had mentioned page 43,
[9:32] which would be page two of the minutes,
[9:34] but I just want to make sure that we've
[9:35] got the line number.
[9:36] » Mhm.
[9:38] » Correct.
[9:50] Okay. So the first revision on page 43
[9:53] of agenda packet page two it will be
[9:56] line number
[9:59] um
[10:05] 27.
[10:06] So directly following line 27 carries
[10:08] over to line 28, we will add the
[10:10] statement that I read directly following
[10:12] that sentence.
[10:14] » Okay.
[10:15] » And then the second one,
[10:18] page three, carrying on to page four, um
[10:22] the emerging issues related to priority
[10:24] task. And then on that line 45, we will
[10:27] move that
[10:29] from the following section.
[10:32] » Okay. Thank you. Any questions about
[10:36] those before we
[10:39] So, um, we'll start with, um, uh,
[10:44] approval of the minutes starting with
[10:45] the May 13th. I'd like to see if anybody
[10:49] would like to entertain a motion to
[10:50] approve the meeting minutes from the May
[10:53] 13th regular meeting. Would someone like
[10:56] to make a motion?
[10:57] » So, move.
[10:59] » We have a motion.
[11:00] » Seconded
[11:00] » And a second.
[11:03] So, sorry to interrupt, but I'm helping
[11:05] to take notes. Would And I can't see and
[11:09] » Okay.
[11:09] » Okay.
[11:10] » Who was who was the If you could just
[11:11] state your name.
[11:13] » Noah.
[11:14] » Uh Noah.
[11:15] » Noah top.
[11:17] » For the motion. Yes.
[11:19] » Patrick Curley for the second.
[11:20] » Thank you.
[11:21] » All those in favor signify by saying I.
[11:23] » I. I.
[11:24] » Anyone opposed?
[11:27] » Okay. So moved. And at this point, um,
[11:30] would someone like to entertain a motion
[11:32] and please state your name, um, to
[11:35] approve the minutes for the July 17th,
[11:37] um, move to this is Gay. July
[11:40] » Gay. Anyone second?
[11:42] » I'll second. Second.
[11:44] » Okay, it's a motion and a second. All
[11:46] those in favor signify by saying I.
[11:49] » I.
[11:49] » I.
[11:50] » Anyone oppose?
[11:52] Thank you.
[11:54] Now, we'd like to see if anyone would
[11:55] like to entertain a motion for the
[11:57] minutes for the July 6 infrastructure
[12:00] subcommittee meeting.
[12:03] » A motion.
[12:04] » This Patrick Pat made the motion. One
[12:08] second.
[12:10] Uh, Gay, I'll second.
[12:12] » Okay. All those in favor, please signify
[12:15] by saying I.
[12:16] » I.
[12:16] » Anyone opposed? Thank you.
[12:20] Um, at this point, we'll um ask for a
[12:23] motion to approve the minutes from
[12:26] Can I do both of those at the same time
[12:28] with the edits? Are y'all okay with
[12:29] that?
[12:30] » That okay. The June 18th and the July
[12:35] 28th with edits that were shared um just
[12:38] a few minutes ago um for the safety
[12:41] subcommittee meetings. Is there a motion
[12:43] um on that? I do have one question
[12:46] » Before we approve um the item in our
[12:49] minutes about possibly amending the name
[12:51] of the committee. I know it may be later
[12:52] in the agenda. I want to make sure if we
[12:54] don't need to do it now.
[12:55] » Correct. That will be later in the
[12:57] » Later. Making sure. Then I'll make a
[12:58] motion to approve the minutes. Jennifer
[13:00] Aaylor.
[13:01] » Thank you, Jennifer. Is there a second?
[13:04] » I'll second it. Second.
[13:05] » Okay. All those in favor signify by
[13:07] saying I.
[13:08] » I.
[13:09] » Anyone opposed?
[13:11] Okay. Thank you guys. a lot of minutes,
[13:13] a lot of lot of great work going on. So,
[13:15] thank you so much,
[13:16] » Madam Chair, if I may take a point of
[13:18] privilege. Um, last meeting that that I
[13:21] attended was I missed the July meeting.
[13:23] I was out of town, but the meeting in
[13:25] May, uh, I very confidently stated that
[13:28] the subcommittees could meet u, you
[13:30] know, because there were not enough
[13:32] people to make a quorum so the sub
[13:34] committees could meet without public uh,
[13:37] uh, disclosure or public um,
[13:39] announcement of those meetings. I very
[13:41] confidently stated that and I was very
[13:42] confidently wrong in all of that. So I'm
[13:45] I know that Chris and uh I think uh
[13:49] Katie sorted that out with with the
[13:50] subcommittees. So I appreciate everybody
[13:53] kind of rolling with the incorrect
[13:55] guidance that I had had provided at the
[13:57] time. U and I do appreciate the
[13:59] subcommittees getting together and
[14:02] reading through the minutes and some of
[14:03] the topics being discussed. So uh thank
[14:06] you all for uh meeting and getting
[14:08] together.
[14:09] » Thank you. Thank you.
[14:13] » Okay, at this time um we'll go ahead and
[14:16] talk about the subcommittee work. Um the
[14:19] fiscal year 2027 work plan subcommittee.
[14:22] We have updates from each of the
[14:24] committees. I believe um and uh I'll
[14:28] start with community outreach.
[14:30] Um
[14:32] the community outreach committee met
[14:36] on um July 17th from 3:00 to 5:00 at the
[14:39] Mason Street Municipal Building. And
[14:42] you've of course um seen the minutes,
[14:44] but just wanted to give an update that
[14:46] um during our meeting we looked at the
[14:49] 2027 tasks assigned and um uh went
[14:54] through and really uh
[14:58] set some goals and and looked forward to
[15:00] try to getting a lot more community
[15:02] engagement from our groups and to make
[15:04] sure we're supporting the staff um out
[15:07] in the community. um
[15:10] uh at we decided that we wanted to
[15:13] operate informally without a chair and
[15:15] we would give updates to this committee
[15:17] as a specific uh agenda item and I
[15:21] volunteered to be the representative um
[15:24] at this meeting. Uh, one of the primary
[15:26] focuses that we had at our committee
[15:28] meeting was to increase MTAB involvement
[15:31] in community outreach and we discussed
[15:34] ways for us to get involved. And so many
[15:37] of you saw all of you saw the um signup
[15:40] sheet that we did and actually we had an
[15:43] event yesterday and we have an event
[15:45] tomorrow and we've got an event this
[15:47] weekend. So, a lot of a lot of great
[15:50] events and a lot of great opportunities
[15:51] for outreach for all of us. So, I think
[15:55] um it's exciting that we can go ahead
[15:56] and start getting more involved and that
[15:58] was one of the things I think all of us
[16:00] talked about at the work session. So, I
[16:02] appreciate all of you signing up and I
[16:04] think there's still a couple other spots
[16:05] left, but we'll continue to do that to
[16:08] continue to um educate the community for
[16:12] us to work together with the staff and
[16:14] to do all we can to increase transit,
[16:18] increase communication, and and really
[16:21] help people know um the resources that
[16:23] are available. Um the the events coming
[16:26] up were the Pleasant Park Access Study
[16:28] that already happened on September 3rd.
[16:31] Try Transit was yesterday. There's the
[16:33] senior health fair on um Saturday. Touch
[16:36] of Trucks coming up in October. And then
[16:39] um we want to participate in future
[16:42] North Carolina DOT projects.
[16:46] Um outreach materials. I think the staff
[16:48] has a lot of um um materials, but we
[16:51] want to make sure we develop audience
[16:53] specific materials for seniors and youth
[16:56] and highlight transit benefits such as
[16:59] free service, service every 30 minutes,
[17:02] 7 days a week, key destinations that are
[17:05] served through transit, sustainability
[17:07] and affordability, and bicycle
[17:09] skateboard accessibility. Um under
[17:12] number two, one of the priorities was
[17:14] bus driver appreciation. I really want
[17:16] to make sure we explore ways to
[17:18] recognize Go Apex bus operators and
[17:21] raise public awareness of transit and
[17:24] ideas included coordinating um with go
[17:27] carry initiatives because they have a
[17:29] lot of initiatives going on. We want to
[17:30] make sure we coordinate with them.
[17:32] featuring uh driver profiles on social
[17:35] media, encou encouraging riders to thank
[17:38] drivers on designated day, thank you
[17:40] messages, reordering go Apex thank you
[17:44] cards, and encouraging elected officials
[17:46] in our committee to to to ride and thank
[17:49] drivers personally. So, we'll have plans
[17:51] for that. Under number three, we wanted
[17:54] transit promotion campaign and we
[17:57] discussed opportunities um through the
[18:00] potential look again campaign and
[18:02] proposed activities for promote expanded
[18:05] service, provide route maps, conduct
[18:08] train the trainer, engage apartment
[18:10] communities and employers and uh
[18:13] consider public art as highly visible
[18:15] bus stops. Um
[18:18] number four, transit data and analysis.
