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Recording in progress.

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Calling to order the city council, the Bainbridge

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Island city council study session of Tuesday, April 21st, 2026. All seven council members are here

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and the interim city attorney and assistance, sorry, the interim city manager and the assistant

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city attorney. Clerk, would you please call the roll? Yes, thank you. Christine Brown, city clerk,

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please state for the record if you're present after I call your name. Mayor Moriwaki. Present.

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Deputy Mayor Hightopolis, present.

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Council Member Matthews, present.

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Council Member Fenroy Johnson, present.

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Council Member Nelson, present.

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Council Member Lant, present.

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Council Member Snyder, present.

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Thank you.

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Could we have a motion to approve the agenda?

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I move approval tonight's study session agenda is presented.

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Second.

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May I, staff would like to remove item D as our climate manager is sick today and can't present the climate action plan.

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We'd like to defer that for one week if we may.

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All right but I will offer my motion as amended. Seconded as amended. Great. All

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right. Any discussion? All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Motion carries

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unanimously. All right. Any conflicts of interest to declare?

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Seeing none we'll

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move on to regular business. First item up is 3A received presentation of the

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2023 greenhouse gas inventory report. Good evening Council. Ellen Troyer

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interim city manager and I'll just say a few words to introduce this item. I am really disappointed

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that our climate manager is not here today as she has done a lot of work to bring this to us

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but we'll be receiving a presentation from the consultants from Cascadia who did this work for

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us. Reducing the cities and the communities greenhouse gas emissions is a primary goal of

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our climate action plan. We last completed an update and received a report in 2019 using

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2018 data. So this report gives us a chance to update and see how we're doing. If you

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have a plan, it's important to measure and check and that's what we're doing right now.

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Our consultants are online and we'll be ready to present the findings and can take questions

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at the end and also have a presentation to make. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Okay. Can everyone hear me okay?

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Yes, we can. Thank you.

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Okay.

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Hi, good evening council members. Thank you for allowing me to present the results of the 2023 greenhouse gas emissions inventory.

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I do have a presentation.

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Let me see if I can share it.

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We go.

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Right.

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Can everyone see that? Okay.

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Yes, we can.

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Perfect. Great.

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So my name is Andrea Martin with Cascadia Consulting Group.

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I led this effort, the greenhouse gas inventory update.

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I also was involved in the city's last greenhouse gas inventory in 2014 and 2018.

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So it was really great to be back and see how you all are doing in terms of making progress on emission reductions.

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I wanted to introduce my colleague, Haley Weinberg, who is also involved in this effort

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and will be helping to answer any nitty-gritty detailed questions you all might have about

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this analysis.

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All right.

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So first, just provide an overview of the objectives of this study and the methodology.

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So, as I mentioned, the objective was largely to provide an update of greenhouse gas emissions

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for Bainbridge Island.

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We conducted two different types of inventories, one that focused on Bainbridge Island's municipal

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government operations-related greenhouse gas emissions, and then another that looked

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at emissions from the broader Bainbridge Island community.

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And this update was for calendar year 2023.

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The reason why there's a little bit of a lag is because some of the key data sources that are needed are often on a time lag.

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So that was the latest year that was available when we started this effort.

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Another objective was to understand not just where you all are at now in terms of emissions but how emissions have been changing over time.

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And so one way that we analyze that is through what's called a contribution analysis.

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And that is a quantitative way to break down emission trends into different drivers.

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So that was another component of this that I'll share with you today.

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But overall, the goal here is really to just get a better understanding of emission sources,

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how those emission sources are changing over time, and use that information to inform

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climate action planning and implementation of the climate action plan.

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So I mentioned that there are two types of inventories that are included here,

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the community inventory that quantifies the missions that are generated within a

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community's geographic boundaries from those community members, so it includes

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residents on Bainbridge Island, businesses on Bainbridge Island, and and then

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also missions that are coming directly from activities of those community

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members. And then we also have a government operation inventory. This is

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It's often a subset of the community inventory and often a pretty small subset that's really

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just looking at city of Bainbridge Island government operations related emissions.

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So those are generated from activities that are really under the local government sphere

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of influence.

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So those two inventories were the focus of this effort.

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I also just want to acknowledge that there's another type of inventory that can be done

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and called a consumption-based inventory

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that's a bit more comprehensive

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and attempts to look at both direct and indirect emissions

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that are being generated by a community

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regardless of location.

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and upstream emissions associated with the goods

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and services that are consumed by community members,

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for example.

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So that wasn't within the scope of what we did here.

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we were looking at the community and government operations inventories that

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are indicated with those orange arrows.

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In terms of methodology, there are standard

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protocols that are available for this type of work. They were used for the

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previous inventories that were done in 2014 and 2018 as well. Those are the

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US Community Protocol for Accounting and Reporting of Greenhouse Gas

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Emissions, the Global Protocol for Communities Fail Greenhouse Gas

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inventories in the local government operations protocol. We use an inventory platform, again,

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consistent with what was used for 2014 and 2018 called ClearPath, and that platform follows the

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guidance of those protocols. So that was the overall approach and methodology. I'm going to go into

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the specific emission sources that were included in this inventory at a moment,

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But overall, just want to mention that our intent was to be as consistent as possible

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with the previous inventories that were done, just to make sure we're having a good apples

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to apples comparison of how emissions are changing over time.

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There were a couple instances where we made updates to the methodology to improve accuracy.

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One of those was around fuel oil and propane, and another was around solid waste.

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So I just wanted to note we use the same approaches for previous years with a couple exceptions,

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but where there were exceptions, we retroactively updated the past ones as well to make sure

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you maintain that apples-to-apples comparison over time.

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In terms of what emission sources are included, I wanted to include these two visuals that

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show what emission sources are often included or can be included in these different inventories

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and then how those are often referred to or organized.

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Often we organize them into what are called scopes, one, two, and three.

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And those are meant to represent how kind of directly those emissions are attributable

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to an organization or a community.

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So on the left-hand side, this graphic shows emissions sources in SCOPE 1, SCOPE 2, and

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3 from government operations inventories that you can see.

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SCOPE 1 includes emissions from agency-owned vehicles.

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For example, fuel combustion like natural gas or propane or fuel oil from buildings.

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Scope two includes purchase electricity for use within your government buildings.

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And then scope three can include things like employee business travel, waste generation

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and disposal from government facilities, employee commute travel, for example.

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And then we have a similar graphic here for the community-wide inventory.

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So this also has scope one, scope two, and scope three.

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Some of the emission sources that can be included here in scope one are things like, again, stationary fuel consumption.

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But this would be in like residential buildings, commercial buildings, for example, in boundary transportation.

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So, passenger vehicles or freight vehicles that are traveling within the geographic boundary

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of the island can include agriculture, forestry, and other land use from land within the island's

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geographic boundary, industrial process and product use, and any inboundary waste

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or wastewater that is produced and treated within that boundary.

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Like the government operations, we also include grid supplied energy.

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In this case, grid supplied electricity from Puget Sound Energy.

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And then within scope three, we can include things like out of boundary waste and wastewater.

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So if there's waste that's produced within the island that's then transported to a separate

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location off island, you know, like a landfill, for example, it would account for emissions

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from the waste that is being transferred to that landfill.

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It also can include things like transmission and distribution.

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you get some losses along the way,

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and that produces emissions, so it can count for that.

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is another example of what can be included.

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I think the big one here is air travel, so as Baymard Island residents fly in and of SeaTac,

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for example, it would account for emissions associated with that air travel.

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So those graphics showed what can be included. This slide shows what we did include in these

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inventories. Again, we intended to just be consistent with past inventories, so this

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is consistent with those sources that were included in 2014 and 2018. So it includes

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building energy, residential, commercial, industrial electricity, fuel oil, and propane.

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We include emissions from on-road vehicles, so that includes passenger and freight vehicles

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that are driving within the geographic boundary of the island. Any off-road equipment,

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lawn equipment or construction equipment,

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public transit, ferries, and air travel, as I mentioned.

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Within solid waste and wastewater treatment,

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we included emissions associated with commercial composting

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and landfilling of waste that's generated from residents

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and businesses within the island.

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land. We also code emissions from wastewater treatment and septic systems on the island.

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We estimated emissions from the leakage of refrigerants from like vehicles and buildings

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used for cooling. And then we also looked at agriculture emissions from enteric fermentation,

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which is emissions directly coming from livestock and as well as management of manure on

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agricultural lands. For the government operations inventory, we looked at buildings and facilities

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owned and managed by the city of Bambridge Island. So that includes electricity, sources,

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facilities, streetlights, traffic signals, propane use within those facilities. We looked

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at fleet vehicles, off-road fleet equipment that's owned by the city, and then we also

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look at employee commute. We also looked at solid waste and waste water that are generated

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by city government activities and emissions associated with those as well as refrigerants

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from buildings and fleet vehicles.

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Okay, so that's all the methodology now to dive

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into what we found. So starting with community-wide emissions, this pie chart shows a breakdown

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of emission sources for the 2023 community-wide inventory.

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So you can see here that the largest sources

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are within residential electricity,

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which made up about a third of emissions.

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And then we have transportation sources,

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including air travel, which is about 20%,

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and armored vehicles, which are estimated around 14%.

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In terms of how this has been changing over time

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and compares to past years, this graph shows overall emissions with these stacked colored

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bar charts, and each of the different colors represents the different sources, and then

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these dots here show the per capita emissions trends.

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So you can see quickly that since 2014, there has been an overall decrease in both

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overall emissions and per capita.

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There's a 14% decrease in overall emissions and a 21% decrease in per capita.

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And the largest driver, and you can really see it visually here on the graph, is from

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the electricity sector.

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So that's the darker green and the lighter green here.

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And the largest driver of that is just the transition to cleaner electricity sources

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between those years.

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So we'll dive a little bit more into that in a moment.

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So diving more into each of these sectors in particular, this graph shows energy consumption

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in the community over time by different sectors and fuel sources.

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And then the dots here show how emissions have changed over time.

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So you can see here that overall energy consumption is increasing, residential electricity consumption

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increased 8%, non-residential electricity consumption increased about 1%, but overall

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emissions are decreasing over time.

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And so the reason for that is because the fuel mix from Puget Sound and Energy and

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And the electricity that is being consumed by buildings in Maybridge Island is getting

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cleaner.

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So there are two pieces to that.

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One is that they're just more renewable sources in PSC's fuel mix.

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Another is that PSC has an option for community members to participate in a green power program

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and you all have seen an uptick in participation in that program.

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So that has also contributed to the overall decrease in emissions that you're seeing.

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Diving into transportation, overall transportation emissions have increased over time.

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There are a couple of drivers contributing to that.

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VMT, so this graph is showing VMT.

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That's annual vehicle miles traveled for passenger vehicles and trucks.

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Overall VMT seems to be increasing over time.

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So it's increased 6% since 2014, and that can be somewhat expected with population growth

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as you have more people coming, you have more people who are going to be driving around.

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But one thing to note is, despite that VMT increase, on-road emissions have decreased

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over time.

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They decreased by 6% since 2014.

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So that is due to a transition to cleaner vehicles.

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So, as the community purchases and drives more fuel-efficient vehicles, electric vehicles,

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for example, those are going to drive down emissions.

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Aviation is a key driver of overall increases in this sector.

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So, they increased 49% since 2014.

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This is due primarily to an increase in fuel consumption reported by CTAC.

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we have a little methodology note here that these are estimated from those

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fuel consumption trends at CTAC and county level passenger surveys. So just

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want to note that these are this particular emission sector is pretty

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highly estimated. We estimate to the county level and then downscale from

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the county level to the city level. So you know there's not a survey that's

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being done of every Babers Island community member

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asking how much they flew that year and where they flew.

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We're deriving that from these different sources.

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So we're seeing overall increase in aviation emissions

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kind of across this region,

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kind of driven by these trends that we're seeing at CTAC.

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So solid waste is relatively a smaller proportion

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of overall emissions,

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but it's still important to

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to talk about and understand because local governments often have more direct control over

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solid waste trends and it's an important emission source to be tracking. So we included it here.

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Overall, you can see that we are seeing emissions increasing over time in this sector. There has been a notable increase in the

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composted waste tonnage,

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which is great because on a per ton basis compost produces fewer greenhouse gas emissions

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than landfill waste. And we're seeing some decreases overall in landfill waste tonnage

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as well in the single family sector, but we saw an increase in the multifamily and

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commercial landfill waste tonnage. So there are, you know, kind of some different forces

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happening here, but overall causing an overall emissions increase over time.

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So I mentioned that we also did some analysis on what's driving these overall emission trends.

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And we use a tool that can quantify various drivers of emission trends over time, including

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consideration of things like weather.

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So if it was a colder winter, for example, you're going to be more energy for heating

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in your home.

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It looks at changes in energy grid, population growth, per capita energy consumption, economic

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changes in fuel switching and how much each of these are driving the trend

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that you all see in your inventory over time. So this has got a waterfall chart

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and it breaks down those different drivers and quantifies them. So you can

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see the 2018 inventory on the left-hand side, the 2023 one on the right. So

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overall you're seeing a decrease over time. The drivers of emission increases

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are in the red and then drivers of decreases are in blue.

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So there are some kind of more minor drivers here

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like a colder winter that was in 2023

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that was driving emissions upward.

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There's been a growth in employment

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but then you can see by and far the big driver here

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has been that electricity and heating

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fuels mix transition, driving that decrease over time.

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So, in terms of takeaways, overall you are trending in the right direction.

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Emissions are decreasing over time.

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The majority of emissions are from that residential energy and transportation sectors.

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So, you know, those are important sectors to be focusing on and thinking about your

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climate action efforts.

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The largest changes that we saw were in the electricity sectors, a downward shift

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and then an air travel that was more of an upward shift.

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And then as I noted before, just important to note

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that some of these are estimated downscaled

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based on county level and that we also use downscaled data

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to estimate fuel oil and propane related emissions.

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All right, so I'll quickly go through these

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government operations emissions findings

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buildings, and then we will wrap. So for the government operations submissions, you can

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see it's a lot smaller proportionally to the whole community. 581 metric tons, about 0.3%

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of community-wide emissions. But we still think this is important to quantify because they

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are emissions that, you know, the city has more direct control over. So largest emission

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sources here were on-road vehicles and off-road equipment in the purple, an employee commute

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here too, and then also electricity use within buildings and facilities.

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We're overall seeing a really large emission reduction trend here, a percent decrease in

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emissions since 2014, and that has been driven largely by, again, that same transition

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to cleaner electricity so that darker green here you see the electricity and then also a

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reduction in fleet vehicle emissions from the city's owned vehicle fleet.

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So this is looking at

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buildings and facilities specifically so you can see energy use here has actually increased

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over time but emissions have decreased again due to the cleaner electricity and the city actually

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purchases green power for its facilities. So that has been the primary driver of this

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really drastic decrease that you see.

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And then within transportation we are seeing a

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reduction in both fuel consumption and then associated emissions. So you can see fuel

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consumption here in gallons and the purple bars and then the dots here show the emission

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trends over time. And this isn't shown in this graph but we also saw a 36% decrease

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and employee commuting emissions as well.

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In solid waste and wastewater, we are seeing a decreasing trend there as well, notably

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from landfill waste emissions associated with city activities, and then a slight uptake

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in wastewater treatment-related emissions.

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So overall takeaways here.

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Fleet vehicles contribute to the majority of emissions, and that source is decreasing

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over time.

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Facility electricity emissions decreased very substantially due to that green power

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purchase and employee commute emissions have also decreased likely due to

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mo-shift and more telework options that being available since the last

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inventory. And that's all I have.

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Thank you very much. Council, any questions or

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comments? Mayor Moriwaki. Thank you. Thank you, Deputy Mayor Hi-Tapas. And

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your thanks for your and and Haley your work on this report. Just a

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couple observations you noted that these cities really reduced and you know that

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was part of partially I saw the big jump in or reduction in the commuters from

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our city dropping and you explained that that's probably because of telecommuting

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and and other things that they don't have to use their vehicles come in to

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work.

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Yeah so the employee commute piece that I just mentioned that was

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specific to city employees, so City of Cambridge Island employee commuting.

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The larger community telework transition would have been captured in the on-road transportation

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sector.

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Thank you very much for watching this video and I will see you in the next video.

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And on your emissions trends, there's a huge drop from 2018 to now, and that's mostly because

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of our green power credits. That's correct. Yeah, so for the city government, for the

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buildings and facilities that are owned and managed by the city, the city purchases green

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power to essentially negate the emissions associated with those buildings and facilities, which

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is an option provided by Puget Sound Energy.

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A couple questions from me.

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On the community emissions chart, it was pretty amazing that air travel is the second highest

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next to regular vehicle stuff.

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And I'm glad you explained that you kind of did it from a table, but how do you

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come to that estimate of our island's population's use of air travel?

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Yeah, maybe Haley, do you wanna try and take that one?

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Yeah, absolutely.

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So it's a lot of downscaling, as Andrea mentioned,

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but essentially we get some passenger survey data

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from the airport itself,

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and they also provide us with fuel consumption.

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So we'll take the total fuel consumption

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and we'll use those surveys to separate anybody

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who's kind of on a layover,

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so we're only looking at flights directly

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into or out of CTAC,

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and then we also look at where people are coming from,

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they do surveys about who's kind of in the Puget Sound region, so we'll downscale down

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to like King, Kitsap, Pierce, Snohomish County. And then we downscale from the county level

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to Bainbridge based on households and household income, assuming that households who maybe

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make more have more ability to be flying more often. So it definitely is fairly downscaled,

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but it is an estimate, so.

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Yeah, it's a guesstimate though, right?

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Yeah, and just one final point.

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You mentioned that Puget Sound Energy,

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yeah, Puget Sound Energy,

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it's because they have a coal-fired plant

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that creates a lot of pollution,

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but the study, this is what I find interesting, is it?

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Yeah, they do, but we as an island are really low,

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and you mentioned a lot of electric vehicles,

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so I wonder how, we use the electricity,

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And so we're kind of punished because the utility is burning this fuel in Montana,

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and that's where the pollution is actually taking place.

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Yeah, so the electricity consumption within the community, the emissions associated with that electricity consumption

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is determined by the energy, different energy sources that are used to create that electricity.

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That's then, you know, kind of transmitted ultimately to the homes and businesses on the

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island.

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And so that's a standard approach that is taken for these types of inventories.

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And it is based on information provided by the utility and reported to the state in terms

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of their fuel mix.

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So Puget Sound Energy has been transitioning to more renewable energy

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sources and so that is reflected here in the decrease of emissions associated with each

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kilowatt hour of electricity that is consumed within the island.

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Thank you. Thank you, Deputy Mayor.

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Councillor Nelson.

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Thank you, Deputy Mayor.

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So first I just want to say thank you.

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Excellent work on this. I found it really interesting.

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I think it's quite

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topical on the eve of Earth Day.

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found it good.

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So just a few questions. First,

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am I reading it right then

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that you included some scope

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three emissions, but not all scope

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three emissions?

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Yes, that's

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Right, so we included the scope three emissions

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that we felt confident that we had data available for

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and that are more typically included

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in these types of inventories.

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Okay, and then I think given sort of the,

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I would say unwise largely repeal

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of the Inflation Reduction Act at the federal level

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and also sort of the trend in AI,

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where you're just using a lot of energy

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to cool data centers and what have you.

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I mean, I think this is really impressive,

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especially at the municipal level,

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it's 71% decrease, and then county wide at 14,

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but is there concern, I mean, you're in this industry,

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is there concern about potentially backsliding on this?

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Because a lot of this is driven by, you know,

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electricity and heating fuels mix,

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because I'm to understand there's now become increased demand for non-renewables

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and maybe you can speak to that a little bit.

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Yeah I mean there's no crystal ball

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right but so hard to tell you know how exactly this will be changing over time

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but I will say that there are some strong policies in Washington State that

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are contributing to the behavior that we're seeing and the trends that we're

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over time, so the Clean Energy Transformation Act or SATA is requiring electric utilities

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to be carbon neutral by 2030. Haley can probably correct me here. Okay. So that is definitely

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driving utilities to incorporate more renewables into their fuel mix. So there are some

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strong even though, you know, there are different things happening at the federal level, there

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are some policies at the state level that are helping to drive these trends.

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That's helpful.

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And then one more question.

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So, what does it look like if you combine the two?

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Because it's 14% down community-wide and then 71% down as far as the municipal level.

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And then I think the sort of larger question in my mind is, is it enough?

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And I mean that in a sense that we have a goal to reduce it, I think it's 90% by 2045, or is it 2044? 2045.

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And then also kind of the question of are we doing our part.

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I think what I've heard in general is that at this point it's very unlikely that we sort of globally reach that 1.5 degrees, you know, target from the Paris Agreement.

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And so are we doing our part towards it, I guess is my point, or question?

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I think that's a tough one to answer just by looking at the numbers.

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I think, you know, you all have your climate action plan and are working toward the goals in that plan.

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And that wasn't really in the scope of what we were doing to be kind of bringing that together.

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But, you know, I will say that, like I mentioned, you're trending in the right direction, which

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is good news.

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I can say that, you know, we do a lot of these inventories, not everyone is in that same situation

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of seeing trend in the right direction even.

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So, and, yeah, I think your point is that perhaps a lot of reductions we're seeing

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were maybe due to things outside of your control like the electricity mix.

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So, you know, are you doing your part within the city?

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Let's see, if I go back to... Maybe I'll share my screen again.

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And I just want to interrupt to say we will have an opportunity to be hearing from our climate action

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manager who is really the one who's going to be in a position to be able to give us a frank,

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I think, evaluation of how we're doing and what we need to do differently.

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I just want to point that out. We can't do that tonight because she's not feeling well,

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but we'll have the opportunity.

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Great.

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Yeah, just quickly showing, because I didn't mention

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all the pieces on here.

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But we do have some indicators of households

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and personal behavior and how that's changing over time

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in the island.

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And that seems to be generally trending

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in a good direction and for some of these metrics here.

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So, for example, decrease on remissions per mile, so as I mentioned, it looks like the

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community is purchasing and using cleaner vehicles over time.

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There's a decrease in commercial energy use per job, which seems a little abstract, but

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that is the way to kind of provide an indicator of kind of in a normalized way how energy

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use behavior is changing over time and that seems to be moving in a good

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direction. The waste generation per person is decreasing over time. So you

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know these are all indicators to me that that you're seeing some behavior

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changes that are happening within the community between these two inventory

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years and those are you know locally driven. So for what it's worth I will

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Well, thanks for your work on this, I appreciate it.

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Okay, Council Member Matthews.

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Thanks, Deputy Mayor.

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Thank you so much for your presentation.

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I'll just won't ask a couple questions that I think after Deputy Mayor's comment that probably will save.

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I won't steal any thunder for Laura.

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But so I was really interested in your comments on manure and greenhouse gas emissions through agricultural, through farming and agriculture.

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And then also, I had a question about the employee commute.

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It might be you or our interim city manager.

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When we talk about employee commute,

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were those city-owned vehicles,

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or are those just an employee's car

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going to and from work or to home?

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I wondered that.

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And then I was curious if any other employees

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besides our police, who I support,

469
00:40:35,770 --> 00:40:38,510
taking their cars home, take their vehicles home,

470
00:40:38,510 --> 00:40:39,530
just out of curiosity.

471
00:40:40,330 --> 00:40:42,870
So the city manager, you can probably answer that one.

472
00:40:43,970 --> 00:40:45,450
Sure, I can just jump in there.

473
00:40:45,650 --> 00:40:50,010
No, we don't have, we have only very limited take home vehicles for people other than our

474
00:40:50,010 --> 00:40:50,710
police officers.

475
00:40:51,790 --> 00:40:56,570
And then I think the commute is very different than it used to be.

476
00:40:56,710 --> 00:41:00,530
We didn't used to have telecommuting on a regular basis for most employees and certainly

477
00:41:00,530 --> 00:41:01,670
not before COVID.

478
00:41:02,010 --> 00:41:07,070
So the 2018 numbers wouldn't show very much telecommuting whereas now you are seeing

479
00:41:07,070 --> 00:41:10,930
the reduced number of people taking their personal vehicles to come to City Hall.

480
00:41:11,150 --> 00:41:18,110
Got it. Okay, that's a good one. And then just for my colleagues, I ride horses and spend

481
00:41:18,110 --> 00:41:24,570
a lot of time on a farm. And we have probably a building size composter. So if anyone is

482
00:41:24,570 --> 00:41:28,130
ever interested in coming to take a look at what that looks like and what it entails,

483
00:41:28,630 --> 00:41:34,190
the offer stands. It's pretty cool. And then so the last is at our last Puget Sound

484
00:41:34,190 --> 00:41:43,170
regional council meeting, we received a presentation from the Teardown Region's Comprehensive Climate

485
00:41:43,170 --> 00:41:45,190
Action Plan to guide regional climate action.

486
00:41:45,710 --> 00:41:49,150
And so we learned what was in the plan, how it was developed, and how strategies and actions

487
00:41:49,150 --> 00:41:50,910
can reduce greenhouse emissions.

488
00:41:51,490 --> 00:41:55,250
And at the end of it, they asked us a question that I was going to get you to do my homework

489
00:41:55,250 --> 00:41:55,690
for me.

490
00:41:56,110 --> 00:42:00,550
And so we were asked, in addition to funding, what would be most useful to our jurisdiction

491
00:42:00,550 --> 00:42:02,770
to make progress on emissions reductions.

492
00:42:03,930 --> 00:42:04,630
What would you say?

493
00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:13,850
I might punt that and say that Laura would be

494
00:42:13,850 --> 00:42:15,890
a great person to answer that question.

495
00:42:17,090 --> 00:42:18,170
Thank you so much.

496
00:42:18,830 --> 00:42:22,430
Because I see these numbers, but there's so much more,

497
00:42:22,850 --> 00:42:25,150
you know, to what's happening in the community

498
00:42:25,150 --> 00:42:28,410
beyond the numbers, and I know that she's more dialed

499
00:42:28,410 --> 00:42:28,750
into that.

500
00:42:28,810 --> 00:42:30,450
Yeah, I won't, wait for Laura.

501
00:42:30,870 --> 00:42:31,470
Thank you.

502
00:42:36,350 --> 00:42:40,450
Thank you, Deputy Mayor. Yes, and I suspect most of my questions will be

503
00:42:40,450 --> 00:42:45,450
punted to Laura too, because they are all kind of outside of the information you

504
00:42:45,450 --> 00:42:51,530
presented. I was very interested in these details you provided, and all they do

505
00:42:51,530 --> 00:43:00,430
is beg more questions, right? More. And so as far as just to piggyback on

506
00:43:01,090 --> 00:43:08,010
Council Member Matthews questions about manure and composted waste, perhaps I'm lumping those two together,

507
00:43:08,430 --> 00:43:15,330
but there was a 61% increase and that's also kind of a good thing if it's going to a good place.

508
00:43:15,590 --> 00:43:20,210
Do you happen to know where all of that waste is going, the composted waste?

509
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:25,450
I'm not sure if that was in the scope of your work at all.

510
00:43:25,750 --> 00:43:27,410
This is just a, you can punt that one.

511
00:43:29,010 --> 00:43:35,590
We should know, the question is, am I able to answer it right now, or have to get back

512
00:43:35,590 --> 00:43:35,830
to you.

513
00:43:35,950 --> 00:43:37,770
Haley, do you know that offhand?

514
00:43:38,690 --> 00:43:41,550
I don't know the name of the landfill off the top of my head, unfortunately.

515
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:46,610
No worries, and it's a landfill, so it's not a place that actually takes it in.

516
00:43:46,890 --> 00:43:47,850
You can put that.

517
00:43:48,090 --> 00:43:48,470
That's a lot.

518
00:43:48,770 --> 00:43:54,850
I'm pretty sure last thing, our waste that goes through, maybe just goes to North

519
00:43:54,850 --> 00:43:59,090
kits up for composting, but we can get an answer on it.

520
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:09,260
If you don't compost your waste through reemerge disposal, I mean that might be, I would love

521
00:44:09,260 --> 00:44:13,060
clarification on that, but all my other questions, I'll just jump over to that one because we

522
00:44:13,060 --> 00:44:18,280
can jump back into that, but all my other questions have to do with the regionality

523
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,480
of the information you provided.

524
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:28,480
You've been doing this for other municipalities and communities, and if you could tie this

525
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:36,520
information into what you're seeing around us, how best can we work together to not be

526
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:44,080
in a silo with this to work towards a trend that works for all of us regionally?

527
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:45,520
Do you have thoughts on that?

528
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:45,700
But

529
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:57,160
yeah, there are definitely a lot of efforts happening regionally and, you know, you mentioned

530
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,980
under, one of you, I can't remember, sorry.

531
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:08,260
Sorry, there was a mention of the Comprehensive Climate Action Plan that is being done regionally.

532
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:17,260
And those climate action plans that are funded by the EPA were intentionally regional in nature,

533
00:45:17,580 --> 00:45:25,280
and that is because the EPA acknowledged that regional action, coordinated action, is often

534
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:29,960
and more impactful than working kind of in individual silos

535
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:31,000
in terms of jurisdiction.

536
00:45:31,740 --> 00:45:37,800
So that is generally, I think, the direction

537
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,140
that many communities are heading is just

538
00:45:40,140 --> 00:45:43,180
acknowledging that regional is better

539
00:45:43,180 --> 00:45:46,620
and how can we work together for these kinds of efforts.

540
00:45:47,180 --> 00:45:48,980
There are some great models actually

541
00:45:48,980 --> 00:45:51,920
regionally in the Puget Sound for that kind

542
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:59,080
of collaboration. King County has the K-4C, which is a collaboration between the county

543
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:05,320
and a good number of the cities within the county where they have shared climate commitments

544
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:10,920
and they also have shared programming and even actually a shared inventory effort and

545
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:17,740
we support that inventory effort too. And then the east side cities Bellevue and

546
00:46:17,740 --> 00:46:26,900
and Rush Island and Redmond and others also have a coalition and they've been able to

547
00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:37,380
work with PSE and other partners to create shared regional programs for things like heat

548
00:46:37,380 --> 00:46:43,700
pump retrofits and I think that has been really powerful because as we all know like contractors

549
00:46:43,700 --> 00:46:45,880
For example, they're not just saying a wondrous restriction.

