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Okay, we're going to call this meeting to order September 16th, 2026, plan and commission, calling it to order at 604, roll call, please.

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Commissioner Eris.

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Commissioner Pombianco.

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Here.

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Chairman Calen.

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And Chairman Lanyan and Vice Chair Tensley are absent.

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Thank you.

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Commissioner Pombianco, would you lead us in the pledge of allegiance, please?

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Thank

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you.

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Okay.

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Good evening everybody. Thank you for coming to the meeting. Public participating

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at the meeting is invited to comment on any items on the agenda or during public comments.

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Please complete a request to speak card and give it to the Commission Secretary down there.

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In accordance with Planning Commission resolution 2005-005 comments shall be limited to no

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more than 3 minutes per speaker. I am going to enforce this tonight since we have so many

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speakers. Anyone wishing to address an item not on the agenda or an item that is not scheduled

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for public hearing at this meeting may do so. California law does not allow the commission

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to act on those items that are not on the agenda except in very limited circumstances. Your

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concerns may be referred to staff or a place on a future agenda. So I'm going to go ahead

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and call for public comments. Things that are not on the agenda, if you got something on

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mind. Go ahead and speak. I think we have one that's under public comments. Oh, man,

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this is hard to read. Looks like Kimba Houston,

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you're on the agenda item. It's Linda.

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Okay. Thank you. Okay. So she's with the rest of the cards that I have. Anybody want to

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talk about any topics that are not on the agenda? Okay. Seeing nobody jump up, we're going

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go ahead and move on.

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Our first item is the approval of the minutes.

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So you guys get a chance to look at the minutes?

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Make a motion to approve.

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All seconds.

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OK, we've got a motion a second.

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All in favor?

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All right.

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OK, public hearing items.

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We're going to go to the condition of use permit, 2026-001.

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It's continued to October 7.

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So this one item that we have item number

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five is continue to October 7th, development permit 2026-008, so do we need to do anything

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with this?

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You can make a motion to continue.

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Excuse me, Chair, if there is anyone here that would like to speak to the item, you should

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allow them to provide.

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Okay. Anybody here to speak to item number 5, the first public hearing item, CUP 2026-001? Nobody?

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Somebody want to move to continue that item, October 7th?

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There's no public comment cards for that one. There's no comment cards.

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No. Yeah, I'll make a motion to table in that thing what we've done.

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We're continuing it.

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Okay, development permit 2020-26-008, we're going to open up the public hearing at 608 with Giovanni Sogato.

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Good evening, Chairman and commissioners.

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This project is a request for approval of a development permit for a high increase of a proposed garage slash shop totaling 1,584 square feet.

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for the property owner, Cody Mead.

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The project sign is located at 10802 Cochidi Road

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and consists of a 0.44 acre lot

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and an existing 13-foot high 2112 square foot

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single family residents.

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Within the question of residential zoning district,

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the project sign is also surrounded

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by single family residences.

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The site, the proposed garage slash shop

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will be located on the northern portion

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of the parcel within the rear yard and will comply with the minimum required side

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development standards of 10-foot rear and side setbacks, 10-foot rear dedicated

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easement, 30% lock-overage, and a six-foot separation distance between primary and

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accessory structure.

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The size, the shop slash garage proposes a total square footage

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of 1,584 square feet, exactly 75% of the primary structure's total square

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footage of 2,100 and 12 square foot and is in compliance with the maximum allowable square

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footage, a lot of by the development code and as identified in page 4 regarding size of the

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staff report.

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The height, the shop slash garage proposes a total height of 22 feet at the ridge, exceeding

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the maximum height of the existing primary dwelling of 13 feet and or 16 feet whichever

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is less, as allowed for accessory structures by the development code for lots of zoned as

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Equestrian residential and as identified with in page 4 of the Sanford port regarding height.

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The visibility of the ninth height difference of the proposed garage flash shop from the

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right-of-ways line of sign-off could coachy road and Nambi road is reduced through the architectural

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compatibility and the use of Stucco exterior walls painted blue gray, wood-facious painted

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white, asphalt shingles, which use a mountain-site color, incorporating various shades of gray,

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and a gable to roof line that matches the primary structure as close as possible, and

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is in compliance with the architectural standards of the development code.

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Staff recommends that the Planning Commission moves Staff's recommendation as provided in

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the staff report.

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This concludes Staff's presentation.

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Staff is available to answer any questions, and the applicant is also present and would like

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address the commission.

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OK, thank you.

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Questions and staff?

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So the question I have is, in the staff report,

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it's asking for six feet above what the development code

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allows,

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is there any exciting circumstances

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that this needs to happen?

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Or are we just saying we want it done that way?

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So I will go ahead and defer that question

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to the property owner and property owner.

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I'm not ready for the property owner yet.

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Okay, the other question I have, the staff report that we were given has a lot of photos

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of the existing house and I'm assuming they already, if they haven't poured the slab yet,

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they're already getting ready to their forms there, everything's ready to go.

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So did this come in later, is it something that came in after the fact there was no permit

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poll?

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Is that the reason?

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So that's a good question and thank you for the question.

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the structure was identified through plan check. It went through the appropriate channels of building

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permitting and the 22 foot height difference and door proposed height was identified by planning

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staff and notified the applicant that a development permit would be required. No construction has

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happened on site, it's just site work and prep. Okay, so we have a lot of pictures. Only one that I

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normally, and I go back a long ways in this planning commission, we get a lot of photographs

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that show us what we're going to look at, and, essentially, or what it's going to be.

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We just have one.

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The other thing that we've got in our package is the diagram that I assume was done by the

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applicant.

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It's not to scale at all.

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I mean, it's not even close.

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It was received and accepted.

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So I don't know if anybody's noticing these things, but at least in my opinion, the staff report

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and what we have in front of it is incomplete for me

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to make any decisions on this one.

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I appreciate the fact that the applicant's here,

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but we need a better staff report to be blunt.

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I don't know what you guys think.

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You took a look at it.

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You guys can chime in if you want,

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but that's just my impression.

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Yeah, I mean, for me, I mean, again,

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it built the construction homes.

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I built RV grudges on the new construction homes.

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You know, my question that I was going back and forth with,

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Because usually it's a 16-foot max-height on a detached garage and it's 22-foot on an attached RV garage.

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So, when I looked at this, I was just going, okay, well, you know, we got...

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What was the purpose of the 16-foot? Obviously none of us were none of the planning stuff.

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What's here to make those decisions when they came up with that 16-foot detached and 22-foot attached?

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So, to me, as a builder, it never made sense to me, either.

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I don't have a problem with that 22-foot, personally, I feel like I am equipped to make a decision

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on this thing.

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But again, there's only three of us, so that's the problem here too, as we don't have the full

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five planning commissioners either, so I don't know where we go from here.

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My only question is, am I all confused, is this an attached garage or a detached garage?

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because it looks like from the pictures, it's detached.

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Correct. Yes, and it's a stated on the staff report under the site analysis that is detached.

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All right. Yes. So it is a detached garage.

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And the big question is whether or not we want to allow the 22-foot elevation for the garage.

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Right. Okay. So that would be something I would want to hear from the applicant to see what the reasoning is to be that far over what's allowed.

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But we're going to go ahead and move forward and talk to the applicant.

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We'll go ahead and if you would take the podium please.

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Please let us know who you are.

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My name is Ron Meade, I'm a general builder here. I'm just a small guy in the big town here. I appreciate

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you guys taking the time to listen to us. This is my son, where he lives right around the corner

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for me. Purpose of the depot, the detached garage that that height is because he has bought a motor

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home for him and his family to enjoy. As we all know, the height of a standard motor home with the AC

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and that will not fit in a standard 10 foot high garage. You can't fit a door over 10 foot. So that's

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So we'd purpose of why we would like to have these 16-foot garage, you know, the height

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of the walls in order to be able to get a 14-foot door and order to put the motor home in,

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as far as the construction, the construction was not started until after I had the pre-site inspection

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done, once they come out, they looked, they assumed that it would not be a problem to proceed.

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So as I normally do, I'm waiting for all my permits and that to come back, I go ahead,

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I break ground, I get everything ready.

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Once it went through the appropriate steps over here for the building of safety, it was shifted

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planning, planning, then determined that the height, I needed to apply for a special permit.

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That's why we're here to see you guys there, but no penalties, no red tag, no nothing

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it started until after we had filed here pre-site inspection.

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So back to the question, why we're asking is simply to put my son's motor home in

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to get it out of the weather?

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jump attack is investment. Simple as that for us. So again back to the one right behind my house

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did the same thing. So they're 14 foot plate, 14 foot 14 foot 14 foot, 14 foot top plate for the

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RV garage and then the roof pitch is a very shallow roof pitch right two feet higher so to meet that

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16 foot. So the 14 foot is relevant and it is you know it will hold almost every any coach

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that you have even with what the unit on top with all the

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ACs and everything on top.

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So, again, to achieve that being able to park an RV of any size in there,

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the 14 foot plate with a 16 foot peak elevation peak should be sufficient.

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Well, you only have his motorhome up to the top.

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I mean, if you put a 16 foot opening with the proper size header in that there,

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you don't have a full 14 foot opening.

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I mean it's very very well again because which I think but you're talking about is what they

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I don't we plan to put in a roll up garage door in there. Yeah, I'd be able to see a roll up

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And that's what the and that's what these guys are going to the full track door

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Okay, and they're able to make that clearance happen. I'm not saying that's the way you should go

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I'm just saying if we're talking about why you're trying to get the extra foot in there to get the extra two feet of height

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Very easy without having to go through this thing, but again, you know we're gonna hatch all this out here

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If that's a solution, if we need to shrink the walls down to 14 and make the peak at 16,

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if you feel that we can get it in there and that standard, I have no opposition to that.

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But we would like to go to the 16 since we've already done it, if you guys get out of those two that.

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Yeah, I'll get it.

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Well, I think, and of course, I'll have comments afterwards, we're not against the height.

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We've done it before we've given variances, we've given other heights.

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So it's not, it's not really the problem, it's just normally like when the lot drops down,

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And you wind up with a higher height, the image of the house and the garage makes more sense.

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So we do allow a higher, in this case it's all about the same grade.

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So, you know, the problem we have is we have a development code that clearly states what we're willing to do as a town.

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And a lot of people have done it and done it fine.

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We've had a lot of people come in with RV garages, they meet the height requirement, it's not a problem.

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So the problem I have is if we say yes, like staff wants us to do as far as a recommended

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approval, then we're sending a precedent for all kinds of people to come in and say,

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well, I want my garage to be 22 feet or 25 feet or I mean, where does it end?

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So that's the problem.

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So did anybody tell you when you went in on your permit, the code as far as the height of

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the garage?

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Yes, well, no.

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I didn't know when I went in when I originally put everything to plan in, went through

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the building safety.

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But you showed him your plans.

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Yeah, we didn't realize that until the win over into the planning department, and then on their second round, they had a coffee height.

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That's where the height was caught.

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So in the right at the end of our street, we have another gentleman that has a detached garage.

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Same thing. He's got the 16 foot walls with the peak.

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I submit a pictures of that.

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We've got another one of street over from us.

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That's the same thing.

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It's the detached. It's 16 foot walls.

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So I submitted all that stuff into here.

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Yeah. Like I said, I don't think any of us up here against it.

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Okay.

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It's just we got to do this the right way.

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And they're usually as a reason other than you just want it that way.

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Yeah, well, no, the reason is definitely I would like to protect his $60,000 investment

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put it indoors.

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What I think we've kind of identified is maybe a potential flaw in the code, where if the

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council decides, you know, that we need to change the development code to meet these bigger

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motorhomes that have air condition on top, then maybe our code is out of whack, but in

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time we've kind of got to do our job on this end. So all the conditions is staff

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gave you your good with everything. Okay. Anybody else you got any more questions

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form? That was excellent. Okay. Go ahead.

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We're just to clarify, your walls are going to be 16 foot.

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The peak will be 22. Sorry. Sorry about that.

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So the peak could be 22. Yes. Because you're going to have a gable end.

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Yes, all right, which is under the height of 35 feet in that area, right, the maximum of 35 feet in that area, so it's under it.

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I understand what you're saying because because you need 16 foot and because of your head or requirement for your garage door opening, you have to make your peak appropriately from that top of that wall.

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Yes sir.

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Top plate.

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Thank you.

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I'm assuming you did this.

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I guess.

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for the town.

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Yes, and I'm sorry my apologies.

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I'm just a small guy.

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I'm not talented enough to do skill drawings.

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I've been doing it this way for 20 years.

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I've never had a problem.

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Well, it's, yeah, I mean, it's fine.

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It's, it's not really you, but when we're talking about sizes and heights and setbacks and everything to give any kind of a variance to whatever our code is, then it'd be good to have it to scale.

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Because the first thing I did was look at it and I thought, well, I don't know which planner got this, but that would have been my question or comment to you is to get it right.

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My apologies.

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I just a big ZMS to bedroom.

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Yeah.

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I asked if we're giving this on that.

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My apologies.

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Thanks accepted this time.

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If you can, it will go from there on the next one.

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Okay.

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So anybody else?

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You're good.

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So we're going to go ahead and call for public comments.

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We're good.

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We're good with you.

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Thanks for everything.

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Thank you.

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Anybody I don't have any goal cards on this particular item is anybody want to comment on this

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You can if you want to come up to the podium

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Okay, nobody's doing that. So we're gonna go ahead. I've already asked a fee agreed

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And he's agreed to the condition as a approval. So we're gonna close the public hearing at

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622 and

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Commission discussion talk about it

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What you guys want to do?

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Yeah, I said my piece like I said I'm I'm totally fine with it. It's uh, it's something that I've thought about too

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got sold one right on the corner same thing the guys going forward and going to put a

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detached grudge and I'm sure he's going to be asking for 22 feet now too.

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So I think

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Exense, I don't think it looks bad, especially when the peak is already pretty close to that.

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Anyway, the peak of this house is probably 20-ish feet.

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So, like I said, I don't have a problem with it.

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Quick question for staff, I guess, David, you could probably answer.

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Did we not get any, we've got no responses from neighbors?

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Well, now we did receive one public comment on this item.

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Why don't we, has that been provided to the commission here?

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I don't think so. Unless I'm overlooking it.

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If I may ask if Mr. Salgado can step back up,

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he has a copy of the public comment that came through.

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If you don't mind just walk in as through with some of those comments were,

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and provide a response to how the project and the code,

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you know, comply with the proposal before us tonight.

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Of course, give me one moment.

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Okay, so the comment made by a neighboring adjacent home expressed concern about height,

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visibility, architectural compatibility, neighborhood compatibility.

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That's all addressed in the staff report with the colors, the matching architecture of roof peaks,

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similar gable roof types, lighting was an issue as well that she brought up as well as noise

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impacts, there's provisions in the conditions of approval that essentially hold it to the

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performance centers for noise and lighting. So everything is at least regulated by the code.

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The other concern the individual had was a potential use for non-residential uses, which

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commercial use of a shop for automotive. There's also a provision in the conditions of approval

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prohibiting that and limiting it to the uses for a Home Occupation under development code

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1919.

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There was additional comments with drainage and runoff and for that I will defer to engineering

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and or grading plan as they requested information that as well. Everything else seems to be covered

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by the staff report, the only other thing was the financial aspect in case the larger structure

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impacted that.

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We don't make any comments on financial aspects.

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So this was then, this is a neighbor within 300 feet.

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Yes, the property slightly adjacent next to our neighbor to the west.

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So you mentioned engineering issues and drainage issues and that we're those addressed.

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I don't know that they're in the staff report.

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You said you referred it to the town engineer?

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Yes, so any questions I will defer to the town engineer,

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but there were no comments provided,

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there were no comments needed for this lot.

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Okay, and then my only question is,

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you mentioned this, I'm really having a hard time

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with, to be honest.

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You mentioned that the color combination

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and the compatibility with the one next door

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takes care of the height problem, correct?

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I don't know how you get to that conclusion.

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So the visibility from both right of ways,

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the architectural compatibility of the roof line

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and the similar architectural style allows it to sit a little bit

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further back as well, just by the setback.

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So at least it'll be compatible enough

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with existing neighborhood if that answers your question.

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OK.

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I'd like to share a chair, Carolyn.

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So the comment that he mentioned arrived.

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I received it by email 30 minutes before the meeting.

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This is the one that he summarized.

326
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Okay. However, he provided a very brief summary and he also commented on that as he was ready to get my preference would be that he read the the public comment just to ensure that

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That you have received that and it's part of the record of the city. Okay. Absolutely. Yeah, kind of put your microphone where we can clear you.

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Okay.

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So dear town of Upper Valley planning commission. I am writing to formally express my strong opposition to the development permit

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DP-2026-008, concerning the proposed 22-foot tall,

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detached residential shop slash garage at 108-03 Cochidi Road.

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I am the next one neighbor to the subject property, and as one of the residents who will be most directly impacted by this proposed development,

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I respectfully request the Planning Commission carefully consider the significant effects that structure of this high and scale could have on my property,

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privacy, my enjoyment of my home and the overall character of our neighborhood.

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My primary concern is that the proposed height of 22 feet, a detached accessory of this

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magnitude, has the potential to substantially alter the residential character and the

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visual appearance of the immediate area.

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The scale and high of the proposed building appear excessive for an accessible residential

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shop or garage, particularly viewed when viewed from directly adjoining residential properties.

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I purchased and maintain my property within reasonable expectation that the surrounding

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neighborhood would retain its established residential appearance and scale.

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The introduction of a 22-foot detached structure immediate legislation to my property could

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create an imposing visual presence that is inconsistent with the existing neighborhood aesthetic.

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I respectfully asked the commission to consider the following concerns.

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Neighborhood compatibility and aesthetics, a 22-foot garage, a 22-foot detached garage,

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slash shop, maybe visible, or visually disproportionate to surrounding residential

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structures and accessory buildings.

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Allowing the structure of this site, size could negatively alter the appearance, openness,

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and established character of the neighborhood.

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Visual mass and scale, high alone does not fully describe the impact of the building,

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the commission should consider the total dimensions roof design wall height square footage

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setbacks and overall building mass. A large structure located near a neighboring property

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line can feel significantly more intrusive than it is numerical height may suggest.

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Laws of privacy as the immediate adjacent neighbor I am especially concerned about the height of the structure

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may affect privacy within my home.

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backyard and other outdoor areas.

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Any elevated openings windows doors loft areas, second storage areas, or other features

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could potentially create direct line sight lines onto neighboring residential property.

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Reduction of open residential character.

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One of the qualities of residential neighborhood is the sense of openness between properties.

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A structure reaching 22 feet could create a wall light feel and substantially change the

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feeling of the neighborhood outdoor environment.

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Sunlight and shadow impacts,

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depending on the location orientation of the proposed building.

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A structure of this height could create additional shading

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on my property during the portions of the day

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and throughout this different seasons.

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I respectfully request that potential shadow.

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Thato impacts on adjoining properties be evaluated. Lighting impacts. I am concerned about exterior lighting associated with the large shop or garage, security lighting, flood lights, wall mounted fixtures and lighting above large garage, doors could potentially shine onto adjacent properties or create night time glare. Any approval should thoroughly address light spill and require shielding away from neighbouring homes.

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noise impacts. 80 test shop slash garage can potentially generate considerably more active

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activity than a conventional residential garage. Power tools, compressors, equipment, vehicles,

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mechanical systems, garage doors, generators or other activities could create additional

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noise immediately adjacent to the neighboring residences. I would like to keep it to three

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minutes if you could quickly summarize the repeating page. Thank you.

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Okay.

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For future use of the structure, I respectfully request clarification regarding exactly

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what activities will be permitted within the proposed slash garage. Consider whether the

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sizing configuration of the building could facilitate activities beyond ordinary residential

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storage parking that could negative impact a joint residences. Potential or intensive use,

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while I'm not alleging that the applicant tends to operate a business, I believe the town should

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ensure that a building of the size is not used for future in a manner that creates commercial

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traffic, employee activity, customer visits, excessive vehicle storage, repair operations,

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or other users in consistent with the residential nature of this neighborhood. Vehicle equipment

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activity, a large detached shop could potentially accommodate multiple vehicles, recreational

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vehicles trailers, machinery or other equipment resulting vehicle movements, loading, unloading,

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engine noise and activities should be considered when evaluating compatibility.

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It's worth it.

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It's worth it.

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I think we get the idea.

390
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Yeah.

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Okay.

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He's opposed to it.

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Never as opposed to it.

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Okay.

395
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We still have time.

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Mr. Chair.

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Two things I noticed going back and looking at the plan that was drawn.

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That's a little bit of concern to mind.

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Number one is the square footage and the fact that there's two bay.

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And the one that really jumps out at me is a 400 amp panel.

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So on your drying, you said new shop garage, and you have a 400 amp panel, which is not

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necessary to park the motor home.

403
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So that tells me that there's going to be more to this.

404
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Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

405
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We should have discussion back at 4th floor going, Tom.

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So that is a different definite concern of mine also, is not only the height, but the fact

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So we're looking at adding a 400 amp panel and it's not only a garage but it's a shop, so that's my comment.

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David, you got something?

409
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Yeah, if you're under a commission comments right now, but if you want to open the public hearing again and have a response to your question, I suggest you do so.

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And I think I respond to that neighbor's concern.

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So we're going to go ahead and open up the public hearing again at 633.

412
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Thank you, and we're going to go ahead and have the applicant go up again to talk about

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those items.

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Once again, I'm very sorry I labeled it, shop slash garage.

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The most guys, if you say shop, you said garage is like, so that was totally my fault.

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All the reason that we were going for a 400 amp panel is he's going to be having a motor

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home that's in there. He asked to test those. We were going to be with two charges in there.

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That was the only reason that we had asked for the 400 amp upgrade for the garage. It was

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easier to do a 400 amp upgrade to the garage in the back feed house. That was the only reason

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that there was a 400 amp panel asked for was for the RV in for this test was. So other than that

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there was there's I'm not smart enough to work on a car. My son's an engineer on the freeway

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in San Diego. We leaves it two in the morning. It gets home at nine a night. He got home rather than to

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here. So believe me there's no shop. I'm not, that's not my thing. I'm a builder. So that's

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the justify the 400 amp panel. And they can take that off of them when they, they

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we don't have to have that. So in no way shape or form, do we have to have it? It was simply

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there for his motorhome and his, there's two Tesla's. So. And the neighbor, there's no windows

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up above six foot eight. So we've got a six foot block all the way around. You're not going to

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into the neighbors and neighbors aren't going to see us, so we're not going to be shading anybody or anything like that.

429
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Looking in people and Tom and nothing like that.

430
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He's just simply asking us for a garage.

431
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That's all I just say.

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Thank you.

433
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I mean all those comments are very interesting because the great and the less stuff, I mean there's

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so many things we got to go through the hoop, especially in the state of California, I mean

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the great, you know, that stuff is done, the lighting and the town of up Valley, we, you know,

436
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we don't allow bright lights, downlight and only all that stuff.

437
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So all that stuff's already addressed.

438
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I mean, it's really not even a concern.

439
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There's no site.

440
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They're not, they don't have an ocean views

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that they're looking to the side of the yard.

442
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It's kind of a ridiculous, but again, we're talking

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about a garage that if he wants to weld something of his own,

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he should be allowed to weld a freaking piece of metal

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on his own.

446
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Four hundred amp handles should be a zero concern.

447
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Again, we're talking about some very elementary stuff

448
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here, I believe.

449
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So, you know, again, we're going to stick with the thing.

450
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We're not talking about, okay, hold on a second, Mike.

451
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If we're back in a commission comment, I'm going to close up.

452
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Okay, so we're not, we're not going to get in all of that with this open.

453
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So, right now, we're going to go ahead and close up public hearing

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back to commission discussion at 6.35, so keep going.

