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All right, we will call to order the
Austin City Planning and Zoning

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Commission meeting for Tuesday, May
12th, 2026.

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Uh, I normally say in the packets was
the minutes from our last meeting, but

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there was no packet this time. Did
everyone find everything on Govwell?

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Okay, everyone managing to get the
information kind of.

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» So, the meeting minutes were out there
from our last meeting which was April

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14th. So, if no one has any additions or
corrections for those minutes, I need a

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motion and a second to approve them as
written.

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» Motion to approve the minutes.
>> Second.

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» Thank you. We have a motion from
Commissioner Burroughs and a second from

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Commissioner Shrock to approve the
minutes from April 14th as written. All

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in favor of the motion, please say I.
>> All oppose? No.

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» Motion carries. Those minutes are
approved.

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We have three open public hearings
tonight. The first one on the agenda is

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an application from John and Christy
Luna at 1,0423rd

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Avenue Southwest for a variance from
city code on accessory structures with

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aggregate square footage of 1,200 square
f feet.

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Yeah, as noted, uh the petitioners have
uh made an application uh for uh a

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variance due to having a a shed that was
um added without a permit and they had

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gone over the ordinance requirements.
The petitioner has three sheds and a

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detached garage for a total of 1,236
square feet. All but one of the sheds

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had existed before annexation into the
city of Austin.

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Uh the unpermitted shed was later added
to the west of the house for motorcycle.

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The petitioner is requesting a variance
from our city code which allows a

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maximum of two detached structures with
an aggregate square footage of 12,200

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square feet um for partial under one
acre. The property in question is

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approximately.7
acres. The variance request then of

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course would be to allow four detached
structure structures all are existing

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and increase the aggregate square
footage from 1,200 square ft to 1236

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square ft.
Um the planning commission and city

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council must decide if the request meets
statutory requirements for granting a

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variance. One, the variance is in
harmony with the general purposes and

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intent of the zoning ordinance. Two, the
variance is consistent with the

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comprehensive plan. Three, the proposal
puts the property to use in a reasonable

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manner. There are unique circumstances
to the property not created by the land

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owner. Variance if granted will not
alter the essential character of the

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locality in which the property is
situated. This is a recommendation to

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council. Planning commission may
approve, deny, or approve with

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conditions. And I do have pull the map
up here.

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It's not as smooth as I usually do it.
I'm still trying to figure out the new

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software that we're using. So, I'm going
to be flipping back and forth a little

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bit.
But this is the this is the area in the

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southwest. The neighborhood the parcels
are overall a little bit larger than our

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ordinary
older neighborhoods. I think

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I think this property was annexed in the
2000s.

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And the structure that we're talking
about is this to the west of the house

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in the attached garage.

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» So, I went by there today. That's the
metal one.

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» Yeah. Yeah. And the petitioners are here
if you would like them to answer any

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questions.
>> So, how big is that?

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» Um, if you could go up to the podium and
then just state your name and address.

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» Hello, my name is John Luna. I live at
10423rd Avenue Southwest. And right

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there, that garage is
for my motorcycle.

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» Right. The metal shed. How big is that
shed?

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» How big is that?
>> Oh, I'm sorry. It's uh 18 by 12.

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» That was constructed after annexation.
Is that correct?

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» Yeah, that's the only building I had um
we got annexed in 2003. And so um from

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my understanding when we had meetings on
this when we got annexed in that they

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were still our street was still going to
be zone that's commercial and the

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businesses that are on that street they
run you know so there is it there's more

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than one business on that street.
>> Yeah. They would have been uh

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grandfathered in essentially is the
term. Um so they would be considered a

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legal non-conforming use once they're
annexed in. Uh although

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But yeah, I'm not sure what the if it
was a commercial zone prior to being

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annexed.
>> I don't know how they can have a

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business if they didn't because the bus
company was there. Um, Palmer bus

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company was right down the road for me.
Uh, Durban's garage. We had a Payton

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company right at the end of the road. We
had Kilby's lawn service and we had a

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Casey mowing company there. So,
>> and to your point, I think uh

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Commissioner Woods, were you wondering
about the square footage?

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» Yeah, if it was under 200, he doesn't
have to permit it. So, it's 216. So,

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» that would be required, but I think was
this a bought uh pre-made or did you

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» I built it.
>> You built it. Okay.

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» Yeah, it was a hit and so um it been up
for five years at least.

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So, it just didn't get built.
And I don't know why all of a sudden,

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you know, they were coming around asking
for money for this.

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The three sheds that I had were there
when I we got in. So, I just wanted to

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point that out.
>> We normally do investigate based on

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complaints and so we had gotten a
complaint from someone and then that led

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to this current uh variance matter.
>> Yeah. If you seen if you drove by my

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house and seen that shed, it has a
garage door in front of it. So, it's

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nothing's sticking out or you can't see
in it or out. So, it's all and I got

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plants growing around it. So, it's
decent.

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» Yeah, I've been by there. It's very
clean and neat and wellkept.

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» Yeah. Lot number 15 or whatever there
is. That's are not 15 but on the other

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side. I mean kitty corner. If you drove
by my house you hadn't seen that house

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cuz that house is you know a wreck. So
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» Yeah that one I think it is.
>> Yeah we've had some cases with them

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» and it still isn't cleaned up. And then
we got Charlie that owns that building

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next to me that's been there since I Bob
I think Kudson died in in 2000. So, um,

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» is that this is that this one on the
west or the east?

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» East.
>> On the east side. Yeah.

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» There's all them buildings right there
that he owns are Oliver owns and he's

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left them there. I had three graduations
at my house and the people walking by uh

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seeing, you know, seeing that house.
It's just a brick house doing nothing.

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Broken windows and I don't understand
it.

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» Yeah, we have a case with that, too.
So,

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» I guess my house is I I don't see
anything wrong with it. You know, I

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everything's cleaned and
so I I can't believe I'm here and

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Charlie Farber and other guys are here.
>> What specifically was the complaint?

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» You remember?
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I think having

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uh I think just it was having excess
number of

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» number of buildings structures. Yeah. It
wasn't that there was anything

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» uh you know I guess
in poor condition or anything like that.

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» [clears throat]
>> So square footage wise it's six six

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square feet is
>> it's a little bit over the

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» exception for building code
>> so there would have to be a conversation

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about permitting it that could be a
condition I guess if you know you wanted

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to approve it
um

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that it just
meet building code or be able to be

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permitted
>> I have a question is

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» my garage and the three sheds in the
back were there when I got anx. They

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took 10 ft of my yard to make that boat
there. So, um, and now you guys want to

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charge me $300 for a variance and
another whatever it is to have the

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permit that I built 5 years ago.
>> It was actually public right away, but

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it felt like your yard because
>> it was I had a ditch in culprit that I

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put in. I had mow my lawn all the way up
in that ditch. So, you guys didn't know

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it. If I would have known that, you guys
could have paid no motive. So, but they

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took a lot of it. They took a lot of my
land and Oh, wow.

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» the the other structures are considered
illegal use,

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but when you put something new,
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totals.
>> I don't see why.

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But anyway, like I said, it was
commercial. We were zoning in. They told

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us we were going to stay commercial on
that street. So,

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There's businesses on that street. If
you drove by it today, then you'd know

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see the businesses there.

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» Well, everything, and the city attorney
can catch me if I'm wrong, everything

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when it's annexed in is annexed in is
R1. Correct. So things that were

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something else are just automatically
non-compliant.

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We don't make you go back and change it,
but you're non-compliant going forward.

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So as long as you don't add anything
new, you're fine. Like Holly said,

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adding the building after that. That's
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But
>> any other commissioners got any other

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questions?
>> Well, if we don't want recommend the

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[clears throat] council to to let this
go, what's what's the options for Mr.

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Luna tear?
>> Uh just removing the structure

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» and and it's it looks like it's pretty
close to the house. I did not get to

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drive by, but it's darn near attached,
right?

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» It's right up against the house. Yeah,
if it was attached to that

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» because, you know, so they could
potentially remove one of their existing

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structures, you know, and replace it
with this one to get to the square

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footage or number of structure
requirement, but they have three. So,

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this is four. So, they'd have to do
quite a lot of

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um you know, changing things around just
to have this one.

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» But if it was attached, would that
change things? What's that?

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» If it was attached to the home, would
that change things?

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» Uh, yeah. We don't count the So, what's
the stipulations or requirements to make

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that attached?
>> Uh, good question. Yeah, I don't know

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what the
>> 2x4 and a couple nails type thing. I

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mean, I'm I'm sure it's not that simple.
>> We talked about that before.

