1 00:00:10,639 --> 00:00:12,320 Okay. 2 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:14,080 Going to call this meeting in order. 3 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,000 Town council hearing and meeting. It's 4 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,039 Wednesday, June 17th, 2026 at 6 p.m. 5 00:00:19,039 --> 00:00:23,990 Let's start with the pledge. 6 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,480 To the flag of the United States of 7 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,519 America and to the republic for which it 8 00:00:29,519 --> 00:00:32,880 stands. One nation under God, 9 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:35,440 indivisible, with liberty and justice 10 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:38,869 for all. 11 00:00:38,879 --> 00:00:42,709 » You want to lead us in prayer? 12 00:00:42,719 --> 00:00:44,480 » He father, we're grateful to be gathered 13 00:00:44,480 --> 00:00:46,480 here. We're grateful for the opportunity 14 00:00:46,480 --> 00:00:48,800 that we can serve in our in our 15 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,200 community and 16 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:52,960 solve all the problems and move forward 17 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:54,879 in a positive manner. Not that there's a 18 00:00:54,879 --> 00:00:56,800 lot of problems, but if we have some, 19 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,039 we'd appreciate a little guidance. We 20 00:00:59,039 --> 00:01:00,399 ask thee, Father, at this time to 21 00:01:00,399 --> 00:01:02,719 certainly bring some rain to our 22 00:01:02,719 --> 00:01:06,000 community and keep our aquapers 23 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:10,080 full. and we ask you to look after and 24 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:11,840 bless our military during all these 25 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,240 conflicts around the world that you 26 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:15,840 would keep them safe and strengthen 27 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,360 them. We also ask you, Father, to help 28 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,880 sustain and keep uh Trump, our 29 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:24,880 president, United States, moving forward 30 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:26,720 in a positive direction that he may 31 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:28,640 receive your guidance and all decisions 32 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,520 that he makes from the past and moving 33 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,400 forward. Father, we especially ask for 34 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,360 in our 2026 election 35 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,600 that we have 36 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,320 um transparency and honesty and truth in 37 00:01:42,320 --> 00:01:43,920 the elections that the right people get 38 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,720 in that will help further along lead our 39 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:48,960 country. Uh we're grateful for all that 40 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:50,799 hell does for us. We ask thee if there 41 00:01:50,799 --> 00:01:53,280 is anything that we can do to help thee 42 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:54,960 with thy work down here on the earth 43 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,520 that we are capable and available and 44 00:01:57,520 --> 00:01:59,680 hear thy words that we may move forward 45 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:01,840 on that in the future. These things we 46 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:03,600 humbly pray for and grateful for in the 47 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:05,439 name of our Lord and Savior Jesus 48 00:02:05,439 --> 00:02:09,350 Christ. Amen. 49 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,800 » Alrighty. Roll call. 50 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:14,720 >> Mike here. 51 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:15,280 >> Up here. 52 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:16,720 >> Richard Palmer here. 53 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:18,319 >> Any conflicts of interest tonight for 54 00:02:18,319 --> 00:02:19,040 anyone? 55 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:19,840 >> No. 56 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:21,840 need. 57 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,160 >> Okay. Let's go into Mayor's Town 58 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,640 updates, reports, recommendations, 59 00:02:26,640 --> 00:02:28,720 announcement. Uh we'll start with some 60 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:30,800 of the easy stuff. If you guys didn't on 61 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:32,400 social media or on the text, the 62 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,360 cemetery is ready. Um, it's not much to 63 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:37,280 look at. But if you buy a plot and you 64 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:38,879 were to pass away tomorrow, we could 65 00:02:38,879 --> 00:02:41,360 bury you. So, it's in the field. It'll 66 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,360 just as we sell plots, it'll continue to 67 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,519 improve, get nicer, get better. Um, 68 00:02:45,519 --> 00:02:46,879 we're just going to anything we sell, 69 00:02:46,879 --> 00:02:48,080 we're just going right back into the 70 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,640 cemetery. So, it's fenced. Um, we've got 71 00:02:50,640 --> 00:02:53,599 it surveyed. We're ready to sell plots. 72 00:02:53,599 --> 00:02:54,959 The map's up here. If you want to buy 73 00:02:54,959 --> 00:02:57,040 one, it's $600 for a plot for a 74 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,239 resident. It's 1,500 for a non-resident 75 00:03:00,239 --> 00:03:02,000 and then there's a onetime uh 76 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,800 maintenance fee of $300. So you come in $900, you walk away with a with a 77 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:07,920 plot. 78 00:03:07,920 --> 00:03:09,760 >> And if if any of you know you're going 79 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,080 to die, we've got some scratch shovels 80 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,319 you can come out and save a few 81 00:03:14,319 --> 00:03:19,509 >> save a few bucks. We're willing to 82 00:03:19,519 --> 00:03:21,519 » So it's real You're good. No, no, you're 83 00:03:21,519 --> 00:03:22,640 good. 84 00:03:22,640 --> 00:03:25,680 >> It's real simple. Um it's we're going to 85 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:27,280 see some ordinances tonight. We we've 86 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:29,120 started over. It's real simple. I know 87 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:30,319 people are, "Do you have a veteran 88 00:03:30,319 --> 00:03:32,480 thing? Do you have Not yet. It's in it's 89 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,720 in the master plan. We have a veterans 90 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,360 area. We have a memorial wall. We have, 91 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:38,480 and I'm going to not know what it's 92 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:39,920 called, but the little building you 93 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,360 build for the ashes. Um, we'll get into 94 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:44,879 lots on top of each other. All that 95 00:03:44,879 --> 00:03:46,239 stuff in the future, but right now, we 96 00:03:46,239 --> 00:03:47,920 just we're tired of talking about it, 97 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:49,280 but let's just get simple and make 98 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,200 something happen." that about five or 99 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:52,720 six people have been literally been 100 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:54,080 telling me they don't have much longer 101 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,319 and I got they want to be married now 102 00:03:56,319 --> 00:03:59,200 alley. So I'm like I get it. So there's 103 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:00,959 one lady said she's ready. As soon as I 104 00:04:00,959 --> 00:04:02,480 get her applause, she's going. She said 105 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,720 she ain't holding on much longer. So 106 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:06,640 Rabby Rabby helped me with that. We got 107 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:08,959 it done. So 108 00:04:08,959 --> 00:04:11,680 um let's see. 109 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:13,200 >> New million gallon tank. I get asked 110 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:14,959 about that sometimes. The construction 111 00:04:14,959 --> 00:04:17,280 date now is set for August to break 112 00:04:17,280 --> 00:04:19,600 ground. Uh we should they should have 113 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:21,600 another hiccup with PID funding, but we 114 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:23,120 got it straightened out. We helped them 115 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:24,960 get it straightened out. So they're 116 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:26,639 supposed to get that funding in July and 117 00:04:26,639 --> 00:04:29,120 break around in August. See how that 118 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:33,600 goes. Um Gooseberry Roads, I don't know 119 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:34,960 if you're only for the Gooseberry 120 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,199 residents. I think I got about 20 25 of 121 00:04:37,199 --> 00:04:39,280 the surveys back. It's pretty 122 00:04:39,280 --> 00:04:41,759 straightforward. Most people want it 123 00:04:41,759 --> 00:04:46,639 graded just after the rain and No. Yes, 124 00:04:46,639 --> 00:04:48,400 just after the rain. And nobody wants to 125 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,000 pay to get the paid roads paid, which I 126 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,000 knew that. I knew that's how it go. So, 127 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,080 I I'll don't worry. I'll figure it out. 128 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:55,600 We'll get those roads paid. It might 129 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,759 take me a little longer than I 130 00:04:57,759 --> 00:04:59,919 originally planned, but I will get the 131 00:04:59,919 --> 00:05:02,320 funding hopefully. My goal is to still 132 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:03,520 get something started by the end of the 133 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,040 year. 134 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,600 Uh right now, me, Chief Michelle, and 135 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:09,680 the engineers are working on all new 136 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:11,199 impact fees. part of the new impact 137 00:05:11,199 --> 00:05:16,560 visas. We're working on a new uh master 138 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,199 transportation plan. Uh we're getting 139 00:05:19,199 --> 00:05:21,360 pretty close to being done with that. 140 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,680 Once it's done, we'll make it available 141 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,320 on the website where you guys can go and 142 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,120 see potential roads and where stuff's 143 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,759 going to go and um stuff like that. So, 144 00:05:31,759 --> 00:05:33,600 it's a 10-year plan. We have It's kind 145 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,320 of hard to plan for 10 years. I mean, 146 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:37,600 it's how do I know what's going to 147 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:38,880 happen? But, we're doing our best. We 148 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:40,240 got the crystal ball out. We're trying 149 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,720 to figure that out. So, 150 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:46,560 um I think that's it. Spirit rules. 151 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:48,639 I think that's all I have. You guys got 152 00:05:48,639 --> 00:05:50,320 anything? 153 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:51,680 >> Nope. 154 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:53,919 >> Oh, I know. I One more thing. The Well, 155 00:05:53,919 --> 00:05:56,400 um I know I said it' be done today, but 156 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,560 we random more hiccups. So, it's not 157 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:00,639 quite done. Um I'll be out there all day 158 00:06:00,639 --> 00:06:02,800 tomorrow ensuring that it get we're 159 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:04,720 missing a piece of equipment. we need to 160 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:06,960 test to get the water depth to get a 161 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:08,800 better reading because they're saying my 162 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:10,319 computer's wrong and I'm saying there's 163 00:06:10,319 --> 00:06:13,120 no way our computer's wrong. So, we're 164 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:14,880 disagreeing. So, we have to get a manual 165 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,120 sounder. Uh, and we don't have one. We 166 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,160 have a so sonar one. There's a better 167 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:21,680 one. Usually, we have the cheaper thing. 168 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:23,440 Now, we have the better thing and we 169 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:24,800 need one of the old school ones. So, the 170 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:26,720 conservancy is loaning us one and 171 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:27,600 they're going to bring it up here 172 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,280 tomorrow morning. So, I'll be working on 173 00:06:29,280 --> 00:06:31,520 that tomorrow. Hopefully, we have news 174 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:33,840 or water flowing again tomorrow. 175 00:06:33,840 --> 00:06:36,000 Uh, you guys shouldn't be seeing maybe a 176 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:37,199 little air in your lines. Other than 177 00:06:37,199 --> 00:06:39,440 that, you shouldn't notice anything. 178 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,039 Okay, that was it. You guys didn't have 179 00:06:41,039 --> 00:06:42,720 anything. 180 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:44,400 All right, at this time I'm going to 181 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,960 open up to public comments. Three 182 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,600 minutes each unless you're Rich Saski. 183 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,319 He's not here. I won't time yet. Um, so 184 00:06:52,319 --> 00:06:54,160 we'll go into the parks and recreation 185 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:55,680 survey and Oh, no. We're just going to 186 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:56,960 do public comments and then I'll go into 187 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:57,919 parking. Or do you want to do at the 188 00:06:57,919 --> 00:06:59,520 same time? Wait, he he called me and 189 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:01,199 wanted me to speak for him cuz he said, 190 00:07:01,199 --> 00:07:03,360 "You're you're you're long- winded like 191 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,120 me, Kevin." 192 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:06,319 >> All at the same time. 193 00:07:06,319 --> 00:07:07,759 >> Okay. All at the same time. Okay. So, 194 00:07:07,759 --> 00:07:09,599 we're going to open up public comments 195 00:07:09,599 --> 00:07:11,280 and we'll do the park and wreck survey, 196 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:12,720 which is a public comment. If you guys 197 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,120 have any input on that before we go over 198 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,080 all the results and everything. 199 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,000 So, you're welcome to come up. Anybody 200 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:24,870 online, you're welcome to speak. 201 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,280 Buddy, 202 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,840 >> I'd like to know what your what does the 203 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,720 survey say? Can we comment on survey? 204 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:33,520 >> We could do that. 205 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:34,880 >> We can wait till after. 206 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:36,160 >> Yeah, we can do that. I'll open it up. 207 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:37,680 Yeah, but we'll do that. We'll go over 208 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:39,280 the survey and I'll reopen the survey 209 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,039 back up to public comment. 210 00:07:41,039 --> 00:07:42,960 >> That good? Okay, that's what we'll do. 211 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:44,800 Any other public comments not regarding 212 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:46,880 the survey? 213 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:48,479 No. Okay, I'm going to close out the 214 00:07:48,479 --> 00:07:49,759 public comment session and we're going 215 00:07:49,759 --> 00:07:51,840 to roll right into the public hearing. 216 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:53,280 I'm going to open up item number two, 217 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,680 ordinance O-2026-14, 218 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,479 repeal and replace title 14.13 219 00:07:58,479 --> 00:08:00,560 cemeteries. I'm not going to go into all 220 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:01,840 the details right now. I'm just going to 221 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:03,680 say that basically what we're doing is 222 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:05,280 throwing out all the old ordinances they 223 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:06,960 made 10 years ago and we're replacing 224 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:08,479 them with simpler ordinance. So, if 225 00:08:08,479 --> 00:08:11,039 anybody has any comments or concerns on 226 00:08:11,039 --> 00:08:14,639 that, anybody online? 227 00:08:14,639 --> 00:08:16,960 No, nobody. 228 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:18,240 All right, we're going to close out the 229 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:19,520 public hearing for item number two, 230 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,080 ordinance O-20226-14, 231 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,479 repeal and replace title 14.13 232 00:08:24,479 --> 00:08:26,800 cemeteries. Rolling into item number 233 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:27,840 three. I'm going to open up public 234 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,720 hearing for resolution R-2026-20, 235 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:32,640 water rate increase, amend title 236 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,519 01.20.010, 237 00:08:35,519 --> 00:08:37,519 residential of appendix A, schedule of 238 00:08:37,519 --> 00:08:40,479 water rates, fees, and charges. 239 00:08:40,479 --> 00:08:45,360 Any comments on that one? online 240 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,519 get a good explanation for that later. 241 00:08:47,519 --> 00:08:49,440 Okay, I'm going to close item number 242 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,040 three resol the public hearing on 243 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:52,959 resolution R-2026-20 244 00:08:52,959 --> 00:08:54,959 water rate increase amend title 245 00:08:54,959 --> 00:08:56,959 01.20.010 246 00:08:56,959 --> 00:08:58,959 residential appendix A schedule of water 247 00:08:58,959 --> 00:09:01,680 rates fees and charges. Last one roll on 248 00:09:01,680 --> 00:09:03,760 item number four, public hearing for 249 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,480 resolution R-2026-18 250 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,080 amending the town fee schedule relating 251 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:09,600 to water rates, solid waste fees, 252 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,680 boundary adjustments, master development 253 00:09:11,680 --> 00:09:13,120 agreements, water agreements, and other 254 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:14,800 agreements requiring legal engineering 255 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:16,560 or administrative review and 256 00:09:16,560 --> 00:09:20,480 establishing after the fact fees 257 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:22,959 online here got comments. 258 00:09:22,959 --> 00:09:26,949 >> What does that mean? 259 00:09:26,959 --> 00:09:28,560 It means a whole lot of stuff and I'll 260 00:09:28,560 --> 00:09:29,920 go over later and I'll tell you what if 261 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:31,440 you have any things you want to say 262 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,399 about my open I'll take your question. 263 00:09:34,399 --> 00:09:36,000 Okay, we're going to close item number 264 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,399 four resolution R-2026-18 265 00:09:38,399 --> 00:09:40,000 amending the town fee schedule relating 266 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:41,680 to water rates solid waste fees boundary 267 00:09:41,680 --> 00:09:43,200 adjustment master development agreements 268 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,200 water agreements and other agreements 269 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,120 requiring legal engineering or 270 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:48,560 administrative review and establishing 271 00:09:48,560 --> 00:09:51,040 after the fact fees. So we're going to 272 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:52,720 roll right into discussion and action. 273 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:54,720 We'll start right away with item number 274 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,440 five, public, sorry, parks and 275 00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:59,600 recreation survey results. I'll go over 276 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,160 the survey and then we'll open up some 277 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:04,720 public comments again. So, in a 278 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,519 nutshell, we had about 45 verified 279 00:10:07,519 --> 00:10:10,000 survey responses. Not a great turnout, 280 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,720 but we'll take what we can get. Um, I'm 281 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:13,600 not going to go through the whole 282 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:14,640 survey. I'm going to hit you with some 283 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,120 of the highest ranking uh priorities, 284 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:18,880 which seems to be walking and biking 285 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:20,399 trails, 286 00:10:20,399 --> 00:10:22,320 uh restrooms, 287 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,000 shade trees, and landscaping, 288 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:25,600 neighborhood parks, and community 289 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,079 gathering event spaces. 290 00:10:28,079 --> 00:10:31,360 Residents uh want more walking, biking, 291 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,519 multi-use trail system that provide safe 292 00:10:33,519 --> 00:10:34,959 recreation opportunities and connect 293 00:10:34,959 --> 00:10:37,600 different areas of the community. Cedar 294 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:39,040 Point area was most frequently 295 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,040 identified as needing some parks and 296 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,200 recreation area because they don't have 297 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:47,279 anything over there. Um most most report 298 00:10:47,279 --> 00:10:48,640 that they do not use the parks and 299 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,240 recreation facility only occasionally or 300 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,480 not at all in Apple Valley. Common 301 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:53,920 reason was lack of recreation 302 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,480 facilities, lack of nearby amenities, 303 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:57,920 limited facilities in outline 304 00:10:57,920 --> 00:10:59,760 neighborhoods, lack of shade and 305 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:01,360 restroom facilities which I'm not too 306 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,360 sure. 307 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:05,600 >> Well, we do hear that's it. Yeah, this 308 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,959 here. But so the tier one priorities, 309 00:11:08,959 --> 00:11:10,800 uh, the top two are restrooms and biking 310 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,600 trails or sorry, walking and biking 311 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,000 trails and restrooms. Top two, the top 312 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,079 tier two, something that come out with 313 00:11:18,079 --> 00:11:19,279 the pickle ball courts and community 314 00:11:19,279 --> 00:11:21,680 events and festival. So here's some of 315 00:11:21,680 --> 00:11:24,399 the ideas that we've been going around 316 00:11:24,399 --> 00:11:24,959 with. 317 00:11:24,959 --> 00:11:26,800 >> I know where we got a tenure parcel out 318 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:27,600 there close by. 319 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,480 >> I make hard work that out, 320 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,079 >> but Michelle's got a better idea and 321 00:11:32,079 --> 00:11:34,720 she's gonna work wonders. 322 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:35,920 her and chief have been very 323 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:37,760 instrumental in all this and a huge 324 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:39,279 help. I could not be doing this without 325 00:11:39,279 --> 00:11:40,880 him. I know I get the credit, but trust 326 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,279 me, this is all Michelle and Chief. Um, 327 00:11:43,279 --> 00:11:45,519 so some of this we talk about is hiking, 328 00:11:45,519 --> 00:11:48,000 walking, bike trails. U Michelle's been 329 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:49,920 really paying attention on how can we 330 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:52,560 connect Cedar Point over to proper with 331 00:11:52,560 --> 00:11:54,320 hiking trails, biking trails, stuff of 332 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:55,600 that nature. So, we'll kind of go over 333 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:59,360 that. Um, I something that I kind of had 334 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,360 an idea and I don't know if it'll people 335 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:02,959 will like it or not. If you've ever been 336 00:12:02,959 --> 00:12:04,640 to some of these walking trails in other 337 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:06,320 towns, they'll have outdoor workout 338 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:07,760 facilities along the trail where you can 339 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,399 stop and do pull-ups, push-ups, walk 340 00:12:10,399 --> 00:12:11,839 games, stuff like that. I don't know if 341 00:12:11,839 --> 00:12:14,000 there's interest there. Um, a big one 342 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:15,920 that wasn't brought up too much, but I 343 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,160 like, um, and if nobody else likes it, 344 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:19,440 doesn't matter. I'll just get one vote 345 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,440 like everybody else, but is a horse 346 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:22,800 arena because we have so many horse 347 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,360 people here. And I think when I'm 348 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,040 dealing with developers, we seem to be 349 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,079 trying to attract horse people. Um, so 350 00:12:30,079 --> 00:12:32,240 maybe a horse arena and I even went as 351 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:33,839 far as we've been over to Gunlock Falls. 