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I call the meeting to order.

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Good evening and welcome to the August 19th, 2025

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business meeting of your Ashton City Council.

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Councillor Duane will offer the land acknowledgement.

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Thank you, mayor. We acknowledge

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and honor the aboriginal people on whose

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ancestral homelands.

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We work the oxon ban of the stat nation, as well

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as the diverse and vibrant native community,

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native communities who make their home here today.

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We honor the first stewards in the rogue valley

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and the lands we love and depend on tribes

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and ancestral lands in and surrounding.

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The geography of Ashland Watershed include the original,

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past, present, and future indigenous inhabitants

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of the Shasta Ilma and Abassian people.

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We also recognize

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and acknowledge the Shasta Village of Waka Ka,

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where the crow lights, that is now the Ashland City Plaza.

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Thank you. And Councillor Dale will lead

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us in the Pledge of Allegiance.

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I pledge allegiance to testify

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of the United States of America

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and to the republic for which it stands,

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one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty

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and justice for all.

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Roll call please. Alyssa. Councilor Shell.

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Here. Dale. Here. Bloom Here. Mayor Graham.

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Here Kaplan. Here Duquesne.

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Here. Hansen here.

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Great. For mayor's announcements,

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I have two agenda changes, the public hearing

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and first reading of Ordinance 32 72

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and ordinance annexing property

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and withdrawing an AG annexed area from Jackson County Fire

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District number five and also repealing ordinances 32 15

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and 31 94,

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which were the previous annexation approvals in Casita one

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and Casita 2, 15 11 Highway 99.

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Planning action number PA T three dash 2024 dash 0 0 1

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is going to be continued at the applicant's request

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to September 16th at 6:00 PM

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and under ordinances, resolutions and contracts.

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The second reading and adoption of findings

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for a legislative amendment

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to the Southern Oregon University facilities master plan

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and implementing ordinances 32 67, 32 68

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and 32 69 number PA dash L dash 2025 dash

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and so it will come back.

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We are canceling the second reading.

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It'll come back for a new first reading

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with those amendments on October 7th.

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I also wanted to say it was so great to see

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so many Ashland out last night at the park celebrating the,

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the great music concert series

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that our community partners have hosted

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and it was just a lovely way

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to cap off the evening last night,

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so I hope you were able to be there.

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If not, check out the calendar

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and make sure there's still a couple of more this year.

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We move on now to approval of minutes.

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Are there any changes to the minutes?

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The floor is open for a motion

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to approve the minutes. Councillor Blum.

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I move approval of the minutes.

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Is there a second roll call please? Alyssa

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Hansen?

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Yes. Duque? Yes. Kaplan? Yes. Bloom? Yes.

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Dale? Yes. Sherell? Yes.

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Thank you. And we are now to the consent agenda.

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Are would any counselor like

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to remove an item from the consent agenda?

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Okay. The floor is open for a motion

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to approve the consent agenda.

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I move to approve the Congen consent agenda as is

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Second Roll call please.

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Dale? Yes. Bloom? Yes. Sherell? Yes. Hanson? Yes.

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Great, thank you. And I just wanted to,

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to thank the people who have stepped forward

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to serve on the Housing and Human Services

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advisory committee, the planning

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or the Historic Preservation advisory committee

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and our new ad hoc committee

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that will be developing a facilities plan

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for the 2200 Ashland Street Project.

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That community service is really

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what helps this council do its work

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and we appreciate the, the hard work of all of our council

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or committee members and commission members

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and the new people who have stepped forward to help us.

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We now move to special presentations

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and this evening I'm going

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to offer a presentation on my trip to Ukraine.

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In early June, I was invited to the city's

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and Regions summit in Ukraine in large part or entirely

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because we have a sister city relationship with a town named

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Fisk, which is in the esque Blas.

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with our sister city since the council approved

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this relationship about two years ago

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and a little bit later on, I'll invite

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the folks from the Ashland FTE Harris Aid project

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who have been really leading the charge in

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developing the sister city relationship.

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I will invite them up to share briefly

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what they have been doing in those two years

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and the, the various ways that we have been able

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to help our sister city.

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I reached out to our city manager

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and to our council chair Councilor Dale,

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because this is not a typical request to, to go into a,

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a place that is an active war zone is not something

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that people typically do on purpose.

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and what, what this risk was

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and what did they think about it.

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but there was also a strong support for doing this,

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for standing with our sister city in whatever way

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we could do this work.

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to not share information about this publicly

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until the summit was complete for security reasons.

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and we start out, the way that they have this set up is

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that they meet the delegates

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that were coming in from cities all around the world,

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primarily Europe and some from the us

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but they met us in Poland

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and this is an eight hour train ride

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after four flights to get to Poland.

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and that morning the very first thing

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that we did when we arrived was I met with Mayor

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Vladimir Rab Balkan.

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And so Mayor Vi Balkan is the man in this picture who is,

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has this Ashland together hat on

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Ashland Better Together hat on.

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And we exchanged gifts.

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of things that were useful

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and also things that were beautiful because his community,

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and you'll see it a little bit later on,

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the map is right near where the Russians are.

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They had overtaken Vieta here for, for several months

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and then the Ukrainians were able to push them back.

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proximity to the Russians.

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And so I brought a lot of things from Ashland.

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We have a variety of things from the city

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that I wanted to share with him.

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Also brought him some things that taste good and,

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and then a solar lantern

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because they have a, they have difficulty

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with generators and that sort of thing.

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One of the things, go back, if you can go back, sorry.

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I brought a flower, a a paper flower bouquet

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because when I talked to Mayor Alkin by Zoom, he's in a,

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he's in a, he's in a building that, of course is the kind

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of thing that you run military operations out of.

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that wouldn't wilt and it wouldn't die over time.

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and remember that, that people in Ashland are thinking

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of him and his community

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and we're we're sending all of our good wishes

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for a peaceful into this conflict.

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I wrote in that there, this, that,

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that bouquet comes with a little card.

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how we feel about their community and,

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and the courage that they all have.

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And I had our, our folks from Ukraine Aid

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and Aid International translate it for me.

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So it had a little translation inside of it.

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And each time I talk with Mayor Rab Baan,

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what he says is two things that what we are able

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to help them with in the physical space is really important.

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And they very much welcome it and appreciate it.

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and that somebody is paying attention to

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what is happening to them.

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And so he, we, we exchanged gifts in the hotel

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and one of the things that he brought to me,

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and you can see the head sticking right outta that little,

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that little bag

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And this doll is a handmade doll. It's made out of string.

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I'll have it where people can see it at the break.

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But it is each blatt, which is kind

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of like a state in Ukraine, has its own doll,

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its own its own design.

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And I thought it was interesting that I'm arriving

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and he's sending me home with a doll to protect my town

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from, from the different things that might befall us.

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And so, so I accepted this gift.

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We, I gave him his gifts and then we went outside.

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They had someone there to do a media interview

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and the media interview was going to be broadcast across,

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across the, the o blasts where he comes from.

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to bringing these messages of friendship back into

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that space where they are, are really struggling with,

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with the reality of the war.

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So I was pleased to do that interview.

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Mayor Rab Balkan also spoke to the media folks

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and then we went on to the, to the summit.

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it was a very interesting thing.

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It's a completely international summit.

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the translator headphones.

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partners from Ukraine aided international.

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on the bottom of that screen.

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And we went through that summit with them

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and spent another day, the next day in Kyiv with them.

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when you hear from Ben Stott a little bit later on, Ben was

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with us and you would've seen him in

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that first, in that first picture.

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And so we had representation both from the city council

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and also from the Ashland's Fiat Harris

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aid project at the summit.

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So one of the first things that happened was

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President Zelensky came and he offered some words

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and he gave awards to a variety of different cities

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and regions that had been helping directly Ukraine and,

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and helping with their communities

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and what they, what they needed

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and providing similar support to what we are doing

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with vie tehir.

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It was, it was an inspirational speech,

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even though I didn't understand a word he said.

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of the, the translation.

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But it was a powerful moment to be there with

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President Zelensky thanking the

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people who have been helping them.

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that talked about different elements of how to, how to

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continue to do the, the work of living

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and repairing things while they're still in a war zone.

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to me is we all saw the, the mess, the pictures

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of Kyiv right after the Russian invasion.

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left side of that screen.

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they have repaired or

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or rebuilt 22,000 of the 30,000 physical objects in the city

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that have been destroyed.

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And so it's a, it's a people that are very much trying

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to carry on with living while being in the middle of this,

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this very difficult situation.

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So this is, they had a, a wall map of Ukraine

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and what you could see is Mayor Alkin is showing us where

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that the region where FHIR is located, that that white

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space that that next one over is the one

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that the Russians hold.

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where the Russians currently are

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and that Ukraine is a huge, huge country,

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but they're right, they're right up on the edge of it.

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there was that that was too risky of a space,

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but others from Ashland have been all the way

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to the, to the village there.

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And I also wanted to share this picture

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because you'll see in all of the pictures that we have

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of Mayor Alkin,

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he always has his Ashland better together hat on.

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And he's super, he's super keen about Ashland.

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I will say he, he decided to come

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to the summit when he found out that I was coming

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because we have been talking as you know,

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over these last couple of years.

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And this relationship is important to him.

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But the other reason he's wearing that hat is

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that he has a head wound, if you can go back, Sabrina one,

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he has a head wound and he is bandaged underneath that hat.

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of it sticking out the back.

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for not taking his hat off in these sort of formal spaces,

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but explain that he has a head wound

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that is being, that is healing.

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And so that's what was happening with that.

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Let's go ahead and move on.

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So we have been trying to sign our official documents

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for quite some time.

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When you have to translate something into a foreign

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language, it doesn't always go super smooth even when,

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when you've got native Ukrainians translating there,

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there are very specific things that these sorts of documents

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must say and must not say in their language.

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So we, I was able to bring the final version over

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and we were able to sign the official documents ratifying

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our sister city relationship.

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Go ahead. Okay, there we go.

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We also were able to be there with Ukraine Aid International

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as they won an award from the esque Blatt.

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So the, the Oblasts gave them a specific award

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because they're helping not only Vieta husk

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but some of the other cities that are right,

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right there on the edge of the conflict.

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And I also ran into the National League

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of Cities president Steve Patterson, who is the mayor

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of Athens, Ohio.

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And his community is also assisting a Ukrainian

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community through a different program.

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So it was great to see some other Americans

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and other American mayors at the, at the event.

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Go ahead. So one of the things that was,

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was really striking to me while I was there is, is just

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what it is to be in a city that has, has, has been bombed,

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has been invaded, is trying to carry on

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because children are still growing

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and people still have to go to work

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and groceries still have to get bought and cooked.

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And seeing how people are reacting to that

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and how they're coming together

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and they have been together as a,

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as a nation has was really very touching.

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That street was just outside of where my hotel room was

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and that's what it looked like before the curfew at night.

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'cause there is a specific curfew

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and once the curfew is down that giant street with

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what eight lanes is empty,

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there is not a single person out there.

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There's one, maybe one police officer at the,

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at the intersection to make,

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to find out if anybody's driving what that's about.

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And that's a, people do it voluntarily

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because they know it's a security issue,

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but it's just a very different reality.

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And one of the things that they instructed go back,

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if you would, one of the things that they instructed us

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to do before we came was to download the Air Siren app.

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Who would've known that there is an app for that?

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But there is. And so when there are air raid sirens

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that are going the app, you'll tell you tell the app

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where you want to be notified if,

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if there's a, if there's a warning.

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And when I was on the first train into Kyiv the first night

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I woke up because there was, we were stopped

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and the air raid sirens were going.

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We, we, they had stopped us in a train station

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and the air raid sirens were going

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and I was just waiting to figure out what,

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there was really nothing to do, but to wait it out.

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So that happened the first night and my app didn't catch it

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because I wasn't in Kyiv at the moment.

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But we went on

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and the second night that we were there about two 30 in the

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morning, the, the sirens went off in the hotel

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and my, my phone went off at the same time

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and I took screenshots of the two.

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The first one is the one you see right in the middle is the

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one that when it first started.

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And you can see that incoming missiles are the places

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where they have detected missiles coming.

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And then you can see that

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of course dark red is the most dangerous place.

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And then kyiv has a little,

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is a little bit darker red section

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over there in the lighter red.

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different elements show up.

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So you can see where the Ukrainians are responding

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and then at the end you can see where some

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of them have landed.

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And so that's, that's just a daily reality for the people

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who live there is

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that they get woken up very often in the middle of the night

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with their phones looking like this

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and having to decide what to do and how to respond.

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Go ahead. And I will just say knowing

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that air raid sirens exist is a whole different thing than

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actually experiencing one

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and having to decide what, what am I going to do The day

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after the, excuse me, the day

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after the, the summit we spent

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just going around kyiv with the mayor

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and with the staff from Ukraine eight International

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and made on square is right in the middle of Kyiv.

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And it is really the place where their pro-democracy

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demonstrations began several years ago, I think in 2014.

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And they have a flag there for the people

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who have died in the war from kyiv

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and towns across Ukraine have similar things in their,

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in their city squares.

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But when you go up, you can see pictures of people,

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people have brought, family members have brought photos

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of them, they've brought me mementos of their lives.

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And there are so many flags, there are so many flags

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and there are flags from other countries too,

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from the other people who have come to their aid

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and have not returned home.

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And so it's a, it's a, it's a powerful display of, of

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of heart for their community.

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And also a reminder of the tragedy.

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You'll see there's a doctor there in that picture.

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There's, these are not all military people,

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but it, it was a very, it was a reality check

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in terms of what that looks like.

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And now, before we move on to the next slide,

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I also just wanted to mention

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that while we were walking back from Madon Square, we,

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we saw a procession coming in

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and it was a funeral proce procession on the

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way to the cemetery.

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They had a, a military person who had been killed

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and they came to that big intersection that you saw in one

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of the earlier slides.

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And everybody stopped all,

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all traffic in all four directions stopped.

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The drivers got out from their car, they took a knee

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and they played their national anthem.

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And then they stood for a minute of silence

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before the pre the, the procession moved forward

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and we stood still on the side.

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And we, we watched this and,

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and the mayor told me that this happens very frequently,

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not only in Kyiv

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but in also in towns across the country as they bring their,

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their, their soldiers home who have been killed in the war.

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They then took me out to the bridge.

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You may have remembered when the, when the

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invasion happened initially, that

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the Ukrainians blew up their own bridge to keep them out.

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This is the bridge that was blown up

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and they've left it there as a, as a reminder,

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they've built the new bridge next to it as a reminder of, of

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what, what that day was.

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And, and I think in many places around the city, they're,

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they are doing a variety of different things

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to remind people, this is probably the most stark

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of the reminders, but to, to carry those memories forward,

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not only with this type of a scene, but also with art.

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And so one of the things that, that we, they took me

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to were they had these kind

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of art memorials at different places

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where they had stacked up, burned out vehicles,

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but then artists had come and,

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and drawn beautiful things on the side as a reminder of kind

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of both of the elements

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that we find in a conflict like this.

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Go ahead. One of the things

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that I think was the most striking to me was

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how determined people were to carry on to

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keep moving in the space of this difficult, difficult time.

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And so they went

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and took me to places where you could see more of the city

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go ahead and,

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and then we found a restaurant where

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apparently it's a very famous Ukrainian chef,

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but what he's doing is he's playing

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with traditional Ukrainian food as, as his contribution to,

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to his culture and to the effort.

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And so I got to experience both traditional Ukrainian food

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and also traditional Ukrainian food with a twist.

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So that was, that was a great day.

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They were very keen to share traditional Ukrainian food

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and what they do in terms of their customs

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and the love for their community really came

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through in those those times.

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One of the things that while we were up high like that,

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mayor Alkin and I were talking and,

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and there was some music coming up

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and he was, we didn't, we didn't share the same language,

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but we could hammer through the fact

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that this was a Ukrainian composer.

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And, and,

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and I found out in that conversation that before the war,

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and I guess he still could probably play,

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but Mary Rab Balkan was also a musician

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and I knew that he was a, a teacher,

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but I found out here that he also is a musician,

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Kerry fool, go on.

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And then just a lot of street scenes where people, you know,

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finding joy where they can

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and taking pride in their community.

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And then we went out to some of the places

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where they have the larger monuments and, and,

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and the kind of the, the, the, the city's the city monument,

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the country monuments that you would expect

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to find in a capital city.

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And then they even had a little bit of fun with a,

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with a floor mat and some things, street,

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street vendors out, like I say, people really trying

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to hold steady in the middle of this, this war.

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And then I would just close out the, the trip

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with just saying the, the friendship

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that we've been developing with Fihi with their leadership

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and also in more of a a person to person relationship

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is really important.

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It's, I think sometimes we forget the importance

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of friendship, the importance

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of traveling away with someone else.

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And before he left, what Mayor Alkin told me was

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that the first thing he was going to do when he got back to

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his people in Fhi was he's going to, he was going to read

518
00:27:14,485 --> 00:27:16,205
to them what I put in the card.

519
00:27:17,275 --> 00:27:19,965
That that was, that was the, the prized piece

520
00:27:20,165 --> 00:27:22,005
that he was bringing back to his community.

521
00:27:23,065 --> 00:27:27,085
Go ahead. And so we came back, I have the,

522
00:27:27,245 --> 00:27:28,725
I have the, the designations.

523
00:27:28,785 --> 00:27:31,125
We did them in English and in Ukrainian

524
00:27:31,545 --> 00:27:33,005
and we each have a, a copy.

525
00:27:33,065 --> 00:27:34,565
So I have those here and I'll let,

526
00:27:34,795 --> 00:27:36,245
I'll bring 'em out during the break as well.

527
00:27:38,125 --> 00:27:43,045
I also, yeah, so I got back to Poland

528
00:27:43,105 --> 00:27:45,565
and they were just then announcing the new pope was

529
00:27:45,585 --> 00:27:46,725
in, was in place.

530
00:27:47,505 --> 00:27:49,965
And so I took the train ride home.

531
00:27:49,975 --> 00:27:52,525
There was no air raid siren on the way home.

532
00:27:52,525 --> 00:27:57,125
So that was appreciated. And, and we got there to the end.

533
00:27:59,745 --> 00:28:00,845
I'm really glad I went.

534
00:28:01,545 --> 00:28:05,085
It was a tough trip and I,

535
00:28:05,185 --> 00:28:08,885
and I was so honored to be able to represent this community

536
00:28:09,465 --> 00:28:11,165
and the heart that I know that we bring

537
00:28:11,165 --> 00:28:12,445
to this relationship with them.

538
00:28:12,785 --> 00:28:15,005
We are feeling our way through with it.

539
00:28:15,105 --> 00:28:16,925
We don't know exactly what it looks like

540
00:28:16,985 --> 00:28:20,805
or what will be called on to do to help with,

541
00:28:21,225 --> 00:28:24,525
but we also know that that friendship is,

542
00:28:24,625 --> 00:28:26,045
is really what's at the core of it.

543
00:28:27,505 --> 00:28:29,245
As I mentioned, mayor Alkin

544
00:28:29,245 --> 00:28:31,165
and I have been in touch in, in talking

545
00:28:31,185 --> 00:28:34,045
for these last couple of years, not very often

546
00:28:34,245 --> 00:28:36,405
because it's a 10 hour time zone difference

547
00:28:36,545 --> 00:28:38,405
and he's right, right in the thick of it.

548
00:28:38,945 --> 00:28:41,285
But one of the things that he, he was very keen

549
00:28:41,305 --> 00:28:43,325
to share the history of the conflict

550
00:28:43,545 --> 00:28:45,765
and of the people's rising up for,

551
00:28:45,825 --> 00:28:47,205
for their democratic values.

552
00:28:47,905 --> 00:28:51,325
And one of the things that he, he did is he told me more

553
00:28:51,325 --> 00:28:53,725
of the story of about a gift that he had sent

554
00:28:53,725 --> 00:28:57,565
to me last year and before the invasion.

555
00:28:57,965 --> 00:28:59,685
S vie was a lot like Ashland.

556
00:29:00,515 --> 00:29:03,405
It's got beautiful forests and mountains around it.

557
00:29:03,665 --> 00:29:06,645
Rivers people would come from miles

558
00:29:06,645 --> 00:29:08,685
and miles around as a tourist draw.

559
00:29:09,445 --> 00:29:12,005
They have a beautiful old, very old

560
00:29:12,625 --> 00:29:14,645
church in their, in their community.

561
00:29:14,945 --> 00:29:17,285
And they were a place where, where they had art

562
00:29:17,305 --> 00:29:18,805
and theater and fun things.

563
00:29:18,985 --> 00:29:22,845
And I have refrigerator magnets from, from Shir

564
00:29:23,115 --> 00:29:25,245
because they, they were very much like us.

565
00:29:26,025 --> 00:29:28,485
And what they used to, what they had

566
00:29:28,485 --> 00:29:32,125
before the invasion was the, they had lined the streets

567
00:29:33,195 --> 00:29:34,725
with Ukrainian flags.

568
00:29:34,945 --> 00:29:39,245
So coming into Fhir, the, they, there were two big rows of,

569
00:29:39,385 --> 00:29:42,805
of flags and of course the first thing that an invader does

570
00:29:43,585 --> 00:29:48,085
to, to harm the mor the morale of the people that they're

571
00:29:48,655 --> 00:29:50,925
overtaking is to take down their symbols.

572
00:29:51,425 --> 00:29:52,525
And so they tried

573
00:29:53,145 --> 00:29:56,045
and they had, the Ukrainian folks had gone,

574
00:29:56,075 --> 00:29:58,285
they had stationed people up in the hillside

575
00:29:58,285 --> 00:30:00,965
and so they were never able to fully take this section

576
00:30:00,985 --> 00:30:03,405
of the road because when they would try,

577
00:30:03,875 --> 00:30:05,205
they would get shot at.

578
00:30:06,265 --> 00:30:08,045
And so the flags never came down.

579
00:30:09,015 --> 00:30:11,005
After they were able to push the Russians back,

580
00:30:11,005 --> 00:30:13,525
they pulled the flags down and they put new flags up.

581
00:30:13,705 --> 00:30:15,925
Of course, as you do, the flags

582
00:30:15,925 --> 00:30:18,045
that came down from the sides of the,

583
00:30:18,065 --> 00:30:20,685
the road into Shir are now in

584
00:30:21,635 --> 00:30:23,125
museums across Ukraine.

585
00:30:24,345 --> 00:30:25,805
But one of them is here

586
00:30:38,985 --> 00:30:41,605
and it's not every day you get a gift in an ammo can,

587
00:30:41,845 --> 00:30:44,245
I will say that's, it is a different reality for me,

588
00:30:46,505 --> 00:30:50,685
but I would ask Councillor Blum if you'll help me.

589
00:30:51,955 --> 00:30:52,845
It's very fragile.

590
00:31:07,995 --> 00:31:11,085
Well this

591
00:31:11,085 --> 00:31:12,085
Is the flag.

592
00:31:44,455 --> 00:31:46,655
I haven't known exactly what to do with that flag.

593
00:31:47,395 --> 00:31:50,935
So I've held it. When I was there I asked Mayor Rab Balkan

594
00:31:50,935 --> 00:31:54,295
if it would be appropriate for us to frame it so

595
00:31:54,295 --> 00:31:56,375
that we could hang it up without it being damaged.

596
00:31:56,955 --> 00:31:59,415
And he said that would be very, very nice.

597
00:31:59,435 --> 00:32:01,415
He would appreciate that. So we are going to do that

598
00:32:01,875 --> 00:32:04,655
and we will find a place at City Hall to hang that.

599
00:32:05,835 --> 00:32:09,535
So thank you for, for taking

600
00:32:09,535 --> 00:32:11,015
that little journey with me.

601
00:32:11,115 --> 00:32:13,455
At this point I would like to just invite Ben Stott

602
00:32:13,475 --> 00:32:16,455
and anyone else from the Ashland FTE Harris Aid project.

603
00:32:16,965 --> 00:32:18,935
They're going to briefly explain to us

604
00:32:18,935 --> 00:32:21,055
what they have done in these last two years

605
00:32:21,635 --> 00:32:23,695
and then they will be coming back in front

606
00:32:23,695 --> 00:32:24,855
of council a bit later on,

607
00:32:25,375 --> 00:32:27,655
but we can also ask questions of them.

608
00:32:27,955 --> 00:32:30,095
So go ahead and come up to these two microphones.

609
00:32:42,785 --> 00:32:44,765
Yep. If you can turn, hit that button in the front,

610
00:32:44,815 --> 00:32:47,445
it'll turn red for both of the microphones.

611
00:32:48,795 --> 00:32:51,765
Well first of all, my name is Jim Nagle

612
00:32:51,865 --> 00:32:53,605
and I'm the president of ASAP

613
00:32:54,385 --> 00:32:58,365
and I want to first of all, thank you Mayor Graham

614
00:32:58,985 --> 00:33:03,485
and the city council for allowing her to go to Ukraine

615
00:33:04,225 --> 00:33:07,045
and bring back that wonderful presentation.

616
00:33:08,705 --> 00:33:09,965
I'm not gonna speak too long

617
00:33:09,965 --> 00:33:13,125
because the gentleman next to me, Bensad has been

618
00:33:13,145 --> 00:33:16,445
to Ukraine, been to Hurs many times,

619
00:33:16,945 --> 00:33:20,045
and he's much more familiar with everything that's going on.

620
00:33:20,745 --> 00:33:23,205
And what we would like to do is just to talk

621
00:33:23,205 --> 00:33:26,045
to you a little bit about what we have managed to do

622
00:33:26,045 --> 00:33:28,845
through our fundraising efforts to help

623
00:33:29,735 --> 00:33:31,405
Hurst do some recovery.

624
00:33:32,065 --> 00:33:34,485
And some of the, the infrastructure

625
00:33:35,035 --> 00:33:36,685
that was totally destroyed

626
00:33:36,685 --> 00:33:39,805
or stolen by the Russians when they came

627
00:33:40,995 --> 00:33:43,885
were critical to keep a city running.

628
00:33:44,545 --> 00:33:46,525
And so Ben will address those issues.

629
00:33:46,825 --> 00:33:49,685
At the same time, I, I would like to recognize a couple

630
00:33:49,685 --> 00:33:52,565
of our other board members who are here in attendance.

631
00:33:53,035 --> 00:33:57,325
Rich Whitley who's back there and Mike Petrovich.

632
00:33:58,065 --> 00:34:02,885
So we've got a small group but they do an awful lot of work

633
00:34:03,105 --> 00:34:05,285
and I'm really proud of this group.

634
00:34:05,705 --> 00:34:07,445
So Ben, if you'd take over

635
00:34:07,465 --> 00:34:09,045
and talk a little bit more. Hey, yeah,

636
00:34:09,475 --> 00:34:10,475
Nice to see you all.

637
00:34:10,625 --> 00:34:11,885
It was two, two

638
00:34:11,885 --> 00:34:14,325
and a half years ago that I was here when you

639
00:34:14,345 --> 00:34:18,365
so kindly agreed to take on ska as a sister city.

640
00:34:19,175 --> 00:34:20,685
Since that time we've done a lot.

641
00:34:22,285 --> 00:34:23,565
I wanted to say first of all,

642
00:34:23,565 --> 00:34:25,925
because you got a chance to meet Amer Baan

643
00:34:25,925 --> 00:34:28,405
that you should know that four months ago he found out

644
00:34:28,515 --> 00:34:31,405
through DNA evidence that his son

645
00:34:32,825 --> 00:34:35,045
who had disappeared had been burned in a tank.

646
00:34:35,265 --> 00:34:38,005
He was a tank operator.

647
00:34:38,345 --> 00:34:41,125
And so he just found out not too long

648
00:34:41,125 --> 00:34:42,285
before he came to this meeting

649
00:34:42,285 --> 00:34:43,885
that he'd lost his son in the war.

650
00:34:45,225 --> 00:34:48,925
So it's, he's a magnificent man.

651
00:34:50,845 --> 00:34:52,565
Sato Husk is a small town.

652
00:34:52,945 --> 00:34:55,565
We chose it because it was quite a bit like Ashland.

653
00:34:55,585 --> 00:34:59,525
It has a tourist, big tourist industry, it's a lot

654
00:34:59,525 --> 00:35:01,045
of forestry and it's one

655
00:35:01,045 --> 00:35:02,845
of the prettiest towns that I've seen in Ukraine.

656
00:35:03,545 --> 00:35:07,405
And I've been over there now five times driving.

657
00:35:07,475 --> 00:35:09,805
I've driven all over the country doing various things

658
00:35:10,345 --> 00:35:12,605
and I think Scott Des is probably the prettiest town

659
00:35:12,605 --> 00:35:15,805
that I've seen, although I'm told in the far west in the

660
00:35:15,805 --> 00:35:17,285
Carpathians it's also gorgeous.

661
00:35:18,425 --> 00:35:21,205
So since we started, we incorporated

662
00:35:21,305 --> 00:35:23,285
and got 5 0 1 C status just

663
00:35:23,285 --> 00:35:26,645
before we got the approval to be a sister city.

664
00:35:27,095 --> 00:35:30,965
We've done three fundraisers each time we get Ukrainian

665
00:35:30,965 --> 00:35:34,085
people to perform other musicians

666
00:35:34,705 --> 00:35:36,645
and we've been pretty successful in raising money.

667
00:35:36,765 --> 00:35:38,125
I don't know the exact to total,

668
00:35:38,185 --> 00:35:40,925
but I know the last one we did, we raised $40,000.

669
00:35:41,875 --> 00:35:45,405
With that money we've tried to help provide things

670
00:35:45,405 --> 00:35:46,885
that Mayor Balkan said

671
00:35:46,885 --> 00:35:49,325
that would be most useful for the town.

672
00:35:50,105 --> 00:35:53,125
His thing was not to spend too much money on rebuilding

673
00:35:53,405 --> 00:35:55,885
'cause they're, frankly, they're not sure they're gonna

674
00:35:55,885 --> 00:35:57,805
survive the, the Russians are still pushing

675
00:35:57,945 --> 00:36:00,245
and they're only 25 kilometers away.

676
00:36:00,745 --> 00:36:05,245
So we focused on providing machinery to provide,

677
00:36:05,565 --> 00:36:07,605
to rebuild the infrastructure so

678
00:36:07,605 --> 00:36:09,605
that there will be a town there when people

679
00:36:09,665 --> 00:36:10,685
can move back safely.

680
00:36:11,505 --> 00:36:14,645
And so far we've bought a dump truck,

681
00:36:14,805 --> 00:36:16,845
a very large a dump truck, which is used

682
00:36:16,845 --> 00:36:18,245
to get rid of rubble.

683
00:36:18,795 --> 00:36:21,325
They got a excavator from somewhere else

684
00:36:21,785 --> 00:36:25,085
and so this, this dump truck helps to get rid

685
00:36:25,085 --> 00:36:27,045
of all the rubble so that they cleaned out a lot

686
00:36:27,045 --> 00:36:29,045
of the damaged area so they can be rebuilt.

687
00:36:29,475 --> 00:36:31,405
Also, they had a problem with their garbage.

688
00:36:31,625 --> 00:36:34,885
The, the garbage truck had been blown up by the Russians

689
00:36:34,885 --> 00:36:39,085
and so their garbage was piling up in a flat area in the

690
00:36:39,085 --> 00:36:41,725
center of town that was a big health menace.

691
00:36:41,985 --> 00:36:44,485
So using the dump truck, we were able

692
00:36:44,485 --> 00:36:45,885
to get rid of that, that garbage.

693
00:36:46,625 --> 00:36:50,845
The next thing was some municipal water system through UAI

694
00:36:50,925 --> 00:36:53,965
and some private funding through a foundation I have myself.

695
00:36:54,905 --> 00:36:59,325
We built a, a water reprocessing center in town

696
00:37:00,145 --> 00:37:02,125
at the, so people could come

697
00:37:02,145 --> 00:37:04,885
to a central location in the town and fill up buckets

698
00:37:04,885 --> 00:37:06,285
and take them to their places

699
00:37:06,485 --> 00:37:08,165
'cause there was no municipal water.

700
00:37:08,465 --> 00:37:12,005
People didn't have any toilets or couldn't take a shower.

701
00:37:13,345 --> 00:37:16,445
So this system enabled them at least to have some

702
00:37:16,445 --> 00:37:17,685
of the things that we take

703
00:37:17,705 --> 00:37:20,205
for granted here in Ashland that they don't have.

704
00:37:21,385 --> 00:37:24,285
We also help them to buy a, what's it's called,

705
00:37:24,325 --> 00:37:28,525
a wood pellet machine that makes fuel, which they used

706
00:37:28,525 --> 00:37:32,685
to warm up the municipal buildings where people could go

707
00:37:32,865 --> 00:37:34,085
and stay warm in the winter

708
00:37:34,085 --> 00:37:36,165
because nobody had any electricity

709
00:37:36,165 --> 00:37:37,445
and so no one had any heat.

710
00:37:38,105 --> 00:37:41,005
And so everybody, there are about 450 people

711
00:37:41,065 --> 00:37:45,525
who still live in this town out of around 4,500

712
00:37:45,525 --> 00:37:47,965
that were there before would come

713
00:37:47,965 --> 00:37:49,485
and they could stay in these, their

714
00:37:50,065 --> 00:37:52,725
two main municipal buildings with big boilers

715
00:37:52,865 --> 00:37:56,885
and the wood pellets that could take all the debris

716
00:37:56,885 --> 00:37:59,485
and the, all the trees that were blown down

717
00:37:59,585 --> 00:38:01,845
and all the leftover debris from the broken

718
00:38:02,925 --> 00:38:04,885
buildings can be put in this machine

719
00:38:04,885 --> 00:38:07,525
and they make usable fuel that could be used

720
00:38:07,525 --> 00:38:08,765
to burn in these municipal.

721
00:38:09,225 --> 00:38:12,125
So we've enabled them both to have water

722
00:38:12,305 --> 00:38:15,405
and to have heat during the last two winters, which has been

723
00:38:16,435 --> 00:38:18,005
important and helpful to,

724
00:38:18,915 --> 00:38:22,005
most recently they had a very severe forest fire last

725
00:38:22,005 --> 00:38:24,965
summer, so also similar to our town

726
00:38:25,665 --> 00:38:28,605
and about 10,000 acres were burned

727
00:38:29,585 --> 00:38:32,925
and they needed chainsaws in order to

728
00:38:33,975 --> 00:38:36,885
clean up the area so they prevent future fires

729
00:38:36,885 --> 00:38:38,965
and also to provide more fuel.

730
00:38:39,585 --> 00:38:42,565
So we've also recently provided them with those.

731
00:38:43,225 --> 00:38:47,405
We also did a project that actually didn't work out,

732
00:38:47,465 --> 00:38:50,005
but we tried to provide them with temporary windows

733
00:38:50,185 --> 00:38:54,365
for all the blown out windows in, in the buildings

734
00:38:54,615 --> 00:38:59,205
where people were trying to live by using a double plastic

735
00:39:00,185 --> 00:39:03,165
method, which is a lot cheaper than glass

736
00:39:03,185 --> 00:39:06,085
and also is safer in case there were more bombardment

737
00:39:06,085 --> 00:39:09,005
that there wouldn't be any fragments in the shattered

738
00:39:09,005 --> 00:39:10,085
glass they'd have to deal with.

739
00:39:10,505 --> 00:39:13,485
As it turned out, there was another method they found

740
00:39:13,485 --> 00:39:14,565
that was more successful.

741
00:39:14,585 --> 00:39:17,365
So we only did about one sample project,

742
00:39:17,465 --> 00:39:19,645
but that was our first attempt to try

743
00:39:19,645 --> 00:39:21,285
and solve that problem as well.

744
00:39:22,415 --> 00:39:24,045
Right now we're trying to raise money.

745
00:39:24,045 --> 00:39:27,365
They've asked us to try see if we can find them something

746
00:39:27,365 --> 00:39:28,925
like an armored car

747
00:39:29,225 --> 00:39:33,245
or a protected vehicle that they can use for

748
00:39:34,605 --> 00:39:38,645
ferrying supplies in from further west

749
00:39:39,035 --> 00:39:40,645
because now the,

750
00:39:40,945 --> 00:39:43,845
the roads going into fiat husk are becoming dangerous

751
00:39:44,265 --> 00:39:46,525
and they, they're having, they're thinking

752
00:39:46,525 --> 00:39:50,485
that they'll need some kind of relative protection so

753
00:39:50,485 --> 00:39:52,205
that they can continue to bring food

754
00:39:52,585 --> 00:39:55,645
and also to take out anybody who's wounded

755
00:39:55,645 --> 00:39:57,765
to local hospitals that are further away.

756
00:39:58,145 --> 00:40:00,005
That's our present project is to try

757
00:40:00,005 --> 00:40:04,125
and locate something that could serve that purpose.

758
00:40:06,675 --> 00:40:08,645
Yeah. So that's our, our work to date.

759
00:40:09,065 --> 00:40:13,045
As you know, people are tired of hearing about Ukraine,

760
00:40:13,105 --> 00:40:15,965
so it's a challenge to, to raise money

761
00:40:16,145 --> 00:40:18,845
and so we're working to find novel ways

762
00:40:19,065 --> 00:40:21,205
to encourage more public interest

763
00:40:21,985 --> 00:40:23,805
and get people to stay engaged

764
00:40:24,185 --> 00:40:28,165
and your help through the city just as a bully pulpit

765
00:40:28,265 --> 00:40:31,965
to keep people in Ashton aware of that we have a sister city

766
00:40:32,345 --> 00:40:35,045
and their needs are great, is really helpful

767
00:40:35,145 --> 00:40:37,165
to us in doing the work we're trying

768
00:40:37,165 --> 00:40:38,245
to do to help this city.

769
00:40:38,945 --> 00:40:40,525
So thank you. Oh, one thing I wanted to ask you,

770
00:40:40,785 --> 00:40:45,205
do you all share a email address as council members?

771
00:40:46,305 --> 00:40:47,685
We have a, we have a group address

772
00:40:47,705 --> 00:40:48,805
and then we each have our own

773
00:40:48,805 --> 00:40:49,805
Individuals.

774
00:40:49,805 --> 00:40:51,445
Yeah, I would like to get that from you

775
00:40:51,445 --> 00:40:54,325
because I didn't bring any audio visual stuff,

776
00:40:54,425 --> 00:40:59,165
but I have a very short video of si husk

777
00:40:59,165 --> 00:41:00,405
as it was before the war.

778
00:41:00,515 --> 00:41:01,965
It's only about three minutes long.

779
00:41:03,085 --> 00:41:06,845
I also have the movie that we made this last year

780
00:41:07,775 --> 00:41:10,725
Insto Husk, which really shows

781
00:41:10,945 --> 00:41:12,005
and gives a feeling for

782
00:41:12,005 --> 00:41:13,725
what it's like in there are in interviews

783
00:41:13,725 --> 00:41:15,085
with a lot of residents.

784
00:41:15,085 --> 00:41:17,485
So you can meet some of the people who are there

785
00:41:17,945 --> 00:41:20,205
that's 20 minutes long, which may be a bit much,

786
00:41:20,625 --> 00:41:24,285
but we've made a five minute short promo sort

787
00:41:24,285 --> 00:41:25,365
of version of that.

788
00:41:25,865 --> 00:41:28,885
And with your permission, I'd like to send those three clips

789
00:41:28,885 --> 00:41:30,485
to you so that if you have the time

790
00:41:30,485 --> 00:41:33,565
and interest that you could see some of the scenes

791
00:41:33,565 --> 00:41:36,045
of the actual town that you're doing so much to support.

792
00:41:36,665 --> 00:41:38,845
So thank you. That would be great. And Alyssa can give you

793
00:41:38,845 --> 00:41:40,845
that, that email address.

794
00:41:41,425 --> 00:41:42,885
Are there any questions? Go questions?

795
00:41:42,885 --> 00:41:44,565
Oh yeah, any questions? Oh,

796
00:41:44,765 --> 00:41:46,365
I might add, Ben, you forgot.

797
00:41:46,365 --> 00:41:50,005
We also purchased with our last fundraiser, the water truck.

798
00:41:50,025 --> 00:41:53,765
Oh yeah. To transport water so that the people don't have

799
00:41:53,765 --> 00:41:58,205
to come from far distances to go to where the water source

800
00:41:58,945 --> 00:42:00,845
Now we have a water truck for them

801
00:42:00,845 --> 00:42:03,405
that takes the water out dis dispenses

802
00:42:03,515 --> 00:42:04,765
that go out the yard 2000 meters.

