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- Welcome everyone.

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I called to order the Avon Town Council meeting for Tuesday,

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July 28th, 2026.

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A roll call please. Miguel.

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- Yes, Madam Mayor Chico Thuon. Here. Rich Carroll.

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I'm here. Tamra Underwood? Here. Gary Brooks. Here.

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Ruth Stanley. Present. Lindsay Hardy is absent.

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Kevin Hyatt here?

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- Yes. Councilor Hardy is absent tonight.

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She's on maternity leave tonight

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and we are happy to announce

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that Brooklyn Lavonne Maloney was born in Vail on

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July 18th at 9:41 PM

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and weighed in at seven pounds.

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7.7 ounces lost sir. So that is best news ever.

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So congratulations to that.

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We are on to approval of the agenda.

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Does anybody have any changes to the agenda please?

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- I would like to pull 5.10 notice of award.

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I'm sorry, pardon me? 5.10 notice of award

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for heat recovery system expansion

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and have a little discussion. Okay,

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- 5.1.

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Yes. So let's put

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that at the very end.

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That will become 6.6 and we can have discussion.

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Eva, you'll hang around for that. Thank you. Okay,

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- What - Any other changes to the agenda please

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- Do - Or a motion as amended. I

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- Move to approve the agenda as revised

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- So - I could Thank you Ruthie and Gary.

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All those in favor please say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye.

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Those opposed hearing no nays that passes

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six to zero as amended.

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Okay. Next is disclosure

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of any conflicts of interest

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or potential conflicts of interest related to agenda items.

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Does anyone have anything to disclose please?

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Hearing none we will move on to public comment.

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Now is the time for public comment

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which the Avon Town Council values greatly.

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We typically accept public comment at each business item on

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the agenda, but now is the time to provide your point

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of view on any topic, not on tonight's agenda.

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Please direct your comments to the council, not

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to staff or others in the room.

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This public comment part of the agenda is not a forum

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for back and forth conversations with the council.

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This is a forum for the Town Council

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to hear your valuable input, comments

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and point of view at the conclusion of this public.

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Comments part of our agenda, the council may

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but is not required to refer some questions

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or matters to our Avon staff.

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We respectfully ask that your input be confined

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to three minutes and an additional one minute can be granted

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in the council's discretion.

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Please start by coming to the podium,

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adjusting the microphone Before you turn it on,

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you turn it on by pushing the red rectangle

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that will turn green indicating that the microphone is on.

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Please tell us your name

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and spell your last name so

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that it can be reflected in our minutes accurately.

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Please also tell us the neighborhood where you live.

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I will add that in so much as there has been

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so much public comment

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and interest in the flock camera issue,

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I will point out specifically that

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that is business item 6.1.

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I'm sure a lot of you are here to speak to us about that

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and we look forward to hearing from you.

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I ask that flock camera comments be input

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to us at item 6.1

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and that this four comments not on the agenda tonight.

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So does anyone have anything to add?

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- Awesome. Tim McMahon,

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Sunridge over Avon.

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I just had some care.

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Well bring some experience when people get up here

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later on at 6.1.

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Treat the council with respect and dignity.

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Don't drop F-bombs

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'cause then Miguel will turn my microphone off.

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So just saying if you play with them it's a lot easier.

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So that's it.

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- Thank you Tim. Yes sir. - And

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- My name's Jack McBride.

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I'm at Buck Creek Condominiums.

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I've sent you guys an email to try

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and make the information a little bit more desirable,

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but thank you so much for allowing me to speak.

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When I first purchased my condo in 1991,

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I was a young officer in the army.

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I could barely cover the mortgage

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but I was able to short term rent it, which was a benefit

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for me to be able to make ends meet.

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I knew that when I got outta the army,

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Avon was gonna be where I was gonna live.

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My twin boys learned

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to skate the be they skated on Nottingham Lake at least

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until the Zamboni fell in.

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As I was still assigned to Fort Carson,

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we would visit mostly on weekends

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during two extended deployments to Bosnia and Iraq.

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Knowing that my family would not come up here without me,

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I did short, I did long-term workforce housing.

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The first one was great, the second one was very expensive

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and it wasn't a a

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good Experience.

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When I left the army, I moved to Avon

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as a full-time resident.

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I volunteered to support numerous events

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and enjoyed living here.

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The changes at the beach and the amphitheater are great.

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Being on the water and in the town center

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as it says on the light post on Lake

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Street is is just great.

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I said it's always been a selling point of our properties.

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Prior to 2020 properties would sell by word of mouth

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as they were so sought after.

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This all changed in 20 21, 20 22 when the the Town Council

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approved the short-term rental overlay, which is

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what I'm here to speak about today.

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Properties that wouldn't make it to market

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because they sold so fast now take up to three years

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to sell properties.

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I said I'm not a real estate agent, agent or a salesperson,

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but it's very clear that properties that have the ability

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to sell with an unrestricted license are 20

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to 30% more valuable than one is not able

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to be rented unlimited, which is what we are in right now.

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The town of court Town of Avon did to almost 800 units

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has excluded them from the town court.

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These 800 units are around Nottingham Lake.

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The designation has been arbitrarily changed over the years.

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It's, it's changed from a certain area to other areas as new

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luxury town homes have been built.

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Mark Lewis a couple weeks ago had a great Avon.

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I had a great editorial that said that you don't have

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to penalize people in order to meet your goals.

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I said there's an individual who wants

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to build affordable parental housing in a in Edwards,

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but Eagle wants to stop that

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and condemn the land so

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that they can't have rent controlled property being built.

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So this begs the question,

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if we don't need these affordable units, why take 20 to 30%

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of the value of these 800 properties

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around the lake while taking the property rights

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and the value is bad enough?

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The town has seen fit to approve the building

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of over 300 luxury condos

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and condominiums in the unrestricted short-term rental

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licenses area.

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They have added these guys to the town core, so prior

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to the overlay of these 800 units competed fairly

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and equally for those sales and those short term rentals.

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One more minute please. Thanks Jeff.

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Now the scales of equal compensation have been tilted in the

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town because of the weight of the overlay on the 800 units

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that are around Nottingham Lake.

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Clearly there were not too many short-term rental

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unrestricted license prior to the overlay

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or they wouldn't have authorized,

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you guys wouldn't have authorized the building

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of 300 more front gate, one river front skull.

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They probably would not be built if they

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were restricted to 15%.

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The goals of the short-term rental property were

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to grow the inventory of the home

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ownership in the households.

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Is there any data over the past five years that

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that has come to fruition?

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The current policy is to make these properties

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that are in proximity to the community anchors is

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to devalue those to the point to where the town can come in

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and essentially steal the value of

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by providing a 30% down payment

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and get somebody to buy who doesn't understand

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that the options for them reselling are severely limited

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and thus become a deed restricted town owned property.

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And once this happened, this is forever.

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The town gets a deed restricted property

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for 25 cents on the dollar.

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I'm not against building new properties,

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I'm not against the good deeds program,

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but to allow the new bills, the rights

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that you've taken away from us is really wrong.

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I've been here for 35 years.

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Please remove the weight

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of this short-term overlay on those 800

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properties. Thank you very much.

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- Thanks Jim. Anyone else please? Yes sir.

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- Good evening Mayor and members of the Town Council.

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My name is Albert Almo Dova, A-L-M-O-D-O-V-A

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and I live on Nottingham.

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Ray, I wanna thank you for the opportunity

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to let me speak tonight.

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I am here to ask you to continue funding

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the local employee resident first time home buyer program,

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specifically the Good Deeds program.

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For the past six years, I rented the home

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that I am now in process

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of purchasing My landlord has been incredibly generous

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by lowering the purchase price

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to make homeownership possible for me so

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that I could get qualified by a lender.

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Even with that generosity, the program is

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what makes buying the home financially achievable.

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And even with this program, I'm at the very edge of

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what I can qualify and afford.

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I've lived in the Bell Valley for more than 10 years.

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This community is my home.

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I work here and I have built my life

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here like so many others.

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I wanna put down roots instead

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of wondering whether I'll be able

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to stay from lease to lease.

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This isn't just about me.

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I currently live with three of my friends

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who are full-time year round locals

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and my plan is to keep them as roommates

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after I purchase the home.

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By doing that, I can continue providing three local county

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workers with an affordable place to live.

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Supporting one home purchase doesn't just help one person,

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it helps four members of this community

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remain in this valley.

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Programs like this are an investment in the people

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who make this community work every day.

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They help teachers, service workers,

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healthcare professionals

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and so many others who love living here

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but struggle with the cost of housing.

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I know that this program requires

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that a deed restriction restriction be put on the property

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and I'm fully aware of that and what that entails

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and I'm happy to do so if it helps

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to establish a more affordable environment

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and predictable home value growth in the valley.

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I respectfully ask you to continue funding this program so

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that the people like me can remain part

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of the community we've spent years building our lives in.

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Thank you for your time and your consideration.

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- Thank you Albert. Anyone else please public comment

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for items not on the agenda tonight online,

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is there anyone with a raised handle?

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Yes ma'am.

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- My name is Deb McBride. I'm in Buck Creek.

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So with the Good Deeds program you,

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I know you can't answer my questions,

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but we have a very, very old building deed.

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So how does it work when the person

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who buys the property under the good needs program

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can't pay for a special assessment

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or our dues HOA dues quarterly are going up

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astronomically compared to when we started?

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I know you can't answer the question,

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but who does that fall on the HOA to do a lien

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and foreclose and then who is the town them responsible

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because they've contributed

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to the purchase of this property?

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That's my question

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and I would like an answer sometime in writing.

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Oh,

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- Thank you Steph.

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More public comment? Yes please.

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Hi, my name is Jennifer Lance, L-A-N-C-E.

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I live on Nottingham Road in 2021.

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My house was destroyed in a mudslide in July

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and recently our culvert, that's like a Town

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of Avon culvert's property was clogged again.

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We called a few times and finally got some action

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and people were coming out to assess it

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and so I just wanted to say thank you for that

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and just keep a reminder to keep our culverts clean and open

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because I know the weather's been crazy, it hasn't rained

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that much, but when it does rain it comes down hard

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and the ground's really dry

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and those hills above where we all live are are really dry.

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So just thank you for taking action when we called

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and just please a reminder

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to keep the culverts clear in town.

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Thanks a lot. Thank you Jennifer.

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More public comments on items not on the agenda tonight.

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Okay, we'll go online. Is there anybody with a raised hand?

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If you're online, please raise your hand on Zoom

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or if you're on your phone, press star nine.

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- You - Seeing non Madam Mayor.

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Okay, anybody else in the room again? No.

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Okay, we will move on to the consent agenda.

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Thank you everybody. The consent agenda,

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we have nine items on the consent agenda

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or is there any discussion or a motion please?

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- I move to approve tonight's consent agenda. Second.

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- Thank you Chico and Gary.

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All those in favor please say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye.

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Those opposed, please say nay.

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Aye The consent agenda is approved six to zero

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and now we are on to item 6.1, which is the presentation

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As a discussion

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of flock cameras we have leading us town manager Eric Hyle

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and police chief Greg Daly.

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- Good evening Madam Mayor, members of council.

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I am going to ask if I think Miguel's doing,

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if I can have the clicker.

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So obviously I think we've all seen that there's been a lot

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of comments since the vandalism occurred

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at a few cameras in town.

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What I wanted to do is provide a quick overview of cameras.

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Most of this presentation is gonna focus on flock cameras.

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It is gonna tell you what we've done, what we know

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and what we're paying attention to is we recognize that

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the technology's evolving, the law's evolving

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and certainly we're paying attention to community sentiment

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that's coast to coast on this,

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not just in the state of Colorado.

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So I'm gonna give a quick overview

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of our automated license plate readers,

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which are the flock safety cameras, body cameras,

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patrol car cameras, or speed enforcement

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cameras and security cameras.

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So we first did body cameras in 2010.

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We were one of the first agencies in the state

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and that was part of community policing and accountability

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and, and that's, you know, been far ahead

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of I think most police departments.

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But that goes back to I think the first camera use.

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We really started using uhon license plate readers,

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those are cameras and patrol vehicles.

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I think we added those in about 2021

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flock cameras, we brought that to council in March of 2023.

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There were eight originally in the 2025 budget.

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Proposed four additional flock cameras.

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Both of those were at public meetings

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and the budget for the four additional went

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through public hearings.

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Ava speed cameras that was first brought to council in

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July August of 25.

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That required a pretty involved process that was dictated

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by the state of Colorado where we had to pass an ordinance,

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we had to have public hearings on it, we had

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to do a warning period, they went live in mid-December

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and that's a review process that includes CDOT oversight

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and permitting to get approvals for those.

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We also have security cameras.

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Flock is the vendor that we use when we can use the same

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vendor for it is just more cost efficient for us.

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We have eight total. Those are primarily to have

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eyes on town assets to prevent vandalism and graffiti.

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So we have 'em on our recycle center, Avon Pavilion,

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the West courts and then we've got two at Avon station

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and that's been because of the number of vehicle accidents

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and altercations that happen there.

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For those who don't know, Avon station is the busiest bus

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stop in the entire core transit region.

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So that's been helpful.

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So usage for flock safety,

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we the res license plate

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and provides us Avon Police Department if a license

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plate is on the hot list.

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That's, I also called the bolo Beyond the lookout

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for certain license plates.

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I put in my memo in my personal experience having worked

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for Avon and a couple decades ago working for Silverthorne

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and our location on I 70 I think is

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unique compared to other places.

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And I know firsthand in working with police departments that

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we do get the more violent felons sometimes at large

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coming through because of I 70,

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that community is not on I 70, we,

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we just get a higher volume of that type of traffic.

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Avon Police Department can access the data

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for the last 30 days to search for a particular license

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as part of an official investigation.

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And then we do allow access

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by other law enforcement agencies in the state

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and so they can access the date also for 30 days to search

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for a particular license as part

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of an official investigation.

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This is a summary since the beginning of 2024,

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so about two and a half years.

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104 operational investigations, 24 documented arrests,

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11 recovered stolen vehicles.

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And that's just a quick summary of how

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that tool has helped our law enforcement succeed in

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what their mission is to do

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privacy concerns, wanna recognize that

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and you know, it's something we paid attention to

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but with all the public attention,

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spent a little time over the last few days

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to research it further.

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What I have seen in

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this debate nationwide is there's concerns about

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federal access to data.

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Some that sometimes that's called through the front door,

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which means local communities explicitly

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authorized to share that data.

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And we know there's communities in other states primarily

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that openly share that data with, you know,

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federal government to help support the immigration

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enforcement or whatnot.

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That's called front door access. We do not do that.

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Side door is local authorities can run a surge on

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behalf of the federal agency.

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We don't do that. I'm gonna show you one

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of our resolutions from 10 years ago about that.

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And backdoor is unintentional where, call it operator error

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or failure to, there's a opt-in setting

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and some communities have failed to check the box

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or uncheck the box and that has allowed federal access.

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Two things I want to point out in this discussion is

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flock safety cameras are also sold to private entities

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and we have some of those here in Avon.

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There is no limitation or restriction

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or fourth amendment rights on that.

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That is cameras that are reading license plates

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that can just go into the national database

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and be used by anyone if flock decides to do

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that depending on their contracts with private companies.

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And then one that I want

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to touch on is smartphone data brokers.

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And this is considered an end round where there's all these

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constitutional rules about whether you need a

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warrant, can you access data?

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One of the phenomenon that's happening is our phones

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between the apps, it's hard to block every single app.

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If it shares that data, then that data goes to data brokers

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and anyone can be able to buy that.

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And it's been over the last, I dunno, four

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or five years, the federal

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government's been able to buy that.

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And so even though there might be fourth amendment search

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considerations, the argument is well if they can just buy

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the data over the counter, then

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that's different than a government having

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to do a get a search warrant.

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And all this is evolving and some of this is in the courts

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and there's not, you know, I want

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to acknowledge there's not clear answers on a lot of this,

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but wanted to point out those two aspects

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of this kind of privacy issue.

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Avon Police Department policy, I'm not gonna,

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it's a seven page policy, I'm not gonna show all of it,

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but we did have a policy

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that was adopted in early 2024 when we started with the

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flock automatic license plate readers.

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And this is one snippet from it that says can only be used

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for investigative leads that only used

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by Avon Police Department staff who have been trained

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and that can solely can't be used solely on any kind

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of discriminatory factor.

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And then the last one is references to a lot of protections

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that we recognize, including the last line.

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I wanna point out that we cannot use facial recognition

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services as part of using license plate readers

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counsel passed a resolution in 2016

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civil liberties protection

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and the, the relevant part is in the absence

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of a state interstate or international criminal

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or national security investigation, Town

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of Avon does not actively participate in the enforcement

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of federal immigration law.

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So not our lane, not our obligation

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and not something we can afford.

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And that's from 10 years ago that we just do not cooperate

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or share information with the federal government,

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with immigration enforcement.

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Wanna acknowledge there have been a couple recent cases,

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there was a SMID versus City of Norfolk case

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that this is only a district court case,

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but does say that automatic license plate readers are

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constitutional and then very recently there was a CHATE

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versus United States, which is a Supreme Court case

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and kind of interesting about all this technology talks

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about geofencing

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and how they did a search warrant to find a bank robber

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where they can pick a geographic area

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and ask for everyone's cell phone area data in

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that geographic area five minutes before and five minutes

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after that bank robbery.

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And so the, at the Supreme Court they said, yeah,

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that is a fourth amendment search, which requires a warrant

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and there was a warrant in that case

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and then there's like a three step process determine if that

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search was reasonable in the way it was conducted

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and the Supreme Court remanded it back

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to the appellate court to see in that circumstance was the,

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those steps reasonable but interesting

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because the tracking cell phones, license plate readers,

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different technologies

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but in the, you know, raises some

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of the similar privacy issues

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and we're seeing some of these cases work

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through some of these new issues.

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Just gonna point out in the the

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Schmidt versus City of Norfolk case think it's FA federal

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and state courts analyzing automatic license plate reader

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claims have almost uniformly concluded that neither

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taking photos of the license plate

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of a vehicle on a public roadway

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nor maintaining the query of a database of

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automatic license plate reader photos

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constitutes a warrantless search.

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So this case that it's cited previous cases

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that says it is constitutional, I say that not to say that

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that's the right policy or not the right policy,

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but we do pay attention to these issues.

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We're not trying to do anything that's not constitutional

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and we are following these cases

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and that is the current law in the country right now

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that they are using them as constitutional.

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I wanna recognize that,

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and this is probably more to do with smartphones.

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We have a long history

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of federal legislation about really started

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with wiretaps in the sixties

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and then became the Electronic Communications Privacy Act

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through a whole series of acts we had nine 11,

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then we had the Patriot Act that really changed

522
00:24:55,734 --> 00:24:57,567
and expanded the federal government's ability

523
00:24:57,567 --> 00:24:58,567
to do surveillance.

524
00:24:59,433 --> 00:25:02,734
The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act further expanded

525
00:25:02,734 --> 00:25:04,100
their ability to do surveillance.

526
00:25:05,567 --> 00:25:08,100
And so as I said in a couple slides earlier,

527
00:25:08,133 --> 00:25:11,066
right now federal agencies can purchase bulk data from data

528
00:25:11,100 --> 00:25:15,033
brokers and so that's a considered to be a loophole

529
00:25:15,500 --> 00:25:20,133
and is unresolved at the moment at the federal level,

530
00:25:20,166 --> 00:25:24,634
there is a bill that was presented in March of 2026,

531
00:25:24,667 --> 00:25:26,133
the government surveillance reform

532
00:25:27,133 --> 00:25:30,000
and that would require a warrant to get both data

533
00:25:30,500 --> 00:25:33,033
and that also warrants for anything

534
00:25:33,033 --> 00:25:36,000
that has location information, web browsing, data search

535
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,033
and chat box records.

536
00:25:37,433 --> 00:25:40,367
And so that's, there is a bill that's bipartisan

537
00:25:40,567 --> 00:25:43,533
that's intended to close some of those loopholes

538
00:25:43,533 --> 00:25:45,467
with the federal government able being able

539
00:25:45,467 --> 00:25:49,000
to use data brokers when that, you know,

540
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,233
what's the progress on that bill?

541
00:25:50,233 --> 00:25:54,734
We really have no insights on on that state legislation.

542
00:25:54,734 --> 00:25:57,367
This last year we had two bills that were introduced.

543
00:25:57,867 --> 00:25:59,333
Senate Bill 70

544
00:25:59,500 --> 00:26:03,700
and Senate bill 71, 1 was withdrawn, one died in committee.

545
00:26:05,133 --> 00:26:07,300
Yeah, I think they were somewhat similar to bills

546
00:26:07,300 --> 00:26:08,834
that we've seen in other states,

547
00:26:08,934 --> 00:26:12,266
but the politics just weren't there for the bills that go

548
00:26:12,266 --> 00:26:13,467
through the process this year.

549
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,333
And recognizing that states that have adopted

550
00:26:17,133 --> 00:26:21,634
automatic license plate reader regulations includes, I think

551
00:26:21,634 --> 00:26:22,934
that's 17 different states.

552
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,767
You can see that list. Oftentimes

553
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,634
that state legislation will have a limit on who,

554
00:26:28,867 --> 00:26:30,500
how the local government can share that data

555
00:26:31,333 --> 00:26:35,467
and also it'll have timeframes on how long

556
00:26:35,467 --> 00:26:36,734
that data can be retained.

557
00:26:37,667 --> 00:26:40,000
And so that seems to be the focus of a lot of

558
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,367
that state level legislation.

559
00:26:43,100 --> 00:26:47,133
Our flock safety contract is the permitted purposes are

560
00:26:47,166 --> 00:26:48,734
lawful criminal investigations.

561
00:26:48,734 --> 00:26:50,867
That's the only permitted purpose for us using it.

562
00:26:51,867 --> 00:26:55,000
The agency data is owned by the agency,

563
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,033
which is the Town of Avon.

564
00:26:56,867 --> 00:26:58,533
Avon has the right to cancel the contract

565
00:26:58,533 --> 00:26:59,567
with 30 days notice.

566
00:27:00,734 --> 00:27:05,233
Flock is allowed to create aggregated, anonymized data

567
00:27:05,433 --> 00:27:08,700
for internal use but cannot sell that aggregated data.

568
00:27:09,934 --> 00:27:14,066
In our research, there's no known data breaches

569
00:27:14,066 --> 00:27:16,233
or cloud hacks for flock safety.

570
00:27:19,100 --> 00:27:22,533
We do have a our ability to audit, which means we're able

571
00:27:22,533 --> 00:27:27,367
to go on and see the logs for everyone that's accessing the

572
00:27:29,066 --> 00:27:30,266
avon's information or data.

573
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,634
And I, that's really small, I blew that up a little bit

574
00:27:34,100 --> 00:27:37,266
to show columns of ID means that's an actual case.

575
00:27:37,433 --> 00:27:40,467
It's not just, you know, I want a spy on my buddy.

576
00:27:41,033 --> 00:27:43,834
There's a name of which officer was doing the search

577
00:27:44,133 --> 00:27:47,000
and then there's a reason for the search

578
00:27:50,100 --> 00:27:53,133
and that's just very quick brief background that I wanted

579
00:27:53,133 --> 00:27:55,266
to give on this topic before we get

580
00:27:55,333 --> 00:27:57,333
into comments and questions.

581
00:27:57,700 --> 00:28:00,700
- Great, thank you Eric. Questions for Eric or Greg?

582
00:28:03,133 --> 00:28:05,834
None at this time. Great. Okay, let's hear it in the public.

583
00:28:07,100 --> 00:28:09,000
Before we do, I did write a little speech.

584
00:28:09,100 --> 00:28:13,367
Thank you Tim Chicken Man for summarizing it for me,

585
00:28:13,367 --> 00:28:15,066
but since I wrote it, I'll also say it,

586
00:28:15,634 --> 00:28:18,133
the council is enthusiastic about hearing from

587
00:28:18,133 --> 00:28:19,233
the public in this venue.

588
00:28:19,433 --> 00:28:21,767
Our public meeting in the town hall,

589
00:28:21,767 --> 00:28:24,500
which I remind everyone is a form of decorum

590
00:28:24,900 --> 00:28:26,100
where the serious business

591
00:28:26,100 --> 00:28:29,533
of our municipal democracy is conducted on a regular basis

592
00:28:30,133 --> 00:28:32,934
on myriad important topics, including this one.

593
00:28:33,500 --> 00:28:36,133
We have already received some productive feedback

594
00:28:36,233 --> 00:28:37,634
and input from the public.

595
00:28:37,634 --> 00:28:42,066
However, this flock camera topic in general has spurred an

596
00:28:42,066 --> 00:28:46,000
inordinate amount of truly outrageously inappropriate

597
00:28:46,467 --> 00:28:48,100
language used in email

598
00:28:48,834 --> 00:28:49,467
and online

599
00:28:53,734 --> 00:28:56,634
So much as all of our words

600
00:28:56,667 --> 00:28:59,300
and images are being recorded at this time, at this meeting,

601
00:28:59,734 --> 00:29:01,000
it's being live streamed

602
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,734
and broadcast on TV into people's homes throughout our town,

603
00:29:04,867 --> 00:29:06,100
our valley, and beyond.

604
00:29:06,333 --> 00:29:10,233
I will state emphatically that curse words name calling

605
00:29:10,867 --> 00:29:14,000
and ad hominem attacks are not to be used here.

606
00:29:14,433 --> 00:29:18,000
Your constructive feedback, feedback, respective exercise

607
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,367
of your first amendment right

608
00:29:19,367 --> 00:29:21,000
to free speech is welcome here.

609
00:29:21,467 --> 00:29:24,333
As always, please limit your input to three minutes

610
00:29:24,500 --> 00:29:26,700
and additional one minute can be granted in the council

611
00:29:26,734 --> 00:29:27,834
council's discretion.

612
00:29:28,333 --> 00:29:29,333
We will start in the room.

613
00:29:29,700 --> 00:29:31,934
Please come to the podium, turn on the microphone,

614
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,700
tell us your name and spell your last name.

615
00:29:34,900 --> 00:29:36,133
Tell us the neighborhood where you live

616
00:29:36,166 --> 00:29:40,266
and please, that's enough. Okay,

617
00:29:41,100 --> 00:29:42,100
- So that's it.

618
00:29:42,166 --> 00:29:43,567
So let's start in the room. Maria.

619
00:29:49,133 --> 00:29:50,834
Hello, my name is Maria DeSimone.

620
00:29:50,834 --> 00:29:54,500
Most of the council knows me. I live up in Wildwood area.

621
00:29:55,300 --> 00:29:57,467
Good evening mayor and council members.

622
00:29:57,667 --> 00:30:00,100
Thank you for the opportunity to speak tonight.

623
00:30:00,266 --> 00:30:02,700
My name is Maria. I'm here on behalf

624
00:30:02,700 --> 00:30:05,700
of more than 466 people

625
00:30:05,700 --> 00:30:08,333
who have signed a petition asking the Town of Avon

626
00:30:08,333 --> 00:30:11,333
to remove the automated license plate readers.

627
00:30:11,500 --> 00:30:13,367
This is the petition signatures.

628
00:30:13,367 --> 00:30:15,934
If you'd like to see it from our community.

629
00:30:16,467 --> 00:30:17,934
We wanna save community.

630
00:30:17,934 --> 00:30:21,000
The question is whether or not public safety matters.

631
00:30:21,233 --> 00:30:22,467
It absolutely does.

632
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,133
The question is whether continuously tracking

633
00:30:25,266 --> 00:30:26,500
and storing the movements

634
00:30:26,500 --> 00:30:29,066
of law abiding people is the right way to achieve it.

635
00:30:29,734 --> 00:30:33,033
These cameras don't just identify vehicles connected crimes.

636
00:30:33,433 --> 00:30:36,066
They create a searchable record of

637
00:30:36,634 --> 00:30:39,266
where ordinary people live, work, worship,

638
00:30:39,634 --> 00:30:42,734
receive medical care, and spend time with their friends

639
00:30:42,734 --> 00:30:46,233
and family all without being suspected of a crime.

640
00:30:47,033 --> 00:30:50,100
Privacy isn't about having something to hide,

641
00:30:50,367 --> 00:30:52,500
it's about preserving our freedom.

642
00:30:52,934 --> 00:30:55,367
We protect our homes, our passwords,

643
00:30:55,900 --> 00:30:57,100
our personal information

644
00:30:57,100 --> 00:31:01,367
because privacy is a fundamental, fundamental, fundamental

645
00:31:02,634 --> 00:31:04,634
American value across the country.

646
00:31:04,734 --> 00:31:06,300
There has been documented cases

647
00:31:06,634 --> 00:31:10,333
of law enforcement officers misusing license plate reader

648
00:31:10,834 --> 00:31:12,367
databases for personal reasons.

649
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,000
Please don't take my word for it.

650
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,500
Visit flock.com and do your own research.

651
00:31:17,934 --> 00:31:21,333
Looks like most of you already have. I'm grateful for that.

652
00:31:22,100 --> 00:31:24,467
We'll find this debate is happening across America,

653
00:31:24,900 --> 00:31:27,834
not just across Amer here in Avon, but across America.

654
00:31:28,333 --> 00:31:30,467
One of the greatest concerns isn't just

655
00:31:30,500 --> 00:31:33,500
how these cameras are used today, it's

656
00:31:33,500 --> 00:31:34,834
how they can be used tomorrow.

657
00:31:35,734 --> 00:31:38,333
Policy changes, administrative changes.

658
00:31:39,100 --> 00:31:42,867
Once the surveillance infrastructure is in place expanding

659
00:31:42,867 --> 00:31:45,033
it becomes much easier than removing it.

660
00:31:45,734 --> 00:31:47,834
There's also no peer reviewed evidence

661
00:31:47,834 --> 00:31:52,100
that automatic license plate reader cameras reduce traffic

662
00:31:52,700 --> 00:31:54,533
accidents or make our road safer.

663
00:31:55,133 --> 00:31:58,033
They may in assist in investigations

664
00:31:58,667 --> 00:32:01,066
that is very different from proving they can

665
00:32:01,066 --> 00:32:02,266
improve public safety.

666
00:32:03,066 --> 00:32:06,533
Tonight I ask you to do more than end avon's contract

667
00:32:06,533 --> 00:32:07,734
with flock safety.

668
00:32:08,467 --> 00:32:11,000
I ask you to reject the continued use

669
00:32:11,433 --> 00:32:14,033
of all automated license plate reader cameras.

670
00:32:15,266 --> 00:32:16,266
Replacing flock

671
00:32:16,367 --> 00:32:19,066
with another company does not solve the problem.

672
00:32:19,367 --> 00:32:20,567
The issue is not the vendor.

673
00:32:20,867 --> 00:32:22,333
It's continuous collection

674
00:32:22,567 --> 00:32:25,000
and storage of local data on people

675
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,133
who are not suspected of any crime.

676
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,367
Before I close, I'd like to make one more final statement.

677
00:32:31,900 --> 00:32:35,100
More than 466 people have signed this petition

678
00:32:35,500 --> 00:32:38,100
and the number is growing every day.

679
00:32:38,567 --> 00:32:42,000
If this council does not act, we will return not with anger,

680
00:32:42,567 --> 00:32:45,033
but with more residents asking to be heard.

681
00:32:45,333 --> 00:32:49,066
We believe this issue deserves your full attention tonight.

682
00:32:49,266 --> 00:32:51,467
I respectfully ask you to choose the privacy

683
00:32:51,667 --> 00:32:54,133
of your citizens owe the convenience of surveillance

684
00:32:54,500 --> 00:32:58,567
and remove all automated license plate reader cameras from

685
00:32:58,567 --> 00:32:59,634
the Town of Avon.

686
00:33:00,066 --> 00:33:01,000
It's the right thing to do.

687
00:33:01,867 --> 00:33:04,266
I'd like to just say one quick thing. Sure.

688
00:33:04,266 --> 00:33:08,934
And then I'm done with reference to the documents,

689
00:33:08,934 --> 00:33:09,934
the legal documents.

690
00:33:10,567 --> 00:33:12,533
I think it's wonderful that that's all in there,

691
00:33:13,066 --> 00:33:16,867
but at a time when the public has zero trust in authority

692
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,066
figures, I think it's a lot to ask

693
00:33:19,133 --> 00:33:21,033
that they just simply accept it

694
00:33:21,033 --> 00:33:24,000
because there's small print in these contracts.

695
00:33:24,367 --> 00:33:26,467
That's all I have to say. Thank you for your time.

696
00:33:27,033 --> 00:33:27,934
Thanks Maria.

697
00:33:33,867 --> 00:33:34,100
Hi.

698
00:33:34,634 --> 00:33:37,734
- Hi. Sorry I've never done this before.

699
00:33:38,767 --> 00:33:41,100
Nicholas Shirley, S-H-I-R-L-E-Y.

700
00:33:41,333 --> 00:33:43,867
At base camp on Highway six Avon.

701
00:33:45,634 --> 00:33:48,066
A lot of us have expressed their concerns over the flock

702
00:33:48,066 --> 00:33:50,066
cameras, but you need to understand exactly

703
00:33:50,066 --> 00:33:52,700
what these cameras are and why they worry us.

704
00:33:53,133 --> 00:33:55,934
These aren't just security cameras that are only viewed

705
00:33:55,934 --> 00:33:57,533
after a crime has been committed.

706
00:33:58,033 --> 00:34:00,700
This is an AI database being fed information

707
00:34:00,834 --> 00:34:02,000
by an estimated 80

708
00:34:02,100 --> 00:34:04,867
to a hundred thousand cameras across the United States

709
00:34:05,033 --> 00:34:07,100
that record every single license plate

710
00:34:07,367 --> 00:34:09,300
and every single person who walked by.

711
00:34:10,033 --> 00:34:11,934
This is a database that allows you

712
00:34:11,934 --> 00:34:14,100
to search specific information rather than

713
00:34:14,100 --> 00:34:15,734
just watching security footage.

714
00:34:16,100 --> 00:34:19,100
It lets you search things like give me the names of address

715
00:34:19,266 --> 00:34:22,000
and addresses of everyone who attended this protest

716
00:34:23,066 --> 00:34:25,767
or give me the last known location

717
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,100
of this illegal immigrant.