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» Yeah, I think uh on attached we have to
have it um foundation on it. So,

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» and it doesn't have it's on concrete.
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» it's sitting on a concrete slab next to
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the house. Yeah, it's a standalone metal
shed.

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» Y
>> it looks nice. It's white.

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» Yeah.
>> So, what are the other sheds for?

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» I have my garage, three garage there
that I use to do work in. And then I

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have a yard shed. And the other shed is
for storage. When we take out our our um

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furniture in the winter, we put all our
furniture in that,

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our outside furniture.

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So again, it's not uncommon for rural
properties that are annexed into the

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city to have multiple, you know, out
buildings or detached structures. Um

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» there's this is probably not the only
one in town,

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» right?
um where there's this kind of

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circumstance where they maybe added a
shed [snorts] without, you know, maybe

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realizing that they had a limitation or
thinking that they were, you know,

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grandfathered in that it didn't count or
something along those lines.

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But we kind of we have to address it
like it's like running a stop sign. Did

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you or didn't you? So, we're just
following the letter of our ordinance.

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The only option would be to get a
variance potentially or to do one of the

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things that we discussed as an
alternative.

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» We we are not here to decide the cost of
the variance or the payment of the

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variance. We're here to decide whether
or not to issue the variance

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» for the building or not. Correct.
>> You would use that list of items that I

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read off as a guideline.
The one on the staying with the

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character of the neighborhood is
irrelevant, believe me, to drive into

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there. One of the nicer properties
actually.

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So, yeah. Do you want me to just quick
go through those again? So, just the

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variances in harmony with the general
purposes and intent of the zoning

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ordinance. Um, in this instance, it's a
detached structure we

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typical to res.
areas. The variance is consistent with

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comprehensive plan. The proposal puts
the property to use in a reasonable

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manner. The there are unique
circumstances to the property not

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created by the land owner. The variance
if granted will not alter the central

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character of the locality in which the
property is situated. I mean, you could

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often make arguments either way on any
of those.

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» Okay. Any more questions for Mr. Luna?
>> All right. You can sit down. Thank you

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for coming tonight and answering our
questions.

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» Yeah, thank you.
>> Not all petitioners show up, so we

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appreciate that. It helps make a
decision. Uh if there's no more

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questions from the commissioners,
anybody ready to make a motion?

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» I'll make a motion to approve.

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» All right. Anybody want a second?
>> Second.

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» All right. So, thank you. We have a
motion from uh Commissioner Bartley to

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recommend the council to approve the
request for the variance and a second

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from Commissioner uh May or Mark.
[laughter]

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Any further discussion?
Hearing none, we'll go ahead and vote.

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All in favor of the motion, please say
I.

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» I.
>> All oppose? No.

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» Motion carries. Variance is approved or
the recommendation of the council is

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approved. So, this will go to council
meeting on Monday for final decision.

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» Thank you.
>> You're welcome.

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» So, next up, another open hearing.
>> I just have a correction on this one.

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» Sure.
>> Let me see here.

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» Now, you guys,
>> you're good. [snorts]

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» Where am I? Okay.

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» All right. So, the this is not public
hearing. This is actually a fence

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appeal.
>> Okay.

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» Don't send out notices for this one.
>> Um and the individual's name, this was

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copied from our I think our
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our GIS map, but it's the gentleman's
name is Ray Mundo Solidad.

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Just that those are the only two
corrections I have on this one.

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Oh, I guess I should say it's after the
fact, but we've already voted on it. But

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I did have contact from neighbor a
neighbor on the prior matter and uh they

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were they were not concerned although
the neighbors were talking about it.

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So this is um so this is for Rayundo
Soladad

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104th Street Southwest. Um this property
is in a residential area R2 multif

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family. Uh is surrounded by also by
multif family community business and

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single family to the south. The
petitioner is appealing from our fence

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ordinance ordinance code uh city code
4.70 subdivision division 5 which limits

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fences constructed in front yards to 36
inches in height unless substantially

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open. A solid or opaque fence may be
constructed but must be set back 25 ft

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in the front yard and 12 and a half ft
in a sideyard in an R1 residential

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district. The petitioner wishes to add a
six foot privacy fence between his house

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and garage to the sidewalk. Uh the home
is set back approximately 13 feet and

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the garage approximately 16 ft which is
obviously less than 20 25 foot

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requirement. Um we do allow the fence to
start at the house uh set back uh based

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on the fact that the house is already
going to be an obstruction. Um the

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proposed
uh Let's see. We also have a 15 foot

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sight triangle uh that should be
maintained where the fence will

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interfere with traffic or pedestrian
visibility across the driveway, street,

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alley, or sidewalk. Um the maximum
height fe uh feet, the maximum fence

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height for
uh the front yard could be uh extended

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to four feet if if the last foot was
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Um
the proposed in this instance is

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adjacent to an alley, sidewalk, and
driveway. A six foot privacy fence would

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obstruct views for pedestrians and
drivers in those locations. Uh staff

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suggests that the fence only go to the
garage on the west side of the driveway

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and that the fence be installed in an
angle on the east side of the driveway

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to prevent visual obstructions, drivers,
pro protect pedestrians. This is also a

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recommendation to council. The planning
commission may approve, deny, or approve

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with conditions.
I have

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here somewhere.

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This is what this is the drawing that he
had submitted.

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All right. Well, that didn't work. Let's
see. So, he had proposed

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um

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fencing in this area along the sidewalk
to connect a fence to from his house to

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garage and then um and then fencing in
that area from the garage along the

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sidewalk. He doesn't have a

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a draw a line here, but he intended to
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and this I had drawn up. Our engineering
department did this thing for me. It

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just shows what if we had 15 foot sight
lines, what that would kind of measure

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here on this side, on the west side
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then on the east side along the
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the um
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one suggestion was to just have the
fence start here because of these two

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sight lines.
I have not talked to the petitioner

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about that and then the other would be
to have like have this at an angle and

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there could be a variance from the 15
foot if the if the planning commission

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recommended. Um
but uh those were the main areas of

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concern. Uh, we do again. So, I'm using
the new software and it should be

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sending email notifications to the
petitioner. So, I he should have gotten

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notice that the meeting was tonight, but
again, I have not spoken to him. He was

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pretty responsive
um about filing the application and uh

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getting everything submitted that he
needed. So, I'm not sure

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why he's not here tonight, but
but if you have any questions,

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» it's disappointing that he's not here
because this one definitely requires

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some conditions, I think, for approval.
I went and looked at this one also and

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uh
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the the biggest issue that I saw that
alleyway on the left side, that thing is

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really narrow. I drive a pickup. I hard
to get in, I think. And you can't hardly

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see it from the picture, but on the left
side of that alley, you can leave that

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picture up. I'll
>> sure. Okay.

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» The one that was up the aerial photo.
>> Yeah. There you go.

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» The left side of that alley, that's a
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» Oh,
>> it comes right to the sidewalk. So, you

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got no vision looking to the west
already coming out of that alley. You

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can't see that sidewalk or anything till
you're over it. And so coming back to

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the east where he wants to put the fence
in that corner, that would be this. I

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mean, you'd be coming out of a tunnel.
You'd be on the sidewalk before you can

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see anything in either direction. And
then at the garage, you would need

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another 15 foot triangle. So you'd have
this fence would just be a point down

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there in the corner, which is kind of
pointless. So I agree with Stash's

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recommendation completely for the alley
side. That piece of fence should come

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straight across to the garage. shouldn't
even come any farther toward the

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sidewalk. It's just going to be too
dangerous.

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So then that leaves the one on the east
side of the garage. Same thing there.

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You you won't be able to see around that
fence until you're on the sidewalk. In

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fact, halfway down the driveway. And so
that for sure has to have the 15t

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triangle to be approved. In my in my
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if those conditions were met, I think
it's probably okay. Those are two big

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ones that jumped out at me when I looked
at it. Well, you certainly could make

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that decision or make that condition and
then if the petitioner decided they

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didn't want to do that, they they would
just not go through with the fence

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installation.
>> In fact, I would even be open to

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discussion that instead of doing the
15oot triangle, bring the front of the

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garage, bring the fence straight over to
the house there, too. And don't even

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come out towards the sidewalk.
>> He would still have his fencing yards

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for the safety that he's looking for.
And they could still go. I think I

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assume they're they're moving from
inside the garage into the house behind

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the fence is what he said. He has kids
and dogs or kids and a dog that they

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want to
>> I mean it's a little yard is that's a

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» I was just going to say that's going to
pull up a

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» glide across. It's just tiny.
>> But none of these concerns if they just

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follow our fence ordinance of having a
three foot chain length fence here we

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wouldn't have to worry about sight.
>> True. If they that's an alternative

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» and it also meets his requirements of
safety,

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» right? They could have an open fence
like a chain link fence and they put it

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right up.
>> Follow the our regulations. He'd solve

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the problem.
>> Yeah, true. I mean, he wouldn't he

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really wouldn't need a variance if he
just put the fence right at where the

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garage is and
>> actually went to the house. And so

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those are two options.
>> It wouldn't be approved with conditions.

