1 00:00:00,300 --> 00:00:01,720 Thank you. 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:30,140 I'm sorry, I just have a quick point on the minutes. We need to go back before we approve them. We need to verify that the attendance is listed correctly because there were a bunch of people listed as members in attendance or members not in attendance that aren't actually members of the commission. They're associate members. Okay. All right. Maybe let's hold on this Barbara. You and I will can go through it. 3 00:00:30,140 --> 00:00:33,720 interest of time. We'll go through it offline and then we can approve them next time. 4 00:00:34,260 --> 00:00:40,460 I'm wondering if what we could do is amend Senator Baldurys' motion and approve 5 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:47,080 the minutes themselves and adjust the attendance as needed. And then we can go ahead and get that 6 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:47,300 approved. 7 00:00:49,540 --> 00:00:55,000 That's a friendly, that's a friendly amendment. I would accept. Thank you. I mean, 8 00:00:55,000 --> 00:01:00,980 all in on a row. Perfect. All right. Well, Brittany and I will go through them and we'll 9 00:01:00,980 --> 00:01:05,480 double check that and we'll adjust the membership. But most of the previous minutes have been 10 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:13,340 seconded all in favor. Why? Any opposed? Seeing none, that motion carries. Excellent. Okay. 11 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:20,380 Then let's move on to what's turning over to our safety team and do some updates and data reports. 12 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:28,160 Okay. Great. I will share my screen and get that started. 13 00:01:31,070 --> 00:01:31,350 Okay. 14 00:01:37,700 --> 00:01:41,580 So we have the numbers 15 00:01:41,580 --> 00:01:52,000 and I'm on a smaller screen today. So if I am having it looks good. All right. So we've 16 00:01:52,000 --> 00:02:00,520 We've got the rolling 13 month summary on the left hand side are our active users since 17 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,660 July 2026. 18 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:11,960 So our month of July usage are downloaded from inception at below that and then the 19 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:18,200 downloads for the month of July and then just to compare the total enrollment for the school 20 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,920 year of all of the schools that we have listed. 21 00:02:20,920 --> 00:02:28,480 Our monthly volumes are at the top with the chats in the orange color and the tips in the brown. 22 00:02:29,820 --> 00:02:34,140 And again, this is a 13 month summary, so we'll look at the monthly breakdown in a moment. 23 00:02:34,500 --> 00:02:38,720 And then the lifesaving interventions at the bottom of in green. 24 00:02:38,980 --> 00:02:45,220 And you'll see that those follow a similar pattern to the chats and tips with seasonality. 25 00:02:45,220 --> 00:02:54,280 those numbers are a little bit lower in the summer when schools out and then we have a bit of an 26 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:55,540 increase during the school year. 27 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:03,020 Here is a breakdown more specifically with the number of 28 00:03:03,020 --> 00:03:09,940 messages and back which is back and forth like bubbles on a text message if you think of it that way 29 00:03:09,940 --> 00:03:29,820 And our top tip topics are continuing to be suicide, bullying, and substance abuse at the top three and then self-harmoned school complaints at the bottom and then potential school threats on the far right total for the 13 months we had 477 30 00:03:29,820 --> 00:03:37,120 three of those we identified as higher ad or college campuses which is that top line campus threat. 31 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:53,080 And then the 120 were specific school threats and then we had just some general like violence and weapons that may not have been essentially associated with those top two. 32 00:03:54,620 --> 00:04:02,520 And I might have to look into that number because I've got a few questions I'm looking at it but that is our 13 month look. 33 00:04:04,500 --> 00:04:11,500 and we have our year-over-year, so compared to the month's year of last year, 34 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:18,480 excuse me, for July 2026. And we do have a 2024 on there just for some reference to, 35 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:22,720 so this current year is in yellow and then last year's that turquoise 36 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:27,660 and the year before is the purple. You can see the change over the same month 37 00:04:27,660 --> 00:04:36,140 from previous year of chats, the numbers are a little bit less than before, we've usually 38 00:04:36,140 --> 00:04:42,140 seen a big dip in that area. It's a little less. And then tips, actually, we didn't see 39 00:04:42,140 --> 00:04:49,420 a dip. That was a 0% change, but the tip message is the back and forth. If you want to think 40 00:04:49,420 --> 00:04:55,080 about the intensity of the actual conversation in the tip with the counselor, that actually 41 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,400 went up by 67%, which is kind of interesting. 42 00:04:59,900 --> 00:05:05,160 And then you'll see just overall the 13-month percentage 43 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:09,920 changes continuing to trend downward at the negative 25 44 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:11,080 and negative 21. 45 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,620 It's interesting to look at some of these numbers 46 00:05:16,420 --> 00:05:20,340 and see the percentages are going down, 47 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,440 but overall, like, number, count, theater, 48 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:25,660 a year don't seem to be super drastic. 49 00:05:26,620 --> 00:05:32,180 So it could be that our intensity is continuing to stay 50 00:05:32,180 --> 00:05:35,420 at a certain level, even if the actual number 51 00:05:35,420 --> 00:05:37,780 of messages sent in is lowering. 52 00:05:39,550 --> 00:05:42,340 But that's something we'd have to actually look at 53 00:05:42,340 --> 00:05:43,520 and really dig into. 54 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:50,920 Our monthly summary for 2026, excuse me, July, specifically, 55 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:55,760 We can see our chats and our tips up here with the back-and-forth messages. 56 00:05:57,980 --> 00:06:04,680 And the top five tips, topics trend with the rest of the data that it's suicidality 57 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:10,900 and mental health and bullying and abuse and self-harm, and we didn't have, when we have 58 00:06:10,900 --> 00:06:20,240 an exit, usually a number between nine and one, and so we had probably a number in between 59 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:25,140 that for the potential school threats and that's why there's the X. 60 00:06:27,900 --> 00:06:28,100 For 61 00:06:28,100 --> 00:06:35,000 frontline we have our July downloads here and the download since inception. We 62 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:39,160 don't have the utilization for frontline and national guard on this meeting, but 63 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:45,460 we did email out a copy to commission members to look at those in detail if you'd 64 00:06:45,460 --> 00:06:48,600 like and you can always ask me questions about that via email or give me a call 65 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:55,680 afterwards. If you want to dig into that a little bit more. The National Guard downloads for the 66 00:06:55,680 --> 00:07:03,940 month were again in between nine and one usually is what the X indicates and the downloads and 67 00:07:03,940 --> 00:07:13,160 inception are at the bottom. We just a quick update on National Guard. We did meet with Onika Hunt 68 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:20,720 who is over with the National Guard and talked about taking on the marketing and the outreach 69 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:26,040 this year and just looking ahead at ways we can support National Guard for the upcoming year. 70 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:27,560 So we'll have more to come on that. 71 00:07:30,430 --> 00:07:35,370 The last thing that I wanted to talk about and we could, 72 00:07:35,490 --> 00:07:39,570 I could bring it up here and then if we want to have it as a round table item or something afterwards 73 00:07:40,550 --> 00:07:46,390 Aaron, you can let me know what would work best for the for the flow of the meeting, but I just 74 00:07:46,390 --> 00:07:50,630 wanted to report out and I don't have anything else to share on this screen. So I'll stop screen 75 00:07:50,630 --> 00:07:55,890 sharing so I can see all of you. I just want to report that the white paper is finally finished. 