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Welcome, residents, neighbors, and guests. I think you guys are so well

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trained. I didn't even have to start talking and it just went quiet.

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so, as is the norm here in chambers, we'll start first with a prayer and a pledge and

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then we'll move to the agenda.

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great god in heaven, we come together as a commission of the city of

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atlantic beach representing citizens. And the best interests

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of our city and our citizens. Give us wisdom tonight to do those things that are most appropriate

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for all the best interest of the majority of our citizens.

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we ask this in your holy name. Amen. If you'll join me,

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic

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for which it stands, one nation, under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice

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for all.

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this meeting of the city commission of the city of atlantic beach, dated march 23, 2026, will now come

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to order. Donna, can we do a roll call, please?

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commissioner bohl? Present. Commissioner grant?

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present. Commissioner kelly? Present. Commissioner ring?

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she's absent. Mayor ford? Present.

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thank you, donna. Before we actually get into the agenda,

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with the permission of the commissioners, I would like to make two adjustments

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in timing on the agenda. One, I would like to insert a short presentation

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from both judith larue and lisa goodrich into the courtesy of the floor segment item 2a,

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right behind doug conkey, the presentation to him. Would that be okay? Okay, we're good.

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and then I would like to move

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up resolution number 26-53, item 8f

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on your agenda currently. I'd like to move that to item 8a, proceeding or beginning the action

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on resolutions before the

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current resolution that's number 26-45. So this would be inserting

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26-53 ahead of 26-45. We're good? Okay.

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thank you. Let's see.

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so do I have a motion for approval of the minutes?

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make a motion to approve the minutes. Okay.

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we have a motion and second. All in favor, signify with aye. Aye.

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okay. Minutes are approved. We'll move to courtesy of the florida visitors,

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and we'll start with mr. Conkey. Mr.

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conkey, would you come up to the podium, please?

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and if you just stand by, I'm going to read this, but then I'm going to join you down below and we'll do a quick

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photo. But mr. Conkey is with st.

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john's river water management district. He has a lot to say often about water use,

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water conservation. We're currently in a water conservation period, and this is water conservation

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month, so it's kind of timely on that. But this is a proclamation of the city of atlantic beach

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in recognition of water conservation month. Whereas water is a basic and essential need

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of every living creature, and whereas the state of florida water management districts and the city of

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atlantic beach are working together to increase awareness about the importance

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of water conservation, and whereas the city of atlantic beach and the state

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of florida annually designate april typically a dry month when water demands are most acute as florida's water

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conservation month to educate citizens about how they can help save florida's precious water

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resources, and whereas every business, industry, school, and citizen can make a difference

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when it comes to conserving water, and whereas because efficient

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irrigation design, programming, and maintenance can conserve water, the city of atlantic

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beach encourages citizens and businesses to evaluate their irrigation systems for

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potential efficiency enhancements.

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now, therefore, I, curtis ford, mayor of the city of atlantic beach, florida, do hereby proclaim the month of

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april as water conservation month. In atlantic beach and encourage

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each citizen and business to help protect our precious resource by practicing water saving measures and becoming

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more aware of the need to save water for this the twenty eighth year of water conservation month

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there will be a special focus on ensuring that outdoor irrigation systems operate efficiency efficiently by using

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properly functioning rain shutoff devices by making sure these devices are installed

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connected and working as intended community can prevent unnecessary watering, reduce

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waste, and better use of the rainfall we receive. In witness whereof, I have set

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my hand and caused the official seal of the city of atlantic beach to be affixed this 23rd day

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of march 2026. Can we give him a hand? Doug?

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we don't need to face the audience chambers. It's an honor to celebrate the

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engagement this week.

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this is the year

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of the mission chambers on a regular basis, representing the history, but really representing what is

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important to us as a mission. We need to celebrate this. So thanks to all of you.

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this is a point of time. Good night. Good night. Mayor, fellow commissioners, thank you so much for squeezing

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me in. I made a late ask. I'm going to be out of the country for a bit,

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so I wanted to get a lot of these done because right now it's obviously very important. Water conservation is the 28th

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year, so the state takes it very seriously. But one small, you know, we always have a theme, and

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this year's theme is rain shutoff devices.

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most people don't know that since may of 1991, they are mandated to be

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on the installation of all automatic irrigation. Systems.

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and I would take the over under at 30% or less of if they're still operating,

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because if they're either installed correctly or incorrectly, and if nobody's

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doing the maintenance on them, they aren't working. So I'll take the under

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on that one. That's probably a good bet. So we really want

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to get that word out on something that saves water just by being there and working correctly.

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but I also wanted to talk about, obviously, the more important part is we're in a modified phase two

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severe water shortage. Which is no joke. And you can see it in all your ponds.

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and obviously your utility is probably giving you regular reports. We don't go there just

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on a whim. It's based on two critical criteria, lack of rain, lack

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of a lot of rain. And then we actually have groundwater monitoring wells that are

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at the 10th percentile or less, which means the aquifer is getting pretty low. So we have to take steps

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to ask people to really step up the game. Obviously, we ask all classes of water users to reduce their

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water use and conserve water to the maximum extent possible, because the weather service doesn't paint a good picture

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until this summer, hopefully, as we transition la nina to el nino.

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all public supply water consumptive use permittees, which would be like the cups,

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which would be the utilities, should institute or accelerate system-level water conservation measures that can help manage

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demand. All commercial, industrial, and institutional water use should

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be voluntarily reduced. Here's the big one, because as you drive around,

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it's pretty easy to see the harsh results of a winter. Landscapes have been crushed.

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we're asking people to hold off on major projects like replanting grass, replanting the big water-using

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plants or trees, just because that takes a 30-day exemption, and that's an awful lot

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of water. Also, when we fast forwarded the clock. A couple weeks ago,

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you get an extra day for watering. We're holding everybody still at one day

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for the foreseeable future until things get better. So only one day a week. All recreational area water use

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should be voluntarily reduced. So obviously you've got a lot of kids now. Springtime is out.

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they want to play on the ball fields. The grass is kind of brittle.

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we understand that. Just try to be as respectful of the use of water. Here's one biggie

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for the hoas, and I'm sure you've got a lot of hoas because you have a lot

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of wonderful neighborhoods. Washing or cleaning of buildings or structures and outdoor impervious surfaces.

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this is the time hoas say, all right, time

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to pressure wash your house, pressure wash your driveway. Let's make everything look

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pretty. With this order, we are preempting all hoa covenants and restrictions

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on the aesthetic use of pressure washing. So they cannot force you to do that or write you up

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for that. Now, obviously, if you're doing it for construction or a paint job or something,

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that's obviously an exemption. So no person or entity like a homeowners association or property manager shall enforce

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any deed restrictions or other community standards that would cause a violation of this order.

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one misnomer also is I'm on a well, so it doesn't apply to me. This applies to all wells,

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whether it's an hoa's irrigation or your well that you have on your irrigation. The wells must comply as well.

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so that's basically a basic outline. But I want to thank you so much for allowing me

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to come here. Thanks so much for the proclamation squeezing me in.

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and obviously, if you have any questions, then I can be of any assistance. And tonight's a winning night

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anyhow because I have commissioner bowl and I have my classmate, pete mccauley, class of 84, in the back.

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so tonight's a great night. Pete army. Thank you so much thank you our next um presenter it's actually

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a duo uh I'd like to invite judith larue to the

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front and uh lisa goodrich judith larue is a long-term judith is a long-term resident of the city

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of atlantic beach involved in so many things was

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on the first um esc committee. But judith happens

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to have a nonprofit by the name of nature connect florida. Did I get that right, judith?

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yes, you did. And nature connect with judith's decisioning and

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influence is kindly going to speak to us today

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about a gift in kind of a of a community garden at our new facility,

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which is now known as marsh oaks community center. Assisting in this endeavor is lisa goodrich.

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she'll speak second, if that's okay. And judith, take it away. Okay.

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yeah, it's my pleasure to be able to do this. But first of all, I want to thank you all for having the

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foresight and the courage to buy this building, because I

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know it was not always something that people thought was going to be good idea having toured the building.

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which I'm just going to call mock. It's a lot easier. It's going

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to be such a great asset for the community. It's amazing, the space inside.

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and it's my hope that the garden, which is going to be essentially in the front yard

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of the center, should you choose to accept this, will be, well, it's going to add to the center

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as a gathering place, possibly a teaching forum. The most important thing that community gardens grow is

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connection and community. So to add to that gathering space and also, you know, to have the ability to.

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to use it as a classroom is a great thing.

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it's the kind of thing that I want to do with nature connect florida, because it's my belief that, and the reason

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that I named it that is that when you connect people to nature, they're much more likely

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to appreciate it and take care of it. So there's that, but it's kind of like an oscar speech.

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I have a couple of other people I want to thank you.

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thank you, mayor ford, because

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at my request, he helped me through the process, this and really of this and brought it together.

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I know you're a gardener yourself. So help. Helping me move this idea

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through the city system. And also lisa goodrich

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of the late of the arts recreation and culture community. I wanted to bring this

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to you as a package of peace in which essentially the work was already done, that there would be an element

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to it that was aesthetic because it is sort of the front yard. We want it to be beautiful and

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lift the space. And lisa, I was delighted to learn from her that arc had already in 2024 identified a community

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garden as something that... Was one of their priorities. So it all seems to be coming together

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in a really nice way. So she's been terrific in helping me pull the concept together. I think she might have visited

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every community garden within 50 square miles, and she's got a lot of great information. So she's going

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to tell you how it all can work in the city system. Thank you, ms. Larue. Hi.

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thank you. I am pleased to stand before you today and what it's most likely my last official

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kind of talk as a member of arc. Next week is my last week, and the reins will be turned

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over, and the entire committee is thriving, and there's lots

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of great people there. But I'm pleased to end on this high note. Like judith said,

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and first I really want to thank her for this super generous gift.

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I mean, this is a tremendous gift. To the community, and we're all going to be better for it.

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in march, like she said, march

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2024, we identified a community garden as a way to activate the marsh oaks community center.

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having it right in the front yard, it will be a beautiful and welcoming space for everybody that visits.

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we envision 32 plots. Six of those plots will be handicap wheelchair accessible.

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six of the plots will be part of a community, a true community garden.

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they'll be managed by several people who will, I'm sure, organically identify.

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and then the other, excuse me, the other plots, the other 26

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plots will be allotment plots for the, excuse me, allotment plots for the community to lease.

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on a yearly basis where they can come in with their families and grow food.

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let's see. She's already contracted with a...

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gardening gardener. His name is garrett lopez and he specializes in native

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plantings and gardens and his heart is in community gardens.

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he's done several in this city alone, several yards in a native and

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florida friendly landscape. He will come in after the parking lot is done and the

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power line is buried and all the water is run to the to the front yard there. He's going to,

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and the swale is dug, and there'll be a little bridge that goes over the swale and a pergola and a fence that

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surrounds the property with honeysuckle vines growing on it.

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and then when you walk in through the center aisle, it has been designed to have a

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small pond and native plants and flowers there for pollinators, and then all

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the garden beds will be along the side. They're made out

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of corrugated you steel to stand up to all the elements and have a long life.

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he will provide all the plant plantings for the six community focused beds and put all the soil in all the other beds so

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that when the community hopefully at the grand opening of the center can get excited about it and they can sign up

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for a plot there and this would

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ideally work through the recreation department through civic rec.

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and since I understand that they'll be moving their offices

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over to that building, it'll be a good idea

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for people to sign up face-to-face so we can make sure that they understand the agreement of what it takes

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to manage one of these plots. Along with this, our new city arborist has applied you for a grant through aarp to

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supplement the garden and everything that judith is so graciously donating and

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garrett is building to seed some programming around the garden for the

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community and a shed and some

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tools and things like that that everybody can share and use

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together. Does anyone have any questions about the garden at all?

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very cool. It's going to be a great thing. First of all, I've known

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judith for quite some time and I'm so delighted that this donation is being made, but I'm equally as delighted that

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you're involved in it because I know your pedigree for success.

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so thank you for doing that. Thank you for serving so long on the arc. I do recall that there was a

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concern, and I'm not sure we can address it when we get to the actual resolution, but about making sure the power

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line was varied. Not just to the garden, but from the power pole

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at the street to the building and then to the garden. So I want to make sure we

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address that when we get to that, when we get

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to the resolution. And for the people in attendance,

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what really struck me about this, I love to garden and I can kill more herbs and

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spices and tomatoes than anybody.

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but what was particularly interesting about this is the concept that it's not,

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maybe it's not even as much about you the vegetables and the herbs that we grow, but it's about community and

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bringing people together and having a place of exchange.

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and in this case, the icing on the cake is the handicap accessibility, which you've built

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into the plan. So we'll have a little more conversation when we get to the resolution,

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but thank you both for being engaged. We so appreciate it. Thank you.

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thank you. Okay. At this time.

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we're going to go ahead and start courtesy of the floor. And I'm going to apologize if

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it looks different. Sometimes we have a couple of presentations

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like this and it's okay to applaud. But I want to remind everybody

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during courtesy of the floor, the direction is only to the commission from the speaker.

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and there is no applause or boos or other indications of preference. How many do we have?

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thirteen. Oh, wow.

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we have 13. It's like everybody in the audience. Okay.

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I'm going to allow for five minutes per person. Usually I cut it off when we go to 10, but I

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think we've got some important things to be said. So let's call our first person. Jim wheatley.

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and I know you did.

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hi.

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good evening. Talking about the development of 500 atlantic, I've borne witness to overdevelopment

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to the rape of florida over 55 years. We just came up from winter

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park last night. What a mess down there. I knew central florida when

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there was hardly anybody down there. Look at it now.

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what a disaster. It's been my experience that developers will make sure that the right folks are in place that serve their purpose.

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I've seen it over and over. I have no knowledge, I have no direct knowledge of jack's beach nor neptune beach

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inside going on. Seems like the realtor mayor of jack's beach can't get enough overdevelopment.

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the appearance is the attorney slash mayor of neptune beach is determined to follow suit. Demonstrably, this has not been

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the case at atlantic beach. After observing the apparent very cozy relationship between the 500 atlantic

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developer and ms. Byland at the joint neptune atlantic beach commission

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meeting, it seems very much that this kmart center is a done deal as far as neptune beach is

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concerned. Few facts. I emailed a freedom of

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information request to the city clerk at neptune beach a few weeks back.

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I asked about this development. She replied,

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for the last three years. She replied, there are no official records in neptune beach

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of any discussion about this development. I can only speculate how or why the city commission in

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neptune beach would be on board. Of course, there could not be any non-official communication

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on the subject, and this would violate sunshine laws. Perhaps the mayor of neptune beach has some sort

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of independent authority to grant the developer clark launch. I did inquire of the mayor of

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neptune beach how many years were anticipated.

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this was unknown to her a few months back. What is guaranteed are higher

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taxes, more congestion, more crowded classrooms, more pollution, and more people into the beaches.

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florida house bill 337, act of 2021, puts all the associated infrastructure and

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extra costs regarding these developments squarely on existing taxpayers. Developers ain't paying it.

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taxpayers are paying it. We don't have to meet taxpayers.

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although a recent inquiry about how many units went unanswered.

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I seem to recall number 330 to 335 packed condos, apartments, or so.

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figure a thousand more cars packed into atlantic and 3rd street.

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I believe a low-income housing component is part of this project. Last I checked,

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the vast majority of f&b citizens were vehemently opposed to this transgression

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into their community. I've come across a few exceptions that have been enriched one way or the other

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from this looming degradation of our lifestyle. Now, if you can't trust an attorney who's bought and paid

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for by an unwanted developer, who can you trust? Last commission meeting, the developer's attorney

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stated, property owner will figure out how to tie into existing

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tank or seek a permit of their own. There are two other options.

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in other words, they don't have to have a nice beach water. You can say no comfortably.

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the homily of one neighbor helping another just isn't so. The only entity that should be helped here is the unwanted

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developer. This argument is akin to the russians helping ukraine

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in their efforts for urban redevelopment. It is not a matter of cost.

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thirty pieces of silver cannot make up for the degradation

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of our lifestyle. Let's be clear here.

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this is not about supplying water to neptune beach in general. I've heard some arguments that,

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oh, the poor people in neptune beach need more water. No.

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this simply goes to that development. That is the sole purpose of

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this proposed water line. I know every perp.

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I've been here enough that I know every. Everybody here is here

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for the right reason. They've always been in the best interest

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of a bank beach. I may agree, I may disagree, but it's always ethically.

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honestly, it's a fire line, so tribe bridge can further degrade our lifestyle as being

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in our best interest, nor the interest of neptune beach. Here's the question I hope the

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commissioners are considering. Whose best interests are being served here, the developer or the citizens?

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thank you. I may excuse myself early because my wife is a little bit under the weather. Yes, sir.

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thank you. Carolyn zisser.

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hello and good evening, commissioners, city attorney,

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commissioner, mayor. My name is carolyn zisser, a long-term resident of

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atlantic beach and also a long-time attorney. My address is

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of record. I submitted a letter to each one of you this morning in which I

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carefully detailed my legal analysis of this resolution and

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supposedly, supposed agreement. And I stated my opposition

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to that. And what I'd like to do is summarize that for you. My theme, it's harder

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to say. No for the right reasons than to say yes

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for the wrong reasons.

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and I'd like to tell you the seven right reasons. To say no tonight and to deny this resolution and

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in a local agreement. First, most atlantic beach citizens who you represent have

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already spoken mainly

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against this resolution. And I have been here at many of those meetings, not all of them, but most of them.

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when I have heard that cry in the audience. Two, this is not

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about being neighborly. This benefits the developer.

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it doesn't benefit the citizens

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of neptune beach, but the developer only. Third, if you read the

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agreement. Closely, it's not limited to fire suppression, as many

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of you or a few of you may have been led to believe. You have

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to read the fine print. There's 13 pages of fine print, single space. And it gives the developer the

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opportunity to ask for more water for other reasons other than for fire protection.

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four. If we consider, if you all consider it or any of you consider it a neighborly

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development, you don't know who the developer is going to be because the developer has the

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right to sell and the water being

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able to get the water suppression will enable it to be sold. There's a big difference

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between a big box development or a mall of boutiques. Or housing development, which

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will cause even more traffic onto the main arteries, which we share with neptune beach, namely atlantic

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boulevard. Five, the developer has told

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you in a previous meeting that they have other options for

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fire protection suppression if this council denies the

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request. So deny the request.

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don't get yourself into the problems that can come from this agreement. Let them solve their own

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problems. Six, I'm so glad the first speaker talked about water

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conservation because last but not least, this proposed resolution and the interim

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agreement is against water conservation. And against the judiciary's use

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of water in the event that there is a drought, in the event that there's a fire.

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we have to look at the worst case scenarios.

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we have to prepare for the best, prepare for the worst, and hope

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for the best.

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that's what we lawyers do. And the worst case scenario would be a drought, a fire in

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neptune beach, and the need for fire suppressant in beach.

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what happens if we can't do both? Therefore, and this 13-page

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single-space agreement adds risk and complexity that we don't need with everything else we're trying to accomplish in

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atlantic beach. The city of atlantic beach, in summary,

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does not need this agreement. It does not benefit us. It has real and potential harm

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in both the enforcement and in its interpretation. I would like to put on the record, I know I sound

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like a lawyer because I am, I'd like to put on the record my letter that I wrote this

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morning so that it's upon the record as well as dr. Nancy stats' letter that she provided as well.

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thank you.

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thank you. Thank you, ms. Disser.

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oh, sorry. Holly waters.

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good evening, commissioners. My name is holly waters.

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I live at 374 4th street. And as you know from previous letters that I've written,

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I started a non-profit to protect trees in atlantic beach. I'm here because as you discuss

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the priorities of the environmental stewardship committee next week, month,

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I urge you to strongly consider strengthening the city's tree protections. The current system of codes and

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enforcement clearly are not really working and we're losing far too many trees, especially the heritage trees,

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to development. These trees provide shade, air quality, and stormwater protection.

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more and more cities around the state are working within the florida rules to tighten their own city

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enforcement

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of tree protection. Just recently, fernandina

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beach increased fines for removing heritage trees up to $20,000 per tree. In 2023, a tree service in

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tampa was required to pay over $234,000 for illegally removing trees, even

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after many appeals it still had to pay. We need to incentivize tree

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preservation. Cities like tampa and st. Petersburg offer stormwater fee

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credits for tree canopy maintenance. Orange county has tightened tree protections

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for heritage trees. Replacement trees must add up to five times the size

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of the original tree. Specimen trees replacement are three times.

