[0:10] Okay.
[0:12] Going to call this meeting in order.
[0:14] Town council hearing and meeting. It's
[0:16] Wednesday, June 17th, 2026 at 6 p.m.
[0:19] Let's start with the pledge.
[0:24] To the flag of the United States of
[0:26] America and to the republic for which it
[0:29] stands. One nation under God,
[0:32] indivisible, with liberty and justice
[0:35] for all.
[0:38] » You want to lead us in prayer?
[0:42] » He father, we're grateful to be gathered
[0:44] here. We're grateful for the opportunity
[0:46] that we can serve in our in our
[0:48] community and
[0:51] solve all the problems and move forward
[0:52] in a positive manner. Not that there's a
[0:54] lot of problems, but if we have some,
[0:56] we'd appreciate a little guidance. We
[0:59] ask thee, Father, at this time to
[1:00] certainly bring some rain to our
[1:02] community and keep our aquapers
[1:06] full. and we ask you to look after and
[1:10] bless our military during all these
[1:11] conflicts around the world that you
[1:14] would keep them safe and strengthen
[1:15] them. We also ask you, Father, to help
[1:19] sustain and keep uh Trump, our
[1:22] president, United States, moving forward
[1:24] in a positive direction that he may
[1:26] receive your guidance and all decisions
[1:28] that he makes from the past and moving
[1:31] forward. Father, we especially ask for
[1:34] in our 2026 election
[1:37] that we have
[1:39] um transparency and honesty and truth in
[1:42] the elections that the right people get
[1:43] in that will help further along lead our
[1:46] country. Uh we're grateful for all that
[1:48] hell does for us. We ask thee if there
[1:50] is anything that we can do to help thee
[1:53] with thy work down here on the earth
[1:54] that we are capable and available and
[1:57] hear thy words that we may move forward
[1:59] on that in the future. These things we
[2:01] humbly pray for and grateful for in the
[2:03] name of our Lord and Savior Jesus
[2:05] Christ. Amen.
[2:09] » Alrighty. Roll call.
[2:12] >> Mike here.
[2:14] >> Up here.
[2:15] >> Richard Palmer here.
[2:16] >> Any conflicts of interest tonight for
[2:18] anyone?
[2:19] >> No.
[2:19] need.
[2:21] >> Okay. Let's go into Mayor's Town
[2:24] updates, reports, recommendations,
[2:26] announcement. Uh we'll start with some
[2:28] of the easy stuff. If you guys didn't on
[2:30] social media or on the text, the
[2:32] cemetery is ready. Um, it's not much to
[2:35] look at. But if you buy a plot and you
[2:37] were to pass away tomorrow, we could
[2:38] bury you. So, it's in the field. It'll
[2:41] just as we sell plots, it'll continue to
[2:43] improve, get nicer, get better. Um,
[2:45] we're just going to anything we sell,
[2:46] we're just going right back into the
[2:48] cemetery. So, it's fenced. Um, we've got
[2:50] it surveyed. We're ready to sell plots.
[2:53] The map's up here. If you want to buy
[2:54] one, it's $600 for a plot for a
[2:57] resident. It's 1,500 for a non-resident
[3:00] and then there's a onetime uh
[3:02] maintenance fee of $300. So you come in $900, you walk away with a with a
[3:06] plot.
[3:07] >> And if if any of you know you're going
[3:09] to die, we've got some scratch shovels
[3:12] you can come out and save a few
[3:14] >> save a few bucks. We're willing to
[3:19] » So it's real You're good. No, no, you're
[3:21] good.
[3:22] >> It's real simple. Um it's we're going to
[3:25] see some ordinances tonight. We we've
[3:27] started over. It's real simple. I know
[3:29] people are, "Do you have a veteran
[3:30] thing? Do you have Not yet. It's in it's
[3:32] in the master plan. We have a veterans
[3:34] area. We have a memorial wall. We have,
[3:37] and I'm going to not know what it's
[3:38] called, but the little building you
[3:39] build for the ashes. Um, we'll get into
[3:43] lots on top of each other. All that
[3:44] stuff in the future, but right now, we
[3:46] just we're tired of talking about it,
[3:47] but let's just get simple and make
[3:49] something happen." that about five or
[3:51] six people have been literally been
[3:52] telling me they don't have much longer
[3:54] and I got they want to be married now
[3:56] alley. So I'm like I get it. So there's
[3:59] one lady said she's ready. As soon as I
[4:00] get her applause, she's going. She said
[4:02] she ain't holding on much longer. So
[4:04] Rabby Rabby helped me with that. We got
[4:06] it done. So
[4:08] um let's see.
[4:11] >> New million gallon tank. I get asked
[4:13] about that sometimes. The construction
[4:14] date now is set for August to break
[4:17] ground. Uh we should they should have
[4:19] another hiccup with PID funding, but we
[4:21] got it straightened out. We helped them
[4:23] get it straightened out. So they're
[4:24] supposed to get that funding in July and
[4:26] break around in August. See how that
[4:29] goes. Um Gooseberry Roads, I don't know
[4:33] if you're only for the Gooseberry
[4:34] residents. I think I got about 20 25 of
[4:37] the surveys back. It's pretty
[4:39] straightforward. Most people want it
[4:41] graded just after the rain and No. Yes,
[4:46] just after the rain. And nobody wants to
[4:48] pay to get the paid roads paid, which I
[4:50] knew that. I knew that's how it go. So,
[4:52] I I'll don't worry. I'll figure it out.
[4:54] We'll get those roads paid. It might
[4:55] take me a little longer than I
[4:57] originally planned, but I will get the
[4:59] funding hopefully. My goal is to still
[5:02] get something started by the end of the
[5:03] year.
[5:05] Uh right now, me, Chief Michelle, and
[5:07] the engineers are working on all new
[5:09] impact fees. part of the new impact
[5:11] visas. We're working on a new uh master
[5:16] transportation plan. Uh we're getting
[5:19] pretty close to being done with that.
[5:21] Once it's done, we'll make it available
[5:23] on the website where you guys can go and
[5:26] see potential roads and where stuff's
[5:29] going to go and um stuff like that. So,
[5:31] it's a 10-year plan. We have It's kind
[5:33] of hard to plan for 10 years. I mean,
[5:36] it's how do I know what's going to
[5:37] happen? But, we're doing our best. We
[5:38] got the crystal ball out. We're trying
[5:40] to figure that out. So,
[5:42] um I think that's it. Spirit rules.
[5:46] I think that's all I have. You guys got
[5:48] anything?
[5:50] >> Nope.
[5:51] >> Oh, I know. I One more thing. The Well,
[5:53] um I know I said it' be done today, but
[5:56] we random more hiccups. So, it's not
[5:58] quite done. Um I'll be out there all day
[6:00] tomorrow ensuring that it get we're
[6:02] missing a piece of equipment. we need to
[6:04] test to get the water depth to get a
[6:06] better reading because they're saying my
[6:08] computer's wrong and I'm saying there's
[6:10] no way our computer's wrong. So, we're
[6:13] disagreeing. So, we have to get a manual
[6:14] sounder. Uh, and we don't have one. We
[6:17] have a so sonar one. There's a better
[6:20] one. Usually, we have the cheaper thing.
[6:21] Now, we have the better thing and we
[6:23] need one of the old school ones. So, the
[6:24] conservancy is loaning us one and
[6:26] they're going to bring it up here
[6:27] tomorrow morning. So, I'll be working on
[6:29] that tomorrow. Hopefully, we have news
[6:31] or water flowing again tomorrow.
[6:33] Uh, you guys shouldn't be seeing maybe a
[6:36] little air in your lines. Other than
[6:37] that, you shouldn't notice anything.
[6:39] Okay, that was it. You guys didn't have
[6:41] anything.
[6:42] All right, at this time I'm going to
[6:44] open up to public comments. Three
[6:46] minutes each unless you're Rich Saski.
[6:49] He's not here. I won't time yet. Um, so
[6:52] we'll go into the parks and recreation
[6:54] survey and Oh, no. We're just going to
[6:55] do public comments and then I'll go into
[6:56] parking. Or do you want to do at the
[6:57] same time? Wait, he he called me and
[6:59] wanted me to speak for him cuz he said,
[7:01] "You're you're you're long- winded like
[7:03] me, Kevin."
[7:05] >> All at the same time.
[7:06] >> Okay. All at the same time. Okay. So,
[7:07] we're going to open up public comments
[7:09] and we'll do the park and wreck survey,
[7:11] which is a public comment. If you guys
[7:12] have any input on that before we go over
[7:15] all the results and everything.
[7:18] So, you're welcome to come up. Anybody
[7:20] online, you're welcome to speak.
[7:24] Buddy,
[7:27] >> I'd like to know what your what does the
[7:29] survey say? Can we comment on survey?
[7:32] >> We could do that.
[7:33] >> We can wait till after.
[7:34] >> Yeah, we can do that. I'll open it up.
[7:36] Yeah, but we'll do that. We'll go over
[7:37] the survey and I'll reopen the survey
[7:39] back up to public comment.
[7:41] >> That good? Okay, that's what we'll do.
[7:42] Any other public comments not regarding
[7:44] the survey?
[7:46] No. Okay, I'm going to close out the
[7:48] public comment session and we're going
[7:49] to roll right into the public hearing.
[7:51] I'm going to open up item number two,
[7:53] ordinance O-2026-14,
[7:55] repeal and replace title 14.13
[7:58] cemeteries. I'm not going to go into all
[8:00] the details right now. I'm just going to
[8:01] say that basically what we're doing is
[8:03] throwing out all the old ordinances they
[8:05] made 10 years ago and we're replacing
[8:06] them with simpler ordinance. So, if
[8:08] anybody has any comments or concerns on
[8:11] that, anybody online?
[8:14] No, nobody.
[8:16] All right, we're going to close out the
[8:18] public hearing for item number two,
[8:19] ordinance O-20226-14,
[8:22] repeal and replace title 14.13
[8:24] cemeteries. Rolling into item number
[8:26] three. I'm going to open up public
[8:27] hearing for resolution R-2026-20,
[8:30] water rate increase, amend title
[8:32] 01.20.010,
[8:35] residential of appendix A, schedule of
[8:37] water rates, fees, and charges.
[8:40] Any comments on that one? online
[8:45] get a good explanation for that later.
[8:47] Okay, I'm going to close item number
[8:49] three resol the public hearing on
[8:51] resolution R-2026-20
[8:52] water rate increase amend title
[8:54] 01.20.010
[8:56] residential appendix A schedule of water
[8:58] rates fees and charges. Last one roll on
[9:01] item number four, public hearing for
[9:03] resolution R-2026-18
[9:06] amending the town fee schedule relating
[9:08] to water rates, solid waste fees,
[9:09] boundary adjustments, master development
[9:11] agreements, water agreements, and other
[9:13] agreements requiring legal engineering
[9:14] or administrative review and
[9:16] establishing after the fact fees
[9:20] online here got comments.
[9:22] >> What does that mean?
[9:26] It means a whole lot of stuff and I'll
[9:28] go over later and I'll tell you what if
[9:29] you have any things you want to say
[9:31] about my open I'll take your question.
[9:34] Okay, we're going to close item number
[9:36] four resolution R-2026-18
[9:38] amending the town fee schedule relating
[9:40] to water rates solid waste fees boundary
[9:41] adjustment master development agreements
[9:43] water agreements and other agreements
[9:45] requiring legal engineering or
[9:47] administrative review and establishing
[9:48] after the fact fees. So we're going to
[9:51] roll right into discussion and action.
[9:52] We'll start right away with item number
[9:54] five, public, sorry, parks and
[9:57] recreation survey results. I'll go over
[9:59] the survey and then we'll open up some
[10:02] public comments again. So, in a
[10:04] nutshell, we had about 45 verified
[10:07] survey responses. Not a great turnout,
[10:10] but we'll take what we can get. Um, I'm
[10:12] not going to go through the whole
[10:13] survey. I'm going to hit you with some
[10:14] of the highest ranking uh priorities,
[10:17] which seems to be walking and biking
[10:18] trails,
[10:20] uh restrooms,
[10:22] shade trees, and landscaping,
[10:24] neighborhood parks, and community
[10:25] gathering event spaces.
[10:28] Residents uh want more walking, biking,
[10:31] multi-use trail system that provide safe
[10:33] recreation opportunities and connect
[10:34] different areas of the community. Cedar
[10:37] Point area was most frequently
[10:39] identified as needing some parks and
[10:41] recreation area because they don't have
[10:43] anything over there. Um most most report
[10:47] that they do not use the parks and
[10:48] recreation facility only occasionally or
[10:50] not at all in Apple Valley. Common
[10:52] reason was lack of recreation
[10:53] facilities, lack of nearby amenities,
[10:56] limited facilities in outline
[10:57] neighborhoods, lack of shade and
[10:59] restroom facilities which I'm not too
[11:01] sure.
[11:03] >> Well, we do hear that's it. Yeah, this
[11:05] here. But so the tier one priorities,
[11:08] uh, the top two are restrooms and biking
[11:10] trails or sorry, walking and biking
[11:13] trails and restrooms. Top two, the top
[11:16] tier two, something that come out with
[11:18] the pickle ball courts and community
[11:19] events and festival. So here's some of
[11:21] the ideas that we've been going around
[11:24] with.
[11:24] >> I know where we got a tenure parcel out
[11:26] there close by.
[11:27] >> I make hard work that out,
[11:30] >> but Michelle's got a better idea and
[11:32] she's gonna work wonders.
[11:34] her and chief have been very
[11:35] instrumental in all this and a huge
[11:37] help. I could not be doing this without
[11:39] him. I know I get the credit, but trust
[11:40] me, this is all Michelle and Chief. Um,
[11:43] so some of this we talk about is hiking,
[11:45] walking, bike trails. U Michelle's been
[11:48] really paying attention on how can we
[11:49] connect Cedar Point over to proper with
[11:52] hiking trails, biking trails, stuff of
[11:54] that nature. So, we'll kind of go over
[11:55] that. Um, I something that I kind of had
[11:59] an idea and I don't know if it'll people
[12:01] will like it or not. If you've ever been
[12:02] to some of these walking trails in other
[12:04] towns, they'll have outdoor workout
[12:06] facilities along the trail where you can
[12:07] stop and do pull-ups, push-ups, walk
[12:10] games, stuff like that. I don't know if
[12:11] there's interest there. Um, a big one
[12:14] that wasn't brought up too much, but I
[12:15] like, um, and if nobody else likes it,
[12:18] doesn't matter. I'll just get one vote
[12:19] like everybody else, but is a horse
[12:21] arena because we have so many horse
[12:22] people here. And I think when I'm
[12:25] dealing with developers, we seem to be
[12:27] trying to attract horse people. Um, so
[12:30] maybe a horse arena and I even went as
[12:32] far as we've been over to Gunlock Falls.