76 00:07:56,390 --> 00:08:00,830 Some of you probably weren't even here when we talked about it at first, so I'll give a quick 77 00:08:01,750 --> 00:08:07,910 recap of what that was meant for, but a couple of years ago, actually a few years ago now, 78 00:08:07,910 --> 00:08:16,270 We really were getting a lot of questions from other states about how we created safety 79 00:08:16,270 --> 00:08:21,710 T and how we got to be so successful with our legislative champions and with our schools 80 00:08:21,710 --> 00:08:22,590 throughout the state. 81 00:08:23,230 --> 00:08:26,410 And we were just getting a lot of inquiries about it. 82 00:08:27,670 --> 00:08:34,590 And that really led us to believe that we needed to produce a white paper to just establish 83 00:08:34,590 --> 00:08:41,970 the standard of this kind of treatment, so crisis intervention, be a text for school-age kids 84 00:08:41,970 --> 00:08:48,790 and college students and families. And so we got working on that paper. I know it was a collaboration 85 00:08:48,790 --> 00:08:57,110 of commission members and those of us at HMHI on the operations team as well as our research team 86 00:08:57,110 --> 00:09:00,530 who had a chance to do various projects 87 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:02,650 looking at safety outcomes. 88 00:09:03,510 --> 00:09:07,210 And so we have finally finished that document. 89 00:09:08,010 --> 00:09:09,970 And it's really great. 90 00:09:10,010 --> 00:09:12,810 It's all encompassing of what our program is 91 00:09:12,810 --> 00:09:19,130 and our history and just kind of some basics of 92 00:09:19,130 --> 00:09:20,530 this is what we do. 93 00:09:20,750 --> 00:09:23,810 This is how we were successful in our state. 94 00:09:25,570 --> 00:09:32,150 And so one of the things I'd like to ask you all as commission members is to look over 95 00:09:32,150 --> 00:09:40,130 the paper and it is in the final version but we're obviously wanting it to be published 96 00:09:40,130 --> 00:09:41,970 once everyone's happy with it. 97 00:09:42,170 --> 00:09:48,130 So keeping in mind that it's final version but you can still add some thoughts if you think 98 00:09:48,130 --> 00:09:51,090 we really need to go in a different direction or if we've missed something. 99 00:09:51,090 --> 00:09:56,150 And then we're going to talk about where we would like to have that published. 100 00:09:58,250 --> 00:10:06,430 There's a few options with publishing academically, but those have some pros and cons in terms 101 00:10:06,430 --> 00:10:10,450 of how rigorous they are and who can be on the paper. 102 00:10:10,650 --> 00:10:16,750 And we really want to keep a version that's pretty cohesive that has all of us on their 103 00:10:16,750 --> 00:10:23,010 commissioners, researchers and HMHI operations team, and so we're looking, we're kind of leaning 104 00:10:23,010 --> 00:10:31,510 towards more of a non-academic publishing at this point, but that's kind of a quick history 105 00:10:31,510 --> 00:10:35,750 of the white paper, and Barbara, I know you've been along for the right since the beginning, 106 00:10:35,750 --> 00:10:40,470 so if you want to add anything to that and kind of help guide the commission, I would really appreciate that. 107 00:10:41,370 --> 00:10:52,970 Yeah, it was I guess a very long project and Missy Larson was part of that project and then Natalie 108 00:10:52,970 --> 00:10:59,010 Borin out of the Attorney General's office really took the lead on making sure that all of the 109 00:10:59,010 --> 00:11:05,050 details were included but the purpose of the paper really was just if another state was looking at 110 00:11:05,750 --> 00:11:12,010 doing something like this, this includes how we did it, but also lessons that we learned 111 00:11:12,010 --> 00:11:20,930 along the way, right? So we were very blunt, I think. We were very forward with, hey, we 112 00:11:20,930 --> 00:11:26,770 took a misstep here, and this is how you can avoid making that same mistake. And so as you 113 00:11:26,770 --> 00:11:31,710 read through it as commissioners, I hope you'll take that opportunity to look at those things and say, 114 00:11:31,710 --> 00:11:43,250 Oh, yeah, we tried that already. That didn't work, but it's I think it's I think it's a great paper. I appreciate them on taking the lead on making sure that it got finished. 115 00:11:44,130 --> 00:11:50,450 And if anybody has questions about how it's structured, I'm happy to answer them. 116 00:11:54,180 --> 00:12:02,400 Yeah, and in terms of timeline, I mean, I would really like Aaron to have it back a quick turnaround. 117 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:29,860 around. But if I so I'm not sure how deeply folks would want to read it or have want to have say on it. So if we could maybe say like within the first two weeks, if I could get maybe some really good solid feedback. And if I don't hear anything big by this time next month for commission, I would consider that it's approved and ready to move forward. 118 00:12:32,460 --> 00:12:37,420 Where is it? I was just trying to look for it on my email and it wasn't attached to the. 119 00:12:38,460 --> 00:12:43,540 I will email it to you all after this. I wanted to mention it first and then send it to you. 120 00:12:43,940 --> 00:12:45,260 Perfect. Thank you. 121 00:12:48,500 --> 00:12:50,660 Emma, could I get a copy of that as well? 122 00:12:51,500 --> 00:12:51,720 Mm-hmm. 123 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:52,680 Okay. 124 00:12:53,060 --> 00:12:55,840 Is it something that we can share with our parents group? 125 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,080 I think reading a history of it. 126 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:05,240 I think anytime you read histories of anything and learn like what Barbara said learn what mistakes were made like we've already done that 127 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,240 I think that is so helpful moving forward 128 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:09,860 Yeah, yeah, I think 129 00:13:10,820 --> 00:13:13,780 We could maybe think through sharing it with the parents group 130 00:13:13,780 --> 00:13:16,820 I'd kind of like to have a a solid agreed on 131 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,420 Version that's published before we share it outside of the Commission 132 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,240 So that's that's my initial thought 133 00:13:25,260 --> 00:13:30,920 I was thinking the same thing is that after it's agreed upon, but before it's published, 134 00:13:31,060 --> 00:13:36,500 so they feel special, okay, so they feel a little bit like the inside, they've got something 135 00:13:36,500 --> 00:13:36,900 going on. 136 00:13:37,580 --> 00:13:40,580 So yeah, that's it, but yeah, but I would love to read that right away. 137 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:41,960 I'll send it to you. 138 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:46,720 We could demo, we could talk about embargo language, it's pretty easy to stick an embargo 139 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:52,540 on it that is pretty universally recognized as don't give this to anybody, any of the things. 140 00:13:53,220 --> 00:13:53,440 Perfect. 141 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:54,920 I can talk about that offline if we, 142 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:56,620 let's leave it with the commission for now. 143 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:58,840 And then we can, yeah, if we can, 144 00:13:58,900 --> 00:13:59,560 when we get to that point, 145 00:13:59,580 --> 00:14:00,320 we've got an approved copy. 146 00:14:00,540 --> 00:14:02,380 We can embargo it and send it to some other folks 147 00:14:02,380 --> 00:14:04,640 that may want to read it before it goes out. 148 00:14:04,940 --> 00:14:06,400 We could also look if you're interested 149 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:08,060 and we can talk through this separately. 