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All right. I'd like to welcome everybody to the July 21st, 2025 town council regular meeting.

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I'd like to go ahead and call this meeting to order at 531. I will go ahead and do the invocation.

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Give me one second. I'd written it down.

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All right. If you'd mind your heads.

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Heavenly Father, we gather today mindful of the weighty, excuse me, responsibilities placed

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upon us as Cargill Town Council. We ask for your wisdom and guidance as we

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deliberate on matters that impact the lives of our citizens, grant us clarity of thought,

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discernment in our decisions, and a spirit of unity as we work together for the betterment

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of our community. Help us hear and listen to all voices to consider the needs of every resident

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and to act with integrity and compassion. May our decisions reflect your divine purpose

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this and lead to a more just and prosperous town for all.

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Amen.

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OK, if you would mind joining me for the pledges.

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Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America

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and to the republic for which it stands,

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one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty

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and justice for all.

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Honor to the Texas flag, our pledge allegiance

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to thee, Texas, one state, under God,

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one and indivisible.

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All right, that brings us to the open forum.

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Ms. McComis, do we have any?

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Nope.

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One.

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I have Ms. Dela Shaw.

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The $1 show.

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About two months ago, I came to you and asked for a sign to be put on Harriet Lane because

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of people running through my fence.

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And I just wanted to thank you because I left home this morning when I came home.

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There was a sign on Harriet Lane now showing a double curve.

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I still wish we had that sign up that's the unenforceable speed limit of 20 miles per hour.

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But maybe this sign will take care of that problem.

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I just wanted to thank you for getting that done.

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Even if you didn't sign up, is there anybody else in the audience that would like to speak?

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Going once, twice.

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All right.

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We'll close the open forum, which brings us to the consent agenda.

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I would like to go ahead and remove item number 3 and 7 for the councils.

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Any other ones that you would like to have separate consideration for?

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I'd like to make a motion to approve the consent agenda with the exceptions of item 3 and item 7.

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I'll second.

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All right.

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A motion and a second.

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All those in favor?

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Aye.

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Anyone opposed?

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All right.

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Motion carries.

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Number three, consider approval of ordinance 2025-26, authorizing a funding request for

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the Argonne Crime Control Prevention District to purchase five speed monitoring devices

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for all traffic solutions and five decorative poles for centerline supply, from centerline

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supply for the use of Argonne Police Department.

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The only clarification, I guess maybe it would have to be you, Chief, because I don't

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see a town manager.

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Are those for Argao or areas outside of Argao, like the ETJ?

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Argao.

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Argao.

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That's all I need to know.

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So having said that, that was the only clarification and look for a motion to approve item number

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three.

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Mr. Mayor, I'll make a motion to approve item number three on the consent agenda as

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presented.

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I'll second that.

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All right.

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Got a motion and a second.

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All those in favor?

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Aye.

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All right, anybody oppose?

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All right, motion carries.

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The item number seven, it was really intended

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to give our town manager a little bit of credit.

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I don't see him here, so I'm gonna go ahead

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and pinch hit for him.

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But essentially what item seven comes down to

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is we, he had a bid, I'm going by memory,

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maybe Bobby, you might remember.

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You wanna step up, please?

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I think the original bid was $46,000, $47,000 for the amount of work, and then just...

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I don't want to speak for you, but anytime you get into doing redo work and things like that,

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things creep up and you all found other things that really needed to be tend to, right?

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Yes, sir. As we started removing panels that were busted, we realized other areas

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that we're taking on rainwater and anything like that to get underneath the panels that

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we were originally hoping could be left.

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What was discovered out of it is an entire point A to point B that really needs to be

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done for it to be a lasting repair.

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That's what this is asking.

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Consistencies from what I think you would like to see normally.

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help me out. Compaction, the thickness of the concrete that's existing, we found it

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ranging anywhere from three inches to six and a half inches. But quite a few areas

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are only around three inches thick.

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And was the rebar thick enough or was it

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subpar? I actually found two different sizes of rebar and some of the stuff

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removed. Some of it is what is ideal and some of it is smaller. The concrete that's

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there was actually breaking extremely talky and brittle. It was breaking

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very easy, but we found records of the concrete that was poured previously and

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it's a very low PSI, low strength concrete. So what we're planning on

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going back with in this entire repair is a much stronger concrete that they

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can hold up to the type of traffic that travels.

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Would six inches be the standard thickness, minimum?

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Six inches is a standard minimum.

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And the PSI was subpar, too, right?

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Yes.

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Right now, what the current As-Built plan

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say was 3,000 PSI concrete that was put down,

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both sidewalks, 3,000 PSI.

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What the contractor is putting back right now is 5,000.

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And 4,000 is good for a roadway, many places that's what your standard roadways are, but

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3,000, especially not for the aperture.

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And what Bobby is pointing to there in that picture on your right, that's essentially

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the seam between the north and the south, which there wasn't any connection, any rebar

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connecting the two, that's why they were opening it up.

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And actually, Mike had taken, I don't know what it is, some kind of rubbery filler thing

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that he was going to actually show us, but anyway.

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It's basically the stuff that you use to fill cracks in the ground.

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There's probably close to 200 feet long out there that's almost three inches wide.

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So some of it's gone.

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Some of it, as you can see in that picture, was filled in with grout.

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other areas where it was actually filled in with crack-sealed material. It's

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basically a rubber consistency that's heated up to fill a crack but it was

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three inches wide, five inches deep of crack-sealed. So all that would be

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removed along with these panels and new concrete would be going down,

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butted up against the existing eastbound lane and it will be dalled in.

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and they'll drill holes in the existing endow it together

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to where it's joined the way it's supposed to

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and then seal the top once the concrete.

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You know, just that thought.

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I drive that quite frequently.

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There are several drill sites along the French town

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being kind of a collector.

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And they haul water, water tanks from disposal.

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That's a lot of weight on that concrete.

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Yes, sir.

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Is six inches adequate for the heavy traffic?

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Six inches should be fine. I mean the road that's there it's it's held up for at least 13 years

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Down so that's actually surprising

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With what's there that it held up that long

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But six inch thick with the proper psi and it should be fine, but if we went

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If we went thicker it would increase things we'd have to remove some of the soil because you still want the top of it

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to be at the top of the other lane.

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So that would increase trying to remove more dirt from this lane.

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They can up.

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Bobby, you want to reflect on, and you

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can see it in actually both pictures in the distance

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on the right-hand side in the left corner.

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That's a light system that controls the traffic

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and your feelings were?

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You'll notice we did do temporary traffic signals

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on this project instead of detours,

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while detours are maybe a little bit cheaper to do. They would have had to

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detour traffic all the way back to Gibbons. Gibbons back to 407, 407 down to

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377, get back to Frenchtown. This temporary traffic signal seems to be

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working pretty well. Now it was a little bit for everybody to get used to it the

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first couple days but it's actually it actually seems to be going really smooth.

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There's actually an intersection, a T intersection in the middle of the closure of Indian Trail.

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There's also a temporary traffic signal on that road.

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Fall works off of sensors and timeframe of the speed limit and the length space between

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them.

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So it has so many seconds of green light, so many seconds of red light to clear traffic

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out for other turns green.

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When a car pulls up trying to leave Indian Trail from that residential cul-de-sac, it

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Clicks a sensor that tells the other lights they need to turn red to give traffic from our residential area time to get out

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It must be going pretty smoothly

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So that worked really well because last time

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We had all kinds of issues. We had to call for police backup so to speak to

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Kind of monitor some other ones that didn't want to listen to the signage

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So anyway, the whole point was to give you an opportunity to shine here. He's done an awesome job one

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And two, anytime that we start doing projects like this,

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I think we have to be aware it's like opening up a wall.

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You just don't know what you're gonna find, right?

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And so the fact that we're adding to this original budget,

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I still think it's very, very cost effective.

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We're gonna fix French Town.

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It's hopefully gonna last another 20 years.

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And Gustave, I know you've been wanting to

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show more actual projects out there.

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So this is the very first.

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I don't want to get ahead of ourselves, but I know Mike has, I think, a million six for road construction for the next FY, so

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Anyway, any last words or sir all right doing awesome job. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. All right

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If there's no question look for a motion for item number seven

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Mr.. Mayor make a motion that we

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That we approve item number seven on the con consent agenda as written

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Second.

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Okay, got a motion and a second. All those in favor?

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Aye.

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Anyone opposed? All right. That brings us to the public hearing number eight.

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Public hearing concern to take and take action on ordinance 2025-22 amending TDS 25-004 to article three

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zoning of the town, Argo Town Development Standard regarding amendments to section 14.3.34

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single-family residential estate, one zoning district, and other related

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provisions in the town development standards. Mr. Harrison. All right, thank

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you, Mayor. So this item is a public hearing that was brought before you. It

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came before you as open forum item. This was something that a resident spoke

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about. And one of the takeaways from that was to bring it to P&Z to

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discuss the amendment and then to Town Council so that's what we're that's what

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this item is for tonight is to discuss a potential amendment to the section 14

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334 single-family residential estate one zoning district so this is a

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residential zoning district that requires a minimum of one acre and so

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the amendment has already been discussed by the Planning and Zoning

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Commission, they recommended approval with the condition that it be allowed only by issuance

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of an SUP, so a specific use permit.

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This ordinance language that you see here is the language that's currently proposed with

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the condition from the PNZ Commission added in there, so you can see on the first line

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a property zone to SF1 may be allowed only by issuance of an SUP to have the usual

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farm animals as defined under the Farm General's Livestock Branch Use.

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And then further down in that paragraph, to clarify, I used the same language that was

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a part of the SF2.5 and the Ag Zoning Districts.

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So those zoning districts are larger.

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They already require or they already allow livestock and ranch animals.

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So I just used that same language.

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And then further down in the paragraph it says, so long as the property has a

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minimum one and a half acres of land available for grazing, excluding property

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use for structures and other non-ag uses, and follows section 2.01.014, the code

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of ordinances for the one animal unit per acre. So that language, the difference is

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www.youtube.com

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It's one and a half acres of land available for grazing as opposed to two and a half.

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So that was the big difference for SF1. It's that if we're going to allow livestock

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animals on SF1's own property, you have to have a bigger threshold of one and a half

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acres as opposed to just one acre. But the matrix is still the same. So if you

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have a horse and you want one, you want to bring your horse to your SF1's

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own property, it would still be one acre per horse. You would still, even

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Even though if you have one horse, the minimum is one acre in the matrix, but you would still

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be required to have one and a half acres of grazing land.

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So it makes the threshold a little harder for SF1 properties.

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I think that's a good thing just because we want to make sure that those properties

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have enough land and that the goal is not to put animals on small properties.

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You know, so I think one and a half acres is a reasonable ask.

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And then the second paragraph, it talks about private animal lots or stables may be allowed

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only by issuance of an SQP and subject to the following standards.

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Those standards are the same standards that we have for the SF2.5 and the Ag Zoning

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District so nothing changes with that with the exception of one and a half acres as

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referenced as opposed to two and a half acres.

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So those are the big changes, and then in the staff report you'll see, I believe it's page 159.

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That is a section that was previously in SF1 that talks about standards of commercial,

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for commercial animal lots and stables that we're proposing to delete, to remove,

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because oddly enough you had these standards for commercial stables in SF1,

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and we didn't even allow livestock and ranch animals in SF1, so it was kind of funny that

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it was there, so we just decided to remove that one.

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As far as SF1, to give you a sense of where it is in the town and how big they are, there

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aren't that many.

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Of the areas that are zoned SF1, I've highlighted here, so you can see how it shifts.

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I've put little red lines around the properties that are zoned SF1 so you

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can see some notable neighborhoods if you've lived here long like Rolling

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Acres, Shadowwood Estates, Bin Boyd Road, you have the Shenandoah Court area, the

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north side of old Justin Road, Surrey Lane. So these are areas that are zoned

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Only a small fraction of the number of those lots actually have enough land to allow for livestock and ranch animals.

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So even though looking at the map it doesn't look like much so you would take even less than that.

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So maybe about 10% of these lots are even eligible to have the size requirement for grazing land to have a horse or livestock or ranch animals.

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So it's pretty limited.

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I think the overall goal is to allow those lots that have the space to have ranch and livestock animals, but also

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Making sure that

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Areas that are next to them are not going to be impacted. They still have to have the space

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They still have to have the setbacks as far as ag structures. Those don't change at all from the zoning districts

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I said 2.5 an ag it's still

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50 feet from the property line for ag structures

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and then 100 feet from nearby residents

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for any ag related use, like piles of manure or feed

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or any of that stuff.

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It still has to be 100 feet away.

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And so are there any questions about this map

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before I go on?

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So again, the recommendation from the PNZ

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from their meeting on July 9th

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was a recommendation of approval

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with the condition may be allowed only by issuance of an SUP.

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So this was done, I think the Planning and Zoning Commission

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wanted to ensure that they had control

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over the types of animals, the lot that was requesting

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the use, so that was the reason for adding that condition

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to make it a specific use permit.

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It does add an extra level of bureaucracy,

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so to speak, it's still a public hearing,

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it'll still require the applicant to pay the application fee for that so it

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overall the amount of enforcement that we're doing on other properties that are

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SF 2.5 and ag we're doing that today you know we get complaints not regularly but

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occasionally where someone will say we have too many animals on a property so

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we'll go and investigate and if we find out that there are too many animals

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will tell that property owner that they have to get rid of some of them so

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Typically, it's larger animals like cattle, horses.

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I don't think I've ever received a complaint

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for the number of chickens, because I

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think they'll have to have like 1,000 for them

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to be in violation.

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But overall, this is a public hearing.

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It's an ordinance amendment.

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So I believe we have a couple of people here

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to speak on that if they wish to.

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But otherwise, I'm here to answer questions.

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Harrison, you pointed out last time, I think.

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and how many actual lots there were.

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Do you remember the number of SF1?

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Well, of properties that are zoned SF1,

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I said it was approximately 100.

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100.

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So, you know, and I think, I don't know,

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I thought we talked about it once,

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but I think it's a great idea from an SUP

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because we have one code enforcement guy.

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And for him to, I mean, he knows the area pretty well,

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but it's unfair to him to run around and see that,

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oh, they have enough room and it's grazeable

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and they have setbacks.

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So I think it gives the opportunity for folks to enjoy that land to its fullest, but at

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the same time, we do monitor what's going on.

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But having said that, if there's no other questions, are there, Dr. Herman?

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I'm sorry, go ahead.

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I was just going to ask, did we get any responses from the neighboring, or did we

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have to do?

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No, because it's not a specific.

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It's to the standards.

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Okay.

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Sorry about that.

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Thank you.

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That's coming.

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Harrison, when it said one and a half acres, excluding other structures, I suppose excluding

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would be a residence and things of that sort.

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That's right.

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Okay.

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So anything on the land that would be the main house, accessory structures, a pool,

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all of that would have to be in excess.

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You would have to have a barn as well.

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A barn.

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Okay.

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You would have to have one and a half acres of grazeable land.

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so it has to be land that animals can munch on.

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So I wouldn't classify a single family home

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with accessory structures in a pool

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and the grass around there to count

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as far as the grazeable land.

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All right, well, if there's no one for the question,

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we'll go ahead and open the public hearing at 553.

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Right, hello, everyone.

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While I understand the primary reason

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for PNZ's proposal of requiring,

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Oh, I'm sorry, I always forget that.

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Amelia Thompson, 180 Hartpole, Rd West.

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So while I understand the primary reason

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for PNZ's proposal for requiring an SUP

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by way of enabling them the opportunity

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to understand what animals and what land would be used,

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my position is to not proceed with requiring an SUP

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at least initially.

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Instead, I'm in support of keeping the original proposed,

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a proposal of incorporating the language for SF1 zoned properties that have one-and-a-half

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acre minimum that would allow animals to be on that set property as defined by the farm's

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general use chart matrix.

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In discussion with Harrison and as he's highlighted, the reach of this for us in

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changing this SF1 zoning regulation is predominantly housing additions, which would be sanctioned

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by HOAs and is likely more limited

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than even how we're defining it today.

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I would be remiss if I also didn't highlight

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that another fellow Argyle resident stood up

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during the PNZ, the July 9th PNZ meeting

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who was also in favor of just proceeding forward

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with the SF1 zoning revisions,

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stating similar reasoning.

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Another piece that I highlighted

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during the PNZ committee meeting on July 9th

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was that the one and a half acre requirement

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actually goes above and beyond the one acre

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to one large animal requirement

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that the SF2 and a half land is privy to

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which leads to my next point

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and that SF2 and a half zone properties

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are not required to go through the process of an SUP

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where they have to prove that they have one acre

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for every large animal

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that those same properties have to get approval for that SUP.

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Personally, we've already done the rezoning process.

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I'm challenged by, yet again, this SUP requirement being included as part of the SF1 revisions,

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which is another process with associated risks, additional costs of its own

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versus just allowing it based on the property size

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as it's been defined.

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That being said, I am in favor of pushing forward

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the SFZO Anyone Regulations as initially proposed

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and this would in turn support families like my own

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to be able to have animals on their property

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as defined by the Farm's General Use Chart Matrix

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that deepens work ethic

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and furthers sharing agriculture

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and equestrian passions in our day to day ways of life.

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And so I'll just leave it as perhaps consider

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proceeding forward with not requiring the SUP and then if it does become an

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issue then implementing an SUP as part of the process. Thank you.

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Is there anybody

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else?

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Okay then we'll close the public hearing at 5.56 and look for

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deliberation from the council.

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Anybody have any thoughts?

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Just one, Amelia? I just wanted to make sure I got that right. We should name this ordinance

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after you don't have to get up. This is all just compliments. You guys are shepherding

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this all the way through. We understand the incredible amount of patients it takes

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and so I think this is the right direction to go for y'all's property and the three

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or four SF1s that are big enough to support this.

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So it's the right thing to do, and it's a pain.

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And we appreciate your guys' patience pushing it forward.

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Yeah, I would concur with Council Member Stewart's.

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I wish there was a cheaper version of doing it,

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if there was such a way of doing it,

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take the cost factor away.

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But I still think, and Amelia, if I may call you that,

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We have seen some things firsthand.

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Unfortunately, I'm sure you're not,

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you're going to take care of the animals just great,

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but unfortunately that hasn't always been the case.

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I think the logic about the two and a half

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is just the fact that two and a half is, there's a lot.

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I mean, a house is going to be,

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it's not even going to take a fraction of that,

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nor the pool, the hardscape, all of that.

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And so there, the probability that you're going to have

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at least one acre per animal is much,

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much greater in that sense.

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But there is no perfect scenario. You have to come up with some rules, right?

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So anyway, if I look for other...

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Just real quick, let me jump back on this.

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You know, theirs is the most scrutinized property that will ever be scrutinized under this little amendment

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because we've been studying it for six months now.

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If there was a way to grandfather theirs in to approve it without an S.U.P.

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and then make anything going forward require an S.U.P.

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because, like I say, they've been scrutinized as much as anybody will ever be scrutinized

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for this, because they've been, like I say, they've had it up in front of P&Z two or three

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times.

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They've changed the zoning.

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It's been well, like I say, I can't imagine studying it anymore for them.

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I would love, personally, I would love to accommodate them without the SHP.

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My only concern would be in terms of legalities would be if you do it without the SHP,

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right now, and then you're trying to change the tone somewhere down the road, how do you

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accommodate and resolve that conflict at that point in time?

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So Harrison, when you look at this SUP requirement, I mean it's pretty quick. There's not a whole

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lot of math that has to be done, right?

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No, not really. I think overall it's time because it takes 60 days from turning in the

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application, going through the public hearing process, and then it's cost, you

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know, an SUP costs a thousand dollars. So if anyone wants to put their horse on

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their property, you got to say, hey, you need to pay a thousand dollars before you

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can even know if you can do it. And for some people that's going to be cost

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prohibitive. So Brenda, is there a way to have like an ag SUP? So the only way

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to allow the, I'll call her the applicant because really this is her request, is to

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approve the text change without the SUP requirement.

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There's been no notice and a hearing that would allow us to grant an SUP to her tonight.

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So if you have the SUP requirement, she would have to go through that process.

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But as far as a cost factor, is there a way to have a tiered, like an ag SUP fee?

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I suppose there is. You set a fee schedule every year with the budget and you can create new categories of fees.

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So the point I'm getting at.

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The logic, though, would be that the staff time required to process it is less than a regular SUP.

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And so what I'm getting at councilmember steward is the fact likelihood that PNZ is going to

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prove it is almost certain. I can't speak for the council here, but I have a feeling it's

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going to get, you know, passed. And so it's just a cost factor and a time factor. And

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if we can figure out the cost factor, then, you know, I think to your part, we're going

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going to keep parity with all the other properties, but we still can defend that we're treating

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everybody equally.

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So the Texas Constitution prohibits the expenditure of public funds for a private purpose. You'd

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have to find a public purpose behind waiving the fee in order to waive the fee for one.

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I don't recommend that as a general rule because fees suck for everybody, and I don't want to

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caution you against waiting for one and then getting another dozen requests.

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But we could, if this is going to take 60 days, we could by the next meeting essentially adjust

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a fee schedule for an ag fee application.

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Yes, you can.