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the cost to remove a heritage tree starts at $21,000. Planning boards are looking

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at increasing setbacks. And finally, ramesh bush from the north florida land

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trust has offered to do a workshop.

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on land conservation for local governments. I spoke to him today.

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as you know from previous correspondence,

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the charity now has been awarded 501c3 status, so we can start raising money and get federal and state tax-exempt

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status. So I look forward to working with the city, the constituents, and up.

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raising money and going forward. Thank you, ms.

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waters. Julie lagoy.

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good evening, mayor ford and commissioners, mr. Hogenkamp.

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I wrote a letter, and I'll just kind of summarize the letter. I was at a meeting

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in this room thinking like two years ago, it was in summer, and it was standing

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room only jam-packed and not one single person was, it was about giving water the same.

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not one person was in favor of giving our water to city

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of neptune beach or the

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developer. So, and it was discussed and it still is a problem that water is a dwindling and precious

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resource. So it's just very frustrating that it's,

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we're discussing this again. And so in my email, I just asked. You two commissioners to write

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to me is how did this come again?

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because the commissioners that night all said that they would not vote to do that or support it because there was such

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strong opposition to doing that, to giving our water to a developer or to the city

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of neptune beach. And we are also just,

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I'm going to address the neighborly, we are a city of neighbors and we need

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to take care of each other. Something could happen. Water is dwindling. We need to watch out.

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for our residents to make sure if there is a drought or if we

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need our water we have access to it thank you so much thank

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you miss lagoy sarah bourne hi

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good evening sarah bourne I

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live on on 8th street in north atlantic beach I have a couple

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comments mostly just questions on some resolutions that are on your plate tonight.

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so for resolution 2649, the commercial beach access and vehicle operation policy, I

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noticed that you explicitly mentioned ahern, but not 7th street or 19th street that also

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has kind of vehicle access. So I'm wondering if you would

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be willing to add that, since you explicitly mentioned

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ahern. And then I had a question about what, you know, our current vendors,

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like our beach trash pickup, are they affected by this policy?

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moving on to resolution number 2650 of the establishment of residential turf block

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cost-sharing program. I guess I'm seeking a bit more clarity on what problem or

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problems the city is trying to solve. And is the problem occurring everywhere or only in a few

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places? I know we have very narrow

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streets. I know that people are parking in the right-of-way. That the solution is more

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structured parking needed, but is that all over the place?

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and then, you know, are we trying to solve flooding and erosion?

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so I think my most biggest ask about this is can we somehow determine and require that what

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is installed has a better infiltration rate and lower

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heat island effect than the current situation? It would be awful,

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in my opinion, if this initiative caused more flooding and heat island issues than

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that was there before. And are we, is it only open

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cell turf block allowed or other permanent? Permeable options allowed,

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several of which have higher infiltration rates than cell turf black.

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don't get me wrong. I'm not against cell turf

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black. I'm just asking some questions. Will artificial turf and plastic blocks be allowed

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regarding maintenance? Who is in charge of the recommended kind of deep cleaning vacuum cleaning that's

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recommended by the manufacturer? Because that's kind of unclear

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in the responsibilities. Will herbicides be allowed, potentially increasing our non-point source pollution

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to our waterways? Will only grass be allowed or can native ground cover be

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encouraged? Are these new kind of structured parking spots

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allowed in areas that are already flooding or will it be a specific installation be required maybe

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with more percolation volume? So there's my question

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for that. On resolution 2653, I just want to say a ginormous thank you

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to nature connect florida and judith larue. She was not only the founding

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member of esc, but it's like the pre-committee that even got it in as an ordinance and exceptional inaugural chair

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of the esc. And thank you to arc and lisa

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goodrich for its time and expertise. And I know that ese.

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also wanted to do a community garden, and then we were kind of

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steered towards edible orchard. So if the community garden is there, if there's spots for

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edible trees that doesn't cause shade or anything, then I think esc, we'd have

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to go to esc, but I think it would be amenable in proving that.

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and then I noticed that in the schematic. That it looks

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like it's all raised beds but if there is a need to uh

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test the soil which is what we were going to do because there was concerns um I would be

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happy to donate that soil testing the cost of that um just so we're all we all know

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because a couple trees have died over there and we never knew why.

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on the ordinance 9026259 I

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understand the triggering of the code and the landscape buffer.

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again, just questions. I'm not trying to wreak any havoc,

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but it seems like by my reading, it's a one-time payment when a landscape buffer

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would keep on giving after installation. And then just wondering if

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there's any chance that that $162k payment could be spent on the ab side, you know.

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and then as far as the...

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neptune beach water tie-in. I have a lot of questions, but I'll just kind

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00:38:12,500 --> 00:38:15,300
of name one. Do we know the timeline for neptune's beach for improving

425
00:38:16,633 --> 00:38:18,067
its pressure situation? And are you all open

426
00:38:24,433 --> 00:38:27,200
to maybe, I mean, resolutions are kind of temporary in nature, like

427
00:38:28,700 --> 00:38:31,900
just putting maybe a revisit date in the resolution so that if something happens

428
00:38:33,500 --> 00:38:37,333
to develop, or I'm not saying that they'll go bankrupt, you

429
00:38:38,633 --> 00:38:42,367
know, just. We can't ever anticipate. So just a consideration. So thank you for the time.

430
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,033
thank you, ms. Boren. Lisa harrell. Lisa harold, my address is

431
00:38:52,267 --> 00:38:56,267
on record. I'd like to speak about the neptune beach water tri agreement, interlocal tri

432
00:38:57,633 --> 00:39:01,300
persons entity agreement. One of the previous speakers, mrs. Zisser, two words stuck out

433
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,300
to me when she spoke, and it's risk and complexity. So I really, really...

434
00:39:18,433 --> 00:39:21,767
fail to understand the need for us to enter into an agreement,

435
00:39:24,767 --> 00:39:28,500
a three-party. It's not like we're entering into an agreement with citizens of neptune beach

436
00:39:30,867 --> 00:39:34,767
who have low water pressure and don't have enough water for their daily needs. We're, you know, helping

437
00:39:37,867 --> 00:39:41,700
someone develop property. And does the city really want to get into that position?

438
00:39:44,100 --> 00:39:47,833
I mean, we're having a hard enough time dealing with neptune beach with the paid parking.

439
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,867
that we just went through you know however many months ago when they raised the do you

440
00:39:53,067 --> 00:39:56,767
know what I'm saying so I urge you just to sit back and especially since the developer has other

441
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,867
options there's this is not like oh my goodness we can't get insurance we can't develop the property unless you so as

442
00:40:03,067 --> 00:40:04,467
the water. Thanks. Thank you, ms.

443
00:40:12,900 --> 00:40:14,233
harold. Mitch reeds.

444
00:40:19,700 --> 00:40:22,900
thanks. Good evening, everyone. First of all, I just want

445
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,067
to take a short message to say many of you that watch the media platforms, facebook

446
00:40:28,300 --> 00:40:30,800
and all of them, you're drawing a little heat on the bicycles, the police

447
00:40:33,633 --> 00:40:37,600
department enforcement right now. And I think that's totally

448
00:40:38,767 --> 00:40:41,600
unfair because people have complained and complained that something's happening.

449
00:40:42,900 --> 00:40:45,500
you asked the police department to do something.

450
00:40:47,167 --> 00:40:50,400
they actually have done something. It was great to see the

451
00:40:51,867 --> 00:40:55,033
officers starting friday to be on bicycles driving around in the city.

452
00:40:56,567 --> 00:41:00,067
and yes, they wrote a 60-year-old lady a ticket, and everybody says they're getting

453
00:41:01,533 --> 00:41:05,200
a citation. The truth is, is when I looked into it, they're not getting a

454
00:41:06,367 --> 00:41:09,800
real violation. They're getting a warning. And therefore, if they get a second warning,

455
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,967
they probably get a violation. So I want to commend the police department for doing it.

456
00:41:16,033 --> 00:41:18,700
you can't have both. And by the way, if a 60... Year old lady doesn't

457
00:41:20,067 --> 00:41:23,700
understand you can't run a stop sign then how do you expect a 10 year old to understand it not

458
00:41:24,933 --> 00:41:26,167
to run a stop sign but thank you atlantic beach police

459
00:41:30,700 --> 00:41:34,000
department for doing this I'm probably going to be the only one up here to speak differently

460
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,400
about the fire suppression water but I think there's some more facts there's a lot of things being said tonight that

461
00:41:39,467 --> 00:41:42,733
are misleading number one atlantic beach and neptune beach we're not they're not taking our water stealing our

462
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,233
water. They draw the same water we draw, same location. The water is only going

463
00:41:48,300 --> 00:41:51,900
to be used for suppression system, not fire hydrants. Fire hydrants are free.

464
00:41:53,067 --> 00:41:55,867
there's no charge. And if you look at this, let's say, let's pray that they don't

465
00:41:57,133 --> 00:41:58,400
have a fire, that they need a suppression system.

466
00:42:01,167 --> 00:42:05,000
that's a pretty good investment for a city to put $0 to have a water line put in and get revenues of $72,000

467
00:42:07,533 --> 00:42:10,633
a year. Whether it's used or not used. And I think that's interesting

468
00:42:11,833 --> 00:42:15,467
if that's a true number, the rumor I've heard. It's $6,000 a month is what I

469
00:42:16,567 --> 00:42:19,367
heard, but I can't confirm it. And then, so anyway,

470
00:42:20,867 --> 00:42:24,633
real quick with that, I would think if you're uncomfortable tonight with it, jessica, commissioner ring is

471
00:42:25,767 --> 00:42:29,500
on spring break with her family overseas. Or either stuck in the tsa line.

472
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,767
I don't know where she is. But she had a lot of pros and con questions

473
00:42:39,167 --> 00:42:42,067
in this topic. And I think later on that maybe somebody would make a

474
00:42:43,700 --> 00:42:43,700
resolution to postpone it to

475
00:42:48,233 --> 00:42:51,567
another meeting so she could have the opportunity. I think we did it for

476
00:42:52,900 --> 00:42:55,900
commissioner kelly one time to have an opportunity to give her opinion

477
00:42:57,367 --> 00:43:00,133
on that too. And I think that would be the right thing because she did ask

478
00:43:01,567 --> 00:43:05,333
a couple of things. Real quick, downtown. I understand. I understand what you're asking

479
00:43:06,700 --> 00:43:06,700
in ragtime.

480
00:43:16,367 --> 00:43:19,033
it's more complex than you really know.

481
00:43:20,433 --> 00:43:24,200
the town center is a beautiful thing. We are so lucky to have a town center that looks

482
00:43:25,500 --> 00:43:28,267
like it is. And yes, amanda's writing a report that we have zero

483
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,267
setback. The problem is one day we need to do an overlay with us and neptune beach in case we have a

484
00:43:34,533 --> 00:43:38,267
hurricane or a big major fire that we can build town center back just like it is. Because we don't want to be

485
00:43:39,633 --> 00:43:42,267
like the other cities do. So that's the real elephant in the room, or those that

486
00:43:43,700 --> 00:43:47,667
don't think it's an elephant, the donkey in the room, whichever one you prefer to use.

487
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,633
but so I support that. The only thing that I have a question about is this,

488
00:43:55,133 --> 00:43:59,033
is the hundred and something thousand, I don't have the exact number in front of me, but the hundred

489
00:44:00,567 --> 00:44:04,567
and something thousand. I'm a little concerned who came up with the idea that it would go

490
00:44:05,867 --> 00:44:08,667
to town center, not against town center. But I think the better idea

491
00:44:09,933 --> 00:44:13,800
that there should be some discussion with that. And what I would like to see is the same thing that you did

492
00:44:15,033 --> 00:44:18,567
for 42 east coast when they needed something. They paid a fee and they and that money they paid up front,

493
00:44:19,900 --> 00:44:23,300
which still hasn't been fixed on sturgis, still going on a year ago. Almost they paid for it,

494
00:44:24,567 --> 00:44:27,333
but not that long. And what I suggest that that

495
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:32,433
money do is collect the... $100,000, whatever it is, and have it put in an escrow account with the

496
00:44:33,633 --> 00:44:36,533
city attorney's office. Therefore, that money is there. Whether they build or don't

497
00:44:37,700 --> 00:44:41,267
build, they've already paid up front for them. And thank you so much

498
00:44:42,633 --> 00:44:46,133
for tonight. And I'm under five minutes. Thank you, mayor reeves. Bruce andrews.

499
00:44:57,933 --> 00:45:00,267
good evening. Bruce andrews, 11th street in atlantic beach.

500
00:45:06,900 --> 00:45:09,567
so I came tonight, but I had another thought. Sorry.

501
00:45:11,367 --> 00:45:14,200
first of all, I just was thinking as I was looking at the city manager's report,

502
00:45:16,833 --> 00:45:20,000
how refreshing it is to have proactive communication to the public

503
00:45:21,267 --> 00:45:24,233
about what's going on in our city. And I appreciate that.

504
00:45:25,433 --> 00:45:28,733
that he's proactively doing that. He's also very responsive when asked to engage

505
00:45:29,833 --> 00:45:33,533
on community issues by citizens.

506
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,633
so thank you, kevin. But my main reason for coming was to talk about

507
00:45:40,167 --> 00:45:43,633
something that I was excited about seeing in the agenda when I looked at it last week.

508
00:45:44,767 --> 00:45:47,567
I had an email come through about the ragtime property and giving them the exception for

509
00:45:48,933 --> 00:45:50,600
landscaping. Requirements because

510
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,600
of space limitations, et cetera, and the fact that they're going to give us a payment instead.

511
00:46:00,833 --> 00:46:04,467
I saw that and that got me to look at the agenda. And I saw another item that was close to my heart because, and

512
00:46:05,900 --> 00:46:08,567
it's the resolution 26-50 concerning the turf block, which I come

513
00:46:10,300 --> 00:46:13,633
to wholeheartedly support. Although I did hear some issues from my good friend, sarah

514
00:46:14,933 --> 00:46:17,600
boren, earlier about questions and things. But just in general, the

515
00:46:18,967 --> 00:46:21,867
concept, I think, particularly in old atlantic beach, where I live, I know that it would be a

516
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,100
great thing because I walk my dog and there are all kinds of similar turf block, right

517
00:46:27,533 --> 00:46:30,567
of way, paved areas all over the place that are, I guess, technically illegal.

518
00:46:32,367 --> 00:46:35,300
I also know people that have asked over the past couple of years to have them put

519
00:46:36,533 --> 00:46:36,533
in so that they don't have

520
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,467
to park their vehicle on the street. And they've been denied. So, again, it's been kind

521
00:46:56,867 --> 00:47:00,500
of a you know, I don't I don't park on the street and I don't need a turf block.

522
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:05,133
I have a grandfathered in circular driveway. Thank you very much. But other people

523
00:47:06,167 --> 00:47:09,533
on my street do. And when I first moved onto 11th street 25 years ago, nobody ever parked

524
00:47:10,700 --> 00:47:14,100
on the street. They're always in their driveway. Then, you know, the little

525
00:47:15,167 --> 00:47:18,600
homes get knocked down. The big homes get built. There's not enough room for cars and they've got a golf

526
00:47:19,667 --> 00:47:23,467
cart and they don't want to have to. Back out one car to get the other one

527
00:47:24,633 --> 00:47:27,467
in and out. And so people now are parking on the street.

528
00:47:28,967 --> 00:47:31,500
good. And we have the little kids on our street.

529
00:47:34,133 --> 00:47:37,633
and our good friends, katie across the street have four little boys.

530
00:47:39,133 --> 00:47:42,633
and she told me about coming down to seminole one day and they were getting ready to turn, go to seminole

531
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,767
westbound on 11th street. And there was two cars parked in the road on the left-hand side.

532
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,000
and a car at the same time they were

533
00:47:53,300 --> 00:47:57,000
in their proper lane on their bicycles, a car came around off seminole, avoiding the two parked cars

534
00:47:58,900 --> 00:48:02,667
on the street, came over into the wrong lane. The little boy literally head on the car, fortunately,

535
00:48:03,833 --> 00:48:06,567
at extremely low speed. Nobody was hurt. But, you know,

536
00:48:09,767 --> 00:48:12,633
it freaked the mother out who was a half a block behind the little boy.

537
00:48:13,967 --> 00:48:15,300
so getting cars off the street would be a great thing.

538
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,433
I sent you all a picture. A couple hours ago, you may not have seen it of my next door neighbor and who I was telling

539
00:48:23,733 --> 00:48:27,567
him he's going to be excited about this if y'all pass it because he is one of those people that asked

540
00:48:29,433 --> 00:48:32,500
to put a little pull off and was denied. So he's he's hoping it will be

541
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:37,267
passed and he can move his car off the street onto the right away onto this nice new turf block that, you know, is built

542
00:48:38,467 --> 00:48:41,967
in a way that, you know, hopefully is permeable and doesn't require herbicides and all of those good things.

543
00:48:43,233 --> 00:48:45,833
speaking from the environmental stewardship committee.

544
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,167
anyway, so I think safety, aesthetics, getting cars off the street is a great thing.

545
00:48:54,700 --> 00:48:57,800
and I encourage you to do it. I also think that the little. Test areas that we've done

546
00:48:59,067 --> 00:49:01,600
on some of the access streets between beach avenue and ocean boulevard could be

547
00:49:03,167 --> 00:49:06,333
expanded. I think the mayor's talked about that in the past.

548
00:49:09,167 --> 00:49:12,500
and so doing more, instead of parking, you know,

549
00:49:13,867 --> 00:49:16,700
and making sand, dirt areas, have actual proper parking. And let's see, I've got 35

550
00:49:17,900 --> 00:49:20,067
seconds, so I might as well use it. The landscape thing that I

551
00:49:29,467 --> 00:49:32,500
mentioned a minute ago, I'm not sure what... Mayor ease was referring to,

552
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,100
but I think that any money that they pay in lieu of doing landscaping should be spent

553
00:49:39,267 --> 00:49:42,200
on landscaping. And we could jazz up the four corners at atlantic boulevard

554
00:49:43,667 --> 00:49:47,500
and ocean boulevard there in front of where ragtime was or embellish ahern and do a better job back there.

555
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,367
so I hope we'll reinvest that money into the beechstown center.

556
00:49:54,067 --> 00:49:55,233
thank you very much. Thank you, mr.

557
00:49:59,267 --> 00:50:01,667
andrews. Brinkley harrell.

558
00:50:06,133 --> 00:50:06,133
your time is up.

559
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,167
good evening. I'm brinkley harrell. Good evening, mr.

560
00:50:21,667 --> 00:50:25,500
mayor, commissioners, city clerk, city attorney, city manager. I'm brinkley harrell, 266th

561
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,000
street. Never afraid to tell people my address.

562
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:35,200
most of y'all know where I live. If you see my garage door open, just slow down, wave, beat the

563
00:50:36,233 --> 00:50:39,600
horn, or dodge me, depending on if I'm trimming trees up in the street. There are a number

564
00:50:40,833 --> 00:50:42,667
of hot button issues for us right now.

565
00:50:45,833 --> 00:50:49,167
oh, but also, I've only lived here 53 and a half years now. I don't know it all,

566
00:50:50,233 --> 00:50:53,367
but I see a lot over time. I've seen a lot of change.

567
00:50:55,967 --> 00:50:58,567
I've seen the city grow from 06,000 residents to 13,500. We're all built out.

568
00:51:00,167 --> 00:51:03,667
but we still have hot button issues, one of which is beech's town center parking. We're still hassling back and

569
00:51:04,733 --> 00:51:08,233
forth with the city of neptune beach because they're not trying to be a good neighbor to us

570
00:51:09,367 --> 00:51:12,533
on beech's town center parking. They're, in many people's opinion,

571
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:17,500
trying to take advantage of us. You know, I'm not so sure, but it's an unresolved issue.