550
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:46,820
They're moving around.

551
00:46:47,660 --> 00:46:51,060
So having programs that are applicable across multiple

552
00:46:51,060 --> 00:46:53,720
registrations that are consistent across jurisdictions,

553
00:46:55,180 --> 00:47:00,040
you're just seeing a lot more opportunity for success

554
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:06,240
when you have those introduced regionally, power

555
00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:08,440
in numbers and consistency across jurisdictions

556
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,220
and all those other benefits that you get.

557
00:47:10,220 --> 00:47:13,660
So, hopefully that answers your question, to some extent.

558
00:47:14,240 --> 00:47:18,020
It does, but my big takeaway was consistent, which I like.

559
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:18,800
Thank you.

560
00:47:19,380 --> 00:47:19,820
Appreciate it.

561
00:47:23,390 --> 00:47:23,850
Council Motion.

562
00:47:24,690 --> 00:47:25,710
Thank you, Deputy Mayor.

563
00:47:26,570 --> 00:47:27,390
Thank you both.

564
00:47:27,710 --> 00:47:28,650
This is very exciting.

565
00:47:30,050 --> 00:47:32,450
It's really gratifying to see a decrease,

566
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:35,330
even if maybe we can't take credit for an awful lot of it.

567
00:47:36,850 --> 00:47:38,810
It's certainly better than going the other direction,

568
00:47:38,930 --> 00:47:39,090
right?

569
00:47:40,150 --> 00:47:54,010
So I had a, sort of to that goal, net metering and solar, the impact that our islands uptake

570
00:47:54,010 --> 00:48:01,550
on doing rooftop solar, is there a way to sort of deduct that or is it automatically deducted

571
00:48:01,550 --> 00:48:06,790
from the energy use that you're reporting on?

572
00:48:10,540 --> 00:48:14,780
I mean, if you understand a question, go for it.

573
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:22,500
Yeah, Haley, do you have anything you want to add to that in terms of the electricity

574
00:48:23,140 --> 00:48:26,400
consumption data and how solar might be taken into account?

575
00:48:28,330 --> 00:48:30,590
I don't think I necessarily have anything to add.

576
00:48:30,690 --> 00:48:35,470
I'm not sure that Puget Sound Energy splits that out for our main bridge data, but

577
00:48:35,470 --> 00:48:36,430
I can check really quick.

578
00:48:36,430 --> 00:48:47,730
Yeah, we get the electricity consumption data from Puget Sound Energy, and yeah, so

579
00:48:47,730 --> 00:48:54,730
any consumption that they are aware of, at least they provide to us with that number.

580
00:48:55,110 --> 00:49:02,330
And then I mentioned that you have the Green Power Program participation, which PSE accounts

581
00:49:02,330 --> 00:49:09,610
for separately and so we're able to deduct you know that the emissions

582
00:49:09,610 --> 00:49:17,710
associated with that so it's truly the zero emission green power so I guess

583
00:49:17,710 --> 00:49:23,330
that's what we can offer in terms of how how about this would be accounted for

584
00:49:23,330 --> 00:49:30,510
okay because that would be one way right of sort of seeing how the community is

585
00:49:30,510 --> 00:49:34,810
is impacting this in a more general way

586
00:49:35,310 --> 00:49:37,130
if we're able to deduct that

587
00:49:37,130 --> 00:49:38,790
or maybe it's already deducted

588
00:49:38,790 --> 00:49:42,510
and that's part of how the energy use is going down.

589
00:49:44,650 --> 00:49:48,190
Similarly, so also with the Puget Sound Regional Council

590
00:49:49,170 --> 00:49:51,590
as part of the Transportation Policy Board,

591
00:49:51,710 --> 00:49:56,170
we got also a download on the climate action plan.

592
00:49:56,710 --> 00:49:58,210
And if I'm not mistaken,

593
00:49:58,430 --> 00:50:00,170
I did not go back to verify my notes

594
00:50:00,170 --> 00:50:06,350
But I have it scribbled somewhere that the vehicle miles traveled overall in the four counties went up 20%

595
00:50:06,350 --> 00:50:08,470
But the per person

596
00:50:08,470 --> 00:50:11,470
Vehicle miles traveled went down 12%

597
00:50:11,470 --> 00:50:12,570
so

598
00:50:13,270 --> 00:50:16,330
That's a lot of going down right even though

599
00:50:16,930 --> 00:50:20,770
Overall, it's still going up because the area has more people

600
00:50:21,850 --> 00:50:24,950
So what I saw or thought think I saw is that

601
00:50:24,950 --> 00:50:28,350
Vehicle miles increased here on Bainbridge

602
00:50:30,650 --> 00:50:35,070
6%, and then the on-road emissions decreased 6%.

603
00:50:35,070 --> 00:50:43,130
So, you know, it sounds like that's a 12% decrease, maybe on a per mile, am I interpreting

604
00:50:43,130 --> 00:50:43,810
that correctly?

605
00:50:46,940 --> 00:50:51,560
And I'm just kind of wondering, you know, how we can go about looking at this, analyzing

606
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:53,180
it after the fact to see how we're doing.

607
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:05,160
VMT increased 6% and I can't remember what the population growth is. You can kind of

608
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:13,000
probably do the math. We don't have a per capita VMT change here noted, but you know we can

609
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:24,640
probably deduce that fairly quickly. I would say on a per capita basis I would say that

610
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:30,760
that VMT has stayed steady if not declined, consistent with what you have noted.

611
00:51:33,260 --> 00:51:40,340
And then when you also factor in the fact that vehicles are getting more efficient, you know,

612
00:51:40,420 --> 00:51:47,600
those are both contributing to, you know, kind of a decreasing force in emissions.

613
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:50,500
Does that answer your question?

614
00:51:51,340 --> 00:51:56,780
Yeah, I think so. So kind of what I hear is that we can't really deduce from this data

615
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,100
vehicle miles traveled per person.

616
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,780
We can. We can. We just don't have the stats in front of us.

617
00:52:04,900 --> 00:52:05,680
Gotcha. Okay.

618
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,300
Yeah, yeah. But I was just thinking, I was trying to think about, okay, what's the

619
00:52:09,300 --> 00:52:13,020
percent of population growth and how is that compared to this percent?

620
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:13,660
Right, right.

621
00:52:14,180 --> 00:52:15,800
To do some math on the fly here.

622
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:22,700
But I think a 6% increase in VMT is fairly modest, I would say,

623
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:24,120
like between those two years.

624
00:52:24,980 --> 00:52:28,740
And if I remember right, that percentage is kind of,

625
00:52:28,740 --> 00:52:31,760
it's fairly consistent with the population growth

626
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,740
that we saw between those years as well.

627
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,960
So that would indicate to me that per capita VMT, yeah,

628
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,000
is remaining fairly consistent,

629
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:42,620
if not decreasing over time.

630
00:52:42,700 --> 00:52:43,660
And I see Haley unmuted.

631
00:52:43,660 --> 00:52:49,780
so I might be able to provide more than my mental mass numbers in front of me actually.

632
00:52:50,700 --> 00:52:57,800
Per capita, BMC has declined by about 3 percent since 2014, and population has increased by

633
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:58,400
9 percent.

634
00:53:01,090 --> 00:53:01,250
Thank you.

635
00:53:01,350 --> 00:53:03,270
And so that's vehicle miles traveled.

636
00:53:03,570 --> 00:53:06,030
That's not efficiency and greenhouse gas.

637
00:53:06,950 --> 00:53:07,590
Correct.

638
00:53:07,790 --> 00:53:09,950
That's just miles traveled per person.

639
00:53:10,890 --> 00:53:11,530
Awesome.

640
00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:12,130
Okay.

641
00:53:12,130 --> 00:53:33,050
And then the last one you're probably going to punt but can our advisory committee, the climate change advisory committee with the help of our climate change staff person, can we pull out what has been impacted by our own efforts, right?

642
00:53:33,050 --> 00:53:40,050
So a lot of this has been impacted by state efforts and COVID.

643
00:53:42,310 --> 00:53:51,230
So do you think that we have the ability to pull out from this data what our efforts have resulted in?

644
00:53:53,620 --> 00:53:58,480
That's a great question. I think the simple answer is no, unfortunately.

645
00:54:00,180 --> 00:54:07,500
Typically, that's more of a ground up analysis where you look at program metrics, for example,

646
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:13,560
how many homes installed heat pumps, and then what's the energy reduction from that.

647
00:54:14,990 --> 00:54:19,520
It's really hard at the level of this analysis to be able to make that determination.

648
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:28,800
Okay, all right, but maybe we could still do it for the municipal emissions, right, just

649
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,380
from the government emissions.

650
00:54:30,700 --> 00:54:32,720
It seems like we might be able to drill down on that.

651
00:54:33,140 --> 00:54:34,660
Anyway, thank you very, very much.

652
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:36,240
This is very exciting.

653
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:38,360
Okay.

654
00:54:38,460 --> 00:54:39,220
I think we have a couple more comments.

655
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,760
I think I'll make the only comment that I was going to make other than, let's remember

656
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,760
that we'll have Laura and who knows if she was watching and she might be saying,

657
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:49,900
Gosh, I wish I was there and I have a feeling that our guests might wish she was here too

658
00:54:49,900 --> 00:54:50,500
to support them.

659
00:54:51,300 --> 00:54:58,460
I just wanted to add that on the topic of how much are we paying for gaining whatever reduction

660
00:54:58,460 --> 00:55:03,600
and reliance on coal and we want to remember the equity issue of the impacts on people

661
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:08,280
in Montana of coal strip, the severe health impacts of coal burning.

662
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,220
And so that's something that we're also getting that's not measured here in our

663
00:55:12,220 --> 00:55:17,600
reduction. So I just wanted to add that. But I believe the next was Councillor

664
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:22,560
Matthews and one more from Council Member Nelson. Okay, I'll be really quick

665
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:26,360
because this is quick. So I just wanted to speak a little bit to

666
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:30,660
collaboration and give a plug for what Laura is doing, Laura Reiser, if she's

667
00:55:30,660 --> 00:55:34,280
listening. So Bainbridge Island participates in an inter-county climate

668
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:38,680
partnership and thanks to Mike Cox and the audience as well. And among

669
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,240
It's Bainbridge Island, Baffle, Edmonds, Kenmore,

670
00:55:41,420 --> 00:55:43,880
Lake Forest Park, Shoreline, King, Kitsap,

671
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:44,960
and Snohomish County.

672
00:55:45,180 --> 00:55:48,180
So we are working towards some of those collaboration goals.

673
00:55:48,340 --> 00:55:51,900
And then I did send this presentation to council today.

674
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,280
But basically the Puget Sound Regents Climate Action Plan

675
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,140
Agency is proposing a program for ongoing regional

676
00:55:58,140 --> 00:55:59,740
collaboration on climate action.

677
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,180
And the objective is to achieve greenhouse gas

678
00:56:02,180 --> 00:56:04,540
reductions and coordination across four counties

679
00:56:04,540 --> 00:56:06,900
that maximize scale and leverage resources

680
00:56:06,900 --> 00:56:12,380
as well also supporting individualized needs, so if any of you have any other ideas or want

681
00:56:12,380 --> 00:56:17,920
to further comment, you can comment on the email and keep it moving that way.

682
00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:19,720
So thank you so much for your presentation.

683
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:21,140
Councilmember Nelson.

684
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:26,420
Yeah, just one other question, which is the last time we did this, did we also look

685
00:56:26,420 --> 00:56:28,120
at consumption-based inventories?

686
00:56:31,630 --> 00:56:37,250
We I think did a high level look at it.

687
00:56:37,250 --> 00:56:45,450
there's a tool that was available out of UC Berkeley that uses some demographic

688
00:56:45,450 --> 00:56:52,270
data to try and estimate what consumption might be. So yeah we there was a

689
00:56:52,270 --> 00:56:59,890
high-level estimate but it wasn't scaled up to the entire community level it

690
00:56:59,890 --> 00:57:03,870
was more looking at you know kind of an average household. Okay thank you.

691
00:57:06,830 --> 00:57:07,370
Great

692
00:57:07,370 --> 00:57:13,790
Thank you very much to both for the excellent presentation and bearing with us through our questions and comments. Hope you have a good evening

693
00:57:14,450 --> 00:57:16,130
Thank you so much

694
00:57:16,130 --> 00:57:23,190
Next up is item 3b discussed framework of an interlocal agreement with kids

695
00:57:23,190 --> 00:57:30,470
Kids of public utilities or I want to say KBD kids of public utility district related to water system coordination on Bainbridge Island

696
00:57:30,470 --> 00:57:36,950
Thank you, Council. Our next item is an introductory discussion to set the stage for a potential

697
00:57:36,950 --> 00:57:42,250
interlocal agreement between the city and our partners, Kitsap Public Utility District,

698
00:57:42,670 --> 00:57:47,810
describing a long-term approach to providing water services on Bain Ridge Island. We recognize

699
00:57:47,810 --> 00:57:52,270
that our organizations need to work together on this project. And tonight we'll talk

700
00:57:52,270 --> 00:57:59,590
about both a near-term desire on the south end and a longer-term project potentially

701
00:57:59,590 --> 00:58:02,750
on the north part of the island. I'll turn it over now to our Public Works Director,

702
00:58:03,270 --> 00:58:08,470
Chris Werzbicki, who will provide a couple more framework comments and then also welcome our

703
00:58:08,470 --> 00:58:10,910
colleagues from Kitsap Public Utility District who are here.

704
00:58:13,250 --> 00:58:14,730
Good evening Council. Chris Werzbicki,

705
00:58:14,850 --> 00:58:18,970
Public Works Director. Good to see you this evening. I'm not going to turn most of my

706
00:58:18,970 --> 00:58:23,130
time over to Kitsap Public Utility District to talk a little bit about some of the challenges

707
00:58:23,130 --> 00:58:27,130
and issues they're facing with the South Bambridge water system because I know we're

708
00:58:27,130 --> 00:58:30,910
all interested in what's happening there. But also I just wanted to give you a brief

709
00:58:30,910 --> 00:58:35,270
introduction of the framework for this interlocal agreement that we have set up for your review.

710
00:58:36,030 --> 00:58:41,450
Basically it just establishes the intentions of the agencies to work together on a number

711
00:58:41,450 --> 00:58:45,250
of kind of short-term and long-term potential issues.

712
00:58:45,670 --> 00:58:50,790
One of which is working together on the south bainbridge and intertide between those

713
00:58:50,790 --> 00:58:55,470
two systems, the city central system and the south bainbridge system owned by KPUD

714
00:58:55,470 --> 00:58:59,090
as well as potential inter ties or interconnections

715
00:58:59,090 --> 00:59:01,570
and additional coordination between systems

716
00:59:01,570 --> 00:59:03,650
in the central and northern parts of the island,

717
00:59:03,910 --> 00:59:05,450
which as we've discussed in the past,

718
00:59:05,570 --> 00:59:06,770
is kind of one of the long-term goals

719
00:59:06,770 --> 00:59:07,990
of our groundwater management plan.

720
00:59:08,610 --> 00:59:13,530
In addition, working together on conservation comprehensive

721
00:59:14,150 --> 00:59:16,910
and kind of consistent water conservation messages

722
00:59:16,910 --> 00:59:19,830
for all of our public water customers on the island.

723
00:59:20,510 --> 00:59:23,410
And so we did not put a lot of the details

724
00:59:23,410 --> 00:59:26,650
into this agreement it really it's intended to kind of lay out some

725
00:59:26,650 --> 00:59:31,550
parameters and then once the details of these particular issues become known

726
00:59:31,550 --> 00:59:35,870
then we would go back and amend this agreement for specific for moving

727
00:59:35,870 --> 00:59:40,370
forward on specific terms. I know it's a kind of a lot to digest in a single

728
00:59:40,370 --> 00:59:43,530
discussion this evening so our recommended motion for you this evening is

729
00:59:43,530 --> 00:59:46,950
to potentially consider moving this to the utility advisory committee for

730
00:59:47,570 --> 00:59:51,710
additional review and some recommendations for your future consideration. So with

731
00:59:51,710 --> 00:59:56,190
that. I'll turn it over to my colleagues at KPD, Angela Venick. Thanks so much.

732
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:06,340
Thank you. Thank you, Chris. Thank you, Ellen. Appreciate all the work that we have done together.

733
01:00:07,820 --> 01:00:16,360
And how do I advance right here? Never mind. All right. So here to talk about regional water

734
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:22,600
on Bainbridge Island. I'm going to go through some slides pretty quickly, just a little bit

735
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:30,520
about who we are and then get into the meat of what we're talking about here today.

736
01:00:31,420 --> 01:00:34,900
So Kitsap, PUD, we are 85 years old.

737
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:39,440
We are a public utility district really created for electricity.

738
01:00:40,180 --> 01:00:41,200
It didn't happen.

739
01:00:42,060 --> 01:00:45,740
And then about 50 years ago, we started providing water.

740
01:00:46,300 --> 01:00:50,960
And so we've been providing water throughout Kitsap County for over 50 years.

741
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:55,700
and serve now about 46,000 customers

742
01:00:56,520 --> 01:01:00,560
and have also added in this time,

743
01:01:01,100 --> 01:01:02,740
in 2015 we added sewer,

744
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:07,020
and then in 2003 actually we added telecommunications.

745
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:10,940
So we do all three utilities right now.

746
01:01:11,100 --> 01:01:14,700
We do water telecommunications and sewer services.

747
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,020
We currently have about 1,000 miles of fiber

748
01:01:18,020 --> 01:01:19,160
throughout the county

749
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:23,140
and own over 51 water systems.

750
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:30,300
Angela, could you get a little closer to the mic for especially for the benefit

751
01:01:30,300 --> 01:01:38,240
probably of people at home? Thank you. How's that? That's great. Better? Okay. So I

752
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:43,200
can't read that and this at the same time so I apologize for that. I'll look

753
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:51,580
down. Kitsap County we are a special purpose district with the whole

754
01:01:51,580 --> 01:01:59,980
of the county as our boundary and so because of that and because of our

755
01:01:59,980 --> 01:02:07,880
experience with water services doing this for so long we in the 90s worked

756
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:13,680
with the county when changes were made requiring counties to provide water

757
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:19,240
services as a provider of last resort the county didn't have those

758
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:25,420
expertise, but kids at PUD did. So they leaned on us not only for our operational but also

759
01:02:25,420 --> 01:02:31,480
for our technical expertise. And in 1994, we entered into a memo of understanding where

760
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:41,040
we took on those obligations to provide water services to entities, whether it's individuals

761
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:47,660
or groups that no longer had water or there was a problem with their water system

762
01:02:47,660 --> 01:02:57,540
and no one else was willing to step in the PUD will step in. In that also the

763
01:02:57,540 --> 01:03:04,800
county did designate us as a water the water resource manager and really looking

764
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:09,680
at how we would be the technical lead agency to look at water throughout the

765
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:14,440
county as a regional resource and that's how we've been chartered and

766
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:20,440
And that's really since the 90s have looked at that and focused on building regional infrastructure

767
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:27,560
similar to what climate regional engagement we're looking at regional as well.

768
01:03:28,820 --> 01:03:37,160
As with this also, this is when we began doing all of our stream and rain monitoring.

769
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:41,820
And so we capture all that data and we have a great collection of data for the county

770
01:03:41,820 --> 01:03:46,940
as a whole to really look at what we're dealing with, the climate change, how it's affecting

771
01:03:46,940 --> 01:03:51,520
us, what the different, you know, the five-year cycles we see, things like that.

772
01:03:54,680 --> 01:04:01,900
Okay, but the really meat of what we're here, Bainbridge Island, we have two really large

773
01:04:01,900 --> 01:04:04,540
systems on the island here.

774
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:08,420
We've got the North Bainbridge system and then we have the South Bainbridge system

775
01:04:08,420 --> 01:04:10,580
and the South Bainbridge is really what's driving us here.

776
01:04:10,580 --> 01:04:17,040
South Bainbridge began with the island utility system and South Bainbridge, those were consolidated

777
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:23,520
together. Bill Point is on this map, so I did leave it as separate, but it has been

778
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:28,860
recently consolidated into South Bainbridge as well. And then we are working with Department

779
01:04:28,860 --> 01:04:34,860
of Health on consolidating Harbour Crests and Rose Avenue at this time. And really

780
01:04:34,860 --> 01:04:41,680
the goal there from the Department of Health side of things is really reducing the number

781
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:46,240
of small systems that are out there and having larger entities to deal with so they don't

782
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:51,140
have as many different points to measure.

783
01:04:52,060 --> 01:05:00,020
We also have an intertie with the city of Bambridge Island to serve Rockway Beach and

784
01:05:00,020 --> 01:05:05,500
And that is in case of an emergency, we're able to provide water to that area should

785
01:05:05,500 --> 01:05:06,400
the city need it.

786
01:05:06,500 --> 01:05:11,480
And there was some times with the Taylor Well where there was rehabbing and we were able

787
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:13,100
to use that to provide services.

788
01:05:16,190 --> 01:05:24,370
We currently serve about 3,500 meters total on the island, which is 3,280 residents

789
01:05:24,370 --> 01:05:27,170
or 5,8 inch meters.

790
01:05:27,170 --> 01:05:33,190
meters. And five hs meters really comes into important, that number comes into play because

791
01:05:33,190 --> 01:05:39,110
that is considered with our calculations with Department of Health, one equivalent residential

792
01:05:39,110 --> 01:05:52,390
unit or one ERU. So when we look at ERUs, we have to calculate and we're determined

793
01:05:52,390 --> 01:05:55,950
and how many people we can serve or how many ERUs

794
01:05:55,950 --> 01:05:59,290
we can serve on a system based on a series of metrics.

795
01:05:59,870 --> 01:06:03,690
And those include the rights, the water rights we have,

796
01:06:03,930 --> 01:06:08,490
so how much water we can pump on any given day

797
01:06:08,490 --> 01:06:10,450
or over the course of a year total.

798
01:06:10,830 --> 01:06:12,610
Those are the rights from Department of Ecology,

799
01:06:13,310 --> 01:06:17,910
the source, what the well can actually pump.

800
01:06:17,910 --> 01:06:26,170
So, that source, so the amount we're actually pumping out of each well, the storage, the

801
01:06:26,170 --> 01:06:36,590
reservoirs and such, and then also the average peak usage of a ERU or of our 5.8-inch meter.

802
01:06:37,670 --> 01:06:45,150
So, we discovered just recently last year that our mirrors that were measuring the

803
01:06:45,150 --> 01:06:50,190
amount we were pumping out of the wells were reading incorrectly.

804
01:06:51,070 --> 01:06:54,450
And so they were telling us we were pumping more than we actually were.

805
01:06:55,090 --> 01:07:03,010
And so what that means is we actually have less source than we thought and were using

806
01:07:03,010 --> 01:07:03,870
in our calculations.

807
01:07:05,050 --> 01:07:10,730
At the same time, we're seeing an increase in peak, average peak usage.

808
01:07:10,730 --> 01:07:15,190
And that's during the summer, the really hot times of the year.

809
01:07:15,730 --> 01:07:19,890
And that's kind of the worst case scenario that Department of Health

810
01:07:19,890 --> 01:07:26,430
requires you to use when determining how many equivalent residential units you can serve.

811
01:07:26,850 --> 01:07:34,170
So we have this double whammy of the increase in peak consumption and the decrease in source.

812
01:07:34,170 --> 01:07:48,090
and this we redid our our plan for this in 21 water system plan in 21 so these

813
01:07:48,090 --> 01:07:53,110
are done every 10 years and this completely changed what we thought we

814
01:07:53,110 --> 01:07:54,110
had in 21.

815
01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:02,900
This information was brought to the board in January we

816
01:08:02,900 --> 01:08:10,140
We continued to evaluate the numbers to ensure everything was correct, seeing what we did

817
01:08:10,140 --> 01:08:14,480
and seeing the reduction in equivalent residential units that were allowed.

818
01:08:14,700 --> 01:08:20,780
Our Board of Commissioners did pass a resolution to limit sales of new connections.

819
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:29,580
And so really put a pause on what we're doing right now until we're able to look at additional

820
01:08:29,580 --> 01:08:36,620
source or if we can reduce the peak consumption. I do want to point out there

821
01:08:36,620 --> 01:08:42,960
were a couple of exemptions on this and that is if there is a home that has

822
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:47,920
water right now that's not on our system and for some reason the quantity or

823
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:55,620
quality of water does not meet their needs for average daily use we will be

824
01:08:55,620 --> 01:09:02,560
able to step in for that. So that would be an exception to this. Also an ADU,

825
01:09:02,900 --> 01:09:08,020
because we're seeing our peak usage be really associated with landscaping and

826
01:09:08,020 --> 01:09:12,360
those types of things, by adding an ADU you're not adding any extra property so

827
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:16,740
as long as you weren't adding another connection for that ADU, we're allowing

828
01:09:16,740 --> 01:09:21,620
you to upsize the meter for that. Those are the two exceptions we're

829
01:09:21,620 --> 01:09:27,620
looking at right now. In the resolution we do state that we will revisit the sale of

830
01:09:27,620 --> 01:09:33,860
binding water letters and so that's the addition of new connections in Q1 of

831
01:09:33,860 --> 01:09:34,740
2027.

832
01:09:39,210 --> 01:09:45,150
So what do we do? All right the first step is conservation. Let's see what

833
01:09:45,150 --> 01:09:50,210
we can do to bring down that peak load. If we're able to do that, that really

834
01:09:50,210 --> 01:09:55,790
changes the equations and really increases the number of equivalent residential units

835
01:09:55,790 --> 01:09:57,630
we can serve.

836
01:09:58,310 --> 01:10:03,290
So if for those of you who live in our South Bainbridge system, which I know a couple of

837
01:10:03,290 --> 01:10:09,350
you do, we have sent a bunch of communication out, or at least a couple of communications.

838
01:10:10,530 --> 01:10:16,210
And these really talk about what happened, what we're seeing and the difference, and

839
01:10:16,210 --> 01:10:19,590
and how the peak usage is affected.

840
01:10:20,130 --> 01:10:26,430
We do see a peak usage here that's extremely higher than any of our other systems within

841
01:10:26,430 --> 01:10:26,950
the county.

842
01:10:27,550 --> 01:10:38,790
And so we are requesting, really or desiring, to bring down the peak usage from 618 gallons

843
01:10:38,790 --> 01:10:42,090
per minute to 500 gallons per minute.

844
01:10:42,370 --> 01:10:43,810
That is gallons per day.

845
01:10:43,990 --> 01:10:44,890
Thank you, gallons per day.

846
01:10:44,890 --> 01:10:55,930
that's even details yeah gallons for a day thank you and so with that it would

847
01:10:55,930 --> 01:11:01,530
still be higher than any of our other systems throughout the county but that

848
01:11:01,530 --> 01:11:09,910
19% reduction in usage would affect us quite a bit so we've asked and are

849
01:11:09,910 --> 01:11:13,490
We're instituting a water only on every other day.

850
01:11:15,110 --> 01:11:19,390
This is something we've done in the past.

851
01:11:19,530 --> 01:11:26,770
When we did it in the past, it was because we had an emergency that drew down the storage

852
01:11:26,770 --> 01:11:31,550
that we had, and so we had this week, and the community really came together for that.

853
01:11:31,730 --> 01:11:34,630
We're hoping to see that same response here.

854
01:11:35,490 --> 01:11:38,730
If your house number is odd, you water on an odd day.

855
01:11:38,730 --> 01:11:43,410
If your house number is even, you want her on an even day with everybody taking a break

856
01:11:43,410 --> 01:11:44,490
on the 31st.

857
01:11:44,550 --> 01:11:46,870
So it's all fair across the board.

858
01:11:49,730 --> 01:11:52,390
We really do think that this will work well.

859
01:11:52,530 --> 01:11:56,890
We're working closely with City of Maybridge Island staff to make sure any communication

860
01:11:56,890 --> 01:11:59,350
we're sending out, you're aware of.

861
01:12:00,030 --> 01:12:07,470
Also looking at the island as a whole because we do have additional, or we do have high

862
01:12:07,470 --> 01:12:11,690
consumption in North Bainbridge as well, that we would like to bring down with our water

863
01:12:11,690 --> 01:12:18,070
use efficiency goals, just not the near term challenges we're seeing on South Bainbridge

864
01:12:18,070 --> 01:12:18,530
right now.

865
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:28,820
Okay, so this takes us to the ILA that Chris was talking about.

866
01:12:29,020 --> 01:12:30,820
We have a near term need.

867
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:38,740
And that near term need is a inner tie between kids at PUD System and the City

868
01:12:38,740 --> 01:12:43,220
of Bambridge Island system at Northeast Eagle Harbor.

869
01:12:44,140 --> 01:12:46,320
This is something we've been talking about doing.

870
01:12:46,940 --> 01:12:54,460
This is something that we have thought is good for both systems for resiliency and

871
01:12:54,460 --> 01:13:02,620
being close together, looking at when you're able to rest different systems operationally,

872
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:06,280
when you're looking at climate change, all of our water comes from rainfall.

873
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:10,720
all, when you're doing all these things, it's good to have that regional infrastructure.

874
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:12,800
So we are always talking about this.

875
01:13:13,660 --> 01:13:20,000
And a couple of things have happened that have allowed us to expedite, being able to

876
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:26,780
build the infrastructure that would reach City of Ambridge, and then also being able

877
01:13:26,780 --> 01:13:32,460
to work with the City of Ambridge on excess source that you may have on your system

878
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:33,920
at this time.

879
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:38,740
So, right now, we have two grants with Department of Health.

880
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:44,440
And what those are doing, they're replacing the infrastructure and consolidating Harbor

881
01:13:44,440 --> 01:13:46,520
Crest and Rose Avenue, as I mentioned earlier.

882
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:50,640
Those two systems have emerging contaminants of manganese.

883
01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:56,420
And so what we'll do is we'll be removing, putting treatment plants in for those, removing

884
01:13:56,420 --> 01:14:00,080
the manganese, combining those with the self-membraged system.