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And I don't want to speak for you, Mr. Wicks, but if this is a two-hour deal, a three-hour

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deal to look at it, you know, is adjusted accordingly to $150, for example.

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So an S.U.P. permit is $1,000, whether it's an S.U.P. for this or whether it's for sport

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court lighting or whether it's for, like, a school or a church or anything like that.

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It's $1,000 for everybody.

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That's right.

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And so I do think that that makes sense that there's some type of fee schedule, right, because taking a look at something as massive as, let's just say, you know, whatever a 40,000 square foot building has a lot more particulars to it to look at than this.

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I do understand PNZ's logic behind making it an SUP, and while I, you know, don't want to put undue burden on anybody, I do think it makes sense.

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And especially since we're changing something and we're doing something new, I would hate

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for somebody to come in and they're like, oh, well, I'm SF-1 and that's all they see

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and then they go get their horse and then it's a matter of like, oh, well, no, it's

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SF-1 but with one and a half acres and this and that.

469
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And then it kind of goes, you know, kind of gets off the rails really quickly.

470
00:32:42,860 --> 00:32:45,100
And in the meantime, there's a horse already there or whatever.

471
00:32:45,340 --> 00:32:48,560
And so then, you know, I mean, it just, it kind of snowballs into creating more

472
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:50,380
trouble down the line.

473
00:32:50,380 --> 00:32:54,920
Whereas if someone had kind of this specific thing where it had to be looked at we have to say yes

474
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,880
This does meet the requirements. You do have the right land space and whatnot

475
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:04,860
I think that that would prevent problems in the future when this would come up. I

476
00:33:04,860 --> 00:33:06,100
don't want to overstate the

477
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,560
How often this happens I people already do that

478
00:33:12,140 --> 00:33:18,800
You know the zoning in SF one has language in those in the zoning district standards that

479
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:23,740
talks about a commercial stable and private stables when we haven't allowed

480
00:33:23,740 --> 00:33:27,820
livestock and ranch animals in that zoning district and so people just go

481
00:33:27,820 --> 00:33:32,740
down and read oh I see private stable okay I can do it and so there it's

482
00:33:32,740 --> 00:33:36,720
already happened and it's it's not that common but when it does happen we tell

483
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:42,860
them I know you saw that that was inaccurate and that we don't allow it

484
00:33:42,860 --> 00:33:48,380
in SF1 so you have to remove it and they do. So how many how many actual

485
00:33:48,380 --> 00:33:54,300
properties in reality, how many properties would have adequate acreage to be subject

486
00:33:54,300 --> 00:33:59,020
to this change, you know, that they would have access, one and a half acres in addition

487
00:33:59,020 --> 00:34:00,680
to the structures and all of that.

488
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,860
From what I heard you say, there are minimal number of these tracks in Argao.

489
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,840
Could we create, why don't we call it SF1, if we really, it's SF1 and a half, why

490
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:15,840
don't we call create a separate, can we create a separate zoning just for the

491
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,320
properties that have more than one acre?

492
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,360
Well, we do have SF 2.5.

493
00:34:21,720 --> 00:34:24,000
So SF 1 is just a minimum one acre.

494
00:34:24,780 --> 00:34:28,640
And then so anything between one acre and 2.49 acres is SF 1.

495
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:33,360
So you do have 2.3 acre lots that are SF 1.

496
00:34:34,180 --> 00:34:37,840
And then once you hit 2.5, then you're zoned SF 2.5.

497
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:39,220
What I'm looking for, I guess,

498
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,400
I'm looking for a way to accommodate

499
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,180
these handful of properties that would actually

500
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:51,940
qualify for animals and so on without going through the burden of SUP and everything else.

501
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:52,980
Is there a way?

502
00:34:53,980 --> 00:34:58,920
Well, I think the potential for complaints of people violating this, I think the cost

503
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,600
of managing that is less than the cost of doing SUPs.

504
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:10,720
The overhead that it takes to process a public hearing, depending on the lot, if we have

505
00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:16,640
to send out 100, 150 letters, we have to use postage, we have to take the time to draft

506
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,480
up the staff reports, you know, all of that staff time, if you combine that, I think it

507
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,980
would be less than the overhead of having a code enforcement officer doing the enforcement.

508
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:33,200
Gustav, if you, there's 100-ish SF-1s out there, and we have one code enforcement person,

509
00:35:33,420 --> 00:35:39,840
and he knows the area pretty well, but all of a sudden, it's not a matter, I guess

510
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:46,360
the question is, people that have the SF1, are they going to be honest, well I'm going

511
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,200
to say honest, are they going to recognize that you have to have one acre of usable?

512
00:35:50,660 --> 00:35:57,320
Quite honestly, I wasn't even aware of that, even though I have SF2.5 until Larry told

513
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:57,840
me about it.

514
00:35:57,940 --> 00:36:01,440
He said it was grazeable land, I'm like, oh that's interesting, I never thought

515
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:02,000
about that.

516
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,100
So I think there's a lot of folks out there that just don't know.

517
00:36:06,100 --> 00:36:14,540
And the fact that you're getting so close to the minimum, right, per our schedule, I throw out again.

518
00:36:14,860 --> 00:36:20,820
Is there a possibility that we can amend our fee schedule to make it a little bit easier on the pocketbook?

519
00:36:21,580 --> 00:36:22,080
Absolutely.

520
00:36:22,540 --> 00:36:27,260
And, you know, in this case, they can proceed with their application,

521
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:32,380
and hopefully by the next meeting we have this amended, so at least it takes that off the table for them.

522
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:38,160
And in quite honesty for what it's worth, I think if you're the SF1 that has an SUP,

523
00:36:38,540 --> 00:36:41,660
it's going to be more special than somebody else's that doesn't have an SUP.

524
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:47,080
Because yours will be, you know, usable for, you know, a horse or whatever you're trying to get.

525
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:58,880
I think the fee schedule amendment would be my recommendation if that's the way you're leaning.

526
00:36:59,300 --> 00:37:03,080
It doesn't require public hearing. We can put it on the next agenda. It would not slow her down.

527
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:11,300
when do you have to pay the like the whatever the fee is do you have to do

528
00:37:11,300 --> 00:37:14,960
that when like you apply for the scp yeah when you submit the application you'll

529
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:21,280
have to pay the fee mm-hmm well the application isn't complete until you

530
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:27,940
submit the fee mm-hmm are you pay the fee however staff could start working on

531
00:37:27,940 --> 00:37:31,940
it when it's submitted a lot of times people are late paying but you know

532
00:37:31,940 --> 00:37:34,520
what's coming so you can do some of the legwork.

533
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,060
I just think we need to try to do something

534
00:37:37,060 --> 00:37:38,560
to provide some type of accommodation.

535
00:37:38,900 --> 00:37:40,600
I don't want it to be another, like, okay,

536
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,980
so it's a month before we get the fee schedule changed

537
00:37:43,980 --> 00:37:46,200
and back to us, and then you're able to fill it out

538
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,660
and fill the permit fee, and then it's another 60 days

539
00:37:48,660 --> 00:37:50,740
after, I mean, it's dragging on forever,

540
00:37:50,820 --> 00:37:52,100
so I'd like to try to find some way

541
00:37:52,100 --> 00:37:54,880
to be accommodating of something like that.

542
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,860
As soon as staff knows the direction y'all want to go,

543
00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:59,080
we can certainly do that.

544
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,520
that we will be very accommodating

545
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:02,580
to help this applicant.

546
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,300
We understand the position that you guys are looking for here.

547
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,220
So we just need a motion.

548
00:38:12,270 --> 00:38:15,590
I'll make a motion to approve item eight as presented.

549
00:38:16,870 --> 00:38:17,290
I second.

550
00:38:18,410 --> 00:38:21,110
Okay, we have a motion to approve and a second.

551
00:38:21,350 --> 00:38:22,150
All those in favor?

552
00:38:22,570 --> 00:38:22,710
Aye.

553
00:38:23,730 --> 00:38:25,870
And just understand we'll work diligently

554
00:38:25,870 --> 00:38:26,990
to get that done, okay?

555
00:38:27,230 --> 00:38:28,430
All right, thank you.

556
00:38:28,730 --> 00:38:29,570
By the way, will you guys

557
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:38,450
All right, that brings us to the next public hearing.

558
00:38:38,790 --> 00:38:46,930
Consider and take action ordinance 2025-23 amending TDS 25-005 to article 3, Zoning of

559
00:38:46,930 --> 00:38:52,570
the Town of Argo, Town Development Standards, regarding amendments to section 14.3.23, amendments

560
00:38:52,570 --> 00:38:57,550
to zoning ordinances in districts, administrative procedure enforcement, and other related provisions

561
00:38:57,550 --> 00:39:00,030
and the town development standards, Mr. Wicks.

562
00:39:01,430 --> 00:39:02,650
All right, thank you, Mayor.

563
00:39:03,050 --> 00:39:07,730
So this item is another one that was requested by town council.

564
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:12,970
This is for the standards that talk about a public hearing

565
00:39:12,970 --> 00:39:15,810
and planning and zoning consideration.

566
00:39:16,370 --> 00:39:20,090
So whenever planning and zoning commission has to take action

567
00:39:20,090 --> 00:39:22,490
on a zoning, rezoning, or text amendment request,

568
00:39:25,250 --> 00:39:31,350
the section that we're talking about 14-3-23 had some language that said the

569
00:39:31,350 --> 00:39:34,790
Planning and Zoning Commission may on its own motion or at the applicant's

570
00:39:34,790 --> 00:39:38,050
request defer its decision recommendation for not more than 90

571
00:39:38,050 --> 00:39:44,110
calendar days from the time the public hearing was first opened. So this was

572
00:39:44,110 --> 00:39:49,190
brought to our attention by Council Member Brating. This was during the

573
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:55,250
heritage plan development district PD public hearing we had to table that

574
00:39:55,250 --> 00:39:58,170
item a couple of times because we were waiting on information from the

575
00:39:58,170 --> 00:40:02,530
applicant and so that we had already had the public hearing and so we were

576
00:40:02,530 --> 00:40:05,870
thinking are we going to hit that 90-day calendar limitation and so we

577
00:40:05,870 --> 00:40:13,170
would have to make a decision and so the understanding would be to remove

578
00:40:13,170 --> 00:40:17,730
that language so that anytime the Planning and Zoning Commission needs to

579
00:40:17,730 --> 00:40:24,310
defer its decision to get more information from the applicant or you know

580
00:40:24,310 --> 00:40:29,330
maybe the applicant wants to request a deferral as well it eliminates that 90

581
00:40:29,330 --> 00:40:33,330
calendar day requirement so it just says defer its decision recommendation until

582
00:40:33,330 --> 00:40:36,390
it has had an opportunity to consider other information or propose

583
00:40:36,390 --> 00:40:42,730
modifications. So it's just eliminating that 90 calendar day

584
00:40:42,730 --> 00:40:50,550
So during the P&Z meeting on July 9th, they did recommend approval of that change as presented.

585
00:40:51,030 --> 00:40:55,870
So there was no condition or change to the revision.

586
00:40:56,310 --> 00:41:00,510
So right now this is the recommended for approval revision.

587
00:41:01,150 --> 00:41:03,130
And I'm available to answer any questions.

588
00:41:04,750 --> 00:41:06,750
Is this the so-called shock clock?

589
00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:07,410
Right.

590
00:41:08,310 --> 00:41:09,650
The planning and zoning shock clock.

591
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:13,270
And we imposed that on ourselves?

592
00:41:14,450 --> 00:41:21,170
I think that could have been when we adopted this standard back in 2010.

593
00:41:22,110 --> 00:41:27,630
I did learn that the framework of the 2010 ordinance that we used is from the city of Keller.

594
00:41:28,330 --> 00:41:31,770
So I think this might have been something that came from Keller.

595
00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:38,370
But it was something to speed up the process if you think 90 days is fast.

596
00:41:38,370 --> 00:41:40,950
But that was the idea, I think.

597
00:41:41,350 --> 00:41:44,050
To be clear, it is not required by state statute.

598
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:50,380
So we're looking to expedite it even further and do it within 90 days in full?

599
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:57,040
Well, we would like to, but if there's more information that comes up that we need to consider, it eliminates any requirements.

600
00:41:57,140 --> 00:41:59,940
So it could be longer than 90 days if we wanted to be longer.

601
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:06,820
There have been incidents in the past where there was pressure to make a decision when not all the information was there.

602
00:42:06,820 --> 00:42:07,600
I'm

603
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,200
forward omitting it then.

604
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,300
I think we need all the information.

605
00:42:21,990 --> 00:42:23,490
Well, we can do that in the form of a motion.

606
00:42:24,250 --> 00:42:27,890
Oh, it's probably my bad, getting ahead of myself here.

607
00:42:28,590 --> 00:42:31,430
All right, so we'll open the public hearing at 6.13.

608
00:42:32,610 --> 00:42:35,430
Do we have anybody that wants to speak on that topic?

609
00:42:39,780 --> 00:42:40,860
Go on once, twice.

610
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:46,200
All right, we'll close the public hearing at 6.13

611
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,120
in probably 30 seconds, so make a difference.

612
00:42:50,980 --> 00:43:00,680
I'll make a motion to approve planning and zoning's recommendation and that's ordinance 2025 2023 as it's written for public hearing item number nine.

613
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:16,600
I'll second that motion is second. All those in favor. I anybody oppose motion carries brings us to the last public hearing item number 10 public hearing concern to take action ordinance 2025-24.

614
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:25,860
For allowing a zoning change request, Z-25-002 from Agriculture to Old Town One Zoning District

615
00:43:25,860 --> 00:43:33,180
for the Mission Investor slash Outdoor LP Property on a 3.4 acre tract of unplanted land

616
00:43:33,180 --> 00:43:40,080
in the Jay-Gazaway Survey Abstract 481, I don't have to read all of that, do I?

617
00:43:40,340 --> 00:43:40,540
No.

618
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:40,960
Okay.

619
00:43:41,300 --> 00:43:41,540
All right.

620
00:43:41,940 --> 00:43:43,120
It's on Front Street.

621
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,140
Just to orient you.

622
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:46,400
All right.

623
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:53,100
Thank you, Mayor. So this item is a public hearing for zoning change request. The

624
00:43:53,100 --> 00:43:58,960
property itself, like you stated, it's on Front Street just to the north of Old

625
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:05,820
Justin Road, south of Eagle Drive, and west of the railroad. So it's this long

626
00:44:05,820 --> 00:44:11,300
sliver of land that used to be owned by the Union Pacific Railroad. And since

627
00:44:11,300 --> 00:44:21,820
Since 2007, it's been owned by the same owner, Mission Investors, and currently it's unplatted.

628
00:44:22,180 --> 00:44:25,500
It's part of three different abstracts, if you can believe it.

629
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:33,080
But the ultimate goal of this zoning change is to fix an error that was done when the

630
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,600
zoning change, the zoning map was approved back in 2017.

631
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:44,700
The map in 2017 had identified this parcel as right-away, which before 2006 it was right.

632
00:44:44,900 --> 00:44:51,320
It was owned by the Union Pacific Railroad, but now that it's privately owned it had been

633
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:57,100
zoned ag and then in between zoning maps so it was ag and then the next zoning map said

634
00:44:57,100 --> 00:44:59,880
it was right away and so now we're going back to

635
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:07,440
We're going to make it zoned again. So initially, the zoning change, we just said it was ag, and

636
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:16,100
so the proposed new zoning district is OT1. OT1 stands for Old Town. That's the area of

637
00:45:17,140 --> 00:45:24,820
Argyle that is the oldest. But on the east side of 377, you have OT1, and that's the

638
00:45:24,820 --> 00:45:29,240
residential slash retail portion of Old Town. And then as you get further back to the

639
00:45:29,240 --> 00:45:34,740
older houses. You have OT2, which is just the residential standard for that area.

640
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:43,580
But since this area is the historical part of Argyle, so I thought, speaking

641
00:45:43,580 --> 00:45:49,260
with the property owner, the best use of this property would be OT1 to make it

642
00:45:49,260 --> 00:45:54,080
consistent with this area as opposed to Ag. So current conditions of the site

643
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:59,100
you can see here. This is looking north. You can see Front Street here on the

644
00:45:59,100 --> 00:46:02,680
left and then you can kind of make out the railroad tracks on the right side of

645
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:06,360
the image and then across 377 you can see the red bank building and the blue

646
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:14,200
Meadows building. So this is looking north and then this is looking south from

647
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,580
the top of the property. You can kind of make out the railroad tracks on the

648
00:46:17,580 --> 00:46:23,040
left side of the image and the real estate station building and the former

649
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:28,940
post office building, Turner Massey Realty Building. So you can see that it's

650
00:46:28,940 --> 00:46:35,760
long and skinny. It used to be operated or the property owner had a contract

651
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:43,060
agreement with the town to use it to stage aggregate, gravel, dirt that we

652
00:46:43,060 --> 00:46:47,920
would store here in exchange for the town maintaining that property to keep

653
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:54,340
it landscaped in mode. So for a period of time the town did use it to house some public

654
00:46:54,340 --> 00:47:01,300
work items. But here are the zoning maps showing the current zoning on the left. You can see

655
00:47:01,300 --> 00:47:08,260
that the parcel is shown as right away, unzoned, and then the proposed zoning on the right

656
00:47:08,260 --> 00:47:15,680
would show it as OT1. So you can see the blue area just on the east side of 377.

657
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,880
and that's OT1 that allows retail and residential.

658
00:47:19,860 --> 00:47:21,680
On the north side of this parcel,

659
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,860
there's a child daycare center, the Fine Art Preschool.

660
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:27,620
That's zoned OT1.

661
00:47:28,380 --> 00:47:30,800
And then this parcel, the proposed OT1

662
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,180
on the east side of Front Street.

663
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,080
So that's the proposal right now.

664
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:41,360
The OT1 land uses, this is the description

665
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,000
that comes with the zoning district

666
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,340
whenever we look at it in our standards

667
00:47:45,340 --> 00:47:49,860
and so it says old town one is intended to create a mixed use focal point for the town.

668
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:54,300
This district is appropriate within that portion of the original dedication of the town of Argyle

669
00:47:54,300 --> 00:48:00,060
that is located east and west of the centerline of US Highway 377 and west of the centerline

670
00:48:00,060 --> 00:48:05,320
of the right away of Cypress Street. The mixture of retail office governmental

671
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:11,180
residential uses is appropriate within the OT1 district. Public pedestrian walkways,

672
00:48:11,180 --> 00:48:15,360
open areas in order to promote interaction among the various land uses and to create

673
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:21,180
a pedestrian friendly environment are encouraged. So the idea of anything

674
00:48:21,180 --> 00:48:25,260
developing on this site would help to meet those standards, create a more

675
00:48:25,260 --> 00:48:29,560
pedestrian friendly environment, a focal point for the town, create more

676
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:30,920
compatibility of uses,

677
00:48:33,130 --> 00:48:37,090
and here are some potential OT1 land uses that are

678
00:48:37,090 --> 00:48:42,010
available in the zoning district. So a couple of items like a barber, beauty

679
00:48:42,010 --> 00:48:53,470
shop, a church place of worship. I know we need more of those. I'm sorry. Museum. I said

680
00:48:53,470 --> 00:49:01,370
it before you said it. Medical office uses, general office uses, pharmacy, specific use

681
00:49:01,370 --> 00:49:05,550
permits. So this would still require a public hearing for a specific use permit, a bed

682
00:49:05,550 --> 00:49:10,830
and breakfast, general retail, low intensity, which it just means any use that's not

683
00:49:10,830 --> 00:49:19,550
not formally identified in the use matrix that's under 5,000 square feet, and then a

684
00:49:19,550 --> 00:49:23,430
public garage parking structure, sports court, private, not lighted.

685
00:49:24,270 --> 00:49:25,770
So these are some of the potential uses.

686
00:49:26,250 --> 00:49:29,230
Right now the property owner doesn't have anything planned for the site.

687
00:49:29,410 --> 00:49:31,610
This would just be to establish the base zoning.

688
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:38,050
So we don't know yet exactly what could possibly go there, but these are the potential.

689
00:49:46,770 --> 00:49:55,430
of residential and retail. So presumably retail on the bottom, living on the top, yes, that

690
00:49:55,430 --> 00:50:04,650
is a possibility. But that also exists currently in OT1 now. So it would be allowed under that

691
00:50:04,650 --> 00:50:08,370
circumstance so not apartment just for apartment sake you'd have to be retail

692
00:50:08,370 --> 00:50:14,830
with something on top. What are the dimensions do you know? I know it's

693
00:50:14,830 --> 00:50:20,510
small just curious if you had I think at its top it's about 130 feet wide.

694
00:50:25,090 --> 00:50:25,710
Sir

695
00:50:25,710 --> 00:50:28,450
I would hate to have can you approach please.

696
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,680
The property is roughly 1,300

697
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:46,560
feet long probably pushing 200 feet at the north end and south end

698
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:54,320
gets pinched down as you can see, the state of Texas, the very southern end, old Justin

699
00:50:54,320 --> 00:51:02,020
Frontage, corners down the state, widening, reliant, and that's it, this was

700
00:51:04,070 --> 00:51:04,670
the old depot

701
00:51:04,670 --> 00:51:04,990
location.