572
00:51:18,500 --> 00:51:22,200
you know, we only have... About 25% of the inventory in paid parking slots. So there's a mathematical

573
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,967
formula that could be brought up as far as splitting operating costs, splitting revenue, or with the age

574
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:29,567
of computers, they can tell exactly how much revenue our

575
00:51:41,333 --> 00:51:44,967
parking spots are generating versus their parking spots generating. What's fair is fair,

576
00:51:48,233 --> 00:51:49,433
but it's an unresolved issue with the city of neptune

577
00:51:53,100 --> 00:51:55,967
beach. The fire water, fire water resolution 26-48,

578
00:52:01,633 --> 00:52:04,333
there's a lot of issues that have been pointed out. On the one hand,

579
00:52:05,833 --> 00:52:08,533
there's no sunset in it. It's open-ended.

580
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,667
there's no incentive for neptune beach to fix their problem.

581
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:16,167
and I think it's just a veiled attempt for us to solve one

582
00:52:18,933 --> 00:52:21,700
of their problems. We probably shouldn't be doing that.

583
00:52:23,333 --> 00:52:26,733
I certainly hope that... Well, and there's other options that the developers already stated that they have.

584
00:52:27,933 --> 00:52:30,900
but ironically, as I skimmed through it, it actually had listed rates if they start

585
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,567
using water. Well, that means that it's contemplated that they might

586
00:52:36,733 --> 00:52:39,733
use water for something besides fire suppression. Sounds kind of crazy to me.

587
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,800
there's no development plan that we can look at. So in the absence of

588
00:52:45,033 --> 00:52:47,833
commissioner ring, who's attending a wedding in venice.

589
00:52:49,567 --> 00:52:53,367
in her absence here, I certainly would like for y'all to at least defer resolution 26-48 until there's a full

590
00:52:54,733 --> 00:52:58,700
commission, because she's been quite vocal on a number of key points on that.

591
00:53:00,067 --> 00:53:03,300
another hot-button issue is this interlocal agreement contract that we're

592
00:53:04,667 --> 00:53:08,267
contemplating, that we're doing with the city of jacksonville.

593
00:53:09,900 --> 00:53:11,900
what I didn't see was the list of all the bidders and the

594
00:53:16,767 --> 00:53:16,767
bidding amounts,

595
00:53:22,633 --> 00:53:26,633
which was kind of ironic because I think it's kind of crazy that we're going

596
00:53:28,133 --> 00:53:31,367
to a west palm beach-based law firm to do this. And what does west palm beach

597
00:53:32,900 --> 00:53:35,533
know about our little enclave of atlantic beach?

598
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,233
that just seems kind of crazy to me. There certainly could have been

599
00:53:41,867 --> 00:53:45,133
a duval county, northeast florida bidder. Might have been a couple

600
00:53:46,667 --> 00:53:50,467
of thousand dollars more, but... They probably really know the issues a lot better.

601
00:53:54,967 --> 00:53:57,767
so beech's town center parking, the linkage on that with neptune beach, along

602
00:53:59,100 --> 00:54:01,700
with the fire water resolution, the interlocal agreement. Contract, which, you know, I

603
00:54:04,033 --> 00:54:07,233
think the city manager is going to discuss that a little bit

604
00:54:08,733 --> 00:54:12,167
more. And I would be remiss if I did not say something

605
00:54:13,533 --> 00:54:17,233
about the intersection of ahern street and east coast drive that needs a four-way stop.

606
00:54:18,467 --> 00:54:22,067
yes, there's lots of studies that say that all the crashes that have been there have been mere fender benders.

607
00:54:23,500 --> 00:54:26,967
but with all the jaywalking that new 42 east coast building, the grand, is generating.

608
00:54:29,700 --> 00:54:32,367
it doesn't take but a bump by a car to a pedestrian or a

609
00:54:35,833 --> 00:54:38,667
bicyclist. That pedestrian or bicyclist falls down, hits their head,

610
00:54:40,267 --> 00:54:43,433
has a concussion, and dies. That's not a fender bender. That is real liability that the

611
00:54:44,733 --> 00:54:44,733
city's got because

612
00:54:50,667 --> 00:54:53,433
of all the jaywalking at that intersection. And to end all this,

613
00:54:54,900 --> 00:54:58,167
I think that we could save a lot of money on housing allowance if we end the city

614
00:55:02,300 --> 00:55:06,233
manager recruitment. And just stay with the status quo, we could, you know, already in atlantic

615
00:55:07,867 --> 00:55:10,767
beach resident than 1 for 810 years. You know I'm all for that.

616
00:55:12,133 --> 00:55:15,233
so thank you very much. Thank you for your time. Good evening.

617
00:55:16,933 --> 00:55:18,233
thank you, mr. Harold for being on time.

618
00:55:22,533 --> 00:55:22,533
david, you.

619
00:55:32,700 --> 00:55:36,533
david view, 381 3rd street. I've only been a resident around here for about 60 years.

620
00:55:37,833 --> 00:55:40,767
but I already mentioned to the mayor about this turtle crawl.

621
00:55:42,467 --> 00:55:45,000
it's a lot harder than it looks.

622
00:55:46,533 --> 00:55:48,267
I've been hunting submarines for 24 years in the ocean.

623
00:55:51,667 --> 00:55:54,267
I could always find a submarine, but I can't find these sea turtles.

624
00:55:56,333 --> 00:55:59,733
they're pretty well hidden. But anyway, about water and trees.

625
00:56:01,167 --> 00:56:01,167
I've been watering my tree,

626
00:56:05,333 --> 00:56:08,333
my heritage tree, with my rain barrel water. I can water it whenever I want.

627
00:56:09,767 --> 00:56:11,300
I can water my yard a little bit and my driveway.

628
00:56:15,567 --> 00:56:19,133
and then the neighbors started complaining, hey,

629
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:24,167
what is that water? It's coming from my roof. And I said, oh,

630
00:56:26,233 --> 00:56:30,200
how's that happen? Because I got a rain barrel. It'd be nice if we had rain barrels.

631
00:56:31,467 --> 00:56:34,400
anybody that wanted them and about trees uh speeches and poems are made like fools

632
00:56:35,867 --> 00:56:35,867
like me but only god can make a

633
00:56:42,500 --> 00:56:44,233
tree thank you thank you mr bugh laura conahan I'm sorry

634
00:56:50,667 --> 00:56:52,533
laura conahan conahan am I saying that right okay good

635
00:56:57,833 --> 00:56:59,033
evening, mayor ford. Good to see you and council.

636
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,867
I'm just here. My name is laura conahan and I work at the dune house hotel

637
00:57:10,067 --> 00:57:11,100
and spa, formerly known as one ocean.

638
00:57:16,100 --> 00:57:19,500
I have been serving there as the assistant general manager for the past eight years.

639
00:57:20,667 --> 00:57:20,667
I'm here tonight to,

640
00:57:24,700 --> 00:57:27,800
I know that there are a lot of important topics. But to talk about resolution

641
00:57:29,433 --> 00:57:32,500
2649. In asking where the dune house has been

642
00:57:34,033 --> 00:57:37,233
under renovation. I'm just here to answer some

643
00:57:40,900 --> 00:57:43,800
questions maybe that council had originally, simply just to say that we will continue

644
00:57:48,667 --> 00:57:50,100
to be 193 rooms. We are not expanding the

645
00:57:53,500 --> 00:57:56,600
structure itself. We will continue to have... A new restaurant called

646
00:58:01,233 --> 00:58:05,033
coastal farmer that will be even better than azarea, but it'll be a restaurant that has been open to the public prior

647
00:58:06,333 --> 00:58:09,367
to the renovation and going forward. Open to the public means that

648
00:58:12,733 --> 00:58:14,000
that would be for the restaurant only.

649
00:58:21,667 --> 00:58:24,933
it would not grant any additional beach access or allow non-guests to filtrate into more space

650
00:58:26,267 --> 00:58:27,600
in the public beach area. We would be serving only our

651
00:58:39,967 --> 00:58:42,867
193 guests with beach chairs and umbrellas, which we have done consistently year over year.

652
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,100
again, we are going to have a wonderful ice cream shop that will be open to the public, a

653
00:58:49,100 --> 00:58:49,100
wonderful coffee shop that will

654
00:58:55,467 --> 00:58:58,700
be open to the public. And we hope to be good stewards

655
00:59:00,367 --> 00:59:03,400
and neighbors to the community going forward. We just held a jax chamber

656
00:59:04,700 --> 00:59:08,400
event, which was fantastic. And we can hope to continue to do all of these things to benefit our wonderful

657
00:59:10,433 --> 00:59:13,867
community. And I look forward to speaking more, hopefully, about...

658
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:18,967
a resolution 2649 later this evening. Thank you so much for your

659
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:24,733
time. Thank you, ms. Cunahan. Charles dewitt.

660
00:59:33,167 --> 00:59:36,400
good evening, counsel. My name is charles dewitt. I am formerly at 425 atlantic boulevard, now in neptune

661
00:59:38,333 --> 00:59:41,000
beach. I just moved recently as we sold our hotel.

662
00:59:42,867 --> 00:59:46,033
but I am a business owner in neptune beach, atlantic beach, and jacksonville beach.

663
00:59:47,300 --> 00:59:51,233
I'm also talking about the resolution 2649. I've been working with the dune house before when it was

664
00:59:52,700 --> 00:59:55,233
one ocean. And I believe that the topic

665
00:59:56,967 --> 01:00:00,733
came up as we were trying to figure out a safer way for equipment to be transported.

666
01:00:03,500 --> 01:00:05,300
as laura said just a moment ago, there is no...

667
01:00:08,900 --> 01:00:11,733
no desire to change the current plan. It was just

668
01:00:12,967 --> 01:00:15,867
to really touch base on how we've been able to do our essentially driving

669
01:00:17,167 --> 01:00:18,367
in different local municipalities.

670
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:26,400
the neighboring municipalities have ordinances and the

671
01:00:27,833 --> 01:00:31,467
permission for us to be able to, if the need occurs, not necessarily

672
01:00:32,533 --> 01:00:33,833
for anybody to do whatever they want.

673
01:00:37,333 --> 01:00:41,267
it's if the need occurs to um have access to drive on the same accesses that may

674
01:00:42,433 --> 01:00:46,233
be or specific ones. You know, you can limit them. They're not every single beach

675
01:00:47,500 --> 01:00:51,167
access, as stated earlier, where there are different places that can be driven on.

676
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:55,267
I believe the current idea is for atlantic boulevard to be the restricted one

677
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,400
for this specific purpose, allowing it to be a much smaller area where the vehicles

678
01:01:01,667 --> 01:01:04,700
will be driving. Obviously, like I said, if things stay the same.

679
01:01:06,033 --> 01:01:09,133
the amount of vehicles on the sand. We want to limit it as much as

680
01:01:10,300 --> 01:01:13,167
possible. We don't necessarily want to encourage more tires

681
01:01:14,467 --> 01:01:17,000
on the sand, but with the training and the proof of concept that we've had and

682
01:01:18,733 --> 01:01:21,900
the experience that we have, that's why we were kind of in this conversation to show

683
01:01:24,067 --> 01:01:28,033
that it can be done if desired, and it can be beneficial on the times that the there's a need to quickly help and assist,

684
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:33,467
get things on and off the sand. If there's a need for a vehicle to be required,

685
01:01:34,733 --> 01:01:37,767
it's possible to be done because that in the moment

686
01:01:39,433 --> 01:01:42,767
of an emergency, the lifeguards shouldn't necessarily need to worry about those items that

687
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:47,733
necessarily aren't for human safety, but necessarily are

688
01:01:50,867 --> 01:01:54,067
for the ecosystem where like if equipment or if anybody's. Belongings get left

689
01:01:55,433 --> 01:01:59,067
behind because they're having to leave in an emergency. Sometimes if they're left

690
01:02:01,067 --> 01:02:01,067
behind, they end up in an area

691
01:02:05,333 --> 01:02:08,900
that isn't necessarily good for the community. So that's really the main thing

692
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:20,000
that I would like to say is that necessarily the, sorry, it's not really

693
01:02:21,300 --> 01:02:22,833
recommended that every single day there's more vehicles

694
01:02:27,767 --> 01:02:31,500
on the beach is what I'm trying to say. But that being said, if there are questions

695
01:02:32,567 --> 01:02:35,667
in the future that need to be answered, I have a lot of experience driving

696
01:02:36,833 --> 01:02:40,633
on the beach and a lot of experience in 70 miles of different coastline. I mean, we have been doing it

697
01:02:44,567 --> 01:02:47,700
from jacksonville beach all the way down to crescent beach area.

698
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:54,367
so I think that's all. Thank you. Thank you, mr. Dewitt.

699
01:02:55,467 --> 01:02:56,600
jackie beckenbaum. Good evening, commission, city

700
01:03:02,167 --> 01:03:04,933
staff, city attorney, city manager, city clerk.

701
01:03:07,033 --> 01:03:08,500
first of all, I do want to comment on resolution 8b,

702
01:03:14,133 --> 01:03:17,967
but I also wanted to take a moment to thank whoever it is that handles the russell park tennis courts,

703
01:03:19,767 --> 01:03:23,433
because after the recent storm, a number of those windshields

704
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:27,167
that are attached to the fencing around the

705
01:03:29,167 --> 01:03:31,267
tennis courts had ripped off and was were laying around on the courts themselves.

706
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:37,567
and within a day or two, those were all replaced and back up on the side.

707
01:03:39,700 --> 01:03:43,233
so who's ever doing that? Appreciate the quickness in getting that repaired. Also appreciate your report.

708
01:03:44,733 --> 01:03:48,067
kevin, it's very helpful to have yours. Summary overview

709
01:03:49,933 --> 01:03:53,633
of what's happening in the city but I did want to comment as a number

710
01:03:54,633 --> 01:03:58,367
of other people have on the resolution 8 26 48 that

711
01:04:00,300 --> 01:04:02,900
and I have a couple of questions I feel

712
01:04:04,567 --> 01:04:06,367
like I'm supportive of smart growth and regional cooperation

713
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:12,367
but I feel like it's important that whenever there's an agreement that's being made

714
01:04:13,733 --> 01:04:17,233
between neighboring cities that the agreement should actually be necessary and that it should

715
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:21,267
fully protect the residents of atlantic beach first and foremost.

716
01:04:22,533 --> 01:04:25,367
a few of the questions I have, if the developer sells the property or the property

717
01:04:27,133 --> 01:04:29,500
changes ownership, do those obligations and agreement transfer fully and how would

718
01:04:31,267 --> 01:04:31,267
that be reinforced?

719
01:04:38,733 --> 01:04:42,633
and is there any scenario when the city of atlantic beach would inherit? This responsibility back?

720
01:04:43,933 --> 01:04:47,900
and who's responsible for repairs, upgrades, failures of the water pipe over the next 10, 20, 30 years?

721
01:04:49,500 --> 01:04:50,867
I think these are all questions that need to be addressed.

722
01:04:57,500 --> 01:05:01,333
if the agreement is approved, how will the city handle future developers requesting similar arrangements?

723
01:05:02,700 --> 01:05:05,533
are we setting a precedent to be a supplier of water, which I think after some of the

724
01:05:06,767 --> 01:05:09,867
discussion this evening. I don't think we want to be in

725
01:05:12,567 --> 01:05:15,067
that business. I think we want

726
01:05:18,933 --> 01:05:21,500
to be protecting our water. What is the tangible benefit

727
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:27,367
to residents of atlantic beach in exchange for entering into this agreement? Is there anybody who benefits

728
01:05:28,700 --> 01:05:31,133
besides the developer? Because I don't see any benefit to the citizens of neptune

729
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:35,767
beach, and I really don't see any benefit to the city of atlantic beach either.

730
01:05:37,033 --> 01:05:39,733
at the last commission meeting, stephen devenow, the attorney for the developer,

731
01:05:41,133 --> 01:05:44,867
stated that tri-bridge would move forward with the project regardless of whether atlantic beach

732
01:05:46,033 --> 01:05:49,600
entered into an agreement with them, that they had other options like putting up a holding tank

733
01:05:51,033 --> 01:05:54,033
specifically for this project or tapping into the tank that already

734
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:58,300
exists to protect publics from fire suppression. So why not consider those

735
01:06:05,833 --> 01:06:09,333
options? That to me seems... Way less disruptive to our community.

736
01:06:10,433 --> 01:06:13,300
it doesn't put ab at risk for whatever is in this 14-page agreement.

737
01:06:14,833 --> 01:06:17,733
and I feel like we are also enabling the city of neptune beach

738
01:06:20,167 --> 01:06:20,167
by providing fire suppression.

739
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:31,533
they have not gotten their infrastructure up to speed since the early discussions about this property started 10

740
01:06:32,900 --> 01:06:34,067
years ago. And they're still

741
01:06:37,133 --> 01:06:40,567
in the same place. So are we not enabling them by offering to take care

742
01:06:42,633 --> 01:06:46,367
of this water issue? So I would just ask two things. One, to delay this decision.

743
01:06:48,433 --> 01:06:51,700
I think also jessica ring, commissioner ring, should have

744
01:06:53,333 --> 01:06:57,267
an opportunity to weigh in on this because it is a very significant decision. And secondly, I would like

745
01:06:58,433 --> 01:07:01,633
for this commission to explain to me, like I'm five years old,

746
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,733
why this is beneficial. For us to get involved with a city that is not run very well,

747
01:07:07,533 --> 01:07:10,500
that hasn't taken care of its infrastructure, and why should we be the ones

748
01:07:11,867 --> 01:07:14,433
to bail them out? So I would ask for that, and I would also ask that we don't

749
01:07:16,067 --> 01:07:18,733
vote on this this evening, and if we do vote, that you all vote no

750
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:23,300
to supply them with fire suppression water. All right,

751
01:07:25,067 --> 01:07:28,533
thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you, ms.

752
01:07:30,033 --> 01:07:33,233
beckenbaugh. That's all I have, mayor. That was only 12.

753
01:07:34,767 --> 01:07:37,000
13. Oh okay I missed one uh thank

754
01:07:39,033 --> 01:07:42,200
you and with that we'll close courtesy of the floor and we'll move on

755
01:07:47,733 --> 01:07:51,067
to city manager reports mr hogan thank you mayor ford to the city commission and to

756
01:08:03,133 --> 01:08:07,133
the community the report that I provided these meetings is published on the city website and is available at the door

757
01:08:08,867 --> 01:08:12,333
these meetings I'll start with the first thing on the agenda and go down the list on the agenda and

758
01:08:13,533 --> 01:08:16,833
then add a couple others first the neptune beach city council has indeed voted unanimously to maintain the paid parking rate

759
01:08:18,067 --> 01:08:18,067
at 2.50 an hour through

760
01:08:22,567 --> 01:08:25,567
december 31st this enables both the cities of the landing beach and neptune beach

761
01:08:26,833 --> 01:08:30,833
to evaluate full year of data before considering rate adjustments, and it sets the stage for us to

762
01:08:32,100 --> 01:08:35,233
extend our interlocal agreement in the meantime. City manager pike continues to

763
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:39,900
maintain excellent communication with me on this and other mutual concerns, and

764
01:08:41,067 --> 01:08:43,933
our staff is now reviewing two months of reports. Financial reports revenue

765
01:08:45,267 --> 01:08:48,700
reports that the city manager has provided and he is going to provide the march report in advance of an april meeting

766
01:08:49,833 --> 01:08:49,833
that we have

767
01:08:55,900 --> 01:08:59,867
to further our discussions on this topic um may I comment on this um thank you for that update it occurs

768
01:09:01,367 --> 01:09:04,933
to me that one of the main reasons for delaying the change to any

769
01:09:06,233 --> 01:09:10,000
number different than what we're charging today which is the team. $2.50 per hour is to give time

770
01:09:11,067 --> 01:09:13,633
for data to actually be analyzed to make better, more sound

771
01:09:15,900 --> 01:09:19,500
decisions that hopefully won't have to be adjusted again, or at least not relatively

772
01:09:31,267 --> 01:09:34,200
quickly. In light of that, I think the same thing should apply

773
01:09:35,633 --> 01:09:37,367
to our agreement on the which is expired.

