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Okay, it is uh 2:00 p.m.
We'll call the meeting today, Monday,

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August 24th
of the public property and law

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enforcement committee.
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is uh roll call.
Marcus JMA

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» here.
>> Philip Livingston.

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Philip, are you online?
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Lauren Negro.
>> Jim Schultz

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>> Paul Wilharm

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» here.
>> Thank you.

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Second is approval of the agenda.
>> Wilharm will make a motion to approve

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the agenda.
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» Motion has been made to approve and
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All in favor? Say I.
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Motion carried.
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for for public comment. All right.
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to three minutes per speaker
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minute total time limit. So uh do we
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So
are we going to have her take over? Did

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you want to take over on the meeting or
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» I can take the meeting.
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» Sorry about that. It was a tech issue.
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Okay. So, Adam Baker is the first one
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comment.
>> Did we have a list of everybody? They

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signed in.
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Thank you. And you said Brian

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» Adam Baker.
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to the microphone by you?
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» Can you hear me?
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Excellent. Well, thank you everybody. My
name is Adam Baker. I live in Ashlin

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joining on Zoom. Thank you for having me
today. Um, I'm just a resident coming in

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here to talk to you today about flot
cameras. I've read the county's own

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paperwork and I just like to tell you
what's in it. Ashlin Fox Ashland

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County's flot camera renews on September
10th for another two years and nobody on

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this board voted for it because nobody
could have. I filed the records request

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this July. Chief Deputy Dawson, who's
been very helpful throughout, answered

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that this contract is handled inside the
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I asked whether the county gave notice
to stop it, and his answer was four

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simple words. No notice was given. The
order form he signed requires 30 days.

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For a September 10th renewal, that
deadline was August 11th, and it went by

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quietly. Not saying anybody did anything
proper, no one did anything wrong. I'm

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just saying there was no public step in
it, and that's the part this board can

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change. The other thing in the paperwork
is who can search it. The county's own

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sharing list dated August 17th shows
nationwide search is turned on and names

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different agencies across 38 states who

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have access to this camera's footage.
I'll give the cameras their due. They

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don't use facial recognition and they do
help recover stolen vehicles and help

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with other crimes. But that does not
justify the abuse of privacy and Fourth

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Amendment rights that comes with them.
And to me, it's not even close. When the

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ACLU obtained Maryland plate reader
records, two in every 1,000 scans

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produced a hit of any kind, 0.2%.
And of those, 97% were a suspected

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registration or failed emissions test.
That was Maryland years ago. But the

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same issue remains true of these cameras
today. That means nearly everyone in

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this database is just a neighbor driving
to work. Not a lead, not a suspect. Just

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what the camera caught along the way
will regular people live their lives. No

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warrant, no suspicion, no way to opt
out. That is not a small thing to renew

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without a vote. I know today is a
reported not a vote, and that's exactly

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why I'm asking. Please send the flock
contract to the full county board before

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you set the budget. Thank you and I
appreciate your time.

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» Who do we have next

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» Mara?

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Tomorrow online then?
>> I'm I'm right here in the uh courthouse.

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» Okay.
>> Here in the courthouse.

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» Okay. I'm Tamara Tupesus. I live at 615
Avenue in Ashland, Wisconsin. I'm a

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resident and I have been in touch with
people. I just shook the mayor's hand

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before I came here and I have been in
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Madison is her first name. I can't I'll
butcher her last name. But um these

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folks have been very kind and and uh
receptive to my concerns about the

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eviction of the wildlife just right in
my own little backyard. The state bird,

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three robins nests, more than 14 robins
died since Enbridge has been in since my

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water utility has been changed. Since
the water pressure has been better,

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since my water now smells more like
bleach than water, and I live in the in

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in the most beautiful place in the world
where water should always be a priority,

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not not pushed back and not not uh you
know misjudged as to how much it affects

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everybody. You would not be here for not
this water. That's why this committee is

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here. That's why I have lived here my
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And I think that there is a
mismanagement

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and a not listening by these people who
I go to, I look them in the eye, I get,

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"Oh yeah, I really care. Oh yeah, but
what about this? What about that?"

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The best water system was the Roman
water system. It was clay or just, you

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know, go to your adah in the woods.
Why do we need someone flocking us,

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taking a picture of us, getting our
water, living our lives?

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This is corporations
that are not people that are taking

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charge of our lives insidiously right
here in Ashland, Wisconsin. They are

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coming in and stomping on our rights
and the

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flora, the fauna,
the life.

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This is life. And you are to be
caretakers. We are caretakers.

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Nobody seems to care about my voice. I
speak up every opportunity I have. And I

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want you to listen to me now.

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Take a breath. Enjoy that breath. I
nearly died when the smoke came in.

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I I really felt bad when I smelled all
that bleach in my water in my house, in

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my bathtub that I need to make me feel
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And it's killing me little by little.
And I think we need to take

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responsibility. We are a community. We
are people.

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We're not We're not those other things.
Those other things aren't real.

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This is what's real.
And my experience after being in a water

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family, both my grandfathers worked at
breweries in Milwaukee. Capston Schlitz.

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I know water better than anybody. I ate
more Bradford Beach sand. I lived in

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Cambridge, Wisconsin, where Embridge
blew up my water by my farmland.

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You let these people in and they will
destroy us. They are destroying us now.

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And you're not listening. You're not
paying attention. And this is not

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arbitrary.
This is not flagrant. This is

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responsible citizenship.
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» this is stewardship.
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a three minute time.
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» Sorry. Thank you for your comments.
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» Who is next?

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» Lydia.

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» Good afternoon. My name is Lydia
Christensen. I was born here in Ashlin,

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Wisconsin. I'm a US Senate candidate in
Michigan. Uh I came here to speak on two

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things, both um the flock camera
situation and the Nbridge cooperation

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with the sheriff's department. Um I
would t ask that the board take serious

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consideration of both of the public
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Both come from reputable people who have
made their concerns known. Uh, I would

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like to mention that clock cameras are
very likely unconstitutional. The

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Supreme Court recently ruled that your
phone falls underneath the papers and

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effects of the fourth amendment of the
Constitution of the United States of

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America. Ashlin County will face
potentially lawsuits if they continue to

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violate US citizens constitutional
rights. Additionally, I would like to

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say that the federal courts have ruled
that Enbridge has been trespassing on

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tribal treaty protected land and that it
is absolutely time that the board takes

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the time to reconsider and strip this
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the county.
Whether that means that uh we kick

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Enbridge out of Wisconsin or we kick
Enbridge out of Michigan, they are

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violating treaty rights. It's not even
environmental risk that I'm talking

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about, but the environmental risk is
also documented and very real. Thank

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you.

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» Okay, who is next?
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uh these are uh two two pages each. This
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your neighbors um passed. Um

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we'll try to be brief as I understand 3
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there's not really enough time to
mention all the harassment that's been

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going on uh against local residents uh
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uh a company called SIPs um who is their
security team and how they are being

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directed your law enforcement is being
directed by SIPs to target uh

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individuals and harass individual
citizens. Uh they're parking uh Emirates

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employees are parking in wrongful
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» Yeah.
>> Um could you state your name and your

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address, please?
>> I'm sorry. I'm I'm Matthew Bourke. Um

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I'm not really comfortable with giving
my address at this point in time because

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like I said, um
>> are you an Ashlin resident? Um I am a

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rational resident. Uh
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» Uh
brought out this ordinance because uh I

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also want to notify all of you that the
the agreement that was filed and signed

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by Ashlin County is against Wisconsin
law. Um the Bayfield County did a

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wonderful job of making that agreement
transparent to make sure the officers

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are being taken care of and paid for
their services for extraordinary

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services. Um, we would appreciate that
you scrap the agreement and adopt look

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review this ordinance, support the
adoption of this ordinance, bring it to

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the board of supervisors. This is the
appropriate method to case things

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transparent. Right now, you all seem to
be working behind a veil. um blocking

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all information requests and
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essentially targeting all the local
residents and supporting targeting local

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residents. All the uh uh board of
supervisors was advised of the law

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Wisconsin records law that that
Wisconsin would be um that they would if

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they signed it they would be breaking
Wisconsin law. Um but they approve they

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decided to sign it anyways. I understand
that they were put in a pressure situ

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situation and given 5 days to make this
decision even though their lawyer said,

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"Oh, that's plenty of time through the
weekend." It's really not. You all have

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known about this a long time. I don't
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had been talking about that agreement.
But to drop it on and use threatening

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things to say either you sign this right
now or you're going to be million

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dollars in the hole and we are going to
and Embridge is going to bankrupt you is

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a straightup threat. I've been
threatened by Ember Security. I've been

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stalked by security. I'm not the only
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Every complaint that the residents have
gone to call you on has turned into more

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emage creating stories to target those
people. They're compiling their stories,

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giving multiple things and trying to say
that that

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stopping residents from getting to the
doctor's appointment. when the doctors

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uh when when the local resident gets
angry and and says get the hell out of

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my way, they get the that local resident
gets charged because the Emirbridge

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workers are compiling stories and
conspiring to basically say this guy

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threatened us when in fact these
residents are the one that are live are

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living here. The sheriff's department is
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them to work do things illegally which
means parking on the road. They have

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their own easements. Okay, these are
public roads. Citizens can, you know,

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have access, but Emridge owns these
other roads. They have places to park.

