[0:10] Okay. Are we going to start recording?
[0:12] Yeah. Okay. We are recording. It's 2
[0:15] o'clock. Uh time to begin this meeting
[0:18] of the Ashlin County Planning Committee.
[0:20] It's Tuesday, June 17. Uh the planning
[0:24] committee is meeting here in the
[0:25] courthouse with access via Zoom. I can
[0:28] see that Gary Mertig is on. Are you
[0:31] there, Gary? Can you hear us?
[0:35] Gary, can you hear us? We cannot hear
[0:37] you.
[0:42] Okay, we'll wait on that. Uh, so
[0:47] first item is roll call
[0:51] and hopefully Gary will come in because
[0:53] we need him for a quorum. George Buset.
[0:56] Uh, here. Use your mics, please. Bradley
[0:59] Ray.
[1:04] Elizabeth Franic here. Pat Kenny here.
[1:09] Gary Mertig.
[1:15] Gary, can you hear us?
[1:21] Continue
[1:39] with the roll call, please. Pat, Dan
[1:42] Grady,
[1:45] Lissa Radkkey here, and Charlie Ortman.
[2:00] Uh, we're going to pause the roll call
[2:02] for a minute. I'm going to try to call
[2:03] Gary. See if we can get a quorum up.
[2:06] Okay,
[2:10] Brad Ray just walked Ray is here. So, we
[2:12] have a quorum and I just Okay.
[2:46] This is Gary.
[2:51] Gary's online. Thank you.
[2:57] Mary Joe's online.
[3:01] Thank you very much.
[3:03] Okay, so it appears that we have a
[3:04] quorum. That's good news.
[3:07] Uh so the next item up is the approval
[3:10] of the agenda. Are there comments or
[3:13] suggestions regarding the agenda?
[3:17] Anyone? Anybody online?
[3:21] Gary
[3:23] Brad. Okay. No, no comments. Did I hear
[3:26] a motion to approve the agenda, please?
[3:28] Brad Ray. So moved. Brad Ray. Motion to
[3:30] approve the agenda. That will second.
[3:32] Pat Kenny. A second for the agenda. All
[3:35] in favor please say I. I. Any oppose? So
[3:39] the agenda is approved. Uh next we move
[3:41] on to item three which is public
[3:44] comments.
[3:46] Is there anybody online who would like
[3:48] to make a public comment?
[3:52] Is there anybody present would like to
[3:54] make a comment?
[3:56] Second call for public comments.
[3:59] Last call for public comments at this
[4:01] time. Hearing no request for public
[4:04] comment, we move on to item number four,
[4:06] which is approval of the minutes of the
[4:10] last meeting, which was May 12. And I've
[4:13] just asked uh Karisha to note that um
[4:17] Lisa Radkkey cannot be two places at the
[4:19] same time. So you you are listed as a
[4:24] present, but also as an other present.
[4:26] So we just we're we're making your other
[4:28] presence
[4:30] adjusted. Any other comments? Any any
[4:33] other comments on the uh uh the minutes
[4:35] of the last meeting? Okay. Uh can we
[4:38] have a motion to approve the minutes of
[4:39] the last meeting? Liz Franic. Motions to
[4:42] approve. Motion to approve. Second.
[4:46] Brad will second. Brad Ray second.
[4:47] Motion to approve the minutes
[4:49] discussion.
[4:51] All in favor, please say I. Any opposed?
[4:55] None in the negatives. The minutes of
[4:57] the prior meeting are approved.
[4:59] Then we're moving on to discussion items
[5:02] which is five 5A. First discussion item
[5:06] is little fun facts or favorite things
[5:09] about Ashlin County contributions by any
[5:13] or all committee members. Are there any
[5:16] committee members or persons present who
[5:18] would like to bring out a a fun fact?
[5:24] Melissa,
[5:26] use your mic, please. Yep. I'm figuring
[5:29] it. Um, I'll give you one, but I think
[5:34] you probably know it. Um, what's the
[5:36] tallest What's the second tallest?
[5:40] I'm going to start over.
[5:42] What's the tallest part in Ashen County?
[5:44] Tallest point.
[5:49] Mount Whittle Sea in the Porcupine
[5:51] Mountains. That is the eighth tallest
[5:55] point in state in our whole state. It's
[5:58] only 79 feet shorter than the tallest
[6:02] um point, which is Tim's Hill in Price
[6:05] County. So, we're at 1872
[6:10] feet tall at Mount Whittley in the
[6:12] Porcupine Mountains. Like, that's pretty
[6:14] cool. Where's it located? Mount Whittley
[6:18] is in the Porcupine Mountains. Porcupine
[6:21] Mountains are up by Mount by Anton.
[6:23] That's Michigan. What am I saying? Pino.
[6:26] Okay. In the Pinocchi Range. That's a
[6:27] fun fact that it's the Pino.
[6:32] Okay, I have I have two and um the first
[6:36] part of this starts with a little
[6:37] context and then I'll get to the
[6:39] actually the interesting point.
[6:42] So, um, see,
[6:45] in 1664,
[6:48] the great interpreter and trader
[6:50] Nicholas Perau
[6:53] was probably with canoes from Lake
[6:56] Superior that came to a dramatic and
[7:00] pagan-like halt at the little settlement
[7:03] of three rivers halfway between Montreal
[7:05] and Quebec. He and his Indian
[7:08] companions, so he had Native American
[7:12] guide companions, uh, had beaten off two
[7:15] attacking parties of Irakcoy and their
[7:17] canoes were piled high with furs, so
[7:19] they'd come back from
[7:21] the superior from the upper Midwest.
[7:24] So it is small wonder that they sang
[7:26] songs of victory, shot off their guns,
[7:28] and otherwise impressed four companies
[7:30] of soldiers just arrived for the first
[7:32] time from France. When the Indians
[7:34] returned to their homes, a cultured and
[7:38] vigorous Jesuit missionary accompanied
[7:40] them, Father Claude Jean Alou.
[7:45] He made his way to the foot of
[7:47] Shawamagan Bay
[7:50] where seven different tribes were then
[7:53] living in a little settlement.
[7:57] There he built a Bart chapel and a hut
[7:59] for himself. He worked long and hard
[8:01] without too much success and in the
[8:04] spring of 1667 he decided to visit the
[8:07] Npasing tribe then in the area north of
[8:10] Lake Nipagon.
[8:13] It's from a book by Grace Lee N uh I
[8:17] think published about 1944 called Lake
[8:20] Superior.
[8:22] Then here's another little uh Ashlin
[8:25] County fact from
[8:28] 1996.
[8:30] The Ashlin landing handled 31,000 cords
[8:34] of pulpwood shipped directly on rail in
[8:37] 1996.
[8:39] 48,675
[8:41] cord overall from Ashlin region
[8:48] h
[8:51] 1996 before the pulpo closed I think.
[8:55] Yeah. Any other interesting fun facts,
[8:59] Liz? Uh, Liz. Well, I Everybody knows I
[9:02] work with the public and nobody can
[9:05] pronounce shamigan and I work at the
[9:07] Schwamagan family restaurant. And I tell
[9:09] them that comes from the nishnab Ojiway
[9:12] word shiuamakum which means shallow
[9:16] waters or place of shallow waters or
[9:18] sandy shores. Um, also a nice fact about
[9:22] my family is my great grandpa Samuel
[9:25] Seedstra worked with the Bad River tribe
[9:30] way back in time and uh helped start the
[9:33] first Bad River Powow which was a Bad
[9:36] River fair. So I'd like to find out more
[9:40] information about that. Thank you.
[9:43] Any other contributions?
[9:46] the shallow waters. I think the voters
[9:47] all this spring would have would agree
[9:49] with shallow waters because having a
[9:50] hard time getting their boats in the
[9:52] water.
[9:54] Uh this is Mary Joe.
[9:57] Go ahead. Um I don't have an additional
[10:00] contribution, but when Lisa was talking
[10:02] about Mount Whittley,
[10:04] that's actually located um southeast of
[10:08] Melon.
[10:09] So, and it's almost halfway in between
[10:12] Lake Galilee and Highway 77. So if you
[10:16] were going to head east out of Melon
[10:18] along Highway 77 and you look to your
[10:21] south, that's where Mount Whittley is
[10:24] located up in the Pinocchi Hills there.
[10:28] And one of the second highest or in the
[10:30] other top five peaks is called Eagle's
[10:32] Nest and that's right around along on
[10:36] that same ridge as well.
[10:39] Sounds like a good hike. Any other
[10:42] contributions to fun facts? Okay. So, we
[10:45] move on to subcommittee status reports.
[10:49] So, just want to see where we stand one
[10:51] at a time. So, Brad, can we start with
[10:54] you, please?
[10:56] I've been out of the country for the
[10:57] last three weeks. So, I have not done
[10:58] anything
[11:00] in terms of any job uh for the last
[11:04] three weeks other than read the packet
[11:06] right before we came last night. So,
[11:08] sorry. No update.
[11:10] Uh, Liz,
[11:13] no update either, but I'd like to know
[11:16] like did you spread the news of Ashlin
[11:18] County to a different country and are
[11:20] they willing to come over here for a
[11:22] visit?
[11:25] Um, we I talked about Ashlin. Yeah. Uh,
[11:28] and that there was bears and wolves up
[11:30] here. People were surprised there's
[11:32] wildlife around um o over there, but uh
[11:36] I don't think anybody's going to come.
[11:39] So, sorry,
[11:45] Alicia.
[11:48] Um, well, let's see. George and I met to
[11:50] talk about how to deal with sub
[11:53] committees. Um the um I've got a plan
[11:57] but I haven't written it down
[12:01] for how to deal with the kind of like
[12:04] the SWAT analysis, the issues, the
[12:07] trends, the challenges and
[12:09] opportunities.
[12:11] That's my that'll be my job. Okay. Uh
[12:16] Pat,
[12:17] I've got the um egg and forestry and
[12:21] natural resources. And since we have
[12:23] Mary Joe here, um yesterday I was at the
[12:25] farm and on the south fence line that
[12:27] half mile I had it surveyed April 30th
[12:29] and and set posts for the survey line
[12:33] and then I was pulling the old steel
[12:34] post with a shovel dig around them and
[12:36] so I can get them loose and whatever.
[12:39] But as I'm doing that, I hear something
[12:41] walking through the woods, not fast.
[12:45] Um so I pause and I look and there's a
[12:48] little null where I was at. And so I
[12:51] look and
[12:53] 50 feet, maybe 60 at the most, up pops a
[12:57] big bearhead. And I can see his eyes
[12:59] going back and forth looking. And um
[13:02] then I can see him smelling. I had some
[13:05] salmon loaf for lunch and my cooler
[13:07] wasn't far away. But this year, Mary
[13:10] Joe, instead of standing up and scaring
[13:12] the bear, which I felt bad about for a
[13:14] very long time last year, this is very
[13:16] close, like 150 ft from last year. This
[13:20] time
[13:21] the bear when he was trying to figure
[13:23] out where the scent was coming from, I
[13:24] just simply said this loud, "Hear bear,
[13:27] bear." And that was enough for him to
[13:29] see me and then walk away. And I didn't
[13:32] scare him this time. So I feel good
[13:35] about not scaring the bear. I scared him
[13:37] last year. He was he was right behind
[13:40] me. That was um not good to scare. Um on
[13:44] the egg part, um Lisa started back in
[13:46] December with some egg related meetings.
[13:49] So she spearheaded that with the group.
[13:51] So I attended those and and now run a
[13:54] farmland preservation um set of
[13:56] meetings. We've got one the 24th coming
[13:58] up. Mary Joe has been um spearheading
[14:01] that with Northwest Regional Planning.
[14:02] So that part we're doing good on the
[14:04] forestry plan. I know we approved that
[14:06] as a board a several years ago and for
[14:09] the life of me on the county website I
[14:11] cannot find it. Um, so once we get done
[14:14] with the farmland preservation, I'm
[14:15] going to have to track down the the
[14:18] county plan and see if we can get it on
[14:20] the forestry website and then start in
[14:23] on that. And I I have been planting more
[14:26] trees again and I did 10 acres of acorns
[14:29] and shagbar hickory and black walnut
[14:31] last year trying to reforest. did the um
[14:35] um online course on forest adaptation
[14:38] last winter. So, I got a lot of
[14:40] questions about forest adaptation and
[14:41] what's going on with, you know, climate
[14:44] change, which is what it is. It's it's
[14:46] really different. So, I'll get to the
[14:47] forestry part once we wrap up the
[14:49] farmland preservation.
[14:54] Okay. Uh George, I have uh
[14:57] transportation and utilities.
[15:00] So it is my intention to try to draw on
[15:04] people from different transportation and
[15:07] utility sectors
[15:09] and maybe do it in two separate segments
[15:12] because they're kind of different
[15:14] categories.
[15:16] So, I'm going to try to ask the um the
[15:19] harbor commission to see if there's
[15:21] someone who would participate in a
[15:22] working group uh the county highway
[15:24] department
[15:26] uh from the airport commission uh from
[15:29] the trails, hiking trails and ATB
[15:32] trails. So that's my approach is to
[15:36] start inviting people who might be
[15:38] willing to give some time to the subject
[15:42] and then
[15:44] open and so form a uh a working group.
[15:48] I'm not sure about you know how we
[15:52] provide space and a meeting time or
[15:54] place to do this. And I think that's
[15:57] that's something we have to figure out
[15:59] for all of us because okay, I'm going to
[16:02] have some kind of working subgroup maybe
[16:04] with with people contributing. But how
[16:06] do we actually make that happen? Where
[16:09] where can we meet? When can we meet? How
[16:12] do we meet? Do we need to be online? Do
[16:14] we not? There's a lot of those kind of
[16:17] practical questions. But I'm going to
[16:20] start by just see if I can attract some
[16:22] people from the different areas. And
[16:24] then if I can do that, then establish a
[16:27] meeting time and place and make it known
[16:29] to the public that they're willing to
[16:30] come and contribute or maybe invite some
[16:32] people to come and contribute from the
[16:35] different governmental groups, you know,
[16:37] different municipalities,
[16:39] you know, someone from Le Point,
[16:42] someone from Butternut. They're
[16:43] different really different needs. So
[16:44] that's my approach but I think each of
[16:47] us has to take our own individual
[16:49] approach to our um to what we are
[16:52] personally you know willing and able and
[16:55] and prepared to do in terms of trying to
[16:58] get these elements written. Um
[17:01] so we're missing Charlie today for the
[17:04] intergovernmental
[17:06] uh Gary are you there? I'm here.
[17:10] Uh can you tell us anything uh going on
[17:13] with e the economic development and land
[17:15] use elements? Uh yeah, I a few weeks ago
[17:19] I talked to our land description office
[17:21] and told them that we'd be looking for
[17:23] more information at some point. I'm
[17:26] still waiting to hear when we get to the
[17:29] point of bringing Northwest Regional
[17:30] Planning on so that we have more of a
[17:34] guideline as to okay, how in depth or
[17:37] how far are we going? Um
[17:41] so that because they've done this before
[17:44] and so that we don't both them and us
[17:48] are on the same page is you know what do
[17:50] they see us needing um before we get too
[17:53] far ahead of ourselves. But I do have a
[17:56] just a quick point of something that
[18:00] this could have gone before. But about a
[18:02] week ago, I was on a little lake west of
[18:06] Melon
[18:08] and you could hear the traffic on GG,
[18:10] which is a welltraveled road. But at one
[18:13] point, I said to my fishing buddy, "That
[18:16] is the loudest truck I have ever heard."
[18:19] Well, about 4 seconds later, we
[18:22] discovered it was not a truck. It was an
[18:24] Air Force Reserve fighter jet at treetop
[18:27] level who covered the entire lake wood
[18:30] line heading towards Melon. And my
[18:33] fishing partner actually covered his
[18:35] ears that that sound was so loud. Um,
[18:39] I know they've done this in the past,
[18:42] but uh, maybe we should let our county
[18:44] residents know there's no war going on
[18:46] yet, but um, when the fighter jets are
[18:49] training, they they like the Pinocchi
[18:51] Range and that area between Melon and
[18:54] Clam Lake. I've seen them on other areas
[18:57] over there in the past. Uh, um, but I'm
[19:01] sure that would shock some people
[19:03] because he was at the treetop level when
[19:05] he came over. Um, so maybe maybe we
[19:10] could use that as economic development
[19:12] and tell people, hey, the Air Force is
[19:14] using our area as a training ground.
