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It's a little weak. Yeah. I'd like to
call to order the Apakka Community

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Redevelopment Agency meeting for August
24th, 2026 at 5:00 p.m. here at the

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Apakka Community Center. Uh we will
start with an approval of the CRA

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meeting minutes for April 15, 2026. Uh
did everyone have an opportunity to

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review them? Any questions, any
adjustments that need to be made?

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If not, I will look for a motion to
approve uh the CRA meeting minutes for

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April 15, 2026.
>> So moved.

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» Moved by member
Velasquez.

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» Second by uh member Anderson. All those
in favor say I.

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» I.
>> All opposed. Motion carries

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[clears throat] unanimously. On to
public comment. Mrs. Bone, do we have

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anyone that has submitted a card to
speak? Would anybody from the public

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wish to speak or address the CRA board?
If not, we will close public comment

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period and move on to our new business.
Uh, starting with the fifth street

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lighting project.
Who is running with that one?

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» I can I can introduce it
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» Louder than I expected. Sorry. And
Forbes, economic development director.

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So, we had been carrying a project under
the CRA budget that was specifically

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called Station Street Lighting Project.
However, it did not have a defined

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scope. When I reached out to Duke to try
to get a little bit more um context, um

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we walked the site and found that it
might be more advantageous for it to be

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um along Fifth Street instead of Station
Street as at least a phase one of the

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project. So throughout those
conversations of which by the way the

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representative from Duke is here um he
uh started in that phase one by offering

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us proposed scope as well as pricing. So
as you know the CRA is able to fund for

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infrastructure
um but it will not be able to um pay for

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ongoing maintenance. I just want to keep
that in mind. Um and so is where did he

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go?
>> Oh there he is. Come on up. [laughter]

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And so, uh, the gentleman here is Jerry,
um, Brooks from Duke, and then he will

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lead the presentation.
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» Do my best.
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walk around and say hello, but uh,
and great. I can't see that.

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» Your mic [clears throat] on? I can't
tell if your mic's on or not.

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» Hello.
>> There you go. Speak. Yeah. Right into

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» All right. Speak right in here.
>> Okay. So, this has been going on for a

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couple of years that we've been trying
to, I guess, put something on Fifth

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Street or create an area for downtown
that has that walkabout feeling of going

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to restaurants and uh whatever activity
is going on.

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So going and visiting other cities that
have lighting, the beastro type

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lighting, and looking, you know, how
they're mounting and things like that,

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uh we've been able to come up with some
ideas of how to put this together. And

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as you know, we have Duke lights out
there along the road, but we can't

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attach anything to those lights to
support something like this. There's a

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lot of stress that goes between pole to
pole to pole when you do this correctly.

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I realize people can hang street, you
know, string lights in your backyard and

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things like that. Whole different
situation when you're doing it

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commercially and there's liability
involved and things like that. So, this

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is following a very professional
installation.

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Um, and it'll show you the mounting
heights and things like that. So, I

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don't want to just read this, but let me
just kind of go through it. Um, so we're

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looking at putting the lights um along
Fifth Street in between uh Park and

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Central, but not end to end. Like it
would stop

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just before the entrance here to this
building. So on Fifth Street and then

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going down about where that mark um like
a food store or something on on that

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corner there. So it would start at the
beginning of that the beginning going

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towards it. Okay. So you would have the
lights coming down and they would cross

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back and forth going down the road as we
go. So that would take roughly 10 poles

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uh in order to do that. The poles have
to be separate from the poles we have

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out there and they need to be concrete
because when you're putting that stress

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I could not find an aluminum pole that
would support that. I tried because it

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would be, you know, I'm tried to be the
took the most coste effective route that

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I could take in putting this together.
So looking at it two different ways,

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um, we I quoted it with and without
audio. So you could play music and have

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the speakers attached to the poles and
done from the beginning with that

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together.
So, one of the things about when you go

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to audio,
um, we would go like every other poll

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for speakers,
but you're going to need an amplifier,

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and then there would be a tuner, which
is included in the cost. Um, but it's

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it's kind of a streaming thing. So, we
need Wi-Fi. So, you're going to have to

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find a business along Fifth Street that
would be willing to host the amplifier.

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um you know for music if we go that
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all right maybe go next slide. I don't
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So we're looking at
um about 950 lights. That's approximate

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because when you get out there and you
start putting them up it could change.

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It just depends on the lengths of, you
know, they're crisscrossing as you go

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through and
doesn't come out perfect at 950. Um, the

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pricing that I give you includes the
installation, the labor, and the cost to

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put this together. So, where we be would
we be getting power from is in Fifth

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Street parking towards the back
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the other side.
There's already a meter and a panel. So,

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we would upgrade the panel and tie into
that. So, that's where the electricity

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would be coming from. We would bore that
underground so we don't have another

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overhead wire and we would bring it out
to the rightway area. And there we would

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have our first pole. Well, it would be
the second pole coming off a park, but

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there would be a pole there. We would go
up the pole inside of it. So you don't

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see the wire have a receptacle at the
top and then from there we would go out

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two different directions with the power
and it would go along with the string

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lights. You know you won't see a
separate power wire.

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Okay.
Um so these would be 25 foot black

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concrete poles 5T going around. So the
mounting height is 20 feet and you've

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got a sag. Anytime you do beastro string
lighting, you're going to have a sag in

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the lights with roughly 2 feet. So
you're looking at minimum 17t clearance,

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which is above where we need to be. So
we're we're looking to put it at 18t of

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clearance.
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» So that won't interfere with any of
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or
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your big concern is you got fire engines
hook and ladder and things like that.

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Even the Duke trucks are have to, you
know, we've got stuff piled on some of

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those things with the buckets and stuff.
So, we're Yeah, everything will clear

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through that.
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everything we do here. So, there's a
little bit more description about the

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amplifier and the speakers and all that
kind of stuff. This is just an

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introduction to it. So if you decide to
proceed with any of this and you want

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some details on anything, happy to
provide whatever you need. Okay,

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next slide. So that just kind of shows
you the beginning and ending point and

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then how they would basically the lights
would cross going down the road. The

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idea behind this design is this could
carry on and we could take it over the

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Sixth Street to Station Street and keep
the flow going around. Right now, the

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only businesses are on Fifth Street.
Yeah. So, until we figure out how to go,

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but we can we can keep this going. We
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the city, which I know you have land, if
you do build something over there, you

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could host the amplifier, the the sound
and and do all that yourselves. You

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know, I think if you want to do the
music, you try to work that in in the

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beginning and you just find one of those
local businesses um that are willing to

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host it until you get your own facility.
You just can't build a cabinet and put

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it outside because of heat conditions
um without a major cost of air

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conditioning that cabinet. So,
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regards to the the liability, I guess
that's a a question for the attorney

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because if something happens with
lightning strike or something and it

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damage, you know, other things within
that building, then we'll be held

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liable. Is that correct?
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ultimately

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Yes. Am I understanding correct?
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private business. Well, it's different
things. So, if it's a private business

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that don't own the building, then that's
an issue within itself because of that

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private business go out of business. Do
they is the agreement with the with the

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business owner? Is it with the person
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it's just a lot of different because a
lot of those are are tenants. So, I

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guess the agreement will probably have
to be with both.

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» That's typically the case. Yes. And as
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mean, there's some some steps you can
take to disclaim the liability. As far

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as liability goes, there would have to
be an element of negligence on the

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city's part to establish liability
obviously. Um, and uh, you know,

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depending on how the lights were placed
and what role the city had in that,

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there'd be a lot of layers to to look
at. But um generally so to speak as far

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as the agreement goes would have to be
with any interested party and liability

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would be have to be assessed according
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» and and the maintenance of in regards to
like the power the bill itself is like a

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separate bill will be like on a separate
I'm just trying to understand it.

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» Yeah. So with the monthly well when we
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fine and I'll be happy to explain it but
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yeah so right here on this slide we're
kind of showing you where the layout

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would be and that kind of thing. So I
think the next one is price.

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» No, I think the pricing
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» packet.
>> Okay, it's in your packet. Um yeah,

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» it was in the uh
the latter one I sent you. I Yeah, sorry

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about that. Okay, so price-wise
kind of like

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at the end of the day, there's just one
big number, right? And it's the cost of

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all the poles, the labor putting it in,
the materials, everything to to make

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this happen.
And that can be divided up in multiple

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ways. You can say, "We just want to pay
for it, own it, and we'll take care of

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the maintenance."
Okay, that's one option you could have.

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A lot of times, most every time we do
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developers or anything, it's, hey, we
may put some money into it, but we'd

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like to lease the lights and know that
they're maintained,

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the poles and the lights and and all
that. So, I put it together

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um where we could go anyway, but just to
give you an idea u to keep the monthly

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fee low. So, I know public works might
have to take that on. Um, without the

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audio,
we're looking at

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around 70,000 down and that would give
you like a $55 a month fee. Or if you

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went 50,000 down, it jumps to a $28 fee
monthly. And that would that would

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include the maintenance. Is that perole
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» No, no, that's total. Total. Yeah. So,
I'm just showing you some flexibility. I

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can go all the way from zero money down
to a higher monthly or we can about the

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lowest I can go for monthly is about
$55. It would include the maintenance

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and all that. And and and this is
something that Duke does with you on an

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a regular basis where we have lighting.
This is through our non-reg side of the

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company. Uh so which we refer to as
non-native as well. It just gives us the

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flexibility of working with lighting
that's not under a tariff. So

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» so the annual maintenance that is
included during the life agreement where

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is this is some this is separate from
the warranty maintenance of the lights.

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That's something separate because in the
slide it said something about the annual

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maintenance is included during life
agreement.

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» Yeah. So during during the time of the
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» Oh okay. Okay. So, we don't have to
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» Correct.
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» yeah. That's typical with any MUN.
They're not in the lighting business and

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a utility is typically asked to try to
include that. So, I did.

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» What was the maintenance that you were
because I know there was some

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maintenance that we we have. What is the
maintenance that you're referencing that

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we were responsible for?
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» So, in reference to referring to Sorry.
So it refers to the month the monthly

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fee that they're referring to. The C
could not incur that cost

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» that one. Okay. Thank you.

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» Okay. That was without audio. So the
price goes up a little bit more with

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audio. And so we're looking if you put
$103,000 down, it'd be like $58 a month.

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Or if you want to go with just 50,000
down, it'd be like 474 a month. So

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again, these this is showing you some
flexibility. We can play with the

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numbers about how much down where you
want to be monthly. Uh, but it does

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accomplish getting you this lighting
installed professionally with the

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materials I spoke about. So, with that,
I'd just say if there's any questions,

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» any questions?
>> Excuse me, I'm sorry. You want me to go?

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» Police.
>> Okay. If I understood your presentation,

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you indicated that this was
forformational purposes only.

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» Yeah. Yeah. I didn't send an agreement
to sign or anything like that.

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» Yeah. Is it the city's intent that those
lights remain up 24 hours a day, 7 days

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a week, or if a hurricane were to come,
do the lights come down?

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» The lights stay?
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» So, the lights are going to be designed
in such a way attached to the poles that

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it's going to be able to withstand 100
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» U about minimum 140.
And that includes the bulbs.

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» Will the bulbs shatter with the wind?
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different situation, but um the the the
total design is designed around to meet

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a minimum of 140 miles an hour.
>> That includes the poles.

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» Oh, 100%. That's why we went to
concrete. that that's where we failed on

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the aluminum and through um uh
engineering we just couldn't get to pass

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the wind load.
>> All right. So, when I look at the costs

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that you're proposing,
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uh,
if this, and I'm only going to

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concentrate on the without audio
at the $70,000

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construction payment,
the uh total

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warranty maintenance fee for 240 months
is [clears throat]

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$13,200.
When you when you lower it to 50,000,

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then all of a sudden the monthly fee
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which is uh 30
$36,000 increase.

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Now, when you spread it over the cost
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it's only $16,000, which I thought was a
little

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I'm I'm trying to grasp the right
adjective. [clears throat]

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Questionable relative how the
maintenance fee goes up $150, the city

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incurs 30 $36,000.
However, I guess because of the extra

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$20,000,
then that makes up the difference

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between that and the uh $16,000.
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the only other thing I could add is I
know we have a board item up uh that's

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we're going to discuss about
design standards,

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development codes. Um, I'm not really a
fan of incrementally putting

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design standards or a design in the CRA
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Planners call that visual pollution. So,
I don't think the city wants to add

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visual pollution to Fifth Street or any
other fifth street or or any other

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street in the city without having some
sort of master plan. So if this is

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onlyformational purposes then I
understand that. [clears throat]

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Any other questions?

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Appreciate the information. Definitely
helpful. I know this was a conversation

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topic for a while. So to actually put
some hard numbers to it is definitely

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appreciated. Um I I guess at a future
CRA or even now if there's uh comments

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on whether we want to move forward with
something in this regard or if we want

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to wait until uh like member Drago had
said we establish some design standards

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and then kind of back into this from
there that may make sense as well. Uh

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depending on what our goals are and
things like that. Obviously with um

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changing markets, changing economy,
changing political pressures and a

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changing uh board our priorities are
going to change as well. So I think

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going through this will help to define
what we're looking for, what we're

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trying to achieve. So appreciate your
time. Thank you very much.

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» Welcome. Okay. Thanks.
>> Thank you.

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» Thank you, Mr.
>> Next up, we have the approval of request

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to extend the community redevelopment
agency term.

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» Mrs. Forbes,
>> that is me. So the next item that is up,

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I just want to do a point of
clarification. There was a clerical

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error for the resolution number. It
should read resolution number 2026-03

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for the record. So this item uh and just
in terms of a little bit of background,

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our CRA established in 1993. Obviously
you know our CRAAS are for redevelopment

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to improve infrastructure amenities and
support businesses and property owners.

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in accordance with our in local
agreement with Orange County, we do have

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to formally request an extension um as
part of executing our redevelopment

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plan. And by the way, let me know
anytime you can't hear me because I keep

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moving the microphone. Um so, as
background, as part of that interlocal

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agreement, we have had conversations
with the county, including submitting

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our annual performance report, which is
part of that interlocal agreement.

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There's also an annual report that's
required to give to our um uh governing

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authority which is also the county which
is listed in statutes. We've also

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provided that as well. So I'm just
giving you some context of how we've

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been compliant. We've also provided them
our financial statements as well in um

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April of 23.
Um and then in June of uh June 10th, we

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submitted a letter expressing the CRA's
intent to update its master plan. We

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also provided them a list of our
expenditures for FY23,

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24, and 25. We provided them a list of
all CRA projects. We also provided them

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a grant summary of all of our incentive
um assistance programs.

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There we go. So, this resolution 2026-03
uh formally in requests the extension by

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the CRA board. And I want to be clear
that this item is also going to come

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before the city commission. But um I
thought it was important that even

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though it's not say required for the CRA
to request an extension, I thought it

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was important because not all our board
members are part of the city commission

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to give you the opportunity to see that
we are formally requesting um the

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extension of the CRA in order to
continue with our redevelopment um um

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activities. Uh I also have made a point
of

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um
showcasing how our projects or any

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activity that I bring before the board
meets not only Florida statutes but also

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the city's adopted plan. So you'll see
that going forward in the powerpoints

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where it shows that it meets in this
case um section 163.3755

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of Florida statutes that establishes or
authorizes the extension of the CRA um

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upon approval of the governing bodies
and it also meets our strategic plan for

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economic development and infrastructure
and transportation.

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So, our recommended motion or we what
we're requesting is the approval of CRA

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resolution 2026-03
authorizing the extension of the city of

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Apaka CRA and directing staff to
transmit to the city commission for

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consideration in accordance with section
163.3755

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of Florida statutes.
>> Thank you, Miss Forbes. Any questions?

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Yes, member Drego. What I tried and I
couldn't get the information is the last

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time that the city asked for an
extension to the county. Well, who was

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the authorizing
agency? Was it the city commission?

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Was it the CRA? I don't think it was the
CRA. I venture to guess it was a city

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commission that asked for the extension
three years ago. That's going to expire

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this year. That's the first issue
because when you go back and read the

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enabling legislation,
the uh taxing authority, which is the

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city of Apopka and Orange County, are
the ones that entered into the

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agreement, not the CRA.
Now, in the heading of this resolution,

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uh it states that
well, I'll read it in I'll read it in

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its entirety for the public. a
[clears throat] resolution in the

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community development agency of the city
of Apka requesting

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the extension of the city of Apopka
community redevelopment agency affirming

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the continuing and need for community
redevelopment activities directing the

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transmitt of this resolution to Orange
County. If I read that correctly, it

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goes from here to Orange County. It
doesn't go to the city commission

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providing for conflict severability and
effective date. Now [clears throat]

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normally under these resolutions and
ordinances the first whereas the second

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whereas the third fourth and fifth when
you get down to the now therefore

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resolved section one and the first
whereas needs to be compatible or

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aligned with one another in this
resolution.

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The second whereas
talks about the redevelopment the

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redevelopment activities redevelopment
incentive programs so on and so forth.

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However, the section two reads as the
following. The board of directors hereby

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and this I would assume this board of
directors approves the extension

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which is contradictory to the heading of
the city of Apopka redevelopment agency

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and finds that continue and so on and so
forth. What I don't see here is where

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what's the time extension? Is it one
year, two years, three years? And

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if this board doesn't have the authority
to grant the extension, which I don't

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think they do, only the county can grant
it, then number two needs to be rewarded

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to
request an extension of some time frame

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to either the city commission or Orange
County. And lastly, the uh adoption date

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needs to be the 24th of August.

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[snorts]
>> Any comments from staff?

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» Sure, I can I can address those.
[laughter]

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So, on the first one, you are accurate
that it needs to be the city commission

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that is requesting that extension. As I
mentioned in the the the precursor, I

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was saying that I was affording the
opportunity to the entire board because

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not all of the Siri board members are
part of the city commission. So I wanted

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to afford the opportunity for you to see
that we are in fact or rather the board

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was requesting an extension um to the
the city commission. It is this

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resolution will be part of the
supporting documents that will be on the

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city commission's agenda so that they
also are aware that if it is approved

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that this went through the process and
then you also mentioned reference um to

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a specific time period. So our
interlocal agreement that's already been

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executed with the county specifies that
time period which is the additional

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seven years. And then you also
referenced about some of the language or

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the whereas clauses um that can be uh
edited if you if the board so desires to

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do so. The intent though um is basically
to

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to affirm the board's request to have
the CRA extended in conjunction with the

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city commission.
If it's your intent

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to send this to the city commission for
them to reapprove it and send it to

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Orange County, then
the request for an extension of seven

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years needs to be consistent both in the
heading and in section two.

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Um
now

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your um
explanation of giving this to the board

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first before it goes to the city
commission.

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Um I understand that.
I guess the other example I can use is

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the city commission
received a ordinance

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for the appointment of a CRA member.
Uh

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this board was not given the courtesy to
look at that ordinance first before it

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went to the city commission. Went to the
city commission first and it was adopted

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by the city commission. So I don't see
that or I don't see that specific

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ordinance on the board for us to give
input.

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» And I can speak to a little bit of that
too. This is how I see this, and I could

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be wrong. Please update or interrupt me,
staff, and correct me here. This is more

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of a uh a nicity. We don't have to do
this. This is not required by law or

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statute. This is more to say, hey, as a
board, we want to have the city of Apka

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Commission request an extension
regardless of what that extension looks

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like. Uh it's up to the city commission
to get the extension with Orange County

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and obviously Orange County to agree
with it. uh we can make whatever changes

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we need to, but at the end of the day,
this legally has no bearing on whether

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or not we get an extension. So, we can
update it if it's the board's uh desire

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to update the language uh to what board
member Drago is recommending here. But,

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it's definitely not required. And if you
feel this is superfluous, then we don't

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need to do it. Nobody needs to pass it.
But I do think it's a hey, the board as

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a whole uh said we do want to extend it.
And then this go transmits to um state

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of Apka commission. the commission
whether or not this is there can approve

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or deny whether we want to extend it. Um
specific to the actual appointment side

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of the board members it has not been
approved yet. Let me say that uh

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language has to come back and will be
back on the agenda for September 2nd. Uh

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but it's also in reference to who the
city of Apopka commission can approve on

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that. Um Orange County gets to decide
who they get to approve and we don't get

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to look at their guidelines for what
that looks like. So, I think it it

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matches what Orange County does as well.
And staff, if you would like to add

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anything or if that's
>> Okay. Thank you.

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» Any other questions, comments on this
one?

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» Well, my only other comment is if it's
going to be brought before the city

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commission as the authority having
jurisdiction, then

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it needs to be re rewarded
and presented to the city commission for

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approval. And that is the the actual
time extension and and the request for

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extension. And first of all, did anybody
contact the county to see if the county

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is willing to extend the CRA given the
fact that you have amendment three and

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the county has several CRAAS that's
going to be up for termination by the

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end of this year.
>> I have been in direct contact with uh

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Orange County. Right now, at this point,
they have paused all extensions of CRAAS

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until the vote for the amendment goes
through in one way or the other. So,

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they're willing to take in applications
for renewal, but they're not uh

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accepting anything until they know where
where their budget stands, so to speak.

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So, uh so we are in in direct
conversation with them, making sure we

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understand where their expectations are.
and uh and that was with the uh county

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manager's office or excuse me, county
administrator's office is who we got

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that information directly from. So, uh
they did tell us that they're pausing

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right now, but at the same time, please
submit what you do have just in case we

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are ready to get move forward. They'll
they'll get the ball rolling as quick as

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they um choose to. And keep in mind,
too, they'll be going through a

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leadership change both on the mayor's
side and both our districts and many

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districts throughout the county. So,
there's a lot of changes that are going

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to be coming. So, it gives them some
time to settle in as well. So, um, I'm

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okay to change any language in this.
Again, this is more of a a nicity to

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make sure this board is all on the same
page. And so, if there's any specific

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language, uh, you'd like us to change it
to, uh, I'm open to a motion with the

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language you'd like to adjust, and we
can go from there.

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» Okay. So I move uh amending resolution
2026-03

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specifically in section two to read. The
board of directors hereby requests the

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extension of seven years
of the city of a popular community

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development agency and finds that
continued redevelopment activities

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remain necessary to carry out the
purpose of the community redevelopment

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plan and that the pass and adopt section
be amended to state the 21st day of

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August 2026.
>> So moved by member Drago

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» second. Second by member Anderson. All
those in favor say I.

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» I.
>> Pardon me. We we will have to take

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public comment on that item.
>> I apologize for that. Yes.

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Public comment.
Uh we'll close public comment. All

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right. Uh so we do have a a motion, a
second, and all those in favor say I.

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» I. I.
>> All opposed. Motion carries unanimously.

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All right. Next up, we have the down
payment assistance program.

414
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:28,720
» So Oh, here we go. Sorry. So, the down
payment assistance program uh is a

415
00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:32,480
policy in draft that we're looking um to
get the temperature of the board and to

416
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:36,559
establish guidelines as well as an
application process to create a home

417
00:32:34,159 --> 00:32:40,320
ownership program that offers financial
assistance to first-time home buyers

418
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:44,960
within the CRA.
Capitalizing off of the success of our

419
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:48,880
residential renovation assistance
program where we have assisted

420
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:53,279
homeowners in the rehab of their
residential properties. We thought to

421
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:57,519
staff thought to expand some home
ownership opportunities by providing

422
00:32:55,039 --> 00:33:02,159
eligible assistance to
eligible home buyers looking to purchase

423
00:32:59,679 --> 00:33:05,919
single family homes. Um obviously this
would support home ownership and

424
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:09,919
residential revitalization. Um eligible
properties include existing homes, new

425
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:16,159
constructions, or homes requiring
significant rehab. Uh the assistance

426
00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:20,640
we're looking at is up to 25% of the
purchase price with a maximum value of

427
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:25,039
30,000 be structured as a deferred
non-advertising zero interest second

428
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:28,399
mortgage. Uh the assistance will be
applied to the principal mortgage and

429
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:34,240
the funding will be subject to budget
availability which we have put in the um

430
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:38,159
FY27 proposed budget which is still
subject to be reviewed and adopted and

431
00:33:36,399 --> 00:33:43,200
it will be awarded on a first come first
service excuse me first served basis

432
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:46,399
with the goal of reducing the upfront
barrier to home ownership while

433
00:33:44,559 --> 00:33:51,200
encouraging investment in long-term
owner occupancy within the CRA. We would

434
00:33:49,679 --> 00:33:58,320
require a five-year homestead
requirement as well as um some sort of

435
00:33:55,120 --> 00:34:03,039
um mortgage or um restricted covenant to
secure public investment. We would also

436
00:34:00,799 --> 00:34:07,039
require a home buyer education course
before the closing and dispersement of

437
00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:11,440
funds. Income documentation would be
required for reporting demographic

438
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:16,240
purposes. Um although this program would
not be based on income eligibility, the

439
00:34:14,399 --> 00:34:20,800
collection of that data would also help
in terms of the affordable housing

440
00:34:18,399 --> 00:34:26,000
component which is under um Florida
statutes of which CRAAS are eligible to

441
00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:31,359
participate in. Uh we would require that
financial um and project documentation

442
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:35,280
prior to closing. Uh the assistance
cannot be combined with any other CRA or

443
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:40,399
city housing programs in order to
prevent duplication of services and

444
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:44,879
maximize um funding availability. Uh
funds will be limited to the approved

445
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:49,440
award amount and the applicants will be
responsible for any cost that exceeds

446
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:54,000
the award.
So this um program still has to be

447
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:58,000
reviewed through um legal but we wanted
to get the temperature like I said of

448
00:34:55,919 --> 00:35:03,760
the board before we moved forward any
further. It meets Florida statutes that

449
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:06,560
um 163.362C
that requires a community development

450
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:12,640
plan to provide for the development
affordable housing in the redevelopment

451
00:35:08,079 --> 00:35:16,480
area as well as 163713E
that requires CRA's track and report

452
00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:20,720
affordable housing projects in the area.
It meets the city strategic objective of

453
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:24,960
economic viability. It also meets the
CRA master plan goal to advocate

454
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:29,599
provisions for adequate housing in good
condition.