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They're stopping up traffic and making
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Today, I just got back from a situation
where officers were on their easement

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while construction was actively working.
That's an OSHA violation. And if they're

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not wearing their hard hats, their
safety limbs. Every single worker on

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that place knows what those safety
things are. Embridge is not following

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safety, but yet the officers show up and
say, "We're here to enforce safety and

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are keeping people away from the public
lands and the and the and the waterways,

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the publicly accessible waterways that
they can legally stand in." And it's

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been turned into a bully system. And I
would like you to all go home, look at

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this ordinance, pass it up.
I understand whether that agreement can

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be put to the side. All those records
can be opened up because without having

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any transparency, you now are being part
of a conspiracy to target people and I

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don't think you want to put yourself in
that position. So, I would appreciate it

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if you'd look at this. I understand that
the board of supervisors meeting has

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been cancelled this month. Little weird
since they went on an Embridge tour

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instead, but is what it is. Um, so
please review this. Talk to your fellow

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people about it. Please support your
local residents and stop them from

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harassing and targeting and stalking.
Literally, these cars are are driving

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around. I I talked to an one of the
security guys says, "You've been

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following me around for five miles." I
said, "Is that st isn't that stalking?"

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He says, "No, this is what my boss has
told me to do. I they told me to jump in

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the car and start following you around
everywhere." Um, the the the it's not

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just going from that. It's going to
spreading that information to other

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local residents that are getting old
other local residents

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with propaganda saying, "Oh, uh, uh,
drones are dive bombing. This person's

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doing that." There's been no criminal
activity. I like I don't know where

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these rumors are coming from other than
a propaganda piece. Um, thank you for

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your time and I really appreciate you
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» Thank you. Is there anybody else there
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I do not see any.
>> All right. Is there anyone else online

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that wanted to speak?
Anyone online?

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Anyone online?
Okay, seeing none, we can close the

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public comment and move on to reports
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Review the quarterly financials.

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So, Laura, I'm just filling in for Lori
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» Is there somebody from the sheriff's
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» Dave is here.
>> Dave could go ahead and handle that

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then.
>> Okay.

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» Hi there.
Um, so Dave,

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» hi. Um, just looking at the general
ledger here. Um, currently, as you can

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see to the right, the percentage
allocated was, uh, we're we're actually

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doing really good regarding the the
actual budget. Now, granted, we we are,

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uh, without one position in recreation
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as the actual allocated budget, we're
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now, um I know um when we look at the
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doing good. We have to send
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the year to training.
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already extended um the allowable time
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state. So um we're going to see some
numbers end of this year and then

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beginning of next year when it when it
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but after those four come back, we
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really good actually with uh our jail
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>> are we fully staffed in the jail then?

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» Yes, ma'am. Yes, we are. [clears throat]

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» I know there's a I think one kitchen
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but
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as far as correctional goes.
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one resation.
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he's uh he's moving to another county.
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spot will be available or open. So there
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um a promotion and then one jailer spot
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um I think he is due I think beginning
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» So um I don't want to I just need to
interrupt you for a second. Can we move

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the camera over to point at Dave just
for a little housekeeping thing?

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» Sorry.
>> It's okay. You got a lot to do.

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There he is. He's sitting in my chair.
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Okay, Dave, you can go on.
>> Okay. [laughter]

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Um,
anything else as far as the budgetary

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issues? I I I don't believe we have a
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staffing. Um,
I know that we are we're doing pretty

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good with the numbers we have. Um,
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Did anybody else have any questions for
Dave on that budget piece?

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This is
kind of us reviewing.

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» This is Jim here. Uh,
>> okay. Is there any anything on here

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comparing,
you know, like last year? Uh any running

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totals, uh comparisons? Uh
obviously things are probably going up.

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» Yeah, cost of things are going up. Um
the biggest hit we'll take for next year

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will be the health care costs within the
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I think it's projected 5% increase.
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obviously we can't predict accidents,
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costs will go up. Food obviously,
gasoline um for the squad cars.

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Um yeah, all those things we kind of can
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are limited right now as far as um 2027.
I don't um I did have the 2026 versus

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2027 and we are on we are still
um we're still above where we were for

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last year. So, we're doing pretty good.
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open positions last year in the jail.
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so yeah, we're we're doing pretty good.

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Is there any other questions for Dave on
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Well, at least Jim asked a question this
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so moving on is courthouse maintenance
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[clears throat and cough] I believe last
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the main breaker panel um and our our uh
solar system. Still waiting on quotes

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for the solar system. I did reach out to
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actually some other project
projects [clears throat] that they're

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working on for the county. Um
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hiccups. Um we did have an a capacitor
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the attic, but I was able to fix that
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Um, as far as that, uh, looking forward
just shortly here beginning prepared for

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the winter and no other hiccups as of
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hope it just stays that way,
>> right?

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It's always the goal. Um, did you know
if they are looking for grants to help

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with the solar?
I believe that'll be on the table once

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we actually get a price for updating it.
It's been a bit of a chore for him

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because it's an outdated system. So,
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almost redesigning the whole system if
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» Wonderful.
>> Sounds really sounds really cheap and

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easy like
>> Exactly. [laughter]

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» Um,
anything else you need to highlight?

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» Not as of right now. Oh, I think we're I
think that's about it.

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» Any of the committee members have any
questions?

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Hearing none, we will move on to the
sheriff department reports.

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Dave, you got that one, too?
>> Yes, ma'am.

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» Go ahead and shoot.
>> Okay. Okay. So, these numbers are

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because we
these numbers aren't completely, you

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know, complete as far as, you know,
we're still in August and I switched the

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and usually September the end of
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» Yeah.
>> Um, so they're just they're preliminary.

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Um, obviously I'll adjust them for our
next meeting. So, this is just strictly

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July through August 17th.
>> Okay.

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» All right. So, totals uh 31 arrest, uh
11 referred to prosecution,

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161 citations,
117 complaints to investigate, and 1,428

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calls for service.
Total number of bookings so far, uh 121

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as of last week.
Uh 31 is our current average

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for this quarter.

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See, looks like one transport,
eight hours for a total mileage of 526.

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Year-to- date mileage, 4,270.

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Zero juvenile transports.
Seven other wants and warrant

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transports.
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uh, 2,867.
year to date, it's 15,998.

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And these transports are anything that's
court-ordered

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um
warrant picking up or from uh the

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prisons to bring back for court dates
and etc. Um current uh number of inmates

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being boarded is one and current uh
number of inmates on electronic monitors

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three.

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And that is all for the report.
Um, has any of these numbers gone up

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with
us having to do

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assist with the Nbridge project?
Uh, calls for service. Yes. Uh, we've

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had some increase um with calls for
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regarding anything from a 911 call to an
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um, we have seen some increase.

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Okay. Um, for Excuse me, that was a good
squeak. Um, for the next time I'd like

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to see those calls separated out on this
spreadsheet so that way we know what

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kind of calls and issues we're having
through that so we can compare.

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» You're saying separate the calls for
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» to the Enbridge.
>> Okay.

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and then um

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and then the breakdown um who is like
have that separated out for if there is

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people that get arrested or referred for
to court for charges and such. Um does

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anybody else have any [clears throat]
boy I got another squeak. Uh, does

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anybody else have another qu any
questions on

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the
law enforcement report?

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All right,
next is the fun part, the flat cameras.

