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Call the meeting to order

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at 10:01 a.m.

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just for a second because they
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to right.

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was and

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All right, the meeting was
called to order at 10:01 a.m.
This is

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the Human Relations Commission
meeting of the City

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of Atlanta, today's date is
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March 4th, 2026.

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All right, next we're gonna move
forward with a roll call

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If we could start with
Commissioner Hunt Blackwell,
just state

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your name. Sarah

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Hunt Blackwell present Tony
Burke's present.

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Kevin Marshall present.
Personnel present

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Gabriel Clayborne Crescent. All
right, we'll next move to

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the statutory purpose of the
commission. That'll be done by

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our vice chair. The city of
Atlanta

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council created the Human
Relations Commission as a
vehicle

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for addressing illegal
discrimination in

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public accommodations, private
employment and housing within

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the city, the prohibited forms
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discrimination involve race,
color, creed, religion, sex

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marital status, parental status,
familial status

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sexual orientation, national
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gender expression, age,
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Alright, perfect. Next we'll
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the March meeting agenda, which
everyone should have in front

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of them. Do we have a motion to
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Motion to approve. Second, All
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in favor? Aye. Are those opposed

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? Any abstentions We've approved

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the March meeting agenda. Now
it's time

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for the review and acceptance of
February's minutes

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I sent those out to the
commissioners via email

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Um, do we have a motion to
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minutes or any amendments that
need to be made. Propose
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Um, I'm proposing an amendment.
I made some

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um some updates last night, uh,
that I can recirculate. Perfect.
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All right. Are you gonna email
those to us, sir

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? Alright, perfect.

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And while we're getting those

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documents circulated. Is there
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by chance?

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All right? Yes

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OK. Do we want to just move
forward with public comment

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while we're waiting. All right,
let's go ahead and move forward
with public comment. Can I have

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the first individual just come
to the podium, please, and state
your

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first and last name. And please
note, Chairman

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the time that they have for
public comment. Yes, thank you
so much. You have 2 minutes

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for public comment, OK? And that
starts when you begin speaking,
all right?

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All right. You're free to go. My
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Fern Scott. I am an owner at

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the Landmark Condominium at 215

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Piedmont Avenue. In addition to
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being here, Miss, uh, Zita
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is here, um, and another young
lady, Crystal

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who will speak um on her own, um
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few minutes. The reason I am
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I want to make the committee
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is going on in terms of

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safety concerns for anybody at
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landmark condominium, but my
greatest fear

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as a senior is some of the
things that are transpiring

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right now in our facility. I

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have bought very graphic
pictures of

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what is going on at the landmark
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would be important to share
those. Can they be

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circulated, or should I hold
them up? I actually have a quick
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for you, and we could pause the
time if we can, Amaria. So we
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uh, there is a hearing scheduled
today for Landmark. There

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was notice letter sent out to
the individuals. You

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may have been one of those
individuals. Did you receive a
notice letter for

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the hearing. I did indeed. So
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the hearing is scheduled for
today, we could see those
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but I ask that you hold them
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starts momentarily. I'll be more
than happy to hold him if

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that's the proper protocol. Yes,
ma'am. OK

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And then everybody else is more
than welcome if you'd

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like to have a public comment,
you can, but if it's related to
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I'll just ask you to hold it
until we start the case here
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Alright? That would be great. OK
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for public comment now? OK

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Hearing none

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we do, we didn't receive an
email

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from Commissioner Hunt Blackwell
regarding the minutes if we
could just take a

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moment to review those and see
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have any proposed amendments

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to those.

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Can I, can I ask Madam Secretary
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point out specifically what it
was. I read the minutes before
and I was OK with them. I

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just want to know exactly what,
uh, has been adjusted, if

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you don't mind doing that, that
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Absolutely. Um, I actually just
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formatting changes, um, moved
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um bullet points back. um, that
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the Herod case and the Edgerson
Pattaway case

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added a note under section K for

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new cases, um, that I was adding
the new applications

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um, and new cases to the
spreadsheet. Those are the

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only changes. The only thing

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that I see, uh, commissioner, as
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under the vice chair's updates.
D&E

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um, it looks like those
sentences just

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aren't uh complete on this
documentary. Yeah.

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That was my observations.

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I'm just continuing to take a
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at the

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remaining portions of the
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I don't see anything else with
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what I've pointed out, does any
other commissioner see anything

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that needs to be amended.

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And if you need more time, just
let me know.

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Sir, let me ask you this for D&E
do you know what that would

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have said or what the amendment
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be. I amended, um, updates to
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document should occur throughout
March and April. OK

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do not

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I do not know what what the end
of D would have I

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would have been um D would've

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been uh, there's a the

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statute as it's currently
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say who, uh, is supposed to com
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which commissioner. So I think
they, they legal had to work out

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or we were supposed to get with
legal and figure out who

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gets the additional appointment
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the commissioners who did the
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made it. That's that's what. I
thought that's what it was, but
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wasn't for sure. OK, thank you.
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do we have a motion to approve
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those amendments. I move that we
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uh February minutes, uh, as
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Second all those in favor

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? All those opposed? Any
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the February minutes are
approved. Up next on

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the agenda is the hearing for
Nadir Penjwani et

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al versus Landmark Condominium

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Moners Association Board. I'm
gonna do a roll call as it
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to the complainants. If you're
here, uh, when I say your name

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please just stand up and just
say present so that we have it

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for the record. Um, when

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you come to the mic to say it.
We are just as

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an announcement for folks here,
we are recording today's hearing

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We just always like to let you
know that that is occurring.

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All right, Nadir Panjwani

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Alright, and just for the record
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commission did receive

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last night, basically yesterday
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received an email from Nair
Panjwani asking

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the commission to dismiss her
complaint

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without prejudice, uh, which
basically means she doesn't want

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to move forward with her hearing

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today as a body, we do have the
ability, well, we do need

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to vote so that there's finality
or closure as it

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relates to that. Is there a
motion

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uh, to dismiss her case without
prejudice, without prejudice
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she can bring the case at a
later time. Oh.

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like to. Sure.

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well, so we're not in public
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I'm part of Are

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you Panjwani? I am not Nadir
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not the the lead over this

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case. So hold on for one second.
So that being said,

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there's still other cases that
can move forward, but she just
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hers be dismissed. So we have to
vote on that as a

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commission. Well we're part of
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the umbrella. We're with the the
landmark, so that the purposes

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of me saying that is So at

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this point in time, because
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we can't hear public comment,
but the remainder of the cases

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will be able to move forward. Uh
we would just be closing

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her case. OK, it's a man, by the
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um, Nadia Panjuwai is a man.
He's a man. OK

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you're welcome. It's fine. Um,
so are you saying

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that high? Are you saying that
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can still give our Yes, thank
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thank you, thank you. You're
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forward with the motion to
dismiss Nadir Panjawani's

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case without prejudice. Is there
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move to dismiss that the case
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Is there a second? All those in

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favor? All those opposed? Any

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abstentions? Alright, that case
has been dismissed without

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prejudice. Crystal Augustine, is
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All right, thank you Hey ma'am,
would you like

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to move forward with your
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Yes. Yes, OK, thank you.

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Bern Scott

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Present. Thank you so much.
Would you like to move forward
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today? All right. Thank you. And
the reason why we're having
everybody come up to

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the microphone is that this
proceeding is being recorded, so

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we want to make sure that we get
your statements on the

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record. Jeffrey Cave

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absent.

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Was it Nicky Bugs

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All right, would you like to
move forward with your hearing
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And Zeta Stanley Sartor.

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Do we have a, uh, Candice, do we
have a mic

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that's movable by chance? OK,
just

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here. All right, would you like
to move forward with your

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hearing today? I am not going to
be able to

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speak because of fear of
retribution. Yes

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ma'am. So are you, are you
asking that we move forward with
it? Are you asking that

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the matter be dismissed or how
would you like for us to

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proceed? OK,. Is there a motion

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to dismiss the case of Zetta
Stanley Satter?

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Moved to dismiss the case of

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Zettaani Tarter. All right, do
we have a second? Second

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All those in favor? Aye. All
those opposed

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? Any abstentions? Do we have a
representative

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from Landmark Condominium
Homeowners Association Board
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All right, Seno representative.
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looks like we're moving forward
with the hearing for

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Crystal Augustin

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Bern Scott and Nicky Bugs.

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at this point in time, we will
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opening statements. I ask you,
it's up to

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you all since they're
technically different cases. I

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I would like if there could be
one individual potentially to
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an opening statement on behalf
of the group. I think that would
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most productive Is there

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a representative that could
potentially speak on behalf of
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for opening statements. Chair,
point of privilege, let's
announce

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the timing um before we

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ask folks to come up so that
they can just organize

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themselves appropriately. Thank
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All right, so for opening
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traditionally the complaint gets
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So for those if you wanna break
them up, you can if you want to

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have a representative just speak
on behalf of the group for those
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could do that as well. They can
also

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have an individual opening
statement for

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each case if you desire. That is
also part of the structure. And

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then for each witness, I would
go ahead and tell them

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And then for each witness that's
called, uh, you

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have 10 minutes in all to
present, uh, those witnesses.

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We are also happy to answer any
questions, just to make sure the
process

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feels clear.

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Do y'all wanna take a second to
kind of huddle and decide how

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to move forward. OK.

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she's got. OK.

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Oh OK. Thank you

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me

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is about

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I see has.

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and make the

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would be like to establish
something

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All right, so it's

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10:17. We'll give until 10:19, a
couple

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more minutes just to decide how
you all want to present the

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opening. Stand by. All right.

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OK

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graphic It's

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like OK. this

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is

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Stimulant

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I see chances in.

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Yes it's fine and you'll have
that future.

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Yeah If you don't want you Yeah

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problem

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Oh my.

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All right, it's 10:19. Do we
have a

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consensus for how you want to do
the opening statement?

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Your timekeeper is sitting to
your right, and

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she will have a buzzer that will
let you know when

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time has has expired.

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right, right, good morning. Uh,
thank you very much

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for having us. This has been an
ongoing battle for the

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last 5 years, speaking in front
of the city

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the Senate, and what have you.
Also speaking in front of

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the media and trying to get this
handled before it

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had gotten this far. At this
point, we

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have 200 units in the building,
and

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from there there may be about 10
of us left in the building.

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from being pushed out um via
investor.

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property investors. So basically
what we're highlighting

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today is uh the disparities and
unsafe conditions and

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retaliatory actions that
residents are facing in

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the landmark condominium at this
point. We

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realize that World Cup is coming
in and some, you know, really

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big events and the option at
this point

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is that they want the building

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and the main thing is just, you
know, so that they can. get the

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rest of the, the homeowners out,
if you

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will, and, and then take over
the building. So that's where we
are and this has been

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an ongoing battle for the last 5
years

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We had a resident that died
during

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this fight. We had a husband
that died during

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this fight. We had a parent that
died

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during this fight.

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So we asked that, um, and we
humbly

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respect your time. We want to do

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our best to explain without
getting into

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the minutiae because there's a
great deal of it to share, but

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there's a great deal of
information are

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proposed to what is transpired,
and it's strictly

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pertains to the safety and the
welfare

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and the well-being of the
homeowners of the

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landmark condominium and the few
of us that are left and are

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being targeted. All right, is
that your opening statement?
That is

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my opening statement. I clarity.
I want

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to make sure that this is on the
record and the commissioners
hear this

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as well, with the individuals
that are moving forward with the

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hearing today, uh, Crystal Fern
as well

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as Nicky, can you state the

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protected classes, uh, that you
believe that you're a part of,
that you

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believe you were discriminated
against for those classes so

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that we know going in what to be
on the

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lookout for. I am a homeowner
and then the

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protective classes are the
homeowner residents a

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long-term homeowner residents
and the seniors in the building.
So we have people

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that lived in a building for
well over 15 years.

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and this, this was their forever
home. OK, is that

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for the other complaints as well
That

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is Thank you so much. At this
point in time

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we'll now hear the uh
presentation of the case

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I'm sorry, could you say that
again, please? Yeah, at this
point

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in time we're now hear the
presentation of

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the case. You get 30 minutes for
the presentation of

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the case. You're free to speak,
you're free to call witnesses

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during that time period, but you
have 30

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minutes collectively to present
whatever case you'd like to in
front of

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the commission. Roger that.
Thank you very much.

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I'll give you about 5 minutes
just to prepare, OK?

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Thank you So it's 10:22

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23, 24 to 56, 27. Maria

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can you let me know when it's
10:27

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please.

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to of butter

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Yeah, we, the first.

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I think. Len

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more Caramels Atlanta.

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that I that I miss what you're
trying to do.

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needs to be stupid but

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I feel like the communism. I

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I. this and that.

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but I, I actually feel

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me.

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Is this like down tackle this

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kind of between midtown and
downtown. I

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I think yeah, yeah, so.

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you.

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once was

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since we have rules of time down
the conci er ge

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and move the opportunity the way
that commentate

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insecurity and in the commodity

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because um all those bars
looking at it and the water

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and you didn't have this

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I think that's I need that
problem so we

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understand you for.

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you you just.

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If you want, and it's up to you
guys. I

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I just here, but it's where you
start, but

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I don't want that It is.

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great I don't

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I. I want to go

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but and

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that it so.

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yeah, so yeah and this, but it's

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and we all take up, up there
with that, but we have
definitely

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because it's, that's how when I
broke the case

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I was in a bit too that that we
went to

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visit with her many times.

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We have to take that name that's
who who need to be done and we
just said

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which just

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and extreme. did not

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do that um just now we're all

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part of the discrimination to
see that this can't

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this signs reporting, it just
makes my business

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right, um. yes,

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to children. That's OK. Right,
20

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25 So you just say you just

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lot of.

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She knows the state system.

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I bit this of that

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I mean, yes. No problem.

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I to sleep sometimes, you know
this

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sometimes just to

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d in

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Of course. um

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No, I, I I

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she's I see just I.

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No, but I

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she was for home.

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what you

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do here. hurt me off

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next week. What the best of the
way we looked at me and that's

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so used to be All right

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we have about one more minute.
Thank you.

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right

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So

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the Yeah

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and like do

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yeah Mhm.

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she's 3 She's the

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We

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She's gonna follow you when

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really

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All right, the time is now 10:27
a.m. Is there

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a consensus for how the case in
chief will be presented?

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Yes. OK. Also

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uh, for the record, I'm I'm
pulling up

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the remaining complaints
complaint forms. I just

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wanna make sure that the
commissioners know going in with
the

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actual protected classes were.
Crystal, you

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uh submitted your complaint form
You said that disability was the

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protected class that you believe
you were discriminated

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uh, for. Is that still the
protected class that

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you're alleging? Yes, OK.

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Just bear with me. I'm, I'm
going through the

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complaint forms. Bern Scott,
looks like

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the protected class that you
listed on the complaint form

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was age. Is that correct? OK.

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And then Nikki, on your uh
complaint form, I

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think you listed financial
exploitation and

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selective discrimination, uh,
which are, are not necessarily

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protected classes in the city of
Atlanta are are those the claims
that remember

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you said something about seniors
or age, a moment

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ago, but I just want to clarify
for the record what

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protected class. uh, it will be
the discrimination

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for seniors and then age, but
it's, again, it's

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it's a mazurka. Understood, OK.
Mr

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Chair. Yes. Is it possible for
me to restate the

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last part of the statutory
purpose that outlines the

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protected classes. You can, but
really it's gonna have to be
based off

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what their complaint forms said,
um, you could you could

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you could say it just so that
they're aware of it.

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The creative forms of
discrimination involve race,
color, creed

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religion, sex, marital status,
parental status

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familial status, sexual
orientation, national origin

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gender identity, gender
expression, age, disability

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and criminal history. All

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right, if we're ready to move
forward, you present your case
in chief.

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Good morning. All right, you get
30 minutes, we'll start the time
now. Thank

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you very much. Um, my name is

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Nikki. I am a homeowner, long

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term, long term homeowner of the
landmark

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condominium. I have a few
witnesses behind

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me. We like to go ahead and get
started, if

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you will. Um, I want to
highlight

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the seriousness of the disparity
on safe conditions, and

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a retaliatory actions, the
residents at the landmark
condominium

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are facing under the property

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um investor board. Safety and

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fear retaliations. The
homeowners feel unsafe due to

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the constant transient traffic
and

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short-term renters controlled by
the the property

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investors. Decades of

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24/7 concierge security. has
been removed from

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the building and the residents
are ultimately

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left vulnerable. Security
measures like

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butterfly system, which were
added are futile, and they've
been

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added for the benefit of the STR

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investors. Again, leaving the
homeowners there

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vulnerable. An unlicensed
property manager

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is verbally and physically
abusive

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often retaliating against
residents with unfettered
support.

