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around Orlando. Would be people bring construction grade material in

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there to put in their landfill. So we could have

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a designated area for a transfer station and have not,

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fortunately, paid for. Technically. Yeah, technically. Councilor Nickerson.

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We'll see if I have some questions. I think our

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works manager, Scott McClaud. Has. One floor is yours. Thank

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you. To you, Mayor Sheen. Yeah, mine's not really just.

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A question you talked about. A fire and then rebuilding

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the normal charges. If a person tears their house down,

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build a newer house as a dental wallet charity? No.

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Typically that falls under the same exemption. That that existing

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residence was there using the services and has paid taxes

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on those services. So you wouldn't collect a development charge

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for that redevelopment of that site. Other staff members, chief

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parents. So we are in a process of booking the

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firehole, but in building that firehole, there will be a

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bigger firehole based on future growth. So with going from

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a small file into a larger file. So could some

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of that money be used if you're extended in capacity?

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Yes. And if you make sure when you're talking budget

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wise, we plan to collect a port. Portion of this

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through development chart. Thank you, other staff members. See you

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then. Thank you, Mary. So similar to the fire chief

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comments so even. If Councillor hadn't determined if we're going

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to go forward with felt the charges. Could we, during

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this budget, pass that resolution just to be safe, so

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that. In the future, we go with development charges that

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then any of those future costs we could recover. If

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so, we may pay. For a portion of this project

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through future development charges. That would be the kind of

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language I would like to see in any sort of.

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Resolution. Thank you very much for that. And no follow

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up needed final opportunity to staff or council. Just to

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confirm now. So the water, sewer. We have connection charges

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on new builds. Those would be. On top of development

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areas. We wouldn't lose them. Yes, typically your connection fee.

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Is. Actually put that connection in. And if this is

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most water wastewater feeder for a bigger pipe down. The

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line or something at the plants. That's separate. I'd love

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to renew it. Thank you. Thank you very much. First,

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my name is. Final opportunity. Just. A very large thank

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you, Lisa, for your presentation, your work, and your answers

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for our questions today. Thank you for having me. And

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if there's any questions that you think of. Like me

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late at night. Feel free to send me an email.

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I was happy to answer them. Thank you very much.

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We do have. A related report from our co Ludans

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here and that is 4.2 srfln 24.1 development charges, background

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study on page 22 in the agenda package. Maybe we'll

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just have. Are you ready to. Ready to roll? Floors

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or thank you. So we did. Staff invited Lisa to

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come to provide a presentation on the development targets just

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to let Councillor what they are, how they can be

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used and how to implement. Staff is looking for approval

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to employ opportunities to raise more revenue to offset these

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increased infrastructure costs. And reduce the burden of taxpayers. So

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instead of having to make a full decision on the

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extra one to implement. Staff is just recommending the inclusion

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of the development charges. Background study in the 2025 budget.

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So that decision to influence the development charge can come

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after the background study in the public meeting. So that's

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what staff is just looking for. Today is just to

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get the background study. Within. Our 2025 budget. And then

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after hearing your presentation, I also like direction that staff

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look at. All our capital projects that we have in

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the 2020 class budget, and we'll include a resolution. Just.

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As safeguards, that it's down the road we do decide

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to implement them, that the current projects, especially our fire

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hall and our expansion of the wastewater and paisley. Those

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are the two projects. I think right offhand that we

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can hopefully see some benefit if we do the gold.

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At risk. Thank you very much. Just to summarize it

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online, there is resolution here. We resolve. The Councillor hereby

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approves. The inclusion of the developed charges background study in

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the 2025 budget. So we'll see if members of Councillor

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have questions in regards to the report. Or any related

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other angles with us or the council. That means it

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was a great report. So we will see if there's

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a move or secondary for that resolution. This morning. Moved?

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By deputy Narashawa and seconded by Councillor Nicholson. Here's all.

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The Councillor hereby approves inclusion of the development charges. Background

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study in the 2025 budget discussion. We'll see this vote.

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All those in favor? Those. Is carried. Thank you very

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much. Let's. Have two three minute stretch break before. We

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officially turn into that report finance. So we all have

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Been there, done.

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Can we just do a microphone check and see Patrick

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Johnson is on with us? Pat, can you. Hear us,

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okay? Yes, I can hear you. Great. And we will

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now head to five one finance, page 24, which is

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my one one s for. Fy N. Point 417, 2025.

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Budget first look, and David Monroe, our interim treasurer, is

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here with us. And David, take us through the great

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news. Thank you. To you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you very

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much. So just from a process point of view. Today

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is our first meeting on the budget. It's draft one.

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We're looking for your input. There's some preapprovals that will

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follow. Next week we'll do a public meeting. We'll ask

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the public for their input. They'll be a presentation available

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next week. If we have the same comment, similar content

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is what you're going to see today. And then on

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November 25, we'll come back with draft two. Today is

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mostly focused on capital, with a little bit of operating

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near the end. And I hope to get through some

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of the capital today, and then by the November 25,

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we'll come. Back and probably finalize most of the capital,

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and we'll bring you all the details. On operating on

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the 25th, and then by December 9, hopefully we can

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finalize it. For both for the budget. And if not,

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it'll split into January. So again, we're looking for your

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input. Interrupt anytime, ask questions. I'll just give you a

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brief. Overview of some of these things. I want to

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thank my colleagues who've helped very much. In the budget

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and they can answer all the hard questions. And they

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know all the answers. Today we're going to, again, focus

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on capital. We're going to talk about the Pacey fire

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hall. We're going to talk about how to fund it.

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And that probably be a big part of the money

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side. Then we're going to look at the list of

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all the different capital projects that we brought together, and

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it was a long list. So we went back and

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asked each department to prioritize the list to give you

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guys a chance to get a sense of what we're

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looking at. Some, maybe fall on some prior year where

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we have to add more money, like if we bought

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the chassis for a truck, and now we have to

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buy the rest of the truck this year. That's be

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one explanation why it's priority. Or maybe it's a priority.

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That you need fixing urgently. But you guys could. List

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decision makers to test which ones we want and which

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ones we can defer to in future period. Okay. So,

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with that said, I think I'll get into it a

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little bit. The first page has the background and the

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funds available, and we get funds from reserves, which we

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collect over the prior year our 2025 tax revenue, 2025

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user fees, and 2025 grand that's where we get our

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revenues from. And I've got an exact number there. $1.3

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million. Almost 1.3 available for the 2025 operating budget to

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fund capital projects. And that's. Similar to the prior year.

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We have about 1.2 million to do capital projects, and

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then we have another 837,000. Available from Ontario Community Infrastructure

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Fund. And every year we spend that, usually on the

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roads and sewers and water. Sorry. Excuse me. Roads and

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bridges and. Anything to do with infrastructure. Hence the name.

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I've got appendix of all details in terms of dollars.

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Is pretty detailed, but I'm going to go through each

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by department. That's okay. So we'll start with the need.

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If you want it, we'll get warmed up. With general.

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Okay, so. There's three projects and we can talk a

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bit. Further if you need to, but the first project

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is for $9,000 for a one. Time upgrade of screens

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and sound system in the Councillor chambers. It's going to

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be funded from the office equipment reserve where we had

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enough money to pay for it. The next one is

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similar. It's going to be ongoing. Regular replacement of the

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laptop. So after laptops get three or four years old.

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They tired? They can. Software can't support them. The battery

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isn't as good as. It used to be, et cetera.

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So every three or four years, we're on schedule. To

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replace some of them, and it's been pretty regular. We

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did four or five this. Year. And then the last

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one for 7500 is engineering standards. One time project that

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needs to be funded. When I say needs to be

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funded, we need to fund it from probably the taxpayer

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for the taxpayer. At 1.2 million that I mentioned earlier.

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Okay. General, any questions on those three? Capital project Councillor

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Benner. Are we doing, Councillor? State the screen, the sound

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system. I thought this is why. Christine. So we are

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going to upgrade our account system here because, as you

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know, we have some issues. With the public listing. So

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what we want to do is. Write your screen. In

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our. Owl that move downstairs to a proper committee room

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that will have set up so that if we have

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a Councillor meeting here. Somebody have meeting upstairs. They still

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have owls. They can sell a team's. Meeting, and then

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we'll have a better chance to come up here so

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the policy. Is not going to be an Allison. No,

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it's still be an hour. Okay. Thanks for.

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Talking. Thank you. It's going to be reused and repurposed

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downstairs. I'll have to move. Here. Thank you. Thank you

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very much. I just need a little bit more information

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on engineering standards. I'm just not quite clear my mind

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exactly what it is. Yeah. So me and Polly have

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an engineering standard for their roadways. And. Water, sewer lines,

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storm sewer lines. It's a complete standard. So if you're

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doing a subdivision. Or if you're doing redoing a new

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role, you follow those standards. Not only for tendering, but

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also for. Like I said, for. Subdivision. Okay, I guess

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I should rephrase that. I'm familiar with that. We're required

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to put $3,500 for upgrades updates to have more work

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done. We don't have one. We don't have one. Okay,

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next. Okay, so that's general. That's okay. Well, the next

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one is the big one, so. We have a project

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called Paisley Fire hall and Public works construction of their

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buildings. And on page. Well, what's label is 26 is

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the estimated total cost. So we opened up. The different

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RFP responses for the building to remember. And Dom construction

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is the one that won. It was 2,740,000. 2,740,000. On

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top of that is, we have nondrecoverable HST. We can

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recharge us the full HST, we get to reclaim both

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of it back. But on a project, this thing, it

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really does. That absolute bar, as I pointed out, and

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then. We have. This additional one called site preparation, and

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it's estimated to be 1,308,000. But we are going through

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a process through our fee together. A better number there

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once we get some bids back. And then. Just to

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go through last few steps. 10,000 for landscaping. Standby generator

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compressor. This is. Everything we need to have, including contingency.

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Do you have a complete firearm at $5.1 million? So

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we'll look for. Questions. Cut small daily compressors. With. What

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would that be for? The compressor. So that's the compressor,

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the oil fill and cascade. System. So right now, in

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here, in Elsie, on all three stations, We don't have

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a compressor, so some of the bottles go to Bruce

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power, some of the models go to Elmwood. Some of

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the bottles go to Sagi and shores. Where it needs

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a bit of a problem. Further be. Problem in my

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eyes is that if it's going to bruise, power to

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be filled. We have to wait till one of the

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firefighters is on shifter. First of all, they carry. A

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bunch of high pressure bottles and they still have 2000

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psi in them in their personal vehicles. The second part

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is we don't have as many full bottles as we

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need, so two. Parts of that. The guys don't train

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as much as they should with StBAs, because they don't.

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Want to use the air because they know that I

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could have been a pill graduate and. They don't want

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to leave themselves vulnerable in case they have a fire

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or an issue. So in looking at that and building

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a new call, what we want to do is compress.

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The system and that meets the needs of all three

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stations so that we can fill them on. Site. There's

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a couple of things. The big one is obviously traveling

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in personal vehicles and carrying high pressure filters. That's not

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the best. And then waiting to have them filled with

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maybe three, four or five days to get them filled.

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So that's the other part. So what? We're building the

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station. We want to. Go ahead with compressor station, and

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then that way we're looking after our own tanks when

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we need them. And in the event of a larger

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scale incident, we can designate someone to go. Fill levels

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and then bring them back as well. We used to

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use cruise power. Their airlord system. They shifted down on

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their manpower now, so they're finding harder and harder to

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bring that air out of here's power. So, again, that's

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another consider. That we have. If we have this system

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set up in this. If I hold other municipalities, maybe.

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Want to use it. For the most part, most municipalities

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have progresses. I was actually shocked when I came here,

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that we did not compression, that we didn't fill our

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own bottles. And then the other one is a standby

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generator. How they. Passed. Sorry. Through America. So that's working

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on the size that we require, what we do. Require.

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Just this will be an emergency operation set up for

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alternate to here. We do need it. That we can

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still function, both facilities, whether that's public works and ourselves,

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at full capacity. We don't want to reduce size, so

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packs online. Maybe he can answer that. But in speaking

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with other municip. Municipalities. The $100,000 range seems to be

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close to where we would be. That's a rough number,

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obviously, but we are looking for a generator that does

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allow us. To. Blow up a mountain. We're involved in

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these down by generators a lot. Of. Tree. Standalone

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or housing. Is quite high on them, and one we're

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using, summers narrative is one of the best. We should

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check into that a little further. And in consultation with

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Pat, we certainly will be doing that. That's not a

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fixed number. By any means. That's a budgetary number to

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make sure that we do have enough. To meet the

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needs of putting it in, but we're certainly going to

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see what we need precise. Whatever size that may be

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and then source on what would be the best option.

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And also with consultation with Don as well to find

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out what are the files I've been putting in as

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far as Walmart. Thank you. And Chief Sharon did make

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a reference to our chief billing official, Pat Johnson. Pat,

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did you have anything you want to add to the

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answer? Sorry. I only caught half of the conversation. I

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was on the phone, but I think you were. Talking

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about the generator. Yes, generator. And in regards to right

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now, it's $100,000. But it's to be determined. A more

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accurate number and a more accurate size. Yeah, we didn't

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really have the sizing. We were kind of relying on

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doms. Because they built so many. That were waiting to

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resize it and get the pricing. Thank you for that.

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I did see Councillor Penner, then Councillor Stein, after Councillor

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Benner. Thank. You. I see that there are expenses that.

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We. 're. Experience. Available. However. You are willing

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to like. I'm just thinking defer that for the next

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year. I think you have to have it all right

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now. I mean, I understand. It's a want, in a

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way, and it would be really nice, but some of

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the things maybe would be. Considered. Some items to be

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further into next year. Right. Sorry to that's what I'm

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wondering which item. Well, I mean, speaking of the compressor.

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And furniture change. Old furniture for a while. I'm just

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thinking. This such a huge number that there could be

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some downsizing within that number to reduce it. And then

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you create for another. Follow. So one thing that we,

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again, one thing that we've noticed. In the, I guess

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the fire industry, when we look at the compressor, just

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in the last year. 18 months. That's $10,000 from the

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original quote. What we looked at by deferring at one.

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We're putting up what we are to identifiable problems and

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then you've got the customer going up as well. So

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it makes sense that while the contract. Contractors are there

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and working at it, that they go ahead and we

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have it installed at that. Time. As far as furnishings,

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obviously, we looked at a $5 million bill, and we

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want to make sure that when we open it up

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to the public that it looks like a $5 million.

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Building. In the quote that we have for that, those

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chairs. So those 26 chairs. In the training room and

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in my. Pc curse. They're all used chairs that could

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go from. And again, we would have to go to

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our. Lease of budgetary numbers. That's not to say that

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that's the price, but when we got that. Pullback based

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on what look now has right now and show. Showing

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the pictures of what they have in their station. We're

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certainly not trying to make the time hall. It's like

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this is what they have. What would we be looking

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at? And the price coming back. Was actually all the

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chairs we used as well, and then in some cases,

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possibly the tables. Someone like the locking. They have used

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furniture that is in good shape. There's no reason that

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we could look at that. When we priced it out.

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But again, When I saw Telaku just to get a

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budgetary number. We said we're looking for very basic office

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furniture. We're not looking for the best of the best

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or solid wood. We're looking for laminate, and that's what

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they came back at. Yes. I do understand that and.

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I totally like the idea of. Having a really nice

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looking firewall to show to the public, but I do

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think we need to just. Need to distinguish between ones

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that need stuff for our clients. Thank you. Thank you.

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Councillor san. Through you? Mayor David on site preparation. Are

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we still getting quotes in for that? Emily? Maybe. Have

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we done the RP? Have you posted it?

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At the last meeting, we did get approval to go

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forward with Kovai drafting up the tender document, and they've

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just done that. So Scott and I look at them

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this week, and then that tender will be put up

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to the public, so we don't have it. That was

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just the estimate property wise, so we're still in the

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process of the tendering process, so it'll probably. Be? I'd

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like to say it'll be brought forward to Councillor. December

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9. I believe if all goes to plan, December 9,

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camp will be able to see being simple just a

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follow up. So these quotes will all. Be in by

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the time we approve this budget. We'll know. When we

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approve this budget, we'll know. Is this project 5.1 or

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is it 4.3 or 4.6? We'll go back you'll. Have

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more certainty for sure. Okay, that's great. Thank you. Thank

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you very much, Councillor Steinhacker. Any further questions? On. Paisley

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fire hall. Just three minutes. There are no more further

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questions on the cost. Now, let me just explain the

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funding. Okay, so we've already proved the firing. I'll go

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forward in the cost. And sending the money. So now

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we got to figure out where we're going to get

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this money from paid for it. And as you know,

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We haven't had any bills yet, so we don't actually

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have to decide today. But we should get some direction

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from Councillor. And here's my proposal. So we have several

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reserves that we can use for the fire hall. First

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one is called paisley. Fire reserve. So we've been collecting

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money over the years and spending it occasionally on things.

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But it silts to $270,000. So me, being the finance

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guy, says, let's use it all. We're here building. A

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new firefall, and if we need something near 25 or

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26, we can kind of maybe. Deal with it then.

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Or to purchase the 27. But we're building a new

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firehole. Which is all hands on deck. That's my thing.

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Paisley bell mobility reserve. We have a. Tower. Existing Paisley

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fire hall, where we rent it for $9,500. And every

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year it goes. In there. We haven't taken much out,

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so it's built to 93,000. Over the years. I'd like

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to use all that. And we have a common fire

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reserve. For $90,000. So that's it. Take some money that

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we've been saving up. Let's. Use it. We're building a

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firehome. It leaves us with no reserves in those areas,

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but. They'll build back up. Because every year in the

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operating budget, we put a little money. In every year

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we get 9500 for that down mobility. Fundraising. Let's do

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some fundraising. Everybody's favorite things. That's the model. That. Again.

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An estimate? $200,000. Could we get $200,000 from fundraising? We

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had an initial meeting, so we had a few ideas.

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So that'd be another source of funding. Canadian Community building

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fund, formerly known as the gas tax. So we've been

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given this money, about $220,000 a year, every year for

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the last few years and we haven't spent it. Including

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the 2025. Award. It'll be $1,187,000. A lot of mine.

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Is use it all through firehold. Use it all. And

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then surplus land proceeds. We've sold surplus land in the

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past. We're good. In reserve. 608,000. Again. I'm looking for

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all the money I've got that we can use. I'm

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suggesting all those sources, that adds up to about half,

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two and a half million. Dollars. And then we got

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to solve the other two and a half. Where are

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we going to? Get that fund. So this talk there.

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Comments on reserves using reserves. Councilor. And yet to backtrack

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on that performer gas tax. Maybe this could be a

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good. Were we thinking some of that for great history?

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What were we thinking about? Well. I love it, Tommy

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born bridges. I love some of our roads, too, but.

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I guess the council's decision, and this is a big

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project that Dave was trying to. Fundraise. This is a

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big project, but now we got two bridges that are

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going to be closed that we need to get open

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to. So somewhere along. We're going to have to borrow

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money. For one or the other somewhere. I guess we

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have to rest account for whether they want to fund

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an old list to the fire department and then try

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to find funding for the bridge somewhere. Thank you. Great

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point, deputy shop, followed by Councillor Snatter. Thank you, Junior.