[19:16] Come and see it.
[19:19] I'm not taking that into transportation.
[19:21] Thank you.
[19:24] Right.
[19:26] So hopefully, I mean, I don't know if
[19:29] everybody's gone through and reviewed
[19:31] the 2016 comprehensive plan, but
[19:34] hopefully we've all read through the
[19:36] sections related to our elements. I
[19:39] mean, I was impressed. I think it's a
[19:40] pretty good pretty well done, frankly.
[19:43] So, really happy with that. Any other
[19:46] comments or thoughts on the subcommittee
[19:49] work?
[19:52] Okay. Um then if not we'll move on to
[19:55] the next item
[19:58] which is discussion of communication
[20:01] vehicles. Oh I'm sorry Pat. Just as a I
[20:05] don't know observation or question that
[20:07] permeates a few things is if you want to
[20:09] go back that previous screen you were
[20:10] on. We've got this divvied up in an
[20:13] order
[20:15] that each of us have an interest in the
[20:17] topic presume believe that we're doing
[20:19] and yet um
[20:22] you know like for what I have a forestry
[20:24] and natural resources in the elements
[20:26] that we have to meet for the comp plan
[20:28] there's the cultural piece that split
[20:32] Liz has that and so as we go through
[20:34] this stuff you know it's one thing to
[20:36] say here's the elements that are
[20:37] required but then as we go through this
[20:39] planning process
[20:41] I have part of um
[20:45] one of these categories and then Liz has
[20:47] another part of it. So just so that we
[20:49] figure out how we're going to divvy that
[20:51] up or or how the meetings are
[20:53] coordinated or data gathered or
[20:55] separated and all of that just kind of a
[20:58] procedural thing as we encounter it.
[21:02] Other thoughts on that subject? Uh so
[21:08] the reason I proposed and got you
[21:12] convinced you to maybe go along with me
[21:15] on this organization was for our data
[21:18] collection purposes
[21:20] because the the cultural elements that
[21:22] go with cultural facilities as kind of a
[21:25] natural or who you're going to talk to
[21:27] and where you're going to get
[21:28] information and the natural resources
[21:31] elements
[21:32] that relate to that are really kind of
[21:36] related to forestry and agriculture. So
[21:38] my suggestion what I'll do for like
[21:41] transportation and utilities I probably
[21:42] going to segregate it into two sections
[21:45] of my analysis and that's what I would
[21:48] suggest for you know for cultural
[21:51] resources and community facilities. I
[21:53] would divide my analysis into two
[21:56] sections. So you've got the cultural
[21:58] resources section and the community
[22:00] facilities section. you're talking to
[22:02] the same people pretty much. And so
[22:04] that's easily just when we have to map
[22:07] it into the actual final comprehensive
[22:10] plan just you can take the cultural
[22:12] resources and if Pat has segregated
[22:15] agricultural forestry and natural
[22:17] resources into segments of his work you
[22:19] can take combine natural resources and
[22:21] cultural resources and map it into the
[22:24] the formatting that's prescribed uh by
[22:27] the statute. But the reason I proposed
[22:29] doing it this way was for our collection
[22:32] of information and and when and working
[22:34] with people because
[22:37] you know there's a big difference
[22:38] between forestry and
[22:41] cultural resources or between community
[22:44] facilities and utilities. So that's
[22:48] that's my approach to a pet. Yeah. Could
[22:52] you go to um page five of that file? Um,
[22:57] it's page five on the PDF. Um, so I
[23:01] think we're scrolling.
[23:04] Yeah, if you want to scroll down.
[23:09] I may have not or let's see. I'm on the
[23:13] I'm on the consolidated draft file.
[23:17] Okay. You'd have to go down.
[23:20] Well, yeah, but but if
[23:25] Yeah, but but that's
[23:29] trying to clarify what I was trying to
[23:31] point. So, right there, just because
[23:33] they're together. So, we've got focus
[23:35] groups and we've got list one through
[23:38] seven of how we've divvied it up and
[23:43] then below that it says these focus
[23:44] groups will and then you've got this
[23:47] other order. And just as we proceed
[23:50] through all of this stuff, we've got are
[23:52] we having focus groups for both of those
[23:55] things? One through seven the first set
[23:57] and one through seven the second set or
[23:59] are we doing something different? No,
[24:01] our focus groups are only the first set
[24:04] and then if so if a has if you're if
[24:08] focus group number four is segmented
[24:11] between agriculture, forestry and
[24:13] natural resources and focus group number
[24:16] five is segmented between n cultural
[24:18] resources community facilities. Then you
[24:21] can just take the natural resources
[24:23] segment from four and the cultural
[24:25] resources segment from five and slide it
[24:28] down into the agricultural, natural, and
[24:31] cultural resources element that's going
[24:34] to be in the public's plan. So as we go
[24:36] through meetings and stuff, um, we're
[24:40] organizing those based on the first set
[24:42] of one through sevens as opposed to the
[24:44] second. So as far as am I going to go to
[24:47] this meeting or that one, is it part of
[24:48] my category? Not. something and and Liz
[24:51] I want to ask you this question
[24:54] in the second set of one through seven
[24:56] it's got a natural and cultural
[24:58] resources
[25:00] and I can't help but think
[25:03] about bad river
[25:08] and how natural and cultural resources
[25:10] tied together for them in a particularly
[25:15] important and strong ways and more
[25:17] history than they do lots others. I have
[25:20] some concern that unless we're careful,
[25:22] we're going to lose that connection of
[25:25] the natural and cultural resources, that
[25:26] interplay, that inter relationship,
[25:28] interconnection that's so important to
[25:31] Bad River if we're not being careful.
[25:33] Um, but if these are the state
[25:35] guidelines, they may not have been
[25:36] thinking about that. But for us, I think
[25:39] it's really important
[25:41] that we pay close attention to that. And
[25:43] it would be easy for us to miss if we're
[25:46] not careful. Listen. Well, I thought
[25:49] that it would be a good idea just for um
[25:52] to attach a memo to them and you know at
[25:57] their Bad River tribal meetings they
[25:59] could put a planning committee aspect
[26:02] and attach natural resources and
[26:05] cultural resources as part of it.
[26:10] Other comments, discussion? Um, I still
[26:14] don't think I'm fully understanding how
[26:17] um a county plan inter
[26:20] engages and interacts with a sovereign
[26:23] nation
[26:25] because it seems like a lot of the
[26:27] cultural sites might be on the
[26:28] reservation and so we're not really
[26:32] doing a visionary plan for the
[26:35] reservation.
[26:37] I mean, I just want to get my mind
[26:39] around how those two integrate. Like Bad
[26:42] River is its own nation, so that has its
[26:45] own plans. If the cultural sites are on
[26:48] the res, then the Ashlin County is not
[26:51] necessarily responsible for tribal
[26:54] cultural, but it might be other things.
[26:58] Is is that am I I don't know. It's
[26:59] always been a question for me because it
[27:02] came up with the natural resources
[27:04] committee. You know, we were talking a
[27:05] lot about how to protect the res and
[27:07] what the reservation is doing and it's
[27:09] not really the county's jurisdiction
[27:12] under this plan. So, I just maybe
[27:14] regional planning can help with that. If
[27:18] I can have permission to speak, I can
[27:20] answer these questions.
[27:22] Speaking please, Mary Joe. Mary Joe. Um,
[27:27] so the the agriculture, cultural, and
[27:30] natural resources section is all one
[27:33] section of the comprehensive plan. And
[27:36] I'm working on this with the town of
[27:38] Moringo right now. Like that section
[27:40] alone is 42 pages. So individually
[27:44] you're focusing countywide on what are
[27:47] the natural resources of the county like
[27:50] what are the water water resources what
[27:53] are the threatened and endangered
[27:54] species
[27:56] um what are land preservation areas um
[28:00] environmental corridors
[28:02] and then for the natural resource
[28:04] section you similarly identify things
[28:09] and then for the cultural resources you
[28:11] identify by culturally what's
[28:14] significant across the county. So
[28:17] architecture, historic buildings,
[28:20] archaeological sites, and the Bad River
[28:23] Band of Chippoa would fall into that as
[28:27] a cultural site.
[28:30] So, you're identifying these places and
[28:33] you would provide information about
[28:35] them, but you're not necessarily
[28:38] developing goals or activities
[28:41] associated with those individual areas.
[28:46] And then furthermore, for the
[28:47] agriculture, cultural, and natural
[28:49] resource section of the plan, we're
[28:52] going to identify goals and activities
[28:56] for each of those that are important.
[29:00] So, natural resources, what are our
[29:02] goals for natural resources countywide?
[29:06] And we would look at the current plan
[29:08] and we would answer from the current
[29:11] plan from 2016, what were those goals
[29:14] and activities? and have they been
[29:15] accomplished and are still are they
[29:17] still irrelevant? And then we would
[29:20] develop any new activities that we see
[29:22] fit for the next plan period. Same thing
[29:26] with cultural resources
[29:28] like for the town of Moringo, which
[29:30] we're going through right now, the main
[29:33] goal is to promote and preserve the
[29:35] town's cultural resource base. So then
[29:39] there's a couple activities associated
[29:41] with that. But for the county plan, we
[29:44] would be asking ourselves culturally
[29:46] what's important across the whole
[29:48] county, whether it's archaeological
[29:50] sites, historic sites, and then how do
[29:54] we want to promote the preservation or
[29:57] restoration or protection of those
[30:00] things.
[30:02] So hopefully that answered some of the
[30:04] question. Um, and if anyone has any
[30:07] questions, I can try to answer.
[30:09] Alissa.
[30:12] So, we know that Bad Rivers quote
[30:15] property is part of Ashlin County and I
[30:19] just want to verify like with a tribe or
[30:21] natural or regional planning how to deal
[30:25] with that as a sovereign nation because
[30:27] if we're saying that the county will
[30:30] write goals and objectives and actions
[30:32] for
[30:34] natural resources that are within a
[30:36] reservation, which is a federally
[30:38] designated boundary for a sovereign
[30:40] nation, then they need to be a lot more
[30:43] deeply involved in this whole process.
[30:47] But I don't think we have any goals or
[30:50] actions in the plan right now. I think
[30:52] there's only one in the current plan
[30:55] that says something specifically about
[30:58] Bad River. Um because we have no
[31:00] jurisdiction over them. We we could
[31:02] write an action in here a natural
[31:04] resource. Those you should do this with
[31:05] the sloo or whatever we want it. But
[31:07] there that's it's like saying to Canada.
[31:11] So I just I'm just as we keep going
[31:13] forward just how do we acknowledge the
[31:17] difference between the two governmental
[31:19] entities.
[31:22] Liz, that's why I think that the tribe
[31:25] should be involved in this and you know
[31:28] we're not telling them you know what to
[31:30] do. They're going to give us guidance
[31:32] and what we should do. And just like
[31:35] Mary Joe said about archaeology or
[31:38] architecture or any natural resources,
[31:42] they will, you know, guide us through
[31:45] what they they know about natural
[31:49] resources, endangered species, how to
[31:52] protect those um environmental things,
[31:55] too.
[31:57] Yeah. in our plan. I mean, we're not
[31:59] making goals and activities for the
[32:02] reservation, but we could recognize like
[32:05] we understand that the Kagan and Bad
[32:07] River Slooh's are uh international
[32:10] significant wetland and we promote
[32:13] supporting high water quality there.
[32:16] Like it could be things where you
[32:18] recognize the significance and we're in
[32:21] support of the protection of that but we
[32:26] would not actually be developing
[32:28] activities to implement on the tribal
[32:31] lands.
[32:33] Erica
[32:36] Mary Joe said perfectly what I was going
[32:38] to say. So that is not we should keep
[32:42] our language so that we understand
[32:44] there's two parts to the plan. One is a
[32:45] background session section which is
[32:48] descriptive and talking about the assets
[32:50] on in the county which you could say bad
[32:53] river sloo blah blah blah part two where
[32:56] all of this work that we're doing I
[32:58] think is in um all of these work groups
[33:02] are set up for part two which is goals
[33:04] objectives and actions. So, we should be
[33:08] like
[33:10] intentional about when we're talking
[33:11] about the tribe, what we're how we're
[33:14] engaging them in what part of the plan
[33:16] because they really don't have um
[33:20] and we work with Bad River all the time.
[33:22] I mean as as well while Mary Joe was on
[33:24] the natural resources and the egg work
[33:26] group and we had Bad River people there,
[33:28] but we were being really clear that the
[33:31] goals and objectives of part two were
[33:33] not um engaged with Bad River unless we
[33:36] said work with Bad River as a as a
[33:39] partner, but that all of this work that
[33:42] we're talking about to describe natural
[33:43] resources or archaeological sites um
[33:47] that's all in part one. It's just
[33:49] descriptive. And then still we should be
[33:51] working as I'm sure regional planning
[33:53] will understand really deeply with like
[33:55] their typo office for the cultural
[33:57] resources and a lot of that information
[34:00] is not shared with the public but at
[34:02] least they would say a list here's our
[34:05] historically relevant sites like the
[34:08] cemetery or the pawa grounds or
[34:09] something. So, I'm just trying to figure
[34:12] out our language so that we're working
[34:15] as good neighbors with the tribe, but
[34:17] not like setting expectations or
[34:18] stepping into things that aren't our
[34:20] jurisdiction.
[34:22] Any other comments or discussion?
[34:25] Uh Pat,
[34:28] part of Bad River is owned by folks that
[34:30] aren't members of Bad River, which is a
[34:33] whole another layer of making it
[34:34] interesting. But the comp plan
[34:39] um
[34:43] doesn't give us authority to do
[34:45] everything that we might like to do
[34:46] within all of the boundaries of Ashlin
[34:48] County. The city of Ashton, for example,
[34:50] controls their zoning. We don't. you
[34:53] know, the city of Melon is going to make
[34:54] decisions on what they choose to do. Uh
[34:56] people with wooded and farmland are
[34:59] going to make decisions that uh they
[35:01] choose given that they have the property
[35:04] right. So on every
[35:06] square inch of Ashlin County,
[35:09] somebody else has some authority to make
[35:12] some decisions and ours is limited. So,
[35:14] as we go through this, we always have to
[35:16] bear in mind, you know, what do we have
[35:19] authority to do as a county and what
[35:22] don't we? And it varies
[35:25] where we're at in the county and
[35:26] certainly varies with Bad River, but it
[35:28] varies with the city of Aston and
[35:30] everywhere else, too. And so that's why,
[35:33] you know, it's a plan and we work
[35:35] towards, but it's always going to take
[35:37] cooperation and decisions by others to
[35:40] change anything that the majority or the
[35:42] owners perceive to be a positive change.
[35:45] So when I read the comp plan for the
[35:48] township I own land in, it's, you know,
[35:50] I can tell who some of the people were
[35:52] that wrote it or involved in it and I
[35:54] really like it. But then I look around
[35:57] and you know we all own our own land and
[35:59] people clearly make different decisions
[36:01] on what they do or don't do. And and
[36:03] that reminds me that plans can be very
[36:06] good but it still takes the individual
[36:09] property owners to decide that they want
[36:11] to engage in what's in the plan.
[36:15] And
[36:17] other comments I would add that um I
[36:21] think there's one section where
[36:24] vision goals and objectives will
[36:26] actually be really important and that'll
[36:28] be into intergovernmental relations. So
[36:31] our vision of how we're working for
[36:33] instance with Bad River or the city of
[36:35] Melon or the National Forest Service is
[36:38] part of what we have to think about what
[36:40] what our vision is. We can't set the
[36:42] goals and objectives for the National
[36:44] Forest Service, but we can think about
[36:46] how we want to work together with them.
[36:49] Any other comments on the uh
[36:52] subcommittee status reports item 5B?
[36:56] If not, we move on to item 5C, which is
[37:01] discussion of communications, vehicles,
[37:05] shared drive for planning documents,
[37:07] websites, email, social media,
[37:10] electronic surveys.
[37:12] I think we're not fully clear on our
[37:17] communication strategies
[37:19] and I'm deeply concerned that we not get
[37:23] our communications tangled in a mess.