774
01:09:40,833 --> 01:09:43,500
it's more than a year expired with neptune beach, but I would ask

775
01:09:46,767 --> 01:09:50,200
with this commission's consensus on it that we respond back that we agree and we could actually take a vote now and or

776
01:09:51,367 --> 01:09:54,300
get consensus to to have you ratify their decision on the 250 but also to gain their

777
01:09:58,467 --> 01:10:01,467
agreement that we would delay any restructuring of our agreement until the

778
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:04,233
december I think you said december 31st I did yes you

779
01:10:09,500 --> 01:10:13,433
know so the december 31st date that would be eligible for reconsideration of the parking fee thank you.

780
01:10:14,700 --> 01:10:17,233
would also be the date eligible for reconsideration of our partnership agreement.

781
01:10:21,867 --> 01:10:25,800
and right now, that partnership agreement for simplicity is 70 percent of the growth

782
01:10:27,233 --> 01:10:30,267
of the growth income on the parking spaces in atlantic beach.

783
01:10:31,700 --> 01:10:35,533
and it is not it doesn't get in the weeds on costs to administer and so on.

784
01:10:37,500 --> 01:10:40,433
it's simply 70 percent of the gross, allowing 30 percent

785
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:44,000
to cover administrative costs. So... Commission, can I gain your

786
01:10:45,867 --> 01:10:48,367
consensus to send the city manager back to discuss that with city of

787
01:10:50,233 --> 01:10:53,967
neptune beach? Mayor, I support that,

788
01:10:55,133 --> 01:10:58,600
but I would like to say, and I know kevin is engaged over there, we all went through the last year of the

789
01:10:59,967 --> 01:11:03,300
parking. I think transparency and up front with us, and again, part

790
01:11:05,700 --> 01:11:08,367
of this is on people that made that original agreement, right, or in this room, I'm one

791
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:13,600
of them, and we didn't ask for those updates. And I think we're getting some updates.

792
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:18,400
I think that's... Part of the discussion as we go back. So I'm with it if that's

793
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:22,700
along the deal. Mayor? Yes.

794
01:11:23,633 --> 01:11:27,000
I'm also with having kevin do that. I do think it needs to be shared, though.

795
01:11:28,267 --> 01:11:29,433
it's important to understand who we're negotiating with,

796
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:36,333
right? As in business, it's good business to understand the

797
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:41,367
people you're talking to. Trying to negotiate a fair deal with.

798
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:44,000
as some of you know, I'm the representative

799
01:11:47,833 --> 01:11:50,200
for the beech's town center agency. And the last meeting,

800
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:56,833
which I was not able to attend to a work commitment, but in getting the report, the behavior

801
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:00,333
from the representative from neptune beach prompted the

802
01:12:02,900 --> 01:12:02,900
president of the merchants

803
01:12:08,300 --> 01:12:12,100
association down in atlantic beach and the town center, including neptune beach, was so upset and so flustered and just

804
01:12:13,233 --> 01:12:17,133
really unnecessary behavior directed towards her prompted her resignation.

805
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:18,600
so she's no longer president

806
01:12:23,133 --> 01:12:26,067
of the merchant association and she's no longer on the beach's town center agency.

807
01:12:27,767 --> 01:12:31,467
so this is who we're dealing with. This type of this rudeness and unprofessionalism.

808
01:12:32,500 --> 01:12:34,833
and I just want it to be known. That that's who you're dealing

809
01:12:42,733 --> 01:12:44,500
with and to act and be cognizant

810
01:12:48,633 --> 01:12:51,367
of that type of potential response. Thank you, commissioner.

811
01:12:53,567 --> 01:12:57,000
just clarify. They've already agreed to wait till 31 december. So what are you asking kevin

812
01:12:58,267 --> 01:13:02,067
to do? Two things. They've only agreed to the 250 per hour charge to be extended

813
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:07,400
through december 31st. They have not agreed. To not come back to atlantic beach, let's say in 30, 60, 90

814
01:13:08,633 --> 01:13:12,267
days with a new agreement for the split. And I want the split.

815
01:13:14,267 --> 01:13:17,167
I want the agreement we have with neptune beach on what is paid to atlantic

816
01:13:18,533 --> 01:13:21,633
beach to be coinciding with the december 31st date, because it's on the same basis

817
01:13:22,900 --> 01:13:26,767
that I want the data. And I want to know things like if they, for example, they recommend that we take a net

818
01:13:28,133 --> 01:13:30,767
split, a net of revenue, net of expenses. Is and then split it.

819
01:13:32,367 --> 01:13:36,367
I need to know what those expenses are and why, and do we agree with them, so that's one thing.

820
01:13:37,733 --> 01:13:40,733
anyways, that's but the second thing is he to get this formalized to where

821
01:13:42,100 --> 01:13:44,800
we're not failing as well on the communication. The agreement is they will

822
01:13:46,133 --> 01:13:49,500
notify us of changes. We will discuss them and ratify them.

823
01:13:51,167 --> 01:13:54,300
and it doesn't have to be a regular formal vote with a resolution or a an ordinance,

824
01:14:04,233 --> 01:14:08,133
obviously. But we will give our city manager the authority to go back and say we agree.

825
01:14:12,567 --> 01:14:13,733
and that way it's all in the open.

826
01:14:16,867 --> 01:14:19,833
it's in the sunshine. Well, it sounds like you have a good working relationship

827
01:14:21,033 --> 01:14:23,600
with ricky. I do. Is that the only one that

828
01:14:26,767 --> 01:14:28,433
counts? I mean, is that the most

829
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:34,733
important relationship? Just to give you some perspective as

830
01:14:37,533 --> 01:14:40,733
to where we are, we are negotiating, and I'm maintaining that we

831
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:45,567
want to keep the 70-30 split through the end of the year. He countered

832
01:14:47,867 --> 01:14:47,867
with something differently

833
01:14:53,900 --> 01:14:56,133
before this neptune beach city council decision.

834
01:14:59,100 --> 01:15:02,733
so in our next meeting. We'll see how that goes and I'll report back to you. Okay.

835
01:15:04,100 --> 01:15:06,300
so at this time, do we have consensus to send the city manager back

836
01:15:09,700 --> 01:15:13,000
to ratify the 250 through the end of the year, december 31st? Yes. Okay.

837
01:15:14,367 --> 01:15:17,500
you have that. Is that reflected on our 18th and 19th as well?

838
01:15:18,633 --> 01:15:21,733
no. 18th and 19th are separately administered by us. Same prices?

839
01:15:22,767 --> 01:15:25,933
yes, we do have the same price at 18th and 19th. Okay. Thank you.

840
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:30,933
thank you. We have received notice of the approval of our $300,000 fema funding request for our stormwater master plan

841
01:15:31,933 --> 01:15:35,300
update. This grant, which requires our already budgeted $100,000 city match, enables us

842
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:38,667
to move forward with the long-awaited update to our 2018 master plan.

843
01:15:40,667 --> 01:15:43,600
we will share a proposed timeline and scope on this project very shortly.

844
01:15:45,300 --> 01:15:46,433
congratulations. Thank you.

845
01:15:50,133 --> 01:15:53,933
city engineer swan, who is with us tonight, is continuing to coordinate with the florida department of

846
01:15:55,133 --> 01:15:58,100
environmental protection to advance a forward-thinking senate bill 64 compliance

847
01:15:59,333 --> 01:16:03,100
strategy for the city. Last week, the city received dep's recognition of the project's ecological benefits,

848
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:07,667
as touted by mr. Swan, and this marks a significant milestone in our pursuit of of senate

849
01:16:08,833 --> 01:16:12,200
bill 64 compliance as there are no identified project killers at the moment. And by pursuing freshwater

850
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:16,033
salinity barriers rather than deep well injections. The city aims to protect the

851
01:16:20,767 --> 01:16:23,200
local tree canopy and ensure the long-term environmental stewardship while remaining

852
01:16:25,367 --> 01:16:29,133
fiscally responsible as there are tens of millions of dollars at stake here. I did this last time, but I

853
01:16:30,267 --> 01:16:33,600
don't know if this city knows how valuable that city engineer is back there. If you look at some of these

854
01:16:34,967 --> 01:16:38,967
projects that we're going through I know I did last time but he's actually here tonight okay uh but he's invaluable to

855
01:16:39,967 --> 01:16:43,367
this program I'm sure you feel the same way I just had to point that out as you go through these initiatives

856
01:16:44,333 --> 01:16:48,033
thanks thank you indeed I concur uh in terms of the marshall's community center while we remain on schedule

857
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:52,833
for a july 26 soft opening and are moving forward with our july 11th centennial event at beaches veterans memorial

858
01:16:54,767 --> 01:16:57,933
park. We're now planning to hold the community center and community garden ribbon cutting

859
01:16:58,867 --> 01:17:02,200
in september. An update on the aquatic gardens hopkins creek stormwater improvements.

860
01:17:03,567 --> 01:17:05,700
the major components of the project affecting flood control have now been successfully

861
01:17:08,233 --> 01:17:08,233
completed.

862
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:15,000
while the coordination

863
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:23,100
of fema funding often moves at a glacial pace, we're pleased

864
01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:50,833
to report that the project is in its final stages, and we expect all work

865
01:17:52,033 --> 01:17:53,300
to be finalized by the end of april.

866
01:17:56,100 --> 01:17:59,600
good. The rfp for the farmers market operator, it's hit the street

867
01:18:00,833 --> 01:18:04,533
on friday and responses are due.

868
01:18:06,667 --> 01:18:09,667
it hit the street last friday. Responses are due april 15th. Staff will bring a

869
01:18:10,967 --> 01:18:14,567
recommendation for an operator for you all to consider us doing business with either your april 27th or

870
01:18:15,900 --> 01:18:19,167
may. 11th meeting. We're going to try

871
01:18:20,833 --> 01:18:24,600
to do it sooner, although the timeline may not enable us to get here until

872
01:18:25,933 --> 01:18:27,133
may 11th with a recommendation. A reminder that our

873
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:35,433
centennial americana celebration is from 10 to 2 this saturday at jack russell park.

874
01:18:37,167 --> 01:18:41,067
highlights include vintage baseball, car show, and 100th birthday themed family

875
01:18:42,433 --> 01:18:45,200
activities. And that is the end of my report.

876
01:18:46,833 --> 01:18:50,333
I'll gladly answer questions yes, commissioner. Yes. Kevin, you and I had some

877
01:18:53,733 --> 01:18:57,333
texted earlier. I would like, if chief vick wouldn't mind, just talk to us

878
01:18:58,533 --> 01:18:59,533
about the blitz that happened on saturday in terms

879
01:19:03,900 --> 01:19:05,100
of ticketing and whatnot, because there is a bunch

880
01:19:08,900 --> 01:19:12,900
of hubbub on facebook. But, you know, I know that we've been very aggressive with the ticketing and management.

881
01:19:14,633 --> 01:19:14,633
of the e-bike activity.

882
01:19:20,167 --> 01:19:22,900
hadn't really talked about, you know, pedal power, strictly pedal power.

883
01:19:24,267 --> 01:19:28,233
but if, you know, someone's doing 15 going down, going south, going down selva

884
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:33,267
marina drive and goes to a stop sign, that could be a problem, too.

885
01:19:34,733 --> 01:19:37,333
so I'd love to hear from chief vic if we can. Thank you.

886
01:19:39,133 --> 01:19:41,900
vic galila, chief police. Good evening, commissioner,

887
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:46,733
mayor. So...

888
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:51,067
in particular, this past week, we did a directed enforcement patrol because of spring break

889
01:19:52,467 --> 01:19:55,200
at the behest of some of the commission members, letting us know that there were

890
01:19:56,867 --> 01:20:00,600
plenty of e-bikes and bicycles in the town center area that weren't complying with regulations,

891
01:20:02,100 --> 01:20:06,100
typically running stop signs. And moreover, I think I'd ask you to look back over the past

892
01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:11,400
three or four years where this discussion on bicycles not complying with traffic regulations originated

893
01:20:12,733 --> 01:20:15,867
on beach avenue. You know certainly agree with the last 35 years I've been here,

894
01:20:16,933 --> 01:20:20,033
that has been a complaint for 35 years. But before e-bikes became an issue, the hot topic,

895
01:20:21,133 --> 01:20:24,500
we were directed and asked specifically, go do something on beach avenue for all the people who ran stop signs and

896
01:20:25,467 --> 01:20:28,900
didn't obey traffic regulations, going the wrong way. That, of course, filtered

897
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:33,233
into the town center area. You remember the signage and the debate we had about putting signs up on

898
01:20:34,500 --> 01:20:37,633
beach avenue, trying to get people to work together. Bikes were allowed to go the

899
01:20:38,667 --> 01:20:42,100
wrong way because we wanted as a city to be able to do that. So e-bikes, the latest topic.

900
01:20:45,133 --> 01:20:48,433
bicycles have been on the radar screen for a long, long time, and more particularly

901
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:52,800
during your tenure here in the last three or four years. I've been before you many times answering questions about

902
01:20:53,833 --> 01:20:57,333
bicycle regulations not being obeyed. And I ask you to please bear with us.

903
01:20:58,533 --> 01:21:02,033
we are going through education campaigns. We're talking to people, warning people,

904
01:21:03,267 --> 01:21:06,700
doing direct enforcement to educate folks, which we've done multiple times. And I.

905
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:11,200
believe the direction from the commission has been in the last six months or a year that, thanks, we appreciate

906
01:21:12,333 --> 01:21:14,433
that, but we want more enforcement. So this particular week,

907
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:19,800
because again, it was spring break and we've had so many recent complaints about bicycles, any bikes

908
01:21:20,933 --> 01:21:24,367
in town center, we asked our officers to direct enforcement in that town center area.

909
01:21:25,633 --> 01:21:28,533
I'll share with you that over those... Those days last week, we did

910
01:21:29,767 --> 01:21:33,733
about 100 bicycle stops, bicycles and e-bikes. We happened to do 30 or 29 vehicle stops also for about

911
01:21:35,833 --> 01:21:38,267
133 contacts in that week related to this directed enforcement.

912
01:21:40,300 --> 01:21:43,567
we did issue some uniform traffic citations, which are state tickets.

913
01:21:44,733 --> 01:21:48,733
but remember, we did vehicle stops as part of that also.

914
01:21:49,967 --> 01:21:53,500
so not all those uniform traffic citations, the state tickets were issued to bikes.

915
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:57,700
some of them were. More specifically, I draw your attention to the

916
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:01,867
municipal ordinance citations, the municipal ordinance we passed about a year, year and a half ago about

917
01:22:02,967 --> 01:22:04,133
specific things bikes can and can't do, shouldn't, shouldn't

918
01:22:07,167 --> 01:22:11,100
do, because it gave us a way to write a $50 ticket, a local state, a local municipal ordinance

919
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:18,433
citation, not a state ticket to someone who violated that. So he wrote 61 municipal

920
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:20,833
ordinance violations. We also issued 25 warnings.

921
01:22:24,467 --> 01:22:28,000
so now that 61 number isn't exact because we had to, we would have to factor

922
01:22:29,500 --> 01:22:33,500
in a few more things, but I'll tell you that was 41% of the people that we stopped on bikes and e-bikes got

923
01:22:34,700 --> 01:22:38,533
warnings. So a little less than half, I think, if we did look at the true numbers

924
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:43,267
by the time we factored in some of the utcs, that's not a bad average.

925
01:22:44,967 --> 01:22:48,700
so not everybody who got stopped got a ticket and missed the ordnance citation. Plenty of people did.

926
01:22:50,033 --> 01:22:53,067
we had some emails we responded to over the weekend. I will tell you, I responded to one that was a complaint on

927
01:22:54,533 --> 01:22:57,733
an officer and how they conduct themselves.

928
01:22:58,867 --> 01:23:02,500
I watched the body cam video. That officer did nothing wrong. He was professional. He was polite.

929
01:23:03,633 --> 01:23:06,867
he was informative. He didn't throw anybody under the bus, meaning the commission.

930
01:23:08,133 --> 01:23:11,633
he accepted the responsibility and said, look, it is the city of atlantic beaches initiative to create a safer environment.

931
01:23:14,100 --> 01:23:17,467
we are responding to complaints of bicycle violations. We're responding to complaints

932
01:23:18,467 --> 01:23:22,133
of accidents and injuries on bikes. This is what the city is doing, and the police department is

933
01:23:23,133 --> 01:23:26,467
enforcing these. Laws because of these complaints. I will tell you that while he

934
01:23:27,967 --> 01:23:31,367
was there talking to one person, two more adults rode through a stop sign.

935
01:23:35,867 --> 01:23:39,300
they slowed down pretty well, but didn't stop completely. He did talk to them and give them a warning politely, again,

936
01:23:40,533 --> 01:23:44,500
explained why he was there. It was a city's initiative for safety and sent them on their way

937
01:23:45,633 --> 01:23:49,133
without a ticket, just a verbal warning. I'll tell you that one of my sergeants today talked

938
01:23:50,267 --> 01:23:53,633
to a citizen in the lobby for about 20 or 25 minutes. Explained to her that what she got was a citation

939
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:58,467
for one citation. She thought she got two for running a stop sign and going the wrong way.

940
01:23:59,467 --> 01:24:03,100
said, no, this is just one ticket. It was a ticket, but you were going the wrong way and you ran

941
01:24:04,100 --> 01:24:08,100
the stop sign. You didn't get two tickets. You got one. And it took about 20 or 25

942
01:24:09,267 --> 01:24:12,633
minutes for him to explain to her, look, this is a safety initiative. It's not about us picking

943
01:24:13,667 --> 01:24:17,200
on e-bikes or picking on bikes. It's the fact that what we are seeing out there is unsafe.

944
01:24:18,433 --> 01:24:22,233
and so in order to try and get people's attention, we did this directed enforcement for a week.

945
01:24:23,300 --> 01:24:25,933
by the time she left, she understood. She thanked him.

946
01:24:29,133 --> 01:24:32,267
she said, look, I understand. I get it. I did the wrong thing. I got one ticket.

947
01:24:33,233 --> 01:24:36,167
no problem. I'll take care of it. So I get there's plenty of concern

948
01:24:37,300 --> 01:24:41,233
about what people saw over the weekend. There were a lot of warnings given.

949
01:24:43,067 --> 01:24:46,767
I think it was an appropriate thing to do. I'm not aware of any negative

950
01:24:48,067 --> 01:24:51,867
interactions that the officers had that were justified. I don't think any

951
01:24:53,933 --> 01:24:56,467
of our officers were rude, overbearing, unprofessional. We will continue to do this

952
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:02,000
into this summer, obviously, maybe not as as directed as we did on on the last week. But we'll continue this

953
01:25:02,933 --> 01:25:06,233
into the end of the summer. We'll continue to give warnings and educate. But I think it was the

954
01:25:07,667 --> 01:25:11,300
appropriate action at the right time. I'm sorry that some folks got tickets.

955
01:25:12,500 --> 01:25:16,233
they are more than welcome to contest those citations that they got them. That option is open to them

956
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:20,867
to contest this citation in court and talk to the traffic officer about it.

957
01:25:21,933 --> 01:25:25,667
but again, I think what we did was a positive thing and hope that sends a message to the community.

958
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:30,400
and I will tell you, there were also also two. We talked about e-bikes that ran

959
01:25:31,967 --> 01:25:35,967
from the officers. The officers tried to stop them. They said, no, we're not stopping.

960
01:25:36,900 --> 01:25:40,233
and I'll tell you that they were not kids. They were adults in their 30s or 40s.

961
01:25:41,300 --> 01:25:44,767
ok, so there is some of that going on also out there. But it's sort of

962
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:49,267
across the board. We focused a lot on the kids in a lot of our discussions in the past six months or year.

963
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:50,400
there are plenty of adults out

964
01:25:57,633 --> 01:26:01,500
there who are doing the wrong thing also. So thanks for that. Let me start by saying kudos to you and your staff,

965
01:26:02,633 --> 01:26:05,700
the officers participating in this. It's a long time coming. It's welcome.

966
01:26:06,867 --> 01:26:09,967
I got quite a few compliments of our police officers in doing that from residents who are tired

967
01:26:11,033 --> 01:26:14,467
of seeing this recklessness. But I want to caution and temper it because you. You've heard through the city

968
01:26:15,533 --> 01:26:19,000
manager that I was displeased that several people told me that they were advised that this was a directive

969
01:26:20,033 --> 01:26:21,100
of the mayor. Okay.

970
01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:27,500
now, while I appreciate the promotion to a level of being your boss, I am not your boss.

