[0:00] Let's
[0:03] start it.
[0:07] Call this meeting to order. Town council
[0:09] meeting. It's Wednesday, April 15th,
[0:11] 2026 at 6 p.m. And we'll start with the
[0:13] pledge.
[0:16] I pledge algiance to the flag of the
[0:19] United States of America and to the
[0:22] republic for which it stands. One nation
[0:25] under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[0:28] justice for all.
[0:34] » Dear heavenly father, we're grateful to
[0:36] be gathered here today and we're
[0:37] grateful for all that serve and help in
[0:39] our community.
[0:41] We ask thee Lord that all those are
[0:45] with our boots on the ground and all our
[0:47] military personnel that they will be
[0:49] safe from all the things going on in the
[0:52] world. Father, we ask for whatever
[0:53] blessing we can send out to those that
[0:56] are in need that would take care of
[0:59] those and these things we humbly and
[1:02] greatly pray for them in Jesus Christ.
[1:05] >> Amen.
[1:06] All right.
[1:09] Roll call.
[1:09] >> Scott Taylor here. Kevin here.
[1:11] >> Mike Ferrar here.
[1:13] >> Richard Palmer here.
[1:14] >> And he's been that will be late.
[1:17] Um, declaration of conflence of
[1:18] interest.
[1:19] >> No.
[1:20] >> Do I need to declare?
[1:22] >> I have a conference of interest on item
[1:23] number two, the accounting contract
[1:26] amendment as that is Mikey's contract.
[1:28] I'll go over it and then I will will
[1:30] recuse myself from the vote, but I will
[1:32] present to you guys what's going on.
[1:35] Okay, mayor'stown update and reports,
[1:37] recommendation, announcements. Try to go
[1:40] quick. Um, this is kind of a review
[1:42] here. I copied with the mayor earlier,
[1:44] but uh, we had the marathon event
[1:46] completed this past weekend. I had heard
[1:48] no complaints. They did a great job with
[1:50] the dust control. Um,
[1:53] just because it was town brought in, I
[1:55] think was $7,000 was something out there
[1:58] for this event. So, we do I know a lot
[2:00] of the residents votes inconvenience,
[2:02] but I think this event has really got it
[2:04] together working with me the last few
[2:06] years and they understand what we expect
[2:09] and they've been very good. So, uh we
[2:11] had the Easter egg hunt this past about
[2:13] two weekends ago. Town Garden Brooke and
[2:15] all the guys that all the people that
[2:17] chipped in that was a big success. I
[2:20] think they said we had about 50 kids.
[2:22] >> Oh, that is a good turn.
[2:23] >> Yeah. Yeah. Like I said, my wife stuck a
[2:25] thousand eggs,
[2:26] >> so there was a lot of eggs and they hit
[2:28] them good and it was great. Bradley said
[2:29] it was a good time. So, I appreciate I
[2:31] was out of the country, but I appreciate
[2:33] Brooke in the garden group taking care
[2:35] of that. Um,
[2:38] we're opening up two new part-time
[2:40] positions here in the town. We're just
[2:44] with the growth coming and the growth
[2:46] that's here already with all the stuff
[2:48] we have to do, uh, we just need two more
[2:51] people. Uh we're doing a
[2:58] what is it? A deputy town clerk
[3:00] slashbuilding permit clerk and then a
[3:02] finance clerk is will also help us with
[3:04] some grants. Um we're just I just got J
[3:07] and Michelle working too much and my
[3:10] list is piling up that I don't give them
[3:12] because I'm overworking them and we just
[3:14] need more help. And quickly I'll do it
[3:16] quickly. I mean we're just kind of stuck
[3:18] anybody watches this video. We're kind
[3:19] of stuck in the middle ground where
[3:20] we're getting, you know, hit with all
[3:22] the engineering, all the attorney stuff,
[3:24] all the MGAs, all the preary flat, all
[3:26] that. But we have had no more houses.
[3:30] So, we don't have the income. So, we're
[3:32] over here. It takes my labor, Bradley's
[3:34] labor, Jenna's, Michelle's, on top of
[3:36] the extra fees to the engineer and the
[3:38] attorneys. We do recover some of the
[3:40] injuring cost. Um, with that, in fact,
[3:43] I'm going to work on something for the
[3:44] attorney cost. I'm trying to find out
[3:45] what the legalities of that are and I
[3:47] may be bringing you guys something that
[3:48] we need to put in some fees for MDAs and
[3:51] water and stuff like that. Should we
[3:53] charge the developers because we're
[3:55] paying for that now and we don't have no
[3:56] growth and and potentially could fall
[3:58] apart and they don't ever grow and we
[4:00] spent the money. So
[4:01] >> that's not okay.
[4:02] >> Yeah. So right now we have no more uh
[4:05] property taxes coming in. So I'm
[4:07] juggling budgets and I wish I could hire
[4:09] four more people but we're making do
[4:11] until we get some of that growth come
[4:13] in. So, that's kind of one of those bad
[4:16] areas to be in that I'm sure every time
[4:18] I deal with this, we'll figure it out.
[4:20] Uh, right now we're working on a master
[4:22] transportation plan with Sunrise and
[4:24] Engineering along with the park plan and
[4:27] stuff like that. I know Chief's been
[4:29] helping me with the transportation plan.