455
00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:33,440
So, our recommended motion would be the
approval and adoption of the down,

456
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:38,720
excuse me, the down payment assistance
grant program um as presented by staff

457
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:42,400
and authorized implementation um with
the accordance in the accordance of

458
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:49,359
updated policies and guidance effective
October 1 contingent upon the adoption

459
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:53,040
of the FY27 budget also contingent upon
legal review.

460
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:56,720
» Thank you, Miss Forbes. Any questions?
>> I do. So, I want to say thank you. Thank

461
00:35:55,200 --> 00:36:00,320
you. Thank you. This is something, you
know, I've been advocating for from day

462
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:03,280
one about the importance of this down
payment assistance program. So, I want

463
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:07,200
to kind of go through, bear with me
because I have a lot of, you know, um,

464
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:13,440
things I want to kind of discuss. So,
the first thing is in regards to the 25%

465
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:17,440
of purchase price up to um, I recommend
like most down payment assistance

466
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:21,280
programs that we and just so you guys
know, I do I am a certified HUD

467
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:25,839
counselor and I have administered these
funds before. So I'm very well diverse

468
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:30,800
when it comes to um dist dis dist
dispersing um funds. So I just want to

469
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:33,599
say that. So one thing I do think is 25%
of purchase price can be excessive

470
00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:38,560
depending on the purchase price. If it's
$600,000 I know it's up to $30,000. Um

471
00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:44,720
but I do think it will be better if we
have like you know 10,000 15,000 $20,000

472
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:49,920
like in boxes like that tiers.
>> That's the first thing. Uh the second

473
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:55,520
thing it's it's says that it should be
uh principal mortgage or only um I think

474
00:36:53,200 --> 00:37:01,520
we should expand that to closing costs
because a depending on of the

475
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:05,200
home buyer they a lot of times they
don't have closing cost assistance and

476
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:09,839
they don't have the down payment. So
that up to that 25% can probably cover

477
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:15,359
their down payment their closing cost
and make it more affordable as well. Uh

478
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:19,359
also part of the application it also
says that in the lending requirements

479
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:25,640
that
it only and let me go to that what

480
00:37:21,359 --> 00:37:25,640
number it is. Give me one second

481
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:42,079
only FHA VA um loans. I also recommend
DSCR. DSCR is um also have a product for

482
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:48,160
first-time home buyers as well. Um a lot
of time that product is for your home

483
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:53,839
buyers that are um
are um what do you call it um forgive me

484
00:37:51,359 --> 00:37:57,040
in not investors that are um
self-employed. A lot of self-employed

485
00:37:55,599 --> 00:38:01,280
borrowers do not qualify for your
traditional FHA and VA financing. So a

486
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,920
lot of times that DSCR product is like a
bank statement product. They look at

487
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:07,839
your you know your bank statements and
they qualify off of that. a lot of

488
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:12,480
first-time home buyers uh use that
program as well. So, if we can extend it

489
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:18,240
to also include DSCR for first-time home
buyers, uh that would be good as well.

490
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:22,240
Um also,
it talks about the dispersing of funds.

491
00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:28,079
Um, I don't recommend any type of
dispersement of funds um that that go it

492
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:33,839
should be dispersed at closing um to a
title agent and we should not allow them

493
00:38:31,359 --> 00:38:37,920
to reserve funds upfront without a
contract and um executed contract. And I

494
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:41,200
know it's kind of like language in here
that says that they have to have the

495
00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:44,240
application filled out but then also say
they can apply for it without it. So I

496
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:48,720
think we need to kind of comb that out
because if we reserve funds for a

497
00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:51,920
hundred people and you know they have up
to you know six months to use it and

498
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:55,680
they don't qualify now we have taken
that money off the market for available

499
00:38:53,680 --> 00:39:00,520
people that are ready and able to buy
now. Um in addition to that

500
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:12,960
it also talk about it's a license uh
contractor advancement. Um, I don't

501
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:18,720
recommend that we advance any funds to
uh any contractor. I think uh once the

502
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:22,400
property uh is on the contract and the
only time should be dispersed is when

503
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:24,720
they're actually at closing and it
shouldn't go towards because that's a

504
00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:28,640
whole liability within itself. I don't
even understand how that would look like

505
00:39:25,839 --> 00:39:34,240
if we're given assistance prior to uh
the person property uh closing on the

506
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:42,000
property. And
that's all for now.

507
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:47,760
But I um we uh when I say that we the
board approved some other entitlement

508
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:53,240
programs. One was a demolition I think
up to $50,000.

509
00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:53,240
Uh

510
00:39:54,560 --> 00:40:00,000
that that demolition grant cannot be
used as part of the down payment. Is

511
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,960
that right?
>> Okay.

512
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:08,400
» Correct. And we also uh had another
entitlement program where we give some

513
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:12,640
architect or engineer $50,000 to design
something. So

514
00:40:11,119 --> 00:40:15,680
» I'm sorry. May I may may I interrupt you
and just say that program was not

515
00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:17,520
approved. The board did not approve that
design architectural engineering

516
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,440
program.
>> But the first one they did with the

517
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,680
demolition.
>> Yes, sir.

518
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:25,839
» With the amendment that historical
structures are prohibited.

519
00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:28,160
» Is that right?
>> From dem from demolition.

520
00:40:27,839 --> 00:40:31,839
» Yes.
>> Correct.

521
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:36,560
» Okay. So the question I have here is um
in the third paragraph it states

522
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:40,720
home buyers who purchase a vacant lot
with the intent to build a new home or

523
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:47,440
home buyers who purchase a home that
requires significant rehabilitation.

524
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:50,440
Is that rehabilitation interior or
exterior?

525
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:59,280
» Why do you ask? I guess where you going
with that? Where I'm going with it is

526
00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:04,720
that I I don't in keeping with the
demolition permit or entitlement program

527
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:11,440
his buildings that are on the historic
register cannot be cannot use this to

528
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:15,280
rehab exterior of the building in
violation of the federal standards

529
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,599
» residential. So
>> you're speaking specifically to historic

530
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,640
properties.
>> Yes.

531
00:41:18,319 --> 00:41:25,040
» Okay. So we I'm sure we could add some
language in there that references the

532
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:29,200
historic side of it, but wouldn't that
go to permitting and permitting would

533
00:41:26,319 --> 00:41:32,560
catch that?
>> And you know what they what they should

534
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:37,520
do and what they do are two different
things. Now, if you remember a couple of

535
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:40,480
meetings ago, I read you emails that I
that I got from the building official

536
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:46,720
that basically said if you submit a
permit online, I approve it, it's a go.

537
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:50,960
Historical structures are not.
Now,

538
00:41:48,319 --> 00:41:55,119
uh, and I and I would also, if you're
going to amend it, I would also put in

539
00:41:52,800 --> 00:42:00,000
there any building or house that's 50
years or older. You want to maintain the

540
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:05,680
integrity of those houses. I don't think
member Ruth would want somebody in his

541
00:42:02,319 --> 00:42:10,319
neighborhood to come in re, you know, to
rehab a house and not keep the

542
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:14,000
architectural integrity of the house. I
don't think he wants a block house with

543
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:19,440
a flat roof painted pink. I don't think
so.

544
00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:24,704
and this without some extra wording or
standards put in it, they can pretty

545
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:27,520
well do it.
[snorts]

546
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:31,119
» So, but this specific program and uh
staff, please jump in as needed,

547
00:42:29,359 --> 00:42:36,880
obviously, but this specific program
doesn't necessarily go to or speak to

548
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:40,640
rehab or renovations. It does. It says
significant rehab, but then it goes on

549
00:42:38,319 --> 00:42:45,680
to say the financial assistance from the
CR CRA will only be dispersed after the

550
00:42:43,359 --> 00:42:50,640
home has been constructed or the f home
has been fully renovated. So, it's it's

551
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:53,760
not specifically saying the renovation
side of it. They need to do the

552
00:42:51,839 --> 00:42:56,640
renovations and then funds will be
dispersed from there.

553
00:42:54,880 --> 00:43:01,359
» Well, if they do the renovation, there's
nothing to stop them to fill out the

554
00:42:57,839 --> 00:43:06,400
form and get the $30,000. Nothing.
>> So, they completely if you'll allow me

555
00:43:03,599 --> 00:43:10,640
to. So the intent is for for first-time
home buyers, right? So these are if a

556
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:16,319
first time first-time home buyer is
looking to purchase a property that is

557
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:20,640
historic in nature, the improvements in
this particular case are not necessarily

558
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:25,920
applicable because the funds are to be
used in the purchase of the home. Now

559
00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:28,720
what improvements they decide to do,
that's a separate thing. Let's say if

560
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:33,599
they decided they were not going to use
these funds, but they wanted to use our

561
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:38,720
residential renovation
uh assistance program to do improvements

562
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:41,839
to the historic property. In that case,
we would use those guidelines. And those

563
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:45,520
guidelines are only for the exterior of
the property. And yes, to I can't

564
00:43:43,839 --> 00:43:48,640
remember which board member's point, but
there is a development review process

565
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:52,640
that it goes through that should flag
that this property um is therefore

566
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:55,760
historic and there and there are
different guidelines that go towards it.

567
00:43:54,560 --> 00:44:00,720
» Yeah. But that doesn't answer my
question of the of the of the definition

568
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:07,200
of rehabilitation. Is it interior or
exterior or both?

569
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:12,560
» Well, so the CRA um only does in well
policy-wise, we've only done exterior

570
00:44:09,359 --> 00:44:18,079
improvements. We have not done interior.
So, anybody could come in here, buy a

571
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:21,920
historic structure,
rehabilitate it, if I read this

572
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:27,599
correctly, and then fill out a form and
get $30,000.

573
00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:31,680
» No, a person could come in and fill out
an application to say, "I'd like to buy

574
00:44:29,839 --> 00:44:36,400
a historic property." They could do
that. And so, throughout that process,

575
00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:39,520
we would still need their documentation.
We still need the same thing that you

576
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:42,800
would do when you apply for any loan and
it goes through a title company. we

577
00:44:41,359 --> 00:44:45,839
would require that same level of
documentation. And so we are not

578
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:49,119
requesting if they are doing
improvements, we are requesting

579
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:53,079
information as it relates to the
purchase of the property.

580
00:44:55,359 --> 00:44:58,031
» And [clears throat]

581
00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:05,960
the the problem
is that

582
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:14,400
you explain it one way, the public sees
it a different way. they

583
00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:18,800
they hear something from somebody else.
In other words, it's not clear to me. If

584
00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:24,720
it has to be clear, it should
specifically say this cannot be used for

585
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:28,079
renovations, rehab of historical
buildings exterior.

586
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:31,680
» Well, it shouldn't be used for any
renovations at all.

587
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:34,720
» These funds are exclusively to purchase
the property.

588
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:38,640
» The only thing I can think of where it
where it possibly is with a 203k FHA

589
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:42,160
loan where it allows for you to escrow
the repairs. So that's the only just in

590
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:45,280
this scenario I think that's the only
way they actually can use the money if

591
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:50,160
we're saying that we will allow for the
escrow through a 203k FHA program that

592
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:54,319
they would allow because everybody
familiar with FA 203 FAK. So essentially

593
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:58,720
what happens is if the property needs
$30,000 worth of rehab, you have to take

594
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:02,240
that money put into a separate account
and do the repairs and the property

595
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:05,760
closes out. So, if we're saying that
we're okay escrowing up to a certain

596
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:10,079
amount of money, I think that's the only
time it actually will apply because

597
00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:13,440
other than that, we're not giving them
money up front for repairs. We only will

598
00:46:12,319 --> 00:46:16,560
escrow. So, essentially, we're saying
that we were escrow repairs.

599
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:20,960
» Well, and we have not listed that type
of product as eligible.

600
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:25,200
» Okay. Well, we said FHA, so FHA 203k is
a if FHA product as well.

601
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:28,160
» So, there are different 203b and 202.
Yeah, 203k.

602
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:33,040
» So, are we saying all FHA products?
Because there's different type of FHA

603
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:35,920
products. Well, we can add I hope to um
to get us where we're trying to go, we

604
00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:41,440
can add language that specifically
speaks to historic property types and

605
00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:47,599
put in language that speaks to um it can
only be used for the purchase and not

606
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:50,560
for the um for the renovation or for the
the rehab and such.

607
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:54,960
» But I think that if if we do these
because FHA, we said FHA and just to be

608
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:59,520
clear, we said FHA that mean all types
of FHA because we didn't specify FHA

609
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:06,000
like a certain FHA. So the FHA does have
a 203k. What I'm trying to do is is to

610
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:08,800
his point if we because we do say that
we're gonna it is kind of confusing

611
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:11,440
because I was had to read it twice. If
we're going to say we're going to give

612
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:14,640
it does reference saying that there's
going to be you know a certain amount of

613
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:18,560
money and it talks about a contractor.
So the only thing that I can think of is

614
00:47:16,319 --> 00:47:22,079
the 203k product will actually be
actually using it where we'll give the

615
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:26,480
money to put into an escore account
after closing to be used to meet FHA

616
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:31,599
standards. A lot of times if the
property does not meet FHA standards and

617
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:35,520
if it needs some type of renovation to
meet that they would allow for that

618
00:47:33,119 --> 00:47:39,119
money to go into into a separate account
still close out but by a licensed

619
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:42,400
contract to have to take dispersements
and things. So I think that is that's

620
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:47,480
the only time I actually can see us
doing that. Other than that we won't be

621
00:47:43,839 --> 00:47:47,480
advancing any funds.

622
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:52,319
» Okay. So what
>> I don't think that that's an advancement

623
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:55,200
because they do we the loan closes. Yes.
>> So it closes. That's what we would be

624
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:58,240
calling that too.
>> We still applied it to. So we're not

625
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:00,720
Yeah. Cuz we're not doing any type of
>> rehabs.

626
00:47:58,720 --> 00:48:04,400
» Rehabs at all.
>> Nor are we advancing in the sense that

627
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:08,400
they received the funds prior to
closing. No. So when we receive the

628
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:12,800
closing date, then we can put in the
request in order to have that payment

629
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:15,839
processed directly to the title escrow
company.

630
00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:19,520
» I'm familiar, but I was just Yeah.
>> So member DGO is your your biggest

631
00:48:17,599 --> 00:48:25,280
holdup is ensuring that historic
properties are preserved properly.

632
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:31,200
Is is that the the concern?
>> Yes. And and what I'm hearing is I'm

633
00:48:28,559 --> 00:48:35,760
hearing a loophole where you could
somebody could file for an FHA loan, get

634
00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:39,040
all the process because FHA doesn't look
at whether it's an historical structure

635
00:48:37,359 --> 00:48:42,880
and it needs to be protected by federal
standards. They don't look at that. If

636
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:48,079
they meet the application criteria, you
get the loan. Then if you close the loan

637
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:53,920
as was explained and then you fill out
an application, well then you can get

638
00:48:51,119 --> 00:48:58,480
the $30,000 if there was a rehab
exterior on an historical structure.

639
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:01,839
» I guess we add the language what I'm
hearing that

640
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:07,680
» so I wait a minute. So my recommendation
is instead of words smiting this,

641
00:49:05,839 --> 00:49:13,200
you know, we'll do this, we'll do this,
my recommendation would be that this

642
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:17,520
goes back for a rewrite
and brought back to us at the next

643
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:22,599
meeting with the preferred language to
make sure that those historic structures

644
00:49:19,359 --> 00:49:22,599
are protected.

645
00:49:23,839 --> 00:49:31,920
» Thank you, Member Dango. Any other
comments or questions from membership?

646
00:49:28,319 --> 00:49:37,599
» Yes. Um, and so I think I think we
should certainly include in the wording

647
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:42,240
is making sure that this is clear in
terms of firsttime home buyer because

648
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:49,599
that's not in here. So we ne definitely
need to include that. Um, and then there

649
00:49:45,119 --> 00:49:57,119
should be a criteria in place.
So I I tried, you know, reading through

650
00:49:53,119 --> 00:50:03,919
this, I didn't I didn't find a a defined
criteria just at the end

651
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,919
um [clears throat]

652
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:13,760
at the end uh where it's more of
documentation that the homeowner needs

653
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:17,359
to submit um not so much a criteria that
needs to be in place. So, I think that's

654
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:22,400
something that the board should consider
implementing is criteria based on these

655
00:50:20,319 --> 00:50:26,880
first home uh first-time home buyers
that are going to be applying for this.

656
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:33,280
um
just my my my recommendations. It just

657
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:37,520
helps us um
define exactly the purpose behind this

658
00:50:35,359 --> 00:50:41,280
and that just everybody can apply and
then we're telling them it's only first

659
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:47,680
home first-time home buyers and then of
course that just leaves people in

660
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:50,079
and it just tasteful
attitude if you will. So

661
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:54,800
» absolutely.
>> Yeah. And it oh and one other thing too

662
00:50:52,400 --> 00:51:00,800
and it should I also it said some
language in regards to either cash or

663
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:06,319
loan. I think if you have money to put
buy a property cash I don't think we

664
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:09,520
should allow the program to to actually
yeah because they have they can use that

665
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:12,960
money for a down payment on some loan
you know for loan for for a loan. So, I

666
00:51:11,359 --> 00:51:17,920
don't think if you have $300,000 of
putting down cash on a property that we

667
00:51:14,319 --> 00:51:21,960
should give them 25% it to help them
when they have cash.

668
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:28,079
» Any other questions, comments?
>> Well, the 30,000 I mean

669
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:34,480
» you're speaking to your mic, too. Sorry.
>> The the cap is for uh it's not to exceed

670
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:40,160
the $30,000 way it's written. You said
20% of 300,000 is not 30,000.

671
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:44,720
» Correct. Well, how it's written right
now, it says up to 25% of the purchase

672
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:49,880
price of an improved property up to a
maximum of $30,000 in down payment

673
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,880
assistance.

674
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:53,760
And
>> I think that language could be cleared

675
00:51:51,680 --> 00:52:03,599
up a little bit so that it
>> and and and secondly um who's the

676
00:51:58,079 --> 00:52:09,839
governing body for transparency on um
submitting the application, approving

677
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:15,280
the application and actually um carrying
the the the contract through to its

678
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:19,359
sunset.
>> So that that would be staff. So we would

679
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:21,760
monitor it the same way we do all of our
other

680
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:26,720
» the fivey year period right after five
years they've committed I mean they've

681
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:29,200
fulfilled their obligations of of the
firsttime buyer program correct

682
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:34,160
» correct
>> okay but prior to that if they default

683
00:52:32,079 --> 00:52:39,119
or move
>> who

684
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:43,760
» who then steps in and and mitigates the
recovery of the investment or where are

685
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:47,040
we going to from there? Are we going to
get stuck with the legal fees of going

686
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:51,200
and collecting
So I won't address the legal fees part

687
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:55,520
of it, but I I will tell you so similar
to how we do our reap program where we

688
00:52:53,280 --> 00:53:00,000
do have a recorded uh restrictive
covenant for five years. So every

689
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:03,839
applicant that has been awarded funding,
it has been record they they fully have

690
00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:09,040
been explained and have they have an
executed recorded covenant against their

691
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:12,800
property. So when the time comes if they
decide they want to uh refinance or for

692
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:18,640
whatever reason they get a title search
done on their property, that will come

693
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:22,240
up. And so it also specifies in that um
restrictive covenant that it is for a

694
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:26,880
5-year uh period.
>> Yeah. And well, you know, in in all

695
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:34,079
fairness, I live in this district, so
I'm very familiar with the rules and

696
00:53:30,319 --> 00:53:40,160
regulations of but um up to this point,
it's it hasn't been enforced. Um you

697
00:53:38,319 --> 00:53:45,599
know, I live in a single family district
that has four or five families living in

698
00:53:42,559 --> 00:53:52,160
one home. So, I know our monitoring or
governing of these uh residents have

699
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:57,359
been very loose at best. U but I just
want to make sure that if if if our

700
00:53:54,319 --> 00:54:02,079
intent is and I'm all for a college park
environment where we in we we invest in

701
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:07,599
our future and that's these younger
people coming in and making these

702
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:11,839
purchases. ownership is the true test of
of you know people that own the home are

703
00:54:10,240 --> 00:54:17,200
really going to take care of the homes
even even if it's just keeping the yard

704
00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:22,559
kept and and and mowing it and stuff. So
I have a lot of confidence in that. I

705
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:28,160
just want to make sure the the the
legal side of it. Uh I just don't want

706
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:34,000
to, you know, us get hung with a lot of
of open debt that you know we kind of

707
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:40,000
get entangled in.
And there's no resource to go back and

708
00:54:36,720 --> 00:54:45,559
recoup some of the financial obligations
that we extended up to that point.

709
00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:55,599
» There's a collection element to it, you
know, that I'm just making sure that

710
00:54:53,920 --> 00:55:01,280
we're covering.
>> Yeah. in these types of grants, grants

711
00:54:58,319 --> 00:55:04,720
that are are similar. I mean, you can u
on the leans and so forth, put in, you

712
00:55:03,599 --> 00:55:07,920
know, the best language in the world
that you can, there always is an element

713
00:55:06,319 --> 00:55:11,760
and some element of a risk. I can't
guarantee that there won't be any legal

714
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:15,200
fees to enforce it or that there would
be resources on the other side once

715
00:55:13,599 --> 00:55:18,960
enforcement is made to pay for those
fees. So, there is that element. It will

716
00:55:18,079 --> 00:55:24,960
always be there, you know,
notwithstanding any kind of uh

717
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:28,640
uh efforts made by staff to to prevent
that from happening. Yeah, I I I agree.

718
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:32,240
The risk is always there. I just want to
make sure there's an element of

719
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:36,200
collection if
we needed.

720
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,200
» Understood.

721
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:43,040
» Any other final comments?
>> Did I'm sorry, I can't remember. Did I

722
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:46,880
say something about the u about the
money being going towards the only the

723
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:49,839
principal mortgage? Did I also add it
should go towards closing costs as well?

724
00:55:48,559 --> 00:55:54,400
I did. Okay. I just want to make sure.
Okay. Thank you.

725
00:55:52,319 --> 00:56:01,079
» Any other comments?
We'll go to public comment now. Anybody

726
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:01,079
from the public wish to speak on this?

727
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:09,599
» Rogers back at 7 West Main Street. I
just want to make sure I heard this

728
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:14,160
correctly. So, there is no income
restrictions on the 30,000.

729
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:18,040
» Not how it's written currently. No.
>> Okay. Thanks.

730
00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:26,079
» Any other uh members of the public wish
to speak? We'll close public comment.

731
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:29,079
Uh, any other final comments from the
board?

732
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:36,400
» I just think we need to table this until
we can get the wording.

733
00:56:34,079 --> 00:56:40,559
» I think we have a lot of
>> I think so as well. I will say a couple

734
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:43,680
of my comments on this one is I think a
lot of great points were made adding

735
00:56:42,319 --> 00:56:48,880
making sure that it's a first-time home
buyer that that's that is valuable. U

736
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:55,280
for me making sure it's not an LLC that
it is in somebody's actual name I think

737
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:57,839
uh is needed. And then I think there
should be some type of condition

738
00:56:56,319 --> 00:57:02,799
requirements as well that this shouldn't
be a a

739
00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:09,040
» for a full gut because it just gets
muddied and and convoluted. Uh my only

740
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:14,720
other concern with this one too is
the whole core and point of a CRA is to

741
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:20,720
the whole whole point is to increase tax
value in this area. That is the point of

742
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:25,760
this. So if we add exclusively to
residential properties and amendment

743
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:30,480
three goes into place in November,
we have not succeeded in increasing

744
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:33,680
taxable value. So my goal with this or
my thought with this is I do like this,

745
00:57:32,079 --> 00:57:38,640
but I think we need to maybe navigate
forward delicately and in smaller steps.

746
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:43,760
I think right now a lot of our
businesses in this district really are

747
00:57:41,359 --> 00:57:47,200
wanting and screaming for help. And I
think that maybe we get creative with

748
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:50,240
some of those incentive programs for the
current businesses that are in place

749
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:54,640
that would provide some type of
resources for them in some way. Uh just

750
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:58,160
with the economic times that they are
right now, I think that will go further.

751
00:57:56,400 --> 00:58:01,839
I think we spent just about a million
dollars on residential properties last

752
00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:05,440
year and I think that we should maybe
prioritize businesses this year and

753
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:10,400
maybe ping pong back and forth or find a
healthy uh balance between the two. Uh I

754
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:16,319
do I I'm all about home ownership all
day every day. Uh it's just the goal of

755
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:20,319
a CRA is to build taxable value. That is
the pure goal of it and we need to make

756
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:23,760
sure that that's on the forefront of our
minds as we navigate this. So uh I like

757
00:58:22,319 --> 00:58:26,960
the program. I think just be delicate as
we move forward. Add language to it. I

758
00:58:25,359 --> 00:58:29,920
think we do table it, massage this
language a little bit, but then also

759
00:58:28,079 --> 00:58:34,000
think about what we can do and I'm I'm
sure we'll speak about it later specific

760
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:40,000
to the commercial side to the business
side of uh our CRA. So those are my

761
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:45,599
comments there. I'm open to a motion
from the membership if we are wanting to

762
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:50,160
table this to a next meeting.
>> Yes.

763
00:58:46,400 --> 00:59:00,079
» I move that we uh table this down
payment assistance program to November

764
00:58:54,319 --> 00:59:04,559
4th which is a one Monday 2026.
I have a motion from

765
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:08,960
» Wednesday,
>> November 4th,

766
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:13,440
» day after the election.
>> Well, the the email I got said the

767
00:59:11,359 --> 00:59:17,680
meeting was November 5th, which is a
Thursday.

