1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,880 I've got 1001, so we'll go ahead and go on the record. Good morning, everyone. This is the time set for a procedural conference in the matter of A-T-L-A-T-L group L-L-C-E-L, 2 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:25,500 docket number S21409A260252. I'm administrative law judge Chris Nichols, and I've been assigned to preside over this matter. 3 00:00:25,500 --> 00:00:29,800 Let's get started by taking appearances beginning with the Securities Division. 4 00:00:30,700 --> 00:00:31,960 Good morning, Your Honor. 5 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:35,800 Resarta Mata for Arizona Corporation Commission Securities Division. 6 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:36,680 Good morning. 7 00:00:38,660 --> 00:00:41,020 Is Mr. Browning here today? 8 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:42,240 Yes, Your Honor. 9 00:00:43,500 --> 00:00:44,220 Good morning, Mr. Browning. 10 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:44,840 Good morning. 11 00:00:45,660 --> 00:00:49,280 And will you also be representing Riviera penthouses today? 12 00:00:49,420 --> 00:00:50,080 Yes, I will. 13 00:00:50,820 --> 00:00:52,760 And we'll get into that in just a moment. 14 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:56,120 there's some requirements that need to be met in order for you to represent 15 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,440 review our penthouses. Thank you. Thank you. 16 00:00:59,980 --> 00:01:01,820 And Mr. Gutierrez. 17 00:01:03,580 --> 00:01:04,160 All right. 18 00:01:04,860 --> 00:01:09,960 Will you be representing ATL, ATL group LLC and destination yachts ink today? 19 00:01:10,100 --> 00:01:10,340 Sure. 20 00:01:10,580 --> 00:01:10,740 Sure. 21 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:20,340 And is Ms. Gutierrez planning on attending today? 22 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,620 Your Honor, I didn't realize she had to be here. 23 00:01:22,620 --> 00:01:25,640 that that's my fault, I didn't know she had a beer. 24 00:01:25,820 --> 00:01:26,640 She's not officer of the company. 25 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:28,940 I thought this was just for the company itself. 26 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:29,480 Understood. 27 00:01:30,580 --> 00:01:33,020 We can schedule if you need to talk to her, though, you know. 28 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:34,200 Okay. 29 00:01:34,700 --> 00:01:40,900 Well, I guess we'll play by ear and see if that seems like it is an necessity. 30 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:44,020 All right. 31 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,160 So as I said, as a preliminary matter, we just need to make sure 32 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:50,960 whether the entity respondents can be represented 33 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:58,200 by by Mr. Browning, Mr. Gutierrez. So as to I guess I'll start with Mr. Gutierrez. I'll 34 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:05,280 start with ATLATL Group. What is your relationship to ATL, ATL Group LLC? 35 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,100 I am the manager of both entities. 36 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:15,600 Okay. Are you have you been authorized by ATLATL Group LLC to represent it in this proceeding? 37 00:02:15,700 --> 00:02:16,160 Yes, sir. 38 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:24,420 Have you, are you receiving any, any separate or additional compensation for representing 39 00:02:24,420 --> 00:02:27,160 ATLATEL group LLC today? 40 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:28,540 All right. 41 00:02:29,540 --> 00:02:36,640 And is legal representation of ATLATEL group LLC or primary duty to the company? 42 00:02:38,500 --> 00:02:44,620 And based on your answers, you are authorized to represent ATLATEL group LLC in this proceeding. 43 00:02:44,620 --> 00:02:48,620 And now we kind of have to run through the same thing with respect to destination yachts. 44 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,340 So what is your relationship to destination yachts ink? 45 00:02:53,420 --> 00:02:58,360 I'm the manager of destination yachts ink and my title is President. 46 00:02:59,020 --> 00:03:06,060 Okay. And are you receiving any separate or additional compensation for representing destination yachts ink in this proceeding? 47 00:03:06,940 --> 00:03:11,420 Has destination yachts ink authorized you to represent it in this proceeding? 48 00:03:11,420 --> 00:03:17,510 And is providing legal representation to destination yachts in your primary duty to the company. 