[12:33] Gunlock, um, they have a neat little
[12:35] rodeo facility there. It's not too big,
[12:37] it's not too small. Maybe we could get
[12:39] into something like that that the
[12:41] residents can use those facilities and
[12:42] then maybe once a year we have a little
[12:44] rodeo. Um, kind of bring some people in.
[12:47] >> So that's some ideas I had. Then we of
[12:49] course playgrounds, pickle ball courts,
[12:51] basketball courts. as we grow and we're
[12:55] looking more like skate parks, BMX
[12:56] tracks, soccer field, baseball fields,
[12:59] ponds with fishing, and then the petting
[13:01] zoo with the community garden that I
[13:02] eventually want to hook all in together.
[13:04] So, um, that's some of the stuff that's
[13:06] come back. So, let's do this. Let's open
[13:09] it back up. Let you guys say anything.
[13:10] If you have suggestions, you guys can
[13:12] everybody can jump in. I'm not We're not
[13:15] real official. Just jump up and
[13:17] >> stand up for this or am I good here?
[13:19] >> You're good right there. when you're
[13:20] doing the trails. My thoughts are I know
[13:22] there's at least some kids on the other
[13:23] side of the highway is if you have some
[13:25] access under the highway so kids and it
[13:27] might it would be beneficial for them
[13:29] even early on for the school depending
[13:31] on where you set it up. If they walked a
[13:32] road to the to get on the bus they come
[13:34] under the highway safe way to get in and
[13:37] out. Same with the bike trails you can
[13:39] do that so you can share what's on
[13:42] foot.
[13:44] You want to go to the front so you get a
[13:45] better recording?
[13:46] >> So I can get a better
[13:49] death. Just I'm just going to put
[13:51] resident just it just helps the
[13:53] >> It helps with the reporting.
[13:54] >> Yeah.
[13:55] >> You go ahead. You might go ahead.
[13:56] >> Oh, I was just
[14:00] back to
[14:01] >> anybody else. The Utah Trail was going
[14:04] to do up the highway. How's What's the
[14:07] timeline on that?
[14:08] >> I don't know much stuff. You know,
[14:09] >> I just got I saw something on Facebook
[14:12] about it.
[14:13] >> Yeah. I have
[14:15] >> something from here from Virgin out
[14:18] sheet bridge and up to the state line.
[14:22] >> Long has a long tie into that.
[14:25] >> Well, Michelle was kind of brainstorming
[14:26] with me.
[14:28] >> It's going to be a biking trail similar
[14:31] to what you see out on the other side of
[14:32] St. George where they've got the it's
[14:34] not going to be connected to the
[14:36] highway. It's going to be in the
[14:37] easement
[14:38] >> and it's like a paved
[14:39] >> but it's like a paved two-laneish.
[14:43] We kind of talked about that. We talked
[14:45] about where the pipeline is somehow a
[14:46] walking trail, but like Michelle said,
[14:48] most people don't want to bike or walk
[14:49] right by the highway. And I would be
[14:51] really scared of car losing control and
[14:53] hitting someone.
[14:54] >> Yeah,
[14:54] >> the odds are pretty slim like no, but we
[14:56] do have a problem with the highway. So,
[14:58] she was actually looking at trying to
[15:00] outline between town limits and
[15:03] wilderness property and chief actually
[15:05] jumped in and talked to BLM and and
[15:07] they're saying it might not be as hard
[15:08] as we had been told. I don't have a lot
[15:10] of experience with it. I just go off
[15:12] what I've been told by people from the
[15:13] past and they're this will never happen
[15:14] blah blah blah. But Chief's had pretty
[15:16] good luck so far. So we're kind of
[15:18] chugging along on those lines to where
[15:20] we can get
[15:20] >> horseback riding.
[15:21] >> Yeah. Something with horseback riding
[15:22] and hikers and stuff, bikers that can
[15:24] get from Cedar Point, bubbling wells
[15:27] coming along the edge of the hills, come
[15:28] over into here. We've even got a little
[15:30] piece of land we're looking at that
[15:31] maybe could be like a staging area where
[15:33] people could or horse trailers or
[15:35] whatever. Um I would like it to continue
[15:37] around the outskirts of town. We're
[15:39] trying to make it so you don't cross the
[15:41] highway. Horses should not be crossing
[15:42] the highway, but you have a good idea,
[15:44] Mike did, about, you know, some kind of
[15:45] underpass. I know there's a few of them
[15:48] along the highway. Believe this or not,
[15:50] uh you might not know this, but right
[15:51] there in the corner of Cedar Point where
[15:52] the tiny homes are, there's a little we
[15:55] put a little culbert there. It goes
[15:57] under the highway. If you dig down,
[15:58] there's a trail that goes under the
[16:00] highway right there that used to run
[16:01] cattle through. It just filled in
[16:03] completely. When we were digging the
[16:04] pipeline, we found it and they're like,
[16:05] "What do you want us to do? This thing's
[16:06] 15 ft deep." I was like, "Well, you're
[16:09] going to have to dig down and bury the
[16:10] pipe under. What do you want me to say?"
[16:11] But there's actual tunnels right there
[16:13] that go under the highway. They're just
[16:14] filled in. Um, so maybe that'd be
[16:16] something we could utilize. I don't
[16:18] know. I don't know what the rules are
[16:19] with stuff like that.
[16:23] » So, you can ride So, I feel a mountain
[16:25] bike. I'll ride down to like
[16:27] >> you can ride an hurricane from here
[16:29] almost completely on dirt except to get
[16:32] from out here to past Little Creek Mesa
[16:35] there. Yeah. Do the highway for like a
[16:36] half mile and every time I do it I feel
[16:38] like I'm gonna die.
[16:39] >> I mean otherwise you can go up and go
[16:41] down this fire road that
[16:44] >> you are taking your life in your hand.
[16:46] >> Yeah. So so through the trail to get
[16:48] from here to the edge of the gold road
[16:50] right there.
[16:50] >> Gold wash the side and then go under the
[16:52] highway. That'd be great.
[16:53] >> So gold wash road is going to be getting
[16:54] improved soon too. As a part of a
[16:56] culttooka they got to put in culberts
[16:58] widen the road put in new road bays make
[17:00] it nice. So
[17:01] >> that's a good idea. I know the same
[17:03] thing. When you're on the side by side
[17:04] you got to come out right there. very
[17:05] lodged to jump on the highway to the
[17:07] wash that section right there. So,
[17:10] >> no
[17:13] Steve
[17:15] >> I'd like
[17:18] go ahead.
[17:19] >> We got the wash system running through
[17:21] from the bottom down here goes into the
[17:25] underneath where you talking need to be
[17:27] fixed.
[17:28] >> While that process goes on, it's tall
[17:30] enough to run horses.
[17:32] >> Yeah. But we can take all the way up
[17:34] through this wash system, put check dams
[17:36] in there. If you want fishing ponds,
[17:38] then we got an access to do that. We
[17:41] want trees, you cottonwood can go down
[17:43] in that wash to help hold them things.
[17:46] >> So, it's a win-win situation.
[17:49] Put picnic tables around by the trees.
[17:52] There's a influx of cottonwood at my
[17:55] house. Need a home.
[17:59] state you'd like to donate the fish
[18:00] down,
[18:01] >> but that's something we could look at
[18:04] and then we can maintain this, slow this
[18:06] flow of water down, get it back in our
[18:08] aquafer. It's a win-win situation. We
[18:10] got a park system out of it, walking
[18:12] trails out of it, force trails out of
[18:13] it.
[18:14] >> The wash is really quite unique in the
[18:17] way it's designed and everything.
[18:18] >> The issue with the only issue with the
[18:19] wash is is everybody has to remember I
[18:21] know everybody thinks the town owns
[18:22] that. We do not have the private
[18:23] property that
[18:24] >> but now this portion
[18:25] >> for engineers or whatever
[18:26] >> this portion was owned by Travis home
[18:31] not anymore but obviously they want the
[18:34] new whoever is going to get this land is
[18:35] going to want to develop this. So we
[18:37] have some some pull there as far as
[18:39] getting some of this wide allocated to
[18:41] the town for that but that portion down
[18:43] there but it's kind of useless land and
[18:45] maybe people would want to uh I know
[18:47] people ride the horses down there and
[18:49] that's their business. I just don't ever
[18:51] want to think the town owns that. But
[18:52] yeah, we might be able to talk to those
[18:54] property owners because it's really even
[18:55] just give us a right of way to go. Not
[18:57] don't don't have to give us the land,
[18:58] just give us a right of way to get
[19:00] through.
[19:01] >> Right. You know, I was going to add to
[19:02] that. It's nonusable down there.
[19:04] Insurance region is in the flood zone.
[19:06] >> Yes.
[19:07] >> So, I don't want to say con it can be
[19:09] condemned, but it's nonusable. You
[19:11] cannot build a structure,
[19:13] >> a permanent structure. So if they're
[19:16] willing to give, it's just like we give
[19:19] to the center of the street for public
[19:20] access. Yeah. Right.
[19:22] >> All right. So now this wash was they can
[19:24] give 13 ft whatever and there we go
[19:27] through that. We can get it all sloped
[19:29] off so it's properly draining into it
[19:31] instead of flooding into it. Catch that
[19:34] water and get it back down in the
[19:35] aquifer all the way along that plant
[19:37] that cottonwoods in there. their water
[19:39] storage t
[19:41] their root system they'll maintain
[19:43] themsel
[19:45] if we ever get any rain but
[19:48] >> we will get the rain but we can look at
[19:51] all aspects of of
[19:53] then you got a walking trail all the way
[19:55] to the top you got a road and access
[19:57] where the cattle came through now horse
[19:59] can go through cross the other side now
[20:01] we got to figure a way to get them back
[20:03] on the other side point or they split
[20:06] off there and go up and take care of
[20:08] that uh the do.
[20:11] >> Yeah.
[20:13] >> On the edge of the BLM.
[20:15] >> Do that. You got a deal there. Then it
[20:17] gets out gets you access to all that
[20:19] rock country.
[20:21] >> We got trails back up around this and go
[20:23] up into the canyons or whatever. It's
[20:25] still private through there, but then
[20:26] you get into the BLM down in there, too.
[20:30] >> Good. Before Before we go, I feel like I
[20:33] might have some dirt bike riders back
[20:34] here possibly. Uh, don't worry if this
[20:37] is a concern with you guys. Everything I
[20:39] do with the developments is has to have
[20:42] plenty of open roads to connect to the
[20:44] BLM land. I'm not going to block you
[20:46] guys off. I I don't I'm too old to ride
[20:47] dirt bikes, but I'm an off-roader. Um,
[20:49] everything we do, we're trying to keep
[20:50] roads and access to the BLM land. So,
[20:52] we're never having to go through
[20:54] someone's private development. We're
[20:55] working around them, making them, in
[20:57] fact, go a cult out there on Gold Wash
[20:59] Road. We actually making them make a
[21:01] specific trail that goes from Gold Bash
[21:03] on the side of their development to
[21:05] access the BLM to go up that hill up
[21:06] towards the towers. So, we're not going
[21:08] to close it off when we're developing
[21:09] that.
[21:09] >> Good.
[21:11] >> Okay.
[21:12] >> Kathy Stoker
[21:14] and I'm a horseback rider
[21:16] >> and I've been here about six years. Been
[21:18] shown some of these trails that go here,
[21:22] there, and everywhere. And lately, we've
[21:24] been blocked off from access to some of
[21:28] these. Uh, and I I'd put up a gate if
[21:32] they'd let us have uh access to say,
[21:35] "Okay, we we know we don't want the cows
[21:38] here, there, and everywhere,
[21:39] >> you know." Uh but to instead of having
[21:42] Fort Knox to have a gate that we have to
[21:45] try to get through, uh I'd put up a gate
[21:49] if they just give us the rightway to
[21:52] continue access to that. I don't, you
[21:54] know, I don't think it's that big of a
[21:56] deal, but
[21:57] >> some residents can or some can be very
[21:59] cooperative and some be like,
[22:02] >> don't even come near me, don't come to
[22:04] my nothing. So, it just depends on the
[22:06] property owners. Um, we don't close
[22:09] anything up. Honestly, the town hardly
[22:10] owns anything. The town does not own I
[22:12] know a lot of people think, "Oh, it's
[22:13] town property." The town hardly I mean,
[22:14] we own this right here and we own over
[22:16] there at the mailboxes.
[22:18] >> That's about it.
[22:19] We own the wells and
[22:20] the tank right there. Just that little
[22:21] area. Towns own a lot of property.
[22:24] Unfortunately, we do not. But
[22:25] >> Well, and I know you own the pond that's
[22:27] over there at the end of Zion Drive that
[22:31] they where
[22:32] >> Yeah. For the wealth.
[22:34] >> Yeah. There's a 3acre thing there for
[22:37] that. But anyway, yeah, I just we just
[22:40] uh want to have access to we can keep
[22:43] riding from our house. We go and we hit
[22:46] the the trail up there by the water
[22:48] tower. There's a nice trail up around
[22:50] there. And to go down, I know we're on
[22:52] people's properties, but the road's
[22:54] there and it's been there forever that
[22:56] if somebody thinks, you know, that
[22:58] should be cut off, there's, you know,
[23:00] hey, we've been doing this for a long
[23:02] time. Do they have the right to say,
[23:04] "Nope, we don't want you there anymore."
[23:06] But so far so good.
[23:07] >> Clue here. Maybe you guys all know this.
[23:09] is what I was taught. If there's a
[23:11] no trespassing sign, you don't go in. If
[23:12] there's a lock gate, obviously you don't
[23:14] go in. Or if there's a some a sign or a
[23:16] tree painted orange.
[23:17] >> If it's not there, you go in, you shut
[23:21] the gate, and you're and you're allowed
[23:22] to go through there. People don't care.
[23:23] And that's kind of the rule I practice.
[23:25] I don't I don't horseback ride anymore,
[23:27] but I I offroad my Can-Am and my
[23:30] Expeditions.
[23:31] >> Yeah. And that's the rule we live by.
[23:33] And we've never I've never had a problem
[23:34] nobody yell at me. But I do know if you
[23:36] they're paint orange. Use that purple. I
[23:39] didn't know purple.
[23:40] >> There's some property around this area
[23:42] proper that we have to actually to get
[23:44] to BLM land. We have to go through.
[23:47] >> Yeah.
[23:48] >> I guess that's the point is
[23:50] >> now what we can do is as they develop
[23:52] this land, like I said, I can make sure
[23:53] we have access through there that they
[23:55] don't close us off. But until they
[23:57] develop, if they just own the property,
[23:59] I can't there. I have no power to say
[24:01] you have to let people go in there. It's
[24:02] just if they want to let you, they can.
