1 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:52,320 All right. With that, I will call the april 27th, 2026 meridian township planning commission meeting to order. 2 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,430 and I will start with roll call. Commissioner nahum. Present. Congratulations, dad, as we understand. 3 00:01:04,270 --> 00:01:06,990 commissioner brooks. Present. Vice chair mccurtis. Present. Commissioner shrewsbury. Present. Commissioner mcconnell. 4 00:01:11,550 --> 00:01:11,550 here. Commissioner snyder. Present. And yes, We have addition under other business for commissioner snyder. 5 00:01:18,750 --> 00:01:18,750 so we'll get to that in a moment. Okay. So we have called the roll and the chair is here. Barely. 6 00:01:24,550 --> 00:01:28,190 so at this moment we can move on to number 3 on the agenda. Public remarks. Do we have any public remarks? 7 00:01:31,030 --> 00:01:31,030 yes, you do. Ma'am, if you would. And if you could please state your name and address for The record. 8 00:01:40,150 --> 00:01:40,150 wanna know where I live too. We want all the information. 9 00:01:44,550 --> 00:01:44,550 these are the easy questions. Marilyn rue, 1808 birchwood, Okemos, michigan. 10 00:01:50,670 --> 00:01:50,670 okay. My comment is, we do not need another gas station on grand river. 11 00:01:57,870 --> 00:01:57,870 as where I could see, it looks like it's going to be built kind of across from the Speedway. 12 00:02:03,550 --> 00:02:03,550 I mean, why do we need another gas station? Those tanks damage the ground. 13 00:02:10,510 --> 00:02:10,510 we can't even build over in okemos and hamilton because the cleaners damage ground. 14 00:02:17,350 --> 00:02:17,350 nobody wants to, you know, build over there. That's a sight for sore eyes. 15 00:02:23,790 --> 00:02:23,790 and then, I mean, who brings all this business here? 16 00:02:29,030 --> 00:02:32,190 right? It's vacant. It's been vacant for a couple years. Do you try to get people to come here? I don't understand how that all works. 17 00:02:38,070 --> 00:02:38,070 okay? So, you know, we ought to try to fill the vacancies that we have right now. 18 00:02:44,710 --> 00:02:44,710 and I realize you want to build new buildings and ensure houses are nice here, But some of the houses that they're building are a little expensive. 19 00:02:54,350 --> 00:02:54,350 poor people can't afford those. Sure, they bought that on central park. 20 00:03:00,340 --> 00:03:00,340 those townhouses are for rent. My gosh, they're what, $35, $45 hundred a month to rent those things. 21 00:03:07,060 --> 00:03:07,060 I mean, people can't afford that. We need to have more not real low housing, But something more so that people can afford some housing here, 22 00:03:16,940 --> 00:03:16,940 you know, in okemos. We shouldn't have to build all these expensive houses. 23 00:03:24,020 --> 00:03:24,020 so I think, you know, we ought to try to. I don't know who does, Who attracts all the business here. 24 00:03:30,580 --> 00:03:30,580 is there a certain person? Or do just they come here and ask? 25 00:03:36,340 --> 00:03:36,340 I don't know how all that works, but as I said, You know, we ought to get something besides a gas station. 26 00:03:43,460 --> 00:03:43,460 I'm glad. Huntington bank? Sure. Is huntington bank going to take care of old chicago, Plus the verizon store? 27 00:03:50,940 --> 00:03:50,940 that verizon store has been empty for, what, Over ten years, probably? 28 00:03:56,530 --> 00:03:56,530 I mean, why can't we get something in there and make it look nice instead of having all This new stuff being built, 29 00:04:03,970 --> 00:04:07,970 you know, up the other stuff that's you know, Around here? So that's my comment. Thank you, mrs. Rue. Yep. 30 00:04:14,850 --> 00:04:14,850 and with that, we can move on to item number 4 of the agenda, Which is approval of the agenda. 31 00:04:19,970 --> 00:04:23,330 and we do have one edit under other business. And that will be 9.a.1. Recognition of commissioner snyder. 32 00:04:28,770 --> 00:04:28,770 so we could make that edit. I will. I move to approve the agenda as amended. 33 00:04:34,610 --> 00:04:34,610 second. All in favor, aye. Aye. Any opposed? So that was moved by commissioner mcconnell And seconded by vice chair mccurtis. 34 00:04:42,250 --> 00:04:42,250 and with that we will approve the agenda. And with that we can move on to item number 5 on Our agenda, 35 00:04:47,930 --> 00:04:50,970 which is approval of the april 13th, 2026 minutes. Do we have any edits, comments, concerns? I move that we approve the minutes. 36 00:04:57,591 --> 00:05:01,200 moved by vice chair mccurtis. I'll second. Seconded by commissioner shrewsbury. Any comment? I would just say that they're very detailed. 37 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,520 they are very. Mr. Shorkey does not miss much. So thank you, mr. Shorkey. All in favor, aye. 38 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,360 oh, sorry. Commissioner brooks. I was trying to find my one note. There was one note where I had asked about how emails are written to us and whether or not They 39 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:27,880 had to provide names and addresses for those to be put in or treated as sort of official Language. 40 00:05:35,840 --> 00:05:35,840 but the note said. I don't have it pulled up directly here, But. 41 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:40,760 oh. 42 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:50,160 because otherwise they can just be anonymous emails from anybody. If emails need to be Named and addressed? 43 00:05:58,080 --> 00:05:58,080 yeah. 44 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:05,520 has to say their name and address in order to make a statement. 45 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:10,000 okay. I will. 46 00:06:20,280 --> 00:06:22,880 so that would sound to me like a friendly edit? Yeah. That's a friendly amendment. Friendly amendment. 47 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:25,480 thank you. Hopefully my tone may have come up less friendly. 48 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:31,160 I didn't intend it that way. Just how friendly people keep reminding me. 49 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:37,960 I made that note, and I'll go back and listen to that part of the video just to make sure I got it right. 50 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:43,400 okay, thanks. Sure. And with that friendly amendment, We have our motion to approve. 51 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,630 correct? We had a second? And all in favor, aye. Aye. Any opposed? That is the approval of the april 13th, 2026 minutes. 52 00:07:00,830 --> 00:07:00,830 with that, we will move on to item 6 on the agenda, Which is communications, 6.a is the ingham county community profile. 53 00:07:09,710 --> 00:07:09,710 yeah. There's a couple. The ingham county and the meridian county community profiles. 54 00:07:13,750 --> 00:07:13,750 we received those and thought they'd be of interest to the planning commission. So we put Them in the packet for you. Just informational stuff. 55 00:07:20,430 --> 00:07:20,430 yes. And so ingham county, meridian township and. 56 00:07:25,110 --> 00:07:25,110 I was mispronounced. I wanted to say alaiedon township. Alaiedon township, A quick note on that. 57 00:07:31,270 --> 00:07:31,270 the letter that's in there says, see the attached master plan. 58 00:07:36,310 --> 00:07:36,310 I have the attached master plan. But if you go to the alaiedon township website, They do have a link to it that they chose not to put into their cover letter. 59 00:07:46,910 --> 00:07:46,910 and if you have any. So, same drill. They do have a place there where you can click and Give comments if you see something. 60 00:07:54,300 --> 00:07:54,300 but if you want to bring that back to the planning commission and take action as a Planning commission, 61 00:07:58,860 --> 00:07:58,860 I can put a formal memo together for you to. And then your secretary will sign it as an Official communication, 62 00:08:05,780 --> 00:08:05,780 however you want to do it. I don't necessarily see a reason for that, I mean. 63 00:08:15,300 --> 00:08:15,300 I think we're asked to write. Commissioner shrewsbury. 64 00:08:19,420 --> 00:08:19,420 sorry. I would love. I didn't get a chance to look at it before the meeting, And I doubt that I'll have feedback, 65 00:08:26,420 --> 00:08:26,420 but since it's adjacent, it looks like it's feedback isn't due until june 15th, If we could maybe flag it for you for our next meeting, 66 00:08:35,620 --> 00:08:35,620 if there is anything that anybody wants to discuss and put in a communication, If that would be okay with you. 67 00:08:41,300 --> 00:08:44,540 yeah. Please do. Great. Thanks. Any comments on that? Would that be any of the three communications for the next meeting? Well, I'm speaking about collecting comments on the alaeidon township master plan so that this 68 00:08:53,660 --> 00:08:56,380 planning commission can communicate that. Very well. Okay. Commissioner mcconnell. Did I see a half raised hand? 69 00:09:00,940 --> 00:09:00,940 yep. That's right. Exactly. There was a pen in it. 70 00:09:05,020 --> 00:09:05,020 I did have a chance to look a little bit at the community profile, And there's a couple of tidbits in there that really caught my eye I wanted to point 71 00:09:10,980 --> 00:09:10,980 people towards. This is the ingham county population. 