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next year's her first year in 4. So I
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be out here starting and 1 of July
scrubbing and polishing cows and

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everything." I said, "I'm going to point
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» Riley.
>> Yes, sir.

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» Yeah,
>> it's a great learning experience. It's a

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lot of work.
>> It's a lot of work. does a ton of work.

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Uh we went up last night to pick up some
stuff and people are just exhausted. I

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remember it well. Yeah.
>> Nothing like a little bit of mud.

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» Uh Friday was there's a lot of mud.
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» They they [clears throat] had some of
the parking lot blocked off already by

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Friday. I think they brought it back by
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later.
Yeah, she got

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» Well, I was able to avoid it for the
entire weekend, so I was feeling pretty

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good.
>> Yeah, it's you. Yeah, I can't I I think

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there maybe one year I didn't go up in
my entire life.

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» Yeah,
>> I said he's flicker.

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» Thank God cuz he couldn't get him apart.
He's up there.

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Grab him by the back legs.

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by the back legs furthest per minute
by the back legs

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that mine actually got the
aggressive dog by the back legs.

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» He's up there trying to get the jaws
off. He couldn't get his dog's jaws off.

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How's it going?
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» bad so far.
>> Good.

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» No.

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[snorts]

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want you to have the car.

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» No, she cares.

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» Just a knot. At least it can still work.

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That was a week
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» Well, there was a real conducive day
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» No, that shelter in place really threw
us out.

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» This nonsense.

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» Yeah, just something with the bank. I
get a thing every year.

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something about
>> there's enough money to cover bills

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Ohio
systems national bank field

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[clears throat]
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» Yep.

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» This was what I took out my back door.
>> Wow.

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» It was spinning.
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» It was spinning.
>> That close to the beginning.

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He says shelter replaced and everybody
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» call the meeting to order.
>> Tom Jones, would you like to lead us the

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pledge, sir?

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» To the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for which it

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stands, one nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice

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for all.
>> Thank you, sir.

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Okay. And we have some guests tonight.
Jennifer Jones of Giaga Trumble Solid

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Waste District.
Come on up.

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Like it says, I'm Jen Jones. I'm with
the Giaga Trumble Solid Waste District.

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were the recycling votes for Giaga and
Trumbo counties. Um I came and asked to

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speak today

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about recycling in the county. Right now
we have drop off sites. Our primary form

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of recycling which is our main purpose
is to encourage recycling throughout the

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county.
Right now we have drop off sites. You

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don't have one here in Auburn but
there's one in Banebridge. There's one

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in Troy. There's 14 throughout uh 12
throughout Giaga County. Those drop off

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sites um are becoming increasingly more
expensive to operate. Most people are

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unaware that they think that recycling
makes us money. You put your bottles and

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cans in the drop off sites. We use that
money to pay our salaries and things

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like that. That is completely not the
truth. Um we make a little bit of money

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on cans and cardboard, but we lose this
much money on plastics. So the cost of

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actually processing and recycling those
materials is quite expensive. Um when I

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first started at this job in 2019, our
bill to manage all we have 44 sites

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throughout Trumbull and Giaga County to
manage all of those sites just the

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processing costs was about half a
million 550 $550,000.

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This year I budgeted 1.05 million.
That's the increase in cost over the

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last six years for a number of reasons.
people are recycling a little bit more.

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Um the cost like everything else has
gone up significantly and there used to

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be uh a lot of paper and cardboard only
containers throughout the c county that

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were operated by a separate private
company. Uh that those two companies

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have slowly started withdrawing their
support for this area and we've had to

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pick up the slack for their materials.
Um so it has increased our costs almost

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38%. at our overall usage is about 38%.
So why am I here today? [clears throat]

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I'm coming here because we in a
roundabout way collect tax dollars. We

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don't get county funds. We don't get
city funds or anything like that. We get

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money from landfills. So the money you
pay for your trash, a small portion of

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that, $5.50 per ton, which is about it
ends up being about $5.50 per household

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per year because you each produce about
five one ton a year. About $5.50 50

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cents comes to us to manage all of our
programs. It's about $2 million we

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collect every year. Now, half of that
money is going to the drop off sites.

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It's becoming
it's going to become unsustainable.

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Right now, we're able to manage it. We
just have to cut other places. So, a lot

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of the things that we fund like our
cleanup day funds, our grant funds that

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we offer each year, we're going to have
to cut back cut those [clears throat]

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back in order to continue operating all
of the sites that we operate. I don't

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want to close sites. So, how do we
continue offering operating offering the

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service and save money at the same time?
Curbside recycling. Curbside recycling

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is the most efficient, most
cost-effective way to offer recycling in

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any area. Curbside is, you know, each of
you have trash service. They come to

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your house, they pick up your trash. To
have a truck come to your house and pick

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up recycling instead of having a drop
off site.

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The problem with that is is that cost of
trash is pretty expensive. The cost of

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recycling is pretty expensive. So most
people aren't going to pay the extra to

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get the recycling. So how do we get it
so it's reasonable for most people? The

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cost of trash is directly related to how
long it takes the truck to get filled up

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with trash. That's just a basic in trash
service. Um the biggest cost in trash is

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the driver of the truck and their time.
So, if we can make the the time smaller

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for the truck to get filled up, the cost
per household goes down.

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So, if you're able to do that, then we
could save money on trash, which would

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then allow us to add recycling in for no
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If you were to bid out trash services
for all of your residents instead of

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right now you have an open market where
everybody can you pick whatever trash

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company you want. There are five
different trash companies who operate in

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this area. You could any of your any of
your residents can pick up the phone and

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call whoever they want to come to their
house and pick up their trash. If you as

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a township were to bid out that service
and have one hauler,

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the cost for recycle for trash would go
probably down $10 to $15 per month. Most

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people pay about $30 to $35 a month for
trash. You might pay quarterly, you

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might pay annually and save a little bit
of money, but that's the that's the

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average, $30 to $35.
When you bid it out, it's significantly

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less. For instance, in the city of
Shardan, the city of Shardan bids it

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out. Their cost for trash and recycling
trucks to come to their house is $18 a

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month. Both services for almost half, a
little over half what the average cost

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is anywhere else. That's because it's
one truck going up and picking up

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everybody on your block and bringing it
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Townships can bid it out. It's not
something that only cities can do.

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Townships are absolutely allowed by Ohio
Revised Code to be able to bid out that

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process. You are probably not familiar
with it, but it is a common practice in

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other areas. Trumble County has
townships that bid it out. There are

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lots of other other counties that have
townships that bid [clears throat] this

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out. I would like to talk to you about
potent thinking about going out to bid

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for trash and recycling services just
because it would allow us we I don't

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have any intention of closing the drop
off sites. We pay

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by the amount of volume that we pick up.
The the better job I do of promoting it

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and getting people to recycle more, the
more my bill goes up. But if we were to

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switch to curbside and most everybody
was recycling at the curb, the cost for

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that would be included in their monthly
trash fee, the per the resident's

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monthly trash fee, and their usage of my
dropoff sites would go down. So I would

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save money. So, even if 30% less people
brought stuff, they all decided to go

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curbside and then didn't use my drop off
sites, I would save $300,000 a year,

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which would allow me to continue
offering my grants to continue having my

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my collection facility where we take
chemicals and appliances and all the

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things that nobody can, you know,
refrigerators that nobody can get rid of

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here in Giaga County. We would be able
to continue offering that service

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without raising our fees. What I don't
want to do is raise our fees more than

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what we're already raising them. Um
because it's just not financially the

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best way to do things. It's my our job
my job as a government agent to provide

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the best service, the best bang for our
buck, and that's curbside. So I I

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understand you probably are completely
out of your league with how to do this.

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There are contracts. There are lots of
different options how to do it. And it

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would benefit the township, too. Not
just the residents, it would benefit the

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township. So, for instance, you do you
guys have I'm pretty sure you have a

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township cleanup day.
>> Yes.

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» Yes. You could as part of that contract,
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two of them, you could include all the
trash. So, your trash bill for all the

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dumpsters for that day, you could
include it as part of the contract where

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you pay 0. That is an extremely common
thing to do. Shardan does that. Their

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citywide cleanup days, they don't pay
that bill. All of their buildings

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throughout the the city, their township
buildings or the parks or wherever they

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have dumpsters, that could be included
as part of the contract. Um, road wear

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and tear is significantly less when you
have one hauler.

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» There are tons of studies that have been
done comparing how much garbage trucks

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ruin roads. Garbage trucks are the
number one road wear vehicle on the

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roads. There's studies that show that
reducing from five haulers to one hauler

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using the math that I got from the
engineers yard the engineers uh there's

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an agency that does this and I I have
papers to give to you too before I go.

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You will reduce the amount of passes on
any given road by 1 million passes per

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year by going from five haulers to one
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1 million passes uh for of passenger
cars. It is significantly less road wear

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and tear. So you would have you would
save

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indirectly through road wear and tear uh
road paving and projects and things like

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that. So it is a benefit to the township
and everybody would have access to

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recycling. Right now there are probably
a lot of people who can't drive, don't

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have a car, maybe don't want to don't
have the ability to drive that far to

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get to a drop off site to do their
recycling. They just can't do it. Well,

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it's a lot easier when all you have to
do is roll a cart out to your curb and

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the trash guy comes and picks it up and
recycles it from there. So, it also

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gives access to your residents, too. And
it's something that you could you

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wouldn't have to pay it. The residents
would still have to pay the bill

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themselves. The company, whoever wins
the bid, would send the bill still to

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the residents. you would just be bidding
it out and choosing their hauler for

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them, which I know is can be a big deal.
But I there are always going to people

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who are not happy with the government
making choices for them. But it is a

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utility. You don't get a choice with
water resources. You get you don't get a

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choice with the electric company or the
gas company for the most part. And it's

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the only way that we could offer that
service to everybody to have it fair and

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equal to everybody. So it it is a
utility. It's something that I could

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help you walk through. I could take many
steps. We could have town hall meetings

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and discuss it prior to we would provide
education. My depart my division, the

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district would be the you would hand out
our phone number when people had

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questions on why are we doing this or
who's going to be our new hauler? What

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can I recycle? That would be our we
would handle all of those questions. We

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don't we want to make it lift the burden
off of you guys to do this change. But

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once it happens, it's the transition
from contract to contract is very simple

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and just the beginning one is kind of a
a big lift, but we want to help with

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that big lift. So, um, and it's a long
process. It takes at least a year from

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when you decide to do it to bid it to
get to the process to bid it out to

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actually have the service start. So, and
there are a lot of factors and I won't

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go into them today. um what you could
put in the bid packet, what you don't

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want to put into the bid packet, timing
issues, and things like that. So, um I'm

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just here to offer my services and ask
you to consider having another meeting

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with me, maybe a subcommittee meeting or
something like that where we could talk

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about potentially u moving forward with
bidding out the process. You also could

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bid it out in conjunction with another
township. So, like if Troy I was at

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Troy, Troy was interested. No, I wasn't
at Troy. I apologize.

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I was at, let me look at my pictures.
I've been to

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Newberry. I was in Newberry. Newberry
was interested. If you wanted to bid it

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out with you and Newberry together to
save even more money or make it more

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attractive for biders to bid on it, you
could do that, too. Or or not. You could

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go at it alone. I've talked to
Banebridge. Banebridge is looking at

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doing it alone, but they're huge. So,
you know, they could do that. Um,

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there's lots of options. So, I have
little information packets that go into

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detail about the road wear and the
benefits of recycling

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and um the benefits of bidding it out
and just

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pass. Oh, it's like kindergarten. Here
you go.

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Four packets. There you go.
>> So, who gets the savings?

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» The residents. You You both get savings.
The residents will have a savings on

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their monthly bill almost. It's almost
guaranteed. I can't guarantee it because

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you don't know until the bids come in,
but every time you go out to bid for um

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to one hauler, every time I've ever seen
it bid out, it's always less. And with

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trash and recycling together, it's still
less than trash alone. And the township

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saves money in those other ways that I
talked about, either the the county day,

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the township days, the cleanup days, the
township trash, and the road wear and

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tear. Those are the savings. But the
residents actually save money monthly in

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their bill.
>> Okay. Um yeah, this has been uh I mean

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this is an idea that's not new. It's
been kicked around for years and years.

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Uh single carrier, you know.
>> Uh

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probably not Bambridge, but I think it
was Russell went pretty deeply into this

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a decade or so ago
>> and I think ultimately they did not do

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it. Who else is doing this in Jaga
County besides city of Chardan?

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» Just villages. There are no township
villages. Okay.

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» Yeah. Middlefield village and Burton
Village and the city of Chardan are

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doing it.
>> Um

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» but there are some in Trumble County who
are doing it. Townships in

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» There's some big big townships in
Trumble County though.

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» Well, Withersfield's not that big.
They're about your size and they do it.

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» All right. Um I'm looking at the invites
here for county township quarterly

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meeting. Are you aware of that? Yeah, I
actually spoke at the last meeting for I

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I had two minutes.
>> Okay.

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» Oh, okay.
>> Which wasn't really that long. And um

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the the news the Maple Leaf actually
printed an article saying that I was

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going to close all of my sites based on
that, which I did not say. And so it's

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kind of spurred this discussion a little
bit, but I I already talked to Jonathan

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and I'm going to speak at a future
meeting again and I'm gonna be one of

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the hopefully he gives me five minutes
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uh to speak, but yes, I plan on speaking
at the GCTA meeting, one of the upcoming

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GCTA meetings.
>> I mean, you know, on its face, it makes

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sense. Uh
a lot of people that we mentioned don't

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like the fact that that the government
is making a choice for them that's

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pretty sure to come up should we go down
this path. Um,

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» most likely it will. Yes,
>> it will. Uh,

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» but there's also I just to say there's
the silent majority of people who

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would love to see their bills go down.
>> I I mean there there's a lot of people

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who don't attend these meetings and they
but they would they would be interested

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in this. And I'm if you want to go the
route of a survey, I've been talking

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about uh working on putting a survey on
our website um that people could come

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and say what no they don't have to give
a name but what their township is and if

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they're interested in it and ask I'm
putting together some pointed questions

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about uh how their interest and their
their questions about why they wouldn't

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want to do it, their issues with how
they wouldn't want to do it just to get

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more feedback and provide that feedback
uh to you if that's a route. you would

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rather start with that and get a survey
kind of where your residents are. Um, I

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I'm happy to gather data, but typically
when this happens,

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most residents are very happy to go this
way, most residents, because they're

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it's a savings on their bill. It's more
convenient and they can recycle more

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things.
>> I'm sure there's Ohio Revised Code

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ramifications here for township signing
a contract with one single carrier. uh

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prosecutor's office would certainly have
to be involved here. You said it's going

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to go through a bidding process and we
generally include them with anything of

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you know
>> over a certain a min you know some type

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of amount.
>> Yes.

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» Uh so that would be part of it. Um
>> generally we only do one year contract.

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So
>> yeah that's the other thing is how how

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how I guess there's no townships
actually even anywhere starting down

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[clears throat] this path yet. Correct.
in Gog. No.

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» In Gog. No. Okay.
>> No. But the typical contract is 3 to 5

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years. Um three you it's a three-year
guarantee and then two optional years

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for renewals with both parties being
able to cancel at those last two years.

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Um that is the typical length of
contract. Um I have contract samples. I

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would be happy to pay for the legal
review if that would help. Um, I I have

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documents. I have the bid package
documents because the bid packets are

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rather detailed and I'm happy to provide
all of that and walk you through

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whatever steps you would like to take
next.

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» Okay. Okay. I think that's going
[clears throat] to require some

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discussion here. My comment is, you
know,

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who you choose as a trash carrier can
get pretty emotional because there there

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are some their customer service is
terrible.

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» Yes.
>> And I know I've switched not because of

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the cost
was mostly because of their customer

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service. And without mentioning names,
there some pretty large ones. and I've

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replaced them with
somebody local whose customer service is

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far above everybody else. So, I sure
wouldn't want the government dictating

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to me who I can choose.
>> You can [clears throat] in the bid

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packet state that it's not the lowest
bid, but the lowest and best bid. And

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then you could as part of the packet put
in there customer service fact. You

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know, there's there's
>> and you have to measure that.

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» You have to measure and there's ways to
do that. Um, but I get it. There are

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certain callers that have a reputation
in Giaga County. I know who you're

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speaking of. Um, and they they wouldn't
necessarily have the lowest bid or the

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best bid. Um, and you wouldn't have to
necessarily go with them. For instance,

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a dumpster bandit just got Middlefield
Village and Chardan City's contract.

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They're the local guy. They're based
locally. They have over half the

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residents of Banebridge now just as a
regular everyday open market.

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» They have all the shagrin.
>> They've all shagrin, too. You're right.

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» I think they have I I don't keep track
of them because they're not in my

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county, but I believe they got Shagrin's
contract as well. They're, you know, it

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doesn't mean you're not you're not going
to get a local guy. Um there's

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» well then the big national ones that
sponsor golf tournaments they can come

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in and undercut
>> the the big ones regularly don't win my

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I have to bid out my drop off site
contracts every 3 to five years and

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[clears throat] waste WM waste
management bids on it every year they

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haven't won ever who have been my
winners two little guys in the last 15

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years three four contracts 20 years it's
been little guys they don't win the bid

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because They're too big and I guess
we're too small to bother for them to

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bother.
Just saying. I'm But whatever you would

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like to to talk about, I'm I'm happy. I
just want to put it back on your brains

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and offer my services and hopefully it
will spur some conversation to move

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forward with it so we can continue
offering all the services that we

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currently offer and not have to raise
our fees to be able to offer them

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because I know your residents besides
our drop off site recycling there's

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nowhere else to get rid of gasoline.
There's nowhere else to get rid of

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antifreeze. There's nowhere else to get
rid of appliances with freon in Giaga

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County. Um, we're the only guy in town
and I don't I mean we already only

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operate one day a week. I would hate to
make it every other week or I'm not

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threatening it but you know five years
down the road every every year my bill

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goes up 5% for the drop off sites.
That's a common annual escalator. Um so

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next year it's going to be 1.1 million.
Next year after that even more even more

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eating into what my $2 million budget.
So, um, just saying it's it's needs to

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there needs to be some kind of change on
how we do business in order to continue

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offering all the services we offer.
>> Okay.

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» Yeah. Before you go, I want to thank you
and your organization, but because

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you've [clears throat] been uh great
assistance to our cleanup days here

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that's been going on for us.
>> Yes. You guys always have a big clean

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» 40ome years, I think, now we've been
doing a clean up. I can't say that we've

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gotten grants from you for 40ome years,
but this started back in the 80s here.

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» Yeah, the tire grants for
>> the tire grant in particular. I think we

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were the first we might have been the
first to apply for that grant and it's

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been
>> there's a lot of tires that are no

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longer with us because of that. So,
yeah,

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» I'm glad we that's one of our we spend
$100,000 a year on tires and that's, you

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know, that's something we don't want
like to touch. Um, and our cleanups are

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not buying garbage bags and gloves is
really, you know, we spend 15 grand on

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that. That's really not that big of a
deal to us, but it's it's greatly uh we

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love that it's litter is mainly a labor
intensive, not a cost.

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» Well, pass along all the work you do.
>> I'm going to pass along thanks from the

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residents because when they come in with
their ape tires and they realize there's

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no fee, they are somewhat stunned. So,
thank you very much,

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» Judge. I know I won't keep you for one
other thing. I applied for a special

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grant. Um, next year besides the funding
you will have for a tire day, we will be

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hosting a countywide tire at the Giaga
County Fairgrounds. So, as soon as I get

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the date for that finalized, I will let
you know. So, if your residents have

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more than eight tires, you could say,
"Hey, on such and such a day at the

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county fairgrounds, you could take an
additional 10 tires." We'll have 10

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tires um at the Giaga County
Fairgrounds. We uh applied for a special

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grant and we're approved for that. So,
you don't have you heard it there first.

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» We don't uh we just don't have the date
set yet in stone.

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» Okay.
>> Thank you.

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» Thank you.
>> Thank you.

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» Do you have do you have an email that
you use for back and forth on some of

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this?
>> Absolutely. This is me.

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» Awesome.
>> Please feel free to ask any question you

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like.
>> All right.

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» Thank you.
>> Thank you, Jennifer.

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Okay. Uh next

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He's not present.
Guess he's not here.

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» Okay.
He's a candidate for state

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representative in Ohio's 35th House
District. He was going to talk to us be

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here to be here. So,
I guess I'll wait for a reschedule.

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» Okay. Got a minute approval. Regular
meeting of 817.

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» We got there's a set missing. We got
three sets. The first one is the special

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meeting prior to the regular meeting.

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Okay. So, the special meeting of 8:17.
>> Yes.

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» Regular meeting was 8:17, but we had
Yeah, we met beforehand. We met

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beforehand. That's right.
>> Okay.

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» All right. So, the special meeting of
8:17 2026

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» and all that does is just call to order
going in the call. You call the year of

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the special meeting.
[clears throat] He made a motion. PJ

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seconded. We went in executive session.
Um invited in the executive session

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where myself, assistant to the fiscal
officer, Lorraine and Kristen Ryan Jag

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APA. Then there was a motion to come out
of executive session that ended at 7 pm

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and then a motion to adjourn the special
meeting at 7:01 p.m.

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» Okay.
Based on that, I will make a motion to

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approve that.
>> I'll second.

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» PJ,
>> yes.

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» Riley,
>> yes.

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» Michael,
>> yes. Now, the regular meeting.

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» Okay. Is that the regular meeting 17?
Any

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comments?
>> I do not have any. No.

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» All right. I'll make a motion to
approve.

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» I'll second.
>> PJ,

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» yes.
>> Riley,

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» yes.
>> Michael,

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» yes.

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» Okay. And then the special meeting of
8:31.

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Same thing. We went into executive
session.

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[clears throat]
>> We came out of executive session and

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then you adjourn the meeting.
>> Okay. Motion to approve.

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» Second.
>> PJ.

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» Yep.
>> Riley.

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» Yes.
>> Michael.

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» Yes.