[24:04] But when they sign up for when they come
[24:06] to us and say, "Hey, we want to develop
[24:07] property. We want to put this in. We
[24:08] want to put a house in." Then I can say,
[24:10] "Okay, but this is what you're going to
[24:12] do."
[24:13] >> Is it just a couple of parcels?
[24:15] >> There's places that have been open and
[24:16] then they got closed, you know,
[24:19] >> Fort Knox fences.
[24:22] >> So the land sell there's a new owner
[24:25] there now.
[24:25] >> Yeah. And it's public road to public
[24:28] road. It's just sometimes people really
[24:29] want to deter you to go through it. It
[24:32] makes it really hard. They have, you
[24:34] know, lots of stuff
[24:35] >> and even though you're actually on a
[24:37] rideway, a public rideway, and that's
[24:40] kind of what we're just trying to make
[24:41] sure our public rideways stay open and
[24:43] have access to get that via live land
[24:45] kind of like what a cultura is doing
[24:47] around here.
[24:48] >> Yeah,
[24:49] >> because a lot of us have horses around
[24:51] here.
[24:53] >> We could get our little caucus going.
[24:57] Maybe we can look at that specifically
[24:58] and try to come up with some plan to
[25:01] >> unfortunately takes one two two gates.
[25:04] And if we could,
[25:06] >> you know, if they would say, okay, as
[25:07] long as you keep those cows out of
[25:09] >> and on the back of the well subdivision
[25:12] would be really nice if we could just
[25:13] have a gate that has access to outside
[25:18] that into that subdivision.
[25:21] >> We could show you.
[25:22] >> So, yeah. So,
[25:24] >> thank you.
[25:25] Let me explain a little something about
[25:27] that. Unfortunately, when the well
[25:29] subdivision went in, it was not handled
[25:30] properly. Um, we had an emergency exit
[25:34] there. There is an easement there.
[25:36] Unfortunately, as most easements are
[25:38] supposed to be done, granted to the town
[25:40] and the town owned that the
[25:43] administration did not make the wells
[25:44] dedicate that to the town. So, they
[25:47] actually own that easement right away.
[25:50] So, I can't make them say, "Oh, that's
[25:52] the town emergency exit. we can have
[25:54] people going through on horseback. So,
[25:56] yeah. So, we'll we'll look at it and see
[25:58] what we can come up with. Um, but I'm
[26:00] very in tune to that. I mean, I want
[26:02] this to be a horse town. That's what
[26:03] people a lot, you know, seems like
[26:05] you're either an off-roader or a horse
[26:06] rider. The people that move here, um,
[26:08] it's two of the big things. Bikers,
[26:10] hikers, you know, I get all that stuff,
[26:11] too. But, um, I'm very in tune, even
[26:14] though I don't ride anymore. I'm very in
[26:15] tune with that. I do want to keep as
[26:17] much trails and open space as we
[26:19] possibly can. So, um, I'll look at that.
[26:23] Maybe I'll get with you later and you
[26:25] can tell me where some of these gates
[26:26] are too and I can call property owners
[26:28] and just ask nicely. That's about all I
[26:31] clout I have with them.
[26:32] >> Maybe we can too, but I don't know.
[26:33] >> Is that mainly because they're running
[26:35] cattle in there and you're worried about
[26:36] the cattle getting
[26:37] >> I think that's what it is
[26:39] a fence.
[26:40] >> I know what
[26:41] >> fences that you'd have to have a hold.
[26:45] >> Is there Is there any way to run a new
[26:47] fence line down or opening that ement up
[26:49] where the cattle can't get out? Uh, we
[26:51] just need to put the gates in. They
[26:53] they'll just let me I'll put the gates
[26:54] in. I'll put the gates in. Just
[26:56] >> I'll have the guys put it in if they'll
[26:58] let us. But the issue I know with I do
[27:00] know a couple of the cattle people that
[27:02] run cow the people that run cattle here
[27:03] are usually not the property owners.
[27:05] They are contracting or leasing the
[27:06] property. And I do know two of them that
[27:09] had really bad issues with gates being
[27:11] left open. I'm not saying it was you
[27:13] guys obviously. It's none of us.
[27:15] >> One bad person. and then that and their
[27:16] cows got out and what one of them there
[27:18] was even a cow that was hit on the
[27:20] highway and it did $1,000 damage for the
[27:26] car and the cow. Um so yeah, and they
[27:30] said, "Okay, we're just going to fence
[27:31] these gates off because people be open
[27:33] and so yeah, I can I can get with you
[27:36] and see which gates you're talking about
[27:37] and see what I can do to help." I I can
[27:38] try. I can't make no promise, but I I
[27:40] can try.
[27:41] >> Yeah. And if if they'll let us, I'll
[27:43] send the guys out to put up a gate for
[27:45] you. No problem.
[27:46] >> I get involved in
[27:50] the
[27:51] >> I heard you
[27:55] probably
[27:56] >> How's that?
[27:57] >> I know the water truck's not ours. Who
[27:59] does it belong to?
[28:00] >> The water truck.
[28:01] >> The pump track over there.
[28:03] >> No, the pump track.
[28:04] >> Where else?
[28:04] >> Over by Cedar Point where they ride all
[28:06] their motorbikes and stuff.
[28:07] >> BLM land.
[28:08] >> Oh, the track. I'm sorry. You said
[28:09] track. I used to say Oh, yeah. That's
[28:11] BLM. That doesn't do all
[28:14] >> everything north of that.
[28:15] >> Yeah. No, they can. I mean, everybody
[28:17] goes there. I know Mike done some work.
[28:19] I know some people work on that and and
[28:21] >> yeah, that's that's all BLM land. Even
[28:24] that road that is considered a town road
[28:27] is not our road. It's privately owned at
[28:29] BLM,
[28:30] >> but it has been there seven years, so it
[28:33] becomes a prescriptive easement.
[28:34] >> So, we're working on some of those. So,
[28:36] >> that road's been there a long time.
[28:37] >> Yeah, we're working on some of those,
[28:39] too. Yep. What else? Anybody else? Hey,
[28:42] Linda.
[28:43] >> Okay, Linda.
[28:46] So, I know that it looks like we're
[28:48] looking at the bigger picture of the
[28:51] hiking trails, the bikes, that kind of
[28:53] thing, but what about things that are
[28:56] smaller? So, I got told a couple people
[29:00] about where I work. They put a mile long
[29:04] track in around their property.
[29:07] Super beautiful.
[29:09] It's all done with um the sand thing so
[29:12] it can't hurt anybody and anybody could
[29:15] go on it. Somebody with a baby stroller,
[29:17] somebody with a wheelchair,
[29:20] somebody that just wants to walk. I
[29:22] don't know what it would run, but that's
[29:24] a smaller idea of just a walking area
[29:29] for the older and young people. Okay.
[29:33] >> The other thing is
[29:34] >> neighborhood.
[29:35] >> The neighborhood. And then the other
[29:37] thing is the skateboard part that and I know that that could bring a lot of
[29:43] people to get hurt maybe and need
[29:46] insurance and all that but to me
[29:49] something that small and it doesn't have
[29:51] to be gigantic. I mean, these skate
[29:54] parks started in swimming pools.
[29:57] >> Yep.
[29:58] >> And they can be bigger than that. But
[30:01] again, that's giving some of these kids
[30:04] >> absolutely
[30:05] >> something to do.
[30:06] >> And that's what I'm worried about is
[30:08] these kids.
[30:09] >> Some are able to find their own
[30:12] enjoyment.
[30:13] >> Yep.
[30:14] >> But there's other ones that have nothing
[30:15] to do, so they find things they
[30:17] shouldn't find.
[30:18] >> Do do any of them like pulling weeds?
[30:20] Just send them over.
[30:23] No, I did all that. So, I gave it. So,
[30:25] let me kind of tell you guys the vision
[30:27] that I have unless public input kind of
[30:29] changes that.
[30:30] >> So, the vision I have is we're going to
[30:32] continue with this park here and we're
[30:34] going to add on to it. I had already
[30:36] started working out a deal with the
[30:37] developer that did own the land. He
[30:39] doesn't own it anymore. So, I'll have to
[30:40] start new talks with the new owner comes
[30:42] in once it develops because it's going
[30:44] to happen. I I told you guys once the
[30:45] zone change is done. I can't stop. They
[30:48] previous administrations approved that.
[30:50] Nothing I can do. We can slow it down.
[30:51] We can do it, right? A lot of stuff we
[30:52] can do, but I can't stop it. So, it's
[30:54] going to still get developed even though
[30:55] they don't own. So, when that time
[30:57] comes, I'm going to get them to donate.
[31:00] One of the people looking to buy it was
[31:01] offering like 100 acres. They were like,
[31:02] "Whatever you want." So, we're going to
[31:04] get more land right here. And my vision
[31:06] was a nice park with a big couple big
[31:10] ponds with some fishing fishing guys,
[31:12] you know. um and naturally bed into
[31:15] that, feeding it in, tying that in with
[31:17] the community garden, a property north
[31:19] of the cemetery for animals with a
[31:21] petting zoo. They can start raising
[31:22] animals, chickens, cows, all that good
[31:24] stuff. And have a lot of parks there
[31:25] with walking trail all the way around
[31:28] the whole park, across the pond, the
[31:29] bridge, and something along those lines.
[31:32] Pickle ball courts, just stuff to do all
[31:34] right here in Cedar Point. I know Cedar
[31:37] Point gets left out of this. Uh we are
[31:39] working Michelle's actually we just kind
[31:40] of started working on getting some BLM
[31:42] land over there possibly near the fire
[31:44] station. Nothing written in stone. We're
[31:46] trying where we'll build a secondary
[31:47] small park over there with some hiking
[31:49] trails that will come over this way and
[31:51] connect everything together. Um my other
[31:54] vision was the out along the highway is
[31:56] going to be the commercial area. That's
[31:58] the way it's going. So from Chevron on
[31:59] both sides of the highway over towards
[32:01] Gooseberry Lodges, you're going to have
[32:02] commercial in there. And with the last
[32:05] developer I had talked about a walking
[32:07] street that's closed to driving and
[32:09] you'll have a great big parking lot
[32:11] where people not not high ground when
[32:14] I'm going high people can park there
[32:17] >> and yeah and walk down the walking
[32:20] street and you'll have little
[32:21] restaurants and stuff to do with no
[32:23] traffic so you can say please we got
[32:25] tourists that's what we have we don't
[32:26] have a mine we don't have factories we
[32:28] have touris that's what's going to be
[32:29] out we get tourists like it or not
[32:31] that's what's going to happen we got
[32:32] Zion 20 minutes way. That's what's going
[32:35] to happen to Apple Valley. It's going to
[32:36] be towards So, um, that walking street
[32:39] would then connect over, start over here
[32:41] at the commercial area with a parking
[32:42] lot, connect over and end up over here
[32:45] into the park, the community garden, the
[32:47] petting zoo. If you've noticed on my
[32:49] town plan, that's a really big parking
[32:51] lot right there by the cemetery and the
[32:53] town garden. So, that was a thought. You
[32:54] could come and park on either end and do
[32:56] a shopping trail out here over to there.
[32:59] So
[33:00] >> they had 450 million people visit
[33:06] >> phenomenal amount
[33:10] >> 450
[33:11] >> second most visited park in the nation
[33:13] >> in the nation.
[33:14] >> So yeah it's coming. I mean it's it's I can't stop it guys. I mean I can stop
[33:18] any we I shouldn't say I. We can stop
[33:21] anyone new grow any zone changes. That's
[33:24] your power zone changes. If they all the
[33:26] stuff that was approved though it's
[33:27] gone. So, I just wanted to tell you guys
[33:28] that that cuz that's where the the park
[33:30] situation is going. A huge massive park
[33:32] here with the sky's is the limit. Um,
[33:35] it's all based on the impact that we're
[33:36] working on. And then a secondary park
[33:38] over there in Cedar and that's as far as
[33:39] we've gotten. Jeepson Canyon and their
[33:41] development agreement they have, but
[33:42] they have to put a park in. I think it's
[33:44] two acres.
[33:45] >> Whatever they build over here will just
[33:46] be part of this. So,
[33:49] that's kind of going to get tied into
[33:50] the park. So, I just brought that up.
[33:52] You brought up the walking trail and
[33:53] that was my vision. have, you know, a
[33:55] huge, like you said, a mile long parking
[33:56] trail that goes, I envision trees and
[33:59] some grass and some ponds and just a
[34:01] beautiful area.
[34:02] >> And they did it all in rock so much. I
[34:04] mean, they have trees,
[34:06] >> but it's done. The ground is rock.
[34:08] There's no grass, so it's not picky.
[34:10] They do have
[34:12] >> two waterfalls
[34:13] >> and a little stream that's no bigger
[34:15] from you to me
[34:18] >> that at least you can have a bench and
[34:20] sit there and listen to the sound of
[34:22] water. Mhm.
[34:23] >> Um I'm sure it cost I don't think it's
[34:27] cheap, but it's got to be cheaper than
[34:30] >> Yeah.
[34:31] >> doing these big
[34:32] >> Yeah. It's kind of a twofold. When we
[34:34] talk talk parks and wreck, we will have
[34:36] actual parks and that kind of gets into
[34:37] pickle ball courts and basketball courts
[34:39] and all that, but then there's the
[34:40] hiking trails and the biking. It's all
[34:42] rolled into one. So, yes, we do have
[34:45] plans for I know you guys saw we kind of
[34:47] in the talented may a lot of people
[34:48] drove about a pool. We can't do a pool.
[34:51] Too much liability, too much
[34:52] maintenance. I looked into it for you
[34:54] guys and nobody's going to go for the
[34:56] liability and the maintenance is
[34:57] outrageous for because there's you have
[34:59] to go through the health department when
[35:00] it's a town pool. Like my I don't have
[35:02] to do that, but a town pool. So, I doubt
[35:04] that happen, but maybe a splash pad.
[35:07] This development here, the few people
[35:08] that are looking into buying it now that
[35:10] it's under different ownership are
[35:12] looking into more a
[35:15] not the higher end staying like a
[35:16] cultteroka with $7 million homes like
[35:19] they're envisioning. They're envisioning
[35:20] affordable oneacre lots that are going
[35:23] to sell for a couple hundred,000 more
[35:25] geared to people like uh the they're
[35:28] going to need a culture ro I think he
[35:29] told me and I think could be created 250
[35:31] positions they're going to have over
[35:32] there when it's all said and done. So
[35:34] he's got to have somewhere for these
[35:36] people to live. So that's kind of the
[35:37] thought with this over here is 1acre
[35:39] lots are a little more affordable. Um
[35:41] and those will bring in more families
[35:43] thus more need for parks and stuff like
[35:45] that. Uh we have a BMX bike track type
[35:48] deal something on our list this skate
[35:50] park of course like we talked about the
[35:53] hiking trails the motorcycles all that
[35:54] stuff. So
[35:55] >> well and I know on trees some take a
[35:58] long time to grow but Richard will cut
[36:00] you cottonwoods I've got 11 of them in
[36:03] my at my house. The only thing is the
[36:06] leaves when they drop and the snowfall
[36:09] >> but it's not a big deal. It's It's sort
[36:11] of nice, you know. It doesn't get into
[36:13] stuff.