718
00:34:27,133 --> 00:34:28,500
Or if you're on the other side of the aisle,

719
00:34:28,734 --> 00:34:32,100
give me the information of anyone who visited the gun store

720
00:34:32,100 --> 00:34:33,333
or gun range in gypsum.

721
00:34:34,100 --> 00:34:35,700
I know this sounds farfetched,

722
00:34:35,734 --> 00:34:37,000
but these are the kinds of searches

723
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,100
that are already happening.

724
00:34:38,133 --> 00:34:41,266
According to the ACL U, there are 18 documented cases

725
00:34:41,367 --> 00:34:44,233
of police officers using Flocked personally stalked their

726
00:34:44,233 --> 00:34:45,333
ex-wives or girlfriends.

727
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:50,734
In May, 2025, a deputy from Johnson County Texas used flock

728
00:34:50,734 --> 00:34:52,233
to search nationwide

729
00:34:52,667 --> 00:34:54,934
for a woman they suspected got an abortion.

730
00:34:55,266 --> 00:34:58,000
This includes states where abortion is still legal

731
00:34:58,166 --> 00:35:01,533
and that the deputy should not have had access to.

732
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,567
In fact, they interviewed some of the departments

733
00:35:04,567 --> 00:35:06,734
where they searched and they said

734
00:35:06,734 --> 00:35:09,033
that they had turned off the ability for out

735
00:35:09,033 --> 00:35:10,767
of state departments to search them.

736
00:35:13,367 --> 00:35:15,700
An article I read yesterday gave details

737
00:35:15,700 --> 00:35:18,834
of a flock executive watching the security footage

738
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,066
of a children's gymnastics class in Dunwoody, Georgia.

739
00:35:23,433 --> 00:35:25,367
The town of Evanston, Illinois voted

740
00:35:25,433 --> 00:35:29,033
to remove their flock cameras a month later flock

741
00:35:29,266 --> 00:35:31,033
reinstalled them without permission

742
00:35:31,100 --> 00:35:32,634
and the town had to issue a cease

743
00:35:32,634 --> 00:35:34,533
and desist order to to the company.

744
00:35:35,333 --> 00:35:38,700
You say that facial recognition isn't enabled for Avon,

745
00:35:38,734 --> 00:35:41,767
but that doesn't mean flock hasn't enabled it on their side

746
00:35:41,767 --> 00:35:43,333
of for their ai AI system.

747
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,767
You say that you're not working with ice,

748
00:35:45,934 --> 00:35:47,300
but can you say without a doubt

749
00:35:47,300 --> 00:35:49,700
that some out-of-state agency isn't able

750
00:35:49,700 --> 00:35:52,000
to access the cameras like the Texas deputy did.

751
00:35:53,033 --> 00:35:56,233
Flock is a corporation valued at $8.4 billion.

752
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,100
You don't become that large just by selling security cameras

753
00:36:00,100 --> 00:36:01,467
to small towns and cities.

754
00:36:01,867 --> 00:36:05,567
You become that large by selling businesses access to its AI

755
00:36:06,033 --> 00:36:07,300
database and the millions

756
00:36:07,300 --> 00:36:09,033
of people it has built profiles on.

757
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,000
Ultimately the decision us up to the Town Council,

758
00:36:12,133 --> 00:36:14,767
but I would urge for you to ask the council members

759
00:36:15,100 --> 00:36:16,500
of Fort Collins, Denver,

760
00:36:16,734 --> 00:36:18,266
and Aspen, why they decided

761
00:36:18,266 --> 00:36:20,266
to council their flock on tracks.

762
00:36:20,500 --> 00:36:21,500
Thank you.

763
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,734
- You Nicholas, who's next?

764
00:36:33,066 --> 00:36:34,166
- Just quick question.

765
00:36:34,867 --> 00:36:37,233
I don't actually live in the city of Avon. That's

766
00:36:37,500 --> 00:36:38,734
- We we're happy to - Hear from you.

767
00:36:38,734 --> 00:36:40,300
Thank you so much. Thanks. Yeah, I, sorry,

768
00:36:41,300 --> 00:36:42,467
my name's Logan Daniels.

769
00:36:42,500 --> 00:36:45,100
I'm 17 years old and I live in Riverwalk.

770
00:36:47,300 --> 00:36:48,867
And before I say anything else,

771
00:36:49,133 --> 00:36:52,100
I just wanna say the F information I found online was

772
00:36:52,100 --> 00:36:54,300
through reputable articles and from reputable companies

773
00:36:54,300 --> 00:36:55,567
and people such as the Yahoo News

774
00:36:55,567 --> 00:36:57,567
Organization, nine News and others.

775
00:36:58,533 --> 00:37:00,533
The first case I wanna mention is about the Flock

776
00:37:00,533 --> 00:37:04,066
corporation's vice president on September 30th, 2025 viewing

777
00:37:04,066 --> 00:37:05,533
through the windows and walls of the Jewish

778
00:37:05,533 --> 00:37:07,066
Community Center of Dunwoody, Georgia.

779
00:37:07,367 --> 00:37:09,066
The camera labeled gymnastics.

780
00:37:09,266 --> 00:37:11,000
They were not supposed to access this

781
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:12,033
and it was viewed anyways.

782
00:37:12,033 --> 00:37:14,033
There was no emergency, there was no cause

783
00:37:14,100 --> 00:37:16,900
and the only co, the only reason they gave was marketing.

784
00:37:17,467 --> 00:37:20,133
Might I add that this was not an adult's gymnastics center,

785
00:37:20,166 --> 00:37:21,900
but a children's gymnastics center.

786
00:37:22,133 --> 00:37:23,433
Take from that what you will.

787
00:37:23,867 --> 00:37:25,834
It is disgusting that a breach of privacy like

788
00:37:25,834 --> 00:37:27,533
that was accepted and we should be horrified

789
00:37:27,533 --> 00:37:30,433
to support a company like that with our local tax dollars.

790
00:37:31,266 --> 00:37:33,000
The second thing I would like to mention is

791
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,867
that Townsend Counties and more are starting

792
00:37:34,867 --> 00:37:36,066
to refuse flock's business.

793
00:37:36,266 --> 00:37:38,333
Denver recently took down every single

794
00:37:38,333 --> 00:37:40,100
camera across the city.

795
00:37:40,634 --> 00:37:42,734
They did this because all of the cameras were linked

796
00:37:42,734 --> 00:37:44,867
to a federal database used to track immigrants.

797
00:37:45,133 --> 00:37:47,500
The Town of Avon I know would report ice

798
00:37:47,834 --> 00:37:49,066
activity and they did.

799
00:37:50,233 --> 00:37:53,000
Why are we giving ice data to track down the people

800
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,266
who work harder than many of us in our local community?

801
00:37:55,734 --> 00:37:57,367
A community that has held protests

802
00:37:57,433 --> 00:37:59,133
demanding ice be abolished.

803
00:37:59,367 --> 00:38:01,900
This is a joke and I personally won't stand for it.

804
00:38:03,133 --> 00:38:04,533
The third thing I wanna mention is that

805
00:38:04,667 --> 00:38:06,133
so far across the country

806
00:38:06,233 --> 00:38:08,133
and in the short time flock has been an active

807
00:38:08,233 --> 00:38:09,767
and com commonplace company

808
00:38:10,533 --> 00:38:13,100
19 officers at the least have been terminated

809
00:38:13,100 --> 00:38:14,367
for misusing flock for

810
00:38:14,433 --> 00:38:16,300
by stalking women exes and other reasons.

811
00:38:17,333 --> 00:38:19,033
I want to congratulate those departments

812
00:38:19,033 --> 00:38:21,000
for taking appropriate action In regard to this,

813
00:38:21,233 --> 00:38:24,300
however, this is a misuse in its unacceptable

814
00:38:24,300 --> 00:38:27,133
that such power be given to officers of the law in general,

815
00:38:27,734 --> 00:38:30,433
the idea that a wayward officer, which I hope that the Town

816
00:38:30,433 --> 00:38:32,100
of Avon has none

817
00:38:32,100 --> 00:38:35,100
of could violate a citizen's privacy without a warrant

818
00:38:35,033 --> 00:38:37,533
or consent, is, in my opinion, unacceptable.

819
00:38:37,867 --> 00:38:40,567
And we need to take measures as a community to oppose this

820
00:38:40,567 --> 00:38:43,500
because there are bad eggs in all aspects of society.

821
00:38:44,300 --> 00:38:46,767
I want to implore the city council, the Town of Avon

822
00:38:46,767 --> 00:38:48,066
and its citizens' interest to

823
00:38:49,133 --> 00:38:51,300
not not replace the taken down cameras,

824
00:38:51,567 --> 00:38:54,233
but to remove the rest and stop the search of the heroes

825
00:38:54,233 --> 00:38:55,300
who took them in the first place.

826
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,533
We are not members of a flock.

827
00:38:57,700 --> 00:39:00,066
We are people who have ordained rights enshrined in our

828
00:39:00,333 --> 00:39:02,000
constitution, one of which is liberty.

829
00:39:02,066 --> 00:39:05,000
Another of which requires the law to provide a warrant,

830
00:39:05,333 --> 00:39:07,700
remove these cameras, the constitution of,

831
00:39:07,867 --> 00:39:09,700
and the people of the town and country demand

832
00:39:09,700 --> 00:39:11,000
it. Thank you very much.

833
00:39:11,533 --> 00:39:16,533
- Thank you Logan. Okay, who's next in the room?

834
00:39:22,734 --> 00:39:27,033
- Hello, I'm Daniel Newhouse, N-E-U-H-A-U-S from Wildridge.

835
00:39:27,533 --> 00:39:29,934
I adamantly oppose use of flock cameras.

836
00:39:30,266 --> 00:39:31,700
I believe they should be

837
00:39:31,734 --> 00:39:33,467
unconstitutional under the Fourth Amendment.

838
00:39:34,700 --> 00:39:37,700
I believe our law enforcement is perfectly capable of

839
00:39:38,367 --> 00:39:40,734
enforcing order without this invasion to our privacy.

840
00:39:40,900 --> 00:39:41,900
Thank you.

841
00:39:45,467 --> 00:39:49,100
- Others in the room? More comments in the room Chi

842
00:39:56,567 --> 00:39:57,567
- Still, Tim.

843
00:39:58,066 --> 00:40:00,433
So back in December there was some death threats against me.

844
00:40:00,900 --> 00:40:02,934
A guy supposedly was driving down from Steamboat

845
00:40:02,934 --> 00:40:04,100
Springs to kill me.

846
00:40:04,900 --> 00:40:06,500
I gave him the address of Vail Police Department.

847
00:40:06,634 --> 00:40:07,700
So I was okay.

848
00:40:08,133 --> 00:40:10,900
I, but I had officers in my house for about two

849
00:40:10,900 --> 00:40:14,900
and a half hours and the reason that I was able to

850
00:40:15,533 --> 00:40:18,433
get some Sandy out of it was that they knew without a doubt

851
00:40:18,467 --> 00:40:20,567
that he was still in Steamboat because of the flock cameras.

852
00:40:22,033 --> 00:40:24,133
So personal experience, they did help me.

853
00:40:24,500 --> 00:40:25,834
I still think they're not a good idea.

854
00:40:26,634 --> 00:40:28,467
I really think that it's an invasion privacy

855
00:40:29,133 --> 00:40:32,100
and I mean I, I trust our police department.

856
00:40:32,133 --> 00:40:33,834
I trust, I know a lot of the officers, they're awesome.

857
00:40:34,467 --> 00:40:37,100
I don't think they would use it in a bad and malicious way,

858
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,333
but there's easy ways to hack stuff.

859
00:40:39,467 --> 00:40:40,667
You know, there's smart people out

860
00:40:40,667 --> 00:40:41,700
there that know how computers work.

861
00:40:42,100 --> 00:40:43,500
I'm not one of 'em, but thank you.

862
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:50,133
- More common in the room. Okay, let's go online.

863
00:40:50,533 --> 00:40:51,734
Has anybody raised their hand

864
00:40:51,834 --> 00:40:53,500
or press stern on if you're on your phone,

865
00:40:58,133 --> 00:41:00,100
Madam Mayor, first up we have Brian Urban.

866
00:41:03,066 --> 00:41:07,567
Okay, Brian, you're being promoted. Can you hear us

867
00:41:12,033 --> 00:41:13,033
- Hear it?

868
00:41:13,333 --> 00:41:15,066
- Yes, we can go ahead. My name's

869
00:41:15,066 --> 00:41:16,734
- Brian, president.

870
00:41:19,133 --> 00:41:22,500
I have a question for the Town Council on 50 State Plan on

871
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,867
is the slot use continues with, they plan on

872
00:41:27,634 --> 00:41:31,734
preventing things like Signal Trace where they can collect,

873
00:41:31,900 --> 00:41:35,266
has leak or data people in those license plates.

874
00:41:37,033 --> 00:41:38,433
And that was mostly good. Thank you.

875
00:41:38,767 --> 00:41:43,333
- Thank you. Brian, other

876
00:41:43,367 --> 00:41:44,500
online comment please?

877
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,033
Seeing none. None. Okay.

878
00:41:52,634 --> 00:41:57,533
All right, well, anybody else in the room?

879
00:41:58,100 --> 00:41:59,066
No. Okay, great.

880
00:42:01,233 --> 00:42:05,033
Chief, can you answer the, that last question

881
00:42:05,033 --> 00:42:07,567
that's on our mind about Sig Signal Trace?

882
00:42:07,634 --> 00:42:10,300
Do you understand what that aspect of software might be

883
00:42:10,867 --> 00:42:11,900
and do we use that

884
00:42:11,934 --> 00:42:15,500
or is there any plan to, or do you know what that is?

885
00:42:16,333 --> 00:42:17,567
- Good evening, Madam Mayor.

886
00:42:17,567 --> 00:42:21,500
Members of council, actually I had a conversation earlier on

887
00:42:21,567 --> 00:42:25,000
about there is, you know, some information on the internet

888
00:42:25,734 --> 00:42:30,166
that flock cameras can sort

889
00:42:30,166 --> 00:42:33,300
of get Bluetooth signals of cars coming by.

890
00:42:34,467 --> 00:42:36,066
My information is, that is not correct.

891
00:42:36,033 --> 00:42:40,500
There is some mention of other products that are out there

892
00:42:40,567 --> 00:42:44,000
that potentially have been co-located with black cameras

893
00:42:44,066 --> 00:42:46,634
by municipalities, but we do not do that

894
00:42:46,667 --> 00:42:48,133
and our cameras do not do that.

895
00:42:50,266 --> 00:42:53,100
- Okay, thank you. Were there more questions

896
00:42:53,266 --> 00:42:56,567
that we should refer to chief about?

897
00:42:58,500 --> 00:43:02,000
No. Okay. Okay. Well great.

898
00:43:06,767 --> 00:43:09,433
Counselors, do we want some discussion?

899
00:43:09,467 --> 00:43:12,100
Do we want to think about

900
00:43:12,266 --> 00:43:15,333
what we've learned thus far on email

901
00:43:15,634 --> 00:43:17,066
and productively here tonight?

902
00:43:17,066 --> 00:43:18,767
Thank you all for making it very productive,

903
00:43:18,834 --> 00:43:20,333
more productive than what we've seen on our

904
00:43:20,333 --> 00:43:22,033
emails, that's for sure.

905
00:43:22,166 --> 00:43:25,834
So thank you. We have, we have re received some legitimate

906
00:43:26,333 --> 00:43:30,066
email, but a much illegitimate

907
00:43:31,634 --> 00:43:33,033
bad language email.

908
00:43:35,066 --> 00:43:37,166
Anything more discussion tonight? Ruthie,

909
00:43:38,133 --> 00:43:39,066
- First of all, I just wanna thank

910
00:43:39,300 --> 00:43:40,333
everyone that came tonight.

911
00:43:42,367 --> 00:43:45,567
I know that we started this in March of 2023

912
00:43:47,066 --> 00:43:48,166
and 2025.

913
00:43:50,734 --> 00:43:53,033
What disappoints me the most is

914
00:43:53,033 --> 00:43:56,100
that it took some vandalizing, some damaging

915
00:43:56,433 --> 00:43:57,734
and stealing town property.

916
00:43:58,900 --> 00:44:02,100
Property that was paid for by our taxpayers for this issue

917
00:44:02,100 --> 00:44:04,000
to suddenly become con controversial.

918
00:44:05,033 --> 00:44:07,100
A decision wasn't questioned back when

919
00:44:07,100 --> 00:44:08,033
we were having our meetings.

920
00:44:08,066 --> 00:44:10,166
We have three meetings before we make decisions

921
00:44:12,667 --> 00:44:15,033
and now we're being criticized for

922
00:44:15,033 --> 00:44:17,900
what we've decided without any input from the public.

923
00:44:23,634 --> 00:44:28,133
Also, what troubles me is seeing that people excuse, justify

924
00:44:28,133 --> 00:44:31,166
or even applaud the blatant vandalism,

925
00:44:32,567 --> 00:44:34,066
it's incomprehensible to me.

926
00:44:35,033 --> 00:44:36,567
Whether you support the flock cameras

927
00:44:36,734 --> 00:44:39,867
or oppose them, destroying taxpayer funded public property

928
00:44:40,133 --> 00:44:42,133
is never an appropriate way to make a point.

929
00:44:43,767 --> 00:44:45,033
I do love this community.

930
00:44:45,266 --> 00:44:46,567
I wouldn't be sitting here if I didn't.

931
00:44:46,634 --> 00:44:48,266
I cared deeply about Amon

932
00:44:48,500 --> 00:44:50,300
and about making thoughtful decisions

933
00:44:50,300 --> 00:44:52,333
that are in the best interest of our residents.

934
00:44:53,467 --> 00:44:55,734
I appreciate everyone that's here tonight.

935
00:44:55,867 --> 00:45:00,467
We've heard you, everyone that's written in, I

936
00:45:01,166 --> 00:45:04,066
had, I don't even know what to say for some of the comments

937
00:45:04,066 --> 00:45:08,100
that were on the social media on Facebook, immature,

938
00:45:09,033 --> 00:45:12,100
I could, I have a list, but I'm not gonna go through that.

939
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,533
So that's really all I have to say

940
00:45:14,567 --> 00:45:17,567
and thank you for being here. Thank you Ruthie.

941
00:45:17,867 --> 00:45:19,567
- Tamara, may I go next? Of course, Chico.

942
00:45:19,900 --> 00:45:23,834
So my, my pragmatic approach to it, when, when all this came

943
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:29,767
to fruition was that we, we had a problem

944
00:45:30,867 --> 00:45:33,467
and we were trying to find a solution to that problem.

945
00:45:33,867 --> 00:45:35,266
People speeding through our town

946
00:45:35,266 --> 00:45:38,567
and it was a da very dangerous environment without a place

947
00:45:38,634 --> 00:45:41,100
for police to sit actually on that street

948
00:45:41,266 --> 00:45:43,266
and control the speed levels through there.

949
00:45:43,834 --> 00:45:46,634
This was our, our main approach and,

950
00:45:46,934 --> 00:45:50,333
and if I read it correctly in in tonight's packet,

951
00:45:51,100 --> 00:45:52,100
I think that's been addressed.

952
00:45:52,734 --> 00:45:56,100
Corrected those speed limits by by 95%.

953
00:45:56,367 --> 00:45:58,500
It's controlled what was going on.

954
00:45:58,867 --> 00:46:00,567
It was a little bit of a race track down through there

955
00:46:00,567 --> 00:46:03,033
by Burger King, by the western riverfront

956
00:46:03,367 --> 00:46:05,066
and that's what we were trying to correct.

957
00:46:07,100 --> 00:46:09,834
I'm guilty of it. I paid my fines

958
00:46:10,333 --> 00:46:12,100
and I've chosen to slow down.

959
00:46:12,667 --> 00:46:14,734
You learn your lesson, you pay the price

960
00:46:15,567 --> 00:46:16,634
and you figure it out.

961
00:46:17,266 --> 00:46:20,233
I am not one for Big Brother, I don't want people

962
00:46:21,033 --> 00:46:24,300
investigating me, my family, anything about me.

963
00:46:24,834 --> 00:46:25,934
I don't want any of that.

964
00:46:26,467 --> 00:46:31,066
But sometimes it's the price we pay for public safety

965
00:46:31,467 --> 00:46:34,000
and I'm not sure if there's an alternative.

966
00:46:34,133 --> 00:46:35,233
I'd love to approach that.

967
00:46:36,667 --> 00:46:40,000
I'm sorry that like everybody potentially in this room is

968
00:46:40,266 --> 00:46:41,500
offended by these flock cameras,

969
00:46:41,834 --> 00:46:44,500
but I'm a solution based person.

970
00:46:44,734 --> 00:46:48,266
When there's a problem I wanna address it and correct it.

971
00:46:49,834 --> 00:46:52,867
I personally almost run somebody over in that section

972
00:46:53,367 --> 00:46:55,100
going like 30, 35 miles an hour

973
00:46:55,700 --> 00:46:59,500
and you just can't go that fast there without, I mean

974
00:46:59,700 --> 00:47:02,033
that was before the traffic lights and the crossing lights.

975
00:47:04,066 --> 00:47:05,467
So I, I just feel as though it's a

976
00:47:05,467 --> 00:47:06,734
very dangerous section of town.

977
00:47:07,166 --> 00:47:11,000
We have had a homicide on highway six that could have been

978
00:47:11,634 --> 00:47:14,734
potentially solved if we had these cameras installed.

979
00:47:15,033 --> 00:47:18,000
If there's a lot of different things.

980
00:47:18,500 --> 00:47:22,033
And another thing I feel like we live in a very

981
00:47:23,300 --> 00:47:25,000
safe environment here in Avon.

982
00:47:25,300 --> 00:47:28,867
We live in a bubble, but the bad guys often come here

983
00:47:29,634 --> 00:47:31,734
and they all often get off the exit.

984
00:47:32,033 --> 00:47:35,066
We've seen that up at Creamery Ranch up in Homestead.

985
00:47:35,700 --> 00:47:39,133
Bad guys got off the exit homicide there as well.

986
00:47:39,567 --> 00:47:42,233
Potentially with cameras that could have sent a signal.

987
00:47:43,133 --> 00:47:45,433
I'm not really sure what the outcome could have been,

988
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,033
but if there's something to protect my family

989
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,100
and our visitors, we need to do something

990
00:47:52,266 --> 00:47:55,533
and it needs to be an intelligent, pragmatic approach

991
00:47:56,233 --> 00:47:59,000
and hostilities towards it.

992
00:48:00,066 --> 00:48:01,734
I guess it will happen in society,

993
00:48:02,033 --> 00:48:04,000
but I don't think that's an answer

994
00:48:04,867 --> 00:48:07,867
and I think it just needs to be a discussion like

995
00:48:07,900 --> 00:48:10,867
how you weigh things out, whether you don't want

996
00:48:11,367 --> 00:48:16,300
your information potentially like conspiracy theory wise,

997
00:48:16,367 --> 00:48:19,500
like how deep they can go with our license plates,

998
00:48:19,934 --> 00:48:23,266
but I'm not sure what that is but,

999
00:48:23,467 --> 00:48:28,133
but the outcomes, slower traffic, safer for our community,

1000
00:48:28,133 --> 00:48:31,266
keeping the bad guys out and I like those three things.

1001
00:48:31,934 --> 00:48:35,266
So that's my view on it and that's why I voted for it.

1002
00:48:35,700 --> 00:48:38,066
And when people approach me at the gas station,

1003
00:48:38,700 --> 00:48:40,333
the grocery store, that's the same

1004
00:48:40,333 --> 00:48:41,634
exact thing that I tell 'em.

1005
00:48:41,634 --> 00:48:43,734
I look 'em in the eye and say, hey,

1006
00:48:44,266 --> 00:48:45,333
it's what we needed to do.

1007
00:48:45,867 --> 00:48:49,634
And it's working 95% slower. Sorry guys.

1008
00:48:52,066 --> 00:48:54,033
- Okay, thank you. Anything else for chief

1009
00:48:54,033 --> 00:48:56,567
or Eric or statements?

1010
00:48:56,667 --> 00:48:59,033
Okay, so Rich.

1011
00:48:59,133 --> 00:49:00,066
- Yeah, I'll just do something real.

1012
00:49:00,066 --> 00:49:02,100
Sure I'm gonna, can I echo what's been said

1013
00:49:02,367 --> 00:49:03,700
by some of the other folks up here?

1014
00:49:04,033 --> 00:49:06,133
First off, I wanna thank everyone for sending the emails

1015
00:49:07,066 --> 00:49:09,266
no matter what they said, especially I wanna thank y'all

1016
00:49:09,266 --> 00:49:10,367
for showing up tonight.

1017
00:49:10,567 --> 00:49:12,266
I appreciate those comments. It takes a lot

1018
00:49:12,266 --> 00:49:13,300
of outta your day to come here.

1019
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:16,066
A couple things we've heard

1020
00:49:16,100 --> 00:49:18,367
and seen in the emails, oh by the way,

1021
00:49:18,467 --> 00:49:19,734
I paid no attention whatsoever

1022
00:49:19,734 --> 00:49:21,467
to social media, but that's me.

1023
00:49:22,367 --> 00:49:26,233
We've heard a lot about how safe our place Avon is to live

1024
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:28,767
and that's because the amazing job our

1025
00:49:28,767 --> 00:49:29,834
police department does.

1026
00:49:31,166 --> 00:49:34,834
There are big city things that happen in here, yet Chief

1027
00:49:34,834 --> 00:49:38,033
and all of his, everyone that works for him make this a,

1028
00:49:38,100 --> 00:49:39,367
a wonderful place to be.

1029
00:49:39,667 --> 00:49:42,100
So chief, thanks to you and your staff for doing that.

1030
00:49:43,433 --> 00:49:46,333
Thanks to the public comments and we'll go from there.

1031
00:49:48,066 --> 00:49:50,066
- I think we will, this has given us all a lot

1032
00:49:50,066 --> 00:49:53,700
to think about and we will take it in

1033
00:49:53,900 --> 00:49:56,100
and consider the same

1034
00:49:56,100 --> 00:49:58,867
and then decide on the next steps. Sound good?

1035
00:49:59,133 --> 00:50:01,033
- And should we clarify the difference

1036
00:50:01,033 --> 00:50:02,700
between speed cameras and flock cameras?

1037
00:50:03,533 --> 00:50:05,367
- Sure. Chief, would you give us a,

1038
00:50:05,867 --> 00:50:09,000
explain the difference certainly in the packet

1039
00:50:09,634 --> 00:50:12,100
actually in the packet, maybe we can refer Miguel to the,

1040
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,367
the cameras.

1041
00:50:17,066 --> 00:50:21,266
The memo had a good distillation of the different cameras,

1042
00:50:21,433 --> 00:50:23,300
but maybe just the difference between

1043
00:50:24,133 --> 00:50:26,133
the license plate reading flock cameras

1044
00:50:26,567 --> 00:50:27,567
and the speed cameras

1045
00:50:27,834 --> 00:50:30,000
that Chico was especially referring to. Right.

1046
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,934
- So I suppose in summary, the

1047
00:50:33,433 --> 00:50:36,100
license plate reading cameras are

1048
00:50:36,533 --> 00:50:39,066
positioned at all our entrances into Avon.

1049
00:50:39,567 --> 00:50:42,333
So there are two on each of the

1050
00:50:44,066 --> 00:50:45,767
I 70 exits into Avon.

1051
00:50:45,900 --> 00:50:50,333
And then there are another six, sorry,

1052
00:50:50,467 --> 00:50:53,333
two on the 1 6 7 2 on the 1 6 8

1053
00:50:54,467 --> 00:50:56,300
and then another four on the highway

1054
00:50:56,433 --> 00:50:57,834
six entrances into Avon.

1055
00:50:58,467 --> 00:51:01,000
And as sort of previously mentioned that the purpose of

1056
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:05,266
that was to basically have what I would nearly describe

1057
00:51:05,433 --> 00:51:08,066
as a home alarm system that's letting you know

1058
00:51:08,066 --> 00:51:10,233
that are there are incoming people

1059
00:51:10,233 --> 00:51:13,000
that are potentially trying to do bad things in Avon.

1060
00:51:13,266 --> 00:51:16,634
That was why they were proposed so that we would be aware

1061
00:51:16,700 --> 00:51:20,066
of stolen vehicles, stolen plates warrants.

1062
00:51:20,233 --> 00:51:22,734
The other aspect of that is, as stated,

1063
00:51:23,634 --> 00:51:25,500
if there's an Amber alert for a missing child,

1064
00:51:25,634 --> 00:51:27,000
a server alert for a missing senior,

1065
00:51:27,934 --> 00:51:30,233
missing indigenous individual that

1066
00:51:30,900 --> 00:51:33,000
is now a new alert on the system.

1067
00:51:33,634 --> 00:51:36,133
Our officers, we get that alert on their computers

1068
00:51:36,233 --> 00:51:37,500
and Theron Gore looking for that vehicle.

1069
00:51:38,567 --> 00:51:41,266
And in 25, unfortunately

1070
00:51:41,333 --> 00:51:43,500
after the tragic death of Jack Istic,

1071
00:51:44,700 --> 00:51:47,500
which is unfortunately still an unsolved vehicle

1072
00:51:47,500 --> 00:51:50,500
or homicide, I asked to put on

1073
00:51:51,133 --> 00:51:54,367
an extra four on Highway six two at the post roundabout

1074
00:51:54,367 --> 00:51:56,533
and two at the Avon roundabout so that we could,

1075
00:51:57,166 --> 00:52:01,133
if any crimes occurred in that section, and particularly

1076
00:52:01,133 --> 00:52:04,000
after spending four and a half million dollars on traffic

1077
00:52:04,066 --> 00:52:06,567
upgrades and pedestrian safety upgrades in that area,

1078
00:52:07,500 --> 00:52:10,033
if we had had license plate readers

1079
00:52:10,767 --> 00:52:12,266
after his debt, I believe

1080
00:52:12,266 --> 00:52:13,500
we would've solved it very quickly.

1081
00:52:15,233 --> 00:52:17,734
So what that license plate reader does,

1082
00:52:17,834 --> 00:52:20,100
it takes a photograph of the back of the vehicle,

1083
00:52:20,266 --> 00:52:21,567
not the front, it's the back

1084
00:52:21,567 --> 00:52:24,767
of the vehicle takes a photograph that point in time

1085
00:52:24,834 --> 00:52:25,934
of the license plate

1086
00:52:26,166 --> 00:52:28,467
and the ve the rear of the vehicle itself.

1087
00:52:29,867 --> 00:52:32,367
And those plates are kept for 30 days

1088
00:52:32,367 --> 00:52:34,100
and then they disappear off the system.

1089
00:52:34,700 --> 00:52:37,834
If we have a reason to investigate a crime

1090
00:52:38,133 --> 00:52:41,300
where we're looking for a particular license plate are in

1091
00:52:41,300 --> 00:52:44,500
some cases a description of a vehicle that was involved.

1092
00:52:44,500 --> 00:52:48,100
The witness says that it was a white truck with a, you know,

1093
00:52:48,367 --> 00:52:50,100
a, a ladder rack or something like that.

1094
00:52:51,066 --> 00:52:53,033
Our officers or detectives can go through that

1095
00:52:53,033 --> 00:52:55,233
and look for similar descriptions

1096
00:52:55,233 --> 00:52:56,367
of vehicles in that point in time.

1097
00:52:57,500 --> 00:53:02,100
That's LPR license plate reading cameras in relation

1098
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,533
to the speed cameras, which as town manager

1099
00:53:06,467 --> 00:53:11,133
how described, we went through a process, actually,

1100
00:53:11,867 --> 00:53:13,700
if you don't mind me saying Councillor

1101
00:53:14,934 --> 00:53:18,266
Tuan back in 2023 when this whole discussion

1102
00:53:18,266 --> 00:53:19,533
of license plate readers,

1103
00:53:19,834 --> 00:53:23,000
you brought up the issue about Li speed cameras at the time

1104
00:53:23,433 --> 00:53:25,233
and our Dan attorney said they were,

1105
00:53:25,333 --> 00:53:27,100
they were not legal in the state of Colorado.

1106
00:53:27,667 --> 00:53:29,033
Since then, the state

1107
00:53:29,033 --> 00:53:32,000
of Colorado has passed legislation under the AVA statute

1108
00:53:32,166 --> 00:53:36,567
to allow them, and as you mentioned,

1109
00:53:36,700 --> 00:53:39,000
and other counselors have mentioned the fact

1110
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,734
that Avon Road is very fast, a lot

1111
00:53:41,734 --> 00:53:43,033
of speeding, a lot of concerns.

1112
00:53:43,033 --> 00:53:44,867
We had accidents and a lot

1113
00:53:44,867 --> 00:53:47,367
of near misses across our pedestrian crosswalks.

1114
00:53:47,734 --> 00:53:49,700
That was the reason why we did a speed study.

1115
00:53:50,133 --> 00:53:52,100
And we did that speed study at the end of July, beginning

1116
00:53:52,100 --> 00:53:53,266
of August, 2025.

1117
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:55,033
Added that speed study.

1118
00:53:55,100 --> 00:53:58,533
We did a speed study on Avon Road, on Highway six

1119
00:53:59,100 --> 00:54:01,333
on Westfield Creek and on Nottingham Road.

1120
00:54:01,667 --> 00:54:05,033
And we got the statistics back from all of those areas.

1121
00:54:05,266 --> 00:54:09,867
And those areas were generated based on traffic citations,

1122
00:54:09,867 --> 00:54:12,934
traffic warnings, traffic accidents,

1123
00:54:13,900 --> 00:54:18,033
and also community inputs of multiple complaints on all

1124
00:54:18,033 --> 00:54:21,700
of those areas for ongoing concerns that somebody is going

1125
00:54:21,700 --> 00:54:23,100
to get hit in those areas.

1126
00:54:23,867 --> 00:54:26,266
After those speed studies were done, there was approximately

1127
00:54:26,867 --> 00:54:31,100
1700 vehicles per day, exceeding 10 miles per hour

1128
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,033
or plus in those particular areas.

