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right, we'll go ahead and call the work
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and start with the discussion on the
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You want to start off?
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» Yeah. Um, I'll I'll introduce a little
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or share what information he has. Um,
Mr. Hodson from the election board came

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to uh previous one of your council
meetings, spoken out of public comment,

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made you guys aware there was a law
change uh in last year's legislative

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session uh to allow municipalities if
they chose to to change their elections

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from off years, which in off years we
have to pay for our elections when

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they're not on a presidential year or
they're not on an even year. So you are

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given the option of choosing to do that.
Now, there are some implications from

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doing that. You do have a memo from the
town attorney. Dan may want to share

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some as well, but you guys do have to
pass an ordinance. You have to do it by

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the end of the year. Um, you have the
option of giving people one-year terms

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or three-year terms if you choose to try
to get them to an even year election.

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Just as a reminder, the way our election
cycle is set up is we already have the

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three wards on even years. So it's the
two at large and the clerk treasurer are

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the positions that are currently
municipal elections in odd years

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and so with that Don is that good you
want to take from there share your

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information but I've got some other
information to share with you too but we

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can kind of start there

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and the money is just
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Um and so president I did provide some
information sheets. I think you kind of

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but like you said three more seats are
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I did is I mentioned the 2022 election
in the primary election you had 819

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votes cast for each of those offices
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559
because you had tested too

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and cost for the town for election
because the reason

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county election every two years federal,
state, township, local school board

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instead of how
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done in municipal year after the midterm
and so 2023 is when the large race were

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elected along with clas. Uh what I've
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224 votes uh cast for the primary and
for each of those offices and then 849

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cast each office in the general election
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and so I the number of those primary
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cost through those tax for the general
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So that came out to $181
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altogether for that year was $22,91.31.

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The way the the costs passed on, what
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total amount of the cost that's paid out
to hire pole workers, pay for locations,

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um
different

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to
etc. take that total cost and then by

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state statute they invoice it based on a
ratio that's you know on the number of

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notes that's cast in each house. So the
only town that doesn't hold a hot year

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so everybody else and sharing in that
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if you wanted to change the process okay
first of all the

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changing to the even you don't have to
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that we'll get a bill for those three

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over here
second have a higher turnout. If you go

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back when we look total number of voters
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primary wise in 2022 we had basically
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compared to 23 and then for the general
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amount of people that voted in 23
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he wanted to change it um basically
board one, two, and three alone. And you

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can have a quick and long
one year or threeear terms after four

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years out. Now, you want to continue to
stagger terms, you have to do one year.

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So those two at large,
you go for a one year term. After that,

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you would go for
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one year or three year.
I know the ratings probably three year

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stand
one year and have to learn everything.

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and so they
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so I've given you the year of meeting
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need to be done by the end of year the
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you have
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some extra time
together right now. I told you Dan

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already

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had that on their on their council
agenda next Tuesday

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has it on their agenda

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where the meeting is on their
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Those are the ones they contacted. I
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allies
receiving a resolution.

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questions.
I have a quick one if they don't mind.

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Um
it only makes sense if every

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municipality does it in the county. So,
is every municipality going to change?

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» I don't know yet. Keep in mind, those
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election.
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» So, if you go from I don't
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those two
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Now the referendum at Avon schools last
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Avon school build $56,000.
Now people they have they have five

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points because we have what call
the state says if we have that we have

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to have a voting site election for every
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we had to have
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it a fixed cost to our town or is it a
general cost divided by the number of

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and then for you know location that kind
of stuff. So then the cost and the depth

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during the maluction would only be
whatever counts are effect.

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to be appropriated type thing and it
breaks it down basically how many voters

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the voters in the town and the township
duplication they're separate

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» I think well u in 2022 the primary
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registered voters in

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the general election there was 15,2327
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and then in 23 primary there was 15,47
register voters in

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general 15

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» so if everybody doesn't do
your shrink, your pole worker strength,

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all of them are shrink
where they're at

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because the law says

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» So you're promoting this just to save us
$6,716272,000

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2015,000
but it varies.

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» That's what it
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let's say you
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run those two elections
will be the same vote because they'll

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have five points in the township.

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Those are all dictated by law.

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One thing that I was talking to Ryan
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this was difficult to mention was um how
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and how we have gone to our legislators
even and asked that they be more

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transparent and that they be on too. So
I don't I mean to me kind of if we're

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asking for that then I think we should
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» has WCC
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» no that's why it's going through the
legislator legisl We're going to have to

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make that change.

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But you know
again maybe like 224

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votes that's not a very big percentage
of the people in our town that are

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making decisions on their elected
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People just don't show up for that.
This basically affects me, Jason,

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and Robert.
So, what do you

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I think that financially it's a good
decision to switch it. Um, I also agree

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that it would be nice to have more voter
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It's not going to be very much fun for
us to have to improve on in a year.

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I am humbled enough to know that I'm not
so staring and awesome that I was the

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one who who just walked out and won in a
municipal year. There's an advantage to

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having only 224 people turn out for an
election. It allows someone to actually

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go talk to residents. Something that I
can look at the four of you, you've not

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done in a general election. You just
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You're a Republican. You put your name
on the ballot, you win.

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This is nothing more than a ploy by the
Republican party to ensure that no

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Democrat will win again in this county.
You had a Democrat win here and then you

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had a Democrat win in Brownsburg. And
now all of a sudden this this law was

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changed three years ago, not last year.
We had it on art. We discussed it three

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years ago because it changed.
Why is it now being brought forward? I

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hear you. Saving 6,000 bucks.
But something Don Hodson

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continues to say is it could go up, but
he's not saying if there's only two of

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us, two communities running an election
in that year, guess what the cost of?

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It's going to go down. does not share
that because the intention here is not

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just to save money. It's to ensure that
voters don't really have a say in what's

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going on in their community. that the
Republican party gets to pick.

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» Dan, do you know the law?

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» I believe it was passed last year.
Um I yeah I made sure that I did reach

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out to AIM as well just being that that
they're kind of our lobbying body and

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just had a conversation with them. I
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AIM uh communications especially during
the legislative sessions they sent some

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of these things out. uh when the bill
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so I I reached out to AIM because I
thought that was interesting to at least

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be able to share their perspective with
you guys on why they they weren't

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against it. I asked if they had like a
one pager or something that they could

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share with people and they didn't. Um
but they did share that they said, you

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know, generally municipal elections are
more nonpartisan and that uh

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presidential elections are more
partisan. And so when you have those

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municipal which are typically local
issues which is why fewer people tend to

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vote they are local issues but the value
of those voters those are people who are

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familiar with local issues and those are
the people that are voting so that

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there's maybe that you're not getting as
many votes but those voters are more

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valuable because they are people who are
up on what the local municipal issues

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are. Uh they also said that when it's on
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which is why it's still in a in a
midterm, the other elections in a

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midterm is when it's on the presidential
ballot, it's so far down the ballot that

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no one even pays attention in the
municipal elections. There's all these

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elections and so down at the very bottom
is going to be our two or three

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municipal elections, whatever they are.
So they said those tend to get buried on

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the ballots. uh they said their
experience was that both state parties

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have opposed moving the municipal
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because it did it did pass and it's a
law. So um at least somebody had to do

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it. Um the other issue is they said
typically then municipal issues are

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ignored because the issue on people how
people are voting is on the presidential

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election not actually on the municipal
election. So they offered those as just

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talking points on on why they don't
think you should change your municipal

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election to a presidential election
cycle again for whatever it's worth.

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Yeah. The bill the bill was uh the bill
to allow municipalities to change their

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offer election was changed in 2020.
Although I'll say um

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there I don't know why the bill changed.
I know that

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the election board came to us this year
and I don't recall it coming to us in

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the prior year. So that's just to say
Robert may not be about that but the

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bill was passed in 2020. I agree with
right about it. It's always been my

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understanding that the parties wanted to
be off year because they thought that,

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you know, the municipal elections were
going to get the attention they deserve.

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We were going to be able to talk about
municipal elections that that election

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should not be the same as the general
because it gets lost. And I think I

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agree with Brown. I think traditionally
that's what political operators would

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have told you in the past that that's
why the fact that municipalities pay for

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these election is not new that is not
you've always paid for your elections

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and so that part is not new this idea
that maybe municipalities don't want to

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pay them anymore pay for them anymore is
a new part and so the state legislature

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said well if you don't want to pay for
them then move it to the to the even you

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have to pay for it but I mean, I would
say that there was not, to my knowledge,

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a rush after July 1st of 2020. There was
not a rush of municipalities to get rid

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of their offer elections. Um, I know it
seems like there's movement here in

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county, but I don't see I don't see this
changing elsewhere. So you can you can

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do whatever you think is right. But I
think there is to the idea that um you

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know that you have the all fear exist so
that you can have so it could be your

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election. Now you have fewer
participants. Absolutely. You have fewer

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participants, but um it gives you an
opportunity to have an election about

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it.
I would say one other thing in my memo

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is whatever you decide
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not
12 years. So that is something

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legislation put in there. Obviously,
they don't want you going back and forth

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back and forth. They want you to stick
with something because it's a lot of

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administrative part in order to make
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a 12 year at least period where you get
that they don't let you go back and

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forth come up with 12 years.
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» It's three election cycles. We know that
it's three full election cycles, but I

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don't know. And we don't have you can
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but we don't do it this year. We have
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I would also add a did say that if you
guys wanted someone to attend that they

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could send someone to your meeting to to
give perspective. Um I know I' I've had

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a brief conversation. I think I had
heard Planefield wasn't doing it. Um AIM

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also shared that they had not they were
a little surprised when I reached out to

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them. They said they hadn't heard of
people actually changing their

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elections. So he he kind of asked me he
said well do they want to do it or what

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why are they discussing it and I just
said well it got brought up and so we

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were having a conversation a was a
little surprised to be having that

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discussion and certainly if this was
going on across the state having a

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discussion wanting to change I think we
we'd be hearing about it a lot more so I

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wanted to share that comment from them
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» Well I think we need to understand what
everybody else is doing because we share

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the cost with everybody else.
I I want to make sure we're clear about

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this, but if you look at number one in
my memo, you you only have an

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opportunity to do this once every four
years. You don't have opportunities to

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because the way the statute is worded it
says that you can you can adopt an

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ordinance in an even number of year
which is immediately preceding

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a municipal election on 2028. There is
no municipal election in 29.

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So you you you can only do this you can
do this this year 26 or you the next

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time you would be looking at it would be
2030 there is some information out there

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uh you know being communicated that you
can do this every two years that's wrong

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you look at statute I I'm quoting here
number one the country is not enough

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even number

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well in your particular situation, your
misalures, your next ones are 27 and 30.

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So you can't do it in 29 because you
don't have you don't have an election.

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You don't have election 28
a municipal election in that year coming

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up in 29. So So you have one shot the
way your current is structured, you have

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one shot every four years to do this.

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And I think that's what Don told you a
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that. There's some other information out
there that I think again maybe there are

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they have two off years and two odd
years. Maybe they in 27 and 29. Well,

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that would be true for them.

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So just one thing I was not
election.

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So be the three of us knew about the law
like to make everybody win. It's up to

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you guys what you want to do. But
anybody surprises where

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decided on their own go do it all said
you're getting a heck of a lot higher.

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Why didn't somebody tell us we can do
that? So that's the whole it's up to

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you. We're not We're not pushing

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any questions.

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» Thank you.

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So we'll move on to Avon logistics tip
five number two.

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» Um yes so as you guys are aware um
Chicago industrial has started their

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next building uh in Avon logistics with
it which is the

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613,000 foot building. Um they had
actually approached and so you have a

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nice colorful exhibit in here. It looks
like this. You guys see this? So, I'm

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going to refer to these roads that
they're showing by their colors. So,

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they actually approached earlier this
year the redevelopment commission about

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supporting the construction of the red
road. Um the town's position, especially

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when we're providing economic
development incentives are typically

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that if we're going to pay for
infrastructure, it should be

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infrastructure that benefits the public.
So the red road as they had originally

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proposed it was just going to be a
culde-sac which meant it was only

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basically going to serve the benefit of
building six. And so we had given

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feedback back to Chicago Industrial that
unless they eventually built a

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connection road to the back that we
weren't willing to pay for the cost of

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construction of that red road. So um
Chicago Industrial has since modified. I

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know this looks a little different than
what you guys had previously seen in

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some of their layouts. So, I had some
conversation with them about that. They

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are looking at starting building five
potentially next year. So, they would

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I'm going to call it maroon or mauve.
I'm not sure what color that purple

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maybe. The purple road they would then
potentially build next year. And then

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they have a third phase which would be
the middle of blue road which would

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essentially create a backage road along
the back of the entire industrial park

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which again would be beneficial to us.
You know we talk a lot about traffic. We

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talk about being able to dissipate
traffic and if people don't have to

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drive down to 100 south and get on 100
south to go two buildings down. That's

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good for us. So the these roads would
serve a value to us in the manner in

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which they're showing in this exhibit.
So that's the first thing. Uh the second

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issue then was I asked them if they
would be willing to provide costs for

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what they thought construction of those
roads were. So they did provide a tip

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bond infrastructure budget. So you'll
see it's about $9.5 million.