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It would be
>> deny.

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» Deny,
>> right? And then those would be the

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options available that were left if you
denied the variance.

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» It's my two cents.

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[clears throat]
>> Because I have serious concerns about

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sight lines on a very populated street,
especially with construction now in that

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area. You're going to have people
sneaking through on those alleyways. And

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then not to mention, having seen so much
squad video at Nauseium watching law

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enforcement try to go through some of
these alleyways with these huge privacy

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fences, it becomes a major public safety
concern. There's not enough lighting. I

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just sort of go, we don't need more
privacy fences to close in on that area

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in my humble opinion.
>> I agree. I agree.

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chain link or nothing.
>> That's how I feel. That would

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» that would be chain link or set back to
the structures.

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» Yeah.
>> What's that?

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» Three feet or nothing. He can go opaque
if it's

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» right. It could be privacy but shorter.
>> Yeah. Right.

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» That would help a lot with the dogs
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» can he go six foot chain link and leave
it open?

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» No. Not in the front four foot limit in
the front yard.

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» Don't know what their dogs are, but
Well, did he even say dogs? Because I

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thought the issue was kids and he's
claiming

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» insurance. Yeah,
>> right. It was insurance. They had a

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trampoline or something.
>> Well, that's a whole different issue,

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[laughter]
>> cuz now we're dealing with why he needs

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a privacy fence.
I mean, it's been a while since I did

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civil, but [laughter]
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» so that makes sense. The insurance
recommendation. I'm sure their insurance

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company wants them to keep that.
>> So where would you have a trampoline

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when you have cut in six foot privacy
fences? [laughter]

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» Kids would be bone set off the
>> right. Yeah.

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» I
>> sounds like you guys are ready for a

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motion.
>> I make a motion to recommend denying the

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fence appeal.
>> Yes.

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» Is this a recommendation to council or
is this us?

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» This is a recommendation to council.
>> Okay.

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All right, I have a motion. Do I have a
second?

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» Second.
>> All right, thank you. A motion from

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Commissioner Burroughs and a second from
Commissioner Shrock to recommend the

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council to deny the
fence appeal.

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Any further discussion?
All in favor of the motion, please say

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I.
>> I.

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» All oppose? No.
>> Motion carries. Recommendation to

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council is to deny.

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Last item.
Good old 2045 comprehensive plan.

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[laughter]
>> The good old

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» Okay, let me see. I had the staff report
up here somewhere, but Oh, here we go. I

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should have printed this off because I
can't do this along with the uh

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PowerPoint, but um if you were able to
look at some of these uh links, were

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were most of you able? This is This is a
public hearing. We were hoping some

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public would show up,
but uh we all count.

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» Um if you did you have a chance to look
at the uh online items at all? Okay.

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» Well, we'll go through a PowerPoint so
you'll get a kind of an overview of the

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pro project.
>> Um so we started this project in 2024.

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Um it was the city of Austin and M
County which is pretty uh novel uh

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approach to doing a future land use
plan. Um, I think most communities there

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are different jurisdictions do them, you
know, as their budget allows. There's

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not really a lot of opportunity in
general probably to do them together,

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but I would say that this is probably
the best way to do it. Um,

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not only did we have, you know,
additional outreach, but we had, um,

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just a lot of, uh, you know, additional
interactions with our staff, the county

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staff, Austin utilities, and just
finding areas where we we complement

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each other and where there might be
friction, and just being able to either

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get some of those issues on the table to
discuss and then maybe address some of

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them in our comprehensive plan as well.
And then also we were able to do um with

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impact Austin uh Nick Nabatne was uh the
spearheading the community engagement

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for us and that was just phenomenal
having one individual that was really um

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u taking the lead in the community
engagement. Although of course, you

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know, myself and my counterpart Val Shei
at the county were also doing community

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engagement as well as well as our um our
consultants were helping us facilitate

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those uh contacts as well.
Um so since the start of uh the planning

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process we've had over what I think
12,000 community um interactions uh and

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that was captured through the project
website open houses popup workshops

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inerson meetings interactive maps
surveys uh student engagement advisory

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meetings uh meetings with uh specific
groups uh within Austin the and the

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public uh input is related to each topic
is summarized in their respective

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chapters. So the all of the information
we got from the public is you know

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looked at and analyzed and our
professional consultants planners um

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with and Mark Nolan here was the one
that led the the project on the city

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side. Um they figure out the way to best
make all of these these things that the

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community wants happen through planning.
uh processes whether it's uh you know

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zoning or transportation recommendations
or housing uh solutions. Those things

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are you know we're we have a certain
toolbox. We can't do all of the things

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to make those happen but we can do the
things um within our our specific area

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of expertise.
Um and then again uh let's see going

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beyond our traditional comprehensive
planning the plan also integrates a

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playbook uh that includes concepts such
as uh food city. This will expand expand

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opportunities for business development,
entrepreneurship, community character,

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tourism, entertainment, arts, culture,
agriculture, parks and open space. Um it

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included concepts for improving downtown
and surrounding neighborhoods as well as

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establishing a regional park. Um this uh
primarily was spurred by a desire to um

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improve our downtown, but also we looked
at this with more of a regional lens and

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also um you know how everything is
connected and how the county and the

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city uh work together to
uh to improve things that are going on

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in our in our downtown.
The um draft of the comprehensive plan

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was published on the project website
uh for public review on March 30th. In

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in addition, we have an online story map
version of the plan which is just a

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shorter interactive version that
summarizes the plan and the

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implementation process um and highlights
key recommendations from each chapter.

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Uh the requested action tonight is um
well, we will present the draft

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comprehensive plan for your review and
comment and then request that you

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forward the draft to Austin City Council
for final review and approval. Following

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adoption, the plan will guide future
land use decisions, capital

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improvements, and policy initiatives
with the playbook supporting both near

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and long-term implementation actions.
And um so anyone anyone who wants to

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live and work in Austin potentially
utilize the information in this

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comprehensive plan.
And let's see. So, with that, I'll pull

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up our PowerPoint and get that started

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my little arrows here.
So, the purpose of the plan is to guide

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our growth and quality of life for the
next 20 years. Um, sets goals and

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strategies for a range of topics that
are communitydriven.

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um used uh it'll be a you tool used by
pretty much as I noted earlier anyone

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who's living or interested in work uh
having a business in Austin um and it

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should be updated every 12 10 years to
reflect changing conditions we're right

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on right on track we uh did our last
comprehensive plan in 2016 and I was

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here for that process and again it's
just like a night and day difference.

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There's nothing wrong with doing it the
way that we did it previously. It's just

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that this just gives us so many more
opportunities to do it collaboratively.

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So just uh putting that into words here.

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And then how does it differ from our
traditional comp plan or previous comp

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plan
regional collaboration? more robust

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public engagement, includes the playbook
with initiatives that feed into the

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plan's goals, and shifts the community
identity to build on culture,

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recreation, arts, food, downtown, and
tourism. And then I think I can let Mark

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take it from here. Am I am I into the
Yeah, you can.

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Thanks, Holly. I'm Mark Nolan with SE.
Thanks you. Thanks to the commissioners

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for having me in to speak with you
tonight. I I do want to repeat some of

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what Holly said. This is this, you know,
this is part of the adoption process and

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a celebration of of this planning effort
and it really was a pleasure working

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with staff and the steering committee
and the public. And we're going to talk

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about how all of that came together
here. And so I'm going to click through

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um some of these. Also, some of the
other things we looked at in comparing

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to the previous plan is uh looking at
evaluating tax revenue per acre. That's

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part of that playbook that we had talked
about to help determine um the locations

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potential locations of future
development. Again, looking at that food

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systems approach and the value of of uh
agriculture to the county and um also to

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the city itself. and then identifies a
catalytic triad model for a dynamic

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implementation. We'll speak to that here
in a little bit. So the plan itself, if

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you've had a chance to look at it, it's
kind of divided into three general

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sections. The first section is more the
introduction. Um gives some background,

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talks about the community profile,
trends, demographics, etc. And then also

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summarizes the engagement that that we
had experienced during this plan. We'll

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talk about that in a little bit. This
middle section really is the meat of the

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plan. It's that um more of the core
elements of the plan. Land use, housing,

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economic development, transportation,
utilities, and then parks and

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recreation. We will review these quickly
here in a little bit. And then of course

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where the rubber hits the road the
implementation chapter at the end which

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really talks about identifying action
steps responsible parties when those uh

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can occur and what's really wonderful
about this process is that some of this

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implementation has already begun even
before the plan had ended.