352 00:12:33,839 --> 00:12:35,839 Gunlock, um, they have a neat little 353 00:12:35,839 --> 00:12:37,760 rodeo facility there. It's not too big, 354 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:39,920 it's not too small. Maybe we could get 355 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:41,200 into something like that that the 356 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:42,959 residents can use those facilities and 357 00:12:42,959 --> 00:12:44,639 then maybe once a year we have a little 358 00:12:44,639 --> 00:12:47,680 rodeo. Um, kind of bring some people in. 359 00:12:47,680 --> 00:12:49,440 >> So that's some ideas I had. Then we of 360 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,440 course playgrounds, pickle ball courts, 361 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:55,120 basketball courts. as we grow and we're 362 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:56,959 looking more like skate parks, BMX 363 00:12:56,959 --> 00:12:59,120 tracks, soccer field, baseball fields, 364 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,200 ponds with fishing, and then the petting 365 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:02,480 zoo with the community garden that I 366 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,079 eventually want to hook all in together. 367 00:13:04,079 --> 00:13:06,800 So, um, that's some of the stuff that's 368 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,200 come back. So, let's do this. Let's open 369 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:10,800 it back up. Let you guys say anything. 370 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:12,639 If you have suggestions, you guys can 371 00:13:12,639 --> 00:13:15,040 everybody can jump in. I'm not We're not 372 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,680 real official. Just jump up and 373 00:13:17,680 --> 00:13:19,360 >> stand up for this or am I good here? 374 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:20,320 >> You're good right there. when you're 375 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,560 doing the trails. My thoughts are I know 376 00:13:22,560 --> 00:13:23,839 there's at least some kids on the other 377 00:13:23,839 --> 00:13:25,839 side of the highway is if you have some 378 00:13:25,839 --> 00:13:27,839 access under the highway so kids and it 379 00:13:27,839 --> 00:13:29,279 might it would be beneficial for them 380 00:13:29,279 --> 00:13:31,279 even early on for the school depending 381 00:13:31,279 --> 00:13:32,880 on where you set it up. If they walked a 382 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:34,880 road to the to get on the bus they come 383 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,200 under the highway safe way to get in and 384 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,519 out. Same with the bike trails you can 385 00:13:39,519 --> 00:13:42,320 do that so you can share what's on 386 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,560 foot. 387 00:13:44,560 --> 00:13:45,600 You want to go to the front so you get a 388 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:46,240 better recording? 389 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:49,910 >> So I can get a better 390 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:51,600 death. Just I'm just going to put 391 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,120 resident just it just helps the 392 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:54,160 >> It helps with the reporting. 393 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:55,440 >> Yeah. 394 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:56,639 >> You go ahead. You might go ahead. 395 00:13:56,639 --> 00:14:00,870 >> Oh, I was just 396 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:01,440 back to 397 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,320 >> anybody else. The Utah Trail was going 398 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,279 to do up the highway. How's What's the 399 00:14:07,279 --> 00:14:08,480 timeline on that? 400 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:09,920 >> I don't know much stuff. You know, 401 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,560 >> I just got I saw something on Facebook 402 00:14:12,560 --> 00:14:13,600 about it. 403 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,040 >> Yeah. I have 404 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:18,240 >> something from here from Virgin out 405 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:22,480 sheet bridge and up to the state line. 406 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,279 >> Long has a long tie into that. 407 00:14:25,279 --> 00:14:26,880 >> Well, Michelle was kind of brainstorming 408 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:28,320 with me. 409 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,199 >> It's going to be a biking trail similar 410 00:14:31,199 --> 00:14:32,639 to what you see out on the other side of 411 00:14:32,639 --> 00:14:34,959 St. George where they've got the it's 412 00:14:34,959 --> 00:14:36,160 not going to be connected to the 413 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:37,199 highway. It's going to be in the 414 00:14:37,199 --> 00:14:38,240 easement 415 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:39,519 >> and it's like a paved 416 00:14:39,519 --> 00:14:43,279 >> but it's like a paved two-laneish. 417 00:14:43,279 --> 00:14:45,040 We kind of talked about that. We talked 418 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:46,639 about where the pipeline is somehow a 419 00:14:46,639 --> 00:14:48,320 walking trail, but like Michelle said, 420 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:49,760 most people don't want to bike or walk 421 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:51,040 right by the highway. And I would be 422 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,680 really scared of car losing control and 423 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:54,720 hitting someone. 424 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:54,959 >> Yeah, 425 00:14:54,959 --> 00:14:56,720 >> the odds are pretty slim like no, but we 426 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:58,639 do have a problem with the highway. So, 427 00:14:58,639 --> 00:15:00,480 she was actually looking at trying to 428 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,199 outline between town limits and 429 00:15:03,199 --> 00:15:05,279 wilderness property and chief actually 430 00:15:05,279 --> 00:15:07,519 jumped in and talked to BLM and and 431 00:15:07,519 --> 00:15:08,800 they're saying it might not be as hard 432 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:10,959 as we had been told. I don't have a lot 433 00:15:10,959 --> 00:15:12,079 of experience with it. I just go off 434 00:15:12,079 --> 00:15:13,360 what I've been told by people from the 435 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:14,959 past and they're this will never happen 436 00:15:14,959 --> 00:15:16,560 blah blah blah. But Chief's had pretty 437 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:18,560 good luck so far. So we're kind of 438 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:20,079 chugging along on those lines to where 439 00:15:20,079 --> 00:15:20,720 we can get 440 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:21,519 >> horseback riding. 441 00:15:21,519 --> 00:15:22,800 >> Yeah. Something with horseback riding 442 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:24,639 and hikers and stuff, bikers that can 443 00:15:24,639 --> 00:15:27,519 get from Cedar Point, bubbling wells 444 00:15:27,519 --> 00:15:28,959 coming along the edge of the hills, come 445 00:15:28,959 --> 00:15:30,800 over into here. We've even got a little 446 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:31,920 piece of land we're looking at that 447 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:33,519 maybe could be like a staging area where 448 00:15:33,519 --> 00:15:35,760 people could or horse trailers or 449 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:37,920 whatever. Um I would like it to continue 450 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:39,760 around the outskirts of town. We're 451 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:41,199 trying to make it so you don't cross the 452 00:15:41,199 --> 00:15:42,639 highway. Horses should not be crossing 453 00:15:42,639 --> 00:15:44,240 the highway, but you have a good idea, 454 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:45,839 Mike did, about, you know, some kind of 455 00:15:45,839 --> 00:15:48,000 underpass. I know there's a few of them 456 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,240 along the highway. Believe this or not, 457 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:51,519 uh you might not know this, but right 458 00:15:51,519 --> 00:15:52,800 there in the corner of Cedar Point where 459 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,839 the tiny homes are, there's a little we 460 00:15:55,839 --> 00:15:57,199 put a little culbert there. It goes 461 00:15:57,199 --> 00:15:58,880 under the highway. If you dig down, 462 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:00,240 there's a trail that goes under the 463 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:01,519 highway right there that used to run 464 00:16:01,519 --> 00:16:03,040 cattle through. It just filled in 465 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:04,560 completely. When we were digging the 466 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:05,519 pipeline, we found it and they're like, 467 00:16:05,519 --> 00:16:06,800 "What do you want us to do? This thing's 468 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,040 15 ft deep." I was like, "Well, you're 469 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:10,240 going to have to dig down and bury the 470 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:11,519 pipe under. What do you want me to say?" 471 00:16:11,519 --> 00:16:13,199 But there's actual tunnels right there 472 00:16:13,199 --> 00:16:14,560 that go under the highway. They're just 473 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:16,480 filled in. Um, so maybe that'd be 474 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:18,160 something we could utilize. I don't 475 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:19,680 know. I don't know what the rules are 476 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:23,749 with stuff like that. 477 00:16:23,759 --> 00:16:25,360 » So, you can ride So, I feel a mountain 478 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,759 bike. I'll ride down to like 479 00:16:27,759 --> 00:16:29,680 >> you can ride an hurricane from here 480 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,880 almost completely on dirt except to get 481 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,360 from out here to past Little Creek Mesa 482 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:36,800 there. Yeah. Do the highway for like a 483 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:38,000 half mile and every time I do it I feel 484 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:39,279 like I'm gonna die. 485 00:16:39,279 --> 00:16:41,759 >> I mean otherwise you can go up and go 486 00:16:41,759 --> 00:16:44,800 down this fire road that 487 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:46,399 >> you are taking your life in your hand. 488 00:16:46,399 --> 00:16:48,079 >> Yeah. So so through the trail to get 489 00:16:48,079 --> 00:16:50,079 from here to the edge of the gold road 490 00:16:50,079 --> 00:16:50,480 right there. 491 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:52,240 >> Gold wash the side and then go under the 492 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:53,279 highway. That'd be great. 493 00:16:53,279 --> 00:16:54,399 >> So gold wash road is going to be getting 494 00:16:54,399 --> 00:16:56,000 improved soon too. As a part of a 495 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,160 culttooka they got to put in culberts 496 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,160 widen the road put in new road bays make 497 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:01,440 it nice. So 498 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,040 >> that's a good idea. I know the same 499 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:04,319 thing. When you're on the side by side 500 00:17:04,319 --> 00:17:05,679 you got to come out right there. very 501 00:17:05,679 --> 00:17:07,360 lodged to jump on the highway to the 502 00:17:07,360 --> 00:17:10,880 wash that section right there. So, 503 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,120 >> no 504 00:17:13,120 --> 00:17:15,760 Steve 505 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,079 >> I'd like 506 00:17:18,079 --> 00:17:19,199 go ahead. 507 00:17:19,199 --> 00:17:21,280 >> We got the wash system running through 508 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:25,039 from the bottom down here goes into the 509 00:17:25,039 --> 00:17:27,760 underneath where you talking need to be 510 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:28,720 fixed. 511 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:30,640 >> While that process goes on, it's tall 512 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:32,720 enough to run horses. 513 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:34,559 >> Yeah. But we can take all the way up 514 00:17:34,559 --> 00:17:36,799 through this wash system, put check dams 515 00:17:36,799 --> 00:17:38,400 in there. If you want fishing ponds, 516 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,120 then we got an access to do that. We 517 00:17:41,120 --> 00:17:43,919 want trees, you cottonwood can go down 518 00:17:43,919 --> 00:17:46,880 in that wash to help hold them things. 519 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,600 >> So, it's a win-win situation. 520 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,559 Put picnic tables around by the trees. 521 00:17:52,559 --> 00:17:55,280 There's a influx of cottonwood at my 522 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:59,120 house. Need a home. 523 00:17:59,120 --> 00:18:00,799 state you'd like to donate the fish 524 00:18:00,799 --> 00:18:01,760 down, 525 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,000 >> but that's something we could look at 526 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,240 and then we can maintain this, slow this 527 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:08,160 flow of water down, get it back in our 528 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,400 aquafer. It's a win-win situation. We 529 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,160 got a park system out of it, walking 530 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:13,760 trails out of it, force trails out of 531 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:14,160 it. 532 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,039 >> The wash is really quite unique in the 533 00:18:17,039 --> 00:18:18,320 way it's designed and everything. 534 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:19,760 >> The issue with the only issue with the 535 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:21,200 wash is is everybody has to remember I 536 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:22,080 know everybody thinks the town owns 537 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:23,039 that. We do not have the private 538 00:18:23,039 --> 00:18:24,080 property that 539 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:25,120 >> but now this portion 540 00:18:25,120 --> 00:18:26,720 >> for engineers or whatever 541 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:31,039 >> this portion was owned by Travis home 542 00:18:31,039 --> 00:18:34,480 not anymore but obviously they want the 543 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:35,919 new whoever is going to get this land is 544 00:18:35,919 --> 00:18:37,520 going to want to develop this. So we 545 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,679 have some some pull there as far as 546 00:18:39,679 --> 00:18:41,760 getting some of this wide allocated to 547 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,360 the town for that but that portion down 548 00:18:43,360 --> 00:18:45,679 there but it's kind of useless land and 549 00:18:45,679 --> 00:18:47,919 maybe people would want to uh I know 550 00:18:47,919 --> 00:18:49,200 people ride the horses down there and 551 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,200 that's their business. I just don't ever 552 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:52,720 want to think the town owns that. But 553 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:54,000 yeah, we might be able to talk to those 554 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:55,600 property owners because it's really even 555 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:57,200 just give us a right of way to go. Not 556 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:58,559 don't don't have to give us the land, 557 00:18:58,559 --> 00:19:00,480 just give us a right of way to get 558 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:01,120 through. 559 00:19:01,120 --> 00:19:02,480 >> Right. You know, I was going to add to 560 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,160 that. It's nonusable down there. 561 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,480 Insurance region is in the flood zone. 562 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:07,039 >> Yes. 563 00:19:07,039 --> 00:19:09,600 >> So, I don't want to say con it can be 564 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:11,360 condemned, but it's nonusable. You 565 00:19:11,360 --> 00:19:13,280 cannot build a structure, 566 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,000 >> a permanent structure. So if they're 567 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,120 willing to give, it's just like we give 568 00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:20,960 to the center of the street for public 569 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:22,559 access. Yeah. Right. 570 00:19:22,559 --> 00:19:24,559 >> All right. So now this wash was they can 571 00:19:24,559 --> 00:19:27,520 give 13 ft whatever and there we go 572 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,440 through that. We can get it all sloped 573 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:31,520 off so it's properly draining into it 574 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,080 instead of flooding into it. Catch that 575 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:35,520 water and get it back down in the 576 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,200 aquifer all the way along that plant 577 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,120 that cottonwoods in there. their water 578 00:19:39,120 --> 00:19:41,360 storage t 579 00:19:41,360 --> 00:19:43,039 their root system they'll maintain 580 00:19:43,039 --> 00:19:45,120 themsel 581 00:19:45,120 --> 00:19:48,559 if we ever get any rain but 582 00:19:48,559 --> 00:19:51,120 >> we will get the rain but we can look at 583 00:19:51,120 --> 00:19:53,600 all aspects of of 584 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:55,280 then you got a walking trail all the way 585 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,520 to the top you got a road and access 586 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,520 where the cattle came through now horse 587 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,760 can go through cross the other side now 588 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:03,280 we got to figure a way to get them back 589 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,320 on the other side point or they split 590 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,000 off there and go up and take care of 591 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,280 that uh the do. 592 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,840 >> Yeah. 593 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:15,760 >> On the edge of the BLM. 594 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:17,360 >> Do that. You got a deal there. Then it 595 00:20:17,360 --> 00:20:19,120 gets out gets you access to all that 596 00:20:19,120 --> 00:20:21,360 rock country. 597 00:20:21,360 --> 00:20:23,679 >> We got trails back up around this and go 598 00:20:23,679 --> 00:20:25,360 up into the canyons or whatever. It's 599 00:20:25,360 --> 00:20:26,799 still private through there, but then 600 00:20:26,799 --> 00:20:30,960 you get into the BLM down in there, too. 601 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,200 >> Good. Before Before we go, I feel like I 602 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:34,640 might have some dirt bike riders back 603 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,600 here possibly. Uh, don't worry if this 604 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:39,360 is a concern with you guys. Everything I 605 00:20:39,360 --> 00:20:42,480 do with the developments is has to have 606 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,559 plenty of open roads to connect to the 607 00:20:44,559 --> 00:20:46,000 BLM land. I'm not going to block you 608 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:47,760 guys off. I I don't I'm too old to ride 609 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,760 dirt bikes, but I'm an off-roader. Um, 610 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:50,960 everything we do, we're trying to keep 611 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:52,960 roads and access to the BLM land. So, 612 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:54,400 we're never having to go through 613 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:55,679 someone's private development. We're 614 00:20:55,679 --> 00:20:57,120 working around them, making them, in 615 00:20:57,120 --> 00:20:59,600 fact, go a cult out there on Gold Wash 616 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,360 Road. We actually making them make a 617 00:21:01,360 --> 00:21:03,600 specific trail that goes from Gold Bash 618 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,120 on the side of their development to 619 00:21:05,120 --> 00:21:06,880 access the BLM to go up that hill up 620 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,159 towards the towers. So, we're not going 621 00:21:08,159 --> 00:21:09,600 to close it off when we're developing 622 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:09,919 that. 623 00:21:09,919 --> 00:21:11,039 >> Good. 624 00:21:11,039 --> 00:21:12,080 >> Okay. 625 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,000 >> Kathy Stoker 626 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,240 and I'm a horseback rider 627 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,960 >> and I've been here about six years. Been 628 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,000 shown some of these trails that go here, 629 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,960 there, and everywhere. And lately, we've 630 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,320 been blocked off from access to some of 631 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:32,159 these. Uh, and I I'd put up a gate if 632 00:21:32,159 --> 00:21:35,919 they'd let us have uh access to say, 633 00:21:35,919 --> 00:21:38,159 "Okay, we we know we don't want the cows 634 00:21:38,159 --> 00:21:39,679 here, there, and everywhere, 635 00:21:39,679 --> 00:21:42,320 >> you know." Uh but to instead of having 636 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,440 Fort Knox to have a gate that we have to 637 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:49,200 try to get through, uh I'd put up a gate 638 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,000 if they just give us the rightway to 639 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,480 continue access to that. I don't, you 640 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,320 know, I don't think it's that big of a 641 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:57,039 deal, but 642 00:21:57,039 --> 00:21:59,360 >> some residents can or some can be very 643 00:21:59,360 --> 00:22:02,159 cooperative and some be like, 644 00:22:02,159 --> 00:22:04,240 >> don't even come near me, don't come to 645 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,640 my nothing. So, it just depends on the 646 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,039 property owners. Um, we don't close 647 00:22:09,039 --> 00:22:10,880 anything up. Honestly, the town hardly 648 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:12,640 owns anything. The town does not own I 649 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:13,600 know a lot of people think, "Oh, it's 650 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:14,880 town property." The town hardly I mean, 651 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:16,799 we own this right here and we own over 652 00:22:16,799 --> 00:22:18,480 there at the mailboxes. 653 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:19,039 >> That's about it. 654 00:22:19,039 --> 00:22:20,480 We own the wells and 655 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:21,840 the tank right there. Just that little 656 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,159 area. Towns own a lot of property. 657 00:22:24,159 --> 00:22:25,440 Unfortunately, we do not. But 658 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,679 >> Well, and I know you own the pond that's 659 00:22:27,679 --> 00:22:31,360 over there at the end of Zion Drive that 660 00:22:31,360 --> 00:22:32,799 they where 661 00:22:32,799 --> 00:22:34,240 >> Yeah. For the wealth. 662 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,600 >> Yeah. There's a 3acre thing there for 663 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,320 that. But anyway, yeah, I just we just 664 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,039 uh want to have access to we can keep 665 00:22:43,039 --> 00:22:46,320 riding from our house. We go and we hit 666 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,400 the the trail up there by the water 667 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,559 tower. There's a nice trail up around 668 00:22:50,559 --> 00:22:52,320 there. And to go down, I know we're on 669 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,240 people's properties, but the road's 670 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,240 there and it's been there forever that 671 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,559 if somebody thinks, you know, that 672 00:22:58,559 --> 00:23:00,640 should be cut off, there's, you know, 673 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,159 hey, we've been doing this for a long 674 00:23:02,159 --> 00:23:04,720 time. Do they have the right to say, 675 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,080 "Nope, we don't want you there anymore." 676 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:07,760 But so far so good. 677 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,280 >> Clue here. Maybe you guys all know this. 678 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,039 is what I was taught. If there's a 679 00:23:11,039 --> 00:23:12,960 no trespassing sign, you don't go in. If 680 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:14,159 there's a lock gate, obviously you don't 681 00:23:14,159 --> 00:23:16,159 go in. Or if there's a some a sign or a 682 00:23:16,159 --> 00:23:17,679 tree painted orange. 683 00:23:17,679 --> 00:23:21,039 >> If it's not there, you go in, you shut 684 00:23:21,039 --> 00:23:22,640 the gate, and you're and you're allowed 685 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:23,840 to go through there. People don't care. 686 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,919 And that's kind of the rule I practice. 687 00:23:25,919 --> 00:23:27,760 I don't I don't horseback ride anymore, 688 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,080 but I I offroad my Can-Am and my 689 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:31,280 Expeditions. 690 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,120 >> Yeah. And that's the rule we live by. 691 00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:34,799 And we've never I've never had a problem 692 00:23:34,799 --> 00:23:36,799 nobody yell at me. But I do know if you 693 00:23:36,799 --> 00:23:39,280 they're paint orange. Use that purple. I 694 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:40,240 didn't know purple. 695 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,080 >> There's some property around this area 696 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,960 proper that we have to actually to get 697 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,120 to BLM land. We have to go through. 698 00:23:47,120 --> 00:23:48,000 >> Yeah. 699 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,080 >> I guess that's the point is 700 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,159 >> now what we can do is as they develop 701 00:23:52,159 --> 00:23:53,679 this land, like I said, I can make sure 702 00:23:53,679 --> 00:23:55,360 we have access through there that they 703 00:23:55,360 --> 00:23:57,520 don't close us off. But until they 704 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,280 develop, if they just own the property, 705 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,120 I can't there. I have no power to say 706 00:24:01,120 --> 00:24:02,480 you have to let people go in there. It's 707 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,480 just if they want to let you, they can. 708 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,080 But when they sign up for when they come 709 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:07,520 to us and say, "Hey, we want to develop 710 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:08,880 property. We want to put this in. We 711 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,960 want to put a house in." Then I can say, 712 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:12,960 "Okay, but this is what you're going to 713 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:13,440 do." 714 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,120 >> Is it just a couple of parcels? 