1 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:12,400 Okay. Are we going to start recording? 2 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,040 Yeah. Okay. We are recording. It's 2 3 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,560 o'clock. Uh time to begin this meeting 4 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:20,960 of the Ashlin County Planning Committee. 5 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,240 It's Tuesday, June 17. Uh the planning 6 00:00:24,240 --> 00:00:25,359 committee is meeting here in the 7 00:00:25,359 --> 00:00:28,400 courthouse with access via Zoom. I can 8 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,439 see that Gary Mertig is on. Are you 9 00:00:31,439 --> 00:00:35,510 there, Gary? Can you hear us? 10 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:37,920 Gary, can you hear us? We cannot hear 11 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:42,229 you. 12 00:00:42,239 --> 00:00:47,280 Okay, we'll wait on that. Uh, so 13 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:51,760 first item is roll call 14 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:53,360 and hopefully Gary will come in because 15 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,399 we need him for a quorum. George Buset. 16 00:00:56,399 --> 00:00:59,680 Uh, here. Use your mics, please. Bradley 17 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:04,789 Ray. 18 00:01:04,799 --> 00:01:09,280 Elizabeth Franic here. Pat Kenny here. 19 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:15,590 Gary Mertig. 20 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:21,350 Gary, can you hear us? 21 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:39,109 Continue 22 00:01:39,119 --> 00:01:42,159 with the roll call, please. Pat, Dan 23 00:01:42,159 --> 00:01:45,119 Grady, 24 00:01:45,119 --> 00:02:00,069 Lissa Radkkey here, and Charlie Ortman. 25 00:02:00,079 --> 00:02:02,560 Uh, we're going to pause the roll call 26 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:03,920 for a minute. I'm going to try to call 27 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,640 Gary. See if we can get a quorum up. 28 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:10,389 Okay, 29 00:02:10,399 --> 00:02:12,879 Brad Ray just walked Ray is here. So, we 30 00:02:12,879 --> 00:02:46,949 have a quorum and I just Okay. 31 00:02:46,959 --> 00:02:51,830 This is Gary. 32 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:57,509 Gary's online. Thank you. 33 00:02:57,519 --> 00:03:01,040 Mary Joe's online. 34 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,120 Thank you very much. 35 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:04,560 Okay, so it appears that we have a 36 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,280 quorum. That's good news. 37 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,720 Uh so the next item up is the approval 38 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,599 of the agenda. Are there comments or 39 00:03:13,599 --> 00:03:17,200 suggestions regarding the agenda? 40 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:21,750 Anyone? Anybody online? 41 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:23,440 Gary 42 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,080 Brad. Okay. No, no comments. Did I hear 43 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,080 a motion to approve the agenda, please? 44 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,560 Brad Ray. So moved. Brad Ray. Motion to 45 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:32,799 approve the agenda. That will second. 46 00:03:32,799 --> 00:03:35,280 Pat Kenny. A second for the agenda. All 47 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:39,200 in favor please say I. I. Any oppose? So 48 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,840 the agenda is approved. Uh next we move 49 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,319 on to item three which is public 50 00:03:44,319 --> 00:03:46,239 comments. 51 00:03:46,239 --> 00:03:48,879 Is there anybody online who would like 52 00:03:48,879 --> 00:03:52,000 to make a public comment? 53 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,720 Is there anybody present would like to 54 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:56,879 make a comment? 55 00:03:56,879 --> 00:03:59,519 Second call for public comments. 56 00:03:59,519 --> 00:04:01,200 Last call for public comments at this 57 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,560 time. Hearing no request for public 58 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,959 comment, we move on to item number four, 59 00:04:06,959 --> 00:04:10,000 which is approval of the minutes of the 60 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,120 last meeting, which was May 12. And I've 61 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:17,680 just asked uh Karisha to note that um 62 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:19,840 Lisa Radkkey cannot be two places at the 63 00:04:19,840 --> 00:04:24,160 same time. So you you are listed as a 64 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,080 present, but also as an other present. 65 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,880 So we just we're we're making your other 66 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:30,479 presence 67 00:04:30,479 --> 00:04:33,199 adjusted. Any other comments? Any any 68 00:04:33,199 --> 00:04:35,360 other comments on the uh uh the minutes 69 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:38,479 of the last meeting? Okay. Uh can we 70 00:04:38,479 --> 00:04:39,840 have a motion to approve the minutes of 71 00:04:39,840 --> 00:04:42,560 the last meeting? Liz Franic. Motions to 72 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:46,000 approve. Motion to approve. Second. 73 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:47,840 Brad will second. Brad Ray second. 74 00:04:47,840 --> 00:04:49,120 Motion to approve the minutes 75 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,520 discussion. 76 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:55,680 All in favor, please say I. Any opposed? 77 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:57,120 None in the negatives. The minutes of 78 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,840 the prior meeting are approved. 79 00:04:59,840 --> 00:05:02,800 Then we're moving on to discussion items 80 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,639 which is five 5A. First discussion item 81 00:05:06,639 --> 00:05:09,120 is little fun facts or favorite things 82 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:13,759 about Ashlin County contributions by any 83 00:05:13,759 --> 00:05:16,240 or all committee members. Are there any 84 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,240 committee members or persons present who 85 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:24,710 would like to bring out a a fun fact? 86 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:26,880 Melissa, 87 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,600 use your mic, please. Yep. I'm figuring 88 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:34,000 it. Um, I'll give you one, but I think 89 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,880 you probably know it. Um, what's the 90 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,000 tallest What's the second tallest? 91 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,240 I'm going to start over. 92 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,880 What's the tallest part in Ashen County? 93 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:49,189 Tallest point. 94 00:05:49,199 --> 00:05:51,280 Mount Whittle Sea in the Porcupine 95 00:05:51,280 --> 00:05:55,039 Mountains. That is the eighth tallest 96 00:05:55,039 --> 00:05:58,479 point in state in our whole state. It's 97 00:05:58,479 --> 00:06:02,880 only 79 feet shorter than the tallest 98 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,680 um point, which is Tim's Hill in Price 99 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:10,000 County. So, we're at 1872 100 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,240 feet tall at Mount Whittley in the 101 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,880 Porcupine Mountains. Like, that's pretty 102 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:18,479 cool. Where's it located? Mount Whittley 103 00:06:18,479 --> 00:06:21,120 is in the Porcupine Mountains. Porcupine 104 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,039 Mountains are up by Mount by Anton. 105 00:06:23,039 --> 00:06:26,319 That's Michigan. What am I saying? Pino. 106 00:06:26,319 --> 00:06:27,840 Okay. In the Pinocchi Range. That's a 107 00:06:27,840 --> 00:06:32,150 fun fact that it's the Pino. 108 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:36,240 Okay, I have I have two and um the first 109 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:37,680 part of this starts with a little 110 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:39,280 context and then I'll get to the 111 00:06:39,280 --> 00:06:42,000 actually the interesting point. 112 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,199 So, um, see, 113 00:06:45,199 --> 00:06:48,479 in 1664, 114 00:06:48,479 --> 00:06:50,720 the great interpreter and trader 115 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,919 Nicholas Perau 116 00:06:53,919 --> 00:06:56,560 was probably with canoes from Lake 117 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:00,560 Superior that came to a dramatic and 118 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,759 pagan-like halt at the little settlement 119 00:07:03,759 --> 00:07:05,759 of three rivers halfway between Montreal 120 00:07:05,759 --> 00:07:08,080 and Quebec. He and his Indian 121 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:12,319 companions, so he had Native American 122 00:07:12,319 --> 00:07:15,440 guide companions, uh, had beaten off two 123 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:17,280 attacking parties of Irakcoy and their 124 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,440 canoes were piled high with furs, so 125 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,599 they'd come back from 126 00:07:21,599 --> 00:07:24,880 the superior from the upper Midwest. 127 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:26,560 So it is small wonder that they sang 128 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,400 songs of victory, shot off their guns, 129 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:30,160 and otherwise impressed four companies 130 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,000 of soldiers just arrived for the first 131 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,880 time from France. When the Indians 132 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:38,319 returned to their homes, a cultured and 133 00:07:38,319 --> 00:07:40,880 vigorous Jesuit missionary accompanied 134 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:45,280 them, Father Claude Jean Alou. 135 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,360 He made his way to the foot of 136 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,080 Shawamagan Bay 137 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,120 where seven different tribes were then 138 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:57,360 living in a little settlement. 139 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:59,759 There he built a Bart chapel and a hut 140 00:07:59,759 --> 00:08:01,840 for himself. He worked long and hard 141 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,720 without too much success and in the 142 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,919 spring of 1667 he decided to visit the 143 00:08:07,919 --> 00:08:10,639 Npasing tribe then in the area north of 144 00:08:10,639 --> 00:08:13,120 Lake Nipagon. 145 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:17,599 It's from a book by Grace Lee N uh I 146 00:08:17,599 --> 00:08:20,319 think published about 1944 called Lake 147 00:08:20,319 --> 00:08:22,720 Superior. 148 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,680 Then here's another little uh Ashlin 149 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,080 County fact from 150 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,560 1996. 151 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,719 The Ashlin landing handled 31,000 cords 152 00:08:34,719 --> 00:08:37,680 of pulpwood shipped directly on rail in 153 00:08:37,680 --> 00:08:39,760 1996. 154 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:41,919 48,675 155 00:08:41,919 --> 00:08:48,790 cord overall from Ashlin region 156 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,680 h 157 00:08:51,680 --> 00:08:55,600 1996 before the pulpo closed I think. 158 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:59,839 Yeah. Any other interesting fun facts, 159 00:08:59,839 --> 00:09:02,800 Liz? Uh, Liz. Well, I Everybody knows I 160 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,040 work with the public and nobody can 161 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,680 pronounce shamigan and I work at the 162 00:09:07,680 --> 00:09:09,920 Schwamagan family restaurant. And I tell 163 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,720 them that comes from the nishnab Ojiway 164 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:16,480 word shiuamakum which means shallow 165 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:18,640 waters or place of shallow waters or 166 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:22,399 sandy shores. Um, also a nice fact about 167 00:09:22,399 --> 00:09:25,680 my family is my great grandpa Samuel 168 00:09:25,680 --> 00:09:30,240 Seedstra worked with the Bad River tribe 169 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,839 way back in time and uh helped start the 170 00:09:33,839 --> 00:09:36,959 first Bad River Powow which was a Bad 171 00:09:36,959 --> 00:09:40,080 River fair. So I'd like to find out more 172 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,760 information about that. Thank you. 173 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,240 Any other contributions? 174 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:47,920 the shallow waters. I think the voters 175 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:49,279 all this spring would have would agree 176 00:09:49,279 --> 00:09:50,880 with shallow waters because having a 177 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:52,160 hard time getting their boats in the 178 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,880 water. 179 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,760 Uh this is Mary Joe. 180 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,080 Go ahead. Um I don't have an additional 181 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,160 contribution, but when Lisa was talking 182 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:04,320 about Mount Whittley, 183 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:08,320 that's actually located um southeast of 184 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:09,839 Melon. 185 00:10:09,839 --> 00:10:12,160 So, and it's almost halfway in between 186 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:16,160 Lake Galilee and Highway 77. So if you 187 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,800 were going to head east out of Melon 188 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,440 along Highway 77 and you look to your 189 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,640 south, that's where Mount Whittley is 190 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:28,399 located up in the Pinocchi Hills there. 191 00:10:28,399 --> 00:10:30,560 And one of the second highest or in the 192 00:10:30,560 --> 00:10:32,959 other top five peaks is called Eagle's 193 00:10:32,959 --> 00:10:36,000 Nest and that's right around along on 194 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,839 that same ridge as well. 195 00:10:39,839 --> 00:10:42,160 Sounds like a good hike. Any other 196 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,360 contributions to fun facts? Okay. So, we 197 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:49,120 move on to subcommittee status reports. 198 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,680 So, just want to see where we stand one 199 00:10:51,680 --> 00:10:54,240 at a time. So, Brad, can we start with 200 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:56,000 you, please? 201 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:57,200 I've been out of the country for the 202 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:58,880 last three weeks. So, I have not done 203 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:00,880 anything 204 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:04,079 in terms of any job uh for the last 205 00:11:04,079 --> 00:11:06,160 three weeks other than read the packet 206 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,399 right before we came last night. So, 207 00:11:08,399 --> 00:11:10,640 sorry. No update. 208 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,839 Uh, Liz, 209 00:11:13,839 --> 00:11:16,160 no update either, but I'd like to know 210 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,720 like did you spread the news of Ashlin 211 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:20,720 County to a different country and are 212 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:22,480 they willing to come over here for a 213 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,279 visit? 214 00:11:25,279 --> 00:11:28,800 Um, we I talked about Ashlin. Yeah. Uh, 215 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:30,800 and that there was bears and wolves up 216 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:32,320 here. People were surprised there's 217 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:36,959 wildlife around um o over there, but uh 218 00:11:36,959 --> 00:11:39,360 I don't think anybody's going to come. 219 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:45,190 So, sorry, 220 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,160 Alicia. 221 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,880 Um, well, let's see. George and I met to 222 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,200 talk about how to deal with sub 223 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:57,760 committees. Um the um I've got a plan 224 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:01,120 but I haven't written it down 225 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:04,560 for how to deal with the kind of like 226 00:12:04,560 --> 00:12:07,040 the SWAT analysis, the issues, the 227 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,279 trends, the challenges and 228 00:12:09,279 --> 00:12:11,760 opportunities. 229 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:16,399 That's my that'll be my job. Okay. Uh 230 00:12:16,399 --> 00:12:17,920 Pat, 231 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,279 I've got the um egg and forestry and 232 00:12:21,279 --> 00:12:23,120 natural resources. And since we have 233 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,680 Mary Joe here, um yesterday I was at the 234 00:12:25,680 --> 00:12:27,360 farm and on the south fence line that 235 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,920 half mile I had it surveyed April 30th 236 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:33,120 and and set posts for the survey line 237 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:34,959 and then I was pulling the old steel 238 00:12:34,959 --> 00:12:36,959 post with a shovel dig around them and 239 00:12:36,959 --> 00:12:39,040 so I can get them loose and whatever. 240 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,360 But as I'm doing that, I hear something 241 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:45,360 walking through the woods, not fast. 242 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,720 Um so I pause and I look and there's a 243 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,680 little null where I was at. And so I 244 00:12:51,680 --> 00:12:53,680 look and 245 00:12:53,680 --> 00:12:57,279 50 feet, maybe 60 at the most, up pops a 246 00:12:57,279 --> 00:12:59,920 big bearhead. And I can see his eyes 247 00:12:59,920 --> 00:13:02,720 going back and forth looking. And um 248 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,040 then I can see him smelling. I had some 249 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,680 salmon loaf for lunch and my cooler 250 00:13:07,680 --> 00:13:10,480 wasn't far away. But this year, Mary 251 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:12,720 Joe, instead of standing up and scaring 252 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:14,720 the bear, which I felt bad about for a 253 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:16,959 very long time last year, this is very 254 00:13:16,959 --> 00:13:20,160 close, like 150 ft from last year. This 255 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:21,680 time 256 00:13:21,680 --> 00:13:23,040 the bear when he was trying to figure 257 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:24,959 out where the scent was coming from, I 258 00:13:24,959 --> 00:13:27,360 just simply said this loud, "Hear bear, 259 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,360 bear." And that was enough for him to 260 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,720 see me and then walk away. And I didn't 261 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,200 scare him this time. So I feel good 262 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,519 about not scaring the bear. I scared him 263 00:13:37,519 --> 00:13:40,079 last year. He was he was right behind 264 00:13:40,079 --> 00:13:44,160 me. That was um not good to scare. Um on 265 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,959 the egg part, um Lisa started back in 266 00:13:46,959 --> 00:13:49,920 December with some egg related meetings. 267 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:51,760 So she spearheaded that with the group. 268 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,240 So I attended those and and now run a 269 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,320 farmland preservation um set of 270 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,000 meetings. We've got one the 24th coming 271 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,199 up. Mary Joe has been um spearheading 272 00:14:01,199 --> 00:14:02,720 that with Northwest Regional Planning. 273 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:04,880 So that part we're doing good on the 274 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:06,880 forestry plan. I know we approved that 275 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:09,279 as a board a several years ago and for 276 00:14:09,279 --> 00:14:11,199 the life of me on the county website I 277 00:14:11,199 --> 00:14:14,240 cannot find it. Um, so once we get done 278 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:15,760 with the farmland preservation, I'm 279 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,560 going to have to track down the the 280 00:14:18,560 --> 00:14:20,399 county plan and see if we can get it on 281 00:14:20,399 --> 00:14:23,199 the forestry website and then start in 282 00:14:23,199 --> 00:14:26,880 on that. And I I have been planting more 283 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,760 trees again and I did 10 acres of acorns 284 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:31,680 and shagbar hickory and black walnut 285 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:35,600 last year trying to reforest. did the um 286 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,320 um online course on forest adaptation 287 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,000 last winter. So, I got a lot of 288 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:41,839 questions about forest adaptation and 289 00:14:41,839 --> 00:14:44,160 what's going on with, you know, climate 290 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,000 change, which is what it is. It's it's 291 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:47,760 really different. So, I'll get to the 292 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:49,519 forestry part once we wrap up the 293 00:14:49,519 --> 00:14:54,550 farmland preservation. 294 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,440 Okay. Uh George, I have uh 295 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,639 transportation and utilities. 296 00:15:00,639 --> 00:15:04,480 So it is my intention to try to draw on 297 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,680 people from different transportation and 298 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:09,920 utility sectors 299 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:12,639 and maybe do it in two separate segments 300 00:15:12,639 --> 00:15:14,480 because they're kind of different 301 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:16,240 categories. 302 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,839 So, I'm going to try to ask the um the 303 00:15:19,839 --> 00:15:21,199 harbor commission to see if there's 304 00:15:21,199 --> 00:15:22,560 someone who would participate in a 305 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:24,800 working group uh the county highway 306 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:26,480 department 307 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,519 uh from the airport commission uh from 308 00:15:29,519 --> 00:15:32,320 the trails, hiking trails and ATB 309 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:36,800 trails. So that's my approach is to 310 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:38,800 start inviting people who might be 311 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,240 willing to give some time to the subject 312 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:44,399 and then 313 00:15:44,399 --> 00:15:48,639 open and so form a uh a working group. 314 00:15:48,639 --> 00:15:52,240 I'm not sure about you know how we 315 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,880 provide space and a meeting time or 316 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,440 place to do this. And I think that's 317 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,040 that's something we have to figure out 318 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,639 for all of us because okay, I'm going to 319 00:16:02,639 --> 00:16:04,639 have some kind of working subgroup maybe 320 00:16:04,639 --> 00:16:06,560 with with people contributing. But how 321 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,920 do we actually make that happen? Where 322 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,639 where can we meet? When can we meet? How 323 00:16:12,639 --> 00:16:14,560 do we meet? Do we need to be online? Do 324 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,680 we not? There's a lot of those kind of 325 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,160 practical questions. But I'm going to 326 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,399 start by just see if I can attract some 327 00:16:22,399 --> 00:16:24,800 people from the different areas. And 328 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,920 then if I can do that, then establish a 329 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:29,360 meeting time and place and make it known 330 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:30,639 to the public that they're willing to 331 00:16:30,639 --> 00:16:32,720 come and contribute or maybe invite some 332 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:35,120 people to come and contribute from the 333 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:37,600 different governmental groups, you know, 334 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:39,519 different municipalities, 335 00:16:39,519 --> 00:16:42,399 you know, someone from Le Point, 336 00:16:42,399 --> 00:16:43,600 someone from Butternut. They're 337 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:44,959 different really different needs. So 338 00:16:44,959 --> 00:16:47,120 that's my approach but I think each of 339 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,920 us has to take our own individual 340 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,959 approach to our um to what we are 341 00:16:52,959 --> 00:16:55,680 personally you know willing and able and 342 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,000 and prepared to do in terms of trying to 343 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,759 get these elements written. Um 344 00:17:01,759 --> 00:17:04,480 so we're missing Charlie today for the 345 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,559 intergovernmental 346 00:17:06,559 --> 00:17:10,880 uh Gary are you there? I'm here. 347 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,199 Uh can you tell us anything uh going on 348 00:17:13,199 --> 00:17:15,600 with e the economic development and land 349 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:19,439 use elements? Uh yeah, I a few weeks ago 350 00:17:19,439 --> 00:17:21,600 I talked to our land description office 351 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:23,760 and told them that we'd be looking for 352 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,240 more information at some point. I'm 353 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,039 still waiting to hear when we get to the 354 00:17:29,039 --> 00:17:30,720 point of bringing Northwest Regional 355 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:34,960 Planning on so that we have more of a 356 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,679 guideline as to okay, how in depth or 357 00:17:37,679 --> 00:17:41,280 how far are we going? Um 358 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,320 so that because they've done this before 359 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:48,080 and so that we don't both them and us 360 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,400 are on the same page is you know what do 361 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,919 they see us needing um before we get too 362 00:17:53,919 --> 00:17:56,320 far ahead of ourselves. But I do have a 363 00:17:56,320 --> 00:18:00,320 just a quick point of something that 364 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,880 this could have gone before. But about a 365 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,880 week ago, I was on a little lake west of 366 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:08,400 Melon 367 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,559 and you could hear the traffic on GG, 368 00:18:10,559 --> 00:18:13,440 which is a welltraveled road. But at one 369 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,559 point, I said to my fishing buddy, "That 370 00:18:16,559 --> 00:18:19,440 is the loudest truck I have ever heard." 