768
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:23,040
» So, I I'm going to recognize the motion
obviously uh that you have a motion to

769
00:59:19,599 --> 00:59:26,079
table until November 4th at
any time.

770
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:29,040
» Well, that that that's the next CRA
meeting, so it's five o'clock.

771
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:32,160
» Okay. because you have a commission
meeting that day.

772
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:36,559
» We do. [clears throat] Uh so I have a
motion. Do I have a second? Second by

773
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:41,960
member Baron. All those in favor say I.
>> I.

774
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:41,960
» All opposed. Motion carries unanimously.

775
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:49,200
» All right.
>> Attorney members of the board. So I

776
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:54,000
pardon my interruption. I do think uh
before we move on uh we do need to

777
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:58,960
revisit number two. If I understood the
motion correctly, I believe it modified

778
00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:05,280
the resolution and that was voted on
unanimously, but I believe uh the

779
01:00:02,559 --> 01:00:10,200
resolution needs to be read and the
actual language of the resolution voted

780
01:00:06,799 --> 01:00:10,200
on as modified.

781
01:00:12,559 --> 01:00:17,079
the
>> this is bone

782
01:00:14,079 --> 01:00:17,079
» second

783
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:22,520
» resolution 20266-03

784
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:30,799
a resolution of the community
redevelopment agency CRA of the city of

785
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:35,839
Apakka Florida requesting the extension
of the city of Apakka community re

786
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:40,640
redevelopment agency affirming the
continuing need for au community

787
01:00:38,319 --> 01:00:44,160
redevelopment agency mergency activities
directing the transmitt of this

788
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:48,799
resolution to Orange County providing
for conflicts severability and an

789
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:51,920
effective date.
>> And then from there you're requesting

790
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:57,040
that language was clarified in the
motion attorney hand.

791
01:00:53,520 --> 01:01:02,400
» Uh just it would be a motion to pass as
amended since uh the previous votion

792
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:08,160
amended the content of the resolution.
>> All right. I will look for a motion to

793
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:11,520
uh pass resolution 2026-03 as amended.
So moved. Uh

794
01:01:09,119 --> 01:01:16,880
» moved by member Drago, second by member
Ruth. All those in favor say I. I.

795
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:19,880
» All opposed. Motion carries unanimously.
>> Yes.

796
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:32,319
We're get we're getting it.
>> My apologies.

797
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:35,920
» My apologies. The motion that was read
in reference to bringing back the down

798
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:42,480
payment assistance program on November
5th, that date um is or November 4th,

799
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:46,559
rather. There's already a city
commission meeting scheduled for that.

800
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:51,359
That's the early afternoon one. And I
believe the November 5th date that um

801
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:55,839
member Drago was referencing was an
error date that was sent when the board

802
01:01:53,359 --> 01:01:58,960
meeting um notification went out where
it referenced Wednesday, November 5th,

803
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:03,200
2025.
So I just want to be clear that while we

804
01:02:01,119 --> 01:02:08,839
will bring back this item, it will not
be on the November 4th or 5th date.

805
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:17,040
» I'd prefer to not have it extend out to
a date unknown. We prefer a date

806
01:02:14,799 --> 01:02:19,280
certain. So, do we want to set now then
that next CRA meeting date? Then

807
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:22,960
» yeah,
>> would that be valuable for everyone?

808
01:02:21,359 --> 01:02:25,599
» You want to make a November 10th? That's
a Wednesday.

809
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:28,240
» That's a Tuesday.
>> It's not Tuesday. I'm sorry.

810
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:32,079
» We have a planning commission meeting
that evening.

811
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:36,000
» Wednesday the 11th.
>> That's Veterans Day.

812
01:02:32,799 --> 01:02:39,200
» Veterans Day.
>> Thursday.

813
01:02:36,799 --> 01:02:42,200
» We can I don't have anything on the 12th
surprisingly.

814
01:02:42,319 --> 01:02:46,079
Uh, all right. So, November 12th at what
is it? 5

815
01:02:45,359 --> 01:02:49,280
» 5:00
>> 30 five

816
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:52,280
» five is fine if it works for the the
board

817
01:02:56,640 --> 01:03:04,160
» because we moved it then should we do a
new motion for that then or

818
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:09,680
what do you recommend attorney hand
>> I think that's the uh I think that's the

819
01:03:06,559 --> 01:03:09,680
board's election I

820
01:03:19,039 --> 01:03:28,559
All right. I will motion or I will look
for a motion to set our next CRA meeting

821
01:03:23,599 --> 01:03:32,960
for number November 12th at 5:00 pm and
we will review the down payment

822
01:03:31,039 --> 01:03:35,920
assistance program at that time.
>> So moved.

823
01:03:33,839 --> 01:03:40,799
» Uh moved by member Drago.
>> Second. second by uh member Anderson.

824
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:43,599
All those in favor say I. I.
>> All opposed. Motion carries unanimously.

825
01:03:42,623 --> 01:03:48,160
[clears throat]
Thank you for the clarification, staff.

826
01:03:46,079 --> 01:03:51,920
All right. Next up, we are discussing
the evaluation for well, this is old

827
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:57,039
business evaluation of potential
property acquisition 161 East 6th

828
01:03:54,799 --> 01:04:01,839
Street.
>> So, this property was bought before the

829
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:06,880
board at the last uh CRA board meeting.
Is a property that is currently um up

830
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:12,160
for sale. The board had requested a
staff evaluation at the April 15th uh

831
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:16,079
meeting or if you'll look up on on your
screens you can see some information

832
01:04:13,599 --> 01:04:25,599
reference to it. Uh this property was
actually brought to staff um that is for

833
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:31,599
sale for 299,000 is42 acres with 18,380
ft of total land. It's currently zoned

834
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:36,720
as mixed use.
So, one of the things that was requested

835
01:04:34,319 --> 01:04:42,480
um by staff is a review for potential
uses of the property. And so, we looked

836
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:48,400
at um the property as a potential
parking lot, surface parking to support

837
01:04:44,319 --> 01:04:51,839
the museum. Uh we conferred um with uh
public works in order to provide some of

838
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:57,039
the data that you see here. They are
staff is available for additional

839
01:04:53,520 --> 01:05:01,359
questions as relates to the um the spec
the specifics that are provided. So

840
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:07,280
based on the square footage that was
provided um we were it was then shown

841
01:05:05,039 --> 01:05:12,720
that there's an estimated usable area of
12,866

842
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:16,960
square feet. Uh we also then staff asked
public works to review it in terms of

843
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:21,200
parking availability.
Could it be used as a parking lot? How

844
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:24,799
many slots uh would be available? What
would be the cost? Um, and so this

845
01:05:23,359 --> 01:05:32,280
provides the total breakdown where you
see it's approximately 40 spaces, give

846
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:32,280
or take three spaces um, for that lot.

847
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:40,480
We also looked at um, using different
types of material to determine whether

848
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:47,839
or not we would do a permanent parking
lot versus a temporary parking lot. Um

849
01:05:43,359 --> 01:05:55,200
we also asked for and staff um happily
provided some um ranges in terms of

850
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:59,520
pricing from 92,000 to 165,000 for a
permanent parking lot as well as if we

851
01:05:57,839 --> 01:06:06,400
did a temporary parking lot which was
per pvious pavers gravel um or some form

852
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:11,599
of wheel stops. Um so with option A, the
gravel with the wheel stops um would

853
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:16,640
cost anywhere between 150 and 350 per
square foot, whereas the pvious pavers

854
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:23,359
would cost between $6 and $12 per square
foot depending on the material for a

855
01:06:19,359 --> 01:06:26,359
cost between 275 and 67 excuse me
64,300.

856
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:35,119
So based on that, and by the way, there
is a memorandum, a more detailed

857
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:40,160
memorandum in your packet that provides
um a recommendation by staff um

858
01:06:37,599 --> 01:06:44,799
including considerations such as park,
potential parking, demand, operations

859
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:49,599
and maintenance um as well as the
acquisition costs. So we wanted to

860
01:06:48,079 --> 01:06:52,640
receive direction from the board of how
they'd like to move forward if they'd

861
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:55,760
like to purchase the property. I also
want to reference that this property

862
01:06:53,839 --> 01:07:00,480
meets the the city strategic objectives
of economic viability. It meets the CRA

863
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:04,920
master plan for land acquisition. It
also meets fer statute 1637c7

864
01:07:05,599 --> 01:07:09,559
for acquisition by purchase.

865
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:17,520
So, with all of that, we now need
direction um if the board would like to

866
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:23,039
purchase the property that is currently
vacant located at 161 East 6th Street to

867
01:07:20,799 --> 01:07:27,039
support potential future redevelopment
opportunities um including strategic

868
01:07:25,359 --> 01:07:32,160
land assembly.
>> Thank you, Miss Forbes. Comments,

869
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:37,280
questions from the membership.
Is that that little piece that's right

870
01:07:34,079 --> 01:07:40,960
opposite the um the bike trail by the
bridge?

871
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:43,119
» No, you're asking me specific direction.
There we go.

872
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:48,920
» Yep. You're just showing that piece, but
where is it? Opposite, isn't it?

873
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:48,920
» Right across from Duran's

874
01:07:49,119 --> 01:07:55,240
» um
>> So, it's next to

875
01:07:56,960 --> 01:08:04,160
» Yes. Where that older Cobb building is.
>> Right. Just south of that. Right. Right

876
01:08:01,039 --> 01:08:08,559
there. It's at the corner.
>> PD is to the south here.

877
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:15,839
» Gas pump and we right to the left.
>> Gas pump was to the left. Museum is to

878
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:18,880
the left. Uh Ryan uh Ryan Lumber is to
the right there.

879
01:08:16,719 --> 01:08:20,880
» And he has his property up for sale
also.

880
01:08:19,440 --> 01:08:27,920
» That's correct.
>> I don't I I don't know. Parking lot

881
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:32,400
» that Sorry, that is one potential use
for it. Again, this is the first thing

882
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:35,839
is deciding as a board if it's something
that you'd like to purchase. You can

883
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:40,480
decide at a later date how you'd like to
use the property, but what was requested

884
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:46,640
by the board is a potential use for it
at least um for now. So, what I had

885
01:08:44,319 --> 01:08:52,000
suggested was a parking lot so that at
least and and by the way, a temporary

886
01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:56,480
parking lot is my suggestion. Um so, at
least that it would be advantageous to

887
01:08:54,080 --> 01:09:00,640
the museum so that people have better
access to it. Um, however, that doesn't

888
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:04,159
mean that it has to be the end use. That
could be a really great P3 opportunity

889
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:06,159
in the future. It is in an opportunity
zone.

890
01:09:04,480 --> 01:09:10,480
» So, I mean, so you're talking about
purchasing something and taking it off

891
01:09:08,239 --> 01:09:11,679
the tax roll right now if we purchase
it.

892
01:09:10,799 --> 01:09:15,920
» That is true.
>> And and it's just going to sit there

893
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:18,319
until we decide what we want to do for
with it.

894
01:09:17,839 --> 01:09:23,400
» Um,
>> that is true.

895
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:23,400
» It But it just

896
01:09:23,440 --> 01:09:31,120
I'm not I'm not big on a parking lot. I
understand that the museum needs a

897
01:09:28,480 --> 01:09:36,400
parking, but I mean that's such a
central location. I mean, we have the

898
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:42,799
bridge. Um, we have we're trying to
encourage people to use our bike path

899
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:48,560
and we also don't even know what Ryan is
going to do with his property. And

900
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:55,920
that's an historic historical uh parcel.
So, it's it's like I don't know if a

901
01:09:51,279 --> 01:10:02,080
parking lot fits in that that um area
and right now we we have it's under tax

902
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:07,040
we
and so if we purchase it we take it off

903
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:11,600
and then it's just going to sit there.
It's been doing that already.

904
01:10:09,679 --> 01:10:16,239
» Correct. So one thing to keep in mind
and this is ultimately up to the board's

905
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:21,280
decision that yes it will be off the tax
roles but as we are all looking at what

906
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:27,360
the future may look like if we are if
our the CRA's primary source is taxes is

907
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:31,199
reduced then at least that's part of
land assembly that would be our

908
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:36,159
strategic goal that at least if we have
property available we can now possibly

909
01:10:33,440 --> 01:10:43,199
repurpose that and that we use it to
recruit potential new endusers. So that

910
01:10:40,239 --> 01:10:46,719
is an asset now that we would have, you
know, it's one of those six in one hand,

911
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:51,840
half a dozen in the other. Yes, it it is
takes off the tax ro. Um I think it's

912
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:54,239
been for sale for for a little bit for
quite some time

913
01:10:52,719 --> 01:10:58,800
» for I mean it [clears throat] has been
there for as long as I've been in

914
01:10:56,320 --> 01:11:05,520
office. It's been before that also,
>> right? But like I said, if you know our

915
01:11:02,239 --> 01:11:12,159
um soul funding source, the CRA soul
funding source gets reduced at least now

916
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:16,960
we have another valuable asset.
But are we promoting it? Are we

917
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:21,679
marketing it so that someone is
interested in that piece of property

918
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:28,560
besides saying let's just make a parking
lot? I just my concern is that we have

919
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:33,840
Ryan selling his property.
I don't even know how they handle

920
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:40,000
selling a historical property. Can I
This is all new to me. So, if he sells

921
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:45,679
his property, how does that change his
historical designation? Or does it?

922
01:11:44,480 --> 01:11:48,560
» It shouldn't.
>> I don't think the propertyy's Well,

923
01:11:47,199 --> 01:11:50,320
first of all, it's a vacant property, so
I don't know how it can be historical

924
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:55,120
unless
>> she's references on there. Some

925
01:11:52,480 --> 01:11:59,199
» member Velasquez is referencing uh the
property to the east across the street.

926
01:11:56,960 --> 01:12:04,640
» Just across the street. lumber.
>> Uh

927
01:12:02,159 --> 01:12:10,800
well, the only way it would affect it is
if you didn't have a comprehensive set

928
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:17,920
of design standards to protect Ryan
Lumber's investment in their property.

929
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:23,480
Now,
I remember this was brought up under the

930
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:23,480
former administration

931
01:12:23,679 --> 01:12:32,159
and my memory serves me correctly. the
re the real estate person was looking

932
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:38,640
for a buyer and thought the city had
cash and they come to us with a was it

933
01:12:36,239 --> 01:12:44,600
$299,000.
So

934
01:12:40,719 --> 01:12:44,600
the board at the time

935
01:12:45,199 --> 01:12:52,880
didn't table it per se but just asked
for a better evaluation of the use of

936
01:12:50,159 --> 01:12:59,840
the property. Now, in keeping with the
chair's comments in the past,

937
01:12:57,280 --> 01:13:04,000
um
we need to be careful on what properties

938
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:08,719
we buy relative to it taken off the tax
roles and then your taxable value

939
01:13:06,719 --> 01:13:13,120
decreases.
So,

940
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:17,199
I'm not
I'm opposed to buying a property just

941
01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:23,440
for the sake of storing the property for
some future use. it could stay vacant

942
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:29,040
and accomplish the same feat. However, I
probably would recommend that Miss Miss

943
01:13:26,480 --> 01:13:33,920
Forb's economic development
expertise could be put to use in

944
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:39,040
conjunction with the real estate agency
to find a developer for the property.

945
01:13:38,026 --> 01:13:41,600
[snorts]
>> Any other comments?

946
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:45,120
» I kind of share kind of what the board
is. I think we shouldn't take this off,

947
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:47,679
you know, off the tax role and not know
what we're going to do with it. And I

948
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:50,960
think we probably do need to look for a
private partner to kind of partner with

949
01:13:49,440 --> 01:13:53,760
us or something or someone to kind of
develop that. It's been for sale for a

950
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:56,719
while. So I don't think it's like a need
like now because

951
01:13:55,199 --> 01:13:59,360
» I'm sorry.
>> Can you just speak a little louder? I

952
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:01,040
didn't hear anything that you said.
>> You didn't hear anything I said? Yeah.

953
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:03,280
Go ahead.
>> No one. Oh, I'm sorry.

954
01:14:02,480 --> 01:14:06,000
» I didn't.
>> So essentially what I'm saying is I kind

955
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:09,360
of agree with everyone. I don't think we
should um actually this is not the time

956
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:13,360
for it. I think that we need to look at
a possible partnership, private

957
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:16,719
partnership or look for someone to
develop that. I just think right now we

958
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:20,159
shouldn't be doing anything to reduce
the taxes that we have coming in. We

959
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:22,800
don't even have we don't have a need for
we don't we don't know what we're going

960
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:30,320
to do with it. So I just
>> I just I'm not in favor of us continuing

961
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:35,840
to accumulate properties that we have no
>> um plans for it.

962
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:41,679
» Um it's just going to sit there.
>> Um someone bought the property on the

963
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:46,239
other corner and built that monster. I
call it the monster. And I mean, I don't

964
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:50,560
want something like that to happen on
that corner. I don't even know what's it

965
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:53,440
zoned for this property.
>> Mix. Mix.

966
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:56,880
» Mixuse.
So, I mean, that's an opportunity to

967
01:14:55,440 --> 01:15:01,679
have a, you know,
>> for someone to come in and develop it,

968
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:09,040
» a developer come in.
I'm just concerned that that is such a

969
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:15,440
prime piece of property. and we have the
bridge, we have the the the uh the trail

970
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:21,199
and at the same time we have Ryan
selling his property. So I I just, you

971
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:26,719
know, kind of let's wait to see what he
hap what happens with his property and

972
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:31,040
then we can kind of figure out and I
think any developer is going to wait

973
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:37,600
until Ryan sells his property to see
what's going to become of that property.

974
01:15:35,199 --> 01:15:44,480
Well, and I I see the point in terms of
what both your points and and member

975
01:15:41,199 --> 01:15:48,560
Drago's point as well. Um, and and
honestly, if we were to purchase this,

976
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:53,840
we need to put something that's going to
be revenue driven for the city. Uh,

977
01:15:51,280 --> 01:16:00,400
parking lot is not revenue driven unless
we're going to put meters and that's

978
01:15:58,159 --> 01:16:06,239
that's just that doesn't help us as a
city. Um,

979
01:16:02,719 --> 01:16:11,360
so I I think we should definitely just
keep an eye out on it. Um, because

980
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:17,040
obviously we run the risk somebody could
purchase it. But if we could go along

981
01:16:14,480 --> 01:16:24,159
with the private public private
partnerships and try to find something

982
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:30,080
that is generally revenue driven for the
city. That would be helpful. And that's

983
01:16:27,199 --> 01:16:35,280
more of, you know, what's going to drive
people to our downtown. The the point is

984
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:41,760
we have so many people up in on that
trail that do not live in Apopka. Um, we

985
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:46,560
should be
detouring them towards our downtown. So,

986
01:16:44,719 --> 01:16:52,640
what is it that we can put in that area
that's going to be revenue driven for

987
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:58,320
our city? That's my thoughts. just all
those corners there because even across

988
01:16:55,600 --> 01:17:05,440
441 we have the little cleaners that's
been sitting vacant. It's it's just not

989
01:17:03,199 --> 01:17:10,159
I I just don't see it being developed
that that area if we put a parking lot.

990
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:13,199
» It's just going to kill that area.
>> Agreed.

991
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:16,400
» It will agree 100%.
>> Any other comments from members?

992
01:17:14,719 --> 01:17:20,719
» Yeah, I just want to thank Miss Forbes
for this evaluation. I know I've uh

993
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:24,719
asked for it a few times, so I uh
appreciate her developing this uh board

994
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:27,520
item.
>> Thank you. [clears throat]

995
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:32,360
Any members of the public wish to speak
on this?

996
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:32,360
» Please.

997
01:17:33,199 --> 01:17:37,920
» Thank you. So, he said who's listing
broker for the property? Any questions?

998
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:43,400
» I I got one.
>> Please, if you can come up to the mic

999
01:17:39,199 --> 01:17:43,400
though for the questions. Thank you.

1000
01:17:45,199 --> 01:17:52,000
» How can I help you? The the one question
I have is is you know later on we're

1001
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:56,800
going to be we're going to be asked to
evaluate another piece of property of of

1002
01:17:54,320 --> 01:18:01,520
equal size but matter of fact it's even
bigger. Okay.

1003
01:17:57,679 --> 01:18:10,080
» Um and this this property is is all but
150 all but 145,000 more than that.

1004
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:17,040
» Um is it just the the closeness to the
city borders? Why would uh why would the

1005
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:21,440
market value be
so unbalanced?

1006
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:23,679
» It is it's I think it's two-part. It's
the prospective plans for the historic

1007
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:26,239
district.
>> Well, you're a professional at this and

1008
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:30,480
this is the reason I'm asking.
>> Yes, sir. That that's why I think it's

1009
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:33,760
the future is the qu is the answer to
the question and what the city plans on

1010
01:18:32,239 --> 01:18:39,360
doing in the historic downtown district
as y'all have discussed for years. So, I

1011
01:18:36,159 --> 01:18:44,960
think um that's what I'm hearing. I have
had significant interest from all of the

1012
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:50,960
above mixeduse developers that want to
do ground flooror retail like you're

1013
01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:52,960
suggesting board member. Uh the last
question is Diane.

1014
01:18:52,480 --> 01:18:58,000
» Diane
>> I know it's hard to say the last name so

1015
01:18:55,120 --> 01:19:03,760
» no problem. I've had commercial users as
well um the uh owner themselves would

1016
01:19:02,159 --> 01:19:08,239
like to work with the city if that's an
option that that's what they'd prefer to

1017
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:13,520
work with y'all. But uh ultimately I
think it's a matter of time before

1018
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:16,480
something like uh Mrs. Vasquez mentioned
would come a more high intense use in

1019
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:20,719
the future.
>> Well, I've taken advantage of you made

1020
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:23,600
the recommendation you would volunteer
information. I was just seeing why the

1021
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:26,719
disparity between the
>> Well, I I just think it's it's location.

1022
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:30,560
Like they say, location, location,
location.

1023
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:36,000
» It is a prime piece of property except
that what's neighboring right now hasn't

1024
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:39,520
been developed. So putting a parking lot
would actually kill it.

1025
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:42,400
» Yeah. Well, we were hoping y'all would
want to put a building or maybe

1026
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:45,600
something else revenue generating on it
as well. We're we're open to that

1027
01:19:44,159 --> 01:19:48,880
basically and and representing the
seller. They want to work with the city

1028
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:52,800
if they come up with any ideas that
>> Oh, this So is it it's not So you

1029
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:56,800
evaluate it based off of the future
value of it, not the current value is

1030
01:19:54,400 --> 01:20:00,400
what I heard. It's a current value, but
um that current value, you know,

1031
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:04,560
depending on how quickly the historic
district develops, revitalizes,

1032
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:08,960
» you know, that's the timeline that's
involved with it. So, some some

1033
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:14,400
developers that have reached out to us,
you know, they're deciding how soon can

1034
01:20:11,199 --> 01:20:18,640
they build something there. Um, and
that's really been the main question.

1035
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:23,280
and they've I recommend them to reach
out to staff to kind of figure out

1036
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:27,040
what's the timeline for this area to get
you know more revitalized.

1037
01:20:25,199 --> 01:20:31,360
» So in the current state it is in now is
worth 299. Is that your evaluation as of

1038
01:20:29,440 --> 01:20:37,440
» that? That that is the evaluation. Yes.
Correct. And we have interested buyers

1039
01:20:33,679 --> 01:20:40,480
at that number and uh the seller has
decided they'd like to work with the

1040
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:43,199
city first if they could.
>> Well they they

1041
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:44,320
» we appreciate you being here tonight.
Thank you for that.

1042
01:20:43,679 --> 01:20:45,600
» Absolutely. Thank you.
>> Thank you for your time.

1043
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:50,199
» You're welcome.
>> Thank you. Anyone else from the public

1044
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:50,199
wish to speak?

1045
01:20:57,199 --> 01:21:04,080
The best hall Rock Springs Ridge. Uh
just a few things. I'm trying to make

1046
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:08,320
sure I can remember everything, but I
just want to make for clarification

1047
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:12,239
because I was sitting in the back. Uh
did I hear what I just heard? The

1048
01:21:09,679 --> 01:21:16,640
gentleman said there's a
the property is worth about 2 million.

1049
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:18,159
No, I didn't.
>> What was the 2 million?

1050
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:20,480
» 299.
>> 299.

1051
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:23,280
» 299,000.
>> 29. [clears throat]

1052
01:21:21,440 --> 01:21:26,320
» I'm saying he's had got some offers that
people was talking about much higher.

1053
01:21:24,719 --> 01:21:30,800
Where What's the reference to the $2
million?

1054
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:33,840
» I don't I don't I don't remember. I'm
>> okay. Then I'm hearing things back

1055
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:38,239
there. All right. So,
>> that seat's up front.

1056
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:42,400
» So, now let me let me refocus.
We're at a hiring freeze in the city

1057
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:46,800
right now, but we still can go around
and look for property that we really

1058
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:51,679
don't need
and put that kind of money and we can

1059
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:55,920
come up with a proposal for it, but
we're at a hiring freeze.

1060
01:21:54,639 --> 01:21:59,520
» Well, this is the CRA.
>> I I I know it's the CRA. I know it's the

1061
01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:04,480
CRA, but I'm just saying where our focus
is now. Right across the street, is this

1062
01:22:02,159 --> 01:22:06,719
still CRA? Right across the street?
>> Yes.

1063
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:11,679
» Okay. There's two properties that I
think we bought a few years ago, right?

1064
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:15,040
I'm not really sure, but there's two
properties that we bought, took out the

1065
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:19,120
taxes, and they still sitting over
there. I've been here for some years.

1066
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:22,560
There's still open lots, just open areas
just sitting there.

1067
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:26,239
» Be we have a lot of land.
>> Yes. Right across the street. It's just

1068
01:22:24,239 --> 01:22:30,080
sitting there. We purchase it. And
that's that's one of the things I want

1069
01:22:27,679 --> 01:22:32,400
to see when we come in here. The CRA
map.