[4:30] Bradley's looking at we're all looking
[4:32] at it and coming up with uh trying to uh
[4:36] get all the roads in Apple Valley where
[4:37] we think they're going to need to be
[4:38] based on the development. Uh, we got the
[4:40] water tank plants from Aulturoka
[4:42] engineers. I reviewed it. Um, Dan
[4:45] reviewed it, Nate reviewed it. We had a
[4:47] few minor changes. We sent that back to
[4:50] them yesterday, I believe it was. And he
[4:52] said he should have that back to us in
[4:54] no time. From there, we shouldn't have
[4:56] any hold back. They'll get the final
[4:58] quote from the contractor and hopefully
[5:00] we can start going on that water tank.
[5:03] So, of course, it's like anything else
[5:04] to take longer than we thought. But, um,
[5:08] I had another meeting, just to let you
[5:09] guys know, too. I had another meeting
[5:11] with Chief Bradley. Mayor Jessup went up
[5:13] to Salt Lake for us and talked to
[5:16] whoever is in charge of the court system
[5:17] and made sure that they would approve us
[5:20] switching court systems from the county
[5:22] over to the Hillale court system so we
[5:25] can bring in the Hilldale PD. So, we're
[5:27] going to put together some contracts and
[5:29] stuff and I'll bring it you guys. We may
[5:31] even have to do a work meeting depending
[5:32] how complicated they are. Um it's a big
[5:35] decision. Um it's about $100,000 a year
[5:39] to have our own PD with Hillell, have a
[5:42] dedicated officer on the highway, have
[5:44] them responding over here. But the chief
[5:47] thinks with uh our citations being
[5:51] handled properly and us getting the
[5:52] credit for the citations that are
[5:54] written out on the highway, we should be
[5:55] able to recover that. Uh it's going to
[5:57] be close. So I'm working with him to
[5:59] make sure that happens. So re we're
[6:01] already paying the sheriff's department
[6:02] 20,000 which will cut that off. So we'll
[6:04] have to recover 80,000. Um but we will
[6:07] literally have our own I mean they'll
[6:09] they going to redo patches redo the
[6:10] branding on the cars. It'll be Hilldale
[6:12] Colorado City Apple Valley Police
[6:14] Department. So um that's something
[6:16] that's coming up. They'll have a
[6:18] dedicated officer on the highway is the
[6:20] proposal. So um we working on that as a
[6:23] package deal and then we would send all
[6:24] we would share the town prosecutor and
[6:26] the court system with Hillell. So, it
[6:28] would lighten their cost and hopefully
[6:31] we I'm hoping that it's not going to
[6:32] cost us no extra money, but we'll have a
[6:35] far better service when people are
[6:36] complaining about speeders or what kids
[6:38] on dirt bikes. You know, I have someone
[6:40] I can call right away and say, "Let's
[6:42] get an officer over here when we're not
[6:44] getting that response from the sheriff."
[6:45] So, I'll be bringing that to you guys
[6:48] soon. Um,
[6:51] I think that's all I have. What do you
[6:52] guys have? You guys have anything?
[6:57] Okay, we'll close that out. We'll roll
[7:00] into public comments. Three minutes
[7:02] each. Anybody have any public comments
[7:05] that are not about uh tonight's anything
[7:07] that's not in tonight's public hearing?
[7:10] Go ahead, Rich. Come on up.
[7:12] >> Okay,
[7:14] let me move the podium back. I don't
[7:16] want you guys. This is the
[7:20] distance.
[7:20] >> I got a hammer.
[7:24] >> But I got a hard head, so it won't make
[7:26] much difference. Oh, just about the uh
[7:29] couple things to clarify, not clarify,
[7:32] but bring up uh about the coffee meeting
[7:35] this morning. I'll read them as the code
[7:37] says it. Uh distance between buildings,
[7:40] and I brought these up at the coffee
[7:42] meeting this morning. No two buildings
[7:44] on the same property shall be located
[7:46] closer than 10 feet
[7:49] apart. I mean 10 feet period. Uh no
[7:54] building structure or pen corral coupe
[7:57] housing animals or plow shall be closer
[8:01] than 50 ft. I think it was mentioned 30
[8:04] feet. It was 30 feet but then we changed
[8:06] it from 30 feet to 50 feet. So it's not
[8:10] 30 feet as it was mentioned this
[8:12] morning. Animal enclosures may be
[8:15] located in rear or front yard provided
[8:18] they are maintained at a minimum setback
[8:21] of 10 ft from interior property lines.
[8:25] Two, maintain a minimum setback of 15 ft
[8:30] from any street right away.
[8:34] And then the last thing uh so that be 15
[8:38] ft back.
[8:39] Uh and all should comply with nuisance
[8:44] and sanitation.
[8:46] That's one thing. And uh those maybe go
[8:51] into another amendment down the road to
[8:54] change those. Uh the other thing I just
[8:58] thought as I was thinking was shipping
[9:01] containers. So any shipping container at
[9:03] 40footer that they put in they would
[9:06] have to pull a permit on because it's
[9:09] over the 200 feet but I'm not sure of
[9:11] that and I don't have the code in front
[9:13] of me and oh Richard Saski 1024 listing
[9:19] wave you didn't know who it was
[9:22] at the front. Okay, just to clarify a
[9:25] few things that I just didn't understand
[9:28] this morning and a few other people
[9:29] didn't understand.