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Um
that has all the costs they expect for

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again it be phased. Uh so it would be
all three of those roads paid over time

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which is a little bit similar to what we
did with them. If you guys recall on um

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on the first two buildings we also did
what we call like a draw bond. So we'd

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have the council approved the nine and a
half million but they would only draw

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what they need for the first piece and
then they draw what they need for the

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second piece and then they draw what
they need for the third piece. So and

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again just to go back these are all
developer purchase bonds what we're

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proposing. We're not proposing town or
taxpayerbacked bonds. These are Chicago

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industrial would purchase the bonds and
then whatever tiff revenue we get would

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be used to pay them back for those bonds
for the infrastructure which is the

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model we've used as an economic
development incentive on on these other

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industrial projects as well.
The redevelopment commission when I

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talked to them about it last month were
were generally positive. they uh liked

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the layout better and I think it's more
consistent with what you guys at the

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council have shared. You want in terms
of economic development too which is

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variety in building types. It's not that
it's all million or 800,000 square foot

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buildings that there be some diversity
in the building size. Again the thought

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process is the bigger buildings lend
themselves to logistics and lower paying

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jobs whereas the smaller buildings
become more like manufacturing and that

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have higher paying jobs. the some of the
smaller buildings that they're

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proposing. I think the redevelopment
commission thought that that was

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favorable and that they liked that
layout. They did have some discussion

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about well what if we agreed to pay for
the roads and then they changed their

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mind and they just want to build new
buildings and they just showed us that

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because they thought we'd like it and so
we had a little bit of discussion about

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how the agreement is written to make
sure that you know they comply with

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that. I shared that concern with Chicago
Industrial as well. Chicago Industrial

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said, "Hey, this has been we've been
studying this and we've been talking

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about it. If you guys recall, Chicago
Industrial holds these properties. These

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are not for sale." And they have said
they want the diversity in their

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portfolio as well. They don't want it to
all be million square foot buildings as

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well. So, he didn't seem to have any
issues uh with that as well. And the

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next thing the redevelopment commission
asked was, well, will that building

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layout actually generate enough to to
support a $9.5 million bond? And so I

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did ask Greg Gar.
Oh, there he is. Sorry, Greg. So Greg

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asked them to do a quick revenue bond
analysis and see what it would generate

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in terms of tip revenue and if it can
actually support it. And not that all

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these other pages aren't important, but
if you work yourself all the way to the

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back,
I want to say it's page

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uh page seven. It's exhibit F.
It has a proposed layout which this is

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the same layout we did with them on the
first phase of the project. We asked

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them to forgive interest for the first
three years. And so you can see how the

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three different draws and the payments
would work out um and what that actually

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how it works out. And so uh it does
generate there the column is estimated

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tiff revenue would be $25 million and
then the debt service would end up about

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$12 million. So there is double the
coverage to be able to do it. And the

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analysis by FSG does include the
assumption that we would also give them

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the tax abatement.
And so again, if it's if it's something

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the town's willing to do, um the
redevelopment commission has not seen

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this analysis yet that I just got that.
So I'll share that with them next week.

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But I wanted to have a conversation with
the council and see what your guys

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thoughts were so that I could share
those back to the RDC and certainly

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Steve is a leazison of the RTC so he can
help me carry that message back to them

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as well. So, just wanted to get your
guys thoughts and input

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and Julie says that

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unless it was public,

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I mean, how do you see the public?
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an accident or there was something, the
public could use it. Now it does serve

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the industrial park as well and so yes
maybe it would provide a greater benefit

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to the industrial park but it doesn't
have no value if it doesn't connect to

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anything that has no value to the
public. So yes you may

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typically yes it does. So yeah, people
could walk there. There's other reasons

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that there'd be benefits and if there
was an accident and they needed to

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divert traffic back there, the public
could use it and drive on it versus the

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alternative is it ends up there's fences
between every building and there's no

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connectivity and so that connectivity
does provide some benefit as well. But

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good point D that would be the
alternative argument. It still does

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benefit. Would this be ours to maintain?
>> It would be. Yes. which if you guys on

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the other exhibit you can see that
there's already kind of an existing loop

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road that is a public street over by
those two buildings and the town does

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maintain those

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sense
I like the draws and phases

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it's developed by have we had our
engineer look at these numbers and make

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certain
they say accurate Right. But they're not

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buying this guy.
>> Not yet. But we can we we certainly as

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we get further in the process, we do
that. And I will say, you guys may

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recall on the first one, I think we did
a $5.5 million was what you guys

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approved. It actually came in at like
four 4.6 million or something. So, we

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only issue bonds at what the actual cost
is. And so, even if it's an estimate,

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we'll end up even if they're estimating
at nine and a half and it ends up at

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eight, we only do an $8 million bond.
and they have to prove their actual

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cost, not
>> but if we're doing it in basis and costs

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go up before we get to the session and
we might exceed the

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» but then they then they just have to pay
for whatever goes over and you that

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happened on Reagan logistics if you
remember their costs ended up going up

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and we said sorry we said we agreed to
do x amount of a bond or you just have

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to eat whatever goes over that amount.
That's what we don't have to do. We can

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choose to say, "Well, we'll give you $8
million towards incentives to pay for

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infrastruure." We don't have to full.
That's

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negotiable.
I I think it it would help on building

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this making work together. And then I
like the the commission did feel that

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they like the size of the building
smaller that this seemed to fit well. So

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that was one thing that was pretty
strong.

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» We all have smaller buildings. Not
everybody wants.

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» Well, they've changed their tune.
>> They have that be like two million

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square foot,
>> right?

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And Greg, that's exactly why I think the
redevelopment commission had the

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question that they asked because they
said, "Well, I thought they were saving

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the middle for a 2 million square foot
building. Are they just showing us

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something smaller because they think
that's what we want versus what they

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really intend to build?" So, I do again
that was a fair question by the RDC.

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Questions or comments?

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Which one's up first? Right.
Sustainability analysis. Let's show

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you it. And do they have it? They have
it, but Oh, they have it. If you don't

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have it, a physical copy with you. You
do have a copy in your email. Greg, they

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do have Oh, here. You need this, right?
Is this the sheet, the one sheet?

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they do have that Greg
is in their packets. Great. Um, I think

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Greg's gonna start on, and this is hot
off the press, so we haven't had a lot

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of time to analyze it, but in your
packet behind the sustainability

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analysis, the first spreadsheet you have
is

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looks like this.
Says assessed value on the top.

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And if you guys recall, the number one
thing that drives our entire budget is

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how our assessed value looks. And this
is a perfect discussion. I'm gonna lead

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Greg into what I wanted to talk about a
little bit, but you guys will recall

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that about five years ago, your guys
goal was that you wanted to move towards

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diversifying our tax base and getting
more economic development in that 3%

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range. Um, and so you can look on here.
This is something I started tracking.

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Actually, the county started splitting
up the 1% 2% 3% a few years ago. And so

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I started tracking it and I find it to
be fabulously interesting. Greg and I

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figured out on it earlier today, but um
if you look at our 3% assessed value

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growth, we had 11.78%.
And if you look at our tiff, we had 23%

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growth in our tiff as well. So those are
great things. But with that, I'll turn

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it over to Greg and let him share what
what he wants to share. And then that

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will kind of lead us into the
sustainability analysis. By the way,

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here thank you Ryan and I'm used to
standing so I might stand up here for a

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little bit. So this is the assessed
valuation on a preliminary basis for

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2027.
What is notable is I believe the county

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as a whole was just slightly around 1%.
Okay, so you're bucking the trend or

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higher than the trend. And keep in mind,
we've been lucky in any county and we've

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seen two or 3% growth because of the
supplemental deduction and those that

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are phasing in on the 1% property over
the five-year period. We're also looking

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at that the special deduction that was
given to the 2% property and that's

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trending down and personal property is
trending down. But here what we see on a

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preliminary basis is we've kind of
bucked that and basically we have some

426
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:13,680
growing AB in your sustainability. We
originally projected a negative 2%.

427
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:18,240
Because we projected that that would
really start kind of those supplemental

428
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:24,640
deductions would really start trending
you and that may be the way we go in the

429
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:33,440
future here. Just keep in mind those are
over five years. Okay? But the but the

430
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:39,280
still the gross AB of your home uh may
have gone up because major desiraability

431
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:45,119
factor and all of those things. So this
is not to be individualized.

432
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:49,680
This is all the classes of property at
the 2.54

433
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:55,520
together. This could be revised down
slightly once the state get it literally

434
00:40:53,359 --> 00:40:59,440
was this week that it was being put
together

435
00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:05,280
» yesterday.
We've seen personal property change

436
00:41:01,839 --> 00:41:11,280
because utility distributed property has
been refigured and sometimes checked out

437
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:17,520
a couple times. So So this is good news.
Okay. And I I want to start off on that

438
00:41:14,079 --> 00:41:22,640
is that is awesome news. Now I'm going
to go through the sustainability. But

439
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:28,400
before I do that, I want you to kind of
look at this page because this kind of

440
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:33,200
keys into the council meeting. and when
Ryan and I go through the fund totals,

441
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:38,480
but we've been doing a lot of work
behind the scenes. And I kind of want

442
00:41:35,359 --> 00:41:47,119
you to understand that when I make the
statement that I believe Avon is in good

443
00:41:42,319 --> 00:41:53,599
position to weather the 10,00ear storm
that I think I swam through yesterday in

444
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:59,119
in Rushville. Uh, you know, and and so,
you know, we're in a great position. Do

445
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:04,480
I mean that we should go out and spend
money like uh drunken sailors? No. I I

446
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:13,200
believe though we're in a very good
position as you know as SP1

447
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:17,760
1210, SP2, SP3, SP4, all of those when
they come, you know, we want to be in

448
00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:23,599
the best position. We want to be in the
best position you can be in 26 and 27.

449
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:29,599
And that's where we're at, I believe. So
what what did in order to put all these

450
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:35,280
opinions together of where our budget
ought to first of all we had the special

451
00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:41,040
lit distribution and you did very well
in that distribution you received um

452
00:42:38,319 --> 00:42:45,200
Julie got it back in I think the
document came out in May and I think you

453
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:50,880
deposited in June and and that was
additional edit that was additional uh

454
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:55,359
basically income taxes and I'll call
them lit because that's what we you call

455
00:42:52,800 --> 00:43:02,079
them all. Now u that went into the
general fund also.

456
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:08,240
Next we got uh news from then the state
that the growth quotient was released at

457
00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:14,880
6%. So the growth quotient never been
heard of never in my life have I seen a

458
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:19,280
6% growth quotion. Okay. I I was quite
surprised that there wasn't a memo that

459
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:25,359
came out later and said no it's going to
be four. If you remember it was capped

460
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:31,440
in the past at four and so do I believe
that it will be capped in the future? Uh

461
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:37,440
very much so. Okay. Now now they they
understood this 6% but also understand

462
00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:43,200
that when we get to the sustainability
we believe the realizable

463
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:52,000
revenue is more like between three and
4%. Why? Because with a 6% growth

464
00:43:47,839 --> 00:43:59,040
quotion and 2% AB growth, the tax rate
will grow and the tax rate will grow for

465
00:43:55,040 --> 00:44:04,400
everybody, county, you know, school,
township, and everything. So that'll

466
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:11,119
push up circuit breaker. So that means
our realizable revenue that comes into

467
00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:14,880
the bank account will be less. So
everybody might say, you know, when

468
00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:19,760
everybody ran around and said, "Oh, we
can give a 6% raise in salary was like

469
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:24,800
time out. You don't understand the
numbers." And now we've got a lot of

470
00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:30,800
communities saying we can't afford zero.
We have, I believe, been using 3%. Is

471
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:35,440
that correct? And that's generally what
I'm seeing around the state of Indiana.

472
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:40,160
Like I said, I've been all over with
mushrooms and everything else. The next

473
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:45,599
thing is then we put together this draft
sustainability. Okay. And worked real

474
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:52,240
hard on it and looked at the both the
income factors and the revenue on the

475
00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:59,359
expenses. Next then we got uh Julie's
closing of her 630. Remember this is an

476
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:05,280
18month budget, right? So when it shows
up in Gateway it's 18 months. It's the

477
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:12,640
last half of this year and it's all of
next year. Okay. 27. And so where she

478
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:18,560
stood as of June 30th gave us a real
good indication on if revenues were

479
00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:23,040
declining, if food and beverage was
increasing or holding its own, if storm

480
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:26,960
water was doing good. And those were all
putting kind of put into the

481
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:32,240
sustainability and kind of our next
version of the sustainability clear. And

482
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:38,560
those all indicated that everything was
going good. Okay. the 6:30. Next, then

483
00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:44,560
we sat and spent the entire day. We sat
down with the chief of police and kind

484
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:49,839
of went through his budget, went through
where we are on all the others, and then

485
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:54,880
we kind of formulated the opinion on
what we will present during the council

486
00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:59,760
meeting. And so, we spent looking at
again updated revenues, updated

487
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:05,599
expenses, and things like that. Next, we
got busy and we put together the capital

488
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:09,440
improvement plan. And Ryan, have you
given the council that? They've seen it

489
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:16,160
and reviewed it. Yes. Okay. Since that
was July 30th, then on July 31st,

490
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:22,319
we got the county level lift. What is
that? That means the amount of lift that

491
00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:28,880
is expected to be settled to all
jurisdictions within Hendricks County.