[18:21] Uh felt like the staff um at the meeting
[18:24] discussed several transportation efforts
[18:26] that are already underway. So we agreed
[18:28] to pause that work for now and um look
[18:31] at revisit it when future gaps are
[18:34] merging and then the same for bicycle
[18:36] and pedestrian outreach. We want to make
[18:38] sure um we all talked about that there
[18:41] was a lot of discussion on transit about
[18:43] bicycle and and pedestrian
[18:45] transportation and we the discussion in
[18:48] our committee was adding bicycle and
[18:50] pedestrian outreach to future community
[18:53] outreach opportunities and maybe discuss
[18:56] uh discuss appointing a cycle advocate
[18:59] or champion for MTAB. And it was great
[19:01] to have her public comment today and
[19:04] include this topic on future MTAB
[19:05] agendas. So our action items were create
[19:09] the event signup which was done. Uh
[19:12] draft a participation invitation,
[19:14] reorder go apex thank you cards, develop
[19:17] targeted outreach materials, create a
[19:20] route map and plan a group MTAB ride. So
[19:25] we need to do that. We're all going to
[19:26] go ride the bus together. So that'll be
[19:28] fun for us to do that. And then discuss
[19:30] bicycle pedestrian outreach strategies
[19:32] at future meetings. Um our future
[19:34] meetings. And our next meeting is
[19:36] September 21st at 3:30. So off to a
[19:39] great start. So um uh I'd appreciate Do
[19:42] you have any comments? Anything I left
[19:44] out, Gay? And um
[19:47] » I don't think so.
[19:49] » Yeah.
[19:50] » Okay. Off to a great start. Um at this
[19:53] point, uh we'll ask for the
[19:56] infrastructure committee to give a
[19:58] report.
[19:59] » Sure. Uh we met on uh July 6th. Um,
[20:04] Sacket and Noah and myself and staff uh
[20:08] met uh here and uh we identified three
[20:12] kind of targeted uh tasks uh for our for
[20:15] our subcommittee. The first one was
[20:18] looking at street design and UDO
[20:19] amendments and you know we'll revi
[20:21] review and provide feedback to the peak
[20:23] plan 20 uh 55 standards when they come
[20:26] out later this month. We have a meeting
[20:28] scheduled for later this month to
[20:29] discuss that. So um and the bicycle and
[20:32] pedestrian UDO uh updates in October. So
[20:36] um
[20:37] uh we have not met since that meeting
[20:39] that first meeting but uh we do plan a
[20:41] meeting later this month. Um second task
[20:44] was for uh project prioritization for
[20:46] the CIP and we'll we'll support the CIP
[20:48] review process and advocate for
[20:50] multimodel projects uh with there's some
[20:52] key touch points in September uh with
[20:55] preliminary staff request and also in
[20:57] October which is after the where staff
[21:00] requests are submitted and before the
[21:02] fiscal year 20 uh 2028 budget hearings.
[21:07] Uh hopefully the recommendations will
[21:08] help integrate multimodal priorities
[21:10] into the town budget which is you know
[21:12] kind of the over overarching uh goal for
[21:14] that. And the third task was uh
[21:17] supporting uh grant uh submission
[21:19] letters. The committee will work with
[21:21] staff to draft letters supporting
[21:23] transportation grants. U that's
[21:25] generally in October and January. Um and
[21:29] then uh the last thing is we scheduled a
[21:31] meeting for September 24th to start
[21:32] discussing the CIP and the peak plan
[21:34] updates.
[21:37] That's where we are right now.
[21:39] » Thanks, Patrick.
[21:40] » Thank you.
[21:40] » Thank you.
[21:42] » Thank you.
[21:44] » And we'll call on the safety
[21:46] subcommittee.
[21:47] » Yep. Your safety committee's down here.
[21:50] Elizabeth and I have met three times so
[21:52] far in June, July, and August. Um we
[21:54] addressed two of the main priorities on
[21:57] the giant spreadsheet of um established
[22:00] from our working group. uh the main one
[22:02] looking at bus safety and then we
[22:04] initially started out discussing the
[22:06] slope of the bus like that boarding
[22:07] slope issue. We've since expanded that
[22:10] discussion a little bit to deal with the
[22:12] detour to deal with issues of bus safety
[22:14] at the individual bus stops, setting up
[22:17] shelter, um better lighting, um better
[22:20] marking and signage, excuse me, for the
[22:22] bus stops. Um and then just the overall
[22:25] uh factors that go into selecting a bus
[22:28] and some of that is out of our control
[22:29] as there is a third party also involved
[22:31] and with go carry um to establish the
[22:34] kinds of buses we have available for use
[22:36] but just making sure we can address
[22:38] those safety concerns. Um and in our
[22:40] most recent meeting in August, we
[22:41] discussed um like loading and unloading
[22:44] with passengers with carts and baby
[22:46] strollers and some of the um rules and
[22:49] decision-m that those have to be closed
[22:51] as you board the bus. Um being possibly
[22:54] an unreasonable request for moms with
[22:56] small children or uh people coming from
[22:58] the food pantry with a fully loaded cart
[23:00] having to unload those items and then
[23:02] board the bus. Um it's timeconuming. It
[23:04] could be potentially dangerous if they
[23:06] trip and fall unloading those packages.
[23:08] So, just things to to address and the
[23:10] town has been very helpful and
[23:12] responsive in addressing some of the
[23:13] concerns we've established or things
[23:15] we've asked for feedback on um as
[23:18] they've met with town of Kerry
[23:20] representatives and local law
[23:21] enforcement as well um for safety around
[23:23] like the Mason Street bus terminal to
[23:26] make sure that the riders as you have to
[23:27] debus when the drivers go on break that
[23:30] people are safe and that you're not
[23:32] being um approached by some of the um
[23:35] unhoused individuals that spend their
[23:36] day on the bus. and then debus and
[23:39] panhandle while they wait um just to
[23:41] make sure people are safe and able to
[23:43] ride that bus and not have to worry
[23:44] about those concerns getting from point
[23:46] A to point B. Um our next meeting I
[23:49] believe is October 1st and we will also
[23:51] try to address our second agenda item um
[23:54] dealing with safe walking to school
[23:56] which also addresses sidewalks,
[23:57] crosswalks, um signage, driver awareness
[24:00] that you're in a school zone, things
[24:02] like that.
[24:04] » Thank you. question. Um,
[24:09] is the is the subcommittee, the two of
[24:14] you, um, planning to attend the, I
[24:18] guess, awareness event on e- scooters
[24:21] and ebikes that the town has publicized
[24:23] for October.
[24:24] » I don't know that we have planned to go
[24:25] to that. We can certainly try to add it.
[24:27] I am going to the senior healthcare, see
[24:30] when the the e scooter event is
[24:32] happening.
[24:32] » Okay.
[24:33] » See what the information is about.
[24:35] » Okay. I know that has more of a youth
[24:37] focus that I'm understanding.
[24:38] » It does have more of a youth focus, but
[24:41] the
[24:43] um I'm planning to attend, but I wasn't
[24:47] sure if either one of you it's for the
[24:49] community as well to help understand
[24:52] um what the uh guidelines and laws and
[24:56] the dos and don'ts and what you can and
[24:57] can't do.
[24:58] » I'm definitely interested in the issue
[24:59] itself. I don't think I knew that when
[25:01] they had actually set up the date for
[25:02] it. But I saw they were planning
[25:03] something, but I'll definitely try to
[25:04] see if we can make that happen to get
[25:06] more input.
[25:07] » Okay. I think it's in October. I'll have
[25:09] to check.
[25:10] » Yeah, I know the mayor's at least
[25:11] listening to some of those issues and
[25:13] concerns thankfully.
[25:14] » That'd be good to share with the
[25:15] committee everybody, but I'd like to
[25:17] maybe attend that, too.
[25:20] » Whenever you find out,
[25:22] » I think that's a good example of needing
[25:24] specialized expertise. Like, I would
[25:26] have nothing to add to a discussion of
[25:28] e- scooters except, you know, a couple
[25:30] personal observations. I think we do
[25:33] certainly need a bicycle representative.
[25:35] I hope the town council will think about
[25:37] that with future nominations and someone
[25:40] with insight into all the scooter moped
[25:42] issues.
[25:49] Thank you for all the updates. Great
[25:51] committee work. Um we do have a couple
[25:54] of requested actions. Um I um uh was
[25:59] added um on to the committee outreach um
[26:05] community outreach subcommittee and I
[26:07] think that needs to be a motion. So
[26:10] would someone um be interested in um
[26:14] » I'll make a
[26:16] » To add me to the subcommittee.
[26:19] » Is there a second?
[26:20] » Second. Okay.
[26:21] » Thank you. D.
[26:23] » All those in favor please signify by
[26:24] saying I. I
[26:26] » Okay. Any oppose?
[26:29] » Thank you. We also um have asked to
[26:32] rename the safety subcommittee to the
[26:34] safety and accessibility subcommittee.
[26:38] Is there a motion um on the floor to
[26:40] rename that subcommittee?
[26:44] I move that we rename that safety
[26:47] committee to the safety and
[26:48] accessibility subcommittee. If anyone
[26:50] wants an explanation, let me know.