[9:31] >> Thank you.
[9:32] >> Good. Thank you, Rich.
[9:34] >> If we could just do any conflict.
[9:36] >> Yep.
[9:38] >> Roll her in.
[9:38] >> Roll call and conflict of interest.
[9:40] >> Any spin of no conflict.
[9:43] >> Sounds good. D. Thank you. All right.
[9:46] Anybody else? Anybody online? Anybody
[9:48] else?
[9:50] No. All right. We'll close out the
[9:53] public comments and we'll roll into
[9:55] discussion and action. Item number one
[9:58] is O-2026-11
[10:00] amend title 10.10.050
[10:04] re rule estate zone planning commission
[10:06] recommended approval on April 18th,
[10:08] 2026.
[10:10] What we're doing here, if you look on
[10:12] page two of this amendment, we have the
[10:15] first thing is a typo. We scratched out
[10:16] 20 because you can see it says 30. So,
[10:19] it's just something they'll ask and not
[10:20] from us, but from the past if there was
[10:22] a typo. And then on item D, it says no
[10:25] rooster is permitted on any lot which is
[10:27] less than one acre. Okay. Lots one acre
[10:29] or larger may have one rooster per 30
[10:32] chickens. So, we've had a few people
[10:34] bring that up to my attention. I kind of
[10:36] have some experience with chickens, but
[10:38] I kind of wanted to be fair and I looked
[10:39] it up on the internet and if you look it
[10:41] up decision one rooster per 10 per 10
[10:43] chickens. So, I'm proposing that we
[10:46] change that three roosters per 30
[10:48] chicken, which equals one rooster per
[10:50] chickens. Um, then on conditional use,
[10:54] we added for commercial use. So, people,
[10:57] we talked about this in the previous
[10:58] meeting, you can still raise gardens,
[11:00] crops, and all that stuff for your
[11:01] personal use, but not for commercial
[11:03] use. And then we crossed out the family
[11:06] food production.
[11:08] And then on page four, this is kind of
[11:11] what Ridge talked about. Right now the the [clears throat] ordinance reason
[11:16] that you may not have uh the two
[11:18] buildings from lifeline. This is the pin
[11:21] corral coupe housing animals or foul
[11:24] should not be constructed closer than 50
[11:26] ft to a dwelling unit on an adj adjacent lot or 30 ft from the property
[11:32] line whichever is further. So I want to
[11:33] get rid of the 30t from the property
[11:35] line. Um as long as they're 50 ft from
[11:38] anybody's house it should be fine. There
[11:40] doesn't need to be both of those things
[11:42] in there. um what do we care if
[11:44] someone's cow or horse is on the
[11:45] property line as long as they're 50 feet
[11:47] away which you would cover that in
[11:49] either scenario you're still got to be
[11:50] 50 way from 50 ft away from the house.
[11:54] So those are the proposals. Do you guys
[11:56] have any questions,
[11:58] concerns, comments
[12:02] and that is just for re
[12:07] Scott move we approve O-2026-11
[12:11] amend title 10.10.050
[12:14] re real estate zone planning commission
[12:17] recommend approve on April 8th6.
[12:22] All right. Roll call vote. Scott
[12:24] >> Taylor I s I
[12:26] >> Mike Fer I
[12:28] >> Richard Palmer I motion carries. Item number two is the accounting
[12:33] contract amendment. But what's going on
[12:36] here? This is our CPA Mikey's contract.
[12:39] This was done before I came here uh as
[12:42] mayor with the town. This was done by I
[12:44] think
[12:46] >> uh Frank and Tanya I think Mikey's
[12:48] contract. Um, we had a resident file.
[12:52] I'm gonna probably do a Facebook post
[12:54] about this for maybe talk about the We
[12:57] had a We had a resident complaint to the
[12:59] state auditor about just pages of pages
[13:02] of things. Um, so we went through a
[13:05] full-blown audit with the state auditor
[13:06] to address every single item. We passed
[13:09] with flying colors. We weren't doing
[13:11] anything wrong as I knew we weren't
[13:13] because that attorney would tell our
[13:15] town attorney would tell us we're doing
[13:16] something wrong. Everything goes through
[13:17] him. people don't believe this, but that
[13:18] goes through. Uh, but we did have a few
[13:21] recommendations. Uh, a couple of them
[13:23] were not had nothing to do with what the
[13:25] complaint was and they weren't so much
[13:27] after the recommendations. One of the
[13:28] recommendations were on our contract we
[13:30] should have so they're not just ongoing
[13:33] forever and the particular contract we
[13:35] noticed didn't have an end date. So, uh,
[13:38] Jenna has written this up and it will
[13:40] now have an end date.
[13:45] So, if you guys have any questions or
[13:46] concerns, I can try to answer them at
[13:48] Jim. But I will be recusing myself from
[13:51] this vote because this is Mikey and as
[13:53] you know, Mikey is my son. So, if you
[13:56] guys have any questions, concerns, I try
[13:57] to answer them or maybe Jenna can. But
[13:59] that's that basically what we're doing
[14:01] here. We're just put an end date to
[14:02] Mikey's contract and then it'll come up
[14:05] for renewal on you have here, Jenna.