803
00:42:04,765 --> 00:42:07,485
It's a big one. Great. Council Blum,

804
00:42:09,135 --> 00:42:11,245
Thank you so much.

805
00:42:11,405 --> 00:42:14,605
I I just want to start by offering my immense gratitude

806
00:42:14,905 --> 00:42:16,125
for you all individually

807
00:42:16,125 --> 00:42:17,645
and your organization for what you're doing.

808
00:42:19,185 --> 00:42:22,805
The reality is obviously very difficult over in Ukraine

809
00:42:23,065 --> 00:42:26,525
and I think that what you are setting up

810
00:42:27,145 --> 00:42:29,765
and what you're, you're seeking to do is, is going

811
00:42:29,765 --> 00:42:32,005
to be the model for rebuilding.

812
00:42:32,655 --> 00:42:35,445
There will not be a Marshall plan as there should be,

813
00:42:36,025 --> 00:42:39,005
but if we all individually as cities around the world and,

814
00:42:39,025 --> 00:42:41,365
and certainly within the United States can partner

815
00:42:41,395 --> 00:42:45,325
with cities in Ukraine like we are, that's how they're going

816
00:42:45,325 --> 00:42:46,725
to rebuild and get past this.

817
00:42:47,025 --> 00:42:48,205
So thank you so much

818
00:42:49,415 --> 00:42:50,925
Councillor Dale, By the way.

819
00:42:50,925 --> 00:42:55,085
IIII just found out that Oregon actually is a sister state

820
00:42:55,865 --> 00:42:58,445
to one Blas in Ukraine

821
00:42:59,145 --> 00:43:02,645
and Connecticut is also now adopted the whole province

822
00:43:02,705 --> 00:43:06,165
or Blas of donts of which sw s is part,

823
00:43:06,415 --> 00:43:08,645
which should make a big difference for fundraising

824
00:43:08,745 --> 00:43:09,965
for in a larger scale.

825
00:43:11,065 --> 00:43:14,605
By the way, I'm also leaving in three days to go back

826
00:43:14,605 --> 00:43:16,765
to Seattle s so I'm hopefully I'll be able

827
00:43:16,765 --> 00:43:18,525
to send you some film this summer.

828
00:43:18,895 --> 00:43:20,085
Great Councilor Dale.

829
00:43:20,375 --> 00:43:23,685
Thank you Mayor. And and thank you Ben and Jim.

830
00:43:23,805 --> 00:43:26,045
I, I don't, mayor asked if you have any questions.

831
00:43:27,605 --> 00:43:28,645
I don't know what I would ask.

832
00:43:29,425 --> 00:43:30,565
All I have is a statement

833
00:43:30,585 --> 00:43:32,525
and it's, it's similar to Councillor Bloom.

834
00:43:32,645 --> 00:43:35,885
I just, I I am so deeply

835
00:43:36,185 --> 00:43:39,885
and grateful for all the work that that ASAP has done and,

836
00:43:39,885 --> 00:43:41,685
and I've been able to follow along

837
00:43:41,685 --> 00:43:43,005
and watch all of the good work

838
00:43:43,065 --> 00:43:47,805
and the constant work that goes into to what you do

839
00:43:47,945 --> 00:43:51,125
and the fundraising and just the care

840
00:43:51,625 --> 00:43:55,845
and you know, listening to the mayor as well

841
00:43:55,845 --> 00:43:57,285
as the conversations we've had,

842
00:43:57,285 --> 00:44:01,605
and I I I routinely try to remind my kids,

843
00:44:01,725 --> 00:44:02,965
I heard this several years ago

844
00:44:03,025 --> 00:44:06,645
and it, it goes something like this on your very,

845
00:44:07,075 --> 00:44:10,205
very worst day that you could possibly imagine.

846
00:44:11,175 --> 00:44:15,005
There are at least 3 billion people on the face

847
00:44:15,005 --> 00:44:17,605
of this earth that would consider their prayers answered

848
00:44:17,605 --> 00:44:18,685
to trade places with you.

849
00:44:20,185 --> 00:44:24,965
And when we think about what we talk about, the good work

850
00:44:24,965 --> 00:44:27,245
that happens up here that we're trying to do it,

851
00:44:27,785 --> 00:44:30,605
it pales in comparison to the work

852
00:44:30,605 --> 00:44:32,965
that's being done in places that, that

853
00:44:33,585 --> 00:44:34,765
we have the luxury of.

854
00:44:34,945 --> 00:44:36,765
And, and this, this pains me to say,

855
00:44:36,905 --> 00:44:38,685
to not even think about on a regular basis

856
00:44:39,035 --> 00:44:40,965
because we're worried about the little things

857
00:44:40,965 --> 00:44:43,765
that we're worried about, whether it's stuck in traffic

858
00:44:43,905 --> 00:44:44,965
or a whatever.

859
00:44:45,585 --> 00:44:49,845
And and I also wanted to share a little bit about

860
00:44:50,715 --> 00:44:53,085
when I received the call from Mayor Graham

861
00:44:53,465 --> 00:44:57,045
and she, she answers the phone and,

862
00:44:57,105 --> 00:45:00,965
and it, it was a tone unlike anything I've heard when our

863
00:45:00,965 --> 00:45:02,885
conversations, which she, she says, I need to talk

864
00:45:02,885 --> 00:45:04,765
to you about something and I could tell it

865
00:45:04,875 --> 00:45:06,165
what was coming was serious.

866
00:45:07,065 --> 00:45:09,685
And, and, and she explained and,

867
00:45:09,705 --> 00:45:13,765
and we had a, we had a healthy conversation to start about,

868
00:45:13,775 --> 00:45:18,285
about safety and about logistics and, and,

869
00:45:20,065 --> 00:45:23,325
but if I know Mayor Graham, there is zero chance

870
00:45:23,325 --> 00:45:26,085
that she turns from anything, she goes right into this

871
00:45:26,325 --> 00:45:29,285
to help people and, and to,

872
00:45:30,265 --> 00:45:33,405
and to bring our, our values and her leadership.

873
00:45:33,705 --> 00:45:38,045
And I, I just am I'm so incredibly proud of you, mayor,

874
00:45:38,185 --> 00:45:40,125
for making that trip and,

875
00:45:40,625 --> 00:45:43,245
and the connection that you brought halfway across the world

876
00:45:45,065 --> 00:45:49,405
to another community that is, that if anything needs,

877
00:45:49,585 --> 00:45:52,765
of course they need rebuilding and they need infrastructure

878
00:45:52,825 --> 00:45:56,005
and they need tools, but they need hope and they need love

879
00:45:56,305 --> 00:45:58,445
and they need connection and community.

880
00:45:58,545 --> 00:46:01,605
And in addition, Ben trip number six and,

881
00:46:01,745 --> 00:46:04,485
and everyone that has been involved in the mayor, I just,

882
00:46:04,765 --> 00:46:08,285
I wanna say that, that when you got back,

883
00:46:09,285 --> 00:46:13,085
I exhaled and I was, you know, we, we

884
00:46:13,145 --> 00:46:15,445
and we were in communication while you were there and,

885
00:46:15,785 --> 00:46:17,285
and it wasn't quite fine.

886
00:46:17,285 --> 00:46:18,685
My iPhone like it is with my daughter, but,

887
00:46:19,745 --> 00:46:23,485
but I was so incredibly proud

888
00:46:24,225 --> 00:46:25,645
to be part of this community

889
00:46:25,665 --> 00:46:29,805
and thank you so much for going, that just means so much.

890
00:46:30,305 --> 00:46:34,285
And for, for anyone that doubted whether that was

891
00:46:34,995 --> 00:46:38,125
appropriate, I highly suggest

892
00:46:38,125 --> 00:46:40,885
that you watch tonight's council meeting over and over

893
00:46:40,905 --> 00:46:42,925
and over until you do not have any more doubt.

894
00:46:43,835 --> 00:46:48,165
This is what governments do, this is

895
00:46:48,165 --> 00:46:51,165
what people do, this is what communities do for one another.

896
00:46:51,705 --> 00:46:52,885
And thank you so much to

897
00:46:52,885 --> 00:46:54,045
everybody that was involved in this.

898
00:46:55,735 --> 00:46:58,805
Thank you Councillor Duque.

899
00:46:59,335 --> 00:47:01,845
Thank you Mayor. I don't have a question.

900
00:47:02,485 --> 00:47:04,725
I have just a brief voice of gratitude.

901
00:47:05,135 --> 00:47:08,485
Thank you both and the other two gentlemen in the audience

902
00:47:08,625 --> 00:47:09,765
for all that you do.

903
00:47:10,385 --> 00:47:12,845
And it truly gives me a sense of gratitude.

904
00:47:12,995 --> 00:47:15,925
Keep up the good work Ukrainian people are

905
00:47:16,485 --> 00:47:17,925
resilient and awesome.

906
00:47:18,905 --> 00:47:21,605
We can all take a page. So thank you so much

907
00:47:23,275 --> 00:47:24,285
Councilor Hansen.

908
00:47:25,335 --> 00:47:27,685
Thank you Mayor. I'm really grateful that you went

909
00:47:27,785 --> 00:47:30,965
and to represent and I'm sure it was a tough trip,

910
00:47:31,425 --> 00:47:33,845
but we are all behind you and we thank you

911
00:47:34,545 --> 00:47:36,765
and I appreciate you coming forward

912
00:47:37,185 --> 00:47:38,925
and speaking with us this evening.

913
00:47:39,505 --> 00:47:41,245
But really the efforts for the last two

914
00:47:41,245 --> 00:47:43,445
and a half years are really not going unnoticed.

915
00:47:43,445 --> 00:47:45,685
And when you came here and you told us that you aspired

916
00:47:46,105 --> 00:47:50,645
to the dump truck, I I I was confident that, that

917
00:47:50,645 --> 00:47:52,925
that was, that was, that was the mission

918
00:47:53,225 --> 00:47:54,565
and, and you would do it.

919
00:47:55,025 --> 00:47:59,965
And hearing now all the other important infrastructure tools

920
00:48:00,155 --> 00:48:02,805
that you've been able to bring back to the community,

921
00:48:02,905 --> 00:48:04,925
I'm just so proud of you and the work that you've done.

922
00:48:04,985 --> 00:48:07,965
And my heart goes out to the Ukrainian people and,

923
00:48:08,625 --> 00:48:09,805
and I, I haven't forgot,

924
00:48:10,385 --> 00:48:13,005
but as we get busy in our daily lives as as,

925
00:48:13,225 --> 00:48:16,485
as it's been said, it's, it's, it's good

926
00:48:16,485 --> 00:48:20,325
and healthy to be reminded of, of the struggle.

927
00:48:20,505 --> 00:48:22,685
And the struggle is real. So appreciate you and,

928
00:48:22,825 --> 00:48:26,125
and thank you very much and I, I really wish the rebuilding

929
00:48:26,825 --> 00:48:30,045
and the conflict ending like tomorrow

930
00:48:30,465 --> 00:48:32,445
and the rebuilding continue.

931
00:48:32,505 --> 00:48:33,505
So thank you

932
00:48:34,395 --> 00:48:35,405
Councilor Kaplan.

933
00:48:36,735 --> 00:48:39,725
Thank, thank you Mayor. I don't have a whole lot to add.

934
00:48:39,725 --> 00:48:42,365
Thank you to the eloquent words of those who spoke

935
00:48:42,365 --> 00:48:46,285
before me, particularly Councilor Dale and Councillor Bloom

936
00:48:46,505 --> 00:48:49,285
and, and both to you, Jim and, and and Ben.

937
00:48:49,285 --> 00:48:50,885
Thank you so much for all that you do.

938
00:48:51,445 --> 00:48:55,045
I think all of us have a, you know, a different lens of

939
00:48:55,185 --> 00:48:56,245
how we look at these things.

940
00:48:56,565 --> 00:48:57,725
I have a personal lens.

941
00:48:57,825 --> 00:49:00,605
My, one of my grandfathers was one

942
00:49:00,605 --> 00:49:03,645
of my grandparents was born in, in Ukraine

943
00:49:03,825 --> 00:49:06,365
and came to this country many years ago.

944
00:49:06,405 --> 00:49:08,445
I never met him. He died when my mother was 13.

945
00:49:09,065 --> 00:49:12,165
But I, I think about him and his family

946
00:49:12,945 --> 00:49:16,405
and I appreciate all that you're doing for, for, you know,

947
00:49:16,505 --> 00:49:19,765
our si sisters and brothers in, in Ukraine.

948
00:49:19,985 --> 00:49:20,985
So thank you very much.

949
00:49:23,255 --> 00:49:24,405
Councillor Sherell.

950
00:49:24,595 --> 00:49:26,445
Yeah, I don't know how I can follow all of that,

951
00:49:26,505 --> 00:49:28,005
but just thank you so much for your service.

952
00:49:28,505 --> 00:49:30,245
Not just the two of you, but the rest of your group

953
00:49:30,825 --> 00:49:32,805
and the people that you leave behind when you go

954
00:49:33,105 --> 00:49:34,885
and the people to support you and call you every day

955
00:49:34,885 --> 00:49:36,165
and say thank you and we love you.

956
00:49:36,805 --> 00:49:39,845
We're really lucky to have members like you in this room

957
00:49:39,845 --> 00:49:41,325
and in our community and I'm

958
00:49:41,325 --> 00:49:42,485
glad you made it back safe, mayor.

959
00:49:43,335 --> 00:49:46,045
Thank you. Say just one thing.

960
00:49:46,235 --> 00:49:47,805
This is a very key moment right now

961
00:49:47,805 --> 00:49:49,685
that I just heard on the way over here

962
00:49:49,685 --> 00:49:53,085
that the Senate is going to hopefully pass a bill

963
00:49:53,185 --> 00:49:55,605
for severe sanctions on Russia, which

964
00:49:56,505 --> 00:49:59,125
can totally change the tenor of this war

965
00:49:59,125 --> 00:50:01,325
and could potentially end it in short order.

966
00:50:01,825 --> 00:50:03,725
So now if there ever was a time

967
00:50:03,745 --> 00:50:06,685
to call your Congress people, whoever you know,

968
00:50:06,685 --> 00:50:08,285
and you guys have more influence

969
00:50:08,565 --> 00:50:11,845
'cause you're, you're in the political sphere, please

970
00:50:12,905 --> 00:50:14,805
use your influence to, to make sure

971
00:50:14,805 --> 00:50:16,525
that the Senate doesn't get cold feet

972
00:50:16,525 --> 00:50:19,765
because this is a critical moment right now there 82

973
00:50:19,765 --> 00:50:21,725
senators have signed on for a bill

974
00:50:21,725 --> 00:50:23,325
of a hundred percent sanctions

975
00:50:23,325 --> 00:50:26,085
and that could totally change the tenor of this war.

976
00:50:26,585 --> 00:50:28,325
So now's the time to put the pressure

977
00:50:28,345 --> 00:50:29,645
on to make a difference.

978
00:50:29,955 --> 00:50:31,005
Yeah, thank you.

979
00:50:31,505 --> 00:50:33,445
And I, I would just like, once again,

980
00:50:33,445 --> 00:50:36,045
thank you Mayor Graham, thank you council members

981
00:50:36,075 --> 00:50:39,925
because you're bringing this to the forefront

982
00:50:40,025 --> 00:50:42,925
of this community certainly helps our fundraising efforts

983
00:50:43,305 --> 00:50:44,525
and without your support,

984
00:50:44,825 --> 00:50:48,605
I'm sure we couldn't have done it nearly as successful

985
00:50:48,625 --> 00:50:50,205
as we have been able to do it.

986
00:50:50,345 --> 00:50:51,345
So thank you.

987
00:50:52,095 --> 00:50:54,125
Thank you both safe travel's. Been

988
00:51:08,225 --> 00:51:09,605
we are now to public forum.

989
00:51:14,545 --> 00:51:16,285
We have 15 minutes for public forum

990
00:51:16,305 --> 00:51:19,005
and we have five people who have spoke, signed up

991
00:51:19,005 --> 00:51:22,125
to speak public forum is for any items

992
00:51:22,395 --> 00:51:25,205
that are not on the agenda for the evening.

993
00:51:25,915 --> 00:51:29,045
Generally I tell people how to sign up,

994
00:51:29,045 --> 00:51:31,845
but today with the agenda changes, I skipped,

995
00:51:32,045 --> 00:51:33,085
I missed that section.

996
00:51:33,265 --> 00:51:36,485
So if you're intending to speak tonight on something

997
00:51:36,485 --> 00:51:40,485
that is not on the agenda, can you please raise your hand

998
00:51:40,485 --> 00:51:41,885
so I know if we've got everyone?

999
00:51:42,275 --> 00:51:44,565
Okay. So what you'll like to, what you'll do ma'am, is

1000
00:51:44,565 --> 00:51:46,205
to please go over and

1001
00:51:46,205 --> 00:51:48,285
and get one of those sheets and fill it out.

1002
00:51:48,625 --> 00:51:50,445
Yes, exactly. And bring it to Alyssa.

1003
00:51:50,745 --> 00:51:53,045
And it looks like that'll make seven people who,

1004
00:51:53,225 --> 00:51:54,605
who are have signed up to speak.

1005
00:51:54,945 --> 00:51:56,645
So go ahead. Is that the last one?

1006
00:51:57,555 --> 00:52:02,005
There's no more. There's no more. This one. Okay.

1007
00:52:02,345 --> 00:52:05,765
So if the two of you can please get your papers in quickly.

1008
00:52:06,105 --> 00:52:09,125
You don't want to, okay. Oh, you're here.

1009
00:52:10,835 --> 00:52:12,925
Okay, great. So we'll go ahead and get started.

1010
00:52:13,355 --> 00:52:16,845
Each person will have two

1011
00:52:16,905 --> 00:52:18,525
and a half minutes to speak.

1012
00:52:19,745 --> 00:52:21,645
You'll come up to this microphone here.

1013
00:52:21,865 --> 00:52:25,965
You'll have a, a light display that tells you

1014
00:52:25,965 --> 00:52:27,045
where you're at in your time.

1015
00:52:27,045 --> 00:52:28,925
There's also going to be time up on the clock.

1016
00:52:29,435 --> 00:52:31,525
When you get to, when you have 20 seconds left,

1017
00:52:31,525 --> 00:52:33,805
you'll hear a chime and your light will turn

1018
00:52:33,805 --> 00:52:35,085
to yellow from green.

1019
00:52:35,505 --> 00:52:38,405
And then when you are out of time, it'll go to red

1020
00:52:38,745 --> 00:52:41,045
and the time will will end on the clock

1021
00:52:41,345 --> 00:52:43,125
and you'll hear another chime.

1022
00:52:43,145 --> 00:52:45,485
At which point, please finish the sentence that you're on so

1023
00:52:45,485 --> 00:52:46,885
that we can move on to the next person.

1024
00:52:48,465 --> 00:52:52,925
The people who have signed up to speak are aero, Paul

1025
00:52:53,555 --> 00:52:55,645
Mina, Debbie Swan,

1026
00:52:58,465 --> 00:53:01,325
and Ashley Ro Roberts,

1027
00:53:02,345 --> 00:53:03,685
and then Kathy Bowen Jones.

1028
00:53:03,745 --> 00:53:05,925
And then we have one more person. So please go ahead.

1029
00:53:06,615 --> 00:53:10,965
We'll start with Aguero. Are they here? Go ahead.

1030
00:53:19,345 --> 00:53:22,485
Hi, a ****, you know I'm an Ashton resident.

1031
00:53:23,025 --> 00:53:25,925
I'm here to comment on the recent discussions you guys have

1032
00:53:25,925 --> 00:53:30,805
been having on the ELA expansions, the kind of control

1033
00:53:30,825 --> 00:53:34,405
of who's allowed in what places in the city of Ashland.

1034
00:53:35,215 --> 00:53:37,245
We're being told that this authority should be given

1035
00:53:37,385 --> 00:53:38,485
to the police

1036
00:53:39,745 --> 00:53:42,445
and that this authority can be used through people

1037
00:53:42,545 --> 00:53:44,605
who are not even charged with anything

1038
00:53:46,115 --> 00:53:48,285
just at the police owns accord.

1039
00:53:50,945 --> 00:53:53,045
You heard from your chief of police saying

1040
00:53:53,045 --> 00:53:54,205
that we should do this one

1041
00:53:54,405 --> 00:53:56,445
'cause Medford's doing it respectfully.

1042
00:53:56,745 --> 00:53:57,885
That's a ******** argument.

1043
00:53:58,155 --> 00:54:00,245
Another one is that there's no complaints that

1044
00:54:00,875 --> 00:54:03,125
your current policies are not equitable.

1045
00:54:03,825 --> 00:54:06,005
My personal experiences with the police here,

1046
00:54:06,585 --> 00:54:08,045
I'm not gonna explain it on record,

1047
00:54:08,265 --> 00:54:10,285
but I'm not gonna complain like that

1048
00:54:10,605 --> 00:54:13,165
'cause I've been profiled,

1049
00:54:13,955 --> 00:54:16,005
I've been defecated by the police here.

1050
00:54:16,385 --> 00:54:18,925
So yeah, if I'm being charged

1051
00:54:19,185 --> 00:54:21,565
or something, I'm not gonna go complain to the police.

1052
00:54:21,665 --> 00:54:23,365
And that's just not, that's not just me.

1053
00:54:23,365 --> 00:54:25,165
That's many people of color here.

1054
00:54:25,165 --> 00:54:27,005
That's many houses people here.

1055
00:54:27,265 --> 00:54:31,085
So, and kind of like taking us out of like the bubble

1056
00:54:31,115 --> 00:54:33,205
that we live here in Ashland, a lot, like,

1057
00:54:34,105 --> 00:54:36,365
I'm sure you're all aware of the policies being passed in

1058
00:54:36,365 --> 00:54:37,605
Washington DC right now.

1059
00:54:38,345 --> 00:54:41,845
Who can be policed in what areas and who cannot.

1060
00:54:42,585 --> 00:54:45,645
That's exactly what is happening right here.

1061
00:54:50,515 --> 00:54:52,285
It's not just for houseless people too.

1062
00:54:53,625 --> 00:54:54,765
Our freedom of speech,

1063
00:54:58,145 --> 00:55:01,365
Ice being in our communities, people's right to protest

1064
00:55:01,555 --> 00:55:03,365
that is being under attack.

1065
00:55:05,265 --> 00:55:08,045
If you're giving police the authority to

1066
00:55:09,265 --> 00:55:13,525
remove people based on their first amendment rights, you're,

1067
00:55:13,525 --> 00:55:16,045
you're doing Trump's job for them.

1068
00:55:16,425 --> 00:55:20,725
For him, you are giving the police more power

1069
00:55:22,105 --> 00:55:25,205
on freedom of speech, who can beware

1070
00:55:26,515 --> 00:55:30,645
with no actual convictions, just authority from the police.

1071
00:55:33,825 --> 00:55:35,325
And I got 20 seconds.

1072
00:55:36,545 --> 00:55:38,045
I'd also like, now that I'm here,

1073
00:55:39,155 --> 00:55:42,085
I've written you all multiple emails about

1074
00:55:42,625 --> 00:55:45,565
our police department being in circles with ice.

1075
00:55:46,435 --> 00:55:50,325
I've asked you what kind of comments I can get from that.

1076
00:55:50,725 --> 00:55:52,605
I haven't heard anything. We,

1077
00:55:53,065 --> 00:55:55,565
our police department is in the same circles as ice

1078
00:55:56,865 --> 00:55:58,965
and yeah, I would just like a response to that.

1079
00:55:59,105 --> 00:56:02,565
So if you want Ashton

1080
00:56:02,565 --> 00:56:04,285
to be a police city, do it.

1081
00:56:04,305 --> 00:56:07,125
But just reevaluate the values you say the city

1082
00:56:07,125 --> 00:56:09,445
of Ashton has, if you're gonna do that. Thanks.

1083
00:56:10,135 --> 00:56:13,125
Thank you. Paul Mina,

1084
00:56:15,285 --> 00:56:16,445
followed by Debbie Wan.

1085
00:56:17,985 --> 00:56:19,965
My name's Paul Mina. I live in Ashland.

1086
00:56:20,705 --> 00:56:22,885
I'd like to call your attention again to the, to

1087
00:56:22,885 --> 00:56:26,045
what happened at, at the recent budget process,

1088
00:56:26,385 --> 00:56:28,325
the 20 25, 20 27 budget.

1089
00:56:29,905 --> 00:56:31,365
The, the city of Ashton, you,

1090
00:56:31,365 --> 00:56:33,045
you violated some important principles.

1091
00:56:33,065 --> 00:56:35,605
The council, the mayor, the, the city administrator, the,

1092
00:56:35,605 --> 00:56:37,445
the city attorney, the police, the police chief.

1093
00:56:37,825 --> 00:56:40,085
And, and one of those is the oath of office that you took,

1094
00:56:40,085 --> 00:56:42,965
which was to support the city charter.

1095
00:56:43,505 --> 00:56:45,645
And so lemme I just wanna call your attention to, to

1096
00:56:45,645 --> 00:56:47,805
what happened during that budget process

1097
00:56:48,225 --> 00:56:49,885
and how he violated the city charter.

1098
00:56:49,985 --> 00:56:51,845
And I'm speaking about mayor

1099
00:56:51,845 --> 00:56:52,845
Point of order.

1100
00:56:52,865 --> 00:56:55,725
No, not yet. I I'd like to, I'd like

1101
00:56:55,725 --> 00:56:57,045
to speak, I'd like to complete my thought.

1102
00:56:57,045 --> 00:57:00,245
If I can, I can I get some time back on my clock there.

1103
00:57:00,505 --> 00:57:01,605
I'm I'm being interrupted.

1104
00:57:01,685 --> 00:57:02,725
I I would appreciate it if

1105
00:57:02,725 --> 00:57:04,045
you could go ahead, give that time back. Yeah,

1106
00:57:04,045 --> 00:57:05,205
If you can give him a little bit more time.

1107
00:57:05,525 --> 00:57:09,605
I, I appreciate that. The Ashland Charter chapter eight,

1108
00:57:09,605 --> 00:57:12,765
section six says, proceedings to be public.

1109
00:57:13,545 --> 00:57:15,685
No action by the council shall have legal effect

1110
00:57:15,685 --> 00:57:17,405
unless the motion for the action

1111
00:57:17,425 --> 00:57:19,645
and the vote there on take place at

1112
00:57:19,645 --> 00:57:21,045
proceedings open to the public.

1113
00:57:21,795 --> 00:57:25,445
This council amended the budget that was approved

1114
00:57:25,445 --> 00:57:26,765
by the Citizens Budget Committee

1115
00:57:27,985 --> 00:57:31,165
and that amendment process was not open to the public.

1116
00:57:31,165 --> 00:57:32,445
There was no public vote.

1117
00:57:33,185 --> 00:57:34,885
You, I mean, you had the discussion in public,

1118
00:57:34,905 --> 00:57:38,725
but there was no motion or public vote to make that change.

1119
00:57:38,745 --> 00:57:42,685
You made a decision and, and you did not have a vote

1120
00:57:42,705 --> 00:57:44,125
or a motion to make that decision.

1121
00:57:44,505 --> 00:57:48,685
In chapter in section nine it says vote required except

1122
00:57:48,745 --> 00:57:52,125
as this charter otherwise provides, the concurrence

1123
00:57:52,145 --> 00:57:53,605
of a majority of the members

1124
00:57:53,605 --> 00:57:56,725
of council present at a council meeting shall be necessary

1125
00:57:56,825 --> 00:57:58,845
to decide any question before the council.

1126
00:57:59,265 --> 00:58:01,005
You had a question before that council

1127
00:58:01,025 --> 00:58:03,125
and that was the funding for the childcare grant program.

1128
00:58:04,185 --> 00:58:06,565
You debated it, you talked about it, you gave instructions

1129
00:58:06,565 --> 00:58:07,565
to the city administrator.

1130
00:58:07,865 --> 00:58:10,685
And then at the budget meeting on June, on June 3rd,

1131
00:58:11,665 --> 00:58:13,885
you simply assumed that a motion,

1132
00:58:14,145 --> 00:58:17,525
in fact the Deputy Adminis administrator said

1133
00:58:17,525 --> 00:58:21,245
that a motion had actually been, been taken on this.

1134
00:58:21,295 --> 00:58:23,165
There was no motion, there was no vote,

1135
00:58:23,165 --> 00:58:24,485
there was no public vote taken.

1136
00:58:24,865 --> 00:58:26,885
You violated two important chapters

1137
00:58:27,145 --> 00:58:30,405
of the charter in the processing of that amendment

1138
00:58:30,585 --> 00:58:31,605
to the CBC.

1139
00:58:33,235 --> 00:58:35,885
Okay. I I just wanna make that clear. There was no vote.

1140
00:58:36,225 --> 00:58:39,485
And the charter explicitly says there's no carve out for,

1141
00:58:39,585 --> 00:58:42,525
for changes to the Citizens' Budget Committee.

1142
00:58:42,525 --> 00:58:43,605
There's no carve out there.

1143
00:58:44,265 --> 00:58:46,445
You, you, you, you have to vote on every decision.

1144
00:58:46,625 --> 00:58:48,925
The, the, the, their approved budget was on the table.

1145
00:58:49,105 --> 00:58:50,565
You decided to change it,

1146
00:58:51,025 --> 00:58:53,765
but you did not have a vote on that change.

1147
00:58:53,855 --> 00:58:55,445
Every single time a resolution comes

1148
00:58:55,445 --> 00:58:56,965
before the council, when you wanna change it,

1149
00:58:57,145 --> 00:59:00,445
you vote on the amendment and then you vote on the issue.

1150
00:59:00,465 --> 00:59:01,685
On the item as amended.

1151
00:59:02,865 --> 00:59:04,965
Can I have a couple more seconds? I was interrupted by

1152
00:59:04,965 --> 00:59:05,965
You.

1153
00:59:05,965 --> 00:59:08,365
Were you added? She added time to your time Mr. Mina. Okay.

1154
00:59:08,405 --> 00:59:10,645
I appreciate that. Thank you. And I thank you very much.

1155
00:59:10,885 --> 00:59:12,925
I really have a problem with the way you all handled

1156
00:59:12,925 --> 00:59:13,925
This.

1157
00:59:13,925 --> 00:59:14,085
Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Mina.

1158
00:59:14,085 --> 00:59:17,045
Mayor. Point of order. Yes, I move to suspend the rules.

1159
00:59:17,625 --> 00:59:20,205
Second. Yes. I'd like to address this.

1160
00:59:20,235 --> 00:59:22,525
This has been coming up multiple times. Mr.

1161
00:59:22,845 --> 00:59:24,605
Mina has been responded to on these claims.

1162
00:59:24,885 --> 00:59:27,245
I would like an opportunity for the city attorney to respond

1163
00:59:27,245 --> 00:59:28,525
to this publicly so

1164
00:59:28,525 --> 00:59:30,245
that this misinformation does not continue.

1165
00:59:32,515 --> 00:59:37,205
City Attorney. Thank you, mayor.

1166
00:59:42,585 --> 00:59:44,125
I'm just looking for the exact date.

1167
00:59:45,795 --> 00:59:47,365
This has come up numerous times

1168
00:59:48,985 --> 00:59:51,245
and it looks like on,

1169
00:59:53,095 --> 00:59:54,485
sorry, I'm trying to find the date here.

1170
00:59:56,745 --> 01:00:00,725
On July 2nd, I responded to Mr.

1171
01:00:01,005 --> 01:00:02,845
Mina and I will read that email as follows.

1172
01:00:03,885 --> 01:00:06,245
I reviewed the email that you sit and study of council and

1173
01:00:06,405 --> 01:00:07,565
provided my analysis back to them.

1174
01:00:07,685 --> 01:00:09,925
I also had conversations with department heads

1175
01:00:10,025 --> 01:00:11,485
and council members to address any

1176
01:00:11,485 --> 01:00:12,605
follow-up questions they had.

1177
01:00:12,965 --> 01:00:14,525
I will summarize very briefly for you.

1178
01:00:16,025 --> 01:00:18,485
My interpretation was that the study session relating

1179
01:00:18,485 --> 01:00:20,925
to the principle subject of a financial update was a

1180
01:00:20,925 --> 01:00:22,085
perfectly legitimate time

1181
01:00:22,105 --> 01:00:24,525
to discuss financial questions pertaining to the budget.

1182
01:00:25,405 --> 01:00:27,845
Additionally, as a matter of state law, the absence

1183
01:00:27,845 --> 01:00:30,445
of a subject from a notice does not preclude the governing

1184
01:00:30,445 --> 01:00:31,845
body from discussing it.

1185
01:00:32,455 --> 01:00:36,005
Under the Oregon Public Meetings law, the list

1186
01:00:36,005 --> 01:00:38,205
of anticipated subject does not limit the ability

1187
01:00:38,545 --> 01:00:41,285
of a governing body to consider additional subjects.

1188
01:00:41,365 --> 01:00:43,365
CORS 1 92 0.640

1189
01:00:44,865 --> 01:00:46,485
by consensus at a study session,

1190
01:00:46,665 --> 01:00:49,485
the council may direct staff to act on other matters

1191
01:00:49,635 --> 01:00:51,405
that do not require council decision

1192
01:00:51,405 --> 01:00:53,005
by ordinance or resolution.

1193
01:00:53,155 --> 01:00:55,125
That comes from Ashland Municipal Code

1194
01:00:55,665 --> 01:00:58,765
2.04020 C section one.

1195
01:01:00,265 --> 01:01:01,885
In this case the budget resolution,

1196
01:01:02,105 --> 01:01:04,125
or excuse me, in this case, the budget resolution

1197
01:01:04,125 --> 01:01:06,645
that was noticed and eventually put forth had council's

1198
01:01:06,725 --> 01:01:08,645
guidance and direction that included changes

1199
01:01:08,705 --> 01:01:10,285
to not use the Reserve Fund

1200
01:01:10,465 --> 01:01:13,165
and rather to take it from the additional funds released

1201
01:01:13,195 --> 01:01:16,605
from the parks fee and then re-appropriate a portion from

1202
01:01:16,605 --> 01:01:19,565
the HO homeless budget, which can get replenished

1203
01:01:19,625 --> 01:01:20,725
as needed mid-year.

1204
01:01:21,315 --> 01:01:23,165
That is what council voted on at the

1205
01:01:23,165 --> 01:01:24,245
budget adoption meeting.

1206
01:01:25,175 --> 01:01:27,285
There was no need for a motion to amend the budget

1207
01:01:27,285 --> 01:01:29,725
because it was already discussed in prior sessions

1208
01:01:29,825 --> 01:01:32,285
and included in the budget that they were presented

1209
01:01:32,305 --> 01:01:34,685
to vote on per budget law.

1210
01:01:34,855 --> 01:01:36,885
After the budget committee has approved the budget

1211
01:01:36,985 --> 01:01:38,285
and a public hearing was held,

1212
01:01:38,625 --> 01:01:41,285
the city council can make changes to the budget

1213
01:01:41,355 --> 01:01:43,205
that was approved when adopting the budget.

1214
01:01:44,035 --> 01:01:45,765
They do not have to go back to the

1215
01:01:46,845 --> 01:01:50,525
CBC if the expenditure is under 10%,

1216
01:01:50,975 --> 01:01:52,045
which it was not.

1217
01:01:53,585 --> 01:01:54,925
Excuse me, which it was. And

1218
01:01:54,925 --> 01:01:57,045
that comes from the local management budget

1219
01:01:57,065 --> 01:01:58,845
manual, chapter 11.

1220
01:01:58,985 --> 01:02:02,005
And also from ORS 2 9 4 0.456.

1221
01:02:02,915 --> 01:02:05,325
Council more than sufficiently discussed the change in

1222
01:02:05,645 --> 01:02:07,205
previous council sessions and right

1223
01:02:07,205 --> 01:02:10,165
before the public hearing or at the public hearing.

1224
01:02:10,345 --> 01:02:11,925
So it was clear and transparent

1225
01:02:11,925 --> 01:02:13,645
before they voted on the adopted budget.

1226
01:02:14,145 --> 01:02:15,325
Budget law provides

1227
01:02:15,325 --> 01:02:18,445
that the Budget Council adopts can already have those

1228
01:02:19,075 --> 01:02:21,645
changes in place and they can vote on it.

1229
01:02:21,645 --> 01:02:24,605
That is what occurred. All members of the council

1230
01:02:24,665 --> 01:02:26,565
and staff took your concerns seriously.

1231
01:02:26,945 --> 01:02:29,565
And I provided responses to them to address them

1232
01:02:29,585 --> 01:02:30,845
and explain the legal approach.

1233
01:02:30,975 --> 01:02:32,245
Thank, thank you for bringing your

1234
01:02:32,245 --> 01:02:33,605
concerns to the attention of the council.

1235
01:02:34,935 --> 01:02:38,525
Thank you. We'll return to Public forum

1236
01:02:39,105 --> 01:02:40,245
Debbie Wan.

1237
01:02:40,785 --> 01:02:41,885
Debbie said to leave.

1238
01:02:42,515 --> 01:02:46,125
Okay, then Ashley Roberts.

1239
01:02:54,935 --> 01:02:58,245
Hello? Yes, yes. I'm Ashley Roberts.

1240
01:02:58,305 --> 01:03:01,565
I'm here to comment also on the proposed changes

1241
01:03:01,705 --> 01:03:04,205
to the police's exclusion zones downtown.

1242
01:03:05,825 --> 01:03:10,565
So to the community, the current exclusion zone ordinance

1243
01:03:11,085 --> 01:03:15,925
downtown states that if the police identify a person

1244
01:03:15,995 --> 01:03:17,325
that has three

1245
01:03:17,345 --> 01:03:20,045
or more violation qualifying charges,

1246
01:03:22,115 --> 01:03:24,445
convictions, then they have the authority

1247
01:03:24,545 --> 01:03:26,605
to remove certain people from downtown.

1248
01:03:27,065 --> 01:03:29,645
And the police chief is trying to change it so that

1249
01:03:31,345 --> 01:03:32,885
police will have the authority

1250
01:03:33,025 --> 01:03:35,725
to remove people if they're just have

1251
01:03:37,035 --> 01:03:39,685
certain violation charges without even being

1252
01:03:39,685 --> 01:03:40,845
committed of a crime.

1253
01:03:43,545 --> 01:03:46,005
And I have to speak honestly here,

1254
01:03:46,075 --> 01:03:48,485
this policy is absolutely unhinged

1255
01:03:48,625 --> 01:03:51,045
and city council, you need to understand this.

1256
01:03:51,825 --> 01:03:55,525
The exclusion zone policies in place are already a violation

1257
01:03:55,525 --> 01:03:58,005
of the constitutional right to exist in public spaces.

1258
01:03:58,625 --> 01:04:00,285
But with this, a PD is trying

1259
01:04:00,285 --> 01:04:03,165
to completely eliminate due process for unhoused people,

1260
01:04:03,545 --> 01:04:05,445
the most vulnerable members of our community.

1261
01:04:06,225 --> 01:04:10,085
It is unhinged to propose giving a PD the absolute power

1262
01:04:10,145 --> 01:04:13,205
to remove whoever they want from the city without a criminal

1263
01:04:13,205 --> 01:04:16,125
conviction who will hold a PD accountable.

1264
01:04:16,625 --> 01:04:18,205
You have this list of violations

1265
01:04:18,235 --> 01:04:19,845
that would justify removing people,

1266
01:04:20,265 --> 01:04:21,885
but if there are no courts involved,

1267
01:04:22,075 --> 01:04:25,005
what will stop Ashland cops from just like lying

1268
01:04:25,345 --> 01:04:28,365
and saying that people were committing violations on the

1269
01:04:28,365 --> 01:04:29,445
list when it isn't true?

1270
01:04:30,155 --> 01:04:32,925
What will stop a PD from just removing whoever

1271
01:04:32,925 --> 01:04:33,965
they want from downtown?

1272
01:04:35,195 --> 01:04:38,045
Make no mistake, this is the exact same dynamic at play

1273
01:04:38,045 --> 01:04:39,285
with Donald Trump and Ice.

1274
01:04:39,865 --> 01:04:42,245
Donald Trump is giving ice the absolute power

1275
01:04:42,305 --> 01:04:44,005
to remove anyone that they want from the country

1276
01:04:44,725 --> 01:04:45,765
stripping away due process

1277
01:04:46,185 --> 01:04:47,605
and not allowing those targeted

1278
01:04:47,705 --> 01:04:51,325
to defend themselves in a court of law city council,

1279
01:04:51,625 --> 01:04:54,445
you are in a position of power in which you could choose

1280
01:04:54,445 --> 01:04:57,405
to do something to absolutely compassionately help the

1281
01:04:57,405 --> 01:04:58,925
unhoused members of our community.