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My question is with the common fire reserve. So is

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that the total amount that's in that right now is

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$90,000. All three reserves are total. Okay.

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I hope my follow up question. Could I jump the

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line and have a related question? Councillor Stein Acker. Is

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it Evan Rashaw? So if that's okay. The condo fire

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reserve, we'll share that. A little bit with our partners

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and good friends in the. Chat with regards to our

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fireholder chastolate. Am I remembering this correctly? We shouldn't maybe

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spend that whole reserve because. Some of that are not

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completely separate. Are chastoly reserved. Maybe Chief Karen. To you,

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man. That's definitely a treasurer thing. I'll put David on

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the spot. No, I think. I think it's separate. We

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have a chest leader by a reserve, Paisley Fire reserve,

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terror fire reserve and a common fire reserve and the

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common reply over here, I said. When I look at

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research. Where did the money come from? How did it

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get in there? And I look, and I look. In

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23. Nothing came in, nothing. When I look at 22,

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nothing came in, nothing went out. So I kind of

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go back isn't somewhere was set up that some money

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was put into there. And why wasn't it put in

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equally between the three? Just comments, so. It'd be separate.

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Okay. No, thank you for that. Go to Councillor Steiner.

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Through you, Mayor Hamill. I agree with Councillor Nickerson's comments.

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However. When it all ends out at the end of

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the day, the fire must be vapor. The bridge. Stopped

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to be paid for. So somewhere along the line, Do

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we use the money we have now? And. My idea

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would be that we do use it. Can I kind

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of have a follow up comment on that for sure?

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On the Bell Mobility reserve. Now you've accumulated $93,000. And

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because. We are an amalgamated community. The page require? All

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is for airing elders. Really, not just for pesos. Am

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I right on? That so? Could we? Maybe chief chairman.

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Would we not take the pace of the Chesley and

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the tara and I don't? Know what's in. Their mobility

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reserves and use that. This is an amalgamated project. Chaturn.

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As long as David Rudy, I was okay with it.

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I mean, I still need to preach that. Suddenly this

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new bio to send me part of Aaron Health, and

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he fired suicide. So if there was money in two

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of the reserves in the bell. Mobility preserved, which certainly

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has been increasing over the years. I would be okay

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with that. But that is so my question for David

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as well. So can I just follow up? David, what's

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your thinking on that? Well, I think my role should

464
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kind of set the table and be the quarterback and

465
00:37:55,577 --> 00:37:58,217
give you guys ideas and things to watch out for

466
00:37:58,217 --> 00:38:03,717
so that way. Absolutely, judge. That's what you chose. I

467
00:38:03,717 --> 00:38:06,570
think. You'd want to be consistent with all the answers.

468
00:38:06,570 --> 00:38:12,949
I think so. For example? You could use it, but

469
00:38:12,949 --> 00:38:16,029
you just need to be prepared for what backlash you

470
00:38:16,029 --> 00:38:21,228
might get. Similar. My first assumption on page 28 is

471
00:38:21,228 --> 00:38:25,148
to use all the unspent pharma gas tax on this

472
00:38:25,148 --> 00:38:31,194
one project. One project is in Haitley. We have terra

473
00:38:31,194 --> 00:38:36,452
and ches. Chesapide. Should we use a third of that

474
00:38:36,452 --> 00:38:38,732
money? I'm sure we use six of that money because

475
00:38:38,732 --> 00:38:40,172
we want to use half of it for breaches. I

476
00:38:40,172 --> 00:38:42,332
mean, I'm. Just going to try to quarterback and get

477
00:38:42,332 --> 00:38:45,532
your input and bring back summarize. What you tell me

478
00:38:45,532 --> 00:38:48,932
today and bring back another draft, but that's certainly an

479
00:38:48,932 --> 00:38:50,252
option. I had it on my list for a while.

480
00:38:51,759 --> 00:38:55,514
Quit the question mark. Can we use the checklinter? Bill

481
00:38:55,514 --> 00:39:00,634
mobility reserve funds because it's related to fire. So you

482
00:39:00,634 --> 00:39:04,681
kind of think you can use it. But I got

483
00:39:04,681 --> 00:39:08,081
to leave the coordinator. Thank you very much for that.

484
00:39:08,081 --> 00:39:12,875
We're good for now give me our shot. Just to

485
00:39:12,875 --> 00:39:15,992
add to that, I also see. We're building a workshop

486
00:39:15,992 --> 00:39:18,392
with this as well. So it's not only fire where.

487
00:39:21,010 --> 00:39:24,444
There is. No, obviously. Cruz and Azley crew are going

488
00:39:24,444 --> 00:39:27,935
to get the best of that workshop as well. I'm

489
00:39:27,935 --> 00:39:34,510
okay with losing all that. Because it's either we use

490
00:39:34,510 --> 00:39:39,020
it today. Or we have to borrow the interest on

491
00:39:39,020 --> 00:39:42,986
that amount today. Or find that amount somewhere else and

492
00:39:42,986 --> 00:39:46,186
probably pay interest, which is going to cost more down

493
00:39:46,186 --> 00:39:54,036
the road. Maybe in here tomorrow. Thank you for that

494
00:39:54,036 --> 00:40:02,717
comment. Thank you. Seriously. In regards to the downloadability reserve.

495
00:40:02,717 --> 00:40:06,477
You said there is one for Karen chef as well.

496
00:40:06,477 --> 00:40:09,757
When? This was originally set up. What was it meant

497
00:40:09,757 --> 00:40:13,778
for? That. Information on that, or was it just like,

498
00:40:13,778 --> 00:40:17,095
oh, this is all the money? You get from the

499
00:40:17,095 --> 00:40:21,896
radio tower income. Is that? Right? Yes. And it was

500
00:40:21,896 --> 00:40:25,816
just sitting there without a proper designation. Well, through you,

501
00:40:25,816 --> 00:40:27,416
Mr. Mayor. What? I've learned from the chief is that.

502
00:40:29,453 --> 00:40:31,573
We put these towers on, they gave us 9000, I

503
00:40:31,573 --> 00:40:35,093
think 8500 a year for the first few years at

504
00:40:35,093 --> 00:40:40,662
9500, and it was used to maintain. The building. You

505
00:40:40,662 --> 00:40:44,817
want to build on that? You're absolutely correct on that

506
00:40:44,817 --> 00:40:48,145
table. We just haven't used it. We're not going to

507
00:40:48,145 --> 00:40:51,625
put a lot of money into the Paisley firehouse example

508
00:40:51,625 --> 00:40:54,868
and then the Chesley and the chair. We just haven't

509
00:40:54,868 --> 00:40:57,787
spent the money. Which is some ways a good thing.

510
00:40:59,804 --> 00:41:01,724
On to David's point. It has been used. We haven't

511
00:41:01,724 --> 00:41:06,004
had any major breakages. Or upgrades needed to unify all.

512
00:41:06,004 --> 00:41:08,324
That's not to say that if the heating system went

513
00:41:08,324 --> 00:41:10,564
over. We had an issue with the roof, or we

514
00:41:10,564 --> 00:41:12,644
had that flooded basement a couple of years ago, but

515
00:41:12,644 --> 00:41:19,004
it was low enough that. I think we may have

516
00:41:19,004 --> 00:41:21,964
taken it from there then, but it has been definitely

517
00:41:21,964 --> 00:41:24,924
growing. So again, there's always a chance down the road

518
00:41:24,924 --> 00:41:26,684
that something would be wrong in the building where we

519
00:41:26,684 --> 00:41:29,284
would have to deal with it. But to the deputy

520
00:41:29,284 --> 00:41:31,044
men's point, if there is money there where we can

521
00:41:31,044 --> 00:41:33,324
spend it now and save on interest. Then that's who

522
00:41:33,324 --> 00:41:36,636
we support that. Thank you very much for that follow

523
00:41:36,636 --> 00:41:44,991
up. Continues. Income still, right? It can be heated. There's.

524
00:41:46,186 --> 00:41:52,041
A difference. I think we'll be consideration. Good. Thank you

525
00:41:52,041 --> 00:41:55,804
very much for that. I guess I have a question.

526
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:10,221
Your contingency? $737,000. Large number. Usually some of that gets

527
00:42:10,221 --> 00:42:14,348
used. But most likely not. The whole number gets used.

528
00:42:14,348 --> 00:42:18,068
That's why it's contingency. So obviously we'll have a better

529
00:42:18,068 --> 00:42:25,206
idea. Once the groundwork sitecraft comes in. But. It's not

530
00:42:25,206 --> 00:42:27,686
an industry standard contingency. It should be a percentage of

531
00:42:27,686 --> 00:42:32,735
the total. Or. Is that most likely based on history

532
00:42:32,735 --> 00:42:37,459
of the projects that we'll use up. Because makes our

533
00:42:37,459 --> 00:42:42,982
decision. Could be the difference between financing 2.5 or 1.8.

534
00:42:44,990 --> 00:42:47,910
So, any thoughts on that? Or is that just elaborate

535
00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:52,328
on contingency at all? So typically I see in the

536
00:42:52,328 --> 00:42:56,808
works department and doing roadways and projects and endorse from

537
00:42:56,808 --> 00:43:04,391
15% to 25% contingency. Put in. Like you said, doesn't

538
00:43:04,391 --> 00:43:08,546
always get used, but I think. The creative not put

539
00:43:08,546 --> 00:43:13,467
in. I think Davis got around 1415 in there. Which

540
00:43:13,467 --> 00:43:15,907
is actually low end of what I have seen, so.

541
00:43:17,689 --> 00:43:21,084
I would recommend to stay there. I'm agreeing to that

542
00:43:21,084 --> 00:43:24,319
as well. I just wanted to make clear that could

543
00:43:24,319 --> 00:43:30,195
be used, could not be used. Okay. And just to

544
00:43:30,195 --> 00:43:34,555
build 25% on the Dom number, the system max number,

545
00:43:34,555 --> 00:43:37,155
25% of the Dom number. But now we've added this.

546
00:43:37,155 --> 00:43:42,450
A million dollars to say perhaps. Further questions from members

547
00:43:42,450 --> 00:43:49,221
of council. I can just keep going if you like.

548
00:43:49,221 --> 00:43:51,701
So, top of page 28. We talked about it there's.

549
00:43:51,701 --> 00:43:55,477
Two assumptions. That are in there. One is to use

550
00:43:55,477 --> 00:43:59,437
all the unstant Capital Canada Community funds, which is former

551
00:43:59,437 --> 00:44:02,519
the gas tax. We talked a little bit about. One

552
00:44:02,519 --> 00:44:05,719
of the compelling reasons to use this particular fund is

553
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:11,172
because. You're allowed to spend it on firearms. Very nice.

554
00:44:13,054 --> 00:44:16,574
We have that Ontario community infrastructure fund that you cannot

555
00:44:16,574 --> 00:44:20,763
use for fireballs you have to use. For rotary. So

556
00:44:20,763 --> 00:44:23,083
that was one of the ones that. The other one

557
00:44:23,083 --> 00:44:25,803
was the previous landfill, so that's. The assumption. Now, as

558
00:44:25,803 --> 00:44:29,643
we go forward, options to fund the remainder could use

559
00:44:29,643 --> 00:44:33,957
their working capital. Reserve. So we have $3 million of

560
00:44:33,957 --> 00:44:40,725
working capital. So we could use that. It will build

561
00:44:40,725 --> 00:44:43,805
back over the years, it'll probably, maybe never build back

562
00:44:43,805 --> 00:44:46,990
to 3 million. If we deplete it from 3 million.

563
00:44:49,316 --> 00:44:51,556
Use two and a half to fund this and then

564
00:44:51,556 --> 00:44:55,536
go down to 500,000. 500,000 will build back, maybe to

565
00:44:55,536 --> 00:44:59,552
a million dollars in a few years. We don't owe

566
00:44:59,552 --> 00:45:05,894
money. Our bank account and everything goes $6 million. Some

567
00:45:05,894 --> 00:45:09,475
of that is earmarked for the reserve for water. It's

568
00:45:09,475 --> 00:45:12,757
not all in investments. So that's one option. Another option

569
00:45:12,757 --> 00:45:16,136
would be to borrow the money. And we could borrow

570
00:45:16,136 --> 00:45:17,816
two and a half million dollars or more if we

571
00:45:17,816 --> 00:45:21,674
need it, from infrastructure. Ontario. They have good rate. And

572
00:45:21,674 --> 00:45:26,340
we could pay it back through. Operating future years operating

573
00:45:26,340 --> 00:45:32,890
budget. Technically allowed me to read all the details. You

574
00:45:32,890 --> 00:45:34,930
could use the Community Canada Community Building fund to pay

575
00:45:34,930 --> 00:45:37,970
for your loan on your firearm for the next ten

576
00:45:37,970 --> 00:45:41,250
years. And they pledged 250,000 a year for the next

577
00:45:41,250 --> 00:45:44,831
ten years. So these are some of the options to

578
00:45:44,831 --> 00:45:46,031
consider. How are we going to spend? How are we

579
00:45:46,031 --> 00:45:48,991
going to fund the two and a half million dollars.

580
00:45:48,991 --> 00:45:53,387
One way is just. They were borrowed by later. But

581
00:45:53,387 --> 00:45:55,467
we don't have to decide today. But I just wanted

582
00:45:55,467 --> 00:45:57,547
to kind of set the table saying we should start

583
00:45:57,547 --> 00:46:01,087
thinking about how to fund this and. Give me ideas

584
00:46:01,087 --> 00:46:03,047
and guardrails, where not to go and where to go.

585
00:46:04,913 --> 00:46:09,522
Thanks for that, deputy mayor first council. Through the mayor.

586
00:46:10,681 --> 00:46:13,241
I'd like to. I guess that third option that we

587
00:46:13,241 --> 00:46:19,519
fund. The expansion part from development charges. Come to fruition.

588
00:46:22,317 --> 00:46:25,077
And then I guess before we can make the final

589
00:46:25,077 --> 00:46:28,197
decision, that there was. I love to see what the

590
00:46:28,197 --> 00:46:34,017
interest cost will be. On the lower wind from infrastructure,

591
00:46:34,017 --> 00:46:37,263
Ontario. And I think also, if we're going to use

592
00:46:37,263 --> 00:46:39,983
some of our own reserves, we've, done in the past.

593
00:46:39,983 --> 00:46:42,823
We might charge with an internal interest rate or something

594
00:46:42,823 --> 00:46:50,025
like that. And do a payback situation. So not sure

595
00:46:50,025 --> 00:46:53,853
if you climb those numbers. David. David. Just to that

596
00:46:53,853 --> 00:47:01,242
last one. Deputy mayor Shaw. If we borrow from the

597
00:47:01,242 --> 00:47:04,322
water sewer reserve, which I've encountered not to do, but

598
00:47:04,322 --> 00:47:07,819
if we did, we would pay that back interest. And

599
00:47:07,819 --> 00:47:10,499
if we use money from other reserves, like the working

600
00:47:10,499 --> 00:47:14,139
capital Reserve, we would forego any interest earned from that.

601
00:47:15,827 --> 00:47:20,627
Gain for future tax years operating budgets, and we could

602
00:47:20,627 --> 00:47:23,667
certainly calculate all that for you. But we wouldn't have

603
00:47:23,667 --> 00:47:28,394
to. Pay because it's all just our money. It's just

604
00:47:28,394 --> 00:47:31,824
that way to be a realization that if. Money is

605
00:47:31,824 --> 00:47:34,344
not free and that if we took our 3 million.

606
00:47:35,777 --> 00:47:39,553
Dollars working capital reserve to half a million dollars. We

607
00:47:39,553 --> 00:47:41,993
would get tens of thousands of dollars less interest next

608
00:47:41,993 --> 00:47:45,455
year, in the future years. I just can't say all

609
00:47:45,455 --> 00:47:54,114
that. No follow up needed. Deputy mayor, Councillor Benner. Thank

610
00:47:54,114 --> 00:47:56,874
you, Ms. Mayor. I think I'm just not 100% sure.

611
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,360
When you were saying we have to pay a million

612
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:04,826
dollar in the bank. So just until two and a

613
00:48:04,826 --> 00:48:09,508
half hours. Then basically we'll still have. We would need

614
00:48:09,508 --> 00:48:18,011
to borrow no man, right? But. We couldn't restock this

615
00:48:18,011 --> 00:48:21,496
money from any kind of. As soon as you said

616
00:48:21,496 --> 00:48:25,296
the other option was to get money from certain funds.

617
00:48:27,924 --> 00:48:31,840
Which are able to. But. That would be available to

618
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,588
restock our campus. Right? So. There would be. Maybe. I'm

619
00:48:35,588 --> 00:48:40,716
just wondering. Pros and cons there to maybe take advantage

620
00:48:40,716 --> 00:48:47,132
of funding. I'm sorry. I've been into accounting, so it's

621
00:48:47,132 --> 00:48:49,572
a bit of a hard for me to. See the

622
00:48:49,572 --> 00:48:53,497
pros and cons of each of these things. Is there

623
00:48:53,497 --> 00:49:00,800
any way to. Get this more. Paper somehow. This could

624
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,520
be one option. This would be another option, is that

625
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:08,384
we deal with it. And just to build a little

626
00:49:08,384 --> 00:49:17,063
bit through Mr. Air. One option was to compartmentalize this

627
00:49:17,063 --> 00:49:21,623
firewall on. Compartmentalize the money. Right. So. If we borrow

628
00:49:21,623 --> 00:49:24,023
two and a half million dollars from infrastructure, Ontario, how

629
00:49:24,023 --> 00:49:25,423
are you going to pay? That back. Well, I'm going

630
00:49:25,423 --> 00:49:28,543
to get a grant every year from the canadian government.

631
00:49:30,848 --> 00:49:32,528
For former gastonics, and I just use that to take

632
00:49:32,528 --> 00:49:35,608
the payment, and it's all neat and tidy, then we

633
00:49:35,608 --> 00:49:38,248
just go out with our lives and that's it. If

634
00:49:38,248 --> 00:49:40,448
we choose not to do that, and we funded through.

635
00:49:42,192 --> 00:49:45,554
The work of working capital or the bank account. Then

636
00:49:45,554 --> 00:49:47,834
next year, when we get one of those grants for

637
00:49:47,834 --> 00:49:51,994
the former gas tax, we can put it back into

638
00:49:51,994 --> 00:49:55,074
our reserves and just leave it there or use it

639
00:49:55,074 --> 00:50:01,769
for bridges and other things. The infrastructure requirement is huge.

640
00:50:01,769 --> 00:50:04,649
I have no problem with that. The spending market, getting

641
00:50:04,649 --> 00:50:08,525
the money in. I think the real question here is

642
00:50:08,525 --> 00:50:10,085
just to go up the level, is just, do we

643
00:50:10,085 --> 00:50:14,525
want to spend it all on the fire holler. We

644
00:50:14,525 --> 00:50:15,565
want to kind of put some of the burden on

645
00:50:15,565 --> 00:50:19,626
the fire hall in future years. Follow up and then

646
00:50:19,626 --> 00:50:29,352
Councillor Nickerson. If we take it on our own. Time.