702
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:13,100
It would be really cool if it was returned to that, right, put a restaurant in there

703
00:51:13,100 --> 00:51:13,560
or something.

704
00:51:14,700 --> 00:51:18,800
You know, we have had thoughts like that, we've owned the property for 15 less years.

705
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,320
We are developers for our own account.

706
00:51:26,660 --> 00:51:29,920
I just want my partner's 90 years old process.

707
00:51:36,150 --> 00:51:37,670
And a lot of people get tired.

708
00:51:38,510 --> 00:51:39,110
Nothing happened.

709
00:51:40,030 --> 00:51:42,950
I'll tell you, worries.

710
00:51:44,250 --> 00:51:46,570
One of the local dentists located.

711
00:51:47,350 --> 00:51:47,570
Building.

712
00:51:49,210 --> 00:51:50,330
Supercharging stations.

713
00:51:50,690 --> 00:51:50,850
Yes.

714
00:51:53,500 --> 00:51:54,220
Everything.

715
00:51:55,380 --> 00:51:56,800
Nothing close.

716
00:52:05,130 --> 00:52:06,390
No, this doesn't have the dimensions.

717
00:52:06,390 --> 00:52:13,150
I don't think this is part of what we're going to need in the Pacific Highlight Sale Default

718
00:52:13,150 --> 00:52:13,690
Profession.

719
00:52:13,990 --> 00:52:14,430
All right.

720
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:15,370
Well, thank you.

721
00:52:16,870 --> 00:52:19,730
I mean, I'll say I'm for taking the handcuffs off.

722
00:52:20,110 --> 00:52:21,830
Well, you've got a public hearing, you're right.

723
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:31,160
Yeah, that's a public hearing, so anyway, before you make a motion, well, I appreciate

724
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:37,660
the information, sir, just that was a question, and I guess to your point, nothing has

725
00:52:37,660 --> 00:52:41,740
happened there and nothing will happen until something changes and this is the

726
00:52:41,740 --> 00:52:46,060
change. So having said that Harrison is there anything else you want to add

727
00:52:46,060 --> 00:52:52,940
before we open the public hearing? Just as far as public input so we did send out

728
00:52:52,940 --> 00:52:57,020
letters to property owners within 200 and a thousand feet. We haven't received

729
00:52:57,020 --> 00:53:01,360
any letters back to our office. Some people called asking questions to

730
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:06,520
clarify what the item was for and then at the meeting on July 9th for

731
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:07,400
of the PNZ Commission.

732
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:09,180
We did have four residents speak.

733
00:53:09,660 --> 00:53:11,720
Two were seeking to clarify information

734
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,420
and two were against the proposed zoning change.

735
00:53:18,330 --> 00:53:21,370
Could you outline what councillors

736
00:53:21,370 --> 00:53:24,190
Udavik and Snell dissented on?

737
00:53:24,830 --> 00:53:25,890
I think I'd guess, but.

738
00:53:27,250 --> 00:53:32,710
Yeah, I think the overall stance was,

739
00:53:33,030 --> 00:53:36,570
there was discussion about what was allowed

740
00:53:36,570 --> 00:53:44,850
on the property and that comes from the attachment that we had here, the deed

741
00:53:44,850 --> 00:53:49,130
without warranty that was shown in that meeting. So it showed some restrictions

742
00:53:49,130 --> 00:53:56,410
that came with the property that gives Union Pacific ability to say no to any

743
00:53:56,410 --> 00:54:02,120
above ground structures. I think it said it was for human habitation or

744
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:07,300
human occupancy so that was something that was a concern for some of the

745
00:54:07,300 --> 00:54:13,460
commissioners but town attorney McDonald clarified that any sort of restriction

746
00:54:13,460 --> 00:54:18,780
from a deed without warranties between the property owner and that entity so

747
00:54:18,780 --> 00:54:24,880
it's a private it's a private case between those two the town doesn't get

748
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:33,880
involved. So ultimately I think Udavik and Snell didn't see that property as having a

749
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:38,780
lot of commercial value. The fact that it was too close to the railroad that might have

750
00:54:38,780 --> 00:54:47,700
some impact on the danger of a pretty active railroad going right next to some commercial

751
00:54:47,700 --> 00:54:52,040
buildings. So I think they were hesitant based on that concern and then whether

752
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:53,780
there or not, that's how I would get developed at all.

753
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,860
I'm sure all the neighbors would appreciate it.

754
00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:58,440
Sound buffer.

755
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:00,260
Mm-hmm, yeah.

756
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:01,660
Sound buffer, that's right.

757
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,060
It seems to me that if the railroad

758
00:55:05,060 --> 00:55:08,520
is the final arbiter of what can go on the property,

759
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:11,500
that just kind of makes that property almost not

760
00:55:11,500 --> 00:55:13,920
valuable, if you propose something

761
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:15,380
and they can kill every deal.

762
00:55:16,060 --> 00:55:20,260
What's really the, where's the value that I would find

763
00:55:20,260 --> 00:55:26,480
really challenging myself. But that'll be up to the owner to take up. So anyway,

764
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:31,680
having said it, let's go ahead and open the public hearing at 626. Is there anybody

765
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:33,600
that wants to speak on this? Yes, sir.

766
00:55:42,370 --> 00:55:44,510
The negotiations obviously purchased property,

767
00:55:44,710 --> 00:55:47,870
but the intent of the deed restrictions were the railroad did not want residential

768
00:55:48,990 --> 00:55:54,430
hotel type uses of property. It wasn't meant to restrict the commercial type

769
00:55:55,790 --> 00:56:00,850
retail, barbershop, dental uses added. It was meant to reflect hotels and apartments.

770
00:56:02,010 --> 00:56:02,530
Was that?

771
00:56:03,510 --> 00:56:08,030
I'm sorry, was that reduced to riding?

772
00:56:08,610 --> 00:56:09,770
It's in part of the deed.

773
00:56:10,010 --> 00:56:10,930
It's part of the property too.

774
00:56:17,580 --> 00:56:20,140
Unless you want to say anything else, it's public hearing.

775
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,240
Alright, so anybody else want to speak on this item?

776
00:56:26,330 --> 00:56:27,190
Is that what you're talking about?

777
00:56:28,610 --> 00:56:31,850
I haven't said that 627 would close the public hearing.

778
00:56:32,310 --> 00:56:36,590
One thing I want to point out is, Harrison and I asked Kelly earlier, she didn't have

779
00:56:36,590 --> 00:56:38,890
the answer and it was an unfair question to her.

780
00:56:39,450 --> 00:56:44,810
But if you look at Charlene, for example, there's houses that back up right to the

781
00:56:44,810 --> 00:56:45,550
railroad tracks.

782
00:56:45,870 --> 00:56:51,710
So it may seem not as a desirable piece of property, but that's going to become a

783
00:56:51,710 --> 00:56:53,770
quiet crossing one of these days.

784
00:56:53,770 --> 00:57:00,470
I think actually the fact that a textile took some of that skinny part. It's not a bad thing. Hopefully that paid you fairly

785
00:57:01,370 --> 00:57:04,190
But I still think there's something that can be done with it

786
00:57:04,190 --> 00:57:09,650
And it could be some kind of a commercial use, you know restaurant or something like that. I

787
00:57:09,650 --> 00:57:15,790
Have a quick question for Harrison. So on our packet it says that this is town initiated with property owner approval

788
00:57:15,790 --> 00:57:19,010
So is this something that you guys that you were just looking through like hey

789
00:57:19,010 --> 00:57:24,550
What do I need to go through and fix and whatever can I can you tell me a little bit about how the request came about?

790
00:57:25,310 --> 00:57:26,070
Yeah, so

791
00:57:26,610 --> 00:57:28,790
the property owner had reached out to us and

792
00:57:29,650 --> 00:57:35,430
When we were looking at the property we saw that it was shown as right away and not zoned and so

793
00:57:36,690 --> 00:57:41,750
When he asked about things he could do on the property we were I guess it could be a road

794
00:57:41,750 --> 00:57:44,150
You know it wasn't it wasn't zoned for anything

795
00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:50,630
And so whenever developers would call and ask questions about what they could do on the site, we just didn't have an answer for him.

796
00:57:50,710 --> 00:57:54,850
So that's why it was town initiated with his approval.

797
00:57:55,710 --> 00:58:01,950
And based on our conversations with him, we thought OT1 was the best solution for that parcel.

798
00:58:02,390 --> 00:58:06,830
And I do agree. I think it makes sense to match it up with what it is across the street there.

799
00:58:06,990 --> 00:58:11,490
And there could be something really cool that could potentially go in there.

800
00:58:11,490 --> 00:58:13,550
So, okay, thank you for that.

801
00:58:13,670 --> 00:58:14,610
I appreciate it.

802
00:58:19,420 --> 00:58:22,020
I'd like to make a motion to approve item 10 as presented.

803
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:23,880
I'll second that.

804
00:58:24,300 --> 00:58:26,240
You got a motion to approve and second.

805
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:27,300
All those in favor?

806
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:27,980
Aye.

807
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:28,820
Anybody oppose?

808
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:30,400
All right, motion carries.

809
00:58:31,100 --> 00:58:32,700
All right, brings us to action items.

810
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:34,220
Pick up speed now.

811
00:58:34,500 --> 00:58:38,300
So consider and take actions on ordinance 2025-21.

812
00:58:38,660 --> 00:58:41,380
Calling a special election be held on November 4th,

813
00:58:41,380 --> 00:58:44,500
2025 for the purpose of increasing the sales tax

814
00:58:44,500 --> 00:58:49,920
tax and use tax levy to 2% and authorize the mayor to execute an agreement with Denton

815
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:56,020
County elections administration for election services. Mr. Sims, is that your item?

816
00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:01,080
Yes, sir. It's relatively straightforward. This is the same election that happened in

817
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:07,180
your May cycle that almost passed but didn't. We thought that based on the mayor's request,

818
00:59:07,380 --> 00:59:10,300
we should bring it forward, let you guys consider whether or not you'd like to have

819
00:59:10,300 --> 00:59:16,100
on the November ballot. Your option is if you put on the November ballot, then it would

820
00:59:16,100 --> 00:59:21,240
be the only item you have, right? And you would be needing to pay Denton County elections

821
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:25,860
somewhere in the $8,000 to $12,000 amount to have the election. If you wait till May,

822
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:30,740
you'll have city council members up for election, and so you would not have an

823
00:59:30,740 --> 00:59:34,880
added cost for having the election at that time. Given the amount of money it is,

824
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:38,460
it's probably prudent to move forward, but we need council's decision on that.

825
00:59:38,460 --> 00:59:45,200
And so just to clarify for everybody, this mainly applies to Harvest or to the Belmont

826
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:47,900
II only, okay?

827
00:59:48,460 --> 00:59:54,900
And we have, help me out, an agreement with Belmont II that essentially we split the

828
00:59:54,900 --> 00:59:57,920
sales tax 50-50, okay?

829
00:59:57,920 --> 00:59:59,960
So we're not

830
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:04,820
I mean, we already have 2% in the rest of the town. I know it's written in a certain way,

831
01:00:04,860 --> 01:00:08,760
but we already have 2% in the rest of the town, and that's between all the entities.

832
01:00:09,020 --> 01:00:15,580
I know the town is only 1%, but as far as what you pay at the retail store, it's going to be 2%.

833
01:00:16,380 --> 01:00:22,620
So it really helps us raise more taxes. It does help Belmont, too, raise more taxes.

834
01:00:22,740 --> 01:00:28,760
My only question on that is, what they participate in the cost, since it benefits them as well,

835
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:30,340
How can we ask them to do that?

836
01:00:30,980 --> 01:00:33,280
We can certainly reach out and talk to them about it.

837
01:00:33,300 --> 01:00:35,800
I don't want to guarantee that right now, but we can talk to them.

838
01:00:36,100 --> 01:00:39,540
And so there is a little bit of clarification.

839
01:00:40,380 --> 01:00:44,520
When I was campaigning, a lot of folks just didn't understand what we were talking about.

840
01:00:44,900 --> 01:00:49,200
And I know there are limitations to what a town can do as far as putting out information.

841
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:51,400
There is.

842
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:56,760
I guess my comment to you would be we had very little public information from what

843
01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:02,120
I could tell, it predates me, but I saw not a lot of anything, right?

844
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:09,240
So I think that given the amount of time between now and November, if you want to do it, staff

845
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:16,980
can gear up and provide nothing that says vote yes, but we can provide a lot of information

846
01:01:16,980 --> 01:01:20,380
about this because it is, after all, let's face it, it's confusing.

847
01:01:20,700 --> 01:01:24,000
The average resident is not going to be able to read it and say, oh, well, that's

848
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:24,680
just intuitive.

849
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:34,800
It's an odd case because special purpose annexation to collect a limited portion of sales tax is not particularly common and people need to understand what's happening.

850
01:01:35,020 --> 01:01:40,320
So just getting the clarity out there is extremely important.

851
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:47,940
And it only lost by eight votes. It didn't pass by something. It was eight, nine, something like that, right?

852
01:01:47,940 --> 01:01:53,480
and do only the people in Belmont to get to vote on that so like do I vote on

853
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:59,720
that as an Argyle resident? Go ahead Claire. I don't remember so only Argyle

854
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:07,260
residents vote okay okay in Argyle elections you know we go ahead sir we

855
01:02:07,260 --> 01:02:11,240
caught in the weeds of how we're split with Belmont but we always forget to say

856
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:16,180
that all it does is raise it to tax parity because everybody else is already

857
01:02:16,180 --> 01:02:19,600
charging the two percent and that there's just a little sliver of the

858
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:23,060
Belmont district that's not paying the same tax rate as the rest of the town.

859
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:26,860
That thinks that they are I'm sure right when I go buy a Chick-fil-A meal I'm

860
01:02:26,860 --> 01:02:30,240
not like oh well I only got charged seven percent or what I'm confident in.

861
01:02:30,260 --> 01:02:34,780
So we're not even though it has to be specified this way on the ballot because

862
01:02:34,780 --> 01:02:37,680
we are raising that tax rate but we're just raising it up to match

863
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:41,060
everybody else's tax rate and the rest of our job. Okay say what you're gonna

864
01:02:41,060 --> 01:02:47,840
say it is a tax. It's a tax haven over there. If you go eat at Chick-fil-A, you're safe

865
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:56,720
in pennies. I had to give him that lead. The way it's written right now, it's really

866
01:02:56,720 --> 01:03:02,320
confusing because if I was a citizen, I look at that, I said, oh my gosh, they're raising

867
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:07,200
the tax again. And that's where it's just sort of not only confusing, but it's kind

868
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:12,720
irritating. I wish that was written in a way that it's limited or that there is the word parity

869
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:19,240
written into it. Just people understand it's just specific to a certain area. I don't know if you

870
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:24,000
can do that but... Well I think that that's where the communication piece right? Like we can't change

871
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:28,200
how it's worded on the ballot but if everybody knows going in and they've seen enough information

872
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:32,320
there is zero that went out about it. Not one single thing that I ever saw anywhere that

873
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:34,800
the town put out, or that anybody could put out to talk about it.

874
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:40,240
And for it to fail by eight votes with zero information, if we did a good enough job of

875
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:44,000
letting folks know what it is and what it means, then when they go in there, I think

876
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:47,900
that it's going to give people the knowledge and the power that they need to feel more

877
01:03:47,900 --> 01:03:49,080
comfortable voting yes.

878
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:50,540
I agree.

879
01:03:50,740 --> 01:03:54,480
Any information that we put out is better than...

880
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:59,140
I think because Council has already given us a good partnership with the Argyle Business

881
01:03:59,140 --> 01:04:03,780
Association and some of the other groups in town it really is just doing the

882
01:04:03,780 --> 01:04:07,280
live work of getting out and talking to those groups ahead of time and showing

883
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:11,620
them appropriate not leading but appropriate public information and we

884
01:04:11,620 --> 01:04:15,360
can do that very effectively between now and then. And this way everyone's

885
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:18,900
benefited. I did the math one time just an estimate it's it's well over a

886
01:04:18,900 --> 01:04:23,780
hundred something thousand dollars and that what we would gain in doing so. That

887
01:04:23,780 --> 01:04:28,140
we shouldn't wait until May right to start getting that like why would we

888
01:04:28,140 --> 01:04:33,000
You know what's unfair here is they're collect well they're collecting sales tax

889
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:37,580
They mean the state they're not necessarily remitting it to the town

890
01:04:37,580 --> 01:04:39,740
I don't know if that's already gone into effect has it

891
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:41,080
Anyway, no

892
01:04:45,650 --> 01:04:50,610
The sales tax for that area started July 1st, and so we won't see it until

893
01:04:51,350 --> 01:04:57,250
September yeah, so state is collecting it. We're not getting our shares. So anyway, I don't know how that works out

894
01:04:57,250 --> 01:05:01,850
We will where it's just two months behind, but just started for our portion of it.

895
01:05:01,870 --> 01:05:02,690
We want that two months.

896
01:05:03,110 --> 01:05:03,430
I know.

897
01:05:04,790 --> 01:05:11,470
But anyway, but you know also in all fairness to Belmont too, it helps them pay down their

898
01:05:11,470 --> 01:05:15,870
mud district sooner, so it's a win-win deal for everyone.

899
01:05:16,230 --> 01:05:18,010
I have no issue with that.

900
01:05:19,870 --> 01:05:24,450
I see that somebody is raising my taxes again, two percent, and that's where I stop reading.

901
01:05:24,650 --> 01:05:25,470
You know who to talk to?

902
01:05:26,330 --> 01:05:27,730
Mayors, the town manager.

903
01:05:27,730 --> 01:05:31,170
No, not the town manager, the person sitting next to the town manager.

904
01:05:31,670 --> 01:05:38,470
I mean, there's a certain legal structure, and I think Brenda even ran it.

905
01:05:38,470 --> 01:05:43,870
In the public information that we create, we can state it in English, and we can explain it in English.

906
01:05:44,370 --> 01:05:49,970
What it is in the ballot is going to be a state law topic, and I'm going to support your attorney in that.

907
01:05:50,090 --> 01:05:53,490
Just leave that alone. Let that be what state law says it has to be.

908
01:05:53,490 --> 01:05:57,630
But when I'm out talking, when the mayor is out talking, we can have public information

909
01:05:57,630 --> 01:06:01,950
that clarifies here's the reality behind that confusing battle language.

910
01:06:03,390 --> 01:06:07,970
And if it behooves the financial perspective, like we were saying, versus going in November

911
01:06:07,970 --> 01:06:09,430
versus May, I'm for it as well.

912
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:12,060
All right.

913
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:13,120
Any other discussions?

914
01:06:14,460 --> 01:06:15,620
Looking for a motion?

915
01:06:17,820 --> 01:06:24,060
Mr. Mayor, I'd like to make a motion that we approve item 11 of the action items

916
01:06:24,060 --> 01:06:26,760
as it's proposed, as it is written.

917
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:28,640
I'll second that.

918
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:32,140
Who was the second?

919
01:06:35,460 --> 01:06:35,800
Okay.

920
01:06:35,900 --> 01:06:36,500
I'll second that.

921
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:40,300
I, Council Member Boyd got the second.

922
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:42,300
So I have a motion and a second.

923
01:06:42,660 --> 01:06:43,360
All those in favor?

924
01:06:43,860 --> 01:06:44,220
I.

925
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:45,060
Anyone oppose?

926
01:06:45,900 --> 01:06:47,160
All right, motion carries.

927
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:48,980
So off we are.

928
01:06:49,620 --> 01:06:53,620
Number 12, consider take action on resolution 2025-33

929
01:06:53,620 --> 01:06:58,640
authorizing the mayor to execute a professional service agreement with Dunaway Associates for

930
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:05,140
civil design services related to the town center project in an amount not to exceed $47,838

931
01:07:05,980 --> 01:07:10,240
located on the six acres tract of land along FM-47.

932
01:07:14,620 --> 01:07:19,100
Mayor and Council, I'm going to come over here just to ease this presentation up a

933
01:07:19,100 --> 01:07:19,440
little bit.

934
01:07:20,340 --> 01:07:24,760
I'm going to ask Ramon with Ramel to come on up and he'll help me introduce a couple

935
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:25,620
of people as well.

936
01:07:25,620 --> 01:07:30,620
So several months ago, y'all took action to hire Ramel

937
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:38,300
to give you the preliminary steps related to your police headquarters town center location on 407.

938
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:40,300
What was the discussion at that time?

939
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:44,660
The discussion at the time back in early this calendar year

940
01:07:44,660 --> 01:07:50,420
was to use Ramel to go out and try to find an architect and an engineer

941
01:07:50,420 --> 01:07:54,120
to take your next steps on the police building at the town center.

942
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:59,160
The engineering firm is going to do all of the tasks that you would instantly think of, right,

943
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:03,600
exactly where's the drainage going to be, where's the water going to be, where's the sewer going to be,

944
01:08:03,940 --> 01:08:07,220
what are we going to do on 407 because we're going to need a traffic light on 407

945
01:08:07,700 --> 01:08:11,620
or we're going to need a left turn lane, all of the engineering associated with that project.

946
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:13,260
That's the Dunaway part of it.

947
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:14,940
We did an RFQ process.

948
01:08:16,820 --> 01:08:19,300
Ramon helped us walk through that process.