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So,
you want to give us a good rundown on

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that? Because I thought we didn't own
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Uh yes, we have currently one camera
in contract with Flock. Uh that camera

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is on 13 and 77 intersection in the city
of Melon. The sheriff last year the

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sheriff approached the city of Melon and
asked for permission to place that

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camera within the city limits
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I can tell you uh I doing some record
requests with Adam Baker who's online um

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» very transparent you know I understand
the concern I also understand the

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importance of the the tool that's being
used um I can tell you from doing audits

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that the last person besides myself to
touch or log into Flock from our agency

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was mid July.
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I can tell you in June, I believe it was
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uh mid June that camera did help solve a
incident and within the city of limits

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of Melon where an individual did fire
a firearm.

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Um an offduty officer was walking with
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Um, within 30 seconds, dispatch was able
to give other responding units that

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plate information and vehicle
description. Um, Adam did mention, Adam

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Baker online did mention that, you know,
to its credit, you know, Flock does not

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take pictures of people.
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I understand the importance of people
realizing that, you know, it's a it's a

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fixed position on it. You know, that
camera does not move. Um, there's no

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facial recognition as Adam pointed out.
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monthly I do an audit. basically the the
large numbers that I gave Adam because I

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gave Adam everything from January I
think to

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current of the network it's called where
other agencies

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they utilize a search function called
nationwide search.

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um that search is that if they're
looking for a missing person and there's

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an amber alert, a silver alert, a green
alert, um

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they can type in that plate or partial
and it basically searches all those

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cameras within that designated s area
that they actually designate they want

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to search. So there is some large
numbers.

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It doesn't tell me if that plate that
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our camera. It just says that our camera
was used in that search.

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when it comes to that tool
there is potential for being overabused

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and I understand that completely and
that's why you know with

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audits with policy
we limit that potential.

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Um
but with with our agency of 20 sworn or

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19 sworn currently um the last person
besides myself was

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mid last month that that actually logged
in. Um I can tell you we don't have time

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to search it for just randomly. Um,
and there was four incidences I believe

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that was kind of like
I guess the most searched reason why.

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One was welfare, one was theft, one was
traffic violations,

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and I believe the other one was
uh criminal damage to property. They

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were searching for a car that they had a
description of. They type in a

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description, not a plate, and they get a
a slew,

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which requires the work still to be un
done on the investigator or whoever's

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searching. But it kind of helps that
tool helps um especially in a rural area

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investigation wise.

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» So on these reports that you pull, it
tells what reason they searched.

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» Yeah.
Yes, ma'am. So, I required when we got

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the cameras, I required them to actually
put in a case number and a reason why

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they're searching. So, it gives me who
searched it within the organization,

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why, when, what they searched, and you
know, what time they searched. Um,

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they're required to do a double uh
authentic modification, this MA MFA,

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before they actually access the account.
So it's yeah it's it's pretty locked

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down as far as that goes.
>> So mostly all those numbers that Adam

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had spoke about it's other people
searching our cameras.

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» Yes ma'am. So that so when they do a
nationwide search and and they select

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that geographic area whether it be
Midwest or just nationwide

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um our camera is included in those
searches.

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but it won't tell me if they've actually
got a result from our camera.

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Um, for instance, um, we'll get calls
from neighboring counties. Um, examples

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is Iron County was dealing with someone
who was suicidal.

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Um, they left their parents' house. Um
and the camera picked them up coming

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back towards their parents' house. Um
threats of a firearm. Um well, there was

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a firearm in inside the motorcycle sadd
uh saddle bag, but um they were able to

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respond back to the house because they
knew sort of the direction that he would

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be going where our camera was placed. So
they were able to get there, you know,

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and that essentially helped that person
out before something bad happened.

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So that's another c that's that's just
an example of another county using our

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camera when they did a nationwide search
on it helped them. Um,

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so every place that uses these cameras
has to have a contract with Flock.

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Uh yes, with FA requires a contract. Um
usually it's the

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what I've seen is three years. Um it's
an auto renewal.

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Um basically the first year and then it
auto renews. There's no signatory, you

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know, requirements. There's no it auto,
you know, auto renews. Um

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yeah.
How long is this data kept?

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» Uh what specific data are you asking?
>> So if there's scans on this,

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so
is it a week's worth of license plates?

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Is it a month's worth of license plates?
30 days.

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30 days.
And then everything's deleted.

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I can't say what if it's deleted on
their part because the data is kept with

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flock. We have access to all the data
but it's it's not kept locally.

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» Is there a contract with this that we
could see also with flock?

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» Yeah, I provided uh Adam as well the
same contract. I can send it to you

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guys.
>> That would be cool.

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Um,

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and then my audits, just so you know, my
audits go back longer than that

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as far as access to the system locally,
our access.

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00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:01,599
» Okay.
>> So, just flock only contract with law

429
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:08,079
enforcement.
>> No, they do they do businesses. They do

430
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:11,440
» Okay. Uh HOAs, they do
>> township governments.

431
00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:15,760
» Yeah, they do townships. Um
>> Okay.

432
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:24,640
» Yeah.
>> So what HOA could access our camera?

433
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:30,320
» No. I So I limit So what I did was they
have to they have to ask or share. So

434
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:38,480
what I did was I there's only one
federal entity that's listed um that I

435
00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:42,480
allow access to. It's um it's a fed it's
um

436
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:49,839
believe it's out of Indiana or Illinois.
It's um

437
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:56,000
it's a park service. Um but
federal entities can't ask. I I blocked

438
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:59,240
the their requests. So, it's it's just
law enforcement

439
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:06,640
that ask for us and like um you have
other

440
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:13,520
you have other entities uh fusion
centers, Haida centers um that ask for

441
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:18,839
requests, but
that's all blocked.

442
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,839
» All law enforcement. Yeah.

443
00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:26,400
» When did we take over that camera in
Maryland?

444
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:33,680
September
of last year, I think it went it went

445
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:38,800
live. It took were several planning
issues that they had to deal with for

446
00:40:35,839 --> 00:40:44,119
the state, but um I [clears throat]
think it went live September area.

447
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:57,119
And so this policy has been in place for
about a year. No, not this policy.

448
00:40:55,040 --> 00:41:03,359
» This one I This one I kind of revised. I
added my job title on it. Basically,

449
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:11,760
» second page you'll see where it says
chief deputy. Yeah, it says

450
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:18,079
revise it if we needed. I kind of it's
put myself out, you know, for as far as

451
00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:22,560
responsibility goes. Um
kind of made it where I'm responsible

452
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:26,000
for the audits. Yeah,
>> you're in trouble.

453
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:30,480
» Yeah.
>> And this has been reviewed by corporate

454
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:37,480
council.
>> No, this this policy um this policy is

455
00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:37,480
from Lexiple.

456
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:43,400
It's basically one of their good
practice policies.

457
00:41:46,319 --> 00:41:55,280
There's several policies that Lexiful We
use Lexiful for all of our law

458
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:58,640
enforcement policies. Uh some are state
mandatory,

459
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:07,000
federal
and then there's good practice. So this

460
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:07,000
is one of their good practice policies.

461
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:14,079
And when I
>> So when I asked you about our flock

462
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:17,240
cameras before and you said we didn't
have any

463
00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:23,599
» when
um

464
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:29,200
we've had
>> sometime early this summer.

465
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:32,319
» We've had one since September of last
year.

466
00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:37,720
» Okay. Okay.
So,

467
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,720
and where it says ALPR,

468
00:42:38,319 --> 00:42:48,920
this policy also incorporates, which we
don't have, but it also incorporates

469
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,920
license plates readers within vehicles.

470
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,960
So

471
00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:07,839
is why did we take over this camera
if we didn't have it previous any

472
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:13,599
previously?
We didn't take over a camera. We entered

473
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:17,599
into a contract with Flock. The sheriff
>> the administration just basically they

474
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:21,839
asked for permission from the city of
Melon to place the camera within the

475
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:24,839
city limits.
>> Wow.

476
00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:33,920
» Hasn't that camera been there for like
ever?

477
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:38,359
» Yeah. It just wasn't operational.
>> Oh, so is a fake camera.

478
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:48,160
a fancy flashing camera.
>> It It has some issues with battery life

479
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:50,319
because, as you know, our sunshine
doesn't

480
00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:55,400
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

481
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,400
» Fun.

482
00:43:55,920 --> 00:44:04,880
Does anyone else on the committee have
any questions about the flat camera?