[37:27] So thoughts, comments,
[37:30] insights, wisdom, anybody
[37:34] that
[37:36] I guess one big picture thought is that
[37:38] this committee is a standing committee
[37:41] and not an ad hoc committee. Most
[37:43] counties would have an ad hoc committee,
[37:45] which means you do your work, you're
[37:46] finished, you're done. Um, we chose to
[37:48] make it a standing committee as a board
[37:51] so that things related to climate change
[37:53] in particular, we had more flexibility
[37:55] to um, look at things over a 10-year
[37:58] period and decide we want to make some
[38:00] changes because the world really seems
[38:01] to change faster than it used to. So, it
[38:04] gives us more flexibility. So in terms
[38:05] of the communications it would be just
[38:08] that as things are put online you know
[38:10] for example a website where people could
[38:12] add comments that we state those things
[38:14] in a way that um indicates this is
[38:18] ongoing collecting feedback information
[38:20] suggestions whatever versus here's a
[38:23] deadline and after that you know we're
[38:26] done because it's a standing not an ad
[38:29] hoc. just that we bear that in mind as
[38:31] we consider language as we collect
[38:33] stuff.
[38:36] Other other comments or discussion?
[38:39] Erica, do you have um a sense of where
[38:41] we stand on things like um a website for
[38:46] or a central location for information?
[38:50] What's your view on that? And then I'll
[38:51] come to Lisa actually I think on the
[38:53] same question. I have not checked out
[38:56] the website which I think was created
[39:00] right by Rachel. Did Rachel set up a
[39:02] website and then add the email to it?
[39:05] But the website really only has
[39:08] the previous
[39:11] comp plan, the plan from 2016 on it. So
[39:15] that's the sort of public-f facing
[39:18] repository
[39:19] of information I think that we have
[39:23] planned going forward although I don't
[39:25] think it's fully um fleshed out yet.
[39:30] the other. So, it's not a website, but
[39:32] it's on SharePoint that I think we
[39:35] should perhaps talk about and maybe use
[39:40] a little more because I think that it's
[39:42] perhaps only Dan and myself that are
[39:44] adding documents to it right now. um is
[39:48] that on SharePoint under AC County
[39:51] Administration and then documents,
[39:55] Dan and I have been uploading the
[39:59] municipality comp plans, uh population
[40:03] projections through 2050,
[40:06] any other public input that we've
[40:08] received,
[40:10] all of the county department feedback
[40:12] and documents that I've received um from
[40:16] the the two question survey um that we
[40:20] distributed.
[40:22] So that place is I think the one
[40:27] clearing house for us that will be
[40:30] continue to be very useful if we can I
[40:34] will do my best I think it's pretty well
[40:36] organized right now like within folders
[40:38] and subfolders so that people can have a
[40:41] flow of where things go. Um,
[40:46] I am
[40:48] not aware if anybody else has editorial
[40:51] capabilities on that if you can upload
[40:54] things because I think Dan had to ask
[40:57] Rachel to add me to have it on there.
[41:01] But George, were you able to access
[41:04] those things? Okay. So, regarding
[41:06] SharePoint, so Erica sent me a link.
[41:09] Yeah. this last week and I tried to use
[41:11] that link and I totally failed
[41:15] and I I had to reset my password and
[41:18] then my password would reset and then I
[41:21] couldn't get my email for a couple of
[41:23] days and then finally Rachel helped me
[41:26] get it all straightened out but it took
[41:28] her a long time to figure out. So,
[41:31] because many of us aren't very familiar
[41:33] with these tablet computers and with the
[41:37] particular software,
[41:39] um I think we need to if we're going to
[41:42] use a resource, we're going to have to
[41:43] train ourselves about how to use it. So,
[41:46] um Brad, did you have an experience?
[41:47] Yeah. Well, February 5th, Rachel sent
[41:50] the SharePoint and I tried then and I
[41:53] just tried again and I had the same
[41:55] issue. It says it's my password is not
[41:57] valid and yet that's my password. So, I
[41:59] don't want to reset because I need to
[42:01] get into my email. But, right. So, there
[42:03] must be some other password that was a
[42:06] tied that isn't tied to anything I'm
[42:09] using here. Um, but it should be the
[42:12] thing is is it's Microsoft Office, so it
[42:14] should be the same thing as the Outlook
[42:15] and I can log into Outlook, but I can't
[42:17] log into the SharePoint. So, I don't
[42:19] know if it's a security setting on not
[42:21] being on the same network, but I'm in
[42:23] here. I'm on the same network. It should
[42:25] work. But I'm guessing it's a
[42:27] permissions thing and I'm in here now
[42:30] and it's not offering me the capability
[42:32] of giving permissions to anyone else. So
[42:35] I think that it's probably Rachel that
[42:37] controls those permissions.
[42:39] Um I can definitely talk to her and make
[42:42] sure all committee members are added and
[42:44] have editorial access to it. Is Alissa
[42:48] is that for the committee access or is
[42:52] there a public facing website there?
[42:55] There were two things we've talked
[42:57] about. So the first was the public
[42:58] facing website that Rachel set up. This
[43:01] SharePoint is only for committee access.
[43:04] Oh, and there I did get in. You did get
[43:06] in. Just got me in. Weird. I just
[43:11] but it must be a network thing that when
[43:13] I'm at home you can't get I wasn't able
[43:16] to interesting
[43:19] okay though the the public facing
[43:22] part is on the county website yes under
[43:26] planning committee easy to access that
[43:28] seem to works just fine and we'll have
[43:30] to decide what we want to put on there
[43:34] I'm wondering if we want to put our
[43:37] meeting minutes when they are approved.
[43:40] Uh the meeting minutes are accessible
[43:41] through the calendar, but it might be
[43:44] useful to folks to be able to go to that
[43:46] one place and see the the series of
[43:49] proceedings through the minutes
[43:51] meetings. Could we do that,
[43:53] Karisha? I could definitely look into
[43:55] that. Okay, Karisha will look into that.
[43:58] Thank you very much. Um other discussion
[44:02] on our communications, surveys, media,
[44:06] etc. Melissa, do you have observations?
[44:11] Well,
[44:13] I wasn't sure what the difference was be
[44:16] between C and D.
[44:19] Um because it seemed like C those were
[44:22] all tools that you would use in a public
[44:25] participation plan. Um my main thought
[44:29] on both C and D is I have no
[44:31] understanding yet of who does what. Um,
[44:35] the most recent thing I have is, um, I
[44:38] think regional planning might have used
[44:41] Bernett County's template for a public
[44:43] participation and then they crossed out
[44:46] different things that weren't relevant
[44:47] to Ash County,
[44:49] but it doesn't say anything about who
[44:51] does what or anything. So before I would
[44:54] ever like approve a participation plan
[44:57] would be like what are the um exact
[45:01] tools some sort of timeline and who's
[45:04] doing what
[45:07] you know extension does a lot of
[45:09] outreach already on this so we're happy
[45:11] to help but I'm not sure if um like
[45:15] regional planning are they the
[45:18] out outer voice for the group do you
[45:21] know what I mean are they uh voice. So,
[45:24] they're doing a survey and they're doing
[45:26] a newsletter and they're keeping your
[45:27] website. I don't know. I just it feels
[45:29] like there needs to be a lot more
[45:31] details.
[45:32] I 100% agree. Especially if you're
[45:36] getting comments from the public or
[45:38] questions, there has to be a clearing
[45:40] house for someone to be able to respond
[45:42] or to gather and keep that information
[45:45] together.
[45:48] But that was what the email is for,
[45:50] right? that Rachel did set up and is on
[45:52] the website, right? But originally that
[45:56] request for that email came from me
[45:59] because we have six different educators
[46:01] and we're trying to just like if there's
[46:03] public comments, people are like, I
[46:05] don't know who to talk to at UW. So go
[46:07] to outreach extension and you can put it
[46:10] in there. It'll come to me and my
[46:12] director and then we'll um farm the
[46:15] question out. that turned into a um
[46:19] could we use that also for the comp
[46:22] plan. However, um Rachel then nixed the
[46:25] whole idea on it for extension and she
[46:29] asked extension to get their own email.
[46:32] So then that email address went back to
[46:35] Dan and the last I heard was Dan and um
[46:40] I think George and maybe you Erica get
[46:43] that to you. it gets forwarded to you
[46:45] and I'm out of the picture. Extensions
[46:46] out of that picture. We're going to get
[46:48] our own general outreach email.
[46:52] So, I'm not seeing anything yet. Rachel
[46:57] just said, "Yeah, we'll use it for the
[46:59] county employees because it's an Ashlin
[47:02] County email address."
[47:04] Is that making sense?
[47:07] Started out UW, now it's all county. So
[47:10] there is an email address that's about
[47:12] the plan that George and I and Dan have
[47:15] access to. I don't know if Eric I don't
[47:17] I don't but so there is an email and
[47:20] that's what's on the website so that
[47:22] people can submit comments about the
[47:24] plan to that email address with with the
[47:27] word extensions not in it. The word
[47:29] extension is not in it. Okay. The email
[47:31] address is
[47:34] um
[47:37] I got to find it here.
[47:42] So then who actually consolidates those
[47:45] comments and where do they go?
[47:49] So on the
[47:52] um
[47:56] there was a bunch of emails. Did I end
[47:57] up deleting it
[48:00] for when I got back? But uh the email
[48:04] was supposed to say or anybody that
[48:07] direct was directed to the email. It's
[48:09] supposed to say if you want specific
[48:11] response, please acknowledge that you
[48:14] want a response in the email. Otherwise,
[48:16] it's just comments and they're going to
[48:18] uh coalate and George and I will um have
[48:22] access to those and can be able to divvy
[48:25] them up wherever they need to go um
[48:27] based off those subcommittees. I'm
[48:30] looking for where that be.
[48:34] Okay, allow me to say that um at this
[48:36] point discussion item C is simply about
[48:39] tools. We're only talking about tools
[48:42] that we would want to be able to deploy
[48:47] in service of our engagement with the
[48:49] public. We haven't invited engagement
[48:52] with the public other than to attend
[48:53] these meetings which was made in the
[48:55] public announcement.
[48:57] And when we know how a website would
[49:00] work or how surveys would actually work,
[49:03] then we can issue invitations for public
[49:06] participation and we will have to have
[49:09] have decided how we will manage their
[49:12] input in those in instances. So, so to
[49:15] make it even more confusing for you,
[49:17] Lisa, the email is extension info
[49:22] wisconsin.gov. I'm glad it's coming up
[49:24] again because it it is a tangled web and
[49:28] we wanted something different and then
[49:30] we thought, oh, we'll use the same one,
[49:32] but it it needs to be like probably
[49:35] should have it like comp comprehensive
[49:37] planning at with SC at Ashlin County.
[49:41] Exactly. Is it that's what I want. It
[49:43] might need to be something changed on
[49:46] that email address. It hasn't nobody's
[49:48] been used. It's out. Was it in the uh
[49:51] George, was that email address in the uh
[49:55] It's not the public notice that went
[49:57] out? It's not anywhere right now. So, I
[50:00] I'll take to action item to ask Rachel
[50:02] to adjust the name on the email. Yeah.
[50:04] Okay. Love it, Liz. Thank you. On our
[50:07] county website, can the folks of the
[50:11] community go on there and see an update
[50:15] or anything that we're doing with the
[50:17] comprehensive plan?
[50:20] Not yet. So the first step toward that
[50:22] would be to post our minutes of our
[50:23] meetings to that website. Right now the
[50:26] only things there is a copy of the 2016
[50:28] comprehensive plan which is a great
[50:30] foundation if people want to understand
[50:32] what we're talking about. Also people
[50:35] are so addicted to social media. Um, is
[50:38] there any way that we could have a a
[50:42] site that they could use to have
[50:47] information but not to comment because
[50:49] the comments would be crazy.
[50:52] There would be too many and nobody would
[50:55] be able to answer them. But like
[50:56] aformational
[50:58] Facebook site.
[51:01] Thoughts on that?
[51:04] We I use Facebook for work extensionally
[51:08] extensively extensionally.
[51:10] [Laughter]
[51:13] Not enough coffee today. Um and and so
[51:17] my the way I set my page up, I can share
[51:19] and people can take stuff and share it.
[51:22] But I agree with you. Um
[51:25] the question about a Facebook page is
[51:27] who who runs it? Like who posts? And
[51:30] then I I know it's supposed to be an
[51:33] interactive page because the whole thing
[51:35] is built on public input, you know, to
[51:38] drive the future of the county. And
[51:41] people are weird. They say the strangest
[51:44] things. I I don't know how if you could
[51:46] cut off count comments that would be
[51:49] almost anti- Facebook, but somebody
[51:52] needs to be the carrier or the keeper of
[51:55] that and then either um cut people off
[51:57] if they're getting mad or, you know, um
[52:01] give factual information. You need a
[52:03] keeper. Yes, for sure. Yeah. I don't
[52:06] think the county has a site. I know like
[52:09] we have land conservation has a site and
[52:12] I think there is a couple other
[52:14] departments that might have a site but I
[52:16] don't think there's actually a county
[52:18] site. Does anyone There isn't. There's
[52:20] not. There isn't. What are you referring
[52:21] to, Mary Joe? What do you mean by site?
[52:24] A a social media site, Facebook or any
[52:28] other social media. Okay. Thanks. Yeah.
[52:31] And I would just say that I think we
[52:34] avoid it. Um,
[52:38] even with comments off, it's like I I
[52:41] don't know. I don't use any social
[52:42] media, so I don't know, maybe I'm a bad
[52:44] example, but I think it's just uh
[52:48] it it's it's just uh creates headaches
[52:51] and we set it up and then there it's not
[52:54] updated and then it I think a web page
[52:56] is better and we direct them to a web
[52:58] page that we can say, "Hey, Rachel, can
[53:00] you update?" or it at least has
[53:02] something on there. It's recent. You
[53:04] know, it's I think that's my feeling is
[53:06] I don't think social media is maybe I'm
[53:08] wrong. I'm might be the youngest person
[53:11] in here and I'm not on social media so
[53:13] maybe I'm the wrong but I
[53:16] Yeah, it's I I agree the website would
[53:19] be great. I mean I I You have your mic
[53:23] on for a reason. Um just memory
[53:26] problems. Oh, okay. Um I think my
[53:30] observation would be let me make this
[53:32] one comment that um I think social media
[53:35] could be very useful in in inviting
[53:37] people to make a comment in a different
[53:40] like on the county website or to submit
[53:42] something to a central location so that
[53:44] we're not scattered. But so for issuing
[53:45] an invitation useful PR but for
[53:48] collecting information probably too
[53:50] complicated. Uh yeah, Erica, I would
[53:54] just say that yeah, if we're issuing
[53:56] invitations to come and speak or to like
[54:00] post, you know, the basics of an agenda
[54:03] or what might it be, I think it probably
[54:05] should go on the Ashlin County Extension
[54:07] site if there's because there's no other
[54:10] like we we we can't start a social media
[54:12] campaign from scratch
[54:15] without sufficient
[54:17] leverage behind it to actually get
[54:19] people to add to their feed. But
[54:23] extension Ashlin County already has a
[54:25] few thousand. It's not a lot, but it's I
[54:28] mean it's enough and then it's sharable
[54:30] and then people can come. But yeah, I
[54:33] mean I don't think we invite feedback
[54:37] about things on Facebook because it's
[54:39] not an official county space. Instead,
[54:43] we invite feedback at the meetings where
[54:45] where it's captured.
[54:48] Makes sense to me. Elissa, would would
[54:50] that be viable? I promote a lot of
[54:54] Ashlin County groups and businesses and
[54:58] farmers by just merely saying um UW
[55:02] extension works in Ashlin County. Here's
[55:04] a great event to um increase a farm
[55:07] visit, farm tour or the clean sweeps. It
[55:10] was the third list. We did a survey at
[55:12] the clean sweeps. It was the third
[55:14] listed thing, most popular thing that
[55:16] people got information about clean
[55:17] sweeps. Over 100, 300 people came on
[55:19] Saturday and that was number three after
[55:22] um daily press and um
[55:26] um local newspapers. So, so people do
[55:29] read it. That being said, if the county
[55:31] if you wrote a press release and sent it
[55:34] to me, I would just post it and say,
[55:36] "Here's news about Ashlin County comp
[55:38] plan. Please share and blah blah blah."
[55:41] you know, so if that Ashlin anybody
[55:44] could do that. You know, League of Women
[55:45] Voters loves to share a lot of stuff and
[55:48] yeah, that that could be done, but I
[55:50] didn't want to be the official Ashlin
[55:52] County Facebook.