455
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:06,320
Yeah, so anyways, I don't even know where I left off, but bottom line is the use of it

456
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,340
is going to be regulated by the bill in his safety.

457
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,640
If somebody's out there, wrenching on cars every day,

458
00:36:10,660 --> 00:36:11,360
that's going to get handled.

459
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:13,520
If you want to wrench on his own car,

460
00:36:13,780 --> 00:36:14,800
that's his freedom to do that.

461
00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:18,940
Again, we're talking about the height.

462
00:36:19,100 --> 00:36:21,020
We're not talking about amp panels.

463
00:36:21,260 --> 00:36:22,220
We're not talking about drainage.

464
00:36:22,380 --> 00:36:24,740
All that stuff is handled through the jurisdiction

465
00:36:24,740 --> 00:36:25,900
that we're sitting in here.

466
00:36:26,020 --> 00:36:26,920
We're talking about the height.

467
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:27,780
Are we okay with the height?

468
00:36:27,860 --> 00:36:29,960
They're not the stick to the thing and let's move on with this thing.

469
00:36:30,940 --> 00:36:32,860
Again, I feel like I have enough stuff to make a decision.

470
00:36:33,460 --> 00:36:36,300
If we're going from 16 feet to 22 feet, that's my take.

471
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:42,360
Yeah, I mean, you know, Mike's right, that's pretty much the topic at hand, and I, again,

472
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:46,360
I don't have a problem with the height, I know that that's kind of the way things are

473
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:46,600
going.

474
00:36:47,020 --> 00:36:54,500
We do need to notify Council of the discrepancy code with the garages that we keep getting

475
00:36:54,500 --> 00:36:59,520
forward, because to me, I don't see a big difference between why an attached garages

476
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:04,420
22 feet allowable, and the detach of 16, it doesn't really make sense.

477
00:37:04,420 --> 00:37:06,200
So I think there's a defect in the code.

478
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,500
Again, my beef is with staff on this one.

479
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:10,780
I hate to say it.

480
00:37:10,900 --> 00:37:14,720
And it's not, it just was not a very good staff report.

481
00:37:15,060 --> 00:37:19,160
In general, the photos, the drawings, the map, the description,

482
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,540
and unfortunately, even the staff report at the commission.

483
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:26,260
So that's my problem.

484
00:37:26,260 --> 00:37:29,780
I got to go with Mike and again

485
00:37:30,590 --> 00:37:56,330
I give the neighbor, but, you know, we have half acre lots minimum. It's enough to put a garage, it's enough to put ADU. There's a lot of other things going on that are more of a concern if there is something happening that shouldn't be happening in the way of business uses than the neighbor can call code enforcement. We can get a taken care of it at that time. So I don't want to say I'm fine with it because I'm not, but for what we haven't found of us, I'm good enough.

486
00:37:56,990 --> 00:38:02,270
And my only question is the question you raised earlier about, what does it stop?

487
00:38:03,070 --> 00:38:08,170
So is this the maximum elevation for any future garages or could it be higher?

488
00:38:08,650 --> 00:38:09,470
I don't know that answer.

489
00:38:09,950 --> 00:38:10,350
I don't either.

490
00:38:10,630 --> 00:38:13,910
It seems to be because the attached is allowed at 22.

491
00:38:14,130 --> 00:38:19,110
If you read through the Stafford port, we are allowing 22 feet with an attached garage.

492
00:38:19,770 --> 00:38:23,550
Detached garage is at 16 feet, which is kind of contradictory.

493
00:38:23,830 --> 00:38:24,990
I don't really know why that is.

494
00:38:24,990 --> 00:38:30,550
other than if it's a visual thing and it's away from it it could look kind of out of place

495
00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:34,890
because it's not attached to the house, but that's all stuff that we can probably massage the

496
00:38:34,890 --> 00:38:41,010
code with. We've approved a lot of garages that are that height, especially with the newer

497
00:38:41,010 --> 00:38:50,250
motorhomes. But I would be concerned about commercial uses, shop uses, electrical, so hopefully that

498
00:38:50,250 --> 00:38:55,510
is his vigilant, but other than that, I'm ready to move on on.

499
00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:57,170
Please speak it over the wall every second.

500
00:39:01,410 --> 00:39:03,590
So somebody wants to make a motion one way or the other.

501
00:39:03,590 --> 00:39:04,610
Make a motion to approve.

502
00:39:06,770 --> 00:39:07,610
Okay, we've got a motion area.

503
00:39:13,310 --> 00:39:15,830
This is really killing me.

504
00:39:16,230 --> 00:39:17,210
All second it.

505
00:39:19,700 --> 00:39:21,800
So we've got a motion area, second, calen.

506
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:23,340
We need a roll call vote.

507
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,060
I need to do, oh yeah, good.

508
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:26,100
Mission area?

509
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:26,540
Yep.

510
00:39:27,720 --> 00:39:30,780
We need to read the motion into the record.

511
00:39:31,500 --> 00:39:32,720
That's what I was just looking for.

512
00:39:32,860 --> 00:39:34,420
What is it on page 15 or something like that?

513
00:39:34,700 --> 00:39:38,080
I thought that was if we if we if we motion staff's approval

514
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:39,560
then you'll read it into the records.

515
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,200
I can do that.

516
00:39:41,720 --> 00:39:44,540
I would like to provide a reminder today.

517
00:39:45,380 --> 00:39:48,920
So to affirmatively approve any item at tonight's meeting

518
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:53,360
requires an affirmative vote from all three commissioners tonight.

519
00:39:54,500 --> 00:40:02,480
because approving an item requires a majority of the entire planning commission, not just

520
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:03,560
the planning commissioners that are present.

521
00:40:03,980 --> 00:40:10,480
Right, and so to further that point, if let's say one of the commissioners doesn't want

522
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:17,200
to vote in favor and would it be continued without any prejudice or is it over at that point?

523
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,980
That would be a discussion for the commissioners to have.

524
00:40:19,980 --> 00:40:24,740
How they would like to, would you like me to go through the options?

525
00:40:25,500 --> 00:40:26,200
That'd be great.

526
00:40:26,860 --> 00:40:32,640
Okay, so the options now, before you, are one to continue the item to the next meeting,

527
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:37,980
providing additional time for the applicant to discuss the issue with staff and make any necessary changes.

528
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:44,500
Two, you can deny the item, or three, you can approve the item as written by staff,

529
00:40:44,500 --> 00:40:49,660
for, you can also approve the item, subject to a maximum height of 16 feet.

530
00:40:50,500 --> 00:40:52,680
So those are your four options for this item.

531
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,680
Okay, I got another question on an option, the different option.

532
00:40:56,020 --> 00:41:00,840
If we don't get a full commission approval, does that deny the project?

533
00:41:05,060 --> 00:41:09,580
Okay, that changes things a little bit, and I don't know how Tom's going to vote.

534
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:15,420
So, I mean, I don't know Mike, if you want to continue this, it might be better for the applicant.

535
00:41:16,460 --> 00:41:18,080
because it could go down completely.

536
00:41:18,260 --> 00:41:19,000
This was chair.

537
00:41:19,340 --> 00:41:22,200
There's a motion in a second to approve the

538
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:22,880
kind of recommendation.

539
00:41:24,140 --> 00:41:25,980
So, I can read the staff recommendation.

540
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,820
So, let me ask you another question in.

541
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,400
If Commissioner Pombianco abstains,

542
00:41:32,940 --> 00:41:34,480
what becomes of the vote?

543
00:41:34,900 --> 00:41:36,180
The item does not pass.

544
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:36,660
It's denied.

545
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,120
Would it be denied or would it be?

546
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:39,520
It's denied.

547
00:41:40,060 --> 00:41:40,600
So, either way.

548
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:41,400
We've got the three of them.

549
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:42,940
Anything except a yes vote?

550
00:41:43,140 --> 00:41:43,680
It gives it denied.

551
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:52,080
All right, yeah, and what's again? We have a motion in a second may I read that well I want to I want to I want to

552
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:56,600
Retract my second so I don't like the options. I kind of want to

553
00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:01,240
I want to have a fair shake for this applicant. I don't know if it's going to happen with three people

554
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:09,160
You are is is the the commissioner that made the first

555
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,780
recommendation, or are they fine with you withdrawing your second?

556
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,880
So, do I have to decide that now to withdraw?

557
00:42:22,100 --> 00:42:23,160
This is my opinion.

558
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:28,960
With the options presented, anything except for all three of us voting for it makes it denied.

559
00:42:29,720 --> 00:42:33,140
And I think that it should be something that the rest of the commission looks at.

560
00:42:33,300 --> 00:42:35,340
And we get a better staff report.

561
00:42:35,980 --> 00:42:37,860
Again, we've approved these kinds of things before.

562
00:42:37,860 --> 00:42:45,040
I'm not going to speak for Commissioner Pombianco, but it's probably in the applicant's interest if we move this on to a different date.

563
00:42:45,100 --> 00:42:45,960
Look at it again.

564
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:50,020
Well actually I can solve the problem because I can make the motion.

565
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:50,440
Good.

566
00:42:50,940 --> 00:42:52,280
We need to withdraw.

567
00:42:52,500 --> 00:42:54,820
We need to retract my motion.

568
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:56,120
Okay.

569
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:56,640
You make the motion.

570
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:57,780
I thought he already did.

571
00:42:58,840 --> 00:42:59,940
So I'll make the motion.

572
00:43:00,620 --> 00:43:01,840
We approve the staff report.

573
00:43:02,700 --> 00:43:03,240
The attorney.

574
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:04,380
Well, we need a second.

575
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,520
Are you need to read the motion?

576
00:43:06,940 --> 00:43:13,300
If you can make the motion, Mr. Attorney, the staff recommendation is one, find that

577
00:43:13,300 --> 00:43:19,300
pursuant to the California Environmental Quality Act, CQA, Section 15303, new construction

578
00:43:19,300 --> 00:43:23,860
or conversion of small structure. The proposed structure is exempt from further environmental

579
00:43:23,860 --> 00:43:33,360
review, and two, recommend the adoption of a resolution, approving development permit, DP 2026-008,

580
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,900
subject to the attached conditions of approval.

581
00:43:38,170 --> 00:43:38,530
I second.

582
00:43:39,510 --> 00:43:41,890
OK, roll call vote.

583
00:43:42,090 --> 00:43:43,050
Commissioner Areas?

584
00:43:43,310 --> 00:43:43,490
Yes.

585
00:43:44,570 --> 00:43:45,470
Commissioner Pombianco.

586
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:46,010
Yes.

587
00:43:47,230 --> 00:43:47,630
Herman Kalin.

588
00:43:49,370 --> 00:43:51,470
Motion passes with Commissioner Lannion

589
00:43:51,470 --> 00:43:53,410
and Vice Chairman Tinsley Absent.

590
00:43:54,990 --> 00:43:55,190
OK.

591
00:43:59,970 --> 00:44:01,070
He wasn't that exciting.

592
00:44:02,170 --> 00:44:02,730
I didn't have to.

593
00:44:03,230 --> 00:44:05,410
Hold on, because this was worse than all that.

594
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:06,830
Sorry, everybody.

595
00:44:06,830 --> 00:44:12,710
Well, everybody understands ramifications of only having three plan commissioners here tonight. Usually it's majority

596
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:16,090
Usually it's a majority, but when there's only three it has to be unanimous

597
00:44:21,710 --> 00:44:25,570
Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna continue now with tentative track map

598
00:44:27,890 --> 00:44:35,770
2304 extension number two and we are gonna have Stephanie wheel give us a presentation at opening the public hearing

599
00:44:36,850 --> 00:44:45,630
644. Good evening, Chairman and commissioners. The item before you is a request for extension of time number two,

600
00:44:45,870 --> 00:44:55,290
or tentative track map, 20304. The applicant is requesting a final one-year extension for a previously approved tentative track map,

601
00:44:55,290 --> 00:44:59,770
to subdivide approximately 55 acres into 93 single family residential.

602
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:11,040
A lot's within the Equestrian Residential Zoning District. The property is located on the east side of Choco Road, approximately 400 feet north of Boot Hill Drive.

603
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:19,860
Tendative Track Map 20304 was originally approved by the Planning Commission on July 15, 2020.

604
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:31,080
The original map was valid through July 15, 2023, and the applicant received a three year extension through July 15, 2026.

605
00:45:32,100 --> 00:45:38,400
The applicant is now requesting one additional year, which would extend the map through July 15, 2027.

606
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:42,160
Under the town's development code subdivision section,

607
00:45:42,740 --> 00:45:45,760
a tentative map may be extended up to four years

608
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,920
beyond its original expiration date.

609
00:45:48,500 --> 00:45:51,940
This would be the final extension available for this tentative track map.

610
00:45:53,380 --> 00:45:55,540
No housing product is proposed at this time.

611
00:45:56,300 --> 00:45:58,360
Prior to the construction of the future homes,

612
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,140
a separate development permit will be required

613
00:46:01,140 --> 00:46:05,740
and will return to the planning commission for review of the residential architecture.

614
00:46:05,740 --> 00:46:15,600
The original project was evaluated under CQA, three initial study and mitigated negative declaration adopted on July 15, 2020.

615
00:46:16,340 --> 00:46:22,840
Staff determined that there have been no changes to the project and no new information that would result in new significant environmental impacts.

616
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:29,800
Therefore, pursuant to SQL Guidelines Section 15162, no further environmental review is required.

617
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:35,860
All previously applicable conditions and mitigation measures remain in effect.

618
00:46:36,740 --> 00:46:41,460
Staff recommends that the Planning Commission moves staff's recommendation as provided in the staff report.

619
00:46:42,140 --> 00:46:43,620
This concludes the staff's presentation.

620
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:45,920
Staff is available to answer any questions.

621
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,040
The applicant is also present virtually and would like to address the commission.

622
00:46:50,740 --> 00:46:51,260
Thank you.

623
00:46:51,740 --> 00:46:52,720
Questions of staff.

624
00:46:53,620 --> 00:46:54,800
I have none.

625
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,360
I'm none for me either.

626
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:01,580
Okay, so the applicant is going to comment by phone.

627
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:07,800
Yes, he is available on virtually the Microsoft Teams.

628
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:08,360
Okay.

629
00:47:09,820 --> 00:47:12,040
Is the applicant there?

630
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:13,780
Yes, I'm here.

631
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:15,720
Chairman Kalin, fellow commissioners.

632
00:47:15,900 --> 00:47:16,640
Is this Tom Rubik?

633
00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:17,680
Can you hear me?

634
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:18,780
Yes.

635
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:20,400
Yes, I appreciate.

636
00:47:20,500 --> 00:47:21,240
I'm out of town.

637
00:47:21,460 --> 00:47:24,890
I appreciate you considering this final extension of one year.

638
00:47:24,890 --> 00:47:31,970
And I went over the conditions with Stephanie and I agree 100% with those and I agree to those.

639
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:36,710
And hopefully our economy will pick up so we can get this project moving forward.

640
00:47:37,090 --> 00:47:40,330
I appreciate your approval of this one year extension.

641
00:47:41,410 --> 00:47:42,210
Okay, thanks Tom.

642
00:47:42,910 --> 00:47:46,390
We're going to call for public comments on this.

643
00:47:46,990 --> 00:47:49,390
Do you have anybody here that wants to comment on this extension?

644
00:47:50,350 --> 00:47:51,390
Seeing nobody.

645
00:47:52,690 --> 00:47:59,410
Tom, you've already agreed to the conditions from staff?

646
00:48:00,790 --> 00:48:00,970
Okay.

647
00:48:01,570 --> 00:48:06,590
So we're going to go ahead and close the public hearing at 6.48 and have commission discussion?

648
00:48:07,950 --> 00:48:09,450
My fingers across too for the economy.

649
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:17,070
We've done a lot of extensions for track maps, and it seems like we're running out of time on a lot of them.

650
00:48:17,590 --> 00:48:19,650
But hopefully you're right, it'll get better.

651
00:48:20,070 --> 00:48:22,050
So I'm all for it.

652
00:48:22,050 --> 00:48:26,890
anything. The same thing you answered my question, whether you're planning on pulling a

653
00:48:26,890 --> 00:48:31,250
development permit. So the economy allows hopefully he'll get this off the ground

654
00:48:31,250 --> 00:48:34,070
and running. So I'm hoping for that.

655
00:48:34,430 --> 00:48:39,730
So I'm going to go ahead and call for motion on this. I'll make a motion. We approve.

656
00:48:40,730 --> 00:48:41,310
A second.

657
00:48:42,230 --> 00:48:48,070
Okay. Staff's recommendation is one. Determine that based on the evidence and the record.

658
00:48:48,070 --> 00:48:55,330
There is no substantial change in the project or new information that would result in new, significant environmental impacts

659
00:48:55,330 --> 00:49:00,810
beyond those identified within the mitigated negative declaration that was prepared for this project

660
00:49:00,810 --> 00:49:04,530
and adopted by the Planning Commission on July 15, 2020.

661
00:49:05,330 --> 00:49:08,450
Therefore, pursuant to the California Environmental Quality Act,

662
00:49:08,810 --> 00:49:11,070
Sequel Guidelines sections 15162.

663
00:49:11,910 --> 00:49:15,190
The proposed request is not subject to further environmental review.

664
00:49:15,190 --> 00:49:25,470
2, adopt resolution number 2026-011, approving a final 1-year extension of time for

665
00:49:25,470 --> 00:49:33,370
tentative track Mac map TTM 20304, subject to the attached conditions of approval, and

666
00:49:33,370 --> 00:49:41,190
3, direct staff to file the notice of determination under SQL Guidelines section 1-5-075.

667
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:41,630
Thank

668
00:49:44,150 --> 00:49:47,570
you. So we have a motion it.

669
00:49:47,870 --> 00:49:50,890
Pombianco second areas we need a roll call vote.

670
00:49:50,970 --> 00:49:52,090
Commissioner areas.

671
00:49:53,050 --> 00:49:55,390
Is it okay that he called it I motion first as a matter.

672
00:49:55,750 --> 00:49:59,150
Oh, I'm sorry. So the motion was areas second Pombianco.

673
00:49:59,150 --> 00:49:59,810
Sorry about that.

674
00:50:00,410 --> 00:50:01,190
Roll call vote.

675
00:50:01,210 --> 00:50:02,090
Commissioner areas.

676
00:50:02,310 --> 00:50:02,850
Yes.

677
00:50:02,850 --> 00:50:03,890
Commissioner Pombianco.

678
00:50:06,110 --> 00:50:10,070
Motion passes with Commissioner Lannion and Vice Chairman Tensley Absent.

679
00:50:10,490 --> 00:50:10,750
Okay.

680
00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:13,230
Moving along to the next tentative track map.

681
00:50:13,230 --> 00:50:15,430
different from this one, but similar,

682
00:50:16,330 --> 00:50:18,870
23.06, extension number two,

683
00:50:19,150 --> 00:50:20,310
opening up the public hearing,

684
00:50:21,350 --> 00:50:25,870
at 6.50, again with Ms. Leighel.

685
00:50:26,810 --> 00:50:28,410
Good evening, Chairman and Commissioners.

686
00:50:28,610 --> 00:50:31,810
The item before you is a request for extension of time number two,

687
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:34,710
for tentative track map 20306.

688
00:50:35,450 --> 00:50:38,010
The applicant is requesting a final two year extension

689
00:50:38,010 --> 00:50:40,230
for a previously approved tentative track map

690
00:50:40,230 --> 00:50:42,710
to subdivide approximately 100 acres,

691
00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:48,070
into 160 single-family residential lots and three-letter lots within the

692
00:50:48,070 --> 00:50:52,090
Equestrian residential zoning district. The project is located at the

693
00:50:52,090 --> 00:50:58,230
southeast corner of Corwin Road and Waller Road. Tenet of Track Map 20306 was

694
00:50:58,230 --> 00:51:03,210
originally approved by the Planning Commission on September 1st 2021. The

695
00:51:03,210 --> 00:51:07,770
original map was valid through September 1st 2024 and the applicant received a

696
00:51:07,770 --> 00:51:13,390
your extension through September 1st, 2026. The applicant is now requesting an additional

697
00:51:13,390 --> 00:51:19,170
two years which would extend the map through September 1st, 2028. Under the town's development

698
00:51:19,170 --> 00:51:24,330
code subdivision section, a tentative map may be extended up to four years beyond its original

699
00:51:24,330 --> 00:51:29,410
expiration date. This would be the final extension available for this tentative track map.

700
00:51:30,490 --> 00:51:35,010
No housing product is proposed at this time prior to construction of future homes,

701
00:51:35,010 --> 00:51:41,930
A separate development permit will be required and will return to planning commission for review of the residential architecture.

702
00:51:42,990 --> 00:51:51,530
The original project was evaluated under CEQA, 3 in initial study and medicated negative declaration adopted on September 1, 2021.

703
00:51:51,530 --> 00:51:56,390
Staff determined that there have been no changes to the project and no new information

704
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:59,930
that would result in a new, significant environmental impacts.

705
00:52:00,730 --> 00:52:06,410
Therefore, pursuant to SQL Guidelines Section 15162, no further environmental review is required.

706
00:52:07,650 --> 00:52:11,430
I'll previously applicable conditions and mitigation measures remain in effect.

707
00:52:12,110 --> 00:52:16,670
Staff recommends that the Planning Commission moves staff's recommendation as provided in the

708
00:52:16,670 --> 00:52:21,990
support. This concludes staff's presentation. Staff is available to answer any questions.

709
00:52:22,630 --> 00:52:26,070
The applicant is also present virtually and would like to address the commission.

710
00:52:26,470 --> 00:52:27,350
Thank you.

711
00:52:27,510 --> 00:52:29,410
Questions of staff? Anything?

712
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:31,940
I got nothing.

713
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:33,840
Apocons still on the phone?

714
00:52:35,380 --> 00:52:38,660
You there? Yes. Yes, Chairman Collin. This is Tom Rubik.

715
00:52:39,700 --> 00:52:43,080
Thank you again for allowing this to move forward tonight.

716
00:52:43,820 --> 00:52:46,840
And I would request 100% agreement with these conditions.

717
00:52:47,940 --> 00:52:54,180
And, like I said, I hope that things will certainly be picking up with some of the good projects coming down the pike.

718
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,500
And I would request and appreciate your approval this.

719
00:52:59,540 --> 00:53:04,120
Okay, thanks, and you've agreed verbally, so I'll note that on my report.

720
00:53:05,340 --> 00:53:06,140
Yes, I do.

721
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,700
Is there anybody in the public here that would like to comment on this item?

722
00:53:11,140 --> 00:53:16,860
Seeing no one, we're going to go ahead and close the public hearing at 653 with Commission discussion.

723
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,220
Same thing, I'll go ahead and make the motion this time.

724
00:53:21,820 --> 00:53:23,160
That we approve staff recommendation?

725
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:25,300
No, second.

726
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:27,340
You're up?

727
00:53:27,540 --> 00:53:27,920
Yes.

728
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:33,700
Staff's recommendation is one to determine that based on the evidence and the record,

729
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:39,800
there is no substantial change in the project or new information that would result in

730
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:44,760
new significant environmental impacts beyond those identified within the mitigated

731
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:49,160
negative declaration that was prepared for this project and adopted by the planning commission

732
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:55,460
on September 1st, 2021. Therefore, pursuant to the California Environmental Quality Act,

733
00:53:55,460 --> 00:54:00,060
Sequa guideline sections 15162, the proposed request

734
00:54:00,060 --> 00:54:02,460
is not subject to further environmental review.

735
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:08,160
Two, adopt resolution number 2026-012,

736
00:54:09,020 --> 00:54:11,760
approving a final two year extension of time

737
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:15,980
for tentative track map TTM 20306,

738
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,320
subject to the attached conditions of approval.