[26:55] This is Patrick. I second that.
[26:57] » Okay. All those in favor signify.
[26:59] » This would be a point to have
[27:00] discussion, right?
[27:01] » Yeah. I'd love to hear.
[27:02] » Yeah.
[27:04] » Well, use the steep boarding slope as an
[27:06] example. Someone was climbing up there,
[27:09] slipped and fall, elderly person breaks
[27:11] their hip on cement. It's a safety and
[27:13] an injury. But what's really happening
[27:15] with the steep boarding slope is the
[27:17] folks who are at risk, people who
[27:19] consider it dangerous to get up and
[27:21] down, they have simply stopped riding.
[27:24] based on my observations and what bus
[27:26] drivers have said. So what became a
[27:28] safety challenge for the riders they
[27:31] observed as an intolerable risk and so
[27:35] they simply stopped riding. So we've
[27:37] spent a lot of time in the subcommittee
[27:38] hoping that they'd switched over to
[27:40] paratransit. In most cases the oldest
[27:43] riders who were using walking canes who
[27:46] battled the slope had uh English as a
[27:48] second language limited English skills.
[27:51] So how do we find them to make sure they
[27:53] know that if the bus doesn't work there
[27:55] is a paratransit option that just
[27:57] there's a lot of overlap between safety
[28:00] and accessibility and for me I I think
[28:04] accessibility is the bigger barrier at
[28:06] the moment it's perceived safety risks
[28:09] mean people are not writing
[28:12] » Thanks
[28:14] so expands the scope of
[28:16] » Well I think the rest of the group sort
[28:18] of wants it to narrow the scope I want
[28:20] talk about every operational risk there
[28:22] is, but there is a sense that the two
[28:24] really overlap.
[28:27] » Yeah. I wouldn't necessarily say that
[28:28] expands the scope, but that would be a
[28:31] different conversation,
[28:32] » But it um perhaps more accurately
[28:35] describes Yes.
[28:36] » Right. what they're looking at.
[28:40] » Understood. Yeah. Any other discussion?
[28:43] » There's a m sure.
[28:47] » Okay. I just real quickly going to uh I
[28:50] looked up the escooter event location is
[28:54] to be determined, but it's on October
[28:56] 3rd at 10:00 a.m.
[28:58] » Thank you.
[29:01] » Thank you. So, there's a motion um on
[29:04] the floor and a second to rename the
[29:06] safety subcommittee to the safety and
[29:08] accessibility subcommittee. All those in
[29:11] favor, please signify by saying I.
[29:13] » I.
[29:14] » I.
[29:14] » Anyone oppose?
[29:16] Okay, thank you. Appreciate that
[29:19] recommendation.
[29:20] » Before we leave this topic, may I ask a
[29:23] question?
[29:24] » Um,
[29:26] so as part of the infrastructure kind of
[29:28] subcategory,
[29:29] um during the work session back in
[29:32] March, I believe, uh we identified kind
[29:35] of street designs as a an opportunity
[29:38] area
[29:40] uh to look at. And I kind of want to tie
[29:41] that back to the public comment that we
[29:42] just received, you know, around our
[29:44] street designs. Um, but I don't think I
[29:47] heard anything from the infrastructure
[29:49] subcommittee around uh street designs in
[29:52] general. It was the updates were a
[29:54] little bit more focused on the uh the
[29:56] investment planning and all that, which
[29:57] was another part that we had identified.
[30:00] Is that still something that that the
[30:01] subcommittee is looking at or and simply
[30:04] hasn't gotten to yet? um where you know
[30:08] where does that kind of sit or is is
[30:10] anybody covering that uh that street
[30:12] design question because again like you
[30:14] know just taking some of the public
[30:15] feedback you know there's there's some
[30:17] demand for making our streets a little
[30:19] bit more uh you know alternate transit
[30:23] uh friendly right and so I don't want to
[30:25] lose sight of that that's that topic
[30:27] that we had discussed back in March
[30:29] » Yeah we're supposed to meet in September
[30:31] 24th a couple weeks uh to discuss the
[30:34] street design and the UDO amendment for
[30:36] for
[30:36] » Wonderful. Thank you. Sure.
[30:39] » And could I interject there as well? Um,
[30:42] also as part of our peak plan, our
[30:45] comprehensive plan and transportation
[30:47] plan update, the scope includes
[30:50] examining our street sections and
[30:52] updating those based on um
[30:57] context area. Not to get into too much
[30:59] detail right now, but the street might
[31:02] look different in an area more uh
[31:05] suitable and oriented toward walking,
[31:08] biking, taking the bus compared to other
[31:10] areas. So that's part of that peak plan
[31:13] scope um and will be included in the
[31:17] public forum three as well as shared
[31:19] with the board for
[31:27] » Any other questions about subcommittee
[31:29] work.
[31:33] So, um, one of, um, the next, um, agenda
[31:37] item is bicycle outreach and engagement.
[31:41] And, um, in our community outreach
[31:43] subcommittee, we talked about, um,
[31:46] possible strategies for reaching
[31:48] bicyclists. So, we put that as an agenda
[31:50] item to open it up for discussion to see
[31:55] what
[31:57] we have any ideas about ways, additional
[31:59] ways um that we reach out and get more
[32:03] input from the bicycle community. It
[32:06] sounds like
[32:09] the October 3rd date is great for us to
[32:11] know because that that's part of that as
[32:12] well.
[32:17] So, we're looking for suggestions on how
[32:18] to reach out to the bicycling community.
[32:22] » I do have a quick question for some and
[32:26] our public comment speaker may have some
[32:28] input on this. Um, are the trail heads
[32:30] for like the tobacco trail. Is there
[32:33] bulletin boards still? I used to run out
[32:35] there and there used to be places where
[32:36] you could put information up and I
[32:38] didn't know if we could do something
[32:39] like a QR code or something to get
[32:41] people like to do an input survey or
[32:44] something kind of how we've talked about
[32:45] doing on the bus kind of in the same way
[32:47] just to reach a different group.
[32:52] » I I don't know if that's still there. I
[32:53] go there once in a while but I don't
[32:54] know if there's still a bulletin board
[32:56] there or not.
[32:56] » Yeah, I know there used to be. I just
[32:58] don't know what this the setup looks
[32:59] like out there anymore. One place I I I
[33:02] play disc golf at this nature park on
[33:04] Saturday mornings and there are bicycle
[33:07] gatherings and literally
[33:10] 100 I don't know maybe 100 bicyclists.
[33:13] » Yeah. Like one cycling clubs.
[33:14] » Yeah. Yeah. Huge packs of bicycles going
[33:16] up. And it' be a great place. You know,
[33:18] it's more of a inerson kind of thing
[33:20] than than posting or but you know I
[33:22] don't know if that's a possibility. I
[33:24] guess we have to figure out like if it's
[33:26] a scheduled meeting every Saturday or if
[33:28] it's once a month or like if it's a a
[33:31] cycling shop organizing that to be able
[33:33] to
[33:35] » Connect with them. I know like
[33:37] meetup.com has Apologize I'm yelling
[33:40] over the train. Um meetup.com has like
[33:42] cycling I'm sure and other hobby
[33:44] hobbyist kinds of things. Um that would
[33:46] maybe be good outreach to talk to
[33:48] cycling shops to see if they know um
[33:50] some of those local gatherings. I can
[33:53] try and talk to them when I'm there next
[33:54] and see where they're coming from, how
[33:56] to reach. It's a big It's a large number
[33:58] of bicyclists.
[34:00] » Yeah. Is there someone that's kind of
[34:01] clearly they're a leader or organizer?
[34:02] » There's a pace car they have, you know,
[34:04] with flashing lights and stuff. So, I
[34:05] mean, it's pretty serious, you know. So,
[34:07] yeah.
[34:09] » I've been keeping notes of Facebook
[34:11] comments from serious cyclists who have
[34:13] lots of opinions and seem to have
[34:15] expertise and connections, so I can
[34:17] share those with the subcommittee. I
[34:18] guess just a handful of folks who seem
[34:21] like they would be good resources.
[34:24] » There's there's also a um the Carolina
[34:27] Brewing Company has a cycling club. They
[34:29] meet on Sundays, I believe. Uh but a lot
[34:33] of people from Apex go um to uh you
[34:37] know, so there's there's some organized
[34:39] clubs in the area like that.
[34:43] Is the thought that we're trying to get
[34:47] input from the cyclists on what they
[34:49] would like to see or are we trying to
[34:51] address identified concerns?
[34:55] » I think I think a little bit of both
[35:00] learn more about the needs and
[35:01] » Okay
[35:03] » And uh we just haven't haven't focused
[35:06] on that as much. So, we sort of felt
[35:09] like there was opportunity for
[35:12] gathering more information and then as
[35:16] we're
[35:18] having infrastructure
[35:20] conversations and further conversations
[35:24] about meeting the needs of bicyclists,
[35:26] making sure to share that information
[35:27] back. So,
[35:28] » Okay,
[35:34] » Great. Well, thank y'all. Thank y'all.