150 00:14:08,340 --> 00:14:11,180 But if HMHI, the FUT and the commission are interested, 151 00:14:11,220 --> 00:14:13,200 we could also talk about doing a press release on it 152 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,120 and kind of doing like a launch with it 153 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:17,300 that gets some press. 154 00:14:17,500 --> 00:14:19,700 But also we can send it to, you know, 155 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:20,880 some of, we can talk with, 156 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:26,900 Representative Elyssan and Senator Baldrary about sending it out through NCSL or CSG West or 157 00:14:26,900 --> 00:14:33,120 Alec or any of the 9000 legislative bodies, right? We can talk through kind of what that 158 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:37,440 distribution looks like. Okay. Yeah, we are interested in that. So I'll reach out to you. 159 00:14:37,980 --> 00:14:42,680 Okay. Perfect. We can sidebar anyone that wants to participate in that. Just shoot me a message 160 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:47,360 or just put in a chat and Brittany, if you'll write down those names, we can talk about what a 161 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:48,880 distribution can look like for that. 162 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:50,560 Okay. 163 00:14:54,100 --> 00:14:58,960 I'll probably send it to Brittany and then since she has a distribution list and then everything 164 00:14:58,960 --> 00:14:59,840 can come from her. 165 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:19,600 From there on. Today's kind of my work day, so today would be great. You're like, let's get it today. Okay, all my other day today. And then next week, I'm out of town. So, yeah, be great if I got it today. I'd have time to read it. Perfect. For me, giving us a thumbs up. So I think we'll be good to at least get that distributed today. 166 00:15:21,700 --> 00:15:29,780 Okay, let's move on. Then's giving down to school safety center update. Do we have anyone online that wants to provide 167 00:15:29,780 --> 00:15:41,020 that? Yeah, I can provide that information. Hi, as far as school safety center and prevention, 168 00:15:41,500 --> 00:15:48,160 we just want to let you all know, we are updating the school safety playbook. Levi, actually, 169 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:53,800 who is on here has been kind of spearheading that work, but that will have all of the new requirements 170 00:15:53,800 --> 00:16:01,700 for school safety, security, and specialists and directors of all the requirements for this legislative session. 171 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:07,460 And then I think that's really kind of our biggest update right now. 172 00:16:07,580 --> 00:16:11,560 We do have a prevention webinar series going around. 173 00:16:12,060 --> 00:16:16,200 It's a monthly webinar series focusing on all aspects of prevention. 174 00:16:16,380 --> 00:16:17,720 Anyone is welcome to attend. 175 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:22,720 And yeah, leave. I don't know if you have anything else to add. 176 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:35,400 Just add to that with the the playbook. We're also updating the emergency preparedness planning guide for LEAs. I'm also the lead on that and that does have a big component like recovery. 177 00:16:36,940 --> 00:16:42,680 And mental health components on that as well. Well, that should be available. Hopefully end of this year. 178 00:16:44,500 --> 00:16:51,840 Excellent. Is there anything that you guys need from the commission to support you in this or anything like that? 179 00:16:52,720 --> 00:17:11,880 Nothing from the commission. We did just want you to let you guys know when I've spoken a lot with DAMA about this, but we are pushing safe UT in all of our different trainings as resources as marketing material. So if there's ever anything that you guys all would like our schools to know please feel free to forward it to us. 180 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,460 we have a monthly newsletter, both of our teams do. 181 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,900 Mine and Levi's, we have various listservs, 182 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,420 whether that's a suicide prevention listserv, 183 00:17:20,660 --> 00:17:22,540 or a school safety director's listserv, 184 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,340 all the different counselors, nurses, you name it. 185 00:17:26,360 --> 00:17:28,440 So yeah, if there's anything you guys ever need 186 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,300 for the schools to know, we're happy 187 00:17:30,300 --> 00:17:32,460 to send that information out for you all. 188 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:37,480 Michelle, I'm wondering if do you have a school secretaries 189 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,780 or whatever administrative assistant listserv 190 00:17:40,780 --> 00:17:49,360 because I think it would be great if we could send a flyer to every school that says could you please 191 00:17:49,360 --> 00:17:55,580 print five of these and put them in prominent places where kids would see them. Because I think like in 192 00:17:55,580 --> 00:18:01,840 the back of their mind, kids might know what safety is, but I just think there's also making it visual 193 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:09,140 could really help. Yeah, absolutely. We could do that. If we could just, if Demmer or someone could send 194 00:18:09,140 --> 00:18:13,980 the flyer that you'd want. I'd be happy to do that for everyone. Is that something we could do? 195 00:18:14,120 --> 00:18:14,720 Don't I do you think? 196 00:18:17,550 --> 00:18:21,690 Yeah, I think we could just maybe work on that outside offline. Definitely. 197 00:18:25,740 --> 00:18:30,100 Excellent. Thank you. Some committee reports. Third party vendor. 198 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:37,940 We don't actually have anything from that. Excellent. We're going to be pillars of efficiency, 199 00:18:37,940 --> 00:18:42,500 you guys. This is going to be just... I'm trying to be every time I've got like a timer in my head 200 00:18:42,500 --> 00:18:45,500 to beat Barbara's time on how fast we can get through these meetings. So I'm gonna 201 00:18:45,500 --> 00:18:53,160 just keep it going. Effective and efficient. Okay data report. Yep, I can be super short. 202 00:18:54,160 --> 00:19:00,120 We had all of the requests for data that we had were things that would be available on the annual 203 00:19:00,120 --> 00:19:07,060 reports. We approved all of those requests. Excellent. Okay. The Parents Advisory Committee. 204 00:19:13,980 --> 00:19:16,560 I'm not being able to, there we go, I'm going to get out. 205 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:21,360 We have not had a meeting this summer and so we haven't had anything really to discuss, 206 00:19:21,620 --> 00:19:24,860 but we do have one in agenda that I just sent out today for September. 207 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:31,580 So the primary thing that I want to alert people to is that I've reached out to create a relationship 208 00:19:31,580 --> 00:19:36,440 with the PTA presidency if we can't get one of their crew to sit on our board or on our 209 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:36,700 committee. 210 00:19:40,140 --> 00:19:40,360 Awesome. 211 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:42,040 That seems like a great idea. 212 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:42,100 Yeah. 213 00:19:43,820 --> 00:19:44,420 Okay. 214 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:46,840 Let us know if there's anything you need from us. 215 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:50,660 Legislative update. 216 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:54,200 Senator Baldry, do you have anything for the good of the group? 