647
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:33,640
Is there any money that we cannot accept or get

648
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:38,426
in order to refill our funds? So that will be

649
00:50:38,426 --> 00:50:44,850
basically the same, then. Thanks for your time. Thank you.

650
00:50:52,156 --> 00:50:55,596
For funding. We did use the money that we have.

651
00:50:57,962 --> 00:51:01,042
And then say, yeah, we need two and a half

652
00:51:01,042 --> 00:51:04,361
million out of that. What would be? We know we

653
00:51:04,361 --> 00:51:07,321
can't pay for this fire hole all one year. That's

654
00:51:07,321 --> 00:51:10,921
a given. But then this would cover good half of

655
00:51:10,921 --> 00:51:14,481
it. So we figured what we would have paid an

656
00:51:14,481 --> 00:51:18,531
interest. Or not for, say, the next 810 years of

657
00:51:18,531 --> 00:51:24,092
our budget. Thousand dollars or $100,000 in interest that we

658
00:51:24,092 --> 00:51:26,412
would have paid for that could go back into working

659
00:51:26,412 --> 00:51:31,802
capital. And fund it that way. That would be transferring

660
00:51:31,802 --> 00:51:35,226
it over a period of ten years or something. Like

661
00:51:35,226 --> 00:51:44,239
that? Absolutely. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor. Staff. Through

662
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:48,974
your merit. I guess this is maybe for Emily. When

663
00:51:48,974 --> 00:51:53,014
this infrastructure material came along as an option for us.

664
00:51:55,326 --> 00:51:58,326
I believe it was a ten year loan. Am I

665
00:51:58,326 --> 00:52:02,400
right on that? I wasn't here. With a ten year

666
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:10,336
loan. Any option you want. 510 15 was at 4%,

667
00:52:10,336 --> 00:52:18,341
I believe. It was about. 4.4 something. Anytime you have

668
00:52:18,341 --> 00:52:20,741
some extra money, you can throw it at it. No,

669
00:52:20,741 --> 00:52:23,722
you can't. So in the structure, Ontario, you can borrow

670
00:52:23,722 --> 00:52:26,082
money. It's almost like a line of credit. During construction.

671
00:52:27,776 --> 00:52:29,976
And the rate changes every day. And you can throw

672
00:52:29,976 --> 00:52:32,096
money at it anytime, borrow. It's just like, in and

673
00:52:32,096 --> 00:52:37,755
out. Once you occupy, it's locked solid, like a vault.

674
00:52:37,755 --> 00:52:41,475
So the interest rate is locked and. You cannot prepay.

675
00:52:41,475 --> 00:52:43,915
That's just the way they do it. As the province

676
00:52:43,915 --> 00:52:48,029
and. You cannot prepaid. So the thought at the time

677
00:52:48,029 --> 00:52:50,549
at the table was, what if we sell the old

678
00:52:50,549 --> 00:52:56,156
fire hall? Land. A couple of hundred to $200,000. The

679
00:52:56,156 --> 00:53:01,248
old works land. Can't do an instructional territory. But the

680
00:53:01,248 --> 00:53:04,128
registrate is really good, and it's. Credits available. So this

681
00:53:04,128 --> 00:53:10,279
is the good things. But that's the rule. Kind of

682
00:53:10,279 --> 00:53:12,359
around the table was thinking ten years instead of 25.

683
00:53:14,163 --> 00:53:15,643
Or ten years. Let's get this thing out of the

684
00:53:15,643 --> 00:53:20,842
way. But that was the history. I'm just trying to

685
00:53:20,842 --> 00:53:26,078
put some opinions in my life. But I made money.

686
00:53:26,078 --> 00:53:32,501
The waters by this time. So by internal borrowing and

687
00:53:32,501 --> 00:53:39,557
stretching and straining ourselves by not using infrastructure. Ontario. We

688
00:53:39,557 --> 00:53:40,957
could be giving the public the false impression that we

689
00:53:40,957 --> 00:53:43,877
had lost money or even the province. The impression that

690
00:53:43,877 --> 00:53:46,877
we had lost money, even though we are delighting other

691
00:53:46,877 --> 00:53:51,594
projects. And I would be probably more comfortable if we

692
00:53:51,594 --> 00:53:55,994
would borrow, let's say, $1 million. From infrastructure Ontario, not

693
00:53:55,994 --> 00:53:59,594
the 2.5 here, but still have some borrowing so that

694
00:53:59,594 --> 00:54:01,714
we have some flexibility for our other coaches because we

695
00:54:01,714 --> 00:54:06,972
have lots of other projects on our list. But. Probably

696
00:54:06,972 --> 00:54:10,252
not me. The 2.5. That's just my initial thought. At

697
00:54:10,252 --> 00:54:14,035
this moment, based on these numbers. But do you want

698
00:54:14,035 --> 00:54:16,555
more information from us? That kind of might end up

699
00:54:16,555 --> 00:54:19,075
right now it's? All good. Everything you said is good.

700
00:54:19,075 --> 00:54:22,884
Come back with some more details. And again. If we

701
00:54:22,884 --> 00:54:25,852
don't have to decide today. But it's something we should

702
00:54:25,852 --> 00:54:28,132
be thinking about. Because you might want to say I

703
00:54:28,132 --> 00:54:30,692
don't. Want to do any more capital projects. No recreation,

704
00:54:30,692 --> 00:54:32,572
no roads, no bridges. I only want. To do this.

705
00:54:34,334 --> 00:54:36,334
Probably won't say that. Or you may say, let's do

706
00:54:36,334 --> 00:54:41,654
these important recreation road. Project bridge projects in 2025. The

707
00:54:41,654 --> 00:54:45,774
monies we have, knowing we've got this fire. Hall thing

708
00:54:45,774 --> 00:54:47,934
that we still got to get through, and then I'll

709
00:54:47,934 --> 00:54:50,414
try and pick these. Work very carefully because even we're

710
00:54:50,414 --> 00:54:52,694
going to go to the public or members of the

711
00:54:52,694 --> 00:54:55,698
public for fundraising. And if they come back and say,

712
00:54:55,698 --> 00:54:57,498
well, you don't even need to borrow any money, for

713
00:54:57,498 --> 00:54:59,538
this. You have lots of money for this that could

714
00:54:59,538 --> 00:55:04,749
be detrimental to fundraising campaigns because. Of that. So that's.

715
00:55:06,391 --> 00:55:15,025
Very fine here. But Councillor, banker. Thank you. Just. A

716
00:55:15,025 --> 00:55:17,585
funny comment. The one was watching it. People know how

717
00:55:17,585 --> 00:55:19,585
much money they have, but they should be. They can't

718
00:55:19,585 --> 00:55:21,985
find out. It's not like it's a secret, right? We

719
00:55:21,985 --> 00:55:25,665
all open here about our finances, but I do like

720
00:55:25,665 --> 00:55:30,375
that idea to. Kind of still get a little ground

721
00:55:30,375 --> 00:55:34,255
because we do have this money or the potential income

722
00:55:34,255 --> 00:55:38,823
from the sale of these properties. Right? And then. We

723
00:55:38,823 --> 00:55:43,235
can replenish our fund. I don't think this is a

724
00:55:43,235 --> 00:55:50,294
really nice meeting. Thank you. Okay, this is kind of

725
00:55:50,294 --> 00:55:52,734
a side issue, and I think it's directed through you,

726
00:55:52,734 --> 00:55:57,098
Mary. Scott. Many years ago, when the water tower in

727
00:55:57,098 --> 00:56:03,581
Jarrah was built. And water rates were 5%. Right? They're

728
00:56:03,581 --> 00:56:10,213
not 3%. Right? Yes. And. Rakesh always told us, well,

729
00:56:10,213 --> 00:56:12,493
it's sort of as a perk for the people. Terror

730
00:56:12,493 --> 00:56:16,537
that had to pay $3,200. We'll give them a break

731
00:56:16,537 --> 00:56:19,737
at 3%. Well, when does that break going to be?

732
00:56:19,737 --> 00:56:23,853
Over. Because if we're talking about borrowing money, That would

733
00:56:23,853 --> 00:56:26,053
be a fair chunk of money with the terra water

734
00:56:26,053 --> 00:56:30,526
users to go back in. I won't understand your question.

735
00:56:34,379 --> 00:56:36,139
So are you talking about the capital charge? Are you

736
00:56:36,139 --> 00:56:40,647
talking about the 3% charge, which are. Both. I think

737
00:56:40,647 --> 00:56:44,727
I'm talking about the 3% charge. Okay, so your 3%

738
00:56:44,727 --> 00:56:47,727
charge is. Based on a financial plan that the government

739
00:56:47,727 --> 00:56:53,489
brought in after walker and for all water systems. And

740
00:56:53,489 --> 00:56:57,169
that 3% isn't for necessary the tower loan 3% based

741
00:56:57,169 --> 00:57:02,062
on maintaining your water and sewer infrastructure. If something was

742
00:57:02,062 --> 00:57:05,502
to happen. So that's how that and every five years,

743
00:57:05,502 --> 00:57:09,142
that financial plan. Has opened up again and reevaluated. Okay?

744
00:57:10,659 --> 00:57:12,779
So David may be with only. Is it due in

745
00:57:12,779 --> 00:57:16,859
2026, you think? David, do you remember? 26, 27 might

746
00:57:16,859 --> 00:57:19,139
be the first two year that we need to redo

747
00:57:19,139 --> 00:57:21,459
it again. So you're not going to see a reprieve,

748
00:57:21,459 --> 00:57:27,493
I guess, here until the new financial plan. Okay. Starting

749
00:57:27,493 --> 00:57:33,018
to get off track. Well, no need to apologize. I

750
00:57:33,018 --> 00:57:34,818
will out of common. I don't mean this comment sending

751
00:57:34,818 --> 00:57:37,058
negative, but I think we need to make sure the

752
00:57:37,058 --> 00:57:40,138
public knows that your question is in regards to the

753
00:57:40,138 --> 00:57:45,885
water and sewer users, not general taxation, right? They're drastically

754
00:57:45,885 --> 00:57:47,605
different, and we continually have to tell the public that

755
00:57:47,605 --> 00:57:51,462
they're drastically different because the parties understand. But that could

756
00:57:51,462 --> 00:57:56,307
generate more. Reserve for future projects for that. In regards

757
00:57:56,307 --> 00:58:00,027
to this future project, I don't see a difference in

758
00:58:00,027 --> 00:58:07,342
my mind. But. Hopefully people tuning in today. Can understand

759
00:58:07,342 --> 00:58:11,147
the difference. This is kind of a question for David.

760
00:58:11,147 --> 00:58:13,267
I want to get my head around it, too, because.

761
00:58:15,564 --> 00:58:18,124
I know in prior Councillor years or prior to the

762
00:58:18,124 --> 00:58:22,604
municipality, money was borrowed for projects through the water, sewer,

763
00:58:22,604 --> 00:58:24,924
and it was paid back to a smaller interest rate,

764
00:58:24,924 --> 00:58:29,919
et cetera. I missed what you said to David. Is

765
00:58:29,919 --> 00:58:32,439
that a possibility or not a possibility? Just asking questions.

766
00:58:34,529 --> 00:58:36,911
It may be a possibility. It was suggested to me,

767
00:58:36,911 --> 00:58:40,591
not by a colleague in another municipality, not to do

768
00:58:40,591 --> 00:58:44,751
it because we've got everything. So compartmentalizedly water ensued. People

769
00:58:44,751 --> 00:58:47,151
give us the money for their usage, and then we

770
00:58:47,151 --> 00:58:49,551
use some of it for the operation and most of

771
00:58:49,551 --> 00:58:54,631
it for the capital. So it's separate accounts. Everything's separate

772
00:58:54,631 --> 00:58:57,962
because we want it separate. And you should keep it.

773
00:58:59,796 --> 00:59:04,270
And then to build on that. The interest rate we

774
00:59:04,270 --> 00:59:06,983
get from the bank. Is not a whole lot different

775
00:59:06,983 --> 00:59:11,919
than the interest rate. Interest on investment infrastructure Ontario charges

776
00:59:11,919 --> 00:59:14,759
us. We get a really good rate from infrastructure Ontario.

777
00:59:14,759 --> 00:59:19,437
I could bring the decimal .7 figure it out. But

778
00:59:19,437 --> 00:59:22,277
it's not like a bank where they'll give you 1%

779
00:59:22,277 --> 00:59:26,131
of your savings account charge you 4% to four. This

780
00:59:26,131 --> 00:59:28,771
is, we get like three and a half percent on

781
00:59:28,771 --> 00:59:33,091
our, now we got about 4.1% on our bank account

782
00:59:33,091 --> 00:59:39,056
and they're charging us 4.2% borrow. So. It just doesn't

783
00:59:39,056 --> 00:59:43,271
seem to have enough pull to say. Let's borrow from

784
00:59:43,271 --> 00:59:49,930
that other place. Good questions. Being too heavy handed. I

785
00:59:49,930 --> 00:59:52,530
think there's a company to give you a little bit

786
00:59:52,530 --> 00:59:55,930
more. Information. David is like John financers, but a little

787
00:59:55,930 --> 00:59:58,970
bit more where we're thinking for reserves here and such,

788
00:59:58,970 --> 01:00:02,010
or you've been gathering information here. Would you like more

789
01:00:02,010 --> 01:00:04,450
kind of. Go around the table kind of comments or

790
01:00:04,450 --> 01:00:11,267
what would you like? Well, I guess just the only

791
01:00:11,267 --> 01:00:14,387
previous rare any comment that would say, just don't do

792
01:00:14,387 --> 01:00:17,187
anything. Otherwise, we'll proceed and bring you some more clarity

793
01:00:17,187 --> 01:00:23,394
for. The next time. Can I start with my thought?

794
01:00:23,394 --> 01:00:26,954
Yeah. I do not like the idea of using the

795
01:00:26,954 --> 01:00:32,438
other vulnerability. Reserves, I think. They're both for new windows,

796
01:00:32,438 --> 01:00:37,316
new roof, new. Infrastructure, those other buildings and then the

797
01:00:37,316 --> 01:00:40,516
chocolate ones. A little bit more complicated with our joint

798
01:00:40,516 --> 01:00:43,036
ownership. With Chasper, but that's just my thought. I don't

799
01:00:43,036 --> 01:00:49,027
know what other people's. Thoughts are. I give a map

800
01:00:49,027 --> 01:00:51,347
of memory that we've used some of those reserves over

801
01:00:51,347 --> 01:00:54,587
my 14. Years for other areas of those other homes,

802
01:00:54,587 --> 01:00:58,347
but I'd rather just use daily one, so. That's just

803
01:00:58,347 --> 01:01:07,730
my. Councilor benner. In regards to that, I still have

804
01:01:07,730 --> 01:01:10,690
a question all the time on because when we look

805
01:01:10,690 --> 01:01:14,890
at the expense of safari. Obviously, building the biomarker cost

806
01:01:14,890 --> 01:01:19,090
is a major expense. And then when will be ready

807
01:01:19,090 --> 01:01:22,890
to put in this generator and to put in the.

808
01:01:22,890 --> 01:01:26,752
So I'm wondering. If. There is offering some of it

809
01:01:26,752 --> 01:01:33,979
to the following budget. What I wonder? Because. It takes

810
01:01:33,979 --> 01:01:35,579
a little while to get the thing done, and then

811
01:01:35,579 --> 01:01:40,542
they're going to be more expensive. Yeah. Ideally through idealia.

812
01:01:40,542 --> 01:01:42,182
From a budget point of view, we're going to plan

813
01:01:42,182 --> 01:01:46,102
to have this fire all completed in 2025 and occupied

814
01:01:46,102 --> 01:01:49,515
and everything ready to go. So all things being equal,

815
01:01:49,515 --> 01:01:53,795
that's great. Reality may come along and say doesn't. Get

816
01:01:53,795 --> 01:01:59,234
finished till later. But we have to plan for that,

817
01:01:59,234 --> 01:02:01,634
and we're hoping for that for sure. We need it.

818
01:02:03,592 --> 01:02:13,018
Thank you, council. Yeah, just. Follow. Up on baby reproduction

819
01:02:13,018 --> 01:02:17,920
generator whatnot. Just to explain a little bit. All the

820
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:21,371
time. If you decide you're not going to put it

821
01:02:21,371 --> 01:02:23,411
into a later date, it's going to cost you a

822
01:02:23,411 --> 01:02:26,491
lot more because you got to install the switching gear.

823
01:02:26,491 --> 01:02:30,091
Automatic switching gear. And type for this generator to operate

824
01:02:30,091 --> 01:02:33,211
on. And if you're not going to put the generator

825
01:02:33,211 --> 01:02:36,783
in there now. Wherever you get the contractor and the

826
01:02:36,783 --> 01:02:38,623
lock, you are not going to put the switch gear

827
01:02:38,623 --> 01:02:40,663
in. There. And then another year down the road, all

828
01:02:40,663 --> 01:02:43,783
of a sudden, wham, you're in. Another $30,000. You got

829
01:02:43,783 --> 01:02:47,516
rip all that first time. I redo it again. So

830
01:02:47,516 --> 01:02:51,345
this is. Something that we need. A generator. It's going

831
01:02:51,345 --> 01:02:53,425
to be a must, and it needs to be done

832
01:02:53,425 --> 01:02:55,585
at the same time if it's going to save you,

833
01:02:55,585 --> 01:03:03,757
like you, $30,000. Doing it later. Yes. And I understand

834
01:03:03,757 --> 01:03:06,852
that. When it's supposed to be done by the end

835
01:03:06,852 --> 01:03:11,932
of the day. At the same time. I just think,

836
01:03:11,932 --> 01:03:19,766
first of all, Mayor, I do think we should use

837
01:03:19,766 --> 01:03:23,086
the bell tower reserves. That's just my thinking. I've already

838
01:03:23,086 --> 01:03:27,822
stated that. And I think we need to get more

839
01:03:27,822 --> 01:03:31,142
information on this with us as far as cost and

840
01:03:31,142 --> 01:03:37,128
I think with Councillor Nicholson says about the compressor. Is

841
01:03:37,128 --> 01:03:41,743
valuable information, and I just. Think this is something we're

842
01:03:41,743 --> 01:03:43,383
going to have to mow over in the next week.

843
01:03:43,383 --> 01:03:52,986
Or two. I feel like I need to clarify now.

844
01:03:52,986 --> 01:03:56,906
So this proposed funding only included the paper and non

845
01:03:56,906 --> 01:04:02,449
mobility reserve. Did I miss the conversation of the tarantex?

846
01:04:04,687 --> 01:04:11,832
Being used. It was the suggestion from. Council. 20 minutes

847
01:04:11,832 --> 01:04:16,395
ago. Yeah, no, I'm with you. I feel like Karen

848
01:04:16,395 --> 01:04:23,657
has. Been. But. Could we just park this? Because we're

849
01:04:23,657 --> 01:04:26,657
not even fully aware of the Councillor, but dental. Reserves

850
01:04:26,657 --> 01:04:35,361
and. Any. Restrictions. Restriction. But are you okay with that?

851
01:04:35,361 --> 01:04:38,121
Maybe that would come back then with the additional information.