[55:55] But sharing stuff, yeah,
[56:00] Pat, so like Brad, I'm not on social
[56:03] media and so far I have refused to be on
[56:06] that. I don't think that's going to
[56:07] change. Um, but it's not lost on me when
[56:10] we look at C there that those are
[56:13] electronic formats and we know from our
[56:15] broadband study a few years ago and you
[56:19] know hopefully we get Norvado to expand
[56:21] here. Um, we have a lot of people
[56:23] without access to broadband and so if
[56:27] we're not careful we're not we're going
[56:29] to end up with a biased sample on who we
[56:32] contact. So yes, we can contact people,
[56:34] you know, through extension and get
[56:35] some, but unless we do enough things to
[56:38] get a representative sample of people in
[56:41] the county, you know, we could end up
[56:43] with a bias. Um, so we could add maybe
[56:48] we print something and send it out. Um,
[56:54] with the tax bill, for example, we're
[56:56] mailing anyway. The city of Abselum has
[56:59] over the years added more things when
[57:02] they mail out the tax bill than they
[57:03] used to. And that might be just a
[57:06] paragraph in there, you know, a fourth
[57:08] of a sheet or whatever to add that when
[57:11] the tax bill goes out. And the timing
[57:12] would actually be pretty good as far as,
[57:15] you know, when people get that. And then
[57:17] we know we're covering
[57:19] a large number of people,
[57:23] you know, but it'd have to get out to
[57:25] every, you know, body with those tax
[57:27] bills.
[57:30] Other comments on this agenda item?
[57:33] If not, we'll move on to the next one
[57:35] which is 5D
[57:38] review and approval of participation
[57:40] plan. And I made a note on my copy here
[57:44] and this my note is that um
[57:48] we can vote to approve this plan as it
[57:51] is been adjusted
[57:54] and it those of us who vote in favor of
[57:56] it then have a right of moving for
[57:58] reconsideration.
[58:01] So then we could it can be moved for
[58:04] reconsideration at our next meeting. And
[58:07] so we won't be locked in completely if
[58:10] we approve this plan today, but we'll at
[58:12] least have a um a guideline to go
[58:14] forward. Um my view of the of the
[58:18] participation plan is one, it's required
[58:21] by the statute. Uh two, that this meets
[58:24] all the statutory requirements.
[58:27] uh we don't know have to need to know
[58:29] exactly who is doing which piece of this
[58:32] or which tools we're using more or less.
[58:35] That's not required. So we can meet the
[58:37] requirement of having an actual
[58:39] participation plan in place if we would
[58:42] like to approve this today. We might
[58:44] not. I did most of the work on just
[58:47] there's a lot of superolous background
[58:50] information into the Bernett County
[58:52] plan. We don't need to know the history
[58:54] of why the law requires us to do this.
[58:57] We just to know what have to say what we
[58:59] plan to do. And so that's the markup and
[59:03] I invite discussion and comment and see
[59:05] if we want to do anything with this bet.
[59:06] So if we approve this today, would the
[59:08] next version that we look at have all of
[59:10] this crossed out language out and then
[59:12] what would amount to a clean copy or
[59:15] would you bring back the same document
[59:17] or or both? There is a clean copy in the
[59:20] consolidated draft. It's the clean copy
[59:22] already. But would
[59:25] But would you Yeah. But would you only
[59:27] be bringing back the clean copy or would
[59:29] you be bringing
[59:33] You can bring back both copies when
[59:34] you're doing reconsideration there. The
[59:36] two copies have exactly the same
[59:38] wording. One's just not showing the
[59:40] deletions and one is showing the
[59:41] deletions.
[59:43] I mean, those those two
[59:46] versions are exactly the same. Yeah. As
[59:49] I kept reading, I thought, "Oh,
[59:53] it was it was redundant." I'll just say
[59:56] that. Um, anyway, I just want clarity.
[59:59] If we bring it back for reconsideration,
[1:00:01] are you talking about the entire file or
[1:00:03] are we proposing only the clean copy?
[1:00:07] Oh, so if we vote to approve this, we're
[1:00:09] voting to approve the clean copy because
[1:00:13] if you voted to approve the markedup
[1:00:15] copy, you would be approving
[1:00:18] all those deletions that are in the
[1:00:20] markedup copy. So, it amounts to exactly
[1:00:22] the same thing. Yeah, I see what he's
[1:00:23] saying. Exactly the same thing. Yeah. I
[1:00:26] didn't realize until I had waited
[1:00:27] through everything. Sorry. And um just
[1:00:29] for anybody else in case a meeting from
[1:00:32] now they decide to read things and then
[1:00:34] realizing
[1:00:39] other
[1:00:43] um do I are you um do we have to have um
[1:00:50] a plan that meets the minimum
[1:00:52] requirements of law like in place right
[1:00:54] now for any reason?
[1:00:56] Is there we should just Erica, you maybe
[1:01:00] have a little bit better understanding
[1:01:02] than I do about that. The um the
[1:01:05] timeline that Northwest Regional sent us
[1:01:08] said that we should have a plan in place
[1:01:11] this month, a public participation plan.
[1:01:15] Okay. Yeah.
[1:01:17] So then you know if with that if there's
[1:01:20] a caveat that says this is an organic
[1:01:23] document that we will be finding new
[1:01:26] ways then you can change it and adopt
[1:01:30] it. They want this is the minimum that
[1:01:32] means you're um qualified or whatever.
[1:01:36] Um, but we there's other things.
[1:01:40] I still am unsettled with a
[1:01:43] communication plan where it doesn't say
[1:01:44] when things are happening or who's doing
[1:01:46] it. But if this fits the law and the law
[1:01:48] doesn't say you better say when you're
[1:01:49] going to do it and who's doing it, then
[1:01:51] this would suffice. But knowing that
[1:01:53] this is an organic thing and we're going
[1:01:55] to keep adopting it. I mean, we're going
[1:01:57] to have a radio station on that is
[1:02:00] located in downtown Ashlin by the end of
[1:02:03] this year. So, I would want something at
[1:02:04] some point that says part of our actual
[1:02:07] plan that we're going to enact involves
[1:02:09] radio programming where members of the
[1:02:12] community or this committee come on and
[1:02:14] talk about what we're doing and why it's
[1:02:16] important and that kind of thing. You
[1:02:18] know, if if we can make this adaptable
[1:02:21] and organic and change it as we go,
[1:02:24] cool. Then let's vote for this. Then we
[1:02:26] check off the box for the law. But this
[1:02:30] is not like a plan that's drivable
[1:02:34] yet. Does that make sense? It says right
[1:02:36] it says right in the plan and taken
[1:02:39] right out of the Bernett County plan uh
[1:02:43] that there will be changes that this is
[1:02:46] this is the baseline but there will be
[1:02:48] changes as practical circumstances,
[1:02:51] funding other
[1:02:54] factors uh come about. Yeah. Does that
[1:02:56] answer your question then? Well, I when
[1:03:00] I read this, I had no expectation that
[1:03:02] all the details of how everything would
[1:03:04] happen would get done. This is a plan
[1:03:07] and then the details get fleshed out.
[1:03:10] And obviously, you're right, there's a
[1:03:11] lot of fleshing out to do on the actual
[1:03:13] details that get carried out. Um, but if
[1:03:17] you're looking for a motion to approve
[1:03:19] this and we bring back at the next
[1:03:21] meeting just the clean electronic copy
[1:03:27] so that it's both aren't in there,
[1:03:31] you know, then it's just a clean copy. I
[1:03:34] would make that motion to approve the
[1:03:36] clean copy of the public participation
[1:03:39] plan.
[1:03:45] That's your motion.
[1:03:48] I think that that there already is a
[1:03:50] clean copy, Pat. Do you know that? Well,
[1:03:55] I just don't want to see in the packet
[1:03:56] all the pages with the crossed out stuff
[1:03:59] next time. So that when we put the
[1:04:01] packet in next time, we're only looking
[1:04:03] at the clean copy.
[1:04:08] It's in the packet. It's It's already
[1:04:11] there. If you click on just that one,
[1:04:13] you don't see the other one.
[1:04:16] Right. So the
[1:04:22] No, both versions are in the packet. And
[1:04:24] that's Pat's saying it's confusing
[1:04:26] because both versions are in the packet
[1:04:27] and only wants the one for the next
[1:04:30] meeting. Only the clean copy in the Do
[1:04:32] we need it in the packet that the next
[1:04:34] meeting? Well, George, in case someone
[1:04:36] for reconsideration, if you vote in the
[1:04:38] majority, you can bring it back for
[1:04:39] reconsideration. He wants the
[1:04:41] opportunity for someone to bring it back
[1:04:43] for reconsideration if someone decides
[1:04:45] they want to make some changes at the
[1:04:46] next meeting. And when you bring it back
[1:04:48] for reconsideration, it has to be at the
[1:04:50] very next meeting after it was approved.
[1:04:53] Um otherwise that opportunity lapse
[1:04:56] after the next meeting, right? And
[1:04:58] reconsideration can only be moved by
[1:05:00] someone who voted in favor of the plan
[1:05:02] to begin with. At the next meeting. At
[1:05:04] the next meeting.
[1:05:07] A motion. There's a motion made to
[1:05:10] approve
[1:05:12] uh the Ashlin County comprehensive plan
[1:05:16] for public participation plan as
[1:05:18] presented. Is there a second? I I'll
[1:05:22] second that. There's a second. So now
[1:05:24] for discussion, Erica, do you have a
[1:05:25] comment? There are a few highlighted
[1:05:27] areas in the clean copy around a couple
[1:05:31] of different things like around the
[1:05:32] issue of the email address whether we
[1:05:35] insert postal addresses these sorts of
[1:05:38] things. So I think if and when we bring
[1:05:41] it back perhaps we say you know adopted
[1:05:45] on this state edited and updated on
[1:05:50] whatever later all the later dates that
[1:05:52] we that we do that.
[1:05:54] which sounds fine to me. I mean the that
[1:05:58] email address and
[1:06:00] um postal address are not a legal
[1:06:02] requirement but I they should be in our
[1:06:05] final version and so I think that would
[1:06:07] come back under reconsideration.
[1:06:09] So the one hesitance that I have on this
[1:06:14] plan is that like there's I think seven
[1:06:16] stages. Um and there's basically a
[1:06:19] public meeting in each of those stages
[1:06:22] and we're now
[1:06:26] uh I guess 18 months from needing to
[1:06:28] adopt it. Are we going to be able to
[1:06:30] have at least seven different public
[1:06:33] meetings that address these in this next
[1:06:37] 18 months?
[1:06:39] Well, it's pretty easy to have a public
[1:06:41] meeting. This is this is officially open
[1:06:44] to the public right now. Well, I thought
[1:06:45] there something that there was a time
[1:06:48] frame on the amount of time for noticing
[1:06:50] it. And maybe that was just the hearing
[1:06:53] and not the meeting, but I
[1:06:57] public hearing. The public hearing has
[1:06:59] that and there's only one public
[1:07:00] hearing, I think.
[1:07:02] Um,
[1:07:05] right. There's a public hearing required
[1:07:07] after the the plan has been written in
[1:07:11] its final form or in its preliminary
[1:07:14] final form so the public can object or
[1:07:17] or approve or suggest changes before it
[1:07:20] goes to the accounting board for final
[1:07:22] approval.
[1:07:26] Um I just I don't know what the it for
[1:07:29] the public meetings. It just says uh at
[1:07:32] a minimum the requirements of stat state
[1:07:35] statute 19.31 pertaining to public
[1:07:37] meetings and notification will be met. I
[1:07:39] don't know what the minimum is but
[1:07:41] that's like seven and 30. If it's 30
[1:07:45] days with the minimum public notice on
[1:07:49] that 30 days, seven, we're really
[1:07:51] pushing getting seven meetings in.
[1:07:56] If it's only two, if it's only 10 days
[1:07:59] notice, we can probably get it. But I
[1:08:00] mean, if you're talking seven of the
[1:08:02] months to get I mean, yeah, I guess we
[1:08:04] could do seven months in a row, but
[1:08:06] we're not in those stages then. Mhm.
[1:08:10] So I don't know what state statute 19.31
[1:08:13] mayor Joe requires for Morango. We're
[1:08:16] our comprehensive plan. We meet monthly
[1:08:19] and um the Northwest Regional Planning
[1:08:23] Commission when they get started on
[1:08:24] this, they'll start scheduling those
[1:08:26] meetings and helping to get those
[1:08:29] organized. And then once you come up
[1:08:30] with a draft plan, then that gets posted
[1:08:34] for public review and the public has 30
[1:08:37] days to review it before the final
[1:08:41] hearing and that's where they would
[1:08:42] offer comments or support and that sort
[1:08:45] of thing. But that class one public
[1:08:47] notice is is at the end when you
[1:08:51] actually have something to review and
[1:08:53] they that has to be notified 30 days
[1:08:57] before the public hearing but that's
[1:09:00] only a one-time event.
[1:09:04] But Brad, were you talking about public
[1:09:06] meetings? Public meetings that each
[1:09:08] stage has a public meeting and the
[1:09:10] public hearing is in stage seven. But
[1:09:12] like stage six, it says open house and
[1:09:16] public meeting. That's two events that
[1:09:18] have to be publicly noticed. And I don't
[1:09:20] know what 19.31
[1:09:23] what the minimum. I I just don't want to
[1:09:25] put us in a bind with that. We got to
[1:09:28] like go ahead and notice the first
[1:09:30] meeting when we're not ready for that
[1:09:31] first meeting yet.
[1:09:35] Well, what is are we required to have
[1:09:37] seven meetings? Is that what you're
[1:09:38] saying? that that's what I'm saying is
[1:09:39] do we want each stage to have a public
[1:09:42] meeting as as something that's in here?
[1:09:45] That's what like that seems like maybe a
[1:09:48] lot but maybe I'm but maybe like Mary
[1:09:51] Joe said monthly meetings we just
[1:09:53] schedule them and and then go and we got
[1:09:56] we just hit the seven seven months
[1:09:59] leading into 30 days. Basically what
[1:10:03] will happen is you'll have a meeting
[1:10:05] related to each topic like there'll be a
[1:10:07] meeting for agriculture cultural and
[1:10:09] natural resources and at the meeting
[1:10:12] then Northwest Regional Planning
[1:10:15] Commission would review the background
[1:10:17] elements the maps the items that were in
[1:10:20] the previous plan and then for that
[1:10:23] second piece that Lisa referenced early
[1:10:26] on that's the policy part and that's
[1:10:30] where you would mention the goals goals
[1:10:32] related to agriculture, cultural
[1:10:34] resources and natural resources in the
[1:10:36] previous plan were this and here were
[1:10:40] the activities or the objectives.
[1:10:43] Are these still relevant? What things
[1:10:45] should we cross off and then that's
[1:10:48] where that is the public meeting so
[1:10:51] people could attend that and weigh in.
[1:10:53] Then doing that, we just went from seven
[1:10:56] to 27 or 28. Um maybe even more because
[1:11:02] this this each stage of this plan
[1:11:07] has stage two is data collection and
[1:11:09] analysis. Okay, that's easy. But that
[1:11:11] means seven meetings because we have
[1:11:13] seven sections. And then issue
[1:11:15] identification, that's another seven
[1:11:17] meetings. And then develop goals and
[1:11:20] objective, another seven meetings. And
[1:11:22] then strategy development, another seven
[1:11:24] meetings. And then if we do it by each
[1:11:27] one, I think we want to group them all
[1:11:28] and have meetings. Not we because that's
[1:11:31] a lot of meetings to to to have. If
[1:11:34] we're going to have monthly meetings
[1:11:37] and go through these stages
[1:11:41] um that are listed is
[1:11:44] we that's my concern is the way this is
[1:11:47] listed. It's a lot of meetings depending
[1:11:49] on how we're going to do it.
[1:11:52] I think it will help you get to the
[1:11:54] guidance part from the regional planning
[1:11:56] commission. I agree. We have the scope
[1:11:59] of work from Northwest Regional
[1:12:01] Planning. The timeline listed within the
[1:12:05] last three pages of the scope of work
[1:12:08] lists seven meetings
[1:12:11] and they're calling it steering
[1:12:14] committee meetings, but it's about each
[1:12:17] of those seven sections.