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So again, beyond uh traditional
comprehensive planning, um this playbook

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that was developed, it is a very I don't
know if you all had a chance to see it.

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00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:23,680
It's a very dense document. It's filled
with lots of wonderful information and

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00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:27,760
our partners um Dan Hins at the um
velocity group uh and the sub

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00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:31,280
consultants that worked with him played
a real key role here with this with this

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plan for both the city and the county. I
want to make sure that they they get

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their kudos for putting this playbook
together, looking at branding, food

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systems, again, downtown tourism, arts,
economics, open space, and parks in a

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little bit more detail. Um that was then
incorporated into the rest of the

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planning chapters.
And so this is the vision statement that

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the community developed along with our
uh planning advisory committee. I'll

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just go ahead and read this. The city of
Austin is a vibrant and diverse

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community offering a rich blend of
culture, education, and nature. It's a

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place where people are connected by a
strong sense of community and history.

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It fosters innovation, inclusivity, and
tradition, making it an ideal place to

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live, visit, work, and start a business.

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And so, um, what how all of that came
together started with community input.

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Again, looking at demographic and market
research and and looking at current

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conditions and trends in future
forecasting for growth combined with

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some of the best practices that our team
brings to the table and ends up with the

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overall goals and strategies for the
planning process. And the way that those

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are kind of determined is everything
starts again with engagement. And

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through engagement and working with
staff and the steering committee, we

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come up with that plan vision. And then
that plan vision is re is reflected

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throughout each of the chapters by a set
of goals. So for example, example that

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land use chapter will have goals
specific to land use but that also

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support the overall plan vision. And
then each of the strategies, there are

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strategies listed under each goal which
are more like action steps to achieve

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those goals. Again, working towards that
20-year plan vision.

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And so each chapter is structured in a
similar way, each of those core chapters

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to make the the plan more easily uh
digestible uh to a variety of audiences.

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So we start with Austin today. So
existing conditions um summaries of what

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we've heard from the public that are
specific to each chapter and then out of

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that comes opportunities and
recommendations and again those goals

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and strategies.
So, an example of that is in the housing

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chapter where we've got a quick summary
here of some of those existing

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conditions about housing in uh in
Austin. And then followed by some kind

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of infographics, kind of easy to read
and digest information about what we

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heard from the public regarding housing
um and neighborhoods in Austin. Then

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00:39:05,359 --> 00:39:10,640
again, looking at opportunities and
recommendations here. This one talks

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about those districts, experienced
districts throughout downtown. And then

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again some goals and strategies uh at
the end of each chapter.

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And again we just want to revisit uh the
playbook again. So uh the chapters are

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on the lefth hand side um stitching
together land flavor in place. Again,

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this was a very um large effort that the
team and the sub consultants put

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together working with the community on
on things that really focus on um

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systems that tie the whole community
that's a city and county together, but

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then also focusing on implementation and
big ideas. So again, those topics that

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we've been discussing here, tourism uh
food system and downtown

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and some of those playbook elements um
that really stand out um from farmland

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to fork again the food system strategies
looking at agriculture and local food

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production even culinary
entrepreneurship uh within the city

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itself and looking at food access and
equity

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uh tourism and the Austin Mau story. We
had a self consultant who kind of really

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focused on on emphasizing tourism here
um and strengthening Discover Austin's

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capacity and funding. That's a really
key point here is looking at funding

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opportunities for Discover Austin to be
able to implement some of these ideas.

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Looking at festivals, cultural tourism,
etc.

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[clears throat] The section called
grounded and welcome really looks again

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at downtown Austin. this very high level
kind of downtown plan for the city. Um,

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separating the city into different what
were called experience districts that

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have unique identities, looking at mixed
use development and housing downtown.

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Uh, public realm improvement
and then uh in the end looking at

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potential zoning and land use reform to
be able to support the recommendations

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and then arts and culture development as
well. This kind of all ties in around

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that looking at public art and cultural
programming and inclusive and accessible

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arts initiatives.
So another key aspect of this and and

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part of the development of the framework
and those other uh food systems and

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00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:24,400
related components were the development
of communities of practice that helped

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00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:29,839
advance the food city initiative. And so
these were groups that met that formed

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during the process and and met
sporadically throughout the the process

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and really it talked about access, food
uh production, community branding and

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00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:43,839
education. Um and then also there were
district councils that were set up for

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each of those um downtown districts. So
there's a a set group of folks that met

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representing each district along with
those communities of practice. And one

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of the key aspects of this is these are
groups that already exist. And the idea

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here is that momentum was building
throughout this process. And you know

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hopefully this that momentum could be
carried uh through implementation as the

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plan uh is adopted and implemented over
time.

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So I'm going to try and fairly quickly
review each of the chapters a couple of

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slides a piece. I'm not going to read
every every word here, but just wanted

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to highlight um really about the
community engagement in this plan. So,

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Holly mentioned the total engagement
touch points that we've had here. Um I

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00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:38,560
can't overemphasize the um you know,
Nick and and that group Impact Austin

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00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:42,800
coming through and and helping us reach
just an amazing amount of folks here in

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the community. This is a list of of of
some of those tools that we used to do

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that. So, of course, a website,
in-person meetings, openhouse, we had an

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00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:58,240
email list, social media, schools, etc.
So, some of the things that Holly

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covered in the staff report,
and again, um the engagement throughout

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00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:08,880
this process was was really um
inspiring. So over 5,000 individual

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00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:12,400
visitors to the website,
16,000 interactions. That's

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00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:18,400
persontoperson interactions throughout
various um meetings, over 100 meetings,

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00:43:15,359 --> 00:43:24,079
workshops, tableabling events, um etc.
Some of you folks came to some of those.

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00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:28,160
We had over 100 comments on our map. Our
project advisory committee met 11 times.

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We've got a representative here. Thank
you, Steve, for coming tonight. Um Steve

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00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:37,920
has been a very active member of that
committee and um also had over 400

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00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:42,640
responses to our surveys, just a few
photos, in-person openhouse, virtual

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00:43:41,119 --> 00:43:48,160
openhouse.
We had an online interactive map tabled

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at the state fair
and

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00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:54,079
» I'm sorry,
>> county fair

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and thank you. Uh also some of those
community of practice groups. Um and

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also uh we had attack. So, this was a
combined group between the county and

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00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:06,880
the city that met a handful of times
throughout the process just to make sure

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that we're all coordinating. Um, Austin
Utilities also was part of that

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committee.
And then interactive um workshops we had

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with our project advisory committee as
well.

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So, the land use chapter um covers the
future land use of the city of Austin.

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So this is uh what the land use guidance
looks like over the next 20 years. So

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the 2016 comprehensive plan had these
land use categories that you all are

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00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:43,760
probably pretty familiar with. The
categories as being recommended right

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now are fairly similar. Um I think one
of the key differences um is the

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residential land use categories now have
mixed residential u categories. uh that

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00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:59,680
mixed allowing um you know corner store,
coffee shops, some of those neighborhood

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00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:06,720
type of potential retail uses and other
uses that can be more associated with uh

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a residential neighborhood. Um another
um category agricultural was added as

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00:45:09,119 --> 00:45:12,119
well.

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I won't dive into this um but here is
that future land use map. Um, you know,

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we went through a process of iteration
with Holly and city staff, u providing

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00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:29,839
her with an interactive map for staff to
use to be able to look at recommended

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land use changes over the next 20 years.
And so that's what this map represents.

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» The urban influence areas. Thank you.
So, um, so the striped areas on the

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outside of, um, on the edges of this,
uh, of this map are what we're calling

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urban influence areas. Those are areas
within the extr territorial jurisdiction

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around the city. And these areas were
determined and identified again along

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with the county and city staff as well
as Austin utilities. Um, and a lot of

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these were were there are variety of
reasons that these areas were chosen,

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but one of them is is being able to
serve these areas with utilities um,

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without trying to leapfrog into other
areas um, as well as some existing

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00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:29,359
information that city staff had about
interest in some of these areas. So, um,

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so that's what we identified alongside
with the county.