852
01:04:39,912 --> 01:04:43,222
Yes. I was just going to try to wrap things

853
01:04:43,222 --> 01:04:46,382
up. So would Councillor like staff to bring back? A

854
01:04:46,382 --> 01:04:50,964
report with further detail. On. The cost as well as

855
01:04:50,964 --> 01:04:55,299
the options and maybe also kind of a hybrid. On

856
01:04:55,299 --> 01:04:58,659
the options to fund the remaining. So maybe not all

857
01:04:58,659 --> 01:05:01,779
the capital, maybe not all thoroughly, but. Those two as

858
01:05:01,779 --> 01:05:05,658
well is some sort of a hybrid mix. That Councillor

859
01:05:05,658 --> 01:05:08,937
might be a little bit more comfortable with. I'll give

860
01:05:08,937 --> 01:05:16,777
my thoughts. If there could be option a. Option B.

861
01:05:16,777 --> 01:05:20,969
Option B and. We've asked for a couple of different

862
01:05:20,969 --> 01:05:24,009
options here and then Councillor can kind of go. Through

863
01:05:24,009 --> 01:05:27,516
that or ABCD. In my mind could make it easier.

864
01:05:27,516 --> 01:05:29,996
But that's kind of what you were thinking, that. Is

865
01:05:29,996 --> 01:05:32,196
as well as maybe what we can do is also

866
01:05:32,196 --> 01:05:35,316
pros and cons. So each auction will probably have a

867
01:05:35,316 --> 01:05:38,956
pro and a con to it, definitely with the interest

868
01:05:38,956 --> 01:05:41,236
that we would lose versus the interest that we're going

869
01:05:41,236 --> 01:05:44,200
to spend. That the treasurer will be able to kind

870
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:47,341
of bring that a little bit more. Clear for when

871
01:05:47,341 --> 01:05:51,440
Councillor is making further decisions. Thank you very much for

872
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:55,014
that. Councillor Panner, I think. And then Councillor Nicholson. Thank

873
01:05:55,014 --> 01:05:58,840
you. Regards to these funds for Karen Shesley. So I

874
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:02,360
was just thinking that it's that. Money and for the

875
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:04,880
county things. Don't know how county works, but it's that.

876
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:11,468
Money once, then for a certain item. Department budget. And

877
01:06:11,468 --> 01:06:14,548
then it would sort of be borrowed from the IHS

878
01:06:14,548 --> 01:06:16,868
because there's going to be future income. So that pays

879
01:06:16,868 --> 01:06:21,181
the income would go back. Into those funds, then I

880
01:06:21,181 --> 01:06:25,282
feel like it will be a possibility, because. It's not

881
01:06:25,282 --> 01:06:27,883
like to truly please them, but socialist. Do have money

882
01:06:27,883 --> 01:06:31,163
going to provide. It might be, but if this would

883
01:06:31,163 --> 01:06:34,392
all be kept. In one budget, and it's being paid

884
01:06:34,392 --> 01:06:37,112
back from the team because he's entitled. As mutant, they

885
01:06:37,112 --> 01:06:40,312
should not be needing any money for any repairs in

886
01:06:40,312 --> 01:06:44,262
their future. So I think there's still a possibility to

887
01:06:44,262 --> 01:06:49,098
save on interest. To do that. Thank you very much

888
01:06:49,098 --> 01:06:57,239
for that. Councilor nixon. David with this, your infrastructure.

889
01:07:00,898 --> 01:07:02,818
We have to tell them how much money we need

890
01:07:02,818 --> 01:07:12,386
up front. To a box. And say if we did

891
01:07:12,386 --> 01:07:14,586
say we need two and a half million, and all

892
01:07:14,586 --> 01:07:19,550
of a sudden, It's up that we've already got 2

893
01:07:19,550 --> 01:07:22,430
million from them. But we haven't. Received the keys to

894
01:07:22,430 --> 01:07:26,578
the building yet. If we had an extra million dollars,

895
01:07:26,578 --> 01:07:29,538
we could pay main off of that and only finance,

896
01:07:29,538 --> 01:07:32,938
but. We have to decide that before we receive the

897
01:07:32,938 --> 01:07:36,178
keys for the bill from the contractor. Right. Three. Was

898
01:07:36,178 --> 01:07:40,128
here. Correct. We can pay all kind of. Occupancy over

899
01:07:40,128 --> 01:07:43,448
the keys or whatever the date is, that's the lockdown.

900
01:07:43,448 --> 01:07:46,827
Date. Between now and then, it could be Amelia and

901
01:07:46,827 --> 01:07:48,467
it could be a million and a half, could be

902
01:07:48,467 --> 01:07:50,747
half a million. Or we could tell them whatever we

903
01:07:50,747 --> 01:07:54,404
want at that moment. But what I'm saying is, if

904
01:07:54,404 --> 01:07:57,924
we didn't pull out of all our funds, and we're

905
01:07:57,924 --> 01:08:02,059
up that we had maybe 2.4 million. We fold them

906
01:08:02,059 --> 01:08:05,720
in nine. But then we decided. Week before we take

907
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:09,952
off the sea. Of a one. $9 million here somewhere.

908
01:08:09,952 --> 01:08:16,458
Pay that down. Okay. Thank you. Thank you for that.

909
01:08:18,390 --> 01:08:27,674
Thank you. So. When you calculate. This and collect all

910
01:08:27,674 --> 01:08:31,924
the funds. Is it like. They're paying all these different

911
01:08:31,924 --> 01:08:36,044
accounts for all these various expenses in regards to the

912
01:08:36,044 --> 01:08:38,844
prior or is it just one big part of money

913
01:08:38,844 --> 01:08:42,644
and then that's the one that pay? Out. So you're

914
01:08:42,644 --> 01:08:46,484
not keeping any separate. Okay, well, you said that this

915
01:08:46,484 --> 01:08:48,644
much on the radio tower we take this money from?

916
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:56,595
The radio Tower Fund. Not really. I wanted to put

917
01:08:56,595 --> 01:08:58,515
it all together. I didn't want to say, hey, it's

918
01:08:58,515 --> 01:09:01,555
only $3 million and then come back another with another

919
01:09:01,555 --> 01:09:03,955
500,000 for this and that. And I just want to

920
01:09:03,955 --> 01:09:11,309
put it all together. Now, as we go forward, and

921
01:09:11,309 --> 01:09:14,629
we might decide from fundraising, but let's take this little

922
01:09:14,629 --> 01:09:19,526
piece out and go and fundraise for it instead. So

923
01:09:19,526 --> 01:09:22,971
then I come off your list. Because we want to

924
01:09:22,971 --> 01:09:25,291
identify it as something specific. Let's say we want to

925
01:09:25,291 --> 01:09:28,491
fundraise. For the furnishings. And then the 25,000 comes off

926
01:09:28,491 --> 01:09:30,131
and we get, try to get the money that way.

927
01:09:31,835 --> 01:09:34,195
But if it doesn't come in, we might still. The

928
01:09:34,195 --> 01:09:37,933
parents. We still have to pay. It. Thank you. Thank

929
01:09:37,933 --> 01:09:42,752
you, Councillor Don. We still have properties and we have

930
01:09:42,752 --> 01:09:48,136
less than for sale yet. And there's real good chance

931
01:09:48,136 --> 01:09:51,257
there's a subtle way spring. Which could be three or

932
01:09:51,257 --> 01:09:57,907
$400,000. That would be kicked into this fund. To help

933
01:09:57,907 --> 01:10:02,667
offset our money. That would be boring infrastructure, Ontario at

934
01:10:02,667 --> 01:10:07,264
the end, which could bring us back down. I shouldn't

935
01:10:07,264 --> 01:10:13,253
say. My advice was a small home, but. There's a

936
01:10:13,253 --> 01:10:17,954
municipality. Thank you for that comment. Anything else you need

937
01:10:17,954 --> 01:10:20,314
to update it before we go to tell you? I

938
01:10:20,314 --> 01:10:25,739
can move forward. Sure, if I could. Just on top

939
01:10:25,739 --> 01:10:28,019
of page 28, we have a few fire projects that

940
01:10:28,019 --> 01:10:30,979
will be funded through reserve. In a relatively small capital

941
01:10:30,979 --> 01:10:36,317
projects. Cycler have second story, Lifefire training center, new bunker

942
01:10:36,317 --> 01:10:44,186
gear, Terra vehicle, hydraulic cutter. Terra rescue airbag system replacement

943
01:10:44,186 --> 01:10:50,553
and modernization of thermal dimension cameras. So I guess I'm

944
01:10:50,553 --> 01:10:53,913
curious what reserve makes it come in from. For example,

945
01:10:53,913 --> 01:10:58,433
the terra. Vehicle rescue hydraulic cutter and spreader, reserving complementary

946
01:10:58,433 --> 01:11:04,284
tariff firefall reserves. They have their own reserves. For equipment.

947
01:11:05,873 --> 01:11:10,560
And fixing things. New. In the repair. Okay. And then

948
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:12,960
my follow up question. I believe we have one of

949
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:18,091
these. I think I've seen it demonstrated. That the open

950
01:11:18,091 --> 01:11:26,009
houses. So. I'm curious why we're buying another one. I

951
01:11:26,009 --> 01:11:30,835
can't say that. Which item is. The rescue hydraulic cutter

952
01:11:30,835 --> 01:11:34,235
and spreader. Is that not the big, like, snip thing

953
01:11:34,235 --> 01:11:39,102
that. I've seen our firefighters demonstrating. So each department. So

954
01:11:39,102 --> 01:11:42,902
you measure through yourself. So each department carries two cent.

955
01:11:42,902 --> 01:11:49,030
For years they've. Had two independent sets. When paisley. Fundraise

956
01:11:49,030 --> 01:11:53,896
and got their last e hydraulic set. We moved. The

957
01:11:53,896 --> 01:11:56,416
backup section. They ended up with two sets then, so

958
01:11:56,416 --> 01:12:00,776
we moved their electric hydraulic set over. To Terra and

959
01:12:00,776 --> 01:12:04,256
the old set of height of Nike hydraulics they had

960
01:12:04,256 --> 01:12:06,976
from back in the 80s that was decommissioned and took

961
01:12:06,976 --> 01:12:11,176
out of service. They used that for approximately two, three

962
01:12:11,176 --> 01:12:15,123
months and then. It basically. Went because it was also

963
01:12:15,123 --> 01:12:17,883
35 years old as well. So what we're doing right

964
01:12:17,883 --> 01:12:20,203
now, this is very much to your point, where you'd

965
01:12:20,203 --> 01:12:22,603
seen as I cut it and spread. An independent system.

966
01:12:24,146 --> 01:12:26,226
What we've done is gone with a single system cutter

967
01:12:26,226 --> 01:12:30,909
and spreader for the additional set. Which does both jobs.

968
01:12:30,909 --> 01:12:33,549
So when our purchase in a full set, we're purchasing

969
01:12:33,549 --> 01:12:38,501
an e. Hydraulic set, which mimics. The battery system the

970
01:12:38,501 --> 01:12:40,741
same as what Paisley does. So as we replace the

971
01:12:40,741 --> 01:12:43,981
table in all three. Stations. We'll go to the same

972
01:12:43,981 --> 01:12:46,661
platform so that all the fires all have the same.

973
01:12:48,506 --> 01:12:50,626
Tools but to your point, yes, you have seen the

974
01:12:50,626 --> 01:12:52,986
verse that was through a trillion grin I'm going to

975
01:12:52,986 --> 01:12:57,345
say that was. Probably 13 years ago, and that's the

976
01:12:57,345 --> 01:13:00,105
hearst set that they use when they do the demonstrations,

977
01:13:00,105 --> 01:13:02,225
but they're a second set right now is out of

978
01:13:02,225 --> 01:13:07,181
Boulder state commission. It's not working. How often do they

979
01:13:07,181 --> 01:13:14,352
use both steps? At a time. That's a case where

980
01:13:14,352 --> 01:13:22,705
possible. It's on the second truck, right? Yeah. Good point.

981
01:13:23,949 --> 01:13:26,789
So to that point, because we can do noticeable calls

982
01:13:26,789 --> 01:13:33,404
at different times. In terror's case. We've done five ndcs

983
01:13:33,404 --> 01:13:35,284
in the last couple of weeks we've been looking in

984
01:13:35,284 --> 01:13:37,964
the sense that we haven't had two independent cars. With

985
01:13:37,964 --> 01:13:40,964
a head on full trapped. But if a pump was

986
01:13:40,964 --> 01:13:44,324
away doing a different job when we get an MDC.

987
01:13:44,324 --> 01:13:46,404
It gives us the ability to still send a rescue,

988
01:13:46,404 --> 01:13:49,404
or vice versa, so. The municipality one before I got.

989
01:13:50,011 --> 01:13:52,851
Here. Always maintain two steps of hydraulics at each station

990
01:13:52,851 --> 01:13:56,651
on two independent trucks. So we're just trying to maintain

991
01:13:56,651 --> 01:13:59,491
that. Not having two full sets on my goal down

992
01:13:59,491 --> 01:14:01,931
the road is to have a cuttering spread, a combie

993
01:14:01,931 --> 01:14:06,686
tool that does both jobs as one unit. I'd like

994
01:14:06,686 --> 01:14:09,686
to ask the related question. During my 14 years here,

995
01:14:09,686 --> 01:14:14,166
I've been over 14 hours talking about minor capital fire,

996
01:14:14,166 --> 01:14:19,277
and we've had, like, allotment of 15,000. Or they've built

997
01:14:19,277 --> 01:14:23,084
up reserve. Of sorts and then to please the reserve

998
01:14:23,084 --> 01:14:28,152
or pour of money from future. Minor capital. Are we

999
01:14:28,152 --> 01:14:31,752
still along those lines? There's a certain amount for minor

1000
01:14:31,752 --> 01:14:35,312
capital items, or are we moving away from that because

1001
01:14:35,312 --> 01:14:40,900
of the complexity of it? Because for years we've talked

1002
01:14:40,900 --> 01:14:43,963
about this so many times. I'm quite confused, but to

1003
01:14:43,963 --> 01:14:51,403
David. What's your thoughts? Well. When we buy equipment, we're

1004
01:14:51,403 --> 01:14:54,003
just going to charge it to operating and the budget

1005
01:14:54,003 --> 01:14:57,783
that we. Had called minor capital. We just moved that

1006
01:14:57,783 --> 01:15:03,440
bunch into materials and supplies. We're no longer proceeding with

1007
01:15:03,440 --> 01:15:11,519
that. Other question. Debbie Rashaw. So I have a follow

1008
01:15:11,519 --> 01:15:14,319
up, I guess, and then when this comes back, I

1009
01:15:14,319 --> 01:15:17,679
would like to see these items prioritize because every other

1010
01:15:17,679 --> 01:15:27,264
department prioritize their. Capital expenditures. And. I individually.

1011
01:15:29,601 --> 01:15:33,121
Start big dollars. But in a year when we're spending

1012
01:15:33,121 --> 01:15:37,964
over $5 million on a new firefall and. We still

1013
01:15:37,964 --> 01:15:41,124
have lots of offerings cost in the fire department for

1014
01:15:41,124 --> 01:15:47,216
training for the team. If there's somebody that is saved

1015
01:15:47,216 --> 01:15:53,185
here. That firefighters can be trained with. That's where I

1016
01:15:53,185 --> 01:15:56,105
would rather see the dollars in the department being spent,

1017
01:15:56,105 --> 01:16:00,965
and I appreciate the operating and capital are severance. But.

1018
01:16:02,731 --> 01:16:04,891
I'm not confident that all of these are a high

1019
01:16:04,891 --> 01:16:14,651
priority. From my conversations. With. Team. Where did you turn?

1020
01:16:16,963 --> 01:16:19,043
So all three items to Tara come from speaking with

1021
01:16:19,043 --> 01:16:21,243
the district you've been speaking to. The offices. The cutest

1022
01:16:21,243 --> 01:16:24,123
spreader is now out of service, so down to one

1023
01:16:24,123 --> 01:16:27,083
that's. Why we're looking at purchasing another one. The omegs

1024
01:16:27,083 --> 01:16:30,112
they took out of. Service a couple of months ago

1025
01:16:30,112 --> 01:16:31,712
due to the fact that we had 30 years old

1026
01:16:31,712 --> 01:16:35,506
and were unable to be serviced anymore. June. Because they

1027
01:16:35,506 --> 01:16:39,858
considered pressure vessels. So the herback system. Care does not

1028
01:16:39,858 --> 01:16:43,987
have one right now. The thermal engine cameras is three

1029
01:16:43,987 --> 01:16:46,857
of those. Terrorist thermal imaging camera. The MSA, which is

1030
01:16:46,857 --> 01:16:49,497
15 year old, is now broke, so they're down with

1031
01:16:49,497 --> 01:16:52,977
thermal imaging camera. Paisley now having an issue with their

1032
01:16:52,977 --> 01:16:57,762
equivalents and chemists. So we were looking at modernizing. That

1033
01:16:57,762 --> 01:16:59,802
the religion campus as we go along, give you the

1034
01:16:59,802 --> 01:17:04,228
cameras that they have now. Our situational thermal energy cameras

1035
01:17:04,228 --> 01:17:07,468
on the operational fermentation cameras, and that's just. Cameras that

1036
01:17:07,468 --> 01:17:08,868
they bought back in the day when they got a

1037
01:17:08,868 --> 01:17:10,708
good deal. It just means that they actually do the

1038
01:17:10,708 --> 01:17:13,828
job they're supposed to, so certainly get three terror items.

1039
01:17:13,828 --> 01:17:17,481
They're items that are missing right now. We can set

1040
01:17:17,481 --> 01:17:19,081
like a down level of service when it comes to

1041
01:17:19,081 --> 01:17:21,481
the hydraulic cuttering spread. But that will take down to

1042
01:17:21,481 --> 01:17:25,225
one unit. We did look at doing the cheapest way

1043
01:17:25,225 --> 01:17:28,773
we could, and that was going to come because. Again,

1044
01:17:28,773 --> 01:17:31,053
I could certainly prioritize them, but I would certainly show

1045
01:17:31,053 --> 01:17:37,673
them those four items. That they needed. The light container

1046
01:17:37,673 --> 01:17:39,433
we can put back to a medium, but that's something

1047
01:17:39,433 --> 01:17:42,513
we're trying to build for our basement and second story

1048
01:17:42,513 --> 01:17:50,399
players, and that's all being done in house. Needed. I

1049
01:17:50,399 --> 01:17:53,959
guess I'm confused because I see two terror items. We

1050
01:17:53,959 --> 01:17:56,359
refer to three star items. And then we spoke to

1051
01:17:56,359 --> 01:18:04,353
four items, priority. So one of. These fire thermal imaging

1052
01:18:04,353 --> 01:18:06,393
cameras is. One of them is for terrace, so that's

1053
01:18:06,393 --> 01:18:09,484
where we get. That's correct. And that's how the service.