1129
00:54:34,033 --> 00:54:37,133
We, we presented the council council had a very

1130
00:54:37,133 --> 00:54:41,100
comprehensive and robust conversation about the whole idea

1131
00:54:41,634 --> 00:54:43,000
and then about the areas

1132
00:54:43,100 --> 00:54:46,033
that potentially we would put those cameras in first.

1133
00:54:46,734 --> 00:54:50,634
And we put those cameras in mid-November.

1134
00:54:51,066 --> 00:54:53,700
We were, we were required by law to do a 30 day

1135
00:54:54,667 --> 00:54:56,066
warning period, which we did.

1136
00:54:56,266 --> 00:55:00,300
And then mid-December we started issuing tickets.

1137
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,066
Those tickets, the way our ordinance was written was

1138
00:55:04,500 --> 00:55:07,533
based on 11 miles per hour over not 10 miles per hour over

1139
00:55:07,900 --> 00:55:10,333
11 because of the way where our ordinance was written.

1140
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,467
And we have seen a dramatic decrease in the number

1141
00:55:14,467 --> 00:55:16,233
of violations per day.

1142
00:55:17,734 --> 00:55:20,500
I said at one point in time was averaging about 55,

1143
00:55:21,066 --> 00:55:22,700
it might be 60, it might be 65,

1144
00:55:22,834 --> 00:55:27,467
but in general in that general number of violations per day.

1145
00:55:28,100 --> 00:55:32,033
So obviously going from 1700 down to 60 has been

1146
00:55:33,033 --> 00:55:35,467
a substantial decrease in speeding.

1147
00:55:36,233 --> 00:55:39,066
We, one of my code enforcement officers were out

1148
00:55:40,066 --> 00:55:42,567
just in the last week as part of the investigation

1149
00:55:42,567 --> 00:55:47,033
of the vandalism was talking to two permanent residents in

1150
00:55:47,166 --> 00:55:50,467
that general area and made comments that, hey,

1151
00:55:50,467 --> 00:55:52,066
we're really appreciate the fact

1152
00:55:52,066 --> 00:55:53,033
that we have speed cameras there

1153
00:55:53,266 --> 00:55:56,500
because in the past they were afraid to go out walking

1154
00:55:56,634 --> 00:55:58,533
or crossing the street on that general facility

1155
00:55:58,667 --> 00:55:59,767
because of speeding.

1156
00:56:00,166 --> 00:56:04,467
And they have noticed a, a great reduction in speeding

1157
00:56:05,100 --> 00:56:06,033
and listen, at the end

1158
00:56:06,033 --> 00:56:07,133
of the day, that's what we're looking for.

1159
00:56:07,433 --> 00:56:10,033
You guys specifically said, we're not trying

1160
00:56:10,033 --> 00:56:12,266
to get revenue off this, we're trying to look

1161
00:56:12,266 --> 00:56:13,834
for behavioral change.

1162
00:56:14,133 --> 00:56:17,500
And I mean, to be honest, I'm, I'm, you know,

1163
00:56:17,500 --> 00:56:19,000
the company Dcra that we do it,

1164
00:56:19,300 --> 00:56:21,033
they really haven't seen the success

1165
00:56:21,166 --> 00:56:22,467
in any other jurisdiction.

1166
00:56:22,900 --> 00:56:24,767
We are a bit of an, an anomaly.

1167
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,033
We're trying to figure out why we've been this

1168
00:56:27,033 --> 00:56:28,333
successful in, in Avon.

1169
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,333
I mean, part of the law requires two warning signs

1170
00:56:32,467 --> 00:56:34,467
before each of the cameras, but

1171
00:56:34,467 --> 00:56:37,734
because we have West Benchmark in East Benchmark coming out

1172
00:56:37,734 --> 00:56:39,033
to Avon Road, we had

1173
00:56:39,033 --> 00:56:41,033
to put warning signs back there as well.

1174
00:56:41,233 --> 00:56:43,066
So there's actually six warning signs

1175
00:56:43,233 --> 00:56:44,333
approaching that southbound camera.

1176
00:56:45,133 --> 00:56:46,533
So I mean, I I threw that out.

1177
00:56:46,533 --> 00:56:48,934
Is it, is it because we've maybe overs signed,

1178
00:56:49,066 --> 00:56:51,066
we've got speed cameras in in town.

1179
00:56:51,634 --> 00:56:54,867
I, I can't give you a definitive answer other than they're

1180
00:56:54,867 --> 00:56:56,000
the statistics that we've been dealing with.

1181
00:56:56,100 --> 00:56:58,100
So that's just speed cameras.

1182
00:56:58,533 --> 00:57:01,233
Again, those cameras don't activate

1183
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:03,367
and take a photograph

1184
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,700
until it's 11 miles per hour over the speed limit.

1185
00:57:07,166 --> 00:57:10,333
So it again takes a photograph of the rear of the vehicle,

1186
00:57:10,934 --> 00:57:12,066
it takes the picture

1187
00:57:12,066 --> 00:57:13,100
of the license plate

1188
00:57:13,467 --> 00:57:14,500
specifically in the rear of the vehicle.

1189
00:57:15,367 --> 00:57:18,100
And the process is then the, the

1190
00:57:18,734 --> 00:57:23,467
vendor DCRA's AI then does a sort of a, a determination of

1191
00:57:23,467 --> 00:57:24,934
what the digits and numbers are.

1192
00:57:25,300 --> 00:57:29,734
They have a human that verifies that information in Illinois

1193
00:57:30,033 --> 00:57:31,533
and then we are required

1194
00:57:31,533 --> 00:57:34,934
to do a second human verification at the police department.

1195
00:57:35,100 --> 00:57:38,000
So our officers and code enforcement officers get a,

1196
00:57:38,033 --> 00:57:39,734
you know, get log on every day

1197
00:57:39,734 --> 00:57:41,000
and they may have 60 70

1198
00:57:41,500 --> 00:57:43,133
of these plates and Theron Gore through.

1199
00:57:43,233 --> 00:57:46,066
And this is the, the third verification ai.

1200
00:57:46,066 --> 00:57:49,033
But we know AI can make mistakes, humans can make mistakes.

1201
00:57:49,467 --> 00:57:51,000
We have a human verification

1202
00:57:51,100 --> 00:57:53,033
and we have a second human verification.

1203
00:57:53,567 --> 00:57:56,867
And for the most part we don't generally make mistakes,

1204
00:57:57,100 --> 00:58:00,533
but occasionally we do when a, a person, a,

1205
00:58:00,700 --> 00:58:02,867
a a driver highlights that to us,

1206
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:04,867
we avoid the tip simple as that.

1207
00:58:06,066 --> 00:58:09,367
And then, so that's the main cameras, the, the difference

1208
00:58:09,367 --> 00:58:11,100
between those two, two top cameras. Great.

1209
00:58:11,667 --> 00:58:12,934
- Thank you Chief. Appreciate that.

1210
00:58:13,367 --> 00:58:15,634
Okay, I think that's it for this evening.

1211
00:58:15,667 --> 00:58:17,100
Thank you again everyone for coming.

1212
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:20,934
We will take what you said and consider it. Absolutely.

1213
00:58:21,066 --> 00:58:24,834
Thank you. And we will move on to item 6.2,

1214
00:58:24,900 --> 00:58:29,567
which is a presentation by town clerk Miguel Regi Kaba

1215
00:58:29,567 --> 00:58:32,133
concerning council candidate petitions

1216
00:58:32,233 --> 00:58:34,000
and general election updates.

1217
00:58:35,333 --> 00:58:37,333
- Good evening, Matt Mayor, members of council

1218
00:58:38,133 --> 00:58:40,734
before you tonight I will be presenting a general election

1219
00:58:40,734 --> 00:58:43,066
update as we approach the midterm elections.

1220
00:58:43,367 --> 00:58:45,133
It's been a passionate topic in the news.

1221
00:58:45,367 --> 00:58:48,533
And jumping ahead, we will have the possibility,

1222
00:58:48,734 --> 00:58:50,867
which you approved earlier in the evening

1223
00:58:51,066 --> 00:58:53,500
through the action items of the consent agenda

1224
00:58:53,900 --> 00:58:56,100
of signing the intergovernmental agreement

1225
00:58:56,266 --> 00:58:58,066
for the November 3rd election.

1226
00:58:59,367 --> 00:59:02,000
With that, I will say that our election will be,

1227
00:59:02,033 --> 00:59:04,500
as I stated, November 3rd, 2026.

1228
00:59:05,300 --> 00:59:09,033
This as in the last two years, it will be a general election

1229
00:59:09,033 --> 00:59:11,734
that's administered by our partner.

1230
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,767
Now Becky, close, the Eagle County Clerk and Recorder.

1231
00:59:15,934 --> 00:59:20,834
It is a coordinated election that is a mail ballot election.

1232
00:59:21,667 --> 00:59:24,767
While there are many discussions in the news lately at a

1233
00:59:24,767 --> 00:59:29,033
federal level as to how mail ballot elections

1234
00:59:29,634 --> 00:59:32,066
will transpire and how ballots will be counted.

1235
00:59:32,367 --> 00:59:37,133
For now, there has been no change in legislation approved by

1236
00:59:37,767 --> 00:59:40,033
Congress or locally in the state of Colorado

1237
00:59:40,500 --> 00:59:42,300
or at a county or municipal level.

1238
00:59:42,834 --> 00:59:44,500
So the rules that apply are still the same.

1239
00:59:45,500 --> 00:59:49,133
The IGA participation is through this IGA that you approved.

1240
00:59:49,500 --> 00:59:51,100
It is due August 25.

1241
00:59:51,033 --> 00:59:53,634
So we are well ahead of schedule for you

1242
00:59:53,634 --> 00:59:57,133
to have designated me the designated election official

1243
00:59:57,133 --> 00:59:58,133
for the Town of Avon

1244
00:59:58,133 --> 01:00:00,767
and decide that sign that IGA on your behalf.

1245
01:00:02,066 --> 01:00:05,000
There is now a new voter service

1246
01:00:05,233 --> 01:00:10,000
and polling center, which we recently heard from, heard of

1247
01:00:10,133 --> 01:00:14,300
through our county clerk, Becky Close, who came

1248
01:00:14,333 --> 01:00:19,066
and explained what this new voting center looks like

1249
01:00:19,333 --> 01:00:22,767
and where it is located next to Freedom Park and Edwards.

1250
01:00:23,233 --> 01:00:27,734
We did used to have a Eagle County annex building

1251
01:00:28,467 --> 01:00:31,000
adjacent to Bob's place, which has since closed.

1252
01:00:31,667 --> 01:00:35,834
And while that annex building was next door,

1253
01:00:36,367 --> 01:00:40,567
we would typically host in these council chambers in the

1254
01:00:40,567 --> 01:00:43,700
week leading up to the elections,

1255
01:00:44,467 --> 01:00:46,000
a voting center here locally.

1256
01:00:47,133 --> 01:00:49,367
As of last year, I implemented in partnership

1257
01:00:49,367 --> 01:00:53,000
with our county partners, a mail ballot box,

1258
01:00:53,367 --> 01:00:56,300
a 24 hour hour ballot box that's located

1259
01:00:56,567 --> 01:01:00,066
outside our building to the left of the main entrance

1260
01:01:00,266 --> 01:01:04,367
that does have illumination 24 7, as well as a camera

1261
01:01:04,567 --> 01:01:07,266
that is monitored by the IT

1262
01:01:07,467 --> 01:01:09,700
and election officials for our county partners.

1263
01:01:10,834 --> 01:01:11,834
So if you would like

1264
01:01:12,100 --> 01:01:15,033
to visit your Eagle County voter service

1265
01:01:15,033 --> 01:01:18,467
and polling center, it is located at the Eagle County

1266
01:01:18,634 --> 01:01:23,500
Commons Building at four 10 Miller Ranch Road in Edwards.

1267
01:01:24,100 --> 01:01:26,734
As you travel across from Battle Mountain High School,

1268
01:01:26,867 --> 01:01:29,066
you'll see the parking lot while you can park for free

1269
01:01:29,467 --> 01:01:30,734
and walk inside.

1270
01:01:31,834 --> 01:01:34,467
If you would like more information related to the Town

1271
01:01:34,467 --> 01:01:38,000
of Avon elections, please go to your Town of Avon website

1272
01:01:38,634 --> 01:01:39,233
by visiting

1273
01:01:40,233 --> 01:01:45,033
www.avon.org/elections.

1274
01:01:45,867 --> 01:01:49,066
If you would like to update your voter registration,

1275
01:01:49,834 --> 01:01:53,233
please do so by visiting the Colorado Secretary

1276
01:01:53,266 --> 01:01:54,467
of State website

1277
01:01:54,900 --> 01:01:59,467
for voter registration@coloradosos.gov.

1278
01:02:00,667 --> 01:02:05,000
Now as we approach the election, it is a most important time

1279
01:02:05,367 --> 01:02:09,233
for civil participation in this municipal process

1280
01:02:10,133 --> 01:02:13,300
that gets the public to sit in the diocese face.

1281
01:02:13,433 --> 01:02:18,100
Now, nomination packets have been prepared by yours truly,

1282
01:02:18,500 --> 01:02:20,100
and are available for the public.

1283
01:02:20,634 --> 01:02:23,500
All I ask is that you come meet, meet with me,

1284
01:02:23,934 --> 01:02:26,767
and that we set aside 30 minutes to go

1285
01:02:26,767 --> 01:02:28,033
through this packet of forms.

1286
01:02:29,300 --> 01:02:30,867
While it may be new for some,

1287
01:02:31,100 --> 01:02:33,000
it is not a complicated process

1288
01:02:33,166 --> 01:02:35,834
and it is the best way to get involved locally.

1289
01:02:37,100 --> 01:02:41,066
Typically, those nomination packets by statute have

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to be ready, no er, no later than August 5th

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01:02:45,500 --> 01:02:48,734
and have to be submitted by August 25th.

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This being Avon and us having the best leaders in the

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01:02:52,100 --> 01:02:53,367
valley, we did prepare,

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01:02:53,567 --> 01:02:56,500
prepare those nomination packets early.

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01:02:57,100 --> 01:03:00,834
And if anybody would like to meet with me watching at home

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01:03:00,867 --> 01:03:02,634
through High five Access Media

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01:03:03,033 --> 01:03:04,500
or in person in the room,

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I invite you again, come meet with me.

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I will give you this nomination packet

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01:03:10,367 --> 01:03:13,867
and make sure that you know how to fill it out timely so

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01:03:13,867 --> 01:03:15,834
that you can get your name on the ballot.

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01:03:16,834 --> 01:03:21,300
Now on to eligibility requirements, you must be 18 years

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01:03:21,367 --> 01:03:23,734
of age to participate and get on that ballot.

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01:03:24,500 --> 01:03:27,066
A citizen of the United States, whether born here

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01:03:27,066 --> 01:03:30,100
or naturalized, a qualified elector.

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01:03:30,500 --> 01:03:34,533
And what that means is that you are registered to vote here

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01:03:34,700 --> 01:03:38,500
by having been a town resident for at least one year

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01:03:39,133 --> 01:03:42,300
proceeding this election to ensure that you're familiar

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with most issues affecting our local constituents

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01:03:46,734 --> 01:03:49,000
and also our guests and residents.

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Dean. There are some campaign finance reporting requirements

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that are regulated by our charter in, sorry, by our yes,

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01:03:58,133 --> 01:04:00,734
by our charter in section one point 14.

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Specifically, you would be required to report

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how much money you take in,

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01:04:07,033 --> 01:04:09,367
how much goes out and how much you keep.

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It's not a particularly difficult report

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01:04:13,100 --> 01:04:17,266
and it does get submitted online through a specific portal

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01:04:17,333 --> 01:04:19,033
that we launch every year

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and that becomes part of public information available

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01:04:22,033 --> 01:04:23,567
to the public on

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01:04:23,667 --> 01:04:27,767
how spending takes place at a municipal election with four

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01:04:28,867 --> 01:04:31,133
specific reporting periods that are

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01:04:31,133 --> 01:04:34,033
before you on the screen so that if you were

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to announce your candidacy today from now

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01:04:37,166 --> 01:04:40,033
until 15 days prior to the election, you would track

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that income and expenses

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and again eight days prior, the Friday before election day

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and then 30 days after the election.

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It tries to capture transparency

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01:04:51,066 --> 01:04:53,066
and accountability to our local

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public members of the public.

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Now comes some important dates. It is a busy slide.

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I'll try to move through it quickly

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while highlighting the most important dates that could be

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01:05:06,867 --> 01:05:09,166
of interest to the members of the public in person

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and watching us at home.

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First, that July 29th is the election launch officially

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and the availability of the candidate nomination packet.

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Why July 29th?

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Because this evening council designated me this year's

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designated election official

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and authorized me to sign the IGA that will

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01:05:31,300 --> 01:05:33,734
make this a mail ballot coordinated election.

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So as of tomorrow, stop by, get that nomination packet.

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01:05:38,734 --> 01:05:43,533
August 5th is the first day in which if you

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were to pick up a nomination packet tomorrow

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01:05:46,233 --> 01:05:49,634
and get the signatures you need, you can deliver it back

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01:05:49,634 --> 01:05:52,100
to me for me to verify signatures for you.

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01:05:53,033 --> 01:05:56,634
That window of time in which you can fill out the forms

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01:05:57,266 --> 01:06:01,500
and turn them in runs from August five to August 25

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and at on August.

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On August 25 is the date upon which I can, I have

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01:06:08,500 --> 01:06:10,834
to have signed this IGA.

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However I plan to sign it this week.

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01:06:15,734 --> 01:06:19,734
September 2nd will be the mail ballot order drawing.

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Historically, while I am an enabled by statute

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01:06:24,500 --> 01:06:27,100
and by the IGA to draw the order

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01:06:27,333 --> 01:06:30,834
through which names will appear on our Avon ballot,

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01:06:31,834 --> 01:06:36,133
we have had a very cool tradition in which our municipal

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01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:39,767
judge does the drawing on my behalf.

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Judge Buck Allen, who has now served for 48 years

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01:06:43,834 --> 01:06:47,500
as our municipal judge will be doing the drawing this year

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again on September 2nd.

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He and I have already had that conversation.

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Then on September four, I would certify the final ballot

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to our county clerk partners by providing them an English

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and Spanish version that is approved

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01:07:04,333 --> 01:07:06,300
by a certified translator

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and that contains the order of the people

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that would be appearing on our Avon ballot.

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Then on September 15,

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we would have a candidate information session

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01:07:18,900 --> 01:07:21,934
with Eric Heil, our town manager here in the room,

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01:07:22,467 --> 01:07:26,033
who would explain generally what the obligations

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01:07:26,100 --> 01:07:28,367
and expectations would be moving forward

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to our council candidates that could become elected.

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Again, that would be on September 15, followed

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by on October 2nd, Eagle County mailing.

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Tabor notices Avon will not have a Tabor notice this year.

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01:07:44,567 --> 01:07:48,634
October nine, the county will begin mailing ballots.

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01:07:49,500 --> 01:07:52,533
October 19, the voter service

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01:07:53,100 --> 01:07:57,934
and polling center in Edwards will open November 3rd

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01:07:58,500 --> 01:08:02,266
is election day ballots received up

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01:08:02,367 --> 01:08:06,900
to 7:00 PM on November 3rd will be counted

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01:08:09,333 --> 01:08:10,333
November 25th.

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Well, those received in person of course, so long

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01:08:14,100 --> 01:08:16,033
as they're postmarked prior to

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that they will also be counted after the fact.

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November 25 is the final canvas.

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01:08:22,367 --> 01:08:27,100
What is this final canvas mean for those back at home

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01:08:27,100 --> 01:08:28,934
that may may not be familiar with the term?

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01:08:29,133 --> 01:08:31,066
It is a term of art in the elections

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01:08:31,266 --> 01:08:35,500
through which our county partners certify the result

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01:08:35,700 --> 01:08:38,533
of the count of the vote of the election.

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It is in a form that gets signed by election judges

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and by county staff

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01:08:46,667 --> 01:08:49,934
and will provide me with the outcome of the election,

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01:08:49,934 --> 01:08:54,033
which I in turn post in our elections website

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01:08:54,100 --> 01:08:55,300
for the Avon town clerk.

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01:08:56,166 --> 01:08:59,066
That is a certification of the election results

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and it happens 22 days after the election.

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It is a statutory deadline to allow any count of votes

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and if there is a dispute on any signature

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01:09:12,066 --> 01:09:14,033
that could be associated in the ballot,

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it would allow our county partners to navigate the process

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01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:22,700
of verifying how that signature gets clarified.

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Last but not least,

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01:09:25,066 --> 01:09:27,734
we only have one council meeting in December

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on December eight,

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and at that December eight council meeting,

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we would do the swearing in

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01:09:34,900 --> 01:09:38,033
of Inco incoming council members, which the members

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01:09:38,033 --> 01:09:40,100
of the public would get to see in person

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01:09:40,133 --> 01:09:42,700
for the first time on high five access media.

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01:09:43,066 --> 01:09:46,567
And in this room with that, I again display

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01:09:46,634 --> 01:09:50,033
for you the Eagle County Commons Building Voting Center at

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four 10 Miller Ranch Road in Edwards.

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01:09:52,266 --> 01:09:56,467
That will be open from October 27 to November 3rd, 8:00 AM

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01:09:56,500 --> 01:09:59,734
to 5:00 PM for in-person voting

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01:09:59,900 --> 01:10:01,500
and delivering of your mail ballot.

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01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:05,100
That can get dropped off through November 4th.

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Sorry, that is a typo.

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November 3rd, 7:00 AM to 7:00 PM

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and with that I'm available to answer any questions.

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01:10:13,767 --> 01:10:15,266
- Thank you so much. Very thorough.

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01:10:15,300 --> 01:10:17,367
Thank you Miguel. Questions for Miguel.

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01:10:18,033 --> 01:10:20,000
- Rich, Miguel, a couple questions for you. Yes.

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01:10:20,066 --> 01:10:22,100
First off, someone wants to run for counsel.

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01:10:22,266 --> 01:10:25,000
They pick up a petition, how many signatures do they need

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01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:27,500
and help us understand what's a valid signature on

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01:10:27,500 --> 01:10:29,934
that Pat petition or did you cover that and I missed it?

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01:10:30,266 --> 01:10:32,333
- You I did not cover that specifically

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01:10:32,333 --> 01:10:34,367
and I'm ha happy to answer that question.

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01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:39,533
Our nomination packet has a form called the Affidavit

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01:10:39,567 --> 01:10:40,767
of the Circulator.

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01:10:41,433 --> 01:10:44,133
What the circulator does is he fills out

1438
01:10:44,266 --> 01:10:46,100
that they're gonna be getting signatures

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01:10:46,166 --> 01:10:47,767
to get somebody on the ballot.

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01:10:48,500 --> 01:10:50,533
It can be the candidate themselves

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01:10:50,700 --> 01:10:52,100
or somebody else on their behalf.

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01:10:52,900 --> 01:10:55,500
And what they do is they fill out this form

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01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:59,233
and it has a list where you can identify the name,

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01:10:59,834 --> 01:11:02,033
the address, and the signature

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01:11:02,033 --> 01:11:05,700
of the person supporting the candidate to get on the ballot.

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01:11:06,867 --> 01:11:10,533
Our town code indicates that you need a minimum

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01:11:10,667 --> 01:11:13,000
of 10 signatures to get on the ballot.

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01:11:13,367 --> 01:11:15,000
It's a pretty low threshold,

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01:11:15,467 --> 01:11:19,500
however, my forms specifically as updated every year

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01:11:20,066 --> 01:11:21,767
and invite those circulators

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01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:24,634
to obtain no less than 20 signatures.

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01:11:25,233 --> 01:11:27,133
You may ask yourself why that's important.

1453
01:11:28,367 --> 01:11:32,266
I, after I sign this IGA with the county

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01:11:33,567 --> 01:11:37,433
communicate with the Secretary of State to be allowed

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01:11:37,634 --> 01:11:41,533
to access a DA a database for the time period

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01:11:41,567 --> 01:11:45,433
where I can receive these nomination packet forms.

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01:11:46,033 --> 01:11:50,033
That allows me to go online through the tracer app,

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01:11:50,533 --> 01:11:51,567
which is the system

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01:11:52,033 --> 01:11:55,266
provided by the state to look up every person

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01:11:55,667 --> 01:11:58,000
that has signed a nomination petition

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01:11:58,700 --> 01:12:00,133
or this circulator affidavit.

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01:12:00,767 --> 01:12:04,100
And what I do is I look them up based on their name

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01:12:04,233 --> 01:12:08,266
and their address and the best practice for a town clerk is

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01:12:08,266 --> 01:12:10,367
to match the name of the person

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01:12:10,867 --> 01:12:13,066
and their address in their signature

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01:12:14,266 --> 01:12:16,834
with the voting registration for

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01:12:16,867 --> 01:12:21,033
that per person on the Colorado SOS website.

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01:12:21,767 --> 01:12:23,734
And what I've seen happen year in

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01:12:23,734 --> 01:12:26,867
and year out is that sometimes if you catch someone

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01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:28,333
outside a grocery store

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01:12:28,500 --> 01:12:30,500
or outside the door of their domicile,

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01:12:31,100 --> 01:12:32,900
they may do a quick signature

1473
01:12:33,500 --> 01:12:35,900
that maybe isn't exactly similar

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01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:38,667
or the same than the one in their voter registration.

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01:12:39,367 --> 01:12:41,834
In the last three years, I've also updated those forms

1476
01:12:41,934 --> 01:12:45,834
to invite people to sign in the way that they've signed

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01:12:46,300 --> 01:12:49,033
as part of their voter registration to try

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01:12:49,033 --> 01:12:51,133
and lessen that situation from happening.

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01:12:51,734 --> 01:12:55,033
And while it could happen, if you get the best practice

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01:12:55,033 --> 01:12:58,000
of 20 signatures, the likelihood that I'll be able

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01:12:58,000 --> 01:12:59,900
to secure 10 is really high.

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01:13:00,767 --> 01:13:04,066
And so if for any reason somebody comes in with just 10

1483
01:13:04,734 --> 01:13:08,667
and they lose one, they can still go back out, get

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01:13:08,667 --> 01:13:11,066
that extra signature and I'll verify it

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01:13:11,066 --> 01:13:13,100
and make sure that they complete their nomination.

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01:13:14,033 --> 01:13:15,133
- You answered my second question.

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01:13:15,634 --> 01:13:18,100
- I'm glad to hear it. - Some you didn't have enough

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01:13:18,133 --> 01:13:19,133
signatures 'cause some were thrown out.

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01:13:19,133 --> 01:13:21,000
You have a chance to kinda cure that issue.

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01:13:21,433 --> 01:13:25,033
- You do. What I'll give you in the nomination packet is two

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01:13:25,033 --> 01:13:28,767
pages with 25 signature blocks available.

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01:13:29,500 --> 01:13:32,033
I don't think I've ever seen anybody in the three

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01:13:32,033 --> 01:13:33,033
and a half years I've worked

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01:13:33,033 --> 01:13:35,033
for the town turn in the two pages.

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01:13:35,367 --> 01:13:38,500
Usually it'll be one page, maybe a second page.

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01:13:39,734 --> 01:13:43,533
And that allows me to get everybody on the ballot.

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01:13:44,100 --> 01:13:45,100
And since I've worked here,

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01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:48,734
I've never had anybody be disqualified from being on the

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01:13:48,734 --> 01:13:50,100
ballot for lack of signatures.

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01:13:50,934 --> 01:13:54,266
- Great, thank you. - Great. More questions for Miguel?

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01:13:56,533 --> 01:13:58,934
Exciting times. Let's see.

1502
01:14:01,533 --> 01:14:03,333
Let's see if the public has any input.

1503
01:14:03,367 --> 01:14:05,233
Is there any public input concerning

1504
01:14:05,867 --> 01:14:07,300
the Avon election upcoming?

1505
01:14:08,634 --> 01:14:11,767
Is there anybody online inika with a raised hand

1506
01:14:11,767 --> 01:14:13,066
or press star nine on your phone.

1507
01:14:13,066 --> 01:14:15,033
Seeing no hands Madam Mayor. Okay.

1508
01:14:15,100 --> 01:14:18,467
No public input on this matter and we will move on.

1509
01:14:18,667 --> 01:14:20,000
Is there anything more for Miguel?

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01:14:20,500 --> 01:14:22,533
I think we take this under advisement as well

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01:14:22,867 --> 01:14:24,100
and that's great.

1512
01:14:24,266 --> 01:14:28,133
I look forward to the next election.

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01:14:29,767 --> 01:14:32,767
Thank you Miguel. Okay, now I'm going

1514
01:14:32,767 --> 01:14:36,233
to declare a recess from our regular Avon time council

1515
01:14:36,233 --> 01:14:39,333
meeting to convene as the Avon Urban Renewal Authority.

1516
01:14:40,033 --> 01:14:42,066
The time now is six 14

1517
01:14:43,233 --> 01:14:47,000
and I called to order the Avon of re Urban Renewal Authority

1518
01:14:47,133 --> 01:14:50,133
for Tuesday, July 28th, 2026.

1519
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:52,367
A roll call please. Miguel.

1520
01:14:56,066 --> 01:14:59,000
- Thank you Madam Mayor. Chico Twan. Here. Rich Carroll?

1521
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:01,834
Here. Tamra Underwood? Here. Gary Brooks. Here.

1522
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:04,700
Ruth Stanley. Here. Lindsey Hardy's. Absent. Kevin Hyatt?

1523
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:06,000
Yes.

1524
01:15:07,166 --> 01:15:10,000
- Thank you. Our first matter is approval of the agenda.

1525
01:15:10,033 --> 01:15:11,734
Are there any changes

1526
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:15,634
to the Urban Renewal Authority agenda or motion please?

1527
01:15:16,133 --> 01:15:17,700
I move to approve the agenda.

1528
01:15:20,634 --> 01:15:22,333
Thank you Ruthie and Kevin.

1529
01:15:22,734 --> 01:15:26,500
All those in favor please say aye. Aye. Aye. Those opposed?

1530
01:15:26,500 --> 01:15:30,367
Please say nay. Okay, the agenda is approved six to zero.

1531
01:15:31,133 --> 01:15:32,567
Now is the time for public comment

1532
01:15:32,700 --> 01:15:34,500
to the Avon Urban Renewal Authority.

1533
01:15:35,266 --> 01:15:37,033
Comments are to be limited to three minutes

1534
01:15:37,133 --> 01:15:38,767
and additional one minute can be granted

1535
01:15:38,834 --> 01:15:39,867
in the board's discretion.

1536
01:15:39,900 --> 01:15:43,533
Does anybody have anything to provide comments

1537
01:15:43,834 --> 01:15:45,133
to the Urban Renewal Authority?

1538
01:15:45,900 --> 01:15:46,934
Is there anyone online?

1539
01:15:47,033 --> 01:15:51,567
Inika with the raised hand seeing no hands. Okay.

1540
01:15:51,767 --> 01:15:54,033
A few folks online but Alright. Alright.

1541
01:15:54,066 --> 01:15:57,333
Thank you very much. Our first business item is Resolution

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26 0 1.

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01:15:58,667 --> 01:16:01,000
It's an intergovernmental agreement between the Town

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of Avon, Colorado

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01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:06,133
and this urban Avon Urban Renewal Authority

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01:16:06,033 --> 01:16:08,567
concerning the remittance of tax increment revenue

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01:16:09,033 --> 01:16:10,734
until 2033.

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01:16:11,033 --> 01:16:14,033
And we have Paul Redmond, RCFO.

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01:16:14,133 --> 01:16:16,033
- Alright, thank you Miguel.

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01:16:16,033 --> 01:16:19,300
There's a PowerPoint and we could pull up would be,

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01:16:21,133 --> 01:16:22,767
- So you just

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go ahead.

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01:16:39,667 --> 01:16:41,467
- All right. Good evening, chairwoman

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01:16:41,700 --> 01:16:43,000
Underwood and Authority members.

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01:16:43,367 --> 01:16:46,000
The reason for this meeting is two separate intergovernment

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01:16:46,033 --> 01:16:49,433
agreements concerning the tax revenue increment revenues.

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01:16:53,266 --> 01:16:56,900
Both Rev, both intergovernmental agreements will be adopted

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01:16:57,500 --> 01:17:01,300
by resolution and are about making some of the future tax EV

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01:17:01,934 --> 01:17:05,266
revenues flow appropriate to the

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01:17:05,433 --> 01:17:08,166
for the correct public purpose resolution.

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01:17:08,166 --> 01:17:12,266
26.1 is focused on the reimbursement on the town

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01:17:13,100 --> 01:17:17,266
to the town for the in investment within the summit Project

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01:17:18,100 --> 01:17:22,500
Resolution 26.02 is focused on the overlapping boundaries

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01:17:23,066 --> 01:17:25,333
at lot B

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01:17:25,934 --> 01:17:28,367
to the coordinate the Avon Renewable Authority,

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01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:31,000
the Down Avon Downtown Development Authority

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01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:34,300
and Avon Station district revenue streams.

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First up, we have resolution 2026 dash one

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resolution 26 dash one adopts the an intergovernmental

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01:17:44,033 --> 01:17:45,567
agreement between the Town of Avon

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01:17:45,934 --> 01:17:48,867
and Avon Urban Renewable Authority

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for the Summit Development.

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01:17:51,133 --> 01:17:54,700
Under this agreement, the Avon Urban Renewal Authority

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would remit summit generated tax revenues to the Town

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01:17:58,467 --> 01:18:02,367
of Avon through December 3rd December of 2033.

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01:18:03,367 --> 01:18:06,500
The purpose is to help offset the approximately 10 million

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01:18:07,333 --> 01:18:10,000
in the town supported public investment including the

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community space, the adjacent patio, the dedicated parking,

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and the community housing restrictions.

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Did deed restrictions, sorry.

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01:18:23,100 --> 01:18:25,133
Does council have any questions in regard to

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resolution 26 dash one?

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01:18:28,100 --> 01:18:31,033
I would like to point out this does not create additional

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01:18:31,100 --> 01:18:32,533
expenditures for the town.

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01:18:33,367 --> 01:18:37,767
It is just offsetting some of the costs

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that are associated with the summit investment.

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- Questions for Paul? - Hmm?

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01:18:45,033 --> 01:18:49,166
- No, no questions. Let's see if the public has any comment.