[14:09] Started on the 23rd. So, she they Oh,
[14:10] I'm sorry. They said this should be five
[14:12] years, but they recommend four. So we
[14:14] she did it four years to be safe. So in
[14:16] June
[14:17] it will expire and you guys will have to
[14:19] decide if they contract.
[14:25] » Scott Taylor move we approve the
[14:27] accounting contract amendment.
[14:29] >> A second.
[14:31] >> Okay. Roll call vote.
[14:32] >> Scott Taylor I s I
[14:34] >> I recuse my second
[14:36] I.
[14:38] Mulion carries. On to item number three
[14:41] is the development agreement addendum
[14:43] number four for a cultural roa project.
[14:45] This is pretty simple. Basically what
[14:47] they're doing here is they wanted a
[14:49] little more cabin space. They don't want
[14:50] more cabins still the 80 or 84 whatever
[14:53] it was. They just wanted to spread them
[14:55] out a little more. And to do that they
[14:58] had to get the space instead of taking
[14:59] away some of the open space. So they
[15:01] because I really like their open space
[15:02] they said they'll get rid of four
[15:04] residential lot. So it went from 54 lot
[15:06] down to 50 and they just spread the
[15:08] cabinets out. Um, there is also some
[15:11] wording on there. If you look at it,
[15:12] it's in purple. This is some stuff to do
[15:15] with the PID. They sent this to us. I
[15:18] read it. I put it in AI. It was a I
[15:20] tried to save us money when I can with
[15:22] the attorney, but it was a little over
[15:23] my pay grade. So, I sent this to Heath
[15:25] and had Heath look at it. Heath was okay
[15:28] with it. He wanted to reward some stuff
[15:29] to better protect the town. Basically,
[15:31] what this is saying, and all that we
[15:33] know jumbo is a bid is a bond. So when
[15:38] we the town requires a construction bond
[15:40] for infrastructure to make sure that it
[15:42] gets done and it's paid for and not they
[15:44] don't get to the middle of something and
[15:45] then they don't have the money um and
[15:48] then it doesn't get finished and now we
[15:49] have a safety hazard or it can cost the
[15:50] town money. So that we make them do
[15:52] what's called a construction bond that
[15:54] guarantees that project gets finished.
[15:56] The PID this is a $10 million PID which
[15:59] is a bond. So they want to use the PID
[16:00] as the bond and it's common. It's not
[16:03] our attorney told me it's not this is
[16:05] nothing uncommon. Um, but that's all
[16:07] they're asking to do is use the pit as
[16:08] the bond. So, if you want to read
[16:10] through, if you didn't read through, you
[16:11] probably already have, but there's some
[16:12] rules in there that Keith added about it
[16:14] has to go to a uh bond trustee and all
[16:17] that good stuff. So, he he added some
[16:19] wording in there to ensure the town was
[16:20] fully protected and that the I'm not
[16:22] worried about it because it was a $10
[16:23] million bid and I know these guys, but
[16:26] the town is legally protected. for about
[16:28] fiveish days in the agenda. So, the main
[16:30] thing was the cabins and the residential
[16:34] lots, but then they threw this in there
[16:35] about the attorney went through.
[16:40] That's all that is.
[16:45] » I make a motion we approve the
[16:46] development agreement addendum four for
[16:48] Okaoka project.
[16:51] >> Did I do that?
[16:52] >> Okay, we can do
[16:55] we can we don't have to do a roll call
[16:56] vote, right? Okay. All in favor?
[16:59] >> I I motion carries. On to the consent
[17:02] agenda. We have item number four,
[17:04] minutes from February 18, 2026, town
[17:06] council hearing and meeting. Item number
[17:08] four, minutes from February 15, 2026,
[17:10] special town council meeting. Item
[17:12] number six, minutes from March 18, 2026,
[17:14] town council hearing and meeting. We
[17:16] have item number seven, dispersement
[17:18] listing for March 2026. Item number
[17:21] eight, budget report for fiscal year
[17:22] 2025 through March 2026. And item number
[17:25] nine, March 2026 water comparison.
[17:30] Um, I went over the dispersement. I
[17:33] didn't see anything that I thought you
[17:34] guys would have a question with. There
[17:35] is one thing kind of out. It says HMH
[17:39] Fencing LLC. That's 116351.
[17:42] That was for the water department. We
[17:44] added a gate on the road up to the
[17:46] springs. We've had a few people kind of
[17:48] cutting through the webs fence line and
[17:50] coming on the property and going up the
[17:51] road to the springs. So, we went to a
[17:52] spot uh where the road is very narrow
[17:55] and there's a cliff on this side and a
[17:57] cliff on this side and we put a log gate
[17:59] across there. So, now people I mean you
[18:01] could try walking up there but it would
[18:02] take you a long time to walk up that
[18:04] mountain. So, you're not driving up
[18:06] there anymore. So, that's what that is.
[18:08] Other than that, it didn't seem anything
[18:09] out of the ordinary. Just all the
[18:10] payroll, all the stuff like that.
[18:13] >> The mayor just to confirm for the budget
[18:14] report, uh it should say fiscal year
[18:17] 2026.
[18:18] >> Oh, yeah. That was a typo on my part.
[18:21] >> Yep. You got it. Perfect. And if you
[18:24] look at the budget report, if you have
[18:25] concerns, I know some of these numbers
[18:26] are out of whack.
