Follow up comes with. Eastern transfer station. So guessing way
around Orlando. Would be people bring construction grade material in
there to put in their landfill. So we could have
a designated area for a transfer station and have not,
fortunately, paid for. Technically. Yeah, technically. Councilor Nickerson.
We'll see if I have some questions. I think our
works manager, Scott McClaud. Has. One floor is yours. Thank
you. To you, Mayor Sheen. Yeah, mine's not really just.
A question you talked about. A fire and then rebuilding
the normal charges. If a person tears their house down,
build a newer house as a dental wallet charity? No.
Typically that falls under the same exemption. That that existing
residence was there using the services and has paid taxes
on those services. So you wouldn't collect a development charge
for that redevelopment of that site. Other staff members, chief
parents. So we are in a process of booking the
firehole, but in building that firehole, there will be a
bigger firehole based on future growth. So with going from
a small file into a larger file. So could some
of that money be used if you're extended in capacity?
Yes. And if you make sure when you're talking budget
wise, we plan to collect a port. Portion of this
through development chart. Thank you, other staff members. See you
then. Thank you, Mary. So similar to the fire chief
comments so even. If Councillor hadn't determined if we're going
to go forward with felt the charges. Could we, during
this budget, pass that resolution just to be safe, so
that. In the future, we go with development charges that
then any of those future costs we could recover. If
so, we may pay. For a portion of this project
through future development charges. That would be the kind of
language I would like to see in any sort of.
Resolution. Thank you very much for that. And no follow
up needed final opportunity to staff or council. Just to
confirm now. So the water, sewer. We have connection charges
on new builds. Those would be. On top of development
areas. We wouldn't lose them. Yes, typically your connection fee.
Is. Actually put that connection in. And if this is
most water wastewater feeder for a bigger pipe down. The
line or something at the plants. That's separate. I'd love
to renew it. Thank you. Thank you very much. First,
my name is. Final opportunity. Just. A very large thank
you, Lisa, for your presentation, your work, and your answers
for our questions today. Thank you for having me. And
if there's any questions that you think of. Like me
late at night. Feel free to send me an email.
I was happy to answer them. Thank you very much.
We do have. A related report from our co Ludans
here and that is 4.2 srfln 24.1 development charges, background
study on page 22 in the agenda package. Maybe we'll
just have. Are you ready to. Ready to roll? Floors
or thank you. So we did. Staff invited Lisa to
come to provide a presentation on the development targets just
to let Councillor what they are, how they can be
used and how to implement. Staff is looking for approval
to employ opportunities to raise more revenue to offset these
increased infrastructure costs. And reduce the burden of taxpayers. So
instead of having to make a full decision on the
extra one to implement. Staff is just recommending the inclusion
of the development charges. Background study in the 2025 budget.
So that decision to influence the development charge can come
after the background study in the public meeting. So that's
what staff is just looking for. Today is just to
get the background study. Within. Our 2025 budget. And then
after hearing your presentation, I also like direction that staff
look at. All our capital projects that we have in
the 2020 class budget, and we'll include a resolution. Just.
As safeguards, that it's down the road we do decide
to implement them, that the current projects, especially our fire
hall and our expansion of the wastewater and paisley. Those
are the two projects. I think right offhand that we
can hopefully see some benefit if we do the gold.
At risk. Thank you very much. Just to summarize it
online, there is resolution here. We resolve. The Councillor hereby
approves. The inclusion of the developed charges background study in
the 2025 budget. So we'll see if members of Councillor
have questions in regards to the report. Or any related
other angles with us or the council. That means it
was a great report. So we will see if there's
a move or secondary for that resolution. This morning. Moved?
By deputy Narashawa and seconded by Councillor Nicholson. Here's all.
The Councillor hereby approves inclusion of the development charges. Background
study in the 2025 budget discussion. We'll see this vote.
All those in favor? Those. Is carried. Thank you very
much. Let's. Have two three minute stretch break before. We
officially turn into that report finance. So we all have
a break.
Been there, done.
Can we just do a microphone check and see Patrick
Johnson is on with us? Pat, can you. Hear us,
okay? Yes, I can hear you. Great. And we will
now head to five one finance, page 24, which is
my one one s for. Fy N. Point 417, 2025.
Budget first look, and David Monroe, our interim treasurer, is
here with us. And David, take us through the great
news. Thank you. To you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you very
much. So just from a process point of view. Today
is our first meeting on the budget. It's draft one.
We're looking for your input. There's some preapprovals that will
follow. Next week we'll do a public meeting. We'll ask
the public for their input. They'll be a presentation available
next week. If we have the same comment, similar content
is what you're going to see today. And then on
November 25, we'll come back with draft two. Today is
mostly focused on capital, with a little bit of operating
near the end. And I hope to get through some
of the capital today, and then by the November 25,
we'll come. Back and probably finalize most of the capital,
and we'll bring you all the details. On operating on
the 25th, and then by December 9, hopefully we can
finalize it. For both for the budget. And if not,
it'll split into January. So again, we're looking for your
input. Interrupt anytime, ask questions. I'll just give you a
brief. Overview of some of these things. I want to
thank my colleagues who've helped very much. In the budget
and they can answer all the hard questions. And they
know all the answers. Today we're going to, again, focus
on capital. We're going to talk about the Pacey fire
hall. We're going to talk about how to fund it.
And that probably be a big part of the money
side. Then we're going to look at the list of
all the different capital projects that we brought together, and
it was a long list. So we went back and
asked each department to prioritize the list to give you
guys a chance to get a sense of what we're
looking at. Some, maybe fall on some prior year where
we have to add more money, like if we bought
the chassis for a truck, and now we have to
buy the rest of the truck this year. That's be
one explanation why it's priority. Or maybe it's a priority.
That you need fixing urgently. But you guys could. List
decision makers to test which ones we want and which
ones we can defer to in future period. Okay. So,
with that said, I think I'll get into it a
little bit. The first page has the background and the
funds available, and we get funds from reserves, which we
collect over the prior year our 2025 tax revenue, 2025
user fees, and 2025 grand that's where we get our
revenues from. And I've got an exact number there. $1.3
million. Almost 1.3 available for the 2025 operating budget to
fund capital projects. And that's. Similar to the prior year.
We have about 1.2 million to do capital projects, and
then we have another 837,000. Available from Ontario Community Infrastructure
Fund. And every year we spend that, usually on the
roads and sewers and water. Sorry. Excuse me. Roads and
bridges and. Anything to do with infrastructure. Hence the name.
I've got appendix of all details in terms of dollars.
Is pretty detailed, but I'm going to go through each
by department. That's okay. So we'll start with the need.
If you want it, we'll get warmed up. With general.
Okay, so. There's three projects and we can talk a
bit. Further if you need to, but the first project
is for $9,000 for a one. Time upgrade of screens
and sound system in the Councillor chambers. It's going to
be funded from the office equipment reserve where we had
enough money to pay for it. The next one is
similar. It's going to be ongoing. Regular replacement of the
laptop. So after laptops get three or four years old.
They tired? They can. Software can't support them. The battery
isn't as good as. It used to be, et cetera.
So every three or four years, we're on schedule. To
replace some of them, and it's been pretty regular. We
did four or five this. Year. And then the last
one for 7500 is engineering standards. One time project that
needs to be funded. When I say needs to be
funded, we need to fund it from probably the taxpayer
for the taxpayer. At 1.2 million that I mentioned earlier.
Okay. General, any questions on those three? Capital project Councillor
Benner. Are we doing, Councillor? State the screen, the sound
system. I thought this is why. Christine. So we are
going to upgrade our account system here because, as you
know, we have some issues. With the public listing. So
what we want to do is. Write your screen. In
our. Owl that move downstairs to a proper committee room
that will have set up so that if we have
a Councillor meeting here. Somebody have meeting upstairs. They still
have owls. They can sell a team's. Meeting, and then
we'll have a better chance to come up here so
the policy. Is not going to be an Allison. No,
it's still be an hour. Okay. Thanks for.
Talking. Thank you. It's going to be reused and repurposed
downstairs. I'll have to move. Here. Thank you. Thank you
very much. I just need a little bit more information
on engineering standards. I'm just not quite clear my mind
exactly what it is. Yeah. So me and Polly have
an engineering standard for their roadways. And. Water, sewer lines,
storm sewer lines. It's a complete standard. So if you're
doing a subdivision. Or if you're doing redoing a new
role, you follow those standards. Not only for tendering, but
also for. Like I said, for. Subdivision. Okay, I guess
I should rephrase that. I'm familiar with that. We're required
to put $3,500 for upgrades updates to have more work
done. We don't have one. We don't have one. Okay,
next. Okay, so that's general. That's okay. Well, the next
one is the big one, so. We have a project
called Paisley Fire hall and Public works construction of their
buildings. And on page. Well, what's label is 26 is
the estimated total cost. So we opened up. The different
RFP responses for the building to remember. And Dom construction
is the one that won. It was 2,740,000. 2,740,000. On
top of that is, we have nondrecoverable HST. We can
recharge us the full HST, we get to reclaim both
of it back. But on a project, this thing, it
really does. That absolute bar, as I pointed out, and
then. We have. This additional one called site preparation, and
it's estimated to be 1,308,000. But we are going through
a process through our fee together. A better number there
once we get some bids back. And then. Just to
go through last few steps. 10,000 for landscaping. Standby generator
compressor. This is. Everything we need to have, including contingency.
Do you have a complete firearm at $5.1 million? So
we'll look for. Questions. Cut small daily compressors. With. What
would that be for? The compressor. So that's the compressor,
the oil fill and cascade. System. So right now, in
here, in Elsie, on all three stations, We don't have
a compressor, so some of the bottles go to Bruce
power, some of the models go to Elmwood. Some of
the bottles go to Sagi and shores. Where it needs
a bit of a problem. Further be. Problem in my
eyes is that if it's going to bruise, power to
be filled. We have to wait till one of the
firefighters is on shifter. First of all, they carry. A
bunch of high pressure bottles and they still have 2000
psi in them in their personal vehicles. The second part
is we don't have as many full bottles as we
need, so two. Parts of that. The guys don't train
as much as they should with StBAs, because they don't.