971
01:26:28,533 --> 01:26:31,700
and so I'm not making any direct directives. You will make those directives to your staff and you will

972
01:26:34,367 --> 01:26:35,567
answer to the city manager. But if these are untruths,

973
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:45,300
then they're kind of spreading. So I'm going to validate with a

974
01:26:46,467 --> 01:26:50,200
few people whether they heard it and if they know the officer and whether they were the actual one being pulled.

975
01:26:51,200 --> 01:26:54,600
but I... I would like for the mayor not to be invoked as the reason for application of our laws.

976
01:26:55,633 --> 01:26:59,200
now, that being said, when we had our last conversation in my mind, and I thought I articulated it pretty well,

977
01:27:00,300 --> 01:27:03,767
I was very concerned about what I referred to as hooligans. Now, these hooligans could have

978
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:08,100
been my sons 10 years ago. So don't for our residents do not misunderstand. These are youngsters that

979
01:27:09,333 --> 01:27:13,000
haven't yet gotten a dose of reality, and that is compliance with the law is mandated.

980
01:27:14,367 --> 01:27:17,967
and my specific examples were these e-bikes that were literally popping wheelies on ocean boulevard

981
01:27:18,933 --> 01:27:18,933
into oncoming traffic,

982
01:27:27,933 --> 01:27:29,833
playing chicken with them. These were children that were

983
01:27:32,667 --> 01:27:35,967
weaving in and out of cars on atlantic boulevard in beechestown center. These were children that were

984
01:27:37,233 --> 01:27:40,667
giving the inappropriate use of a certain finger to people who called them out.

985
01:27:41,900 --> 01:27:45,633
so that was. My concern because that to me is the risk of a major injury, not the

986
01:27:46,900 --> 01:27:50,433
beach cruiser that cruises through a stop sign. Now, let me be clear. I am not asking you to, and

987
01:27:51,433 --> 01:27:52,800
remember, I'm not your boss. I'm not asking you

988
01:28:02,433 --> 01:28:04,467
to not enforce our laws on that. Somehow our society has gotten

989
01:28:09,933 --> 01:28:13,200
to the point we're jaywalking anywhere across the street is okay. Not even looking up from your

990
01:28:14,333 --> 01:28:17,733
cell phone when you step into the crosswalk is okay. I literally see bicycles go through a red light at

991
01:28:18,833 --> 01:28:22,267
beech's town center at atlantic and burst or ocean. And so I'm concerned along with you,

992
01:28:23,333 --> 01:28:26,433
and I know you and I can agree on this, chief. I'm okay with applying the law equally.

993
01:28:27,667 --> 01:28:29,100
I do appreciate your comments about the level of.

994
01:28:32,433 --> 01:28:36,033
of warnings. I do think we're still early enough. My sense is this, the 40 to 50

995
01:28:37,267 --> 01:28:40,733
to 60 year old men and women, they're getting pulled over now, didn't quite realize this was going to be a big

996
01:28:42,100 --> 01:28:45,633
deal. I think they know that now. So we'll see. But I hope that your officers

997
01:28:46,733 --> 01:28:49,833
are saying, are we dealing with somebody we've seen as a repeat offender or somebody who is

998
01:28:51,033 --> 01:28:54,700
really dangerous or somebody who is intoxicated and at risk. In that way.

999
01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:59,267
so I just want to finish by saying you are doing a great job on this. Thanks.

1000
01:29:00,433 --> 01:29:02,867
keep doing it. Just try not to use the mayor's name.

1001
01:29:24,233 --> 01:29:28,233
thank you. I will remind everybody, though, if anybody has a question

1002
01:29:29,300 --> 01:29:32,567
about that, all our officer body cams, all our interactions are recorded. They are a public record.

1003
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:37,500
they are welcome to get a copy. Ask us. We will give you one.

1004
01:29:38,533 --> 01:29:42,500
yep. Understood. Thank you. If I may say, I did follow up on a complaint.

1005
01:29:43,433 --> 01:29:47,367
today, reviewed body cam footage, and indeed, in the one case I looked at where it was alleged that the commission or the mayor was

1006
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:49,333
blamed, that did not happen at all.

1007
01:29:53,100 --> 01:29:56,067
thank you. Yeah, you can blame me. I'd like the mayor to be blamed.

1008
01:29:57,267 --> 01:30:00,167
thank you, mr. Bull. Okay, are you still? I'm done.

1009
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:02,800
what I haven't done is asked

1010
01:30:08,367 --> 01:30:10,467
you to accept the 90-day calendar. Will you please?

1011
01:30:14,533 --> 01:30:18,500
any objections? Isn't that the new town hall date? If I'm through the mayor.

1012
01:30:19,533 --> 01:30:22,967
so you received correspondence from me suggesting we change

1013
01:30:24,133 --> 01:30:26,400
the april 18th town hall date to april 25th because we regrettably scheduled it the

1014
01:30:33,733 --> 01:30:36,233
same time and day as arts in the park. Um so love to hear from you uh

1015
01:30:38,100 --> 01:30:38,100
this week as you check your

1016
01:30:42,667 --> 01:30:46,333
calendars and let us know if that's acceptable okay so are we do we have consensus on the 90-day calendar you have your

1017
01:30:52,433 --> 01:30:55,600
calendar thanks okay I'm going to move now to reports from city commissioners

1018
01:30:58,700 --> 01:31:00,333
starting with uh mr boll donald could you put up the calendar

1019
01:31:03,867 --> 01:31:07,167
yeah, it's the attachment. I'm sorry. It's in the agenda packet. I'm sorry.

1020
01:31:08,233 --> 01:31:11,267
I'll just talk for a second. Obviously, I put my cell phone here

1021
01:31:12,500 --> 01:31:16,067
for city manager report update, and I apologize. I was asked last time to take a look

1022
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:20,100
at a timeline. So I kind of took the timeline that I think matched up with the city commission meetings

1023
01:31:21,167 --> 01:31:23,433
and the rfp release, the citizens committee, et cetera, et cetera.

1024
01:31:37,400 --> 01:31:40,800
it's still notional. Take any input. We'd like you, if you have

1025
01:31:43,167 --> 01:31:46,467
input, to go right to bob blanco and hr as far as we go. And when you see it,

1026
01:31:47,933 --> 01:31:51,367
I think most of you saw it in the packet. I do. Yeah.

1027
01:31:52,367 --> 01:31:55,700
it's aggressive. I guess what I'm saying is if we're not aggressive, we fall short and it keeps pushing it

1028
01:31:56,933 --> 01:31:59,467
down the road. So we can change this. But I just want to put it up

1029
01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:05,667
here because we were I was asked this last time. The rp, as you all know, is out.

1030
01:32:11,100 --> 01:32:13,333
and that's one of the dates that I had up there. And I apologize.

1031
01:32:16,833 --> 01:32:20,567
all right. You want to come back to that? Sure.

1032
01:32:22,267 --> 01:32:23,800
okay. Then we'll move to

1033
01:32:29,700 --> 01:32:33,367
commissioner kelly. We're doing a commission report? Yeah.

1034
01:32:34,300 --> 01:32:37,967
I want to thank both kevin, because I nagged him, and the response by the boys

1035
01:32:39,433 --> 01:32:41,967
and girls club to have camp during this spring break. It's important that families

1036
01:32:43,767 --> 01:32:47,667
can send their kids someplace safe and enjoyable. So we made that happen, and I appreciate that greatly.

1037
01:32:48,900 --> 01:32:51,500
well, darlings, go back to school tomorrow, so be out, be ready, chief.

1038
01:32:55,133 --> 01:32:58,733
thank you, commissioner. We don't have the calendar yet? Okay, commissioner gray.

1039
01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:03,533
yes, thanks, mayor. Just real quick, I want to thank I know it's

1040
01:33:05,067 --> 01:33:07,633
out here. I want to thank judith and for that donation.

1041
01:33:09,667 --> 01:33:12,167
I had heard, I don't know, months ago about potential

1042
01:33:14,267 --> 01:33:14,267
similar something falling

1043
01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:23,133
through, which I was very upset about.

1044
01:33:28,667 --> 01:33:30,833
and so I appreciate that now that we will have that garden.

1045
01:33:33,933 --> 01:33:36,033
and lisa, thank you for your involvement.

1046
01:33:41,867 --> 01:33:44,833
I mean, I think it's just a really solid thing to do. And I might have

1047
01:33:46,333 --> 01:33:46,333
to look into, I'm

1048
01:33:50,700 --> 01:33:53,767
in a condo now, so I may have to look into getting one of those plots

1049
01:33:55,100 --> 01:33:58,133
to grow some tomatoes. And so, in any case, I can't wait to hear all the

1050
01:34:00,867 --> 01:34:00,867
details.

1051
01:34:06,533 --> 01:34:09,300
I think that's just a really cool thing. I guess I had it pictured

1052
01:34:10,633 --> 01:34:13,100
in my mind something else, but the fact that anybody can go in there and lease a plot,

1053
01:34:15,033 --> 01:34:19,033
that's even better. So, thank you all for that. The rest of the stuff I want to talk about is, you know, we talked about some of that

1054
01:34:20,067 --> 01:34:23,367
in the manager's report. And wait for the other resolutions and conversations. Thank you, mayor.

1055
01:34:24,800 --> 01:34:28,367
thank you, commissioner grant. So back to you, commissioner bold.

1056
01:34:29,333 --> 01:34:32,433
yes, you can see up on the screen, that's an anticipated, like I said, notional timeline.

1057
01:34:33,500 --> 01:34:36,667
so as we go through, I just wanted to be transparent. And some of these dates could

1058
01:34:37,533 --> 01:34:41,267
slide, but I tried to sync them up with commission meetings so that we can go back

1059
01:34:42,900 --> 01:34:46,867
and take a look at that where we are. So, like I said, you see the first dates up

1060
01:34:48,067 --> 01:34:51,867
there, the rp questions, march 30th. So as we move through, you can see, again, as I mentioned, it's aggressive.

1061
01:34:53,233 --> 01:34:56,500
any inputs, please send to hr directly or me. Thanks.

1062
01:34:57,600 --> 01:35:01,567
okay. Thank you. Okay. My turn. Thanks.

1063
01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:05,767
absolutely delighted with the presentation from judith larue and lisa goodrich.

1064
01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:10,100
and like, as was already said, and especially by commissioner grant, you guys are solid.

1065
01:35:11,167 --> 01:35:14,500
we're in good shape starting out. Good news is we're going to vote on the driveway.

1066
01:35:15,700 --> 01:35:19,300
and parking tonight. And so I think we're going to button that up and that'll keep us on track for what,

1067
01:35:20,467 --> 01:35:20,467
september?

1068
01:35:25,567 --> 01:35:27,000
we're talking now september on the actual dedication

1069
01:35:30,200 --> 01:35:33,800
of that. But thank you again. And I want to share just a short story and I'll be brief.

1070
01:35:36,167 --> 01:35:39,800
I know we're going long here, but this is important because we focus

1071
01:35:40,833 --> 01:35:44,133
on the e-bike issue. And I say e-bike, it's bad manners on regular bicycles too, but

1072
01:35:45,333 --> 01:35:48,667
it's... E-bikes predominantly, especially with young people.

1073
01:35:49,633 --> 01:35:53,133
and thank you, chief, for mentioning they were adults this past weekend. But so we very seldom have a

1074
01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:57,933
positive story. And I'm going to give you a positive story. And it transgresses or goes

1075
01:35:59,100 --> 01:36:02,633
between both cities of atlantic beach and neptune beach. A couple of weeks ago, my wife,

1076
01:36:03,833 --> 01:36:07,700
leah, was driving back from lemon street. She turned northbound on

1077
01:36:09,167 --> 01:36:12,933
first street and neptune beach, heading past pete's bar and through the up.

1078
01:36:14,433 --> 01:36:16,733
the traffic light at atlantic and first, and she was being followed by a youngster

1079
01:36:18,733 --> 01:36:22,300
on his e-scooter. Wearing his helmet and he stopped behind her at every stop sign and

1080
01:36:23,433 --> 01:36:26,800
at the traffic light. And he was he was being he was proper.

1081
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:31,933
and I don't think we see that often enough. And we think they're all hooligans.

1082
01:36:34,367 --> 01:36:37,800
that's my term. Right. So she got to the end

1083
01:36:39,133 --> 01:36:39,133
of the paid parking just past

1084
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:47,567
salumaria. And she pulled over, rolled down her window and waved the youngster

1085
01:36:48,767 --> 01:36:52,400
to the side. And he stopped at her window and she said. Would you talk to me?

1086
01:36:53,533 --> 01:36:56,900
and he said, yes, ma'am. And he went and put his scooter down in the grass and took his helmet off.

1087
01:36:58,200 --> 01:37:02,133
and she got out of the car and spoke to him. And she said, I just can't believe how appropriate you are

1088
01:37:03,267 --> 01:37:07,267
and deliberate and stopping. And you're wearing a helmet and you just seem like you've got great manners.

1089
01:37:08,300 --> 01:37:11,800
I think your mother would be very proud of you. And I guess I'm an old person now.

1090
01:37:12,967 --> 01:37:16,633
I just think that it endears me to my wife, obviously. But that is the messaging. We need to have more

1091
01:37:17,833 --> 01:37:21,333
of that. And she went the extra mile. She said, hold on a second. And she went back

1092
01:37:22,433 --> 01:37:26,200
to the car and got one of my business cards. It says mayor curtis ford. And she wrote on the back

1093
01:37:27,400 --> 01:37:30,800
of it. Your son is a wonderful, well-mannered child or whatever.

1094
01:37:32,167 --> 01:37:35,700
and this is like a 13 or 14 maybe a 15 year old and she handed the card to him and she says uh rowden and that's his

1095
01:37:36,867 --> 01:37:40,367
name rowden if anybody knows rowden uh go home and tell your mother that you met the wife of the mayor, and I'm giving

1096
01:37:41,533 --> 01:37:45,233
you this business card to give to your mayor. Let her know that she can reach out to the mayor anytime.

1097
01:37:46,467 --> 01:37:50,367
and so my encouragement to all of us is let's find what is good in our community and celebrate that as well as

1098
01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:55,333
dealing what is not so good. And so that's my report, and we'll move to our consent agenda.

1099
01:37:56,633 --> 01:38:00,333
one of my favorite pieces. It'll be quick. So the consent agenda is all matters listed under the

1100
01:38:01,567 --> 01:38:05,500
consent agenda are considered to be routine by the city commission and will be enacted by one motion

1101
01:38:06,733 --> 01:38:08,000
in the form listed below. There will be no separate

1102
01:38:19,367 --> 01:38:21,367
discussion of these items. If discussion is desired,

1103
01:38:30,500 --> 01:38:33,567
that item will be removed from the consent agenda and will be considered separately

1104
01:38:34,867 --> 01:38:37,633
supporting supporting documentation and staff recommendations have been

1105
01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:42,167
previously submitted to the city commission on these items.

1106
01:38:43,767 --> 01:38:47,100
item 6a, approve resolution number 26-51. 6b, approve resolution number

1107
01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:50,867
26-43. And 6c, approve resolution number 26-47.

1108
01:38:52,233 --> 01:38:55,933
do I have a motion? Oh, and at first, do we have anybody that wants to pull one of these

1109
01:38:57,033 --> 01:38:59,300
from the consent agenda? Okay, hearing none, do I have a motion?

1110
01:39:02,467 --> 01:39:06,133
I make a motion to approve consent agenda item 6a through 6c as written. Second.

1111
01:39:10,233 --> 01:39:13,700
we have a motion in second all in favor signify with aye aye aye opposed motion carries thank you commissioner uh let's

1112
01:39:16,067 --> 01:39:17,500
see now we're moving to the inserted uh resolution number

1113
01:39:20,100 --> 01:39:22,467
this is item eight now 8a uh resolution number 26-53 the

1114
01:39:24,267 --> 01:39:27,433
community garden and I'll read that if I can find it here it is.

1115
01:39:30,100 --> 01:39:31,967
okay. A resolution of the city of

1116
01:39:36,333 --> 01:39:39,300
atlantic beach, florida, authorizing the acceptance

1117
01:39:42,433 --> 01:39:45,600
of a charitable in kind donation from nature connect florida,

1118
01:39:46,600 --> 01:39:49,767
inc. For landscape design and installation services at the community garden

1119
01:39:50,767 --> 01:39:53,167
at marsh oaks community center, authorizing the city manager to

1120
01:39:55,567 --> 01:39:58,333
execute the donation agreement and providing an effective date.

1121
01:40:01,300 --> 01:40:05,200
mr. Hogan can thank you. Mr. Mayor our staff is extremely

1122
01:40:06,500 --> 01:40:07,767
excited about this project. We did hear some.

1123
01:40:10,600 --> 01:40:13,567
questions earlier, particularly from ms. Boren, that we will be prepared to answer along with

1124
01:40:15,800 --> 01:40:15,800
on some other resolutions.

1125
01:40:19,900 --> 01:40:23,167
but we wholeheartedly recommend you accept this donation. Recommend we adopt resolution

1126
01:40:27,867 --> 01:40:30,167
2653. Okay, so we can have discussion.

1127
01:40:35,933 --> 01:40:38,800
I'd like to call up either judith or lisa or both. I just want to address one

1128
01:40:40,033 --> 01:40:43,933
thing that was brought to my attention earlier and make sure we're clear on this. In the agreement, the last

1129
01:40:45,433 --> 01:40:48,367
iteration, okay, we may or may not need that. Okay.

1130
01:40:50,033 --> 01:40:53,733
the last iteration says all power lines shall be placed underground and then

1131
01:41:02,167 --> 01:41:05,033
in brackets, including but not limited to the main power line.

1132
01:41:06,267 --> 01:41:09,267
so that would be the line coming off the pole. So it would have to be run

1133
01:41:12,500 --> 01:41:15,133
down the pole underground to the service at the building.

1134
01:41:16,633 --> 01:41:19,533
and then from that service, we would run the conduit underground back

1135
01:41:21,033 --> 01:41:22,367
to the outlets in the garden.

1136
01:41:25,067 --> 01:41:28,433
is that what you mean? I just wanted to make that clear in spite of mr. Gabriel's multiple back

1137
01:41:29,833 --> 01:41:33,100
and forth with me. I just wanted to make sure

1138
01:41:35,033 --> 01:41:38,300
that. That regular people would understand it because this is

1139
01:41:40,833 --> 01:41:43,967
an additional expense. When lisa and I think alike about aesthetics, and one of the first things we noticed

1140
01:41:45,233 --> 01:41:49,167
out there was this huge, ugly power line that goes from the pole to the building. And so I've offered in this an

1141
01:41:50,167 --> 01:41:53,300
additional amount that there was staff had provided, because this has been going on for some time, an estimate

1142
01:41:54,367 --> 01:41:56,900
from, I think it's limbaugh. That would be about $6,500 to bury that main power line.

1143
01:41:58,500 --> 01:42:01,967
I just think it could be an interpreted like main power line to the garden, but this is

1144
01:42:03,033 --> 01:42:06,567
from the pole to the building. And so I'm providing an additional amount if it's not

1145
01:42:07,633 --> 01:42:10,300
in the city budget. And it sounds to me like the parking lot is going

1146
01:42:11,667 --> 01:42:14,567
to be more expensive than you thought. So you're welcome.

1147
01:42:15,833 --> 01:42:19,833
but this won't be, I heard from staff also that you were possibly looking at the building as a back up

1148
01:42:21,767 --> 01:42:25,500
city hall in case there is some sort of disaster or whatever. So it certainly seems

1149
01:42:27,167 --> 01:42:30,433
like it's a great idea to bury the power line now while the parking lot is being torn up. So I just wanted to make sure

1150
01:42:32,300 --> 01:42:35,967
that we were all clear on that. That isn't limbaugh. It's not my choice and I'm not

1151
01:42:37,600 --> 01:42:40,733
supervising that in any way, but I'm willing to include that as part of the grant.

1152
01:42:41,867 --> 01:42:45,033
I just want to make that clear. So thank you so much for that clarification. So does this indicate that

1153
01:42:46,167 --> 01:42:49,800
we're accepting that as part of the gift? Yes. This entity,

1154
01:42:52,700 --> 01:42:54,767
this nonprofit will actually pay for that. Yes.