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» Okay. Schedule reports. Frank Kitco,
zoning inspector.

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» Okay. them should all have a copy of
activity for August. Pretty spread out.

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We process 17
um to denials to accessories or two

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buildings under accessory buildings over
200 square ft and one under two decks to

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fences.
Two new dwellings bringing the total new

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dwellings for the year to 10 which is a
surprise. and two variances and or

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conditional uses.
It's all I have. But you uh I'm going to

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make you aware of a situation.
Uh you

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three of you may get some calls,
but we have a situation [clears throat]

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in the subdivision of Regal Place down
up Valley Road. Um,

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[cough and clears throat] I think
between Jane and I, we've spoken to

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every resident in the subdivision except
one, and it has to do with the fact that

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uh, one of the residents that lives
there [cough]

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is into
animal husbandry in in the way of dogs.

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Uh he trains Doberman pinchers.
They are considered

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somewhat
temperamental and violent violent as far

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as the other residents go.
But [clears throat]

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under five code, [cough]
dog kennels are agriculture and exempt

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from zoning.
And uh yes, the high revised code does

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give
the zoning department and townships the

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ability to regulate
agriculture

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in a subdivision,
but that subdivision must have at least

415
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15 sublots. This one does not. So
therefore

416
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:49,919
I cannot
regulate

417
00:31:46,159 --> 00:31:55,840
um the the agricultural use in any way,
shape or form. And these you know these

418
00:31:52,559 --> 00:32:04,480
residents are extremely upset and you
know so you guys may may receive some

419
00:32:00,159 --> 00:32:09,519
calls on it because both Jane and I have
you know told them there's nothing

420
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:16,240
zoning wise we can do. call the sheriff.
If the dogs have have bit somebody,

421
00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:21,679
report them to the, you know, the dog
warden. Uh,

422
00:32:18,559 --> 00:32:26,640
but they're they just don't want to take
no for an answer. So,

423
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:32,080
the next step usually is if they can't
get anywhere without the zoning office,

424
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:35,039
they call you guys. So, I'm just making
you aware of it.

425
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:38,559
» All right. Thanks, Rick.
>> Okay. since I might get a phone call on

426
00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:43,200
that because I know some people down
that way. Uh there's nothing about

427
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:47,679
percentage of the subdivision being
built out.

428
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:52,960
» There is. But the problem is
it only applies when there's 15 or more

429
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:58,000
subs. So it's clear that way. Okay.
>> Yeah, that's the problem. And that's the

430
00:32:54,799 --> 00:33:01,679
part that there people are having a hard
time understanding, you know, and uh

431
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:06,080
» but uh
>> I don't blame them. Doesn't make it

432
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:11,880
doesn't make a lot of sense. And I know
I know for a fact

433
00:33:08,559 --> 00:33:11,880
that twice

434
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:23,919
someone has been bit by the dogs, but I
believe it's the residents, children, or

435
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:28,080
somebody there. It's not any of the
residents in the subdivision itself.

436
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:33,440
» Yeah, I know this is a revised code
thing, but those are threeacre lots. So,

437
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:37,600
picture a 30 acre subdivision. You're
going to have I don't know, probably

438
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:40,880
eight, maybe nine lots in there. And if
they're all filled up and you can't

439
00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:44,320
regulate agriculture, doesn't make a
whole lot of sense, does it?

440
00:33:42,399 --> 00:33:47,519
» It's not up to us. That's a revised code
thing,

441
00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:52,640
» right? But that's So, like I said, I'm
just making you aware that you might you

442
00:33:49,919 --> 00:33:57,600
gentlemen may receive some calls because
I've kind of exhausted myself trying to

443
00:33:55,039 --> 00:34:04,320
explain it and I know Jane has as well.
zone, but I spent probably

444
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:10,079
25 minutes on the phone with one over
the weekend and trying to explain it and

445
00:34:06,399 --> 00:34:14,480
she just wouldn't take no for an answer.
And I said, "Look, this is the high

446
00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:22,240
revised code." And to make matters
worse, I told her the press precedes

447
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:29,359
case in the entire state
is in Jaga County in Russell Township.

448
00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:33,040
I says, "As far as dog can go, you know,
being classified is agriculture." So,

449
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:37,119
you know,
>> Frank, I got a question. Are these dogs

450
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:41,440
barking loudly?
>> No.

451
00:34:37,839 --> 00:34:44,720
» Okay. Cuz I I know you can avoid
that.

452
00:34:42,240 --> 00:34:50,960
» You know, they bark occasionally, but
their biggest fear is that uh somebody's

453
00:34:48,240 --> 00:34:56,079
going to get somebody other than the
people that live on the lot are going to

454
00:34:52,560 --> 00:35:00,480
get bit. And I understand. I know. I
know twice

455
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:04,400
um [clears throat] the fire department
has been there on a call.

456
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:08,000
» I do remember one.
>> Yeah.

457
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:11,680
» So,
>> what's the percentage? You looked into

458
00:35:09,839 --> 00:35:14,640
the percentage of the lots in the
subdivision that are developed.

459
00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:21,920
» What?
>> It doesn't matter because there's not 15

460
00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:27,119
lots under high revised code.
They have the subdivision has to have a

461
00:35:23,839 --> 00:35:32,160
minimum of fif it has to have more than
15 lots and that particular subdivision

462
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:34,720
does not have 15 lots
>> for between one and five acres.

463
00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:39,359
» Yeah.
>> I I came across it because the

464
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:45,200
the way it's written in our Auburn
zoning that you can't have chickens

465
00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:48,240
between one and five acres if
>> you're in a subdivision

466
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:52,320
35%.
>> Right. Right. So, I didn't know if it

467
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:59,040
» kind of walks that line.
>> If that subdivision doesn't have 15

468
00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:02,320
sublotss, then it that doesn't apply.
>> That's the minimum to trigger that. You

469
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:05,760
have to have 15 homes.
>> More than 15. Yes.

470
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,040
» Homes or just lots?
>> Homes.

471
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:10,720
» Lots.
>> Lots in.

472
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:14,280
» This Regal Place has not 15.
>> No.

473
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,280
» Okay.

474
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,200
Any

475
00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:22,200
questions for Frank?

476
00:36:23,140 --> 00:36:28,440
[clears throat]
>> Okay. Cemetery report.

477
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,440
» Yes,

478
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:40,800
» they are on the website now. I know a
gentleman that's not here tonight asked

479
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:46,640
about that. Uh so the cemetery reports
are being uploaded with our minutes. Um,

480
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:50,400
I don't know why I didn't receive this
electronically because I'd love to just

481
00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:56,760
put it up on the TV.
I don't even know who gave this to me.

482
00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:56,760
Mark should have sent it.

483
00:36:57,839 --> 00:37:05,680
Well, I'll deal with that. Um,
so this will get added to our minutes,

484
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:08,960
but in the meantime, there were zero
interaments.

485
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:12,920
Um,
still waiting on ground to settle for

486
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:16,480
some headstone work.
>> [cough and clears throat]

487
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:20,640
» One grave site was sold. No groundwork
was performed.

488
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:24,040
A veteran medallion was placed for a
John Seymol.

489
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:31,280
Uh a project that Mark is working on our
Sexton portable headstone leveling

490
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:37,040
systems. [clears throat] We have a ton
of settling. They get kicked around from

491
00:37:33,599 --> 00:37:41,599
the lawnmowers up there. and um he
considered a nice way to make it look

492
00:37:39,119 --> 00:37:46,079
more presentable, but we need possibly a
tool to do it. So, he's been working on

493
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:52,880
that. I don't want to say the price. I
don't remember it off the top of my head

494
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:55,880
right now. Um more importantly, he has a
proposal.

495
00:37:56,079 --> 00:38:02,320
» Before we get to that,
>> yes, sir. I got a concern about says

496
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:07,839
Lorraine suggested purchasing a
fireproof file cabinet for the paper

497
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:13,680
records in Dan's office.
Okay. So, the file cabinet would go

498
00:38:11,359 --> 00:38:19,440
where he's located, not not in my
office. It's just the records that were

499
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:24,640
dropped off are in my office. I have to
keep the deeds, but all those other

500
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:30,520
records he's going to put in a file
cabinet in his office at the road

501
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,520
garage.

502
00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:38,240
» Like a what size? Like a two by What's a
standard file cabinet? Two by 2 by3.

503
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:43,119
» Yeah, I don't know. I know they were
looking at all the

504
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:47,680
records of I think I was just reading
this wrong.

505
00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:49,760
I think the keys being fireproof is what
>> Yeah.

506
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:53,760
» is looking for. [clears throat]
>> Do you have a date stored in fireproof

507
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:57,720
one?
>> I don't think that's fireproof.

508
00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:03,040
» No,
>> they're expensive.

509
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:08,880
» Yeah, most documentations like that
should be probably fireproof.

510
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:16,240
» Um,
>> do we want to set a budget and buy two?

511
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:21,359
One for there, one for here.
Small fire. The deed books stacked up

512
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:27,960
are what about 10 inches by four of
them, right? Small fireproof.

513
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,960
See,

514
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:36,160
they're legal size. What's that? 11 by
14.

515
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:41,920
» Yes.
>> I mean, the the the cheapies on Amazon

516
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:45,440
$150 to $200 range will probably get us
one.

517
00:39:42,917 --> 00:39:48,400
[clears throat] On the medium side, what
records does he want to keep? Just the

518
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:53,680
old some of the old paperwork.
>> Yeah, they're like almost index cards.

519
00:39:51,839 --> 00:39:59,680
» We could if we want to get this moving,
we could probably set a budget for 500

520
00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:04,560
or less and get get both of them and get
it going.

521
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:07,760
And the remaining money obviously we
won't spend.

522
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:12,079
That's just if we want to
>> couple of fireproof cabinets makes

523
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:17,599
sense. Uh,
is that a motion, Riley?

524
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:24,880
» Yes. I will motion to set a budget at
$500 or less with the goal to buy

525
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:28,160
purchase two fireproof safes for the
cemetery records.

526
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,240
» Second.
>> DJ,

527
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,760
» yes. [clears throat]
>> Riley,

528
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:35,400
» yes.
>> Michael,

529
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,400
» yes.

530
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:44,079
» All right. Thank you, Mr. Matsco. Um, so
from Mark, I'll just read this verbatim,

531
00:40:41,839 --> 00:40:47,359
a note, something he's looking for here.
I believe it's in the best interest of

532
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:51,920
the township to adopt a policy regarding
cemetery deed transfers. We we talked

533
00:40:49,839 --> 00:40:58,160
about this briefly, but we didn't really
get very far with it. Um, the deeds

534
00:40:54,960 --> 00:41:03,200
state that the township
shall grant, bargain, sell, and convey

535
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:08,240
to the name on the deed and their heirs
the burial rights forever [cough]

536
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:12,640
of the listed grave site. In the event a
deed holder or heir wishes to transfer

537
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:17,200
burial right ownership to someone else,
family or not, a new deed would need to

538
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:22,079
be printed in the original deed voided.
I also recommend adopting a deed

539
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:26,160
transfer form. I provided one that he lo
that was located online. My research

540
00:41:24,319 --> 00:41:33,040
found that fees for this range are
anywhere from 220 to $150 for

541
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:36,880
administration and processing. Um the
trustees can decide on the exact fee

542
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:43,760
amount.
Um yeah, this would be a new way to uh

543
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:49,440
handle finances here. This in the
cemetery

544
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:54,000
area. Uh different townships uh do it
different ways. A lot of them, some of

545
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:59,520
them require
you to sell back to the township first

546
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:03,440
and then the township sells. But I think
the goal of the entire thing is to

547
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:07,040
create a paper trail. And that's what
this does as well with I think a lot

548
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:10,000
less complications.
>> Yeah.

549
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:13,839
» Um
he did the research after after we you

550
00:42:12,319 --> 00:42:20,000
know kicked it around for a while. He
took it from there. Um, as far as the R,

551
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:25,040
you know, there's some clerical, so
there's some time involved, you know,

552
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:29,599
obviously, but it's a paper trail. Okay.
And if you add a payment to it, which we

553
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:35,040
know we don't have a payment right now,
but if you add a small payment, and I'm

554
00:42:31,839 --> 00:42:39,440
emphasizing just cover, it makes another
Yes. that covers the cost, but it also

555
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:43,040
creates a trail that, hey, that's why
this guy owns this lot and this guy

556
00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:45,599
doesn't own it anymore.
>> You see what I mean?

557
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:51,200
» Yeah. So, it comes through the township
and there's two different records of why

558
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:55,680
that happened.
So, I think it's a good idea. I would I

559
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:58,800
would Okay, I'm just going to tell you I
mentioned earlier I would be on the low

560
00:42:57,119 --> 00:43:03,040
end of that. I'm going to go 20 bucks,
but you guys can kick that around if you

561
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:08,240
want.
I don't know. From my standpoint, I'm

562
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:15,200
I'm thinking if somebody bought
two lots 50 years ago at $20 a piece and

563
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:21,760
we're now selling them at what 250 a
piece for resident or

564
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:25,440
a lot more than that for non-residents.
>> Yeah, but they bought them. They bought

565
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:31,040
the lots at the price they were asking,
>> right? But now they're not going to use

566
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:35,445
it. So sell it back to the township.
It's not fair to somebody who's

567
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:40,319
purchasing a new a new lot
[clears throat] at the going rate.

568
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:44,240
I I think I mean other townships do
that.

569
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:49,520
» Yeah. That was also I mean when we sold
him the lot was sold under those

570
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:51,920
conditions that they could transfer it.
>> You got documentation that supports

571
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:56,960
that?
>> That's what he says right there.

572
00:43:54,640 --> 00:44:02,000
Um, in the first two sentences, that's
what the [clears throat] deeds state.

573
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:04,400
» I believe
we're talking about two different What

574
00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:08,720
are we talking about? What the deed
states? You want to know? Grant,

575
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:13,520
bargain, sell, and convey. Cuz you own
it. The person owns it.

576
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:17,920
» So, the bigger I think what why Mark
started thinking about this cuz I was up

577
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:21,599
there. They were trying to find very old
plots from the 80s, I believe, and the

578
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:28,319
price was very reasonable and they
bought eight spots. um and the name

579
00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:32,720
doesn't match
any longer, but the somebody had some

580
00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:39,520
record and they want to use one of the
spots. Um the what we first need to

581
00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:44,640
decide is are we doing this we're not
doing this for profit. We know that this

582
00:44:41,839 --> 00:44:48,480
isn't profitable. We but we can't
shouldn't bleed money either because

583
00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:55,040
it's ultimately the taxpayers's dollars
when we dig the holes in the expensive

584
00:44:50,880 --> 00:45:00,560
equipment. So, why this is important is
because you not to look at these graves

585
00:44:57,839 --> 00:45:04,480
as investments, but if you paid $20 for
one and they're still pretty affordable

586
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:09,760
at 250 and we're hypothetically losing
money over we're setting ourselves up

587
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:13,920
for failure to really be in the red over
the next 20 years. Um, you know, do we

588
00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:17,359
don't even have limits. You know, could
I could I buy 20 and then just assume

589
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:22,079
they're going to be 600 bucks in 20
years as an investment instrument? Um,

590
00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:27,920
we don't know that that's happening
obviously, but um, there should be some

591
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:32,160
some controls about this. You just buy
one, then you don't use it. You could

592
00:45:30,079 --> 00:45:41,440
just give it away and it's significantly
more expensive when it gets used. Um,

593
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:45,040
so the administrative fee,
the only thing that would cover it

594
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:51,200
wouldn't it wouldn't get us into
profitability, which I'm fine with, but

595
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:56,480
as PJ said, it it'll help us track who
owns what and how they intend to use it

596
00:45:52,800 --> 00:46:00,960
better because we we really that wasn't
happening very well. Uh, so this would

597
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:07,440
be an improvement either way, aside from
the the money side of it. Um,

598
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:13,520
I do
I I would like to get an idea if

599
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:17,119
you think it should be worth the time to
transfer it and cost more. And you and

600
00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:20,640
you said $20 for
>> I'm leaning down towards that end. I um

601
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:25,040
he's got
>> I lean more toward actually getting our

602
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:29,040
whatever our administrative cost would
be. you know, if it's $50 or $75, that's

603
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:34,000
what it costes and that's what you
charge them.

604
00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:37,920
» I want to say I looked at this briefly
and there was a they put a time frame on

605
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:43,760
it like 5 years for example where there
was no cost because the the our cost

606
00:46:41,119 --> 00:46:47,920
didn't rise during that period but then
afterwards 20 years down the road this

607
00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:54,480
is where it played in and you were able
to recapture some of that that

608
00:46:49,839 --> 00:46:58,560
difference in inflation so to speak. Um,
>> well, how many, roughly speaking, how

609
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:02,640
many of these transfers do we have a
year?

610
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:08,240
» Well, there was a couple recently and
that came up in the latest cemetery in

611
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:12,800
Brogio we had here.
>> We talking two or three?

612
00:47:09,839 --> 00:47:18,400
» There was at least those two. And
we you don't know. Uh,

613
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:22,319
there's still the occasional burial over
here, you know.

614
00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:26,160
» Yeah. But I'm I'm saying I'm saying it
it's not a make or break situation for

615
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,400
the township. It's not like
>> I don't think so.

616
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:31,359
» We're doing 50 of these a week. You
know, it's like

617
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:34,880
» it's when you take a deed out of one
person's name and put it in another

618
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:39,599
person's name. In the past, it would
just require a tear up and a new deed

619
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:45,280
with no mention of any cost whatsoever
because there wasn't any. Now, we're

620
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:50,880
going to put a small fee on there. I'm
emphasizing small, but uh just to create

621
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:54,839
a paper trail as to why this guy doesn't
own it now and this guy does.

622
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:15,280
Do you want to table it and review what
the other townships are doing or do we

623
00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:19,359
just want to
we can't see this? And do I have the

624
00:48:17,119 --> 00:48:23,280
only copy of this?
>> I think that might be prudent is just

625
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:26,000
let's talk to somebody township. Let's
see what they're doing.

626
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:32,720
just so we know, you know, what our
options are and what's I mean, if you

627
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:36,800
find, you know, if you if you pull 16
townships and 15 of them are doing it

628
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:40,800
one way, then,
you know, that might be an indication of

629
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,520
the direction we might
>> What your mother tell you when everybody

630
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:46,628
else is jumping off a cliff, you're
going to jump, too. [clears throat]

631
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:54,640
» I think it's a good idea. find out what
other townships are doing and why

632
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,160
they're doing it the way they're doing
it.

633
00:48:55,040 --> 00:49:01,359
» Oh, [clears throat] there you go. We've
got something to go with that.

634
00:48:59,839 --> 00:49:05,040
» All right. Do we want to just put this
on the agenda and aim to settle it at

635
00:49:03,839 --> 00:49:13,200
the next meeting?
>> I would say that would be just fine. Um,

636
00:49:10,559 --> 00:49:20,839
what I'll do is pull the data and send
it to you to

637
00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:20,839
three ahead of time. Add to agenda.

638
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:26,440
find data. Okay.

639
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,200
Okay.

640
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:49,119
I wrote all over this example, but I
suppose we can put up the the transfer

641
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:53,839
form example as well. [clears throat]
That's a reminder that's not in my

642
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:57,440
notes. Just to to change topics
and I did not talk to Miss Blazer about

643
00:49:55,920 --> 00:50:03,200
this.
It is generally common practice. Um, a

644
00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:08,800
lot of administrators, administrative
assistants, um,

645
00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:12,880
can become a notary. And I'm bringing
this up because on this form that I

646
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:16,640
didn't make, it has a spot for notary
seal and signature. [clears throat]

647
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:21,040
Um,
I'm a notary, but I'm I'm not in here.

648
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:27,520
Um,
would we be willing to, if again, Miss

649
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:31,920
Blazer was willing to become a notary
out of Giaga? Um, it's common practice

650
00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:34,240
that the townships pay for it.
>> Yeah,

651
00:50:32,319 --> 00:50:38,079
» it's maybe 150.
>> I have no problem.

652
00:50:35,359 --> 00:50:43,440
» Yeah, I don't remember if Nancy was a
notary when she got here when she was,

653
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:48,079
» but I know she was when she left here.
So, I'm a long I'm a notary also. But

654
00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:51,200
again, I'm part of most of the contract.
So it's like

655
00:50:48,720 --> 00:50:58,960
» that's a good point.
>> They they frown on that when you start

656
00:50:54,960 --> 00:51:04,000
» you know authorizing your own signature.
>> What's involved with becoming a notary?

657
00:51:01,599 --> 00:51:08,240
» It's you go and read the pamphlet with
some of the important

658
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:12,640
uh what you can do and mainly what you
can charge or most notaries don't really

659
00:51:10,319 --> 00:51:15,920
charge for the service it's set.
[clears throat] And um there's a

660
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:19,599
computer in the law office in the
basement. It's probably moved now that

661
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:23,520
it's the building's changed. And you go
through and if you pass [snorts] there's

662
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:27,839
a background [clears throat] check sort
of deal that goes to the Secretary of

663
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:29,520
State. They clear you and then you you
become a notary and you buy your stamp

664
00:51:29,119 --> 00:51:36,319
or
>> we would buy that stamp. Yeah.

665
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:42,079
» Um okay. So I'll make a motion. I was
looking up the price real quick just so

666
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:48,400
we can for notary cost.
just settle that. Well, actually,

667
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:53,040
» how do we phrase it? If she doesn't want
I don't want to I don't think we

668
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:55,040
» she's already expressed a interest in
>> Okay.

669
00:51:53,440 --> 00:52:02,040
» becoming a notary, so I don't think
that'll be a problem.