[1:12:20] And I believe this is what they mean by
[1:12:24] open meetings, right? So this meeting is
[1:12:26] an open meeting. And so each of these
[1:12:28] seven things will be talked about in
[1:12:29] this meeting, open to the public. And
[1:12:31] then the last one is actually steering
[1:12:34] committee meeting eight. Consider public
[1:12:38] comment, draft plan finalization,
[1:12:40] approve resolution.
[1:12:42] Um so all of those come together but
[1:12:45] they then they also sorry in public
[1:12:48] meeting seven say month 1213
[1:12:53] um should sort of be our public
[1:12:55] openhouse and discussion around all of
[1:12:59] it
[1:13:01] and that would be your public hearing
[1:13:03] most likely. Right.
[1:13:06] Yes. So, she's exactly correct and
[1:13:09] that's sort of what I was trying to
[1:13:10] describe.
[1:13:13] Other comments or discussion on the
[1:13:16] motion that is on the floor?
[1:13:19] I will add my thought on this section
[1:13:22] that Brad is referring to
[1:13:25] at the end of this uh plan document
[1:13:30] which is public participation plan
[1:13:33] planning stage and adoption process.
[1:13:36] I I take this as a guideline
[1:13:39] uh that some of these things are going
[1:13:41] to happen concurrently. Yeah. Uh
[1:13:45] this is kind of an outline kind of a
[1:13:47] checklist rather than a prescriptive of
[1:13:50] a lockstep pattern to follow and that's
[1:13:53] my interpretation of this. Other
[1:13:55] comments that was exactly my question.
[1:13:58] Is this part of the minimum required by
[1:14:01] the state law this whole section?
[1:14:04] because I also thought it was a
[1:14:05] checklist. Like if you look at the
[1:14:07] pre-planning, I mean, we've already met
[1:14:10] multiple times on all of that. So, is
[1:14:12] this just like here's your to-do list,
[1:14:14] make sure you're checking off this
[1:14:16] stuff, or is this part of the minimum
[1:14:18] required by the end of June that Erica
[1:14:21] mentioned earlier? We want to have a
[1:14:23] public participation plan by the end of
[1:14:24] June. Is that part of the state
[1:14:26] requirements? Okay, here is the state
[1:14:29] requirement.
[1:14:31] The governing body of a local
[1:14:33] governmental unit shall adopt written
[1:14:35] procedures that are designed to foster
[1:14:38] public participation,
[1:14:40] including open discussion, communication
[1:14:42] programs, information services, and
[1:14:45] public meetings for which advanced
[1:14:47] notice has been provided in every stage
[1:14:50] of the preparation of a comprehensive
[1:14:52] plan. The written procedures shall
[1:14:55] provide for wide distribution of
[1:14:57] proposed, alternative, and amended
[1:14:59] elements of a comprehensive plan and
[1:15:01] shall provide an opportunity for written
[1:15:03] comments on the plan to be submitted by
[1:15:06] members of the public to the governing
[1:15:08] body and for the governing body to
[1:15:10] respond to such comments. That's the
[1:15:12] requirement. There's a lot of
[1:15:14] flexibility in how you go about meeting
[1:15:16] the requirement.
[1:15:19] So everything after that paragraph that
[1:15:21] you read on page two of our notes,
[1:15:24] everything after that is like Cadillac
[1:15:27] stuff.
[1:15:28] You you those are those are the guidance
[1:15:31] basically that originally came from
[1:15:33] Northwest Regional Planning for for
[1:15:34] Brunett as to how to meet those
[1:15:38] requirements. So it flushes out a whole
[1:15:40] lot more than the the really you could
[1:15:44] do do this on a really bare bones basis
[1:15:46] if you had to. So what I'm trying to um
[1:15:50] ascertain then is the idea that there's
[1:15:53] quote seven meetings or a certain number
[1:15:55] of meetings that is all like Bernett
[1:15:58] County and and us what we think and
[1:16:01] regional planning and their experience
[1:16:03] but there's nothing that says you have
[1:16:05] to have this many meetings in these
[1:16:07] stages. All of that is like supportive
[1:16:09] documentation for being effective but
[1:16:13] it's not like required. So, uh, once we
[1:16:17] have the expertise of Northwest Regional
[1:16:18] Planning on board, which we don't
[1:16:20] actually have yet, uh, but I would say
[1:16:23] it is
[1:16:25] my interpretation that you can meet this
[1:16:29] requirement in a lot of different ways
[1:16:32] and this is the guidance basically that
[1:16:35] Northwest Regional Planning has in their
[1:16:38] playbook for how a county can go about
[1:16:40] meeting the requirement. The other
[1:16:42] requirement are the legal notice
[1:16:44] requirements which stand for all of our
[1:16:46] public type of meetings and hearings of
[1:16:48] their different categories. And it does
[1:16:50] stipulate that for that final
[1:16:52] comprehensive review that we meet that
[1:16:54] 30-day requirement. Yeah, but I think
[1:16:56] it's just for that final one. Other
[1:16:58] discussion.
[1:17:02] Yeah, I I I agree. I'm just saying it
[1:17:05] seems like in the that public
[1:17:07] participation plan by planning stage and
[1:17:09] adoption. It seems like we're
[1:17:12] separating things that are going to get
[1:17:14] grouped and I don't I just don't like
[1:17:16] that. Simplicity straight to the point
[1:17:18] is what it should be. We don't need
[1:17:19] seven stages if we're not going to go
[1:17:21] through each stage sequentially in my my
[1:17:24] mind. That's that's what I like. Seven
[1:17:27] stages is great if you're going to go
[1:17:29] through them sequentially, but if we're
[1:17:31] just going to go through them all kind
[1:17:33] of at once,
[1:17:35] then why have seven stages? Why not just
[1:17:38] say, "Here's what we're going to do." Be
[1:17:39] direct that. I I hate this. Oh, we're
[1:17:42] going to do it all flowery, but we're
[1:17:44] not. We're going to do it. And so, I
[1:17:46] don't think we need the seven stages if
[1:17:48] we're not going to go through the seven
[1:17:50] stages.
[1:17:52] So, each section, Brad, or each stage?
[1:17:55] Nope. Nope. Nope. May uh Mayor Joe, I
[1:17:58] don't think you have the actual
[1:18:00] document. It it's what's on the screen
[1:18:02] there. If you scroll down, there are
[1:18:04] stages of the public participation. It
[1:18:07] has nothing to do with the the different
[1:18:09] sections. It's how we're going to get
[1:18:11] the information to write the plan and
[1:18:14] part of it is, you know, writing the
[1:18:16] plan. So, there's stages there. Yeah.
[1:18:19] like the I agree the data collection
[1:18:21] analysis stage that's what Northwest
[1:18:23] regional planning is doing for us that
[1:18:25] that that can stay there but if we're
[1:18:28] going to do issue identification and
[1:18:30] develop goals and objective in one
[1:18:33] meeting then why have two stages
[1:18:36] because you only do it for one topic
[1:18:38] like agriculture cultural and natural
[1:18:40] resources they it takes about 90 minutes
[1:18:44] to present the background information
[1:18:46] and go through goals and activities and
[1:18:48] that then we don't need two different
[1:18:50] stages to say issue identification and
[1:18:53] develop goals and objectives. That can
[1:18:54] be one stage.
[1:18:57] That's that's what I'm saying is we have
[1:18:59] seven stages
[1:19:01] of strategy development. Is that part of
[1:19:05] these meetings? The meeting is going to
[1:19:07] be strategy development, develop goals
[1:19:09] and uh objectives, issue identification.
[1:19:13] Is that what the meeting is going to do
[1:19:16] is all three stages? Then why do we have
[1:19:18] three separate stages for it?
[1:19:21] Because to me to me if we're going to
[1:19:25] come together and say we're going today
[1:19:28] we're going to do strategy development
[1:19:29] then we need to separate that out. But
[1:19:31] if we're going to do issues and
[1:19:33] opportunities or goals and objectives
[1:19:36] and strategy all in the same meeting
[1:19:39] they don't need to be separate stages.
[1:19:40] It confuses things. And if I see this,
[1:19:42] I'm like, wait, why are we talking about
[1:19:46] uh existing and develop new strategies
[1:19:49] to meet the goals and objectives? We
[1:19:50] haven't even talked about the goals and
[1:19:51] objectives yet. Let us digest that. And
[1:19:54] so I think we want to merge these stages
[1:19:57] into something. Erica, it does seem like
[1:20:01] it would simplify things if we
[1:20:06] uh consolidated the language and made
[1:20:10] the scope of work from NWRPC
[1:20:14] coordinate with the public participation
[1:20:16] plan, right? So that we're using the
[1:20:19] same terms and then we can refer to this
[1:20:21] the months if we don't have dates yet,
[1:20:24] we can refer to the month that this is
[1:20:26] going to happen in the timeline.
[1:20:29] Um because I think that would that would
[1:20:31] pull together what Brad wants and then
[1:20:34] also keep us on track for what Northwest
[1:20:37] Regional Planning is considering. Other
[1:20:41] comments and discussion.
[1:20:43] Pat,
[1:20:45] I never interpreted that as you had to
[1:20:48] have a separate meeting for every stage.
[1:20:50] I interpret that as you could lump them
[1:20:53] together as it seemed to work.
[1:20:55] I I understand that interpretation, but
[1:20:58] it just why not lump it together? If
[1:21:00] we're going to do it one way, why not
[1:21:02] just do it that way instead of saying
[1:21:04] because if I'm a member of the public,
[1:21:05] I'm I say, well, I want to I care about
[1:21:08] making sure I'm part of the public
[1:21:10] participation for goals and objectives,
[1:21:11] but I don't care about how we're going
[1:21:13] to get to them. Well, I think it's go
[1:21:15] back to the statute that George read
[1:21:16] from the state. There's this paragraph
[1:21:18] that gives you a broad outline and then
[1:21:20] the state doesn't say here's the gory
[1:21:22] details. They leave that to you because
[1:21:24] everybody's going to have their own
[1:21:25] version. And I think the same thing is
[1:21:27] here. They just articulated the things
[1:21:29] they wanted you to get through or but
[1:21:32] then leave it to us to decide how much
[1:21:35] to lump. You know, we might think we
[1:21:36] could lump three things together.
[1:21:37] Somebody else might think they could
[1:21:39] lump two. Depends on how things go. And
[1:21:41] then and we just do it. I that's what I
[1:21:43] just say is do it from the get-go. If
[1:21:46] we're planning on only having seven
[1:21:49] meetings, that's going to cover those
[1:21:51] three of those stages each time each
[1:21:54] time, then let's only have one stage for
[1:21:57] those three stages. And I think it's too
[1:21:59] early for us to decide if we want or
[1:22:02] not. Let me bring this back to chair. I
[1:22:03] want to ask Gary, if you're online, if
[1:22:05] you have an observation,
[1:22:11] I had to unmute my speaker. Um, my only
[1:22:15] concern, I'll sound like a broken
[1:22:18] record, is at the very beginning of this
[1:22:20] letter, it says reviewed by everybody.
[1:22:24] Has this been thoroughly reviewed by all
[1:22:27] of us and um, Northwest Regional
[1:22:30] Planning? Because the very first
[1:22:31] sentence in this, go to back to page
[1:22:34] one, says reviewed by everyone.
[1:22:40] It says right there, prepared and
[1:22:42] reviewed by Ashen County and Northwest
[1:22:44] Regional Planning.
[1:22:47] I think we're reviewing it now.
[1:22:56] The the very top about who who put it
[1:22:59] in.
[1:23:01] Um well
[1:23:04] this document
[1:23:06] tape was provided by Northwest Regional
[1:23:09] Planning and they basically
[1:23:12] this document was basically written by
[1:23:15] Northwest Regional Planning in its
[1:23:17] unmarkedup form by Northwest Re for
[1:23:20] Bernett County. So I think when we're
[1:23:23] talking about this this outline which is
[1:23:25] basically just kind of a a timeline
[1:23:29] it's broken into like these stages but
[1:23:31] it's basically just a time a sequencing
[1:23:33] of what happens in a certain order but
[1:23:36] you know I understand this is basically
[1:23:38] being the prescription given by
[1:23:41] Northwest Regional Planning. Now they
[1:23:43] were invited to participate today but I
[1:23:45] guess they were unable to do so. Um
[1:23:49] so my view is
[1:23:53] my preference would be to go ahead uh uh
[1:23:56] to approve this as presented subject to
[1:23:59] recision at our next meeting. Um
[1:24:02] hopefully we'll have Northwest Regional
[1:24:05] Planning in online between now and the
[1:24:08] next meeting and uh we can bring it back
[1:24:11] for further discussion. But we'll have
[1:24:14] because if if we want to rewrite this,
[1:24:15] someone actually has to rewrite it.
[1:24:18] And
[1:24:20] if if seven of us rewrote it, we all end
[1:24:23] up with different rewrites, right? So
[1:24:26] I'm more comfortable just sticking with
[1:24:28] the way that it was originally
[1:24:29] presented, I think, by Northwest
[1:24:32] Regional Planning for Bernett and we
[1:24:35] should just maybe consider a guideline.
[1:24:38] Any other discussion? Lisa, one thing as
[1:24:41] we've been all talking about this is I
[1:24:43] really and I know they were invited for
[1:24:46] today, but I really feel like we need
[1:24:47] regional planning. I'm not sure when
[1:24:50] they come on as the paid partner because
[1:24:53] I think they could answer a lot of these
[1:24:55] right off the bat. You know, like we
[1:24:57] were waiting to before we got them
[1:24:59] because they're waiting for the grant um
[1:25:01] announcement, but we know we got the
[1:25:03] 50,000 and then we know the county is
[1:25:05] going to put in 25 right in the finance
[1:25:07] committee. So, they got 75,000. I I
[1:25:10] would love to know when they are coming
[1:25:12] in to just sort of say, "Here, you guys
[1:25:15] are the keepers. You're the experts."
[1:25:17] Not that we're going to turn the whole
[1:25:19] key over to them, but Okay. Point of
[1:25:21] order. We're on discussion for the
[1:25:23] approval of this participation plan
[1:25:25] right now. The next agenda item will
[1:25:27] address the question of Northwest
[1:25:29] Regional Planning. It just makes it
[1:25:31] harder to decide how to deal with this
[1:25:33] issue without knowing when we get access
[1:25:35] to their input. Pat. So, if I remember
[1:25:39] right, we were supposed to approve this
[1:25:41] in the month of June. So, we're in June.
[1:25:44] And I take it that if it's approved and
[1:25:46] you vote in the affirmative, you'll
[1:25:47] choose to bring it back for
[1:25:48] reconsideration at the next meeting,
[1:25:50] which gives us time. Um, which is you
[1:25:53] and perhaps some others to talk to
[1:25:55] Northwest Regional Planning to clarify
[1:25:57] some of the things in yellow or other
[1:26:00] adjustments we might make or just to
[1:26:03] better understand the things that we
[1:26:04] have latitude to modify later without
[1:26:06] any ill effects and as we go through the
[1:26:09] planning process. So, it seems like we
[1:26:13] need to approve this and if it's brought
[1:26:16] back for reconsideration, we can tweak
[1:26:17] it. We'll have more information before
[1:26:19] the next meeting as you communicate with
[1:26:21] Northwest and then we'll be done with
[1:26:24] it, you know, or at least a version
[1:26:26] that's meets our requirements, but yet
[1:26:28] we can modify.
[1:26:30] Further discussion, comments on this
[1:26:33] motion to approve this uh public
[1:26:37] participation plan as presented subject
[1:26:39] to reconsideration at our next meeting.
[1:26:43] If there's no further discussion, all
[1:26:45] those in favor, please say I. I. I. I.
[1:26:48] Any opposed? Any abstensions? So, the
[1:26:52] motion is carried and we move on to our
[1:26:54] next agenda item. Thank goodness.
[1:26:57] Okay, I can answer Lisa's question from
[1:27:00] previous if you'd like me to. I can
[1:27:02] answer Lisa's question. Okay. So, um
[1:27:05] that was hanging.
[1:27:14] We are now a discussion at discussion
[1:27:16] action item E5E,
[1:27:19] review of Northwest Regional Planning
[1:27:21] Scope of Work. Uh Erica,
[1:27:24] uh so we do not have a signed contract
[1:27:29] with so just as the update on the grant,
[1:27:31] they cannot actually bill ours until we
[1:27:35] have right the signed contract. This
[1:27:38] whole CDBG Decker thing takes a lot
[1:27:42] longer than even I imagined. So, there
[1:27:44] was the pre-aggreement which they
[1:27:47] required like 15 more documents from us.