49 00:03:18,580 --> 00:03:22,940 Okay. Based on your answers, you may represent destination yachts in this proceeding. 50 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:24,980 Thank you, Mr. Gutierrez. 51 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:28,280 And Mr. Browning. 52 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:34,540 Same questions as to review your penhouses. What is your relationship to review your penhouses LLC? 53 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:35,900 Member Manager. 54 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:41,060 Has review our penthouses authorized each who represented in this proceeding? 55 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:41,840 Yes, you are. 56 00:03:41,940 --> 00:03:47,060 Are you receiving any separate additional compensation for representing review our penthouses in this proceeding? 57 00:03:47,420 --> 00:03:48,360 No, you are. 58 00:03:48,740 --> 00:03:49,160 All right. 59 00:03:49,260 --> 00:03:55,100 And is providing legal representation advice to review our penthouses LLC or primary duty to the company? 60 00:03:55,180 --> 00:03:56,380 No, you are all right. 61 00:03:56,380 --> 00:03:56,860 All right. 62 00:03:56,860 --> 00:03:57,860 Thank you, Mr. Browning. 63 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,880 Based on your answers, you may represent review our penthouses LLC in this proceeding. 64 00:04:04,340 --> 00:04:04,620 All right. 65 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:15,500 Moving on, I do see that there was a demand for a jury trial, so I'll turn to you, Mr. Gutierrez. 66 00:04:16,220 --> 00:04:25,680 Would you, a tail, a tail group or destination yachts like an opportunity to file a written brief in support of your demand for a jury trial? 67 00:04:26,100 --> 00:04:26,660 Yes, sir. 68 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:33,600 And how long do you think that you might need in order to prepare and file that? 69 00:04:35,060 --> 00:04:36,280 ask a question? 70 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:36,680 Of course. 71 00:04:37,260 --> 00:04:43,600 Not being a attorney myself is it unreasonable to request six months of time to 72 00:04:44,180 --> 00:04:45,420 debt or is that? 73 00:04:45,460 --> 00:04:51,360 Six months seems like a bit more than I think is necessary. 74 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:59,960 I do understand that as someone who's not an attorney, you can take a bit long. 75 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,880 I'd like to do research and prepare a brief properly. 76 00:05:09,850 --> 00:05:12,610 Why don't we table that for now? Why don't we see 77 00:05:12,610 --> 00:05:18,750 what the security's division thinks about how much time they would suggest and then we can circle 78 00:05:18,750 --> 00:05:26,250 back and see if that seems like it would be enough time for you and the companies. Does that make sense? Okay. 79 00:05:26,250 --> 00:05:33,310 And just before I let you go, would you also like to schedule oral argument on that issue 80 00:05:33,310 --> 00:05:35,850 on the, you were in the company's demand for a jury trial? 81 00:05:37,940 --> 00:05:38,960 Yes, the question will be very much. 82 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:39,400 Sure. 83 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:45,180 So, in terms of, in terms of getting through this issue, you know, both parties ought to have 84 00:05:45,180 --> 00:05:48,220 an opportunity to present their argument on it. 85 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:53,800 And there are, I guess, two different things that we can do, and we can do both. 86 00:05:53,800 --> 00:06:00,140 you can file a written brief, and we can, alternatively, or in addition to that, we can schedule 87 00:06:00,140 --> 00:06:08,260 oral argument, which would be just scheduling a proceeding, just like this one, where we 88 00:06:08,260 --> 00:06:13,900 show up, either in person or telephonically, and I give both of the parties, all of the parties 89 00:06:13,900 --> 00:06:20,080 and opportunity to kind of argue their points. So, if you're happy just filing something, 90 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:29,780 And you don't feel the need to present your arguments orally, then we can skip that, but if you were the companies would like that opportunity, then I'll all know that. 91 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:31,680 Sure, I think we'd like to do both. 92 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:36,320 All right. 93 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:37,820 Thank you, Mr. Gutierrez. 94 00:06:38,780 --> 00:06:41,060 And just so we're dotting eyes and crossing T's. 95 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,600 Is that the position of both yourself and the companies are representing today? 