492
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:36,240
And that was up 7.5%.
So you could maybe yield five maybe six%

493
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:41,119
of that. Remember any any in communities
that had a higher levy since we're a

494
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:47,440
levybased system remember that we're
levy based not tax ratebased yet like

495
00:46:45,359 --> 00:46:53,359
representative Thompson says will be
happening in the future. So if someone

496
00:46:50,319 --> 00:46:58,000
Brownsburg increased their levy more
than you did because of annexation or

497
00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:03,040
whatever they would get more share.
Okay. So now where we are is we're at

498
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:08,240
August 13. We want to get your feedback
on the on the budget amounts and then

499
00:47:05,839 --> 00:47:13,040
what we're waiting on next week we
should get Ryan this is late breaking

500
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:21,040
news but we should get the
individualized Avon LIIT for 2027

501
00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:26,319
next week. So that'll really help us and
really kind of fit into your timeline. I

502
00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:32,480
have here somewhere for our budget
approval and how we move forward. So we

503
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:37,599
got a b a lot of information in gateway.
We've been working with Julian and Ryan

504
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:44,720
and we're we're going to be getting the
other funds in there too. So okay, any

505
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:53,760
questions on what we've been doing to
get to here? Okay. So now what I want to

506
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:58,079
do is also tell you that there is no
doubt in you know like I said when I was

507
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:06,000
kind of swimming back from Rushville
last night um I was like wow if you look

508
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:12,400
at the things that Avon has accomplished
and how we've gotten to what I call the

509
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:17,119
good position is that from several
things we many many years ago we we

510
00:48:15,359 --> 00:48:22,559
approved and implemented and the food
and beverage and I remember that and

511
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:27,520
remember going through all that and it
it was a hard kind of a you know

512
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:33,680
everybody's concerned with it going up
but that was the really paid dividends

513
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:41,040
and it shows up in in the sustainability
the wheel tax doing the wheel tax a year

514
00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:44,559
or two ago you know actually got it back
you know Brownsburg is trying to catch

515
00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:49,440
up with you they're trying to do it this
year now everybody's mattering heck

516
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:55,280
because of everything else. And so our
timing on the wheel tax couldn't have

517
00:48:51,440 --> 00:49:01,920
been better. And you saw Ryan, I'm sure,
told you the lane miles, the lane mile

518
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:08,079
revenue that we got in that will be our
new match for our new grant next year

519
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:12,640
and that's automatic because you have
the wheel tax and things like that.

520
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:19,280
Okay. So that's awesome. the fact that
we brought on, don't throw anything at

521
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:26,160
the we brought on Geo bonds very
strategically, not not a ton, but we

522
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:31,040
brought those on because guess what?
Those are going to be harder in the

523
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:36,720
future. There's no doubt about it. Okay?
And so, you know, bringing those on and

524
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:43,280
then bringing the storm water on just
again set the whole table. You know, I'd

525
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:48,800
like to say if we are Christmas dinner,
we got a nice table table set and we've

526
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:55,359
got a lot of things on the table to eat
from or to enjoy and that has gotten us

527
00:49:52,079 --> 00:50:00,640
to this point. Okay. So, those are key
things to kind of remember. So, when I I

528
00:49:58,319 --> 00:50:05,760
want to go to the recommendations and I
want to update number three where I

529
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:10,640
talked about the rainy day fund and Ryan
and I talked about this and we looked at

530
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:17,760
um we looked at it and what I'd like to
do is make the suggestion on the 300,000

531
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:22,480
that we actually split that 150 to the
insurance

532
00:50:19,359 --> 00:50:28,960
reserve front. We can't call it rainy.
There's only one rainy day in this

533
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:34,160
state. uh and then 150 to the rainy day
fund. That would bring up the rainy day

534
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:40,480
fund a little bit, bring up our self
insurance up a little bit and we'll be

535
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:46,559
then on on our way to the goal of $2
million that I set forth here. So, we're

536
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:50,640
hoping we can give it a nod from the
council and be able to head in that

537
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:59,119
direction and then a resolution would
probably be put together. Okay. So

538
00:50:55,280 --> 00:51:04,720
other things in there I think those are
I'm on the second page of any

539
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:10,559
recommendation. I guess I will pause
here for a second and say if anybody

540
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:15,040
read through these and have questions,
you know, address them at any time. I

541
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:21,040
can stop on a dime and get started on
the dime. So, um, any questions on some

542
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:25,559
of these recommendations or observations
that I think within the document?

543
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:42,319
different different thing. So that's
showing the proposed appropriation for

544
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:48,640
next year, not the transfer.
He's talking about the transfer and in

545
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:53,119
this is we appropriate
250 in case we have to spend. So that

546
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:57,119
would be if there was a tornado and we
need the money to spend from the rainy

547
00:51:54,640 --> 00:52:01,520
day. That's the 250 that he's showing.
But you'll notice on here for the uh

548
00:51:59,839 --> 00:52:05,920
insurance reserve fund, there's a
footnote that says we're not expecting

549
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:10,800
to spend any of that. So there's no
appropriation to the insurance reserve

550
00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:16,960
fund. So we're not
in my it's our my understanding we did

551
00:52:13,359 --> 00:52:19,119
do our our transfer this year
>> and this is what we're setting up for

552
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:22,000
next year.
>> Correct.

553
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:27,680
» So when do we want to get that $2
million goal?

554
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:36,240
Uh it would be nice before LIIT comes to
a theater near you.

555
00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:42,079
» Which is when uh 2028 2029 and 23rd.
Very clear, right? So there's a

556
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:48,480
implementation in 28, collection in 29
and and then maybe you receive it 30.

557
00:52:45,599 --> 00:52:53,359
But guess what? I expect every a lot of
things to change.

558
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:58,240
So, but that's because of the state
lagging part of that. They figured out

559
00:52:55,920 --> 00:53:03,359
there was going to be a lag from the
state of Indiana on tax returns and

560
00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:07,200
things like that. So, imagine that.
>> So, we'll move 150 at the end of this

561
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:11,280
year
from next year.

562
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:16,319
» It'll really be beginning of we'll have
you pass a resolution at the end of this

563
00:53:13,839 --> 00:53:22,559
year and then we will tell Julie to do
it before March 1st of next year. And

564
00:53:19,599 --> 00:53:25,559
then we always catch up with
you

565
00:53:27,359 --> 00:53:34,880
the other 300,000.
>> Yeah.

566
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:41,680
» Which we want to be careful and cautious
and you know and and keep the keep the

567
00:53:38,240 --> 00:53:45,920
ship head in the right direction.
Okay. Any other questions on any of

568
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:54,319
those? If not, I'm going to jump through
some of the uh specific information kind

569
00:53:50,480 --> 00:54:00,480
of in in the back and kind of talk about
is unless you've got some specific

570
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:04,720
questions on any of the actual funds
like the general fund, the addit or or

571
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:11,200
anything like that. If you've got
anything on the cash flow, now keep in

572
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:17,119
mind we will this this set our tone for
the numbers at the council meeting. like

573
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:22,800
I said within the and then once we get
those uh the details of those the

574
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:29,119
sustainability will be updated for those
and we got most of the general fund in

575
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:37,280
and Brian's been working on that.
questions on specific funds.

576
00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:42,559
If not, I'd like you to turn to page 79,
which is the circuit breaker. And this

577
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:51,040
is the one that that I've been talking
about. and the fact that we really were

578
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:58,000
quite lucky uh that the circuit breaker
on page 79 from 25 to 26 went down by

579
00:54:56,000 --> 00:55:08,240
91,000
even though the total went up u you know

580
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:15,200
with the tip in it our total loss was u
basically eliminated or the incremental

581
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:20,000
loss was very very left, right? So that
really helped. Now we believe that as

582
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:25,359
you can see in 2728
probably even given now where we are the

583
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:29,760
growth push came out a little later
we're we're going to have bigger circuit

584
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:35,599
breakers than these numbers. So, keep in
mind what that means is when we put

585
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:42,000
together a budget and we say we're going
to levy $3 million of general fund

586
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:47,440
property taxes, we'll only yield 3
million minus 625.

587
00:55:44,720 --> 00:55:54,880
So, we'd only get $2.5 million of real
cash. So, you know, that's how it works

588
00:55:51,760 --> 00:56:03,280
and how it meets the comes into the fund
balance. Questions on that?

589
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:10,640
not uh we also then put together the um
I want to point you to page 82. Now

590
00:56:06,559 --> 00:56:16,079
we've been uh we've been looking at Oh,
by the way, I probably should

591
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:23,119
mention this too. We do have the
possibility of a annexation deal. Matter

592
00:56:20,079 --> 00:56:30,240
of fact, I have one, two, three, four,
five, six, seven, uh, fiscal plans that

593
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:37,280
we could use for an appeal. And the
total is around 75,000.

594
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:44,559
So, we like to get your again thumbs up
to apply or advertise that in the budget

595
00:56:41,359 --> 00:56:50,799
and be able to move. Now, why I brought
that up, it it will the tax rate's going

596
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:54,640
to come up from the 33 ps, right? it's
going to come up because the growth

597
00:56:52,559 --> 00:57:02,079
quotient and because of the cess
valuation the 75

598
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:07,839
75,000 won't move it much but that is
something that once you get the 75 as

599
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:13,520
you know by the way the SC the
three-year growth quotient all of those

600
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:19,920
excess levy appeals that used to be back
there in the old days or even a year ago

601
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:25,599
those are all gone this is the
annexation and physical plan are the

602
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:32,400
only deal cities and towns got left.
Okay? So, it's your only bite of the

603
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:37,920
apple. And what they recognize is they
want to incentize if you increase your

604
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:42,240
border, they want to make sure that you
can match your revenues with the

605
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:47,599
expenses or who would ever increase the
border. Okay? and and they believe

606
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:52,559
increasing your border and providing
additional services like police

607
00:57:49,599 --> 00:57:59,680
protection and things like that benefit.
So they've kind of left the average

608
00:57:55,440 --> 00:58:03,200
appeal alone at least so far, right?
It's the only

609
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:08,480
recall it's the only appeal left the
growth appeal has gone away. So this is

610
00:58:06,559 --> 00:58:11,280
the one they reminded us last year.
>> Yes, they reminded of us last year. Even

611
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:16,359
though we were eligible for it, we
didn't get it anyway. Yeah. Yeah.

612
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:23,680
There could be I mean there's no
guarantee at all

613
00:58:21,119 --> 00:58:29,440
but we didn't you know my suggestion is
we at least try you know because these

614
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:36,720
are legitimate annexations based fund a
legitimate um fiscal plans and hopefully

615
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:40,000
Dan legitimate ordinances.
>> Right.

616
00:58:37,359 --> 00:58:43,119
» And I got a lot of faith in you on that.
>> Which son do we have? Are you

617
00:58:41,839 --> 00:58:49,920
referencing?
>> Um, you're welcome to see these. I I

618
00:58:47,119 --> 00:58:53,480
just have one sheet. Um, you've seen
this. I have

619
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:58,359
the council want.

620
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:05,000
» That was our quick inventory of the ones
256.

621
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:31,359
So, I'll turn to page 83. And 83 is your
projected assessed value or your actual

622
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:40,240
assessed valuation. And what's
interesting is we're going back to the

623
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:47,119
days of 2013 and 2016 when we had 35%
growth in AB and you see what we enjoyed

624
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:53,680
in the past and that's due to annexation
that's due to um all the you know people

625
00:59:50,720 --> 01:00:02,799
building homes and all the things that
Ryan showed you on that AB sheet. And

626
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:08,480
so, you know, I I I expect very highly
that we will not have those growth

627
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:16,160
numbers in the future. You can even see
your personal property at one it was 148

628
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:23,680
million 149 million and it's going down
like a rock too at 114.

629
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:30,640
Okay. So that so that what I mean by the
perfect storm is we're going to have a

630
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:37,359
lot of pressure on AB. We're going to
have tax rates going up. We're going to

631
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:44,559
have circuit breaker until you hit $3.
Everybody told tax rate hits $3. We're

632
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:50,640
going to have a new regime on
okay coming to an theater near you.

633
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:56,720
That's why I want you to be as strong as
you can before you go into those. Now,

634
01:00:54,000 --> 01:01:02,480
the the lid discussion, as Brian has
shared with you, looks like we'll be

635
01:00:59,119 --> 01:01:07,680
fairing well, maybe better than others,
but the fact of the matter is u you

636
01:01:05,359 --> 01:01:14,000
know, it's going to change and there's
going to be a lot of hard decisions.