217 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:55,340 I do. 218 00:19:56,560 --> 00:20:04,980 So I reached out to my legislative assistant to open an appropriation for the NGE safety 219 00:20:04,980 --> 00:20:10,740 UT ongoing funding. I am still waiting for an actual number. 220 00:20:16,380 --> 00:20:18,220 I will send that to you. Again, 221 00:20:18,300 --> 00:20:22,900 I'm sorry. I thought we got that to you. Or maybe you did. And that is highly possible. 222 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,620 Well, we did go through several iterations. So you might be right. I'll go back and check, 223 00:20:27,660 --> 00:20:32,080 but I'll send you that number. Okay. Great. And do you know off the top of your head what the number 224 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:38,900 is? I think it's going to be that 30,000. There might be a give or take a few, but I'll 225 00:20:38,900 --> 00:20:51,600 So you did land so you did land over 20,000 is the main thing just checking because yeah, that makes a difference if it's 20 or 20,000 dollars in one cent. So, yeah, perfect. Okay, great. 226 00:20:54,740 --> 00:21:03,100 Okay, just as like one point, so the legislative update side of this, when we do, as a commission, 227 00:21:03,420 --> 00:21:07,320 historically Rick has testified in committee and stuff when we need additional support 228 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,760 on the safety of T thing, along with partners, right? 229 00:21:10,360 --> 00:21:15,840 Our fundamental hall partners, if it's like an update on the policy stuff or legislative 230 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:20,040 partners, if it's an update on the funding and the administration, that is the one place 231 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,640 I may be relying on all of you a little bit more. I'm happy to prep you for committee. 232 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:29,860 I'm happy to do whatever we can, but depending on what else is going on, my life is kind of chaotic 233 00:21:29,860 --> 00:21:34,780 during those moments at this point. So just be aware that when we get to that point, when it comes 234 00:21:34,780 --> 00:21:38,840 to testifying, if that's something you have a particular interest in, it's something that you want 235 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:48,760 to get more experience in. We can talk through that as well. Otherwise, I'll just send Barbara 236 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,880 and pin them out all our hopes and dreams on her very capable hands. 237 00:21:52,100 --> 00:21:56,000 So if that's something else, you guys are all interested in, please let me know. 238 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,660 Okay, and then Steve requested item number eight on our agenda. 239 00:22:00,860 --> 00:22:04,760 He is not here, but I think that a demo and I can probably cover it a little bit. 240 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:10,580 So we have previously, I think, been in some conversations about the staffing qualifications 241 00:22:10,580 --> 00:22:14,220 for folks that's the mental health professionals that staff the state UT app. 242 00:22:14,220 --> 00:22:23,600 And then what those implant, like what the implications are on the budget for some of that stuff because our was part of our ongoing budget conversations, Dema, do you want to? 243 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:26,180 I'll take it away from here. 244 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:34,180 Yeah, so we have historically always hired master's level counselors on safety team. 245 00:22:36,180 --> 00:22:42,320 And we've, you know, just always marketed that way and it's been wonderful. It's really good standard of care. 246 00:22:43,540 --> 00:22:48,880 One of the things I want to say kind of to point out is that we don't do therapy. 247 00:22:49,300 --> 00:22:55,260 A lot of people get confused about that, but we just, we have hired therapists, but they're not performing therapy. 248 00:22:55,540 --> 00:22:59,120 They're performing what's called crisis intervention, so they're not giving diagnoses. 249 00:22:59,780 --> 00:23:04,200 They're not getting into any deep trauma or anything like that. 250 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:13,700 So it kind of be like, you know, having a doctor doing something that's maybe not requiring 251 00:23:13,700 --> 00:23:16,800 the full licensure, but something that they're very capable of doing. 252 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:28,380 So we also at the U have some really wonderful market rate adjustments for salaries. 253 00:23:28,380 --> 00:23:53,560 And in the past few years with inflation and those adjustments have noticed just that the cost has gone up to have that level of licensure and it's been a conversation for our budget as we're just trying to be really aware and mindful of taxpayer dollars and the services that are being received. 254 00:23:53,560 --> 00:24:20,840 I have started to look at and ask the question if do we need all master's level counselors or could we have a mix of folks that are at a bachelor's level either social service worker or crisis worker who are the folks to answer like the crisis line the 98 line so kind of that level of ability and skill set in my center. 255 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:35,300 And so, I've talked to a few of you about this, just tossing out out there to see what the appetite was for it and what you thought our community and our parents and users would think. 256 00:24:36,140 --> 00:24:44,380 And it doesn't seem like it's totally unreasonable from what I've talked to people about. 257 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:51,620 And it would be kind of an interesting thing depending on which route we go. 258 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:59,640 So if we went, say, the route of get the same people who answer the crisis line in 988, 259 00:24:59,740 --> 00:25:03,900 there would have to be, I don't know if it would be an actual code change, 260 00:25:04,020 --> 00:25:11,580 but we'd have to add safety to the list of services that certify crisis workers can provide in the state. 261 00:25:11,580 --> 00:25:14,600 So, to me, that sounds like that's some extra work. 262 00:25:15,460 --> 00:25:21,900 If we got, say, a social service worker, there is really nowhere that anyone could see 263 00:25:21,900 --> 00:25:28,820 that post-a-problem or a required additional paperwork or anything like that. 264 00:25:31,380 --> 00:25:37,680 The pros and cons with that, the social service worker is that's not really, there's not 265 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:48,680 lot of folks getting that degree in that licensure. My vote and my desire would be to have a certified 266 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:53,740 crisis worker because those are the folks that do the crisis line and we're in the same department 267 00:25:53,740 --> 00:26:01,720 and so we could easily switch back and forth if say somebody called out sick one day you know we could 268 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:09,420 easily interchange staffing. But I realized that that might require some extra work. I'll stop there. 269 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:18,380 Barbara, you have your hand up. Yeah, we've talked this through probably the last three years, 270 00:26:18,860 --> 00:26:25,300 maybe about that. And I just want to remind especially new commission members that this isn't a little 271 00:26:25,300 --> 00:26:32,800 change. This is we would literally be changing what we have marketed, what we've told parents, 272 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:40,220 what we've told the school board, what we've told the legislature. So if we want to go 273 00:26:40,220 --> 00:26:47,060 this direction, I think it makes sense to do some study around it before we make a final 274 00:26:47,060 --> 00:26:53,400 decision, but it's not a little change. It's a significant change because right now when 275 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,840 When we're talking with parents, or when we're talking with teachers, we're telling them 276 00:26:58,170 --> 00:27:01,460 that it's a master's level clinician who will be handling this. 277 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:07,940 And that's one of the ways that we were able to convince all of the schools to get on board 278 00:27:07,940 --> 00:27:08,400 with us. 279 00:27:09,100 --> 00:27:17,770 So it's, again, I would advocate that we study what the requirements would be for each of 280 00:27:17,770 --> 00:27:19,430 the different options that exist, 281 00:27:20,170 --> 00:27:23,350 and then come back with that conversation. 