Want to use the air because they know that I
could have been a pill graduate and. They don't want
to leave themselves vulnerable in case they have a fire
or an issue. So in looking at that and building
a new call, what we want to do is compress.
The system and that meets the needs of all three
stations so that we can fill them on. Site. There's
a couple of things. The big one is obviously traveling
in personal vehicles and carrying high pressure filters. That's not
the best. And then waiting to have them filled with
maybe three, four or five days to get them filled.
So that's the other part. So what? We're building the
station. We want to. Go ahead with compressor station, and
then that way we're looking after our own tanks when
we need them. And in the event of a larger
scale incident, we can designate someone to go. Fill levels
and then bring them back as well. We used to
use cruise power. Their airlord system. They shifted down on
their manpower now, so they're finding harder and harder to
bring that air out of here's power. So, again, that's
another consider. That we have. If we have this system
set up in this. If I hold other municipalities, maybe.
Want to use it. For the most part, most municipalities
have progresses. I was actually shocked when I came here,
that we did not compression, that we didn't fill our
own bottles. And then the other one is a standby
generator. How they. Passed. Sorry. Through America. So that's working
on the size that we require, what we do. Require.
Just this will be an emergency operation set up for
alternate to here. We do need it. That we can
still function, both facilities, whether that's public works and ourselves,
at full capacity. We don't want to reduce size, so
packs online. Maybe he can answer that. But in speaking
with other municip. Municipalities. The $100,000 range seems to be
close to where we would be. That's a rough number,
obviously, but we are looking for a generator that does
allow us. To. Blow up a mountain. We're involved in
these down by generators a lot. Of. Tree. Standalone
or housing. Is quite high on them, and one we're
using, summers narrative is one of the best. We should
check into that a little further. And in consultation with
Pat, we certainly will be doing that. That's not a
fixed number. By any means. That's a budgetary number to
make sure that we do have enough. To meet the
needs of putting it in, but we're certainly going to
see what we need precise. Whatever size that may be
and then source on what would be the best option.
And also with consultation with Don as well to find
out what are the files I've been putting in as
far as Walmart. Thank you. And Chief Sharon did make
a reference to our chief billing official, Pat Johnson. Pat,
did you have anything you want to add to the
answer? Sorry. I only caught half of the conversation. I
was on the phone, but I think you were. Talking
about the generator. Yes, generator. And in regards to right
now, it's $100,000. But it's to be determined. A more
accurate number and a more accurate size. Yeah, we didn't
really have the sizing. We were kind of relying on
doms. Because they built so many. That were waiting to
resize it and get the pricing. Thank you for that.
I did see Councillor Penner, then Councillor Stein, after Councillor
Benner. Thank. You. I see that there are expenses that.
We. 're. Experience. Available. However. You are willing
to like. I'm just thinking defer that for the next
year. I think you have to have it all right
now. I mean, I understand. It's a want, in a
way, and it would be really nice, but some of
the things maybe would be. Considered. Some items to be
further into next year. Right. Sorry to that's what I'm
wondering which item. Well, I mean, speaking of the compressor.
And furniture change. Old furniture for a while. I'm just
thinking. This such a huge number that there could be
some downsizing within that number to reduce it. And then
you create for another. Follow. So one thing that we,
again, one thing that we've noticed. In the, I guess
the fire industry, when we look at the compressor, just
in the last year. 18 months. That's $10,000 from the
original quote. What we looked at by deferring at one.
We're putting up what we are to identifiable problems and
then you've got the customer going up as well. So
it makes sense that while the contract. Contractors are there
and working at it, that they go ahead and we
have it installed at that. Time. As far as furnishings,
obviously, we looked at a $5 million bill, and we
want to make sure that when we open it up
to the public that it looks like a $5 million.
Building. In the quote that we have for that, those
chairs. So those 26 chairs. In the training room and
in my. Pc curse. They're all used chairs that could
go from. And again, we would have to go to
our. Lease of budgetary numbers. That's not to say that
that's the price, but when we got that. Pullback based
on what look now has right now and show. Showing
the pictures of what they have in their station. We're
certainly not trying to make the time hall. It's like
this is what they have. What would we be looking
at? And the price coming back. Was actually all the
chairs we used as well, and then in some cases,
possibly the tables. Someone like the locking. They have used
furniture that is in good shape. There's no reason that
we could look at that. When we priced it out.
But again, When I saw Telaku just to get a
budgetary number. We said we're looking for very basic office
furniture. We're not looking for the best of the best
or solid wood. We're looking for laminate, and that's what
they came back at. Yes. I do understand that and.
I totally like the idea of. Having a really nice
looking firewall to show to the public, but I do
think we need to just. Need to distinguish between ones
that need stuff for our clients. Thank you. Thank you.
Councillor san. Through you? Mayor David on site preparation. Are
we still getting quotes in for that? Emily? Maybe. Have
we done the RP? Have you posted it?
At the last meeting, we did get approval to go
forward with Kovai drafting up the tender document, and they've
just done that. So Scott and I look at them
this week, and then that tender will be put up
to the public, so we don't have it. That was
just the estimate property wise, so we're still in the
process of the tendering process, so it'll probably. Be? I'd
like to say it'll be brought forward to Councillor. December
9. I believe if all goes to plan, December 9,
camp will be able to see being simple just a
follow up. So these quotes will all. Be in by
the time we approve this budget. We'll know. When we
approve this budget, we'll know. Is this project 5.1 or
is it 4.3 or 4.6? We'll go back you'll. Have
more certainty for sure. Okay, that's great. Thank you. Thank
you very much, Councillor Steinhacker. Any further questions? On. Paisley
fire hall. Just three minutes. There are no more further
questions on the cost. Now, let me just explain the
funding. Okay, so we've already proved the firing. I'll go
forward in the cost. And sending the money. So now
we got to figure out where we're going to get
this money from paid for it. And as you know,
We haven't had any bills yet, so we don't actually
have to decide today. But we should get some direction
from Councillor. And here's my proposal. So we have several
reserves that we can use for the fire hall. First
one is called paisley. Fire reserve. So we've been collecting
money over the years and spending it occasionally on things.
But it silts to $270,000. So me, being the finance
guy, says, let's use it all. We're here building. A
new firefall, and if we need something near 25 or
26, we can kind of maybe. Deal with it then.
Or to purchase the 27. But we're building a new
firehole. Which is all hands on deck. That's my thing.
Paisley bell mobility reserve. We have a. Tower. Existing Paisley
fire hall, where we rent it for $9,500. And every
year it goes. In there. We haven't taken much out,
so it's built to 93,000. Over the years. I'd like
to use all that. And we have a common fire
reserve. For $90,000. So that's it. Take some money that
we've been saving up. Let's. Use it. We're building a
firehome. It leaves us with no reserves in those areas,
but. They'll build back up. Because every year in the
operating budget, we put a little money. In every year
we get 9500 for that down mobility. Fundraising. Let's do
some fundraising. Everybody's favorite things. That's the model. That. Again.
An estimate? $200,000. Could we get $200,000 from fundraising? We
had an initial meeting, so we had a few ideas.
So that'd be another source of funding. Canadian Community building
fund, formerly known as the gas tax. So we've been
given this money, about $220,000 a year, every year for
the last few years and we haven't spent it. Including
the 2025. Award. It'll be $1,187,000. A lot of mine.
Is use it all through firehold. Use it all. And
then surplus land proceeds. We've sold surplus land in the
past. We're good. In reserve. 608,000. Again. I'm looking for
all the money I've got that we can use. I'm
suggesting all those sources, that adds up to about half,
two and a half million. Dollars. And then we got
to solve the other two and a half. Where are
we going to? Get that fund. So this talk there.
Comments on reserves using reserves. Councilor. And yet to backtrack
on that performer gas tax. Maybe this could be a
good. Were we thinking some of that for great history?
What were we thinking about? Well. I love it, Tommy
born bridges. I love some of our roads, too, but.
I guess the council's decision, and this is a big
project that Dave was trying to. Fundraise. This is a
big project, but now we got two bridges that are
going to be closed that we need to get open
to. So somewhere along. We're going to have to borrow
money. For one or the other somewhere. I guess we
have to rest account for whether they want to fund
an old list to the fire department and then try
to find funding for the bridge somewhere. Thank you. Great
point, deputy shop, followed by Councillor Snatter. Thank you, Junior.
My question is with the common fire reserve. So is
that the total amount that's in that right now is
$90,000. All three reserves are total. Okay.
I hope my follow up question. Could I jump the
line and have a related question? Councillor Stein Acker. Is
it Evan Rashaw? So if that's okay. The condo fire
reserve, we'll share that. A little bit with our partners
and good friends in the. Chat with regards to our
fireholder chastolate. Am I remembering this correctly? We shouldn't maybe
spend that whole reserve because. Some of that are not
completely separate. Are chastoly reserved. Maybe Chief Karen. To you,
man. That's definitely a treasurer thing. I'll put David on
the spot. No, I think. I think it's separate. We
have a chest leader by a reserve, Paisley Fire reserve,
terror fire reserve and a common fire reserve and the
common reply over here, I said. When I look at
research. Where did the money come from? How did it
get in there? And I look, and I look. In
23. Nothing came in, nothing. When I look at 22,
nothing came in, nothing went out. So I kind of
go back isn't somewhere was set up that some money
was put into there. And why wasn't it put in
equally between the three? Just comments, so. It'd be separate.
Okay. No, thank you for that. Go to Councillor Steiner.
Through you, Mayor Hamill. I agree with Councillor Nickerson's comments.
However. When it all ends out at the end of
the day, the fire must be vapor. The bridge. Stopped
to be paid for. So somewhere along the line, Do
we use the money we have now? And. My idea
would be that we do use it. Can I kind
of have a follow up comment on that for sure?
On the Bell Mobility reserve. Now you've accumulated $93,000. And
because. We are an amalgamated community. The page require? All
is for airing elders. Really, not just for pesos. Am
I right on? That so? Could we? Maybe chief chairman.
Would we not take the pace of the Chesley and
the tara and I don't? Know what's in. Their mobility
reserves and use that. This is an amalgamated project. Chaturn.
As long as David Rudy, I was okay with it.