[18:27] >> Don't look at public works.
[18:29] >> Actually, it's not too bad now, right? I
[18:30] think we take
[18:32] >> Yeah, we had some It gets confusing
[18:34] because we have the capital asset projects on there. But if
[18:40] just look at the final numbers. I know
[18:42] there's some numbers out of whack there
[18:43] that it can be accounting or we
[18:45] classified it wrong. It could be that we
[18:47] might just did the budget. We try to
[18:49] look at the 12. Of course, at the end of
[18:51] the year, we'll go through, we'll
[18:52] balance everything out, bring it to you
[18:53] guys for final approval for the
[18:55] auditors.
[18:56] >> I think Dan's charging all the audit
[18:58] department.
[19:02] I think we got it down pretty
[19:05] >> we took off the Yeah,
[19:07] >> 40 46%. You're actually low is we took
[19:10] off the capital asset plan because it
[19:12] was hard confusing me. So, we took it
[19:14] off differently, but yep,
[19:16] >> that's it. And we did a we did do a lot
[19:18] of equipment improvement this year.
[19:20] >> We did. We did. We had the blades on the
[19:22] grater go out on the
[19:24] >> rubber tracks on the miniacs vehicles.
[19:26] We purchased a couple vehicles.
[19:27] >> Tires on the vehicles.
[19:28] >> Yep. A lot of good things happening. So
[19:32] SC we approve the consent agenda item
[19:34] 45678
[19:36] 126 instead of 125 on number eight and
[19:39] item number nine. Second.
[19:41] >> All in favor?
[19:42] >> I motion carries. I need someone to
[19:46] motion for a close session that we go to
[19:49] a close session
[19:52] with any lation. Thank you.
[19:54] >> Second. All
[19:56] >> in favor?
[19:57] >> Motion carries. We're going to go to a
[19:58] close session then we'll be back out
[20:00] like five or two minutes.
[20:16] Huh?
[20:17] >> For over a month,
[20:18] >> you know, I've been doing a lot of work
[20:19] from your yard.
[20:20] >> I've seen that
[20:23] just it keeps me busy with mindless
[20:26] work. They say is good for you.
[20:29] >> Yeah, it looks like you put some thought
[20:30] into it. So, it's not your mind.
[20:33] >> I'm out there picking and shoving. So,
[20:35] that keep me in pretty good shape.
[20:37] >> Good. Did you do any skiing this year?
[20:38] >> Huh? Did you do any skiing then?
[20:40] >> Yeah, I did.
[20:41] >> I was up there skiing and I went up
[20:44] there a half a dozen times. But the last
[20:46] time I was up there skiing, I didn't
[20:49] realize it was spring break and I were I
[20:52] mean they were laying all over the the
[20:54] mountain
[20:55] >> really
[20:55] >> with their snowboards and I was trying
[20:57] to get it was an obstacle course but it
[21:00] was dad skiing, you know, the snow
[21:03] wasn't that good. It better get some
[21:05] more snow to fill up quail creek and fan
[21:08] because
[21:09] >> Yeah,
[21:09] >> it was bad here.
[21:11] >> It has been.
[21:13] >> Yeah.
[21:15] >> Showing them.
[21:16] >> Everybody's kind of hurt.
[21:19] >> Yeah.
[21:19] >> It takes a lot of quail creek to feed
[21:22] San.
[21:23] >> They drain it down. Now there's a lot of
[21:26] bumps in the lake.
[21:27] >> That all comes out of the virgin.
[21:29] >> Yeah. So
[21:30] >> yeah,
[21:31] >> they got still pretty good flow. But if
[21:32] we get spring rain, that'll help a lot.
[21:34] >> Yeah, that's the problem.
[21:36] >> It's going to be a hot summer.
[21:38] >> Yep. We could all If I knew it all, I
[21:40] wouldn't be working here. I'd be making
[21:42] money somewhere else.
[21:43] >> Well, that's true. We can't forecast
[21:45] like it is. But, uh,
[21:47] >> yeah.
[21:47] >> No, I plan to be out there doing doing a
[21:50] few things, but u
[21:52] >> Well, if that doesn't work out, go over
[21:53] to Jackson Reservoir and can
[21:56] >> And that is true. That is true. Right.
[21:58] I'm having some work done on my Jeep.
[22:00] So, it's low five Rubicon. I'm kind of
[22:03] bringing that up a little bit. So, I put
[22:06] in top so I can
[22:09] >> Okay.
[22:09] >> You know, like that. Yeah. We've been
[22:13] staying out of trouble, but it's a lot
[22:16] of yard work.
[22:17] >> Somebody asked me the other day, if I
[22:18] see you down here, I'll hold him since I
[22:20] started. I said first year he was there
[22:22] quite a bit.
[22:23] >> Yeah.
[22:23] >> Haven't seen him in a couple years, he
[22:25] just doesn't show up anymore. Where?
[22:28] >> Here.
[22:28] >> Oh, here. Yeah. Yeah.
[22:31] I had to come in today because of
[22:34] the coffee meeting, you know.
[22:35] >> Yeah.
[22:36] >> No one don't want them to forget me. So,
[22:38] I I kind
[22:39] >> No worries about that.
[22:43] >> Bring up my points, you know.