371 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,559 Well, about 4 seconds later, we 372 00:18:22,559 --> 00:18:24,559 discovered it was not a truck. It was an 373 00:18:24,559 --> 00:18:27,039 Air Force Reserve fighter jet at treetop 374 00:18:27,039 --> 00:18:30,640 level who covered the entire lake wood 375 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,520 line heading towards Melon. And my 376 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:35,360 fishing partner actually covered his 377 00:18:35,360 --> 00:18:39,840 ears that that sound was so loud. Um, 378 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,400 I know they've done this in the past, 379 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,559 but uh, maybe we should let our county 380 00:18:44,559 --> 00:18:46,640 residents know there's no war going on 381 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,280 yet, but um, when the fighter jets are 382 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,840 training, they they like the Pinocchi 383 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:54,320 Range and that area between Melon and 384 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:57,280 Clam Lake. I've seen them on other areas 385 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:01,679 over there in the past. Uh, um, but I'm 386 00:19:01,679 --> 00:19:03,200 sure that would shock some people 387 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,280 because he was at the treetop level when 388 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:10,240 he came over. Um, so maybe maybe we 389 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,240 could use that as economic development 390 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,240 and tell people, hey, the Air Force is 391 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,160 using our area as a training ground. 392 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,600 Come and see it. 393 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:21,679 I'm not taking that into transportation. 394 00:19:21,679 --> 00:19:24,559 Thank you. 395 00:19:24,559 --> 00:19:26,880 Right. 396 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,360 So hopefully, I mean, I don't know if 397 00:19:29,360 --> 00:19:31,200 everybody's gone through and reviewed 398 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,720 the 2016 comprehensive plan, but 399 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:36,720 hopefully we've all read through the 400 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,200 sections related to our elements. I 401 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:40,720 mean, I was impressed. I think it's a 402 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,679 pretty good pretty well done, frankly. 403 00:19:43,679 --> 00:19:46,640 So, really happy with that. Any other 404 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,440 comments or thoughts on the subcommittee 405 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,710 work? 406 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,440 Okay. Um then if not we'll move on to 407 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,799 the next item 408 00:19:58,799 --> 00:20:01,120 which is discussion of communication 409 00:20:01,120 --> 00:20:05,840 vehicles. Oh I'm sorry Pat. Just as a I 410 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:07,760 don't know observation or question that 411 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:09,280 permeates a few things is if you want to 412 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:10,799 go back that previous screen you were 413 00:20:10,799 --> 00:20:13,679 on. We've got this divvied up in an 414 00:20:13,679 --> 00:20:15,360 order 415 00:20:15,360 --> 00:20:17,120 that each of us have an interest in the 416 00:20:17,120 --> 00:20:19,440 topic presume believe that we're doing 417 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,160 and yet um 418 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,000 you know like for what I have a forestry 419 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,799 and natural resources in the elements 420 00:20:26,799 --> 00:20:28,720 that we have to meet for the comp plan 421 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:32,320 there's the cultural piece that split 422 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,640 Liz has that and so as we go through 423 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,080 this stuff you know it's one thing to 424 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:37,360 say here's the elements that are 425 00:20:37,360 --> 00:20:39,360 required but then as we go through this 426 00:20:39,360 --> 00:20:41,360 planning process 427 00:20:41,360 --> 00:20:45,760 I have part of um 428 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:47,760 one of these categories and then Liz has 429 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,919 another part of it. So just so that we 430 00:20:49,919 --> 00:20:51,600 figure out how we're going to divvy that 431 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:53,360 up or or how the meetings are 432 00:20:53,360 --> 00:20:55,120 coordinated or data gathered or 433 00:20:55,120 --> 00:20:58,480 separated and all of that just kind of a 434 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:02,559 procedural thing as we encounter it. 435 00:21:02,559 --> 00:21:08,320 Other thoughts on that subject? Uh so 436 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:12,880 the reason I proposed and got you 437 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,440 convinced you to maybe go along with me 438 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,480 on this organization was for our data 439 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,400 collection purposes 440 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,880 because the the cultural elements that 441 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,520 go with cultural facilities as kind of a 442 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:27,440 natural or who you're going to talk to 443 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:28,320 and where you're going to get 444 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,200 information and the natural resources 445 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:32,799 elements 446 00:21:32,799 --> 00:21:36,320 that relate to that are really kind of 447 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,720 related to forestry and agriculture. So 448 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,200 my suggestion what I'll do for like 449 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:42,960 transportation and utilities I probably 450 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,280 going to segregate it into two sections 451 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,480 of my analysis and that's what I would 452 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,760 suggest for you know for cultural 453 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,679 resources and community facilities. I 454 00:21:53,679 --> 00:21:56,159 would divide my analysis into two 455 00:21:56,159 --> 00:21:58,720 sections. So you've got the cultural 456 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:00,880 resources section and the community 457 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:02,240 facilities section. you're talking to 458 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,559 the same people pretty much. And so 459 00:22:04,559 --> 00:22:07,760 that's easily just when we have to map 460 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,559 it into the actual final comprehensive 461 00:22:10,559 --> 00:22:12,159 plan just you can take the cultural 462 00:22:12,159 --> 00:22:15,360 resources and if Pat has segregated 463 00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:17,360 agricultural forestry and natural 464 00:22:17,360 --> 00:22:19,919 resources into segments of his work you 465 00:22:19,919 --> 00:22:21,840 can take combine natural resources and 466 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,640 cultural resources and map it into the 467 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,280 the formatting that's prescribed uh by 468 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,919 the statute. But the reason I proposed 469 00:22:29,919 --> 00:22:32,480 doing it this way was for our collection 470 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,400 of information and and when and working 471 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,200 with people because 472 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:38,559 you know there's a big difference 473 00:22:38,559 --> 00:22:41,679 between forestry and 474 00:22:41,679 --> 00:22:44,720 cultural resources or between community 475 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:48,640 facilities and utilities. So that's 476 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,400 that's my approach to a pet. Yeah. Could 477 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:57,360 you go to um page five of that file? Um, 478 00:22:57,360 --> 00:23:01,440 it's page five on the PDF. Um, so I 479 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,400 think we're scrolling. 480 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:09,270 Yeah, if you want to scroll down. 481 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:13,840 I may have not or let's see. I'm on the 482 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,120 I'm on the consolidated draft file. 483 00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:20,960 Okay. You'd have to go down. 484 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:25,280 Well, yeah, but but if 485 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:29,669 Yeah, but but that's 486 00:23:29,679 --> 00:23:31,840 trying to clarify what I was trying to 487 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:33,039 point. So, right there, just because 488 00:23:33,039 --> 00:23:35,039 they're together. So, we've got focus 489 00:23:35,039 --> 00:23:38,960 groups and we've got list one through 490 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:43,039 seven of how we've divvied it up and 491 00:23:43,039 --> 00:23:44,799 then below that it says these focus 492 00:23:44,799 --> 00:23:47,440 groups will and then you've got this 493 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,240 other order. And just as we proceed 494 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,640 through all of this stuff, we've got are 495 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,440 we having focus groups for both of those 496 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,039 things? One through seven the first set 497 00:23:57,039 --> 00:23:59,360 and one through seven the second set or 498 00:23:59,360 --> 00:24:01,919 are we doing something different? No, 499 00:24:01,919 --> 00:24:04,720 our focus groups are only the first set 500 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,400 and then if so if a has if you're if 501 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,600 focus group number four is segmented 502 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,279 between agriculture, forestry and 503 00:24:13,279 --> 00:24:16,000 natural resources and focus group number 504 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,640 five is segmented between n cultural 505 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,360 resources community facilities. Then you 506 00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:23,279 can just take the natural resources 507 00:24:23,279 --> 00:24:25,679 segment from four and the cultural 508 00:24:25,679 --> 00:24:28,960 resources segment from five and slide it 509 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,919 down into the agricultural, natural, and 510 00:24:31,919 --> 00:24:34,240 cultural resources element that's going 511 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,720 to be in the public's plan. So as we go 512 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,000 through meetings and stuff, um, we're 513 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,320 organizing those based on the first set 514 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,640 of one through sevens as opposed to the 515 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,039 second. So as far as am I going to go to 516 00:24:47,039 --> 00:24:48,720 this meeting or that one, is it part of 517 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,760 my category? Not. something and and Liz 518 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,880 I want to ask you this question 519 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,720 in the second set of one through seven 520 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,640 it's got a natural and cultural 521 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,960 resources 522 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,919 and I can't help but think 523 00:25:03,919 --> 00:25:08,310 about bad river 524 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,799 and how natural and cultural resources 525 00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:15,360 tied together for them in a particularly 526 00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:17,360 important and strong ways and more 527 00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:20,320 history than they do lots others. I have 528 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,880 some concern that unless we're careful, 529 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,039 we're going to lose that connection of 530 00:25:25,039 --> 00:25:26,960 the natural and cultural resources, that 531 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:28,880 interplay, that inter relationship, 532 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,200 interconnection that's so important to 533 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,840 Bad River if we're not being careful. 534 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,200 Um, but if these are the state 535 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:36,640 guidelines, they may not have been 536 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,200 thinking about that. But for us, I think 537 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,520 it's really important 538 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,919 that we pay close attention to that. And 539 00:25:43,919 --> 00:25:46,000 it would be easy for us to miss if we're 540 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,120 not careful. Listen. Well, I thought 541 00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:52,320 that it would be a good idea just for um 542 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:57,039 to attach a memo to them and you know at 543 00:25:57,039 --> 00:25:59,039 their Bad River tribal meetings they 544 00:25:59,039 --> 00:26:02,159 could put a planning committee aspect 545 00:26:02,159 --> 00:26:05,039 and attach natural resources and 546 00:26:05,039 --> 00:26:10,310 cultural resources as part of it. 547 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:14,960 Other comments, discussion? Um, I still 548 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,919 don't think I'm fully understanding how 549 00:26:17,919 --> 00:26:20,880 um a county plan inter 550 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,039 engages and interacts with a sovereign 551 00:26:23,039 --> 00:26:25,520 nation 552 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,039 because it seems like a lot of the 553 00:26:27,039 --> 00:26:28,559 cultural sites might be on the 554 00:26:28,559 --> 00:26:32,400 reservation and so we're not really 555 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,200 doing a visionary plan for the 556 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,279 reservation. 557 00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:39,520 I mean, I just want to get my mind 558 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,400 around how those two integrate. Like Bad 559 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,039 River is its own nation, so that has its 560 00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:48,000 own plans. If the cultural sites are on 561 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,840 the res, then the Ashlin County is not 562 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,880 necessarily responsible for tribal 563 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,000 cultural, but it might be other things. 564 00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,840 Is is that am I I don't know. It's 565 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,480 always been a question for me because it 566 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,000 came up with the natural resources 567 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,520 committee. You know, we were talking a 568 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,120 lot about how to protect the res and 569 00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:09,919 what the reservation is doing and it's 570 00:27:09,919 --> 00:27:12,080 not really the county's jurisdiction 571 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,880 under this plan. So, I just maybe 572 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,000 regional planning can help with that. If 573 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,400 I can have permission to speak, I can 574 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,880 answer these questions. 575 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:27,279 Speaking please, Mary Joe. Mary Joe. Um, 576 00:27:27,279 --> 00:27:30,400 so the the agriculture, cultural, and 577 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,360 natural resources section is all one 578 00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:36,880 section of the comprehensive plan. And 579 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,320 I'm working on this with the town of 580 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,080 Moringo right now. Like that section 581 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:44,400 alone is 42 pages. So individually 582 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,600 you're focusing countywide on what are 583 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,000 the natural resources of the county like 584 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,200 what are the water water resources what 585 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,640 are the threatened and endangered 586 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,159 species 587 00:27:56,159 --> 00:28:00,320 um what are land preservation areas um 588 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,880 environmental corridors 589 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,720 and then for the natural resource 590 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:09,120 section you similarly identify things 591 00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:11,760 and then for the cultural resources you 592 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,320 identify by culturally what's 593 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,039 significant across the county. So 594 00:28:17,039 --> 00:28:20,000 architecture, historic buildings, 595 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,360 archaeological sites, and the Bad River 596 00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:27,679 Band of Chippoa would fall into that as 597 00:28:27,679 --> 00:28:30,000 a cultural site. 598 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,520 So, you're identifying these places and 599 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,919 you would provide information about 600 00:28:35,919 --> 00:28:38,480 them, but you're not necessarily 601 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,520 developing goals or activities 602 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:46,080 associated with those individual areas. 603 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:47,760 And then furthermore, for the 604 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,919 agriculture, cultural, and natural 605 00:28:49,919 --> 00:28:52,880 resource section of the plan, we're 606 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,880 going to identify goals and activities 607 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,240 for each of those that are important. 608 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,399 So, natural resources, what are our 609 00:29:02,399 --> 00:29:06,480 goals for natural resources countywide? 610 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,640 And we would look at the current plan 611 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,200 and we would answer from the current 612 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,080 plan from 2016, what were those goals 613 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:15,679 and activities? and have they been 614 00:29:15,679 --> 00:29:17,919 accomplished and are still are they 615 00:29:17,919 --> 00:29:20,320 still irrelevant? And then we would 616 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,720 develop any new activities that we see 617 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,240 fit for the next plan period. Same thing 618 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,640 with cultural resources 619 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,720 like for the town of Moringo, which 620 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,200 we're going through right now, the main 621 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,919 goal is to promote and preserve the 622 00:29:35,919 --> 00:29:39,360 town's cultural resource base. So then 623 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,600 there's a couple activities associated 624 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,559 with that. But for the county plan, we 625 00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:46,559 would be asking ourselves culturally 626 00:29:46,559 --> 00:29:48,240 what's important across the whole 627 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,720 county, whether it's archaeological 628 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,320 sites, historic sites, and then how do 629 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,919 we want to promote the preservation or 630 00:29:57,919 --> 00:30:00,240 restoration or protection of those 631 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,399 things. 632 00:30:02,399 --> 00:30:04,159 So hopefully that answered some of the 633 00:30:04,159 --> 00:30:07,039 question. Um, and if anyone has any 634 00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:09,600 questions, I can try to answer. 635 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,320 Alissa. 636 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,120 So, we know that Bad Rivers quote 637 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:19,760 property is part of Ashlin County and I 638 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,919 just want to verify like with a tribe or 639 00:30:21,919 --> 00:30:25,360 natural or regional planning how to deal 640 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,600 with that as a sovereign nation because 641 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,159 if we're saying that the county will 642 00:30:30,159 --> 00:30:32,399 write goals and objectives and actions 643 00:30:32,399 --> 00:30:34,240 for 644 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,159 natural resources that are within a 645 00:30:36,159 --> 00:30:38,000 reservation, which is a federally 646 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,080 designated boundary for a sovereign 647 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,360 nation, then they need to be a lot more 648 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,039 deeply involved in this whole process. 649 00:30:47,039 --> 00:30:50,000 But I don't think we have any goals or 650 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,880 actions in the plan right now. I think 651 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,200 there's only one in the current plan 652 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,159 that says something specifically about 653 00:30:58,159 --> 00:31:00,880 Bad River. Um because we have no 654 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,480 jurisdiction over them. We we could 655 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,159 write an action in here a natural 656 00:31:04,159 --> 00:31:05,600 resource. Those you should do this with 657 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,520 the sloo or whatever we want it. But 658 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,520 there that's it's like saying to Canada. 659 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,679 So I just I'm just as we keep going 660 00:31:13,679 --> 00:31:17,279 forward just how do we acknowledge the 661 00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:19,360 difference between the two governmental 662 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,159 entities. 663 00:31:22,159 --> 00:31:25,120 Liz, that's why I think that the tribe 664 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,000 should be involved in this and you know 665 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,720 we're not telling them you know what to 666 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,880 do. They're going to give us guidance 667 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,760 and what we should do. And just like 668 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,399 Mary Joe said about archaeology or 669 00:31:38,399 --> 00:31:42,480 architecture or any natural resources, 670 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,120 they will, you know, guide us through 671 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:49,200 what they they know about natural 672 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,880 resources, endangered species, how to 673 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,840 protect those um environmental things, 674 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,519 too. 675 00:31:57,519 --> 00:31:59,679 Yeah. in our plan. I mean, we're not 676 00:31:59,679 --> 00:32:02,640 making goals and activities for the 677 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,279 reservation, but we could recognize like 678 00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:07,200 we understand that the Kagan and Bad 679 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,559 River Slooh's are uh international 680 00:32:10,559 --> 00:32:13,279 significant wetland and we promote 681 00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:16,640 supporting high water quality there. 682 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,399 Like it could be things where you 683 00:32:18,399 --> 00:32:21,679 recognize the significance and we're in 684 00:32:21,679 --> 00:32:26,080 support of the protection of that but we 685 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,159 would not actually be developing 686 00:32:28,159 --> 00:32:31,760 activities to implement on the tribal 687 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,919 lands. 688 00:32:33,919 --> 00:32:36,080 Erica 689 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,480 Mary Joe said perfectly what I was going 690 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,399 to say. So that is not we should keep 691 00:32:42,399 --> 00:32:44,080 our language so that we understand 692 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,840 there's two parts to the plan. One is a 693 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,159 background session section which is 694 00:32:48,159 --> 00:32:50,640 descriptive and talking about the assets 695 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,519 on in the county which you could say bad 696 00:32:53,519 --> 00:32:56,399 river sloo blah blah blah part two where 697 00:32:56,399 --> 00:32:58,559 all of this work that we're doing I 698 00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:02,320 think is in um all of these work groups 699 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,799 are set up for part two which is goals 700 00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:08,159 objectives and actions. So, we should be 701 00:33:08,159 --> 00:33:10,080 like 702 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:11,919 intentional about when we're talking 703 00:33:11,919 --> 00:33:14,080 about the tribe, what we're how we're 704 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,640 engaging them in what part of the plan 705 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,320 because they really don't have um 706 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,080 and we work with Bad River all the time. 707 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,799 I mean as as well while Mary Joe was on 708 00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:26,720 the natural resources and the egg work 709 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,559 group and we had Bad River people there, 710 00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:31,120 but we were being really clear that the 711 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,360 goals and objectives of part two were 712 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,880 not um engaged with Bad River unless we 713 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,200 said work with Bad River as a as a 714 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,080 partner, but that all of this work that 715 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:43,919 we're talking about to describe natural 716 00:33:43,919 --> 00:33:47,279 resources or archaeological sites um 717 00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:49,039 that's all in part one. It's just 718 00:33:49,039 --> 00:33:51,600 descriptive. And then still we should be 719 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,440 working as I'm sure regional planning 720 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,679 will understand really deeply with like 721 00:33:55,679 --> 00:33:57,840 their typo office for the cultural 722 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,000 resources and a lot of that information 723 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,799 is not shared with the public but at 724 00:34:02,799 --> 00:34:05,840 least they would say a list here's our 725 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,000 historically relevant sites like the 726 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,839 cemetery or the pawa grounds or 727 00:34:09,839 --> 00:34:12,079 something. So, I'm just trying to figure 728 00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:15,280 out our language so that we're working 729 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,119 as good neighbors with the tribe, but 730 00:34:17,119 --> 00:34:18,960 not like setting expectations or 731 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:20,720 stepping into things that aren't our 732 00:34:20,720 --> 00:34:22,800 jurisdiction. 733 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,919 Any other comments or discussion? 