I mean, I still need to preach that. Suddenly this
new bio to send me part of Aaron Health, and
he fired suicide. So if there was money in two
of the reserves in the bell. Mobility preserved, which certainly
has been increasing over the years. I would be okay
with that. But that is so my question for David
as well. So can I just follow up? David, what's
your thinking on that? Well, I think my role should
kind of set the table and be the quarterback and
give you guys ideas and things to watch out for
so that way. Absolutely, judge. That's what you chose. I
think. You'd want to be consistent with all the answers.
I think so. For example? You could use it, but
you just need to be prepared for what backlash you
might get. Similar. My first assumption on page 28 is
to use all the unspent pharma gas tax on this
one project. One project is in Haitley. We have terra
and ches. Chesapide. Should we use a third of that
money? I'm sure we use six of that money because
we want to use half of it for breaches. I
mean, I'm. Just going to try to quarterback and get
your input and bring back summarize. What you tell me
today and bring back another draft, but that's certainly an
option. I had it on my list for a while.
Quit the question mark. Can we use the checklinter? Bill
mobility reserve funds because it's related to fire. So you
kind of think you can use it. But I got
to leave the coordinator. Thank you very much for that.
We're good for now give me our shot. Just to
add to that, I also see. We're building a workshop
with this as well. So it's not only fire where.
There is. No, obviously. Cruz and Azley crew are going
to get the best of that workshop as well. I'm
okay with losing all that. Because it's either we use
it today. Or we have to borrow the interest on
that amount today. Or find that amount somewhere else and
probably pay interest, which is going to cost more down
the road. Maybe in here tomorrow. Thank you for that
comment. Thank you. Seriously. In regards to the downloadability reserve.
You said there is one for Karen chef as well.
When? This was originally set up. What was it meant
for? That. Information on that, or was it just like,
oh, this is all the money? You get from the
radio tower income. Is that? Right? Yes. And it was
just sitting there without a proper designation. Well, through you,
Mr. Mayor. What? I've learned from the chief is that.
We put these towers on, they gave us 9000, I
think 8500 a year for the first few years at
9500, and it was used to maintain. The building. You
want to build on that? You're absolutely correct on that
table. We just haven't used it. We're not going to
put a lot of money into the Paisley firehouse example
and then the Chesley and the chair. We just haven't
spent the money. Which is some ways a good thing.
On to David's point. It has been used. We haven't
had any major breakages. Or upgrades needed to unify all.
That's not to say that if the heating system went
over. We had an issue with the roof, or we
had that flooded basement a couple of years ago, but
it was low enough that. I think we may have
taken it from there then, but it has been definitely
growing. So again, there's always a chance down the road
that something would be wrong in the building where we
would have to deal with it. But to the deputy
men's point, if there is money there where we can
spend it now and save on interest. Then that's who
we support that. Thank you very much for that follow
up. Continues. Income still, right? It can be heated. There's.
A difference. I think we'll be consideration. Good. Thank you
very much for that. I guess I have a question.
Your contingency? $737,000. Large number. Usually some of that gets
used. But most likely not. The whole number gets used.
That's why it's contingency. So obviously we'll have a better
idea. Once the groundwork sitecraft comes in. But. It's not
an industry standard contingency. It should be a percentage of
the total. Or. Is that most likely based on history
of the projects that we'll use up. Because makes our
decision. Could be the difference between financing 2.5 or 1.8.
So, any thoughts on that? Or is that just elaborate
on contingency at all? So typically I see in the
works department and doing roadways and projects and endorse from
15% to 25% contingency. Put in. Like you said, doesn't
always get used, but I think. The creative not put
in. I think Davis got around 1415 in there. Which
is actually low end of what I have seen, so.
I would recommend to stay there. I'm agreeing to that
as well. I just wanted to make clear that could
be used, could not be used. Okay. And just to
build 25% on the Dom number, the system max number,
25% of the Dom number. But now we've added this.
A million dollars to say perhaps. Further questions from members
of council. I can just keep going if you like.
So, top of page 28. We talked about it there's.
Two assumptions. That are in there. One is to use
all the unstant Capital Canada Community funds, which is former
the gas tax. We talked a little bit about. One
of the compelling reasons to use this particular fund is
because. You're allowed to spend it on firearms. Very nice.
We have that Ontario community infrastructure fund that you cannot
use for fireballs you have to use. For rotary. So
that was one of the ones that. The other one
was the previous landfill, so that's. The assumption. Now, as
we go forward, options to fund the remainder could use
their working capital. Reserve. So we have $3 million of
working capital. So we could use that. It will build
back over the years, it'll probably, maybe never build back
to 3 million. If we deplete it from 3 million.
Use two and a half to fund this and then
go down to 500,000. 500,000 will build back, maybe to
a million dollars in a few years. We don't owe
money. Our bank account and everything goes $6 million. Some
of that is earmarked for the reserve for water. It's
not all in investments. So that's one option. Another option
would be to borrow the money. And we could borrow
two and a half million dollars or more if we
need it, from infrastructure. Ontario. They have good rate. And
we could pay it back through. Operating future years operating
budget. Technically allowed me to read all the details. You
could use the Community Canada Community Building fund to pay
for your loan on your firearm for the next ten
years. And they pledged 250,000 a year for the next
ten years. So these are some of the options to
consider. How are we going to spend? How are we
going to fund the two and a half million dollars.
One way is just. They were borrowed by later. But
we don't have to decide today. But I just wanted
to kind of set the table saying we should start
thinking about how to fund this and. Give me ideas
and guardrails, where not to go and where to go.
Thanks for that, deputy mayor first council. Through the mayor.
I'd like to. I guess that third option that we
fund. The expansion part from development charges. Come to fruition.
And then I guess before we can make the final
decision, that there was. I love to see what the
interest cost will be. On the lower wind from infrastructure,
Ontario. And I think also, if we're going to use
some of our own reserves, we've, done in the past.
We might charge with an internal interest rate or something
like that. And do a payback situation. So not sure
if you climb those numbers. David. David. Just to that
last one. Deputy mayor Shaw. If we borrow from the
water sewer reserve, which I've encountered not to do, but
if we did, we would pay that back interest. And
if we use money from other reserves, like the working
capital Reserve, we would forego any interest earned from that.
Gain for future tax years operating budgets, and we could
certainly calculate all that for you. But we wouldn't have
to. Pay because it's all just our money. It's just
that way to be a realization that if. Money is
not free and that if we took our 3 million.
Dollars working capital reserve to half a million dollars. We
would get tens of thousands of dollars less interest next
year, in the future years. I just can't say all
that. No follow up needed. Deputy mayor, Councillor Benner. Thank
you, Ms. Mayor. I think I'm just not 100% sure.
When you were saying we have to pay a million
dollar in the bank. So just until two and a
half hours. Then basically we'll still have. We would need
to borrow no man, right? But. We couldn't restock this
money from any kind of. As soon as you said
the other option was to get money from certain funds.
Which are able to. But. That would be available to
restock our campus. Right? So. There would be. Maybe. I'm
just wondering. Pros and cons there to maybe take advantage
of funding. I'm sorry. I've been into accounting, so it's
a bit of a hard for me to. See the
pros and cons of each of these things. Is there
any way to. Get this more. Paper somehow. This could
be one option. This would be another option, is that
we deal with it. And just to build a little
bit through Mr. Air. One option was to compartmentalize this
firewall on. Compartmentalize the money. Right. So. If we borrow
two and a half million dollars from infrastructure, Ontario, how
are you going to pay? That back. Well, I'm going
to get a grant every year from the canadian government.
For former gastonics, and I just use that to take
the payment, and it's all neat and tidy, then we
just go out with our lives and that's it. If
we choose not to do that, and we funded through.
The work of working capital or the bank account. Then
next year, when we get one of those grants for
the former gas tax, we can put it back into
our reserves and just leave it there or use it
for bridges and other things. The infrastructure requirement is huge.
I have no problem with that. The spending market, getting
the money in. I think the real question here is
just to go up the level, is just, do we
want to spend it all on the fire holler. We
want to kind of put some of the burden on
the fire hall in future years. Follow up and then
Councillor Nickerson. If we take it on our own. Time.
Is there any money that we cannot accept or get
in order to refill our funds? So that will be
basically the same, then. Thanks for your time. Thank you.
For funding. We did use the money that we have.
And then say, yeah, we need two and a half
million out of that. What would be? We know we
can't pay for this fire hole all one year. That's
a given. But then this would cover good half of
it. So we figured what we would have paid an
interest. Or not for, say, the next 810 years of
our budget. Thousand dollars or $100,000 in interest that we
would have paid for that could go back into working
capital. And fund it that way. That would be transferring
it over a period of ten years or something. Like
that? Absolutely. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor. Staff. Through
your merit. I guess this is maybe for Emily. When
this infrastructure material came along as an option for us.
I believe it was a ten year loan. Am I
right on that? I wasn't here. With a ten year
loan. Any option you want. 510 15 was at 4%,
I believe. It was about. 4.4 something. Anytime you have
some extra money, you can throw it at it. No,
you can't. So in the structure, Ontario, you can borrow
money. It's almost like a line of credit. During construction.
And the rate changes every day. And you can throw
money at it anytime, borrow. It's just like, in and
out. Once you occupy, it's locked solid, like a vault.
So the interest rate is locked and. You cannot prepay.
That's just the way they do it. As the province
and. You cannot prepaid. So the thought at the time
at the table was, what if we sell the old
fire hall? Land. A couple of hundred to $200,000. The
old works land. Can't do an instructional territory. But the
registrate is really good, and it's. Credits available. So this
is the good things. But that's the rule. Kind of
around the table was thinking ten years instead of 25.
Or ten years. Let's get this thing out of the
way. But that was the history. I'm just trying to
put some opinions in my life. But I made money.
The waters by this time. So by internal borrowing and
stretching and straining ourselves by not using infrastructure. Ontario. We
could be giving the public the false impression that we
had lost money or even the province. The impression that
we had lost money, even though we are delighting other
projects. And I would be probably more comfortable if we
would borrow, let's say, $1 million. From infrastructure Ontario, not
the 2.5 here, but still have some borrowing so that
we have some flexibility for our other coaches because we
have lots of other projects on our list. But. Probably
not me. The 2.5. That's just my initial thought. At
this moment, based on these numbers. But do you want
more information from us? That kind of might end up
right now it's? All good. Everything you said is good.