1070
01:22:30,480 --> 01:22:34,480
» That's Station Street.
>> I think you're talking about Station

1071
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:37,600
Street. Which for? I'm sorry. You point?
>> No. right across the the the light right

1072
01:22:36,159 --> 01:22:41,520
here. Right across in the parking area.
There's a couple vacant lots that's been

1073
01:22:39,199 --> 01:22:44,400
there for for years now. I know the city
own them.

1074
01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:48,400
» They just been there. That's the CRA
area, right? They just been there. We

1075
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:51,199
bought them for what purpose and it's
just sitting there. And so that's why

1076
01:22:50,639 --> 01:22:53,440
I'm saying
>> shop own.

1077
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:56,000
» That was free ice house.
>> What?

1078
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:59,120
» That was free ice house.
>> Which one?

1079
01:22:56,960 --> 01:23:02,239
» Free ice house. What? I don't
>> either way. The CRA doesn't own it. I'll

1080
01:23:00,639 --> 01:23:06,159
say that. The CRA this board can't make
a decision on that those properties.

1081
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:11,840
Okay. So,
what I'm looking at moving forward and I

1082
01:23:09,440 --> 01:23:17,920
commission uh miss I know you talked
about uh last time there was about a

1083
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:22,080
million dollars um we used for residents
and you gave the option of commercial

1084
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:28,320
residents or a balance. I would like to
see you keep that balance because for a

1085
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:32,800
long time in the CRA the money dedicated
to the residents was right around

1086
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:37,040
20,000. It's only till the public came
up and start saying, "Hey, what about

1087
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:41,760
this that we donate? We we moved it up
to that and we lost so much money. I I

1088
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:46,320
see somebody that's in the back now that
was overlooking the CRA program when she

1089
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:51,840
was at Orange County. So, what I'm what
I'm just looking for is just to see what

1090
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:55,760
we how we moving and how we moving about
and

1091
01:23:53,600 --> 01:24:02,320
what direction we going to go in. And
then when somebody proposed a piece of

1092
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:05,920
land, what is our criteria for
buying that land? Because if I got a

1093
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:09,920
piece of property that I proposed to you
and you don't buy my property, I'm like,

1094
01:24:07,440 --> 01:24:14,159
okay, what is the requirement? when
somebody suggests a piece of land that

1095
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:17,520
we should investigate and look at and we
taking all this time to really go and

1096
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:21,520
see how we can develop somebody else
land.

1097
01:24:19,199 --> 01:24:27,360
So I just I just want to see a more uh
balanced approach and make things make

1098
01:24:24,719 --> 01:24:31,280
sense for everybody that is clear and we
understand and you put it where it goes.

1099
01:24:29,440 --> 01:24:35,920
So we don't have no clue. We don't have
no idea.

1100
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:39,280
We don't have no misinformation of where
we going or where we headed. we know

1101
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:43,600
exactly where we're going and we know
how it's going to benefit before we even

1102
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:46,960
take on the responsibility of getting it
and haven't really did anything else for

1103
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:50,800
the future to look into it to make sure
it's going to be beneficial for the

1104
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:52,239
city. So that's all I'm saying. Thank
you.

1105
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:54,000
» Thank you, Mr. Hall.
>> Thank you, sir.

1106
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:59,600
» Anybody else from the public wish to
speak? I'll close public comment. Uh I

1107
01:24:57,440 --> 01:25:03,679
do echo similar sentiments that the the
board members have made. Uh I just think

1108
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:07,120
right now maybe is not the best time if
we are looking for a parking lot. the

1109
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:12,960
the museum does have space right next to
it that we own that we can uh maybe

1110
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:15,440
formalize a parking lot there if that's
something that we're looking at. So that

1111
01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:22,639
may be worthwhile to look at down the
road um if we want to. So um

1112
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:26,400
not right now on the next one. Thank
you. Um so we don't need to take a

1113
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:27,679
formal action on this, right? You're
looking for direction,

1114
01:25:27,440 --> 01:25:30,159
» right?
>> So it seems like the direction is we're

1115
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:32,320
good right now.
>> Yes, I I [laughter] understand the

1116
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:36,560
direction.
>> Yes, ma'am. All right. Next up, uh,

1117
01:25:34,480 --> 01:25:41,159
evaluating the purchase of the property
at 205 East 8th Street.

1118
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:49,600
» Okay, hang on. Grab this. There we go.
So, this is a property that another

1119
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:54,239
property that was bought brought to
staff's attention. This one is owned by

1120
01:25:51,440 --> 01:25:59,840
Duke Energy. And so, at the last um
April 15th meeting, the CRA um board had

1121
01:25:58,080 --> 01:26:03,920
directed staff to make an offer on the
property for purchase.

1122
01:26:02,239 --> 01:26:09,440
So, the property is here. It's currently
vacant um at the corner of 8th and South

1123
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:17,960
Forest Avenue. It's uh a little over
19,500 square ft. Currently zoned um

1124
01:26:12,639 --> 01:26:17,960
multi-use. It is appraised at 156,000.

1125
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:27,840
Um the purchase price is at 156.
Um it's requiring a deposit of 10,000

1126
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:32,400
with the balance due of 146 at closing.
The property is sold is ASIS condition

1127
01:26:30,159 --> 01:26:36,159
with a 120day inspection period
following the execution of the agreement

1128
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:41,120
with the closing to occur within 30 days
after completion of due diligence. Um

1129
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:46,480
and in reference to the due diligence um
will be performed um in addition to the

1130
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:49,920
purchase price uh which includes title
surge and boundary survey environment

1131
01:26:48,239 --> 01:26:55,679
environmental assessment and any other
additional ancillary costs as necessary.

1132
01:26:52,960 --> 01:27:01,400
And I put that note there because the
156 does not include those additional um

1133
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:01,400
cost.

1134
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:07,280
So this meets the city the strategic
objective of economic viability. It

1135
01:27:05,679 --> 01:27:12,280
meets the CRA master plan for land
acquisition and it meets Florida statute

1136
01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:12,280
163.37C7

1137
01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:17,840
for acquisition by purchase in the
community development area to remove or

1138
01:27:16,639 --> 01:27:23,080
prevent the spread of blight and
deterioration or to provide land needed

1139
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:23,080
for public facilities.

1140
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:29,600
So, we are requesting the motion for
authorization for the board chair to

1141
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:33,600
execute an agreement for the purchase of
the property uh reference to support

1142
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:38,880
future redevelopment opportunities and
strategic land assembly.

1143
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:45,600
» Thank you, Miss Forbes. Members,
questions me.

1144
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:51,440
» Okay. My understanding
from past commissions

1145
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:57,960
that the purchase of this property would
be used for the sole purpose of putting

1146
01:27:53,679 --> 01:27:57,960
a resource center on it.

1147
01:27:58,239 --> 01:28:06,320
And but in the board item, it talks
about purchasing a property to preserve

1148
01:28:03,199 --> 01:28:10,560
the property for future redevelopment
for the board to determine the ultimate

1149
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:15,520
use in a separate public process, which
is contradictory to previous boards

1150
01:28:13,440 --> 01:28:21,600
wanting to purchase it specifically for
a reuse center.

1151
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:25,199
Uh, number two,
when [clears throat] I looked at the

1152
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:30,560
sale for contract,
I didn't see any sections in there where

1153
01:28:28,719 --> 01:28:36,159
the mineral rights and the air rights go
to the city.

1154
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:40,880
Um, Duke Energy can't maintain the
mineral rights and the air rights of

1155
01:28:37,679 --> 01:28:45,560
that property if the city buys it. And
we decide to put up a multi-story

1156
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:45,560
building.

1157
01:28:47,440 --> 01:28:54,320
Thank you for your comments.
Uh any additional comments from

1158
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:59,760
membership
>> and this would be taken off the tax.

1159
01:28:57,120 --> 01:29:04,800
» Correct.
>> And I mean we've talked about this

1160
01:29:02,239 --> 01:29:10,719
property become, you know, designating
ear marking it. I should just say

1161
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:14,800
earmarking it for the resource center.
where I'm on the fence about purchasing

1162
01:29:12,719 --> 01:29:19,360
it is
do we have the funds to put a building

1163
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:24,000
on it?
Can we go I mean

1164
01:29:22,239 --> 01:29:28,480
» is there some kind of partnership
someone who's going to help us create

1165
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:35,920
the resource center because if we
purchase it and it continues to sit

1166
01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:40,719
there as it been doing with Duke Energy
then I mean and we're not using CRA

1167
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:45,440
dollars. We're actually using money that
Duke gave us. So

1168
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:48,239
» the 150,000
>> $160,000

1169
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:51,440
» 50 150,000
>> oh

1170
01:29:48,719 --> 01:29:55,440
» 150 so we would the CRA would be putting
in

1171
01:29:52,320 --> 01:30:00,800
» well we've incorporated that in the um
tenative budget as requested by um

1172
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:03,199
member Anderson as commissioner
Anderson.

1173
01:30:01,679 --> 01:30:06,960
» Okay.
>> Right. So that's specific to the the uh

1174
01:30:05,679 --> 01:30:10,960
commission budget not
>> commission budget. Yes sir. So then

1175
01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:15,840
should the this board even be reviewing
this then if we're spending it out of

1176
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:18,480
comm uh commission dollars not
>> not the purchase of the land the

1177
01:30:17,440 --> 01:30:20,960
purchase of the land.
>> Oh you're saying the resource

1178
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:24,080
» the resource center itself
>> the 15. Thank you.

1179
01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:27,120
» So that we can have in addition to that
um have been in contact with different

1180
01:30:25,440 --> 01:30:33,920
people in the county and the county does
have interest in partnership with that

1181
01:30:30,480 --> 01:30:37,679
particular um project.
>> But do we have a commitment? What? No,

1182
01:30:35,920 --> 01:30:40,320
we don't have a commitment, but there I
mean,

1183
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:43,840
» and I will tell you what,
>> we already have if we already have

1184
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:45,920
$150,000, we need a resource center
here. I mean, this is something that is

1185
01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:50,719
definitely needed.
>> And if we already have $150,000 already

1186
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:55,040
that's been just floating around for
years, we need to put the money to work.

1187
01:30:53,120 --> 01:31:00,080
» In addition to that, we have the money
now in the CRA to purchase the land. We

1188
01:30:57,520 --> 01:31:04,800
have $150,000 to help develop the land.
I I don't I mean, what what what else

1189
01:31:02,239 --> 01:31:08,320
are we waiting on? I think we definitely
definitely I mean it's getting the need

1190
01:31:06,719 --> 01:31:13,120
is there.
>> I know we need the resource center. I'm

1191
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:15,679
just right now it's on a tax roll. So
we're getting taxes off of that.

1192
01:31:14,480 --> 01:31:19,199
» Yeah. But we're going to we're not
you're not pulling out the tax ro to do

1193
01:31:17,679 --> 01:31:22,080
anything. We're pulling off the tax role
with a plan in action. The other

1194
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:25,760
property we just didn't know what we're
going to do with it. But we have a plan

1195
01:31:23,679 --> 01:31:28,159
for this particular property here.
>> A resource center.

1196
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:30,480
» I know. But who's putting up the
resource center?

1197
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:35,639
» Well, I think that's all we have to talk
about that. But we have to we have to

1198
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:35,639
start somewhere. Any

1199
01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:44,560
other comments?
>> I'm I'm not, you know, I'm not opposed

1200
01:31:42,080 --> 01:31:49,679
at the purchase of the property, but I
think with our our budgets as strapped

1201
01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:54,400
as they are, I am opposed at us getting
in involved in something that's that I

1202
01:31:52,080 --> 01:31:58,520
see a lot of risk and a lot of service
fees that come along with it.

1203
01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:03,840
» Any other comments before I go to public
comment?

1204
01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:08,280
I'll going to open up public comment.
Anybody from the public wish to speak on

1205
01:32:05,280 --> 01:32:08,280
this?

1206
01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:19,520
» Leroy Bale or Pupka?
I think that uh we really do need a

1207
01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:28,400
resource center and this money have been
earmarked for that and I think for like

1208
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:35,040
Commissioner Anderson said for so many
years we didn't know where this money

1209
01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:38,639
was until a couple of meetings ago when
uh well the public didn't know until

1210
01:32:38,394 --> 01:32:43,199
[laughter]
>> she like wait a minute I knew where the

1211
01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:50,880
money was. The public didn't know until
uh uh Miss Sherman told us that where it

1212
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:58,719
was, but I think what it need to be used
for exactly what it should be.

1213
01:32:55,520 --> 01:33:04,880
And in addition to that, I know it's not
on the agenda or anything, but I noticed

1214
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:10,480
that in the CRA, everything being
discussed

1215
01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:16,400
here tonight have a E behind it, meaning
the east side.

1216
01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:21,960
Nothing have been said to beautify the
west side. Thank you.

1217
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:21,960
» Thank you, Mr. Bell.

1218
01:33:29,360 --> 01:33:34,880
Buster Hall,
[clears throat]

1219
01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:42,080
I'm just curious to see how we move
forward on this piece of land when we

1220
01:33:37,199 --> 01:33:47,440
have $150,000 that I know I campaign for
for us having a resource center for the

1221
01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:51,600
homeless. It's not the unhoused, it's
the homeless. We we changed the name so

1222
01:33:49,360 --> 01:33:57,360
we feel better about what the situation
is.

1223
01:33:53,199 --> 01:34:02,239
So moving forward,
there was a mandate for change and we're

1224
01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:06,880
going to see if the can get keep getting
kicked down the road or we going to do

1225
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:11,600
what we supposed to do.
This is an opportunity to purchase this

1226
01:34:08,800 --> 01:34:15,600
secure land. We have 150,000 to work
with.

1227
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:19,040
Let's make it a reality.
Thank you.

1228
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:22,440
» Thank you, Mr. home.
Anybody else?

1229
01:34:26,480 --> 01:34:32,400
» Christine Moore, 141 South Central
Avenue. I just wanted to bring a little

1230
01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:40,239
clarity about um where the county was
before I left. Uh and the plan was to

1231
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:46,320
fund a a a facility for the unhoused
after the east side. So, they're next.

1232
01:34:43,199 --> 01:34:50,960
And so, um there is money coming. I know
that it's in the budget. The county

1233
01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:54,080
spends about $55 million a year. And so
that would be my recommendation that you

1234
01:34:52,639 --> 01:34:58,560
try to get some money, maybe do
something temporary, but they will fund

1235
01:34:55,760 --> 01:35:03,679
a facility in my estimation in the next
five years.

1236
01:35:00,480 --> 01:35:06,480
» So I'm sorry it repeat that again. 55
million from our

1237
01:35:04,639 --> 01:35:12,000
» 55. It's in the budget now. I know
everything could change with this tax

1238
01:35:08,159 --> 01:35:17,760
reform passing, but uh Apopka was next
after the east side to get a uh a

1239
01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:22,080
housing. And I really don't want to tell
you and say publicly what it is because

1240
01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:26,159
then everybody's going to start running
around worried about where it might be.

1241
01:35:24,480 --> 01:35:29,920
And that would be my second comment to
you. if you buy this property, you owe

1242
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:32,880
it to all those residents around there
before you purchase it to tell them

1243
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:36,320
that's what you're thinking about doing
with it because it will lower the

1244
01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:41,040
property values around there. So, it's
it's a very very difficult process to

1245
01:35:39,199 --> 01:35:46,080
get the zoning for anything for the
unhouse. So, they typically are in

1246
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:50,560
commercial areas, not middle of
residential areas. And so, the the

1247
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:55,600
location is important. But what I came
to say was I know that you are next.

1248
01:35:53,360 --> 01:36:00,159
This northwest Orange County is next for
a facility after the east side and they

1249
01:35:58,400 --> 01:36:04,560
were anticipating that to be in the next
five years.

1250
01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:10,080
» Thank you, Miss Moore.
>> Anyone else? All right, I'll close

1251
01:36:07,199 --> 01:36:14,400
public comment. Any final comments from
membership?

1252
01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:18,320
» Is this uh does the city do do some sort
of due diligence relative to

1253
01:36:16,159 --> 01:36:23,280
environmental issues on vacant property
before we buy it? Uh I know that there's

1254
01:36:21,280 --> 01:36:27,440
funding that's built into the budget or
that we're about to discuss

1255
01:36:25,440 --> 01:36:34,320
uh specific to phase ones,
environmentals, ESAs, all that.

1256
01:36:31,280 --> 01:36:39,920
And the 120day period references that as
well for due diligence and this PSA.

1257
01:36:38,080 --> 01:36:44,719
Any other comments?
>> So the total price is 156.

1258
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:48,800
» I'm sure there's some additional closing
cost associated with that.

1259
01:36:47,119 --> 01:36:54,639
So, does that need to be added to the
156?

1260
01:36:49,679 --> 01:36:59,600
» I'm sure it would kind of fac,
as the mayor just mentioned, we kind of

1261
01:36:56,080 --> 01:37:04,880
factored that cost into this as as noted
on the budget. It says land acquisition,

1262
01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:09,119
due dy purchase, environmental for due
property, and that. So, I think it was

1263
01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:13,360
either 10 or 11,000, something we
factored already into that.

1264
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:15,360
» So, the 156 includes the factoring in or
not?

1265
01:37:13,679 --> 01:37:17,679
» No, it does not. So
>> it's in addition to that.

1266
01:37:16,719 --> 01:37:22,719
» All right.
>> So to be accurate then the cost of the

1267
01:37:20,480 --> 01:37:26,480
property should be 166.
>> Well the cost of the property to

1268
01:37:24,080 --> 01:37:31,280
purchase it from Duke is the 156
>> to purchase the property to include the

1269
01:37:28,719 --> 01:37:35,199
down payment and the closing cost is
166.

1270
01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:41,360
» You can say that.
>> Well I did say it. So is it accurate?

1271
01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:47,679
The purchase price from Duke as I
understand it. Okay. Is the 156. In

1272
01:37:45,199 --> 01:37:51,360
addition to that, the environmental
assessment is another 10,000.

1273
01:37:50,400 --> 01:37:52,080
» That's in the budget.
>> It is.

1274
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:54,560
» Yes.
>> Yes.

1275
01:37:52,480 --> 01:37:58,400
» Okay. As a separate line item or part of
the line item, the land say land

1276
01:37:57,040 --> 01:38:00,320
acquisition. Duke property purchase
environmental for the Duke property.

1277
01:37:59,760 --> 01:38:05,600
It's in there.
>> So, all right. So, it's as clear as mud.

1278
01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:09,119
» So, I do want to reference a few things
here. My my only issue with this

1279
01:38:07,440 --> 01:38:15,199
specific site is that it is somewhat
sight constrained in that I think it's

1280
01:38:11,520 --> 01:38:22,239
only 044 acres 42 either way less than
half an acre 045. So 19,5557

1281
01:38:19,840 --> 01:38:27,520
square ft. So with that I got to put
parking lot water mitigation uh a

1282
01:38:25,119 --> 01:38:31,280
building everything else with that. So
my concerns with this specific site is

1283
01:38:29,199 --> 01:38:34,480
just that the site constraints which uh
have been my concerns from the beginning

1284
01:38:32,719 --> 01:38:38,800
on this and then the points being made
as well is yes we have some seed money

1285
01:38:36,719 --> 01:38:42,159
so to speak but what's the real plan in
place um something that I've been doing

1286
01:38:41,040 --> 01:38:46,320
on
>> this is by the bike trail

1287
01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:50,159
» correct so
what I we do need to start somewhere we

1288
01:38:48,800 --> 01:38:52,800
do need to get somewhere with this and I
totally agree with that it's not kicking

1289
01:38:51,360 --> 01:38:57,040
the can down the road it's doing it
right setting up the proper thing 5 to

1290
01:38:55,360 --> 01:39:01,199
10 years from now I have spoken in
Orange County as well and they indicated

1291
01:38:59,119 --> 01:39:05,040
that they are uh purchasing something on
the east side right now and that for

1292
01:39:03,280 --> 01:39:09,920
them they would like to partner in that
capacity specific to that site that we

1293
01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:14,400
could u provide resources and things
like that and get um transportation

1294
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:18,719
going that would provide and and partner
with that site um delicately they said

1295
01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:21,440
that we're not deep into that yet but
that's what the conversations I've been

1296
01:39:20,159 --> 01:39:26,080
having with Orange County because we
can't do it alone. We don't have the

1297
01:39:22,960 --> 01:39:28,960
budget to fund all this. uh nor do I I I
don't think it's the government's

1298
01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:33,679
responsibility. There's nonprofits,
individuals, churches that are already

1299
01:39:31,760 --> 01:39:38,320
meeting a need and we need to bring them
all together to the table to to fund

1300
01:39:36,719 --> 01:39:41,119
this to to be a part of this. They have
funding that is already available to

1301
01:39:39,679 --> 01:39:45,119
this. We don't need to be running this.
We don't need to be expending taxpayer

1302
01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:48,560
dollars on this. We can just support
those that are doing it and get behind

1303
01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:54,800
them and get it right. We do have a lot
of land already that we already own that

1304
01:39:51,199 --> 01:39:59,199
we can utilize should that be the the um
uh the will of this board uh that the

1305
01:39:57,440 --> 01:40:03,520
city can technically sell to I guess the
CRA or or grant to the CRA without

1306
01:40:01,119 --> 01:40:06,320
having to spend these dollars. So, I'm
not by no means am I trying to kick the

1307
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:10,639
can down the road. I just want to make
sure we get it right. I don't want a

1308
01:40:08,080 --> 01:40:13,679
board seven years from now saying why'
they buy such a small site. We'd rather

1309
01:40:12,159 --> 01:40:16,480
an acre. We it would have been better if
this or better that. Obviously, we're

1310
01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:21,119
not we can always say it could be
better, but at the same time, uh looking

1311
01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:24,400
at whoever part having our partnership
set up front, whether whoever is going

1312
01:40:23,119 --> 01:40:27,600
to run it on the day-to-day, getting
their input of what that looks like,

1313
01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:32,480
what their true needs are going to be.
Uh I I think that needs to happen before

1314
01:40:29,600 --> 01:40:36,159
we um before we purchase it. Now, can we
do that in the 120 days of due

1315
01:40:33,920 --> 01:40:39,600
diligence? Absolutely. uh we we can
discuss that with all of our partners,

1316
01:40:38,080 --> 01:40:43,280
get partnerships in place, and if we
don't have comfort with all of our

1317
01:40:41,600 --> 01:40:47,119
partners in place yet, then we do have
the opportunity to cancel uh at the

1318
01:40:45,119 --> 01:40:51,520
discretion of the purchaser. So, for any
reason or no reason, we can back out uh

1319
01:40:49,360 --> 01:40:54,960
which it says in there. So, I think
that's where our due diligence while in

1320
01:40:53,360 --> 01:40:59,280
conjunction with doing phase ones,
environmentals, surveys, uh we need to

1321
01:40:57,440 --> 01:41:03,280
be seeing do we have partners that can
actually run this, fund it, and help

1322
01:41:01,280 --> 01:41:06,400
with it. Um it we don't have the staff
to do it. we don't have the funding to

1323
01:41:04,560 --> 01:41:09,119
do it. So, I want to make sure that we
have a successful plan in place should

1324
01:41:07,679 --> 01:41:12,719
this be the site that it's done
properly. So, that that's my only

1325
01:41:10,800 --> 01:41:15,520
concerns and and just making sure that
we do have a plan in place. I do want to

1326
01:41:14,080 --> 01:41:18,159
get momentum on this. I just want to
make sure we're doing it right. But, we

1327
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:21,119
absolutely can do that during the due
diligence process.

1328
01:41:19,600 --> 01:41:23,920
» This the one that has wetlands in the
back.

1329
01:41:21,840 --> 01:41:27,119
» Uh yes, to the north and I think to the
east as well.

1330
01:41:25,040 --> 01:41:30,400
» I think it's surrounded by or an
easement of some sort. There's something

1331
01:41:28,400 --> 01:41:33,760
there. There's this one. It just has
some really unique sight constraints to

1332
01:41:32,400 --> 01:41:38,719
it that
>> we may not love and it may not promote

1333
01:41:36,080 --> 01:41:43,360
what we what we need which is space.
>> Have the railroad crossing behind there.

1334
01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:47,199
» I'm not sure if railroads on that side.
>> Closing fishes is across.

1335
01:41:45,199 --> 01:41:49,520
» So yeah. So I think we take the 120 days
and see if it's something that we can

1336
01:41:48,639 --> 01:41:51,679
actually
>> get some partners see what we can make

1337
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:54,480
happen. See what happen.
>> I'm I'm all for that all day. I just

1338
01:41:53,119 --> 01:41:58,639
want to make sure the expectation we we
need a at 100 day 120

1339
01:41:56,880 --> 01:42:01,360
» day 119. I need a we need a plan in
place of this is how it's going to go,

1340
01:42:00,159 --> 01:42:03,520
who's partnering, when we're closing,
here's how it's going to get done.

1341
01:42:02,320 --> 01:42:06,960
» I think it'll help us kind of even with
that, you know, within that time period,

1342
01:42:05,199 --> 01:42:09,679
we're able to then if even if we cancel
with this site, we have enough

1343
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:11,600
information and to kind of know what we
can do. So,

1344
01:42:10,159 --> 01:42:15,040
» it gets those conversations going, build
confidence in the people we are talking

1345
01:42:12,800 --> 01:42:17,679
to as well that this isn't just chat.
We're about to close on this. Do you

1346
01:42:16,480 --> 01:42:22,000
want to be a partner in this and how can
it work? So, I think it's a great idea.

1347
01:42:19,520 --> 01:42:25,679
Any final comments? But what you're
looking for,

1348
01:42:23,970 --> 01:42:31,199
[clears throat] you're favor purchasing
a property as long as within 120 days we

1349
01:42:28,639 --> 01:42:34,719
can determine if it's buildable relative
to the resource center.