734 00:34:25,919 --> 00:34:28,159 Uh Pat, 735 00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:30,800 part of Bad River is owned by folks that 736 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,119 aren't members of Bad River, which is a 737 00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:34,560 whole another layer of making it 738 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:39,520 interesting. But the comp plan 739 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,589 um 740 00:34:43,599 --> 00:34:45,200 doesn't give us authority to do 741 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:46,639 everything that we might like to do 742 00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:48,320 within all of the boundaries of Ashlin 743 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,079 County. The city of Ashton, for example, 744 00:34:50,079 --> 00:34:53,119 controls their zoning. We don't. you 745 00:34:53,119 --> 00:34:54,720 know, the city of Melon is going to make 746 00:34:54,720 --> 00:34:56,879 decisions on what they choose to do. Uh 747 00:34:56,879 --> 00:34:59,280 people with wooded and farmland are 748 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,680 going to make decisions that uh they 749 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,000 choose given that they have the property 750 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,480 right. So on every 751 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,680 square inch of Ashlin County, 752 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,480 somebody else has some authority to make 753 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,720 some decisions and ours is limited. So, 754 00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:16,960 as we go through this, we always have to 755 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,520 bear in mind, you know, what do we have 756 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,240 authority to do as a county and what 757 00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:25,200 don't we? And it varies 758 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:26,640 where we're at in the county and 759 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,880 certainly varies with Bad River, but it 760 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,400 varies with the city of Aston and 761 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,680 everywhere else, too. And so that's why, 762 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,599 you know, it's a plan and we work 763 00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:37,359 towards, but it's always going to take 764 00:35:37,359 --> 00:35:40,880 cooperation and decisions by others to 765 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,960 change anything that the majority or the 766 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,440 owners perceive to be a positive change. 767 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,160 So when I read the comp plan for the 768 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,960 township I own land in, it's, you know, 769 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,480 I can tell who some of the people were 770 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,960 that wrote it or involved in it and I 771 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,520 really like it. But then I look around 772 00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,680 and you know we all own our own land and 773 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,200 people clearly make different decisions 774 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,440 on what they do or don't do. And and 775 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,640 that reminds me that plans can be very 776 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,520 good but it still takes the individual 777 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,920 property owners to decide that they want 778 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,920 to engage in what's in the plan. 779 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,760 And 780 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,520 other comments I would add that um I 781 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,560 think there's one section where 782 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,720 vision goals and objectives will 783 00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:28,160 actually be really important and that'll 784 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,359 be into intergovernmental relations. So 785 00:36:31,359 --> 00:36:33,359 our vision of how we're working for 786 00:36:33,359 --> 00:36:35,520 instance with Bad River or the city of 787 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,640 Melon or the National Forest Service is 788 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,240 part of what we have to think about what 789 00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:42,880 what our vision is. We can't set the 790 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:44,240 goals and objectives for the National 791 00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:46,560 Forest Service, but we can think about 792 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,119 how we want to work together with them. 793 00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:52,320 Any other comments on the uh 794 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:56,880 subcommittee status reports item 5B? 795 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:01,760 If not, we move on to item 5C, which is 796 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,680 discussion of communications, vehicles, 797 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,839 shared drive for planning documents, 798 00:37:07,839 --> 00:37:10,480 websites, email, social media, 799 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,800 electronic surveys. 800 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:17,200 I think we're not fully clear on our 801 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,839 communication strategies 802 00:37:19,839 --> 00:37:23,520 and I'm deeply concerned that we not get 803 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,119 our communications tangled in a mess. 804 00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:30,079 So thoughts, comments, 805 00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:34,000 insights, wisdom, anybody 806 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,400 that 807 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,880 I guess one big picture thought is that 808 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,520 this committee is a standing committee 809 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,520 and not an ad hoc committee. Most 810 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,119 counties would have an ad hoc committee, 811 00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:46,400 which means you do your work, you're 812 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,880 finished, you're done. Um, we chose to 813 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,040 make it a standing committee as a board 814 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,119 so that things related to climate change 815 00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:55,520 in particular, we had more flexibility 816 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,320 to um, look at things over a 10-year 817 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,000 period and decide we want to make some 818 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:01,839 changes because the world really seems 819 00:38:01,839 --> 00:38:04,000 to change faster than it used to. So, it 820 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,680 gives us more flexibility. So in terms 821 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,079 of the communications it would be just 822 00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:10,400 that as things are put online you know 823 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,079 for example a website where people could 824 00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:14,560 add comments that we state those things 825 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,320 in a way that um indicates this is 826 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,720 ongoing collecting feedback information 827 00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:23,680 suggestions whatever versus here's a 828 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,400 deadline and after that you know we're 829 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,280 done because it's a standing not an ad 830 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,760 hoc. just that we bear that in mind as 831 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,920 we consider language as we collect 832 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,950 stuff. 833 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,280 Other other comments or discussion? 834 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,920 Erica, do you have um a sense of where 835 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:46,160 we stand on things like um a website for 836 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:50,079 or a central location for information? 837 00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:51,599 What's your view on that? And then I'll 838 00:38:51,599 --> 00:38:53,040 come to Lisa actually I think on the 839 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,240 same question. I have not checked out 840 00:38:56,240 --> 00:39:00,160 the website which I think was created 841 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,800 right by Rachel. Did Rachel set up a 842 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,920 website and then add the email to it? 843 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,960 But the website really only has 844 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,040 the previous 845 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:15,280 comp plan, the plan from 2016 on it. So 846 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,160 that's the sort of public-f facing 847 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:19,920 repository 848 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,760 of information I think that we have 849 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,839 planned going forward although I don't 850 00:39:25,839 --> 00:39:30,320 think it's fully um fleshed out yet. 851 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,640 the other. So, it's not a website, but 852 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,119 it's on SharePoint that I think we 853 00:39:35,119 --> 00:39:40,160 should perhaps talk about and maybe use 854 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,320 a little more because I think that it's 855 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,800 perhaps only Dan and myself that are 856 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,400 adding documents to it right now. um is 857 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,920 that on SharePoint under AC County 858 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,920 Administration and then documents, 859 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,680 Dan and I have been uploading the 860 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,119 municipality comp plans, uh population 861 00:40:03,119 --> 00:40:06,160 projections through 2050, 862 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,320 any other public input that we've 863 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,000 received, 864 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,240 all of the county department feedback 865 00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:16,560 and documents that I've received um from 866 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:20,880 the the two question survey um that we 867 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,480 distributed. 868 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:27,200 So that place is I think the one 869 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,560 clearing house for us that will be 870 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,960 continue to be very useful if we can I 871 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:36,720 will do my best I think it's pretty well 872 00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:38,880 organized right now like within folders 873 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,200 and subfolders so that people can have a 874 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:46,000 flow of where things go. Um, 875 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,160 I am 876 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,760 not aware if anybody else has editorial 877 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,560 capabilities on that if you can upload 878 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,280 things because I think Dan had to ask 879 00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:01,200 Rachel to add me to have it on there. 880 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,000 But George, were you able to access 881 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,720 those things? Okay. So, regarding 882 00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:09,280 SharePoint, so Erica sent me a link. 883 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,760 Yeah. this last week and I tried to use 884 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,040 that link and I totally failed 885 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,400 and I I had to reset my password and 886 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,760 then my password would reset and then I 887 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,440 couldn't get my email for a couple of 888 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,560 days and then finally Rachel helped me 889 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,400 get it all straightened out but it took 890 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,440 her a long time to figure out. So, 891 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,599 because many of us aren't very familiar 892 00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:37,280 with these tablet computers and with the 893 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,680 particular software, 894 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,079 um I think we need to if we're going to 895 00:41:42,079 --> 00:41:43,280 use a resource, we're going to have to 896 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,240 train ourselves about how to use it. So, 897 00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:47,920 um Brad, did you have an experience? 898 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,480 Yeah. Well, February 5th, Rachel sent 899 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,920 the SharePoint and I tried then and I 900 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,680 just tried again and I had the same 901 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,680 issue. It says it's my password is not 902 00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,839 valid and yet that's my password. So, I 903 00:41:59,839 --> 00:42:01,200 don't want to reset because I need to 904 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,680 get into my email. But, right. So, there 905 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,400 must be some other password that was a 906 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,359 tied that isn't tied to anything I'm 907 00:42:09,359 --> 00:42:12,720 using here. Um, but it should be the 908 00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:14,480 thing is is it's Microsoft Office, so it 909 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:15,760 should be the same thing as the Outlook 910 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,520 and I can log into Outlook, but I can't 911 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,760 log into the SharePoint. So, I don't 912 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,839 know if it's a security setting on not 913 00:42:21,839 --> 00:42:23,440 being on the same network, but I'm in 914 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,440 here. I'm on the same network. It should 915 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,200 work. But I'm guessing it's a 916 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,720 permissions thing and I'm in here now 917 00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:32,960 and it's not offering me the capability 918 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,440 of giving permissions to anyone else. So 919 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,599 I think that it's probably Rachel that 920 00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:39,760 controls those permissions. 921 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,960 Um I can definitely talk to her and make 922 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:44,960 sure all committee members are added and 923 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,880 have editorial access to it. Is Alissa 924 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,640 is that for the committee access or is 925 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,680 there a public facing website there? 926 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,040 There were two things we've talked 927 00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:58,319 about. So the first was the public 928 00:42:58,319 --> 00:43:01,359 facing website that Rachel set up. This 929 00:43:01,359 --> 00:43:04,079 SharePoint is only for committee access. 930 00:43:04,079 --> 00:43:06,560 Oh, and there I did get in. You did get 931 00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:11,280 in. Just got me in. Weird. I just 932 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,680 but it must be a network thing that when 933 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,560 I'm at home you can't get I wasn't able 934 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,520 to interesting 935 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,880 okay though the the public facing 936 00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,400 part is on the county website yes under 937 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,800 planning committee easy to access that 938 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,640 seem to works just fine and we'll have 939 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:34,480 to decide what we want to put on there 940 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,440 I'm wondering if we want to put our 941 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,000 meeting minutes when they are approved. 942 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,920 Uh the meeting minutes are accessible 943 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,000 through the calendar, but it might be 944 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,800 useful to folks to be able to go to that 945 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,440 one place and see the the series of 946 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,119 proceedings through the minutes 947 00:43:51,119 --> 00:43:53,760 meetings. Could we do that, 948 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,359 Karisha? I could definitely look into 949 00:43:55,359 --> 00:43:58,160 that. Okay, Karisha will look into that. 950 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:02,560 Thank you very much. Um other discussion 951 00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,560 on our communications, surveys, media, 952 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:11,349 etc. Melissa, do you have observations? 953 00:44:11,359 --> 00:44:13,920 Well, 954 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,480 I wasn't sure what the difference was be 955 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,839 between C and D. 956 00:44:19,839 --> 00:44:22,800 Um because it seemed like C those were 957 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,200 all tools that you would use in a public 958 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:29,040 participation plan. Um my main thought 959 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,200 on both C and D is I have no 960 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:35,839 understanding yet of who does what. Um, 961 00:44:35,839 --> 00:44:38,640 the most recent thing I have is, um, I 962 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,200 think regional planning might have used 963 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,680 Bernett County's template for a public 964 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,079 participation and then they crossed out 965 00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:47,359 different things that weren't relevant 966 00:44:47,359 --> 00:44:49,760 to Ash County, 967 00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,680 but it doesn't say anything about who 968 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,240 does what or anything. So before I would 969 00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:57,200 ever like approve a participation plan 970 00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:01,359 would be like what are the um exact 971 00:45:01,359 --> 00:45:04,560 tools some sort of timeline and who's 972 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,520 doing what 973 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,200 you know extension does a lot of 974 00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,520 outreach already on this so we're happy 975 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:15,839 to help but I'm not sure if um like 976 00:45:15,839 --> 00:45:18,720 regional planning are they the 977 00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:21,440 out outer voice for the group do you 978 00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,160 know what I mean are they uh voice. So, 979 00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,000 they're doing a survey and they're doing 980 00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,839 a newsletter and they're keeping your 981 00:45:27,839 --> 00:45:29,839 website. I don't know. I just it feels 982 00:45:29,839 --> 00:45:31,040 like there needs to be a lot more 983 00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:32,800 details. 984 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,240 I 100% agree. Especially if you're 985 00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:38,560 getting comments from the public or 986 00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,640 questions, there has to be a clearing 987 00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,560 house for someone to be able to respond 988 00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,839 or to gather and keep that information 989 00:45:45,839 --> 00:45:48,870 together. 990 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:50,800 But that was what the email is for, 991 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,880 right? that Rachel did set up and is on 992 00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,720 the website, right? But originally that 993 00:45:56,720 --> 00:45:59,200 request for that email came from me 994 00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,359 because we have six different educators 995 00:46:01,359 --> 00:46:03,520 and we're trying to just like if there's 996 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,119 public comments, people are like, I 997 00:46:05,119 --> 00:46:07,119 don't know who to talk to at UW. So go 998 00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:10,480 to outreach extension and you can put it 999 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,160 in there. It'll come to me and my 1000 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,200 director and then we'll um farm the 1001 00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:19,839 question out. that turned into a um 1002 00:46:19,839 --> 00:46:22,079 could we use that also for the comp 1003 00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:25,920 plan. However, um Rachel then nixed the 1004 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,520 whole idea on it for extension and she 1005 00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,240 asked extension to get their own email. 1006 00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:35,200 So then that email address went back to 1007 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:40,079 Dan and the last I heard was Dan and um 1008 00:46:40,079 --> 00:46:43,040 I think George and maybe you Erica get 1009 00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,040 that to you. it gets forwarded to you 1010 00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:46,800 and I'm out of the picture. Extensions 1011 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,640 out of that picture. We're going to get 1012 00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:52,880 our own general outreach email. 1013 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:57,280 So, I'm not seeing anything yet. Rachel 1014 00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,200 just said, "Yeah, we'll use it for the 1015 00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,000 county employees because it's an Ashlin 1016 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,720 County email address." 1017 00:47:04,720 --> 00:47:07,599 Is that making sense? 1018 00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:10,800 Started out UW, now it's all county. So 1019 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,800 there is an email address that's about 1020 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,839 the plan that George and I and Dan have 1021 00:47:15,839 --> 00:47:17,520 access to. I don't know if Eric I don't 1022 00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,720 I don't but so there is an email and 1023 00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:22,079 that's what's on the website so that 1024 00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:24,480 people can submit comments about the 1025 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,040 plan to that email address with with the 1026 00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,520 word extensions not in it. The word 1027 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,839 extension is not in it. Okay. The email 1028 00:47:31,839 --> 00:47:34,480 address is 1029 00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,040 um 1030 00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:42,630 I got to find it here. 1031 00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,680 So then who actually consolidates those 1032 00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:49,760 comments and where do they go? 1033 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,800 So on the 1034 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,069 um 1035 00:47:56,079 --> 00:47:57,839 there was a bunch of emails. Did I end 1036 00:47:57,839 --> 00:48:00,640 up deleting it 1037 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:04,240 for when I got back? But uh the email 1038 00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:07,839 was supposed to say or anybody that 1039 00:48:07,839 --> 00:48:09,520 direct was directed to the email. It's 1040 00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,359 supposed to say if you want specific 1041 00:48:11,359 --> 00:48:14,400 response, please acknowledge that you 1042 00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,720 want a response in the email. Otherwise, 1043 00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:18,560 it's just comments and they're going to 1044 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:22,960 uh coalate and George and I will um have 1045 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,520 access to those and can be able to divvy 1046 00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,760 them up wherever they need to go um 1047 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,160 based off those subcommittees. I'm 1048 00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:34,160 looking for where that be. 1049 00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,319 Okay, allow me to say that um at this 1050 00:48:36,319 --> 00:48:39,920 point discussion item C is simply about 1051 00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,400 tools. We're only talking about tools 1052 00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:47,280 that we would want to be able to deploy 1053 00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,680 in service of our engagement with the 1054 00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,079 public. We haven't invited engagement 1055 00:48:52,079 --> 00:48:53,760 with the public other than to attend 1056 00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,440 these meetings which was made in the 1057 00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,599 public announcement. 1058 00:48:57,599 --> 00:49:00,960 And when we know how a website would 1059 00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,839 work or how surveys would actually work, 1060 00:49:03,839 --> 00:49:06,800 then we can issue invitations for public 1061 00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,680 participation and we will have to have 1062 00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,400 have decided how we will manage their 1063 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,920 input in those in instances. So, so to 1064 00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:17,760 make it even more confusing for you, 1065 00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:22,319 Lisa, the email is extension info 1066 00:49:22,319 --> 00:49:24,480 wisconsin.gov. I'm glad it's coming up 1067 00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:28,240 again because it it is a tangled web and 1068 00:49:28,240 --> 00:49:30,400 we wanted something different and then 1069 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,240 we thought, oh, we'll use the same one, 1070 00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:35,280 but it it needs to be like probably 1071 00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,839 should have it like comp comprehensive 1072 00:49:37,839 --> 00:49:41,040 planning at with SC at Ashlin County. 