483
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:10,160
» Paul here. I'm wondering are there any
more flock camera locations under

484
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:16,000
consideration at this time?
>> No. Flock wanted us to get more. They

485
00:44:14,319 --> 00:44:20,960
actually for they were trying to force
us to get three more. Their policy was

486
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:26,400
they wanted they wanted every agency to
have at least four and we told them no.

487
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:31,040
The sheriff was very adamant that if if
we had to get more that we were going to

488
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:37,280
cancel. So,
>> thank you. Yes, sir.

489
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:40,160
Is there a monthly fee, yearly? Is it
free?

490
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:44,319
» It's not free. It's not free,
unfortunately. It's It's 3,000 annually.

491
00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:47,319
3,000.
>> What?

492
00:44:55,520 --> 00:45:03,200
Is there any more questions from the
committee on the flat cameras?

493
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,200
All

494
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:16,680
right, hearing none,
just scroll back up to the agenda.

495
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,680
Um,

496
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:24,400
Gail administration,
we don't really have Matt anymore, but

497
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:28,359
that report
kind of did that already.

498
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:36,599
Who's in jail?
So, this stuff is out of order.

499
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:45,480
» Anything else on jail administration,
Dave?

500
00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:45,480
» No, ma'am.

501
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:53,800
» Um, then let's go on to Christina for
emergency management.

502
00:45:54,960 --> 00:46:04,880
» Hello, Christina. emergency management
um hazard mitigation plan. We got a

503
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:09,839
resolution in June for that. It has been
turned into FEMA to be finalized. Um the

504
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:15,040
whole process has been delayed several
times due to government shutdowns and um

505
00:46:13,359 --> 00:46:18,720
but it is on the road to being
finalized.

506
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:23,599
Um consolidated PAP, they're looking for
a new director.

507
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:27,760
Um the current one is now that
everything is pretty much smoothed out

508
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:32,800
and they're running quite well, she is
looking to um step down and have someone

509
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:36,880
else take that role full-time. Um they
recently added a new program that helps

510
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:43,839
dispatchers with life-saving directions
for callers until EMS gets there. Um, so

511
00:46:40,319 --> 00:46:48,560
far they've had several lifaving success
stories where the dispatcher was able to

512
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:55,680
um
give the caller directions on different

513
00:46:52,800 --> 00:47:05,200
um CPR and things like that and holding
pressure and um so that's exciting. Um

514
00:47:00,319 --> 00:47:10,720
EPCRA and EMPG grants. EMPG.
Last year, um Wisconsin Emergency

515
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:14,880
Management had to file a lawsuit to
receive the funding for the full year of

516
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:18,880
2025.
Um they won that lawsuit, so we are

517
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:24,880
receiving the full funding for last
year. Um the application for this year's

518
00:47:22,319 --> 00:47:28,720
funding just came out on Friday. Um I'm
almost done with that application. It's

519
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:35,119
due at the end of September, but it
should be done by tomorrow. Um, I also

520
00:47:32,319 --> 00:47:39,200
applied for the EPRA computer hazmat
grant that was submitted last month. We

521
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:46,079
should be receiving the award letter
soon. Um, this grant is a yearly grant

522
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:50,560
that I apply for. Um, $2,000 goes
towards emergency management to be used

523
00:47:48,079 --> 00:47:57,680
to update computer equipment and then
$6,000 of that grant is for our hazmat

524
00:47:53,839 --> 00:48:01,440
team which is at the um Ashlin Fire
Department.

525
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:07,839
So, that has been applied for and we'll
be hearing about that soon. Um outreach,

526
00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:12,079
I assisted with clean sweep. I helped
plan the um all county employee picnic,

527
00:48:10,319 --> 00:48:20,240
helped with the Ashlin County Sheriff's
Department with National Night Out. Um I

528
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:26,920
had the Genesis emergency alert flyers
um around the Ashlin County Fair, hoping

529
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:26,920
to get more people to sign up for that.

530
00:48:27,359 --> 00:48:35,119
Um, as far as training goes, I completed
all the know before internet trainings,

531
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:39,200
completed public information basics.
It's a class by Wisconsin emergency

532
00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:43,520
management. I completed the emergency
operations center organization and

533
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:48,000
coordination methods from Wisconsin
emergency management. I did the joint

534
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:51,599
information center planning for tribal,
state, and local public information

535
00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:58,559
officers. That was also through
Wisconsin emergency management.

536
00:48:54,640 --> 00:49:05,599
I completed a livestock response
with WHEM. Um I completed a project

537
00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:11,520
lifesaver training and I also completed
coordinated response exercise with the

538
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:15,359
pipeline safety program. I attended all
the Northwest Regional Wisconsin

539
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:19,920
Emergency Management monthly meetings
which is a grant requirement. I attended

540
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:24,040
all fire association and EMS council
meetings. I attended

541
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:31,359
um
meetings with the preparedness planning

542
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:37,359
group and I also met with Ashton Health
and Human Services about shelters.

543
00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:44,720
Um, as far as
major grants and funding, the Senate

544
00:49:39,839 --> 00:49:48,720
appropriations bill for 3,155,000
for the emergency services radio

545
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:53,119
infrastructure project was earmarked
earmarked for Ashen County working

546
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:59,359
closely with Sheriff Subkey, Chief
Deputy Dawson, Erica

547
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:02,880
Hannacle, and Caroline Twambbley. We
submitted the two applications to the

548
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:08,720
part to the Department of Homeland
Security COPS grant office for review.

549
00:50:05,599 --> 00:50:15,839
We should be um hearing about that in
October.

550
00:50:11,359 --> 00:50:18,880
So that's my summer in a nutshell.
You always give a good long report.

551
00:50:18,274 --> 00:50:23,760
[laughter]
Busy busy busy.

552
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:26,760
Does anyone have any questions for
Christina?

553
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:35,400
Next is Enbridge updates.

554
00:50:35,599 --> 00:50:46,480
Don't know who has that one.
Would that be a Dan update which we

555
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:51,359
would table to the next meeting?
>> I suppose it would be

556
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:57,680
either that or the sheriff, but neither
one is there. So,

557
00:50:54,000 --> 00:51:04,640
all right, let's move on to approval of
the meeting minutes from June 29th. Do I

558
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:08,040
have a motion for that or any
any corrections?

559
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:17,839
» Jim will make a motion.
>> Do we have a second?

560
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:22,559
» Will harm second.
Have a motion and a second.

561
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:27,640
To approve the meeting minutes. All
those in favor, please signify by saying

562
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,640
I.

563
00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:35,599
Nobody used their mics.
>> They all said I. They did use their

564
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:40,880
mics.
>> Naughty, naughty, naughty.

565
00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:48,240
Um,
and then we've got a solar panels on

566
00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:48,240
County Property Farm Road.

567
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:56,960
I suppose that's a Dan thing again.
>> Laura, this is Pat Kenny.

568
00:51:55,920 --> 00:52:02,800
» Yep.
>> Um, I can speak to this one. Um, back on

569
00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:08,240
February 17th, I brought to a zoning
meeting a discussion of considering

570
00:52:04,720 --> 00:52:12,400
putting solar uh panels um expanding the
Ordo solar farm that's out there. In

571
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:18,000
2019,
um, Excel Energy, um, put in a community

572
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:23,040
solar garden there. Um, and they use a
company, One Energy out of Madison to

573
00:52:19,839 --> 00:52:30,240
put that in. It's a 1 megawatt DC or 7
megawatt AC solar farm. The county owns

574
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:33,599
20 acres adjacent to that. And so one of
the things I've been thinking about as

575
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:38,559
we look at our comp plans and we talk
about climate change, sustainability,

576
00:52:36,319 --> 00:52:43,680
getting off fossil fuels, being more
independent on local energy, and from an

577
00:52:41,599 --> 00:52:47,920
economic development standpoint,
producing more of our energy here. The

578
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:52,160
Bayfront Power Plant Nation only
produces about half the energy

579
00:52:49,839 --> 00:52:56,079
electricity that we use here. In the
next couple years, they're going to

580
00:52:53,280 --> 00:53:00,160
start their planning process to uh make
improvements and upgrades there. So from

581
00:52:58,319 --> 00:53:03,920
an economic development standpoint, you
know, one of the things I think about

582
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:09,760
is, you know, we send money outside this
area for the electricity that we use. We

583
00:53:07,119 --> 00:53:16,160
don't keep those local jobs here. So if
we expand this on that county parcel,

584
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:20,800
JMA Electric has uh people that are
wellversed with solar

585
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:25,520
um farms at this point to equipment and
talent. So it would support some local

586
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:30,559
jobs there. The county has owned that
parcel for about 20 years. We let a

587
00:53:27,599 --> 00:53:36,559
farmer hay that parcel. The company that
would install the solar farm, we have a

588
00:53:33,119 --> 00:53:41,680
proposal from them to use 15 acres of
that. The other five are probably too

589
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:48,960
wet. They would pay us $800 per acre per
year. So that's $12,000 annually rent on

590
00:53:45,359 --> 00:53:53,440
that parcel with 2% annual increases, a
30-year lease with an option for

591
00:53:50,720 --> 00:53:57,839
additional 10 years.
So, it would support some jobs, would

592
00:53:55,920 --> 00:54:03,359
address some of our goals with climate
change. The county would still own the

593
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:06,880
parcel. Um, and then generation down the
road, if the county wanted to build

594
00:54:04,720 --> 00:54:13,040
something there, the county would still
have um that parcel.