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01:18:51,367 --> 01:18:53,300
Would anybody like to speak to us please?

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01:18:53,300 --> 01:18:55,900
About the IGA concerning the remittance

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01:18:55,900 --> 01:18:59,834
of tax increment financing through 2033 between the URA

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and the town itself.

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01:19:03,166 --> 01:19:06,734
Okay. Seeing no one, let's have board discussion

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01:19:06,734 --> 01:19:11,133
and deliberation of the resolution or a motion.

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01:19:11,867 --> 01:19:14,500
There's one on page 85 or on the screen.

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- I'd like to propose a motion. Thank

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- You Gary. You're welcome.

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- I move to approve resolution 26 dash zero one approving

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the intergovernmental agreement between the Town of Avon

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01:19:29,100 --> 01:19:31,166
and the Avon Urban Renewal Authority

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01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:33,166
concerning the remittance

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01:19:33,333 --> 01:19:36,166
of tax increment revenues from the Summit Development

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01:19:36,166 --> 01:19:37,834
through 2033.

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- Second. Thank you Gary and Ruthie.

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All those in favor of the motion please say aye. A Aye. Aye.

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Those opposed, please say nay.

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Hearing none, the motion passes six to zero

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and we are on to resolution 26 0 2, which is item 4.2

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of our Urban Renewal Authority agenda.

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01:19:56,433 --> 01:19:58,066
It's the intergovernmental agreement

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01:19:58,066 --> 01:20:00,834
concerning tax increment increment

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incremental tax rent concerning incremental tax revenue

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01:20:07,066 --> 01:20:10,333
derive through the development of Lot B Avon Town Core,

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01:20:10,734 --> 01:20:14,467
which is the Summit Apartments CFO, Paul Redmond

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- And thank you chair.

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01:20:17,433 --> 01:20:20,066
Thank you. Chairwoman Underwood.

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Resolution 26 slash two is a separate agreement addressing

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lot B within Avon station.

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01:20:26,133 --> 01:20:28,700
Lot B is the only property within the Avon station

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that overlaps both the Avon Urban Renewable Authority

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and the Avon Downtown Development Authority boundary.

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The A, the IGA clarifies how the,

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01:20:41,233 --> 01:20:45,867
the tax revenue, the tax increment revenue is allocated,

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retained and distributed to the Urban Renewable Authority

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and the Downtown Development Authority.

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This agreement approves it was approved

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by the Downtown Development Authority in June

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and by the Town Council earlier tonight.

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Ah, did that echoes? Yeah.

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The key benefit of the agreement makes sure

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that the complicated overlapping revenue streams flow

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correctly and legally

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to support the investment in the Summit Project.

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I'm happy to answer any questions that the board may have

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or there is a motion on the screen.

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- Questions for Paul? No questions.

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Thank you for the thorough memos and presentation.

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01:21:27,934 --> 01:21:29,567
We'll see if there's any public input,

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01:21:29,634 --> 01:21:32,700
which I doubt please approach.

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01:21:33,533 --> 01:21:37,634
Okay. Seeing no public input on this matter, we will move on

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01:21:37,634 --> 01:21:39,333
to board discussion and deliberation

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01:21:39,567 --> 01:21:41,533
concerning resolution 26 0 2.

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01:21:41,634 --> 01:21:44,467
Is there any discussion or a motion please?

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01:21:45,767 --> 01:21:48,834
- I move to approve resolution 26 dash two,

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01:21:49,266 --> 01:21:50,834
the intergovernmental agreement

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01:21:50,867 --> 01:21:54,000
concerning incremental tax revenue lot B

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01:21:54,467 --> 01:21:57,000
among the Avon Urban Renewal Authority,

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01:21:58,000 --> 01:21:59,867
the Avon Downtown Development Authority

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01:22:00,133 --> 01:22:02,834
and Avon Station Metropolitan District.

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01:22:03,934 --> 01:22:06,100
- Second. - Thank you Ruthie. And Kevin.

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01:22:06,133 --> 01:22:09,066
All those in favor of the motion please say aye. Aye. Aye.

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01:22:09,066 --> 01:22:10,233
Those opposed? Please say nay.

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01:22:11,066 --> 01:22:13,634
Okay, that motion passes six to zero as well. Thank you.

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01:22:13,634 --> 01:22:17,700
- Authority members - Next item is approval

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01:22:17,734 --> 01:22:20,700
of our minutes from the Urban Renewal Authority meeting

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01:22:20,734 --> 01:22:22,867
of December 9th, 2025.

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01:22:22,934 --> 01:22:24,266
Do I hear a motion for approval?

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01:22:25,033 --> 01:22:26,066
- I move to approve the minutes.

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01:22:26,667 --> 01:22:28,867
- Second. Thank you Ruthie and Gary.

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01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:31,000
All those in favor please say aye. Aye.

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01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:32,066
Those opposed, please say nay.

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01:22:32,634 --> 01:22:35,000
That motion passes six to zero as well.

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01:22:35,934 --> 01:22:39,266
I adjourn the meeting of the Avon Urban Renewal Authority

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and I reconvene the regular Avon Town Council meeting

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for Tuesday, July 28th, 2026.

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01:22:48,834 --> 01:22:53,300
The time now is 6:23 PM And our next item

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is the, is an action item.

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This is a funding request for Hidden Valley Estates.

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We have leading us Community development director,

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Matt Peel sticker.

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- Come see

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- And I see the team of Hidden Valley Estates here as well.

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01:23:15,533 --> 01:23:18,533
This will be great. So Matt, you lead us.

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01:23:19,500 --> 01:23:23,300
- Thank you Matt and Mayor. This has been a team effort.

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01:23:23,467 --> 01:23:27,000
A lot of people in the room town, attorney town manager,

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01:23:27,133 --> 01:23:31,066
Jena Skinner, Patty Lehrman, the whole development team

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01:23:31,100 --> 01:23:34,567
with their attorney, Bobby Lad architect.

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01:23:35,567 --> 01:23:38,500
Who else? Steve McDonald. All sorts of people.

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01:23:38,700 --> 01:23:41,266
So thanks for being here. This is the Hidden Valley

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Estates Community housing project funding request

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01:23:45,734 --> 01:23:47,867
and AME amendment to the development agreement.

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01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:51,533
Just to get everybody oriented,

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01:23:52,266 --> 01:23:54,333
I think a couple council members weren't here last time

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01:23:54,333 --> 01:23:55,467
we discussed this project.

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01:23:57,000 --> 01:24:01,033
The Hidden Valley Estates formerly was called Track Y.

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01:24:01,100 --> 01:24:05,033
It's located on Metcalf Road. It's a seven acre parcel.

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01:24:05,900 --> 01:24:09,000
It is approved for 53 community housing units.

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01:24:10,834 --> 01:24:13,934
The property was rezoned a few years back to allow

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01:24:13,934 --> 01:24:16,467
for community housing as a use by right, and,

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01:24:16,900 --> 01:24:19,467
and that's what's before you, there are duplexes

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01:24:19,567 --> 01:24:21,300
and town homes as part of this project.

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01:24:22,133 --> 01:24:24,066
Seeing community housing units, they have

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01:24:24,066 --> 01:24:25,533
to be de restricted to locals.

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01:24:26,567 --> 01:24:27,934
No short term rental use.

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01:24:28,133 --> 01:24:31,867
And there are 18 units permitted.

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01:24:32,533 --> 01:24:35,100
When I say permitted, I mean permitted by building permit

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01:24:35,500 --> 01:24:39,066
and under construction about half of those are vertical.

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01:24:39,066 --> 01:24:42,467
If you go by the site, you can't, you can't miss it.

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01:24:45,100 --> 01:24:48,066
This is the property, well now we're turned sideways.

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01:24:48,100 --> 01:24:49,734
That's Metcalf Road on the bottom.

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01:24:49,934 --> 01:24:51,100
So for right to left,

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01:24:51,100 --> 01:24:52,867
that's going up the hill on Metcalf Road.

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01:24:53,233 --> 01:24:55,000
And that's the general lot layout.

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01:24:55,834 --> 01:25:00,333
Each of those boxes, each of those lots along the road are

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01:25:00,333 --> 01:25:02,767
what you're seeing under construction lot.

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01:25:02,934 --> 01:25:06,367
A is a triplex lot, B is a triplex and so on so forth.

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01:25:07,133 --> 01:25:10,467
As you go around kind of the horseshoe up up the drainage,

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none of that's permitted yet.

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01:25:12,634 --> 01:25:15,100
It's being used for staging

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01:25:15,266 --> 01:25:17,867
and it it turns from triplexes to duplexes

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01:25:17,900 --> 01:25:19,300
as you kind of go around that corner.

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01:25:23,533 --> 01:25:27,000
Just a quick timeline, this goes back to 2021, actually just

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before 2021, there was a developer in front of council

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that was looking at a storage project,

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01:25:32,567 --> 01:25:33,567
self self-storage project.

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01:25:34,634 --> 01:25:37,100
They took an old subdivision plat

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01:25:37,100 --> 01:25:40,033
that had some funky notes on it about building envelopes

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01:25:40,433 --> 01:25:42,367
and they re platted that lot to,

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01:25:42,867 --> 01:25:47,066
to define the buildable area based on objective standards

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01:25:47,300 --> 01:25:48,367
topography mostly.

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01:25:49,133 --> 01:25:53,100
And so luckily that developer, well that didn't work out.

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01:25:53,133 --> 01:25:55,567
And then this development team came along

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01:25:55,700 --> 01:25:57,000
and requested a fee waiver

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01:25:57,667 --> 01:25:59,867
for a community housing project on this property.

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01:26:00,734 --> 01:26:03,700
The actual development plan for the design of the project

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01:26:03,900 --> 01:26:06,500
and the subdivision of those lots A, B,

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C were approved in 2023.

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01:26:09,900 --> 01:26:13,100
And that is also the time in which the development agreement

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01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:14,066
was approved for this project.

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01:26:15,133 --> 01:26:18,066
Between 23 and 25 construction started

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with all the utilities

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01:26:19,934 --> 01:26:23,934
and then things started to go vertical while we're here.

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01:26:24,100 --> 01:26:26,033
One of the things we're here to talk about tonight is the

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initial pledge that the Town Council

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01:26:30,734 --> 01:26:33,066
provided for this project, for the development team

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01:26:35,066 --> 01:26:38,634
was $600,000 for up to six units, the first six units

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01:26:38,667 --> 01:26:42,734
of the project to up to 12%

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01:26:42,834 --> 01:26:46,066
of the sales price up to a hundred thousand dollars per unit

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01:26:46,900 --> 01:26:51,467
that expired December 31st, 2025 last year

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01:26:52,333 --> 01:26:54,300
in which the U, those first six units were

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01:26:54,300 --> 01:26:55,834
to be completed and constructed.

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01:26:56,367 --> 01:26:59,934
And that's when the obligation for the town

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to provide $600,000 expired.

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01:27:02,367 --> 01:27:05,700
So now we're here reviewing a new request,

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01:27:06,467 --> 01:27:10,567
which would run through December 31st, 2027.

1746
01:27:11,066 --> 01:27:12,033
I'll just jump right to it.

1747
01:27:13,934 --> 01:27:15,934
So before Town Council is, is

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what we're calling the first amendment

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01:27:17,166 --> 01:27:18,233
to the development agreement.

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01:27:19,166 --> 01:27:22,533
The request is to increase the initial funding commitment

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01:27:22,533 --> 01:27:26,767
from 600,000 to 900,000 like I just mentioned,

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01:27:26,767 --> 01:27:29,333
extending the period for the town's obligation instead

1753
01:27:29,333 --> 01:27:31,500
of December last year to December next year

1754
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:34,934
to complete those units up to nine units.

1755
01:27:36,533 --> 01:27:39,734
There was a clause about water rights which were deleting

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01:27:39,734 --> 01:27:41,333
because there is water for the project.

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01:27:42,166 --> 01:27:45,300
That's a, that's up been one of the first, whereas clauses

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01:27:45,867 --> 01:27:50,233
of the amendment, there were several references to me, casa,

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01:27:50,233 --> 01:27:52,934
that was the only program we had at the time, 2021.

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01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:56,000
And so with the evolution of de restrictions

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01:27:56,100 --> 01:27:58,834
and the different varieties we have, we'd just like

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01:27:58,834 --> 01:28:00,100
to remove mikasa

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01:28:00,700 --> 01:28:05,100
and defer to the other agreements we have on the shelf.

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01:28:07,567 --> 01:28:10,567
And then deleting exhibits B

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01:28:10,567 --> 01:28:13,100
and C, which we, those old form de restrictions.

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01:28:15,834 --> 01:28:18,133
So before council is, is the funding request,

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01:28:20,266 --> 01:28:24,033
does the council support 600, 900 or or another amount?

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01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:27,000
The municipal employee homeownership program?

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01:28:27,166 --> 01:28:31,100
Me hop, we have had no implied interest

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01:28:31,100 --> 01:28:32,834
that I've heard about this year.

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01:28:32,900 --> 01:28:36,467
And so the balance of that fund is 625,000.

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01:28:37,300 --> 01:28:41,100
We've had a lot more interest in good deeds, good deeds,

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01:28:41,100 --> 01:28:43,233
Avon and a, a little bit of mesa.

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01:28:44,066 --> 01:28:47,100
You could see the balance on the screen, just over 650,000.

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01:28:48,467 --> 01:28:52,100
We have a few transactions that have been sort

1776
01:28:52,100 --> 01:28:54,333
of getting close to com completion

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01:28:55,133 --> 01:28:59,100
and we did pause those programs when we knew this request

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01:28:59,100 --> 01:29:00,467
was coming to Town Council to give you

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01:29:00,467 --> 01:29:01,567
the chance to look at it.

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01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:05,467
Those total 300, almost $400,000

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01:29:06,133 --> 01:29:08,100
and the balance you could see on the screen.

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01:29:08,667 --> 01:29:13,066
So all in all there's about $880,000 of funds

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01:29:13,333 --> 01:29:14,634
for all programs.

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01:29:15,500 --> 01:29:17,100
And just to put this into context,

1785
01:29:17,433 --> 01:29:19,734
with everything else going on,

1786
01:29:23,934 --> 01:29:26,066
you have at least five options.

1787
01:29:26,634 --> 01:29:28,033
I always seem to miss one,

1788
01:29:28,133 --> 01:29:32,734
but counsel could approve as proposed the 900,000

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01:29:32,734 --> 01:29:35,300
for the first nine units leaving approximately

1790
01:29:35,300 --> 01:29:39,033
$377,000 in funds.

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01:29:40,133 --> 01:29:42,667
The Town Council could approve the original request,

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01:29:42,667 --> 01:29:45,634
which was for $600,000 for the first six units.

1793
01:29:46,500 --> 01:29:50,433
You can approve an alternate amount as you deem appropriate.

1794
01:29:50,667 --> 01:29:52,100
You could continue this discussion

1795
01:29:52,233 --> 01:29:55,133
or you could deny the request for f financial assistance

1796
01:29:58,266 --> 01:30:00,300
Staff recommends that council take action this

1797
01:30:00,300 --> 01:30:02,500
evening for, for a few reasons.

1798
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:04,867
The, if, if you haven't been out on the site,

1799
01:30:05,867 --> 01:30:07,033
they are marketing the project.

1800
01:30:07,100 --> 01:30:09,166
There is a website that was linked in your packet.

1801
01:30:10,066 --> 01:30:12,567
There's perspective homeowners

1802
01:30:12,567 --> 01:30:13,767
that are waiting to see what happens.

1803
01:30:14,066 --> 01:30:16,166
It's, it's hard to communicate what the

1804
01:30:17,100 --> 01:30:19,567
potential contribution is or is not at this point.

1805
01:30:19,700 --> 01:30:22,033
And so given that some

1806
01:30:22,033 --> 01:30:24,033
of the construction will be completed this fall,

1807
01:30:24,734 --> 01:30:27,634
we do recommend at least discussing this

1808
01:30:27,667 --> 01:30:29,066
and taking action as soon as you can.

1809
01:30:30,367 --> 01:30:34,300
We recommend repurposing the ME hop funds, which again,

1810
01:30:34,433 --> 01:30:38,100
the balance was 625 for this project.

1811
01:30:38,233 --> 01:30:42,634
And then reopen the mikasa good deeds, Avon monies

1812
01:30:42,634 --> 01:30:44,100
until they're, until they're gone.

1813
01:30:45,066 --> 01:30:49,133
And That's it in a nutshell.

1814
01:30:50,100 --> 01:30:51,367
There's a recommended motion.

1815
01:30:52,767 --> 01:30:54,266
We, there's quite a bit

1816
01:30:54,266 --> 01:30:55,734
of information in your packet including

1817
01:30:55,734 --> 01:30:59,066
that entire original deed development agreement is,

1818
01:30:59,266 --> 01:31:02,100
and then the first amendment, there's a couple images

1819
01:31:02,133 --> 01:31:04,767
that the applicant would also like to present to you.

1820
01:31:04,767 --> 01:31:06,100
So I'll pull those up when ready.

1821
01:31:06,033 --> 01:31:08,300
But happy to answer any questions. Okay, great.

1822
01:31:09,033 --> 01:31:10,166
May I ask a quick question? Of course.

1823
01:31:10,467 --> 01:31:12,433
So with that proposal, it would leave

1824
01:31:13,667 --> 01:31:17,634
approximately 700 Gs in the ssa.

1825
01:31:18,066 --> 01:31:21,066
It would keep it alive, keep them.

1826
01:31:21,867 --> 01:31:25,367
We have right now the balance for SSA's 650,000.

1827
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:29,266
There's pending contracts that would use good deeds

1828
01:31:29,367 --> 01:31:32,900
that we're partnered with that were about 400,000.

1829
01:31:33,767 --> 01:31:36,900
And so if we unpause

1830
01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:41,066
or reopen the remaining funds, there would be, there's

1831
01:31:41,834 --> 01:31:44,133
contracts in the work that would use 400,000

1832
01:31:44,133 --> 01:31:45,300
of that remaining six 50.

1833
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:50,667
For the 600,000 that Hidden Valley States is requesting.

1834
01:31:51,066 --> 01:31:53,266
What we're suggesting is to repurpose

1835
01:31:54,100 --> 01:31:57,867
the municipal employee housing funds that we had set aside

1836
01:31:58,533 --> 01:32:01,700
to support initially at least 600,000.

1837
01:32:02,233 --> 01:32:05,533
So the bottom line would be 700,000.

1838
01:32:05,533 --> 01:32:08,000
Can you go up ssa, is that correct? Approximately?

1839
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:09,133
I think 77

1840
01:32:09,266 --> 01:32:14,066
or it would be if you fund, if you find out a me hop.

1841
01:32:14,100 --> 01:32:18,767
Yep. Then we have 625,000 in good deeds. Mikasa?

1842
01:32:18,767 --> 01:32:22,133
Yeah, we have a pending applications for 400,000.

1843
01:32:22,700 --> 01:32:24,500
We, after those pending applications,

1844
01:32:24,500 --> 01:32:27,300
there'd be about 250,000 remaining.

1845
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:29,000
- For Mikasa, it's

1846
01:32:29,033 --> 01:32:30,567
- From Mikasa, which,

1847
01:32:30,567 --> 01:32:33,066
and that's including the repurpose SMI h No,

1848
01:32:33,066 --> 01:32:34,467
that's not, that would be separate.

1849
01:32:34,467 --> 01:32:36,333
Including that's a separate amount.

1850
01:32:36,333 --> 01:32:37,634
That will be separately. Re

1851
01:32:38,066 --> 01:32:39,300
- Yeah, so that's that 800 number.

1852
01:32:39,634 --> 01:32:42,333
- Oh that's an 800 800 number. Okay. So that explains it.

1853
01:32:42,333 --> 01:32:44,100
So Theron Gore, thank you so much. I appreciate it.

1854
01:32:44,500 --> 01:32:46,100
Thank you you guys. Sorry.

1855
01:32:46,934 --> 01:32:48,233
- That's good. No, that's an important,

1856
01:32:48,433 --> 01:32:49,467
that's an important part.

1857
01:32:51,033 --> 01:32:52,767
There probably are questions should we hear

1858
01:32:52,767 --> 01:32:54,066
from the development team first?

1859
01:32:54,900 --> 01:32:56,734
Can we do that? Sure. And then we'll have questions.

1860
01:32:56,734 --> 01:32:59,033
Yeah, so we have some images.

1861
01:32:59,133 --> 01:33:00,333
Do you guys have a presentation

1862
01:33:00,467 --> 01:33:02,100
or did you just wanna answer questions

1863
01:33:02,133 --> 01:33:06,133
or, I don't know, whatever you planned. Okay, great. Super.

1864
01:33:06,634 --> 01:33:08,767
- This images, thanks. My name's,

1865
01:33:09,100 --> 01:33:11,533
- Can you turn on the microphone? Thank you. Yeah,

1866
01:33:11,533 --> 01:33:12,533
- Perfect.

1867
01:33:12,533 --> 01:33:13,066
Thank you. My name's Bobby Ladd.

1868
01:33:13,066 --> 01:33:15,867
I'm the architect on the project, so I've been involved

1869
01:33:15,867 --> 01:33:18,233
with it from the very beginning back in 2021.

1870
01:33:19,066 --> 01:33:21,767
This is an image I sent Matt earlier to pull up, just

1871
01:33:21,767 --> 01:33:25,367
to kind of give you a, a kind of a, a status of the site

1872
01:33:25,367 --> 01:33:26,834
and how we're moving through the project.

1873
01:33:26,867 --> 01:33:30,734
Right now. The first buildings along Metcalf Road

1874
01:33:31,066 --> 01:33:34,100
or the ones that are under construction, the three in red,

1875
01:33:34,900 --> 01:33:37,567
we started on the one to the left, the first one on the left

1876
01:33:37,634 --> 01:33:39,533
and have moved across the site kind of

1877
01:33:39,533 --> 01:33:40,867
to the south direction wise.

1878
01:33:41,300 --> 01:33:43,367
Those first three in red are scheduled

1879
01:33:43,367 --> 01:33:45,233
to be completed in 2026.

1880
01:33:45,734 --> 01:33:46,934
And there's actually one

1881
01:33:46,934 --> 01:33:48,834
of 'em has a pending contract on it.

1882
01:33:49,266 --> 01:33:51,867
Based on this meeting tonight is,

1883
01:33:51,934 --> 01:33:53,100
is kind of a part of that factor.

1884
01:33:53,867 --> 01:33:56,233
The next three in blue are gonna be completed

1885
01:33:56,533 --> 01:33:57,700
sometime in 2027.

1886
01:33:57,700 --> 01:33:58,867
They're not far behind.

1887
01:33:59,567 --> 01:34:03,533
They actually poured the foundation on the one kind

1888
01:34:03,533 --> 01:34:04,634
of pointing up the page.

1889
01:34:05,033 --> 01:34:08,033
That foundation was just poured week and a half ago.

1890
01:34:08,667 --> 01:34:11,834
So those will be, continue to move forward with framing.

1891
01:34:11,834 --> 01:34:13,934
They're basically going one to one to one

1892
01:34:13,934 --> 01:34:15,033
to one to one and moving across.

1893
01:34:15,867 --> 01:34:18,700
And then the next two in green are being submitted

1894
01:34:18,700 --> 01:34:20,300
for permit this summer.

1895
01:34:20,667 --> 01:34:22,467
So those will be staged up and ready to go.

1896
01:34:22,533 --> 01:34:24,367
Obviously the, the timing of it and,

1897
01:34:24,567 --> 01:34:27,634
and how fast it moves forward from here depends on,

1898
01:34:28,100 --> 01:34:30,734
you know, market analysis, sales interest

1899
01:34:30,734 --> 01:34:31,767
and a lot of other factors.

1900
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:33,767
But the plan is to continue

1901
01:34:33,767 --> 01:34:37,033
to keep moving our way up the draw as it kind of wraps

1902
01:34:37,033 --> 01:34:39,500
around the corner and gets back into the kind

1903
01:34:39,500 --> 01:34:42,066
of the upper left on the screen there, the units kind

1904
01:34:42,066 --> 01:34:43,767
of vary and get a little bit bigger there.

1905
01:34:43,834 --> 01:34:48,066
So we start now there, they're all basically triplexes

1906
01:34:48,066 --> 01:34:50,000
of townhouses and we think that's one

1907
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:51,634
of the huge benefits to this project.

1908
01:34:51,834 --> 01:34:54,133
You know, there's a lot of community housing going up in

1909
01:34:54,133 --> 01:34:57,300
Eagle County and a lot of it is apartments, condominiums,

1910
01:34:57,900 --> 01:35:01,000
things that don't give people kind of the feel

1911
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:02,133
of a single family home.

1912
01:35:02,667 --> 01:35:05,000
With the townhouse and the way that we've kind

1913
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:09,033
of subdivided it, each unit will be owned

1914
01:35:09,333 --> 01:35:10,700
as well as the ground around it.

1915
01:35:10,700 --> 01:35:12,533
So people will have an enclosed garage,

1916
01:35:12,533 --> 01:35:15,033
they'll have a driveway in front of their house

1917
01:35:15,033 --> 01:35:17,133
with a parking spot that they own and control.

1918
01:35:17,433 --> 01:35:19,700
They'll have a backyard, most of them do except

1919
01:35:19,700 --> 01:35:21,700
for the first building has some floodplain issues

1920
01:35:21,700 --> 01:35:23,066
where we didn't have room,

1921
01:35:23,066 --> 01:35:24,767
but the rest of them all have a backyard.

1922
01:35:24,900 --> 01:35:27,567
So we're trying to provide a product

1923
01:35:27,734 --> 01:35:30,000
that isn't just a house, that's something

1924
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:31,834
that people can live in, can get outside.

1925
01:35:32,834 --> 01:35:35,367
Matt, if you wouldn't mind flipping to the elevation.

1926
01:35:36,834 --> 01:35:39,467
So this is kind of the look along Metcalf Road

1927
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:42,734
and you can see we've also incorporated a lot of balconies

1928
01:35:42,934 --> 01:35:45,066
and outdoor spaces for the residents.

1929
01:35:45,066 --> 01:35:48,333
We're trying to make something that feels like a,

1930
01:35:48,500 --> 01:35:50,333
a good high quality single family house.

1931
01:35:50,433 --> 01:35:52,834
We don't want people to feel like they're in an apartment.

1932
01:35:52,934 --> 01:35:55,033
You don't have someone above you, someone below you.

1933
01:35:55,333 --> 01:35:57,700
You kind of control your space.

1934
01:35:58,367 --> 01:36:00,734
And we've had opportunities along the way

1935
01:36:00,734 --> 01:36:02,033
with minor variations

1936
01:36:02,100 --> 01:36:06,066
where there's efficiencies in keeping similarities

1937
01:36:06,100 --> 01:36:07,867
as the buildings replicate across the site.

1938
01:36:07,867 --> 01:36:09,767
But we've also made some minor adjustments

1939
01:36:10,133 --> 01:36:11,133
to maximize views.

1940
01:36:11,333 --> 01:36:15,266
Several of the units get views back towards Batch Gulch

1941
01:36:15,266 --> 01:36:16,567
and the ski mountains that way.

1942
01:36:16,634 --> 01:36:17,867
And we've optimized windows

1943
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:20,300
and just flipped rooms around slightly

1944
01:36:20,467 --> 01:36:21,934
to just to kind of accommodate that.

1945
01:36:21,934 --> 01:36:25,567
So we're trying to provide customization to maximize

1946
01:36:26,100 --> 01:36:28,266
and give the best unit we can to the end user.

1947
01:36:28,834 --> 01:36:32,834
So we feel like from a a product standpoint, this is unique

1948
01:36:32,900 --> 01:36:35,233
to a lot of what's being built in Eagle County right now

1949
01:36:35,233 --> 01:36:37,333
because we're really trying to cater to the end user

1950
01:36:37,734 --> 01:36:40,133
and trying to make the best product we can within

1951
01:36:41,100 --> 01:36:42,867
the confines of delivering something

1952
01:36:42,867 --> 01:36:44,000
as affordable as possible.

1953
01:36:44,367 --> 01:36:46,233
So kind of a unique aspect of that.

1954
01:36:46,500 --> 01:36:49,033
And to in mind, just going back to the one

1955
01:36:49,033 --> 01:36:52,133
before, previously, real quick size-wise,

1956
01:36:52,266 --> 01:36:55,000
the units along the street are the smaller ones.

1957
01:36:55,000 --> 01:36:57,100
They start at 1500 square feet.

1958
01:36:57,100 --> 01:36:58,533
So you can see there's one little building

1959
01:36:58,634 --> 01:36:59,867
to the far left up there.

1960
01:36:59,867 --> 01:37:02,767
That'll be the very last part that gets built.

1961
01:37:02,767 --> 01:37:04,000
That's kind of the staging area.

1962
01:37:04,533 --> 01:37:07,634
Those are smaller, those are 1200 square feet.

1963
01:37:07,867 --> 01:37:10,000
But as we get up the draw, the units kind

1964
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:11,066
of get a little bit bigger.

1965
01:37:11,133 --> 01:37:15,233
So we range from 1200 to 22, 2400.

1966
01:37:15,333 --> 01:37:18,367
So we're, again, we're trying to target varying sizes

1967
01:37:18,367 --> 01:37:22,133
of family, trying to provide different niches

1968
01:37:22,133 --> 01:37:23,367
to hit different people.

1969
01:37:23,500 --> 01:37:26,066
So we're trying to hit as many markets as we can

1970
01:37:26,734 --> 01:37:29,500
and trying to solve as, as much as we can

1971
01:37:29,500 --> 01:37:31,100
with offering some different options

1972
01:37:31,133 --> 01:37:32,767
and different possibilities for people.

1973
01:37:33,266 --> 01:37:35,634
So we feel like that's one of the strengths of the projects.

1974
01:37:35,667 --> 01:37:37,834
It's not just cookie cutter

1975
01:37:37,834 --> 01:37:39,066
replicating the same thing everywhere.

1976
01:37:39,066 --> 01:37:42,300
We're doing some modifications to maximize, we're trying

1977
01:37:42,300 --> 01:37:43,567
to provide different sizes.

1978
01:37:43,567 --> 01:37:47,533
And I think the town home option, you know, as a,

1979
01:37:47,867 --> 01:37:49,700
I've been here for almost 30 years now,

1980
01:37:49,734 --> 01:37:53,100
and to have a place you can let your dog out

1981
01:37:53,233 --> 01:37:56,233
and, you know, take him out back we think is, is huge.

1982
01:37:56,367 --> 01:37:58,900
I mean, we're a very dog friendly community kids.

1983
01:37:59,133 --> 01:38:02,133
I mean it's, it's just we felt like it was the best option.

1984
01:38:02,133 --> 01:38:03,266
It was not the cheapest option,

1985
01:38:03,266 --> 01:38:04,900
but we felt like it was the best option

1986
01:38:04,900 --> 01:38:08,100
and the best way to provide a good quality product for,

1987
01:38:08,634 --> 01:38:12,367
for Avon and for the community as a whole. So thank you.

1988
01:38:13,066 --> 01:38:16,500
- Thanks Bobby. Okay,

1989
01:38:17,934 --> 01:38:20,467
anything else from, oh good Steve, thanks.

1990
01:38:20,934 --> 01:38:23,667
- I'll step up, I'll step up for a minute.

1991
01:38:23,667 --> 01:38:26,066
Steve McDonald think of the council

1992
01:38:26,867 --> 01:38:31,000
and the, we're excited about the project.

1993
01:38:31,133 --> 01:38:35,033
It's a, what we think very unique as Bobby has said.

1994
01:38:35,533 --> 01:38:37,367
And that there's, there's a lot

1995
01:38:37,367 --> 01:38:40,634
of stuff being built right now that is rental property

1996
01:38:41,066 --> 01:38:43,066
and even with Timber Ridge

1997
01:38:43,467 --> 01:38:45,900
where 10 Avail is building a for sale product.

1998
01:38:46,266 --> 01:38:48,533
It's a high rise product, it's not a home.

1999
01:38:49,133 --> 01:38:50,900
So we feel this is very unique

2000
01:38:51,433 --> 01:38:55,467
and the Town of Avon has been active with rental projects

2001
01:38:55,533 --> 01:38:58,467
as well from Piedmont to, what is it?

2002
01:38:58,500 --> 01:38:59,533
Bosque and lot B.

2003
01:39:00,133 --> 01:39:04,033
And so we're excited that hopefully you are too, to partner

2004
01:39:04,066 --> 01:39:07,934
with us to have some real for sale homes

2005
01:39:08,300 --> 01:39:10,533
that we can offer to our local friends.

2006
01:39:10,634 --> 01:39:13,033
When I talked to a lot of the business owners

2007
01:39:13,033 --> 01:39:16,100
and such, they said, what is really missing?

2008
01:39:16,767 --> 01:39:19,634
It's, it's the management type product

2009
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:21,867
where somebody can own the home,

2010
01:39:22,033 --> 01:39:25,000
feel like they're gonna stay here, raise kids and,

2011
01:39:25,367 --> 01:39:28,667
and they wanna stay in the valley as, as opposed

2012
01:39:29,233 --> 01:39:32,000
just their money going away for, for rents.

2013
01:39:32,367 --> 01:39:36,467
So the, so our pricing,

2014
01:39:37,500 --> 01:39:42,166
we're starting at 9 95 and it's a three bedroom, three

2015
01:39:42,166 --> 01:39:46,500
and a half bath with a crawl space, one car attached garage.

2016
01:39:46,533 --> 01:39:50,133
And the spot behind that are 1500 square feet.

2017
01:39:50,133 --> 01:39:53,734
Foot units on a price per square foot are almost identical.

2018
01:39:54,066 --> 01:39:55,367
The price per square foot of

2019
01:39:55,367 --> 01:39:57,300
what the town has in Timber Rich.

2020
01:39:58,066 --> 01:40:01,767
And the only advantage that I think they have is their Vail.

2021
01:40:01,767 --> 01:40:03,500
So somebody works in Vail, that's an advantage.

2022
01:40:03,500 --> 01:40:07,000
Otherwise I think somebody would much prefer a home.

2023
01:40:07,734 --> 01:40:09,367
And so for all the employees

2024
01:40:09,367 --> 01:40:13,233
and Avon in particular, then I think we have a,

2025
01:40:13,300 --> 01:40:15,266
a great option for what is there.