Come back with some more details. And again. If we
don't have to decide today. But it's something we should
be thinking about. Because you might want to say I
don't. Want to do any more capital projects. No recreation,
no roads, no bridges. I only want. To do this.
Probably won't say that. Or you may say, let's do
these important recreation road. Project bridge projects in 2025. The
monies we have, knowing we've got this fire. Hall thing
that we still got to get through, and then I'll
try and pick these. Work very carefully because even we're
going to go to the public or members of the
public for fundraising. And if they come back and say,
well, you don't even need to borrow any money, for
this. You have lots of money for this that could
be detrimental to fundraising campaigns because. Of that. So that's.
Very fine here. But Councillor, banker. Thank you. Just. A
funny comment. The one was watching it. People know how
much money they have, but they should be. They can't
find out. It's not like it's a secret, right? We
all open here about our finances, but I do like
that idea to. Kind of still get a little ground
because we do have this money or the potential income
from the sale of these properties. Right? And then. We
can replenish our fund. I don't think this is a
really nice meeting. Thank you. Okay, this is kind of
a side issue, and I think it's directed through you,
Mary. Scott. Many years ago, when the water tower in
Jarrah was built. And water rates were 5%. Right? They're
not 3%. Right? Yes. And. Rakesh always told us, well,
it's sort of as a perk for the people. Terror
that had to pay $3,200. We'll give them a break
at 3%. Well, when does that break going to be?
Over. Because if we're talking about borrowing money, That would
be a fair chunk of money with the terra water
users to go back in. I won't understand your question.
So are you talking about the capital charge? Are you
talking about the 3% charge, which are. Both. I think
I'm talking about the 3% charge. Okay, so your 3%
charge is. Based on a financial plan that the government
brought in after walker and for all water systems. And
that 3% isn't for necessary the tower loan 3% based
on maintaining your water and sewer infrastructure. If something was
to happen. So that's how that and every five years,
that financial plan. Has opened up again and reevaluated. Okay?
So David may be with only. Is it due in
2026, you think? David, do you remember? 26, 27 might
be the first two year that we need to redo
it again. So you're not going to see a reprieve,
I guess, here until the new financial plan. Okay. Starting
to get off track. Well, no need to apologize. I
will out of common. I don't mean this comment sending
negative, but I think we need to make sure the
public knows that your question is in regards to the
water and sewer users, not general taxation, right? They're drastically
different, and we continually have to tell the public that
they're drastically different because the parties understand. But that could
generate more. Reserve for future projects for that. In regards
to this future project, I don't see a difference in
my mind. But. Hopefully people tuning in today. Can understand
the difference. This is kind of a question for David.
I want to get my head around it, too, because.
I know in prior Councillor years or prior to the
municipality, money was borrowed for projects through the water, sewer,
and it was paid back to a smaller interest rate,
et cetera. I missed what you said to David. Is
that a possibility or not a possibility? Just asking questions.
It may be a possibility. It was suggested to me,
not by a colleague in another municipality, not to do
it because we've got everything. So compartmentalizedly water ensued. People
give us the money for their usage, and then we
use some of it for the operation and most of
it for the capital. So it's separate accounts. Everything's separate
because we want it separate. And you should keep it.
And then to build on that. The interest rate we
get from the bank. Is not a whole lot different
than the interest rate. Interest on investment infrastructure Ontario charges
us. We get a really good rate from infrastructure Ontario.
I could bring the decimal .7 figure it out. But
it's not like a bank where they'll give you 1%
of your savings account charge you 4% to four. This
is, we get like three and a half percent on
our, now we got about 4.1% on our bank account
and they're charging us 4.2% borrow. So. It just doesn't
seem to have enough pull to say. Let's borrow from
that other place. Good questions. Being too heavy handed. I
think there's a company to give you a little bit
more. Information. David is like John financers, but a little
bit more where we're thinking for reserves here and such,
or you've been gathering information here. Would you like more
kind of. Go around the table kind of comments or
what would you like? Well, I guess just the only
previous rare any comment that would say, just don't do
anything. Otherwise, we'll proceed and bring you some more clarity
for. The next time. Can I start with my thought?
Yeah. I do not like the idea of using the
other vulnerability. Reserves, I think. They're both for new windows,
new roof, new. Infrastructure, those other buildings and then the
chocolate ones. A little bit more complicated with our joint
ownership. With Chasper, but that's just my thought. I don't
know what other people's. Thoughts are. I give a map
of memory that we've used some of those reserves over
my 14. Years for other areas of those other homes,
but I'd rather just use daily one, so. That's just
my. Councilor benner. In regards to that, I still have
a question all the time on because when we look
at the expense of safari. Obviously, building the biomarker cost
is a major expense. And then when will be ready
to put in this generator and to put in the.
So I'm wondering. If. There is offering some of it
to the following budget. What I wonder? Because. It takes
a little while to get the thing done, and then
they're going to be more expensive. Yeah. Ideally through idealia.
From a budget point of view, we're going to plan
to have this fire all completed in 2025 and occupied
and everything ready to go. So all things being equal,
that's great. Reality may come along and say doesn't. Get
finished till later. But we have to plan for that,
and we're hoping for that for sure. We need it.
Thank you, council. Yeah, just. Follow. Up on baby reproduction
generator whatnot. Just to explain a little bit. All the
time. If you decide you're not going to put it
into a later date, it's going to cost you a
lot more because you got to install the switching gear.
Automatic switching gear. And type for this generator to operate
on. And if you're not going to put the generator
in there now. Wherever you get the contractor and the
lock, you are not going to put the switch gear
in. There. And then another year down the road, all
of a sudden, wham, you're in. Another $30,000. You got
rip all that first time. I redo it again. So
this is. Something that we need. A generator. It's going
to be a must, and it needs to be done
at the same time if it's going to save you,
like you, $30,000. Doing it later. Yes. And I understand
that. When it's supposed to be done by the end
of the day. At the same time. I just think,
first of all, Mayor, I do think we should use
the bell tower reserves. That's just my thinking. I've already
stated that. And I think we need to get more
information on this with us as far as cost and
I think with Councillor Nicholson says about the compressor. Is
valuable information, and I just. Think this is something we're
going to have to mow over in the next week.
Or two. I feel like I need to clarify now.
So this proposed funding only included the paper and non
mobility reserve. Did I miss the conversation of the tarantex?
Being used. It was the suggestion from. Council. 20 minutes
ago. Yeah, no, I'm with you. I feel like Karen
has. Been. But. Could we just park this? Because we're
not even fully aware of the Councillor, but dental. Reserves
and. Any. Restrictions. Restriction. But are you okay with that?
Maybe that would come back then with the additional information.
Yes. I was just going to try to wrap things
up. So would Councillor like staff to bring back? A
report with further detail. On. The cost as well as
the options and maybe also kind of a hybrid. On
the options to fund the remaining. So maybe not all
the capital, maybe not all thoroughly, but. Those two as
well is some sort of a hybrid mix. That Councillor
might be a little bit more comfortable with. I'll give
my thoughts. If there could be option a. Option B.
Option B and. We've asked for a couple of different
options here and then Councillor can kind of go. Through
that or ABCD. In my mind could make it easier.
But that's kind of what you were thinking, that. Is
as well as maybe what we can do is also
pros and cons. So each auction will probably have a
pro and a con to it, definitely with the interest
that we would lose versus the interest that we're going
to spend. That the treasurer will be able to kind
of bring that a little bit more. Clear for when
Councillor is making further decisions. Thank you very much for
that. Councillor Panner, I think. And then Councillor Nicholson. Thank
you. Regards to these funds for Karen Shesley. So I
was just thinking that it's that. Money and for the
county things. Don't know how county works, but it's that.
Money once, then for a certain item. Department budget. And
then it would sort of be borrowed from the IHS
because there's going to be future income. So that pays
the income would go back. Into those funds, then I
feel like it will be a possibility, because. It's not
like to truly please them, but socialist. Do have money
going to provide. It might be, but if this would
all be kept. In one budget, and it's being paid
back from the team because he's entitled. As mutant, they
should not be needing any money for any repairs in
their future. So I think there's still a possibility to
save on interest. To do that. Thank you very much
for that. Councilor nixon. David with this, your infrastructure.
We have to tell them how much money we need
up front. To a box. And say if we did
say we need two and a half million, and all
of a sudden, It's up that we've already got 2
million from them. But we haven't. Received the keys to
the building yet. If we had an extra million dollars,
we could pay main off of that and only finance,
but. We have to decide that before we receive the
keys for the bill from the contractor. Right. Three. Was
here. Correct. We can pay all kind of. Occupancy over
the keys or whatever the date is, that's the lockdown.
Date. Between now and then, it could be Amelia and
it could be a million and a half, could be
half a million. Or we could tell them whatever we
want at that moment. But what I'm saying is, if
we didn't pull out of all our funds, and we're
up that we had maybe 2.4 million. We fold them
in nine. But then we decided. Week before we take
off the sea. Of a one. $9 million here somewhere.
Pay that down. Okay. Thank you. Thank you for that.
Thank you. So. When you calculate. This and collect all
the funds. Is it like. They're paying all these different
accounts for all these various expenses in regards to the
prior or is it just one big part of money
and then that's the one that pay? Out. So you're
not keeping any separate. Okay, well, you said that this
much on the radio tower we take this money from?
The radio Tower Fund. Not really. I wanted to put
it all together. I didn't want to say, hey, it's
only $3 million and then come back another with another
500,000 for this and that. And I just want to
put it all together. Now, as we go forward, and
we might decide from fundraising, but let's take this little
piece out and go and fundraise for it instead. So
then I come off your list. Because we want to
identify it as something specific. Let's say we want to
fundraise. For the furnishings. And then the 25,000 comes off
and we get, try to get the money that way.