715 00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:16,880 >> There's places that have been open and 716 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,760 then they got closed, you know, 717 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,799 >> Fort Knox fences. 718 00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:25,039 >> So the land sell there's a new owner 719 00:24:25,039 --> 00:24:25,760 there now. 720 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,000 >> Yeah. And it's public road to public 721 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,919 road. It's just sometimes people really 722 00:24:29,919 --> 00:24:32,240 want to deter you to go through it. It 723 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,559 makes it really hard. They have, you 724 00:24:34,559 --> 00:24:35,919 know, lots of stuff 725 00:24:35,919 --> 00:24:37,840 >> and even though you're actually on a 726 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,159 rideway, a public rideway, and that's 727 00:24:40,159 --> 00:24:41,440 kind of what we're just trying to make 728 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,360 sure our public rideways stay open and 729 00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:45,760 have access to get that via live land 730 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,679 kind of like what a cultura is doing 731 00:24:47,679 --> 00:24:48,799 around here. 732 00:24:48,799 --> 00:24:49,279 >> Yeah, 733 00:24:49,279 --> 00:24:51,039 >> because a lot of us have horses around 734 00:24:51,039 --> 00:24:53,679 here. 735 00:24:53,679 --> 00:24:57,120 >> We could get our little caucus going. 736 00:24:57,120 --> 00:24:58,799 Maybe we can look at that specifically 737 00:24:58,799 --> 00:25:01,279 and try to come up with some plan to 738 00:25:01,279 --> 00:25:04,159 >> unfortunately takes one two two gates. 739 00:25:04,159 --> 00:25:06,240 And if we could, 740 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:07,919 >> you know, if they would say, okay, as 741 00:25:07,919 --> 00:25:09,760 long as you keep those cows out of 742 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,159 >> and on the back of the well subdivision 743 00:25:12,159 --> 00:25:13,440 would be really nice if we could just 744 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:18,159 have a gate that has access to outside 745 00:25:18,159 --> 00:25:21,360 that into that subdivision. 746 00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:22,400 >> We could show you. 747 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,400 >> So, yeah. So, 748 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:25,679 >> thank you. 749 00:25:25,679 --> 00:25:27,200 Let me explain a little something about 750 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,279 that. Unfortunately, when the well 751 00:25:29,279 --> 00:25:30,960 subdivision went in, it was not handled 752 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,880 properly. Um, we had an emergency exit 753 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,880 there. There is an easement there. 754 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,799 Unfortunately, as most easements are 755 00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:40,880 supposed to be done, granted to the town 756 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,120 and the town owned that the 757 00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:44,960 administration did not make the wells 758 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,919 dedicate that to the town. So, they 759 00:25:47,919 --> 00:25:50,159 actually own that easement right away. 760 00:25:50,159 --> 00:25:52,720 So, I can't make them say, "Oh, that's 761 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,480 the town emergency exit. we can have 762 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,799 people going through on horseback. So, 763 00:25:56,799 --> 00:25:58,480 yeah. So, we'll we'll look at it and see 764 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,640 what we can come up with. Um, but I'm 765 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,240 very in tune to that. I mean, I want 766 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:03,679 this to be a horse town. That's what 767 00:26:03,679 --> 00:26:05,440 people a lot, you know, seems like 768 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:06,720 you're either an off-roader or a horse 769 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,640 rider. The people that move here, um, 770 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,320 it's two of the big things. Bikers, 771 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:11,760 hikers, you know, I get all that stuff, 772 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,159 too. But, um, I'm very in tune, even 773 00:26:14,159 --> 00:26:15,679 though I don't ride anymore. I'm very in 774 00:26:15,679 --> 00:26:17,679 tune with that. I do want to keep as 775 00:26:17,679 --> 00:26:19,520 much trails and open space as we 776 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,440 possibly can. So, um, I'll look at that. 777 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,360 Maybe I'll get with you later and you 778 00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:26,559 can tell me where some of these gates 779 00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:28,400 are too and I can call property owners 780 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,200 and just ask nicely. That's about all I 781 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:32,240 clout I have with them. 782 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:33,679 >> Maybe we can too, but I don't know. 783 00:26:33,679 --> 00:26:35,120 >> Is that mainly because they're running 784 00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:36,240 cattle in there and you're worried about 785 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:37,200 the cattle getting 786 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,919 >> I think that's what it is 787 00:26:39,919 --> 00:26:40,720 a fence. 788 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:41,760 >> I know what 789 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:45,679 >> fences that you'd have to have a hold. 790 00:26:45,679 --> 00:26:47,200 >> Is there Is there any way to run a new 791 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,360 fence line down or opening that ement up 792 00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:51,600 where the cattle can't get out? Uh, we 793 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,039 just need to put the gates in. They 794 00:26:53,039 --> 00:26:54,799 they'll just let me I'll put the gates 795 00:26:54,799 --> 00:26:56,960 in. I'll put the gates in. Just 796 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,320 >> I'll have the guys put it in if they'll 797 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,480 let us. But the issue I know with I do 798 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,159 know a couple of the cattle people that 799 00:27:02,159 --> 00:27:03,520 run cow the people that run cattle here 800 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,200 are usually not the property owners. 801 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:06,880 They are contracting or leasing the 802 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,279 property. And I do know two of them that 803 00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:11,440 had really bad issues with gates being 804 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,039 left open. I'm not saying it was you 805 00:27:13,039 --> 00:27:15,200 guys obviously. It's none of us. 806 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:16,559 >> One bad person. and then that and their 807 00:27:16,559 --> 00:27:18,480 cows got out and what one of them there 808 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,880 was even a cow that was hit on the 809 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:26,400 highway and it did $1,000 damage for the 810 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,080 car and the cow. Um so yeah, and they 811 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:31,200 said, "Okay, we're just going to fence 812 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,120 these gates off because people be open 813 00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:36,080 and so yeah, I can I can get with you 814 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:37,200 and see which gates you're talking about 815 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:38,960 and see what I can do to help." I I can 816 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,799 try. I can't make no promise, but I I 817 00:27:40,799 --> 00:27:41,760 can try. 818 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,440 >> Yeah. And if if they'll let us, I'll 819 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,520 send the guys out to put up a gate for 820 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:46,720 you. No problem. 821 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,000 >> I get involved in 822 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:51,919 the 823 00:27:51,919 --> 00:27:55,830 >> I heard you 824 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:56,880 probably 825 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:57,600 >> How's that? 826 00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,360 >> I know the water truck's not ours. Who 827 00:27:59,360 --> 00:28:00,320 does it belong to? 828 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:01,760 >> The water truck. 829 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,279 >> The pump track over there. 830 00:28:03,279 --> 00:28:04,320 >> No, the pump track. 831 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:04,880 >> Where else? 832 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,720 >> Over by Cedar Point where they ride all 833 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:07,760 their motorbikes and stuff. 834 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:08,480 >> BLM land. 835 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:09,760 >> Oh, the track. I'm sorry. You said 836 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,120 track. I used to say Oh, yeah. That's 837 00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:14,080 BLM. That doesn't do all 838 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,840 >> everything north of that. 839 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,360 >> Yeah. No, they can. I mean, everybody 840 00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:19,120 goes there. I know Mike done some work. 841 00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:21,279 I know some people work on that and and 842 00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:24,159 >> yeah, that's that's all BLM land. Even 843 00:28:24,159 --> 00:28:27,120 that road that is considered a town road 844 00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:29,600 is not our road. It's privately owned at 845 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:30,559 BLM, 846 00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:33,120 >> but it has been there seven years, so it 847 00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:34,880 becomes a prescriptive easement. 848 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,559 >> So, we're working on some of those. So, 849 00:28:36,559 --> 00:28:37,840 >> that road's been there a long time. 850 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,440 >> Yeah, we're working on some of those, 851 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,799 too. Yep. What else? Anybody else? Hey, 852 00:28:42,799 --> 00:28:43,600 Linda. 853 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,399 >> Okay, Linda. 854 00:28:46,399 --> 00:28:48,080 So, I know that it looks like we're 855 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,120 looking at the bigger picture of the 856 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,760 hiking trails, the bikes, that kind of 857 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,320 thing, but what about things that are 858 00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:00,480 smaller? So, I got told a couple people 859 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,000 about where I work. They put a mile long 860 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,200 track in around their property. 861 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,440 Super beautiful. 862 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,880 It's all done with um the sand thing so 863 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,200 it can't hurt anybody and anybody could 864 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,760 go on it. Somebody with a baby stroller, 865 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,320 somebody with a wheelchair, 866 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,799 somebody that just wants to walk. I 867 00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:24,880 don't know what it would run, but that's 868 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:29,440 a smaller idea of just a walking area 869 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,360 for the older and young people. Okay. 870 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:34,399 >> The other thing is 871 00:29:34,399 --> 00:29:35,360 >> neighborhood. 872 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,120 >> The neighborhood. And then the other 873 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:43,919 thing is the skateboard part that and I know that that could bring a lot of 874 00:29:43,919 --> 00:29:46,080 people to get hurt maybe and need 875 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,360 insurance and all that but to me 876 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,919 something that small and it doesn't have 877 00:29:51,919 --> 00:29:54,880 to be gigantic. I mean, these skate 878 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,840 parks started in swimming pools. 879 00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:58,640 >> Yep. 880 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,679 >> And they can be bigger than that. But 881 00:30:01,679 --> 00:30:04,559 again, that's giving some of these kids 882 00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:05,039 >> absolutely 883 00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:06,320 >> something to do. 884 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,080 >> And that's what I'm worried about is 885 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:09,919 these kids. 886 00:30:09,919 --> 00:30:12,480 >> Some are able to find their own 887 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:13,279 enjoyment. 888 00:30:13,279 --> 00:30:14,000 >> Yep. 889 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,840 >> But there's other ones that have nothing 890 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,919 to do, so they find things they 891 00:30:17,919 --> 00:30:18,799 shouldn't find. 892 00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:20,480 >> Do do any of them like pulling weeds? 893 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,200 Just send them over. 894 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,279 No, I did all that. So, I gave it. So, 895 00:30:25,279 --> 00:30:27,279 let me kind of tell you guys the vision 896 00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:29,679 that I have unless public input kind of 897 00:30:29,679 --> 00:30:30,640 changes that. 898 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,799 >> So, the vision I have is we're going to 899 00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:34,240 continue with this park here and we're 900 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,000 going to add on to it. I had already 901 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,440 started working out a deal with the 902 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,120 developer that did own the land. He 903 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:40,480 doesn't own it anymore. So, I'll have to 904 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,799 start new talks with the new owner comes 905 00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:44,000 in once it develops because it's going 906 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,440 to happen. I I told you guys once the 907 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,480 zone change is done. I can't stop. They 908 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,000 previous administrations approved that. 909 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,679 Nothing I can do. We can slow it down. 910 00:30:51,679 --> 00:30:52,960 We can do it, right? A lot of stuff we 911 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,720 can do, but I can't stop it. So, it's 912 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:55,840 going to still get developed even though 913 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,679 they don't own. So, when that time 914 00:30:57,679 --> 00:31:00,080 comes, I'm going to get them to donate. 915 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,679 One of the people looking to buy it was 916 00:31:01,679 --> 00:31:02,960 offering like 100 acres. They were like, 917 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,159 "Whatever you want." So, we're going to 918 00:31:04,159 --> 00:31:06,960 get more land right here. And my vision 919 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,559 was a nice park with a big couple big 920 00:31:10,559 --> 00:31:12,880 ponds with some fishing fishing guys, 921 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,520 you know. um and naturally bed into 922 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,520 that, feeding it in, tying that in with 923 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,600 the community garden, a property north 924 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,440 of the cemetery for animals with a 925 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:22,880 petting zoo. They can start raising 926 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,559 animals, chickens, cows, all that good 927 00:31:24,559 --> 00:31:25,919 stuff. And have a lot of parks there 928 00:31:25,919 --> 00:31:28,080 with walking trail all the way around 929 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,919 the whole park, across the pond, the 930 00:31:29,919 --> 00:31:32,480 bridge, and something along those lines. 931 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,960 Pickle ball courts, just stuff to do all 932 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,279 right here in Cedar Point. I know Cedar 933 00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:39,120 Point gets left out of this. Uh we are 934 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,799 working Michelle's actually we just kind 935 00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:42,320 of started working on getting some BLM 936 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,320 land over there possibly near the fire 937 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,000 station. Nothing written in stone. We're 938 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,919 trying where we'll build a secondary 939 00:31:47,919 --> 00:31:49,519 small park over there with some hiking 940 00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:51,440 trails that will come over this way and 941 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,320 connect everything together. Um my other 942 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,640 vision was the out along the highway is 943 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,159 going to be the commercial area. That's 944 00:31:58,159 --> 00:31:59,840 the way it's going. So from Chevron on 945 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,279 both sides of the highway over towards 946 00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:02,960 Gooseberry Lodges, you're going to have 947 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,279 commercial in there. And with the last 948 00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:07,200 developer I had talked about a walking 949 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,760 street that's closed to driving and 950 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,600 you'll have a great big parking lot 951 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,480 where people not not high ground when 952 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,760 I'm going high people can park there 953 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,000 >> and yeah and walk down the walking 954 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,039 street and you'll have little 955 00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:23,279 restaurants and stuff to do with no 956 00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:25,120 traffic so you can say please we got 957 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:26,240 tourists that's what we have we don't 958 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,240 have a mine we don't have factories we 959 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:29,600 have touris that's what's going to be 960 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,279 out we get tourists like it or not 961 00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:32,720 that's what's going to happen we got 962 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,039 Zion 20 minutes way. That's what's going 963 00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:36,480 to happen to Apple Valley. It's going to 964 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,600 be towards So, um, that walking street 965 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,440 would then connect over, start over here 966 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:42,799 at the commercial area with a parking 967 00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:45,360 lot, connect over and end up over here 968 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,279 into the park, the community garden, the 969 00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:49,200 petting zoo. If you've noticed on my 970 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,039 town plan, that's a really big parking 971 00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:53,120 lot right there by the cemetery and the 972 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:54,880 town garden. So, that was a thought. You 973 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,720 could come and park on either end and do 974 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,760 a shopping trail out here over to there. 975 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:00,159 So 976 00:33:00,159 --> 00:33:06,559 >> they had 450 million people visit 977 00:33:06,559 --> 00:33:10,000 >> phenomenal amount 978 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,360 >> 450 979 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,039 >> second most visited park in the nation 980 00:33:13,039 --> 00:33:14,480 >> in the nation. 981 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:18,720 >> So yeah it's coming. I mean it's it's I can't stop it guys. I mean I can stop 982 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,039 any we I shouldn't say I. We can stop 983 00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:24,159 anyone new grow any zone changes. That's 984 00:33:24,159 --> 00:33:26,240 your power zone changes. If they all the 985 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:27,279 stuff that was approved though it's 986 00:33:27,279 --> 00:33:28,960 gone. So, I just wanted to tell you guys 987 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,399 that that cuz that's where the the park 988 00:33:30,399 --> 00:33:32,559 situation is going. A huge massive park 989 00:33:32,559 --> 00:33:35,279 here with the sky's is the limit. Um, 990 00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:36,880 it's all based on the impact that we're 991 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,320 working on. And then a secondary park 992 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:39,679 over there in Cedar and that's as far as 993 00:33:39,679 --> 00:33:41,600 we've gotten. Jeepson Canyon and their 994 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:42,799 development agreement they have, but 995 00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:44,080 they have to put a park in. I think it's 996 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:45,440 two acres. 997 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:46,960 >> Whatever they build over here will just 998 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,360 be part of this. So, 999 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:50,880 that's kind of going to get tied into 1000 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,080 the park. So, I just brought that up. 1001 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:53,679 You brought up the walking trail and 1002 00:33:53,679 --> 00:33:55,279 that was my vision. have, you know, a 1003 00:33:55,279 --> 00:33:56,960 huge, like you said, a mile long parking 1004 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,039 trail that goes, I envision trees and 1005 00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:01,200 some grass and some ponds and just a 1006 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:02,000 beautiful area. 1007 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,559 >> And they did it all in rock so much. I 1008 00:34:04,559 --> 00:34:06,000 mean, they have trees, 1009 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,000 >> but it's done. The ground is rock. 1010 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,480 There's no grass, so it's not picky. 1011 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,000 They do have 1012 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,839 >> two waterfalls 1013 00:34:13,839 --> 00:34:15,919 >> and a little stream that's no bigger 1014 00:34:15,919 --> 00:34:18,000 from you to me 1015 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,639 >> that at least you can have a bench and 1016 00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:22,720 sit there and listen to the sound of 1017 00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:23,679 water. Mhm. 1018 00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:27,679 >> Um I'm sure it cost I don't think it's 1019 00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:30,879 cheap, but it's got to be cheaper than 1020 00:34:30,879 --> 00:34:31,359 >> Yeah. 1021 00:34:31,359 --> 00:34:32,560 >> doing these big 1022 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,000 >> Yeah. It's kind of a twofold. When we 1023 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,159 talk talk parks and wreck, we will have 1024 00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:37,760 actual parks and that kind of gets into 1025 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,119 pickle ball courts and basketball courts 1026 00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:40,800 and all that, but then there's the 1027 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,399 hiking trails and the biking. It's all 1028 00:34:42,399 --> 00:34:45,040 rolled into one. So, yes, we do have 1029 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,280 plans for I know you guys saw we kind of 1030 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:48,560 in the talented may a lot of people 1031 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,760 drove about a pool. We can't do a pool. 1032 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:52,879 Too much liability, too much 1033 00:34:52,879 --> 00:34:54,159 maintenance. I looked into it for you 1034 00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:56,079 guys and nobody's going to go for the 1035 00:34:56,079 --> 00:34:57,280 liability and the maintenance is 1036 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,040 outrageous for because there's you have 1037 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:00,160 to go through the health department when 1038 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,400 it's a town pool. Like my I don't have 1039 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,880 to do that, but a town pool. So, I doubt 1040 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,040 that happen, but maybe a splash pad. 1041 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:08,960 This development here, the few people 1042 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,400 that are looking into buying it now that 1043 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,480 it's under different ownership are 1044 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,280 looking into more a 1045 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:16,800 not the higher end staying like a 1046 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,599 cultteroka with $7 million homes like 1047 00:35:19,599 --> 00:35:20,960 they're envisioning. They're envisioning 1048 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,040 affordable oneacre lots that are going 1049 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,520 to sell for a couple hundred,000 more 1050 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,000 geared to people like uh the they're 1051 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,520 going to need a culture ro I think he 1052 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,200 told me and I think could be created 250 1053 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,320 positions they're going to have over 1054 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,400 there when it's all said and done. So 1055 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,240 he's got to have somewhere for these 1056 00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:37,440 people to live. So that's kind of the 1057 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,440 thought with this over here is 1acre 1058 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,440 lots are a little more affordable. Um 1059 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,599 and those will bring in more families 1060 00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:45,520 thus more need for parks and stuff like 1061 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,640 that. Uh we have a BMX bike track type 1062 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,800 deal something on our list this skate 1063 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,040 park of course like we talked about the 1064 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:54,800 hiking trails the motorcycles all that 1065 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:55,680 stuff. So 1066 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,800 >> well and I know on trees some take a 1067 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,640 long time to grow but Richard will cut 1068 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,760 you cottonwoods I've got 11 of them in 1069 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,240 my at my house. The only thing is the 1070 00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:09,359 leaves when they drop and the snowfall 1071 00:36:09,359 --> 00:36:11,920 >> but it's not a big deal. It's It's sort 1072 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,760 of nice, you know. It doesn't get into 1073 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,920 stuff. 