885
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:05,500
That gets us a majority of the way, as you can see from the map, it gets us a majority

886
01:14:05,500 --> 01:14:10,340
of the way to where the city of Maybridge infrastructure already is.

887
01:14:10,900 --> 01:14:15,320
And so we are doing these two projects in 2026.

888
01:14:16,220 --> 01:14:17,740
So they're underway right now.

889
01:14:18,300 --> 01:14:25,060
Next year we put in our capital plan to build the rest of the way to the city of

890
01:14:25,060 --> 01:14:25,420
Maybridge.

891
01:14:25,420 --> 01:14:33,800
So that would be a 2027 connection to the to the city. So really that's what

892
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:39,760
we're asking of the city in this ILA is to really expedite that connection with

893
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:44,100
us that intertie in the ILA that would allow that to happen as well as

894
01:14:44,100 --> 01:14:47,880
provide source for us for this near-term challenge that we have.

895
01:14:51,500 --> 01:14:52,240
I will

896
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:58,360
We'll say there are also other sources in South Cambridge that we are looking at.

897
01:14:58,680 --> 01:14:59,840
Those just take longer.

898
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:08,680
Term. So those take the application for water rights, drilling wells, if a well already exists,

899
01:15:08,900 --> 01:15:16,040
which there are some, being able to just acquire that and then apply for water rights for that.

900
01:15:16,460 --> 01:15:25,100
Those all take a minimum of five years. And so to meet the growth projections that the

901
01:15:25,100 --> 01:15:32,460
city has put out there for Linwood Center and other of those areas that we serve.

902
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:41,460
We want to make sure that we can continue selling water, binding water letters.

903
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:43,900
Long term.

904
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:45,460
That's next.

905
01:15:45,820 --> 01:15:46,220
Here we go.

906
01:15:46,860 --> 01:15:51,780
Long term is really the bigger plan that we've been talking about and you may have

907
01:15:51,780 --> 01:15:52,900
seen this before.

908
01:15:52,900 --> 01:16:01,280
I know that Chris has spoken with the UAC about this and that is really connecting the

909
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:08,260
North Bainbridge system to the city and then also connecting it to the South Bainbridge.

910
01:16:08,740 --> 01:16:15,660
And working together on regional resources that will support having different sources

911
01:16:15,660 --> 01:16:18,640
for both the city as well as kids at PUD.

912
01:16:22,940 --> 01:16:28,340
Okay, I would be remiss if I didn't talk a little bit about reclaimed water because that's

913
01:16:28,340 --> 01:16:31,460
another source that we can look at.

914
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:37,160
With the acquisition of sewer district seven, we are investigating that use.

915
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:45,140
So right now the effluent does go out into an outfall to the Puget Town right now.

916
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:50,140
And what we can look at doing is adding tertiary treatment and then you would end

917
01:16:50,140 --> 01:16:51,480
end up with class A drinking water.

918
01:16:52,660 --> 01:16:59,380
And then what we could do is either use that to reduce these peak usage because you could

919
01:16:59,380 --> 01:17:07,840
use it for irrigation and landscape purposes, or we can also take this and place it in

920
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:10,060
a drain field to recharge the aquifer.

921
01:17:10,220 --> 01:17:13,580
And that's what we're doing in Port Gamble right now.

922
01:17:17,550 --> 01:17:18,710
Contact information.

923
01:17:19,190 --> 01:17:20,070
So I'm Angela.

924
01:17:20,690 --> 01:17:23,990
This is Dave Everson, he's the assistant general manager.

925
01:17:24,190 --> 01:17:29,150
He's also been greatly involved with Chris on this.

926
01:17:29,950 --> 01:17:33,170
Bernie Kenworthy, she is our engineering manager.

927
01:17:33,990 --> 01:17:35,910
Tom Colby was going to be online.

928
01:17:36,210 --> 01:17:37,870
He's our licensed high-level geologist.

929
01:17:38,110 --> 01:17:40,790
And last but not least, we have Commissioner Deborah Lesser,

930
01:17:41,070 --> 01:17:45,490
who serves this community on our board of commissioners.

931
01:17:47,480 --> 01:17:49,560
All right, open for any questions?

932
01:17:50,780 --> 01:17:54,920
Great. Thank you so much. I'm not sure it was first, Mayor.

933
01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:56,940
And I may pull on these guys, too.

934
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:02,720
Thank you, Deputy Mayor, and thank you so much, Angela, and good to see you, Debbie.

935
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:07,360
And I've got a couple questions. One thing you said that got me kind of confused.

936
01:18:07,580 --> 01:18:14,560
You said your meters or whatever they were were pumping out more, but then showing...

937
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:20,140
And then you had a sort of, it would seem that if you're pumping out more, it would look

938
01:18:20,140 --> 01:18:25,500
like you're using more at that time rather than, my logic says it would be that you're

939
01:18:25,500 --> 01:18:28,200
pumping out, it shows you're pumping out less, but there's more volume coming out.

940
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:28,440
Yeah.

941
01:18:29,020 --> 01:18:34,760
So, yeah, so we have your source over here, and it's saying, let's say 100.

942
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:39,040
And then we have your residents over here who are using 50.

943
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:45,580
And in between, we had thought there was leaks, and we had been investigating everything

944
01:18:45,580 --> 01:18:46,740
to find these leaks.

945
01:18:47,220 --> 01:18:51,140
We had replaced residential meters, which is where they mostly are.

946
01:18:51,740 --> 01:18:53,320
So we had replaced those.

947
01:18:53,540 --> 01:18:54,800
We had looked at other lines.

948
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:56,380
We could not find the leaks.

949
01:18:56,480 --> 01:18:57,640
We went to the source meters.

950
01:18:57,980 --> 01:18:59,060
It was the source meters.

951
01:18:59,440 --> 01:19:01,320
So it wasn't actually pumping more.

952
01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:03,140
It was just telling us it was.

953
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:06,760
So what we thought was being pumped, there wasn't.

954
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:14,880
Now, when we pump those wells, we monitor what's called the drawdown and make sure we're

955
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:16,620
pumping at a level that's sustainable.

956
01:19:17,500 --> 01:19:23,340
And so as we're doing that, that's kind of our maximum of what we can pump long-term.

957
01:19:23,620 --> 01:19:29,020
And so if we thought that was 100 and now it's actually only 50, that's where you

958
01:19:29,020 --> 01:19:30,720
saw a great reduction in our source.

959
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:32,480
So you discovered that.

960
01:19:33,020 --> 01:19:34,560
You have no idea how long that's been going on?

961
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:39,160
Is this is something that just recently happened or is it something that is I don't know that we know yeah

962
01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:41,180
Go ahead Dave. You want to come up in

963
01:19:45,310 --> 01:19:48,530
15 and those source meters had not been replaced

964
01:19:48,530 --> 01:19:49,450
Well, we have 10

965
01:19:50,130 --> 01:19:54,950
Sources on the South Bay Ridge the new South Bay Ridge water system that comprises the old three systems

966
01:19:54,950 --> 01:20:00,150
We're talking about just a couple of the meters that had an issue, but they were the two largest producing

967
01:20:01,510 --> 01:20:07,990
Wells and so when we took it over and we you know did all of the homework prior to that acquisition

968
01:20:07,990 --> 01:20:09,350
and we talked to the owner and stuff like that.

969
01:20:09,410 --> 01:20:11,310
Everything made sense, the specific capacity

970
01:20:11,310 --> 01:20:12,190
and everything made sense.

971
01:20:12,430 --> 01:20:14,550
So this was obviously something that had been going on

972
01:20:14,550 --> 01:20:16,770
before us, this is something that we were not aware of

973
01:20:16,770 --> 01:20:18,170
and this is obviously something

974
01:20:18,170 --> 01:20:18,970
that we should have checked sooner.

975
01:20:19,490 --> 01:20:23,510
So we did have, so those two sources

976
01:20:23,510 --> 01:20:28,230
that had a reduction account for about,

977
01:20:28,630 --> 01:20:31,530
they were lost about 20% in each,

978
01:20:31,810 --> 01:20:34,290
so not real water, just on paper, right?

979
01:20:34,290 --> 01:20:39,890
But that accounts for about 10% loss on paper across the entire system, which is significant.

980
01:20:40,510 --> 01:20:41,610
A few more questions.

981
01:20:42,990 --> 01:20:49,910
You said, I think you said that this water district consumes more water than your other districts.

982
01:20:50,610 --> 01:20:52,350
And you said irrigation was one reason.

983
01:20:52,790 --> 01:20:56,450
What are the other reasons that's happening here and can you explain that?

984
01:20:56,690 --> 01:20:58,270
It's pretty much summer usage.

985
01:20:58,270 --> 01:21:06,070
So average across all of our systems is about 189 gallons per day.

986
01:21:06,530 --> 01:21:09,810
So that's what we consider our regular usage.

987
01:21:10,110 --> 01:21:12,290
Your showers, your cleaning, things like that.

988
01:21:13,750 --> 01:21:18,870
In the summer when we get up over 600 in South Baymurch,

989
01:21:19,070 --> 01:21:21,730
we know that's on these peak hot days.

990
01:21:22,710 --> 01:21:27,090
So assuming it's landscaping, it could be slip and slides.

991
01:21:27,090 --> 01:21:32,770
beds, sprinklers, things like that, but yeah, it's mostly outdoor use.

992
01:21:33,270 --> 01:21:39,290
Well, I think the even odd day strategy is something that a lot of places use, especially

993
01:21:39,290 --> 01:21:42,170
where they're drought-driven, you know, because they have a sudden drop.

994
01:21:42,550 --> 01:21:42,750
Yeah.

995
01:21:43,110 --> 01:21:48,930
Is there an encouragement also to point out that all of this summertime usage is also

996
01:21:48,930 --> 01:21:52,870
adding to the excessive use of the water compared to other districts?

997
01:21:53,630 --> 01:22:00,070
Yes. It, yeah, I mean it is adding to excessive use, yeah.

998
01:22:00,810 --> 01:22:12,530
Then I just had one other point. You said that, you know, you were created by the county, the county about 76 years ago, and these were created and you're under the, you were created under county authority, is that correct?

999
01:22:12,530 --> 01:22:20,970
We were actually created under initiative one which allowed communities to create the

1000
01:22:20,970 --> 01:22:26,850
PUD so it wasn't the county that created us but the community that created the PUD.

1001
01:22:28,250 --> 01:22:34,950
It really was driven out of Grange districts and I know it was all about the rural electrification

1002
01:22:34,950 --> 01:22:43,630
and so the granges drove this and had initiative one passed through the state

1003
01:22:43,630 --> 01:22:49,350
legislature and not allowed communities to create PUDs. So we existed but we

1004
01:22:49,350 --> 01:22:55,470
really weren't doing providing any services until the 70s. So what did you

1005
01:22:55,470 --> 01:22:59,690
mean when you said that the county created or authorized you? The county

1006
01:22:59,690 --> 01:23:07,870
entered into a memo understanding with kids at PUD to act as their water resource manager

1007
01:23:07,870 --> 01:23:08,890
and operator.

1008
01:23:09,430 --> 01:23:12,930
All right, so the initiative, but then the county asked you to do this.

1009
01:23:13,070 --> 01:23:15,010
County asked us to do it, and we said yes.

1010
01:23:15,310 --> 01:23:20,490
I'm just going to confuse because we're providing a city service and been a city for 26 years

1011
01:23:21,250 --> 01:23:24,570
and it seems that the county's no longer a part of us.

1012
01:23:24,890 --> 01:23:29,670
Those parts are not rural anymore and so I want to make sure the residents of

1013
01:23:29,670 --> 01:23:31,930
of our island have adequate water, that's not a question.

1014
01:23:32,910 --> 01:23:36,290
I'm looking at more as a logical utility perspective

1015
01:23:36,290 --> 01:23:40,530
as a municipality of why this is a typical service

1016
01:23:41,030 --> 01:23:43,370
and that there's this one that's been around

1017
01:23:44,610 --> 01:23:45,490
pre-incorporation.

1018
01:23:46,170 --> 01:23:47,910
And so I've always been confused by

1019
01:23:48,290 --> 01:23:50,570
when I see the kids at PED, water pollution

1020
01:23:50,570 --> 01:23:52,850
and stuff like that, we have a water system.

1021
01:23:53,230 --> 01:23:55,130
So this is the question I really like to,

1022
01:23:55,790 --> 01:23:57,150
not for the center tie thing,

1023
01:23:57,670 --> 01:23:59,310
but something I think we have to discuss

1024
01:23:59,310 --> 01:24:03,030
as a city and as a utility as well. So thank you for your time.

1025
01:24:03,310 --> 01:24:05,510
Absolutely. Okay, who was next?

1026
01:24:06,570 --> 01:24:07,770
Council Member Matthews. Sorry.

1027
01:24:08,130 --> 01:24:12,090
That's okay. Thank you, Stephanie, Mayor. Thank you all for being here.

1028
01:24:12,770 --> 01:24:14,890
First, I just want to thank you for your ongoing partnership.

1029
01:24:15,310 --> 01:24:19,850
You've been pretty much doing the Canary in the coal mine for a really long time,

1030
01:24:20,050 --> 01:24:22,670
as long as I've been around about this issue.

1031
01:24:22,850 --> 01:24:25,770
So thanks for being proactive when you noticed what was going on.

1032
01:24:25,770 --> 01:24:29,510
I think as long as maybe it was the water festival several years ago

1033
01:24:29,510 --> 01:24:35,510
You said that Bainbridge Island is the most in your network and it seems that we still have that distinction or award which is unfortunate

1034
01:24:36,430 --> 01:24:38,650
Which is yeah, not good. So I

1035
01:24:39,590 --> 01:24:44,470
Was one and also I want to thank you for clarifying on ad use because I know that was of concerns

1036
01:24:44,470 --> 01:24:49,790
And I actually had a constituent have that concern and you directly called them back, which is wild

1037
01:24:49,790 --> 01:24:50,990
So thank you for that

1038
01:24:51,630 --> 01:24:54,990
So my question is I was just thinking about the

1039
01:24:56,470 --> 01:24:59,250
the alternate side watering and the card,

1040
01:24:59,370 --> 01:25:00,190
because I live on the south end,

1041
01:25:00,270 --> 01:25:01,430
so I've gotten the card and the letter,

1042
01:25:01,890 --> 01:25:03,490
and I was wondering if there might be a way

1043
01:25:03,490 --> 01:25:05,750
to do one side of the card in Spanish,

1044
01:25:07,850 --> 01:25:11,990
because many of the folks who are doing that work

1045
01:25:11,990 --> 01:25:15,370
are, speak Spanish, and so I think

1046
01:25:15,370 --> 01:25:16,370
that would be really helpful.

1047
01:25:16,710 --> 01:25:18,850
Absolutely, I will, yeah, yeah.

1048
01:25:19,670 --> 01:25:22,750
And then in thinking also about the alternate sides,

1049
01:25:24,210 --> 01:25:29,830
many of the way that they get of the water or the homes get watered on the

1050
01:25:29,830 --> 01:25:36,430
south end is a crew comes and does one group at a time it might not be on

1051
01:25:36,430 --> 01:25:40,690
alternate sides because of their day that they come so I wonder if there could

1052
01:25:40,690 --> 01:25:47,030
be some so we alternate sides if you're you know not in an HOA but HOA's

1053
01:25:47,030 --> 01:25:50,970
maybe have some I don't know how to think about it but there it's a

1054
01:25:50,970 --> 01:25:54,930
little because I know thinking about where I live we're even an odd on one

1055
01:25:54,930 --> 01:26:01,410
side but it's all one day and it's all on one irrigation system. So we are we

1056
01:26:01,410 --> 01:26:07,650
are providing guidance to do every other day how that looks and how you're

1057
01:26:07,650 --> 01:26:12,150
able to do that. We've had a lot of people call and question especially if

1058
01:26:14,450 --> 01:26:19,710
their irrigation system is set up for every other versus odd even can that

1059
01:26:19,710 --> 01:26:24,810
and so we're really asking that you do the best you can

1060
01:26:24,810 --> 01:26:27,210
to just use every other day.

1061
01:26:27,590 --> 01:26:28,190
Okay, yes.

1062
01:26:28,490 --> 01:26:30,150
And then also thinking about it,

1063
01:26:30,310 --> 01:26:34,950
a lot of the folks who are watering are not even there.

1064
01:26:35,170 --> 01:26:37,290
They might be not living there for the summer

1065
01:26:37,290 --> 01:26:40,650
or it's another home or they're in a compound

1066
01:26:40,650 --> 01:26:42,490
and it's one home, but the others,

1067
01:26:42,670 --> 01:26:43,870
they're not in it as much.

1068
01:26:44,210 --> 01:26:46,410
I don't know the answer to this.

1069
01:26:46,530 --> 01:26:47,730
It's one of the most frustrating things

1070
01:26:47,730 --> 01:26:48,950
because it's not a money issue.

1071
01:26:49,490 --> 01:26:52,150
You could bill till the cows come home.

1072
01:26:52,410 --> 01:26:52,810
You know what I mean?

1073
01:26:53,130 --> 01:26:54,390
It's not going to change anything.

1074
01:26:54,590 --> 01:26:55,650
So it's like then what?

1075
01:26:56,170 --> 01:26:57,230
And that's where we find ourselves.

1076
01:26:57,250 --> 01:27:00,010
And we are, we're looking at what we can do.

1077
01:27:00,210 --> 01:27:03,250
We have a handful of really super users.

1078
01:27:03,970 --> 01:27:08,910
And so how do we support them in being able

1079
01:27:08,910 --> 01:27:11,350
to take care of this resource as well?

1080
01:27:11,470 --> 01:27:13,110
That really is a community resource.

1081
01:27:13,810 --> 01:27:16,150
So how do we support them in that?

1082
01:27:16,150 --> 01:27:23,770
And so we're looking at different ways to approach those individuals on a one-on-one

1083
01:27:23,770 --> 01:27:29,330
basis to make sure they understand that this is what's happening. Thank you so

1084
01:27:29,330 --> 01:27:29,610
much.

1085
01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:36,740
How about we go down the line? Okay, Council Member Nelson.

1086
01:27:39,180 --> 01:27:39,940
Okay, well

1087
01:27:39,940 --> 01:27:45,560
thank you for being here. So a few questions. The first one, when you guys

1088
01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:51,100
came to the Utilities Advisory Committee had a really great discussion there. And I wonder

1089
01:27:51,100 --> 01:27:56,020
if you could speak a little bit about the three well fields down there. I know you had

1090
01:27:56,020 --> 01:28:02,480
mentioned one of them having seawater intrusion, another one or two of them having PFAS, maybe

1091
01:28:02,480 --> 01:28:05,560
you could kind of, you know, kind of level set for us on that one.

1092
01:28:05,560 --> 01:28:06,820
I'm going to hand that over to Dave.

1093
01:28:07,220 --> 01:28:07,460
Yeah.

1094
01:28:07,700 --> 01:28:07,800
No.

1095
01:28:11,420 --> 01:28:14,900
All right, yeah. And let me know if you want anything specific, but you're very

1096
01:28:14,900 --> 01:28:20,260
Very right. The systems came with well fields. So three systems, three well fields. Starting

1097
01:28:20,260 --> 01:28:25,340
in the west, I guess, at the South Bainbridge system, which would have in Linwood Center

1098
01:28:25,340 --> 01:28:30,660
is where the well field resides. Just a little bit of history in addition to that.

1099
01:28:31,140 --> 01:28:36,180
So there were two wells that were being used. There was many old wells that had been retired

1100
01:28:36,180 --> 01:28:39,720
or decommissioned, but there was two wells that were being used when we took over

1101
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:45,320
ownership of the system. We had since drilled three wells, wells 9, 10, and 11, also known

1102
01:28:45,320 --> 01:28:50,820
as Deer Path Well that you're probably aware of. And so 9 and 10 were successful, 10 by

1103
01:28:50,820 --> 01:28:56,440
far the most successful, but in the Deer Path Well 11 was not successful. So in addition

1104
01:28:56,440 --> 01:29:01,240
to that, though, did some water quality concerns. The well field came with an iron

1105
01:29:01,240 --> 01:29:06,520
and meganese removal system from the previous owner, and it is working as designed. Still

1106
01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:11,560
today. We've made some improvements but I was working as assigned. But we have had both

1107
01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:19,400
non-regulatory PFOS hits in that well field and we've had rising chloride and conductivity

1108
01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:23,500
levels. Now they're very low. They're not to the point where you would actually call

1109
01:29:23,500 --> 01:29:27,660
it sea water or salt water intrusion at this point. But that is something that we watch.

1110
01:29:28,120 --> 01:29:34,920
We actually for the last 20 or so years have been monitoring chloride and conductivity

1111
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:38,160
connectivity around the county so this is something that we do anyway because

1112
01:29:38,160 --> 01:29:42,300
we're essentially an island county so we're very familiar with that but that

1113
01:29:42,300 --> 01:29:44,760
is something that we're watching it's not something that always trends

1114
01:29:44,760 --> 01:29:49,980
linearly it can be exponential and it's in its growth so definitely

1115
01:29:49,980 --> 01:29:53,820
watching that closely as we move to the east we have the island utility

1116
01:29:53,820 --> 01:29:59,740
wells three wells there as well that that system came to us with a large

1117
01:29:59,740 --> 01:29:59,960
watch

1118
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:06,640
Right? And wells that had previously, at one point in time, been very productive. They're

1119
01:30:06,640 --> 01:30:12,980
the deepest wells that the district owns, and they have lost a significant amount of specific

1120
01:30:12,980 --> 01:30:17,260
capacity, which is gallons that you're able to pump to the surface per foot of drawdown.

1121
01:30:17,940 --> 01:30:21,800
So we have done rehabilitations on those. As a matter of fact, we recently completed

1122
01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:26,720
a rehabilitation that was, we actually went in multiple times and we threw the latest

1123
01:30:26,720 --> 01:30:32,020
technology at it, and we did improve capacity, but not to what we had hoped, all right.

1124
01:30:33,100 --> 01:30:38,700
Other than, I'm trying to remember if we have anything in there, those wells don't deal

1125
01:30:38,700 --> 01:30:45,440
as much with water quality issues, but if we move to Bill Point, Bill Point is a much

1126
01:30:45,440 --> 01:30:49,960
smaller well field, again, through another three wells, they're shallower wells.

1127
01:30:50,640 --> 01:30:54,960
When we first got involved with them, they did see some rising, they were seeing some

1128
01:30:54,960 --> 01:31:00,940
rising nitrate levels. And so the plan in consolidating the Bill Point system was to

1129
01:31:00,940 --> 01:31:06,840
rest that well field and to use other source to then see what could happen after we monitor

1130
01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:10,000
these sources for a while and see if we can improve upon that situation and learn a little

1131
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:17,760
bit about that. Since that time we have detected PFOS in that well field. So that's something

1132
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:22,480
and we do believe that that nitrate and PFOS likely go hand in hand and are probably

1133
01:31:22,480 --> 01:31:27,540
from drain fields, being that they're shallow wells within that community.

1134
01:31:28,140 --> 01:31:32,700
So that is kind of the summary of kind of what we're looking at in the south end.

1135
01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:34,040
No, no, that's helpful.

1136
01:31:34,240 --> 01:31:34,580
Thank you.

1137
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:40,620
And I will tell you, I am on south Bainbridge water, and my water usage is very low.

1138
01:31:41,400 --> 01:31:41,440
Excellent.

1139
01:31:41,820 --> 01:31:42,000
Excellent.

1140
01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:45,240
We're not going to call anyone out, don't worry.

1141
01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:52,220
No, but I think so, as far as the, I'm kind of thinking also, what's the timing

1142
01:31:52,220 --> 01:31:58,160
So, kind of your section one is sort of the short term, the inner tie to deal with South

1143
01:31:58,160 --> 01:31:59,000
Bainbridge water.

1144
01:31:59,260 --> 01:32:05,680
What's the timing as far as your sort of section two, larger coordination between the city

1145
01:32:05,680 --> 01:32:06,780
and KPUD?

1146
01:32:07,180 --> 01:32:17,420
So section one, looking at next year and being able to start that process, if depending

1147
01:32:17,420 --> 01:32:28,280
Depending on how much water the city has available to provide us, 90 gallons per minute gets us

1148
01:32:28,280 --> 01:32:35,740
through the next five years with the growth projections and the comprehensive plan as

1149
01:32:35,740 --> 01:32:41,400
well as serving everyone now and the people who have bought connections that are connected.

1150
01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:41,560
good.

1151
01:32:43,660 --> 01:32:48,060
For the longer term, we're actually going to start working on some of that right

1152
01:32:48,060 --> 01:32:54,920
now. And so looking at well fields, things along those natures, because those take so

1153
01:32:54,920 --> 01:33:02,940
much time to get water rights for them, we will hopefully work with the city, continue

1154
01:33:02,940 --> 01:33:10,440
to work with the city to do sharing of infrastructure on that side of things and

1155
01:33:10,440 --> 01:33:16,760
and then also looking at how to connect for the North Bambridge system there by Madison.

1156
01:33:18,100 --> 01:33:24,020
And then as far as the sort of section 2, I just want to confirm that's going to go both

1157
01:33:24,020 --> 01:33:24,640
ways, right?

1158
01:33:25,020 --> 01:33:26,360
Okay, that's not just a, okay.

1159
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:31,800
Yeah, it's a wheeling, it's kind of a wheeling agreement, so, you know, when the city is

1160
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:37,080
looking at resting your wells or has some kind of operational capacity, whether it's

1161
01:33:37,080 --> 01:33:39,620
taking down a reservoir to clean it.

1162
01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:41,820
Those types of things were able to do those things

1163
01:33:41,820 --> 01:33:44,320
and then transfer the water both ways.

1164
01:33:44,940 --> 01:33:49,620
There are details associated with that

1165
01:33:49,620 --> 01:33:50,920
that we're going to have to work through,

1166
01:33:51,300 --> 01:33:53,940
but that is the purpose of that wheeling agreement.

1167
01:33:54,440 --> 01:33:58,820
Okay, and then, and this might be more of a question

1168
01:33:58,820 --> 01:34:03,700
for public works, but are we targeting new wells

1169
01:34:03,700 --> 01:34:06,500
at this point to sort of handle this?

1170
01:34:06,500 --> 01:34:12,480
Do we have the capacity I think the one by Eagle Harbor that's pulling from is it glacial Marine aquifer

1171
01:34:13,220 --> 01:34:14,200
Do we you know?

1172
01:34:14,780 --> 01:34:17,960
Have you looked at it from a capacity standpoint from the city?

1173
01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:25,540
We believe we have the capacity to provide the service the one variable that we are

1174
01:34:25,540 --> 01:34:27,500
going to do a little bit of

1175
01:34:28,020 --> 01:34:33,620
Evaluating and piloting of this summer is whether the infrastructure how much the infrastructure can really provide

1176
01:34:33,620 --> 01:34:37,720
The head of the bay well that is nearest to this inner tie has some of the older equipment

1177
01:34:37,720 --> 01:34:38,320
in the system.

1178
01:34:38,500 --> 01:34:43,140
We have a capital improvement plan that we are about to engage where we are going to be

1179
01:34:43,140 --> 01:34:47,800
replacing a number of pieces of critical equipment as well as doing a rehabilitation

1180
01:34:47,800 --> 01:34:51,840
of at least one of the wells on that site over the course of the next 18 months.

1181
01:34:52,300 --> 01:34:55,560
So I have no doubt in the long term that that site will be able to provide the water.

1182
01:34:56,060 --> 01:35:00,240
We're just trying to determine in the short term, you know, is the infrastructure suitable

1183
01:35:00,240 --> 01:35:01,640
for delivering what's needed.

1184
01:35:01,640 --> 01:35:05,600
this 90 gallons permitted is the five-year kind of maximum.

1185
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:07,780
In this initial year, I highly doubt

1186
01:35:07,780 --> 01:35:10,660
it will be anywhere close to 90 per minute.

1187
01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:13,600
So the short answer is yes, and in the longer term,

1188
01:35:13,720 --> 01:35:15,900
we are continuing to evaluate the situation.

1189
01:35:16,240 --> 01:35:18,980
OK, and then I think I just have a couple more things.

1190
01:35:19,240 --> 01:35:19,440
Let's see.

1191
01:35:19,740 --> 01:35:22,220
So somebody emailed me a question

1192
01:35:22,220 --> 01:35:25,580
where they were wondering what the ownership of the piping

1193
01:35:25,580 --> 01:35:28,460
between South Bainbridge and KPUD North Bainbridge

1194
01:35:28,460 --> 01:35:30,040
wells three, seven, and nine.

1195
01:35:30,040 --> 01:35:33,480
Who owns the infrastructure? Is it KPUD or is it the city?

1196
01:35:36,060 --> 01:35:38,440
In North Bainbridge 3, 7 and 9?

1197
01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:44,000
Yeah, and then the piping between South Bainbridge and North Bainbridge.

1198
01:35:44,240 --> 01:35:47,940
Yeah, those are all things that would be determined as a part of this agreement.

1199
01:35:48,080 --> 01:35:52,520
We would probably look to the coordinated water system plan and where our water system boundaries are.

1200
01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:57,340
I know there's some desire of the city and PUD to kind of look at those boundaries

1201
01:35:57,340 --> 01:36:03,280
as you're looking at what systems may need your support to be able to reach them.

1202
01:36:03,500 --> 01:36:05,480
And that's something we're looking at too and very aware of.

1203
01:36:05,580 --> 01:36:06,760
We've had those conversations.

1204
01:36:07,080 --> 01:36:10,000
You know, we can look to figure out what makes the most sense there.

1205
01:36:10,820 --> 01:36:12,460
On the south end, we're pretty tight there.

1206
01:36:12,580 --> 01:36:14,400
We've got a pretty good boundary established.

1207
01:36:14,720 --> 01:36:17,500
You all already have infrastructure to the boundary and we're almost there.

1208
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:20,880
In the north area, we do have boundaries that are tight,

1209
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:22,700
but our infrastructure is farther apart.