But if it doesn't come in, we might still. The
parents. We still have to pay. It. Thank you. Thank
you, Councillor Don. We still have properties and we have
less than for sale yet. And there's real good chance
there's a subtle way spring. Which could be three or
$400,000. That would be kicked into this fund. To help
offset our money. That would be boring infrastructure, Ontario at
the end, which could bring us back down. I shouldn't
say. My advice was a small home, but. There's a
municipality. Thank you for that comment. Anything else you need
to update it before we go to tell you? I
can move forward. Sure, if I could. Just on top
of page 28, we have a few fire projects that
will be funded through reserve. In a relatively small capital
projects. Cycler have second story, Lifefire training center, new bunker
gear, Terra vehicle, hydraulic cutter. Terra rescue airbag system replacement
and modernization of thermal dimension cameras. So I guess I'm
curious what reserve makes it come in from. For example,
the terra. Vehicle rescue hydraulic cutter and spreader, reserving complementary
tariff firefall reserves. They have their own reserves. For equipment.
And fixing things. New. In the repair. Okay. And then
my follow up question. I believe we have one of
these. I think I've seen it demonstrated. That the open
houses. So. I'm curious why we're buying another one. I
can't say that. Which item is. The rescue hydraulic cutter
and spreader. Is that not the big, like, snip thing
that. I've seen our firefighters demonstrating. So each department. So
you measure through yourself. So each department carries two cent.
For years they've. Had two independent sets. When paisley. Fundraise
and got their last e hydraulic set. We moved. The
backup section. They ended up with two sets then, so
we moved their electric hydraulic set over. To Terra and
the old set of height of Nike hydraulics they had
from back in the 80s that was decommissioned and took
out of service. They used that for approximately two, three
months and then. It basically. Went because it was also
35 years old as well. So what we're doing right
now, this is very much to your point, where you'd
seen as I cut it and spread. An independent system.
What we've done is gone with a single system cutter
and spreader for the additional set. Which does both jobs.
So when our purchase in a full set, we're purchasing
an e. Hydraulic set, which mimics. The battery system the
same as what Paisley does. So as we replace the
table in all three. Stations. We'll go to the same
platform so that all the fires all have the same.
Tools but to your point, yes, you have seen the
verse that was through a trillion grin I'm going to
say that was. Probably 13 years ago, and that's the
hearst set that they use when they do the demonstrations,
but they're a second set right now is out of
Boulder state commission. It's not working. How often do they
use both steps? At a time. That's a case where
possible. It's on the second truck, right? Yeah. Good point.
So to that point, because we can do noticeable calls
at different times. In terror's case. We've done five ndcs
in the last couple of weeks we've been looking in
the sense that we haven't had two independent cars. With
a head on full trapped. But if a pump was
away doing a different job when we get an MDC.
It gives us the ability to still send a rescue,
or vice versa, so. The municipality one before I got.
Here. Always maintain two steps of hydraulics at each station
on two independent trucks. So we're just trying to maintain
that. Not having two full sets on my goal down
the road is to have a cuttering spread, a combie
tool that does both jobs as one unit. I'd like
to ask the related question. During my 14 years here,
I've been over 14 hours talking about minor capital fire,
and we've had, like, allotment of 15,000. Or they've built
up reserve. Of sorts and then to please the reserve
or pour of money from future. Minor capital. Are we
still along those lines? There's a certain amount for minor
capital items, or are we moving away from that because
of the complexity of it? Because for years we've talked
about this so many times. I'm quite confused, but to
David. What's your thoughts? Well. When we buy equipment, we're
just going to charge it to operating and the budget
that we. Had called minor capital. We just moved that
bunch into materials and supplies. We're no longer proceeding with
that. Other question. Debbie Rashaw. So I have a follow
up, I guess, and then when this comes back, I
would like to see these items prioritize because every other
department prioritize their. Capital expenditures. And. I individually.
Start big dollars. But in a year when we're spending
over $5 million on a new firefall and. We still
have lots of offerings cost in the fire department for
training for the team. If there's somebody that is saved
here. That firefighters can be trained with. That's where I
would rather see the dollars in the department being spent,
and I appreciate the operating and capital are severance. But.
I'm not confident that all of these are a high
priority. From my conversations. With. Team. Where did you turn?
So all three items to Tara come from speaking with
the district you've been speaking to. The offices. The cutest
spreader is now out of service, so down to one
that's. Why we're looking at purchasing another one. The omegs
they took out of. Service a couple of months ago
due to the fact that we had 30 years old
and were unable to be serviced anymore. June. Because they
considered pressure vessels. So the herback system. Care does not
have one right now. The thermal engine cameras is three
of those. Terrorist thermal imaging camera. The MSA, which is
15 year old, is now broke, so they're down with
thermal imaging camera. Paisley now having an issue with their
equivalents and chemists. So we were looking at modernizing. That
the religion campus as we go along, give you the
cameras that they have now. Our situational thermal energy cameras
on the operational fermentation cameras, and that's just. Cameras that
they bought back in the day when they got a
good deal. It just means that they actually do the
job they're supposed to, so certainly get three terror items.
They're items that are missing right now. We can set
like a down level of service when it comes to
the hydraulic cuttering spread. But that will take down to
one unit. We did look at doing the cheapest way
we could, and that was going to come because. Again,
I could certainly prioritize them, but I would certainly show
them those four items. That they needed. The light container
we can put back to a medium, but that's something
we're trying to build for our basement and second story
players, and that's all being done in house. Needed. I
guess I'm confused because I see two terror items. We
refer to three star items. And then we spoke to
four items, priority. So one of. These fire thermal imaging
cameras is. One of them is for terrace, so that's
where we get. That's correct. And that's how the service.
Go further. Head over to Councillor pattern. Thank you so
much. In regards to the Life medium center, are we
not having the opportunity? To practice that hotel anymore. Like
I said. So one of the things about Bruce Powell
that we noticed in my couple of years here, I've
been there once, and in talking to most of the
officers in all three stations, it was the same eight
to ten. Five. That is the wood color every year.
Mainly from Paisley. The year that I went over, we
had two biopharists in chest. Label Terra. I do this
in house. What it allows us to do is do
it on regular training evenings. Therefore. And I'm paying for
DM, so called the PDMs. That's not. To say that
Bruce power can be used for the propane crops, but
when it comes to life via annual training for all
of our firefighters. It's impossible to get if we've got
45 to 50 interior fireplaces to get them all. Over.
By the time we pay travel time, by the time
we pay full day. 50 inches to go. There. That's
why we chose a couple of years ago to build
this and to do it in house. And most of
that train is done on a regular training night. Therefore,
we're. Not anchoring any further cost. That's not to say
that we won't go to Bruce palp for the propane
crops put together live bioside things? Absolutely not. Yeah. It
was there any kind of optimist and it was great
training. They had several story building, which is really what
being needed. If we need just. Respond to. A high
rise situation. And I feel that. People need to show
up on things like that are offered. And if they
don't show? Up. That's not fun. But that's not one.
Thank you. So it's incumbent of us to make sure
that our firefighters get animal life by a train. And
we're the ones who, Councillor, set the level of service
with what we do. For biophyding. We say that we're
a full service department. So with that being said. We
have 55 fighters that we say are internal firefighters able
to do. Internal pipeline. We have to make sure. We
have a process in place that every year they're put
into a situation where they can do live fire with
bruce power. Again, the problem was we've got a couple
of departments that send one or two of the same
people, but we have 25 fires. Of interior. And that's
where we've seen the need to build what we've. Got
here so we can make sure. We're meeting the training
that we need in case we have situations where it's.
Required, words needed. Thanks for that. Think we'll head to
transportation services on 29. If there's nothing. Further from you,
David. No transportation services. So the way I look at
this is that I mentioned. At the beginning. We have
about a little over $800,000 from this grant every year.
From Ontario community infrastructure fund. And we've got about 1.2
million to spend on transportation and recreation capital projects. So
up to 800,000 perosis. That's what we have. And then
this list adds up to 2.2 million. 2,000,148. So we
got to decide which ones to do. So instead of
just dumping the list, you guys. We thought, why don't
we give you some sense of staff priority, and that's.
Where the ABC comes. And so Scott can answer any
of the questions about the priority. And to do all
the a priorities. I just did the math. We need
688,000. And then we can't use this. Grant used to
buy trucks, so we got a tandem. Cloud truck that
we've already built for the chassis. We need 400,000 to
build. The rest of that truck and 20,000 for this
flail lower. So that's the 420 we need to take
out the 1.2. Floating around. But. Maybe. You got a
list of projects here I don't know if you have
any questions about? Those projects or which ones should be
brought forward instead of being a c priority, should be
an a priority or vice versa in terms of transportation
service. So does Councillor want to lack better terms? Cherry
pick on the list or just force measure files? Want
to make some highlights? I don't get any hands yet.
Councilor Penner. Thank you, too. I'm happy to see that.
However, I would like to see over, like you to
describe to me what kind of psychology there. And. If
it includes the road. This is just sidewalk. We're talking
about. And that. Just the weight of it, I'd like
to know. What this 200,000 was in. How much risk
we get for now, and it's just supposed to be
leading all the way around to the school or just
a long, notorious week? Thank you. Steve. So this sidewalk
would start at Victoria Street. On the west side of
the road. It will be a high bank. Curb, put
in with a sidewalk 1.5 meters beyond that high bank
curve, and it would lead down to earn on street,
which is a school is on, and it would lead
around that. And tighten to the existing sidewalk of the
school. This would involve doing some catch basins and drainage,
because right now the water drains off the rope. Into
the ditch. So when we go to high bank curve,
we've got to do some. Catch basins for that. As
far as the rule of work, the only road work
would involve a little patching. You go from servicing on
that road? There's some bad divots. We would probably grind
them out and repatch them, but we are not paving
the whole. Room. That's what that is. And how wide
I see this is like, besides. This thing? Sidewalk, which
is the line on the road. That people have to
ditch so we see why we left sidewalk, so that
they're not. Going for? Bicycles. And. That kind of thing
would be blind enough to have an easy part. Because
at the moment, The pavement ends here, then there's some
grass, and then the line is what I think. It's
two and a half feet at the most. So would
it be a standard. Standards for sidewalks is 1.5 meters.
Which is 5ft. The sidewalk would be only that wide.
You may gain a little bit on a high bank
curve. Depending whether they forward or continuous, with a sidebar
for whether they pour it separate. But the maximum 1.5ft.