72 00:09:15,260 --> 00:09:15,260 looking at change from 2010 to 2023, with this very small total change, But the number of school age children actually dropped a bit and the number of seniors 73 00:09:25,020 --> 00:09:25,020 grew by quite a bit, 45%. And their projections from 2025 to 2050 are for a 5% increase in Our population in the county, 74 00:09:35,380 --> 00:09:35,380 but school age dropping by 14% and seniors rising by 37%. 75 00:09:41,980 --> 00:09:41,980 and I thought those were interesting trends. I don't know how exactly to interpret them, But in terms of thinking about what our housing and community service 76 00:09:51,730 --> 00:09:51,730 needs will be in the next 20 years, feels like a good perspective to have. 77 00:09:57,410 --> 00:09:57,410 so I just want to bring people's attention. Thanks. Vice chair mccurtis. 78 00:10:01,690 --> 00:10:01,690 yeah, I wanted to add to that, too. Looking at the meridian charter township population, How it has increased, 79 00:10:07,770 --> 00:10:07,770 you know, over those 13 years from 10 to 23, Total change of 10%. 80 00:10:13,330 --> 00:10:13,330 and then school age children going up 8%, seniors 48 and working age 20 to 44, 81 00:10:22,490 --> 00:10:22,490 19%. But we have the 45 to 64 year olds going down, Went down 15%. 82 00:10:30,410 --> 00:10:30,410 anyway, just piggybacking off commissioner mcconnell, Looking at this, looks like when we talk about 83 00:10:40,410 --> 00:10:40,410 housing and if the trend continues to go in that direction in terms of, With the exception of the 45 to 64 year olds, 84 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:49,040 although even those seniors are going up 65 plus, That might be something that our township will have to look at in the future. 85 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,480 commissioner nahum. Yeah, another similar comment. I was looking at the total enrollment of school aged children. 86 00:11:08,680 --> 00:11:08,680 do we know why lansing public school district is declining so much more rapidly than the Like the number of school aged population? 87 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:17,000 do we know if students are choosing private education or going to other places? 88 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:21,760 is it just demographics? You seem like good things to talk about when we get into revising Our master plan. 89 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:31,920 I didn't mean to spark too much of a firestorm. 90 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:39,240 commissioner brooks. I also wanted to comment on it, And I appreciate the other commissioner's comments on this document. 91 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,120 I think there's a few stories that are in this. I think the first one is that any sort of economic growth that we're seeing that's Outlined here happened from 2010 to 2023, 92 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,760 which is a fairly robust period of economic growth. So projecting that out to 2050 is probably filled with risk, 93 00:12:13,560 --> 00:12:13,560 given that we just had experienced one of the great recession. 94 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:18,440 so it was only going up from there. Then the second thing I wanted to note is that there May be differences here in the age 95 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:29,400 cohorts, both within meridian township versus ingham county and michigan. 96 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:34,920 but broadly, the age of everywhere is going up. 97 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:40,840 right? It's just getting. Generally the larger age groups are getting older as they move Through the ranks, 98 00:12:50,870 --> 00:12:50,870 and even meridian township, the school projection is that okemos schools, I believe. 99 00:12:58,710 --> 00:12:58,710 did I see this? I could be misstating this. I thought I saw that okemos schools Potentially would see a decline. 100 00:13:09,830 --> 00:13:09,830 I may have misread that. Or maybe I was interpreting the. 101 00:13:14,150 --> 00:13:14,150 no. Okay, so I misinterpreted. Maybe I'm thinking about like the national population Projections or the michigan ones. 102 00:13:23,030 --> 00:13:23,030 haslett. Oh. Haslett did. Yeah. And then the last thing I wanted to note here from sort of A thematic story perspective 103 00:13:33,070 --> 00:13:33,070 is that this growth over the past decade is probably. 104 00:13:40,870 --> 00:13:40,870 this is probably a statement, not a guarantee, But that our growth has been through density within the urban service boundary, 105 00:13:50,420 --> 00:13:50,420 probably primarily. Right? And so we know that we have limited space within that area. 106 00:13:56,100 --> 00:13:56,100 and so in order to grow, we will either need to expand that boundary or increase density Within that urban service 107 00:14:05,860 --> 00:14:05,860 boundary, which means fewer parking lots, more dense housing or other structures 108 00:14:15,940 --> 00:14:15,940 to continue that. So those are my thoughts about it. 109 00:14:23,140 --> 00:14:23,140 I guess somewhat of a good thing that we are building a ton of new schools in meridian Township. 110 00:14:31,260 --> 00:14:31,260 all of this is going to be in the minutes as you guys discuss the demographic profiles in The packet. 111 00:14:38,620 --> 00:14:41,810 and we assume it will be accurate, as you always are. Yeah. 112 00:14:47,970 --> 00:14:47,970 just on youtube. All right. Very well. With communications, We'll move on to item 7 on the agenda. 113 00:14:54,090 --> 00:14:54,090 we have public hearings. Our first is on rez# 26005 garza. 114 00:15:01,290 --> 00:15:01,290 mr. Shorkey. Yes, as noted, rezoning number 26005 garza family name rezone one parcel Approximately 115 00:15:11,410 --> 00:15:11,410 an eighth of an acre, located at 1745 mack avenue from rtd multifamily residential to rb Single family residential. 116 00:15:20,050 --> 00:15:20,050 this is a pretty straightforward request, and it makes sense. 117 00:15:24,290 --> 00:15:27,530 you can see on the master plan, it's all yellow. That's known in the master plan as suburban residential. 118 00:15:33,170 --> 00:15:33,170 looking at the zoning, all of this in orange is rb. 119 00:15:39,290 --> 00:15:39,290 this is ra, this is an rr piece right here. And then you have one parcel right here that's Zoned for multifamily residential that has one house on it. 120 00:15:50,290 --> 00:15:50,290 the house is a non-conforming use. Rezoning, It does significantly bring it into compliance with the master plan. 121 00:15:57,450 --> 00:16:00,330 I do know that the suburban residential calls for ra. This, they're asking for rb, but the rb is consistent with all of the zoning to the west, South and east of them and fits into the land use pattern. 122 00:16:10,690 --> 00:16:10,690 staff really has no further comment on this. It's a straightforward as it sounds, And it brings them into conformance with the master plan. 123 00:16:19,210 --> 00:16:19,210 and we can answer questions or staff or the applicant is represented as well. 124 00:16:28,290 --> 00:16:31,970 comments? Commissioner brooks. I have one question. Mr. Shorkey. Is there like a lake lansing 125 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:42,040 area for zoning that we apply? There is a lake lansing overlay district. 126 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:46,800 overlay district. It largely defaults. It's not a separate zoning category. 127 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:54,120 it's an overlay and it defaults to the underlying zoning. Okay. Is this property within that? You want to give me a second? 128 00:16:58,360 --> 00:16:58,360 I will tell you. Okay. 129 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:14,520 there we go. 130 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,320 actually, that's not going to come up on this. I need to open up ordinances. 131 00:17:46,270 --> 00:17:46,270 district regulations. Overlay district. 132 00:17:57,030 --> 00:17:57,030 which has a map? It is in the lake lansing overlay district. 133 00:18:01,550 --> 00:18:01,550 it's this piece right here. So it's just on the very northwest corner. 134 00:18:06,590 --> 00:18:10,110 what does that overlay district mandate in this case? It doesn't mandate. It defaults to the. It's not a zoning category. 135 00:18:16,110 --> 00:18:16,110 basically, it plays with the dimensional standards. 