1282
01:04:59,195 --> 01:05:01,605
Instead of trying to make their suffering invisible in the

1283
01:05:01,605 --> 01:05:04,605
name of property value, you could remove the exclusion

1284
01:05:04,655 --> 01:05:07,445
zones, move money and resources away from policing,

1285
01:05:07,465 --> 01:05:10,565
and instead support evidence-based practices like harm

1286
01:05:10,805 --> 01:05:12,085
reduction and affordable housing.

1287
01:05:12,635 --> 01:05:14,765
However, if you instead approve this,

1288
01:05:14,985 --> 01:05:17,045
you'll be worsening policies that attempt

1289
01:05:17,125 --> 01:05:20,125
to hide homelessness rather than address its root causes.

1290
01:05:20,425 --> 01:05:23,245
And you'll be voluntarily bringing Donald Trump's fascism

1291
01:05:23,465 --> 01:05:26,125
and police violence to Ashland without him

1292
01:05:26,125 --> 01:05:27,325
even asking you to do so.

1293
01:05:27,745 --> 01:05:30,085
Donald Trump is building concentration camps

1294
01:05:30,085 --> 01:05:31,205
for immigrants and homeless people.

1295
01:05:31,475 --> 01:05:32,475
What will you do?

1296
01:05:33,255 --> 01:05:36,685
Thank you. I will remind the audience

1297
01:05:36,715 --> 01:05:40,445
that we do not have, we don't have shows

1298
01:05:40,505 --> 01:05:41,645
of support in that way.

1299
01:05:42,065 --> 01:05:44,485
If you are supportive of something, somebody says,

1300
01:05:44,945 --> 01:05:48,165
the the universal sign of applause for,

1301
01:05:50,105 --> 01:05:51,765
for sign language is, is something

1302
01:05:51,765 --> 01:05:53,725
that this entire council can see

1303
01:05:53,725 --> 01:05:55,805
and it stays within the decorum of the meeting.

1304
01:05:56,865 --> 01:06:00,645
We now move the next people on are Kathy Bowen Jones,

1305
01:06:00,965 --> 01:06:02,005
followed by Maggie Thompson.

1306
01:06:19,205 --> 01:06:20,885
I am shorter than everyone else, I guess.

1307
01:06:22,225 --> 01:06:25,645
Hi, I'm Kathy Bowen Jones and I've never done this before,

1308
01:06:25,785 --> 01:06:29,285
but I taught high school at Ashen High for 37 years

1309
01:06:29,585 --> 01:06:33,445
and I, I guess the kids are probably, if they're watching,

1310
01:06:33,445 --> 01:06:34,525
they're going okay.

1311
01:06:34,695 --> 01:06:36,765
She's got the timer that she gave us.

1312
01:06:36,985 --> 01:06:41,925
So my, I'm here

1313
01:06:42,785 --> 01:06:44,445
and I'm sure this is just a beginning

1314
01:06:44,505 --> 01:06:47,445
and I will probably not say everything that I intend to,

1315
01:06:48,265 --> 01:06:51,605
but I, I got into

1316
01:06:52,345 --> 01:06:56,685
the city politics this year over the Kero Park subdivision

1317
01:06:57,305 --> 01:07:00,805
and my great fear for fire safety, I don't live there.

1318
01:07:01,045 --> 01:07:03,485
I own a home there that I rent to seniors

1319
01:07:04,425 --> 01:07:07,525
and I live at the edge of the forest service.

1320
01:07:07,825 --> 01:07:11,205
I'm very grateful to someone who's in this audience,

1321
01:07:12,055 --> 01:07:14,125
Chris Chambers, for guiding me

1322
01:07:14,125 --> 01:07:18,365
and my husband to be firewise for over the last 35 years.

1323
01:07:20,165 --> 01:07:21,205
I have a great fear

1324
01:07:22,395 --> 01:07:24,645
that we're not doing enough in our community

1325
01:07:26,465 --> 01:07:29,925
and that we're on a collision course with infill

1326
01:07:30,905 --> 01:07:32,525
and fire safety.

1327
01:07:33,425 --> 01:07:37,005
And I think we've witnessed it intensely

1328
01:07:37,345 --> 01:07:39,845
for the last five years all over the world.

1329
01:07:40,905 --> 01:07:43,125
And we can't ignore it.

1330
01:07:43,665 --> 01:07:46,765
And I'm not saying you need to fix it

1331
01:07:47,585 --> 01:07:50,125
or our city administrators need to fix it

1332
01:07:50,745 --> 01:07:53,485
or the planning commission needs to fix it.

1333
01:07:53,885 --> 01:07:56,045
I think our whole community needs to come together.

1334
01:07:56,065 --> 01:07:58,245
And I wanna give you a model in my mind.

1335
01:07:58,945 --> 01:08:03,205
In the 1970s when the comprehensive plan was being planned

1336
01:08:03,225 --> 01:08:07,325
for this community, I participated along with

1337
01:08:07,875 --> 01:08:11,205
many other people in this community at Stevenson Union

1338
01:08:12,185 --> 01:08:14,445
and there were great leaders in that room.

1339
01:08:15,145 --> 01:08:16,365
We were all at tables.

1340
01:08:16,425 --> 01:08:21,205
It took almost a year a very thoughtful

1341
01:08:21,585 --> 01:08:24,765
and sometimes painful conversations

1342
01:08:25,075 --> 01:08:28,805
because everybody knows better than everyone else

1343
01:08:28,875 --> 01:08:30,405
what this community should look like.

1344
01:08:32,025 --> 01:08:33,205
But we all live here.

1345
01:08:34,065 --> 01:08:37,725
We love each other and we do not want

1346
01:08:38,585 --> 01:08:41,285
to see anyone in this community harmed.

1347
01:08:41,965 --> 01:08:43,165
I do not feel it's safe.

1348
01:08:43,925 --> 01:08:46,885
I do not feel that what's happening in Kestrel Park is safe.

1349
01:08:47,725 --> 01:08:49,685
I feel that we have a lot of communities

1350
01:08:49,685 --> 01:08:52,365
that do not have two outlets

1351
01:08:52,585 --> 01:08:54,925
of exit in this community.

1352
01:08:55,585 --> 01:08:56,925
And so I'm done.

1353
01:08:57,025 --> 01:08:59,765
But I would like you to think with your team

1354
01:09:00,415 --> 01:09:03,005
about bringing more of us together without timers

1355
01:09:04,065 --> 01:09:07,045
so we can be thoughtful together in a space.

1356
01:09:07,045 --> 01:09:09,685
Thank you. And really get the work done that we need.

1357
01:09:09,685 --> 01:09:10,685
Thank you to do. Thank you

1358
01:09:11,825 --> 01:09:12,825
Maggie Thompson.

1359
01:09:27,075 --> 01:09:30,375
Hi. If I need to, I would seed my time

1360
01:09:30,595 --> 01:09:33,415
to my neighbor Dan DeRoo because he wrote a letter

1361
01:09:33,915 --> 01:09:36,095
and was supposed to be able

1362
01:09:36,095 --> 01:09:38,135
to read it at this meeting tonight.

1363
01:09:38,715 --> 01:09:40,975
Is he not on your list? He's not on my list.

1364
01:09:41,325 --> 01:09:43,255
Well, he should be and I'll just step

1365
01:09:43,255 --> 01:09:44,335
away and he can What's that?

1366
01:09:44,335 --> 01:09:47,415
Read his, he's under the fire plan.

1367
01:09:47,715 --> 01:09:50,015
Oh, he's, he's signed up to speak later when we get

1368
01:09:50,015 --> 01:09:52,135
to the community Wildfire protection plan.

1369
01:09:52,395 --> 01:09:55,295
Can we restart her time? Sorry,

1370
01:09:55,935 --> 01:09:56,935
I could speak to it now.

1371
01:09:58,365 --> 01:10:01,335
This this sir, this time is the public forum time,

1372
01:10:01,335 --> 01:10:03,455
which is for issues that are not on the agenda.

1373
01:10:03,725 --> 01:10:06,415
Okay. You're signed up for later on in the evening when we

1374
01:10:06,415 --> 01:10:08,295
talk about the community wildfire protection plan.

1375
01:10:08,515 --> 01:10:11,695
Go ahead ma'am. Mine is concerned about the

1376
01:10:11,695 --> 01:10:12,935
kestrel development too.

1377
01:10:13,515 --> 01:10:16,295
We live at the top of the hill right at the edge

1378
01:10:16,515 --> 01:10:17,655
of where the grass is.

1379
01:10:18,435 --> 01:10:20,135
And my husband

1380
01:10:20,195 --> 01:10:24,295
and I have a plan that when there's a level one evac having

1381
01:10:24,355 --> 01:10:26,495
to do with the North Mountain neighborhood,

1382
01:10:26,915 --> 01:10:28,455
we will be packed and gone

1383
01:10:28,925 --> 01:10:31,095
because there's no sense in sitting around

1384
01:10:31,155 --> 01:10:34,775
and waiting to see if we can get the out, get the hell out

1385
01:10:34,775 --> 01:10:38,055
of our house, which is one block off of North Mountain.

1386
01:10:38,585 --> 01:10:42,895
There are two exits out of the whole, the Keal units below

1387
01:10:43,915 --> 01:10:45,735
the Mountain Meadows units

1388
01:10:46,555 --> 01:10:49,615
and the, the high rises at Mountain Meadows

1389
01:10:49,665 --> 01:10:53,615
where 227 people live all of that time.

1390
01:10:54,135 --> 01:10:55,815
I mean, all of those people have

1391
01:10:55,815 --> 01:10:58,095
to get out on Mountain Avenue and guess what?

1392
01:10:58,295 --> 01:11:00,975
Mountain Avenue is gonna be bumper to bumper.

1393
01:11:01,295 --> 01:11:02,815
Nobody's gonna let you out.

1394
01:11:03,475 --> 01:11:07,175
So it's just, it's just awesomely crazy

1395
01:11:08,115 --> 01:11:12,255
to allow this dense infill that they're planning

1396
01:11:12,325 --> 01:11:15,765
that Kyle Taylor is planning to build, you know,

1397
01:11:15,785 --> 01:11:19,725
20 feet away from all of the houses at the top with

1398
01:11:20,345 --> 01:11:23,325
no new roads that add any access.

1399
01:11:24,225 --> 01:11:26,325
So we're really concerned about that.

1400
01:11:27,315 --> 01:11:29,045
Many of the people at Mountain Meadows

1401
01:11:29,045 --> 01:11:33,605
and in the, in the Fair Oaks neighborhood talk about, well,

1402
01:11:34,425 --> 01:11:36,085
you know, we'll just burn in place

1403
01:11:36,845 --> 01:11:38,565
'cause many people don't drive anymore.

1404
01:11:38,945 --> 01:11:41,885
You know, the people at Mountain Meadows don't have cars

1405
01:11:42,585 --> 01:11:44,445
and they're, you know, they're walking

1406
01:11:44,445 --> 01:11:45,725
with canes and walkers.

1407
01:11:46,465 --> 01:11:50,445
So the city re really needs to, I feel, rethink

1408
01:11:50,515 --> 01:11:55,165
that density that Mr. Taylor is being allowed to develop

1409
01:11:55,735 --> 01:11:58,285
right behind all the mountain meadows

1410
01:11:58,285 --> 01:11:59,605
houses at the top of the hill.

1411
01:12:00,345 --> 01:12:04,125
And I don't have anything more to say. Thank you. Thank you.

1412
01:12:11,225 --> 01:12:14,085
So we've postponed the public hearing

1413
01:12:14,785 --> 01:12:17,725
and also the second reading on our agenda.

1414
01:12:17,825 --> 01:12:19,845
So we move now to the emergency shelter

1415
01:12:20,685 --> 01:12:22,205
contract agreement or amendment.

1416
01:12:22,875 --> 01:12:23,875
Sabrina.

1417
01:12:27,015 --> 01:12:29,485
Thank you Mayor Tonight, director Flury is here

1418
01:12:29,545 --> 01:12:31,445
to talk about the contract

1419
01:12:31,625 --> 01:12:34,805
for the construction at the 2200 Ashland Street facility.

1420
01:12:35,825 --> 01:12:38,765
If you remember, council gave direction

1421
01:12:38,985 --> 01:12:40,805
to include several things.

1422
01:12:40,905 --> 01:12:43,765
One was to make it permanently

1423
01:12:43,765 --> 01:12:45,205
usable for a severe weather shelter.

1424
01:12:45,905 --> 01:12:48,725
The other was to include showers, laundry, and storage.

1425
01:12:49,385 --> 01:12:50,525
So tonight we have

1426
01:12:50,525 --> 01:12:53,205
before you the construction contract to move forward

1427
01:12:53,995 --> 01:12:55,245
post the design phase.

1428
01:12:55,515 --> 01:12:59,405
Currently we're still on track to be open in November

1429
01:12:59,705 --> 01:13:01,565
for the winter weather for this severe weather shelter.

1430
01:13:02,545 --> 01:13:04,165
And with that I'll hand it over to Scott

1431
01:13:04,885 --> 01:13:06,205
Presentation complete.

1432
01:13:10,465 --> 01:13:12,925
So before the council tonight is a request

1433
01:13:12,945 --> 01:13:15,965
to approve a construction contract amendment

1434
01:13:16,075 --> 01:13:17,925
with Outlier Construction Company

1435
01:13:18,945 --> 01:13:22,845
for emergency shelter upgrades to 2200 Ashland Street

1436
01:13:24,985 --> 01:13:26,845
is part of your responsibility

1437
01:13:26,985 --> 01:13:28,805
as the local contract review board.

1438
01:13:29,125 --> 01:13:33,165
We'll get into some of the details of what the project plans

1439
01:13:33,225 --> 01:13:35,525
for improvement to meet code requirements

1440
01:13:36,545 --> 01:13:39,845
and facilitate its opening based on the master

1441
01:13:39,915 --> 01:13:40,965
plan recommendations.

1442
01:13:42,145 --> 01:13:45,725
So here is a general timeline of what's transpired.

1443
01:13:45,725 --> 01:13:46,805
Over the last couple years,

1444
01:13:47,745 --> 01:13:50,285
the shelter was acquired in 2023.

1445
01:13:51,385 --> 01:13:54,125
It was used as a low barrier shelter in that winter.

1446
01:13:54,845 --> 01:13:56,725
Then an ad hoc committee was established

1447
01:13:56,825 --> 01:14:00,605
and developed a master plan of which the council accepted

1448
01:14:00,605 --> 01:14:01,605
that master plan.

1449
01:14:02,215 --> 01:14:05,765
Those guiding recommendations in the master plan were then

1450
01:14:05,875 --> 01:14:09,725
used by staff to develop the solicitation documents

1451
01:14:09,945 --> 01:14:12,365
for a progressive design build project

1452
01:14:13,185 --> 01:14:17,165
to upgrade the shelter, to meet building code requirements,

1453
01:14:17,165 --> 01:14:19,165
including fire life safety requirements.

1454
01:14:20,315 --> 01:14:22,965
Then monies were requested in the budget process

1455
01:14:23,605 --> 01:14:24,845
that council approved as well.

1456
01:14:25,625 --> 01:14:27,885
So we have performed the solicitation

1457
01:14:29,945 --> 01:14:33,365
and it was approved by the legal department

1458
01:14:33,585 --> 01:14:35,845
and as I said, it was a progressive design build

1459
01:14:36,025 --> 01:14:39,365
and we did it that way in order to facilitate the kind

1460
01:14:39,365 --> 01:14:40,565
of narrow timeframe.

1461
01:14:41,105 --> 01:14:42,405
And for those who don't know,

1462
01:14:42,445 --> 01:14:46,205
a design build project brings on a mechanical electrical,

1463
01:14:46,725 --> 01:14:50,485
plumbing engineers, civil site engineers, architects

1464
01:14:50,945 --> 01:14:52,645
and the construction contractor.

1465
01:14:52,745 --> 01:14:56,845
And they all work together to develop a schematic design

1466
01:14:57,025 --> 01:15:01,645
and construction documentation for the planned improvements.

1467
01:15:01,825 --> 01:15:05,285
And then once they develop those construction documents

1468
01:15:05,285 --> 01:15:07,685
of which we've submitted to the building department,

1469
01:15:08,385 --> 01:15:10,405
the building department has reviewed those

1470
01:15:10,505 --> 01:15:12,765
and approved those for a building permit.

1471
01:15:14,185 --> 01:15:15,645
The contractor develops

1472
01:15:15,645 --> 01:15:18,445
what they call a guaranteed maximum price

1473
01:15:19,145 --> 01:15:21,165
and as part of that guaranteed maximum price,

1474
01:15:21,165 --> 01:15:24,365
that covers all of the construction activities plan

1475
01:15:24,365 --> 01:15:26,165
to upgrade that facility.

1476
01:15:26,785 --> 01:15:30,205
So we've gone through those steps currently

1477
01:15:30,665 --> 01:15:33,205
and that's what's before the council tonight is

1478
01:15:33,205 --> 01:15:36,925
that construction cost amendment to our base

1479
01:15:37,525 --> 01:15:40,605
schematic design and construction document contract

1480
01:15:40,605 --> 01:15:42,325
that we've approved internally.

1481
01:15:42,425 --> 01:15:47,165
As part of this process, I, as the city manager said,

1482
01:15:47,505 --> 01:15:50,445
you know, the improvements are developing new restroom

1483
01:15:50,445 --> 01:15:54,685
facilities with shower, new laundry facilities, washer

1484
01:15:54,685 --> 01:15:57,165
and dryer facilities in the facil in the building itself.

1485
01:15:58,785 --> 01:16:02,205
And these facilities per the code

1486
01:16:03,215 --> 01:16:06,005
allow a certain level of occupancy within the building.

1487
01:16:06,545 --> 01:16:08,485
So the main portion of the shelter in

1488
01:16:08,485 --> 01:16:12,245
what we call the garage area, was designed to allow

1489
01:16:12,265 --> 01:16:16,085
for an occupant load overnight load of 32 occupants

1490
01:16:16,085 --> 01:16:17,245
with two shelter staff.

1491
01:16:18,055 --> 01:16:21,485
There is also two overflow areas designed

1492
01:16:21,985 --> 01:16:26,125
and the facility as well that can allow another 22 occupants

1493
01:16:26,865 --> 01:16:28,645
and two more additional staff

1494
01:16:29,155 --> 01:16:32,725
potentially requiring additional outside restroom facilities

1495
01:16:33,385 --> 01:16:34,965
and shower facilities as part of that.

1496
01:16:35,745 --> 01:16:40,245
The code, I believe it is nine people per

1497
01:16:41,505 --> 01:16:45,085
shower or nine people per restroom

1498
01:16:45,385 --> 01:16:47,165
and 10 people per shower, vice versa.

1499
01:16:47,665 --> 01:16:48,885
And so that's what they use

1500
01:16:48,885 --> 01:16:51,645
to establish those occupancy loads for the building

1501
01:16:52,705 --> 01:16:55,045
and also to meet fire life safety requirements.

1502
01:16:55,045 --> 01:16:56,485
They'll be the installation

1503
01:16:56,705 --> 01:16:59,805
of fire sprinklers throughout the whole facility itself.

1504
01:17:00,825 --> 01:17:03,365
And then as part of our design process,

1505
01:17:03,665 --> 01:17:08,365
we talked about alternate additions into the design scope.

1506
01:17:09,385 --> 01:17:13,365
And the first alternate addition is the adding

1507
01:17:13,505 --> 01:17:17,605
of a new HVAC system to provide for adequate heating

1508
01:17:17,605 --> 01:17:21,045
and cooling in the primary garage shelter area.

1509
01:17:21,985 --> 01:17:23,805
The current units are undersized

1510
01:17:24,465 --> 01:17:27,445
and don't provide adequate heating

1511
01:17:27,445 --> 01:17:28,845
and cooling for the whole facility.

1512
01:17:28,945 --> 01:17:31,965
So the recommendation as part of that design process was to

1513
01:17:32,505 --> 01:17:33,805
add an additional unit.

1514
01:17:35,225 --> 01:17:39,325
And part of the other scope is to recommend to replace two

1515
01:17:39,325 --> 01:17:43,005
of the existing units that are essentially end of life.

1516
01:17:43,005 --> 01:17:44,485
They were installed in 93

1517
01:17:45,265 --> 01:17:47,765
and there's concern of keeping those going

1518
01:17:48,225 --> 01:17:50,605
and having a catastrophic failure at some point,

1519
01:17:50,605 --> 01:17:53,005
knowing our luck during when the shelter's open.

1520
01:17:53,105 --> 01:17:55,525
So the recommendation is to replace those.

1521
01:17:56,885 --> 01:17:59,885
There'll be new a DA access from the exterior,

1522
01:17:59,945 --> 01:18:03,285
so a DA parking, it will be leveled at grade

1523
01:18:03,465 --> 01:18:06,245
and a DA access into the facility itself.

1524
01:18:07,265 --> 01:18:08,725
And so, as I said,

1525
01:18:09,295 --> 01:18:12,085
we've received the code review approval from the building

1526
01:18:12,085 --> 01:18:15,485
department and the building permit has also been approved.

1527
01:18:16,065 --> 01:18:18,845
All of the documentation has been submitted by architect

1528
01:18:18,845 --> 01:18:21,365
and outlier and been reviewed by our building official

1529
01:18:21,425 --> 01:18:24,285
and green-lighted for the next phase of construction.

1530
01:18:24,285 --> 01:18:26,005
And so that's what brings us here tonight

1531
01:18:26,665 --> 01:18:29,485
for contract approval for that construction phase.

1532
01:18:30,665 --> 01:18:32,685
So here's a look at the overall building

1533
01:18:32,685 --> 01:18:34,845
layout that was in your packet.

1534
01:18:34,945 --> 01:18:37,525
As you can see in what we call the garage area,

1535
01:18:37,525 --> 01:18:40,085
there's the addition of the fire riser room

1536
01:18:40,105 --> 01:18:43,445
for the fire sprinkler structure, a restroom

1537
01:18:43,445 --> 01:18:45,445
with shower facility, a washer

1538
01:18:45,445 --> 01:18:47,525
and dryer outside that restroom, kind

1539
01:18:47,525 --> 01:18:49,365
of a utility kitchen area.

1540
01:18:50,265 --> 01:18:54,845
And then the actual open space shelter area,

1541
01:18:55,595 --> 01:18:58,685
there's a firewall break between that garage area

1542
01:18:59,465 --> 01:19:01,205
and the main portion of the building

1543
01:19:01,925 --> 01:19:03,325
that's accessed through a door.

1544
01:19:03,665 --> 01:19:06,925
And then within that middle section of the building,

1545
01:19:07,475 --> 01:19:10,765
they are restructuring the existing restrooms to allow

1546
01:19:10,765 --> 01:19:12,085
for an additional restroom.

1547
01:19:12,825 --> 01:19:16,365
So we go from two restrooms in the facility to four all

1548
01:19:16,365 --> 01:19:18,925
with showers and two, the two of them

1549
01:19:19,425 --> 01:19:21,765
or three of them are a d, a accessible restrooms.

1550
01:19:21,905 --> 01:19:24,285
And then the addition of a washer

1551
01:19:24,285 --> 01:19:26,365
and dryer within the main body of the facility.

1552
01:19:26,665 --> 01:19:29,325
And then also kind of galley style kitchen

1553
01:19:30,285 --> 01:19:31,325
within that facility.

1554
01:19:31,345 --> 01:19:34,765
And you can see there's two areas that allow

1555
01:19:34,765 --> 01:19:38,725
for additional overflow common area here in the main space

1556
01:19:39,065 --> 01:19:41,845
and the common area here to the east.

1557
01:19:42,875 --> 01:19:45,765
Then all the offices, you know, are available

1558
01:19:45,905 --> 01:19:49,565
for potential other uses for the facility itself.

1559
01:19:49,665 --> 01:19:50,805
And then as part

1560
01:19:50,805 --> 01:19:54,285
of the project they'll supply storage lockers for storage

1561
01:19:54,665 --> 01:19:56,565
of anything that gets brought into

1562
01:19:57,265 --> 01:19:58,885
the shelter when it's operational.

1563
01:20:01,625 --> 01:20:04,885
And as I said, as part of the structure of the contract,

1564
01:20:04,945 --> 01:20:06,525
we talked about those alternates.

1565
01:20:06,665 --> 01:20:09,965
And one of the alternates was the addition of

1566
01:20:10,565 --> 01:20:13,365
a new HVAC system to provide

1567
01:20:13,365 --> 01:20:14,845
for adequate heating and cooling.

1568
01:20:15,705 --> 01:20:20,045
The other addition was to run underground utility to an,

1569
01:20:20,115 --> 01:20:22,205
what we call kind of an RV pedestal

1570
01:20:22,395 --> 01:20:26,405
that could be potentially used in the future for laundry,

1571
01:20:26,505 --> 01:20:31,085
shower, restroom, hookup, RV style to the

1572
01:20:31,795 --> 01:20:33,605
west of the facility itself

1573
01:20:33,625 --> 01:20:37,925
and what would be kind of the grass area itself.

1574
01:20:38,185 --> 01:20:41,725
And so we broke it out into potential options

1575
01:20:41,745 --> 01:20:43,965
for the council to discuss the base

1576
01:20:44,525 --> 01:20:47,325
guaranteed maximum price is the facility improvements

1577
01:20:47,325 --> 01:20:51,805
themselves, the A DA, the fire, the laundry, the restrooms,

1578
01:20:51,985 --> 01:20:54,325
and that's the 856,000.

1579
01:20:55,185 --> 01:20:58,405
The addition of 60,000 for the new

1580
01:20:59,085 --> 01:21:01,525
HVAC unit would bring you to nine 17

1581
01:21:02,345 --> 01:21:06,125
and the addition of the HVAC system

1582
01:21:06,465 --> 01:21:09,525
and the RV pedestal with power would bring you up to

1583
01:21:09,525 --> 01:21:11,165
that 9 47 amount.

1584
01:21:14,145 --> 01:21:17,405
And I think really that's kind of the nuts and bolts.

1585
01:21:17,725 --> 01:21:20,125
I know there'll be some questions about the system

1586
01:21:20,545 --> 01:21:24,805
and we're trying to still meet that kind

1587
01:21:24,805 --> 01:21:27,365
of November timeframe to open up the facility.

1588
01:21:27,705 --> 01:21:29,845
So we're,

1589
01:21:30,185 --> 01:21:33,045
we are tight on the schedule from outlier's perspective

1590
01:21:34,345 --> 01:21:37,605
to meet that, but they are working with our sub-consultants

1591
01:21:37,705 --> 01:21:41,405
and their vendors to kind of hold to that schedule

1592
01:21:41,545 --> 01:21:45,525
as part of this overall process. Councillor

1593
01:21:45,645 --> 01:21:46,645
Dale.

1594
01:21:46,645 --> 01:21:47,685
Thank you mayor. Thanks Scott, I appreciate that.

1595
01:21:48,065 --> 01:21:50,285
Couple questions. I think you partially answered

1596
01:21:51,305 --> 01:21:52,925
my second one right then, which was,

1597
01:21:54,525 --> 01:21:55,725
I'll just, I'll phrase it this way.

1598
01:21:56,635 --> 01:22:00,125
What would you say is the probability of it completing

1599
01:22:00,185 --> 01:22:03,325
or what is, you said by November?

1600
01:22:03,505 --> 01:22:05,685
So I was gonna ask when would it be ready to go,

1601
01:22:05,745 --> 01:22:07,285
but you said potentially November

1602
01:22:07,345 --> 01:22:09,525
and so maybe I'll just look for a probability of that.

1603
01:22:09,745 --> 01:22:11,525
Number two is, is I'm

1604
01:22:12,305 --> 01:22:16,125
and this to to the best you No

1605
01:22:17,355 --> 01:22:19,005
it's a heating and cooling shelter.

1606
01:22:19,185 --> 01:22:21,765
Why was heating and cooling an option or an alternate?

1607
01:22:21,845 --> 01:22:24,005
I mean I think that wouldn't that just be like table stakes?

1608
01:22:24,235 --> 01:22:27,285
Yeah, so what we found out when they looked at the

1609
01:22:27,565 --> 01:22:32,045
existing units and talked to their contractor, they

1610
01:22:32,675 --> 01:22:35,405
decided that the existing structure,

1611
01:22:35,765 --> 01:22:38,725
the units didn't provide the level of cooling

1612
01:22:38,725 --> 01:22:43,085
and heating of today's standards in that garage area.

1613
01:22:43,545 --> 01:22:45,045
And so that was the recommendation

1614
01:22:45,045 --> 01:22:46,245
to add an additional unit.

1615
01:22:46,425 --> 01:22:48,525
It is, it does have heat

1616
01:22:48,525 --> 01:22:51,645
and cool in it, there's two registers that feed

1617
01:22:51,645 --> 01:22:52,685
that garage area

1618
01:22:53,385 --> 01:22:55,845
but based on the size of the facility itself

1619
01:22:55,985 --> 01:22:58,085
and the existing units, their

1620
01:22:58,925 --> 01:23:02,485
HVAC system contractor recommended an additional unit

1621
01:23:02,585 --> 01:23:05,325
to bring it up to what we would say today's standards are.

1622
01:23:05,945 --> 01:23:08,765
And then when we first began this discussion,

1623
01:23:08,765 --> 01:23:11,565
we didn't anticipate replacing the existing units

1624
01:23:11,825 --> 01:23:15,405
but our facility staff made that recommendation

1625
01:23:15,405 --> 01:23:17,485
because they are from 1983.

1626
01:23:17,745 --> 01:23:20,805
And then our concern, as I said, of a system failure,

1627
01:23:21,425 --> 01:23:24,245
you know, when they are loaded during winter at any time

1628
01:23:24,345 --> 01:23:26,685
and then we have a non-operational unit

1629
01:23:26,825 --> 01:23:29,125
and we're kind of scrambling on a temporary basis

1630
01:23:29,185 --> 01:23:32,885
to add space heaters to the facility while we try to go out

1631
01:23:32,885 --> 01:23:35,045
and get bids to replace the existing system.

1632
01:23:35,145 --> 01:23:37,605
So that's why that was added in as part of

1633
01:23:37,605 --> 01:23:39,645
that design process.

1634
01:23:40,795 --> 01:23:44,285
It's for the schedule, the RFP

1635
01:23:45,805 --> 01:23:49,205
determined or laid out November 1st was the anticipated

1636
01:23:49,205 --> 01:23:51,925
opening date of the facility itself.

1637
01:23:53,845 --> 01:23:56,965
I think right now based on our discussions with outlier,

1638
01:23:56,965 --> 01:23:58,765
we could probably be potentially

1639
01:23:59,575 --> 01:24:02,605
based on the outcome tonight, within one to two weeks of

1640
01:24:02,605 --> 01:24:05,845
that I have to talk to them about schedule two

1641
01:24:06,125 --> 01:24:07,725
'cause there are probably some things

1642
01:24:07,755 --> 01:24:11,165
that they could do while the shelter could potentially be

1643
01:24:11,165 --> 01:24:13,405
open that wouldn't impact operations.

1644
01:24:14,115 --> 01:24:16,605
There's probably some logistics that we can work on from

1645
01:24:17,405 --> 01:24:19,445
facility improvements that would still allow that.

1646
01:24:20,855 --> 01:24:23,045
Great, thank you so much Scott. Councilor Bloom.

1647
01:24:23,315 --> 01:24:26,525
Yeah, thank you. So my question is kind of around budget.

1648
01:24:26,705 --> 01:24:29,365
So once construction is completed,

1649
01:24:29,915 --> 01:24:32,445
there's obviously operational expenses associated

1650
01:24:32,505 --> 01:24:33,925
and those aren't really optional, right?

1651
01:24:33,925 --> 01:24:36,565
So you've got utilities, janitorial, supervision,

1652
01:24:36,805 --> 01:24:38,085
security, facility management.

1653
01:24:38,585 --> 01:24:40,765
If we move forward, those become permanent obligations.

1654
01:24:41,105 --> 01:24:43,965
So my question is how much will this cost to operate

1655
01:24:43,965 --> 01:24:45,405
before we commit nearly a million

1656
01:24:45,405 --> 01:24:46,525
dollars to finish building it?

1657
01:24:46,525 --> 01:24:47,605
Do we have estimates on that?

1658
01:24:49,905 --> 01:24:51,445
So our intent would be to contract

1659
01:24:51,445 --> 01:24:53,085
with a service provider like we've done before.

1660
01:24:53,305 --> 01:24:56,765
So we do have money budgeted for that we currently pay for

1661
01:24:56,765 --> 01:24:58,405
and have budgeted for the utilities,

1662
01:24:58,405 --> 01:24:59,605
the phone line, et cetera.

1663
01:25:00,105 --> 01:25:03,725
So I think, you know, those costs depending on, you know,

1664
01:25:03,725 --> 01:25:05,805
the partnerships that we develop for the other side

1665
01:25:05,805 --> 01:25:08,525
of the building beyond the severe weather shelter are kind

1666
01:25:08,525 --> 01:25:09,565
of to be determined.

1667
01:25:09,625 --> 01:25:12,325
But you know, my recommendation would be that there is an,

1668
01:25:12,325 --> 01:25:14,045
an agreement with whoever is in that building

1669
01:25:14,225 --> 01:25:19,045
and part of that cost obviously is gonna be paid by them

1670
01:25:19,425 --> 01:25:22,685
as leasers or utilizers of the space. Quick

1671
01:25:22,685 --> 01:25:23,685
Follow up.

1672
01:25:23,785 --> 01:25:27,365
So, okay, so trying to kind of understand this,

1673
01:25:27,365 --> 01:25:29,205
so it's let's build it then we'll figure out

1674
01:25:29,205 --> 01:25:30,205
how much the budget's gonna be.

1675
01:25:30,255 --> 01:25:33,285
We'll figure out what money we can get out of providers

1676
01:25:33,365 --> 01:25:35,245
that would pay to rent spaces

1677
01:25:36,345 --> 01:25:37,965
and that money would be coming out of our,

1678
01:25:38,145 --> 01:25:39,805
our homelessness fund essentially, right?

1679
01:25:39,805 --> 01:25:42,125
Correct. So that money then wouldn't be able to be used

1680
01:25:42,265 --> 01:25:43,605
for other services

1681
01:25:43,705 --> 01:25:46,285
or other potential options to help the unhoused? Correct.

1682
01:25:46,905 --> 01:25:49,005
So it would be, you know, council's discretions.

1683
01:25:49,025 --> 01:25:51,285
So right now that money is used for kind

1684
01:25:51,285 --> 01:25:53,245
of infrastructure on the dusted online

1685
01:25:53,345 --> 01:25:56,725
and then for contracting for severe weather shelter at this

1686
01:25:56,725 --> 01:25:57,725
Point.

1687
01:25:57,725 --> 01:25:58,805
So we're going all in on this and then that's,

1688
01:25:59,225 --> 01:26:00,225
That's it.

1689
01:26:00,225 --> 01:26:02,365
And if I may, the council has already made the decision

1690
01:26:02,745 --> 01:26:04,325
To move forward with this, which is

1691
01:26:04,325 --> 01:26:05,965
what the contracting element is.

1692
01:26:07,185 --> 01:26:10,125
The, the, the reason that staff has done this design work

1693
01:26:10,305 --> 01:26:12,525
and engaged in this contract

1694
01:26:12,525 --> 01:26:14,125
with this construction company is

1695
01:26:14,125 --> 01:26:16,885
because this council directed them to do that.

1696
01:26:16,985 --> 01:26:21,165
And the next step in this process is the, this

1697
01:26:21,685 --> 01:26:25,285
second ad hoc committee that is being put put forward.

1698
01:26:25,995 --> 01:26:28,565
They're going to be looking at the larger property

1699
01:26:28,585 --> 01:26:30,965
and the rest of the facilities that will be built around it.

1700
01:26:31,345 --> 01:26:34,885
But as you can see from this design that we have here,

1701
01:26:34,885 --> 01:26:36,325
there are a number of offices

1702
01:26:36,475 --> 01:26:39,445
that have been protected in their current state so

1703
01:26:39,445 --> 01:26:41,325
that other providers can come in.

1704
01:26:42,125 --> 01:26:44,765
I think that that maybe, maybe it would be good to speak to

1705
01:26:44,765 --> 01:26:47,645
what that process will be to, to identify

1706
01:26:48,075 --> 01:26:50,965
what service providers will be offered space in

1707
01:26:50,965 --> 01:26:53,245
that building.

1708
01:26:53,675 --> 01:26:58,325
Yeah, I think using the ad hocs plan for the site, right,

1709
01:26:58,345 --> 01:27:01,085
the city would look to, you know, RFP

1710
01:27:01,185 --> 01:27:04,325
or work with our partners to identify services

1711
01:27:04,515 --> 01:27:06,725
that are not currently here that should be here

1712
01:27:07,265 --> 01:27:09,885
or I know that there is some need for more space from some

1713
01:27:09,885 --> 01:27:11,685
of the service providers that are already here.

1714
01:27:11,985 --> 01:27:14,685
So there would be, you know, a formal lease agreement

1715
01:27:15,085 --> 01:27:18,485
'cause legal's sitting here, you know, formal documents

1716
01:27:18,805 --> 01:27:21,005
that would outline, you know, expectations about the use

1717
01:27:21,005 --> 01:27:23,445
of the building as well as the cost of,

1718
01:27:23,705 --> 01:27:24,925
you know, being in that space.

1719
01:27:25,615 --> 01:27:27,525
Point of clarification, mayor, something,

1720
01:27:27,525 --> 01:27:29,445
something you said, yeah, we agreed to to look at this

1721
01:27:29,465 --> 01:27:31,965
but this council could decide that this isn't satisfactory

1722
01:27:31,965 --> 01:27:33,205
and not vote on this contract.

1723
01:27:33,205 --> 01:27:34,205
Correct.

1724
01:27:35,075 --> 01:27:36,685
Yeah. Thank

1725
01:27:36,685 --> 01:27:37,685
You Councillor Kaplan.

1726
01:27:38,855 --> 01:27:41,485
Great. Thank, thank you mayor and thank you Scott.

1727
01:27:42,265 --> 01:27:45,365
We, when we, I mean we bought this,

1728
01:27:45,385 --> 01:27:49,205
we purchased this building now two, two years ago

1729
01:27:50,345 --> 01:27:52,485
and we knew that there was going to be, it was

1730
01:27:52,585 --> 01:27:55,445
for the specific purpose of severe weather shelter

1731
01:27:55,625 --> 01:27:59,925
and other services that could be provided for emergencies

1732
01:28:00,025 --> 01:28:01,725
or for homeless services.

1733
01:28:02,105 --> 01:28:04,525
It was a unanimous decision by the council at that point.

1734
01:28:04,525 --> 01:28:05,925
We knew there were going to be, there was going

1735
01:28:05,925 --> 01:28:08,205
to be some needed infrastructure improvements

1736
01:28:08,205 --> 01:28:10,645
and then also some operating costs associated with that.

1737
01:28:10,645 --> 01:28:12,805
But we decided that we needed to do that.

1738
01:28:12,865 --> 01:28:16,405
So I really appreciate you coming forward today

1739
01:28:16,405 --> 01:28:18,805
with this contract and really working creatively to try

1740
01:28:18,805 --> 01:28:21,605
to find a way to get it done, you know, as low,

1741
01:28:21,665 --> 01:28:23,165
at low a cost as possible

1742
01:28:23,985 --> 01:28:26,005
and also as quickly as possible to make sure

1743
01:28:26,005 --> 01:28:28,685
that it's available for this next winter.

1744
01:28:28,965 --> 01:28:31,485
I mean, I'm very focused on making sure that this gets,

1745
01:28:32,395 --> 01:28:33,925
that the garage space,

1746
01:28:34,375 --> 01:28:35,605
which will be more than a garage space,

1747
01:28:35,605 --> 01:28:37,965
will be a lot nicer than just a garage space like it was

1748
01:28:37,965 --> 01:28:41,325
last time will be available when the weather gets really

1749
01:28:41,435 --> 01:28:44,765
cold again, according to this council's direction and

1750
01:28:45,265 --> 01:28:46,325
and resolution of

1751
01:28:46,505 --> 01:28:49,325
to open a severe weather shelter when the temperature dips

1752
01:28:49,335 --> 01:28:51,365
below 32 degrees.