595
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:18,000
Back in December, I got a packet of
information from a company wanted to put

596
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:22,640
in a utility scale solar farm with my
property east of Mason, the farmland I

597
00:54:20,079 --> 00:54:27,599
own. um with my place literally as a
center of that. So that sent me down the

598
00:54:24,720 --> 00:54:31,920
road of doing a lot of reading. When you
look at aerial maps for northern

599
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:38,000
Wisconsin and think um kind of north of
Spooner, there's not a lot of farm

600
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:41,680
fields compared to Woods and then you
have to look at where the high voltage

601
00:54:39,599 --> 00:54:48,240
power lines are. My property has one
high voltage power line post on it. Um

602
00:54:45,359 --> 00:54:52,640
and so they want to buy 15 to 20 acres
just for a new substation and battery

603
00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:56,960
storage. So in Ashland they're proposing
battery storage as part of that too. So

604
00:54:55,359 --> 00:55:01,599
when you look at where the high voltage
power lines are and the distribution

605
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:05,599
lines off the high voltage power lines
um and then where substations are many

606
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:11,920
of which are not adequate to put in a
solar farm. Um, there's very few places

607
00:55:09,599 --> 00:55:18,079
up here where we have the ability to put
in a solar farm without a larger

608
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:24,079
investment or local land owners agreeing
to say yes to that. Um, this is one of

609
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:29,040
the few places up here where the
economics work. It's small, but there

610
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:34,079
just aren't going to be that many places
where someone's going to say yes to this

611
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:37,839
and it would connect to either a high
voltage power line or a distribution

612
00:55:35,839 --> 00:55:43,040
line, which is the one where Excel
Energy has the solar farm right now. So

613
00:55:41,359 --> 00:55:46,480
there's limited places that we could put
this and I realize it means that we

614
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:50,880
can't use it for something else in the
next generation but anything we would

615
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:56,960
build in terms of buildings there's a
lot more options for that than for

616
00:55:54,000 --> 00:56:01,760
putting solar somewhere. So I guess to
me I mean you know without going into

617
00:55:58,799 --> 00:56:06,960
more detail than that and more of the
the reason for making the case I guess

618
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:10,160
you know like a few people in this room
I'm old enough that we've talked about

619
00:56:08,559 --> 00:56:14,000
comp plans for longer than I can
remember. We know most of them get stuck

620
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:18,400
on the shelf and forgotten.
And when we look at our comp plans and

621
00:56:15,839 --> 00:56:23,680
the updates that we're working on, to
me, this seems to check a lot of boxes

622
00:56:20,319 --> 00:56:28,319
in terms of what we say we value.
You know, we all use oil yet, or almost

623
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:33,200
all of us do. I bike here, but I mean, I
still have vehicles with fuel, so I

624
00:56:30,799 --> 00:56:38,400
understand why we have an Enbridge oil
line running through here. I understand

625
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:43,599
that. Um, but if we're going to change
things in the next generation, then we

626
00:56:41,119 --> 00:56:47,599
need to be willing to do some things
like I mean, I realize this is a small

627
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:53,520
project compared to our total needs for
energy. But, you know, we should provide

628
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:57,359
some leadership on this um rather than
just put it something in writing and say

629
00:56:55,280 --> 00:57:01,760
somebody else should do it because I
will tell you as a land owner, I don't

630
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:06,079
want somebody else telling me what I can
and can't do with my land. the law will

631
00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:11,280
specify certain things I can and can't
do, but I want to be able to do with my

632
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:15,359
land what I choose. Um, and I am open to
having a utility scale solar farm there

633
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:20,319
if they can pull enough land together,
which means 700 acres or more. And if

634
00:57:18,079 --> 00:57:25,200
they can't do utility scale, and the
PSC, the public service commission, um,

635
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:29,680
does the permitting for utility scale.
Smaller than that, um, it would be the

636
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:34,319
county that would do the zoning. on this
project because it lands in the city

637
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:38,160
limits. The city would do the zoning.
So, to me, it's partly the question, are

638
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:43,280
we going to do some of what we talk
about? Um, or are we not going to do

639
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:47,520
some of what we talk about? And for me
personally, out on my land, which is Old

640
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:51,760
Lake Superior shoreline on the higher
ground. It's not suitable for roll crops

641
00:57:49,599 --> 00:57:56,319
anymore. Too much wind erosion, loss of
organic matter. It can't take farming

642
00:57:54,000 --> 00:58:00,319
anymore. Not with row crops. It's got to
be in hay, but nobody wants to put it in

643
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:05,440
hay. It's not worth the money on that
ground. So for the land, it's going to

644
00:58:02,799 --> 00:58:09,280
be better off in solar farm than it is
with row crops. There's land out there

645
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:13,839
that's just bare, doesn't grow anything
anymore, and it gets worse each year. So

646
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:19,040
I'm willing to say yes to a solar farm
on my land because it makes sense in the

647
00:58:16,799 --> 00:58:24,799
big picture of things.
So I could take some questions on this,

648
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:28,799
Laura, if that's okay, if anyone wants.
um the February 17th packet for zoning.

649
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:32,640
I wrote some questions, sent them to the
administrator. They were not in the

650
00:58:30,799 --> 00:58:38,160
packet there. So, I pulled up my
questions for that meeting and there was

651
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:43,520
not an agenda bill written for this one.
So, um I understand that nobody had

652
00:58:41,359 --> 00:58:48,400
anything to read on this item, which is
why I came to this meeting, but um if

653
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:53,920
the chair will allow questions, I'd be
happy to answer whatever I could.

654
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:59,599
Is there any questions from the
committee?

655
00:58:56,079 --> 00:59:05,119
» What's the cost for installation?
>> The company One Energy did the current

656
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:10,559
solar farm there and
when I talked to the administrator about

657
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:15,920
this um we both were in agreement that
we did not want to own the solar farm.

658
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:22,480
So under the proposal here, one energy
would install the solar farm and then

659
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:26,640
sell the project to Excel Energy. So the
first step in this is we would enter

660
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:31,280
into an agreement terms of an agreement
with one energy so they can access the

661
00:59:29,119 --> 00:59:36,480
land the person from one energy who
lives in Madison and ironically his dad

662
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:41,440
decided to live in Ashland. So when he
was up in June visiting he walked the

663
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:48,960
property and he thinks 15 acres are
suitable. five he thinks are too wet for

664
00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:54,400
what they want to do. Um so he would
examine the property more closely. I

665
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:58,319
asked him for zoning, do you need to go
through the city on zoning first before

666
00:59:56,480 --> 01:00:03,680
we can finalize a contract? And the
answer is yes because they've got to

667
01:00:00,319 --> 01:00:09,040
make sure that um the city will say yes
to this and then think setbacks for

668
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:12,880
example from roads and other things. Um
so given there's one solar farm there we

669
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:18,240
would anticipate you know the same
guidelines for zoning but still that has

670
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:23,280
to go forward through the city. So, One
Energy would build the project and then

671
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:27,599
sell the project. And once they get to a
point where they know what they can put

672
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:31,520
in there um in terms of solar, so what
it'll generate and when they'll be able

673
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:37,359
to connect it, they'll sign an
interconnection agreement. And in that

674
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:40,720
agreement, Excel will then buy the
project. They'll know what it'll

675
01:00:38,799 --> 01:00:45,520
generate in terms of how much
electricity. So, One Energy and Excel

676
01:00:43,359 --> 01:00:50,160
will work on that piece. We will simply
lease the land to them. We will not own

677
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:54,559
the solar farm. We will not be
responsible for maintenance. Currently

678
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:59,200
on the solar farm there, JOMA Electric
does the maintenance. That's worked out

679
01:00:56,079 --> 01:01:04,480
well for One Energy and they would hire
Joma Electric also to do the maintenance

680
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:09,319
on this if we expand onto the county
land. We would simply be leasing the

681
01:01:06,319 --> 01:01:09,319
land

682
01:01:10,799 --> 01:01:17,599
unless the board decides they would
rather own it. But putting that in is a

683
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:23,359
rather heavy lift on investment.
>> So basically what you're saying it'd be

684
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:25,440
roughly 12,000 per year paid to the
county.