1054
01:18:16,297 --> 01:18:19,057
Go further. Head over to Councillor pattern. Thank you so

1055
01:18:19,057 --> 01:18:22,775
much. In regards to the Life medium center, are we

1056
01:18:22,775 --> 01:18:29,637
not having the opportunity? To practice that hotel anymore. Like

1057
01:18:29,637 --> 01:18:36,105
I said. So one of the things about Bruce Powell

1058
01:18:36,105 --> 01:18:37,865
that we noticed in my couple of years here, I've

1059
01:18:37,865 --> 01:18:39,825
been there once, and in talking to most of the

1060
01:18:39,825 --> 01:18:41,865
officers in all three stations, it was the same eight

1061
01:18:41,865 --> 01:18:44,265
to ten. Five. That is the wood color every year.

1062
01:18:45,905 --> 01:18:48,385
Mainly from Paisley. The year that I went over, we

1063
01:18:48,385 --> 01:18:52,871
had two biopharists in chest. Label Terra. I do this

1064
01:18:52,871 --> 01:18:54,311
in house. What it allows us to do is do

1065
01:18:54,311 --> 01:18:56,751
it on regular training evenings. Therefore. And I'm paying for

1066
01:18:56,751 --> 01:18:59,951
DM, so called the PDMs. That's not. To say that

1067
01:18:59,951 --> 01:19:02,351
Bruce power can be used for the propane crops, but

1068
01:19:02,351 --> 01:19:05,071
when it comes to life via annual training for all

1069
01:19:05,071 --> 01:19:09,111
of our firefighters. It's impossible to get if we've got

1070
01:19:09,111 --> 01:19:12,823
45 to 50 interior fireplaces to get them all. Over.

1071
01:19:13,786 --> 01:19:15,306
By the time we pay travel time, by the time

1072
01:19:15,306 --> 01:19:18,146
we pay full day. 50 inches to go. There. That's

1073
01:19:18,146 --> 01:19:19,866
why we chose a couple of years ago to build

1074
01:19:19,866 --> 01:19:21,986
this and to do it in house. And most of

1075
01:19:21,986 --> 01:19:24,466
that train is done on a regular training night. Therefore,

1076
01:19:24,466 --> 01:19:28,870
we're. Not anchoring any further cost. That's not to say

1077
01:19:28,870 --> 01:19:31,030
that we won't go to Bruce palp for the propane

1078
01:19:31,030 --> 01:19:39,447
crops put together live bioside things? Absolutely not. Yeah. It

1079
01:19:39,447 --> 01:19:41,487
was there any kind of optimist and it was great

1080
01:19:41,487 --> 01:19:45,527
training. They had several story building, which is really what

1081
01:19:45,527 --> 01:19:51,119
being needed. If we need just. Respond to. A high

1082
01:19:51,119 --> 01:19:57,468
rise situation. And I feel that. People need to show

1083
01:19:57,468 --> 01:19:59,508
up on things like that are offered. And if they

1084
01:19:59,508 --> 01:20:01,548
don't show? Up. That's not fun. But that's not one.

1085
01:20:03,630 --> 01:20:08,277
Thank you. So it's incumbent of us to make sure

1086
01:20:08,277 --> 01:20:11,157
that our firefighters get animal life by a train. And

1087
01:20:11,157 --> 01:20:13,637
we're the ones who, Councillor, set the level of service

1088
01:20:13,637 --> 01:20:16,477
with what we do. For biophyding. We say that we're

1089
01:20:16,477 --> 01:20:19,277
a full service department. So with that being said. We

1090
01:20:19,277 --> 01:20:22,877
have 55 fighters that we say are internal firefighters able

1091
01:20:22,877 --> 01:20:29,836
to do. Internal pipeline. We have to make sure. We

1092
01:20:29,836 --> 01:20:31,756
have a process in place that every year they're put

1093
01:20:31,756 --> 01:20:34,436
into a situation where they can do live fire with

1094
01:20:34,436 --> 01:20:38,669
bruce power. Again, the problem was we've got a couple

1095
01:20:38,669 --> 01:20:41,509
of departments that send one or two of the same

1096
01:20:41,509 --> 01:20:46,815
people, but we have 25 fires. Of interior. And that's

1097
01:20:46,815 --> 01:20:48,855
where we've seen the need to build what we've. Got

1098
01:20:48,855 --> 01:20:52,196
here so we can make sure. We're meeting the training

1099
01:20:52,196 --> 01:20:54,876
that we need in case we have situations where it's.

1100
01:20:54,876 --> 01:20:59,611
Required, words needed. Thanks for that. Think we'll head to

1101
01:20:59,611 --> 01:21:02,771
transportation services on 29. If there's nothing. Further from you,

1102
01:21:02,771 --> 01:21:05,931
David. No transportation services. So the way I look at

1103
01:21:05,931 --> 01:21:07,651
this is that I mentioned. At the beginning. We have

1104
01:21:07,651 --> 01:21:11,131
about a little over $800,000 from this grant every year.

1105
01:21:11,131 --> 01:21:16,215
From Ontario community infrastructure fund. And we've got about 1.2

1106
01:21:16,215 --> 01:21:21,955
million to spend on transportation and recreation capital projects. So

1107
01:21:21,955 --> 01:21:26,323
up to 800,000 perosis. That's what we have. And then

1108
01:21:26,323 --> 01:21:32,057
this list adds up to 2.2 million. 2,000,148. So we

1109
01:21:32,057 --> 01:21:33,257
got to decide which ones to do. So instead of

1110
01:21:33,257 --> 01:21:35,857
just dumping the list, you guys. We thought, why don't

1111
01:21:35,857 --> 01:21:39,177
we give you some sense of staff priority, and that's.

1112
01:21:39,177 --> 01:21:43,360
Where the ABC comes. And so Scott can answer any

1113
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:47,461
of the questions about the priority. And to do all

1114
01:21:47,461 --> 01:21:49,661
the a priorities. I just did the math. We need

1115
01:21:49,661 --> 01:21:55,144
688,000. And then we can't use this. Grant used to

1116
01:21:55,144 --> 01:21:58,144
buy trucks, so we got a tandem. Cloud truck that

1117
01:21:58,144 --> 01:22:01,624
we've already built for the chassis. We need 400,000 to

1118
01:22:01,624 --> 01:22:04,904
build. The rest of that truck and 20,000 for this

1119
01:22:04,904 --> 01:22:08,669
flail lower. So that's the 420 we need to take

1120
01:22:08,669 --> 01:22:15,918
out the 1.2. Floating around. But. Maybe. You got a

1121
01:22:15,918 --> 01:22:17,358
list of projects here I don't know if you have

1122
01:22:17,358 --> 01:22:20,158
any questions about? Those projects or which ones should be

1123
01:22:20,158 --> 01:22:22,358
brought forward instead of being a c priority, should be

1124
01:22:22,358 --> 01:22:26,558
an a priority or vice versa in terms of transportation

1125
01:22:26,558 --> 01:22:32,035
service. So does Councillor want to lack better terms? Cherry

1126
01:22:32,035 --> 01:22:35,075
pick on the list or just force measure files? Want

1127
01:22:35,075 --> 01:22:37,715
to make some highlights? I don't get any hands yet.

1128
01:22:41,001 --> 01:22:45,201
Councilor Penner. Thank you, too. I'm happy to see that.

1129
01:22:46,675 --> 01:22:49,435
However, I would like to see over, like you to

1130
01:22:49,435 --> 01:22:57,471
describe to me what kind of psychology there. And. If

1131
01:22:57,471 --> 01:23:00,664
it includes the road. This is just sidewalk. We're talking

1132
01:23:00,664 --> 01:23:03,406
about. And that. Just the weight of it, I'd like

1133
01:23:03,406 --> 01:23:08,130
to know. What this 200,000 was in. How much risk

1134
01:23:08,130 --> 01:23:10,290
we get for now, and it's just supposed to be

1135
01:23:10,290 --> 01:23:12,890
leading all the way around to the school or just

1136
01:23:12,890 --> 01:23:19,841
a long, notorious week? Thank you. Steve. So this sidewalk

1137
01:23:19,841 --> 01:23:25,325
would start at Victoria Street. On the west side of

1138
01:23:25,325 --> 01:23:30,107
the road. It will be a high bank. Curb, put

1139
01:23:30,107 --> 01:23:34,947
in with a sidewalk 1.5 meters beyond that high bank

1140
01:23:34,947 --> 01:23:38,787
curve, and it would lead down to earn on street,

1141
01:23:38,787 --> 01:23:40,827
which is a school is on, and it would lead

1142
01:23:40,827 --> 01:23:44,347
around that. And tighten to the existing sidewalk of the

1143
01:23:44,347 --> 01:23:50,106
school. This would involve doing some catch basins and drainage,

1144
01:23:50,106 --> 01:23:52,346
because right now the water drains off the rope. Into

1145
01:23:52,346 --> 01:23:54,426
the ditch. So when we go to high bank curve,

1146
01:23:54,426 --> 01:23:58,824
we've got to do some. Catch basins for that. As

1147
01:23:58,824 --> 01:24:00,984
far as the rule of work, the only road work

1148
01:24:00,984 --> 01:24:05,253
would involve a little patching. You go from servicing on

1149
01:24:05,253 --> 01:24:08,958
that road? There's some bad divots. We would probably grind

1150
01:24:08,958 --> 01:24:11,358
them out and repatch them, but we are not paving

1151
01:24:11,358 --> 01:24:15,020
the whole. Room. That's what that is. And how wide

1152
01:24:15,020 --> 01:24:18,917
I see this is like, besides. This thing? Sidewalk, which

1153
01:24:18,917 --> 01:24:21,787
is the line on the road. That people have to

1154
01:24:21,787 --> 01:24:24,107
ditch so we see why we left sidewalk, so that

1155
01:24:24,107 --> 01:24:30,147
they're not. Going for? Bicycles. And. That kind of thing

1156
01:24:30,147 --> 01:24:33,425
would be blind enough to have an easy part. Because

1157
01:24:33,425 --> 01:24:36,409
at the moment, The pavement ends here, then there's some

1158
01:24:36,409 --> 01:24:39,129
grass, and then the line is what I think. It's

1159
01:24:39,129 --> 01:24:42,539
two and a half feet at the most. So would

1160
01:24:42,539 --> 01:24:47,472
it be a standard. Standards for sidewalks is 1.5 meters.

1161
01:24:48,878 --> 01:24:52,176
Which is 5ft. The sidewalk would be only that wide.

1162
01:24:52,176 --> 01:24:54,216
You may gain a little bit on a high bank

1163
01:24:54,216 --> 01:24:57,616
curve. Depending whether they forward or continuous, with a sidebar

1164
01:24:57,616 --> 01:25:01,096
for whether they pour it separate. But the maximum 1.5ft.

1165
01:25:03,513 --> 01:25:10,226
Off where gold started a bitch. I feel like. This

1166
01:25:10,226 --> 01:25:12,026
would blow. As much as I like the Bible, one

1167
01:25:12,026 --> 01:25:14,706
that there, it just seems to be. Cleaning a quite

1168
01:25:14,706 --> 01:25:18,546
deep, stitch like inch to the ditch where people could

1169
01:25:18,546 --> 01:25:22,974
actually fall down. Yeah, that probably could happen. It's going

1170
01:25:22,974 --> 01:25:24,814
to be as a sidewalk. There's no other way to

1171
01:25:24,814 --> 01:25:28,992
unless you want to do a complete road construction. It's

1172
01:25:28,992 --> 01:25:30,512
got a dock open. This is going to remain so.

1173
01:25:30,512 --> 01:25:32,232
Your sidewalk is going to be on top of that.

1174
01:25:33,739 --> 01:25:35,539
I just kind of put my fishing worse than it

1175
01:25:35,539 --> 01:25:41,724
is now. Do you know where I'm talking about? It.

1176
01:25:41,724 --> 01:25:45,044
It's a real eye as the consistency on the list

1177
01:25:45,044 --> 01:25:47,880
and. I just want to be sure that anarchy pressing

1178
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:51,560
out to you actually create a greater habit, so. That's

1179
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:57,232
why. I'm so. Concerned about that because I feel like

1180
01:25:57,232 --> 01:26:00,552
me too. And such as my brain, what I envision.

1181
01:26:00,552 --> 01:26:03,112
There to be a safe time bar, so I'll give

1182
01:26:03,112 --> 01:26:06,706
you a comparison. If you were to look. And it's

1183
01:26:06,706 --> 01:26:08,506
not as long as stretches. We're going. To see in

1184
01:26:08,506 --> 01:26:12,066
Paisley, but the new sidewalk and Terra by the bridge.

1185
01:26:13,824 --> 01:26:15,784
But if you were to look at it, it drops

1186
01:26:15,784 --> 01:26:21,442
off substantially before it goes onto the bridge. And I

1187
01:26:21,442 --> 01:26:23,562
don't see for any issues there, but you could take

1188
01:26:23,562 --> 01:26:25,362
a look at it. And see, like I said, this

1189
01:26:25,362 --> 01:26:27,962
is going to be a lot longer stretch, but in

1190
01:26:27,962 --> 01:26:30,282
order for me to provide something that you want to.

1191
01:26:33,636 --> 01:26:36,864
Cause the scope into the ditch. We're looking at Libra

1192
01:26:36,864 --> 01:26:39,584
construction, and you're looking at probably a million dollars. For

1193
01:26:39,584 --> 01:26:44,632
our project. I'm trying to address the safety of the

1194
01:26:44,632 --> 01:26:48,750
kids with the sidewalk. If they can't stay on the

1195
01:26:48,750 --> 01:26:53,873
sidewalk, it can't help that. I looked at savings of

1196
01:26:53,873 --> 01:27:00,810
about 50 to 80,000. With just the drive through curve,

1197
01:27:00,810 --> 01:27:03,890
but I felt if the concern was safety, I'm not.

1198
01:27:03,890 --> 01:27:07,300
Going to go beside mark without an eye bank. Could

1199
01:27:07,300 --> 01:27:16,205
I just interject? We did install new sidewalk on the

1200
01:27:16,205 --> 01:27:21,219
north end of Paisley, and there's a steep bank. In

1201
01:27:21,219 --> 01:27:22,579
regards to that as well. Would that also be like

1202
01:27:22,579 --> 01:27:25,219
a similar example of how it can be done, and

1203
01:27:25,219 --> 01:27:28,179
right now it's being done that way. There. That was

1204
01:27:28,179 --> 01:27:31,238
very good example. Thank you. That's where you raise the

1205
01:27:31,238 --> 01:27:34,118
sidewalk to get to the end of town. Okay. All

1206
01:27:34,118 --> 01:27:38,313
right. Thank you. Thank you, Debbie. Rosha.

1207
01:27:44,967 --> 01:27:48,127
Other questions in regards or workspace in the cloud. Do

1208
01:27:48,127 --> 01:27:49,847
you want me just go through the e list. And

1209
01:27:49,847 --> 01:27:51,927
then if you guys questions about me, you guys will

1210
01:27:51,927 --> 01:27:54,127
bring them up or do you just. Does everybody know

1211
01:27:54,127 --> 01:27:56,127
where these projects are? And you want me to run

1212
01:27:56,127 --> 01:28:02,469
through or you. Guys are good. How about, like, a

1213
01:28:02,469 --> 01:28:06,389
two liner from each line just to give us just

1214
01:28:06,389 --> 01:28:10,809
a little bit more? Information from each. Yes. Contestion six

1215
01:28:10,809 --> 01:28:16,129
elderly. There was some money budget from last year we're

1216
01:28:16,129 --> 01:28:18,649
working on. Engineering. But that is where up from the

1217
01:28:18,649 --> 01:28:21,569
locker Redam, where the world is sliding into the river.

1218
01:28:23,426 --> 01:28:24,986
So, again, kind of a safety thing. So that's why

1219
01:28:24,986 --> 01:28:30,282
I say it's an 80. Okay. David Talmark developed the

1220
01:28:30,282 --> 01:28:34,777
truck. The truck? We ordered the chassis. We actually haven't

1221
01:28:34,777 --> 01:28:37,217
purchased it yet. We're supposed to be. Here in November,

1222
01:28:37,217 --> 01:28:39,457
and then it goes to Viking, and then next year

1223
01:28:39,457 --> 01:28:43,833
the equipment goes on. Okay, roadside. Roadside. More. That's the

1224
01:28:43,833 --> 01:28:47,633
playoff. So we have one two disc by more stoic.

1225
01:28:47,633 --> 01:28:51,553
And we have one flame. The flail Moore is causing

1226
01:28:51,553 --> 01:28:55,953
us price repairable costs, so. That's why it's in budget,

1227
01:28:55,953 --> 01:28:59,513
and I want to keep a flail more. Good instances.

1228
01:28:59,513 --> 01:29:03,306
The terra trail, because. It's been actually more than it

1229
01:29:03,306 --> 01:29:06,946
can take down trees and twigs and stuff, so it's

1230
01:29:06,946 --> 01:29:10,717
not just a normal cup. Then we talked about the

1231
01:29:10,717 --> 01:29:17,866
length of a sidewalk. Paving is on the 15 side

1232
01:29:17,866 --> 01:29:23,630
road. Basically from concession two to eleven, where the bridges

1233
01:29:23,630 --> 01:29:29,945
got the turn. Passed down from Knoxville farms. The elevators.

1234
01:29:31,810 --> 01:29:35,341
And north. That's the turn. Chip Road. And we don't

1235
01:29:35,341 --> 01:29:38,541
pay the tune around. Lose it and it's still really

1236
01:29:38,541 --> 01:29:40,261
good. Shape. So that's why I want to pave it

1237
01:29:40,261 --> 01:29:42,941
opposed to town and shipping it. Based on what Councillor

1238
01:29:42,941 --> 01:29:47,623
did last year. Ballard Clown street. Same thing. All you

1239
01:29:47,623 --> 01:29:50,303
have to do is drive that between George and James

1240
01:29:50,303 --> 01:29:56,199
and. You'll see that really bad. The alligator and. If

1241
01:29:56,199 --> 01:29:57,679
we don't soon get painted over top, but it's going

1242
01:29:57,679 --> 01:30:04,782
to start picking. Out. Church and arena. That's when we

1243
01:30:04,782 --> 01:30:07,702
did the. About the bypass, when they did the bridge.

1244
01:30:09,766 --> 01:30:11,246
Our guys went in there and did some watering work

1245
01:30:11,246 --> 01:30:14,998
this year. And after doing the water framework, we see

1246
01:30:14,998 --> 01:30:17,609
that. It's very tough shape. If you were to look

1247
01:30:17,609 --> 01:30:20,209
at it. Alligator again, up against the arena and such

1248
01:30:20,209 --> 01:30:25,021
forth. So that's why it's there. And the last little

1249
01:30:25,021 --> 01:30:29,416
sections in chastity here down by the lawn bowling. We

1250
01:30:29,416 --> 01:30:31,456
need to do some drainage work there because that's why

1251
01:30:31,456 --> 01:30:33,536
the road is breaking up. And it's leading into the

1252
01:30:33,536 --> 01:30:38,046
park. Basically in front of the law. I think that's

1253
01:30:38,046 --> 01:30:39,966
all the A's and I guess. If you guys have

1254
01:30:39,966 --> 01:30:42,846
any knee questions or seeds, let me know. Thank you.

1255
01:30:44,807 --> 01:30:53,118
On the b issues here, Scott. Through you, mayor. Landfill

1256
01:30:53,118 --> 01:30:56,718
trailer. That's the biddings that people just throw the garbage

1257
01:30:56,718 --> 01:31:04,187
into. No, it isn't. That bin would be for us,

1258
01:31:04,187 --> 01:31:08,347
for mattresses. So right now, we like the mattresses and.