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from the investor board The
building

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is effectively operating like a
motel

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creating, creating noise,
traffic, drugs, violence

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and unsafe conditions. Illegal
and

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unsafe activities, including
weed

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use vandalism, fights, stabbings
shootings

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other violent incidents

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transient behavior, homelessness
sleeping in the stairwells

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and throughout the building.

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It increases the homeowner's
concerns. We're not certain who

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is outside of our door when we
open our doors or when we

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go through the building. The
lack of adequate security

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and emergency protocols while
STR investors

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and visitors enjoy better
protective services and

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are treated. better than the
homeowners themselves.

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Financial abuses and legal
exploitations

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and retaliation. We have the
highest HOAs.

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in the jurisdiction. We're
paying upwards of

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$1500 a month. for gas

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electricity, and a double
billing of water.

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The ancient ways were raised 26%

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a combination of a few years.

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and that's what caused our HOAs
to

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to rise. A federal lawsuit filed
by

489
00:31:54,829 --> 00:31:57,632
an insurance company due to a
fire.

490
00:31:57,632 --> 00:32:01,536
The homeowners now have been
placed liable for that.

491
00:32:01,536 --> 00:32:04,138
that matter We had nothing to do
with

492
00:32:04,138 --> 00:32:06,708
the fire. The fire did not take
place in our personal unit. It
took place

493
00:32:06,708 --> 00:32:09,243
in a private office. with a

494
00:32:09,243 --> 00:32:12,814
private company

495
00:32:12,814 --> 00:32:15,383
The building is run as shared
like a

496
00:32:15,383 --> 00:32:18,086
motel prioritizing investor
profits over resident

497
00:32:18,086 --> 00:32:21,823
welfare. Homeowners who actually

498
00:32:21,823 --> 00:32:24,392
uh further abuse throughout the
retaliatory measures

499
00:32:24,392 --> 00:32:27,161
poor communications and
transparency investor board

500
00:32:27,161 --> 00:32:29,697
rarely communicate with
homeowners.

501
00:32:29,697 --> 00:32:32,967
Decisions about funding,
maintenance policies are

502
00:32:32,967 --> 00:32:35,603
opaque. Homeowners are ignored

503
00:32:35,603 --> 00:32:38,406
marginalized, and retaliated
against when they advocate

504
00:32:38,406 --> 00:32:42,610
for their rights.

505
00:32:42,610 --> 00:32:45,346
STR investors and and

506
00:32:45,346 --> 00:32:48,916
visitors enjoy better property.
better benefits

507
00:32:48,916 --> 00:32:51,452
than the homeowners. We pay the
HOAs. We are

508
00:32:51,452 --> 00:32:55,990
the ones that are now at the end

509
00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:58,693
Emotional and community impact

510
00:32:58,693 --> 00:33:01,195
Homeowner's experience stress,
anxiety, fear

511
00:33:01,195 --> 00:33:05,133
for personal safety Retaliation

512
00:33:05,133 --> 00:33:07,702
as Maita shared. She's not going
to speak due

513
00:33:07,702 --> 00:33:11,139
to retaliation.

514
00:33:11,139 --> 00:33:14,008
because I spoke in front of city
council, several of us

515
00:33:14,008 --> 00:33:20,181
we received a xenophobic packet

516
00:33:20,181 --> 00:33:22,750
Yes

517
00:33:22,750 --> 00:33:25,520
a xenophobic packet, and we were
accused

518
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,524
of allegedly sending that to
them, which we did not.

519
00:33:29,524 --> 00:33:32,193
And in the letter, it's
specifically

520
00:33:32,193 --> 00:33:34,762
states that we need to come back
in front of city council

521
00:33:34,762 --> 00:33:38,499
and recant what we said.

522
00:33:38,499 --> 00:33:43,171
Dead bodies lynched black bodies

523
00:33:43,171 --> 00:33:45,973
That's what we got A

524
00:33:45,973 --> 00:33:49,510
month later, maybe a month and a
half.

525
00:33:49,510 --> 00:33:52,980
we received a defamation lawsuit

526
00:33:52,980 --> 00:33:57,251
with said xenophobic package
included.

527
00:33:57,251 --> 00:34:03,458
That's what we're living with

528
00:34:03,458 --> 00:34:06,094
I have exhibits here for you.

529
00:34:06,094 --> 00:34:10,264
Um, they're a bit graphic.

530
00:34:10,264 --> 00:34:12,967
and um I will hold on, I just
wanted pull them

531
00:34:12,967 --> 00:34:17,004
up for a second. We have people
that come through

532
00:34:17,004 --> 00:34:19,774
the building. unclothed

533
00:34:19,774 --> 00:34:23,678
you'll, you'll see it a little
bit closer.

534
00:34:23,678 --> 00:34:26,380
This is what we have coming
through the building. People in
front of

535
00:34:26,380 --> 00:34:30,218
the building. The landmark was a
prestige place

536
00:34:30,218 --> 00:34:33,321
The senators actually lived in
the building when they were in
session.

537
00:34:33,321 --> 00:34:36,791
We still have a few left, but
the senators, when they were

538
00:34:36,791 --> 00:34:39,861
in session, they were there.

539
00:34:39,861 --> 00:34:43,464
Isaac Hayes, um, uh, Willie Mays
we have several

540
00:34:43,464 --> 00:34:46,601
baseball players. What's the
other baseball player?

541
00:34:46,601 --> 00:34:51,105
Hank Aaron. Some great people
lived in the building

542
00:34:51,105 --> 00:34:55,743
because of the investor was
happening, that's what we have.

543
00:34:55,743 --> 00:34:59,247
People that come by ring the
doorbells. We all have

544
00:34:59,247 --> 00:35:02,416
doorbell cameras on our doors
now. We've all agreed to get
them.

545
00:35:02,416 --> 00:35:06,454
because we have no idea what's
going on in the building.

546
00:35:06,454 --> 00:35:11,526
These are kids, they're running
from door to door, ringing the
doorbells.

547
00:35:11,526 --> 00:35:15,363
kids

548
00:35:15,363 --> 00:35:18,199
this is a party that took place
in the building

549
00:35:18,199 --> 00:35:21,803
It was inside of a unit The
hallway was so

550
00:35:21,803 --> 00:35:27,141
the party was so full that they
it spilled out into the hallway.

551
00:35:27,141 --> 00:35:29,811
another heckler walking by doors
and

552
00:35:29,811 --> 00:35:32,947
licking his tongue. In

553
00:35:32,947 --> 00:35:35,550
the hallways of the stairwell,
it states specifically

554
00:35:35,550 --> 00:35:38,452
no smoking.

555
00:35:38,452 --> 00:35:44,859
The remnants of marijuana.

556
00:35:44,859 --> 00:35:47,795
cigarette ashes throughout the
stairwell and the and the
windows

557
00:35:47,795 --> 00:35:51,332
a syringe. This syringe stayed

558
00:35:51,332 --> 00:35:53,935
in the window for about 3 weeks.

559
00:35:53,935 --> 00:35:56,704
When it was there, we alerted
them then. No one

560
00:35:56,704 --> 00:36:00,308
did anything. There was a
stabbing.

561
00:36:00,308 --> 00:36:02,910
and an STR investor visitor got
into

562
00:36:02,910 --> 00:36:06,781
a fight with someone? and the
person started

563
00:36:06,781 --> 00:36:09,517
stabbing them. The person ran
down the hallway trying

564
00:36:09,517 --> 00:36:12,220
to get assistance, banging on
doors

565
00:36:12,220 --> 00:36:15,957
Eventually made it to the
hallway. His hands

566
00:36:15,957 --> 00:36:18,759
were so bloody that he could not
turn the doorknob.

567
00:36:18,759 --> 00:36:21,495
He eventually got a good grip.
The person stabbed him one

568
00:36:21,495 --> 00:36:25,833
more time and he stumbled down
the stairs.

569
00:36:25,833 --> 00:36:31,772
These are kids coming in to
party

570
00:36:31,772 --> 00:36:34,742
They eventually can't get into
the building. Somebody goes
through

571
00:36:34,742 --> 00:36:38,212
the exit door, they go through
the exit door. Had we

572
00:36:38,212 --> 00:36:41,249
done any of those things, there
would have been a fine.

573
00:36:41,249 --> 00:36:45,953
People sleeping in our lobby now

574
00:36:45,953 --> 00:36:49,490
We have a butterfly system,
codes the

575
00:36:49,490 --> 00:36:52,026
the homeowner's codes deactivate
it. where

576
00:36:52,026 --> 00:36:56,430
we can't get into the building

577
00:36:56,430 --> 00:36:59,467
Homelessness This is

578
00:36:59,467 --> 00:37:02,203
the landmark. This is our home.
This

579
00:37:02,203 --> 00:37:05,439
is where we come. and

580
00:37:05,439 --> 00:37:12,680
we live. The investors don't
live there.

581
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,716
This person's sleeping on the
floor. He got into the building

582
00:37:15,716 --> 00:37:19,620
He's always slept on the floor.
He

583
00:37:19,620 --> 00:37:23,324
his suitcase and his bottle of
whatever he's drinking.

584
00:37:23,324 --> 00:37:26,060
Somebody had to come out to that
We received

585
00:37:26,060 --> 00:37:28,729
double billing of water which

586
00:37:28,729 --> 00:37:32,300
has skyrocketed our HOAs, but
it's not because

587
00:37:32,300 --> 00:37:35,036
of the different use of water.
The, the, the fact that we're

588
00:37:35,036 --> 00:37:38,139
using more water, it is the fact
that they're constantly washing
clothes

589
00:37:38,139 --> 00:37:41,709
and linens and servicing their,
their, their

590
00:37:41,709 --> 00:37:44,312
and their properties We

591
00:37:44,312 --> 00:37:48,749
no longer have comment space
anymore

592
00:37:48,749 --> 00:37:51,419
Our basement has been taken over
by them. Our gym has been

593
00:37:51,419 --> 00:37:59,560
turned into a conference room.

594
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,063
One day they showed up and they
they

595
00:38:02,063 --> 00:38:06,367
started wearing t-shirts called
Our Landmark, the Employees.

596
00:38:06,367 --> 00:38:10,571
Our landmarks We live there

597
00:38:10,571 --> 00:38:13,140
That's our home They don't

598
00:38:13,140 --> 00:38:22,183
but they they've been wearing
t-shirts, our landmark.

599
00:38:22,183 --> 00:38:24,986
I no longer have mail sent to
the landmark because

600
00:38:24,986 --> 00:38:27,555
I had a document sent there

601
00:38:27,555 --> 00:38:30,825
and an an employee was generous
enough and that would

602
00:38:30,825 --> 00:38:33,427
be hearsay, but someone was
generous enough to

603
00:38:33,427 --> 00:38:35,997
share that. That was what was
happening in the history of

604
00:38:35,997 --> 00:38:38,733
the landmark that has never
occurred. You have meals sent to
your home, you

605
00:38:38,733 --> 00:38:43,170
have packages sent to your home,
and you retrieve them.

606
00:38:43,170 --> 00:38:46,640
Mailboxes broken into. And
additionally, they

607
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,310
uh, we were told that, oh no,
it's the the the people coming
in

608
00:38:49,310 --> 00:38:52,113
the visitors coming in.

609
00:38:52,113 --> 00:38:54,782
I, I've never known people to go
to a hotel and just

610
00:38:54,782 --> 00:39:01,155
break into mailboxes, unheard of

611
00:39:01,155 --> 00:39:04,859
This is the landmark We are part
of

612
00:39:04,859 --> 00:39:07,361
the skyline. where this little
building

613
00:39:07,361 --> 00:39:09,930
right here. where I'm prime

614
00:39:09,930 --> 00:39:12,466
real estate.

615
00:39:12,466 --> 00:39:16,237
beautiful location We have full

616
00:39:16,237 --> 00:39:20,775
view of going into Stone
Mountain, going into Buckhead.

617
00:39:20,775 --> 00:39:23,377
prime real estate This is a
gentleman

618
00:39:23,377 --> 00:39:26,414
that has, he's he's

619
00:39:26,414 --> 00:39:29,383
a visitor, rather, forgive me.
and we

620
00:39:29,383 --> 00:39:31,919
have homeowners that have
animals. and

621
00:39:31,919 --> 00:39:34,522
the animal, they would have to
go through the basement, carry
the

622
00:39:34,522 --> 00:39:37,191
animal through. This person did
not. He's walking the door

623
00:39:37,191 --> 00:39:40,895
straight through the front,
straight through the lobby. Had

624
00:39:40,895 --> 00:39:45,866
that been one of us we would
have received a fine

625
00:39:45,866 --> 00:39:48,402
This woman shows up for some
reason in front of

626
00:39:48,402 --> 00:39:52,440
my door.

627
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,009
I have no idea who she is

628
00:39:55,009 --> 00:39:58,112
So I sent an email

629
00:39:58,112 --> 00:40:00,848
to the investor board president
and

630
00:40:00,848 --> 00:40:04,085
I ask who is this person?

631
00:40:04,085 --> 00:40:08,522
No answer So when we contact

632
00:40:08,522 --> 00:40:11,192
the board, we have no answer.
Most of the time when we contact

633
00:40:11,192 --> 00:40:16,964
the unlicensed property manager,
we get no response.

634
00:40:16,964 --> 00:40:19,800
I received fines to give you a
retaliatory measure. I

635
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:24,004
received fines for helping
someone move a chair.

636
00:40:24,004 --> 00:40:28,008
And because they were after me

637
00:40:28,008 --> 00:40:30,945
I received a $1000 fine.

638
00:40:30,945 --> 00:40:33,781
I forwarded it over to that
homeowner.

639
00:40:33,781 --> 00:40:37,118
The homeowner shared with the
management

640
00:40:37,118 --> 00:40:40,254
that, that I was helping them.

641
00:40:40,254 --> 00:40:43,757
and in short, and paraphrasing
the manage the

642
00:40:43,757 --> 00:40:46,760
the unlicensed manager told her
to mind her business.

643
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:51,532
This has nothing to do with you

644
00:40:51,532 --> 00:40:55,136
We want to talk about, I want to
bring up Fern Scott. We'd

645
00:40:55,136 --> 00:40:57,905
like to talk about the

646
00:40:57,905 --> 00:41:00,641
additional disparities of what
we're going through

647
00:41:00,641 --> 00:41:04,178
as homeowners, as seniors

648
00:41:04,178 --> 00:41:06,814
as regular homeowners, as for
people that have disabilities,
we want

649
00:41:06,814 --> 00:41:09,316
to talk about that like to bring
up Fern Scott, please. And just

650
00:41:09,316 --> 00:41:12,887
a time check, how much time do
we have left?

651
00:41:12,887 --> 00:41:22,987
18 minutes. Thank you. You're
welcome.

652
00:41:32,072 --> 00:41:37,978
I have to take a deep breath

653
00:41:37,978 --> 00:41:41,048
I'm the homeowner that um

654
00:41:41,048 --> 00:41:46,921
Nikki spoke about who

655
00:41:46,921 --> 00:41:51,125
the spouse has passed away.

656
00:41:51,125 --> 00:41:56,597
One of the last things he said
to me was,

657
00:41:56,597 --> 00:42:00,901
when is this going to be over?

658
00:42:00,901 --> 00:42:05,472
Because I spend so much time

659
00:42:05,472 --> 00:42:08,008
battling these people and all

660
00:42:08,008 --> 00:42:11,512
the problems that we're having
in the

661
00:42:11,512 --> 00:42:14,081
landmark. So he left

662
00:42:14,081 --> 00:42:16,717
here probably extremely
concerned for me

663
00:42:16,717 --> 00:42:20,955
to be alone, um

664
00:42:20,955 --> 00:42:23,691
I fear not only for myself, I

665
00:42:23,691 --> 00:42:27,428
feel for Miss Sita. I

666
00:42:27,428 --> 00:42:29,997
fear for Nikki because I know
they retaliate

667
00:42:29,997 --> 00:42:32,533
against her. I want to know that

668
00:42:32,533 --> 00:42:35,035
she gets home safely. I

669
00:42:35,035 --> 00:42:38,539
have her text me sometimes to
make sure

670
00:42:38,539 --> 00:42:41,175
she's OK. If I don't hear from
her

671
00:42:41,175 --> 00:42:43,711
I worry about her. Because when
I received

672
00:42:43,711 --> 00:42:46,247
my retaliatory letter for
speaking in front of the council
and

673
00:42:46,247 --> 00:42:50,084
I don't like public speaking,
but I got the courage to go up
there

674
00:42:50,084 --> 00:42:52,786
and speak. And then I received

675
00:42:52,786 --> 00:42:55,289
a defamation letter. from

676
00:42:55,289 --> 00:42:58,692
the board for speaking

677
00:42:58,692 --> 00:43:02,029
Nicky wrote a great helped me
write a great letter.