637
01:01:10,799 --> 01:01:22,000
Now, if you turn to page 88,
page 88, this shows the h how the 2026

638
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:28,640
uh property tax rate is broken down.
This is our 3.33

639
01:01:24,559 --> 01:01:33,920
pennies. And uh as you can see, we've
got a very low debt rate of one one

640
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:40,079
penny. That that's very very low. And
keep in mind again, most of the debt

641
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:46,079
that we've incurred recently is the
developer bonds and they're on the hook.

642
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:51,599
It doesn't use our one at all. And by
the way, on that one that you presented

643
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:56,640
just a little bit ago, we I really love
the three-year forgiveness

644
01:01:54,400 --> 01:02:00,880
because what a lot of people do, as you
know, Greg, they capitalize that

645
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:06,000
interest. That just makes the bond size
higher. that just makes the taxpayers

646
01:02:03,359 --> 01:02:10,079
use that money for that. And by using
the and and if we can get them to stay

647
01:02:08,079 --> 01:02:15,200
with the forgiveness, it really just
gives us more money back in the pocket

648
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:20,079
of the tax eventually. So that's, you
know, that's really I love that they

649
01:02:17,839 --> 01:02:27,280
they laugh that they agree with us on
that because a lot of developers don't

650
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:34,160
want so just come out. So um next one is
on page 92. We got that. We've got the

651
01:02:30,799 --> 01:02:42,720
comparison of the 2026 rate and this is
the one that um you know we're at our

652
01:02:37,839 --> 01:02:49,520
total rate on Avon is 79880
playing field with their two billion AB

653
01:02:45,839 --> 01:02:57,280
of captured just in their tiff district
and three billion in their town uh yield

654
01:02:53,520 --> 01:03:02,559
a little bit better than us at 7958
but uh you know That's that's the way it

655
01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:06,960
is. But we're still right there. And and
we've got it and and this kind of breaks

656
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:12,319
them all down and puts them puts it in
the debt serve the fire too. And so it's

657
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:18,720
an all inclusive rate. It's not your 33
pes, right? It's your 79 to make you

658
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:25,920
comparable to everybody.
Okay. Um and there's a graphic depiction

659
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:35,200
of that on page 93.
So um ultimately then I guess if you

660
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:40,559
turn to page 110 this is our weighted
cost of cap capital calculation that

661
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:47,440
I've gone through in the past and you
can see our overall cost of capital in

662
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:53,359
2012 was 4.3. We're at 3.1.
So, we've got everything we've done,

663
01:03:50,319 --> 01:04:02,160
even with the least rental bonds of
3.79, which was in 2025, we got very low

664
01:03:57,839 --> 01:04:06,640
cost of capital. And our 2016 bonds,
we'll be paying off in a few short

665
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:12,559
years. So, even though we did issue
that, we issued that a very low price.

666
01:04:10,079 --> 01:04:17,359
And Greg, you know, as a result of your
bit yesterday, interest rates are more

667
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:22,079
like four and a half.
And so

668
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:30,240
» okay,
you should have been 43 and maybe

669
01:04:26,319 --> 01:04:36,000
but um so you know that's that's very
very good and and I think really kind of

670
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:42,799
sets us up by again we are using very
very very little of our 1 cent of our

671
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:49,200
tax. I'm sorry Julie but that's not a
lot. So, you know, and that's for our go

672
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:54,720
and keep in mind that you've built some
really good assets and what we've been

673
01:04:52,160 --> 01:05:00,720
able to do with the TI and you know,
when we all go up on the hill, that's

674
01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:04,880
one heck of an asset that that we're
going to have up there. And so, you

675
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:11,520
know, we've come a long way on things
like that. So, Ryan, what else do you

676
01:05:07,599 --> 01:05:18,400
want me on the sustainability to cover?
Um because again if you looked at the

677
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:23,680
funds the fund trend most of them are
holding their own going up a little bit

678
01:05:20,799 --> 01:05:30,880
and again that will be updated for once
you get once we get the 27 budget

679
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:36,920
solidified but you can kind of see where
like overall I think it's a lot of good

680
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:36,920
news.

681
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:45,200
talk about this
uh when in the future

682
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:47,680
» and the decisions that we may have to
make.

683
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:55,680
» Well, the decision that's going to come
to you all is going to be whether you

684
01:05:53,039 --> 01:06:03,680
opt in or opt out and I'm talking to
you. Okay. Um, you happen to be I I put

685
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:11,359
it in the tale of two cities in my write
up to the mustard or two tabs and that

686
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:20,880
was playing field and a
look at it your population is x%

687
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:27,440
and you know your uh your basic levy is
x% but they've been around a long time

688
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:35,200
levy of lift they've been around a long
time. So they've grown their property

689
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:40,880
tax levy. So since they've grown their
property tax levy each and every year

690
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:48,160
and annex and grown and growth quotient
and all that that they've grown to a

691
01:06:43,839 --> 01:06:58,400
level that they need x amount of of
lick. When you calculate that out and

692
01:06:52,000 --> 01:07:08,240
you use the right of each town over 3500
to levy their own lit rate of one up to

693
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:12,880
1.2 too. It's not It's not enough for
Brownsburg.

694
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:20,799
Dan probably maybe Danville was okay,
but Brownsburg and Plane

695
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:30,480
for you it it is it actually will pay
substantial dividends possibility of you

696
01:07:24,319 --> 01:07:36,960
doubling or more your LIT total. Okay.
Now, so that's if you opt out and create

697
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:41,440
your own tax.
All the other towns will more than

698
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:45,599
likely when we went around, I don't know
if any of you went to the bus group.

699
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:54,640
Yeah. And so, and you're coming to us
too, right? The second one. Um, and so

700
01:07:50,079 --> 01:08:02,960
most of them will say we want to opt in
and use the adjusted gross income of the

701
01:07:58,559 --> 01:08:10,319
county as a whole as opposed to the town
as a whole. Okay. Now, keep in mind we

702
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:15,280
have done estimates and everybody's done
estimates and at this point in time it

703
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:22,000
looks like you could do your own and you
could farewell, but you could also

704
01:08:18,159 --> 01:08:27,440
farewell if that tax if you stayed in
with Planefield and Brownsburg because

705
01:08:24,480 --> 01:08:34,400
they need a higher tax rate to fund
their lift. They need let's say about a

706
01:08:30,799 --> 01:08:39,839
0.8. Okay, that's still higher than what
you need. Now, what do we need?

707
01:08:36,799 --> 01:08:45,040
» Uh, we had it I don't have those numbers
right at my fingertips, but about 50

708
01:08:41,679 --> 01:08:48,640
basis point 48 cents I think just to
break even.

709
01:08:45,839 --> 01:08:55,120
» Yeah, to break even. And the definition
of break even has been cussed and

710
01:08:51,920 --> 01:09:01,279
discussed. It is what what the reason I
say that is that

711
01:08:58,480 --> 01:09:08,480
there is a general perception of break
even is lit plus cap loss, circuit

712
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:15,359
breaker loss and things like that. That
should be it. That's not given by by

713
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:22,080
anybody. Okay? That's what the towns are
are asking. Cities and towns think is

714
01:09:18,480 --> 01:09:26,480
fair. Counties don't need it so much.
And the overall fact is everybody's

715
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:30,799
going to say, "Well, you've survived
with those circuit breaker caps now. Why

716
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:36,560
do you need to increase the lip rate
that much more?" That's a big debate and

717
01:09:33,359 --> 01:09:44,480
I guarantee you that's coming in SP2
something of that. So, so Greg, that

718
01:09:40,719 --> 01:09:51,679
would then give us dividends, too. So
right now either opt in or opt out would

719
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:58,320
end up to be more of a political
decision than a maybe an economic

720
01:09:55,120 --> 01:10:04,960
decision because you would you would now
if you opt out you would be able to go

721
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:10,880
up to 1.2 as it is stated now and it
would be up to you to calculate and then

722
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:17,040
not impose a rate. the state would
impose the rate but basically have that

723
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:24,080
rate. Okay. If you opt in, then the
county council will mandate the rate.

724
01:10:20,480 --> 01:10:29,679
Okay. So to speak to make everybody to
give everybody lit,

725
01:10:26,719 --> 01:10:36,800
you know, that won't make everybody.
>> Well, they they may they may not. I

726
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:43,360
don't know. Right. That that will be
the 180 and we certainly

727
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:46,239
at 50.
>> Yeah.

728
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:51,840
» And if they don't, then you're down 120.
Maybe you're still w. But then how much

729
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:59,360
can we
>> right? You can do up to 120 as it stands

730
01:10:55,520 --> 01:11:06,239
today. Um but then again what you might
say then is if they opted in in they

731
01:11:03,440 --> 01:11:11,280
became 50 basis points and you said we
want to opt out create our own tax rate

732
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:20,560
at 100 basis point you'd be twice as
high. Okay. And so that will also have

733
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:25,840
in my opinion annexation.
It will impact your annexations.

734
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:32,480
Okay. because one might become savvy
enough to say if I stay out here I'm I'm

735
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:37,520
going to pay less income tax you know so
still so my recommendation to ride is

736
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:44,719
you know we keep on our trail of
annexation because we we may do the same

737
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:50,719
rate but if we have to end up going and
creating our own rate that might change

738
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:57,360
that story a little bit but u and you
know getting that donut hole legisl

739
01:11:53,920 --> 01:12:02,719
ation, you know, is really, really
important in my opinion. And I I think

740
01:12:00,159 --> 01:12:08,719
the state's going to hear us loud and
clear on that because they're going to

741
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:14,159
say, "Oh my gosh, we got to put a a
virtual fence

742
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:18,320
around Jason's neighbor because he
happens to be out of the out of the town

743
01:12:16,480 --> 01:12:23,120
limits."
I'm just saying as an example. We've

744
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:29,040
known that for years,
but Jason's in. And so, you know,

745
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:33,560
creating those virtual fences to capture
people's trash don't

746
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:43,040
ain't going to work. Okay. To be Mr.
Office. Um, and so, you know, that's

747
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:48,880
that's where it's going to come down to,
Greg. And and you know you in one hand

748
01:12:46,719 --> 01:12:55,040
you get to choose your own destiny for
the rest of your life. In one other hand

749
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:59,360
you might uh choose the other for the
rest of your life so to speak. And once

750
01:12:56,880 --> 01:13:03,520
you opt in it is my understanding you
cannot opt out. So you don't get to play

751
01:13:01,679 --> 01:13:06,239
the game of one year one year one year
one year.

752
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:12,480
» Is it locked for three years?
>> Well the rate is locked for three years.

753
01:13:09,440 --> 01:13:15,679
» You can't even read the that's often in
one. and you don't know what the

754
01:13:13,679 --> 01:13:20,400
county's going to do. So, you'll be
surprised by what they choose and then

755
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:27,520
you're locked in for three years.
Whereas, if we do do our own, we control

756
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:34,159
our destin and and and that's not going
to that's not playing real good in, you

757
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:39,840
know, I I do Martin County, their income
doesn't grow from one year to another.

758
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:45,840
You lock in a rate. uh how do you give
Shelby a 3% rate raise if you don't get

759
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:50,880
any more lit you're not going to get
much more property taxes so you're not

760
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:56,719
going to get much lit in that case and
so you're going to be so dependent on

761
01:13:54,159 --> 01:14:03,520
the budget is going to be driven by the
lit increase

762
01:13:59,199 --> 01:14:10,320
and the lit increase is is driven by the
adjusted gross income in the town of

763
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:16,320
Avon or the ity of Hendricks.
Now, the the goal is not to pit anybody

764
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:21,440
against anybody. You know, as I said in
the opening thing of of of the Hendricks

765
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:27,360
County month, we got to all be in this
kind of fish ball all together because

766
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:32,560
it's the county as a whole that's the
important thing. Okay? And so that's

767
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:37,719
what I still believe and I think the
county council believes that. let their

768
01:14:34,719 --> 01:14:37,719
structure.

769
01:14:38,719 --> 01:14:44,400
It sounds like we're going to be much
better if we do stick with our have our

770
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:49,040
own and a lot of what you mentioned
about the we did well with the wheel tax

771
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:54,000
food and beverage you know our history
of that. So if we can control our own

772
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:58,159
and it seems pretty darn logical that we
should stick with that rather than just

773
01:14:56,560 --> 01:15:03,679
going on the tail of the county on
regular basis.

774
01:15:00,239 --> 01:15:07,120
It's going to be a tough call. Okay. And
the good news is, guess what? You don't

775
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:14,320
have an ordinance in front of you
tonight. Uh, so, you know, that won't be

776
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:21,199
until 28, maybe 29. So, we've got some
time. I I do believe SB2 is coming. I do

777
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:27,199
believe it's going to change things. And
so, Steve,

778
01:15:24,239 --> 01:15:32,000
your observation at this point is you've
managed your finances very, very well.

779
01:15:30,159 --> 01:15:39,199
you should be able to manage it very
well in the future. So I don't disagree.

780
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:44,640
» But either way, when we saw this great
presentation, if it must be

781
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:50,560
» put on by this company that is topnotch,
we make out either way.

782
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:55,280
» But what would be better for our future
if I like the idea that we control it?

783
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:58,880
» And that's I mean it's gonna be a tough
decision for you guys. So that's okay.