[35:36] That gives us a start and again we've
[35:38] got a meeting coming up in a couple
[35:40] weeks and that'll that'll help us have
[35:42] further conversation about that topic.
[35:45] At this point we'll um call on Katie.
[35:47] She's going to talk to us about the 2035
[35:49] weight bus plan.
[35:55] Chair
[35:56] just a point of uh clarification. I
[35:59] think we need to follow up on the
[36:00] escooter event that's being held on the
[36:02] October 3rd date because I'm not sure
[36:04] that that's a town event. Um, and so I
[36:08] want to clarify. Um, let us let us
[36:11] research that and follow back up with
[36:12] you.
[36:13] » Okay.
[36:14] » Cuz that that may be something one of
[36:16] the elected officials is hosting. Um,
[36:18] and so I just want I don't want this
[36:19] committee to be misled or confused that
[36:22] it's a townled event or town sponsored
[36:24] event. So, let us reconnect on that and
[36:27] we'll follow out
[36:28] » Follow back up with you all.
[36:29] » Thank you.
[36:30] » Okay. Thank you.
[36:36] » All right. I'm going to use this new
[36:38] setup here. Um, do I have control of the
[36:42] PowerPoint? Yes. Okay. Hello. Um, I'm
[36:45] just here to give an overview of the
[36:48] Wake bus plan update that is um in
[36:52] progress currently.
[36:54] um give an overview of what what the
[36:57] project is, how Apex fits into it, and
[37:01] what you all can do to provide input um
[37:04] to this this plan. Um so the Wake bus
[37:08] plan is one of a few different types of
[37:11] plans that is part of the overall Wake
[37:14] Transit program. So, you're probably all
[37:17] familiar with that program, but um just
[37:19] as a refresher, it's the countywide
[37:21] investment strategy um for transit
[37:25] improvement and expansion in Wake County
[37:27] that is primarily funded through our
[37:29] halfsent sales tax that was approved in
[37:31] 2016. Um and there's a myriad of
[37:35] planning that gets done to ensure that
[37:38] um there's, you know, investment that is
[37:42] well thought out throughout the county.
[37:44] So, the Wake bus plan follows the
[37:46] overall Wake Transit Plan update and it
[37:50] focuses just on bus services um and
[37:54] associated capital projects. Um and it
[37:57] also develops short range transit plans
[37:59] for the main uh transit agencies in the
[38:02] area which are Go Raleigh, Go Triangle,
[38:04] and Go Kerry. Um, and those short-range
[38:07] transit plans are actually detailed to
[38:09] the project level of identifying which
[38:11] routes are prioritized for funding
[38:14] within the next three years. Um, so it
[38:16] gets pretty detailed.
[38:18] Um, where it sits in the overall plan
[38:21] hierarchy for Wake Transit is kind of
[38:24] what I alluded to before. It's it's more
[38:26] detailed than the overall 10-year
[38:29] strategy. Um, and it it kind of gets at
[38:34] the bus service for those main three
[38:36] agencies. Um, and it's not the only
[38:40] planning that gets done at that level.
[38:42] There's also other planning um that we
[38:44] do as part of the CFA program and that
[38:46] gets done for other types of projects.
[38:49] Um, so it does not include CFA projects.
[38:52] So Apex and all the other smaller
[38:55] municipalities are responsible for our
[38:57] own detailed transit planning. Um and we
[39:02] apply for funding through the CFA
[39:04] program. So this bus plan does not cover
[39:07] that program. Um, it also doesn't
[39:10] include rail or other types of transit
[39:12] projects that the overall strategy might
[39:15] include. And it doesn't include projects
[39:19] that those other agencies, GO Carry, Go
[39:21] Triangle, and um, Go Raleigh might um,
[39:26] uh, initiate that aren't funded through
[39:28] the Wake Transit program. So they they
[39:31] have their own funding sources that they
[39:33] might choose to fund projects through
[39:35] and those wouldn't be included in this
[39:36] because this is really feeding into what
[39:38] what is funded through that that
[39:40] program.
[39:43] So I just said the CFA program which
[39:45] we're a part of is is not part of this
[39:47] bus plan. So how is this relevant to
[39:48] Apex? Um well we do have a pretty big
[39:52] stake in this process because it leads
[39:55] to project ideas that could still serve
[39:59] Apex. So the go triangle route 305, the
[40:03] the go triangle route 311 and the go
[40:05] carry route 9 are all routes that are
[40:08] funded through the wake transit program.
[40:10] And the town of Apex doesn't put any
[40:12] budget, you know, towards those routes
[40:16] from from our town budget, but we still
[40:18] benefit from them. Um, and so with the
[40:21] bus plan, now is the town's chance to
[40:24] weigh in on new proposed improvements
[40:27] and expansions, you know, into the
[40:29] future. Um, this plan will also
[40:34] um look at ways to prioritize community
[40:39] transportation hubs, which were
[40:41] identified as a new item in the the
[40:43] latest overall transit plan update that
[40:46] was approved last year. And we think
[40:48] Apex is a great place for a community
[40:51] transportation hub and is a great um
[40:54] kind of uh match for what we're planning
[40:57] with the Apex mobility hub that we've
[40:59] talked to you all about before that um
[41:02] could be a potential future passenger
[41:04] rail station, bus transfer area, etc.
[41:07] So, so we're looking at at those through
[41:10] that lens as well um from a staff point
[41:12] of view. But these are all things that
[41:14] are up for uh review and public comment
[41:17] as it goes through this wake bus plan
[41:20] update for potential funding.
[41:23] So where we are right now in the project
[41:25] is is phase one and that is really um
[41:31] what the what the project team is
[41:33] focusing on is gathering input from the
[41:35] public and stakeholders about what are
[41:39] what we prioritize first. Um,
[41:43] there's a public survey out right now
[41:47] that I'll get to in a in a minute that's
[41:50] really just throwing a bunch of stuff
[41:51] out there and asking for reactions. Um,
[41:54] it doesn't mean that any of those things
[41:56] are set in stone yet. And um really that
[42:01] this this point of the project is
[42:02] gathering input. um into 2027 is when
[42:06] the project team is is planning to try
[42:09] to use that feedback to develop the list
[42:11] of recommendations and in which point
[42:14] there will be more for review and and
[42:18] comment on. Um, so the idea is to
[42:22] finalize this for
[42:24] summer 2027 with some projects
[42:28] potentially getting funding as as soon
[42:30] as FY28 depending on how the timing
[42:32] works.
[42:34] Um,
[42:36] as far as our marketing for phase one,
[42:39] um, uh, one a member of the the Campo
[42:43] project team, uh, did a tableabling
[42:46] event, um, totally like Spanish language
[42:49] focused at Compare Foods on August 5th.
[42:52] Um, our planning team sent out an email
[42:55] blast on August 12th. Chris put up
[42:58] flyers in our Go Apex bus shelters. And
[43:01] then tomorrow we'll be outside of the
[43:03] Mason Street Municipal Building as part
[43:05] of our triit week um booth and we'll
[43:09] have information about this project as
[43:10] well. Um we did get some preliminary um
[43:13] feedback from the project team that go a
[43:16] that apex in general is um
[43:20] proportionately over represented so far
[43:22] in the survey results which is a good
[43:24] thing for us because it means that more
[43:27] people from Apex are providing input
[43:29] than they would guess just based on our
[43:31] population proportion. So, it seems like
[43:35] the out outreach is working so far, but
[43:38] we could always use more input as the
[43:40] project goes on.
[43:42] Um, oh, and yeah, and Gay signed up for
[43:45] uh a slot tomorrow, so she'll be there,
[43:47] and Linda will also be there in the
[43:49] afternoon, so we're excited about that.
[43:52] Um, so I just wanted to give a quick
[43:53] overview of the routing concepts. Um,
[43:56] has anyone actually taken the survey yet
[43:58] by chance?
[43:58] » Yes.
[43:59] » Okay, awesome.
[44:00] » And attended one of the meetings.
[44:01] » Oh, great. Okay, awesome. Um,
[44:04] » And in person, a focus group.
[44:06] » That's great. Yeah,
[44:07] » It's transit related. We're there.
[44:11] » Um, so you're familiar with this, but
[44:13] for those who haven't taken it yet, I
[44:14] encourage you to take it. Um, there is a
[44:17] map that is currently only found within
[44:19] the survey itself that outlines some
[44:22] kind of initial proposed routing
[44:24] concepts that are in no way finalized,
[44:26] but are out there for reaction. Um, and
[44:31] the project team is seeking input. Apex
[44:34] staff did not develop these project
[44:36] concepts, so we're reacting to them as
[44:39] well as you right now. Um, but the
[44:42] there's three that
[44:45] would serve Apex essentially. Um there's
[44:47] a proposed go carry route 10 concept
[44:51] that um would travel from downtown Apex
[44:54] to the Wake carry area through 1010 road
[44:59] and Kildair Farm road um which would be
[45:03] an hourlong runtime and would
[45:06] essentially be stylized as a go carry
[45:10] route if it if it gets prioritized for
[45:12] funding.