136 00:18:22,190 --> 00:18:22,190 minimum lot area sometimes, but. I mean, minimum lot area is consistent with the Requirements of the overlay zoning 137 00:18:31,710 --> 00:18:31,710 district. Maximum lot coverage is 40% of what area. 138 00:18:38,190 --> 00:18:38,190 they've got plenty. Of the front yard setback is 20ft from the street, Except it may be reduced acreage. 139 00:18:46,110 --> 00:18:46,110 they meet that. That's no problem. Side yard is consistent with the underlying Requirements of the zoning district. 140 00:18:53,110 --> 00:18:53,110 it doesn't change any of the land uses or anything like that. 141 00:19:02,887 --> 00:19:02,887 so one of the notes, I think in the write up was 142 00:19:12,750 --> 00:19:12,750 that there might be space to split the parcel basically. 143 00:19:17,550 --> 00:19:21,190 the rb district has an 8000 square foot lot size. Right. The applicant has talked about dividing the parcel. 144 00:19:25,630 --> 00:19:25,630 it would allow for one land division. Either way the lake lansing overlay doesn't affect That. 145 00:19:36,140 --> 00:19:36,140 okay. So like when I was thinking about this, I looked at all the other plots of land. 146 00:19:42,660 --> 00:19:42,660 or not plots of land. The parcels that are in this same little triangle of between the Streets and there are various sizes. 147 00:19:53,380 --> 00:19:57,300 and then there's this giant one. Not giant, but the one that we're looking at. Yeah. And it is tend to be bigger than lots around the lake. 148 00:20:01,940 --> 00:20:01,940 yes. Yeah. And so then when I see this, the lake lansing overlay district says 5000ft² Minimum. 149 00:20:09,020 --> 00:20:09,020 I think I saw that as you were skimming through there, Does that apply here? 150 00:20:15,980 --> 00:20:18,420 so. Even if it did, they've got plenty of room. They have 8/10 of an acre. Right. So I'm saying though, Then can it be split? 151 00:20:23,980 --> 00:20:23,980 but it doesn't say that. Minimum lot area is consistent with the requirements of the Underlying zoning district. 152 00:20:30,460 --> 00:20:30,460 it doesn't apply to lots created and recorded prior to october 5th, 1960. 153 00:20:37,210 --> 00:20:40,610 but those are a lot of lake lots and a new lot wouldn't apply to. That wouldn't apply to a new lot. So the underlying zoning district would be rb. 154 00:20:44,730 --> 00:20:44,730 it would be 8000ft². Okay. And the same applies to corner lot down below? 155 00:20:55,210 --> 00:20:55,210 yeah. And again, consistent with the requirements of the underlying zoning district. 156 00:21:03,610 --> 00:21:07,570 provided the lot is not 35ft width at the street line. And you've got plenty of room. There's no issue with that. 157 00:21:11,170 --> 00:21:11,170 thank you. Further comments from the 158 00:21:20,890 --> 00:21:20,890 commissioners? 159 00:21:30,810 --> 00:21:30,810 and mr. Shorkey, you handed me a card on this one for somebody who may wish to speak. Was This this one? I would ask the applicant if they have any questions and then I would. 160 00:21:40,703 --> 00:21:40,703 any questions for the applicant? And then. Okay, So no comment from the 161 00:21:50,490 --> 00:21:54,050 applicant and no comment from the public. Very well. And actually this has to essentially lay over for a couple of weeks. So this is the first Time and then. 162 00:21:58,250 --> 00:21:58,250 correct. I will bring a resolution back. So as I explained, They can't make a decision tonight by bylaw. 163 00:22:06,730 --> 00:22:06,730 I come back in two weeks with a resolution recommending approval and then that goes Forward to the township board, 164 00:22:15,810 --> 00:22:15,810 so. Commissioners. I just have a question out of sheer curiosity. 165 00:22:23,730 --> 00:22:27,410 sure. Staff would be obliged to answer. Sure. Curious how the house was built in 2008 when it was zoned multi family. 166 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:32,240 I looked up the building permit. I saw nothing in there about anything. 167 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,680 the zoning seemed to be in place at the time. I figured someone was going to ask that question. 168 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,400 I can't answer. We issued a building permit and I wasn't here. Okay. Does the lake lansing overlay district follow. 169 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:53,560 or did the historical ordinance follow a similar practice as the. 170 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:00,640 keep forgetting the names of things. The other overlay district that is sort of right next To lake lansing overlay district. 171 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,800 it's a little square. It's the historic village around. That's not an overlay. That's a zoning district. That's the. 172 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:17,920 okay. And it never was? No, this is zoned rdd. 173 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:24,520 village of namioka that you're talking about is a separate zoning district. It's not an Overlay. 174 00:23:30,470 --> 00:23:30,470 okay. Why do we have the overlay district? That is a larger question than I'm prepared to Talk about tonight. 175 00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:38,870 okay. I'll put that right here and then I'll forget. 176 00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:44,390 okay. Thank you. It'll be in the minutes in the record. 177 00:23:48,550 --> 00:23:48,550 I'm sure we'll. Yeah, he'll put that in there. 178 00:23:53,110 --> 00:23:53,110 moving on. Under public hearings, we also have b. 179 00:23:57,510 --> 00:23:59,870 just real quick, are you guys good with this? Yeah. I can. Okay. Yeah. Straw poll. Sorry. Thank you. 180 00:24:05,270 --> 00:24:05,270 straw poll in two weeks. And I'll copy you when I send the packet out, So I'll be in touch. 181 00:24:11,630 --> 00:24:11,630 okay. 182 00:24:19,710 --> 00:24:19,710 or rabbits. Or rabbits. All right. Mr. Shorkey, You have what you need on rez 183 00:24:29,180 --> 00:24:29,180 26005? Yes, I do. Very well. And with that we can move on to 7.b, Which is sup number 26009, 184 00:24:36,140 --> 00:24:36,140 huntington national bank. Okay. Can I make one point of order? 185 00:24:45,700 --> 00:24:45,700 commissioner brooks. Did we close the public hearing officially for the last one? 186 00:24:51,220 --> 00:24:51,220 no, commissioner brooks is correct. So we will go back and find the point. 187 00:24:56,940 --> 00:24:56,940 but public remarks closed. Public hearing? Public hearing closed. 188 00:25:03,500 --> 00:25:03,500 yes. Public hearing for garza closed estimated at 6:56? 189 00:25:11,180 --> 00:25:14,660 I will find that in the minutes and I will note that for you. Very well. The chair continues to struggle in his role. 190 00:25:18,140 --> 00:25:18,140 moving on. Staff would suggest formally saying I'll now open the public hearing. 191 00:25:25,300 --> 00:25:29,100 hearing no comments. I'll close the public hearing just so we have it on the record. But I've been inferring. Okay. With that. Okay. 192 00:25:37,300 --> 00:25:37,300 so we've closed garza, right? And we move on to sup 26009 huntington national bank. 193 00:25:43,620 --> 00:25:43,620 yes. And opening. You are familiar, this being the old chicago site right on the corner of Marsh and grand river. 194 00:25:53,500 --> 00:25:53,500 property is in the c2 commercial zone. Pretty straightforward stuff. 195 00:25:59,980 --> 00:25:59,980 it's all surrounded by commercial property. This would not be a special use permit, Except there's a drive thru. 196 00:26:09,980 --> 00:26:09,980 okay? So, lot is certainly big enough, future land use. 197 00:26:15,900 --> 00:26:15,900 it's actually in the mall pica area. Everything to the east is commercially designated. 198 00:26:23,180 --> 00:26:23,180 so you've got support in the master plan. The proposed use bank with the drive through Exists 199 00:26:33,410 --> 00:26:37,090 in other locations in the c2 zoning districts. There's no problem with consistency. It does comply with the master plan future land use Map. 200 00:26:45,690 --> 00:26:45,690 the attached site plan shows the applicant. Might be getting ahead of myself. 201 00:26:49,730 --> 00:26:49,730 I'm sorry. Applicant. Like they're aware of our ordinances and regulations. 202 00:26:56,730 --> 00:26:56,730 you know, they're compliant with all our dimensional regulations and requirements. 203 00:27:02,770 --> 00:27:02,770 it's not expected to adversely affect or be hazardous to neighboring uses, Not expected to be detrimental to the economic welfare. 204 00:27:11,690 --> 00:27:11,690 it's a bank. I would hope not. And it's adequately served. 205 00:27:17,250 --> 00:27:17,250 you've got busses. You've got, you know, existing roads, Schools and whatever. 206 00:27:23,210 --> 00:27:23,210 as far as vehicular traffic goes, according to the applicant's engineers. 207 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:29,040 the proposed use is a 6375 square foot bank. That is not expected to generate an increase In intensity from the former old chicago restaurant. 