739
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,200
Three, direct staff to file the notice of determination

740
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:26,180
under Seqbo Guidelines section 1.5075.

741
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:29,480
Thank you.

742
00:54:29,980 --> 00:54:31,800
We have a motion call in second areas.

743
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:33,320
We need a roll call vote.

744
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:34,260
Missionary areas?

745
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:36,280
Missionary Pombianco?

746
00:54:36,700 --> 00:54:36,960
Yes.

747
00:54:37,300 --> 00:54:37,900
Chairman Callon.

748
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,780
Motion passes with Commissioner Lannion and Vice Chairman Tinsley Absent.

749
00:54:43,180 --> 00:54:44,060
Thank you.

750
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:45,560
Okay.

751
00:54:46,100 --> 00:54:48,480
Moving on to item 5.4.

752
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:50,420
We're going to open the public hearing.

753
00:54:50,420 --> 00:55:01,080
This is the Lake Creek Logistics Center Agenda Report, opening the public hearing at 6.55 and we've got Mr. Richard Hirsch to give a presentation.

754
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:25,540
Good evening, Chair Calon, in members of the Planning Commission, Richard Hirsch on behalf of the Planning Department.

755
00:55:25,780 --> 00:55:36,300
I'm with Interwest Consulting Group. I'm your consulting planner. I've been working with the town for almost four years now.

756
00:55:36,300 --> 00:55:43,080
Happy to be here. This is my second time live in Council Chambers presenting with you.

757
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:48,060
I had presented a number of projects. Previously, we had been doing them virtually,

758
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,700
but now we're going to start doing them live, so I'm very happy to be here with you.

759
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:58,840
And thank you for the opportunity. The project before you this evening is the Lake Creek Logistics

760
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:07,520
center warehousing project and let's get our bearings as to where the project is located.

761
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:15,740
It is in the north half of the town, immediately east of Apple Valley Airport and just

762
00:56:15,740 --> 00:56:18,320
drilling down a little bit more to the precise location.

763
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:26,620
As I said, east of the airport and it's bounded on the south by Corwin Road on the east

764
00:56:26,620 --> 00:56:30,300
by central road and on the north by gustine street.

765
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,640
And you can see on the right there,

766
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:39,140
where it's location, vis-à-vis the airport lands

767
00:56:39,140 --> 00:56:41,400
but immediately to the west.

768
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:47,880
Surrounding uses the project status 227 gross acres.

769
00:56:48,300 --> 00:56:51,320
We do have the airport to the west and to the southwest,

770
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,200
undeveloped high desert lands to the south.

771
00:56:55,200 --> 00:57:10,020
same to the north and to the east, we have a combination of undeveloped vacant high desert lands and a single family residential cluster of residential

772
00:57:10,020 --> 00:57:18,600
rural residential compounds, about 10 compounds to the east of central road, and another

773
00:57:19,780 --> 00:57:24,700
rural residential compound to the southeast approximately 700 feet away.

774
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:34,600
This is a view of the site from Corwin, looking north-westernly towards Bell Mountain.

775
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:37,760
The entire site looks like this.

776
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:43,420
It's basically high desert scrub and a variety of small amounts.

777
00:57:43,500 --> 00:57:47,880
There are no Joshua trees present, no environmentally sensitive features.

778
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:54,240
A little bit of evidence of human use, but really not much.

779
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:58,580
It's really just raw, high desert land.

780
00:57:59,960 --> 00:58:06,260
Currently, the site has a general plan, and zoning designation of specific planet is within

781
00:58:06,260 --> 00:58:12,460
the North Apple Valley Industrial Specific Plan, and within that specific plan there are a variety

782
00:58:12,460 --> 00:58:20,420
of different designations, four of the five parcels that make up the site are already

783
00:58:20,420 --> 00:58:28,300
designated ISP, specific plan industrial, the far south east parcel on the site is designated

784
00:58:28,300 --> 00:58:31,820
general commercial CG, general commercial at this time.

785
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:37,000
And this is a map showing the Navis P boundaries.

786
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,580
The Navis P areas about 4,800 acres,

787
00:58:42,620 --> 00:58:46,460
and it's divided up into four designations.

788
00:58:47,500 --> 00:58:51,280
There is the airport industrial designation commercial general.

789
00:58:52,100 --> 00:58:56,160
The industrial specific plan and the fourth, I believe,

790
00:58:56,160 --> 00:59:05,600
is an industrial designation, and uses that are allowed in the specifically in the ISP designation.

791
00:59:06,380 --> 00:59:22,200
This is the list of general list of uses that are more, but this is essentially the list of most common uses that would provide you with an example list of types of uses that would be permitted within the ISP designation.

792
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:29,680
So, getting into the actual project proposal, this is the current site plan.

793
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:34,800
Three buildings, lot one is for this east on the site.

794
00:59:35,300 --> 00:59:39,920
Lot one would contain building one, it is a 76 net acre site.

795
00:59:40,180 --> 00:59:45,720
The building would be about a million and a quarter, 1.24 million square feet.

796
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:59,980
And it would be a cross-doc warehouse logistics building with about 200 roll-up dock doors and over a thousand standard parking spaces building two is identical to building one and

797
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:08,680
And the lot is about 80 acres. Again, 1.24 million square feet, about 200 roll-up loading dock doors, approximately

798
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:16,440
100 doors on each side of the building, thus making it cross dock configuration, and over a thousand

799
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:25,500
standard parking spaces to meet the demand for potential employment on site, which could reach up to

800
01:00:25,500 --> 01:00:26,860
2,900 employees.

801
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:30,240
Lot three, building three is the furthest west,

802
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:32,340
and that is budding the airport.

803
01:00:32,940 --> 01:00:35,580
It's the smallest of the lots and the smallest building.

804
01:00:35,820 --> 01:00:38,820
It's 68 acres, 1 million square foot building,

805
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:42,800
about 150 roll-up doors and 600 standard parking spaces

806
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:43,580
overall.

807
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:48,660
The facility is requesting 3.48 million total square feet

808
01:00:48,660 --> 01:00:51,380
on a 227 gross acre site.

809
01:00:52,720 --> 01:01:00,120
The project's intended use is, as I mentioned, as a cross-doc warehouse and e-commerce logistics center.

810
01:01:00,740 --> 01:01:05,480
It would be split up into three separate parcels with three separate buildings.

811
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:14,620
So ideally for the applicant, there's probably an intent to have three, at least three separate tenants or less ease.

812
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:20,940
To make it very clear, the project is not being proposed as a data center.

813
01:01:20,940 --> 01:01:28,640
It's being proposed as a warehousing and e-commerce logistic center, which basically has

814
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:35,320
pallets of goods come in one side through roll-up doors and docks and then be reconfigured

815
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:39,780
onto separate pallets and go out for final destinations on the other side of the building.

816
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:48,580
It's goods that are being worked here at the logistics of sales of goods, not data

817
01:01:48,580 --> 01:01:53,320
with network servers, crunching data.

818
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:56,860
It is not clear that data centers are actually permitted

819
01:01:56,860 --> 01:01:57,900
in the NavisP.

820
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:00,440
If a project did come in for a data center,

821
01:02:00,780 --> 01:02:03,600
here or elsewhere, staff would need to perform additional code

822
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:07,020
analysis to even determine if a data center would be allowed.

823
01:02:08,300 --> 01:02:10,460
Building elevations, this is a typical.

824
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:13,520
I didn't put up elevations of all three,

825
01:02:13,700 --> 01:02:16,800
because the architectural style is essentially

826
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:18,940
identical from across all three buildings.

827
01:02:19,700 --> 01:02:23,480
You can see that they have a nice blue glazing

828
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:27,580
on the corners to provide accent on all the corners.

829
01:02:27,780 --> 01:02:31,060
And there are some very nice clear story windows

830
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:34,040
bringing a lot of light into all three buildings.

831
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:38,380
And the color palette is pretty neutral, palliative,

832
01:02:38,780 --> 01:02:41,180
tops, and grays, and then the blue glazing

833
01:02:41,180 --> 01:02:44,560
provides that kind of visual accenting.

834
01:02:45,260 --> 01:02:46,520
And we've got some renderings.

835
01:02:46,520 --> 01:03:11,520
This is the building, one rendering, viewing, building one towards the southwest from central and again building one viewing southwest towards southwest from on site and an overall kind of a bird's eye or angle view showing the whole site from gusting and central viewing towards the southwest, really direction with bell mountain in the background there.

836
01:03:12,860 --> 01:03:19,920
The project is also required to install a new water service line, and there will be a 12 inch line.

837
01:03:20,260 --> 01:03:27,280
About a half mile, maybe a little bit more, that would extend from an existing connection point west of the airport,

838
01:03:27,540 --> 01:03:36,040
I believe, at Ramona and Corwin, and it would extend eastward to hook up with a new line and Corwin road.

839
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:41,220
And that new 12-inch line would be underneath the main runway of the airport.

840
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:44,140
There's an easement agreement that's been agreed to.

841
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:49,380
It's, believe it's in the process of being executed now and finalized by the county,

842
01:03:50,660 --> 01:03:51,380
airports department.

843
01:03:52,140 --> 01:03:56,560
And importantly, they would not have to trench up the runway here.

844
01:03:56,560 --> 01:04:04,060
This would be a boring, underneath the runway, so we'll disturb that runway configuration or surface.

845
01:04:04,060 --> 01:04:13,120
The airport overlay zones are notable here, the project is well within the airport zones.

846
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:21,200
It's in zone A2, largely which allows a 50 foot maximum height zone A1 is the more

847
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:34,040
stringent airport safety overlay zone and you can see that a very small portion of the

848
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:41,740
safety zone within which the maximum height would be 35 feet. However, no portion of building

849
01:04:41,740 --> 01:04:48,920
one overlaps with the actual A1 zone boundary. So the building is allowed to be up to 50

850
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:54,220
feet high because all three buildings, including all of building one, are in zone two, if that

851
01:04:54,220 --> 01:04:54,880
makes sense.

852
01:04:57,030 --> 01:05:01,630
Entitlements being requested, essentially four entitlements plus certification of

853
01:05:01,630 --> 01:05:06,650
EIR. There's a specific plan amendment here to change the Southeast

854
01:05:06,650 --> 01:05:12,990
parcel designation from CG to that industrial to be consistent with the

855
01:05:12,990 --> 01:05:17,150
other four parcels. There's a tentative map to reorganize five existing

856
01:05:17,150 --> 01:05:21,790
lots into three and to vacate two street segments for streets that are not

857
01:05:21,790 --> 01:05:26,770
intended to be built. Site-plan review, which is basically the equivalent of

858
01:05:26,770 --> 01:05:32,310
element permit elsewhere, but in the Navisp is called an SPR to develop the three warehouse

859
01:05:32,310 --> 01:05:38,850
building totaling the 3.4 million and a development agreement which is a legal instrument

860
01:05:38,850 --> 01:05:45,510
between the town and the developer to memorialize the development standards to memorialize

861
01:05:45,510 --> 01:05:50,810
the expected improvements and infrastructure that go along with the project and from the other

862
01:05:50,810 --> 01:05:56,370
side to establish the project entitlement investing periods, which I think are 10 years in this

863
01:05:56,370 --> 01:06:00,070
but we can, we have a staff member who can speak more to that.

864
01:06:00,510 --> 01:06:03,950
And then of course to certify the environmental impact report,

865
01:06:04,290 --> 01:06:07,390
which has to be done prior to approving any of the entitlements.

866
01:06:09,050 --> 01:06:11,690
So just drilling on just a bit on each of the entitlements,

867
01:06:12,010 --> 01:06:13,610
the Navisp specific plan amendment,

868
01:06:14,130 --> 01:06:15,370
it's that Southeast parcel,

869
01:06:15,990 --> 01:06:17,510
and the existing is above the proposals.

870
01:06:17,750 --> 01:06:21,350
Below, they're asking to align it with the other four parcels

871
01:06:21,350 --> 01:06:23,470
and turn it into the ISP,

872
01:06:23,470 --> 01:06:30,010
which is a more appropriate and compatible designation for a warehouse and logistics facility than CG.

873
01:06:30,430 --> 01:06:37,090
CG is more for big box commercial, large commercial operations, often uses the Go and CG

874
01:06:37,090 --> 01:06:45,370
or more impactful, environmentally impactful than what you'd find in a light industrial area like the ISP.

875
01:06:46,350 --> 01:06:51,190
The tentative parcel map request on the left, it's the existing on the right, is the proposed,

876
01:06:51,190 --> 01:06:57,990
it's five parcels now, being asked to do, they're asking to do three parcels, the furthest

877
01:06:57,990 --> 01:07:05,390
west parcel would stay roughly the same. The other two parcels, two would combine the two

878
01:07:05,390 --> 01:07:11,170
in the middle, the two squares, and parcel one would combine the two square parcels along central

879
01:07:11,170 --> 01:07:17,750
to create two rectangular parcels. And site plan review, of course, is what is allowing

880
01:07:17,750 --> 01:07:21,030
the actual physical construction to come up out of the ground.

881
01:07:21,850 --> 01:07:23,630
That's the vertical construction piece.

882
01:07:24,670 --> 01:07:29,850
Sequa, your environmental impact report, I'll touch on this very briefly because we do have the Sequa consulting.

883
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:35,100
Any team, today in the chambers, who can speak more to the details and nuances of the

884
01:07:35,100 --> 01:07:41,240
sequel process and the document and any impacts. Any IAR was deemed necessary by the town,

885
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:48,760
because of three significant unavoidable environmental impacts to air quality, noise impacts and

886
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:59,100
transportation impacts. There are mitigation measures included, which reduce all other impacts to

887
01:07:59,100 --> 01:08:04,680
environmental impact report was circulated with the public for 45 days and we received 10

888
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:11,260
comment letters on that DER and subsequent to that. A final EIR was published in mid-August

889
01:08:11,260 --> 01:08:16,960
and based on those comments. And finally, because we're doing EER and we have significant

890
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:23,240
environmental unavoidable environmental impacts, the town must adopt what's called a statement

891
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:28,720
of overriding considerations per state's sequel out where if the town chooses to approve

892
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:33,920
the project and it has these significant impacts, it must state the specific reasons for

893
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:41,320
approving the project under CEQA. The noticing process, we originally noticed this project

894
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:48,700
for 10 days prior, subsequently found out Assembly Bill 2904, which was made effective in January

895
01:08:48,700 --> 01:08:58,700
last year, Trump's the 10 days and requires actually 20 days of public notice for any

896
01:08:59,420 --> 01:09:03,360
that would affect potential uses of a piece of real estate.

897
01:09:03,860 --> 01:09:09,360
So we have that here because of the specific plan amendment changes the uses that can be done there.

898
01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:14,000
So we first did the noticing for hearing on September 2nd.

899
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:18,240
We had to postpone that hearing for tonight's September 16th to do the 20 day notice,

900
01:09:18,740 --> 01:09:19,380
which we've now done.

901
01:09:19,480 --> 01:09:21,000
We've cured the deficiency.

902
01:09:21,660 --> 01:09:25,080
We've done the 20 day noticing compliance with state and local laws,

903
01:09:25,480 --> 01:09:28,200
and all noticing was done by August 28th.

904
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:58,040
We did receive, this is old now, we originally have received five comments from two residents, we found, we have a bunch, a number of additional comments that were discovered that you now have in your packet and are available online and we also received one comment letter from an outside organization called Golden State Environmental Justice Alliance that was received by the time of the hearing.

905
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:06,380
We also received a letter just late to late today from the Mojave Desert Air Quality District.

906
01:10:08,900 --> 01:10:10,560
Staffs recommendations on this project.

907
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:14,820
Well, to ask questions of staff as needed.

908
01:10:15,060 --> 01:10:17,440
And we do have a full team here tonight.

909
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:18,780
Sometimes it takes a village.

910
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:20,100
This is a large project.

911
01:10:20,700 --> 01:10:22,760
There's a lot of different aspects to it.

912
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:23,860
I'm a planner.

913
01:10:24,180 --> 01:10:25,920
I can speak to planning zoning issues.

914
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:33,240
and have SP, the project design itself, if there is environmental issues to be discussed

915
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:39,160
or other, we've got a team that can address and respond to those.

916
01:10:39,440 --> 01:10:43,880
And to open the public hearing, take public testimony, close the public hearing, have

917
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:48,580
Commissioner discussion, and then staff's recommendation would be to adopt the resolutions

918
01:10:48,580 --> 01:10:54,600
that are in your packet recommending that the town council certify the EIR, they adopt

919
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:59,540
the SPA, approve the TPM, and the site plan review, and adopt the DA.

920
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:04,700
So just to clarify, tonight, your role is to make a recommendation to town council.

921
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:10,200
The reason the project needs to go to town council is explicitly because it's asking for

922
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:13,520
a legislative change to the NavSP.

923
01:11:13,620 --> 01:11:15,920
It's asking for that specific blind amendment.

924
01:11:16,740 --> 01:11:19,900
So that kicks it up to the town council for final decision making.

925
01:11:20,740 --> 01:11:25,660
This concludes this staff report. If you have any questions or comments, I'm here to respond.

926
01:11:26,740 --> 01:11:27,700
Thank you.

927
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:33,140
Okay, I think let me find out something. Question that was asked.

928
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:44,100
So we just received all the letters that you discussed that were not in our packet.

929
01:11:44,340 --> 01:11:44,640
Correct.

930
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:47,600
So in order for us to really do anything, we're going to have to look at this stuff.

931
01:11:48,500 --> 01:11:52,020
So I'm going to call a, what do you think we need?

932
01:11:55,920 --> 01:12:00,780
We'll go 15 minutes, hopefully that gives us enough time to at least review this stuff.

933
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:04,280
So I apologize to everybody, this is late to the game.

934
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:09,820
You guys take a bathroom break, talk amongst yourself, but we got to take a look at some of this stuff.

935
01:12:10,580 --> 01:12:12,540
Okay, thank you. Sounds like a good idea.

936
01:12:13,620 --> 01:12:15,620
So we're going to take a break right now.

937
01:12:15,740 --> 01:12:16,340
We're going to go back.

938
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:18,880
At 7-12,

939
01:12:24,460 --> 01:12:25,880
we'll be back at 7-25.

940
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:30,690
I think you're doing good.

941
01:12:30,690 --> 01:12:31,870
I think you're doing good.

942
01:12:32,070 --> 01:12:32,750
Thanks so much.

943
01:12:32,950 --> 01:12:33,830
I'm a nice project.

944
01:12:34,050 --> 01:12:34,570
Oh yeah, I know.

945
01:12:34,650 --> 01:12:36,050
Do you do a lot of these on the street?

946
01:12:36,050 --> 01:12:36,950
Just what you're saying.

947
01:12:36,950 --> 01:12:37,770
Yeah, I'm just saying.

948
01:12:37,930 --> 01:12:38,350
I don't know.

949
01:12:39,310 --> 01:12:41,150
That's what I'm talking about.

950
01:12:41,150 --> 01:12:42,810
Oh, okay.

951
01:12:42,990 --> 01:12:44,810
So that's why I recognized you.

952
01:12:45,290 --> 01:12:45,410
Yeah, I know.

953
01:12:45,410 --> 01:12:47,770
I'm a poor go, but the complex one.

954
01:12:48,930 --> 01:12:49,770
With Jessica.

955
01:27:23,300 --> 01:27:34,300
Okay, we're going to go ahead and resume the meeting. And we've got the staff report. So now we're going to go ahead and ask for questions of staff by the commissioners.

956
01:27:38,030 --> 01:27:40,670
I have a few, but Tommy, want to start it off?

957
01:27:41,050 --> 01:27:42,130
Go ahead first.

958
01:27:43,050 --> 01:27:43,530
So

959
01:27:45,770 --> 01:27:57,070
I guess a concern for me is the 40 acres. It's actually net 35 acres on the commercial CG. I don't know that I agree that it's a less intensive or more intensive use than the industrial.

960
01:27:57,070 --> 01:28:04,450
But that bottom southeast corner, being zone commercial, if you could pull up the map, that shows

961
01:28:04,450 --> 01:28:07,630
that's literally the only commercial parcel in that area.

962
01:28:10,660 --> 01:28:12,500
So if you have the bigger one,

963
01:28:19,150 --> 01:28:19,510
you know,

964
01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:27,500
we're talking about, you know, germ plan updates

965
01:28:27,500 --> 01:28:28,180
and all that kind of stuff.

966
01:28:28,180 --> 01:28:31,700
This is something that they plan for that area to have some commercial.

967
01:28:32,700 --> 01:28:36,400
And now if it's taken away then there's no commercial if more houses get over there.

968
01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:37,460
So yeah, that's the map.

969
01:28:37,460 --> 01:28:40,480
So if you look at the corner, the bottom corner,

970
01:28:40,540 --> 01:28:42,160
the southeast corner, correct.

971
01:28:43,160 --> 01:28:46,120
You know, that was designated as commercial for a reason.

972
01:28:46,760 --> 01:28:48,320
So I don't know if I like that.

973
01:28:48,840 --> 01:28:51,620
I'll see what everybody else has to say on that.

974
01:28:51,620 --> 01:28:52,960
But that was one of my questions.

975
01:28:54,580 --> 01:28:56,840
The other question is, are they going to phase this project?

976
01:28:57,000 --> 01:28:59,100
Is it going to be something they'd build all at once,

977
01:28:59,900 --> 01:29:02,040
or one building, then another building, then another building?

978
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:04,340
Those are both good questions.

979
01:29:04,660 --> 01:29:07,320
Do you have other questions, or shall I have many?

980
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:13,260
You do have many. Okay, and that's fine. But I won't remember them all because of my face.

981
01:29:13,460 --> 01:29:15,740
Question is it going to be a phase project or not?

982
01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:21,060
Um, that's a good question. They're not in their heads yet. So it'll be a phase project.

983
01:29:21,340 --> 01:29:23,140
It's a phase one of phase two and a phase three.

984
01:29:23,380 --> 01:29:30,640
So just something that throughout there for future reference, if you could do building three first and move your way east,

985
01:29:30,780 --> 01:29:32,960
that would be a lot better for all the people that live over there.

986
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:38,520
just an idea you know it's a lot a lot of it'll be economy based I'm sure the other

987
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:42,420
question I have for you or for the applicants like yes is if you have if they

988
01:29:42,420 --> 01:29:46,740
nod their heads is there any tenants signed up for these buildings that we're doing

989
01:29:46,740 --> 01:29:51,040
there are no tenants these are spec these are spec it's really speculative at this

990
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:57,000
point okay the other question I have I read through the the traffic and the mitigation

991
01:29:57,000 --> 01:29:59,440
of the traffic, and I'm really not clear.

992
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:07,080
Is there a way to not have truck traffic on Wally Road or no? Because it says that the traffic

993
01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:13,320
is going to go north and then over? Is there a way to ensure that that's the only direction

994
01:30:13,320 --> 01:30:18,220
that the trucks come and go? If that's a condition that we could do?

995
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:25,380
The town does have approved formalized truck routes from this area to get out to I-15.

996
01:30:27,620 --> 01:30:28,120
We probably

997
01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:34,120
could consider adding a condition of approval, but to speak more at length about the truck

998
01:30:34,120 --> 01:30:41,320
routes, I would defer to my colleagues at T&B environmental who prepared this.

999
01:30:42,360 --> 01:30:42,920
That's fine.

1000
01:30:43,060 --> 01:30:49,760
I'm concerned with all of these letters that we read or at least skim through, by the way,

1001
01:30:49,960 --> 01:30:50,500
we just got them.

1002
01:30:50,940 --> 01:30:51,940
It's hard.

1003
01:30:54,500 --> 01:30:56,900
99% of them are talking about truck traffic.