[1:27:51] That was sent to them two weeks ago.
[1:27:54] They sent me back, but I've I've been
[1:27:58] gone for the past week. They did send me
[1:27:59] back right as I was leaving the
[1:28:05] draft of a final agreement. I spent
[1:28:09] today reviewing the final agreement. We
[1:28:12] have a couple of minor details going
[1:28:14] back and forth. We should be able to
[1:28:16] finalize that by tomorrow, get that back
[1:28:17] to them, but then it has to go to at
[1:28:19] least three other departments within
[1:28:21] Decker and their financial department to
[1:28:24] get fully approved.
[1:28:26] Then I believe we might have a semifinal
[1:28:30] contract that then we sign and then we
[1:28:32] send back and then maybe we get a
[1:28:34] contract. So that's all to say
[1:28:38] I believe that they are not uh
[1:28:44] logging hours but they know that this is
[1:28:47] coming. Um and Northwest Regional
[1:28:51] Planning had planned for month four. So
[1:28:53] we're in month two of what their
[1:28:55] original schedule is. So month four or
[1:28:58] August would be their steering committee
[1:29:02] meeting one. And so that would be where
[1:29:06] they present plan, update, overview,
[1:29:08] issues and opportunities roundtable and
[1:29:11] then the update narrative of
[1:29:14] demographics, housing and transportation
[1:29:16] pieces of that. So that would be August
[1:29:19] I believe
[1:29:25] to approve that final contract that
[1:29:28] comes out.
[1:29:30] I don't believe so. Yeah. I'm I think
[1:29:35] the board at our meeting would have been
[1:29:37] I think the end of March that we
[1:29:39] approved already approved I think we're
[1:29:41] preapproved the acceptance of of the
[1:29:44] award as well
[1:29:48] that
[1:29:50] yeah
[1:29:55] other discussion on the scope of work
[1:29:59] uh oh that's the next item okay is it
[1:30:01] yeah E is yeah review northwest regional
[1:30:05] planning scope of work
[1:30:08] and then it goes together with F which
[1:30:10] is working relationship and scheduling
[1:30:12] with Northwest regional planning because
[1:30:13] I had been hoping that perhaps a
[1:30:15] representative would be on the call
[1:30:16] today but they are not. I uh had a
[1:30:19] comment on scope of work. I think it's a
[1:30:22] might be a subject worthy of some
[1:30:24] discussion.
[1:30:25] um in the first paragraph. Hey, do we
[1:30:29] have that online because I don't
[1:30:31] remember seeing in the packet and I
[1:30:32] thought it was in an email but then I
[1:30:34] can't find that email. So I don't
[1:30:38] Okay, we just have the cover sheet. Do
[1:30:40] we have anything on that element? It's 5
[1:30:44] E and 5F. Yeah, it's it's not it's not
[1:30:47] in the packet.
[1:30:50] Yeah, if you just put it up on. So, I'll
[1:30:53] just read you the the first paragraph in
[1:30:56] their scope of work here, which is
[1:30:58] pretty reasonable document. I only have
[1:31:00] one thing that I think is worth
[1:31:01] discussion. So, it says Ashlin County
[1:31:04] adopted it current comprehensive plan
[1:31:06] volume one background document volume
[1:31:08] two vision and goals in 2016
[1:31:12] as required by Wisconsin statute 66.1.
[1:31:17] The plan must be updated every 10 years.
[1:31:19] This update will revise data, maps,
[1:31:22] forecasts, narrative, vision, and
[1:31:25] implementation strategies to reflect
[1:31:27] current conditions and long-term goals.
[1:31:30] Now, this is where I wanted to focus
[1:31:33] that guide growth and development over
[1:31:36] the next 20 years.
[1:31:38] And I believe that word growth merits
[1:31:42] discussion along the way.
[1:31:45] Uh
[1:31:47] so there's a lot of interest in this
[1:31:49] area. Uh there's visible interest in
[1:31:51] what we call sustainability
[1:31:54] and sustainability is a little bit more
[1:31:58] um nuanced than the word growth
[1:32:02] and economic growth has been kind of a
[1:32:04] business mantra for the past half
[1:32:06] century the United States
[1:32:09] but I think there are views that it's
[1:32:11] not always constructive growth.
[1:32:14] uh that was reflected in the reaction to
[1:32:16] the idea of changing Apossible National
[1:32:18] Lake Shores to a national park. I think
[1:32:21] that was just sort of a piece of
[1:32:22] evidence that people
[1:32:24] don't want to necessarily have a form of
[1:32:26] growth that's going to be
[1:32:30] perceived negatively or experienced
[1:32:32] negatively. So I just wanted to say that
[1:32:35] maybe what we ought to be thinking about
[1:32:37] is constructive development and
[1:32:39] sustainability
[1:32:40] and not just
[1:32:43] growth per se. And I don't know if
[1:32:45] anybody else has a comment on that. I
[1:32:46] just wanted to bring that up and I think
[1:32:48] it'll be a discussion item along the
[1:32:50] way. Other thoughts on this agenda item?
[1:32:55] Uh Pat,
[1:32:57] I think you make some good points there
[1:32:59] that I agree with and I won't be labor.
[1:33:02] Um the words development, you know,
[1:33:06] carries a connotation and certainly
[1:33:08] growth has implications are often
[1:33:10] measured in terms of an economic sense.
[1:33:12] Um
[1:33:14] you know, planning for future changes.
[1:33:18] You know, a word that's neutral in terms
[1:33:20] of economic value, you know, that growth
[1:33:22] has. But even the word development um at
[1:33:25] our last farmland preservation meeting,
[1:33:28] we had talked about parcel sizes in the
[1:33:31] county and that was on our zoning
[1:33:32] committee meeting um a week or two ago
[1:33:35] and I've asked staff to send me the
[1:33:36] electronic copy so I can send that to
[1:33:38] the farmland preservation group. But
[1:33:40] just this word development, you know, in
[1:33:42] my mind what I see is, you know, a 40
[1:33:44] and something carving out in the woods
[1:33:46] and sticking something there. they call
[1:33:48] that development but you know it carries
[1:33:51] a negative connotation um you know when
[1:33:54] you see it done in certain ways. So
[1:33:58] you know I would just you know change is
[1:34:00] future changes and then stay away from
[1:34:03] those words that
[1:34:06] go back to the economic model of we're
[1:34:09] going to use our natural resources and
[1:34:12] try to make money.
[1:34:14] I don't know. We If Gary is still
[1:34:16] online,
[1:34:20] I don't know if you're still there,
[1:34:21] Gary. Yep, I'm here. So, since you have
[1:34:24] the the economic development element, do
[1:34:28] you have thoughts on this question?
[1:34:36] Well,
[1:34:39] what one of the problems with is going
[1:34:43] to be economic development is just
[1:34:46] where's the business and then the
[1:34:48] businesses are going to ask us where's
[1:34:50] the people?
[1:34:53] And so it it's going to be a tough
[1:34:57] issue because
[1:34:59] um businesses need people and we don't
[1:35:02] seem to have them right now. I mean in
[1:35:04] the southern half of the county we've
[1:35:06] lost
[1:35:08] hundreds and hundreds of employees over
[1:35:10] the last 10 years. The mill in Park
[1:35:12] Falls closed. They had 700 people
[1:35:14] working there. The plant in Butternut
[1:35:16] closed. The little plant in Glidden
[1:35:18] closed. all of those jobs are gone and
[1:35:22] there's nothing coming in except
[1:35:24] tourism, but that isn't helping us uh at
[1:35:28] the moment. So the
[1:35:32] and and of course in Ash now we've got
[1:35:34] North and College as everybody's aware
[1:35:36] of. Um those jobs are gone. Um
[1:35:41] I guess as a county we have to figure
[1:35:43] out what comes first.
[1:35:47] Um if we attract businesses
[1:35:50] where are the people coming from and
[1:35:53] again where do they live
[1:35:56] and then you know how do we market
[1:35:58] ourselves to a business of any sort and
[1:36:01] say you know come to this area it's a
[1:36:03] beautiful area to live what I'm seeing
[1:36:05] where I live is a bunch of retirees like
[1:36:08] myself
[1:36:10] and that has a big effect on the schools
[1:36:13] there's no kids in our families anymore
[1:36:16] Um,
[1:36:18] I I think we have to try and figure out
[1:36:21] with some help where is the economic
[1:36:24] development in the area. I mean, we talk
[1:36:27] about little businesses, but um, we've
[1:36:31] we've changed so much. We used to have
[1:36:33] dairy farms. Dairy farms meant big
[1:36:35] families in most cases. We don't have
[1:36:38] dairy farms anymore as a majority in the
[1:36:41] county. We have beef farmers. But um so
[1:36:47] the big question for us economically is
[1:36:50] what is Ashlin County's future? Um and
[1:36:55] how do we get there? Um you know, I
[1:36:58] struggle. I live in town of Agenda and
[1:37:00] I'll brag about it. We're we have the
[1:37:02] highest medium income and I've said this
[1:37:04] before of any other town in in this
[1:37:06] county. The reason we have that is
[1:37:09] because we're all retired
[1:37:11] state teaching or federal employees.
[1:37:16] That isn't helping the county other than
[1:37:18] we might buy something once in a while.
[1:37:21] But um that's why the the plan has to
[1:37:26] somehow address
[1:37:28] how do we tout ourselves as a county for
[1:37:30] economic development but then in the
[1:37:33] back of our head say we need housing and
[1:37:35] we need people and I don't know which
[1:37:38] comes first because
[1:37:40] um if somebody big wants to come into
[1:37:43] the area and wants employees where are
[1:37:46] they coming from?
[1:37:50] I know that doesn't really answer the
[1:37:51] whole question, but it it's been my
[1:37:54] concern for a long time is, you know, u
[1:37:58] I can show you 20 houses in this area
[1:38:03] that are sitting empty because they were
[1:38:06] bought by people from out of town who
[1:38:09] use them as recreational property.
[1:38:11] That's not helping a county in the long
[1:38:13] run for people.
[1:38:20] Thank you, Alyssa. And I think you're
[1:38:23] you're really I think you all are
[1:38:26] getting to the heart of what is this
[1:38:27] visionary planning for the future and
[1:38:30] maybe these answers will tease out a
[1:38:33] little bit in conversations on that
[1:38:34] trends and issues. You know, I worked
[1:38:36] with five of the chapters with the work
[1:38:40] groups like egg and natural resources
[1:38:42] that um Pat was on transportation in
[1:38:45] there. We just we said what are the
[1:38:47] trends what's happening right now and
[1:38:49] then we said what are the issues of
[1:38:51] what's happening right now and in the
[1:38:54] future and then that led to us coming up
[1:38:57] with actions and objectives right so you
[1:39:00] use the conversation and the data and
[1:39:03] people's desires when you're looking at
[1:39:05] issues and trends to move your plan
[1:39:09] forward but you you got to have a a
[1:39:12] whole part of that conversation has to
[1:39:14] be that trends and issues and then what
[1:39:16] are your opportunities? That's where all
[1:39:18] this conversation really hits the mark
[1:39:22] and and Northwest Regional Planning, I'm
[1:39:24] sure, will have some data for us
[1:39:27] to help us tap into that. Like we all
[1:39:30] know that I keep hearing different
[1:39:32] numbers, but 40% of our current Ash
[1:39:35] County population is like people over
[1:39:37] 65. And the housing folks, Lauren Negro,
[1:39:41] says it's likely to go higher in the
[1:39:43] next 10 years. So that's a trend. What
[1:39:46] are the issues associated with that
[1:39:48] aging population? Then we decide what
[1:39:50] our actions are. Um the word I would use
[1:39:53] like I love your idea of changes whether
[1:39:56] it because growth and development those
[1:39:59] are old world terms you know like we
[1:40:02] can't just keep growing anymore like
[1:40:04] climate change says you can't just keep
[1:40:06] growing. There's a limit but maybe it's
[1:40:09] sustainable change. How do we build in
[1:40:12] actions for sustainable change? whatever
[1:40:14] that is. Um, but the actual idea of
[1:40:19] what's going to happen and how do we
[1:40:20] plan comes out of those discussions on
[1:40:22] issues and and trends.
[1:40:25] Uh, thank you, Mary. Joe, you have your
[1:40:27] hand up.
[1:40:30] Yes, thank you. Um,
[1:40:33] I mean, we we are still having growth.
[1:40:36] So, we talked about this a little bit in
[1:40:40] I'm working on the town of Moringo
[1:40:42] comprehensive plan right now and
[1:40:45] um from
[1:40:48] from the last decade we had 24% growth
[1:40:51] in the town of Moringo versus the county
[1:40:54] was 6%.
[1:40:56] So, there is still growth occurring.
[1:40:59] There's more growth in some areas.
[1:41:02] And in the town of Morango, the average
[1:41:04] age is in the 40s because we have a lot
[1:41:07] of large families with young kids. So, I
[1:41:11] mean, the important thing is we're still
[1:41:13] going to have growth and development
[1:41:15] here. And talking about development
[1:41:17] gives you the opportunity to ask
[1:41:19] yourselves, what are the things that we
[1:41:21] value about this county? What are the
[1:41:24] reasons and the lifestyles and the
[1:41:26] livelihood for why we live here? How do
[1:41:29] we want to guide that for the future to
[1:41:31] preserve those qualities for future
[1:41:33] generations?
[1:41:35] What are the sensitive areas, whether
[1:41:37] they're cultural or environmental or
[1:41:40] natural resources that we want to
[1:41:41] protect for the future? And how do we
[1:41:44] protect those? Do we need to change
[1:41:47] regulations or strengthen or how do we
[1:41:50] want to protect those features? So,
[1:41:53] those are all components of when you're
[1:41:55] talking about development.
[1:41:58] Uh, we are going to have increases in
[1:42:00] population here as the temperatures warm
[1:42:04] and people from the south move north. I
[1:42:06] already know of people from Texas and
[1:42:09] Arkansas buying houses in Ashlin for
[1:42:12] when they can't live in Texas anymore.
[1:42:15] Agriculture is going to be moving north
[1:42:17] because there's going to be parts of our
[1:42:18] country that we no longer have water
[1:42:21] resources or the ability to grow crops.
[1:42:25] And you know, we're not going to be able
[1:42:26] to answer th those issues today or in
[1:42:29] the next year, but when we talk about
[1:42:31] development, it gives us the opportunity
[1:42:33] to recognize the things that are
[1:42:35] sensitive or the things that we want to
[1:42:37] protect and to develop framework for how
[1:42:39] we're going to do that for the next 10
[1:42:41] to 20 years.
[1:42:43] That's it.
[1:42:46] Uh Pat, I like Alyssa's phrase,
[1:42:49] sustainable change. you know, the
[1:42:51] population up here was far greater a
[1:42:54] century ago, you know, with the industry
[1:42:56] that we had at that time. And this whole
[1:42:58] thing with, you know, with growth and
[1:43:00] development, there's kind of two big
[1:43:02] points in our history where that at
[1:43:03] least in recent history was after World
[1:43:05] War II when we needed a stronger
[1:43:06] industrial economy, Sputnik going up,
[1:43:09] needed more scientists and that sort of
[1:43:10] stuff. And then if you remember
[1:43:14] inflation from the late 70s, early 80s
[1:43:17] um in the presidential race of 80 um the
[1:43:20] big question was how do you deal with
[1:43:22] inflation? And the person that got
[1:43:24] elected said the way to deal with
[1:43:26] inflation is to increase the supply of
[1:43:28] goods so people won't be chasing the
[1:43:31] goods that are available because they'll
[1:43:32] understand there won't be a scarcity
[1:43:33] because there'll be more of it. So they
[1:43:35] changed the tax laws in '86 to favor the
[1:43:37] business community to produce more
[1:43:39] goods. We have been living through
[1:43:41] what's now 40 years of growth is the the
[1:43:46] holy grail in development. And it's in
[1:43:48] it's it kind of bugs me that it's so
[1:43:50] inculturated. It was a choice that was
[1:43:53] made by this country through tax policy
[1:43:55] 40 years ago that puts growth and
[1:43:58] development above all else and then the
[1:44:00] exploitation of natural resources. And
[1:44:04] so sustainable change, it doesn't mean
[1:44:06] that we don't have additional housing,
[1:44:08] but hopefully it means we're more
[1:44:10] thoughtful like infill and Ashland
[1:44:12] instead of carving up another 40, you
[1:44:14] know, that's, you know, still pristine
[1:44:16] or something. So, and it makes us think
[1:44:19] harder about these things. And it also,
[1:44:22] you know, this ever, you know, I don't
[1:44:24] know if we're going to be bigger or not
[1:44:25] in the future. The state projects us at,
[1:44:27] I think, um, 13,325
[1:44:30] people in 25 years. And I did look up
[1:44:32] their methodology for how they project
[1:44:34] growth and it is on census data
[1:44:36] including women of childbearing age and
[1:44:38] and that sort of stuff and this is
[1:44:41] before North and close. So they're
[1:44:43] projecting us to have fewer people.