685
01:01:24,559 --> 01:01:30,640
» The county
>> and the county would have to sign a

686
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:33,440
10-year lease or what how would that
work?

687
01:01:31,119 --> 01:01:38,160
» The first step in this is we would sign
an agreement that they could access the

688
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:43,119
land, work on developing the project u
for up to 18 months. Um, and the big

689
01:01:41,599 --> 01:01:46,960
takeaway there is we're not going to
call somebody else and say, "Hey, you

690
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:53,040
know, are you interested in this?" And
then having two companies looking at the

691
01:01:48,799 --> 01:01:55,839
same land because then at most one, you
know, could end up putting a solar farm

692
01:01:54,480 --> 01:02:01,119
there. So, we would give them exclusive
rights for up to 18 months to be on the

693
01:01:58,559 --> 01:02:05,359
land, examine it, work with the city to
get through zoning, and work towards

694
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:10,640
getting an interconnection agreement.
and the interconnection agreements. Um

695
01:02:08,079 --> 01:02:17,599
the information on our high voltage
power lines, the loads etc. is fairly

696
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:23,599
closely held information and it's partly
for national security reasons. So we

697
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:26,799
cannot simply go oh you know give us all
the data on the high voltage power

698
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:32,160
lines. I know the line that runs across
my property is 161 kilovolt but I don't

699
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:36,319
know how much more capacity there is to
add a load there. I did ask the company

700
01:02:34,079 --> 01:02:41,119
I'm talking to, are you going to have to
upgrade that power line? And it's rather

701
01:02:38,559 --> 01:02:44,960
amazing what what they know about my
property. They've researched mine in the

702
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:49,760
neighbors.
And he said, "We know that it's going to

703
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:54,480
cost us, and I won't share the number,
um, but it's in the millions to upgrade

704
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:58,319
that power line that runs there." And I
said, "Well, I've got an easement and it

705
01:02:56,319 --> 01:03:05,280
specifies the number of arms on those
posts and the number of wires." So

706
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:09,119
larger diameter wires can carry more
power. He said, "Well, we're going to

707
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:11,520
have to put on bigger arms. There still
be three arms, but they're going to be

708
01:03:10,319 --> 01:03:15,920
bigger and they're going to be larger
diameter wires." So another factor in

709
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:19,359
this, if we think about it, if half of
our electricity comes from outside the

710
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:24,400
area, and personally, I'm not worried
about data centers because why would you

711
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:28,160
bring that much power here if we only
have half of what we already need? It's

712
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:33,039
not cost-effective.
So, you know, if we don't want bigger

713
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:37,039
power lines and we don't want more power
lines running, it means we need more

714
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:41,760
local generation also. But in all
likelihood,

715
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:48,319
we're going to have a bigger bigger arms
and bigger diameter wires, you know,

716
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:52,480
running through that line. Um, so, but
then you have to put in a large enough

717
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:56,880
solar farm to justify the price tag of
upgrading that power line and putting in

718
01:03:55,119 --> 01:04:03,599
a substation with battery storage. It's
going to be 10 or 15 acres. This one

719
01:03:59,359 --> 01:04:07,440
here, one of the things I thought about
was when they put that one in there, it

720
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:11,680
demonstrated that they had the capacity
on that distribution line to connected

721
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:15,200
to their substation and do the
distribution locally. They also knew the

722
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:19,760
power plant here didn't produce all of
our energy. So, it turns out they can

723
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:25,680
use the existing substation and
infrastructure they have in place to add

724
01:04:22,319 --> 01:04:30,160
on to Ordoc Solar with what the county
has in their property without having to

725
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:34,880
upgrade power lines somewhere or put in
a new substation, which pretty quickly

726
01:04:32,319 --> 01:04:40,160
gets to be not cost effective unless you
can pull enough land together, which for

727
01:04:37,359 --> 01:04:45,839
the most part up here is difficult. And
the few land owners that have enough

728
01:04:42,079 --> 01:04:52,079
land to put something large in are our
dairy farmers on Samurn Avenue, Highway

729
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:57,200
112, if they want to exit dairy farming,
they could l rent rent that land out or

730
01:04:54,960 --> 01:05:04,599
over my neck of the woods, White River
Egg. Um, but even then, they need more

731
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:04,599
land than just that for utility scale.

732
01:05:04,799 --> 01:05:13,280
And this offer of $800 an acre,
the offer that I've been made is $800 an

733
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:17,520
acre, but that's a large solar farm. And
if you read the return on investments on

734
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:21,599
these utility scale solar farms with the
information you can find from them

735
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:27,039
around the country. What we have right
now is I call it the wild wild west of

736
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:32,000
putting in solar farms. There are deep
pocketed investors and speculators

737
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:36,480
um trying to put these in because of the
return on investment. They pay off in 10

738
01:05:33,599 --> 01:05:41,359
to 12 years typically. And yet the life
is for 30 years with extensions that can

739
01:05:38,559 --> 01:05:45,520
go five and 10 more years up to 50 years
and more. So we can I don't think we're

740
01:05:44,079 --> 01:05:48,720
going to get utility scale unless it's
my neck of the woods because we don't

741
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:52,720
have enough land here. And the company
I'm talking to, they've looked at Ashlin

742
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:57,039
County. They don't see the possibility
of utility scale here and being able to

743
01:05:54,960 --> 01:06:01,839
pull together that much land where
there's a high voltage power line that's

744
01:05:59,119 --> 01:06:07,280
suitable. something smaller perhaps but
not the large stuff. I think we can be

745
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:12,480
proactive if we did this project and
learn more. I think we can be proactive

746
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:17,280
on trying to identify some other areas
that are private lands and see if other

747
01:06:15,119 --> 01:06:23,200
people are interested. This offer of
$800 an acre for a small project like

748
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:27,039
this. I was really shocked because
that's what they normally pay for larger

749
01:06:25,359 --> 01:06:33,280
projects where the return on investment
is bigger. this one because the existing

750
01:06:30,079 --> 01:06:36,319
structure there. Yes.
>> Is that what you were offered per acre

751
01:06:35,119 --> 01:06:43,680
for yours?
>> I'm also offered 800 per acre. Um, but

752
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:48,720
the return on investment in larger ones
is better, but this one can tag on to

753
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:56,240
what's already there. So, they're able
to offer the $800 per acre there also.

754
01:06:53,359 --> 01:07:01,680
and both XL Energy and One Energy would
put it in both in separate conversations

755
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:06,079
described it as a nice project. Um
>> Okay. But you haven't approached them

756
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:09,200
about the county things because we
haven't discussed it as a county board

757
01:07:08,319 --> 01:07:11,920
yet.
>> You mean one energy?

758
01:07:11,039 --> 01:07:17,119
» Yeah.
>> No, from the zoning meeting back on

759
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:21,920
February 17th, we invited Excel Energy.
So, we had a couple people from there.

760
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:27,680
Outside of meetings, I worked with Excel
Energy and then connecting to One

761
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:36,280
Energy. We have a proposal from them for
the $800 an acre using 15 acres.