1074 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,880 >> I can see this coming. 1075 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,440 >> We got a home for the leaves, Kevin. 1076 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,839 >> We do. We will be over to collect those 1077 00:36:23,839 --> 00:36:25,440 for the community garden. Although 1078 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,040 you're a part of that. You spag them up 1079 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,119 and get them down. 1080 00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:30,800 >> So, my vision goes around the community 1081 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,599 garden with the park and incorporating 1082 00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:36,640 the fish, the ponds, of what a river. I 1083 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,720 haven't worked too much with them yet, 1084 00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:40,400 but that's my goal. And then the the 1085 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,079 petting zoo. These are going to be 1086 00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:44,079 animals, I'm guessing, for the garden 1087 00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:45,440 that are going to be butchered and 1088 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:46,720 consumed. But the kids don't need to 1089 00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:47,920 know that. We could just tell them it's 1090 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,760 a petting zoo. And you know, they're 1091 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,040 going to go pet the cows and the 1092 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:52,320 chickens. No elephants. 1093 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,599 >> Yeah. Cows, chickens, goats, you know, 1094 00:36:55,599 --> 00:36:56,720 something like that. Just somewhere for 1095 00:36:56,720 --> 00:36:58,240 the 1096 00:36:58,240 --> 00:36:59,520 >> Yep. 1097 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:00,560 >> Something I'm preaching in the corner 1098 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,480 about the whole thing. So, we open that 1099 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,240 fishing store. Of course, I'm biased, 1100 00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:06,480 but um I'm amazed at how many kids come 1101 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,320 into our store and they're just addicted 1102 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,400 to fishing and it's probably keeping 1103 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,000 them out of trouble and they're and 1104 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,200 they're sneaking in the ponds in 1105 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:14,800 Pokerville and on golf courses and 1106 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:15,920 everything. I think that could happen 1107 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:16,720 here. 1108 00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:19,119 >> Um and and and even like I'm amazed that 1109 00:37:19,119 --> 00:37:20,720 even just older people that can't get up 1110 00:37:20,720 --> 00:37:22,160 to the higher elevation mountains and 1111 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:23,920 they're they're going to like held out 1112 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,320 pond or fishing there. So I think if you 1113 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:27,760 guys do that I think we might even be 1114 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,320 one to help build a accessible dock for 1115 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,079 people with mobility issues that fish 1116 00:37:32,079 --> 00:37:32,880 off the dock. 1117 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:34,800 >> So Bradley's vision some Bradley his 1118 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,720 vision is to somehow we get all this 1119 00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:38,640 land over here and we dam it up and this 1120 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,000 is a giant lake. 1121 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:40,400 >> Yeah. 1122 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:41,920 >> It's going to bring in tourists. Uh 1123 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:43,920 nobody can build houses there. We're 1124 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,200 going to have a water supply go in the 1125 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:46,480 offer. I just don't know how to execute. 1126 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,079 It's a great idea, but I would love to 1127 00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:50,640 have some kind of recreation type ponds. 1128 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:51,920 I mean the ones I'm talking about in the 1129 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:53,920 park are smaller level but we've been 1130 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,599 looking different spot because it is 1131 00:37:55,599 --> 00:37:58,240 good for the aquafer and you can use it 1132 00:37:58,240 --> 00:37:59,599 as a reservoir but now you got to bring 1133 00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:01,119 in treatment and that's very expensive. 1134 00:38:01,119 --> 00:38:02,240 So, I'm not saying that's not down the 1135 00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:03,440 road. That's definitely coming with 1136 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,599 growth, but we would love to do 1137 00:38:05,599 --> 00:38:07,520 something like that and Bradley been 1138 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,280 trying to obviously the developers 1139 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:10,400 aren't into it because there's no money 1140 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,960 in that for them. Um, but 1141 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,560 >> Well, also my birds up the valley here. 1142 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,040 >> It is. No, no, for sure. I 1143 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,359 >> We can excavate out that three acre side 1144 00:38:21,359 --> 00:38:24,240 of the hill. 1145 00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:26,240 >> I donate my 10 acres, but Bradley's got 1146 00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:27,920 this vision of on the side of the 1147 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,520 highway. I mean, Brad's got like this 1148 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,800 400 acre lake vision, you know, like 1149 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,160 >> you know what that's going to help 1150 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,640 create here? Going to put the humidity 1151 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,720 in the atmosphere, right? It's going to 1152 00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:40,880 rain. 1153 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,240 >> It's all great. I just can't figure out 1154 00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:43,359 how to do it. 1155 00:38:43,359 --> 00:38:45,359 >> You got to just get it put together. How 1156 00:38:45,359 --> 00:38:47,119 to how to get this to fit. 1157 00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:49,359 >> Bradley always has great ideas. He just 1158 00:38:49,359 --> 00:38:50,720 doesn't tell me how to execute them. 1159 00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:52,160 That's 1160 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,000 >> Bradley. We'll give you We'll give you 1161 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,960 >> I'm trying. I'm trying. I'm trying. So, 1162 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,880 that's something dumping one of your one 1163 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,119 of my best customers, your nephew. You 1164 00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:02,160 aren't 1165 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:03,839 >> Yep. No, he loves it. I mean, I don't 1166 00:39:03,839 --> 00:39:05,280 know where this came from. We never He's 1167 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:06,320 never fished in his life and all of a 1168 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:07,440 sudden got into fishing and I went 1169 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:08,480 fishing. Yes, sir. 1170 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,320 >> I was just going to say I like all the 1171 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:11,680 ideas, but we should definitely hone in 1172 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,040 on the sports section for all the 1173 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:13,839 younger people. 1174 00:39:13,839 --> 00:39:14,320 >> Yes. 1175 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,160 >> I know probably everyone else doesn't 1176 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,000 care much about pickle ball and 1177 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,800 volleyball and stuff, but yeah, that'd 1178 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:21,280 be great. 1179 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:22,720 >> What kind of stuff you guys like to see? 1180 00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:25,359 I I have Yeah, the pickle ball for the 1181 00:39:25,359 --> 00:39:26,800 elderly people. I don't think young 1182 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,000 people in it too much. Of course, the 1183 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,200 playgrounds for little kids. I have 1184 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:30,880 basketball courts, baseball fields, 1185 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,280 soccer. Um, just I want to get a big 1186 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:34,960 grassy area with some soccer goals. I 1187 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,000 mean, from there, you don't have to play 1188 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,680 soccer. You can do pretty much. I know 1189 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,359 it seems to be real big over Hill, but 1190 00:39:39,359 --> 00:39:41,040 Frisbee golf. I always thought that was 1191 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,200 kind of a It's kind of funny to see 1192 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,280 these guys, these I'm going to use some 1193 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,119 terminology, some redneck type guys in 1194 00:39:47,119 --> 00:39:48,480 their boots out there playing. It 1195 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:49,760 cracked me up every time I see it. They 1196 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,359 just don't look like Obviously, you guys 1197 00:39:51,359 --> 00:39:52,480 know I'm from California and you got 1198 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,000 these Yepies out there playing Frisbee 1199 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:55,200 golf. That's what I'm seeing. these guys 1200 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,040 out there with their mullets and their 1201 00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,480 boots and out. It just cracks me up 1202 00:39:58,480 --> 00:39:59,680 every time. It doesn't look like these 1203 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:00,720 people playing frisbee golf, but it's 1204 00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:02,240 been a big hit over there. G 1205 00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:04,560 >> I just wanted to pipe in that young s 1206 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,000 there. He walked the door said he's here 1207 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,000 to put on pickle ball court. So 1208 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:08,880 >> it isn't the only 1209 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,320 >> It isn't. Okay. I don't know about 1210 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,960 pickle. I I have a pickle ball court in 1211 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,560 my house, but I don't play. The kids 1212 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:15,040 play. 1213 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:16,800 >> My 19-year-old goes and plays pickle 1214 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,079 ball every Friday morning. 1215 00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:22,400 >> No, I'm into I'm into the the sports. I 1216 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:23,280 definitely 1217 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:24,960 >> want to do all that. That's what I first 1218 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,320 started thinking park. That's what it 1219 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,000 was going to be. But then we got into 1220 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,280 and all that. So, 1221 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,680 >> well, they want to talk about extreme 1222 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,599 sports. Let's put arena over there and 1223 00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:35,200 some bucking shoots and I'll help you 1224 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:36,880 guys bully. 1225 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,760 >> I'm into that. I really am. I really 1226 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:40,400 >> mean, 1227 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:41,680 >> what are you doing telling everybody 1228 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,599 those are my kids? I'm gonna have 1229 00:40:43,599 --> 00:40:48,310 problems. 1230 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:49,839 » I think we'll have problems because 1231 00:40:49,839 --> 00:40:51,280 we're your kids. 1232 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,079 >> Exactly. That's probably true, too. No, 1233 00:40:54,079 --> 00:40:55,680 we definitely need 1234 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,440 >> the problem is is a lot of retired 1235 00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,200 people here and and the small amount of 1236 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:00,880 kids we have do get neglected, but 1237 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,000 that's not staying that way. I mean, 1238 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,280 like I said, this guy started putting a 1239 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,160 lot 250 employees over here. Old people 1240 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,480 like me that are retired don't work over 1241 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,440 here at the Oktooka Lodge. So, these are 1242 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,440 going to be younger people or families 1243 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,280 and kids and parks and all this is going 1244 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,079 to come into play. So, a lot of kids. 1245 00:41:18,079 --> 00:41:19,839 >> Yeah, we we do get a few kids over here, 1246 00:41:19,839 --> 00:41:22,000 but um there's a lot of stuff that I 1247 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,440 feel that we've neglected and did just 1248 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:23,839 now. 1249 00:41:23,839 --> 00:41:25,839 >> Are you also going to switch out like 1250 00:41:25,839 --> 00:41:27,760 the playground stuff? It's kind of 1251 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,760 nearly impossible to have kids. 1252 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:30,800 >> We are probably going to do that a 1253 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,319 little more sooner than later. I have a 1254 00:41:32,319 --> 00:41:33,440 little bit of money right now in the 1255 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,040 park impact funds and I do want to 1256 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:36,880 replace all that. That's all homemade 1257 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:38,160 stuff and just stuff we have laying 1258 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,400 around. And uh I think for the money I 1259 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,720 have I have a personal park at my house 1260 00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:45,280 and we get commercial grade stuff. So I 1261 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:46,560 know and I'm kind of like that's like 1262 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,079 perfect. My grand 1263 00:41:48,079 --> 00:41:49,359 >> I've been looking through the catalog 1264 00:41:49,359 --> 00:41:52,000 that I've got. 1265 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:52,960 >> Yeah. 1266 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,800 No, I agree 100%. It's been on my 1267 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,319 list. I was kind of waiting till we did 1268 00:41:56,319 --> 00:41:58,960 this, but it can't wait until all this 1269 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,240 happened. But I want to do something 1270 00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:01,920 that we need something better for. 1271 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:03,599 Absolutely. Yep. 1272 00:42:03,599 --> 00:42:05,920 >> Yep. Put it on my list. I think the 1273 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,640 first thing we're get. 1274 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,240 >> Yep. 1275 00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:11,359 >> New tables. 1276 00:42:11,359 --> 00:42:13,520 >> That's approved right now. You can get I 1277 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,160 get them steel ones I have in my house. 1278 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:17,280 >> But what's out there? We've been 1279 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:18,560 repairing for a long time. 1280 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,319 >> We can That's approved. We We have that 1281 00:42:20,319 --> 00:42:20,800 in the 1282 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,000 >> We're going to donate those to the 1283 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:32,790 community garden. 1284 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,960 » So, I probably missed the start of this. 1285 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,200 Um, I'm so sorry. I just got back from 1286 00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:38,400 work. 1287 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,319 >> Are we just like brainstorming right now 1288 00:42:40,319 --> 00:42:43,040 what we would like to see and not really 1289 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,760 talking about scalability at this point? 1290 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,200 >> Kind of sort of. So, what this is 1291 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,280 leading into is we are creating an 1292 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:53,040 impact fee study and they're about I 1293 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,160 don't know $50,000 to perform. We got a 1294 00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,480 grant and part honestly I'm be honest 1295 00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,160 with you part of the grant is we have to 1296 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,079 do a public hearing for the grant. So 1297 00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:03,440 that's part of this is we're doing that. 1298 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,240 But no, we for me anything that 1299 00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:08,560 anybody's saying we pretty much kind of 1300 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:09,920 thought of because I talked to everybody 1301 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:11,680 and I know and we're in motion. So I've 1302 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,520 been writing everything down. But pretty 1303 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,200 much everything that people have slowly 1304 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,119 been bringing up I've had. We're making 1305 00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:19,520 plans. It's a 10-year plan. So we have 1306 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,359 to plan out 10 years. So if you're 1307 00:43:21,359 --> 00:43:23,839 thinking like massive projects when 1308 00:43:23,839 --> 00:43:26,160 there's, you know, 10,000 residents here 1309 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:27,440 someday, we're not going that far. We're 1310 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,760 trying to do like a 10 year. But we also 1311 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,640 want to make it happen soon because if 1312 00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,480 we do all this planning and just just 1313 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,359 say in three years somebody else becomes 1314 00:43:37,359 --> 00:43:39,119 mayor and couple of these guys don't get 1315 00:43:39,119 --> 00:43:40,880 reelected, they could come and take this 1316 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,400 and reerase everything we've done and 1317 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,000 start over. That's a problem with 1318 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,920 government. Um so we're into getting it 1319 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:47,599 done as quickly as possible. The smaller 1320 00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:49,839 stuff, but this will be the impact fees 1321 00:43:49,839 --> 00:43:52,079 set for new residents that come to build 1322 00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:54,160 like these ro and these development how 1323 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:55,760 much they'll be paying to go towards all 1324 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,440 this and then we'll use that money for 1325 00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,040 the stuff we say. So that's kind of 1326 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:00,319 where we're at. Some of this stuff like 1327 00:44:00,319 --> 00:44:01,680 the walking trail that's depending on 1328 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,000 BLM, even wilderness, we're looking at 1329 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,400 some area in wilderness. So, um, we're 1330 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,640 kind of limited to that. I'm not an 1331 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,480 imminent domain guy. I just don't 1332 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,560 believe in it. Um, I won't say we 1333 00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,000 wouldn't ever do that if we absolutely 1334 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,319 have to for the benefit of the town, but 1335 00:44:16,319 --> 00:44:18,000 that would be something that would be 1336 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,160 very critical. I'm not into just 1337 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,079 imminent domain, so no offense to you, 1338 00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:23,440 but so we can ride a horse to someone's 1339 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:23,839 property. 1340 00:44:23,839 --> 00:44:25,280 >> Just so you know, we have I'm not doing 1341 00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:26,880 it. We have never done that. 1342 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,280 >> I don't like that. So if I have to if I 1343 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:30,800 got a road that got has to go through 1344 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,280 for the benefit of the town. Okay. But 1345 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,240 >> right just around the corner. 1346 00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:37,680 We should get an easement through to the 1347 00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,760 other side of the 1348 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,839 >> There's a a fire hydrant in the 1349 00:44:41,839 --> 00:44:43,680 backyard, but I just freeze a cooler 1350 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:47,359 that's not actually in operation. 