Off where gold started a bitch. I feel like. This
would blow. As much as I like the Bible, one
that there, it just seems to be. Cleaning a quite
deep, stitch like inch to the ditch where people could
actually fall down. Yeah, that probably could happen. It's going
to be as a sidewalk. There's no other way to
unless you want to do a complete road construction. It's
got a dock open. This is going to remain so.
Your sidewalk is going to be on top of that.
I just kind of put my fishing worse than it
is now. Do you know where I'm talking about? It.
It's a real eye as the consistency on the list
and. I just want to be sure that anarchy pressing
out to you actually create a greater habit, so. That's
why. I'm so. Concerned about that because I feel like
me too. And such as my brain, what I envision.
There to be a safe time bar, so I'll give
you a comparison. If you were to look. And it's
not as long as stretches. We're going. To see in
Paisley, but the new sidewalk and Terra by the bridge.
But if you were to look at it, it drops
off substantially before it goes onto the bridge. And I
don't see for any issues there, but you could take
a look at it. And see, like I said, this
is going to be a lot longer stretch, but in
order for me to provide something that you want to.
Cause the scope into the ditch. We're looking at Libra
construction, and you're looking at probably a million dollars. For
our project. I'm trying to address the safety of the
kids with the sidewalk. If they can't stay on the
sidewalk, it can't help that. I looked at savings of
about 50 to 80,000. With just the drive through curve,
but I felt if the concern was safety, I'm not.
Going to go beside mark without an eye bank. Could
I just interject? We did install new sidewalk on the
north end of Paisley, and there's a steep bank. In
regards to that as well. Would that also be like
a similar example of how it can be done, and
right now it's being done that way. There. That was
very good example. Thank you. That's where you raise the
sidewalk to get to the end of town. Okay. All
right. Thank you. Thank you, Debbie. Rosha.
Other questions in regards or workspace in the cloud. Do
you want me just go through the e list. And
then if you guys questions about me, you guys will
bring them up or do you just. Does everybody know
where these projects are? And you want me to run
through or you. Guys are good. How about, like, a
two liner from each line just to give us just
a little bit more? Information from each. Yes. Contestion six
elderly. There was some money budget from last year we're
working on. Engineering. But that is where up from the
locker Redam, where the world is sliding into the river.
So, again, kind of a safety thing. So that's why
I say it's an 80. Okay. David Talmark developed the
truck. The truck? We ordered the chassis. We actually haven't
purchased it yet. We're supposed to be. Here in November,
and then it goes to Viking, and then next year
the equipment goes on. Okay, roadside. Roadside. More. That's the
playoff. So we have one two disc by more stoic.
And we have one flame. The flail Moore is causing
us price repairable costs, so. That's why it's in budget,
and I want to keep a flail more. Good instances.
The terra trail, because. It's been actually more than it
can take down trees and twigs and stuff, so it's
not just a normal cup. Then we talked about the
length of a sidewalk. Paving is on the 15 side
road. Basically from concession two to eleven, where the bridges
got the turn. Passed down from Knoxville farms. The elevators.
And north. That's the turn. Chip Road. And we don't
pay the tune around. Lose it and it's still really
good. Shape. So that's why I want to pave it
opposed to town and shipping it. Based on what Councillor
did last year. Ballard Clown street. Same thing. All you
have to do is drive that between George and James
and. You'll see that really bad. The alligator and. If
we don't soon get painted over top, but it's going
to start picking. Out. Church and arena. That's when we
did the. About the bypass, when they did the bridge.
Our guys went in there and did some watering work
this year. And after doing the water framework, we see
that. It's very tough shape. If you were to look
at it. Alligator again, up against the arena and such
forth. So that's why it's there. And the last little
sections in chastity here down by the lawn bowling. We
need to do some drainage work there because that's why
the road is breaking up. And it's leading into the
park. Basically in front of the law. I think that's
all the A's and I guess. If you guys have
any knee questions or seeds, let me know. Thank you.
On the b issues here, Scott. Through you, mayor. Landfill
trailer. That's the biddings that people just throw the garbage
into. No, it isn't. That bin would be for us,
for mattresses. So right now, we like the mattresses and.
My guys put them in the bins that are in
paisley and transport them. Away for recycling. But right now.
The bins are tied up all the time. And, Hazel,
we wondered about getting a bigger bin. You just leave
at the air site and we could try and keep
ahead of the mattresses. If you ever been to the
iron landcoat, that building gets held up with lashes quite
quickly. So that idea was used an existing trailer and
get a bin for masters. So I guess my one
comment regards to that would be to take a lot
of fat time. To. Remove mattresses and fill the building
that can use for other things. Even $11,000 cost could
be recovered fairly quickly. With staff, time and equipment. Senior
American. Americans put it to an aid the landfill I'd
like to be very proud of around here. The landfill
is probably. Good. Our garbage collection is probably. The only
service we provide. That's almost a break, even with recycling.
Debbie. I remember the question. It's about the wheel drive.
Paving project. I guess. It's hard. Not due to the
construction that's been happening. Can we recover any of that?
From. The developer, or is that just. That's on us?
To. Pay that. Through. I don't foresee you collecting any
of that through the developer based on the present. Piece.
He has paid for the building permit. And as far
as construction goes, They will pass. They've done some stormwater
servicing that they will patch at this point. We're still
looking at a tarot hydro. We don't know where they're.
Going and what they're going to do to our roadway
and stuff too. So I guess what I'm saying to
use. As a Councillor if you're going to have. I
don't know. I don't. Know how many million dollar building
there and then. We're going to have a patch road.
And maybe that's why I put it to section b,
because maybe it doesn't. Have to be done next year.
Like, maybe the project won't be complete. Yes. I was
wondering that. That too, actually was looking at the address.
What is happening with these? They don't look great. So
my second question. And it's not ledger related, but are
we going to have a one way street around? There.
Is that the plan? Is that? Tv. Was at one
time on Row street, but that was never pushed through
by Councillor. So at this. Time. That isn't happening.
Councilor staff. Wellington street to County Road one today. Is
it a heavily used row again? I don't know. I'm
asking this to. You, Scott, I think. Yeah. Surprising. We
did drop account on it. I can't pull the numbers
up right in. Front of here, but. I was price
action numbers on it. It was a little under to
date, but it was still for that type of road.
You classified it as a c, so you're not looking
at it as a major priority. Yeah, that's the case.
Could be the case. It is a shared roadway with
Brockton. So basically, on capital work of Brockton, we split
the cost. So there's a few. Projects in my capital
here that deal with Brockton, and I'm still kind of
in negotiation with them on what we're going to proceed
with and what we can do, so. That's why it's
down. The priority, okay? Myself and then Councillor Benner. So
paid to read into Bald Island. That area has been
quite rough at times. That little section, I'm assuming. The
curtains section right by our slash path. Obviously we don't
want to increase the speed. That I. Have been conversations
with various community members saying, well, That could be closer
to the hurling club instead of so close to our
slash pad. So is this just repayed 50,000 would just
be pavement on the existing or is there any thought
fill of moving that a little bit further away from
our splash pad, closer to the front. Curls up, or
is that. Completely off the table. So that is not
factoring in moving it. We could look at that. That
is factoring. Into greening it. The reason that is such
a terrible mess. Is because the road is the dream,
and that should never be. And the reason I crossed
it as a b is I'm really scared to put
that project forward because I have no paving in the
north this year. And it could be substantially higher just
to do a small area like that. Right, but I'm
well aware it means that it's terrible. Okay. All right,
that's all I need for now. I think Councillor Benner
is on. That? No, thank you. Further.
From the list to staff. From staff. David back to
you. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. We'll talk about recreation and
culture and recreation. And culture probably has got a list
of $1.2 million of projects, some of them get funded
by donations. Some of them get funded by grants. And
then there's somebody left over. So again, Carly's gone through
and said priority or defer. Again. The Councillor can give
us input to move some up or some down. As
you see fits. We just wanted to give you a
sense of the priority. And. If we did all the
ones that are labeled with priority, we would need $269,000.
That I mentioned earlier, that this pays involved and enhancements
will go ahead. Full cost of the project will be
through donations, $70,000 and the chair, readdress year of upgrade
50 50 with the grant. So if we get the
grant, if we're. Successful, we'll have several years to spend
that grant money. Suggesting we spend it in 26, if
successful. And Carly could give you maybe some of the
satellite on each project. Would that be appropriate? Excellent. Great.
Thanks. Carly, you're up. So. Weasley, tesla? Not a length
hair and I got it completed this year. There are
all the. 25 years old. After 20. That. Those pieces
of equipment, you can't tear them apart and rebuild them.
There's a mechanism that holds four refrigerants. So we're going
to just kind of needing to do those. The tarot
and talent. System has been identified as ongoing nation by
the Terra festival of crafts. The paisley lcbo air conditioning
replacement. That identifies through our conversations with the LCBO and
our negotiations that it's over 20 years old. The Paisley
town hall bell tower repair. The screen that keeps the
birds out has fallen down. And because of how you
get up into that. It's a liability. And we're not
supposed to have anybody go up through the building. So
we would have to get a man left in and
somebody qualified to do that. The chapel pool. Mechanical work.
I am very hopeful that. $65,000 is a high amount
I had a couple of contractors need to look at.
It. And they said due to the age, the configuration.
We just don't know. What we're going to get into.
We're trying to find. So that's just kind of a
base point. Hopefully it comes in less DC renal flat.
Roof is over the community hall. And. It's been patched
probably ten times. In my span here, so it's new
for a placement, the terrarina roof. Has experienced leaks this
summer and fall. I do believe it can be repaired
because. That would be a little 15 years old. And
the cereal pool doesn't have a tot dog, so a
tot dock is. Just essentially a little dock that sits
in the water so that the low guys can stand
in. The water and not. Thank you very much for
that. Okay, true. You, Mayor Carly. The arena sound system.
Is it going to improve the sound? The sound? Sound
of terrorist is not good. So this would be the
internal components that are in the office. It doesn't include
any speakers or so it's not going to go out
through the kerneling club. They don't go everywhere that it
goes right now, so it does. Go through the ground
club, through the hall to the arena, or you can
divide it up, but. It's not changing the speakers that
are. In each room. Okay. I hear you. And one
other thing. I noticed you had deferred. The basketball.