[45:14] Um there's also a proposed new go
[45:18] triangle route called the triangle
[45:19] regional express concept which would go
[45:23] from Fuway Marina to Holly Springs to
[45:25] Apex and then get on 540 as an express
[45:30] to the regional transit center in RTP.
[45:34] Um,
[45:36] again, these are still conceptual, so
[45:38] the routing isn't finalized, but the
[45:40] idea would essentially be a connector to
[45:43] get, you know, folks from Fugua, Holly
[45:46] Springs, Apex to um regional
[45:49] connections.
[45:52] And then there's also a proposed Apex
[45:54] Raleigh Express which would replace Go
[45:57] Triangle route 305 to try to streamline
[46:01] the routing from Apex to downtown
[46:03] Raleigh.
[46:05] um hopefully save a little time, but we
[46:06] we don't have any numbers yet on the
[46:10] actual timing, but it would it's
[46:13] conceptualized to start at Vidia, go to
[46:18] downtown Apex, and then get on 64, hop
[46:21] off at Tryan Road for Wake Med, and then
[46:25] back onto the freeway to downtown
[46:28] Raleigh.
[46:31] Um, and I'm I'm not going to go over
[46:34] these in details, but there's basically
[46:36] a question asking about reactions to
[46:38] those routing concepts and then some
[46:40] kind of general kind of ranking
[46:42] questions about what types of priorities
[46:45] um, respondents have for transit
[46:48] improvements. So, you know, more
[46:50] amenities at bus stops, more crosswalks
[46:52] and sidewalks, what's the priority
[46:55] there? because there is funding for
[46:56] pedestrian improvements associated with
[46:58] transit access in the plan. Um
[47:03] what types of services are the most
[47:05] important to focus on? That's you know
[47:07] up to individual respondents to
[47:10] determine. You kind of pull and um sort
[47:14] um priorities.
[47:17] um
[47:19] kind of similar question, what what
[47:21] types of service improvements
[47:23] and then anything else you would like to
[47:25] see. So, it's open-ended. Um so, I just
[47:28] wanted to bring attention to that and
[47:30] request that you take a look and and
[47:32] fill out the survey if you have time. Um
[47:35] we're still looking through it ourselves
[47:37] at the staff level, but I I already have
[47:39] some just, you know, conceptual
[47:41] questions for the project team that
[47:43] we'll be working through. But I also
[47:45] just open the floor and if there's any
[47:47] questions that we can either relay to
[47:49] the project team or that you just might
[47:51] have about the project.
[47:52] » Katie, will you be able to get the
[47:54] filtered survey responses for just the
[47:56] apex population?
[47:58] » Um I can request them.
[48:01] » I think that would be useful for us.
[48:03] » Yeah, I think it's um through public
[48:05] input and I believe that they have the
[48:07] ability to do that. Um so I can I can
[48:10] request that. Yeah.
[48:16] May I ask a question?
[48:17] » Yeah.
[48:18] » Um
[48:20] based on the proposed routes, the three
[48:23] routes that you just referred to,
[48:26] um is there any connectivity overlap or
[48:29] conflict with our own go Apex bus routes
[48:34] that we have been planning out?
[48:38] I'd say there's probably not that much
[48:40] conflict actually with with what's
[48:42] planned so far. The the emphasis is on
[48:47] in the concepts that we've seen so far
[48:50] on making regional connections which we
[48:52] didn't really focus on with the
[48:54] prioritization study. I did have a brief
[48:57] discussion with the project team about
[48:59] the proposed change to the 305 into an
[49:03] more of an express route format because
[49:06] right now the 305 does have local stops
[49:09] in town and it serves the um or was
[49:12] planning to serve the Pine Plaza Drive
[49:15] area. Um
[49:18] it the routing on the 305 has been
[49:20] shifted a little bit for um operational
[49:23] reasons for go triangle, but it was
[49:24] their intent to serve that area. And we
[49:26] just talked through potential timing of
[49:29] Go Apex route 2 concept which would
[49:33] serve that area and and the the ARX
[49:37] conversion and not wanting to leave a
[49:40] gap where there wasn't um service in
[49:43] that area. Um, so that was like an early
[49:46] piece of feedback I had for them. So I
[49:47] think the timing of that one is probably
[49:49] the the thing we would need to pay the
[49:52] closest attention to. Um, but as far as
[49:55] the the Triangle Regional Express, um,
[49:59] there's
[50:01] um, it would only be um, an improvement
[50:04] because it would provide access down to
[50:06] Fugay, which we don't have right now. um
[50:08] and would still kind of mirror what we
[50:11] have with the 311 um which has started
[50:14] up service in August. Um it doesn't
[50:16] actually go all the way down to Holly
[50:17] Springs or Peuway. Um so I'm rambling
[50:21] now, but there aren't actually a lot of
[50:24] conflicts that I see. I think it it
[50:26] would improve overall regional
[50:28] connectivity without probably impacting
[50:32] our local connectivity too much.
[50:34] And would these routes
[50:37] congregate in the um mobility hub that
[50:40] we were planning?
[50:41] » So they would they're all proposed a
[50:44] little bit differently, but a comment
[50:46] from staff would be that we would need
[50:48] them to serve that location to provide,
[50:50] you know, transfer opportunities.
[50:53] Um so that's a big priority for us. Um
[50:57] there the the concepts the routing
[51:00] hasn't been finalized, but that would be
[51:01] an important factor for us.
[51:03] » Thank you.
[51:05] I would say for the express route
[51:08] replacing the go triangle 305 that in my
[51:10] observation there's lots of people apex
[51:12] people included who do use that to hop
[51:15] off at surprising kind of local stops.
[51:18] They're not using it just to go all the
[51:20] way to Raleigh. I think that classic
[51:23] commuter who's going from a suburb into
[51:25] Raleigh to work, that's not what in my
[51:28] experience the passengers look like in
[51:29] the 305. So, I would hate to lose too
[51:32] many of those intermediary stops. I
[51:35] mean, keeping Wake Carry is important
[51:37] and as you say, the Lake Pine Shopping
[51:39] Center, but then there's just odd
[51:41] unusual stops where I'm not quite sure
[51:43] what people are getting off to do, but
[51:45] it's always been all the way along 305.
[51:49] Lots of people hop on and off rather
[51:51] than like I often find if I ride the
[51:53] 305, I'm the only person left when we
[51:55] get to Raleigh. People are not commuting
[51:57] directly to downtown Raleigh. They're
[51:58] getting off and in between places.
[52:01] » Does the current 305 route go by Wake
[52:03] Mad Carry?
[52:04] » Yeah, it sure does.
[52:05] » So, they're keeping some of the same.
[52:07] » Yes. Although, we should make a big
[52:10] stink about getting a much much better
[52:12] bus stop there.
[52:14] » We've talked a little bit about that,
[52:15] too. Yeah, that's a it's a challenging
[52:18] area for pedestrian connectivity. Um
[52:23] Yeah. But coming out of the hospital,
[52:25] you know, I mean, for even a mammogram,
[52:27] for anything, it's like kind of a
[52:28] horrible, horrible place to wait.
[52:32] » Uh 305 goes to Holly Springs now,
[52:34] doesn't it?
[52:35] » Yeah. Now the 305 goes all the way down
[52:37] to the Walmart in Holly Springs.
[52:39] » And if they replace 305 with this
[52:42] express, are we losing that kind of
[52:43] tail, the ability to go to Holly Springs
[52:45] from AF?
[52:46] » Yeah, that's a good point. So, it would
[52:48] essentially have to be replaced by that
[52:50] other route, the
[52:53] the Triangle Regional Express that would
[52:56] go all the way down to Holly Springs and
[52:58] Fugquway. But that's a good point. Yeah.
[53:00] So, the timing of that would be
[53:02] important, too.
[53:03] » And the new 311 that goes up Highway 55,
[53:06] that does go to Holly Springs Classic
[53:08] Park and ride spot. And well, just to
[53:11] make a little comment about the 311
[53:13] during the first two weeks it was in
[53:15] operation. I rode it for a curiosity.
[53:18] Everyone else on it that Friday were
[53:20] they were curious riders. They the
[53:22] drivers said they hadn't had anyone who
[53:23] was legitimately commuting. And on
[53:25] various transit posts, transit websites,
[53:28] people make videos about transit. They
[53:30] all were commenting that at least thus
[53:32] far in the first two weeks there weren't
[53:34] any legitimate that no one saw a
[53:37] legitimate person who parked and rode to
[53:39] a highpaying technology job in the
[53:42] research triangle park that it was so
[53:45] that's like really interesting whether
[53:46] the park and ride model I think we
[53:49] should watch 311. It'd be thrilling, you
[53:51] know, if they had 20 commuters riding
[53:54] that repeatedly, you know, at least
[53:56] during the morning and the afternoons.