1350
01:42:32,719 --> 01:42:39,119
» Buildable and we can find partners that
are part of this process. We can't build

1351
01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:43,920
a building with 150,000
>> seed money, but we can we can start uh

1352
01:42:41,440 --> 01:42:48,800
so so yes, that's correct.
>> Yeah, we we need to consider long-term

1353
01:42:46,719 --> 01:42:53,679
partners. Oh, I understand. Um in terms
of the maintenance because All

1354
01:42:51,040 --> 01:42:57,280
right. So, Mr. Chair, I'll make a motion
that we uh

1355
01:42:55,280 --> 01:42:59,920
» May I interrupt be I'm sorry, but before
you make that motion because I just need

1356
01:42:58,639 --> 01:43:03,040
a little bit more clarity to make sure.
What does that look like when we talk

1357
01:43:01,440 --> 01:43:06,560
about partners? Are we looking for
actual written confirmation? Are we

1358
01:43:05,119 --> 01:43:10,800
looking for executed agreement?
>> Yeah, I would want something in writing

1359
01:43:07,679 --> 01:43:13,840
that says we should you close on this,
we will there'll be a funding component

1360
01:43:12,639 --> 01:43:17,840
to this. There's going to be a partner
that runs the day day-to-day of it. And

1361
01:43:15,920 --> 01:43:20,080
then what we will do is either a board
or a city what that looks like a

1362
01:43:19,760 --> 01:43:22,800
partnership.
>> So obviously we can't commit as a city

1363
01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:26,239
right now but we can commit as a CRA
board. So yeah there needs to be those

1364
01:43:24,880 --> 01:43:27,600
provisions in place of what that looks
like.

1365
01:43:27,199 --> 01:43:31,360
» My
>> I would think

1366
01:43:28,560 --> 01:43:36,400
» and then do we need a motion to approve
is the goal is to motion this PSA

1367
01:43:34,480 --> 01:43:39,840
in the dollar amount or just the PSA
itself.

1368
01:43:37,040 --> 01:43:43,679
» So I staff would need authorization for
you as board chair to execute this

1369
01:43:42,320 --> 01:43:48,521
agreement.
>> Okay.

1370
01:43:44,719 --> 01:43:48,521
» All right. So, I move uh [clears throat]

1371
01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:58,400
uh that the board authorize the chair
to enter into a contract for sale and

1372
01:43:54,719 --> 01:44:01,600
purchase of real estate at 205 East 8th
Street

1373
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:06,000
with the understanding that the city
attorney makes sure that we own the air

1374
01:44:03,360 --> 01:44:12,639
rights and the mineral rights
and that uh the city perform 120day due

1375
01:44:09,679 --> 01:44:16,400
diligence to see if a resource center is
a good is a good allocation for the

1376
01:44:15,679 --> 01:44:21,199
property.
>> So move

1377
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:24,960
» uh moved by member Drago,
second by member Anderson. Attorney hand

1378
01:44:23,600 --> 01:44:28,880
has a comment.
>> Give you the mic.

1379
01:44:26,800 --> 01:44:33,679
» Thank you, Blanch. Uh board members, I
would just like to let you know uh of

1380
01:44:31,040 --> 01:44:36,960
course this uh I just direct your
attention that the city of Apopka is the

1381
01:44:35,440 --> 01:44:42,320
actual purchaser. So this would have to
go before the council as well.

1382
01:44:40,239 --> 01:44:47,199
So could we recommend councelor could we
recommend that the city council purchase

1383
01:44:44,560 --> 01:44:52,960
the property instead of us purchasing?
See the problem we have is the money's

1384
01:44:49,119 --> 01:44:56,800
in our budget if if I understand it. So
does the budget so the money has to be

1385
01:44:54,880 --> 01:45:01,600
transferred to the general fund for the
city to purchase it? No blanch you could

1386
01:44:59,760 --> 01:45:07,840
do it automatically. What am I thinking
about? No, it's it's just the contract

1387
01:45:05,119 --> 01:45:11,360
is between the as he just said the city
of Aka.

1388
01:45:08,639 --> 01:45:14,159
» Why?
>> Yeah.

1389
01:45:11,679 --> 01:45:18,560
» Well, then well then
we have to can we amend that? I mean

1390
01:45:15,679 --> 01:45:24,080
basically send it amended
for their approval that it comes from

1391
01:45:20,480 --> 01:45:26,159
the uh TRA board.
>> Yes.

1392
01:45:25,199 --> 01:45:28,800
» That's what I'm thinking.
>> Thank you for that catch.

1393
01:45:27,360 --> 01:45:32,639
» So we just need to amend it to say that
it's from the board because it is in the

1394
01:45:30,560 --> 01:45:37,199
budget. Uh we have land acquisition,
Duke property purchase, environmental

1395
01:45:34,159 --> 01:45:43,119
for Duke property. Uh it also had 161 E6
street and new land in FY 2027. So it

1396
01:45:41,119 --> 01:45:50,639
had all that built into to these numbers
in this budget or in the I guess

1397
01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:59,679
carryovers budget request, excuse me.
>> So if uh if we can amend I guess the the

1398
01:45:55,280 --> 01:46:04,400
motion to reflect the proper purchaser.
>> All right. So, I amend my motion to

1399
01:46:01,679 --> 01:46:12,000
reflect the city of Apopka as the main
purchaser of the property at

1400
01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:14,400
2020 205 East Street
>> with the CRA board.

1401
01:46:13,280 --> 01:46:18,320
» CRA board.
>> So, move again.

1402
01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:20,639
» Uh moved by member Drago, seconded by
member Anderson. All those in favor say

1403
01:46:20,080 --> 01:46:23,760
I.
>> I.

1404
01:46:21,040 --> 01:46:26,800
» All opposed.
>> Uh motion carries.

1405
01:46:26,159 --> 01:46:34,360
» Opposed.
>> Four to two. uh with member Ruth and

1406
01:46:30,320 --> 01:46:34,360
member Velasquez in opposition.

1407
01:46:36,239 --> 01:46:39,440
» All right.
>> Are we comfortable on that? I don't want

1408
01:46:38,480 --> 01:46:42,159
to have to come back to that one if we
need to make any corrections. Are we?

1409
01:46:40,800 --> 01:46:46,800
» No, that's fine.
>> Let me uh ask one question. This has to

1410
01:46:45,199 --> 01:46:51,440
go before the city commission for a
second bite of the apple.

1411
01:46:49,199 --> 01:46:53,840
» Uh uh no.
>> No, because we changed it to the

1412
01:46:52,639 --> 01:46:58,000
» attorney hand. Does this need to go in
front of the city commission for

1413
01:46:55,119 --> 01:47:05,000
approval?
or ratification of approval

1414
01:47:01,040 --> 01:47:05,000
» unless uh

1415
01:47:05,119 --> 01:47:12,080
anything in the ILA that requires that
to go for the purchase of property

1416
01:47:09,840 --> 01:47:16,000
» because Orange County has a charter card
county. I don't believe there's anything

1417
01:47:13,600 --> 01:47:19,280
off the off of the top of my head, but
that's certainly something that that

1418
01:47:17,440 --> 01:47:23,400
staff can take a look at
>> and can be certain about.

1419
01:47:23,679 --> 01:47:29,280
typically no that's fine but it being a
charter county sometimes there are some

1420
01:47:27,360 --> 01:47:31,280
additional requirements and so forth so
I

1421
01:47:29,600 --> 01:47:34,560
» let's make sure look into that then off
hand I want to make sure that those are

1422
01:47:32,560 --> 01:47:38,639
covered and that that's looked at
>> let me just ask you a question and you

1423
01:47:36,960 --> 01:47:42,560
said that you have some talks with
Orange County

1424
01:47:40,080 --> 01:47:45,840
» regarding some kind of resource center
that they want to kind of put on the

1425
01:47:44,960 --> 01:47:48,080
east side
>> correct

1426
01:47:46,480 --> 01:47:50,880
» and they're asking us to partner with
them

1427
01:47:48,560 --> 01:47:55,440
» correct there was no specific ask no
specific dollar amount it was just

1428
01:47:53,600 --> 01:47:59,199
instead of us having to own, manage, and
run something, would it make sense to

1429
01:47:57,360 --> 01:48:03,040
partner with an entity that's already
buying it, running it, and partnerships

1430
01:48:00,960 --> 01:48:06,480
already in place, we can contribute in
some capacity, whether through CRA or

1431
01:48:05,199 --> 01:48:13,280
otherwise. Uh,
>> we will leave that 150 from Duke that we

1432
01:48:09,520 --> 01:48:15,280
earmarked for some type of resource.
>> That's correct.

1433
01:48:14,080 --> 01:48:19,440
» Okay.
>> But again, that's a commission decision,

1434
01:48:17,600 --> 01:48:23,119
not a board decision. But yes, that's
>> okay. And that can be that'll be in

1435
01:48:21,360 --> 01:48:26,000
budget talks as well for um
>> I mean I just don't want it to get lost.

1436
01:48:25,520 --> 01:48:30,639
Nope.
>> I just think that if if there's a

1437
01:48:28,159 --> 01:48:37,040
partnership that can come forth
>> because Orange County has the money

1438
01:48:34,960 --> 01:48:40,320
» and uh I think
>> contacts partnerships. Exactly. So I

1439
01:48:39,040 --> 01:48:44,000
think that's where that due diligence in
this will give us the time to get a

1440
01:48:42,080 --> 01:48:47,920
comfort level or back out and not move
forward with it.

1441
01:48:44,719 --> 01:48:53,280
» Okay. So it has that the the contingency
in there to to back out uh for any

1442
01:48:51,840 --> 01:48:57,440
reason that the purchaser deems
appropriate in its sole discretion.

1443
01:48:55,440 --> 01:49:00,800
» So if we are not happy with that as a
board, we can back out and reassess.

1444
01:49:00,239 --> 01:49:05,119
» Okay.
>> All right, staff. We're good on that

1445
01:49:02,880 --> 01:49:09,760
one. No, there's no update that I need
to make. No new motions. We got that one

1446
01:49:07,040 --> 01:49:14,639
right. Okay. Uh moving on to resolution
number 2026-01.

1447
01:49:12,560 --> 01:49:20,639
appro appropriate existing redevelopment
trust funds to the next FY27 in

1448
01:49:18,719 --> 01:49:26,000
resolution 2026-02
>> resolution number 2026-01

1449
01:49:24,080 --> 01:49:30,239
a resolution of the community
redevelopment agency of the city of

1450
01:49:28,080 --> 01:49:34,880
Apakka Florida approving the
appropriation of funds remaining in the

1451
01:49:32,480 --> 01:49:39,760
redevelopment trust fund to certain
projects authoriz authorizing the

1452
01:49:37,199 --> 01:49:46,560
executive director to take all actions
necessary to implement this resolution

1453
01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:51,280
providing for an effective date.
>> Mrs. Sherman,

1454
01:49:48,320 --> 01:49:59,840
» good evening.
Member chairman at this chairman Nester

1455
01:49:56,320 --> 01:50:04,639
and members of the CRA committee. I know
you can't see this. I can't either. So,

1456
01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:11,440
that's why I did give you sheets right
>> at your table. Um, I want to try to make

1457
01:50:07,679 --> 01:50:16,719
this as easy as possible in regards to
the FY2026

1458
01:50:13,920 --> 01:50:23,199
carryover funding. And I want to start
with the first column to your left,

1459
01:50:19,119 --> 01:50:29,199
which is your adopted budget for FY2026,
which is in the amount of the 6 million

1460
01:50:26,480 --> 01:50:37,280
328123.
There was only one amendment with some

1461
01:50:32,000 --> 01:50:41,800
PO rollovers totaling totaling 96,467
which made the amended budget the

1462
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:41,800
6,ion426590.

1463
01:50:42,320 --> 01:50:49,440
some of the pending reallocations that
we that you know had talked about and

1464
01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:55,440
had mentioned. I know she just left and
went to the ladies room [laughter]

1465
01:50:51,360 --> 01:51:01,600
but are listed here like some of the CRA
the B I FAP and the CRA RAP those

1466
01:50:59,760 --> 01:51:06,639
programs are no longer eligible
programs. So we were taking those funds

1467
01:51:03,679 --> 01:51:15,600
and moving them into the contingency.
in regards to the CRA DPAP program.

1468
01:51:11,760 --> 01:51:19,040
She wants to increase that by the 253765
and she talked about this at the

1469
01:51:17,199 --> 01:51:24,800
previous meeting and some of those
fundings are coming from the contingency

1470
01:51:21,199 --> 01:51:29,760
as well as from the
103755

1471
01:51:26,560 --> 01:51:36,880
which was the neighborhood park at 8th
Street in Highland. So wanting to

1472
01:51:33,520 --> 01:51:42,280
reallocate those funds into the down
payment assistance program of 253765

1473
01:51:42,560 --> 01:51:50,800
and we just had a several conversations
about the land acquisitions. So in the

1474
01:51:48,400 --> 01:51:57,199
current year budget she wanted to add
the 327,000

1475
01:51:53,119 --> 01:52:01,119
plus that 150 come to a total of 477 and
that was to support the purchase of the

1476
01:51:59,360 --> 01:52:08,639
Duke property some of the environmental
assessments and that 161 East Street

1477
01:52:06,320 --> 01:52:14,719
that made that total 477 if you're
following me.

1478
01:52:11,679 --> 01:52:18,880
In addition, some reallocation in the
amount of 375.

1479
01:52:16,960 --> 01:52:23,800
That's for the Edward Edwardsfield
installation of a pickle ball and

1480
01:52:20,400 --> 01:52:23,800
basketball fencing.

1481
01:52:24,080 --> 01:52:31,920
And
she wants to reallocate the fifth

1482
01:52:28,800 --> 01:52:37,599
street, Fifth and Central Avenue signal
design for Fifth and Park Avenue signal

1483
01:52:34,159 --> 01:52:40,960
and pedestrian upgrades. And the
majority of those funds about a

1484
01:52:39,360 --> 01:52:46,320
million51646
to go to the Alonzo Williams Park event

1485
01:52:43,840 --> 01:52:52,840
p uh no I'm saying that wrong. This is
why you can't see this thing parking lot

1486
01:52:48,320 --> 01:52:52,840
at MA board in Hawthorne.

1487
01:52:53,840 --> 01:52:59,920
And again some of those funding coming
out of contingency some reallocating

1488
01:52:58,239 --> 01:53:05,840
from some of the projects that were
previously pro approved in the 20 2026

1489
01:53:02,880 --> 01:53:11,119
budget. And that brings our total after
some of the transfers that have already

1490
01:53:07,599 --> 01:53:15,760
been made to the 6,ion426590.
Again, it's just a reallocation of those

1491
01:53:12,960 --> 01:53:19,840
funds within those programs. After we do
that, uh, in order to determine the

1492
01:53:18,159 --> 01:53:25,840
amount that we will be rolling forward
into 27, we look at your expenditures to

1493
01:53:23,440 --> 01:53:32,080
date and your anticipated expenditures
for the rest of the fiscal year.

1494
01:53:29,360 --> 01:53:37,920
And expenditures to date was about 870
286. We anticipate expending another

1495
01:53:35,599 --> 01:53:44,719
188304
making leaving a remaining balance here

1496
01:53:40,960 --> 01:53:49,159
of 5 million 368 368,000
to be carried forward into FY27.

1497
01:53:51,520 --> 01:53:59,119
» Okay, I'm going stop there before I go
to the 27th. Any questions?

1498
01:53:56,639 --> 01:54:02,400
» Questions from membership? So the I know
that we have in here for the land

1499
01:54:00,159 --> 01:54:05,679
acquisition that property at 161 East
6th Street.

1500
01:54:03,920 --> 01:54:09,599
» So are we because we decided against
that property. So are we taking that

1501
01:54:07,840 --> 01:54:11,280
those funds and putting pardons in the
contingency? What are we doing with the

1502
01:54:10,800 --> 01:54:14,560
additional?
>> We can take them out and put them back

1503
01:54:12,719 --> 01:54:16,800
into the contingency if that's what you
prefer.

1504
01:54:14,960 --> 01:54:18,320
» I'm just asking. I know we haven't.
>> Okay. Yes.

1505
01:54:17,599 --> 01:54:22,719
» Okay. So
>> can you tell uh can you tell us and I'm

1506
01:54:20,880 --> 01:54:27,920
looking at the column that's has the
proposed budget with carryover.

1507
01:54:25,280 --> 01:54:32,440
So, member Anderson talked about the
land acquisition, which is $777,000.

1508
01:54:32,480 --> 01:54:41,040
Talks about Duke Property, East
Sixth Street, and new land.

1509
01:54:39,280 --> 01:54:48,440
What new land are we going to buy
>> in 27? The 300,000.

1510
01:54:44,880 --> 01:54:48,440
» Yes. So, 800,000.

1511
01:54:57,520 --> 01:55:05,119
So that was in consideration of not just
the Duke property and the other property

1512
01:55:02,239 --> 01:55:10,639
that the board has now elected not to um
to purchase but any other and and

1513
01:55:07,760 --> 01:55:15,520
ancillary and additional costs, excuse
me, but it's also including if there's

1514
01:55:12,800 --> 01:55:21,679
any other property that may uh come up
available. Um, so our office gets I'd

1515
01:55:18,239 --> 01:55:26,080
say once once every uh every couple
weeks or so or so there is someone that

1516
01:55:24,159 --> 01:55:29,840
has property that they are interested in
the CR potentially purchasing of which

1517
01:55:27,840 --> 01:55:34,000
we bring before the board at the time.
So additional funds are there in case

1518
01:55:31,760 --> 01:55:38,239
the board elects that it would like to
um review property for potential

1519
01:55:35,520 --> 01:55:42,000
purchase. But as um finance director
mentioned, it can be put back into

1520
01:55:39,440 --> 01:55:45,280
contingency so that at the time you can
review on a case-by case basis and make

1521
01:55:43,840 --> 01:55:51,239
a decision of whether or not you'd like
to uh transfer the funds specifically

1522
01:55:47,840 --> 01:55:51,239
for that purchase.

1523
01:55:51,280 --> 01:55:57,679
» Uh [clears throat]
it just feels like we're skipping

1524
01:55:54,480 --> 01:56:00,320
around. So let me concentrate on the
proposed budget with carryover.

1525
01:56:00,110 --> 01:56:05,199
» [clears throat]
>> What the if I may the first resolution

1526
01:56:03,520 --> 01:56:07,760
is the carry forward
>> only the

1527
01:56:06,719 --> 01:56:14,320
» estimated carry
>> only the dollar amount not the line item

1528
01:56:11,920 --> 01:56:19,360
» I want to go over the line item
>> so when do I do that after after the

1529
01:56:17,199 --> 01:56:23,280
resolution is adopted or before
>> you

1530
01:56:20,159 --> 01:56:27,440
» well I think what the the request is is
don't go through proposed budget and

1531
01:56:25,040 --> 01:56:31,119
carryover just go over carryover is
what's being requested

1532
01:56:29,280 --> 01:56:34,000
» by Mr. Sherman. Correct.
>> 2027.

1533
01:56:32,719 --> 01:56:37,599
» 2026.
>> 2026.

1534
01:56:34,880 --> 01:56:41,920
» FY. So, it's third from the right.
>> Third from the right.

1535
01:56:40,239 --> 01:56:46,800
» All right. I'll I'll I'll wait till
after the resolution to go through it

1536
01:56:44,000 --> 01:56:49,800
line item by line item. That would be
appropriate.

1537
01:56:50,719 --> 01:56:55,199
» We do have line items for the carryover.
>> Uh,

1538
01:56:53,920 --> 01:57:00,239
» okay.
>> So, you know.

1539
01:56:57,199 --> 01:57:06,080
» Okay. Any questions specific to the
carryover appropriations?

1540
01:57:03,760 --> 01:57:07,599
» I have questions on line items, but
we'll cross that bridge when we get

1541
01:57:07,440 --> 01:57:10,800
there.
>> Well, we can go through line of

1542
01:57:09,760 --> 01:57:17,679
» carryovers.
>> Okay. Um, so,

1543
01:57:14,560 --> 01:57:23,840
so in reference to
the downtown Apopka trail, isn't that

1544
01:57:22,000 --> 01:57:27,199
completed already?
>> I think phase one is complete.

1545
01:57:26,080 --> 01:57:30,199
» Phase one. Mhm.
>> So,

1546
01:57:30,320 --> 01:57:39,280
» is this this item specifically for phase
two or it's not it's it's not specific

1547
01:57:37,599 --> 01:57:41,440
in terms of what
>> what

1548
01:57:39,760 --> 01:57:45,199
» my understanding um when it was first
set up it was phase two and phase three.

1549
01:57:43,760 --> 01:57:48,560
They were going to break it out in three
phases.

1550
01:57:46,159 --> 01:57:50,560
» Okay. So, that's what this 1.3 is for.
>> Yes, ma'am.

1551
01:57:49,280 --> 01:57:58,239
» Okay.
Um, my next question is in reference to

1552
01:57:55,360 --> 01:58:04,080
the Fifth and Central Avenue signal
design. I see that there's no carryover.

1553
01:58:01,760 --> 01:58:11,440
» That's the part she wants to reallocate
the 1.3 from that 1.350646.

1554
01:58:09,280 --> 01:58:16,480
If you see in that reallocation column,
this color is blue. She's reallocating

1555
01:58:14,000 --> 01:58:24,159
those funds into other programs and the
the majority of which is into the

1556
01:58:19,199 --> 01:58:29,520
parking lot at MA board in Hawthorne.
>> May I ask why you want to reallocate

1557
01:58:26,080 --> 01:58:32,880
that to the parking lot on Hawthorne?
>> Yes. So, and while I'm answering, I'm

1558
01:58:31,599 --> 01:58:36,239
also going to ask parks to come up
because this was a request specifically

1559
01:58:34,159 --> 01:58:42,480
by our parks department in order to deal
with a lot of the um significant amount

1560
01:58:39,520 --> 01:58:46,480
of traffic that they get due to the the
the games and the recreation programs

1561
01:58:44,320 --> 01:58:50,159
that they have and specifically to that
project for um fifth and what's it

1562
01:58:49,599 --> 01:58:54,480
called?
>> Fifth and C in Central and Central.

1563
01:58:52,320 --> 01:58:58,880
» So, there's been very little movement
thus thus far. Um, so my conversations

1564
01:58:57,679 --> 01:59:02,719
with public works is that they're
looking at possibly breaking it out into

1565
01:59:00,480 --> 01:59:06,800
phases um, in order to hopefully get
more traction on it. But in the interim,

1566
01:59:04,560 --> 01:59:10,719
we want to make sure that we move
forward um, and making sure that we are

1567
01:59:09,599 --> 01:59:14,320
compliant with our expenditure
requirement with the county and we also

1568
01:59:12,639 --> 01:59:17,920
want to find projects that we could move
forward that still provides a

1569
01:59:15,599 --> 01:59:22,080
significant enough impact. So that
project fifth and central is not off the

1570
01:59:20,159 --> 01:59:26,320
table. when it becomes available and
it's ready to move then we will put that

1571
01:59:24,400 --> 01:59:31,800
in in future budget.
>> When you say a little movement what do

1572
01:59:28,320 --> 01:59:31,800
you mean by that

1573
01:59:33,280 --> 01:59:36,639
» is it
>> well and I'll describe it on like on a

1574
01:59:35,520 --> 01:59:41,360
higher level
>> then and and obviously uh Mr. Sonowski

1575
01:59:39,199 --> 01:59:43,520
can pro provide specific updates to this
>> in terms of

1576
01:59:42,080 --> 01:59:47,280
» but what's happening is that we have
staff that don't they have ownership of

1577
01:59:46,080 --> 01:59:52,639
projects but they have 15 different
projects. So that specific project

1578
01:59:50,159 --> 01:59:55,920
» doesn't get a priority or only gets hey
every time it kind of comes through the

1579
01:59:53,840 --> 01:59:58,080
loop of what we're working on it takes
some time. So there's where the delays

1580
01:59:57,119 --> 02:00:02,320
are coming in
>> and that's where there's it's staff time

1581
02:00:00,719 --> 02:00:03,840
there. It's just span of control of the
amount of projects we have.

1582
02:00:03,360 --> 02:00:06,480
» Okay.
>> Unless I'm wrong.

1583
02:00:04,880 --> 02:00:10,880
» Yes. So [clears throat] the design
hasn't started on that on the traffic

1584
02:00:08,000 --> 02:00:15,040
signal. Uh we're looking now into at
least getting the pedestrian

1585
02:00:12,400 --> 02:00:18,800
signalization there for the crosswalks
and that's going to be like a phase one

1586
02:00:16,560 --> 02:00:22,560
and then phase two will be
rehabilitation of the entire

1587
02:00:20,239 --> 02:00:26,960
intersection with a new traffic signal
and this is for fifth and central only.

1588
02:00:25,280 --> 02:00:31,280
» Yeah.
I just think we need to eventually put

1589
02:00:28,719 --> 02:00:35,360
this put some funding back into this.
But I understand

1590
02:00:32,560 --> 02:00:39,920
» and I can also um tell you that the last
conversation I had with the county in

1591
02:00:36,960 --> 02:00:45,040
relation to the extension their request
was hey you have um projects with a

1592
02:00:43,040 --> 02:00:50,960
significant budget line item to it of
which when will we see movement on

1593
02:00:47,280 --> 02:00:54,880
those? So this is um this is intentional
and moving it to projects that there

1594
02:00:52,560 --> 02:00:58,239
will provide movement but recognizing
that the project when it's ready we can

1595
02:00:56,880 --> 02:01:03,920
we will bring it back before the board
to reallocate some funding.

1596
02:01:00,000 --> 02:01:09,960
» Okay. Thank you.
>> Any other questions specific to the line

1597
02:01:05,440 --> 02:01:09,960
items for carry over appropriation?

1598
02:01:10,400 --> 02:01:16,400
» Yeah. What is an MA board? Is that a
electronic board of some sort? It's a

1599
02:01:14,800 --> 02:01:19,840
street right here.
>> Named after a resident.