1155
01:43:03,600 --> 01:43:07,600
and do we need to put a limitation on that? It may have been up to that amount because that that was in september that that was

1156
01:43:08,667 --> 01:43:12,067
gotten. So up to the amount of that, I think it's sixty five. Sixty is what I'm willing to.

1157
01:43:13,100 --> 01:43:16,100
so not to exceed. Can we insert that in here? Why don't we just move an amendment that says that that

1158
01:43:17,200 --> 01:43:20,633
portion of it will be not to exceed whatever the amount is in that. Are there some copies there?

1159
01:43:21,600 --> 01:43:25,467
yeah. So I'll entertain a motion to amend the document to include a limitation not to exceed six.

1160
01:43:26,467 --> 01:43:29,667
how much? Six thousand. You have it.

1161
01:43:36,133 --> 01:43:39,000
it's sixty five. Six thousand five hundred and sixty dollars. I mean, the estimate could have

1162
01:43:41,000 --> 01:43:44,967
changed by now. So, yeah, but for that amount, I'm fine to do that. I propose an amendment

1163
01:43:45,900 --> 01:43:48,800
to limit the amount to sixty five, sixty dollars to include others. Make this as an attachment.

1164
01:43:49,967 --> 01:43:49,967
to include that amount.

1165
01:43:55,133 --> 01:43:55,133
okay, you're going

1166
01:43:59,800 --> 01:44:02,967
to include the attachment. Is that good? Do you want to do it that way? Yeah, that's in addition

1167
01:44:03,933 --> 01:44:07,900
to the other value of the gift. In addition, I think this is more... The garden structure itself.

1168
01:44:08,933 --> 01:44:11,967
this is separate. This is more comprehensive, I think. Yeah, maybe just for

1169
01:44:13,200 --> 01:44:17,167
clarification, what we'll do is we'll just attach that limbaugh estimate as an exhibit. So, we second that?

1170
01:44:18,167 --> 01:44:22,067
we don't have a second. Would would you like to second it? Yeah, second. Yeah.

1171
01:44:22,967 --> 01:44:26,567
okay. So we have a motion in second and we'll vote on the amendment only. All in favor signify

1172
01:44:27,433 --> 01:44:31,033
with aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion carries.

1173
01:44:32,033 --> 01:44:35,700
now back to the main motion as amended. We already had a motion to end a second, so any further discussion

1174
01:44:36,700 --> 01:44:39,833
on that? All in favor signify with aye. Aye.

1175
01:44:44,033 --> 01:44:47,900
opposed? Motion carries. Thank you again. We're so excited. Can't wait.

1176
01:44:48,833 --> 01:44:50,733
thank you all. Thank you. Okay.

1177
01:44:53,800 --> 01:44:56,533
put that aside. Now back to what previously was 8a,

1178
01:44:58,133 --> 01:45:00,500
which is now going to be next, 8b, resolution number 26-45,

1179
01:45:02,900 --> 01:45:06,033
a resolution of the city of atlantic beach, florida, awarding bid 2526-07 sturdivant avenue sidewalk

1180
01:45:07,067 --> 01:45:09,267
improvements project to mclean site solutions, authorizing the city manager to

1181
01:45:11,233 --> 01:45:13,700
execute the contract and purchase orders in accordance with and is necessary to...

1182
01:45:16,733 --> 01:45:19,567
effectuate the provisions of this resolution in providing

1183
01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:22,133
an effective date mr hogan camp thank you this project focuses

1184
01:45:28,267 --> 01:45:32,267
on what we all know as a critical east-west corridor stretching from seminole road

1185
01:45:33,433 --> 01:45:35,900
to east coast drive along sturdivant and ahearn it includes a sidewalk expansion

1186
01:45:41,167 --> 01:45:44,433
the existing five-foot sidewalk will be replaced with a new eight-foot wide multi-use path the path will be reinforced

1187
01:45:45,500 --> 01:45:46,633
with fiber mesh to increase durability and will be five

1188
01:45:52,000 --> 01:45:54,167
inches thick. There will be a french drain system

1189
01:45:58,100 --> 01:46:01,567
to manage stormwater runoff. It includes replacement of existing storm drainage structures, relocation

1190
01:46:02,667 --> 01:46:06,433
of three fire hydrants, and reconstruction of residential and commercial driveways

1191
01:46:07,533 --> 01:46:11,100
to match the new grade. This project is more than a sidewalk replacement.

1192
01:46:12,733 --> 01:46:16,067
it's a an application of some of our long-term planning goals, including our connectivity plan adopted in

1193
01:46:17,900 --> 01:46:21,300
2021. It's worth noting that this

1194
01:46:22,267 --> 01:46:26,167
project promotes e-bike safety. The extra width is crucial for the city's ongoing safety efforts as it reduces conflicts

1195
01:46:27,200 --> 01:46:30,800
between pedestrians and the growing number of e-bike users. This project includes upgraded

1196
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:35,100
ada compliant ramps at all intersections. And we recommend, I'm available

1197
01:46:36,100 --> 01:46:39,533
to answer any questions, but we recommend adoption of resolution 2645. I'll entertain a motion.

1198
01:46:40,733 --> 01:46:44,233
make a motion to adopt resolution 2645. Second we have a motion in the second discussion hearing none

1199
01:46:45,300 --> 01:46:48,567
um all in favor signify with aye aye opposed motion carries moving to resolution number 26-4 26-48 formerly 8b now 8c a

1200
01:46:49,667 --> 01:46:53,300
resolution of the city of atlantic beach florida authorizing the city manager. To execute on behalf of the

1201
01:46:59,900 --> 01:47:03,067
city of atlantic beach an interlocal agreement between the city of atlantic

1202
01:47:04,100 --> 01:47:07,833
beach and the city of neptune beach and tbr, neptune owner llc, for the provisions, the provision of potable water

1203
01:47:08,933 --> 01:47:08,933
fire protection services and

1204
01:47:21,133 --> 01:47:25,067
providing an effective date. Mr. Hogan camp. Yes. I move we table this resolution

1205
01:47:26,133 --> 01:47:29,933
until the next commission meeting. Second okay we have a motion in the second discussion yes if I make um yeah I think it would

1206
01:47:30,867 --> 01:47:30,867
be important to have all all

1207
01:47:37,033 --> 01:47:37,033
of us here um to discuss this

1208
01:48:08,533 --> 01:48:11,533
important subject it's a it's a very sensitive matter to a lot of people and so I'd hate to um not have jessica here I also

1209
01:48:12,700 --> 01:48:15,833
think you know one of my points has always been you know you know look I mean,

1210
01:48:18,867 --> 01:48:21,367
we had a line established with the navy and the mayport base, you know, not because

1211
01:48:23,533 --> 01:48:27,400
of fire suppression, but because of having a line in case we need

1212
01:48:29,133 --> 01:48:32,000
to help each other, you know, and we didn't have people protest that.

1213
01:48:33,767 --> 01:48:33,767
this, I think a lot

1214
01:48:45,533 --> 01:48:49,300
of our objection is coming from the fact that we're, you

1215
01:48:50,533 --> 01:48:54,200
know, people don't want development over there. And we're somehow going

1216
01:48:55,600 --> 01:48:59,300
to influence that. Not sure that what we will or we won't.

1217
01:49:01,400 --> 01:49:04,333
but in any case, one of my other things is, you know, when you talk

1218
01:49:05,633 --> 01:49:09,000
about fire suppression, you know, I have a lot of firefighters who are aware

1219
01:49:10,200 --> 01:49:11,567
of this. And they, you know,

1220
01:49:15,733 --> 01:49:18,767
if they're fighting a fire, you know, they want all the help they can get.

1221
01:49:20,200 --> 01:49:22,967
this gives it to them. Jessica's married to captain, right, who's at 55.

1222
01:49:24,267 --> 01:49:28,167
I just think it'd be behoove us to wait for her to come back and um before we move forward on this

1223
01:49:32,067 --> 01:49:35,333
thank you further discussion so before we vote on this is the motion to simply

1224
01:49:37,067 --> 01:49:37,067
table this or is the motion

1225
01:49:44,433 --> 01:49:47,800
to move this to the next uh meeting agenda table it to the next agenda okay and I think that technically that's a

1226
01:49:49,467 --> 01:49:52,967
continuance to the next agenda which would be I think april

1227
01:49:59,500 --> 01:50:03,267
13th. You know the magic words. Yeah. Okay.

1228
01:50:04,567 --> 01:50:04,567
so the motion,

1229
01:50:10,100 --> 01:50:14,100
let's change that. Is correct that to continue to the next official city commission meeting dated what day?

1230
01:50:14,967 --> 01:50:18,300
13 april. April 13th. Second. Okay. Motion second.

1231
01:50:19,233 --> 01:50:22,367
any further discussion? All in favor, signify with aye. Aye.

1232
01:50:23,333 --> 01:50:26,433
opposed? Nay. Okay. Three ayes, one nay.

1233
01:50:28,467 --> 01:50:32,133
motion carries. Thank you. Um, let's see where we at here.

1234
01:50:33,033 --> 01:50:36,767
okay. Now on to resolution number 26-49, which was 8c, now 8d, 8d. Resolution of the city

1235
01:50:38,133 --> 01:50:42,133
commission of the city of atlantic beach, florida, establishing a policy for commercial beach access and vehicle operations pursuant

1236
01:50:43,200 --> 01:50:46,633
to city code sections 5-16 and 5-30, providing for operational limits, safety standards, and enforcement and

1237
01:50:47,967 --> 01:50:51,933
providing an effective date mr hogan thank you if you go with me just a moment I got the amended agenda I can get a lot

1238
01:50:52,867 --> 01:50:56,833
of tabs over here to the public out the public scene is scrambling we're working with two different agendas and I'm slower than

1239
01:50:58,067 --> 01:50:58,067
everyone else here please

1240
01:51:18,900 --> 01:51:18,900
forgive me what uh resolution

1241
01:51:24,200 --> 01:51:28,100
number we are 26-49 thank you 49 beach driving. Thanks so much.

1242
01:51:29,300 --> 01:51:33,100
so the city identifies as beach accesses as many parks for nature and recreation and our two sections of our code.

1243
01:51:35,733 --> 01:51:37,233
grant the city manager the authority

1244
01:51:39,933 --> 01:51:42,633
to permit motorized vehicles on the beach and business activities

1245
01:51:44,333 --> 01:51:46,633
in public facilities. However, the city lacks a

1246
01:51:48,533 --> 01:51:50,600
formalized comprehensive policy governing commercial vehicle

1247
01:51:53,200 --> 01:51:56,333
operations and equipment standards on the beachfront. And as you all know,

1248
01:51:58,967 --> 01:52:02,933
it is our mo lately to be a policy-driven organization and that it seemed as though I need

1249
01:52:04,533 --> 01:52:06,033
to be informed by a policy as I consider the request that has

1250
01:52:10,400 --> 01:52:13,967
come to us. So the request highlights the need for standardized policy and

1251
01:52:15,533 --> 01:52:19,067
by formalizing these rules, the city ensures that commercial activities.

1252
01:52:20,433 --> 01:52:24,100
don't displace non paying beach goers or create safety hazards. This policy highlights a few

1253
01:52:25,933 --> 01:52:29,033
things access control. It mandates the use of the atlantic boulevard. It prohibits a her and access

1254
01:52:30,700 --> 01:52:33,967
and other accesses. So it mandates the use of the atlantic boulevard.

1255
01:52:35,400 --> 01:52:38,300
it. There's a capacity cap where it limits the number

1256
01:52:39,533 --> 01:52:43,133
of concurrent commercial permits to two. Frankly, we can't envision a

1257
01:52:44,367 --> 01:52:48,133
scenario where requests would come from more than this particular property.

1258
01:52:49,933 --> 01:52:53,133
although you never know, and we have a policy in place to inform us and guide us,

1259
01:52:54,433 --> 01:52:57,467
indeed, if you all approve this resolution. In terms of safety standards,

1260
01:52:59,400 --> 01:53:01,967
there's requirements for anchored umbrellas and pre-approved vehicle types.

1261
01:53:04,433 --> 01:53:07,567
there will be operational hours restricting setup and tear

1262
01:53:10,333 --> 01:53:13,567
down to off-peak morning and evening hours. The city manager does have

1263
01:53:15,100 --> 01:53:18,233
authority to work within this policy and otherwise to work

1264
01:53:19,900 --> 01:53:22,967
with a permit applicant in terms to their particular operation.

1265
01:53:25,333 --> 01:53:28,900
for example, this particular operation really doesn't want to set up or break down so much

1266
01:53:30,633 --> 01:53:34,367
as when there's high tide or... Storms are imminent to be able to activate and get a vehicle

1267
01:53:35,833 --> 01:53:38,567
on the beach from time to time. And, of course, your vote

1268
01:53:40,067 --> 01:53:43,867
tonight does not grant that. It grants me, it provides a guiding document for me to follow,

1269
01:53:45,700 --> 01:53:48,567
frankly. I'll still be working with any applicants in terms of

1270
01:53:49,767 --> 01:53:53,233
making sure all the boxes are checked before issuing a permit. So this.

1271
01:53:56,433 --> 01:53:59,867
this has no immediate budget impact, and I recommend that you approve resolution no. 2649 and the attachment, which

1272
01:54:01,967 --> 01:54:05,533
is a commercial beach access and vehicle operation policy. Thanks.

1273
01:54:09,700 --> 01:54:12,367
thank you. Recommend we approve

1274
01:54:13,833 --> 01:54:16,067
resolution 2649. Second. We have a motion and a second.

1275
01:54:19,267 --> 01:54:23,067
I'd like to call laura conahan to the microphone if you would join us. And I want to start

1276
01:54:24,400 --> 01:54:25,667
by saying congratulations on what you're accomplishing and

1277
01:54:29,267 --> 01:54:32,700
the progress at dune house. It's appropriate. I mean, I go way back to

1278
01:54:33,967 --> 01:54:36,000
before the sea turtle. Okay, so I've been

1279
01:54:38,067 --> 01:54:40,533
around a long time. But anyways, so I'm

1280
01:54:42,733 --> 01:54:44,933
in favor. I'm going to vote yes.

1281
01:54:47,100 --> 01:54:51,000
but I want to challenge you and see if I know what's going on in my city. So in the past.

1282
01:54:52,367 --> 01:54:54,867
beach chairs and umbrellas were stored inside the toe of the dune.

1283
01:54:57,133 --> 01:55:00,500
that is incorrect, mayor ford. Thank you. Please help me understand where

1284
01:55:01,667 --> 01:55:05,567
we are today. Okay. Where we are today and where we've been historically storing beach chairs have been

1285
01:55:06,900 --> 01:55:09,367
at the base of the stairs on the boardwalk, and we would have chairs either

1286
01:55:12,567 --> 01:55:16,500
to the north or the south of that. That would be stacked neatly.

1287
01:55:18,033 --> 01:55:21,533
would be secured at the end of each evening. No, we had stored beach umbrellas in the pool house

1288
01:55:22,867 --> 01:55:25,100
of the pool area, and we would bring those umbrellas down the boardwalk every morning and

1289
01:55:27,367 --> 01:55:31,133
return them back every evening. But by no means was anything ever stored in or behind the dunes

1290
01:55:32,267 --> 01:55:33,600
at the property. Thank you.

1291
01:55:44,567 --> 01:55:47,967
and if you'll humor me on this, I may pay a visit. Let's go. Look at it so that I can defend

1292
01:55:49,000 --> 01:55:52,533
my position because I'm being told by people that are watching our beach that we are not as tight on this as

1293
01:55:53,567 --> 01:55:55,567
jacksonville beach, that they require the storage to be

1294
01:55:57,767 --> 01:56:00,867
in a facility. So this, what it does is it expands that opening

1295
01:56:01,833 --> 01:56:05,233
at the base of atlantic boulevard because that's being used as opposed

1296
01:56:06,533 --> 01:56:08,600
to allowing the dune to to grow in that area.

1297
01:56:14,600 --> 01:56:18,367
yes, yes, absolutely. I hear what you're saying. So I don't want to go

1298
01:56:19,300 --> 01:56:22,467
overboard. I love what your concept is and your corporate responsibility.

1299
01:56:24,000 --> 01:56:26,867
so let's have a conversation if appropriate. I'll reach out to you.

1300
01:56:28,033 --> 01:56:31,933
absolutely. And I encourage anyone from the council to come and join you or separately.

1301
01:56:33,167 --> 01:56:36,433
we're happy to walk the property, walk the area and be able to be fully aligned with.

1302
01:56:38,000 --> 01:56:40,000
how we've done things historically.

1303
01:56:42,133 --> 01:56:45,133
and we have been stewards of our dune. We love the dune.

1304
01:56:47,700 --> 01:56:50,133
we are quite honest with people that want to come for oceanfront dining.

1305
01:56:52,233 --> 01:56:56,000
and we have to be transparent in saying, well, we would be oceanfront. However, we haven't had a storm

1306
01:56:57,533 --> 01:57:01,067
in quite some time. So the dunes do cover the ocean view, but we would love

1307
01:57:02,533 --> 01:57:06,533
to have you anyways. Yeah, that is so true. Yes, commissioner. I'm a huge supporter.

1308
01:57:08,133 --> 01:57:11,833
I know we talked to the new management. I think all of us, when it made a vision,

1309
01:57:13,233 --> 01:57:16,000
this is going to be huge for our area. But one just technical point

1310
01:57:17,533 --> 01:57:20,367
here. This just establishes a policy. The policy is this guy right

1311
01:57:21,667 --> 01:57:24,100
here. Let me just finish.

1312
01:57:25,700 --> 01:57:28,533
and by doing this, this is important. As one of the authors

1313
01:57:29,967 --> 01:57:33,200
of the parks resolution, I can tell you it's important that we give the city manager the

1314
01:57:35,167 --> 01:57:37,933
ability. To follow the policy, report on the policy,

1315
01:57:39,333 --> 01:57:40,700
and enforce the policy. And we agree 100%.

1316
01:57:44,767 --> 01:57:48,600
this was totally separate from this resolution that we're discussing. Yes, sir.

1317
01:57:49,800 --> 01:57:53,367
thank you for your comments. It is my pleasure. Yeah. All right.

1318
01:57:55,433 --> 01:57:58,267
any further discussion? All in favor signify with aye.

1319
01:57:59,633 --> 01:58:02,600
aye. Opposed? Motion carries.

1320
01:58:03,733 --> 01:58:06,600
thank you. And let's see. Okay.

1321
01:58:08,467 --> 01:58:11,833
okay. Um okay we're gonna I'm sorry but we're gonna take a five

1322
01:58:13,900 --> 01:58:17,500
minute recess five minutes I'll stand by okay this meeting will now reconvene thank you all um but I think we're

1323
01:58:18,367 --> 01:58:18,367
over just past agency 2650.

1324
01:58:26,000 --> 01:58:28,700
yep. Yes. Okay.

1325
01:58:45,867 --> 01:58:49,400
so now we move to which is resolution number oh, no, it isn't. Yeah.

1326
01:58:51,367 --> 01:58:54,800
I think we're at 2654, aren't we? Well, yeah.

1327
01:58:58,000 --> 01:59:01,500
2650. So we are at resolution number 2650, resolution of the bank

1328
01:59:02,733 --> 01:59:06,233
for authorizing establishment. So, perfect. Cost-sharing, public rights

1329
01:59:07,267 --> 01:59:11,167
employees, operating in the city, and executing the necessary contracts, agreements, and

1330
01:59:12,167 --> 01:59:13,567
providers that we can develop. Thank you.

1331
01:59:22,467 --> 01:59:25,467
you're muted. Sorry. Okay, let me read that again.

1332
01:59:26,933 --> 01:59:28,433
my mic was off, sorry. Okay, resolution number 26-50,

1333
01:59:32,600 --> 01:59:36,167
a resolution of the city of atlantic beach, florida, authorizing the establishment of residential turf.

1334
01:59:37,267 --> 01:59:40,000
block cost sharing program for public rights of way authorizing the city manager to

1335
01:59:42,033 --> 01:59:45,867
execute necessary contracts and agreements and providing an effective date. Mr.