762
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:36,280
And in this committee,

763
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:42,000
you know, the reason it's on this
agenda, you know, it's public property,

764
01:07:40,319 --> 01:07:46,880
but it would then go to executive
committee to work on the contract

765
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:51,440
um for this term of agreements.
>> Okay. So, I have a question. So, zoning

766
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:56,720
put together a package of stuff that had
to do with properties when this is the

767
01:07:53,599 --> 01:08:01,680
committee where the property stuff is.
>> I wrote the questions regarding the

768
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:08,160
solar farm
for a zoning meeting in part because I

769
01:08:05,119 --> 01:08:14,240
was thinking about I got this packet
from the utility scale in December which

770
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:19,440
got me thinking about all of the zoning
questions. There's a lot the PSC would

771
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:23,520
do the permitting there. And so it got
me thinking about the county. We do not

772
01:08:21,199 --> 01:08:28,480
have any zoning regulations on solar
that I'm aware of for solar farms. The

773
01:08:26,480 --> 01:08:32,960
existing one or dock solar is in the
city limits. So they did the zoning on

774
01:08:30,239 --> 01:08:37,440
that. So it was partly so that we could
start thinking about questions related

775
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:40,719
to zoning. You know, think setbacks from
roads, things like that. Is there going

776
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:44,880
to be screening?
Um,

777
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:48,120
now that we have a proposal, it's at
this committee.

778
01:08:48,239 --> 01:08:58,239
» Okay. So, you got a proposal that didn't
come through our committee.

779
01:08:53,920 --> 01:09:04,000
» I have a proposal from one energy by
working with Excel and one energy that I

780
01:09:01,440 --> 01:09:08,880
received on July 16th and forwarded it
to the administrator and board chair at

781
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:14,239
that time.
So, there is a proposal in front of the

782
01:09:10,799 --> 01:09:21,120
county for a solar farm on the
>> We haven't put it out for an RFP.

783
01:09:17,759 --> 01:09:25,920
» I talked to Dan about the RFP.
Um,

784
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:30,960
and one is the number is small enough
that we wouldn't need to do this. And

785
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:36,400
two is One Energy and Excel have worked
together on the current solar farm. And

786
01:09:33,759 --> 01:09:41,520
this offer of 800 bucks an acre is a
really really strong offer.

787
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:45,520
Another thing to keep in mind is with
interconnection agreements which would

788
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:48,799
take up to 18 months to get to by the
time one energy is ready to say, "Yep,

789
01:09:47,359 --> 01:09:54,480
here's what we can put in. We've worked
through the zoning issues etc. We don't

790
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:59,840
know nor would Excel Energy or One
Energy know if at the time they're ready

791
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:03,920
to say, "Yep, we can put this in and
sign an agreement." We don't know if

792
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:08,400
somebody else is working on something
where that available capacity to add

793
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:11,800
solar is going to be taken up by
somebody else.

794
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:20,800
» Have we held any hearings to see if
there is any public support for this?

795
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:26,080
» I would argue that our comp plan says
there's public support for it, but I

796
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:30,640
could be wrong on that.
>> We don't have the comprehensive plan

797
01:10:28,159 --> 01:10:34,320
together yet, do we? Well, we're working
on it, but you could look at the one

798
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:39,440
from 2016, and it would seem that a lot
of the things from 2016

799
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:43,600
would be consistent with supporting a
project like this.

800
01:10:41,199 --> 01:10:48,199
» Pretty much the 2016 was a state
template with our name put in there.

801
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:57,199
Well, there's relatively few places that
you're going to put a solar farm, and

802
01:10:55,520 --> 01:11:02,560
there's lots more places you can put
most other things.

803
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:06,320
But if I'm not mistaken, we're certainly
writing goals and objectives that would

804
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:11,280
be consistent with a project like this
in terms of climate change, reducing our

805
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:15,440
reliance on fossil fuels, being more
energy independent with battery storage

806
01:11:13,440 --> 01:11:19,679
a bit more resilient than otherwise. And
then the economic development piece with

807
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:22,679
some local employment related to the
maintenance.

808
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:31,360
Does anybody else have any questions for
Pat?

809
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:45,360
Um,
I'm going to put a little piece in here

810
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:49,600
because if you can already tell, I I
just this is the first I'm hearing about

811
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:54,239
this.
Um,

812
01:11:51,920 --> 01:12:00,880
I don't know that we as a county have a
plan together for the properties that we

813
01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:05,520
own. And mostly the direction that our
solar has been taking place has been

814
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:11,280
with buildings and properties that we
own like trying to not take up space

815
01:12:08,239 --> 01:12:18,719
that we could
use for other purposes. Say housing.

816
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:23,360
Well, certainly you could put housing in
lots of places. A couple of years ago

817
01:12:21,440 --> 01:12:27,040
with buildings go away at the farm. I
was sure I was going to convert to solar

818
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:31,520
out there. So, I spent a lot of time
looking at putting solar out there. And

819
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:35,520
it turned out I didn't for a variety of
reasons. One of which it was far more

820
01:12:33,440 --> 01:12:39,920
expensive than made sense compared to
staying on Bayfield Electric. But the

821
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:44,159
other another thing I learned along the
way, and this affects whether I'm

822
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:49,679
willing to support these projects going
on buildings if tax dollars are used,

823
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:54,000
these projects where you put solar on
the rooftop or a few panels next to a

824
01:12:51,760 --> 01:13:01,440
building, on average, they're about four
times the money per kilowatt or per

825
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:05,040
megawatt than a solar farm. You just
have all this equipment. You need your

826
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:09,360
inverter. You need all this other stuff.
Some people put in battery storage.

827
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:14,080
They're just really expensive for what
you get out of it. About four times the

828
01:13:11,679 --> 01:13:17,679
money on average. And if I look at our
federal deficit, which probably most of

829
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:21,679
you have heard, has hit 40 trillion
lately.

830
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:24,800
I don't see the future as being putting
solar on, you know, just on the

831
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:29,280
building. If you want to do it on your
own dime and house, that's one thing.

832
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:34,080
You know, your own payback, you know,
which is going to be a long period of

833
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:40,239
time. But I think the day of tax dollars
subsidizing solar on small projects, I

834
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:44,320
think those days with our deficits and
politics, I think that's going to be

835
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:49,440
really hard to come by. I think what
we're going to see more of are smaller

836
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:53,920
solar farms, the 10 to 40 acres, 50
acres, 80 acres here and there because

837
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:58,480
the return on investment is so much
better than the small stuff. And what it

838
01:13:56,320 --> 01:14:02,320
means is we just have to accept that
we're going to use some of our property

839
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:06,159
for solar farms if we want that energy.
And solar and wind are the two most

840
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:09,280
cost-effective forms of energy
generation.

841
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:13,360
So, we're going to have to accept we're
going to have to have more of that if we

842
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:17,360
want electricity, you know, that's
affordable.

843
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:20,400
Um
>> well then maybe there needs to be some

844
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:26,320
more research done with all the
properties that we own in the county to

845
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:29,760
see which is the most optimal place to
do it.

846
01:14:28,159 --> 01:14:37,640
Well, if you start looking at where your
high voltage power lines are,

847
01:14:32,480 --> 01:14:37,640
um, you end up with a pretty short list.

848
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:46,239
And then it's got to be able to connect
to the system,

849
01:14:44,159 --> 01:14:50,960
which means either a new substation, an
investment, or something existing that

850
01:14:48,480 --> 01:14:54,520
you can connect to, which there is at
Ordoc Solar.

851
01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:07,280
And I guess I would also say if the
countyy's owned this for about 10 years,

852
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:11,280
you know, I know various things have
been kicked around, but you got to come

853
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:16,400
up with the money,
not just our money, but somebody else's

854
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:20,560
money. And then, you know, something
needs to be done. I know the mayor

855
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:26,159
doesn't want lowincome housing out
there. Um, a few years ago out at Mason,

856
01:15:24,480 --> 01:15:31,040
one of the government agencies proposed
a low-income housing project and Mason

857
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:38,560
almost entirely showed up to adamantly
say no. And so,

858
01:15:35,199 --> 01:15:43,040
you know, we need housing, but unless a
community says we'll take that, it's

859
01:15:41,440 --> 01:15:47,199
kind of hard to tell somebody that's the
housing you're going to get if the

860
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:54,000
community is saying no. I know we could
put in low-income housing here. Um, even

861
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:58,000
though the mayor doesn't want it, but we
should also think about if the community

862
01:15:55,520 --> 01:16:02,600
accepts it.
>> Well, we haven't had a hearing on that

863
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:02,600
either.

864
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:08,000
» Hey. Hey, Laura.
>> Yeah.

865
01:16:05,199 --> 01:16:12,719
» This is Gary. Hey, I just didn't want to
hang up and be rude, but I have to go to

866
01:16:10,719 --> 01:16:15,760
another meeting, so I'm hanging up at
the moment.