1210
01:36:22,860 --> 01:36:24,780
So the exact location of those interties

1211
01:36:24,780 --> 01:36:28,640
in the payment agreements or the cost sharing agreements on those would be something that

1212
01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:34,740
we would have to negotiate. I mean, each zonally, in addition to piping, you would have, you

1213
01:36:34,740 --> 01:36:40,620
know, pressure regulating systems in place at each intertie or transfer stations, if you

1214
01:36:40,620 --> 01:36:40,780
will.

1215
01:36:41,140 --> 01:36:41,400
Okay.

1216
01:36:41,660 --> 01:36:48,380
And I only have one other question which is, I think, obviously, for us, we are mostly

1217
01:36:48,380 --> 01:36:52,920
concerned with the citizens of Cambridge Island having, you know, quantity and quality

1218
01:36:52,920 --> 01:36:58,700
of water. And obviously you look at this as a regional resource. Would you guys be open

1219
01:36:58,700 --> 01:37:05,000
to putting in a provision of the contract that essentially says that any water that came

1220
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:10,620
from the city could only be used to service residents on this, you know, on the island?

1221
01:37:12,700 --> 01:37:17,620
I think so because we actually couldn't serve anyone off the island. There is no

1222
01:37:17,620 --> 01:37:28,080
infrastructure off the island. Any infrastructure, to be honest, that would be brought from maybe

1223
01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:33,760
Sir Quamish to the island would be to provide water to the island if it's needed. There's

1224
01:37:33,760 --> 01:37:36,580
not a need outside, but yes, absolutely.

1225
01:37:37,040 --> 01:37:40,800
Okay. I think that would sort of allay some concerns from some citizens.

1226
01:37:41,100 --> 01:37:41,360
Absolutely.

1227
01:37:41,620 --> 01:37:43,500
Thank you. Okay, I appreciate your time. I have a...

1228
01:37:43,540 --> 01:37:43,860
Thank you.

1229
01:37:45,260 --> 01:37:46,240
Councilor Lantham.

1230
01:37:46,700 --> 01:37:47,160
Thank you.

1231
01:37:47,580 --> 01:37:48,120
Thank you.

1232
01:37:48,320 --> 01:37:54,080
This is a really interesting topic and I know it's like, you know, salt and bread and it's

1233
01:37:54,080 --> 01:37:54,900
close to all of us.

1234
01:37:54,980 --> 01:37:55,120
Right?

1235
01:37:57,980 --> 01:38:03,420
So I have a couple questions that are about the south end and a couple more on a broader

1236
01:38:03,420 --> 01:38:04,140
scale.

1237
01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:04,500
Okay.

1238
01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:12,560
So regarding ADUs, what is the conversation like with Kisep Public Health District?

1239
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:20,120
Because I was under the impression that you needed a dedicated hookup for ADUs unless it was inside your existing structure.

1240
01:38:20,580 --> 01:38:23,080
So is that something changed on that?

1241
01:38:23,180 --> 01:38:29,300
That is not the case as we understand it based on the requirements.

1242
01:38:30,140 --> 01:38:36,060
We are able to provide an increased connection, so an increased meter size.

1243
01:38:36,060 --> 01:38:45,120
Now, if that were, so there are some regulations that allow you to divide your

1244
01:38:45,120 --> 01:38:50,320
lots and condominiumize ADUs at that point, they would have to have their own

1245
01:38:50,320 --> 01:38:55,080
connection. And so we do have that in our ADU policy. As long as it's the same

1246
01:38:55,080 --> 01:38:59,500
lot, we're able to do that, but as soon as you condominiumize your, we have to

1247
01:38:59,500 --> 01:39:03,940
have the separate connections. Very good. Interim City Manager, I would love to

1248
01:39:03,940 --> 01:39:06,100
to have some clarification from our planning department

1249
01:39:06,100 --> 01:39:08,960
regarding this because I think a lot of the direction

1250
01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:11,860
that's given to folks who wanna construct ADUs

1251
01:39:11,860 --> 01:39:14,420
is based on a two-bedroom septic

1252
01:39:14,420 --> 01:39:15,960
and a one-dedicated hookup.

1253
01:39:16,120 --> 01:39:19,220
Unless you have a cottage, unless you have a guest house,

1254
01:39:19,400 --> 01:39:23,300
unless you have something that is not described

1255
01:39:24,180 --> 01:39:27,040
specifically in our code as an ADU.

1256
01:39:27,560 --> 01:39:30,200
And our code is different from other county regulations.

1257
01:39:30,540 --> 01:39:32,840
So I would love to have some specificity on that.

1258
01:39:35,200 --> 01:39:41,180
Are there any legal bumpers to tell people they can't use water above a certain limit?

1259
01:39:41,440 --> 01:39:44,880
I mean, not just ask them, but require them to stop.

1260
01:39:45,080 --> 01:39:45,620
Can you turn it off?

1261
01:39:46,260 --> 01:39:46,760
We can.

1262
01:39:47,160 --> 01:39:49,120
I mean, there are things you can do.

1263
01:39:49,380 --> 01:39:50,460
We don't want to go there.

1264
01:39:50,780 --> 01:39:51,860
We don't want to get there.

1265
01:39:52,140 --> 01:39:52,440
You're sure?

1266
01:39:52,540 --> 01:39:53,040
We don't want to go there?

1267
01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:54,080
We really don't want to go there.

1268
01:39:54,180 --> 01:39:54,740
Not yet.

1269
01:39:55,040 --> 01:39:55,320
Not yet.

1270
01:39:55,320 --> 01:39:55,740
I didn't want to check.

1271
01:39:56,520 --> 01:40:01,000
Let's just say our staff was like, are we going to have to police this?

1272
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:08,820
Am I driving around to make sure even an odd and it's like we're not policing it, but we are monitoring it and we will be

1273
01:40:12,040 --> 01:40:17,560
Educating yes, they sell the south end of the island did great last time we asked for this

1274
01:40:17,560 --> 01:40:26,140
And so we expect the same. All right. Thank you. Yes. I just wanted to put that out. I know I know where we've discussed it and

1275
01:40:26,140 --> 01:40:30,800
And we hope not to hit that point because there is,

1276
01:40:31,140 --> 01:40:32,700
I think that's the other thing is like,

1277
01:40:32,840 --> 01:40:35,200
this is on paper, as Dave said earlier.

1278
01:40:35,540 --> 01:40:37,020
This is a calculation on paper.

1279
01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:39,620
There isn't enough water to serve the community.

1280
01:40:40,060 --> 01:40:44,000
It's that when we use that peak usage,

1281
01:40:44,460 --> 01:40:48,160
that's when we see that calculations say

1282
01:40:48,160 --> 01:40:49,560
you can't sell anymore.

1283
01:40:49,560 --> 01:40:49,760
more.

1284
01:40:52,340 --> 01:40:57,880
This means that we're looking at a problem in the future, right? It's not that it's not

1285
01:40:57,880 --> 01:41:06,080
a problem. It's just that today, operationally, we're fine. It's a matter of bringing that

1286
01:41:06,080 --> 01:41:11,000
usage down so that we are able to continue into the future.

1287
01:41:12,140 --> 01:41:16,240
Thank you on that. And I also understand that leakage is kind of a normal thing

1288
01:41:16,240 --> 01:41:21,220
with systems. I mean, there's whole communities, especially in California, based on leakage.

1289
01:41:21,860 --> 01:41:25,260
I mean, successful communities based on nothing but leakage.

1290
01:41:25,880 --> 01:41:32,780
So where are water use efficiencies? Guidelines require us to be below 10%.

1291
01:41:32,780 --> 01:41:37,700
Okay. Very good. Okay, so here's my kind of a bigger ended question about the North

1292
01:41:37,700 --> 01:41:38,520
south intertie.

1293
01:41:41,020 --> 01:41:49,040
So we have K-PUD, we have Kobe, we have Bill Point, we have

1294
01:41:49,040 --> 01:41:54,040
Hidden Heights, we have Walden Water System. All those little systems aren't

1295
01:41:54,040 --> 01:42:00,900
mentioned in these interties. How will either class Bs or small single family

1296
01:42:00,900 --> 01:42:06,880
the wells be affected by an intertized situation?

1297
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:09,260
Yeah, and I don't,

1298
01:42:11,190 --> 01:42:14,800
I think the question is like drawing more water

1299
01:42:14,800 --> 01:42:17,380
out of those wells,

1300
01:42:17,600 --> 01:42:20,220
how that will affect surrounding wells.

1301
01:42:20,900 --> 01:42:23,420
So Dave can correct me on this,

1302
01:42:23,540 --> 01:42:26,760
but we do tests and we look at drawdowns

1303
01:42:26,760 --> 01:42:27,880
and we look at the usage

1304
01:42:27,880 --> 01:42:33,820
and and how you're affecting different things but most smaller systems are in

1305
01:42:33,820 --> 01:42:38,380
the higher aquifer levels and we tend to go in the different into different

1306
01:42:38,380 --> 01:42:47,840
aquifer zones and so that helps but we do monitor it and we do what we can to

1307
01:42:47,840 --> 01:42:51,080
make sure we're not affecting additional so I don't know if you'd

1308
01:42:51,080 --> 01:42:56,300
add anything yeah yeah well I was just gonna say that you know what are the

1309
01:42:56,300 --> 01:43:01,200
goals of this regionalization would be the ability to diversify your source

1310
01:43:01,200 --> 01:43:05,540
locations geographically to be able to mitigate any of those potential issues

1311
01:43:05,540 --> 01:43:09,300
that could have arised without the ability to pump different wells at

1312
01:43:09,300 --> 01:43:11,780
different times for different needs. So this is something that you know can be

1313
01:43:11,780 --> 01:43:14,540
a coordinate. This is something that Chris and I have talked about you know

1314
01:43:14,540 --> 01:43:17,600
and if you have all your eggs in one basket, which I think the city has

1315
01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:20,440
that in some case and the PUD has that in some case, so this would allow

1316
01:43:20,440 --> 01:43:25,820
us to mitigate those things from happening. I'm trying to think if

1317
01:43:25,820 --> 01:43:27,300
there's anything else I want to say on that.

1318
01:43:28,320 --> 01:43:30,220
Yeah, but did that answer your question?

1319
01:43:30,620 --> 01:43:33,680
Or I mean, I think, I wasn't sure if you were going there

1320
01:43:33,680 --> 01:43:37,020
or like I said, we do have the ability to,

1321
01:43:37,280 --> 01:43:39,600
when we look at where we're putting this infrastructure

1322
01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:42,860
to look at where, if there are needs of systems

1323
01:43:42,860 --> 01:43:45,500
and see if there's maybe something that we can't

1324
01:43:45,500 --> 01:43:46,860
get some infrastructure closer

1325
01:43:46,860 --> 01:43:48,000
to those communities as well.

1326
01:43:48,360 --> 01:43:50,020
And I absolutely appreciate that.

1327
01:43:50,780 --> 01:43:53,820
I guess I'm thinking more about the small landowner

1328
01:43:53,820 --> 01:43:58,660
that maybe has a one or two person, two party well and they're talking to the

1329
01:43:58,660 --> 01:44:02,860
health district, they're talking to DOE, they're not necessarily talking to you and

1330
01:44:02,860 --> 01:44:07,080
they can't necessarily point a finger at you or Kobe or anybody else for a

1331
01:44:07,080 --> 01:44:11,380
reason that maybe there's a drawdown and they're well and so if there is an

1332
01:44:11,380 --> 01:44:19,600
instance like that how might they and again you yeah the assumption is this

1333
01:44:19,600 --> 01:44:23,100
you would be the culprit which is an assumption right there's a lot of other

1334
01:44:23,100 --> 01:44:27,240
things at play but it's a question mark for folks right? Exactly and I think one

1335
01:44:27,240 --> 01:44:31,460
of the biggest changes that we're seeing here all of our water comes from

1336
01:44:31,460 --> 01:44:36,380
rainfall and we're seeing a change in how much rain we're seeing on the island

1337
01:44:36,380 --> 01:44:43,960
we're even now we're like at about 80% of normal and continue to monitor it

1338
01:44:43,960 --> 01:44:48,460
just seems like the rain shadow is shifted a little bit we don't know if

1339
01:44:48,460 --> 01:44:51,880
that'll maintain, but as that continues on, that will affect.

1340
01:44:52,540 --> 01:44:55,800
And I think, you know, what Dave was saying is we're there,

1341
01:44:56,160 --> 01:44:59,060
but we don't want to cause any damage as well.

1342
01:44:59,240 --> 01:44:59,760
And so,

1343
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:05,720
I think that's part of being the steward of the resource and making sure we're working with

1344
01:45:05,720 --> 01:45:15,380
others as well. In many cases, we end up helping homeowners who do have more shallow wells because

1345
01:45:15,380 --> 01:45:19,240
those are the ones being affected by these climate changes first.

1346
01:45:21,260 --> 01:45:23,900
And one thing about

1347
01:45:23,900 --> 01:45:30,220
looking regionally. The whole south end of the island is bedrock. There is no aquifers

1348
01:45:30,700 --> 01:45:37,400
in the south end of the island. So once you get past Lynnwood Center, it's just bedrock.

1349
01:45:37,760 --> 01:45:44,840
So anyone down in that area, we have to be moving it from an area north of that. And

1350
01:45:44,840 --> 01:45:50,180
so right now that's within the South Bay Bridge system, but it is coming from further

1351
01:45:50,180 --> 01:45:51,580
north, down to south.

1352
01:45:52,060 --> 01:45:53,060
Thank you.

1353
01:45:53,160 --> 01:45:55,540
Okay, here's my very last question, and this is probably a question.

1354
01:45:57,020 --> 01:46:05,140
And this is about water rights and whether COBE has already acquired land, looking forward

1355
01:46:05,140 --> 01:46:06,100
to new wells.

1356
01:46:07,980 --> 01:46:12,580
Have we, are there things that we're doing right now to anticipate as we talk about

1357
01:46:12,580 --> 01:46:15,680
these interties and supporting the south end especially?

1358
01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:27,700
do we have new proposals in mind for new properties and new drill? I'll stop talking,

1359
01:46:27,800 --> 01:46:28,320
you know what I'm saying.

1360
01:46:31,460 --> 01:46:36,680
Jordan answers no. We've known that this situation related to coordinating with these

1361
01:46:36,680 --> 01:46:40,480
larger water systems has been something that we want to work towards for a little while

1362
01:46:40,480 --> 01:46:45,660
now a couple of years so we've kind of paused on our individual efforts to look

1363
01:46:45,660 --> 01:46:52,040
at additional supply although we have funds in the baked into the utility

1364
01:46:52,040 --> 01:46:55,820
rates and into the capital improvement plan for additional supplies in the

1365
01:46:55,820 --> 01:46:59,020
future so that like the financial resources are there but the actual

1366
01:46:59,020 --> 01:47:01,540
technical planning work really hasn't been done because we've been kind of

1367
01:47:01,540 --> 01:47:04,660
waiting for this moment to figure out what is the best way to coordinate on

1368
01:47:04,660 --> 01:47:11,110
these kind of shared resources. So say that we work closely with parks.

1369
01:47:11,110 --> 01:47:21,930
parks and have inner easements, things like that with parks and some of the areas that

1370
01:47:21,930 --> 01:47:28,170
they've acquired recently towards the middle of the island would be where we consider a

1371
01:47:28,170 --> 01:47:28,910
good source.

1372
01:47:29,450 --> 01:47:36,030
And so being able to have that engagement already helps a lot.

1373
01:47:37,210 --> 01:47:38,390
Is that what you were going to say?

1374
01:47:38,970 --> 01:47:39,010
No.

1375
01:47:39,370 --> 01:47:40,610
I was going to say that.

1376
01:47:40,610 --> 01:47:45,270
I just wanted to share that the district does have actually currently two hydro geologists

1377
01:47:45,270 --> 01:47:45,770
on staff.

1378
01:47:45,990 --> 01:47:50,850
I know you all consult for those things and so we do have one retirement coming so we

1379
01:47:50,850 --> 01:47:55,770
would be losing our senior water resource manager who's been doing this a long time

1380
01:47:55,770 --> 01:48:00,730
in Kitsap County but we have for the last year or so as we've been having these conversations

1381
01:48:00,730 --> 01:48:05,610
obviously talked about whether it be where infrastructure could go or where source could

1382
01:48:05,610 --> 01:48:06,190
be located.

1383
01:48:06,730 --> 01:48:13,430
Looking at all, because we have the ability to look at all the sources on the island and look at those well logs and kind of look at different things.

1384
01:48:13,870 --> 01:48:21,330
Mitigation is a big topic right now with ecology and how much of that water would you, that you pump, we have to put back on the ground to mitigate stream flows.

1385
01:48:21,530 --> 01:48:27,170
And so we have been having those conversations. We have not shared any of those conversations. We thought it felt like that was a little premature.

1386
01:48:27,730 --> 01:48:30,450
But do know that those conversations have been happening at Kitsapudy.

1387
01:48:31,990 --> 01:48:34,670
Thank you so much. That was very helpful. Thank you.

1388
01:48:40,470 --> 01:48:49,170
So first of all, I just want to say that I'm very much in favor of working together and

1389
01:48:49,170 --> 01:48:54,470
having these interties and knowing that the support is going to go both ways and all that.

1390
01:48:55,360 --> 01:49:01,850
I'm also really happy to hear about the beneficial reuse possibilities in the future.

1391
01:49:01,850 --> 01:49:08,190
What I wanted to get back to is maybe some of the equity issues of water use.

1392
01:49:09,150 --> 01:49:16,030
And so, I mean, just as a clarification, if Bainbridge had the same peak water usage

1393
01:49:16,030 --> 01:49:21,230
as your other customers off island, would we be having a problem?

1394
01:49:21,650 --> 01:49:21,710
No.

1395
01:49:22,430 --> 01:49:28,150
So it's safe to say that off island water users, and they're in the same climate

1396
01:49:28,150 --> 01:49:29,510
climate more or less than we are,

1397
01:49:29,830 --> 01:49:33,170
so they're gonna have a lot of irrigation issues

1398
01:49:33,170 --> 01:49:34,450
the same as we do.

1399
01:49:35,530 --> 01:49:39,070
Is it, it's like more than, we're more than twice.

1400
01:49:39,670 --> 01:49:40,650
Is that true?

1401
01:49:41,050 --> 01:49:46,170
You were under 500 anywhere else in the county,

1402
01:49:46,330 --> 01:49:49,950
but I will say it's, climate is actually very different

1403
01:49:49,950 --> 01:49:51,130
even within the county.

1404
01:49:51,750 --> 01:49:55,350
So right now, while Bainbridge is at 80% rainfall,

1405
01:49:55,350 --> 01:49:58,150
Seabuck is over 100% of normal rainfall.

1406
01:49:59,490 --> 01:50:02,670
Hansville is right at AD as well, right?

1407
01:50:02,870 --> 01:50:07,090
So we're seeing things kind of change over time.

1408
01:50:07,730 --> 01:50:10,710
Seabuck is always where we get the most water right now.

1409
01:50:11,230 --> 01:50:12,890
It's also where it snows most

1410
01:50:12,890 --> 01:50:15,910
and usually we have issues with school buses

1411
01:50:15,910 --> 01:50:17,610
and it shuts everyone down.

1412
01:50:18,390 --> 01:50:21,930
But yeah, it is very different

1413
01:50:21,930 --> 01:50:23,810
even across our small county.

1414
01:50:23,810 --> 01:50:32,350
So I will say there is aspects of lack of rain that affect that as well.

1415
01:50:32,770 --> 01:50:36,030
Right. So we need to be careful then comparing apples to apples.

1416
01:50:36,210 --> 01:50:36,530
A little bit.

1417
01:50:36,630 --> 01:50:38,690
If we're going to do that comparison.

1418
01:50:39,230 --> 01:50:43,110
I will say that it is higher.

1419
01:50:44,310 --> 01:50:45,030
It's higher.

1420
01:50:45,530 --> 01:50:46,330
It's higher.

1421
01:50:47,350 --> 01:50:57,150
So, towards that, then, it sounds like you started to work towards education, and does

1422
01:50:57,150 --> 01:51:00,230
that mean reaching out to individual super users?

1423
01:51:00,890 --> 01:51:01,130
Yes.

1424
01:51:01,630 --> 01:51:01,850
Okay.

1425
01:51:02,290 --> 01:51:02,370
Yeah.

1426
01:51:03,390 --> 01:51:08,490
And so, those super users know how they compare to, let's say, the neighborhood average

1427
01:51:09,010 --> 01:51:12,070
or even off-island average.

1428
01:51:12,450 --> 01:51:15,250
We have not done that yet, but that is our plan.

1429
01:51:15,250 --> 01:51:23,270
Yeah, so they don't know today that, I mean, I think, I think, Deputy Mayor, maybe you

1430
01:51:23,270 --> 01:51:27,770
were saying it or, or Councilman or Matthews, you were, it's, we have a lot of people who

1431
01:51:27,770 --> 01:51:28,790
maybe don't even live here.

1432
01:51:28,990 --> 01:51:34,230
And so even though we've provided that information, even though there are bills during the summer

1433
01:51:34,230 --> 01:51:42,430
become quite large, we have some users who are over a thousand, a thousand gallons

1434
01:51:42,430 --> 01:51:52,410
per minute and your average is 618. So, you know, you have these users who aren't encouraged

1435
01:51:52,410 --> 01:51:59,950
to change habits by, and, you know, conservation measures, you increase tiers, right? I mean,

1436
01:52:00,010 --> 01:52:04,830
make it more expensive and that's usually the way that you're able to decrease usage

1437
01:52:05,370 --> 01:52:06,170
in these cases.

1438
01:52:06,170 --> 01:52:07,030
But that might not be...

1439
01:52:07,030 --> 01:52:08,470
In these cases it's not happening.

1440
01:52:08,970 --> 01:52:09,070
Yeah.

1441
01:52:09,070 --> 01:52:15,030
So, the issue I want to bring up is kind of about communication.

1442
01:52:16,070 --> 01:52:27,350
So people, I'm in the central area, so I don't get KPUD communications and whatnot, but people

1443
01:52:27,350 --> 01:52:28,170
have heard about this.

1444
01:52:28,270 --> 01:52:28,890
It's a big deal.

1445
01:52:29,250 --> 01:52:29,390
Absolutely.

1446
01:52:29,810 --> 01:52:33,350
And so, you know, people are sort of looking at the situation.

1447
01:52:33,570 --> 01:52:37,910
They're calling it the water system that is running out of water and residents are

1448
01:52:37,910 --> 01:52:39,350
are being put on water restrictions.

1449
01:52:40,230 --> 01:52:44,150
You can see how there's a tiny, tiny bit of truth to that,

1450
01:52:44,250 --> 01:52:45,970
but that's really not the truth.

1451
01:52:46,230 --> 01:52:46,690
That's over.

1452
01:52:48,230 --> 01:52:53,510
And so what I want to ask about is

1453
01:52:53,510 --> 01:52:58,610
how can this be presented to the community for what it is

1454
01:52:59,810 --> 01:53:04,130
and say that, look, the South End has a big problem

1455
01:53:04,130 --> 01:53:08,090
to solve in terms of lowering its fair usage.

1456
01:53:08,510 --> 01:53:08,570
Yeah.

1457
01:53:10,450 --> 01:53:16,550
I think that is something that we struggled with, with the letter that we sent out as

1458
01:53:16,550 --> 01:53:20,650
well, making sure that we understood there is a concern, right?

1459
01:53:20,890 --> 01:53:29,390
It's not a problem today as far as being able to provide services to the users right

1460
01:53:29,390 --> 01:53:29,690
now.

1461
01:53:30,010 --> 01:53:32,090
There's not a problem today.

1462
01:53:32,090 --> 01:53:38,490
there's a problem with being able to sell binding water letters and believe

1463
01:53:38,490 --> 01:53:44,210
me we've had plenty of people in our well calling me and in our boardroom

1464
01:53:44,210 --> 01:53:49,130
saying hey I was about ready to build right this I've done all these things and

1465
01:53:49,130 --> 01:53:53,430
now I can't get my permit and so obviously it really hurts those

1466
01:53:53,430 --> 01:53:59,390
individuals directly but as far as a whole we had to communicate that yes

1467
01:53:59,390 --> 01:54:05,950
there's a concern yes there will be a problem and we can't sell these and we

1468
01:54:05,950 --> 01:54:11,290
need to do these things for the future. Right okay so I mean also just letting

1469
01:54:11,990 --> 01:54:17,450
some of these super users know that they are basically standing in the way of

1470
01:54:17,450 --> 01:54:21,670
other people building you know their own units on land that they already own and

1471
01:54:21,670 --> 01:54:25,470
we're playing on it for years. There's there's a couple things we're

1472
01:54:25,470 --> 01:54:32,670
working on there that we haven't fully committed to as far as looking at different

1473
01:54:32,670 --> 01:54:39,870
size meters, doing some other things as well to support the general residential

1474
01:54:39,870 --> 01:54:45,490
population and treating those super users a little differently. Maybe just a very

1475
01:54:45,490 --> 01:54:49,810
tiny suggestion would be in addition to some inner ties of the water systems

1476
01:54:49,810 --> 01:54:53,490
maybe there could be some inner ties to the communication so that you know

1477
01:54:53,490 --> 01:54:57,350
our whole island. Absolutely. You know, maybe through the city manager's report or something

1478
01:54:57,350 --> 01:55:02,370
like that, we could learn about what some of these challenges are. That would be that would

1479
01:55:02,370 --> 01:55:08,190
be great. And I know our communications manager is working with your communications person

1480
01:55:08,770 --> 01:55:18,250
to make sure we're looking at this island wide way. So to be able to do a consistent

1481
01:55:18,250 --> 01:55:22,830
message because we do still have conservation desires in North

1482
01:55:22,830 --> 01:55:26,650
Bay Bridge based on usage. Being able to have that message

1483
01:55:26,650 --> 01:55:29,510
consistently across the island is something that we're working

1484
01:55:29,510 --> 01:55:34,890
on right now. Now, now having it be in the in the city

1485
01:55:34,890 --> 01:55:39,010
administrators newsletter, I think it's brilliant. I'll take

1486
01:55:39,010 --> 01:55:40,270
brilliant. Thank you.

1487
01:55:43,030 --> 01:55:45,210
Okay, Councilor Fanatry Johnson, then

1488
01:55:45,210 --> 01:55:48,130
and I'm gonna take a turn and we need to watch our time.

1489
01:55:48,530 --> 01:55:50,110
Thank you, Deputy Mayor.

1490
01:55:50,670 --> 01:55:52,510
Thank you, guys, for coming out

1491
01:55:52,510 --> 01:55:54,490
and giving us this information.

1492
01:55:55,250 --> 01:56:00,930
I guess I was wondering about the super user.

1493
01:56:01,570 --> 01:56:01,670
Yeah.

1494
01:56:03,070 --> 01:56:07,330
Are these individuals or are these businesses

1495
01:56:07,910 --> 01:56:10,070
or are what are these?

1496
01:56:10,630 --> 01:56:13,670
So these are all based on five-eight inch meters

1497
01:56:13,670 --> 01:56:18,470
And I think that's important because I think that was some confusion that people had to like hey

1498
01:56:18,470 --> 01:56:23,090
The pool is causing this problem. It's like no these are five eighths inch meters

1499
01:56:23,090 --> 01:56:27,790
So it is residents who are who are using an extreme amount and

1500
01:56:28,850 --> 01:56:35,170
I'm assuming you have like some historical data to tell you how long this has been happening. Yes

1501
01:56:35,170 --> 01:56:37,110
How long has it been?

1502
01:56:38,850 --> 01:56:41,650
I I've only been GM for four years

1503
01:56:41,650 --> 01:56:48,570
So I'm going to say that beyond me, but it's been happening for some time Dave might have better of that

1504
01:56:52,460 --> 01:56:57,620
So I would say that in general the usage was there

1505
01:56:58,440 --> 01:57:01,020
15 you know, or I guess it's

1506
01:57:01,020 --> 01:57:04,620
11 years ago when we took over ownership of the water systems

1507
01:57:04,620 --> 01:57:11,420
I would say that the characteristics. It's interesting because you put three water systems together, which does provide

1508
01:57:11,420 --> 01:57:18,900
resiliency. I would say there are areas within two of the water systems that

1509
01:57:18,900 --> 01:57:26,080
that really make up the bulk of what you've all labeled as super users and

1510
01:57:26,080 --> 01:57:31,800
and like General Manager said these are these meters were purchased as

1511
01:57:31,800 --> 01:57:39,000
residential connections from the previous owner in most cases or owners in

1512
01:57:39,000 --> 01:57:44,280
in most cases and some of them serve very large

1513
01:57:44,760 --> 01:57:48,500
waterfront homes with a lot of irrigatable outside space.

1514
01:57:48,820 --> 01:57:52,540
Some of them serve adjacent lots.

1515
01:57:53,160 --> 01:57:54,440
Some people own more than one lot

1516
01:57:54,440 --> 01:57:57,580
and maybe have landscaped the entire lot.

1517
01:57:57,820 --> 01:57:59,780
And when we say lot in a city,

1518
01:57:59,860 --> 01:58:01,240
we don't typically think of lots

1519
01:58:01,240 --> 01:58:02,800
that are maybe as big as an acre,

1520
01:58:03,000 --> 01:58:05,380
but that is what we have in the south end of the island.

1521
01:58:05,520 --> 01:58:08,620
And so you can imagine if you purchase $300,000

1522
01:58:08,620 --> 01:58:10,320
with the plants you need to protect your investment.

1523
01:58:11,280 --> 01:58:14,820
We have people, I could go on and on with examples

1524
01:58:14,820 --> 01:58:17,100
of people that I've personally talked to over the years.

1525
01:58:17,380 --> 01:58:18,820
As you can imagine, when they came

1526
01:58:18,820 --> 01:58:20,140
on to PUD rates originally,

1527
01:58:20,420 --> 01:58:21,860
they experienced those tiered rates.