670
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:02,040
» If if she's watching now,

671
00:52:02,319 --> 00:52:07,839
» it'sine, call us.
>> $130

672
00:52:05,599 --> 00:52:12,400
is the the jo side of it. I do believe
there's probably a couple other fees

673
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:19,040
like a they're probably minor. I would
think it's under $200 in total

674
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:25,040
» mileage whatever. So make it 300 bucks.
>> Yeah. I don't think it will get to that

675
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:31,599
and we'll just uh cover it. Yeah. So,
um, I'll make a motion for Christine

676
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:39,040
Blazer if if she so chooses to, uh, want
to become a notary through Giaga, uh,

677
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:45,440
for the state of Ohio. And, um,
up and

678
00:52:41,839 --> 00:52:49,200
we will pay for that uh, to a budget of
$300.

679
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:53,839
I just put in there. She's got to get
some uh stamps

680
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:58,160
and
>> the hand stamp. Plus, I'd get like a a

681
00:52:56,559 --> 00:53:01,359
rubber stamp that's got the information
her information on it.

682
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:02,681
» The ink one that shows up on the
printer.

683
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:08,240
» Yeah, because it'll show up
[clears throat] better than the So,

684
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:10,400
» that should be about Yeah. $50.
>> 300's enough, you think?

685
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:16,720
» I think I think it will.
>> How long are they good for?

686
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:22,720
» Uh four years they get renewed. So
included in the same motion um and we'll

687
00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:28,960
cover the renewal fees. Thank you. Uh at
the four-year window and I believe that

688
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:32,480
that ends up being less.
>> It's right around the same.

689
00:53:31,359 --> 00:53:36,319
» Sorry ma'am I couldn't hear you.
>> It's right around the same

690
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:39,680
» 130 again. Yeah.
>> Closer to two.

691
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:41,119
» Okay. So we have a motion there.
>> Yes, we have a motion.

692
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:44,319
» Yes, sir.
>> I will second that motion. PJ,

693
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:45,280
» yes.
>> Riley,

694
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:48,920
» yes.
>> Michael,

695
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,920
» yes.

696
00:53:51,119 --> 00:53:57,200
» Sorry, I got off subject. So, that was
pertaining to this document about lot

697
00:53:54,800 --> 00:54:02,400
transfers at the cemetery and it shows
notary signature, notary seal. So, we'll

698
00:53:59,359 --> 00:54:07,359
be a step ahead. Uh, if and when we do
adopt a lot transfer form and we leave

699
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:11,680
that on there as a requirement, we'll be
on the right track now. So, that's good.

700
00:54:10,079 --> 00:54:16,720
Um,
so that's it for the cemetery report.

701
00:54:15,839 --> 00:54:21,599
» Okay.
>> Fire proof. Fire proof.

702
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:25,040
» All right.
So, trustee and fiscal officer reports.

703
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:34,880
PJ, what do you got?
>> Not a whole lot, but uh I will uh

704
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:39,440
mention that uh road department was out
uh several times for a lot of tree

705
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:44,079
downs. uh tree [clears throat] falls
late last weekend, early this weekend.

706
00:54:42,319 --> 00:54:47,920
Uh
got some use out of our chipper. We had

707
00:54:45,839 --> 00:54:52,559
one tree that was so big that uh we
ended up having to cut it up and remove

708
00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:59,359
it on from sight there. Couldn't just
push it off. Uh

709
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:05,599
talking talking to people is at the fair
as you tend to do and uh it's also that

710
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:09,680
time of year. Uh, couple of people
thought maybe their street light was

711
00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:14,400
out, but the illuminating light at an
intersection.

712
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:17,119
Um, Messenger and Stafford came up. I
think that's been reported. I don't know

713
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:20,240
that it's been fixed.
>> I did that one. It did get fixed uh

714
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:25,520
right away.
>> Lady at the fair mentioned uh Taylor May

715
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:29,920
and Mun and then she wasn't sure because
she hasn't been out after dark that

716
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:34,480
often. So, she'd take a look. So, I got
Christine putting something on the

717
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:38,000
Facebook page. If everybody agrees that,
you know, if you see if you think your

718
00:55:36,559 --> 00:55:43,119
street your illuminating light at an
intersection is out, please notify us so

719
00:55:41,359 --> 00:55:45,920
we can, you know, get the proper
>> a good idea.

720
00:55:44,079 --> 00:55:50,160
» Company fix that. The other one was D. I
think Derby Shire and 44 was one they

721
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:53,359
were complaining about. [clears throat]
>> PJ, is that just Township Roads or is

722
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:58,559
that state highway?
>> Uh, one of the main is that

723
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:05,280
» we pay for those.
>> Okay. We pay for those. Uh yeah, there's

724
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:09,440
uh the state does not very much at all.
They do the freeway interchanges if

725
00:56:08,048 --> 00:56:15,040
[snorts] if there's lights there. I
don't recall. Um but no, they don't put

726
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:18,720
street lights up. That falls to the
local authority.

727
00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:23,119
» Obviously [clears throat] illuminates
44.

728
00:56:20,319 --> 00:56:27,599
» Yeah. Well, and and Taylor May. So I
mean like

729
00:56:25,119 --> 00:56:29,599
» any lights are out, let us know. week.
>> They still have to let them know.

730
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,440
» That's what she's putting.
>> We're not calling up and saying we're

731
00:56:30,720 --> 00:56:33,760
going to pay for them. We're just
letting you know like

732
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:38,400
» that's what she's putting on Facebook.
Uh there's a there's probably I'm going

733
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:44,240
to say there's in the neighborhood of 40
lights out there that we're paying for.

734
00:56:41,119 --> 00:56:49,839
And uh they're almost entirely located
at street intersections

735
00:56:46,799 --> 00:56:55,760
of bigger roads. 44. I think we pretty
much got everything where our township

736
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:58,760
roads cross. I think we did that at MUN.
Uh

737
00:56:58,799 --> 00:57:06,079
I think we did them here.
No, that's not true. We don't we haven't

738
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:12,400
done them every single subdivision to
the west here. But we do have some up.

739
00:57:08,799 --> 00:57:16,960
Uh and that's something that uh CI used
to do gratus. All we had to do is

740
00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:22,640
request them and short period of time
they'd put them up. Now they bill us for

741
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:26,880
those. So that whole parameters changed,
but uh we're going to maintain what we

742
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:31,559
got there. You see them out, let us
know. We'll we'll get them fixed.

743
00:57:32,319 --> 00:57:40,079
Um oh, one more thing is once again, I
think this might be the fourth or fifth

744
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:47,599
straight meeting, we're buying mower
parts for the roadside mower. Uh we're

745
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:51,760
going to look into replacement of that
unit. Uh,

746
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:55,920
I'd like to think we don't have to
replace the tractor cuz the problem is

747
00:57:53,520 --> 00:58:02,640
not the tractor. It's been chronic with
the seals and uh hydraulic motors and

748
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:07,200
pumps and and everything else, but it's
been chronic is the word. We've had a

749
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:13,520
lot of issues with that. You know, we
got uh staffing's pretty good. Dad does

750
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:17,440
a great job with this. Uh but we can't
keep the thing together. So, you've been

751
00:58:16,079 --> 00:58:21,119
here long enough. At the end of the
year, the wish list of what do we need

752
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:24,319
in the service department?
>> Definitely make sure that gets on there.

753
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:30,359
» That's one. Yeah,
>> that's all I have.

754
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:30,359
» Okay, Riley.

755
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:40,799
» I emailed uh Christine about the street
light cuz the the one on messenger and

756
00:58:38,079 --> 00:58:44,720
Stafford you mentioned got fixed like
six weeks ago.

757
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:49,180
» Okay. And I only asked her, did we get a
bill? You, Mr. Ratza, you'd see a bill

758
00:58:47,359 --> 00:58:54,000
come in from CDI for a a one-off
[clears throat] like that, like a light.

759
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:57,920
» I just didn't hear.
>> We didn't used to. We did not used to.

760
00:58:56,000 --> 00:59:04,480
» I didn't get a separate bill. I know we
we get one bill already. Ohio Edison

761
00:59:01,359 --> 00:59:07,200
bills us for one street. I think it's on
crackle

762
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:11,280
» for the repair or just the use
>> just the the normal use. And that hasn't

763
00:59:09,359 --> 00:59:17,119
I didn't see an increase. And those are
flat fees like [clears throat] $8.

764
00:59:13,359 --> 00:59:21,040
» And then there's another on our normal
illuminating company bill, we're charged

765
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:24,240
roughly
$670

766
00:59:23,119 --> 00:59:28,240
a month.
>> That's a bunch of lights though.

767
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:33,040
» Yeah, that's everything combined. I
again I haven't seen anything that

768
00:59:31,119 --> 00:59:36,400
increase that because I would probably
question it if it jumped.

769
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:40,640
» I'd say shush, don't mention it because
CI is likely to start bill likely to

770
00:59:38,319 --> 00:59:43,119
start billing us for repairs. So yeah,
>> they didn't used to.

771
00:59:41,599 --> 00:59:45,920
» They must be slipping the repairs in
under the

772
00:59:45,359 --> 00:59:50,160
» right though.
>> Those lights or are we running those

773
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:53,839
lights?
>> We don't own them. See, I put some up

774
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:56,400
and make sure they work.
>> Maybe covering the cost of repairing

775
00:59:56,000 --> 01:00:00,400
them.
>> The the first thing to clarify did state

776
00:59:58,799 --> 01:00:04,000
roads versus county roads versus local
roads. The county and the state roads.

777
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:10,319
Can we assume we don't pay for those at
all? You cannot assume that because we

778
01:00:06,079 --> 01:00:14,160
pay for those at Stafford and 44,
Taylor man 44 down here

779
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:15,839
» and 44.
>> Does it matter where the light's

780
01:00:15,119 --> 01:00:17,920
sitting?
>> No.

781
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:22,319
» The one on Stafford isn't considered.
>> State won't pay for them.

782
01:00:20,559 --> 01:00:25,760
» So my question is the one on Stafford,
is that a township light or is that a

783
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:31,520
state route light?
>> That's township light. We're paying for

784
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:36,480
it. State won't pay for those.
>> Right. So, so

785
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:40,559
I'm assuming it's only township roads
that we would be responsible for. Just

786
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:44,160
to clear that up. We probably don't pay
for county or lights that are on the

787
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:50,319
state routes or the county roads.
>> Well, where we're putting them up is at

788
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:55,599
intersections. So, Stafford and Mun,
that would be our light.

789
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:58,160
I don't know if there is one at Franks
and Mun.

790
01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:01,440
» So, if there was one that wasn't at an
intersection, the state would pay for

791
01:00:59,599 --> 01:01:04,480
it. Is that an intersection? If the
state decides township pro, then the

792
01:01:03,359 --> 01:01:10,240
township pays for it.
>> Like what about the one on Washington

793
01:01:06,559 --> 01:01:15,119
that that's adjacent to Long View Trail?
>> It's it's on Washington Street, but

794
01:01:14,079 --> 01:01:18,400
it's it's
>> intersecting with the county road.

795
01:01:16,559 --> 01:01:21,520
» It's where our entrance to the
development is.

796
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:24,160
» Theoretically, we would based on what we
just discussed, we would pay for that

797
01:01:23,599 --> 01:01:27,920
» even though
>> because the reason it's there is because

798
01:01:26,079 --> 01:01:31,720
the township road, otherwise it wouldn't
be there. Okay.

799
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:42,400
Yeah, we did a uh with the fire
department, we did a townshipwide survey

800
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:48,799
back in the 90s which uh uh they
prioritized where we might want to put

801
01:01:45,359 --> 01:01:53,920
up some inter uh street light
intersection lights.

802
01:01:50,960 --> 01:02:00,720
Um I think they came up with a list of
20 or so [clears throat] from what I can

803
01:01:56,240 --> 01:02:05,839
recall. And back then CI as it was at
the time did not bill you. You put your

804
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:12,640
request in and within a matter of months
they would put those lights up at no

805
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:15,839
cost. They bill you then monthly for
you know

806
01:02:13,839 --> 01:02:20,640
» I can't remember and the cost to put
those in the that they came up with was

807
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:27,440
not insignificant. Well, the last one I
remember was Derby Shire in 44 and we

808
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:32,079
didn't that wasn't one the township
requested, but the residents came to

809
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:38,079
several meetings and they wanted a light
there. Uh we thought we the board hadn't

810
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:42,000
realized at the time because we hadn't
put up a a street light in quite some

811
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:45,280
time.
CI or illuminating company or whatever

812
01:02:43,839 --> 01:02:50,000
they're going by, they changed their
policy. Now, the cost of that

813
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:55,040
installation is borne by the township or
whoever requests it. So, I think Mike I

814
01:02:52,559 --> 01:02:56,319
remember that was close to 2500 or 3,000
bucks.

815
01:02:55,440 --> 01:03:00,480
» Yeah, it was real money.
>> Yeah.

816
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:03,520
» And uh after that,
well, we certainly didn't put them up at

817
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:06,520
the rate we used to.
>> No.

818
01:03:09,873 --> 01:03:11,893
[clears throat]

819
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:20,520
if we can just email them for a summary
of how that works. Um, all right.

820
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:31,359
Where do we want to start? So,
it took a while, but the

821
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:36,000
uh fencing, all the broken pieces uh
have been replaced at Adam Hall. Uh, so

822
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:41,520
that was we were eagerly awaiting that
for about 3 months. Uh, Auburn Fence

823
01:03:39,039 --> 01:03:46,559
Fence did it. They did a great job.
They've been very busy, so it took a

824
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:51,119
while. Um, did everybody I have a a
video showing all the new pieces, but

825
01:03:49,359 --> 01:03:56,240
um, everybody here knows what a fence
looks like, so I'll spare you.

826
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:58,799
» Um, also for Adam
>> build for that.

827
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:01,680
» I saw the check. Yeah.
>> Yes. 2900.

828
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:04,720
» 2910. Yep.
>> It looks good. I was gonna I was gonna

829
01:04:03,119 --> 01:04:08,799
message you and find out why it wasn't
done because they were all falling out,

830
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:13,839
but looks good now. just a lot of a lot
of people needed fence work this summer,

831
01:04:10,319 --> 01:04:20,480
so we patiently waited in the list. Um
but yeah, so that is that's done. Um

832
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:25,520
Miss Pruny
from Giaga Soil and Water sent us a

833
01:04:22,559 --> 01:04:31,119
letter because the chainsaw course that
they held at Hall and up at the cemetery

834
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:36,720
where they cut trees down. Um
and they wanted to thank us

835
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:40,319
for hosting.
So they sent she sent this on August

836
01:04:38,559 --> 01:04:44,400
25th.
On behalf of GSWCD, I would like to

837
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:49,760
thank you for your use of the facility
and assistance with the 2026 chainsaw

838
01:04:47,119 --> 01:04:54,799
safety classes. Adam Hall is beautiful,
comfortable space, ideal location for

839
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:58,400
natural resource education programs.
Thanks for all you have done to maintain

840
01:04:56,720 --> 01:05:02,960
and provide this wonderful community
asset. We greatly appreciate your

841
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:07,680
willingness to wave the rental fee and
deposit to make this venue possible for

842
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:12,400
our educational programming.
Throughout the planning

843
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:16,400
of our chainsaw classes, the Auburn
Township staff and trustees were

844
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:22,079
incredibly help helpful, responsive, and
accommodating to ensure our questions

845
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:27,039
were answered and our needs were met.
Your willingness to provide the Shady

846
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:31,039
Side Cemetery property trees
for the hands-on portions was critical

847
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:36,160
to the success of these workshops and
was especially generous. We can't thank

848
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:40,960
you enough for going the extra mile to
assist us with locating and securing

849
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:46,079
this location. Even during the event,
the presence of your building attendant

850
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:51,039
Sarah and visit visit by Mr. Davis
welcomed us and provided additional

851
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:54,160
peace of mind. Again, we are most
appreciative of your commitment to this

852
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:58,640
facility and for your continued
partnership and support.

853
01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:06,720
So, Gail Pruny, uh, the education
specialist, sent that. So, that's a nice

854
01:06:01,599 --> 01:06:13,720
segue to our nice building there, and
I want to hammer out the details of the

855
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:13,720
roof.

856
01:06:13,839 --> 01:06:21,200
So we don't
I don't have the numbers in front of me

857
01:06:18,799 --> 01:06:25,359
but
people love the building but the

858
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:29,839
building itself is not profitable. We
don't rake in money from residents and

859
01:06:28,319 --> 01:06:37,599
weddings and events and things like
that. So the taxpayers generally

860
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:42,079
will supplement the the costs associated
with this facility. I just want to get

861
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:47,520
that out there. So, when a major
overhaul comes up from

862
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:51,359
such as the roof, which we've got to
we've got to decide what we want to do

863
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:57,119
with it. Um, at the last meeting, if you
remember, we left off um

864
01:06:55,280 --> 01:07:00,559
the
I was going to take the route of a

865
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:04,960
bidding process because it was likely
the cost would be over the threshold,

866
01:07:02,799 --> 01:07:09,440
which is around $80,000.
Um,

867
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:14,960
it's complicated. There wasn't a lot of
time to do it. I didn't have and so I

868
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:19,599
thought if we want the money's allocated
but not enough if we did the whole roof

869
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:24,720
anyways
if we want to accomplish this task this

870
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:29,920
year
just addressing about half of the roof

871
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:35,760
which is the problem would be the
solution and it would be significantly

872
01:07:31,839 --> 01:07:40,880
cheaper. Um Mr. Kavanagh's concern was
he referenced it to asphalt work and

873
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:46,640
called it patching Uh but the issue at
hand is we don't have enough money

874
01:07:43,119 --> 01:07:52,720
allocated for a full roof.
It would it would be a poor use of

875
01:07:50,319 --> 01:07:57,599
taxpayer funds because the other parts
of the roof are not that old. Um and

876
01:07:55,680 --> 01:08:03,200
we're still addressing the core problem
that's been a problem for 20 odd years

877
01:08:00,799 --> 01:08:08,559
or since it was built really. So money
has been dumped into it prior with re-

878
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:16,960
roofs or new roofs and we're still at
the same point. So I inherited this

879
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:21,600
this year. Um I know last year quotes
were presented for re- roofs which again

880
01:08:19,759 --> 01:08:27,600
would have solved the issue. So where
we're at I have a quote that addresses

881
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:33,359
the problematic area which is the main
center part of the building. The history

882
01:08:29,839 --> 01:08:37,600
was they kept part of that structure and
built around it. The engineering staff,

883
01:08:36,239 --> 01:08:44,880
whoever it was that designed the
building, it wasn't done properly for

884
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:48,080
venting and exhaust. So, that problem's
always existed and there's an air

885
01:08:46,239 --> 01:08:52,719
handler in the attic. So, it creates a
lot of heat. The heat's not being

886
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:58,719
drafted properly. The proposed idea from
a local roofing company was to do a cold

887
01:08:55,520 --> 01:09:03,359
roof or is to do a cold roof.
They'll strip off the old roofing,

888
01:09:00,719 --> 01:09:06,480
inspect for bad, rotted out pieces of
plywood as there may be along the edges

889
01:09:05,199 --> 01:09:11,759
because that's where the ice dams were
occurring.

890
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:18,400
And over top of that plywood,
install a new piece of plywood that has

891
01:09:16,319 --> 01:09:22,759
insulation, ribbed insulation on the
bottom side. What that allows

892
01:09:23,199 --> 01:09:35,120
down on the the eaves,
the air will draft through those ridges

893
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:41,759
to the ridge vent on that portion. This
will allow the deck to stay frozen so we

894
01:09:38,719 --> 01:09:46,239
won't get ice dams. the ice dams. The
heat was coming out so fast that it was

895
01:09:44,159 --> 01:09:49,759
creating ice where it couldn't run off
into the gutters or off the building and

896
01:09:47,839 --> 01:09:54,480
it was forcing its way under the the
shingles and even through whatever ice

897
01:09:53,199 --> 01:09:58,400
guard they have there cuz I know they
have a ton of ice guard with all these

898
01:09:56,400 --> 01:10:02,880
attempts to fix it and somehow it still
managed to get through. That's how much

899
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:09,840
water there was. I was personally there
several times inspecting it. Um

900
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:14,800
when when there were hundreds if not
thousands of pounds of ice along about

901
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:19,760
120 line linear feet of the building.
Let's say 60 ft on each side. That's

902
01:10:17,679 --> 01:10:24,719
where the problem area is. That's where
the proposal is to fix it. [snorts] At

903
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:30,159
this point,
we have several options off of this

904
01:10:27,440 --> 01:10:36,560
scope of work. We can look for other
contractors that want to assess it and

905
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:40,800
tell us what they think. Um
I think we're all on the same page. We

906
01:10:38,239 --> 01:10:45,120
don't want another
standard roof job because we've had

907
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:48,719
three or four of them.
>> That's that's my opinion. Yes.

908
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:54,560
» And that it just doesn't work. [snorts]
Um the alternative would be

909
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:59,679
I know it was brought up to lift the
roof so it can be better insulated, so

910
01:10:56,800 --> 01:11:06,000
to speak. Um, [clears throat] I would
only guess that that cost would be

911
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:10,800
really high. Uh, just to just to do a a
partial, you're looking at, you know, in

912
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:16,560
the ballpark of $80,000
just to address what's broken to do the

913
01:11:12,480 --> 01:11:20,800
whole roof. I mean, this I think it was
a little more than half, but if it came

914
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:26,000
to be near double that at $150,000,
we can't we can't and won't recoup that

915
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:29,679
through Reynolds. It just the math
doesn't math. And that's okay because

916
01:11:28,239 --> 01:11:33,679
people love the building. We love the
building. We hope everybody uses it and

917
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:37,840
uses it safely where water isn't pouring
down the walls and blowing apart the

918
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:44,560
paint and the drywall tape. That's what
we have now. So,

919
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:48,960
I'm I'm all ears on whatever direction
you want to go. I'm confident that this

920
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:52,960
company can do the job. I'm sure there
are other companies that can do the job.

921
01:11:50,480 --> 01:11:57,280
We have the time. But what I want to
clarify is we don't have the money

922
01:11:54,480 --> 01:12:03,120
allocated for the full type of this work
based on this.

923
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:07,120
And some of the bids or quotes last year
were pushing the same amount just for a

924
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:10,800
re- roof. The higher the higher end
quotes I believe approached 80,000.