1336
01:59:47,267 --> 01:59:50,333
hogan-kamp. Thank you, mayor ford. We introduced this concept

1337
01:59:51,600 --> 01:59:55,067
to y'all at the last meeting and

1338
01:59:56,600 --> 01:59:59,067
in advance of presenting it as a resolution for consideration

1339
02:00:00,667 --> 02:00:02,000
of adopting a policy at this meeting.

1340
02:00:05,500 --> 02:00:09,200
so this would establish a residential turf block cost sharing program. The idea is

1341
02:00:10,400 --> 02:00:14,333
to balance the growing need for structured public parking with the preservation of permeable surfaces and

1342
02:00:15,700 --> 02:00:17,700
neighborhood aesthetics. At the moment, many residents

1343
02:00:20,567 --> 02:00:24,133
utilize unpaid city rights away for parking, which can lead to soil compaction, erosion,

1344
02:00:26,133 --> 02:00:29,333
and drainage issues. So to address this, the staff has developed

1345
02:00:30,933 --> 02:00:33,833
for your you consideration or green parking initiative, a cost sharing program that

1346
02:00:35,000 --> 02:00:37,700
enables residents to partner with the city to install turplock, a.k.a.

1347
02:00:39,167 --> 02:00:41,800
permeable pavers in the right away directly adjacent to their property line.

1348
02:00:52,567 --> 02:00:55,167
this proposed this policy along as ratified as codified by the resolution establishes

1349
02:00:57,333 --> 02:01:00,867
the following framework in terms of cost sharing costs for materials and professional

1350
02:01:02,733 --> 02:01:05,567
installation or. Split 50-50 between the

1351
02:01:07,300 --> 02:01:10,900
requesting resident and the city. As the installation occurs

1352
02:01:12,567 --> 02:01:15,667
on city-owned land, the parking remains open to the general public and cannot be

1353
02:01:17,533 --> 02:01:20,967
reserved or gated. The use of open cell turf block supports stormwater management

1354
02:01:23,333 --> 02:01:23,333
by enabling water to soak into

1355
02:01:27,400 --> 02:01:30,467
the ground rather than contribute to runoff. And property owners would

1356
02:01:32,433 --> 02:01:34,100
manage the routine vegetation, a.k.a.

1357
02:01:36,900 --> 02:01:39,767
mowing, while the city maintains responsibility for long-term structural repairs

1358
02:01:41,333 --> 02:01:44,567
and maintenance. Funding for this 50% share would be drawn from the city

1359
02:01:45,933 --> 02:01:48,633
budget as appropriated by the city commission. Individual project costs will

1360
02:01:50,100 --> 02:01:53,133
vary, of course, based on square footage. We did hear some really

1361
02:01:54,367 --> 02:01:55,533
valuable public input earlier. Certainly, by all means,

1362
02:01:58,667 --> 02:02:01,300
contemplate that. And if we don't answer questions satisfactory

1363
02:02:02,733 --> 02:02:05,900
to your being comfortable with approving this, we certainly aren't

1364
02:02:07,367 --> 02:02:10,567
in a rush. We're glad it's in the public domain for public input.

1365
02:02:12,033 --> 02:02:14,967
and, of course, we also concede, as you and I discussed

1366
02:02:16,267 --> 02:02:18,900
recently, that this policy, because it's new ground for us,

1367
02:02:20,367 --> 02:02:22,933
we don't know what it might look like ultimately. It could evolve as we get input

1368
02:02:24,500 --> 02:02:27,267
and learn about what we're dealing with. At the moment, our

1369
02:02:28,667 --> 02:02:31,400
recommendation is that you consider adopting resolution no.

1370
02:02:33,500 --> 02:02:37,300
2650. Make a motion to adopt resolution no. 2650.

1371
02:02:38,733 --> 02:02:42,500
second. We have a motion a second discussion yes commission I kind of interested in the cost

1372
02:02:43,867 --> 02:02:45,633
of I mean like what's the typical a typical party spot

1373
02:02:49,700 --> 02:02:52,867
what would it cost so what would it be our share and where in the budget is this money going to come from um thanks we

1374
02:02:54,133 --> 02:02:57,933
don't know the cost yet until we until we get a request and follow up we'll have some examples as we prepare the

1375
02:03:00,300 --> 02:03:02,133
upcoming budget and that would come from your uh fiscal year

1376
02:03:04,567 --> 02:03:06,467
26-27 budget. And so you'll hear more during

1377
02:03:08,733 --> 02:03:09,800
the budget process because we'll have a line item proposed

1378
02:03:15,667 --> 02:03:19,400
for your consideration in the budget. I mean, it's not a bad thing.

1379
02:03:20,533 --> 02:03:23,200
it's just that the price is pretty open right now. So for the last two years

1380
02:03:24,567 --> 02:03:26,000
running, you've had $50,000 in your budget for turf

1381
02:03:29,600 --> 02:03:32,733
block. And we spent $30,000 this year on turf block.

1382
02:03:35,767 --> 02:03:38,867
yes, I think on a single project, yes. So I'm going to just advocate

1383
02:03:40,300 --> 02:03:43,500
for it. I think we're all in agreement. It's certainly worthy of

1384
02:03:45,033 --> 02:03:48,367
testing out. I'm most interested to see if some of the citizens

1385
02:03:50,333 --> 02:03:53,467
that have raised their hand and said, I'd be happy to pay for it or pay for half

1386
02:03:54,700 --> 02:03:57,967
of it or something. We're going to test that.

1387
02:03:59,300 --> 02:04:02,300
ok, and we heard from one of our citizens tonight, and I don't want this

1388
02:04:03,633 --> 02:04:07,100
to be assumed to be a beachfront rich people get, you know, a boat, you know,

1389
02:04:08,833 --> 02:04:12,100
bogey for, you know, 50 percent of the time. The citizen spoke earlier is

1390
02:04:13,800 --> 02:04:15,300
not beachfront. In fact.

1391
02:04:17,900 --> 02:04:21,133
I believe he lives west of east coast. But I think what this is part

1392
02:04:22,233 --> 02:04:25,633
of, at least in my mind, what a atlantic beach, florida in 2026 looks like. We have an upscale community

1393
02:04:26,700 --> 02:04:29,833
today, nothing like 50 years ago. I know we want to keep it mayberry, but we have an

1394
02:04:30,900 --> 02:04:34,233
upscale community. And I've said it for three years. Our beachfront parking in

1395
02:04:35,333 --> 02:04:38,700
particular is a weed patch here and a dirt patch there. I'm tired of it. People don't know where they

1396
02:04:40,500 --> 02:04:43,933
can park, where they can't. Sometimes they nose in and they don't even parallel park

1397
02:04:44,933 --> 02:04:48,333
off the pavement. They just nose in and get as far

1398
02:04:49,367 --> 02:04:52,633
off the pavement as they can. And what this does for the city and for our police

1399
02:04:54,167 --> 02:04:58,000
chief is it designates where parking, ultimately, when we get a lot of it, assuming that we pursued this

1400
02:04:59,200 --> 02:05:03,133
over the years, it will really designate the parking. And one of the things that I'm passionate about,

1401
02:05:04,500 --> 02:05:07,667
I don't know I heard from the citizen earlier

1402
02:05:09,033 --> 02:05:12,733
about other forms of permeable pavers. Right now, all I know is turf block is my girl.

1403
02:05:14,300 --> 02:05:18,233
so turf, I've actually used it in a property I just completed

1404
02:05:19,167 --> 02:05:23,033
building. It's my lake house. But turf block, the reason why like it is we already have it

1405
02:05:25,767 --> 02:05:29,567
in the city of atlantic beach on city parking. We have it over by beaches diner.

1406
02:05:31,200 --> 02:05:34,833
we have it on some of our numbered streets. We have it over next to,

1407
02:05:36,467 --> 02:05:40,133
we have it at the new or near the new community center, don't we?

1408
02:05:42,500 --> 02:05:45,900
I don't know if that's actual turf block. It's, amanda, will you

1409
02:05:47,167 --> 02:05:50,667
describe? It is? Yes. Yeah.

1410
02:05:51,500 --> 02:05:54,400
so we've already started with that. Here's where I'm going. Whatever it is,

1411
02:05:55,533 --> 02:05:58,600
I think it should be turf block for now. But if we're consistent. Then we start training people

1412
02:05:59,800 --> 02:06:03,033
who are coming to our city, look for the turf block. That's public parking. We approved an exception.

1413
02:06:04,100 --> 02:06:04,100
to a denial that had been

1414
02:06:13,600 --> 02:06:16,667
denied by the cdb a few months ago for a citizen on 6th street

1415
02:06:18,067 --> 02:06:18,067
to put in pavers right away to

1416
02:06:24,033 --> 02:06:27,300
replace what was previously rock in front of his house. And I agreed

1417
02:06:28,667 --> 02:06:31,933
with the approval, but I made the comment then, and we didn't push it.

1418
02:06:33,900 --> 02:06:36,800
I wanted it to be turf block to match to the city parking, but we didn't make it so.

1419
02:06:38,433 --> 02:06:41,900
and so he went out and got something pretty. And if you let every citizen

1420
02:06:43,867 --> 02:06:46,767
in the city put in something pretty, you'll have 15 different shades

1421
02:06:47,967 --> 02:06:50,767
of permeable pavers and the citizens will be confused. I would love, and I'm going

1422
02:06:53,233 --> 02:06:57,133
to finish on this note, I would love to start this program without putting

1423
02:06:58,867 --> 02:07:01,533
in additional signage. But if we had to in the future, we could always

1424
02:07:02,967 --> 02:07:06,567
put up city signs saying public parking, right?

1425
02:07:07,967 --> 02:07:11,900
but the caveats are the language that the citizens participating per this legislation would be specific

1426
02:07:13,433 --> 02:07:17,267
that they do not have ownership of that parking space. It's open to the public.

1427
02:07:18,367 --> 02:07:22,267
it's city public parking. So anyways, I thank you if you all support it. Commissioner?

1428
02:07:23,867 --> 02:07:27,100
I'm going to support it, too. I just have some questions. I mean, I would, you know, let's say someone.

1429
02:07:28,333 --> 02:07:31,233
pays for half a spot and is across the street neighbor is the one who continues to use it

1430
02:07:33,633 --> 02:07:37,033
because maybe he gets home before the other guy does. All of a sudden you've got neighbor parking, you know,

1431
02:07:38,100 --> 02:07:40,500
so I just. Of course, why not? Yeah, no, I get it.

1432
02:07:42,333 --> 02:07:45,500
but I'm like, but and that part I'm ok with. But the the the property owner

1433
02:07:47,300 --> 02:07:50,733
who's putting up half to put the papers in, you know, he needs to understand that that could be a possibility and

1434
02:07:51,933 --> 02:07:55,700
that, you know, he has no recourse. That's exactly right. So I just want

1435
02:07:57,233 --> 02:07:58,900
to make sure that, you know, the verbiage says, you know,

1436
02:08:01,867 --> 02:08:05,467
says those things. Unless we want the homeowner to pay for all of it, and then he gets some sort of

1437
02:08:06,667 --> 02:08:09,900
preference certain times a day. I don't know.

1438
02:08:13,300 --> 02:08:16,667
yeah, and thank you for bringing that up.

1439
02:08:18,167 --> 02:08:22,067
I'm not in support of that as the pilot program.

1440
02:08:23,367 --> 02:08:27,267
okay. We always, look, in the next few years, we're going to be talking about changes in

1441
02:08:28,433 --> 02:08:30,033
our parking policy because we're getting more and more

1442
02:08:33,100 --> 02:08:35,333
visitors, right? That could be something

1443
02:08:37,433 --> 02:08:40,500
down the road. But for right now I think this is a great start.

1444
02:08:41,733 --> 02:08:45,400
okay. And so I think we should move forward. So we have a motion and a second.

1445
02:08:46,200 --> 02:08:49,367
any further discussion? All in favor signify with aye. Aye. Opposed?

1446
02:08:50,233 --> 02:08:53,867
motion carries. Resolution number 26-52, a resolution of the city of atlantic beach, florida, awarding bid 2526-10, marsh

1447
02:08:55,000 --> 02:08:58,267
oaks community center parking improvements project to j. Howard construction, authorizing the city manager to

1448
02:08:59,400 --> 02:09:02,633
execute the contract and purchase orders in accordance with and is necessary to effectuate the provisions of

1449
02:09:03,600 --> 02:09:05,667
this resolution and providing an effective date mr hogan cam thank you so much so the

1450
02:09:08,467 --> 02:09:11,833
purpose of this project is to select a contractor to perform the parking area improvements at marshall's

1451
02:09:13,067 --> 02:09:15,600
community center we received seven bids and are recommending going with the low bidder this

1452
02:09:17,300 --> 02:09:19,633
project is primarily funded and that's 196 750.72 cents by a

1453
02:09:25,467 --> 02:09:25,467
federal housing and development

1454
02:09:30,467 --> 02:09:33,167
or the community community development block grant another seventy seven thousand three

1455
02:09:38,000 --> 02:09:41,200
hundred and forty four dollars and fifty three cents is being

1456
02:09:42,367 --> 02:09:45,533
allocated from uh our our denton island road francis

1457
02:09:46,633 --> 02:09:50,500
avenue to mayport road connectivity project that's slated to be initiated this

1458
02:09:52,533 --> 02:09:54,667
fiscal year and is now slated to be completed

1459
02:09:57,333 --> 02:09:57,333
in fiscal year 26-27 we

1460
02:10:01,867 --> 02:10:02,900
recommend that you adopt 26 resolution number 2652.

1461
02:10:06,267 --> 02:10:09,900
make a motion to adopt resolution 2652. Second. We have a motion and second

1462
02:10:10,800 --> 02:10:14,400
discussion. I only have one thing to say.

1463
02:10:15,400 --> 02:10:18,300
you used to be able to build a whole house for the cost of this parking. Isn't that something?

1464
02:10:21,767 --> 02:10:24,867
but I did look at the other bids or I looked at the range. So I think, I guess we're...

1465
02:10:26,033 --> 02:10:28,800
the best we can be on that and we're lucky to have

1466
02:10:30,233 --> 02:10:33,767
that much parking available there and it is going to be the most significant parking that we have at a facility so that's

1467
02:10:34,700 --> 02:10:37,733
good all right if there's no further discussion all in favor signify with aye aye opposed motion carries uh let's

1468
02:10:38,800 --> 02:10:38,800
see resolution number 26-53

1469
02:10:47,600 --> 02:10:51,400
of resolution of the city of atlantic beach florida authorizing the acceptance of a charitable yeah we only did

1470
02:10:52,500 --> 02:10:55,733
that okay I knew we hadn't got to that okay, resolution number 26-54, resolution of the city of atlantic beach, florida,

1471
02:10:56,800 --> 02:11:00,133
authorizing the city manager to execute a consulting services agreement with civic consulting group, llc,

1472
02:11:01,233 --> 02:11:04,633
for the review and development of the interlocal agreement. In parentheses rfp 26-01 authorizing a cost-sharing

1473
02:11:05,733 --> 02:11:05,733
arrangement with the sigma of

1474
02:11:13,700 --> 02:11:17,067
jacksonville providing conflicts and providing an effective date mr hogan thank

1475
02:11:20,033 --> 02:11:23,867
you as we all know very well the city has long operated under an interlocal agreement with the consolidated city of

1476
02:11:25,500 --> 02:11:27,367
jacksonville regarding the delivery of municipal services

1477
02:11:32,367 --> 02:11:36,033
and the allocation of tax revenues to ensure fiscal transparency and equity

1478
02:11:38,633 --> 02:11:40,433
for residents, staff identified a need for

1479
02:11:42,700 --> 02:11:43,833
professional independent review of the current ila structure.

1480
02:11:50,233 --> 02:11:53,500
following the issuance of an rfp, civic consulting group was selected, and indeed,

1481
02:11:54,800 --> 02:11:58,600
civic consulting group was the only bidder. So the idea is for this firm to

1482
02:12:06,733 --> 02:12:10,367
perform a comprehensive forensic fiscal analysis. And recognizing the mutual

1483
02:12:12,233 --> 02:12:14,067
benefit of establishing an independent source of truth

1484
02:12:16,700 --> 02:12:20,533
for future negotiations, the city of atlantic beach and the city of jacksonville have

1485
02:12:22,300 --> 02:12:24,933
agreed to equally share the professional fees associated with this study.

1486
02:12:26,367 --> 02:12:29,700
the study has an eight-month timeline, and staff recommends the city

1487
02:12:31,433 --> 02:12:33,967
commission approve this agreement via resolution no. 2654.

1488
02:12:35,533 --> 02:12:39,033
I make a motion to approve resolution no. 2654. Second.

1489
02:12:40,200 --> 02:12:44,167
we have a motion and a second discussion. Yes, sir. I spoke

1490
02:12:45,200 --> 02:12:47,833
with my ex-fellow commissioner, brittany norris, about this very topic.

1491
02:12:49,767 --> 02:12:52,800
and I think, again, I think she's pretty plugged

1492
02:12:55,533 --> 02:12:59,000
in, but the city of jacksonville is on board with this. Yes.

1493
02:13:00,267 --> 02:13:03,567
I think it's about time. And I think when she was on our city commission, she was the go-to person.

1494
02:13:04,800 --> 02:13:07,300
for the interlocal agreement that done the history. So it's good that we have a

1495
02:13:10,333 --> 02:13:14,200
connection with the city of jacksonville, and it's good that we are kind of holding our feet

1496
02:13:15,333 --> 02:13:16,400
to the fire. Yes, thank you, commissioner.

1497
02:13:19,367 --> 02:13:23,133
I'll comment. Go ahead, commissioner. Yeah, I just had a question. You said this was the only

1498
02:13:24,033 --> 02:13:27,000
company that bid on this? Yes, sir.

1499
02:13:29,400 --> 02:13:33,133
is this the group down in? Kissimmee. Homestead, I think. Homestead.

1500
02:13:34,133 --> 02:13:37,267
homestead, okay. And there's nobody else in town or nobody wants

1501
02:13:38,200 --> 02:13:41,500
to touch this because of potential conflict or, you know. I'm going to answer that

1502
02:13:42,567 --> 02:13:45,733
since I've been part of these discussions from the beginning and through several discussions.

1503
02:13:46,800 --> 02:13:50,033
in addition, discussions with our partners at city of jacksonville. I was very disappointed that we

1504
02:13:51,267 --> 02:13:54,400
only got one bid. I was delighted that we got one bid. So let me tell you, that was a.

1505
02:13:55,400 --> 02:13:58,633
a mixed feeling on that because that bid came in the day of, I believe it came in the day

1506
02:13:59,833 --> 02:13:59,833
of or the day

1507
02:14:08,067 --> 02:14:10,833
before the deadline. And so immediately I thought, oh my goodness.

1508
02:14:14,333 --> 02:14:17,933
okay. And I'm so glad, thank you, city manager, for being

1509
02:14:19,300 --> 02:14:22,633
transparent that we only got the one bid because it's important to acknowledge that

1510
02:14:23,800 --> 02:14:27,467
we got one bid, but that's why it became real important to interview them properly. And we did that.

1511
02:14:28,567 --> 02:14:32,533
with our partners at coj, I believe, counsel, you were on that, two of those calls. So anyways, we interviewed

1512
02:14:33,667 --> 02:14:37,000
them, found them to be extraordinarily professional with a lot of credentials for doing similar studies

1513
02:14:38,033 --> 02:14:41,400
for other cities. And then finally, it occurred to me that, you know, maybe sometimes things happen

1514
02:14:42,467 --> 02:14:45,800
for a reason. I know that's a cliche, but having, you know, we had thought.

1515
02:14:47,000 --> 02:14:50,133
previously, maybe local universities like a unf or a ju or somebody would handle that through one of their

1516
02:14:51,233 --> 02:14:52,500
departments and that would be good.

1517
02:15:08,100 --> 02:15:10,600
but then what if there's a bias there because they know people at coj or they're doing other

1518
02:15:12,667 --> 02:15:15,767
work or other studies for coj? So I think for full transparency, I am delighted

1519
02:15:18,000 --> 02:15:21,233
with the firm and I'm delighted with the fact that they have no allegiances to atlantic beach or the city of jacksonville.

1520
02:15:22,367 --> 02:15:25,900
and I think. Reform a very similar problem on this, but that's just my take.

1521
02:15:27,033 --> 02:15:30,467
thank you. Okay. Further discussion? Okay.