1753
01:28:52,865 --> 01:28:55,965
So my, my question really is about the heating

1754
01:28:55,965 --> 01:29:00,645
and cooling facility in the, in the shelter space.

1755
01:29:00,645 --> 01:29:02,445
The fir fir the primary shelter space, the,

1756
01:29:02,505 --> 01:29:06,405
the formerly garage space, I'll call it, that's a new unit.

1757
01:29:06,865 --> 01:29:10,005
We had a conversation about this, that that's a new unit

1758
01:29:10,005 --> 01:29:12,765
because the existing units are,

1759
01:29:14,265 --> 01:29:18,085
the mechanical engineers determined that, that they're

1760
01:29:18,755 --> 01:29:21,085
working pretty hard to try to get there.

1761
01:29:21,085 --> 01:29:23,525
That the space is heated. Heated or cooled.

1762
01:29:24,385 --> 01:29:28,045
But we have a, an administrative policy in this city

1763
01:29:28,155 --> 01:29:31,565
that says that we don't put in

1764
01:29:32,275 --> 01:29:35,965
natural gas fuel equipment that emits carbon

1765
01:29:37,145 --> 01:29:38,845
and the that's been specked,

1766
01:29:38,845 --> 01:29:40,845
that particular unit has been specked

1767
01:29:40,845 --> 01:29:42,045
to be a natural gas unit

1768
01:29:42,045 --> 01:29:44,005
because the other two units are natural gas.

1769
01:29:44,505 --> 01:29:46,845
So my question really is what would it,

1770
01:29:47,265 --> 01:29:49,005
do they all need to be the same?

1771
01:29:49,455 --> 01:29:53,845
Could we spec that new unit that is a new unit?

1772
01:29:53,845 --> 01:29:57,645
It's not, you know, there yet, could we not add

1773
01:29:57,645 --> 01:30:00,125
to our carbon footprint by specking that

1774
01:30:00,155 --> 01:30:03,965
with a high efficiency electric heat pump system instead

1775
01:30:03,965 --> 01:30:05,445
of a a natural gas unit?

1776
01:30:05,705 --> 01:30:06,705
That's my first question.

1777
01:30:09,035 --> 01:30:12,765
Yeah, we can partition that structure out

1778
01:30:13,985 --> 01:30:17,365
and look at, have, have outlier work

1779
01:30:17,395 --> 01:30:21,365
with their HVAC engineers to develop

1780
01:30:21,465 --> 01:30:25,445
and spec a heat pump for the additional cooling

1781
01:30:25,445 --> 01:30:27,005
and heating needs for the facility

1782
01:30:27,545 --> 01:30:29,645
and what the electrical loading would look like

1783
01:30:29,865 --> 01:30:32,245
and the electrical connections for that as a kind

1784
01:30:32,245 --> 01:30:34,725
of a standalone process.

1785
01:30:35,745 --> 01:30:37,285
So right now as part of this,

1786
01:30:37,665 --> 01:30:39,445
we have this guaranteed maximum price.

1787
01:30:39,595 --> 01:30:41,165
I'll get into the weeds a little bit here,

1788
01:30:41,905 --> 01:30:46,645
but some of these things are not fully informally designed.

1789
01:30:46,995 --> 01:30:50,165
It's a system, it's a hot water heater,

1790
01:30:50,995 --> 01:30:52,285
it's this and this.

1791
01:30:52,545 --> 01:30:57,245
The subcontractors then formally design what that component

1792
01:30:58,135 --> 01:31:00,325
looks like and how it gets installed

1793
01:31:00,745 --> 01:31:03,605
and then they take it from there and get it permitted.

1794
01:31:03,625 --> 01:31:04,885
So we can look at it

1795
01:31:04,985 --> 01:31:07,925
as the one unit could be a standalone package

1796
01:31:09,425 --> 01:31:14,125
and so that alternate would be $60,000 to add

1797
01:31:14,125 --> 01:31:15,165
that additional unit.

1798
01:31:16,545 --> 01:31:21,525
The cost for electric versus natural grass

1799
01:31:21,625 --> 01:31:25,045
and the basic equipment of the system is relatively similar.

1800
01:31:25,685 --> 01:31:28,765
Your additional cost is gonna be the electrical wiring

1801
01:31:28,765 --> 01:31:31,485
and conduit and any sort of upgrades to the panel

1802
01:31:31,485 --> 01:31:32,485
that would be required.

1803
01:31:32,945 --> 01:31:36,125
So for one unit it would be relatively small

1804
01:31:36,505 --> 01:31:37,845
and we still need to work through the

1805
01:31:37,845 --> 01:31:39,205
costing with outlier on that.

1806
01:31:40,165 --> 01:31:43,445
I know that and speaking with them to do all three,

1807
01:31:45,185 --> 01:31:47,645
the cost would be generally the same for the equipment,

1808
01:31:48,065 --> 01:31:50,525
but you're looking at 85,000

1809
01:31:51,105 --> 01:31:53,245
to do the electrical system upgrades

1810
01:31:53,265 --> 01:31:55,965
and that's kind of a, a surface level look.

1811
01:31:56,015 --> 01:31:59,565
Panel upgrades, conduit upgrades, some demolition

1812
01:31:59,565 --> 01:32:02,285
that would need to occur in the facility to run that conduit

1813
01:32:02,285 --> 01:32:04,245
to all three locations for those units.

1814
01:32:05,225 --> 01:32:07,925
So we can partition that out for sure

1815
01:32:08,665 --> 01:32:10,925
and task outlier with one

1816
01:32:11,305 --> 01:32:14,085
and then work as a sidestream on the other two

1817
01:32:14,235 --> 01:32:15,805
potential moving forward.

1818
01:32:17,315 --> 01:32:18,965
They operate, you know,

1819
01:32:18,985 --> 01:32:21,525
and maybe that's one of those logistic things

1820
01:32:21,525 --> 01:32:23,165
that those don't get changed out.

1821
01:32:23,545 --> 01:32:26,645
You know, by that November 1st deadline we have adequate

1822
01:32:26,645 --> 01:32:28,765
heating and cooling installed with that third unit

1823
01:32:28,825 --> 01:32:32,285
for the garage space and then the other two get replaced

1824
01:32:33,075 --> 01:32:35,965
outside of kind of our schedule threshold

1825
01:32:35,965 --> 01:32:36,965
that we've established.

1826
01:32:37,435 --> 01:32:39,885
Okay. A follow up? Yeah. Great. Yeah, thanks.

1827
01:32:39,885 --> 01:32:41,445
Thanks Scott. That's helpful.

1828
01:32:41,965 --> 01:32:45,725
I, I know that there's also currently a,

1829
01:32:46,185 --> 01:32:49,005
an electric hot water heater in the building.

1830
01:32:49,185 --> 01:32:50,605
You, we had a conversation about this.

1831
01:32:50,995 --> 01:32:55,125
There's minimal water heating needs in the current space.

1832
01:32:55,125 --> 01:32:58,125
There are three wa sinks that have hot water.

1833
01:32:58,185 --> 01:33:01,205
So there's, so part of the spec is to actually put in a,

1834
01:33:01,325 --> 01:33:05,885
a larger water heater that can heat the showers as well.

1835
01:33:07,025 --> 01:33:08,885
And I know that you told me earlier that that's not,

1836
01:33:09,145 --> 01:33:12,605
not been speced yet, whether that's electric or, or

1837
01:33:13,185 --> 01:33:15,965
or gas, that that could also be go,

1838
01:33:16,195 --> 01:33:18,125
that could also be specked to be an electric

1839
01:33:18,125 --> 01:33:20,285
as well in order to comply with our administrative policy.

1840
01:33:20,505 --> 01:33:24,485
Not to use carbon emitting equipment in the, in the building

1841
01:33:25,315 --> 01:33:28,365
That could be specked as an electric cot, water heater.

1842
01:33:28,365 --> 01:33:30,485
And it's hard with this little pointer here.

1843
01:33:30,545 --> 01:33:35,165
But yeah, that green storage area is

1844
01:33:35,785 --> 01:33:37,805
the design plants call it the utility closet

1845
01:33:37,905 --> 01:33:40,125
and that's where the new hot water heater will go.

1846
01:33:40,905 --> 01:33:43,565
And so this area where the bathrooms

1847
01:33:43,565 --> 01:33:46,085
and showers are going is all gonna get reconstructed

1848
01:33:46,275 --> 01:33:47,765
with new electrical and plumbing.

1849
01:33:48,185 --> 01:33:51,445
So would be, you know, in line with kind

1850
01:33:51,445 --> 01:33:53,405
of the project scope to run power

1851
01:33:53,625 --> 01:33:56,405
to power an electric water heater in that utility closet.

1852
01:33:56,665 --> 01:33:59,245
We just need to provide outlier with directions so

1853
01:33:59,245 --> 01:34:01,485
that they can provide their subs with that direction

1854
01:34:01,745 --> 01:34:03,325
And, and then just to follow it.

1855
01:34:03,325 --> 01:34:05,885
So which would save also if it's not gas, you don't need

1856
01:34:05,885 --> 01:34:09,565
to perforate the membrane, the, the the ceiling

1857
01:34:09,665 --> 01:34:12,485
and then then the membrane roof in order to do an exhaust.

1858
01:34:13,275 --> 01:34:14,805
Yeah, you wouldn't need the venting. You

1859
01:34:14,805 --> 01:34:16,005
Wouldn't need the venting for an electric.

1860
01:34:16,525 --> 01:34:18,005
And then as have one tiny little thing,

1861
01:34:18,005 --> 01:34:19,845
there's a door that's been bothering me.

1862
01:34:19,925 --> 01:34:21,365
I don't, it seems like a door to nowhere.

1863
01:34:22,075 --> 01:34:25,965
It's, I dunno if you can see it on there just above the,

1864
01:34:25,965 --> 01:34:27,765
on the west, on the garage side, just

1865
01:34:27,765 --> 01:34:29,725
above the green storage, there's a door.

1866
01:34:29,725 --> 01:34:31,245
Where does that go? It seems

1867
01:34:31,245 --> 01:34:33,285
to go into a little closet from the outside.

1868
01:34:33,625 --> 01:34:36,845
That's the fire riser for the sprinkler system.

1869
01:34:37,785 --> 01:34:40,725
So they're installing a fire vault

1870
01:34:41,235 --> 01:34:42,885
outside the parking lot area

1871
01:34:42,885 --> 01:34:46,205
and running the fire line into the building to a fire riser

1872
01:34:46,205 --> 01:34:48,365
and from there it goes to the sprinkler system.

1873
01:34:48,545 --> 01:34:50,045
Got it. Throughout the whole facility

1874
01:34:50,045 --> 01:34:51,045
Itself.

1875
01:34:51,045 --> 01:34:51,605
So it's not an egress door?

1876
01:34:51,905 --> 01:34:53,845
No, it's it's a utility closet.

1877
01:34:54,115 --> 01:34:55,605
Okay. Thank you very much. Sorry. Yeah,

1878
01:34:56,065 --> 01:34:59,605
And this is kind of the schematic design, the one

1879
01:35:00,185 --> 01:35:02,725
the permit drawings in your packet as part of

1880
01:35:02,725 --> 01:35:05,405
that guaranteed get into more of those details of

1881
01:35:05,405 --> 01:35:07,125
what gets installed in those locations.

1882
01:35:07,495 --> 01:35:08,495
Thank you

1883
01:35:08,995 --> 01:35:10,085
Councilor Hanson.

1884
01:35:12,335 --> 01:35:13,565
Thank you Marion. Thank you Scott.

1885
01:35:14,435 --> 01:35:16,445
This is the, this is the design.

1886
01:35:16,765 --> 01:35:18,765
I think that that checks the boxes.

1887
01:35:19,905 --> 01:35:22,605
You know, there's offices for regional partnerships,

1888
01:35:23,865 --> 01:35:26,805
you know, it, it meets, it meets what we ask for.

1889
01:35:27,725 --> 01:35:30,165
I appreciate the attention to detail

1890
01:35:30,265 --> 01:35:34,285
and meeting our climate goals and focusing on fuel sources.

1891
01:35:34,645 --> 01:35:36,925
I think that's important and I appreciate you bringing up

1892
01:35:36,925 --> 01:35:37,925
that in the conversation.

1893
01:35:38,785 --> 01:35:41,565
I'm curious though with, with the new heating

1894
01:35:41,945 --> 01:35:44,805
and air system, are we going to be able to filter the air?

1895
01:35:45,605 --> 01:35:47,285
I know that the, the heating

1896
01:35:47,285 --> 01:35:50,365
and cooling shelter is something that our

1897
01:35:51,135 --> 01:35:54,645
other vulnerable populations, the housed are going

1898
01:35:54,645 --> 01:35:56,805
to be visiting our heating and cooling shelter

1899
01:35:56,905 --> 01:35:59,685
and during smoke season I think it's gonna be, you know,

1900
01:36:00,375 --> 01:36:03,045
super important that we have our infrastructure in.

1901
01:36:03,105 --> 01:36:07,725
So in these discussions, are you keen to HIPAA filters

1902
01:36:07,725 --> 01:36:10,485
or whatever kind of air filtration system we need to do

1903
01:36:10,725 --> 01:36:15,085
to make this, you know, truly a disaster resilient hub?

1904
01:36:15,635 --> 01:36:18,405
Well sort of, I know it from city practice.

1905
01:36:19,905 --> 01:36:22,725
So what we've done in the past from a city operational

1906
01:36:22,725 --> 01:36:25,685
standpoint is during smoke season when we do have smoke in

1907
01:36:25,685 --> 01:36:28,885
the valleys, we change out all the filters within

1908
01:36:28,905 --> 01:36:30,405
the city facilities.

1909
01:36:30,525 --> 01:36:32,285
I think they're called Merv four filters.

1910
01:36:32,745 --> 01:36:36,005
So they have a finer micron filtration point

1911
01:36:36,195 --> 01:36:39,565
that filters out more particulate matter in the system.

1912
01:36:39,665 --> 01:36:43,325
So that's kind of our basic operating protocol is

1913
01:36:43,325 --> 01:36:45,165
to install those filters

1914
01:36:45,265 --> 01:36:47,965
during smoke season when we have smoke in the valley.

1915
01:36:48,025 --> 01:36:49,965
So that would be the same for this facility.

1916
01:36:50,425 --> 01:36:52,725
You know, from our facility operational standpoint,

1917
01:36:53,385 --> 01:36:55,445
we haven't discussed, you know,

1918
01:36:55,735 --> 01:36:59,165
truly like an air purification filtration system.

1919
01:37:00,025 --> 01:37:03,125
As part of that we're kind of falling back to managing it

1920
01:37:03,125 --> 01:37:05,205
through the appropriate installation of filters.

1921
01:37:05,755 --> 01:37:08,885
Okay. I'm just wondering if there's a,

1922
01:37:09,195 --> 01:37:13,245
there's a heat pump system that has filtration

1923
01:37:14,865 --> 01:37:18,045
and if not it, it already has an HVAC system

1924
01:37:18,615 --> 01:37:21,445
which can monitor to a certain extent air quality.

1925
01:37:22,345 --> 01:37:25,845
But I would just like to put that on the, on the list.

1926
01:37:26,745 --> 01:37:29,685
And then my second question is the pad,

1927
01:37:29,885 --> 01:37:32,005
I was here January 1st, 97

1928
01:37:32,625 --> 01:37:35,725
and hiked up to count wells

1929
01:37:35,725 --> 01:37:38,605
to get water from the National Guard when we had our flood.

1930
01:37:39,185 --> 01:37:41,365
And when I, when I think of the pad

1931
01:37:41,865 --> 01:37:45,165
and I think of this new ad hoc committee that's going

1932
01:37:45,165 --> 01:37:46,805
to be paying attention to the exterior

1933
01:37:46,985 --> 01:37:49,325
and the opportunities that this facility might have

1934
01:37:49,325 --> 01:37:51,765
for residents in an, you know, greater emergency.

1935
01:37:52,465 --> 01:37:54,965
I'm just wondering is the, is the pad

1936
01:37:58,455 --> 01:38:01,855
intended to be like, you know, base camp for,

1937
01:38:02,915 --> 01:38:05,175
for a natural disaster resiliency hub

1938
01:38:05,595 --> 01:38:08,375
or is is, you know, I'm just wondering if we should,

1939
01:38:08,555 --> 01:38:10,615
if we should you know, either take it off the board

1940
01:38:10,635 --> 01:38:14,695
or put it on the board with a little bit more infrastructure

1941
01:38:14,875 --> 01:38:16,175
or just could you describe

1942
01:38:16,205 --> 01:38:17,735
what the intention is of that pad?

1943
01:38:18,155 --> 01:38:20,295
So there's two RV pads a little different than like,

1944
01:38:20,395 --> 01:38:23,455
you know yeah resiliency hub there there's two components.

1945
01:38:23,755 --> 01:38:27,375
One, you know the intent as part of the base price is

1946
01:38:27,375 --> 01:38:30,055
to have the in utilities for that installed

1947
01:38:30,055 --> 01:38:31,255
to the exterior wall.

1948
01:38:32,595 --> 01:38:35,695
The additional price is actually trenched across the parking

1949
01:38:35,755 --> 01:38:37,375
lot to install that riser.

1950
01:38:37,935 --> 01:38:40,175
When we talked about it with outlier,

1951
01:38:40,555 --> 01:38:41,935
the overall intent I think,

1952
01:38:42,195 --> 01:38:44,575
and the city manager can correct me if I'm wrong,

1953
01:38:44,575 --> 01:38:49,535
but was to provide for a higher level of ability to meander

1954
01:38:49,535 --> 01:38:51,575
through a bigger emergency event

1955
01:38:52,475 --> 01:38:54,815
by having additional resources be able

1956
01:38:54,815 --> 01:38:55,935
to connect to utilities.

1957
01:38:56,235 --> 01:38:57,735
And one of the things we talked about is

1958
01:38:57,735 --> 01:38:59,815
what if we have firefighters that need to camp there

1959
01:39:00,075 --> 01:39:01,855
and we need to bring in a shower trailer

1960
01:39:01,855 --> 01:39:03,695
or a laundry trailer that could be parked there

1961
01:39:03,695 --> 01:39:04,895
and hooked up and utilized

1962
01:39:04,895 --> 01:39:07,055
during a bigger emergency operation.

1963
01:39:07,195 --> 01:39:08,535
So it sounds like you're checking that box

1964
01:39:08,535 --> 01:39:10,815
because we, that's one of the discussions that we had

1965
01:39:10,815 --> 01:39:12,455
during this design phase for

1966
01:39:12,455 --> 01:39:14,495
that is looking at the bigger picture

1967
01:39:14,555 --> 01:39:16,615
of potential use for that facility.

1968
01:39:16,765 --> 01:39:18,775
It's, we've talked about it as a hub

1969
01:39:18,835 --> 01:39:21,775
for storing water bottles and things like that.

1970
01:39:22,485 --> 01:39:24,615
Food and things like that for a bigger emergency

1971
01:39:24,675 --> 01:39:28,655
so people can circle in and pick up things and come in

1972
01:39:28,775 --> 01:39:30,535
and outta the facility itself If we were

1973
01:39:30,535 --> 01:39:32,575
to have some larger scale emergency event.

1974
01:39:32,845 --> 01:39:34,935
Okay, I know this facility isn't gonna,

1975
01:39:35,185 --> 01:39:36,855
isn't gonna do everything we want it to do

1976
01:39:37,115 --> 01:39:39,455
but if we're gonna spend the money on it, I'm glad to hear

1977
01:39:39,455 --> 01:39:41,415
that those things, those conversations are happening.

1978
01:39:41,415 --> 01:39:42,615
So thank you and thank you staff

1979
01:39:43,685 --> 01:39:44,695
Councilor Duque.

1980
01:39:45,705 --> 01:39:49,815
Thank you. Okay, so

1981
01:39:52,455 --> 01:39:56,015
I appreciate the conversation that was had about the AVAC

1982
01:39:56,195 --> 01:39:58,375
and HVAC system

1983
01:39:59,355 --> 01:40:02,215
and I remember our meetings in that building

1984
01:40:02,635 --> 01:40:05,055
and I was freezing to death so

1985
01:40:05,915 --> 01:40:07,495
the air conditioning works well.

1986
01:40:09,795 --> 01:40:13,415
So something, I had some questions on this really quick when

1987
01:40:13,455 --> 01:40:16,175
I look at this first off, something that was mentioned

1988
01:40:16,175 --> 01:40:20,855
before, this property was purchased in 2023 via the grant

1989
01:40:21,205 --> 01:40:25,535
that had the criteria that this building has to be used

1990
01:40:25,715 --> 01:40:26,935
for the unhoused

1991
01:40:28,235 --> 01:40:31,695
and having this in that capacity,

1992
01:40:32,405 --> 01:40:37,215
this building is going to be an emergency,

1993
01:40:37,455 --> 01:40:38,935
a severe weather shelter, correct?

1994
01:40:40,495 --> 01:40:44,265
Correct. Okay, so I just wanted to put that out there

1995
01:40:44,365 --> 01:40:46,065
and it is not going to be

1996
01:40:48,825 --> 01:40:50,945
a opioid recovery center.

1997
01:40:51,135 --> 01:40:52,135
Correct.

1998
01:40:53,105 --> 01:40:54,645
So the intent, you know,

1999
01:40:54,645 --> 01:40:56,445
council's direction was severe weather shelter.

2000
01:40:56,785 --> 01:41:00,005
Yes. And then the direction for the building really

2001
01:41:00,575 --> 01:41:02,405
where staff went with the designers

2002
01:41:02,405 --> 01:41:04,285
and I appreciate their attention to this, is

2003
01:41:04,285 --> 01:41:07,525
to make a building that's as flexible for use as possible

2004
01:41:07,525 --> 01:41:10,525
because I think there's still ongoing discussion

2005
01:41:11,395 --> 01:41:13,165
with the ad hoc and with council

2006
01:41:13,425 --> 01:41:14,925
and the opportunities to partner.

2007
01:41:15,625 --> 01:41:18,925
And so the design of the building is really to allow

2008
01:41:18,925 --> 01:41:20,445
for the severe weather shelter allow

2009
01:41:20,445 --> 01:41:23,325
for overflow in emergencies, allow for it to be used

2010
01:41:23,325 --> 01:41:24,965
as an emergency center if we need to.

2011
01:41:25,385 --> 01:41:27,845
It is not going to be a methadone clinic

2012
01:41:28,865 --> 01:41:31,525
or anything like that but I think, you know, it's

2013
01:41:31,525 --> 01:41:33,565
to be determined what social services

2014
01:41:33,745 --> 01:41:34,845
are going to be in that building.

2015
01:41:35,705 --> 01:41:38,405
And I heard mentioned prior

2016
01:41:39,655 --> 01:41:43,205
about regional partners, we have 10 offices in this building

2017
01:41:43,785 --> 01:41:47,765
and I know we are having a new ad hoc committee in the prior

2018
01:41:48,065 --> 01:41:51,205
ad hoc committee had mentioned working

2019
01:41:51,235 --> 01:41:54,605
with regional partners in these office spaces.

2020
01:41:55,265 --> 01:41:58,485
So sending out the RFP, I don't know if that's gonna come

2021
01:41:58,485 --> 01:41:59,485
to the community

2022
01:41:59,945 --> 01:42:02,885
or if it's just gonna stay within the realm

2023
01:42:02,885 --> 01:42:05,725
of the ad hoc committee of who

2024
01:42:07,035 --> 01:42:09,205
will be given an opportunity

2025
01:42:09,345 --> 01:42:11,605
and asked to be in one of these offices.

2026
01:42:12,725 --> 01:42:16,045
I do, I believe it's very important that we're transparent

2027
01:42:16,105 --> 01:42:17,565
and let the community know

2028
01:42:18,155 --> 01:42:21,285
that these are the regional partners that we are considering

2029
01:42:21,285 --> 01:42:26,085
or that we have asked to occupy one of these offices.

2030
01:42:27,125 --> 01:42:28,365
I think that's important.

2031
01:42:29,145 --> 01:42:30,765
Are we considering that

2032
01:42:31,105 --> 01:42:33,125
or is it gonna be in the ad hoc,

2033
01:42:33,125 --> 01:42:34,405
is it gonna come to council?

2034
01:42:34,835 --> 01:42:35,965
What is that gonna look like?

2035
01:42:37,625 --> 01:42:40,445
So it would probably be a similar request for proposal

2036
01:42:40,505 --> 01:42:43,325
but the city would publicize that we're looking for partners

2037
01:42:43,865 --> 01:42:45,445
to utilize that space

2038
01:42:45,625 --> 01:42:48,365
and using the, you know, master plan for the space

2039
01:42:48,425 --> 01:42:50,165
as the parameters and any additional things

2040
01:42:50,165 --> 01:42:53,125
that might come out of the, the second phase of the ad hoc

2041
01:42:53,145 --> 01:42:55,805
to kind of guide what we're doing in that building

2042
01:42:56,705 --> 01:42:57,805
Before they go out.

2043
01:42:57,895 --> 01:43:00,245
Would the ad hoc or council

2044
01:43:00,505 --> 01:43:03,085
or the community members know

2045
01:43:03,315 --> 01:43:05,445
what regional partners we're looking at?

2046
01:43:06,805 --> 01:43:08,485
I would assume so. I don't know why not?

2047
01:43:09,525 --> 01:43:12,205
I would hope so. I, I think that's important

2048
01:43:12,835 --> 01:43:16,245
because I want us to have an open conversation

2049
01:43:16,705 --> 01:43:20,245
and communication with the neighbor neighboring community

2050
01:43:20,665 --> 01:43:24,285
to let them know that this is the direction we're going in.

2051
01:43:24,745 --> 01:43:29,165
And I also wanted to mention that the

2052
01:43:29,805 --> 01:43:34,765
previous ad hoc committee had talked about when I look at

2053
01:43:36,355 --> 01:43:40,205
providing utilities to outdoor shower trailers

2054
01:43:42,985 --> 01:43:44,445
and one thing that,

2055
01:43:44,625 --> 01:43:48,885
and I heard you mention Scott, that if it was an emergency

2056
01:43:48,945 --> 01:43:51,280
and we had to have firefighters come down

2057
01:43:51,280 --> 01:43:53,565
and be housed in this building

2058
01:43:54,945 --> 01:43:58,605
having additional showers and what it's permitted for now,

2059
01:43:59,025 --> 01:44:00,765
but in a state of emergency,

2060
01:44:00,955 --> 01:44:03,405
just like when the governor brought down the state

2061
01:44:03,405 --> 01:44:06,485
of emergency when we first acquired this building

2062
01:44:06,545 --> 01:44:10,845
and we didn't, we had no egress, no fire,

2063
01:44:11,105 --> 01:44:13,405
no smoke detectors or anything.

2064
01:44:14,225 --> 01:44:17,525
We were allowed to have additional people in that space.

2065
01:44:18,585 --> 01:44:21,285
I'm thinking that in case of an emergency

2066
01:44:21,905 --> 01:44:25,405
and we did have to open it up for other use such

2067
01:44:25,405 --> 01:44:26,445
as firefighters

2068
01:44:26,955 --> 01:44:30,405
that looking at seven people per shower

2069
01:44:30,465 --> 01:44:33,485
or 10 people would supersede the,

2070
01:44:33,625 --> 01:44:35,605
the emergency would supersede that.

2071
01:44:36,265 --> 01:44:40,645
And I say that to say that the previous ad hoc committee,

2072
01:44:41,265 --> 01:44:45,805
one thing that they stressed very, with strong importance is

2073
01:44:45,805 --> 01:44:50,685
to have all plumbing indoors to have no showers, no toilets,

2074
01:44:50,705 --> 01:44:54,085
no porta-potties out of doors for many reasons

2075
01:44:54,425 --> 01:44:57,125
for the community around 2200

2076
01:44:57,225 --> 01:44:59,205
and for the privacy of the unhoused.

2077
01:44:59,585 --> 01:45:01,125
So I don't support that.

2078
01:45:01,845 --> 01:45:05,645
I also see that we are already 86,000

2079
01:45:05,905 --> 01:45:09,685
and some change over budget if we adhere to

2080
01:45:10,675 --> 01:45:12,485
just sticking to what we have

2081
01:45:13,265 --> 01:45:18,125
and I appreciate the suggestion of the HVAC and the upgrades

2082
01:45:18,305 --> 01:45:20,165
and the bells and whistles,

2083
01:45:20,465 --> 01:45:24,125
but right now I think it's important to use this building

2084
01:45:24,385 --> 01:45:27,445
as it was purposed to be.

2085
01:45:28,385 --> 01:45:32,765
And I don't see looking at everything

2086
01:45:32,985 --> 01:45:36,845
that's hitting the people right now,

2087
01:45:37,025 --> 01:45:38,365
the general fund right now,

2088
01:45:39,045 --> 01:45:40,765
I believe we should keep it simple

2089
01:45:41,025 --> 01:45:43,045
and stick to what's in front of us.

2090
01:45:43,365 --> 01:45:44,725
Counsel you do have a question?

2091
01:45:46,185 --> 01:45:50,245
So my question was about just the purpose

2092
01:45:50,425 --> 01:45:52,325
of the utilities out of doors.

2093
01:45:52,765 --> 01:45:56,845
I just wanted to make that point about the

2094
01:45:57,805 --> 01:45:59,405
previous ad hoc question.

2095
01:46:00,225 --> 01:46:02,045
So on here it says

2096
01:46:02,595 --> 01:46:07,485
that we anticipate receiving a hundred thousand to 300,000 K

2097
01:46:08,945 --> 01:46:11,125
in the years to follow from the money

2098
01:46:12,025 --> 01:46:16,205
and is that kind of a ballpark?

2099
01:46:16,425 --> 01:46:20,165
Can you tell us how much money we are receiving now

2100
01:46:20,265 --> 01:46:21,405
and what that looks like?

2101
01:46:22,105 --> 01:46:26,845
So we have a guaranteed 230,000 to come in still

2102
01:46:27,185 --> 01:46:28,525
for 25, 26,

2103
01:46:29,545 --> 01:46:32,565
but there are two more settlements that just happened

2104
01:46:32,665 --> 01:46:35,085
and so I'm unsure of that dollar amount that will be coming

2105
01:46:35,225 --> 01:46:37,485
but there will be additional funds from those

2106
01:46:37,485 --> 01:46:38,525
two settlements as well.

2107
01:46:38,945 --> 01:46:40,565
And would that money be used

2108
01:46:40,585 --> 01:46:43,525
to go towards some concerns from Counselor Bloom?

2109
01:46:43,555 --> 01:46:44,555
What he mentioned?

2110
01:46:46,105 --> 01:46:49,445
I'm sorry, could you specify Some of the concerns

2111
01:46:49,445 --> 01:46:52,405
that Councilor Bloom mentioned was how will we pay

2112
01:46:53,065 --> 01:46:54,845
for the management of this

2113
01:46:54,865 --> 01:46:56,645
and utilities and things like that.

2114
01:46:56,955 --> 01:46:59,965
Will that money go towards the additional

2115
01:47:00,265 --> 01:47:02,565
So as long as it falls under the exhibit that allows

2116
01:47:02,625 --> 01:47:04,485
for the use of that money, it can be used for

2117
01:47:04,485 --> 01:47:05,485
That.

2118
01:47:05,485 --> 01:47:06,445
Okay. Alright. Thank you.

2119
01:47:07,495 --> 01:47:09,845
Thank you. So I have a couple of follow up questions kind

2120
01:47:09,845 --> 01:47:14,325
of in that same line of the, of the,

2121
01:47:14,425 --> 01:47:15,485
of the RV hookup.

2122
01:47:15,585 --> 01:47:18,325
So the ad hoc committee that is forming now

2123
01:47:18,325 --> 01:47:20,805
that we just finished the appointments for this evening, one

2124
01:47:20,805 --> 01:47:23,525
of their primary element is going to be looking at how,

2125
01:47:23,555 --> 01:47:25,045
what else to do with the property.

2126
01:47:25,045 --> 01:47:28,005
And I know that the first ad hoc committee had identified

2127
01:47:28,315 --> 01:47:32,565
some sort of more permanent housing on that site in the rest

2128
01:47:32,565 --> 01:47:33,805
of that property.

2129
01:47:34,185 --> 01:47:38,405
So to what extent does that pedestal limit

2130
01:47:39,155 --> 01:47:41,125
what can be done on that site?

2131
01:47:44,985 --> 01:47:46,765
It would just be the electrical service.

2132
01:47:46,945 --> 01:47:49,565
So you're looking at probably a 50 amp electrical service

2133
01:47:50,305 --> 01:47:52,325
to the one pedestal and then a water service.

2134
01:47:52,505 --> 01:47:55,285
So a a a half inch water feed line.

2135
01:47:57,145 --> 01:48:00,525
So it does limit your ability if you're looking at a greater

2136
01:48:01,075 --> 01:48:04,525
expanse for use of the facility, you would want

2137
01:48:04,525 --> 01:48:07,805
to look at upsizing those utilities out into that area

2138
01:48:07,945 --> 01:48:11,405
or another area on the site that might be used for something

2139
01:48:11,515 --> 01:48:13,525
outside of a, a hookup.

2140
01:48:15,145 --> 01:48:17,485
But we would have to plan for the potential

2141
01:48:17,485 --> 01:48:22,325
of a trailer out there in terms of if there's housing on,

2142
01:48:22,325 --> 01:48:24,805
there's not very much land is what I'm suggesting.

2143
01:48:24,805 --> 01:48:27,565
And so it sounds to me if I understand you correctly,

2144
01:48:27,565 --> 01:48:31,365
that if we put the pedestal in we we it will

2145
01:48:32,075 --> 01:48:36,165
interfere in some some way with, with the potential

2146
01:48:36,165 --> 01:48:37,165
for the rest of the build out

2147
01:48:37,165 --> 01:48:38,565
of the property, is that correct? It

2148
01:48:38,565 --> 01:48:39,565
Could.

2149
01:48:39,565 --> 01:48:41,525
Based on sizing needs in the future, yes.

2150
01:48:42,155 --> 01:48:45,965
Okay. And then I saw the mention of the portable toilets

2151
01:48:46,505 --> 01:48:49,045
and I understand from the, the ratios

2152
01:48:49,155 --> 01:48:51,645
that when you have a certain number of people in the

2153
01:48:52,585 --> 01:48:55,005
severe weather shelter, you need to have a certain number

2154
01:48:55,005 --> 01:48:56,485
of toilet facilities for them.

2155
01:48:58,695 --> 01:48:59,875
How does that work?

2156
01:48:59,885 --> 01:49:02,915
Where, where, what is, how does a portable toilet work

2157
01:49:02,915 --> 01:49:05,355
because we wouldn't know until we were right on

2158
01:49:05,355 --> 01:49:07,195
that emergency that we would need a,

2159
01:49:07,375 --> 01:49:08,835
an additional toilet or two.

2160
01:49:09,905 --> 01:49:11,755
Well that would be one of the thi that's one

2161
01:49:11,755 --> 01:49:13,275
of the things we talked about throughout this process

2162
01:49:13,735 --> 01:49:15,475
and counselor Duane just reference it.

2163
01:49:15,495 --> 01:49:19,515
If we are in a declared emergency then we have some leeway

2164
01:49:19,515 --> 01:49:21,955
and some flexibility about the number of people

2165
01:49:21,955 --> 01:49:24,915
that we could put in that facility with the existing

2166
01:49:26,385 --> 01:49:30,795
pers within it without having to bring in additional shower

2167
01:49:30,975 --> 01:49:32,755
and restaurant facilities

2168
01:49:32,825 --> 01:49:35,155
that could be hooked up on a temporary basis.

2169
01:49:36,275 --> 01:49:39,995
I think our thought when we started this was a grander scale

2170
01:49:40,145 --> 01:49:43,555
emergency, a a community based emergency that would require

2171
01:49:44,145 --> 01:49:48,045
more items out there for use from community members.

2172
01:49:48,585 --> 01:49:51,325
You know people like I said, you know, firefighters

2173
01:49:51,325 --> 01:49:53,765
and things like that using that facility as kind

2174
01:49:53,765 --> 01:49:55,445
of a emergency related hub.

2175
01:49:56,825 --> 01:50:00,205
So that's, yeah I think that that's where we kind

2176
01:50:00,205 --> 01:50:01,965
of ended up with what you see

2177
01:50:01,965 --> 01:50:04,005
before you tonight as far as the design.

2178
01:50:04,825 --> 01:50:06,405
So I think if I could give a scenario,

2179
01:50:06,545 --> 01:50:08,365
so last winter we declared an emergency

2180
01:50:08,365 --> 01:50:11,205
during the blizzard we went over the capacity

2181
01:50:11,205 --> 01:50:12,885
of the building to allow people to be in there.

2182
01:50:13,265 --> 01:50:15,445
So in a similar situation we could do that again

2183
01:50:15,545 --> 01:50:17,565
and use the toilets that are at the facility.

2184
01:50:18,025 --> 01:50:21,045
Now if there's an extended emergency such as a wildfire

2185
01:50:21,065 --> 01:50:23,445
or a flood where we have community members

2186
01:50:23,785 --> 01:50:26,045
or you know, wildland firefighters staying there

2187
01:50:26,785 --> 01:50:29,085
for multiple days or weeks, we're going to need

2188
01:50:29,085 --> 01:50:30,405
to bring in portable services

2189
01:50:30,405 --> 01:50:32,605
because quite frankly it's just not

2190
01:50:32,605 --> 01:50:33,725
gonna work for that number of people.

2191
01:50:34,905 --> 01:50:36,805
So, okay. That that helps me understand.

2192
01:50:36,905 --> 01:50:38,565
So when you say declaring an emergency,

2193
01:50:38,565 --> 01:50:41,685
it can also be a locally declared emergency, doesn't have

2194
01:50:41,685 --> 01:50:44,445
to be a state or federal declared emergency.

2195
01:50:44,765 --> 01:50:46,605
I believe that's how we discussed it. Yeah.

2196
01:50:46,605 --> 01:50:48,085
With the building official. Yes.

2197
01:50:48,425 --> 01:50:50,885
So when we look at this with our existing toilet

2198
01:50:50,985 --> 01:50:52,165
and shower facilities,

2199
01:50:52,305 --> 01:50:55,245
we could in fact accommodate the full, what is,

2200
01:50:55,335 --> 01:50:57,205
how's my math 54

2201
01:50:57,955 --> 01:51:00,445
with the two overflow areas without having

2202
01:51:00,545 --> 01:51:03,565
to suddenly scramble for a porta potties

2203
01:51:03,585 --> 01:51:05,325
or some sort of temporary toilets

2204
01:51:05,325 --> 01:51:06,325
Under that emergency.

2205
01:51:06,325 --> 01:51:07,725
Under that emergency. Correct. We just have

2206
01:51:07,725 --> 01:51:09,605
to declare a local emergency Yes. In order to do that.

2207
01:51:09,995 --> 01:51:13,725
Yeah. And I, I think there's, you know, actual use

2208
01:51:13,725 --> 01:51:16,085
to be considered and so if it's an emergency more than two

2209
01:51:16,105 --> 01:51:17,125
or three days we're going

2210
01:51:17,125 --> 01:51:19,445
to bring in portable services. Yeah.

2211
01:51:20,155 --> 01:51:21,765
Okay. Councillor boom.

2212
01:51:22,595 --> 01:51:24,565
Yeah, thank you. So my,

2213
01:51:24,625 --> 01:51:26,525
and I appreciate that that was gonna be one of my questions

2214
01:51:26,625 --> 01:51:27,805
and, and that that does help.

2215
01:51:27,945 --> 01:51:30,525
So now kind of moving on to this, the use

2216
01:51:30,525 --> 01:51:31,685
of the opioid dollars and,

2217
01:51:31,685 --> 01:51:32,725
and I really appreciate the work

2218
01:51:32,725 --> 01:51:34,165
that's been done contacting the state

2219
01:51:34,225 --> 01:51:36,365
and kind of finding out where we stand with that

2220
01:51:36,465 --> 01:51:39,245
and that it would be allowable, other cities are doing it

2221
01:51:40,115 --> 01:51:43,165
unfortunately in the last two years of having to deal

2222
01:51:43,165 --> 01:51:46,525
with this building, the state's lied to us

2223
01:51:46,525 --> 01:51:48,445
before they've tried to move the goalpost on us.