678
00:43:02,029 --> 00:43:05,499
which thank goodness, um

679
00:43:05,499 --> 00:43:10,237
they didn't come back in sue me.

680
00:43:10,237 --> 00:43:15,342
and I appreciate that for Nicky,
but Nikki did get

681
00:43:15,342 --> 00:43:19,079
Thank you. Nikki did get the,
the lawsuit

682
00:43:19,079 --> 00:43:21,715
but she's, she's very courageous
Um, so I

683
00:43:21,715 --> 00:43:24,518
just want to say that

684
00:43:24,518 --> 00:43:28,122
I'm 71 years old and this is
just a lot and at

685
00:43:28,122 --> 00:43:30,624
this phase of life, to have

686
00:43:30,624 --> 00:43:33,294
to deal with. Now, my husband
was handicapped and so

687
00:43:33,294 --> 00:43:35,796
was Zita. The elevators go out
all the time. That's

688
00:43:35,796 --> 00:43:38,299
a huge safety issue. So my first
thought is when

689
00:43:38,299 --> 00:43:41,001
the elevators are out, if
something

690
00:43:41,001 --> 00:43:44,438
happens, is Zita gonna be able
to get out of the building.

691
00:43:44,438 --> 00:43:48,342
because they're out for extended
periods of time.

692
00:43:48,342 --> 00:43:51,045
Like Nikki said, if you don't
have a camera

693
00:43:51,045 --> 00:43:53,781
you can't just open your door
like we used to be able to

694
00:43:53,781 --> 00:43:57,284
do and walk out into the hallway
because

695
00:43:57,284 --> 00:43:59,787
you don't know who might be
there. You, you

696
00:43:59,787 --> 00:44:02,389
get on the elevator with these
individuals

697
00:44:02,389 --> 00:44:05,693
They're packed on the, they get
on the elevator with their
cocktails

698
00:44:05,693 --> 00:44:09,596
or whatever, and their behavior
is just

699
00:44:09,596 --> 00:44:13,000
terrible When you're coming into

700
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,602
the building and you're a senior
citizen, in

701
00:44:15,602 --> 00:44:18,138
the past, we had a concierge. So
when you come

702
00:44:18,138 --> 00:44:20,674
in the building and all these uh
short-term

703
00:44:20,674 --> 00:44:24,445
renters are coming up behind you

704
00:44:24,445 --> 00:44:27,581
They can um tailgate behind you.

705
00:44:27,581 --> 00:44:31,251
And if you say something that
they

706
00:44:31,251 --> 00:44:33,887
don't like or I'll say, oh, wait
let, I'm gonna put my

707
00:44:33,887 --> 00:44:38,325
code in and then you can enter
the building.

708
00:44:38,325 --> 00:44:42,463
they can get a little aggressive
OK?

709
00:44:42,463 --> 00:44:45,566
So the best thing to do is to be
very careful.

710
00:44:45,566 --> 00:44:49,236
which door you enter. Park, look
around

711
00:44:49,236 --> 00:44:52,005
make sure there's nobody around,
and enter a door where no one

712
00:44:52,005 --> 00:44:54,675
is coming in behind you because
if you come in the front, where

713
00:44:54,675 --> 00:44:58,112
they come in and there's 5 or 6
of them, first of all, they're

714
00:44:58,112 --> 00:45:00,881
gonna tailgate. They're gonna
hold the doors open and

715
00:45:00,881 --> 00:45:03,784
anybody, anybody can come in
that building at any

716
00:45:03,784 --> 00:45:07,421
point in time. And there's no
one there

717
00:45:07,421 --> 00:45:10,190
to protect you. There's no
concierge. So I cannot say don't
tailgate

718
00:45:10,190 --> 00:45:14,228
behind me. They can see your
code when you put it in.

719
00:45:14,228 --> 00:45:17,030
So people get the codes and they
can come in the building
whenever they

720
00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:19,533
get ready. So after their

721
00:45:19,533 --> 00:45:22,870
short-term rental is up, if the
homeowner of

722
00:45:22,870 --> 00:45:25,606
these STR companies have not
changed the code

723
00:45:25,606 --> 00:45:29,443
Somebody still has access to the
building.

724
00:45:29,443 --> 00:45:32,446
So I just want you to understand

725
00:45:32,446 --> 00:45:36,617
how frightening this is for a
senior citizen

726
00:45:36,617 --> 00:45:41,722
My mother owned in that building
32 years ago.

727
00:45:41,722 --> 00:45:45,292
And if I was concerned about my
mother. I knew the

728
00:45:45,292 --> 00:45:48,061
concierge on a first name basis,
and I could say Paul, can you

729
00:45:48,061 --> 00:45:50,798
go upstairs and check on Mom?
She's nodding answering. He'd go
up

730
00:45:50,798 --> 00:45:53,467
he'd check on her, she would
call me back and he

731
00:45:53,467 --> 00:45:56,637
would call me back and say she's
OK. There is

732
00:45:56,637 --> 00:45:59,139
no one to call, no one to help
us.

733
00:45:59,139 --> 00:46:01,909
And we have pleaded with the
city

734
00:46:01,909 --> 00:46:04,545
again and again and again. And I
just

735
00:46:04,545 --> 00:46:07,915
cannot believe. that this could

736
00:46:07,915 --> 00:46:13,220
go on and nobody cared, and
nobody helped.

737
00:46:13,220 --> 00:46:17,357
So that is what I wanted to
contribute to. Was there
anything else?

738
00:46:17,357 --> 00:46:20,127
ease cases

739
00:46:20,127 --> 00:46:23,597
providing them a mask to keep
mask to

740
00:46:23,597 --> 00:46:26,333
keep to your place that you buy.
and

741
00:46:26,333 --> 00:46:28,902
you pay for and what you do is

742
00:46:28,902 --> 00:46:31,438
you have to pay, you have to
fill out the

743
00:46:31,438 --> 00:46:35,242
phone and you know so providing
the master key, and then they

744
00:46:35,242 --> 00:46:37,778
can take their homes. Right

745
00:46:37,778 --> 00:46:40,547
That one really doesn't make
sense, does it? Yes, um, we have

746
00:46:40,547 --> 00:46:43,884
to give them a key to our unit
so that they have access

747
00:46:43,884 --> 00:46:46,653
if they feel like there's an
emergency going on, but you have
to pay for use

748
00:46:46,653 --> 00:46:49,223
for that key if you have an
emergency. You don't

749
00:46:49,223 --> 00:46:52,092
have your key and you need them
to unlock the door for you

750
00:46:52,092 --> 00:46:55,496
You have to pay for that. You
have to pay for everything

751
00:46:55,496 --> 00:46:58,131
Um, it, it, it, and the fines

752
00:46:58,131 --> 00:47:00,767
you don't get a warning. You
just get $1000 fine

753
00:47:00,767 --> 00:47:03,604
I think the attempt there is to
get

754
00:47:03,604 --> 00:47:06,640
at least, uh, maybe $2000 worth

755
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,276
of fines or, you know, lack of
payment in

756
00:47:09,276 --> 00:47:12,079
arrears. It doesn't, not your
HOAs. This is just a fine you

757
00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:15,382
got frivolous fine with no
warning, and they can

758
00:47:15,382 --> 00:47:17,951
put a lien on your property. So
they, you know

759
00:47:17,951 --> 00:47:21,054
there's ways that they are, are,
are going to be able at some
point, I guess

760
00:47:21,054 --> 00:47:23,891
to get all the rest of us
remaining homeowners

761
00:47:23,891 --> 00:47:27,094
um, out of the building. There's
there's only just a few of

762
00:47:27,094 --> 00:47:29,730
us left. I wouldn't still be in
this fight if it were not

763
00:47:29,730 --> 00:47:33,166
for Nikki. She's giving me the
courage to get up

764
00:47:33,166 --> 00:47:35,869
go every day or every other day,
City Hall, wherever we have

765
00:47:35,869 --> 00:47:38,605
to do, uh, insurance
commissioner

766
00:47:38,605 --> 00:47:41,308
anybody that we have to do to
try to fight this, because I
couldn't do

767
00:47:41,308 --> 00:47:47,381
this alone at my age. I could
not do this.

768
00:47:47,381 --> 00:47:50,250
So that's basically what I
wanted to say.

769
00:47:50,250 --> 00:47:54,154
All right, thank you so much.
How much time do we

770
00:47:54,154 --> 00:47:59,126
have remaining for 11 minutes
and 30 seconds.

771
00:47:59,126 --> 00:48:03,163
Hello. Just speak up a little
bit louder for me.

772
00:48:03,163 --> 00:48:05,732
Or try try to pull the mic up.
It's a little tough to hear

773
00:48:05,732 --> 00:48:08,402
you. OK. I

774
00:48:08,402 --> 00:48:11,838
am Crystal Augustin.

775
00:48:11,838 --> 00:48:14,508
and well I'll

776
00:48:14,508 --> 00:48:17,077
be speaking specifically about
the fire that happened

777
00:48:17,077 --> 00:48:20,814
in January 2024. And

778
00:48:20,814 --> 00:48:23,884
for context, I am a 3 time war

779
00:48:23,884 --> 00:48:27,387
veteran consecutive years, and

780
00:48:27,387 --> 00:48:32,826
um I had been diagnosed with
PTSD.

781
00:48:32,826 --> 00:48:39,700
anxiety disorder, agoraphobia,
and um

782
00:48:39,700 --> 00:48:43,036
living under these

783
00:48:43,036 --> 00:48:45,639
conditions to where

784
00:48:45,639 --> 00:48:50,243
my unit was literally right
above the fire.

785
00:48:50,243 --> 00:48:53,146
Um where my

786
00:48:53,146 --> 00:48:56,984
unit actually experienced a lot
of damage

787
00:48:56,984 --> 00:48:59,553
that till this day has not been
repaired.

788
00:48:59,553 --> 00:49:08,829
um

789
00:49:08,829 --> 00:49:11,431
ash covered nearly every surface

790
00:49:11,431 --> 00:49:14,768
I was forced to dispose much of
my

791
00:49:14,768 --> 00:49:17,304
furniture and to this day I'm
still living out

792
00:49:17,304 --> 00:49:20,040
of moving boxes. The window in

793
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,876
my unit had been shattered

794
00:49:22,876 --> 00:49:26,713
um, during the incident and has
never been replaced.

795
00:49:26,713 --> 00:49:29,449
I cannot open my windows for

796
00:49:29,449 --> 00:49:33,120
fresh air. And when I have
episodes

797
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,656
of acrophobia, that's typically
my

798
00:49:35,656 --> 00:49:38,425
way of getting outdoor air just

799
00:49:38,425 --> 00:49:40,961
by cracking my windows and

800
00:49:40,961 --> 00:49:44,031
um I can't do that. I haven't
been able to do that

801
00:49:44,031 --> 00:49:49,536
for 2 years now. Um.

802
00:49:49,536 --> 00:49:53,173
2 of the three central air

803
00:49:53,173 --> 00:49:55,709
conditioning units have
sustained electrical damage

804
00:49:55,709 --> 00:49:58,278
and they haven't fixed it, which
means during the

805
00:49:58,278 --> 00:50:02,582
winter months, I have no heat

806
00:50:02,582 --> 00:50:05,218
During the summer, I have no
cold air.

807
00:50:05,218 --> 00:50:15,318
I have like these portable fans.

808
00:50:18,398 --> 00:50:22,502
And at times, no hot water.

809
00:50:22,502 --> 00:50:25,505
Now, for much of that year, in
particular

810
00:50:25,505 --> 00:50:28,108
um, there were reoccurring

811
00:50:28,108 --> 00:50:31,311
carbon monoxide leaks in the
building, and there

812
00:50:31,311 --> 00:50:34,081
was no consistent ventilation
because I couldn't

813
00:50:34,081 --> 00:50:37,084
crack open my windows

814
00:50:37,084 --> 00:50:39,953
so some of the side effects I
would be sleeping

815
00:50:39,953 --> 00:50:42,789
all day and I never coincided

816
00:50:42,789 --> 00:50:45,525
it with the carbon monoxide
poisoning

817
00:50:45,525 --> 00:50:48,061
and I was told that, oh we've
evacuated the building, but

818
00:50:48,061 --> 00:50:51,465
no one told me, and I would just
be

819
00:50:51,465 --> 00:50:59,206
confined in my home, um.

820
00:50:59,206 --> 00:51:03,810
so with no clear evacuation
notices

821
00:51:03,810 --> 00:51:07,314
no meaningful interventions. I
believe

822
00:51:07,314 --> 00:51:11,685
that my life has been placed in
danger multiple times.

823
00:51:11,685 --> 00:51:14,454
and uh without

824
00:51:14,454 --> 00:51:17,190
assistance, without proper
repairs, and

825
00:51:17,190 --> 00:51:21,628
without relocation support, I
have literally

826
00:51:21,628 --> 00:51:24,164
been re-traumatized, so I would
have versus a

827
00:51:24,164 --> 00:51:30,437
few months of agoraphobia, like
I'm

828
00:51:30,437 --> 00:51:33,473
unable to work outside of my

829
00:51:33,473 --> 00:51:36,676
home and that has

830
00:51:36,676 --> 00:51:43,917
been trying for me. Uh

831
00:51:43,917 --> 00:51:46,486
So having

832
00:51:46,486 --> 00:51:49,322
been forced to survive in an
environment

833
00:51:49,322 --> 00:51:52,225
that feels unsafe

834
00:51:52,225 --> 00:51:54,828
as Nikki has mentioned with

835
00:51:54,828 --> 00:51:59,866
the photos, my floor is
disgusting.

836
00:51:59,866 --> 00:52:04,037
People bang on my doors. I don't
know who they are. I don't have
company

837
00:52:04,037 --> 00:52:08,608
so that again, reactivates my
anxiety.

838
00:52:08,608 --> 00:52:12,746
and I can't call for help when I

839
00:52:12,746 --> 00:52:15,415
call the um non-emergency 911,
no one comes

840
00:52:15,415 --> 00:52:22,289
out there.

841
00:52:22,289 --> 00:52:26,760
It's unstable, it's hazardous. I
haven't been able to

842
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,730
open the kitchen lights because
again

843
00:52:30,730 --> 00:52:35,101
electrical damage, like that
whole side is

844
00:52:35,101 --> 00:52:37,838
in shambles. So I'm literally
living out of boxes in

845
00:52:37,838 --> 00:52:40,674
my own home. I had to get rid of
everything

846
00:52:40,674 --> 00:52:45,011
Um

847
00:52:45,011 --> 00:52:48,582
so

848
00:52:48,582 --> 00:52:51,251
I'm just asking this commission
to recognize that

849
00:52:51,251 --> 00:52:53,787
what has happened is not simply
a maintenance

850
00:52:53,787 --> 00:52:57,424
delay. It's prolonged neglect
and what

851
00:52:57,424 --> 00:53:00,360
I believe is discrimination. and
that

852
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:04,598
has endangered our health, our
safety, and

853
00:53:04,598 --> 00:53:07,133
our dignity and no residents
should be left

854
00:53:07,133 --> 00:53:10,070
to live, as though they are in a
war zone

855
00:53:10,070 --> 00:53:13,340
having experienced it firsthand

856
00:53:13,340 --> 00:53:17,010
uh, within their own home,
especially in America.

857
00:53:17,010 --> 00:53:20,080
Thank you Thank you so much. How
much

858
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,616
time is left for the case in
chief?

859
00:53:22,616 --> 00:53:25,385
6 minutes. All right, y'all have
6 minutes. Would you like to
utilize

860
00:53:25,385 --> 00:53:28,521
that time? Yes, please. OK.