1259
01:31:08,347 --> 01:31:11,547
My guys put them in the bins that are in

1260
01:31:11,547 --> 01:31:18,414
paisley and transport them. Away for recycling. But right now.

1261
01:31:20,240 --> 01:31:22,520
The bins are tied up all the time. And, Hazel,

1262
01:31:22,520 --> 01:31:25,772
we wondered about getting a bigger bin. You just leave

1263
01:31:25,772 --> 01:31:28,692
at the air site and we could try and keep

1264
01:31:28,692 --> 01:31:30,932
ahead of the mattresses. If you ever been to the

1265
01:31:30,932 --> 01:31:34,012
iron landcoat, that building gets held up with lashes quite

1266
01:31:34,012 --> 01:31:37,532
quickly. So that idea was used an existing trailer and

1267
01:31:37,532 --> 01:31:46,353
get a bin for masters. So I guess my one

1268
01:31:46,353 --> 01:31:49,233
comment regards to that would be to take a lot

1269
01:31:49,233 --> 01:31:53,556
of fat time. To. Remove mattresses and fill the building

1270
01:31:53,556 --> 01:31:57,566
that can use for other things. Even $11,000 cost could

1271
01:31:57,566 --> 01:32:03,382
be recovered fairly quickly. With staff, time and equipment. Senior

1272
01:32:03,382 --> 01:32:07,547
American. Americans put it to an aid the landfill I'd

1273
01:32:07,547 --> 01:32:09,787
like to be very proud of around here. The landfill

1274
01:32:09,787 --> 01:32:15,226
is probably. Good. Our garbage collection is probably. The only

1275
01:32:15,226 --> 01:32:17,706
service we provide. That's almost a break, even with recycling.

1276
01:32:19,354 --> 01:32:27,995
Debbie. I remember the question. It's about the wheel drive.

1277
01:32:31,486 --> 01:32:37,625
Paving project. I guess. It's hard. Not due to the

1278
01:32:37,625 --> 01:32:42,562
construction that's been happening. Can we recover any of that?

1279
01:32:44,372 --> 01:32:48,392
From. The developer, or is that just. That's on us?

1280
01:32:51,821 --> 01:32:58,480
To. Pay that. Through. I don't foresee you collecting any

1281
01:32:58,480 --> 01:33:02,400
of that through the developer based on the present. Piece.

1282
01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:07,548
He has paid for the building permit. And as far

1283
01:33:07,548 --> 01:33:11,923
as construction goes, They will pass. They've done some stormwater

1284
01:33:11,923 --> 01:33:15,443
servicing that they will patch at this point. We're still

1285
01:33:15,443 --> 01:33:17,683
looking at a tarot hydro. We don't know where they're.

1286
01:33:17,683 --> 01:33:20,003
Going and what they're going to do to our roadway

1287
01:33:20,003 --> 01:33:23,999
and stuff too. So I guess what I'm saying to

1288
01:33:23,999 --> 01:33:26,840
use. As a Councillor if you're going to have. I

1289
01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:29,920
don't know. I don't. Know how many million dollar building

1290
01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:33,808
there and then. We're going to have a patch road.

1291
01:33:35,632 --> 01:33:37,712
And maybe that's why I put it to section b,

1292
01:33:37,712 --> 01:33:39,592
because maybe it doesn't. Have to be done next year.

1293
01:33:39,592 --> 01:33:48,865
Like, maybe the project won't be complete. Yes. I was

1294
01:33:48,865 --> 01:33:50,745
wondering that. That too, actually was looking at the address.

1295
01:33:51,962 --> 01:34:00,151
What is happening with these? They don't look great. So

1296
01:34:00,151 --> 01:34:05,437
my second question. And it's not ledger related, but are

1297
01:34:05,437 --> 01:34:07,317
we going to have a one way street around? There.

1298
01:34:09,296 --> 01:34:15,581
Is that the plan? Is that? Tv. Was at one

1299
01:34:15,581 --> 01:34:17,821
time on Row street, but that was never pushed through

1300
01:34:17,821 --> 01:34:25,065
by Councillor. So at this. Time. That isn't happening.

1301
01:34:31,857 --> 01:34:39,167
Councilor staff. Wellington street to County Road one today. Is

1302
01:34:39,167 --> 01:34:42,207
it a heavily used row again? I don't know. I'm

1303
01:34:42,207 --> 01:34:49,207
asking this to. You, Scott, I think. Yeah. Surprising. We

1304
01:34:49,207 --> 01:34:51,327
did drop account on it. I can't pull the numbers

1305
01:34:51,327 --> 01:34:54,471
up right in. Front of here, but. I was price

1306
01:34:54,471 --> 01:34:56,271
action numbers on it. It was a little under to

1307
01:34:56,271 --> 01:34:58,311
date, but it was still for that type of road.

1308
01:35:00,333 --> 01:35:03,573
You classified it as a c, so you're not looking

1309
01:35:03,573 --> 01:35:09,936
at it as a major priority. Yeah, that's the case.

1310
01:35:09,936 --> 01:35:12,496
Could be the case. It is a shared roadway with

1311
01:35:12,496 --> 01:35:17,202
Brockton. So basically, on capital work of Brockton, we split

1312
01:35:17,202 --> 01:35:20,802
the cost. So there's a few. Projects in my capital

1313
01:35:20,802 --> 01:35:23,762
here that deal with Brockton, and I'm still kind of

1314
01:35:23,762 --> 01:35:27,122
in negotiation with them on what we're going to proceed

1315
01:35:27,122 --> 01:35:29,802
with and what we can do, so. That's why it's

1316
01:35:29,802 --> 01:35:37,720
down. The priority, okay? Myself and then Councillor Benner. So

1317
01:35:37,720 --> 01:35:41,101
paid to read into Bald Island. That area has been

1318
01:35:41,101 --> 01:35:47,319
quite rough at times. That little section, I'm assuming. The

1319
01:35:47,319 --> 01:35:49,599
curtains section right by our slash path. Obviously we don't

1320
01:35:49,599 --> 01:35:54,634
want to increase the speed. That I. Have been conversations

1321
01:35:54,634 --> 01:35:58,992
with various community members saying, well, That could be closer

1322
01:35:58,992 --> 01:36:02,632
to the hurling club instead of so close to our

1323
01:36:02,632 --> 01:36:06,352
slash pad. So is this just repayed 50,000 would just

1324
01:36:06,352 --> 01:36:09,992
be pavement on the existing or is there any thought

1325
01:36:09,992 --> 01:36:12,792
fill of moving that a little bit further away from

1326
01:36:12,792 --> 01:36:15,152
our splash pad, closer to the front. Curls up, or

1327
01:36:15,152 --> 01:36:21,398
is that. Completely off the table. So that is not

1328
01:36:21,398 --> 01:36:25,678
factoring in moving it. We could look at that. That

1329
01:36:25,678 --> 01:36:29,118
is factoring. Into greening it. The reason that is such

1330
01:36:29,118 --> 01:36:33,173
a terrible mess. Is because the road is the dream,

1331
01:36:33,173 --> 01:36:38,096
and that should never be. And the reason I crossed

1332
01:36:38,096 --> 01:36:40,776
it as a b is I'm really scared to put

1333
01:36:40,776 --> 01:36:44,536
that project forward because I have no paving in the

1334
01:36:44,536 --> 01:36:48,857
north this year. And it could be substantially higher just

1335
01:36:48,857 --> 01:36:52,444
to do a small area like that. Right, but I'm

1336
01:36:52,444 --> 01:36:57,486
well aware it means that it's terrible. Okay. All right,

1337
01:36:57,486 --> 01:37:00,086
that's all I need for now. I think Councillor Benner

1338
01:37:00,086 --> 01:37:09,250
is on. That? No, thank you. Further.

1339
01:37:10,545 --> 01:37:14,734
From the list to staff. From staff. David back to

1340
01:37:14,734 --> 01:37:18,574
you. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. We'll talk about recreation and

1341
01:37:18,574 --> 01:37:21,654
culture and recreation. And culture probably has got a list

1342
01:37:21,654 --> 01:37:24,774
of $1.2 million of projects, some of them get funded

1343
01:37:24,774 --> 01:37:29,762
by donations. Some of them get funded by grants. And

1344
01:37:29,762 --> 01:37:34,089
then there's somebody left over. So again, Carly's gone through

1345
01:37:34,089 --> 01:37:38,947
and said priority or defer. Again. The Councillor can give

1346
01:37:38,947 --> 01:37:42,457
us input to move some up or some down. As

1347
01:37:42,457 --> 01:37:43,537
you see fits. We just wanted to give you a

1348
01:37:43,537 --> 01:37:48,405
sense of the priority. And. If we did all the

1349
01:37:48,405 --> 01:37:52,885
ones that are labeled with priority, we would need $269,000.

1350
01:37:54,449 --> 01:37:57,409
That I mentioned earlier, that this pays involved and enhancements

1351
01:37:57,409 --> 01:38:00,159
will go ahead. Full cost of the project will be

1352
01:38:00,159 --> 01:38:05,159
through donations, $70,000 and the chair, readdress year of upgrade

1353
01:38:05,159 --> 01:38:08,599
50 50 with the grant. So if we get the

1354
01:38:08,599 --> 01:38:11,799
grant, if we're. Successful, we'll have several years to spend

1355
01:38:11,799 --> 01:38:17,441
that grant money. Suggesting we spend it in 26, if

1356
01:38:17,441 --> 01:38:22,731
successful. And Carly could give you maybe some of the

1357
01:38:22,731 --> 01:38:31,015
satellite on each project. Would that be appropriate? Excellent. Great.

1358
01:38:31,015 --> 01:38:38,584
Thanks. Carly, you're up. So. Weasley, tesla? Not a length

1359
01:38:38,584 --> 01:38:40,584
hair and I got it completed this year. There are

1360
01:38:40,584 --> 01:38:43,822
all the. 25 years old. After 20. That. Those pieces

1361
01:38:43,822 --> 01:38:46,102
of equipment, you can't tear them apart and rebuild them.

1362
01:38:47,587 --> 01:38:51,395
There's a mechanism that holds four refrigerants. So we're going

1363
01:38:51,395 --> 01:38:54,395
to just kind of needing to do those. The tarot

1364
01:38:54,395 --> 01:38:57,315
and talent. System has been identified as ongoing nation by

1365
01:38:57,315 --> 01:39:03,469
the Terra festival of crafts. The paisley lcbo air conditioning

1366
01:39:03,469 --> 01:39:09,815
replacement. That identifies through our conversations with the LCBO and

1367
01:39:09,815 --> 01:39:14,764
our negotiations that it's over 20 years old. The Paisley

1368
01:39:14,764 --> 01:39:19,725
town hall bell tower repair. The screen that keeps the

1369
01:39:19,725 --> 01:39:23,245
birds out has fallen down. And because of how you

1370
01:39:23,245 --> 01:39:27,402
get up into that. It's a liability. And we're not

1371
01:39:27,402 --> 01:39:30,042
supposed to have anybody go up through the building. So

1372
01:39:30,042 --> 01:39:31,962
we would have to get a man left in and

1373
01:39:31,962 --> 01:39:36,362
somebody qualified to do that. The chapel pool. Mechanical work.

1374
01:39:36,362 --> 01:39:40,484
I am very hopeful that. $65,000 is a high amount

1375
01:39:40,484 --> 01:39:42,324
I had a couple of contractors need to look at.

1376
01:39:42,324 --> 01:39:45,124
It. And they said due to the age, the configuration.

1377
01:39:46,714 --> 01:39:49,507
We just don't know. What we're going to get into.

1378
01:39:49,507 --> 01:39:53,920
We're trying to find. So that's just kind of a

1379
01:39:53,920 --> 01:39:57,680
base point. Hopefully it comes in less DC renal flat.

1380
01:39:57,680 --> 01:40:04,733
Roof is over the community hall. And. It's been patched

1381
01:40:04,733 --> 01:40:09,880
probably ten times. In my span here, so it's new

1382
01:40:09,880 --> 01:40:16,083
for a placement, the terrarina roof. Has experienced leaks this

1383
01:40:16,083 --> 01:40:19,403
summer and fall. I do believe it can be repaired

1384
01:40:19,403 --> 01:40:24,077
because. That would be a little 15 years old. And

1385
01:40:24,077 --> 01:40:25,917
the cereal pool doesn't have a tot dog, so a

1386
01:40:25,917 --> 01:40:29,357
tot dock is. Just essentially a little dock that sits

1387
01:40:29,357 --> 01:40:33,117
in the water so that the low guys can stand

1388
01:40:33,117 --> 01:40:37,804
in. The water and not. Thank you very much for

1389
01:40:37,804 --> 01:40:45,764
that. Okay, true. You, Mayor Carly. The arena sound system.

1390
01:40:47,446 --> 01:40:49,406
Is it going to improve the sound? The sound? Sound

1391
01:40:49,406 --> 01:40:56,258
of terrorist is not good. So this would be the

1392
01:40:56,258 --> 01:40:59,830
internal components that are in the office. It doesn't include

1393
01:40:59,830 --> 01:41:02,790
any speakers or so it's not going to go out

1394
01:41:02,790 --> 01:41:05,310
through the kerneling club. They don't go everywhere that it

1395
01:41:05,310 --> 01:41:07,630
goes right now, so it does. Go through the ground

1396
01:41:07,630 --> 01:41:09,830
club, through the hall to the arena, or you can

1397
01:41:09,830 --> 01:41:12,630
divide it up, but. It's not changing the speakers that

1398
01:41:12,630 --> 01:41:17,514
are. In each room. Okay. I hear you. And one

1399
01:41:17,514 --> 01:41:25,384
other thing. I noticed you had deferred. The basketball.

1400
01:41:31,208 --> 01:41:34,841
Now that was to hurt a year ago. So I

1401
01:41:34,841 --> 01:41:41,752
don't think we should defer it again. Personally. Okay. And

1402
01:41:41,752 --> 01:41:44,854
I actually had a discussion with. A pair of Flashpad

1403
01:41:44,854 --> 01:41:47,134
committee and they had a little bit of muddy left

1404
01:41:47,134 --> 01:41:50,894
over after they finished their shade shelter project, and they

1405
01:41:50,894 --> 01:41:53,654
would like to donate stuff on the additional funds that

1406
01:41:53,654 --> 01:41:58,174
we're fundraising to that project. Okay, great. So that will

1407
01:41:58,174 --> 01:42:03,080
be probably included in the next round. Of discussion. Councilor

1408
01:42:03,080 --> 01:42:12,511
Penner, then Shaw. Thank you. Jim. Mentioned greenies, but I

1409
01:42:12,511 --> 01:42:16,976
understand. From photos that I saw. There's a little structural

1410
01:42:16,976 --> 01:42:21,201
problem. Is that included in the $10,000? No, it is

1411
01:42:21,201 --> 01:42:23,481
not. So adults and the building. Officials, they go up

1412
01:42:23,481 --> 01:42:26,641
to the bell tower to take a look at it.

1413
01:42:26,641 --> 01:42:28,881
The ventures that were shown from somebody who went up

1414
01:42:28,881 --> 01:42:31,401
there that showed them enough. There were these same pictures

1415
01:42:31,401 --> 01:42:36,919
that the engineer took in 2016 and then. In 2017.

1416
01:42:36,919 --> 01:42:39,759
I want to say we did have somebody go up,

1417
01:42:39,759 --> 01:42:43,298
remember? When the bell town was rebased, they did do

1418
01:42:43,298 --> 01:42:46,058
structural work and went over top of over there, so.

1419
01:42:47,696 --> 01:42:50,296
The surface is actually not in bad shape. It's just

1420
01:42:50,296 --> 01:42:54,756
the burns are getting in. Okay. Yes, they are so.

1421
01:42:57,502 --> 01:43:00,349
Those. Voters are the ones that got sent to you

1422
01:43:00,349 --> 01:43:03,549
and me where this were of today, but they're the

1423
01:43:03,549 --> 01:43:07,349
exact same. Falling within the your important home city. It's

1424
01:43:07,349 --> 01:43:14,206
actually me. Okay, so. That's all fine. There's a structure

1425
01:43:14,206 --> 01:43:18,688
found. And I mean, when the contractor goes up, I

1426
01:43:18,688 --> 01:43:20,968
will have them verify that. But from what we've seen.

1427
01:43:22,750 --> 01:43:27,759
It looks. Exactly. There was. Some other concerns with the

1428
01:43:27,759 --> 01:43:33,521
region. Right at the entrance. This was not raspberry. The

1429
01:43:33,521 --> 01:43:35,801
grant. That wood was really soft right when you step

1430
01:43:35,801 --> 01:43:38,681
into the door under the mat, so. I think that

1431
01:43:38,681 --> 01:43:45,173
was a different. It was an already. Concerned both power

1432
01:43:45,173 --> 01:43:55,129
and washing, right? Now, my question

1433
01:43:55,129 --> 01:43:58,449
was, actually, you kind of start to allude to this,

1434
01:43:58,449 --> 01:44:03,070
so. Has this lick and have conversations been had with

1435
01:44:03,070 --> 01:44:08,179
the community groups that. Are perhaps interested in fundraising for

1436
01:44:08,179 --> 01:44:15,853
some of these items. And have you met with. Some

1437
01:44:15,853 --> 01:44:19,291
of our. I really haven't at this point. I know

1438
01:44:19,291 --> 01:44:22,491
the kids on public trustee is still fundraising. For their

1439
01:44:22,491 --> 01:44:24,291
so I don't anticipate that they're going to be taking.

1440
01:44:30,057 --> 01:44:33,347
On a lot of projects. Now, having said that, Councilor

1441
01:44:33,347 --> 01:44:37,027
Hampton reached out and the Chess Lady island rehab project,

1442
01:44:37,027 --> 01:44:40,872
he was hoping that it would not give. Him club.

1443
01:44:40,872 --> 01:44:43,672
We're hoping to do something with the old pad that's

1444
01:44:43,672 --> 01:44:46,712
down at. The pavilion. So they might take on that

1445
01:44:46,712 --> 01:44:51,515
project in 2025, but they're not sure. Yet. Regarding the

1446
01:44:51,515 --> 01:44:55,155
Terrace side committee, and they have shown interest in putting

1447
01:44:55,155 --> 01:44:58,115
a basketball project. I haven't. Reached out to the Tara

1448
01:44:58,115 --> 01:45:02,679
Robert club or. What is that for? Carlin service. Well,

1449
01:45:02,679 --> 01:45:08,513
just if there was any interest in helping fundraise. Or

1450
01:45:08,513 --> 01:45:17,969
recreation project. Yeah. I guess just involved. To our

1451
01:45:17,969 --> 01:45:24,306
last conversation. To the homecoming funds from Gateway. And if

1452
01:45:24,306 --> 01:45:29,220
there's a project that. We're going to. Be that they're

1453
01:45:29,220 --> 01:45:32,340
going to be undertaking that we need to be aware

1454
01:45:32,340 --> 01:45:34,340
of. So I did have a meeting with that group

1455
01:45:34,340 --> 01:45:38,180
last week, and they don't have any official plans. The

1456
01:45:38,180 --> 01:45:41,620
directions that they're heading is towards fundraising for replacement of

1457
01:45:41,620 --> 01:45:46,862
legaround equipment lately down at the ball diamond now. They

1458
01:45:46,862 --> 01:45:49,742
didn't give me an official amount of how much they

1459
01:45:49,742 --> 01:45:55,688
had, so we kind of started the conversation. Of. Here

1460
01:45:55,688 --> 01:45:58,048
are some samples of what you could look for. We'll

1461
01:45:58,048 --> 01:46:01,008
get some pricing and the training. Sort of. I don't

1462
01:46:01,008 --> 01:46:05,946
know if it'll happen that quickly or not. Thank you,

1463
01:46:05,946 --> 01:46:13,475
council. The tariff pool. Tote dock, hot dock.