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» So, what do you mean by that? Those are
areas you've targeted for annexation. Is

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that what you're saying?

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00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:46,560
So these were areas where there were
potentially concerns about um so if

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annexation was
technically yes annexation potentially

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00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:56,400
in the future it might be decades into
the future but these are areas where as

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Mark had noted um there's infrastructure
available um whether it's water uh sewer

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um or there may be instances where there
may be a neighborhood that's existing

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00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:15,440
ing that is struggling with their
existing um on-site septic systems. Um

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and they don't really have any options
other than to either um use a holding

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00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:27,839
tank or um connect to city sewer. So
yeah, I mean some of these areas, I mean

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00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:33,680
right now it's just not feasible to
provide uh sewer or other utilities, but

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um just by kind of mapping this out,
this kind of helps everybody get on the

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00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:43,200
same page that um
so you're saying both the city and the

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county
agree that in terms of of planning in

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the future to assume that these areas
would someday be part of the city and

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00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:57,680
Austin Utilities. Yeah. Areas where they
>> territory.

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00:47:54,560 --> 00:48:03,599
» Yeah. Where they could extend water or
uh other, you know, other gas, electric.

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» Would that be a forced annexation
>> as a property owner in that area? A

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couple properties.
>> You know,

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» I'm now concerned. I would say that we
we have we have done big projects with

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multiple homeowners and there may be a
couple of homeowners that don't want to

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be annexed in that do end up being
annexed in. But generally

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um generally we won't force people to
annex in unless they're you know they

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00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:34,400
they really have to because they don't
have any other options. the county is

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typically, and I don't want to speak for
them, but they're not going to really

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00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:43,200
uh
generally agree to holding tank option.

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Um, no, they won't.
>> So, they're [laughter] so they're gonna

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00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:50,800
» they're just going to say you're, you
know, either connect to sewer if it's

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available or if we can do a project in
the future. Usually, we try to uh apply

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00:48:54,240 --> 00:49:01,280
for some grants that are available
through the state to try to defay the

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cost of extending sewer. Um but
>> right, but if you're in a situation

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» we do wanna but we do want to talk about
also um getting on the same page with

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00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:13,680
Austin Utilities and trying to figure
out ways to get water to these

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00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:18,880
neighborhoods too because in the future
when there's further development, it

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kind of prevents it from happening when
there's no water available. So, we're

630
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:27,359
just trying to get all on the same page
and and [snorts] some of these areas

631
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:30,400
just really are,
you know, in, like I said, in difficult

632
00:49:29,119 --> 00:49:35,280
circumstances.
>> Well, didn't we deal with this with that

633
00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:37,520
one development last year out by Old
Mill area?

634
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:40,480
» Back road. Yeah.
>> Yeah.

635
00:49:38,559 --> 00:49:44,079
» If we're going to develop those areas,
then part of that piece has to be they

636
00:49:42,319 --> 00:49:46,319
have to become part of Austin Utilities
Service T.

637
00:49:44,720 --> 00:49:50,000
» Yeah. I would say when we do look at
multiple parcels, there's always, you

638
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:53,920
know, a certain number of people that
definitely want in and there's a certain

639
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:57,599
number of people that don't. And so it
just kind of ends up having to be, you

640
00:49:55,520 --> 00:50:01,680
know, is the majority ready to do it?
And if everybody if we don't get enough

641
00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:06,079
people to participate, it's just not
feasible from a cost expense uh cost

642
00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:10,000
perspective. And I'm certainly we're
looking at this for future use of

643
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:13,520
potential developments where it's like
these are blocks of area that we might

644
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:16,880
be able to put some housing that is
desperately needed for the area for both

645
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:20,000
county and city.
>> Yeah. And transportation,

646
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:25,119
» right? And the rest of that
infrastructure. Yeah. So the idea here

647
00:50:21,359 --> 00:50:30,319
is it is a guide plan. So um it's not a
prescriptive in that way, but we're what

648
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:33,520
it really does is does help staff um
kind of what what where are those first

649
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:36,640
places they can look when those
opportunities come up? And this is

650
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:40,800
what's identified now. And I think what
was valuable about this process too was

651
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:46,400
getting the county, the city to work
together, but but also Austin utilities.

652
00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:50,960
I I think um we kind of felt like this
um getting everyone at the same table

653
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:55,520
was not something that happened often.
And I think hopefully one of the

654
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:58,960
recommendations we have here is getting
those agencies together to meet more

655
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:04,040
often to be able to coordinate some of
this. And um so I think that was pretty

656
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:04,040
valuable.

657
00:51:10,319 --> 00:51:17,520
So, speaking of housing, um some of the
things that we heard about housing is

658
00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:21,760
is, you know, twothirds of respondents
said yes, there is a need for more

659
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:27,680
housing and expanding housing options is
a theme that we heard. Um looking at

660
00:51:24,079 --> 00:51:32,240
maintenance of properties, uh as well as
making sure that new housing matches

661
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:37,599
existing character. Um so some some
folks um so 25% responded that there is

662
00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:40,640
an adequate supply of property
maintained housing choices. So here

663
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:44,079
there's a theme here. Some more
additional housing, which is not

664
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:48,720
unusual, right? We're hearing that not
just in Austin, but a lot of places

665
00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:52,079
right now looking at um some additional
housing opportunities and housing choice

666
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:56,000
for folks. And some of those key
recommendations um again won't be

667
00:51:54,720 --> 00:51:58,880
reading through all of this, but there
was a recent housing study that was

668
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:02,160
completed and one of those
recommendations is to follow through on

669
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:07,440
the recommendations in that housing
study and again looking for

670
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:12,000
more housing options, infill
development, U looking at housing

671
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:15,680
downtown. Um and what we mean by
downtown and infill is those areas that

672
00:52:13,839 --> 00:52:19,920
are already served by infrastructure and
if there's opportunities to look at

673
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:23,599
looking at housing that are close closer
to destinations that are already served

674
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:29,119
by infrastructure is is more cost
effective. Um and in doing so enhances

675
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:33,680
downtown and um also neighborhood
character. And also looking at accessory

676
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:36,680
dwelling units again as as a potential
option.

677
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:44,160
economic development. Just one quick
summary question here about what folks

678
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:48,319
about the city's top priorities for the
future should be. Maintain quality

679
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:52,720
schools is something we hear often and
certainly in this and for the city of

680
00:52:49,839 --> 00:52:58,400
Austin, but also downtown development,
looking at new growth in the future and

681
00:52:54,720 --> 00:53:01,839
expanding and preserving parks, etc.
And some of the key recommendations

682
00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:05,599
regarding economic development. And
again, this is a piece that was informed

683
00:53:04,240 --> 00:53:10,559
by all the good work that urban
strategies did in the playbook. Um,

684
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:13,440
making sure that the city can retain and
attract businesses and young

685
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:18,079
professionals, getting young families
here and and helping them stay. Um,

686
00:53:16,240 --> 00:53:22,400
strengthening the downtown, implement
that food systems concept, potential

687
00:53:20,559 --> 00:53:26,559
downtown hotel was uh certainly
discussed quite a bit throughout this

688
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:30,000
process. And uh, again, expanding
housing options. Employers are looking

689
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:33,839
for housing options for their employees
as a way to attract employees. So

690
00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:40,440
there's definitely overlap here in all
of these chapters. Housing and economic

691
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:40,440
development is one.

692
00:53:41,359 --> 00:53:48,640
Transportation. Um most folks, more than
threequarters of of uh folks responding

693
00:53:46,720 --> 00:53:52,720
to the survey said they feel safe using
existing sidewalks and trails, but about

694
00:53:50,720 --> 00:53:56,400
the same amount said um they'd like to
see more amenities, more trees, benches,

695
00:53:54,880 --> 00:54:02,000
things like that to make that pedestrian
experience um more pleasurable. Again,

696
00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:06,000
adding more sidewalks, maintaining the
roads that the city already has.