1073 00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,599 Exactly. Is it that's what I want. It 1074 00:49:43,599 --> 00:49:46,480 might need to be something changed on 1075 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,800 that email address. It hasn't nobody's 1076 00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,680 been used. It's out. Was it in the uh 1077 00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,280 George, was that email address in the uh 1078 00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,040 It's not the public notice that went 1079 00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,000 out? It's not anywhere right now. So, I 1080 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,480 I'll take to action item to ask Rachel 1081 00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,720 to adjust the name on the email. Yeah. 1082 00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:07,359 Okay. Love it, Liz. Thank you. On our 1083 00:50:07,359 --> 00:50:11,119 county website, can the folks of the 1084 00:50:11,119 --> 00:50:15,040 community go on there and see an update 1085 00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,359 or anything that we're doing with the 1086 00:50:17,359 --> 00:50:20,240 comprehensive plan? 1087 00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:22,240 Not yet. So the first step toward that 1088 00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:23,839 would be to post our minutes of our 1089 00:50:23,839 --> 00:50:26,160 meetings to that website. Right now the 1090 00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,720 only things there is a copy of the 2016 1091 00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:30,720 comprehensive plan which is a great 1092 00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:32,160 foundation if people want to understand 1093 00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:35,040 what we're talking about. Also people 1094 00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:38,640 are so addicted to social media. Um, is 1095 00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,720 there any way that we could have a a 1096 00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:47,200 site that they could use to have 1097 00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,760 information but not to comment because 1098 00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,640 the comments would be crazy. 1099 00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,119 There would be too many and nobody would 1100 00:50:55,119 --> 00:50:56,559 be able to answer them. But like 1101 00:50:56,559 --> 00:50:58,480 aformational 1102 00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,680 Facebook site. 1103 00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,559 Thoughts on that? 1104 00:51:04,559 --> 00:51:08,319 We I use Facebook for work extensionally 1105 00:51:08,319 --> 00:51:10,700 extensively extensionally. 1106 00:51:10,700 --> 00:51:13,040 [Laughter] 1107 00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:17,359 Not enough coffee today. Um and and so 1108 00:51:17,359 --> 00:51:19,839 my the way I set my page up, I can share 1109 00:51:19,839 --> 00:51:22,480 and people can take stuff and share it. 1110 00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,599 But I agree with you. Um 1111 00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:27,520 the question about a Facebook page is 1112 00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,240 who who runs it? Like who posts? And 1113 00:51:30,240 --> 00:51:33,839 then I I know it's supposed to be an 1114 00:51:33,839 --> 00:51:35,680 interactive page because the whole thing 1115 00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,480 is built on public input, you know, to 1116 00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,920 drive the future of the county. And 1117 00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,640 people are weird. They say the strangest 1118 00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:46,640 things. I I don't know how if you could 1119 00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,040 cut off count comments that would be 1120 00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:52,480 almost anti- Facebook, but somebody 1121 00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,040 needs to be the carrier or the keeper of 1122 00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,920 that and then either um cut people off 1123 00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,119 if they're getting mad or, you know, um 1124 00:52:01,119 --> 00:52:03,599 give factual information. You need a 1125 00:52:03,599 --> 00:52:06,720 keeper. Yes, for sure. Yeah. I don't 1126 00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:09,839 think the county has a site. I know like 1127 00:52:09,839 --> 00:52:12,240 we have land conservation has a site and 1128 00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:14,000 I think there is a couple other 1129 00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,640 departments that might have a site but I 1130 00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,240 don't think there's actually a county 1131 00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:20,240 site. Does anyone There isn't. There's 1132 00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:21,760 not. There isn't. What are you referring 1133 00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,720 to, Mary Joe? What do you mean by site? 1134 00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:28,240 A a social media site, Facebook or any 1135 00:52:28,240 --> 00:52:31,760 other social media. Okay. Thanks. Yeah. 1136 00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,800 And I would just say that I think we 1137 00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:38,160 avoid it. Um, 1138 00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,440 even with comments off, it's like I I 1139 00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:42,800 don't know. I don't use any social 1140 00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:44,720 media, so I don't know, maybe I'm a bad 1141 00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:48,480 example, but I think it's just uh 1142 00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,680 it it's it's just uh creates headaches 1143 00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,559 and we set it up and then there it's not 1144 00:52:54,559 --> 00:52:56,400 updated and then it I think a web page 1145 00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,000 is better and we direct them to a web 1146 00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,480 page that we can say, "Hey, Rachel, can 1147 00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,240 you update?" or it at least has 1148 00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:04,079 something on there. It's recent. You 1149 00:53:04,079 --> 00:53:06,640 know, it's I think that's my feeling is 1150 00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:08,880 I don't think social media is maybe I'm 1151 00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,119 wrong. I'm might be the youngest person 1152 00:53:11,119 --> 00:53:13,440 in here and I'm not on social media so 1153 00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,079 maybe I'm the wrong but I 1154 00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:19,680 Yeah, it's I I agree the website would 1155 00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:23,520 be great. I mean I I You have your mic 1156 00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,480 on for a reason. Um just memory 1157 00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:30,240 problems. Oh, okay. Um I think my 1158 00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:32,400 observation would be let me make this 1159 00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,200 one comment that um I think social media 1160 00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,359 could be very useful in in inviting 1161 00:53:37,359 --> 00:53:40,000 people to make a comment in a different 1162 00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,240 like on the county website or to submit 1163 00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:44,240 something to a central location so that 1164 00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:45,839 we're not scattered. But so for issuing 1165 00:53:45,839 --> 00:53:48,800 an invitation useful PR but for 1166 00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:50,640 collecting information probably too 1167 00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:54,319 complicated. Uh yeah, Erica, I would 1168 00:53:54,319 --> 00:53:56,640 just say that yeah, if we're issuing 1169 00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:00,000 invitations to come and speak or to like 1170 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:03,119 post, you know, the basics of an agenda 1171 00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:05,280 or what might it be, I think it probably 1172 00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,760 should go on the Ashlin County Extension 1173 00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,160 site if there's because there's no other 1174 00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,640 like we we we can't start a social media 1175 00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,280 campaign from scratch 1176 00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,680 without sufficient 1177 00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:19,839 leverage behind it to actually get 1178 00:54:19,839 --> 00:54:23,280 people to add to their feed. But 1179 00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,200 extension Ashlin County already has a 1180 00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:28,079 few thousand. It's not a lot, but it's I 1181 00:54:28,079 --> 00:54:30,160 mean it's enough and then it's sharable 1182 00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,839 and then people can come. But yeah, I 1183 00:54:33,839 --> 00:54:37,200 mean I don't think we invite feedback 1184 00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,680 about things on Facebook because it's 1185 00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:43,040 not an official county space. Instead, 1186 00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,760 we invite feedback at the meetings where 1187 00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,160 where it's captured. 1188 00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,240 Makes sense to me. Elissa, would would 1189 00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:54,480 that be viable? I promote a lot of 1190 00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:58,400 Ashlin County groups and businesses and 1191 00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:02,240 farmers by just merely saying um UW 1192 00:55:02,240 --> 00:55:04,240 extension works in Ashlin County. Here's 1193 00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:07,359 a great event to um increase a farm 1194 00:55:07,359 --> 00:55:10,319 visit, farm tour or the clean sweeps. It 1195 00:55:10,319 --> 00:55:12,400 was the third list. We did a survey at 1196 00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,079 the clean sweeps. It was the third 1197 00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:16,160 listed thing, most popular thing that 1198 00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:17,599 people got information about clean 1199 00:55:17,599 --> 00:55:19,839 sweeps. Over 100, 300 people came on 1200 00:55:19,839 --> 00:55:22,160 Saturday and that was number three after 1201 00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:26,400 um daily press and um 1202 00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,520 um local newspapers. So, so people do 1203 00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,920 read it. That being said, if the county 1204 00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,319 if you wrote a press release and sent it 1205 00:55:34,319 --> 00:55:36,000 to me, I would just post it and say, 1206 00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,800 "Here's news about Ashlin County comp 1207 00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,520 plan. Please share and blah blah blah." 1208 00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,480 you know, so if that Ashlin anybody 1209 00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:45,920 could do that. You know, League of Women 1210 00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,480 Voters loves to share a lot of stuff and 1211 00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,559 yeah, that that could be done, but I 1212 00:55:50,559 --> 00:55:52,480 didn't want to be the official Ashlin 1213 00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,599 County Facebook. 1214 00:55:55,599 --> 00:56:00,069 But sharing stuff, yeah, 1215 00:56:00,079 --> 00:56:03,280 Pat, so like Brad, I'm not on social 1216 00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,240 media and so far I have refused to be on 1217 00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:07,680 that. I don't think that's going to 1218 00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,559 change. Um, but it's not lost on me when 1219 00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:13,599 we look at C there that those are 1220 00:56:13,599 --> 00:56:15,760 electronic formats and we know from our 1221 00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:19,200 broadband study a few years ago and you 1222 00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,359 know hopefully we get Norvado to expand 1223 00:56:21,359 --> 00:56:23,680 here. Um, we have a lot of people 1224 00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:27,839 without access to broadband and so if 1225 00:56:27,839 --> 00:56:29,760 we're not careful we're not we're going 1226 00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,160 to end up with a biased sample on who we 1227 00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,400 contact. So yes, we can contact people, 1228 00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:35,760 you know, through extension and get 1229 00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,799 some, but unless we do enough things to 1230 00:56:38,799 --> 00:56:41,119 get a representative sample of people in 1231 00:56:41,119 --> 00:56:43,200 the county, you know, we could end up 1232 00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:48,319 with a bias. Um, so we could add maybe 1233 00:56:48,319 --> 00:56:54,079 we print something and send it out. Um, 1234 00:56:54,079 --> 00:56:56,720 with the tax bill, for example, we're 1235 00:56:56,720 --> 00:56:59,760 mailing anyway. The city of Abselum has 1236 00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,240 over the years added more things when 1237 00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:03,920 they mail out the tax bill than they 1238 00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,559 used to. And that might be just a 1239 00:57:06,559 --> 00:57:08,799 paragraph in there, you know, a fourth 1240 00:57:08,799 --> 00:57:11,040 of a sheet or whatever to add that when 1241 00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:12,559 the tax bill goes out. And the timing 1242 00:57:12,559 --> 00:57:15,200 would actually be pretty good as far as, 1243 00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,520 you know, when people get that. And then 1244 00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,760 we know we're covering 1245 00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:23,520 a large number of people, 1246 00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:25,200 you know, but it'd have to get out to 1247 00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,440 every, you know, body with those tax 1248 00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,000 bills. 1249 00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:33,440 Other comments on this agenda item? 1250 00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:35,359 If not, we'll move on to the next one 1251 00:57:35,359 --> 00:57:38,000 which is 5D 1252 00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,319 review and approval of participation 1253 00:57:40,319 --> 00:57:44,799 plan. And I made a note on my copy here 1254 00:57:44,799 --> 00:57:48,480 and this my note is that um 1255 00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,119 we can vote to approve this plan as it 1256 00:57:51,119 --> 00:57:54,079 is been adjusted 1257 00:57:54,079 --> 00:57:56,319 and it those of us who vote in favor of 1258 00:57:56,319 --> 00:57:58,799 it then have a right of moving for 1259 00:57:58,799 --> 00:58:01,359 reconsideration. 1260 00:58:01,359 --> 00:58:04,880 So then we could it can be moved for 1261 00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,520 reconsideration at our next meeting. And 1262 00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,559 so we won't be locked in completely if 1263 00:58:10,559 --> 00:58:12,400 we approve this plan today, but we'll at 1264 00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,960 least have a um a guideline to go 1265 00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:18,400 forward. Um my view of the of the 1266 00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,040 participation plan is one, it's required 1267 00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:24,640 by the statute. Uh two, that this meets 1268 00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:27,359 all the statutory requirements. 1269 00:58:27,359 --> 00:58:29,280 uh we don't know have to need to know 1270 00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:32,079 exactly who is doing which piece of this 1271 00:58:32,079 --> 00:58:35,040 or which tools we're using more or less. 1272 00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:37,760 That's not required. So we can meet the 1273 00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,839 requirement of having an actual 1274 00:58:39,839 --> 00:58:42,880 participation plan in place if we would 1275 00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:44,799 like to approve this today. We might 1276 00:58:44,799 --> 00:58:47,920 not. I did most of the work on just 1277 00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,799 there's a lot of superolous background 1278 00:58:50,799 --> 00:58:52,559 information into the Bernett County 1279 00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:54,720 plan. We don't need to know the history 1280 00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,280 of why the law requires us to do this. 1281 00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,599 We just to know what have to say what we 1282 00:58:59,599 --> 00:59:03,280 plan to do. And so that's the markup and 1283 00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:05,359 I invite discussion and comment and see 1284 00:59:05,359 --> 00:59:06,880 if we want to do anything with this bet. 1285 00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:08,640 So if we approve this today, would the 1286 00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:10,559 next version that we look at have all of 1287 00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:12,799 this crossed out language out and then 1288 00:59:12,799 --> 00:59:15,040 what would amount to a clean copy or 1289 00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,599 would you bring back the same document 1290 00:59:17,599 --> 00:59:20,400 or or both? There is a clean copy in the 1291 00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,640 consolidated draft. It's the clean copy 1292 00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:25,520 already. But would 1293 00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:27,760 But would you Yeah. But would you only 1294 00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:29,839 be bringing back the clean copy or would 1295 00:59:29,839 --> 00:59:33,200 you be bringing 1296 00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:34,799 You can bring back both copies when 1297 00:59:34,799 --> 00:59:36,559 you're doing reconsideration there. The 1298 00:59:36,559 --> 00:59:38,160 two copies have exactly the same 1299 00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,400 wording. One's just not showing the 1300 00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:41,920 deletions and one is showing the 1301 00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:43,520 deletions. 1302 00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:46,480 I mean, those those two 1303 00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,680 versions are exactly the same. Yeah. As 1304 00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:53,839 I kept reading, I thought, "Oh, 1305 00:59:53,839 --> 00:59:56,400 it was it was redundant." I'll just say 1306 00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:59,520 that. Um, anyway, I just want clarity. 1307 00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:01,359 If we bring it back for reconsideration, 1308 01:00:01,359 --> 01:00:03,680 are you talking about the entire file or 1309 01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:07,440 are we proposing only the clean copy? 1310 01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,680 Oh, so if we vote to approve this, we're 1311 01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:13,040 voting to approve the clean copy because 1312 01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,839 if you voted to approve the markedup 1313 01:00:15,839 --> 01:00:18,559 copy, you would be approving 1314 01:00:18,559 --> 01:00:20,079 all those deletions that are in the 1315 01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:22,079 markedup copy. So, it amounts to exactly 1316 01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:23,920 the same thing. Yeah, I see what he's 1317 01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,000 saying. Exactly the same thing. Yeah. I 1318 01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,440 didn't realize until I had waited 1319 01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:29,839 through everything. Sorry. And um just 1320 01:00:29,839 --> 01:00:32,000 for anybody else in case a meeting from 1321 01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,799 now they decide to read things and then 1322 01:00:34,799 --> 01:00:39,910 realizing 1323 01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:43,349 other 1324 01:00:43,359 --> 01:00:50,000 um do I are you um do we have to have um 1325 01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,400 a plan that meets the minimum 1326 01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,559 requirements of law like in place right 1327 01:00:54,559 --> 01:00:56,880 now for any reason? 1328 01:00:56,880 --> 01:01:00,640 Is there we should just Erica, you maybe 1329 01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:02,319 have a little bit better understanding 1330 01:01:02,319 --> 01:01:05,440 than I do about that. The um the 1331 01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,160 timeline that Northwest Regional sent us 1332 01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:11,680 said that we should have a plan in place 1333 01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:15,200 this month, a public participation plan. 1334 01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:17,119 Okay. Yeah. 1335 01:01:17,119 --> 01:01:20,720 So then you know if with that if there's 1336 01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,839 a caveat that says this is an organic 1337 01:01:23,839 --> 01:01:26,720 document that we will be finding new 1338 01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:30,240 ways then you can change it and adopt 1339 01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:32,880 it. They want this is the minimum that 1340 01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:36,720 means you're um qualified or whatever. 1341 01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:40,720 Um, but we there's other things. 1342 01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:43,040 I still am unsettled with a 1343 01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:44,720 communication plan where it doesn't say 1344 01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:46,480 when things are happening or who's doing 1345 01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:48,559 it. But if this fits the law and the law 1346 01:01:48,559 --> 01:01:49,920 doesn't say you better say when you're 1347 01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:51,839 going to do it and who's doing it, then 1348 01:01:51,839 --> 01:01:53,920 this would suffice. But knowing that 1349 01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:55,599 this is an organic thing and we're going 1350 01:01:55,599 --> 01:01:57,599 to keep adopting it. I mean, we're going 1351 01:01:57,599 --> 01:02:00,160 to have a radio station on that is 1352 01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:03,119 located in downtown Ashlin by the end of 1353 01:02:03,119 --> 01:02:04,880 this year. So, I would want something at 1354 01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,040 some point that says part of our actual 1355 01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:09,520 plan that we're going to enact involves 1356 01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:12,559 radio programming where members of the 1357 01:02:12,559 --> 01:02:14,960 community or this committee come on and 1358 01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:16,640 talk about what we're doing and why it's 1359 01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:18,160 important and that kind of thing. You 1360 01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:21,280 know, if if we can make this adaptable 1361 01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:24,000 and organic and change it as we go, 1362 01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,000 cool. Then let's vote for this. Then we 1363 01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:30,240 check off the box for the law. But this 1364 01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:34,559 is not like a plan that's drivable 1365 01:02:34,559 --> 01:02:36,880 yet. Does that make sense? It says right 1366 01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,200 it says right in the plan and taken 1367 01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:43,520 right out of the Bernett County plan uh 1368 01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:46,240 that there will be changes that this is 1369 01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:48,000 this is the baseline but there will be 1370 01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,119 changes as practical circumstances, 1371 01:02:51,119 --> 01:02:54,480 funding other 1372 01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:56,799 factors uh come about. Yeah. Does that 1373 01:02:56,799 --> 01:03:00,079 answer your question then? Well, I when 1374 01:03:00,079 --> 01:03:02,799 I read this, I had no expectation that 1375 01:03:02,799 --> 01:03:04,799 all the details of how everything would 1376 01:03:04,799 --> 01:03:07,040 happen would get done. This is a plan 1377 01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:10,079 and then the details get fleshed out. 1378 01:03:10,079 --> 01:03:11,520 And obviously, you're right, there's a 1379 01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:13,680 lot of fleshing out to do on the actual 1380 01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:17,119 details that get carried out. Um, but if 1381 01:03:17,119 --> 01:03:19,359 you're looking for a motion to approve 1382 01:03:19,359 --> 01:03:21,920 this and we bring back at the next 1383 01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:27,680 meeting just the clean electronic copy 1384 01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:31,599 so that it's both aren't in there, 1385 01:03:31,599 --> 01:03:34,240 you know, then it's just a clean copy. I 1386 01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:36,480 would make that motion to approve the 1387 01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:39,440 clean copy of the public participation 1388 01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:45,109 plan. 1389 01:03:45,119 --> 01:03:48,000 That's your motion. 1390 01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,559 I think that that there already is a 1391 01:03:50,559 --> 01:03:55,039 clean copy, Pat. Do you know that? Well, 1392 01:03:55,039 --> 01:03:56,880 I just don't want to see in the packet 1393 01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,599 all the pages with the crossed out stuff 1394 01:03:59,599 --> 01:04:01,920 next time. So that when we put the 1395 01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:03,760 packet in next time, we're only looking 1396 01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:08,789 at the clean copy. 1397 01:04:08,799 --> 01:04:11,680 It's in the packet. It's It's already 1398 01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:13,599 there. If you click on just that one, 1399 01:04:13,599 --> 01:04:16,400 you don't see the other one. 1400 01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:22,230 Right. So the 1401 01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:24,160 No, both versions are in the packet. And 1402 01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:26,079 that's Pat's saying it's confusing 1403 01:04:26,079 --> 01:04:27,520 because both versions are in the packet 1404 01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:30,160 and only wants the one for the next 1405 01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:32,400 meeting. Only the clean copy in the Do 1406 01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:34,319 we need it in the packet that the next 1407 01:04:34,319 --> 01:04:36,240 meeting? Well, George, in case someone 1408 01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,000 for reconsideration, if you vote in the 1409 01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:39,280 majority, you can bring it back for 1410 01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:41,440 reconsideration. He wants the 1411 01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:43,039 opportunity for someone to bring it back 1412 01:04:43,039 --> 01:04:45,039 for reconsideration if someone decides 1413 01:04:45,039 --> 01:04:46,960 they want to make some changes at the 1414 01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:48,400 next meeting. And when you bring it back 1415 01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:50,640 for reconsideration, it has to be at the 1416 01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:53,440 very next meeting after it was approved. 1417 01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:56,160 Um otherwise that opportunity lapse 1418 01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:58,079 after the next meeting, right? And 1419 01:04:58,079 --> 01:05:00,720 reconsideration can only be moved by 1420 01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:02,400 someone who voted in favor of the plan 1421 01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,960 to begin with. At the next meeting. At 1422 01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:07,520 the next meeting. 