1004
01:30:57,260 --> 01:31:00,800
Yes. So, along with the other environmental things that I'm sure we've taken care of,

1005
01:31:01,100 --> 01:31:04,040
but I don't know that the truck traffic is something we can take care of.

1006
01:31:04,260 --> 01:31:06,580
When we don't know what kind of tenants we have.

1007
01:31:07,220 --> 01:31:08,560
So, it's way off in the future.

1008
01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:10,480
So, that's a concern.

1009
01:31:12,340 --> 01:31:13,480
Let me look at my notes here.

1010
01:31:18,520 --> 01:31:19,740
I think that's maybe.

1011
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:24,500
So, one of my notes was responses from the property owners

1012
01:31:24,500 --> 01:31:27,620
because I didn't have anything in my packet referring to that.

1013
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:30,980
So that solved that problem with this.

1014
01:31:31,700 --> 01:31:33,560
And I imagine some of the people here.

1015
01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:37,300
So on the overlay for the airport, district A1 and A2,

1016
01:31:37,380 --> 01:31:38,600
I know there's height requirements.

1017
01:31:38,980 --> 01:31:40,460
Are we good with that?

1018
01:31:41,220 --> 01:31:44,920
As far as the cross wind runway and all of that for the height?

1019
01:31:45,460 --> 01:31:46,200
We are.

1020
01:31:46,440 --> 01:31:50,560
Let me bring that graphic back up.

1021
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:59,520
So, so this graphic shows the airport safety overlay zones in blue is the A1 zone, which

1022
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:06,260
is the more restrictive one in the airport land use compatibility plan, and that the main

1023
01:32:06,260 --> 01:32:11,060
feature of that zone is maximum height of 35 feet.

1024
01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:18,160
Zone 2 is the less restrictive in maximum height of 50 feet.

1025
01:32:18,160 --> 01:32:25,700
The building is roughly 50 feet, and the majority of the building is within the A2 zone,

1026
01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:34,080
which has the 50 foot height. The very far southeast corner, extreme corner of the site,

1027
01:32:35,000 --> 01:32:41,860
does overlap with the A1 where the 35 foot is. However, as I was mentioning during the report,

1028
01:32:42,360 --> 01:32:47,920
if you look at this blowup, you can see that the portion of A1 that overlaps the site

1029
01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:54,400
doesn't touch any building. That's parking and landscaping buffer area.

1030
01:32:56,520 --> 01:32:58,000
So, therefore, since

1031
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:06,040
the building is not overlapping the A1 35 foot limit area, the 50 foot height that they're

1032
01:33:06,040 --> 01:33:13,180
proposing is permitted. So, and I had some property over there while back with, we had to find

1033
01:33:13,180 --> 01:33:20,940
out from the FAA. So the FAA has been on this design and implementation for the hype because

1034
01:33:20,940 --> 01:33:28,740
actually our specific plan, the area that's drawn in on a map is not really correct,

1035
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:33,320
at least from the FAA's point of view. So they have to weigh in on this stuff to be sure.

1036
01:33:33,580 --> 01:33:35,120
So I'm just checking to see if that was done.

1037
01:33:35,320 --> 01:33:42,440
And that's an excellent question, Chair Calen. We have the FAA letters of no impact for numerous

1038
01:33:42,440 --> 01:33:47,740
points of measurement across the entire site and I've got the formal letters that we can send to you.

1039
01:33:47,740 --> 01:33:50,460
Okay, no that's all I, as long as you have it, that's what we're asking.

1040
01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:57,480
We have some, as far as the environmental and all that stuff, we've got all of that from previous plans that we've

1041
01:33:57,480 --> 01:34:03,460
done in that area for the airport, specific plan, and I'm sorry, we'll close into that for the

1042
01:34:03,460 --> 01:34:10,300
environmental. It's all pretty much been done. So are you asking if the project complies with the airport

1043
01:34:10,300 --> 01:34:18,160
land compatibility plan? It does. It has compliance with all the goals policies and all the

1044
01:34:18,160 --> 01:34:20,220
goals and policies of the land use compatibility plan.

1045
01:34:20,580 --> 01:34:22,280
Right. That's all the questions I have you guys have anything?

1046
01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:26,920
Did you want me to address about the CG on the Far East Southeast parcel?

1047
01:34:27,400 --> 01:34:32,220
Well, if the applicant wants to, we can find out that too, it seems like we need to find

1048
01:34:32,220 --> 01:34:34,280
out. So, do you have anything Tom?

1049
01:34:34,640 --> 01:34:34,660
Good.

1050
01:34:34,660 --> 01:34:34,760
Good.

1051
01:34:34,760 --> 01:34:35,080
Mike.

1052
01:34:36,160 --> 01:34:42,480
Maybe in Richard, maybe going to weigh in on this engineer is the width of Central Road, North

1053
01:34:42,480 --> 01:34:43,040
of Wally.

1054
01:34:43,220 --> 01:34:46,420
What is the proposed width of Central Road?

1055
01:34:46,580 --> 01:34:52,260
Do we have, I mean, we have setbacks, we have the right of way already, but can you talk

1056
01:34:52,260 --> 01:34:55,000
about the width of Central Road, North of Wally?

1057
01:34:55,280 --> 01:34:56,540
Here's the gentleman himself.

1058
01:34:57,400 --> 01:35:01,940
Central Road is a major arterial, which is a hundred twenty foot right away and a hundred

1059
01:35:01,940 --> 01:35:03,420
and four foot curved to curve.

1060
01:35:03,820 --> 01:35:10,980
So what's the sixth line, right, to each direction with the turn lane or, yeah, six lane?

1061
01:35:11,780 --> 01:35:18,420
Yeah, so again everybody just for the record and then what about do you how why it is a South of Walu does it maintain that with?

1062
01:35:20,100 --> 01:35:25,180
That's far as the ultimate. Yeah, it's it's a major arterial throughout the whole city, right, okay

1063
01:35:25,180 --> 01:35:29,900
And for everybody in attendance to Walu Road, can you talk about the width of that road?

1064
01:35:30,040 --> 01:35:33,180
Well, the road is a it's a hundred and four foot wide right of way

1065
01:35:33,880 --> 01:35:38,860
curb its 80 feet, and it's supposed to also be a six lane road. As far as the truck

1066
01:35:38,860 --> 01:35:43,820
route, it's always been a truck route since incorporation. While the road is currently

1067
01:35:43,820 --> 01:35:50,340
a truck route, we just updated our circulation element. As you remember, this past year,

1068
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:55,440
because of all the big boxes going in the northern part of Apple Valley, what we did is we

1069
01:35:55,440 --> 01:36:00,480
actually removed truck routes that were going through buildings such as this, and we reduced

1070
01:36:00,480 --> 01:36:05,380
in amount of truck routes and mainly put them on roads that are six lane roads.

1071
01:36:05,940 --> 01:36:12,840
Central Road is a regional truck route, Walu is also a truck route that's been established.

1072
01:36:13,360 --> 01:36:14,180
What about the day of livens?

1073
01:36:14,600 --> 01:36:22,380
The livens is also a truck route, so it will serve all the big boxes in this area.

1074
01:36:22,940 --> 01:36:23,900
Same thing, six lanes.

1075
01:36:23,900 --> 01:36:30,680
Yes, well actually it's a parkway. It's a 140 to foot right away. It's huge. It's got like a 20 foot median

1076
01:36:31,280 --> 01:36:31,820
proposed

1077
01:36:32,420 --> 01:36:37,470
So if this project's approved you're going to make the town is going to make that a six lane thoroughfare for trucks

1078
01:36:39,060 --> 01:36:45,140
What we do is we require each developer to build their half as they front

1079
01:36:45,140 --> 01:36:51,560
For instance, Walmart does did construct bill Evans Parkway. That was that's all sitting there impacts

1080
01:36:52,460 --> 01:37:00,400
We also collect traffic impact fees, several million dollars over a period of time, and

1081
01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:07,920
when we, if we ever have congestion, we focus on those traffic impact fees to eliminate

1082
01:37:07,920 --> 01:37:11,940
that congestion, and that's how the fees work.

1083
01:37:12,560 --> 01:37:15,240
We know how it works, but I don't know that it works very well.

1084
01:37:15,740 --> 01:37:21,400
When you have trucks, you know, we approve a project with, I don't even know how many hundreds

1085
01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:26,720
of bays and trucks and trucks get on the road unless we're prepared for that, we're going

1086
01:37:26,720 --> 01:37:29,900
to have all of this truck traffic on Wallo, even if they pave.

1087
01:37:30,180 --> 01:37:44,340
Or make it six lanes in front of the project, they're going to still be going up and down. Corwin, they're going to be going up and down. Central, they're going to be going up and down Walloo, is all of that going to be prepared for some of these giant warehouse projects when they bring trucks in?

1088
01:37:44,700 --> 01:37:57,800
I'm confident that as time goes on, we collect the fees to offset their impacts. Apple by road, for instance, gets about 20,000 cars a day. There's no congestion on Apple by road that I'm aware of.

1089
01:37:57,800 --> 01:38:00,500
There are some signals that we're in place.

1090
01:38:00,640 --> 01:38:01,600
Come on.

1091
01:38:02,200 --> 01:38:05,260
There may be congestion at the intersections at Apple Valley.

1092
01:38:05,620 --> 01:38:07,880
When it funnels into two roads, there's plenty of congestion.

1093
01:38:08,080 --> 01:38:11,780
And there's plenty of people driving down that center lane where people are going to turn.

1094
01:38:11,960 --> 01:38:13,460
That's some easy to go ahead on.

1095
01:38:13,960 --> 01:38:16,580
So Apple Valley Road is not that well prepared.

1096
01:38:17,220 --> 01:38:19,340
In case you're not driving on, I drive it every day.

1097
01:38:20,120 --> 01:38:25,980
I just wanted to make the point that I'm while we have about five or six thousand cars a day.

1098
01:38:25,980 --> 01:38:30,000
and a two-lane road can handle up to 18,000 hrs a day.

1099
01:38:30,820 --> 01:38:38,060
And so as time goes on, we'll have to increase those lanes as those numbers go up.

1100
01:38:38,620 --> 01:38:43,380
And that's how, you know, we're working on Yuckel on my road right now, which is a two-lane road.

1101
01:38:43,880 --> 01:38:45,820
We're getting a lot of traffic point east west.

1102
01:38:45,940 --> 01:38:48,300
So that's how engineers do it.

1103
01:38:48,920 --> 01:38:53,600
We prioritize the fees that we collect, and we offset those impacts.

1104
01:38:54,400 --> 01:39:06,820
Okay, so back to my point here is so we're talking about the main arterial truck roads and again this is all for future planning we got major road over a hundred feet wide on data levels central road Wally road right so we are

1105
01:39:06,820 --> 01:39:19,960
This is set for this is an area that is set for industrial development correct so maybe David if he could weigh in on this to I remember at our last count we were somewhere in the neighborhood about 21 million square feet of some

1106
01:39:19,960 --> 01:39:26,080
stage of development of industrial projects in that North Apple Valley do you have any updated

1107
01:39:26,080 --> 01:39:31,060
or still round that 2021 million square feet of proposed development for that North Apple

1108
01:39:31,060 --> 01:39:32,020
Valley area.

1109
01:39:32,460 --> 01:39:36,500
Approximately, I don't have a number for you, but it's the last count that we were at somewhere

1110
01:39:36,500 --> 01:39:41,320
around 21 million square feet of proposed projects that are in some stage of development in

1111
01:39:41,320 --> 01:39:46,540
that North Apple Valley industrial specific plan specifically for industrial again.

1112
01:39:47,400 --> 01:39:49,700
I don't have anything further yet.

1113
01:39:49,720 --> 01:39:52,660
Well, I had something for the engineer.

1114
01:39:54,200 --> 01:39:55,860
We're guarding the road.

1115
01:39:55,860 --> 01:39:56,740
Is this mic working?

1116
01:39:57,720 --> 01:39:58,300
It's on, isn't it?

1117
01:39:58,340 --> 01:39:58,860
There you go.

1118
01:40:00,180 --> 01:40:03,680
We're guarding the condition of the road because this is so far

1119
01:40:03,680 --> 01:40:06,140
south in the specific plan.

1120
01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:09,840
I see everybody all these trucks going north on central

1121
01:40:09,840 --> 01:40:12,360
and then cutting across to get to the freeway.

1122
01:40:12,740 --> 01:40:16,180
What condition are those roads to handle all the trucks

1123
01:40:16,180 --> 01:40:18,560
It could potentially come out of this site.

1124
01:40:19,960 --> 01:40:23,640
We do a payment management system every five years.

1125
01:40:23,840 --> 01:40:28,840
We update our inventory and we get payment condition index for each road.

1126
01:40:29,860 --> 01:40:37,600
So I don't have the payment condition index for Wally Road, but we recently put a microsurface

1127
01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:37,960
on it.

1128
01:40:38,180 --> 01:40:46,160
I would say four years ago and so it's been maintained and it's not, you know, it's

1129
01:40:46,160 --> 01:40:48,100
It's not brand new, but it's being maintained.

1130
01:40:49,300 --> 01:40:54,760
Okay, but my question is, will the roads from this site, whatever road you need to take?

1131
01:40:54,940 --> 01:41:00,560
And I looking at the maps when I was reviewing this staff report, would most likely go up north

1132
01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:02,860
on central and then across.

1133
01:41:03,880 --> 01:41:10,000
So are the roads that get from this point to the I-15 adequate to support the truck traffic

1134
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:11,200
that could come out of this site?

1135
01:41:11,200 --> 01:41:14,100
is this is the furthest sight of all of the development

1136
01:41:14,100 --> 01:41:17,560
that's been posed or approved for the north.

1137
01:41:18,500 --> 01:41:23,880
So adequate is we currently have trucks on central road

1138
01:41:23,880 --> 01:41:25,180
that drive up there currently.

1139
01:41:26,260 --> 01:41:29,840
It adequately serves as a truck route currently.

1140
01:41:31,880 --> 01:41:34,560
Okay, so the only improvement would be at the site

1141
01:41:35,250 --> 01:41:39,220
to have with, correct, and on the opposite side

1142
01:41:39,220 --> 01:41:47,600
It's residential, so you're only going to require half-width improvement, we're both central

1143
01:41:47,600 --> 01:41:50,460
and the road to the Corwin to the south.

1144
01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:51,180
Correct.

1145
01:41:51,540 --> 01:41:51,920
That's correct.

1146
01:41:52,120 --> 01:41:55,320
And then everything north of there is just going to remain as it.

1147
01:41:55,600 --> 01:42:01,600
We have several projects on a long central currently that are either entitled or in the

1148
01:42:01,600 --> 01:42:09,060
process of being entitled, and those projects will also construct using a traffic index

1149
01:42:09,060 --> 01:42:16,180
for the thickness of asphalt and the base material, which is going to be higher, I went

1150
01:42:16,180 --> 01:42:21,280
to a seminar recently and the guy from Fontana was complaining about the trucks and how

1151
01:42:21,280 --> 01:42:29,340
we were pushing up asphalt. And I posed a question, what can I do as a town engineer to avoid

1152
01:42:30,180 --> 01:42:39,040
future problems that Fontana is experiencing. And I've got a good idea after meeting with several

1153
01:42:39,040 --> 01:42:45,860
people on what specifications that we're requiring of all developers and I don't want to

1154
01:42:45,860 --> 01:42:50,980
get into the weeds, but I just want to let you know that I'm very aware of truck traffic and

1155
01:42:50,980 --> 01:42:57,940
how it impacts our streets and I'm doing everything in my capacity to require the most efficient

1156
01:42:57,940 --> 01:43:07,160
And it's not cheap to put in, I think, roads as development comes in for these arterials.

1157
01:43:08,440 --> 01:43:09,680
Thank you.

1158
01:43:10,640 --> 01:43:10,860
Okay.

1159
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:13,060
So, thanks Richard.

1160
01:43:13,860 --> 01:43:14,260
Both Richard.

1161
01:43:14,640 --> 01:43:21,540
Can I just clarify just to touch on Mr. Arya's question about what square footage was approved

1162
01:43:21,540 --> 01:43:24,300
industrial square footage in the NavisP.

1163
01:43:24,700 --> 01:43:31,640
The approved total is 13.8 million square feet and the total square footage of

1164
01:43:31,640 --> 01:43:37,540
industrial assumed in the NavisP is about 48.3 million square feet.

1165
01:43:37,700 --> 01:43:46,720
Available after the approved projects, it would be about 34.6 million, so still.

1166
01:43:46,720 --> 01:43:52,280
and Lake Creek is proposing 3.4 million, so available square footage, industrial square footage,

1167
01:43:52,580 --> 01:43:57,940
after Lake Creek should it be approved, would be about still 31 million square feet of access.

1168
01:43:58,420 --> 01:44:02,640
So, just one of the very few projects coming. It sounds like right.

1169
01:44:03,440 --> 01:44:03,640
Yeah.

1170
01:44:04,380 --> 01:44:08,420
Do you have a figure on how much of that square footage is least out at this time?

1171
01:44:09,760 --> 01:44:21,140
I do not. The wall well, so I don't. I do not. So 37 million have proposed and in the pipeline.

1172
01:44:21,760 --> 01:44:25,760
No, we're going to see hopefully at some point what does occupied.

1173
01:44:25,980 --> 01:44:27,780
13.8 million is approved.

1174
01:44:29,580 --> 01:44:32,140
48 million total assumed in the plan.

1175
01:44:32,140 --> 01:44:38,720
Okay, so that's a huge delta available after the approved list is still 34 and a half million.

1176
01:44:39,360 --> 01:44:43,000
This project's three and a half million, so after this project should it be approved,

1177
01:44:43,300 --> 01:44:49,160
there's still 31 million square feet available in this specific plan for additional future projects

1178
01:44:49,160 --> 01:44:50,820
that we haven't contemplated yet.

1179
01:44:52,480 --> 01:44:53,290
Okay, so we're...

1180
01:44:53,860 --> 01:44:54,400
You good?

1181
01:44:54,520 --> 01:44:55,320
Yeah, no, I have a question.

1182
01:44:57,160 --> 01:44:59,780
I asked you about the height of the building.

1183
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:13,800
Just for the record, you indicated in your report, it's 50 square feet, but you also indicated in your report that there was a parapet that would extend that a foot higher than the maximum allowed per the development code.

1184
01:45:15,140 --> 01:45:18,120
Yes, the actual roof is below it.

1185
01:45:18,360 --> 01:45:23,540
Yeah, the roof deck. So the maximum height's 50 feet, roof deck sits at 48 from grade, I think.

1186
01:45:23,540 --> 01:45:29,420
and they have three feet of a variety of parapet and architectural features that puts it

1187
01:45:29,420 --> 01:45:37,920
at 51 total. So technically it's a foot over but not a structural. It's like I said

1188
01:45:37,920 --> 01:45:42,760
combination of parapet and architectural features. Okay and then the last question I had is

1189
01:45:42,760 --> 01:45:47,380
is there adequate power there to even move this project forwarders and be like all the other

1190
01:45:47,380 --> 01:45:54,040
projects we've approved. Not sure. Not sure. Okay. Thanks. The applicant team is working

1191
01:45:54,040 --> 01:46:00,260
with selling California Edison and they have a will serve letter so they have a will serve

1192
01:46:00,260 --> 01:46:02,600
letter in the file.

1193
01:46:03,120 --> 01:46:04,660
So, thank you, Richard.

1194
01:46:05,080 --> 01:46:07,120
Okay, time to have the applicant.

1195
01:46:20,800 --> 01:46:23,860
Good evening, Michael Johnson with Lake Creek Industrial.

1196
01:46:24,480 --> 01:46:29,340
I'm here with my partners Bob Cooke, Jack, and Jake Swan, first of all I would not just

1197
01:46:29,340 --> 01:46:37,620
extend a very warm and helpful thank you to the town staff. We've been working on this project

1198
01:46:37,620 --> 01:46:44,260
now for a good handful of years and without the the town staff helping us along we wouldn't

1199
01:46:44,260 --> 01:46:50,720
be here tonight. It does take a village and as evidenced by everybody that's here in attendance.

1200
01:46:51,340 --> 01:46:57,120
Secondly I want to just thank the commission for your time. I've seen any questions and comments

1201
01:46:57,120 --> 01:46:59,200
that you have, any suggestions, et cetera.

1202
01:47:00,180 --> 01:47:04,620
You know, we know that this is a large project in the town,

1203
01:47:04,940 --> 01:47:09,020
and I know it's a big decision for the commission.

1204
01:47:10,880 --> 01:47:13,480
I would like to also just say that, you know,

1205
01:47:13,800 --> 01:47:16,780
this is our biggest project at Lake Creek Industrial.

1206
01:47:17,560 --> 01:47:21,020
We've been very active on the south side of the hill

1207
01:47:21,020 --> 01:47:24,780
down in the Fontana and Marino Valley, Paris, et cetera.

1208
01:47:24,780 --> 01:47:36,120
Our typical project has been around 20 to 30 acres and what attracted us was the potential in Apple Valley.

1209
01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:40,740
So we purchased this property in 2000, early 2023.

1210
01:47:41,480 --> 01:47:42,620
We've been working on it ever since.

1211
01:47:42,840 --> 01:47:46,260
So we are very committed to the town, the project.

1212
01:47:46,580 --> 01:47:49,880
We're very excited to see what it will become.

1213
01:47:50,560 --> 01:47:55,860
I think one of the questions was, is this planned speculative buildings and as of now it's not?

1214
01:47:57,000 --> 01:48:01,400
We, you know, I think some of, you know, the market is a little bit slower.

1215
01:48:02,200 --> 01:48:04,780
Today then it was just a merely post-COVID.

1216
01:48:05,960 --> 01:48:11,220
And so we do not have the plans to go back on any of the buildings at the moment.

1217
01:48:12,380 --> 01:48:17,580
That probably won't change for any time soon unless we get back to the go-go days of 2022.

1218
01:48:18,420 --> 01:48:25,260
So what we've been actively doing is looking for users to take you there, you know, the majority or all of the site.

1219
01:48:25,380 --> 01:48:29,860
Recently, we have been working with one user that would look to take the entirety of the site.

1220
01:48:31,580 --> 01:48:36,660
But I don't want to hold my breath until you promise anything that that will it won't happen.

1221
01:48:37,160 --> 01:48:47,480
But our plan here is to, again, subject to being approved on this project is to find a great user that will bring,

1222
01:48:47,480 --> 01:48:52,680
lots of economic development to the town, upwards of 3,000 jobs, and then of course all the

1223
01:48:52,680 --> 01:49:00,380
infrastructure that this development would bring. Specifically, we're bringing the sewer line

1224
01:49:00,380 --> 01:49:06,260
from the west side of the airport all the way to Central Road. It's roughly a 1.25 miles in total,

1225
01:49:06,260 --> 01:49:14,720
roughly about $4 million, and then the water line extension from Lafayette and SOMIS across

1226
01:49:14,720 --> 01:49:22,100
essential and then down to this south eastern part of our site, which is about a mile and a half

1227
01:49:22,100 --> 01:49:27,940
of water extension. So, plus some of the other off-site improvements that we've talked about,

1228
01:49:28,240 --> 01:49:33,980
including, of course, the roads. One question that Commissioner Had was, is there power in the area?

1229
01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:38,880
The answer is yes, it's not directly to the site at the moment. We have more than a will serve

1230
01:49:38,880 --> 01:49:42,600
We have a fully engineered design from SoCal Edison.

1231
01:49:43,500 --> 01:49:50,160
There's a 33KV line, roughly a third of a mile,

1232
01:49:50,180 --> 01:49:53,000
quarter a mile to the east of Central Road.

1233
01:49:53,600 --> 01:49:57,960
And we have worked out all the easements that we need to bring power to our site.