949
01:08:19,700 --> 01:08:22,400
We had quite a few firms that we interviewed and worked with.

950
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:27,120
We did select Dunaway as the lead firm that we're recommending to you tonight.

951
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:31,440
Then in the next agenda item, you'll see the discussion of the architecture firm.

952
01:08:31,660 --> 01:08:32,800
I'll talk a little bit about that.

953
01:08:33,340 --> 01:08:36,760
So with that, let me ask Ramon, is there any other feedback?

954
01:08:38,580 --> 01:08:42,960
No, sir. I mean, we went through the competitive process under, you know, our process.

955
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:47,380
I got good competitive responses, I think, of the civil work.

956
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:50,460
We had 12 responses, I believe it was.

957
01:08:50,460 --> 01:08:54,900
very competitive, and then Dunaway proved themselves to be the best value for this.

958
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:03,680
Explain to me one more time what exactly you guys are doing.

959
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:07,080
Is it you're choosing, you're choosing an engineering company?

960
01:09:07,100 --> 01:09:11,980
Exactly, so under state law we want to make sure that we don't just pick the buddy, right?

961
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:13,000
We're not picking a buddy.

962
01:09:13,420 --> 01:09:20,500
We've had an open competitive process to pick a firm that we think can do the best to deliver the product.

963
01:09:21,340 --> 01:09:25,620
Frankly, Dunaway was one of the few firms that had the combination of being able to do

964
01:09:25,620 --> 01:09:29,920
your structural work when we get to the structural phase, be able to do the site work associated

965
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:35,620
with the water sewer drainage, and also have a professional transportation operations engineer

966
01:09:35,620 --> 01:09:39,900
available that can really do the work to figure out, okay, if I'm going to manage

967
01:09:39,900 --> 01:09:45,840
traffic on 407, which is its own beast, and convince techs.we need a traffic light

968
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:49,420
and make sure our emergency vehicles get in and out in an efficient manner.

969
01:09:49,420 --> 01:09:53,920
That takes some real expertise and we were attracted by that the down the way

970
01:09:54,440 --> 01:09:57,280
Is that familiar to like an EPC company?

971
01:09:58,220 --> 01:10:03,400
Engineering procurement construction where you're you're they don't do construction. They're strictly just engineering

972
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:05,680
But if you're afraid you sub that would you sub it out though?

973
01:10:05,900 --> 01:10:11,300
Yes, whatever we got to the point of construction. Yes, that would go to all under umbrella. No, not under our brother

974
01:10:11,300 --> 01:10:17,140
No, we're just facilitator of the process. So we're just thinking that you're on the right you're going the right direction

975
01:10:17,700 --> 01:10:21,900
Eventually what you'll see, but this isn't going to happen until you adopt a master plan.

976
01:10:22,140 --> 01:10:28,060
After you adopt a master plan, what you'll see is a recommendation that we have what's called a construction manager agent.

977
01:10:28,580 --> 01:10:36,280
We would pick a construction manager agent firm to be that umbrella, look over all of the work that goes from the detail of the architecture,

978
01:10:36,540 --> 01:10:41,200
the detail of the engineering, did it, and then oversee it during the construction process.

979
01:10:41,440 --> 01:10:43,880
That's the umbrella in the public sector as a CMA.

980
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:45,760
Okay, we'll get there.

981
01:10:50,450 --> 01:10:56,970
Is this for just specifically to the police building or is

982
01:10:56,970 --> 01:11:00,890
this the I guess the Dunaway piece or whatever for action? The Dunaway piece

983
01:11:00,890 --> 01:11:04,750
would cover what we would sort of nicknamed the six acres. The plot that we

984
01:11:04,750 --> 01:11:08,510
talked about. Exactly, the full six acres and frankly one of the things that

985
01:11:08,510 --> 01:11:13,030
at least just going to have to get worked on is saving money by combining

986
01:11:13,030 --> 01:11:17,590
drainage the six acres and the 12 acres making sure the roadway that goes

987
01:11:17,590 --> 01:11:21,930
through the six acres is properly serving the 12 acres, so there'll be some coordination

988
01:11:22,490 --> 01:11:24,210
just on the six but also the 12.

989
01:11:24,950 --> 01:11:31,650
Dr. Herman, if you remember, the MDD actually sponsored a study for the 12 acres, which

990
01:11:31,650 --> 01:11:33,810
was pretty close to this number here.

991
01:11:34,670 --> 01:11:38,770
I don't think you can essentially, you know, there's no correlation necessarily between

992
01:11:38,770 --> 01:11:43,870
the cost and acreage, but it's more like the cost and the task.

993
01:11:44,330 --> 01:11:48,950
And so we have the study from the 12 acres, which is good.

994
01:11:49,830 --> 01:11:51,910
I would think, I don't want to speak for you,

995
01:11:51,950 --> 01:11:53,990
you're going to be able to dovetail that into this study.

996
01:11:54,470 --> 01:11:56,810
They took it from let's look at the 12

997
01:11:56,810 --> 01:11:58,570
and make the right decision for the 12.

998
01:11:58,810 --> 01:12:01,650
We're going to take it and look at it from an 18-acre point of view

999
01:12:01,650 --> 01:12:03,390
and try to make sure that the right distance

1000
01:12:03,390 --> 01:12:05,650
is made from our 18 acres

1001
01:12:05,650 --> 01:12:09,150
and really go in a greater depth than they were going.

1002
01:12:09,790 --> 01:12:11,130
You'll see an opportunity.

1003
01:12:11,130 --> 01:12:15,130
and I want to make sure I'm combining the two items that are separate to vote on,

1004
01:12:15,230 --> 01:12:18,970
but I want to make sure y'all are thinking about it like this.

1005
01:12:19,370 --> 01:12:24,790
You hire an engineer, you hire an architect. You don't say go to bid immediately, right?

1006
01:12:25,150 --> 01:12:30,610
There's a lot of discussion and decision-making that the council will need to be looking at here.

1007
01:12:31,010 --> 01:12:35,790
We'll see some preliminary information from Dunaway. We'll see some preliminary information from your architect.

1008
01:12:36,290 --> 01:12:39,010
We'll ask you, do you want to go this direction? Do you want to go that direction?

1009
01:12:39,010 --> 01:12:45,210
Here's a decision point. I'll be identifying various decision-making moments in that series

1010
01:12:45,810 --> 01:12:51,350
and get you to a master plan that answers some of the questions about exactly how big

1011
01:12:51,350 --> 01:12:55,910
is that road, exactly how wide is that road, what's exactly going on there, meet the private

1012
01:12:55,910 --> 01:13:00,050
sector need in exactly the right way. All of the inherent questions that everybody

1013
01:13:00,050 --> 01:13:03,750
is wondering right now have your engineer in place and you have your architect

1014
01:13:03,750 --> 01:13:09,010
in place. You can ask those detailed questions, and my goal is to get you to December when

1015
01:13:09,010 --> 01:13:14,250
you have answered the questions, not because somebody went and studied it in a black box

1016
01:13:14,250 --> 01:13:19,070
somewhere, but because there was an open process in open forums with council to really

1017
01:13:19,070 --> 01:13:24,510
get into those questions in great detail. So this kicks off what I would call an iterative

1018
01:13:24,510 --> 01:13:29,170
procedure of trying to get feedback, the different ideas and make sure that we're

1019
01:13:29,170 --> 01:13:36,030
following. So to sum it up, we get one shot at this staple piece of property,

1020
01:13:36,170 --> 01:13:39,290
correct? I mean, we want to make sure we're doing it right and

1021
01:13:39,290 --> 01:13:44,310
attractive and that everyone's proud of on the council. Absolutely. Yes, sir.

1022
01:13:45,190 --> 01:13:48,610
Well, and I think it makes sense to you though, Chad, because like, you know, we

1023
01:13:48,610 --> 01:13:52,310
talked about the town center piece, we talked about the town hall piece,

1024
01:13:52,430 --> 01:13:55,090
we talked about the police department piece or whatever, but it's one track

1025
01:13:55,090 --> 01:14:00,830
land that the town owns that needs to, you know, kind of come together and look cohesive and then in

1026
01:14:00,830 --> 01:14:05,210
addition to that we have the extra challenge of the piece behind there that's the additional

1027
01:14:05,210 --> 01:14:09,130
whatever 12 acres or whatnot that even though it's owned by somebody else we want it to,

1028
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:15,410
you know, to flow together and to be cohesive and stuff like that. So I think that does make

1029
01:14:15,410 --> 01:14:21,350
sense. So, and correct me if I'm wrong here, so if we all are in unison here and agree,

1030
01:14:21,350 --> 01:14:27,710
like this is the model or the vibe our guy wants to follow, maybe that can kind of even

1031
01:14:27,710 --> 01:14:31,710
transcend to some further developments where now all of a sudden we have some conformity

1032
01:14:31,710 --> 01:14:33,030
and everybody's in unison.

1033
01:14:33,170 --> 01:14:36,650
I think that's a terrific point and I'm going to talk more about that in the next agenda

1034
01:14:36,650 --> 01:14:41,230
item because that's a little bit more the architect but the engineer's going to feed

1035
01:14:41,230 --> 01:14:42,530
into that as well so it's both.

1036
01:14:42,790 --> 01:14:43,010
Okay.

1037
01:14:43,870 --> 01:14:45,190
I did have one question.

1038
01:14:45,190 --> 01:14:55,890
I'm just looking at the, I guess the proposal for professional services on page 195 of our agenda packet where it talked about some of the preliminary things and the cost behind that.

1039
01:14:56,210 --> 01:14:59,950
So boundary survey was $6,500, typographic survey was $9,500.

1040
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:07,640
And my only question has, has none of that already been done? I mean, to some extent, I feel like,

1041
01:15:07,660 --> 01:15:11,840
I feel like we probably did a tree survey at some time before we bought the land or not

1042
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:13,680
or, I don't know, help me out.

1043
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:16,900
So when we got involved, no, none of that had been done. I think you purchased the property,

1044
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:21,060
which is kind of unusual without a boundary survey. So that hasn't been done. The topo

1045
01:15:21,060 --> 01:15:25,500
has been done. I don't think there's been a detailed tree survey, survey either. We

1046
01:15:25,500 --> 01:15:29,040
We don't have one of the records, so no, ma'am, none of that had been done.

1047
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:33,420
And my only question was like, you know, if we just did something six months ago, I don't

1048
01:15:33,420 --> 01:15:35,580
want to pay to redo it again, right?

1049
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:40,560
You'll recall when we purchased the property, the Six Acres had not been fully defined,

1050
01:15:40,860 --> 01:15:45,460
and the contract allowed for the definition of the Six Acres at a later point.

1051
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:51,480
The other thing from a legal standpoint that an engineer will do is help with

1052
01:15:51,480 --> 01:15:58,180
the proportionality analysis of who pays how much for what. Because we have to, all of

1053
01:15:58,180 --> 01:16:03,200
the drainage for the entire site has to work together and the parties will share proportionately

1054
01:16:03,660 --> 01:16:08,340
the costs for how much they're producing and that's one of the things that an engineer

1055
01:16:08,340 --> 01:16:12,220
will do is determine what the proportionality is.

1056
01:16:13,740 --> 01:16:21,960
If you recall, I know you do, the Waterbrook experience where there wasn't the right amount

1057
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:26,200
of work done and the impact that it had to one of the neighbors to the south.

1058
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:32,960
So the property across the street is higher than this, so it's, you got to take a lot.

1059
01:16:33,020 --> 01:16:36,280
I'm not an engineer, we got one engineer here on staff, so to speak, and maybe

1060
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:40,220
he wants to talk, but I would think all that has to be taken into consideration

1061
01:16:40,220 --> 01:16:44,140
because what if the

1062
01:16:55,790 --> 01:17:02,650
407 plans that exist in detail are from gateway going to the

1063
01:17:02,650 --> 01:17:08,490
West all right in this area there are no detailed 407 plans and frankly this is a

1064
01:17:08,490 --> 01:17:12,790
very important opportunity so thank you for bringing it up we will want done a

1065
01:17:12,790 --> 01:17:16,150
way to say you know what if you're going to make this a district if you're

1066
01:17:16,150 --> 01:17:19,490
going to make this work within the zone right which is what we're all

1067
01:17:19,490 --> 01:17:25,130
want it, right? We want not just six acres of really nice development, we want to turn

1068
01:17:25,130 --> 01:17:29,770
it into a sector, a zone where you can feel like, okay, I like this overall. Ben and Wade

1069
01:17:29,770 --> 01:17:34,210
will give us advice on that and give us, we hope, the best shot of getting tech stock

1070
01:17:34,210 --> 01:17:38,430
to say, oh, okay, we like Argyle's plan. We're going to adopt what Argyle did there.

1071
01:17:38,910 --> 01:17:43,910
Now that's easy said and hard to do, but having a professional engineering firm will

1072
01:17:43,910 --> 01:17:45,030
get us the best shot at that.

1073
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:53,520
Yeah, there's no identified, something like they need the

1074
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:55,980
first ten feet for something that they're doing.

1075
01:17:56,300 --> 01:17:57,500
So we need to hurry up and build.

1076
01:17:58,060 --> 01:17:58,660
There you go.

1077
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:06,180
That actually is true. You do want to get ahead of TextDog because, yeah, they don't

1078
01:18:06,180 --> 01:18:07,960
really consider what we want.

1079
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:09,680
For

1080
01:18:13,100 --> 01:18:19,240
resolution, so what you'll see is there's a resolution authorizing a professional services agreement,

1081
01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:23,300
professional services agreement is for the mayor to sign and it has the

1082
01:18:23,300 --> 01:18:25,760
attachment which is the done away agreement.

1083
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:30,100
Well I'll take a stab at it. I

1084
01:18:30,100 --> 01:18:33,840
mean I know we want to do this right the first time so I'll make a motion to

1085
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:36,940
approve action item number 12 as it's written.

1086
01:18:39,090 --> 01:18:40,750
I will second that. All right we

1087
01:18:40,750 --> 01:18:45,750
got a motion and a second. There's no further discussion. All those in favor?

1088
01:18:46,290 --> 01:18:52,370
Aye. Anybody oppose? Okay so the motion carries. So that brings us to item

1089
01:18:52,370 --> 01:18:57,950
item number 13, consider and take action on resolution 2025-34, authorizing the mayor

1090
01:18:57,950 --> 01:19:03,990
to execute a professional service agreement with GFF architects for civil design services

1091
01:19:03,990 --> 01:19:10,810
related to the Town Center project in an amount of $69,060 located on the six-acre tract of

1092
01:19:10,810 --> 01:19:12,930
along 407, FM-407.

1093
01:19:13,350 --> 01:19:20,590
So similar idea here, we've used Ramel to come up with a well-procured architect,

1094
01:19:20,970 --> 01:19:21,070
right?

1095
01:19:21,070 --> 01:19:23,010
We've looked at various architecture firms.

1096
01:19:23,450 --> 01:19:25,550
We've had presentations from architecture firms.

1097
01:19:25,730 --> 01:19:27,150
We've gone, we've asked them questions,

1098
01:19:27,470 --> 01:19:32,350
tried to figure out, okay, who's the best firm that can really meet the needs of the town and the district?

1099
01:19:33,030 --> 01:19:36,070
DFF is the firm that bubbled up to pop in that process.

1100
01:19:36,450 --> 01:19:41,130
We've got confidence in them in order to bring you the life cycle of this.

1101
01:19:41,670 --> 01:19:46,450
On agenda item page 208, we made sure we wanted to really highlight here.

1102
01:19:46,550 --> 01:19:50,210
There's three things that we're going to be asking this firm to do.

1103
01:19:50,210 --> 01:19:53,890
and we've got a master plan, visioning for the site and building.

1104
01:19:54,350 --> 01:19:57,850
That's the step you're going to embark on. That's the $69,000

1105
01:19:57,850 --> 01:20:00,870
associated with this particular part of the project.

1106
01:20:01,630 --> 01:20:05,990
Whenever you say move forward on there, they're going to look at what you call the programming

1107
01:20:05,990 --> 01:20:09,970
of the building. So if you have ever been through the construction process, you talk

1108
01:20:09,970 --> 01:20:14,010
about an architect programming a building. How many square feet are for

1109
01:20:14,010 --> 01:20:17,870
the men's locker room? How many square feet are for the ladies' locker room?

1110
01:20:17,870 --> 01:20:19,450
How many square feet's the lobby?

1111
01:20:19,870 --> 01:20:21,950
How many people are we building this building for?

1112
01:20:22,230 --> 01:20:24,330
Are we building an emergency operations center

1113
01:20:24,330 --> 01:20:27,770
that can do X, Y, Z, or are we gonna forego that expense?

1114
01:20:28,210 --> 01:20:31,030
We need a property room, but we don't need a dispatch, right?

1115
01:20:31,190 --> 01:20:33,030
So all of that thinking goes into it,

1116
01:20:33,310 --> 01:20:34,550
and they'll come up with a number.

1117
01:20:34,810 --> 01:20:36,190
So we've kicked around, well, gee,

1118
01:20:36,250 --> 01:20:37,650
what if it's 8,000 square feet?

1119
01:20:38,030 --> 01:20:40,170
Had another study done several years ago

1120
01:20:40,170 --> 01:20:41,570
that looked at putting the police building

1121
01:20:41,570 --> 01:20:42,510
on this piece of land.

1122
01:20:42,850 --> 01:20:44,750
That was more around 6,000 square feet.

1123
01:20:44,850 --> 01:20:46,710
What's the exact right number of square feet?

1124
01:20:46,710 --> 01:20:51,150
We would not want to offer to you an exact right number of square feet right now, right?

1125
01:20:51,510 --> 01:20:58,150
We want to make sure that you go through the programming process and get to the end game there, give you all of that.

1126
01:20:58,450 --> 01:21:02,730
I think very important questions that you guys should ask as part of that would be things like,

1127
01:21:02,890 --> 01:21:04,890
are we going to move our town hall immediately?

1128
01:21:05,490 --> 01:21:07,810
Are we going to build this first or are we going to build that first?

1129
01:21:08,230 --> 01:21:14,970
If we move only police building, will we be able to have city council meetings in the Emergency Operations Center?

1130
01:21:15,410 --> 01:21:18,750
All of those questions are ones that are natural at this stage,

1131
01:21:19,010 --> 01:21:20,450
but we don't want to answer right now.

1132
01:21:20,650 --> 01:21:23,890
We want to make sure that we put some real math to the cost of the building

1133
01:21:23,890 --> 01:21:26,110
and you're not in the position of saying,

1134
01:21:26,170 --> 01:21:28,070
well, I want it, but I don't know how expensive it is.

1135
01:21:28,630 --> 01:21:31,650
You want your architect to be able to go through a programming process,

1136
01:21:32,030 --> 01:21:33,890
be able to answer to you definitively.

1137
01:21:34,410 --> 01:21:39,230
If you put it as a 10,000 square foot building that includes everything in the world,

1138
01:21:39,910 --> 01:21:42,130
then here's how expensive it's going to be.

1139
01:21:42,130 --> 01:21:47,250
If you want to minimize your expenses and move phase one, phase two, here's the cost

1140
01:21:47,250 --> 01:21:51,290
of phase one and the size of phase one, here's the cost of phase two and the size of phase

1141
01:21:51,290 --> 01:21:51,530
two.

1142
01:21:51,830 --> 01:21:56,150
And you're doing it with numbers from an architecture firm that's really embedded through that process.

1143
01:21:57,450 --> 01:22:00,930
So that's what they would be doing under the heading of master plan.

1144
01:22:01,390 --> 01:22:05,510
And again, it's a series of presentations to you and discussions with you about what

1145
01:22:05,510 --> 01:22:08,950
your options are, where they don't go to the next step until you say, yep,

1146
01:22:09,010 --> 01:22:09,830
we like that option.

1147
01:22:10,570 --> 01:22:14,830
Number two, a small area plan and zoning overlay for the core zone.

1148
01:22:15,610 --> 01:22:18,690
So, Councilman Boyd, you just brought this exact issue up, right?

1149
01:22:19,050 --> 01:22:21,910
You're basically putting your signature on this building and saying,

1150
01:22:22,250 --> 01:22:26,130
this stands for Argyle, this is our major investment, major new public building.

1151
01:22:26,630 --> 01:22:31,790
Why would you not use that architectural theme, those building standards,

1152
01:22:32,070 --> 01:22:36,330
those things that you're doing on that site to help define the area around it?

1153
01:22:36,330 --> 01:22:39,050
We know enough to put our arms around that right now.

1154
01:22:39,270 --> 01:22:41,910
Not really, but if you have the same architectural firm

1155
01:22:41,910 --> 01:22:44,310
doing what you would call a small area plan

1156
01:22:44,310 --> 01:22:46,790
and doing a zoning overlay within that area,

1157
01:22:47,190 --> 01:22:51,290
we'll roughly start just thinking about that 377407 intersection.

1158
01:22:51,650 --> 01:22:54,770
Okay, what if I had a battle plan for that area overall

1159
01:22:55,150 --> 01:22:57,650
and I knew what I wanted to do within that overall district.

1160
01:22:58,030 --> 01:23:00,950
We feel that they can be working currently on master plan

1161
01:23:00,950 --> 01:23:02,650
and on small area plan.