[22:44] >> Yeah.
[22:45] >> And uh you know,
[22:47] >> Well, I'm I'm glad you're out in life.
[22:50] >> Oh, God. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It gets
[22:52] better every day, you know, and I'm
[22:54] feeling better every day,
[22:56] >> huh? You know,
[22:57] >> that's fantastic.
[22:57] >> I hate to talk about health, but I went
[23:00] in and did a colonoscopy at 82 and not a
[23:03] problem at all.
[23:04] >> Good.
[23:05] >> So, you got to keep checking on your
[23:07] body.
[23:07] >> Well, it's important.
[23:08] >> Oh, yeah. You know, so I believe in
[23:10] testing everywhere I can. So, other than
[23:13] that, there's no health issues and we'll
[23:16] be out there kaying.
[23:18] I got a lot of digging and shoveling to
[23:21] do.
[23:21] >> Get it done before it gets too hot.
[23:23] You're getting there.
[23:24] >> Well, actually, I don't mind. Oh, good.
[23:27] >> My line of work when I worked was
[23:29] construction and I worked a lot of deck
[23:32] >> Vegas and all over. So, the ain't really
[23:36] I kind of enjoy the heat more than I do
[23:38] the cold.
[23:38] >> Oh, I like the heat better by far.
[23:40] >> I do.
[23:41] >> Y, [clears throat]
[23:42] >> you know, I worked I worked when when it
[23:44] was 50 below. So, uh cold is not
[23:47] something I uh if it's wind's blowing,
[23:50] it's a little chilly. I'm in the house.
[23:52] >> Yeah.
[23:53] >> Watching politics. I will
[23:57] get in the cold and I hate
[24:00] people.
[24:02] Hey over
[24:15] my firefighters.
[24:37] volunteer because he doesn't
[24:41] >> he'll still pull in. We pay a siphon,
[24:43] but we can do that with volunteers. I
[24:44] just can't have an hourly person
[24:46] volunteer. There's a whole whole
[24:48] separate federal.
[24:49] >> Yeah. And there's there's really no easy
[24:52] outcome. So, that was
[24:54] >> that was it where I'll pay him a sip and
[24:56] then he won't make as much, but he's got
[24:58] other business that he does well with.
[25:01] He knows this and he's
[25:02] >> passionate.
[25:07] » I think impressive guy. I like him.
[25:11] >> You know, he's a lot smarter than he
[25:13] acts.
[25:14] >> Um, you know, after you don't have to
[25:16] always have the word on your sleeve, you
[25:18] know.
[25:18] >> Yeah. Well, he's he's one that his
[25:21] communication is challenging. So he
[25:23] seems not very bright, but if you learn
[25:26] to understand what he's saying and then
[25:29] you just watch him like here I had 20
[25:32] things I wanted him to do and I just
[25:33] mentioned him I say I need you to do
[25:35] this and I'm walking around the shop out
[25:37] there and going that that's gone this
[25:40] the truck. Wow. He's been really busy.
[25:43] He's pretty active.
[25:48] But I think he's going to go back to a
[25:49] volunteer rank because he gets health
[25:51] insurance through that real estate for
[25:54] being health insurance on
[25:56] >> he's part time here and he does that's
[25:58] his only health insurance for his family
[26:00] and was trying to figure out a way to
[26:02] put him on full time and just pay him a
[26:03] low wage to equal it all out but it
[26:06] still doesn't matter that he wouldn't
[26:07] have insurance. We don't do health
[26:08] insurance here.
[26:10] >> He's doing it'll be with us or
[26:12] >> he'll be with us but he'll be so the
[26:14] shifts he covered will be sip paid. to
[26:17] go get the set amount and I can only go
[26:21] up to about 15,000 here legally with a
[26:25] volunteer whereas he would have ended
[26:28] about 23 or 24,000 but again he doesn't
[26:30] care about the money necessarily so
[26:32] >> yeah that's what he told me he told me a
[26:35] lot of this so that he can get his
[26:37] retirement and keep his fingers in it
[26:41] >> yeah well there is no retirement for
[26:44] that's that's the hard part here in Utah
[26:47] have volunteer firefighter Washington
[26:48] state they do.
[26:49] >> Yeah, I know they have a government in
[26:51] Washington state.
[26:52] >> That's fair. I'm looking at about 350
[26:53] bucks a month for 20 20 years.
[26:56] >> I had a guy that was a school teacher
[26:58] and they volunteered for the summer
[27:01] deal, you know, brush fire. I guess
[27:05] the brush Yeah. wildland fire.
[27:07] >> Yeah. He he come up with a real nice
[27:10] retirement.
[27:11] >> That's the state
[27:13] program. So even just your local
[27:16] volunteer firefighters there,
[27:19] you you can pay them 50 bucks a month or
[27:22] the state will pay or the department
[27:24] will pay the 50 bucks which is what our
[27:25] did and then when you hit 20 you're
[27:28] eligible for the lower retirement 25 a
[27:31] month.
[27:32] >> So little incentive once you get past
[27:35] that 15 16 years you start thinking I
[27:37] might want to stick on for a little
[27:38] while.
[27:39] >> He he was expecting around a month
[27:42] >> that's the state one. Yeah, that's So he
[27:45] was a part time if
[27:46] >> I remember, right? Yeah.