Now that was to hurt a year ago. So I
don't think we should defer it again. Personally. Okay. And
I actually had a discussion with. A pair of Flashpad
committee and they had a little bit of muddy left
over after they finished their shade shelter project, and they
would like to donate stuff on the additional funds that
we're fundraising to that project. Okay, great. So that will
be probably included in the next round. Of discussion. Councilor
Penner, then Shaw. Thank you. Jim. Mentioned greenies, but I
understand. From photos that I saw. There's a little structural
problem. Is that included in the $10,000? No, it is
not. So adults and the building. Officials, they go up
to the bell tower to take a look at it.
The ventures that were shown from somebody who went up
there that showed them enough. There were these same pictures
that the engineer took in 2016 and then. In 2017.
I want to say we did have somebody go up,
remember? When the bell town was rebased, they did do
structural work and went over top of over there, so.
The surface is actually not in bad shape. It's just
the burns are getting in. Okay. Yes, they are so.
Those. Voters are the ones that got sent to you
and me where this were of today, but they're the
exact same. Falling within the your important home city. It's
actually me. Okay, so. That's all fine. There's a structure
found. And I mean, when the contractor goes up, I
will have them verify that. But from what we've seen.
It looks. Exactly. There was. Some other concerns with the
region. Right at the entrance. This was not raspberry. The
grant. That wood was really soft right when you step
into the door under the mat, so. I think that
was a different. It was an already. Concerned both power
and washing, right? Now, my question
was, actually, you kind of start to allude to this,
so. Has this lick and have conversations been had with
the community groups that. Are perhaps interested in fundraising for
some of these items. And have you met with. Some
of our. I really haven't at this point. I know
the kids on public trustee is still fundraising. For their
so I don't anticipate that they're going to be taking.
On a lot of projects. Now, having said that, Councilor
Hampton reached out and the Chess Lady island rehab project,
he was hoping that it would not give. Him club.
We're hoping to do something with the old pad that's
down at. The pavilion. So they might take on that
project in 2025, but they're not sure. Yet. Regarding the
Terrace side committee, and they have shown interest in putting
a basketball project. I haven't. Reached out to the Tara
Robert club or. What is that for? Carlin service. Well,
just if there was any interest in helping fundraise. Or
recreation project. Yeah. I guess just involved. To our
last conversation. To the homecoming funds from Gateway. And if
there's a project that. We're going to. Be that they're
going to be undertaking that we need to be aware
of. So I did have a meeting with that group
last week, and they don't have any official plans. The
directions that they're heading is towards fundraising for replacement of
legaround equipment lately down at the ball diamond now. They
didn't give me an official amount of how much they
had, so we kind of started the conversation. Of. Here
are some samples of what you could look for. We'll
get some pricing and the training. Sort of. I don't
know if it'll happen that quickly or not. Thank you,
council. The tariff pool. Tote dock, hot dock.
What is that? It's just a little platform that sits
in the shallow end of the. Pool and then so
the three and four year olds that they can't quite
touch the bottom. We put them on the cot dock
and then nobody has to hold them. And it needs
to be repaired. We don't have one. And the other
thing you are going ahead with the awnings? They have
been purchased during the offer. Perfect. Thank you, Councillor Styker.
Maybe it's a little more information. Why Ellenford Baldam? And
length deferred. I thought, what a great idea. Why are
we. Just based on the amount of budget money we
have and their lightnings are still operational. I was aware
of that. Concern. I like that one. Moved up.
Debbie. Mayor Shaw, Councillor Ben. Yeah, second, that was one.
I was going to ask the other two. Because when
they were at the opening in the summer, I think
that one was great to me. As well. As an
opportunity. High priority. Thank you, mayor. Councillor. Better. Thank you.
For that. Just getting back to the region again. The
screen is not important. But the concert in the floor.
Just to be sure that this is not something that
will get worse over time. And it will. Cost us
more. When. You hear it now? It's separate from the
documents, right? I mean, this may not be quite a
huge difference. I'm just worried that. Become a safe nazis
because I keep it on our rubber map, which may
increase the moisture area. And just that this may have
to be fixed before the seminar. From Carly to Carly.
Christine.
I'll look to her, Theo, for that. Do we need
to officially have that direction from. Councillor to look into
that. Well, contraction from Councillor be
that we look into. Contacting Paisley Legion. Staff in regard
to. Building concern. Yeah. To me. They already spoke to
me. That's why I'm so concerned about it. Right. Somebody
spoke to me that. I don't know how to look
at it. So to confirm it. Yes, councillor directed.
The reparation manager to contact Azalen staff regarding building concerns.
This page is paid to leave and staff the correct.
Yeah, that won't be all existed, I think. I'm not
sure who the members. Do billing concerns. Is that okay?
And that will be added to. Our 501 motion that
we will read out once we are done. Our thorough
look into budget. I think we're good for that. And
we're okay with that right now. So back to you,
David. And does everyone keep going or have a little
break? Keep going. We'll keep going and keep going. Thank
you. In that last session on recreation was exactly what
we're looking for. Maybe try to bring a deferred one
up and see if we can fit things in. And
here's why they're important to you. So thank you. The
next one is. Health services, two projects to be funded
by the cemetery trust fund. Senatory trust fund has a
lot of rules and regulations around it. Perpetuity is a
very, very long time. So we had $600,000. In the
cemetery trucks funds. And with this very limited rules about
how you can ever spend it. One of them would
be to increase the land to expand the terra cemetery,
and that's. Why we put that project in here. 174,700.
And then the second one is Jesse cemetery surveying, so
we can use extra space for both sides. So those
two fall in the rules and regulations you can use
that money for. And we believe these projects are needed.
To do the now for the future. And I'll just
pause and if you want any. More Christine can answer
detail. From christine's questions, too. Christine? Councillor Benner? Yes. We
had. A. Tier that wanted to establish a deemedary. Natural
senatorial ground. I was wondering if the surveillance, I should
say, would be included. Project unto itself.
And we would have to. Use the peer maintenance onto
the tape cemetery for that. We can only use the
funds for me to open. Very specific limitations that the
reason I'm very much terry puts on basically a project
has to be done, and then you can apply to
get your fund that. We have to go. The terror
expansion. Get the vote, but you have to be allowed.
Because they're perpetuating. Right. So it's there to maintain that
cemetery. Each project would have to be for its term.
It's only separate. And the other thing is. Basically. I
know everything does. We have to get the survey down
and we have to kind of. Make sure that it's
suitable. We'd have to have an engineer that we have.
Right now for this. To make sure it's suitable in
the burial crowd. That's our first ever. Going back by
Judea. But does it come out of that problem? That's
a different time to come by, Erica. Hog is on
separate popular pages down here, so we decided to do
natural barrels at the top. Of the PNC cemetery, it
would come up. That cemetery, but it can't. Be. If
we're able to apply for it. Sounds good. And then
that would also be because that was the only. So
that will put me. Down in a day that day,
because it only comes from that. I can run off
the information from. Ontario. Thank you.
Very much. Other questions regarding health services. We have 4
million reserve and it's meant to be used for ongoing.
Capital maintenance as well as potential replacements in the future.
So. There are several projects that Scott has come up
with for the year 2025 that add up. To 653,000.
Reliance. Decisions that we're open to any Councillor. Questions on
sewer.
Participated in the open line last Tuesday. And.
With that? The future. Upgrade to our Paisley plan. Could
you elaborate for everybody how you see it the next
510 years? Kind of penny is in regards to Paisley?
Sure, so. Basically, we actually have some money. In the
10,000 for. The. Suit plan, capacity study. And I think
the last Councillor meeting we put through that we're applying
for funds. To look at that, expand that plan. Water
isn't an issue. Of course people won't willing to pay
at this present. Time, but our stewards plan based on
infill loss and potential subdivisions. Is getting near its capacity.
So based on that study, We're looking at seeing what
we can do with the existing plan to optimize. It
for treatment. All right, well, thank you very much for
that update. Other questions. Well, I think we're then heading
to water. We have $8 million. Reserve. And again, we
rely on my colleagues. Got to list the projects for
the upcoming year that had up to $830,000. So again,
if you have any questions on why projects, we've got
tables for 2025. Deputy mayor, followed by Councillor Stein.
Would this be a part of pre qualified for development
charges, or is it potentially. Listening to new capacity. Because
we're replacing a lot, right? I don't think it would.
Because we're maintained. Replacing existing well. I would make no
goal when it was in the sewer and it's in
the water. And you see it going forward here in
the storm. We try and do a street job a
year with inter municipality. Last year was Francis street. This
year. In Chesa, here at the third street southwest. Basically
headed west of the. Street. And we're looking at the
three different entities to help cover those costs. But you're.
Close to a million. For about. Follow up. Yeah.
With larger names and stuff. I would have to review.
Some of the pipes will be larger and different components.
I wouldn't say on everything. That would like your question
mark for instrumental. Thank you. Mayor David I heard you
say we have enough reserves to cover all these projects.
Did you and the budget include money to go back
into that reserve? That's part of that 7%. Where the
budget is. Am I wrong or not? Three of us
demar every year. We collect money. For what? From usage
of water. And there's more money that we collect than
we have for operational expenses. Okay, that goes. Into the
capital. Okay, so that goes into. Offset what we spend.
Yes. Okay. Some use will spend more and some years
will spend less. That's the nature of these large projects.
Yeah, just to follow up. As I scroll through and
saw the 7%. Now, if you include. Maybe this is
not the time for the question, but I'll never. Ask
it anyway. Did you include anything that we deferred as
a possible go ahead? Or you took that out. Does
that make any sense? Sorry. No, that's me. It does
make sense. So how can I rephrase this? In the
7% that we're going to need to do all these
projects. Did you? Leave in what was deferred. Or not
prioritized. In the budget, which includes the 7% tax increase.
There's enough capital projects to do. The priority projects. The
priority, not the one. You want to do more of
the deferred ones, you need to have 810 percent. Okay.