[1:44:46] But this idea that if our population as
[1:44:48] a whole in this county declines and I
[1:44:51] don't know what's going to happen, so
[1:44:52] I'll say if but it shouldn't be viewed
[1:44:54] necessarily with a negative connotation.
[1:44:57] It could be that our quality of life
[1:44:59] improves because we do better at
[1:45:01] protecting what's important to us while
[1:45:04] still having a vibrant enough economy.
[1:45:07] So that part is worthwhile. In 2014, the
[1:45:10] municipality magazine, I think it was
[1:45:12] 2014, had a front page article on the
[1:45:15] communities that were growing and
[1:45:17] thriving. And it wasn't because they
[1:45:20] figured out economic development. It was
[1:45:22] because they made the community a place
[1:45:24] that people wanted to live. social
[1:45:27] things to do, good restaurants, quality
[1:45:29] of life, feeling safe. People came and
[1:45:32] they figured out what they were going to
[1:45:33] do for a living, started their business,
[1:45:35] work remotely. People figured that out,
[1:45:38] but they were there because they wanted
[1:45:40] to live there. And so that quality of
[1:45:43] life is really important. The people
[1:45:45] will come if you have that quality of
[1:45:47] life. And it turns out they will largely
[1:45:50] figure out those details of how they're
[1:45:52] going to make a living once they get
[1:45:55] there.
[1:46:00] Other discussion?
[1:46:02] We are at um
[1:46:05] the Northwest Regional Planning Scope of
[1:46:08] Work. Is there any further discussion on
[1:46:11] item 5E
[1:46:13] uh Northwest Regional Planning Scope of
[1:46:15] Work? If not, we're at item 5F, which is
[1:46:19] working relationship and scheduling with
[1:46:21] Northwest Regional Planning. Seems to be
[1:46:23] we may have discussed it. there's any
[1:46:24] further comment on the working
[1:46:26] relationship northwest regional
[1:46:28] planning. If not, we move on to item G
[1:46:32] which is
[1:46:34] uh town inputs to planning. So there is
[1:46:36] a
[1:46:38] document which I compose
[1:46:41] and so
[1:46:44] I am suggesting and see what what you
[1:46:47] all think but we have asked the um the
[1:46:51] county departments to provide input.
[1:46:55] We have asked the town the county
[1:46:59] supervisors on the committees in which
[1:47:01] they serve to request a discussion of
[1:47:05] planning ideas and issues and for that
[1:47:09] to be recorded in the minutes of the u
[1:47:12] of the committee meetings.
[1:47:14] And I would like to request send a
[1:47:16] request to the town boards in the county
[1:47:20] to do likewise to simply put on their
[1:47:23] agendas an item for discussion of
[1:47:27] comprehensive planning and to record any
[1:47:31] discussion if they actually have any in
[1:47:34] their minutes so that those minutes
[1:47:35] would document their comments and be
[1:47:37] available to us as input. So that's the
[1:47:40] uh the idea here and this is laid out in
[1:47:43] a similar idea of how they would put it
[1:47:45] on their agenda.
[1:47:47] Uh similar to way we're asking our our
[1:47:49] county committees to put it on their
[1:47:51] agendas and I know that you know some of
[1:47:54] the committees are already doing this.
[1:47:55] We have health and human services
[1:47:57] tomorrow and Clarence who chairs that
[1:48:00] committee Clarence Campbell put it you
[1:48:01] know sent out right away uh week and a
[1:48:04] half ago to put that on the agenda for
[1:48:06] the health and human services tomorrow.
[1:48:08] So is there a comment in discussion on
[1:48:10] this uh proposal?
[1:48:16] Uh listen, you had you showed me a
[1:48:19] sample like of language, didn't you? At
[1:48:23] one of the discussions we had where
[1:48:25] you're going to invite like the town
[1:48:28] chairs and the village chair to do this
[1:48:32] process that we're describing of having
[1:48:34] everybody
[1:48:41] requesting.
[1:48:47] Yeah, I love it. I think it's a great
[1:48:49] idea.
[1:48:51] Well, I think I will proceed to try to
[1:48:55] have this happen. I don't think we need
[1:48:56] a vote on it as long as there's a
[1:48:58] consensus here that this is an action we
[1:49:00] can take. If there's no further
[1:49:02] discussion on that item, I'll move on to
[1:49:04] the Oh, Pat, I was just curious. You got
[1:49:06] 2025 in there. Um, do we necessarily
[1:49:09] know from a timeline perspective if we
[1:49:11] want to limit it to 2025?
[1:49:16] Uh, well,
[1:49:18] I didn't want to overwhelm them. So, I
[1:49:20] thought you can always ask them to do it
[1:49:22] continue into 2026, but we would like to
[1:49:24] have their input before the end of the
[1:49:26] year so we can incorporate it in our in
[1:49:28] our work. So, that's why I let I'd like
[1:49:31] to have them comment before the end of
[1:49:34] 2025. So we have it as input or
[1:49:36] consideration.
[1:49:38] That was a reason for not not making a
[1:49:40] further.
[1:49:47] Well, you know, going back to Brad and
[1:49:50] and all these meetings and all this
[1:49:51] planning and all this scheduling stuff,
[1:49:53] this says 2025. We're starting with
[1:49:56] Northwest Regional Planning in August.
[1:49:58] I'm just not certain or comfortable
[1:50:01] necessarily knowing that the end of 2025
[1:50:03] is it, but we could.
[1:50:06] Okay. I don't know that we know how long
[1:50:09] we're going to gather input yet. Could I
[1:50:12] could I modify this to say 2025 and
[1:50:14] early 26? Sure. Okay.
[1:50:18] Thank you. That great suggestion. other
[1:50:21] comments.
[1:50:30] Okay, moving on to our next item then is
[1:50:36] oh well this is just a point I wanted to
[1:50:39] raise and it's a discussion item and
[1:50:40] we're we're already almost two hours so
[1:50:42] I don't want to take too much longer um
[1:50:45] but if you read this I said consider the
[1:50:48] potential for future realignment of some
[1:50:51] county board committees for greater
[1:50:53] efficienc and effectiveness. And I gave
[1:50:56] an example for example realign land
[1:50:58] conservation and forestry and w
[1:51:01] committees as a single forestry
[1:51:04] land conservation
[1:51:06] and committee and then a separate
[1:51:09] recreation parks and arts committee. So
[1:51:14] the state statute actually requires us
[1:51:17] to have a parks commissioner. Uh, so I
[1:51:20] don't think we really have that and we
[1:51:23] don't really have anything in the way of
[1:51:24] county parks. But my interest in having
[1:51:27] county parks has brought brought me to
[1:51:29] think about
[1:51:31] the idea that the planning committee can
[1:51:35] broaden its thinking to consider whether
[1:51:38] or not
[1:51:40] the county is properly organized as in
[1:51:42] its corporate functions and it committee
[1:51:44] functions. I don't think it's something
[1:51:46] we really
[1:51:48] want to wrestle with right away. I just
[1:51:51] wanted to point out that it's not out of
[1:51:53] the purview of our thinking to consider
[1:51:56] whether the county is actually organized
[1:51:58] in its most efficient way and
[1:52:00] particularly regarding committee
[1:52:01] structures.
[1:52:03] So any comments on that sub? just I was
[1:52:06] going to uh follow up with just I think
[1:52:08] it's a good idea especially because this
[1:52:11] is a standing committee now but I think
[1:52:13] we should just kind of kick this can
[1:52:15] that can down the road until after
[1:52:18] December of 2026
[1:52:21] any of that sort of thing. I think that
[1:52:22] that's what this this committee can do
[1:52:25] in the meantime of the 10-year plans. I
[1:52:28] think I I don't think we need to uh
[1:52:31] take on more than what we already have.
[1:52:34] I would like to state my concurrence
[1:52:36] with Mr. Ray's comments. And listen, I I
[1:52:39] think that makes a lot of sense and
[1:52:42] maybe since you've raised the question
[1:52:44] as we go through the next 18 months um
[1:52:47] process, this kind of thing might come
[1:52:49] up, right? Like how do we reinvent
[1:52:52] ourselves as a county governance to be
[1:52:55] more effective? So I'm thinking of a
[1:52:57] thing in a goal that says the county
[1:52:59] board should meet in different parts of
[1:53:01] the county different parts of the day
[1:53:03] and also try to involve youth. And so
[1:53:06] that if that stays as an action that
[1:53:09] might change or inform different
[1:53:13] committee structures,
[1:53:15] you know, maybe there's a engagement
[1:53:17] with youth committee or something. All
[1:53:19] I'm saying is that as we go through the
[1:53:21] next 18 months, keep your idea in mind
[1:53:24] so that when we're done, we can really
[1:53:26] look. This is a time, you know, 10
[1:53:28] years, a time for you to look at
[1:53:30] everything about your county. Yeah. This
[1:53:32] came up for me when I went down to the
[1:53:34] forestry committee meeting uh about a
[1:53:36] week ago.
[1:53:38] Uh because, you know, well, we have a
[1:53:40] recreation officer. That's a member of
[1:53:43] the sheriff's department who deals in
[1:53:44] enforcement. This is this is not someone
[1:53:47] who's planning parks and recreation and
[1:53:49] amenities for the citizens of the of the
[1:53:51] county. It s doesn't seem that
[1:53:55] recreation is well placed with forestry
[1:53:57] because the folks in forestry are
[1:53:59] experts on forestry.
[1:54:02] So that's what brought it to mind for
[1:54:03] me. But I totally agree that this is
[1:54:05] kind of a kick can down the road in
[1:54:06] thought. It's something to keep in mind
[1:54:08] as we go through the comp plan process
[1:54:10] and it's egg and extension and we no
[1:54:12] longer really are an agriculturebased
[1:54:15] committee. I'm the only one doing
[1:54:17] anything with egg or food. We could just
[1:54:20] be the extension committee.
[1:54:24] Well, well said. Uh is Mary Joe still
[1:54:26] with us? She might not she's uh Gary
[1:54:30] your thoughts if any to contribute.
[1:54:33] Well,
[1:54:35] we want to start politics. you can start
[1:54:37] them right there because I guarantee the
[1:54:39] forestry would have a lot to say about
[1:54:42] um expanding into a committee with
[1:54:45] somebody else because um but that's
[1:54:49] another topic. If you want to really get
[1:54:52] into politics, let's talk about the size
[1:54:54] of the county board.
[1:54:58] Might as well get to the hot button
[1:54:59] topics right off the bat.
[1:55:03] Again, I think we could wait until
[1:55:05] January of 2027 to start talking about
[1:55:07] this. I agree. That's after the next
[1:55:10] election. Gary
[1:55:13] Pat. Well, so the next election is in
[1:55:16] April of 2026 and then committee
[1:55:17] assignments have to be made after the
[1:55:20] election and these are two tyear terms
[1:55:22] and so if you are going to reorganize,
[1:55:25] you know, it's going to take some
[1:55:26] advanced planning just so you can make
[1:55:28] committee assignments after an election.
[1:55:30] I'm going to say from having been on
[1:55:32] land and water conservation for a couple
[1:55:35] years or is it four years already or
[1:55:38] three or whatever, I can't imagine that
[1:55:40] merging with forestry given the
[1:55:42] different things they do um and what
[1:55:45] each has on their own plate. I would
[1:55:47] agree that the parks and wreck stuff,
[1:55:50] you know, was put somewhere and it's not
[1:55:54] an easy thing. I think the bigger issue
[1:55:55] with that is as a county we, you know,
[1:55:59] having grown up in Bayfield County and
[1:56:01] used to a lot of parks over there, it's
[1:56:04] been kind of eye opening how relatively
[1:56:06] little we have in Ashlin County. And I
[1:56:09] think I think that's an important topic
[1:56:12] to address and how it gets addressed, I
[1:56:13] don't know, you know, at the moment, but
[1:56:16] it's worth addressing. and maybe the
[1:56:18] committee organization is part of why we
[1:56:21] have relatively little of that because
[1:56:23] it's just a very small piece of what a
[1:56:26] committee has on their plate. Um the
[1:56:29] other thing I would suggest is that you
[1:56:30] look at the state statutes on what
[1:56:32] committees were required to have and
[1:56:34] what their charges are because I know
[1:56:36] there's
[1:56:38] guidelines from the state on that. So,
[1:56:40] we will be limited into what we can do
[1:56:43] also. But if we really are going to do
[1:56:45] this,
[1:56:47] I think it's about a 4-year process to
[1:56:50] think it through and then make those
[1:56:51] changes and put them in place after an
[1:56:54] election. And I don't know that we have
[1:56:55] time to delve with it before 2026, but
[1:56:59] starting
[1:57:01] in April of 2026, I could see a two-year
[1:57:04] process to consider it.
[1:57:07] other comments on this subject. I I
[1:57:10] would just add I I I really think it's a
[1:57:14] long-term consideration, not any
[1:57:16] near-term kind of consideration, but
[1:57:18] something to be thought about and maybe
[1:57:21] it goes into comprehensive planning that
[1:57:22] it should be thought about. Um
[1:57:26] I'm particularly bothered that from my
[1:57:28] reading of the statute that we ought to
[1:57:30] have a parks commissioner and we don't.
[1:57:33] Um, and it's my
[1:57:37] I'd say I guess I would consider it a
[1:57:39] personal agenda that the county ought to
[1:57:43] consider development of maybe one good
[1:57:47] county park per decade over the coming
[1:57:50] years. Something, you know, central
[1:57:52] Ashlin County, something southern Ashlin
[1:57:54] County. These are real concrete services
[1:57:58] to to families who live here. if we can
[1:58:01] do it. If there are no further
[1:58:03] discussion on that topic, we move on to
[1:58:06] item five I which is publicity
[1:58:12] and I have a proposal. Um
[1:58:17] Dan isn't here today but
[1:58:20] my thought was uh we need to raise the
[1:58:23] the community awareness that this
[1:58:25] comprehensive plan process is actually
[1:58:27] taking place. So we there it's just you
[1:58:30] know if you if we interviewed 15
[1:58:33] different people down on the street
[1:58:34] right now and they say do do you know
[1:58:36] what the Ashlin County comprehensive
[1:58:37] plan is being considered they say they
[1:58:39] would say they know nothing about it. So
[1:58:42] we can think of ways to raise awareness
[1:58:44] which means we need to partic
[1:58:47] the uh participation of of our press of
[1:58:51] our newspapers and other outlets. And I
[1:58:53] thought we could make a bit of a
[1:58:55] publicity stunt planting a tree to
[1:58:57] replace our trees that have just been
[1:58:59] cut down. I don't know if anybody thinks
[1:59:01] that's a good idea or a bad idea. I'm
[1:59:03] just putting it out there. Lisa,
[1:59:06] love it. I love the idea. And I'm
[1:59:09] working on a potential project of um
[1:59:12] perennial plants as food. So, I'd love
[1:59:14] to see a little bit of rhubarb out there
[1:59:17] and asparagus and blueberry bushes. But
[1:59:20] I would start with one tree would be
[1:59:22] great because I miss those ash trees
[1:59:24] very much.
[1:59:26] Other thoughts and comments?
[1:59:29] Yeah. What kind of tree are you
[1:59:30] thinking?
[1:59:33] We might need a recommendation from the
[1:59:35] land conservation forestry.
[1:59:39] Well, on the one hand, apparently the
[1:59:41] oaks like red oak have the most food
[1:59:44] value um per tree, but then people
[1:59:47] generally don't like acorns on their
[1:59:49] lawn. But even planting that tree raises
[1:59:52] the question of a lot of things going
[1:59:54] on. You know, obviously with the ash
[1:59:57] that's changing, but some tree species
[1:59:59] are more suitable for where we're at,
[2:00:02] you know, now than they used to be. Um,
[2:00:04] so even picking that tree,
[2:00:07] I think a rationale could be stated in
[2:00:10] the context of the times we live and
[2:00:12] where we live.