208 00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:42,120 it has been determined that no further traffic analysis is necessary. So that's what's required by our ordinance. They did a traffic assessment. 209 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:47,400 if they triggered a traffic study, that would have come next. 210 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,760 so they have determined that they don't have to take that next step. Staff has read that and is fine with that. It is worth noting that this will have to get Mdot approval and 211 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:06,240 maybe ingham county road department? Don't remember. 212 00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:15,120 they'll have to get mdot approval. They've got this. 213 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:19,680 no, I take that back. So let me zoom out on the plan here. 214 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:27,000 they have an entrance off of their site from the north that comes in here, 215 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:37,600 and they have an entrance to the site off their property that comes in here. 216 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:42,640 they don't have any road cut on marsh road or grand river avenue, So I retract that last statement. 217 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:52,080 based on everything I'm telling you, we don't have wetlands, Storm water. 218 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:56,400 it's a developed site, so it's already paved over. 219 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:01,680 the applicant is here and they have a presentation that I hope we can get up. 220 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:06,120 we've been working on that. Staff has no other comment on this application and can answer Questions at this time. 221 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:14,280 any questions from the commissioners? Commissioner shrewsbury. 222 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:18,680 this may be a question for the applicant instead of staff, But I know there's a huntington bank that I think is in the like an outbuilding on the 223 00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:30,790 mall parking lot currently. Would this site replace that? I don't remember a huntington. I remember a comerica. 224 00:29:34,750 --> 00:29:38,070 I think there was a huntington, so. Oh, is there? There's one. Well, it used to be a. I'm sorry. 225 00:29:40,390 --> 00:29:40,390 I'm speaking out of order. Vice chair mccurtis. 226 00:29:44,590 --> 00:29:44,590 there's one that I thought was at admire and then there's. 227 00:29:50,350 --> 00:29:50,350 oh, okay. Another one that's near like that. 228 00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:58,550 yeah. I will let the applicant answer that question. Yeah. I was just curious if we're swapping one site for another or if this would be an Additional site. 229 00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:03,830 sure. I have a question. Commissioner brooks. 230 00:30:10,710 --> 00:30:10,710 for the mall pica that is connected here. So what does that mean for a development like This? 231 00:30:20,710 --> 00:30:20,710 does the pica impact anything? Not specifically. 232 00:30:28,940 --> 00:30:28,940 it doesn't specifically correlate to. If they were doing a multifamily development, It would 233 00:30:39,460 --> 00:30:39,460 be supported by the pica. If not, the underlying zoning is commercial. 234 00:30:44,900 --> 00:30:44,900 the pica certainly supports that. If you want to see more specifically what it says. 235 00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:50,500 you don't have to pull it up. I just wondered. Okay. No, If there was any clash with the master plan, 236 00:30:58,780 --> 00:31:00,900 staff would have noted that. Okay. All right. Thank you. Sure. Any other 237 00:31:10,380 --> 00:31:10,380 comments, questions for mr. Sharkey? Like I said, Applicant's here and they will have a presentation they want to do. 238 00:31:19,810 --> 00:31:19,810 do we have the presentation? Are we there? Yeah, I will turn it over and let him introduce himself. 239 00:31:28,290 --> 00:31:28,290 good evening. My name is carter sandstrom. I'm representing allegro civil engineers, Who's the civil engineer for the project. 240 00:31:34,690 --> 00:31:37,570 I'm going to take this time to just try to set up the. Go ahead. Dropbox link I've got here. 241 00:32:02,770 --> 00:32:02,770 wow. Oh my goodness. Satellites are linking up. 242 00:32:11,130 --> 00:32:11,130 continue with download only. Thank you. Just telling my colleague I need to get some new Glasses. 243 00:32:21,730 --> 00:32:21,730 okay. So 244 00:32:31,930 --> 00:32:31,930 this will be a brief presentation on the proposed huntington national bank located at the Corner of marsh road and grand river avenue. 245 00:32:42,010 --> 00:32:42,010 some brief highlights. A lot of these have been touched on previously by staff, But just wanted to highlight again our reduction in impervious area 246 00:32:52,330 --> 00:32:52,330 as well as our adherence to the strict interpretation of the zoning code. 247 00:32:59,410 --> 00:32:59,410 we are also planning to reduce the number of parking on site significantly from around 106 To, 248 00:33:04,890 --> 00:33:04,890 I believe, 33, which is between the code required minimum maximum. 249 00:33:12,130 --> 00:33:12,130 additionally, we are going to, as touched on briefly previously, We're going to maintain the existing access to the north of the site as well as 250 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:22,040 on the east side, which tie into an existing access road. 251 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:26,240 additionally, we are reducing the intensity, As we touched on previously. 252 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:31,280 and for stormwater treatment, we are coordinating with the ingham county drain Commissioner to provide stormwater detention for the project 253 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:41,240 for the requirements. Briefly, with regards to landscaping, We are going to be proposing to remove 3 12 inch dbh trees that 254 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:51,200 are located around like adjacent to the existing building on site. 255 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:55,240 and we're going to do a 1 to 1 replacement. So in their place, We're going to be adding some overstory trees as detailed in this landscaping plan 256 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:04,800 here. And the rest will just be some code standard landscaping installation. 257 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,630 and then here are some renderings of the project. This is the view looking, I believe, south. So as you can see, There are. 258 00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:24,710 well, this is just the front elevation here. Sorry, I really need some new glasses. 259 00:34:32,030 --> 00:34:34,710 and here is the view. Sorry. This is the south view. As you can see, there's the drive up area which would be on the left side. 260 00:34:39,710 --> 00:34:39,710 that's going to be the east side of the building. And then this little drive through on The left part of the image, 261 00:34:45,390 --> 00:34:45,390 there's going to be a remote. We're proposing a remote atm addition which is also detailed In our site plan. 262 00:34:53,630 --> 00:34:53,630 and here is a view of our floor plan. We also have the architect in attendance tonight, If you'd like to touch briefly on the project. 263 00:35:02,150 --> 00:35:02,150 sure. Okay. Pass it off. Thanks. If you can just identify yourself. 264 00:35:08,710 --> 00:35:08,710 sure. My name is josh gonzalez. I'm with the architecture firm who's the architect on this Project. 265 00:35:14,630 --> 00:35:14,630 so the question was floated earlier. If this is, You know, how this was impacting current branches, 266 00:35:20,270 --> 00:35:22,990 I believe some branches are moving into this. I'm not sure exactly how many, the bank would have to speak to that. 267 00:35:26,510 --> 00:35:26,510 I'm not privy to that information, but this building is essentially half branch, Half back office support. 268 00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:32,710 so here on the plan you can see the branch typical bank branch off to the left, Which includes offices, 269 00:35:38,750 --> 00:35:38,750 a teller station and safety deposit safe. And then on the right half of the plan are just Additional offices for some of the non-retail 270 00:35:49,350 --> 00:35:49,350 services that huntington offers. And if there are any questions on the exterior, Happy to talk about those as well. 271 00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:57,190 but that's what we have for the project. Questions? 