[53:57] But thus far on the days that I rode,
[54:00] everyone was uh retired or disabled. And
[54:03] they were just curious like not a single
[54:05] one of us were going to use it for any
[54:07] kind of employment purpose. And the
[54:09] drivers kept asking, "Oh, are you going
[54:11] are you would you use this for a
[54:12] commute?" No. No. No one ever was. So I
[54:16] think we just need to watch it and think
[54:17] about what are realistic expectations
[54:21] for a more affluent employed population
[54:23] to use the bus.
[54:25] » I wonder what their outreach efforts
[54:26] look like if the if the route's fairly
[54:28] new with that parking ride. Like did you
[54:31] tell anybody that this was available
[54:33] that you could park and then get into
[54:34] your job at RTP?
[54:36] » Right. Outside of bus world. I think
[54:37] that's the problem. If you're a bus
[54:38] person and you follow the bus news then
[54:40] you saw it everywhere. Have we told the
[54:42] RTP companies, hey, if you've got staff
[54:44] over here that live this far out, we've
[54:47] got a route for them.
[54:49] » I will say one other little thing about
[54:50] the 311 is Go Triangle is great about
[54:53] having a public comment period, and it's
[54:55] well promoted again to bus world. I
[54:58] don't know about promotion to the
[54:59] general public, but they post service
[55:01] change comment periods on the bus stops
[55:03] and in the bus. And so I and I know
[55:06] there were other people the same way
[55:08] with the 311 service change. There were
[55:10] three of my requested route changes for
[55:14] Apex residents on the 311. For example,
[55:17] now it stops at High House and 55 where
[55:21] you can catch the Go Carry 4 and there's
[55:23] a Walmart neighborhood mart on one side
[55:26] of the intersection, a Dollar Tree on
[55:28] the other. And it was going to bypass
[55:29] that. And now it's stopping at the
[55:32] Aldi's on uh Highway 55 in Apex where I
[55:36] knew from a social media comments that
[55:38] there are people who live near there who
[55:40] really wanted access to the bus. So for
[55:42] them the 311 rather than being regional,
[55:45] it can be a short hop towards downtown
[55:47] Apex where they can catch the one. I
[55:49] mean that's in some ways the most
[55:51] valuable thing it does. And by that I
[55:53] mean maybe four or five people but you
[55:55] know ridership is low. So getting a few
[55:57] more people to be able to catch into the
[55:59] one which means they can catch into the
[56:01] nine or they could go to the four and go
[56:03] to the depot. Just the universe kind of
[56:06] opens up but on its own go triangle they
[56:10] were not going to do those stops. So it
[56:11] was a really good reminder to me that
[56:13] being loud and vocal and getting other
[56:15] people to say the same thing that you
[56:17] can change your route to serve our local
[56:19] population.
[56:23] Any
[56:31] other comments or questions?
[56:37] » Any other comments or questions?
[56:43] » Thank you, K.
[56:44] » Okay. Yeah, that was an action. Yeah.
[56:46] » Thank you so much.
[56:48] » Okay. This time we're gonna call on
[56:51] Jenna to talk about letters of support
[56:54] for the infrastructure grants.
[57:04] Hi, good evening. So this requested
[57:07] action is based on the task identified
[57:10] in the group's annual task work plan.
[57:14] So, at our last, excuse me, at our last
[57:15] subcommittee meeting, we discussed
[57:18] potentially giving the authority to the
[57:20] sub the infrastructure subcommittee
[57:23] to be able to sign infrastructure grant
[57:25] applications. And this is really in the
[57:28] event that there's not a regularly
[57:29] scheduled MTAB meeting. And they would
[57:32] be signed on behalf of the subcommittee.
[57:35] And yeah, just wanted to get this
[57:36] group's thoughts and see if this is
[57:38] something you'd be interested in.
[57:43] I think it makes sense to be able to
[57:45] look at grant applications and when they
[57:48] talk about signing the letters of
[57:49] support to be able to encourage the town
[57:51] to then apply for infrastructure grants
[57:54] » For the town to Yeah. All right. With a
[57:56] letter on behalf of the subcommittee to
[57:58] support the town's grant application.
[58:02] Yeah,
[58:02] » I think that makes total sense. I mean,
[58:03] if we're trying to get things done,
[58:07] » I agree cuz I think as a subcommittee,
[58:10] we would have more insight into the
[58:13] short-term and long-term plans of the
[58:15] town and how the application would fit
[58:18] into that plan
[58:20] » And we would work with the staff to
[58:22] develop the letters. Correct.
[58:23] » Yeah. We dropped it up and then asked
[58:25] for review if that sounds good.
[58:27] » Yeah. And and my question was that is um
[58:31] this would be the town wants to apply
[58:33] for a grant. It may be helpful to have a
[58:35] subcommittee submit a letter of support.
[58:39] » So it's essentially just supporting what
[58:41] the town is already planning to do.
[58:43] » And if it fits into the larger MTABS
[58:46] schedule, we may just bring it to the to
[58:48] we would bring it to this group. But if
[58:49] the timing doesn't work out Yeah.
[58:52] » But we do only meet every other month.
[58:54] So you don't want to slow things down.
[58:58] Jenna.
[58:58] » Yeah.
[58:59] » Just a point of clarification again. The
[59:01] the letter would be on behalf of the
[59:03] subcommittee or the full board,
[59:06] » Whoever signs it. Correct.
[59:09] » If if it was signed by the subcommittee,
[59:11] it would be on behalf of the
[59:12] subcommittee.
[59:13] » Okay.
[59:13] » Is what we're proposing.
[59:14] » Okay.
[59:16] » So, the subcommittee would not
[59:17] necessarily sign on behalf of the board.
[59:20] » Correct.
[59:20] » They would sign on behalf of the
[59:21] subcommittee
[59:22] » If it goes to them. That's correct.
[59:24] » That's what we're proposing. cuz I think
[59:25] the idea is because we meet every other
[59:28] month if there's an application in the
[59:31] interim, not having to wait an entire
[59:33] two month period to sign that letter of
[59:35] support. Is that the thought?
[59:36] » That's correct.
[59:37] » Yes. Okay.
[59:40] And that makes
[59:42] sense to me, too. What What discussion?
[59:45] Any other discussion?
[59:48] If no discussion, um would someone like
[59:51] to entertain a motion?
[59:55] » I move to grant authority to the
[59:57] infrastructure subcommittee to sign
[59:59] letters of support for infrastructure
[1:00:00] grant applications.
[1:00:02] » I'll second that. This is K.
[1:00:07] » Thank you.
[1:00:08] » Any discussion on that? Any more
[1:00:10] discussion? Any questions?
[1:00:13] If not,
[1:00:15] okay. All those in favor, please signify
[1:00:18] by saying I.
[1:00:19] » I.
[1:00:19] » I.
[1:00:20] » Anyone oppose?
[1:00:22] Okay, that's great. I think that's a
[1:00:24] great efficiency. That'll be great for
[1:00:26] y'all to review those. Okay, at this
[1:00:29] point, we'll call on Chris uh Watson to
[1:00:32] just give us someformational updates.
[1:00:34] Thanks, Chris.
[1:00:38] » Um, thank you. I do not have any
[1:00:40] specific highlights. I did just want to
[1:00:42] remind everyone um that some of the
[1:00:45] information that Katie presented on the
[1:00:48] weight bus plan materials and links are
[1:00:50] included in theformational items as well
[1:00:52] as some of the peak plan 2055 um
[1:00:56] additional information and links as
[1:00:58] well. So, if you haven't already, um,
[1:01:00] please review those to learn more about
[1:01:02] both the W bus plan and upcoming PE plan
[1:01:05] items. And then the subcommittee meeting
[1:01:06] dates should also accurately be
[1:01:08] reflected in theformational packet. But
[1:01:10] other than that, do not have any other
[1:01:11] highlights.
[1:01:18] A question on the
[1:01:20] ontime performance for bus route one. I
[1:01:24] don't know if it's because it's the
[1:01:26] summer seasonality, but there seems to
[1:01:28] be a continuing negative trend of
[1:01:30] on-time performance
[1:01:33] from April to through July from 85% to
[1:01:36] 75.6%.
[1:01:38] Do we know why?
[1:01:40] » Yeah, I know we've had some incidents um
[1:01:42] during that time period, but I'll first
[1:01:43] hand it over to Katie in case you want
[1:01:45] to provide any specific context with
[1:01:46] some of those specific percentages.
[1:01:50] Um, so we're up I'm looking at the graph
[1:01:53] right now. Can you hear me? Sorry.
[1:01:56] » Yes.
[1:01:56] » Um, and we're it looks like for FY26
[1:02:01] we're in the 80s. So I'm I'm I'm
[1:02:05] wondering if you're looking at the the
[1:02:07] wrong fiscal year on the graph because I
[1:02:09] know last year we did have some ontime
[1:02:12] issues primarily.
[1:02:13] » No. So, right. So, FY26, but then the
[1:02:16] first month being July continuing to dip
[1:02:20] and wanting to know outside of the two
[1:02:22] incidents mentioned on July 7th and July
[1:02:25] 20th, is there any other known
[1:02:27] explanation?
[1:02:29] » Um, I don't have those details.
[1:02:31] » Okay.