[36:15] >> I can see this coming.
[36:18] >> We got a home for the leaves, Kevin.
[36:21] >> We do. We will be over to collect those
[36:23] for the community garden. Although
[36:25] you're a part of that. You spag them up
[36:27] and get them down.
[36:29] >> So, my vision goes around the community
[36:30] garden with the park and incorporating
[36:33] the fish, the ponds, of what a river. I
[36:36] haven't worked too much with them yet,
[36:38] but that's my goal. And then the the
[36:40] petting zoo. These are going to be
[36:42] animals, I'm guessing, for the garden
[36:44] that are going to be butchered and
[36:45] consumed. But the kids don't need to
[36:46] know that. We could just tell them it's
[36:47] a petting zoo. And you know, they're
[36:49] going to go pet the cows and the
[36:51] chickens. No elephants.
[36:52] >> Yeah. Cows, chickens, goats, you know,
[36:55] something like that. Just somewhere for
[36:56] the
[36:58] >> Yep.
[36:59] >> Something I'm preaching in the corner
[37:00] about the whole thing. So, we open that
[37:02] fishing store. Of course, I'm biased,
[37:04] but um I'm amazed at how many kids come
[37:06] into our store and they're just addicted
[37:08] to fishing and it's probably keeping
[37:10] them out of trouble and they're and
[37:12] they're sneaking in the ponds in
[37:13] Pokerville and on golf courses and
[37:14] everything. I think that could happen
[37:15] here.
[37:16] >> Um and and and even like I'm amazed that
[37:19] even just older people that can't get up
[37:20] to the higher elevation mountains and
[37:22] they're they're going to like held out
[37:23] pond or fishing there. So I think if you
[37:26] guys do that I think we might even be
[37:27] one to help build a accessible dock for
[37:30] people with mobility issues that fish
[37:32] off the dock.
[37:32] >> So Bradley's vision some Bradley his
[37:34] vision is to somehow we get all this
[37:36] land over here and we dam it up and this
[37:38] is a giant lake.
[37:40] >> Yeah.
[37:40] >> It's going to bring in tourists. Uh
[37:41] nobody can build houses there. We're
[37:43] going to have a water supply go in the
[37:45] offer. I just don't know how to execute.
[37:46] It's a great idea, but I would love to
[37:48] have some kind of recreation type ponds.
[37:50] I mean the ones I'm talking about in the
[37:51] park are smaller level but we've been
[37:53] looking different spot because it is
[37:55] good for the aquafer and you can use it
[37:58] as a reservoir but now you got to bring
[37:59] in treatment and that's very expensive.
[38:01] So, I'm not saying that's not down the
[38:02] road. That's definitely coming with
[38:03] growth, but we would love to do
[38:05] something like that and Bradley been
[38:07] trying to obviously the developers
[38:09] aren't into it because there's no money
[38:10] in that for them. Um, but
[38:12] >> Well, also my birds up the valley here.
[38:16] >> It is. No, no, for sure. I
[38:19] >> We can excavate out that three acre side
[38:21] of the hill.
[38:24] >> I donate my 10 acres, but Bradley's got
[38:26] this vision of on the side of the
[38:27] highway. I mean, Brad's got like this
[38:29] 400 acre lake vision, you know, like
[38:32] >> you know what that's going to help
[38:34] create here? Going to put the humidity
[38:36] in the atmosphere, right? It's going to
[38:38] rain.
[38:40] >> It's all great. I just can't figure out
[38:42] how to do it.
[38:43] >> You got to just get it put together. How
[38:45] to how to get this to fit.
[38:47] >> Bradley always has great ideas. He just
[38:49] doesn't tell me how to execute them.
[38:50] That's
[38:52] >> Bradley. We'll give you We'll give you
[38:54] >> I'm trying. I'm trying. I'm trying. So,
[38:56] that's something dumping one of your one
[38:58] of my best customers, your nephew. You
[39:01] aren't
[39:02] >> Yep. No, he loves it. I mean, I don't
[39:03] know where this came from. We never He's
[39:05] never fished in his life and all of a
[39:06] sudden got into fishing and I went
[39:07] fishing. Yes, sir.
[39:08] >> I was just going to say I like all the
[39:10] ideas, but we should definitely hone in
[39:11] on the sports section for all the
[39:13] younger people.
[39:13] >> Yes.
[39:14] >> I know probably everyone else doesn't
[39:16] care much about pickle ball and
[39:18] volleyball and stuff, but yeah, that'd
[39:20] be great.
[39:21] >> What kind of stuff you guys like to see?
[39:22] I I have Yeah, the pickle ball for the
[39:25] elderly people. I don't think young
[39:26] people in it too much. Of course, the
[39:28] playgrounds for little kids. I have
[39:29] basketball courts, baseball fields,
[39:30] soccer. Um, just I want to get a big
[39:33] grassy area with some soccer goals. I
[39:34] mean, from there, you don't have to play
[39:36] soccer. You can do pretty much. I know
[39:37] it seems to be real big over Hill, but
[39:39] Frisbee golf. I always thought that was
[39:41] kind of a It's kind of funny to see
[39:43] these guys, these I'm going to use some
[39:45] terminology, some redneck type guys in
[39:47] their boots out there playing. It
[39:48] cracked me up every time I see it. They
[39:49] just don't look like Obviously, you guys
[39:51] know I'm from California and you got
[39:52] these Yepies out there playing Frisbee
[39:54] golf. That's what I'm seeing. these guys
[39:55] out there with their mullets and their
[39:57] boots and out. It just cracks me up
[39:58] every time. It doesn't look like these
[39:59] people playing frisbee golf, but it's
[40:00] been a big hit over there. G
[40:02] >> I just wanted to pipe in that young s
[40:04] there. He walked the door said he's here
[40:06] to put on pickle ball court. So
[40:08] >> it isn't the only
[40:08] >> It isn't. Okay. I don't know about
[40:10] pickle. I I have a pickle ball court in
[40:12] my house, but I don't play. The kids
[40:14] play.
[40:15] >> My 19-year-old goes and plays pickle
[40:16] ball every Friday morning.
[40:20] >> No, I'm into I'm into the the sports. I
[40:22] definitely
[40:23] >> want to do all that. That's what I first
[40:24] started thinking park. That's what it
[40:26] was going to be. But then we got into
[40:28] and all that. So,
[40:29] >> well, they want to talk about extreme
[40:31] sports. Let's put arena over there and
[40:33] some bucking shoots and I'll help you
[40:35] guys bully.
[40:36] >> I'm into that. I really am. I really
[40:39] >> mean,
[40:40] >> what are you doing telling everybody
[40:41] those are my kids? I'm gonna have
[40:43] problems.
[40:48] » I think we'll have problems because
[40:49] we're your kids.
[40:51] >> Exactly. That's probably true, too. No,
[40:54] we definitely need
[40:55] >> the problem is is a lot of retired
[40:57] people here and and the small amount of
[40:59] kids we have do get neglected, but
[41:00] that's not staying that way. I mean,
[41:02] like I said, this guy started putting a
[41:03] lot 250 employees over here. Old people
[41:06] like me that are retired don't work over
[41:08] here at the Oktooka Lodge. So, these are
[41:11] going to be younger people or families
[41:13] and kids and parks and all this is going
[41:15] to come into play. So, a lot of kids.
[41:18] >> Yeah, we we do get a few kids over here,
[41:19] but um there's a lot of stuff that I
[41:22] feel that we've neglected and did just
[41:23] now.
[41:23] >> Are you also going to switch out like
[41:25] the playground stuff? It's kind of
[41:27] nearly impossible to have kids.
[41:29] >> We are probably going to do that a
[41:30] little more sooner than later. I have a
[41:32] little bit of money right now in the
[41:33] park impact funds and I do want to
[41:35] replace all that. That's all homemade
[41:36] stuff and just stuff we have laying
[41:38] around. And uh I think for the money I
[41:40] have I have a personal park at my house
[41:42] and we get commercial grade stuff. So I
[41:45] know and I'm kind of like that's like
[41:46] perfect. My grand
[41:48] >> I've been looking through the catalog
[41:49] that I've got.
[41:52] >> Yeah.
[41:52] No, I agree 100%. It's been on my
[41:54] list. I was kind of waiting till we did
[41:56] this, but it can't wait until all this
[41:58] happened. But I want to do something
[42:00] that we need something better for.
[42:01] Absolutely. Yep.
[42:03] >> Yep. Put it on my list. I think the
[42:05] first thing we're get.
[42:08] >> Yep.
[42:10] >> New tables.
[42:11] >> That's approved right now. You can get I
[42:13] get them steel ones I have in my house.
[42:16] >> But what's out there? We've been
[42:17] repairing for a long time.
[42:18] >> We can That's approved. We We have that
[42:20] in the
[42:20] >> We're going to donate those to the
[42:22] community garden.
[42:32] » So, I probably missed the start of this.
[42:34] Um, I'm so sorry. I just got back from
[42:37] work.
[42:38] >> Are we just like brainstorming right now
[42:40] what we would like to see and not really
[42:43] talking about scalability at this point?
[42:45] >> Kind of sort of. So, what this is
[42:47] leading into is we are creating an
[42:49] impact fee study and they're about I
[42:53] don't know $50,000 to perform. We got a
[42:56] grant and part honestly I'm be honest
[42:58] with you part of the grant is we have to
[43:00] do a public hearing for the grant. So
[43:02] that's part of this is we're doing that.
[43:03] But no, we for me anything that
[43:06] anybody's saying we pretty much kind of
[43:08] thought of because I talked to everybody
[43:09] and I know and we're in motion. So I've
[43:11] been writing everything down. But pretty
[43:13] much everything that people have slowly
[43:15] been bringing up I've had. We're making
[43:17] plans. It's a 10-year plan. So we have
[43:19] to plan out 10 years. So if you're
[43:21] thinking like massive projects when
[43:23] there's, you know, 10,000 residents here
[43:26] someday, we're not going that far. We're
[43:27] trying to do like a 10 year. But we also
[43:29] want to make it happen soon because if
[43:32] we do all this planning and just just
[43:34] say in three years somebody else becomes
[43:37] mayor and couple of these guys don't get
[43:39] reelected, they could come and take this
[43:40] and reerase everything we've done and
[43:42] start over. That's a problem with
[43:44] government. Um so we're into getting it
[43:45] done as quickly as possible. The smaller
[43:47] stuff, but this will be the impact fees
[43:49] set for new residents that come to build
[43:52] like these ro and these development how
[43:54] much they'll be paying to go towards all
[43:55] this and then we'll use that money for
[43:57] the stuff we say. So that's kind of
[43:59] where we're at. Some of this stuff like
[44:00] the walking trail that's depending on
[44:01] BLM, even wilderness, we're looking at
[44:04] some area in wilderness. So, um, we're
[44:06] kind of limited to that. I'm not an
[44:08] imminent domain guy. I just don't
[44:10] believe in it. Um, I won't say we
[44:12] wouldn't ever do that if we absolutely
[44:14] have to for the benefit of the town, but
[44:16] that would be something that would be
[44:18] very critical. I'm not into just
[44:20] imminent domain, so no offense to you,
[44:22] but so we can ride a horse to someone's
[44:23] property.
[44:23] >> Just so you know, we have I'm not doing
[44:25] it. We have never done that.
[44:26] >> I don't like that. So if I have to if I
[44:29] got a road that got has to go through
[44:30] for the benefit of the town. Okay. But
[44:33] >> right just around the corner.
[44:36] We should get an easement through to the
[44:37] other side of the
[44:39] >> There's a a fire hydrant in the
[44:41] backyard, but I just freeze a cooler
[44:43] that's not actually in operation.
[44:47] >> I didn't know there was a decoration
[44:50] fire hydrant. But anyway, um so a couple
[44:52] ideas. Um I don't know if it's been
[44:54] brought up yet, but it would be really
[44:56] good if there was a biking walking
[44:58] access to the very Mesa. Has that been
[45:01] brought up yet? Yes, ma'am. Okay,
[45:02] perfect. And then um I know there's a
[45:05] lot of challenges with those shooting
[45:06] range, especially when it comes to noise
[45:08] in this area. What about an archery
[45:11] range? Um which would come with no
[45:13] noise. Um it wouldn't necessarily be as
[45:16] large of a range itself. Um and then
[45:19] could kind of like foster those same
[45:21] skills especially our youth um that we
[45:24] would like for
[45:25] >> both. I actually
[45:30] go over good
[45:31] >> I actually would like to do both. We
[45:33] I've talked about a little bit. We
[45:35] probably have neglected it in this but
[45:36] it is part of the parks and w so we
[45:38] probably need to put that in here. But
[45:39] I'm even we have 35,000 square acres. We
[45:42] should be able to put a shooting range
[45:44] in somewhere here that's not on people's
[45:47] private property. You just have to be
[45:50] 600 feet. Yeah, we should be able to put
[45:51] something in because we have a big area.
[45:53] So, uh, let me add that to the list.
[45:55] Both and the archery
[45:56] >> and maybe the archery range is more
[45:58] appropriate for like this area.
[46:00] >> Yeah. Yeah. Something here. And then
[46:02] shooting range be somewhere else. Yeah.
[46:03] >> Yeah.
[46:04] >> Do something like both that with that
[46:06] archery deal. Do 3D archery deal. All
[46:09] these bow hunters around here. We got
[46:11] plenty of blush giving them their shot
[46:13] they want to
[46:14] >> make a lot of money on. We used to make
[46:18] >> I've never done hunting but yeah that's
[46:20] something we do like you said we can do
[46:21] that here in tied into the park but I do
[46:23] want to look into Steuart's always on
[46:25] me. He's not here tonight but he's
[46:26] always on me about a shooting. We've
[46:28] been talking about it right now. Most
[46:30] people will wind up breaking the wind up
[46:32] on someone's private property and they
[46:33] don't even know they're on private
[46:34] property. I know some people go out to
[46:36] the Stender Pit but it nobody is
[46:38] purposely breaking the law. That's just
[46:40] there's nowhere to go shoes. So,
[46:41] everybody kind of just picks and
[46:42] chooses. So, yeah.
[46:44] >> Well, we used to go to the cinder pit
[46:45] all the time, but that got closed off.