282 00:27:24,590 --> 00:27:26,210 Thanks for saying that, Barbara. 283 00:27:26,610 --> 00:27:29,910 That made me realize I should say the plan isn't 284 00:27:29,910 --> 00:27:32,810 to fully switch like the entire team. 285 00:27:33,230 --> 00:27:37,470 It would just be integrating a couple of new positions 286 00:27:37,470 --> 00:27:38,870 to be in that light center. 287 00:27:39,790 --> 00:27:42,990 Yeah, but right now, if I'm talking to a parent, 288 00:27:42,990 --> 00:27:46,070 I can say it is a master's level clinician, 289 00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:50,390 and if we do make a change, then I have to say it might be. 290 00:27:51,470 --> 00:27:52,170 Could be. 291 00:27:53,270 --> 00:27:58,210 Yeah, I agree. I wanted to add that to in case that question came up. 292 00:28:00,830 --> 00:28:01,310 Michael? 293 00:28:04,330 --> 00:28:07,170 Yeah, I have three points on this. 294 00:28:08,610 --> 00:28:10,630 And I'll be as concise as possible. 295 00:28:11,490 --> 00:28:13,610 Just so that I can understand what you're saying, 296 00:28:14,150 --> 00:28:18,010 Dema, about the lift part of this that you mentioned a couple of times, 297 00:28:18,010 --> 00:28:28,070 Is the lift part of this more of the transition, meaning after this transition happens that 298 00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:34,130 ongoing additional work isn't there, the work is the transition, is that right? 299 00:28:36,790 --> 00:28:38,470 Can you say more about what you mean? 300 00:28:39,250 --> 00:28:40,770 I think that's really fast. 301 00:28:40,950 --> 00:28:42,750 I think she was referring to a legislative change. 302 00:28:42,750 --> 00:28:56,310 There's like a in order to go that path you have to we would have to run a bill and change the code. I think that's where the yeah, thanks like the additional work is yeah, okay, it's not that that some like a different kind of training. 303 00:28:57,510 --> 00:28:59,430 Oh, no, yeah, thank you. 304 00:28:59,430 --> 00:29:00,270 I misunderstood that. 305 00:29:01,290 --> 00:29:03,310 All right, and my second point is that, 306 00:29:03,650 --> 00:29:05,450 I don't remember when, but I do believe 307 00:29:05,450 --> 00:29:07,330 that 98-8 experience is similar. 308 00:29:07,770 --> 00:29:09,870 Find of change. 309 00:29:10,510 --> 00:29:12,250 And there's been several years, 310 00:29:12,430 --> 00:29:15,150 and if I have any of those facts wrong, please correct me. 311 00:29:16,270 --> 00:29:19,890 But if that's true, has there been any evaluation research 312 00:29:19,890 --> 00:29:23,750 on 98-8's transition from master's level clinicians 313 00:29:23,750 --> 00:29:30,170 to individuals who have some other licensure, 314 00:29:30,690 --> 00:29:35,970 like a CSW or a BSW with crisis credentials. 315 00:29:37,670 --> 00:29:39,950 I can ask my director, Rebecca, 316 00:29:39,950 --> 00:29:42,350 she's over the 98th program. 317 00:29:42,530 --> 00:29:43,990 I think that's a really good point, Michael. 318 00:29:45,050 --> 00:29:45,970 I just think, you know, if this, 319 00:29:47,110 --> 00:29:49,750 I'm not saying we shouldn't do a barbarous suggesting 320 00:29:49,750 --> 00:29:52,830 in terms of researching this, 321 00:29:52,830 --> 00:29:59,910 But I think if the wheel has already been created, perhaps we can go into this eyes wide open knowing what some of the 322 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:29,840 Pros and cons are, I think on that point, you know, flexibility and staffing is huge. And any time you create a role that does just one thing, you really box yourself in. And I think that that that could potentially provide some flexibility for you all that could benefit your overall program. And lastly, I just wanted to comment on our experience at the Office of the Medical Examiner with BSW students who call families. 323 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:36,480 the day that we do an exam. We started doing this in January of 2026 and, you know, yes, 324 00:30:36,780 --> 00:30:40,920 with the right training. It requires the right training and without that training, it doesn't work, 325 00:30:41,180 --> 00:30:51,640 but we've had tremendous success with it. And so I understand Barbara's points, but for us, 326 00:30:51,640 --> 00:31:00,980 it has worked well. And because we're not deploying any therapeutic interventions, it wouldn't 327 00:31:00,980 --> 00:31:08,640 make sense for us to have a clinical social, a licensed clinical social worker or somebody 328 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:18,460 with that high level of a license. We also couldn't afford it. And so, you know, that's just 329 00:31:18,460 --> 00:31:26,800 a thought if safety is not deploying interventions, then what are the real, what are we really getting 330 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:33,280 from somebody with a license versus an LCSW master level clinician versus someone who doesn't? 331 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:34,720 Just my two cents. 332 00:31:39,980 --> 00:31:45,740 Excellent. Thank you, Katie. Hi, everyone. I know some of you, not all of you, 333 00:31:45,860 --> 00:31:51,900 just to introduce myself, Katie Massey with Utah System of Higher Education. I am not typically 334 00:31:51,900 --> 00:31:54,820 the commissioners does ignite on this body, that's Cassidy, 335 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,220 Dragonit, but she's out on maternity leave. 336 00:31:57,420 --> 00:32:00,380 So filling in, Demo was kind enough to reach out 337 00:32:00,380 --> 00:32:02,380 and just get our ideas on this. 338 00:32:02,580 --> 00:32:03,460 And one of the things I said was, 339 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,100 I think this needs to be a broader conversation 340 00:32:05,100 --> 00:32:06,040 with the full commission. 341 00:32:06,100 --> 00:32:09,060 So I really appreciate y'all putting it on the agenda today. 342 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:10,380 Couple thoughts. 343 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,240 One, I'm gonna go out on the limb and using an analogy. 344 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,260 And I will just say from the start, 345 00:32:15,700 --> 00:32:17,800 I recognize this is not the same thing 346 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,560 as having a mental health crisis. 347 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:33,580 But I think there is precedence for this sort of framework or structure in broader healthcare and providing perspective. So I think about like if I break my arm today and I am in crisis. I need immediate support. 348 00:32:33,780 --> 00:32:44,600 I'm going to go to urgent care or an ER and I might not see an MD, right? I might see a nurse practitioner. I might see somebody who's in family practice, but has a PA license, right? 349 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,120 But what's important to me in that moment and going back to to Dema's 350 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,200 analogy or a point that this is not 351 00:32:51,900 --> 00:32:58,400 counseling, right? This is crisis intervention and support. The important thing is that person that I see whether it's an EMT or a PA or whatever, 352 00:32:58,580 --> 00:33:03,780 you know, even if they're not in MD, they have the knowledge skills abilities and training to be able to help me in that moment. 353 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,780 And then I realize like they're not going to be the one that does my surgery. 354 00:33:07,020 --> 00:33:13,300 They're not going to be the one who does my physical therapy. There's a whole plethora and sweet of options of professionals who give me 355 00:33:13,300 --> 00:33:16,820 not support down the road, but in that moment, I got the support I needed from somebody 356 00:33:16,820 --> 00:33:19,100 who was confident in being able to address those things. 