784
01:15:56,960 --> 01:16:05,199
So
Greg has a beautiful model that we can

785
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:08,480
spend an entire hour and a half moving
things around and letting you guys see

786
01:16:06,719 --> 01:16:12,560
what the different things are. I don't
think today is that

787
01:16:10,480 --> 01:16:19,120
» but I Greg and I would like to do a
specific lit meeting with you guys pre

788
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:24,239
» because at some point we are going to
have you are going to have to give Julie

789
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:29,040
guidance on how to vote at a meeting
because Julie is our representative on

790
01:16:26,239 --> 01:16:35,280
the must on the must board or whatever
they're calling it. So I think late

791
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:38,960
August or early September
we'd probably like to

792
01:16:36,480 --> 01:16:43,520
» yeah probably conversation that's just a
meeting where all we talk about with you

793
01:16:41,199 --> 01:16:47,440
guys is the must where Greg can put his
model up, show you the different

794
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:51,920
scenarios. Let's just assume the county
approves an 80 cents. What is the impact

795
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:55,679
of the town? What is the impact of the
town does 80 cents? What is the impact

796
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:59,280
of because it changes under every
scenario. What if playingfield opts out?

797
01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:03,440
That's going to change the scenario and
what everybody gets. What if Avon opts

798
01:17:01,199 --> 01:17:08,880
out? How does that impact? So,
>> and Brian, I think the integration

799
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:15,199
between Avon and Washington Township
Fire is so so important because the the

800
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:19,600
one version you shared with me, you
know, we talked about today, right? Avon

801
01:17:17,440 --> 01:17:24,400
fire gets nothing.
Now, they might be assuming that you're

802
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:28,320
going to give them your extra. Well,
that's not a good decision. And that may

803
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:31,520
be another thing that comes into play
which will make your decision even

804
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:36,880
harder is depending on what decision it
is. We could get a huge influx of

805
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:40,880
additional lit revenue but like the
school is no longer going to be able to

806
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:46,400
get lit. So the school corporation may
come and ask you guys for a portion of

807
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:49,920
your lit money or the Washington Fire
Department may come and say hey council

808
01:17:48,480 --> 01:17:53,840
will you support us and give us lit
money. So all of these things you're

809
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:56,960
going to have all these decisions to
make that are going to impact other

810
01:17:55,199 --> 01:17:59,600
entities. And so we're gonna have a
friendly consolidation discussion then

811
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:05,600
is what you're saying.
>> I'm not saying that it would maybe be a

812
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:09,920
great idea but I I I don't know.
>> Just Donald was there too. You see all

813
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:17,360
the scenarios we are just finally
getting

814
01:18:11,679 --> 01:18:23,440
and I don't like to share. That's just
>> I'm with you there.

815
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:27,480
So if you thought this job was boring
now just wait.

816
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:35,520
So yeah. So we'd like to and and and
that's what we want to do is just get

817
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:41,360
you get it up on the screen, get my
analyst and and we're going to do some

818
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:46,159
some whatifs in there and and take you
as deep in there as you want to go. And

819
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:50,719
I'm telling you this when you get all
the nuts and bolts together, there's a

820
01:18:48,159 --> 01:18:57,120
lot of changing things. And and what I'd
like to do is get you educated on where

821
01:18:53,760 --> 01:19:03,760
it is today. So you'll understand when
SB2 and again I call it that, right? SB2

822
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:09,280
comes through the theater near you. Um
that then you'll be able to see the

823
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:14,480
change and understand the change. That's
what's critical for you because yeah,

824
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:17,920
we're going to be in in September here.
We're going to be looking at Julie and

825
01:19:16,239 --> 01:19:22,719
saying, Julie, you may have to sign on
the dotted line somewhere here. Now, I

826
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:31,120
don't like what the Association of City
of Counties put out is that everybody

827
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:35,280
would agree to a rate. I don't like that
because I don't think you want to agree

828
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:40,320
to a rate at this point in time because
then you'd be agreeing to one. I think

829
01:19:38,239 --> 01:19:46,239
the concept I've been trying to always
push the concept they're pushing for the

830
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:49,840
town needs to say what its rate needs to
be and the county needs to say. I'm not

831
01:19:48,480 --> 01:19:55,840
sure the county is going for that
either. But you know I'm I don't speak

832
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:58,560
for any of you. I just got
so

833
01:19:56,560 --> 01:20:02,719
» well hand out that information before we
talk about it. So

834
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:07,520
it's impossible to do. You're going to
have to sit here and look at it with us.

835
01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:11,840
C can we have these some of these charts
and uh some interactive uh you know

836
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:17,440
graphs that it kind of showed a little
better because you can get lost in

837
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:21,360
spreadsheets is it can be we can see
about that now we may need a a week

838
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:26,719
later
for that but sure yeah you know yeah I I

839
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:32,000
have a graphics person that can do that
>> on some of the key points you can't make

840
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:38,560
a real tight too much to do everything
the key points okay when's that must be

841
01:20:35,679 --> 01:20:43,280
» it is next week I believe is or the week
after and

842
01:20:41,679 --> 01:20:49,040
» the 17th
>> be careful but they said the 26th

843
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:54,239
» yeah and then they also said that it
still may not depending on if we get the

844
01:20:51,199 --> 01:20:58,640
data they may move it forgive me you're
you're saying that you're saying our

845
01:20:55,520 --> 01:21:03,199
next with you guys that Julie's going to
need some guidance from us you said

846
01:21:01,440 --> 01:21:09,120
» no these are discussion meetings
>> got When when is when is the decision?

847
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:14,719
» That's not been said.
>> It will be sometime in September, maybe

848
01:21:12,239 --> 01:21:18,000
later in September. Okay. So, sometime
late August, late August, early

849
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:22,320
September, we will want to sit down with
you guys to look at. Now, most of the M

850
01:21:20,480 --> 01:21:28,400
discussion is going to be more focused
on what are we going to do in 28 or 29

851
01:21:25,679 --> 01:21:31,520
versus what Julie's going to do because
we don't have the option to create our

852
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:34,719
own right now. So no matter what
happens, we're still opting in with the

853
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:38,159
county at this point because we don't
have that other option yet. So the

854
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:41,360
county is making the decision really at
this point. Correct.

855
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:45,120
» Now, why are you saying that? You're
over 3500,

856
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:50,159
» right? But we can't establish a rate
until 28.

857
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:52,159
» Oh, I'm saying 27 28. We are with the
county no matter what.

858
01:21:51,679 --> 01:21:56,000
» Well,
>> but we're under the weird system, not

859
01:21:54,000 --> 01:22:01,040
the same, not the way the system's going
to shape.

860
01:21:57,360 --> 01:22:08,480
» Yeah. But you know that may be where
since you have the right you may say I

861
01:22:04,239 --> 01:22:15,920
need to reserve the rights correct okay
and and get that because otherwise you

862
01:22:12,719 --> 01:22:19,199
might be sending a false signal
you see what I'm saying but we we need

863
01:22:18,639 --> 01:22:24,120
to talk
>> yeah we'll talk further

864
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:24,120
» yeah so

865
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:31,760
any other quick questions on
sustainability Again, Greg will be at

866
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:37,440
the council meeting to talk about the
his recommendation fund for the funds.

867
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:42,400
But I think it's important again each
and every year. I wanted to write this

868
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:48,239
down and show you everything that we
went through to get to these points

869
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:54,320
because you know man, you know, the data
just keeps coming and the hits keep

870
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:58,880
playing. Okay? And so we just don't sit
down in a vacuum and say we can't afford

871
01:22:57,280 --> 01:23:04,320
this or we can't afford this or
whatever. We really I mean we really put

872
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:12,400
some time and effort in it and we know
exactly where you are. We know in 27 28

873
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:19,360
where you're likely to go. We don't know
too much after. Okay. It's a little

874
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:25,120
murder but it looks like it's a good m
if that makes sense.

875
01:23:22,239 --> 01:23:29,560
Okay, Ryan, you told me they needed. So,
>> thanks.

876
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:29,560
» Yes, thank you.

877
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:38,920
Let's

878
01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:50,360
go

879
01:32:52,239 --> 01:32:56,280
ahead and call the meeting to order

880
01:32:59,840 --> 01:33:05,920
to the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for it

881
01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:10,560
stands.
One nation,

882
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:13,719
indivisible, with liberty and justice
for all.

883
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:21,000
» Robert

884
01:33:21,679 --> 01:33:27,480
Susan
>> Jason.

885
01:33:30,080 --> 01:33:33,639
Is there any discussion?

886
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:44,600
Make a motion to approve the consent
agenda for the check register for August

887
01:33:38,639 --> 01:33:44,600
13th. Approval of July 23rd as present

888
01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:50,639
» Jason Pucket
>> four

889
01:33:47,679 --> 01:33:53,760
» four
>> four

890
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:57,440
» four.
Next is public comment period. The

891
01:33:55,600 --> 01:34:02,159
public can comment on items on the
agenda that are not part of a public

892
01:33:59,120 --> 01:34:07,440
hearing this evening or on any specific
matter's jurisdiction. If you would like

893
01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:11,040
to speak, please come forward. My
phone's not working. My phone's not my

894
01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:15,280
phone's not working. So, you don't have
to press the green button, but please

895
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:18,280
state your name and your address,
please.

896
01:34:24,480 --> 01:34:29,000
Hi, John Taylor 217.

897
01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:36,400
I'm here tonight to let everybody know
that we have someone to run the economic

898
01:34:34,159 --> 01:34:42,000
development partnership and I brought
with me so a chance to say hello and I'm

899
01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:46,000
gonna let her say a couple things
but I'm going to say one thing before I

900
01:34:43,920 --> 01:34:50,480
leave. Thank you all for what you did
for me the last seven years and

901
01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:55,280
believing in what economic development
is and what it will bring to the

902
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:59,679
community. I think Greg wouldn't have as
much to talk about if it wasn't for all

903
01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:05,040
the new development that's happened the
last few years. And thank you for every

904
01:35:02,639 --> 01:35:11,679
time I've come before you for a a tax
abatement or use tip dollars. You always

905
01:35:08,159 --> 01:35:17,280
were supportive and understood. So, um,
continued success to the community. And

906
01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:21,920
this is
>> Oh, I'm Jennifer.

907
01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:26,679
Thank you, John. Um, my first question
is, is this guy ever tired?

908
01:35:26,960 --> 01:35:33,120
» No, I'm I'm Jennifer Chamberlain.
honored to be the next executive

909
01:35:30,639 --> 01:35:38,159
director with county and development
partnership and um I'm really looking

910
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:44,080
forward to using my past experience in
the public sector and the private

911
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:49,679
sector. Um I started my career in I got
my master's degree in geography. That's

912
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:54,560
kind of a fun fact unique but then um
served in community and economic

913
01:35:51,199 --> 01:35:59,360
development departments in Portage and
Fisers. did that for eight years in both

914
01:35:57,120 --> 01:36:05,360
those communities throughout the state
and then um I worked in the private

915
01:36:01,679 --> 01:36:09,120
sector for the last 14 years. I was most
recently with Thompson Thrift and worked

916
01:36:07,040 --> 01:36:13,840
in multif family development over the
last year, but the real bulk of my

917
01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:19,520
career was at Simon Property Group and I
was there for 13 years um helping

918
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:25,440
leasing and development or redevelopment
of anchors and um the common thread is

919
01:36:23,199 --> 01:36:31,520
just trying to attract business and
investment to a location whether it's at

920
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:36,480
a community or finding an apartment site
or at a shopping center. So, I look

921
01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:42,400
forward to doing that here in Hendris
County. And um at Avon, I'm so excited.

922
01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:47,760
There's so many exciting things. John
has really done a great job setting me

923
01:36:44,320 --> 01:36:52,320
up for success um with Eastern Gray and
the Mormon Church and all of those

924
01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:58,239
opportunities and I look forward to
building upon that. And my last thing

925
01:36:55,199 --> 01:37:03,440
that before I sit down and let you move
on is that I want to let you know that I

926
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:09,040
am our organization's here to serve you
as a partner and as a resource. My

927
01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:13,920
personal goal is to make that a reliable
resource and a trusted partner. So

928
01:37:11,199 --> 01:37:17,600
please don't hesitate to reach out and I
I would love to meet with each of you

929
01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:22,719
and get to know you better and what your
priorities are and make sure that aligns

930
01:37:19,600 --> 01:37:27,560
with our organization. And thank you for
your time. I look forward to working

931
01:37:24,239 --> 01:37:27,560
with you all.

932
01:37:32,960 --> 01:37:38,119
» Anyone else like to come forward?
>> Thank you very much.

933
01:37:40,719 --> 01:37:47,800
» Hey, no one else coming forward. So,
we'll close public comment and move on

934
01:37:44,080 --> 01:37:47,800
to department updates.

935
01:37:56,639 --> 01:38:05,040
Steve Moore works director. Uh
first on the list is a 100 north race

936
01:38:03,679 --> 01:38:09,760
roundabout making some really good
progress out there. Um utility re

937
01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:13,679
relocation will be complete overnight
tonight.