1162
01:23:02,650 --> 01:23:07,410
You feel like we can bring to you at a future agenda, maybe August, maybe September, an

1163
01:23:07,410 --> 01:23:09,270
opportunity to vote on the small area plans.

1164
01:23:09,550 --> 01:23:10,510
That's not this money.

1165
01:23:10,670 --> 01:23:11,690
That would be another step.

1166
01:23:12,510 --> 01:23:14,750
And so that's items one and two.

1167
01:23:15,050 --> 01:23:20,150
And then item three is after a approval by the council of a master plan.

1168
01:23:20,590 --> 01:23:22,250
We think that's December.

1169
01:23:22,910 --> 01:23:27,290
Then you would use this same firm to take you all the way to the end zone of final

1170
01:23:27,290 --> 01:23:28,590
architectural services.

1171
01:23:28,590 --> 01:23:31,870
is get your bid documents ready and oversee the process

1172
01:23:31,870 --> 01:23:33,210
all the way through the introduction.

1173
01:23:33,690 --> 01:23:36,510
That's our recommendation for the three steps with GFF.

1174
01:23:36,950 --> 01:23:39,670
The only thing to vote on tonight is step one,

1175
01:23:39,970 --> 01:23:42,430
which is creating that master plan for GFF.

1176
01:23:44,500 --> 01:23:47,140
It is only staff vetted GFF.

1177
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:50,540
We work with the amount which Carl hired

1178
01:23:50,540 --> 01:23:51,980
to help us work through the process,

1179
01:23:52,220 --> 01:23:54,080
but that's been the work with GFF.

1180
01:23:54,440 --> 01:23:57,160
It makes calls and get referenced with GFF.

1181
01:23:57,340 --> 01:23:58,760
What if you could distribute some portfolio

1182
01:23:58,760 --> 01:23:59,800
of cement.

1183
01:23:59,920 --> 01:24:00,480
Oh, absolutely.

1184
01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:06,860
They did a very good job in their presentation to us, showing us their capabilities of all

1185
01:24:06,860 --> 01:24:14,660
the firms they absolutely did of and beyond showing us prep work into it, that they were

1186
01:24:14,660 --> 01:24:16,080
there to really earn the project.

1187
01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:21,460
They've got a better planning of service for the other firms, which means that that

1188
01:24:21,460 --> 01:24:26,280
small area plan and element will be professional for sideways.

1189
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:35,380
So several meetings back, we were given presentation that kind of combined the concept

1190
01:24:35,380 --> 01:24:39,420
for the six acres along with the concept for the 12 acres.

1191
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:46,880
Would this design in any way coordinate with, obviously, the property owner of the

1192
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:47,420
12 acres?

1193
01:24:47,820 --> 01:24:51,060
It should be kind of in a uniform would be my feeling, right?

1194
01:24:51,060 --> 01:24:57,640
Right. So the point that we're making is that that is an input to their work, right?

1195
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:01,900
So they've got that. The MDD helped coordinate and made that happen.

1196
01:25:02,260 --> 01:25:06,560
And that is a direction the owner of the 12 acres would like to go.

1197
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:11,660
So that's input. You need to be considered that input as part of your overall decision-making process.

1198
01:25:11,860 --> 01:25:13,040
So we'll get that all coordinated.

1199
01:25:13,740 --> 01:25:15,700
Yeah, I was having a conversation with the mayor the other day.

1200
01:25:15,700 --> 01:25:21,460
one thing we do lack and we're in such the infancy stages of developing is having boundaries

1201
01:25:21,460 --> 01:25:27,180
or a box of how we are constructing or an architectural design. Even my daughter and

1202
01:25:27,180 --> 01:25:32,520
I were in New Orleans last week and over the weekend and even the French Quarter, even

1203
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:37,120
though it's old and worn down as is, you can only use these paint colors and you can't

1204
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:40,620
do any modifications unless it looks like this. If you go up a notch, you go to

1205
01:25:40,620 --> 01:25:45,160
Westlake and you can only use this stone. I think we do need a defining stance

1206
01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:57,620
So I spoke to Mike about this, go my memory, I think we have five different projects in

1207
01:25:57,620 --> 01:25:58,240
that area.

1208
01:25:58,460 --> 01:26:06,220
And if you look at the area in question, it's south of Cook, north of French town, east

1209
01:26:06,220 --> 01:26:12,960
of 377, and just a little bit west, I'm sorry, a little bit east of Myrtle.

1210
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:17,920
If you take those two quadrants, there's at least five different projects.

1211
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:21,100
Two of them under contract, one is already closed.

1212
01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:26,860
And so to the point what you're saying, Council Member Boyd, it's very important that we have

1213
01:26:26,860 --> 01:26:31,960
some kind of unified look and I think that's what Mr. Sims is trying to essentially achieve

1214
01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:32,200
here.

1215
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:34,280
And I think he understands the importance of that.

1216
01:26:34,460 --> 01:26:34,700
Yeah.

1217
01:26:34,860 --> 01:26:38,460
The master plan tells you how big a thing you're building, what's in it.

1218
01:26:39,080 --> 01:26:40,940
And that's what this contract is.

1219
01:26:40,940 --> 01:26:44,920
The next contract that we would propose to bring forward to you for your consideration

1220
01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:49,560
either August or September, same firm, will be that number two item which is to create

1221
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:51,480
your small area plan and your zoning overlay.

1222
01:26:52,100 --> 01:26:56,380
And that's where you get, I've had this conversation with one of the other elected

1223
01:26:56,380 --> 01:27:00,600
officials here, that's where you turn the page from, well, we're reactive and we

1224
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:05,000
just try to make it up whenever somebody says, here's what I'm building.

1225
01:27:05,660 --> 01:27:07,200
That's not a good position, right?

1226
01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:08,180
You want to be proactive.

1227
01:27:08,180 --> 01:27:10,820
If you want to have your own vision for what you want to do,

1228
01:27:11,260 --> 01:27:12,300
otherwise you're just playing.

1229
01:27:12,780 --> 01:27:15,560
That's not helpful to the developer or yourself.

1230
01:27:19,740 --> 01:27:22,540
So I wouldn't say that we're far ahead of it,

1231
01:27:22,620 --> 01:27:25,140
but I think there's still room to catch up

1232
01:27:25,140 --> 01:27:28,340
and get in front of the, before they come for proposals.

1233
01:27:28,620 --> 01:27:30,320
So our staff has the standards

1234
01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:31,860
that we want those folks to live up to.

1235
01:27:32,240 --> 01:27:33,540
The thing that we're missing really

1236
01:27:34,140 --> 01:27:36,380
is we don't have a distinct downtown,

1237
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:39,460
like some smaller communities and old downtown.

1238
01:27:39,460 --> 01:27:45,120
So we're essentially creating a new old town or downtown if you will and have that kind of a look

1239
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:51,080
And I think there'll be plenty of time for input, but I've encouraged Mike to really really, you know turn up

1240
01:27:51,740 --> 01:27:56,920
The the emphasis on this because we can't wait much longer and start having projects come to us

1241
01:27:56,920 --> 01:28:03,100
You know, there are some buildings now that my opinion don't reflect what I think our guy wants to look like and

1242
01:28:03,100 --> 01:28:05,420
You're gonna have a hodgepodge before you know it

1243
01:28:31,860 --> 01:28:34,180
into those tracks, too, again, so.

1244
01:28:34,280 --> 01:28:37,600
And that is the goal, Mike, is to extend that, you know,

1245
01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:38,400
whatever design we need.

1246
01:28:38,420 --> 01:28:40,700
I'm only taking a step-by-step approach here.

1247
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:45,960
Step one is doing this, I think Councilman Branding's 100%

1248
01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:46,360
correct.

1249
01:28:46,720 --> 01:28:49,560
You also very much need to be proactive on your I-35

1250
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:51,760
corridor, and if Council wishes,

1251
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:53,960
we can make sure that it's included.

1252
01:28:54,120 --> 01:28:56,920
I can talk to the Mayor about finding a place for that

1253
01:28:56,920 --> 01:28:57,840
in the next year's budget.

1254
01:28:58,100 --> 01:28:59,300
I think it's important to be proactive.

1255
01:28:59,300 --> 01:28:59,640
of that.

1256
01:28:59,820 --> 01:29:00,800
I don't understand the detail of the box.

1257
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:01,620
We're going to get back to you.

1258
01:29:01,620 --> 01:29:06,520
Yeah, I mean, there are projects happening on the heath and heritage.

1259
01:29:06,900 --> 01:29:10,840
We know it's coming, and it's just a matter, and I've shared that with a couple of you

1260
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:15,540
all, is start thinking what is important to you, and it's in fairness to the developers

1261
01:29:15,540 --> 01:29:19,520
because they get very frustrated when all of a sudden we put the brakes on, but

1262
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:21,580
we sit there and we don't know what we want, you know?

1263
01:29:21,820 --> 01:29:23,960
So the fair question, what do we want?

1264
01:29:24,100 --> 01:29:28,540
Let's identify it, let's define it, and that way I think we're going to move

1265
01:29:28,540 --> 01:29:30,080
move along much quicker and get a better product.

1266
01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:35,180
In terms of just this item tonight, again, same format we put into resolution.

1267
01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:41,100
Resolution authorizes the Mayor to sign a professional services agreement

1268
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:45,820
on an outline of the proposal that was provided to you.

1269
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:48,880
I think this one incorrectly lists me as the signer of that.

1270
01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:53,380
But if you'll prove the resolution, then we'll fix that clarifier.

1271
01:29:54,620 --> 01:29:55,060
Clarke.

1272
01:29:56,360 --> 01:29:59,980
Brenda would not let me have the executive session to show you.

1273
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:04,780
I have to convey it in a different way, but the point I'm getting at, you should be very,

1274
01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:11,080
very excited what's coming down the pipeline. There are people very interested in Argonne,

1275
01:30:11,180 --> 01:30:13,060
and so there's an opportunity here.

1276
01:30:20,120 --> 01:30:23,260
Well, I'll make a motion to approve agenda item 13 as presented.

1277
01:30:23,980 --> 01:30:24,420
I'll second.

1278
01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:29,540
Okay. We have a motion to approve in a second. Any other discussion? No other discussion?

1279
01:30:29,660 --> 01:30:30,300
All those in favor?

1280
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:30,880
Aye.

1281
01:30:31,380 --> 01:30:35,780
Anybody opposed? Okay. It carries. So it brings us to item number 14, consider

1282
01:30:35,780 --> 01:30:37,240
that are approved at Ordinance 2025

1283
01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:41,280
amending the fiscal year 2024-2025 budget

1284
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:43,720
to allocate equipment replacement funds

1285
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:45,700
for the purchase of an interstate trailer,

1286
01:30:48,240 --> 01:30:50,000
G20DT flatbed equipment trailer.

1287
01:30:50,440 --> 01:30:52,600
So, Mayor and Council, I'm gonna immediately be

1288
01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:55,140
out of my element, but one of the things

1289
01:30:55,140 --> 01:30:57,260
that you do when you're in my position

1290
01:30:57,260 --> 01:30:59,580
is you asked your fleet manager,

1291
01:31:00,020 --> 01:31:01,560
hey, are we up to snuff

1292
01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:03,120
and are we obeying all the rules?

1293
01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:07,860
Are we dragging around any equipment on something that's actually breaking the law?

1294
01:31:08,440 --> 01:31:14,320
And Bobby actually brought to me a proactive piece of information from himself as director

1295
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:19,120
and said, look, we got a problem here because sometime fairly recently,

1296
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:23,380
I can't say exactly when, but sometime fairly recently there was a purchase of a trailer

1297
01:31:23,380 --> 01:31:28,240
to haul our heaviest equipment and it doesn't meet the weight requirements

1298
01:31:28,240 --> 01:31:30,100
associated with our heaviest equipment.

1299
01:31:30,100 --> 01:31:36,140
So what we'd like to do is to make that fairly new, fairly recently purchased trailer something

1300
01:31:36,140 --> 01:31:40,960
that's our number two trailer instead of our number one trailer and go ahead and buy the

1301
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:43,960
trailer shown to you here because it does meet the weight requirements.

1302
01:31:44,380 --> 01:31:47,720
It's a little frustrating because I think you probably would wish that you'd bought

1303
01:31:47,720 --> 01:31:53,320
the larger trailer to begin with, but nevertheless if we do make this purchase it is a one

1304
01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:58,360
that fits all of our heaviest equipment and it will make us more efficient in response,

1305
01:31:58,360 --> 01:32:01,980
give us a safer response because it does meet freight loads.

1306
01:32:03,140 --> 01:32:06,360
I could not do it under my budget authority because it exceeds

1307
01:32:06,360 --> 01:32:11,280
the maximum that you guys had set in your FY25 budget.

1308
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:14,620
We needed that just a little bit of additional funds available

1309
01:32:14,620 --> 01:32:16,260
in order to forward on this.

1310
01:32:16,660 --> 01:32:18,740
We're hauling backhoes and skid steers?

1311
01:32:19,180 --> 01:32:20,060
Yeah, Bob, you want to?

1312
01:32:27,300 --> 01:32:30,100
Our skid steer does fit on the current trailer.

1313
01:32:30,100 --> 01:32:36,720
We have a mini-escavator that within 150 pounds of our trailer can hold.

1314
01:32:37,260 --> 01:32:39,860
And our backhoe is overweight.

1315
01:32:40,160 --> 01:32:42,040
What are the axles on the current trailer?

1316
01:32:42,980 --> 01:32:47,380
I don't remember the specs on the current trailer. It was purchased before my appointment.

1317
01:32:48,140 --> 01:32:52,780
Because that would be an important determination and seeing if the weight load was adequate.

1318
01:32:52,780 --> 01:32:59,820
And the current trailer we have is a is a tandem axle, but it's single single wheel on both sides this particular trailer

1319
01:33:00,940 --> 01:33:04,860
Dual wheels on both axles actually eight wheel

1320
01:33:06,740 --> 01:33:11,020
This one's I think the skid steer probably weighs more than the Mini X

1321
01:33:11,020 --> 01:33:16,920
And I'm actually the skid steer play weighs more than the backhoe to our current skid steer is a small one

1322
01:33:16,920 --> 01:33:22,300
And is it on wheels or tracks? It's on wheels. Okay. It's probably only around seven thousand pounds

1323
01:33:22,300 --> 01:33:30,800
pounds. Our mini-esque here is closer to 11,000 pounds. This particular trailer here holds

1324
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:41,700
20,000 pounds. Our backhoe is closer to 15,000 to 16,000 pounds. Obviously, we don't have

1325
01:33:41,700 --> 01:33:48,100
right now. Plus, our current trailer has the flatbed spaces between the tire. This

1326
01:33:48,100 --> 01:33:49,900
This is on top of what we have on the platform.

1327
01:33:49,900 --> 01:33:52,980
Something to consider, because I'm guessing it's a 20 foot in length.

1328
01:33:53,100 --> 01:33:53,520
Is that right?

1329
01:33:53,780 --> 01:33:56,320
No, this one holds 20,000 pounds.

1330
01:33:56,360 --> 01:33:57,580
So it's 10,000 pound axles?

1331
01:33:57,820 --> 01:33:57,880
Yes.

1332
01:33:58,460 --> 01:34:04,320
Okay, so keep in mind the weight of the trailer subtracts from the axles too.

1333
01:34:04,700 --> 01:34:09,880
Well, this trailer is rated to carry the weight we need for our backup.

1334
01:34:10,200 --> 01:34:11,320
I'll just give you some advice.

1335
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:12,160
Just heads up.

1336
01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:15,300
What do you use when you pull this weight?

1337
01:34:16,300 --> 01:34:21,360
This can be pulled with what we call our crew truck. We have a one ton that already has a gooseneck.

1338
01:34:21,800 --> 01:34:22,940
And they have DOT license?

1339
01:34:23,500 --> 01:34:23,820
What's that?

1340
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:25,060
They have a DOT driver's license?

1341
01:34:25,360 --> 01:34:26,100
Three of us do.

1342
01:34:30,860 --> 01:34:36,680
How many trailers do we have now? Just the one that isn't as good as we need it to be?

1343
01:34:40,370 --> 01:34:43,250
Some of the older trailers were on our surplus list.

1344
01:34:44,790 --> 01:34:52,130
Together, we probably have five trailers right now that are flatbed trailers, but we want

1345
01:34:52,130 --> 01:34:58,550
to get a couple of them that are older trailers that don't necessarily need, and if we were

1346
01:34:58,550 --> 01:35:04,510
able to add something like this on and as I was saying, be able to step the other one

1347
01:35:04,510 --> 01:35:08,990
to do a little bit more flexible things and use this for the heavier equipment.

1348
01:35:09,590 --> 01:35:13,410
What I think that you know we should recognize that there was a cost savings in

1349
01:35:13,410 --> 01:35:17,190
the purchase of the vehicle or whatever like it was budgeted for X amount and you

1350
01:35:17,190 --> 01:35:20,770
guys were able to get something cheaper than that so that's really good and then

1351
01:35:20,770 --> 01:35:25,070
also if we're able to get some money back for the trailers that we don't

1352
01:35:25,070 --> 01:35:28,750
need that we can sell that is you know another way to help kind of offset the

1353
01:35:28,750 --> 01:35:32,070
cost of the new one here that you need. I wouldn't put your hopes on that

1354
01:35:32,070 --> 01:35:34,690
because there's a lot of government auctions out there I've been

1355
01:35:34,690 --> 01:35:39,510
looking at them and they sell for some ridiculously low prices.

1356
01:35:39,610 --> 01:35:42,890
Ron is interested in some of the lesser priced trailers.

1357
01:35:43,970 --> 01:35:45,510
Unfortunately, I can't stand in that line.

1358
01:35:46,050 --> 01:35:49,890
That is what I'm hearing. He has some things that he wants to haul around, so...

1359
01:35:49,890 --> 01:35:51,810
How many jeeps can you put in for the price?

1360
01:35:59,840 --> 01:36:00,760
Twenty grand.

1361
01:36:04,100 --> 01:36:06,400
We're talking about roughly twenty grand.

1362
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:09,860
We had around 15 left in the budget.

1363
01:36:10,440 --> 01:36:15,580
We just needed this additional $4,700 of budget.

1364
01:36:18,370 --> 01:36:19,470
A motion to approve.

1365
01:36:19,550 --> 01:36:20,530
Item 14 is written.

1366
01:36:21,830 --> 01:36:22,430
Second.

1367
01:36:22,770 --> 01:36:22,930
Next.

1368
01:36:25,490 --> 01:36:26,690
All right.

1369
01:36:28,010 --> 01:36:30,150
So we have a motion to approve and a second.

1370
01:36:30,470 --> 01:36:31,210
All those in favor?

1371
01:36:31,610 --> 01:36:31,950
Aye.

1372
01:36:32,690 --> 01:36:33,530
Anybody opposed?

1373
01:36:34,250 --> 01:36:34,630
Okay.

1374
01:36:34,690 --> 01:36:35,450
Well, the motion carries.

1375
01:36:35,450 --> 01:36:39,970
brings us to item number 15, Discuss and Consider Actual and Ordnance Authorizing Issuance

1376
01:36:39,970 --> 01:36:46,470
of Town of Argon, Texas Tax Notes Series 2025, specifying the terms and features of said

1377
01:36:46,470 --> 01:36:51,230
notes, levy in a continuing direct annual ad valorem tax for the payment of said notes

1378
01:36:51,230 --> 01:36:55,770
and resolving other matters, incident and related to the issuance sale payment, delivery

1379
01:36:55,770 --> 01:36:59,890
of said notes, including approval and execution of paying age and registrar agreement,

1380
01:37:00,470 --> 01:37:03,050
and a purchase letter and providing an effective date.

1381
01:37:03,050 --> 01:37:04,890
Before you say something, Mr. Sims,

1382
01:37:05,030 --> 01:37:07,750
I just want to clarify something from the last meeting

1383
01:37:07,750 --> 01:37:11,610
that I think could have been misconstrued.

1384
01:37:13,270 --> 01:37:17,690
Ms. McDonald made a comment that if it was interpreted,

1385
01:37:18,190 --> 01:37:19,630
could seem like we were trying,

1386
01:37:19,890 --> 01:37:22,310
that we wanted to rush through some bonds

1387
01:37:22,310 --> 01:37:24,470
before the legislature changed,

1388
01:37:24,930 --> 01:37:26,370
and that's not the case at all.

1389
01:37:26,470 --> 01:37:27,990
If we were to float a bond,

1390
01:37:28,030 --> 01:37:29,930
which is not a certificate of occupancy,

1391
01:37:29,930 --> 01:37:33,090
if we would want full input from the community.

1392
01:37:33,690 --> 01:37:35,390
You had made this, I just remember that.

1393
01:37:35,530 --> 01:37:36,270
I got a call on it.

1394
01:37:37,410 --> 01:37:41,870
So, Mayor, I would say that this is the small thing

1395
01:37:41,870 --> 01:37:44,730
and this is not the big thing, right?

1396
01:37:45,310 --> 01:37:47,170
In preparation for the big thing,

1397
01:37:47,350 --> 01:37:49,630
borrowing the money for the construction costs,

1398
01:37:50,310 --> 01:37:52,730
that's where that conversation goes to.