1423 01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:10,400 A motion. There's a motion made to 1424 01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:12,400 approve 1425 01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:16,240 uh the Ashlin County comprehensive plan 1426 01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:18,880 for public participation plan as 1427 01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:22,720 presented. Is there a second? I I'll 1428 01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:24,160 second that. There's a second. So now 1429 01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:25,440 for discussion, Erica, do you have a 1430 01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:27,680 comment? There are a few highlighted 1431 01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:31,119 areas in the clean copy around a couple 1432 01:05:31,119 --> 01:05:32,799 of different things like around the 1433 01:05:32,799 --> 01:05:35,680 issue of the email address whether we 1434 01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:38,640 insert postal addresses these sorts of 1435 01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:41,680 things. So I think if and when we bring 1436 01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:45,359 it back perhaps we say you know adopted 1437 01:05:45,359 --> 01:05:50,240 on this state edited and updated on 1438 01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:52,160 whatever later all the later dates that 1439 01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:54,960 we that we do that. 1440 01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:58,000 which sounds fine to me. I mean the that 1441 01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:00,480 email address and 1442 01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:02,480 um postal address are not a legal 1443 01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:05,440 requirement but I they should be in our 1444 01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:07,280 final version and so I think that would 1445 01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:09,599 come back under reconsideration. 1446 01:06:09,599 --> 01:06:14,000 So the one hesitance that I have on this 1447 01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,720 plan is that like there's I think seven 1448 01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:19,359 stages. Um and there's basically a 1449 01:06:19,359 --> 01:06:22,319 public meeting in each of those stages 1450 01:06:22,319 --> 01:06:26,000 and we're now 1451 01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,559 uh I guess 18 months from needing to 1452 01:06:28,559 --> 01:06:30,960 adopt it. Are we going to be able to 1453 01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:33,680 have at least seven different public 1454 01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:37,039 meetings that address these in this next 1455 01:06:37,039 --> 01:06:39,680 18 months? 1456 01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:41,359 Well, it's pretty easy to have a public 1457 01:06:41,359 --> 01:06:44,000 meeting. This is this is officially open 1458 01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:45,520 to the public right now. Well, I thought 1459 01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:48,319 there something that there was a time 1460 01:06:48,319 --> 01:06:50,720 frame on the amount of time for noticing 1461 01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:53,440 it. And maybe that was just the hearing 1462 01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:57,280 and not the meeting, but I 1463 01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:59,119 public hearing. The public hearing has 1464 01:06:59,119 --> 01:07:00,640 that and there's only one public 1465 01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:02,880 hearing, I think. 1466 01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:05,910 Um, 1467 01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:07,920 right. There's a public hearing required 1468 01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:11,520 after the the plan has been written in 1469 01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:14,640 its final form or in its preliminary 1470 01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:17,520 final form so the public can object or 1471 01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:20,400 or approve or suggest changes before it 1472 01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:22,480 goes to the accounting board for final 1473 01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:25,990 approval. 1474 01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:29,280 Um I just I don't know what the it for 1475 01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:32,240 the public meetings. It just says uh at 1476 01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:35,039 a minimum the requirements of stat state 1477 01:07:35,039 --> 01:07:37,359 statute 19.31 pertaining to public 1478 01:07:37,359 --> 01:07:39,200 meetings and notification will be met. I 1479 01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:41,839 don't know what the minimum is but 1480 01:07:41,839 --> 01:07:45,039 that's like seven and 30. If it's 30 1481 01:07:45,039 --> 01:07:49,039 days with the minimum public notice on 1482 01:07:49,039 --> 01:07:51,599 that 30 days, seven, we're really 1483 01:07:51,599 --> 01:07:56,400 pushing getting seven meetings in. 1484 01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:59,280 If it's only two, if it's only 10 days 1485 01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:00,880 notice, we can probably get it. But I 1486 01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:02,640 mean, if you're talking seven of the 1487 01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:04,720 months to get I mean, yeah, I guess we 1488 01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:06,240 could do seven months in a row, but 1489 01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:10,000 we're not in those stages then. Mhm. 1490 01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:13,359 So I don't know what state statute 19.31 1491 01:08:13,359 --> 01:08:16,319 mayor Joe requires for Morango. We're 1492 01:08:16,319 --> 01:08:19,440 our comprehensive plan. We meet monthly 1493 01:08:19,440 --> 01:08:23,199 and um the Northwest Regional Planning 1494 01:08:23,199 --> 01:08:24,640 Commission when they get started on 1495 01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:26,719 this, they'll start scheduling those 1496 01:08:26,719 --> 01:08:29,040 meetings and helping to get those 1497 01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:30,960 organized. And then once you come up 1498 01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:34,480 with a draft plan, then that gets posted 1499 01:08:34,480 --> 01:08:37,920 for public review and the public has 30 1500 01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:41,199 days to review it before the final 1501 01:08:41,199 --> 01:08:42,560 hearing and that's where they would 1502 01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:45,359 offer comments or support and that sort 1503 01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:47,759 of thing. But that class one public 1504 01:08:47,759 --> 01:08:51,679 notice is is at the end when you 1505 01:08:51,679 --> 01:08:53,839 actually have something to review and 1506 01:08:53,839 --> 01:08:57,440 they that has to be notified 30 days 1507 01:08:57,440 --> 01:09:00,560 before the public hearing but that's 1508 01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:04,000 only a one-time event. 1509 01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:06,319 But Brad, were you talking about public 1510 01:09:06,319 --> 01:09:08,719 meetings? Public meetings that each 1511 01:09:08,719 --> 01:09:10,640 stage has a public meeting and the 1512 01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:12,799 public hearing is in stage seven. But 1513 01:09:12,799 --> 01:09:16,080 like stage six, it says open house and 1514 01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:18,400 public meeting. That's two events that 1515 01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:20,640 have to be publicly noticed. And I don't 1516 01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:23,040 know what 19.31 1517 01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:25,920 what the minimum. I I just don't want to 1518 01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:28,799 put us in a bind with that. We got to 1519 01:09:28,799 --> 01:09:30,560 like go ahead and notice the first 1520 01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:31,920 meeting when we're not ready for that 1521 01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:35,590 first meeting yet. 1522 01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:37,440 Well, what is are we required to have 1523 01:09:37,440 --> 01:09:38,640 seven meetings? Is that what you're 1524 01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:39,920 saying? that that's what I'm saying is 1525 01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:42,799 do we want each stage to have a public 1526 01:09:42,799 --> 01:09:45,279 meeting as as something that's in here? 1527 01:09:45,279 --> 01:09:48,799 That's what like that seems like maybe a 1528 01:09:48,799 --> 01:09:51,839 lot but maybe I'm but maybe like Mary 1529 01:09:51,839 --> 01:09:53,520 Joe said monthly meetings we just 1530 01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:56,080 schedule them and and then go and we got 1531 01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:59,760 we just hit the seven seven months 1532 01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:03,440 leading into 30 days. Basically what 1533 01:10:03,440 --> 01:10:05,199 will happen is you'll have a meeting 1534 01:10:05,199 --> 01:10:07,520 related to each topic like there'll be a 1535 01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:09,840 meeting for agriculture cultural and 1536 01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:12,800 natural resources and at the meeting 1537 01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:15,360 then Northwest Regional Planning 1538 01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:17,440 Commission would review the background 1539 01:10:17,440 --> 01:10:20,239 elements the maps the items that were in 1540 01:10:20,239 --> 01:10:23,600 the previous plan and then for that 1541 01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:26,400 second piece that Lisa referenced early 1542 01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:30,320 on that's the policy part and that's 1543 01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:32,400 where you would mention the goals goals 1544 01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:34,560 related to agriculture, cultural 1545 01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:36,880 resources and natural resources in the 1546 01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:40,320 previous plan were this and here were 1547 01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:43,120 the activities or the objectives. 1548 01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:45,679 Are these still relevant? What things 1549 01:10:45,679 --> 01:10:48,640 should we cross off and then that's 1550 01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:51,280 where that is the public meeting so 1551 01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:53,520 people could attend that and weigh in. 1552 01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:56,320 Then doing that, we just went from seven 1553 01:10:56,320 --> 01:11:02,239 to 27 or 28. Um maybe even more because 1554 01:11:02,239 --> 01:11:07,040 this this each stage of this plan 1555 01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:09,840 has stage two is data collection and 1556 01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:11,600 analysis. Okay, that's easy. But that 1557 01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:13,120 means seven meetings because we have 1558 01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:15,840 seven sections. And then issue 1559 01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:17,840 identification, that's another seven 1560 01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:20,080 meetings. And then develop goals and 1561 01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:22,320 objective, another seven meetings. And 1562 01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:24,560 then strategy development, another seven 1563 01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:27,040 meetings. And then if we do it by each 1564 01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:28,719 one, I think we want to group them all 1565 01:11:28,719 --> 01:11:31,600 and have meetings. Not we because that's 1566 01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:34,640 a lot of meetings to to to have. If 1567 01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:37,920 we're going to have monthly meetings 1568 01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:41,199 and go through these stages 1569 01:11:41,199 --> 01:11:44,080 um that are listed is 1570 01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:47,520 we that's my concern is the way this is 1571 01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:49,840 listed. It's a lot of meetings depending 1572 01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:52,320 on how we're going to do it. 1573 01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:54,239 I think it will help you get to the 1574 01:11:54,239 --> 01:11:56,480 guidance part from the regional planning 1575 01:11:56,480 --> 01:11:59,120 commission. I agree. We have the scope 1576 01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:01,120 of work from Northwest Regional 1577 01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:05,760 Planning. The timeline listed within the 1578 01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,560 last three pages of the scope of work 1579 01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:11,760 lists seven meetings 1580 01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:14,239 and they're calling it steering 1581 01:12:14,239 --> 01:12:17,840 committee meetings, but it's about each 1582 01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:20,239 of those seven sections. 1583 01:12:20,239 --> 01:12:24,400 And I believe this is what they mean by 1584 01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:26,159 open meetings, right? So this meeting is 1585 01:12:26,159 --> 01:12:28,239 an open meeting. And so each of these 1586 01:12:28,239 --> 01:12:29,760 seven things will be talked about in 1587 01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:31,760 this meeting, open to the public. And 1588 01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:34,640 then the last one is actually steering 1589 01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:38,719 committee meeting eight. Consider public 1590 01:12:38,719 --> 01:12:40,560 comment, draft plan finalization, 1591 01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:42,480 approve resolution. 1592 01:12:42,480 --> 01:12:45,840 Um so all of those come together but 1593 01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:48,080 they then they also sorry in public 1594 01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:53,679 meeting seven say month 1213 1595 01:12:53,679 --> 01:12:55,600 um should sort of be our public 1596 01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:59,199 openhouse and discussion around all of 1597 01:12:59,199 --> 01:13:01,679 it 1598 01:13:01,679 --> 01:13:03,520 and that would be your public hearing 1599 01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:06,719 most likely. Right. 1600 01:13:06,719 --> 01:13:09,280 Yes. So, she's exactly correct and 1601 01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:10,719 that's sort of what I was trying to 1602 01:13:10,719 --> 01:13:13,120 describe. 1603 01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:16,080 Other comments or discussion on the 1604 01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:19,120 motion that is on the floor? 1605 01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:22,239 I will add my thought on this section 1606 01:13:22,239 --> 01:13:25,679 that Brad is referring to 1607 01:13:25,679 --> 01:13:30,080 at the end of this uh plan document 1608 01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:33,040 which is public participation plan 1609 01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:36,960 planning stage and adoption process. 1610 01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:39,840 I I take this as a guideline 1611 01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:41,440 uh that some of these things are going 1612 01:13:41,440 --> 01:13:45,360 to happen concurrently. Yeah. Uh 1613 01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:47,440 this is kind of an outline kind of a 1614 01:13:47,440 --> 01:13:50,000 checklist rather than a prescriptive of 1615 01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:53,280 a lockstep pattern to follow and that's 1616 01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:55,920 my interpretation of this. Other 1617 01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:58,560 comments that was exactly my question. 1618 01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:01,840 Is this part of the minimum required by 1619 01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:04,239 the state law this whole section? 1620 01:14:04,239 --> 01:14:05,920 because I also thought it was a 1621 01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:07,440 checklist. Like if you look at the 1622 01:14:07,440 --> 01:14:10,159 pre-planning, I mean, we've already met 1623 01:14:10,159 --> 01:14:12,640 multiple times on all of that. So, is 1624 01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:14,719 this just like here's your to-do list, 1625 01:14:14,719 --> 01:14:16,080 make sure you're checking off this 1626 01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:18,239 stuff, or is this part of the minimum 1627 01:14:18,239 --> 01:14:21,679 required by the end of June that Erica 1628 01:14:21,679 --> 01:14:23,120 mentioned earlier? We want to have a 1629 01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:24,960 public participation plan by the end of 1630 01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:26,800 June. Is that part of the state 1631 01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:29,360 requirements? Okay, here is the state 1632 01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:31,199 requirement. 1633 01:14:31,199 --> 01:14:33,040 The governing body of a local 1634 01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:35,679 governmental unit shall adopt written 1635 01:14:35,679 --> 01:14:38,320 procedures that are designed to foster 1636 01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:40,400 public participation, 1637 01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:42,960 including open discussion, communication 1638 01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:45,679 programs, information services, and 1639 01:14:45,679 --> 01:14:47,840 public meetings for which advanced 1640 01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:50,400 notice has been provided in every stage 1641 01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:52,480 of the preparation of a comprehensive 1642 01:14:52,480 --> 01:14:55,280 plan. The written procedures shall 1643 01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:57,199 provide for wide distribution of 1644 01:14:57,199 --> 01:14:59,199 proposed, alternative, and amended 1645 01:14:59,199 --> 01:15:01,600 elements of a comprehensive plan and 1646 01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:03,920 shall provide an opportunity for written 1647 01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:06,239 comments on the plan to be submitted by 1648 01:15:06,239 --> 01:15:08,239 members of the public to the governing 1649 01:15:08,239 --> 01:15:10,480 body and for the governing body to 1650 01:15:10,480 --> 01:15:12,000 respond to such comments. That's the 1651 01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:14,800 requirement. There's a lot of 1652 01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:16,560 flexibility in how you go about meeting 1653 01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:19,679 the requirement. 1654 01:15:19,679 --> 01:15:21,679 So everything after that paragraph that 1655 01:15:21,679 --> 01:15:24,239 you read on page two of our notes, 1656 01:15:24,239 --> 01:15:27,120 everything after that is like Cadillac 1657 01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:28,640 stuff. 1658 01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:31,920 You you those are those are the guidance 1659 01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:33,120 basically that originally came from 1660 01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:34,960 Northwest Regional Planning for for 1661 01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:38,480 Brunett as to how to meet those 1662 01:15:38,480 --> 01:15:40,960 requirements. So it flushes out a whole 1663 01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:44,400 lot more than the the really you could 1664 01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:46,480 do do this on a really bare bones basis 1665 01:15:46,480 --> 01:15:50,239 if you had to. So what I'm trying to um 1666 01:15:50,239 --> 01:15:53,199 ascertain then is the idea that there's 1667 01:15:53,199 --> 01:15:55,360 quote seven meetings or a certain number 1668 01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:58,719 of meetings that is all like Bernett 1669 01:15:58,719 --> 01:16:01,440 County and and us what we think and 1670 01:16:01,440 --> 01:16:03,120 regional planning and their experience 1671 01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:05,360 but there's nothing that says you have 1672 01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:07,199 to have this many meetings in these 1673 01:16:07,199 --> 01:16:09,840 stages. All of that is like supportive 1674 01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:13,280 documentation for being effective but 1675 01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:17,120 it's not like required. So, uh, once we 1676 01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:18,880 have the expertise of Northwest Regional 1677 01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:20,159 Planning on board, which we don't 1678 01:16:20,159 --> 01:16:23,199 actually have yet, uh, but I would say 1679 01:16:23,199 --> 01:16:25,040 it is 1680 01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:29,280 my interpretation that you can meet this 1681 01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:32,800 requirement in a lot of different ways 1682 01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:35,840 and this is the guidance basically that 1683 01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:38,239 Northwest Regional Planning has in their 1684 01:16:38,239 --> 01:16:40,800 playbook for how a county can go about 1685 01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:42,800 meeting the requirement. The other 1686 01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:44,400 requirement are the legal notice 1687 01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:46,560 requirements which stand for all of our 1688 01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:48,400 public type of meetings and hearings of 1689 01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:50,480 their different categories. And it does 1690 01:16:50,480 --> 01:16:52,320 stipulate that for that final 1691 01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:54,560 comprehensive review that we meet that 1692 01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:56,560 30-day requirement. Yeah, but I think 1693 01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:58,960 it's just for that final one. Other 1694 01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:02,709 discussion. 1695 01:17:02,719 --> 01:17:05,120 Yeah, I I I agree. I'm just saying it 1696 01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:07,840 seems like in the that public 1697 01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:09,760 participation plan by planning stage and 1698 01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:12,800 adoption. It seems like we're 1699 01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:14,400 separating things that are going to get 1700 01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:16,080 grouped and I don't I just don't like 1701 01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:18,239 that. Simplicity straight to the point 1702 01:17:18,239 --> 01:17:19,840 is what it should be. We don't need 1703 01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:21,840 seven stages if we're not going to go 1704 01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:24,719 through each stage sequentially in my my 1705 01:17:24,719 --> 01:17:27,520 mind. That's that's what I like. Seven 1706 01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:29,520 stages is great if you're going to go 1707 01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:31,920 through them sequentially, but if we're 1708 01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:33,679 just going to go through them all kind 1709 01:17:33,679 --> 01:17:35,760 of at once, 1710 01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:38,000 then why have seven stages? Why not just 1711 01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:39,840 say, "Here's what we're going to do." Be 1712 01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:42,560 direct that. I I hate this. Oh, we're 1713 01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:44,400 going to do it all flowery, but we're 1714 01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:46,480 not. We're going to do it. And so, I 1715 01:17:46,480 --> 01:17:48,880 don't think we need the seven stages if 1716 01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:50,880 we're not going to go through the seven 1717 01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:52,400 stages. 1718 01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:55,840 So, each section, Brad, or each stage? 1719 01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:58,400 Nope. Nope. Nope. May uh Mayor Joe, I 1720 01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:00,159 don't think you have the actual 1721 01:18:00,159 --> 01:18:02,000 document. It it's what's on the screen 1722 01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:04,640 there. If you scroll down, there are 1723 01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:07,760 stages of the public participation. It 1724 01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:09,760 has nothing to do with the the different 1725 01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:11,760 sections. It's how we're going to get 1726 01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:14,320 the information to write the plan and 1727 01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:16,400 part of it is, you know, writing the 1728 01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:19,360 plan. So, there's stages there. Yeah. 1729 01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:21,920 like the I agree the data collection 1730 01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:23,600 analysis stage that's what Northwest 1731 01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:25,840 regional planning is doing for us that 1732 01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:28,800 that that can stay there but if we're 1733 01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:30,960 going to do issue identification and 1734 01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:33,040 develop goals and objective in one 1735 01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:36,480 meeting then why have two stages 1736 01:18:36,480 --> 01:18:38,640 because you only do it for one topic 1737 01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:40,960 like agriculture cultural and natural 1738 01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:44,080 resources they it takes about 90 minutes 1739 01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:46,080 to present the background information 1740 01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:48,719 and go through goals and activities and 1741 01:18:48,719 --> 01:18:50,400 that then we don't need two different 1742 01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:53,280 stages to say issue identification and 1743 01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:54,880 develop goals and objectives. That can 1744 01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:57,840 be one stage. 1745 01:18:57,840 --> 01:18:59,760 That's that's what I'm saying is we have 1746 01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:01,920 seven stages 1747 01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:05,040 of strategy development. Is that part of 1748 01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:07,760 these meetings? The meeting is going to 1749 01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:09,600 be strategy development, develop goals 1750 01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:13,199 and uh objectives, issue identification. 1751 01:19:13,199 --> 01:19:16,000 Is that what the meeting is going to do 1752 01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:18,159 is all three stages? Then why do we have 1753 01:19:18,159 --> 01:19:21,679 three separate stages for it? 1754 01:19:21,679 --> 01:19:25,360 Because to me to me if we're going to 1755 01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:28,080 come together and say we're going today 1756 01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:29,840 we're going to do strategy development 1757 01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:31,920 then we need to separate that out. But 1758 01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:33,760 if we're going to do issues and 1759 01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:36,320 opportunities or goals and objectives 1760 01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:39,040 and strategy all in the same meeting 1761 01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:40,800 they don't need to be separate stages. 1762 01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:42,800 It confuses things. And if I see this, 1763 01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:46,320 I'm like, wait, why are we talking about 1764 01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:49,120 uh existing and develop new strategies 1765 01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:50,640 to meet the goals and objectives? We 1766 01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:51,760 haven't even talked about the goals and 1767 01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:54,320 objectives yet. Let us digest that. And 1768 01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:57,040 so I think we want to merge these stages 1769 01:19:57,040 --> 01:20:01,840 into something. Erica, it does seem like 1770 01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:06,640 it would simplify things if we 1771 01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:10,719 uh consolidated the language and made 1772 01:20:10,719 --> 01:20:14,000 the scope of work from NWRPC 1773 01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:16,960 coordinate with the public participation 1774 01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:19,040 plan, right? So that we're using the 1775 01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:21,840 same terms and then we can refer to this 1776 01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:24,159 the months if we don't have dates yet, 1777 01:20:24,159 --> 01:20:26,480 we can refer to the month that this is 1778 01:20:26,480 --> 01:20:29,760 going to happen in the timeline. 