272 00:36:08,070 --> 00:36:08,070 vice chair mccurtis. So I think it's apparent, But so you're going to tear down. 273 00:36:15,165 --> 00:36:15,165 the goal is to tear down the existing building? 274 00:36:21,220 --> 00:36:25,180 and then build a. Correct. Yeah. Not renovate, But. Okay. Correct. The new one would be significantly smaller than the current 275 00:36:34,740 --> 00:36:34,740 building then or about the same size? I don't recall how large the restaurant was, But. 276 00:36:39,612 --> 00:36:39,612 I can't give you a specific number. The new building as proposed is smaller. 277 00:36:44,180 --> 00:36:44,180 yes. Okay. Thank you. That's all I have. Thank you. 278 00:36:51,900 --> 00:36:51,900 any other questions? Commissioner brooks? I'm just curious about the number of drive thrus Here. 279 00:37:01,260 --> 00:37:01,260 so this is a bank at this corner position. And it's only here because of the drive Through. 280 00:37:07,700 --> 00:37:07,700 whenever I see a drive through bank, I very rarely see three spots filled up or any, For that 281 00:37:17,450 --> 00:37:17,450 matter. So the written letter that we got said that this is part of a redevelopment going Forward, 282 00:37:27,730 --> 00:37:27,730 and I'm just slightly skeptical that a bank right here on the corner with three drive Thrus is an excellent use of the 283 00:37:37,250 --> 00:37:37,250 space here. Can you speak to that at all? I can't speak to the business case end of 284 00:37:46,610 --> 00:37:46,610 why the bank proposes this many, like what they need for their business case. 285 00:37:53,250 --> 00:37:53,250 but I will say from experience that huntington prefers the. 286 00:37:57,530 --> 00:37:57,530 so the first two lanes in that three lane drive thru are what we refer to as the vat Lanes. 287 00:38:03,370 --> 00:38:03,370 the vacuum accessible tellers, I believe, is what the acronym stands for. 288 00:38:08,250 --> 00:38:08,250 the fun little vacuum tubes. And huntington, Their customer base tends to use those more frequently than some other banks because they 289 00:38:18,370 --> 00:38:18,370 have the face to face feature and a lot of their clientele prefer to go through the drive Through so they don't have to wrangle kids or, 290 00:38:24,290 --> 00:38:24,290 you know, some have disabilities that they can't get out of their cars easily. So they Feel strongly that those are necessary. 291 00:38:31,090 --> 00:38:31,090 and from my experience, I've seen those used pretty frequently at huntington branches. 292 00:38:35,770 --> 00:38:35,770 and the two additional lanes are for remote atms, Which again, from the bank standpoint is a safer alternative to having to park and then 293 00:38:44,210 --> 00:38:44,210 walk up to an atm at the building. So in terms of my previous experience with the client And seeing their use 294 00:38:54,130 --> 00:38:54,130 for the drive ups, I'd say this seems pretty typical, But again, I'd have to defer to the bank for the actual business case behind why they need 295 00:39:01,250 --> 00:39:01,250 that many. What's the anticipated traffic volume that comes through one of these lanes? 296 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:10,440 I don't have that information. Carter, do you know if you have that in the traffic Assessment? 297 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:25,920 so I think our average daily trips was around 940 which the initial use was around 1200. 298 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:36,440 I guess we don't have anything specifically like per each lane, But just overall the project proposes a decrease in traffic volumes. 299 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:49,160 all right. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Further questions from the commissioners? 300 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:02,120 so then this is what. I would formally open the public hearing. 301 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,590 I was just thinking that through. Okay. So thank you, Sir. You're all set. Thank you. And at this time, 07:14 p.m. 302 00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:14,550 I would open up for any public comment regarding sup 26009 huntington national bank. 303 00:40:22,230 --> 00:40:22,230 seeing none, I will close public comment at 7:14. 304 00:40:30,190 --> 00:40:30,190 any questions for mr. Shorkey? Seeing none. 305 00:40:40,390 --> 00:40:40,390 so we would do a straw poll. So for the commissioners obviously non-binding, But just intuitively with what we have in front of us, 306 00:40:50,110 --> 00:40:50,110 who would be in favor of granting the sup for huntington bank? 307 00:41:00,830 --> 00:41:00,830 that looks to be 5 to 2 roughly. So, staff will prepare the 308 00:41:10,420 --> 00:41:12,980 resolution accordingly. Very well, thank you, Mr. Shorkey, and we'll see that back in two weeks or at our next. 309 00:41:16,860 --> 00:41:16,860 that is correct. So the same idea. They can't make a vote tonight. 310 00:41:21,500 --> 00:41:23,820 I'll come back in two weeks. I'll give a resolution. This will be a resolution to approve. This is the approving body for the sup. 311 00:41:28,940 --> 00:41:31,580 at that point you'll be ready to apply for site plan. Okay. Yep. Thank you, gentlemen. And you are not required to stay, To reiterate. 312 00:41:38,460 --> 00:41:38,460 however, we do have robust discussion around chicken regulations that I hope it's not Robust. 313 00:41:48,900 --> 00:41:48,900 okay. All right. With that, unfinished business, We have 8.a. 314 00:41:54,260 --> 00:41:54,260 sup 26007 tailgaters. No changes since our presentation and our discussion two weeks ago. 315 00:42:03,660 --> 00:42:03,660 there is a resolution to approve the sup for a gas station 316 00:42:13,420 --> 00:42:13,420 restaurant with the drive thru and convenience store at 1614 and 1622 grand river and a Vacant parcel at central park drive. 317 00:42:22,620 --> 00:42:22,620 does comply with the master plan and future land use map conforms to the review criteria In 86-126, 318 00:42:30,980 --> 00:42:30,980 and they have agreed to comply with the conditions as listed in the resolution to approve. 319 00:42:38,580 --> 00:42:38,580 I move to adopt the resolution to approve special use permit number 26007 to allow the Construction of 320 00:42:48,540 --> 00:42:48,540 a tailgaters gas station restaurant with a drive thru and convenience store at 1614 and 1622 grand river avenue and a vacant parcel on central park drive, 321 00:42:58,420 --> 00:42:58,420 subject to the conditions found in the resolution to approve for the following reasons. 322 00:43:04,690 --> 00:43:04,690 the proposed tailgaters complies with township master plan and the future land use map. 323 00:43:11,130 --> 00:43:11,130 the proposed tailgaters conforms to the review criteria found in section 86 through 126 in The zoning ordinance, 324 00:43:19,250 --> 00:43:19,250 and the applicant has agreed to comply with conditions in the resolution to approve. 325 00:43:25,130 --> 00:43:25,130 support. So that was moved by vice chair mccurtis, Supported by commissioner mcconnell. 326 00:43:29,770 --> 00:43:33,690 all in favor. This is a roll call. Roll call vote. I apologize. Discussion first. Commissioner brooks. 327 00:43:37,850 --> 00:43:37,850 I guess my question is, so what are the conditions? 328 00:43:43,530 --> 00:43:43,530 they're in the resolution. Approval is granted in accordance with the application Materials submitted by the applicant. 329 00:43:53,930 --> 00:43:53,930 right there. There we go. It is required to be followed by site plan approval. 330 00:44:00,490 --> 00:44:00,490 the site plan is contingent upon the granting of a the variance by the zoning board of Appeals to increase the number of fuel stations from 10 to 6. 331 00:44:07,240 --> 00:44:07,240 they have made that application. These are pretty normal stock comments. 332 00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:15,160 any proposed future changes to the scope of the sup requires an amendment, And the applicant shall obtain any and all applicable permits, 333 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:23,280 license approvals from any of the other bodies. 334 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:29,520 that should not say new car wash. 335 00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:34,600 staff will amend that before I bring it back for signature. 336 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:39,280 that should say new gas station and restaurant with drive thru. 337 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:46,640 because those are the sups, gas station and the restaurant and the drive thru. 338 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:52,960 for the last conversations that we had, what I recall is that we had talked about Something about an increase above the 339 00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:02,680 parking maximum. I don't see anything about that as a condition. 