2224
01:51:48,465 --> 01:51:51,485
And so I understand that, that there is a potentiality that

2225
01:51:51,485 --> 01:51:53,645
that could happen and, and in that case we would have

2226
01:51:53,645 --> 01:51:57,685
to expand the kind of opioid addiction treatment facilities

2227
01:51:57,685 --> 01:51:59,285
that the state would then require.

2228
01:52:00,385 --> 01:52:03,645
Am I, am I wrong in that legal that that is a possibility

2229
01:52:09,045 --> 01:52:11,785
The state moves the goalposts at some point?

2230
01:52:12,015 --> 01:52:13,665
Sure, that's always a possibility.

2231
01:52:13,665 --> 01:52:17,025
However, you know, we've talked about this I think

2232
01:52:17,325 --> 01:52:19,145
to be totally honest, I think we're getting a little bit out

2233
01:52:19,145 --> 01:52:22,545
of the scope of this contract vote right now you're acting

2234
01:52:22,565 --> 01:52:25,065
as a contract approval board and,

2235
01:52:25,365 --> 01:52:29,025
and I understand your question so I'll answer it in this way

2236
01:52:29,025 --> 01:52:31,745
to the extent I can and it kind

2237
01:52:31,745 --> 01:52:33,225
of ties into Councilor Duane's question

2238
01:52:33,245 --> 01:52:34,985
so that'll actually be a better way to answer it.

2239
01:52:35,005 --> 01:52:38,065
So the previous ad hoc committee had talked about, you know,

2240
01:52:38,065 --> 01:52:39,545
appropriate uses for the property

2241
01:52:39,725 --> 01:52:43,865
and that included appropriate ways to help people

2242
01:52:44,415 --> 01:52:47,045
meet the needs for transitional housing including bridge

2243
01:52:47,045 --> 01:52:49,925
housing and appropriate spaces for training

2244
01:52:49,945 --> 01:52:51,165
and meetings relating to housing

2245
01:52:51,165 --> 01:52:55,325
and homeless services that ties directly into exhibit E

2246
01:52:55,325 --> 01:52:58,685
of the opioid use settlement funds,

2247
01:52:59,215 --> 01:53:02,005
which is comprehensive wraparound services to so

2248
01:53:02,705 --> 01:53:05,925
to individuals including housing, transportation, education,

2249
01:53:06,025 --> 01:53:08,285
job placement, job training or childcare.

2250
01:53:08,775 --> 01:53:10,685
Those are very broad

2251
01:53:10,985 --> 01:53:12,285
and I think they could be interpreted

2252
01:53:12,285 --> 01:53:13,405
by our community partners.

2253
01:53:13,605 --> 01:53:14,845
Everyone's gonna say they fit that need.

2254
01:53:15,025 --> 01:53:19,765
So I think we would be well within those that exhibit under

2255
01:53:19,765 --> 01:53:22,885
that regard, providing employment training

2256
01:53:22,985 --> 01:53:26,325
or educational services, hiring social workers,

2257
01:53:27,325 --> 01:53:29,445
training behavioral health workers, there are

2258
01:53:29,445 --> 01:53:30,725
so many things under that exhibit

2259
01:53:30,725 --> 01:53:33,325
that the shelter could potentially be used for and

2260
01:53:33,325 --> 01:53:34,805
therefore appropriate use of those funds.

2261
01:53:35,185 --> 01:53:37,165
So I feel very confident that

2262
01:53:37,165 --> 01:53:39,605
unless they just completely say we're not giving this away,

2263
01:53:39,605 --> 01:53:42,285
if you look at the information set out to council,

2264
01:53:42,615 --> 01:53:45,765
which listed numerous ways that people have used this

2265
01:53:45,785 --> 01:53:47,565
and it's been approved and has gone through

2266
01:53:48,595 --> 01:53:50,405
this falls smack down in the middle of all of 'em.

2267
01:53:50,405 --> 01:53:52,085
So I feel very confident in the work that we've done

2268
01:53:52,145 --> 01:53:53,445
to make sure that we're using those funds

2269
01:53:53,445 --> 01:53:54,725
appropriately. Thank

2270
01:53:55,715 --> 01:53:56,715
Councilor Rill.

2271
01:53:57,415 --> 01:54:00,285
Thank you mayor. Appreciate it Scott, thank you

2272
01:54:00,285 --> 01:54:01,325
for your time and bringing this forward.

2273
01:54:01,355 --> 01:54:03,325
I've got about four or five questions that're really direct

2274
01:54:03,325 --> 01:54:05,245
and they're like building specific construction

2275
01:54:05,245 --> 01:54:06,925
related and value.

2276
01:54:07,235 --> 01:54:09,245
Have we had an appraisal, do we have any idea what kind

2277
01:54:09,245 --> 01:54:11,445
of contributory value this investment makes?

2278
01:54:11,505 --> 01:54:12,605
And the reason I ask that is

2279
01:54:12,605 --> 01:54:14,125
because a lot of what I'm hearing about this building

2280
01:54:14,125 --> 01:54:16,605
and the whole process leading up to today is negative.

2281
01:54:16,865 --> 01:54:18,125
And if we have to cut our losses

2282
01:54:18,585 --> 01:54:21,725
and potentially divest in this building potentially at a

2283
01:54:21,725 --> 01:54:24,685
loss, is this million dollar approximate investment gonna

2284
01:54:24,685 --> 01:54:25,845
give us a contributory value?

2285
01:54:25,995 --> 01:54:29,285
Have we had any appraisal at all to the construction?

2286
01:54:30,105 --> 01:54:33,245
Not a, what I would say a real estate analysis on

2287
01:54:33,675 --> 01:54:35,485
valuation of improvements relative

2288
01:54:35,485 --> 01:54:38,445
to the base appraisal number.

2289
01:54:38,825 --> 01:54:40,325
So we have not looked at that.

2290
01:54:40,925 --> 01:54:43,085
I think our goal when we started this process was

2291
01:54:43,085 --> 01:54:45,565
to just maintain the maximum flexibility

2292
01:54:45,625 --> 01:54:47,005
and use of the facility

2293
01:54:47,475 --> 01:54:50,165
with set improvements recommended by the ad hoc.

2294
01:54:50,485 --> 01:54:53,645
But we haven't done kind of a, a real estate analysis

2295
01:54:53,715 --> 01:54:56,325
with a a commercial broker giving,

2296
01:54:56,805 --> 01:55:00,365
having them give us their best idea of what it would do

2297
01:55:00,365 --> 01:55:01,485
to the facility itself.

2298
01:55:01,705 --> 01:55:03,645
In your opinion of overseeing facilities,

2299
01:55:03,665 --> 01:55:06,325
do you think this million dollar investment is gonna be a

2300
01:55:06,325 --> 01:55:07,805
good investment into this asset

2301
01:55:09,145 --> 01:55:10,525
For continued operation For the

2302
01:55:10,525 --> 01:55:11,565
city of what we talked about?

2303
01:55:11,845 --> 01:55:15,165
I feel like it will be, it provides the benefit of

2304
01:55:15,595 --> 01:55:16,685
what the discussion

2305
01:55:16,685 --> 01:55:19,525
for the master plan ad hoc committee has brought forward

2306
01:55:20,375 --> 01:55:23,405
while still allowing flexible use of the space,

2307
01:55:23,885 --> 01:55:26,525
allowing other people to come in and to provide services

2308
01:55:26,865 --> 01:55:29,005
and lease out that space for those services.

2309
01:55:30,345 --> 01:55:33,085
And then there's still future expansion area

2310
01:55:33,105 --> 01:55:35,565
and changes that could be had based on additional

2311
01:55:35,565 --> 01:55:38,125
recommendations that come out of additional discussions.

2312
01:55:38,675 --> 01:55:40,245
Copy. And then as far as the hvac,

2313
01:55:40,305 --> 01:55:42,245
is it just an HVAC contractor?

2314
01:55:42,365 --> 01:55:45,605
I mean Outliers a reputable company, they're,

2315
01:55:45,605 --> 01:55:48,485
they're respected here but is it their engineer

2316
01:55:48,665 --> 01:55:51,405
and their HVAC contractor saying yeah it's from 93,

2317
01:55:51,405 --> 01:55:53,005
upgrade it or have we done any data

2318
01:55:53,005 --> 01:55:54,245
tests like temperature tests?

2319
01:55:54,515 --> 01:55:55,845
Have we checked the refrigerant?

2320
01:55:55,995 --> 01:55:58,125
What type of refrigerant is it? Can we still get it?

2321
01:55:58,315 --> 01:56:00,485
Like do we have some data that says we need to replace it?

2322
01:56:00,645 --> 01:56:02,605
'cause what we find often in construction is

2323
01:56:02,605 --> 01:56:04,165
that the older stuff lasts a long time

2324
01:56:04,345 --> 01:56:06,485
and the new products that we're, we're installing today

2325
01:56:07,015 --> 01:56:08,125
don't have the same legs.

2326
01:56:08,265 --> 01:56:10,565
So have we had any data to support that we haven't

2327
01:56:10,625 --> 01:56:12,245
or is better, let's just get new stuff

2328
01:56:13,055 --> 01:56:16,805
Based on the age of the system and the loading required.

2329
01:56:16,985 --> 01:56:20,165
You know with HVAC and I'm not an expert by any means,

2330
01:56:20,265 --> 01:56:23,205
but the higher the load that you put on the system,

2331
01:56:23,265 --> 01:56:27,285
the more use, the faster they burn out over time.

2332
01:56:27,545 --> 01:56:30,045
And with this system being from 93

2333
01:56:30,945 --> 01:56:32,445
and being of its age,

2334
01:56:33,015 --> 01:56:34,845
we've seen this on our own facility side

2335
01:56:34,845 --> 01:56:36,445
that they will just kick the bucket

2336
01:56:36,745 --> 01:56:41,045
and then as I said, you're scrambling to get a replaced kind

2337
01:56:41,045 --> 01:56:42,325
of under an emergency basis

2338
01:56:42,425 --> 01:56:44,965
and then you're paying a higher, you know,

2339
01:56:44,975 --> 01:56:47,485
front end to expedite it.

2340
01:56:47,485 --> 01:56:48,845
Especially if we're operating

2341
01:56:48,845 --> 01:56:50,245
as a city and emergency shelter.

2342
01:56:50,965 --> 01:56:53,285
But we haven't done any, any sort of test

2343
01:56:54,345 --> 01:56:56,285
on the system itself. Copy

2344
01:56:56,345 --> 01:56:57,345
Two more.

2345
01:56:58,235 --> 01:56:59,565
Have we, if we were

2346
01:56:59,565 --> 01:57:02,925
to compare again super respectable company, a lot

2347
01:57:02,925 --> 01:57:04,285
of confidence in them, but if we were

2348
01:57:04,285 --> 01:57:06,685
to look at the contract we currently have with outlier

2349
01:57:07,245 --> 01:57:08,765
downtown, can we say

2350
01:57:08,765 --> 01:57:10,765
that they're staying on budget and on time schedule?

2351
01:57:10,965 --> 01:57:12,645
'cause that's a good comparator to the work we're about

2352
01:57:12,645 --> 01:57:16,045
to take on in the Lyft we're gonna take at 2200.

2353
01:57:16,665 --> 01:57:20,645
So I did actually look at bid tab from Community center,

2354
01:57:20,645 --> 01:57:23,765
pioneer Hall to cross compare a couple of items

2355
01:57:24,625 --> 01:57:28,645
and in the bid tab in your GMP, they kind of align

2356
01:57:28,755 --> 01:57:30,365
with the previous pricing we've seen,

2357
01:57:30,365 --> 01:57:32,845
especially on the HVAC system units

2358
01:57:33,585 --> 01:57:35,285
and you know, some of the fit

2359
01:57:35,285 --> 01:57:39,565
and finishes work that are proposed inside 2200.

2360
01:57:39,825 --> 01:57:43,005
So it generally lines with what I've looked at,

2361
01:57:43,435 --> 01:57:44,565
copy, cross comparison

2362
01:57:44,865 --> 01:57:46,405
And then timeline similar as well.

2363
01:57:46,985 --> 01:57:49,165
The timeline was extended for community center

2364
01:57:49,165 --> 01:57:50,605
because we had the Mac

2365
01:57:51,505 --> 01:57:54,085
and some additional structural renovations.

2366
01:57:55,225 --> 01:57:59,965
So Pioneer Hall was completed within about a month

2367
01:57:59,965 --> 01:58:02,765
and a half of the original anticipated finish date,

2368
01:58:03,215 --> 01:58:05,845
which was slowed down by our process primarily

2369
01:58:05,865 --> 01:58:07,525
and some lead time issues that came up.

2370
01:58:08,385 --> 01:58:09,645
And then the community center,

2371
01:58:10,635 --> 01:58:12,245
it's been delayed a couple more months

2372
01:58:12,485 --> 01:58:14,245
'cause of the additional structural work.

2373
01:58:14,825 --> 01:58:15,845
But I still think

2374
01:58:15,845 --> 01:58:18,685
that there was confidence when we originally started this

2375
01:58:18,715 --> 01:58:23,045
that they could finish on that schedule that we anticipated

2376
01:58:23,105 --> 01:58:25,845
for those facilities outside of potentially as, you know,

2377
01:58:25,995 --> 01:58:29,045
some lead time issues that come up on procurement

2378
01:58:29,065 --> 01:58:32,405
for equipment that drag a schedule down.

2379
01:58:33,105 --> 01:58:38,045
So if we give outlier the green light, they already have all

2380
01:58:38,045 --> 01:58:41,285
of their procurement ready to send out to their subs

2381
01:58:41,285 --> 01:58:43,925
and give them the green light to start that process in order

2382
01:58:44,025 --> 01:58:47,205
to kind of hold that November 1st target in place.

2383
01:58:47,555 --> 01:58:48,885
Awesome, thank you.

2384
01:58:48,915 --> 01:58:50,685
That was, that was a good answer to that.

2385
01:58:50,685 --> 01:58:52,845
And the last question I have is not a dig to staff,

2386
01:58:52,955 --> 01:58:56,365
it's not a dig to this building, it's just like, are we

2387
01:58:57,165 --> 01:59:01,565
building a checklist based on the pressures we're facing now

2388
01:59:02,105 --> 01:59:04,925
to use to do due diligence on the next building

2389
01:59:04,945 --> 01:59:06,085
before we go buy it?

2390
01:59:06,395 --> 01:59:09,085
Like all these meanings of the mind to go test the HVAC

2391
01:59:09,105 --> 01:59:11,685
and to, to look at these systems like we should be having

2392
01:59:11,685 --> 01:59:14,685
before we make the purchase not two years down the road.

2393
01:59:14,865 --> 01:59:16,725
So again, not a dig to staff,

2394
01:59:16,725 --> 01:59:18,045
like everybody's doing the best they can

2395
01:59:18,165 --> 01:59:19,805
with what's in front of 'em, but are we building a checklist

2396
01:59:19,945 --> 01:59:23,125
so we don't get in a similar pickle where the the committees

2397
01:59:23,125 --> 01:59:24,845
and the, the people and the emails

2398
01:59:24,905 --> 01:59:27,245
and everybody's asking us all these like pretty good

2399
01:59:27,365 --> 01:59:28,645
questions and we're like, we're trying.

2400
01:59:29,345 --> 01:59:30,405
So I'll interrupt

2401
01:59:30,465 --> 01:59:32,245
and say that that's a question for the city manager.

2402
01:59:33,995 --> 01:59:36,685
Yeah, I think the purchase of this building obviously

2403
01:59:37,265 --> 01:59:39,845
was a different time two years ago, so I think there's a lot

2404
01:59:39,845 --> 01:59:40,965
of lessons learned,

2405
01:59:41,025 --> 01:59:44,965
but I don't foresee us anywhere in the near future being in

2406
01:59:45,005 --> 01:59:47,365
a similar situation in terms of procuring a building.

2407
01:59:47,755 --> 01:59:50,525
That being said, I think we can do it better next

2408
01:59:50,525 --> 01:59:53,045
time. Great.

2409
01:59:53,655 --> 01:59:55,845
Thank you both. I appreciate that. Thank you

2410
01:59:55,845 --> 01:59:56,885
Mayor Councilor Dale.

2411
01:59:57,735 --> 01:59:58,765
Thank you Mayor and,

2412
01:59:58,825 --> 02:00:02,365
and yes, being just four days over two years ago when we

2413
02:00:02,365 --> 02:00:05,245
made this vote, I I I can assure you I wish I would've

2414
02:00:05,245 --> 02:00:07,045
thought about fire sprinklers when we had that vote

2415
02:00:07,545 --> 02:00:09,685
and I didn't and I kicked myself every day for that.

2416
02:00:11,465 --> 02:00:13,565
Carmel, thank you for stepping up 'cause this one's for you.

2417
02:00:14,755 --> 02:00:16,965
This is is kind of along the same lines as,

2418
02:00:17,025 --> 02:00:20,085
as the city attorney talked about, kind of opposite though.

2419
02:00:20,185 --> 02:00:23,325
It is. You had written in here in the, in the packet

2420
02:00:24,015 --> 02:00:26,485
about the proposed renovation and I'll, I'll read it

2421
02:00:26,485 --> 02:00:28,085
and I do have a question at the end of this where you said

2422
02:00:28,625 --> 02:00:31,325
the cross system service center is intended to act

2423
02:00:31,325 --> 02:00:32,365
as a central point

2424
02:00:32,385 --> 02:00:34,525
for collaborative cross system coordination,

2425
02:00:34,535 --> 02:00:37,445
which is a crucial strategy for preventing over-prescribing,

2426
02:00:37,445 --> 02:00:41,845
addressing opioid misuse and supporting individuals with OUD

2427
02:00:41,845 --> 02:00:43,485
and coke occurring disorders.

2428
02:00:43,485 --> 02:00:45,605
Planned upgrades, including sleeping in shower line fees,

2429
02:00:45,605 --> 02:00:46,765
will enable the sit center

2430
02:00:46,765 --> 02:00:49,725
to provide comprehensive wraparound services in a continuum

2431
02:00:49,745 --> 02:00:52,445
of care for vulnerable populations

2432
02:00:52,725 --> 02:00:53,845
affected by the opioid crisis.

2433
02:00:54,025 --> 02:00:55,645
By co-locating various services

2434
02:00:55,705 --> 02:00:58,205
and resources, the city will facilitate connections

2435
02:00:58,205 --> 02:00:59,405
to treatment, recovery, housing

2436
02:00:59,405 --> 02:01:00,645
and other essential support systems,

2437
02:01:01,315 --> 02:01:04,005
thereby direct addressing the goals of the opioid abatement

2438
02:01:04,005 --> 02:01:05,765
and community support specified in the settlement agreement.

2439
02:01:06,645 --> 02:01:09,405
I don't know what that means. Can you simplify

2440
02:01:09,485 --> 02:01:10,565
that and give me examples?

2441
02:01:10,805 --> 02:01:15,405
'cause what I feel like is I appreciate despite, you know,

2442
02:01:15,405 --> 02:01:17,725
best efforts and, and all the hard work for staff,

2443
02:01:18,245 --> 02:01:20,245
I feel like we're building this plan as we're flying it.

2444
02:01:20,265 --> 02:01:21,605
And just even tonight I felt

2445
02:01:21,605 --> 02:01:23,525
that scope creep has just really crept in.

2446
02:01:23,625 --> 02:01:24,685
So like no, thank you. Thank you.

2447
02:01:24,915 --> 02:01:26,485
Help me dial this in. Can I just

2448
02:01:26,635 --> 02:01:28,805
Real quick, before Carmel gives her detailed answer,

2449
02:01:29,125 --> 02:01:30,765
I just wanna point out that we're already doing this

2450
02:01:30,865 --> 02:01:34,605
by contracting, excuse me, with Aura and Rogue Retreat.

2451
02:01:34,605 --> 02:01:37,605
They're doing all that. Yes. Okay.

2452
02:01:39,905 --> 02:01:42,645
Yes. Thank you for calling out my, I guess legalese

2453
02:01:42,745 --> 02:01:45,165
or perhaps a too ver verbose of an answer.

2454
02:01:46,405 --> 02:01:48,805
I mean, I think some of it really, I mean my analysis,

2455
02:01:49,145 --> 02:01:50,805
it also really goes back to

2456
02:01:51,405 --> 02:01:52,885
what the city attorney spoke about

2457
02:01:53,425 --> 02:01:56,325
was taking a very close look at exhibit E

2458
02:01:57,025 --> 02:02:00,085
and what you'll find in exhibit E, which was the,

2459
02:02:00,735 --> 02:02:04,125
which is basically the outline for cities for how the,

2460
02:02:04,345 --> 02:02:08,485
how cities or other counties, people, entities

2461
02:02:08,485 --> 02:02:11,925
that have had a, that have agreed to partner in the,

2462
02:02:12,345 --> 02:02:13,885
in the use of opioid funds.

2463
02:02:15,395 --> 02:02:17,325
It's, it's like, it's very specific

2464
02:02:17,345 --> 02:02:18,485
and broad at the same time.

2465
02:02:18,625 --> 02:02:21,925
And, and that is sort of in my reading

2466
02:02:22,105 --> 02:02:24,405
of the document in my kind of understanding

2467
02:02:24,505 --> 02:02:27,525
of the opioid crisis is that it's broad on purpose

2468
02:02:27,915 --> 02:02:32,405
because the people who suffer from opioid abuse have

2469
02:02:35,435 --> 02:02:37,205
need a variety of care options.

2470
02:02:37,505 --> 02:02:39,805
And so the terms of the settlement were written

2471
02:02:40,355 --> 02:02:41,605
kind of broad on purpose.

2472
02:02:42,895 --> 02:02:47,045
There are some, so the,

2473
02:02:47,585 --> 02:02:51,925
so I think the, the long language was sort

2474
02:02:51,925 --> 02:02:53,765
of my attempt to try

2475
02:02:53,905 --> 02:02:55,685
and summarize Exhibit

2476
02:02:55,925 --> 02:02:59,965
E if that answered it.

2477
02:03:01,075 --> 02:03:03,725
Okay, thank you Councillor Hansen.

2478
02:03:05,815 --> 02:03:08,845
Thank you. One more question about the emergency part

2479
02:03:08,845 --> 02:03:10,005
of the emergency shelter.

2480
02:03:10,625 --> 02:03:12,925
Are we putting in a generator plug on the

2481
02:03:12,925 --> 02:03:16,205
outside power goes out, city has generators everywhere.

2482
02:03:16,745 --> 02:03:19,525
It seems like if we're doing all this upgrade work, we need

2483
02:03:19,525 --> 02:03:22,525
to have, we have some sort of ability to hook up

2484
02:03:22,825 --> 02:03:24,565
to a a generator.

2485
02:03:25,545 --> 02:03:28,645
We haven't talked, We haven't talked about transfer

2486
02:03:28,645 --> 02:03:31,605
switch installation on the exterior of the building

2487
02:03:31,615 --> 02:03:32,725
where the panel is,

2488
02:03:32,785 --> 02:03:34,485
but that's something that I can raise

2489
02:03:34,515 --> 02:03:36,125
with outlier as part of the process.

2490
02:03:36,555 --> 02:03:38,445
Yeah, so you could plug in,

2491
02:03:39,305 --> 02:03:41,725
we do have trailer mounted generators

2492
02:03:42,265 --> 02:03:45,445
and city infrastructure that are used in other locations

2493
02:03:45,445 --> 02:03:48,325
that could be deployed potentially

2494
02:03:48,325 --> 02:03:50,165
to provide backup power to the facility.

2495
02:03:50,265 --> 02:03:52,965
So I can raise that with outlier as part of the discussion

2496
02:03:53,605 --> 02:03:56,805
since this, if they move forward with panel upgrades

2497
02:03:56,825 --> 02:03:58,885
and electrical changes, that's something

2498
02:03:58,885 --> 02:04:01,685
that could pro potentially be easily slipped into

2499
02:04:01,715 --> 02:04:02,965
that portion of the work.

2500
02:04:03,335 --> 02:04:05,125
Right. Thank you very much. Appreciate that.

2501
02:04:05,875 --> 02:04:06,925
Councilor Kaplan?

2502
02:04:07,915 --> 02:04:10,445
Yeah, thanks Mayor Scott, I'm trying to move

2503
02:04:10,445 --> 02:04:13,525
to us towards a, I'm, I'm trying to craft a motion

2504
02:04:14,545 --> 02:04:15,685
but I need a little bit of help

2505
02:04:15,685 --> 02:04:19,325
because what I, where I'm going if is I'd like to,

2506
02:04:19,385 --> 02:04:23,005
I'm gonna try to create a motion that approves the

2507
02:04:23,645 --> 02:04:27,845
contract amendment as we're talking about defers the

2508
02:04:28,515 --> 02:04:32,085
HVAC upgrades for the main building, main part

2509
02:04:32,085 --> 02:04:35,645
of the building, but includes a separate

2510
02:04:36,395 --> 02:04:40,285
HVAC system for the, that main shelter area.

2511
02:04:40,705 --> 02:04:43,925
And my problem is what's the amount not to exceed

2512
02:04:44,075 --> 02:04:45,685
that should preclude?

2513
02:04:49,105 --> 02:04:52,445
So I, I would look at it from a contracting flexibility

2514
02:04:52,755 --> 02:04:56,165
side of things because if you look through the GMP,

2515
02:04:56,165 --> 02:04:59,525
everything is itemized per a bullet

2516
02:04:59,745 --> 02:05:03,845
and its amount, we can cross things off that list

2517
02:05:03,905 --> 02:05:06,405
and add things to it.

2518
02:05:07,425 --> 02:05:10,445
So you would be generally to provide us the ability

2519
02:05:10,445 --> 02:05:13,325
to have those conversations, allow outlier to do the work,

2520
02:05:13,465 --> 02:05:16,205
get bids back from the sub and refine those numbers.

2521
02:05:17,305 --> 02:05:19,765
You would look at the alternate one motion.

2522
02:05:21,105 --> 02:05:24,965
And what we do as part of the contracting process is

2523
02:05:25,865 --> 02:05:30,205
do reconciliations throughout the, the structure.

2524
02:05:30,825 --> 02:05:33,805
So say outlier finishes a scope item

2525
02:05:34,065 --> 02:05:37,605
and it came in under budget by $500,

2526
02:05:38,115 --> 02:05:39,645
then there's a change request

2527
02:05:39,675 --> 02:05:42,925
that credits our contract amount by that $500.

2528
02:05:43,425 --> 02:05:47,245
If a budget item goes over by $500, we do a change request

2529
02:05:47,625 --> 02:05:50,245
to process that addition four $500.

2530
02:05:50,985 --> 02:05:55,325
And so it's a continuous balancing of reconciling the,

2531
02:05:55,585 --> 02:05:57,325
the amounts for each one of those

2532
02:05:58,265 --> 02:05:59,925
bid items throughout the whole process.

2533
02:06:00,105 --> 02:06:01,885
And that's how we've done the community center.

2534
02:06:02,615 --> 02:06:03,645
We've had credits

2535
02:06:03,785 --> 02:06:07,405
and we've had debts as part of each one of the scope items

2536
02:06:07,405 --> 02:06:08,645
that get reconciled.

2537
02:06:09,425 --> 02:06:13,205
So if we have that, I'll just say that 917 amount

2538
02:06:13,555 --> 02:06:14,965
that gives us the ability

2539
02:06:15,305 --> 02:06:17,525
to let them go look at that other unit.

2540
02:06:17,905 --> 02:06:20,085
We pause the two new units.

2541
02:06:20,265 --> 02:06:22,125
So just for reference,

2542
02:06:22,665 --> 02:06:25,805
the new unit would be 60,000 plus the electrical work.

2543
02:06:26,405 --> 02:06:30,005
A replacement of the two existing units is anticipated

2544
02:06:30,065 --> 02:06:31,285
to cost 80,000.

2545
02:06:31,425 --> 02:06:33,925
So you have kind of that balance there

2546
02:06:34,705 --> 02:06:37,005
of washing those two out with a little bit

2547
02:06:37,005 --> 02:06:40,405
of additional money for potentially the electrical upgrades

2548
02:06:40,405 --> 02:06:42,485
that might be required that we haven't looked at yet.

2549
02:06:43,065 --> 02:06:46,245
The change, if they anticipated the hot water heater under

2550
02:06:46,245 --> 02:06:49,205
the original scope to be gassed to change that to electric

2551
02:06:50,065 --> 02:06:52,525
and there's just from a contracting flexibility,

2552
02:06:52,645 --> 02:06:54,765
a little bit more granted to staff

2553
02:06:54,905 --> 02:06:56,605
to maneuver through that process.

2554
02:06:58,615 --> 02:06:59,645
Councillor Duque,

2555
02:07:00,455 --> 02:07:01,455
Thank you.

2556
02:07:02,125 --> 02:07:03,645
I know we're kind of going back and forth,

2557
02:07:03,745 --> 02:07:05,565
but Carmel, this one's for you.

2558
02:07:07,705 --> 02:07:09,325
I'm looking at exhibit E

2559
02:07:10,265 --> 02:07:14,405
and it says, lays out the vari a variety of ways

2560
02:07:14,555 --> 02:07:17,845
that recipient can comply with the terms

2561
02:07:18,025 --> 02:07:21,485
of the settlement agreement regarding the opioid fund.

2562
02:07:22,625 --> 02:07:26,325
So if looking at the 10 offices

2563
02:07:27,395 --> 02:07:29,325
that are at 2200,

2564
02:07:30,545 --> 02:07:35,485
if there was a regional provider that

2565
02:07:36,285 --> 02:07:38,645
assisted it was a resource

2566
02:07:38,985 --> 02:07:42,525
and could direct people to go to a, B

2567
02:07:42,525 --> 02:07:46,165
or C location to get treatment, would

2568
02:07:46,165 --> 02:07:48,005
that satisfy that need?

2569
02:07:48,985 --> 02:07:50,805
Yes. Yeah.

2570
02:07:50,905 --> 02:07:53,845
And and and that's a great example of speaking

2571
02:07:53,905 --> 02:07:58,125
to the flexibility to that the settlement really wanted

2572
02:07:59,265 --> 02:08:03,885
cities to have in helping in helping treatment,

2573
02:08:04,015 --> 02:08:07,405
which is, which is a lot of times partnerships.

2574
02:08:09,125 --> 02:08:13,725
I want to express the importance that we adhere

2575
02:08:13,745 --> 02:08:17,765
to the ad hoc committee, the previous ad hoc committee

2576
02:08:18,195 --> 02:08:21,685
because I was one of the liaisons.

2577
02:08:21,825 --> 02:08:26,285
And one thing that they really stressed was using this

2578
02:08:26,385 --> 02:08:27,605
as a weather shelter.

2579
02:08:28,505 --> 02:08:31,605
That's what it was. Got the grant was written for that.

2580
02:08:31,785 --> 02:08:33,405
That's what it is. And

2581
02:08:33,405 --> 02:08:37,125
so I wanna really stress the importance of hearing

2582
02:08:37,465 --> 02:08:39,365
and listening to our community.

2583
02:08:40,415 --> 02:08:41,925
Thank you Carmel for your answer.

2584
02:08:43,705 --> 02:08:47,685
Any remaining questions? Councilor Sherell.

2585
02:08:47,685 --> 02:08:49,125
Thank you. This is probably for city attorney.

2586
02:08:49,625 --> 02:08:52,525
Do we have any prepayment penalty on the private

2587
02:08:52,635 --> 02:08:53,725
debt that we hold?

2588
02:08:54,275 --> 02:08:56,405
Like do we have any debt on this building still?

2589
02:08:57,105 --> 02:08:59,765
Yes. I believe we have a private note for 20 years.

2590
02:08:59,765 --> 02:09:02,045
Yes. Do we have a prepayment penalty if we have to bail out

2591
02:09:02,045 --> 02:09:03,765
of this and sell this asset to recover funds?

2592
02:09:03,765 --> 02:09:05,605
Because it doesn't work. We bill it and nobody comes

2593
02:09:05,665 --> 02:09:08,325
or we have whatever problems the goalposts move.

2594
02:09:08,905 --> 02:09:11,285
Can we get out of the debt if we had to?

2595
02:09:12,195 --> 02:09:16,165
Yeah, we just have to pay it off without penalty. Yes. Copy.

2596
02:09:16,165 --> 02:09:17,165
Thanks.

2597
02:09:19,105 --> 02:09:20,405
Are there any final questions?

2598
02:09:21,865 --> 02:09:24,765
The floor is open for a motion. Councillor Kaplan.

2599
02:09:27,685 --> 02:09:30,005
I move to approve the contract amendment without Liar.

2600
02:09:30,325 --> 02:09:32,005
Construction Company for the emergency

2601
02:09:32,005 --> 02:09:33,045
shelter upgrade project.

2602
02:09:33,195 --> 02:09:34,845
Pausing, replacement replacement

2603
02:09:34,845 --> 02:09:36,325
of the two existing HVAC units

2604
02:09:36,465 --> 02:09:38,125
and including a separate HVAC system

2605
02:09:38,125 --> 02:09:40,805
for the primary severe weather shelter space not to exceed

2606
02:09:41,725 --> 02:09:44,165
$917,250.

2607
02:09:45,705 --> 02:09:46,365
Is there a second?

2608
02:09:52,745 --> 02:09:54,485
For lack of a second. The motion fails.

2609
02:09:54,545 --> 02:09:57,325
The floor is open for a motion. Councillor Hansen.

2610
02:09:59,175 --> 02:10:01,645
Thank you. I move to approve the contract amendment

2611
02:10:01,645 --> 02:10:03,325
with Outlier Construction Company

2612
02:10:03,585 --> 02:10:05,485
for the emergency shelter upgrade project,

2613
02:10:05,485 --> 02:10:07,005
including alternates one

2614
02:10:07,005 --> 02:10:08,005
and two in an amount

2615
02:10:08,005 --> 02:10:12,645
to not exceed $947,936.

2616
02:10:14,065 --> 02:10:17,205
Second Councillor Hansen.

2617
02:10:18,895 --> 02:10:22,685
Thank you. I appreciate my colleagues' amendment

2618
02:10:24,105 --> 02:10:25,245
or motion.

2619
02:10:25,415 --> 02:10:29,765
Thank you. But I'm really interested in the

2620
02:10:30,405 --> 02:10:35,005
ultimate flexibility of this property having been through a,

2621
02:10:35,125 --> 02:10:37,045
a couple natural disasters here in Ashland.

2622
02:10:38,165 --> 02:10:40,605
I think it is a wise investment for our community.

2623
02:10:40,665 --> 02:10:43,285
Now I know that this is going above

2624
02:10:43,285 --> 02:10:47,245
and beyond perhaps the emergency shelter minimum

2625
02:10:49,875 --> 02:10:53,125
Mandate, but

2626
02:10:54,975 --> 02:10:58,115
we have invested enough in this resource that I feel

2627
02:10:58,115 --> 02:11:01,835
that it's important for us to take it to the next level.

2628
02:11:03,275 --> 02:11:06,395
I I'm really distressed

2629
02:11:06,395 --> 02:11:09,595
that we didn't have our shelter in hand for last winter

2630
02:11:10,095 --> 02:11:12,995
and I realized that staff worked hard and, and,

2631
02:11:13,655 --> 02:11:15,435
and now here we are

2632
02:11:15,575 --> 02:11:19,075
and I'm glad to hear that we can, we can try to get in there

2633
02:11:19,095 --> 02:11:21,635
by November and

2634
02:11:21,635 --> 02:11:23,675
that's my primary concern is

2635
02:11:23,735 --> 02:11:24,795
can we get in there by November?

2636
02:11:24,855 --> 02:11:27,035
And I'm glad that we're here. So I hope

2637
02:11:27,035 --> 02:11:28,515
that something passes tonight.

2638
02:11:29,215 --> 02:11:31,075
If not this one of the other amendments.

2639
02:11:31,235 --> 02:11:34,995
'cause that's the most important thing. I love the plan.

2640
02:11:35,235 --> 02:11:38,035
I love the, the ability for services

2641
02:11:38,215 --> 02:11:42,195
and to help our unhoused community get those services

2642
02:11:42,535 --> 02:11:44,035
and get the help that they need

2643
02:11:44,295 --> 02:11:47,635
and ultimately housing.

2644
02:11:48,535 --> 02:11:49,755
So for those reasons

2645
02:11:50,255 --> 02:11:53,795
and for all the work that's put into this, I think

2646
02:11:53,795 --> 02:11:57,235
that is the best wise investment for the city to go for

2647
02:11:57,745 --> 02:11:59,115
both the alternatives

2648
02:11:59,655 --> 02:12:03,475
and that's why I support this, why I'm making this motion.

2649
02:12:04,125 --> 02:12:05,235
Councillor Sherell.

2650
02:12:05,705 --> 02:12:07,715
Yeah. Thank you Mayor. I could have supported either

2651
02:12:07,715 --> 02:12:09,715
motion, I think, but I think there is gonna be an economy

2652
02:12:09,775 --> 02:12:10,955
of scale if we do this job.

2653
02:12:11,125 --> 02:12:13,075
Let's, let's do the best we can while we're in there.

2654
02:12:13,415 --> 02:12:14,635
So we don't have any callbacks

2655
02:12:14,775 --> 02:12:17,635
and I hope we're not taking longer and costing more.

2656
02:12:19,105 --> 02:12:21,875
Councilor Bo? Yes, I move to amend the motion

2657
02:12:21,875 --> 02:12:23,715
to add direction to staff to do the following

2658
02:12:23,715 --> 02:12:25,755
before the building becomes operational.

2659
02:12:26,215 --> 02:12:28,555
The no shower or laundry trailer will be allowed

2660
02:12:28,555 --> 02:12:30,835
unless in the event of a citywide emergency

2661
02:12:31,065 --> 02:12:33,395
that there will be no camping or outdoor lodging

2662
02:12:33,395 --> 02:12:35,515
unless with the express permission of the city council.

2663
02:12:36,135 --> 02:12:37,635
The selection of service providers

2664
02:12:37,635 --> 02:12:39,275
for the building must be approved by council.

2665
02:12:39,705 --> 02:12:42,195
That all access to services will be by appointment only.

2666
02:12:42,585 --> 02:12:44,235
That property should be fenced

2667
02:12:44,235 --> 02:12:45,995
and well maintained with additional trees.

2668
02:12:46,105 --> 02:12:48,875
Fire safe landscaping, continuous weed abatement

2669
02:12:48,875 --> 02:12:51,595
and routine maintenance to keep the site visually in line

2670
02:12:51,595 --> 02:12:52,915
with other city facilities.

2671
02:12:53,175 --> 02:12:54,875
And that before the building is operational,

2672
02:12:55,085 --> 02:12:56,675
there is a clear operational budget

2673
02:12:56,735 --> 02:12:58,675
for the expenses the city would be responsible for.

2674
02:12:59,895 --> 02:13:02,315
Second Councillor Blum.

2675
02:13:02,935 --> 02:13:05,195
Yes. I'm making this amendment to the motion

2676
02:13:05,195 --> 02:13:07,675
because these are quite literally

2677
02:13:07,675 --> 02:13:09,875
what the original ad hoc committee put in

2678
02:13:09,875 --> 02:13:11,035
their recommendations.

2679
02:13:11,295 --> 02:13:13,355
And I think that if this does go forward,

2680
02:13:14,085 --> 02:13:16,315
which I do not support at this time, I think

2681
02:13:16,315 --> 02:13:19,155
that it's important that we formalize those recommendations

2682
02:13:19,175 --> 02:13:21,395
and make sure that they're carried out on behalf

2683
02:13:21,395 --> 02:13:22,475
of the ad hoc committee and the

2684
02:13:22,475 --> 02:13:23,595
hard work that they put into this.

2685
02:13:24,365 --> 02:13:25,395
Councillor Duque.

2686
02:13:26,165 --> 02:13:30,555
Thank you. I would like to ditto what my colleague said.

2687
02:13:31,465 --> 02:13:34,645
The ad hoc committee took six months out of their life

2688
02:13:35,265 --> 02:13:36,885
and hours out of their life

2689
02:13:36,945 --> 02:13:40,725
and away from their family to spend good time collaborating

2690
02:13:41,475 --> 02:13:44,845
with everyone housed and unhoused

2691
02:13:44,905 --> 02:13:48,365
and business owners to put together

2692
02:13:49,005 --> 02:13:52,765
a consensus, a common ground that we could all live

2693
02:13:52,765 --> 02:13:53,885
with and live together.