That's all I wanted. Sorry I was so vague. But
I'd also like to add in regards to talking about
water right now. That's separate, correct? So that won't have
any impact. On general taxation rate, correct. That's from our
water users. Are payers and that's right. If we're done
with council. Councilor. The last item we received. Warning. What
is it? It's only $7,500 there. Yeah, it's just for
engineering for proposal. Next year's project. So we would do
the engineering on that speed, and then it would be
the big capital project that would take place next year.
And this Victoria street between. Inkerman and. Row. Satisfaction. Yeah.
Okay. It would be the big water sewer capital next
year, so we put a bid in. For planning and
budget. Thank you. I don't know. For Darian, my question
about the stormwater study. I thought that was in this
year's budget to be deferred. So. Yeah, let's jump in
there. I think we're good with. Perfect segue. We're segwaying
in, and we'll start with David. Maybe I'll just. It
didn't get completed yet. It needs to be completed. Because,
as you see, About three over nine is taxpayer dollars.
So go towards that street. Does that answer your question?
Yes. I thought we were ready this year. We haven't
seen anything. So that explains it. Yeah. So good. Segue.
Storm, as Scott said, is not covered by the water
and sewer reserves. So this is taxpayer money. So when
you do a pro check that includes the water, sewer
and the storm. Water and sewer can component can be
taken from those reserves, but not the storm. So this
is a big donor number that we're recommending be part
of that 2025. Capital projects. Questions on start. I'm just
a little bit unclear. So we approved it in 2024.
It didn't. Happen. And it's the same number. For stormwater
study. I'll go back and clarify. The request that deputy
mayor Shah had said. What happened to 24 money? Is
this additional or is this just pushed forward. I'll clarify
that. We've only been presenting additional money this morning. I'll
clarify. I think we're good for storm. Well. 37 operating.
Yes, we can. So just to summarize, all that capital
that we get good input today. I'll come back. I'll
try to make it a little more clear. We've got
these pools of money that we can use and can't
use for. Certain things. And then we have these desires
and needs and wants, and I'll try to. Bring it
back. So we've got a long way today. I think
next step, we can bring it almost. To completion and
then look for the final draft or the final stat,
so thank you. We'll touch on operating. I'll start on
operating on the top of page 37. And I remind
everyone the Ontario provincial pleasant increase their fee. To air
and elderly and other municipalities across Ontario. It's a large
number, so their fee was 1,000,000,172, and now it's 1,000,389.
Or 390, and it's a $217,000 increase in an our
tax base. That equates to 3% increase in taxes just
for. You. So that's one it undercollians operating. Then we
have 3% union wage increase. Which was negotiated about a
year ago for the years 2024 and 2025. So it's.
Already done. And we're proposing a 3% nonunion wage increase.
And we have three new roles they've summarized. There's a
document that lists three new roles. I think you've talked
about them before, so I won't go into them unless
you have questions. I did talk a little bit about
how they're funded. The project manager mostly is not. Fully
funded by the new fire hall. Project which will charge
the capital because it'll run over time. And the facility
attendant. And we continue to increase some fees that will
partially offset that cost of the new facility agenda. I
applied 3% inflation, which was at the time when we
started this process. And like in 2024, the Pritch reserve
is required to be built up. That's still a requirement.
MIT membership is to end as of December 3 1st,
2024, resulting in savings of 19,575 that will be in
one of the resolutions we read at a moment. So
when you add all that up, looks like about a
7% plus increase at this point. More details will come
in 25th. We'll kind of work through that in. More
detail. Just want to give you initial update. An initial
estimate for Bruce county was 6.81% increase. So just a
little taste of operating budget, some more work to be
done and. I'll bring you another report on the 25th
on that rate. Take all your input, please. Add to
this if they're not under meter yet. So I'll send
some information on smart. Has a deficit that carry forward
several years from. Prior management. That they're looking. To clean
up this year. And there's also some capital. Reserve funding
gaps. So smart could potentially be. Increases more significant than
what we've seen over the last couple of years. And
Grace Auto Conservation Authority is building a new building. New
administration center. To meet a oda compliance, and the building
itself is just very bad. So I believe we will
have a delegation, probably. From. This view of Gsu coming.
They'll be. Announced. At every municipality related to that as
well. I'll get you more details. I appreciate that. Can
we go to our clerk, Christine? Just to Marshall contest.
We do have delegation. You will be presenting budget as
well as a discussion about the. Existing building. They've already
set up their draft budget, which. Is. Thank you very
much, Debbie. Mayor. Questions. I've lost track in the last
couple of weeks here on various OB. There's going to
be more information. Than I think they canceled. The more
information. Do we have any more information at all? More
hours of service. Or. More vehicles on the road, or
this is just quite simply an increased more information later.
David ladder more information lack later, okay? All right, other
questions? I do have a motion here. We've added a,
we've added the line, though.
Two minutes. I think we're covered. But we gave some
direction to staff. However, the four points here will cover
that. So the motion is be resolved to Councillor hereby.
Receive the 2025 budget draft one and number two draft
staff. Incorporate any comments and create the November 12, 2025.
Budget public meeting presentation three. Bring back the 2025 what
the draft to Councillor on November 25. 2024. Number four
acknowledge the Municipal Innovation Committee membership to end December 31,
2024. Mover inside of your hand on the floor. Debbie
mershaw and. See those. All those in favor?
Those phones that is carried. This is the time that
the mayor. Treasurer and the team behind all the work
that is being completed and. We see it all summed
up very neatly and tidally. Thank you. It's quite an
amazing document and we really appreciate it. Who is being
presented? So please pass along to everyone that's helping. And
to you, David. It's great that we have. This pre
team area and obviously we rely on council. We will
head to. Five one, two, which is SrFin 20 418
2025. Budget pre approval. On page 50. And our steel.
Emily Dance will take us through the details and the
recommendation. Thank you, Mayor kennel. So what Sam is requesting
at this time? Is to include the 3% wage increase.
For the non union as well as the union staff,
just so that we don't have to backtrack, and then
we can just move forward the 1 January whether the
budget is passed or not. And not have to add
extra SAP. Time to do anything retro. As Councillor is
aware, the union rate is already set at 3%. So
it would be just basically getting the approval for the
3% for non union, which historically. Aaron obviously has always
matched. What the union contract was. And the second. Asked
is for the new staffing request that were just presented
to Councillor that we could move. Forward. With. The recruitment
of the project manager just because. The paid the firewall
Public Works building is starting to move forward with kind
of discussions with Dom as well as the site work.
So we'd like to get that project manager position. Built
as soon as we can so that we wouldn't have
to get them caught up. Thank you very much for
that. Council questions.
Or be a resolve Councillor. Hereby provide free budget rule
for the new part time project manager. And direct staff
to initiate the recruitment process. Two provide free method drill
for the 2025 compensation increase of 3% per union and
nonunion tax. We go secondary to have that on the
floor. Moved by Councillor Steinacar. Seconded by deputy Mayor Shah.
Proceed to the vote. All those in favor? Those opposed?
On page 52. And David. Fox view in regards to
highlight. Of the report. Thank you. Three. Mr. Mayor. So.
The 2023. Audit of our financial statements being performed by
video has been delayed. And I wanted to inform Councillor
that as well as there's going to be extra billing,
and there was extra billing last year. This is the
topic of one meeting that we had. So my job
was to bring it forward. Any additional billing that would
be coming for this year. So I wanted to share
that, those two items with you. So beyond it being
delayed, it's. In the report does cause some pain in
terms of grants being delayed until the financial statements are.
Published and received by the province. So that's one of
the effects of the delay. And. We're working with BDO
to get the audit completed as soon as we can.
So I'll take any questions. Like our agreement with video
to be like our provider for five years. In my
room. Appointment right now that we're doing. Christine's checking, but
I think three. Mr. Marica leader. It's annual, every year.
Praised the beginning of the year. And I kind of
recall seeing, like, a chart. And obviously where I'm going
with this. And. This is frustrating. I was very frustrated
to read this report. This is the second year in
a row, and we had, I know there was some
extenuating, circumstances on our last audit. But. Certainly. Appreciate. Why
do we have an agreement in place with them for
a step c per year if they can't a deliver
to services that. We have contracted to them. And doesn't
seem like they can deliver it. Within the budget either.
I'm quite disappointed to see this. And. I hope that
it's not the result of things on our side, but
we had some stock changes, too, that perhaps are still
affecting this. But. I trust that we're doing? What we
are meaning to from our side. That this is ultimately
not as a result of. Our work here, but it's
more a comment than a question. But feel free to
add. Your thoughts. Maybe I'll chime in with a question.
Do you see? This is happening every year. From now
on? Or do you see this as maybe the last
year? If this happened? We're just tying things up, catching
up. Wire under the bridge. Where you see this? Most
likely every year we're going to be running into this.
I would see where you're going with that is, I
would see. With myself. As the current treasurer, that it
would be less every year and it would be all
tied up. And then a new treasury would come in
eventually and. If there's a gap, there could be some
gaps. I think we need to. Plan to deliver. The
audited financial statements by May 31 in 2025. Because. That
would include. Maybe. Aaron eldersly presenting all the things they
need in a timely fashion. Certainly we've been timely. Every
time they ask for something, we give it to them,
but. If we could get more of a proactive approach
to have everything they need by whatever date. They february
20 eigth, and then they come back by may 31.
I think. It would. Require them to prioritize. Higher than
what we would only look at as experience and say
we haven't been. They may have a different opinion on
that, but that's just what we feel, is that we
don't seem to have the priority of allocation resources. Well,
thank you very much for that, Christina. Shaw's question in
2022. We pointed BDO as our external auditors for 2022
to 2005 fiscal year. Okay. Did I see other hands
up at all? There is a motion being resolved, Councillor,
here by received support that's wrapped in 20 416. For
information regarding the delay in the 2023 financial audit by
BDO and the expected extra expense. When our secondary dabble
on the floor, moved by. Councilor penner. Second and by
Councillor. Sign. Proceed in the oak. All those in favor?
All those carry. That concludes our three report. Any final
words, David, before we get to recon? No, thank you.
Certainly. Thank you. So.
Move by Councillor Nicholson, seconded by. Stephanie shaw. 653 2024.
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Final adjournments. Moved by. Councilor Steinacher. Here's our
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