861
00:53:28,521 --> 00:53:31,224
I forgot to mention that I

862
00:53:31,224 --> 00:53:33,760
have sent repeated letters to
the landmark. I

863
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,396
will email and the proper way to
do that, in addition

864
00:53:36,396 --> 00:53:38,899
to emailing, is to send
certified mail

865
00:53:38,899 --> 00:53:41,601
and they don't accept my
certified mail. It comes

866
00:53:41,601 --> 00:53:44,237
back. So I, I just waste money,
you know,

867
00:53:44,237 --> 00:53:47,274
10 $10 a pop, you know, sending

868
00:53:47,274 --> 00:53:49,843
certified mail, and they will
not accept our

869
00:53:49,843 --> 00:53:52,545
letters of complaint

870
00:53:52,545 --> 00:53:55,348
or letters sent to address

871
00:53:55,348 --> 00:53:57,984
certain situations, um, that
we're incurring

872
00:53:57,984 --> 00:54:00,687
Just wanted to make sure that I
put that in the record. I

873
00:54:00,687 --> 00:54:10,787
have a lot of these.

874
00:54:12,032 --> 00:54:14,768
I will do closing if you don't
mind, so that

875
00:54:14,768 --> 00:54:17,570
will have I will ask this uh
you're free

876
00:54:17,570 --> 00:54:21,007
to do your closing how you deem
appropriate if you're done with
the case

877
00:54:21,007 --> 00:54:23,677
in chief for closing its 5
minutes

878
00:54:23,677 --> 00:54:26,212
that you have in total. I would
like though

879
00:54:26,212 --> 00:54:29,115
my my request as the chair
because I wanna make sure

880
00:54:29,115 --> 00:54:31,751
everything is on record. I mean

881
00:54:31,751 --> 00:54:34,387
we have this is your shot to
kind of get out everything. I

882
00:54:34,387 --> 00:54:36,923
do want to specifically

883
00:54:36,923 --> 00:54:39,526
know from um each individual if
you can't give one or

884
00:54:39,526 --> 00:54:42,395
two minutes in your closing to
each person. I want

885
00:54:42,395 --> 00:54:45,065
to know based on what they
alleged in their complaint was
the reason they

886
00:54:45,065 --> 00:54:47,901
were discriminated against,
whether it be disability

887
00:54:47,901 --> 00:54:50,437
or age or a closing regarding

888
00:54:50,437 --> 00:54:53,406
that specifically. OK? Stand by.
OK, sure.

889
00:54:53,406 --> 00:54:56,977
I'll give you a couple of
minutes to do that and we'll
come back

890
00:54:56,977 --> 00:55:06,252
in about 10:57. Thank you.

891
00:55:06,252 --> 00:55:08,755
I You'll also

892
00:55:08,755 --> 00:55:11,458
be crying Yes. children

893
00:55:11,458 --> 00:55:15,495
have

894
00:55:15,495 --> 00:55:19,499
I guess would have folded up
line

895
00:55:19,499 --> 00:55:29,599
Yeah

896
00:55:35,348 --> 00:55:37,917
All right, you can show whatever

897
00:55:37,917 --> 00:55:42,288
Thank you

898
00:55:42,288 --> 00:55:46,526
That

899
00:55:46,526 --> 00:55:51,398
people.

900
00:55:51,398 --> 00:55:55,668
That's, let's see

901
00:55:55,668 --> 00:55:58,304
all

902
00:55:58,304 --> 00:56:04,511
did to get dressed you

903
00:56:04,511 --> 00:56:07,280
to this because you know

904
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,116
Yeah. still

905
00:56:10,116 --> 00:56:20,216
got a shape. I me

906
00:57:52,852 --> 00:57:55,588
All right, it's 10:57. Do we
have a consensus in terms of

907
00:57:55,588 --> 00:58:01,828
the closing statement?

908
00:58:01,828 --> 00:58:04,330
Uh, it's 10:57. Is there a
consensus for

909
00:58:04,330 --> 00:58:12,605
how you'd like to present the
closing statement?

910
00:58:12,605 --> 00:58:15,275
and we will start the timer now,
there's

911
00:58:15,275 --> 00:58:25,375
5 minutes for closing statements
Yes ma'am.

912
00:58:26,686 --> 00:58:29,355
It's a little bit difficult.
Let's let's see if there's

913
00:58:29,355 --> 00:58:38,298
a microphone issue. It's a
little difficult to hear you.

914
00:58:38,298 --> 00:58:44,370
We just pause the time mark.

915
00:58:44,370 --> 00:58:47,006
testing. I want to reiterate the
fact

916
00:58:47,006 --> 00:58:50,944
that age in this scenario is a
huge

917
00:58:50,944 --> 00:58:53,947
factor because I am fearful. I

918
00:58:53,947 --> 00:58:56,716
uh, because of my age and
several other seniors in

919
00:58:56,716 --> 00:58:59,219
the in the building. There are
two other seniors

920
00:58:59,219 --> 00:59:02,855
that come to mind, uh, that are
in

921
00:59:02,855 --> 00:59:05,425
their 80s. This is scary for us

922
00:59:05,425 --> 00:59:07,961
This is difficult. So it, it

923
00:59:07,961 --> 00:59:11,130
I think that they feel like it's
easy

924
00:59:11,130 --> 00:59:13,766
to intimidate us because of our
age. There it's

925
00:59:13,766 --> 00:59:16,469
hard for us, harder for us to
fight back. You

926
00:59:16,469 --> 00:59:19,005
it, a defamation letter sent to

927
00:59:19,005 --> 00:59:22,909
a senior citizen in their 80s.
That's gonna shut them down

928
00:59:22,909 --> 00:59:25,712
I guarantee you. They are not
gonna be able

929
00:59:25,712 --> 00:59:29,249
to retaliate. I'm not re
retaliate

930
00:59:29,249 --> 00:59:31,951
but respond to that. um, with,
without some help or

931
00:59:31,951 --> 00:59:36,089
some assistance. It's scary. and
I

932
00:59:36,089 --> 00:59:38,625
feel like because of my age,
Masita and some of

933
00:59:38,625 --> 00:59:41,261
the other people in the building
we're

934
00:59:41,261 --> 00:59:45,198
targeted because we're an easy
target. because

935
00:59:45,198 --> 00:59:47,767
uh, you know, even something as
simple as

936
00:59:47,767 --> 00:59:50,303
saying that we cannot pay

937
00:59:50,303 --> 00:59:54,240
our HOA fees by check anymore

938
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,943
We're forced to use one of these
websites that

939
00:59:56,943 --> 00:59:59,479
you need some assistance with
when

940
00:59:59,479 --> 01:00:02,048
for us, it was so much easier to
write a

941
01:00:02,048 --> 01:00:05,251
check and put it into the box to
pay

942
01:00:05,251 --> 01:00:08,054
your fees. They are no longer

943
01:00:08,054 --> 01:00:10,623
accepting checks. in the

944
01:00:10,623 --> 01:00:14,861
Dropbox. You're forced to pay
online.

945
01:00:14,861 --> 01:00:17,597
So if you don't have a

946
01:00:17,597 --> 01:00:21,134
computer experts expertise or
you're

947
01:00:21,134 --> 01:00:23,870
not, um, you know, accustomed to
doing that kind of thing, paying

948
01:00:23,870 --> 01:00:26,539
your bills online or whatever.
This is tough

949
01:00:26,539 --> 01:00:30,209
for us. So that's one of the
things that I

950
01:00:30,209 --> 01:00:33,046
feel like is, is, is
discriminatory. Why would you
take

951
01:00:33,046 --> 01:00:35,882
that? You could just walk
downstairs right outside

952
01:00:35,882 --> 01:00:38,751
the office, and drop your check
into

953
01:00:38,751 --> 01:00:41,421
the mailbox. There's no one
there now, by the way. There

954
01:00:41,421 --> 01:00:44,324
is, there, the office manager is

955
01:00:44,324 --> 01:00:48,127
invisible wherever she is. I
haven't seen her in, I don't
know how long

956
01:00:48,127 --> 01:00:50,997
So the days for you, if you had
an issue when you were an

957
01:00:50,997 --> 01:00:54,701
older person and didn't know how
to do these

958
01:00:54,701 --> 01:00:57,403
things electronically and could
go down to the office manager
and

959
01:00:57,403 --> 01:01:00,540
get some help with filling out a
form or submitting

960
01:01:00,540 --> 01:01:03,209
a maintenance request and that
type of thing

961
01:01:03,209 --> 01:01:06,079
Those days are gone So I

962
01:01:06,079 --> 01:01:09,182
I think that is definitely uh
discriminatory.

963
01:01:09,182 --> 01:01:13,052
against older persons and just
another way to try to get us

964
01:01:13,052 --> 01:01:15,688
out of the building. Thank you.
How much time is left for

965
01:01:15,688 --> 01:01:18,224
closing statement, Samaria?

966
01:01:18,224 --> 01:01:22,028
2 minutes. All right, y'all have
2 minutes collectively.

967
01:01:22,028 --> 01:01:27,033
Yes, ma'am.

968
01:01:27,033 --> 01:01:29,535
The discriminatory actions
against

969
01:01:29,535 --> 01:01:32,939
disability, I feel. um, with
each

970
01:01:32,939 --> 01:01:35,475
property management company, uh
I make

971
01:01:35,475 --> 01:01:38,010
it a point to notify them

972
01:01:38,010 --> 01:01:40,646
of my specific disabilities and

973
01:01:40,646 --> 01:01:46,853
what I found was that

974
01:01:46,853 --> 01:01:49,756
I believe that it's

975
01:01:49,756 --> 01:01:52,291
intentionally, some of the
actions have

976
01:01:52,291 --> 01:01:56,329
been intentionally done to
activate. my disability

977
01:01:56,329 --> 01:02:00,967
or reaggravate it. And I say
that because

978
01:02:00,967 --> 01:02:04,570
although there are signs by the
city that state to

979
01:02:04,570 --> 01:02:07,407
no longer do construction. Um.

980
01:02:07,407 --> 01:02:12,011
to be below me that endured the
fire, um

981
01:02:12,011 --> 01:02:14,580
the banging constantly knocking
on

982
01:02:14,580 --> 01:02:18,651
my door, saying that they needed
to inspect

983
01:02:18,651 --> 01:02:21,154
um the units so that they can
see what damage is, but

984
01:02:21,154 --> 01:02:25,024
nothing is done. They just want

985
01:02:25,024 --> 01:02:27,560
access to my unit and

986
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:30,096
walk around and nothing gets
done. And this has

987
01:02:30,096 --> 01:02:33,766
been for the past 2 years

988
01:02:33,766 --> 01:02:36,669
absolutely nothing. Um different

989
01:02:36,669 --> 01:02:39,238
um, companies that they would
get

990
01:02:39,238 --> 01:02:41,774
to fix, I forget the names of it
Epic, was

991
01:02:41,774 --> 01:02:45,011
one that I remember the most
that would come into my

992
01:02:45,011 --> 01:02:48,414
unit and absolutely nothing
would be. done

993
01:02:48,414 --> 01:02:51,884
OK Um

994
01:02:51,884 --> 01:02:54,587
but nonetheless, they have been
notified and

995
01:02:54,587 --> 01:02:57,190
nothing has been done to

996
01:02:57,190 --> 01:03:01,727
assist or fix any of the issues
that were caused in the unit.

997
01:03:01,727 --> 01:03:05,431
Thank you. Thank you. We have a

998
01:03:05,431 --> 01:03:08,100
32nd warning. All right, 30
seconds. Thank

999
01:03:08,100 --> 01:03:10,770
you. So in short and in closing

1000
01:03:10,770 --> 01:03:13,406
um, we are, um, in a, a

1001
01:03:13,406 --> 01:03:16,642
very precarious situation. This
has been a five-year fight and

1002
01:03:16,642 --> 01:03:19,378
ongoing. Um, they've also placed
cameras in the hallways and
throughout

1003
01:03:19,378 --> 01:03:22,181
the building, not merely for the
security of it, but to

1004
01:03:22,181 --> 01:03:24,817
watch us. So, so we're clear
about that. This

1005
01:03:24,817 --> 01:03:27,720
is financial genocide, if you
will. This is a

1006
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:30,323
systematic way of expelling the
building

1007
01:03:30,323 --> 01:03:34,527
or location of what they want.
Um, this is a

1008
01:03:34,527 --> 01:03:37,263
racial matter because one of the
upper staff of

1009
01:03:37,263 --> 01:03:39,799
that group told another person
that not to rent to

1010
01:03:39,799 --> 01:03:42,335
black people. because we are

1011
01:03:42,335 --> 01:03:46,072
a problem And that's time, I'm

1012
01:03:46,072 --> 01:03:48,841
sorry, Miss. But. It's OK. Thank
you. All right

1013
01:03:48,841 --> 01:03:52,745
Getting tired. I think you all
very much. Thank you so much for
coming out

1014
01:03:52,745 --> 01:03:55,314
Within 30 days of today's
hearing date

1015
01:03:55,314 --> 01:03:57,984
we'll send out a finding 00 yes,
OK

1016
01:03:57,984 --> 01:04:01,654
Look, I was about to skip the
for for the questions, but yeah

1017
01:04:01,654 --> 01:04:04,323
so now we'll allow commissioners
a chance, but just so I

1018
01:04:04,323 --> 01:04:06,959
get my thought out. So within 30

1019
01:04:06,959 --> 01:04:09,729
days after the hearing, you'll
receive findings of fact

1020
01:04:09,729 --> 01:04:12,899
What I want to say before the
commissioners uh ask their

1021
01:04:12,899 --> 01:04:15,668
questions just while it's on my
mind. Uh, do you know if

1022
01:04:15,668 --> 01:04:18,437
anybody has provided a proposed
findings

1023
01:04:18,437 --> 01:04:21,007
of facts from from the group
just yet

1024
01:04:21,007 --> 01:04:23,876
And that's just basically uh a
proposed list of

1025
01:04:23,876 --> 01:04:27,079
facts that you want us to take
into account when making a
decision.

1026
01:04:27,079 --> 01:04:30,783
We did not bring them with us,
but we did definitely compile
them and get them to

1027
01:04:30,783 --> 01:04:33,419
you. Yes, so what I'll ask that
you do is by

1028
01:04:33,419 --> 01:04:36,055
Friday at 5 p.m. just submit to
the Office

1029
01:04:36,055 --> 01:04:39,992
of Constituent Services. We have
a HRC

1030
01:04:39,992 --> 01:04:42,695
uh, email handle. If you can
email those to us, we'll take

1031
01:04:42,695 --> 01:04:45,231
those into consideration
whenever we make our decision

1032
01:04:45,231 --> 01:04:48,034
OK? That would be our honor.
Thank you. All right, so at this
point in

1033
01:04:48,034 --> 01:04:51,938
time I will allow the
commissioners to ask questions
regarding

1034
01:04:51,938 --> 01:04:54,807
um, anybody can answer those
questions or if they have
questions for a

1035
01:04:54,807 --> 01:04:57,443
specific complaint they can.
We'll start with Commissioner uh

1036
01:04:57,443 --> 01:05:00,179
Humpback Will Thank you, Mr.
Chair. Um

1037
01:05:00,179 --> 01:05:03,015
thank, thank you all for, for
being here

1038
01:05:03,015 --> 01:05:05,751
this morning, um, and sharing
your experience with us

1039
01:05:05,751 --> 01:05:09,288
Uh, a question that I have is

1040
01:05:09,288 --> 01:05:12,091
the packet that you all that you
said that you received with the

1041
01:05:12,091 --> 01:05:14,594
the photos and images. Do you

1042
01:05:14,594 --> 01:05:17,263
is there, do you have, do you
still have that? I can get that
to you

1043
01:05:17,263 --> 01:05:25,271
as well. OK. Yeah. Um

1044
01:05:25,271 --> 01:05:28,174
um, the investors, where are
they where are they located

1045
01:05:28,174 --> 01:05:31,544
They don't live in the building,
I'll tell you that

1046
01:05:31,544 --> 01:05:34,113
they reside um in various places
throughout

1047
01:05:34,113 --> 01:05:36,849
the city, um, up into
Alpharettas. Most of them, a
great

1048
01:05:36,849 --> 01:05:39,518
deal of them are out of the

1049
01:05:39,518 --> 01:05:43,055
country. But they are they're
not residents of

1050
01:05:43,055 --> 01:05:45,791
the landmark. They don't live
there. They have never lived
there. OK.

1051
01:05:45,791 --> 01:05:48,461
Um do you all have any contact

1052
01:05:48,461 --> 01:05:52,331
with them at all outside of them

1053
01:05:52,331 --> 01:05:54,867
sending fines. Would

1054
01:05:54,867 --> 01:05:57,536
you rephrase your question,
please? Do you have any contact?
Do you have

1055
01:05:57,536 --> 01:06:00,840
any verbal or email contact

1056
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,542
with them at all? We have
contact with them

1057
01:06:03,542 --> 01:06:06,212
when they inflict a fine or when
they want us to

1058
01:06:06,212 --> 01:06:10,216
pay dues or assessments. OK.