2026
01:40:16,033 --> 01:40:18,667
The, so the

2027
01:40:20,133 --> 01:40:22,000
au own the business owners, they, they're really,

2028
01:40:22,467 --> 01:40:25,266
they're like Steve, this is the product that is missing

2029
01:40:25,900 --> 01:40:27,634
for our management people.

2030
01:40:28,033 --> 01:40:31,467
And so they have obviously been encouraging us

2031
01:40:31,500 --> 01:40:33,667
to move forward with the product that we're doing.

2032
01:40:34,133 --> 01:40:38,467
The, originally we asked for six units

2033
01:40:39,133 --> 01:40:41,233
in help for the first six units

2034
01:40:41,333 --> 01:40:45,000
and 17 for continuing with that.

2035
01:40:45,066 --> 01:40:48,100
And just to make it clear, the final seven 11

2036
01:40:48,100 --> 01:40:50,867
after that, if it didn't fit into your budget, you had right

2037
01:40:50,867 --> 01:40:53,100
to say doesn't work this year, we can't do it.

2038
01:40:54,367 --> 01:40:58,567
But we understand that the, we were would like

2039
01:40:58,567 --> 01:41:00,567
to see nine and 27.

2040
01:41:01,233 --> 01:41:04,333
And Eric's telling me, Steve, don't ask for nine

2041
01:41:04,333 --> 01:41:05,367
and 27 today.

2042
01:41:05,934 --> 01:41:09,767
So you know the, we can probably live

2043
01:41:09,767 --> 01:41:11,533
with the six today for this year.

2044
01:41:12,100 --> 01:41:13,300
We would ask you to try

2045
01:41:13,300 --> 01:41:17,767
and put in, in the budget for next year, you know,

2046
01:41:17,834 --> 01:41:18,834
nine for next year.

2047
01:41:18,900 --> 01:41:22,066
So we can have those available for our

2048
01:41:22,734 --> 01:41:23,934
sales in the next year.

2049
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:27,500
Or looks like from your financial picture, if we did six

2050
01:41:27,500 --> 01:41:30,066
for this year, hopefully you can find it in your budget

2051
01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:32,300
for next year to put in for for nine.

2052
01:41:34,333 --> 01:41:39,000
The, so I also wanna point out that when we first did this,

2053
01:41:39,734 --> 01:41:43,500
the, we were, the thought was 17 units

2054
01:41:43,634 --> 01:41:47,266
for help from Avon and, and you were gonna, and the staff

2055
01:41:47,266 --> 01:41:49,333
and others reach out to Vail

2056
01:41:49,834 --> 01:41:52,634
and to Eagle County for equal help.

2057
01:41:53,066 --> 01:41:54,934
And that would really cover the 53 units

2058
01:41:55,634 --> 01:41:58,133
and we can see what the ton of Vail has done.

2059
01:41:58,767 --> 01:42:01,767
Chances are they're not gonna have a lot of extra dollars

2060
01:42:01,900 --> 01:42:04,700
to help in funding for locals in our project.

2061
01:42:04,867 --> 01:42:09,367
We're hopeful that as we get into closer to the end

2062
01:42:09,367 --> 01:42:13,066
of the year, Eric and the staff can reach out to the county

2063
01:42:13,133 --> 01:42:14,000
and say, all right,

2064
01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:15,934
let's get it in your budget for next year.

2065
01:42:16,233 --> 01:42:19,033
Get some funds from them to help with our project as well

2066
01:42:19,100 --> 01:42:21,567
to help with locals and the funding for that.

2067
01:42:21,734 --> 01:42:25,000
So we want to keep that in a forefront that

2068
01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:28,533
we're asking other government entities in the valley

2069
01:42:28,634 --> 01:42:31,567
for help I think is really a, a positive things for us

2070
01:42:31,667 --> 01:42:33,567
to try to do.

2071
01:42:34,100 --> 01:42:37,734
So the, I do wanna point out just to say

2072
01:42:37,734 --> 01:42:40,033
that if things aren't selling the way they will want

2073
01:42:40,133 --> 01:42:43,100
or we need more help, we will will have little toys

2074
01:42:43,133 --> 01:42:44,533
but to rent the miles ourselves,

2075
01:42:45,367 --> 01:42:47,467
we can't let them just sit there when they're finished.

2076
01:42:47,634 --> 01:42:49,834
But our goal is not to do that.

2077
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:51,567
Our, our goal is to have them sell

2078
01:42:51,934 --> 01:42:53,734
to local friends and things like that.

2079
01:42:54,100 --> 01:42:55,567
And so that's why we're asking

2080
01:42:56,133 --> 01:42:57,533
for your help in that tonight.

2081
01:42:57,867 --> 01:43:00,533
So thank you Steve.

2082
01:43:01,133 --> 01:43:03,367
- Could I just add a last, last couple comments?

2083
01:43:04,233 --> 01:43:06,000
So I think this is a great project

2084
01:43:06,166 --> 01:43:08,634
and just like they said, the town home

2085
01:43:08,667 --> 01:43:11,033
and duplexes where the garage is very unique,

2086
01:43:12,066 --> 01:43:13,767
it's taken a little longer and we all know

2087
01:43:13,767 --> 01:43:16,100
that construction does often does take a little longer.

2088
01:43:17,033 --> 01:43:19,867
When they came to us, we looked at rezoning

2089
01:43:19,867 --> 01:43:21,000
to make this possible.

2090
01:43:21,100 --> 01:43:22,467
And I think this is a great example

2091
01:43:22,500 --> 01:43:24,066
of public-private partnerships.

2092
01:43:25,000 --> 01:43:27,934
Part of why I'm really attuned to that is

2093
01:43:27,934 --> 01:43:30,033
for the last six months we've been doing these regional

2094
01:43:30,033 --> 01:43:32,133
housing solutions and the comments

2095
01:43:32,133 --> 01:43:34,467
that have come up is we need more

2096
01:43:35,333 --> 01:43:38,734
middle income ownership opportunities, as they said

2097
01:43:39,500 --> 01:43:42,233
need different product, not everything, apartments

2098
01:43:42,233 --> 01:43:43,734
and condos and

2099
01:43:43,767 --> 01:43:45,000
that we really should be pursuing

2100
01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:46,333
public-private partnerships.

2101
01:43:46,900 --> 01:43:49,233
And so I think in that way that ticks a lot of 'em.

2102
01:43:49,567 --> 01:43:53,066
I did give them updates on, we've been pretty active

2103
01:43:53,100 --> 01:43:54,767
with a whole lot of housing opportunities

2104
01:43:55,433 --> 01:43:58,000
and so when we get into the budget this fall, you'll see

2105
01:43:58,867 --> 01:44:01,100
clearly more opportunities than we have dollars

2106
01:44:01,433 --> 01:44:03,033
and then we're just gonna have to work through

2107
01:44:03,734 --> 01:44:07,700
what makes the most sense for us in in 2027 and 2028.

2108
01:44:09,634 --> 01:44:13,066
- Okay. Council questions for Steve or Bobby

2109
01:44:13,367 --> 01:44:15,000
or Matt or Eric?

2110
01:44:16,867 --> 01:44:17,934
- I have some, yes Gary.

2111
01:44:18,367 --> 01:44:21,033
So I wasn't around when this was first

2112
01:44:22,934 --> 01:44:27,266
brought into council so I, if I could get kind of a recap

2113
01:44:28,433 --> 01:44:31,033
of the gist of this project

2114
01:44:31,500 --> 01:44:35,266
and I think my main questions really boil down to

2115
01:44:37,567 --> 01:44:39,266
or or doing tax

2116
01:44:39,266 --> 01:44:42,100
and fee waivers for this project to the tune

2117
01:44:42,100 --> 01:44:44,000
of 30,000 a unit or something like that.

2118
01:44:44,900 --> 01:44:46,266
And then the request is

2119
01:44:46,266 --> 01:44:48,734
for an additional a hundred thousand per unit

2120
01:44:49,066 --> 01:44:50,233
for the first six units.

2121
01:44:50,333 --> 01:44:51,767
That's what's before us today.

2122
01:44:52,367 --> 01:44:57,066
And so that a hundred thousand per unit that goes

2123
01:44:57,066 --> 01:45:00,066
to buy it down from 9 95 to 8 95,

2124
01:45:01,033 --> 01:45:03,300
- You know, essentially it's buyer assistance so it goes,

2125
01:45:03,467 --> 01:45:04,867
it's down payment assistance.

2126
01:45:04,867 --> 01:45:08,033
So it allows the buyer to be able to afford

2127
01:45:08,033 --> 01:45:11,467
to finance it without having to put a full 20% down.

2128
01:45:12,133 --> 01:45:14,133
- And so why wouldn't we just put that money,

2129
01:45:14,333 --> 01:45:19,000
the 600,000 into the Good Deeds Avon program

2130
01:45:19,100 --> 01:45:22,266
or Meet CASA and just have buyers approach us

2131
01:45:22,266 --> 01:45:25,100
through the good deeds and meet CASA program

2132
01:45:25,467 --> 01:45:26,467
- Directly.

2133
01:45:26,467 --> 01:45:28,233
So I, when we get the budget for next year, I want

2134
01:45:28,233 --> 01:45:29,533
to talk about all those programs

2135
01:45:29,533 --> 01:45:31,300
that I think there's a way to do one bucket.

2136
01:45:31,634 --> 01:45:33,033
Okay. Approaching it.

2137
01:45:33,533 --> 01:45:36,266
It is, you know, it started out originally being

2138
01:45:37,233 --> 01:45:40,467
that we were gonna call it Masa untreated the same at this

2139
01:45:40,467 --> 01:45:45,133
point we're, it's like mini M Casa where we're sticking

2140
01:45:45,133 --> 01:45:49,433
to the a hundred thousand that's not 12% of a million.

2141
01:45:50,066 --> 01:45:53,033
So it's a little less than what Ma Ma Casa would offer

2142
01:45:53,166 --> 01:45:57,734
but that was the development agreement terms that we had

2143
01:45:58,300 --> 01:46:02,634
And I think from their perspective that is very meaningful

2144
01:46:02,634 --> 01:46:04,166
for buyers and I would agree with that

2145
01:46:04,433 --> 01:46:07,033
'cause we see a lot of both good deeds

2146
01:46:07,133 --> 01:46:08,433
and Masa Avon that

2147
01:46:08,433 --> 01:46:11,367
that down payment assistance goes a long ways

2148
01:46:11,433 --> 01:46:15,934
to helping people be able to reach that, you know, ability

2149
01:46:16,000 --> 01:46:17,533
to get financing to buy these units.

2150
01:46:18,133 --> 01:46:22,266
So it's really not buying it down from 9 95

2151
01:46:22,333 --> 01:46:24,533
to 8 95 and that's the sales price.

2152
01:46:24,634 --> 01:46:27,667
It's helping a buyer with down payment assistance which just

2153
01:46:27,667 --> 01:46:29,033
helps out with that whole transaction.

2154
01:46:29,867 --> 01:46:31,533
- Okay. And so they could still go

2155
01:46:31,834 --> 01:46:33,934
and apply for Eagle County good deeds

2156
01:46:33,934 --> 01:46:36,734
and stack up some down payment assistance.

2157
01:46:38,100 --> 01:46:39,700
- We're trying to clarify that

2158
01:46:40,033 --> 01:46:42,266
because it's already deed restricted.

2159
01:46:42,533 --> 01:46:44,667
I think county right now is not looking at it

2160
01:46:44,767 --> 01:46:46,867
as eligible for good deeds.

2161
01:46:47,734 --> 01:46:49,033
I have asked if they would be interested

2162
01:46:49,500 --> 01:46:51,734
and from tonight I'm gonna go and re-ask.

2163
01:46:51,867 --> 01:46:54,233
I actually think it's an excellent opportunity

2164
01:46:54,233 --> 01:46:59,133
for good deeds because that would do the buy down from 9 95

2165
01:46:59,266 --> 01:47:01,066
to approximately 6 95.

2166
01:47:01,033 --> 01:47:02,467
Yeah. But then it would come

2167
01:47:02,467 --> 01:47:03,767
with a different deed restriction

2168
01:47:03,767 --> 01:47:05,333
that has a price cap on that. Right.

2169
01:47:05,567 --> 01:47:08,000
- And this the deed restriction we get

2170
01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:09,300
for the a hundred thousands in ro.

2171
01:47:09,300 --> 01:47:12,367
It's a me concept type correct deed restriction.

2172
01:47:12,567 --> 01:47:17,066
- Correct. Okay. - I think that's generally my question.

2173
01:47:17,166 --> 01:47:18,300
Sean you have something to add?

2174
01:47:18,567 --> 01:47:19,867
- Yeah, I was going to, thanks Tam.

2175
01:47:20,266 --> 01:47:21,734
Sean Reynolds is one of the developers

2176
01:47:21,734 --> 01:47:23,934
and Gary, I think it was good where you kind of said,

2177
01:47:24,066 --> 01:47:26,767
'cause I didn't even realize once you put up the timeline

2178
01:47:26,767 --> 01:47:29,033
Matt, how long ago we started with this whole thing

2179
01:47:29,033 --> 01:47:30,634
and obviously there was different council members

2180
01:47:30,667 --> 01:47:34,934
and whatnot, but started with, we put land under contract,

2181
01:47:35,233 --> 01:47:37,266
it was supposed to be storage units,

2182
01:47:37,333 --> 01:47:38,700
you know, whatever, some commercials.

2183
01:47:38,700 --> 01:47:41,000
So we came with the idea, wanted to do housing there, wanted

2184
01:47:41,000 --> 01:47:42,734
to try to, and it's obviously a long

2185
01:47:42,734 --> 01:47:43,867
process all the way through.

2186
01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:46,066
One of the things that town said right off the bat was we

2187
01:47:46,066 --> 01:47:48,367
love this idea, we want to, you know, help you guys.

2188
01:47:48,734 --> 01:47:52,000
And at first trying to find a way to partner together on it.

2189
01:47:52,100 --> 01:47:54,500
I think it was best for us to kind of stay in our lanes,

2190
01:47:54,500 --> 01:47:56,533
let us build, we asked the town one

2191
01:47:56,734 --> 01:47:58,000
with the community housing,

2192
01:47:58,734 --> 01:48:00,767
you know the exemptions on the taxes

2193
01:48:01,000 --> 01:48:02,834
and stuff is, is kind of built into that.

2194
01:48:02,867 --> 01:48:04,467
But we were very appreciative that you guys,

2195
01:48:04,834 --> 01:48:06,100
you know, extended those to this project.

2196
01:48:06,266 --> 01:48:08,133
And the other thing we really asked, you know,

2197
01:48:08,133 --> 01:48:12,000
with council was help the end buyers purchase the units.

2198
01:48:12,133 --> 01:48:14,533
That's what we can exactly help with

2199
01:48:14,834 --> 01:48:16,700
and the town has great ability to help with that.

2200
01:48:17,100 --> 01:48:19,834
Now in that, you know, this whole five year transition

2201
01:48:19,834 --> 01:48:23,467
and whatnot of this land, a lot has changed.

2202
01:48:23,533 --> 01:48:25,634
These are, and you know, we don't need

2203
01:48:25,634 --> 01:48:26,767
to get into the weeds too much about it,

2204
01:48:26,767 --> 01:48:27,834
but they're electric product.

2205
01:48:27,834 --> 01:48:29,133
There's no gas run to 'em.

2206
01:48:29,133 --> 01:48:31,533
That's one of the things that council had asked at the time

2207
01:48:32,000 --> 01:48:34,066
as well as the planning and zoning.

2208
01:48:34,667 --> 01:48:36,333
So this is the first product we've done like

2209
01:48:36,333 --> 01:48:39,333
that when we started it said okay to that

2210
01:48:39,333 --> 01:48:41,000
and stuff, different administration,

2211
01:48:41,000 --> 01:48:42,467
different rebates, different everything.

2212
01:48:42,467 --> 01:48:44,367
That whole landscape's changed a bunch.

2213
01:48:44,367 --> 01:48:46,734
So a lot of different things have changed as well

2214
01:48:46,734 --> 01:48:48,767
as the climate for buyers right now.

2215
01:48:48,934 --> 01:48:50,100
The rates for people

2216
01:48:50,333 --> 01:48:52,934
who are buying these units when it goes up a quarter point

2217
01:48:52,934 --> 01:48:54,066
or something, it makes a huge difference.

2218
01:48:54,367 --> 01:48:59,000
So a lot has changed hopefully as this project, you know,

2219
01:48:59,000 --> 01:49:00,734
keeps going, the climate changes

2220
01:49:00,934 --> 01:49:04,000
and people don't need as much assistance, great.

2221
01:49:04,233 --> 01:49:07,066
You know, but at this point it is really, I think,

2222
01:49:07,266 --> 01:49:09,300
I mean we were talking about thinking we'd have long wait

2223
01:49:09,300 --> 01:49:10,734
lists and everything else from getting going

2224
01:49:10,867 --> 01:49:12,367
as we started bringing these on the market

2225
01:49:12,367 --> 01:49:13,834
and stuff, it's hard for people

2226
01:49:13,834 --> 01:49:15,100
to make everything work right now

2227
01:49:15,033 --> 01:49:18,033
and that assistance from the town makes it is

2228
01:49:19,000 --> 01:49:20,300
even bigger part of it I think.

2229
01:49:20,300 --> 01:49:22,867
And that's why we want to just make sure that, you know,

2230
01:49:22,867 --> 01:49:24,300
obviously for these first six units,

2231
01:49:24,367 --> 01:49:26,700
but as Steve mentioned down the road, we wanna make sure

2232
01:49:26,700 --> 01:49:29,500
that you guys are thinking, you know, now

2233
01:49:29,500 --> 01:49:31,000
that we're delivering units and stuff,

2234
01:49:31,133 --> 01:49:32,867
that we are in the council's mind.

2235
01:49:32,900 --> 01:49:34,033
And I love the fact

2236
01:49:34,033 --> 01:49:36,266
that Eric was saying there's gonna be some other options.

2237
01:49:36,467 --> 01:49:38,233
I think there's some people who are gonna need other,

2238
01:49:38,567 --> 01:49:39,734
you know, assistance options.

2239
01:49:39,834 --> 01:49:42,066
We want. Great. I'd love to have the county help in any way.

2240
01:49:42,166 --> 01:49:45,066
So just try to go back and bring it back forward.

2241
01:49:45,567 --> 01:49:47,734
- Yeah, I think that sounds great.

2242
01:49:48,100 --> 01:49:50,000
I mean, you know, I fully support the project

2243
01:49:50,266 --> 01:49:52,634
and so I'm just curious about

2244
01:49:53,467 --> 01:49:56,033
what's the thought moving forward with the balance

2245
01:49:56,100 --> 01:49:57,266
of the units beyond.

2246
01:49:57,333 --> 01:50:00,066
So say we make a commitment this evening to the first six

2247
01:50:00,634 --> 01:50:02,033
and then, so was the idea for this

2248
01:50:02,033 --> 01:50:05,634
to all be all deed restricted community housing or

2249
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:07,367
- It's it's required by zoning

2250
01:50:07,634 --> 01:50:10,066
and by the development agreement every unit's gonna be deed

2251
01:50:10,100 --> 01:50:11,300
restricted because we did tax.

2252
01:50:12,433 --> 01:50:14,266
Right. But it's by zoning

2253
01:50:14,433 --> 01:50:16,533
and by, we already have a development agreement.

2254
01:50:17,133 --> 01:50:18,266
It's already committed whether

2255
01:50:18,266 --> 01:50:19,700
or not the town provides funding,

2256
01:50:19,767 --> 01:50:22,066
it's every unit is gonna be deed restricted.

2257
01:50:22,166 --> 01:50:25,100
- And so we could just fund good deeds

2258
01:50:25,100 --> 01:50:29,300
or meas in the future which buyers could apply for

2259
01:50:29,567 --> 01:50:30,700
and apply to these units.

2260
01:50:31,100 --> 01:50:34,033
- So what I wanted would like to do is have a conversation

2261
01:50:34,033 --> 01:50:35,467
with council more globally.

2262
01:50:36,333 --> 01:50:39,133
You're likely to see the updates,

2263
01:50:39,333 --> 01:50:40,767
the Avon community housing plan

2264
01:50:40,867 --> 01:50:42,233
and then we're gonna get into CIP

2265
01:50:42,500 --> 01:50:44,834
and then we're gonna get into our community housing fund

2266
01:50:45,166 --> 01:50:46,567
and we'll present some ideas.

2267
01:50:46,867 --> 01:50:49,367
But yes, I think there's,

2268
01:50:49,634 --> 01:50:51,033
I think we could probably put these

2269
01:50:52,867 --> 01:50:56,066
down payment assistance funds into one bucket

2270
01:50:56,133 --> 01:50:58,133
of first come first serve, whether it's good deeds

2271
01:50:58,133 --> 01:51:00,266
or Ma Casa or Hidden Valley Estates.

2272
01:51:01,000 --> 01:51:03,634
And that's probably the gist of the proposal.

2273
01:51:03,834 --> 01:51:06,500
I'd wanna bring in September to council.

2274
01:51:07,033 --> 01:51:08,934
- Okay. Alright, thanks. Just

2275
01:51:08,934 --> 01:51:10,133
- One thing to note on that too, Gary,

2276
01:51:10,133 --> 01:51:12,700
is I just think in our minds it's very important

2277
01:51:12,700 --> 01:51:14,133
that some people don't want

2278
01:51:14,133 --> 01:51:16,033
to have a price cap associated with their units.

2279
01:51:16,100 --> 01:51:19,000
And that's one of the reasons that this is, you know,

2280
01:51:19,000 --> 01:51:20,000
attractive to them.

2281
01:51:20,333 --> 01:51:24,867
So I think our, the unit that's under contract, who the

2282
01:51:25,667 --> 01:51:27,000
buyer is here, that's one

2283
01:51:27,000 --> 01:51:29,100
of the things he currently was in Miller Ranch wants

2284
01:51:29,133 --> 01:51:30,100
to move out of that.

2285
01:51:30,233 --> 01:51:33,033
So I think it's great to have the option for people

2286
01:51:33,100 --> 01:51:34,767
but not to just pigeonhole that

2287
01:51:34,767 --> 01:51:36,133
that's the only move from deemed

2288
01:51:36,533 --> 01:51:39,033
- Restricted to our - Yep. Alright.

2289
01:51:39,567 --> 01:51:41,734
- Move from deed restricted to ro. Yeah.

2290
01:51:41,834 --> 01:51:44,066
Yeah that's up, that's, that's a good move.

2291
01:51:44,066 --> 01:51:46,367
That was what the program was intended to do, right?

2292
01:51:46,533 --> 01:51:47,834
Deed restrictions in general.

2293
01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:52,333
- Right. So - Gary, can you cl clarify for me when you say

2294
01:51:53,000 --> 01:51:56,700
deed restricted versus ro meaning resident occupied

2295
01:51:57,734 --> 01:51:59,567
what What price cap. Right Price. Cap

2296
01:52:00,133 --> 01:52:01,133
- Price.

2297
01:52:01,133 --> 01:52:02,000
Cap price. 'cause they all have deed

2298
01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:03,467
restriction resident occupied.

2299
01:52:03,634 --> 01:52:06,500
So resident occupied is not a deed cap price cap

2300
01:52:06,500 --> 01:52:07,867
price cap deed restriction.

2301
01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:11,767
Right. As opposed to, so so mikasa is a,

2302
01:52:12,033 --> 01:52:13,634
RO is a resident

2303
01:52:14,100 --> 01:52:16,233
- Occupied but not price caps - Good deeds.

2304
01:52:16,500 --> 01:52:18,033
Avon is price cap deed restriction

2305
01:52:18,133 --> 01:52:20,567
- And price capped is also resident occupied.

2306
01:52:21,100 --> 01:52:22,000
Right. Okay.

2307
01:52:22,367 --> 01:52:24,100
- Okay. Yeah. So all deed

2308
01:52:24,133 --> 01:52:25,300
restricted. Yeah, just different types.

2309
01:52:25,533 --> 01:52:28,100
- Okay. Okay, more questions Ruthie,

2310
01:52:28,300 --> 01:52:29,500
- I just have a couple of questions.

2311
01:52:30,467 --> 01:52:32,500
Do you have any, do you have buyers waiting?

2312
01:52:32,634 --> 01:52:36,133
Do you have pre construction contracts, reservations

2313
01:52:36,900 --> 01:52:38,300
other than the one that you mentioned?

2314
01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:42,934
- We have, we've had a a list of, have we gone

2315
01:52:42,934 --> 01:52:45,000
through a number of people we're not sure

2316
01:52:45,667 --> 01:52:46,734
who's gonna be able to qualify,

2317
01:52:47,667 --> 01:52:49,367
not qualify and things like that.

2318
01:52:49,500 --> 01:52:52,066
And the first question comes up is there gonna be

2319
01:52:52,066 --> 01:52:53,233
down payment assistance?

2320
01:52:53,834 --> 01:52:56,133
And so we're gonna go back to those people on that list.

2321
01:52:56,567 --> 01:52:57,634
It's not a long list

2322
01:52:58,033 --> 01:52:59,734
and as you know,

2323
01:52:59,767 --> 01:53:01,867
it's in the multi list now we put it out there

2324
01:53:02,266 --> 01:53:05,867
for the real estate community to be involved as well.

2325
01:53:06,166 --> 01:53:09,634
And so we're gonna do everything we can to create buyers to,

2326
01:53:11,133 --> 01:53:12,433
but we have a contract

2327
01:53:13,100 --> 01:53:15,066
and we have the deed restrictions

2328
01:53:15,066 --> 01:53:16,767
that were in place recorded

2329
01:53:17,166 --> 01:53:20,033
and they're being adjusted some with our attorney

2330
01:53:20,266 --> 01:53:21,500
and the town attorney.

2331
01:53:22,066 --> 01:53:25,133
But nonetheless all these documents are already in place.

2332
01:53:28,667 --> 01:53:33,000
- So Eric, I have a question for you. Just to clarify.

2333
01:53:34,567 --> 01:53:39,133
If we repurpose the me hop the 600,000,

2334
01:53:39,166 --> 01:53:42,066
that'll leave us with 6 52 8 43

2335
01:53:44,100 --> 01:53:48,000
after the three pending good deeds? No. Or

2336
01:53:48,100 --> 01:53:49,667
- Before the three pending, pending good

2337
01:53:49,667 --> 01:53:50,767
- Deeds. Okay, that's what

2338
01:53:50,767 --> 01:53:51,767
- I thought.

2339
01:53:51,767 --> 01:53:54,066
Yeah, so if we repurpose the me hop the town

2340
01:53:54,066 --> 01:53:55,767
of Avon's employee housing assistance,

2341
01:53:56,100 --> 01:53:57,300
then we'll have no funds

2342
01:53:57,667 --> 01:53:59,767
for town employee housing assistance.

2343
01:54:00,367 --> 01:54:02,867
But we would be able to do the 600,000.

2344
01:54:03,433 --> 01:54:06,533
That's their request. And then the same time, that's part of

2345
01:54:06,533 --> 01:54:08,133
what we're proposing

2346
01:54:08,133 --> 01:54:13,100
and recommending tonight is that we would reopen Mikasa,

2347
01:54:13,100 --> 01:54:15,000
Avon and good deeds with the remaining funds.

2348
01:54:15,367 --> 01:54:19,867
We have 652, we know there's three pending transactions

2349
01:54:19,867 --> 01:54:21,567
that would use 400,000 of that.

2350
01:54:22,433 --> 01:54:26,066
So what'll happen is the, I suspect the remainder of

2351
01:54:26,066 --> 01:54:28,166
that masa good deeds if we reopen it

2352
01:54:28,500 --> 01:54:30,634
and we'll be able to handle the three transactions

2353
01:54:30,634 --> 01:54:34,033
that are pending and we'll be able to maybe

2354
01:54:35,100 --> 01:54:36,867
support two to three more.

2355
01:54:37,533 --> 01:54:39,033
But at the pace we're doing 'em we'll

2356
01:54:39,033 --> 01:54:40,066
be done by the end of August.

2357
01:54:40,066 --> 01:54:42,166
We'll be, we'll be through that remainder

2358
01:54:42,166 --> 01:54:43,333
of funds by the end of August

2359
01:54:45,100 --> 01:54:47,533
- Track. Thank you.

2360
01:54:48,433 --> 01:54:53,166
- Okay. I have some questions as well, Matt,

2361
01:54:53,533 --> 01:54:57,166
in your memo on page 1 0 9 there was some,

2362
01:54:58,233 --> 01:54:59,500
there was a mention of

2363
01:54:59,500 --> 01:55:02,066
that a development bonus had been applied for,

2364
01:55:03,767 --> 01:55:05,266
- I don't - Remember, there were some slight

2365
01:55:05,567 --> 01:55:07,000
setback modifications.

2366
01:55:08,033 --> 01:55:10,100
As you could tell, the lots are really close to each other.

2367
01:55:10,166 --> 01:55:14,500
And so there were some, some small variations

2368
01:55:14,500 --> 01:55:17,634
to setbacks and that that was the only exception

2369
01:55:18,033 --> 01:55:21,667
unless Jenna could correct me if you see, I think

2370
01:55:21,667 --> 01:55:23,533
that's correct. That's correct.

2371
01:55:24,100 --> 01:55:25,300
- Okay. So why was it done

2372
01:55:25,300 --> 01:55:27,166
as a development bonus rather than a variance?

2373
01:55:28,066 --> 01:55:30,767
- We don't use variances to modify setbacks.

2374
01:55:30,767 --> 01:55:32,634
This came up a little bit later after the fact

2375
01:55:32,634 --> 01:55:34,066
and we didn't have the development bonus

2376
01:55:35,000 --> 01:55:37,266
process in place when we were looking at

2377
01:55:37,266 --> 01:55:38,533
Hidden Valley the first time.

2378
01:55:39,133 --> 01:55:42,900
So I came after and this was the best way to be able

2379
01:55:42,900 --> 01:55:45,300
to mitigate the houses as they came in.

2380
01:55:45,567 --> 01:55:47,533
We had some, a little bit more, less,

2381
01:55:47,567 --> 01:55:50,066
less room when we discovered the flood plane and so forth.

2382
01:55:50,100 --> 01:55:52,533
So it tended to work

2383
01:55:52,533 --> 01:55:55,000
- Out in the, - An easier method.

2384
01:55:55,166 --> 01:55:56,233
- Okay. And that came

2385
01:55:56,233 --> 01:55:57,700
through council, I just don't remember it.

2386
01:55:59,033 --> 01:56:01,166
But because it,

2387
01:56:01,166 --> 01:56:03,166
all development bonuses come through camp. Yeah,

2388
01:56:03,634 --> 01:56:04,667
- It's, they do.

2389
01:56:05,033 --> 01:56:07,066
And it was a, it was a number a couple years ago

2390
01:56:07,367 --> 01:56:08,367
- That we Okay.

2391
01:56:08,367 --> 01:56:10,033
Had modified. Okay. I don't remember it

2392
01:56:10,066 --> 01:56:13,233
but I suppose it, it went through the proper process,

2393
01:56:13,500 --> 01:56:15,066
so, okay.

2394
01:56:15,500 --> 01:56:20,133
Thank you. Jenna. Also in 1 0 9 there's a discussion about

2395
01:56:20,867 --> 01:56:24,433
the single family equivalent SFE water rights

2396
01:56:24,433 --> 01:56:25,667
and the fee in lieu,

2397
01:56:27,100 --> 01:56:29,233
and I don't understand the sentence, Matt,

2398
01:56:29,233 --> 01:56:33,333
in your memo it says the Upal Regional Water Authority was

2399
01:56:33,333 --> 01:56:36,166
not able to provide a cost estimate for a cash in lie

2400
01:56:37,000 --> 01:56:40,867
dedication of 47.7 SF fee is of additional water. Right.

2401
01:56:41,033 --> 01:56:43,934
- I'll, I'll take that one because I wrote that in there.

2402
01:56:45,100 --> 01:56:47,500
Yes. Just like it says, we'd asked a couple times

2403
01:56:47,567 --> 01:56:50,100
and they weren't able to give us a cost estimate.

2404
01:56:51,033 --> 01:56:52,000
Part of the problem is, is

2405
01:56:52,000 --> 01:56:53,433
because they have to do an analysis on

2406
01:56:53,433 --> 01:56:55,266
what the consumptive use is, it's not simply

2407
01:56:56,000 --> 01:56:59,166
what is the cost of whatever the number was.

2408
01:56:59,166 --> 01:57:02,100
47 ses, it's consumptive use

2409
01:57:02,266 --> 01:57:04,000
and that's different in different locations.

2410
01:57:04,066 --> 01:57:07,667
And they just were not able to do an analysis

2411
01:57:07,734 --> 01:57:11,000
and give me a, here's how many acre feet this would use

2412
01:57:11,000 --> 01:57:12,700
and here's what our current pricing,

2413
01:57:12,700 --> 01:57:13,900
what would be charged. Okay.

2414
01:57:14,000 --> 01:57:15,567
- So whatever the case is,

2415
01:57:16,900 --> 01:57:21,734
because the original development agreement said

2416
01:57:21,734 --> 01:57:24,133
that Avon's taking care of the water, right.

2417
01:57:24,634 --> 01:57:26,500
- The original development agreement said

2418
01:57:26,500 --> 01:57:27,900
that the developer would pay

2419
01:57:27,900 --> 01:57:29,433
for the dedication of extra water.

2420
01:57:30,066 --> 01:57:35,000
And so I think there was five sess on the site. 5.6.

2421
01:57:35,133 --> 01:57:37,133
5.6. And so then whatever,

2422
01:57:37,233 --> 01:57:40,634
- When it was storage units and now it's 47 right?

2423
01:57:40,634 --> 01:57:41,700
Point four.

2424
01:57:42,100 --> 01:57:45,066
- But we've, we've as you know that we've gone

2425
01:57:45,066 --> 01:57:47,233
through this inventory lot by lot of

2426
01:57:47,300 --> 01:57:49,066
what our zoning demands are

2427
01:57:49,500 --> 01:57:52,734
and we did that in close coordination

2428
01:57:52,767 --> 01:57:54,000
with the water authority

2429
01:57:54,300 --> 01:57:56,867
and we've got a very elaborate spreadsheet that goes

2430
01:57:56,867 --> 01:57:57,867
through the entire town.