357 00:33:19,660 --> 00:33:20,820 I think that's analogous here. 358 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:25,420 So what we had shared with Dhamma from the higher ed perspective is, I recognize that 359 00:33:25,420 --> 00:33:27,580 it is like a really hard balance to strike. 360 00:33:27,740 --> 00:33:33,480 Like, do we have somebody who is trained skilled, educated enough to provide that quality 361 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,920 of service, but also make sure that we can reach the staffing levels to be able to respond 362 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,800 in the timely manner that everyone expects of safe UT, and that's not an easy thing 363 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:47,480 to do, so recognizing DEMA and HMHI's hard work there, usually I think would be fine with this 364 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,400 as long as going back to that analogy. These folks have the knowledge skills abilities, 365 00:33:51,580 --> 00:33:55,440 experience, competence, and training to be able to handle this. I think it's a shift that we're 366 00:33:55,440 --> 00:34:00,080 comfortable with as long as they're giving that level of care that's expected in this field. 367 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:04,820 But I also want to recognize what Barbara said is true, right? Like this is a departure 368 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:10,800 from how we've done this in the past. So I think you could find a way to do this, but you would 369 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:16,000 to Barbara's point need to be thinking about like your marketing and communications broader strategy 370 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,460 and be really deliberate in how you're talking about this with the communities that care about 371 00:34:20,460 --> 00:34:24,760 and rely on in our stakeholders and safety team. So those are my two cents from the higher education 372 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:25,140 perspective. 373 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:35,100 Excellent. Thank you. Anne? Yeah. I think my perspective is pretty close to what 374 00:34:35,100 --> 00:34:39,860 Katie and Michael said, but the thing the thing I wanted to understand is what do these positions 375 00:34:39,860 --> 00:34:48,520 do exactly. So what I think they do is they answer the crisis call and they have a protocol that 376 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:55,320 they go through and they, depending on what the calls about, there's a training, there's a protocol 377 00:34:55,320 --> 00:35:03,420 that they're going to go through. Am I safe in assuming that? That's right. So, you know, I see a 378 00:35:03,420 --> 00:35:09,400 bigger problem out in the world, which is we have a real lack of people that can help 379 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,680 all of the mental health struggles that we have in the world. 380 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:16,420 And if we're using master's-level people to answer a phone and to go through a protocol 381 00:35:16,420 --> 00:35:21,040 that we've put in front of them, we're really taking talent off the streets that can be helping 382 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:21,520 others. 383 00:35:22,460 --> 00:35:30,400 I mean, I really think that this type of a position is wasting the talent of somebody who 384 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:39,960 is a master's level provider and and I you know I would rather see this be you 385 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:45,920 know I mean to be able I think the marketing could very easily change from 386 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:53,060 master's level to trained professional and and nobody would blink their eye at 387 00:35:53,060 --> 00:35:58,860 that and and then we're not again wasting the talent of somebody who could who 388 00:35:58,860 --> 00:36:06,340 could do clinical work with someone who is really in need at a moment instead of you know it's kind 389 00:36:06,340 --> 00:36:11,700 of it's kind of why this whole system that Katie that Katie laid out there's not enough orthopedic 390 00:36:11,700 --> 00:36:17,580 surgeons to be taking the X-ray right so the medical industry has gone in and said we're gonna have 391 00:36:17,580 --> 00:36:21,780 people do these little chunks and save the professionals for when we really need the professionals and I 392 00:36:21,780 --> 00:36:24,900 kind of think that's that's where a master's level person is. 393 00:36:30,030 --> 00:36:33,230 Excellent thank you. Okay if 394 00:36:33,230 --> 00:36:36,070 I also can just take the chair's perspective 395 00:36:36,610 --> 00:36:37,390 for just a second. 396 00:36:37,930 --> 00:36:40,210 I think this is a really good conversation to have, right? 397 00:36:40,330 --> 00:36:43,110 I think that the borough is right, 398 00:36:43,250 --> 00:36:44,470 and I'll be honest, I had not thought 399 00:36:44,470 --> 00:36:46,270 about the marketing implications of this 400 00:36:46,270 --> 00:36:47,830 when we had first had this conversation. 401 00:36:48,050 --> 00:36:52,530 And I do think those are worth having a conversation about. 402 00:36:53,150 --> 00:36:55,650 I do think though that it is worth keeping in mind 403 00:36:55,650 --> 00:36:58,990 that we've had a decade of safety to you 404 00:36:58,990 --> 00:37:00,710 doing the incredible work that it's done, right? 405 00:37:00,710 --> 00:37:04,970 And so I think that maybe this conversation would have been harder to have with parents, 406 00:37:05,050 --> 00:37:09,630 it would have been harder to have like the team six years ago, five years ago, three years ago, 407 00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:19,210 versus the 10 years of excellent that we have now. I think that I would maybe ask if we could just 408 00:37:19,210 --> 00:37:25,530 get Dema for next time, like an outline of like the different options and maybe some pros and cons. 409 00:37:25,530 --> 00:37:36,370 And then I would also be interested if can we get someone from 988 to Michael's point to come just talk through some of the the pros and cons of that kind of a thing. I think it's those things are worth. 410 00:37:38,470 --> 00:37:50,430 Just making sure that we have a full picture before we make this come like this decision. I do think that I find myself inclined to support this. However, I think that the most important thing is getting people to help that they need in the moment that they need it. 411 00:37:50,430 --> 00:37:52,150 And I think if we're running into staffing challenges, 412 00:37:52,450 --> 00:37:53,710 or running into budgetary challenges, 413 00:37:54,410 --> 00:37:56,450 I would rather figure out how we can adjust 414 00:37:56,450 --> 00:37:58,750 and how we can work with our marketing teams to explain 415 00:37:58,750 --> 00:38:01,150 and how we can tackle that on the other hand, 416 00:38:01,150 --> 00:38:03,070 rather than run into a situation at any point 417 00:38:03,070 --> 00:38:04,690 where someone doesn't have the access 418 00:38:04,690 --> 00:38:05,830 to the resources that they need. 419 00:38:06,210 --> 00:38:07,850 So that's kind of where I come down on it. 420 00:38:07,970 --> 00:38:10,110 I do think it's worth maybe we get a little, 421 00:38:10,110 --> 00:38:13,470 have a little broader presentation on this next month 422 00:38:13,470 --> 00:38:17,270 if that's something that Dema and Hurtin can support. 423 00:38:17,590 --> 00:38:17,890 Does that work? 424 00:38:18,930 --> 00:38:26,270 That's perfect. Excellent. Okay. Then with that, let's go ahead and shift into the round table. 425 00:38:26,890 --> 00:38:31,250 I'm going to go ahead and start with Barbara because I know she has the bit on letters that 426 00:38:31,250 --> 00:38:35,530 we'll talk through. And then from there, I'll just call out your names kind of as we go around 427 00:38:35,530 --> 00:38:41,470 as you appear on my screen. So Barbara, can we start with you? Yeah, I just, as we talked about last 428 00:38:41,470 --> 00:38:48,450 last month we need to have a standard process by which we determine if the commission is 429 00:38:48,450 --> 00:38:54,610 doing a lot of support and the data subcommittee is not the correct place for that decision. 