[1:02:32] Well, I have theories about this. As a
[1:02:34] bus rider, it's very concerning to me
[1:02:36] that the bus is being detourred through
[1:02:38] the Salem Streetscape construction zone
[1:02:41] and that forces it over both sets of
[1:02:44] railroad tracks at Hunter across from
[1:02:47] Town Hall. So, it's not just, you know,
[1:02:49] we saw in the incidents that a bus
[1:02:51] missed a loop entirely because of the
[1:02:53] railroad tracks. It's routine. I took
[1:02:56] the bus yesterday on the first stop
[1:02:59] coming out of the construction zone at
[1:03:01] Suvita grocery store and it was already
[1:03:04] 10 minutes late which is you know pretty
[1:03:06] unacceptable that early in the route.
[1:03:10] The other issue that's happening is
[1:03:12] there's a forced disembarkment at the
[1:03:15] municipal building and this partially
[1:03:17] explains boarding counts as well. So try
[1:03:21] to put this in context. Normally if I
[1:03:23] ride go Apex to a destination I board
[1:03:26] once, ride it to Walmart, reboard and
[1:03:29] take the bus close to home. Now what
[1:03:31] happens and this happens almost in every
[1:03:33] round trip. You go through the municipal
[1:03:36] building layover point. You used to be
[1:03:38] able to stay on that bus. You know it's
[1:03:41] only there for 3 to 10 minutes. So you
[1:03:43] stay in the air conditioning etc. But
[1:03:46] now it's a forced disembarkment since
[1:03:48] midappril. And that explains some of
[1:03:50] these numbers. So everyone has to get
[1:03:53] off. Not great for weather exposure, for
[1:03:56] safety, all kinds of problems. And then
[1:03:58] you reboard. So my trip that's two
[1:04:01] segments now is always counting as three
[1:04:04] segments. So that inflates numbers, but
[1:04:06] it's well known that the process of
[1:04:08] boarding and disembarking slows down bus
[1:04:12] service. So that's just another thing at
[1:04:15] the missile building. Every single time
[1:04:17] they have to wait for everyone to get
[1:04:18] off. in some cases, but someone who
[1:04:21] requires the ramp to walk off on because
[1:04:23] of the steep boarding slope and then
[1:04:26] because of now staff disagree with me. I
[1:04:28] believe that it's the detour and the
[1:04:30] railroad tracks are a big reason the bus
[1:04:33] is in my mind almost always behind
[1:04:36] schedule. Staff think it's traffic on
[1:04:38] Highway 55, which would certainly be a
[1:04:40] factor, but the the bus is behind
[1:04:43] schedule. So, the drivers are losing
[1:04:46] their break. They don't get a lunch
[1:04:47] break. only break they get is at the
[1:04:50] municipal building transfer point. So if
[1:04:52] they're behind schedule and they only
[1:04:54] get two minutes, they don't even have
[1:04:55] time to go to the restroom, eat a
[1:04:56] banana, smoke a cigarette. The drivers
[1:04:58] are speeding up once they're on the
[1:05:01] route, once they get out of the
[1:05:02] construction zone. It used to be that Go
[1:05:05] Apex would travel 15 to 20 m an hour.
[1:05:07] It's really slow because it's usually
[1:05:09] empty. It's usually doing the route and
[1:05:11] not stopping to pick people up. So the
[1:05:13] risk is normally ahead of schedule. Now
[1:05:16] the bus is coming out of downtown behind
[1:05:18] schedule and loop after loop after loop
[1:05:21] and the drivers are picking up speed.
[1:05:23] They're going like 45 to 50 m an hour on
[1:05:26] these rinky dink little buses, an Arbach
[1:05:29] and a Champion. And this is documented
[1:05:32] in videos. We're bumping and we're
[1:05:34] rattling and people are going airborne.
[1:05:36] People are being tossed out of their
[1:05:37] seats by a speeded up bus. So very
[1:05:40] strange things are happening with the
[1:05:43] drivers compensating for the detour,
[1:05:46] pulling into the municipal building a
[1:05:48] little bit late, dumping passengers off,
[1:05:50] racing to the restroom, making cell
[1:05:52] phone calls, picking up passengers. You
[1:05:54] can see how quickly we're late again,
[1:05:57] loop after loop, and then you get a
[1:05:58] train there, and you kind of see why,
[1:05:59] well, they just give up on finishing a
[1:06:02] 1-hour route.
[1:06:05] » No, thank you. That actually answers my
[1:06:08] next question which would be what to
[1:06:09] explain or how to explain the increase
[1:06:11] starting in May but your forced
[1:06:13] disembarkment just explain that. So are
[1:06:17] we. So what what changed in in April May
[1:06:19] to that people cannot stay on the bus?
[1:06:22] Do we know?
[1:06:23] » I'm sorry. Say that louder.
[1:06:24] » So what what changed in April or May
[1:06:26] with the disembarkment? is go carry the
[1:06:31] Cary decision is that they were g what
[1:06:33] go carries transit director said to me
[1:06:36] and I'll let staff correct with their
[1:06:38] own interpretation but what I was told
[1:06:40] is that it's always been the policy is
[1:06:43] that just drivers have always been
[1:06:45] ignoring it and now that the municipal
[1:06:47] building has a little tiny shelter it's
[1:06:50] two seats and a wheelchair space a
[1:06:52] little shelter that go triangle paid for
[1:06:55] for the 305 that sort of let them say,
[1:06:58] "Well, we're going to force people off
[1:06:59] the bus, but they have somewhere to
[1:07:01] stand or sit as protection from the
[1:07:03] rain." And that led them to enforce this
[1:07:05] policy.
[1:07:06] » But then when people get back on the
[1:07:07] bus, we count them again. Like, so
[1:07:09] somebody sitting there with a clicker
[1:07:11] going like, "Oh, yep. We got another
[1:07:13] rider."
[1:07:13] » And so now that it took a little
[1:07:15] conversation, right, to get Terry
[1:07:17] decision makers to admit that in fact it
[1:07:19] did help a lot with boarding statistics
[1:07:21] for the Go Carry 9, which is low
[1:07:23] ridership, and for Go apex number one.
[1:07:26] forces an extra up and down. But there's
[1:07:29] also the whole security issue that the
[1:07:31] percentage of homeless riders is
[1:07:33] increasing fast and furious. When we
[1:07:36] went to a vision zero safety conference
[1:07:39] as part of the go apex delegation, a
[1:07:43] police sergeant from Apex police was
[1:07:45] there and he was the first person to me
[1:07:47] who confirmed that ridership
[1:07:49] demographics have 100% changed. We are
[1:07:52] so likely in the winter most passengers
[1:07:55] were homeless. They were coming from
[1:07:56] Raleigh or Kerry, sleeping on the go
[1:07:58] apex bus. And so part of the force
[1:08:01] disembarkment is about homeless
[1:08:03] passengers. It makes it a less desirable
[1:08:06] route. It used to be if you never had to
[1:08:08] disembark, you could go back and sleep
[1:08:10] and just circle hour after hour after
[1:08:12] hour. Go Apex One was the best place to
[1:08:15] sleep if you were homeless and it was
[1:08:17] usually an empty bus. No one was going
[1:08:18] to bother you. you go to the back and
[1:08:20] you never have to get out. So that's
[1:08:22] part of it. But if you're going to force
[1:08:23] the homeless to get off the bus every
[1:08:26] hour, so it's a less desirable place to
[1:08:28] sleep. What happens is if you have
[1:08:30] someone like me, an older woman who's
[1:08:32] housed, it's now me plus the homeless
[1:08:35] passenger who's sitting at the municipal
[1:08:37] building. The drivers with their radio
[1:08:39] connection dispatched, they go to the
[1:08:41] back. So they're a little more safe from
[1:08:43] the homeless. I had my first experience
[1:08:45] of being panhandled at the municipal
[1:08:47] building. And this was in the morning.
[1:08:49] It was like 10:30 in the morning. But
[1:08:51] the homeless fellow waited until there
[1:08:54] was no one. There weren't dog walkers.
[1:08:56] There weren't employees. There wasn't
[1:08:57] cars. And came over and asked for money.
[1:08:59] And I was okay saying no. But a few
[1:09:02] moments later, his buddy, a second
[1:09:04] homeless person, got off the 305. And
[1:09:07] now it was me plus two homeless men. And
[1:09:09] you just think about that, right? If
[1:09:11] this had been a late route, if it had
[1:09:13] been after dark, the municipal building
[1:09:15] is closed, there's inadequate lighting,
[1:09:17] there's no security, unlike the other
[1:09:19] transfer points where the homeless
[1:09:20] congregate, we don't have a security
[1:09:22] guard there. That for me it meant do not
[1:09:25] ride at night, right? That there's just
[1:09:28] enough of a risk of some pressure of it
[1:09:30] feeling less safe. So there's all those
[1:09:33] complicated factors of why go carry is
[1:09:37] doing forced disembarkment. The final
[1:09:39] thing and you're being nice to let me
[1:09:41] talk about this. It's a burning issue in
[1:09:42] my head is if you are someone like me,
[1:09:45] someone or someone older or someone with
[1:09:46] walking cane and you have trouble with
[1:09:48] the boarding slope and now we're forcing
[1:09:50] us to do an extra up and down. For me
[1:09:53] personally, the down hurts more than
[1:09:56] going up for my injured hand. Then for
[1:09:59] me it was the final straw. I try not to
[1:10:01] ride go apex anymore. I mean that was
[1:10:03] just it. We have a detour. We have a
[1:10:05] sleep soap. We don't have enough weather
[1:10:07] protection. we have less security
[1:10:08] concerns. And then finally, the up and
[1:10:11] down. It's more serious than you might
[1:10:13] think for the vulnerable passengers. If
[1:10:15] you're young, able-bodied, really
[1:10:16] athletic, then it's not that much of a
[1:10:19] big deal unless it's extreme heat and
[1:10:21] rain. But for others of us, it was sort
[1:10:24] of a final straw there.