1464
01:46:16,094 --> 01:46:18,814
What is that? It's just a little platform that sits

1465
01:46:18,814 --> 01:46:21,574
in the shallow end of the. Pool and then so

1466
01:46:21,574 --> 01:46:24,094
the three and four year olds that they can't quite

1467
01:46:24,094 --> 01:46:26,174
touch the bottom. We put them on the cot dock

1468
01:46:26,174 --> 01:46:28,254
and then nobody has to hold them. And it needs

1469
01:46:28,254 --> 01:46:32,163
to be repaired. We don't have one. And the other

1470
01:46:32,163 --> 01:46:36,843
thing you are going ahead with the awnings? They have

1471
01:46:36,843 --> 01:46:43,942
been purchased during the offer. Perfect. Thank you, Councillor Styker.

1472
01:46:43,942 --> 01:46:46,622
Maybe it's a little more information. Why Ellenford Baldam? And

1473
01:46:46,622 --> 01:46:52,041
length deferred. I thought, what a great idea. Why are

1474
01:46:52,041 --> 01:46:58,052
we. Just based on the amount of budget money we

1475
01:46:58,052 --> 01:47:02,538
have and their lightnings are still operational. I was aware

1476
01:47:02,538 --> 01:47:11,881
of that. Concern. I like that one. Moved up.

1477
01:47:15,300 --> 01:47:19,220
Debbie. Mayor Shaw, Councillor Ben. Yeah, second, that was one.

1478
01:47:19,220 --> 01:47:21,460
I was going to ask the other two. Because when

1479
01:47:21,460 --> 01:47:23,740
they were at the opening in the summer, I think

1480
01:47:23,740 --> 01:47:30,770
that one was great to me. As well. As an

1481
01:47:30,770 --> 01:47:36,746
opportunity. High priority. Thank you, mayor. Councillor. Better. Thank you.

1482
01:47:38,207 --> 01:47:41,537
For that. Just getting back to the region again. The

1483
01:47:41,537 --> 01:47:44,617
screen is not important. But the concert in the floor.

1484
01:47:47,655 --> 01:47:49,535
Just to be sure that this is not something that

1485
01:47:49,535 --> 01:47:52,095
will get worse over time. And it will. Cost us

1486
01:47:52,095 --> 01:47:57,918
more. When. You hear it now? It's separate from the

1487
01:47:57,918 --> 01:47:59,438
documents, right? I mean, this may not be quite a

1488
01:47:59,438 --> 01:48:03,683
huge difference. I'm just worried that. Become a safe nazis

1489
01:48:03,683 --> 01:48:05,963
because I keep it on our rubber map, which may

1490
01:48:05,963 --> 01:48:09,963
increase the moisture area. And just that this may have

1491
01:48:09,963 --> 01:48:14,247
to be fixed before the seminar. From Carly to Carly.

1492
01:48:20,261 --> 01:48:20,461
Christine.

1493
01:48:33,172 --> 01:48:35,652
I'll look to her, Theo, for that. Do we need

1494
01:48:35,652 --> 01:48:37,972
to officially have that direction from. Councillor to look into

1495
01:48:37,972 --> 01:48:47,814
that. Well, contraction from Councillor be

1496
01:48:47,814 --> 01:48:57,184
that we look into. Contacting Paisley Legion. Staff in regard

1497
01:48:57,184 --> 01:49:05,343
to. Building concern. Yeah. To me. They already spoke to

1498
01:49:05,343 --> 01:49:10,099
me. That's why I'm so concerned about it. Right. Somebody

1499
01:49:10,099 --> 01:49:14,189
spoke to me that. I don't know how to look

1500
01:49:14,189 --> 01:49:24,147
at it. So to confirm it. Yes, councillor directed.

1501
01:49:26,295 --> 01:49:30,895
The reparation manager to contact Azalen staff regarding building concerns.

1502
01:49:30,895 --> 01:49:32,975
This page is paid to leave and staff the correct.

1503
01:49:35,215 --> 01:49:37,935
Yeah, that won't be all existed, I think. I'm not

1504
01:49:37,935 --> 01:49:46,966
sure who the members. Do billing concerns. Is that okay?

1505
01:49:48,825 --> 01:49:55,825
And that will be added to. Our 501 motion that

1506
01:49:55,825 --> 01:49:59,904
we will read out once we are done. Our thorough

1507
01:49:59,904 --> 01:50:05,302
look into budget. I think we're good for that. And

1508
01:50:05,302 --> 01:50:08,588
we're okay with that right now. So back to you,

1509
01:50:08,588 --> 01:50:16,431
David. And does everyone keep going or have a little

1510
01:50:16,431 --> 01:50:22,242
break? Keep going. We'll keep going and keep going. Thank

1511
01:50:22,242 --> 01:50:26,154
you. In that last session on recreation was exactly what

1512
01:50:26,154 --> 01:50:28,989
we're looking for. Maybe try to bring a deferred one

1513
01:50:28,989 --> 01:50:30,909
up and see if we can fit things in. And

1514
01:50:30,909 --> 01:50:33,629
here's why they're important to you. So thank you. The

1515
01:50:33,629 --> 01:50:36,949
next one is. Health services, two projects to be funded

1516
01:50:36,949 --> 01:50:40,829
by the cemetery trust fund. Senatory trust fund has a

1517
01:50:40,829 --> 01:50:45,199
lot of rules and regulations around it. Perpetuity is a

1518
01:50:45,199 --> 01:50:51,018
very, very long time. So we had $600,000. In the

1519
01:50:51,018 --> 01:50:55,658
cemetery trucks funds. And with this very limited rules about

1520
01:50:55,658 --> 01:50:57,418
how you can ever spend it. One of them would

1521
01:50:57,418 --> 01:51:01,058
be to increase the land to expand the terra cemetery,

1522
01:51:01,058 --> 01:51:04,858
and that's. Why we put that project in here. 174,700.

1523
01:51:06,818 --> 01:51:09,218
And then the second one is Jesse cemetery surveying, so

1524
01:51:09,218 --> 01:51:11,458
we can use extra space for both sides. So those

1525
01:51:11,458 --> 01:51:14,738
two fall in the rules and regulations you can use

1526
01:51:14,738 --> 01:51:17,968
that money for. And we believe these projects are needed.

1527
01:51:19,511 --> 01:51:21,871
To do the now for the future. And I'll just

1528
01:51:21,871 --> 01:51:24,431
pause and if you want any. More Christine can answer

1529
01:51:24,431 --> 01:51:32,445
detail. From christine's questions, too. Christine? Councillor Benner? Yes. We

1530
01:51:32,445 --> 01:51:39,743
had. A. Tier that wanted to establish a deemedary. Natural

1531
01:51:39,743 --> 01:51:43,103
senatorial ground. I was wondering if the surveillance, I should

1532
01:51:43,103 --> 01:51:52,430
say, would be included. Project unto itself.

1533
01:51:53,680 --> 01:51:57,157
And we would have to. Use the peer maintenance onto

1534
01:51:57,157 --> 01:52:01,391
the tape cemetery for that. We can only use the

1535
01:52:01,391 --> 01:52:06,546
funds for me to open. Very specific limitations that the

1536
01:52:06,546 --> 01:52:09,386
reason I'm very much terry puts on basically a project

1537
01:52:09,386 --> 01:52:12,306
has to be done, and then you can apply to

1538
01:52:12,306 --> 01:52:17,071
get your fund that. We have to go. The terror

1539
01:52:17,071 --> 01:52:20,366
expansion. Get the vote, but you have to be allowed.

1540
01:52:25,955 --> 01:52:29,475
Because they're perpetuating. Right. So it's there to maintain that

1541
01:52:29,475 --> 01:52:33,322
cemetery. Each project would have to be for its term.

1542
01:52:33,322 --> 01:52:38,453
It's only separate. And the other thing is. Basically. I

1543
01:52:38,453 --> 01:52:39,853
know everything does. We have to get the survey down

1544
01:52:39,853 --> 01:52:41,693
and we have to kind of. Make sure that it's

1545
01:52:41,693 --> 01:52:44,133
suitable. We'd have to have an engineer that we have.

1546
01:52:44,133 --> 01:52:47,988
Right now for this. To make sure it's suitable in

1547
01:52:47,988 --> 01:52:53,585
the burial crowd. That's our first ever. Going back by

1548
01:52:53,585 --> 01:52:57,100
Judea. But does it come out of that problem? That's

1549
01:52:57,100 --> 01:52:59,460
a different time to come by, Erica. Hog is on

1550
01:52:59,460 --> 01:53:02,140
separate popular pages down here, so we decided to do

1551
01:53:02,140 --> 01:53:05,420
natural barrels at the top. Of the PNC cemetery, it

1552
01:53:05,420 --> 01:53:13,061
would come up. That cemetery, but it can't. Be. If

1553
01:53:13,061 --> 01:53:17,385
we're able to apply for it. Sounds good. And then

1554
01:53:17,385 --> 01:53:19,985
that would also be because that was the only. So

1555
01:53:19,985 --> 01:53:21,705
that will put me. Down in a day that day,

1556
01:53:21,705 --> 01:53:25,551
because it only comes from that. I can run off

1557
01:53:25,551 --> 01:53:35,310
the information from. Ontario. Thank you.

1558
01:53:36,739 --> 01:53:41,074
Very much. Other questions regarding health services. We have 4

1559
01:53:41,074 --> 01:53:44,474
million reserve and it's meant to be used for ongoing.

1560
01:53:49,736 --> 01:53:54,656
Capital maintenance as well as potential replacements in the future.

1561
01:53:55,928 --> 01:53:59,023
So. There are several projects that Scott has come up

1562
01:53:59,023 --> 01:54:03,223
with for the year 2025 that add up. To 653,000.

1563
01:54:05,160 --> 01:54:09,119
Reliance. Decisions that we're open to any Councillor. Questions on

1564
01:54:09,119 --> 01:54:09,279
sewer.

1565
01:54:16,704 --> 01:54:26,064
Participated in the open line last Tuesday. And.

1566
01:54:27,322 --> 01:54:32,532
With that? The future. Upgrade to our Paisley plan. Could

1567
01:54:32,532 --> 01:54:36,972
you elaborate for everybody how you see it the next

1568
01:54:36,972 --> 01:54:41,136
510 years? Kind of penny is in regards to Paisley?

1569
01:54:42,867 --> 01:54:48,539
Sure, so. Basically, we actually have some money. In the

1570
01:54:48,539 --> 01:54:58,246
10,000 for. The. Suit plan, capacity study. And I think

1571
01:54:58,246 --> 01:55:02,246
the last Councillor meeting we put through that we're applying

1572
01:55:02,246 --> 01:55:08,716
for funds. To look at that, expand that plan. Water

1573
01:55:08,716 --> 01:55:10,636
isn't an issue. Of course people won't willing to pay

1574
01:55:10,636 --> 01:55:15,076
at this present. Time, but our stewards plan based on

1575
01:55:15,076 --> 01:55:20,764
infill loss and potential subdivisions. Is getting near its capacity.

1576
01:55:22,341 --> 01:55:28,272
So based on that study, We're looking at seeing what

1577
01:55:28,272 --> 01:55:32,592
we can do with the existing plan to optimize. It

1578
01:55:32,592 --> 01:55:35,744
for treatment. All right, well, thank you very much for

1579
01:55:35,744 --> 01:55:41,780
that update. Other questions. Well, I think we're then heading

1580
01:55:41,780 --> 01:55:51,251
to water. We have $8 million. Reserve. And again, we

1581
01:55:51,251 --> 01:55:56,632
rely on my colleagues. Got to list the projects for

1582
01:55:56,632 --> 01:56:00,952
the upcoming year that had up to $830,000. So again,

1583
01:56:00,952 --> 01:56:03,872
if you have any questions on why projects, we've got

1584
01:56:03,872 --> 01:56:08,520
tables for 2025. Deputy mayor, followed by Councillor Stein.

1585
01:56:18,940 --> 01:56:22,060
Would this be a part of pre qualified for development

1586
01:56:22,060 --> 01:56:31,163
charges, or is it potentially. Listening to new capacity. Because

1587
01:56:31,163 --> 01:56:34,337
we're replacing a lot, right? I don't think it would.

1588
01:56:35,359 --> 01:56:40,860
Because we're maintained. Replacing existing well. I would make no

1589
01:56:40,860 --> 01:56:42,540
goal when it was in the sewer and it's in

1590
01:56:42,540 --> 01:56:44,500
the water. And you see it going forward here in

1591
01:56:44,500 --> 01:56:51,816
the storm. We try and do a street job a

1592
01:56:51,816 --> 01:56:56,259
year with inter municipality. Last year was Francis street. This

1593
01:56:56,259 --> 01:57:02,718
year. In Chesa, here at the third street southwest. Basically

1594
01:57:02,718 --> 01:57:08,630
headed west of the. Street. And we're looking at the

1595
01:57:08,630 --> 01:57:11,870
three different entities to help cover those costs. But you're.

1596
01:57:11,870 --> 01:57:21,064
Close to a million. For about. Follow up. Yeah.

1597
01:57:25,007 --> 01:57:28,652
With larger names and stuff. I would have to review.

1598
01:57:31,620 --> 01:57:33,900
Some of the pipes will be larger and different components.

1599
01:57:33,900 --> 01:57:38,054
I wouldn't say on everything. That would like your question

1600
01:57:38,054 --> 01:57:47,559
mark for instrumental. Thank you. Mayor David I heard you

1601
01:57:47,559 --> 01:57:50,559
say we have enough reserves to cover all these projects.

1602
01:57:54,118 --> 01:57:56,718
Did you and the budget include money to go back

1603
01:57:56,718 --> 01:58:03,266
into that reserve? That's part of that 7%. Where the

1604
01:58:03,266 --> 01:58:09,730
budget is. Am I wrong or not? Three of us

1605
01:58:09,730 --> 01:58:13,370
demar every year. We collect money. For what? From usage

1606
01:58:13,370 --> 01:58:17,717
of water. And there's more money that we collect than

1607
01:58:17,717 --> 01:58:20,877
we have for operational expenses. Okay, that goes. Into the

1608
01:58:20,877 --> 01:58:25,127
capital. Okay, so that goes into. Offset what we spend.

1609
01:58:27,384 --> 01:58:30,759
Yes. Okay. Some use will spend more and some years

1610
01:58:30,759 --> 01:58:33,399
will spend less. That's the nature of these large projects.

1611
01:58:34,957 --> 01:58:39,738
Yeah, just to follow up. As I scroll through and

1612
01:58:39,738 --> 01:58:45,058
saw the 7%. Now, if you include. Maybe this is

1613
01:58:45,058 --> 01:58:47,178
not the time for the question, but I'll never. Ask

1614
01:58:47,178 --> 01:58:51,446
it anyway. Did you include anything that we deferred as

1615
01:58:51,446 --> 01:58:57,598
a possible go ahead? Or you took that out. Does

1616
01:58:57,598 --> 01:59:02,067
that make any sense? Sorry. No, that's me. It does

1617
01:59:02,067 --> 01:59:08,175
make sense. So how can I rephrase this? In the

1618
01:59:08,175 --> 01:59:10,855
7% that we're going to need to do all these

1619
01:59:10,855 --> 01:59:17,938
projects. Did you? Leave in what was deferred. Or not

1620
01:59:17,938 --> 01:59:23,955
prioritized. In the budget, which includes the 7% tax increase.

1621
01:59:23,955 --> 01:59:27,635
There's enough capital projects to do. The priority projects. The

1622
01:59:27,635 --> 01:59:34,664
priority, not the one. You want to do more of

1623
01:59:34,664 --> 01:59:37,704
the deferred ones, you need to have 810 percent. Okay.

1624
01:59:37,704 --> 01:59:42,630
That's all I wanted. Sorry I was so vague. But

1625
01:59:42,630 --> 01:59:44,950
I'd also like to add in regards to talking about

1626
01:59:44,950 --> 01:59:53,083
water right now. That's separate, correct? So that won't have

1627
01:59:53,083 --> 01:59:59,332
any impact. On general taxation rate, correct. That's from our

1628
01:59:59,332 --> 02:00:04,758
water users. Are payers and that's right. If we're done

1629
02:00:04,758 --> 02:00:13,242
with council. Councilor. The last item we received. Warning. What

1630
02:00:13,242 --> 02:00:20,164
is it? It's only $7,500 there. Yeah, it's just for

1631
02:00:20,164 --> 02:00:26,683
engineering for proposal. Next year's project. So we would do

1632
02:00:26,683 --> 02:00:28,883
the engineering on that speed, and then it would be

1633
02:00:28,883 --> 02:00:31,403
the big capital project that would take place next year.

1634
02:00:33,504 --> 02:00:42,985
And this Victoria street between. Inkerman and. Row. Satisfaction. Yeah.

1635
02:00:42,985 --> 02:00:45,625
Okay. It would be the big water sewer capital next

1636
02:00:45,625 --> 02:00:47,545
year, so we put a bid in. For planning and

1637
02:00:47,545 --> 02:00:54,029
budget. Thank you. I don't know. For Darian, my question

1638
02:00:54,029 --> 02:00:59,939
about the stormwater study. I thought that was in this

1639
02:00:59,939 --> 02:01:04,376
year's budget to be deferred. So. Yeah, let's jump in

1640
02:01:04,376 --> 02:01:10,108
there. I think we're good with. Perfect segue. We're segwaying

1641
02:01:10,108 --> 02:01:19,876
in, and we'll start with David. Maybe I'll just. It

1642
02:01:19,876 --> 02:01:25,924
didn't get completed yet. It needs to be completed. Because,

1643
02:01:25,924 --> 02:01:30,504
as you see, About three over nine is taxpayer dollars.

1644
02:01:32,048 --> 02:01:35,114
So go towards that street. Does that answer your question?

1645
02:01:37,353 --> 02:01:41,185
Yes. I thought we were ready this year. We haven't

1646
02:01:41,185 --> 02:01:46,688
seen anything. So that explains it. Yeah. So good. Segue.