697
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:11,040
Maintenance does come up quite a bit in
in this chapter. And then improving a

698
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:14,800
sense of safety.
And so some of those key recommendations

699
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:19,200
for transportation is build a more
connected grid network for all users. So

700
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:23,839
not just roadways but also sidewalks for
pedestrians and bicycle facilities. The

701
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:29,760
city does have a complete streets policy
was adopted in 2012. Uh recommendation

702
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:35,119
here is to really apply that and maybe
uh work on um giving that policy a

703
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:42,760
little bit more weight. Um look at
wayfinding and walking and biking in

704
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:42,760
downtown. A couple more recommendations,

705
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:50,800
community facilities and utilities.
You know, for as far as the city is

706
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:54,720
concerned, we we did add uh have a
couple of survey questions here. In

707
00:54:53,119 --> 00:54:58,640
general, it looks like folks are, you
know, strongly or somewhat agree that

708
00:54:56,400 --> 00:55:04,480
community facilities are wellmaintained
and well managed along with utility

709
00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:09,440
services as well. So the recommendations
here are to prioritize repairs and

710
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:14,400
maintenance to the sanitary system based
on the recent sewer evaluation

711
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:17,200
and then also um identify locations
where infrastructure is can be

712
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:21,040
efficiently expanded for new
development. just talking about that

713
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:25,359
that that is certainly the case here in
this chapter and and again what's not

714
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:30,440
listed here but is in the plan is to
continue that working relationship with

715
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:30,440
Austin utilities

716
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:40,960
parks and recreation um we heard a lot
from the pickle ball folks uh in this

717
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:46,160
process um I will say we work in a lot
of communities doing comp plans and and

718
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:49,760
that's very very popular right now a lot
of people want pickle courts, but also

719
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:54,400
bathrooms, landscaping, and adult
fitness classes in terms of how to

720
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:59,119
program those parks. About twothirds of
folks think that the parks right now

721
00:55:56,079 --> 00:56:04,079
meet their needs. Um, and along with a
variety of uses, but there were some

722
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:09,200
indication that some folks don't feel a
strong sense of safety when traveling

723
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:14,640
along some trails.
So key recommendations are again to

724
00:56:11,839 --> 00:56:19,280
implement um recommendations from the
parks, wreck and trails master plan. Um

725
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:23,680
look at really concentrating resources
towards improving prominent parks and

726
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:27,119
recreational facilities. So um we did
hear from staff and others instead of

727
00:56:25,359 --> 00:56:30,960
developing new parks because you have a
pretty pretty decent park system right

728
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:36,720
now is to really focus those uh
utilities and resources on those those

729
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:42,160
uh prominent parks. enhancing character,
improving accessibility,

730
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:49,319
and um looking at the potential of
restoring uh plants with some native

731
00:56:44,319 --> 00:56:49,319
species to reduce maintenance needs.

732
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:57,599
Then I mentioned implementation. So this
is just a snapshot of that

733
00:56:55,760 --> 00:57:03,599
implementation table that is in chapter
10. And what we're looking at here is is

734
00:57:01,119 --> 00:57:08,559
a matrix of action items. These action
items many of them are taken from the

735
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:14,160
strategies that are listed throughout
the document. So on the left hand side

736
00:57:11,839 --> 00:57:19,599
is what chapter those are in the action
item. Then the timeline whether it's

737
00:57:16,799 --> 00:57:23,280
near-term, long-term or ongoing level of
effort, impact and champion or

738
00:57:21,359 --> 00:57:28,160
responsible parties. And what is a
little unique about this compared to

739
00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:33,599
some other processes is that this uh
with some input from staff is sorted by

740
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:37,839
high impact first and then level of
effort. So what you're looking at here

741
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:44,240
at the top would be those higher impact
lower effort action items to really kind

742
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:50,240
of look at focusing on first in terms of
priorities. and and some of those are

743
00:57:46,319 --> 00:57:53,680
again both of those top two um rows for
example are just working with other

744
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:58,400
partners and continue those
relationships which can have higher

745
00:57:55,760 --> 00:58:02,000
impacts in terms of results and
implementation with a relative low

746
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:04,960
amount of effort in terms of you know
there's no construction involved with

747
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:07,599
that there's it's more just making sure
people get together and meet on a

748
00:58:06,319 --> 00:58:10,880
regular basis
>> and can you talk about the catalytic

749
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:15,359
triad a little bit
>> sure

750
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:20,079
so in the in our playbook Um this came
from Daniel Hines from Velocity Group,

751
00:58:17,359 --> 00:58:25,040
but um it is something that is really
resonates. Um and I think just even in

752
00:58:22,799 --> 00:58:31,760
the way that we approached this project,
we um had several uh organizations that

753
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:38,880
helped us fund this project. So it
included um the city, the county, um

754
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:42,079
Hormel Corporation, Mayo, and Hormell
Foundation. and impact Austin had

755
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:48,079
applied for a grant to the Hormel
Foundation to help us um the bulk of the

756
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:54,799
financing for this project. And then
also the the idea of this catalytic

757
00:58:50,720 --> 00:59:01,599
triad model for implementation or for um
seeing these ideas come to fruition or

758
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:05,839
these strategies and goals um is that it
is

759
00:59:03,119 --> 00:59:11,760
working together with the private
sector, the public sector and the

760
00:59:08,559 --> 00:59:18,799
nonprofit sector and just really um
emphasizing that none of us can really

761
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:25,359
do it on our own. it really has to be a
group effort and that doing it that way

762
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:31,040
is going to create um just a a higher
likelihood of success in trying to uh

763
00:59:29,359 --> 00:59:35,920
accomplish all of these things that we
want to get accomplished.

764
00:59:34,079 --> 00:59:41,119
It's a really good point and often times
we see in this right hand column um

765
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:45,839
oftentimes it's a bunch of city
departments that are listed as the

766
00:59:44,319 --> 00:59:49,920
champions or primary responsible
parties. What's nice about this process

767
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:53,839
that we mentioned earlier about those
different committees that met throughout

768
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:58,319
this process, they already exist. You
know, maybe some of them need to be, you

769
00:59:56,240 --> 01:00:01,760
know, um started up again, but there are
others that, you know, there is still

770
00:59:59,599 --> 01:00:06,640
momentum behind some of this. And and to
Holl's point, it's not just it's not

771
01:00:04,319 --> 01:00:09,359
just city staff and city departments
that are responsible for implementing

772
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:12,880
everything. Obviously, there's a role
there, a primary role there. Um but

773
01:00:11,599 --> 01:00:16,880
there's also members of the community
that have invested their time and effort

774
01:00:14,559 --> 01:00:20,920
into this and um have a vested interest
in seeing this implemented.

775
01:00:24,319 --> 01:00:31,920
And I just I also wanted to add that um
a lot of times when we finish big

776
01:00:30,079 --> 01:00:36,799
projects like this and we come back with
this um document

777
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:43,760
um a lot of people say is this just
going to sit on a shelf? Um and it might

778
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:49,359
if there's no um investment into it
whether it's time or or money or

779
01:00:46,559 --> 01:00:54,240
whatever it requires. Um, but I also
wanted to say that

780
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:58,640
when I first came here,
there were a lot of things that were

781
01:00:55,680 --> 01:01:02,480
going on and a few of the things that
I've accomplished since I've been here,

782
01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:07,119
quite a few of the things I was building
on things that somebody did before me.

783
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:11,440
So, there was with like for example the
rental licensing and inspection program,

784
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:16,079
there was 10 years of effort put into
that before I got here. And then there

785
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:20,240
was a lot of effort on my part to
implement it, but I could never have

786
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:24,480
done it without all the efforts that had
taken place before me. So even though

787
01:01:22,319 --> 01:01:29,440
some of these things may seem like a
long way away, it has to start

788
01:01:27,599 --> 01:01:35,520
somewhere. You have to put these things
on paper, the things that the community

789
01:01:31,599 --> 01:01:39,680
is asking for. And I might be the
champion today, but there will be

790
01:01:37,119 --> 01:01:43,440
somebody else that comes after me. And
that's how we make things happen. We

791
01:01:41,359 --> 01:01:47,280
have limited resources. most of the
time. Sometimes we get lucky and get a

792
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:51,119
grant or funding partner that might help
something happen in the near term. There

793
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:56,000
are some things that are maybe more easy
to implement immediately, but overall a

794
01:01:54,160 --> 01:02:02,160
lot of these projects will take time and
effort and um I always say like you know

795
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:05,839
projects are like you know juggling.
Sometimes it feels like you're just not

796
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:08,480
getting anywhere. I should say learning
how to juggle. You're not getting

797
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:12,000
anywhere and then all of a sudden you're
doing it. So all of a sudden a project

798
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:16,720
comes together because the timing is
right. you have the right partners and

799
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:20,000
you have been putting all this together
making these connections over a period

800
01:02:18,319 --> 01:02:28,680
of time and that's that's how these
things I think uh facilitate

801
01:02:23,359 --> 01:02:28,680
the uh the ultimate objectives.