1600
02:01:17,920 --> 02:01:21,520
» Yeah, it's a street.
>> Which street is that?

1601
02:01:20,800 --> 02:01:26,880
» MA [clears throat] board.
>> Oh, MA board.

1602
02:01:25,520 --> 02:01:31,280
» Any additional questions from
membership? I do want to because we got

1603
02:01:28,880 --> 02:01:33,280
to uh approve this separately. Correct.
>> Yes.

1604
02:01:31,679 --> 02:01:34,080
» Okay. I want to open up to public then
right now.

1605
02:01:33,760 --> 02:01:40,360
» Okay.
>> Anybody from the public wish to speak on

1606
02:01:35,760 --> 02:01:40,360
the carryover appropriations?

1607
02:01:40,480 --> 02:01:49,440
» All right. No,
>> Leroy Bell. I I don't have my hearing

1608
02:01:44,080 --> 02:01:54,000
aids in today. Um did this this was MA
board and six orthorn

1609
02:01:52,719 --> 02:01:59,199
» board and Hawthorne.
>> That's that's on Sixth Street,

1610
02:01:56,960 --> 02:02:02,960
which is MA board. That would be that
would be the parking lot across from

1611
02:02:02,159 --> 02:02:07,840
Lorenza
>> Alonzo Williams. Correct.

1612
02:02:04,880 --> 02:02:16,000
» And that Yes. We I'm I'm hoping that you
guys will approve that because we really

1613
02:02:10,960 --> 02:02:21,440
need that uh for the facility and um I
know that

1614
02:02:17,760 --> 02:02:28,800
Miss Cindy they to put in water and put
in uh electric and we really need for

1615
02:02:25,119 --> 02:02:34,480
events I think also not just the parking
lot the drainage of the fields but I

1616
02:02:32,239 --> 02:02:39,920
think that's a good project and I think
uh I I'm hoping that you guys will

1617
02:02:36,880 --> 02:02:44,400
approve that for the uh move over,
however you want to put it.

1618
02:02:41,199 --> 02:02:47,599
» Thank you, Mr. Bell.
>> Well, there's $50,000 in there for the

1619
02:02:46,400 --> 02:02:52,400
parking.
>> No, there's one point.

1620
02:02:49,440 --> 02:02:54,719
» No, for for Edwards Field, there's
$50,000.

1621
02:02:54,000 --> 02:02:58,320
» Edwards Field.
>> Edwards Field.

1622
02:02:55,440 --> 02:02:58,320
» That's Edwards Field.

1623
02:02:58,400 --> 02:03:05,679
lot of MA board in Hawthorne is one a
little over a million

1624
02:03:03,440 --> 02:03:07,760
» 3000,7
I can't even see

1625
02:03:06,560 --> 02:03:10,560
» that's not the number but that's
>> Williams party

1626
02:03:08,400 --> 02:03:13,360
» a million something
just below it

1627
02:03:11,679 --> 02:03:19,360
» yeah I was just trying to do parking lot
>> wait till everybody finish so it's all

1628
02:03:15,840 --> 02:03:25,199
good uh Sylvester Hall Alonzo William
Park

1629
02:03:21,280 --> 02:03:29,760
I live in Rock Springs Ridge and I
frequently go Right out of my backyard

1630
02:03:27,920 --> 02:03:34,800
across the street, I'm go over to Jason
Dwellin and visit the Northwork

1631
02:03:32,239 --> 02:03:41,040
Recreation Center and it's beautiful
most of the time. But I look at how we

1632
02:03:37,679 --> 02:03:46,800
upkeep and I look at what is there. And
maybe a couple weeks ago, Leroy and I

1633
02:03:43,119 --> 02:03:53,840
went to Alonzo William Park on a Sunday.
The guys was out playing soccer

1634
02:03:49,679 --> 02:03:58,639
and uh they had to move the goalpost
away from the water so they can play on

1635
02:03:55,760 --> 02:04:03,360
the side that was dry. And when you walk
on the field and where you thought was

1636
02:04:00,400 --> 02:04:07,920
grass, your shoes just sink down into
the mud.

1637
02:04:05,920 --> 02:04:11,199
Leroy mentioned earlier everything that
we're planning with the CRA is on one

1638
02:04:09,760 --> 02:04:17,080
side and there's nothing on the other
side. That's one little park, Alonzo

1639
02:04:13,679 --> 02:04:17,080
William Park.

1640
02:04:17,360 --> 02:04:26,000
that we have pretty much just left the
stand for itself. I complain over and

1641
02:04:23,920 --> 02:04:32,800
over about no electrical outlets when we
have events when the v uh the vineyards

1642
02:04:30,159 --> 02:04:38,639
come out there to uh hook up. There was
nothing. Thank you for finally getting

1643
02:04:35,920 --> 02:04:42,560
that into place. But I the guys that say
if you got to use the restroom, where do

1644
02:04:40,080 --> 02:04:48,080
you go?
There's about maybe six to 10 big oak

1645
02:04:46,320 --> 02:04:53,679
trees. They just go behind the oak
trees. Well, if you got to do a number

1646
02:04:50,719 --> 02:04:58,800
two, what do you do?
So when when mother nature call, you

1647
02:04:55,760 --> 02:05:03,440
just do what you got to do. So it's a
shame that we don't have not one outside

1648
02:05:01,040 --> 02:05:08,320
restroom
at Alonzo William Park. Not one outside

1649
02:05:06,719 --> 02:05:12,000
restroom.
I don't took my pictures and everything.

1650
02:05:10,239 --> 02:05:17,520
So, I'm putting my presentation together
also. But I'm watching you guys are how

1651
02:05:14,480 --> 02:05:22,719
how you go about distributing CRA funds
in certain areas.

1652
02:05:19,760 --> 02:05:27,360
That park when you have Junth,
if that park, if that parking area

1653
02:05:25,920 --> 02:05:32,320
wasn't available, where would people
park? Because any event you have over

1654
02:05:30,480 --> 02:05:37,280
there, you go look at parking, that
little area pretty much overflows.

1655
02:05:35,520 --> 02:05:40,880
But yet and still, we've been we've been
asking for years for a parking lot over

1656
02:05:39,199 --> 02:05:46,560
there.
Then the parking space that you have

1657
02:05:42,480 --> 02:05:52,000
right in front, if you have a big SUV,
you're blocking traffic.

1658
02:05:49,199 --> 02:05:55,040
Your behind is sticking in the road.
Well, when I go over to Jason Dwelling,

1659
02:05:53,760 --> 02:05:58,719
I don't see those type of things.
There's adequate parking. There's all

1660
02:05:56,960 --> 02:06:04,440
kinds of adequate restrooms and
everything. The fields are dry, mostly

1661
02:06:01,440 --> 02:06:04,440
maintained.

1662
02:06:04,719 --> 02:06:12,360
But we don't have that Alonzo William
Park

1663
02:06:08,239 --> 02:06:12,360
and I asked the difference why.

1664
02:06:13,599 --> 02:06:22,159
So this time with the CRA money, can we
please make the whole city of Apopka,

1665
02:06:19,599 --> 02:06:27,520
let's bring it up to par.
The areas that we don't neglect for for

1666
02:06:25,360 --> 02:06:32,000
years, let's bring them up to par. Let's
bring them up to standard.

1667
02:06:30,079 --> 02:06:36,400
I ask each and every one of you to do
that.

1668
02:06:33,920 --> 02:06:43,079
Starting with Alonzo William Park. Thank
you. Thank you, Mr. Hall. Anyone else

1669
02:06:39,280 --> 02:06:43,079
from the public wish to speak?

1670
02:06:49,199 --> 02:06:56,320
Christine Moore 141 South Central. I did
attend the training. I'm certified in

1671
02:06:54,719 --> 02:07:00,159
Florida redevelopment area. I did that
last year and I also live in it. And so

1672
02:06:58,719 --> 02:07:06,079
I wanted to talk to you about the
purpose of CRAAS is because they were

1673
02:07:03,520 --> 02:07:11,360
about 40 50 years ago was to invest in
things that increase the property tax,

1674
02:07:08,800 --> 02:07:17,840
the value of property. It was never
meant um to be a park fund. It was it

1675
02:07:15,119 --> 02:07:23,679
was meant for streetscape.
uh what you're doing with facade

1676
02:07:19,920 --> 02:07:29,520
renovations on the commercial on the uh
residential side and what what we're all

1677
02:07:25,679 --> 02:07:34,400
facing coming in November is potential a
great reduction in available revenue and

1678
02:07:32,480 --> 02:07:40,639
so if you follow strongs I'm the
president of that for aka and uh the the

1679
02:07:38,000 --> 02:07:44,639
or the the organization urban 3 if you
take any of those courses I have will

1680
02:07:43,040 --> 02:07:50,560
tell you that you should invest with
your CRAAS and things that will produce

1681
02:07:47,440 --> 02:07:55,360
revenue revenue in terms of property
values. So if you're putting a lot of

1682
02:07:53,199 --> 02:08:00,880
money in parks, I would just ask you to
say, how does that increase the revenue

1683
02:07:58,320 --> 02:08:04,719
downtown? I also had a conversation with
Byron Brooks the other day and they're

1684
02:08:02,960 --> 02:08:08,880
really looking the county and I'm not
there now, but they're really looking to

1685
02:08:06,400 --> 02:08:13,360
reduce your funding. So I really
encourage you with this budget to invest

1686
02:08:10,800 --> 02:08:19,840
in things that will show increased
property tax revenue. So, street skates

1687
02:08:17,119 --> 02:08:23,520
in a commercial area, great. Anything
you're doing on Fifth Street, I applaud

1688
02:08:21,679 --> 02:08:28,639
that because that can potentially bring
you more revenue and people building.

1689
02:08:26,400 --> 02:08:33,760
But investing in parks, they could make
the argument to you that that should

1690
02:08:30,639 --> 02:08:38,800
come out of your parks fund. So, um I I
love all the the uh renovation programs

1691
02:08:37,040 --> 02:08:43,040
on the commercial and the residential
side, but the the key is if you think

1692
02:08:40,960 --> 02:08:48,000
about this, we're going to have less
revenue coming from residential,

1693
02:08:45,760 --> 02:08:51,599
but where we will still have revenue is
from commercial and industrial. So, I

1694
02:08:50,000 --> 02:08:56,639
really encourage you with this revenue
to think about downtown, how you can

1695
02:08:54,000 --> 02:08:59,840
increase your commercial tax base. Thank
you.

1696
02:08:57,840 --> 02:09:05,119
» Thank you, Miss Moore. Anybody else from
the public wish to speak?

1697
02:09:02,079 --> 02:09:09,520
All right, we will close public comment.
Uh, any questions, final comments from

1698
02:09:08,159 --> 02:09:14,320
membership?
>> I have I have one question and I'm just

1699
02:09:12,400 --> 02:09:19,119
kind of curious and I'm I was going to
kind of

1700
02:09:15,520 --> 02:09:22,400
» segue off Commissioner Moore's comments.
>> Uh,

1701
02:09:20,639 --> 02:09:26,800
West Orange Street doesn't have
sidewalks. First Street doesn't have

1702
02:09:24,400 --> 02:09:30,560
sidewalks. Oak Street doesn't have
sidewalks. Myrtle doesn't have

1703
02:09:28,400 --> 02:09:36,079
sidewalks. Monroe don't don't have
sidewalks. East Third Street don't have

1704
02:09:33,360 --> 02:09:40,400
sidewalks. North Lake Avenue don't have
sidewalks. And North Washington don't

1705
02:09:37,920 --> 02:09:46,079
have sidewalks. They're all in the CRA
district.

1706
02:09:42,159 --> 02:09:49,760
Um, and to cross from the west side of
town to the east side to even go to the

1707
02:09:48,079 --> 02:09:57,599
park, you're going to take your life and
your to cross Park Avenue to get to the

1708
02:09:52,560 --> 02:10:02,159
park. um that that's risky at best and
you certainly, you know, without traffic

1709
02:10:00,159 --> 02:10:05,880
control, you can't get from the west
side to the east side.

1710
02:10:06,560 --> 02:10:10,480
» With that in mind, are you wanting to
are you proposing to move money around

1711
02:10:09,599 --> 02:10:17,440
to something else?
>> No, I'm I when we're talking about CRA

1712
02:10:13,920 --> 02:10:25,840
funds, these are these are legitimate
um areas where that money is intended to

1713
02:10:21,760 --> 02:10:32,480
go. um you know and all these streets
you know run north,southeast and west.

1714
02:10:28,159 --> 02:10:36,159
So, um it's contiguous. Um what's not on
the east is the same on the west and

1715
02:10:34,320 --> 02:10:40,960
what's not on the north is the same on
the south. And we can definitely

1716
02:10:38,800 --> 02:10:45,119
reallocate funds or move them around.
And as we navigate, let's say on our

1717
02:10:42,560 --> 02:10:50,159
November meeting, the budget's set, but
we can in some capacity

1718
02:10:47,599 --> 02:10:54,239
» after they Yeah. to be an amendment.
>> Yeah. To to say, "Hey, you know, we want

1719
02:10:51,920 --> 02:10:57,360
to reallocate or the parking lot." Well,
the reallocation wouldn't be an

1720
02:10:55,679 --> 02:11:00,800
amendment, but we've done reallocations
throughout the year only if we're

1721
02:10:59,040 --> 02:11:05,280
increasing the budget overall.
>> Gotcha. Okay. These streets also handle

1722
02:11:03,520 --> 02:11:10,079
three schools, Orange County schools,
and these kids walk in the middle of

1723
02:11:06,960 --> 02:11:13,199
Lake Street. Um, so,
>> so I think there's a difference.

1724
02:11:11,199 --> 02:11:18,880
» I think we need to be aware of the fact
that, you know, um, I took it upon

1725
02:11:16,639 --> 02:11:24,719
myself to put stop signs for that
reason, the lack of sidewalks

1726
02:11:22,560 --> 02:11:28,400
and we did that 10 years ago.
>> Well, I think we can definitely find a

1727
02:11:25,920 --> 02:11:33,760
balance in in this budget to be able to
allocate funds for sidewalks. Uh that

1728
02:11:30,960 --> 02:11:39,280
definitely does help with uh improving
what the CRA should be doing as well as

1729
02:11:36,560 --> 02:11:44,560
um a parking lot. What's interesting
about a parking lot too for a park is it

1730
02:11:41,280 --> 02:11:48,719
helps to uh bring more vendors down. It
helps to bring more events. It helps to

1731
02:11:46,159 --> 02:11:52,960
create an atmosphere of commerce and
community. And if you have a park in a

1732
02:11:51,040 --> 02:11:56,560
neighborhood that is nice and wellkept
and something people want to go, it will

1733
02:11:55,040 --> 02:12:00,239
increase property values in that area.
So I think there's strategy behind that.

1734
02:11:58,719 --> 02:12:05,840
I don't think it's based on anything
other than a strategy that improves the

1735
02:12:02,880 --> 02:12:10,400
area. So, uh, and again, we can edit as
we need to or adjust as we need to. And

1736
02:12:07,440 --> 02:12:13,520
if we want to have uh more consistent
meetings, too, to pivot quickly with

1737
02:12:12,239 --> 02:12:17,280
these budgets, we can do that as well.
So, keep that in mind. We don't have to

1738
02:12:14,960 --> 02:12:20,880
wait just quarterly. We can do monthly.
We can do what this board prefers to do.

1739
02:12:19,520 --> 02:12:23,599
So, just keep that in mind as we
navigate forward because I think

1740
02:12:22,079 --> 02:12:28,560
pivoting quickly is going to be our key
to success on this board. Uh, so any

1741
02:12:26,560 --> 02:12:33,840
final questions or comments? Are those
sidewalks you mentioned, are they in the

1742
02:12:30,480 --> 02:12:38,320
northwest section of the of the city?
>> They in the northwest of the CRA. Yes,

1743
02:12:35,840 --> 02:12:44,320
» they're in the entire CRA district.
>> Well, there's in the budget they have

1744
02:12:40,880 --> 02:12:47,920
sidewalks north- west doesn't have south
and east. So,

1745
02:12:46,239 --> 02:12:53,360
» I just named every street that doesn't
have a sidewall. I wasn't particular of

1746
02:12:50,960 --> 02:12:57,040
east, west, north. The streets I named
are do not have sidewalks.

1747
02:12:55,520 --> 02:13:00,400
» Okay.
And again, we can work to allocate as

1748
02:12:58,560 --> 02:13:03,440
needed or as we want to prioritize or
have some staff go out there and say,

1749
02:13:02,079 --> 02:13:06,880
"Hey, these this is kind of the main
thoroughare area. Let's prioritize those

1750
02:13:05,760 --> 02:13:12,159
and then go from there."
>> I know, but we had a resident that had

1751
02:13:09,599 --> 02:13:19,040
been advocating for Lake Avenue for a
long time, for a few years. And uh that

1752
02:13:15,440 --> 02:13:24,560
would be Mr. Roger Beckett who I I can
remember for the last four or five years

1753
02:13:21,920 --> 02:13:31,119
he's been advocating and is correct. Um
there's a lot of school uh kids that use

1754
02:13:27,760 --> 02:13:35,520
those streets and they use uh the actual
street to get to the schools. We have

1755
02:13:33,440 --> 02:13:40,400
Dream Lake
uh Apakka Middleak

1756
02:13:38,159 --> 02:13:43,520
» and Apakka Elementary. Oh, in the high
school.

1757
02:13:41,199 --> 02:13:46,800
» Yeah. All in that corridor there. So,
well, again, we can edit as we

1758
02:13:45,119 --> 02:13:51,040
prioritize or as we want to prioritize.
We can adjust these to staff and then

1759
02:13:48,480 --> 02:13:53,840
and then go from there. So, any final
comments? If not, I'll look for

1760
02:13:53,280 --> 02:13:57,440
approval.
>> Let me get one clarification if you

1761
02:13:55,360 --> 02:14:05,199
don't mind. U Mr. Chairman,
>> the 299 that is a for the 161 East

1762
02:14:03,440 --> 02:14:08,800
6th Street, we're going to put those
funds back into the contingency. That's

1763
02:14:06,960 --> 02:14:10,560
going to be a modification here.
>> Okay.

1764
02:14:09,280 --> 02:14:13,440
» Correct.
>> Yes. And then we can reallocate as

1765
02:14:12,000 --> 02:14:16,159
needed. Probably need to prioritize
reallocating those, right? That would

1766
02:14:15,360 --> 02:14:20,880
make sense.
>> Okay.

1767
02:14:17,199 --> 02:14:24,880
» Is that out of the uh 777,000?
Yes, but it's the 477 is a part of that

1768
02:14:24,000 --> 02:14:29,280
477.
>> Yeah. So, how much are you

1769
02:14:27,040 --> 02:14:32,079
» 299,000?
>> Did you allocate any additional dollars

1770
02:14:30,960 --> 02:14:34,560
for the environmental on that one
though?

1771
02:14:32,639 --> 02:14:37,040
» 11,0001,000. Was that
>> wasn't part of the 299?

1772
02:14:36,239 --> 02:14:40,320
» But was that for
>> No, but on top of the 299

1773
02:14:38,320 --> 02:14:42,560
» on top of the 299 was one of those 11
for that property.

1774
02:14:41,599 --> 02:14:46,880
» No, not specifically.
>> We gave two 11s. It's two 11s that are

1775
02:14:44,719 --> 02:14:47,840
in there. I know one was for the Duke
property.

1776
02:14:47,520 --> 02:14:50,560
» Mhm.
>> And I guess like any new property,

1777
02:14:50,159 --> 02:14:54,480
» correct?
>> So that would be associated with the new

1778
02:14:52,320 --> 02:14:57,040
property, the other 11,000.
>> Okay.

1779
02:14:54,960 --> 02:15:01,119
» Correct.
>> All right. Well, I will look for a

1780
02:14:58,320 --> 02:15:04,800
motion then to approve resolution number
2026-01

1781
02:15:02,719 --> 02:15:06,639
with the
>> amendment or change

1782
02:15:06,159 --> 02:15:12,639
» change
>> of the 161 E63 allocation

1783
02:15:10,320 --> 02:15:18,800
» and that is in the amount of the 6
million 127366

1784
02:15:15,599 --> 02:15:22,599
and that includes the carryover from 26
in the amount of 5,368,000

1785
02:15:23,040 --> 02:15:29,840
and some prior year carryover in the
amount of 759,00

1786
02:15:27,440 --> 02:15:35,248
366.
>> All right, Mr. Chair, I have a couple of

1787
02:15:31,440 --> 02:15:35,248
questions. Um, [clears throat]

1788
02:15:35,679 --> 02:15:42,800
I've always been a proponent that when
you come to

1789
02:15:39,920 --> 02:15:46,320
when the cities get to sign documents,
legal documents,

1790
02:15:44,719 --> 02:15:50,639
uh, it should always be an elected
official

1791
02:15:48,880 --> 02:15:57,520
um because that's what the voters voted
for. So with that said, I'm

1792
02:15:54,560 --> 02:16:02,760
prepared to make a motion with
amendments to resolution 2026-04.

1793
02:16:04,013 --> 02:16:11,520
[clears throat] So I move to adopt
resolution 2026-04

1794
02:16:09,520 --> 02:16:15,440
with the following amendments.
>> I hate to interrupt. We don't have a we

1795
02:16:13,440 --> 02:16:16,560
don't have that currently. Correct. We
have

1796
02:16:15,679 --> 02:16:18,880
» have what?
>> That resolution.

1797
02:16:18,320 --> 02:16:25,360
» Yeah,
>> it's right here. We have

1798
02:16:22,880 --> 02:16:27,760
» 2026-01
>> one.

1799
02:16:25,920 --> 02:16:31,840
» No. The clerk said the last one we
adopted was 03. This has got to be 04.

1800
02:16:30,239 --> 02:16:35,960
» It doesn't have to be that way.
>> No,

1801
02:16:32,240 --> 02:16:35,960
» this is the first one.

1802
02:16:36,399 --> 02:16:42,160
» This one is 2026-01.
>> Then I'm not looking at it in

1803
02:16:39,760 --> 02:16:45,599
chronological order relative to the to
the uh to the agenda.

1804
02:16:43,599 --> 02:16:48,160
» That's correct.
>> So it's 01 is the right number.

1805
02:16:47,359 --> 02:16:56,399
» Yes. Correct.
>> All right. Let me start over again.

1806
02:16:51,920 --> 02:17:02,240
I move to adopt resolution 2026-01
with the following amendments. In the

1807
02:16:57,920 --> 02:17:07,359
title, the uh award executive director
gets replaced with chairman.

1808
02:17:04,719 --> 02:17:14,040
In section two,
uh there's a fiscal year 2025 should be

1809
02:17:11,040 --> 02:17:14,040
2026.

1810
02:17:18,960 --> 02:17:28,800
Yes.
>> In section two, uh

1811
02:17:25,439 --> 02:17:34,639
the word fiscal year 2025 gets replaced
with 2026.

1812
02:17:30,719 --> 02:17:39,080
In section three, uh the words CRA
director gets replaced with chairman.

1813
02:17:42,264 --> 02:17:44,284
» [snorts]

1814
02:17:45,040 --> 02:17:54,679
» Are we
Can we do that? Change that from

1815
02:17:50,639 --> 02:17:54,679
» executive director to chairman.

1816
02:17:56,319 --> 02:18:00,280
» Got a motion by member Drago.

1817
02:18:01,280 --> 02:18:06,479
» Do I have a second?
>> I'll second.

1818
02:18:04,800 --> 02:18:10,000
» Second by member Baron. All those in
favor say I.

1819
02:18:07,519 --> 02:18:13,200
» I. All opposed.
>> Motion carries unanimously.

1820
02:18:11,760 --> 02:18:17,399
» Thank you.
>> Next up, resolution number 2026-02.

1821
02:18:20,719 --> 02:18:27,840
» Resolution 2026-2,
a resolution of the community

1822
02:18:25,280 --> 02:18:30,840
redevelopment agency.
>> Oh,

1823
02:18:31,519 --> 02:18:38,399
sorry. Resolution
2026-02,

1824
02:18:36,719 --> 02:18:42,240
a resolution of the Community
Redevelopment Agency of the City of

1825
02:18:40,240 --> 02:18:46,760
Apaka, Florida, adopting the annual
budget for fiscal year 2026-2027.

1826
02:18:48,080 --> 02:18:55,719
» Mrs. Sherman,
>> yes. Um, the item before you, which

1827
02:18:56,479 --> 02:19:04,719
again, I apologize. I can't see it. I
know you can't,

1828
02:19:02,160 --> 02:19:10,399
but
in regards to the 2027 budget with the

1829
02:19:07,120 --> 02:19:17,359
carryover funds, um, in regards to the
adorum taxes, we have an amount of 1.5

1830
02:19:14,160 --> 02:19:21,160
interest income 217,000. The carryover
amount of 6,127,000

1831
02:19:21,200 --> 02:19:26,120
professional services 195,000

1832
02:19:26,639 --> 02:19:35,120
7,000 for auditing services
travel and pdem 2850

1833
02:19:32,960 --> 02:19:38,120
other charges and assistance programs
2,534759,000

1834
02:19:39,200 --> 02:19:44,040
books and publications 1,171

1835
02:19:44,559 --> 02:19:54,960
land was the 300,00 000 capital
improvements 4,5217

1836
02:19:51,120 --> 02:20:00,720
241 and contingency of 279. Again, this
will change with the changes that were

1837
02:19:57,040 --> 02:20:05,600
made in the um carryover amount as well.
So, we would amend this accordingly.

1838
02:20:04,240 --> 02:20:10,000
» Thank you, Mr. Sherman. Any questions
from membership?

1839
02:20:07,040 --> 02:20:15,200
» Now, th this is only for the proposed
budget. We still haven't discussed the

1840
02:20:13,280 --> 02:20:18,319
proposed budget with carryover. So when
do we do when do we do that?