[2:00:15] Right on. Makes sense to me. Other other
[2:00:17] comments.
[2:00:19] Uh, Liz, I think a nice apple tree.
[2:00:25] Maybe we can do more than one. Um, the
[2:00:28] other thing I noticed that, you know,
[2:00:29] out front there's this his history
[2:00:31] display.
[2:00:34] uh that's been sponsored by what
[2:00:35] Culver's I think
[2:00:38] and uh we might think about trying to do
[2:00:41] something similar to that that would be
[2:00:43] a display out in front of the courthouse
[2:00:45] like that to make people aware of the
[2:00:47] comprehensive plan.
[2:00:49] Um and we ought to be brainstorming
[2:00:52] other ways of of raising consciousness
[2:00:55] that this is going on because we're not
[2:00:56] going to get anybody to come to public
[2:00:58] hearings or public participation if they
[2:01:00] don't know what's going on. I really
[2:01:02] like this deal that was created for the
[2:01:07] 26 version of the
[2:01:11] that's great. I mean cost a little money
[2:01:13] to put something like this together, but
[2:01:16] you know that's a real
[2:01:18] put up on the bulletin board kind of
[2:01:20] kind of thing if we could do something
[2:01:22] like that again. Yeah.
[2:01:26] What's
[2:01:28] 2026? I got that from
[2:01:32] So, other ideas for publicity, Pat?
[2:01:36] Well, I was going to suggest instead of
[2:01:37] the the planning committee, I was going
[2:01:40] to suggest the planning committee chair
[2:01:42] because he's the chair, the county
[2:01:44] administrator,
[2:01:46] he's the administrator, the grant
[2:01:48] writer, because one important reason for
[2:01:50] having a plan is if you want to apply
[2:01:52] for grants, it's good to have it in the
[2:01:54] plan. And maybe that'll trigger some of
[2:01:56] the townships and folks to say, "Hey,
[2:01:58] I'll get more engaged than otherwise
[2:01:59] because hey, if we could apply for some
[2:02:01] grants and there's someone that might
[2:02:02] help us, that's attractive." And then I
[2:02:05] think Alyssa because she's Alyssa and
[2:02:07] she's extension and we're going to use
[2:02:10] extension to in the process and people I
[2:02:14] think often think of extension when they
[2:02:16] think of comp plans if they are familiar
[2:02:18] with this at all. So what are you
[2:02:21] signing us up to do? um to do the
[2:02:24] publicity stuff with a picture in the
[2:02:25] paper. But I seriously I think the I
[2:02:28] think that group would be strategically
[2:02:32] a good group to include. And I'll speak
[2:02:34] for myself at least. I'm not sure I
[2:02:36] would add anything to that picture that
[2:02:38] the rest of you wouldn't already add.
[2:02:42] That that's fun. And I think I my my
[2:02:45] motion is that um we should have a um
[2:02:48] beer and pizza party and come up with
[2:02:51] ideas on how to promote this. I I love
[2:02:54] the idea of a group picture because
[2:02:56] they're like, "Oh, Pat, he's represents
[2:02:58] me in the county and so does Bradley and
[2:03:01] you know all of you and that is a visual
[2:03:04] um stimulation. Plus a lot of you who
[2:03:07] are in the southern part of the county,
[2:03:09] the Glidden paper would pick that up.
[2:03:11] Morris would pick it up. melon paper,
[2:03:13] you know, I mean, you could really do
[2:03:15] something fun and jazzy even with
[2:03:17] photos, whether it's the tree
[2:03:19] eventually, but I do love the tree and
[2:03:22] actually I think three trees over the
[2:03:24] last 5 years have been cut down because
[2:03:25] we lost some pines.
[2:03:28] So my notion for the the tree publicity
[2:03:30] is that would be the pull committee and
[2:03:33] that also gives a chance to say such and
[2:03:36] such a person is leading the uh cultural
[2:03:39] resources and facilities element and
[2:03:41] such and such a person is leading the
[2:03:43] agriculture and forestry element. And so
[2:03:45] it identifies the people on the
[2:03:48] committee who and on the staff who are
[2:03:49] making contributions to this process and
[2:03:52] putting a real name and a pace to a to a
[2:03:56] an effort that the public can see. So I
[2:04:00] I'll talk to Dan about that and see if
[2:04:02] we make it happen. Pat. Well, as far as
[2:04:04] planting a tree, it's, you know, getting
[2:04:07] a little hard to come by at this point.
[2:04:10] And if you're buying one that's been
[2:04:13] bundled up and you might have a root
[2:04:15] ball that's rootbound, you know, some of
[2:04:18] these places if they don't sell a tree,
[2:04:20] they keep it another year and it's all
[2:04:21] rootbound, which isn't good as far as a
[2:04:23] survival rate of a tree. Um, so if we're
[2:04:26] going to get a tree, it's got to be we
[2:04:29] have to decide what tree and make sure
[2:04:30] it's a source where the survival rate is
[2:04:33] fairly high cuz some of these trees,
[2:04:36] there was some data out of the state
[2:04:37] forestry plan I was reading for my own
[2:04:40] stuff over the winter. I was a little
[2:04:42] surprised at the survival rates of some
[2:04:45] of these municipal trees that are
[2:04:47] planted. It's not so great. So, we want
[2:04:49] to pick the tree we want and then make
[2:04:52] sure it's a good source. we have a high
[2:04:53] chance of surviving. Maybe Chris Hoffman
[2:04:56] could give us some input on trees. I've
[2:04:59] noticed around the town just driving
[2:05:00] today that there are a number of new
[2:05:01] trees being planted around the city of
[2:05:03] Ashland and u out of Msaskki Beach uh in
[2:05:07] town here and uh in my view is you hire
[2:05:11] a nursery to bring in a a fairly large
[2:05:14] you know uh six-year-old tree and be
[2:05:19] actually do the planting of it and the
[2:05:21] committee's therefore to celebrate the
[2:05:23] planting of it rather than actually
[2:05:25] doing shovel and watering work.
[2:05:30] even though we have some experts on the
[2:05:31] committee. Uh Erica, I I would be happy
[2:05:34] to write the press release on that. Um I
[2:05:38] I think we'd want to think about the
[2:05:40] length of it. Um maybe even including,
[2:05:45] you know, if we have a finalized grant
[2:05:47] agreement. Um, if we want to list who's
[2:05:50] leading each subcommittee, then that's
[2:05:52] getting kind of long, like talking about
[2:05:54] the plan, talking about the tree,
[2:05:55] talking about the grant, talking about
[2:05:57] So, we could roll it out over a couple a
[2:06:00] couple of, you know, press releases over
[2:06:02] the next couple of months. Um, but I
[2:06:06] would also put a plug in for Mary Joe
[2:06:07] and her people in in giving us a vetted
[2:06:10] list of ideas for trees because they
[2:06:13] have the tree sale, they have the
[2:06:14] expertise. I think that's actually
[2:06:16] probably better than forestry at this
[2:06:17] point. I would suggest just in the press
[2:06:20] release refer to the a web page that has
[2:06:24] some of the information we want to do in
[2:06:25] there. Anyway, I um so I got a call from
[2:06:29] Tom Stankard yesterday who's the editor
[2:06:32] for Daily Press. He he wanted to ask me
[2:06:34] about the demon Saturday demonstration
[2:06:37] uh which I was very careful about
[2:06:38] commenting upon. But um I mentioned to
[2:06:41] him about the the comprehension plan
[2:06:43] process going on forward and we need to
[2:06:46] get ways raise public awareness and he
[2:06:48] was uh right on board with that. So I
[2:06:52] think we ought to get decent cooperation
[2:06:54] out of Lisa Daily Press. Haven't talked
[2:06:55] to anybody at Bottom line yet or some of
[2:06:57] these other publications but it's a good
[2:06:59] start.
[2:07:01] Other comments uh ideas thoughts on
[2:07:05] publicity?
[2:07:07] If not, we move on to scheduling the
[2:07:10] next meeting. I have that proposed here
[2:07:12] for July 15.
[2:07:15] Uh,
[2:07:17] it's just a pencil and date. We could
[2:07:19] see if we actually get a quorum on that
[2:07:20] date, but it seemed like a good one to
[2:07:22] me. I think that's again, it's a Tuesday
[2:07:24] at 2 o'clock in the afternoon.
[2:07:29] I I'll just let you know that uh I
[2:07:32] recently have a staff member leaving so
[2:07:35] that I'm going to be short staffed and
[2:07:36] that might mean that I'm gone uh and
[2:07:38] will not be able to make day day
[2:07:40] meetings during the month of July. So,
[2:07:42] okay, other thoughts, comments? Okay.
[2:07:45] So, I'm going to pencil that in and have
[2:07:47] that put on the calendar for now. And
[2:07:50] then I would like to also just have the
[2:07:54] the calendar pencileled in for um the
[2:07:57] second Tuesday of each month at that
[2:08:00] time and then we'll just have to work
[2:08:02] around those pencileled in dates. Is
[2:08:05] there any objection to that process?
[2:08:08] Second.
[2:08:13] Uh see is the 15th the second or the
[2:08:15] third?
[2:08:18] It isn't. Okay. Well, then I ought to go
[2:08:21] with the uh with the third, I guess. Let
[2:08:23] me look at the calendar here. Maybe I
[2:08:27] some reason.
[2:08:31] Oh, boy. See here.
[2:08:34] Uh July,
[2:08:38] August.
[2:08:48] Okay. Okay. So, the third third I'll
[2:08:50] pencil in the third then,
[2:08:54] right?
[2:08:56] Okay. Any other um
[2:08:59] discussion? We have uh item number seven
[2:09:02] is a second public comment period.
[2:09:06] Is there anybody for public comment
[2:09:08] online? Not seeing anybody. No one
[2:09:10] present. We're going to move on to item
[2:09:13] number eight, which is committee review
[2:09:16] of public comments, but there were no
[2:09:18] public comments, so I don't think we
[2:09:19] have anything to say there. Pat. Well,
[2:09:22] as far as penciling in dates, the county
[2:09:24] keeps the calendar and then as
[2:09:27] committees schedule meetings, they look
[2:09:28] at the calendar to see what's open. And
[2:09:31] so I think the question is when we're
[2:09:33] talking about penciling in, are we
[2:09:35] actually setting those in the county
[2:09:37] calendar so that this room is set aside
[2:09:40] then and we don't have other meetings
[2:09:43] potentially getting scheduled during
[2:09:45] that time? Yeah. My intention is to get
[2:09:47] them on the county calendar. So that's
[2:09:49] what pencing put them on the county
[2:09:50] calendar but for members of committee to
[2:09:52] understand that they could be they could
[2:09:55] could be changed if we need to change
[2:09:56] them. you can put it on the calendar
[2:09:58] because you you know up until a week in
[2:10:02] advance of the meeting you can change
[2:10:03] the date or you can cancel the meeting.
[2:10:08] Well,
[2:10:09] when I look at September, I've got a
[2:10:12] county board meeting that morning, but
[2:10:16] we're we're looking at meeting at 2:00
[2:10:18] in the afternoon. Sometimes finance or
[2:10:20] zoning have been meeting in the
[2:10:22] afternoon, which I'm on and Brad's on
[2:10:25] finance. Um, so if we by penciling in if
[2:10:30] if we're actually going to have on the
[2:10:31] county calendar these dates popping up
[2:10:34] then as we because right now I need to
[2:10:36] talk to Brad about scheduling a finance
[2:10:38] meeting and I need to know what's
[2:10:41] available, what isn't. Um, I mean, do we
[2:10:45] want to go out to the end of the year
[2:10:46] and and pencil, you know, on the
[2:10:49] calendar schedule the third Tuesday or
[2:10:52] what is it whatever day of the week? My
[2:10:55] my view is that um yes, I I'd like to
[2:10:58] get our bid in for these times and
[2:11:00] dates. I think um if they need to be
[2:11:03] changed that Gary could make that call
[2:11:05] about what's the priority. Uh but I I
[2:11:08] would like to uh you know raise our hand
[2:11:10] and say we we'd like to have these time
[2:11:12] slots. So the third Tuesday of each
[2:11:15] month without looking at Thanksgiving
[2:11:17] and Christmas here. Um,
[2:11:22] that's I think it works on all months
[2:11:24] actually. That's the 18th of November.
[2:11:26] It will work out really well because
[2:11:28] it's the I think the
[2:11:32] the uh county board, didn't it? They
[2:11:35] just set like the last one, the fourth
[2:11:38] except in September. It's the it's the
[2:11:41] fourth Tuesday of every month going
[2:11:43] through and so ex other than September,
[2:11:46] the third Tuesday works. I would suggest
[2:11:49] that we go ahead and think about a
[2:11:51] different time because I can't take the
[2:11:53] whole day off. We have a nine o'clock
[2:11:54] and then a two o'clock. I just can't do
[2:11:56] that. Yeah. So, I I would say September,
[2:11:58] we either go the 2nd or the 4th and uh
[2:12:03] but other than that, go ahead and do it.
[2:12:05] If I get stuff on my calendar, there's a
[2:12:07] better chance I don't schedule something
[2:12:09] else over it. There's always going to be
[2:12:11] conflicts with me, but there's a better
[2:12:14] chance that I can make it if it's on my
[2:12:15] calendar further in advance.
[2:12:18] So that's why I have to schedule my
[2:12:20] vacation
[2:12:21] into May, early June now. It's already
[2:12:24] scheduled for next year. I don't know
[2:12:25] what I'm doing, but it's already
[2:12:26] scheduled.
[2:12:30] Okay.
[2:12:36] So definitely be reconsidered at our
[2:12:38] next meeting in July that this whole
[2:12:41] idea of future meetings. Well, just I I
[2:12:43] just wanted to understand when we say
[2:12:45] pencil in in my writing on my calendar,
[2:12:47] penciling it in, but if it's not showing
[2:12:49] up on the county calendar, others could
[2:12:51] schedule a meeting sometimes of which
[2:12:53] I'm on that too. And then yeah, I list I
[2:12:57] can only be in one place at one time. I
[2:13:00] intend to put I intend to put these on
[2:13:03] the county calendar with the
[2:13:04] understanding that, you know, you can
[2:13:06] change it. Okay.
[2:13:13] comments
[2:13:19] to share.
[2:13:21] Okay, Gary comments.
[2:13:28] Sorry, summary comments. Gary, anything
[2:13:30] to be added? Uh, no, not at this time.
[2:13:33] Thank you. And Okay. your
[2:13:35] recommendations for future agenda items.
[2:13:38] Anybody have something they specifically
[2:13:40] want to put on the agenda? Lisa, can we
[2:13:42] roll over that one about your um photo
[2:13:46] op? Because that'll be a July meeting
[2:13:49] with regional planning coming on in
[2:13:51] August that might be a nice prepper. And
[2:13:53] then maybe in August when regional
[2:13:56] planning comes on there's something else
[2:13:57] jazzy that you could do part two or
[2:14:01] you know
[2:14:03] other suggestions for future agenda.
[2:14:05] Erica I would just suggest that we stick
[2:14:08] to the calendar um the the scope of work
[2:14:12] has month three as setup plan update web
[2:14:16] page. So maybe we
[2:14:18] work toward that and make sure that that
[2:14:21] is on board by the next meeting. Uh it
[2:14:24] also adds engage local units of
[2:14:27] government
[2:14:28] and then issue press releases announcing
[2:14:31] plan.
[2:14:32] Um so we're we are doing all of that but
[2:14:36] maybe just make sure that we've we've
[2:14:38] worked toward it and then we're kind of
[2:14:40] checking it off at that meeting.
[2:14:46] So, get your haircuts the day before the
[2:14:48] meeting. Any other uh suggestions for
[2:14:51] the next meeting? Uh if not, can I
[2:14:55] entertain a motion to adjurnn? Brad so
[2:14:58] moved. Mr. Ray moves to adjurnn. Second,
[2:15:01] please. That will second. Mr. Kenny
[2:15:03] moves a second. Discussion.
[2:15:06] All in favor say I. Any opposed?
[2:15:10] Meetings adjourned to the public access
[2:15:12] session. Uh if there are any public
[2:15:14] wanting to talk to