1059
01:06:10,216 --> 01:06:12,852
Uh, I think that's all my
questions right now. All right

1060
01:06:12,852 --> 01:06:15,454
Commissioner Burks, a couple of
questions. Um

1061
01:06:15,454 --> 01:06:18,057
just points of clarity to make
sure I'm, I'm following

1062
01:06:18,057 --> 01:06:21,193
this correctly. There are 200
units, and

1063
01:06:21,193 --> 01:06:23,863
of those 200 units, 10 or or

1064
01:06:23,863 --> 01:06:26,599
roughly thereof are occupied by
owner residents

1065
01:06:26,599 --> 01:06:29,368
Is that correct? That is correct
OK

1066
01:06:29,368 --> 01:06:32,505
Um, in terms of

1067
01:06:32,505 --> 01:06:35,474
interacting with the investors
you interact with

1068
01:06:35,474 --> 01:06:38,144
the investors through the
vehicle of the

1069
01:06:38,144 --> 01:06:41,414
homeowners Association or is
there a separate body through
which

1070
01:06:41,414 --> 01:06:44,150
you interact with them? Well,
let me give some clarity so this

1071
01:06:44,150 --> 01:06:47,219
will make sense. The board
actually now

1072
01:06:47,219 --> 01:06:49,855
is encompassed of all property

1073
01:06:49,855 --> 01:06:52,458
investors. We're estate agents,
investors, there are

1074
01:06:52,458 --> 01:06:55,061
no homeowners or residents that
actually are

1075
01:06:55,061 --> 01:06:57,863
on the board. They've blocked
many of us from

1076
01:06:57,863 --> 01:07:00,499
voting. So they've actually just
taken over

1077
01:07:00,499 --> 01:07:04,036
a confiscated the board much
like they confiscated our common
areas. President and treasurer

1078
01:07:04,036 --> 01:07:07,273
and the president and Treasurer.
How many members are on that
board?

1079
01:07:07,273 --> 01:07:10,676
5.5 Um

1080
01:07:10,676 --> 01:07:13,279
we'll find visible ones. In
terms of the uh elevators

1081
01:07:13,279 --> 01:07:15,948
what's the frequency, uh, with
which they tend to

1082
01:07:15,948 --> 01:07:20,219
go out. If you had to say in a
given month how many times in a
given month?

1083
01:07:20,219 --> 01:07:22,955
from your experience Well, there
was a time where the elevators

1084
01:07:22,955 --> 01:07:28,794
were completely down for about a
week

1085
01:07:28,794 --> 01:07:31,464
OK Um, I could, I if someone
says

1086
01:07:31,464 --> 01:07:34,166
something, I just couldn't hear
that. I just want to make sure
I'm hearing clear

1087
01:07:34,166 --> 01:07:37,870
clearly. OK, so there, there was
a

1088
01:07:37,870 --> 01:07:40,506
point where there's a point
where the elevators

1089
01:07:40,506 --> 01:07:43,008
were down simultaneously for a
week.

1090
01:07:43,008 --> 01:07:46,779
There was a point where we'll
have we have 3 elevators. One

1091
01:07:46,779 --> 01:07:49,381
would be down for months

1092
01:07:49,381 --> 01:07:53,619
or 2 would be down from us, and
we'd have 1 operating elevator.

1093
01:07:53,619 --> 01:07:56,355
Just got about 3 more questions.
In terms of In terms of in terms
of

1094
01:07:56,355 --> 01:08:01,594
the elevator when there are
concerns when it goes out you
have a

1095
01:08:01,594 --> 01:08:04,130
uh, I'm assuming this this
homeowners association has a, a
process for

1096
01:08:04,130 --> 01:08:06,999
submitting tickets or
maintenance requests, and

1097
01:08:06,999 --> 01:08:09,535
I'm assuming you all followed
those, but if, if not, tell me
what

1098
01:08:09,535 --> 01:08:12,238
that process is quickly, if you
don't mind. There is

1099
01:08:12,238 --> 01:08:16,008
no process. OK. Um

1100
01:08:16,008 --> 01:08:18,944
you talk about your association,
uh, your

1101
01:08:18,944 --> 01:08:22,748
your monthly, um, association

1102
01:08:22,748 --> 01:08:25,484
uh, fees, increasing to roughly

1103
01:08:25,484 --> 01:08:29,655
$1500 when you started out at
Landmark, what were they?

1104
01:08:29,655 --> 01:08:32,324
Re roughly $300 and I thought
that was a lot and

1105
01:08:32,324 --> 01:08:36,762
so when I moved in, I knotted up
about that

1106
01:08:36,762 --> 01:08:39,498
um, and incrementally throughout
the years, they would raise them
We had

1107
01:08:39,498 --> 01:08:43,002
a healthy reserve. and so there
would be

1108
01:08:43,002 --> 01:08:46,071
you know, maybe a 1 or 2 years
where they would not, they

1109
01:08:46,071 --> 01:08:48,707
didn't feel necessary to raise
them, but they would
specifically raise them

1110
01:08:48,707 --> 01:08:52,778
no more than the CPI, which is
usually 1.2 to

1111
01:08:52,778 --> 01:08:55,614
1.5%. Um, and in this case

1112
01:08:55,614 --> 01:08:58,851
um, the largest HOA is over
$1500.

1113
01:08:58,851 --> 01:09:01,387
over and that

1114
01:09:01,387 --> 01:09:03,923
that's excluding the assessments
that they've, um,

1115
01:09:03,923 --> 01:09:06,992
inflicted upon us.

1116
01:09:06,992 --> 01:09:10,062
The last one, centers around
just the

1117
01:09:10,062 --> 01:09:12,698
types of, I've heard you you all
individually talk about we

1118
01:09:12,698 --> 01:09:15,267
were charged for this charge for
that just if I could

1119
01:09:15,267 --> 01:09:17,803
get just hear some of what those
are

1120
01:09:17,803 --> 01:09:20,372
just beyond just we were charged
additional fees where you

1121
01:09:20,372 --> 01:09:23,576
charged for X

1122
01:09:23,576 --> 01:09:26,212
What are those specific charges?
Are

1123
01:09:26,212 --> 01:09:28,948
you referencing assessments or
you

1124
01:09:28,948 --> 01:09:32,518
specifically speaking lines. Let
me, let me clarify that

1125
01:09:32,518 --> 01:09:35,187
Fines in particular. I'm curious
what

1126
01:09:35,187 --> 01:09:38,023
the finds the fine amounts were.
But the types

1127
01:09:38,023 --> 01:09:40,626
of fines, even if you don't know
the amount, just

1128
01:09:40,626 --> 01:09:43,329
the tax amount amount Sure. Uh,
I can, I can give you a couple

1129
01:09:43,329 --> 01:09:46,365
Um, as I stated earlier

1130
01:09:46,365 --> 01:09:49,134
I, a neighbor just asked me to
help move a chair. It required

1131
01:09:49,134 --> 01:09:52,137
two people to carry said chair.
It's just, you know, not two
people had

1132
01:09:52,137 --> 01:09:55,241
to carry it, that was just the
bottom line. And

1133
01:09:55,241 --> 01:09:58,310
no problem. You're my neighbor.
I have no problem

1134
01:09:58,310 --> 01:10:01,814
doing that. And we did. And this
was at this point, I've been
speaking in front of

1135
01:10:01,814 --> 01:10:04,483
city council and the Senate,
multiple times

1136
01:10:04,483 --> 01:10:07,152
a week. So I was on, I was at
Target and I

1137
01:10:07,152 --> 01:10:09,655
ended up receiving a $1000 fine.

1138
01:10:09,655 --> 01:10:13,092
The fine specifically read that
I did

1139
01:10:13,092 --> 01:10:15,761
not rent the elevator.

1140
01:10:15,761 --> 01:10:18,430
That was a $500 fine, and the
fact that I moved a bulky chair

1141
01:10:18,430 --> 01:10:22,101
Another find that I did receive
when the

1142
01:10:22,101 --> 01:10:25,070
butterfly system was activated
April 1st

1143
01:10:25,070 --> 01:10:28,007
of 2025. Um

1144
01:10:28,007 --> 01:10:31,143
the concierge at the time was
explaining something to me, so

1145
01:10:31,143 --> 01:10:33,913
I'm standing in the door and the

1146
01:10:33,913 --> 01:10:36,515
unlicensed property manager.

1147
01:10:36,515 --> 01:10:40,252
became combative and she came
outside I needed to close the
door, that there was

1148
01:10:40,252 --> 01:10:42,788
an alarm that would sound in 3

1149
01:10:42,788 --> 01:10:45,557
seconds, 3 to 8 seconds, and, um
which made no sense

1150
01:10:45,557 --> 01:10:49,228
because if you have people
coming in with disabilities

1151
01:10:49,228 --> 01:10:51,797
it takes longer than 3 to 8
seconds to, you know, that that

1152
01:10:51,797 --> 01:10:54,967
that would, that's unnerving. So

1153
01:10:54,967 --> 01:10:58,170
um, she proceeded to push past
me, and she starts

1154
01:10:58,170 --> 01:11:00,739
to push the door that didn't

1155
01:11:00,739 --> 01:11:03,475
go well. Um, I stood back
outside of

1156
01:11:03,475 --> 01:11:06,478
the door and I started recording
and she advi

1157
01:11:06,478 --> 01:11:09,281
s ed the concierge in short, to
call the police

1158
01:11:09,281 --> 01:11:11,884
The police were called. I waited
I spoke with

1159
01:11:11,884 --> 01:11:14,553
them, and

1160
01:11:14,553 --> 01:11:17,289
she filed a report alleging that
it was disorderly conduct in
conjunction

1161
01:11:17,289 --> 01:11:20,059
with that, I received a fine of

1162
01:11:20,059 --> 01:11:22,895
$500 for my disorderly conduct.
OK

1163
01:11:22,895 --> 01:11:25,664
Uh, there is one other that,
that I'm, I'm glad you said what

1164
01:11:25,664 --> 01:11:28,867
you said because it triggered
that, that one I've been trying
to remember

1165
01:11:28,867 --> 01:11:31,804
I've heard all of you talk about
concierge in some

1166
01:11:31,804 --> 01:11:35,007
shape, form or fashion, just a
point of clarity

1167
01:11:35,007 --> 01:11:37,576
Is there a concierge at

1168
01:11:37,576 --> 01:11:40,746
the property now that functions
the way it functions when you
all

1169
01:11:40,746 --> 01:11:43,282
first started as owners

1170
01:11:43,282 --> 01:11:45,884
Absolutely not. There is not.
There, there

1171
01:11:45,884 --> 01:11:48,554
there is a concierge sometimes.

1172
01:11:48,554 --> 01:11:52,024
and you never know when that's
going to be

1173
01:11:52,024 --> 01:11:54,626
And I, and so the last time I
entered the building, there was
no one there

1174
01:11:54,626 --> 01:11:57,396
And there, and, and as a part of
your monthly fees

1175
01:11:57,396 --> 01:12:00,099
you're paying for that salary.
Yes, you're paying

1176
01:12:00,099 --> 01:12:03,535
for a concierge to be on staff,
but let me, let

1177
01:12:03,535 --> 01:12:06,772
me, if I can, uh, clarify

1178
01:12:06,772 --> 01:12:09,475
um, if I can, if I could further
clarify that

1179
01:12:09,475 --> 01:12:12,478
as well. And it's not
necessarily concierge. These

1180
01:12:12,478 --> 01:12:15,247
concierge, it's a regency
company that will

1181
01:12:15,247 --> 01:12:18,083
sit in every so often and then
they have um one

1182
01:12:18,083 --> 01:12:21,620
of their people that'll sit in
as conci er ge but it's not to

1183
01:12:21,620 --> 01:12:24,556
help us, and they only sit there
for a few hours. It's to help

1184
01:12:24,556 --> 01:12:28,360
sign in the um the STR investor

1185
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:31,030
guests that are coming in. Thank
you. No further questions

1186
01:12:31,030 --> 01:12:34,800
for me. Alright, Commissioner
Sne.

1187
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:37,903
Thank you for your

1188
01:12:37,903 --> 01:12:42,441
appearing today. A couple of
questions, um,

1189
01:12:42,441 --> 01:12:46,311
when, when you talk about the
investors

1190
01:12:46,311 --> 01:12:49,081
when did that group begin as a
group that you

1191
01:12:49,081 --> 01:12:52,818
would refer to as investors.

1192
01:12:52,818 --> 01:12:55,421
They began around 2020 is when
the ball

1193
01:12:55,421 --> 01:12:58,057
started rolling so people
started moving out

1194
01:12:58,057 --> 01:13:02,027
and renting as Airbnb, so more

1195
01:13:02,027 --> 01:13:04,696
or less. No, what ended up
happening, once

1196
01:13:04,696 --> 01:13:07,199
these, this group managed to
infiltrate

1197
01:13:07,199 --> 01:13:11,070
the board. Then they
systematically started

1198
01:13:11,070 --> 01:13:13,739
making matters more difficult
for homeowners and a, and a
great deal of

1199
01:13:13,739 --> 01:13:16,508
the homeowners that did move our
seniors. It was

1200
01:13:16,508 --> 01:13:19,978
a former a person that recently
moved. She was going to move her
mother

1201
01:13:19,978 --> 01:13:22,514
into the building, but due to
the

1202
01:13:22,514 --> 01:13:25,250
cantankerousness that occurs in
the building on

1203
01:13:25,250 --> 01:13:27,853
a 24/7 basis. that

1204
01:13:27,853 --> 01:13:31,957
option she decided to sell the
unit and

1205
01:13:31,957 --> 01:13:34,493
um, you mentioned that
Xenophobic package that

1206
01:13:34,493 --> 01:13:38,030
was sent to you, was there a
name of

1207
01:13:38,030 --> 01:13:40,632
who sent that? What do you know
exactly where that

1208
01:13:40,632 --> 01:13:43,502
came from? Yes. and

1209
01:13:43,502 --> 01:13:46,839
and the, the xenophobic package

1210
01:13:46,839 --> 01:13:50,008
as surrounded by the unlicensed
manager and the board.

1211
01:13:50,008 --> 01:13:53,545
So the unlicensed manager is the
one that, and it

1212
01:13:53,545 --> 01:13:56,181
came from a law firm. OK. And

1213
01:13:56,181 --> 01:13:58,917
kind of infiltrated that way. OK

1214
01:13:58,917 --> 01:14:01,653
And, uh, I think my

1215
01:14:01,653 --> 01:14:04,156
last question, when did you go
to the city council and

1216
01:14:04,156 --> 01:14:08,160
present all your information
approximately.

1217
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:11,797
I've been battling this for
about 5 years now, so I'm so

1218
01:14:11,797 --> 01:14:14,466
sorry. You've been there more
than once. Yes

1219
01:14:14,466 --> 01:14:17,202
OK. And has there been any
recourse yet

1220
01:14:17,202 --> 01:14:20,672
? No. Do they, are they in touch
with you at

1221
01:14:20,672 --> 01:14:23,442
all? or is there an ongoing

1222
01:14:23,442 --> 01:14:26,111
situation with them that you
return or how, how do you

1223
01:14:26,111 --> 01:14:30,282
end up appearing before them
more than once.

1224
01:14:30,282 --> 01:14:32,885
I get up the night, I write of
his of his speech the

1225
01:14:32,885 --> 01:14:35,420
night before. I prepare. I come
in every time there's a

1226
01:14:35,420 --> 01:14:39,491
uh an opportunity to speak in
front of a

1227
01:14:39,491 --> 01:14:42,161
committee or a safety zoning or
um if they

1228
01:14:42,161 --> 01:14:46,165
have full committee, I actually

1229
01:14:46,165 --> 01:14:49,968
public comment section. OK. All
right.