1528
01:58:22,540 --> 01:58:24,340
But like we talked about earlier,

1529
01:58:24,960 --> 01:58:27,940
a majority of them that don't live there

1530
01:58:29,040 --> 01:58:30,860
have other people doing their work for them.

1531
01:58:31,840 --> 01:58:34,240
They also, in some cases, and a lot of the cases

1532
01:58:34,240 --> 01:58:35,960
have somebody else paying their bills for them.

1533
01:58:35,960 --> 01:58:42,860
So they're completely disconnected and so that does make it hard for us to communicate with them.

1534
01:58:43,000 --> 01:58:46,420
I know that I have had the chance over the years to communicate with some of them

1535
01:58:47,640 --> 01:58:52,760
and they believe that they're doing their absolute best to use water wisely.

1536
01:58:53,000 --> 01:58:58,960
They're buying the most expensive irrigation controller that adjusts to where the sun is

1537
01:58:58,960 --> 01:59:01,660
in direction of the earth and the evapotranspiration and all that.

1538
01:59:01,660 --> 01:59:06,160
But maybe one thing they didn't realize is that on that peak day, when all those things

1539
01:59:06,160 --> 01:59:10,680
are at play, it actually has their system watering more, which is a negative for our water system.

1540
01:59:11,080 --> 01:59:15,200
So there is some education opportunities with people, but it is hard to be able to get

1541
01:59:15,200 --> 01:59:19,480
in touch with them because they are fairly disconnected, able to have a great life,

1542
01:59:19,680 --> 01:59:19,980
obviously.

1543
01:59:20,280 --> 01:59:25,600
I guess I just want to piggyback on that a little bit.

1544
01:59:25,600 --> 01:59:37,180
But there's a problem that we see in IT, shadow IT, and, you know, people have servers and

1545
01:59:37,180 --> 01:59:41,900
stuff under their desk, and we don't know who's using AI, and we turn it all off.

1546
01:59:43,000 --> 01:59:46,840
And then we find them, you know, we get their attention.

1547
01:59:47,540 --> 01:59:54,960
If we're trying to mitigate this, if we're trying to make sure that every person on this

1548
01:59:54,960 --> 01:59:58,200
Island has a right to water.

1549
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:08,160
I would think that if this has been happening for a long time, I think some drastic action

1550
02:00:08,860 --> 02:00:15,120
is needed. I like what you guys are doing, but I think we have to try to go above that

1551
02:00:15,520 --> 02:00:22,380
to get these people's attention. And I don't know if just, you know, sending a letter out

1552
02:00:22,380 --> 02:00:29,060
to all of us will work. I mean, it's, you know, I'm just saying, I think that we have

1553
02:00:29,060 --> 02:00:34,700
to get a little bit more creative in trying to get these people's attention to let them

1554
02:00:34,700 --> 02:00:40,340
know that, no, our water isn't, we're not at the stage where it's critical, but another

1555
02:00:40,340 --> 02:00:41,320
15 years.

1556
02:00:41,540 --> 02:00:41,680
Yeah.

1557
02:00:41,680 --> 02:00:42,020
It will be.

1558
02:00:42,720 --> 02:00:42,760
Yeah.

1559
02:00:43,120 --> 02:00:43,440
You know.

1560
02:00:43,780 --> 02:00:53,920
I will say that the other residents on the system have benefited from these super

1561
02:00:53,920 --> 02:00:59,540
users in rates being lower, right, because those have been able to offset that.

1562
02:00:59,940 --> 02:01:06,700
And when there wasn't this issue, it didn't, there wasn't a communication to reduce.

1563
02:01:07,320 --> 02:01:14,300
And so now that we're stepping into it, it changes what we need to do and how we need

1564
02:01:14,300 --> 02:01:15,860
to work with these individuals.

1565
02:01:16,140 --> 02:01:22,240
And so I think there is lots of opportunity for us to look at creative ways.

1566
02:01:22,240 --> 02:01:28,140
turning people's water off probably is not one of them necessarily or at least

1567
02:01:28,140 --> 02:01:33,440
not the top the first thing but definitely in telecom I know that works

1568
02:01:33,440 --> 02:01:40,460
really well and you do get people calling right away so yeah thank you okay so

1569
02:01:40,460 --> 02:01:44,260
I'm I'm taking the last shot here and I know we're way over so I'm going to try

1570
02:01:44,260 --> 02:01:52,140
to be quick but it also is a very important issue to me and I am a

1571
02:01:52,140 --> 02:01:56,160
Real quick, I guess I wanted to say I'm kind of thinking there's two tracks here.

1572
02:01:56,220 --> 02:01:59,500
I want to make a point about that one goes in the direction of what Councilmember Fanatroy

1573
02:01:59,500 --> 02:02:05,080
Johnson said, which is that absolutely with a super user problem, I'm imagining that

1574
02:02:05,080 --> 02:02:08,480
Council would support you in whatever, and obviously this is your choice ultimately,

1575
02:02:08,760 --> 02:02:12,540
but in doing, taking whatever drastic measures are necessary, and I know I've read before

1576
02:02:12,540 --> 02:02:17,580
in California, some jurisdictions taking some pretty severe, maybe I don't quite

1577
02:02:17,580 --> 02:02:20,640
understand how they do it, but you probably do, where they bring it down to just

1578
02:02:20,640 --> 02:02:21,460
some little flow.

1579
02:02:21,460 --> 02:02:26,040
I don't know how you regulate that, that provides enough for essentials, right?

1580
02:02:26,500 --> 02:02:30,200
For people who don't, for whom pocketbook impact doesn't matter.

1581
02:02:30,720 --> 02:02:31,900
So even some famous people.

1582
02:02:32,920 --> 02:02:35,360
So there's that, and I'm fully supportive of that.

1583
02:02:35,560 --> 02:02:39,240
And I'm supportive of the fact that if what that means, I'm not just saying that

1584
02:02:39,240 --> 02:02:43,480
ultimately shifts a little more cost to us, smaller users,

1585
02:02:43,620 --> 02:02:47,700
because that will help us, if we do fill that pinch, behave better ourselves, right?

1586
02:02:47,700 --> 02:02:53,520
Yeah, I also want to be a little defensive of the south end because I feel like we've got these superviewsers

1587
02:02:53,520 --> 02:02:55,380
And I want them as far as you know

1588
02:02:55,380 --> 02:02:57,080
I'm sure we all need to clamp down a bit

1589
02:02:57,080 --> 02:03:02,800
But I've been thinking before you mentioned about the regional differences and for example the difference between north and south

1590
02:03:02,800 --> 02:03:05,120
Bainbridge in soils sun exposure

1591
02:03:05,120 --> 02:03:10,980
Dryness etc. Yeah, you can't compare it. It's mostly forested up north and I think I also just want to put that

1592
02:03:10,980 --> 02:03:16,760
I just want to just just be a little defensive of some people who not everybody in the south end is is watering the lush

1593
02:03:16,760 --> 02:03:22,180
landscape as opposed to also growing food and so forth. So putting that little defensive

1594
02:03:22,180 --> 02:03:26,700
thing out there. A couple little... Appreciate that, yes. Yeah, because it's not all, it's

1595
02:03:26,700 --> 02:03:31,480
not all elite. Some of it's actually getting your hands dirty. You can tell I actually

1596
02:03:31,480 --> 02:03:38,480
like to grow things too. But a couple specific questions I think policy-wise. So intertie-wise,

1597
02:03:38,760 --> 02:03:42,560
when we have an intertie and this may differ whether it's the south or the eventual

1598
02:03:42,560 --> 02:03:48,400
north. Is this something that stays open and is constantly flowing, or is this something

1599
02:03:48,400 --> 02:03:52,000
that is activated, seasonally activated in crisis or which?

1600
02:03:52,480 --> 02:03:57,900
In this case, it would be activated as needed. It really, it's a matter of putting it on

1601
02:03:57,900 --> 02:04:03,060
paper that this is available to us. Okay, great. Another question is, I hope

1602
02:04:03,060 --> 02:04:07,040
I'm hearing, and I just wanted to directly ask, when we're talking about being able

1603
02:04:07,040 --> 02:04:10,540
to access different sources, presumed at different times

1604
02:04:10,540 --> 02:04:13,800
by more organizations, a larger, the whole jurisdiction

1605
02:04:13,800 --> 02:04:15,360
pretty much at that point.

1606
02:04:15,920 --> 02:04:19,100
Are we talking very specifically about looking at things

1607
02:04:19,100 --> 02:04:21,740
like trying to shelter the water in the Fletcher Bay aquifer

1608
02:04:21,740 --> 02:04:24,000
more than some, I think North Bainbridge draws from it,

1609
02:04:24,060 --> 02:04:26,640
City draws heavily, and saying, how do we maximize

1610
02:04:26,640 --> 02:04:29,480
our shallower aquifers to draw less of the,

1611
02:04:29,980 --> 02:04:30,860
less rechargeable?

1612
02:04:30,920 --> 02:04:31,660
Yeah, absolutely.

1613
02:04:32,060 --> 02:04:33,740
And I think one of the things Dave said earlier,

1614
02:04:33,940 --> 02:04:35,120
that ties into mitigation.

1615
02:04:35,120 --> 02:04:42,580
deeper you go, the more mitigation you have. And so at this point, going into that deep

1616
02:04:42,580 --> 02:04:48,940
aquifer doesn't financially make sense when you start looking at it. It may in the future,

1617
02:04:49,080 --> 02:04:52,240
but right now, we're definitely looking at other options.

1618
02:04:52,600 --> 02:04:56,280
Okay, great. Just real quick, I want to see if I had a couple other questions.

1619
02:04:58,740 --> 02:04:59,260
No,

1620
02:04:59,420 --> 02:05:04,180
I think just one, I want to just say, I'm happy to hear, I heard the word stream

1621
02:05:04,180 --> 02:05:08,120
flow at least once. I mean, at least knowing that that's on your radar because of DOE, I

1622
02:05:08,120 --> 02:05:11,820
think that probably makes us all happy to know that, yes, we all care first about making

1623
02:05:11,820 --> 02:05:17,260
sure we have potable water. But last question, it's a question or maybe just an idea, but

1624
02:05:17,880 --> 02:05:23,240
are you exploring any incentivizing of drip systems or does that not help? Because that's

1625
02:05:23,240 --> 02:05:27,420
something I know I've got the pieces of that I'm eventually going to put in myself

1626
02:05:27,420 --> 02:05:29,000
and doesn't that help quite a bit?

1627
02:05:29,640 --> 02:05:35,760
I we have not gone into any kind of supplemental like green barrels things

1628
02:05:35,760 --> 02:05:41,160
like that or or anything of that nature at this time really looking at if we

1629
02:05:41,160 --> 02:05:45,320
could do this every other day how does it work and then taking those next steps

1630
02:05:45,320 --> 02:05:48,620
okay yeah I meant long-term I know that wouldn't overnight help but yeah

1631
02:05:48,620 --> 02:05:52,380
yeah well I don't have any more questions one more follow-up question

1632
02:05:52,380 --> 02:05:56,160
from Councilmember Land I do actually I've got a question and I'd like to

1633
02:05:56,160 --> 02:05:56,880
actually make a motion.

1634
02:05:59,110 --> 02:06:02,240
I would like to just clarify with the city,

1635
02:06:03,430 --> 02:06:07,360
interim city manager, if the planning department is making

1636
02:06:07,360 --> 02:06:10,640
any accommodations for folks who have permits,

1637
02:06:11,420 --> 02:06:17,740
mid-flow, so to speak, and cannot complete their proposed

1638
02:06:17,740 --> 02:06:23,540
buildings because they don't have the water that they

1639
02:06:23,540 --> 02:06:25,360
need for our permit requirements.

1640
02:06:26,040 --> 02:06:27,740
Is there something already happening in that?

1641
02:06:28,360 --> 02:06:31,060
I think we're going to take those on a case-by-case basis,

1642
02:06:31,240 --> 02:06:34,020
but you do need a water availability hookup

1643
02:06:34,020 --> 02:06:35,280
to get a building permit.

1644
02:06:35,780 --> 02:06:36,020
OK.

1645
02:06:36,440 --> 02:06:39,000
So the folks that are halfway through this process,

1646
02:06:39,460 --> 02:06:42,700
we will be lenient with them if at all possible.

1647
02:06:43,380 --> 02:06:45,440
We'll certainly want to be in communication with everybody.

1648
02:06:45,640 --> 02:06:48,820
But again, if you don't have a water hookup,

1649
02:06:49,080 --> 02:06:50,860
it's you can't build a house.

1650
02:06:51,320 --> 02:06:51,500
Right.

1651
02:06:51,500 --> 02:06:57,040
But there's a, when you apply for a permit, there's a timeline and sometimes that expires

1652
02:06:57,040 --> 02:06:58,420
before you get all your parts in.

1653
02:06:58,540 --> 02:07:02,800
So I just want to make sure that we're being cognizant of timelines associated with permit

1654
02:07:02,800 --> 02:07:03,960
applications as well.

1655
02:07:04,260 --> 02:07:06,620
Certainly, I would encourage people to come talk to us.

1656
02:07:06,880 --> 02:07:07,040
Wonderful.

1657
02:07:07,420 --> 02:07:07,600
Okay.

1658
02:07:07,740 --> 02:07:08,100
Thank you.

1659
02:07:08,500 --> 02:07:14,980
Well, if I might make a motion that we send this over to this discussion for a potential

1660
02:07:14,980 --> 02:07:18,980
interlocal agreement to be forwarded to the Utility Advisory Committee for their

1661
02:07:18,980 --> 02:07:19,980
review and recommendation.

1662
02:07:19,980 --> 02:07:24,120
I can second. Okay. Discussion?

1663
02:07:27,870 --> 02:07:32,790
Oh sorry council member Nelson. I want to move to amend the

1664
02:07:32,790 --> 02:07:38,650
motion to add at the end with a recommendation from the City Council for an added provision

1665
02:07:38,650 --> 02:07:44,550
providing that any water provided by the City of Bambridge to KPUD may only be used to

1666
02:07:44,550 --> 02:07:46,290
service customers on Bambridge Island.

1667
02:07:49,140 --> 02:07:54,020
I'm not sure if that's necessary given

1668
02:07:54,020 --> 02:07:55,660
in the nature of an interlocal agreement, but.

1669
02:07:59,020 --> 02:08:00,860
I understand that that's where the water would go.

1670
02:08:00,980 --> 02:08:02,080
It doesn't go on filing,

1671
02:08:02,280 --> 02:08:05,240
but it just puts the next formation point on the point,

1672
02:08:05,500 --> 02:08:05,840
I guess.

1673
02:08:06,300 --> 02:08:06,540
Okay.

1674
02:08:06,700 --> 02:08:06,920
All right.

1675
02:08:08,760 --> 02:08:11,320
Any issue, I guess I'd SSC manager, no problem with that.

1676
02:08:11,540 --> 02:08:12,620
I'm going to the, you may see,

1677
02:08:12,720 --> 02:08:13,700
might have already been going there.

1678
02:08:14,560 --> 02:08:15,280
No, that's just fine.

1679
02:08:17,140 --> 02:08:18,020
Council Member Schneider.

1680
02:08:18,920 --> 02:08:20,060
I guess I disagree.

1681
02:08:20,400 --> 02:08:22,140
I think that that sends an interesting

1682
02:08:22,140 --> 02:08:24,740
and possibly wrong message

1683
02:08:24,740 --> 02:08:29,540
that there is a possibility for it going off-island and so I think I would vote

1684
02:08:29,540 --> 02:08:37,700
against you know putting that out there as a presumed possibility. Do we want to

1685
02:08:37,700 --> 02:08:42,980
vote on the motion as amended? Just for clarification the Councilor Nelson did

1686
02:08:42,980 --> 02:08:48,780
not get a second. Oh you did? All right. Well what are your thoughts?

1687
02:08:51,660 --> 02:08:52,100
I'm willing

1688
02:08:52,100 --> 02:08:55,240
to speak to that. I kind of feel the same way honestly but I mean I was

1689
02:08:55,240 --> 02:08:59,800
this kind of where I was going. If we could move water on and off the island to the jurisdictions

1690
02:09:00,310 --> 02:09:05,140
and maybe you mean other water systems? If we're talking about other jurisdictions, I

1691
02:09:05,140 --> 02:09:08,180
don't think we're worried that water is going to be going off the island.

1692
02:09:10,790 --> 02:09:16,790
No, when I asked KPUD about it, they specifically said that that's not contemplated in the

1693
02:09:16,790 --> 02:09:20,190
short term, but it could be a possibility in the long term and that it sounded like

1694
02:09:20,190 --> 02:09:22,010
they were completely fine with such a provision.

1695
02:09:22,210 --> 02:09:25,470
Okay, why don't we see clarification? I thought that was about between local

1696
02:09:25,470 --> 02:09:31,370
water systems not clarification is that in a long term it would only be to move

1697
02:09:31,370 --> 02:09:36,470
water on to the island there's no there's no water that would be moved off

1698
02:09:36,470 --> 02:09:45,450
island for the peninsula there's just not a need so I don't see any reason why

1699
02:09:45,450 --> 02:09:52,610
not to include it that's what I'm saying okay vote for the motion as

1700
02:09:52,610 --> 02:09:54,010
As amended, all those in favor?

1701
02:09:54,170 --> 02:09:54,870
Point of order.

1702
02:09:55,090 --> 02:09:57,270
We want to vote for the amendment of the motion.

1703
02:09:57,530 --> 02:09:58,130
Oh, thank you.

1704
02:09:58,290 --> 02:09:58,450
Okay.

1705
02:09:58,630 --> 02:09:58,870
That's right.

1706
02:09:59,010 --> 02:09:59,230
Sorry.

1707
02:10:00,170 --> 02:10:01,090
All those in favor?

1708
02:10:02,030 --> 02:10:02,310
Aye.

1709
02:10:03,030 --> 02:10:03,390
Opposed?

1710
02:10:04,090 --> 02:10:04,310
Aye.

1711
02:10:05,290 --> 02:10:05,510
Okay.

1712
02:10:06,010 --> 02:10:10,490
So we're back to the original motion, which is to move this to the UAC for their input.

1713
02:10:11,190 --> 02:10:12,170
For the discussion.

1714
02:10:13,990 --> 02:10:14,350
Okay.

1715
02:10:14,530 --> 02:10:17,470
I'd just like to say that I think the UAC will bring back some recommendations.

1716
02:10:17,930 --> 02:10:21,770
And if you want to add that exclamation point then, we can talk about it one more

1717
02:10:21,770 --> 02:10:28,870
time, but I think they'll do their thing and bring something forward to us that will be

1718
02:10:28,870 --> 02:10:29,290
approvable.

1719
02:10:30,930 --> 02:10:33,010
Okay, all those in favor?

1720
02:10:33,610 --> 02:10:33,990
Aye.

1721
02:10:34,790 --> 02:10:35,050
Opposed?

1722
02:10:35,650 --> 02:10:35,970
Nay.

1723
02:10:36,370 --> 02:10:39,010
Okay, motion carries six to one.

1724
02:10:40,270 --> 02:10:41,150
Thank you very much.

1725
02:10:41,490 --> 02:10:45,690
Thank you, and I do want to take this opportunity, or we want to take this opportunity to

1726
02:10:45,690 --> 02:10:51,290
just thank Chris Forsbecky for all the work and all the engagement he has had with

1727
02:10:51,290 --> 02:10:55,750
kids have PUD over the years. And state that we will miss him. Thank you, Chris.

1728
02:11:04,650 --> 02:11:10,350
All right. The next item is 3C received 2025 report and 2026 work plan for the Climate

1729
02:11:10,350 --> 02:11:17,630
Change Advisory Committee. Thank you, Council. And thank you to three members of the Climate

1730
02:11:17,630 --> 02:11:22,770
Change Advisory Committee who are here, including one of our longest serving Climate

1731
02:11:22,770 --> 02:11:26,190
Change Advisory Committee members. I believe he has been on the Climate Change Advisory

1732
02:11:26,190 --> 02:11:30,370
Committee since its inception, so thanks, Mike, for coming today, and thank you to the

1733
02:11:30,370 --> 02:11:35,510
Vice Chair, Sanjay Bhatt, who will be speaking about the activities in the last year and

1734
02:11:35,510 --> 02:11:37,330
introducing the work plan for the coming year.

1735
02:11:37,530 --> 02:11:37,810
Thank you.

1736
02:11:38,630 --> 02:11:39,170
Thank you.

1737
02:11:39,250 --> 02:11:39,530
Good evening.

1738
02:11:39,810 --> 02:11:40,930
My name is Sanjay Bhatt.

1739
02:11:41,150 --> 02:11:44,270
I'm the current Vice Chair of your Climate Change Advisory Committee.

1740
02:11:44,850 --> 02:11:49,230
I'll be delivering our report tonight as our Chair, Kevin Thomas, is out of town.

1741
02:11:49,690 --> 02:11:54,430
I just want to acknowledge, as you already acknowledged, Committee veteran Mike Cox,

1742
02:11:54,430 --> 02:11:55,990
My colleagues, Steve Richard.

1743
02:11:56,690 --> 02:12:00,670
We're a group of residents who meet once a month,

1744
02:12:00,790 --> 02:12:02,310
along with our council liaisons,

1745
02:12:05,450 --> 02:12:07,110
councilmember Hytopoulos and Schneider.

1746
02:12:07,450 --> 02:12:07,790
Thank you.

1747
02:12:08,310 --> 02:12:09,630
And I'm still learning a lot,

1748
02:12:09,690 --> 02:12:11,170
so I'm going to touch on a few highlights

1749
02:12:11,170 --> 02:12:12,510
from the report that you have.

1750
02:12:13,330 --> 02:12:16,550
One of them is the Kicking Gas Heat Pump Pilot Program.

1751
02:12:17,430 --> 02:12:20,130
The CCAC originally helped design this pilot,

1752
02:12:20,310 --> 02:12:21,470
and once it was completed,

1753
02:12:21,470 --> 02:12:26,150
We reviewed the findings with climate manager Laura Reiser and recommended next steps.

1754
02:12:26,730 --> 02:12:28,810
In short, the pilot was a huge success.

1755
02:12:29,250 --> 02:12:31,510
It met its target for the number of installations.

1756
02:12:32,030 --> 02:12:37,450
And just as important, 90% of installations served the city's priority demographic.

1757
02:12:38,530 --> 02:12:41,670
Households at or below 80% of area median income.

1758
02:12:42,670 --> 02:12:49,050
The CCAC has recommended that the city sustain this program by leveraging partnerships and financing for this program,

1759
02:12:49,050 --> 02:12:53,570
program, which could include collaborating with regional organizations, grant makers,

1760
02:12:53,930 --> 02:12:56,190
and equity focused financing entities.

1761
02:12:57,010 --> 02:13:02,130
Moreover the city should explore more incentives covering additional electrification needs

1762
02:13:02,130 --> 02:13:07,330
such as induction cooking and heat pump water heaters and potential incentives for

1763
02:13:07,330 --> 02:13:08,750
renters and small businesses.

1764
02:13:09,570 --> 02:13:13,750
Finally the city should use hybrid models that combine virtual information sessions

1765
02:13:13,750 --> 02:13:15,010
with in-person events.

1766
02:13:16,270 --> 02:13:21,570
Another program that we wanted to highlight was the electric vehicle charging code for

1767
02:13:21,570 --> 02:13:22,430
multifamily buildings.

1768
02:13:23,170 --> 02:13:28,310
Two years ago, as you know, following a request from council liaisons and city staff, your

1769
02:13:28,310 --> 02:13:32,190
advisory committee reviewed the city's EV charging code for multifamily buildings.

1770
02:13:32,950 --> 02:13:37,910
The key idea is that these buildings are designed to be around for 75-plus years,

1771
02:13:38,250 --> 02:13:42,750
and it's far more cost-effective to design the charging infrastructure up front than

1772
02:13:42,750 --> 02:13:46,610
and trying to retrofit, plus raising the required number

1773
02:13:46,610 --> 02:13:49,470
of EV charging spaces and multifamily buildings

1774
02:13:49,910 --> 02:13:52,130
supports the Climate Action Plan's goal

1775
02:13:52,130 --> 02:13:54,070
of reducing greenhouse gas emissions

1776
02:13:54,070 --> 02:13:55,510
from motorized transportation.

1777
02:13:56,330 --> 02:13:58,670
It also supports equity by making it feasible

1778
02:13:58,670 --> 02:14:00,530
for those who live in multifamily buildings

1779
02:14:00,750 --> 02:14:03,150
to enjoy the same access to EVs

1780
02:14:03,150 --> 02:14:04,790
as residents of single-family homes.

1781
02:14:05,710 --> 02:14:08,270
Last year, the city engaged an intern,

1782
02:14:08,710 --> 02:14:10,870
Maury Harbick, to conduct further research

1783
02:14:10,870 --> 02:14:16,870
and consult with the CCAC. Two of our members joined Maury to table at the farmer's market

1784
02:14:16,870 --> 02:14:22,490
to gather feedback on potential options. And late last year, Maury presented his recommendations

1785
02:14:22,490 --> 02:14:27,990
to the CCAC. And our committee liked his proposal of raising the required percentage

1786
02:14:27,990 --> 02:14:35,110
of EV-ready and EV-capable spaces in a stair-step fashion with an opportunity for the council

1787
02:14:35,110 --> 02:14:38,070
to weigh input before each increase goes into effect.

1788
02:14:39,450 --> 02:14:45,470
We also suggest the city use some objective milestones such as increases in new EV registrations

1789
02:14:45,470 --> 02:14:48,330
on Bainbridge to guide the pace of these increases.

1790
02:14:49,850 --> 02:14:54,650
But in order to make this work, the CCAC also discussed developer's need for permitting

1791
02:14:54,650 --> 02:14:59,230
readiness and greater predictability from Puget Sound Energy into the utilities

1792
02:14:59,230 --> 02:14:59,590
these process.

1793
02:15:14,640 --> 02:15:25,760
This is a memo that the CCAC coauthored with the REAC or the Race Equity Advisory Committee

1794
02:15:25,760 --> 02:15:30,320
on recommendations regarding the draft zero emissions landscaping ordinance.

1795
02:15:31,060 --> 02:15:35,720
The memo proposed an alternative to the draft ordinance recommending a more targeted and

1796
02:15:35,720 --> 02:15:36,440
phased approach.

1797
02:15:38,980 --> 02:15:43,780
One of the things that the memo recommended was that the council consider banning the

1798
02:15:43,780 --> 02:15:49,000
use of all gas powered leaf blowers on the island in the near term, set an overall goal

1799
02:15:49,000 --> 02:15:53,220
for how many landscaping tools are used on the island that should be non-gas powered

1800
02:15:53,220 --> 02:15:59,600
by 2030 and supporting the community and businesses in their efforts to transition away from gas-powered

1801
02:15:59,600 --> 02:15:59,960
tools.

1802
02:16:01,080 --> 02:16:06,200
Now looking ahead to this year, the committee plans to work with the climate manager to update

1803
02:16:06,200 --> 02:16:11,100
and revise the CAP or the Climate Action Plan by conducting analysis on the current

1804
02:16:11,100 --> 02:16:14,060
document and participating in community outreach activities.

1805
02:16:14,860 --> 02:16:19,260
Along with that, we want to support Laura as she pilots climate-informed decision-making

1806
02:16:19,260 --> 02:16:24,520
using the Climate Lens Tool and the development of a public-facing dashboard tracking the

1807
02:16:24,520 --> 02:16:26,980
city's progress toward the CAP goals.

1808
02:16:29,760 --> 02:16:33,160
Another initiative this year is the Solarized Bain Bridge.

1809
02:16:34,120 --> 02:16:38,800
More than 150 households applied for this program for a free solar assessment on their

1810
02:16:38,800 --> 02:16:43,240
home to see if they could cost-effectively generate their own electricity by installing

1811
02:16:43,240 --> 02:16:44,700
solar panels on their home's roof.

1812
02:16:45,420 --> 02:16:49,080
The committee would like to support and extend the work of the climate manager and

1813
02:16:49,080 --> 02:16:54,060
of Olympia Community Solar and collaborate with the newly formed Bainbridge Solar Collective.

1814
02:16:54,740 --> 02:16:58,720
This is a program with great potential to help the island reduce greenhouse gas emissions

1815
02:16:59,130 --> 02:17:01,320
and become just a bit more energy resilient.

1816
02:17:01,520 --> 02:17:06,360
As you heard earlier this evening from the consultants, residential electricity usage

1817
02:17:06,360 --> 02:17:09,580
accounted for about a third of community-wide emissions.

1818
02:17:11,740 --> 02:17:17,720
Finally, just to come back also for this year to the EV charging code after all

1819
02:17:17,720 --> 02:17:22,220
the work that's been done, the committee would like to work with city staff to advance updates

1820
02:17:22,220 --> 02:17:28,080
to the city's charging code, EV charging code that broadens access to level two charging

1821
02:17:28,080 --> 02:17:33,100
in new multi-family buildings. We're certainly seeing renewed interest in EVs now as gas

1822
02:17:33,100 --> 02:17:37,780
prices hit record highs and prices for used EVs are actually at parity with prices

1823
02:17:37,780 --> 02:17:42,380
for used cars with gas engines. Thanks for your time and we're happy to answer any

1824
02:17:42,380 --> 02:17:46,860
questions and I'm going to ask Mike and Steve also to come up if they feel so

1825
02:17:46,860 --> 02:17:48,960
so compelled if you all have questions that I can't answer.

1826
02:17:49,240 --> 02:17:49,600
Thank you.

1827
02:17:50,380 --> 02:17:51,120
Thank you.

1828
02:17:51,940 --> 02:17:52,720
Council Member Nelson.

1829
02:17:53,720 --> 02:17:57,620
Yeah, I just want to say thank you to you very much support

1830
02:17:57,620 --> 02:17:59,240
and appreciate the work of this committee.

1831
02:17:59,860 --> 02:18:02,100
And I think, in particular, I really

1832
02:18:02,100 --> 02:18:06,440
like number six on the work plan given the sort of,

1833
02:18:07,100 --> 02:18:09,140
I mean, again, I mentioned the repeal of the Inflation

1834
02:18:09,140 --> 02:18:11,560
Reduction Act and kind of the hostility

1835
02:18:11,560 --> 02:18:15,360
of the Trump administration towards climate mitigation.