340 00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:10,240 not that we had requested it, but. No. With the increase from 10 to 16 fueling stations That resulted in some. 341 00:45:19,240 --> 00:45:22,840 there's no parking maximum being triggered by this. There's there was a concern that they weren't making a parking minimum. 342 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:26,880 staff does not have that concern. Okay. So then the conversation about going above the Parking minimum 343 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,120 that we had talked about last time, they're fine. They went above the parking minimum. If if and I have confirmed since then, We do count the locations of the fuel stations as parking spots. 344 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:48,000 so staff has no concerns with the parking numbers. 345 00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:52,200 okay. All right. Thank you. Mmhm. Commissioner shrewsbury. 346 00:45:58,320 --> 00:45:58,320 did I see you with your hand? No. I was flagging the car wash. 347 00:46:02,950 --> 00:46:02,950 I remember seeing a car wash in that place. Sorry about that. 348 00:46:08,510 --> 00:46:08,510 it's an upcharge. All right, with that, our hearing. 349 00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:18,830 no further comments. Are we prepared for roll call vote? All right. Commissioner mcconnell. Yes. Commissioner snyder. Yes. 350 00:46:21,430 --> 00:46:24,030 commissioner shrewsbury. Yes. Vice chairman. Curtis. Yes. Commissioner. Brooks. Yes. Commissioner. Nahum. Yes. And the chair votes yes. 351 00:46:27,550 --> 00:46:27,550 okay. I'll get you a letter of approval in the in email. 352 00:46:36,910 --> 00:46:36,910 and you're free to proceed with site plan. And I know you've already applied for the Variance, 353 00:46:43,470 --> 00:46:43,470 so look forward to working with you. Great. Thank you all for your support. 354 00:46:47,630 --> 00:46:47,630 thank you. Thank you. Yes, absolutely, ma'am. 355 00:46:58,870 --> 00:46:58,870 see you later. And with that, we can move to item eight b under unfinished business, Which is z a number 26001. 356 00:47:07,340 --> 00:47:07,340 parking ordinance update. Mr. Shawkey. Staff will point out 357 00:47:17,500 --> 00:47:17,500 where. This was the change that you made at our 358 00:47:27,260 --> 00:47:27,260 last meeting. Number of parking spaces provided on any 359 00:47:37,100 --> 00:47:37,100 development with the exception of one family residential, Two family residential schools, 360 00:47:41,860 --> 00:47:41,860 child care centers, hospitals, or place of worship shall not exceed the minimum off street Parking requirements by more than 20%. 361 00:47:49,180 --> 00:47:49,180 and then you made this addition. This requirement may be waived if found to be in conflict With state or federal regulatory requirements. 362 00:47:56,420 --> 00:47:56,420 that is the only change made since the last meeting. 363 00:48:00,650 --> 00:48:00,650 staff has no further comment. Any comments from the commissioners? 364 00:48:07,530 --> 00:48:07,530 commissioner nahum. Yeah, I'm. I think given the feedback from the cia and some of the Other commissions, 365 00:48:17,290 --> 00:48:17,290 I'm uncomfortable with putting a restriction that I'm worried won't have a lot of positive Benefits. 366 00:48:25,410 --> 00:48:25,410 like it doesn't look like there are many businesses that are like overly producing parking And that this is adding a lot of it's going to generate a 367 00:48:35,410 --> 00:48:35,410 lot of variances that are reasonable. And so personally, I'm, I like a lot of the other changes that we're making to the site, 368 00:48:42,690 --> 00:48:42,690 but I'm still kind of concerned about also including this 20% parking maximum despite, You know, 369 00:48:48,330 --> 00:48:48,330 obviously, I would really like to reduce the amount of impervious surface and move forward On a lot of the environmental aspects of our master plan are kind of present in the idea 370 00:48:57,210 --> 00:48:57,210 of reducing the necessary or reducing the amount of parking allowed. 371 00:49:01,290 --> 00:49:01,290 but personally, given some of the feedback that we've gotten from staff and the other Commissions, 372 00:49:06,250 --> 00:49:06,250 I'm not currently in support of the 20% maximum. 373 00:49:12,050 --> 00:49:12,050 thank you commissioner. Any other comments? Commissioner shrewsbury. 374 00:49:18,370 --> 00:49:18,370 I guess reading it, as I know we've talked about this a lot, But reading it in stark red text here right in front of us again, 375 00:49:28,290 --> 00:49:28,290 that one gave me some pause too. And so I, I guess I, I know it's really important to some of us and 376 00:49:38,010 --> 00:49:38,010 I love to be reminded of, of why, but I feel like it's, It's a problem that has not proven to be an 377 00:49:47,930 --> 00:49:47,930 issue even in the absence of this language. And that could create a lot more work, I think, 378 00:49:54,330 --> 00:49:54,330 as commissioner nam said, for staff, if it were there and there were a need to, You know, 379 00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:01,840 I guess I'm trying to find the balance of showing our support for decreased amount of Impervious parking 380 00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:11,440 space, but also not creating a barrier for the times in which it's needed. 381 00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:17,000 and this having the waiver only if it's in conflict with state or federal does create a Whole lot of administrative work or work for the zoning board of appeals. 382 00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:28,400 if a change were needed. So I'm I mean, I would be in favor of removing it. 383 00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:34,200 it's not a hill I'm going to die on if everybody else is in favor of keeping it in there. 384 00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:38,760 but I do tend to agree with commissioner. Others. 385 00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:49,000 commissioner mcconnell. I'm also persuaded by commissioner nagin's comments and agree that We can do without that section. 386 00:51:02,870 --> 00:51:02,870 all right. Well, I'll jump in support of it. I appreciate what everybody's saying and that It, 387 00:51:10,790 --> 00:51:10,790 it, when we look at it like this, it feels restrictive and we generally don't like Restrictive things. 388 00:51:21,030 --> 00:51:21,030 there's actually science that shows that humans don't like subtracting things are hesitant To do that. 389 00:51:27,870 --> 00:51:27,870 so even removing the minimums is a subtraction from this document. 390 00:51:33,070 --> 00:51:33,070 and we don't like that. So I think the benefits here are that, Well, let me comment back on the cia and the, 391 00:51:43,150 --> 00:51:43,150 and the dda comments that were made when, when they originally were brought to us, Which I appreciate them bringing those forward and raising them. 392 00:51:55,110 --> 00:51:55,110 all the way that I see this is that all of our ordinances place some level of restriction Or 393 00:52:05,590 --> 00:52:05,590 guidance on every business and resident that comes here. 394 00:52:09,950 --> 00:52:09,950 so the way that I think about the parking parking maximum is a way to provide 395 00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:19,910 a mechanism for preventing parking over development. 396 00:52:25,790 --> 00:52:25,790 and what we had heard, I think, at least if I recall correctly, Is that this doesn't happen very often. 397 00:52:32,950 --> 00:52:32,950 usually people just build to whatever level is needed and then that's what moves forward. 398 00:52:41,630 --> 00:52:44,910 so I, I don't know if it will create variance requests. It very well could. My suspicion is that it won't. 399 00:52:49,670 --> 00:52:49,670 when I look at all of the parking that we have and think about the problems that is Created for us at the moment. 400 00:53:00,220 --> 00:53:00,220 that's what I think about is that there are lots of large parking lots that have led to Water movement problems within the township, 401 00:53:09,500 --> 00:53:09,500 and we try to address those now as we build out through the drain commission. 402 00:53:16,300 --> 00:53:16,300 and so that's how I was thinking about this. I think it does align with our master plan in That we want to create more sustainable 403 00:53:25,660 --> 00:53:25,660 communities and create more walkable communities that rely on vehicles a little less. 404 00:53:33,940 --> 00:53:33,940 and so this may try to encourage behavior in that way. 405 00:53:40,660 --> 00:53:40,660 however, saying all that I support this, I think there's lots of other mechanisms here in Here that do those things that I was describing. 