925
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:16,560
» Yeah, they're about 45 to 80.
>> The cheapest one was 45 45 60 and 80,

926
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:22,800
let's say. So for the price of that 80,
we can address the core issue. I asked

927
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:27,199
about matching. Um, the shingles are
supposed to match where it's not

928
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:30,400
noticeable or hardly noticeable. Of
course, there's samples ahead of time we

929
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:33,600
can see. I'll go up there with a ladder
and lay it like this and show you a

930
01:12:31,679 --> 01:12:39,840
picture. It's not not not a hard task to
do. Um, so we have options with the the

931
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:44,960
details of it, but the the big picture I
I need a decision on. I need I need a

932
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:49,280
couple minutes to where we can dial this
down and figure out what we want to do

933
01:12:46,239 --> 01:12:53,679
with all those facts known.
Well, I was impressed with the

934
01:12:50,960 --> 01:13:01,440
presentation we got for the cold flow
roof. It's uh uh technology that's not

935
01:12:59,920 --> 01:13:05,760
» should work in my opinion.
>> Seems like the most logical course of

936
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:12,960
action for that problem we're having.
>> It would be far less expensive than

937
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:17,760
changing the pitch of that roof,
taking the top off and building a new

938
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:22,640
top. you know, this this is has the
potential to get the job done. I'm not

939
01:13:20,159 --> 01:13:31,600
interested in doing half of it at all.
I'm not uh this needed to be uh set up

940
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:36,080
as a bid package uh through revised code
through the prosecutor's office. That

941
01:13:34,159 --> 01:13:38,719
did not happen, Riley, for some reason.
I don't know why.

942
01:13:37,199 --> 01:13:42,640
» Well, I can I can tell you because I
have it all timestamped.

943
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:47,040
Um,
for several reasons, the prior

944
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:52,239
administrative assistant was unable to
help me and would not help me. So,

945
01:13:49,440 --> 01:13:55,520
» you could have called me
>> to [clears throat] build it out.

946
01:13:53,360 --> 01:14:01,120
» No, to find this assist, this help that
you're whining about not having.

947
01:13:57,679 --> 01:14:04,960
» I'm not whining. I asked for a solution
and um

948
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:10,159
I'll just present it without your help
because let's not forget for 20 years

949
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:13,679
you haven't been able to fix this. you
you've been here the whole time. So, I

950
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:17,280
inherited this decisions.
>> We've already had that discussion. Get

951
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:21,360
get
>> I know you're defending Mr. Shavanagh.

952
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:26,159
» Um but he just said I'm whining. So, I'd
like to point out that I'm inheriting

953
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:29,120
this 20-year issue as of January. And
the administrative assistant

954
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:31,280
» fixed across the street yet. And you've
had that one since you've been here,

955
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:34,000
too.
>> What's that fix it, General?

956
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:37,600
» The sophet across the street.
>> I went over there. I can't find any

957
01:14:35,199 --> 01:14:41,360
sophet
from here. You want to show me after the

958
01:14:39,440 --> 01:14:44,640
meeting? I'm happy to look at it. You Is
it under the walkway?

959
01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:48,480
» Back into this building here.
>> Right over the doorway. We've had this

960
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:52,159
issue. You've already discussed this.
Make your motion. You want your friend

961
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:54,080
to do this. Let's do it. Get it done. Be
done. Move on.

962
01:14:53,040 --> 01:15:00,800
» I appreciate you.
>> What percentage of the

963
01:14:56,880 --> 01:15:07,520
does this cover the the fix?
>> Um I believe it was around

964
01:15:04,159 --> 01:15:13,520
half the square. I I'm happy to confirm
that.

965
01:15:09,679 --> 01:15:20,400
» So if we do one half of the building,
>> that would take care of the problem. The

966
01:15:16,159 --> 01:15:26,239
other half doesn't need
resurfaced or

967
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:31,199
at this time. Is that right?
>> Correct.

968
01:15:28,239 --> 01:15:37,760
All that roofing is
newer. Um, and it's not forcing water

969
01:15:35,199 --> 01:15:42,560
down the walls
and we don't

970
01:15:40,239 --> 01:15:46,800
So, 58 square [clears throat]
uh you said you had the information on

971
01:15:45,199 --> 01:15:52,960
the
quotes for

972
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:54,800
uh re-roofing the entire building.
>> I do. I don't

973
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:57,280
» previous quotes.
>> I don't have them with me. They were

974
01:15:56,000 --> 01:16:00,000
hard copies, so I don't have them in my
email to pull up.

975
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:03,719
» I just want to see how many squares they
were quoting on that.

976
01:16:04,239 --> 01:16:11,280
» So, we could [clears throat] do half the
building now, fix the problem for the

977
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:15,679
winter under 80,000, and then if we
needed to next year or the do the other

978
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:20,080
half.
Is that accurate?

979
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:24,800
» That is. And the the other half, so to
speak, would not be the cold roof

980
01:16:22,480 --> 01:16:27,600
technology. It'd be standard roofing.
Okay.

981
01:16:25,199 --> 01:16:31,520
» So the because it's not required or
necessary. The the root problem is

982
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:38,960
contained [clears throat] on the two
linear runs on the west and east side of

983
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:45,360
the main hall. The gazeos, the addition
in the back corner um

984
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:50,080
over the peak on the backside. None of
that has any trace of damage inside the

985
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:56,400
building or freezing issues because it
doesn't have um the big three-foot

986
01:16:54,239 --> 01:17:01,840
overhangs running on those those
portions. So, it it actually makes a lot

987
01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:08,080
of sense
uh considering the situation we're in.

988
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:11,600
Um but Mr. Kavanagh, you you had the
bids last year. You did nothing and it

989
01:17:09,440 --> 01:17:15,520
damaged the building. So, we have a
solution here for 2026.

990
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:19,440
So for
>> I don't know what I'm whining about. I'm

991
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:23,440
trying to get this done. Nancy wouldn't
help you. You didn't have enough help.

992
01:17:21,679 --> 01:17:27,280
» You asked equate that to whining.
>> I have proof of it.

993
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:30,239
» So for 70 is that what it this is?
76,000.

994
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:35,520
» Correct.
>> You know, I think from what I have

995
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:40,159
appropriated that would fit into our
budget for the remainder of the year. I

996
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:42,640
double that would not be feasible this
year.

997
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:46,560
» No, we have no to apply to. That's why
we've been putting that reminder on

998
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:51,280
there. I checked with uh [clears throat]
>> um

999
01:17:48,159 --> 01:17:55,199
the NOEC rep and it energy efficient
roofing. Oh, we we asked about it the

1000
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:57,360
last meeting. The gentleman was here two
meetings ago. He said, "Of course it

1001
01:17:56,800 --> 01:18:01,199
applies."
>> Is that's the 14,000?

1002
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:07,600
» 369. Correct.
70 76 minus 14.

1003
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:11,280
» Okay. So that that money is available.
So

1004
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:13,440
» 62.
>> Okay. before we get too far field on

1005
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:17,520
this.
>> Aesthetically,

1006
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:20,159
» uh, looking at the
>> I [clears throat] couldn't hear you.

1007
01:18:18,480 --> 01:18:24,800
Sorry.
>> Actually, with a different roof, the the

1008
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:29,360
cold roof or whatever it is, how would
it look aesthetically on the on the

1009
01:18:26,480 --> 01:18:33,199
building itself, would there be like a a
difference in

1010
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:37,440
» Yeah, the I don't know the exact height,
but it's it's not as tall as you think.

1011
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:40,640
Uh, let's say an inch and a half.
>> So, you'd almost want to budget for next

1012
01:18:39,199 --> 01:18:44,880
year through the other half. just making
the

1013
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:51,840
» well the section they're doing it won't
you won't notice the difference

1014
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:56,640
as as they mold them together
essentially on the different transitions

1015
01:18:55,199 --> 01:19:00,080
from the peaks and the eaves and that
you it won't be noticeable at that

1016
01:18:58,159 --> 01:19:03,600
height. If it was if we were raising
that whole roof a foot or something like

1017
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:08,000
that then yeah there's going to be some
>> Is there going to be flashings on the

1018
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:12,080
transitions?
the job is complete to where it's going

1019
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:16,480
to be operational. So, if flashings need
added or special breather vents to get

1020
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:21,199
that air to draft all the way up to the
ridge, uh that's all included. It's it's

1021
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:25,520
turnkey to make sure that we don't
continue to damage the building like the

1022
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:31,679
last 20 years, Mr. Cav.
>> Yeah. What does this do to stop the melt

1023
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:36,239
at the peak of the roof which is
displacing that water down to the eaves

1024
01:19:34,239 --> 01:19:38,960
at the edge of the building where the
ice dams are forming? What does this do

1025
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:45,679
to stop that?
>> So, the ice dams will not form because

1026
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:49,199
currently the heat's escaping
>> through the peak.

1027
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:51,679
» No, we don't have a peak problem. We
have

1028
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:55,520
» Yes, we do.
>> There's pictures of that. There's no

1029
01:19:53,360 --> 01:20:02,080
snow on the roof at all. And there's 18
in of ice at the wall.

1030
01:19:57,440 --> 01:20:07,360
» So, this this this creates a cold deck,
which is the idea for everyone's roof.

1031
01:20:05,199 --> 01:20:12,480
You want the deck to stay a uniform
frozen temperature. If it doesn't, where

1032
01:20:09,679 --> 01:20:17,120
the heat is escaping, the water can
freeze and refreeze quickly and create

1033
01:20:14,239 --> 01:20:22,000
an ice dam. And then the water is is
held on the roof and it pushes back in

1034
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:27,600
underneath the shingles down your walls.
In this case, the cold roof from start

1035
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:33,360
edge gutters all the way to the ridge.
To answer your question, stays the same

1036
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:36,000
temperature. So, you're not going to see
>> uh excess melting here or no melting

1037
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:42,159
there.
>> What What does this do to solve the heat

1038
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:45,920
loss near the peak
>> and 15 ft either direction or 20 ft

1039
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:49,760
either direction? What does this do to
stop that?

1040
01:20:46,719 --> 01:20:52,760
» So, we're creating draft that we don't
have.

1041
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:57,440
So, when you have heat loss,
>> you're putting insulation down on the

1042
01:20:55,679 --> 01:21:03,840
roof before you put the cold roof on.
>> There's a gap. the there's it's ridged

1043
01:21:00,159 --> 01:21:08,480
so it creates a draft from the from the
bottom to the ridge to answer your

1044
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:15,520
question as directly as I can.
>> Any heat that's escaping will be drafted

1045
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:18,640
out of that ridge because we're creating
a draft that it doesn't currently have.

1046
01:21:17,841 --> 01:21:22,560
[clears throat]
The engineering problems, all the

1047
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:27,440
problems over the last 20 years, the
problem has been that the roof isn't

1048
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:34,159
staying cold uniformally. So what we're
doing is adding a roof on a roof. So we

1049
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:38,080
can we can force that draft to happen
all the time. So it doesn't matter what

1050
01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:42,080
the heat loss is here or there or there
or there. It's going to be drafted out

1051
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:47,520
the ridge. So you're not going to get
the ice dams cuz the snow is not going

1052
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:51,760
to melt on above the insulation.
>> So how is it we're talking about just a

1053
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:56,719
half measure and just doing half the
shingles. We're going to take up the

1054
01:21:53,920 --> 01:22:00,239
shingles off the peak and reuse them. I
I'm no

1055
01:21:57,360 --> 01:22:07,280
» I I I I like the idea of this cold flow
roof if we do it in its entirety

1056
01:22:04,159 --> 01:22:10,239
in in in the half measure. I can't
support it.

1057
01:22:08,159 --> 01:22:13,520
» We don't have the money, PJ, to do it in
>> we do it next year.

1058
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:17,360
» Well, then you're going to suffer with
the more damage this year. So,

1059
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:21,199
» we do it next year. So, when the calls
come in that somebody like I went down

1060
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:24,719
there and there's an event and there's
water pouring in the windows and down

1061
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:27,920
the walls
and I have to go down there. Hey, let's

1062
01:22:26,159 --> 01:22:31,960
mop this up. I'm really sorry. Which I
did on several occasions.

1063
01:22:32,159 --> 01:22:36,719
Do you want to run down there instead?
>> I think I did that for about 20 years.

1064
01:22:35,679 --> 01:22:39,520
So, you know, it's been
>> You should have just fixed your problem.

1065
01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:42,800
» I'm done. And that's what I'm attempting
to do. And you're trying to do a half

1066
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:46,960
measure
now. So, I wouldn't consider it a half

1067
01:22:44,480 --> 01:22:49,199
measure since it's going to address 100%
of the issue

1068
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:52,080
» to look at here, but I got to wait for
them to stop bickering. So,

1069
01:22:50,480 --> 01:22:57,600
» we don't have leaks. I want to be very
clear. We don't have leaks anywhere else

1070
01:22:55,600 --> 01:23:03,360
except those linear runs west and east
side because of the bad engineering when

1071
01:23:00,239 --> 01:23:07,679
it was designed 20 years ago. So, if we
address the problem, which is within

1072
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:11,280
budget and it's a now solution, we're
not going to get water blowing into the

1073
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:14,960
building through this winter. And it
does. It pushes through the window

1074
01:23:12,639 --> 01:23:18,320
sills, down the drywall. Tape's blown
out. There's stains. We can't You're not

1075
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:22,800
We're not even going to paint the
ceiling or do any touch-up work until we

1076
01:23:20,480 --> 01:23:29,760
know this is rectified because otherwise
it's just going to keep happening. The

1077
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:36,560
» let Mike
throw in there for a second. Um before

1078
01:23:32,719 --> 01:23:42,400
we get too far a field, um this is the
correspondence from Chrissy Ry.

1079
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:44,800
Um, it was relative to the question that
was proposed.

1080
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:48,360
» I can put it up there if it's easier. We
can just read it.

1081
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:55,800
What's the date you got?
>> Uh, July 21st.

1082
01:24:14,639 --> 01:24:17,639
Okay.

1083
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:44,080
So, I don't know what you want to
summarize, but in July, we agreed

1084
01:24:41,679 --> 01:24:49,920
uh to see if the prosecutor would review
and advise on an invitation to bid.

1085
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:54,480
And uh
she said on the timeline, it would be

1086
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:58,719
very difficult. I see your proposed
legal notice. Do you have all the other

1087
01:24:56,000 --> 01:25:03,520
documents referenced? Um, how did you
calculate the estimate?

1088
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:06,920
So, yeah, we have all this.
>> Scroll down.

1089
01:25:10,719 --> 01:25:13,719
» Uh,

1090
01:25:16,159 --> 01:25:21,920
that's that's the first email out for
me.

1091
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:24,159
» Okay. The
>> Yeah, that part. That's the first part

1092
01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:29,040
of it.
>> That was the first part. I'm getting

1093
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:32,440
down to her response
on the 24th.

1094
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:41,040
» It's probably this one. [snorts]
21st.

1095
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:44,040
» 24th.
say

1096
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:51,719
that's a

1097
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:57,920
» Yeah, that was just some of her
recommendations, I guess. Let me see.

1098
01:25:57,120 --> 01:26:02,560
24.
>> Why don't you just read it?

1099
01:25:59,679 --> 01:26:08,000
» Yeah.
>> Would you go ahead just read it?

1100
01:26:06,480 --> 01:26:11,280
I have it. Very [clears throat] small.
Okay,

1101
01:26:08,239 --> 01:26:11,280
» that's it.

1102
01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:19,199
All right. Um, I'm just going to read
read it along here. I can't summarize

1103
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:23,760
everything at the moment without taking
some time to respond. And I don't want

1104
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:28,800
to delay you from taking steps to get an
example to work from. My best

1105
01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:32,159
recommendation on the place to start may
be asking some surrounding townships

1106
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:37,120
that have done similar work recently for
a copy of their bid docs. Bainbridge or

1107
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:42,480
Russell could be a good place to start.
I don't have any townships that

1108
01:26:40,159 --> 01:26:48,239
worked this recently. So I don't have
any examples myself to work from. These

1109
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:50,960
are different animals. Okay. Uh there
are a number of steps that need to be

1110
01:26:49,679 --> 01:26:56,800
followed. It is important to have all
the documents in order prior to going

1111
01:26:53,760 --> 01:27:01,120
out to bid. But as just one example, I
want you to have a draft of the contract

1112
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:06,800
for work as part of your bid document so
that anyone bidding on the project is

1113
01:27:04,159 --> 01:27:11,600
doing so on the exact terms the township
wants. This makes the contract and award

1114
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:15,840
process much simpler.
You have also you also have to have a

1115
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:20,719
process for questions to be asked and
answered to registered biders prior to

1116
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:24,960
the bid due date. I'm not sure this was
intended by a draft, but you can't just

1117
01:27:22,719 --> 01:27:29,679
have individuals call township contact
to have questions answered because that

1118
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:35,760
can give competitive advantage to the
person or entity. Also, the and this is

1119
01:27:32,639 --> 01:27:39,280
the key thing working with this also the
company that provided the township with

1120
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:44,159
an estimate for the work very likely
cannot bid and be awarded the project

1121
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:48,480
for the same competitive advantage
concerns. Please keep that in mind for

1122
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:54,960
the future if there's any thought the
project could exceed the bid threshold.

1123
01:27:52,800 --> 01:28:00,239
Now just looking at at this from the
outside it's like

1124
01:27:57,199 --> 01:28:06,480
well my friend's company can't bid on it
but if we drop it below the bid

1125
01:28:02,480 --> 01:28:13,120
threshold I can give him the work anyway
and now he's not bidding. So the point

1126
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:17,520
is
my vantage point has got Jimmy Deborah

1127
01:28:15,440 --> 01:28:21,199
written all over it. I'd want to put
this up before we even consider it. Say,

1128
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:25,679
"Okay, this is what we're doing. Send
that to the prosecutor's office with

1129
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:30,880
this in mind to make sure that that this
is legit and that we we could do this.

1130
01:28:28,719 --> 01:28:32,560
We want to go forward with anything that
is even looks questionable on the

1131
01:28:32,239 --> 01:28:36,560
outside.
>> Looks questionable. you guys have all

1132
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:41,840
the scope of work stuff and we should
probably just get some other quotes

1133
01:28:38,719 --> 01:28:47,440
because to be honest as a resident he
wanted to help and do a favor. Um let's

1134
01:28:44,800 --> 01:28:51,040
just find somebody else. Not a big deal.
>> Just for just forget it all together. At

1135
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:54,880
least we know what's going on. That's
like half the battle cuz we didn't have

1136
01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:59,920
a clue what was going on for a couple
decades. So we're a step ahead here and

1137
01:28:56,880 --> 01:29:05,440
we have a little bit of time. So let's
switch gears. Do we want to

1138
01:29:03,440 --> 01:29:09,120
advertise on Facebook or do you just
want to throw something on the website?

1139
01:29:07,440 --> 01:29:12,480
How do you want to reach out to other
contractors?

1140
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:15,920
» Well, this is totally fine.
>> I feel in a way I feel bad for him

1141
01:29:14,239 --> 01:29:19,520
because he's done
>> he's done a lot of favors for us.

1142
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:22,400
» A lot of free work. He's he's got good
ideas,

1143
01:29:20,159 --> 01:29:24,080
» but if you don't like the optics,
>> I mean,

1144
01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:26,639
» I'm totally fine with
>> you, like I said,

1145
01:29:25,199 --> 01:29:30,320
» you know, that's fine. We we have we
have to look at how things look from the

1146
01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:35,679
outside and that just
>> you know like I said I have to you know

1147
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:40,320
I have no problem with um
>> even still looking at this but um I

1148
01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:46,320
think this is what we're going to have
to I I personally haven't seen any

1149
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:49,199
additional solutions other than this to
take care of the problem that we've got.

1150
01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:54,560
» Yeah we
>> I'm not a roofing expert.

1151
01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:59,920
seems to make the most sense and even
doing the partial now and then whatever

1152
01:29:57,520 --> 01:30:04,800
else we have to do next year to keep it
from happening

1153
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:11,920
that would be fine. So, if we can put a
description of it on our uh Facebook

1154
01:30:08,639 --> 01:30:16,639
page or something, somebody who's um
familiar with cold roof technology who

1155
01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:21,760
would be willing to take a look at our
situation and [clears throat]

1156
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:26,639
um
>> So, do you want to give me the same full

1157
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:30,320
access to the Facebook that you have?
>> Because I don't I don't have it.

1158
01:30:28,960 --> 01:30:33,520
» That's why I don't do this stuff. No,
she doesn't have full access. I checked.

1159
01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:36,480
only you do.
>> I can help you give her full access if

1160
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:39,840
you want.
>> You can Yeah, I can I can show you what

1161
01:30:38,719 --> 01:30:44,639
I've got on my thing. And
>> I I know I know exactly how it's set up.

1162
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:50,239
You have full access from Miss Doleazol
and that's it. And she has partial

1163
01:30:47,440 --> 01:30:52,800
access and you have to know how to
change it in your phone.

1164
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:57,520
» Yeah, no problem.
>> Okay.

1165
01:30:54,320 --> 01:31:04,159
So then with that in mind, once she gets
full access, I can help her and I'll

1166
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:09,600
have full access and I can put the scope
of work and the ideas behind this

1167
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:12,719
together and ask for other contractors
to

1168
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:16,960
take a look at it. And I'm happy to go
down there and show them all the same

1169
01:31:14,639 --> 01:31:19,199
stuff that we've already investigated.
>> And just to let you guys see your

1170
01:31:18,159 --> 01:31:23,280
research there,
>> I graduated with Jimmy Demora.

1171
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:28,320
» Yeah. I'm trying to find the connection.
Uh because you I'm I'm trying to figure

1172
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:30,080
out what the connection to to myself is.
Oh,

1173
01:31:28,480 --> 01:31:35,513
» you got to be of a certain age.
>> Oh, no. I

1174
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:39,400
» I just can't put it together. I mean,
[clears throat]

1175
01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:39,400
» yeah,

1176
01:31:39,440 --> 01:31:46,719
» he got like favors and stuff like to be
honest.