1234
01:49:59,020 --> 01:50:05,100
And current capacity from SoCal Edison does say that there's enough power to power the buildings.

1235
01:50:05,100 --> 01:50:14,260
again, we're not designing a data center, there's no desire to do that, and there's not enough power in the area for a data center anyway.

1236
01:50:14,740 --> 01:50:15,920
So we don't need to worry about that.

1237
01:50:16,880 --> 01:50:27,440
But in general, I'll just want to say thank you so much for this opportunity to present to the town, and I'm happy to answer any questions if there are any questions.

1238
01:50:28,620 --> 01:50:49,340
So, we just approved another one point to, what was it, one point five million square footer, last month with Cabin, 10, I believe it was, but, and they were saying they were seeing an uptick in industrial activity, recently, a lot more than they were seeing over the last twenty four months, are you guys experiencing any of that as well, are you seeing any of that activity bump up, a million plus square foot.

1239
01:50:50,100 --> 01:50:57,060
The million plus square foot segment is more active than, call it 100 to 500,000 feet.

1240
01:50:57,060 --> 01:51:01,320
That's definitely the slowest part in the market at least again if you're talking about the

1241
01:51:01,320 --> 01:51:04,000
Illinois Empire and and you know high desert

1242
01:51:04,980 --> 01:51:09,520
If this was a 100,000 foot building near the the ports in the South Bay

1243
01:51:09,520 --> 01:51:14,080
They're gonna some sort of defense tech all over it, but at least in the Illinois Empire

1244
01:51:14,080 --> 01:51:18,100
You know for now bigger is better. Yeah, we got that spec one over there in the spirit that we're seeing right now

1245
01:51:18,100 --> 01:51:24,400
That's what 480,000 square feet at 70 million bucks sitting obviously, but I mean obviously, you know

1246
01:51:24,400 --> 01:51:28,520
who knows what's going to happen with that thing, but no action as if yet, so it does seem

1247
01:51:28,520 --> 01:51:30,560
like that million plus square footer is good.

1248
01:51:31,120 --> 01:51:33,180
I don't got anything else for the applicant.

1249
01:51:35,420 --> 01:51:36,540
This couple of real quick questions.

1250
01:51:36,560 --> 01:51:39,680
So you said that it's not going to be a speculative project.

1251
01:51:40,320 --> 01:51:42,880
So does that mean you're not going to start construction until you have a tenant?

1252
01:51:43,720 --> 01:51:44,520
Ideally yes.

1253
01:51:45,200 --> 01:51:46,620
So there's financing, obviously.

1254
01:51:47,380 --> 01:51:50,600
This is a large project for a choir, a lot of capital.

1255
01:51:50,600 --> 01:51:59,780
So, knowing what I know about the area and what direction the building is going in, would you

1256
01:51:59,780 --> 01:52:04,580
guys consider phasing it from building 3 over to the east building 1 rather than starting building

1257
01:52:04,580 --> 01:52:08,540
1 going on the other direction? Is that a problem or, I mean, logistic?

1258
01:52:08,540 --> 01:52:13,440
If it was a condition, yes, it would be a problem. Obviously if we had our brothers, it would,

1259
01:52:13,440 --> 01:52:14,760
that's exactly the way it would go.

1260
01:52:14,760 --> 01:52:21,920
Just because the infrastructure and, well, building 3B in the first West and into the call it, you know,

1261
01:52:22,060 --> 01:52:28,600
a warm embrace of that corner of the airport, that would be the preference just began, you know.

1262
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:41,940
Again, if we could force a tenant or an occupant to take that building first, that is the least desirable of the three sites, because it's further from the road, et cetera, et cetera.

1263
01:52:42,880 --> 01:52:49,560
But to be conditioned upon it, I would hate to lose out on an opportunity that said, hey, we only want the eastern piece.

1264
01:52:49,560 --> 01:52:55,000
Well, we've been pretty considerate on our end as far as the construction of industrial property.

1265
01:52:55,480 --> 01:53:01,160
So I just was curious, because if it's going to be a long, over a few years, you know,

1266
01:53:01,340 --> 01:53:09,140
five, ten-year project, then it would be better on the locals to start further to the west and then move

1267
01:53:09,140 --> 01:53:14,240
east. But anyway, that was just just going it out there for something for you to think about.

1268
01:53:14,240 --> 01:53:18,300
But I don't have anything else. I think that's it.

1269
01:53:19,160 --> 01:53:22,220
So unless you have anything else, you've agreed to everything staffs.

1270
01:53:22,340 --> 01:53:25,500
Oh, sorry. I should have answered that already. Yes.

1271
01:53:25,680 --> 01:53:28,600
We've worked with staff on the conditions of approval.

1272
01:53:29,480 --> 01:53:32,180
And we are fully in support of all those conditions.

1273
01:53:32,920 --> 01:53:35,780
Okay. Okay.

1274
01:53:37,100 --> 01:53:40,120
I think that's it. We're going to move on to public comments.

1275
01:53:41,060 --> 01:53:41,700
So we're going to...

1276
01:53:42,440 --> 01:53:43,020
Got something?

1277
01:53:43,700 --> 01:53:46,380
Okay, so we're gonna close the public hearing.

1278
01:53:46,660 --> 01:53:53,440
I'm sorry, open the public hearing at 7.53, man.

1279
01:53:54,420 --> 01:53:57,880
And get public comments out about 15 cards, maybe more.

1280
01:53:58,500 --> 01:54:00,900
So when you guys speak, you have three minutes.

1281
01:54:01,080 --> 01:54:02,280
We have a clock on you.

1282
01:54:02,500 --> 01:54:05,600
If you're gonna say the same thing as the five other people

1283
01:54:05,600 --> 01:54:09,780
that went before you, just basically say I concur with that comment

1284
01:54:09,780 --> 01:54:12,100
and that you're in favor or you're against that kind of thing,

1285
01:54:12,280 --> 01:54:14,220
so that we don't draw this out.

1286
01:54:14,220 --> 01:54:22,540
Obviously, you're entitled to you three minutes, but in the moving this forward, it would be helpful.

1287
01:54:23,060 --> 01:54:25,480
So the first public card I have is James Jacobs,

1288
01:54:30,690 --> 01:54:32,610
and you can use either of the podiums.

1289
01:54:32,790 --> 01:54:34,610
So wherever you're at, just go to the closest podium.

1290
01:54:35,050 --> 01:54:37,270
Make sure you let us know your name and your address.

1291
01:54:40,560 --> 01:54:43,140
My name is James Jacobs, I'm an Apple Valley resident,

1292
01:54:43,260 --> 01:54:48,020
been living up here almost 29 years at a 25-year pilot out of Apple Valley airport.

1293
01:54:48,020 --> 01:54:55,580
My objection so much is not the warehouse project is the location of that warehouse project.

1294
01:54:56,320 --> 01:55:01,440
As it puts it right underneath the downwind leg of our main runway 1836.

1295
01:55:03,420 --> 01:55:05,340
That can be a problem.

1296
01:55:09,060 --> 01:55:14,020
I see the area to the northwest is pretty much got development

1297
01:55:14,020 --> 01:55:19,760
and with infrastructure in place, and I can't think of why they would want to place something

1298
01:55:19,760 --> 01:55:27,680
so far away from where the current infrastructure would be easily located, but back to the aviation

1299
01:55:27,680 --> 01:55:38,900
side of it, that downwind base leg for our landing on runway 18, for runway 36 can be a problem

1300
01:55:38,900 --> 01:55:41,720
if we have a, if a plane develops a problem,

1301
01:55:42,500 --> 01:55:43,600
trying to put that thing down,

1302
01:55:43,740 --> 01:55:45,540
we may not have a ability to maneuver

1303
01:55:45,540 --> 01:55:48,060
and have an abilving right underneath this,

1304
01:55:49,160 --> 01:55:50,400
it may quite a problem.

1305
01:55:51,200 --> 01:55:52,980
And that's pretty much all I've got to say.

1306
01:55:53,160 --> 01:55:53,960
Thank you.

1307
01:55:54,140 --> 01:55:54,600
Thank you.

1308
01:55:57,160 --> 01:55:58,720
Next we have Jerry Ricker,

1309
01:55:59,400 --> 01:56:01,680
and then after Jerry will be Larry Boostos.

1310
01:56:08,520 --> 01:56:10,300
Jerry's not here, so we're gonna go with,

1311
01:56:11,620 --> 01:56:12,400
Rick Ricker?

1312
01:56:14,080 --> 01:56:15,540
Oh, I'm sorry, I read it wrong.

1313
01:56:16,100 --> 01:56:23,480
Jeffrey Ricker. I'm sorry. Last. Okay. That's fine with me. We're going to go to Larry

1314
01:56:23,480 --> 01:56:25,660
Boostos after Larry is Scott Lacy.

1315
01:56:27,720 --> 01:56:31,600
Okay. Good evening, planning commission and staff. My name is Larry

1316
01:56:31,600 --> 01:56:37,760
Boostos and I'm a 22 year member of the labor union. I am here tonight to speak in support of this project and it's

1317
01:56:40,600 --> 01:56:47,920
This product like this actually it's beneficial to the community as a whole whether it's

1318
01:56:47,920 --> 01:56:54,060
of our workers the infrastructure for the community members but I'm here to talk about

1319
01:56:54,060 --> 01:56:58,140
what it does for our workers specifically that live here in the local area.

1320
01:56:58,600 --> 01:57:01,990
I myself have lived in the high desert community for 20 years almost now.

1321
01:57:02,810 --> 01:57:08,750
And I am honored to speak on behalf of the hundreds of union members that are that live up here as well.

1322
01:57:09,230 --> 01:57:16,230
I know living up here so long driving how it is to drive to San Fernando Valley, LA, Hollywood area every day.

1323
01:57:16,650 --> 01:57:20,810
My kids are grown now but when they are younger and I was on the field I was gone all the time.

1324
01:57:21,230 --> 01:57:31,890
So these products like this that are local are too blessing for our members and our workers because the less time they're out there on the road driving all the way over there to build in a city that they don't live in.

1325
01:57:32,470 --> 01:57:39,550
And now they're able to save money and spend the money here at home and be productive with their children as they grow up.

1326
01:57:39,890 --> 01:57:44,170
Whether it's a week that you're working close to home or five years every day is a blessing.

1327
01:57:44,530 --> 01:57:47,030
Now they're able to go to school events.

1328
01:57:47,290 --> 01:57:49,150
They're able to be coaches and sports.

1329
01:57:49,330 --> 01:57:50,850
They're able to watch their kids grow.

1330
01:57:51,590 --> 01:57:57,890
And then actually be here in the community working, living, and being productive family members.

1331
01:57:59,410 --> 01:58:07,670
So these kind of projects are a blessing for those already current members, but we also these kind of projects are also great for future members.

1332
01:58:08,090 --> 01:58:16,110
Whether it's youth coming out of high school and back in the day, construction was kind of like a third, fourth, fifth option after high school.

1333
01:58:16,110 --> 01:58:23,330
But now it now, times have changed and there's young people in my 10th, 11th, 12th grade, they're saying,

1334
01:58:23,590 --> 01:58:29,730
I want to go to the building trades because of the pain that they have, the wages, the pension, the benefits for their family.

1335
01:58:30,130 --> 01:58:31,710
We're not a third and fourth option anymore.

1336
01:58:32,110 --> 01:58:35,910
We're actually number one option to four of these young people coming out of high school.

1337
01:58:36,250 --> 01:58:37,950
And we are here for them.

1338
01:58:38,270 --> 01:58:40,330
On top of that, we're also here for our veterans.

1339
01:58:40,330 --> 01:58:43,150
that come in that there's maybe military occupation

1340
01:58:43,150 --> 01:58:45,190
doesn't translate to civilian occupation.

1341
01:58:46,070 --> 01:58:48,510
And I've seen that firsthand because when my brother

1342
01:58:48,510 --> 01:58:51,070
came out of the Air Force, he came right into the labor

1343
01:58:51,070 --> 01:58:51,430
union.

1344
01:58:51,910 --> 01:58:54,950
My other brother came out of the Navy right into the labor

1345
01:58:54,950 --> 01:58:55,270
union.

1346
01:58:55,750 --> 01:58:58,270
They served our country and now they're building it.

1347
01:58:58,910 --> 01:59:01,130
And the sense of pride that that brings to an individual

1348
01:59:01,130 --> 01:59:03,790
to them and their household is tremendous.

1349
01:59:06,230 --> 01:59:09,070
So with those future members coming in,

1350
01:59:09,070 --> 01:59:13,870
they enter our apprenticeship program and when responsible developers such as this one

1351
01:59:13,870 --> 01:59:19,450
decides to partner with the building trades, then they're basically partnering with professionals,

1352
01:59:19,790 --> 01:59:24,130
the pros, the best skilled and trained workforce in the world to be honest with you.

1353
01:59:24,410 --> 01:59:39,050
Our labor training school teaches over 100 classes just in itself for apprentices and journeymen to get

1354
01:59:39,050 --> 01:59:43,230
still can't read your handwriting cute Houston friend something.

1355
01:59:45,480 --> 01:59:47,220
Sorry, I can't read it.

1356
01:59:47,260 --> 01:59:48,240
So Scott Lacy?

1357
01:59:48,300 --> 01:59:48,960
Yes, sir.

1358
01:59:49,160 --> 01:59:49,640
Go ahead.

1359
01:59:50,100 --> 01:59:55,900
Hi, good evening, chair and commissioners. My name is Scott. I'm a veteran here. I spent 13 years

1360
01:59:55,900 --> 01:59:59,960
in the Air Force. I left as a major. I live about half mile up central.

1361
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:11,420
This proposed project off of Powahaska and Earl of Mart. Close enough that the project impacts will land directly on my family and my neighbors live right there.

1362
02:00:11,940 --> 02:00:21,440
And so I'm just talking to you about that and asking you to deny the amendment as cited or at a minimum, continue the item for reasons we'll talk about in a second.

1363
02:00:22,000 --> 02:00:28,180
So I want to be clear at front, like, this is an opposition to industrial growth. We need jobs, we need people up here 100% agree with that.

1364
02:00:28,180 --> 02:00:31,940
So we support that, my objection is just where this project is going specifically.

1365
02:00:32,540 --> 02:00:34,160
So let's start with the legal issue first.

1366
02:00:34,500 --> 02:00:39,040
So the towns owned EIR for this project is funds significant unavoidable impacts

1367
02:00:39,040 --> 02:00:41,440
and air quality, noise, and transportation.

1368
02:00:41,760 --> 02:00:43,680
You claim we're mitigated, but aren't.

1369
02:00:44,020 --> 02:00:47,880
Under SQL Public Resources Code Section 21002,

1370
02:00:48,140 --> 02:00:50,720
and the SQL Guidelines Section 15091,

1371
02:00:50,960 --> 02:00:53,020
this Commission cannot, cannot.

1372
02:00:53,020 --> 02:00:55,620
Approve a project with unmedicated significant impacts,

1373
02:00:55,760 --> 02:00:57,480
unless it first finds on the record

1374
02:00:57,480 --> 02:01:03,240
that every feasible mitigation measure and every feasible alternative has been adopted or is genuinely

1375
02:01:03,240 --> 02:01:08,780
infeasible. Only after that can be turned to a statement of overriding considerations under

1376
02:01:08,780 --> 02:01:14,400
guidelines section 15093, and that's meant to be a last resort, not just a formality.

1377
02:01:15,240 --> 02:01:20,240
So I don't believe that finding that finding can honestly be made here, because if feasible

1378
02:01:20,240 --> 02:01:25,580
alternative exists, there's open already designated industrial land north of the airport where

1379
02:01:25,580 --> 02:01:29,320
existing industrial complexes away from any homes.

1380
02:01:29,520 --> 02:01:33,920
There's also an existing vacant commercial building, the big lots facility, it's just sitting there.

1381
02:01:34,560 --> 02:01:38,580
That could absorb this kind of use without putting a single family next to diesel trucks and dock noise.

1382
02:01:39,160 --> 02:01:44,900
And if a less damaging, feasible site is available and hasn't been fully studied and adopted,

1383
02:01:45,440 --> 02:01:48,920
approving this project here does not meet the sequestand or plain and simple.

1384
02:01:49,780 --> 02:01:53,820
Beyond that legal test, I think about significant, what significant and unavoidable means

1385
02:01:53,820 --> 02:01:55,680
to practice for the people who live here.

1386
02:01:55,940 --> 02:01:59,840
This project includes over 500 dock doors, 1500 trailer spaces,

1387
02:02:00,320 --> 02:02:02,880
immediately next to residential neighborhoods, including mine.

1388
02:02:03,320 --> 02:02:05,780
And that means heavy diesel traffic at all hours,

1389
02:02:06,120 --> 02:02:09,300
constant noise, air quality impacts that the towns and reports

1390
02:02:09,300 --> 02:02:11,300
admits that it cannot mitigate.

1391
02:02:11,920 --> 02:02:14,700
My neighbors and I would absorb that every day permanently

1392
02:02:14,700 --> 02:02:17,800
for a project that has better options available to it.

1393
02:02:17,980 --> 02:02:20,240
So we're not asking you to stop industrial development

1394
02:02:20,240 --> 02:02:20,880
in Apple Valley.

1395
02:02:20,940 --> 02:02:21,840
We need it.

1396
02:02:21,840 --> 02:02:27,280
We're asking you to put it where it belongs, north of the airport, vacant spaces, not backed up to people's homes.

1397
02:02:27,720 --> 02:02:34,560
Please deny this amendment as proposed or continue it and direct staff to fully evaluate those alternatives before it comes back to you.

1398
02:02:34,580 --> 02:02:36,980
And by the way, Johnson Road can't handle that traffic.

1399
02:02:37,140 --> 02:02:38,160
I drive it every day.

1400
02:02:38,440 --> 02:02:39,380
It is incredibly crappy.

1401
02:02:40,160 --> 02:02:45,880
So that needs to get fixed if this project was approved because we got stuck behind trucks all day driving that road.

1402
02:02:46,140 --> 02:02:47,360
That at least needs to be widened.

1403
02:02:47,420 --> 02:02:48,220
Thank you.

1404
02:02:48,780 --> 02:02:49,200
Thank you.

1405
02:02:51,320 --> 02:02:55,480
Okay, Linda, help me with your name when you get up there.

1406
02:02:56,300 --> 02:02:57,220
So I can't read it.

1407
02:02:57,580 --> 02:02:57,900
It's what?

1408
02:02:59,280 --> 02:02:59,760
Beanstrom?

1409
02:03:00,440 --> 02:03:01,040
Okay, I just can't.

1410
02:03:01,560 --> 02:03:02,400
It's probably me.

1411
02:03:02,600 --> 02:03:02,960
I'm old.

1412
02:03:04,140 --> 02:03:07,500
So you're up and then after you is Ronald Esplatt,

1413
02:03:10,840 --> 02:03:11,980
do I get that one wrong too?

1414
02:03:13,960 --> 02:03:14,640
Oh, okay.

1415
02:03:20,640 --> 02:03:23,560
Thank you to the commissioners for allowing us to speak.

1416
02:03:24,480 --> 02:03:35,720
My husband and I live in the area that will be impacted by this development and I was interested to find out that my home is now identified as a compound.

1417
02:03:39,260 --> 02:03:52,500
In section 1.2.2 of the project overview, as I read it, the project was established or was defined as

1418
02:03:52,500 --> 02:03:58,020
speculative in nature. I am, am I understanding now that that is not the case?

1419
02:03:59,920 --> 02:04:06,700
What does speculative mean then? What is the estimated cost of this project? And who

1420
02:04:06,700 --> 02:04:13,740
will bear that cost? By the way, I concur with the gentleman in front of me regarding

1421
02:04:13,740 --> 02:04:14,740
his statements.

1422
02:04:18,020 --> 02:04:23,040
What incentives have been developed to draw clients to this site?

1423
02:04:23,040 --> 02:04:44,340
With diesel costs rising, why would a business choose a distribution site that adds 15 to 20 miles round trip to a freeway when there are existing sites being built completely adjacent to the highway to a freeway 15?

1424
02:04:46,390 --> 02:04:55,330
In the current economic situation that we find ourselves in, with the Fed raising interest rates today by a quarter percent,

1425
02:04:55,730 --> 02:05:00,370
is considering, even considering an investment like this in the town of Apple Valley,

1426
02:05:01,950 --> 02:05:05,890
a wise and responsible stewardship of our land.

1427
02:05:08,120 --> 02:05:14,720
And finally, regarding the volume of traffic that we will experience.

1428
02:05:14,720 --> 02:05:22,360
The projected time to construct this, again, taken from the proposal that I read on the Apple

1429
02:05:22,360 --> 02:05:30,740
Valley website, the projected time to excuse me to construct this project is 57 months.

1430
02:05:31,480 --> 02:05:33,160
That's just construction time.

1431
02:05:34,400 --> 02:05:41,720
In that 57 months, the annual estimates of vehicle traffic would be 5,500,000 vehicle

1432
02:05:41,720 --> 02:05:47,160
miles occurring along the roadways that involve this construction project, which would

1433
02:05:47,160 --> 02:05:51,460
be primarily central, Walu and Johnson Road, I would presume.

1434
02:05:52,700 --> 02:05:55,820
That is just during construction.

1435
02:06:00,400 --> 02:06:07,160
Finally, if it was finalized and in full development phase, the estimate for traffic would

1436
02:06:08,380 --> 02:06:15,240
118 million additional vehicle miles per year in addition to what we have.

1437
02:06:15,660 --> 02:06:22,240
We cannot absorb that volume of traffic with our current roads and to even think about

1438
02:06:22,240 --> 02:06:26,340
living in an area with six lane highways.

1439
02:06:27,640 --> 02:06:27,880
I cannot.

1440
02:06:28,180 --> 02:06:29,320
Thank you.

1441
02:06:29,960 --> 02:06:33,680
Ronald S. Plot after Ronald is Eddie Compos.

1442
02:06:44,630 --> 02:06:49,630
My name is Ronald Esport and I actually go by Ronnie.

1443
02:06:51,550 --> 02:06:56,870
I have been in the high desert for about 20 years and I've retired from an aerospace career

1444
02:06:56,870 --> 02:07:03,430
and I've worked with youth in education for modeling aviation and aircraft.

1445
02:07:04,670 --> 02:07:08,410
This plan would make the Apple Valley Airport unsafe.

1446
02:07:09,050 --> 02:07:14,350
The air turbulence that could create over a 50-foot building are unsafe.

1447
02:07:14,710 --> 02:07:18,250
We have air currents different than a lot of other airports.

1448
02:07:19,150 --> 02:07:27,690
Air could flow through those buildings, creating turbulence that would flip low-speed small aircraft.

1449
02:07:28,450 --> 02:07:29,970
So how many of those do you accept?

1450
02:07:30,050 --> 02:07:43,050
But as possible, injuries. I will not allow children to get on planes at this is built at this airport. It is that dangerous. Thank you.

1451
02:07:43,210 --> 02:07:43,790
Thank you.

1452
02:07:46,590 --> 02:07:50,150
Any compos? And then after Eddie is Ali Cross-White?

1453
02:07:55,580 --> 02:08:00,720
Good evening, Commissioner. My name is Eddie Kumpos. I'm a representative of the Wester State Regional Council of Carpenters.

1454
02:08:02,080 --> 02:08:07,940
representing about 2000 members I live in the high-dissident area. I was in the

1455
02:08:07,940 --> 02:08:12,240
touch on what my brother touched on earlier. The travel times that our

1456
02:08:12,240 --> 02:08:17,700
families miss out on when we're gone on the roads. He already spoke about that.

1457
02:08:18,240 --> 02:08:23,640
So with that being said, the good jobs, the good pain jobs that it's going to

1458
02:08:23,640 --> 02:08:27,120
be into this area. Yes, a lot of people say it's construction. You're going to be

1459
02:08:27,120 --> 02:08:28,860
You're going to be gone, but that's not true.