1836
02:18:15,360 --> 02:18:22,240
and then the increased demand from AI and everything like that and sort of non-renewables

1837
02:18:22,880 --> 02:18:28,760
demand for those coming back on. You're just seeing more and more folks think about, you

1838
02:18:28,760 --> 02:18:34,560
know, you know, kind of like resilience and adaptation, I guess is what I'm getting at.

1839
02:18:34,680 --> 02:18:39,040
And so given that we are on an island, I definitely appreciate sort of addressing

1840
02:18:39,040 --> 02:18:44,160
the idea of rising sea level. So thank you for that. I think the only real question

1841
02:18:44,160 --> 02:18:50,460
that I have is I don't know anything about this climate lens tool so I'm

1842
02:18:50,460 --> 02:18:56,080
curious if this has been done can I get a copy has this been looked at and

1843
02:18:56,080 --> 02:19:00,600
approved by council yeah I'm gonna defer to Mike he's got more background on

1844
02:19:00,600 --> 02:19:07,600
that topic than I do my understanding right now we worked on a climate lens

1845
02:19:07,600 --> 02:19:12,680
when for a number of years that didn't quite work out so the city is

1846
02:19:12,680 --> 02:19:17,080
currently working on the lens but personally to me that's a foundation of

1847
02:19:17,080 --> 02:19:22,460
how we make sure we have a resilient adaptation in our permitting and

1848
02:19:22,460 --> 02:19:27,240
everything else. There's a checklist. Here's what you need to consider when we

1849
02:19:27,240 --> 02:19:31,960
meaning the city is trying to decide whether somebody should get a permit

1850
02:19:31,960 --> 02:19:37,260
and secondly people coming in becomes very clear what the city is expecting so

1851
02:19:37,260 --> 02:19:41,620
I'm hoping we make some improvements and advancements as you that's the

1852
02:19:41,620 --> 02:19:48,340
And once it's done will you bring it to council for our review? Oh, yeah, I mean, I'm not speaking for the city

1853
02:19:48,340 --> 02:19:53,360
So I don't speak for the city. I try not to but I would hope so. Okay. Very good

1854
02:19:53,360 --> 02:19:56,240
Well, thank you very much for your work on this and just appreciate it

1855
02:19:57,720 --> 02:19:58,580
Councilor Schneider

1856
02:19:59,480 --> 02:20:00,600
Thank You deputy mayor

1857
02:20:01,520 --> 02:20:03,660
so I I

1858
02:20:03,660 --> 02:20:11,420
Guess I was very excited to go through the greenhouse gas emissions report and I'm sure that you'll all be

1859
02:20:12,480 --> 02:20:16,480
chomping at the bit to get into it a little bit more and take credit where credit do, right?

1860
02:20:17,540 --> 02:20:18,880
So I'm really looking forward to that.

1861
02:20:19,680 --> 02:20:27,060
One thing that's new now that maybe hasn't been considered in the work plan is that there's

1862
02:20:27,060 --> 02:20:31,580
a mobility advisory committee coming on board somewhat soon.

1863
02:20:32,000 --> 02:20:37,920
And I know that there was a time when we looked at maybe having a mobility subcommittee

1864
02:20:37,920 --> 02:20:39,800
of the CCAC.

1865
02:20:39,800 --> 02:20:46,560
And so my only suggestion right now is that, you know, find ways to collaborate.

1866
02:20:47,300 --> 02:20:54,740
And so maybe in the greenhouse gas report or, you know, in your next goals forward or whatever,

1867
02:20:55,160 --> 02:21:00,940
maybe collaborate on vehicle miles traveled reductions in that and so forth, you know,

1868
02:21:01,000 --> 02:21:02,800
with that new group.

1869
02:21:02,800 --> 02:21:09,200
So, and I'm really happy to be back serving as a liaison.

1870
02:21:11,040 --> 02:21:11,840
Thank you.

1871
02:21:12,200 --> 02:21:13,580
Do we have a motion?

1872
02:21:14,580 --> 02:21:15,160
I'll take it.

1873
02:21:16,360 --> 02:21:17,460
Thank you, Deputy Mayor.

1874
02:21:17,640 --> 02:21:21,220
I move to forward the 2026 work plan for the Climate Change

1875
02:21:21,220 --> 02:21:22,980
Advisory Committee to a future business meeting

1876
02:21:22,980 --> 02:21:24,660
for consideration of approval.

1877
02:21:25,540 --> 02:21:26,100
Second.

1878
02:21:26,840 --> 02:21:28,000
Any discussion?

1879
02:21:29,220 --> 02:21:29,900
All right.

1880
02:21:29,980 --> 02:21:30,600
All those in favor?

1881
02:21:30,860 --> 02:21:31,000
Aye.

1882
02:21:41,540 --> 02:22:00,920
Thank you all for all your hard work. Thank you very much thank you. It looks like let's see we had we struck item 3d and we are on 3e discuss and provide direction to the Planning Commission to base on request from the April 9th and April 16th 2020.

1883
02:22:00,920 --> 02:22:02,140
my six Blaine Commission meetings.

1884
02:22:05,260 --> 02:22:08,280
Okay, thank you Council. This last item is really time

1885
02:22:08,280 --> 02:22:13,900
for your discussion and if desired, motions to provide direction to the Planning Commission.

1886
02:22:14,520 --> 02:22:18,340
I do want to note that while it's customary at study sessions that the Council not pass

1887
02:22:18,340 --> 02:22:24,500
motions, today it is certainly possible for you to do so and I note that you did

1888
02:22:24,500 --> 02:22:28,580
indicate in your packet that you might be making motions tonight so it would

1889
02:22:28,580 --> 02:22:34,640
not be unexpected. And indeed, I think that was part of the point of the meeting. At Council

1890
02:22:34,640 --> 02:22:38,620
Member Request, there is a significant amount of material in the packet. I hope this helps

1891
02:22:38,620 --> 02:22:43,240
support your discussion. I also will note that we did get some motions which were passed

1892
02:22:43,240 --> 02:22:50,140
out for your reference today. Final note, we did receive a reply from the Department

1893
02:22:50,140 --> 02:22:54,840
of Commerce related to the Housing Accountability Act yesterday. That information was sent

1894
02:22:54,840 --> 02:22:59,780
to the Council and also posted to the city's website for interested members of the public

1895
02:22:59,780 --> 02:23:04,860
on the Housing Accountability Act page. Our reply to the letter that we received yesterday

1896
02:23:04,860 --> 02:23:09,340
is due in the middle of August. We'll be working on that and we'll also post that information

1897
02:23:09,860 --> 02:23:13,520
to the website when it's sent and be happy to discuss that with Council before that

1898
02:23:13,520 --> 02:23:14,880
time. Thank you.

1899
02:23:15,120 --> 02:23:15,460
Thank you.

1900
02:23:16,140 --> 02:23:20,580
So Council, this is our discussion. We won't be having any staff presentation. Hopefully

1901
02:23:20,580 --> 02:23:23,860
We were anticipating providing some sort of response

1902
02:23:23,860 --> 02:23:26,580
to Planning Commission's request for feedback

1903
02:23:26,580 --> 02:23:29,040
on the position that they've described themselves in

1904
02:23:29,700 --> 02:23:32,080
and possibly the council will entertain

1905
02:23:32,080 --> 02:23:34,820
some additional motions to address next steps

1906
02:23:34,820 --> 02:23:36,680
and helping us wrap this up

1907
02:23:36,680 --> 02:23:39,080
as far as compliance with 1220

1908
02:23:39,640 --> 02:23:41,700
and where we go from here now

1909
02:23:41,700 --> 02:23:43,640
and particularly in light of the letter

1910
02:23:43,640 --> 02:23:44,780
that we've received.

1911
02:23:45,760 --> 02:23:49,100
So let's, as everyone knows, I have five motions

1912
02:23:49,100 --> 02:23:52,400
but I will be waiting for the first motions from you all.

1913
02:23:54,480 --> 02:23:55,740
Councilmember Matthews, you were first.

1914
02:23:56,440 --> 02:23:57,260
Thanks, Deputy Mayor.

1915
02:23:57,500 --> 02:23:58,280
I was wondering how you want it,

1916
02:23:58,280 --> 02:23:59,440
because I know we all have motions,

1917
02:23:59,700 --> 02:24:03,060
so I'm just trying to think logistically how we...

1918
02:24:03,060 --> 02:24:04,000
Yeah, let's talk about that.

1919
02:24:04,260 --> 02:24:06,020
One thing we could do is we could just go around

1920
02:24:06,020 --> 02:24:08,000
and each person had a chance to make a motion.

1921
02:24:08,280 --> 02:24:10,280
I mean, I think that's what we probably need to do.

1922
02:24:10,500 --> 02:24:12,660
My motions kind of are a series that build on each other,

1923
02:24:12,680 --> 02:24:13,640
but that's the way it is.

1924
02:24:13,980 --> 02:24:17,220
But why don't we start with that and just go from there?

1925
02:24:17,220 --> 02:24:18,940
Before we do that, I have a process question.

1926
02:24:20,360 --> 02:24:24,020
This is Seguin and Dovetailing with what the city manager sent.

1927
02:24:24,500 --> 02:24:26,600
And I really encourage people to look at this letter.

1928
02:24:26,760 --> 02:24:27,360
It's quite lengthy.

1929
02:24:27,360 --> 02:24:30,200
But it's essentially a report card from Commerce.

1930
02:24:30,720 --> 02:24:32,740
And they went through 17 different points of,

1931
02:24:33,140 --> 02:24:34,540
are we meeting points or are we not?

1932
02:24:35,420 --> 02:24:38,800
And the good news is we met seven out of the 17.

1933
02:24:39,380 --> 02:24:41,200
And I'm just going to highlight the ones they said.

1934
02:24:41,420 --> 02:24:43,720
And some of these recommendations

1935
02:24:43,720 --> 02:24:49,160
recommendations. And by the way, they say what we need to do. So we have to answer everything

1936
02:24:49,160 --> 02:24:53,820
that they said that we're short of. And some of them are kind of simple, like adding a chart

1937
02:24:53,820 --> 02:24:59,320
or something like that. But on the ones that they said we already met, on 2A we met the

1938
02:24:59,320 --> 02:25:05,180
housing element requirements inventory and analysis for housing needs. We said on 2B

1939
02:25:05,580 --> 02:25:12,100
we met the goals and policies for housing development preservation. We also on 2C we

1940
02:25:12,100 --> 02:25:17,540
We met the sufficient capacity of land for housing on 2F.

1941
02:25:17,900 --> 02:25:21,980
We met the policies to address racially disparate impacts.

1942
02:25:22,560 --> 02:25:23,360
Point of order.

1943
02:25:24,460 --> 02:25:26,440
I don't think this is a process issue.

1944
02:25:26,520 --> 02:25:26,900
Yes, it is.

1945
02:25:27,420 --> 02:25:32,420
Because I'm going to mention, if I may, I want to point out, I'm going to mention that

1946
02:25:32,420 --> 02:25:36,740
I believe that all the motions should apply to the ones that they say we are out not

1947
02:25:36,740 --> 02:25:39,960
in compliance with, because those are the only ones that really have to answer.

1948
02:25:39,960 --> 02:25:44,580
On the ones that we are in compliance with, I believe we don't fit those.

1949
02:25:44,820 --> 02:25:46,380
I think we have a couple problems.

1950
02:25:46,660 --> 02:25:51,840
One is we as a council actually can decide as a body what we want to move forward, however

1951
02:25:51,840 --> 02:25:53,120
it relates to that letter.

1952
02:25:53,520 --> 02:25:57,500
Furthermore, I'm not actually hearing what I read in the letter, and I think at this

1953
02:25:57,500 --> 02:26:02,280
point we need to have a scheduled conversation to be advised by the city attorney and planning

1954
02:26:02,280 --> 02:26:03,900
staff as to what the findings were.

1955
02:26:05,660 --> 02:26:12,900
So, you know, I think certainly as we go around and we give our feedback about what we think is important today, we make motions, we have discussion.

1956
02:26:13,780 --> 02:26:19,940
I think obviously the Mayor is welcome to let us know what he sees the letter saying and how he thinks there's bearing.

1957
02:26:20,860 --> 02:26:25,200
I guess I'm a little concerned process-wise that Council Member Matthews was actually next.

1958
02:26:25,200 --> 02:26:31,220
But if she's it's up to her if she's okay getting a little more floor time to the mayor to share this

1959
02:26:31,220 --> 02:26:34,120
But I think that we're not hemmed in by this

1960
02:26:35,120 --> 02:26:36,200
Mayor all right

1961
02:26:36,800 --> 02:26:42,260
I'm just trying to share information to the community who don't want to read the whole darn letter because it's quite lengthy

1962
02:26:42,980 --> 02:26:49,240
They said the state said we met the establishes anti displacement policies to H number three

1963
02:26:49,240 --> 02:26:54,260
they said we met the relevant new rules adopted by the department and on

1964
02:26:56,940 --> 02:27:01,740
10C, they said we met the accessory dwelling unit

1965
02:27:01,740 --> 02:27:05,000
reservation regulations and so these other ones

1966
02:27:05,000 --> 02:27:08,540
are really the ones that, as I read this,

1967
02:27:08,960 --> 02:27:10,740
they say that these are the ones that have the changes

1968
02:27:10,740 --> 02:27:14,000
that are needed within our draft that we must address.

1969
02:27:14,860 --> 02:27:18,820
And so it was 2G identifies areas at risk of displacement.

1970
02:27:20,880 --> 02:27:26,020
Four, CEPA requirements, five, internal consistencies.

1971
02:27:26,860 --> 02:27:30,800
6, emergency and supportive housing regulations.

1972
02:27:31,420 --> 02:27:33,640
7, co-living housing regulations.

1973
02:27:34,400 --> 02:27:41,060
8, oh, 8 density bonus for federal housing regulations,

1974
02:27:41,300 --> 02:27:42,320
affordable housing regulations.

1975
02:27:43,040 --> 02:27:45,560
9, residential parking requirements.

1976
02:27:46,160 --> 02:27:47,560
10, implementing regulations.

1977
02:27:48,640 --> 02:27:51,160
And those are the ones that, on this letter,

1978
02:27:51,360 --> 02:27:53,520
said that we fall short on getting done.

1979
02:27:53,520 --> 02:27:56,600
And they're simply saying, and then people will read them,

1980
02:27:57,080 --> 02:27:58,400
you'll read the changes needed,

1981
02:27:58,560 --> 02:28:00,340
and they say, spell out specifically,

1982
02:28:00,980 --> 02:28:03,380
what are the things that we have to answer to?

1983
02:28:04,060 --> 02:28:07,560
And so I'm going to just say, and I would suggest,

1984
02:28:07,860 --> 02:28:09,700
at least my filter is gonna be,

1985
02:28:10,520 --> 02:28:14,240
if you're proposed, that's why I wanted,

1986
02:28:14,420 --> 02:28:15,840
sorry to interrupt you, Councilor Matthews,

1987
02:28:15,900 --> 02:28:21,020
but before a person proposes a motion,

1988
02:28:21,440 --> 02:28:25,520
My filter is, does it really fit one of the things that are required for us to meet?

1989
02:28:26,120 --> 02:28:34,220
If it doesn't, then I think we're not really applying our time appropriately to make sure that we meet the state law, as sent by the Department of Commerce.

1990
02:28:34,660 --> 02:28:35,100
So thank you.

1991
02:28:35,460 --> 02:28:36,080
Thanks, Mayor.

1992
02:28:36,540 --> 02:28:41,440
So good thing, all three motions of mine deals exactly with the letter that we got.

1993
02:28:42,400 --> 02:28:45,860
The first motion, I'll just make it quick, just so we can get through tonight.

1994
02:28:48,280 --> 02:28:57,440
So Planning Commission gave us three options in their motion to us a few weeks ago and I would like to propose we respond to them and choose one of the options.

1995
02:28:58,000 --> 02:29:04,320
I know at this point most of you have watched the Planning Commission meeting and saw the votes tended to go three to three.

1996
02:29:04,520 --> 02:29:05,640
A couple were a little different.

1997
02:29:06,380 --> 02:29:13,700
And if you listen to the meeting, there was a motion that proposed to recommend the motion that I'm about to make to us.

1998
02:29:13,700 --> 02:29:15,340
and it was a three to three.

1999
02:29:16,640 --> 02:29:18,800
The motion that I'm about to make

2000
02:29:18,800 --> 02:29:21,660
was also what's already been turned into commerce

2001
02:29:22,360 --> 02:29:24,780
and so it's what this report is based on.

2002
02:29:25,980 --> 02:29:30,740
So it doesn't seem to me controversial or wild

2003
02:29:30,740 --> 02:29:32,780
that we stick with what we already turned in.

2004
02:29:33,240 --> 02:29:34,700
I know there's some, you know,

2005
02:29:34,740 --> 02:29:36,760
I wish that we could go back in time

2006
02:29:36,760 --> 02:29:39,480
and that it had been presented differently,

2007
02:29:40,260 --> 02:29:42,140
presented to either the steering committee

2008
02:29:42,140 --> 02:29:49,500
or to Planning Commission, but at this time the horse is out of the barn, and I think that

2009
02:29:49,500 --> 02:29:53,540
it's, so I'll make the motion, just put it out there.

2010
02:29:55,520 --> 02:29:59,600
I move to proceed with one point, one point.

2011
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:12,940
2.0, adjustment to the existing base FAR floor area ratio from March 2nd with the addition of a cap on maximum square footage based on number of bedrooms on all dwelling units in the ferry and high school road zones.

2012
02:30:13,580 --> 02:30:21,980
This is just from their notes and from their motion. They said note this has the potential to lower AMI on a development that happens naturally.

2013
02:30:24,700 --> 02:30:27,140
And yes, I can speak more to it after.

2014
02:30:28,480 --> 02:30:34,080
a second could you repeat the motion was this one of the motions you sent out I'm

2015
02:30:34,080 --> 02:30:38,320
sorry yes yeah and I just took it from planning commissions agenda I moved to

2016
02:30:38,320 --> 02:30:43,180
proceed with 1-0 adjustment to the existing base FAR from 3-2 with the

2017
02:30:43,180 --> 02:30:48,320
addition of cap on maximum square footage based on number of bedrooms so

2018
02:30:48,320 --> 02:30:51,620
we're thinking about families so if you know not saying a family of three

2019
02:30:51,620 --> 02:30:57,380
needs to be in 700 square feet as opposed so that was the reason for that

2020
02:30:57,380 --> 02:30:58,900
And that came from the Planning Commission's meeting.

2021
02:30:59,120 --> 02:30:59,500
Discussion?

2022
02:31:00,480 --> 02:31:01,520
Council Member Nelson?

2023
02:31:02,360 --> 02:31:07,700
Yeah, I want to speak strongly against this course of action.

2024
02:31:08,920 --> 02:31:12,520
The Planning Commission never recommended

2025
02:31:12,520 --> 02:31:14,800
any increase in base floor area ratio.

2026
02:31:15,460 --> 02:31:17,120
And if you listen to the discussions

2027
02:31:17,120 --> 02:31:20,520
at the steering committee, Commissioner Peter Schwab

2028
02:31:20,520 --> 02:31:22,640
had a really good explanation for this, which

2029
02:31:22,640 --> 02:31:27,280
is that they decided to go the voluntary inclusionaries

2030
02:31:27,280 --> 02:31:30,380
zoning route, not the mandatory inclusionary zoning route.

2031
02:31:30,960 --> 02:31:34,140
And the reason they didn't want to go the mandatory inclusionary

2032
02:31:34,140 --> 02:31:36,780
zoning route is because it would require an increase

2033
02:31:36,780 --> 02:31:38,260
in base floor area ratio.

2034
02:31:38,640 --> 02:31:41,280
And they felt that the community did not

2035
02:31:41,280 --> 02:31:44,180
want to see an increase in base floor area ratio.

2036
02:31:44,600 --> 02:31:47,900
And so they have been working for more than a year

2037
02:31:48,700 --> 02:31:53,080
under this idea, this idea that they've really

2038
02:31:53,080 --> 02:31:54,720
built much of a consensus around

2039
02:31:54,720 --> 02:32:00,260
that they didn't want to create extra capacity unless it was dealing with the affordable housing

2040
02:32:00,260 --> 02:32:04,060
issue, unless it was tied to some affordable housing requirement.

2041
02:32:04,840 --> 02:32:11,900
And then from a process standpoint, when the land capacity analysis was done, staff

2042
02:32:13,410 --> 02:32:20,480
included this 1.0 FAR in the ferry zone and the high school road zone, doubling it

2043
02:32:20,480 --> 02:32:23,860
fairy more than tripling it in High School Road as far as density.

2044
02:32:25,000 --> 02:32:31,520
And we only noticed this on the steering committee because I knew the math didn't add up, so

2045
02:32:31,520 --> 02:32:32,500
I asked about it.

2046
02:32:32,820 --> 02:32:38,540
And then staff said that they did this, and multiple planning commissioners were outraged

2047
02:32:38,540 --> 02:32:38,960
by this.

2048
02:32:39,060 --> 02:32:41,900
Multiple city council members were outraged by this.

2049
02:32:42,380 --> 02:32:49,040
And then even when this issue has been brought to the planning commission, as Council

2050
02:32:49,040 --> 02:32:56,400
member Matthews notes, they did not recommend this course of action. Their motion to recommend

2051
02:32:56,400 --> 02:33:02,500
this course of action failed. The Planning Commission has done an incredible job over

2052
02:33:02,500 --> 02:33:10,460
the last 15 months, sorry. And they have crafted a full recommendation. And I do not

2053
02:33:10,460 --> 02:33:15,340
think at this time it is appropriate for us to go this course of action. And I strongly

2054
02:33:15,340 --> 02:33:19,900
only think that we should stick with the base floor area ratio that they recommended.

2055
02:33:20,380 --> 02:33:21,100
And I'll leave it at that.

2056
02:33:21,840 --> 02:33:23,200
And I'm going to speak to this.

2057
02:33:23,420 --> 02:33:26,860
This goes to the heart of all the motions I brought forward, which are that we're pivoting

2058
02:33:26,860 --> 02:33:31,300
from a moment, as we've discussed previously, where the Planning Commission was at a point

2059
02:33:31,300 --> 02:33:36,700
where they had made their own recommendations that they did not include any increase to

2060
02:33:36,700 --> 02:33:38,460
base FAR, as said.

2061
02:33:39,100 --> 02:33:42,600
This was added, this concept of a 1-0 FAR in these two districts was added by

2062
02:33:42,600 --> 02:33:50,300
staff in an attempt to massage what they had by motion with their own addition to probably

2063
02:33:50,300 --> 02:33:56,520
try to get across the finish line on 1220, not directed by council, not directed by the

2064
02:33:57,080 --> 02:33:57,960
Planning Commission.

2065
02:33:59,040 --> 02:34:03,920
And so when this came back before Planning Commission, they were told that they had

2066
02:34:03,920 --> 02:34:11,860
the option of one of these two, they could either look at the base FAR that they had

2067
02:34:11,860 --> 02:34:17,240
And then they were told that there was a deficit and when they asked, can we do anything other

2068
02:34:17,240 --> 02:34:17,680
than this?

2069
02:34:17,800 --> 02:34:22,460
Is there staff capacity to do something else other than these binary outcomes, one of which

2070
02:34:22,460 --> 02:34:24,340
had nothing to do with anything that they'd recommended?

2071
02:34:24,440 --> 02:34:25,020
They were told no.

2072
02:34:25,720 --> 02:34:28,020
That is why we are having this conversation today, largely.

2073
02:34:28,460 --> 02:34:30,440
It's kind of expanded that why we're having this now.

2074
02:34:30,840 --> 02:34:34,080
But one of the reasons for the conversation is they said they then struggled.

2075
02:34:34,300 --> 02:34:37,460
They couldn't come to the multiple motions that couldn't come to a majority as they

2076
02:34:37,460 --> 02:34:41,240
struggled with this binary choice with no ability to be creative and find other ways to

2077
02:34:41,240 --> 02:34:47,080
solve the affordability. And so they came to us and they said, because they said, well,

2078
02:34:47,100 --> 02:34:51,860
we're stuck with this, it's this, this, or maybe we could at least throw something on

2079
02:34:52,230 --> 02:34:57,460
the increase to base FAR that would potentially create more affordable units if we come in

2080
02:34:57,460 --> 02:35:02,700
the unit size. That does not mean that the Planning Commission wanted that outcome,

2081
02:35:02,820 --> 02:35:06,100
that any of them wanted that outcome. They had asked to do something else, could

2082
02:35:06,100 --> 02:35:06,820
Should we do something else?

2083
02:35:07,400 --> 02:35:12,300
So we are here today to ask, among other things, what's the response to that question?

2084
02:35:12,400 --> 02:35:16,000
And my response to that question is, playing commission, you stick with what you did.

2085
02:35:16,420 --> 02:35:19,680
You don't increase base FAR for the reasons that you said you don't want to increase

2086
02:35:19,680 --> 02:35:20,340
base FAR.

2087
02:35:20,800 --> 02:35:26,660
And then let us provide some guidance in how to keep going along the path that you've

2088
02:35:26,660 --> 02:35:30,260
taken with some of your recent changes, including the addition of the language that

2089
02:35:30,260 --> 02:35:33,940
I'd like to discuss, a bonus program, and add more bonus programs, et cetera,

2090
02:35:33,940 --> 02:35:38,780
and do a better analysis, another better capacity analysis

2091
02:35:38,780 --> 02:35:42,900
that's gonna show affordability and in the capacity.

2092
02:35:43,600 --> 02:35:46,420
So for those reasons, yeah, I'm actually

2093
02:35:46,420 --> 02:35:48,840
would be making a motion to the antithesis of this

2094
02:35:48,840 --> 02:35:49,900
and would not support the motion.

2095
02:35:51,720 --> 02:35:52,740
Any other discussion?

2096
02:35:55,400 --> 02:35:57,960
Okay, all those in favor of the motion say aye.

2097
02:35:58,220 --> 02:35:58,580
Aye.

2098
02:36:00,200 --> 02:36:00,720
Opposed?

2099
02:36:01,360 --> 02:36:01,720
Nay.

2100
02:36:02,020 --> 02:36:02,260
Nay.

2101
02:36:03,400 --> 02:36:05,620
Okay, so the motion fails I think four to three.

2102
02:36:06,920 --> 02:36:08,020
Do we have another motion?

2103
02:36:09,640 --> 02:36:12,220
I move to direct the interim city manager

2104
02:36:12,220 --> 02:36:14,640
in the planning commission not to include

2105
02:36:14,640 --> 02:36:16,000
in the preferred alternative,

2106
02:36:16,440 --> 02:36:18,860
any increase in base floor area ratio

2107
02:36:18,860 --> 02:36:22,140
consistent with the planning commission's recommendations.

2108
02:36:29,360 --> 02:36:30,940
Could you repeat it for me, please?

2109
02:36:31,240 --> 02:36:31,320
Yes.

2110
02:36:31,880 --> 02:36:34,220
I move to direct the interim city manager

2111
02:36:34,220 --> 02:36:36,700
in the planning commission not to include

2112
02:36:36,700 --> 02:36:38,920
in the preferred alternative any increase

2113
02:36:38,920 --> 02:36:41,800
in base floor area ratio consistent

2114
02:36:41,800 --> 02:36:43,460
with the planning commission's recommendations.

2115
02:36:45,870 --> 02:36:46,490
Any discussion?

2116
02:36:50,380 --> 02:36:51,160
I'm not sure who this is first.

2117
02:36:51,820 --> 02:36:53,220
I get to speak to it.

2118
02:36:53,740 --> 02:36:57,320
And I just, I'm saying it this way

2119
02:36:57,320 --> 02:37:00,700
because this is consistent with what the planning commission

2120
02:37:00,700 --> 02:37:02,200
has recommended to date.

2121
02:37:02,840 --> 02:37:04,900
And so my motion is saying,

2122
02:37:05,400 --> 02:37:07,140
let's stick with what the planning commission

2123
02:37:07,140 --> 02:37:07,960
actually recommended.

2124
02:37:08,220 --> 02:37:08,380
Okay,

2125
02:37:10,740 --> 02:37:11,360
who was next?

2126
02:37:12,220 --> 02:37:12,640
You go ahead.

2127
02:37:12,840 --> 02:37:14,000
Because I wasn't looking this direction.

2128
02:37:14,240 --> 02:37:14,980
Council Member Schneider.

2129
02:37:16,000 --> 02:37:18,780
So I think I'm going to abstain on this.

2130
02:37:20,340 --> 02:37:28,840
It feels a little too hard-edged like there might be another way for something to come through.

2131
02:37:29,160 --> 02:37:34,100
So at this point I just don't feel like I need to support it.

2132
02:37:36,580 --> 02:37:41,440
I did sort of support the reverse in your favor the last time around.

2133
02:37:41,440 --> 02:37:41,900
So,

2134
02:37:44,280 --> 02:37:45,760
yeah, I'll just abstain.

2135
02:37:48,490 --> 02:37:51,570
Councilor Vendor, do you think the mayor will be next?

2136
02:37:52,350 --> 02:37:53,270
Thank you, Deputy Mayor.

2137
02:37:53,350 --> 02:38:00,350
We're trying to find the Commerce's letter, but this motion would not meet some quick

2138
02:38:00,350 --> 02:38:01,990
things here, co-living housing regulations.

2139
02:38:02,210 --> 02:38:09,590
It would take away flexibility for us to allow that and for density bonus for affordable

2140
02:38:09,590 --> 02:38:10,510
housing regulations.

2141
02:38:15,000 --> 02:38:17,220
This is a religious organization, pardon me.

2142
02:38:17,940 --> 02:38:21,180
I just think I would agree with my colleague,

2143
02:38:21,380 --> 02:38:24,200
Council Member Scheider, that I think we should allow

2144
02:38:24,200 --> 02:38:27,780
the planning commission to have the flexibility they need,

2145
02:38:27,840 --> 02:38:29,980
not direct them to limit their options.