1230
01:14:49,968 --> 01:14:52,538
Thank you. Can you hear me
better? I could

1231
01:14:52,538 --> 01:14:55,274
hear you. Yeah, right, and we'll
go with

1232
01:14:55,274 --> 01:14:59,278
uh, Commissioner Claiborne Can
you tell us what are

1233
01:14:59,278 --> 01:15:04,049
the percentages of Airbnb
occupants

1234
01:15:04,049 --> 01:15:06,852
um, that currently occupy this,
this, uh, property

1235
01:15:06,852 --> 01:15:10,289
Do you know it is, when you say
there's

1236
01:15:10,289 --> 01:15:12,991
10 homeowners left or

1237
01:15:12,991 --> 01:15:15,561
the balance Airbnb, occupants

1238
01:15:15,561 --> 01:15:18,363
The, the building operates as a
whole town, so none

1239
01:15:18,363 --> 01:15:21,600
of those investors reside in the
building

1240
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:24,369
So if they've not um

1241
01:15:24,369 --> 01:15:26,872
rented their unit out. if you
will, Airbnb using

1242
01:15:26,872 --> 01:15:30,542
that just as an example. Um,
then the unit

1243
01:15:30,542 --> 01:15:35,280
just stays empty until, but they
they have pretty regular

1244
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:37,916
visitors coming in. I, I

1245
01:15:37,916 --> 01:15:40,485
I'd like to ask this question.
In addition

1246
01:15:40,485 --> 01:15:43,889
to the uh HOA that you're paying

1247
01:15:43,889 --> 01:15:46,425
Are any of you all

1248
01:15:46,425 --> 01:15:49,261
paying uh a mortgage or, or on
top of

1249
01:15:49,261 --> 01:15:53,098
the HOA? Are y'all doing that?
Yes

1250
01:15:53,098 --> 01:15:56,101
OK. Is it pretty much all of
y'all?

1251
01:15:56,101 --> 01:15:59,738
or OK, um

1252
01:15:59,738 --> 01:16:02,407
last question. When you
presented or approached the

1253
01:16:02,407 --> 01:16:04,977
city council, what

1254
01:16:04,977 --> 01:16:09,047
was their response to your
comments? Well

1255
01:16:09,047 --> 01:16:11,617
I think shock first and honesty

1256
01:16:11,617 --> 01:16:14,286
because of the egregiousness of
what's taking place

1257
01:16:14,286 --> 01:16:17,889
Um, we were fortunate enough

1258
01:16:17,889 --> 01:16:20,926
uh, March 25th of 2025, there

1259
01:16:20,926 --> 01:16:23,729
was a um a committee meeting, if
you will. So most

1260
01:16:23,729 --> 01:16:26,999
of the people that are

1261
01:16:26,999 --> 01:16:29,968
STR investors or property
investors were

1262
01:16:29,968 --> 01:16:32,738
in-house. None of, we were not
aware of it. So had we known we

1263
01:16:32,738 --> 01:16:35,974
would have been there. So, in
short

1264
01:16:35,974 --> 01:16:39,011
the landmark condominium bought
their concierge.

1265
01:16:39,011 --> 01:16:43,248
Um, they bought an investor.
They bought

1266
01:16:43,248 --> 01:16:47,019
the cer a board member and then
the unlicensed manager spoke

1267
01:16:47,019 --> 01:16:49,688
And if you get a chance, you can
pull it up. It's the March

1268
01:16:49,688 --> 01:16:53,625
25, 25 uh hearing

1269
01:16:53,625 --> 01:16:56,662
And um Liliana Bahtiari actually

1270
01:16:56,662 --> 01:16:59,197
gave them a bit of a tongue
lashing.

1271
01:16:59,197 --> 01:17:02,634
and um and, and, and, and it
went from there. So

1272
01:17:02,634 --> 01:17:05,270
we felt hopeful that

1273
01:17:05,270 --> 01:17:07,806
somebody understood and that
somebody was stand

1274
01:17:07,806 --> 01:17:11,777
up and and help us, and I think
again in April

1275
01:17:11,777 --> 01:17:14,513
was when we spoke in front of
you know them again

1276
01:17:14,513 --> 01:17:17,349
the full council and um

1277
01:17:17,349 --> 01:17:20,686
and Liliana again spoke, and
this

1278
01:17:20,686 --> 01:17:23,422
is when we received the, the
packet as well

1279
01:17:23,422 --> 01:17:25,924
but Liliana spoke up again and,
and so

1280
01:17:25,924 --> 01:17:28,660
she understood. I think she
really understood. She had, she
had a grasp of

1281
01:17:28,660 --> 01:17:32,331
what's going on. Um, and again

1282
01:17:32,331 --> 01:17:35,067
I'm going to leave speculation
out of it as to why I

1283
01:17:35,067 --> 01:17:37,636
I think no one's helping us
because we've been

1284
01:17:37,636 --> 01:17:40,972
in front of every

1285
01:17:40,972 --> 01:17:44,142
governmental agency that was
available to us and then some

1286
01:17:44,142 --> 01:17:46,678
And it always turns back to,
well

1287
01:17:46,678 --> 01:17:50,615
you guys just need to pay your
HAs. The problem with

1288
01:17:50,615 --> 01:17:53,418
that is everybody's so upside
down we spent

1289
01:17:53,418 --> 01:17:56,888
over $200,000 between the

1290
01:17:56,888 --> 01:18:02,027
homeowners, between us getting
attorneys.

1291
01:18:02,027 --> 01:18:05,731
attorneys, because we just, we
didn't have a way out. This

1292
01:18:05,731 --> 01:18:08,333
has been 5 years. Over

1293
01:18:08,333 --> 01:18:08,433
$200,000. I will say this just
for the sake of time,
Commissioner Claiborne, do you

1294
01:18:08,433 --> 01:18:11,069
have

1295
01:18:11,069 --> 01:18:14,706
any follow-up questions briefly?
Just one final question

1296
01:18:14,706 --> 01:18:17,409
Does landmark know you all are
here today? They probably

1297
01:18:17,409 --> 01:18:20,078
do because they initially when
we had the meeting, the meeting
was scheduled

1298
01:18:20,078 --> 01:18:23,782
for August 8th of last year, and
for some reason it

1299
01:18:23,782 --> 01:18:26,418
was canceled. They didn't let,
we weren't alerted about

1300
01:18:26,418 --> 01:18:29,354
it, so we actually, I flew in
from out of town. We all

1301
01:18:29,354 --> 01:18:31,857
came in and then they alerted us
that the meeting had

1302
01:18:31,857 --> 01:18:35,360
been canceled and that the
landmark allegedly

1303
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:38,063
said that they had, they didn't
have enough

1304
01:18:38,063 --> 01:18:42,067
information or something was
missing and so they didn't allow
them to

1305
01:18:42,067 --> 01:18:44,603
prepare properly. And so, you
know, it was just pushed back

1306
01:18:44,603 --> 01:18:47,439
to now, so that's where we are.
So yeah, absolutely

1307
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:51,610
Thank you. And I will say for
the commissioners that are
present, um

1308
01:18:51,610 --> 01:18:54,246
uh, OCS did send out notices to
everybody as well and

1309
01:18:54,246 --> 01:18:57,449
in August there was a lapse in
commissioners and we

1310
01:18:57,449 --> 01:19:00,152
didn't have quorums, so I had to
be pushed out to when it was

1311
01:19:00,152 --> 01:19:02,821
I'll just have one final
question just briefly, if there
is

1312
01:19:02,821 --> 01:19:05,757
a finding that there was some
form of

1313
01:19:05,757 --> 01:19:08,493
alleged discrimination. What
would you all like to see as the
recourse

1314
01:19:08,493 --> 01:19:11,096
? What would you like for us to
do if we can

1315
01:19:11,096 --> 01:19:14,032
we can't offer monetary
compensation

1316
01:19:14,032 --> 01:19:16,868
um, but is there something that
you would like to see happen
after this

1317
01:19:16,868 --> 01:19:20,172
? Outside of monetary, yes.
let's

1318
01:19:20,172 --> 01:19:28,046
let's, let's caucus this. OK.

1319
01:19:28,046 --> 01:19:33,485
There's nowhere

1320
01:19:33,485 --> 01:19:38,190
OK. Well, you OK. Mhm.

1321
01:19:38,190 --> 01:19:40,792
As Nikki has stated, we have
gone before

1322
01:19:40,792 --> 01:19:43,562
the council multiple times. Um

1323
01:19:43,562 --> 01:19:47,165
council member Batiari is no
longer

1324
01:19:47,165 --> 01:19:51,536
our councilperson. We have a new
councilperson.

1325
01:19:51,536 --> 01:19:54,072
and it is Winston

1326
01:19:54,072 --> 01:19:56,842
Jason Winston.

1327
01:19:56,842 --> 01:19:59,377
and I feel like we need

1328
01:19:59,377 --> 01:20:02,981
his support. Um

1329
01:20:02,981 --> 01:20:05,684
citywide council member Julian
Bond

1330
01:20:05,684 --> 01:20:08,420
spoke in our favor also that
Nikki has come

1331
01:20:08,420 --> 01:20:10,956
up here every month, and we need
to

1332
01:20:10,956 --> 01:20:14,793
do something. We need to stop
the

1333
01:20:14,793 --> 01:20:17,429
the STR situation in the city
and

1334
01:20:17,429 --> 01:20:20,031
support them, and they voted
that down, or they put it

1335
01:20:20,031 --> 01:20:22,834
on hold. So it's just sitting
there. So we need

1336
01:20:22,834 --> 01:20:26,204
the city to support us.

1337
01:20:26,204 --> 01:20:28,773
It's extremely frustrating to
come before

1338
01:20:28,773 --> 01:20:33,044
write letters and do these. This
is the process.

1339
01:20:33,044 --> 01:20:36,882
as citizens in Fulton County
that we're supposed

1340
01:20:36,882 --> 01:20:39,417
to follow. We are following that
process. It's

1341
01:20:39,417 --> 01:20:42,020
part of whatever it is we're
supposed to submit, we can give

1342
01:20:42,020 --> 01:20:45,557
you the letters. We can give you
the, the fine

1343
01:20:45,557 --> 01:20:50,128
We can, I've, we've talked to
the city solicitor.

1344
01:20:50,128 --> 01:20:53,031
uh, Erica Smith. Uh, we've been
to court when they find them

1345
01:20:53,031 --> 01:20:55,667
We do everything that we are
supposed

1346
01:20:55,667 --> 01:20:59,437
to do. We just need help. We
can't do it on

1347
01:20:59,437 --> 01:21:02,173
our own. All right. Understood,
you all are free to go. Again

1348
01:21:02,173 --> 01:21:05,076
remember finding the facts. You
could uh submit that to

1349
01:21:05,076 --> 01:21:08,046
the HRC email address by 5

1350
01:21:08,046 --> 01:21:10,782
p.m. Each individual can, or you
could do one collectively as

1351
01:21:10,782 --> 01:21:13,652
a group and then within 30 days
you'll receive our decision

1352
01:21:13,652 --> 01:21:16,555
OK? Thank you all so much for
the go. Thank you

1353
01:21:16,555 --> 01:21:19,424
for coming. Thank you Thank you.
Thank you

1354
01:21:19,424 --> 01:21:22,160
very much. All right, we're
gonna move forward with the
agenda. We're

1355
01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:25,096
on G commission Officer updates.
I'll start

1356
01:21:25,096 --> 01:21:28,033
briefly with mine. I had a
conversation with

1357
01:21:28,033 --> 01:21:30,635
Kim Gibson. She's the executive
director for

1358
01:21:30,635 --> 01:21:33,338
DisabilityL Link. It's an

1359
01:21:33,338 --> 01:21:36,308
organization that helps
individuals with disability in
terms of training

1360
01:21:36,308 --> 01:21:40,145
uh, provides them with resources
they

1361
01:21:40,145 --> 01:21:42,681
uh, offer support to citizens of
the city

1362
01:21:42,681 --> 01:21:46,384
of Atlanta. Um I wanted to have

1363
01:21:46,384 --> 01:21:49,354
a commissioner go and actually
speak when they do their general

1364
01:21:49,354 --> 01:21:51,990
body meetings. Commissioner
Snell has agreed

1365
01:21:51,990 --> 01:21:55,493
to be the lead on that, so
she'll be working with

1366
01:21:55,493 --> 01:21:58,029
the executive director to get us
some representation

1367
01:21:58,029 --> 01:22:00,999
at a disability link meeting.
Chair, um, might

1368
01:22:00,999 --> 01:22:04,302
I also offer to the commissioner
that we do

1369
01:22:04,302 --> 01:22:06,838
have a citywide director of
disability

1370
01:22:06,838 --> 01:22:09,574
access and ADA compliance, who
works with DisabilityL Link, so
it might

1371
01:22:09,574 --> 01:22:12,110
be a good idea to coordinate
that conversation

1372
01:22:12,110 --> 01:22:16,414
so you have a staff
representative as well as a
commissioner

1373
01:22:16,414 --> 01:22:20,151
and process, um, and I'll be
happy to make that connection
for Commissioner Snell.

1374
01:22:20,151 --> 01:22:22,821
That sounds great. OK, and I
also had a conversation

1375
01:22:22,821 --> 01:22:25,523
with Chris McCain and Steven

1376
01:22:25,523 --> 01:22:29,094
A Gaushi, who are
representatives for Pride

1377
01:22:29,094 --> 01:22:31,663
Atlanta. They host the

1378
01:22:31,663 --> 01:22:34,199
annual Pride Festival each year
and Commissioner

1379
01:22:34,199 --> 01:22:36,868
Claiborne knows more about that.
She used to be a board member on

1380
01:22:36,868 --> 01:22:39,971
their board. I had a
conversation with them yesterday

1381
01:22:39,971 --> 01:22:42,941
Um, there are opportunities for
us to potentially have

1382
01:22:42,941 --> 01:22:45,744
a tent during the festival

1383
01:22:45,744 --> 01:22:48,346
pass out information as it
relates to the commission and
kind

1384
01:22:48,346 --> 01:22:51,049
of get our name out there. She's
agreed

1385
01:22:51,049 --> 01:22:54,019
to communicate, uh, or converse
with them to see what's possible
as

1386
01:22:54,019 --> 01:22:56,988
it relates to that. So she's
gonna be the team lead on that.

1387
01:22:56,988 --> 01:23:00,592
Uh, just clarifying, that's

1388
01:23:00,592 --> 01:23:03,161
uh Atlanta ride, not OK, I just
want to make sure we were all
talking about

1389
01:23:03,161 --> 01:23:05,864
this Atlantic ride. Yes, and we
actually have

1390
01:23:05,864 --> 01:23:08,767
a city of Atlanta

1391
01:23:08,767 --> 01:23:12,103
uh, structure process so we can
also collaborate which Gabrielle

1392
01:23:12,103 --> 01:23:14,773
knows cause she's been in the
parade, we are, we ride in the

1393
01:23:14,773 --> 01:23:17,375
parade, you know, so that's all
the same bucket, and if you want
to

1394
01:23:17,375 --> 01:23:20,245
think about what y'all might
want to do with that piece as
well. We can

1395
01:23:20,245 --> 01:23:23,515
Perfect. Alright. Alright, so we
have our commissioners that are
leads

1396
01:23:23,515 --> 01:23:26,484
whatever y'all decide to do, I
trust you with it. I just wanted
to get the ball

1397
01:23:26,484 --> 01:23:29,020
rolling, to start building those
relationships. All right, Tony,
do you have a vice

1398
01:23:29,020 --> 01:23:32,123
chair's update?

1399
01:23:32,123 --> 01:23:34,859
Pretty simple. We, um, we'll be
getting

1400
01:23:34,859 --> 01:23:37,529
with Josh. He's looking at his
schedule, aligning

1401
01:23:37,529 --> 01:23:40,065
with ours so that we can
probably

1402
01:23:40,065 --> 01:23:42,667
do a uh a team's meeting

1403
01:23:42,667 --> 01:23:46,137
to um take the documents that we

1404
01:23:46,137 --> 01:23:48,673
have and um use them to

1405
01:23:48,673 --> 01:23:51,676
think through how we will redo
the code and

1406
01:23:51,676 --> 01:23:54,212
so those committees,
subcommittee members are

1407
01:23:54,212 --> 01:23:56,748
task force committee members

1408
01:23:56,748 --> 01:23:59,284
our commissioner Claiborne and,
you know

1409
01:23:59,284 --> 01:24:01,820
your last name is literally
jumped out of my head in this
moment.