1460
02:08:29,240 --> 02:08:31,380
All these brothers here are live in the High Desert.

1461
02:08:31,840 --> 02:08:34,920
They would love to be able to work up here.

1462
02:08:35,300 --> 02:08:36,740
And of course, it's going to create more jobs.

1463
02:08:37,060 --> 02:08:40,000
With creating more jobs, it's going to increase construction.

1464
02:08:40,440 --> 02:08:41,940
And we're going to find ourselves working up here

1465
02:08:41,940 --> 02:08:43,540
for the next 20 years of our lives.

1466
02:08:44,020 --> 02:08:48,160
Most of us work 20 years down in the LA, down in San Diego,

1467
02:08:48,960 --> 02:08:53,480
as far as national city, as far as Ventura County.

1468
02:08:54,260 --> 02:08:54,920
You've been up here.

1469
02:08:54,920 --> 02:08:58,640
That's, that's, that's, that's a stream of your family, right?

1470
02:08:59,640 --> 02:09:07,600
And also, the, the, the, the gateway that it's giving your, your young people that are, that are just getting out of high school, the brother touchdown and it's true.

1471
02:09:08,000 --> 02:09:13,380
We got a great program career connections at the CTE program here in your, in your high school's year and up of value.

1472
02:09:13,920 --> 02:09:21,040
That's giving the opportunity for these young men and women that are going through this program that want to, that want to, that want to make construction in the career.

1473
02:09:21,040 --> 02:09:25,540
They're going to have the opportunity to step out of the house and go to work down the street.

1474
02:09:25,960 --> 02:09:27,320
I always touch young people.

1475
02:09:28,500 --> 02:09:34,420
The dream of ours is that they will never feel what it is to drive 2.5 hours to job

1476
02:09:34,420 --> 02:09:42,520
and 3.5 hours home that their biggest way is going to be to drive to their job sites 30 minutes.

1477
02:09:43,260 --> 02:09:47,500
That's a dream of any and every construction worker and any of the brothers here.

1478
02:09:47,500 --> 02:09:57,420
So with that being said, this developer has a good track record of being in us together and bringing good being jobs to the community.

1479
02:09:58,280 --> 02:10:02,240
So with that, please accept this project and bring it to Apple Valley.

1480
02:10:02,460 --> 02:10:03,620
Thank you.

1481
02:10:03,880 --> 02:10:04,320
Thank you.

1482
02:10:08,720 --> 02:10:10,360
Okay, Ellie Cross.

1483
02:10:11,000 --> 02:10:15,180
Cross-white and Andrea Willow will be after Ellie.

1484
02:10:15,820 --> 02:10:16,580
Got my name right.

1485
02:10:16,900 --> 02:10:17,220
That's great.

1486
02:10:17,720 --> 02:10:19,480
Okay, so hi, my name is Ellie Cross-white.

1487
02:10:19,480 --> 02:10:24,700
Um, I'm here to voice some concerns regarding the proposed obviously like Creek logistics center.

1488
02:10:25,180 --> 02:10:28,800
My husband and I both grew up in the height desert, so it's nothing new to us.

1489
02:10:29,100 --> 02:10:32,300
When we started a family, we did want something with a little bit more space,

1490
02:10:32,600 --> 02:10:36,700
so when our realtor showed us our North Apple Valley home, I knew it was it.

1491
02:10:37,420 --> 02:10:40,720
Um, I did experience a little bit of culture shock with that because, you know, obviously,

1492
02:10:41,060 --> 02:10:45,640
I had um, wildlife that I've never had to see before like I've never seen before

1493
02:10:45,640 --> 02:10:48,540
and everything took like an additional 10 minutes.

1494
02:10:48,540 --> 02:10:54,440
But what quickly pulled me out of that culture shock was the fact that I mean what everything

1495
02:10:54,440 --> 02:10:55,720
that needs this area special.

1496
02:10:56,180 --> 02:11:02,400
So we got the planes from the airport, we have just the sunsets and just the views.

1497
02:11:02,620 --> 02:11:06,400
They were all just so amazing and I quickly got over my culture shock.

1498
02:11:07,140 --> 02:11:13,040
So I will say that these are the reasons that we move to Apple Valley and specifically North

1499
02:11:13,040 --> 02:11:18,320
Apple Valley and I have such a hard time understanding how a project of this size can

1500
02:11:18,320 --> 02:11:24,540
for it without considering it's impact on the people that argue live here. The proposed site is

1501
02:11:24,540 --> 02:11:32,920
3.4 million square feet of buildings and it sits 500 feet within somebody's door. I live a

1502
02:11:32,920 --> 02:11:39,440
quarter mile from the proposed site and I have never received one notification from that Lake Creek

1503
02:11:39,440 --> 02:11:47,960
Incorporation about what their project was really going to be about. It's not limited to just the homes

1504
02:11:47,960 --> 02:11:53,560
are directly affected. It affects everybody in North Apple Valley's view. I mean, not even just

1505
02:11:53,560 --> 02:11:59,260
like the immediate ones we're talking about this can be seen for miles. I do have some

1506
02:11:59,260 --> 02:12:05,860
concerns about the project specifically about water in my pollution with regards to, I concur

1507
02:12:05,860 --> 02:12:12,080
with everything else that everybody else has been saying. I will say that liberty usually is supposed

1508
02:12:12,080 --> 02:12:19,080
be the water company that's going to supply this. And they use the same water supply from the

1509
02:12:19,080 --> 02:12:24,880
basins that we use with our own wells. So it's definitely concerning to me that we could

1510
02:12:24,880 --> 02:12:29,920
end up with a dry well because they have a well as maybe a little bit deeper. So it's super

1511
02:12:29,920 --> 02:12:36,960
costly to dig wells even deeper. So I'm just very concerned about that and then also the light

1512
02:12:36,960 --> 02:12:45,900
We are at a little bit of a higher elevation, so I'm thinking more like it's going to reflect a little bit more than what they proposed.

1513
02:12:46,600 --> 02:12:52,880
So I would like to look at like maybe more of a 3D analysis than their little TD model that they decided to do.

1514
02:12:54,540 --> 02:13:01,620
But those are my concerns and I just would like them on the record. Thank you.

1515
02:13:01,620 --> 02:13:03,360
Thank you.

1516
02:13:04,040 --> 02:13:07,460
Andrea Willow after Andrea is Johnny Escabito.

1517
02:13:10,260 --> 02:13:13,040
Okay, my name is Andrea Willow.

1518
02:13:13,360 --> 02:13:17,700
I've been living up here for 16 years.

1519
02:13:18,860 --> 02:13:30,160
I'm kind of in shock about the possibilities of a six-lane highway right adjacent to my property.

1520
02:13:30,160 --> 02:13:35,980
There are two lanes right now and they're terrible.

1521
02:13:36,620 --> 02:13:38,380
There's buses or not buses.

1522
02:13:38,780 --> 02:13:46,500
There's trucks, cement trucks, Walmart trucks that go up and down.

1523
02:13:47,740 --> 02:13:59,680
So the idea of probably infringing on my space in order to accommodate this project is very

1524
02:13:59,680 --> 02:14:07,120
disturbing. The other thing I know it's the other two projects before this that was

1525
02:14:07,120 --> 02:14:19,180
like 253 potential new houses. Where is all this water coming from? Horses, drink water.

1526
02:14:19,900 --> 02:14:22,020
Who's going to pick up the horse poop?

1527
02:14:24,280 --> 02:14:24,380
Okay.

1528
02:14:27,240 --> 02:14:31,140
I also wanted to know, you're talking

1529
02:14:31,140 --> 02:14:38,160
about 20 years from now. Well, it looks like the robots are going to be taking over.

1530
02:14:41,010 --> 02:14:41,210
I mean,

1531
02:14:41,450 --> 02:14:50,510
I hope not, but it's a possibility. So you're going to have all these spaces with robots.

1532
02:14:51,370 --> 02:14:55,610
Okay, maybe they don't make so much of a mess, and maybe they don't drive. I don't know.

1533
02:14:55,610 --> 02:14:59,970
But, you know, I, I,

1534
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:13,980
I guess that 81, I've lived through the best times, the best times that I'm aware of. And I don't believe any

1535
02:15:16,380 --> 02:15:28,600
rich organization when they talk to people, regular people, everything will be okay, everything will be beautiful, there will be 3,000 jobs, how do they know?

1536
02:15:28,600 --> 02:15:36,800
How do they know, or how do we know that they don't have a plan to extend the size of the airport?

1537
02:15:37,640 --> 02:15:46,080
Because there's, you know, for planes larger than what currently is using that airport.

1538
02:15:46,880 --> 02:15:57,380
And I'm really tired of these large companies just kind of bombarding their way into quiet rural communities

1539
02:15:57,380 --> 02:15:59,240
because they can.

1540
02:16:01,300 --> 02:16:08,620
And this is what I have to say. I concur with everybody so far that is said

1541
02:16:08,620 --> 02:16:15,760
something about this project and I don't see a need for this project. I mean I'm not a business

1542
02:16:15,760 --> 02:16:21,940
person anymore. That's time. Oh, okay. Adios, thank you.

1543
02:16:22,960 --> 02:16:28,620
Thank you. Okay, Johnny Escobito, after Johnny is Amy Smith.

1544
02:16:32,550 --> 02:16:35,610
Good evening, Chairman, council members, and local residents.

1545
02:16:37,210 --> 02:16:45,330
As you can see, all of our brothers here in the construction industry are for this project. Everybody's talked about everything and I'm not going to be redundant.

1546
02:16:45,330 --> 02:16:51,670
But what nobody has talked about is, you know, that the developer has committed to bringing

1547
02:16:51,670 --> 02:16:56,570
on unions that pay a livable wages with pensions and annuities.

1548
02:16:57,290 --> 02:17:02,130
So with that being said, that's giving the local residents money to be able to reinvest

1549
02:17:02,130 --> 02:17:03,550
into their own communities here.

1550
02:17:03,910 --> 02:17:10,630
As you can see, the freeways, okay, please no adverse, just let them talk, they're letting

1551
02:17:10,630 --> 02:17:11,630
you talk.

1552
02:17:11,990 --> 02:17:12,490
Go ahead.

1553
02:17:12,490 --> 02:17:16,430
As you can see, the freeways are being expanded for a reason.

1554
02:17:16,610 --> 02:17:19,250
Growth is inevitable. Growth is inevitable everywhere.

1555
02:17:19,390 --> 02:17:22,670
Special here in California, with all the building that needs to happen.

1556
02:17:23,310 --> 02:17:26,770
Not just industrially, but also with the home crisis that we have.

1557
02:17:27,550 --> 02:17:30,590
So with that, I ask that, you know what?

1558
02:17:30,590 --> 02:17:36,410
You push us forward and you let us do what we do best and build things the right way.

1559
02:17:36,670 --> 02:17:40,470
On top of that, I'd also like to add, I actually have a local retiree here.

1560
02:17:40,470 --> 02:17:45,270
that has because he's had to travel down self been in three vehicle accidents.

1561
02:17:45,990 --> 02:17:52,330
So it's about safety as well, not just for our members, but also for the community and for everybody around.

1562
02:17:52,750 --> 02:17:53,210
Thank you for your time.

1563
02:17:54,270 --> 02:17:54,910
Thank you.

1564
02:17:56,860 --> 02:18:00,020
Amy Smith after Amy is Amanda Wake.

1565
02:18:07,670 --> 02:18:08,110
Good evening.

1566
02:18:08,370 --> 02:18:11,450
My name is Amy Smith and I'm a representative of care caliphania.

1567
02:18:12,110 --> 02:18:16,090
And we're here to support this project and to ask for your yes votes tonight.

1568
02:18:16,090 --> 02:18:21,530
This project holds the pieces that are needed to create an amazing development for the city.

1569
02:18:22,270 --> 02:18:31,110
The creation of jobs and economic growth is a phenomenal and great addition for the city and will prove to be beneficial in many ways.

1570
02:18:31,470 --> 02:18:35,450
California's commercial and industrial power makes us so vital to our country.

1571
02:18:35,870 --> 02:18:44,510
And it's clear that Apple Valley is working towards assuring that the city continues to have an important place and strength in the strength for many years to come.

1572
02:18:44,510 --> 02:18:50,490
Because of this and so much more, we support this project and the many benefits to the city, the state and our country.

1573
02:18:51,070 --> 02:18:54,250
For this, we say ask you to say yes tonight and have a wonderful evening.

1574
02:18:55,310 --> 02:18:58,060
Thank you.

1575
02:18:58,600 --> 02:19:01,100
Amanda Wake and then after Amanda is Jacob Wake.

1576
02:19:02,120 --> 02:19:02,840
Good evening.

1577
02:19:02,860 --> 02:19:03,880
My name is Amanda Wake.

1578
02:19:04,240 --> 02:19:05,440
I actually grew up here in Apple Valley.

1579
02:19:05,980 --> 02:19:07,360
So I also am a mom.

1580
02:19:08,580 --> 02:19:10,180
And science teacher here in the high desert.

1581
02:19:10,840 --> 02:19:14,720
We actually chose to raise our family in Apple Valley because we wanted this space.

1582
02:19:14,720 --> 02:19:20,580
the quiet, the rural lifestyle, my twin sister, she nailed it with culture shock. It was definitely

1583
02:19:20,580 --> 02:19:25,420
different, but we really much enjoy it now. We invested in this community because we thought

1584
02:19:25,420 --> 02:19:29,960
this is where we'd spend forever. That's why I'm so disappointed that I didn't fully understand

1585
02:19:29,960 --> 02:19:34,600
the size of the project or how much it could affect our neighborhood until it was already this far along.

1586
02:19:35,520 --> 02:19:39,900
I have spent multiple days off, I don't have a lot of days off, but I spent multiple days off

1587
02:19:40,560 --> 02:19:44,600
basically, sifting through documents and trying to understand the magnitude of this project.

1588
02:19:45,320 --> 02:19:49,660
I started talking to my neighbors, not normally something we do in North Apple Valley,

1589
02:19:50,720 --> 02:19:56,880
but I've spoken with approximately 75 residents, and the overwhelming majority had no idea this was even being proposed,

1590
02:19:57,320 --> 02:19:59,980
and most of them actually told me they never received a notice.

1591
02:20:00,940 --> 02:20:05,980
Next, I spoke with the town planning department because I wanted to understand why were they not notified.

1592
02:20:05,980 --> 02:20:10,900
Well, my property extends to central directly across from the project, which is probably why

1593
02:20:10,900 --> 02:20:11,720
I saved a notice.

1594
02:20:12,280 --> 02:20:15,620
But when I looked into the notification map, much of the area included vacant land

1595
02:20:15,620 --> 02:20:19,800
and airport property, with only a relatively small number of homes that were included.

1596
02:20:20,640 --> 02:20:25,340
I understand the town may have met a legal notification requirement, or I'm not sure who's

1597
02:20:25,340 --> 02:20:26,020
in charge of that.

1598
02:20:26,320 --> 02:20:31,600
But meeting a requirement and meaningfully engaging people with what basically who will be

1599
02:20:31,600 --> 02:20:34,200
affected are not necessarily the same thing.

1600
02:20:34,200 --> 02:20:38,160
Residents shouldn't have to become experts in secret, now that I know how to say it,

1601
02:20:38,320 --> 02:20:42,600
and land use planning just to realize that something being considered could fundamentally change

1602
02:20:42,600 --> 02:20:47,420
where we live. As teachers, when we want to make changes that a school we bring in all of the

1603
02:20:47,420 --> 02:20:52,500
stakeholders, okay? We have to ask questions, listen, make sure that everyone has a voice.

1604
02:20:53,060 --> 02:20:58,040
And I wish I felt like that happened here. In my opinion, and again, I don't know who is in charge

1605
02:20:58,040 --> 02:21:04,180
of this, but I'm assuming it's a joint effort. But I feel like the town residents, like it

1606
02:21:04,180 --> 02:21:09,380
of never made it this far if people were actually informed. I understand much of this property is

1607
02:21:09,380 --> 02:21:13,500
already designated as industrial. We got that, we knew that going into our property, but just

1608
02:21:13,500 --> 02:21:20,320
because it's industrial is allowed. Doesn't mean every industrial project is appropriate for the area.

1609
02:21:21,060 --> 02:21:25,620
There's a huge difference between a reasonable industrial development and a 3.4 million square

1610
02:21:25,620 --> 02:21:30,140
foot logistics development besides a rural neighborhood. It is not just the cluster of houses.

1611
02:21:30,140 --> 02:21:35,800
It is an entire like again. I only hit 75 houses. You're in a fire. Okay, so I see

1612
02:21:35,800 --> 02:21:39,760
I have serious concerns about the traffic noise air quality lighting water desert habitat

1613
02:21:39,760 --> 02:21:43,460
Reviews property values feature tenants and long-term enforcement and yes

1614
02:21:43,460 --> 02:21:45,580
I understand you guys get jobs and that is wonderful

1615
02:21:45,580 --> 02:21:50,380
But I don't want it to be a vacant warehouse. It should not sit there without tenants being known

1616
02:21:50,380 --> 02:21:54,480
Okay, jobs matter growth matters. I get that but before a decision is made

1617
02:21:54,480 --> 02:21:56,280
I ask you that you please

1618
02:21:56,280 --> 02:22:03,260
Generally informed the public, okay, and have all of these answers heard before this project cannot be undone.

1619
02:22:03,360 --> 02:22:04,280
Thank you.

1620
02:22:05,200 --> 02:22:06,280
Thank you.

1621
02:22:07,160 --> 02:22:08,220
Take a break.

1622
02:22:09,900 --> 02:22:12,340
After Jacob is Louie Lopez.

1623
02:22:16,720 --> 02:22:17,800
Hello, I'm Jacob Wake.

1624
02:22:17,900 --> 02:22:19,680
I'm a man to wake, so I've been.

1625
02:22:21,060 --> 02:22:24,160
I really enjoy the quiet outside.

1626
02:22:24,640 --> 02:22:27,460
I enjoy seeing the little batch fly around.

1627
02:22:27,460 --> 02:22:29,980
I enjoy my family coming.

1628
02:22:30,000 --> 02:22:37,080
Being out and enjoying that with me, the fireworks at the Fourth of July, and with a huge project like

1629
02:22:37,080 --> 02:22:44,360
this, it would be very hard to enjoy those same things in the same way. The quiet is going to

1630
02:22:44,360 --> 02:22:52,940
be disrupted by the vehicle traffic along that road. And I worry about our water and

1631
02:22:52,940 --> 02:22:58,480
enduring a death by a thousand cuts because of the amount of industrial projects coming into

1632
02:22:58,480 --> 02:22:59,360
neighborhoods.

1633
02:23:06,840 --> 02:23:12,940
Beyond the utilities, and I think many of these things were said, you have

1634
02:23:12,940 --> 02:23:22,420
4,500 parking spots, 548 loading base that will add night glow to the high desert skies.

1635
02:23:24,880 --> 02:23:31,540
I don't want to be out in the backyard and trying to enjoy the night sky when I

1636
02:23:31,540 --> 02:23:34,000
I see as a glow from an industrial building.

1637
02:23:34,780 --> 02:23:37,820
I realize that there are downward facing lights.

1638
02:23:38,180 --> 02:23:42,180
However, the light also reflects back up from those roadways.

1639
02:23:42,780 --> 02:23:46,940
And you will have trucks that are going to be in that area

1640
02:23:46,940 --> 02:23:48,360
with their lights on.

1641
02:23:48,640 --> 02:23:51,200
Are there going to be quiet time set aside?

1642
02:23:51,500 --> 02:23:54,960
Are there going to be low light time set aside?

1643
02:23:56,700 --> 02:24:00,800
Power, we have power issues in our area.

1644
02:24:00,800 --> 02:24:07,900
When it rains, the power does go out for long periods of time, wasn't it just this past weekend?

1645
02:24:09,980 --> 02:24:10,160
Yeah.

1646
02:24:11,380 --> 02:24:22,620
So, if this project moves forward in that area, I would ask for firm conditions requiring real-time

1647
02:24:22,620 --> 02:24:29,720
metering for water hookups with hard yearly caps and real penalties for going over the amount

1648
02:24:29,720 --> 02:24:36,620
water that they use, require smart metering with Southern California Edison and off-peak

1649
02:24:36,620 --> 02:24:39,140
charging schedules for their truck fleets.

1650
02:24:40,320 --> 02:24:47,860
I require 72 hours of continuous noise monitoring and nighttime bat surveys because I like

1651
02:24:47,860 --> 02:24:50,920
my bats or like watching them.

1652
02:24:54,640 --> 02:25:00,780
Please don't approve this final EIR until these studies and firm conditions are in place.

1653
02:25:01,580 --> 02:25:01,920
Thank you.

1654
02:25:04,440 --> 02:25:04,800
Thank you.

1655
02:25:05,000 --> 02:25:06,180
Next we have Louis Lopez.

1656
02:25:06,420 --> 02:25:09,000
Louis will be followed by Chris Crosswhite.

1657
02:25:15,670 --> 02:25:16,090
Good evening.

1658
02:25:16,410 --> 02:25:17,150
My name is Louis Lopez.

1659
02:25:17,310 --> 02:25:19,810
I'm a business agent for the Iron Workers Local 433.

1660
02:25:20,490 --> 02:25:23,590
I also happen to sit on workforce development board for the county of San Bernardino.

1661
02:25:24,030 --> 02:25:28,190
So I see up close the need in this county

1662
02:25:28,190 --> 02:25:31,710
for not just job but good jobs.

1663
02:25:32,210 --> 02:25:35,870
And these warehouses not only bring jobs for the construction,

1664
02:25:36,590 --> 02:25:38,510
but there's actually a lot of jobs,

1665
02:25:39,010 --> 02:25:42,430
HR management, finance, engineering, IT jobs sales,

1666
02:25:42,710 --> 02:25:47,010
and more that these warehouses offer.

1667
02:25:47,630 --> 02:25:49,570
I raised eight daughters up here in the high desert.

1668
02:25:49,830 --> 02:25:52,470
All aid, I'm graduated from a Spareya High School.

1669
02:25:53,510 --> 02:25:55,750
Luckily, I only have two grandkids right now,

1670
02:25:55,870 --> 02:25:57,130
so they're pursuing school.

1671
02:25:57,130 --> 02:26:06,670
The only thing is I do got one that goes to Victor Valley, the rest of them go to go down the San Bernardino, one at Cal Baptist, but they all worked down the hill.

1672
02:26:07,450 --> 02:26:18,310
So I see, because I've also experienced it, you know, the stress, the wear and tear of traveling back and down, down the hill.

1673
02:26:18,310 --> 02:26:25,230
This morning on that back line back there, these men and women actually just came from a project

1674
02:26:25,230 --> 02:26:25,870
in Hinkley.

1675
02:26:26,370 --> 02:26:32,150
They're doing the solar project out there, so they're trying to get energy to this high

1676
02:26:32,150 --> 02:26:34,570
desert also at the same time as it grows.

1677
02:26:36,450 --> 02:26:38,270
There's been a lot of great discussion here.

1678
02:26:39,270 --> 02:26:43,730
I do want to comment on the beautiful young lady up front, rock in the purple hair.