96 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:45,960 Yeah. 97 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:46,820 All right. 98 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:47,980 Thank you, Mr. Gutierrez. 99 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:51,140 Mr. Browning, same question. 100 00:06:52,820 --> 00:07:02,920 Would you and or review our pen houses like to file something in the record on the demand for jury trial in order to 101 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:04,320 avail me of of those arguments. 102 00:07:05,020 --> 00:07:05,240 Yes, sir. 103 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:06,080 Okay. 104 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:10,140 Do you have any suggestion in terms of how long you might need? 105 00:07:12,420 --> 00:07:14,860 No, but I'm open to recommendation from the court. 106 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:15,400 Okay. 107 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:16,060 Thank you. 108 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,600 Would you like oral argument as well? 109 00:07:18,740 --> 00:07:18,920 Yes, sir. 110 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:19,440 Okay. 111 00:07:20,980 --> 00:07:22,340 Thank you, Mr. Browning. 112 00:07:29,910 --> 00:07:30,750 All right, Mr. Petay. 113 00:07:33,550 --> 00:07:34,190 Thank you, Runner. 114 00:07:34,550 --> 00:07:40,230 I believe Mr. Gutierrez and Mr. Browning confuse the fact that they're preparing 115 00:07:40,230 --> 00:07:50,790 me to settle a hearing date today and not about hearing about the request for the jury trial, 116 00:07:51,330 --> 00:07:59,410 however. The division's position about their request is to wait for their motion, which would 117 00:07:59,410 --> 00:08:08,570 no more than 30 days from today, and we will reply to that motion in writing for sure. 118 00:08:09,170 --> 00:08:17,070 And if still in that motion, both of the respondents request an oral argument, we agree 119 00:08:17,070 --> 00:08:18,270 with that. 120 00:08:18,650 --> 00:08:19,570 Thank you, Ms. Mensei. 121 00:08:20,570 --> 00:08:31,060 Is there any reason that if I provide a response with 60 days that that would be 122 00:08:35,540 --> 00:08:46,060 We don't have any problem with that, just I have a hearing in October, so maybe we need to work around those dates not to overlap the oral argument with my hearing dates. 123 00:08:46,060 --> 00:08:47,080 I understand, 124 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,900 I take the securities division would also like oral argument if the issues 125 00:08:52,900 --> 00:08:53,940 briefed. 126 00:08:56,590 --> 00:09:02,850 They choose to brief and to write everything in writing, definitely our position is to go 127 00:09:02,850 --> 00:09:07,710 with in writing, so because it's a matter of, we now all know in Arizona that it is 128 00:09:07,710 --> 00:09:13,370 a EFG-America case that is pending at the Supreme Court, so we're waiting for that decision 129 00:09:13,370 --> 00:09:17,990 in order to have our ultimate opinion and position as a security division, 130 00:09:20,010 --> 00:09:20,830 and there is another 131 00:09:20,830 --> 00:09:30,270 pending before this commission in, I believe, in next spring for the EFG America case. 132 00:09:31,310 --> 00:09:38,090 So either way will work for us between those days when the Supreme Court will release its arguments 133 00:09:38,090 --> 00:09:46,450 an opinion or 60 days will work, but I believe that will be based on those conditions. 134 00:09:46,990 --> 00:09:52,170 So what the Supreme Court will decide if the arguments from the other party in writing 135 00:09:52,170 --> 00:09:59,630 will be suffice and will be enough to roll on that motion and as well. 136 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:05,680 What will happen after the EFG-America to the Supreme Court? 137 00:10:06,700 --> 00:10:12,780 But either way, I'm open for what the response will decide in right and or even for our 138 00:10:12,780 --> 00:10:18,340 oral argument, just as I said, not to overlap with my hearings that I have in December and 139 00:10:18,340 --> 00:10:19,080 in October. 140 00:10:20,180 --> 00:10:21,420 Thank you. 141 00:10:23,870 --> 00:10:31,450 To some understanding the division's position properly, is the division inclined 142 00:10:31,450 --> 00:10:40,160 to wait to brief the issue until the Arizona Supreme Court issues its opinion in any FG? 143 00:10:42,430 --> 00:10:48,730 Not necessarily. Either way, we will be able to respond to the motion that the other 144 00:10:48,730 --> 00:10:50,790 part of will ask for the jury trial, 145 00:10:53,590 --> 00:11:00,150 but my position was that our arguments will heavily be 146 00:11:00,150 --> 00:11:07,290 on what the Supreme Court will decide on that case, but either way we'll be able to respond 147 00:11:07,290 --> 00:11:14,770 to reply to the motion for a jury trial from the response, so will not affect our reply 148 00:11:14,770 --> 00:11:15,530 to the court. 