1177
01:31:42,719 --> 01:31:50,880
» I mean, this guy's a highly respected
local roofer and he's never done

1178
01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:55,600
anything for me. So in the the I just I
your your quote about this looking like

1179
01:31:53,120 --> 01:31:59,280
Jimmy Deore is odd to me cuz I I
>> looking like how it would how it can be

1180
01:31:57,600 --> 01:32:01,600
perceived. Not that that's this what it
is,

1181
01:31:59,679 --> 01:32:06,560
» right? But in the details I can't make
sense of it how it looks like anything

1182
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:08,880
with him. I I can't put it together.
>> Okay. Well,

1183
01:32:07,440 --> 01:32:12,480
» because I don't I'm not getting favors.
I mean, that was the summary of Mr.

1184
01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:16,239
Dear. You got favors. I'm not getting
any favors. Hey, I'm trying to clean up

1185
01:32:14,239 --> 01:32:20,560
a roof that has a problem in a short
amount of time. When I asked our old

1186
01:32:18,159 --> 01:32:23,040
administrative assistant, she's gone and
I didn't want to lay it all on Miss

1187
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:26,719
Blazer because she just walked in the
door to clean up a bunch of stuff.

1188
01:32:24,719 --> 01:32:30,239
That's the truth. Okay. I started
looking at bid stuff. I'm happy to put a

1189
01:32:28,239 --> 01:32:34,480
bid project together. Time frame doesn't
make much sense and it's a waste of your

1190
01:32:31,920 --> 01:32:41,679
money. Most importantly, it's a waste of
your dollars. So, the better solution

1191
01:32:37,679 --> 01:32:49,040
was to do what's broke, fix what's broke
so we don't have continued damages.

1192
01:32:44,639 --> 01:32:53,280
So, I will try my best to get new
contractors to quote ASAP

1193
01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:59,679
because I know they don't like to shoot
roofs under like 40°. That's coming. I

1194
01:32:56,880 --> 01:33:05,120
don't know who is first.
Well, uh, you know, we get into a bid

1195
01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:10,320
process with government entities like
yourselves, you know, it can get very

1196
01:33:07,679 --> 01:33:14,000
legal very fast. If one competitor feels
that he was in a bad position as

1197
01:33:12,639 --> 01:33:17,679
compared to the other or shared
information, [clears throat] it gets

1198
01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:22,000
complicated. My question is the geog and
I'm kind of going off that letter up

1199
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:26,880
there. Is the Ga
Giaga County have any kind of bid

1200
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:29,840
process that you that could be followed
here? because it doesn't sound like we

1201
01:33:28,159 --> 01:33:35,040
have anything in writing here and maybe
I'm wrong. I'm not hearing it, but is

1202
01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:39,520
there a process that's been approved or
is a standard for use in the county? I'm

1203
01:33:38,239 --> 01:33:43,760
just trying to make sure that no one
gets in trouble here.

1204
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:48,480
» Yes. Above uh I believe it's around 80
or $81,000 now. It's all spelled out

1205
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:51,120
pretty pretty clearly in the Ohio
Revised Code.

1206
01:33:49,600 --> 01:33:55,440
» We've we've never done one. That was my
very first question months ago. We have

1207
01:33:53,199 --> 01:33:59,600
never done one on our own. The county
takes care of them for us for road work,

1208
01:33:57,840 --> 01:34:03,760
but no one at this table knew how to
generate this bid pack. I said, "Well,

1209
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:07,679
is that my job or do I ask Miss Doles
all to do it?" And then it kind of all

1210
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:10,960
went downhill from there. I'm happy to
generate a complex bid pack. I'm

1211
01:34:09,280 --> 01:34:14,560
confident I can do that,
>> but at this point, I need a solution.

1212
01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:18,960
» Um,
>> we have done these uh

1213
01:34:17,920 --> 01:34:22,480
never done one.
>> We hire We

1214
01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:28,080
» This is the guy in Pennsylvania, right?
>> Listen, Mr. Professional. We hire

1215
01:34:24,239 --> 01:34:31,040
project managers to do this.
>> So I don't I don't remember that

1216
01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:35,199
suggestion ever in the last
>> I suggested you it to you at a meeting.

1217
01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:38,560
» Call a guy in Pennsylvania.
>> The guy that's actually the guy that did

1218
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:41,840
project manage.
>> All right. So I'm a couple months behind

1219
01:34:40,159 --> 01:34:43,120
the road department. You're not a couple
months.

1220
01:34:42,239 --> 01:34:46,400
» You're 20 years behind.
>> You're nine months behind. You're 20

1221
01:34:44,480 --> 01:34:49,360
years. We we talked about this in
December.

1222
01:34:47,199 --> 01:34:52,639
» You literally did nothing until July.
You're trying to make yourself look good

1223
01:34:51,040 --> 01:34:55,360
because you failed at this and then
passed it on.

1224
01:34:53,199 --> 01:34:58,320
» I'm going to fix it, right? I have a
solution,

1225
01:34:55,840 --> 01:35:01,440
» Riley. We did the best we could 20 years
ago based on the information.

1226
01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:04,159
» No, he had bids last year and nothing
happened.

1227
01:35:02,239 --> 01:35:07,280
» Can I tried blaming Mr. Mun?
>> As you insist to finish your thought,

1228
01:35:06,320 --> 01:35:11,440
let me finish mine.
>> Well, you interrupted me first.

1229
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:15,760
» Because you're acting like a child.
>> I'm not. I want a solution. Let's go to

1230
01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:20,560
the point that 20 years ago we went with
the best decisions we could make at the

1231
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:26,639
time based on the information. You have
a great idea suggested here.

1232
01:35:24,480 --> 01:35:31,120
It's a new philosophy. It's new
technology

1233
01:35:28,239 --> 01:35:37,040
to make it work. Most roofs only last 20
years, 25 years.

1234
01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:41,360
And it is time to move on to something
different. Okay, we've been talking

1235
01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:46,239
about this since at least March when
Sean came and presented this plan. Okay,

1236
01:35:44,480 --> 01:35:51,440
you've had the opportunity to collect
other quotes, have you?

1237
01:35:48,639 --> 01:35:56,560
» The bid process needed done first.
>> Our old administrative assistant

1238
01:35:54,320 --> 01:36:00,480
out of No, no, I have But you're
accusing me of something. I have the

1239
01:35:58,080 --> 01:36:04,960
paper showing that she would not help.
And then unfortunately,

1240
01:36:03,440 --> 01:36:10,480
» I'm not even going to go there. She's
gone now. Okay. But I can show you no

1241
01:36:08,159 --> 01:36:13,760
problem that I asked thinking, well,
this is maybe something she she'll call

1242
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:16,960
and do this and this this.
>> But we did have this discussion. Hire a

1243
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:19,440
project manager. I don't care if it's
the guy out of Pennsylvania or if it's

1244
01:36:18,480 --> 01:36:22,960
somebody else local.
>> The guy out of Pennsylvania,

1245
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:30,320
» it skip that idea of where he's from.
Hire a project manager to put the bid

1246
01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:36,560
together. Again, referencing him is,
you know, the point is that

1247
01:36:34,159 --> 01:36:41,280
hiring a project manager and and forget
Jim Dixon or whoever it is, you know,

1248
01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:45,280
send out a bid for a project manager,
tell them what we're trying to do. We

1249
01:36:43,040 --> 01:36:49,920
can interview project managers,
>> but we need somebody, like I said, when

1250
01:36:47,840 --> 01:36:52,480
you're doing a bid like this, you bring
somebody in like that because they know

1251
01:36:51,440 --> 01:36:56,560
how to do this stuff,
>> do they? because it's it's in pretty bad

1252
01:36:54,800 --> 01:37:02,159
shape from all the people that built
that building and the three roofs or

1253
01:36:59,600 --> 01:37:04,400
four roofs that you guys both you two
were in charge of all of those roofs

1254
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:07,520
that we wasted.
>> How money are you fighting with? We we

1255
01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:13,040
we as [laughter] a board we've kind of
agreed that this technology is something

1256
01:37:09,440 --> 01:37:18,480
that's likely to work. It It's certainly
worth taking a It's certainly worth

1257
01:37:15,440 --> 01:37:23,199
trying it. Uh so you're fighting with
yourself.

1258
01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:29,679
We're on that same track. I think what
you're hearing is this is going to be

1259
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:34,080
over that $81,000 threshold to do the
whole thing.

1260
01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:40,320
We need to hire a project manager. We
need to meet revised code requirements

1261
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:43,040
across the board. We need legal review.
We need somebody that's done this

1262
01:37:41,679 --> 01:37:46,400
before. You have not.
>> Neither of you.

1263
01:37:44,639 --> 01:37:49,040
» I hired people that knew how to do it,
though. You refused to do that

1264
01:37:47,760 --> 01:37:52,800
» because it's your leaking roof from the
last 20 years. You refused to do that. I

1265
01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:54,320
want to fix it. This is how it's done.
Can you admit that you refused to do

1266
01:37:54,080 --> 01:37:57,840
that?
>> Can you admit that that roof has been

1267
01:37:55,679 --> 01:38:01,440
bad your whole two decades?
>> I think I did it. There's something

1268
01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:05,360
wrong. And it's showing it. It shows you
what's wrong with it.

1269
01:38:02,239 --> 01:38:07,600
» It's been wrong. Here's
>> Yeah.

1270
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:12,320
» Well, he keeps attacking. I got to be
very clear here.

1271
01:38:08,960 --> 01:38:16,320
» This problem is not new. It's so not new
that they had multiple roofs over 20

1272
01:38:14,480 --> 01:38:18,239
years and a bid from last year they did
nothing with. Correct. And then you

1273
01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:22,480
blame Mr. Mu.
>> Can you move forward? Yeah. So, what we

1274
01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:26,560
have in front of us is a realistic
solution this year. As I mentioned, I

1275
01:38:25,119 --> 01:38:30,239
will we're not going with this
contractor. That's fine because of Jimmy

1276
01:38:28,960 --> 01:38:36,320
Demor or something.
>> Then we're going to find similar quotes

1277
01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:42,080
or we're going to let the building leak
again and cause more damage and we're

1278
01:38:40,239 --> 01:38:49,440
going to work on the bid packet through
a GC. Those are our only two answers.

1279
01:38:47,119 --> 01:38:53,280
That's it. So, that's where we're at and
that's what I said 10 minutes ago. We

1280
01:38:51,360 --> 01:38:56,800
have two
I don't like the second solution. It's

1281
01:38:55,040 --> 01:39:00,560
going to cost way more than we allocated
and the building's going to be damaged

1282
01:38:58,239 --> 01:39:06,639
more. We have a viable solution in front
of us.

1283
01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:10,880
All we have to do now is um stay away
from the Jimmy Demora reference. So, we

1284
01:39:09,199 --> 01:39:16,239
just find new contractors through
Facebook and the use of our website. We

1285
01:39:14,080 --> 01:39:19,280
post it tomorrow. hope we get bids,
quotes, whatever it is in the next

1286
01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:23,199
several weeks. If they're all over the
threshold, we go to the bidding process

1287
01:39:21,440 --> 01:39:27,520
through a GC and the building will
continue to be damaged. Is it exigent

1288
01:39:25,360 --> 01:39:31,520
circumstances that the building is
actively leaking and destroying itself?

1289
01:39:30,239 --> 01:39:34,239
I don't know. How far do you want to get
into it? Do you do we agree? We could

1290
01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:38,000
just ask Miss Ryan, "Hey, we have a
leaking building. Can we avoid the

1291
01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:40,639
bidding process?"
I don't know. That's It's in there. I

1292
01:39:40,080 --> 01:39:44,080
read it.
>> It's not leaking.

1293
01:39:41,920 --> 01:39:49,760
» It It does leak. I saw I have with my
own eyes literally it actively leaks so

1294
01:39:47,119 --> 01:39:52,159
bad that I get calls hey we're mopping
the water out

1295
01:39:50,560 --> 01:39:54,480
» that discussion got it
>> I heard you say it doesn't leak that's

1296
01:39:53,840 --> 01:39:58,000
heard that
>> so rather are we going to compensate

1297
01:39:55,920 --> 01:40:02,239
this guy we're throwing his bid out they
came here and

1298
01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:06,080
» free estimates
>> they spent a lot of time get gave came

1299
01:40:04,239 --> 01:40:08,800
here and gave us proposals and stuff if
you're going to pay a project manager

1300
01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:11,360
that's probably not going to fix the
problem

1301
01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:14,800
» that's what's happened traditionally and
they unfortunately They override me and

1302
01:40:13,520 --> 01:40:18,400
that's what they want.
>> I [clears throat] would like to do fix

1303
01:40:16,320 --> 01:40:25,440
the issue at hand without it being more
damaged. I'm going to try. I don't know

1304
01:40:21,440 --> 01:40:29,199
if we're going to get quotes um that
we're happy with or that they can do

1305
01:40:26,960 --> 01:40:32,400
this scope of this project that fast,
but that's step one. You want that to be

1306
01:40:31,040 --> 01:40:36,719
one or you just want to go right to the
GC and cuz you you said you won't do a

1307
01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:39,600
partial. If you stand on that, you guys
overvote me, remember? Do you not want a

1308
01:40:38,480 --> 01:40:44,960
partial at all? We're going to let it
leak all winter. I want you your answer.

1309
01:40:42,960 --> 01:40:50,400
» I want it done right. I'm not.
>> All right, Riley. Your your logic

1310
01:40:47,440 --> 01:40:55,040
equates to hey, my tires only flat on
the bottom.

1311
01:40:52,159 --> 01:40:57,760
» Um, you sir have a barn that collapsed
off the side of the road. So, I don't

1312
01:40:56,320 --> 01:41:00,719
want to hear logic about tires.
>> And you're running an illegal business.

1313
01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:04,960
» What is that?
>> What's under coating in your barn there?

1314
01:41:03,520 --> 01:41:07,989
» So, where are you going with this,
Riley? Where are you going? You're

1315
01:41:06,159 --> 01:41:09,119
fighting with yourself. All right. No.
[laughter]

1316
01:41:08,480 --> 01:41:14,159
» Okay. Well, then
>> that's funny. If we just kind of try to

1317
01:41:11,840 --> 01:41:17,440
» Wait, you got to answer that. You want
Do we want it to leak and look for a GC?

1318
01:41:16,159 --> 01:41:19,520
Cuz you don't want a fix.
>> I don't want to do the whole roof.

1319
01:41:18,639 --> 01:41:25,679
» Yep, I do.
>> So, when it leaks, and it will cuz we've

1320
01:41:21,679 --> 01:41:27,920
estab established that it has a problem.
>> Do a half measure.

1321
01:41:26,639 --> 01:41:30,159
» Do you want to shut it down for rentals
for the winter?

1322
01:41:28,639 --> 01:41:33,760
» It's not going to leak that bad.
>> Oh, really? You want to see some of the

1323
01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:37,119
pictures where there's 10ft water spots
in the middle of the room? I have them.

1324
01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:39,600
Let me I might have been in that
building a time or two. Uh,

1325
01:41:39,040 --> 01:41:42,639
» you just said
>> I want to do it right. So, I want to do

1326
01:41:41,760 --> 01:41:46,080
the whole roof.
>> So, do you want to shut it down for the

1327
01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:48,639
winter?
>> It's on you. This is totally

1328
01:41:47,280 --> 01:41:51,440
» You need to Yes.
>> I want to do I want to do the whole

1329
01:41:49,920 --> 01:41:55,800
» I think we should be prepared ahead of
time knowing it's going to leak.

1330
01:41:56,639 --> 01:42:01,360
» We got time to talk about this.
>> I answered you.

1331
01:41:59,440 --> 01:42:03,520
» Shut it down or not?
I'm not going to shut it down today, but

1332
01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:07,280
I want to do
>> We can't have people renting that

1333
01:42:04,719 --> 01:42:11,520
building. 10 foot water spots where
somebody slips and falls. The There's

1334
01:42:09,760 --> 01:42:14,880
literally stains on the roof or on the
ceiling, the wood swelling around the

1335
01:42:13,679 --> 01:42:16,800
windows, the casing.
>> Make a motion to shut the building down

1336
01:42:16,320 --> 01:42:19,360
right now.
>> This is your idea.

1337
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:22,400
» No, make a motion. Go ahead,
>> sir. This is definitely your idea.

1338
01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:25,760
» Okay.
>> It's very clear. I'm just trying to be

1339
01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:28,960
proactive here cuz
>> Okay. I presented

1340
01:42:27,440 --> 01:42:32,000
» Take a look at
>> again. I'd like to see the whole roof

1341
01:42:30,239 --> 01:42:37,840
done, but no, I don't want to sneak, you
know, have it leak all winter either.

1342
01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:43,920
» If we can do if we can do a portion of
the job, which will be

1343
01:42:40,800 --> 01:42:49,119
not a patch, but the first half of the
job where we can continue it from that

1344
01:42:46,080 --> 01:42:54,000
point and finish it up later, I think
that's worth looking at. So, if you can

1345
01:42:51,360 --> 01:43:01,199
get that posted onto the our social
media

1346
01:42:56,400 --> 01:43:07,199
um and see what we can come up with.
Objective being to do a permanent repair

1347
01:43:04,080 --> 01:43:10,679
in the one spot that will alleviate the
leaking problem.

1348
01:43:12,159 --> 01:43:15,679
» You just said you don't want to do that.
Do you want Are you willing to do that

1349
01:43:14,560 --> 01:43:21,760
if I do all that work?
>> It doesn't matter what he said, Riley.

1350
01:43:17,840 --> 01:43:21,760
Mike said go ahead, do it.

1351
01:43:22,400 --> 01:43:27,600
Just put it up on Facebook. Put it up on
the web.

1352
01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:31,040
» You don't need a unanimous board to do
that.

1353
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:33,679
» Yeah, you don't need just do it.
>> All right. So, step one.

1354
01:43:31,920 --> 01:43:35,440
» Okay. Motion to post it on the Facebook
to

1355
01:43:34,239 --> 01:43:41,960
» and the website.
>> Hey,

1356
01:43:37,280 --> 01:43:41,960
» for the discussion here.

1357
01:43:42,239 --> 01:43:45,440
» Second.
>> I'll second.

1358
01:43:44,719 --> 01:43:47,199
» PJ.
>> No.

1359
01:43:46,480 --> 01:43:48,480
» Ry.
>> Yes.

1360
01:43:47,920 --> 01:43:54,960
» Michael.
>> Yes. Okay, now let's get it moving.

1361
01:43:52,639 --> 01:43:59,600
All right, now on that I think we've had
enough fun and it's getting late and

1362
01:43:57,040 --> 01:44:05,520
people are getting tired and cranky,
which would be me.

1363
01:44:02,960 --> 01:44:09,960
» All right. Um, you have anything else?
>> I do.

1364
01:44:06,480 --> 01:44:09,960
» Oh, okay.

1365
01:44:23,440 --> 01:44:26,440
So,

1366
01:44:33,007 --> 01:44:41,199
[clears throat] I haven't had received
any additional correspondence on this is

1367
01:44:37,920 --> 01:44:49,280
for you, Mr. Ticko. Um,
this the McWinny

1368
01:44:44,880 --> 01:44:52,400
uh dwelling issue. Has there been any
new correspondence? Is there anything we

1369
01:44:51,040 --> 01:44:54,560
should be doing? Are we capped out of
money? Do we need more money? What's

1370
01:44:54,080 --> 01:44:59,199
going on?
>> Hey, you know what? I was going to go

1371
01:44:56,719 --> 01:45:07,280
over that myself here.
>> I'll let Mr. Troy answer.

1372
01:45:02,560 --> 01:45:13,440
» Okay. Um, as you know, I contacted uh
uh Mrs. Crombi uh at the planning

1373
01:45:11,199 --> 01:45:16,840
commission regarding
uh our situation.

1374
01:45:17,440 --> 01:45:20,440
And

1375
01:45:23,520 --> 01:45:30,520
if you remember me bringing that up,
her response

1376
01:45:30,639 --> 01:45:37,520
and this was the question of
um

1377
01:45:35,679 --> 01:45:44,000
our zoning
uh relative to uh

1378
01:45:40,480 --> 01:45:48,239
the McKimney situation matches the
county zoning.

1379
01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:53,840
So my question to them was, is your
zoning right or are you thinking about

1380
01:45:50,880 --> 01:45:59,520
changing it based on our prosecutor's
definition?

1381
01:45:56,400 --> 01:46:04,639
So she responded um in response to the
July 29, 2026 email correspondents, the

1382
01:46:02,800 --> 01:46:10,000
definitions related to dwellings from
Giaga County model township zoning

1383
01:46:06,719 --> 01:46:14,560
revolution resolution are long-standing
definitions and amendments are not

1384
01:46:12,080 --> 01:46:19,440
currently anticipated.
The definitions from Auburn Township are

1385
01:46:16,480 --> 01:46:23,280
similar to the model. Uh, if the
township is interested in changing its

1386
01:46:21,360 --> 01:46:28,400
definitions, please submit an informal
review. Well, we're not. Question was,

1387
01:46:26,719 --> 01:46:32,960
are ours the same as yours? She said
yes.

1388
01:46:30,239 --> 01:46:36,159
Um, for your August 4th additional email
correspondent, your assistant

1389
01:46:34,400 --> 01:46:40,159
prosecuting attorney weighed in on the
matter already. The planning

1390
01:46:38,560 --> 01:46:44,400
commission's assistant prosecuting
attorney advis the township should

1391
01:46:42,400 --> 01:46:48,880
follow the advice from your legal
counsel and this office should not get

1392
01:46:46,560 --> 01:46:52,320
involved in a potential legal matter
especially considering we not have all

1393
01:46:50,639 --> 01:46:56,080
the facts.
So

1394
01:46:54,159 --> 01:47:01,360
our prosecutor didn't agree with our
definition gave it her own definition

1395
01:46:59,679 --> 01:47:09,600
but the county's definition is the same
as ours. Anyway, we're beating a dead

1396
01:47:04,320 --> 01:47:14,880
horse on this. Uh my recommendation to
Frank based on what we've got here is

1397
01:47:12,960 --> 01:47:19,760
um
is to we're not going to put any more

1398
01:47:16,880 --> 01:47:24,719
money toward this. Uh we're not going to
do any more legal proceedings because we

1399
01:47:21,679 --> 01:47:28,639
could spend $50,000
and not guarantee anything's going to

1400
01:47:26,320 --> 01:47:36,080
happen based on the mixed responses I'm
getting from the county.