406 00:53:52,490 --> 00:53:52,490 I would be in favor of moving it forward, though, And seeing what the board has to say about it. 407 00:54:00,410 --> 00:54:00,410 that's my take on this. 408 00:54:12,650 --> 00:54:12,650 any other questions? Comments. Question. If we want this section 409 00:54:22,530 --> 00:54:22,530 six be removed, then do we just send it back to staff so they can remove it and then look To adopt it? 410 00:54:32,090 --> 00:54:32,090 or can we just adopt it now with the promise that it'll be removed? 411 00:54:38,650 --> 00:54:38,650 or I mean, how what's the process? You can make a motion to adopt the resolution with the With the with the amendment to the 412 00:54:48,610 --> 00:54:48,610 ordinance. You could make that motion right now. 413 00:54:52,970 --> 00:54:52,970 you don't have to bring this back. But for that, I make a motion to adopt this. 414 00:55:03,450 --> 00:55:03,450 what's the resolution? Resolution? Gosh. With the amendment to remove section six b. 415 00:55:14,410 --> 00:55:17,290 so technically there was already a motion on the floor. There is a motion on the floor. I don't know, I didn't. 416 00:55:22,010 --> 00:55:22,010 didn't you move to adopt this and then somebody seconded and then no, That was the previous one. 417 00:55:30,170 --> 00:55:32,570 previous one. That was the one with the bank. All right. My bad. Sorry. Tailgaters. Tailgaters. 418 00:55:36,290 --> 00:55:36,290 procedurally, wouldn't it be cleaner to have a single vote on the amendment strike Striking that language? 419 00:55:43,370 --> 00:55:43,370 and then if we strike, move to strike that language, Then we could move to vote on the totality of the ordinance? 420 00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:53,080 yes, that is yes, you're correct. That is a good way to take this. So we move the I will let me remove my I'll take that. 421 00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,720 nobody seconded it. Yes. Oh that's true. Okay. So you can you can withdraw it. I'll withdraw it withdraws. 422 00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:05,000 and then somebody could make a motion to strike. 423 00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:09,200 so I'll make a motion to move. You need to move first and then someone moves amend to Amend it as part of our discussion. 424 00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:21,280 and then we vote on the amendment. And then we vote on the on the motion. Otherwise, what he was going to do would work just fine. 425 00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:23,680 also, unless we don't have support for that motion, In which case then it would fail and then we would go, 426 00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,800 I mean, the end result would be the same thing. Yeah. Okay. So in order to proceed, we would need a motion to adopt the ordinance, The resolution, 427 00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:41,640 the resolution. Sorry. It's okay. A motion to adopt the resolution. 428 00:56:47,510 --> 00:56:51,190 recommending approval. Yeah. Recommend approval. Recommending approval. And then we would get a second. 429 00:56:53,630 --> 00:56:53,630 and then there'd be a motion for an amendment to amend to strike that section. 430 00:56:59,110 --> 00:56:59,110 then we would vote on that, and then we would return to voting on the resolution as a Whole. 431 00:57:05,550 --> 00:57:05,550 very well. Commissioner nahum I'd like to make a motion to adopt the resolution Recommending the approval of zoning amendment 26001, 432 00:57:13,710 --> 00:57:16,790 in accordance with the revised draft ordinance language. You have a second. Second by commissioner shrewsbury. Okay. 433 00:57:23,430 --> 00:57:23,430 oh, I'd like to make a motion to strike the language in section six b support. 434 00:57:31,830 --> 00:57:31,830 all right. And so at this point then we would do a roll call vote for just the amendment. 435 00:57:36,030 --> 00:57:36,030 yes. And so with that so this is this vote will be solely based solely for the amendment Striking section six b commissioner 436 00:57:45,660 --> 00:57:45,660 support commissioner brooks. Yeah. Oh, wait. No no, No. 437 00:57:52,060 --> 00:57:54,260 may I ask a question before we continue? Sorry. Commissioner. Commissioner snyder. I'm sorry, But I understand the vote on the amendment, 438 00:57:59,580 --> 00:58:03,140 and then we're going to vote again after that. You're voting on the resolution after the amendment? Yes. 439 00:58:06,620 --> 00:58:10,100 okay, I got it. There's a motion and an amendment motion. I got it. I'm with you. I would have went the other way. 440 00:58:13,780 --> 00:58:13,780 but everybody we're moving, we're moving. So we have support from commissioner nahum. 441 00:58:20,220 --> 00:58:23,980 we have opposition from commissioner brooks support. And then we'll go down to commissioner mcconnell. Yes. Commissioner snyder. No. 442 00:58:27,980 --> 00:58:27,980 commissioner shrewsbury. Yes. And the chair votes yes. 443 00:58:34,180 --> 00:58:34,180 for the amendment. So the amendment to remove six b has has support. 444 00:58:40,980 --> 00:58:40,980 yes. Okay. Motion anymore? So now if you. Now you've got the resolution. 445 00:58:48,660 --> 00:58:51,700 motion before the resolution motion. Correct. Yes. Regarding. Okay. So now we're moving to vote on the resolution as a whole. 446 00:58:59,100 --> 00:59:02,220 after the striking of six b commissioner. Nahum. Yes. Commissioner brooks. Yes. Vice chair mccurtis. 447 00:59:05,740 --> 00:59:08,460 yes. Commissioner mcconnell. Yes. Commissioner snyder. Yes. Commissioner shrewsbury. Yes. And the chair votes yes. So that was I think just a note of Parliamentary procedure 448 00:59:18,180 --> 00:59:18,180 that will appear in our minutes in a way that will make it very clear to the township Board that we all think this is a good thing to move forward. 449 00:59:25,620 --> 00:59:25,620 but there was a significant discussion about, Hey, that thing, oh, they're going to know there was a significant discussion. 450 00:59:33,980 --> 00:59:37,660 so thanks for hanging with us on that process. Yes. All right. Mr.. You have a clear record on that? 451 00:59:41,460 --> 00:59:41,460 yes. All not a problem with that. Z 826001. Is finished for the night. 452 00:59:48,250 --> 00:59:48,250 and with that we can move on to z 26002. Chicken regulation update. 453 00:59:53,530 --> 00:59:53,530 here we go. Standing. Standing in the orchard. 454 00:59:58,690 --> 00:59:58,690 staff has no further comment on this except to say there's a resolution recommending Approval in your packet. We have feathered this in quite a bit and several meetings. 455 01:00:06,930 --> 01:00:06,930 and commissioner nahum, I'd like to make a motion to adopt the resolution recommending Approval of zoning amendment 26002. 456 01:00:15,210 --> 01:00:15,210 in accordance with the revised draft ordinance language moved by commissioner nahum. 457 01:00:19,370 --> 01:00:19,370 do we have a second? Second. Looking at the second by vice chair mccurtis, How about we'll go commissioner snyder. 458 01:00:26,650 --> 01:00:26,650 I gotta get on the board here. We gotta go. Commissioner, It's your last meeting, so well, 459 01:00:32,930 --> 01:00:32,930 yeah, just this once. You were. It's not a competition. 460 01:00:39,770 --> 01:00:43,360 oh, oh, boy. All right. With that, we'll do a roll call. Vote. Commissioner nahum. Yes. Commissioner brooks. 461 01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:48,640 yes. Vice chairman. Curtis. Yes. Commissioner mcconnell. Yes. Commissioner snyder. Yes. Commissioner shrewsbury. Yes. And the chair votes. Yes. Okay. 462 01:00:58,480 --> 01:00:58,480 there. I am pleased to announce we have finished our unfinished business for the night. 463 01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:05,440 and with that, we'll move on to nine a the addition, Which is for commissioner snyder. 464 01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:16,560 this is your last meeting, as I understand. Yes. And I believe we have a resolution mr. Chalky is bringing up. 465 01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:21,480 or mr. Mcconnell and whoever wants to handle it. 466 01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:26,040 commissioner shrewsbury would like to having served with you for a long time. 467 01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:31,240 I'm so sorry to hear this, but we'd like to move a resolution tribute of appreciation for Commissioner christina snyder for outstanding public service. 468 01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:41,680 may I read it? You may. Oh, wait. Do we need a second first, Or would you like me to read it? No. The whole thing. Read it all. And then. 469 01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:47,040 and then we'll get to parliamentary procedure. Okay. Get on. Oh. 470 01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:51,280 thank you. Whereas during christina snyder began her public service in the township Starting in 2021, 471 01:01:57,320 --> 01:01:57,320 when she was appointed to the planning commission. And whereas, During her five year tenure as planning commissioner, 472 01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:02,520 miss snyder has ably represented her interests of the interests of this planning Commission and the city citizens of meridian township, 473 01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:09,600 also serving as the planning commission secretary and vice chair, And serving on the meridian township transportation commission. 