2431
01:57:58,467 --> 01:58:02,834
Through that entire process we identified that we had,

2432
01:58:03,066 --> 01:58:04,734
I don't know, a couple hundred sfe

2433
01:58:04,767 --> 01:58:08,066
that were not assigned a couple hundred sfe left over

2434
01:58:08,367 --> 01:58:10,467
that weren't assigned to serve properties.

2435
01:58:12,100 --> 01:58:14,500
We've, and we've put this to you when you asked about,

2436
01:58:15,100 --> 01:58:18,133
as recently as the summit with an update on water.

2437
01:58:18,233 --> 01:58:21,166
And this was one project that,

2438
01:58:22,700 --> 01:58:25,667
that we felt that was appropriate to assign water to

2439
01:58:25,834 --> 01:58:28,834
and slope side was another one that felt

2440
01:58:28,834 --> 01:58:31,033
- As it's gonna use the, the extra

2441
01:58:31,166 --> 01:58:34,367
that we have in our SFE guarantee, which is changing

2442
01:58:34,467 --> 01:58:35,467
to a consumptive

2443
01:58:36,133 --> 01:58:37,000
- Use. There's

2444
01:58:37,033 --> 01:58:38,934
- Guarantee right at the water.

2445
01:58:39,133 --> 01:58:40,467
Okay. My question is maybe

2446
01:58:40,700 --> 01:58:44,367
- Changing - Why, why is it relevant?

2447
01:58:44,433 --> 01:58:47,567
What, what do, why is there any discussion about a cost

2448
01:58:48,000 --> 01:58:51,467
estimate for cash in lie dedication of 47.4

2449
01:58:51,634 --> 01:58:52,934
- That had been asked for in the past?

2450
01:58:53,000 --> 01:58:56,033
And so that's, I we did try to find that number to know what

2451
01:58:56,033 --> 01:58:58,100
that hypothetically that number was. But,

2452
01:58:58,900 --> 01:59:00,066
- But neither even

2453
01:59:00,634 --> 01:59:03,634
nor the development needs to come to the table

2454
01:59:04,033 --> 01:59:05,767
with cash in lieu for water.

2455
01:59:05,767 --> 01:59:08,100
Correct. 'cause the water's taken care of, of

2456
01:59:08,100 --> 01:59:10,100
- The town's - Because we have excess water, we

2457
01:59:10,100 --> 01:59:11,533
- Have available excess water.

2458
01:59:11,533 --> 01:59:14,300
Okay. Of course. I mean recognize that's a policy decision

2459
01:59:15,100 --> 01:59:19,367
of council if you wanna apply that to community housing.

2460
01:59:19,667 --> 01:59:23,500
But that has been the general conversation for many years

2461
01:59:23,533 --> 01:59:26,000
that if we had extra water in our portfolio,

2462
01:59:26,100 --> 01:59:27,867
that community housing would be the first.

2463
01:59:27,867 --> 01:59:30,634
- Well let's recognize that's a valuable contribution,

2464
01:59:31,166 --> 01:59:35,700
extremely valuable contribution to this project at 47.4 ses.

2465
01:59:37,000 --> 01:59:40,100
Okay. But we don't have the val the dollar value of that.

2466
01:59:40,567 --> 01:59:42,734
- I was not able, - That's the point of that sentence.

2467
01:59:42,900 --> 01:59:47,233
Okay. I understand now. Okay. But okay, I, I see that.

2468
01:59:48,000 --> 01:59:51,133
Okay. One thing I don't want to lose track of

2469
01:59:51,166 --> 01:59:54,033
as we're talking about Hidden Valley Estates,

2470
01:59:54,033 --> 01:59:56,000
and I think we'll hear some public comment from Albert

2471
01:59:56,100 --> 02:00:00,533
and others is about, explain Eric if you will, why

2472
02:00:01,333 --> 02:00:05,734
Mikasa and Goodies Avon was paused while we were considering

2473
02:00:06,133 --> 02:00:07,834
the Hidden Valley State's contribution.

2474
02:00:08,000 --> 02:00:11,634
- So that was my decision and direction as the town manager

2475
02:00:11,734 --> 02:00:14,266
and it was, we got to a point about the end of June,

2476
02:00:14,266 --> 02:00:18,000
beginning of July where we saw the pace of applications

2477
02:00:18,000 --> 02:00:19,767
for Masa event and good deeds.

2478
02:00:20,100 --> 02:00:22,033
And also, again,

2479
02:00:22,033 --> 02:00:24,767
we're gonna get into a much more in depth conversation,

2480
02:00:25,066 --> 02:00:27,100
but we're getting stretched very thin

2481
02:00:27,166 --> 02:00:29,000
with our funds for community housing.

2482
02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:33,033
Part was the commitment to the summit

2483
02:00:33,100 --> 02:00:34,500
with some funds we're advancing.

2484
02:00:34,734 --> 02:00:37,233
Part is, I think we're moving along

2485
02:00:37,233 --> 02:00:40,066
with having the state landlord property under contract,

2486
02:00:40,166 --> 02:00:43,000
which is a pretty big deal.

2487
02:00:44,133 --> 02:00:47,000
Part is because we bought 91 Beaver Creek Place

2488
02:00:47,133 --> 02:00:51,767
and so of available funds we've had, we've been active

2489
02:00:51,867 --> 02:00:54,934
with investing that into other projects and,

2490
02:00:55,634 --> 02:01:00,100
and then we're also proceeding with a, you know,

2491
02:01:00,100 --> 02:01:03,000
architect's contract to get started on Avondale apartments.

2492
02:01:03,266 --> 02:01:05,300
And so all those costs together are really

2493
02:01:06,066 --> 02:01:10,934
utilizing all available funds, seeing what their request was

2494
02:01:11,000 --> 02:01:12,867
and what the available amounts were.

2495
02:01:13,634 --> 02:01:16,767
I made the decision let's pause it for a couple weeks

2496
02:01:16,867 --> 02:01:18,533
until council can see the whole picture

2497
02:01:19,100 --> 02:01:23,233
and decide what's the best way to use the available funds.

2498
02:01:24,900 --> 02:01:26,834
- Okay. Thanks. You more questions

2499
02:01:26,834 --> 02:01:27,900
or should we hear from the public?

2500
02:01:28,000 --> 02:01:30,100
Couple questions? Public couple questions. Yep.

2501
02:01:31,634 --> 02:01:33,467
- I think I might know the answer is to couple these

2502
02:01:35,834 --> 02:01:38,634
ask changed from 600,000 to 900,000.

2503
02:01:38,767 --> 02:01:41,133
Is that simply because there's nine units in those first

2504
02:01:41,133 --> 02:01:44,033
three red buildings, a hundred thousand per unit?

2505
02:01:44,033 --> 02:01:47,066
Is that the thinking or what's why the change from the

2506
02:01:47,066 --> 02:01:48,066
- Original?

2507
02:01:48,066 --> 02:01:49,367
Yeah, correct. Just 'cause at this point we're gonna

2508
02:01:49,367 --> 02:01:51,066
deliver nine units this year

2509
02:01:51,500 --> 02:01:53,066
- And you guys said you're going all electric.

2510
02:01:53,634 --> 02:01:55,233
- Yes. The whole project is all electric.

2511
02:01:55,233 --> 02:01:56,834
There's gas run to it. Is

2512
02:01:57,133 --> 02:01:58,834
- Is that the same thing as net zero?

2513
02:01:59,100 --> 02:02:02,100
'cause the original development agreement contemplated the

2514
02:02:02,100 --> 02:02:04,066
possibility of net zero without,

2515
02:02:04,066 --> 02:02:06,066
- Without digressing it down the rabbit hole

2516
02:02:06,066 --> 02:02:08,634
of climate action philosophical debate

2517
02:02:09,300 --> 02:02:13,767
because our electric provider is nearly all renewable energy

2518
02:02:13,767 --> 02:02:15,367
that if you electric building,

2519
02:02:15,734 --> 02:02:17,300
you could claim that's not zero. Okay.

2520
02:02:17,433 --> 02:02:21,033
- And I'm not sure, maybe I mis under misread Steve

2521
02:02:21,033 --> 02:02:24,100
for just a minute, but what deed restrictions will we we be

2522
02:02:24,100 --> 02:02:25,467
using in this project?

2523
02:02:25,500 --> 02:02:27,500
The ones referenced in the Avon community housing

2524
02:02:27,567 --> 02:02:30,000
plan? Nina, do you

2525
02:02:30,000 --> 02:02:31,000
- Know, I was about say, I don't know if you

2526
02:02:31,000 --> 02:02:31,834
want, I don't wanna say

2527
02:02:33,133 --> 02:02:34,767
- What, sorry, can - You repeat the question?

2528
02:02:35,266 --> 02:02:37,033
- Okay. Which de restrictions are we

2529
02:02:37,033 --> 02:02:38,066
going to be using for this project?

2530
02:02:38,467 --> 02:02:41,934
- So I, I created two different ones

2531
02:02:42,000 --> 02:02:44,333
and I can go into the explanation of that. And we're

2532
02:02:44,767 --> 02:02:47,066
- Just general a high level, which ones are we using?

2533
02:02:47,533 --> 02:02:49,000
- Resident occupied is the

2534
02:02:49,000 --> 02:02:50,333
- Ones referenced the Aons though,

2535
02:02:50,333 --> 02:02:53,300
or some ones from back when this project

2536
02:02:53,467 --> 02:02:54,533
was originally approved

2537
02:02:54,867 --> 02:02:56,233
- We're, we started with a template

2538
02:02:56,233 --> 02:02:58,100
that is from this past year,

2539
02:02:58,700 --> 02:03:00,233
the two templates that are from this past year.

2540
02:03:00,300 --> 02:03:02,567
Okay. And then tweaked them for this project

2541
02:03:02,734 --> 02:03:04,066
and kept the substantive terms.

2542
02:03:04,033 --> 02:03:06,000
But what is important

2543
02:03:06,066 --> 02:03:07,533
to the town is the administrative terms

2544
02:03:07,834 --> 02:03:10,100
and upped, you know, keeping that similar to

2545
02:03:10,100 --> 02:03:12,634
what our current draft was.

2546
02:03:13,100 --> 02:03:15,066
- Okay. So a little tweak as to

2547
02:03:15,066 --> 02:03:17,934
what the standard Avon ones are? Correct.

2548
02:03:18,033 --> 02:03:22,333
- Okay. - The other questions I

2549
02:03:22,333 --> 02:03:23,467
have were asked, so thanks,

2550
02:03:24,033 --> 02:03:25,367
- I would like to go back to Nina.

2551
02:03:25,634 --> 02:03:27,567
So can you explain the difference between the two?

2552
02:03:27,567 --> 02:03:32,000
There's a deed restriction when the buyer's using the a

2553
02:03:32,000 --> 02:03:34,467
hundred thousand dollars of down payment assistance Yes.

2554
02:03:34,467 --> 02:03:37,100
From Avon. And what's the difference between

2555
02:03:37,100 --> 02:03:38,100
that deed restriction

2556
02:03:38,000 --> 02:03:39,133
and in a unit

2557
02:03:39,166 --> 02:03:42,300
where the buyer is just buying the community housing?

2558
02:03:43,133 --> 02:03:44,333
- Yes. The one where, where,

2559
02:03:45,166 --> 02:03:47,000
where the down payment assistance is a

2560
02:03:47,367 --> 02:03:50,467
a little bit more restrictive than the one that is not,

2561
02:03:50,467 --> 02:03:52,934
that is has just the consideration of the fee waivers

2562
02:03:52,934 --> 02:03:55,533
and everything else that was, that was mentioned.

2563
02:03:56,033 --> 02:04:01,000
So I could pull them up to officially answer your question.

2564
02:04:02,233 --> 02:04:04,567
But the employer was in, yeah, the employer was important

2565
02:04:04,634 --> 02:04:09,467
and then also the documentation of the residency.

2566
02:04:10,100 --> 02:04:12,033
But let me, I will get the difference between the two.

2567
02:04:12,033 --> 02:04:13,533
- Maybe I can help elaborate.

2568
02:04:13,734 --> 02:04:15,567
So the one where we're providing the a hundred

2569
02:04:16,033 --> 02:04:18,467
thousand dollars down payment assistance very similar

2570
02:04:18,500 --> 02:04:19,567
to Masa Avon

2571
02:04:20,000 --> 02:04:22,300
and requires the buyer to actually live there

2572
02:04:22,300 --> 02:04:24,834
as their principal residence for a minimum of three years.

2573
02:04:25,133 --> 02:04:27,033
So that one is oriented towards

2574
02:04:27,634 --> 02:04:29,700
a local person buying who's gonna live there

2575
02:04:29,700 --> 02:04:30,834
as their primary residence.

2576
02:04:31,133 --> 02:04:32,467
The other one is much more open

2577
02:04:32,500 --> 02:04:36,066
and can allow us for the property to be bought

2578
02:04:36,100 --> 02:04:39,934
by an employer or, you know, retained by the developer.

2579
02:04:40,900 --> 02:04:43,500
And so is much more flexible on who can own it.

2580
02:04:43,934 --> 02:04:46,500
We're not contributing any down payment assistance to those.

2581
02:04:47,000 --> 02:04:50,734
And then it limits the occupancy to a, you know,

2582
02:04:51,333 --> 02:04:52,533
the definition of an eagle,

2583
02:04:52,900 --> 02:04:55,867
an employee in Eagle County that we have.

2584
02:04:57,100 --> 02:05:00,100
- But but without, without the demand

2585
02:05:00,133 --> 02:05:02,233
that three years at primary residency.

2586
02:05:02,300 --> 02:05:04,100
Correct. It's basically right difference

2587
02:05:04,100 --> 02:05:05,734
between your employer buying it

2588
02:05:05,834 --> 02:05:08,033
and leasing it to you as an employee.

2589
02:05:08,133 --> 02:05:12,066
Correct. Which can be done in a non Avon subsidized.

2590
02:05:13,033 --> 02:05:15,233
- Correct. That we wouldn't provide any down payment as

2591
02:05:15,533 --> 02:05:16,533
- Cents.

2592
02:05:16,533 --> 02:05:18,266
Gotcha. Okay. Okay. Thanks for that de that description.

2593
02:05:18,266 --> 02:05:20,467
And then good deeds would be a completely different

2594
02:05:20,467 --> 02:05:21,700
deed restriction and that's

2595
02:05:22,100 --> 02:05:23,100
- Enters price capital.

2596
02:05:23,166 --> 02:05:25,934
If that, if the county was willing to consider this project

2597
02:05:26,033 --> 02:05:28,133
as eligibility for good deeds funding, then yes,

2598
02:05:28,133 --> 02:05:31,467
that would be a third very different deed restriction

2599
02:05:31,467 --> 02:05:33,767
that would come with that funding. And

2600
02:05:33,767 --> 02:05:34,767
- Because that's price caps.

2601
02:05:34,767 --> 02:05:37,000
- Yeah. And yeah, the price cap, they always do price cap.

2602
02:05:37,000 --> 02:05:38,133
Okay. Good. Okay.

2603
02:05:38,634 --> 02:05:40,100
- One other question that came up,

2604
02:05:41,266 --> 02:05:43,333
Stevie said if you can't sell 'em, you're going to red pen.

2605
02:05:43,567 --> 02:05:47,100
Just, there's no a MI limits on rental. Right.

2606
02:05:47,100 --> 02:05:49,100
It's just if that's owned to be free market,

2607
02:05:49,500 --> 02:05:52,233
whatever you guys can get, which is fine with me.

2608
02:05:52,333 --> 02:05:53,634
I'm just trying to make sure I understand.

2609
02:05:53,867 --> 02:05:56,266
I see some heads bobbing and Sean, you're gonna answer

2610
02:05:56,266 --> 02:05:57,266
- That?

2611
02:05:57,266 --> 02:05:57,533
Yeah, just I figured you want the,

2612
02:05:57,634 --> 02:05:59,033
but yes, that's correct. Just through

2613
02:05:59,033 --> 02:06:00,100
- Market.

2614
02:06:00,100 --> 02:06:01,000
- Okay. It's free market. You would just have to,

2615
02:06:01,000 --> 02:06:03,100
the resident would obviously have to be Eagle County.

2616
02:06:03,166 --> 02:06:06,066
It couldn't be short term, anything like that. Okay. So,

2617
02:06:06,634 --> 02:06:08,233
- So you do have to be a resident of Eagle County

2618
02:06:08,233 --> 02:06:09,367
to be able to rent these?

2619
02:06:09,834 --> 02:06:11,000
- Yes. - Yes.

2620
02:06:11,000 --> 02:06:13,100
That's the, that's the most important part of this. Okay.

2621
02:06:13,467 --> 02:06:14,767
- Yes, - Resident

2622
02:06:14,767 --> 02:06:15,767
- And employee.

2623
02:06:15,767 --> 02:06:18,467
To your point is always if North Side wants to buy a unit

2624
02:06:18,467 --> 02:06:21,066
and put employees in there, it's the one restriction.

2625
02:06:21,066 --> 02:06:23,000
If their chef wants to buy a unit,

2626
02:06:23,333 --> 02:06:25,767
have assistance from the town, then it would be another one.

2627
02:06:25,900 --> 02:06:27,333
So that's kind of how we, I think

2628
02:06:27,333 --> 02:06:28,734
- I'm asking a different question.

2629
02:06:28,734 --> 02:06:31,734
Maybe I didn't answer. Well Steve, I heard him say

2630
02:06:31,767 --> 02:06:34,266
that if you can't sell these units, you would go rent

2631
02:06:34,266 --> 02:06:35,266
- Them.

2632
02:06:35,266 --> 02:06:37,367
Yes. So as the developer, if we don't sell the unit,

2633
02:06:37,700 --> 02:06:40,300
we can't just hold it, we will rent it.

2634
02:06:40,700 --> 02:06:42,533
Absolutely. And that'll have the same, the same restriction

2635
02:06:42,533 --> 02:06:44,467
as if Northside bought it and rent it.

2636
02:06:44,500 --> 02:06:46,000
Okay. After. Alright. Yeah,

2637
02:06:46,000 --> 02:06:47,533
we're restricted to, we rented. It helps

2638
02:06:47,533 --> 02:06:50,000
- Me out - Take, because it's zoned community housing,

2639
02:06:50,100 --> 02:06:51,567
thus it has to be community housing,

2640
02:06:51,567 --> 02:06:52,634
right? Correct. Right, exactly.

2641
02:06:52,667 --> 02:06:54,100
- Put duty all the units. Yes. Right.

2642
02:06:54,133 --> 02:06:56,033
- Okay. Thank - You. Okay, good. Okay, great.

2643
02:06:56,033 --> 02:06:57,066
Let's hear from the public.

2644
02:06:57,467 --> 02:06:59,367
So if who would like to speak

2645
02:06:59,367 --> 02:07:03,634
to us please about the Hidden Valley State's funding request

2646
02:07:04,100 --> 02:07:07,567
and potentially that the UN pausing of good deeds,

2647
02:07:07,767 --> 02:07:09,000
Avon and Mikasa.

2648
02:07:09,000 --> 02:07:10,000
Albert.

2649
02:07:11,867 --> 02:07:14,033
- Albert. I'm gonna do, again nodding in road.

2650
02:07:14,867 --> 02:07:16,367
I think this development is a great idea

2651
02:07:17,000 --> 02:07:19,233
but I am one of those pending contracts waiting

2652
02:07:19,233 --> 02:07:23,000
for the Good Deeds program and I don't have three years

2653
02:07:23,100 --> 02:07:25,233
to two, three years to wait for this development

2654
02:07:25,266 --> 02:07:26,533
to purchase one of those.

2655
02:07:27,100 --> 02:07:29,066
And I can't speak for the other two people

2656
02:07:29,066 --> 02:07:30,300
that are on hold as well.

2657
02:07:30,433 --> 02:07:34,100
But this good deeds program is holding up my closing

2658
02:07:34,467 --> 02:07:35,734
by the end of August

2659
02:07:36,233 --> 02:07:40,934
and if I do not get this money, I don't have anywhere

2660
02:07:40,934 --> 02:07:42,000
to live essentially.

2661
02:07:42,700 --> 02:07:47,233
So it's great. I did have some questions.

2662
02:07:47,834 --> 02:07:49,033
It seems like providing funding

2663
02:07:49,033 --> 02:07:52,000
to just this project would limit funds from being used

2664
02:07:52,000 --> 02:07:54,834
across Avon with the current established uses.

2665
02:07:55,467 --> 02:07:57,066
So why can't we just put the money into the

2666
02:07:57,066 --> 02:07:58,233
programs already established?

2667
02:07:58,367 --> 02:07:59,934
Housing assistance is great,

2668
02:07:59,934 --> 02:08:01,100
but it should be, it should be limited

2669
02:08:01,166 --> 02:08:02,700
to just one development.

2670
02:08:03,900 --> 02:08:06,634
If more funding is needing, if more funding is needed,

2671
02:08:06,867 --> 02:08:09,634
perhaps that's something the council can approach

2672
02:08:09,634 --> 02:08:10,700
during next budget

2673
02:08:10,834 --> 02:08:13,634
and when the development is closer to completion.

2674
02:08:14,734 --> 02:08:16,000
And that's what I have to say.

2675
02:08:16,634 --> 02:08:19,567
- Thank you very much. Is there more public comment please?

2676
02:08:21,066 --> 02:08:24,266
I will mention we received a lot of email in support

2677
02:08:24,433 --> 02:08:28,100
of the funding request by Hidden Valley Estates.

2678
02:08:28,500 --> 02:08:33,066
Is there anybody online? Annika, if you're online,

2679
02:08:33,066 --> 02:08:36,500
raise your hand on Zoom or press star nine on your phone.

2680
02:08:37,867 --> 02:08:40,300
We have quite a few people online but no hands raised.

2681
02:08:40,767 --> 02:08:42,734
Okay. No one else in the room.

2682
02:08:43,066 --> 02:08:45,300
- Mad Mayor, could I just throw in a quick clarification?

2683
02:08:45,300 --> 02:08:46,567
Yes. For the benefit of Alberto.

2684
02:08:46,834 --> 02:08:49,634
So the recommendation is not the fund one or the other.

2685
02:08:50,100 --> 02:08:53,567
The recommendation is the takeaway from town employee

2686
02:08:53,767 --> 02:08:55,266
funding that we had for the year

2687
02:08:55,867 --> 02:08:59,033
and apply that funding for the 600,000 hour request

2688
02:08:59,367 --> 02:09:03,000
and then reopen the remaining funding for Mecasa, yvan

2689
02:09:03,000 --> 02:09:05,533
and good deeds so that we could proceed

2690
02:09:05,533 --> 02:09:08,066
with supporting the three transactions that are pending.

2691
02:09:08,367 --> 02:09:10,700
And that would be a little bit of a balance to do maybe two

2692
02:09:10,700 --> 02:09:11,700
or three more after that.

2693
02:09:12,634 --> 02:09:16,467
- And how quickly can we unpause as as of tomorrow morning?

2694
02:09:16,734 --> 02:09:18,634
- As soon as a motion is made, as of tonight is made.

2695
02:09:18,667 --> 02:09:21,100
Okay, gotcha. We, I will administratively

2696
02:09:21,734 --> 02:09:23,266
ab cadabra unpause it. This.

2697
02:09:23,433 --> 02:09:27,467
- Okay, so let me ask, is that there's a proposed motion?

2698
02:09:27,767 --> 02:09:29,767
Well, no, because the motion is

2699
02:09:29,834 --> 02:09:31,100
to approve the first amendment,

2700
02:09:32,100 --> 02:09:35,000
but we can't, can't forget to unpause

2701
02:09:35,100 --> 02:09:37,000
or could we just direct staff right now

2702
02:09:37,000 --> 02:09:38,000
- To un pause?

2703
02:09:38,000 --> 02:09:39,767
You can just give me direction or nods and,

2704
02:09:40,066 --> 02:09:41,066
- Okay.

2705
02:09:41,066 --> 02:09:44,567
Does anybody have Yeah, oppose un pausing.

2706
02:09:45,567 --> 02:09:48,934
Mikasa good. Deon? No. So that should be done as of tonight?

2707
02:09:49,066 --> 02:09:53,734
Yes. Yes please. Okay. Okay. Can you, thank you. Alright,

2708
02:09:53,934 --> 02:09:56,567
- We put the motion, - Are we gonna discuss the 600

2709
02:09:56,567 --> 02:09:57,934
versus Yes, we are.

2710
02:09:58,066 --> 02:10:01,133
Then we're gonna discuss the, but I wanted to do that first

2711
02:10:01,300 --> 02:10:05,133
'cause I didn't wanna forget that element of this.

2712
02:10:05,333 --> 02:10:08,467
So that's done and that, and you're clear on that, Eric?

2713
02:10:08,900 --> 02:10:11,500
Yes. Okay. Okay, great. Yes. Okay.

2714
02:10:12,066 --> 02:10:14,100
Next is council discussion

2715
02:10:14,100 --> 02:10:16,100
and deliberation of the first amendment

2716
02:10:16,133 --> 02:10:18,133
to the development agreement with Hidden Valley Estates.

2717
02:10:18,367 --> 02:10:23,266
So what do people have to say about the 600,

2718
02:10:23,367 --> 02:10:26,567
900, et cetera?

2719
02:10:26,667 --> 02:10:29,266
And the other can arrow?

2720
02:10:29,634 --> 02:10:32,000
Matt, did you have a slide

2721
02:10:32,066 --> 02:10:35,634
with the amendments?

2722
02:10:36,700 --> 02:10:37,700
I know it was in your memo.

2723
02:10:39,133 --> 02:10:42,900
- These are - The general dates on page 1 0 8. There we go.

2724
02:10:42,934 --> 02:10:43,767
Here we go. Thank you.

2725
02:10:47,900 --> 02:10:50,066
So who would like to start the discussion? Gary, go ahead.

2726
02:10:50,433 --> 02:10:53,100
- I would just like to, I would just like to say

2727
02:10:53,100 --> 02:10:54,367
that I fully support this project

2728
02:10:54,634 --> 02:10:56,934
and I, I really commend the development team for

2729
02:10:57,367 --> 02:11:00,100
bringing these units to market at a, at a really

2730
02:11:00,634 --> 02:11:02,133
excellent price point compared

2731
02:11:02,133 --> 02:11:04,000
to like Timber Ridge and some of those.

2732
02:11:04,533 --> 02:11:05,533
I mean, it is kind of amazing

2733
02:11:05,533 --> 02:11:07,000
to look at those dollars per square.

2734
02:11:07,533 --> 02:11:11,133
And so I, I fully support this and,

2735
02:11:11,867 --> 02:11:14,867
and I'm in favor of the 600,000

2736
02:11:15,667 --> 02:11:18,100
moving forward for tonight.

2737
02:11:18,367 --> 02:11:21,533
And then that gives us a chance, like Eric said,

2738
02:11:21,533 --> 02:11:24,367
to have a kind of a consolidated overview

2739
02:11:24,367 --> 02:11:28,867
of the housing program, our budget alignment for

2740
02:11:29,300 --> 02:11:33,266
future supporting future funding for Mikasa

2741
02:11:33,433 --> 02:11:37,700
and good deeds, Avon, as well

2742
02:11:37,767 --> 02:11:40,700
as other down payment assistance programs like this one

2743
02:11:41,066 --> 02:11:42,634
for this particular development.

2744
02:11:43,133 --> 02:11:46,100
So yeah, I'm excited about this. It's great.

2745
02:11:46,567 --> 02:11:47,934
And it is the missing middle.

2746
02:11:48,133 --> 02:11:50,867
I was just in a housing authority meeting this morning down

2747
02:11:50,867 --> 02:11:52,233
in Eagle County with the commissioners

2748
02:11:53,000 --> 02:11:55,033
and everybody's talking about the missing middle.

2749
02:11:55,066 --> 02:11:57,500
You know, we've got, we've got low end rent,

2750
02:11:57,500 --> 02:12:01,467
we've got late Litech funding for, for housing.

2751
02:12:01,467 --> 02:12:03,533
That's 60% a MI and below.

2752
02:12:04,066 --> 02:12:08,000
But this really hits the mark as far as I'm concerned

2753
02:12:08,066 --> 02:12:10,867
and I fully support the 600,000 request.

2754
02:12:11,033 --> 02:12:12,266
- Thank you. I don't interrupt,

2755
02:12:12,266 --> 02:12:16,667
but I wanna say that Eric told us please ask for the six

2756
02:12:16,834 --> 02:12:18,233
for this year and we're okay with that.

2757
02:12:19,100 --> 02:12:22,133
And, and so we, when you're discussing the six, first

2758
02:12:22,033 --> 02:12:24,767
of the ninth, we wanna be on the same page

2759
02:12:25,033 --> 02:12:26,166
as the staff and the council.

2760
02:12:26,500 --> 02:12:28,867
So we'll be fine with six for this year.

2761
02:12:29,033 --> 02:12:30,700
- Thank you Steve. Thanks for clarifying

2762
02:12:30,700 --> 02:12:32,066
that. Okay. Any more comment

2763
02:12:32,467 --> 02:12:33,467
- Risk?

2764
02:12:33,467 --> 02:12:37,934
I'm fine with approving the original 2023 request of 600,000

2765
02:12:39,734 --> 02:12:42,100
and we've already discussed the ME hops.

2766
02:12:42,100 --> 02:12:44,066
That's right. I'm good with that.

2767
02:12:44,533 --> 02:12:48,266
And it's a great project too. I'm very excited about it.

2768
02:12:48,467 --> 02:12:51,734
I think it's gonna be phenomenal. So keep it going. Let

2769
02:12:51,734 --> 02:12:52,734
- Me give you a - Tour.

2770
02:12:52,834 --> 02:12:54,000
Okay. What are you doing tomorrow?

2771
02:12:54,300 --> 02:12:56,467
- I know it's a that we were supposed to have a tour today

2772
02:12:56,500 --> 02:12:59,634
and I'm the one that called it off seeing our big agenda

2773
02:12:59,900 --> 02:13:01,100
and other issues.

2774
02:13:01,033 --> 02:13:03,100
So, but we would love to get up there. I know.

2775
02:13:03,500 --> 02:13:05,767
So we'll try to plan that for early September.

2776
02:13:06,000 --> 02:13:07,033
I think Ika

2777
02:13:07,033 --> 02:13:09,300
and I were talking about that, so it'd be great

2778
02:13:09,300 --> 02:13:10,900
to see it. Yes, rich,

2779
02:13:11,767 --> 02:13:13,000
- I agree with what's been said.

2780
02:13:13,634 --> 02:13:15,867
I'm fully supportive of the $600,000.

2781
02:13:16,367 --> 02:13:18,166
The guys out here in the audience, the developers,

2782
02:13:18,266 --> 02:13:20,433
the ones pounding nails are the ones taking the risk

2783
02:13:20,867 --> 02:13:22,467
because they're the ones building things.

2784
02:13:23,367 --> 02:13:24,734
So I think it's the right thing to do

2785
02:13:24,767 --> 02:13:27,100
to honor a previous council's commitment

2786
02:13:27,634 --> 02:13:29,900
even though the completion date slipped, things happen.

2787
02:13:30,100 --> 02:13:32,033
So I think we should honor that piece of it.

2788
02:13:32,634 --> 02:13:35,467
I'd love to be in a place where we can do more next year,

2789
02:13:35,567 --> 02:13:37,300
but as Eric said, there's a lot going on

2790
02:13:37,300 --> 02:13:38,834
and we just need to weigh that,

2791
02:13:40,000 --> 02:13:41,467
all those different demands on our money

2792
02:13:41,467 --> 02:13:43,000
and figure out how we can do things.

2793
02:13:44,133 --> 02:13:47,634
And also I'm super excited to get a Albert into a home

2794
02:13:48,333 --> 02:13:50,000
as soon as he can and the other folks

2795
02:13:50,000 --> 02:13:51,266
that will use those monies.

2796
02:13:51,867 --> 02:13:56,266
I also think we should somehow have the

2797
02:13:56,266 --> 02:13:58,533
conversation with the county to see

2798
02:13:58,533 --> 02:13:59,934
how we can get this opened up

2799
02:13:59,934 --> 02:14:02,467
to the good deeds may cost some money losing forward.

2800
02:14:03,133 --> 02:14:05,033
'cause that could make a big impact on people also.

2801
02:14:05,567 --> 02:14:08,333
So I think there's gotta be a way to work with the county

2802
02:14:08,433 --> 02:14:09,634
to get that going on this.

2803
02:14:10,033 --> 02:14:11,233
So those are my comments,

2804
02:14:12,166 --> 02:14:13,166
- Chico.

2805
02:14:13,667 --> 02:14:15,767
- Six hundred's. Great. We'll leave a little

2806
02:14:16,467 --> 02:14:19,367
change in me CASA's budget to keep that rolling.

2807
02:14:20,700 --> 02:14:23,567
Albert, I'm Albert iv. My son's Albert the fifth.

2808
02:14:24,700 --> 02:14:27,834
Not many Albert there that call ourselves.

2809
02:14:27,834 --> 02:14:29,100
Albert, so good for you.

2810
02:14:29,467 --> 02:14:33,066
No, and I think that, you know,

2811
02:14:33,066 --> 02:14:34,634
some good decisions were made today.

2812
02:14:35,166 --> 02:14:36,266
- Okay. Kevin? I'm a

2813
02:14:36,266 --> 02:14:37,634
- Big, I'm a big fan of this also

2814
02:14:37,634 --> 02:14:40,500
and the 600,000 is, is acceptable

2815
02:14:40,934 --> 02:14:45,700
and it seems like the the future will provide us more

2816
02:14:45,700 --> 02:14:49,000
opportunity to put money towards the

2817
02:14:49,000 --> 02:14:50,100
community housing up there too.

2818
02:14:50,133 --> 02:14:53,033
But it's a great, I like town homes. I live in a town home.

2819
02:14:53,066 --> 02:14:55,634
It's nice to not have somebody above you or below you and,

2820
02:14:55,734 --> 02:14:58,767
and that's makes for a better quality of life.