867
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:19,920
» All right. We'll just call you hi, iPad
7. And

868
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:21,920
» yes, and say see you later then.
>> Thank you, Laura.

869
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:26,560
» All right.
>> Bye.

870
01:16:24,159 --> 01:16:32,239
» I guess one more comment is I've talked
to a board member at Bayfield Electric.

871
01:16:30,239 --> 01:16:35,920
Bayfield Electric is a distribution
co-op. They don't generate their own

872
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:39,679
power. They buy their power from Dairine
Co-op, which is based out of Lacrosse

873
01:16:37,679 --> 01:16:43,840
and serves a lot of Western Wisconsin
and and up towards this area. But then

874
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:47,920
there's a gap until you get to Bayfield
Electric.

875
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:54,800
And the way that contract is with
Dairland Co-op, um Bayfield Electric

876
01:16:52,159 --> 01:16:59,840
isn't simp able to simply say, "Oh, we
want to put in some solar farms." Well,

877
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:04,960
because Dairland Co-op says, "You're a
distribution co-op. We're not going to

878
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:09,920
simply let you put in some solar farm."
Bad River is on Bayfield Electric. and

879
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:15,920
what Bad Bad River is allowed to put in
for solar farm apparently is taking up

880
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:21,120
most of the capacity that Dairland Co-op
is willing to give up. So a lot of our

881
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:26,320
land around here unless you're on that
161 kilovolt line you're going to

882
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:30,880
connect to Bayfield Electric which
Dairland Co-op is saying yes we need

883
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:35,520
more power but thanks to but no thanks
for you guys generating it up there.

884
01:17:34,159 --> 01:17:39,760
You know, in the coming years, there's
got to be some conversations between

885
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:45,280
Bayfield Electric and Dairland Co-op to
allow some solar farms up here that

886
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:50,640
serve this area, but that's going to be
a very long conversation apparently

887
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:54,560
because Dairland Co-op is figuring out
how they're going to generate new

888
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:59,120
electricity and they would rather not
have the waters muddied on figuring out

889
01:17:56,560 --> 01:18:03,199
who's going to generate what where. They
just want to take care of that for the

890
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:07,760
most part. So a lot of the rural area
here is on Bayfield electric which makes

891
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:13,440
you know we happen to connect to Excel
here which limits the possibilities

892
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:17,560
outside of the city of Ashland and a few
other places that are on Excel.

893
01:18:21,199 --> 01:18:31,360
» What is the committee thinking about
this? I I agree with what Pat's saying

894
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:38,320
on being on the planning committee. This
is talked about a lot and I feel like

895
01:18:36,159 --> 01:18:43,120
there must be support of the community
when so many people talk about it. So I

896
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:49,679
feel like we need to look into it and
not just kick the can down the road.

897
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:56,080
Actually try to move it forward.
I don't know enough about solar to say

898
01:18:52,800 --> 01:19:00,040
too much on it. So, I guess it'd be nice
to hear on that.

899
01:19:01,199 --> 01:19:09,040
» Anybody else?
>> Paul here. Yeah, I'm in [clears throat]

900
01:19:04,480 --> 01:19:13,040
support of any revenue on land leases.
There's there's no risk with a land

901
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:15,040
lease.
Well,

902
01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:19,840
» there is. If they build things on it,
it's a little hard to have them pick

903
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:25,679
things up and move.
Jim, do you have anything?

904
01:19:23,199 --> 01:19:34,239
» Yeah, I kind of agree with the with
everything being said. I like the $800

905
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:38,040
payment part of it there. That's
reasonably good money.

906
01:19:39,679 --> 01:19:48,800
Does anybody else want to see if there's
uh

907
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:55,440
somebody's talking there? If there's a
better use that can be researched for

908
01:19:51,760 --> 01:20:00,560
this, I get that any income is nice, but
just having any income for any income.

909
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:08,560
If the property value is higher than
that, we might be able to make more of

910
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:12,239
that. Um, I don't know how long this is.
I

911
01:20:10,239 --> 01:20:15,520
I myself would like to see some kind of
research.

912
01:20:13,440 --> 01:20:23,280
» Laura, this is Erica Hannle. Could I say
something really quick? Sure.

913
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:28,000
» Um, so I have invited Peter Levi of the
Nature Conservancy to come to the next

914
01:20:25,199 --> 01:20:32,239
finance meeting. I'm sure he's willing
to come to any meeting that we might

915
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:41,600
want him. And that was for the purpose
of showing us their tool for evaluating

916
01:20:38,159 --> 01:20:46,719
properties for renewable energy
enterprises.

917
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:52,560
Um, of course including solar. Um, so
that may be one part of the research

918
01:20:49,199 --> 01:20:57,760
that you might like to hear about. Um,
and secondarily,

919
01:20:54,400 --> 01:21:01,840
I was at the WEAN conference, what is
that? uh climate action network for

920
01:21:00,159 --> 01:21:07,120
Wisconsin
um several weeks ago and made several

921
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:13,679
contacts where I'm sure that if if you
wanted more options for what we might

922
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:19,120
include in an RFP
or expertise

923
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:25,760
on the issue. I'm sure I can connect you
with a person that could offer that.

924
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:29,840
» That would seem to make a lot of sense.
There's somebody that's thinking. I

925
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:37,520
appreciate that. I also would think
that, you know, some input from Mary Joe

926
01:21:33,679 --> 01:21:44,080
on what putting solar on some land that
has wet land and such by it and how that

927
01:21:40,159 --> 01:21:48,560
affects us would be helpful.
Um,

928
01:21:46,719 --> 01:21:52,600
so everybody agrees we should move
forward with some more research.

929
01:21:53,440 --> 01:22:02,320
We need to make a motion.
>> Yeah,

930
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:07,199
» I make a motion that we
move forward with looking into putting

931
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:11,120
solar on the county's farm road
property.

932
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:18,400
» Are we going to research a little bit
more first before we do this?

933
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:24,400
» You can add in research and I guess yeah
to move it forward.

934
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:32,480
» Will harm will second.
Okay, I have a motion and a second to

935
01:22:29,199 --> 01:22:39,120
move forward with some research and
looking at solar also. Um,

936
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:44,760
any discussion
or anything else you guys would like to

937
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:44,760
see in this process?

938
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:56,960
you're talking. I can't hear you because
nobody's got their mics on, but

939
01:22:52,960 --> 01:23:00,320
probably not. Um, all right. All those
in favor, please signify by saying I.

940
01:22:59,840 --> 01:23:04,719
» I.
>> I.

941
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:12,400
» I. Okay. Looks like we have a direction
to move forward and and look into this.

942
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:15,880
Thank you guys. Um, is that Oh, that's
on the agenda.

943
01:23:16,480 --> 01:23:27,040
next meeting date. Usually we meet in
September, so we're kind of skipping

944
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:33,520
over that, but um
we do in December have the jail tour and

945
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:39,360
we'll have to have some updates on this
stuff. So, is everybody looking at your

946
01:23:37,199 --> 01:23:45,400
calendar
in December

947
01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:45,400
somewhere between

948
01:23:47,199 --> 01:23:54,199
Thanksgiving.
You're not too close to Christmas.

949
01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:01,480
The 7th maybe.

950
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:09,520
Is there anything else on the other
calendar? I see you leaving through

951
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:16,120
that. It's really tiny on my laptop
though.

952
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:16,120
I don't see anything on the 7th.

953
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:24,840
» Does that work for you guys too? Same
just a Monday at 2:00 p.m. again.

954
01:24:25,679 --> 01:24:33,840
» No conflicts will harm here.
>> Okay, that's one of us.

955
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:38,800
» Good to hear.
>> Okay, what about you, Jim?

956
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:44,639
» Yeah, let's go.
All right, let's go for it.

957
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:49,480
Okay, PL
2 PM on the 7th.

958
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:59,360
Last thing we have is if somebody wants
to do the motion to adjurnn.

959
01:24:56,159 --> 01:25:05,040
» Will harm motion to adjurnn.
>> Second.

960
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:10,159
» Motion by Paul, second by Marcus.
Anybody want to discuss it?

961
01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:13,120
All right. All right. All those in
favor, please signify by saying I.

962
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:16,800
» I.
>> I.

963
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:21,480
» All right. Thank you guys. Good meeting.
Thank you for being patient with my tech

964
01:25:18,480 --> 01:25:21,480
problems.