802
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:39,520
» Thanks Holly.
>> So we're nearing the end here. We are in

803
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:44,960
the review and adoption process. So, um,
we've been working with the community

804
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:50,480
and the pack and staff, um, to guide
this process, and this process was

805
01:02:47,119 --> 01:02:56,079
guided by the community, um, with a
draft plan that was prepared and then

806
01:02:52,720 --> 01:03:00,640
presented online at a public openhouse
um, that was held at the nature center a

807
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:05,359
few uh, weeks back, a few months back.
That plan was then revised based on

808
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:12,319
input we've received. And we are here
now presenting this plan to you all. And

809
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:17,520
um hopefully what happens next is then
is recommended um with comments or

810
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:21,240
without to city council for adoption
here in a few weeks.

811
01:03:22,559 --> 01:03:29,520
So that's our presentation.
Thank you for your time.

812
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:34,640
» Yes,
>> we should probably thank all the people

813
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:38,720
that helped [snorts] us. Thank you. Oh,
thanks, Steve. Do we can't remember? Do

814
01:03:37,039 --> 01:03:42,400
we have the list of everybody somewhere?
>> It's in the plan. Yeah.

815
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:47,440
» Sure. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. But we had uh
several people from the community with

816
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:51,119
our uh planning advisory committee,
which Steve was one, and you were on our

817
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:55,200
2016 as well,
>> right? Planning commission, right?

818
01:03:53,440 --> 01:04:00,400
» Yeah. One of the things Steve said was
uh when I first did this in 2016, I

819
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:06,204
wanted Austin lower county to be better.
And now in 2026, I Austin County to be

820
01:04:04,079 --> 01:04:08,224
the best.
[laughter]

821
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:19,599
» All right. So, what you're looking for
from us is just a recommendation

822
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:26,319
» comments on anything that jumped out or
thought should be

823
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:31,920
amended or any changes or
any additions or any questions about how

824
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:34,799
we got to the point where we got to
think did a good job.

825
01:04:34,369 --> 01:04:40,400
[clears throat]
>> I have a question on the when I was

826
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:44,880
going through the housing section uh
specifically the whole umbrella of

827
01:04:42,559 --> 01:04:52,559
multifamily housing versus our one
single family housing is there's there's

828
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:59,599
different groups. There's
there's town homes, twin homes, condos,

829
01:04:57,119 --> 01:05:03,920
and there's also duplexes, triplexes,
and quadplexes. I think those are two

830
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:07,440
very different groups.
I think the distinctive difference is

831
01:05:05,599 --> 01:05:12,480
whether or not it's owner occupied
versus rental property, but in all the

832
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:19,280
stuff I look at, it's just all lumped
under multi multif family dwelling,

833
01:05:16,079 --> 01:05:23,440
residential, R2, R3 or whatever. So, how
do you

834
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:28,000
how do you separate those in the plan or
do you separate those because those are

835
01:05:25,039 --> 01:05:33,760
two totally different animals.
>> They are. And I think what taking a

836
01:05:30,799 --> 01:05:38,319
closer look at the both the recent
housing study that was completed as well

837
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:42,079
as the additional work we had done in
the plan year starts to look at some of

838
01:05:40,079 --> 01:05:45,839
those trends and demands for house for
rental versus owner occupied.

839
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:51,599
Oftentimes, you know, a comprehensive
plan, yes, it will look at, you know,

840
01:05:48,079 --> 01:05:56,880
the housing stock and what to um um what
to recommend or allow in each district.

841
01:05:53,920 --> 01:06:00,559
for example, um you know, this plan
recommends mixing some of those types a

842
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:04,799
little bit, right? Not putting all the,
you know, higher density housing in one

843
01:06:03,119 --> 01:06:09,280
place versus all the single family in
another. But I think the market does

844
01:06:06,799 --> 01:06:14,799
have a lot to do with what happens with
with rental versus versus owner

845
01:06:12,079 --> 01:06:22,000
occupied.
And I just there are

846
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:25,839
state level discussions about
housing and where it should go.

847
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:31,599
» Yeah, there's a number of bills floating
around this session about pushing out

848
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:35,680
statewide policy on what should be local
policy in my opinion.

849
01:06:34,079 --> 01:06:39,400
Uh
so how do you

850
01:06:39,839 --> 01:06:46,480
I mean if you're going to if you're
going to push for higher density housing

851
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:53,240
and even R1 for example, how do you
distinguish between rental versus owner

852
01:06:49,359 --> 01:06:53,240
occupied or do you

853
01:06:54,480 --> 01:07:01,920
» I I think that um
I don't know that we would differentiate

854
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:05,760
between rental versus owner occupied. I
mean we do have a rental licensing

855
01:07:03,359 --> 01:07:10,720
inspection program. So there's some you
know as far as building is concerned I

856
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:14,960
guess um
you know would it probably be based on

857
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:19,599
primarily just the number of units would
you say like just the density question

858
01:07:17,359 --> 01:07:24,160
of you know how much density do you want
to have in a particular area and then

859
01:07:21,839 --> 01:07:28,880
how would you get to that density what
would you know what type of housing

860
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:34,160
would you prefer I mean that's where our
you know you would be involved with um

861
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:39,839
amending our ordinance unless it become
a state statute where it was, you know,

862
01:07:37,359 --> 01:07:44,960
a statewide policy, but we don't know
what going to happen with that quite

863
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:48,720
yet. Um, but yeah, otherwise it would be
these recommendations would end up in

864
01:07:46,559 --> 01:07:52,720
our zoning code where we would be, you
know, I guess, um, making

865
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:56,559
recommendations.
I would bring something to you for you

866
01:07:54,240 --> 01:08:00,280
to review and you would make a
recommendation on it.

867
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:03,960
Anything

868
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:10,400
else? Commissioners,
>> I have a question. [clears throat] First

869
01:08:08,799 --> 01:08:13,119
off, I think the catalytic triad thing
is sweet. I'm going to steal that and

870
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:18,080
use that. I think that's really cool.
Whoever came up with that. Um, but the

871
01:08:15,359 --> 01:08:22,400
compreh uh complete street policy that
was adopted in 2012. Can I get the

872
01:08:20,719 --> 01:08:25,199
cliff's notes on that or is that can I
access that? I'm just curious as to what

873
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:27,552
what's that?
>> It's in the plan.

874
01:08:26,239 --> 01:08:30,159
» It's Yeah. Right. Well, apparently
[laughter]

875
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:34,000
177 pages. I might have missed a little.
>> That's right. We put it in the plan.

876
01:08:31,359 --> 01:08:38,159
It's also It's on the website. It really
is. And and maybe speak more to it or

877
01:08:36,719 --> 01:08:44,319
maybe Stephen could if you were here,
but the um a lot of communities adopted

878
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:49,679
complete streets policies in the teens
um and cities and counties which um and

879
01:08:47,759 --> 01:08:53,679
the cities is it's really just about a
page or two, right? It's it's a it's a

880
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:56,560
brief policy that council adopted back
in I say 2012.

881
01:08:55,759 --> 01:09:00,319
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. And it really looks at

882
01:08:58,319 --> 01:09:04,400
implementing are considering
improvements for other modes other than

883
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:08,000
just vehicles. And that doesn't mean
every street has a bike lane. It just

884
01:09:06,159 --> 01:09:13,440
means that you really have to consider
and a lot of these are ADA improvements

885
01:09:10,159 --> 01:09:19,359
and things like that. Um, and what the
recommendations really look at is is

886
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:23,120
implementing that policy even for even
utility improvements. Whether you're,

887
01:09:21,679 --> 01:09:26,880
you know, you're working at an
intersection, you're doing a road

888
01:09:24,239 --> 01:09:31,199
improvement project and look at ways to
improve the pedestrian conditions there.

889
01:09:28,480 --> 01:09:35,199
even if it means ADA compliant ramps,
things like that.