430 00:38:55,070 --> 00:39:02,970 That's not what our purpose is and so we need to make that decision and it would be helpful 431 00:39:02,970 --> 00:39:13,810 if those of you who are on the commission who answer to the governor could weigh in on whether 432 00:39:14,470 --> 00:39:19,270 you are able to put your name on that letter or not because for me I can do whatever I want. 433 00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:26,010 I don't answer to someone above me. I'm on specifically as a member of the public so I can do what I 434 00:39:26,010 --> 00:39:31,650 would like to do there. But those of you who are on who represent the Board of Education or those of 435 00:39:31,650 --> 00:39:40,250 you who are on who represent UCI or health and human services, we have to be able to recognize 436 00:39:40,250 --> 00:39:46,830 that there will be individuals who will come to us and ask for letters of support and 437 00:39:46,830 --> 00:39:49,370 we need a standard process by which we handle that. 438 00:39:49,890 --> 00:39:52,530 And that's really what the conversation is supposed to be around. 439 00:39:57,230 --> 00:40:03,970 I am not, I do not serve the pleasure of the governor so he is a boss, he's not my boss. 440 00:40:03,970 --> 00:40:13,510 So keep that in mind as I say this, I do think that there is a difference and I think that deciding this first will kind of maybe shape the rest of his conversation. 441 00:40:14,110 --> 00:40:28,470 Would we be signing that as individual commissioners of safety or would we be signing those letters as the safety commission because I think that there is some dispersion of responsibility if we sign it as a commission versus if we. 442 00:40:28,470 --> 00:40:30,930 the undersigned of the safety commission. 443 00:40:31,450 --> 00:40:33,530 So and so Aaron win representing the Utah Office 444 00:40:33,530 --> 00:40:34,290 of the Attorney General, right? 445 00:40:34,490 --> 00:40:36,250 That is different than if it's like 446 00:40:36,670 --> 00:40:38,030 from the the safety commission. 447 00:40:38,750 --> 00:40:40,950 If it is from the safety commission at that point, 448 00:40:40,950 --> 00:40:45,450 I would say, that is where I would lean forward. 449 00:40:45,870 --> 00:40:47,010 And if that is the case, 450 00:40:47,010 --> 00:40:49,170 I would say we could just put the chair signature on it. 451 00:40:49,730 --> 00:40:51,770 Whoever, whether that's me or the next chair, 452 00:40:51,910 --> 00:40:54,590 and then the chair representing the safety commission 453 00:40:54,590 --> 00:40:57,330 and then the signature on it would be mine at this point. 454 00:40:57,330 --> 00:41:13,690 So, so what we have done in the past, so we have only to the best of my remembrance, we have only ever signed one letter and it was a letter of support for for our own appropriation. 455 00:41:13,690 --> 00:41:19,630 So, that is literally the only letter of support that the safety commission has done. 456 00:41:20,670 --> 00:41:28,010 And there were several people on the commission at the time that said, hey, because this is 457 00:41:28,010 --> 00:41:33,270 different than the governor's requested budget, we can't be part of that letter. 458 00:41:33,470 --> 00:41:36,610 We can't come from the commission as a whole. 459 00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:39,710 So we would have to be refused from that list. 460 00:41:39,710 --> 00:41:46,730 So that's why I want to have kind of a standard, here's the process we go through. 461 00:41:48,990 --> 00:41:55,470 I don't care how it rolls out, right, I mean, I care, but it's not a thing to me which direction 462 00:41:55,470 --> 00:41:55,890 we go. 463 00:41:56,510 --> 00:42:02,050 I just, again, like with the data requests, I'd like there to be a process that we follow 464 00:42:02,050 --> 00:42:06,890 so that people don't feel like, oh, well, you signed a letter for Person A, but you wouldn't 465 00:42:06,890 --> 00:42:08,010 sign it for Person B. 466 00:42:08,010 --> 00:42:14,510 We can always go back to a standard operating procedure and say here's how the decision was made and 467 00:42:15,290 --> 00:42:17,830 that one letter that we did send 468 00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:25,970 was signed by the chair and by the two members of the legislature and not the commission as a whole. 469 00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:34,690 I think that we're going to have to have some stuff customize all so I was thinking like a letter the letter I was thinking was like a letter to a group 470 00:42:34,690 --> 00:43:04,670 like 98 right that we would support as the commission but maybe you she maybe Jeff Langward is like being a tyrant and is like not we're not like letting people sign these he is a nice and I don't think you would ever be a tyrant no I really like like victim as your example it's to be clear if you can tell it's because I saw him like two days ago you can tell him that I said that he was maybe a tyrant on this call um a fiscal note right that one's different because then you're getting if you're getting into a fiscal thing then you're getting into a fiscal 471 00:43:04,670 --> 00:43:11,550 like that everyone who reports up to the governor has to support the governor's budget, that 472 00:43:11,550 --> 00:43:14,710 is like a like sacred, that's the sacred cow over there. 473 00:43:15,550 --> 00:43:15,590 Right. 474 00:43:16,230 --> 00:43:17,850 So I think that that one is a little bit different. 475 00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:23,950 So I would say, I think the prop, I think that we should make sure that there's this flexibility 476 00:43:23,950 --> 00:43:24,450 in the process. 477 00:43:25,010 --> 00:43:29,190 So maybe what I would propose is if we get those requests, if anyone on this commission gets 478 00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:34,450 those requests, they get sent to Brittany and I or whoever's staff and whoever's the chair. 479 00:43:34,930 --> 00:43:36,910 We can kind of look at the whole system. 480 00:43:37,110 --> 00:43:39,110 Okay, is this something that is part of an organization? 481 00:43:39,450 --> 00:43:41,050 Are there things like political ramifications, 482 00:43:41,170 --> 00:43:42,070 like in the budget process? 483 00:43:42,570 --> 00:43:44,970 And then we can do the research on the group. 484 00:43:45,270 --> 00:43:46,370 We then bring it to the full commission. 485 00:43:46,690 --> 00:43:47,850 We have received this request 486 00:43:48,970 --> 00:43:50,870 and then make the full commission vote on it. 487 00:43:51,230 --> 00:43:53,290 That what that does is give some flexibility. 488 00:43:53,290 --> 00:43:55,110 So if it is our budget request, 489 00:43:55,110 --> 00:43:57,190 if when Senator Baldrary runs this, 490 00:43:57,210 --> 00:43:58,190 we've sent out a letter. 491 00:43:58,890 --> 00:44:00,650 All of the people that report up to the governor 492 00:44:01,230 --> 00:44:03,930 can recuse themselves from the vote. 493 00:44:03,930 --> 00:44:09,870 And then we can always point even if it gets signed by the go or the chair and the two legislators. 494 00:44:09,870 --> 00:44:12,870 We can always point to the minutes and say they recuse themselves from the vote. 495 00:44:13,030 --> 00:44:15,070 This was not they did not vote in support of this. 496 00:44:15,570 --> 00:44:21,030 That might give us the structure that we need with the flexibility to tackle these individually thought concerns. 497 00:44:21,030 --> 00:44:22,690 Does anyone hate my idea? 498 00:44:22,930 --> 00:44:24,210 You can't offend me. I'm very hard to offend. 499 00:44:24,430 --> 00:44:25,850 So does anyone hate that idea? 500 00:44:26,530 --> 00:44:39,350 No, my only concern would be that the letters that brought this to the forefront of the conversation were in support of individuals who were writing grants to the federal government. 501 00:44:40,390 --> 00:44:43,030 So we need to consider that as well. 502 00:44:44,230 --> 00:44:45,930 Yeah, that's a really good point. 503 00:44:46,090 --> 00:44:49,890 And I think that gives us a better process. 504 00:44:50,170 --> 00:44:52,130 We'll commit from our side to the staff side. 505 00:44:52,650 --> 00:44:53,330 We'll do the research. 506 00:44:53,330 --> 00:44:55,350 We'll kind of put into the yes, no things. 507 00:44:55,350 --> 00:44:57,070 We'll present it neutrally to the commission. 508 00:44:57,070 --> 00:44:59,850 And then you guys can vote independently if you're all comfortable. 