938
01:38:11,280 --> 01:38:20,320
That'll be the last one. Then aes will
remove the remaining poles hopefully

939
01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:24,000
next week and the drill crews and the
storm water crews can do what they need

940
01:38:22,639 --> 01:38:28,800
to do where those poles were
interfering. Uh that said the storm

941
01:38:27,199 --> 01:38:32,880
water crews doing great. They have
already completed the south leg, the

942
01:38:31,280 --> 01:38:36,320
south side of the east leg and they're
going to be working on the north side

943
01:38:34,239 --> 01:38:41,360
and east leg for the next week. Dirt
crews are out there working. Milling is

944
01:38:38,560 --> 01:38:47,440
done of the road. So we're doing pretty
well.

945
01:38:42,560 --> 01:38:53,119
Um, here's a revised completion date.
I'm going to say the end of October,

946
01:38:50,639 --> 01:38:56,480
early October, which I would say the end
of the year. So, this is an improvement.

947
01:38:54,560 --> 01:39:01,360
Okay.
Set that far kind of low, but yeah. So,

948
01:38:59,440 --> 01:39:07,679
end of October is when we think that'll
be complete. They should hopefully meet

949
01:39:04,239 --> 01:39:12,880
that date. Um, road widening on Dan
Jones Road phase three. The utility

950
01:39:10,639 --> 01:39:17,040
relocation work continues. The trans
transmission poles are done. Uh, the

951
01:39:15,440 --> 01:39:20,880
electric distribution, they'll still
have some polls to set later this year.

952
01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:25,920
AT&T will begin their relocation on the
west side as soon as

953
01:39:24,080 --> 01:39:29,760
clear. Once they're out of the way, our
road contract will be able to then

954
01:39:27,440 --> 01:39:34,320
temporary temporarily widen west side of
the road so we can shift the two lanes

955
01:39:32,480 --> 01:39:41,119
to the west and then work on the east
for next year. Um

956
01:39:38,639 --> 01:39:45,920
widening phase four design is
progressing to allow for bidding

957
01:39:44,159 --> 01:39:50,560
design should be done for this fall. I
don't know why bid this fall being

958
01:39:47,440 --> 01:39:53,920
pushed to 27 based on
utility locations but that's making good

959
01:39:52,400 --> 01:40:02,400
progress.
CCMG all the concrete work is done. Um

960
01:39:59,679 --> 01:40:05,600
they're doing full depth patching on 200
South right now and then hopefully

961
01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:11,520
they'll get paid next week and then
they'll jump into all the neighborhoods

962
01:40:07,679 --> 01:40:16,239
where they've got the concret
sidewalks. We have a sidewalk and curb

963
01:40:13,280 --> 01:40:21,440
project going out for it's out right now
waiting for them to come in and that

964
01:40:19,119 --> 01:40:26,560
work will be done again this year.
stormwater utility. Uh we received the

965
01:40:24,320 --> 01:40:31,440
quote today for the K10 drainage
project. We only received one quote. Not

966
01:40:28,960 --> 01:40:38,719
sure why. We had five of our river
biders. Um nobody responded but one. Not

967
01:40:35,600 --> 01:40:43,679
sure why. Um I will be finding out why.
But uh it was good price. It was 15,800

968
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:49,199
and the estimate engineers estimate was
62. So it was under that. So annoying

969
01:40:46,239 --> 01:40:53,360
the other guys. Um so the storm board
will be considering that acceptance of

970
01:40:50,400 --> 01:41:00,080
that quote at their next meeting. Um
being excavating by the ones who didn't

971
01:40:55,199 --> 01:41:08,239
quote um completed their reund
and 200 north that area there's

972
01:41:04,880 --> 01:41:14,480
another section that has done yet and
that's pretty much it. Any questions?

973
01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:18,480
Speak just a little feedback. Did are
you feel like you're getting good

974
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:22,080
feedback from the utilities? Are they
being responsive to you? You know, as

975
01:41:20,320 --> 01:41:26,040
far as communicating well.
>> Oh, you love me.

976
01:41:28,080 --> 01:41:32,400
» I sense a little sarcasm.
>> We have we we have the healthy

977
01:41:31,280 --> 01:41:38,320
relationship.
>> Oh, I sense a little more sarcasm.

978
01:41:35,840 --> 01:41:44,159
No, I I know. Um, I guess I just throw
that out there in case there's comment

979
01:41:41,679 --> 01:41:47,679
or room. You utilities are difficult to
work with and that's that's the that's

980
01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:54,400
the long part of it. I've actually
revised our um contract agreements form

981
01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:58,560
for our consultants on each
coordination. Lessons learned, right?

982
01:41:56,719 --> 01:42:03,679
You know, things that we want to make,
you know, better and try to avoid, you

983
01:42:01,440 --> 01:42:08,560
know, pitfalls in the future. So, you
know, as things happen, you know, try to

984
01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:11,360
counter them with contract language for
the future projects.

985
01:42:09,360 --> 01:42:16,320
» I think that's probably the best way go
forward on that. So, that's good. I I

986
01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:20,960
know you're in tough position, so I was
mainly asking is to see if there's room

987
01:42:18,800 --> 01:42:25,760
for movement in that direction.
>> I I think honestly I think they're they

988
01:42:22,960 --> 01:42:31,600
all are working well with us. I I think
as well with us as anybody, maybe better

989
01:42:27,600 --> 01:42:35,040
with us than most. Okay,
that's enough. That's good.

990
01:42:32,800 --> 01:42:39,920
» I have a question. Um, I thought I read
recently that there made some

991
01:42:37,280 --> 01:42:44,080
announcements about CCMG money.
>> Yes. Avon was not on that list.

992
01:42:42,880 --> 01:42:49,920
» I don't know what you're talking about
the congestion. They were awarding the

993
01:42:47,520 --> 01:42:53,040
next round. There's a second Yeah, there
was a second round, but we weren't

994
01:42:51,679 --> 01:42:55,840
eligible for the second round because we
were funded in the first round.

995
01:42:54,880 --> 01:42:58,800
» Oh, yeah.
>> They changed the program. It's not

996
01:42:57,040 --> 01:43:02,639
working the same way. So basically the
state came up with like another $75

997
01:43:00,480 --> 01:43:06,960
million for the one state awarded in the
first round. There were some some

998
01:43:04,239 --> 01:43:11,440
administrative issues with but we were
we were fortunate enough to have all our

999
01:43:09,040 --> 01:43:16,320
issues resolved and we were awarded in
the first uh award for the year. Then

1000
01:43:14,480 --> 01:43:21,520
the second round came out for people who
did not get that did not include us. Uh

1001
01:43:19,119 --> 01:43:28,000
but we do now that you mentioned CCMG,
we do have our

1002
01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:33,360
designer working on our application for
the next round that's coming out in

1003
01:43:30,639 --> 01:43:37,760
October. I think October. So yeah, we're
already working on that. So our

1004
01:43:35,199 --> 01:43:45,400
engineers has been a walk all the
projected sites next Thursday.

1005
01:43:41,280 --> 01:43:45,400
I didn't want to miss out

1006
01:43:56,880 --> 01:44:05,360
planning and building updates on our
hearing agendas. We have one case next

1007
01:44:02,159 --> 01:44:08,960
week on BCA agenda. We have now down to
three cases on the plan commission for

1008
01:44:07,199 --> 01:44:14,560
this month.
um after the development plan and plat

1009
01:44:12,480 --> 01:44:20,239
that were proposed for the commercial
area were drawn. Um not sure what

1010
01:44:18,639 --> 01:44:25,360
actually precipitated that. So that's
not going forward at this time. We had I

1011
01:44:23,199 --> 01:44:28,639
think four new filings for September
planning commission. Not sure if those

1012
01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:35,199
are all on the agenda because they're
working on getting additioners to uh

1013
01:44:32,480 --> 01:44:39,600
complete their submissions actually. So
that's TBD. Um, we're still making

1014
01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:44,880
progress on setting up our online
application submission process through I

1015
01:44:42,159 --> 01:44:49,360
work. Um, getting closer to going live
on that. We have our engineering

1016
01:44:46,719 --> 01:44:55,360
consultant moved in so they can review
everything um through that portal now

1017
01:44:52,239 --> 01:45:00,400
without having to come in pick up paper
and thumb drives.

1018
01:44:57,520 --> 01:45:03,920
So, continuing to do some uh testing and
troubleshooting on that, but hopefully

1019
01:45:01,760 --> 01:45:10,560
that'll be live in the next couple
months for the public. to submit to. And

1020
01:45:08,080 --> 01:45:18,320
then we're still hoping to have
comprehensive UDO revisions um later

1021
01:45:15,040 --> 01:45:23,360
this year, but we are working on
possibly doing a smaller revision that

1022
01:45:20,639 --> 01:45:29,360
might come before you sooner as we've
identified some uses that would be

1023
01:45:27,199 --> 01:45:33,840
considered kind of high impact uses that
aren't very well

1024
01:45:31,920 --> 01:45:38,320
called out or delineated at all right
now in the video. And we want to make

1025
01:45:35,760 --> 01:45:43,920
sure that we have those in the
appropriate classification most likely.

1026
01:45:40,880 --> 01:45:48,560
So that before something like that would
go in by right, it would have to come

1027
01:45:46,159 --> 01:45:53,760
through the council presumably for
resuming. Um

1028
01:45:52,080 --> 01:45:59,119
and from the building side of things,
you should have Mike Ty's building

1029
01:45:55,440 --> 01:46:04,880
activity report for July. You have any
questions on any of that, just reach out

1030
01:46:01,760 --> 01:46:09,520
to him directly. and the building permit
fee increases that you all adopted

1031
01:46:07,360 --> 01:46:16,280
earlier this year will go into effect in
two weeks.

1032
01:46:12,480 --> 01:46:16,280
Happy to answer any questions.

1033
01:46:25,840 --> 01:46:32,080
» Good evening. Shelby Craig, parks
recreation director.

1034
01:46:29,679 --> 01:46:36,719
um updates on our construction projects
at the pickle patch. We've ran into some

1035
01:46:34,480 --> 01:46:41,600
unexpected drainage issues, so push our
timeline back a little bit. Um we have

1036
01:46:39,040 --> 01:46:45,520
to repair a pipe underground,
push pavement back, I think three times

1037
01:46:43,440 --> 01:46:50,719
now. Hopefully we can still get pavement
down next week. Um and then smooth

1038
01:46:48,880 --> 01:46:55,199
ceiling from there. The foundation for
the shelter has been poured and the

1039
01:46:52,560 --> 01:47:01,440
sidewalk from Avon Avenue to the pickle
patch is complete

1040
01:46:58,159 --> 01:47:06,880
at Bernett. The contractor has mobilized
and the first round of invasive species

1041
01:47:04,560 --> 01:47:10,239
removal by Williams Creek has been done.
We actually have a meeting out there on

1042
01:47:08,159 --> 01:47:15,760
Monday to go over what that project
entailed. We actually got a credit back

1043
01:47:12,560 --> 01:47:20,960
for some of that. So,
looking good there. Our PRBC met last

1044
01:47:18,639 --> 01:47:25,280
night. I shared the capital improvement
plan and 2027 budget with them.

1045
01:47:23,520 --> 01:47:29,119
Obviously, they don't have any voting
powers, but I just

1046
01:47:27,760 --> 01:47:34,880
they are my sounding board for
everything. So, I just bring them up to

1047
01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:42,239
speed on all that. And then upcoming uh
Tiffany has been working with um

1048
01:47:39,199 --> 01:47:47,920
uh Crossroads on potentially maybe this
year bidding two trails. um the 150

1049
01:47:45,840 --> 01:47:53,199
South to Dan Jones project and the
Waywood Trail to 625 at 800 sports

1050
01:47:51,360 --> 01:47:58,480
project potentially getting those
together. Um if not this year definitely

1051
01:47:56,719 --> 01:48:03,600
next year.
Any questions?

1052
01:48:00,239 --> 01:48:08,639
» What we have on the sewer connection?
>> Um it is scheduled day is scheduled to

1053
01:48:06,080 --> 01:48:15,600
be there the last week of August
25th. Is that Monday?

1054
01:48:11,360 --> 01:48:18,239
» I think those are deadline.
How long?

1055
01:48:17,520 --> 01:48:23,639
» A week.
>> A week. I'm not going to finish that.

1056
01:48:36,320 --> 01:48:44,080
» Good evening. Sean, chief police. Um,
Officer Adam St. Jack. He'll be

1057
01:48:42,320 --> 01:48:49,560
graduating from Indiana law enforcement
academy next Friday on August 21st

1058
01:48:50,880 --> 01:48:54,119
High School

1059
01:48:54,560 --> 01:49:02,520
this year for sure, but could be one of
those two. If you're never that I

1060
01:48:58,719 --> 01:49:02,520
encourage you to go watch that

1061
01:49:02,560 --> 01:49:13,199
more information on that officer Jacob
Redmond, he'll be reporting to for

1062
01:49:08,560 --> 01:49:19,440
training August 31st. came out going in
and then on Monday a police department

1063
01:49:16,239 --> 01:49:24,400
air board met and convened and voted
unanimous state vote to tender two final

1064
01:49:22,400 --> 01:49:29,520
conditional offers of employment to two
other new officers. Uh both of them are

1065
01:49:27,679 --> 01:49:33,600
completing their final per retirement
physical, psychological examinations and

1066
01:49:31,600 --> 01:49:37,520
other remaining portions of background
investigation

1067
01:49:35,360 --> 01:49:41,440
and as long as all of those uh go
through successfully then they'll get an

1068
01:49:39,360 --> 01:49:45,840
official start date probably within a
month or so.