1401
01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:39,199
So, I would recommend, Frank, that uh
again, as far as we're concerned,

1402
01:47:37,520 --> 01:47:42,639
they're in violation of our zoning. They
won't let us in there to take a look at

1403
01:47:41,040 --> 01:47:48,719
it.
We can't fight that. So, as it sits,

1404
01:47:46,960 --> 01:47:54,080
basically, you have no further action on
this. Basically, just stand down and at

1405
01:47:52,719 --> 01:47:58,800
some point in the future, if we have
some other idea that we can implement,

1406
01:47:56,480 --> 01:48:03,360
that's fine. But right now there's no
nothing more we can do on this.

1407
01:48:02,000 --> 01:48:06,239
» You want a motion because the money
aspect of it?

1408
01:48:05,199 --> 01:48:10,239
» Uh well
>> spend anymore

1409
01:48:09,119 --> 01:48:14,320
is it necessary
>> or we're in general agreement not to

1410
01:48:11,920 --> 01:48:20,239
spend more tax dollars on this. Is that
true?

1411
01:48:14,960 --> 01:48:24,080
» So Frank, uh well we had budgeted the uh
>> $5,000.

1412
01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:28,800
So don't you there's some of that left,
right? Don't even use that up. just stop

1413
01:48:26,639 --> 01:48:33,040
wherever our last correspondence was.
We're done.

1414
01:48:31,199 --> 01:48:37,119
» I don't think we budgeted anything
beyond that $5,000.

1415
01:48:35,040 --> 01:48:39,600
» We haven't hit the 5,000 yet. So,
>> uh

1416
01:48:37,520 --> 01:48:43,280
» we're not even going to go that far cuz
>> don't feel proper to

1417
01:48:41,360 --> 01:48:46,239
» the only thing that could do is if the
5,000 could get us to the point where we

1418
01:48:44,960 --> 01:48:49,040
ended up in court again and that would
take us in needing another 50,000. I'm

1419
01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:54,400
not going to do it. Well,
>> can we allocate the amount back to the

1420
01:48:52,880 --> 01:48:59,280
» what's the wording?
>> Well, we only we budgeted 5,000. We

1421
01:48:56,800 --> 01:49:01,840
didn't give them 5,000 up to
>> it was it was coming out of our

1422
01:49:01,040 --> 01:49:04,000
» general.
>> Yeah.

1423
01:49:02,320 --> 01:49:06,239
» We don't want it sitting there budgeted
though on a motion. We can

1424
01:49:05,600 --> 01:49:08,560
» It's not
>> okay.

1425
01:49:06,880 --> 01:49:12,560
» It just isn't going to get spent.
>> Do we know what we get back?

1426
01:49:11,360 --> 01:49:16,000
» Get back from where?
>> How much we spent?

1427
01:49:14,159 --> 01:49:18,239
» I'd have to look.
when you're ready.

1428
01:49:16,880 --> 01:49:21,520
» I don't know if there's another bill
coming or not. There might be. Is there

1429
01:49:20,719 --> 01:49:27,119
any more?
>> Not that I know of.

1430
01:49:25,040 --> 01:49:29,040
» I think we only spend a few thousand of
it.

1431
01:49:28,000 --> 01:49:32,800
» Yeah. So,
>> I'd have to

1432
01:49:29,679 --> 01:49:38,000
» roughly three. We spend roughly 3500
3,000 whatever.

1433
01:49:35,600 --> 01:49:45,040
» All right. we have x number of dollars
uh appropriated in a legal

1434
01:49:41,600 --> 01:49:49,440
you know for u for attorneys and
accountants if needed. So

1435
01:49:47,119 --> 01:49:56,560
» so you can give us a figure for the next
meeting to see

1436
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:59,960
how much we'd spend on the
out of that.

1437
01:50:01,679 --> 01:50:09,199
All right, cool. That's a big That's a
big win. That's a big win for the

1438
01:50:06,400 --> 01:50:14,560
taxpayers.
Nobody has any questions about that. All

1439
01:50:11,360 --> 01:50:18,080
the that money in that chase to get in
the home and

1440
01:50:16,400 --> 01:50:20,960
take things out. Force them to take
things out.

1441
01:50:18,639 --> 01:50:24,400
» Correction. Correction.
>> Please

1442
01:50:21,520 --> 01:50:30,480
» not get in a home. Get in an into an
accessory building used as a home. Let's

1443
01:50:27,600 --> 01:50:35,040
keep it classified what it is. Riley,
>> let's keep it classified what it is. and

1444
01:50:32,320 --> 01:50:36,719
to get the stuff out to for that was a
big part of this. We're going to force

1445
01:50:36,080 --> 01:50:40,320
them to remove.
>> They won't even they won't even let me

1446
01:50:38,400 --> 01:50:42,480
go investigate to see if the people
moved out.

1447
01:50:41,199 --> 01:50:45,920
» I was still trying to wrap my head
around the goal

1448
01:50:44,639 --> 01:50:47,920
» getting stuff out.
>> It is done.

1449
01:50:46,560 --> 01:50:51,280
» It's done.
>> Done discussion. Excellent.

1450
01:50:49,119 --> 01:50:58,239
» We'll let them go all over the township.
>> Unbelievable.

1451
01:50:53,920 --> 01:51:05,040
» Very smart. Okay. Um, so at the last
meeting we went over

1452
01:51:01,040 --> 01:51:12,239
uh fire prevention stuff and so we we
agreed that it made sense to

1453
01:51:08,159 --> 01:51:18,560
um get time sheets uh cuz it's it's not
it wasn't good that we never had time

1454
01:51:14,159 --> 01:51:24,800
sheets. Um that position is
now the only salaried position. Um, and

1455
01:51:22,400 --> 01:51:31,760
we agreed that by this meeting that we
would draft up some job descriptions.

1456
01:51:27,520 --> 01:51:36,639
Um, we have never had for that position,
I've said this for nine months because I

1457
01:51:33,920 --> 01:51:44,639
I can't wrap my head around it. Um, a
job description or an application or

1458
01:51:41,040 --> 01:51:48,560
um time sheets. And it bothered me
because that position is the highest

1459
01:51:46,400 --> 01:51:53,679
level of public safety that we have in
our in our small group of employees so

1460
01:51:51,040 --> 01:52:00,480
to speak. Um
so what I will do because it is getting

1461
01:51:56,560 --> 01:52:07,360
late I I have generated some mock job
descriptions.

1462
01:52:02,159 --> 01:52:08,880
So I will email them for your review.
Do you have an email?

1463
01:52:08,560 --> 01:52:13,599
» Yeah,
>> it's up here.

1464
01:52:09,679 --> 01:52:17,040
» Okay. Um, [clears throat] I also took
the liberty of generating job

1465
01:52:15,119 --> 01:52:22,000
descriptions for all of our other
positions.

1466
01:52:19,199 --> 01:52:28,480
So, it's it's very lengthy. It's very
complex, but the timing is great because

1467
01:52:26,560 --> 01:52:32,400
we go over all these positions and
salaries in January at the

1468
01:52:29,840 --> 01:52:37,280
organizational meeting. So, if we are
making changes or decide that changes

1469
01:52:34,400 --> 01:52:41,840
are merited, then they line up perfectly
with that meeting. It gives us several

1470
01:52:38,880 --> 01:52:46,400
months to talk about this, review it,
and do what's right for the township.

1471
01:52:43,920 --> 01:52:52,239
Um, it's no secret that not having any
of this data is bad. It's been very bad

1472
01:52:49,280 --> 01:52:57,599
for a very long time, and I am very
proud to be addressing it head-on. I

1473
01:52:55,679 --> 01:53:02,880
think this will be a tremendous move for
the township uh for all the positions.

1474
01:53:00,480 --> 01:53:09,119
Um, I mean, we've been told we needed
this even from obviously from Otarma.

1475
01:53:06,560 --> 01:53:12,719
I mean, as it reads, job descriptions
for each township position are not

1476
01:53:10,719 --> 01:53:17,040
current or we don't have them. This is a
liability risk.

1477
01:53:14,800 --> 01:53:21,360
Job descriptions, and I agree, should be
reviewed by legal prior to adoption.

1478
01:53:19,520 --> 01:53:25,119
Each employee should receive a copy of
his or her specific job description.

1479
01:53:23,440 --> 01:53:29,520
Sign an acknowledgement of receipt
understanding of the job description.

1480
01:53:28,080 --> 01:53:33,440
Job description should be reviewed
annually and updated when necessary. Any

1481
01:53:31,679 --> 01:53:37,119
changes in job description should be
communicated to each employee in

1482
01:53:34,880 --> 01:53:42,800
writing. So, we have time to do all that
correctly. That's the great thing. Step

1483
01:53:40,159 --> 01:53:46,719
one, they are generated. They're
lengthy. They're complicated. You'll

1484
01:53:44,960 --> 01:53:50,800
need a lot of input on them to do it
right. So, I will email them to you and

1485
01:53:49,440 --> 01:53:55,199
for the next meeting, we could put it on
the agenda. Uh it might take a while,

1486
01:53:53,119 --> 01:54:00,480
but we can go through them line by line
and get this right because we've got

1487
01:53:58,159 --> 01:54:03,440
nothing right now. And it's not it's
it's not good. We we know that's not

1488
01:54:02,000 --> 01:54:10,239
good. We're moving past that. We're
going to fix it. Um,

1489
01:54:07,599 --> 01:54:13,440
what do you think about it?
>> Well, when we get them, we'll take a

1490
01:54:11,679 --> 01:54:16,159
look at it.
>> Put on the footnotes version of it. We

1491
01:54:15,280 --> 01:54:18,880
can
>> actually give them to us.

1492
01:54:18,000 --> 01:54:21,440
» I can bring them up, but
>> two hours, but now we're not going to

1493
01:54:20,560 --> 01:54:27,360
look at them now.
>> No. Okay.

1494
01:54:23,119 --> 01:54:29,599
» Didn't Dan ask for this a while back?
>> Yes.

1495
01:54:28,560 --> 01:54:33,760
» Yep.
>> Yeah.

1496
01:54:31,840 --> 01:54:39,599
And did you talk to those employees in
that position to see if your definition

1497
01:54:36,800 --> 01:54:44,880
of their job duties matches?
>> Um, no I did not. Which position in

1498
01:54:42,480 --> 01:54:48,639
particular? Cuz I did talk to fire
prevention.

1499
01:54:46,480 --> 01:54:50,480
» If you have a job description for every
employee,

1500
01:54:49,520 --> 01:54:55,599
» I do.
>> Then perhaps you need to check with them

1501
01:54:52,560 --> 01:54:58,719
to see if that's really what is in their
scope.

1502
01:54:56,480 --> 01:55:02,239
» Yeah, I figured we can check the layouts
of it. I still do believe fire

1503
01:55:00,480 --> 01:55:05,280
prevention is the most important though.
That that definitely needs addressed. Uh

1504
01:55:04,480 --> 01:55:09,679
the other ones are more
self-explanatory. They're more generic.

1505
01:55:07,599 --> 01:55:13,679
Um
those jobs kind of speak for themselves

1506
01:55:11,599 --> 01:55:16,320
a little better. Like the Sexton one,
for example, we never had anything with

1507
01:55:15,040 --> 01:55:20,400
that. Look what look what was going on
in the cemetery. We didn't even have our

1508
01:55:18,480 --> 01:55:25,119
stuff in the building. So, we got we
we've we've moved so far past where we

1509
01:55:22,800 --> 01:55:27,360
were in a lot of these fields that it's
going to be great. It's going to be

1510
01:55:26,639 --> 01:55:31,199
Thank you.
>> Good for you. Let's

1511
01:55:29,360 --> 01:55:33,520
» another project. Okay, we've got them.
We're going to look at them, right?

1512
01:55:32,560 --> 01:55:39,679
» Yes, [clears throat] I do have.
>> What do you have next on your list?

1513
01:55:36,400 --> 01:55:47,560
» Um, this is a big one. I have not heard
any of us talk about fire department

1514
01:55:42,480 --> 01:55:47,560
audit. What that means is

1515
01:55:48,560 --> 01:55:55,760
there's several parts of this. Uh, do we
believe we need one? When's the last

1516
01:55:53,599 --> 01:56:01,119
time we had one? Do we want to allocate
money towards one? and where this all

1517
01:55:58,320 --> 01:56:06,320
stemmed from. Uh there there were
recently problems in Hampton Township.

1518
01:56:03,199 --> 01:56:11,679
That is no secret. Um
that incident has corresponded with the

1519
01:56:09,599 --> 01:56:18,480
county budget hearing meetings uh which
I was at. And the township ahead of us

1520
01:56:15,760 --> 01:56:24,639
which I listened in on their review was
Newberry. Newberry Fire Department is

1521
01:56:21,119 --> 01:56:31,679
structured the same as ours. They are a
private company. um they have not had a

1522
01:56:28,800 --> 01:56:36,159
audit that they could remember. So they
were actively in the process of getting

1523
01:56:33,840 --> 01:56:41,440
an audit because of the things happening
that happened in Hampton unfortunately.

1524
01:56:38,480 --> 01:56:48,960
So I got to thinking,
is it worth it for Auburn? Um I know in

1525
01:56:44,880 --> 01:56:55,040
the paperwork Auburn has
hourly money

1526
01:56:50,960 --> 01:57:00,000
listed in the contract towards auditing.
I'm not sure that that's being done or

1527
01:56:57,119 --> 01:57:03,840
being done properly to the magnitude of
the money that gets spent from the

1528
01:57:01,599 --> 01:57:08,320
taxpayers. So that's this is an
open-ended question.

1529
01:57:06,000 --> 01:57:12,960
Do we want to at least examine and
consider

1530
01:57:10,080 --> 01:57:17,280
an audit like Newberry is
or do we want to verify the audits that

1531
01:57:15,199 --> 01:57:20,000
are already in place? And and maybe one
of you gentlemen from the fire

1532
01:57:18,400 --> 01:57:25,679
department can speak to that. If there's
paperwork with our audits, how many

1533
01:57:22,080 --> 01:57:28,400
hours went into it? $32 an hour, I
think, was the number that's in the

1534
01:57:27,119 --> 01:57:31,280
contract.
>> Yes,

1535
01:57:28,639 --> 01:57:36,400
» I can speak to that. Yes, $32 an hour
was the agreed upon rate to have a fire

1536
01:57:34,560 --> 01:57:41,520
department representative work with an
auditing company [snorts]

1537
01:57:38,080 --> 01:57:44,000
uh to um work through that process. That
was that's what that dollar amount is

1538
01:57:43,599 --> 01:57:46,480
for.
>> Not for them to actually try to do any

1539
01:57:45,520 --> 01:57:53,199
auditing themselves. [clears throat]
>> That is that is being a representative

1540
01:57:49,599 --> 01:57:56,960
to facilitate an audit being performed.
Okay.

1541
01:57:53,920 --> 01:58:03,599
» And we have an outside audit every year.
>> We have a review every year, right? Up

1542
01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:11,199
until the past year. Uh the current um
vendor um does not perform reviews.

1543
01:58:08,480 --> 01:58:18,480
» We talked to that company. They also do
not provide audits. Okay. Um that was

1544
01:58:16,639 --> 01:58:22,320
that was known before we switched over
to that uh vendor.

1545
01:58:20,639 --> 01:58:28,159
uh we've been in contact with that
vendor. Uh they are willing and able to

1546
01:58:25,840 --> 01:58:33,360
offer us a
different vendor who can do an audit.

1547
01:58:31,599 --> 01:58:38,480
our vend our current vendor for the
accounting program says really an audit

1548
01:58:36,239 --> 01:58:43,360
and I'm not opposed to doing whatever
you guys decide to do because [snorts]

1549
01:58:40,719 --> 01:58:49,440
an audit generally unless it's a
forensic audit is not designed to find

1550
01:58:47,840 --> 01:58:53,360
um
losses of that of that magnitude. Again,

1551
01:58:52,000 --> 01:59:00,560
this is coming from our current
accountant. I'm not I'm just relaying

1552
01:58:55,679 --> 01:59:04,560
information to him. uh he did say that
almost more importantly is internal

1553
01:59:02,880 --> 01:59:10,960
controls.
So we did have a meeting between the

1554
01:59:07,280 --> 01:59:15,199
president, the treasurer and myself
where we kind of went down the internal

1555
01:59:12,960 --> 01:59:19,599
controls that the accounting our current
accounting agency offered provided to

1556
01:59:17,760 --> 01:59:23,679
us.
I didn't score it but we do quite a few

1557
01:59:22,159 --> 01:59:27,360
of the things that they've already
suggesting.

1558
01:59:25,199 --> 01:59:32,320
We probably could document some of those
things a little bit better than the last

1559
01:59:29,679 --> 01:59:36,080
that we do. Um, but we're not too far
off the mark and we've talked about

1560
01:59:34,000 --> 01:59:40,159
doing some changes. We have not
performed an internal audit for probably

1561
01:59:38,239 --> 01:59:46,400
the last two years. We used to try and
do it annually. Again, things fall

1562
01:59:42,880 --> 01:59:50,880
through the cracks. Okay. So,
>> yeah, let me see if I got this history

1563
01:59:48,239 --> 01:59:56,000
right. We were with uh for I think more
than 10 years with the district out of

1564
01:59:53,040 --> 01:59:59,187
Burton, a local you were and then Ditri
got bought by NMS.

1565
01:59:57,760 --> 02:00:03,920
» That's it. Okay. And that's where
[clears throat] things started changing

1566
02:00:00,400 --> 02:00:10,080
» and then uh and and Dan was was with us
and went through all that processing

1567
02:00:05,920 --> 02:00:16,880
there. Um the service NMS I believe is a
franchise type of provider. uh our

1568
02:00:13,599 --> 02:00:21,040
service from them became very bad to the
point to where we had a problem with our

1569
02:00:18,639 --> 02:00:25,119
990 filing because they said they sent
something and couldn't prove they sent

1570
02:00:22,560 --> 02:00:29,679
something and that propagated into a lot
of time and effort. Uh we sourced

1571
02:00:27,599 --> 02:00:35,119
Advanced County Solutions out in
middlefield. Um, it was a name that we

1572
02:00:32,560 --> 02:00:39,599
actually got from uh Dan. Uh, the
gentleman who runs that is a fiscal

1573
02:00:37,360 --> 02:00:43,440
officer in
Middlefield Township. I'm sure

1574
02:00:42,480 --> 02:00:47,440
» I think so.
>> Somewhere out there, but he's and he

1575
02:00:45,360 --> 02:00:49,760
works with a number of fire departments.
I don't think he worked in

1576
02:00:48,313 --> 02:00:53,760
[clears throat] Hampton, but he works
with a number of fire departments up in

1577
02:00:51,520 --> 02:00:59,840
in over in that area of the county
there. we felt uh he would be probably a

1578
02:00:56,800 --> 02:01:03,800
pretty good fit for us to provide us
with services.

1579
02:01:04,080 --> 02:01:12,480
» Um just on the financial side of it if
you if you can gather up two years ago

1580
02:01:09,760 --> 02:01:16,400
or more recently any whatever directed
towards financial audit not performance

1581
02:01:14,880 --> 02:01:19,360
or policy and stuff like that.
>> I don't think that I can produce

1582
02:01:18,080 --> 02:01:24,239
anything like that for you.
>> That that's the problem. So just to get

1583
02:01:21,920 --> 02:01:29,360
just to get dialed back into the the
problem at hand. Um

1584
02:01:26,880 --> 02:01:31,599
» I'm trying to be very clear that's
helpful. We probably don't have

1585
02:01:30,639 --> 02:01:34,719
financial
>> make your decision in whatever manner

1586
02:01:33,360 --> 02:01:40,239
you feel fit. So
>> So we So here's here's the issue.

1587
02:01:38,639 --> 02:01:46,639
When the fire departments are set up as
private companies, they

1588
02:01:43,360 --> 02:01:50,639
are able to not have to follow the same
rules as this building, the township

1589
02:01:49,119 --> 02:01:55,920
itself.
Mr. Matzco, correct me if I'm wrong, but

1590
02:01:52,320 --> 02:02:01,199
we we get a financial audit here. They
run tests, they look at things, they

1591
02:01:58,239 --> 02:02:04,880
dive in more into controls, but also
some financials.

1592
02:02:02,960 --> 02:02:10,320
The problem lies a private fire
department if they're exempt from so to

1593
02:02:07,679 --> 02:02:15,520
speak following that, it becomes our
responsibility to oversee the taxpayer

1594
02:02:12,719 --> 02:02:23,119
dollars. So something like Ham does not
happen. Um, if we have no record of

1595
02:02:19,199 --> 02:02:29,199
financial audits, we are negligent
because we're asking, we know it hasn't

1596
02:02:25,360 --> 02:02:33,840
happened, so we should examine what they
cost, how long does it take to get one,

1597
02:02:31,679 --> 02:02:36,880
confirm we haven't had one. All these
questions remain,

1598
02:02:34,880 --> 02:02:42,639
» right? And I I'll be very very forth
with it. you know, our internal audit

1599
02:02:39,280 --> 02:02:47,280
would be several hours of, you know,
some volunteers getting together and

1600
02:02:45,119 --> 02:02:51,520
spot checking. Okay, do you have the
cancelled check for this and matching it

1601
02:02:49,440 --> 02:02:56,159
to the check register or do you have the
invoice for this and and matching the

1602
02:02:53,360 --> 02:02:58,400
check stuff to that? It wasn't uh again,
like I say, it wasn't a forensic audit.