[1:10:28] » Thank you.
[1:10:29] » Thank you.
[1:10:30] » I'm also
[1:10:30] » I did want to point out a few things.
[1:10:32] So, we did increase the level of service
[1:10:35] provided in April. um and it continues
[1:10:38] to increase since then. So I don't think
[1:10:41] the wrership increases, you know, 100%
[1:10:46] due to the the Mason Street Municipal
[1:10:49] Building um policy enactment um by
[1:10:52] Goary. Um
[1:10:55] additionally, I just wanted to point out
[1:10:56] that some of Elizabeth's comments are
[1:10:58] speculative. we don't have confirmation
[1:11:01] of all of these items and we have other
[1:11:04] anecdotal evidence that that you know is
[1:11:07] not necessarily corroborating all that
[1:11:09] information. So I do want to point that
[1:11:10] out that this is one person's
[1:11:12] observation
[1:11:14] and you know we do continue to work with
[1:11:16] goary to make sure we're providing a
[1:11:18] good service. So I I do really want to
[1:11:20] point that out.
[1:11:23] » Thank you. I also wonder if some of this
[1:11:25] discussion can also be appropriate for
[1:11:27] the safety subcommittee to continue to
[1:11:28] kind of brainstorm some of these
[1:11:30] concerns and mitigation strategies um
[1:11:32] just because there's a lot that you
[1:11:34] brought up.
[1:11:36] » I think also to know your question about
[1:11:39] um delays um for example last couple
[1:11:42] weeks there was a small delay when the
[1:11:45] senior center was closed. Uh some of the
[1:11:47] construction workers were parking their
[1:11:48] vehicles in that circle lot. So, I mean,
[1:11:50] that was a simple, quick fix, but those
[1:11:53] um routes, those trips were probably
[1:11:56] going to be delayed, too. So, it's
[1:11:57] probably a combination of some of the
[1:11:59] concerns that Elizabeth brought up and
[1:12:00] also just some, you know, day-to-day
[1:12:03] impacts.
[1:12:04] » Sure.
[1:12:13] So, so the April, May, June 2026 numbers
[1:12:16] reflect the
[1:12:18] change in service frequency. So, the
[1:12:21] numbers went up, the the ridership
[1:12:22] numbers went up, but the the boarding
[1:12:24] per trip and the cost went down and the
[1:12:26] cost went up a little bit. Is that fair
[1:12:28] to say? Okay.
[1:12:31] » And that is average boardings per trip
[1:12:33] rather than per hour.
[1:12:34] » Mhm. So, it's not like you're dividing
[1:12:36] that by two buses.
[1:12:39] » I don't believe that's how that's split
[1:12:41] up.
[1:12:41] » Yeah. Revenue hour basically means for
[1:12:44] one vehicle. So, if we have two vehicles
[1:12:47] in service, um that's per vehicle.
[1:12:52] » So, like in J July, we think during an
[1:12:55] hour with two different buses, there
[1:12:57] were over five people
[1:12:59] riding during that hour. Is that what
[1:13:01] the statistic means?
[1:13:02] » Correct. Yep.
[1:13:11] Except of course you didn't have to
[1:13:12] recalculate based on the forced boarding
[1:13:14] at the municipal building. See it gets
[1:13:16] really tricky to convert this into human
[1:13:18] beings.
[1:13:28] Could I just ask one question? label of
[1:13:30] average boarding per trip and maybe it
[1:13:32] was discussed how do we define trip?
[1:13:35] » What is a trip?
[1:13:37] » What is a trip?
[1:13:39] » Um so the official measurement for
[1:13:42] transit ridership is called an unlin
[1:13:45] passenger trip which is one person
[1:13:47] boarding and one person al lighting the
[1:13:50] bus. Um so it's it's um not a round
[1:13:56] trip. It's not somebody transferring to
[1:13:58] two different buses. It's one one body
[1:14:02] on one boarding.
[1:14:06] » So So one body. So if me and Sam are
[1:14:10] there, if I board, is it a trip?
[1:14:13] » Yep.
[1:14:15] » And just because she's waiting, that's a
[1:14:17] trip or she doesn't even need to be
[1:14:19] involved.
[1:14:21] » I'm not sure.
[1:14:22] » Get on the bus, then it doesn't count.
[1:14:23] » It doesn't count, right? Yeah. So
[1:14:25] waiting passenger doesn't count just
[1:14:26] once you get on. But even if you go just
[1:14:28] to one next step it's still a complete
[1:14:30] trip.
[1:14:31] » Correct. Yeah.
[1:14:32] » Versus somebody who went to the from the
[1:14:34] start to the end that's also a trip.
[1:14:37] Correct.
[1:14:37] » Correct. Yeah. And larger agencies are
[1:14:40] required to measure something called
[1:14:41] passenger miles traveled which kind of
[1:14:44] gets that that that statistic that
[1:14:45] you're getting at. Um, but we don't we
[1:14:49] don't get that to that level of detail
[1:14:52] of like how many miles people are
[1:14:54] traveling.
[1:14:55] » Got it.
[1:14:56] » Could we do we have the technology to
[1:14:58] look at that?
[1:15:00] » Um, go Carrie probably has the
[1:15:02] technology to do that through their
[1:15:04] APCs, but we it's not part of our
[1:15:07] contract to necessarily get it. We could
[1:15:09] request information on that.
[1:15:18] Thank you.
[1:15:24] » Sorry, one more question,
[1:15:25] » Please.
[1:15:26] » The ontime percentage on page 72
[1:15:30] versus the ontime
[1:15:33] percentage on page
[1:15:36] 76.
[1:15:38] What's the difference
[1:15:43] » For a specific month or
[1:15:44] » Let's just say June it says 94.4%
[1:15:49] on page 70.
[1:15:50] » Uh it's paratransit the doortodoor
[1:15:53] service for disabled people is on the
[1:15:56] low second set. Yes. Versus a fixed bus
[1:15:59] route. Got it.
[1:16:04] » And why is one higher than the other on
[1:16:06] time?
[1:16:08] So the door-todoor service is a
[1:16:11] reservationbased trip service. Um so
[1:16:14] those are a separate set of ridership um
[1:16:18] that are it's calculated differently. So
[1:16:20] those are the the vans that will pick
[1:16:22] folks up and drop them off at a specific
[1:16:24] address. Um and so they're they're
[1:16:28] they're a different form of travel and
[1:16:30] so we have to report those numbers
[1:16:32] differently to FTA and to um our funding
[1:16:36] partners. Um so it's just they're
[1:16:38] considered different data sets.
[1:16:40] » Thank you.
[1:16:54] Any other questions on the info items?
[1:17:04] Okay, next up is other business.
[1:17:06] » Thank you.
[1:17:12] » Thank you. Okay, this is the um other
[1:17:16] business section where any board member
[1:17:19] can bring up anything um to introduce a
[1:17:22] topic that's not included on the regular
[1:17:24] agenda. Does anybody have um one of
[1:17:27] those items they'd like to discuss or
[1:17:29] bring to the bring to the advisory
[1:17:32] board?
[1:17:43] Okay,
[1:17:45] seeing none, if we don't have any other
[1:17:48] business,
[1:17:50] » Just one comment about you'll see
[1:17:51] November 4th is our next meeting. Just a
[1:17:53] reminder with the um proposal. Yeah.
[1:17:57] » And we'll send out reminders before
[1:17:59] » Next regular meetings, Wednesday,
[1:18:00] November 4th. Um it'll be here before we
[1:18:04] know it. So again, um, to everybody,
[1:18:07] happy transit week and I appreciate all
[1:18:10] the works everybody done and I believe
[1:18:12] this is a first.
[1:18:14] » Get out a little early.
[1:18:16] » We need to move to ajourn.
[1:18:18] » Yes, it will. Um,
[1:18:19] » So moved.
[1:18:20] » Yeah. Do we have a second?
[1:18:22] » I second it. Second.
[1:18:24] » Okay, we have a motion, a second. All in
[1:18:26] favor of adjourning?
[1:18:27] » I Anyone oppose and stay long.
[1:18:32] » Thank you guys so much. Great work
[1:18:33] everybody. Thank you.
[1:18:38] » Wow,
[1:18:39] » That's official.