1841
02:20:17,040 --> 02:20:23,240
» Do it right now.
>> Okay, good. So

1842
02:20:25,040 --> 02:20:33,600
So I looked at uh I looked at these line
items.

1843
02:20:30,000 --> 02:20:38,000
So my understanding is any uh block any
box that's blank, it's not funded.

1844
02:20:37,439 --> 02:20:42,080
» Correct.
>> All right. So let's start with the

1845
02:20:39,840 --> 02:20:47,640
residential renovation assistance
program. There's a dollar amount in

1846
02:20:44,399 --> 02:20:47,640
there of1,579733.

1847
02:20:49,120 --> 02:21:00,399
When you do the math of $30,000
a household, it comes up to 52.6. So I

1848
02:20:56,399 --> 02:21:06,720
have problems with the with the 6.
When you look at the uh down payment

1849
02:21:03,200 --> 02:21:15,143
assistance program of 3537
55 that comes out to 11

1850
02:21:11,040 --> 02:21:20,040
five relative to being funded. My first
[snorts] recommendation would be

1851
02:21:22,319 --> 02:21:32,120
to set the um residential
renovation assistance program at 1.56000

1852
02:21:33,520 --> 02:21:42,000
or 1.56 million. That gives you 52
applications that can be funded at

1853
02:21:40,080 --> 02:21:49,200
$30,000
for the uh down payment assistance

1854
02:21:44,960 --> 02:21:54,640
program that gets adjusted to $360,000.
At $30,000 gives you 12 applications

1855
02:21:52,160 --> 02:22:01,280
that can be approved.
The remaining 13,488

1856
02:21:58,399 --> 02:22:08,160
of those numbers being adjusted, I would
recommend that that be added to the

1857
02:22:04,000 --> 02:22:13,840
sidewalk line item, bringing it to 126
386

1858
02:22:10,319 --> 02:22:20,920
so the budget stays in balance. Now, for
the 299 that is supposedly being saved

1859
02:22:17,600 --> 02:22:20,920
in land,

1860
02:22:21,280 --> 02:22:31,439
and I can make an argument that
streetscape may not improve property

1861
02:22:26,399 --> 02:22:35,280
values, especially the ones on
441 with the stamp concrete, stamp

1862
02:22:33,760 --> 02:22:40,640
brick.
Uh, but I think uh some of the residents

1863
02:22:38,720 --> 02:22:47,520
concerned about
>> Oh, there it is. Yeah. park facilities

1864
02:22:44,160 --> 02:22:54,160
have a certain amount of amenities
equal across the board. I think uh

1865
02:22:51,200 --> 02:22:57,160
should be taken into consideration.
So,

1866
02:22:57,200 --> 02:23:04,560
I would propose, and I'll leave it up to
the board to decide the dollar amount,

1867
02:23:01,600 --> 02:23:12,399
that part of that 299
be allocated to um

1868
02:23:08,000 --> 02:23:19,359
Alonzo Williams Park to add event power,
water upgrades, and restrooms, whatever

1869
02:23:14,800 --> 02:23:24,720
that cost is to the 54,58.
And then the balance then would be added

1870
02:23:22,240 --> 02:23:28,960
to the sidewalk. And I would hope the
city when they install sidewalks, it's

1871
02:23:26,640 --> 02:23:34,479
six inches thick and not four inches
because you see a lot of utility trucks

1872
02:23:31,120 --> 02:23:39,439
mount the sidewalks and park there.
And my experience is it'll sidewalks

1873
02:23:36,960 --> 02:23:44,600
will crack or it'll become uneven and
the city's back there spending more

1874
02:23:40,880 --> 02:23:44,600
money to fix it.

1875
02:23:45,120 --> 02:23:54,160
On your first
comment in regards to the RAP program,

1876
02:23:52,000 --> 02:23:57,560
that program under the revised budget
was 962,500.

1877
02:23:57,760 --> 02:24:06,399
The expenditure to dates was the 522767
then 120 was anticipated. That

1878
02:24:04,240 --> 02:24:11,439
difference that is not an even number is
because that is the carryover amount for

1879
02:24:09,120 --> 02:24:16,160
things that were not paid out or
expected to be paid out during that

1880
02:24:13,520 --> 02:24:19,840
fiscal year but rolling it forward to
make sure we have the funds there to

1881
02:24:17,680 --> 02:24:23,600
make that payment out. The amount for
the FY227

1882
02:24:21,600 --> 02:24:28,800
is the 1,26
260,000.

1883
02:24:25,760 --> 02:24:34,120
So, it includes an carryover amount that
is related to unpaid obligations.

1884
02:24:34,479 --> 02:24:43,600
» Um, well, I don't see it that way.
Uh, the last time we had to amend the

1885
02:24:40,479 --> 02:24:49,200
budget in order for Miss Forbes to
complete an application that was 16 and

1886
02:24:47,040 --> 02:24:56,080
change.
Now,

1887
02:24:51,280 --> 02:25:00,120
$30,000 into one point
126 is what number?

1888
02:25:02,430 --> 02:25:09,120
[snorts]
>> I don't have a calculator.

1889
02:25:06,000 --> 02:25:10,960
» They didn't give it to me in school.
>> 42.

1890
02:25:10,080 --> 02:25:12,319
» How much?
>> 42.

1891
02:25:11,680 --> 02:25:14,720
» 42.
>> I don't think we were set on that

1892
02:25:13,439 --> 02:25:17,200
30,000. I think it's just we're still
massaging that number, right? I don't

1893
02:25:16,479 --> 02:25:22,160
think we're set on that.
>> Well, I think that I Are you you're

1894
02:25:19,120 --> 02:25:26,080
referencing the Rap right now?
>> Okay. I was still Okay. Other other

1895
02:25:24,800 --> 02:25:29,120
line. Okay. Yeah. Down payment. Not the
down payment. Yeah. Okay.

1896
02:25:27,040 --> 02:25:30,640
» No, no, no. That's that's the renovation
program.

1897
02:25:29,920 --> 02:25:34,960
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. That's I got it. We got it.

1898
02:25:32,720 --> 02:25:39,359
» That was adopted this year. And Miss
Forbes spent

1899
02:25:37,359 --> 02:25:45,200
I think she had 30 applications or
something like that at $30,000 each.

1900
02:25:42,399 --> 02:25:50,000
Some may be less, some may be more, but
what I heard her tell us, she spent all

1901
02:25:47,600 --> 02:25:51,840
the money or allocated the money. So
therefore

1902
02:25:51,520 --> 02:25:55,520
uh
>> and this is how we cover those

1903
02:25:53,359 --> 02:26:01,200
allocations that have not been paid to
carry this money forward.

1904
02:25:57,439 --> 02:26:05,920
» Okay. So the hundred,000 then that needs
to that needs to be upped in order to

1905
02:26:04,080 --> 02:26:09,920
meet come up with some round number at
$30,000.

1906
02:26:08,160 --> 02:26:17,439
Otherwise she's going to be coming back
saying I can only do 9.75

1907
02:26:13,280 --> 02:26:23,359
and we have to find money for the 75.
So, the program, I'm sorry, the program

1908
02:26:21,120 --> 02:26:29,280
allows for up to up to 30,000, but not
all applications receive that 30,000. It

1909
02:26:26,080 --> 02:26:33,520
is contingent upon the um quote and the
scope of work that we get from the

1910
02:26:30,800 --> 02:26:38,880
approved general contractor. So, some
folks got a the full 30,000, but there

1911
02:26:36,160 --> 02:26:42,640
are some that got as small as 10,000. It
really just depended on the scope of

1912
02:26:40,319 --> 02:26:45,840
work that that they did. That being
said, if the will of the board is to

1913
02:26:44,160 --> 02:26:48,640
increase it to a rounder number, we can
definitely do that. I just want to offer

1914
02:26:47,200 --> 02:26:52,000
clarity that not everyone got
specifically 30,000.

1915
02:26:50,640 --> 02:26:57,760
» No, I was talking about the down
payment. The budget says 100,000. So if

1916
02:26:55,439 --> 02:27:00,319
you allocate 30, it's not a round
number.

1917
02:26:59,677 --> 02:27:05,520
[snorts]
>> Correct. So it would be in the the in

1918
02:27:02,240 --> 02:27:09,920
the same thread as the rewrap that not
every application will receive the

1919
02:27:07,439 --> 02:27:13,120
entire 30,000. It will be based on the
amount of funding that's available as

1920
02:27:11,760 --> 02:27:17,600
well as the amount of funding that they
are requested and eligible to receive.

1921
02:27:19,680 --> 02:27:29,520
So the carryover amount of 319 and 253
has some incumbrance attached to it. Is

1922
02:27:28,800 --> 02:27:32,800
that right?
>> Yes. At least for the rewrap. I

1923
02:27:31,680 --> 02:27:37,840
» Yeah. Not the 253.
>> Yeah. The rewrap did. The 253 is kind of

1924
02:27:35,120 --> 02:27:41,600
new reallocation.
>> All right. But the down payment

1925
02:27:39,120 --> 02:27:48,720
assistance program that's being
presented to us now. So that was not in

1926
02:27:45,280 --> 02:27:52,960
the 26 budget as a as a carryover.
>> It is in the 26 budget as a carryover,

1927
02:27:51,120 --> 02:27:56,399
but it was provided to you as a
reallocation.

1928
02:27:54,800 --> 02:27:59,399
» So no money has been spent.
>> Correct.

1929
02:28:00,080 --> 02:28:08,160
» Okay. So the my original argument stands
it should be a round number in in order

1930
02:28:04,800 --> 02:28:12,800
for Miss Forbes to have an even amount
of applications relative to $30,000.

1931
02:28:11,600 --> 02:28:16,720
But that's what the assumption that
every single applicant spends 30,000.

1932
02:28:15,120 --> 02:28:22,240
» Well, the budget has to be made on some
assumptions and what I'm hearing

1933
02:28:18,640 --> 02:28:25,040
» and this one is already
>> and we're not really sure we're

1934
02:28:23,439 --> 02:28:30,080
massaging that still. We haven't decided
if we're going to get 30,000 20 like

1935
02:28:27,359 --> 02:28:34,560
we're still kind of massaging that from
my understanding.

1936
02:28:32,319 --> 02:28:36,960
» But I I understand your position. I
think is

1937
02:28:35,359 --> 02:28:41,280
» because these numbers will change as we
get to November or if we have additional

1938
02:28:38,640 --> 02:28:45,439
meetings to work these around to where
we find new priorities where we choose

1939
02:28:43,200 --> 02:28:48,960
to pivot. If we want different land, if
we want new bathrooms, if we want new

1940
02:28:46,960 --> 02:28:54,640
sidewalks, all these numbers will
adjust,

1941
02:28:51,280 --> 02:29:00,240
if we want them to.
Okay. So, the extra 299,

1942
02:28:58,232 --> 02:29:04,399
[snorts] is there an appetite to put
some into Alonzo Park for bathrooms and

1943
02:29:02,560 --> 02:29:08,240
some added to sidewalks?
>> It is. I was going to bring that up.

1944
02:29:06,399 --> 02:29:11,439
Definitely the um Alonzo William Park,
the outside bathroom. I know it was

1945
02:29:09,760 --> 02:29:17,040
something we had discussed once before.
So, I I thought we were getting like a

1946
02:29:13,760 --> 02:29:21,680
um a estimate on that. I remember we
talked about it one time. Remember? I

1947
02:29:19,040 --> 02:29:24,800
think I asked for it
before.

1948
02:29:23,040 --> 02:29:31,280
Chris Richtor with the parks and rec
department. Uh we did get some prefab uh

1949
02:29:28,640 --> 02:29:33,200
estimates ranging anywhere from about
250 to 300.

1950
02:29:32,800 --> 02:29:35,760
» Okay.
>> So pre prefabs

1951
02:29:35,040 --> 02:29:40,720
» prefab
>> either four or six uh stall uh prefab.

1952
02:29:39,200 --> 02:29:42,479
» What does that I'm so sorry. What does
that look like? I don't like prefab.

1953
02:29:42,240 --> 02:29:45,280
Like
>> it's basically a a concrete uh prefab

1954
02:29:44,479 --> 02:29:49,680
building.
>> Um depending on you can do four or six

1955
02:29:47,680 --> 02:29:55,600
stalls. Is it similar to what we have
like Northwest Recre the um u

1956
02:29:53,520 --> 02:29:58,319
» think of like the concession stand?
>> Yeah, the the smaller concession stand

1957
02:29:57,200 --> 02:29:59,920
between the uh fields.
>> Okay, it looked like Okay, that's what

1958
02:29:59,600 --> 02:30:01,359
Okay,
>> correct.

1959
02:30:00,319 --> 02:30:03,920
» I just want to make sure my head
>> still a legitimate building. [laughter]

1960
02:30:02,479 --> 02:30:06,479
» Okay, wait a minute. What
>> did that cost us?

1961
02:30:05,280 --> 02:30:10,880
» I'm not sure on that one.
>> What did that cost us

1962
02:30:08,080 --> 02:30:14,399
» by the amphitheater?
>> I'm not certain on those. I know the

1963
02:30:12,399 --> 02:30:17,920
most recent ones the estimate came back
depending on if you're doing four, six,

1964
02:30:15,840 --> 02:30:20,880
eight stalls, concession stand, no
concession stand, those were about 250

1965
02:30:20,160 --> 02:30:23,520
to 300 or so.
>> So I think at 299 reallocate like

1966
02:30:22,880 --> 02:30:25,680
» get us where we need to
>> get us where we need to be.

1967
02:30:24,240 --> 02:30:28,560
» And keep in mind that is just the
building. So there is going to be some

1968
02:30:26,800 --> 02:30:32,319
cost associated with getting power,
water, sewer connected.

1969
02:30:30,960 --> 02:30:34,479
» We'll put a bid out for it. That's
>> well the money is in there for the

1970
02:30:33,760 --> 02:30:39,439
water.
>> Yeah, we got the 54,000 already for

1971
02:30:36,000 --> 02:30:42,160
that. of 299 to the
>> Alonzo were your bathroom. Okay.

1972
02:30:41,280 --> 02:30:47,240
» Bathrooms.
>> Okay.

1973
02:30:43,600 --> 02:30:47,240
» So, make that change.

1974
02:30:47,520 --> 02:30:53,920
» All right. Final questions, comments
from the board. Adjustments.

1975
02:30:52,160 --> 02:30:58,120
All right. We'll do public comment.
Anyone from the public wish to speak?

1976
02:31:00,479 --> 02:31:08,160
Again, I I I just want to thank all you
guys uh uh what you're going through

1977
02:31:05,600 --> 02:31:14,000
trying to get everything lined up. But
the comment that I have I have is you

1978
02:31:11,520 --> 02:31:20,640
had a public comment come up saying
where this CRA dollars should be spent

1979
02:31:17,840 --> 02:31:27,200
with a member roof saying that where
it's definitely we need sidewalk. We do

1980
02:31:23,600 --> 02:31:31,280
uh we got kids, but this this Lorenzo
William Park uh I I remember one

1981
02:31:29,680 --> 02:31:36,160
commission meeting we was talking about
we need to find more revenue because we

1982
02:31:34,319 --> 02:31:43,040
don't know what's going to happen with
these tax dollars with amendment three.

1983
02:31:39,280 --> 02:31:48,479
So you got to you got to look around for
money and by fixing up Lor Resa William

1984
02:31:46,160 --> 02:31:53,680
Park by putting a parking lot out there.
It's the same way that we use CRA money

1985
02:31:51,040 --> 02:31:59,840
up at Jason Dwelling with putting over
the canvas over the stage. If we put a

1986
02:31:57,920 --> 02:32:05,280
park out here, if we put a parking lot
out here and fix the field up, put a

1987
02:32:02,800 --> 02:32:10,240
bathroom out here, then we start drawing
events out there. If we start drawing

1988
02:32:07,920 --> 02:32:15,040
events out there, we start the city
start bringing in a revenue.

1989
02:32:12,880 --> 02:32:20,800
It's not a hindrance. It's something
that can help the city and and and and I

1990
02:32:18,720 --> 02:32:25,359
really I really think like I said I
appreciate what everybody doing and I

1991
02:32:23,280 --> 02:32:32,640
think a lot of residents will but you
know I think we we need we need to get

1992
02:32:27,600 --> 02:32:36,880
away from the language that um you know
it's

1993
02:32:34,160 --> 02:32:42,240
not I'm looking at one we're looking
down through a lens. We got to see the

1994
02:32:40,000 --> 02:32:47,840
whole picture.
And the whole picture is we can make you

1995
02:32:44,960 --> 02:32:54,080
can make Lorenza William Park
be a great revenue for the city and it

1996
02:32:52,000 --> 02:33:00,120
would pay for itself. All you got to do
is invest in it.

1997
02:32:56,560 --> 02:33:00,120
» Thank you, Mr. Bell.

1998
02:33:06,640 --> 02:33:13,520
» Sylvester Hall. A couple things. I know
I mentioned before that we should have a

1999
02:33:11,040 --> 02:33:18,560
CRA director
because we're winging everything and we

2000
02:33:15,680 --> 02:33:21,920
really need expert advice. So, I'm going
just throw that out. Throw that out

2001
02:33:20,160 --> 02:33:27,920
there again. We should have a CRA
director. And I'm just curious why we

2002
02:33:25,680 --> 02:33:31,359
didn't have the meeting in city hall
because

2003
02:33:29,520 --> 02:33:35,280
when we trying to look at the numbers, I
didn't want to be rude and come up and

2004
02:33:33,680 --> 02:33:36,880
you know and try to look at numbers and
then we got

2005
02:33:36,080 --> 02:33:40,960
» renovated
>> here. Well, they looking and they can't

2006
02:33:38,399 --> 02:33:42,479
see the numbers. So, I'm just kind of,
you know, wondering why we didn't have

2007
02:33:42,080 --> 02:33:43,439
any.
>> They're [clears throat] renovation. I

2008
02:33:43,120 --> 02:33:45,280
think
>> they're renovating.

2009
02:33:44,000 --> 02:33:49,840
» Renovating it right now.
>> They're renovating chambers. Okay.

2010
02:33:48,160 --> 02:33:52,479
» I hope they hurry up because this is
pretty much unsat, you know, for

2011
02:33:51,359 --> 02:33:56,640
somebody back there and they're looking
at the figures and they're trying to

2012
02:33:53,920 --> 02:33:58,960
look at the figures with you guys.
You really can't do it.

2013
02:33:57,760 --> 02:34:02,560
» But what's important is that this is
posted previously. It's online. You can

2014
02:34:00,880 --> 02:34:04,479
look on your phone, zoom in, iPad, print
out.

2015
02:34:02,960 --> 02:34:07,760
» Anybody don't have time to go online
when they come in and they come into the

2016
02:34:06,160 --> 02:34:11,280
events. They haven't done that. So
that's why you got it up here now. If

2017
02:34:09,600 --> 02:34:14,399
you didn't, you just take it down and we
need it because everybody go online.

2018
02:34:12,880 --> 02:34:17,359
» But there is access to it. I want to
make sure that it's known access.

2019
02:34:15,920 --> 02:34:21,439
» Yeah, I I understand that. But I'm just
saying like here we now and everybody's

2020
02:34:19,040 --> 02:34:27,720
sitting in trying to look it be more
presentable where we have where

2021
02:34:22,800 --> 02:34:27,720
everybody can look at the figures. Um

2022
02:34:28,000 --> 02:34:35,439
uh
it's it's a hard balance when we look at

2023
02:34:32,960 --> 02:34:41,840
things and it's just dependent on one
person vision. Uh it's it's sad when our

2024
02:34:38,800 --> 02:34:48,399
country feel like uh investing in people
is not an a return on your investment.

2025
02:34:46,399 --> 02:34:52,080
It's very sad when we feel like an
investment on people. and we have some

2026
02:34:50,560 --> 02:34:55,760
great people coming out of the city of
Apopka

2027
02:34:54,080 --> 02:35:01,439
and we're saying that an investment on
those people is not a return on our

2028
02:34:57,840 --> 02:35:05,840
community. That's sad. That is really
sad. Thank you.

2029
02:35:03,439 --> 02:35:09,000
» Thank you, Mr. Hall. Anybody else wish
to speak?

2030
02:35:13,760 --> 02:35:26,399
» Okay. The CRA community redevelopment
agency was created under statues 163.

2031
02:35:21,600 --> 02:35:34,560
A popka CRA was established in 1993.
Now resolution 9316 ordinance 783 if I'm

2032
02:35:30,640 --> 02:35:40,080
not mistaken to fist blight
aging infrastructure

2033
02:35:36,640 --> 02:35:47,680
and some housing shortest. This CRA
cover 633 acre district. It's just not

2034
02:35:43,680 --> 02:35:53,920
one side. It's the north and the south.
This is founded by task increasment

2035
02:35:50,720 --> 02:35:58,560
increments financing which is tiff DI if
everybody understand. So the northwest

2036
02:35:55,680 --> 02:36:03,840
side didn't have this kind of money that
was TDT money task uh mean tourist

2037
02:36:02,000 --> 02:36:10,160
investment.
Now where the money goes

2038
02:36:07,280 --> 02:36:15,600
commercial first framing according to
the law

2039
02:36:12,720 --> 02:36:22,800
commercial infrastructure priorities a
street case the downtown Apok trail fase

2040
02:36:19,120 --> 02:36:29,120
improvements grant for businesses public
and business support initiatives

2041
02:36:25,920 --> 02:36:35,040
this will drive private investment and
growth the task base that funds

2042
02:36:31,840 --> 02:36:39,920
everything else. I like the parking lot
idea. That's actually one of my ideas

2043
02:36:36,880 --> 02:36:44,640
for a long time. I hear it now. Yes, it
needs to be in Apka. What we call South

2044
02:36:42,319 --> 02:36:49,600
Aoka, but it's not really it's a puffka.
We never really had a south aka if you

2045
02:36:46,880 --> 02:36:55,280
look at our legislation. Yes, it will
been bring people there and it will

2046
02:36:51,439 --> 02:37:02,080
connect us. But the CRA money most and
foremost goes for commercial development

2047
02:36:58,560 --> 02:37:05,800
to bring private investment into our
muchneeded downtown.

2048
02:37:05,920 --> 02:37:09,399
» Thank you, Miss Burkel.

2049
02:37:16,160 --> 02:37:23,920
» Christine Moore, 141 South Central. I
want to encourage you uh applaud you I

2050
02:37:21,280 --> 02:37:28,640
should say that um a couple of years ago
the county put the city of Apka on a

2051
02:37:26,880 --> 02:37:34,880
probationary period because the money
was not being spent and the and they

2052
02:37:32,080 --> 02:37:39,040
really don't have uh the legal right to
tell you how to spend the money. You

2053
02:37:37,280 --> 02:37:44,160
really make those decisions but there
are best practices and the FRA website

2054
02:37:42,000 --> 02:37:48,640
is terrific. If you've never looked at
the winners from the last few years,

2055
02:37:46,000 --> 02:37:53,120
you'll see in many many cities and I'm
going to be heading up to Pensacola for

2056
02:37:50,240 --> 02:37:57,200
a strong towns meeting um how they use
the money to revitalize their downtown

2057
02:37:55,200 --> 02:38:01,600
and you do have to balance the
residential from the commercial and

2058
02:37:59,439 --> 02:38:05,760
you've got an added burden knowing that
your tax base may be cut in a couple of

2059
02:38:03,920 --> 02:38:10,479
years and there's talk at the county of
reducing your funds in half. So, this

2060
02:38:08,160 --> 02:38:13,760
budget really really matters. It could
be your final budget. I don't know. I

2061
02:38:12,399 --> 02:38:18,240
don't know how that's going to pass and
I'm not at the county to tell you if

2062
02:38:15,840 --> 02:38:23,280
they'll continue. Um, your plan has
really not been formally updated since

2063
02:38:20,560 --> 02:38:27,280
2017 and that might have been something
you could have done. And I'd encourage

2064
02:38:25,600 --> 02:38:30,720
you, some people might disagree with me,
but I would encourage you to take some

2065
02:38:28,960 --> 02:38:34,240
money out to go to those conferences
because I think if you go to the

2066
02:38:32,160 --> 02:38:37,760
conferences for FRA, you're going to see
the best practices all over the state

2067
02:38:36,240 --> 02:38:41,920
and how they spent the money and how
it's brought ROI. And I just want to

2068
02:38:40,160 --> 02:38:48,800
address the one comment. You know, this
is governed by Florida statute. It came

2069
02:38:45,359 --> 02:38:53,040
in back in the 1970s when the cities
were dying, and that's a whole another

2070
02:38:50,240 --> 02:38:58,319
long story, to help you revitalize these
downtown areas. And so, it isn't meant

2071
02:38:56,080 --> 02:39:02,000
for every expenditure. There are certain
things that'll bring ROI, and you can

2072
02:38:59,920 --> 02:39:06,640
check, it'd be nice every year if you
came back and said, "We invested this

2073
02:39:04,479 --> 02:39:11,120
and look at the property values and the
extra revenue." So, you're supposed to

2074
02:39:08,319 --> 02:39:15,840
be investing so that the downtown brings
more revenue in the future. You're

2075
02:39:13,600 --> 02:39:21,200
trying to make dollars. You're trying to
encourage the private sector into

2076
02:39:18,479 --> 02:39:25,600
investing. And so, again, if you have a
chance to take that FRA course or go to

2077
02:39:23,600 --> 02:39:29,439
a conference, some might say you
shouldn't spend money on conferences,

2078
02:39:27,120 --> 02:39:32,880
but boy, it's a great place to learn and
it's a difficult job. I thank you for

2079
02:39:31,120 --> 02:39:36,200
what you're doing.
>> Thank you, M.