[46:48] All my kids I raised all my kids
[46:52] up and shoot
[46:55] >> it all.
[46:56] >> Oh, that one don't own that anymore.
[46:58] >> No, I know that
[47:01] >> over the thunder hill told me he goes
[47:03] over there and shoot. I've never been
[47:05] over there.
[47:05] >> But that we used to go up there.
[47:09] >> Interesting. Yeah,
[47:10] >> big circle.
[47:13] >> Yeah,
[47:15] >> definitely. I like that idea.
[47:18] >> Good suggestions.
[47:21] >> Anybody else? Any other thoughts or
[47:23] suggestions? They're all great. They're
[47:25] great input and some of these we kind of
[47:28] were already thinking. Some of them are
[47:29] new ideas. We will uh take a look at all
[47:33] of them. I guess what I'm thinking too,
[47:36] does this mean that we have to have the
[47:39] master plan and it might take two to
[47:41] three years before we get that or are
[47:44] there little things that we can do now?
[47:46] >> Well,
[47:47] >> to start,
[47:48] >> it's just like anything else, money. So,
[47:50] as we get So, we make this impact fee
[47:53] and we get five new residents and
[47:55] they're paying, let's just say, $5,000
[47:57] each. Now, I got $25,000 to spend on
[47:59] apartments. um if you get 200 new homes
[48:03] and I got what I can do the math here
[48:05] $100,000 or something to spend on park.
[48:07] So it really just depends on that. I
[48:09] mean we don't get I mean there's grants
[48:11] we'll go after and stuff like that but
[48:13] I'm just giving you
[48:14] >> we could get grants we could maybe not.
[48:16] I don't know but there the main thing
[48:17] will be impact.
[48:19] >> Um I was just going to say as well like
[48:21] a lot of it depends on what happens with
[48:24] BLM. If we apply to BLM they want to put
[48:27] together a plan of what we want to do.
[48:29] we have to do all that first, then we
[48:30] have to apply. Don't we have to wait for
[48:32] back? Maybe they have changes. So, it
[48:34] just it really just depends that it's a
[48:36] timeline, but there's a lot of work that
[48:39] has to go into it before.
[48:40] >> Well, and I understand, but that's we're
[48:42] looking at the big projects and some of
[48:44] the littleer projects like a basketball
[48:47] hoop or those that are smaller or even
[48:50] an archery range.
[48:52] >> Again, we like the land. We don't have
[48:55] enough land to do all of that stuff
[48:57] right now. So, we have to get the land
[48:59] and we have to have fun. So, like I'll
[49:01] tell you right now, the immediate thing
[49:02] you're going to see is like you just
[49:03] said, new picnic table.
[49:05] >> It's about
[49:06] >> probably close to $10,000. About a
[49:08] thousand bucks each one. I just bought
[49:10] about 10 of them. So, about 10,000. Um
[49:12] >> I know where we can get some.
[49:13] >> Yeah, I'm glad those down. And then the
[49:17] new playground. You're going to see a
[49:18] new playground soon. Um it's just
[49:20] because that one is just so bad. And if
[49:22] we have the money for that,
[49:24] >> if we get some headstones out here,
[49:25] maybe we can use the ary.
[49:29] >> I already tried to use the cemetery and
[49:31] impact be attorney said, "Mike,
[49:33] >> I'm just kidding."
[49:34] >> Absolutely not. I told him, "Can I use
[49:36] impact bees on the cemetery? It's part
[49:37] of the park, right? It's part the park
[49:39] goes here. We got the town garden in the
[49:41] cemetery." No, no, can't use it.
[49:43] >> Have to have plans for it. You have to
[49:46] be able to get caring on it. Even if you
[49:49] do a crystal ball court, you know, we
[49:51] have to have a plan. What's the plan?
[49:53] Where's the crystal ball court going to
[49:54] go? Like how's it going to flow with
[49:55] this? Where's the park? And so we have
[49:58] to have a plan and this this is just
[50:02] 1250 get the items what people want so
[50:04] that we can start building that plan and
[50:06] then BLM and say, "Hey, have a trail
[50:08] head here and put a little park in
[50:10] here." And then we can go from there in
[50:13] building that plan.
[50:14] >> Well, let's say the cemetery. It's been
[50:17] sitting dormant for quite a while and
[50:21] then a plan came in to cut and within
[50:25] three months it was done. Not that it's
[50:28] not what it should be. You know, not
[50:32] everything is in place yet, but at least
[50:35] it's starting that people can be buried
[50:38] there. That's what I'm saying. Are there
[50:40] little things like that?
[50:42] >> No, because we don't have no land.
[50:44] >> So,
[50:44] >> we don't have any land.
[50:45] >> We don't have no land. The town this
[50:47] what you see right here is what the town
[50:48] holds pretty much.
[50:49] >> I we that's it. I mean we have easements
[50:51] some easements but you can't easements
[50:53] you can't just that's not art we can't
[50:55] just go build park right
[50:56] >> some easements may allow for that but
[50:57] most do not most of them are specific a
[50:59] water ement a power ement so what's
[51:01] going to happen right now is we're going
[51:02] to take this information
[51:04] >> we work me chief and Michelle are
[51:06] working with our engineers they will put
[51:08] together a plan and they're going to say
[51:11] okay this is how much all this is going
[51:13] to cost okay let's just say $10 million
[51:16] for everything we want to do then
[51:17] they're going to say okay based on your
[51:18] growth projected growth this is how many
[51:20] houses you come in have coming in over
[51:22] the next 10 years. So each one of these
[51:24] houses is going to need to pay X amount
[51:26] in impact fees. So any new house that
[51:28] comes in will pay whether it's 5,000 or
[51:30] 10,000, whatever the number they come up
[51:32] at the law, you have to have them do the
[51:33] study and set the amount. We voted into
[51:35] the council, but they come up with an
[51:37] amount and then they'll pay the impact.
[51:39] And like I said, as the money comes, the
[51:40] only other option is to take out a loan,
[51:42] which I'm not going to do. This town's
[51:44] taking out too many loans. We pay crazy
[51:46] amounts of interest. And the easiest
[51:49] thing for me may I like to when people
[51:50] say, "Oh, this mayor did the gateway and
[51:52] this mayors didn't do nothing. They took
[51:54] out loans and now we and me and my staff
[51:56] are trying to figure out how to pay for
[51:57] it." The trick is to do things without
[51:59] loans. It's very easy for me to take out
[52:01] a $10 million loan right now. Throw all
[52:02] the parks in you guys. Mike's the
[52:03] greatest thing in the world. Woohoo!
[52:04] Look what he did. And then the next
[52:06] mayor will be dealing with trying to pay
[52:07] it off and the town will struggle like
[52:08] we are now. So I don't want to do loans.
[52:11] as we get the money and remember when
[52:13] like a culta they're paying
[52:17] $3.5 million in impact fees. So when you
[52:20] get these developers coming in and these
[52:21] commercial these impact fees come in
[52:24] really quick commercial especially. So
[52:27] you're going to see when it sounds like
[52:29] it's a long time away but but again
[52:32] nobody wants the developments nobody
[52:33] wants to grow. I get that. I don't want
[52:36] it either but some of it's approved and
[52:38] it's coming. So look at the silver
[52:39] lining. You don't have without growth.
[52:41] You can't have nothing. I mean, nothing.
[52:43] We can get along. We can as we've been
[52:45] doing, but I can't chief can't come to
[52:47] me and say, "Hey, I need a new fire
[52:49] truck." And there's 600,000. All right,
[52:50] chief. I I we don't have money. Now, the
[52:52] growth they will they'll put the impact.
[52:55] We'll have that money. So, one of the re
[52:57] another one of the reasons why we're
[52:58] doing this is because part of the grant
[53:00] talking about we also got money to
[53:02] actually do renderings of a park and a
[53:05] trail. And so, with the grant, we can
[53:08] now put together renderings of a park
[53:10] and on a trail most likely in the point
[53:12] area, but we have to decide where we
[53:14] want that park
[53:15] >> and we need to know what kind of things
[53:17] and when we want. So, that's what about
[53:20] building that plan.
[53:22] So once we get the renderings done, then
[53:24] we'll go to BLM and say, "Hey, we want
[53:26] there's our plan. We need this property.
[53:28] Will you donate this property? Could we
[53:30] put a trail here?" Um, there may be some
[53:32] property that we need to purchase. I'm
[53:35] not sure. And then that's step one. And
[53:37] then step two is getting the money and
[53:39] actually start building. So I know that
[53:41] this area is not the best far as but I
[53:45] thought BLM gave us Apple Valley a big
[53:49] chunk of land out pass.
[53:52] >> No sorry
[53:54] >> about
[53:54] >> we have BLM land which chief does not
[53:57] like because he had to go be responsible
[53:58] fighting the fires but we have BLM land
[54:00] in the town of Apple Valley. We don't
[54:02] own BLM does and it depends on what you
[54:05] want to do. If you if I call BLM and say
[54:07] I want your property over there because
[54:09] we're going to sell it to some
[54:10] developers, you're not getting it. If
[54:12] you want to say I need to bring pipeline
[54:13] across your property, there's a chance
[54:15] different things have better chances
[54:16] with BLM. So
[54:18] >> that's kind of what it's
[54:20] >> they gave it to us chunk out there.
[54:22] >> My question may be for So like Cedar
[54:25] Point, we're talking about a park Cedar
[54:26] Point. Have you talked to the residents
[54:28] specifically there and kids?
[54:30] >> Like I live there and I see almost no
[54:32] kids. I put my own playground in for my
[54:34] grandkids and it's like there's a little
[54:35] one with the tiny homes and I know other
[54:37] people have them in their backyard and
[54:38] it's like
[54:38] >> yeah we're not gonna put a huge one.
[54:40] >> It's not going to be a big park and it
[54:42] will be more like a trail access trail
[54:45] head
[54:46] >> um with a small like
[54:50] >> something like that.
[54:51] >> I've just had a few people complain to
[54:52] me saying hey
[54:55] >> we don't have a park over there that's
[54:56] not there you know that kind of deal. I
[54:58] will tell you the little park at the
[54:59] dining home sees a lot of the kids
[55:02] saying you don't see that come over to
[55:04] borrow it.
[55:05] >> The new owner is in really gracious
[55:06] spot. I just don't notice trying not to
[55:09] pay attention.
[55:10] >> Yeah.
[55:10] >> And they're over there. So they are
[55:13] using it there as a side. So, in our
[55:16] perfect world,
[55:17] >> in our perfect world, what we're working
[55:19] on now is we just kind of started
[55:20] working on we would like to get some BLM
[55:22] land donated right there where the fire
[55:23] station is on Canyon and put in a small
[55:26] parks, maybe a small gazebo, bathrooms,
[55:28] a picnic table, a little bit of
[55:30] playground, just something small for
[55:31] some kids. And then from there, have
[55:33] some parking with some trail heads that
[55:35] will lead out this way up into the other
[55:37] BLM land and around and stuff like that.
[55:40] That's what we're thinking with the with
[55:42] the Cedar Point Park that
[55:45] stuff there. You know, a lot of offro
[55:47] side by side. A lot of people fly down
[55:50] that flying curves and all. So, I know
[55:53] how you corporate hiking. I've actually
[55:54] eyeballed it looking at maybe some
[55:56] single track stuff for mountain biking
[55:57] up in there and it's it's doable, but
[56:01] you really watch multi access type of
[56:05] thing
[56:05] >> once you get on the road. No.
[56:08] >> Yeah.
[56:10] >> Okay. I think we've got what we need.
[56:12] you guys.
[56:14] Good. Good.
[56:16] >> Okay. We don't have no action to take on
[56:17] this. We're going to close it out.
[56:19] Right.
[56:20] >> Well, I'm gonna I'm going to close out
[56:21] the discussion and action for item
[56:23] number five, parks and recreation survey
[56:25] results. If that's the only reason you
[56:26] came, you're welcome to leave. We're
[56:28] going to roll into our regular boring
[56:30] meetings. If you guys want to hear that,
[56:31] that's fine. We're going to roll into
[56:33] item number six.
[56:35] Discussion and action for ordinance
[56:36] O-2026-15.
[56:38] Zone change from open phase transition
[56:40] OST to agricultural 20 acres zone act 20
[56:44] for parcel AV-1361-B
[56:46] A-1361-C
[56:48] planning commission recommend approval
[56:50] on June 10, 2026. Let me tell you about
[56:52] this. This is a gentleman named Rick
[56:54] Trimmer and he is owns 40 acres and kind
[56:59] of in the process of buying 20 more
[57:00] right there. And what he is trying to do
[57:04] is very something similar to what I've
[57:06] done is his ultimate goal. He wants to
[57:08] divide this 60 acres into three 20 acre
[57:11] a lots. He wants to build one home on
[57:14] each one. He's going to live in one and
[57:16] he wants to lease the other two as a
[57:18] short-term rental for now and eventually
[57:20] that become family property and have his
[57:23] family live there. He also owns the
[57:25] house up on the hill. You probably can
[57:26] all see from Cedar Point. Um he rents
[57:28] that out as a short-term rental. He had
[57:30] a living in there. Um but it didn't pan
[57:32] out that way. So that's what he's
[57:34] looking to do. He's not a developer.
[57:36] He's not trying to break this up and
[57:38] sell it. Um,
[57:39] >> this is that the area up there behind um
[57:43] >> Yes, he is east of Frank in the cop's
[57:46] place. Actually, you go through where
[57:47] the mill over east of the million gallon
[57:49] tank even out there.
[57:51] >> So, he's really away from everybody. Uh,
[57:53] he just wants to take he's going to be
[57:54] on a private well, not on our water. He
[57:56] just wants to break his 60 acres up to
[57:59] into three 20 acre parcels and then he's
[58:01] going to come in for conditional use
[58:02] permit for the extra short-term rental.
[58:05] That'll be a whole separate issue, but
[58:06] this is all he's asking right now.
[58:08] >> He's just se separating.
[58:10] >> Yep. Yep. Well, no, he wants the zone
[58:13] change. Yeah, he the
[58:15] >> planning commission approved his lot
[58:17] split and they recommended approval for
[58:20] the zone change. They they do the lot
[58:21] splits. We just have to approve the zone
[58:23] change.
[58:25] I don't see any problem with it all.
[58:26] Super good people
[58:28] >> just trying to, you know, breaken it up.
[58:30] Like I said, it's actually zoned RE5,
[58:32] too. So we could have what is that 12
[58:36] 160 divided by five whatever that comes
[58:38] to 10 12
[58:39] >> houses whatever that right so this will
[58:42] just be 30 20 lot so that that's good
[58:44] for the grower
[58:46] >> I make a motion we approve ordinance
[58:48] 0-2026-15
[58:52] zone change from focal space transition
[58:54] to agricultural 20 acre zone AG20 for
[58:59] parcel AB-1361-
[59:03] B A-1361-
[59:06] C
[59:08] on
[59:10] >> Rich you second.