[27:46] >> He was a seasonal employee. Yeah.
[27:48] >> So that fulfilled the state he had state
[27:51] retirement through that.
[27:52] >> He's a team leader, too. So he was the
[27:54] guy on the truck that led the
[27:57] >> in charge.
[27:59] >> He was a nice guy.
[28:01] He had some medical problem later on.
[28:04] >> Have you met Stuart yet?
[28:05] >> I haven't.
[28:07] >> Randy, you knew he liv Randy. So we're
[28:10] keeping all Ry's on spot.
[28:14] over by Randy Dson.
[28:16] >> Okay.
[28:17] >> And Gooseberry.
[28:21] » And if you want to volunteer, we got
[28:23] spots.
[28:24] >> All right.
[28:24] >> So, you for the firefighter one and two
[28:28] training, do you send it off to Colorado
[28:30] City or do you do your own here?
[28:32] >> Uh, EUR does most of the training in
[28:34] Utah.
[28:35] >> Okay.
[28:36] >> Um, where are you from?
[28:38] >> Colorado City. My hometown.
[28:39] >> Oh, okay. So their trainings you can do
[28:42] in house but you usually signed off on
[28:44] it.
[28:45] >> Okay.
[28:47] >> Yeah. Well and they can they have
[28:49] instructors at Colorado City that are
[28:51] with you for they can do that and
[28:53] Hurricane has instructors.
[28:56] >> We're we're pretty slow paced with that.
[28:58] It's
[28:59] >> we're going to pick up about July we're
[29:01] going to start doing classes monthly.
[29:03] >> All right.
[29:05] now it's red car season so we're
[29:08] dealing with that rest
[29:11] picking up.
[29:12] >> Yeah,
[29:14] >> that's true.
[29:15] >> Yeah, we were we were pretty close with
[29:16] Colorado City and Hill.
[29:18] >> Yeah, I helped Porter Barlo pretty well
[29:20] and Jeffy
[29:23] >> couple of those guys.
[29:25] >> Yeah. Yeah. They're Porter's up there on
[29:28] the hill, but he
[29:28] >> Oh, yeah. I can tell as well.
[29:30] >> Yeah, he's right up there on top of this
[29:32] hill over here.
[29:35] Yeah, good guys.
[29:36] >> Been around a long time.
[29:38] >> Yeah, that's true.
[29:41] Haven't we all? I haven't been around
[29:43] here, but I've been around.
[29:46] [clears throat]
[29:50] » Well, we got the walls poured out there
[29:52] at station two.
[29:53] >> What you did the What did you do?
[29:56] >> Walls.
[29:57] >> What is it?
[29:57] >> Yeah, they did put in last week walls
[30:00] Monday. H. So you going to put T or
[30:03] something or what are you doing?
[30:05] >> You having a a step up?
[30:07] >> I got a 4ft stem wall because I wanted
[30:09] to raise the height of the building and
[30:11] Kent Cook called me up last week and
[30:15] offered to do it.
[30:16] >> And I helped them for a few of the days,
[30:19] but I was probably way more than I was
[30:20] to help.
[30:22] >> Whole whole crew has
[30:24] they poured it. Then they Tuesday they
[30:26] stripped all the forms, cleaned
[30:28] everything up and I offered them
[30:31] volunteers.
[30:33] No, we'll do it.
[30:36] >> Well, some of the one they're in their
[30:37] own crew though that they work so much
[30:39] better together.
[30:40] >> Yeah,
[30:40] >> volunteers start getting in the way
[30:42] sometimes.
[30:43] >> Well, I was just going to do I was doing
[30:44] it by ourselves, so I take the work off
[30:46] of them. But
[30:48] >> but they want their forms at their
[30:49] point.
[30:50] >> Yeah. Yeah, I don't want anything, you
[30:52] know, they probably shoot something on
[30:54] them when they're done, you know. So,
[30:56] >> I bought corn well for him. I was
[30:58] prepared, but yeah, he took good care of
[31:01] us. He's I know you're out of concrete,
[31:04] but if you know anybody else, I'll get
[31:06] you a number cuz he they're quick. They
[31:09] do really good work.
[31:11] >> I don't know what he charges. I'm
[31:12] probably going to have four little swim
[31:14] for us here in the next couple of
[31:17] months. the cows.
[31:19] >> No, the wife,
[31:22] but I don't want I don't need a pool.
[31:23] I'm not going to treat it. So, I need to
[31:25] do something that I can run through a
[31:27] natural vegetation filter and throw a
[31:29] few goldfish in there
[31:31] and a pond. So, something more useful
[31:34] than a pool.
[31:36] >> Put some tilapia in there.
[31:38] >> Goldfish.
[31:39] >> You need them.
[31:40] >> I don't need anything that's going to
[31:41] crack that much.
[31:44] I do that. I'll go out in the field and
[31:46] make a big farm.
[31:47] >> I had a friend get a drive truck and he
[31:49] had this old tank system all lined up
[31:52] and he had tilapia was in there and then
[31:54] it also grew it grew so he used
[31:56] hydroponics.
[31:57] >> Okay.
[31:58] >> And then he we I figured out how to put
[32:00] a hot water heater to it to keep a
[32:02] certain temperature.
[32:03] >> Okay.