2821
02:15:00,100 --> 02:15:03,100
- Great. Thanks everyone. I am also in favor

2822
02:15:03,233 --> 02:15:07,367
of funding at the, the $600,000 level for 2026.

2823
02:15:07,634 --> 02:15:09,867
My only reservation here is in the,

2824
02:15:09,867 --> 02:15:11,834
because of course I read the first amendment

2825
02:15:12,266 --> 02:15:13,367
actually itself.

2826
02:15:13,567 --> 02:15:18,000
And in section four on page 1 52 of the packet

2827
02:15:19,166 --> 02:15:23,634
we have section four, the first amendment where we,

2828
02:15:23,900 --> 02:15:27,667
it is amending section 7.5 of the development agreement

2829
02:15:29,000 --> 02:15:32,867
and it talks about the town's intention to supply funds.

2830
02:15:34,133 --> 02:15:35,834
This, that statement still says

2831
02:15:35,867 --> 02:15:38,133
that under this section seven, the town intends

2832
02:15:38,133 --> 02:15:42,033
to provide funds for the full development in an amount not

2833
02:15:42,033 --> 02:15:44,033
to exceed $1.7 million.

2834
02:15:44,433 --> 02:15:47,066
I know it says not to exceed $1.7 million,

2835
02:15:47,934 --> 02:15:50,567
but I don't feel good about saying

2836
02:15:50,567 --> 02:15:55,133
that the town has any intention to get near that number.

2837
02:15:55,433 --> 02:15:59,767
I think that we have a clear intention to fund the 600 now

2838
02:16:00,233 --> 02:16:04,033
and potentially consider money next year,

2839
02:16:04,500 --> 02:16:05,867
but I don't think it's gonna approach

2840
02:16:06,367 --> 02:16:08,433
anywhere approach the $1.7 million.

2841
02:16:09,000 --> 02:16:11,734
So I don't like that first paragraph

2842
02:16:11,867 --> 02:16:13,333
and I don't like,

2843
02:16:17,000 --> 02:16:18,133
I mean it does say it's subject

2844
02:16:18,133 --> 02:16:20,100
to annual appropriation also,

2845
02:16:20,033 --> 02:16:24,934
but it does, it talks about additional, you know, one point,

2846
02:16:25,066 --> 02:16:28,667
what is that $1.1 million that I really don't think we have

2847
02:16:29,433 --> 02:16:30,700
an intention of funding.

2848
02:16:30,900 --> 02:16:33,467
But Sean, we'll go to you after I hear from Eric.

2849
02:16:34,367 --> 02:16:36,634
- So the, the suggestion would be if you were going

2850
02:16:36,634 --> 02:16:41,133
to approve the 600,000, we don't need to have that amendment

2851
02:16:41,500 --> 02:16:43,000
and that that amendment four,

2852
02:16:43,734 --> 02:16:46,500
you are recognizing the language that does say 1.7

2853
02:16:46,634 --> 02:16:49,700
and that's money that I would, I think no one, none

2854
02:16:49,700 --> 02:16:51,066
of us knows when that comes.

2855
02:16:51,033 --> 02:16:53,567
It also doesn't have a timeframe on that.

2856
02:16:54,166 --> 02:16:56,767
But what I would point out is the last two sentences

2857
02:16:57,867 --> 02:17:00,100
really make it discretionary by the town.

2858
02:17:00,100 --> 02:17:02,066
That was the intent in the original development agreement.

2859
02:17:02,467 --> 02:17:05,734
The remaining blank funds, depending on what you award,

2860
02:17:06,233 --> 02:17:08,834
the reigning blank fund shall be subject to annual budget

2861
02:17:08,867 --> 02:17:10,867
and appropriation by the Avon Town Council.

2862
02:17:11,333 --> 02:17:14,033
The next sentence reads, the Avon Town Council may revise,

2863
02:17:14,567 --> 02:17:16,834
increase, reduce, or rescind its commitment

2864
02:17:17,100 --> 02:17:20,100
for the remaining funds in its sole discretion.

2865
02:17:20,700 --> 02:17:23,867
So that was intended to be explicit that

2866
02:17:25,266 --> 02:17:27,367
I think the developer wanted to see that

2867
02:17:28,867 --> 02:17:31,634
Avon was recognizing the,

2868
02:17:31,634 --> 02:17:34,133
that it would take a look at providing funding

2869
02:17:35,000 --> 02:17:36,634
beyond just the 600,000.

2870
02:17:37,300 --> 02:17:40,033
But when we wrote that up in 2023,

2871
02:17:40,834 --> 02:17:42,934
we were very conscious about making explicit

2872
02:17:43,000 --> 02:17:45,100
that it's not a legal obligation, it's

2873
02:17:45,767 --> 02:17:48,867
this council next council's sole discretion if you award

2874
02:17:48,867 --> 02:17:50,934
more than 600,000.

2875
02:17:51,567 --> 02:17:53,533
- Okay, thank you. Sean, what do you have to say about it?

2876
02:17:54,467 --> 02:17:55,734
- The reason we really wanted that

2877
02:17:55,734 --> 02:17:58,000
to stay in there is when we, so Steve kind

2878
02:17:58,000 --> 02:18:00,233
of touched on it earlier, but when we initially were talking

2879
02:18:00,233 --> 02:18:02,033
about this project five years ago

2880
02:18:02,033 --> 02:18:06,033
and stuff, it was the, the town verbally was going to commit

2881
02:18:06,033 --> 02:18:08,000
to, you know, Steve talks in units.

2882
02:18:08,000 --> 02:18:11,700
So 1.7 17 units try to get the county to match, try

2883
02:18:11,700 --> 02:18:14,300
to get veil to match climate change that you know,

2884
02:18:14,300 --> 02:18:16,033
what everyone is able to match or not

2885
02:18:16,033 --> 02:18:17,066
or what they're doing changed.

2886
02:18:17,000 --> 02:18:21,000
But the intent was that, you know, in our, as of the town,

2887
02:18:21,000 --> 02:18:23,300
why we're taking as rich said all the risk

2888
02:18:23,367 --> 02:18:26,000
and putting all the money up as developers was saying, Hey,

2889
02:18:26,000 --> 02:18:27,266
make sure you guys are trying

2890
02:18:27,266 --> 02:18:29,000
to find whatever funding's out there to help people.

2891
02:18:29,467 --> 02:18:32,500
Our concern is as we progress through this project,

2892
02:18:32,767 --> 02:18:34,000
council changes everything else

2893
02:18:34,000 --> 02:18:35,233
and all of a sudden we come back in here

2894
02:18:35,233 --> 02:18:36,567
and people are going, why are you asking for money?

2895
02:18:36,567 --> 02:18:39,734
What's going on? You know, because if there's a demand

2896
02:18:39,734 --> 02:18:42,467
and a need for it, we wanna make sure that everyone is aware

2897
02:18:42,467 --> 02:18:44,000
and as the council changes over,

2898
02:18:44,133 --> 02:18:45,700
I'd be happy if you guys all just stay.

2899
02:18:45,734 --> 02:18:47,066
But I know that's not how it works.

2900
02:18:47,233 --> 02:18:49,066
So we're gonna, we wanna make sure

2901
02:18:49,066 --> 02:18:50,533
that there's something documented

2902
02:18:50,533 --> 02:18:52,000
and we, we completely understand.

2903
02:18:52,000 --> 02:18:53,133
You can't fully commit to it

2904
02:18:53,367 --> 02:18:54,934
and say we're doing this no matter what.

2905
02:18:55,667 --> 02:18:58,734
The dollar amount I think is probably less important

2906
02:18:58,934 --> 02:19:01,634
as the intent that the town is there to support the project.

2907
02:19:02,033 --> 02:19:04,934
'cause that's what it was verbally four years ago

2908
02:19:04,934 --> 02:19:06,033
to the tune of 50 units.

2909
02:19:06,667 --> 02:19:09,000
Now we're trying to write in just 17

2910
02:19:09,000 --> 02:19:10,033
and roading getting pushed back.

2911
02:19:10,033 --> 02:19:11,700
And so we kind of feel like as we get to the end

2912
02:19:11,700 --> 02:19:13,533
of the project when we say, okay, it's your turn to help,

2913
02:19:14,000 --> 02:19:15,467
you guys are starting to pull back the range.

2914
02:19:15,467 --> 02:19:17,100
We wanna make sure that everyone is aware

2915
02:19:17,100 --> 02:19:19,700
as we go forward is, there was an intent from the beginning

2916
02:19:19,734 --> 02:19:23,033
for this, so that's why we want something in there.

2917
02:19:23,066 --> 02:19:25,634
But we understand you can't guarantee

2918
02:19:26,700 --> 02:19:31,000
- We right in 2023 seems like a long time ago now.

2919
02:19:32,500 --> 02:19:36,100
We also have so many other projects on our plate demanding

2920
02:19:36,367 --> 02:19:38,300
funds and

2921
02:19:38,467 --> 02:19:39,467
- How many are delivering.

2922
02:19:39,867 --> 02:19:41,834
Huh? How many of them are actually producing units

2923
02:19:42,000 --> 02:19:43,867
for purchase in the next year? No, I

2924
02:19:43,867 --> 02:19:45,467
- Know I'm not gonna debate it with you Sean,

2925
02:19:45,467 --> 02:19:47,367
but I'm saying you don understand we have

2926
02:19:47,367 --> 02:19:48,367
- A lot of demands.

2927
02:19:48,367 --> 02:19:49,066
Yeah, there's a lot of things going on

2928
02:19:49,333 --> 02:19:53,066
- And so, and I also, I I I can live

2929
02:19:53,066 --> 02:19:56,100
with leaving the future $1.1 million subject

2930
02:19:56,166 --> 02:19:57,500
to annual appropriation

2931
02:19:57,500 --> 02:20:00,700
and that the council can revise, increase, reduce,

2932
02:20:00,700 --> 02:20:03,867
or rescind its commitment to the $1.1 million in the future.

2933
02:20:04,433 --> 02:20:07,100
But I think I also want a recognition in here

2934
02:20:07,433 --> 02:20:11,533
that we are contributing 47.7

2935
02:20:12,133 --> 02:20:14,033
single family equivalence water.

2936
02:20:15,100 --> 02:20:17,233
Okay. And that could go under section two

2937
02:20:17,934 --> 02:20:20,100
of the First Amendment where the water rights

2938
02:20:21,066 --> 02:20:22,066
section was deleted

2939
02:20:23,433 --> 02:20:24,567
- And your a hundred percent Right.

2940
02:20:24,567 --> 02:20:27,033
That is a huge help and a huge thing from the beginning.

2941
02:20:27,033 --> 02:20:29,500
We were concerned about, we all know how water is,

2942
02:20:29,500 --> 02:20:31,000
it was a big issue five years ago.

2943
02:20:31,000 --> 02:20:32,066
It's a bigger issue now. Yes.

2944
02:20:32,066 --> 02:20:33,567
So we understand and yes,

2945
02:20:33,567 --> 02:20:35,500
we can put a dull amount to it, but it is

2946
02:20:35,700 --> 02:20:36,700
- A huge Okay, great.

2947
02:20:36,700 --> 02:20:38,000
If we can get that recognition in there

2948
02:20:38,066 --> 02:20:39,100
as value, that would be great.

2949
02:20:39,266 --> 02:20:42,734
I appreciate it. Thank you. Okay.

2950
02:20:44,133 --> 02:20:46,634
Do I hear a motion? Can we get the proposed motion

2951
02:20:46,834 --> 02:20:47,867
on the screen please?

2952
02:20:49,066 --> 02:20:52,266
With that? I would ask for that change to section two

2953
02:20:52,266 --> 02:20:55,066
of the First Amendment as a,

2954
02:20:56,166 --> 02:20:57,533
as a Well

2955
02:20:57,634 --> 02:20:58,634
- Why don't you make the motion.

2956
02:20:58,934 --> 02:21:02,634
- Okay. I will unusually make the motion.

2957
02:21:03,433 --> 02:21:05,367
Am I allowed to make the motion?

2958
02:21:05,767 --> 02:21:07,100
- Absolutely, you can - Tonight. I can.

2959
02:21:07,000 --> 02:21:08,433
I can tonight. Okay. You're the

2960
02:21:08,433 --> 02:21:09,433
- Boss.

2961
02:21:09,433 --> 02:21:10,100
Good.

2962
02:21:11,166 --> 02:21:12,934
- I moved to approve the first Amendment

2963
02:21:13,033 --> 02:21:15,166
to the development agreement for Hidden Value Estates

2964
02:21:15,166 --> 02:21:17,133
with $600,000 in funding

2965
02:21:17,100 --> 02:21:19,767
and completion of first six units

2966
02:21:20,066 --> 02:21:23,166
by December 31st, 2027.

2967
02:21:23,433 --> 02:21:26,266
And addition in section two of the First Amendment,

2968
02:21:26,667 --> 02:21:28,734
a recognition that the Town

2969
02:21:28,734 --> 02:21:32,133
of Avon is contributing 47.7 single family

2970
02:21:32,133 --> 02:21:33,500
equivalents of water to the project.

2971
02:21:36,066 --> 02:21:39,133
- Second. That was a motion. Right.

2972
02:21:39,333 --> 02:21:41,000
- Well thank you Tamara Chico.

2973
02:21:41,834 --> 02:21:44,300
All those in favor of the motion please say aye.

2974
02:21:44,900 --> 02:21:46,100
Aye. Aye. Aye.

2975
02:21:46,300 --> 02:21:50,467
- Aye. - Aye. Are there any nays? No. Thank you everyone.

2976
02:21:50,467 --> 02:21:52,000
Thank you Hidden Valley. It's a great

2977
02:21:52,000 --> 02:21:53,934
project, we're excited for it. And thank

2978
02:21:53,934 --> 02:21:54,934
- You for coming Albert?

2979
02:21:56,266 --> 02:21:57,667
- Yes Albert, thank you for your comments.

2980
02:21:58,634 --> 02:22:00,367
We will, we will. Phil

2981
02:22:00,367 --> 02:22:02,000
- And I know round slide moves way so

2982
02:22:02,133 --> 02:22:03,133
- Best of luck to you.

2983
02:22:03,634 --> 02:22:04,667
Keep us posted please.

2984
02:22:05,000 --> 02:22:09,500
- Morning. - Alright, we are on

2985
02:22:09,734 --> 02:22:11,033
to item 6.4.

2986
02:22:11,300 --> 02:22:14,734
I opened the public hearing for Ordinance 26 0 9.

2987
02:22:14,834 --> 02:22:17,066
This is the second reading a code text amendment

2988
02:22:17,333 --> 02:22:20,166
for the real estate transfer tax exemptions

2989
02:22:21,033 --> 02:22:24,533
we have in a T Financial analyst Chase Simmons.

2990
02:22:25,533 --> 02:22:27,100
- This is, this is just for Patty.

2991
02:22:27,667 --> 02:22:29,100
She's been urging me to wear a tie.

2992
02:22:30,133 --> 02:22:31,634
So Patty,

2993
02:22:33,767 --> 02:22:36,066
Good evening Madam Mayor and members of council.

2994
02:22:36,133 --> 02:22:39,700
This is the second reading of Ordinance 26 dash oh nine,

2995
02:22:39,700 --> 02:22:41,367
which just makes some clerical changes

2996
02:22:41,467 --> 02:22:44,500
to our real estate transfer tax application process.

2997
02:22:45,734 --> 02:22:47,233
Counsel approved the first reading

2998
02:22:47,233 --> 02:22:49,734
with no requested changes on June 9th.

2999
02:22:50,700 --> 02:22:52,033
So just a little refresher.

3000
02:22:52,500 --> 02:22:53,634
This only does two things

3001
02:22:54,433 --> 02:22:57,000
and extends the application deadline from four months

3002
02:22:57,667 --> 02:23:01,834
to one year and then also removes some language

3003
02:23:02,767 --> 02:23:06,700
allowing for an extension if good

3004
02:23:06,734 --> 02:23:07,767
cause is found.

3005
02:23:08,934 --> 02:23:10,300
We're gonna be firm on that one year.

3006
02:23:12,000 --> 02:23:14,767
This aligns with some precedent that was set back in 2024

3007
02:23:15,033 --> 02:23:18,934
where the council then did approve a handful that were

3008
02:23:18,934 --> 02:23:19,934
beyond four months.

3009
02:23:21,634 --> 02:23:23,867
And the goal here is just to reduce unnecessary council

3010
02:23:23,900 --> 02:23:27,100
and staff time because those beyond four months all had

3011
02:23:27,100 --> 02:23:30,000
to come to council and be on an agenda

3012
02:23:30,033 --> 02:23:31,300
and be spoken about here.

3013
02:23:33,634 --> 02:23:35,767
And there's a motion in your packet on page 1 59

3014
02:23:36,000 --> 02:23:37,066
unless you have questions.

3015
02:23:38,233 --> 02:23:41,066
- Questions for Chase? No questions.

3016
02:23:41,100 --> 02:23:42,000
Let's hear from the public.

3017
02:23:44,166 --> 02:23:47,133
This is public comment portion of our public hearing.

3018
02:23:47,233 --> 02:23:49,133
If anyone would please speak to us

3019
02:23:50,000 --> 02:23:54,734
now about ordinance 26 0 9 amending our development code

3020
02:23:54,767 --> 02:23:57,066
with the code text amendment regarding real estate

3021
02:23:57,834 --> 02:23:59,066
transfer tax exemptions.

3022
02:23:59,100 --> 02:24:00,233
It's not in the development code,

3023
02:24:00,233 --> 02:24:02,767
it's just in the municipal code part.

3024
02:24:03,100 --> 02:24:06,467
Is there anybody online inika with a hand raised

3025
02:24:06,467 --> 02:24:07,867
or press starline on your phone

3026
02:24:07,934 --> 02:24:09,233
to speak to us about this ordinance?

3027
02:24:09,500 --> 02:24:11,066
See now Madam Mayor. Okay,

3028
02:24:11,700 --> 02:24:13,934
I close the public comment portion of this public hearing.

3029
02:24:14,133 --> 02:24:16,734
We are onto council discussion and deliberation.

3030
02:24:19,867 --> 02:24:20,867
Anything or a motion.

3031
02:24:22,033 --> 02:24:25,100
- I'll make a motion move to approve second

3032
02:24:25,000 --> 02:24:29,000
and final reading of ordinance 26 dash oh nine amending

3033
02:24:29,000 --> 02:24:33,533
chapter three point 12.070 real property transfer tax

3034
02:24:33,867 --> 02:24:36,867
application for exemption slash appeal.

3035
02:24:37,000 --> 02:24:38,000
Second.

3036
02:24:38,500 --> 02:24:39,634
- Thank you Kevin and Ruthie.

3037
02:24:39,734 --> 02:24:42,300
All those in favor of the motion please say aye. Aye.

3038
02:24:42,300 --> 02:24:45,300
Those opposed, please say nay. That passes six to zero.

3039
02:24:45,667 --> 02:24:46,734
Jason, thanks for the work.

3040
02:24:47,634 --> 02:24:50,734
- I stu - Onto Ordinance 26 0 6.

3041
02:24:50,734 --> 02:24:51,834
This is the first reading

3042
02:24:51,900 --> 02:24:54,634
of the Construction Noise Regulations.

3043
02:24:54,900 --> 02:24:57,367
We have community development director Matt Peel sticker,

3044
02:24:57,934 --> 02:24:58,934
- Mad mayor.

3045
02:24:58,934 --> 02:25:03,233
Thank you. I believe this was on

3046
02:25:03,233 --> 02:25:05,467
your agenda in June and it was not discussed.

3047
02:25:05,467 --> 02:25:06,567
It was continued. It was a,

3048
02:25:06,567 --> 02:25:08,100
it was a packed agenda if I remember.

3049
02:25:08,500 --> 02:25:11,734
There were a few additional changes since that meeting

3050
02:25:12,000 --> 02:25:13,567
and I'll just highlight what those were.

3051
02:25:14,634 --> 02:25:16,734
But we are here to discuss the first reading

3052
02:25:16,734 --> 02:25:20,000
of Ordinance 26 dash six construction noise.

3053
02:25:22,900 --> 02:25:26,233
This address is a regulatory gap in

3054
02:25:26,233 --> 02:25:29,033
that our municipal code solely has

3055
02:25:30,100 --> 02:25:33,834
construction hours from 7:00 AM to 7:00 PM Monday

3056
02:25:33,867 --> 02:25:36,233
to Saturday Sundays and holidays it's nine to six.

3057
02:25:36,634 --> 02:25:38,367
So any audible noise currently,

3058
02:25:39,033 --> 02:25:41,033
there's no measured noise limit.

3059
02:25:41,133 --> 02:25:43,500
It's just audible noise from construction

3060
02:25:43,500 --> 02:25:44,734
is limited to those hours.

3061
02:25:45,433 --> 02:25:49,834
And so this provides code enforcement with the tool

3062
02:25:49,900 --> 02:25:53,467
of having actual measurable sound limits which match the

3063
02:25:53,467 --> 02:25:55,634
state of Colorado limits for construction noise.

3064
02:25:57,100 --> 02:26:00,634
The big change since the last time the council discussed

3065
02:26:00,634 --> 02:26:03,867
this ordinance was defining what a driven pile is

3066
02:26:04,266 --> 02:26:09,133
and that's a construction type that uses non-continuous,

3067
02:26:10,133 --> 02:26:11,867
I'll just say annoying noise.

3068
02:26:13,734 --> 02:26:17,133
Repeated impact noise from

3069
02:26:17,734 --> 02:26:19,033
usually drilling equipment.

3070
02:26:19,867 --> 02:26:22,033
And so we define that as a type of pile driving

3071
02:26:22,033 --> 02:26:25,333
and equipment or setup used to install piles into the ground

3072
02:26:25,467 --> 02:26:29,033
by applying repeated impact vibration

3073
02:26:29,000 --> 02:26:31,834
or hydraulic force to drive them to a required depth

3074
02:26:31,934 --> 02:26:34,567
and load bearing capacity, which is a

3075
02:26:35,100 --> 02:26:38,000
commonly accepted definition for that construction type.

3076
02:26:39,567 --> 02:26:42,233
Like I just mentioned, these standards align with the state

3077
02:26:42,233 --> 02:26:46,533
of Colorado requirements for construction noise,

3078
02:26:49,000 --> 02:26:52,166
which is measured from 25 feet from the property line.

3079
02:26:52,166 --> 02:26:54,233
This is all as discussed previously.

3080
02:26:55,133 --> 02:26:58,767
Again 7:00 AM to 7:00 PM driven piles.

3081
02:26:59,033 --> 02:27:00,367
This is another change since

3082
02:27:00,367 --> 02:27:01,467
the last time he talked about it.

3083
02:27:01,533 --> 02:27:05,133
We further restricted those to 9:00 AM to 6:00 PM Monday

3084
02:27:05,133 --> 02:27:08,700
through Saturday and then no noise at all from driven piles

3085
02:27:08,700 --> 02:27:10,467
on Sundays and holidays.

3086
02:27:13,033 --> 02:27:16,100
That's a little driven pile rig.

3087
02:27:18,500 --> 02:27:21,033
So as part of a building permit review process,

3088
02:27:21,166 --> 02:27:25,100
the building official shall identify if this type

3089
02:27:25,100 --> 02:27:29,033
of activity is occurring and if so, the applicant

3090
02:27:29,100 --> 02:27:32,433
or contractor must demonstrate reasonable measures to baffle

3091
02:27:32,433 --> 02:27:34,700
or reduce noise from driven piles.

3092
02:27:35,700 --> 02:27:39,100
In addition to describing when it's gonna occur exactly

3093
02:27:39,100 --> 02:27:41,367
where it's gonna occur, what the equipment it is

3094
02:27:42,233 --> 02:27:43,634
that schedule would then,

3095
02:27:44,033 --> 02:27:46,700
after the reasonable measures to baffle are

3096
02:27:47,133 --> 02:27:49,734
provided, the schedule would be physically posted

3097
02:27:49,934 --> 02:27:53,367
to the job site and made available to the public

3098
02:27:53,533 --> 02:27:55,133
to let everybody know when this type

3099
02:27:55,133 --> 02:27:56,233
of activity would occur.

3100
02:27:56,266 --> 02:27:59,467
Again, it would, it wouldn't be allowed on Sundays

3101
02:27:59,467 --> 02:28:02,734
or holidays or between after 6:00 PM or

3102
02:28:02,734 --> 02:28:07,300
before 9:00 AM the chief

3103
02:28:07,300 --> 02:28:10,033
of police or designated town representative can inspect,

3104
02:28:10,033 --> 02:28:15,066
measure and obtain access compliance and penalties.

3105
02:28:15,166 --> 02:28:19,734
We changed it from a criminal to a civil matter.

3106
02:28:20,567 --> 02:28:24,634
And there was one other thing I was gonna mention on that.

3107
02:28:26,433 --> 02:28:31,000
I'll come back to it. Counsel has the

3108
02:28:31,000 --> 02:28:33,500
discretion to approve, continue or table this item.

3109
02:28:34,367 --> 02:28:36,634
And we are recommending approval first reading

3110
02:28:37,166 --> 02:28:38,867
and then setting that public hearing.

3111
02:28:40,834 --> 02:28:42,700
Whenever you're comfortable, we are recommending your next

3112
02:28:42,700 --> 02:28:46,533
meeting building official here.

3113
02:28:47,433 --> 02:28:50,634
And if you have any questions from he

3114
02:28:50,634 --> 02:28:52,567
or myself, we're here to answer them.

3115
02:28:54,100 --> 02:28:55,333
- So Derek, the graphic

3116
02:28:55,834 --> 02:28:57,700
with the pile driving, I'd like that.

3117
02:28:59,000 --> 02:29:01,767
Is that in your capital improvement plan budget? Yes.

3118
02:29:02,000 --> 02:29:03,867
The pile driver with our logo on it

3119
02:29:05,133 --> 02:29:07,066
that you know says hey on.

3120
02:29:07,500 --> 02:29:09,500
Yeah, so that's good. Spending money

3121
02:29:10,266 --> 02:29:12,266
- For what it's worth, the, the big projects

3122
02:29:12,266 --> 02:29:14,066
that we're seeing come outta the ground are

3123
02:29:14,066 --> 02:29:15,033
not using this activity.

3124
02:29:15,133 --> 02:29:16,333
I think I mentioned this last time,

3125
02:29:16,567 --> 02:29:20,467
so we're not sure the next time this type of equipment

3126
02:29:21,333 --> 02:29:22,500
is gonna roll into town.

3127
02:29:22,634 --> 02:29:26,567
But for, you know, the skull is gonna use more

3128
02:29:26,567 --> 02:29:30,000
of a drilled pile, which is not the

3129
02:29:31,033 --> 02:29:33,133
- Right sort of a helical pier.

3130
02:29:33,133 --> 02:29:35,066
- Yeah, exactly. Auger.

3131
02:29:35,567 --> 02:29:37,100
- And then what about the summit?

3132
02:29:37,333 --> 02:29:39,867
Is that, have you got building permit submittal

3133
02:29:39,900 --> 02:29:41,066
yet? Do we know what they're doing?

3134
02:29:41,100 --> 02:29:43,133
- We have a building permit submittal. Do you wanna

3135
02:29:43,567 --> 02:29:47,266
- Yeah, I was just gonna say they're planning on excavating

3136
02:29:47,266 --> 02:29:48,834
down to decent material.

3137
02:29:49,100 --> 02:29:52,033
Okay. And then they're gonna do a, a typical spread footing.

3138
02:29:52,667 --> 02:29:55,233
- And so lot three is similar to that. Do you think lot

3139
02:29:55,233 --> 02:29:57,133
- Three will probably be similar to that?

3140
02:29:57,367 --> 02:29:59,100
Although I've yet to meet a contractor over there.

3141
02:29:59,900 --> 02:30:02,700
- Okay. That's terre.

3142
02:30:03,934 --> 02:30:05,333
- I think the, the biggest thing

3143
02:30:05,333 --> 02:30:10,000
with these is the repetitive pounding that happens That,

3144
02:30:10,700 --> 02:30:12,734
and you don't know when to expect it.

3145
02:30:13,066 --> 02:30:15,834
When you have a schedule and we have a time

3146
02:30:16,066 --> 02:30:19,133
and we have a limit and we have some sound deadening

3147
02:30:20,033 --> 02:30:22,867
barriers put up with a plan ahead of time

3148
02:30:23,700 --> 02:30:26,100
and a notification to people, then they can expect in

3149
02:30:26,500 --> 02:30:28,066
and begin to know what's happening.

3150
02:30:29,166 --> 02:30:30,300
To have this start

3151
02:30:30,300 --> 02:30:32,767
and stop at unknown times is,

3152
02:30:33,100 --> 02:30:34,300
is just gotta be nerve wracking.

3153
02:30:34,300 --> 02:30:35,634
If you're close enough to it. I

3154
02:30:35,634 --> 02:30:37,066
- Found this on the web for eight people,

3155
02:30:37,133 --> 02:30:38,533
I can expect to know what's happening.

3156
02:30:38,867 --> 02:30:40,333
- Okay. Okay. Check it out.

3157
02:30:40,467 --> 02:30:43,767
And so listen did check it out so while, while Chico,

3158
02:30:44,634 --> 02:30:46,734
she's listening that.

3159
02:30:47,033 --> 02:30:48,734
- Okay, rich couple - Questions.

3160
02:30:50,166 --> 02:30:52,834
- What are examples of on this slide?

3161
02:30:53,000 --> 02:30:55,700
Reasonable measures to baffle or reduce noise?

3162
02:30:58,533 --> 02:31:00,333
- Physical barriers. Physical barriers.

3163
02:31:00,500 --> 02:31:04,033
When I mean physical barriers, has anyone seen the,

3164
02:31:06,133 --> 02:31:10,867
the oil fracking that happens in the flatlands around us

3165
02:31:10,900 --> 02:31:12,066
and to the west, it's

3166
02:31:12,066 --> 02:31:13,033
- Kinda walls, tall - Walls, they,

3167
02:31:13,333 --> 02:31:15,300
- Tall walls, burlap, sometimes

3168
02:31:16,567 --> 02:31:19,500
hard sound deadening materials similar

3169
02:31:19,634 --> 02:31:21,634
to like a SolidX type product.

3170
02:31:22,433 --> 02:31:24,266
- So you're out there pay.

3171
02:31:24,500 --> 02:31:28,533
Okay, next question is, why are we allowing this on Saturday

3172
02:31:29,734 --> 02:31:30,734
- Or not?

3173
02:31:31,834 --> 02:31:34,100
- We are 9:00 AM to 6:00 PM Monday to Saturday.

3174
02:31:35,033 --> 02:31:37,834
Only on, not on Sunday. Not on Sundays or

3175
02:31:37,834 --> 02:31:39,033
- Holidays. That was

3176
02:31:39,233 --> 02:31:41,767
- Why Saturdays it's council's discretion.

3177
02:31:41,934 --> 02:31:42,734
'cause you gotta gotta start somewhere.

3178
02:31:42,867 --> 02:31:43,867
Yeah, we gotta start somewhere.

3179
02:31:44,033 --> 02:31:45,333
It's council's discretion. Okay.

3180
02:31:45,834 --> 02:31:47,266
We did hear the response before that.

3181
02:31:47,266 --> 02:31:49,533
Well then the duration will be more weeks of,

3182
02:31:49,567 --> 02:31:51,767
of this activity if you restrict the days more.

3183
02:31:52,066 --> 02:31:53,367
Oh, okay. So we just thought it was

3184
02:31:53,367 --> 02:31:54,634
somewhere kind of in the middle.

3185
02:31:55,266 --> 02:31:57,100
Well that actually that that's helpful

3186
02:31:57,433 --> 02:31:59,033
and I might have some thoughts on that later.

3187
02:31:59,033 --> 02:32:00,100
Thanks

3188
02:32:02,166 --> 02:32:03,166
- Matt.

3189
02:32:03,166 --> 02:32:05,533
I have some questions about the, and maybe this for Nina.

3190
02:32:06,066 --> 02:32:07,500
It's actually in the ordinance.

3191
02:32:09,467 --> 02:32:12,667
So under, I'm on page 1 71,

3192
02:32:12,734 --> 02:32:17,567
section 8 4 4 0 3 oh prohibition of construction noise.

3193
02:32:17,700 --> 02:32:22,133
And there's an A, A, B, C, D, E, A

3194
02:32:22,133 --> 02:32:24,467
and B seem to be the same thing.

3195
02:32:24,867 --> 02:32:26,834
I, I don't understand the difference between

3196
02:32:30,100 --> 02:32:32,000
- So - A and B What page

3197
02:32:32,000 --> 02:32:33,000
- Are you on again?

3198
02:32:33,033 --> 02:32:35,300
- One, - It's 1 71 I see eight. Eight.

3199
02:32:36,000 --> 02:32:40,233
Just to restate the mayor, 8.4 4.030030.

3200
02:32:40,300 --> 02:32:41,533
- So let's A and B.

3201
02:32:45,133 --> 02:32:49,233
Is it that A regulates 80 decibels because

3202
02:32:49,433 --> 02:32:52,033
- One is Sunday, A is Sunday and national holidays

3203
02:32:52,066 --> 02:32:54,533
and B is Monday through Saturday. Except they're

3204
02:32:54,900 --> 02:32:57,000
- Always at 80 decibels.

3205
02:32:58,100 --> 02:33:00,533
Correct? They're both correct. 80 decibels, right?

3206
02:33:00,533 --> 02:33:04,133
- That's correct. Right. Nina's saying A is 9:00 AM

3207
02:33:04,166 --> 02:33:07,066
to 6:00 PM and on

3208
02:33:07,066 --> 02:33:09,100
- Sundays - B is 7:00 AM to 7:00 PM

3209
02:33:09,667 --> 02:33:10,700
for the Monday through Saturday.

3210
02:33:12,066 --> 02:33:15,133
- Okay. - These two were actually combined in one paragraph

3211
02:33:15,066 --> 02:33:17,266
and it, the days were mixed

3212
02:33:17,300 --> 02:33:18,533
and it was, it was actually Okay,

3213
02:33:18,533 --> 02:33:19,533
- So it was split, correct?

3214
02:33:19,533 --> 02:33:21,033
- Yeah, it was split out. - Okay.