1603
02:02:58,159 --> 02:03:03,760
» Yeah.
>> Okay. and it wasn't a priority, but now

1604
02:03:01,199 --> 02:03:07,280
things are sure changing and and I'll be
honest, I'm understanding it better from

1605
02:03:05,280 --> 02:03:10,880
seeing in that meeting the explanation
about private versus township and and

1606
02:03:09,920 --> 02:03:14,880
how
>> we need to do things like that.

1607
02:03:14,159 --> 02:03:18,320
» Um,
>> is that something we could put in the

1608
02:03:16,320 --> 02:03:23,520
contract for next year?
>> Certainly, we can we can

1609
02:03:20,159 --> 02:03:27,520
» I mean, we we we're audited every every
two years, so I wouldn't

1610
02:03:25,760 --> 02:03:30,239
» And I know there's a cost to doing that,
too. Oh yeah, for sure.

1611
02:03:29,280 --> 02:03:34,080
» It's not it's not
>> it would come out of fire out of the

1612
02:03:31,840 --> 02:03:41,280
fire funds. For sure. But
>> if it's if it's going to reassure the

1613
02:03:37,679 --> 02:03:43,440
» if you guys are asking for it out of the
fire.

1614
02:03:41,840 --> 02:03:49,360
» Yes.
>> I'm going to say legally we can spend

1615
02:03:45,920 --> 02:03:54,159
general fund money on fire prevention
and associated things.

1616
02:03:52,480 --> 02:03:57,440
» I'm I'm just asking. I'm not saying that
it is or not, but

1617
02:03:55,520 --> 02:04:03,199
» I kind of agree with Dan that it
probably logistic logically should come

1618
02:04:00,639 --> 02:04:08,199
out of the fire fund, but legally I
don't think it's it has to.

1619
02:04:05,199 --> 02:04:08,199
» Okay.

1620
02:04:08,560 --> 02:04:18,280
» Anyway, we can we can figure that out,
>> right? That's way down the road. So So a

1621
02:04:13,520 --> 02:04:18,280
couple basic steps. Um

1622
02:04:18,800 --> 02:04:24,880
as less on, do you want to handle that
in its entirety? because I'm I got like

1623
02:04:23,040 --> 02:04:30,000
a bunch of stuff I'm working on. I will
I'm happy to. It's not that complicated.

1624
02:04:27,280 --> 02:04:34,080
» I like counting. I'll do it.
>> Discuss it at the next

1625
02:04:32,480 --> 02:04:37,119
» Our meeting will be next week because
it's an alternate

1626
02:04:35,840 --> 02:04:41,360
» get it on the agenda.
>> Riley, are you trying to do a forensic

1627
02:04:39,119 --> 02:04:43,920
audit or just an audit of internal
controls?

1628
02:04:42,080 --> 02:04:48,960
» So, that's the question I'm asking. Uh
I'm focused on financial, not forensic,

1629
02:04:46,320 --> 02:04:53,040
not digging in and hey, we think this
happened. A detailed forensic. No. Well,

1630
02:04:51,520 --> 02:04:56,480
that's the only way you're going to find
fraud.

1631
02:04:54,560 --> 02:05:00,560
» So,
I it it's my understanding Newberry is

1632
02:04:58,639 --> 02:05:06,000
not having a forensic audit, but they're
focusing on the financial side of things

1633
02:05:02,800 --> 02:05:11,520
because they have a lot of
bad word surplus surplus taxpayer

1634
02:05:09,040 --> 02:05:16,560
dollars sitting and that's part of it.
And they admit they haven't they didn't

1635
02:05:13,679 --> 02:05:20,639
look at their financials [snorts] for a
very long time, if ever, which is kind

1636
02:05:18,480 --> 02:05:26,639
of what I'm picking up in our situation.
So the general discussion here is should

1637
02:05:23,760 --> 02:05:30,719
we how much should it cost who does it
and we're just starting fresh here and

1638
02:05:28,800 --> 02:05:36,320
yes with an emphasis or focus on the
financials and the Hampton timing with

1639
02:05:34,400 --> 02:05:40,800
the budget hearing as I mentioned is
what kind of got multiple fire

1640
02:05:38,960 --> 02:05:45,040
departments talking about this at those
meetings. I was just privy enough to sit

1641
02:05:43,679 --> 02:05:50,480
there and hear it firsthand through
Newberry. Um and we're set up the same.

1642
02:05:48,880 --> 02:05:58,000
We're literally set up the same as them.
So for us to knowingly not have a

1643
02:05:54,880 --> 02:06:02,080
financial audit or any attempt of it
doesn't look good. So I'm not saying

1644
02:05:59,920 --> 02:06:05,679
yes, we need a you know a $100,000
audit. I don't even know the number.

1645
02:06:03,760 --> 02:06:10,800
Maybe do you know what it would it would
cost on a 1

1646
02:06:08,480 --> 02:06:14,719
uh5 million budget?
>> It could be anywhere between 10 and

1647
02:06:12,560 --> 02:06:17,280
25,000 depending on how deep you want to
go.

1648
02:06:15,199 --> 02:06:22,639
» Right. But they're really and truly in
an audit, you're not going to get you're

1649
02:06:20,000 --> 02:06:28,960
not going to find that fraud that Ham
did. It's going to be checking to see if

1650
02:06:25,119 --> 02:06:33,280
they have checks and balances.
>> Yeah, Patty, he's not kidding. That was

1651
02:06:31,360 --> 02:06:37,840
uh I think I said at the eight last
meeting that was the 800 pound gorilla

1652
02:06:35,280 --> 02:06:43,679
in the room was Hampton Fire.
>> Uh that was the focus of that budget

1653
02:06:41,199 --> 02:06:48,719
commission. And that's not just Jaga
County. That's going to be a statewide

1654
02:06:45,440 --> 02:06:53,119
thing. They are going to on volunteer
fire departments. I you can see it

1655
02:06:50,880 --> 02:06:58,719
coming just like the clerk situation in
Chester 25 years ago.

1656
02:06:55,760 --> 02:07:02,000
» There's going to be a major focus that
there is.

1657
02:06:59,280 --> 02:07:06,480
» The thing is that being contracted it it
gives them a caveat to not participate.

1658
02:07:04,560 --> 02:07:11,199
And then we become the eyes that are
supposed to be responsible with your

1659
02:07:08,079 --> 02:07:15,599
money and I I want to do the responsible
thing given everything going on. We

1660
02:07:13,679 --> 02:07:18,960
always want to get better and we haven't
had a background in this. It's really

1661
02:07:17,440 --> 02:07:21,840
that simple. So, I want to get the
conversation started.

1662
02:07:19,760 --> 02:07:25,199
» Financials.
>> You get financials of what's going on

1663
02:07:23,920 --> 02:07:28,320
during the course of the year.
>> Yeah. I'm not going to [clears throat]

1664
02:07:26,719 --> 02:07:32,880
Of course we do. And I look at them, but
I'm I'm not an auditor. I I'm not going

1665
02:07:30,719 --> 02:07:36,320
to be the one to say everything looks
great and then something happens. I

1666
02:07:34,480 --> 02:07:39,199
mean, look at Hampton. People glanced at
their financials. I'm sure.

1667
02:07:38,480 --> 02:07:41,199
» I don't know.
>> You don't know what happened in H? I

1668
02:07:40,960 --> 02:07:44,639
don't.
>> I don't. But we should be responsible

1669
02:07:43,440 --> 02:07:47,679
provided the county advice.
>> Compare Auburn and and Hampton are like

1670
02:07:47,119 --> 02:07:50,960
comparing.
>> I'm not comparing them. That's what

1671
02:07:49,119 --> 02:07:53,599
that's what uh that's what got me
thinking about this.

1672
02:07:51,920 --> 02:07:57,040
» I mean Dan was it how many years were
you treasurer for the fire department?

1673
02:07:56,239 --> 02:08:03,520
» 20
>> 20. And now when you came came over to

1674
02:08:00,560 --> 02:08:07,840
here now Christine's a treasurer. So
>> we we got a pretty [clears throat] solid

1675
02:08:05,679 --> 02:08:11,199
lock on you know who's been doing stuff.
So

1676
02:08:08,639 --> 02:08:16,639
» yes. So a financial audience's an
independent examin examination of an

1677
02:08:14,480 --> 02:08:22,400
organization's financial records and
statements just to verify their accuracy

1678
02:08:19,440 --> 02:08:28,880
and compliance with standard accounting
rules. So I mean that that would just

1679
02:08:25,920 --> 02:08:35,360
give assurance to the township its
residents that everything's being

1680
02:08:31,679 --> 02:08:41,360
followed accordingly. Um it would it
would uh identify areas of maybe concern

1681
02:08:38,719 --> 02:08:45,360
where you could implement controls that
would eliminate any potential

1682
02:08:45,158 --> 02:08:51,840
[clears throat]
>> fraud. It's not a forensic audit which

1683
02:08:48,159 --> 02:08:54,639
is looking in whether trying to find
>> right

1684
02:08:52,560 --> 02:08:56,560
» fraud. The the improvements would
probably be worth it. They're going to

1685
02:08:55,920 --> 02:08:59,679
recommend
>> I noted we had discussed you know

1686
02:08:58,480 --> 02:09:03,599
tightening up some of the [cough]
controls we have. So if this is a, you

1687
02:09:01,920 --> 02:09:07,440
know, a helpful tool to do that, then
yeah, you know, why not?

1688
02:09:05,199 --> 02:09:12,320
» Yeah. Small fire department audits. Um,
depending on, I mean, you I don't know

1689
02:09:10,560 --> 02:09:18,560
that it's alak cart, so to speak, but
depending on what we think we want and

1690
02:09:13,760 --> 02:09:21,280
need, I 2,000 to 10,000 bucks. Um, I
think that's

1691
02:09:19,840 --> 02:09:26,079
» I don't know where you're getting your
information from. If you're looking at

1692
02:09:23,440 --> 02:09:29,119
AI, I would not go buy it.
>> Yeah,

1693
02:09:26,560 --> 02:09:36,960
» you're looking at at least $10,000. I'm
on a nonprofit that doesn't even have

1694
02:09:32,400 --> 02:09:40,639
300,000 and our audits are 8 grand per
year and we do go [clears throat]

1695
02:09:38,320 --> 02:09:44,079
through an audit.
>> So, should we not even look into this,

1696
02:09:42,000 --> 02:09:47,760
you think, or
I don't know what you're saying. Sorry.

1697
02:09:46,159 --> 02:09:54,480
» I'm just saying it might be really
expensive is nowhere near what it is.

1698
02:09:50,560 --> 02:09:57,280
It's more like 8 to 15 to 20.
>> Right. And that's why we're discussing

1699
02:09:55,679 --> 02:10:02,560
this. I mean, I literally open up the
conversation by saying it's something we

1700
02:09:59,520 --> 02:10:07,040
should look into for these reasons and
get an idea. You know, I'm not here to

1701
02:10:04,800 --> 02:10:10,560
battle the cost side of it. It's if they
don't want to do it or I don't want to

1702
02:10:08,639 --> 02:10:13,599
do it or the fire department recommends
not doing it, we'll take that into

1703
02:10:12,400 --> 02:10:18,239
consideration. We have nothing right
now. This is just an initial idea and

1704
02:10:15,679 --> 02:10:21,280
conversation that we can work on for the
next meeting and just make some progress

1705
02:10:20,000 --> 02:10:26,320
in the right direction. And I would say
from what I learned from from Keith that

1706
02:10:24,719 --> 02:10:30,639
no matter what we discuss, it's probably
a good thing. There's not really a lot

1707
02:10:28,560 --> 02:10:35,199
of harm in trying to be more fiscally
responsible with your tax dollars.

1708
02:10:32,480 --> 02:10:38,880
» I can put you in touch with Charles E.
Harris and Associates.

1709
02:10:36,960 --> 02:10:42,079
» They're the ones that do our audit.
>> Okay.

1710
02:10:39,440 --> 02:10:45,280
» Um they they're extremely thorough. They
do a number of the townships.

1711
02:10:44,719 --> 02:10:49,360
» Okay.
>> Audits and

1712
02:10:47,280 --> 02:10:52,320
you you email me the info. Yeah.
>> Okay.

1713
02:10:50,880 --> 02:10:56,079
And again, check with some of the other
fire departments. See you, you know, if

1714
02:10:54,320 --> 02:11:01,040
they recommend somebody who does their
books,

1715
02:10:58,560 --> 02:11:04,560
» especially the smaller ones who don't
have the budget to spend.

1716
02:11:02,960 --> 02:11:09,679
» Yeah. I'm I'm going to say just from
what I'm hearing and seeing as a result

1717
02:11:07,440 --> 02:11:13,440
of this Hampton [clears throat] thing is
we don't do things like this

1718
02:11:11,360 --> 02:11:17,040
voluntarily, we're going to be doing
them involuntarily.

1719
02:11:16,239 --> 02:11:24,239
» I agree.
>> Yeah.

1720
02:11:19,440 --> 02:11:27,639
Um, so that's good. So agenda item,
further research,

1721
02:11:29,040 --> 02:11:32,040
fire

1722
02:11:32,239 --> 02:11:36,199
audit. That's cool.

1723
02:11:43,199 --> 02:11:50,000
Ah, this is a fun one. This is quick.
And then I think we're out of here.

1724
02:11:46,960 --> 02:11:55,280
Let's see. I got to find it though. So,
Mr. Masco brought up a great point.

1725
02:11:53,199 --> 02:12:00,079
Um, unfortunately, there was an accident
out of town hall. Um,

1726
02:11:58,639 --> 02:12:06,480
that was that was really really
unfortunate for for Mr. Blowers and we

1727
02:12:03,840 --> 02:12:10,159
didn't have appropriate striping at the
time anyways cuz the front of the

1728
02:12:07,760 --> 02:12:14,960
building's being or was being redone.
Uh, so he said, "Hey, um, are we going

1729
02:12:12,480 --> 02:12:19,760
to look into getting striping done?" So,
I jumped on it. I think we talked about

1730
02:12:16,639 --> 02:12:24,320
this a couple days ago and um I should
have a couple quotes hopefully in the

1731
02:12:22,960 --> 02:12:31,280
next few days, definitely by the next
meeting. Um but I wanted to verify with

1732
02:12:27,440 --> 02:12:35,040
you gentlemen that
there's only two ways to do it and I

1733
02:12:33,119 --> 02:12:39,040
have pictures of both. But if you
remember way back I showed you a drawing

1734
02:12:36,800 --> 02:12:44,880
and the parking was sideways. This was
the the new upgraded version. What that

1735
02:12:42,639 --> 02:12:48,960
does is it allows
somebody

1736
02:12:46,400 --> 02:12:54,320
to back out and and then get the front
of their car into to exit. Uh too often

1737
02:12:52,960 --> 02:12:57,360
people might feel like they have to back
into that traffic. It's tricky. You

1738
02:12:55,760 --> 02:13:00,159
know, people are turning off the light
or they're coming 50 through there

1739
02:12:59,302 --> 02:13:04,880
[clears throat] and we don't want
anything to happen. So, uh the sideways

1740
02:13:03,119 --> 02:13:08,400
parking
may be

1741
02:13:06,719 --> 02:13:12,560
better if I'm getting these quotes. I
just wanted to not get make them do all

1742
02:13:10,239 --> 02:13:16,239
the work of quoting it both ways. The
cost factor shouldn't really change

1743
02:13:13,920 --> 02:13:21,320
much.
And here is the drawing.

1744
02:13:21,599 --> 02:13:27,880
Where's my mouse?
So, this is important.

1745
02:13:28,239 --> 02:13:34,639
All right. So, let me zoom out. Sorry, I
only have so much space on the screen

1746
02:13:33,040 --> 02:13:37,280
here and there's a lot going on. So,
here's the flag pole about where my

1747
02:13:36,000 --> 02:13:42,000
mouse is. is if you see the bright
orange right here actually. So this is

1748
02:13:40,159 --> 02:13:47,199
the updated proposal for parking.
Everything's measured out. It's not just

1749
02:13:43,520 --> 02:13:54,800
an idea. Um it will fit because the
numbers are are surveyed to match. Um so

1750
02:13:53,119 --> 02:13:58,239
all the proper laws are met. There's
signs that would go here. There's bump

1751
02:13:56,239 --> 02:14:02,239
stops for the cars. This is for if you
have um you know the van door opens and

1752
02:14:00,560 --> 02:14:09,119
you have to come out into this big area
here. Uh this will still allow the snow,

1753
02:14:06,320 --> 02:14:13,599
that's a major concern from um our roads
department, to get pushed through this

1754
02:14:10,639 --> 02:14:17,440
designated area here. Snow removal is
never fun here, but that this is still

1755
02:14:15,280 --> 02:14:20,800
an option, assuming a car is not parked
there during a storm, but we can't do

1756
02:14:19,040 --> 02:14:25,119
anything about that. And then you have
two non- handicap spots, but all four

1757
02:14:23,360 --> 02:14:30,960
should be able to with a couple
maneuvers pull out instead of back into

1758
02:14:27,679 --> 02:14:36,000
traffic. Uh so I think this is smart.
This was the second drawing. The first

1759
02:14:33,679 --> 02:14:40,960
drawing shows vertical spaces with
perpendicular to the building. Um,

1760
02:14:38,960 --> 02:14:45,520
parallel with the building, excuse me.
So,

1761
02:14:43,360 --> 02:14:51,199
do you like what you see? And these are
the quotes I'm going to go after. If so,

1762
02:14:49,280 --> 02:14:56,960
well, yeah, you got to get the handicap
spots right at the bottom of the ramp,

1763
02:14:53,199 --> 02:15:01,440
I'm sure. And uh for those that don't
need handicap spots, that's why we did

1764
02:14:59,199 --> 02:15:04,719
the sidewalk and this parking lot over
here. So,

1765
02:15:02,719 --> 02:15:07,840
» you know, outside of the handicap spots,
R would work.

1766
02:15:06,480 --> 02:15:10,480
» See,
>> yeah, we never had great parking there

1767
02:15:09,599 --> 02:15:12,800
to begin with.
>> No, we didn't.

1768
02:15:11,360 --> 02:15:17,280
» So, we're making the best of what we
got, focusing on the handicap side of

1769
02:15:15,840 --> 02:15:21,920
things, and then, you know, a drop off
zone or two spots there. And then we can

1770
02:15:19,440 --> 02:15:26,480
even throw up a sign saying directly if
people don't know additional parking

1771
02:15:24,639 --> 02:15:30,000
» um here at the admin building, which
it's already commonly used, but there

1772
02:15:28,320 --> 02:15:33,920
are some renters that may not know that
and they pull in and go, what do we do?

1773
02:15:32,239 --> 02:15:38,560
We don't want them going to the the auto
dealership next door. So, we should

1774
02:15:35,760 --> 02:15:42,480
probably direct them via signage to the
additional parking.

1775
02:15:40,560 --> 02:15:46,800
Um,
I don't know if I have an electronic

1776
02:15:44,239 --> 02:15:51,520
copy of the other spaces, but just
visualize they're literally turn 90

1777
02:15:48,719 --> 02:15:54,560
degrees and it's not as functional as
this.

1778
02:15:52,239 --> 02:15:59,119
» Christine said she thought today she saw
some markings that they're going to put

1779
02:15:56,560 --> 02:16:05,199
a crosswalk over here.
>> Be surprised. You know, they did that.

1780
02:16:00,719 --> 02:16:10,880
They striped down here at 44 and uh East
Washington. Actually, it's on 44 south

1781
02:16:07,520 --> 02:16:14,800
of the light. They put two
They put a traffic lane, a pedestrian

1782
02:16:12,880 --> 02:16:19,040
lane there. There's no marking for it or
signage, but there it is.

1783
02:16:16,960 --> 02:16:21,840
» I think if we're got that building
opened up and most of the parking is

1784
02:16:20,560 --> 02:16:23,760
going to be used here, we got to have a
walkway there.

1785
02:16:22,880 --> 02:16:28,000
» Yeah,
>> I um

1786
02:16:26,159 --> 02:16:32,639
I could send that to ODAT with the rest
of the request that I built for Auburn

1787
02:16:31,040 --> 02:16:36,559
Corners. That's done. I just It's
getting late, so that's a very detailed

1788
02:16:34,240 --> 02:16:41,040
project I've worked on. It'll take a lot
of time to go over.

1789
02:16:38,319 --> 02:16:45,359
Um, but you say the words and I'm happy
to throw it in so we're not

1790
02:16:44,160 --> 02:16:47,760
» excluding that.
>> Let them at least do if they're going to

1791
02:16:46,639 --> 02:16:51,679
do a study or if they're going to
finance it, whatever it is. I've got all

1792
02:16:50,240 --> 02:16:53,679
the documents built out. They're super
nice.

1793
02:16:52,000 --> 02:16:59,359
» I mean, that's why we had the walkway
set up here so that we'd have adequate

1794
02:16:55,840 --> 02:17:04,719
parking for the town hall.
>> All right. Add crosswalk language. Those

1795
02:17:02,319 --> 02:17:09,840
yoga classes used to use it, too.
Auburn, Washington.

1796
02:17:08,399 --> 02:17:14,080
That's a lot of notes. All right, so
that's easy. So, and then another agenda

1797
02:17:11,760 --> 02:17:19,599
item. Um, I would like to add the Auburn
Corners improvement paperwork. Um, quick

1798
02:17:17,760 --> 02:17:23,599
summary, the ODOT safety engineer in
Bedford. I spoke with them after

1799
02:17:21,679 --> 02:17:27,519
speaking with a lot of business owners.
Uh, we're basically focused on three

1800
02:17:25,599 --> 02:17:32,960
things for them to at least look at. Uh,
slow down half mile corridor, slow down

1801
02:17:29,599 --> 02:17:37,120
on 44. Um, crosswalks. Them doing the
crosswalks first if they're willing, is

1802
02:17:35,200 --> 02:17:41,280
huge because we always have had the
right to do sidewalks. We're responsible

1803
02:17:39,200 --> 02:17:44,719
to bear that cost. I know I'm going fast
here, but if they do the crosswalks

1804
02:17:43,040 --> 02:17:48,080
first, if they so choose to, our
sidewalks could abut them. You don't

1805
02:17:46,319 --> 02:17:53,040
want to do it the other way around. So,
there's a it's a there's three letters.