1410
01:24:01,820 --> 01:24:04,522
But Madam Secretary. All right

1411
01:24:04,522 --> 01:24:08,326
Bree is not present for the
treasurer's report

1412
01:24:08,326 --> 01:24:11,062
Um, we'll move on to City of
Atlanta staff updates. We

1413
01:24:11,062 --> 01:24:13,832
have on here Commissioner Baels
and headshots. Candice, do you

1414
01:24:13,832 --> 01:24:17,702
want to just briefly go over
that? Uh, yes, thank you

1415
01:24:17,702 --> 01:24:20,472
everyone for submitting those
who have submitting

1416
01:24:20,472 --> 01:24:23,141
your headshots and bios. We are
updating the

1417
01:24:23,141 --> 01:24:25,844
website, so please, um, if you
have not drop it into the

1418
01:24:25,844 --> 01:24:28,546
folder and email went out about

1419
01:24:28,546 --> 01:24:31,449
2 or 3 days ago, just asking you
to do that. Um, and

1420
01:24:31,449 --> 01:24:33,985
there's a folder that you can
put it in, so thank you for

1421
01:24:33,985 --> 01:24:38,223
that. Um, additional ly um, just
FYI, we have

1422
01:24:38,223 --> 01:24:40,859
uh, potentially two new members
who are interested. Obviously,
uh, Deborah Snell

1423
01:24:40,859 --> 01:24:44,362
who recommended Chuck, we're
finishing up that

1424
01:24:44,362 --> 01:24:47,132
conversation. We have another
potential member, Iman

1425
01:24:47,132 --> 01:24:49,868
who, um, I would love to have a
commissioner chat with

1426
01:24:49,868 --> 01:24:52,370
so if someone is interested in
doing that, let me know. I'll

1427
01:24:52,370 --> 01:24:55,106
make the connection. Um, we
think she'd be a

1428
01:24:55,106 --> 01:24:57,942
great appointment. She comes
recommended from a number of

1429
01:24:57,942 --> 01:25:03,047
different um folks familiar with
the council

1430
01:25:03,047 --> 01:25:05,316
um, and then we are working on a
FIFA training which I'm sure the

1431
01:25:05,316 --> 01:25:05,650
chair will talk about, but that
is in process chair and we did
get a OK they'd like to do it in

1432
01:25:05,650 --> 01:25:09,220
April

1433
01:25:09,220 --> 01:25:11,990
so it's on the books, we just
need to figure out what we want
that to be. Um, and

1434
01:25:11,990 --> 01:25:14,793
then I will be sending out the

1435
01:25:14,793 --> 01:25:18,163
contact list for a final review,
you all, just so you have
everybody's

1436
01:25:18,163 --> 01:25:21,132
phone number. I've had a couple
people saying I'm trying to
reach this person

1437
01:25:21,132 --> 01:25:23,835
um, so make sure you, it's in
the folder, but I'll just put it
at

1438
01:25:23,835 --> 01:25:26,538
the top of your box for final
checks on titles, all

1439
01:25:26,538 --> 01:25:29,440
of that as well and then um as

1440
01:25:29,440 --> 01:25:32,777
you all land the meeting

1441
01:25:32,777 --> 01:25:32,877
uh, commissioner Burks with Josh
I just like to be in the
scheduling conversation from the

1442
01:25:32,877 --> 01:25:35,847
beginning

1443
01:25:35,847 --> 01:25:38,483
so we can make sure we're there.
Thank you. That

1444
01:25:38,483 --> 01:25:42,854
concludes my report. Perfect,
Josh, do you have anything that
you'd like to update us with?

1445
01:25:42,854 --> 01:25:45,490
Uh, no updates, but I, I

1446
01:25:45,490 --> 01:25:48,193
mentioned to Commissioner Burks
that I'm looking

1447
01:25:48,193 --> 01:25:51,930
to schedule that meeting for
next week. Um

1448
01:25:51,930 --> 01:25:54,666
likely Thursday or Friday, so
I'm, I'll, I'll

1449
01:25:54,666 --> 01:25:57,368
meet with you all uh offline

1450
01:25:57,368 --> 01:26:00,038
to confirm. Yeah, right after
this to confirm

1451
01:26:00,038 --> 01:26:03,208
a time, um, that is convenient
to

1452
01:26:03,208 --> 01:26:06,110
everyone. All right, perfect.
Mario, do you have any updates

1453
01:26:06,110 --> 01:26:10,248
? Just in general?

1454
01:26:10,248 --> 01:26:12,817
No, no updates currently. All
right, I

1455
01:26:12,817 --> 01:26:15,453
wanna thank you all again. I
know I try to

1456
01:26:15,453 --> 01:26:19,057
do it every opportunity that I
get, but I know that everybody
has

1457
01:26:19,057 --> 01:26:21,759
a million 1 million things that
they could be working on, so we

1458
01:26:21,759 --> 01:26:24,295
do appreciate uh your help to
the commission and

1459
01:26:24,295 --> 01:26:27,031
your service to Atlanta. Alright
we'll move on to

1460
01:26:27,031 --> 01:26:30,235
old business, uh, budget. I ask

1461
01:26:30,235 --> 01:26:32,770
that we hold that budget vote
until

1462
01:26:32,770 --> 01:26:35,607
the April meeting. I have a
meeting with Candace

1463
01:26:35,607 --> 01:26:38,509
I invited Brie as well. That
meeting is gonna be scheduled

1464
01:26:38,509 --> 01:26:41,279
for next Friday. We're just
gonna do a quick meeting just to

1465
01:26:41,279 --> 01:26:44,082
discuss the budget and see if we
need to make it a revisions. So
is there

1466
01:26:44,082 --> 01:26:46,684
a motion to move that vote until
the April meeting

1467
01:26:46,684 --> 01:26:50,588
? So move. All right, is there a
second?

1468
01:26:50,588 --> 01:26:53,124
All right. All those in favor?
All

1469
01:26:53,124 --> 01:26:55,793
those opposed? Any abstentions?
All right, we'll move that to

1470
01:26:55,793 --> 01:26:58,296
the agenda for the April meeting
Next

1471
01:26:58,296 --> 01:27:01,499
the FIFA meeting, I've been in
contact with Candace regarding

1472
01:27:01,499 --> 01:27:04,202
that as well, just a training or
to have a representative come
and

1473
01:27:04,202 --> 01:27:06,871
speak to us. Uh, the
representative

1474
01:27:06,871 --> 01:27:09,540
has agreed to come to the April
meeting, so there's no need to

1475
01:27:09,540 --> 01:27:12,143
do a virtual meeting. So as

1476
01:27:12,143 --> 01:27:14,879
appointed FYL they'll be here
next month, OK? Alright

1477
01:27:14,879 --> 01:27:17,582
we'll move on to new business.
The only thing I propose for

1478
01:27:17,582 --> 01:27:21,753
new business was I wanted to get
our HOC

1479
01:27:21,753 --> 01:27:24,322
form translated to Spanish so
that our

1480
01:27:24,322 --> 01:27:27,125
Spanish speaking population uh
can have access to the form and
be able to

1481
01:27:27,125 --> 01:27:31,296
read and understand it. Candice,
do you know how we would go
about doing that?

1482
01:27:31,296 --> 01:27:33,831
Absolutely. We have that process
at the city for forms

1483
01:27:33,831 --> 01:27:37,535
my one note might be to review
that form

1484
01:27:37,535 --> 01:27:40,238
with all the pieces that

1485
01:27:40,238 --> 01:27:42,740
uh, Commissioner Burks is
walking through because we said
there, there

1486
01:27:42,740 --> 01:27:45,777
were some questions we had about
the form, but once it

1487
01:27:45,777 --> 01:27:48,413
is finalized, um, immigrant and
international

1488
01:27:48,413 --> 01:27:51,215
affairs provides translation
services for us. We also can
turn

1489
01:27:51,215 --> 01:27:54,485
it into things like braille. We
can put it in

1490
01:27:54,485 --> 01:27:57,422
multiple languages, um, we can
post it online with a screen
reader

1491
01:27:57,422 --> 01:28:00,591
for folks who have visual um
needs. So yes

1492
01:28:00,591 --> 01:28:03,361
um, but let's make sure it
matches your new structure and
then absolutely happy

1493
01:28:03,361 --> 01:28:06,965
to translate. I love that. OK,
and we'll just

1494
01:28:06,965 --> 01:28:09,667
uh just FYI I thought of that,
so I wanted to bring it to the
commission. So we'll

1495
01:28:09,667 --> 01:28:12,503
table that for now, but my goal
is to have the form

1496
01:28:12,503 --> 01:28:15,340
at least translated into Spanish

1497
01:28:15,340 --> 01:28:18,409
uh before the end of the year.
OK, case

1498
01:28:18,409 --> 01:28:21,479
review. So you know with these,
we kind of

1499
01:28:21,479 --> 01:28:24,148
move relatively quickly. I ask
that our

1500
01:28:24,148 --> 01:28:26,651
secretary just try to take as
many notes if you

1501
01:28:26,651 --> 01:28:29,520
need me to slow down, Sarah,
just let me know.

1502
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:32,056
Alright. So going from the
master list

1503
01:28:32,056 --> 01:28:35,994
that Commissioner Hunt Blackwell
sent out.

1504
01:28:35,994 --> 01:28:38,896
a couple of days ago. We have

1505
01:28:38,896 --> 01:28:42,767
Zara Punanni. That case, the
findings of facts

1506
01:28:42,767 --> 01:28:45,470
have been sent out to the
parties. Correct me if I'm wrong

1507
01:28:45,470 --> 01:28:48,239
Amaria. Those findings of facts
for the Punjani Dental

1508
01:28:48,239 --> 01:28:52,176
case have gone out, correct?
Have we gotten any response from

1509
01:28:52,176 --> 01:28:54,879
them? Have they said anything
one way or another? Alright. So

1510
01:28:54,879 --> 01:28:57,382
that case is closed. Uh, we did
the hearing for

1511
01:28:57,382 --> 01:29:01,452
that last time it's closed. Nay,
dear Panjwani

1512
01:29:01,452 --> 01:29:04,355
uh, that case we heard today. Uh

1513
01:29:04,355 --> 01:29:06,958
we gave them until Friday to
provide us

1514
01:29:06,958 --> 01:29:09,927
with statements of facts. I use
those statement of facts

1515
01:29:09,927 --> 01:29:13,031
to draft our findings of fact.
um

1516
01:29:13,031 --> 01:29:16,567
I'll ask that, you know, I'll
keep commissioners updated

1517
01:29:16,567 --> 01:29:19,137
in terms of the email of, of
when

1518
01:29:19,137 --> 01:29:24,275
I'd like for you all to submit
your

1519
01:29:24,275 --> 01:29:24,375
uh proposed findings of facts in
your votes for how to move
forward. My question is, I have

1520
01:29:24,375 --> 01:29:27,979
a

1521
01:29:27,979 --> 01:29:30,748
question for Josh. When I asked
commissioners to do it in the

1522
01:29:30,748 --> 01:29:33,518
past is just send me an email
with whether or not

1523
01:29:33,518 --> 01:29:36,954
they found discrimination, um,
in a

1524
01:29:36,954 --> 01:29:39,724
short, you know, synopsis of
what they like included in the
findings of

1525
01:29:39,724 --> 01:29:42,293
fact, can individuals send those
to me directly

1526
01:29:42,293 --> 01:29:45,763
? Do they need to go to the
group as a whole?

1527
01:29:45,763 --> 01:29:48,399
They can send them to you
directly. Um, it, it, it

1528
01:29:48,399 --> 01:29:51,102
may be helpful to the other
commissioners to know

1529
01:29:51,102 --> 01:29:53,871
their thinking. So, uh, we'll
leave that to

1530
01:29:53,871 --> 01:29:57,275
the commissioners, um, how they
see fit

1531
01:29:57,275 --> 01:29:59,944
but, um, there, there's no

1532
01:29:59,944 --> 01:30:02,580
requirements on how you
deliberate and

1533
01:30:02,580 --> 01:30:06,084
uh ultimately how you express
your wishes to the chair

1534
01:30:06,084 --> 01:30:08,619
All right. Great. So it's up to
you all, how do you, how

1535
01:30:08,619 --> 01:30:11,422
do you decide to send me that
information. I will provide an

1536
01:30:11,422 --> 01:30:14,258
email just stating the due date,
which will probably be Tuesday,
2

1537
01:30:14,258 --> 01:30:17,595
days after all, uh, information
is closed. Tony, you had

1538
01:30:17,595 --> 01:30:20,264
a response? So one of the things
that has

1539
01:30:20,264 --> 01:30:23,000
has, uh, that I've wrestled with

1540
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:25,803
is when we have these hearings
and we get

1541
01:30:25,803 --> 01:30:28,506
feedback, uh, what we hear from

1542
01:30:28,506 --> 01:30:31,042
them, we don't have

1543
01:30:31,042 --> 01:30:33,578
the time in real time like here
to kind

1544
01:30:33,578 --> 01:30:36,347
of just talk through it

1545
01:30:36,347 --> 01:30:39,951
um, even if I, you know, I know
there's more information coming

1546
01:30:39,951 --> 01:30:42,620
in, but there's something to be
said for being able to kind of

1547
01:30:42,620 --> 01:30:45,156
talk through it with this

1548
01:30:45,156 --> 01:30:47,692
body and still take time to
reflect

1549
01:30:47,692 --> 01:30:50,328
on independently and then send
you a statement. I know

1550
01:30:50,328 --> 01:30:53,564
that is potentially more time,
but it's just something that

1551
01:30:53,564 --> 01:30:56,200
has been on my mind, um.

1552
01:30:56,200 --> 01:30:59,103
because there's an element of
what we do that's deliberative.

1553
01:30:59,103 --> 01:31:02,340
and it feels weird

1554
01:31:02,340 --> 01:31:05,009
to hear it them walk out and
then we

1555
01:31:05,009 --> 01:31:07,645
go to the next item on

1556
01:31:07,645 --> 01:31:10,381
the agenda. So just, just a,
just a thing about process

1557
01:31:10,381 --> 01:31:13,684
that I'm processing.

1558
01:31:13,684 --> 01:31:16,454
Is there from a legal
perspective, um,

1559
01:31:16,454 --> 01:31:19,056
Josh, is there any concern with
the

1560
01:31:19,056 --> 01:31:25,129
discussion after the case
concludes amongst the commission

1561
01:31:25,129 --> 01:31:27,999
There isn't a legal issue, um.

1562
01:31:27,999 --> 01:31:31,702
I, I'll note that while we're
still trying to figure

1563
01:31:31,702 --> 01:31:34,305
out the recording of each
hearing. We are

1564
01:31:34,305 --> 01:31:37,041
currently being recorded still,
even though the hearing

1565
01:31:37,041 --> 01:31:40,011
has ceased, so, um, to

1566
01:31:40,011 --> 01:31:43,347
the extent your deliberations

1567
01:31:43,347 --> 01:31:46,083
um, uh, you wanted to keep them
private. Um

1568
01:31:46,083 --> 01:31:48,886
they currently are going to be
broadcast

1569
01:31:48,886 --> 01:31:51,656
but other than that, the
commission

1570
01:31:51,656 --> 01:31:54,926
can build in a, a period

1571
01:31:54,926 --> 01:31:57,495
um to discuss um what you were
just presented.

1572
01:31:57,495 --> 01:32:00,965
And I will if you decided that
you did not want to

1573
01:32:00,965 --> 01:32:04,135
be recorded if we turn off all

1574
01:32:04,135 --> 01:32:06,771
abovehead microphones, they will
not transmit the

1575
01:32:06,771 --> 01:32:10,074
audio, um, and then I can also
notify

1576
01:32:10,074 --> 01:32:13,110
our recording team at different
times if we'd like to conclude

1577
01:32:13,110 --> 01:32:16,180
the broadcast, or for the
recording, it's not broadcasted.