[59:12] >> Yeah.
[59:12] >> Okay. Rich second. Roll call vote.
[59:14] >> Scott Taylor I.
[59:16] >> Mike I still have I
[59:19] >> motion carried.
[59:21] >> Huh?
[59:22] >> Rich had a second. Yep. Okay. We're
[59:25] going to item number seven. Open
[59:26] discussion and action for ordinance
[59:28] O-2026-16
[59:30] zone change from open space transition
[59:32] to agricultural 5 acres zone a 5 for
[59:35] parcel AV-1378-G.
[59:38] This gentleman's name is Jason Curtis.
[59:40] He lives right near this property is
[59:43] right near Chief's house over there
[59:45] south of the 59. He has 20 acres. He
[59:48] wants to divide it up into five acre
[59:50] parcels. Um he's not sure he doesn't
[59:52] plan on splitting it right now. He might eventually but he want to have
[59:57] that option. So right now he's just
[59:58] asking us for the zone change if he
[1:00:00] comes back our planning commission for a
[1:00:02] lot of them in the future. What I did is
[1:00:05] I spoke to chief because chief lives
[1:00:06] right there and both properties and
[1:00:08] chief's kind of like anybody else would
[1:00:10] be. Well no I would rather not anybody
[1:00:11] be there but it's his property and it
[1:00:14] fits with everything and five acre lots
[1:00:16] are fine. That's what everybody's on for
[1:00:18] him there. So he was okay with it.
[1:00:20] >> So he just wants to go from OST to 5
[1:00:22] acre five.
[1:00:25] So the a potential to have four homes
[1:00:28] right there, right? Or four lots.
[1:00:31] >> Motion we approve ordinance 0-2026-16
[1:00:36] zone change space transition zone to
[1:00:39] agricultural 5acre zones AG5 for parcel
[1:00:43] AD-1370-D
[1:00:46] planning commission recommend approval
[1:00:48] on June 10th.
[1:00:51] Second
[1:00:53] roll call vote
[1:00:54] >> Taylor I s I
[1:00:57] >> Richard Palmer I motion carries on item
[1:01:00] number eight ordinance O-2026-14
[1:01:03] repeal and replace title 14.13
[1:01:06] cemeteries I'm not going to redraw this
[1:01:08] I hope you guys have this is too much
[1:01:09] basically this exactly what we're doing
[1:01:11] we just took all the ordinances they
[1:01:13] wrote and got rid of them because not
[1:01:15] saying they did a bad job they did a
[1:01:17] great job but there are lots and lots of
[1:01:20] rules s and it's made for somebody with
[1:01:22] a big town and has a huge cemetery. So
[1:01:25] Bradley worked with the guy that does
[1:01:27] the hurricane uh cemetery and gave us
[1:01:30] some advice and Bradley came up with
[1:01:32] ordinances and that's what this is. So
[1:01:35] this is just simplifying if you read
[1:01:36] through them it's really just
[1:01:37] simplifying things so we don't just we
[1:01:40] have to get started and that's all.
[1:01:43] >> Okay.
[1:01:45] >> Oh yeah.
[1:01:45] >> Yeah. I make a motion we approve
[1:01:47] ordinance 0-2026-14
[1:01:51] repeal and replace title 14.13
[1:01:55] for the cemeteries.
[1:01:59] » Roll call vote.
[1:02:01] >> Mike.
[1:02:05] Motion carries. Now on to the heart.
[1:02:08] This is item number nine resolution R-26
[1:02:12] R-2026-20
[1:02:14] water rate increase. amend title
[1:02:16] 0.1.20.010
[1:02:19] residential appendix A schedule water
[1:02:21] rates fees and charging. Let me explain
[1:02:24] this a little bit. So what happened if
[1:02:27] you guys remember we did a water rate
[1:02:30] increase across the board everybody and
[1:02:31] we did tiers. Well tiers were pretty
[1:02:35] expensive and I had a few residents come
[1:02:37] to me and say listen we're going to have
[1:02:39] to let our grass die and our trees die
[1:02:41] and we just can't afford to water. And I
[1:02:42] said, "No, I feel for you on that and I
[1:02:45] feel really bad and I don't want to see
[1:02:46] Apple Valley turn brown. So, let me see
[1:02:47] what I can do." And I crunched the
[1:02:48] numbers and I brought you guys and said,
[1:02:49] "Hey, I think we can reduce these
[1:02:51] rates." And I was correct. We we did.
[1:02:54] >> We corrected them.
[1:02:55] Well, this year, this
[1:02:56] is something what people have to
[1:02:58] understand. Uh when you ask people to
[1:03:00] conserve water, you lose less water. The
[1:03:02] water division is based upon that
[1:03:04] income. So, if we cut our water usage in
[1:03:07] half, the budget in the water department
[1:03:09] goes in half. So, we had a little
[1:03:11] shortfall. So, this will kind of make
[1:03:13] that up. Um, it's going to affect about
[1:03:15] 30 to 35 residents in Apple Valley. It's
[1:03:18] just the top tier users. The average
[1:03:21] house uses 35,000 gallons or less. We
[1:03:24] didn't even kick this up until a little
[1:03:25] bit above that. So, it shouldn't affect,
[1:03:27] like I said, 30 to 35 people, just the
[1:03:29] very high-end users. I don't like it
[1:03:32] because we try to encourage Apple Valley
[1:03:34] to be rural and farmish. And here we are
[1:03:36] at water. Now, what the what really has
[1:03:40] ate this on too is we had a resident
[1:03:45] developer call the state auditor and
[1:03:47] file a complaint
[1:03:49] uh against the town and we had to go
[1:03:52] through a full state audit and we did it
[1:03:55] and we came out fine. Couple
[1:03:57] recommendations, nothing big, but some
[1:04:00] of that was how we structured our water
[1:04:02] rings. Well, I get a call from some
[1:04:04] state people and they're concerned
[1:04:06] because we have cheap tiered water and
[1:04:10] every other town around here is pushing
[1:04:13] water conservation and they have
[1:04:14] extremely high-end top tier water to
[1:04:16] discourage lots of water use. So, the we
[1:04:19] were not not being told to do anything,
[1:04:21] but we're recommended that we get the
[1:04:23] tears up where they should be. So, I'm
[1:04:25] proposing that we don't necessarily.
[1:04:30] It's just not working out. And
[1:04:31] >> we're not raising what the state said.
[1:04:33] We're just putting back,
[1:04:35] >> you know, putting back what we
[1:04:36] originally did. We tried. I tried to
[1:04:37] appease the residents and I mean it
[1:04:39] looked good on paper and it's just not
[1:04:41] working out. So, um, this is puts us I
[1:04:44] did tons of work. Let me read this
[1:04:46] memorandum to you guys. Haven't read it
[1:04:48] all over. Basically, the town I'm read
[1:04:50] this because I want to get it on record,
[1:04:51] but um as the town of Apple Valley
[1:04:53] transitions operation of the public
[1:04:55] water system from a big plains water
[1:04:56] special service district to newly
[1:04:58] established Apple Valley Water
[1:04:59] Department, town officials have
[1:05:00] undertaken a review of the systems
[1:05:02] operational needs, maintenance
[1:05:03] requirements, and financial
[1:05:04] sustainability. During this transition
[1:05:06] process, staff identified operational
[1:05:08] challenges and costs associated with the
[1:05:09] condition, I'm sorry, with the continued
[1:05:11] delivery of reliable water service.
[1:05:13] These include water system losses,
[1:05:15] ongoing maintenance requirements,
[1:05:16] infrastructure replacement needs,
[1:05:18] regulatory compliance obligations,
[1:05:19] emergency repair preparedness, debt, and
[1:05:22] the establishment of the appropriate
[1:05:24] operation of capital reserves. Based on
[1:05:26] information provided by the staff and
[1:05:27] system operator, the current restructure
[1:05:29] may not generate sufficient revenue to
[1:05:31] adequately support the long-term
[1:05:32] operation, maintenance, repair, and
[1:05:34] replacement of water system
[1:05:35] infrastructure while maintaining
[1:05:36] appropriate reserves for unexpected
[1:05:38] expenditures and future capital
[1:05:39] improvements. If you remember what this
[1:05:41] kind of what I said back in October of
[1:05:43] 2025 as a town council, we voted to
[1:05:44] prove an upper tier level water
[1:05:46] reduction reduction. We did this in
[1:05:48] hopes of being able to cut some costs,
[1:05:49] reduce expensive in the budget, and have
[1:05:50] enough water system revenue to cover the
[1:05:52] early expenditures. On paper, it looked
[1:05:54] like it might work. We thought it was
[1:05:55] worth a try. However, after fiscal year
[1:05:57] 2026 coming to an end, we have seen that
[1:05:59] the numbers didn't go as planned and we
[1:06:01] will need additional revenue to cover
[1:06:02] water system. I wanted to share some
[1:06:05] quantitive quantitative analysis I used
[1:06:07] to develop the proposed rate increase.
[1:06:09] The annual water system revenue for 2025
[1:06:11] fiscal year was $725,000.
[1:06:13] For 2026 fiscal year, we are looking at
[1:06:15] about 650,000. So, we lost 75,000. We've
[1:06:19] been able to lower our annual operating
[1:06:20] expenses down to about 700,000. That
[1:06:22] leaves us short about 50k to cover our
[1:06:24] annual operating expenses. Increasing
[1:06:26] these upper tier levels of water usage
[1:06:27] back to where they originally were last
[1:06:29] year before we lowered the top tier
[1:06:30] rates would affect approximately 40
[1:06:32] customers over approximately 450 water
[1:06:34] connections and generated an estimated
[1:06:36] additional annual amount of $40,000.
[1:06:38] Some other information that was utilized
[1:06:40] in my quantitive analysis is the Apple
[1:06:41] Valley water system has a debt of about
[1:06:43] $4 million. Tiered rates are utilized to
[1:06:46] promote water conservation. I also
[1:06:48] compared the tiered rates to other
[1:06:49] nearby cities, count St. George, Leeds,
[1:06:51] Hurricane, Ill, Colorado City, and even
[1:06:54] with the increase, our tiered rates will
[1:06:56] be lower than our than other neighboring
[1:06:59] city/counts. The rate increase also puts
[1:07:01] us in line with the recommended rates
[1:07:03] addressed in the culinary water master
[1:07:04] plan performed by Sunrising Engineering
[1:07:07] in July of 2023 as well as
[1:07:09] recommendations by Utah State Division
[1:07:10] of Drinking Water. The proposed water
[1:07:12] rate adjustment is intended to better
[1:07:13] align water system revenues with the
[1:07:15] actual cost of providing service,
[1:07:17] preserve the financial stability of the
[1:07:19] utility, and ensure the town's ability
[1:07:20] to maintain a safe and reliable water
[1:07:22] supply for current and future customers.
[1:07:24] The town council is asked to consider
[1:07:26] the pro proposed rate adjustment in
[1:07:28] light of these operational and financial
[1:07:30] considerations and determine whether the
[1:07:32] revised rate structure is in the best
[1:07:33] interest of the water system and
[1:07:39] letting you guys know that we've done
[1:07:40] the homework and this is what I use this
[1:07:45] never something I like to do. I'm sure
[1:07:47] nobody likes to do it. I just rather
[1:07:48] give everybody free water.
[1:07:51] Unfortunately, we can't do that.
[1:07:54] Scott, we approve of resolution R-2026-2
[1:07:59] water rate increase title 01-20.010
[1:08:05] resend
[1:08:07] a schedule of water rates fees and
[1:08:09] charges second.
[1:08:11] >> Roll call vote. Sir I
[1:08:13] >> Mike I
[1:08:17] » motion carries on item number 10
[1:08:20] resolution R-2026-18
[1:08:22] amending the town fee schedule relating
[1:08:24] to water rate solid waste fees boundary
[1:08:26] adjustment master development agreements
[1:08:28] water agreements and other agreements
[1:08:30] requiring legal engineering or
[1:08:31] administrative review and establishing
[1:08:33] after the fact so let me run these down
[1:08:35] for you um trash increases start there
[1:08:38] we are we just did the budget and we
[1:08:40] were coming up I don't we're 67 8,000
[1:08:42] short on our trash. We don't make money.
[1:08:44] We just break even with what we pay to
[1:08:46] the county and we are coming up short.
[1:08:48] So, I am proposing a $1.50 a month
[1:08:51] increase to all residents and that will
[1:08:54] make up that difference and we will be
[1:08:56] breaking even again. Um, in the past
[1:08:59] year or two, we've just eaten it, but
[1:09:01] the budget got a little tight this year.
[1:09:02] So,
[1:09:03] >> just so the community understands too,
[1:09:05] we don't have any real control over
[1:09:07] that. That's done by
[1:09:08] >> Washington County special service desk.
[1:09:12] We served on that for quite a while,
[1:09:14] too. And they've really got their hands
[1:09:15] full.
[1:09:17] >> You can just pretty much count on every
[1:09:19] year. It's going it's going to go up a
[1:09:21] few minutes.
[1:09:22] >> We don't make money. We don't charge a
[1:09:24] handling fee for Michelle and Jenna's
[1:09:26] time. Nothing like that. Exactly what
[1:09:28] they charge us.
[1:09:29] >> We just missed a couple of rate
[1:09:30] increases or something somehow, but some
[1:09:35] we just got behind. We digest it
[1:09:37] >> and we don't have the ability to look
[1:09:40] for a different
[1:09:44] part of the county.
[1:09:48] » Yeah, that's why I was saying there's no look for anything else to try
[1:09:53] and get a better rate because of the
[1:09:54] county and the way that the special
[1:09:56] district.
[1:09:59] >> Yeah.
[1:10:00] >> So, we're going to go from 1466 a month
[1:10:02] to 1616 a month. It's $150. That's one
[1:10:05] thing. The next thing is we are
[1:10:08] proposing that we double the after the
[1:10:10] fact fees. Right now we there's a couple
[1:10:13] permits that we say, "Oh, you're going
[1:10:14] to have to pay extra." This is for
[1:10:16] people who build a house without a
[1:10:17] permit or that doesn't happen often.
[1:10:20] Mainly probably like business licenses.
[1:10:22] We get people that don't get business
[1:10:23] license and then they get caught.
[1:10:25] There's no repercussion. Why would you?
[1:10:27] There's nothing to say, "Oh, I I should
[1:10:28] have done this, but now I'm in trouble."
[1:10:30] We just let them pay the same amount.