1069
01:49:43,600 --> 01:49:52,400
Uh we received our annual reimbursement
from the Indiana Crime Guns Task Force

1070
01:49:48,080 --> 01:49:57,199
in the amount of approximately $12,000
that goes to reimburse our payroll and

1071
01:49:55,119 --> 01:50:03,040
our cell phone forensic technology
platforms that we help support that

1072
01:49:59,119 --> 01:50:10,119
program investigations.
Happy to answer any questions you are

1073
01:50:05,760 --> 01:50:10,119
expenses that we already incurred

1074
01:50:10,320 --> 01:50:19,960
on your two new officers. How many
officers will we have on board?

1075
01:50:16,159 --> 01:50:19,960
» That will be 44

1076
01:50:21,520 --> 01:50:28,719
beginning.
>> Yes and no. because we originally set

1077
01:50:25,760 --> 01:50:36,199
aside the two positions that were going
to fill because we weren't sure how the

1078
01:50:32,800 --> 01:50:36,199
impact that

1079
01:50:37,920 --> 01:50:40,920
allian

1080
01:50:51,199 --> 01:51:01,040
I believe as of yesterday. Um, and it's
towards the bottom of the list. So, it

1081
01:50:58,320 --> 01:51:05,760
is harder to get quality candidates once
we get down there. We just got two of

1082
01:51:03,360 --> 01:51:12,480
them there. So, they're really good. So,
this has been unusually good. Um,

1083
01:51:09,760 --> 01:51:17,600
usually after we got a list of 30, we
might get maybe three, maybe four. I

1084
01:51:15,360 --> 01:51:23,040
think right now we got six up for this
list. We have some others pretty

1085
01:51:19,679 --> 01:51:23,040
promising still.

1086
01:51:23,679 --> 01:51:26,679
Yes.

1087
01:51:35,840 --> 01:51:39,000
That's me.

1088
01:51:39,040 --> 01:51:46,080
» I sent you guys reports. We rolled um
into we rolled our July. Send you guys

1089
01:51:44,320 --> 01:51:50,320
reports. So, check your emails. If you
have any questions, let me know. Um

1090
01:51:48,400 --> 01:51:55,199
you'll hear about it later. We started
budget season. Greg's gonna go over

1091
01:51:52,960 --> 01:51:59,920
everything. My favorite time of year.
Um,

1092
01:51:56,880 --> 01:52:02,800
and just he'll be talking to you a lot
more about the must. I am your

1093
01:52:01,199 --> 01:52:08,719
representative. So, whatever you guys
decide, just give me direction and

1094
01:52:04,800 --> 01:52:13,960
that's how we go. But, um, most
importantly, just review those reports

1095
01:52:10,320 --> 01:52:13,960
if you have any questions.

1096
01:52:15,920 --> 01:52:23,679
All right, moving on to council comment
and reports state.

1097
01:52:20,960 --> 01:52:29,520
» I think our work session
I think our our work session we covered

1098
01:52:26,480 --> 01:52:33,440
a logistics about the the background
with the comments the board members had

1099
01:52:31,599 --> 01:52:37,599
Ryan was very good about covering all
that. So I I won't want to go on

1100
01:52:35,840 --> 01:52:41,360
anymore. I'll just say that they're
they're having good interaction. uh

1101
01:52:39,599 --> 01:52:46,480
you're not just having a a board that
meets and approves funding. Um they are

1102
01:52:43,760 --> 01:52:49,360
going through and as as Brian relayed
there in the work session, they're

1103
01:52:48,080 --> 01:52:52,639
they're wrestling with some of these
copies and they're thinking through and

1104
01:52:51,119 --> 01:52:59,679
they're making sure there's there's
clawback that that there's not an open

1105
01:52:56,159 --> 01:53:06,800
book and the bonds are being bought in
this case by Chicago Industrial. But uh

1106
01:53:04,960 --> 01:53:10,880
I have to say I've been impressed
listening to it. It's kind of fun.

1107
01:53:09,119 --> 01:53:16,320
being on the listening end and not being
able to say anything. It's kind that's a

1108
01:53:13,679 --> 01:53:20,800
tough part. But Ryan Ryan puts this back
to me when I'm back there behind him and

1109
01:53:18,880 --> 01:53:26,000
I I'm trying to get his motions, but
boy, he just he ignores them. I feel I

1110
01:53:24,239 --> 01:53:32,840
feel terrible.
No, that's all. Thank you.

1111
01:53:28,080 --> 01:53:32,840
» Thank you. Great. Nothing.

1112
01:53:33,599 --> 01:53:41,840
» Um, I'll just say that there's a tuxway
day coming on Saturday, August 22nd.

1113
01:53:39,119 --> 01:53:45,920
That will be at the fairgrounds this
time in Hendricks County Fairgrounds

1114
01:53:43,360 --> 01:53:51,760
entering 85. And then there's a
community shred happening Saturday,

1115
01:53:48,960 --> 01:53:58,719
October 22nd. That's going to be at the
Plfield Library.

1116
01:53:54,480 --> 01:54:04,239
That's it for me. New business 2027
budget introduction.

1117
01:54:01,440 --> 01:54:10,560
» It's just got a copy.
>> Okay.

1118
01:54:06,880 --> 01:54:16,800
I didn't Thank you. I'm getting
>> Oh, okay. I've got one. I've got one.

1119
01:54:14,320 --> 01:54:20,639
» Thank you. And good evening. I I told
you that in work session, we we've

1120
01:54:19,280 --> 01:54:25,599
actually been working on the budget
since May 11th. We've gone through about

1121
01:54:22,880 --> 01:54:32,080
eight different items. And what we're
showing then tonight or giving you

1122
01:54:27,920 --> 01:54:38,560
tonight is our usual uh step one which
is kind of giving you the trend of the

1123
01:54:35,199 --> 01:54:46,880
budget since 2021
and where we're paying the 27 total

1124
01:54:42,560 --> 01:54:51,760
budget by each fund. Okay. Now, you
might notice you've got a brand new

1125
01:54:49,520 --> 01:54:56,880
fund, and you might say, "Well, where
did the building and construction fund

1126
01:54:54,080 --> 01:55:01,119
come from?" And did you and Ryan just
decide to do a new fund? Well, obviously

1127
01:54:59,199 --> 01:55:07,599
we didn't because Julie would have had
something to say about that. The state

1128
01:55:03,520 --> 01:55:13,599
of Indiana uh believes that actually the
builders association believes that uh

1129
01:55:11,040 --> 01:55:19,440
most municipalities are making any kind
of money off of building and peries.

1130
01:55:16,639 --> 01:55:24,880
Well, I haven't found one yet. I'm still
looking for the county or city and Jan

1131
01:55:22,080 --> 01:55:30,080
maybe you saw some but I don't know
anybody that's making a ton of money.

1132
01:55:26,639 --> 01:55:36,320
And so they required us now effective
127 to set up a brand new fund. And so

1133
01:55:33,920 --> 01:55:41,119
that's what we've done here with the
635,000.

1134
01:55:38,320 --> 01:55:47,760
Now that's not the total budget. It's
more like 900,000. So we've had to keep

1135
01:55:43,840 --> 01:55:53,119
some of it in the general fund
because and that's what the footnote

1136
01:55:50,239 --> 01:55:58,639
says down there if you can read it. Uh
but what we've said is that it's going

1137
01:55:55,360 --> 01:56:02,880
to take basically on January 1st, we're
not going to have any revenue. Okay? And

1138
01:56:01,199 --> 01:56:09,440
so we're going to have to pay some of
the starting starting numbers out of the

1139
01:56:06,639 --> 01:56:13,280
general fund. Now, what we've made the
suggestion, and Hendricks County is

1140
01:56:11,360 --> 01:56:19,360
doing this too with their building and
planning is that from from here on out,

1141
01:56:16,639 --> 01:56:24,880
they're taking their money that they
collect on building and permit and

1142
01:56:21,679 --> 01:56:29,280
putting it into this new fund. I am
suggesting that's probably what we

1143
01:56:26,880 --> 01:56:35,360
should do. So not put it in the general
fund, but now start transferring it by

1144
01:56:32,480 --> 01:56:40,800
resolution subject to a resolution. So
that Julie's just not doing it because

1145
01:56:37,840 --> 01:56:46,320
she wants to with council's approval.
And so we would then fund that like

1146
01:56:44,400 --> 01:56:50,480
September, October, November, December
and hopefully have a beginning balance.

1147
01:56:48,400 --> 01:56:55,119
We may have still a negative in that
fund that we'll have to make up, but

1148
01:56:52,960 --> 01:57:00,480
ultimately we want to get all the
expense in there, get all the revenue in

1149
01:56:57,840 --> 01:57:04,880
there, and then if it takes refilling it
with some other revenue, you know,

1150
01:57:03,119 --> 01:57:11,360
that's what we're going to have to show
because they're going to come back and

1151
01:57:07,199 --> 01:57:14,719
say either see you uh are making a lot
of money or they're not going to say

1152
01:57:12,960 --> 01:57:21,440
anything and you're going to say this
was a huge waste of money. Okay. It's

1153
01:57:18,000 --> 01:57:26,560
kind of like when we created the LIT
general fund on the county level and

1154
01:57:24,480 --> 01:57:31,840
that went away about three years because
it was a huge pain and wasn't worth it.

1155
01:57:29,119 --> 01:57:37,280
So, so we've got some of the about
300,000 within the general fund. We've

1156
01:57:34,800 --> 01:57:43,920
also then given you the updated fund
balances. Keep in mind income. Uh

1157
01:57:41,440 --> 01:57:48,480
Julie's been doing a fine job and we're
getting a lot of interest income, but

1158
01:57:45,920 --> 01:57:52,800
that's really what built up our cash
balance along with what I call the

1159
01:57:50,480 --> 01:57:59,520
pennies of from heaven, which is the
supplemental width that drops in. And so

1160
01:57:56,000 --> 01:58:05,119
we peg the general fund at 106.
And as you can see with the MVH, we've

1161
01:58:02,560 --> 01:58:12,000
got the MVH restricted and or
unrestricted and restricted, the 2

1162
01:58:07,599 --> 01:58:18,000
million 150, the 450, the LRS keeping it
the same. And and by the way, you know,

1163
01:58:15,199 --> 01:58:25,760
we we do believe that we'll be made
whole with the gas tax. And so, you

1164
01:58:21,679 --> 01:58:31,760
know, from this the quote surplus and so
everybody's depending on that and we're

1165
01:58:27,760 --> 01:58:37,960
keeping the budgets of expecting that
money to come in and I think you even

1166
01:58:33,599 --> 01:58:37,960
got some of it. Sure.

1167
01:58:38,239 --> 01:58:46,159
» Pardon? How much are we expecting to do?
>> I don't think we've I don't know if

1168
01:58:43,840 --> 01:58:51,560
we've got a tally on what we've lost so
far. Do you

1169
01:58:48,400 --> 01:58:51,560
» know that?

1170
01:58:54,159 --> 01:59:00,480
» Yeah. The amount that we're not getting
in gas tax right now because of

1171
01:58:59,840 --> 01:59:04,800
» um
>> we have to get you that.

1172
01:59:01,760 --> 01:59:09,440
» Yeah. We can look up like 70 something.
It was like 79

1173
01:59:08,320 --> 01:59:14,159
» that in total.
>> Yeah.