1522
02:15:31,767 --> 02:15:31,767
all in favor signify

1523
02:15:37,767 --> 02:15:40,933
with aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion carries.

1524
02:15:42,000 --> 02:15:45,667
so what is the cost? $89,000. And that's $40-something is our half.

1525
02:15:46,567 --> 02:15:50,333
oh, okay. So that's the question. Mary, you probably know this answer. How does neptune beach you

1526
02:15:51,400 --> 02:15:52,533
enter into that agreement. They don't.

1527
02:15:55,733 --> 02:15:55,733
well, and to be clear,

1528
02:16:00,467 --> 02:16:03,767
and we all know bits and pieces of this, but there are three separate interlocal agreements. Jax beach has theirs.

1529
02:16:04,800 --> 02:16:08,100
neptune beach has theirs. And we have ours. And I'll give you a quick delineation.

1530
02:16:09,133 --> 02:16:12,333
difference between us, one critical difference between us and neptune beach, and this is outside of the main

1531
02:16:13,300 --> 02:16:16,633
interlocal agreement, but they pay nothing for fire service. We do.

1532
02:16:17,733 --> 02:16:21,067
that's right. And then we provide our fire engine to service neptune beach.

1533
02:16:22,100 --> 02:16:23,367
but city of jacksonville. Pardon me, the city of

1534
02:16:28,800 --> 02:16:31,967
jacksonville beach, they pay for fire service, but they don't pay any tipping fees for garbage.

1535
02:16:33,000 --> 02:16:36,500
and that's a bigger number. It's a huge number. So it's not the same. And we had asked previously if

1536
02:16:37,667 --> 02:16:41,333
neptune beach wanted to partner on this initiative, and their answer was no.

1537
02:16:42,633 --> 02:16:45,933
and I also asked mayor hoffman in jacksonville beach whether they intended to pursue a reconsideration

1538
02:16:47,133 --> 02:16:50,533
of their interlocal, and the answer was no. So at this time, I do not know what neptune

1539
02:16:51,500 --> 02:16:51,500
beach is doing.

1540
02:16:56,333 --> 02:16:58,867
they may not be using an outside firm. They may be just having

1541
02:17:04,267 --> 02:17:07,267
discussions. So I'm not saying they're not. I'm just saying they did not choose.

1542
02:17:08,333 --> 02:17:12,233
the fire was where I was going with that. Yeah, well, and to be clear, this is part

1543
02:17:13,267 --> 02:17:16,567
of our expectation in this review. We would like to do two things, in my

1544
02:17:17,533 --> 02:17:21,000
opinion. I hope I'm not speaking out of turn, but we would like to roll the fire agreement into

1545
02:17:22,267 --> 02:17:25,567
our main agreement as opposed to keeping it separate as it's always been. And secondly, is we want fire

1546
02:17:26,600 --> 02:17:28,633
to be designated as a county service at no charge to the city of atlantic

1547
02:17:32,500 --> 02:17:35,567
beach. So that's a significant budgetary number. And to put it,

1548
02:17:36,767 --> 02:17:40,267
I'll give you the number. Two years ago, that was $1.5 million. We negotiated that

1549
02:17:42,600 --> 02:17:43,667
down this year to $750,000. And did we get affirmative

1550
02:17:47,767 --> 02:17:51,467
affirmation on the extension? We have, yes. And that's through when?

1551
02:17:52,667 --> 02:17:52,667
through.

1552
02:17:58,400 --> 02:18:01,833
may the 1st of 2027. So we now have extended the 750 through that period, which

1553
02:18:05,033 --> 02:18:08,700
it depends upon how you look at it. Some citizens think it should be zero, but it's 750,000 less

1554
02:18:09,967 --> 02:18:13,033
than it was two years ago. So that's where we stand. All right.

1555
02:18:14,233 --> 02:18:14,233
we voted.

1556
02:18:18,933 --> 02:18:21,833
thank you. Okay. Let's see. All right, 9a, which is

1557
02:18:28,867 --> 02:18:32,200
ordinance number 90-26-259. This is introduction and first reading,

1558
02:18:33,300 --> 02:18:36,500
so we'll have a second reading, and this is open to public comment. An ordinance of the city of

1559
02:18:37,700 --> 02:18:41,100
atlantic beach, county of duval, state of florida, approving the development agreement between the city of

1560
02:18:42,200 --> 02:18:45,500
atlantic beach and south coast capital partnership limited and authorizing the city manager to execute same

1561
02:18:48,233 --> 02:18:51,800
to provide for a development contract to govern the redevelopment of 299 atlantic boulevard,

1562
02:18:53,067 --> 02:18:56,833
providing landscaping compensation allowing for the redevelopment of a portion of the existing

1563
02:18:58,000 --> 02:19:01,900
building providing for conflict providing for codification providing for severability and providing an

1564
02:19:03,167 --> 02:19:05,533
effective date mr hogan camp thank you in advance of uh recommending for the

1565
02:19:12,033 --> 02:19:15,267
commission that you adopt ordinance number 90-26 that's 259 on first read uh and this will require a second read

1566
02:19:20,300 --> 02:19:24,133
on passage I'd like to get our neighborhood department director.

1567
02:19:26,100 --> 02:19:30,067
amanda askew has worked with our city attorney on this agreement to come and give an overview.

1568
02:19:31,200 --> 02:19:34,200
hi, good evening, amanda askew. This would be our first

1569
02:19:35,367 --> 02:19:38,867
development agreement that we've done here. It's kind of exciting. The state authorizes

1570
02:19:41,000 --> 02:19:44,133
development agreements through the florida local government development act and it's codified in state statute.

1571
02:19:50,800 --> 02:19:54,767
a development agreement is a contract entered into between a city and a developer that

1572
02:19:55,867 --> 02:19:59,400
expressly defines the rules, regulations, and commitments and policies governing a

1573
02:20:01,333 --> 02:20:05,133
specific development project for a defined period of time. And as the city manager

1574
02:20:06,200 --> 02:20:09,300
mentioned, we have been working with the developer and their attorney

1575
02:20:10,500 --> 02:20:13,967
and our attorney to negotiate a development agreement for 299 atlantic boulevard and 0 ahern, which is the portion of

1576
02:20:15,100 --> 02:20:18,833
the building that the former rag time was located on. They are going under significant renovations,

1577
02:20:20,200 --> 02:20:22,667
and as part of those renovations, they triggered some landscaping

1578
02:20:24,833 --> 02:20:28,133
requirements in the code 24-176-3 that indicates if you exceed more than 25%

1579
02:20:29,300 --> 02:20:31,833
of the assessed value, then you have to come into compliance with our

1580
02:20:33,400 --> 02:20:36,567
required landscaping requirements. The required landscaping

1581
02:20:37,933 --> 02:20:40,300
requirements would require a buffer, a landscape buffer between the building and the

1582
02:20:42,367 --> 02:20:45,300
street and in the rear parking lot. Of course,

1583
02:20:46,833 --> 02:20:49,900
we know the building has been there, its existing conditions, so that would be impossible

1584
02:20:51,367 --> 02:20:53,133
really to come into compliance with.

1585
02:20:59,367 --> 02:21:03,067
if you do come into compliance with the landscaping requirements in the rear

1586
02:21:05,533 --> 02:21:09,033
of the property, you'd be losing a significant amount of the parking spaces. And so it's a balancing act

1587
02:21:10,833 --> 02:21:11,967
between providing parking in the beaches town center and

1588
02:21:15,067 --> 02:21:18,467
landscaping. It would be in excess of 10 parking spaces that would be lost if they came

1589
02:21:19,667 --> 02:21:23,600
into compliance. This particular location, the existing building, and matches the comprehensive

1590
02:21:25,533 --> 02:21:29,133
plan future land use designation of central business district and the zoning district regulations.

1591
02:21:30,367 --> 02:21:32,100
this would serve a public purpose.

1592
02:21:35,200 --> 02:21:38,933
the proposed landscaping would be paid in lieu. And so they have provided and

1593
02:21:40,667 --> 02:21:40,667
we have concurred that it would

1594
02:21:47,767 --> 02:21:51,067
cost $162,595 to come into compliance with our required landscaping code.

1595
02:21:52,867 --> 02:21:55,667
so this proposed development agreement would authorize the developer to make that payment

1596
02:21:57,800 --> 02:22:00,633
to the city. There are stipulations with that payment.

1597
02:22:01,933 --> 02:22:05,500
outlined in the code. One stipulation is that they would need to commence construction

1598
02:22:06,800 --> 02:22:09,600
within 12 months and then be finished upon 36 months, although I know they are ready

1599
02:22:10,900 --> 02:22:14,900
to start construction relatively soon. They are also in the proposed ordinance tied

1600
02:22:16,267 --> 02:22:16,267
to the money is where the money

1601
02:22:23,467 --> 02:22:23,467
would go.

1602
02:22:30,967 --> 02:22:34,067
we wanted to make sure that the money just did not go into the general fund and the money

1603
02:22:35,400 --> 02:22:38,233
would be allocated to be used for the beaches town center or the tree fund, or specifically

1604
02:22:39,567 --> 02:22:42,433
in the beaches town center area. This is a proposed ordinance.

1605
02:22:44,133 --> 02:22:48,067
so as the city manager mentioned,

1606
02:22:49,267 --> 02:22:52,333
we will have second read on it. And I'll answer any questions you might have.

1607
02:22:53,500 --> 02:22:56,933
I do. Thanks for the last part. I know. I wish bruce andrews was still

1608
02:22:58,100 --> 02:23:01,467
here to hear that. The other thing, and I spoke to kevin about this. Kind of interesting, and

1609
02:23:05,300 --> 02:23:08,733
kevin, you correct me, but the parking fees that we collect on our portion at beech's town center agency, I know

1610
02:23:09,867 --> 02:23:13,600
you're looking at the ceiling, kevin, probably didn't hear this one, theoretically should go back

1611
02:23:15,133 --> 02:23:18,100
to that area in general. Again, correct me if I'm wrong. I'm glad

1612
02:23:19,700 --> 02:23:22,233
to hear that the money's tied to that.

1613
02:23:25,000 --> 02:23:28,233
I'm sure thomas will be happy to tell the our friends at beech's town center agency

1614
02:23:29,533 --> 02:23:33,000
about that. And I'm sure they have all

1615
02:23:34,300 --> 02:23:37,433
kinds of ideas of what to do with that. But thanks, amanda. I have a question, though.

1616
02:23:38,533 --> 02:23:42,233
when you say that by our code, it has to stay in beech's town center, does it have to stay in beech's town

1617
02:23:43,467 --> 02:23:43,467
center on the atlantic beach

1618
02:23:49,133 --> 02:23:52,733
side because it's an atlantic beach property or potentially usable by the neptune beach side?

1619
02:23:53,800 --> 02:23:57,400
I think that's up for discussion. The way we've gotten the agreement written,

1620
02:23:59,000 --> 02:24:02,400
it is 5h and it's found on, let's see, I don't think I have a page

1621
02:24:03,367 --> 02:24:04,433
number, but it's 5h in the contract.

1622
02:24:10,333 --> 02:24:14,167
it says south coast shall make a payment of $162,995 to the city in lieu

1623
02:24:15,300 --> 02:24:19,000
of planting the landscape on the property by which shall be deposited into the city's beaches town

1624
02:24:19,967 --> 02:24:21,167
center fund. It's tree fund or designated

1625
02:24:26,067 --> 02:24:29,300
account and used exclusively for off-site landscaping or environmental enhancements within the beaches town center

1626
02:24:30,500 --> 02:24:30,500
part of the city.

1627
02:24:37,867 --> 02:24:41,400
okay. Yeah, okay. And thank you. So I heard it enhanced.

1628
02:24:43,867 --> 02:24:46,000
and what was the enhancements? Environmental enhancements.

1629
02:24:48,600 --> 02:24:52,100
so environmental usually denotes something that's growing. We're thinking perhaps some

1630
02:24:53,100 --> 02:24:56,500
bioswales. We are doing some. Improvements and because that's I guess after looking

1631
02:24:57,667 --> 02:25:01,133
at the cost of the parking lot at the community center that's not much money but I don't know that you have much dirt that

1632
02:25:02,200 --> 02:25:03,633
you could re-landscape within our side

1633
02:25:09,000 --> 02:25:12,733
of beechestown center and I want to go on record this money better not go to neptune beach I I love neptune beach's side

1634
02:25:15,000 --> 02:25:18,367
of beechestown center but they need to fund that and we need to focus on the atlantic beach

1635
02:25:19,467 --> 02:25:23,000
side the part you stopped reading can you can you go back and read that last full

1636
02:25:24,167 --> 02:25:28,133
sentence? Because it says something about... Okay.

1637
02:25:29,567 --> 02:25:30,967
it says, which shall be deposited into the city's

1638
02:25:33,867 --> 02:25:36,467
beaches town center fund, its tree fund or designated account to be used exclusively for

1639
02:25:38,000 --> 02:25:41,467
off-site landscaping or environmental enhancements within the beaches town center

1640
02:25:46,067 --> 02:25:49,133
part of the city. We could amend that to say

1641
02:25:50,200 --> 02:25:52,733
atlantic beach. Let me be clear. It says part

1642
02:25:54,367 --> 02:25:58,233
of the city is defined as atlantic beach. That's the only place it can be utilized.

1643
02:25:59,933 --> 02:26:03,267
if you want it to be utilized for neptune beach, you should say so.

1644
02:26:04,667 --> 02:26:08,467
but right now, it's only in atlantic beach. Yes, I thought that little phrase tacked

1645
02:26:09,900 --> 02:26:13,433
in there would be. All right, so that answers that. However,

1646
02:26:14,533 --> 02:26:17,867
since this has come up, which fund are we depositing it into? Because where are you going to put $150,000 with the trees

1647
02:26:19,133 --> 02:26:22,533
in beech's town center? Yes, sir. It's not just trees. Well, do we have different

1648
02:26:23,533 --> 02:26:26,700
accounts, though? I think we do have different accounts. But I'll give you an example.

1649
02:26:27,700 --> 02:26:31,700
I know kevin knows this. We clean the sidewalks with the gum. Not a lot of money, but there's also

1650
02:26:32,800 --> 02:26:36,467
around that and the merchants. Thomas knows this, are excited that we, and we only do it a couple times a

1651
02:26:37,767 --> 02:26:40,300
year, the trees, but I think, you know, that whole area, hey, you know what, it's kind

1652
02:26:42,133 --> 02:26:43,900
of a trust fund for that area.

1653
02:26:46,600 --> 02:26:50,533
I agree, but I'm just trying to be clear. If we have different accounts,

1654
02:26:51,700 --> 02:26:55,067
once it's deposited, let's say we have an account that's just the tree fund for beechestown

1655
02:26:56,067 --> 02:26:59,533
center. Once it's in there, it can't be moved without action

1656
02:27:01,467 --> 02:27:02,700
of this commission. So how are we structured

1657
02:27:05,800 --> 02:27:09,067
accounting wise to deposit this money? Yeah. To be clear, we'll go through

1658
02:27:10,033 --> 02:27:13,467
our accounting procedures. This will be a standalone fund as described. So you'll simply take all of

1659
02:27:14,733 --> 02:27:18,300
that verbiage so that we can go any of the directions permitted under code unless we are

1660
02:27:19,467 --> 02:27:20,867
willing to change our own code. And

1661
02:27:24,400 --> 02:27:27,733
of course, we're not spending any money that you don't

1662
02:27:29,100 --> 02:27:32,000
appropriate through the budget process. Well, that would be

1663
02:27:35,233 --> 02:27:39,200
appropriate. Thank you. Okay, I guess I beat that up enough. Yes, sir. Can I ask amanda a question? And I bet everybody

1664
02:27:40,433 --> 02:27:44,133
up here has got this question. What's going in? What's the deal? Is this public information? They have

1665
02:27:45,367 --> 02:27:49,100
submitted plans for interior remodel. It's a restaurant, and they are adding

1666
02:27:50,333 --> 02:27:51,500
a second floor covered deck seating area, not

1667
02:27:57,900 --> 02:28:00,600
over the entire footprint of the roof, but a portion. I

1668
02:28:02,233 --> 02:28:05,467
saw the diagram. Is there a name? I don't know the name, but I can see if rafton and

1669
02:28:11,667 --> 02:28:14,667
fleck got it. Thank you. You heard it here. I just. Yes, sir. Thanks, merritt. So it's

1670
02:28:17,667 --> 02:28:18,967
not going to be mexican. It's just I'm in support of this.

1671
02:28:24,267 --> 02:28:27,367
but I do have to say this feels and I'm happy

1672
02:28:29,600 --> 02:28:32,900
about the money. I mean. Lord knows we can, you know,

1673
02:28:35,500 --> 02:28:37,900
we'll put it to good use. It just feels a little bit, you know, like a gotcha moment in

1674
02:28:41,500 --> 02:28:44,400
our code that here we are having a developer coming in that's going

1675
02:28:45,600 --> 02:28:48,767
to renovate a space that was in bad need of renovation. That building had some issues.

1676
02:28:50,167 --> 02:28:52,900
so we're going to come in here, put something brand new. And

1677
02:28:54,533 --> 02:28:58,533
it's like, oh, by the way, you know, once you go past a certain percentage of improvement, you now have to

1678
02:28:59,867 --> 02:29:03,800
do all this stuff that's really not doable. And so, you know, 162,000, gotcha. Not real crazy about that. I'm all for being

1679
02:29:05,167 --> 02:29:08,033
fair and doing the right thing. But this feels very penal. But, you know, we'll move on.

1680
02:29:10,667 --> 02:29:13,967
welcome to this dais. Yep. Okay, thank you. We need to open up public comment. Do

1681
02:29:15,700 --> 02:29:15,700
we have anybody signed up? We

1682
02:29:20,267 --> 02:29:20,267
don't have public hearing

1683
02:29:28,233 --> 02:29:31,867
for this. Oh, I thought we did it on the first one. I apologize.

1684
02:29:33,167 --> 02:29:35,900
okay. Okay, then I won't even close what I couldn't open. Okay, further discussion?

1685
02:29:37,200 --> 02:29:40,467
okay. All in favor signify with aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion

1686
02:29:45,467 --> 02:29:47,633
carries, and that was unanimous. Thank

1687
02:29:49,800 --> 02:29:52,267
you. I did. Okay. We'll go directly to city attorney

1688
02:29:55,467 --> 02:29:58,267
comments. I have nothing to comment on. Okay. City clerk? Donna? Nothing? No.

1689
02:29:59,633 --> 02:30:03,433
okay, commissioner bull. Yeah, I wish bruce was still

1690
02:30:04,700 --> 02:30:06,500
here. Thomas brought this up. I was at the beach and stone

1691
02:30:15,533 --> 02:30:18,967
center agency for five years. Kendra robertson was a treasure for this community. Yes.

1692
02:30:22,267 --> 02:30:25,467
for both neptune, atlantic beach. She held the glue together. A lot

1693
02:30:27,167 --> 02:30:29,933
of these events that you see around here. She was one

1694
02:30:31,233 --> 02:30:34,400
of the driving forces. She was a volunteer out here, you know, dancing and all the things that

1695
02:30:35,800 --> 02:30:38,633
go on here. It's sad to hear that because she put her heart and soul into that. And I'm

1696
02:30:40,600 --> 02:30:43,633
personally, I'm taking this for- it's not kendra. I don't think it's

1697
02:30:45,133 --> 02:30:48,467
kendra. Oh, it's not kendra? No. Okay. I'm sorry. Kendra's still there. Okay. Kendra's

1698
02:30:49,933 --> 02:30:52,933
still there. Sorry. I was going down the wrong- I noted a lack of naming,

1699
02:30:53,967 --> 02:30:56,833
so we might leave it at that. Anyway, they do a great job and full support of kendra. I'm

1700
02:30:58,733 --> 02:31:02,500
done. All right commissioner kelly oh sorry about hacking up

1701
02:31:04,000 --> 02:31:06,600
alone oh it's okay I'm almost better right is that your report that's it man thank you

1702
02:31:08,200 --> 02:31:11,967
but he knows a good doctor commissioner grant I'm good thanks and I have nothing

1703
02:31:13,767 --> 02:31:15,733
further to give tonight this meeting is

1704
02:31:21,367 --> 02:31:21,367
adjourned.