[1:10:32] So, we're looking to double the fees if
[1:10:34] you come in and do it after. So, if you
[1:10:37] uh
[1:10:39] >> lost like the law school, we've had a
[1:10:40] lot of illegal loss, but a lot of them
[1:10:42] lately and
[1:10:43] >> probably more of that than anything
[1:10:44] >> of anything. Yeah.
[1:10:45] >> Even over the past years. Yeah.
[1:10:46] >> And why not? Why not do it? There's no risk.
[1:10:49] >> They just go to the county and do it.
[1:10:50] >> They just go to the county, do it. We
[1:10:52] write them up and then okay, I got
[1:10:53] caught. I come in and pay the regular
[1:10:55] fee. Well, now there's going to be
[1:10:56] double the fee. So, you need to do what
[1:10:57] you're supposed to do.
[1:10:58] >> What is the average fee for that?
[1:11:00] >> 800 bucks. So then it'll go to 60.
[1:11:02] >> If you get caught without one, you go to
[1:11:03] 69. Um, so that's one of the fees. And
[1:11:06] the biggest one was, so we're getting
[1:11:08] into more development and we are writing
[1:11:11] MDAs and stuff like that. This is
[1:11:14] costing us huge amounts of money. Like I
[1:11:17] will give you, we got Travis to pay for
[1:11:19] his luckily. Um, but that one was close
[1:11:23] to $50,000. I mean, when you take my
[1:11:26] time, the girls time, Bradley's time,
[1:11:28] the attorneys, the engineers, these are
[1:11:30] very expensive MDAs and water agreements
[1:11:33] both, but it's not fair that the
[1:11:34] residents pay for that. So, what we are
[1:11:36] doing is we're putting in a fee
[1:11:38] structure there that we're not making
[1:11:40] money, but you're going to pay for what
[1:11:41] it cost the town to write up your NPA or
[1:11:44] your water drink. we can't I can't pay
[1:11:46] the attorney, you know. I think we
[1:11:50] can't that cost.
[1:11:51] >> This is too much to and then and then MBAs fall apart. People lose
[1:11:55] property and stuff and so you do it with
[1:11:57] the hopes of development and you're
[1:11:58] going to get that back. But this is a
[1:12:00] good instance of where there's no
[1:12:01] development now. So we can't take that
[1:12:03] kind of financial hit. So we
[1:12:05] >> good job getting paid back.
[1:12:06] >> Yeah. So, I've added that in there. And
[1:12:12] well, we added a new we call a b a
[1:12:15] boundary adjustment fee, which is
[1:12:16] basically a lot line adjustment. We've
[1:12:19] kind of just done it that way, but I
[1:12:20] wanted the official wording because a
[1:12:22] lot split is when you split, too. But
[1:12:24] you can also move a lot line and we need
[1:12:27] to be involved in that and charge a fee
[1:12:28] because if someone adjusted the lot line
[1:12:30] on their property sometimes it makes um
[1:12:36] a parcel what am
[1:12:38] >> landlock thank you are too small like
[1:12:40] they could just go move their lot and
[1:12:42] now they've made a lot that's not to our
[1:12:43] ordinance now you're in violation or you
[1:12:45] can we've had some we have some
[1:12:46] properties are landlocked so we have to
[1:12:48] be involved in this to make sure we're
[1:12:49] going to improve any lots so that's the
[1:12:52] other fee that would add on there so
[1:12:53] That covers all of these that were added
[1:12:56] on. I know it sounds like a lot, but
[1:12:57] those are all
[1:13:00] I know it's a lot.
[1:13:05] We approve resolution R-2026-18
[1:13:11] scheduling schedule agency water solid
[1:13:14] waste boundary adjustments master
[1:13:17] development agreements watery
[1:13:21] legal engineering or administrative
[1:13:24] review
[1:13:25] after the fact
[1:13:28] that we'll call
[1:13:29] >> vote
[1:13:32] Any fif
[1:13:34] I
[1:13:35] >> motion carries on to item number 11
[1:13:38] resolution R-2026-9
[1:13:41] adopt fiscal year FY2027 tenative budget
[1:13:44] and establish June 30th at 6 pm for
[1:13:47] public hearing date where the public can
[1:13:49] comment on the tentative budget. So this
[1:13:52] is just you guys saying this is a
[1:13:54] tenative budget looks okay. We can make
[1:13:56] changes. The town's going to come.
[1:13:57] You're not actually voting it in yet.
[1:14:00] We're just going to say the tenative
[1:14:01] budget looks good and then we're going
[1:14:03] to put it to public notice. They have to
[1:14:04] have their 10 days to look at it, come
[1:14:06] in and comment on the 30th and then
[1:14:07] we'll vote it in. If you guys have any
[1:14:10] questions, it was much
[1:14:11] >> Thank you for the $200,000 raise in the
[1:14:14] public.
[1:14:17] » Keep dreaming. This was this was a this
[1:14:20] was a tight year. Had a lot of
[1:14:22] >> We It's because last year was a really
[1:14:24] this year's gonna be tight, but last
[1:14:25] year was really tight. We have a lot of
[1:14:27] equipment stuff that we spent money on.
[1:14:29] So, we cut back the budget. We're not
[1:14:31] putting your
[1:14:33] >> Yeah, we're putting still putting some
[1:14:34] money in the savings account and and I'm
[1:14:36] very frugal with that. I would rather be
[1:14:39] air on the side of having more money
[1:14:40] than not having enough. So
[1:14:42] >> I make a motion to approve resolution
[1:14:44] 4-20-19
[1:14:48] fiscal year 2027 end of the budget
[1:14:52] establish and established June 30th at 6
[1:14:55] p.m. for public hearing for the public
[1:14:58] comments.
[1:15:02] Roll call vote.
[1:15:05] >> Frank I
[1:15:10] motion carries on item number 12
[1:15:12] resolution R-202-22
[1:15:15] approving an intergovernmental
[1:15:16] cooperative agreement by and between the
[1:15:19] town of Colorado City, Arizona and the
[1:15:21] town of Aqua Valley, Utah for police
[1:15:22] services. I'm also going to kind of
[1:15:25] include my my presentation to you guys,
[1:15:27] item number 13, because it's the part
[1:15:29] with to do with the courts. So, I'm
[1:15:30] gonna kind of give you guys the whole
[1:15:31] rundown and give you some information so
[1:15:34] it doesn't seem
[1:15:35] >> I ran through this thing three times and
[1:15:37] then I went in and had a meeting with
[1:15:39] the mayor on top of it.
[1:15:40] >> So, here's what's going on.
[1:15:42] >> Okay.
[1:15:42] >> So, a while back, chief came to me and
[1:15:44] said, "We have a problem with with
[1:15:46] dispatch. The way our dispatch is
[1:15:48] working is basically we're calls are
[1:15:50] going in. One call goes over to Hillell
[1:15:53] to that dispatch and then Hurricane and
[1:15:55] the sheriff on a different dispatch and
[1:15:57] there was an instance I think it
[1:15:59] happened a couple times where he called
[1:16:00] in that everything was okay and code for
[1:16:03] whatever they use and yet the sheriff
[1:16:05] come up here flying up here at 100 miles
[1:16:07] an hour site he didn't get the
[1:16:08] information
[1:16:10] lights and sirens gets up here is upset
[1:16:12] with chief going hey you know what I
[1:16:14] came up here he called it in but they
[1:16:16] have to I understand they have to
[1:16:17] physically take their phone and call the
[1:16:19] dispatch system they're not like that.
[1:16:21] So she comes to me and said, "We got to
[1:16:22] fix this.
[1:16:23] >> It's been a mess for a long time."
[1:16:25] >> So one of the proposals
[1:16:26] >> kudos on getting the right direction.
[1:16:28] >> So one of the proposals and him talk was
[1:16:30] to uh take on the the police department
[1:16:34] from Hill. That that's what started
[1:16:35] this. And then I went back and forth and
[1:16:37] we negotiated. And as I dug into this,
[1:16:40] let me tell you guys some facts. Right
[1:16:41] now we pay $20,000 a year to the
[1:16:43] sheriff's department for extra patrols.
[1:16:47] Um, they hit me with a $15,000 increase
[1:16:50] and I haven't resigned the contract.
[1:16:52] We've just been kind of just still
[1:16:53] paying it and avoiding it. So really,
[1:16:55] they want 15,000 more. So they want to
[1:16:56] go up to 35,000 for extra patrol. We are
[1:17:00] not getting hardly any money from the
[1:17:02] sheriff when they write tickets. So
[1:17:05] basically, um, there's a little box
[1:17:07] where they write their tickets, but they
[1:17:08] check Apple Valley. The officer does not
[1:17:11] check that. We don't get credit for the
[1:17:12] tickets. If they check the county, they
[1:17:15] get the money. So, what do you think
[1:17:16] officers can do? I mean, the chief I
[1:17:19] talked to the sheriff and he was we're
[1:17:21] going to look into it and stuff that
[1:17:22] he's like, he said, I can't control. I'm
[1:17:23] not sitting in a car with him when they
[1:17:25] check the box. So, we also did a few
[1:17:27] little test runs of some citations that
[1:17:29] we know were marked Apple Valley and
[1:17:30] somehow when they get into the court
[1:17:31] systems, we're not getting credit for
[1:17:33] these tickets. So, we have like four or
[1:17:36] $5,000 a year income coming in from our
[1:17:38] papers. doesn't even cover the court
[1:17:41] cost, the town prosecutor and the town
[1:17:43] public or the public defender. So what
[1:17:46] they do?
[1:17:47] >> Yeah. So what they do is when we write a
[1:17:49] ticket, and I don't remember the exact
[1:17:50] percentage, I think it's 20. They just
[1:17:51] say, "Okay, you get 20%. The rest goes
[1:17:53] to us." That's to pay for the big nice
[1:17:55] building, they have the very expensive
[1:17:57] judge, the expensive helm, public
[1:17:59] defenders, all this stuff. So what Hildo
[1:18:02] is proposing is they came to me and
[1:18:04] said, I'll start with this. $100,000 a
[1:18:07] year. Well, first it was a million
[1:18:08] dollars saying. So anyways, $100,000 a
[1:18:11] year. We have a dedicated officer out on
[1:18:13] the highway. We're going to write
[1:18:14] tickets and we're going to do it right.
[1:18:16] You're going to get credit. You're going
[1:18:17] to get your Okay. And I've been
[1:18:20] pondering on that. Kind of just scared
[1:18:22] to bring it to you guys. Kind of scared
[1:18:23] to make that kind of a commitment.
[1:18:25] That's a lot of money to
[1:18:26] >> I was freaked out all the rest.
[1:18:28] >> So I went back to Chief Bradley and
[1:18:29] said, you know, I'm just this is a lot
[1:18:31] of money. This is a big commitment. this
[1:18:32] thinking nerve. So, Chief Bradley said,
[1:18:34] "Okay, let's bite off a little something
[1:18:36] smaller. Let's do this. Let's agree to
[1:18:39] respond to all your calls. We average
[1:18:40] seven calls a month. We'll do your seven
[1:18:42] calls a month. So, when you call 911 or
[1:18:44] whatever, they'll they'll come here. Um,
[1:18:46] we'll do all your calls. Your dispatch
[1:18:47] will run through us. It's already
[1:18:48] running through us through fire. We're
[1:18:49] not going to charge you more. That's
[1:18:51] fine. And let's just do part-time patrol
[1:18:54] of the highway. Then, let's do it for
[1:18:55] 30,000 a year." Then you're not out on
[1:18:57] money. 20,000 from the sheriff comes
[1:18:58] over here. You're going to be out
[1:19:00] 10,000. was really not. We were going to
[1:19:01] pay him 35. But he said, "You will I
[1:19:04] promise you I this is I mean I know what
[1:19:06] we make on our diggers. You will make
[1:19:07] that back. It won't cost you anything.
[1:19:09] In fact, you're going to make enough
[1:19:11] money that you're going to come back to
[1:19:12] me in six months and say, "Let's do the
[1:19:14] dedicated option. Let's sign the
[1:19:15] $100,000 year contract." I said, "Well,
[1:19:17] we'll cross that bridge when we come
[1:19:18] to." So, right now, what we're looking
[1:19:20] to do, let me button this up, is we are
[1:19:23] going to take the money from the
[1:19:25] sheriff. We're no longer going to
[1:19:26] contract the sheriff. Now, by law, the
[1:19:27] sheriff still has to service us. Good
[1:19:29] luck. I mean that pretty much why we pay
[1:19:32] the grant just even get them come up
[1:19:33] here. Um so uh it'll be Colorado City
[1:19:37] Hill Valley Police Department and they
[1:19:40] will respond to all our 911 calls. Seven
[1:19:42] of them a month. If we go over they want
[1:19:45] $75 a call. We've never had over seven.
[1:19:47] That's fine. No problem there. Um
[1:19:49] they'll do a part-time control of the
[1:19:50] highway. I'm going to work with Chief
[1:19:52] Bradley on some zero tolerance from
[1:19:54] illegal lane passing, unsafe passing
[1:19:56] speeders. Um, this will just be from
[1:19:58] Apple Valley from where we're at the
[1:19:59] Cinder Pits area where we start all the
[1:20:01] way to to the Hilldale line and they
[1:20:04] will start pulling people over and
[1:20:06] writing tickets. And I know this is a
[1:20:08] big concern of the town. I've been
[1:20:09] getting lots of feedback from the town
[1:20:10] about, you know, okay, you fixed the
[1:20:12] water, you guys have done this, you've
[1:20:13] done this, let's fix the highway. I
[1:20:15] cannot do any DOT does not care about
[1:20:18] me. I'm just mayor of 900 people. I'm
[1:20:21] very small fish. Um, there has been
[1:20:25] three deaths on this highway in three
[1:20:26] years. That does not constitute you do
[1:20:29] saying, "We have this huge problem.
[1:20:31] Let's throw 10 million old dollars over
[1:20:32] there and make more lanes and all this
[1:20:34] stuff." Doesn't constitute that. They
[1:20:36] have far more deaths on other highways.
[1:20:37] That's where the money is going to go.
[1:20:39] They are going to put six and a half
[1:20:41] million dollars onto the highway and
[1:20:42] adding some lanes.
[1:20:44] I'm not I haven't done the studies and
[1:20:46] all that. I don't think it's going to
[1:20:48] help. They're going to add a lane from
[1:20:49] Goobury Lodges all the way to Paradise,
[1:20:51] which is where the mailboxes are, where
[1:20:53] the storage facility is. They're going
[1:20:54] to add more lanes. This section here, I
[1:20:56] don't see a passing problem through
[1:20:58] here. And we already have plenty of
[1:20:59] space. So, I don't think it's going to
[1:21:01] help. It seems to be from Gooseberry
[1:21:03] Lodgees that way. Now, we can't patrol
[1:21:05] down into I mean, they can, but we're
[1:21:07] not going to credit anything on the
[1:21:08] other side, so we're not going to pay
[1:21:09] for that. So, I think this is an answer
[1:21:12] to the public's cry for us, you know, to
[1:21:14] try to do something. this is what we can
[1:21:17] do. We can't get you out dot to do
[1:21:19] anything, but this is something we can
[1:21:21] do
[1:21:22] >> and it's cost effective.