2146
02:38:32,300 --> 02:38:33,380
Council Member Fancier-Johnson.

2147
02:38:33,420 --> 02:38:34,260
Yeah, I agree with that.

2148
02:38:34,460 --> 02:38:37,640
I don't want to pigeonhole it and just, yeah,

2149
02:38:38,040 --> 02:38:38,720
I agree with that.

2150
02:38:39,240 --> 02:38:40,640
Okay, Council Member Matthews.

2151
02:38:40,780 --> 02:38:42,700
So I just want to, so we keep referring

2152
02:38:42,700 --> 02:38:47,900
to what the planning commission said and so they, I think it's pretty clear we had the two,

2153
02:38:48,020 --> 02:38:51,560
the dichotomy, the false, maybe the false, but it was a dichotomy of the one, three,

2154
02:38:51,680 --> 02:39:01,120
two and four, six and the one that their plan had was unfortunately 420 units in the deficit.

2155
02:39:01,320 --> 02:39:05,460
So what we're trying to do is close that gap somehow just so the public is aware.

2156
02:39:05,900 --> 02:39:10,980
And so I don't believe that turning in that same homework again or turning that in instead

2157
02:39:10,980 --> 02:39:15,260
of the other analysis is going to get us very far.

2158
02:39:15,400 --> 02:39:16,840
So I guess I'll take an opportunity.

2159
02:39:17,140 --> 02:39:19,320
And so yes, the whole point of the other motions is

2160
02:39:19,320 --> 02:39:21,560
to actually close that gap with affordability.

2161
02:39:22,040 --> 02:39:24,300
None of those units are affordable units.

2162
02:39:24,580 --> 02:39:25,660
None of them close the gap.

2163
02:39:26,140 --> 02:39:29,640
We could make a 2.0 base FAR and we would not close the gap

2164
02:39:29,640 --> 02:39:31,200
because they're not affordable.

2165
02:39:31,540 --> 02:39:32,740
So these are separate issues.

2166
02:39:32,940 --> 02:39:33,600
That's one thing.

2167
02:39:34,020 --> 02:39:35,800
It's a different approach that we're going to take.

2168
02:39:36,180 --> 02:39:37,600
We're going to need to talk about funding

2169
02:39:37,600 --> 02:39:39,100
and we're going to need to talk about the fact

2170
02:39:39,100 --> 02:39:42,620
that who's going to build it isn't going to be private development, and base FIR is

2171
02:39:42,620 --> 02:39:46,600
about private development. Base FIR is about telling somebody right now you own that parcel

2172
02:39:46,600 --> 02:39:52,460
and you get to have twice as many units with absolutely no requirement to do anything

2173
02:39:52,460 --> 02:39:57,360
other than market rate. So there's that. The second thing is we need a different approach

2174
02:39:57,360 --> 02:40:01,480
and obviously we are certainly not going to go back to commerce and just go with

2175
02:40:01,480 --> 02:40:05,320
the same approach and give them fewer numbers. That's going even oddly in a

2176
02:40:05,320 --> 02:40:11,520
weird direction and again I don't I am not going to I do not believe that we

2177
02:40:11,520 --> 02:40:15,060
heard from the planning commission that this is what they want they actually

2178
02:40:15,060 --> 02:40:19,480
when they were doing their deliberations over the last 15 months and they talked

2179
02:40:19,480 --> 02:40:23,380
about these issues they weighed these issues and their recommendation their

2180
02:40:23,380 --> 02:40:27,540
actual motions were no increase in base at the off at they are for very

2181
02:40:27,540 --> 02:40:33,320
reasonable logical reasons and to be put in front of them a staff created

2182
02:40:33,320 --> 02:40:38,980
alternative that was never authorized that most of us are very disturbed by and say your

2183
02:40:38,980 --> 02:40:42,960
choices are your original recommendation or this. And by the way, we're telling you that

2184
02:40:42,960 --> 02:40:48,800
you're going to not hit your mark with this. That's not to me, I don't believe that's

2185
02:40:48,800 --> 02:40:52,240
what the planning commission's asking us to do. I believe they're asking us to give

2186
02:40:52,240 --> 02:40:57,520
them guidance in this moment. And so if we abstain, if we give them just nothing,

2187
02:40:57,680 --> 02:41:02,120
we can't agree on anything, then we're giving them nothing. So I guess worst case

2188
02:41:02,120 --> 02:41:06,080
scenario, I guess we move past this and hopefully we can give them some other direction, but

2189
02:41:06,080 --> 02:41:10,400
I think we owe it to them to let them know that we endorse the work that they actually

2190
02:41:10,400 --> 02:41:14,720
did before staff corrected it, or sorry, amended it.

2191
02:41:16,040 --> 02:41:17,020
Council Member Schneider.

2192
02:41:18,600 --> 02:41:24,100
So I think that I have a motion, but I don't want my motion considered until after

2193
02:41:24,100 --> 02:41:26,140
we've gone through some of these other motions.

2194
02:41:26,740 --> 02:41:30,680
I feel like those, these other motions will lay some foundation for mine.

2195
02:41:30,680 --> 02:41:36,680
So likewise, I'm changing my mind. I'm going to vote against the current motion.

2196
02:41:39,250 --> 02:41:40,430
Councillor Nelson.

2197
02:41:42,030 --> 02:41:48,470
I really think that from a process standpoint, we really need to stand against what's happened here.

2198
02:41:48,910 --> 02:41:52,750
Because it was not appropriate for staff to do this.

2199
02:41:52,990 --> 02:41:59,370
And when one of my colleagues says that reverting back will cause us to be deficient in other ways,

2200
02:41:59,370 --> 02:42:04,090
I mean, my only retort to that is, well, we don't know because no one did a land capacity

2201
02:42:04,090 --> 02:42:09,190
analysis based on the actual recommendation, which is a little bit insane.

2202
02:42:09,570 --> 02:42:14,130
And the Chair of the Planning Commission has just emailed me and said that she's also

2203
02:42:14,130 --> 02:42:19,250
learned that staff adjusted lot coverage for the capacity analysis and didn't.

2204
02:42:19,330 --> 02:42:21,870
And that was not a part of the Planning Commission's recommendation.

2205
02:42:22,230 --> 02:42:28,570
So even if we change to keeping 1.0 FAR, it doesn't necessarily solve the problem.

2206
02:42:28,570 --> 02:42:32,770
And then on top of it, when they went through the development regulations, if you watched

2207
02:42:32,770 --> 02:42:39,270
the last Planning Commission meeting, HDDP was changed, even though that was not a part

2208
02:42:39,270 --> 02:42:39,970
of the recommendation.

2209
02:42:40,430 --> 02:42:46,530
And I really think that we need to rein in this idea that these unilateral changes

2210
02:42:46,530 --> 02:42:47,570
can just be made.

2211
02:42:47,850 --> 02:42:50,230
They can be in the land capacity analysis.

2212
02:42:50,530 --> 02:42:55,250
They can be turned in as our official product to the Department of Commerce receiving

2213
02:42:55,250 --> 02:43:00,170
back an official letter about whether we're compliant or not when it does not

2214
02:43:00,170 --> 02:43:05,250
reflect the recommendation of either the City Council or the Planning

2215
02:43:05,250 --> 02:43:10,930
Commission. And I just don't think that this is the way that this body or this

2216
02:43:10,930 --> 02:43:15,010
government should operate. And I will leave it at that. And if you vote down my

2217
02:43:15,010 --> 02:43:18,930
motion, you vote down my motion. But you know, there's a right or wrong way

2218
02:43:18,930 --> 02:43:21,210
of doing things, and this is the wrong way of doing it.

2219
02:43:21,870 --> 02:43:24,170
Council member Matthews and then Fandrie Johnson.

2220
02:43:24,970 --> 02:43:26,030
Thanks Deputy Mayor.

2221
02:43:26,630 --> 02:43:28,830
So I just want to ask us as just we're working together

2222
02:43:28,830 --> 02:43:30,490
if we can stop shouting at each other

2223
02:43:31,030 --> 02:43:33,130
and just talk to each other and talk to the public.

2224
02:43:34,390 --> 02:43:38,430
Okay, so I think that we are talking about humans here

2225
02:43:38,430 --> 02:43:43,790
and I get that there was a process issue

2226
02:43:43,790 --> 02:43:46,770
but to me it's really sad to say

2227
02:43:46,770 --> 02:43:53,150
that we're not going to deal with the human issue that we should because we're trying to

2228
02:43:53,150 --> 02:43:59,050
make a stand against a bad process. And so it just seems like it's time for us to get

2229
02:43:59,050 --> 02:44:07,630
this done. Not August, not tomorrow, not in the future. We are in a housing crisis now.

2230
02:44:08,230 --> 02:44:14,410
And I'm willing to amend my motion that I made before with the 1.0 and adjust that

2231
02:44:14,410 --> 02:44:20,650
down but I think we really need to give planning direction planning commissioned some direction they

2232
02:44:20,650 --> 02:44:27,610
had mentioned point eight or point nine if that would change any council members opinions but I think

2233
02:44:27,610 --> 02:44:35,210
that we have to make a choice and the time is now to make that choice it's not time for punishing

2234
02:44:35,210 --> 02:44:42,230
staff for any sort of indiscretion that we think was made that's not the issue right now

2235
02:44:42,230 --> 02:44:42,790
Unfortunately.

2236
02:44:43,870 --> 02:44:45,830
Councilmember Franchiway-Johnson and then Lance.

2237
02:44:46,110 --> 02:44:48,310
Yeah, basically I was just going to say the same thing.

2238
02:44:49,550 --> 02:44:58,830
You know, we are a body and that's the problem that we have is perception that we can't all get along.

2239
02:44:59,190 --> 02:44:59,970
We have to...

2240
02:45:00,560 --> 02:45:07,400
Take, you know, the bull by the horns here and do what needs to be done because, you know,

2241
02:45:07,680 --> 02:45:16,580
our constituents require it. We can't kick this down the road. That's how our council

2242
02:45:16,580 --> 02:45:22,440
get into trouble by the previous council kicking something down the road. We have to deal

2243
02:45:22,440 --> 02:45:29,040
with it. And if it, you know, today is not the day to deal with what happened. Today

2244
02:45:29,040 --> 02:45:35,040
is the day to deal with what we're going to do right now about affordable housing and close

2245
02:45:35,040 --> 02:45:39,560
in the gap that we see. We have to do something about that.

2246
02:45:40,820 --> 02:45:41,780
House Member Lant.

2247
02:45:44,260 --> 02:45:49,760
Well, I think if we don't have process, what do we have? Opinions.

2248
02:45:51,920 --> 02:45:54,620
And all of us can be right at once.

2249
02:45:54,620 --> 02:46:01,160
let's face it we can all be right at once but we have a process in place and we

2250
02:46:01,160 --> 02:46:06,640
have some requirements that we're being asked to do we've sorry we're being

2251
02:46:06,640 --> 02:46:13,700
required mandated to do we have our own self-imposed timelines and I think that

2252
02:46:13,700 --> 02:46:19,040
it was very clear that the Planning Commission said the information that they

2253
02:46:19,040 --> 02:46:26,420
were given to review, did not satisfy the work they hoped to achieve to give us the

2254
02:46:26,420 --> 02:46:32,580
product for us to recommend or to make motions on to approve that comp plan.

2255
02:46:33,100 --> 02:46:41,520
So I am very comfortable taking what I believe is the Planning Commission's desire and

2256
02:46:41,520 --> 02:46:44,860
that is for direction from us to tonight.

2257
02:46:45,100 --> 02:46:47,100
I don't believe we're kicking anything down the road.

2258
02:46:47,100 --> 02:46:49,940
I think we're actually taking the bull by the horns tonight.

2259
02:46:50,480 --> 02:46:54,740
We have a series of deficits that we already know from commerce as of yesterday.

2260
02:46:55,200 --> 02:47:00,520
We have a series of different motions that several of us on this platform have put forward.

2261
02:47:01,000 --> 02:47:05,980
I think there are wonderful options in front of us, and all of them are recommendations

2262
02:47:05,980 --> 02:47:08,160
for the Planning Commission to consider.

2263
02:47:08,580 --> 02:47:11,340
We're not making the decisions on the dais tonight.

2264
02:47:11,480 --> 02:47:14,840
We are putting these forward to the Planning Commission, right?

2265
02:47:17,100 --> 02:47:24,180
So, I'm very comfortable moving forward with action that is more towards, more in line

2266
02:47:24,180 --> 02:47:27,260
of what the Planning Commission's original request was.

2267
02:47:27,520 --> 02:47:27,880
Thank you.

2268
02:47:28,620 --> 02:47:34,180
If I can speak, I do want to actually address something that could help Councilman Schneider

2269
02:47:34,180 --> 02:47:34,700
come along.

2270
02:47:34,840 --> 02:47:36,980
We'll see because it is so important we have direction.

2271
02:47:37,680 --> 02:47:42,040
I want to point out that, again, the people we're talking about in this particular

2272
02:47:42,040 --> 02:47:47,460
motion are not our affordable targets these are market rate housing okay so let's be clear it's

2273
02:47:47,460 --> 02:47:51,580
not fair for the community think that we are turning down the people who we most need to house

2274
02:47:51,580 --> 02:47:56,700
right now okay secondly um and I absolutely agree with council member fan try johnson we absolutely

2275
02:47:56,700 --> 02:48:01,420
we do take the wool by the horns we are the policy makers we've given a lot of latitude to a lot

2276
02:48:01,420 --> 02:48:06,380
in a lot of places trying to get as much help from others as we can and at some point and when

2277
02:48:06,380 --> 02:48:08,640
the 11th hour is here, we have to act.

2278
02:48:09,660 --> 02:48:14,880
Again, any form of cycling on this issue of base FAR,

2279
02:48:15,480 --> 02:48:18,080
with no affordability attached to that up zone,

2280
02:48:18,420 --> 02:48:22,580
does nothing to get us one single affordable unit.

2281
02:48:23,280 --> 02:48:25,500
So this is why I was going to say,

2282
02:48:25,540 --> 02:48:27,860
well, I would prefer to have a clean start

2283
02:48:27,860 --> 02:48:30,760
and give the planning commission back their motions

2284
02:48:30,760 --> 02:48:33,700
that they originally made that were not thrust upon them.

2285
02:48:33,700 --> 02:48:36,020
This is not about punishing staff.

2286
02:48:36,420 --> 02:48:38,740
It's about acknowledging that it's not acceptable

2287
02:48:38,740 --> 02:48:41,840
and actually defending the original work product

2288
02:48:41,840 --> 02:48:44,120
of the Planning Commission and saying they are not held

2289
02:48:44,120 --> 02:48:45,400
to something that staff did.

2290
02:48:46,300 --> 02:48:48,260
And the original work that they did,

2291
02:48:48,600 --> 02:48:49,960
they discussed base FAR,

2292
02:48:50,160 --> 02:48:52,160
they would never have increased base FAR

2293
02:48:52,160 --> 02:48:54,900
without an mandatory inclusionary zoning

2294
02:48:54,900 --> 02:48:57,740
or some other clear requirement affordability.

2295
02:48:58,440 --> 02:48:59,460
So this is not my preference.

2296
02:48:59,580 --> 02:49:01,240
I'd rather have us deal with,

2297
02:49:01,360 --> 02:49:02,780
which I think is what Council Member Schneider would

2298
02:49:02,780 --> 02:49:05,160
like to do is talk about some mandatory inclusionary zoning

2299
02:49:05,700 --> 02:49:07,200
that would affect base FAR.

2300
02:49:07,620 --> 02:49:09,880
To me, that's an add-on because that's gonna get us

2301
02:49:09,880 --> 02:49:12,080
affordability that's not part of our ADIN below.

2302
02:49:13,520 --> 02:49:15,980
We could amend this motion to say

2303
02:49:16,380 --> 02:49:17,720
that we're directing planning commission,

2304
02:49:17,820 --> 02:49:18,460
I think they'll like that.

2305
02:49:19,300 --> 02:49:22,160
Do not increase base FAR unless you include

2306
02:49:22,160 --> 02:49:24,120
a mandatory inclusionary component.

2307
02:49:25,360 --> 02:49:29,180
It's not gonna touch our ADIN below issues,

2308
02:49:29,180 --> 02:49:30,520
which we still need to deal with.

2309
02:49:30,520 --> 02:49:32,440
it could give us some middle housing

2310
02:49:33,060 --> 02:49:35,380
and it at least requires something in return.

2311
02:49:35,780 --> 02:49:37,820
So I'm curious to know from Councilmember Schneider

2312
02:49:37,820 --> 02:49:40,780
whether softening it from no base up zoning,

2313
02:49:40,880 --> 02:49:41,980
if that's where she might be going,

2314
02:49:42,100 --> 02:49:44,540
but leaving the capacity for some type

2315
02:49:44,540 --> 02:49:46,820
of mandatory inclusionary zoning would be helpful.

2316
02:49:48,260 --> 02:49:48,980
Thank you.

2317
02:49:49,920 --> 02:49:54,840
So first of all, if we as a body vote against this,

2318
02:49:54,920 --> 02:49:57,840
we're not voting to up zone, right?

2319
02:49:57,840 --> 02:50:04,500
I mean this is just to say that we're not holding we're not laying down the law

2320
02:50:04,500 --> 02:50:13,360
about there being no 1.0. So I guess I do kind of want to talk about my

2321
02:50:13,360 --> 02:50:23,380
motion because as the deputy mayor knows it's not quite a mandatory program

2322
02:50:23,380 --> 02:50:28,220
but it does deal with providing double the density,

2323
02:50:28,380 --> 02:50:30,400
which might not be 1.0, right?

2324
02:50:30,540 --> 02:50:34,200
It might be 0.6 or something like that.

2325
02:50:34,700 --> 02:50:37,960
So anyway, I think just because of the sort of the

2326
02:50:37,960 --> 02:50:41,120
hard-lined version of this, I'm gonna vote against it.

2327
02:50:41,380 --> 02:50:45,740
That doesn't mean that I don't think there should be

2328
02:50:45,740 --> 02:50:47,460
something attached to up zones.

2329
02:50:51,170 --> 02:50:53,450
Okay, yeah, I guess there's nothing we can do

2330
02:50:53,450 --> 02:50:55,330
to get direction then to the planning commission,

2331
02:50:55,430 --> 02:50:56,410
unfortunately on the 1-0.

2332
02:50:57,030 --> 02:50:58,030
So yeah, that's fine.

2333
02:50:58,310 --> 02:50:58,570
It's fine.

2334
02:50:58,690 --> 02:50:59,150
We'll keep going.

2335
02:50:59,450 --> 02:50:59,670
Let's go.

2336
02:51:00,310 --> 02:51:02,330
One more quick comment, and then we'll take a vote.

2337
02:51:02,550 --> 02:51:05,630
No, I just want to make sure everyone knows,

2338
02:51:05,890 --> 02:51:09,750
because you're saying this is about the human aspect.

2339
02:51:10,070 --> 02:51:14,270
That's the point here, is that this increasing

2340
02:51:14,270 --> 02:51:18,270
the base FAR to 1 is entirely market rate.

2341
02:51:18,410 --> 02:51:19,950
It's not affordable housing.

2342
02:51:19,950 --> 02:51:26,450
It creates zero units of affordable housing, and the Planning Commission's whole goal was

2343
02:51:26,450 --> 02:51:31,090
only to do it if it had some affordable housing component attached to it.

2344
02:51:31,130 --> 02:51:39,440
And I could support bonus increases or, right, if there's actually affordability attached

2345
02:51:39,440 --> 02:51:40,080
to it.

2346
02:51:40,380 --> 02:51:45,940
But the issue I'm having here is this is just straight market rate upzoning.

2347
02:51:45,940 --> 02:51:48,660
and as the chair of the planning commission pointed out,

2348
02:51:48,960 --> 02:51:52,580
it's just taking from sewer capacity

2349
02:51:52,580 --> 02:51:54,520
and potentially water capacity

2350
02:51:54,520 --> 02:51:57,320
without getting us the benefit to the community

2351
02:51:57,640 --> 02:51:59,980
that the planning commission was trying to get.

2352
02:52:00,120 --> 02:52:01,740
So I don't appreciate the implication

2353
02:52:01,740 --> 02:52:06,340
that this is somehow anti-human to say we don't want.

2354
02:52:06,660 --> 02:52:07,080
Okay.

2355
02:52:07,260 --> 02:52:08,300
We're gonna call the question.

2356
02:52:09,600 --> 02:52:11,860
So all those in favor of the motion say aye.

2357
02:52:12,600 --> 02:52:12,980
Aye.

2358
02:52:13,520 --> 02:52:13,720
Nay.

2359
02:52:14,340 --> 02:52:14,880
Nay.

2360
02:52:14,880 --> 02:52:17,700
Motion fails of four to three.

2361
02:52:21,060 --> 02:52:22,640
So anyone have a motion?

2362
02:52:22,800 --> 02:52:23,920
Because I do have some motions.

2363
02:52:31,300 --> 02:52:33,220
Okay, so I only have one motion.

2364
02:52:34,080 --> 02:52:35,980
You'll be done with me after this.

2365
02:52:36,980 --> 02:52:39,860
So as I put in my email late this afternoon,

2366
02:52:40,500 --> 02:52:42,880
maybe you didn't see it, and that's quite a right.

2367
02:52:44,660 --> 02:52:48,000
What I'm going to say is I want to say it,

2368
02:52:48,000 --> 02:52:50,200
and then I want to give a little explanation

2369
02:52:50,200 --> 02:52:51,660
and then I'll make the formal motion,

2370
02:52:52,420 --> 02:52:58,560
is that this is at its base, a middle housing

2371
02:52:59,420 --> 02:53:02,800
because there is some affordability attached to it,

2372
02:53:02,860 --> 02:53:04,860
but it's a much higher level of affordability.

2373
02:53:05,280 --> 02:53:09,760
And that being said, it does give more base density.

2374
02:53:10,320 --> 02:53:11,840
Well, I guess it's bonus density.

2375
02:53:11,840 --> 02:53:23,680
And then my goal is that our programs, financial and otherwise, our other partners can come

2376
02:53:23,680 --> 02:53:29,440
in and lower or increase the subsidy and then lower the AMI that this comes to.

2377
02:53:29,620 --> 02:53:32,140
So I'll read it.

2378
02:53:32,660 --> 02:53:36,980
I moved to include in the comprehensive plan a middle housing bonus density incentive

2379
02:53:36,980 --> 02:53:42,720
program that allows us to double the base density when at least 50% of the additional

2380
02:53:42,720 --> 02:53:49,320
units created are restricted as affordable to households earning 110% of area median

2381
02:53:49,320 --> 02:53:50,460
income or below.

2382
02:53:52,040 --> 02:53:52,600
Second.

2383
02:53:54,040 --> 02:53:54,440
Okay.

2384
02:53:54,560 --> 02:53:54,900
Discussion?

2385
02:54:00,260 --> 02:54:00,820
Councillor Mathews?

2386
02:54:01,020 --> 02:54:05,680
I mean, that's, we all talk about that middle housing gap and wanting to fill that

2387
02:54:05,680 --> 02:54:05,920
gap.

2388
02:54:06,080 --> 02:54:11,100
We had talked about it as future work, but if we can fit it in now, I think really

2389
02:54:11,100 --> 02:54:15,380
would be welcome and I think that's a I support your motion. So I'll make a

2390
02:54:15,380 --> 02:54:19,580
comment. I'm a little disappointed just because I know that council motion I had

2391
02:54:19,580 --> 02:54:23,300
talked a bit about some approaches that this and like I said at that time I

2392
02:54:23,960 --> 02:54:28,060
was open to the idea of us going against what we've said we were going

2393
02:54:28,060 --> 02:54:31,120
to do which was put the middle housing later because I know there's so much

2394
02:54:31,120 --> 02:54:36,760
desire to do it that maybe if we could open this part up and have it

2395
02:54:36,760 --> 02:54:40,760
looked at between now and our adoption by more than us

2396
02:54:40,760 --> 02:54:42,620
because we're not the planning commission

2397
02:54:42,620 --> 02:54:44,580
and we're not staff and we're not experts

2398
02:54:45,060 --> 02:54:47,580
that if it didn't have, if we weren't trying right now

2399
02:54:47,580 --> 02:54:50,700
to figure out what the right percentage of affordability

2400
02:54:50,700 --> 02:54:54,280
and the right density is that I could support it.

2401
02:54:54,400 --> 02:54:56,160
So I guess what I want the complicated way of saying,

2402
02:54:56,620 --> 02:54:57,880
I can't support the motion.

2403
02:54:58,400 --> 02:55:02,320
I have pivoted from wanting to hold us

2404
02:55:02,320 --> 02:55:03,660
to what we've said we're gonna do

2405
02:55:03,660 --> 02:55:05,160
and what I believe our resolution said

2406
02:55:05,160 --> 02:55:06,380
and what the planning commissioners did,

2407
02:55:06,380 --> 02:55:12,400
which is what middle housing will come next after this urgent moment. So I might be open

2408
02:55:12,400 --> 02:55:16,820
to something that was that was gave space for Planning Commission and staff to do some

2409
02:55:16,820 --> 02:55:22,280
work between now and the adoption, but wouldn't be able to vote for it now. Any other discussion?

2410
02:55:23,240 --> 02:55:30,120
Council Member Schneider. I would be happy to amend my motion to allow Planning Commission

2411
02:55:30,120 --> 02:55:37,200
to consider it. My goal in putting it out this way is because it's a fairly

2412
02:55:37,200 --> 02:55:43,700
mild, easily, maybe acceptable one and this would not create more work for the

2413
02:55:43,700 --> 02:55:50,260
Planning Commission. But if we think the Planning Commission would like to

2414
02:55:50,260 --> 02:55:55,140
chew on this and come up with some alternatives, I can modify my motion.

2415
02:55:56,540 --> 02:56:01,460
second the amendment and I really appreciate that because for one thing

2416
02:56:01,460 --> 02:56:04,700
the motion that I want to make next that would love them to rustle with

2417
02:56:05,180 --> 02:56:07,960
affordability and that's based on something they've already done on where

2418
02:56:07,960 --> 02:56:12,120
they find the way to distinguish between these incentives so I like that

2419
02:56:12,120 --> 02:56:16,780
and I'm going to support the motion so what is the motion I'm sorry it's

2420
02:56:16,780 --> 02:56:24,720
true what is the motion because I was all set to support yeah could you try

2421
02:56:24,720 --> 02:56:33,160
So, I'm just changing the direction. I moved to direct the interim city manager to direct

2422
02:56:33,160 --> 02:56:39,240
the planning commission to discuss a middle housing bonus density incentive program that

2423
02:56:39,240 --> 02:56:45,240
allows up to double the base density when at least 50% of the additional units created

2424
02:56:45,240 --> 02:56:51,420
are restricted as affordable housing to households earning 110% of area median income or below.

2425
02:56:51,420 --> 02:57:03,400
And I think, yeah, I think I can support that because it's one of the things that we're going to have to talk about eventually. Let's talk about it now.

2426
02:57:06,520 --> 02:57:10,720
The planning commission talk about it. Yes. All right. Any for the discussion.

2427
02:57:12,580 --> 02:57:18,020
just a question is this is this for the planning commission to consider now or

2428
02:57:18,020 --> 02:57:24,160
post comp plan adoption now okay okay yeah I guess the only comment I'd have

2429
02:57:24,160 --> 02:57:28,960
on that is in resolution 2025 18 we said we wouldn't really put more on the

2430
02:57:28,960 --> 02:57:34,860
planning commission but you know I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna vote against the

2431
02:57:34,860 --> 02:57:40,700
motion but I appreciate one last comment is I feel like in recent

2432
02:57:40,700 --> 02:57:41,840
and conversations with people.

2433
02:57:42,480 --> 02:57:44,360
I feel that, and I think this could apply

2434
02:57:44,360 --> 02:57:45,520
in watching the planning commission,

2435
02:57:46,060 --> 02:57:49,060
that not giving some sort of a valve for this work now

2436
02:57:49,480 --> 02:57:51,920
is impacting people's ability to be comfortable

2437
02:57:51,920 --> 02:57:53,800
with other things that they can and should do

2438
02:57:53,800 --> 02:57:55,160
for 80% and below.

2439
02:57:55,840 --> 02:57:58,980
And I'm hopeful, and I fully understand what I'm almost,

2440
02:57:59,500 --> 02:58:01,320
I know I'm gonna be a yes though

2441
02:58:01,320 --> 02:58:02,940
because I'm hoping this will create

2442
02:58:02,940 --> 02:58:05,180
some more capacity in people's minds.

2443
02:58:05,460 --> 02:58:07,280
So, all those in favor?

2444
02:58:11,500 --> 02:58:29,120
motion passes six to one. I'd like to make a motion as we're doing this. So I'm going to make a motion that I've passed out to everyone I sent to you earlier and it relates to a chart which is on page, it relates to a section of the pending recommendations from the Planning

2445
02:58:29,120 --> 02:58:36,560
Commission, which is the fourth page of the handout, and that is it relates to 18-12-030-C3.

2446
02:58:36,740 --> 02:58:39,320
And I sure hope I'm getting the citation correct.

2447
02:58:40,020 --> 02:58:44,740
It's development projects providing 100% low-income affordable housing.

2448
02:58:44,940 --> 02:58:48,440
I'm just setting up the motion real quick, so I want to tie it to that.

2449
02:58:48,720 --> 02:58:53,640
So I moved to direct the city manager to direct city staff to work with the Planning

2450
02:58:53,640 --> 02:59:00,760
Commission to expand the provisions of draft section 1812030C3 proposed by the Planning

2451
02:59:00,760 --> 02:59:06,580
Commission and providing maximum bonus density for 100% affordable projects in the Winslow

2452
02:59:06,580 --> 02:59:11,700
Town Center to create an affordable housing overlay district that includes all of the

2453
02:59:11,700 --> 02:59:17,120
Winslow Service Center area, sorry Winslow Sewer Service Area with a comparable bonus

2454
02:59:17,120 --> 02:59:18,960
density in the residential zones.