149 00:11:16,190 --> 00:11:16,730 Thank you. 150 00:11:16,730 --> 00:11:22,430 And in terms of the division's response, is 30 days after the motion in support of the jury 151 00:11:22,430 --> 00:11:26,770 trial, 30 days after that is filed, is that a sufficient amount of time for the division 152 00:11:26,770 --> 00:11:27,630 to file a response? 153 00:11:27,630 --> 00:11:28,950 That's what we're about, you know. 154 00:11:29,250 --> 00:11:29,250 All 155 00:11:33,060 --> 00:11:34,100 right. 156 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,120 Mr. Gutierrez, I will circle back to you. 157 00:11:38,500 --> 00:11:42,320 Does 60 days sound like a reasonable amount of time 158 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:47,080 for you to avail yourself of the applicable law on this issue 159 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,060 and file a brief. 160 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:49,720 Yes, sir. 161 00:11:50,560 --> 00:11:51,380 All right. 162 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,020 So I think with all that said, 163 00:11:54,060 --> 00:12:00,500 I think I will give respondents 60 days 164 00:12:00,500 --> 00:12:05,840 to file motions in support of the demand for a jury trial. 165 00:12:06,680 --> 00:12:10,680 I'll have, I'll give the division in of a 30 days thereafter for a response. 166 00:12:11,260 --> 00:12:17,380 And then I'll give the response in additional 14 days after the division files 167 00:12:17,380 --> 00:12:22,600 that's response to file a reply brief in support of the motion for jury trial. 168 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:28,040 And I will spell all that out in a procedural order that I'll issue shortly after this proceeding. 169 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,220 I'll turn back to the Securities Division. 170 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:38,040 Ms. Mitz, I have the parties had an opportunity to discuss potential hearing dates. 171 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:41,760 Yes, Your Honor. So, before the hearing started, 172 00:12:42,660 --> 00:12:48,240 we discussed about the hearing dates to commence in September. 173 00:12:49,460 --> 00:12:54,820 And like the after the Labor Day, which in 2007 will be on September 6, 174 00:12:54,820 --> 00:13:01,900 So from September 7th we will be able to start the hearing for this matter. 175 00:13:03,740 --> 00:13:03,760 Right. 176 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,860 And approximately how many days will the division need to present its case? 177 00:13:09,020 --> 00:13:10,520 We have at least five witnesses. 178 00:13:11,420 --> 00:13:17,900 So likely four to five days will be enough for the division to represent its matter in chief. 179 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:19,100 It's getting chief. 180 00:13:19,560 --> 00:13:20,280 Thank you. 181 00:13:20,380 --> 00:13:26,180 And are there any dates starting on September 7th for the next few weeks there after that? 182 00:13:26,180 --> 00:13:32,520 that anyone at the security's vision would not be able to attend? 183 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:35,860 I discussed with my team. 184 00:13:36,540 --> 00:13:40,220 There is no conflicts in scheduling after September. 185 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:41,040 Great. 186 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:53,320 I'm just going to check the calendar quickly to see how it looks in September 2027. 187 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:01,380 It's looking pretty clear so we should be able to do those dates. 188 00:14:01,560 --> 00:14:10,160 Mr. Gutierrez, how does September 2027 starting after Labor Day on our rounds of 189 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:10,740 September 7th? 190 00:14:10,740 --> 00:14:13,120 How does that sound to you and the companies you represent today? 191 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:13,620 Yes, sure. 192 00:14:13,680 --> 00:14:14,720 That's fine. 193 00:14:19,750 --> 00:14:23,950 And how many witnesses do you and the companies plan to call? 194 00:14:25,230 --> 00:14:29,370 I don't have that answer right now on your honor, I wasn't prepared to answer that question. 