1351 00:44:47,359 --> 00:44:50,640 >> I didn't know there was a decoration 1352 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,720 fire hydrant. But anyway, um so a couple 1353 00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:54,880 ideas. Um I don't know if it's been 1354 00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:56,160 brought up yet, but it would be really 1355 00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,720 good if there was a biking walking 1356 00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:01,119 access to the very Mesa. Has that been 1357 00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:02,480 brought up yet? Yes, ma'am. Okay, 1358 00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,119 perfect. And then um I know there's a 1359 00:45:05,119 --> 00:45:06,880 lot of challenges with those shooting 1360 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:08,880 range, especially when it comes to noise 1361 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,359 in this area. What about an archery 1362 00:45:11,359 --> 00:45:13,920 range? Um which would come with no 1363 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,720 noise. Um it wouldn't necessarily be as 1364 00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:19,680 large of a range itself. Um and then 1365 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,839 could kind of like foster those same 1366 00:45:21,839 --> 00:45:24,400 skills especially our youth um that we 1367 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:25,520 would like for 1368 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:30,150 >> both. I actually 1369 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:31,440 go over good 1370 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,280 >> I actually would like to do both. We 1371 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,119 I've talked about a little bit. We 1372 00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:36,640 probably have neglected it in this but 1373 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,160 it is part of the parks and w so we 1374 00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:39,599 probably need to put that in here. But 1375 00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:42,720 I'm even we have 35,000 square acres. We 1376 00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:44,079 should be able to put a shooting range 1377 00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:47,599 in somewhere here that's not on people's 1378 00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:50,000 private property. You just have to be 1379 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,599 600 feet. Yeah, we should be able to put 1380 00:45:51,599 --> 00:45:53,359 something in because we have a big area. 1381 00:45:53,359 --> 00:45:55,280 So, uh, let me add that to the list. 1382 00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:56,880 Both and the archery 1383 00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:58,560 >> and maybe the archery range is more 1384 00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,880 appropriate for like this area. 1385 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:02,000 >> Yeah. Yeah. Something here. And then 1386 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:03,440 shooting range be somewhere else. Yeah. 1387 00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:04,240 >> Yeah. 1388 00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:06,319 >> Do something like both that with that 1389 00:46:06,319 --> 00:46:09,680 archery deal. Do 3D archery deal. All 1390 00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,440 these bow hunters around here. We got 1391 00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,200 plenty of blush giving them their shot 1392 00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:14,560 they want to 1393 00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:18,400 >> make a lot of money on. We used to make 1394 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,079 >> I've never done hunting but yeah that's 1395 00:46:20,079 --> 00:46:21,440 something we do like you said we can do 1396 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,520 that here in tied into the park but I do 1397 00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,920 want to look into Steuart's always on 1398 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:26,960 me. He's not here tonight but he's 1399 00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:28,240 always on me about a shooting. We've 1400 00:46:28,240 --> 00:46:30,720 been talking about it right now. Most 1401 00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:32,240 people will wind up breaking the wind up 1402 00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:33,520 on someone's private property and they 1403 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:34,720 don't even know they're on private 1404 00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:36,560 property. I know some people go out to 1405 00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,880 the Stender Pit but it nobody is 1406 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:40,640 purposely breaking the law. That's just 1407 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:41,839 there's nowhere to go shoes. So, 1408 00:46:41,839 --> 00:46:42,880 everybody kind of just picks and 1409 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,240 chooses. So, yeah. 1410 00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:45,680 >> Well, we used to go to the cinder pit 1411 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,160 all the time, but that got closed off. 1412 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:52,400 All my kids I raised all my kids 1413 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,920 up and shoot 1414 00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:56,400 >> it all. 1415 00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,880 >> Oh, that one don't own that anymore. 1416 00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,599 >> No, I know that 1417 00:47:01,599 --> 00:47:03,760 >> over the thunder hill told me he goes 1418 00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,200 over there and shoot. I've never been 1419 00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:05,760 over there. 1420 00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:09,040 >> But that we used to go up there. 1421 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:10,079 >> Interesting. Yeah, 1422 00:47:10,079 --> 00:47:13,119 >> big circle. 1423 00:47:13,119 --> 00:47:15,119 >> Yeah, 1424 00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:18,960 >> definitely. I like that idea. 1425 00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,359 >> Good suggestions. 1426 00:47:21,359 --> 00:47:23,280 >> Anybody else? Any other thoughts or 1427 00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,440 suggestions? They're all great. They're 1428 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,319 great input and some of these we kind of 1429 00:47:28,319 --> 00:47:29,760 were already thinking. Some of them are 1430 00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,599 new ideas. We will uh take a look at all 1431 00:47:33,599 --> 00:47:36,079 of them. I guess what I'm thinking too, 1432 00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:39,280 does this mean that we have to have the 1433 00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,440 master plan and it might take two to 1434 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,079 three years before we get that or are 1435 00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:46,880 there little things that we can do now? 1436 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:47,280 >> Well, 1437 00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:48,319 >> to start, 1438 00:47:48,319 --> 00:47:50,560 >> it's just like anything else, money. So, 1439 00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,280 as we get So, we make this impact fee 1440 00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,359 and we get five new residents and 1441 00:47:55,359 --> 00:47:57,200 they're paying, let's just say, $5,000 1442 00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,200 each. Now, I got $25,000 to spend on 1443 00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:03,040 apartments. um if you get 200 new homes 1444 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,359 and I got what I can do the math here 1445 00:48:05,359 --> 00:48:07,760 $100,000 or something to spend on park. 1446 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:09,680 So it really just depends on that. I 1447 00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,520 mean we don't get I mean there's grants 1448 00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,280 we'll go after and stuff like that but 1449 00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:14,720 I'm just giving you 1450 00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:16,480 >> we could get grants we could maybe not. 1451 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:17,839 I don't know but there the main thing 1452 00:48:17,839 --> 00:48:19,680 will be impact. 1453 00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:21,920 >> Um I was just going to say as well like 1454 00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,640 a lot of it depends on what happens with 1455 00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,520 BLM. If we apply to BLM they want to put 1456 00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,359 together a plan of what we want to do. 1457 00:48:29,359 --> 00:48:30,720 we have to do all that first, then we 1458 00:48:30,720 --> 00:48:32,640 have to apply. Don't we have to wait for 1459 00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,720 back? Maybe they have changes. So, it 1460 00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:36,960 just it really just depends that it's a 1461 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,040 timeline, but there's a lot of work that 1462 00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:40,480 has to go into it before. 1463 00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,400 >> Well, and I understand, but that's we're 1464 00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,480 looking at the big projects and some of 1465 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,440 the littleer projects like a basketball 1466 00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,800 hoop or those that are smaller or even 1467 00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:52,880 an archery range. 1468 00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,440 >> Again, we like the land. We don't have 1469 00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,200 enough land to do all of that stuff 1470 00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,599 right now. So, we have to get the land 1471 00:48:59,599 --> 00:49:01,200 and we have to have fun. So, like I'll 1472 00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:02,400 tell you right now, the immediate thing 1473 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:03,839 you're going to see is like you just 1474 00:49:03,839 --> 00:49:05,280 said, new picnic table. 1475 00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:06,559 >> It's about 1476 00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:08,720 >> probably close to $10,000. About a 1477 00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:10,240 thousand bucks each one. I just bought 1478 00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:12,480 about 10 of them. So, about 10,000. Um 1479 00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:13,760 >> I know where we can get some. 1480 00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,280 >> Yeah, I'm glad those down. And then the 1481 00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:18,400 new playground. You're going to see a 1482 00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,160 new playground soon. Um it's just 1483 00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,960 because that one is just so bad. And if 1484 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:24,000 we have the money for that, 1485 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:25,599 >> if we get some headstones out here, 1486 00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:29,119 maybe we can use the ary. 1487 00:49:29,119 --> 00:49:31,040 >> I already tried to use the cemetery and 1488 00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,280 impact be attorney said, "Mike, 1489 00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:34,400 >> I'm just kidding." 1490 00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,160 >> Absolutely not. I told him, "Can I use 1491 00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:37,839 impact bees on the cemetery? It's part 1492 00:49:37,839 --> 00:49:39,599 of the park, right? It's part the park 1493 00:49:39,599 --> 00:49:41,359 goes here. We got the town garden in the 1494 00:49:41,359 --> 00:49:43,599 cemetery." No, no, can't use it. 1495 00:49:43,599 --> 00:49:46,559 >> Have to have plans for it. You have to 1496 00:49:46,559 --> 00:49:49,280 be able to get caring on it. Even if you 1497 00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,359 do a crystal ball court, you know, we 1498 00:49:51,359 --> 00:49:53,200 have to have a plan. What's the plan? 1499 00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:54,480 Where's the crystal ball court going to 1500 00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:55,760 go? Like how's it going to flow with 1501 00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,319 this? Where's the park? And so we have 1502 00:49:58,319 --> 00:50:02,079 to have a plan and this this is just 1503 00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:04,480 1250 get the items what people want so 1504 00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,319 that we can start building that plan and 1505 00:50:06,319 --> 00:50:08,720 then BLM and say, "Hey, have a trail 1506 00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:10,880 head here and put a little park in 1507 00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,119 here." And then we can go from there in 1508 00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:14,240 building that plan. 1509 00:50:14,240 --> 00:50:17,760 >> Well, let's say the cemetery. It's been 1510 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,599 sitting dormant for quite a while and 1511 00:50:21,599 --> 00:50:25,119 then a plan came in to cut and within 1512 00:50:25,119 --> 00:50:28,800 three months it was done. Not that it's 1513 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:32,000 not what it should be. You know, not 1514 00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,440 everything is in place yet, but at least 1515 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,480 it's starting that people can be buried 1516 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,800 there. That's what I'm saying. Are there 1517 00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:42,240 little things like that? 1518 00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:44,319 >> No, because we don't have no land. 1519 00:50:44,319 --> 00:50:44,640 >> So, 1520 00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:45,520 >> we don't have any land. 1521 00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,200 >> We don't have no land. The town this 1522 00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:48,480 what you see right here is what the town 1523 00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:49,920 holds pretty much. 1524 00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:51,920 >> I we that's it. I mean we have easements 1525 00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:53,599 some easements but you can't easements 1526 00:50:53,599 --> 00:50:55,040 you can't just that's not art we can't 1527 00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:56,400 just go build park right 1528 00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:57,839 >> some easements may allow for that but 1529 00:50:57,839 --> 00:50:59,280 most do not most of them are specific a 1530 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,680 water ement a power ement so what's 1531 00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:02,880 going to happen right now is we're going 1532 00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:04,640 to take this information 1533 00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,880 >> we work me chief and Michelle are 1534 00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:08,480 working with our engineers they will put 1535 00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,040 together a plan and they're going to say 1536 00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,280 okay this is how much all this is going 1537 00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,079 to cost okay let's just say $10 million 1538 00:51:16,079 --> 00:51:17,200 for everything we want to do then 1539 00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:18,559 they're going to say okay based on your 1540 00:51:18,559 --> 00:51:20,640 growth projected growth this is how many 1541 00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,319 houses you come in have coming in over 1542 00:51:22,319 --> 00:51:24,319 the next 10 years. So each one of these 1543 00:51:24,319 --> 00:51:26,240 houses is going to need to pay X amount 1544 00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:28,720 in impact fees. So any new house that 1545 00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:30,640 comes in will pay whether it's 5,000 or 1546 00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,160 10,000, whatever the number they come up 1547 00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:33,680 at the law, you have to have them do the 1548 00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,599 study and set the amount. We voted into 1549 00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:37,440 the council, but they come up with an 1550 00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,280 amount and then they'll pay the impact. 1551 00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:40,720 And like I said, as the money comes, the 1552 00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:42,240 only other option is to take out a loan, 1553 00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:44,559 which I'm not going to do. This town's 1554 00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:46,720 taking out too many loans. We pay crazy 1555 00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:49,119 amounts of interest. And the easiest 1556 00:51:49,119 --> 00:51:50,400 thing for me may I like to when people 1557 00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,240 say, "Oh, this mayor did the gateway and 1558 00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:54,160 this mayors didn't do nothing. They took 1559 00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,559 out loans and now we and me and my staff 1560 00:51:56,559 --> 00:51:57,680 are trying to figure out how to pay for 1561 00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,440 it." The trick is to do things without 1562 00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,119 loans. It's very easy for me to take out 1563 00:52:01,119 --> 00:52:02,480 a $10 million loan right now. Throw all 1564 00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:03,599 the parks in you guys. Mike's the 1565 00:52:03,599 --> 00:52:04,640 greatest thing in the world. Woohoo! 1566 00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,000 Look what he did. And then the next 1567 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:07,520 mayor will be dealing with trying to pay 1568 00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:08,880 it off and the town will struggle like 1569 00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,680 we are now. So I don't want to do loans. 1570 00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:13,920 as we get the money and remember when 1571 00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:17,359 like a culta they're paying 1572 00:52:17,359 --> 00:52:20,240 $3.5 million in impact fees. So when you 1573 00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:21,920 get these developers coming in and these 1574 00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,160 commercial these impact fees come in 1575 00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,200 really quick commercial especially. So 1576 00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,200 you're going to see when it sounds like 1577 00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,000 it's a long time away but but again 1578 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:33,839 nobody wants the developments nobody 1579 00:52:33,839 --> 00:52:36,319 wants to grow. I get that. I don't want 1580 00:52:36,319 --> 00:52:38,079 it either but some of it's approved and 1581 00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:39,760 it's coming. So look at the silver 1582 00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,680 lining. You don't have without growth. 1583 00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:43,200 You can't have nothing. I mean, nothing. 1584 00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,200 We can get along. We can as we've been 1585 00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,040 doing, but I can't chief can't come to 1586 00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,040 me and say, "Hey, I need a new fire 1587 00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:50,720 truck." And there's 600,000. All right, 1588 00:52:50,720 --> 00:52:52,960 chief. I I we don't have money. Now, the 1589 00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,200 growth they will they'll put the impact. 1590 00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,280 We'll have that money. So, one of the re 1591 00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:58,559 another one of the reasons why we're 1592 00:52:58,559 --> 00:53:00,800 doing this is because part of the grant 1593 00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:02,960 talking about we also got money to 1594 00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,040 actually do renderings of a park and a 1595 00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:08,240 trail. And so, with the grant, we can 1596 00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:10,400 now put together renderings of a park 1597 00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,720 and on a trail most likely in the point 1598 00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:14,480 area, but we have to decide where we 1599 00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:15,599 want that park 1600 00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:17,040 >> and we need to know what kind of things 1601 00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:20,640 and when we want. So, that's what about 1602 00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,880 building that plan. 1603 00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:24,240 So once we get the renderings done, then 1604 00:53:24,240 --> 00:53:26,640 we'll go to BLM and say, "Hey, we want 1605 00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:28,559 there's our plan. We need this property. 1606 00:53:28,559 --> 00:53:30,480 Will you donate this property? Could we 1607 00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,960 put a trail here?" Um, there may be some 1608 00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,040 property that we need to purchase. I'm 1609 00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,280 not sure. And then that's step one. And 1610 00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,200 then step two is getting the money and 1611 00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,599 actually start building. So I know that 1612 00:53:41,599 --> 00:53:45,119 this area is not the best far as but I 1613 00:53:45,119 --> 00:53:49,280 thought BLM gave us Apple Valley a big 1614 00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,559 chunk of land out pass. 1615 00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:54,160 >> No sorry 1616 00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:54,960 >> about 1617 00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,119 >> we have BLM land which chief does not 1618 00:53:57,119 --> 00:53:58,800 like because he had to go be responsible 1619 00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:00,640 fighting the fires but we have BLM land 1620 00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:02,400 in the town of Apple Valley. We don't 1621 00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,599 own BLM does and it depends on what you 1622 00:54:05,599 --> 00:54:07,440 want to do. If you if I call BLM and say 1623 00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,280 I want your property over there because 1624 00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:10,240 we're going to sell it to some 1625 00:54:10,240 --> 00:54:12,000 developers, you're not getting it. If 1626 00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:13,520 you want to say I need to bring pipeline 1627 00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:15,119 across your property, there's a chance 1628 00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:16,640 different things have better chances 1629 00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:18,480 with BLM. So 1630 00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,000 >> that's kind of what it's 1631 00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,319 >> they gave it to us chunk out there. 1632 00:54:22,319 --> 00:54:25,040 >> My question may be for So like Cedar 1633 00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:26,640 Point, we're talking about a park Cedar 1634 00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:28,400 Point. Have you talked to the residents 1635 00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,400 specifically there and kids? 1636 00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,000 >> Like I live there and I see almost no 1637 00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,000 kids. I put my own playground in for my 1638 00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:35,760 grandkids and it's like there's a little 1639 00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:37,440 one with the tiny homes and I know other 1640 00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:38,640 people have them in their backyard and 1641 00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:38,960 it's like 1642 00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:40,720 >> yeah we're not gonna put a huge one. 1643 00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:42,559 >> It's not going to be a big park and it 1644 00:54:42,559 --> 00:54:45,760 will be more like a trail access trail 1645 00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:46,720 head 1646 00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:50,400 >> um with a small like 1647 00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:51,520 >> something like that. 1648 00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:52,960 >> I've just had a few people complain to 1649 00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,040 me saying hey 1650 00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:56,559 >> we don't have a park over there that's 1651 00:54:56,559 --> 00:54:58,559 not there you know that kind of deal. I 1652 00:54:58,559 --> 00:54:59,760 will tell you the little park at the 1653 00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,000 dining home sees a lot of the kids 1654 00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,000 saying you don't see that come over to 1655 00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:05,280 borrow it. 1656 00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:06,800 >> The new owner is in really gracious 1657 00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,520 spot. I just don't notice trying not to 1658 00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:10,240 pay attention. 1659 00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:10,800 >> Yeah. 1660 00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,440 >> And they're over there. So they are 1661 00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,160 using it there as a side. So, in our 1662 00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:17,680 perfect world, 1663 00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:19,040 >> in our perfect world, what we're working 1664 00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:20,640 on now is we just kind of started 1665 00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:22,319 working on we would like to get some BLM 1666 00:55:22,319 --> 00:55:23,920 land donated right there where the fire 1667 00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,800 station is on Canyon and put in a small 1668 00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:28,960 parks, maybe a small gazebo, bathrooms, 1669 00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:30,400 a picnic table, a little bit of 1670 00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:31,680 playground, just something small for 1671 00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:33,920 some kids. And then from there, have 1672 00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:35,520 some parking with some trail heads that 1673 00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:37,680 will lead out this way up into the other 1674 00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:40,160 BLM land and around and stuff like that. 1675 00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,480 That's what we're thinking with the with 1676 00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,680 the Cedar Point Park that 1677 00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:47,599 stuff there. You know, a lot of offro 1678 00:55:47,599 --> 00:55:50,240 side by side. A lot of people fly down 1679 00:55:50,240 --> 00:55:53,119 that flying curves and all. So, I know 1680 00:55:53,119 --> 00:55:54,720 how you corporate hiking. I've actually 1681 00:55:54,720 --> 00:55:56,240 eyeballed it looking at maybe some 1682 00:55:56,240 --> 00:55:57,760 single track stuff for mountain biking 1683 00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:01,760 up in there and it's it's doable, but 1684 00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:05,119 you really watch multi access type of 1685 00:56:05,119 --> 00:56:05,920 thing 1686 00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,880 >> once you get on the road. No. 1687 00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:10,319 >> Yeah. 1688 00:56:10,319 --> 00:56:12,400 >> Okay. I think we've got what we need. 1689 00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,400 you guys. 1690 00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,079 Good. Good. 1691 00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:17,920 >> Okay. We don't have no action to take on 1692 00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:19,200 this. We're going to close it out. 1693 00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:20,240 Right. 