1806
02:17:50,319 --> 02:17:58,000
Um, there's plenty of support for this.
Um, but ODOT needs to see the board of

1807
02:17:55,120 --> 02:18:03,040
trustees initiate that request for them
to look into a speed study, for them to

1808
02:18:00,319 --> 02:18:07,359
look into uh crosswalks or flashing
beacons, solar powered beacons, and

1809
02:18:05,200 --> 02:18:10,559
lastly, a right-of-way permission for us
to do sidewalks, which is already

1810
02:18:08,719 --> 02:18:15,280
available, but we don't want to just go
and get quotes and slap sidewalks in

1811
02:18:12,559 --> 02:18:19,519
without having their input on the all
those other important details. So, all

1812
02:18:17,040 --> 02:18:24,639
of it kind of flows together. And this
crosswalk, I will just mix in this

1813
02:18:21,519 --> 02:18:28,319
location um with the Auburn Corners
letter and we can sign off on that,

1814
02:18:26,319 --> 02:18:33,359
package it up really nice, send it to
ODOT, and when we hear back, we hear

1815
02:18:30,399 --> 02:18:37,519
back. Um but how that came to be was I
was asked to work on that

1816
02:18:35,760 --> 02:18:42,639
and I reached out to a contact, a
manager I have at ODOT. He put me in

1817
02:18:39,519 --> 02:18:45,359
touch with the safety engineer and we've
it's done. I mean, the project's

1818
02:18:44,080 --> 02:18:50,399
complete. We just have to review it and
sign it, make changes, whatever. So

1819
02:18:47,519 --> 02:18:56,920
actually I'll email you all that stuff
also

1820
02:18:52,559 --> 02:18:56,920
email Auburn corner stuff.

1821
02:18:57,359 --> 02:19:02,639
So we will be busy next meeting
>> something on paper to look at. The

1822
02:19:00,800 --> 02:19:07,599
county engineer probably ought to see
this but I think they're very much aware

1823
02:19:04,559 --> 02:19:11,040
of what we're doing here. So
>> for this spot

1824
02:19:08,719 --> 02:19:13,760
» yeah because you got two county roads
here.

1825
02:19:12,080 --> 02:19:20,719
» Yeah. before we even sent it to ODOT.
I'm happy to get any input they have and

1826
02:19:15,920 --> 02:19:26,639
CC them. Uh it was my understanding
from talking to ODOT several times. I

1827
02:19:23,599 --> 02:19:29,439
wasn't so sure that the county was I
don't want to use the word responsible,

1828
02:19:28,000 --> 02:19:32,800
but um
>> well 44 is their road.

1829
02:19:31,840 --> 02:19:33,920
» Who is the states?
>> Yeah,

1830
02:19:33,200 --> 02:19:39,200
» correct.
>> These two here are the county

1831
02:19:35,920 --> 02:19:42,479
» county road. the rightway permits are
still generated by

1832
02:19:40,559 --> 02:19:45,200
» I would think the county
>> I don't know

1833
02:19:42,880 --> 02:19:47,280
» there's pretty pretty clear line of
demarcation

1834
02:19:46,000 --> 02:19:49,359
» you might want to check with them first
before you

1835
02:19:47,920 --> 02:19:52,240
» well we just talked about it so sure
yeah we'll we'll just separate that

1836
02:19:50,640 --> 02:19:55,200
letter then they'll send it to the
county if that's what you want that's

1837
02:19:53,680 --> 02:19:57,760
fine
>> just to make sure so we have to go and

1838
02:19:56,640 --> 02:20:03,560
put it in there for the state and then
bank it out because it's wrong road

1839
02:19:59,359 --> 02:20:03,560
» right right that's good

1840
02:20:04,720 --> 02:20:10,960
that.
Well, there's some other things, but we

1841
02:20:08,000 --> 02:20:13,280
will uh we can get to those at the next
meeting.

1842
02:20:12,640 --> 02:20:16,880
Um,
>> is there enough parking space there for

1843
02:20:15,120 --> 02:20:18,560
those cars to back out?
>> Let me zoom in.

1844
02:20:17,920 --> 02:20:22,399
» Bumping.
>> Bear with me one second. Let's I think

1845
02:20:21,040 --> 02:20:26,080
there's there's literally numbers on
there. Hold on. This I want this number

1846
02:20:23,920 --> 02:20:28,399
down here, though. It's 20. What is it?
274 in.

1847
02:20:27,200 --> 02:20:34,399
» 274.
>> So, a car is like 16 to 18 max. A

1848
02:20:31,920 --> 02:20:39,600
Lincoln Town Car is like 20. Uh big
trucks push 20 to 23. Those are all good

1849
02:20:36,960 --> 02:20:42,560
numbers. So 27 hypothetically, if you're
a good driver, you should be able to

1850
02:20:41,120 --> 02:20:47,200
exit your whole vehicle on a little bit
of a swing. And if you have to, you

1851
02:20:44,800 --> 02:20:50,560
know, threepoint it a little bit, it's
it's probably still better than having

1852
02:20:48,720 --> 02:20:54,800
the lines the way they used to be
because we do not want somebody to back

1853
02:20:52,560 --> 02:20:58,240
onto traffic not knowing how sneaky
people come up through there like what

1854
02:20:56,800 --> 02:21:02,080
happened recently. We don't want that.
So this I think this alleviates it and I

1855
02:21:00,640 --> 02:21:05,840
think that's enough room, especially if
it's cars and SUVs. That's a lot of 27

1856
02:21:04,880 --> 02:21:10,640
feet is pretty good.
>> Yeah, it's more than what?

1857
02:21:07,520 --> 02:21:14,720
» Yeah, the minimum. The minimum is 25.
>> So, I think that should be okay. Plus, I

1858
02:21:12,720 --> 02:21:19,120
mean, these these cars well, these cars
can swing real heavy because of this

1859
02:21:17,120 --> 02:21:23,359
because of the and these cars can go
into this if they're decent drivers. So,

1860
02:21:21,359 --> 02:21:27,200
it should work out pretty well.
Unfortunately, it's only four spots, but

1861
02:21:24,960 --> 02:21:31,040
it covers covers the ADA real well. It
covers, you know, handicap, elderly. It

1862
02:21:29,439 --> 02:21:34,800
covers all the protected classes really
well. And that's the goal here of this

1863
02:21:32,960 --> 02:21:39,840
whole project. They come safely right
onto this ramp, right into the building.

1864
02:21:37,439 --> 02:21:43,240
» Has Otama seen the finished ramp?
>> Who?

1865
02:21:40,240 --> 02:21:43,240
» Ot.

1866
02:21:43,760 --> 02:21:49,920
» No, they they wouldn't have.
>> They

1867
02:21:47,600 --> 02:21:55,600
the last risk management I have here,
July of 25. I don't think they do them

1868
02:21:52,479 --> 02:21:59,600
annually. Three years.
They might do them every three years.

1869
02:21:57,359 --> 02:22:03,760
Um,
yeah. Yeah. I'm not sure. I think I mean

1870
02:22:01,760 --> 02:22:06,960
Otara should be really happy relative to
what we had.

1871
02:22:04,479 --> 02:22:09,280
» Yeah. Certainly not annual.
Send them a picture.

1872
02:22:07,840 --> 02:22:12,319
» Yeah. It's a I mean they'd probably This
drawing is great. They probably really

1873
02:22:10,640 --> 02:22:15,120
like what we've done. [clears throat]
>> Yeah.

1874
02:22:13,760 --> 02:22:19,920
» Other than the sophet issue, which I'm
excited to see,

1875
02:22:16,000 --> 02:22:25,359
» but the the ramp I can see an elderly
person moving their walker and they

1876
02:22:22,880 --> 02:22:29,439
catch that bottom rail and they're going
to fall because that bottom rail is not

1877
02:22:27,359 --> 02:22:35,359
up very high. It's required down there
for wheelchairs not to slide off.

1878
02:22:32,319 --> 02:22:41,200
» That's that's that's how the county and
the counties they had the input into how

1879
02:22:38,479 --> 02:22:43,600
this should or needs to be for ADA. This
was reviewed

1880
02:22:42,000 --> 02:22:46,399
» where the kids running up and down that
ramp and they're going to fall right

1881
02:22:44,800 --> 02:22:51,439
through there and off the edge.
>> Yeah. The the what the whatifs

1882
02:22:48,960 --> 02:22:54,560
I mean they could we got a pond at Adam
Hall with no cameras. We got all sorts

1883
02:22:53,120 --> 02:22:58,160
of things
>> doing that that project. I really

1884
02:22:56,399 --> 02:23:01,040
thought that there would be enough rails
in there to prevent that from happening.

1885
02:23:00,720 --> 02:23:04,080
» Okay.
>> That that bottom falling off

1886
02:23:02,479 --> 02:23:07,680
» that the bottom rail would be up a
little bit higher. That yes, it's going

1887
02:23:05,600 --> 02:23:13,319
to stop a wheelchair,
but it's certainly not going to stop

1888
02:23:09,439 --> 02:23:13,319
somebody moving their walker.

1889
02:23:14,640 --> 02:23:22,560
» Yeah. I mean, we definitely hope that
doesn't happen.

1890
02:23:18,399 --> 02:23:27,439
Um I guess we'll keep an eye out. Yeah.
This this is this is good. So,

1891
02:23:24,800 --> 02:23:32,560
» but that's what the building department
recommended. I mean, they permitted it.

1892
02:23:29,439 --> 02:23:38,000
We got a permit from them for the ramp
and the railings, right?

1893
02:23:34,880 --> 02:23:43,760
» I'll tell you what
I wanted to say because it's complicated

1894
02:23:39,760 --> 02:23:47,840
again, but I've built out most of my
salary donation.

1895
02:23:46,399 --> 02:23:52,640
Um, I just didn't want to get into it
tonight with all the other projects

1896
02:23:49,359 --> 02:23:57,280
going on. I will email that also. I know
Mr. Masco briefly looked at it. It's not

1897
02:23:54,720 --> 02:24:04,160
bad, that gets reviewed by our APA as
well. Um, and if it becomes a problem,

1898
02:24:01,600 --> 02:24:09,040
and you I'll just
assuming I can, which I think I can, um,

1899
02:24:07,120 --> 02:24:14,800
after several months, the money should
be there where I I'm happy to finance

1900
02:24:11,200 --> 02:24:19,680
that rail for you and get that done
>> just to look at just to I want to keep

1901
02:24:17,840 --> 02:24:25,200
it safe. I won't even it won't even be a
taxpayer thing like because I for

1902
02:24:22,319 --> 02:24:28,800
citizen resident requests that are
reasonable and if it makes you feel

1903
02:24:27,120 --> 02:24:31,520
better hey that's the whole point I'm
donating [clears throat] back we can use

1904
02:24:29,840 --> 02:24:37,840
it for things I have to check I mean
this no promise but if I can I will

1905
02:24:35,520 --> 02:24:43,920
» I've noticed where those two uh handicap
spots are that the neighbor to the west

1906
02:24:41,120 --> 02:24:48,000
has been parking his vehicles in there
periodically

1907
02:24:46,160 --> 02:24:52,319
» so that that should prevent that.
>> It might help. Yeah, it might help.

1908
02:24:50,800 --> 02:24:55,439
» It gives us a little extra room.
>> Yeah,

1909
02:24:53,040 --> 02:25:00,000
» you got a donation. Okay.
>> All right. No, thank [clears throat]

1910
02:24:56,560 --> 02:25:04,479
you. That's That's a fun one. Um, that's
it.

1911
02:25:02,080 --> 02:25:08,479
» Okay. Any questions for Riley? I didn't
think so.

1912
02:25:05,920 --> 02:25:12,319
» Dan.
Okay.

1913
02:25:10,160 --> 02:25:21,319
Uh, okay. It's been three weeks since
our last meeting. Um, I processed 13

1914
02:25:16,160 --> 02:25:21,319
electronic payments totaling $86,560.33

1915
02:25:22,399 --> 02:25:27,720
and 22 warrants uh totaling 526,778.111

1916
02:25:29,840 --> 02:25:34,280
for a total of $613,33844.

1917
02:25:35,840 --> 02:25:42,720
had two large payments. Uh our
[clears throat] third contract payment

1918
02:25:40,399 --> 02:25:45,720
and final one to the fire department for
$380,873.18.

1919
02:25:48,280 --> 02:25:54,479
[clears throat] And we did get invoiced
for our

1920
02:25:51,920 --> 02:25:55,600
truck. Um I think Are they picking it up
this week?

1921
02:25:54,800 --> 02:25:58,479
» Yes, they did. Yes,
>> you got it.

1922
02:25:56,399 --> 02:26:01,439
» Judco, it's not here, but yes, we're
supposed to be getting it this week. I

1923
02:25:59,840 --> 02:26:07,319
saw that Judco check [clears throat]
>> for 131,000. 31. Yep.

1924
02:26:04,319 --> 02:26:07,319
» $870.

1925
02:26:07,600 --> 02:26:15,600
That includes some type of
add-on. Um

1926
02:26:12,960 --> 02:26:19,359
but um yeah, so that's
>> finally

1927
02:26:16,560 --> 02:26:27,120
» time for the winner.
Okay. Um, anybody who has uh accounts

1928
02:26:23,920 --> 02:26:35,439
with Middlefield probably knows that
um Farmers Bank bought them out and and

1929
02:26:32,399 --> 02:26:42,160
August 21st they transitioned from
Middlefield Bank to Farmers Bank. So I

1930
02:26:38,640 --> 02:26:48,520
have two bank reconciliations. 1 as of
August 21st

1931
02:26:44,160 --> 02:26:48,520
and at that point we had 371,86483

1932
02:26:48,880 --> 02:27:00,720
in our checking and 1 million 32209206
in our star Ohio account

1933
02:26:56,399 --> 02:27:06,479
between August 21st and August 31st
uh I reconciled again for the end of the

1934
02:27:03,120 --> 02:27:12,560
month and at that point we had
1,85745146

1935
02:27:09,439 --> 02:27:19,680
six in our checking and that was due to
us finally getting our um property tax

1936
02:27:16,240 --> 02:27:25,200
advances from the county of roughly 1.4
4 million

1937
02:27:21,680 --> 02:27:31,080
and in Star Ohio we have 1,326
42193

1938
02:27:27,439 --> 02:27:31,080
total of 3,18387339

1939
02:27:33,600 --> 02:27:43,600
still [clears throat] transitioning into
farmers with our remote deposit scanner

1940
02:27:39,760 --> 02:27:51,520
and some a payments and and uh we can
talk about that next meeting. The only

1941
02:27:46,560 --> 02:27:55,680
other minor item I have is um um
and I brought this up to the chief and

1942
02:27:53,600 --> 02:28:02,399
to uh
Christine about getting AEDs in our

1943
02:27:59,760 --> 02:28:09,680
township buildings. I don't know if it's
been discussed or investigated before,

1944
02:28:04,880 --> 02:28:14,479
but um and Christine thought we could
probably lease them

1945
02:28:12,240 --> 02:28:21,280
um and then have them maintained or
inspected the way they would um versus

1946
02:28:18,800 --> 02:28:24,319
purchasing them and then paying
somebody.

1947
02:28:21,920 --> 02:28:30,880
» You talking all kinds of buildings or
>> uh town hall here and Adam Hall

1948
02:28:28,800 --> 02:28:33,840
» about the park? We already got one, I
think. Okay.

1949
02:28:31,600 --> 02:28:35,840
» Didn't that KC seems like it? Yes.
>> Provided that one.

1950
02:28:34,640 --> 02:28:43,120
» Didn't you point it? Yeah, you pointed
it out the other day. Yeah.

1951
02:28:39,359 --> 02:28:48,080
» So, Christine doesn't want to give me um
chest compressions and mouth. She'd

1952
02:28:45,120 --> 02:28:51,560
rather shock me.
>> Wouldn't we all?

1953
02:28:51,920 --> 02:28:58,888
So I she's going to look into uh and
then so by maybe by the next meeting

1954
02:28:58,000 --> 02:29:01,840
we'll have some more information
[clears throat] if the board's

1955
02:29:00,560 --> 02:29:08,000
interested in that.
>> All right. In the interim I'll drop off

1956
02:29:03,520 --> 02:29:13,040
some jumper cables and extension cable.
All right. That's all I got. Okay. Thank

1957
02:29:10,319 --> 02:29:18,000
you. All righty. The open uh old
business no tech energize grant 14369.

1958
02:29:16,479 --> 02:29:25,040
Again we just keep that on as a
reminder. New business county engineers

1959
02:29:21,520 --> 02:29:33,760
address recommendation of 18185
Quinn Road for parcel 01 043490.

1960
02:29:30,560 --> 02:29:37,760
I will make a motion to approve their
recommendation because I don't think

1961
02:29:35,280 --> 02:29:40,080
anybody has any ideas of another number
they'd like to have.

1962
02:29:38,560 --> 02:29:42,080
» Sounds like a good number. I'll second
it.

1963
02:29:41,439 --> 02:29:43,680
» PJ.
>> Yep.

1964
02:29:42,960 --> 02:29:45,040
» Riley.
>> Yes.

1965
02:29:44,319 --> 02:29:50,720
» Michael.
>> Yes.

1966
02:29:47,280 --> 02:29:56,000
No public comment. Good. Say the date.
91026 zoning commission meeting

1967
02:29:53,439 --> 02:30:05,760
administration building 9:21 board of
trustees regular meeting at 7 9:26 fire

1968
02:30:00,080 --> 02:30:10,080
department clam bait 6 to 8 um call 440
343054

1969
02:30:07,439 --> 02:30:15,920
or 216 3751218
for tickets pre-sale only. 105 board of

1970
02:30:13,760 --> 02:30:22,080
trustees regular meeting. 108 zoning
commission meeting. 10:12 office will be

1971
02:30:19,359 --> 02:30:26,000
closed for indigenous people's day.
101326

1972
02:30:23,600 --> 02:30:30,880
BZA regular meeting administration
building at 7:00. 10:19 board of

1973
02:30:28,479 --> 02:30:37,040
trustees regular meeting administration
building at 7:00.

1974
02:30:34,080 --> 02:30:39,359
» Motion to adjurnn.
>> Second.

1975
02:30:38,399 --> 02:30:40,640
» PJ.
>> Yes.

1976
02:30:39,840 --> 02:30:43,680
» Riley.
>> Yes.

1977
02:30:41,120 --> 02:30:45,920
» Michael. Yes. I knew there's going to be
no comments. Everybody's out there

1978
02:30:44,720 --> 02:30:48,920
looking tired like they wanted to go
home.

1979
02:30:53,680 --> 02:30:57,560
» The time is 9:27.

1980
02:31:00,160 --> 02:31:07,920
» Is that tonight or tomorrow morning?
Okay,

1981
02:31:05,040 --> 02:31:11,160
» that is the house on Quinn Hall. Second
one in.

1982
02:31:11,439 --> 02:31:15,359
That's a big house, too. I drove by the
other day. It's nice.

1983
02:31:14,160 --> 02:31:16,960
» They're reumbering.
>> Sorry.

1984
02:31:15,680 --> 02:31:21,520
» Are they renumbering it?
>> No, they they

1985
02:31:18,720 --> 02:31:26,479
» they split the lot two lots.
>> Okay.

1986
02:31:22,720 --> 02:31:30,399
» Build the new house in the old one has
to get a new address.

1987
02:31:28,160 --> 02:31:36,240
» Okay.
>> This is a new This is an engine engineer

1988
02:31:33,680 --> 02:31:40,240
thing with Andy How being up there. I
don't know if he found something on the

1989
02:31:37,680 --> 02:31:46,680
revised code that this has to be done at
all times cuz we're doing it at all

1990
02:31:42,240 --> 02:31:46,680
times. Okay.

1991
02:31:50,399 --> 02:31:53,399
» Sorry.

1992
02:31:54,399 --> 02:32:01,359
» That's good. I just It's not relevant.
>> Well, it's not I said it has the

1993
02:31:59,359 --> 02:32:06,000
appearance of it just
>> again analogy because I have the Jimmy.

1994
02:32:03,840 --> 02:32:09,520
We went to high school together.
to remember that anybody from Bedford is

1995
02:32:09,040 --> 02:32:12,560
going to remember.
>> I feel a bit insulted like you're

1996
02:32:10,800 --> 02:32:15,120
insinuating that I'm taking favors from
the guy. I don't need any favors.

1997
02:32:14,080 --> 02:32:18,560
[clears throat]
>> That's what it sounds like. You got to

1998
02:32:16,399 --> 02:32:23,120
see the optics of your comment.
>> That's why I said

1999
02:32:21,520 --> 02:32:28,000
how it looks.
>> I don't think it looks that

2000
02:32:25,520 --> 02:32:32,720
get it done type of thing or let me in
the office so I can stop the

2001
02:32:30,000 --> 02:32:36,160
» Yes. You got key. We got to get keys for
Okay, there you go.

2002
02:32:34,960 --> 02:32:40,936
I trust you.
>> Okay.

2003
02:32:38,160 --> 02:32:42,955
» Okay.
[clears throat]

2004
02:32:43,680 --> 02:32:50,040
» Just lay down so I can trip over.
>> Yeah, I might as well. Man, I just

2005
02:33:00,080 --> 02:33:05,920
» that is something that I don't think
prosecutor

2006
02:33:05,439 --> 02:33:09,280
No,
>> Mr. Davis, I was thinking I could take a

2007
02:33:07,760 --> 02:33:11,280
daylight picture of that and email it to
you.

2008
02:33:09,600 --> 02:33:13,760
» Walk over right now. I'll just do it
myself. I'll just fix it.

2009
02:33:12,640 --> 02:33:17,439
» That's how I've been doing things around
here. Just do it. If you got a

2010
02:33:14,960 --> 02:33:17,439
flashlight,