1679
02:26:43,730 --> 02:26:49,110
I got a member out here with color hair and can't rock it like you do, but you have

1680
02:26:49,110 --> 02:26:56,790
you said something very good and I agree, you probably live during one of the greater

1681
02:26:56,790 --> 02:27:06,850
generations and as generations gone on they've gotten worse and as a parent, okay, I've

1682
02:27:06,850 --> 02:27:13,390
lived like my life now. Now I've got to prepare it for my kids and the generation

1683
02:27:13,390 --> 02:27:19,530
come and their children's children. And living up here in the high desert, it's tough finding

1684
02:27:19,530 --> 02:27:24,690
finding, finding jobs up here. I know a lot of people that their children had to move to another

1685
02:27:24,690 --> 02:27:31,570
state, their grandkids live in another state as they get older, as we get older, it's tougher

1686
02:27:31,570 --> 02:27:38,830
to travel. So they're not seeing their families. The families have broken because of work.

1687
02:27:38,830 --> 02:27:45,270
So, for me, I'm going to continue to fight to keep my family close to home.

1688
02:27:45,530 --> 02:27:46,470
I think it's important.

1689
02:27:48,250 --> 02:27:55,190
So, I'm also looking in the future for the generations to come.

1690
02:27:55,510 --> 02:28:02,290
As a planning commission, I know you guys are here to make sure that the standards and everything's up to code for a project.

1691
02:28:02,290 --> 02:28:11,850
I asked that, as a planning commission tonight, that you send this with the adoptions to the city council.

1692
02:28:12,370 --> 02:28:14,890
Let those that are voted in here from the community.

1693
02:28:15,770 --> 02:28:17,510
Thank you.

1694
02:28:17,570 --> 02:28:18,450
Thank you.

1695
02:28:20,350 --> 02:28:21,510
Chris Crosswhite.

1696
02:28:22,130 --> 02:28:23,730
After Chris will be Lacy Kerns.

1697
02:28:35,450 --> 02:28:35,910
Excuse me.

1698
02:28:36,870 --> 02:28:39,170
Good evening, Chairman, commissioners.

1699
02:28:39,290 --> 02:28:39,670
I apologize.

1700
02:28:40,130 --> 02:28:42,030
I haven't had water in like an hour and a half.

1701
02:28:43,050 --> 02:28:44,510
My name is Chris Crosswhite.

1702
02:28:44,550 --> 02:28:50,210
I live in the community where this building is being proposed and within an extreme proximity

1703
02:28:50,210 --> 02:28:51,090
of that building.

1704
02:28:52,410 --> 02:28:57,350
I'm here tonight to state clearly and unequivocally that I completely oppose placing a nearly

1705
02:28:57,350 --> 02:29:02,670
three and a half million foot square foot industrial warehouse in our rural community.

1706
02:29:03,710 --> 02:29:08,850
No amount of mitigation, buffering or fancy sight plans can fix the fact that a mega industrial

1707
02:29:08,850 --> 02:29:12,930
facility does not belong in a rural residential neighborhood.

1708
02:29:14,190 --> 02:29:17,170
First, this project will distract our local traffic safety.

1709
02:29:17,730 --> 02:29:21,550
The facility of this massive scale will flood our narrow two-lane rural roads, with

1710
02:29:21,550 --> 02:29:25,410
thousands of heavy semi trucks, and trailers every single day.

1711
02:29:26,070 --> 02:29:30,770
Regardless of whether their central road or while the road is already a dedicated trucking

1712
02:29:30,770 --> 02:29:34,930
route, which they are, adding traffic traffic on this scale to residential corridors

1713
02:29:34,930 --> 02:29:40,370
create severe traffic safety hazards for local families, especially those with young children

1714
02:29:40,370 --> 02:29:46,550
like we have, and inexperienced or new drivers. It also causes immediate irreversible damage

1715
02:29:46,550 --> 02:29:51,490
to the roadways that are already in poor condition. Second, this warehouse threatens our public

1716
02:29:51,490 --> 02:29:58,990
safety. Facilities of this size act as major crime magnets, attracting cargo theft, trespassing,

1717
02:29:59,430 --> 02:29:59,970
vehicle and rest

1718
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:05,860
Presidential break-ins, narcotics activity, and illegal truck staging along peripheral streets. I'm

1719
02:30:05,860 --> 02:30:10,320
a sergeant with the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department. I served the Apple

1720
02:30:10,320 --> 02:30:14,680
bout or the town of Apple Valley as a deputy sheriff for 10 years. I served this community.

1721
02:30:15,820 --> 02:30:18,900
We're a law enforcement agencies are already stretched thin covering the wide geographic

1722
02:30:18,900 --> 02:30:24,060
areas. Blending our neighborhood with industrial traffic and daily calls for service will

1723
02:30:24,060 --> 02:30:29,320
drain local police resources, driving up emergency response times for the families who desperately

1724
02:30:29,320 --> 02:30:34,900
need the resources. Bottom line, our community will suffer. Third, this project

1725
02:30:34,900 --> 02:30:38,800
permanently wipes out our property values and quality of life. Homers, homeowners

1726
02:30:38,800 --> 02:30:44,000
invested in this rural area, specifically for quiet surroundings, open skies, clean air.

1727
02:30:44,300 --> 02:30:48,800
Real estate research is very clear, dropping a massive industrial operation into

1728
02:30:48,800 --> 02:30:53,260
a quiet community creates a severe dis amenity effect that destroys residential

1729
02:30:53,260 --> 02:30:59,240
home equity. We will be left with continuous low frequency noise, 24-7 light

1730
02:30:59,240 --> 02:31:03,080
pollution, diesel exhaust fumes, and the risk of runoff contaminating local

1731
02:31:03,080 --> 02:31:08,720
groundwater wells, which many of us rely on. Commissioners, it is your duty to

1732
02:31:08,720 --> 02:31:11,900
protect health, safety, character, and investments of the residents who built

1733
02:31:11,900 --> 02:31:18,260
this community. Not to turn our quiet rural home into an industrial truck hub. This

1734
02:31:18,260 --> 02:31:23,060
project is fundamentally incompatible with our land use and our way of life.

1735
02:31:24,380 --> 02:31:28,660
On behalf of the surrounding homeowners, I urge you to consider how you would vote if you

1736
02:31:28,660 --> 02:31:32,440
were the ones who lived in this area and would be affected by this.

1737
02:31:32,680 --> 02:31:36,780
And I ask you to stand with your residents and deny the zoning changes and permit applications

1738
02:31:36,780 --> 02:31:37,520
for this site.

1739
02:31:38,180 --> 02:31:40,520
Lastly, I appreciate all the guys in the orange vests.

1740
02:31:40,680 --> 02:31:41,160
I really do.

1741
02:31:41,240 --> 02:31:41,880
You guys are awesome.

1742
02:31:42,040 --> 02:31:42,740
You guys work hard.

1743
02:31:43,120 --> 02:31:44,680
I appreciate you, but just not this location.

1744
02:31:44,680 --> 02:31:45,680
Thank you.

1745
02:31:47,920 --> 02:31:48,040
Thank you.

1746
02:31:49,040 --> 02:31:49,400
Thank you.

1747
02:31:49,500 --> 02:31:50,260
Casey Currence.

1748
02:31:51,040 --> 02:31:53,100
Dr. Lacy is Christopher Beaks.

1749
02:31:58,650 --> 02:31:59,550
Hello, commissioners.

1750
02:31:59,990 --> 02:32:00,930
My name is Lacy Currence.

1751
02:32:00,970 --> 02:32:06,970
Thank you in advance for taking that time to listen to me for a moment regarding the

1752
02:32:06,970 --> 02:32:08,950
like Creek Logistics Center.

1753
02:32:09,130 --> 02:32:12,050
I have lived here my whole life.

1754
02:32:13,630 --> 02:32:15,470
I am an appivalli high school graduate.

1755
02:32:15,810 --> 02:32:18,090
My husband is a half of alli high school graduate.

1756
02:32:19,150 --> 02:32:27,970
I've seen the change, I've seen the growth, I'm raising my own children and one of my favorite spots in Apple Valley.

1757
02:32:29,190 --> 02:32:39,490
I live approximately 750 to 1,000 feet away from dead center of where this project is proposed to be built.

1758
02:32:40,230 --> 02:32:45,950
Do you not think that this will take us in the right direction if this project is set to

1759
02:32:45,950 --> 02:32:46,690
commence?

1760
02:32:48,150 --> 02:32:50,190
It is proposing, the

1761
02:32:54,220 --> 02:32:58,140
town is proposing an industrialized area that may be zoned industrial,

1762
02:32:58,980 --> 02:33:12,420
but is opposite a very large community called Sikymor Rocks and Sikymor Heights that it

1763
02:33:12,420 --> 02:33:21,260
But this place is being proposed to be built a stone's throw away from a currently large and

1764
02:33:21,260 --> 02:33:27,900
dusty industrial facility that has been sitting empty for over or about two years.

1765
02:33:28,580 --> 02:33:34,560
This building is half the size of what the proposed buildings are supposed to be.

1766
02:33:36,330 --> 02:33:42,690
If these measures, what are these measures that the town is proposing that are going to

1767
02:33:42,690 --> 02:33:48,270
change if this project goes through. Google Gemini states that this project will have

1768
02:33:48,270 --> 02:33:53,530
significant or unavoidable changes to the residential area if we allow this project

1769
02:33:53,530 --> 02:34:00,050
to come to fruition. Not only will this diminish home value, it will bring an

1770
02:34:00,050 --> 02:34:07,950
extreme traffic, will affect water tables and aquifers, the pollution, all various

1771
02:34:07,950 --> 02:34:15,910
types will exist forever as long as they're there once it's built.

1772
02:34:17,210 --> 02:34:22,910
This isn't even taking into consideration once the project is finished, all of the people

1773
02:34:22,910 --> 02:34:26,390
that will come and what they will cause.

1774
02:34:27,130 --> 02:34:32,930
I do not feel this is in the best interest of conserving and maintaining our town of Apple Valley.

1775
02:34:32,930 --> 02:34:40,030
is changing growth inevitable, of course, but can we as citizens hone in on where and how that growth comes to term?

1776
02:34:40,090 --> 02:34:47,830
Yes, we can. I do not believe this is, this will better serve our community or our town.

1777
02:34:50,930 --> 02:34:54,490
I think it's going to have the opposite effect. Thank you.

1778
02:34:56,210 --> 02:35:02,750
Thank you. Next is Christopher Beaks. After Christopher, I just have her name is Trish.

1779
02:35:02,750 --> 02:35:11,910
Good evening, Chairman and Commission. I am Christopher Beaks. I am a local resident that lives off of central a little further south

1780
02:35:12,290 --> 02:35:19,910
But I regularly travel on central and on Walu and my best friends and God kids live directly off of Korwin, which is directly

1781
02:35:20,650 --> 02:35:23,430
This project is going to be built directly in front of their residents

1782
02:35:25,190 --> 02:35:30,950
Specifically so I concur with what all the other residents have said in their grievances

1783
02:35:30,950 --> 02:35:51,010
I think the core impacts, one, the speculative residency, the fact that we don't have someone currently claiming that they're going to be using this building, that is a problem because we do not have like, who are we going to hold accountable for what's going to happen with this property.

1784
02:35:51,010 --> 02:36:01,350
The residential impact, the air quality, the noise, people moved out here specifically for good air quality and just the quiet rural area.

1785
02:36:02,410 --> 02:36:18,330
The water impact is definitely concerned. The airport safety major concern, the road conditions, having just constant traffic with semi trucks and the amount of noise pollution that comes with that too, it's just a huge concern.

1786
02:36:19,550 --> 02:36:35,950
The effect on the property values of that area that's concerning for all the residences and the fact that it's going to place a giant industrial building where before it was kind of a just a nice view.

1787
02:36:36,310 --> 02:36:42,110
And instead it's going to be light pollution and constant traffic, business traffic.

1788
02:36:42,690 --> 02:36:44,790
I just, I don't believe it's a great idea.

1789
02:36:45,490 --> 02:36:50,310
It's not specifically that there shouldn't be industrialization out here,

1790
02:36:50,330 --> 02:36:54,910
but the location is a terrible location to be doing a project this big.

1791
02:36:55,650 --> 02:36:59,750
In regards to the residents of the area and the impact it will have on the community.

1792
02:37:00,410 --> 02:37:01,490
Thank you.

1793
02:37:01,750 --> 02:37:02,470
Thank you.

1794
02:37:03,790 --> 02:37:05,490
Okay, next up is Trish.

1795
02:37:05,490 --> 02:37:07,410
Trish, I'm going to need you to give your last name.

1796
02:37:07,710 --> 02:37:08,170
If you're here.

1797
02:37:08,490 --> 02:37:09,050
There you are.

1798
02:37:09,250 --> 02:37:09,950
What is your name?

1799
02:37:10,550 --> 02:37:12,550
Lopez. Thank you.

1800
02:37:14,190 --> 02:37:18,990
And there. Thank you for letting me speak. I concur with everybody who spoke and so far.

1801
02:37:19,570 --> 02:37:25,530
I've been a resident of the High Desert for 30 years and I live one street over from the proposed site.

1802
02:37:26,310 --> 02:37:29,970
I wouldn't be here tonight at all. The neighbor hadn't heard about it. Made a fool.

1803
02:37:33,580 --> 02:37:36,060
We were not told anything.

1804
02:37:39,980 --> 02:37:52,940
This has been in the work since 2022. The land has been purchased since 2023. Why is it none of the residents that it will actually affect new about it? Nobody is disputing the fact that we need jobs.

1805
02:37:52,940 --> 02:37:59,840
After living in the desert for 30 years, I know we need jobs, but it's the location that we're upset about.

1806
02:38:00,500 --> 02:38:01,700
This is our homes.

1807
02:38:02,420 --> 02:38:05,280
I mean, if anyone knows about the wildlife, it's me.

1808
02:38:05,420 --> 02:38:07,060
I feed a lot of the wildlife.

1809
02:38:07,880 --> 02:38:09,980
I provide water for them.

1810
02:38:10,900 --> 02:38:14,980
This is going to affect a lot more than what people understand.

1811
02:38:16,420 --> 02:38:21,120
Didn't move here, so I could see light pollution and hear noise pollution.

1812
02:38:21,120 --> 02:38:23,360
I go out in my backyard.

1813
02:38:23,560 --> 02:38:24,560
That's my sanctuary.

1814
02:38:25,860 --> 02:38:26,640
That's it.

1815
02:38:26,660 --> 02:38:28,760
My husband passed away two years ago.

1816
02:38:28,820 --> 02:38:30,260
I'm here alone now.

1817
02:38:30,640 --> 02:38:33,300
Wasn't what we, wasn't what we planned on,

1818
02:38:34,120 --> 02:38:36,600
but I need that sanctuary.

1819
02:38:39,990 --> 02:38:41,310
This is really upsetting.

1820
02:38:45,220 --> 02:38:47,480
So the fact that you only received five letters

1821
02:38:47,480 --> 02:38:50,320
from the residents really is not indicative

1822
02:38:50,320 --> 02:38:52,040
of the residential response.

1823
02:38:52,780 --> 02:38:54,120
We are very upset.

1824
02:38:54,120 --> 02:39:00,620
And a lot of my neighbors, when I spoke to them, still didn't know about it.

1825
02:39:01,460 --> 02:39:04,260
And there's a duty to inform people.

1826
02:39:04,620 --> 02:39:07,860
You can't just put something in and opt to help.

1827
02:39:07,960 --> 02:39:11,680
Well, that have invested their life savings into a home.

1828
02:39:12,200 --> 02:39:14,880
There's ranches and farms all around me.

1829
02:39:14,900 --> 02:39:19,160
These people don't have money to pick up and start over again.

1830
02:39:19,760 --> 02:39:24,100
You know, I'm only 63, but there's people that are a lot older than me.

1831
02:39:24,100 --> 02:39:31,040
out there. And this is really going to have a huge impact on our quality of life. Really is.

1832
02:39:33,020 --> 02:39:35,400
And I think you're going to see a lot of people leave California.

1833
02:39:38,620 --> 02:39:43,560
Thank you. Next is Kim Walker. After Kim Walker is Ace Griffin.

1834
02:39:51,950 --> 02:39:53,990
Good evening. My name is Kim Walker.

1835
02:39:54,190 --> 02:40:00,410
I've been a local resident here in Apple Valley since 1990. For those of you who know me,

1836
02:40:00,410 --> 02:40:09,350
I am a 1,000% in support of skilled trade, CTE, educate local, work local, build our local

1837
02:40:09,350 --> 02:40:16,250
economy. You guys know for a living, I do that. That is 1,000% been my career for 35

1838
02:40:16,250 --> 02:40:22,790
plus years. But I'm here tonight as a resident and a neighbor in that neighborhood. We, as

1839
02:40:22,790 --> 02:40:28,470
you guys have heard, has some genuine concerns. Our biggest one is you're looking at a

1840
02:40:28,470 --> 02:40:34,570
point something million dollars or a million square foot warehouse and we can't

1841
02:40:34,570 --> 02:40:40,550
currently fill the 1.36 million square foot empty warehouse sitting off of

1842
02:40:40,550 --> 02:40:47,070
Navajo and Lafayette. That was the previous big lots building. Okay so my

1843
02:40:47,070 --> 02:40:50,870
first thought is let's see about bringing the employment, bringing those

1844
02:40:50,870 --> 02:40:55,710
businesses let's fill that warehouse. My other concern is the lack of fire

1845
02:40:55,710 --> 02:41:02,790
support. We have heard from some of our previous fire agencies for other projects. There need

1846
02:41:02,790 --> 02:41:08,910
for fire equipment support. I understand that there are, I think it's a calf fire right

1847
02:41:08,910 --> 02:41:14,790
there on the corner, but I hear that from some of those members that they do not have the

1848
02:41:14,790 --> 02:41:19,930
adequate support and they have to do interagency for that. I just want to bring the reminder

1849
02:41:19,930 --> 02:41:26,090
we've had two big warehouse fires in Southern California that took days, weeks, months and are still

1850
02:41:26,090 --> 02:41:33,050
not completely mitigated with clearance. I'm also concerned about truck traffic. It does say that

1851
02:41:33,050 --> 02:41:39,930
the existing truck route is 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. there is zero enforcement of that right now.

1852
02:41:41,390 --> 02:41:47,210
I also want to highlight, you know, I got probably a couple seconds left. And one of your previous

1853
02:41:47,210 --> 02:41:54,190
City Council meetings. It was the last one of the one before. There were discussions about lack of roads and how we need to pay.

1854
02:41:56,810 --> 02:42:06,930
It's been multiple discussions. One of our own council members said on record the last meeting in the meeting before that central road was not a priority.

1855
02:42:06,930 --> 02:42:13,170
but Yuckeloma was a bigger priority over central. So you can see I'm passionate about this.

1856
02:42:13,190 --> 02:42:20,050
I love my neighborhood, love our area. I absolutely believe this hyper project is needed in the high desert.

1857
02:42:20,450 --> 02:42:25,190
I think there's a better location near the 15 and 11's freeway.

1858
02:42:25,930 --> 02:42:32,170
Many of you are also aware there's a big expansion going on in bar store with rail and some of the support going there.

1859
02:42:32,170 --> 02:42:39,430
Um, I just, I think there's a better location, a little bit further north and apple valley, and closer to the 15 in Delavance.

1860
02:42:39,730 --> 02:42:40,170
Thank you.

1861
02:42:41,030 --> 02:42:41,310
Thank you.

1862
02:42:43,150 --> 02:42:43,350
Okay.

1863
02:42:43,710 --> 02:42:45,910
A script and after A's is Ted Bohannon.

1864
02:42:46,950 --> 02:42:47,490
Good evening.

1865
02:42:48,350 --> 02:42:51,070
My name is A's Griffin and I'm here on behalf of Local 365.

1866
02:42:52,270 --> 02:42:56,090
So first I like to say I concur with my brothers and sisters that came before me.

1867
02:42:56,550 --> 02:43:01,710
And what I really wanted to push for is, I support this project because like they said,

1868
02:43:01,710 --> 02:43:08,010
keeps us local. I have a family, I'm a mom, and the idea of working locally is everything to me.

1869
02:43:08,590 --> 02:43:14,290
Being able to go to games like he said, being able to go to play, sporting events,

1870
02:43:15,070 --> 02:43:22,490
being there for your kids is everything. And I feel like I'm a veteran, I've done my time away,

1871
02:43:22,850 --> 02:43:29,450
and I'm finally in a trade-wack and possibly be on, and I want that. And I don't want to have to

1872
02:43:29,450 --> 02:43:35,950
between spending time with my family and supporting my family, and that's why I support this project.

1873
02:43:36,230 --> 02:43:37,090
Thank you.

1874
02:43:38,270 --> 02:43:38,850
Thank you.

1875
02:43:39,590 --> 02:43:40,610
That's Go Hanan.

1876
02:43:41,490 --> 02:43:44,730
After Ted is Jeffrey Ricker.

1877
02:43:48,170 --> 02:43:53,070
So everybody that is here that you don't might not know.

1878
02:43:53,070 --> 02:44:00,270
So this happens to be town council district 3, carry the own district, and I'm happening

1879
02:44:00,270 --> 02:44:04,410
to be bringing against her for that town council seat.

1880
02:44:05,810 --> 02:44:09,950
And I'm going to shoot straight with you, because I believe I'm over school, I'm going

1881
02:44:09,950 --> 02:44:15,070
to shoot straight with you, and I'm going to be, and I call balls and strikes on everything.

1882
02:44:16,330 --> 02:44:21,190
I stand 100% with everything that you said against this project.

1883
02:44:22,110 --> 02:44:24,110
But she was straight with you.

1884
02:44:24,690 --> 02:44:26,250
I don't like wasting my time.

1885
02:44:26,650 --> 02:44:29,030
Every single one of you wasted your time.

1886
02:44:29,450 --> 02:44:31,290
Stand up here in the same way you said.

1887
02:44:31,990 --> 02:44:33,730
Because they've already made up their mind.

1888
02:44:34,870 --> 02:44:36,070
It's going to be passed.

1889
02:44:36,750 --> 02:44:38,350
It's going to go to the Tamil Council.

1890
02:44:39,210 --> 02:44:44,150
Because too many of the higher reps have that big dollar sign in their eyes.

1891
02:44:45,670 --> 02:44:47,590
They, you know somewhere along the lines.

1892
02:44:48,250 --> 02:44:50,090
There's that door deals going on.

1893
02:44:50,730 --> 02:44:59,970
It's politics, it's someone who's been on the town council for that long, and look at your roads, look at your parks, nothing.

1894
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:10,960
Nothing's been done. And I understand about wanting to be close to homo. I have two handicap sons. One has gone through three

1895
02:45:10,960 --> 02:45:19,440
brain cancer surgeries, and is a survivor. So I understand about being in home with family and working

1896
02:45:19,440 --> 02:45:25,440
and being close to home. But when it comes down to it, an empty hair, hair house,

1897
02:45:29,800 --> 02:45:29,980
how many

1898
02:45:29,980 --> 02:45:35,040
And you've got nine places that you've approved,

1899
02:45:35,960 --> 02:45:38,720
five empty warehouses, where's the jobs?

1900
02:45:39,240 --> 02:45:41,540
And you've got to develop or say, there's nothing there.

1901
02:45:42,960 --> 02:45:43,920
So where's the jobs?

1902
02:45:44,740 --> 02:45:46,080
28, 29, 30?

1903
02:45:47,660 --> 02:45:51,960
So it's kind of like it's just hot air coming from hot suits.

1904
02:45:53,380 --> 02:45:57,840
So it's either you start making changes to what's going on

1905
02:45:57,840 --> 02:46:00,480
It's standing up and having someone's was,

1906
02:46:00,480 --> 02:46:03,020
because everybody who's standing up here for their jobs,

1907
02:46:03,880 --> 02:46:05,780
you better believe I'll stand behind you.

1908
02:46:10,640 --> 02:46:12,200
Thank you, next is Jerry Ripper.

1909
02:46:14,020 --> 02:46:16,020
Jeffrey, I'm sorry, I did it again.