3215
02:33:21,166 --> 02:33:26,100
So look at B at the, at the end it the last two lines says

3216
02:33:26,100 --> 02:33:29,367
that such noise is a public nuisance when occurring on all

3217
02:33:29,467 --> 02:33:32,033
other days Monday through Saturday.

3218
02:33:32,934 --> 02:33:35,700
- Yeah. So we should strike on all other days when it should

3219
02:33:35,700 --> 02:33:36,867
say when occurring on

3220
02:33:36,867 --> 02:33:38,033
- Monday through Saturday.

3221
02:33:38,033 --> 02:33:39,033
- Monday through Saturday through Saturday.

3222
02:33:39,266 --> 02:33:41,000
So delete all other days.

3223
02:33:42,367 --> 02:33:43,934
- Okay. - Apologies for

3224
02:33:43,934 --> 02:33:44,934
- That.

3225
02:33:44,934 --> 02:33:48,367
Okay. And then C is the pile driving window

3226
02:33:49,233 --> 02:33:51,433
that I will have a comment to as well.

3227
02:33:52,033 --> 02:33:53,033
And Rich will,

3228
02:33:54,767 --> 02:33:55,867
- And you wanna note

3229
02:33:55,867 --> 02:33:58,033
that the language there says Monday through Friday,

3230
02:33:58,133 --> 02:33:59,500
- It should, it, it already says Monday

3231
02:33:59,500 --> 02:34:01,934
through Friday the ordinance rich not, not

3232
02:34:01,934 --> 02:34:02,734
- To put words in your - Mouth,

3233
02:34:02,834 --> 02:34:04,734
says Monday through Saturday. What's that?

3234
02:34:05,033 --> 02:34:07,133
- Not to put words in your mouth. Monday through Friday.

3235
02:34:08,066 --> 02:34:10,500
- Yeah, it says Monday through Friday, not Saturday. Okay.

3236
02:34:11,000 --> 02:34:12,133
Okay, let's go on to d.

3237
02:34:14,667 --> 02:34:19,333
D is the 80 decibels can be ex exceeded.

3238
02:34:19,634 --> 02:34:23,300
It can go up to 90 decibels for a period not

3239
02:34:23,300 --> 02:34:27,033
to exceed 15 minutes every one hour period.

3240
02:34:29,166 --> 02:34:32,500
That just seems, that's 45 minutes of quiet

3241
02:34:32,667 --> 02:34:36,000
and 15 minutes of 90 decibels.

3242
02:34:36,133 --> 02:34:37,567
- Well I got a different opinion on

3243
02:34:37,567 --> 02:34:38,567
- That.

3244
02:34:38,567 --> 02:34:40,266
Okay, so what it, what's the explanation for that? So

3245
02:34:40,500 --> 02:34:42,634
- Get to, sometimes you've got equipment on a site

3246
02:34:42,634 --> 02:34:44,266
that's noisy for a short period of time.

3247
02:34:44,900 --> 02:34:48,066
That could be over 80 decibels, a concrete truck,

3248
02:34:48,066 --> 02:34:51,033
something else could come in that says that we, we need this

3249
02:34:51,767 --> 02:34:55,100
stuff done for 15 minutes for a short period of time.

3250
02:34:55,166 --> 02:34:56,467
That seems reasonable to me.

3251
02:34:56,467 --> 02:34:58,266
This was drawn from the state statutes.

3252
02:34:58,266 --> 02:34:59,700
Again, this exception is,

3253
02:34:59,867 --> 02:35:02,000
is written into the Colorado state law

3254
02:35:02,233 --> 02:35:04,033
and that that's just where it came from.

3255
02:35:04,066 --> 02:35:06,367
Okay. But Rich is correct. There's, there are.

3256
02:35:06,867 --> 02:35:09,300
- So that's kind of common practice that language

3257
02:35:09,533 --> 02:35:11,367
- That that's a que that's

3258
02:35:12,033 --> 02:35:13,333
- Question, that's very question for Derek.

3259
02:35:13,500 --> 02:35:14,567
Is that common practice?

3260
02:35:14,567 --> 02:35:17,066
The 15 minutes every hour come to the podium please.

3261
02:35:18,500 --> 02:35:20,133
- Yeah, it's a lot like the barking dog.

3262
02:35:21,900 --> 02:35:23,834
You know, you can tolerate it for 15 minutes,

3263
02:35:23,900 --> 02:35:25,867
but if it goes longer than that then you,

3264
02:35:25,867 --> 02:35:27,500
you make the phone call the animal control

3265
02:35:27,500 --> 02:35:31,100
or you know, so this sound, if it escalates

3266
02:35:31,900 --> 02:35:34,567
for 15 minutes, it's considered tolerable longer than

3267
02:35:34,567 --> 02:35:36,133
that creates a problem.

3268
02:35:36,467 --> 02:35:38,834
- Okay. Then they have to wait for the next hour.

3269
02:35:38,934 --> 02:35:40,767
So the next question is for you too, Derek.

3270
02:35:41,166 --> 02:35:45,266
This is about the posting of their, the plan

3271
02:35:45,266 --> 02:35:47,066
that they've submitted to you, the schedule

3272
02:35:47,266 --> 02:35:49,867
and then you've told them to post it on their fence.

3273
02:35:50,634 --> 02:35:55,500
So it needs to be at least one square foot size paper

3274
02:35:55,500 --> 02:35:57,900
with lettering that is at least one inch in height

3275
02:35:59,133 --> 02:36:02,266
and it's gonna be posted at least 14 days prior to the use

3276
02:36:02,266 --> 02:36:03,333
of the driven piles.

3277
02:36:04,233 --> 02:36:06,433
And it's to be attached to the exterior fence

3278
02:36:06,467 --> 02:36:08,000
of the construction site.

3279
02:36:09,000 --> 02:36:12,834
So, and it and it says, and

3280
02:36:12,867 --> 02:36:15,233
or on the construction site notice board.

3281
02:36:15,467 --> 02:36:17,166
So does every construction site have,

3282
02:36:17,266 --> 02:36:21,166
like do they post their building permit or they is that

3283
02:36:22,500 --> 02:36:24,867
- I don't require people to post their building permit,

3284
02:36:25,033 --> 02:36:26,233
it just has to be on premises.

3285
02:36:26,634 --> 02:36:30,700
But typically that board is their advertising board

3286
02:36:30,767 --> 02:36:32,934
with the, the name of the project, the name

3287
02:36:32,934 --> 02:36:36,367
of the contractor, the name of the architect, phone numbers

3288
02:36:36,567 --> 02:36:37,900
and contact information.

3289
02:36:39,000 --> 02:36:43,467
- Sorry, do you require them to, to make a notice board

3290
02:36:43,467 --> 02:36:44,567
that has that information?

3291
02:36:45,934 --> 02:36:47,000
- So yeah, we will have, would you

3292
02:36:47,000 --> 02:36:48,000
- Issue a building permit?

3293
02:36:48,133 --> 02:36:49,700
- Absolutely. That will be attached to that.

3294
02:36:50,533 --> 02:36:52,367
Not to cover it up, but it can be right next

3295
02:36:52,367 --> 02:36:54,000
to it at, at that location.

3296
02:36:54,867 --> 02:36:57,066
It's the most conspicuous obvious location

3297
02:36:57,066 --> 02:36:58,934
where you would go to determine

3298
02:36:58,934 --> 02:37:00,333
what's going on at that site. Okay.

3299
02:37:00,934 --> 02:37:03,133
- And then do we need the part that says and

3300
02:37:03,233 --> 02:37:06,667
or attached to the exterior fence of the construction site?

3301
02:37:07,700 --> 02:37:11,900
- Yeah, - You know most construction sites will have a

3302
02:37:11,900 --> 02:37:13,934
fence around them as a barrier.

3303
02:37:14,300 --> 02:37:16,834
If the fence wasn't there, I would attach it

3304
02:37:16,834 --> 02:37:18,500
to the display sign.

3305
02:37:20,333 --> 02:37:25,033
- Okay. So can we, can we say that it'll be posted

3306
02:37:25,133 --> 02:37:29,533
where the building official says

3307
02:37:29,533 --> 02:37:33,634
to post it rather than, do you know what I mean? Yeah,

3308
02:37:33,700 --> 02:37:37,066
- It could be a conspicuous location obvious and clear

3309
02:37:37,000 --> 02:37:39,066
and visible to, to

3310
02:37:39,033 --> 02:37:42,033
- Everyone location as designated by the building official

3311
02:37:42,500 --> 02:37:45,233
such as on the yes in this language.

3312
02:37:45,433 --> 02:37:46,767
- The other thing we always ask them

3313
02:37:46,767 --> 02:37:48,033
to do is post an address too.

3314
02:37:49,066 --> 02:37:50,700
- Okay. Nina, are you getting on

3315
02:37:50,700 --> 02:37:51,700
- That?

3316
02:37:51,700 --> 02:37:51,867
The job site

3317
02:37:53,100 --> 02:37:55,433
- That Yeah, the cons microphone.

3318
02:37:55,634 --> 02:38:00,433
Yes, thank you. Sorry. The schedule prepared da da shall be

3319
02:38:00,433 --> 02:38:02,767
posted in a conspicuous location as determined

3320
02:38:02,767 --> 02:38:04,700
by the building official. Such as?

3321
02:38:04,700 --> 02:38:07,066
- Such as on. Yeah. Perfect. That's great. Okay, good.

3322
02:38:07,066 --> 02:38:09,867
Thank you. Okay, thank you. Thank you.

3323
02:38:11,734 --> 02:38:12,734
I think that's all the questions.

3324
02:38:12,734 --> 02:38:15,033
Let's hear from the public. Does anybody from the public

3325
02:38:15,467 --> 02:38:17,100
have comments to us

3326
02:38:17,133 --> 02:38:19,367
concerning construction noise regulations?

3327
02:38:22,266 --> 02:38:26,266
Okay, moving on to council discussion and deliberation.

3328
02:38:26,367 --> 02:38:28,133
I thought we already had some, but that's fine.

3329
02:38:29,100 --> 02:38:31,133
I have, you're good? Yeah. Okay Rich.

3330
02:38:32,166 --> 02:38:34,033
- I'm good. Now that we

3331
02:38:34,033 --> 02:38:35,467
understand it's Monday through Friday.

3332
02:38:38,033 --> 02:38:42,133
- Okay. My comment is I would like it to be Monday

3333
02:38:42,133 --> 02:38:46,266
through Friday, nine to five, not nine to six.

3334
02:38:47,133 --> 02:38:48,533
I understand that's gonna extend it,

3335
02:38:49,100 --> 02:38:51,033
but if you take weekends off

3336
02:38:51,367 --> 02:38:55,533
and the traditional, you know, work hours of nine to five,

3337
02:38:56,667 --> 02:38:58,100
maybe you're at your office,

3338
02:38:58,000 --> 02:39:02,300
you're not in your apartment next to the pile driving those

3339
02:39:02,333 --> 02:39:03,734
that I would request that change.

3340
02:39:03,767 --> 02:39:05,700
What do people think of that? Do you think

3341
02:39:05,700 --> 02:39:08,333
- That's so, so you still allowed

3342
02:39:08,500 --> 02:39:10,000
to have construction activity,

3343
02:39:10,133 --> 02:39:11,834
it just wouldn't be the 80 decibel.

3344
02:39:12,433 --> 02:39:17,333
- No, you just know pile driving can, can you only scroll

3345
02:39:17,467 --> 02:39:18,467
- To that?

3346
02:39:18,467 --> 02:39:20,266
So, we'll sorry Mary, I'm, I don't mean to interrupt.

3347
02:39:20,300 --> 02:39:22,100
I just thought it would be more productive if it's

3348
02:39:22,100 --> 02:39:23,100
- On Yeah.

3349
02:39:23,100 --> 02:39:24,567
1 71 C. Yes.

3350
02:39:24,867 --> 02:39:27,333
- So if we could just, - I'm suggesting the pile driving

3351
02:39:27,634 --> 02:39:30,567
can only occur nine to five

3352
02:39:31,634 --> 02:39:32,767
Monday through Friday.

3353
02:39:33,100 --> 02:39:36,266
Okay. Not on Saturdays, Sundays national holidays or

3354
02:39:36,266 --> 02:39:39,066
after 5:00 PM or before 9:00 AM Okay.

3355
02:39:39,367 --> 02:39:41,734
In the week. Alright term.

3356
02:39:41,834 --> 02:39:45,233
Does that seem reasonable for people's happiness? Okay.

3357
02:39:46,367 --> 02:39:48,333
I think that's the only change I ended up having

3358
02:39:49,066 --> 02:39:50,333
with the other one in B.

3359
02:39:51,367 --> 02:39:55,033
Okay. So that's good.

3360
02:39:55,233 --> 02:39:56,567
So with those changes,

3361
02:39:57,233 --> 02:40:00,934
I think there's a motion on page 1 65

3362
02:40:01,767 --> 02:40:03,000
that be able see those changes.

3363
02:40:03,033 --> 02:40:05,000
That second reading in a red line form.

3364
02:40:08,500 --> 02:40:10,133
- I move to approve first reading

3365
02:40:10,166 --> 02:40:14,333
of ordinance 26 dash oh six for repealing chapter 8.44

3366
02:40:14,333 --> 02:40:16,767
of the Avon municipal code regarding indoor

3367
02:40:17,300 --> 02:40:18,567
face covering requirements

3368
02:40:18,567 --> 02:40:21,266
and replacing it with construction noise regulations.

3369
02:40:21,934 --> 02:40:26,834
- Second. - All those in favor please say aye. Aye.

3370
02:40:26,934 --> 02:40:28,100
Aye. Those opposed? Please say nay.

3371
02:40:29,133 --> 02:40:32,033
Okay, that passes six to zero. Great.

3372
02:40:32,000 --> 02:40:35,133
Thank you Derek and Matt on getting us somewhere.

3373
02:40:35,300 --> 02:40:36,467
It's been a long time coming

3374
02:40:36,567 --> 02:40:39,500
but I think we're getting it to a good place finally.

3375
02:40:39,834 --> 02:40:44,133
So that's great. Okay, we're on to item 6.6, which was added

3376
02:40:45,000 --> 02:40:48,767
was formerly section item five point 10.

3377
02:40:49,634 --> 02:40:51,066
This is the notice of award

3378
02:40:51,100 --> 02:40:53,634
for heat recovery system expansion.

3379
02:40:53,834 --> 02:40:57,000
We have director of engineering Eva Wilson.

3380
02:40:57,333 --> 02:40:58,734
Thanks for staying Eva.

3381
02:41:05,000 --> 02:41:06,767
So in our packet, I'm ready. Question?

3382
02:41:07,066 --> 02:41:09,033
Yeah, let, let's go the packets.

3383
02:41:09,433 --> 02:41:13,266
This is pages 70 and 71 of the packet.

3384
02:41:16,100 --> 02:41:16,266
- Wait,

3385
02:41:21,934 --> 02:41:22,934
- Go ahead Eva.

3386
02:41:24,000 --> 02:41:25,266
- I thought I was up here for q

3387
02:41:25,266 --> 02:41:26,266
- And a questions?

3388
02:41:26,433 --> 02:41:28,834
Yes. Okay. Sorry. You're right.

3389
02:41:29,266 --> 02:41:30,867
Ruthie, you had a question? Yeah,

3390
02:41:31,066 --> 02:41:35,700
- My only question is why are we paying for this design

3391
02:41:36,467 --> 02:41:38,033
and if we are,

3392
02:41:40,066 --> 02:41:43,033
are we gonna charge utility costs or how is this working?

3393
02:41:44,367 --> 02:41:45,934
- So I'll take that one.

3394
02:41:46,100 --> 02:41:49,367
So we're, we've been working on design of it

3395
02:41:49,367 --> 02:41:51,033
because it's our system and

3396
02:41:51,033 --> 02:41:53,233
because console has said that they wanted to expand it

3397
02:41:53,734 --> 02:41:56,834
and so we've been learning on what its current capacity is

3398
02:41:57,000 --> 02:41:59,066
and then what its expansion potential is.

3399
02:41:59,934 --> 02:42:02,367
So we get a, a initial report on it

3400
02:42:02,433 --> 02:42:05,066
and the next step is really just a put together the

3401
02:42:05,066 --> 02:42:06,033
design for expansion.

3402
02:42:06,500 --> 02:42:10,066
That expansion is not just for lot B

3403
02:42:10,667 --> 02:42:15,567
or lot three, it would also be able to serve portions

3404
02:42:15,567 --> 02:42:18,033
of the Sun Road area to the north side.

3405
02:42:18,567 --> 02:42:23,000
Now in working with lot B in the development agreement,

3406
02:42:23,867 --> 02:42:26,734
what we put together, because remember there was a lot

3407
02:42:26,734 --> 02:42:28,133
of moving parts and pieces that

3408
02:42:29,367 --> 02:42:33,000
you doubled the mitigation requirements on the exterior

3409
02:42:33,000 --> 02:42:35,333
energy offset from 50% to a hundred percent.

3410
02:42:35,834 --> 02:42:37,934
And that created a very powerful financial

3411
02:42:37,934 --> 02:42:39,066
incentive for them to look at.

3412
02:42:39,266 --> 02:42:43,767
And then we also said we wanted to promote the heat recovery

3413
02:42:44,333 --> 02:42:49,066
and that's really more, it's got a geographic location of

3414
02:42:49,066 --> 02:42:50,266
where it can really get to.

3415
02:42:50,266 --> 02:42:51,700
And this LA P was one of them.

3416
02:42:52,133 --> 02:42:55,233
So in those discussions they said we will pay

3417
02:42:55,233 --> 02:42:59,300
for the engineering of what we want that line

3418
02:43:00,100 --> 02:43:01,266
extension to look like.

3419
02:43:01,867 --> 02:43:04,333
And then they pay for the actual line extension

3420
02:43:04,433 --> 02:43:06,567
and pay for going through their property.

3421
02:43:07,233 --> 02:43:10,533
- So will we be designing, oh, excuse me, from here

3422
02:43:11,100 --> 02:43:12,834
- To Sun Road or just here to be

3423
02:43:13,100 --> 02:43:15,300
- Yeah, from the, the rec center to Sun Road.

3424
02:43:15,667 --> 02:43:19,033
Okay. And then the other part of your question is, yes,

3425
02:43:19,133 --> 02:43:23,834
we are working on a heat recovery utility where we would

3426
02:43:24,266 --> 02:43:26,834
put in like almost the equivalent of water tap

3427
02:43:27,100 --> 02:43:30,133
and then we would measure how much of this heated water

3428
02:43:30,266 --> 02:43:32,033
that we pay money for to create

3429
02:43:32,567 --> 02:43:34,000
how much of that they're pulling off.

3430
02:43:34,066 --> 02:43:36,033
And then we would charge 'em a monthly bill.

3431
02:43:36,033 --> 02:43:39,634
And so we're in the process of figuring out those policies

3432
02:43:39,867 --> 02:43:41,033
and if there's code amendments

3433
02:43:41,033 --> 02:43:42,367
and what that pricing looks like.

3434
02:43:43,867 --> 02:43:47,900
- Thank - You Riva, qu Reba.

3435
02:43:49,100 --> 02:43:50,133
Eva, thank you for being here.

3436
02:43:51,634 --> 02:43:54,734
- Easy one. Great job. - Okay, great.

3437
02:43:55,266 --> 02:43:58,667
- Oh, do I need to approve the motion, Val?

3438
02:43:59,166 --> 02:44:01,500
- Yes we do. Well done. Yes, Gary.

3439
02:44:02,000 --> 02:44:04,033
- Oh, Gary. Okay. I'm always

3440
02:44:04,100 --> 02:44:05,567
- Isn't that he's no longer a rookie

3441
02:44:05,567 --> 02:44:07,066
people I move to approve.

3442
02:44:09,133 --> 02:44:11,133
- I'm having a lucid moment, so let me have,

3443
02:44:11,233 --> 02:44:12,233
- Let enjoy it.

3444
02:44:14,033 --> 02:44:16,767
- I move to approve the notice of award for the design

3445
02:44:16,767 --> 02:44:18,867
of the heat recovery system expansion

3446
02:44:18,867 --> 02:44:23,433
to CDM Smith in the amount of $99,817.

3447
02:44:24,500 --> 02:44:27,100
- I second. - Thank you Gary and Ruthie.

3448
02:44:27,133 --> 02:44:29,033
All those in favor? May I have one question? Oh

3449
02:44:29,033 --> 02:44:30,033
- Yes.

3450
02:44:30,033 --> 02:44:33,567
Okay. That motion, the total project cost is 1 0 9 7 9 9.

3451
02:44:33,567 --> 02:44:35,367
So we're not gonna approve the contingency,

3452
02:44:35,367 --> 02:44:36,867
we'll come back with the contingency

3453
02:44:36,867 --> 02:44:37,867
- Amount.

3454
02:44:38,266 --> 02:44:40,066
I'm gonna say tonight you can't go wrong

3455
02:44:40,066 --> 02:44:43,100
because we're gonna be bringing to you budget amendments

3456
02:44:43,100 --> 02:44:44,300
where we're gonna square up

3457
02:44:44,467 --> 02:44:45,667
all the things we've been spending.

3458
02:44:46,133 --> 02:44:47,166
So if we go this year, we'll have

3459
02:44:47,166 --> 02:44:48,166
- Another bite at that.

3460
02:44:48,266 --> 02:44:52,033
- Well, yes. Okay, we'll we will not go over 99,000

3461
02:44:52,033 --> 02:44:54,166
before we're back with a budget amendment. Okay.

3462
02:44:54,166 --> 02:44:55,166
- Sorry about the interruption.

3463
02:44:55,266 --> 02:44:57,066
- That's quite all right. Not an interruption

3464
02:44:57,500 --> 02:45:00,166
- Or as amended to the contingency amount.

3465
02:45:01,567 --> 02:45:04,533
- Eva? Yeah, why don't you explain why you didn't ask

3466
02:45:04,533 --> 02:45:07,066
for the 1 0 9 7 99? Yeah,

3467
02:45:07,000 --> 02:45:08,000
- Let me clarify.

3468
02:45:08,000 --> 02:45:10,133
This is the notice of award to the contract

3469
02:45:10,266 --> 02:45:14,634
to the consultant and budget wise we're gonna work with Paul

3470
02:45:14,700 --> 02:45:18,166
and add of 10% contingency in case we need it.

3471
02:45:18,700 --> 02:45:21,066
So this is a notice of award for the contract, find

3472
02:45:21,133 --> 02:45:23,066
- Contract amount. Okay. Okay.

3473
02:45:23,166 --> 02:45:25,166
- So motion stands? - The motion stands.

3474
02:45:25,300 --> 02:45:28,266
All those in favor of the motion as stated, please say aye.

3475
02:45:28,634 --> 02:45:31,133
Aye. Aye. Aye. Those opposed please say nay.

3476
02:45:31,867 --> 02:45:34,066
That also passes six to zero.

3477
02:45:36,533 --> 02:45:40,166
We are onto item nine. Oh no we're not. We are.

3478
02:45:40,166 --> 02:45:42,266
There's the written reports and then we have mayor

3479
02:45:42,266 --> 02:45:44,100
and council comments and meeting updates.

3480
02:45:44,533 --> 02:45:46,100
I'm sure people have things to say.

3481
02:45:46,500 --> 02:45:48,166
I again wanted to congratulate Lindsay

3482
02:45:48,300 --> 02:45:51,133
and Caleb on the birth of their daughter Brooklyn,

3483
02:45:54,934 --> 02:45:57,033
while Ruthie pulls her up.

3484
02:45:57,133 --> 02:46:02,000
I'm gonna ask Eric or, and Matt, you're here.

3485
02:46:03,367 --> 02:46:06,834
Could you ask Patty Lehrman to

3486
02:46:07,333 --> 02:46:10,033
watch the public input from Steph McBride?

3487
02:46:10,734 --> 02:46:14,066
She had those questions about HOA contributions

3488
02:46:14,100 --> 02:46:16,367
and I think it was in Mikasa and good deeds.

3489
02:46:17,033 --> 02:46:19,867
And if somebody could reach out to Steph McBride

3490
02:46:19,867 --> 02:46:21,133
and answer her questions about

3491
02:46:22,567 --> 02:46:25,033
what she had a public comment, that would be great.

3492
02:46:26,066 --> 02:46:27,000
Okay, Ruthie.

3493
02:46:28,467 --> 02:46:30,000
- So I wanna remind everyone

3494
02:46:30,000 --> 02:46:32,300
that we have Avon live tomorrow night.

3495
02:46:33,333 --> 02:46:36,033
It's featuring the Rumble

3496
02:46:37,033 --> 02:46:39,734
featuring Chief Joseph Boudreaux Jr.

3497
02:46:39,867 --> 02:46:43,100
From New Orleans. So that should be a treat.

3498
02:46:43,266 --> 02:46:47,367
And then Sunset Live is also on Sunday, August 2nd,

3499
02:46:47,667 --> 02:46:49,066
featuring Cory Montgomery.

3500
02:46:49,367 --> 02:46:50,367
That's all I've got.

3501
02:46:54,734 --> 02:46:57,233
- And I would like to remind everyone

3502
02:46:57,266 --> 02:47:00,734
that dancing in the Parch is on Thursday,

3503
02:47:00,900 --> 02:47:04,100
August 6th at 5:30 PM m

3504
02:47:07,700 --> 02:47:11,066
- And I would like to just let everybody know

3505
02:47:11,100 --> 02:47:13,533
that I think we circulated the memo from the Water

3506
02:47:13,533 --> 02:47:14,634
and Sand District staff,

3507
02:47:14,834 --> 02:47:16,033
but we've had a,

3508
02:47:16,000 --> 02:47:18,300
a pretty major reduction in water use in the Valley

3509
02:47:19,000 --> 02:47:22,634
based on all the feedback and,

3510
02:47:22,867 --> 02:47:24,000
and marketing

3511
02:47:24,133 --> 02:47:28,000
and awareness of the current drought conditions.

3512
02:47:28,700 --> 02:47:33,634
And so we've got a 24% reduction in overall water usage

3513
02:47:34,066 --> 02:47:35,634
versus a three year rolling average

3514
02:47:35,734 --> 02:47:39,734
and a 41% reduction in exterior outdoor use

3515
02:47:41,333 --> 02:47:43,100
compared to the same three year rolling average.

3516
02:47:43,233 --> 02:47:47,834
So who ready for us? And a lot of that it's broken down.

3517
02:47:48,133 --> 02:47:50,634
The report that they have that we circulated around,

3518
02:47:50,767 --> 02:47:52,333
I think is broken down by neighborhood.

3519
02:47:52,433 --> 02:47:55,367
So it's pretty clear to see that it's across the board,

3520
02:47:55,533 --> 02:47:58,834
it's excessive water users, it's it's top to bottom

3521
02:47:59,567 --> 02:48:00,634
in the service area.

3522
02:48:01,266 --> 02:48:04,934
So it's doing a, doing a a, a really good job.

3523
02:48:05,100 --> 02:48:08,000
And plus, you know, we also have additional issues related

3524
02:48:08,100 --> 02:48:11,000
to fishing closures, which I would just like

3525
02:48:11,000 --> 02:48:12,000
to throw back out again.

3526
02:48:12,066 --> 02:48:15,133
It's Eagle River is voluntary fishing closure issued

3527
02:48:15,166 --> 02:48:18,467
by CPW from Lake Creek down to the Confluence

3528
02:48:18,567 --> 02:48:22,367
with the Colorado and on the Colorado River from Red Dirt

3529
02:48:22,433 --> 02:48:27,266
Creek down to I think rifle goes all the way to Rifle.

3530
02:48:28,100 --> 02:48:30,567
And so those are voluntary restrictions

3531
02:48:30,700 --> 02:48:33,066
and every time I drive down to Eagle for a meeting

3532
02:48:33,100 --> 02:48:35,934
or for something else, I go down the old highway

3533
02:48:36,066 --> 02:48:37,033
to see if there's anybody fishing.

3534
02:48:37,033 --> 02:48:39,033
And if they are, I'll stop and talk to 'em,

3535
02:48:39,467 --> 02:48:42,000
but I haven't found anybody fishing yet.

3536
02:48:42,000 --> 02:48:46,033
So it's great. Good job everybody, including fishing guides

3537
02:48:46,834 --> 02:48:48,767
for keeping people off the river and

3538
02:48:48,867 --> 02:48:50,100
and protecting the resource.

3539
02:48:51,533 --> 02:48:54,266
Other than that, I attended the QQ

3540
02:48:54,867 --> 02:48:58,266
Northwest Cox QQ meeting on the 16th and,

3541
02:48:59,033 --> 02:49:01,066
and they are in the process

3542
02:49:01,033 --> 02:49:04,734
of updating the 2 0 8 water quality plan.

3543
02:49:05,567 --> 02:49:09,066
I, I pinged Eva to see if we were currently,

3544
02:49:09,333 --> 02:49:12,634
if we had adopted the 2 0 8 plan, which is this regulatory

3545
02:49:13,166 --> 02:49:17,000
framework for water quality within given communities,

3546
02:49:17,367 --> 02:49:20,300
Northwest Cog likes for everybody to adopt that.

3547
02:49:20,433 --> 02:49:21,567
And so they're updating it.

3548
02:49:22,266 --> 02:49:25,233
Ashley Bibe is updating the 2 0 8 plan

3549
02:49:25,433 --> 02:49:27,767
and we'll be seeing a new one come through and,

3550
02:49:27,867 --> 02:49:30,700
and I've asked that Eva and,

3551
02:49:32,000 --> 02:49:34,000
and that Matt, we can bring this through

3552
02:49:34,100 --> 02:49:36,033
and have it adopted by the town again

3553
02:49:36,100 --> 02:49:37,767
and update the updated version of it.

3554
02:49:37,900 --> 02:49:40,066
So that's, that's a good thing.

3555
02:49:40,066 --> 02:49:43,133
And then Northwest Cox producing a lot of interesting

3556
02:49:44,433 --> 02:49:47,300
reports right now they have a statistical analysis

3557
02:49:47,367 --> 02:49:48,700
for resort communities.

3558
02:49:48,700 --> 02:49:51,133
That's for all the, all the counties

3559
02:49:51,266 --> 02:49:54,033
that are within the NW Cog sphere

3560
02:49:54,700 --> 02:49:57,767
and that's a pretty interesting report

3561
02:49:58,000 --> 02:50:00,734
and I've reached out to Anika

3562
02:50:00,734 --> 02:50:03,767
to see if we can get John Stab in here to do a presentation.

3563
02:50:03,900 --> 02:50:05,100
He gave a presentation,

3564
02:50:05,100 --> 02:50:09,000
well he's doing one tonight I think at Frisco for this,

3565
02:50:09,567 --> 02:50:13,533
for this report that their Northwest COG has, has produced,

3566
02:50:13,834 --> 02:50:16,066
I think it was funded partially by a Dolo Graham.

3567
02:50:16,433 --> 02:50:19,567
And so anyway, he's willing to come by

3568
02:50:19,700 --> 02:50:23,100
and do a presentation maybe at one of our August meetings.

3569
02:50:23,567 --> 02:50:25,066
And so that would be a great one.

3570
02:50:25,066 --> 02:50:27,500
And there's a couple of other reports that he's been

3571
02:50:28,133 --> 02:50:30,000
that are sort of in draft mode

3572
02:50:30,100 --> 02:50:33,133
and so we're working on that as part of Northwest Cog.

3573
02:50:33,867 --> 02:50:38,266
We have a Northwest cog retreat over in Basalt on the fifth

3574
02:50:38,333 --> 02:50:40,100
and sixth, which I'll be attending.

3575
02:50:40,734 --> 02:50:45,233
And Annika helped set up getting me booked into a hotel

3576
02:50:45,467 --> 02:50:48,000
that's a tax exempt status over there, so,

3577
02:50:49,166 --> 02:50:52,000
so I'll be staying over there for a a two day retreat

3578
02:50:52,100 --> 02:50:55,767
for NW Cog and big agenda eight pages.

3579
02:50:56,000 --> 02:50:57,000
So

3580
02:50:58,500 --> 02:50:59,500
- That is big.

3581
02:50:59,500 --> 02:51:01,834
Thanks for attending to that. Sure. Great. Yep.

3582
02:51:03,467 --> 02:51:04,700
Anything else? No. Okay.

3583
02:51:04,934 --> 02:51:06,066
I will now entertain a motion

3584
02:51:06,100 --> 02:51:08,500
to retire into executive session for the purpose

3585
02:51:08,500 --> 02:51:11,367
of receiving legal advice from the Avon Town attorney on

3586
02:51:11,634 --> 02:51:13,734
specific legal questions pursuant

3587
02:51:13,734 --> 02:51:16,734
to CRS 24 6 4 0 2 4 B

3588
02:51:17,133 --> 02:51:20,367
regarding private parking lot regulatory authority.

3589
02:51:20,700 --> 02:51:23,834
Do I hear such a motion? So be it.

3590
02:51:25,000 --> 02:51:28,000
- Second. - Thank you Ruthie and Gary.

3591
02:51:28,900 --> 02:51:31,533
Those in favor please say aye. A Aye. Aye.

3592
02:51:31,533 --> 02:51:32,834
Those opposed, please say nay.

3593
02:51:33,300 --> 02:51:35,133
That motion passes six to zero.

3594
02:51:35,533 --> 02:51:37,033
I will add for the public's information

3595
02:51:37,033 --> 02:51:39,333
and that of our partners at High five Access Media,

3596
02:51:39,367 --> 02:51:41,533
which is streaming and recording for us right now,

3597
02:51:42,100 --> 02:51:44,333
that no decisions will be made in executive session.

3598
02:51:45,000 --> 02:51:47,734
And I expect that after our executive session is concluded,

3599
02:51:47,734 --> 02:51:49,767
we will reenter regular session upstairs,

3600
02:51:50,033 --> 02:51:51,033
adjourned from there

3601
02:51:51,100 --> 02:51:53,000
and not return to these chambers tonight.

3602
02:51:53,700 --> 02:51:56,133
The time is now 7:52 PM

3603
02:51:56,734 --> 02:51:58,634
and this portion of the meeting is concluded.

3604
02:51:58,634 --> 02:52:00,066
Thank you everybody. You.