[32:03] >> And yeah, he drove truck for a living
[32:06] and come home and do a little bit of
[32:08] stuff. Yeah. He he was producing a lot
[32:10] of tilapia and all kinds of different
[32:12] kinds of you know lots of lots of folks
[32:14] are doing it. It's when I was in False
[32:17] Pass, Alaska, they were making a geodome
[32:20] with fish tanks in it and
[32:23] they the guy believed that he could keep
[32:26] it up temperature through the winter. I
[32:28] still don't know if he could do it, but
[32:30] he was going to fill tilapia and grow
[32:33] plants.
[32:35] We'll see. They lived in Washington. So
[32:38] it wasn't there wasn't a zone down like
[32:40] down here.
[32:41] >> No last you you get way less sun and
[32:45] that's what I was wondering how he was
[32:47] going to do it with the sun.
[32:49] >> They didn't have any power to it or
[32:51] anything. But I don't know. I need to
[32:53] ask them if they ever finished it. But I
[32:57] was out here looking at the job site
[32:58] today and the guy had planted bass in
[33:00] his pond
[33:02] four or five years ago. I helped him
[33:04] with some stuff up there and I didn't go
[33:06] look like oh yeah go look they're huge
[33:08] and like I don't fish for them because I
[33:10] don't want my fish to have mangled lifts
[33:12] the heck that means
[33:15] a lot
[33:15] >> well the neighbor had told me that she
[33:18] asked if the grandkids could go over
[33:19] there and fish that live next to him and
[33:22] she she had told me that he got really
[33:24] upset over there and was like I don't
[33:26] want to look at a bunch of fish with
[33:27] torn up lips and those are my pets
[33:31] he's from California Um, well, you don't
[33:34] want to feed them anything until they're
[33:36] in a swallow cuz then they rip the
[33:38] other.
[33:39] >> No, he's got fish feeder, automatic fish
[33:41] feeders out there. It's I think it's
[33:44] about 23 ft deep.
[33:46] >> You take the barb off the hook, you just
[33:47] pull it right out. They don't even
[33:49] notice it.
[33:49] >> Yeah. Like I said, he's California.
[33:53] >> Yeah.
[33:56] » He's a nice guy. just an odd hello.
[34:02] » 3 months later, the guy wants to ship
[34:05] some gun to California. He's from
[34:06] California. He lives here.
[34:11] » What a chore that is.
[34:12] >> I'm sure.
[34:14] >> I tried not to do it and I called
[34:16] around. I couldn't find any.
[34:18] >> Oh, really?
[34:20] >> But luckily, it's a father to son thing
[34:22] which they have special rules for which
[34:23] it helps a lot. Washington has demo rule
[34:27] if it's one generation up or down.
[34:31] [clears throat]
[34:32] >> Yeah, they they were enacting that stuff
[34:34] while I was there.
[34:38] » That's when I moved when I became only
[34:40] for me to hand you my gun.
[34:43] So that's that's the exact same time
[34:45] that I was like, I'm done. I can't I
[34:47] can't even imagine where they're going
[34:49] from here and I don't want to be here
[34:50] when they do. So
[34:53] that's when I went to Portland and was
[34:55] telling that person asking that person
[34:58] at the gun shop about guns and bulls
[35:00] from her down whatever it was from
[35:02] Washington and they looked at me and
[35:05] they said I'm really sorry for what your
[35:07] state did to you and I'm in Portland.
[35:11] What do you mean?
[35:12] >> Yeah, you're not far behind but
[35:13] >> and go crazy. Well, this individual
[35:16] starts listing off all the new laws that
[35:19] have gone into place when I was in
[35:20] Paul's past and one of them was that one
[35:22] and I'm
[35:24] Washington state. Yeah. Like so
[35:27] Portland's better than Washington. Yeah.
[35:30] By a lot. How did that ever happen?
[35:32] >> Yeah. So leftwing.
[35:36] >> Yeah.
[35:39] I'm pretty sure it was a dude dressed as
[35:41] a woman, but I'm still not.
[35:43] When did it become popular in the United
[35:45] States to race to the left of partisan
[35:47] lefty go?
[35:49] >> Well, I I will admit that there's
[35:52] extremes on both sides and there's a lot
[35:54] of gone to the extremes. They just
[35:57] there's no no more common sense that
[35:59] just makes up their own mind. They're
[36:01] like if Trump said it, it's right or
[36:03] Trump said it. Well,
[36:05] >> I believe everything Trump said is
[36:06] right. But no, but he's right more often
[36:09] than the left is. [laughter]
[36:11] >> But he's right for me more often. Yeah,
[36:13] >> I genuinely believe that for me it's
[36:16] different some other a lot of other
[36:17] people and that's fine. But that's why
[36:20] we vote these people in or out.
[36:23] >> Yeah, but you don't have to be immature
[36:25] about it.
[36:26] >> No, I I got a dad on each side. I got a
[36:29] one that thinks Trump's the antichrist
[36:31] and dad's not really religious and I got
[36:34] the other one that very religious but
[36:38] like his attitude
[36:55] before I get up there.
[37:02] Okay, just need a motion to close. I'll
[37:05] make a motion to close.
[37:07] >> I'll second it. All
[37:08] >> in favor? I
[37:09] >> motion carries mean adjourned. Thank you
[37:12] guys. Appreciate you guys.