474 01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:16,280 and whereas, commissioner snyder worked tirelessly to advance and achieve the goals and Objectives adopted by this commission and the township board, 475 01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:24,120 selflessly contributing valuable focus, perspective, Insight and energy to our most challenging efforts and subsequent accomplishments to the 476 01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:32,720 decision making process and where and whereas, On april 27th, 2026, commissioner snyder ended her tenure as a planning commissioner on 477 01:02:41,550 --> 01:02:41,550 the meridian township planning commission. Now, Therefore, be it resolved by the township planning commission of the charter township of 478 01:02:48,230 --> 01:02:48,230 meridian, ingham county, michigan, wishes to publicly to recognize, Commend and thank christina snyder for invaluable contributions to and impacts on the work 479 01:02:58,190 --> 01:03:01,430 of this commission and the quality of life in this community. This commission is grateful for your outstanding public service and wishes you well in Your future pursuits. 480 01:03:06,950 --> 01:03:06,950 be it further resolved that the township planning commission of the charter township of Meridian, 481 01:03:11,190 --> 01:03:11,190 ingham county, michigan, hereby adopts this tribute of appreciation to planning Commissioner christina snyder as presented. 482 01:03:18,430 --> 01:03:18,430 thank you. Support. Thank you. And so at that point, We would comment. 483 01:03:24,470 --> 01:03:24,470 I'm really sorry. Yeah, I, I want to stay on. 484 01:03:31,230 --> 01:03:31,230 and it's a it's a practice for me in just. Life balance. 485 01:03:42,060 --> 01:03:42,060 you know, it just doesn't it doesn't seem to get less busy as children get older. 486 01:03:49,140 --> 01:03:49,140 quite to the contrary. I've really enjoyed serving on the commission and this took me a Very long time to make this 487 01:03:58,620 --> 01:03:58,620 decision. So but I've, I've really enjoyed working with everybody and being here for so Many years. 488 01:04:05,100 --> 01:04:08,460 I can't believe it's been five years. Oh my gosh. It's really been just a joy, honestly, to be able to serve with fellow commissioners and Just get to see the updates in this community and be a part of that 489 01:04:17,980 --> 01:04:17,980 process. So yeah, I've appreciated my time and my work with all of you. 490 01:04:22,300 --> 01:04:22,300 so thank you. If you find yourself with an empty nest, Please come back. 491 01:04:26,340 --> 01:04:26,340 oh yeah. I think that there will be service to meridian township in the future at a future Date. 492 01:04:32,540 --> 01:04:32,540 I just got to get through the high school years and that kind of thing. 493 01:04:37,380 --> 01:04:37,380 yeah. Thank you. So I'd imagine that is a unanimous motion. 494 01:04:44,340 --> 01:04:44,340 is there any opposition? We have to roll call, Vote on a resolution. 495 01:04:50,740 --> 01:04:53,460 it is a resolution. We do have to. So we do have to roll. We have a roll call resolution. I was going to wonder what you were going to do. 496 01:04:57,060 --> 01:04:59,620 commissioner. Nahum yes. Commissioner brooks yes. Vice chairman. Curtis. Yes. Commissioner mcconnell. Abstain. 497 01:05:06,420 --> 01:05:10,100 commissioner shrewsbury. Yes. And the chair votes yes. Thank you. If you guys all wait after we close, I'll run that upstairs. 498 01:05:15,940 --> 01:05:15,940 I'll fill it out. I'll bring it down for a signature and we'll frame it. 499 01:05:20,460 --> 01:05:23,980 and if people want pictures and stuff, we. You know, That'd be nice. Oh, that's so nice to do that. Thanks. Sorry to keep you all. 500 01:05:29,860 --> 01:05:29,860 new chair runs a pretty efficient meeting. Yeah, I tried to after I stumble over parliamentary procedure and voting. 501 01:05:36,530 --> 01:05:36,530 but you know, it's hard. Yeah. Occasionally things, You know, I remember things with that. 502 01:05:42,130 --> 01:05:42,130 we can move on to reports and announcements. Township board update. Mr.. Chalky, Do we have one? The at their next meeting, 503 01:05:49,050 --> 01:05:49,050 the board's getting ready to take action on the rezoning and the capstone rezoning Application. 504 01:05:59,330 --> 01:05:59,330 that's everything I recall. Seeing coming up very well. 505 01:06:03,650 --> 01:06:06,810 we have liaison reports who is liaising these days. Zba has not met since our last meeting. Very well. 506 01:06:10,050 --> 01:06:10,050 commissioner mcconnell do you liaise? You just seem to know what's going on. 507 01:06:15,690 --> 01:06:15,690 the environmental commission has not met since we last met. There was quite a nice turnout At the recycling event. 508 01:06:22,810 --> 01:06:22,810 even though the weather was a bit chilly, there were plenty of people lining up in, The dumpsters were filling and trucks were filling. And it's always really encouraging to 509 01:06:31,610 --> 01:06:31,610 see our township volunteers out there directing traffic and getting junk out of people's Homes and on its way to recycling. 510 01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:39,880 very good. Any other liaison reports? Brownfield was canceled last time. 511 01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:52,440 in that case, project updates. I did not see that on the agenda. So we can move forward. I thought I put a report in the packet. 512 01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:55,640 the last page. Sorry. It's. Just a single page this time. 513 01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:01,480 but it is in there. There is a restroom. Oh, I missed that. 514 01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:05,600 yes. Yeah, that's. I saw an article today, I think in or recently lsj. 515 01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:13,360 there's something else opening. I don't know if it's a food truck moving into a brick and Mortar. 516 01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:21,960 and it's going to be in okemos. I think it's going to be in the old the way they described It, 517 01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:27,040 it looked like it was going to the old tante, Which would only make me sad because tante should have stayed. But obviously that was not 518 01:07:34,150 --> 01:07:34,150 possible. All right. With that, we have item 12 public remarks. 519 01:07:40,750 --> 01:07:40,750 do we have any public remarks? Hearing none. Commissioner comments. 520 01:07:49,590 --> 01:07:53,030 congratulating commissioner nahum on becoming a father. Congratulations. Yes. I just have an observation that when I first joined the planning commission. 521 01:08:00,390 --> 01:08:00,390 it's been a while now. I think I was one of the few people on it who wasn't retired. 522 01:08:05,110 --> 01:08:08,805 and now I feel like an old person. You know. And having full time jobs. And I mean, especially what you were saying about life balance, 523 01:08:13,830 --> 01:08:13,830 it is really impressive that we have a group here who has full time jobs and other family Responsibilities and still manages to make 524 01:08:23,750 --> 01:08:23,750 it to meetings twice a month and do the work behind the scenes to research. 525 01:08:28,350 --> 01:08:28,350 and so I just want to say, I appreciate all of you. 526 01:08:33,190 --> 01:08:35,910 especially those of you with the little ones that I know. That's a lot. So thank you. Can I also comment? 527 01:08:39,150 --> 01:08:42,590 I saw commissioner brooks coaching his. I assume your daughter's soccer game. It was. Yes. That is also a lot of work. Yes. 528 01:08:46,430 --> 01:08:46,430 I was watching the one and a half year old while coaching the six year old who was Refusing to do anything. 529 01:08:53,192 --> 01:08:53,192 typical. My daughter was on the other team and you did a fantastic job. 530 01:08:57,310 --> 01:08:57,310 how's that? All right. Well, thank you. Any other commissioner comments? 531 01:09:02,310 --> 01:09:02,310 I just wanted to say that it's been a pleasure serving on the commission with you, Commissioner snyder, 532 01:09:07,550 --> 01:09:07,550 and I wish you the best. Thank you. I appreciate all of you. 533 01:09:11,790 --> 01:09:11,790 thank you so much. Thank you. And with that, I would entertain a motion to adjourn. 534 01:09:20,470 --> 01:09:24,230 so moved. Second. Second. And all in favor? Aye. I. We are closed at 7:43.