1399
01:37:53,570 --> 01:37:55,510
This part of the conversation is,

1400
01:37:55,650 --> 01:37:57,570
okay, we've got pre-construction expenses

1401
01:37:57,570 --> 01:38:00,290
as one will when one is building a public building

1402
01:38:00,860 --> 01:38:03,110
and the grounds around it and all that good stuff.

1403
01:38:03,730 --> 01:38:05,970
So what is our method of paying for that?

1404
01:38:06,430 --> 01:38:09,150
Our suggestion at the staff level was to go ahead

1405
01:38:09,150 --> 01:38:12,250
and take $750,000, borrow that,

1406
01:38:12,470 --> 01:38:14,090
pay it off over a two year period

1407
01:38:14,520 --> 01:38:17,570
and make sure that we're keeping our INS tax rate

1408
01:38:17,570 --> 01:38:19,390
in the state where if we do wanna make

1409
01:38:19,390 --> 01:38:20,770
a larger borrow in the future,

1410
01:38:21,110 --> 01:38:24,050
you've preserved your INS capacity to do so

1411
01:38:24,650 --> 01:38:26,710
and moving forward at this time now

1412
01:38:26,710 --> 01:38:31,470
with that 750 allows you to do something I think is very important in the financial strategy

1413
01:38:31,470 --> 01:38:37,610
of this town. You've got $2 million at the end of FY25 that you will have put aside

1414
01:38:38,020 --> 01:38:45,130
the police headquarter town center. So you've got FY23, you put about a half million aside.

1415
01:38:45,510 --> 01:38:50,250
FY24 I think it was a million. And then this year you're putting another half million

1416
01:38:50,710 --> 01:38:57,530
a side. That gives you $2 million in a savings account identified strictly for police building.

1417
01:38:58,090 --> 01:39:03,830
Okay. Now the intent was to use that for construction money. We don't want to burn that $2 million on the

1418
01:39:03,830 --> 01:39:08,830
pre-construction expenses. We want to do this little short-term borrowing paid off over a two-year

1419
01:39:08,830 --> 01:39:14,530
period. So that's pretty quick, right? You pay it off over a two-year period and help you deliver

1420
01:39:14,530 --> 01:39:16,530
for your pre-construction expenses

1421
01:39:16,530 --> 01:39:18,270
with this small scale tax note

1422
01:39:18,270 --> 01:39:22,370
and at the same time preserve your equity position

1423
01:39:22,370 --> 01:39:23,950
that you're gonna be able to put in your building.

1424
01:39:24,490 --> 01:39:28,370
So trying to keep the financial strategy moving forward.

1425
01:39:29,110 --> 01:39:30,490
I've got Hilltop here.

1426
01:39:30,710 --> 01:39:32,230
I've got Norton Rose Fulbright here.

1427
01:39:32,650 --> 01:39:36,770
That's your financial advisor and you are on council.

1428
01:39:37,150 --> 01:39:39,110
They can answer more detailed questions about it

1429
01:39:39,110 --> 01:39:40,850
but we're happy to come forward and recommend it

1430
01:39:40,850 --> 01:39:43,970
gotten good pricing on this orchard.

1431
01:39:45,030 --> 01:39:48,830
And so did you audit, you sure it's $2 million at the end of this fiscal year?

1432
01:39:48,870 --> 01:39:51,090
We did go through those details. Yes. Okay.

1433
01:39:53,890 --> 01:39:57,690
I was going to ask about borrowing the money a little cheaper.

1434
01:39:57,970 --> 01:40:00,870
So do we have $20 million saved up somewhere?

1435
01:40:01,050 --> 01:40:04,710
Is that right? We have $23 million total in all funds. I mean, it's not

1436
01:40:04,710 --> 01:40:09,070
in the general fund that's less, but in total we do. And so some of them

1437
01:40:09,070 --> 01:40:10,590
can't be used for this purpose.

1438
01:40:10,990 --> 01:40:12,130
We can borrow it against that, though?

1439
01:40:12,670 --> 01:40:13,550
No, I don't know about that.

1440
01:40:13,910 --> 01:40:17,850
So the idea in this instant wasn't to loan from fund to fund.

1441
01:40:18,070 --> 01:40:20,450
There are local governments that loan from fund to fund.

1442
01:40:20,890 --> 01:40:22,710
And I would say that I don't know

1443
01:40:22,710 --> 01:40:25,830
that you've got a purse enough structure here

1444
01:40:26,350 --> 01:40:28,110
to be loaning from fund to fund.

1445
01:40:28,350 --> 01:40:31,850
I think here the aim was making sure you managed

1446
01:40:31,850 --> 01:40:33,230
two things at the same time.

1447
01:40:33,430 --> 01:40:36,010
One is preserving your $2 million

1448
01:40:36,010 --> 01:40:39,310
and not buying it down by spending a lot of pre-construction.

1449
01:40:39,830 --> 01:40:44,270
On the other hand, you want to make sure that your INS tax rate has some stability to it.

1450
01:40:44,590 --> 01:40:47,030
Your INS tax rate can fluctuate up and down,

1451
01:40:47,170 --> 01:40:51,590
given valuations and all that good stuff, and the amount of debt that you have.

1452
01:40:51,790 --> 01:40:55,810
By taking the 750 and putting into your debt structure at this time

1453
01:40:55,810 --> 01:41:00,370
on your INS tax rate right now, that gives you a level way of moving forward.

1454
01:41:00,890 --> 01:41:03,970
Tax payer is unaffected. You're not changing your tax rate.

1455
01:41:03,970 --> 01:41:06,350
but you're also not letting that INS tax rate

1456
01:41:06,350 --> 01:41:08,990
fall off a cliff, which would impact your flexibility

1457
01:41:08,990 --> 01:41:10,070
in future years.

1458
01:41:10,450 --> 01:41:12,930
So you understand that there's INS,

1459
01:41:13,430 --> 01:41:17,010
interest in sinking, and MNO, maintenance and operations.

1460
01:41:17,790 --> 01:41:20,990
That's essentially what makes up the 0.34 cents, right?

1461
01:41:22,070 --> 01:41:24,850
And there's other factors coming to play about,

1462
01:41:24,990 --> 01:41:29,330
you know, legislature that caps how much we can increase

1463
01:41:29,330 --> 01:41:33,050
on an annual basis, but that can be offset

1464
01:41:33,050 --> 01:41:38,270
if that's a good way of saying that, with an increase in INS funds.

1465
01:41:38,730 --> 01:41:38,890
Am I?

1466
01:41:39,130 --> 01:41:39,530
Absolutely.

1467
01:41:39,850 --> 01:41:40,030
Yes, sir.

1468
01:41:40,030 --> 01:41:40,250
Okay.

1469
01:41:40,750 --> 01:41:45,470
And so, there is some strategy that comes along with this.

1470
01:41:46,610 --> 01:41:50,130
I don't know where we're going to be on interest, five and a half percent, is that?

1471
01:41:50,510 --> 01:41:54,650
I believe we ended up at even 4.125, what am I trying to say?

1472
01:41:56,810 --> 01:41:57,130
Yeah.

1473
01:41:57,190 --> 01:41:58,150
4.195.

1474
01:41:58,310 --> 01:42:01,810
And so, you know, you're a little bit less than 40,000 for the first year.

1475
01:42:01,810 --> 01:42:10,130
The only thing I think everyone has to understand is, excuse me, every year we've been tucking

1476
01:42:10,130 --> 01:42:15,170
away half a million dollars that's essentially from a surplus towards this, whatever we're

1477
01:42:15,170 --> 01:42:17,430
doing at the municipal complex.

1478
01:42:17,950 --> 01:42:24,710
Well, you're going to have debt service of half plus the interest every year, so that's

1479
01:42:24,710 --> 01:42:26,930
going to make that squeeze a little bit harder, right?

1480
01:42:27,030 --> 01:42:31,290
We have to either generate more of a surplus, and I know Mike is working on that.

1481
01:42:31,290 --> 01:42:35,210
his directive, and we're not there yet, we're not, what, Brenda left so I can get away with

1482
01:42:35,210 --> 01:42:40,590
it, but we're not talking about, we're not talking about budget right now, so, but he's

1483
01:42:40,590 --> 01:42:46,270
working hard to maintain our expenses where they are, but just keep that in mind, so it's

1484
01:42:46,270 --> 01:42:51,730
half a million that we're trying to tuck away every year, plus whatever, 400,000 probably

1485
01:42:51,730 --> 01:42:56,710
the first year, so 900,000 that we're going to have to have as surplus.

1486
01:42:57,650 --> 01:43:03,390
I'm very, usually very critical of our finance reports, but the last one you gave that explained

1487
01:43:03,390 --> 01:43:07,770
the bonds falling off and our INS capacity needing to be increased, I really appreciated

1488
01:43:07,770 --> 01:43:13,530
that and I'm very clearly done and like I say, I'm just so glad you noticed that.

1489
01:43:13,990 --> 01:43:15,590
So take advantage of this opportunity.

1490
01:43:16,170 --> 01:43:19,990
And I did put an updated version of that in the Council packet.

1491
01:43:20,130 --> 01:43:24,050
I didn't want to read it to you tonight, but it is a little dry, but that analysis

1492
01:43:24,050 --> 01:43:25,690
was updated and provided again.

1493
01:43:25,690 --> 01:43:30,050
And so, Council Member Brady, one of the things I do want to, we had conversation, do want

1494
01:43:30,050 --> 01:43:37,470
to clarify, but let Mr. Sims clarify that, that this money is not earmarked for one building

1495
01:43:37,470 --> 01:43:42,390
or the other necessarily, it is earmarked for the towns, for the municipal complex.

1496
01:43:43,150 --> 01:43:43,410
Yes, sir.

1497
01:43:43,850 --> 01:43:43,930
Yeah.

1498
01:43:44,590 --> 01:43:45,810
So it, yeah.

1499
01:43:46,030 --> 01:43:48,830
Like the things that we just approved, 11 and 12, 12 and 13.

1500
01:43:49,050 --> 01:43:52,310
So where will we pay for your other two agenda items?

1501
01:43:52,310 --> 01:43:56,070
We'll be paying for it out of this to make sure that we're doing a good job with that

1502
01:43:56,070 --> 01:43:57,130
police building overall.

1503
01:43:57,530 --> 01:44:02,990
When you get to December, you won't be looking at me saying, well, where's the money for

1504
01:44:02,990 --> 01:44:03,650
the next step?

1505
01:44:03,930 --> 01:44:05,550
We will have arranged all of that.

1506
01:44:05,970 --> 01:44:08,870
The overall strategy is, and I'm estimating now.

1507
01:44:09,130 --> 01:44:10,490
You got to do estimating sometimes.

1508
01:44:11,250 --> 01:44:18,110
If reconstruction is 1.5 million overall, then half of it is 750.

1509
01:44:18,110 --> 01:44:25,450
through that through an INS tax note, take the other half of it and spend it cooperatively

1510
01:44:25,450 --> 01:44:29,290
through a partnership with MDD and with CCPD.

1511
01:44:29,630 --> 01:44:34,950
I was at your MDD meeting and at your CCD meeting talking about the next step of that.

1512
01:44:35,270 --> 01:44:37,290
They're still working on their parts of that.

1513
01:44:37,530 --> 01:44:41,230
And whenever you see your FY26 budget, we'll hope it all comes together.

1514
01:44:41,450 --> 01:44:43,210
This is just a part of the puzzle right now.

1515
01:44:43,530 --> 01:44:46,650
And there's another part of the equation that we had briefly touched on.

1516
01:44:46,650 --> 01:44:53,970
I think it was last week because we do see, hopefully, a huge influx on sales tax revenues.

1517
01:44:54,370 --> 01:44:58,470
And that sales tax revenue is going to be distributed not only to the general fund but

1518
01:44:58,470 --> 01:44:59,250
also MDD.

1519
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:05,100
D.C.P.D. and road maintenance. So, you know, the amount that they're going to be collecting

1520
01:45:05,100 --> 01:45:10,920
goes way up. And so the idea, we don't want to get into it here now, but the idea of financing

1521
01:45:10,920 --> 01:45:15,140
or capitalizing, say, the police department could actually come from a different source

1522
01:45:15,140 --> 01:45:21,760
than the town necessarily. So lots of conversation have been had. Probably the one thing, Mr.

1523
01:45:21,860 --> 01:45:26,280
Sims, I want you to point out, in the event that you don't need all the monies that

1524
01:45:26,280 --> 01:45:29,980
that there is excess of this barring, what is your plan for those?

1525
01:45:30,740 --> 01:45:36,360
So this allows you to, so the 750, you would continue to draw that down.

1526
01:45:36,900 --> 01:45:41,780
And part of the reason I didn't put one and a half million in is that your other sources

1527
01:45:41,780 --> 01:45:49,020
of funds, the 375 from ECPD, the 375 from MDD provides you that flexibility of not

1528
01:45:49,020 --> 01:45:52,720
having to have, you know, your ordinance language tying that down.

1529
01:45:52,720 --> 01:45:58,080
But in this particular case, if I say, hey, I'm going to go forward and build a police

1530
01:45:58,080 --> 01:46:02,880
building that's a little bit smaller, then I guarantee you're going to spend that much

1531
01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:03,600
money on architecture.

1532
01:46:04,060 --> 01:46:07,460
This isn't designed to be the full thing.

1533
01:46:07,620 --> 01:46:11,620
The 1.5 is the full, and savings would accrue to those other sources.

1534
01:46:20,240 --> 01:46:20,800
Can you turn it off?

1535
01:46:21,380 --> 01:46:26,660
If you follow the news, there's a lot of pressure on the Fed to reduce the interest

1536
01:46:26,660 --> 01:46:26,980
grade.

1537
01:46:28,020 --> 01:46:32,260
I think it's going to happen sooner than later, but that's only assumption on my part.

1538
01:46:32,800 --> 01:46:35,380
How will that affect the financing?

1539
01:46:35,720 --> 01:46:38,520
Would it reduce our burden in terms of financing?

1540
01:46:38,760 --> 01:46:42,980
But of course, it will also reduce the interest that we generate in our money.

1541
01:46:43,000 --> 01:46:45,520
I think you're on a good point here.

1542
01:46:45,720 --> 01:46:47,340
So let's take it step-by-step.

1543
01:46:47,980 --> 01:46:52,080
Let's say tonight it's Council's choice to move forward and say, yes, we want to

1544
01:46:52,080 --> 01:46:59,280
move forward. We want to make sure that our FY26 tax rate is the correct tax rate. The

1545
01:46:59,280 --> 01:47:05,180
750 borrow helps you do that. What will be the next big question? The next big question

1546
01:47:05,180 --> 01:47:11,220
is how much money is overall building going to cost? When you build the building in

1547
01:47:11,220 --> 01:47:16,960
the grounds for the property on 407, what's that dollar amount? I hate going around quoting

1548
01:47:16,960 --> 01:47:19,520
But it will be fairly large.

1549
01:47:19,880 --> 01:47:22,380
You will have bought a lot of it down with equity

1550
01:47:22,380 --> 01:47:23,920
because you're saving your money,

1551
01:47:24,100 --> 01:47:25,960
and then you're going to borrow a big chunk of money.

1552
01:47:26,420 --> 01:47:29,040
So that large dollar amount, right,

1553
01:47:29,160 --> 01:47:32,100
it's going to be somewhere between 5 and 10 million

1554
01:47:32,100 --> 01:47:34,860
that you're going to end up borrowing within that range.

1555
01:47:35,460 --> 01:47:37,620
If you decide to borrow that money today,

1556
01:47:38,020 --> 01:47:40,260
I would say, yeah, not a good decision, right,

1557
01:47:40,600 --> 01:47:43,680
because that $7 million is probably going to finance a paper

1558
01:47:43,680 --> 01:47:45,620
if you're financing FY26.

1559
01:47:46,100 --> 01:47:51,000
So you'll have an opportunity to consider that question of borrowing the construction costs.

1560
01:47:51,480 --> 01:47:56,620
You'll look at a window of time in the spring and you'll look at a window of time in fall of 2026.

1561
01:47:57,700 --> 01:47:59,280
Those would be your two windows of time.

1562
01:47:59,500 --> 01:48:05,060
We look at it and say, okay, is it appropriate and are we ready to go out for the construction cost borrowing of it?

1563
01:48:05,300 --> 01:48:07,660
So exactly the right question to be asked.

1564
01:48:08,320 --> 01:48:11,580
We're just several months away from being at that moment.

1565
01:48:11,580 --> 01:48:12,520
And

1566
01:48:15,620 --> 01:48:20,880
we can also consider, so our money is also gaining interest at 3, 4, 5 percent.

1567
01:48:21,180 --> 01:48:25,000
Yeah, I mean actually right now the 2 million is invested around 4.49.

1568
01:48:25,360 --> 01:48:29,260
So you're more of money than really the delta zero-ish.

1569
01:48:30,820 --> 01:48:33,900
In the spirit of Councilman Brady, I make a motion to approve 15.

1570
01:48:39,760 --> 01:48:41,240
Are you seconding that?

1571
01:48:41,420 --> 01:48:41,620
Yes.

1572
01:48:41,780 --> 01:48:42,080
Okay.

1573
01:48:42,080 --> 01:48:47,840
All right. So we have a motion to approve motion in a second. Is there any other discussion?

1574
01:48:49,360 --> 01:48:58,920
I guess I'm new to council. I just see professional fees flying out the door. Every conceivable one of these things, I can't really put my head around it.

1575
01:48:59,400 --> 01:49:10,260
And I was just thinking, you know, if I'm an average person watching in the town council looking at, you know, the money is that they're paying to our guy when there's a professional fees everywhere.

1576
01:49:10,900 --> 01:49:17,140
I mean, I totally understand the INS tax rate issue and how we need to do it for that.

1577
01:49:17,420 --> 01:49:23,360
But I'm hearing one and a half million dollars for eight or nine thousand square foot buildings

1578
01:49:23,360 --> 01:49:28,140
and professional fees and seventy thousand dollars for a piece of cement on four acres

1579
01:49:28,140 --> 01:49:28,620
of land.

1580
01:49:29,340 --> 01:49:34,200
I'm just struggling with it, but I'll certainly go with it for the INS tax rate issue.

1581
01:49:34,460 --> 01:49:35,840
I mean, I agree with you.

1582
01:49:36,100 --> 01:49:39,080
I spoke to someone that's going to build twenty three thousand square foot commercial

1583
01:49:39,080 --> 01:49:44,140
building. I understand it's not a police department for example and it was nine million dollars for

1584
01:49:44,140 --> 01:49:49,640
23,000 square feet as opposed to I think we're talking 8,000 or something like that.

1585
01:49:50,380 --> 01:49:57,720
So these are very valid questions and I encourage you to we're just starting out though to have

1586
01:49:57,720 --> 01:50:03,720
those conversations with with Mike. Keep him honest and you know make sure that you're

1587
01:50:03,720 --> 01:50:06,780
comfortable with it because you're right someone's going to corner you one of the

1588
01:50:06,780 --> 01:50:10,340
constituency you know we're spending a lot of money where is that you know case

1589
01:50:10,340 --> 01:50:15,320
in point chief we actually had a concept drawn I thought it was one time about a

1590
01:50:15,320 --> 01:50:19,620
police station I don't know how much he was kind enough to show to me there's a

1591
01:50:19,620 --> 01:50:25,920
concept for in the parking lot back here yeah so I don't know if it still has

1592
01:50:25,920 --> 01:50:31,920
if that's a starting point if it had all the you know all the things that he

1593
01:50:31,920 --> 01:50:35,960
was looking for we will definitely be passing that on to GFF the architect

1594
01:50:35,960 --> 01:50:37,920
that we approved earlier in the meeting

1595
01:50:38,460 --> 01:50:40,420
and we'll be doing our best to try to streamline

1596
01:50:40,420 --> 01:50:42,440
the professional services.

1597
01:50:42,640 --> 01:50:45,840
I hear the comment and it's one that's

1598
01:50:45,840 --> 01:50:47,460
always near and dear to my heart.

1599
01:50:47,820 --> 01:50:50,500
Am I spending money on a professional service

1600
01:50:50,500 --> 01:50:51,220
that I don't really need?

1601
01:50:51,840 --> 01:50:53,340
I think that we all just need the

1602
01:50:54,280 --> 01:50:56,480
religion on it to work on that.

1603
01:50:56,680 --> 01:50:57,020
Yes, sir.

1604
01:50:59,520 --> 01:51:01,580
Okay, there's no other comment.

1605
01:51:02,960 --> 01:51:03,900
All those in favor?

1606
01:51:04,320 --> 01:51:04,560
Aye.

1607
01:51:05,300 --> 01:51:05,980
Anyone opposed?

1608
01:51:06,960 --> 01:51:12,040
Okay, that brings us to the discussion items. Thank you, Mrs.

1609
01:51:13,780 --> 01:51:16,140
Could I request maybe a five to ten minute recess?

1610
01:51:17,640 --> 01:51:18,000
Five?

1611
01:51:18,880 --> 01:51:21,240
I second. Motion carries.

1612
01:51:21,440 --> 01:51:24,780
I will take a five minute break, 7.22.