1174
01:59:10,960 --> 01:59:20,800
So, um, the municipal sir tax and wheel
tax obviously that's new was new for 26

1175
01:59:18,159 --> 01:59:24,320
and we've got it pegged now and and
we've got a better handle on the

1176
01:59:22,719 --> 01:59:30,159
revenue. remember they were
gueststimations at the time. All the way

1177
01:59:27,199 --> 01:59:38,000
down there's our new lane miles which
we're expecting to use that money as the

1178
01:59:33,119 --> 01:59:44,000
GR as the grant match for the CCMG
along with the wheel tax too. And we we

1179
01:59:41,440 --> 01:59:50,080
talked about budgeting that specifically
for the grant match so that we can say

1180
01:59:46,880 --> 01:59:55,679
your local dollars that you're paying in
are paying two for$1 dollars. is

1181
01:59:52,560 --> 02:00:01,119
building $2 of roads for every dollar we
use. So that's awesome. And and it's

1182
01:59:58,320 --> 02:00:06,880
being spent now you've got it where it's
being spent here in Avon. So that's

1183
02:00:04,560 --> 02:00:14,400
really awesome.
CCI, CCD, we left those fairly close to

1184
02:00:10,719 --> 02:00:19,440
the same. Food and beverage, uh we did
we're keeping that the same. We do have

1185
02:00:17,280 --> 02:00:27,199
uh fine support for the bonds out of
that. Um so the bonds are not at risk in

1186
02:00:23,360 --> 02:00:32,080
any way, shape or form. Our um
parks and recreation fund, we're

1187
02:00:29,679 --> 02:00:38,400
depending on those dollars coming in
around 1 million of user fees, I

1188
02:00:34,560 --> 02:00:43,599
believe, right? And so those are are are
building up a little slow, but we're

1189
02:00:40,560 --> 02:00:49,440
we're hoping that that will continue.
Riverboat, we don't really do much with

1190
02:00:46,639 --> 02:00:56,560
roundabout yet. And then the rest of
them on down are pretty insignificant

1191
02:00:53,280 --> 02:01:03,040
other than the storm water. Again, we
were reconciling the first half of

1192
02:00:59,199 --> 02:01:09,520
revenue and reigning anytime we thought
that revenue was not sufficient to

1193
02:01:05,920 --> 02:01:14,800
support these levels and things like the
rainy day fund 250,000.

1194
02:01:12,800 --> 02:01:21,040
You know, I can tell you at the work
group. I swam here from Rushville

1195
02:01:17,199 --> 02:01:26,639
yesterday and so u you know they
sometimes some things happen and you

1196
02:01:24,320 --> 02:01:32,800
know tornadoes hit hit. We've had
catastrophic floods. This money is is

1197
02:01:29,920 --> 02:01:38,480
pinpointed for emergency only. But if
that happened to you yesterday, you

1198
02:01:35,360 --> 02:01:42,800
could be using it today. So it's already
appropriated would be already

1199
02:01:39,920 --> 02:01:47,440
appropriated and set aside. So, that's
kind of a rundown. What uh we're doing

1200
02:01:45,440 --> 02:01:51,920
now with Ryan is we've met with the
police chief and that went real well.

1201
02:01:49,760 --> 02:01:57,040
We've met with parks and things like
that. We're building the individual

1202
02:01:54,000 --> 02:02:01,199
department outline budget up to this
amount. And you know, and that this

1203
02:01:59,520 --> 02:02:06,480
gives the department heads a little
understanding that, you know, we're not

1204
02:02:03,679 --> 02:02:12,320
able to fund things a million dollars
more. So we all have to kind of share

1205
02:02:09,199 --> 02:02:16,880
those dollars in that we're going to be
increasing the budget. So that kind of

1206
02:02:15,119 --> 02:02:24,360
gives us an understanding of where we
can allocate and share.

1207
02:02:19,599 --> 02:02:24,360
So Ryan, anything you think I missed?

1208
02:02:26,480 --> 02:02:33,920
Okay.
questions from council again. Step one

1209
02:02:30,239 --> 02:02:37,440
of many steps to go
on that building and construction

1210
02:02:35,920 --> 02:02:42,159
account
fund. You said that we were going to

1211
02:02:39,199 --> 02:02:45,840
move some money from our fees and
permits and stuff. What number we have

1212
02:02:44,560 --> 02:02:49,760
now?
>> Well, there's nothing in there now

1213
02:02:47,119 --> 02:02:53,440
because the fund so our attorneys will
be drafting the resolution for you guys

1214
02:02:51,199 --> 02:02:57,440
to create the funds. Once the funds
created, then we can start transferring

1215
02:02:55,040 --> 02:03:04,080
money. But currently we're bringing in
about $600,000 a year in planning and

1216
02:03:01,679 --> 02:03:09,040
building permit fees.
And so that's why it's based on 635. You

1217
02:03:07,360 --> 02:03:14,639
guys amended the fees. So we think we'll
bring in a little more than the 600 next

1218
02:03:10,880 --> 02:03:18,159
year, but that is a loss of $600,000 in
revenue in the general fund though as

1219
02:03:16,480 --> 02:03:23,920
well. So you're really moving in
between. And there's a net of still 300.

1220
02:03:22,239 --> 02:03:27,280
Correct. And so when you guys actually
see when we do the general fund

1221
02:03:25,280 --> 02:03:31,280
presentation at the next meeting, you'll
notice that several employee salaries

1222
02:03:29,440 --> 02:03:37,119
from planning building are actually now
in my budget because

1223
02:03:35,040 --> 02:03:41,440
they didn't necessarily fit the purpose
of the building and construction. So

1224
02:03:39,199 --> 02:03:45,840
like our code enforcement officer, what
he's doing doesn't necessarily isn't

1225
02:03:43,760 --> 02:03:50,400
being covered by those fees. We need to
show a direct correlation between those

1226
02:03:47,520 --> 02:03:56,719
fees and covering the actual costs. Same
with the administrative assistant or the

1227
02:03:52,960 --> 02:04:01,440
receptionist. I moved that position into
the town manager's budget. So, we were

1228
02:03:59,920 --> 02:04:08,480
subsidizing
that department with around $330,000

1229
02:04:05,760 --> 02:04:11,840
of of general fund money or property tax
dollars to fund that whole department.

1230
02:04:10,800 --> 02:04:15,760
So, it's going to look a little
different when when you guys see it when

1231
02:04:13,679 --> 02:04:20,320
we do the general fund presentation. And
by the way, at most of the legislative

1232
02:04:18,159 --> 02:04:25,119
conferences, this was not covered. the
the guidance from state board accounts

1233
02:04:22,480 --> 02:04:29,599
has been pretty limited but and
everybody thought they had to do it July

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02:04:27,199 --> 02:04:36,159
one then state board accounts came out
and said no that's not practical it's

1235
02:04:31,760 --> 02:04:43,440
January one and so it was kind of a big
surprise and again I think it's a lot of

1236
02:04:39,840 --> 02:04:49,760
effort for nothing but we got to do it
and we want to we want to try it this

1237
02:04:45,840 --> 02:04:56,239
way for 27 if we can move over all all
the expenses in 28. You want to do that

1238
02:04:52,639 --> 02:05:01,440
because like I told you, someone will
they'll take your annual report and

1239
02:04:58,639 --> 02:05:06,560
they'll run an analysis on it when they
after they do the audit and they'll say

1240
02:05:03,760 --> 02:05:13,520
if you have 250,000 in there we'll say
see they're overcharging.

1241
02:05:08,880 --> 02:05:18,880
So stay stay tuned for that.
>> Yes sir. Well, I agree with what Fred

1242
02:05:16,400 --> 02:05:23,920
says. The analysis is going to show that
the taxpayers of the town are

1243
02:05:20,639 --> 02:05:28,080
supplementing new homeowners.
That's what it's going to show. And the

1244
02:05:26,159 --> 02:05:32,800
builders don't pay that cost. They pass
that money to the sale of the home. So,

1245
02:05:30,560 --> 02:05:36,320
I'm not sure what their complaint is.
That's what it's going to show. It's

1246
02:05:34,080 --> 02:05:41,280
going to show that existing taxpayers
supplement new homeowners.

1247
02:05:39,440 --> 02:05:45,280
And I think that's that's what the data
is going to show. So then the data

1248
02:05:43,760 --> 02:05:50,880
should if you're driving policy with
data then we should raise our fees again

1249
02:05:48,239 --> 02:05:54,560
right so the taxpayers are not
supplementing that but that is what

1250
02:05:53,599 --> 02:05:59,599
you're going to be talking to your
legislators and I think that the stark

1251
02:05:57,280 --> 02:06:02,960
reality is different than the narrative
you should be prepared to you know

1252
02:06:01,760 --> 02:06:08,239
confront them with the fact
>> and and Dan as you know in the law you

1253
02:06:05,040 --> 02:06:10,400
can only raise your fees once in five
years

1254
02:06:08,800 --> 02:06:15,599
» it's the current law see that's why it's
a dumb law Because prior law said you

1255
02:06:13,440 --> 02:06:19,840
cannot have a fee which exceeds your
cost of delivery of services. That made

1256
02:06:17,920 --> 02:06:24,719
sense to everyone. Well now what they've
done is they've said you can't even have

1257
02:06:22,480 --> 02:06:29,679
a fee that covers your cost of services
because we actually think that you're

1258
02:06:26,639 --> 02:06:34,639
making money. It's not a fact-driven
conversation. When it is a fact-driven

1259
02:06:32,480 --> 02:06:37,040
conversation, we can get back to the way
it was. But you guys are going to need

1260
02:06:36,079 --> 02:06:41,520
to be adding this
>> because let's face it, if you do one

1261
02:06:39,040 --> 02:06:46,000
raise in one five years, you know, you
would like to give your employees 3%

1262
02:06:43,599 --> 02:06:51,599
raise maybe or 2% raise each and every
year, you'll be behind the eight for

1263
02:06:49,040 --> 02:06:55,679
your legislators are telling you that
they want your tax to they want all the

1264
02:06:53,599 --> 02:06:59,760
citizens of Bayon to pay for the new
houses.

1265
02:06:57,520 --> 02:07:03,360
That's what they're saying. That's
what's going to happen. So, we should

1266
02:07:02,159 --> 02:07:09,199
protest that.
>> I agree.

1267
02:07:05,440 --> 02:07:16,280
So summary or questions on what we've
done here on high level and you'll be

1268
02:07:11,360 --> 02:07:16,280
getting all the great details soon.

1269
02:07:17,040 --> 02:07:23,840
» Thank you. Any other questions? Okay.
Thank you.

1270
02:07:22,000 --> 02:07:28,079
To make this another quick reminder,
this was first step in the process. your

1271
02:07:26,400 --> 02:07:32,079
your first your second meeting in
August, August 27th, we're going to

1272
02:07:29,920 --> 02:07:37,119
present the general fund with the
detailed information and then the first

1273
02:07:35,040 --> 02:07:40,560
meeting in September, we'll present the
non- general fund and then you'll still

1274
02:07:39,520 --> 02:07:46,280
have another discussion the second
meeting in September and then budget

1275
02:07:42,079 --> 02:07:46,280
adoption is first meeting in October.

1276
02:07:47,520 --> 02:07:54,880
Okay, moving on to ordinance final
reading 2026-10

1277
02:07:51,440 --> 02:07:59,679
authorizing the bond series 2026
for the LAR.

1278
02:07:57,760 --> 02:08:04,320
» Yes, this ordinance is final reading on
the ordinance which establishes the

1279
02:08:01,440 --> 02:08:09,840
authority for the bonds to be issued.
As I explained last time, this is uh

1280
02:08:06,960 --> 02:08:18,400
anticipated to be $5.35 million in
developer purchase bonds for the LAR

1281
02:08:14,400 --> 02:08:22,159
phase 2 project. The bond establishes
not only the authority to issue bonds

1282
02:08:19,920 --> 02:08:27,119
but also with the parameters of the
bonds authority. With approval of bonds,

1283
02:08:25,280 --> 02:08:32,000
you also be approving two other
documents that are also in your packet.

1284
02:08:29,440 --> 02:08:36,880
The first supplemental trust and venture
and the trust and venture is like the

1285
02:08:33,760 --> 02:08:42,639
mortgage on the bond. Uh it's an
agreement with the town and ARJ will be

1286
02:08:39,840 --> 02:08:46,880
the trustee. Uh and also then the first
supplemental financing agreement and the

1287
02:08:44,880 --> 02:08:50,400
financing agreement just is the
underlying agreement between the

1288
02:08:48,400 --> 02:08:56,760
developer and the town as to how the
funds could be used for the issuance.

1289
02:08:52,719 --> 02:08:56,760
I'd be happy to answer questions.

1290
02:09:00,320 --> 02:09:05,800
No discussion. We'll entertain a motion.

1291
02:09:08,800 --> 02:09:19,360
» A motion that we approve the 2026-10
authorizing sponsors 2026b

1292
02:09:15,599 --> 02:09:22,360
for the book two project as presented.
Second

1293
02:09:23,599 --> 02:09:29,639
I'll defer to Jason in a second. I'll be
the third though.

1294
02:09:33,520 --> 02:09:37,400
» Jason bucket
>> four

1295
02:09:37,679 --> 02:09:44,159
legal council report.
>> Nothing tonight. Thank you.

1296
02:09:41,840 --> 02:09:49,840
» Second of the two publications or
comment periods. you'd like to come

1297
02:09:46,159 --> 02:09:52,840
forward. Same rules applies your name
address.

1298
02:09:54,000 --> 02:10:00,679
No one hurrying up the speaker. So,
we'll move on to council comment.

1299
02:10:02,560 --> 02:10:08,960
No one talking.
>> Uh yes. So, as a reminder, we did talk

1300
02:10:07,440 --> 02:10:16,800
about at the work session. Your next
meeting uh is August 27th. We will have

1301
02:10:12,480 --> 02:10:22,320
an executive session at 5:30 followed by
um the town council meeting at 7 PM and

1302
02:10:20,000 --> 02:10:31,639
then there's one other date to celebrate
and that is Don Lad's birthday tomorrow

1303
02:10:26,639 --> 02:10:31,639
on the 14th. So happy birthday Don