1694 00:56:20,240 --> 00:56:21,920 >> Well, I'm gonna I'm going to close out 1695 00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:23,359 the discussion and action for item 1696 00:56:23,359 --> 00:56:25,040 number five, parks and recreation survey 1697 00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:26,720 results. If that's the only reason you 1698 00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:28,079 came, you're welcome to leave. We're 1699 00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:30,079 going to roll into our regular boring 1700 00:56:30,079 --> 00:56:31,359 meetings. If you guys want to hear that, 1701 00:56:31,359 --> 00:56:33,200 that's fine. We're going to roll into 1702 00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,440 item number six. 1703 00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:36,799 Discussion and action for ordinance 1704 00:56:36,799 --> 00:56:38,799 O-2026-15. 1705 00:56:38,799 --> 00:56:40,559 Zone change from open phase transition 1706 00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:44,079 OST to agricultural 20 acres zone act 20 1707 00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:46,720 for parcel AV-1361-B 1708 00:56:46,720 --> 00:56:48,799 A-1361-C 1709 00:56:48,799 --> 00:56:50,160 planning commission recommend approval 1710 00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,319 on June 10, 2026. Let me tell you about 1711 00:56:52,319 --> 00:56:54,480 this. This is a gentleman named Rick 1712 00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:59,040 Trimmer and he is owns 40 acres and kind 1713 00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:00,960 of in the process of buying 20 more 1714 00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:04,000 right there. And what he is trying to do 1715 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,160 is very something similar to what I've 1716 00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,160 done is his ultimate goal. He wants to 1717 00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:11,680 divide this 60 acres into three 20 acre 1718 00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,160 a lots. He wants to build one home on 1719 00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,559 each one. He's going to live in one and 1720 00:57:16,559 --> 00:57:18,480 he wants to lease the other two as a 1721 00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,720 short-term rental for now and eventually 1722 00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,440 that become family property and have his 1723 00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,200 family live there. He also owns the 1724 00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:26,640 house up on the hill. You probably can 1725 00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:28,960 all see from Cedar Point. Um he rents 1726 00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:30,559 that out as a short-term rental. He had 1727 00:57:30,559 --> 00:57:32,960 a living in there. Um but it didn't pan 1728 00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:34,400 out that way. So that's what he's 1729 00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,480 looking to do. He's not a developer. 1730 00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,319 He's not trying to break this up and 1731 00:57:38,319 --> 00:57:39,680 sell it. Um, 1732 00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:43,440 >> this is that the area up there behind um 1733 00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:46,160 >> Yes, he is east of Frank in the cop's 1734 00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:47,839 place. Actually, you go through where 1735 00:57:47,839 --> 00:57:49,760 the mill over east of the million gallon 1736 00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:51,119 tank even out there. 1737 00:57:51,119 --> 00:57:53,440 >> So, he's really away from everybody. Uh, 1738 00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:54,640 he just wants to take he's going to be 1739 00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:56,799 on a private well, not on our water. He 1740 00:57:56,799 --> 00:57:59,119 just wants to break his 60 acres up to 1741 00:57:59,119 --> 00:58:01,200 into three 20 acre parcels and then he's 1742 00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:02,480 going to come in for conditional use 1743 00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:05,440 permit for the extra short-term rental. 1744 00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:06,799 That'll be a whole separate issue, but 1745 00:58:06,799 --> 00:58:08,640 this is all he's asking right now. 1746 00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:10,480 >> He's just se separating. 1747 00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,119 >> Yep. Yep. Well, no, he wants the zone 1748 00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:15,440 change. Yeah, he the 1749 00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:17,200 >> planning commission approved his lot 1750 00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,319 split and they recommended approval for 1751 00:58:20,319 --> 00:58:21,920 the zone change. They they do the lot 1752 00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:23,599 splits. We just have to approve the zone 1753 00:58:23,599 --> 00:58:25,119 change. 1754 00:58:25,119 --> 00:58:26,960 I don't see any problem with it all. 1755 00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:28,640 Super good people 1756 00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:30,880 >> just trying to, you know, breaken it up. 1757 00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:32,720 Like I said, it's actually zoned RE5, 1758 00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:36,079 too. So we could have what is that 12 1759 00:58:36,079 --> 00:58:38,160 160 divided by five whatever that comes 1760 00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:39,599 to 10 12 1761 00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:42,160 >> houses whatever that right so this will 1762 00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,960 just be 30 20 lot so that that's good 1763 00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:46,079 for the grower 1764 00:58:46,079 --> 00:58:48,480 >> I make a motion we approve ordinance 1765 00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:52,069 0-2026-15 1766 00:58:52,079 --> 00:58:54,799 zone change from focal space transition 1767 00:58:54,799 --> 00:58:59,520 to agricultural 20 acre zone AG20 for 1768 00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:03,040 parcel AB-1361- 1769 00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:06,079 B A-1361- 1770 00:59:06,079 --> 00:59:08,799 C 1771 00:59:08,799 --> 00:59:10,880 on 1772 00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:12,000 >> Rich you second. 1773 00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:12,319 >> Yeah. 1774 00:59:12,319 --> 00:59:14,559 >> Okay. Rich second. Roll call vote. 1775 00:59:14,559 --> 00:59:16,240 >> Scott Taylor I. 1776 00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:19,520 >> Mike I still have I 1777 00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:21,680 >> motion carried. 1778 00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:22,880 >> Huh? 1779 00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,280 >> Rich had a second. Yep. Okay. We're 1780 00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:26,640 going to item number seven. Open 1781 00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:28,400 discussion and action for ordinance 1782 00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,559 O-2026-16 1783 00:59:30,559 --> 00:59:32,240 zone change from open space transition 1784 00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:35,520 to agricultural 5 acres zone a 5 for 1785 00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:38,640 parcel AV-1378-G. 1786 00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:40,720 This gentleman's name is Jason Curtis. 1787 00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,680 He lives right near this property is 1788 00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:45,440 right near Chief's house over there 1789 00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:48,720 south of the 59. He has 20 acres. He 1790 00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:50,400 wants to divide it up into five acre 1791 00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:52,880 parcels. Um he's not sure he doesn't 1792 00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:57,040 plan on splitting it right now. He might eventually but he want to have 1793 00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:58,319 that option. So right now he's just 1794 00:59:58,319 --> 01:00:00,079 asking us for the zone change if he 1795 01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:02,319 comes back our planning commission for a 1796 01:00:02,319 --> 01:00:05,119 lot of them in the future. What I did is 1797 01:00:05,119 --> 01:00:06,880 I spoke to chief because chief lives 1798 01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:08,720 right there and both properties and 1799 01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:10,079 chief's kind of like anybody else would 1800 01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:11,680 be. Well no I would rather not anybody 1801 01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:14,079 be there but it's his property and it 1802 01:00:14,079 --> 01:00:16,480 fits with everything and five acre lots 1803 01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:18,160 are fine. That's what everybody's on for 1804 01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:20,240 him there. So he was okay with it. 1805 01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:22,400 >> So he just wants to go from OST to 5 1806 01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,280 acre five. 1807 01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:28,000 So the a potential to have four homes 1808 01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:31,440 right there, right? Or four lots. 1809 01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:36,309 >> Motion we approve ordinance 0-2026-16 1810 01:00:36,319 --> 01:00:39,280 zone change space transition zone to 1811 01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:43,440 agricultural 5acre zones AG5 for parcel 1812 01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,470 AD-1370-D 1813 01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:48,480 planning commission recommend approval 1814 01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:51,280 on June 10th. 1815 01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,280 Second 1816 01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:54,319 roll call vote 1817 01:00:54,319 --> 01:00:57,680 >> Taylor I s I 1818 01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:00,319 >> Richard Palmer I motion carries on item 1819 01:01:00,319 --> 01:01:03,680 number eight ordinance O-2026-14 1820 01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:06,079 repeal and replace title 14.13 1821 01:01:06,079 --> 01:01:08,160 cemeteries I'm not going to redraw this 1822 01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:09,680 I hope you guys have this is too much 1823 01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:11,520 basically this exactly what we're doing 1824 01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:13,440 we just took all the ordinances they 1825 01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:15,680 wrote and got rid of them because not 1826 01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:17,200 saying they did a bad job they did a 1827 01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:20,559 great job but there are lots and lots of 1828 01:01:20,559 --> 01:01:22,799 rules s and it's made for somebody with 1829 01:01:22,799 --> 01:01:25,200 a big town and has a huge cemetery. So 1830 01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:27,680 Bradley worked with the guy that does 1831 01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:30,319 the hurricane uh cemetery and gave us 1832 01:01:30,319 --> 01:01:32,559 some advice and Bradley came up with 1833 01:01:32,559 --> 01:01:35,040 ordinances and that's what this is. So 1834 01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:36,799 this is just simplifying if you read 1835 01:01:36,799 --> 01:01:37,760 through them it's really just 1836 01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,160 simplifying things so we don't just we 1837 01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:43,200 have to get started and that's all. 1838 01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:45,200 >> Okay. 1839 01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:45,839 >> Oh yeah. 1840 01:01:45,839 --> 01:01:47,839 >> Yeah. I make a motion we approve 1841 01:01:47,839 --> 01:01:51,349 ordinance 0-2026-14 1842 01:01:51,359 --> 01:01:55,920 repeal and replace title 14.13 1843 01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:59,270 for the cemeteries. 1844 01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:01,839 » Roll call vote. 1845 01:02:01,839 --> 01:02:05,190 >> Mike. 1846 01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:08,880 Motion carries. Now on to the heart. 1847 01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:12,160 This is item number nine resolution R-26 1848 01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,319 R-2026-20 1849 01:02:14,319 --> 01:02:16,319 water rate increase. amend title 1850 01:02:16,319 --> 01:02:19,200 0.1.20.010 1851 01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:21,200 residential appendix A schedule water 1852 01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:24,319 rates fees and charging. Let me explain 1853 01:02:24,319 --> 01:02:27,040 this a little bit. So what happened if 1854 01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:30,240 you guys remember we did a water rate 1855 01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:31,920 increase across the board everybody and 1856 01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:35,520 we did tiers. Well tiers were pretty 1857 01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:37,280 expensive and I had a few residents come 1858 01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:39,359 to me and say listen we're going to have 1859 01:02:39,359 --> 01:02:41,200 to let our grass die and our trees die 1860 01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:42,880 and we just can't afford to water. And I 1861 01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,040 said, "No, I feel for you on that and I 1862 01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:46,240 feel really bad and I don't want to see 1863 01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:47,760 Apple Valley turn brown. So, let me see 1864 01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:48,720 what I can do." And I crunched the 1865 01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:49,760 numbers and I brought you guys and said, 1866 01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:51,040 "Hey, I think we can reduce these 1867 01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:54,319 rates." And I was correct. We we did. 1868 01:02:54,319 --> 01:02:55,040 >> We corrected them. 1869 01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:56,960 Well, this year, this 1870 01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:58,160 is something what people have to 1871 01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:00,400 understand. Uh when you ask people to 1872 01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:02,400 conserve water, you lose less water. The 1873 01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:04,880 water division is based upon that 1874 01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:07,839 income. So, if we cut our water usage in 1875 01:03:07,839 --> 01:03:09,680 half, the budget in the water department 1876 01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:11,440 goes in half. So, we had a little 1877 01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:13,040 shortfall. So, this will kind of make 1878 01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:15,760 that up. Um, it's going to affect about 1879 01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:18,400 30 to 35 residents in Apple Valley. It's 1880 01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:21,280 just the top tier users. The average 1881 01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:24,400 house uses 35,000 gallons or less. We 1882 01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:25,920 didn't even kick this up until a little 1883 01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:27,359 bit above that. So, it shouldn't affect, 1884 01:03:27,359 --> 01:03:29,440 like I said, 30 to 35 people, just the 1885 01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:32,000 very high-end users. I don't like it 1886 01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,720 because we try to encourage Apple Valley 1887 01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:36,799 to be rural and farmish. And here we are 1888 01:03:36,799 --> 01:03:40,720 at water. Now, what the what really has 1889 01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:45,119 ate this on too is we had a resident 1890 01:03:45,119 --> 01:03:47,599 developer call the state auditor and 1891 01:03:47,599 --> 01:03:49,599 file a complaint 1892 01:03:49,599 --> 01:03:52,559 uh against the town and we had to go 1893 01:03:52,559 --> 01:03:55,119 through a full state audit and we did it 1894 01:03:55,119 --> 01:03:57,119 and we came out fine. Couple 1895 01:03:57,119 --> 01:04:00,319 recommendations, nothing big, but some 1896 01:04:00,319 --> 01:04:02,160 of that was how we structured our water 1897 01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,319 rings. Well, I get a call from some 1898 01:04:04,319 --> 01:04:06,400 state people and they're concerned 1899 01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:10,079 because we have cheap tiered water and 1900 01:04:10,079 --> 01:04:13,039 every other town around here is pushing 1901 01:04:13,039 --> 01:04:14,319 water conservation and they have 1902 01:04:14,319 --> 01:04:16,720 extremely high-end top tier water to 1903 01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:19,599 discourage lots of water use. So, the we 1904 01:04:19,599 --> 01:04:21,520 were not not being told to do anything, 1905 01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:23,119 but we're recommended that we get the 1906 01:04:23,119 --> 01:04:25,200 tears up where they should be. So, I'm 1907 01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:29,990 proposing that we don't necessarily. 1908 01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:31,680 It's just not working out. And 1909 01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:33,359 >> we're not raising what the state said. 1910 01:04:33,359 --> 01:04:35,039 We're just putting back, 1911 01:04:35,039 --> 01:04:36,240 >> you know, putting back what we 1912 01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:37,839 originally did. We tried. I tried to 1913 01:04:37,839 --> 01:04:39,839 appease the residents and I mean it 1914 01:04:39,839 --> 01:04:41,839 looked good on paper and it's just not 1915 01:04:41,839 --> 01:04:44,799 working out. So, um, this is puts us I 1916 01:04:44,799 --> 01:04:46,079 did tons of work. Let me read this 1917 01:04:46,079 --> 01:04:48,000 memorandum to you guys. Haven't read it 1918 01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,319 all over. Basically, the town I'm read 1919 01:04:50,319 --> 01:04:51,440 this because I want to get it on record, 1920 01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:53,920 but um as the town of Apple Valley 1921 01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:55,359 transitions operation of the public 1922 01:04:55,359 --> 01:04:56,960 water system from a big plains water 1923 01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:58,319 special service district to newly 1924 01:04:58,319 --> 01:04:59,440 established Apple Valley Water 1925 01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:00,799 Department, town officials have 1926 01:05:00,799 --> 01:05:02,079 undertaken a review of the systems 1927 01:05:02,079 --> 01:05:03,359 operational needs, maintenance 1928 01:05:03,359 --> 01:05:04,799 requirements, and financial 1929 01:05:04,799 --> 01:05:06,799 sustainability. During this transition 1930 01:05:06,799 --> 01:05:08,400 process, staff identified operational 1931 01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:09,839 challenges and costs associated with the 1932 01:05:09,839 --> 01:05:11,680 condition, I'm sorry, with the continued 1933 01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:13,599 delivery of reliable water service. 1934 01:05:13,599 --> 01:05:15,119 These include water system losses, 1935 01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:16,400 ongoing maintenance requirements, 1936 01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:18,079 infrastructure replacement needs, 1937 01:05:18,079 --> 01:05:19,760 regulatory compliance obligations, 1938 01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:22,720 emergency repair preparedness, debt, and 1939 01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:24,160 the establishment of the appropriate 1940 01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:26,240 operation of capital reserves. Based on 1941 01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:27,599 information provided by the staff and 1942 01:05:27,599 --> 01:05:29,200 system operator, the current restructure 1943 01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:31,039 may not generate sufficient revenue to 1944 01:05:31,039 --> 01:05:32,559 adequately support the long-term 1945 01:05:32,559 --> 01:05:34,079 operation, maintenance, repair, and 1946 01:05:34,079 --> 01:05:35,119 replacement of water system 1947 01:05:35,119 --> 01:05:36,559 infrastructure while maintaining 1948 01:05:36,559 --> 01:05:38,079 appropriate reserves for unexpected 1949 01:05:38,079 --> 01:05:39,440 expenditures and future capital 1950 01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:41,359 improvements. If you remember what this 1951 01:05:41,359 --> 01:05:43,119 kind of what I said back in October of 1952 01:05:43,119 --> 01:05:44,960 2025 as a town council, we voted to 1953 01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:46,160 prove an upper tier level water 1954 01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:48,000 reduction reduction. We did this in 1955 01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:49,359 hopes of being able to cut some costs, 1956 01:05:49,359 --> 01:05:50,960 reduce expensive in the budget, and have 1957 01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:52,640 enough water system revenue to cover the 1958 01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:54,400 early expenditures. On paper, it looked 1959 01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:55,920 like it might work. We thought it was 1960 01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:57,760 worth a try. However, after fiscal year 1961 01:05:57,760 --> 01:05:59,520 2026 coming to an end, we have seen that 1962 01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:01,119 the numbers didn't go as planned and we 1963 01:06:01,119 --> 01:06:02,799 will need additional revenue to cover 1964 01:06:02,799 --> 01:06:05,359 water system. I wanted to share some 1965 01:06:05,359 --> 01:06:07,359 quantitive quantitative analysis I used 1966 01:06:07,359 --> 01:06:09,119 to develop the proposed rate increase. 1967 01:06:09,119 --> 01:06:11,200 The annual water system revenue for 2025 1968 01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:13,599 fiscal year was $725,000. 1969 01:06:13,599 --> 01:06:15,920 For 2026 fiscal year, we are looking at 1970 01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:19,680 about 650,000. So, we lost 75,000. We've 1971 01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:20,960 been able to lower our annual operating 1972 01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:22,720 expenses down to about 700,000. That 1973 01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:24,319 leaves us short about 50k to cover our 1974 01:06:24,319 --> 01:06:26,160 annual operating expenses. Increasing 1975 01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:27,839 these upper tier levels of water usage 1976 01:06:27,839 --> 01:06:29,200 back to where they originally were last 1977 01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:30,799 year before we lowered the top tier 1978 01:06:30,799 --> 01:06:32,480 rates would affect approximately 40 1979 01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:34,720 customers over approximately 450 water 1980 01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:36,400 connections and generated an estimated 1981 01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:38,559 additional annual amount of $40,000. 1982 01:06:38,559 --> 01:06:40,079 Some other information that was utilized 1983 01:06:40,079 --> 01:06:41,839 in my quantitive analysis is the Apple 1984 01:06:41,839 --> 01:06:43,599 Valley water system has a debt of about 1985 01:06:43,599 --> 01:06:46,319 $4 million. Tiered rates are utilized to 1986 01:06:46,319 --> 01:06:48,319 promote water conservation. I also 1987 01:06:48,319 --> 01:06:49,680 compared the tiered rates to other 1988 01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:51,839 nearby cities, count St. George, Leeds, 1989 01:06:51,839 --> 01:06:54,400 Hurricane, Ill, Colorado City, and even 1990 01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:56,000 with the increase, our tiered rates will 1991 01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:59,440 be lower than our than other neighboring 1992 01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:01,839 city/counts. The rate increase also puts 1993 01:07:01,839 --> 01:07:03,359 us in line with the recommended rates 1994 01:07:03,359 --> 01:07:04,880 addressed in the culinary water master 1995 01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:07,039 plan performed by Sunrising Engineering 1996 01:07:07,039 --> 01:07:09,119 in July of 2023 as well as 1997 01:07:09,119 --> 01:07:10,720 recommendations by Utah State Division 1998 01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:12,480 of Drinking Water. The proposed water 1999 01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:13,920 rate adjustment is intended to better 2000 01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:15,520 align water system revenues with the 2001 01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:17,119 actual cost of providing service, 2002 01:07:17,119 --> 01:07:19,119 preserve the financial stability of the 2003 01:07:19,119 --> 01:07:20,880 utility, and ensure the town's ability 2004 01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:22,799 to maintain a safe and reliable water 2005 01:07:22,799 --> 01:07:24,799 supply for current and future customers. 2006 01:07:24,799 --> 01:07:26,319 The town council is asked to consider 2007 01:07:26,319 --> 01:07:28,319 the pro proposed rate adjustment in 2008 01:07:28,319 --> 01:07:30,319 light of these operational and financial 2009 01:07:30,319 --> 01:07:32,000 considerations and determine whether the 2010 01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:33,839 revised rate structure is in the best 2011 01:07:33,839 --> 01:07:39,029 interest of the water system and 2012 01:07:39,039 --> 01:07:40,880 letting you guys know that we've done 2013 01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:45,280 the homework and this is what I use this 2014 01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:47,039 never something I like to do. I'm sure 2015 01:07:47,039 --> 01:07:48,799 nobody likes to do it. I just rather 2016 01:07:48,799 --> 01:07:51,359 give everybody free water. 2017 01:07:51,359 --> 01:07:54,799 Unfortunately, we can't do that. 2018 01:07:54,799 --> 01:07:59,440 Scott, we approve of resolution R-2026-2 2019 01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:05,109 water rate increase title 01-20.010 2020 01:08:05,119 --> 01:08:07,039 resend 2021 01:08:07,039 --> 01:08:09,440 a schedule of water rates fees and 2022 01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:11,280 charges second. 2023 01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:13,760 >> Roll call vote. Sir I 2024 01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:17,910 >> Mike I 2025 01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:20,400 » motion carries on item number 10 2026 01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:22,799 resolution R-2026-18 2027 01:08:22,799 --> 01:08:24,400 amending the town fee schedule relating 2028 01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:26,400 to water rate solid waste fees boundary 2029 01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:28,400 adjustment master development agreements 2030 01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:30,400 water agreements and other agreements 2031 01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:31,839 requiring legal engineering or 2032 01:08:31,839 --> 01:08:33,359 administrative review and establishing 2033 01:08:33,359 --> 01:08:35,279 after the fact so let me run these down 2034 01:08:35,279 --> 01:08:38,480 for you um trash increases start there 2035 01:08:38,480 --> 01:08:40,400 we are we just did the budget and we 2036 01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:42,560 were coming up I don't we're 67 8,000 2037 01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:44,239 short on our trash. We don't make money. 2038 01:08:44,239 --> 01:08:46,319 We just break even with what we pay to 2039 01:08:46,319 --> 01:08:48,480 the county and we are coming up short. 