2080
02:39:37,040 --> 02:39:48,800
I want to speak of what that uh
Christine say. I know Andranet you um

2081
02:39:44,399 --> 02:39:54,640
actually invested in the FRA membership
the city of Apovka

2082
02:39:51,120 --> 02:40:00,479
um under the economic development is on
the conference. It's a wonderful

2083
02:39:56,800 --> 02:40:07,439
conference and I asked a few of the
commissioners about going to that

2084
02:40:03,359 --> 02:40:13,840
conference and seeing what other cities
are doing with the CRA funds.

2085
02:40:11,200 --> 02:40:20,800
So I actually recommend there is also
online courses. I'm a member of that

2086
02:40:17,120 --> 02:40:26,800
online concert courses and our former
attorney Mr. Shepard is one of the guest

2087
02:40:24,240 --> 02:40:30,640
speakers on the conference.
>> Thank you, Miss Sprinkle.

2088
02:40:29,120 --> 02:40:34,160
» He's our current attorney.
>> He's our current attorney.

2089
02:40:32,399 --> 02:40:37,840
» He's still He still works Rusters. I
want to make sure that's

2090
02:40:35,359 --> 02:40:40,080
» I don't need him upset right now. He's
current.

2091
02:40:38,399 --> 02:40:41,920
» My current [laughter]
fire.

2092
02:40:40,800 --> 02:40:44,560
» Yeah.
>> Got rid of him.

2093
02:40:42,960 --> 02:40:47,600
» Thank you for your comments. Anybody
else? Want to make sure there's any

2094
02:40:45,600 --> 02:40:55,200
opportunity
where the CR C8 come from?

2095
02:40:52,479 --> 02:41:01,680
tax interal incremental finance.
>> It's the tax dollars that they set out

2096
02:40:57,840 --> 02:41:06,080
from the citizens. Correct.
>> It's tax dollars.

2097
02:41:03,120 --> 02:41:12,720
» It's tax dollars. So, what I'm saying is
I I understand that we need to make a

2098
02:41:10,160 --> 02:41:17,680
public beautiful. It need to be the
beacon on the hill. It need to be the

2099
02:41:14,319 --> 02:41:22,080
blueprint of Central Florida.
But then if we going to do that off the

2100
02:41:20,479 --> 02:41:28,399
back of the citizens, off the
taxpayers's money,

2101
02:41:24,479 --> 02:41:35,200
we should we should be able we should be
able. I I I don't I don't understand all

2102
02:41:32,080 --> 02:41:40,560
the push back about all this money going
this way. And when when taxpayers

2103
02:41:38,720 --> 02:41:47,600
can see
some of their money out the CRA going up

2104
02:41:44,319 --> 02:41:53,920
to Jason dwelling
and not just downtown for the downtown

2105
02:41:50,800 --> 02:41:59,040
center uh uh uh the beautifification of
downtown. It is and this is the

2106
02:41:56,960 --> 02:42:05,280
disconnect
with the city. will separate the city.

2107
02:42:02,560 --> 02:42:09,920
What you do and and and my in my
experience,

2108
02:42:07,280 --> 02:42:15,680
you can you can fix
all this on this side. I'm saying

2109
02:42:12,319 --> 02:42:20,960
downtown or whatever. The way you fix it
is just simply do what you do on that

2110
02:42:17,920 --> 02:42:26,720
side. Let's do it downtown. And right
here, this is a part of the city, the

2111
02:42:24,240 --> 02:42:32,880
facade too.
just bring in but and just don't just

2112
02:42:29,120 --> 02:42:37,920
don't shut people out just because uh uh
um

2113
02:42:35,439 --> 02:42:42,720
Miss Miss Moore just said you guys are
in charge of this. You spend the money

2114
02:42:39,840 --> 02:42:48,240
the way that you see fit
and only thing I'm saying is that see

2115
02:42:45,200 --> 02:42:51,680
fit to treat this side like you do that
side. That's all I ask. Thank you.

2116
02:42:50,880 --> 02:42:55,040
» Thank you.
>> We don't spend dollars.

2117
02:42:53,680 --> 02:42:58,240
» Yeah. Let me just correct that. We've
not spent the dollar. It's illegal to

2118
02:42:56,479 --> 02:43:01,439
spend dollars CRA dollars outside of the
district. So, not a dollar of CRA funds

2119
02:42:59,920 --> 02:43:04,080
have gone anywhere outside of the
district.

2120
02:43:01,920 --> 02:43:09,280
» I know all of all what I'm talking about
is in the district. I know what the CRA

2121
02:43:06,560 --> 02:43:11,200
district from from Tit Street.
>> Yes. So, all the dollars have stayed

2122
02:43:10,640 --> 02:43:15,280
here.
>> Yeah, I know. Okay. I know where it go.

2123
02:43:13,120 --> 02:43:20,399
» Okay. Uh uh real quick when we come to
the meetings uh the CRA map it should

2124
02:43:18,640 --> 02:43:25,359
always be we should always have a map
here so everybody can just see the ones

2125
02:43:22,720 --> 02:43:29,680
who don't know the exact CRA zone that
map should be here so everybody can see

2126
02:43:27,920 --> 02:43:33,520
and when we talking about things that
have worked and things that didn't work.

2127
02:43:31,680 --> 02:43:39,120
Now I know we spent a whole lot of money
on a bike trail but can anybody tell me

2128
02:43:36,880 --> 02:43:44,240
what type of revenue it brought into the
city of Apopka?

2129
02:43:41,359 --> 02:43:49,600
Do anybody have any factual revenue or
what revenue say factual figures? What

2130
02:43:47,359 --> 02:43:54,560
money was brought into the city of Apaka
from the bike trail?

2131
02:43:53,040 --> 02:43:58,000
So that's what I'm saying. When we
spending money, let's look at how we

2132
02:43:56,319 --> 02:44:00,479
spending and what is the return for the
city. Thank you.

2133
02:43:58,960 --> 02:44:05,040
» Thank you, Mr. Hall.
>> Sir.

2134
02:44:01,760 --> 02:44:09,200
» All right, we'll close public comment.
>> We're closing public comment right now.

2135
02:44:08,000 --> 02:44:12,800
Thank you for the public for the
feedback

2136
02:44:10,720 --> 02:44:17,359
and the passion.
Uh members, any final comments,

2137
02:44:15,359 --> 02:44:22,000
adjustments, changes? Again, keep in
mind we will be able to pivot and meet

2138
02:44:20,240 --> 02:44:25,359
as often as we need to to make sure this
budget is changed to what to the benefit

2139
02:44:23,680 --> 02:44:29,600
of the residents and making sure that
this is maximizing taxpayer dollars

2140
02:44:27,359 --> 02:44:35,120
through the increase in uh property
values, taxable property values. So,

2141
02:44:32,560 --> 02:44:41,439
final comments, questions, concerns. The
only thing I would I would recommend is

2142
02:44:38,080 --> 02:44:49,279
um to visit what uh member Drago had
mentioned in terms of

2143
02:44:44,319 --> 02:44:54,080
um the funds that are remaining from the
plot of land that we were not going to

2144
02:44:51,520 --> 02:45:00,000
purchase for the restrooms for Alonzo
Williams, but also to add those

2145
02:44:57,760 --> 02:45:06,560
additional costs that he was discussing.
I think it came out to like 126,000

2146
02:45:03,760 --> 02:45:10,319
for for the sidewalks.
>> So that would come, you want to take

2147
02:45:08,160 --> 02:45:12,880
that out of the contingency, the
126,000.

2148
02:45:11,920 --> 02:45:16,160
» So
>> because they're already using the 299 to

2149
02:45:14,399 --> 02:45:19,520
move move already.
>> Yeah.

2150
02:45:16,560 --> 02:45:24,000
» 299 is going to the Alonzo Williams
restroom.

2151
02:45:20,399 --> 02:45:27,680
» Yeah. Just anything that we may have
left over,

2152
02:45:25,760 --> 02:45:30,880
» it would fall into the contingency.
>> Yeah. Whatever contingency, we use that

2153
02:45:30,080 --> 02:45:34,319
towards
>> take 126 out of contingency and put for

2154
02:45:33,200 --> 02:45:37,680
sidewalks. Okay.
>> And here's my only concern with that.

2155
02:45:35,680 --> 02:45:41,040
I'm fine with that. Not that I'm one,
but my point is

2156
02:45:39,439 --> 02:45:44,479
» we can throw into sidewalks and a
general sidewalk fund all day. Let's

2157
02:45:42,960 --> 02:45:46,960
start to prioritize this. Let's create a
list of what sidewalks so that action

2158
02:45:45,760 --> 02:45:48,960
starts to get done. I think that's
>> yes,

2159
02:45:47,840 --> 02:45:52,479
» that's what we really need to be doing
is making sure that these are we can

2160
02:45:50,560 --> 02:45:56,399
allocate funds all day, but it's getting
getting the uh the prioritization and

2161
02:45:54,240 --> 02:46:00,240
then a plan in place and timeline. So,
what may be beneficial too, and I'll

2162
02:45:58,240 --> 02:46:04,319
work with staff to do this, is once this
is approved, really back into timelines

2163
02:46:02,560 --> 02:46:07,600
of what this looks like, have ownership
in it, and uh we'll be able to provide

2164
02:46:06,399 --> 02:46:10,399
updates from there of what this actually
looks like because some of this, to be

2165
02:46:09,200 --> 02:46:13,040
very honest, some of this stuff will not
be able to get done this fiscal year. It

2166
02:46:12,000 --> 02:46:16,720
just won't with staffing. Even though
we've allocated it, staffing won't

2167
02:46:14,960 --> 02:46:19,840
staffing time just won't allow it. So,
let's have a real conversation what that

2168
02:46:18,160 --> 02:46:23,680
looks like and what we can accomplish so
that residents and this board's

2169
02:46:21,359 --> 02:46:29,200
expectations are set properly. And I
guess my other question is um is the

2170
02:46:26,479 --> 02:46:32,720
redevelopment plan online for the public
to see?

2171
02:46:30,479 --> 02:46:35,760
» Yes, it's required. It must be online.
>> Okay. Just want to make sure.

2172
02:46:34,640 --> 02:46:41,760
» Any final comments?
>> The CRA maps on there, too.

2173
02:46:40,479 --> 02:46:46,479
» The map is included. Okay.
>> I know I but I carry this. So, with

2174
02:46:44,080 --> 02:46:48,880
every time I copy, I carry this.
>> All right. All right. Well, I'll look

2175
02:46:47,359 --> 02:46:53,760
for a motion to approve resolution
number 2026-02

2176
02:46:51,520 --> 02:46:55,279
with the adjustments that were made by
members.

2177
02:46:54,640 --> 02:46:59,920
» So moved.
>> Moved by member Drago. Second by member

2178
02:46:58,000 --> 02:47:02,271
Anderson. All those in favor say I.
>> I.

2179
02:47:00,240 --> 02:47:04,880
» All opposed. Motion carries unanimously.
[clears throat]

2180
02:47:02,800 --> 02:47:08,000
» And as usual, I'll make the appropriate
changes and send it out to the um

2181
02:47:07,439 --> 02:47:11,479
committee.
>> Thank you.

2182
02:47:08,319 --> 02:47:11,479
» Thank you.

2183
02:47:11,920 --> 02:47:20,120
» Please. Thank you. Uh next up, uh we're
going through a staff report of design

2184
02:47:17,120 --> 02:47:20,120
standards.

2185
02:47:24,080 --> 02:47:28,040
» Come in. Thank you.

2186
02:47:28,479 --> 02:47:32,240
Bear with me here. We're getting used to
our

2187
02:47:30,640 --> 02:47:34,640
» Yeah, she's working on it over here.
>> As hard as she's got it.

2188
02:47:34,000 --> 02:47:38,960
» Okay,
>> quicker. No, I'm kidding.

2189
02:47:36,479 --> 02:47:44,000
So, while she's while she's doing that,
um, so we added the staff report section

2190
02:47:41,680 --> 02:47:47,120
to the CRA meetings just for future to
update you on anything that's been

2191
02:47:45,439 --> 02:47:52,560
outstanding. And it was referenced
during uh a few CRA meetings ago about

2192
02:47:50,479 --> 02:47:57,920
establishing a form of design standards
with our assistance programs or any

2193
02:47:54,640 --> 02:48:03,359
future assistance programs we we have.
So, we went back and and kind of talked

2194
02:48:00,720 --> 02:48:08,080
it over um with community development of
what that would look like, including a

2195
02:48:05,120 --> 02:48:15,040
color palette, and realized that it was
a lot more involved um than we thought

2196
02:48:11,920 --> 02:48:20,720
it was going to be. And so, we're also
going um at the simultaneously

2197
02:48:17,600 --> 02:48:25,120
attempting to update our master plan.
So, our master plan's not been updated

2198
02:48:22,319 --> 02:48:30,000
since 2017. best practices say they
should be updated every five to six

2199
02:48:27,200 --> 02:48:33,840
years. Um we have also updated the
county that is our intention to update

2200
02:48:31,600 --> 02:48:38,479
our master plan as well because as we
come up with new programs um or projects

2201
02:48:36,800 --> 02:48:42,640
it has to be included in our master plan
that is that is a requirement and so we

2202
02:48:41,120 --> 02:48:48,720
want to make sure that we are doing
everything that is um in line um and

2203
02:48:46,319 --> 02:48:52,960
transparent. So there's a whole kind of
memo that talks about the process, but

2204
02:48:50,479 --> 02:48:58,319
the basic suggestion is that we would
update the design standards along with

2205
02:48:55,680 --> 02:49:02,960
the master plan update simultaneously.
That way we maximize the consultant that

2206
02:49:00,640 --> 02:49:08,640
we use. We've already been working with
our um the finance department through

2207
02:49:04,800 --> 02:49:13,439
the procurement division. Um so we have
established that scope of work. um it is

2208
02:49:10,960 --> 02:49:19,120
going through the process now that are
ideally we'd like to have that out on

2209
02:49:15,359 --> 02:49:23,840
the street and be ready um to start the
beginning or near the beginning of the

2210
02:49:21,040 --> 02:49:27,680
fiscal year. That is the intention. So I
just wanted to provide the board an

2211
02:49:25,200 --> 02:49:34,240
update as far as that's concerned. And
then I also wanted to let you know that

2212
02:49:30,720 --> 02:49:37,920
um uh the FRA has established uh
redevelopment week. This is the first

2213
02:49:35,840 --> 02:49:42,080
time they've done it. Um, for those who
are unaware, I am on the FRA board and

2214
02:49:40,399 --> 02:49:45,680
so this is their first year that they
have come up with a redevelopment week

2215
02:49:43,520 --> 02:49:49,840
for the purpose that CRAAS every couple
years seem to come under attack and this

2216
02:49:47,760 --> 02:49:53,279
is an opportunity to showcase some of
the work that they've done. So

2217
02:49:51,120 --> 02:49:57,920
redevelopment week is September 14th
through the 18th. We have scheduled a

2218
02:49:55,279 --> 02:50:03,439
proclamation to be done um um at a
future city commission meeting.

2219
02:50:01,120 --> 02:50:07,920
Um, and then we'll also be working with
our communications department to help us

2220
02:50:06,160 --> 02:50:12,880
um, market some of the work that we've
been doing. And then I also wanted to

2221
02:50:10,080 --> 02:50:20,560
update you as far as the rewrap program.
We have 20 homes that have been

2222
02:50:15,680 --> 02:50:24,560
completed as well as um, funded. I have
seven invoices, not including those 20

2223
02:50:22,960 --> 02:50:30,000
that are sitting on my desk right now
um, to be processed. So in total that

2224
02:50:26,880 --> 02:50:34,080
would be 27 homes out of the 35 um that
have been completed to date.

2225
02:50:32,960 --> 02:50:39,359
» Excellent.
>> And lastly, if you are interested in the

2226
02:50:36,960 --> 02:50:45,120
FRA conference, it's in Charlotte Harbor
this year. The dates are October 20th

2227
02:50:41,600 --> 02:50:48,800
through the 23rd. Um I will be
presenting um this year. We'll be

2228
02:50:47,200 --> 02:50:52,640
partnering with the city of Barto to
talk about uh small business

2229
02:50:50,240 --> 02:50:56,960
redevelopment. Um, but if you are
interested or you're interested in any

2230
02:50:54,000 --> 02:51:00,720
sort of classes, um, uh, I can
definitely help you with that. I made a

2231
02:50:58,880 --> 02:51:04,640
note that I will set up accounts for
each one of you. So, you will be

2232
02:51:02,080 --> 02:51:07,120
included in future FRA newsletters where
they showcase projects that other CRAAS

2233
02:51:06,640 --> 02:51:10,160
are doing.
>> Is it grants for that? Do they have

2234
02:51:08,640 --> 02:51:12,800
grants? I know some Do they have grants
for us to attend?

2235
02:51:12,399 --> 02:51:15,120
» Oh,
>> they do not.

2236
02:51:13,760 --> 02:51:19,439
» Probably not going in. Okay.
>> They do not at the conference. Can I

2237
02:51:17,279 --> 02:51:24,080
will it be online?
>> So, they have started doing

2238
02:51:22,399 --> 02:51:28,000
they have started doing their through
their academy some professional

2239
02:51:25,279 --> 02:51:32,960
development that they do online. So our
attorney Cliff Sheffer is also the FRA

2240
02:51:30,720 --> 02:51:37,359
uh attorney. He offered one on CRA dos
and don'ts that was free. It was

2241
02:51:34,399 --> 02:51:41,359
recorded. I know I sent it to um to one
of two of you that weren't able to

2242
02:51:38,960 --> 02:51:45,040
attend. Um so those courses they have
been offering for free for their

2243
02:51:43,040 --> 02:51:50,880
academy. Those are not free. I think
they're like $4.95. Um, we I did put in

2244
02:51:48,000 --> 02:51:55,439
actually the future FY2627
budget some classes for staff because I

2245
02:51:53,680 --> 02:51:59,600
have inherited staff um and they do need
to be trained on what what it is in

2246
02:51:57,279 --> 02:52:02,479
terms of uh redevelopment and dos and
don'ts. So that is something that we're

2247
02:52:00,720 --> 02:52:06,640
doing as far as future planning and
capacity building. Um so all of this is

2248
02:52:04,800 --> 02:52:10,640
just kind offormational purposes so that
you are aware if you're unable to attend

2249
02:52:08,800 --> 02:52:13,760
I'll be more than willing to sit with
any one of you and we can kind of drill

2250
02:52:12,160 --> 02:52:16,560
down on some things that you may have
questions about.

2251
02:52:15,439 --> 02:52:20,319
» Awesome.
Thank you for the update. Any final

2252
02:52:17,920 --> 02:52:24,160
comments from board members? U
>> the memo [clears throat] that was

2253
02:52:21,439 --> 02:52:29,840
submitted um
on the design standards altruistically I

2254
02:52:26,720 --> 02:52:34,880
agree with it. What I
didn't see

2255
02:52:31,920 --> 02:52:40,160
was the uh which I hope would be
included when you find a a consultant

2256
02:52:38,240 --> 02:52:44,399
that a visioning process would be done
first for the residents and the

2257
02:52:42,080 --> 02:52:50,479
businesses to have input and then that
input gets translated into a set of

2258
02:52:46,560 --> 02:52:57,040
development codes without loopholes
without loopholes. Secondly,

2259
02:52:53,920 --> 02:53:02,160
um it's been the city's practice that if
they hire a consultant to come in and do

2260
02:53:00,080 --> 02:53:07,600
these design standards, codes, and
whatever, they accept the same

2261
02:53:05,600 --> 02:53:12,080
consultant to work for the private
sector to represent the private sector

2262
02:53:10,080 --> 02:53:15,920
relative to the city on the same codes
they designed. I consider that to be a

2263
02:53:14,319 --> 02:53:19,439
conflict of interest. So, whatever
consultant you hire, they get a choice.

2264
02:53:18,000 --> 02:53:23,520
Either work for us or work for the
private sector. You can't have it both

2265
02:53:21,200 --> 02:53:23,520
ways.

2266
02:53:24,080 --> 02:53:34,120
And Mr. Chair, um, is the business
retention and expansion program still

2267
02:53:31,120 --> 02:53:34,120
valid?

2268
02:53:34,399 --> 02:53:39,600
» Forbes.
>> Can you be a little more specific? What

2269
02:53:37,760 --> 02:53:45,040
BRE program under the CRA are you
referring to?

2270
02:53:41,680 --> 02:53:49,279
» Couple of meetings ago, I asked about a
a program that your former predecessor

2271
02:53:47,600 --> 02:53:54,000
developed which was known as economic
gardening. She named it business

2272
02:53:51,600 --> 02:53:58,960
retention and expansion program. The
former mayor said he would get with you

2273
02:53:55,840 --> 02:54:03,279
to go over the program. So is it still
valid? Still not just economic

2274
02:54:01,680 --> 02:54:06,240
gardening. I I do remember you asking
that question. I spoke to my former

2275
02:54:04,640 --> 02:54:11,680
predecessor and she confirmed that there
was no formal program that was created.

2276
02:54:09,279 --> 02:54:15,680
We do practice BR or business retention
and expansion. There are several

2277
02:54:13,359 --> 02:54:18,560
components to it. Um, one of the things
off the top that we've been doing is a

2278
02:54:17,359 --> 02:54:20,960
business survey because it's very
difficult to create programs for

2279
02:54:19,600 --> 02:54:24,240
businesses if we don't speak directly to
our businesses and find out what their

2280
02:54:22,160 --> 02:54:29,840
needs are. One of the roadblocks we've
been hitting is participation from our

2281
02:54:26,000 --> 02:54:35,040
businesses. So, I would say February of
this year, January, February, we sent

2282
02:54:32,479 --> 02:54:39,840
out this survey. Um, to date, we've
gotten about 28 responses,

2283
02:54:38,080 --> 02:54:43,200
just to be to be clear. So that is
something again I will work with our

2284
02:54:40,960 --> 02:54:47,200
communications team to see how we can um
better market that survey because that

2285
02:54:45,359 --> 02:54:50,560
helps us formulate programming that we
know our businesses want to participate

2286
02:54:48,560 --> 02:54:54,240
in. Another thing that we've been doing
is BR visits and I apologize if I keep

2287
02:54:52,640 --> 02:54:57,520
using acronyms. Business retention
expansion visits. That's where we go and

2288
02:54:55,760 --> 02:55:00,720
meet directly one-on-one with businesses
and we find out how we can offer

2289
02:54:59,040 --> 02:55:04,399
assistance. So to date I think we've
done about 20 or so. I've also been

2290
02:55:02,800 --> 02:55:07,760
onboarding staff at the same time. So
they shadow me to see what that looks

2291
02:55:05,840 --> 02:55:10,399
like where business everything is on the
table of how we can help you as a

2292
02:55:09,120 --> 02:55:15,520
business. So if you have workforce
needs, if you have issues um with uh uh

2293
02:55:13,920 --> 02:55:19,359
financial analysis, if you have issues
of how to market, how to get uh future

2294
02:55:17,520 --> 02:55:24,000
customers, we discuss all those things
and then we connect them with resources

2295
02:55:21,200 --> 02:55:28,240
that are free or minimal cost and show
them how they are able to um move

2296
02:55:26,800 --> 02:55:32,560
forward and then we follow up with them
months later to see how how progress has

2297
02:55:30,240 --> 02:55:37,040
been done. So we are starting the
process of our BRE program. The growth

2298
02:55:35,040 --> 02:55:40,319
is incremental because we again we first
need to do those foundational steps of

2299
02:55:38,800 --> 02:55:46,080
finding out what our businesses need. So
then we can track as we go on to see

2300
02:55:42,399 --> 02:55:50,160
were we able to offer assistance.
>> Okay. So the newspaper reports then were

2301
02:55:48,319 --> 02:55:56,399
erroneous about the business retention
and expansion program. Um I'm a

2302
02:55:53,200 --> 02:56:00,720
proponent that some properties in a city
CRA needs to be targeted for

2303
02:55:58,000 --> 02:56:04,439
improvement. So my question is, is Davis
Court in the CRA?

2304
02:56:04,616 --> 02:56:08,640
[clears throat]
>> Do you have an address of Davis Court?

2305
02:56:06,880 --> 02:56:14,399
» Anybody that wants to answer?
>> Nobody has those memorized. 600 plus

2306
02:56:10,800 --> 02:56:17,920
acres. Not sure we have that memorized.
>> What was the question?

2307
02:56:15,840 --> 02:56:20,640
» Davis Court. It's right on It's right
past the railroad tracks.

2308
02:56:19,120 --> 02:56:22,479
» I assume you know the answer. So let's
get to the end of this.

2309
02:56:21,600 --> 02:56:27,680
» All right. So
>> where is Davis Court? When you go by

2310
02:56:24,720 --> 02:56:32,319
that facility,
that one needs some major improvement

2311
02:56:30,800 --> 02:56:37,040
because if you didn't know it was in the
city of Apakka, you would assume it's in

2312
02:56:34,800 --> 02:56:44,000
a foreign country. And those people
should have be afforded the uh privilege

2313
02:56:41,680 --> 02:56:48,439
of having their properties improved in
order to make their quality of life

2314
02:56:45,439 --> 02:56:48,439
better.

2315
02:56:48,960 --> 02:56:56,640
So, we have printed out door hangers
with um the available CRA assistance

2316
02:56:54,399 --> 02:56:59,840
programs that have been approved. We are
working with our code compliance

2317
02:56:58,319 --> 02:57:03,520
department and we've asked them as they
go out and see properties that are in

2318
02:57:01,439 --> 02:57:06,880
need of assistance that they hang those
door hangers up and hoping to get more

2319
02:57:05,680 --> 02:57:11,760
interest in some of the programs that we
have available.

2320
02:57:09,439 --> 02:57:18,160
» Thank you. Any other final comments,
questions, concerns?

2321
02:57:15,120 --> 02:57:23,720
If not, I'm going to close.
All right, we're adjourning. It's

2322
02:57:19,600 --> 02:57:23,720
happening. We're done.