2694
02:13:54,745 --> 02:13:58,125
So I wanna make sure that our community is heard

2695
02:13:58,185 --> 02:13:59,445
and thank them for their work

2696
02:13:59,585 --> 02:14:01,685
and do it the right way the first time.

2697
02:14:02,905 --> 02:14:05,325
Is there any discussion on the motion? Councilor Dale

2698
02:14:05,625 --> 02:14:06,625
On the amendment?

2699
02:14:06,625 --> 02:14:08,165
Mayor on the amendment? Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

2700
02:14:08,185 --> 02:14:10,045
And thank you Councilor Blum.

2701
02:14:10,165 --> 02:14:12,565
I I was sitting here thinking as you were reading

2702
02:14:12,565 --> 02:14:13,885
and I was f following it along.

2703
02:14:15,035 --> 02:14:17,725
Yeah. This is something I I still struggle the fact despite

2704
02:14:17,725 --> 02:14:20,245
the absolute best efforts of staff and Scott, especially you

2705
02:14:20,245 --> 02:14:21,325
and your team, you've

2706
02:14:21,325 --> 02:14:22,405
done exactly what we've asked you to do.

2707
02:14:24,265 --> 02:14:28,245
And, but I still, I still see this, I I still struggle

2708
02:14:28,275 --> 02:14:30,405
with the kind of lack of a vision and that's on us.

2709
02:14:30,825 --> 02:14:34,125
And we're, again, we're trying to just come up with,

2710
02:14:34,435 --> 02:14:37,325
with ideas that just seem to be happening in real time.

2711
02:14:37,385 --> 02:14:40,405
So any sense of metrics or KPIs or

2712
02:14:40,405 --> 02:14:44,365
otherwise performance measurements is, I I think

2713
02:14:44,965 --> 02:14:46,645
absolutely just fundamental to this,

2714
02:14:46,705 --> 02:14:48,005
to the success of this project.

2715
02:14:49,855 --> 02:14:51,005
Councillor Hansen.

2716
02:14:53,015 --> 02:14:54,805
Thank you. I mean, yeah, that is exactly

2717
02:14:55,385 --> 02:14:59,245
the original ad hocs verbiage off

2718
02:14:59,245 --> 02:15:01,365
of the document that came back to us.

2719
02:15:02,465 --> 02:15:06,005
I'm a little concerned with the amendment only in practice

2720
02:15:06,315 --> 02:15:08,525
that this body isn't always here

2721
02:15:10,385 --> 02:15:13,685
in an emergency like the city managers

2722
02:15:13,685 --> 02:15:15,445
here in an emergency.

2723
02:15:15,905 --> 02:15:19,965
So I would just suggest that I,

2724
02:15:21,315 --> 02:15:25,965
that we amend the amendment to council

2725
02:15:26,625 --> 02:15:29,245
or city manager or deputy manager.

2726
02:15:29,645 --> 02:15:32,125
I think I'm, I think that's a great amendment,

2727
02:15:32,545 --> 02:15:34,045
but I'm concerned that

2728
02:15:34,775 --> 02:15:36,485
we're gonna get hung up on city council

2729
02:15:36,505 --> 02:15:38,685
if we ever need to pull that lever. Speak

2730
02:15:38,685 --> 02:15:40,005
To that. Yes, you can.

2731
02:15:40,195 --> 02:15:41,645
Yeah, just, just to address that.

2732
02:15:41,665 --> 02:15:43,045
So specifically I said, you know,

2733
02:15:43,045 --> 02:15:44,805
with the shower laundry trailer in the event

2734
02:15:44,805 --> 02:15:46,645
of an emergency, that the city manager still

2735
02:15:46,645 --> 02:15:47,925
retains that authority to do that.

2736
02:15:48,445 --> 02:15:49,885
I, I understand the other concerns.

2737
02:15:49,925 --> 02:15:52,365
I don't see how they relate to an emergency.

2738
02:15:52,365 --> 02:15:53,445
So I don't see a situation

2739
02:15:53,445 --> 02:15:55,645
where picking a service advisor would be under an

2740
02:15:55,645 --> 02:15:57,685
emergency situation. So that's

2741
02:15:57,985 --> 02:15:59,765
No, no, I, that's, That's all I'm thinking.

2742
02:15:59,945 --> 02:16:01,325
Go ahead. Yeah, I appreciate the

2743
02:16:01,325 --> 02:16:02,605
clarification 'cause you read it really

2744
02:16:02,605 --> 02:16:04,045
fast. Okay. Okay, great.

2745
02:16:04,305 --> 02:16:05,525
And we'll read it again slower

2746
02:16:05,585 --> 02:16:08,325
before we vote. Councillor Kaplan.

2747
02:16:08,325 --> 02:16:10,925
Thank you. Yeah. In addition to reading it again, I'd like

2748
02:16:10,925 --> 02:16:13,805
to see, now I have the, the master plan open

2749
02:16:13,825 --> 02:16:16,405
and I, I I don't see the specific language.

2750
02:16:16,405 --> 02:16:19,805
You said you, it was literally council boom said

2751
02:16:19,805 --> 02:16:23,605
that it was literally from the ad hoc ma master plan.

2752
02:16:23,635 --> 02:16:25,485
Just don't see it. So if you, when you read it again,

2753
02:16:25,585 --> 02:16:27,925
if you could direct us to that space so I can follow along.

2754
02:16:28,515 --> 02:16:30,765
Yeah, I, I can't direct you to the exact document.

2755
02:16:30,795 --> 02:16:33,645
This is from literally members of the ad hoc committee.

2756
02:16:33,905 --> 02:16:37,245
And, and just from memory, I remember we clearly discussed

2757
02:16:37,245 --> 02:16:38,925
that there would be no congregate shelter,

2758
02:16:39,195 --> 02:16:41,165
that there would be no outdoor shower trailers,

2759
02:16:41,805 --> 02:16:43,525
that the facility would be upkept,

2760
02:16:43,885 --> 02:16:45,165
including the weed abatement.

2761
02:16:45,485 --> 02:16:49,205
I mean, those were all very, very clearly defined from the

2762
02:16:49,225 --> 02:16:51,365
ad hoc committee in order for us to go forward.

2763
02:16:51,795 --> 02:16:53,005
Okay. Are there, is there any other

2764
02:16:53,005 --> 02:16:54,325
discussion on the amendment?

2765
02:16:56,545 --> 02:16:57,685
May I have a point of order?

2766
02:16:57,715 --> 02:16:59,765
Just because I'm trying to, in my brain

2767
02:17:01,225 --> 02:17:03,125
and there's a lot of things that were just said,

2768
02:17:03,265 --> 02:17:06,405
but practically attach this to a, the role

2769
02:17:06,425 --> 02:17:07,885
as a contract approval board.

2770
02:17:08,465 --> 02:17:11,125
So I totally see that your point.

2771
02:17:11,345 --> 02:17:13,325
And I think that's a great direction to give staff.

2772
02:17:14,325 --> 02:17:16,565
Tying it to approval of a contract.

2773
02:17:16,785 --> 02:17:20,405
In my mind there's that the two motions are unrelated.

2774
02:17:22,705 --> 02:17:27,435
It, this is, it's very

2775
02:17:27,435 --> 02:17:30,755
sticky and it's, it's tough

2776
02:17:30,775 --> 02:17:32,155
for me to even follow at the moment.

2777
02:17:32,255 --> 02:17:36,795
And so I'm, I'm just throwing that out there that it,

2778
02:17:36,825 --> 02:17:40,355
it's creating some confusion as

2779
02:17:40,355 --> 02:17:42,515
to the role in the specific issues that are happening.

2780
02:17:42,515 --> 02:17:45,075
And I totally, I understand the perspective

2781
02:17:45,135 --> 02:17:48,035
and I understand the con you know, concerns

2782
02:17:48,035 --> 02:17:50,755
and I support that, not that it's my place, but,

2783
02:17:51,335 --> 02:17:54,515
but I'm just practically speaking as a,

2784
02:17:54,615 --> 02:17:58,135
as the parliamentary, you know, weighing in here.

2785
02:17:58,335 --> 02:18:00,335
I think that there, there are some issues

2786
02:18:00,335 --> 02:18:02,095
with the way this is getting structured. Can

2787
02:18:02,095 --> 02:18:03,695
I speak to that And what not yet.

2788
02:18:03,885 --> 02:18:08,775
What would be the, your recommended path forward?

2789
02:18:11,535 --> 02:18:13,375
I think a voting on the contract motion

2790
02:18:13,915 --> 02:18:16,815
and then a separate motion directing staff

2791
02:18:16,875 --> 02:18:18,655
and getting the supportive counsel to

2792
02:18:19,915 --> 02:18:22,695
put those things in place as such as like

2793
02:18:22,695 --> 02:18:24,735
with any other motion that would take more than two hours

2794
02:18:24,735 --> 02:18:27,095
of staff time, if that just,

2795
02:18:27,475 --> 02:18:31,055
And is there a particular order that is required to go in?

2796
02:18:31,465 --> 02:18:33,295
Might the council take up this?

2797
02:18:33,605 --> 02:18:36,775
What is the structural elements of this amendment prior to

2798
02:18:37,795 --> 02:18:39,655
the, the vote on the,

2799
02:18:39,925 --> 02:18:41,175
Well now you have to vote on the

2800
02:18:41,175 --> 02:18:42,415
amendment and then on the,

2801
02:18:42,735 --> 02:18:44,575
Well no, they can also be, we can,

2802
02:18:44,595 --> 02:18:45,695
we can unwrap all of this.

2803
02:18:45,695 --> 02:18:49,135
Yeah. So so what would your preference is

2804
02:18:49,135 --> 02:18:50,255
there, is there a prohibition?

2805
02:18:50,255 --> 02:18:52,015
Oh, okay. First question goes first on which one goes first?

2806
02:18:52,155 --> 02:18:53,535
No. Okay. Alright. Thank you.

2807
02:18:54,275 --> 02:18:57,855
So we have a, a structural question here.

2808
02:18:58,675 --> 02:19:01,055
And under the advice of our parliamentarian,

2809
02:19:01,155 --> 02:19:03,015
it would make sense to split this motion.

2810
02:19:03,955 --> 02:19:06,815
And so I will put it to the, the

2811
02:19:07,525 --> 02:19:09,015
amendment maker.

2812
02:19:09,915 --> 02:19:11,535
So what you would like to do,

2813
02:19:12,085 --> 02:19:13,135
Make that a title for me.

2814
02:19:13,165 --> 02:19:17,575
Geez. I personally, I I think that this amendment is,

2815
02:19:17,795 --> 02:19:19,455
is legitimate in this situation.

2816
02:19:19,475 --> 02:19:21,815
It is germane to the topic that we're discussing

2817
02:19:22,075 --> 02:19:24,215
and it involves adding staff direction.

2818
02:19:24,215 --> 02:19:25,655
So the main motion goes forward

2819
02:19:25,995 --> 02:19:27,605
to approve the contract in this case

2820
02:19:27,605 --> 02:19:28,885
that Councillor Hanson made.

2821
02:19:28,985 --> 02:19:32,365
And this is simply an amendment giving staff direction to

2822
02:19:33,265 --> 02:19:34,565
do these particular things

2823
02:19:34,785 --> 02:19:36,285
as the building becomes operational.

2824
02:19:36,665 --> 02:19:39,565
But, and I'm happy to, if it's easier for everybody

2825
02:19:39,585 --> 02:19:42,565
to withdraw this and for us to make a separate motion.

2826
02:19:43,825 --> 02:19:45,725
But I would like to see, I would like

2827
02:19:45,725 --> 02:19:48,725
to see my motion on these items to go

2828
02:19:48,725 --> 02:19:49,845
before the contract approval.

2829
02:19:51,865 --> 02:19:54,765
So you're willing to withdraw your motion.

2830
02:19:56,545 --> 02:20:01,365
It would come back then to the primary motion maker in terms

2831
02:20:01,365 --> 02:20:05,285
of would you be willing to withdraw your motion so

2832
02:20:05,285 --> 02:20:07,445
that this amendment could go first?

2833
02:20:09,155 --> 02:20:11,805
Sure. Okay. So let's go ahead and go through that

2834
02:20:11,805 --> 02:20:12,805
Process.

2835
02:20:12,805 --> 02:20:13,005
I withdraw the motion.

2836
02:20:13,775 --> 02:20:15,005
Thank you Councillor Hansen.

2837
02:20:15,065 --> 02:20:16,965
And go ahead and formally withdraw your amendment.

2838
02:20:17,105 --> 02:20:19,085
And I formally withdraw my amendment. Okay.

2839
02:20:19,085 --> 02:20:21,685
The floor is open for a motion. Councillor boom.

2840
02:20:22,285 --> 02:20:26,405
I move to direct staff to do the following

2841
02:20:26,465 --> 02:20:30,165
before the building becomes operational that no shower

2842
02:20:30,345 --> 02:20:32,285
or laundry trailer will be allowed

2843
02:20:32,385 --> 02:20:34,965
unless in the event of a citywide emergency

2844
02:20:35,595 --> 02:20:38,245
that there will be no camping or outdoor lodging

2845
02:20:38,425 --> 02:20:41,365
unless with the express permission of the city council

2846
02:20:42,155 --> 02:20:44,125
that the selection of service providers

2847
02:20:44,125 --> 02:20:46,365
for the building must be approved by council.

2848
02:20:47,035 --> 02:20:50,165
That all access to services will be by appointment only.

2849
02:20:50,875 --> 02:20:52,365
That property should be fenced

2850
02:20:52,365 --> 02:20:54,405
and well-maintained with additional trees.

2851
02:20:54,635 --> 02:20:57,325
Fire safe landscaping, continuous weed abatement

2852
02:20:57,465 --> 02:21:00,805
and routine maintenance to keep the site visually in line

2853
02:21:00,835 --> 02:21:02,165
with other city facilities.

2854
02:21:02,825 --> 02:21:04,605
And that before the building is operational,

2855
02:21:04,775 --> 02:21:07,205
there is a clear operational budget

2856
02:21:07,465 --> 02:21:09,965
for the expenses the city would be responsible for.

2857
02:21:10,705 --> 02:21:13,005
Second. Okay. Councilor,

2858
02:21:13,005 --> 02:21:14,245
Boom. I've already spoken to this

2859
02:21:14,275 --> 02:21:16,325
Councilor, Duane, I already spoken.

2860
02:21:16,345 --> 02:21:19,045
Is there any further discussion on the motion? Can I get a

2861
02:21:19,045 --> 02:21:20,085
Point of clarification on the motion?

2862
02:21:20,115 --> 02:21:21,685
Sure. So appointment only

2863
02:21:21,745 --> 02:21:24,405
and operational budget that is not pertaining

2864
02:21:24,405 --> 02:21:25,405
to the severe weather shelter,

2865
02:21:25,545 --> 02:21:27,125
but the other side of the building, is that correct?

2866
02:21:27,755 --> 02:21:28,845
That is correct, yeah.

2867
02:21:29,425 --> 02:21:32,285
Access to services will be by appoint appointment only.

2868
02:21:32,605 --> 02:21:34,125
I don't see the weather shelter as a service.

2869
02:21:34,675 --> 02:21:37,645
Service provided. It's part of what we do.

2870
02:21:38,015 --> 02:21:39,125
Councillor Hanson

2871
02:21:40,385 --> 02:21:42,725
And thank you for reading that again.

2872
02:21:42,905 --> 02:21:46,325
And the, the pace helped me,

2873
02:21:46,345 --> 02:21:48,685
but I caught something in there that still concerns me.

2874
02:21:48,685 --> 02:21:50,205
That's camping again.

2875
02:21:50,655 --> 02:21:53,805
State of emergency, I think, you know, city manager

2876
02:21:53,945 --> 02:21:57,125
and city council, what are we talking camping?

2877
02:21:57,125 --> 02:21:59,445
Are firefighters camping? They might be camping.

2878
02:21:59,845 --> 02:22:01,245
I just don't want, I I don't hate

2879
02:22:01,245 --> 02:22:03,645
to get stuck in the weeds here, but I just, I don't think

2880
02:22:03,645 --> 02:22:06,245
that city council needs to have that ultimate control.

2881
02:22:06,325 --> 02:22:08,205
I think city managers should share

2882
02:22:08,205 --> 02:22:10,125
That and they do under an emergency declaration.

2883
02:22:12,155 --> 02:22:15,885
Council Kaplan? Yeah, I, I guess I, I'm cur I'm,

2884
02:22:17,265 --> 02:22:20,885
I'm not sure why this is necessary given that we, the,

2885
02:22:20,885 --> 02:22:22,245
this council already approved

2886
02:22:22,585 --> 02:22:25,205
and I did follow along now in the prohibited uses and,

2887
02:22:25,745 --> 02:22:28,765
and they do track fairly closely with the prohibited uses.

2888
02:22:28,765 --> 02:22:31,245
The wording is not exact. In fact the ED

2889
02:22:31,245 --> 02:22:32,365
use is drop in services.

2890
02:22:32,755 --> 02:22:35,925
It's not a, an affirmative requirement for an appointment.

2891
02:22:35,925 --> 02:22:38,365
It's a prohibition prohibition against drop in services.

2892
02:22:38,665 --> 02:22:40,405
But in any case, the ad hoc committee,

2893
02:22:40,505 --> 02:22:43,485
ma the master plan was approved by this council.

2894
02:22:43,705 --> 02:22:46,405
It is in force. I'm not sure why we need an additional

2895
02:22:46,405 --> 02:22:47,885
direction to staff along the,

2896
02:22:47,885 --> 02:22:49,725
to repeating the very much the same things.

2897
02:22:50,345 --> 02:22:51,645
Can I, would you like me to answer that?

2898
02:22:52,955 --> 02:22:55,125
Sure. I think that it's important that we ensure

2899
02:22:55,125 --> 02:22:57,845
that we hold everybody accountable to what was agreed on.

2900
02:22:57,985 --> 02:23:00,485
And formal line as an motion as we've all discussed

2901
02:23:00,485 --> 02:23:04,125
before, is seems to be the path forward that works best.

2902
02:23:04,755 --> 02:23:06,965
Okay, we're going to continue to move this forward.

2903
02:23:07,075 --> 02:23:09,765
It's 8 23 and we have other business to carry on.

2904
02:23:09,945 --> 02:23:12,405
Is there any other discussion about this motion?

2905
02:23:15,355 --> 02:23:16,355
Roll call please. Alyssa

2906
02:23:18,635 --> 02:23:19,635
Sherell.

2907
02:23:19,635 --> 02:23:21,725
Yes. Dale? Yes.

2908
02:23:22,175 --> 02:23:25,245
Bloom? Yes. Kaplan? No. Duque?

2909
02:23:25,945 --> 02:23:27,125
Yes. Hansen,

2910
02:23:27,785 --> 02:23:29,965
No Pass.

2911
02:23:30,225 --> 02:23:32,805
So the floor is open for a motion regarding the contract.

2912
02:23:32,805 --> 02:23:33,805
Councillor Hansen.

2913
02:23:35,125 --> 02:23:36,605
I move to approve the contract amendment

2914
02:23:36,605 --> 02:23:38,165
with Outlier Construction Company

2915
02:23:38,265 --> 02:23:40,405
for the emergency shelter upgrade project,

2916
02:23:40,405 --> 02:23:41,805
including alternates one

2917
02:23:41,805 --> 02:23:42,885
and two in an amount not

2918
02:23:42,885 --> 02:23:46,925
to exceed $947,936.

2919
02:23:47,535 --> 02:23:49,285
There a second. Second.

2920
02:23:49,655 --> 02:23:50,725
Councillor Hansen.

2921
02:23:51,255 --> 02:23:52,685
Again, thank you Staff.

2922
02:23:53,405 --> 02:23:55,845
I want this to be the most flexible as possible

2923
02:23:56,945 --> 02:24:01,445
and just I agree with Councilor Kaplan on the amendment.

2924
02:24:01,655 --> 02:24:02,845
We've already agreed to this,

2925
02:24:03,065 --> 02:24:05,325
so I I appreciate what's trying to be done here,

2926
02:24:05,345 --> 02:24:06,725
but that's why I voted no on that

2927
02:24:07,705 --> 02:24:10,445
and I support this amendment

2928
02:24:10,545 --> 02:24:14,965
or this motion with both of the alternates and thank you

2929
02:24:16,695 --> 02:24:17,765
Councillor Sherell.

2930
02:24:18,465 --> 02:24:21,765
Is there any further discussion? Yes. Councillor Bloom.

2931
02:24:22,945 --> 02:24:26,285
Yes. I put in the time to review the plans.

2932
02:24:26,515 --> 02:24:28,245
I've read the master plan recommendations

2933
02:24:28,345 --> 02:24:29,645
and considered this design,

2934
02:24:30,185 --> 02:24:32,565
but I've also asked myself whether the fundamental questions

2935
02:24:32,565 --> 02:24:33,565
have really been answered.

2936
02:24:33,905 --> 02:24:35,565
And for me the answer is no.

2937
02:24:36,405 --> 02:24:39,005
I don't believe we should invest nearly a million dollars in

2938
02:24:39,005 --> 02:24:41,285
renovations without knowing what it will cost

2939
02:24:41,305 --> 02:24:43,085
to run this facility or

2940
02:24:43,265 --> 02:24:44,965
who will be responsible for doing so.

2941
02:24:45,725 --> 02:24:47,885
I don't believe we should continue building out a site

2942
02:24:47,885 --> 02:24:49,405
that still raises neighborhood concerns,

2943
02:24:49,695 --> 02:24:52,205
still suffers from basic infrastructure limitations

2944
02:24:52,545 --> 02:24:54,765
and still risk being pushed into a direction

2945
02:24:54,765 --> 02:24:55,965
this council didn't intend.

2946
02:24:56,625 --> 02:24:58,165
At some point we have to stop

2947
02:24:58,165 --> 02:25:01,525
and ask whether the best way to fulfill our obligations is

2948
02:25:01,525 --> 02:25:03,605
by doubling down or stepping back.

2949
02:25:04,795 --> 02:25:06,245
This is nearly a million dollars

2950
02:25:06,315 --> 02:25:08,325
that could be spent in a lot wiser ways.

2951
02:25:08,945 --> 02:25:11,685
We could spend a lot of money that we have budgeted

2952
02:25:11,805 --> 02:25:13,845
for homelessness services that could be stretched throughout

2953
02:25:13,845 --> 02:25:15,885
this community and serve maximum purpose.

2954
02:25:17,185 --> 02:25:18,685
Or we could go forward with this

2955
02:25:19,465 --> 02:25:21,725
and ask ourselves if it fits into Ashland's long term

2956
02:25:22,085 --> 02:25:24,925
strategy or if we are simply just trying

2957
02:25:24,925 --> 02:25:26,325
to repair mistakes of the past.

2958
02:25:26,745 --> 02:25:28,485
And it is simply a vanity project.

2959
02:25:33,465 --> 02:25:36,685
So I have been on the council for,

2960
02:25:36,685 --> 02:25:38,045
this is my seventh year now.

2961
02:25:39,265 --> 02:25:42,005
And even from the very beginning we had some serious

2962
02:25:42,005 --> 02:25:45,325
conversations about the needs of our unhoused people.

2963
02:25:46,025 --> 02:25:47,885
And one of the immediate needs was

2964
02:25:47,885 --> 02:25:50,125
that we needed a severe weather shelter

2965
02:25:50,635 --> 02:25:53,765
because at that point they were bouncing from church

2966
02:25:54,045 --> 02:25:55,045
basement to church basement.

2967
02:25:55,705 --> 02:25:57,045
And our,

2968
02:25:57,225 --> 02:25:59,845
our community partners in the churches were having more

2969
02:25:59,925 --> 02:26:01,845
and more difficulty being able

2970
02:26:01,845 --> 02:26:03,965
to maintain their part in that partnership.

2971
02:26:04,225 --> 02:26:08,085
And we were at very serious risk of people dying

2972
02:26:08,225 --> 02:26:10,165
during these severe weather events.

2973
02:26:10,265 --> 02:26:11,645
And every time they came about,

2974
02:26:12,225 --> 02:26:13,605
our community had to scramble.

2975
02:26:14,905 --> 02:26:17,165
We also know that we are facing a crisis

2976
02:26:17,715 --> 02:26:19,525
that is very much a housing crisis.

2977
02:26:19,795 --> 02:26:22,685
It's a mental health crisis, it's an addiction crisis.

2978
02:26:23,585 --> 02:26:27,045
All of those things call on us to provide a certain type

2979
02:26:27,105 --> 02:26:29,725
of service to our unhoused people.

2980
02:26:30,265 --> 02:26:32,045
And that involves wraparound services.

2981
02:26:32,145 --> 02:26:33,885
That's why we have been partnering

2982
02:26:33,885 --> 02:26:35,565
with other service providers.

2983
02:26:35,625 --> 02:26:40,205
The city is not necessarily a service provider in this way.

2984
02:26:40,265 --> 02:26:42,645
We need to get this work done through partnerships.

2985
02:26:43,665 --> 02:26:47,325
One of the things that i I I notice in the work

2986
02:26:47,325 --> 02:26:48,485
of local government is

2987
02:26:48,485 --> 02:26:51,645
that it is very often an imperfect process.

2988
02:26:52,865 --> 02:26:56,605
We would have loved to have had a master plan in place,

2989
02:26:57,545 --> 02:27:00,325
but our county refused the money that would've allowed us

2990
02:27:00,325 --> 02:27:01,605
to build that master plan.

2991
02:27:02,185 --> 02:27:05,125
So when the state came through with one time only money,

2992
02:27:05,425 --> 02:27:07,605
and it was clearly signaled that they were paying

2993
02:27:07,625 --> 02:27:09,045
for infrastructure this year

2994
02:27:09,045 --> 02:27:13,485
and then they were moving on to to housing services next,

2995
02:27:14,705 --> 02:27:18,085
we understood that there was a single opportunity

2996
02:27:18,225 --> 02:27:20,845
to move even though we didn't have the exact plan

2997
02:27:20,845 --> 02:27:21,925
laid out that we wanted.

2998
02:27:22,825 --> 02:27:24,485
And we took what I think,

2999
02:27:24,505 --> 02:27:27,965
and I still think was a very important step.

3000
02:27:28,425 --> 02:27:30,285
We got funding from the state,

3001
02:27:30,735 --> 02:27:33,805
we've got funding from grants, we've put some

3002
02:27:33,805 --> 02:27:35,885
of our own into this process so

3003
02:27:35,885 --> 02:27:37,325
that we could buy a property.

3004
02:27:38,305 --> 02:27:40,965
Was it, did it move faster than we wanted? Absolutely.

3005
02:27:41,395 --> 02:27:44,365
Were we pressed by grant deadlines to do things in a way

3006
02:27:44,365 --> 02:27:46,325
that wouldn't be the way we would love to do them?

3007
02:27:46,765 --> 02:27:47,845
Absolutely. Those things are all true.

3008
02:27:48,665 --> 02:27:51,605
But we now have possession of a piece of property

3009
02:27:51,915 --> 02:27:54,285
that we have continued to move forward with

3010
02:27:54,425 --> 02:27:56,525
and now with the design I see up here

3011
02:27:57,265 --> 02:28:00,965
is really well positioned to do what we have known as needed

3012
02:28:00,965 --> 02:28:02,445
to be done for a good long time.

3013
02:28:02,985 --> 02:28:05,605
It also gives us the potential to have

3014
02:28:06,135 --> 02:28:10,245
additional emergency services provision in the event

3015
02:28:10,245 --> 02:28:12,525
of a major disaster earthquake fire.

3016
02:28:13,265 --> 02:28:17,125
And it also allows us to have some land

3017
02:28:17,265 --> 02:28:19,885
to work on transitional and workforce housing.

3018
02:28:20,545 --> 02:28:24,045
So yes, the pro the, the pathway here has not been perfect.

3019
02:28:24,185 --> 02:28:25,325
It has had its bumps,

3020
02:28:25,625 --> 02:28:27,645
but I think staff has done a tremendous job

3021
02:28:27,745 --> 02:28:28,805
of bringing us back

3022
02:28:28,835 --> 02:28:32,205
what our first ad hoc committee said they wanted us to,

3023
02:28:32,305 --> 02:28:34,285
to do and what this council agreed to do.

3024
02:28:34,625 --> 02:28:35,805
So it's my hope this evening

3025
02:28:35,805 --> 02:28:38,605
that this council will approve this contract

3026
02:28:38,785 --> 02:28:40,805
and allow this work to get started so

3027
02:28:40,805 --> 02:28:42,765
that we can have our shelter in place

3028
02:28:43,185 --> 02:28:47,085
and have that process moving with our local partners by the,

3029
02:28:47,305 --> 02:28:48,965
by the late fall here by November.

3030
02:28:49,825 --> 02:28:53,325
Is there any further discussion? Councillor du King.

3031
02:28:54,455 --> 02:28:58,085
Thank you. I would, I appreciate

3032
02:28:58,285 --> 02:29:00,445
what Councilor Bloom brought forward

3033
02:29:00,985 --> 02:29:05,125
and This is my second

3034
02:29:05,195 --> 02:29:06,205
term on council.

3035
02:29:06,385 --> 02:29:10,565
And I remember when I got here, one

3036
02:29:10,565 --> 02:29:14,565
of my hopes was that we could have a weather shelter

3037
02:29:15,755 --> 02:29:18,125
because I too witnessed

3038
02:29:19,285 --> 02:29:22,725
everyone scrambling in the community to find some place

3039
02:29:22,825 --> 02:29:26,125
to house people when it was freezing outside.

3040
02:29:27,105 --> 02:29:30,045
And winter comes every year just like Christmas.

3041
02:29:30,265 --> 02:29:33,005
But you would act as it was as if we didn't know that.

3042
02:29:34,185 --> 02:29:38,565
So did we get here on a rocky road?

3043
02:29:38,785 --> 02:29:43,045
Yes we did. Are we ever gonna do this again? No.

3044
02:29:44,155 --> 02:29:45,885
However we're here

3045
02:29:46,745 --> 02:29:48,445
and what we have in front of us,

3046
02:29:49,205 --> 02:29:50,565
I wanna make the most of it.

3047
02:29:50,945 --> 02:29:53,165
And it was mentioned

3048
02:29:53,165 --> 02:29:55,445
that this council might not be here forever.

3049
02:29:55,675 --> 02:29:58,805
However, while I'm here, I'm gonna hold people accountable

3050
02:29:59,305 --> 02:30:03,525
to make sure that this is operated in the best possible way

3051
02:30:03,945 --> 02:30:05,565
for the citizens of Ashlyn.

3052
02:30:08,515 --> 02:30:11,055
Any further discussion? Roll call please. Alyssa

3053
02:30:14,095 --> 02:30:15,095
Hanson?

3054
02:30:15,095 --> 02:30:16,575
Yes. Duquesne?

3055
02:30:17,475 --> 02:30:20,855
Yes. Kaplan? Yes. Bloom? No.

3056
02:30:22,255 --> 02:30:26,415
Dale, no re Yes. Motion passed.

3057
02:30:27,025 --> 02:30:28,375
Thank you. Thank you. Staff.

3058
02:30:29,555 --> 02:30:31,975
We have been here for a solid two

3059
02:30:31,975 --> 02:30:33,735
and a half hours, so we're gonna take a short break.

3060
02:30:33,735 --> 02:30:38,375
Counselors, please be back in your seats at 8 37

3061
02:30:38,555 --> 02:30:40,255
by the clock to my right

3062
02:38:35,225 --> 02:38:35,785
reconvening.

3063
02:38:37,625 --> 02:38:38,985
I call this meeting back to order

3064
02:38:45,435 --> 02:38:46,105
Counselors.

3065
02:38:46,445 --> 02:38:50,545
We are back in session. We are now.

3066
02:38:53,565 --> 02:38:55,865
We are now to new business.

3067
02:38:55,925 --> 02:38:59,665
The 2025 Ashland Community Wildfire Protection Plan. So

3068
02:38:59,665 --> 02:39:01,545
Mayor and council, Chris Chambers is here tonight

3069
02:39:02,205 --> 02:39:03,665
to answer any additional questions.

3070
02:39:03,685 --> 02:39:05,185
You may remember. We went over this

3071
02:39:05,185 --> 02:39:06,905
during a study session in July.

3072
02:39:07,405 --> 02:39:11,225
So this is the year long process that resulted Okay.

3073
02:39:11,245 --> 02:39:12,465
Two year long process.

3074
02:39:12,675 --> 02:39:14,665
Sorry, I rounded down inappropriately

3075
02:39:15,305 --> 02:39:17,065
that resulted in this updated

3076
02:39:17,375 --> 02:39:19,305
community wildfire protection plan.

3077
02:39:20,005 --> 02:39:23,305
So if you have any questions, Chris is here to answer those.

3078
02:39:23,325 --> 02:39:25,745
But we are here for the adoption of this plan tonight.

3079
02:39:26,955 --> 02:39:30,305
Councillor Bloom. Thank you. Thank you for being here.

3080
02:39:30,465 --> 02:39:32,545
I know we went over this at length

3081
02:39:32,605 --> 02:39:35,625
and so I appreciated not having

3082
02:39:35,645 --> 02:39:37,825
to spend too much time this weekend on it since

3083
02:39:37,825 --> 02:39:38,905
we didn't previously.

3084
02:39:39,045 --> 02:39:40,745
And really just looking at some of those changes,

3085
02:39:40,745 --> 02:39:42,305
which I appreciate you incorporating.

3086
02:39:43,895 --> 02:39:45,025
It's kind of a two part question.

3087
02:39:45,025 --> 02:39:46,585
I'm gonna try not to laugh asking it,

3088
02:39:46,865 --> 02:39:49,425
but this plan doesn't include logging 10,000 acres

3089
02:39:49,625 --> 02:39:51,705
of pristine, rare old growth forest. Does it?

3090
02:39:51,885 --> 02:39:53,425
It does Not. I didn't think so.

3091
02:39:53,595 --> 02:39:56,145
Would you care to take the opportunity to respond to some

3092
02:39:56,145 --> 02:39:58,185
of these just kind of blatant falsehoods

3093
02:39:58,185 --> 02:39:59,785
that are being put out in the community By some,

3094
02:40:00,725 --> 02:40:02,265
I'm not gonna spend a lot of time on it.

3095
02:40:03,195 --> 02:40:06,385
Given our history of very responsible forward thinking

3096
02:40:06,445 --> 02:40:10,585
and ecologically informed fuels reduction in the watershed,

3097
02:40:10,705 --> 02:40:12,825
I think our track record speaks for itself.

3098
02:40:13,315 --> 02:40:16,365
This plan does not change any of that direction

3099
02:40:16,545 --> 02:40:19,805
that's been approved by council and the previous CWPP nor

3100
02:40:19,805 --> 02:40:23,325
and the Ashland Forest Plan that was approved in 2016

3101
02:40:23,385 --> 02:40:24,965
and will be updated in the coming year.

3102
02:40:25,745 --> 02:40:28,565
The city remains definitely committed

3103
02:40:28,705 --> 02:40:31,725
to the ecological integrity of our watershed.

3104
02:40:32,255 --> 02:40:35,285
We've learned a lot over the last 20 years in forest

3105
02:40:35,335 --> 02:40:37,045
management and

3106
02:40:37,155 --> 02:40:40,525
that it would not include clear cutting in our watershed

3107
02:40:40,745 --> 02:40:44,085
nor would it even be legal in the federal lands

3108
02:40:44,735 --> 02:40:46,405
above us in the Ashland Creek watershed,

3109
02:40:46,405 --> 02:40:48,485
which is designated a late successional reserve.

3110
02:40:48,505 --> 02:40:51,725
So it's not even a possibility that's on the table

3111
02:40:52,825 --> 02:40:55,045
and as part of this plan or any other plan.

3112
02:40:56,655 --> 02:40:58,125
Thank you so much. You're Welcome.

3113
02:40:58,125 --> 02:41:00,725
Council captain. Yeah, thanks.

3114
02:41:02,565 --> 02:41:04,965
I I wanna take up this, this same point in just a second,

3115
02:41:05,025 --> 02:41:06,725
but before we do that, I wanna thank you

3116
02:41:06,865 --> 02:41:08,285
for the memo that you prepared.

3117
02:41:08,605 --> 02:41:09,925
'cause when you presented this to us

3118
02:41:09,925 --> 02:41:11,605
before in, as in the study session,

3119
02:41:12,165 --> 02:41:14,285
I asked very specifically for what is it

3120
02:41:14,285 --> 02:41:15,565
that only the city can do?

3121
02:41:16,165 --> 02:41:17,365
Yes. And, and I

3122
02:41:17,385 --> 02:41:19,725
and you came up back with a, you know, a three page memo,

3123
02:41:19,795 --> 02:41:22,965
very explicit, very explicit description of

3124
02:41:22,965 --> 02:41:24,325
what things the only the city can do.

3125
02:41:25,485 --> 02:41:27,645
I also had asked at that point for those things

3126
02:41:27,645 --> 02:41:30,285
that the city should do in order to ensure

3127
02:41:30,285 --> 02:41:32,245
that community partners can be successful.

3128
02:41:32,625 --> 02:41:34,885
And it's a little less clear in there,

3129
02:41:34,945 --> 02:41:36,525
but there's a little bit of that in there.

3130
02:41:36,545 --> 02:41:37,605
And I think you've, you,

3131
02:41:37,605 --> 02:41:38,925
you've, you've hit on some of those things.

3132
02:41:39,145 --> 02:41:42,445
So, but I'll, I'll be pressing on that more as we go along.

3133
02:41:42,605 --> 02:41:44,325
'cause I know that this is just the overall plan.

3134
02:41:44,595 --> 02:41:46,405
There's gonna be individual initiatives

3135
02:41:46,405 --> 02:41:47,685
and we're gonna see some of those again.

3136
02:41:47,685 --> 02:41:51,405
And I'm gonna continue to, to try to work with you to see

3137
02:41:51,515 --> 02:41:53,085
what is it that the city can really do

3138
02:41:53,085 --> 02:41:54,645
to make others effective in doing the things

3139
02:41:54,645 --> 02:41:56,405
that the city really wants them to do as well.

3140
02:41:56,555 --> 02:41:58,965
Because I think that we're all, that was one of the lessons

3141
02:41:58,965 --> 02:42:01,565
that I took away from this, from this new approach

3142
02:42:01,585 --> 02:42:05,085
to the community Wildfire protection plan on this question

3143
02:42:05,085 --> 02:42:06,365
that you just, you just answered.

3144
02:42:07,545 --> 02:42:10,445
Yes. Thank you for confirming that there's not going

3145
02:42:10,445 --> 02:42:12,245
to be clear cutting of 10,000 acres.

3146
02:42:12,615 --> 02:42:15,205
There is however, some discussion of thinning

3147
02:42:15,265 --> 02:42:19,005
of forest canopy in the upper watershed in order to increase

3148
02:42:19,515 --> 02:42:21,045
snow pack and, and things like that.

3149
02:42:21,225 --> 02:42:23,365
And in reference, it's a, it's a kind

3150
02:42:23,365 --> 02:42:25,805
of a passing reference in section 12

3151
02:42:25,955 --> 02:42:28,005
with not super well explained,

3152
02:42:28,205 --> 02:42:29,165
although there's some reference to

3153
02:42:29,165 --> 02:42:31,045
some academic literature on it.

3154
02:42:31,785 --> 02:42:33,725
But then in terms of the actual initiative,

3155
02:42:34,075 --> 02:42:37,205
there's initiative to facilitate creation

3156
02:42:37,205 --> 02:42:40,365
of a climate smart plan for the entire Ashland watershed.

3157
02:42:40,865 --> 02:42:43,765
So I wonder if you could just explain a little bit more

3158
02:42:43,875 --> 02:42:47,045
what is a climate smart plan, how long does it take?

3159
02:42:47,215 --> 02:42:48,805
Who's involved in all of that?

3160
02:42:50,675 --> 02:42:53,125
Yeah, and when are we gonna, when is that,

3161
02:42:53,125 --> 02:42:54,645
when are we gonna start doing that?

3162
02:42:56,105 --> 02:42:57,365
It seems like it's gonna be able

3163
02:42:57,365 --> 02:42:58,965
to pretty long term project.

3164
02:43:00,645 --> 02:43:02,565
I believe that will be a long term project.