1578
01:32:16,180 --> 01:32:19,050
What I recommend doing, because
I

1579
01:32:19,050 --> 01:32:21,886
know specifically uh emotions
can be high

1580
01:32:21,886 --> 01:32:24,655
especially right after the
hearing has taken place. So

1581
01:32:24,655 --> 01:32:27,925
for us transitioning into open
discussion

1582
01:32:27,925 --> 01:32:30,561
may may be um in

1583
01:32:30,561 --> 01:32:33,130
my opinion, may not be the best
decision right after. I

1584
01:32:33,130 --> 01:32:35,800
do welcome whenever we have

1585
01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:38,402
um reflections that that if a
commissioner wants to bring up

1586
01:32:38,402 --> 01:32:41,405
any reflections from the meeting
or from from

1587
01:32:41,405 --> 01:32:43,975
the hearing, I think that that
may be the best just to

1588
01:32:43,975 --> 01:32:46,777
give everybody a time a chance
to kind of filter out

1589
01:32:46,777 --> 01:32:50,448
of the room. I really appreciate
that, um, chair

1590
01:32:50,448 --> 01:32:52,984
I I think it's a great idea to
make space. The thing

1591
01:32:52,984 --> 01:32:55,486
I would also offer as practice
of

1592
01:32:55,486 --> 01:32:58,289
a commission, you're making a
group decision and

1593
01:32:58,289 --> 01:33:01,692
so your ability to influence
each other and to

1594
01:33:01,692 --> 01:33:04,495
think together about the
outcomes is a great idea and

1595
01:33:04,495 --> 01:33:07,365
so if you can do that during
reflections, I think it could be

1596
01:33:07,365 --> 01:33:10,368
beneficial um overall, and again
we can

1597
01:33:10,368 --> 01:33:13,304
uh conclude the recorded portion
and determine how you want to do

1598
01:33:13,304 --> 01:33:17,108
that. I, I would encourage us to

1599
01:33:17,108 --> 01:33:19,877
consider a a a time just before
reflections

1600
01:33:19,877 --> 01:33:22,580
that specifically on the agenda
for the times that

1601
01:33:22,580 --> 01:33:25,082
we have hearings and that
specific

1602
01:33:25,082 --> 01:33:27,618
item is to reflect specifically
on the case. Instead

1603
01:33:27,618 --> 01:33:31,055
of having as just built in and
reflection as we needed

1604
01:33:31,055 --> 01:33:33,858
have a specific agenda item that
draws us to that

1605
01:33:33,858 --> 01:33:36,360
Now let me ask you this like
briefly while we're on the
subject

1606
01:33:36,360 --> 01:33:39,263
so do you want to just to be
hearing reflections

1607
01:33:39,263 --> 01:33:42,533
I would, I would put it as, um,
between L and M on

1608
01:33:42,533 --> 01:33:45,469
the agenda as um

1609
01:33:45,469 --> 01:33:49,040
hearing reflection and that
gives us all the in

1610
01:33:49,040 --> 01:33:51,642
real time, the time for us in
this moment, it might be

1611
01:33:51,642 --> 01:33:54,245
it might be as simple as simple
as. I don't even

1612
01:33:54,245 --> 01:33:56,814
know what I think about this.
I'm still sorting through. I
cannot

1613
01:33:56,814 --> 01:34:00,217
wait to receive the additional
information

1614
01:34:00,217 --> 01:34:02,887
to inform my decision. That
might be the extent of it, but

1615
01:34:02,887 --> 01:34:05,623
I think for us to have that
space because it might

1616
01:34:05,623 --> 01:34:08,159
be and me saying that Gabrielle

1617
01:34:08,159 --> 01:34:10,895
may say, hey, here's a thing
that might

1618
01:34:10,895 --> 01:34:14,532
you might wanna consider looking
at in that short run.

1619
01:34:14,532 --> 01:34:18,302
Makes sense. Sounds good to me.
All right, we'll add that to
next month's meeting

1620
01:34:18,302 --> 01:34:21,038
um, and if there's any from
today, we'll allow, you know, 10
minutes depending

1621
01:34:21,038 --> 01:34:23,741
on how much time we have, uh,
just to reflect about

1622
01:34:23,741 --> 01:34:27,244
today's hearing, but I think
it's a great idea. And obviously
if

1623
01:34:27,244 --> 01:34:29,780
the commissioners don't feel
comfortable depending on who's
in the room

1624
01:34:29,780 --> 01:34:32,717
you're not required to say what
your opinion is of the hearing.

1625
01:34:32,717 --> 01:34:36,187
OK. I have a question

1626
01:34:36,187 --> 01:34:39,457
Uh, when will you ask for our

1627
01:34:39,457 --> 01:34:42,893
decision? It's probably, I'm
gonna put it in an email, but

1628
01:34:42,893 --> 01:34:45,496
it's probably going to be due by
Tuesday. I try to give a couple

1629
01:34:45,496 --> 01:34:48,232
days after everything's due. And
in that regard

1630
01:34:48,232 --> 01:34:50,735
last time you asked that
everyone

1631
01:34:50,735 --> 01:34:53,471
send it to the group, but not
everyone did that

1632
01:34:53,471 --> 01:34:56,140
And so there's also the

1633
01:34:56,140 --> 01:34:58,843
timing of everything. Like if I
read, and I, I

1634
01:34:58,843 --> 01:35:01,679
was a teacher for a long time,
and I know that

1635
01:35:01,679 --> 01:35:05,049
sometimes students see what
someone else wrote, then they
write, Oh

1636
01:35:05,049 --> 01:35:07,585
I want to, you know, I want to
write like that

1637
01:35:07,585 --> 01:35:10,187
So we're biasing each other when
we

1638
01:35:10,187 --> 01:35:12,857
do that, but on the other hand,
if not everyone does it

1639
01:35:12,857 --> 01:35:15,393
then we're not seeing what
everyone wrote. So if

1640
01:35:15,393 --> 01:35:18,028
we could all do the same thing
and have proper

1641
01:35:18,028 --> 01:35:21,432
follow proper instructions that
would be helpful, especially

1642
01:35:21,432 --> 01:35:23,934
as a new person in this, in

1643
01:35:23,934 --> 01:35:26,737
this group. Yeah, so Josh just
spoke about that briefly

1644
01:35:26,737 --> 01:35:29,640
So there's not a legal
requirement that we send it to
everybody

1645
01:35:29,640 --> 01:35:32,243
so it's not um it's

1646
01:35:32,243 --> 01:35:34,779
not mandatory that you send it
to the remaining

1647
01:35:34,779 --> 01:35:37,314
commissioners, so it's up to you
guys. I mean, I can't

1648
01:35:37,314 --> 01:35:39,850
stop you from CCing everybody,
but it's only due to me

1649
01:35:39,850 --> 01:35:43,988
going forward. Is that OK All
right. OK.

1650
01:35:43,988 --> 01:35:46,524
Next up we're gonna do number 4
on the list, which

1651
01:35:46,524 --> 01:35:50,661
is DeA or DEPA Ghajar.

1652
01:35:50,661 --> 01:35:55,599
uh, Miss Claiborne, you are you
are the

1653
01:35:55,599 --> 01:35:58,235
HRC champion, but it doesn't
really matter because that case

1654
01:35:58,235 --> 01:36:01,839
was dismissed last time. Uh

1655
01:36:01,839 --> 01:36:04,608
Kaana Champion, which is number
5 on the list

1656
01:36:04,608 --> 01:36:07,111
Miss Simpson was the
commissioner of that one

1657
01:36:07,111 --> 01:36:09,647
was dismissed as well. Mr. Chair

1658
01:36:09,647 --> 01:36:12,983
if I may, the on the spreadsheet
the ones that

1659
01:36:12,983 --> 01:36:15,586
are highlighted are the ones
that are active. OK

1660
01:36:15,586 --> 01:36:18,222
That actually helps me out a lot
OK

1661
01:36:18,222 --> 01:36:20,758
Theodora Cruz, uh, there is an
update

1662
01:36:20,758 --> 01:36:23,494
related to Theodore Cruz from OS

1663
01:36:23,494 --> 01:36:26,163
or OCS A Maria, do you remember
the update

1664
01:36:26,163 --> 01:36:29,400
for that one? Um

1665
01:36:29,400 --> 01:36:31,936
and I'll have to follow up with
her

1666
01:36:31,936 --> 01:36:35,673
her.

1667
01:36:35,673 --> 01:36:38,409
I did speak with Alexis about
that case. Alexis, uh, is

1668
01:36:38,409 --> 01:36:41,245
not feeling well today, so she's
not here. Miss

1669
01:36:41,245 --> 01:36:44,648
Cruise did write back and she
responded that she would like to

1670
01:36:44,648 --> 01:36:47,351
move forward with the case. If
you remember last

1671
01:36:47,351 --> 01:36:49,920
time we gave her pretty much 30
days, say, hey, if we

1672
01:36:49,920 --> 01:36:52,756
don't hear from you, we're gonna
dismiss this matter. She

1673
01:36:52,756 --> 01:36:55,893
wrote back via text message. I
think that she's still

1674
01:36:55,893 --> 01:36:58,729
uh, she doesn't have a permanent
address

1675
01:36:58,729 --> 01:37:01,232
So based on her text message
that she

1676
01:37:01,232 --> 01:37:03,968
wants to continue the case, we
could do a couple things

1677
01:37:03,968 --> 01:37:07,004
and I think this is a great time
to bring this up. Josh

1678
01:37:07,004 --> 01:37:09,673
and I have been having

1679
01:37:09,673 --> 01:37:12,376
discussions surrounding how our
process looks formally

1680
01:37:12,376 --> 01:37:16,146
I don't necessarily think that
every case warrants

1681
01:37:16,146 --> 01:37:18,949
a hearing. Uh, we are a body
that has a myriad of things

1682
01:37:18,949 --> 01:37:21,685
that we could do from as little
as

1683
01:37:21,685 --> 01:37:24,355
you know, dismissing the case,
we could send a letter

1684
01:37:24,355 --> 01:37:27,658
an official letter on behalf of
the commission, you know, to

1685
01:37:27,658 --> 01:37:30,594
the complainant or to the
respondent, uh, with harsh

1686
01:37:30,594 --> 01:37:33,163
language, but we don't have to
move forward with the hearing

1687
01:37:33,163 --> 01:37:36,600
for every case. This specific
case involved an individual who

1688
01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:39,370
uh does utilize the services of
a wheelchair

1689
01:37:39,370 --> 01:37:41,972
She went to In Town Suites and
they pretty

1690
01:37:41,972 --> 01:37:44,542
much told her that they didn't
have a room, a room

1691
01:37:44,542 --> 01:37:47,845
available for her. Um, if you
remember

1692
01:37:47,845 --> 01:37:50,414
that case. whether or not
there's discrimination, I don't

1693
01:37:50,414 --> 01:37:53,083
know that's left up to us. We
can move forward with the
hearing

1694
01:37:53,083 --> 01:37:56,654
if we'd like to. Um

1695
01:37:56,654 --> 01:37:59,356
however, they've been, in terms
of the respondent

1696
01:37:59,356 --> 01:38:01,859
pretty responsive in saying, hey
we did everything we could to
try

1697
01:38:01,859 --> 01:38:04,662
to resolve this. We just didn't
have a room left. And she
actually

1698
01:38:04,662 --> 01:38:07,197
went to another hotel who could
provide a room

1699
01:38:07,197 --> 01:38:10,467
for her. Part of the situation
from that case was

1700
01:38:10,467 --> 01:38:13,137
that she went in, they didn't
have a room. They said that they
there will be

1701
01:38:13,137 --> 01:38:15,973
a period of time, uh, and so she

1702
01:38:15,973 --> 01:38:19,143
checked back and as she stayed
there long and she

1703
01:38:19,143 --> 01:38:21,645
had someone to pay for it. There

1704
01:38:21,645 --> 01:38:24,248
they, they were the room became
available

1705
01:38:24,248 --> 01:38:26,784
and they did not get it to her

1706
01:38:26,784 --> 01:38:29,653
That's what came up in one of
the, one of the points about
that. So

1707
01:38:29,653 --> 01:38:32,890
I just want to, to, to lift

1708
01:38:32,890 --> 01:38:35,426
that and so that's where it kind
of got a little

1709
01:38:35,426 --> 01:38:37,995
sticky when it was available

1710
01:38:37,995 --> 01:38:41,565
she wasn't given the ability to
get into it And she ended up
going to

1711
01:38:41,565 --> 01:38:44,134
another place because there was
a point when the statement was

1712
01:38:44,134 --> 01:38:47,104
since she was in another place,
let's just let it go.

1713
01:38:47,104 --> 01:38:50,507
which was odd to me, but

1714
01:38:50,507 --> 01:38:53,444
that was back some months ago.
right.

1715
01:38:53,444 --> 01:38:56,146
Do any of the other
commissioners have any thoughts
about this

1716
01:38:56,146 --> 01:38:59,750
case moving forward in light of
the text message that she wants
to

1717
01:38:59,750 --> 01:39:05,022
move forward.

1718
01:39:05,022 --> 01:39:07,658
I believe that we should hear
her out if she would like

1719
01:39:07,658 --> 01:39:11,161
if she would like to move
forward

1720
01:39:11,161 --> 01:39:13,831
OK. How does that

1721
01:39:13,831 --> 01:39:16,467
so both parties have submitted
responses for

1722
01:39:16,467 --> 01:39:19,837
for this case so realistically
the next

1723
01:39:19,837 --> 01:39:22,439
steps would be for us. What
we've been doing is scheduling

1724
01:39:22,439 --> 01:39:25,109
a hearing as it relates to the
case. Do you all

1725
01:39:25,109 --> 01:39:27,645
think that it, it's merits a

1726
01:39:27,645 --> 01:39:31,915
hearing moving forward.

1727
01:39:31,915 --> 01:39:36,220
How would we move forward if we
didn't hear her out?

1728
01:39:36,220 --> 01:39:38,856
that she wants to move forward.
She wants to appear, I

1729
01:39:38,856 --> 01:39:41,525
guess. Right. So that would be
up to us. We could, we could
tell

1730
01:39:41,525 --> 01:39:44,762
her to appear to give us
additional information. We could

1731
01:39:44,762 --> 01:39:47,464
schedule a hearing, it's not

1732
01:39:47,464 --> 01:39:52,169
really a structured process that
we have to follow.

1733
01:39:52,169 --> 01:39:56,106
For me, I guess the question is

1734
01:39:56,106 --> 01:40:01,078
is the respondent uh

1735
01:40:01,078 --> 01:40:05,449
disagreeing with the
complainants um

1736
01:40:05,449 --> 01:40:08,185
assessment. If, if they, if they
are agreeing with

1737
01:40:08,185 --> 01:40:12,489
it, then I don't think there is
necessary

1738
01:40:12,489 --> 01:40:16,460
a hearing necessary. We can make
a determination based on that.
But if there is a

1739
01:40:16,460 --> 01:40:18,996
if there's a disagreement in

1740
01:40:18,996 --> 01:40:21,699
the position of, you know, like
Tony

1741
01:40:21,699 --> 01:40:25,302
said, is, you know, was the room

1742
01:40:25,302 --> 01:40:28,105
offered to her even when she had
paid it

1743
01:40:28,105 --> 01:40:30,708
Then, then I think we need to
hear, hear

1744
01:40:30,708 --> 01:40:34,211
folks out Tony, do you remember

1745
01:40:34,211 --> 01:40:36,747
the specifics like surrounding
it? So, so

1746
01:40:36,747 --> 01:40:39,349
as I mentioned when I got here,
I don't have access

1747
01:40:39,349 --> 01:40:42,052
to my computer cause I left it

1748
01:40:42,052 --> 01:40:45,756
at retreat Center 2 hours away

1749
01:40:45,756 --> 01:40:48,425
I'm just remembering what stood
out for me

1750
01:40:48,425 --> 01:40:51,195
from that particular case. I'll
go through my notes in just a
second and see if I

1751
01:40:51,195 --> 01:40:54,498
have something from before, but
that's, that's all I

1752
01:40:54,498 --> 01:40:57,434
I remember right away. Is

1753
01:40:57,434 --> 01:41:00,738
us to review the documents again
and then make

1754
01:41:00,738 --> 01:41:03,841
a determination on whether we
feel like a hearing is necessary

1755
01:41:03,841 --> 01:41:06,376
Absolutely. So what we could do
is we can make a motion to move

1756
01:41:06,376 --> 01:41:09,012
this case to the April meeting,
provided that uh during that
time period we

1757
01:41:09,012 --> 01:41:12,349
reviewed the documents and have
the commission vote on how

1758
01:41:12,349 --> 01:41:15,686
to move forward at the April
meeting. I make a motion

1759
01:41:15,686 --> 01:41:19,323
Is there a second? All those in

1760
01:41:19,323 --> 01:41:22,126
favor? Aye. Are those opposed?
Any abstentions

1761
01:41:22,126 --> 01:41:24,628
All right, we've moved to table
that case to the

1762
01:41:24,628 --> 01:41:28,332
April meeting so that the
commissioners can review the
documents and come

1763
01:41:28,332 --> 01:41:30,901
up with a potential game plan

1764
01:41:30,901 --> 01:41:33,403
Up next is #7 on the master
calendar, which

1765
01:41:33,403 --> 01:41:36,306
is Bianca Tucker.

1766
01:41:36,306 --> 01:41:39,543
Commissioner Simpson is the HRC
chair. I

1767
01:41:39,543 --> 01:41:44,248
believe letters have been sent
out for that hearing. Amario, is
that correct?

1768
01:41:44,248 --> 01:41:46,817
Yes. All right, so that's
scheduled for the

1769
01:41:46,817 --> 01:41:49,386
May date. And Alexis was the one
that

1770
01:41:49,386 --> 01:41:52,990
sent those out. Perfect.