[1:21:23] and and for now,
[1:21:24] like I said, maybe he's writing in six
[1:21:26] months, I'll be bringing you guys a
[1:21:26] proposal for a dedicated officer,
[1:21:28] $100,000 a year, and we'll be able to do
[1:21:30] it with the with the income. But right
[1:21:32] now, I just wanted to chew off a small
[1:21:33] piece. I was nervous, but I I just don't
[1:21:35] see any negatives to this. Um even if it
[1:21:38] was cost an extra 30,000 here, I'm
[1:21:40] willing to pay. I mean, how do we put a
[1:21:42] price on the safety of our residents? I
[1:21:45] mean there all of our kids, grandkids,
[1:21:48] spouses, they all drive this highway.
[1:21:49] They all I guarantee each one of you and
[1:21:51] all your spouses have a story if not
[1:21:54] several stories of near collisions, near
[1:21:57] death because we I've hear them from
[1:21:58] every. So, um that's what I feel we
[1:22:01] could do with step up patrols. I had
[1:22:02] some people say, "Oh, it don't matter.
[1:22:03] They're going to do it anyways." So, you
[1:22:05] don't believe in law enforcement at all
[1:22:06] because your theory is by have law
[1:22:08] enforcement anyways because they're
[1:22:09] going to do what they want. I do believe
[1:22:10] some people are going to say, "Too bad,
[1:22:12] so sad." But when you have a zero
[1:22:13] tolerance and you're writing tickets,
[1:22:15] after you get several tickets and you
[1:22:16] don't pay them and we start arresting
[1:22:18] people and impounding their vehicles, I
[1:22:21] think they're going to start listening.
[1:22:22] They're going to be in jail. It's that
[1:22:23] simple. And and I'm not going to be
[1:22:25] secret about it and I told the chief
[1:22:26] this I don't I you know these people
[1:22:28] I've followed a few vehicles that have
[1:22:30] cut me off and I'm not finally and I've
[1:22:32] seen where they go and not all of them
[1:22:34] but we we can't have that and we have to
[1:22:36] I feel like we have to do something and
[1:22:39] I think we need to put in the zero
[1:22:40] tolerance and we will and the other good
[1:22:42] thing is this like I I can I can
[1:22:44] literally call Chief Bradley right now.
[1:22:45] He'll answer my call. when you're
[1:22:47] calling the sheriff who's in charge of I
[1:22:49] don't even know where they got 800
[1:22:51] officers or whatever, you know, take my
[1:22:54] call or who am I, but you rather take my
[1:22:56] call. So, I think it gives us more
[1:22:58] control. We can, you know, make sure
[1:22:59] that we have a zero tolerance and we're
[1:23:01] not letting I told them everybody gets a
[1:23:03] ticket when they break the law. Myself
[1:23:04] included. I break the law, you guys
[1:23:05] better write me a ticket because if they
[1:23:06] don't, I'm going to be upset. I'm going
[1:23:08] to call you say your guys let me off.
[1:23:10] That's not right. So, I don't you know,
[1:23:12] we'll tell our residents, don't speed,
[1:23:14] don't illegal passing because you're
[1:23:15] going to get a ticket. So saying I'm on
[1:23:17] the town council is not going to do
[1:23:18] these.
[1:23:18] >> No sir. No.
[1:23:21] >> And I should clarify one more thing.
[1:23:23] These guys are not coming in here to
[1:23:25] patrol and write tickets or nothing like
[1:23:27] that. They're not when I say patrol hits
[1:23:29] the highway. They will be responding to
[1:23:31] our calls. If at any point in time we
[1:23:33] feel we need patrols in here. We will.
[1:23:36] The sheriff does some minor patrols in
[1:23:37] here, but we get the reports. I'm sure
[1:23:39] you guys see them. There's never been an
[1:23:40] instance where, oh well, I was
[1:23:41] patrolling and I pulled over this person
[1:23:43] and I did this. There's there's just a
[1:23:44] crime here. And I know it's a deterrent
[1:23:46] to have them in here, but when I do get
[1:23:48] a complaint that some elderly person
[1:23:50] calls me and says, "Oh, there's kids
[1:23:52] riding wheelies down the street, and
[1:23:54] there's no point in calling anybody
[1:23:55] because by the time they get here,
[1:23:56] they're long gone." I will usually just
[1:23:58] go out, grab the kids, and talk to them
[1:23:59] and say, "Hey, listen. I don't call the
[1:24:00] cops.
[1:24:01] >> Chill.
[1:24:01] >> Start rides. Go ride wheelies out there.
[1:24:03] Do whatever you want. I won't call the
[1:24:05] cops. You can ride through town. Just
[1:24:06] slow down. No wheelies. Drive through
[1:24:08] town. No problem. Just ourselves." So,
[1:24:11] >> I just tell you've been warned.
[1:24:12] >> Yeah. I I just don't tearing up my part.
[1:24:14] >> I know it's a big commitment, but I just
[1:24:16] it's a big change. I shouldn't say
[1:24:17] commit. It's a big change, but I I don't
[1:24:19] see any negatives in it.
[1:24:20] >> I just think we're we can build off of
[1:24:22] this and see what happens.
[1:24:23] >> You guys haven't been great.
[1:24:26] >> I really well for us.
[1:24:28] >> I really do.
[1:24:29] >> I read all and I agree. But I mean, we
[1:24:32] can grow from it.
[1:24:35] >> I'm just tired of these people on the
[1:24:37] highway endangering lives. Both the last
[1:24:39] two accidents that had deaths in them
[1:24:41] were because of an illegal past.
[1:24:42] >> Yeah.
[1:24:43] >> So,
[1:24:44] >> they're both I make a motion we approve
[1:24:47] resolution,
[1:24:49] >> excuse me, resolution R-20226-22
[1:24:53] approving and inter governmental
[1:24:56] cooperative agreement by and between the
[1:24:59] town of Colorado City, Arizona and the
[1:25:01] town of Apple Valley, Utah services.
[1:25:05] >> Okay, we'll call vote.
[1:25:07] I
[1:25:08] >> I
[1:25:10] >> Mr. Palmer I motion carries.
[1:25:12] >> Thank you for all your hard work with
[1:25:13] us.
[1:25:14] >> No problem. And the second one is the
[1:25:16] court. It comes with let me explain that
[1:25:17] really quick. Uh before like I said they
[1:25:19] were just giving us 20%. What'll work
[1:25:21] now is what's way it's working now is
[1:25:23] this is going to help Philadelphia.
[1:25:24] They're having a hard time keeping their
[1:25:25] courts going. Um they have their people
[1:25:28] have a lot of free times that they could
[1:25:29] take this on. They wouldn't have to hire
[1:25:31] anybody but we will now be paying in to
[1:25:32] help them out. Um we're not paying for
[1:25:34] the building. And she's like, "We got
[1:25:35] the building. We're not going to do like
[1:25:37] they didn't charge you. Their judges
[1:25:38] make less. The public defender makes
[1:25:40] less. They all make less. So what we'll
[1:25:41] do is we're going to she's going to
[1:25:43] they're going to come up with a figure
[1:25:44] that says, "Okay, if we have a thousand
[1:25:47] cases a year and the judge makes this
[1:25:49] much, divide that over the cases, this
[1:25:51] is how much each case costs and for
[1:25:53] every case we have, we will out of our uh picking money, they will take
[1:25:58] that out of that. They'll take out the
[1:26:00] public defender and all that stuff. And
[1:26:01] then we'll just deal whatever's left
[1:26:03] over. There's no just we're taking 20%
[1:26:04] out that's what you get. So when we
[1:26:06] crunch when I ch crunch numbers with
[1:26:09] chief it's a lot more money and we can
[1:26:11] be assured that chief his people are
[1:26:14] correct in the box and it's going to
[1:26:15] this court and nobody's I'm going to say
[1:26:17] screwing us screwing out of screwing us
[1:26:19] out of our ticket money. So
[1:26:22] >> they go somewhere else.
[1:26:23] >> Yeah.
[1:26:24] >> Yep.
[1:26:25] We approve resolution R26-2
[1:26:28] approving an interlocal property
[1:26:30] preparation agreement for the justice
[1:26:32] court services.
[1:26:35] >> I'll second
[1:26:40] I
[1:26:40] >> Mr. Palmer I motion carries. Now that
[1:26:44] we've approved it now they will take
[1:26:45] I'll sign this. They'll take it to their
[1:26:47] council meeting and approve it and then
[1:26:49] we'll I tried to get it after July 1.
[1:26:51] We'll see. All right. On item number 14,
[1:26:54] formally accept a donation in the amount
[1:26:56] of $4,230.
[1:26:58] These funds were received from the gold
[1:26:59] coin that the council previously
[1:27:01] authorized the mayor to redeem. It is
[1:27:02] unknown who originally donated the gold
[1:27:04] coin. This is what I brought to you guys
[1:27:05] last meeting with a safe deposit box. I
[1:27:07] went and got it. I took it to the coin
[1:27:09] shop out in St. George. Um he said if we
[1:27:13] waited for a while he could give us $200
[1:27:15] more. I said no, just cash it in. Gave
[1:27:17] us $4,230. I told you guys we donated
[1:27:20] that to the cemetery to put the fence up
[1:27:22] and everything. We just have to formally
[1:27:24] accept the donation.
[1:27:26] All that is
[1:27:28] >> formally accept the donation in amount
[1:27:30] of $4,230.
[1:27:32] These funds were received from the gold
[1:27:34] coin that the council previously
[1:27:36] authorized the toe
[1:27:39] originally donated gold coin.
[1:27:41] >> Second.
[1:27:42] >> All in favor?
[1:27:44] >> I motion carries. Item number 14,
[1:27:47] donation for town council approval KC
[1:27:50] contracting. Uh we are going they did
[1:27:53] some work on the fire station. We need
[1:27:54] to formally accept their $10,000
[1:27:56] donation for concrete work. His name's
[1:27:58] Tim, right?
[1:27:59] >> Oh Kent Cook.
[1:28:03] >> And he did about I think it was 12,500
[1:28:06] thereabouts in work and only charges
[1:28:08] 2500 or something. So about about a
[1:28:10] $10,000 donation
[1:28:12] >> charges for the concrete he paid for a
[1:28:14] portable body materials that he wasted
[1:28:18] that were nonreover.
[1:28:21] So
[1:28:23] >> we really
[1:28:25] >> really appreciate that and make sure
[1:28:27] >> local residents know that he's done this
[1:28:29] for the town and I encourage local
[1:28:31] residents keep it
[1:28:32] >> this is Casey Contracting
[1:28:35] >> and he's Casey Contracting. And so if
[1:28:37] you need concrete work done, I highly
[1:28:39] would recommend that we keep a local and
[1:28:41] help him out. He made a huge donation to
[1:28:42] the town's fire department. So we just
[1:28:44] need to formally accept that donation.
[1:28:46] >> He lived over in Cedar Point area.
[1:28:48] >> Did he do the concrete on the new fire
[1:28:49] station?
[1:28:50] >> Yeah, that's what this is. That's what
[1:28:51] this is. Yep.
[1:28:52] >> Nice. Nice.
[1:28:53] >> Yep. That's what I didn't realize they
[1:28:55] did all that, but yeah. Awesome. Next
[1:28:57] time I'll see you on Thank you.
[1:29:00] >> Yep. You're a great guy.
[1:29:03] I move we approve the donation for the
[1:29:05] town council approved.
[1:29:07] >> All in favor?
[1:29:09] >> I motion carries. On item number 16,
[1:29:12] consideration of updated URS tier 2
[1:29:14] public safety retirement system pickup
[1:29:16] election. Let me explain to you what
[1:29:18] this is. This is fire chief's
[1:29:20] retirement. They're increasing the
[1:29:22] amount. He's current we're currently
[1:29:23] paying.
[1:29:24] >> Wait, where you going?
[1:29:25] >> Where you going, man?
[1:29:26] >> No, don't take your bears.
[1:29:28] >> You don't need to be staring at
[1:29:30] >> No, you do. You can stare at me all you
[1:29:31] want, man. worth your weight at gold.
[1:29:33] Current amount we're paying is $3,7450.
[1:29:36] They're upping the rate to $3,887.
[1:29:39] We are under no obligation to pay this
[1:29:41] for chief by law by anything. It's an
[1:29:43] increase of 81250. I without a doubt
[1:29:46] think we should pick up this entire
[1:29:48] amount. He does a lot. He you guys don't
[1:29:51] see everything he does. He does far and
[1:29:52] beyond his fire duties. He's actually
[1:29:55] helping us with the roads. I mean, yeah,
[1:29:57] I've had a just a horrible last few
[1:29:59] weeks and him and Michelle have
[1:30:00] absolutely just stepped up and took care
[1:30:02] of so much stuff that they're not even
[1:30:03] their job description. So, I I am 100%.
[1:30:10] » He could make more elsewhere. I promise
[1:30:12] you guys that it's 800 bucks a year. I
[1:30:14] don't want him to pay that. I would more
[1:30:15] than happy to pay. So motion it
[1:30:19] go ahead updating
[1:30:22] public.
[1:30:26] » All in favor?
[1:30:28] >> I motion carries. You guys appreciate
[1:30:30] that. And now on to the consent agenda.
[1:30:33] We can wrap this up. Item number 17
[1:30:35] minutes from May 20, 2026 non council
[1:30:37] hearing meeting. Item number 18, April
[1:30:40] 2026 water dispersement listing. Item
[1:30:42] 19, May 2026 dispersement listing. Item
[1:30:45] 20, fiscal year 2026 through May 2026
[1:30:48] budget report. And item 21, May 2026,
[1:30:51] water uses Paris.
[1:30:55] » We approve the consent agenda.
[1:30:58] >> You should have just started that
[1:30:59] without making a motion. We approve.
[1:31:02] >> Give me a second.
[1:31:04] >> All right.
[1:31:05] >> Second.
[1:31:07] >> All right. Scott's got the second. All
[1:31:08] in favor?
[1:31:09] >> I. Motion carries. We don't need a close
[1:31:12] session. Um, do I someone has a motion
[1:31:15] for adjournment?
[1:31:16] >> I make a motion we adjourn.
[1:31:18] >> Second.
[1:31:19] >> All in favor?
[1:31:20] >> Motion carries. Meeting a journ.
[1:31:23] Thank you guys.
[1:31:25] How many call?