195 00:14:30,050 --> 00:14:30,070 Sure. 196 00:14:30,550 --> 00:14:33,330 Do you have just some kind of idea off the top of your head? 197 00:14:33,630 --> 00:14:40,430 Nothing that I'm going to hold you to later, but just so we can kind of get a general sense of how long we might need. 198 00:14:40,490 --> 00:14:42,530 I would say four off the top of my head. 199 00:14:47,050 --> 00:14:47,310 All right. 200 00:14:48,670 --> 00:14:56,670 And as a non-aturnia, I know there may be difficult to answer, but do you have some idea of how long you might need to present your case in terms of 201 00:14:57,650 --> 00:14:59,970 We're listening the testimony from those witnessed. 202 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:15,660 All right, thank you, Mr. Gutierrez. Mr. Browning. September 27, the sound acceptable to you and review our 203 00:15:17,580 --> 00:15:20,080 and how many witnesses do you 204 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:23,800 anticipate? 205 00:15:26,380 --> 00:15:31,400 I would estimate four as well. 206 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:40,020 Any idea how long it might take to present your case and review your pen 207 00:15:40,020 --> 00:15:42,060 House's case in this matter? 208 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:43,880 I would also guess about five days. 209 00:15:49,190 --> 00:15:51,050 All right, thank you, Mr. Browning. 210 00:15:54,980 --> 00:16:03,700 And Ms. Matai, how far in advance of the hearing should there be one, 211 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:07,540 do we need to set 212 00:16:07,540 --> 00:16:09,880 the deadline for lists of witnesses and exhibits? 213 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:13,920 Please, third of days, Yana. 214 00:16:19,370 --> 00:16:27,090 Mr. Gutierrez, thank you. Mr. Gutierrez, if you're not familiar with the process, prior to the hearing, 215 00:16:27,090 --> 00:16:32,950 there is a deadline set for the parties to exchange lists of the witnesses that they plan to call 216 00:16:32,950 --> 00:16:39,470 at hearing and also exchange the exhibits that they plan to introduce. Do you where the companies 217 00:16:39,470 --> 00:16:45,330 have a position on how far in advance of the hearing you would like to exchange those those lists 218 00:16:45,330 --> 00:16:48,250 of witnesses and exhibits? 30 days of sufficient. 219 00:16:52,140 --> 00:16:54,500 Thank you, Mr. Coutillers. And Mr. Browning, 220 00:16:59,180 --> 00:17:09,320 So the question is, how far in advance of the September 2027 hearing we would like to receive each other's list of who were calling to the stand? 221 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:17,780 Correct, not only the list of who you plan on calling to testify but also to exchange the exhibits that anyone plans to use. 222 00:17:22,360 --> 00:17:23,820 I'm not in turn yet either. 223 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:28,120 Is it reasonable to have that earlier than 30 days before? 224 00:17:31,260 --> 00:17:35,280 I don't know that it's unreasonable to have it any earlier. 225 00:17:35,740 --> 00:17:37,820 I think it just kind of depends on when. 226 00:17:38,380 --> 00:17:41,120 Did you have an alternative suggestion in terms of how far in advance? 227 00:17:41,740 --> 00:17:45,940 You'd like to disclose your list and receive a list of the other parties? 228 00:17:48,510 --> 00:17:49,070 Yeah, potentially. 229 00:17:49,530 --> 00:17:49,690 I don't know. 230 00:17:49,890 --> 00:17:50,730 Six months of advance. 231 00:17:52,070 --> 00:17:52,230 Okay. 232 00:17:53,490 --> 00:17:53,710 All right. 233 00:17:53,870 --> 00:17:56,630 Let's turn to the Securities Division and see what Ms. 234 00:17:57,290 --> 00:17:58,610 Mattay has to say. 235 00:17:58,610 --> 00:17:59,670 Thank you, Mr Browning. 236 00:17:59,770 --> 00:18:01,230 Thank you. 237 00:18:01,250 --> 00:18:07,650 Mr Browning, usually there are 30 days, 45 days, up to 9, 90 days in advance that we can 238 00:18:07,650 --> 00:18:09,930 exchange our exhibits and list of witnesses. 239 00:18:11,610 --> 00:18:17,590 So I don't know if this time frame 30 days up to 90 days may work for our rules. 240 00:18:18,370 --> 00:18:22,890 So it means that the security division would be agreeable to up to 90 days prior to the hearing? 241 00:18:23,610 --> 00:18:25,710 Yeah, we had cases that even, 242 00:18:25,710 --> 00:18:31,390 especially when we have prostate response, maybe 90 days will be feasible for both of their 243 00:18:31,390 --> 00:18:37,310 response to know what are our exhibits and list of witnesses and ourselves to know what 244 00:18:37,310 --> 00:18:39,710 are there, exhibits, and the list of witnesses. 245 00:18:41,270 --> 00:18:42,230 Thank you. 246 00:18:43,110 --> 00:18:45,830 I guess I'll turn back to Mr. Browning quickly. 