1779 01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:31,920 Um because I think that would that would 1780 01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:34,159 pull together what Brad wants and then 1781 01:20:34,159 --> 01:20:37,440 also keep us on track for what Northwest 1782 01:20:37,440 --> 01:20:41,199 Regional Planning is considering. Other 1783 01:20:41,199 --> 01:20:43,840 comments and discussion. 1784 01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:45,600 Pat, 1785 01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:48,320 I never interpreted that as you had to 1786 01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:50,560 have a separate meeting for every stage. 1787 01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:53,199 I interpret that as you could lump them 1788 01:20:53,199 --> 01:20:55,679 together as it seemed to work. 1789 01:20:55,679 --> 01:20:58,000 I I understand that interpretation, but 1790 01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:00,560 it just why not lump it together? If 1791 01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:02,159 we're going to do it one way, why not 1792 01:21:02,159 --> 01:21:04,080 just do it that way instead of saying 1793 01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:05,920 because if I'm a member of the public, 1794 01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:08,640 I'm I say, well, I want to I care about 1795 01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:10,080 making sure I'm part of the public 1796 01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:11,920 participation for goals and objectives, 1797 01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:13,199 but I don't care about how we're going 1798 01:21:13,199 --> 01:21:15,120 to get to them. Well, I think it's go 1799 01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:16,800 back to the statute that George read 1800 01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:18,400 from the state. There's this paragraph 1801 01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:20,880 that gives you a broad outline and then 1802 01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:22,640 the state doesn't say here's the gory 1803 01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:24,320 details. They leave that to you because 1804 01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:25,520 everybody's going to have their own 1805 01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:27,760 version. And I think the same thing is 1806 01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:29,600 here. They just articulated the things 1807 01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:32,480 they wanted you to get through or but 1808 01:21:32,480 --> 01:21:35,040 then leave it to us to decide how much 1809 01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:36,640 to lump. You know, we might think we 1810 01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:37,920 could lump three things together. 1811 01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:39,040 Somebody else might think they could 1812 01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:41,520 lump two. Depends on how things go. And 1813 01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:43,520 then and we just do it. I that's what I 1814 01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:46,640 just say is do it from the get-go. If 1815 01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:49,280 we're planning on only having seven 1816 01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:51,440 meetings, that's going to cover those 1817 01:21:51,440 --> 01:21:54,400 three of those stages each time each 1818 01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:57,120 time, then let's only have one stage for 1819 01:21:57,120 --> 01:21:59,199 those three stages. And I think it's too 1820 01:21:59,199 --> 01:22:02,080 early for us to decide if we want or 1821 01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:03,520 not. Let me bring this back to chair. I 1822 01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:05,520 want to ask Gary, if you're online, if 1823 01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:11,350 you have an observation, 1824 01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:15,520 I had to unmute my speaker. Um, my only 1825 01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:18,000 concern, I'll sound like a broken 1826 01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:20,239 record, is at the very beginning of this 1827 01:22:20,239 --> 01:22:24,960 letter, it says reviewed by everybody. 1828 01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:27,040 Has this been thoroughly reviewed by all 1829 01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:30,000 of us and um, Northwest Regional 1830 01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:31,920 Planning? Because the very first 1831 01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:34,000 sentence in this, go to back to page 1832 01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:40,390 one, says reviewed by everyone. 1833 01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:42,560 It says right there, prepared and 1834 01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:44,239 reviewed by Ashen County and Northwest 1835 01:22:44,239 --> 01:22:47,120 Regional Planning. 1836 01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:56,629 I think we're reviewing it now. 1837 01:22:56,639 --> 01:22:59,679 The the very top about who who put it 1838 01:22:59,679 --> 01:23:01,440 in. 1839 01:23:01,440 --> 01:23:04,639 Um well 1840 01:23:04,639 --> 01:23:06,560 this document 1841 01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:09,199 tape was provided by Northwest Regional 1842 01:23:09,199 --> 01:23:12,000 Planning and they basically 1843 01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:15,199 this document was basically written by 1844 01:23:15,199 --> 01:23:17,520 Northwest Regional Planning in its 1845 01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:20,719 unmarkedup form by Northwest Re for 1846 01:23:20,719 --> 01:23:23,520 Bernett County. So I think when we're 1847 01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:25,760 talking about this this outline which is 1848 01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:29,520 basically just kind of a a timeline 1849 01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:31,600 it's broken into like these stages but 1850 01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:33,679 it's basically just a time a sequencing 1851 01:23:33,679 --> 01:23:36,719 of what happens in a certain order but 1852 01:23:36,719 --> 01:23:38,719 you know I understand this is basically 1853 01:23:38,719 --> 01:23:41,120 being the prescription given by 1854 01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:43,440 Northwest Regional Planning. Now they 1855 01:23:43,440 --> 01:23:45,199 were invited to participate today but I 1856 01:23:45,199 --> 01:23:49,520 guess they were unable to do so. Um 1857 01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:53,440 so my view is 1858 01:23:53,440 --> 01:23:56,960 my preference would be to go ahead uh uh 1859 01:23:56,960 --> 01:23:59,120 to approve this as presented subject to 1860 01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:02,880 recision at our next meeting. Um 1861 01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:05,040 hopefully we'll have Northwest Regional 1862 01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:08,320 Planning in online between now and the 1863 01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:11,040 next meeting and uh we can bring it back 1864 01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:14,080 for further discussion. But we'll have 1865 01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:15,920 because if if we want to rewrite this, 1866 01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:18,800 someone actually has to rewrite it. 1867 01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:20,480 And 1868 01:24:20,480 --> 01:24:23,440 if if seven of us rewrote it, we all end 1869 01:24:23,440 --> 01:24:26,960 up with different rewrites, right? So 1870 01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:28,560 I'm more comfortable just sticking with 1871 01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:29,920 the way that it was originally 1872 01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:32,400 presented, I think, by Northwest 1873 01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:35,280 Regional Planning for Bernett and we 1874 01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:38,480 should just maybe consider a guideline. 1875 01:24:38,480 --> 01:24:41,679 Any other discussion? Lisa, one thing as 1876 01:24:41,679 --> 01:24:43,920 we've been all talking about this is I 1877 01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:46,159 really and I know they were invited for 1878 01:24:46,159 --> 01:24:47,679 today, but I really feel like we need 1879 01:24:47,679 --> 01:24:50,000 regional planning. I'm not sure when 1880 01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:53,360 they come on as the paid partner because 1881 01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:55,679 I think they could answer a lot of these 1882 01:24:55,679 --> 01:24:57,600 right off the bat. You know, like we 1883 01:24:57,600 --> 01:24:59,360 were waiting to before we got them 1884 01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:01,600 because they're waiting for the grant um 1885 01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:03,199 announcement, but we know we got the 1886 01:25:03,199 --> 01:25:05,760 50,000 and then we know the county is 1887 01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:07,920 going to put in 25 right in the finance 1888 01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:10,400 committee. So, they got 75,000. I I 1889 01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:12,320 would love to know when they are coming 1890 01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:15,199 in to just sort of say, "Here, you guys 1891 01:25:15,199 --> 01:25:17,920 are the keepers. You're the experts." 1892 01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:19,280 Not that we're going to turn the whole 1893 01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:21,120 key over to them, but Okay. Point of 1894 01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:23,679 order. We're on discussion for the 1895 01:25:23,679 --> 01:25:25,920 approval of this participation plan 1896 01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:27,679 right now. The next agenda item will 1897 01:25:27,679 --> 01:25:29,199 address the question of Northwest 1898 01:25:29,199 --> 01:25:31,120 Regional Planning. It just makes it 1899 01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:33,360 harder to decide how to deal with this 1900 01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:35,600 issue without knowing when we get access 1901 01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:39,199 to their input. Pat. So, if I remember 1902 01:25:39,199 --> 01:25:41,199 right, we were supposed to approve this 1903 01:25:41,199 --> 01:25:44,480 in the month of June. So, we're in June. 1904 01:25:44,480 --> 01:25:46,239 And I take it that if it's approved and 1905 01:25:46,239 --> 01:25:47,520 you vote in the affirmative, you'll 1906 01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:48,560 choose to bring it back for 1907 01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:50,560 reconsideration at the next meeting, 1908 01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:53,760 which gives us time. Um, which is you 1909 01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:55,679 and perhaps some others to talk to 1910 01:25:55,679 --> 01:25:57,679 Northwest Regional Planning to clarify 1911 01:25:57,679 --> 01:26:00,239 some of the things in yellow or other 1912 01:26:00,239 --> 01:26:03,280 adjustments we might make or just to 1913 01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:04,719 better understand the things that we 1914 01:26:04,719 --> 01:26:06,719 have latitude to modify later without 1915 01:26:06,719 --> 01:26:09,840 any ill effects and as we go through the 1916 01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:13,440 planning process. So, it seems like we 1917 01:26:13,440 --> 01:26:16,000 need to approve this and if it's brought 1918 01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:17,840 back for reconsideration, we can tweak 1919 01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:19,920 it. We'll have more information before 1920 01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:21,600 the next meeting as you communicate with 1921 01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:24,320 Northwest and then we'll be done with 1922 01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:26,000 it, you know, or at least a version 1923 01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:28,560 that's meets our requirements, but yet 1924 01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:30,880 we can modify. 1925 01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:33,840 Further discussion, comments on this 1926 01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:37,199 motion to approve this uh public 1927 01:26:37,199 --> 01:26:39,679 participation plan as presented subject 1928 01:26:39,679 --> 01:26:43,679 to reconsideration at our next meeting. 1929 01:26:43,679 --> 01:26:45,440 If there's no further discussion, all 1930 01:26:45,440 --> 01:26:48,960 those in favor, please say I. I. I. I. 1931 01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:52,239 Any opposed? Any abstensions? So, the 1932 01:26:52,239 --> 01:26:54,480 motion is carried and we move on to our 1933 01:26:54,480 --> 01:26:57,520 next agenda item. Thank goodness. 1934 01:26:57,520 --> 01:27:00,480 Okay, I can answer Lisa's question from 1935 01:27:00,480 --> 01:27:02,560 previous if you'd like me to. I can 1936 01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:05,120 answer Lisa's question. Okay. So, um 1937 01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:14,149 that was hanging. 1938 01:27:14,159 --> 01:27:16,960 We are now a discussion at discussion 1939 01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:19,360 action item E5E, 1940 01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:21,360 review of Northwest Regional Planning 1941 01:27:21,360 --> 01:27:24,480 Scope of Work. Uh Erica, 1942 01:27:24,480 --> 01:27:29,280 uh so we do not have a signed contract 1943 01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:31,920 with so just as the update on the grant, 1944 01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:35,520 they cannot actually bill ours until we 1945 01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:38,880 have right the signed contract. This 1946 01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:42,480 whole CDBG Decker thing takes a lot 1947 01:27:42,480 --> 01:27:44,880 longer than even I imagined. So, there 1948 01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:47,679 was the pre-aggreement which they 1949 01:27:47,679 --> 01:27:51,040 required like 15 more documents from us. 1950 01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:54,560 That was sent to them two weeks ago. 1951 01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:58,080 They sent me back, but I've I've been 1952 01:27:58,080 --> 01:27:59,760 gone for the past week. They did send me 1953 01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:05,199 back right as I was leaving the 1954 01:28:05,199 --> 01:28:09,600 draft of a final agreement. I spent 1955 01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:12,320 today reviewing the final agreement. We 1956 01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:14,239 have a couple of minor details going 1957 01:28:14,239 --> 01:28:16,239 back and forth. We should be able to 1958 01:28:16,239 --> 01:28:17,840 finalize that by tomorrow, get that back 1959 01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:19,840 to them, but then it has to go to at 1960 01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:21,600 least three other departments within 1961 01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:24,159 Decker and their financial department to 1962 01:28:24,159 --> 01:28:26,159 get fully approved. 1963 01:28:26,159 --> 01:28:30,080 Then I believe we might have a semifinal 1964 01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:32,880 contract that then we sign and then we 1965 01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:34,719 send back and then maybe we get a 1966 01:28:34,719 --> 01:28:38,400 contract. So that's all to say 1967 01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:44,560 I believe that they are not uh 1968 01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:47,120 logging hours but they know that this is 1969 01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:51,040 coming. Um and Northwest Regional 1970 01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:53,920 Planning had planned for month four. So 1971 01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:55,440 we're in month two of what their 1972 01:28:55,440 --> 01:28:58,960 original schedule is. So month four or 1973 01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:02,960 August would be their steering committee 1974 01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:06,080 meeting one. And so that would be where 1975 01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:08,719 they present plan, update, overview, 1976 01:29:08,719 --> 01:29:11,760 issues and opportunities roundtable and 1977 01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:14,000 then the update narrative of 1978 01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:16,400 demographics, housing and transportation 1979 01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:19,199 pieces of that. So that would be August 1980 01:29:19,199 --> 01:29:25,510 I believe 1981 01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:28,639 to approve that final contract that 1982 01:29:28,639 --> 01:29:30,560 comes out. 1983 01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:35,440 I don't believe so. Yeah. I'm I think 1984 01:29:35,440 --> 01:29:37,760 the board at our meeting would have been 1985 01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:39,120 I think the end of March that we 1986 01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:41,679 approved already approved I think we're 1987 01:29:41,679 --> 01:29:44,800 preapproved the acceptance of of the 1988 01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:48,480 award as well 1989 01:29:48,480 --> 01:29:50,080 that 1990 01:29:50,080 --> 01:29:55,189 yeah 1991 01:29:55,199 --> 01:29:59,440 other discussion on the scope of work 1992 01:29:59,440 --> 01:30:01,840 uh oh that's the next item okay is it 1993 01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:05,760 yeah E is yeah review northwest regional 1994 01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:08,400 planning scope of work 1995 01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:10,400 and then it goes together with F which 1996 01:30:10,400 --> 01:30:12,159 is working relationship and scheduling 1997 01:30:12,159 --> 01:30:13,600 with Northwest regional planning because 1998 01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:15,520 I had been hoping that perhaps a 1999 01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:16,960 representative would be on the call 2000 01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:19,840 today but they are not. I uh had a 2001 01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:22,400 comment on scope of work. I think it's a 2002 01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:24,080 might be a subject worthy of some 2003 01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:25,840 discussion. 2004 01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:29,280 um in the first paragraph. Hey, do we 2005 01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:31,120 have that online because I don't 2006 01:30:31,120 --> 01:30:32,560 remember seeing in the packet and I 2007 01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:34,239 thought it was in an email but then I 2008 01:30:34,239 --> 01:30:38,480 can't find that email. So I don't 2009 01:30:38,480 --> 01:30:40,639 Okay, we just have the cover sheet. Do 2010 01:30:40,639 --> 01:30:44,560 we have anything on that element? It's 5 2011 01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:47,440 E and 5F. Yeah, it's it's not it's not 2012 01:30:47,440 --> 01:30:50,639 in the packet. 2013 01:30:50,639 --> 01:30:53,600 Yeah, if you just put it up on. So, I'll 2014 01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:56,480 just read you the the first paragraph in 2015 01:30:56,480 --> 01:30:58,320 their scope of work here, which is 2016 01:30:58,320 --> 01:31:00,159 pretty reasonable document. I only have 2017 01:31:00,159 --> 01:31:01,520 one thing that I think is worth 2018 01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:04,480 discussion. So, it says Ashlin County 2019 01:31:04,480 --> 01:31:06,480 adopted it current comprehensive plan 2020 01:31:06,480 --> 01:31:08,560 volume one background document volume 2021 01:31:08,560 --> 01:31:12,239 two vision and goals in 2016 2022 01:31:12,239 --> 01:31:17,440 as required by Wisconsin statute 66.1. 2023 01:31:17,440 --> 01:31:19,520 The plan must be updated every 10 years. 2024 01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:22,800 This update will revise data, maps, 2025 01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:25,199 forecasts, narrative, vision, and 2026 01:31:25,199 --> 01:31:27,520 implementation strategies to reflect 2027 01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:30,320 current conditions and long-term goals. 2028 01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:33,199 Now, this is where I wanted to focus 2029 01:31:33,199 --> 01:31:36,159 that guide growth and development over 2030 01:31:36,159 --> 01:31:38,400 the next 20 years. 2031 01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:42,800 And I believe that word growth merits 2032 01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:45,760 discussion along the way. 2033 01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:47,360 Uh 2034 01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:49,440 so there's a lot of interest in this 2035 01:31:49,440 --> 01:31:51,920 area. Uh there's visible interest in 2036 01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:54,560 what we call sustainability 2037 01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:58,159 and sustainability is a little bit more 2038 01:31:58,159 --> 01:32:02,400 um nuanced than the word growth 2039 01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:04,880 and economic growth has been kind of a 2040 01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:06,719 business mantra for the past half 2041 01:32:06,719 --> 01:32:09,840 century the United States 2042 01:32:09,840 --> 01:32:11,679 but I think there are views that it's 2043 01:32:11,679 --> 01:32:14,800 not always constructive growth. 2044 01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:16,719 uh that was reflected in the reaction to 2045 01:32:16,719 --> 01:32:18,800 the idea of changing Apossible National 2046 01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:21,199 Lake Shores to a national park. I think 2047 01:32:21,199 --> 01:32:22,400 that was just sort of a piece of 2048 01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:24,880 evidence that people 2049 01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:26,719 don't want to necessarily have a form of 2050 01:32:26,719 --> 01:32:30,159 growth that's going to be 2051 01:32:30,159 --> 01:32:32,320 perceived negatively or experienced 2052 01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:35,120 negatively. So I just wanted to say that 2053 01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:37,600 maybe what we ought to be thinking about 2054 01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:39,440 is constructive development and 2055 01:32:39,440 --> 01:32:40,960 sustainability 2056 01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:43,520 and not just 2057 01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:45,360 growth per se. And I don't know if 2058 01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:46,880 anybody else has a comment on that. I 2059 01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:48,239 just wanted to bring that up and I think 2060 01:32:48,239 --> 01:32:50,320 it'll be a discussion item along the 2061 01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:55,600 way. Other thoughts on this agenda item? 2062 01:32:55,600 --> 01:32:57,679 Uh Pat, 2063 01:32:57,679 --> 01:32:59,360 I think you make some good points there 2064 01:32:59,360 --> 01:33:02,960 that I agree with and I won't be labor. 2065 01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:06,239 Um the words development, you know, 2066 01:33:06,239 --> 01:33:08,080 carries a connotation and certainly 2067 01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:10,159 growth has implications are often 2068 01:33:10,159 --> 01:33:12,560 measured in terms of an economic sense. 2069 01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:14,719 Um 2070 01:33:14,719 --> 01:33:18,000 you know, planning for future changes. 2071 01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:20,080 You know, a word that's neutral in terms 2072 01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:22,639 of economic value, you know, that growth 2073 01:33:22,639 --> 01:33:25,600 has. But even the word development um at 2074 01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:28,000 our last farmland preservation meeting, 2075 01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:31,120 we had talked about parcel sizes in the 2076 01:33:31,120 --> 01:33:32,560 county and that was on our zoning 2077 01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:35,040 committee meeting um a week or two ago 2078 01:33:35,040 --> 01:33:36,480 and I've asked staff to send me the 2079 01:33:36,480 --> 01:33:38,159 electronic copy so I can send that to 2080 01:33:38,159 --> 01:33:40,480 the farmland preservation group. But 2081 01:33:40,480 --> 01:33:42,159 just this word development, you know, in 2082 01:33:42,159 --> 01:33:44,480 my mind what I see is, you know, a 40 2083 01:33:44,480 --> 01:33:46,000 and something carving out in the woods 2084 01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:48,159 and sticking something there. they call 2085 01:33:48,159 --> 01:33:51,360 that development but you know it carries 2086 01:33:51,360 --> 01:33:54,239 a negative connotation um you know when 2087 01:33:54,239 --> 01:33:58,880 you see it done in certain ways. So 2088 01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:00,639 you know I would just you know change is 2089 01:34:00,639 --> 01:34:03,920 future changes and then stay away from 2090 01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:06,080 those words that 2091 01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:09,360 go back to the economic model of we're 2092 01:34:09,360 --> 01:34:12,400 going to use our natural resources and 2093 01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:14,719 try to make money. 2094 01:34:14,719 --> 01:34:16,800 I don't know. We If Gary is still 2095 01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:20,229 online, 2096 01:34:20,239 --> 01:34:21,360 I don't know if you're still there, 2097 01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:24,560 Gary. Yep, I'm here. So, since you have 2098 01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:28,719 the the economic development element, do 2099 01:34:28,719 --> 01:34:36,149 you have thoughts on this question? 2100 01:34:36,159 --> 01:34:39,910 Well, 2101 01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:43,760 what one of the problems with is going 2102 01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:46,560 to be economic development is just 2103 01:34:46,560 --> 01:34:48,880 where's the business and then the 2104 01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:50,960 businesses are going to ask us where's 2105 01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:53,040 the people? 2106 01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:57,280 And so it it's going to be a tough 2107 01:34:57,280 --> 01:34:59,440 issue because 2108 01:34:59,440 --> 01:35:02,400 um businesses need people and we don't 2109 01:35:02,400 --> 01:35:04,480 seem to have them right now. I mean in 2110 01:35:04,480 --> 01:35:06,159 the southern half of the county we've 2111 01:35:06,159 --> 01:35:08,320 lost 2112 01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:10,239 hundreds and hundreds of employees over 2113 01:35:10,239 --> 01:35:12,480 the last 10 years. The mill in Park 2114 01:35:12,480 --> 01:35:14,560 Falls closed. They had 700 people 2115 01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:16,880 working there. The plant in Butternut 2116 01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:18,960 closed. The little plant in Glidden 2117 01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:22,080 closed. all of those jobs are gone and 2118 01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:24,159 there's nothing coming in except 2119 01:35:24,159 --> 01:35:28,320 tourism, but that isn't helping us uh at 2120 01:35:28,320 --> 01:35:32,159 the moment. So the 2121 01:35:32,159 --> 01:35:34,400 and and of course in Ash now we've got 2122 01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:36,239 North and College as everybody's aware 2123 01:35:36,239 --> 01:35:41,199 of. Um those jobs are gone. Um 2124 01:35:41,199 --> 01:35:43,840 I guess as a county we have to figure 2125 01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:47,679 out what comes first. 2126 01:35:47,679 --> 01:35:50,880 Um if we attract businesses 2127 01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:53,360 where are the people coming from and 2128 01:35:53,360 --> 01:35:56,080 again where do they live 2129 01:35:56,080 --> 01:35:58,159 and then you know how do we market 2130 01:35:58,159 --> 01:36:01,199 ourselves to a business of any sort and 2131 01:36:01,199 --> 01:36:03,600 say you know come to this area it's a 2132 01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:05,920 beautiful area to live what I'm seeing 2133 01:36:05,920 --> 01:36:08,800 where I live is a bunch of retirees like 2134 01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:10,320 myself 2135 01:36:10,320 --> 01:36:13,440 and that has a big effect on the schools 2136 01:36:13,440 --> 01:36:16,800 there's no kids in our families anymore 2137 01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:18,320 Um, 2138 01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:21,280 I I think we have to try and figure out 2139 01:36:21,280 --> 01:36:24,239 with some help where is the economic 2140 01:36:24,239 --> 01:36:27,520 development in the area. I mean, we talk 2141 01:36:27,520 --> 01:36:31,199 about little businesses, but um, we've 2142 01:36:31,199 --> 01:36:33,679 we've changed so much. We used to have 2143 01:36:33,679 --> 01:36:35,920 dairy farms. Dairy farms meant big 2144 01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:38,320 families in most cases. We don't have 2145 01:36:38,320 --> 01:36:41,440 dairy farms anymore as a majority in the 2146 01:36:41,440 --> 01:36:47,280 county. We have beef farmers. But um so 2147 01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:50,880 the big question for us economically is 2148 01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:55,520 what is Ashlin County's future? Um and 2149 01:36:55,520 --> 01:36:58,560 how do we get there? Um you know, I 2150 01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:00,320 struggle. I live in town of Agenda and 2151 01:37:00,320 --> 01:37:02,480 I'll brag about it. We're we have the 2152 01:37:02,480 --> 01:37:04,239 highest medium income and I've said this 2153 01:37:04,239 --> 01:37:06,719 before of any other town in in this 2154 01:37:06,719 --> 01:37:09,280 county. The reason we have that is 2155 01:37:09,280 --> 01:37:11,760 because we're all retired 2156 01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:16,480 state teaching or federal employees. 