1613
01:51:31,970 --> 01:51:36,150
We'll go ahead and resume the meeting at 7.36,

1614
01:51:36,690 --> 01:51:39,850
and we're going to go ahead and roll into the discussion items number 16.

1615
01:51:41,270 --> 01:51:47,810
Discuss schedule and process of upcoming fiscal year 2025-26 budget for the town of Argo, Mr. Sims.

1616
01:51:48,430 --> 01:51:48,650
I

1617
01:52:04,520 --> 01:52:09,920
want to see a about a 70 page line item report that's got a lot more refinements

1618
01:52:10,240 --> 01:52:13,420
and a lot more detail that you've been able to provide in the past.

1619
01:52:13,920 --> 01:52:16,340
I think that Council be well satisfied with that product.

1620
01:52:16,580 --> 01:52:21,080
All of the big picture concepts that we mentioned to you last time would be in the budget.

1621
01:52:21,080 --> 01:52:26,340
should remain there, keep the tax rate the same, be very conservative about spending,

1622
01:52:26,560 --> 01:52:31,180
make sure we build our capital balances, make sure that we're able to deliver some important

1623
01:52:31,180 --> 01:52:35,440
projects out in the field. I think there's a path there to do a very, very substantial

1624
01:52:35,440 --> 01:52:41,080
amount of asphalt work on our streets, very important patching on concrete locations on

1625
01:52:41,080 --> 01:52:45,420
our streets. We did put money in there for our ground nature trail, a number of

1626
01:52:45,420 --> 01:52:54,260
other things. We are a project delivery heavy budget and a operationally lean budget. So

1627
01:52:54,260 --> 01:53:00,640
that's what's in process. If you take a look at the PowerPoint slide here, we've got ongoing

1628
01:53:00,640 --> 01:53:04,900
council input opportunities. Everybody's going to get an email from me tomorrow saying,

1629
01:53:05,020 --> 01:53:09,140
hey, if you want to chat budget in any level of detail before the next meeting,

1630
01:53:09,140 --> 01:53:15,420
come on down, let me know. We can go to have lunch and talk about it. We can sit

1631
01:53:15,420 --> 01:53:19,760
and chat about it in the morning. Not a requirement, but I like input, so that'll

1632
01:53:19,760 --> 01:53:23,660
be an opportunity there. And then some of the rest of the dates here are state

1633
01:53:23,660 --> 01:53:27,680
requirements. You've got a date where you're going to publish your tax rate.

1634
01:53:27,980 --> 01:53:31,540
You've got a date when you publish the notice of your budget. That's August

1635
01:53:31,540 --> 01:53:35,980
the 8th. You've got a filing the proposed budget of the town secretary and

1636
01:53:35,980 --> 01:53:42,100
put it on the website. That's August 15th. And then August the 18th is your day where

1637
01:53:42,100 --> 01:53:46,860
you have a public hearing on the budget and the tax rate. And so that will be your details.

1638
01:53:47,300 --> 01:53:52,740
And then you do not get asked to adopt that budget until September the 15th. So there's

1639
01:53:52,740 --> 01:53:58,240
your process remaining. Again, thus far, I feel like the budget is shaping up to

1640
01:53:58,240 --> 01:54:06,160
be what we want it to be, but I don't want to over-promise. I think that it will be a

1641
01:54:06,160 --> 01:54:11,240
linear, I think that's important when you're trying to build the biggest building you've

1642
01:54:11,240 --> 01:54:14,100
ever built. That's what we're going to be committed to.

1643
01:54:14,600 --> 01:54:15,620
So keep in mind,

1644
01:54:17,990 --> 01:54:21,350
one of the things I can say about the learning process for me this

1645
01:54:21,350 --> 01:54:28,250
time around is the fact that it really is simple. It is so simple. And the reason

1646
01:54:28,250 --> 01:54:33,350
reason I say that, because you can break this down into components. You have revenues,

1647
01:54:33,790 --> 01:54:39,510
you have expenses, okay? Of course. But the revenues, it's not like a business in which

1648
01:54:39,510 --> 01:54:45,510
you have much impact and changing those revenues in the short run, right? Because some of this

1649
01:54:45,510 --> 01:54:49,950
is driven by the county, for example. Some of the things are just driven by the economy,

1650
01:54:50,210 --> 01:54:54,890
there's little sales tax. Yeah, we could affect that somehow by making some efforts,

1651
01:54:54,890 --> 01:55:01,470
but not much. So we're takers of revenues. And so you have the general fund revenues and then you

1652
01:55:01,470 --> 01:55:07,170
have departments, if you will, or funds, I'm sorry, not departments, but funds that are derivative

1653
01:55:07,170 --> 01:55:14,910
of that revenue. Like MDD, for example, gets a certain percentage of the sales tax. That's it.

1654
01:55:15,250 --> 01:55:20,430
So it should be correlated to what you see in the general fund. And then it comes down to

1655
01:55:20,430 --> 01:55:25,630
expenses and we've talked about that and since we're breaking which in the past we

1656
01:55:25,630 --> 01:55:31,670
had administration which included town secretary and accounting and such and

1657
01:55:31,670 --> 01:55:36,210
we're breaking that separately. So then it just kind of narrows down what

1658
01:55:36,210 --> 01:55:41,690
everybody has to focus on and I think with the amount of detail that that

1659
01:55:41,690 --> 01:55:46,390
Mike is willing to provide it's going to make it a lot easier to compare. The

1660
01:55:46,390 --> 01:55:49,250
key thing that we have to make sure of and that's not always been the case

1661
01:55:49,250 --> 01:55:55,090
not intentionally, is when you have a comparison that it truly is a comparison, that people

1662
01:55:55,090 --> 01:55:58,630
weren't moved around and all of a sudden something looks way off.

1663
01:55:59,470 --> 01:56:04,550
And so I think instead of having iteration after iteration after iteration, which wears

1664
01:56:04,550 --> 01:56:12,210
people down and sometimes leave them feeling less like they had input or whatever, I think

1665
01:56:12,210 --> 01:56:15,070
it's more of a final product that we're shooting for.

1666
01:56:15,070 --> 01:56:19,570
And so based on that schedule, I think we'll definitely make that.

1667
01:56:21,170 --> 01:56:22,830
But any thoughts?

1668
01:56:23,130 --> 01:56:25,710
I know some of you guys have gone through the budgeting process.

1669
01:56:25,990 --> 01:56:28,810
Last year it was a squeaker.

1670
01:56:29,350 --> 01:56:31,770
We have to get it done statutorily.

1671
01:56:31,850 --> 01:56:32,970
We have to get some things done.

1672
01:56:33,110 --> 01:56:38,370
So I think there's plenty of room, which I don't foresee to happen,

1673
01:56:39,350 --> 01:56:43,230
but plenty of opportunity for discussion and follow-up.

1674
01:56:43,230 --> 01:56:44,130
Okay.

1675
01:56:48,470 --> 01:56:53,790
All right. That brings us to item number 17, discussion review of monthly budget report for May of 25.

1676
01:56:54,590 --> 01:57:02,930
So, Mayor and Council, it's been a team effort to improve your monthly reports.

1677
01:57:03,270 --> 01:57:06,330
And so I appreciate all the different staff members have been working on it.

1678
01:57:06,870 --> 01:57:11,050
The first couple of pages starting in page 273 is a little bit of just the summary of it.

1679
01:57:11,050 --> 01:57:15,710
And it is, again, showing that half a million dollar

1680
01:57:15,710 --> 01:57:20,650
they'd get transferred to the cap improvement fund

1681
01:57:20,650 --> 01:57:23,410
for the building, so that's an important part of it.

1682
01:57:23,870 --> 01:57:27,450
I go over to the actual numbers, page 275.

1683
01:57:27,990 --> 01:57:29,150
You can see where we stand.

1684
01:57:30,010 --> 01:57:32,130
Most of the agglorm taxes have come in,

1685
01:57:32,170 --> 01:57:33,990
so you can see a rather small number there.

1686
01:57:34,490 --> 01:57:37,070
You can see we're running over budget on sales tax.

1687
01:57:37,350 --> 01:57:37,850
That's great.

1688
01:57:37,990 --> 01:57:39,830
We like running over budget on sales tax,

1689
01:57:39,830 --> 01:57:41,690
So, more of that is a good thing.

1690
01:57:42,350 --> 01:57:47,410
I would say that this time around, you can see some fairly large numbers in there for

1691
01:57:47,410 --> 01:57:48,830
construction permits.

1692
01:57:49,310 --> 01:57:55,650
We amended the budget, expected 403, we've got 513 in thus far, part of that's ARGAL-ISD.

1693
01:57:56,630 --> 01:58:00,070
If you look down through the rest of there, you can see we've cleaned up what we were

1694
01:58:00,070 --> 01:58:05,050
doing with the ARPA funds and some of the other transfers in the budget as well.

1695
01:58:05,530 --> 01:58:10,450
If you look at the expenditure survey, you can see only a few items were running a little

1696
01:58:10,450 --> 01:58:11,530
bit on the high side.

1697
01:58:11,730 --> 01:58:17,650
Some of those are the overall transfers that are formula-based, so they're finished for

1698
01:58:17,650 --> 01:58:19,590
the year, so that's an okay thing.

1699
01:58:20,090 --> 01:58:23,850
You can see that some of the other line items are a little bit on the low side.

1700
01:58:24,190 --> 01:58:26,990
I'll mention police, since it's such a large portion of our budget.

1701
01:58:27,110 --> 01:58:30,330
They are running a little bit below on their budget.

1702
01:58:30,470 --> 01:58:31,250
Why would that be?

1703
01:58:31,250 --> 01:58:36,070
right? For a lot of the year they had three vacancies. They've worked through the process

1704
01:58:36,070 --> 01:58:41,490
getting those vacancies hired and they anticipate going into FY26 fully staffed.

1705
01:58:42,290 --> 01:58:50,850
The next page is your MDD budget. That gets a lot of scrutiny from your MDD board. But

1706
01:58:50,850 --> 01:58:55,630
again, that budget is running just fine. They did pay out one of their economic development

1707
01:58:55,630 --> 01:58:58,190
incentives so you can see that in their budget.

1708
01:58:58,190 --> 01:59:01,190
What's in contracted services for MDD?

1709
01:59:01,470 --> 01:59:04,050
Contracted services is a combination of things.

1710
01:59:04,250 --> 01:59:06,090
One of those is going to be the contract

1711
01:59:06,090 --> 01:59:08,210
with the retail strategies group.

1712
01:59:08,370 --> 01:59:09,950
There's a lot of conversation about that

1713
01:59:09,950 --> 01:59:11,330
at the most recent meeting.

1714
01:59:11,930 --> 01:59:13,410
I think it was probably there.

1715
01:59:15,130 --> 01:59:19,290
The next page over here is our crime control

1716
01:59:19,630 --> 01:59:20,830
and prevention district.

1717
01:59:21,430 --> 01:59:26,350
Again, I think that the sales tax was under budgeted.

1718
01:59:26,350 --> 01:59:31,250
That really should have been more around $500,000, so you can see it shows they're running rather

1719
01:59:31,250 --> 01:59:33,270
high on that.

1720
01:59:34,250 --> 01:59:40,550
But they've made many of the purchases they anticipated making through the course of FY25.

1721
01:59:40,770 --> 01:59:45,270
We did get a big thank you, by the way, from the CCDB budget, because they see these reports

1722
01:59:45,270 --> 01:59:50,750
as well, and they were very enthusiastic that they finally get to see the amount

1723
01:59:50,750 --> 01:59:51,530
they have in the bank.

1724
01:59:51,670 --> 01:59:55,870
They like the fund balance, and I think that's a good addition that we've been

1725
01:59:55,870 --> 01:59:59,150
able to add to our reports. So before you go on... Yes sir.

1726
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:08,100
Just keep in mind that I'd mentioned earlier some potential retailers coming our way and

1727
02:00:08,100 --> 02:00:14,360
a big box retailer, for example, could generate an excess of $200,000 in sales tax for MDD so

1728
02:00:14,360 --> 02:00:20,760
they can see their revenues grow by 50% literally within a year. It's a good problem to have,

1729
02:00:22,140 --> 02:00:25,700
but it's a question also to how do they apply that additional money.

1730
02:00:28,000 --> 02:00:29,220
You still have to

1731
02:00:29,220 --> 02:00:34,220
focus on what your mission is and the same thing applies to CCPD too who has

1732
02:00:34,220 --> 02:00:40,840
been funding help me out step and vehicles certification some of the

1733
02:00:40,840 --> 02:00:46,920
equipment the ballistic yeah and so if there's not in a large amount of

1734
02:00:46,920 --> 02:00:52,480
increases and and staff there will be a surplus which again could be used for

1735
02:00:52,480 --> 02:00:56,540
other purposes like police building for example so it can close the gap that

1736
02:00:56,540 --> 02:00:58,940
that we can bring the municipal complex together.

1737
02:01:00,840 --> 02:01:06,440
If you move to street maintenance, you see the fund balance that they're carrying right there.

1738
02:01:06,840 --> 02:01:12,820
When I say that we've got resources available to do some very substantial street work in FY26,

1739
02:01:13,500 --> 02:01:18,280
this is what I'm talking about. This is the funding source that's available for that.

1740
02:01:18,440 --> 02:01:21,400
Again, I think that the original budget was estimated low.

1741
02:01:21,400 --> 02:01:25,660
So that really should be roughly half of the sales tax

1742
02:01:26,070 --> 02:01:27,460
associated with your general fund.

1743
02:01:28,320 --> 02:01:33,300
And so you can see they've already collected 95%

1744
02:01:33,300 --> 02:01:34,200
of their projection.

1745
02:01:34,580 --> 02:01:36,860
And they're running a lot on that.

1746
02:01:37,260 --> 02:01:41,940
And very little spending happening there, almost none,

1747
02:01:41,940 --> 02:01:42,480
actually.

1748
02:01:42,860 --> 02:01:46,400
And you'll see that we did the French Town project

1749
02:01:46,400 --> 02:01:47,240
out of that fund.

1750
02:01:47,640 --> 02:01:50,040
We'll have plenty of money available in FY26

1751
02:01:50,040 --> 02:01:51,980
and move forward on that.

1752
02:01:52,600 --> 02:01:54,980
Apple Improvement Fund gets split up next year,

1753
02:01:55,160 --> 02:01:57,200
but here's what it looks like right now.

1754
02:01:57,800 --> 02:02:02,060
We will be transferring out of that the police funds

1755
02:02:02,060 --> 02:02:04,200
and creating a new fund for just the police building

1756
02:02:04,200 --> 02:02:06,380
in our FY26 budget.

1757
02:02:06,780 --> 02:02:08,840
And you can see, again, very little spending

1758
02:02:08,840 --> 02:02:10,680
in this item this year.

1759
02:02:11,680 --> 02:02:14,280
The next page is Waste Border Operating.

1760
02:02:14,860 --> 02:02:18,520
That's got your harvest rebates in there

1761
02:02:18,520 --> 02:02:22,920
there as we've been tracking through that process. I'm going to also mention something

1762
02:02:22,920 --> 02:02:28,500
here that's, I think, I guess I'll call my glass half full. This is a positive here.

1763
02:02:29,080 --> 02:02:38,160
Look at your unrestricted balance there, $2.7, almost $2.8 million in the projected end

1764
02:02:38,160 --> 02:02:43,600
of this year. When you think about how large that program actually is, that program

1765
02:02:43,600 --> 02:02:48,380
is only spending around $2 million a year.

1766
02:02:48,960 --> 02:02:51,220
So you've got a very, very healthy fund balance

1767
02:02:51,540 --> 02:02:54,880
that particular area and they're doing just fine

1768
02:02:54,880 --> 02:02:56,200
through the course of this year.

1769
02:02:56,320 --> 02:02:57,460
Their revenues are on pace

1770
02:02:57,800 --> 02:03:00,080
and their expenditures are a little bit on the low side.

1771
02:03:01,420 --> 02:03:03,280
After that, we show your cash balances

1772
02:03:03,820 --> 02:03:06,160
and this is what Mayor was referring to

1773
02:03:06,780 --> 02:03:13,140
just barely over $24 million in either cash balances

1774
02:03:13,140 --> 02:03:16,060
at our local bank or in investment balances.

1775
02:03:16,480 --> 02:03:17,500
So that's a quick overview.

1776
02:03:17,940 --> 02:03:20,400
I'd be happy to answer any questions about the report.

1777
02:03:20,560 --> 02:03:22,500
Go back to the first page if you wouldn't mind,

1778
02:03:22,780 --> 02:03:24,120
which had the general fund.

1779
02:03:24,780 --> 02:03:25,860
I just want to point something out.

1780
02:03:26,300 --> 02:03:31,360
So this is applicable to May, which is the eighth month.

1781
02:03:31,940 --> 02:03:34,460
So we should be 66% complete

1782
02:03:34,460 --> 02:03:38,400
if there are some categories that are linear.

1783
02:03:39,320 --> 02:03:40,540
And so if you look at the bottom,

1784
02:03:40,540 --> 02:03:43,880
I mean has 100%, 76% and 100%.

1785
02:03:43,880 --> 02:03:47,360
Those are one time, so don't be surprised

1786
02:03:47,360 --> 02:03:48,480
that once that's done,

1787
02:03:49,000 --> 02:03:51,440
that there's nothing else gonna happen the rest of the year.

1788
02:03:51,560 --> 02:03:52,840
So those are very explainable.

1789
02:03:53,320 --> 02:03:56,560
If you go above that, you have the court,

1790
02:03:57,120 --> 02:03:59,140
which appears to be a little bit over.

1791
02:03:59,420 --> 02:04:03,880
I mean, if you assume 66 is your eighth month,

1792
02:04:04,300 --> 02:04:06,280
but then you also have to look at the revenues too,

1793
02:04:06,360 --> 02:04:08,000
because some of it is driven by revenues.

1794
02:04:08,220 --> 02:04:09,860
Same thing with development, for example.

1795
02:04:09,860 --> 02:04:14,120
If your development is up, you're going to collect more fees, but you're also going to

1796
02:04:14,120 --> 02:04:15,160
have more expenditures.

1797
02:04:15,900 --> 02:04:18,660
So these percentages are really relative to the budget.

1798
02:04:19,560 --> 02:04:26,020
So the thing to maybe look at, and I wouldn't necessarily jump up and down, is 68%, it's

1799
02:04:26,020 --> 02:04:27,100
only two points over.

1800
02:04:27,740 --> 02:04:32,640
There's probably a reason behind that, and communication and marketing slightly over.

1801
02:04:32,820 --> 02:04:38,620
But then again, the total budget is fairly small in the scheme of things.

1802
02:04:39,680 --> 02:04:42,580
But some things are linear, and some things are not.

1803
02:04:42,720 --> 02:04:47,000
And if you look at those, I think you can get a good idea of where you are.

1804
02:04:48,260 --> 02:04:55,320
And again, municipalities are heavy with labor, so that's why in the case of the police department,

1805
02:04:55,540 --> 02:05:00,200
if they're shy police officers, that's why they're trailing as far as their budget.

1806
02:05:01,380 --> 02:05:02,200
Anyway, thank you.

1807
02:05:06,240 --> 02:05:07,120
You're good. Thank you.

1808
02:05:08,740 --> 02:05:09,640
Thank you, Mr. Mike.

1809
02:05:09,640 --> 02:05:15,440
All right. That brings us to the last item, which is discussion on considering going out,

1810
02:05:16,060 --> 02:05:23,120
discussion on considering going out for bid for sanitary sewer line and proof plans to be designed

1811
02:05:23,120 --> 02:05:28,280
for freeze and nickels with an estimated cost of 544,987.

1812
02:05:28,760 --> 02:05:31,680
So the reason we put this on the agenda, you wouldn't normally say,

1813
02:05:31,720 --> 02:05:34,580
let's have a discussion item about something that's out to bid.

1814
02:05:34,580 --> 02:05:39,060
But as I looked at this project and tried to gather up the history of this project,

1815
02:05:39,220 --> 02:05:46,280
it seemed like the number that we are estimating this is going to cost, around $550,000, seems

1816
02:05:46,280 --> 02:05:50,320
really out of whack with what's been reported in the past to council.

1817
02:05:50,980 --> 02:05:53,800
I thought it was useful to say, okay, we're gathering bids right now.

1818
02:05:54,220 --> 02:05:58,200
Let's sit down, let's talk to the engineering firm a little bit and figure out where

1819
02:05:58,200 --> 02:06:01,320
do we feel like this project is in the big picture.

1820
02:06:01,320 --> 02:06:06,040
So, big picture before I ask Frieze and Nichols to come up and talk about it a little bit.

1821
02:06:06,360 --> 02:06:11,640
Big picture, what you're doing here is you're abiding by an annexation agreement.

1822
02:06:12,180 --> 02:06:16,520
You've got the sonic location and an annexation agreement that says,

1823
02:06:16,640 --> 02:06:18,880
hey, we're going to provide sewer service to this property.

1824
02:06:19,340 --> 02:06:22,700
You looked about, hey, should I run my sewer line south?

1825
02:06:23,380 --> 02:06:25,620
And is that going to be the most cost-effective thing?

1826
02:06:25,880 --> 02:06:27,300
Am I going to run my sewer line north?

1827
02:06:27,520 --> 02:06:29,160
Will that be the most cost-effective thing?