2040 01:08:48,480 --> 01:08:51,600 So, I am proposing a $1.50 a month 2041 01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:54,400 increase to all residents and that will 2042 01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:56,640 make up that difference and we will be 2043 01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:59,199 breaking even again. Um, in the past 2044 01:08:59,199 --> 01:09:01,279 year or two, we've just eaten it, but 2045 01:09:01,279 --> 01:09:02,880 the budget got a little tight this year. 2046 01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:03,520 So, 2047 01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:05,520 >> just so the community understands too, 2048 01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:07,199 we don't have any real control over 2049 01:09:07,199 --> 01:09:08,960 that. That's done by 2050 01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:12,319 >> Washington County special service desk. 2051 01:09:12,319 --> 01:09:14,000 We served on that for quite a while, 2052 01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:15,679 too. And they've really got their hands 2053 01:09:15,679 --> 01:09:17,679 full. 2054 01:09:17,679 --> 01:09:19,359 >> You can just pretty much count on every 2055 01:09:19,359 --> 01:09:21,600 year. It's going it's going to go up a 2056 01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:22,319 few minutes. 2057 01:09:22,319 --> 01:09:24,159 >> We don't make money. We don't charge a 2058 01:09:24,159 --> 01:09:26,560 handling fee for Michelle and Jenna's 2059 01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:28,960 time. Nothing like that. Exactly what 2060 01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:29,520 they charge us. 2061 01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:30,799 >> We just missed a couple of rate 2062 01:09:30,799 --> 01:09:35,510 increases or something somehow, but some 2063 01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:37,759 we just got behind. We digest it 2064 01:09:37,759 --> 01:09:40,319 >> and we don't have the ability to look 2065 01:09:40,319 --> 01:09:44,309 for a different 2066 01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:48,550 part of the county. 2067 01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:53,359 » Yeah, that's why I was saying there's no look for anything else to try 2068 01:09:53,359 --> 01:09:54,719 and get a better rate because of the 2069 01:09:54,719 --> 01:09:56,719 county and the way that the special 2070 01:09:56,719 --> 01:09:59,199 district. 2071 01:09:59,199 --> 01:10:00,000 >> Yeah. 2072 01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,560 >> So, we're going to go from 1466 a month 2073 01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:05,040 to 1616 a month. It's $150. That's one 2074 01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:08,159 thing. The next thing is we are 2075 01:10:08,159 --> 01:10:10,159 proposing that we double the after the 2076 01:10:10,159 --> 01:10:13,440 fact fees. Right now we there's a couple 2077 01:10:13,440 --> 01:10:14,640 permits that we say, "Oh, you're going 2078 01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:16,400 to have to pay extra." This is for 2079 01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:17,920 people who build a house without a 2080 01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:20,239 permit or that doesn't happen often. 2081 01:10:20,239 --> 01:10:22,480 Mainly probably like business licenses. 2082 01:10:22,480 --> 01:10:23,679 We get people that don't get business 2083 01:10:23,679 --> 01:10:25,360 license and then they get caught. 2084 01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:27,280 There's no repercussion. Why would you? 2085 01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:28,880 There's nothing to say, "Oh, I I should 2086 01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:30,480 have done this, but now I'm in trouble." 2087 01:10:30,480 --> 01:10:32,080 We just let them pay the same amount. 2088 01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:34,640 So, we're looking to double the fees if 2089 01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:37,679 you come in and do it after. So, if you 2090 01:10:37,679 --> 01:10:39,199 uh 2091 01:10:39,199 --> 01:10:40,560 >> lost like the law school, we've had a 2092 01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:42,080 lot of illegal loss, but a lot of them 2093 01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:43,199 lately and 2094 01:10:43,199 --> 01:10:44,480 >> probably more of that than anything 2095 01:10:44,480 --> 01:10:45,280 >> of anything. Yeah. 2096 01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:46,960 >> Even over the past years. Yeah. 2097 01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:49,520 >> And why not? Why not do it? There's no risk. 2098 01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:50,800 >> They just go to the county and do it. 2099 01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:52,000 >> They just go to the county, do it. We 2100 01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:53,600 write them up and then okay, I got 2101 01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:55,040 caught. I come in and pay the regular 2102 01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:56,000 fee. Well, now there's going to be 2103 01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:57,360 double the fee. So, you need to do what 2104 01:10:57,360 --> 01:10:58,239 you're supposed to do. 2105 01:10:58,239 --> 01:11:00,000 >> What is the average fee for that? 2106 01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:02,159 >> 800 bucks. So then it'll go to 60. 2107 01:11:02,159 --> 01:11:03,920 >> If you get caught without one, you go to 2108 01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:06,640 69. Um, so that's one of the fees. And 2109 01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:08,800 the biggest one was, so we're getting 2110 01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:11,760 into more development and we are writing 2111 01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:14,400 MDAs and stuff like that. This is 2112 01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:17,440 costing us huge amounts of money. Like I 2113 01:11:17,440 --> 01:11:19,920 will give you, we got Travis to pay for 2114 01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:23,360 his luckily. Um, but that one was close 2115 01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:26,000 to $50,000. I mean, when you take my 2116 01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,080 time, the girls time, Bradley's time, 2117 01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:30,719 the attorneys, the engineers, these are 2118 01:11:30,719 --> 01:11:33,360 very expensive MDAs and water agreements 2119 01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:34,880 both, but it's not fair that the 2120 01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:36,880 residents pay for that. So, what we are 2121 01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:38,320 doing is we're putting in a fee 2122 01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:40,320 structure there that we're not making 2123 01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:41,920 money, but you're going to pay for what 2124 01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:44,320 it cost the town to write up your NPA or 2125 01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:46,880 your water drink. we can't I can't pay 2126 01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:50,159 the attorney, you know. I think we 2127 01:11:50,159 --> 01:11:51,360 can't that cost. 2128 01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:55,600 >> This is too much to and then and then MBAs fall apart. People lose 2129 01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:57,120 property and stuff and so you do it with 2130 01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:58,400 the hopes of development and you're 2131 01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:00,159 going to get that back. But this is a 2132 01:12:00,159 --> 01:12:01,199 good instance of where there's no 2133 01:12:01,199 --> 01:12:03,760 development now. So we can't take that 2134 01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:05,360 kind of financial hit. So we 2135 01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:06,800 >> good job getting paid back. 2136 01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:12,709 >> Yeah. So, I've added that in there. And 2137 01:12:12,719 --> 01:12:15,360 well, we added a new we call a b a 2138 01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:16,719 boundary adjustment fee, which is 2139 01:12:16,719 --> 01:12:19,280 basically a lot line adjustment. We've 2140 01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:20,719 kind of just done it that way, but I 2141 01:12:20,719 --> 01:12:22,800 wanted the official wording because a 2142 01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:24,560 lot split is when you split, too. But 2143 01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:27,040 you can also move a lot line and we need 2144 01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:28,640 to be involved in that and charge a fee 2145 01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:30,880 because if someone adjusted the lot line 2146 01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:36,080 on their property sometimes it makes um 2147 01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:38,800 a parcel what am 2148 01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:40,800 >> landlock thank you are too small like 2149 01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:42,239 they could just go move their lot and 2150 01:12:42,239 --> 01:12:43,600 now they've made a lot that's not to our 2151 01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:45,600 ordinance now you're in violation or you 2152 01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:46,960 can we've had some we have some 2153 01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:48,640 properties are landlocked so we have to 2154 01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:49,840 be involved in this to make sure we're 2155 01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:52,239 going to improve any lots so that's the 2156 01:12:52,239 --> 01:12:53,760 other fee that would add on there so 2157 01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:56,000 That covers all of these that were added 2158 01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:57,520 on. I know it sounds like a lot, but 2159 01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:00,480 those are all 2160 01:13:00,480 --> 01:13:05,750 I know it's a lot. 2161 01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:11,110 We approve resolution R-2026-18 2162 01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:14,960 scheduling schedule agency water solid 2163 01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:17,600 waste boundary adjustments master 2164 01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:21,830 development agreements watery 2165 01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:24,159 legal engineering or administrative 2166 01:13:24,159 --> 01:13:25,760 review 2167 01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:28,000 after the fact 2168 01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:29,520 that we'll call 2169 01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:32,320 >> vote 2170 01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,719 Any fif 2171 01:13:34,719 --> 01:13:35,199 I 2172 01:13:35,199 --> 01:13:38,640 >> motion carries on to item number 11 2173 01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:41,440 resolution R-2026-9 2174 01:13:41,440 --> 01:13:44,640 adopt fiscal year FY2027 tenative budget 2175 01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:47,440 and establish June 30th at 6 pm for 2176 01:13:47,440 --> 01:13:49,280 public hearing date where the public can 2177 01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:52,000 comment on the tentative budget. So this 2178 01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:54,400 is just you guys saying this is a 2179 01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:56,400 tenative budget looks okay. We can make 2180 01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:57,920 changes. The town's going to come. 2181 01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:00,159 You're not actually voting it in yet. 2182 01:14:00,159 --> 01:14:01,440 We're just going to say the tenative 2183 01:14:01,440 --> 01:14:03,120 budget looks good and then we're going 2184 01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:04,800 to put it to public notice. They have to 2185 01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:06,400 have their 10 days to look at it, come 2186 01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:07,760 in and comment on the 30th and then 2187 01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:10,000 we'll vote it in. If you guys have any 2188 01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:11,520 questions, it was much 2189 01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:14,159 >> Thank you for the $200,000 raise in the 2190 01:14:14,159 --> 01:14:17,510 public. 2191 01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:20,159 » Keep dreaming. This was this was a this 2192 01:14:20,159 --> 01:14:22,640 was a tight year. Had a lot of 2193 01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:24,800 >> We It's because last year was a really 2194 01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:25,840 this year's gonna be tight, but last 2195 01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:27,040 year was really tight. We have a lot of 2196 01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:29,120 equipment stuff that we spent money on. 2197 01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:31,360 So, we cut back the budget. We're not 2198 01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:33,360 putting your 2199 01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:34,560 >> Yeah, we're putting still putting some 2200 01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:36,719 money in the savings account and and I'm 2201 01:14:36,719 --> 01:14:39,360 very frugal with that. I would rather be 2202 01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:40,960 air on the side of having more money 2203 01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:42,719 than not having enough. So 2204 01:14:42,719 --> 01:14:44,960 >> I make a motion to approve resolution 2205 01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:48,310 4-20-19 2206 01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:52,080 fiscal year 2027 end of the budget 2207 01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:55,520 establish and established June 30th at 6 2208 01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:58,800 p.m. for public hearing for the public 2209 01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:02,470 comments. 2210 01:15:02,480 --> 01:15:05,280 Roll call vote. 2211 01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:09,990 >> Frank I 2212 01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:12,400 motion carries on item number 12 2213 01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:15,280 resolution R-202-22 2214 01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:16,800 approving an intergovernmental 2215 01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:19,040 cooperative agreement by and between the 2216 01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:21,040 town of Colorado City, Arizona and the 2217 01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:22,640 town of Aqua Valley, Utah for police 2218 01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:25,040 services. I'm also going to kind of 2219 01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:27,280 include my my presentation to you guys, 2220 01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:29,360 item number 13, because it's the part 2221 01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:30,719 with to do with the courts. So, I'm 2222 01:15:30,719 --> 01:15:31,920 gonna kind of give you guys the whole 2223 01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:34,480 rundown and give you some information so 2224 01:15:34,480 --> 01:15:35,520 it doesn't seem 2225 01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:37,520 >> I ran through this thing three times and 2226 01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:39,440 then I went in and had a meeting with 2227 01:15:39,440 --> 01:15:40,800 the mayor on top of it. 2228 01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:42,080 >> So, here's what's going on. 2229 01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:42,800 >> Okay. 2230 01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:44,320 >> So, a while back, chief came to me and 2231 01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:46,080 said, "We have a problem with with 2232 01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:48,080 dispatch. The way our dispatch is 2233 01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:50,400 working is basically we're calls are 2234 01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:53,920 going in. One call goes over to Hillell 2235 01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:55,520 to that dispatch and then Hurricane and 2236 01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:57,920 the sheriff on a different dispatch and 2237 01:15:57,920 --> 01:15:59,360 there was an instance I think it 2238 01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:00,640 happened a couple times where he called 2239 01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:03,440 in that everything was okay and code for 2240 01:16:03,440 --> 01:16:05,600 whatever they use and yet the sheriff 2241 01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:07,360 come up here flying up here at 100 miles 2242 01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:08,719 an hour site he didn't get the 2243 01:16:08,719 --> 01:16:10,320 information 2244 01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:12,640 lights and sirens gets up here is upset 2245 01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:14,320 with chief going hey you know what I 2246 01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:16,239 came up here he called it in but they 2247 01:16:16,239 --> 01:16:17,679 have to I understand they have to 2248 01:16:17,679 --> 01:16:19,520 physically take their phone and call the 2249 01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:21,199 dispatch system they're not like that. 2250 01:16:21,199 --> 01:16:22,800 So she comes to me and said, "We got to 2251 01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:23,520 fix this. 2252 01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:25,520 >> It's been a mess for a long time." 2253 01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:26,640 >> So one of the proposals 2254 01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:28,640 >> kudos on getting the right direction. 2255 01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:30,640 >> So one of the proposals and him talk was 2256 01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:34,080 to uh take on the the police department 2257 01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:35,920 from Hill. That that's what started 2258 01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:37,679 this. And then I went back and forth and 2259 01:16:37,679 --> 01:16:40,320 we negotiated. And as I dug into this, 2260 01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:41,679 let me tell you guys some facts. Right 2261 01:16:41,679 --> 01:16:43,840 now we pay $20,000 a year to the 2262 01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:47,600 sheriff's department for extra patrols. 2263 01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:50,800 Um, they hit me with a $15,000 increase 2264 01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:52,320 and I haven't resigned the contract. 2265 01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:53,440 We've just been kind of just still 2266 01:16:53,440 --> 01:16:55,520 paying it and avoiding it. So really, 2267 01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:56,880 they want 15,000 more. So they want to 2268 01:16:56,880 --> 01:17:00,560 go up to 35,000 for extra patrol. We are 2269 01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:02,480 not getting hardly any money from the 2270 01:17:02,480 --> 01:17:05,120 sheriff when they write tickets. So 2271 01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:07,600 basically, um, there's a little box 2272 01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:08,960 where they write their tickets, but they 2273 01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:11,199 check Apple Valley. The officer does not 2274 01:17:11,199 --> 01:17:12,880 check that. We don't get credit for the 2275 01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:15,120 tickets. If they check the county, they 2276 01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:16,320 get the money. So, what do you think 2277 01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:19,440 officers can do? I mean, the chief I 2278 01:17:19,440 --> 01:17:21,600 talked to the sheriff and he was we're 2279 01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:22,800 going to look into it and stuff that 2280 01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:23,920 he's like, he said, I can't control. I'm 2281 01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:25,120 not sitting in a car with him when they 2282 01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:27,120 check the box. So, we also did a few 2283 01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:29,199 little test runs of some citations that 2284 01:17:29,199 --> 01:17:30,640 we know were marked Apple Valley and 2285 01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:31,760 somehow when they get into the court 2286 01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:33,040 systems, we're not getting credit for 2287 01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:36,239 these tickets. So, we have like four or 2288 01:17:36,239 --> 01:17:38,400 $5,000 a year income coming in from our 2289 01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:41,360 papers. doesn't even cover the court 2290 01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:43,920 cost, the town prosecutor and the town 2291 01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:46,080 public or the public defender. So what 2292 01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:47,360 they do? 2293 01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:49,360 >> Yeah. So what they do is when we write a 2294 01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:50,480 ticket, and I don't remember the exact 2295 01:17:50,480 --> 01:17:51,520 percentage, I think it's 20. They just 2296 01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:53,199 say, "Okay, you get 20%. The rest goes 2297 01:17:53,199 --> 01:17:55,440 to us." That's to pay for the big nice 2298 01:17:55,440 --> 01:17:57,120 building, they have the very expensive 2299 01:17:57,120 --> 01:17:59,679 judge, the expensive helm, public 2300 01:17:59,679 --> 01:18:02,480 defenders, all this stuff. So what Hildo 2301 01:18:02,480 --> 01:18:04,560 is proposing is they came to me and 2302 01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:07,600 said, I'll start with this. $100,000 a 2303 01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:08,880 year. Well, first it was a million 2304 01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:11,360 dollars saying. So anyways, $100,000 a 2305 01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:13,199 year. We have a dedicated officer out on 2306 01:18:13,199 --> 01:18:14,400 the highway. We're going to write 2307 01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:16,719 tickets and we're going to do it right. 2308 01:18:16,719 --> 01:18:17,840 You're going to get credit. You're going 2309 01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:20,320 to get your Okay. And I've been 2310 01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:22,159 pondering on that. Kind of just scared 2311 01:18:22,159 --> 01:18:23,840 to bring it to you guys. Kind of scared 2312 01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:25,040 to make that kind of a commitment. 2313 01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:26,080 That's a lot of money to 2314 01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:28,000 >> I was freaked out all the rest. 2315 01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:29,760 >> So I went back to Chief Bradley and 2316 01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:31,199 said, you know, I'm just this is a lot 2317 01:18:31,199 --> 01:18:32,560 of money. This is a big commitment. this 2318 01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:34,400 thinking nerve. So, Chief Bradley said, 2319 01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:36,880 "Okay, let's bite off a little something 2320 01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:39,520 smaller. Let's do this. Let's agree to 2321 01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:40,960 respond to all your calls. We average 2322 01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:42,480 seven calls a month. We'll do your seven 2323 01:18:42,480 --> 01:18:44,320 calls a month. So, when you call 911 or 2324 01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:46,239 whatever, they'll they'll come here. Um, 2325 01:18:46,239 --> 01:18:47,679 we'll do all your calls. Your dispatch 2326 01:18:47,679 --> 01:18:48,640 will run through us. It's already 2327 01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:49,920 running through us through fire. We're 2328 01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:51,040 not going to charge you more. That's 2329 01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:54,000 fine. And let's just do part-time patrol 2330 01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:55,520 of the highway. Then, let's do it for 2331 01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:57,199 30,000 a year." Then you're not out on 2332 01:18:57,199 --> 01:18:58,800 money. 20,000 from the sheriff comes 2333 01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:00,320 over here. You're going to be out 2334 01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:01,920 10,000. was really not. We were going to 2335 01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:04,159 pay him 35. But he said, "You will I 2336 01:19:04,159 --> 01:19:06,159 promise you I this is I mean I know what 2337 01:19:06,159 --> 01:19:07,520 we make on our diggers. You will make 2338 01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:09,040 that back. It won't cost you anything. 2339 01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:11,040 In fact, you're going to make enough 2340 01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:12,239 money that you're going to come back to 2341 01:19:12,239 --> 01:19:14,159 me in six months and say, "Let's do the 2342 01:19:14,159 --> 01:19:15,440 dedicated option. Let's sign the 2343 01:19:15,440 --> 01:19:17,360 $100,000 year contract." I said, "Well, 2344 01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:18,719 we'll cross that bridge when we come 2345 01:19:18,719 --> 01:19:20,320 to." So, right now, what we're looking 2346 01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:23,760 to do, let me button this up, is we are 2347 01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:25,199 going to take the money from the 2348 01:19:25,199 --> 01:19:26,159 sheriff. We're no longer going to 2349 01:19:26,159 --> 01:19:27,520 contract the sheriff. Now, by law, the 2350 01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:29,760 sheriff still has to service us. Good 2351 01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:32,000 luck. I mean that pretty much why we pay 2352 01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:33,760 the grant just even get them come up 2353 01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:37,120 here. Um so uh it'll be Colorado City 2354 01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:40,320 Hill Valley Police Department and they 2355 01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:42,640 will respond to all our 911 calls. Seven 2356 01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:45,120 of them a month. If we go over they want 2357 01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:47,280 $75 a call. We've never had over seven. 2358 01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:49,199 That's fine. No problem there. Um 2359 01:19:49,199 --> 01:19:50,719 they'll do a part-time control of the 2360 01:19:50,719 --> 01:19:52,239 highway. I'm going to work with Chief 2361 01:19:52,239 --> 01:19:54,320 Bradley on some zero tolerance from 2362 01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:56,239 illegal lane passing, unsafe passing 2363 01:19:56,239 --> 01:19:58,159 speeders. Um, this will just be from 2364 01:19:58,159 --> 01:19:59,520 Apple Valley from where we're at the 2365 01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:01,440 Cinder Pits area where we start all the 2366 01:20:01,440 --> 01:20:04,640 way to to the Hilldale line and they 2367 01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:06,239 will start pulling people over and 2368 01:20:06,239 --> 01:20:08,400 writing tickets. And I know this is a 2369 01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:09,679 big concern of the town. I've been 2370 01:20:09,679 --> 01:20:10,960 getting lots of feedback from the town 2371 01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:12,239 about, you know, okay, you fixed the 2372 01:20:12,239 --> 01:20:13,440 water, you guys have done this, you've 2373 01:20:13,440 --> 01:20:15,600 done this, let's fix the highway. I 2374 01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:18,400 cannot do any DOT does not care about 2375 01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:21,679 me. I'm just mayor of 900 people. I'm 2376 01:20:21,679 --> 01:20:25,040 very small fish. Um, there has been 2377 01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:26,880 three deaths on this highway in three 2378 01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:29,520 years. That does not constitute you do 2379 01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:31,360 saying, "We have this huge problem. 