3165
02:43:02,565 --> 02:43:05,365
First I want to introduce our extraordinary volunteer

3166
02:43:05,605 --> 02:43:07,245
Cherise ak and in part

3167
02:43:07,805 --> 02:43:11,765
because Cherise brought this idea of climate smart planning

3168
02:43:12,025 --> 02:43:15,125
to the Forest Lands Management advisory committee

3169
02:43:15,645 --> 02:43:16,725
actually a number of years ago

3170
02:43:16,725 --> 02:43:18,205
before we even started this,

3171
02:43:18,505 --> 02:43:21,725
as we were looking at a climate change adaptation addendum

3172
02:43:21,725 --> 02:43:23,005
to the Ashland Forest Plan,

3173
02:43:23,485 --> 02:43:26,365
climate Smart forestry is actually a process

3174
02:43:26,435 --> 02:43:29,245
that was created by, I hope I don't get this wrong,

3175
02:43:29,245 --> 02:43:30,565
the National Wildlife Federation.

3176
02:43:31,345 --> 02:43:32,965
It was an interagency team

3177
02:43:32,965 --> 02:43:34,725
that was led by the National Wildlife. Your

3178
02:43:34,725 --> 02:43:36,165
Mic. Oh yeah, there you

3179
02:43:36,165 --> 02:43:37,165
Go.

3180
02:43:37,185 --> 02:43:38,645
Do I keep it down? No,

3181
02:43:38,645 --> 02:43:39,645
You you're fine.

3182
02:43:39,645 --> 02:43:41,405
It'll, it's fine. Now you've hit it. You're

3183
02:43:41,405 --> 02:43:42,405
Fine.

3184
02:43:42,405 --> 02:43:45,125
Okay. The Climate Smart approach was developed

3185
02:43:45,545 --> 02:43:47,325
by a collaboration of federal

3186
02:43:47,585 --> 02:43:49,045
and nonprofit entities

3187
02:43:49,905 --> 02:43:53,125
to take a hard look at the planning process.

3188
02:43:55,395 --> 02:43:58,325
Someday we could give you a full on presentation on it,

3189
02:43:58,985 --> 02:44:01,645
but there's a publication in 2014

3190
02:44:01,645 --> 02:44:02,805
that describes the process.

3191
02:44:03,865 --> 02:44:08,485
It means looking at the future with a, a lens on

3192
02:44:08,505 --> 02:44:12,925
that's different from the past, dealing with uncertainty.

3193
02:44:15,345 --> 02:44:17,245
But I don't think that's what we're here for tonight.

3194
02:44:17,345 --> 02:44:18,365
So I'm not gonna talk

3195
02:44:18,365 --> 02:44:19,365
About it.

3196
02:44:19,365 --> 02:44:21,685
And, and I, I will add to that, that we don't expect

3197
02:44:21,685 --> 02:44:23,845
that we will be to able to engage in that process

3198
02:44:24,105 --> 02:44:25,845
during the current administration

3199
02:44:25,845 --> 02:44:29,045
because we're talking about the Ashland Watershed, which is,

3200
02:44:29,045 --> 02:44:30,685
you know, over 90% federal land.

3201
02:44:30,785 --> 02:44:33,165
So I don't think we're gonna get traction on

3202
02:44:33,165 --> 02:44:36,205
that particular issue, at least not for the next few years.

3203
02:44:36,665 --> 02:44:39,285
But it's good that we have it in our plan as a placeholder

3204
02:44:39,545 --> 02:44:43,045
and when we have a more climate friendly

3205
02:44:43,925 --> 02:44:46,325
administration, I think that's something that we can take up

3206
02:44:46,465 --> 02:44:48,165
and hope to make some headway on.

3207
02:44:48,745 --> 02:44:50,125
Thanks Chris. Thanks Therese.

3208
02:44:51,865 --> 02:44:53,205
And I would just add to that, that

3209
02:44:53,235 --> 02:44:55,885
that particular framework is specifically

3210
02:44:56,065 --> 02:45:00,005
for natural landscapes, the climate smart framework.

3211
02:45:00,185 --> 02:45:03,285
And so it's, it's been, it, you'll hear frameworks

3212
02:45:03,285 --> 02:45:06,525
that are specifically for community communities

3213
02:45:06,525 --> 02:45:08,845
and community assets and then there are other frameworks

3214
02:45:08,845 --> 02:45:12,285
that are for, for natural landscapes.

3215
02:45:12,285 --> 02:45:14,365
And in fact, one of our Ashland residents was one

3216
02:45:14,365 --> 02:45:16,325
of the authors of one of the chapters for that.

3217
02:45:16,385 --> 02:45:19,365
So there has been a, a lot of work in the conservation world

3218
02:45:19,365 --> 02:45:21,725
around that with National Wildlife Federation

3219
02:45:22,255 --> 02:45:23,845
being the lead organization.

3220
02:45:25,135 --> 02:45:28,765
Other questions? Councillor Duque.

3221
02:45:30,615 --> 02:45:33,885
Thank you. One of my questions is,

3222
02:45:34,605 --> 02:45:37,165
I remember when this was brought in front

3223
02:45:37,165 --> 02:45:39,165
of us the first time.

3224
02:45:42,305 --> 02:45:46,725
So it says that a conservative estimate

3225
02:45:46,945 --> 02:45:50,965
of 80 to $100 million,

3226
02:45:51,905 --> 02:45:56,325
so that's in a 10 year timeframe, so

3227
02:45:56,325 --> 02:45:59,405
that's $10 million per year.

3228
02:46:01,665 --> 02:46:03,005
How are we gonna get there?

3229
02:46:03,585 --> 02:46:05,565
How, where's this money gonna come from?

3230
02:46:06,145 --> 02:46:10,085
We have a $372.5 million budget

3231
02:46:10,665 --> 02:46:12,445
and that is not in the budget.

3232
02:46:12,755 --> 02:46:14,205
Where's this money gonna come from?

3233
02:46:15,025 --> 02:46:17,045
In part it is in the budget, the community

3234
02:46:17,265 --> 02:46:20,365
or the wildfire risk reduction fee that was passed

3235
02:46:20,385 --> 02:46:24,285
by council, very forward looking move on the council's part

3236
02:46:24,835 --> 02:46:27,805
does create a fund that is dedicated

3237
02:46:27,805 --> 02:46:31,445
to wildfire risk reduction that is part of the calculation

3238
02:46:32,025 --> 02:46:35,525
and more, not that that fund is enough to, you know,

3239
02:46:35,545 --> 02:46:36,565
get us to $10 million.

3240
02:46:36,635 --> 02:46:38,165
It's nowhere near that. But what

3241
02:46:38,165 --> 02:46:41,765
that fund creates is a down payment so that we can go out to

3242
02:46:42,335 --> 02:46:46,565
state, federal foundations, you name it,

3243
02:46:46,625 --> 02:46:51,445
and we have a, a match fund that we can then extend out

3244
02:46:51,465 --> 02:46:54,285
and say, hey, we have put our money where our mouth is

3245
02:46:54,285 --> 02:46:55,325
as a local community.

3246
02:46:55,385 --> 02:46:57,725
We have skin in the game. We've been doing this actually

3247
02:46:57,725 --> 02:47:00,365
for a long time back to the 1315 biennium

3248
02:47:01,105 --> 02:47:03,885
and having a fee dedicated to wildfire mitigation.

3249
02:47:04,625 --> 02:47:07,485
So we have a good track record we've performed on that.

3250
02:47:08,265 --> 02:47:11,405
We have, you know, we doubled down on it in the LA in this

3251
02:47:11,405 --> 02:47:14,045
current biennium and you know, we are looking

3252
02:47:14,225 --> 02:47:16,965
to be an example community for the entire country

3253
02:47:17,665 --> 02:47:19,645
and we have this money.

3254
02:47:20,025 --> 02:47:23,005
And so we hope that what that will do is allow us

3255
02:47:23,305 --> 02:47:27,125
to access the millions of dollars that are listed in the,

3256
02:47:27,385 --> 02:47:28,965
the plan as a potential budget.

3257
02:47:29,505 --> 02:47:33,605
And a very similar thing, when we happened 21 years ago

3258
02:47:34,165 --> 02:47:37,445
when we approved the original community wildfire protection

3259
02:47:37,445 --> 02:47:40,005
plan in 2004, we didn't know

3260
02:47:40,005 --> 02:47:42,085
where the money was gonna come from at

3261
02:47:42,085 --> 02:47:43,805
that time we thought the budget was 10

3262
02:47:43,825 --> 02:47:45,725
to $12 million to do the project.

3263
02:47:46,065 --> 02:47:48,285
We ended up with 33 million

3264
02:47:48,585 --> 02:47:51,685
and counting as we had success in the project,

3265
02:47:51,985 --> 02:47:54,685
we attracted funding, we found other funding sources,

3266
02:47:54,945 --> 02:47:55,965
we lobbied for dollars.

3267
02:47:57,025 --> 02:48:01,645
So we more than doubled what we thought the budget would be

3268
02:48:01,745 --> 02:48:04,325
and we made a very successful forward thinking project.

3269
02:48:05,185 --> 02:48:07,885
I'm hopeful that we'll have an experience

3270
02:48:07,885 --> 02:48:09,645
that is similar this time around

3271
02:48:10,245 --> 02:48:12,085
as we look at protecting our community

3272
02:48:12,085 --> 02:48:13,925
and doing the necessary work that we need to do.

3273
02:48:14,785 --> 02:48:16,845
But I can't honestly sit here

3274
02:48:16,845 --> 02:48:19,125
and say there's money in the bank.

3275
02:48:19,455 --> 02:48:20,645
We're gonna have to figure that out.

3276
02:48:21,345 --> 02:48:23,605
May I Mayor? Yes, thank you Chris.

3277
02:48:23,805 --> 02:48:25,685
I appreciate that explanation.

3278
02:48:26,105 --> 02:48:29,525
And that was years ago when that happened.

3279
02:48:29,585 --> 02:48:31,485
And looking at the federal government

3280
02:48:31,485 --> 02:48:33,405
where we are right now, there are no grants,

3281
02:48:33,405 --> 02:48:34,645
there are no federal dollars.

3282
02:48:36,025 --> 02:48:39,805
Yes, the citizens were taxed with the wildfire fee

3283
02:48:40,425 --> 02:48:42,845
and that is not gonna get us to the 10 million.

3284
02:48:43,705 --> 02:48:48,085
So I just don't see how we can get there.

3285
02:48:48,305 --> 02:48:50,165
Is there some sense of urgency?

3286
02:48:50,225 --> 02:48:54,845
You mentioned before how Ashland is the leader

3287
02:48:54,945 --> 02:48:56,565
and the nation and doing,

3288
02:48:56,625 --> 02:48:58,445
and it's wonderful to be the leader.

3289
02:48:58,675 --> 02:49:02,765
However, I don't see where the funds are going

3290
02:49:02,765 --> 02:49:04,365
to come from to get us there.

3291
02:49:05,105 --> 02:49:06,645
So that is my question.

3292
02:49:06,755 --> 02:49:10,845
When I saw this, the wildfire fee, the $6

3293
02:49:11,625 --> 02:49:14,365
that's implemented, but that's not gonna get us there.

3294
02:49:14,505 --> 02:49:17,325
No grants or no federal funding is in place.

3295
02:49:18,065 --> 02:49:20,725
So I just, it's not clear to me.

3296
02:49:21,315 --> 02:49:23,525
There's still a federal grant that's in its last year

3297
02:49:23,525 --> 02:49:25,565
and it's actually the same funding that we got

3298
02:49:25,585 --> 02:49:28,165
to fund the creation of the CWPP.

3299
02:49:28,165 --> 02:49:30,365
It's called the Community Wildfire Defense Grant.

3300
02:49:31,395 --> 02:49:34,285
It's still in existence. It'll be in its last year.

3301
02:49:34,785 --> 02:49:36,845
We can apply coming up this fall

3302
02:49:36,865 --> 02:49:40,005
or winter when they release the, the notice for that grant.

3303
02:49:40,265 --> 02:49:42,045
So it'll be the fourth year of that grant.

3304
02:49:42,145 --> 02:49:45,165
It allows communities to apply for up to $10 million

3305
02:49:45,665 --> 02:49:48,765
for implementing a plan that we've, you know, just finished.

3306
02:49:49,505 --> 02:49:51,565
So we'll be in pretty good position to do that.

3307
02:49:51,565 --> 02:49:55,205
That is one of the only federal remaining funds that I know

3308
02:49:55,205 --> 02:49:56,565
of for this kind of work.

3309
02:49:56,915 --> 02:50:00,045
Whether or not we engage in that, I know we're having,

3310
02:50:00,305 --> 02:50:04,205
you know, issues with language in federal grant agreements.

3311
02:50:04,735 --> 02:50:06,885
Maybe this one works out for us. I hope it does.

3312
02:50:07,345 --> 02:50:09,925
I'm also encouraged that the state legislature passed

3313
02:50:10,285 --> 02:50:15,085
$43 million in wildfire mitigation and prevention funding.

3314
02:50:15,545 --> 02:50:17,645
You know, apart from the money that they are paying

3315
02:50:17,645 --> 02:50:20,925
to put fires out right now, this is separate dollars

3316
02:50:21,115 --> 02:50:23,845
that were carved out by the legislature

3317
02:50:24,585 --> 02:50:27,285
and that that is something that we're gonna have to

3318
02:50:28,135 --> 02:50:30,045
write a really good grant application for.

3319
02:50:30,045 --> 02:50:31,045
And I think we can do that

3320
02:50:31,505 --> 02:50:33,325
and be very convincing at the state

3321
02:50:33,325 --> 02:50:34,445
level to get funding as well.

3322
02:50:36,305 --> 02:50:40,925
So this is a follow up. Yes. So question about that.

3323
02:50:40,925 --> 02:50:45,725
Thanks Chris. Is that if this is going to move forward

3324
02:50:45,785 --> 02:50:47,845
and it is, if it is gonna pass,

3325
02:50:49,265 --> 02:50:51,725
my question in here when I was reading

3326
02:50:51,825 --> 02:50:53,365
and looking through this is

3327
02:50:56,155 --> 02:51:00,885
some people are not able to, it said

3328
02:51:00,885 --> 02:51:03,365
that every, every individual's responsible

3329
02:51:03,505 --> 02:51:07,245
and it mentioned institutions and individuals

3330
02:51:07,305 --> 02:51:11,525
and property owners, if you are a property owner,

3331
02:51:11,545 --> 02:51:13,925
it doesn't necessarily mean you have X amount of dollars

3332
02:51:14,025 --> 02:51:15,525
to do this to your home.

3333
02:51:16,625 --> 02:51:21,245
My concern is that this is NN not mandatory.

3334
02:51:24,385 --> 02:51:25,405
Can you explain that question?

3335
02:51:25,405 --> 02:51:27,285
You're concerned that it is not mandatory

3336
02:51:27,285 --> 02:51:29,125
Because of the not mandatory for someone

3337
02:51:29,185 --> 02:51:30,205
to harden their home.

3338
02:51:30,545 --> 02:51:34,565
So many communities have already looked at landscaping

3339
02:51:34,745 --> 02:51:39,085
and done things in their community around their house

3340
02:51:39,545 --> 02:51:42,685
to for fire while for fire mitigation.

3341
02:51:42,685 --> 02:51:47,325
Right. And so my concern in looking at these goals

3342
02:51:47,545 --> 02:51:51,205
and where the city wants to go, if I'm a property owner

3343
02:51:51,205 --> 02:51:56,045
and I don't have the money to harden my home,

3344
02:51:56,265 --> 02:51:58,925
am I gonna get penalized is gonna be mandatory.

3345
02:51:59,755 --> 02:52:00,765
What is that gonna look like?

3346
02:52:01,415 --> 02:52:06,245
Thank you. The intent in the plan is to help those

3347
02:52:06,545 --> 02:52:08,045
who need the help to get there.

3348
02:52:08,185 --> 02:52:10,245
So lower income landowners,

3349
02:52:10,915 --> 02:52:13,405
just like we have utility bill assistance program

3350
02:52:13,705 --> 02:52:16,085
for home heating and air conditioning in the city,

3351
02:52:16,625 --> 02:52:18,525
we can come up with a threshold for income

3352
02:52:18,525 --> 02:52:19,965
that people would qualify to have

3353
02:52:21,115 --> 02:52:25,325
some significant proportion of the work done for them out

3354
02:52:25,325 --> 02:52:29,165
of funding that we have either from the fee and or fee of,

3355
02:52:29,265 --> 02:52:31,885
and a combination of some grants that we're able to get

3356
02:52:32,065 --> 02:52:34,005
to make that happen for people.

3357
02:52:34,705 --> 02:52:36,925
We, we have some

3358
02:52:36,925 --> 02:52:39,565
of the contracting capacity in place in the community.

3359
02:52:39,565 --> 02:52:42,365
We need to train a lot more contractors on how

3360
02:52:42,365 --> 02:52:44,045
to do the work that we want them to do.

3361
02:52:44,625 --> 02:52:46,245
And I think we can get there pretty quickly

3362
02:52:46,755 --> 02:52:48,445
that we can offer the services

3363
02:52:48,905 --> 02:52:51,805
and help people get to the point that they need to be

3364
02:52:51,865 --> 02:52:55,165
for wildfire protection without a lot

3365
02:52:55,165 --> 02:52:56,525
of out of pocket expense.

3366
02:52:57,445 --> 02:52:58,485
I appreciate that

3367
02:52:58,745 --> 02:53:02,445
and it's been my experience at some people will fall through

3368
02:53:02,445 --> 02:53:07,045
that threshold and that's where my concern lies. Thank you.

3369
02:53:07,695 --> 02:53:11,725
Thank you. So a couple of things just

3370
02:53:11,725 --> 02:53:13,765
to make sure we have the clarifications.

3371
02:53:14,075 --> 02:53:18,325
That $10 million a year that includes the estimates for

3372
02:53:18,325 --> 02:53:22,165
what individual homeowners would also need to do.

3373
02:53:22,315 --> 02:53:25,445
Correct. So that's not, we're not looking at the city having

3374
02:53:25,445 --> 02:53:27,125
to have a $10 million a year budget

3375
02:53:27,185 --> 02:53:28,365
to do this work. Is that correct?

3376
02:53:28,875 --> 02:53:31,325
That would include contributions from the homeowners

3377
02:53:31,325 --> 02:53:36,165
themselves that looks at our experience in the current FEMA

3378
02:53:36,165 --> 02:53:39,165
grant and what we've offered the money to help people.

3379
02:53:39,935 --> 02:53:42,085
Homeowners will often spend over

3380
02:53:42,145 --> 02:53:44,965
and above the amount that's required for their match.

3381
02:53:45,025 --> 02:53:47,965
So, you know, if we're a requiring 25% that they kick in,

3382
02:53:48,155 --> 02:53:51,845
they often do more and end up paying 50 to sometimes 75%

3383
02:53:51,845 --> 02:53:53,165
because they wanted to just

3384
02:53:53,165 --> 02:53:54,205
go ahead and do the whole package.

3385
02:53:55,725 --> 02:53:57,565
I used those numbers that we got

3386
02:53:57,625 --> 02:54:00,165
so real world numbers from our own city out

3387
02:54:00,165 --> 02:54:03,565
of the FEMA grant experience to run those calculations.

3388
02:54:04,425 --> 02:54:07,285
So we completely expect that for those

3389
02:54:07,425 --> 02:54:09,765
who can do the work and pay for it.

3390
02:54:10,295 --> 02:54:13,605
Great. We're gonna, that is included in the $10 million.

3391
02:54:13,975 --> 02:54:16,965
Great. And I had, I know when we had the,

3392
02:54:17,025 --> 02:54:20,045
the study session here at council, there was a,

3393
02:54:20,205 --> 02:54:22,445
a conversation that was kind of linked, I believe to

3394
02:54:23,075 --> 02:54:25,565
this question that Councillor Kaplan had asked, which is,

3395
02:54:26,255 --> 02:54:29,085
where are we at in terms of our staffing,

3396
02:54:29,905 --> 02:54:33,045
our existing staffing in terms of moving forward,

3397
02:54:33,045 --> 02:54:35,805
those elements that are uniquely the cities to move forward.

3398
02:54:36,265 --> 02:54:40,725
And I asked that question by email and I believe Mr.

3399
02:54:40,915 --> 02:54:43,485
Shea sent a a a good answer out.

3400
02:54:43,485 --> 02:54:46,045
But I think the, the community might do well

3401
02:54:46,045 --> 02:54:49,885
to hear it in terms of where, how, how,

3402
02:54:50,025 --> 02:54:52,165
how well are we suited at this moment

3403
02:54:52,315 --> 02:54:55,765
with the staffing we have to get started on this plan

3404
02:54:56,305 --> 02:55:01,125
and is there a significant gap in staffing immediately known

3405
02:55:01,195 --> 02:55:02,845
that we should be looking to address.

3406
02:55:04,265 --> 02:55:06,845
So we had a, a long discussion in our division about this.

3407
02:55:07,585 --> 02:55:10,965
We feel like in the, the two years of kicking off the plan,

3408
02:55:11,185 --> 02:55:13,965
we have staffing right now at a level

3409
02:55:13,995 --> 02:55:15,925
that we can make the heavy lift

3410
02:55:15,925 --> 02:55:19,165
and get this plan off the ground into implementation,

3411
02:55:19,165 --> 02:55:23,165
including writing grants, developing codes

3412
02:55:23,275 --> 02:55:25,165
that would be necessary to move this forward.

3413
02:55:26,265 --> 02:55:29,485
We will have to have this discussion at some point about

3414
02:55:29,735 --> 02:55:33,485
maybe another FTE to add to the division so

3415
02:55:33,485 --> 02:55:35,765
that we can eventually enforce the codes,

3416
02:55:36,025 --> 02:55:39,325
but we're not gonna get there within the first two years.

3417
02:55:40,505 --> 02:55:42,725
So in the current biennium, we're not saying

3418
02:55:42,725 --> 02:55:45,405
that we want any more staff, we also have to realize

3419
02:55:45,595 --> 02:55:47,405
that this is a community effort.

3420
02:55:47,625 --> 02:55:50,045
We already have partners who are at the table

3421
02:55:50,115 --> 02:55:53,245
with funding in hand, including the chamber of commerce

3422
02:55:53,465 --> 02:55:55,645
for the business community portion of what is in the plan,

3423
02:55:56,265 --> 02:55:59,605
and also applications that are being submitted

3424
02:55:59,605 --> 02:56:02,525
by the Ashland Climate Collaborative that were,

3425
02:56:02,665 --> 02:56:04,365
and mayor submitted a support

3426
02:56:04,365 --> 02:56:05,525
letter for Thank you very much.

3427
02:56:06,625 --> 02:56:08,365
So we're expecting that, you know,

3428
02:56:08,365 --> 02:56:11,085
this isn't just all falling on the city's shoulders

3429
02:56:11,105 --> 02:56:13,205
and in fact that's the way the plan was put together.

3430
02:56:13,355 --> 02:56:14,725
It's a community plan

3431
02:56:15,065 --> 02:56:17,645
and in fact we left the city logo off it

3432
02:56:17,645 --> 02:56:19,765
and I'll just apologize to the city for that.

3433
02:56:20,105 --> 02:56:23,525
But, but that was purposeful in order to make this,

3434
02:56:23,745 --> 02:56:26,605
you know, not something that every time something question

3435
02:56:26,605 --> 02:56:28,205
comes up, we gotta go to the city council

3436
02:56:28,265 --> 02:56:29,405
and ask for an answer or

3437
02:56:29,405 --> 02:56:30,525
we have to go to the fire department.

3438
02:56:30,715 --> 02:56:34,045
This is a collaborative effort in our entire community

3439
02:56:34,045 --> 02:56:37,405
because we all stand to benefit from it

3440
02:56:37,405 --> 02:56:40,325
and we all stand to lose if there is a major wildfire.

3441
02:56:40,505 --> 02:56:43,765
So we need all of the institutions, nonprofits,

3442
02:56:43,875 --> 02:56:46,765
everybody at the table to step up and do some of it.

3443
02:56:46,795 --> 02:56:48,765
This is meant to be a commun,

3444
02:56:48,815 --> 02:56:51,885
truly community wildfire protection plan.

3445
02:56:52,815 --> 02:56:55,005
Great. Councilor Duque.

3446
02:56:55,295 --> 02:56:57,045
Thank you. Okay, last question.

3447
02:56:58,045 --> 02:56:59,525
I just wanted to,

3448
02:57:00,545 --> 02:57:03,685
you mentioned it's not on the city's shoulders,

3449
02:57:04,645 --> 02:57:08,045
I don't want it to be on the people's shoulders either when

3450
02:57:08,045 --> 02:57:09,405
it comes to dollars and cents.

3451
02:57:09,985 --> 02:57:12,325
So in developing code

3452
02:57:12,555 --> 02:57:17,285
that you mentioned will will happen eventually while doing

3453
02:57:17,395 --> 02:57:21,005
that, can you assure the community

3454
02:57:21,195 --> 02:57:25,325
that it's not gonna be anything mandatory

3455
02:57:25,515 --> 02:57:28,845
that they will have to do to their property

3456
02:57:28,985 --> 02:57:31,805
or be penalized if they don't?

3457
02:57:33,385 --> 02:57:35,605
So I don't think we can assure that

3458
02:57:35,605 --> 02:57:37,565
because any code would come to council

3459
02:57:37,705 --> 02:57:40,125
for review before it's adopted.

3460
02:57:40,345 --> 02:57:42,365
So that would really be a, a discussion

3461
02:57:42,365 --> 02:57:44,685
with the code. Under consideration.

3462
02:57:45,455 --> 02:57:47,005
Under consideration. But I think it's fair to say

3463
02:57:47,005 --> 02:57:48,125
that there won't, those,

3464
02:57:48,255 --> 02:57:50,805
those code changes will not be made

3465
02:57:50,805 --> 02:57:51,885
without council approval.

3466
02:57:52,025 --> 02:57:54,445
So any, any concern that you might have,

3467
02:57:54,565 --> 02:57:56,885
there'll be a discussion in a vote at the council

3468
02:57:57,225 --> 02:57:58,885
around those code changes, is that correct?

3469
02:57:59,645 --> 02:58:00,925
Absolutely. I think that's an important point

3470
02:58:01,005 --> 02:58:02,285
about anything in the community.

3471
02:58:02,525 --> 02:58:04,405
Wildfire protection plan, just

3472
02:58:04,405 --> 02:58:08,045
by adopting the plan doesn't make it so the very next day

3473
02:58:08,825 --> 02:58:12,045
it sets into motion processes that will come back

3474
02:58:12,045 --> 02:58:15,525
to council, such as code adoption, you know, any planning

3475
02:58:15,525 --> 02:58:18,485
that happens for work in our forests, it's gonna either have

3476
02:58:18,485 --> 02:58:19,485
to come back to council

3477
02:58:19,625 --> 02:58:22,085
or combination of council and the forest service.

3478
02:58:22,305 --> 02:58:25,485
So there's a long road ahead in process

3479
02:58:26,785 --> 02:58:30,125
and this is an important step, but it in

3480
02:58:30,125 --> 02:58:32,125
and of itself does not pass any codes

3481
02:58:32,125 --> 02:58:34,485
or doesn't make any significant changes

3482
02:58:35,115 --> 02:58:36,965
without further review,

3483
02:58:36,965 --> 02:58:40,965
further citizen participation and further budget.

3484
02:58:41,935 --> 02:58:44,605
Great. So I have one last question

3485
02:58:44,665 --> 02:58:47,805
and that's around the, the reference

3486
02:58:47,805 --> 02:58:49,405
to thinning forest for water.

3487
02:58:50,595 --> 02:58:53,685
It's that practice is a, is a practice that is,

3488
02:58:54,875 --> 02:58:56,525
it's a very complex process.

3489
02:58:56,985 --> 02:58:59,965
And so what would that, what would it look like?

3490
02:59:00,635 --> 02:59:04,005
What is a process before the city would engage in that

3491
02:59:04,005 --> 02:59:07,125
because it's potentially severely maladaptive.

3492
02:59:07,785 --> 02:59:12,205
And so what, by having it mentioned in here,

3493
02:59:13,255 --> 02:59:15,725
would it still need to come to the council

3494
02:59:15,865 --> 02:59:18,525
before we undertook anything even in the areas

3495
02:59:18,615 --> 02:59:23,325
where we can control our, even in our own forest lands,

3496
02:59:24,585 --> 02:59:26,885
One, the city doesn't own forest lands.

3497
02:59:27,025 --> 02:59:29,965
In the significant forest lands,

3498
02:59:29,965 --> 02:59:32,965
we do have the wind burn parcel that does get snow.

3499
02:59:33,025 --> 02:59:36,285
The lower watershed one is below the drainage area

3500
02:59:36,345 --> 02:59:37,365
of Rita Reservoir.

3501
02:59:37,425 --> 02:59:39,725
So that's, it doesn't have any significance in terms

3502
02:59:39,725 --> 02:59:41,885
of capturing water that we are gonna be drinking.

3503
02:59:43,065 --> 02:59:46,765
And also the, the windberg parcel is so small,

3504
02:59:47,025 --> 02:59:50,165
it doesn't have enough area to really have any hydrological

3505
02:59:50,715 --> 02:59:54,085
benefit to the availability of water by doing thinning.

3506
02:59:54,985 --> 02:59:56,605
And the rest is forest service land, the

3507
02:59:56,605 --> 02:59:58,285
Rest is forest service land, which would have to go

3508
02:59:58,285 --> 03:00:01,445
through federal NEPA and land management and,

3509
03:00:01,745 --> 03:00:04,525
and ostensibly just like we did back in 2004,

3510
03:00:04,805 --> 03:00:08,605
a council process to approve a plan in conjunction

3511
03:00:08,635 --> 03:00:11,165
with the forest service just like we did in

3512
03:00:11,165 --> 03:00:12,525
the original CWPP.

3513
03:00:12,775 --> 03:00:15,965
Great. Thank you. If Councillor shell Yeah,

3514
03:00:16,385 --> 03:00:17,385
Excuse me.

3515
03:00:17,385 --> 03:00:19,005
Thank you Mayor, thank you again for coming back

3516
03:00:19,065 --> 03:00:20,765
and thank you for all the work

3517
03:00:20,765 --> 03:00:21,885
that you did to put this together.

3518
03:00:22,355 --> 03:00:25,565
This is a, a really major piece of text

3519
03:00:25,565 --> 03:00:27,925
that's gonna help our community, I believe for a long time.

3520
03:00:28,665 --> 03:00:30,485
My only kind of concern and,

3521
03:00:30,485 --> 03:00:32,045
and I plan to support this is just like

3522
03:00:32,045 --> 03:00:33,165
the unintended consequences.

3523
03:00:33,385 --> 03:00:34,605
You know, it's the elephant in the room.

3524
03:00:35,105 --> 03:00:37,885
We have all this amazing state legislation that's passing,

3525
03:00:38,125 --> 03:00:41,885
I mean, multiple infill housing bills have passed since this

3526
03:00:41,885 --> 03:00:44,325
was since we were even here last time a couple

3527
03:00:44,325 --> 03:00:45,445
months ago looking at that.

3528
03:00:46,105 --> 03:00:48,685
And I, I just would hope that we would kind

3529
03:00:48,685 --> 03:00:49,805
of be looking far down the road

3530
03:00:50,305 --> 03:00:53,925
to avoid unintended consequences of pairing fire safety

3531
03:00:54,035 --> 03:00:56,685
with density and with infill housing.

3532
03:00:56,695 --> 03:00:58,525
There was some, some good testimony earlier.

3533
03:00:59,345 --> 03:01:00,725
And as it pertains

3534
03:01:00,725 --> 03:01:03,085
to community development in the section you were talking

3535
03:01:03,085 --> 03:01:06,605
about in your memo that you sent out, I believe on the 13th,

3536
03:01:06,705 --> 03:01:10,325
can you speak maybe to your kind of education

3537
03:01:10,325 --> 03:01:11,605
and your point of view down the road

3538
03:01:11,825 --> 03:01:13,765
as this competes with infill housing?

3539
03:01:15,515 --> 03:01:20,245
This is a sticky issue and there's no silver bullet.

3540
03:01:21,315 --> 03:01:23,925
Clearly putting more structures

3541
03:01:23,925 --> 03:01:26,525
and more people in a confined space,

3542
03:01:26,765 --> 03:01:28,765
AKA the city limits is going

3543
03:01:28,765 --> 03:01:31,405
to make things more challenging for wildfire.

3544
03:01:32,225 --> 03:01:34,245
The piece that we do have in our back pocket is having

3545
03:01:34,395 --> 03:01:37,645
already adopted the state building code

3546
03:01:37,705 --> 03:01:39,285
for wildfire prevention, which is

3547
03:01:39,965 --> 03:01:42,085
R three sec section R 3 27.

3548
03:01:43,275 --> 03:01:44,965
That requires

3549
03:01:45,195 --> 03:01:47,805
that all new construction in Ashland residential

3550
03:01:48,085 --> 03:01:49,245
construction is built

3551
03:01:49,245 --> 03:01:51,245
to the highest protection for wildfire.

3552
03:01:51,705 --> 03:01:54,485
And that really is like the golden egg

3553
03:01:54,485 --> 03:01:55,685
that we have right now.

3554
03:01:56,075 --> 03:01:59,445
Without that, we would be in a lot more trouble in digging

3555
03:01:59,445 --> 03:02:02,365
ourselves in a lot deeper hole than we are right now.

3556
03:02:02,415 --> 03:02:04,805
We've implemented that since 2021.

3557
03:02:05,785 --> 03:02:07,685
So that was like really visionary.

3558
03:02:08,145 --> 03:02:10,285
I'm actually invited to give a presentation to the League

3559
03:02:10,285 --> 03:02:12,525
of Oregon cities about that coming up next week

3560
03:02:13,345 --> 03:02:15,725
for other communities in Oregon who are considering

3561
03:02:15,725 --> 03:02:16,805
that approach.

3562
03:02:17,705 --> 03:02:20,045
So Ashland has, was a leader on that front

3563
03:02:20,145 --> 03:02:21,205
and continues to be,

3564
03:02:21,465 --> 03:02:24,245
and that's something that we should hold onto as tightly

3565
03:02:24,265 --> 03:02:28,045
as possible because it is the best bet in allowing

3566
03:02:28,705 --> 03:02:31,885
infill at the same time as providing the kind

3567
03:02:31,885 --> 03:02:36,325
of fire protection that we absolutely need for the future.

3568
03:02:36,785 --> 03:02:39,965
The big challenge is our existing construction

3569
03:02:40,025 --> 03:02:41,565
and what do we do about that?

3570
03:02:42,025 --> 03:02:44,885
That's a really, you know, the, the main emphasis

3571
03:02:44,905 --> 03:02:46,165
of this plan,

3572
03:02:46,625 --> 03:02:49,245
but I don't think we're gonna see ourselves getting out

3573
03:02:49,305 --> 03:02:53,005
of the infill with all of the state land use planning

3574
03:02:53,745 --> 03:02:55,845
and energy going into it and,

3575
03:02:55,985 --> 03:02:58,485
and you know, wanting to maintain a compact city

3576
03:02:58,505 --> 03:03:01,725
and not sprawl out all over this end of the valley.

3577
03:03:01,905 --> 03:03:06,165
So I I, yeah, I don't have an easy, easy answer,

3578
03:03:06,585 --> 03:03:09,365
but that what we have done

3579
03:03:09,625 --> 03:03:12,405
to date in requiring defensible space and home hardening

3580
03:03:12,405 --> 03:03:14,085
and new construction is really important

3581
03:03:15,465 --> 03:03:18,565
and that's, I think that's as good as it gets for us.

3582
03:03:18,875 --> 03:03:19,925
Yeah, I would, I would agree.

3583
03:03:19,925 --> 03:03:22,245
Just a quick follow up on that, I mean R 3 27 is,

3584
03:03:22,245 --> 03:03:24,925
is really powerful and it's is the industry standard here we

3585
03:03:24,935 --> 03:03:27,245
opted into that we should be proud that we have it,

3586
03:03:27,265 --> 03:03:30,005
it is expensive, but what's the price of life safety?

3587
03:03:30,015 --> 03:03:33,645
Right? The the follow up question to that was also relating

3588
03:03:33,645 --> 03:03:35,645
to your memo that you sent out talking about

3589
03:03:36,765 --> 03:03:38,005
maintain overall vision and values,

3590
03:03:38,155 --> 03:03:41,805
including a focus on equitable risk reduction.

3591
03:03:41,805 --> 03:03:45,405
And right now it seems like it's only a certain small part

3592
03:03:45,405 --> 03:03:48,685
of the market that's being put into that hardening standard.

3593
03:03:48,945 --> 03:03:51,645
And I really like how the city has got a system

3594
03:03:51,645 --> 03:03:52,765
where they're gonna lead by example

3595
03:03:52,765 --> 03:03:54,965
and they're gonna harden their buildings first apparently.

3596
03:03:54,965 --> 03:03:56,165
So I really like that.

3597
03:03:57,085 --> 03:04:00,005
I just maybe would ask what is, what's your definition

3598
03:04:00,065 --> 03:04:04,245
of applying this new standard as we apply new codes,

3599
03:04:04,265 --> 03:04:07,125
as we enforce new codes equitably?

3600
03:04:07,775 --> 03:04:10,485
Right. Well, SRIs, do you wanna talk about that?

3601
03:04:10,545 --> 03:04:14,725
You did, most of all, SRIs did hundreds of in-person surveys

3602
03:04:14,955 --> 03:04:18,845
with so socially vulnerable populations as part of the plan

3603
03:04:19,345 --> 03:04:21,565
and that that is what we're talking about

3604
03:04:21,585 --> 03:04:24,525
and we talk about equitable risk reduction is, you know,

3605
03:04:24,665 --> 03:04:27,605
how do we communicate to socially vulnerable populations,

3606
03:04:28,025 --> 03:04:29,965
how do we find out what it is they need?

3607
03:04:30,685 --> 03:04:32,325
And that was a large part

3608
03:04:32,325 --> 03:04:35,005
of the planning process at the end.

3609
03:04:38,065 --> 03:04:41,445
The issue of equitability is really core,

3610
03:04:43,145 --> 03:04:45,805
and I can't say that we have the answers,

3611
03:04:47,145 --> 03:04:49,245
but one of the things that we're working on right now,

3612
03:04:49,585 --> 03:04:52,085
and one of the reasons that I've really been a proponent

3613
03:04:52,185 --> 03:04:56,125
for a dedicated staff person to implementation is that

3614
03:04:57,305 --> 03:04:59,885
to find the solutions we need to develop partnerships,

3615
03:05:00,505 --> 03:05:02,765
we need to talk to the community and listen to people.

3616
03:05:04,945 --> 03:05:06,605
And that's what we did for this plan.

3617
03:05:06,825 --> 03:05:08,205
And that was just a small sampling

3618
03:05:08,265 --> 03:05:09,685
of the people, but we learned a lot.

3619
03:05:11,905 --> 03:05:16,525
The next step is to develop a community driven partnership.

3620
03:05:16,835 --> 03:05:17,845
Community led

3621
03:05:18,425 --> 03:05:20,605
and that just happened

3622
03:05:20,605 --> 03:05:24,245
to land in our lap a week and a half ago.

3623
03:05:24,365 --> 03:05:28,445
I found out that there's an opportunity to propose a for

3624
03:05:28,505 --> 03:05:31,365
or to apply for a grant from the Oregon Health Authority

3625
03:05:32,705 --> 03:05:35,245
and the Ashton Climate Collaborative agreed

3626
03:05:35,345 --> 03:05:37,125
to be the parent organization

3627
03:05:37,305 --> 03:05:39,325
for creating a new Ashland wildfire

3628
03:05:39,595 --> 03:05:41,765
partnership resilience partnership.

3629
03:05:43,585 --> 03:05:46,765
And its purpose is to figure out how to

3630
03:05:48,685 --> 03:05:51,385
do that equitable approach.

3631
03:05:52,565 --> 03:05:56,105
And what I propose is that using this grant funding,

3632
03:05:58,485 --> 03:06:01,625
we, we, we don't contract,

3633
03:06:01,645 --> 03:06:05,665
but we essentially find community connectors who can,

3634
03:06:06,125 --> 03:06:07,425
who are already embedded

3635
03:06:07,525 --> 03:06:10,505
or integrated within certain populations

3636
03:06:11,645 --> 03:06:15,625
and facilitate them talking to these folks

3637
03:06:15,765 --> 03:06:17,145
and finding out where they're at.