1828
02:06:29,160 --> 02:06:33,860
Taking your sewer line to the south would be over $900,000 at this time.

1829
02:06:34,400 --> 02:06:40,820
Taking your sewer line to the north, meaning crossing French town, is going to be that $550,000 number.

1830
02:06:41,540 --> 02:06:45,240
I don't think anybody's satisfied with where those numbers stand right now,

1831
02:06:45,540 --> 02:06:50,140
but we won't have an accurate number to report until we are back in front of you next month

1832
02:06:50,140 --> 02:06:53,080
and we're showing you the actual bid numbers.

1833
02:06:53,080 --> 02:06:56,680
We are out to bid now and maybe we get lucky.

1834
02:06:56,940 --> 02:06:59,860
Maybe we get somebody coming forward with a lower bid

1835
02:06:59,860 --> 02:07:01,800
than what's anticipated here on the page,

1836
02:07:02,580 --> 02:07:04,460
but that's wishful thinking, right?

1837
02:07:04,940 --> 02:07:08,180
We're gonna have to wait until the bids be what the bids are.

1838
02:07:08,700 --> 02:07:10,600
So with that just a little bit of introduction,

1839
02:07:10,840 --> 02:07:13,040
let me introduce Ashley from Freeze and Nichols

1840
02:07:13,040 --> 02:07:15,680
and Travis if you'd like to as well, but take it away.

1841
02:07:17,680 --> 02:07:19,380
Good evening, Mayor and Council Members.

1842
02:07:20,240 --> 02:07:23,140
So I remember when we were kind of going back and forth

1843
02:07:23,140 --> 02:07:30,800
on different alignments for the sanitary sewer to serve the fell station. Conceptually, we were

1844
02:07:30,800 --> 02:07:38,680
about $380,000 if I'm not mistaken. There were some assumptions in there that have changed since

1845
02:07:38,680 --> 02:07:45,320
I came up with that conceptual. Previous direction that I received from former town staff was we

1846
02:07:45,320 --> 02:07:50,480
could open-cut French Town Road, which was not included in that conceptual cost estimate that I

1847
02:07:50,480 --> 02:07:56,480
provided, and then as well when I provide that conceptual cost estimate, Argyle Water

1848
02:07:56,480 --> 02:08:01,340
Supply Company was not relocating their water line, so they had an existing 8-inch water

1849
02:08:01,340 --> 02:08:06,540
line kind of hugging the right-of-way line, and then they now installed a 12-inch water

1850
02:08:06,540 --> 02:08:11,380
line that's now kind of in the middle of the available right-of-way space, so that

1851
02:08:11,380 --> 02:08:16,980
is going to kind of tighten and congest the allowable construction area for the contractor.

1852
02:08:17,740 --> 02:08:21,780
We also, when we got the survey information, the sewer line is going to be a little bit

1853
02:08:21,780 --> 02:08:23,060
deeper than anticipated.

1854
02:08:23,700 --> 02:08:29,700
So once we bore under French Town Road and go from French Town Road all the way to Waters

1855
02:08:29,700 --> 02:08:34,140
Edge Drive, we're going to be going from 7 feet deep, and it's going to end at about

1856
02:08:34,140 --> 02:08:35,240
15 feet deep.

1857
02:08:36,840 --> 02:08:37,880
I have a question.

1858
02:08:38,220 --> 02:08:38,380
Yes.

1859
02:08:38,560 --> 02:08:45,180
Is it accurate when bidding municipality work that you can only have a certain

1860
02:08:45,180 --> 02:08:49,080
margin of profit from the contractor.

1861
02:08:49,600 --> 02:08:49,820
Yes.

1862
02:08:50,280 --> 02:08:57,060
So you're able, the bids are very open, transparent, because some of these numbers are kind of

1863
02:08:57,060 --> 02:08:57,380
shocking.

1864
02:08:57,600 --> 02:09:02,780
This bore, typically when you do a bore, if it's 16 inches you can say it's times three

1865
02:09:03,300 --> 02:09:04,480
and that's a fair price.

1866
02:09:05,060 --> 02:09:09,760
If you look 16 inches it's actually $800 a foot, if I'm reading that accurately.

1867
02:09:10,300 --> 02:09:11,480
That seems like a pretty high bore.

1868
02:09:11,480 --> 02:09:16,160
And just due to the, you know, tight areas when you look at where the bore pits are going

1869
02:09:16,160 --> 02:09:19,660
to be and just the, you know, small amount of linear footage.

1870
02:09:19,900 --> 02:09:25,840
So for the material, for the contractor to get only 55 linear feet of 16-inch steel casing

1871
02:09:25,840 --> 02:09:28,960
versus if they were doing like the 2000, yeah, exactly.

1872
02:09:29,240 --> 02:09:30,880
Because you've got to pay for the MOB to get them.

1873
02:09:30,880 --> 02:09:31,140
Correct.

1874
02:09:31,440 --> 02:09:35,080
But again, these numbers are really high, so I didn't know how transparent some

1875
02:09:35,080 --> 02:09:35,740
of these bids were.

1876
02:09:36,020 --> 02:09:39,680
Like, if you're able to really break them down, they're really showing you the

1877
02:09:39,680 --> 02:09:40,360
the price they're getting,

1878
02:09:40,460 --> 02:09:41,920
because the contract is using a sub, too.

1879
02:09:42,340 --> 02:09:42,700
Correct.

1880
02:09:43,600 --> 02:09:46,020
Assuming that they are using a subcontractor

1881
02:09:46,020 --> 02:09:47,220
and not self-performing.

1882
02:09:47,840 --> 02:09:51,620
And then another thing with Argel Water Supply Waterline

1883
02:09:51,620 --> 02:09:53,460
kind of being in the middle of the right of way.

1884
02:09:54,260 --> 02:09:56,740
And we're still staying within the right of way.

1885
02:09:57,460 --> 02:09:58,880
In order to meet TCEQ,

1886
02:09:58,960 --> 02:10:01,460
I have to now install this line with pressure rated pipe

1887
02:10:01,460 --> 02:10:03,940
to meet TCEQ requirements.

1888
02:10:04,820 --> 02:10:06,020
San Terry sewer and water lines

1889
02:10:06,020 --> 02:10:07,440
are supposed to be nine feet apart.

1890
02:10:08,000 --> 02:10:12,780
and that we just can't achieve that with where Argyle Water Supply put their 12-inch water line.

1891
02:10:14,000 --> 02:10:17,600
When did that water line go in, the Argyle Water Supply water line?

1892
02:10:17,620 --> 02:10:19,740
I believe they're wrapping up construction now.

1893
02:10:19,820 --> 02:10:24,040
I've been in communications with them to get their plans on where everything is located.

1894
02:10:24,300 --> 02:10:29,080
So my last conversation with them was they were going to wrap up construction here in the next couple of weeks.

1895
02:10:29,920 --> 02:10:33,530
So they just put it in. I know where you're going.

1896
02:10:33,730 --> 02:10:34,870
Okay. Thank you.

1897
02:10:35,870 --> 02:10:38,130
So, again, I'm sorry to turn it over to you.

1898
02:10:38,210 --> 02:10:38,530
Go ahead.

1899
02:10:39,590 --> 02:10:42,010
You don't know if it's a subcontractor or not.

1900
02:10:42,350 --> 02:10:43,950
Are you familiar with this bid?

1901
02:10:44,870 --> 02:10:46,710
With the bore, for example.

1902
02:10:48,650 --> 02:10:50,530
We haven't received the bid yet.

1903
02:10:50,930 --> 02:10:53,470
This is the engineer's opinion.

1904
02:10:53,710 --> 02:10:54,050
I got you.

1905
02:10:54,230 --> 02:10:56,550
And when you're at your August meeting,

1906
02:10:56,730 --> 02:10:58,390
you're going to see what the bids came out to be.

1907
02:10:58,470 --> 02:10:58,610
Okay.

1908
02:10:58,750 --> 02:10:58,910
Yeah.

1909
02:10:59,650 --> 02:11:00,750
This is just your heads up.

1910
02:11:02,050 --> 02:11:07,670
So, question, was freezing nickels our engineering firm in 23?

1911
02:11:08,590 --> 02:11:14,210
Okay, and I seriously doubt, Erica, that you pulled that number out of the sky that you presented to us.

1912
02:11:14,270 --> 02:11:16,290
You probably got a number from freezing nickels.

1913
02:11:18,680 --> 02:11:25,880
Sorry, yes, and that's what Ashley was just alluding to is the difference between that number then and then what you have now.

1914
02:11:26,220 --> 02:11:27,560
It's a lot higher though.

1915
02:11:28,100 --> 02:11:36,180
And, you know, when we, so the idea behind this whole concept goes back to 23 when I

1916
02:11:36,180 --> 02:11:41,960
think, is that one, Brian Livingston was still the mayor, I think was towards the end, 23.

1917
02:11:42,500 --> 02:11:47,400
And it was essentially, I thought it was sort of an economic decision in the sense that

1918
02:11:47,400 --> 02:11:54,400
we provide, you know, sewer services and then in return would have them annex and

1919
02:11:54,400 --> 02:12:00,260
I remember presenting to the council an analysis based on the cost that I was given, based on

1920
02:12:00,260 --> 02:12:02,980
and then also the revenues that they were collecting.

1921
02:12:03,580 --> 02:12:05,460
And it was about a three-year payback.

1922
02:12:05,840 --> 02:12:08,380
And even then it had grown from before.

1923
02:12:09,340 --> 02:12:10,380
So I'm just,

1924
02:12:12,620 --> 02:12:14,080
I mean, where's the end of this?

1925
02:12:14,140 --> 02:12:15,420
It's what I'm saying.

1926
02:12:15,660 --> 02:12:21,660
And this is not the only instance where I've seen cost overruns higher.

1927
02:12:21,660 --> 02:12:25,880
It's the same thing with 407 barbecue, much, much higher.

1928
02:12:26,760 --> 02:12:28,820
And I mean, personally, I'm tired of it.

1929
02:12:29,100 --> 02:12:31,560
I just can't continue to make a decision

1930
02:12:31,560 --> 02:12:32,700
that all of a sudden then grows.

1931
02:12:35,060 --> 02:12:35,820
I understand.

1932
02:12:37,060 --> 02:12:41,420
We have updated the plans based on input

1933
02:12:41,420 --> 02:12:44,540
from Public Works Director to ensure

1934
02:12:44,540 --> 02:12:46,540
the sewer line can serve Shell Station.

1935
02:12:47,120 --> 02:12:49,820
And this is the updated cost estimate,

1936
02:12:50,440 --> 02:12:55,380
Just based on now the available information with some of the changes that were made.

1937
02:12:56,460 --> 02:13:00,100
And there's no value engineering this to save money?

1938
02:13:00,900 --> 02:13:06,600
I can take a look at the plans and see if there's anything that could provide some value engineering.

1939
02:13:07,280 --> 02:13:13,020
But I would want to run that by the Public Works Director to ensure that it's still serving the purpose.

1940
02:13:15,040 --> 02:13:21,720
just real quick aren't we annexing the building further to the south also do we

1941
02:13:21,720 --> 02:13:26,640
have a soft agreement with them which the hell shape the new one yeah that's part

1942
02:13:26,640 --> 02:13:30,000
of it so this is going to service this health station and that's correct it'll

1943
02:13:30,000 --> 02:13:34,900
serve all of that development but when you did your three-year payout have

1944
02:13:34,900 --> 02:13:38,520
both you had both buildings yeah I have both okay yeah I think the good thing

1945
02:13:38,520 --> 02:13:44,480
is from what I understand some of the tenants are going to be to our better they're going

1946
02:13:44,480 --> 02:13:49,640
to have more retailers than I had initially planned but you know well it's just it sounds

1947
02:13:49,640 --> 02:13:53,920
to me this changes it from a three-year payout to a five-year payout this still makes good

1948
02:13:53,920 --> 02:13:54,540
economic sense.

1949
02:13:55,260 --> 02:14:00,340
There is one more sort of difference and that is originally it was a special purpose

1950
02:14:00,340 --> 02:14:06,600
annexation it has turned into a full annexation where you'll be receiving some property

1951
02:14:06,600 --> 02:14:09,760
property tax, ad valorem property tax, as well as sales tax.

1952
02:14:10,900 --> 02:14:15,900
Yeah, but that last analysis that I gave out did have that in there.

1953
02:14:16,120 --> 02:14:16,400
Okay.

1954
02:14:16,700 --> 02:14:16,880
Yeah.

1955
02:14:17,080 --> 02:14:19,860
But actually, this is an 800-foot light, the pipeline.

1956
02:14:20,340 --> 02:14:26,640
About 950 linear feet and 8-inch sanitary sewer, about 950 linear feet.

1957
02:14:27,020 --> 02:14:27,260
Okay.

1958
02:14:28,440 --> 02:14:29,200
And so the property...

1959
02:14:29,200 --> 02:14:29,680
How do you get that on this?

1960
02:14:31,160 --> 02:14:32,840
Yeah, I might stop, is this it?

1961
02:14:34,560 --> 02:14:35,380
It's spied.

1962
02:14:35,380 --> 02:14:42,600
And so the property that's mainly to the south of that is not included in this right and they don't need to be included because they have

1963
02:14:42,600 --> 02:14:47,640
Access to sewer already. I'm just trying to see how we can maximize our expenditure here

1964
02:14:49,630 --> 02:14:54,130
If you're referring to the go started the two-story building, right?

1965
02:14:54,350 --> 02:14:59,710
If I go to the two-story building and then I go south from there, they'll have opportunity

1966
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:08,700
To get into the same TRA line, and if I can say it accurately, it's not quite at the Starbucks.

1967
02:15:09,020 --> 02:15:16,900
It's at the business just to the north of the Starbucks. There's another sewer line opportunity for them to pour into a manhole that's just north of there.

1968
02:15:17,160 --> 02:15:24,960
So not too far from the, you know, if you imagine south going down the hill, right, that line of businesses can get in.

1969
02:15:24,960 --> 02:15:29,020
and I'm not remembered in the name of the street off the top of my head but

1970
02:15:29,020 --> 02:15:32,000
there's the street that goes into the residential neighborhood just in the

1971
02:15:32,000 --> 02:15:37,840
north of Starbucks. Tucker Street. There you go. Say again. Tucker Street. Yeah

1972
02:15:37,840 --> 02:15:41,860
there's a manhole at Tucker Street that they'll be able to get into and you

1973
02:15:41,860 --> 02:15:46,800
know I I don't view that as punitive for them to do that in the future so.

1974
02:15:48,340 --> 02:15:52,980
Can I just check is the car wash actually part of there? Yeah. Oh it is.

1975
02:15:52,980 --> 02:15:54,340
Okay, so that's just a typo.

1976
02:16:03,170 --> 02:16:04,450
I mean, we got to go out to bed, right?

1977
02:16:05,070 --> 02:16:06,250
Yeah, it's out right now.

1978
02:16:06,430 --> 02:16:07,170
It's out to bed now.

1979
02:16:07,330 --> 02:16:10,070
And so when you see it in August, you'll have real numbers

1980
02:16:10,070 --> 02:16:11,730
and you can make your decision at that time.

1981
02:16:11,890 --> 02:16:12,810
Good, Jack, give her a card.

1982
02:16:15,530 --> 02:16:17,190
What was the opposite of annex?

1983
02:16:21,330 --> 02:16:22,970
I don't have that number off the top of my head.

1984
02:16:23,110 --> 02:16:25,050
Do we know how many contractors we send it out to?

1985
02:16:25,130 --> 02:16:25,930
There's a state board.

1986
02:16:26,650 --> 02:16:29,010
So we have it advertised through Sivcast.

1987
02:16:29,230 --> 02:16:31,250
And so I will be reaching out to contractors

1988
02:16:31,250 --> 02:16:34,330
to let them be aware that the project is advertising

1989
02:16:34,330 --> 02:16:37,850
to get some competitiveness and hopefully get

1990
02:16:38,370 --> 02:16:41,010
a wide variety of bids to review.

1991
02:16:42,210 --> 02:16:43,770
You don't think it would be beneficial

1992
02:16:43,770 --> 02:16:45,830
because unfortunately, you know,

1993
02:16:46,050 --> 02:16:47,890
the faces up here change from time to time

1994
02:16:47,890 --> 02:16:49,470
is to have that as a base number

1995
02:16:49,990 --> 02:16:51,690
so people can see what we came from.

1996
02:16:51,830 --> 02:16:53,310
I just happen to remember what it is.

1997
02:16:53,410 --> 02:16:55,390
I think Dr. Herman might remember what it was.

1998
02:16:55,990 --> 02:16:58,070
I don't think Casey was even on council at the time

1999
02:16:58,070 --> 02:16:58,990
that we're looking at this

2000
02:16:58,990 --> 02:17:01,650
because it was Mr. Livingston that was the mayor.

2001
02:17:01,810 --> 02:17:02,170
She was here.

2002
02:17:02,690 --> 02:17:03,890
Oh, Christy was here, yeah?

2003
02:17:04,490 --> 02:17:05,030
She remembers.

2004
02:17:05,870 --> 02:17:08,510
But there has to be an end to this.

2005
02:17:09,570 --> 02:17:11,150
Government doesn't have endless money.

2006
02:17:11,370 --> 02:17:13,210
We're spending the citizen's money.

2007
02:17:13,810 --> 02:17:18,710
And I'm really disappointed that each and every time

2008
02:17:18,710 --> 02:17:22,010
the estimates are higher than what we based our initial

2009
02:17:22,010 --> 02:17:22,790
decision on.

2010
02:17:23,090 --> 02:17:24,110
So I'm good.

2011
02:17:24,410 --> 02:17:27,190
Well, how many times have you guys

2012
02:17:27,190 --> 02:17:32,030
I had to rework this based on whatever the changes was from the first time that you've

2013
02:17:32,030 --> 02:17:34,850
done it to this iteration that we're seeing here before us.

2014
02:17:34,870 --> 02:17:36,490
Is it two, three, four times?

2015
02:17:36,750 --> 02:17:38,830
I feel like this is at least the fourth number that I've seen.

2016
02:17:39,130 --> 02:17:44,490
We have done several different cost estimates and granted it is all conceptual before we

2017
02:17:44,490 --> 02:17:49,490
get topographic survey, get detailed information and start getting into the design.

2018
02:17:50,090 --> 02:17:53,070
Like I said, there was a lot of things that weren't considered in that conceptual

2019
02:17:53,070 --> 02:17:57,790
just based on direction from previous town staff on,

2020
02:17:58,050 --> 02:17:59,830
hey, we could open cut French Town Road.

2021
02:18:00,010 --> 02:18:01,750
And obviously that's a big cost adder

2022
02:18:01,750 --> 02:18:03,370
because we're going to have to go under

2023
02:18:03,370 --> 02:18:05,330
with a 16-inch steel casing pipe

2024
02:18:05,330 --> 02:18:07,470
just for an 8-inch sanitary sewer line.

2025
02:18:07,950 --> 02:18:12,430
But I didn't, who told, never,

2026
02:18:12,570 --> 02:18:13,650
it's a never-ending question, I'm sorry.

2027
02:18:13,670 --> 02:18:16,070
I mean, Robert was the, was the,

2028
02:18:16,730 --> 02:18:20,210
it was Robert when he was public works director.

2029
02:18:22,850 --> 02:18:29,610
So not only does the cost of the project go up every single time, I mean we're paying

2030
02:18:29,610 --> 02:18:30,570
you guys to read.

2031
02:18:30,570 --> 02:18:38,110
We have been on hold for design until we've gotten direction from town staff.

2032
02:18:38,350 --> 02:18:47,010
So we haven't done like five iterations of plans, so we have been aware of town's money

2033
02:18:47,010 --> 02:18:53,730
making sure we're using it fruitfully. And so this is going north, right? Yes.

2034
02:18:54,230 --> 02:18:59,070
Okay. And so Shell and everybody knows that all we're doing is bringing sewer to

2035
02:18:59,070 --> 02:19:03,750
them. They have to connect to it, right? So they're gonna have to saw cut their

2036
02:19:03,750 --> 02:19:11,870
driveways or whatever. This goes to the manhole that's roughly at the drive

2037
02:19:11,870 --> 02:19:18,550
through. Okay, yeah. This line actually goes almost to right where their current

2038
02:19:18,550 --> 02:19:24,030
grinder pump is. Okay. Where their two lines come together from from the

2039
02:19:24,030 --> 02:19:29,330
Osbury building and shell station. That's going to be the beginning of our our

2040
02:19:29,330 --> 02:19:34,590
line will be a manhole there that they dump it. I believe there's four or five

2041
02:19:34,590 --> 02:19:37,230
total manholes throughout the system.

2042
02:19:42,600 --> 02:19:43,520
Any other comments?

2043
02:19:47,380 --> 02:19:48,460
All I can say is

2044
02:19:48,460 --> 02:19:52,460
better hurry before the price goes up even more so anyway well thank you for

2045
02:19:52,460 --> 02:20:00,580
your presentation we do not have on the agenda call for a future agenda items so

2046
02:20:00,580 --> 02:20:07,420
I would just recommend to send those to Erica and Mike and we'll get that on the

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next agenda so if there's nothing else we will adjourn at 804 did you what