2380 01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:32,880 Let's throw 10 million old dollars over 2381 01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:34,320 there and make more lanes and all this 2382 01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:36,080 stuff." Doesn't constitute that. They 2383 01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:37,840 have far more deaths on other highways. 2384 01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:39,280 That's where the money is going to go. 2385 01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:41,360 They are going to put six and a half 2386 01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:42,960 million dollars onto the highway and 2387 01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:44,960 adding some lanes. 2388 01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:46,880 I'm not I haven't done the studies and 2389 01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:48,000 all that. I don't think it's going to 2390 01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:49,440 help. They're going to add a lane from 2391 01:20:49,440 --> 01:20:51,920 Goobury Lodges all the way to Paradise, 2392 01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:53,440 which is where the mailboxes are, where 2393 01:20:53,440 --> 01:20:54,400 the storage facility is. They're going 2394 01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:56,960 to add more lanes. This section here, I 2395 01:20:56,960 --> 01:20:58,400 don't see a passing problem through 2396 01:20:58,400 --> 01:20:59,840 here. And we already have plenty of 2397 01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:01,440 space. So, I don't think it's going to 2398 01:21:01,440 --> 01:21:03,679 help. It seems to be from Gooseberry 2399 01:21:03,679 --> 01:21:05,840 Lodgees that way. Now, we can't patrol 2400 01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:07,440 down into I mean, they can, but we're 2401 01:21:07,440 --> 01:21:08,640 not going to credit anything on the 2402 01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:09,679 other side, so we're not going to pay 2403 01:21:09,679 --> 01:21:12,320 for that. So, I think this is an answer 2404 01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:14,960 to the public's cry for us, you know, to 2405 01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:17,520 try to do something. this is what we can 2406 01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:19,440 do. We can't get you out dot to do 2407 01:21:19,440 --> 01:21:21,280 anything, but this is something we can 2408 01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:22,000 do 2409 01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:23,040 >> and it's cost effective. 2410 01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:24,640 and and for now, 2411 01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:26,000 like I said, maybe he's writing in six 2412 01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:26,960 months, I'll be bringing you guys a 2413 01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:28,320 proposal for a dedicated officer, 2414 01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:30,159 $100,000 a year, and we'll be able to do 2415 01:21:30,159 --> 01:21:32,080 it with the with the income. But right 2416 01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:33,360 now, I just wanted to chew off a small 2417 01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:35,280 piece. I was nervous, but I I just don't 2418 01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:38,640 see any negatives to this. Um even if it 2419 01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:40,880 was cost an extra 30,000 here, I'm 2420 01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:42,880 willing to pay. I mean, how do we put a 2421 01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:45,280 price on the safety of our residents? I 2422 01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:48,320 mean there all of our kids, grandkids, 2423 01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:49,920 spouses, they all drive this highway. 2424 01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:51,920 They all I guarantee each one of you and 2425 01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:54,159 all your spouses have a story if not 2426 01:21:54,159 --> 01:21:57,280 several stories of near collisions, near 2427 01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:58,560 death because we I've hear them from 2428 01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:01,120 every. So, um that's what I feel we 2429 01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:02,480 could do with step up patrols. I had 2430 01:22:02,480 --> 01:22:03,679 some people say, "Oh, it don't matter. 2431 01:22:03,679 --> 01:22:05,280 They're going to do it anyways." So, you 2432 01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:06,639 don't believe in law enforcement at all 2433 01:22:06,639 --> 01:22:08,080 because your theory is by have law 2434 01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:09,040 enforcement anyways because they're 2435 01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:10,480 going to do what they want. I do believe 2436 01:22:10,480 --> 01:22:12,159 some people are going to say, "Too bad, 2437 01:22:12,159 --> 01:22:13,360 so sad." But when you have a zero 2438 01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:15,199 tolerance and you're writing tickets, 2439 01:22:15,199 --> 01:22:16,800 after you get several tickets and you 2440 01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:18,800 don't pay them and we start arresting 2441 01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:21,280 people and impounding their vehicles, I 2442 01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:22,320 think they're going to start listening. 2443 01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:23,840 They're going to be in jail. It's that 2444 01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:25,440 simple. And and I'm not going to be 2445 01:22:25,440 --> 01:22:26,719 secret about it and I told the chief 2446 01:22:26,719 --> 01:22:28,960 this I don't I you know these people 2447 01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:30,480 I've followed a few vehicles that have 2448 01:22:30,480 --> 01:22:32,159 cut me off and I'm not finally and I've 2449 01:22:32,159 --> 01:22:34,400 seen where they go and not all of them 2450 01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:36,560 but we we can't have that and we have to 2451 01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:39,040 I feel like we have to do something and 2452 01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:40,400 I think we need to put in the zero 2453 01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:42,480 tolerance and we will and the other good 2454 01:22:42,480 --> 01:22:44,560 thing is this like I I can I can 2455 01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:45,920 literally call Chief Bradley right now. 2456 01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:47,440 He'll answer my call. when you're 2457 01:22:47,440 --> 01:22:49,840 calling the sheriff who's in charge of I 2458 01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:51,360 don't even know where they got 800 2459 01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:54,080 officers or whatever, you know, take my 2460 01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:56,480 call or who am I, but you rather take my 2461 01:22:56,480 --> 01:22:58,159 call. So, I think it gives us more 2462 01:22:58,159 --> 01:22:59,920 control. We can, you know, make sure 2463 01:22:59,920 --> 01:23:01,360 that we have a zero tolerance and we're 2464 01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:03,040 not letting I told them everybody gets a 2465 01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:04,239 ticket when they break the law. Myself 2466 01:23:04,239 --> 01:23:05,760 included. I break the law, you guys 2467 01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:06,960 better write me a ticket because if they 2468 01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:08,560 don't, I'm going to be upset. I'm going 2469 01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:10,159 to call you say your guys let me off. 2470 01:23:10,159 --> 01:23:12,320 That's not right. So, I don't you know, 2471 01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:14,159 we'll tell our residents, don't speed, 2472 01:23:14,159 --> 01:23:15,520 don't illegal passing because you're 2473 01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:17,280 going to get a ticket. So saying I'm on 2474 01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:18,560 the town council is not going to do 2475 01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:18,800 these. 2476 01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:21,840 >> No sir. No. 2477 01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:23,440 >> And I should clarify one more thing. 2478 01:23:23,440 --> 01:23:25,199 These guys are not coming in here to 2479 01:23:25,199 --> 01:23:27,440 patrol and write tickets or nothing like 2480 01:23:27,440 --> 01:23:29,600 that. They're not when I say patrol hits 2481 01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:31,360 the highway. They will be responding to 2482 01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:33,840 our calls. If at any point in time we 2483 01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:36,080 feel we need patrols in here. We will. 2484 01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:37,840 The sheriff does some minor patrols in 2485 01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:39,600 here, but we get the reports. I'm sure 2486 01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:40,639 you guys see them. There's never been an 2487 01:23:40,639 --> 01:23:41,760 instance where, oh well, I was 2488 01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:43,120 patrolling and I pulled over this person 2489 01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:44,880 and I did this. There's there's just a 2490 01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:46,159 crime here. And I know it's a deterrent 2491 01:23:46,159 --> 01:23:48,960 to have them in here, but when I do get 2492 01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:50,800 a complaint that some elderly person 2493 01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:52,400 calls me and says, "Oh, there's kids 2494 01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:54,560 riding wheelies down the street, and 2495 01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:55,760 there's no point in calling anybody 2496 01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:56,639 because by the time they get here, 2497 01:23:56,639 --> 01:23:58,080 they're long gone." I will usually just 2498 01:23:58,080 --> 01:23:59,520 go out, grab the kids, and talk to them 2499 01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:00,800 and say, "Hey, listen. I don't call the 2500 01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:01,440 cops. 2501 01:24:01,440 --> 01:24:01,920 >> Chill. 2502 01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:03,920 >> Start rides. Go ride wheelies out there. 2503 01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:05,360 Do whatever you want. I won't call the 2504 01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:06,719 cops. You can ride through town. Just 2505 01:24:06,719 --> 01:24:08,480 slow down. No wheelies. Drive through 2506 01:24:08,480 --> 01:24:11,040 town. No problem. Just ourselves." So, 2507 01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:12,960 >> I just tell you've been warned. 2508 01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:14,960 >> Yeah. I I just don't tearing up my part. 2509 01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:16,480 >> I know it's a big commitment, but I just 2510 01:24:16,480 --> 01:24:17,679 it's a big change. I shouldn't say 2511 01:24:17,679 --> 01:24:19,040 commit. It's a big change, but I I don't 2512 01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:20,560 see any negatives in it. 2513 01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:22,560 >> I just think we're we can build off of 2514 01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:23,760 this and see what happens. 2515 01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:26,480 >> You guys haven't been great. 2516 01:24:26,480 --> 01:24:28,560 >> I really well for us. 2517 01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:29,199 >> I really do. 2518 01:24:29,199 --> 01:24:32,320 >> I read all and I agree. But I mean, we 2519 01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:35,280 can grow from it. 2520 01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:37,600 >> I'm just tired of these people on the 2521 01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:39,120 highway endangering lives. Both the last 2522 01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:41,120 two accidents that had deaths in them 2523 01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:42,960 were because of an illegal past. 2524 01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:43,360 >> Yeah. 2525 01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:44,560 >> So, 2526 01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:47,360 >> they're both I make a motion we approve 2527 01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:49,520 resolution, 2528 01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:53,280 >> excuse me, resolution R-20226-22 2529 01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:56,800 approving and inter governmental 2530 01:24:56,800 --> 01:24:59,199 cooperative agreement by and between the 2531 01:24:59,199 --> 01:25:01,600 town of Colorado City, Arizona and the 2532 01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:05,280 town of Apple Valley, Utah services. 2533 01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:07,280 >> Okay, we'll call vote. 2534 01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:08,960 I 2535 01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:10,320 >> I 2536 01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:12,480 >> Mr. Palmer I motion carries. 2537 01:25:12,480 --> 01:25:13,840 >> Thank you for all your hard work with 2538 01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:14,239 us. 2539 01:25:14,239 --> 01:25:16,000 >> No problem. And the second one is the 2540 01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:17,600 court. It comes with let me explain that 2541 01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:19,679 really quick. Uh before like I said they 2542 01:25:19,679 --> 01:25:21,280 were just giving us 20%. What'll work 2543 01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:23,040 now is what's way it's working now is 2544 01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:24,239 this is going to help Philadelphia. 2545 01:25:24,239 --> 01:25:25,760 They're having a hard time keeping their 2546 01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:28,080 courts going. Um they have their people 2547 01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:29,520 have a lot of free times that they could 2548 01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:31,199 take this on. They wouldn't have to hire 2549 01:25:31,199 --> 01:25:32,880 anybody but we will now be paying in to 2550 01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:34,800 help them out. Um we're not paying for 2551 01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:35,920 the building. And she's like, "We got 2552 01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:37,040 the building. We're not going to do like 2553 01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:38,960 they didn't charge you. Their judges 2554 01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:40,400 make less. The public defender makes 2555 01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:41,840 less. They all make less. So what we'll 2556 01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:43,360 do is we're going to she's going to 2557 01:25:43,360 --> 01:25:44,480 they're going to come up with a figure 2558 01:25:44,480 --> 01:25:47,280 that says, "Okay, if we have a thousand 2559 01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:49,520 cases a year and the judge makes this 2560 01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:51,440 much, divide that over the cases, this 2561 01:25:51,440 --> 01:25:53,520 is how much each case costs and for 2562 01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:58,560 every case we have, we will out of our uh picking money, they will take 2563 01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:00,400 that out of that. They'll take out the 2564 01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:01,920 public defender and all that stuff. And 2565 01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:03,199 then we'll just deal whatever's left 2566 01:26:03,199 --> 01:26:04,800 over. There's no just we're taking 20% 2567 01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:06,880 out that's what you get. So when we 2568 01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:09,199 crunch when I ch crunch numbers with 2569 01:26:09,199 --> 01:26:11,679 chief it's a lot more money and we can 2570 01:26:11,679 --> 01:26:14,080 be assured that chief his people are 2571 01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:15,360 correct in the box and it's going to 2572 01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:17,840 this court and nobody's I'm going to say 2573 01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:19,440 screwing us screwing out of screwing us 2574 01:26:19,440 --> 01:26:22,400 out of our ticket money. So 2575 01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:23,600 >> they go somewhere else. 2576 01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:24,239 >> Yeah. 2577 01:26:24,239 --> 01:26:25,760 >> Yep. 2578 01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:28,560 We approve resolution R26-2 2579 01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:30,800 approving an interlocal property 2580 01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:32,480 preparation agreement for the justice 2581 01:26:32,480 --> 01:26:35,199 court services. 2582 01:26:35,199 --> 01:26:40,390 >> I'll second 2583 01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:40,719 I 2584 01:26:40,719 --> 01:26:44,159 >> Mr. Palmer I motion carries. Now that 2585 01:26:44,159 --> 01:26:45,920 we've approved it now they will take 2586 01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:47,760 I'll sign this. They'll take it to their 2587 01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:49,840 council meeting and approve it and then 2588 01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:51,840 we'll I tried to get it after July 1. 2589 01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:54,719 We'll see. All right. On item number 14, 2590 01:26:54,719 --> 01:26:56,239 formally accept a donation in the amount 2591 01:26:56,239 --> 01:26:58,080 of $4,230. 2592 01:26:58,080 --> 01:26:59,600 These funds were received from the gold 2593 01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:01,040 coin that the council previously 2594 01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:02,800 authorized the mayor to redeem. It is 2595 01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:04,480 unknown who originally donated the gold 2596 01:27:04,480 --> 01:27:05,840 coin. This is what I brought to you guys 2597 01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:07,920 last meeting with a safe deposit box. I 2598 01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:09,920 went and got it. I took it to the coin 2599 01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:13,280 shop out in St. George. Um he said if we 2600 01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:15,440 waited for a while he could give us $200 2601 01:27:15,440 --> 01:27:17,199 more. I said no, just cash it in. Gave 2602 01:27:17,199 --> 01:27:20,400 us $4,230. I told you guys we donated 2603 01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:22,159 that to the cemetery to put the fence up 2604 01:27:22,159 --> 01:27:24,400 and everything. We just have to formally 2605 01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:26,480 accept the donation. 2606 01:27:26,480 --> 01:27:28,400 All that is 2607 01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:30,639 >> formally accept the donation in amount 2608 01:27:30,639 --> 01:27:32,960 of $4,230. 2609 01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:34,719 These funds were received from the gold 2610 01:27:34,719 --> 01:27:36,800 coin that the council previously 2611 01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:39,199 authorized the toe 2612 01:27:39,199 --> 01:27:41,600 originally donated gold coin. 2613 01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:42,880 >> Second. 2614 01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:44,159 >> All in favor? 2615 01:27:44,159 --> 01:27:47,199 >> I motion carries. Item number 14, 2616 01:27:47,199 --> 01:27:50,000 donation for town council approval KC 2617 01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:53,040 contracting. Uh we are going they did 2618 01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:54,719 some work on the fire station. We need 2619 01:27:54,719 --> 01:27:56,800 to formally accept their $10,000 2620 01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:58,880 donation for concrete work. His name's 2621 01:27:58,880 --> 01:27:59,920 Tim, right? 2622 01:27:59,920 --> 01:28:03,199 >> Oh Kent Cook. 2623 01:28:03,199 --> 01:28:06,880 >> And he did about I think it was 12,500 2624 01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:08,639 thereabouts in work and only charges 2625 01:28:08,639 --> 01:28:10,719 2500 or something. So about about a 2626 01:28:10,719 --> 01:28:12,159 $10,000 donation 2627 01:28:12,159 --> 01:28:14,560 >> charges for the concrete he paid for a 2628 01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:18,560 portable body materials that he wasted 2629 01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:21,920 that were nonreover. 2630 01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:23,040 So 2631 01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:25,360 >> we really 2632 01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:27,679 >> really appreciate that and make sure 2633 01:28:27,679 --> 01:28:29,600 >> local residents know that he's done this 2634 01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:31,120 for the town and I encourage local 2635 01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:32,639 residents keep it 2636 01:28:32,639 --> 01:28:35,840 >> this is Casey Contracting 2637 01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:37,360 >> and he's Casey Contracting. And so if 2638 01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:39,040 you need concrete work done, I highly 2639 01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:41,120 would recommend that we keep a local and 2640 01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:42,719 help him out. He made a huge donation to 2641 01:28:42,719 --> 01:28:44,719 the town's fire department. So we just 2642 01:28:44,719 --> 01:28:46,320 need to formally accept that donation. 2643 01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:48,000 >> He lived over in Cedar Point area. 2644 01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:49,679 >> Did he do the concrete on the new fire 2645 01:28:49,679 --> 01:28:50,159 station? 2646 01:28:50,159 --> 01:28:51,360 >> Yeah, that's what this is. That's what 2647 01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:52,480 this is. Yep. 2648 01:28:52,480 --> 01:28:53,360 >> Nice. Nice. 2649 01:28:53,360 --> 01:28:55,679 >> Yep. That's what I didn't realize they 2650 01:28:55,679 --> 01:28:57,679 did all that, but yeah. Awesome. Next 2651 01:28:57,679 --> 01:29:00,239 time I'll see you on Thank you. 2652 01:29:00,239 --> 01:29:03,040 >> Yep. You're a great guy. 2653 01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:05,280 I move we approve the donation for the 2654 01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:07,679 town council approved. 2655 01:29:07,679 --> 01:29:09,040 >> All in favor? 2656 01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:12,239 >> I motion carries. On item number 16, 2657 01:29:12,239 --> 01:29:14,719 consideration of updated URS tier 2 2658 01:29:14,719 --> 01:29:16,639 public safety retirement system pickup 2659 01:29:16,639 --> 01:29:18,320 election. Let me explain to you what 2660 01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:20,320 this is. This is fire chief's 2661 01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:22,320 retirement. They're increasing the 2662 01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:23,760 amount. He's current we're currently 2663 01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:24,480 paying. 2664 01:29:24,480 --> 01:29:25,840 >> Wait, where you going? 2665 01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:26,960 >> Where you going, man? 2666 01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:28,800 >> No, don't take your bears. 2667 01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:30,000 >> You don't need to be staring at 2668 01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:31,520 >> No, you do. You can stare at me all you 2669 01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:33,520 want, man. worth your weight at gold. 2670 01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:36,239 Current amount we're paying is $3,7450. 2671 01:29:36,239 --> 01:29:39,280 They're upping the rate to $3,887. 2672 01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:41,360 We are under no obligation to pay this 2673 01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:43,679 for chief by law by anything. It's an 2674 01:29:43,679 --> 01:29:46,800 increase of 81250. I without a doubt 2675 01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:48,560 think we should pick up this entire 2676 01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:51,679 amount. He does a lot. He you guys don't 2677 01:29:51,679 --> 01:29:52,960 see everything he does. He does far and 2678 01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:55,040 beyond his fire duties. He's actually 2679 01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:57,360 helping us with the roads. I mean, yeah, 2680 01:29:57,360 --> 01:29:59,440 I've had a just a horrible last few 2681 01:29:59,440 --> 01:30:00,800 weeks and him and Michelle have 2682 01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:02,400 absolutely just stepped up and took care 2683 01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:03,760 of so much stuff that they're not even 2684 01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:10,950 their job description. So, I I am 100%. 2685 01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:12,320 » He could make more elsewhere. I promise 2686 01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:14,080 you guys that it's 800 bucks a year. I 2687 01:30:14,080 --> 01:30:15,520 don't want him to pay that. I would more 2688 01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:19,520 than happy to pay. So motion it 2689 01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:22,719 go ahead updating 2690 01:30:22,719 --> 01:30:26,709 public. 2691 01:30:26,719 --> 01:30:28,000 » All in favor? 2692 01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:30,880 >> I motion carries. You guys appreciate 2693 01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:33,120 that. And now on to the consent agenda. 2694 01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:35,040 We can wrap this up. Item number 17 2695 01:30:35,040 --> 01:30:37,679 minutes from May 20, 2026 non council 2696 01:30:37,679 --> 01:30:40,000 hearing meeting. Item number 18, April 2697 01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:42,800 2026 water dispersement listing. Item 2698 01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:45,760 19, May 2026 dispersement listing. Item 2699 01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:48,480 20, fiscal year 2026 through May 2026 2700 01:30:48,480 --> 01:30:51,600 budget report. And item 21, May 2026, 2701 01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:55,910 water uses Paris. 2702 01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:58,159 » We approve the consent agenda. 2703 01:30:58,159 --> 01:30:59,280 >> You should have just started that 2704 01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:02,400 without making a motion. We approve. 2705 01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:04,480 >> Give me a second. 2706 01:31:04,480 --> 01:31:05,520 >> All right. 2707 01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:07,280 >> Second. 2708 01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:08,719 >> All right. Scott's got the second. All 2709 01:31:08,719 --> 01:31:09,760 in favor? 2710 01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:12,800 >> I. Motion carries. We don't need a close 2711 01:31:12,800 --> 01:31:15,760 session. Um, do I someone has a motion 2712 01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:16,400 for adjournment? 2713 01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:18,080 >> I make a motion we adjourn. 2714 01:31:18,080 --> 01:31:19,040 >> Second. 2715 01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:20,639 >> All in favor? 2716 01:31:20,639 --> 01:31:23,440 >> Motion carries. Meeting a journ. 2717 01:31:23,440 --> 01:31:25,679 Thank you guys. 2718 01:31:25,679 --> 01:31:28,239 How many call?