3638
03:06:18,845 --> 03:06:20,625
But what really the plan is,

3639
03:06:20,645 --> 03:06:23,865
and this whole approach is about, is the one goal, which is

3640
03:06:24,005 --> 03:06:28,585
to save homes from wildfire to reduce the homes

3641
03:06:28,725 --> 03:06:31,785
as a fuel source for those

3642
03:06:31,805 --> 03:06:33,545
who can't afford to do it on their own.

3643
03:06:33,765 --> 03:06:35,545
That's where the big money comes in.

3644
03:06:36,525 --> 03:06:38,865
And under the current administration, it's gonna be tough

3645
03:06:38,865 --> 03:06:41,945
to raise the funds to serve socially vulnerable

3646
03:06:42,015 --> 03:06:43,945
populations, harden their homes.

3647
03:06:47,075 --> 03:06:49,535
One of the areas that we collectively need

3648
03:06:49,535 --> 03:06:51,935
to take a hard look at is how the city looks

3649
03:06:51,935 --> 03:06:53,415
because of its vegetation.

3650
03:06:53,635 --> 03:06:56,045
We have a tradition of planting in a certain way

3651
03:06:56,105 --> 03:06:58,285
and promoting certain kinds of vegetation.

3652
03:06:59,225 --> 03:07:03,045
Making that transition means informing the community

3653
03:07:03,065 --> 03:07:05,285
and educating them so that they can understand

3654
03:07:05,285 --> 03:07:07,685
that their anxiety over climate change

3655
03:07:08,145 --> 03:07:12,445
and wildfire might greatly be reduced.

3656
03:07:12,865 --> 03:07:16,365
If we collectively look at becoming a community

3657
03:07:16,435 --> 03:07:19,925
that won't burn, it would become a safe harbor.

3658
03:07:20,185 --> 03:07:21,765
That's the word I'm beginning to use.

3659
03:07:22,615 --> 03:07:24,805
These are big dreams, big ideas,

3660
03:07:25,865 --> 03:07:27,565
and people who are working daily

3661
03:07:27,705 --> 03:07:29,765
or having a hard time earning money

3662
03:07:29,825 --> 03:07:33,605
or taking care of their families don't have the the breadth

3663
03:07:34,195 --> 03:07:37,965
necessarily to really engage in these conversations.

3664
03:07:40,225 --> 03:07:41,405
We don't have all the answers,

3665
03:07:41,545 --> 03:07:44,925
but the important thing about this grant proposal is in 18

3666
03:07:44,925 --> 03:07:49,525
months, if we can form partnerships with various people

3667
03:07:49,625 --> 03:07:52,045
who serve the community, kind of like the,

3668
03:07:52,105 --> 03:07:54,645
the issue you were just talking about with the unhoused,

3669
03:07:55,185 --> 03:07:58,125
you invite partners in to participate in this conversation

3670
03:07:58,185 --> 03:07:59,285
and develop the structure

3671
03:07:59,285 --> 03:08:01,325
and framework of the systems, the tools

3672
03:08:01,835 --> 03:08:03,805
that will more equitably serve people.

3673
03:08:04,425 --> 03:08:06,445
That's the vision of the CWPP.

3674
03:08:07,745 --> 03:08:11,085
And the great thing about this grant proposal is

3675
03:08:11,085 --> 03:08:13,445
that it would be community led

3676
03:08:14,105 --> 03:08:17,645
and we would partner with the city of Ashland on many

3677
03:08:17,645 --> 03:08:19,445
of the important things, but there are some

3678
03:08:19,445 --> 03:08:20,525
things that we can't do.

3679
03:08:21,625 --> 03:08:23,965
And one of those things is codes

3680
03:08:24,025 --> 03:08:25,285
and enforcement of codes

3681
03:08:27,635 --> 03:08:29,365
that happens to be the stick.

3682
03:08:29,705 --> 03:08:31,805
I'm hoping to find something sweeter

3683
03:08:32,625 --> 03:08:37,325
and that sweetness has to do with vision compelling people

3684
03:08:37,325 --> 03:08:38,805
because it's the right thing to do.

3685
03:08:39,265 --> 03:08:40,765
I'm saying saying too much, I'm sorry.

3686
03:08:42,105 --> 03:08:44,085
No, I think this, it is an important question.

3687
03:08:44,215 --> 03:08:45,885
Thank you Councillor shell and,

3688
03:08:46,025 --> 03:08:49,925
and the, the work that's gone into making sure that we deal

3689
03:08:49,955 --> 03:08:53,005
with this element that we don't leave our community members

3690
03:08:53,105 --> 03:08:55,165
behind who are struggling

3691
03:08:55,165 --> 03:08:56,925
and are not able to afford the changes

3692
03:08:56,925 --> 03:08:58,205
that need to be made to their homes.

3693
03:08:58,525 --> 03:09:00,285
I think that's a, a key element of all of this.

3694
03:09:00,285 --> 03:09:01,725
So it's an important discussion to have.

3695
03:09:02,645 --> 03:09:04,245
We do have some folks who have signed up

3696
03:09:04,245 --> 03:09:05,925
to offer public testimony though,

3697
03:09:05,945 --> 03:09:08,365
so did you have anything else to add to that, Cherise?

3698
03:09:09,945 --> 03:09:12,965
No, I just hope that you can help us realize this dream

3699
03:09:13,325 --> 03:09:14,685
'cause we're all in it together

3700
03:09:15,145 --> 03:09:17,125
and we have to be or this won't happen.

3701
03:09:18,095 --> 03:09:20,245
Thank you. There's a lot of benefits from being together.

3702
03:09:20,425 --> 03:09:21,425
Better together.

3703
03:09:22,585 --> 03:09:25,085
Indeed. So we have three people

3704
03:09:25,105 --> 03:09:26,725
who have signed up to speak this evening.

3705
03:09:27,515 --> 03:09:29,565
What you'll do is you'll come up to the microphone.

3706
03:09:29,795 --> 03:09:33,845
There's a light sensor or light display next to you.

3707
03:09:33,855 --> 03:09:35,725
It'll start on green when your time,

3708
03:09:35,725 --> 03:09:37,645
when you have 20 seconds left, it'll move to yellow.

3709
03:09:37,785 --> 03:09:39,205
You'll hear a little buzzer

3710
03:09:39,265 --> 03:09:41,285
and then when your time is up, it will move to red

3711
03:09:41,285 --> 03:09:42,765
and you'll hear the final buzzer.

3712
03:09:43,265 --> 03:09:44,925
The three people are David Lane,

3713
03:09:45,065 --> 03:09:47,765
Daniel Duro, and Aaron Muck.

3714
03:09:48,265 --> 03:09:49,565
Please tell us your name

3715
03:09:49,905 --> 03:09:53,005
and where you, the city in which you reside when you start,

3716
03:09:53,505 --> 03:09:55,725
and then we'll give the each of them three minutes.

3717
03:09:58,025 --> 03:10:01,605
You called my name first. So yes, I'm David Lane.

3718
03:10:02,195 --> 03:10:05,605
I've lived, lived in Ashland for 14 years.

3719
03:10:06,115 --> 03:10:07,765
I've lived just on the other side

3720
03:10:08,105 --> 03:10:10,085
of the city limits for more than 30.

3721
03:10:11,065 --> 03:10:14,285
So I'm sort of a, a fixture around here.

3722
03:10:15,805 --> 03:10:18,205
I really wanna build on what Sheree said.

3723
03:10:19,485 --> 03:10:21,965
I think we have to fix in our minds

3724
03:10:22,475 --> 03:10:24,925
that failure is not an option.

3725
03:10:25,635 --> 03:10:29,085
Failure would mean coming home from an evacuation

3726
03:10:29,585 --> 03:10:32,205
and finding a pile of ashes

3727
03:10:32,785 --> 03:10:36,365
and we can't let that be a possibility.

3728
03:10:37,625 --> 03:10:39,565
We have to do what we have to do.

3729
03:10:40,185 --> 03:10:43,645
That's gotta be sort of a mantra for the next 10 years.

3730
03:10:44,745 --> 03:10:47,805
And what that that means is

3731
03:10:48,785 --> 03:10:53,085
we can't let our our thinking be

3732
03:10:53,265 --> 03:10:54,405
in the normal style.

3733
03:10:54,985 --> 03:10:58,485
Oh, we can't do that because of such and such a regulation.

3734
03:10:58,915 --> 03:11:01,565
Instead we have to say, how can we do it?

3735
03:11:01,985 --> 03:11:03,405
How can we accomplish this?

3736
03:11:04,945 --> 03:11:09,685
That's got to be what we, we think it's got to be

3737
03:11:09,685 --> 03:11:13,645
what we get the rest of our residents to think.

3738
03:11:14,555 --> 03:11:18,285
It's got to be a collaborative kind of situation.

3739
03:11:19,835 --> 03:11:23,525
It's not just education, it's motivation.

3740
03:11:24,345 --> 03:11:26,365
We don't know how to do that very well.

3741
03:11:27,105 --> 03:11:28,765
We know how to do the opposite.

3742
03:11:29,265 --> 03:11:33,285
We know how to use the stick, not the carrot.

3743
03:11:34,385 --> 03:11:35,645
We need to work with,

3744
03:11:35,785 --> 03:11:39,885
say the psych department at the call at the university.

3745
03:11:40,745 --> 03:11:45,685
We, we need to put together a whole program of

3746
03:11:46,415 --> 03:11:50,765
recreating some of the enthusiasm that we had

3747
03:11:50,765 --> 03:11:55,165
during World War II when we had people having used tires

3748
03:11:56,265 --> 03:11:59,765
drives and paper drives and that kind thing

3749
03:11:59,765 --> 03:12:03,925
because they were so committed through the outcome.

3750
03:12:04,665 --> 03:12:06,845
And that's what we've got to do here.

3751
03:12:07,345 --> 03:12:10,005
And that's what I really, really want to

3752
03:12:10,955 --> 03:12:15,125
encourage the council to turn thinking

3753
03:12:15,125 --> 03:12:19,725
around from the normal usual run of the mill business.

3754
03:12:22,505 --> 03:12:25,765
You, you, you brought up the thing about the idea about

3755
03:12:26,025 --> 03:12:27,125
how are we gonna fund this.

3756
03:12:27,785 --> 03:12:30,125
We don't really know how we're gonna fund it.

3757
03:12:30,705 --> 03:12:33,405
We need to just jump in and start

3758
03:12:34,025 --> 03:12:36,885
and get the rest of the population enthused

3759
03:12:37,185 --> 03:12:41,365
and we've got lots of wealthy people here inland.

3760
03:12:42,145 --> 03:12:44,285
We need to tap into them

3761
03:12:44,825 --> 03:12:48,245
and get them enthused about supporting this

3762
03:12:48,245 --> 03:12:52,645
because if we end up with even 15%

3763
03:12:53,185 --> 03:12:57,165
of the structures in Ashland destroyed by a fire,

3764
03:12:57,995 --> 03:13:01,525
it's going to change everything about this town.

3765
03:13:02,425 --> 03:13:04,525
We can't let that happen. Thank you.

3766
03:13:05,095 --> 03:13:07,005
Thank you. Daniel Duro.

3767
03:13:11,425 --> 03:13:14,605
My name is Dan Deru and I live in Ashland.

3768
03:13:14,605 --> 03:13:15,885
Been here 11 years

3769
03:13:16,145 --> 03:13:17,765
and I want to thank you

3770
03:13:17,765 --> 03:13:19,605
for your efforts on producing the comprehensive

3771
03:13:19,965 --> 03:13:21,125
Wildfire Protection plan.

3772
03:13:21,385 --> 03:13:23,605
And thank you for this opportunity to comment on it.

3773
03:13:24,745 --> 03:13:26,485
My concern is the warning

3774
03:13:26,515 --> 03:13:29,965
that is stated in there about high density infilling

3775
03:13:30,665 --> 03:13:35,045
and evacuations, re restrictions on being able to get out

3776
03:13:35,635 --> 03:13:39,365
bottlenecks and like that planning can reduce risk

3777
03:13:39,385 --> 03:13:40,485
by reducing density.

3778
03:13:42,185 --> 03:13:44,525
The there is a conflict between the, the demand

3779
03:13:44,525 --> 03:13:47,965
for infilling and the demand for fire safety.

3780
03:13:48,185 --> 03:13:52,445
And it seems to me that instead of infilling to the maximum

3781
03:13:54,105 --> 03:13:58,365
number of units allowed that we cont tend towards

3782
03:13:58,925 --> 03:14:02,285
a more moderate amount of, of units going in

3783
03:14:07,615 --> 03:14:09,485
under what used to be normal conditions,

3784
03:14:09,485 --> 03:14:11,005
there would be no problem going forward.

3785
03:14:11,105 --> 03:14:12,245
But now we've all agreed

3786
03:14:12,245 --> 03:14:14,365
that the playing field has dramatically changed.

3787
03:14:14,945 --> 03:14:18,125
The brisk percentages stated in the study are nationally

3788
03:14:18,405 --> 03:14:21,605
Ashland is ranked in the top 97% of communities most likely

3789
03:14:21,905 --> 03:14:24,565
to suffer a catastrophic wildfire event.

3790
03:14:25,475 --> 03:14:28,325
This new information is being integrated through community

3791
03:14:28,325 --> 03:14:29,765
and city, city efforts.

3792
03:14:29,765 --> 03:14:31,645
However, the current plan

3793
03:14:31,705 --> 03:14:34,245
for high density infilling adds more people

3794
03:14:34,665 --> 03:14:36,845
and structures, which the wildfire

3795
03:14:36,905 --> 03:14:40,805
and evacuation studies advise against the Keal Park.

3796
03:14:40,935 --> 03:14:43,725
Phase three is a prime example of where it is possible

3797
03:14:43,725 --> 03:14:46,005
to act in Ashland.

3798
03:14:46,005 --> 03:14:50,165
The top wildfire concerned concern identified in the 2024

3799
03:14:50,275 --> 03:14:51,565
citizen survey was

3800
03:14:51,565 --> 03:14:54,965
that traffic bottlenecks blocked evacuation routes

3801
03:14:54,965 --> 03:14:58,725
and lack of alternatives to evacuation were most concerned.

3802
03:14:58,785 --> 03:14:59,845
The third highest was,

3803
03:15:00,495 --> 03:15:02,805
third highest concern was over narrow streets

3804
03:15:02,985 --> 03:15:05,365
and overdevelopment impeding evacuation.

3805
03:15:07,625 --> 03:15:09,645
As the Wildfire protection Plan states these

3806
03:15:09,645 --> 03:15:11,045
findings make one thing clear.

3807
03:15:11,185 --> 03:15:14,165
The greatest threat we face is not simply wildfire itself,

3808
03:15:14,185 --> 03:15:16,885
but unchecked development in high risk areas.

3809
03:15:17,345 --> 03:15:19,725
Unless we align our planning with reality,

3810
03:15:20,175 --> 03:15:21,325
lives will be at risk.

3811
03:15:22,105 --> 03:15:24,765
It is imperative that we reimagine both our community

3812
03:15:24,865 --> 03:15:27,285
and our behavior or we will face more frequent

3813
03:15:27,665 --> 03:15:30,365
and more severe losses as the climate continues to change.

3814
03:15:30,855 --> 03:15:32,765
Right now we have an enormous opportunity

3815
03:15:32,835 --> 03:15:34,805
with careful planning and decisive action.

3816
03:15:35,265 --> 03:15:39,045
We can prevent a catastrophic fire considering

3817
03:15:39,045 --> 03:15:40,725
that the Mountain Meadows Retirement

3818
03:15:40,745 --> 03:15:43,005
and Memory Care complex will be in jeopardy.

3819
03:15:43,825 --> 03:15:46,445
The proposed 38 unit development at Kestrel

3820
03:15:46,905 --> 03:15:49,085
and the 90 units planned at Main

3821
03:15:49,125 --> 03:15:51,725
and Mountain right across the street here

3822
03:15:52,505 --> 03:15:54,805
are gonna further impact safe evacuation.

3823
03:15:55,575 --> 03:15:56,605
Now's the time to act

3824
03:15:57,065 --> 03:16:01,925
and I hope that the city can, can lower its hopes

3825
03:16:01,945 --> 03:16:05,365
for maximum population infilling and, and,

3826
03:16:05,505 --> 03:16:10,365
and moderate the, the amount of of units

3827
03:16:10,435 --> 03:16:12,205
that are, are, are being proposed

3828
03:16:12,265 --> 03:16:13,925
for these developments. Thank you.

3829
03:16:14,735 --> 03:16:16,645
Thank you Aaron Muck.

3830
03:16:23,395 --> 03:16:23,685
Good

3831
03:16:23,685 --> 03:16:25,165
Evening mayor and council.

3832
03:16:25,515 --> 03:16:28,845
It's wonderful to see you all. My

3833
03:16:28,845 --> 03:16:30,485
Name is Erin, you can lift that microphone if you'd like.

3834
03:16:30,665 --> 03:16:31,845
That's helpful. You can lift it.

3835
03:16:32,055 --> 03:16:36,365
Thank you. Very helpful. My name is Erin O'Kelly Muck.

3836
03:16:36,595 --> 03:16:39,045
I've lived in Ashland since 2001

3837
03:16:39,425 --> 03:16:41,005
and I'm the executive director

3838
03:16:41,005 --> 03:16:43,205
of the Ashland Climate Collaborative.

3839
03:16:44,625 --> 03:16:48,565
The Ashland Climate Collaborative is a solutions focused

3840
03:16:48,915 --> 03:16:53,525
5 0 1 C3, founded in 2002 to serve as a hub

3841
03:16:54,545 --> 03:16:58,405
for community-based action to reduce our climate pollution

3842
03:16:58,985 --> 03:17:00,805
and to build a resilient community.

3843
03:17:01,935 --> 03:17:05,125
Today, our community is a growing number

3844
03:17:05,145 --> 03:17:09,245
of Ashland residents who want to take climate action

3845
03:17:09,625 --> 03:17:11,205
by switching from natural gas

3846
03:17:11,665 --> 03:17:15,445
to a hundred percent electric homes, walking, biking,

3847
03:17:15,585 --> 03:17:19,085
and rolling around town, sending our food scraps

3848
03:17:19,105 --> 03:17:21,725
for composting, conserving water,

3849
03:17:22,425 --> 03:17:24,365
and collaborating with our neighbors

3850
03:17:24,945 --> 03:17:26,965
to reduce wildfire risk.

3851
03:17:28,185 --> 03:17:30,325
All of these choices when taken

3852
03:17:30,365 --> 03:17:32,285
collectively make a difference.

3853
03:17:34,125 --> 03:17:37,565
Wildfire is Ashland's top public health and safety threat.

3854
03:17:38,805 --> 03:17:41,885
Ashland Climate was pleased to be a community partner

3855
03:17:41,955 --> 03:17:46,125
with the city of Ashland in the 2025 Better,

3856
03:17:46,665 --> 03:17:49,205
better prepared for wildfire series.

3857
03:17:50,225 --> 03:17:53,645
We believe that this program series was a great example

3858
03:17:54,185 --> 03:17:55,845
of community collaboration.

3859
03:17:57,025 --> 03:17:59,085
We applaud the thoughtful work

3860
03:17:59,085 --> 03:18:03,205
that went into crafting the 2025 Community Wildfire

3861
03:18:03,205 --> 03:18:07,565
Protection Plan and urge you to adopt the plan in full.

3862
03:18:08,945 --> 03:18:10,725
It is extremely comprehensive

3863
03:18:11,185 --> 03:18:13,885
and we believe that it offers an excellent blueprint

3864
03:18:14,345 --> 03:18:18,285
for reducing our risk of a catastrophic wildfire.

3865
03:18:20,005 --> 03:18:21,605
Ashland climate especially would like

3866
03:18:21,605 --> 03:18:23,445
to recognize the significant effort

3867
03:18:23,445 --> 03:18:24,925
that went into identifying

3868
03:18:25,425 --> 03:18:27,845
and presenting strategies to address the needs

3869
03:18:28,305 --> 03:18:31,605
of those in our community who are renters, as well

3870
03:18:31,605 --> 03:18:34,245
as our socially vulnerable households.

3871
03:18:35,705 --> 03:18:37,565
We would like to inform the mayor

3872
03:18:37,625 --> 03:18:41,285
and the council that the Ashland Climate Collaborative is in

3873
03:18:41,285 --> 03:18:42,645
the process of applying

3874
03:18:43,225 --> 03:18:45,685
for a grant from the Oregon Health Authority

3875
03:18:46,225 --> 03:18:47,245
to help coordinate

3876
03:18:47,325 --> 03:18:51,565
and accelerate the implementation of the CWPP.

3877
03:18:52,345 --> 03:18:55,565
If awarded, this grant would enable Ashland Climate

3878
03:18:55,665 --> 03:19:00,205
to establish the Ashland Wildfire Resilience Partnership

3879
03:19:00,745 --> 03:19:03,605
or A WRP as a hub

3880
03:19:03,705 --> 03:19:06,485
for community led wildfire risk reduction.

3881
03:19:07,385 --> 03:19:11,005
In addition, the project will shape whole community wildfire

3882
03:19:11,035 --> 03:19:13,245
risk reduction initiatives.

3883
03:19:13,545 --> 03:19:14,645
Oh my gosh, that was fast.

3884
03:19:16,385 --> 03:19:19,885
Our grant application has been largely authored by Cherise

3885
03:19:20,425 --> 03:19:24,725
AK and who served as lead community engagement liaison

3886
03:19:24,725 --> 03:19:25,965
for the CWPP.

3887
03:19:26,625 --> 03:19:28,805
She has worked closely with the leadership

3888
03:19:28,805 --> 03:19:30,605
of the Ashland Fire and Rescue,

3889
03:19:32,745 --> 03:19:35,565
and we are so excited to be a part of this.

3890
03:19:36,135 --> 03:19:37,135
Thank you.

3891
03:19:37,735 --> 03:19:41,485
Thank you. Any further questions of staff?

3892
03:19:42,675 --> 03:19:44,245
Okay. The floor is open for a motion.

3893
03:19:45,075 --> 03:19:46,805
Good. Okay. Councillor

3894
03:19:46,805 --> 03:19:47,805
Blum.

3895
03:19:47,805 --> 03:19:49,245
Thank you, mayor. I move to approve adoption

3896
03:19:49,245 --> 03:19:52,845
of the 2025 Ashland Community Wildfire Protection Plan.

3897
03:19:53,855 --> 03:19:55,325
Councillor Blum. Yeah.

3898
03:19:55,325 --> 03:19:56,845
Nice to make a positive motion here.

3899
03:19:57,865 --> 03:19:59,085
I'm proud to support this plan.

3900
03:19:59,635 --> 03:20:03,125
It's comprehensive community driven, gives us clear path to,

3901
03:20:03,225 --> 03:20:07,645
to reduce wildfire risk, thank you to everybody

3902
03:20:08,405 --> 03:20:09,845
involved and, and the community

3903
03:20:09,845 --> 03:20:11,445
getting involved and doing more.

3904
03:20:12,685 --> 03:20:15,805
Re said, well, it really, it takes all of us, you know, kind

3905
03:20:15,805 --> 03:20:18,565
of deciding psychologically that this is something

3906
03:20:18,565 --> 03:20:20,845
that we need to do and I think that it's evident

3907
03:20:20,915 --> 03:20:22,085
that we do need to do it.

3908
03:20:23,285 --> 03:20:25,805
I really look forward to all of us kind of getting

3909
03:20:25,805 --> 03:20:27,485
to work on this, so thank you so much.

3910
03:20:28,075 --> 03:20:31,245
Councilor, captain? Yes, I'd like

3911
03:20:31,245 --> 03:20:32,925
to echo Councillor Blum

3912
03:20:32,945 --> 03:20:34,885
and really appreciating

3913
03:20:34,885 --> 03:20:36,045
all the work that's been done in this.

3914
03:20:36,045 --> 03:20:37,805
It's been a long time coming.

3915
03:20:38,205 --> 03:20:39,525
I remember, I think one

3916
03:20:39,525 --> 03:20:42,765
of the first meetings at the OOSF rehearsal hall getting

3917
03:20:42,765 --> 03:20:45,205
everybody, I dunno what that was called, maybe

3918
03:20:45,205 --> 03:20:46,325
that was the MAC or something.

3919
03:20:46,345 --> 03:20:49,885
It was a big meeting with 60 or so people breaking

3920
03:20:49,895 --> 03:20:53,445
after that into working groups and trying, going out

3921
03:20:53,445 --> 03:20:56,605
and coming back and some of the researchers coming into

3922
03:20:56,665 --> 03:20:59,165
to a meeting that, that I participated in at,

3923
03:20:59,565 --> 03:21:01,565
I think it was at SOU somewhere.

3924
03:21:02,955 --> 03:21:04,845
It's just an enormous amount of work,

3925
03:21:04,865 --> 03:21:07,805
and I think it shows in this, in this document that you

3926
03:21:08,805 --> 03:21:11,765
produced, I think you've said pretty eloquently

3927
03:21:11,875 --> 03:21:13,565
that this is a real frame.

3928
03:21:13,565 --> 03:21:16,765
There's a lot of initiatives, you know, to, to take forward.

3929
03:21:16,905 --> 03:21:19,485
So it's really a jumping off point. It's a starting point.

3930
03:21:19,665 --> 03:21:22,165
We have to all build, build it together.

3931
03:21:23,525 --> 03:21:26,365
I appreciate what David Lane said is that, you know,

3932
03:21:26,365 --> 03:21:27,365
we don't know all the answers,

3933
03:21:28,345 --> 03:21:30,925
but we have to, we, we, failure is not an option

3934
03:21:31,225 --> 03:21:34,805
and we absolutely have to put our shoulders to the wheel

3935
03:21:34,825 --> 03:21:36,325
and work together and, and,

3936
03:21:36,385 --> 03:21:38,045
and figure it out and, and move along.

3937
03:21:38,105 --> 03:21:40,525
So thank you very much for giving us the,

3938
03:21:40,745 --> 03:21:42,925
the first push on this more than just a push

3939
03:21:43,265 --> 03:21:44,965
as a, or a shove I guess.

3940
03:21:45,585 --> 03:21:48,805
And, and I appreciate all that you've done

3941
03:21:48,805 --> 03:21:50,205
and be happy to support this

3942
03:21:50,535 --> 03:21:51,565
Councillor Duque.

3943
03:21:52,935 --> 03:21:57,405
Thank you. Yeah,

3944
03:21:57,805 --> 03:22:01,085
I think David Lane kind of cheered me

3945
03:22:01,795 --> 03:22:03,525
over onto the other side.

3946
03:22:04,155 --> 03:22:08,205
However, something that was brought up earlier

3947
03:22:09,655 --> 03:22:10,765
about density

3948
03:22:12,505 --> 03:22:16,565
and that's real evacuation that's real.

3949
03:22:18,665 --> 03:22:20,965
And we already have in place

3950
03:22:22,475 --> 03:22:26,045
that all new buildings will be built a certain way and,

3951
03:22:26,345 --> 03:22:30,205
and electrified and this and that, and I think that's great.

3952
03:22:31,725 --> 03:22:33,085
I am just hoping

3953
03:22:33,155 --> 03:22:36,165
that I'm still here when we develop the code so

3954
03:22:37,085 --> 03:22:38,565
I can give my 5 cents

3955
03:22:40,355 --> 03:22:43,045
because you know, we talk about equity,

3956
03:22:44,065 --> 03:22:47,885
so many people in Ashland are renters, 47%,

3957
03:22:48,985 --> 03:22:51,205
and just because you own a home doesn't

3958
03:22:51,205 --> 03:22:52,365
mean you're living large.

3959
03:22:53,345 --> 03:22:56,485
So my hope in seeing this through is

3960
03:22:56,485 --> 03:22:58,325
that it truly is equitable.

3961
03:22:59,285 --> 03:23:00,925
I still don't know where we're gonna get

3962
03:23:00,925 --> 03:23:02,925
that $10 million a year from,

3963
03:23:04,945 --> 03:23:09,925
and I just don't want that to be on the rate payers

3964
03:23:10,105 --> 03:23:13,605
and the people who really are struggling here in Ashland.

3965
03:23:14,075 --> 03:23:18,685
That is my reluctancy, that is my resistance.

3966
03:23:20,145 --> 03:23:22,325
So yeah, I'm done.

3967
03:23:22,435 --> 03:23:24,805
Councilor Dale, or excuse me, Councillor Sherell.

3968
03:23:26,235 --> 03:23:27,325
Just wanna say thanks again

3969
03:23:27,325 --> 03:23:28,685
for all the work that's went into this.

3970
03:23:29,605 --> 03:23:31,365
I I think if this vote goes well, you,

3971
03:23:31,365 --> 03:23:32,885
you'll probably both sleep really well tonight.

3972
03:23:32,885 --> 03:23:34,045
I know it's been a long journey

3973
03:23:34,705 --> 03:23:37,045
and just we're lucky to have you both.

3974
03:23:37,445 --> 03:23:38,805
I know growing up here and,

3975
03:23:38,825 --> 03:23:41,885
and seeing your career bloom, there was like regional awards

3976
03:23:41,905 --> 03:23:44,285
and regional training, then national, then international,

3977
03:23:44,285 --> 03:23:45,845
and then having you come into the community

3978
03:23:45,865 --> 03:23:49,165
and put in tens of thousands of hours probably on this.

3979
03:23:49,165 --> 03:23:51,445
We're just like really lucky to have a couple

3980
03:23:51,445 --> 03:23:53,605
of the smartest minds around doing this work

3981
03:23:54,465 --> 03:23:56,205
and I plan to support it. Thanks

3982
03:23:56,735 --> 03:23:57,735
Councillor Dale.

3983
03:23:57,975 --> 03:24:00,405
Thank you, mayor. Yes. I wasn't gonna speak to this just

3984
03:24:00,405 --> 03:24:01,845
because I don't think I could say it any,

3985
03:24:01,905 --> 03:24:03,405
any better than my colleagues here,

3986
03:24:03,435 --> 03:24:04,725
just a full support of this.

3987
03:24:04,825 --> 03:24:07,845
But, but Councillor DEA brought something up

3988
03:24:07,845 --> 03:24:10,845
and it, it made me think, I I just wanted to, to state that

3989
03:24:14,205 --> 03:24:18,445
I, I refuse to accept that intelligent density

3990
03:24:19,425 --> 03:24:23,365
of housing design cannot coexist with intelligent,

3991
03:24:23,675 --> 03:24:26,365
responsible community wildfire protection.

3992
03:24:27,045 --> 03:24:30,925
I, I don't think that you, I I just, I I find

3993
03:24:32,675 --> 03:24:36,525
refusal to provide adequate and well-intentioned

3994
03:24:36,525 --> 03:24:40,165
and designed housing to be the enemy of,

3995
03:24:40,585 --> 03:24:42,645
of wildfire protection.

3996
03:24:42,825 --> 03:24:46,245
We can do both. We have, there will always be a little bit

3997
03:24:46,245 --> 03:24:47,885
of risk in a forested community.

3998
03:24:48,045 --> 03:24:50,965
I live in a community that the area of town I live in,

3999
03:24:50,965 --> 03:24:53,605
it's just, I mean, for those that know,

4000
03:24:53,645 --> 03:24:55,645
I fly over this town all the time and look down

4001
03:24:55,865 --> 03:24:59,325
and there are a ton of trees and it is very dense

4002
03:24:59,745 --> 03:25:03,245
and that's just an somewhat of inherent risk.

4003
03:25:03,265 --> 03:25:04,845
And I appreciate all of our partnerships

4004
03:25:04,845 --> 03:25:07,125
that are working very hard to mitigate that

4005
03:25:07,145 --> 03:25:08,245
as best as possible.

4006
03:25:08,905 --> 03:25:10,565
But you can't bring risk to zero.

4007
03:25:11,105 --> 03:25:15,325
And I do not want any kind of, of, you know, the, the,

4008
03:25:15,325 --> 03:25:17,365
the proverbial perfection to be the enemy

4009
03:25:17,365 --> 03:25:19,925
of good when it comes because to housing.

4010
03:25:19,925 --> 03:25:21,445
Because housing

4011
03:25:21,545 --> 03:25:24,325
and infill density options are something

4012
03:25:24,325 --> 03:25:26,445
that this council looks at that we take very seriously.

4013
03:25:26,585 --> 03:25:28,245
And I, I really trust staff

4014
03:25:28,245 --> 03:25:29,765
and partnerships to get this right.

4015
03:25:29,885 --> 03:25:31,245
I, we don't have an option not to,

4016
03:25:31,745 --> 03:25:33,325
but I just, I refuse to accept

4017
03:25:33,325 --> 03:25:35,525
that they can't coexist in an elegant way.

4018
03:25:35,655 --> 03:25:37,045
Thank you. Councillor

4019
03:25:37,285 --> 03:25:38,285
Hansen.

4020
03:25:39,295 --> 03:25:41,765
Thank you Mayor Chris Cherise,

4021
03:25:41,765 --> 03:25:43,045
thank you both for coming back.

4022
03:25:43,325 --> 03:25:45,285
I really appreciated the first presentation

4023
03:25:45,705 --> 03:25:47,325
and I learned a lot

4024
03:25:47,585 --> 03:25:50,205
and going back over the plan I still think is fabulous.

4025
03:25:50,605 --> 03:25:51,765
I appreciated the memo too,

4026
03:25:52,385 --> 03:25:54,525
and that the city will lead by example

4027
03:25:54,695 --> 03:25:56,205
among other things in that memo.

4028
03:25:56,665 --> 03:26:00,725
And I most appreciate that this is a partnership

4029
03:26:01,355 --> 03:26:03,925
between so many different organizations

4030
03:26:04,065 --> 03:26:05,165
and I'm, I'm grateful

4031
03:26:05,315 --> 03:26:08,205
that the Climate collaborative is interested

4032
03:26:08,225 --> 03:26:09,325
to come on board to help.

4033
03:26:10,905 --> 03:26:13,445
We can't make people do things.

4034
03:26:14,185 --> 03:26:17,965
We want people, myself included, to be engaged

4035
03:26:18,225 --> 03:26:20,125
and to help the community out.

4036
03:26:21,525 --> 03:26:24,245
I know that there's gonna be some hard, I, I don't know.

4037
03:26:24,365 --> 03:26:27,805
I think that there's going to be some hard code decisions

4038
03:26:28,025 --> 03:26:30,285
for the state of Oregon collectively,

4039
03:26:30,625 --> 03:26:32,925
and I hope that it doesn't fall

4040
03:26:33,675 --> 03:26:37,605
with a heavy price tag on businesses and, and people.

4041
03:26:37,705 --> 03:26:39,525
But we're, we're, we're gonna figure it out.

4042
03:26:39,895 --> 03:26:41,165
We're gonna figure it out. And I

4043
03:26:41,165 --> 03:26:42,205
don't know, I don't know what that means.

4044
03:26:42,325 --> 03:26:45,445
I mean, five, 10 years from now, I'd love

4045
03:26:45,445 --> 03:26:50,125
to look back on this, but I'm in, I'm in a hundred percent.

4046
03:26:50,265 --> 03:26:53,085
So hold me accountable to that.

4047
03:26:53,145 --> 03:26:54,885
And, and I thank you for all your hard work

4048
03:26:56,705 --> 03:26:59,885
And I just want to thank all of the community members

4049
03:27:00,025 --> 03:27:02,365
and the staff who were involved in putting this together.

4050
03:27:02,835 --> 03:27:06,325
When the city passed the Climate Energy Action plan in 2017,

4051
03:27:06,385 --> 03:27:08,365
we understood that it was adaptation light,

4052
03:27:08,705 --> 03:27:13,325
but it did identify wildfires, our biggest climate threat.

4053
03:27:13,625 --> 03:27:14,685
And that threat has only

4054
03:27:14,685 --> 03:27:16,245
escalated in the last several years.

4055
03:27:16,305 --> 03:27:19,605
And so this is, this is a climate adaptation plan

4056
03:27:19,625 --> 03:27:23,165
and it avoids so many of the pitfalls that many communities

4057
03:27:24,315 --> 03:27:26,205
find when they're doing adaptation planning

4058
03:27:26,205 --> 03:27:30,765
because it, it, it imagines the reality that we are trying

4059
03:27:30,765 --> 03:27:33,365
to address it, it, it understands the,

4060
03:27:33,825 --> 03:27:36,325
the existential threat that wildfire poses to us.

4061
03:27:36,705 --> 03:27:39,685
And it lays out the full breadth of what we need to do.

4062
03:27:39,835 --> 03:27:41,645
Even though we don't know exactly yet

4063
03:27:41,665 --> 03:27:42,765
how we're going to get there.

4064
03:27:43,385 --> 03:27:45,325
And that those elements

4065
03:27:45,325 --> 03:27:48,605
and including the entire community are really the hallmarks

4066
03:27:48,665 --> 03:27:50,685
of an adaptation plan that will work.

4067
03:27:51,145 --> 03:27:54,725
So I also am all in, I believe this council is all in.

4068
03:27:55,025 --> 03:27:56,245
And thank you again so much.

4069
03:27:56,345 --> 03:27:58,605
We look forward to what those next steps might be.

4070
03:27:59,075 --> 03:28:01,285
There's no further discussion. Roll call please. Alyssa

4071
03:28:03,605 --> 03:28:04,605
Hanson.

4072
03:28:04,605 --> 03:28:05,685
Yes. Duquesne?

4073
03:28:14,945 --> 03:28:19,085
Yes. Kaplan? Yes. Bloom? Yes.

4074
03:28:20,085 --> 03:28:22,885
Dale? Yes. Sherell? Yes. Motion

4075
03:28:22,885 --> 03:28:23,885
Passed.

4076
03:28:23,885 --> 03:28:26,765
Thank you. And we're going to go by this clock, the 9 27.

4077
03:28:26,985 --> 03:28:30,005
So city manager, what do you have to report

4078
03:28:30,005 --> 03:28:31,125
to us from your report?

4079
03:28:32,245 --> 03:28:34,005
Speaking of wildfire, on August 21st,

4080
03:28:34,065 --> 03:28:37,645
we do have a free webinar called the Wildfire Prepared Home.

4081
03:28:38,745 --> 03:28:41,005
So you can find information on how

4082
03:28:41,005 --> 03:28:42,325
to sign up on our website.

4083
03:28:42,905 --> 03:28:45,005
It is over Zoom, so accessible to everyone.

4084
03:28:45,005 --> 03:28:47,605
Hopefully culvert work is happening.

4085
03:28:47,605 --> 03:28:50,205
There is a temporary bridge in place.

4086
03:28:50,305 --> 03:28:52,085
So the Wonder Trail on Wasabi Trails

4087
03:28:52,145 --> 03:28:55,085
and 2060 Forest Service Road are accessible.

4088
03:28:56,185 --> 03:28:57,485
So there is signage up there

4089
03:28:57,585 --> 03:29:00,645
that's hopefully steering people in the correct direction.

4090
03:29:01,305 --> 03:29:04,125
We have switched to a e-newsletter format

4091
03:29:04,805 --> 03:29:06,445
that you can subscribe to over email.

4092
03:29:07,265 --> 03:29:10,765
As of this week, we have over 900 subscribers, which is

4093
03:29:11,425 --> 03:29:14,045
pretty significant over three weeks.

4094
03:29:14,665 --> 03:29:16,645
And there is planner work going on downtown.

4095
03:29:16,745 --> 03:29:17,805
The sidewalks are open,

4096
03:29:17,825 --> 03:29:19,725
but you will see some construction with that

4097
03:29:20,655 --> 03:29:22,285
going on. Thank you.

4098
03:29:22,655 --> 03:29:23,845
Great, thank you.

4099
03:29:24,425 --> 03:29:26,805
And I know we generally would go to liaison assignments,

4100
03:29:26,805 --> 03:29:28,405
but we don't really have time for that tonight.

4101
03:29:28,405 --> 03:29:30,045
Thank you both so much for your presentation.

4102
03:29:30,835 --> 03:29:32,805
Just a reminder, the first meeting,

4103
03:29:32,945 --> 03:29:35,645
we will not have the first meeting in September

4104
03:29:35,875 --> 03:29:38,165
because of the Labor Day holiday.

4105
03:29:38,305 --> 03:29:40,125
So we'll see everyone in mid-September.

4106
03:29:40,985 --> 03:29:42,765
The floor is open for a motion to adjourn.

4107
03:29:42,905 --> 03:29:44,165
So moved. Second.

4108
03:29:44,985 --> 03:29:47,525
All in favor? Aye. Meeting is adjourned.