509 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:09,660 With that. I love that plan. I think that's great. Okay. Any objections to that? Seeing none, 510 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:23,460 um, Barbara, do you have anything else for as part of the rounding table? Okay, and then I'm just going to run through the list really quick and brown. Yeah, no, I'm good. Thanks. Okay. Um, Levi, anything else? 511 00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,140 No, I don't have anything else. Okay, demo. 512 00:45:31,340 --> 00:45:36,760 Just for Senator Baldry, I emailed you the funding number to look at. 513 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,620 I see it right there. Thank you. 514 00:45:40,300 --> 00:45:41,160 Thanks. That's all I have. 515 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:43,300 Excellent. Dr. Staley. 516 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:53,420 Yeah, thanks. Just a heads up that the Utah Youth Suicide Research Project report is going to be released on August 31st. 517 00:45:53,420 --> 00:46:00,720 last. It's been a long time coming. We learned a little bit maybe a lot about how to do research 518 00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:05,880 or at least what not to ask about in terms of safety tea and crisis line utilization among 519 00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:10,520 youth who died by suicide. I think the bottom line is that the opt-in times just don't know 520 00:46:11,100 --> 00:46:20,540 and to that end we're working with HMHI in 988 to do a terminal outcomes kind of evaluation research 521 00:46:20,540 --> 00:46:26,700 project right now as well. I can talk more about that in the future. But anyway, that report 522 00:46:26,700 --> 00:46:31,740 comes out. It's got a lot of information about youth who died by suicide between 2016 523 00:46:31,740 --> 00:46:40,320 and 2019, and we're rebooting that and doing this second generation of that report any 524 00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:47,260 day now. We're waiting back for an IRB green light, and then we are ready to go. And then 525 00:46:47,260 --> 00:46:53,780 And also the Utah Suicide Prevention Committee and Coalition is in the process of finalizing 526 00:46:53,780 --> 00:46:57,280 their five-year plan, 2026 to 2031. 527 00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:07,960 It does have some language about crisis line utilization and promotion and that kind 528 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:08,380 of stuff. 529 00:47:08,580 --> 00:47:09,220 So look for that. 530 00:47:09,460 --> 00:47:12,820 I think that gets released in mid-September in Suicide Prevention Month. 531 00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:31,260 and then also 988 and 988 is having a press release. I don't know all the details, but on September 16th at the Capitol, I don't know if Dema knows about that, I could speak more to that. 532 00:47:32,420 --> 00:47:34,580 Sorry to put you on the spot Dema, if you don't. 533 00:47:36,220 --> 00:47:38,980 I didn't catch for which part. 534 00:47:39,980 --> 00:47:44,860 Oh, yes, the press event on September 16th related to 98. 535 00:47:45,900 --> 00:47:49,780 No, I can ask Rebecca about that and give back to you guys. 536 00:47:50,460 --> 00:47:50,740 All right. 537 00:47:51,300 --> 00:47:53,180 And I think that covers what I've got. 538 00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,940 Excellent. Any of those reports that come out, 539 00:47:56,940 --> 00:47:58,360 we will be on the lookout for them, 540 00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,100 but can you just send them to Brittany or myself 541 00:48:01,100 --> 00:48:03,400 and we'll make sure that the whole commission gets access to them 542 00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,240 so that people don't have to go look for them independently. 543 00:48:06,820 --> 00:48:07,080 Sure. 544 00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:10,360 Yeah, awesome. Thank you. Okay. Laura Warburg. 545 00:48:11,940 --> 00:48:17,540 Nothing. Okay. Michelle. Nothing for me. Thanks. Okay. Katie. 546 00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:22,640 No, thanks Aaron. Excellent. Ashley. Nothing. Thank you. 547 00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:30,060 Senator Baldry. I'm good. Thanks. And Karina. Nothing for me. Thank you. 548 00:48:30,700 --> 00:48:35,640 Okay. I have one last thing and then I will let you guys go. We have been pretty good since 549 00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:37,240 It's pretty much far worse up the tone, honestly, 550 00:48:37,300 --> 00:48:38,080 about four months ago, 551 00:48:38,260 --> 00:48:40,040 at keeping this meeting to about an hour. 552 00:48:40,620 --> 00:48:42,200 We have it scheduled for two hours. 553 00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,040 I want to be respectful of the time. 554 00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,100 I would maybe propose that we look at shortening that 555 00:48:47,100 --> 00:48:48,540 to scheduling them for an hour and a half. 556 00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,020 I don't want us to feel super intense about it, 557 00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,000 but I want to make sure that you all have the flexibility 558 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,000 and the schedule that you need. 559 00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,240 And quite frankly, I feel bad just taking up 560 00:48:56,240 --> 00:48:58,120 two hour chunks on your schedule once a month. 561 00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,600 Is there any opposition to Brittany and I shortening 562 00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:02,600 these to an hour and a half 563 00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,660 for the calendar invites and for the time of the minutes? 564 00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:10,760 Okay, I knew you guys were really going to be broken hearted about last time in short meetings. 565 00:49:11,220 --> 00:49:19,040 I don't have opposition, but I do love it when I have the meeting blocked and scheduled and we get to 566 00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:26,880 an early meeting. So many time in a meeting. I'm with Karina. I'm always Karina on that if we 567 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:32,440 left it at two and planned on an hour and a half. I love that. You'd be okay with that. All right, 568 00:49:32,500 --> 00:49:35,320 well, how about this? Let's start with an hour and a half if we decide if you guys come back and you're 569 00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:36,800 like, we've got to change this. 570 00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:37,760 Give me back my half hour. 571 00:49:37,900 --> 00:49:38,720 I will do that for you. 572 00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,440 But we'll move it to an hour and a half, not an hour, 573 00:49:41,620 --> 00:49:43,060 but we'll go without moving forward. 574 00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:44,360 OK, all right. 575 00:49:44,500 --> 00:49:46,020 Then with that, I think we're finished for the day. 576 00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:47,240 Thank you all for joining us. 577 00:49:47,620 --> 00:49:49,780 If you have any questions, I'll say on for a second. 578 00:49:49,900 --> 00:49:52,300 But other than that, thank you for your work 579 00:49:52,300 --> 00:49:54,380 and enjoy your Friday and this meeting is adjourned. 580 00:49:55,220 --> 00:49:55,800 Thank you. 581 00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:56,780 Everybody can. 582 00:50:09,010 --> 00:50:10,090 OK, Brittany, it's just you and I. 583 00:50:10,230 --> 00:50:10,950 We're good to go then. 584 00:50:13,230 --> 00:50:13,550 Great. 585 00:50:13,790 --> 00:50:14,590 Plus, we'll be here. 586 00:50:15,210 --> 00:50:15,770 Thank you. 587 00:50:15,770 --> 00:50:18,030 We'll rule these meetings with an iron fist. 588 00:50:19,050 --> 00:50:19,490 Okay. 589 00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:20,990 Okay, bye. 590 00:50:20,990 --> 00:50:21,250 All right. 591 00:50:21,530 --> 00:50:21,930 See you later. 592 00:50:22,190 --> 00:50:22,290 Peace.