1647
02:01:46,688 --> 02:01:50,568
Storm, as Scott said, is not covered by the water

1648
02:01:50,568 --> 02:01:54,816
and sewer reserves. So this is taxpayer money. So when

1649
02:01:54,816 --> 02:01:59,256
you do a pro check that includes the water, sewer

1650
02:01:59,256 --> 02:02:03,756
and the storm. Water and sewer can component can be

1651
02:02:03,756 --> 02:02:07,219
taken from those reserves, but not the storm. So this

1652
02:02:07,219 --> 02:02:10,579
is a big donor number that we're recommending be part

1653
02:02:10,579 --> 02:02:19,806
of that 2025. Capital projects. Questions on start. I'm just

1654
02:02:19,806 --> 02:02:22,646
a little bit unclear. So we approved it in 2024.

1655
02:02:22,646 --> 02:02:27,268
It didn't. Happen. And it's the same number. For stormwater

1656
02:02:27,268 --> 02:02:30,225
study. I'll go back and clarify. The request that deputy

1657
02:02:30,225 --> 02:02:32,425
mayor Shah had said. What happened to 24 money? Is

1658
02:02:32,425 --> 02:02:34,945
this additional or is this just pushed forward. I'll clarify

1659
02:02:34,945 --> 02:02:41,602
that. We've only been presenting additional money this morning. I'll

1660
02:02:41,602 --> 02:02:48,984
clarify. I think we're good for storm. Well. 37 operating.

1661
02:02:50,557 --> 02:02:53,597
Yes, we can. So just to summarize, all that capital

1662
02:02:53,597 --> 02:02:56,077
that we get good input today. I'll come back. I'll

1663
02:02:56,077 --> 02:02:59,208
try to make it a little more clear. We've got

1664
02:02:59,208 --> 02:03:02,008
these pools of money that we can use and can't

1665
02:03:02,008 --> 02:03:05,008
use for. Certain things. And then we have these desires

1666
02:03:05,008 --> 02:03:07,168
and needs and wants, and I'll try to. Bring it

1667
02:03:07,168 --> 02:03:11,018
back. So we've got a long way today. I think

1668
02:03:11,018 --> 02:03:14,058
next step, we can bring it almost. To completion and

1669
02:03:14,058 --> 02:03:16,458
then look for the final draft or the final stat,

1670
02:03:16,458 --> 02:03:20,492
so thank you. We'll touch on operating. I'll start on

1671
02:03:20,492 --> 02:03:25,963
operating on the top of page 37. And I remind

1672
02:03:25,963 --> 02:03:30,640
everyone the Ontario provincial pleasant increase their fee. To air

1673
02:03:30,640 --> 02:03:34,520
and elderly and other municipalities across Ontario. It's a large

1674
02:03:34,520 --> 02:03:40,160
number, so their fee was 1,000,000,172, and now it's 1,000,389.

1675
02:03:40,160 --> 02:03:44,960
Or 390, and it's a $217,000 increase in an our

1676
02:03:44,960 --> 02:03:48,480
tax base. That equates to 3% increase in taxes just

1677
02:03:48,480 --> 02:03:54,898
for. You. So that's one it undercollians operating. Then we

1678
02:03:54,898 --> 02:03:59,338
have 3% union wage increase. Which was negotiated about a

1679
02:03:59,338 --> 02:04:03,858
year ago for the years 2024 and 2025. So it's.

1680
02:04:03,858 --> 02:04:10,018
Already done. And we're proposing a 3% nonunion wage increase.

1681
02:04:10,018 --> 02:04:12,458
And we have three new roles they've summarized. There's a

1682
02:04:12,458 --> 02:04:16,218
document that lists three new roles. I think you've talked

1683
02:04:16,218 --> 02:04:18,978
about them before, so I won't go into them unless

1684
02:04:18,978 --> 02:04:21,978
you have questions. I did talk a little bit about

1685
02:04:21,978 --> 02:04:25,138
how they're funded. The project manager mostly is not. Fully

1686
02:04:25,138 --> 02:04:27,291
funded by the new fire hall. Project which will charge

1687
02:04:27,291 --> 02:04:31,761
the capital because it'll run over time. And the facility

1688
02:04:31,761 --> 02:04:35,217
attendant. And we continue to increase some fees that will

1689
02:04:35,217 --> 02:04:39,457
partially offset that cost of the new facility agenda. I

1690
02:04:39,457 --> 02:04:42,017
applied 3% inflation, which was at the time when we

1691
02:04:42,017 --> 02:04:46,264
started this process. And like in 2024, the Pritch reserve

1692
02:04:46,264 --> 02:04:48,504
is required to be built up. That's still a requirement.

1693
02:04:51,199 --> 02:04:54,279
MIT membership is to end as of December 3 1st,

1694
02:04:54,279 --> 02:04:59,199
2024, resulting in savings of 19,575 that will be in

1695
02:04:59,199 --> 02:05:03,239
one of the resolutions we read at a moment. So

1696
02:05:03,239 --> 02:05:04,759
when you add all that up, looks like about a

1697
02:05:04,759 --> 02:05:08,359
7% plus increase at this point. More details will come

1698
02:05:08,359 --> 02:05:11,564
in 25th. We'll kind of work through that in. More

1699
02:05:11,564 --> 02:05:14,924
detail. Just want to give you initial update. An initial

1700
02:05:14,924 --> 02:05:19,724
estimate for Bruce county was 6.81% increase. So just a

1701
02:05:19,724 --> 02:05:22,804
little taste of operating budget, some more work to be

1702
02:05:22,804 --> 02:05:25,604
done and. I'll bring you another report on the 25th

1703
02:05:25,604 --> 02:05:31,263
on that rate. Take all your input, please. Add to

1704
02:05:31,263 --> 02:05:39,362
this if they're not under meter yet. So I'll send

1705
02:05:39,362 --> 02:05:46,885
some information on smart. Has a deficit that carry forward

1706
02:05:46,885 --> 02:05:54,594
several years from. Prior management. That they're looking. To clean

1707
02:05:54,594 --> 02:06:01,058
up this year. And there's also some capital. Reserve funding

1708
02:06:01,058 --> 02:06:08,141
gaps. So smart could potentially be. Increases more significant than

1709
02:06:08,141 --> 02:06:12,712
what we've seen over the last couple of years. And

1710
02:06:12,712 --> 02:06:17,798
Grace Auto Conservation Authority is building a new building. New

1711
02:06:17,798 --> 02:06:23,132
administration center. To meet a oda compliance, and the building

1712
02:06:23,132 --> 02:06:28,223
itself is just very bad. So I believe we will

1713
02:06:28,223 --> 02:06:33,353
have a delegation, probably. From. This view of Gsu coming.

1714
02:06:36,806 --> 02:06:40,315
They'll be. Announced. At every municipality related to that as

1715
02:06:40,315 --> 02:06:49,090
well. I'll get you more details. I appreciate that. Can

1716
02:06:49,090 --> 02:06:53,028
we go to our clerk, Christine? Just to Marshall contest.

1717
02:06:53,028 --> 02:06:58,328
We do have delegation. You will be presenting budget as

1718
02:06:58,328 --> 02:07:05,417
well as a discussion about the. Existing building. They've already

1719
02:07:05,417 --> 02:07:11,448
set up their draft budget, which. Is. Thank you very

1720
02:07:11,448 --> 02:07:21,373
much, Debbie. Mayor. Questions. I've lost track in the last

1721
02:07:21,373 --> 02:07:28,820
couple of weeks here on various OB. There's going to

1722
02:07:28,820 --> 02:07:30,820
be more information. Than I think they canceled. The more

1723
02:07:30,820 --> 02:07:35,772
information. Do we have any more information at all? More

1724
02:07:35,772 --> 02:07:39,335
hours of service. Or. More vehicles on the road, or

1725
02:07:39,335 --> 02:07:44,575
this is just quite simply an increased more information later.

1726
02:07:46,460 --> 02:07:52,312
David ladder more information lack later, okay? All right, other

1727
02:07:52,312 --> 02:08:00,430
questions? I do have a motion here. We've added a,

1728
02:08:00,430 --> 02:08:01,230
we've added the line, though.

1729
02:08:16,528 --> 02:08:18,648
Two minutes. I think we're covered. But we gave some

1730
02:08:18,648 --> 02:08:25,147
direction to staff. However, the four points here will cover

1731
02:08:25,147 --> 02:08:27,747
that. So the motion is be resolved to Councillor hereby.

1732
02:08:27,747 --> 02:08:31,867
Receive the 2025 budget draft one and number two draft

1733
02:08:31,867 --> 02:08:35,747
staff. Incorporate any comments and create the November 12, 2025.

1734
02:08:37,380 --> 02:08:41,540
Budget public meeting presentation three. Bring back the 2025 what

1735
02:08:41,540 --> 02:08:46,180
the draft to Councillor on November 25. 2024. Number four

1736
02:08:46,180 --> 02:08:51,580
acknowledge the Municipal Innovation Committee membership to end December 31,

1737
02:08:51,580 --> 02:08:57,295
2024. Mover inside of your hand on the floor. Debbie

1738
02:08:57,295 --> 02:09:03,220
mershaw and. See those. All those in favor?

1739
02:09:09,413 --> 02:09:13,515
Those phones that is carried. This is the time that

1740
02:09:13,515 --> 02:09:21,558
the mayor. Treasurer and the team behind all the work

1741
02:09:21,558 --> 02:09:26,002
that is being completed and. We see it all summed

1742
02:09:26,002 --> 02:09:31,907
up very neatly and tidally. Thank you. It's quite an

1743
02:09:31,907 --> 02:09:35,347
amazing document and we really appreciate it. Who is being

1744
02:09:35,347 --> 02:09:38,387
presented? So please pass along to everyone that's helping. And

1745
02:09:38,387 --> 02:09:44,131
to you, David. It's great that we have. This pre

1746
02:09:44,131 --> 02:09:48,784
team area and obviously we rely on council. We will

1747
02:09:48,784 --> 02:09:54,366
head to. Five one, two, which is SrFin 20 418

1748
02:09:54,366 --> 02:10:01,137
2025. Budget pre approval. On page 50. And our steel.

1749
02:10:01,137 --> 02:10:03,977
Emily Dance will take us through the details and the

1750
02:10:03,977 --> 02:10:08,537
recommendation. Thank you, Mayor kennel. So what Sam is requesting

1751
02:10:08,537 --> 02:10:14,145
at this time? Is to include the 3% wage increase.

1752
02:10:15,883 --> 02:10:18,603
For the non union as well as the union staff,

1753
02:10:18,603 --> 02:10:21,883
just so that we don't have to backtrack, and then

1754
02:10:21,883 --> 02:10:24,403
we can just move forward the 1 January whether the

1755
02:10:24,403 --> 02:10:28,905
budget is passed or not. And not have to add

1756
02:10:28,905 --> 02:10:32,905
extra SAP. Time to do anything retro. As Councillor is

1757
02:10:32,905 --> 02:10:35,745
aware, the union rate is already set at 3%. So

1758
02:10:35,745 --> 02:10:38,865
it would be just basically getting the approval for the

1759
02:10:38,865 --> 02:10:46,478
3% for non union, which historically. Aaron obviously has always

1760
02:10:46,478 --> 02:10:52,524
matched. What the union contract was. And the second. Asked

1761
02:10:52,524 --> 02:10:55,844
is for the new staffing request that were just presented

1762
02:10:55,844 --> 02:11:01,449
to Councillor that we could move. Forward. With. The recruitment

1763
02:11:01,449 --> 02:11:04,578
of the project manager just because. The paid the firewall

1764
02:11:04,578 --> 02:11:07,698
Public Works building is starting to move forward with kind

1765
02:11:07,698 --> 02:11:10,498
of discussions with Dom as well as the site work.

1766
02:11:10,498 --> 02:11:13,818
So we'd like to get that project manager position. Built

1767
02:11:13,818 --> 02:11:16,378
as soon as we can so that we wouldn't have

1768
02:11:16,378 --> 02:11:20,041
to get them caught up. Thank you very much for

1769
02:11:20,041 --> 02:11:23,545
that. Council questions.

1770
02:11:32,362 --> 02:11:36,162
Or be a resolve Councillor. Hereby provide free budget rule

1771
02:11:36,162 --> 02:11:39,082
for the new part time project manager. And direct staff

1772
02:11:39,082 --> 02:11:43,710
to initiate the recruitment process. Two provide free method drill

1773
02:11:43,710 --> 02:11:48,110
for the 2025 compensation increase of 3% per union and

1774
02:11:48,110 --> 02:11:51,150
nonunion tax. We go secondary to have that on the

1775
02:11:51,150 --> 02:11:56,030
floor. Moved by Councillor Steinacar. Seconded by deputy Mayor Shah.

1776
02:11:57,480 --> 02:12:00,200
Proceed to the vote. All those in favor? Those opposed?

1777
02:12:11,520 --> 02:12:18,946
On page 52. And David. Fox view in regards to

1778
02:12:18,946 --> 02:12:24,419
highlight. Of the report. Thank you. Three. Mr. Mayor. So.

1779
02:12:26,370 --> 02:12:30,695
The 2023. Audit of our financial statements being performed by

1780
02:12:30,695 --> 02:12:34,858
video has been delayed. And I wanted to inform Councillor

1781
02:12:34,858 --> 02:12:39,018
that as well as there's going to be extra billing,

1782
02:12:39,018 --> 02:12:42,132
and there was extra billing last year. This is the

1783
02:12:42,132 --> 02:12:48,294
topic of one meeting that we had. So my job

1784
02:12:48,294 --> 02:12:50,814
was to bring it forward. Any additional billing that would

1785
02:12:50,814 --> 02:12:52,854
be coming for this year. So I wanted to share

1786
02:12:52,854 --> 02:12:55,934
that, those two items with you. So beyond it being

1787
02:12:55,934 --> 02:12:59,054
delayed, it's. In the report does cause some pain in

1788
02:12:59,054 --> 02:13:03,934
terms of grants being delayed until the financial statements are.

1789
02:13:05,463 --> 02:13:09,023
Published and received by the province. So that's one of

1790
02:13:09,023 --> 02:13:14,956
the effects of the delay. And. We're working with BDO

1791
02:13:14,956 --> 02:13:16,636
to get the audit completed as soon as we can.

1792
02:13:18,841 --> 02:13:28,581
So I'll take any questions. Like our agreement with video

1793
02:13:28,581 --> 02:13:35,756
to be like our provider for five years. In my

1794
02:13:35,756 --> 02:13:43,980
room. Appointment right now that we're doing. Christine's checking, but

1795
02:13:43,980 --> 02:13:46,940
I think three. Mr. Marica leader. It's annual, every year.

1796
02:13:46,940 --> 02:13:55,830
Praised the beginning of the year. And I kind of

1797
02:13:55,830 --> 02:13:59,754
recall seeing, like, a chart. And obviously where I'm going

1798
02:13:59,754 --> 02:14:05,855
with this. And. This is frustrating. I was very frustrated

1799
02:14:05,855 --> 02:14:09,144
to read this report. This is the second year in

1800
02:14:09,144 --> 02:14:11,944
a row, and we had, I know there was some

1801
02:14:11,944 --> 02:14:21,551
extenuating, circumstances on our last audit. But. Certainly. Appreciate. Why

1802
02:14:21,551 --> 02:14:23,511
do we have an agreement in place with them for

1803
02:14:23,511 --> 02:14:27,791
a step c per year if they can't a deliver

1804
02:14:27,791 --> 02:14:36,772
to services that. We have contracted to them. And doesn't

1805
02:14:36,772 --> 02:14:41,031
seem like they can deliver it. Within the budget either.

1806
02:14:42,972 --> 02:14:50,442
I'm quite disappointed to see this. And. I hope that

1807
02:14:50,442 --> 02:14:54,002
it's not the result of things on our side, but

1808
02:14:54,002 --> 02:14:56,602
we had some stock changes, too, that perhaps are still

1809
02:14:56,602 --> 02:15:03,152
affecting this. But. I trust that we're doing? What we

1810
02:15:03,152 --> 02:15:06,331
are meaning to from our side. That this is ultimately

1811
02:15:06,331 --> 02:15:11,736
not as a result of. Our work here, but it's

1812
02:15:11,736 --> 02:15:15,256
more a comment than a question. But feel free to

1813
02:15:15,256 --> 02:15:19,555
add. Your thoughts. Maybe I'll chime in with a question.

1814
02:15:19,555 --> 02:15:21,915
Do you see? This is happening every year. From now

1815
02:15:21,915 --> 02:15:23,715
on? Or do you see this as maybe the last

1816
02:15:23,715 --> 02:15:29,329
year? If this happened? We're just tying things up, catching

1817
02:15:29,329 --> 02:15:33,655
up. Wire under the bridge. Where you see this? Most

1818
02:15:33,655 --> 02:15:35,095
likely every year we're going to be running into this.

1819
02:15:37,021 --> 02:15:40,461
I would see where you're going with that is, I

1820
02:15:40,461 --> 02:15:47,119
would see. With myself. As the current treasurer, that it

1821
02:15:47,119 --> 02:15:48,799
would be less every year and it would be all

1822
02:15:48,799 --> 02:15:51,359
tied up. And then a new treasury would come in

1823
02:15:51,359 --> 02:15:56,122
eventually and. If there's a gap, there could be some

1824
02:15:56,122 --> 02:16:03,899
gaps. I think we need to. Plan to deliver. The

1825
02:16:03,899 --> 02:16:10,001
audited financial statements by May 31 in 2025. Because. That

1826
02:16:10,001 --> 02:16:14,775
would include. Maybe. Aaron eldersly presenting all the things they

1827
02:16:14,775 --> 02:16:19,132
need in a timely fashion. Certainly we've been timely. Every

1828
02:16:19,132 --> 02:16:20,732
time they ask for something, we give it to them,

1829
02:16:20,732 --> 02:16:23,252
but. If we could get more of a proactive approach

1830
02:16:23,252 --> 02:16:27,332
to have everything they need by whatever date. They february

1831
02:16:27,332 --> 02:16:29,732
20 eigth, and then they come back by may 31.

1832
02:16:31,535 --> 02:16:36,856
I think. It would. Require them to prioritize. Higher than

1833
02:16:36,856 --> 02:16:40,336
what we would only look at as experience and say

1834
02:16:40,336 --> 02:16:43,965
we haven't been. They may have a different opinion on

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that, but that's just what we feel, is that we

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don't seem to have the priority of allocation resources. Well,

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thank you very much for that, Christina. Shaw's question in

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2022. We pointed BDO as our external auditors for 2022

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to 2005 fiscal year. Okay. Did I see other hands

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up at all? There is a motion being resolved, Councillor,

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here by received support that's wrapped in 20 416. For

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information regarding the delay in the 2023 financial audit by

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BDO and the expected extra expense. When our secondary dabble

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on the floor, moved by. Councilor penner. Second and by

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Councillor. Sign. Proceed in the oak. All those in favor?

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All those carry. That concludes our three report. Any final

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words, David, before we get to recon? No, thank you.

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Certainly. Thank you. So.

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Move by Councillor Nicholson, seconded by. Stephanie shaw. 653 2024.

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Be introduced to red first segment, third time signed up

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Mary and Clark field. Corporation. Biological proceedings of the Special

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Councillor Meeting of the missiles of Erin Eldersley held Monday,

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November 4 2024. Discussion.

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Final adjournments. Moved by. Councilor Steinacher. Here's our

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meeting between Jared and Paul. Mayor. At. Twelve 06:00 p.m.