1910
02:46:16,640 --> 02:46:18,280
I don't know why I'm calling you Jerry.

1911
02:46:20,890 --> 02:46:22,350
It's Jeffrey. Jeffrey.

1912
02:46:42,940 --> 02:46:45,180
And it was open too, that's the crazy part.

1913
02:46:55,310 --> 02:46:56,570
All right, good evening, planning commission.

1914
02:46:56,770 --> 02:46:58,530
I'm here tonight to strongly recommend

1915
02:46:58,530 --> 02:47:01,690
for the planning commission not to approve the proposed 3.4 million

1916
02:47:01,690 --> 02:47:06,950
square foot warehouse, data center, and industrial development, or in its current form.

1917
02:47:07,630 --> 02:47:11,490
First and foremost, I do not believe the development of the magnitude of the lines with

1918
02:47:11,490 --> 02:47:15,230
the recent feedback gathered by the town of Apple Valley regarding communities prior to

1919
02:47:15,230 --> 02:47:20,170
preserve our rule way of life, meaning full, thoughtful, growth.

1920
02:47:20,870 --> 02:47:26,790
If the town is going to ask residents what they want, Apple Valley to look like in the future,

1921
02:47:26,790 --> 02:47:30,710
than that feedback should carry substantial weight

1922
02:47:30,710 --> 02:47:33,570
with projects of this size come before the town.

1923
02:47:34,230 --> 02:47:37,490
My second major concern is water infrastructure and fire flow protection.

1924
02:47:38,430 --> 02:47:41,430
The project of this magnitude requires substantial fire flow capacity,

1925
02:47:41,750 --> 02:47:46,510
a figure of approximately 2,500 gallons per minute,

1926
02:47:46,990 --> 02:47:48,970
at least minimum out of a fire hydrant.

1927
02:47:49,710 --> 02:47:53,710
I know I'm a D4 operator for the state of water state water resource control board.

1928
02:47:53,950 --> 02:47:54,750
I know about water.

1929
02:47:54,750 --> 02:47:56,310
I know what it takes.

1930
02:47:59,600 --> 02:48:03,040
Before approving this project, I believe the town should require documented confirmation

1931
02:48:03,040 --> 02:48:06,720
from the serving water utility and fire authority demonstrating that the required

1932
02:48:06,720 --> 02:48:11,040
fire flow can actually be delivered under the applicable design conditions.

1933
02:48:12,600 --> 02:48:15,780
The existing infrastructure serving the area raises serious questions.

1934
02:48:16,000 --> 02:48:19,900
The piping coming from Liberty utility starter wells take side is approximately 16 inch

1935
02:48:19,900 --> 02:48:25,240
in diameter and transits transitions to 12 inch line nearest leanly street.

1936
02:48:25,240 --> 02:48:31,300
The tank side also utilizes booster pumping to provide additional volume and pressure to the

1937
02:48:31,300 --> 02:48:32,480
area it serves.

1938
02:48:32,860 --> 02:48:33,520
Sorry, I'm also dry.

1939
02:48:34,600 --> 02:48:37,580
With the amount of commercial development already in the area in additional development

1940
02:48:37,580 --> 02:48:42,200
being proposed, I question whether the existing system has sufficient capacity and redundancy

1941
02:48:42,200 --> 02:48:47,940
to support another 3.4 million square foot of development while maintaining adequate service

1942
02:48:47,940 --> 02:48:51,780
and emergency fire flow to everyone else connected to the system.

1943
02:48:52,360 --> 02:48:59,780
The project plans also refer as reference a 16 inch ductile iron pipe water line that raises a basic engineering question,

1944
02:49:01,100 --> 02:49:05,080
where and how is that 16 inch getting connected when there's a 12 inch line that's already there.

1945
02:49:05,760 --> 02:49:08,700
You can't simply tie a 16 into a 12. Doesn't work.

1946
02:49:11,990 --> 02:49:16,030
The 16 inch project line by itself, not to create additional system capacity of the source,

1947
02:49:16,250 --> 02:49:20,290
the transmission piping storage pumping or downstream infrastructure cannot supply the required flow.

1948
02:49:21,170 --> 02:49:26,310
That also brings up another question, Edison, I've talked to them, I don't know how you've got your plan.

1949
02:49:26,810 --> 02:49:27,270
Thirty-second.

1950
02:49:27,330 --> 02:49:31,350
Twenty-nine, twenty-eight possibly, twenty-nine, possibly.

1951
02:49:32,810 --> 02:49:38,670
The big loss is currently or last I remember was running off a generator because it couldn't support the grid.

1952
02:49:40,730 --> 02:49:45,410
Answer that. Why are we approving these projects when nothing is in place for infrastructure?

1953
02:49:45,710 --> 02:49:51,230
And if we are good to approve these projects, the infrastructure will be in place first prior to the buildings going in.

1954
02:49:51,230 --> 02:49:54,230
How many people have to die at Richard because of the streets?

1955
02:49:55,290 --> 02:49:56,550
How many people have to die?

1956
02:49:57,110 --> 02:49:57,570
That's time.

1957
02:49:58,550 --> 02:49:59,230
Thank you.

1958
02:50:00,050 --> 02:50:01,230
Thank you.

1959
02:50:02,370 --> 02:50:08,530
Did that conclude that we go cards that I have to speak if anybody else is inclined to speak now as your time?

1960
02:50:08,890 --> 02:50:09,410
Sure, Carolyn.

1961
02:50:10,590 --> 02:50:18,050
I was informed previously that someone, even though the Planning Commission is not subject to SB 707,

1962
02:50:18,050 --> 02:50:22,290
And there is a mechanism to allow comment from people online.

1963
02:50:22,690 --> 02:50:25,630
So there is someone online that would like to ask a question.

1964
02:50:26,350 --> 02:50:28,530
Generally, I defer to allow public comment.

1965
02:50:28,830 --> 02:50:32,150
And I hope that we can, if that person is still on the line.

1966
02:50:32,790 --> 02:50:34,690
I'm asking a question or make an comment.

1967
02:50:34,910 --> 02:50:35,950
I'm making a public comment.

1968
02:50:37,190 --> 02:50:38,250
Yeah, that's fine.

1969
02:50:38,810 --> 02:50:39,430
If there's still it.

1970
02:50:39,490 --> 02:50:41,610
So I have a virtual public comment.

1971
02:50:41,750 --> 02:50:42,570
There is no name.

1972
02:50:42,950 --> 02:50:44,010
It's just a phone number.

1973
02:50:44,010 --> 02:50:51,910
the last for the phone number is 1397 so if that's you and you're watching, I will unmute

1974
02:50:51,910 --> 02:50:58,070
your mic now or I will enable your mic so you can unmute yourself now and begin your

1975
02:50:58,070 --> 02:50:58,670
comment.

1976
02:51:02,740 --> 02:51:03,600
Really full of sleep.

1977
02:51:06,870 --> 02:51:07,450
Hi, good evening.

1978
02:51:07,530 --> 02:51:08,190
Can you guys hear me?

1979
02:51:08,490 --> 02:51:08,510
Okay.

1980
02:51:09,470 --> 02:51:09,730
Yes.

1981
02:51:11,270 --> 02:51:13,090
Hi, good evening, chair and commissioners.

1982
02:51:13,250 --> 02:51:14,410
My name is Matthew Rettlade.

1983
02:51:14,650 --> 02:51:19,870
So I've lived in an Apple Valley for 11 years and I'm running for Apple Valley Town Council district

1984
02:51:19,870 --> 02:51:24,350
before I get to academic. I wanted to call in tonight to share my strong opposition to

1985
02:51:24,350 --> 02:51:28,850
the proposed late Creek logistics center while this project is going to the review process.

1986
02:51:29,510 --> 02:51:34,470
Our local airport is a major asset capital valley. It's home to local general aviation

1987
02:51:34,470 --> 02:51:38,870
pilots and it serves as a critical base for public safety operations including a 40

1988
02:51:38,870 --> 02:51:43,310
team, which is a share of self-opter and a California Highway Patrol helicopter, both of which

1989
02:51:43,310 --> 02:51:48,590
provide essential law enforcement, search and rescue and emergency air support for our region.

1990
02:51:48,590 --> 02:51:54,250
Putting in nearly 3.5 million square foot industrial complex, right next to active flight

1991
02:51:54,250 --> 02:51:56,070
pass, creates real safety issues.

1992
02:51:56,650 --> 02:52:01,590
When you put massive dark roofs out there with an area that this project is being proposed,

1993
02:52:02,110 --> 02:52:07,170
they bake in the sun and create their more heat plumes, rising columns of hot air, the

1994
02:52:07,170 --> 02:52:12,150
cloud set and turbulence, and wind shear for pilots making little altitude takeoff and landings.

1995
02:52:12,650 --> 02:52:17,930
Between the thermal updrafts, physical structures and bright light lighting, this project poses

1996
02:52:17,930 --> 02:52:23,070
The real hazard to the emergency internal aviation crews flying in and out of that airfield every day.

1997
02:52:23,390 --> 02:52:27,630
We should keep those flight paths clear, not carrying them with industrial development.

1998
02:52:28,230 --> 02:52:29,970
On top of the airport hazards this mess.

1999
02:52:30,000 --> 02:52:46,740
This is proposal but directly up against existing homes and crowds are residential areas. Families who chose this name but had for peace and quiet are facing 50-foot tall concrete walls right near their front and backyards. Furthermore, our local streets simply weren't built for such a heavy traffic would.

2000
02:52:47,280 --> 02:52:59,720
Adding thousands of heavy diesel trucks and commuter chips daily will tool bar roads, choke our residential corridors with exhaust, and create real hazards for local families. We also have to look the long-term impact on our water supply.

2001
02:52:59,720 --> 02:53:09,420
We live in a desert basin where every drop of groundwater counts, adding nearly 3.5 million square feet of industrial buildout, plus tens of acres of asphalt.

2002
02:53:10,120 --> 02:53:18,700
Means high water demand for operations and dust control while capping off open soil, that would otherwise allow a natural rainwater to filter back down into our aquifer.

2003
02:53:18,700 --> 02:53:20,380
Then there's light pollution.

2004
02:53:21,120 --> 02:53:24,040
Round the clock security lighting is going to wash out our night sky.

2005
02:53:24,680 --> 02:53:27,500
People move to Apple Valley, especially my own family.

2006
02:53:28,120 --> 02:53:30,900
Because they appreciate our role, feel, open space,

2007
02:53:31,340 --> 02:53:33,240
and being able to look up and see the stars.

2008
02:53:33,680 --> 02:53:35,600
Have the industrial lighting directly crowding.

2009
02:53:35,700 --> 02:53:38,380
Residential properties are completely destroyed that quality of life.

2010
02:53:39,080 --> 02:53:40,540
I strongly oppose this project,

2011
02:53:40,680 --> 02:53:44,100
and I urge the chair and commission to take a close look at these impacts

2012
02:53:44,100 --> 02:53:46,660
and keep airport safety, water resources,

2013
02:53:46,660 --> 02:53:51,180
and neighborhood quality of life front and center as is proposal moves forward.

2014
02:53:51,580 --> 02:53:52,920
Thank you for taking my call tonight.

2015
02:53:59,180 --> 02:54:01,440
Okay, that concludes the public comments.

2016
02:54:03,220 --> 02:54:03,880
Take the podium.

2017
02:54:04,280 --> 02:54:05,500
Make sure you state your name.

2018
02:54:08,560 --> 02:54:12,820
My name is Charlene Gutierrez and I live off of Corwin and Central.

2019
02:54:13,600 --> 02:54:19,420
My kitchen view window was the reason why I moved up here, looking at Delmont and I actually have

2020
02:54:19,420 --> 02:54:25,540
a few questions about the IR findings, since they are significant and unavoidable, I wanted

2021
02:54:25,540 --> 02:54:33,800
to know what the air quality was a test at any infancy through toddler age and what

2022
02:54:33,800 --> 02:54:38,040
that would be because I have two children under the age of three so that is quite a concern

2023
02:54:38,040 --> 02:54:42,440
for me if this will even the study was even done on some one their age.

2024
02:54:43,420 --> 02:54:48,200
Another question I have was, the dust when they're going to be moving all of the plants in

2025
02:54:49,080 --> 02:54:53,260
Basically, just demolishing it, where's that water coming from?

2026
02:54:53,280 --> 02:54:55,440
Because I didn't see that in the findings either.

2027
02:54:55,700 --> 02:54:57,640
And how much water that was going to be using?

2028
02:54:58,920 --> 02:55:01,600
I 100% agree with all of the jobs.

2029
02:55:02,280 --> 02:55:05,140
But I also don't see a project local agreement,

2030
02:55:05,760 --> 02:55:09,640
or I doesn't say that it would require local hires as well.

2031
02:55:09,780 --> 02:55:14,780
So I mean, that's not really a point if that's not there as well.

2032
02:55:14,780 --> 02:55:18,880
I used to drive down the pass as well.

2033
02:55:19,020 --> 02:55:20,520
I used to work for the county of Riverside,

2034
02:55:20,720 --> 02:55:24,300
so I 100% get not wanting to go down the hill and work.

2035
02:55:24,880 --> 02:55:28,140
But I also do believe that if we're going to be building

2036
02:55:28,140 --> 02:55:30,580
something of this magnitude, at least a requirement

2037
02:55:30,580 --> 02:55:34,560
for hiring local desert, employees would be

2038
02:55:34,560 --> 02:55:38,460
something to kind of put in there.

2039
02:55:39,540 --> 02:55:41,060
So yeah, thank you.

2040
02:55:41,820 --> 02:55:42,300
Thank you.

2041
02:55:44,540 --> 02:55:55,000
Okay, so I'd like to know if the applicant would like to rebut or step up and answer to any of that or if you're good for now.

2042
02:56:05,270 --> 02:56:22,930
Well, again, this Mike Johnson or Michael Johnson with Lake Creek Industrial and appreciate everyone's comments and concerns, you know, as as an individual with kids of my own, I hear and understand everybody's concern.

2043
02:56:23,950 --> 02:56:28,930
I hate to say the cliche, but this isn't our first rodeo.

2044
02:56:29,550 --> 02:56:39,070
We try our best with all of our consultants, along with the town staff to design a project that

2045
02:56:39,070 --> 02:56:45,530
minimizes the impacts to the collective town to everyone while also providing those

2046
02:56:45,530 --> 02:56:52,270
economic benefits of both infrastructure, jobs, both on a short-term, I'm not really short

2047
02:56:52,270 --> 02:56:59,130
terms is a large project, but on the call temporary-ish construction jobs and long-term

2048
02:56:59,130 --> 02:57:06,770
permanent jobs, and we do take into serious consideration, you know, everybody's concerns.

2049
02:57:07,310 --> 02:57:14,270
Again, we are trying to be, you know, a good call, you know, corporate citizen,

2050
02:57:22,230 --> 02:57:22,250
corporate

2051
02:57:22,250 --> 02:57:43,670
with ideally 1 to 3 corporate users and what the long-term benefits to the town from a project like this and to see what other developments could occur in the general area at some point down the road.

2052
02:57:44,090 --> 02:57:49,830
But again, I really appreciate the commission staff and everybody that came out tonight. Thank you.

2053
02:57:49,830 --> 02:57:59,330
Thank you. Okay, so you agreed all the conditions that staff put forward, go ahead and if you would make it official.

2054
02:58:00,230 --> 02:58:02,470
Sorry about that. I think you might have said it earlier, but I need to.

2055
02:58:02,550 --> 02:58:08,610
No worries. I'm happy to say again. Yes, we agree with 100% of the conditions of it.

2056
02:58:08,910 --> 02:58:15,290
Okay, thanks. Okay, with that, we're going to close the public hearing at 858, geez.

2057
02:58:15,290 --> 02:58:17,630
and have commission discussion.

2058
02:58:20,300 --> 02:58:22,180
I'm going to start the commission discussion because

2059
02:58:23,180 --> 02:58:25,320
in contrary to, I don't know where he went,

2060
02:58:25,600 --> 02:58:27,020
but the guy that's running for something

2061
02:58:27,020 --> 02:58:31,020
said about the town, the planning commission, the council.

2062
02:58:32,380 --> 02:58:33,420
I don't care who his name is.

2063
02:58:36,220 --> 02:58:39,520
He disparage everybody and we don't have our minds made up.

2064
02:58:39,820 --> 02:58:40,780
That's total BS.

2065
02:58:41,100 --> 02:58:41,400
We're here.

2066
02:58:41,700 --> 02:58:44,140
We pretty much work for almost nothing.

2067
02:58:45,080 --> 02:58:45,780
And you guys are here.

2068
02:58:45,880 --> 02:58:46,180
We're here.

2069
02:58:46,280 --> 02:58:47,400
We're talking about it.

2070
02:58:47,400 --> 02:58:51,140
hearing what you have to say, our minds are completely open and not made up.

2071
02:58:51,320 --> 02:58:57,260
With that said, in order for us to make a good decision, I think we need a full commission

2072
02:58:57,260 --> 02:58:57,800
here.

2073
02:58:58,560 --> 02:59:01,680
I think we need our other two commissioners to hear the commentary.

2074
02:59:02,420 --> 02:59:03,700
We have everything that you did.

2075
02:59:03,860 --> 02:59:04,540
It's all on record.

2076
02:59:05,040 --> 02:59:05,860
We have the cards.

2077
02:59:05,900 --> 02:59:10,880
I have how many people spoke, who was in favor, who was against my recommendation for

2078
02:59:10,880 --> 02:59:14,640
everybody as if you really are concerned, and you didn't get the kind of notice you felt

2079
02:59:14,640 --> 02:59:15,440
you should get.

2080
02:59:15,440 --> 02:59:21,000
And go talk to your neighbor, Samar, we're going to continue this to October 7th and I'm going to make the motion to do that.

2081
02:59:21,560 --> 02:59:27,460
We just can't do it on our own. I'm not comfortable with it. I almost wasn't comfortable with it just to garage.

2082
02:59:29,520 --> 02:59:35,560
So those are you they were here, you know, all along. That didn't, that didn't even work well for me because it's it's hard.

2083
02:59:36,000 --> 02:59:39,320
With a commission, a three person commission when we don't have a full commission.

2084
02:59:39,880 --> 02:59:45,740
If one person votes against, it's dead, at least that's, and I don't want to be that, and

2085
02:59:45,740 --> 02:59:50,400
I don't want you to need these to guys be putting that position, so, sure, count on them.

2086
02:59:50,540 --> 02:59:56,200
If we can confirm that date with the applicant, and then also instead of closing the

2087
02:59:56,200 --> 02:59:59,040
public hearing, you would continue the public hearing.

2088
02:59:59,080 --> 02:59:59,380
Okay.

2089
03:00:01,660 --> 03:00:29,120
Okay. And I apologize to all you guys. I mean, obviously this is a big decision. It's a big thing going on. And I've left her all my life. So I know all about the desert, all about what it means to a lot of people. But on the flip side, I know about the development and what was planned in the general plan in that area is basically earmarked for this type of development. So it's a big deal. And I don't want to take it lightly. So with the applicant, I need to know if you're good with continuing this.

2090
03:00:30,000 --> 03:00:31,340
because that's what I want to do.

2091
03:00:31,520 --> 03:00:34,640
And so whatever the vote is, that's what I would have to say.

2092
03:00:37,830 --> 03:00:39,990
So yeah, that was going to be one of the things

2093
03:00:39,990 --> 03:00:42,870
I was going to ask staff if we could.

2094
03:00:42,870 --> 03:00:43,590
I agree.

2095
03:00:44,130 --> 03:00:46,270
Yes, the applicant agrees to the continued.

2096
03:00:46,430 --> 03:00:48,770
OK, I think it's in your best interest as well.

2097
03:00:51,340 --> 03:00:53,400
If you can please confirm this motion,

2098
03:00:53,920 --> 03:00:57,760
the motion would be, well, you would have to reopen the public hearing.

2099
03:00:58,980 --> 03:01:03,460
Continue the public hearing to the meeting of October 7th.

2100
03:01:03,460 --> 03:01:13,320
Okay, I'd like to make a motion to continue to open the public hearing again and continue this discussion and the decision to the October 7th meeting when we have a full commission.

2101
03:01:16,360 --> 03:01:17,280
That's my motion.

2102
03:01:23,380 --> 03:01:24,300
It's the plan for mission.

2103
03:01:24,380 --> 03:01:26,820
Excuse me if we could please have them follow through.

2104
03:01:27,060 --> 03:01:27,820
Do we have a second?

2105
03:01:30,680 --> 03:01:33,480
And to further that, I'd like it to be first on the agenda.

2106
03:01:37,600 --> 03:01:40,900
So we have, we have a motion call in second-pound Bianco.

2107
03:01:41,140 --> 03:01:42,800
We need a roll call vote on this.

2108
03:01:43,640 --> 03:01:44,380
Commissioner Aries?

2109
03:01:45,500 --> 03:01:45,980
Yes.

2110
03:01:46,340 --> 03:01:46,500
Yes.

2111
03:01:46,500 --> 03:01:47,280
Commissioner Pombianco?

2112
03:01:47,440 --> 03:01:47,740
Yes.

2113
03:01:48,280 --> 03:01:48,940
Chairman Calen?

2114
03:01:49,080 --> 03:01:49,380
Yes.

2115
03:01:50,040 --> 03:01:54,760
Motion passes to continue with Commissioner Lannion and Vice Chairman Tinsley, absent.

2116
03:01:56,140 --> 03:01:57,560
All of your comments are on the record.

2117
03:01:57,960 --> 03:01:58,780
We have the cards.

2118
03:01:58,920 --> 03:02:00,040
We have the notations.

2119
03:02:00,560 --> 03:02:01,620
You're welcome to come back.

2120
03:02:01,680 --> 03:02:02,320
I hope you do.

2121
03:02:02,800 --> 03:02:05,040
And then we'll continue this discussion with a full commission.

2122
03:02:05,040 --> 03:02:08,860
And no our minds are not made up. Good luck with your election, though.

2123
03:02:12,910 --> 03:02:14,790
Okay, other business.

2124
03:02:23,230 --> 03:02:31,490
See you later. Okay, our meeting is still in session it excuse me miss miss miss

2125
03:02:32,110 --> 03:02:39,390
This our meeting is still in session. Yeah, we're still good. If you could please allow us to continue our business. Yeah, we're still we're still working on other business

2126
03:02:40,490 --> 03:02:43,450
That's okay. You're all right. Don't worry about it

2127
03:02:44,910 --> 03:02:55,370
in the other business. I got nothing. Commission comments. I have no comment. I already

2128
03:02:55,370 --> 03:03:01,990
made my comment and I stand by staff comments. The only comment I have is that as the holidays

2129
03:03:01,990 --> 03:03:07,050
are approaching, if the commissioners know when they will be out of town, if you can notify

2130
03:03:07,050 --> 03:03:11,970
Catherine in our office, you can call her send her an email with those dates, that way we can

2131
03:03:11,970 --> 03:03:18,950
I had a friend, a meeting set, we may have during the, you know, the next few months, we'd appreciate it.

2132
03:03:19,110 --> 03:03:19,510
Thank you.

2133
03:03:20,410 --> 03:03:21,450
Motion to adjourn?

2134
03:03:21,710 --> 03:03:22,130
I'll make a motion.

2135
03:03:22,430 --> 03:03:24,510
Oh, so we all want to make a motion.

2136
03:03:25,350 --> 03:03:25,910
Been a long night.

2137
03:03:25,930 --> 03:03:26,230
Hi.

2138
03:03:26,550 --> 03:03:27,590
Thank you guys.

2139
03:03:28,470 --> 03:03:30,450
Sorry, went that direction, but...

2140
03:03:30,450 --> 03:03:31,330
Had to happen.

2141
03:03:42,090 --> 03:03:43,990
Something makes me...