2157 01:37:16,480 --> 01:37:18,400 That isn't helping the county other than 2158 01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:21,520 we might buy something once in a while. 2159 01:37:21,520 --> 01:37:26,239 But um that's why the the plan has to 2160 01:37:26,239 --> 01:37:28,639 somehow address 2161 01:37:28,639 --> 01:37:30,960 how do we tout ourselves as a county for 2162 01:37:30,960 --> 01:37:33,520 economic development but then in the 2163 01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:35,679 back of our head say we need housing and 2164 01:37:35,679 --> 01:37:38,480 we need people and I don't know which 2165 01:37:38,480 --> 01:37:40,800 comes first because 2166 01:37:40,800 --> 01:37:43,760 um if somebody big wants to come into 2167 01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:46,239 the area and wants employees where are 2168 01:37:46,239 --> 01:37:49,990 they coming from? 2169 01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:51,840 I know that doesn't really answer the 2170 01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:54,239 whole question, but it it's been my 2171 01:37:54,239 --> 01:37:58,560 concern for a long time is, you know, u 2172 01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:03,360 I can show you 20 houses in this area 2173 01:38:03,360 --> 01:38:06,560 that are sitting empty because they were 2174 01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:09,360 bought by people from out of town who 2175 01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:11,600 use them as recreational property. 2176 01:38:11,600 --> 01:38:13,520 That's not helping a county in the long 2177 01:38:13,520 --> 01:38:20,629 run for people. 2178 01:38:20,639 --> 01:38:23,440 Thank you, Alyssa. And I think you're 2179 01:38:23,440 --> 01:38:26,080 you're really I think you all are 2180 01:38:26,080 --> 01:38:27,920 getting to the heart of what is this 2181 01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:30,800 visionary planning for the future and 2182 01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:33,199 maybe these answers will tease out a 2183 01:38:33,199 --> 01:38:34,719 little bit in conversations on that 2184 01:38:34,719 --> 01:38:36,880 trends and issues. You know, I worked 2185 01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:40,000 with five of the chapters with the work 2186 01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:42,080 groups like egg and natural resources 2187 01:38:42,080 --> 01:38:45,360 that um Pat was on transportation in 2188 01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:47,520 there. We just we said what are the 2189 01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:49,920 trends what's happening right now and 2190 01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:51,920 then we said what are the issues of 2191 01:38:51,920 --> 01:38:54,800 what's happening right now and in the 2192 01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:57,440 future and then that led to us coming up 2193 01:38:57,440 --> 01:39:00,159 with actions and objectives right so you 2194 01:39:00,159 --> 01:39:03,280 use the conversation and the data and 2195 01:39:03,280 --> 01:39:05,840 people's desires when you're looking at 2196 01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:09,119 issues and trends to move your plan 2197 01:39:09,119 --> 01:39:12,239 forward but you you got to have a a 2198 01:39:12,239 --> 01:39:14,400 whole part of that conversation has to 2199 01:39:14,400 --> 01:39:16,400 be that trends and issues and then what 2200 01:39:16,400 --> 01:39:18,639 are your opportunities? That's where all 2201 01:39:18,639 --> 01:39:22,239 this conversation really hits the mark 2202 01:39:22,239 --> 01:39:24,719 and and Northwest Regional Planning, I'm 2203 01:39:24,719 --> 01:39:27,840 sure, will have some data for us 2204 01:39:27,840 --> 01:39:30,960 to help us tap into that. Like we all 2205 01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:32,960 know that I keep hearing different 2206 01:39:32,960 --> 01:39:35,280 numbers, but 40% of our current Ash 2207 01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:37,360 County population is like people over 2208 01:39:37,360 --> 01:39:41,760 65. And the housing folks, Lauren Negro, 2209 01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:43,520 says it's likely to go higher in the 2210 01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:46,560 next 10 years. So that's a trend. What 2211 01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:48,400 are the issues associated with that 2212 01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:50,400 aging population? Then we decide what 2213 01:39:50,400 --> 01:39:53,920 our actions are. Um the word I would use 2214 01:39:53,920 --> 01:39:56,480 like I love your idea of changes whether 2215 01:39:56,480 --> 01:39:59,520 it because growth and development those 2216 01:39:59,520 --> 01:40:02,159 are old world terms you know like we 2217 01:40:02,159 --> 01:40:04,080 can't just keep growing anymore like 2218 01:40:04,080 --> 01:40:06,719 climate change says you can't just keep 2219 01:40:06,719 --> 01:40:09,199 growing. There's a limit but maybe it's 2220 01:40:09,199 --> 01:40:12,080 sustainable change. How do we build in 2221 01:40:12,080 --> 01:40:14,639 actions for sustainable change? whatever 2222 01:40:14,639 --> 01:40:19,440 that is. Um, but the actual idea of 2223 01:40:19,440 --> 01:40:20,880 what's going to happen and how do we 2224 01:40:20,880 --> 01:40:22,960 plan comes out of those discussions on 2225 01:40:22,960 --> 01:40:25,920 issues and and trends. 2226 01:40:25,920 --> 01:40:27,600 Uh, thank you, Mary. Joe, you have your 2227 01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:30,159 hand up. 2228 01:40:30,159 --> 01:40:33,360 Yes, thank you. Um, 2229 01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:36,239 I mean, we we are still having growth. 2230 01:40:36,239 --> 01:40:40,320 So, we talked about this a little bit in 2231 01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:42,000 I'm working on the town of Moringo 2232 01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:45,360 comprehensive plan right now and 2233 01:40:45,360 --> 01:40:48,080 um from 2234 01:40:48,080 --> 01:40:51,600 from the last decade we had 24% growth 2235 01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:54,800 in the town of Moringo versus the county 2236 01:40:54,800 --> 01:40:56,719 was 6%. 2237 01:40:56,719 --> 01:40:59,040 So, there is still growth occurring. 2238 01:40:59,040 --> 01:41:02,080 There's more growth in some areas. 2239 01:41:02,080 --> 01:41:04,800 And in the town of Morango, the average 2240 01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:07,280 age is in the 40s because we have a lot 2241 01:41:07,280 --> 01:41:11,600 of large families with young kids. So, I 2242 01:41:11,600 --> 01:41:13,360 mean, the important thing is we're still 2243 01:41:13,360 --> 01:41:15,119 going to have growth and development 2244 01:41:15,119 --> 01:41:17,920 here. And talking about development 2245 01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:19,600 gives you the opportunity to ask 2246 01:41:19,600 --> 01:41:21,280 yourselves, what are the things that we 2247 01:41:21,280 --> 01:41:24,159 value about this county? What are the 2248 01:41:24,159 --> 01:41:26,159 reasons and the lifestyles and the 2249 01:41:26,159 --> 01:41:29,440 livelihood for why we live here? How do 2250 01:41:29,440 --> 01:41:31,679 we want to guide that for the future to 2251 01:41:31,679 --> 01:41:33,920 preserve those qualities for future 2252 01:41:33,920 --> 01:41:35,520 generations? 2253 01:41:35,520 --> 01:41:37,520 What are the sensitive areas, whether 2254 01:41:37,520 --> 01:41:40,080 they're cultural or environmental or 2255 01:41:40,080 --> 01:41:41,840 natural resources that we want to 2256 01:41:41,840 --> 01:41:44,239 protect for the future? And how do we 2257 01:41:44,239 --> 01:41:47,199 protect those? Do we need to change 2258 01:41:47,199 --> 01:41:50,880 regulations or strengthen or how do we 2259 01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:53,199 want to protect those features? So, 2260 01:41:53,199 --> 01:41:55,920 those are all components of when you're 2261 01:41:55,920 --> 01:41:58,320 talking about development. 2262 01:41:58,320 --> 01:42:00,800 Uh, we are going to have increases in 2263 01:42:00,800 --> 01:42:04,239 population here as the temperatures warm 2264 01:42:04,239 --> 01:42:06,719 and people from the south move north. I 2265 01:42:06,719 --> 01:42:09,199 already know of people from Texas and 2266 01:42:09,199 --> 01:42:12,320 Arkansas buying houses in Ashlin for 2267 01:42:12,320 --> 01:42:15,360 when they can't live in Texas anymore. 2268 01:42:15,360 --> 01:42:17,360 Agriculture is going to be moving north 2269 01:42:17,360 --> 01:42:18,960 because there's going to be parts of our 2270 01:42:18,960 --> 01:42:21,520 country that we no longer have water 2271 01:42:21,520 --> 01:42:25,600 resources or the ability to grow crops. 2272 01:42:25,600 --> 01:42:26,880 And you know, we're not going to be able 2273 01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:29,440 to answer th those issues today or in 2274 01:42:29,440 --> 01:42:31,280 the next year, but when we talk about 2275 01:42:31,280 --> 01:42:33,360 development, it gives us the opportunity 2276 01:42:33,360 --> 01:42:35,119 to recognize the things that are 2277 01:42:35,119 --> 01:42:37,679 sensitive or the things that we want to 2278 01:42:37,679 --> 01:42:39,840 protect and to develop framework for how 2279 01:42:39,840 --> 01:42:41,679 we're going to do that for the next 10 2280 01:42:41,679 --> 01:42:43,760 to 20 years. 2281 01:42:43,760 --> 01:42:46,960 That's it. 2282 01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:49,760 Uh Pat, I like Alyssa's phrase, 2283 01:42:49,760 --> 01:42:51,920 sustainable change. you know, the 2284 01:42:51,920 --> 01:42:54,480 population up here was far greater a 2285 01:42:54,480 --> 01:42:56,239 century ago, you know, with the industry 2286 01:42:56,239 --> 01:42:58,480 that we had at that time. And this whole 2287 01:42:58,480 --> 01:43:00,400 thing with, you know, with growth and 2288 01:43:00,400 --> 01:43:02,159 development, there's kind of two big 2289 01:43:02,159 --> 01:43:03,679 points in our history where that at 2290 01:43:03,679 --> 01:43:05,280 least in recent history was after World 2291 01:43:05,280 --> 01:43:06,800 War II when we needed a stronger 2292 01:43:06,800 --> 01:43:09,199 industrial economy, Sputnik going up, 2293 01:43:09,199 --> 01:43:10,880 needed more scientists and that sort of 2294 01:43:10,880 --> 01:43:14,239 stuff. And then if you remember 2295 01:43:14,239 --> 01:43:17,119 inflation from the late 70s, early 80s 2296 01:43:17,119 --> 01:43:20,880 um in the presidential race of 80 um the 2297 01:43:20,880 --> 01:43:22,400 big question was how do you deal with 2298 01:43:22,400 --> 01:43:24,239 inflation? And the person that got 2299 01:43:24,239 --> 01:43:26,320 elected said the way to deal with 2300 01:43:26,320 --> 01:43:28,560 inflation is to increase the supply of 2301 01:43:28,560 --> 01:43:31,040 goods so people won't be chasing the 2302 01:43:31,040 --> 01:43:32,480 goods that are available because they'll 2303 01:43:32,480 --> 01:43:33,840 understand there won't be a scarcity 2304 01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:35,119 because there'll be more of it. So they 2305 01:43:35,119 --> 01:43:37,840 changed the tax laws in '86 to favor the 2306 01:43:37,840 --> 01:43:39,280 business community to produce more 2307 01:43:39,280 --> 01:43:41,280 goods. We have been living through 2308 01:43:41,280 --> 01:43:46,159 what's now 40 years of growth is the the 2309 01:43:46,159 --> 01:43:48,880 holy grail in development. And it's in 2310 01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:50,960 it's it kind of bugs me that it's so 2311 01:43:50,960 --> 01:43:53,600 inculturated. It was a choice that was 2312 01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:55,920 made by this country through tax policy 2313 01:43:55,920 --> 01:43:58,560 40 years ago that puts growth and 2314 01:43:58,560 --> 01:44:00,960 development above all else and then the 2315 01:44:00,960 --> 01:44:04,000 exploitation of natural resources. And 2316 01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:06,480 so sustainable change, it doesn't mean 2317 01:44:06,480 --> 01:44:08,800 that we don't have additional housing, 2318 01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:10,239 but hopefully it means we're more 2319 01:44:10,239 --> 01:44:12,320 thoughtful like infill and Ashland 2320 01:44:12,320 --> 01:44:14,480 instead of carving up another 40, you 2321 01:44:14,480 --> 01:44:16,800 know, that's, you know, still pristine 2322 01:44:16,800 --> 01:44:19,199 or something. So, and it makes us think 2323 01:44:19,199 --> 01:44:22,639 harder about these things. And it also, 2324 01:44:22,639 --> 01:44:24,159 you know, this ever, you know, I don't 2325 01:44:24,159 --> 01:44:25,360 know if we're going to be bigger or not 2326 01:44:25,360 --> 01:44:27,280 in the future. The state projects us at, 2327 01:44:27,280 --> 01:44:30,080 I think, um, 13,325 2328 01:44:30,080 --> 01:44:32,719 people in 25 years. And I did look up 2329 01:44:32,719 --> 01:44:34,480 their methodology for how they project 2330 01:44:34,480 --> 01:44:36,960 growth and it is on census data 2331 01:44:36,960 --> 01:44:38,960 including women of childbearing age and 2332 01:44:38,960 --> 01:44:41,199 and that sort of stuff and this is 2333 01:44:41,199 --> 01:44:43,119 before North and close. So they're 2334 01:44:43,119 --> 01:44:46,320 projecting us to have fewer people. 2335 01:44:46,320 --> 01:44:48,800 But this idea that if our population as 2336 01:44:48,800 --> 01:44:51,040 a whole in this county declines and I 2337 01:44:51,040 --> 01:44:52,320 don't know what's going to happen, so 2338 01:44:52,320 --> 01:44:54,480 I'll say if but it shouldn't be viewed 2339 01:44:54,480 --> 01:44:57,199 necessarily with a negative connotation. 2340 01:44:57,199 --> 01:44:59,440 It could be that our quality of life 2341 01:44:59,440 --> 01:45:01,840 improves because we do better at 2342 01:45:01,840 --> 01:45:04,239 protecting what's important to us while 2343 01:45:04,239 --> 01:45:07,119 still having a vibrant enough economy. 2344 01:45:07,119 --> 01:45:10,560 So that part is worthwhile. In 2014, the 2345 01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:12,400 municipality magazine, I think it was 2346 01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:15,760 2014, had a front page article on the 2347 01:45:15,760 --> 01:45:17,360 communities that were growing and 2348 01:45:17,360 --> 01:45:20,400 thriving. And it wasn't because they 2349 01:45:20,400 --> 01:45:22,639 figured out economic development. It was 2350 01:45:22,639 --> 01:45:24,480 because they made the community a place 2351 01:45:24,480 --> 01:45:27,280 that people wanted to live. social 2352 01:45:27,280 --> 01:45:29,520 things to do, good restaurants, quality 2353 01:45:29,520 --> 01:45:32,320 of life, feeling safe. People came and 2354 01:45:32,320 --> 01:45:33,840 they figured out what they were going to 2355 01:45:33,840 --> 01:45:35,760 do for a living, started their business, 2356 01:45:35,760 --> 01:45:38,480 work remotely. People figured that out, 2357 01:45:38,480 --> 01:45:40,719 but they were there because they wanted 2358 01:45:40,719 --> 01:45:43,679 to live there. And so that quality of 2359 01:45:43,679 --> 01:45:45,360 life is really important. The people 2360 01:45:45,360 --> 01:45:47,280 will come if you have that quality of 2361 01:45:47,280 --> 01:45:50,239 life. And it turns out they will largely 2362 01:45:50,239 --> 01:45:52,400 figure out those details of how they're 2363 01:45:52,400 --> 01:45:55,280 going to make a living once they get 2364 01:45:55,280 --> 01:46:00,629 there. 2365 01:46:00,639 --> 01:46:02,560 Other discussion? 2366 01:46:02,560 --> 01:46:05,520 We are at um 2367 01:46:05,520 --> 01:46:08,800 the Northwest Regional Planning Scope of 2368 01:46:08,800 --> 01:46:11,760 Work. Is there any further discussion on 2369 01:46:11,760 --> 01:46:13,840 item 5E 2370 01:46:13,840 --> 01:46:15,760 uh Northwest Regional Planning Scope of 2371 01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:19,520 Work? If not, we're at item 5F, which is 2372 01:46:19,520 --> 01:46:21,119 working relationship and scheduling with 2373 01:46:21,119 --> 01:46:23,440 Northwest Regional Planning. Seems to be 2374 01:46:23,440 --> 01:46:24,800 we may have discussed it. there's any 2375 01:46:24,800 --> 01:46:26,080 further comment on the working 2376 01:46:26,080 --> 01:46:28,080 relationship northwest regional 2377 01:46:28,080 --> 01:46:32,159 planning. If not, we move on to item G 2378 01:46:32,159 --> 01:46:34,000 which is 2379 01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:36,320 uh town inputs to planning. So there is 2380 01:46:36,320 --> 01:46:38,639 a 2381 01:46:38,639 --> 01:46:41,199 document which I compose 2382 01:46:41,199 --> 01:46:44,080 and so 2383 01:46:44,080 --> 01:46:47,199 I am suggesting and see what what you 2384 01:46:47,199 --> 01:46:51,199 all think but we have asked the um the 2385 01:46:51,199 --> 01:46:55,199 county departments to provide input. 2386 01:46:55,199 --> 01:46:59,520 We have asked the town the county 2387 01:46:59,520 --> 01:47:01,600 supervisors on the committees in which 2388 01:47:01,600 --> 01:47:05,760 they serve to request a discussion of 2389 01:47:05,760 --> 01:47:09,199 planning ideas and issues and for that 2390 01:47:09,199 --> 01:47:12,080 to be recorded in the minutes of the u 2391 01:47:12,080 --> 01:47:14,400 of the committee meetings. 2392 01:47:14,400 --> 01:47:16,960 And I would like to request send a 2393 01:47:16,960 --> 01:47:20,159 request to the town boards in the county 2394 01:47:20,159 --> 01:47:23,360 to do likewise to simply put on their 2395 01:47:23,360 --> 01:47:27,520 agendas an item for discussion of 2396 01:47:27,520 --> 01:47:31,679 comprehensive planning and to record any 2397 01:47:31,679 --> 01:47:34,239 discussion if they actually have any in 2398 01:47:34,239 --> 01:47:35,600 their minutes so that those minutes 2399 01:47:35,600 --> 01:47:37,280 would document their comments and be 2400 01:47:37,280 --> 01:47:40,560 available to us as input. So that's the 2401 01:47:40,560 --> 01:47:43,360 uh the idea here and this is laid out in 2402 01:47:43,360 --> 01:47:45,440 a similar idea of how they would put it 2403 01:47:45,440 --> 01:47:47,600 on their agenda. 2404 01:47:47,600 --> 01:47:49,840 Uh similar to way we're asking our our 2405 01:47:49,840 --> 01:47:51,440 county committees to put it on their 2406 01:47:51,440 --> 01:47:54,000 agendas and I know that you know some of 2407 01:47:54,000 --> 01:47:55,199 the committees are already doing this. 2408 01:47:55,199 --> 01:47:57,600 We have health and human services 2409 01:47:57,600 --> 01:48:00,000 tomorrow and Clarence who chairs that 2410 01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:01,440 committee Clarence Campbell put it you 2411 01:48:01,440 --> 01:48:04,639 know sent out right away uh week and a 2412 01:48:04,639 --> 01:48:06,960 half ago to put that on the agenda for 2413 01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:08,880 the health and human services tomorrow. 2414 01:48:08,880 --> 01:48:10,880 So is there a comment in discussion on 2415 01:48:10,880 --> 01:48:16,629 this uh proposal? 2416 01:48:16,639 --> 01:48:19,360 Uh listen, you had you showed me a 2417 01:48:19,360 --> 01:48:23,040 sample like of language, didn't you? At 2418 01:48:23,040 --> 01:48:25,840 one of the discussions we had where 2419 01:48:25,840 --> 01:48:28,560 you're going to invite like the town 2420 01:48:28,560 --> 01:48:32,719 chairs and the village chair to do this 2421 01:48:32,719 --> 01:48:34,719 process that we're describing of having 2422 01:48:34,719 --> 01:48:41,350 everybody 2423 01:48:41,360 --> 01:48:47,430 requesting. 2424 01:48:47,440 --> 01:48:49,199 Yeah, I love it. I think it's a great 2425 01:48:49,199 --> 01:48:51,360 idea. 2426 01:48:51,360 --> 01:48:55,040 Well, I think I will proceed to try to 2427 01:48:55,040 --> 01:48:56,480 have this happen. I don't think we need 2428 01:48:56,480 --> 01:48:58,000 a vote on it as long as there's a 2429 01:48:58,000 --> 01:49:00,480 consensus here that this is an action we 2430 01:49:00,480 --> 01:49:02,320 can take. If there's no further 2431 01:49:02,320 --> 01:49:04,080 discussion on that item, I'll move on to 2432 01:49:04,080 --> 01:49:06,560 the Oh, Pat, I was just curious. You got 2433 01:49:06,560 --> 01:49:09,760 2025 in there. Um, do we necessarily 2434 01:49:09,760 --> 01:49:11,600 know from a timeline perspective if we 2435 01:49:11,600 --> 01:49:16,229 want to limit it to 2025? 2436 01:49:16,239 --> 01:49:18,480 Uh, well, 2437 01:49:18,480 --> 01:49:20,400 I didn't want to overwhelm them. So, I 2438 01:49:20,400 --> 01:49:22,880 thought you can always ask them to do it 2439 01:49:22,880 --> 01:49:24,880 continue into 2026, but we would like to 2440 01:49:24,880 --> 01:49:26,400 have their input before the end of the 2441 01:49:26,400 --> 01:49:28,239 year so we can incorporate it in our in 2442 01:49:28,239 --> 01:49:31,440 our work. So, that's why I let I'd like 2443 01:49:31,440 --> 01:49:34,320 to have them comment before the end of 2444 01:49:34,320 --> 01:49:36,560 2025. So we have it as input or 2445 01:49:36,560 --> 01:49:38,400 consideration. 2446 01:49:38,400 --> 01:49:40,880 That was a reason for not not making a 2447 01:49:40,880 --> 01:49:47,109 further. 2448 01:49:47,119 --> 01:49:50,000 Well, you know, going back to Brad and 2449 01:49:50,000 --> 01:49:51,760 and all these meetings and all this 2450 01:49:51,760 --> 01:49:53,679 planning and all this scheduling stuff, 2451 01:49:53,679 --> 01:49:56,159 this says 2025. We're starting with 2452 01:49:56,159 --> 01:49:58,239 Northwest Regional Planning in August. 2453 01:49:58,239 --> 01:50:01,360 I'm just not certain or comfortable 2454 01:50:01,360 --> 01:50:03,360 necessarily knowing that the end of 2025 2455 01:50:03,360 --> 01:50:06,960 is it, but we could. 2456 01:50:06,960 --> 01:50:09,280 Okay. I don't know that we know how long 2457 01:50:09,280 --> 01:50:12,000 we're going to gather input yet. Could I 2458 01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:14,480 could I modify this to say 2025 and 2459 01:50:14,480 --> 01:50:18,560 early 26? Sure. Okay. 2460 01:50:18,560 --> 01:50:21,040 Thank you. That great suggestion. other 2461 01:50:21,040 --> 01:50:30,390 comments. 2462 01:50:30,400 --> 01:50:36,159 Okay, moving on to our next item then is 2463 01:50:36,159 --> 01:50:39,440 oh well this is just a point I wanted to 2464 01:50:39,440 --> 01:50:40,880 raise and it's a discussion item and 2465 01:50:40,880 --> 01:50:42,560 we're we're already almost two hours so 2466 01:50:42,560 --> 01:50:45,520 I don't want to take too much longer um 2467 01:50:45,520 --> 01:50:48,880 but if you read this I said consider the 2468 01:50:48,880 --> 01:50:51,440 potential for future realignment of some 2469 01:50:51,440 --> 01:50:53,920 county board committees for greater 2470 01:50:53,920 --> 01:50:56,000 efficienc and effectiveness. And I gave 2471 01:50:56,000 --> 01:50:58,800 an example for example realign land 2472 01:50:58,800 --> 01:51:01,280 conservation and forestry and w 2473 01:51:01,280 --> 01:51:04,159 committees as a single forestry 2474 01:51:04,159 --> 01:51:06,480 land conservation 2475 01:51:06,480 --> 01:51:09,520 and committee and then a separate 2476 01:51:09,520 --> 01:51:14,239 recreation parks and arts committee. So 2477 01:51:14,239 --> 01:51:17,199 the state statute actually requires us 2478 01:51:17,199 --> 01:51:20,080 to have a parks commissioner. Uh, so I 2479 01:51:20,080 --> 01:51:23,280 don't think we really have that and we 2480 01:51:23,280 --> 01:51:24,639 don't really have anything in the way of 2481 01:51:24,639 --> 01:51:27,360 county parks. But my interest in having 2482 01:51:27,360 --> 01:51:29,199 county parks has brought brought me to 2483 01:51:29,199 --> 01:51:31,520 think about 2484 01:51:31,520 --> 01:51:35,920 the idea that the planning committee can 2485 01:51:35,920 --> 01:51:38,560 broaden its thinking to consider whether 2486 01:51:38,560 --> 01:51:40,320 or not 2487 01:51:40,320 --> 01:51:42,880 the county is properly organized as in 2488 01:51:42,880 --> 01:51:44,719 its corporate functions and it committee 2489 01:51:44,719 --> 01:51:46,239 functions. I don't think it's something 2490 01:51:46,239 --> 01:51:48,080 we really 2491 01:51:48,080 --> 01:51:51,199 want to wrestle with right away. I just 2492 01:51:51,199 --> 01:51:53,280 wanted to point out that it's not out of 2493 01:51:53,280 --> 01:51:56,080 the purview of our thinking to consider 2494 01:51:56,080 --> 01:51:58,960 whether the county is actually organized 2495 01:51:58,960 --> 01:52:00,639 in its most efficient way and 2496 01:52:00,639 --> 01:52:01,920 particularly regarding committee 2497 01:52:01,920 --> 01:52:03,440 structures. 2498 01:52:03,440 --> 01:52:06,000 So any comments on that sub? just I was 2499 01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:08,800 going to uh follow up with just I think 2500 01:52:08,800 --> 01:52:11,119 it's a good idea especially because this 2501 01:52:11,119 --> 01:52:13,520 is a standing committee now but I think 2502 01:52:13,520 --> 01:52:15,440 we should just kind of kick this can 2503 01:52:15,440 --> 01:52:18,480 that can down the road until after 2504 01:52:18,480 --> 01:52:21,040 December of 2026 2505 01:52:21,040 --> 01:52:22,800 any of that sort of thing. I think that 2506 01:52:22,800 --> 01:52:25,440 that's what this this committee can do 2507 01:52:25,440 --> 01:52:28,000 in the meantime of the 10-year plans. I 2508 01:52:28,000 --> 01:52:31,920 think I I don't think we need to uh 2509 01:52:31,920 --> 01:52:34,639 take on more than what we already have. 2510 01:52:34,639 --> 01:52:36,080 I would like to state my concurrence 2511 01:52:36,080 --> 01:52:39,440 with Mr. Ray's comments. And listen, I I 2512 01:52:39,440 --> 01:52:42,239 think that makes a lot of sense and 2513 01:52:42,239 --> 01:52:44,639 maybe since you've raised the question 2514 01:52:44,639 --> 01:52:47,599 as we go through the next 18 months um 2515 01:52:47,599 --> 01:52:49,760 process, this kind of thing might come 2516 01:52:49,760 --> 01:52:52,400 up, right? Like how do we reinvent 2517 01:52:52,400 --> 01:52:55,280 ourselves as a county governance to be 2518 01:52:55,280 --> 01:52:57,440 more effective? So I'm thinking of a 2519 01:52:57,440 --> 01:52:59,679 thing in a goal that says the county 2520 01:52:59,679 --> 01:53:01,520 board should meet in different parts of 2521 01:53:01,520 --> 01:53:03,520 the county different parts of the day 2522 01:53:03,520 --> 01:53:06,400 and also try to involve youth. And so 2523 01:53:06,400 --> 01:53:09,040 that if that stays as an action that 2524 01:53:09,040 --> 01:53:13,040 might change or inform different 2525 01:53:13,040 --> 01:53:15,360 committee structures, 2526 01:53:15,360 --> 01:53:17,280 you know, maybe there's a engagement 2527 01:53:17,280 --> 01:53:19,440 with youth committee or something. All 2528 01:53:19,440 --> 01:53:21,199 I'm saying is that as we go through the 2529 01:53:21,199 --> 01:53:24,080 next 18 months, keep your idea in mind 2530 01:53:24,080 --> 01:53:26,560 so that when we're done, we can really 2531 01:53:26,560 --> 01:53:28,480 look. This is a time, you know, 10 2532 01:53:28,480 --> 01:53:30,000 years, a time for you to look at 2533 01:53:30,000 --> 01:53:32,880 everything about your county. Yeah. This 2534 01:53:32,880 --> 01:53:34,239 came up for me when I went down to the 2535 01:53:34,239 --> 01:53:36,480 forestry committee meeting uh about a 2536 01:53:36,480 --> 01:53:38,320 week ago. 2537 01:53:38,320 --> 01:53:40,719 Uh because, you know, well, we have a 2538 01:53:40,719 --> 01:53:43,199 recreation officer. That's a member of 2539 01:53:43,199 --> 01:53:44,800 the sheriff's department who deals in 2540 01:53:44,800 --> 01:53:47,199 enforcement. This is this is not someone 2541 01:53:47,199 --> 01:53:49,920 who's planning parks and recreation and 2542 01:53:49,920 --> 01:53:51,920 amenities for the citizens of the of the 2543 01:53:51,920 --> 01:53:55,119 county. It s doesn't seem that 2544 01:53:55,119 --> 01:53:57,679 recreation is well placed with forestry 2545 01:53:57,679 --> 01:53:59,760 because the folks in forestry are 2546 01:53:59,760 --> 01:54:02,239 experts on forestry. 2547 01:54:02,239 --> 01:54:03,840 So that's what brought it to mind for 2548 01:54:03,840 --> 01:54:05,280 me. But I totally agree that this is 2549 01:54:05,280 --> 01:54:06,880 kind of a kick can down the road in 2550 01:54:06,880 --> 01:54:08,239 thought. It's something to keep in mind 2551 01:54:08,239 --> 01:54:10,560 as we go through the comp plan process 2552 01:54:10,560 --> 01:54:12,719 and it's egg and extension and we no 2553 01:54:12,719 --> 01:54:15,920 longer really are an agriculturebased 2554 01:54:15,920 --> 01:54:17,599 committee. I'm the only one doing 2555 01:54:17,599 --> 01:54:20,480 anything with egg or food. We could just 2556 01:54:20,480 --> 01:54:24,870 be the extension committee. 2557 01:54:24,880 --> 01:54:26,960 Well, well said. Uh is Mary Joe still 2558 01:54:26,960 --> 01:54:30,000 with us? She might not she's uh Gary 2559 01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:33,599 your thoughts if any to contribute. 2560 01:54:33,599 --> 01:54:35,280 Well, 2561 01:54:35,280 --> 01:54:37,520 we want to start politics. you can start 2562 01:54:37,520 --> 01:54:39,520 them right there because I guarantee the 2563 01:54:39,520 --> 01:54:42,239 forestry would have a lot to say about 2564 01:54:42,239 --> 01:54:45,520 um expanding into a committee with 2565 01:54:45,520 --> 01:54:49,360 somebody else because um but that's 2566 01:54:49,360 --> 01:54:52,159 another topic. If you want to really get 2567 01:54:52,159 --> 01:54:54,239 into politics, let's talk about the size 2568 01:54:54,239 --> 01:54:58,390 of the county board. 2569 01:54:58,400 --> 01:54:59,920 Might as well get to the hot button 2570 01:54:59,920 --> 01:55:03,760 topics right off the bat. 2571 01:55:03,760 --> 01:55:05,280 Again, I think we could wait until 2572 01:55:05,280 --> 01:55:07,280 January of 2027 to start talking about 2573 01:55:07,280 --> 01:55:10,000 this. I agree. That's after the next 2574 01:55:10,000 --> 01:55:13,040 election. Gary 2575 01:55:13,040 --> 01:55:16,000 Pat. Well, so the next election is in 2576 01:55:16,000 --> 01:55:17,920 April of 2026 and then committee 2577 01:55:17,920 --> 01:55:20,080 assignments have to be made after the 2578 01:55:20,080 --> 01:55:22,639 election and these are two tyear terms 2579 01:55:22,639 --> 01:55:25,760 and so if you are going to reorganize, 2580 01:55:25,760 --> 01:55:26,880 you know, it's going to take some 2581 01:55:26,880 --> 01:55:28,400 advanced planning just so you can make 2582 01:55:28,400 --> 01:55:30,639 committee assignments after an election. 