890
01:09:33,199 --> 01:09:38,880
» Yeah, I would say our original policy
was developed uh because we had a

891
01:09:37,359 --> 01:09:44,480
council that was very passionate,
certain council members that were very

892
01:09:40,319 --> 01:09:47,759
passionate about um uh sustainability.
Um they're also very passionate about

893
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:52,159
the rental licensing inspection program,
but the sustainability piece was where

894
01:09:50,159 --> 01:09:57,440
the complete streets came from. And then
also um I think there was a period where

895
01:09:55,920 --> 01:10:02,480
the Minnesota Department of
Transportation was encouraging those

896
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:08,640
kinds of pedestrian uh facilities and
then that could feed into maybe some

897
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:13,360
grant opportunities and um we had been
involved in a a voluntary program called

898
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:17,920
Greenep Cities with the state. Um, and
then that had a lot of different

899
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:22,239
sustainability things that they just had
like lists of things that you would, you

900
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:25,360
know, complete to make it to a certain
step, you know, and so we made it to

901
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:28,400
like three steps within the program, but
we're not as active with that now that

902
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:32,880
those council members are no longer
here. But, but that's kind of how it was

903
01:10:30,239 --> 01:10:37,280
developed and then it sort of, you know,
sort of waxed and waned over time as to

904
01:10:35,199 --> 01:10:41,440
whether it was, you know, seen in a
favorable way or an unfavorable way. Of

905
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:46,159
course, when a number of constituents
come in, like the gentleman who is here

906
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:50,719
right now, they did a trail along Fourth
Drive um as well as expanding the street

907
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:55,440
and then they lose part of that public
rightway that feels like your property,

908
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:59,600
but it's really public right away. And
so there's just so a lot of people come

909
01:10:57,280 --> 01:11:03,600
in and they're upset about it and then
it doesn't happen and even though we

910
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:08,239
have this policy. So, I think we're just
talking about let's just have this

911
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:12,800
policy and then we don't have to have to
weigh it back and forth every time we

912
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:17,040
decide. We just say this is our policy
and and we will put sidewalks in when we

913
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:20,080
have a reconstruction.
>> Okay. Thank you. I needed I I was

914
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:22,800
actually reached out to by a couple
people that live in areas where there's

915
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:26,640
ditches in front of their homes, no
sidewalks, and they're they don't want

916
01:11:24,239 --> 01:11:34,040
sidewalks. So, I can maybe give them a
little answer now as to

917
01:11:29,199 --> 01:11:34,040
how that will work. Thank you.

918
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:46,239
I think it's amazing the work that was
put into all this.

919
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:51,520
» There's a lot to it.
>> It's a lot to think just seeing all the

920
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:59,120
collaboration across not just county and
city which always get along

921
01:11:56,320 --> 01:12:03,679
um but also the buyin from like the
private companies. I think that's really

922
01:12:00,719 --> 01:12:08,080
key. Um, so I really appreciate
everybody who volunteered to do this.

923
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:13,679
It's a lot of work and I know you guys
put a lot of time and effort into it.

924
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:17,520
Um, but I think it's it's a good plan. I
think there's a lot I I like the topics

925
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:21,600
that are covered. I think we're always
going to have some conflict between some

926
01:12:19,199 --> 01:12:26,239
of them. There's always the we want
business downtown, but we also like

927
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:30,960
green space. So, what do we do when
those two conflict? Um, the and the bike

928
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:34,800
trails and all of that kind of stuff.
And then at the end of the day, it's

929
01:12:32,159 --> 01:12:38,880
always a cost. What do we want to spend
our tax dollars on? And so I think

930
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:45,360
that's constant communication, but this
is always a good guideline to start

931
01:12:41,199 --> 01:12:48,360
from. Um, so I I'm I'm excited for that
future.

932
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:57,760
» My opinion of uh of the name
comprehensive plan, it truly is. Um I

933
01:12:55,760 --> 01:13:03,120
focused on a couple effort or areas and
that one was land use or is land use

934
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:08,239
housing and economic development and I
know Steve's been a real uh driver

935
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:12,560
behind the bike trails. I'm a big bike
trail fan and use it. I use them, but

936
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:16,560
also really attract I mean, and I spent
a lot of time at Hormal Foods down in

937
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:20,960
Benville, Arkansas, and they just
created a place that people want to go

938
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:26,320
and and so that to me, you know, it kind
of resonated with with with me when I

939
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:29,920
read it. But like like like everybody, I
mean, I can't believe the amount of

940
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:34,159
community involvement for one uh it's
truly a plan and it's not, you know,

941
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:38,560
it's it's a roadmap and I just think
it's some really good good work and I I

942
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:42,880
do commend everybody that I was never a
part of it. Maybe they didn't want me.

943
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:45,679
They never asked me. I'm retired. I got
some time on my hands. But um I just

944
01:13:44,480 --> 01:13:49,920
think that there's some really great
work in this thing. And like like Pete

945
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:53,520
said, it's 174 pages. It's a lot of
stuff, but it's a lot of really good

946
01:13:52,000 --> 01:14:01,006
stuff. So thank you.
>> We still have to implement. So

947
01:13:56,880 --> 01:14:01,006
» you're newly retired. [laughter]

948
01:14:02,480 --> 01:14:08,880
» So is this an action item for us? Do we
need to do anything or you were just

949
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:11,600
looking for feedback? Do we make a
formal

950
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:16,719
» uh yeah just
>> recommendation to council

951
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:19,440
» recommend it to council for final
approval.

952
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:23,360
» Okay.
Has therefore before we do that has

953
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:26,960
there been any negative feedback from
anyone?

954
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:31,360
I mean judging by the empty seats I'm
guessing probably

955
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:36,560
» I'm trying to think of
>> anything we should consider. there. I

956
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:38,480
feel like there's just the normal
>> comments

957
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:43,600
» resistance.
>> I mean, this is often we wait till it's

958
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:46,880
done and then we complain. [laughter]
>> Well, some sometimes there individual

959
01:14:45,440 --> 01:14:52,880
like they'll come to an open house and
see land use is maybe changed, you know,

960
01:14:49,679 --> 01:14:56,239
where you the guided use has changed
where you live. A lot of questions about

961
01:14:54,400 --> 01:15:01,440
that. But once you talk with folks and
land owners about, hey, this isn't we're

962
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:05,520
not changing the zoning code on you. not
>> understand that it's just kind of a

963
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:09,719
future look. But yeah, I think it's been
fairly fairly smooth.

964
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:18,000
» I think it's good to have direction and
this gives us that.

965
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:20,880
I think also, you know,
there people have mixed feelings about

966
01:15:19,679 --> 01:15:24,400
working with the government, whether
it's your local government, your state

967
01:15:22,480 --> 01:15:28,719
government, your federal government, but
people do like to be heard, you know,

968
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:32,320
and they do like to tell you how they
would like things to be. And I don't,

969
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:35,840
you know, I'm sure there's some
skepticism about what changes will

970
01:15:34,239 --> 01:15:42,080
happen and how quickly they will happen,
but um we couldn't do anything that we

971
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:46,560
do without the support of our community.
I mean, we have a small staff. You know,

972
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:52,719
there are lots of volunteers in our
community that um support, you know, the

973
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:56,600
efforts that we try to implement to make
our community a great community.

974
01:15:59,679 --> 01:16:07,520
» All right. If there is nothing further
from commissioners, we need a motion and

975
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:11,760
a second to recommend approval, final
approval of the comprehensive plan for

976
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:13,760
2045.
the council.

977
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:16,320
» So move.
>> I'll second.

978
01:16:14,719 --> 01:16:20,159
» All right. Thank you. We have a motion
from Commissioner Burroughs and a second

979
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:26,000
from Commissioner Bartley to recommend
the council to approve the final draft

980
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:29,679
of the comprehensive plan for 2045. Any
further discussion?

981
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:30,400
» All in favor of the motion, please say
I.

982
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:32,719
» I.
>> I.

983
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:36,320
» All oppose? No.
>> Motion carries.

984
01:16:35,199 --> 01:16:37,120
» Thank you, commissioners.
>> Thank you.

985
01:16:36,719 --> 01:16:41,840
» Thank you.
>> Thank you, Holly. And Holly was at the

986
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:44,560
um county board meeting this morning for
their adoption.

987
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:49,520
» Yeah, they did a final app for rule this
morning.

988
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:55,920
» And this will go next this will go to
our um uh work session on Monday so

989
01:16:53,520 --> 01:17:01,800
council can discuss it freely and then
uh for final adoption uh June 1st I

990
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:01,800
think is the date.

991
01:17:02,159 --> 01:17:08,800
» I don't have anything further.
Any commissioners have any other

992
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:11,679
business?
If not, can I get a motion? A second to

993
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:14,560
adjurnn. A
>> motion to adjurnn.

994
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:17,520
» A second.
>> Thank you.

995
01:17:16,239 --> 01:17:21,040
Have a motion from Commissioner
Burroughs and a second from Commissioner

996
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:24,159
Mayor to adjurnn. All in favor of the
motion, please say I. I.

997
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:28,239
» All oppose? No.
>> Thank you. for journey.