247 00:18:46,930 --> 00:18:49,290 How does 90 days sound three months, so it's 90 days. 248 00:18:49,290 --> 00:18:49,670 That's good. 249 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:55,780 Thank you, Mr. Browning. 250 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,800 And Mr. Gutierrez, how about 90 days instead of 30? 251 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:00,720 Does that sound acceptable? 252 00:19:03,580 --> 00:19:04,300 Thank you. 253 00:19:08,350 --> 00:19:08,510 All right. 254 00:19:08,550 --> 00:19:11,870 So I will make that a part of the scheduling order as well. 255 00:19:12,090 --> 00:19:18,670 So we will plan on if there is a hearing, depending on how the demand for 256 00:19:18,670 --> 00:19:21,130 jury trial issue goes. 257 00:19:21,390 --> 00:19:27,450 If there is an administrative hearing in this matter, then we will plan on September 258 00:19:27,450 --> 00:19:34,970 or 2027 starting on around September 7th in any event after a Labor Day, and we'll require 259 00:19:34,970 --> 00:19:41,990 that those list of witnesses in exhibits be exchanged at least 90 days before the hearing 260 00:19:41,990 --> 00:19:42,990 begins. 261 00:19:43,610 --> 00:19:48,910 Let's see if there's any other housekeeping that we need to go over. 262 00:19:49,250 --> 00:19:53,750 Ms. Matay, any other procedural issues that we need to address today before we adjourn? 263 00:19:53,750 --> 00:19:58,570 No, but I believe in the order we'll explain how many days the hearing will last. 264 00:19:59,150 --> 00:19:59,810 I believe. 265 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:28,380 Yes, so I will set forth in the procedural order, the specific dates for the hearing. So given the lack of conflicts in September, and that at this point the parties are looking at, you know, potentially four to five days of peace, I think I'll probably do three full weeks. And then, you know, if we don't need those additional days, then we can vacate those as necessary. 266 00:20:28,860 --> 00:20:30,580 Thank you, sounds good. 267 00:20:31,700 --> 00:20:36,280 Mr. Gutierrez, any additional procedural issues that we need to discuss today before we adjourn? 268 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:36,860 And there you are. 269 00:20:37,700 --> 00:20:40,980 Actually, and this is anything you need from Martha Gutierrez. 270 00:20:43,340 --> 00:20:44,380 No, I don't. 271 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:45,700 Thank you. 272 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:49,140 I don't think that I need anything from her. 273 00:20:49,260 --> 00:20:53,500 I believe my recollection is that she and Ms. Bintai, you can help me out here. 274 00:20:53,780 --> 00:20:57,380 She is named as a respondent as opposed to just as a respondent spouse. 275 00:20:57,380 --> 00:20:58,560 Is that correct? 276 00:20:58,580 --> 00:20:59,080 Yes, correct. 277 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:08,400 And Mr. Gutierrez, although the rules do permit someone with your relationship to the entities 278 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:14,700 to represent those entities in this case, you cannot represent her in this matter, so if 279 00:21:14,700 --> 00:21:20,880 she would like to be heard, then she doesn't need to appear at all future proceedings, but 280 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,020 she is not required to. 281 00:21:26,940 --> 00:21:27,460 Mr. Browning. 282 00:21:27,460 --> 00:21:31,240 Any other procedural issues that you'd like to discuss today before we adjourn? 283 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:31,740 No, thank you. 284 00:21:31,900 --> 00:21:32,700 Thank you. 285 00:21:32,700 --> 00:21:34,160 Mr. Browning. 286 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:35,200 All right. 287 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:36,100 Great. 288 00:21:36,100 --> 00:21:38,920 Well, I think I've got everything I need to issue a procedural order. 289 00:21:39,780 --> 00:21:45,600 I will set that deadline 60 days out for motions in support of the demand for jury 290 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:46,060 trial. 291 00:21:46,500 --> 00:21:49,300 30 days for response in another 14 days for reply. 292 00:21:50,140 --> 00:21:56,400 And then we'll schedule the hearing in September 20, 20, 27, based on what the parties agreed 293 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:57,360 to here today. 294 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,500 And with that I think we can go ahead and adjourn. 295 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:02,220 Let's go off the record. 296 00:22:02,940 --> 00:22:03,720 Thank you. 297 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:04,260 Thank you, everyone. 298 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:04,660 Thank you.