2583 01:55:30,639 --> 01:55:32,719 I'm going to say from having been on 2584 01:55:32,719 --> 01:55:35,520 land and water conservation for a couple 2585 01:55:35,520 --> 01:55:38,239 years or is it four years already or 2586 01:55:38,239 --> 01:55:40,719 three or whatever, I can't imagine that 2587 01:55:40,719 --> 01:55:42,960 merging with forestry given the 2588 01:55:42,960 --> 01:55:45,840 different things they do um and what 2589 01:55:45,840 --> 01:55:47,920 each has on their own plate. I would 2590 01:55:47,920 --> 01:55:50,480 agree that the parks and wreck stuff, 2591 01:55:50,480 --> 01:55:54,159 you know, was put somewhere and it's not 2592 01:55:54,159 --> 01:55:55,840 an easy thing. I think the bigger issue 2593 01:55:55,840 --> 01:55:59,119 with that is as a county we, you know, 2594 01:55:59,119 --> 01:56:01,360 having grown up in Bayfield County and 2595 01:56:01,360 --> 01:56:04,639 used to a lot of parks over there, it's 2596 01:56:04,639 --> 01:56:06,719 been kind of eye opening how relatively 2597 01:56:06,719 --> 01:56:09,199 little we have in Ashlin County. And I 2598 01:56:09,199 --> 01:56:12,000 think I think that's an important topic 2599 01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:13,920 to address and how it gets addressed, I 2600 01:56:13,920 --> 01:56:16,719 don't know, you know, at the moment, but 2601 01:56:16,719 --> 01:56:18,560 it's worth addressing. and maybe the 2602 01:56:18,560 --> 01:56:21,360 committee organization is part of why we 2603 01:56:21,360 --> 01:56:23,760 have relatively little of that because 2604 01:56:23,760 --> 01:56:26,880 it's just a very small piece of what a 2605 01:56:26,880 --> 01:56:29,280 committee has on their plate. Um the 2606 01:56:29,280 --> 01:56:30,800 other thing I would suggest is that you 2607 01:56:30,800 --> 01:56:32,719 look at the state statutes on what 2608 01:56:32,719 --> 01:56:34,400 committees were required to have and 2609 01:56:34,400 --> 01:56:36,880 what their charges are because I know 2610 01:56:36,880 --> 01:56:38,480 there's 2611 01:56:38,480 --> 01:56:40,159 guidelines from the state on that. So, 2612 01:56:40,159 --> 01:56:43,280 we will be limited into what we can do 2613 01:56:43,280 --> 01:56:45,599 also. But if we really are going to do 2614 01:56:45,599 --> 01:56:47,920 this, 2615 01:56:47,920 --> 01:56:50,080 I think it's about a 4-year process to 2616 01:56:50,080 --> 01:56:51,599 think it through and then make those 2617 01:56:51,599 --> 01:56:54,159 changes and put them in place after an 2618 01:56:54,159 --> 01:56:55,920 election. And I don't know that we have 2619 01:56:55,920 --> 01:56:59,760 time to delve with it before 2026, but 2620 01:56:59,760 --> 01:57:01,520 starting 2621 01:57:01,520 --> 01:57:04,320 in April of 2026, I could see a two-year 2622 01:57:04,320 --> 01:57:07,679 process to consider it. 2623 01:57:07,679 --> 01:57:10,480 other comments on this subject. I I 2624 01:57:10,480 --> 01:57:14,080 would just add I I I really think it's a 2625 01:57:14,080 --> 01:57:16,719 long-term consideration, not any 2626 01:57:16,719 --> 01:57:18,719 near-term kind of consideration, but 2627 01:57:18,719 --> 01:57:21,199 something to be thought about and maybe 2628 01:57:21,199 --> 01:57:22,960 it goes into comprehensive planning that 2629 01:57:22,960 --> 01:57:26,719 it should be thought about. Um 2630 01:57:26,719 --> 01:57:28,639 I'm particularly bothered that from my 2631 01:57:28,639 --> 01:57:30,560 reading of the statute that we ought to 2632 01:57:30,560 --> 01:57:33,840 have a parks commissioner and we don't. 2633 01:57:33,840 --> 01:57:37,599 Um, and it's my 2634 01:57:37,599 --> 01:57:39,440 I'd say I guess I would consider it a 2635 01:57:39,440 --> 01:57:43,119 personal agenda that the county ought to 2636 01:57:43,119 --> 01:57:47,920 consider development of maybe one good 2637 01:57:47,920 --> 01:57:50,239 county park per decade over the coming 2638 01:57:50,239 --> 01:57:52,880 years. Something, you know, central 2639 01:57:52,880 --> 01:57:54,880 Ashlin County, something southern Ashlin 2640 01:57:54,880 --> 01:57:58,320 County. These are real concrete services 2641 01:57:58,320 --> 01:58:01,040 to to families who live here. if we can 2642 01:58:01,040 --> 01:58:03,679 do it. If there are no further 2643 01:58:03,679 --> 01:58:06,080 discussion on that topic, we move on to 2644 01:58:06,080 --> 01:58:12,790 item five I which is publicity 2645 01:58:12,800 --> 01:58:17,280 and I have a proposal. Um 2646 01:58:17,280 --> 01:58:20,560 Dan isn't here today but 2647 01:58:20,560 --> 01:58:23,840 my thought was uh we need to raise the 2648 01:58:23,840 --> 01:58:25,760 the community awareness that this 2649 01:58:25,760 --> 01:58:27,440 comprehensive plan process is actually 2650 01:58:27,440 --> 01:58:30,239 taking place. So we there it's just you 2651 01:58:30,239 --> 01:58:33,119 know if you if we interviewed 15 2652 01:58:33,119 --> 01:58:34,320 different people down on the street 2653 01:58:34,320 --> 01:58:36,000 right now and they say do do you know 2654 01:58:36,000 --> 01:58:37,840 what the Ashlin County comprehensive 2655 01:58:37,840 --> 01:58:39,920 plan is being considered they say they 2656 01:58:39,920 --> 01:58:42,800 would say they know nothing about it. So 2657 01:58:42,800 --> 01:58:44,480 we can think of ways to raise awareness 2658 01:58:44,480 --> 01:58:47,440 which means we need to partic 2659 01:58:47,440 --> 01:58:51,119 the uh participation of of our press of 2660 01:58:51,119 --> 01:58:53,679 our newspapers and other outlets. And I 2661 01:58:53,679 --> 01:58:55,040 thought we could make a bit of a 2662 01:58:55,040 --> 01:58:57,920 publicity stunt planting a tree to 2663 01:58:57,920 --> 01:58:59,599 replace our trees that have just been 2664 01:58:59,599 --> 01:59:01,840 cut down. I don't know if anybody thinks 2665 01:59:01,840 --> 01:59:03,199 that's a good idea or a bad idea. I'm 2666 01:59:03,199 --> 01:59:06,800 just putting it out there. Lisa, 2667 01:59:06,800 --> 01:59:09,360 love it. I love the idea. And I'm 2668 01:59:09,360 --> 01:59:12,320 working on a potential project of um 2669 01:59:12,320 --> 01:59:14,719 perennial plants as food. So, I'd love 2670 01:59:14,719 --> 01:59:17,679 to see a little bit of rhubarb out there 2671 01:59:17,679 --> 01:59:20,480 and asparagus and blueberry bushes. But 2672 01:59:20,480 --> 01:59:22,239 I would start with one tree would be 2673 01:59:22,239 --> 01:59:24,320 great because I miss those ash trees 2674 01:59:24,320 --> 01:59:26,560 very much. 2675 01:59:26,560 --> 01:59:29,280 Other thoughts and comments? 2676 01:59:29,280 --> 01:59:30,960 Yeah. What kind of tree are you 2677 01:59:30,960 --> 01:59:33,360 thinking? 2678 01:59:33,360 --> 01:59:35,199 We might need a recommendation from the 2679 01:59:35,199 --> 01:59:39,510 land conservation forestry. 2680 01:59:39,520 --> 01:59:41,679 Well, on the one hand, apparently the 2681 01:59:41,679 --> 01:59:44,320 oaks like red oak have the most food 2682 01:59:44,320 --> 01:59:47,360 value um per tree, but then people 2683 01:59:47,360 --> 01:59:49,840 generally don't like acorns on their 2684 01:59:49,840 --> 01:59:52,560 lawn. But even planting that tree raises 2685 01:59:52,560 --> 01:59:54,639 the question of a lot of things going 2686 01:59:54,639 --> 01:59:57,199 on. You know, obviously with the ash 2687 01:59:57,199 --> 01:59:59,760 that's changing, but some tree species 2688 01:59:59,760 --> 02:00:02,880 are more suitable for where we're at, 2689 02:00:02,880 --> 02:00:04,960 you know, now than they used to be. Um, 2690 02:00:04,960 --> 02:00:07,679 so even picking that tree, 2691 02:00:07,679 --> 02:00:10,880 I think a rationale could be stated in 2692 02:00:10,880 --> 02:00:12,960 the context of the times we live and 2693 02:00:12,960 --> 02:00:15,280 where we live. 2694 02:00:15,280 --> 02:00:17,599 Right on. Makes sense to me. Other other 2695 02:00:17,599 --> 02:00:19,920 comments. 2696 02:00:19,920 --> 02:00:25,910 Uh, Liz, I think a nice apple tree. 2697 02:00:25,920 --> 02:00:28,239 Maybe we can do more than one. Um, the 2698 02:00:28,239 --> 02:00:29,760 other thing I noticed that, you know, 2699 02:00:29,760 --> 02:00:31,840 out front there's this his history 2700 02:00:31,840 --> 02:00:34,000 display. 2701 02:00:34,000 --> 02:00:35,760 uh that's been sponsored by what 2702 02:00:35,760 --> 02:00:38,239 Culver's I think 2703 02:00:38,239 --> 02:00:41,679 and uh we might think about trying to do 2704 02:00:41,679 --> 02:00:43,360 something similar to that that would be 2705 02:00:43,360 --> 02:00:45,840 a display out in front of the courthouse 2706 02:00:45,840 --> 02:00:47,599 like that to make people aware of the 2707 02:00:47,599 --> 02:00:49,920 comprehensive plan. 2708 02:00:49,920 --> 02:00:52,159 Um and we ought to be brainstorming 2709 02:00:52,159 --> 02:00:55,360 other ways of of raising consciousness 2710 02:00:55,360 --> 02:00:56,800 that this is going on because we're not 2711 02:00:56,800 --> 02:00:58,480 going to get anybody to come to public 2712 02:00:58,480 --> 02:01:00,800 hearings or public participation if they 2713 02:01:00,800 --> 02:01:02,719 don't know what's going on. I really 2714 02:01:02,719 --> 02:01:07,119 like this deal that was created for the 2715 02:01:07,119 --> 02:01:11,040 26 version of the 2716 02:01:11,040 --> 02:01:13,760 that's great. I mean cost a little money 2717 02:01:13,760 --> 02:01:16,159 to put something like this together, but 2718 02:01:16,159 --> 02:01:18,560 you know that's a real 2719 02:01:18,560 --> 02:01:20,560 put up on the bulletin board kind of 2720 02:01:20,560 --> 02:01:22,800 kind of thing if we could do something 2721 02:01:22,800 --> 02:01:26,000 like that again. Yeah. 2722 02:01:26,000 --> 02:01:28,320 What's 2723 02:01:28,320 --> 02:01:32,480 2026? I got that from 2724 02:01:32,480 --> 02:01:36,000 So, other ideas for publicity, Pat? 2725 02:01:36,000 --> 02:01:37,840 Well, I was going to suggest instead of 2726 02:01:37,840 --> 02:01:40,560 the the planning committee, I was going 2727 02:01:40,560 --> 02:01:42,800 to suggest the planning committee chair 2728 02:01:42,800 --> 02:01:44,880 because he's the chair, the county 2729 02:01:44,880 --> 02:01:46,639 administrator, 2730 02:01:46,639 --> 02:01:48,639 he's the administrator, the grant 2731 02:01:48,639 --> 02:01:50,800 writer, because one important reason for 2732 02:01:50,800 --> 02:01:52,639 having a plan is if you want to apply 2733 02:01:52,639 --> 02:01:54,320 for grants, it's good to have it in the 2734 02:01:54,320 --> 02:01:56,719 plan. And maybe that'll trigger some of 2735 02:01:56,719 --> 02:01:58,480 the townships and folks to say, "Hey, 2736 02:01:58,480 --> 02:01:59,920 I'll get more engaged than otherwise 2737 02:01:59,920 --> 02:02:01,440 because hey, if we could apply for some 2738 02:02:01,440 --> 02:02:02,719 grants and there's someone that might 2739 02:02:02,719 --> 02:02:05,119 help us, that's attractive." And then I 2740 02:02:05,119 --> 02:02:07,840 think Alyssa because she's Alyssa and 2741 02:02:07,840 --> 02:02:10,400 she's extension and we're going to use 2742 02:02:10,400 --> 02:02:14,639 extension to in the process and people I 2743 02:02:14,639 --> 02:02:16,560 think often think of extension when they 2744 02:02:16,560 --> 02:02:18,480 think of comp plans if they are familiar 2745 02:02:18,480 --> 02:02:21,840 with this at all. So what are you 2746 02:02:21,840 --> 02:02:24,159 signing us up to do? um to do the 2747 02:02:24,159 --> 02:02:25,920 publicity stuff with a picture in the 2748 02:02:25,920 --> 02:02:28,639 paper. But I seriously I think the I 2749 02:02:28,639 --> 02:02:32,080 think that group would be strategically 2750 02:02:32,080 --> 02:02:34,719 a good group to include. And I'll speak 2751 02:02:34,719 --> 02:02:36,639 for myself at least. I'm not sure I 2752 02:02:36,639 --> 02:02:38,800 would add anything to that picture that 2753 02:02:38,800 --> 02:02:42,639 the rest of you wouldn't already add. 2754 02:02:42,639 --> 02:02:45,119 That that's fun. And I think I my my 2755 02:02:45,119 --> 02:02:48,719 motion is that um we should have a um 2756 02:02:48,719 --> 02:02:51,599 beer and pizza party and come up with 2757 02:02:51,599 --> 02:02:54,719 ideas on how to promote this. I I love 2758 02:02:54,719 --> 02:02:56,719 the idea of a group picture because 2759 02:02:56,719 --> 02:02:58,800 they're like, "Oh, Pat, he's represents 2760 02:02:58,800 --> 02:03:01,280 me in the county and so does Bradley and 2761 02:03:01,280 --> 02:03:04,639 you know all of you and that is a visual 2762 02:03:04,639 --> 02:03:07,760 um stimulation. Plus a lot of you who 2763 02:03:07,760 --> 02:03:09,360 are in the southern part of the county, 2764 02:03:09,360 --> 02:03:11,520 the Glidden paper would pick that up. 2765 02:03:11,520 --> 02:03:13,920 Morris would pick it up. melon paper, 2766 02:03:13,920 --> 02:03:15,360 you know, I mean, you could really do 2767 02:03:15,360 --> 02:03:17,599 something fun and jazzy even with 2768 02:03:17,599 --> 02:03:19,760 photos, whether it's the tree 2769 02:03:19,760 --> 02:03:22,000 eventually, but I do love the tree and 2770 02:03:22,000 --> 02:03:24,239 actually I think three trees over the 2771 02:03:24,239 --> 02:03:25,840 last 5 years have been cut down because 2772 02:03:25,840 --> 02:03:28,159 we lost some pines. 2773 02:03:28,159 --> 02:03:30,880 So my notion for the the tree publicity 2774 02:03:30,880 --> 02:03:33,760 is that would be the pull committee and 2775 02:03:33,760 --> 02:03:36,560 that also gives a chance to say such and 2776 02:03:36,560 --> 02:03:39,440 such a person is leading the uh cultural 2777 02:03:39,440 --> 02:03:41,599 resources and facilities element and 2778 02:03:41,599 --> 02:03:43,119 such and such a person is leading the 2779 02:03:43,119 --> 02:03:45,679 agriculture and forestry element. And so 2780 02:03:45,679 --> 02:03:48,080 it identifies the people on the 2781 02:03:48,080 --> 02:03:49,840 committee who and on the staff who are 2782 02:03:49,840 --> 02:03:52,719 making contributions to this process and 2783 02:03:52,719 --> 02:03:56,880 putting a real name and a pace to a to a 2784 02:03:56,880 --> 02:04:00,560 an effort that the public can see. So I 2785 02:04:00,560 --> 02:04:02,239 I'll talk to Dan about that and see if 2786 02:04:02,239 --> 02:04:04,719 we make it happen. Pat. Well, as far as 2787 02:04:04,719 --> 02:04:07,920 planting a tree, it's, you know, getting 2788 02:04:07,920 --> 02:04:10,320 a little hard to come by at this point. 2789 02:04:10,320 --> 02:04:13,040 And if you're buying one that's been 2790 02:04:13,040 --> 02:04:15,119 bundled up and you might have a root 2791 02:04:15,119 --> 02:04:18,320 ball that's rootbound, you know, some of 2792 02:04:18,320 --> 02:04:20,400 these places if they don't sell a tree, 2793 02:04:20,400 --> 02:04:21,840 they keep it another year and it's all 2794 02:04:21,840 --> 02:04:23,599 rootbound, which isn't good as far as a 2795 02:04:23,599 --> 02:04:26,639 survival rate of a tree. Um, so if we're 2796 02:04:26,639 --> 02:04:29,280 going to get a tree, it's got to be we 2797 02:04:29,280 --> 02:04:30,880 have to decide what tree and make sure 2798 02:04:30,880 --> 02:04:33,360 it's a source where the survival rate is 2799 02:04:33,360 --> 02:04:36,000 fairly high cuz some of these trees, 2800 02:04:36,000 --> 02:04:37,599 there was some data out of the state 2801 02:04:37,599 --> 02:04:40,880 forestry plan I was reading for my own 2802 02:04:40,880 --> 02:04:42,880 stuff over the winter. I was a little 2803 02:04:42,880 --> 02:04:45,920 surprised at the survival rates of some 2804 02:04:45,920 --> 02:04:47,280 of these municipal trees that are 2805 02:04:47,280 --> 02:04:49,840 planted. It's not so great. So, we want 2806 02:04:49,840 --> 02:04:52,320 to pick the tree we want and then make 2807 02:04:52,320 --> 02:04:53,840 sure it's a good source. we have a high 2808 02:04:53,840 --> 02:04:56,560 chance of surviving. Maybe Chris Hoffman 2809 02:04:56,560 --> 02:04:59,360 could give us some input on trees. I've 2810 02:04:59,360 --> 02:05:00,800 noticed around the town just driving 2811 02:05:00,800 --> 02:05:01,920 today that there are a number of new 2812 02:05:01,920 --> 02:05:03,599 trees being planted around the city of 2813 02:05:03,599 --> 02:05:07,760 Ashland and u out of Msaskki Beach uh in 2814 02:05:07,760 --> 02:05:11,119 town here and uh in my view is you hire 2815 02:05:11,119 --> 02:05:14,960 a nursery to bring in a a fairly large 2816 02:05:14,960 --> 02:05:19,119 you know uh six-year-old tree and be 2817 02:05:19,119 --> 02:05:21,599 actually do the planting of it and the 2818 02:05:21,599 --> 02:05:23,760 committee's therefore to celebrate the 2819 02:05:23,760 --> 02:05:25,599 planting of it rather than actually 2820 02:05:25,599 --> 02:05:30,080 doing shovel and watering work. 2821 02:05:30,080 --> 02:05:31,679 even though we have some experts on the 2822 02:05:31,679 --> 02:05:34,880 committee. Uh Erica, I I would be happy 2823 02:05:34,880 --> 02:05:38,560 to write the press release on that. Um I 2824 02:05:38,560 --> 02:05:40,639 I think we'd want to think about the 2825 02:05:40,639 --> 02:05:45,040 length of it. Um maybe even including, 2826 02:05:45,040 --> 02:05:47,040 you know, if we have a finalized grant 2827 02:05:47,040 --> 02:05:50,960 agreement. Um, if we want to list who's 2828 02:05:50,960 --> 02:05:52,480 leading each subcommittee, then that's 2829 02:05:52,480 --> 02:05:54,159 getting kind of long, like talking about 2830 02:05:54,159 --> 02:05:55,760 the plan, talking about the tree, 2831 02:05:55,760 --> 02:05:57,760 talking about the grant, talking about 2832 02:05:57,760 --> 02:06:00,080 So, we could roll it out over a couple a 2833 02:06:00,080 --> 02:06:02,880 couple of, you know, press releases over 2834 02:06:02,880 --> 02:06:06,000 the next couple of months. Um, but I 2835 02:06:06,000 --> 02:06:07,440 would also put a plug in for Mary Joe 2836 02:06:07,440 --> 02:06:10,480 and her people in in giving us a vetted 2837 02:06:10,480 --> 02:06:13,040 list of ideas for trees because they 2838 02:06:13,040 --> 02:06:14,480 have the tree sale, they have the 2839 02:06:14,480 --> 02:06:16,080 expertise. I think that's actually 2840 02:06:16,080 --> 02:06:17,840 probably better than forestry at this 2841 02:06:17,840 --> 02:06:20,800 point. I would suggest just in the press 2842 02:06:20,800 --> 02:06:24,000 release refer to the a web page that has 2843 02:06:24,000 --> 02:06:25,599 some of the information we want to do in 2844 02:06:25,599 --> 02:06:29,440 there. Anyway, I um so I got a call from 2845 02:06:29,440 --> 02:06:32,079 Tom Stankard yesterday who's the editor 2846 02:06:32,079 --> 02:06:34,400 for Daily Press. He he wanted to ask me 2847 02:06:34,400 --> 02:06:37,199 about the demon Saturday demonstration 2848 02:06:37,199 --> 02:06:38,639 uh which I was very careful about 2849 02:06:38,639 --> 02:06:41,679 commenting upon. But um I mentioned to 2850 02:06:41,679 --> 02:06:43,679 him about the the comprehension plan 2851 02:06:43,679 --> 02:06:46,000 process going on forward and we need to 2852 02:06:46,000 --> 02:06:48,800 get ways raise public awareness and he 2853 02:06:48,800 --> 02:06:52,560 was uh right on board with that. So I 2854 02:06:52,560 --> 02:06:54,320 think we ought to get decent cooperation 2855 02:06:54,320 --> 02:06:55,840 out of Lisa Daily Press. Haven't talked 2856 02:06:55,840 --> 02:06:57,679 to anybody at Bottom line yet or some of 2857 02:06:57,679 --> 02:06:59,920 these other publications but it's a good 2858 02:06:59,920 --> 02:07:01,920 start. 2859 02:07:01,920 --> 02:07:05,119 Other comments uh ideas thoughts on 2860 02:07:05,119 --> 02:07:07,840 publicity? 2861 02:07:07,840 --> 02:07:10,079 If not, we move on to scheduling the 2862 02:07:10,079 --> 02:07:12,960 next meeting. I have that proposed here 2863 02:07:12,960 --> 02:07:15,520 for July 15. 2864 02:07:15,520 --> 02:07:17,440 Uh, 2865 02:07:17,440 --> 02:07:19,119 it's just a pencil and date. We could 2866 02:07:19,119 --> 02:07:20,719 see if we actually get a quorum on that 2867 02:07:20,719 --> 02:07:22,400 date, but it seemed like a good one to 2868 02:07:22,400 --> 02:07:24,880 me. I think that's again, it's a Tuesday 2869 02:07:24,880 --> 02:07:29,189 at 2 o'clock in the afternoon. 2870 02:07:29,199 --> 02:07:32,960 I I'll just let you know that uh I 2871 02:07:32,960 --> 02:07:35,040 recently have a staff member leaving so 2872 02:07:35,040 --> 02:07:36,639 that I'm going to be short staffed and 2873 02:07:36,639 --> 02:07:38,719 that might mean that I'm gone uh and 2874 02:07:38,719 --> 02:07:40,639 will not be able to make day day 2875 02:07:40,639 --> 02:07:42,400 meetings during the month of July. So, 2876 02:07:42,400 --> 02:07:45,760 okay, other thoughts, comments? Okay. 2877 02:07:45,760 --> 02:07:47,280 So, I'm going to pencil that in and have 2878 02:07:47,280 --> 02:07:50,079 that put on the calendar for now. And 2879 02:07:50,079 --> 02:07:54,079 then I would like to also just have the 2880 02:07:54,079 --> 02:07:57,840 the calendar pencileled in for um the 2881 02:07:57,840 --> 02:08:00,000 second Tuesday of each month at that 2882 02:08:00,000 --> 02:08:02,960 time and then we'll just have to work 2883 02:08:02,960 --> 02:08:05,199 around those pencileled in dates. Is 2884 02:08:05,199 --> 02:08:08,960 there any objection to that process? 2885 02:08:08,960 --> 02:08:13,510 Second. 2886 02:08:13,520 --> 02:08:15,599 Uh see is the 15th the second or the 2887 02:08:15,599 --> 02:08:18,159 third? 2888 02:08:18,159 --> 02:08:21,199 It isn't. Okay. Well, then I ought to go 2889 02:08:21,199 --> 02:08:23,760 with the uh with the third, I guess. Let 2890 02:08:23,760 --> 02:08:27,360 me look at the calendar here. Maybe I 2891 02:08:27,360 --> 02:08:31,589 some reason. 2892 02:08:31,599 --> 02:08:34,000 Oh, boy. See here. 2893 02:08:34,000 --> 02:08:38,629 Uh July, 2894 02:08:38,639 --> 02:08:47,990 August. 2895 02:08:48,000 --> 02:08:50,719 Okay. Okay. So, the third third I'll 2896 02:08:50,719 --> 02:08:54,239 pencil in the third then, 2897 02:08:54,239 --> 02:08:56,320 right? 2898 02:08:56,320 --> 02:08:59,679 Okay. Any other um 2899 02:08:59,679 --> 02:09:02,800 discussion? We have uh item number seven 2900 02:09:02,800 --> 02:09:06,239 is a second public comment period. 2901 02:09:06,239 --> 02:09:08,079 Is there anybody for public comment 2902 02:09:08,079 --> 02:09:10,480 online? Not seeing anybody. No one 2903 02:09:10,480 --> 02:09:13,760 present. We're going to move on to item 2904 02:09:13,760 --> 02:09:16,800 number eight, which is committee review 2905 02:09:16,800 --> 02:09:18,480 of public comments, but there were no 2906 02:09:18,480 --> 02:09:19,679 public comments, so I don't think we 2907 02:09:19,679 --> 02:09:22,800 have anything to say there. Pat. Well, 2908 02:09:22,800 --> 02:09:24,960 as far as penciling in dates, the county 2909 02:09:24,960 --> 02:09:27,040 keeps the calendar and then as 2910 02:09:27,040 --> 02:09:28,719 committees schedule meetings, they look 2911 02:09:28,719 --> 02:09:31,840 at the calendar to see what's open. And 2912 02:09:31,840 --> 02:09:33,840 so I think the question is when we're 2913 02:09:33,840 --> 02:09:35,920 talking about penciling in, are we 2914 02:09:35,920 --> 02:09:37,599 actually setting those in the county 2915 02:09:37,599 --> 02:09:40,239 calendar so that this room is set aside 2916 02:09:40,239 --> 02:09:43,679 then and we don't have other meetings 2917 02:09:43,679 --> 02:09:45,199 potentially getting scheduled during 2918 02:09:45,199 --> 02:09:47,280 that time? Yeah. My intention is to get 2919 02:09:47,280 --> 02:09:49,119 them on the county calendar. So that's 2920 02:09:49,119 --> 02:09:50,800 what pencing put them on the county 2921 02:09:50,800 --> 02:09:52,719 calendar but for members of committee to 2922 02:09:52,719 --> 02:09:55,199 understand that they could be they could 2923 02:09:55,199 --> 02:09:56,480 could be changed if we need to change 2924 02:09:56,480 --> 02:09:58,960 them. you can put it on the calendar 2925 02:09:58,960 --> 02:10:02,159 because you you know up until a week in 2926 02:10:02,159 --> 02:10:03,520 advance of the meeting you can change 2927 02:10:03,520 --> 02:10:08,000 the date or you can cancel the meeting. 2928 02:10:08,000 --> 02:10:09,520 Well, 2929 02:10:09,520 --> 02:10:12,800 when I look at September, I've got a 2930 02:10:12,800 --> 02:10:16,000 county board meeting that morning, but 2931 02:10:16,000 --> 02:10:18,079 we're we're looking at meeting at 2:00 2932 02:10:18,079 --> 02:10:20,960 in the afternoon. Sometimes finance or 2933 02:10:20,960 --> 02:10:22,400 zoning have been meeting in the 2934 02:10:22,400 --> 02:10:25,440 afternoon, which I'm on and Brad's on 2935 02:10:25,440 --> 02:10:30,000 finance. Um, so if we by penciling in if 2936 02:10:30,000 --> 02:10:31,520 if we're actually going to have on the 2937 02:10:31,520 --> 02:10:34,800 county calendar these dates popping up 2938 02:10:34,800 --> 02:10:36,719 then as we because right now I need to 2939 02:10:36,719 --> 02:10:38,560 talk to Brad about scheduling a finance 2940 02:10:38,560 --> 02:10:41,599 meeting and I need to know what's 2941 02:10:41,599 --> 02:10:45,440 available, what isn't. Um, I mean, do we 2942 02:10:45,440 --> 02:10:46,560 want to go out to the end of the year 2943 02:10:46,560 --> 02:10:49,040 and and pencil, you know, on the 2944 02:10:49,040 --> 02:10:52,719 calendar schedule the third Tuesday or 2945 02:10:52,719 --> 02:10:55,520 what is it whatever day of the week? My 2946 02:10:55,520 --> 02:10:58,480 my view is that um yes, I I'd like to 2947 02:10:58,480 --> 02:11:00,560 get our bid in for these times and 2948 02:11:00,560 --> 02:11:03,280 dates. I think um if they need to be 2949 02:11:03,280 --> 02:11:05,199 changed that Gary could make that call 2950 02:11:05,199 --> 02:11:08,079 about what's the priority. Uh but I I 2951 02:11:08,079 --> 02:11:10,639 would like to uh you know raise our hand 2952 02:11:10,639 --> 02:11:12,400 and say we we'd like to have these time 2953 02:11:12,400 --> 02:11:15,119 slots. So the third Tuesday of each 2954 02:11:15,119 --> 02:11:17,040 month without looking at Thanksgiving 2955 02:11:17,040 --> 02:11:22,069 and Christmas here. Um, 2956 02:11:22,079 --> 02:11:24,480 that's I think it works on all months 2957 02:11:24,480 --> 02:11:26,719 actually. That's the 18th of November. 2958 02:11:26,719 --> 02:11:28,480 It will work out really well because 2959 02:11:28,480 --> 02:11:32,480 it's the I think the 2960 02:11:32,480 --> 02:11:35,199 the uh county board, didn't it? They 2961 02:11:35,199 --> 02:11:38,880 just set like the last one, the fourth 2962 02:11:38,880 --> 02:11:41,760 except in September. It's the it's the 2963 02:11:41,760 --> 02:11:43,760 fourth Tuesday of every month going 2964 02:11:43,760 --> 02:11:46,719 through and so ex other than September, 2965 02:11:46,719 --> 02:11:49,040 the third Tuesday works. I would suggest 2966 02:11:49,040 --> 02:11:51,280 that we go ahead and think about a 2967 02:11:51,280 --> 02:11:53,280 different time because I can't take the 2968 02:11:53,280 --> 02:11:54,719 whole day off. We have a nine o'clock 2969 02:11:54,719 --> 02:11:56,400 and then a two o'clock. I just can't do 2970 02:11:56,400 --> 02:11:58,880 that. Yeah. So, I I would say September, 2971 02:11:58,880 --> 02:12:03,679 we either go the 2nd or the 4th and uh 2972 02:12:03,679 --> 02:12:05,360 but other than that, go ahead and do it. 2973 02:12:05,360 --> 02:12:07,280 If I get stuff on my calendar, there's a 2974 02:12:07,280 --> 02:12:09,119 better chance I don't schedule something 2975 02:12:09,119 --> 02:12:11,040 else over it. There's always going to be 2976 02:12:11,040 --> 02:12:14,400 conflicts with me, but there's a better 2977 02:12:14,400 --> 02:12:15,920 chance that I can make it if it's on my 2978 02:12:15,920 --> 02:12:18,079 calendar further in advance. 2979 02:12:18,079 --> 02:12:20,000 So that's why I have to schedule my 2980 02:12:20,000 --> 02:12:21,840 vacation 2981 02:12:21,840 --> 02:12:24,639 into May, early June now. It's already 2982 02:12:24,639 --> 02:12:25,760 scheduled for next year. I don't know 2983 02:12:25,760 --> 02:12:26,880 what I'm doing, but it's already 2984 02:12:26,880 --> 02:12:30,229 scheduled. 2985 02:12:30,239 --> 02:12:36,149 Okay. 2986 02:12:36,159 --> 02:12:38,400 So definitely be reconsidered at our 2987 02:12:38,400 --> 02:12:41,040 next meeting in July that this whole 2988 02:12:41,040 --> 02:12:43,599 idea of future meetings. Well, just I I 2989 02:12:43,599 --> 02:12:45,199 just wanted to understand when we say 2990 02:12:45,199 --> 02:12:47,280 pencil in in my writing on my calendar, 2991 02:12:47,280 --> 02:12:49,280 penciling it in, but if it's not showing 2992 02:12:49,280 --> 02:12:51,280 up on the county calendar, others could 2993 02:12:51,280 --> 02:12:53,679 schedule a meeting sometimes of which 2994 02:12:53,679 --> 02:12:57,760 I'm on that too. And then yeah, I list I 2995 02:12:57,760 --> 02:13:00,560 can only be in one place at one time. I 2996 02:13:00,560 --> 02:13:03,119 intend to put I intend to put these on 2997 02:13:03,119 --> 02:13:04,880 the county calendar with the 2998 02:13:04,880 --> 02:13:06,239 understanding that, you know, you can 2999 02:13:06,239 --> 02:13:13,430 change it. Okay. 3000 02:13:13,440 --> 02:13:19,270 comments 3001 02:13:19,280 --> 02:13:21,599 to share. 3002 02:13:21,599 --> 02:13:27,990 Okay, Gary comments. 3003 02:13:28,000 --> 02:13:30,239 Sorry, summary comments. Gary, anything 3004 02:13:30,239 --> 02:13:33,840 to be added? Uh, no, not at this time. 3005 02:13:33,840 --> 02:13:35,920 Thank you. And Okay. your 3006 02:13:35,920 --> 02:13:38,079 recommendations for future agenda items. 3007 02:13:38,079 --> 02:13:40,000 Anybody have something they specifically 3008 02:13:40,000 --> 02:13:42,719 want to put on the agenda? Lisa, can we 3009 02:13:42,719 --> 02:13:46,079 roll over that one about your um photo 3010 02:13:46,079 --> 02:13:49,280 op? Because that'll be a July meeting 3011 02:13:49,280 --> 02:13:51,119 with regional planning coming on in 3012 02:13:51,119 --> 02:13:53,599 August that might be a nice prepper. And 3013 02:13:53,599 --> 02:13:56,000 then maybe in August when regional 3014 02:13:56,000 --> 02:13:57,760 planning comes on there's something else 3015 02:13:57,760 --> 02:14:01,199 jazzy that you could do part two or 3016 02:14:01,199 --> 02:14:03,599 you know 3017 02:14:03,599 --> 02:14:05,360 other suggestions for future agenda. 3018 02:14:05,360 --> 02:14:08,400 Erica I would just suggest that we stick 3019 02:14:08,400 --> 02:14:12,400 to the calendar um the the scope of work 3020 02:14:12,400 --> 02:14:16,159 has month three as setup plan update web 3021 02:14:16,159 --> 02:14:18,639 page. So maybe we 3022 02:14:18,639 --> 02:14:21,360 work toward that and make sure that that 3023 02:14:21,360 --> 02:14:24,719 is on board by the next meeting. Uh it 3024 02:14:24,719 --> 02:14:27,199 also adds engage local units of 3025 02:14:27,199 --> 02:14:28,880 government 3026 02:14:28,880 --> 02:14:31,040 and then issue press releases announcing 3027 02:14:31,040 --> 02:14:32,560 plan. 3028 02:14:32,560 --> 02:14:36,560 Um so we're we are doing all of that but 3029 02:14:36,560 --> 02:14:38,719 maybe just make sure that we've we've 3030 02:14:38,719 --> 02:14:40,079 worked toward it and then we're kind of 3031 02:14:40,079 --> 02:14:46,149 checking it off at that meeting. 3032 02:14:46,159 --> 02:14:48,880 So, get your haircuts the day before the 3033 02:14:48,880 --> 02:14:51,760 meeting. Any other uh suggestions for 3034 02:14:51,760 --> 02:14:55,520 the next meeting? Uh if not, can I 3035 02:14:55,520 --> 02:14:58,639 entertain a motion to adjurnn? Brad so 3036 02:14:58,639 --> 02:15:01,520 moved. Mr. Ray moves to adjurnn. Second, 3037 02:15:01,520 --> 02:15:03,360 please. That will second. Mr. Kenny 3038 02:15:03,360 --> 02:15:06,480 moves a second. Discussion. 3039 02:15:06,480 --> 02:15:10,320 All in favor say I. Any opposed? 3040 02:15:10,320 --> 02:15:12,079 Meetings adjourned to the public access 3041 02:15:12,079 --> 02:15:14,480 session. Uh if there are any public 3042 02:15:14,480 --> 02:15:17,360 wanting to talk to