2455
02:59:21,060 --> 02:59:24,220
Okay, so I'm going to speak to it first if that's okay with you guys real quick.

2456
02:59:24,800 --> 02:59:30,320
And that would just be that this does provide, I want to point out that this was drafted

2457
02:59:30,320 --> 02:59:32,060
in response directly to their request.

2458
02:59:32,200 --> 02:59:33,000
They have looked at it.

2459
02:59:33,100 --> 02:59:35,400
They are moving this forward, this part that we're looking at.

2460
02:59:35,860 --> 02:59:39,020
It applies in the Mixed Use Town Center, and the idea would be take that idea,

2461
02:59:39,360 --> 02:59:45,100
which lots of us have talked about different versions of, expand it out into the residential

2462
02:59:45,100 --> 02:59:48,820
zones and let the Planning Commission, it gives them some space there to determine

2463
02:59:48,820 --> 02:59:52,900
on what a comparable level of density increase would be.

2464
02:59:53,360 --> 02:59:55,360
But basically it's so trying to work

2465
02:59:55,360 --> 02:59:56,340
with what they've already done.

2466
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:03,980
To accomplish some of the things we've been talking about. I think the last thing I just

2467
03:00:03,980 --> 03:00:08,500
wanted to say, just one second I just wanted to see what notes I, yeah,

2468
03:00:11,430 --> 03:00:11,910
and I guess what

2469
03:00:11,910 --> 03:00:15,130
I wanted to say, I want to key this back to my original points were about getting rid

2470
03:00:15,130 --> 03:00:20,270
of the focus on this, on the base density, is that the point is the base density just

2471
03:00:20,270 --> 03:00:25,490
increasing, if you increase base density a thousand percent, I guess maybe at some

2472
03:00:25,490 --> 03:00:30,630
point there'd be some odd outcome that a couple units would want it to be affordable,

2473
03:00:30,630 --> 03:00:32,410
but generally, they will never be affordable.

2474
03:00:33,150 --> 03:00:35,030
So going in this direction and playing

2475
03:00:35,030 --> 03:00:37,090
with what the Planning Commission's got already going there,

2476
03:00:37,390 --> 03:00:40,370
we're taking a different approach to demonstrating

2477
03:00:40,890 --> 03:00:43,810
that we can create affordable units below 80%

2478
03:00:43,810 --> 03:00:47,450
because we and other organizations like us

2479
03:00:47,450 --> 03:00:48,810
are the only ones who will build it.

2480
03:00:49,030 --> 03:00:50,310
Developers will not build it.

2481
03:00:50,710 --> 03:00:53,690
So what we need to show is a lot of land capacity

2482
03:00:54,270 --> 03:00:56,650
and the funding and how it's gonna happen.

2483
03:00:56,650 --> 03:01:03,090
So this is a bonus program that creates capacity in the entire sewer service area.

2484
03:01:03,410 --> 03:01:04,690
Okay, that's my pitch.

2485
03:01:05,390 --> 03:01:06,510
Council Member Matthews.

2486
03:01:06,850 --> 03:01:07,490
Thanks Deputy Mayor.

2487
03:01:08,110 --> 03:01:11,470
So I'm trying to remember all the different planning commission discussions because this

2488
03:01:11,470 --> 03:01:13,750
was a really, this was a year basically.

2489
03:01:14,410 --> 03:01:19,750
At some point I did hear an intentional moratorium and things like that.

2490
03:01:19,750 --> 03:01:28,350
So, I just also want to keep in mind, I think HRB wrote us today with some comments, and

2491
03:01:28,350 --> 03:01:32,850
I said, I think they said, we strongly encourage any tiered bonus program to also include incentives

2492
03:01:32,850 --> 03:01:39,130
which we are all for, but that requiring 100% affordable projects isn't, or, we don't

2493
03:01:39,130 --> 03:01:39,870
really lost it.

2494
03:01:41,690 --> 03:01:46,530
Oh, bonus programs that are limited exclusively to 100% affordable developments remove potential

2495
03:01:46,530 --> 03:01:49,150
partners that may be interested in mixed income.

2496
03:01:49,530 --> 03:01:51,330
Developments are some other creative partnerships.

2497
03:01:52,150 --> 03:01:54,650
So I don't want to limit us at all.

2498
03:01:56,330 --> 03:02:01,430
But I'm willing to, you know, I just, it seems to me,

2499
03:02:01,490 --> 03:02:03,530
if those are the folks who are doing the building,

2500
03:02:03,730 --> 03:02:06,810
even though you say these are going to have to be city-owned

2501
03:02:06,810 --> 03:02:10,630
projects or city projects, that if they're saying this

2502
03:02:11,210 --> 03:02:13,750
doesn't work, that we should look a little more at it.

2503
03:02:13,750 --> 03:02:18,390
before I go down, I just want to point out that they're...

2504
03:02:18,390 --> 03:02:19,110
Oh, sorry, sorry, no.

2505
03:02:19,850 --> 03:02:23,810
And then also I keep thinking about this market rate,

2506
03:02:24,350 --> 03:02:28,510
bad word, and I work under Harbor Square,

2507
03:02:28,670 --> 03:02:31,710
which is a development across from the ferry.

2508
03:02:32,210 --> 03:02:34,950
And it's market rate, but what it is,

2509
03:02:35,070 --> 03:02:36,470
is I call it a senior community.

2510
03:02:36,670 --> 03:02:39,430
It's seniors who might have had a large home

2511
03:02:39,430 --> 03:02:42,530
on the North End or in the middle of the island,

2512
03:02:42,530 --> 03:02:44,990
and lost a spouse, moved downtown

2513
03:02:44,990 --> 03:02:47,430
and now live an affordable, walkable life.

2514
03:02:47,930 --> 03:02:50,270
And so I think we really need to be thinking

2515
03:02:50,270 --> 03:02:53,030
about like the Lion King, the circle of life,

2516
03:02:53,370 --> 03:02:57,270
of that folks that

2517
03:02:59,380 --> 03:03:00,640
I think housing capacity

2518
03:03:01,720 --> 03:03:07,960
and market and diversity of housing add to affordability.

2519
03:03:08,160 --> 03:03:09,440
So just putting that out there too.

2520
03:03:09,980 --> 03:03:12,980
I just want to, because I've made help,

2521
03:03:12,980 --> 03:03:18,040
address the point about bonus programs. This doesn't eliminate HDDP for one thing,

2522
03:03:18,200 --> 03:03:23,500
which is a 50% affordable program, which HRB has taken advantage of. And so this is

2523
03:03:23,500 --> 03:03:27,940
just another program and it's newly created and it's part of it, the first

2524
03:03:27,940 --> 03:03:32,240
part of it, mixed use town center, Winslow Town Center, came from the Planning Commission.

2525
03:03:33,040 --> 03:03:38,320
So it's just a new 100% affordable program. Council Member Nelson.

2526
03:03:38,320 --> 03:03:46,060
And it's also on top of the 25% Voluntary Inclusionary Zoning Program that the Planning

2527
03:03:46,060 --> 03:03:46,980
Commission is recommending.

2528
03:03:47,420 --> 03:03:52,700
And it's also on top of the Mandatory Inclusionary Zoning Program that they're creating for

2529
03:03:52,700 --> 03:04:01,680
large lots that's going to require 5% affordable, 80% AMI and below, and 10% middle housing,

2530
03:04:02,440 --> 03:04:04,920
80% or workforce housing, 80% to 120.

2531
03:04:04,920 --> 03:04:11,280
20. So this is on top of all other programs and there are a lot of programs that take advantage

2532
03:04:11,280 --> 03:04:18,060
so I don't think this forecloses options for sort of more creative partnerships or mixed

2533
03:04:18,060 --> 03:04:24,420
income developments. I obviously this is a proposal that you and I had talked about

2534
03:04:24,420 --> 03:04:30,960
that's very similar, very similar and I am supportive. I would just, I wonder almost

2535
03:04:30,960 --> 03:04:36,160
is a friendly amendment if it could be direction directly to the Planning Commission because

2536
03:04:36,160 --> 03:04:42,760
I am a little bit concerned that it doesn't specify the maximum bonus density. It's not

2537
03:04:42,760 --> 03:04:49,660
specific and so I'm now worried about staff coming back with something that's not what's

2538
03:04:49,660 --> 03:04:50,340
intended here.

2539
03:04:51,260 --> 03:04:52,860
You mind if I speak to that?

2540
03:04:53,340 --> 03:04:53,480
Well.

2541
03:04:54,440 --> 03:04:55,360
His question?

2542
03:04:56,180 --> 03:04:58,860
What's the point about the lack of bonus density?

2543
03:05:00,060 --> 03:05:01,740
I thought you'd just wait for him to get done.

2544
03:05:03,960 --> 03:05:04,740
Oh, I'm sorry.

2545
03:05:04,920 --> 03:05:12,220
I think you're talking about the R-Zone because the Wenzeltown Center is already in what we're working with here,

2546
03:05:12,280 --> 03:05:14,420
which is maximum bonus density.

2547
03:05:16,800 --> 03:05:17,260
Right.

2548
03:05:17,760 --> 03:05:21,880
If this is the whole sewer area, so what is the maximum in the R-Zone?

2549
03:05:21,880 --> 03:05:26,620
for that right so you would like to set a cap on the portion for our zone I would

2550
03:05:26,620 --> 03:05:31,260
either like to set a cap or I would like this to be direction directly to the

2551
03:05:31,260 --> 03:05:34,460
Planning Commission and have them make the decision because what I don't like

2552
03:05:34,460 --> 03:05:37,660
here is direct the city manager to direct city staff to work with the

2553
03:05:37,660 --> 03:05:47,320
Planning Commission I'm just a little bit leery about yeah yeah I had a

2554
03:05:47,320 --> 03:05:51,420
couple other things but I don't think that's necessary I think the

2555
03:05:51,420 --> 03:05:58,240
the motion makers cramped a very solid motion and that again is directive rather than I just I don't think it's I don't think it

2556
03:05:58,240 --> 03:05:59,120
Accomplish as much

2557
03:05:59,120 --> 03:06:01,800
I'm just trying to

2558
03:06:02,400 --> 03:06:07,480
Deputy Mayor you're we haven't talked about the second or the last part of your motion

2559
03:06:08,620 --> 03:06:14,940
What how would you define or what would you think would be the comparable bonus density and residential zones if this should move forward?

2560
03:06:15,000 --> 03:06:16,820
Well, I mean we have the example of

2561
03:06:17,280 --> 03:06:20,340
HGDP is two and a half times underlying zoning

2562
03:06:21,420 --> 03:06:24,840
So that's, I mean, they've got things that they can look at to have worked.

2563
03:06:25,180 --> 03:06:32,660
I just wanted to give them the flexibility to determine what the incentive level should be that, you know, would, yeah, you know.

2564
03:06:32,940 --> 03:06:34,000
Thank you for answering that.

2565
03:06:34,720 --> 03:06:38,720
I'd like to continue my, I'm just clarification.

2566
03:06:42,560 --> 03:06:50,960
I'm curious about counter Matthew's comments because I want to just not to be affordable projects,

2567
03:06:50,960 --> 03:06:57,900
but I think the council member is speaking to trying to meet the needs of other groups

2568
03:06:57,900 --> 03:06:59,780
that aren't necessarily that.

2569
03:06:59,960 --> 03:07:06,740
We have a lot of people who are property rich and income poor because of they lived in their

2570
03:07:06,740 --> 03:07:11,660
facility for so long and now they have a $20,000 property tax they can't keep up.

2571
03:07:12,260 --> 03:07:16,440
And so I think that should also be considered even though income wise in their retirement

2572
03:07:16,440 --> 03:07:19,920
they might not fit, they might fit in the 100% range.

2573
03:07:19,920 --> 03:07:28,500
But they're still in the need of leaving a little waterfront home or whatever it might be, but they still want to live on the island.

2574
03:07:30,400 --> 03:07:32,520
And I think we don't talk about them enough.

2575
03:07:33,320 --> 03:07:37,540
So I just want to thank you for bringing it up. It's a very important and positive thought.

2576
03:07:41,360 --> 03:07:43,060
I think it's Council Member Schneider.

2577
03:07:43,340 --> 03:07:45,460
Then you, then Council Member Schneider.

2578
03:07:46,620 --> 03:07:47,580
Thank you, Deputy Mayor.

2579
03:07:47,580 --> 03:07:55,800
So, the way I'm strongly in support of this, the way I look at it is that it's like a blanket

2580
03:07:55,800 --> 03:08:03,180
that says, if you're going to do 100% affordable housing, we are going to get rid of the barriers.

2581
03:08:04,280 --> 03:08:10,380
So it doesn't affect if you're going to do something else, okay fine, it doesn't apply.

2582
03:08:10,380 --> 03:08:16,880
right? So the only thing I have a question about is, and maybe this is

2583
03:08:16,880 --> 03:08:22,820
provided in the table, but the maximum bonus density, what is that maximum bonus

2584
03:08:22,820 --> 03:08:27,120
density? And I think you address this later on. I have a motion on that. You do

2585
03:08:27,120 --> 03:08:32,720
have, yeah, that's what I thought. So anyway, that's a detail to be decided,

2586
03:08:33,080 --> 03:08:39,480
but yes, I'm very in favor of removing barriers when it's a 100%

2587
03:08:39,480 --> 03:08:40,360
and affordable project.

2588
03:08:40,620 --> 03:08:43,560
And I don't think it gets in the way of any other suggestions.

2589
03:08:44,560 --> 03:08:46,860
And to clarify in case that's not clear for the public

2590
03:08:46,860 --> 03:08:49,040
or anyone on the dais, the point is at the moment

2591
03:08:49,040 --> 03:08:52,320
there is in our code a current maximum bonus density,

2592
03:08:52,780 --> 03:08:54,080
there are recommended changes,

2593
03:08:54,460 --> 03:08:56,600
and then there's a potential for making a different change

2594
03:08:56,600 --> 03:08:58,320
that's different than the recommended changes.

2595
03:08:58,480 --> 03:09:01,260
So if this past and my motion

2596
03:09:01,260 --> 03:09:05,220
on density bonus maximum changed or didn't pass,

2597
03:09:05,680 --> 03:09:07,180
it would just be informed by whatever

2598
03:09:07,180 --> 03:09:08,120
the ultimate decisions are.

2599
03:09:08,120 --> 03:09:09,440
This would never direct that.

2600
03:09:12,060 --> 03:09:14,900
Council Member, I actually think it's Matthews and then Nelson.

2601
03:09:15,700 --> 03:09:16,660
Thanks, Deputy Mayor.

2602
03:09:17,000 --> 03:09:20,320
So just to clarify, if I support this,

2603
03:09:20,400 --> 03:09:26,900
this does not limit development of things that are not 100% affordable, right?

2604
03:09:27,740 --> 03:09:30,280
It's an option for 100% affordable projects.

2605
03:09:30,540 --> 03:09:36,600
So could it stay a harbor square built or a walk or a bliss?

2606
03:09:38,380 --> 03:09:41,680
Right. This wouldn't have anything to do with them. They wouldn't be this, right?

2607
03:09:42,180 --> 03:09:43,980
Well, to get the bonus, but to get that.

2608
03:09:43,980 --> 03:09:48,720
No, they couldn't get that, right? Because the point is this is the bonus density coming

2609
03:09:48,720 --> 03:09:52,300
because the project being proposed is 100% affordable.

2610
03:09:52,880 --> 03:09:58,140
This is not about making sure we have the right size and affordability for people

2611
03:09:58,140 --> 03:10:06,020
who are 100% aware. This is 100% aimed at solving for the 80% and below problem

2612
03:10:06,020 --> 03:10:12,240
we're dealing with that we cannot zone into. So we could all agree on this and then have

2613
03:10:12,240 --> 03:10:17,060
wildly different feelings about should we do market up zoning just to make more capacity

2614
03:10:17,060 --> 03:10:21,380
and we can talk at that point about that. Not going to, this doesn't stop that. It's

2615
03:10:21,380 --> 03:10:28,440
a different policy question. This is aimed at what, you know, the 1-0 was aimlessly

2616
03:10:28,440 --> 03:10:34,380
aimed at that wasn't doing anything. This is aimed at showing the state when combined

2617
03:10:34,380 --> 03:10:39,660
with funding, right, a funding plan which we have to do and we know that we have that we're going to

2618
03:10:39,660 --> 03:10:43,160
get these units and we can count them in a tiered report.

2619
03:10:45,800 --> 03:10:47,560
That's why I'm proposing it anyway.

2620
03:10:48,240 --> 03:10:49,800
So, how's we're going to listen to that?

2621
03:10:49,900 --> 03:10:55,480
Yeah, yeah, just, it's all the units, all the residential units are affordable. That's what we're talking about.

2622
03:10:55,740 --> 03:11:01,840
And I, I mean, I'm going to support it. I wish that there, I would love to see a little bit more

2623
03:11:01,840 --> 03:11:10,060
around what it means in the residential zones and and and I think that the last

2624
03:11:10,060 --> 03:11:13,440
planning commission meeting they did have a little bit of discussion on that

2625
03:11:13,440 --> 03:11:19,240
because it's sort of like should it be two and a half times because yeah if

2626
03:11:19,240 --> 03:11:24,160
it's a if it's your sort of a R2 or R3 you know you kind of get to kind of

2627
03:11:24,160 --> 03:11:28,860
R8 but but you know if you're at R12 and it's two and a half times

2628
03:11:28,860 --> 03:11:31,060
and suddenly you're getting up to like R30, right?

2629
03:11:31,380 --> 03:11:33,820
And that was I think what one of the commissioners mentioned

2630
03:11:33,820 --> 03:11:36,560
and so maybe it should be something like two and a half

2631
03:11:36,560 --> 03:11:38,480
times but up to R8 or something.

2632
03:11:38,660 --> 03:11:41,120
So, but I think the point you're making is that

2633
03:11:41,120 --> 03:11:42,800
you're leaving it to the Planning Commission

2634
03:11:42,800 --> 03:11:43,940
to decide on that.

2635
03:11:44,140 --> 03:11:46,140
Okay, well I'm gonna support this.

2636
03:11:47,380 --> 03:11:51,040
And yeah, I think it's another tool

2637
03:11:51,040 --> 03:11:53,220
to get commerce to sign off on a plan.

2638
03:11:53,760 --> 03:11:56,520
Are we ready to take the question?

2639
03:11:56,800 --> 03:11:57,240
Call the question?

2640
03:11:57,240 --> 03:12:05,480
motion. Okay. All those in favor of the motion? Aye. Opposed? Are we unanimous?

2641
03:12:08,490 --> 03:12:09,350
Are you voting?

2642
03:12:10,550 --> 03:12:20,570
You can vote no. Okay, begrudging unanimity. Thank you. That's really cool. So I have another

2643
03:12:20,570 --> 03:12:24,370
motion after this, but of course I also want to, I'm trying to kind of, we're sharing.

2644
03:12:24,370 --> 03:12:26,430
So, who, does someone else have a motion?

2645
03:12:27,150 --> 03:12:28,290
I have a motion.

2646
03:12:30,930 --> 03:12:35,590
I move to request the, and then I have a Robert's Rules question,

2647
03:12:37,150 --> 03:12:40,650
because is it possible to revisit a motion and change it

2648
03:12:43,270 --> 03:12:45,310
from my earlier motion?

2649
03:12:47,810 --> 03:12:48,290
Mayor.

2650
03:12:48,570 --> 03:12:52,230
The maker of the motion or the person who seconded the motion,

2651
03:12:52,790 --> 03:12:55,410
actually people on the prevailing side could revisit.

2652
03:12:56,150 --> 03:12:56,450
Okay.

2653
03:12:56,890 --> 03:12:57,290
Okay.

2654
03:12:57,290 --> 03:12:59,390
Okay, okay, so I will do that at the end

2655
03:12:59,390 --> 03:13:02,250
But I will just keep moving forward just to keep us moving

2656
03:13:02,250 --> 03:13:09,190
I moved to request the interim city manager direct our city attorney and staff to work with commerce on providing an official decision on

2657
03:13:09,190 --> 03:13:15,710
Whether or not being for dialing can be subject to the builders remedy sanction given our designation as a critical area and sole source aquifer

2658
03:13:15,710 --> 03:13:16,550
designation

2659
03:13:21,540 --> 03:13:27,520
Could you read that a little slower and again let us know what authority we're appealing to and what yeah

2660
03:13:29,240 --> 03:13:29,740
and

2661
03:13:29,740 --> 03:13:34,100
And then I'll give it the why I moved to request the interim city manager direct

2662
03:13:35,160 --> 03:13:39,980
Our city attorney and staff to work with commerce on providing an official

2663
03:13:41,860 --> 03:13:43,540
Why could be anywhere official?

2664
03:13:44,460 --> 03:13:52,480
Determination on whether or not Bainbridge Island can be subject to the builders remedy section given our designation as a critical area and sole source aquifer

2665
03:13:55,090 --> 03:13:56,210
Discussion I

2666
03:13:58,420 --> 03:14:02,900
think it's sensible builders remedy. So the builders remedy was one of the sanctions when we

2667
03:14:02,900 --> 03:14:05,980
the Housing Accountability Act gave that

2668
03:14:05,980 --> 03:14:07,880
as one of the consequences of this funding

2669
03:14:07,880 --> 03:14:09,640
in the Builders Remedy, and the Builders Remedy

2670
03:14:09,640 --> 03:14:13,800
is sort of like a proposed development.

2671
03:14:14,160 --> 03:14:18,860
There are things you can't really say no in a way, right?

2672
03:14:19,500 --> 03:14:22,420
But if that's a consequence

2673
03:14:22,420 --> 03:14:24,780
that we are not affected by, it would be good to know.

2674
03:14:25,400 --> 03:14:27,500
I just wanna know what our consequences are

2675
03:14:27,500 --> 03:14:29,640
because we've turned in what they've already said

2676
03:14:29,640 --> 03:14:32,360
as a non-compliant plan just from the letter yesterday,

2677
03:14:32,360 --> 03:14:36,940
and some of, I see it staying that way.

2678
03:14:37,260 --> 03:14:40,340
So just wanted to, just wanted to know.

2679
03:14:44,240 --> 03:14:44,880
Let's move on to Nelson.

2680
03:14:45,520 --> 03:14:47,000
It's kind of a question which is,

2681
03:14:47,260 --> 03:14:49,080
and this has kind of been on my list anyway,

2682
03:14:49,340 --> 03:14:52,580
which is why aren't we just asking for legal advice

2683
03:14:52,580 --> 03:14:53,940
from our city attorney on this?

2684
03:14:54,720 --> 03:14:57,020
You know, as sort of an alternative pathway

2685
03:14:57,020 --> 03:14:59,740
because, I mean, I agree, I agree that,

2686
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:12,220
This is a real issue to address because I had flagged its RCW 3678 835 11A3, it exempts parcels

2687
03:15:12,220 --> 03:15:16,480
that are in critical areas or in critical area buffers. And it's very similar language

2688
03:15:16,480 --> 03:15:25,240
to the language that exempts us from the 280U's per law. Yeah, exactly. So I just wonder

2689
03:15:25,240 --> 03:15:30,420
I'm not sure if why not just ask the city attorney for advice, but I'll leave that.

2690
03:15:34,160 --> 03:15:34,720
Councilor Lant.

2691
03:15:34,800 --> 03:15:35,140
Oh, sorry.

2692
03:15:35,800 --> 03:15:37,860
No, Councilor Lant was next.

2693
03:15:37,980 --> 03:15:38,400
Yeah, that's right.

2694
03:15:38,560 --> 03:15:39,020
Councilor Lant.

2695
03:15:39,420 --> 03:15:39,500
Yes.

2696
03:15:39,980 --> 03:15:40,280
All right.

2697
03:15:41,120 --> 03:15:44,900
I think that's a great motion, a great request, certainly.

2698
03:15:45,540 --> 03:15:46,620
And I'm in support of that.

2699
03:15:46,940 --> 03:15:50,000
I'm really in support of the answer, however we get there.

2700
03:15:50,780 --> 03:15:57,120
And I just wanted to point out, too, there was something in the commerce letter that kind of rang my bell a little bit.

2701
03:15:57,120 --> 03:16:03,760
it, and that was the, again, the fact that this jurisdiction will remain out of compliance

2702
03:16:03,760 --> 03:16:09,440
until it amends its housing element and or housing development regulations to be consistent

2703
03:16:09,440 --> 03:16:15,520
with the requirements in the RCW and commerce issues a decision of compliance.

2704
03:16:16,080 --> 03:16:22,160
So I'm also very curious about the things that we fear most, not just the Builders

2705
03:16:22,740 --> 03:16:31,520
all the grants that we're worried about, all the future financial applications we're hoping

2706
03:16:31,520 --> 03:16:36,620
to submit. Just a point that I think we talked about this one time before, and I think the

2707
03:16:36,620 --> 03:16:41,700
answer was once we turned the council approved plan in, we were done, but that is not the

2708
03:16:41,700 --> 03:16:42,860
case as I read it.

2709
03:16:46,320 --> 03:16:51,260
Commerce has to come back and say we are in compliance, so it's

2710
03:16:51,260 --> 03:16:53,040
It's not an automatic point.

2711
03:16:53,300 --> 03:16:56,700
So this is just a point to follow up on council members

2712
03:16:56,700 --> 03:17:01,480
Ashley request, Matthew's request for confirmation

2713
03:17:01,480 --> 03:17:02,760
of these things.

2714
03:17:04,980 --> 03:17:06,020
Mayor Morawaki.

2715
03:17:06,440 --> 03:17:07,260
Thank you, Deputy Mayor.

2716
03:17:07,800 --> 03:17:08,780
So that is a good question.

2717
03:17:09,040 --> 03:17:10,800
Is it our submission of a plan?

2718
03:17:11,400 --> 03:17:13,360
We met it and we're trying to get that

2719
03:17:13,360 --> 03:17:15,000
and they say you did submit a plan

2720
03:17:15,380 --> 03:17:19,700
or is it that I'm kind of addressing to informally

2721
03:17:19,700 --> 03:17:26,820
to our assistant city attorney, that we have to have it approved.

2722
03:17:27,560 --> 03:17:31,400
I thought it was, we just submit our, because we read a deadline to submit a plan and then

2723
03:17:31,400 --> 03:17:32,860
it's going to be considered.

2724
03:17:33,360 --> 03:17:34,840
We just haven't submitted a plan yet.

2725
03:17:37,080 --> 03:17:40,160
So Mayor, there's a couple of things that are being interplayed here.

2726
03:17:40,520 --> 03:17:46,120
So under the Housing Accountability Act, it says you need to submit your plan and

2727
03:17:46,120 --> 03:17:50,120
And then the commerce then comes up with a compliance determination.

2728
03:17:51,100 --> 03:17:57,540
That determination was just simply to say the city submitted a plan, the commerce says

2729
03:17:57,540 --> 03:18:02,100
it's non-compliance, the city disagrees, the city has a remedy to that, and that remedy

2730
03:18:02,100 --> 03:18:04,080
is to appeal to the growth management hearing board.

2731
03:18:04,560 --> 03:18:10,340
You can also submit a plan, you can also have it be declared compliant by commerce,

2732
03:18:10,480 --> 03:18:16,020
and somebody still challenge your plan to the growth management hearing board, and

2733
03:18:16,020 --> 03:18:20,620
disagree with both the city and the commerce and say it's non-compliant. In

2734
03:18:20,620 --> 03:18:25,240
both of those situations you are still facing the same set of issues at least

2735
03:18:25,240 --> 03:18:30,160
when it comes to the grant money. Just pushing out for a moment here the buyer's

2736
03:18:30,160 --> 03:18:33,140
remedy because I know to be respectful to the count to councilmember

2737
03:18:33,140 --> 03:18:37,900
Matthews a current motion but that's in the larger picture that is kind of

2738
03:18:37,900 --> 03:18:42,500
the pieces that are going. So your work here to submit the plan yes once

2739
03:18:42,500 --> 03:18:49,200
Once that's submitted, all these other pieces might happen, but it only gets triggered if

2740
03:18:49,200 --> 03:18:56,340
once we get compliance either, you know, sign, excuse me, commerce is a determination on

2741
03:18:56,340 --> 03:19:03,480
compliance, but also whether it is commerce or a third party or even the city in challenging

2742
03:19:03,480 --> 03:19:09,160
a decision by commerce, then decides to put an appeal to the growth management hearing

2743
03:19:09,160 --> 03:19:09,420
board.

2744
03:19:15,020 --> 03:19:19,060
Those are a lot of what ifs. That's a lot of rice.

2745
03:19:21,760 --> 03:19:25,220
Dice rolling. God, I'm hungry. Anyway.

2746
03:19:28,000 --> 03:19:35,260
So on the grant that is before us, what is the stipulation? What does it say? We have

2747
03:19:35,260 --> 03:19:43,160
have to have a plan submitted. We have to have a plan approved. What are the qualifications

2748
03:19:43,160 --> 03:19:49,060
of that grant, especially on the stormwater recharge project of a manzanita?

2749
03:19:51,600 --> 03:19:56,860
I think the answer to that is we don't know yet. The original guidance that we got from

2750
03:19:56,860 --> 03:20:01,520
commerce was before the Housing Accountability Act was passed and before we were selected

2751
03:20:01,520 --> 03:20:06,640
for that so we are still on the staff side working very hard towards the June 30th deadline

2752
03:20:07,200 --> 03:20:11,500
and assuming that we're going to get there. If we don't then we'll cross that bridge and

2753
03:20:11,500 --> 03:20:12,100
ask the questions.

2754
03:20:14,080 --> 03:20:17,660
Thank you. Thank you. I forgot where it was on this.

2755
03:20:23,750 --> 03:20:25,910
Okay. Train of thought has just

2756
03:20:25,910 --> 03:20:27,090
left and all the cars are empty.

2757
03:20:28,010 --> 03:20:33,050
I have a recommendation. Let's focus on the motion on the floor by Council Member

2758
03:20:33,050 --> 03:20:39,810
Matthews, let's then talk about asking for a report back to us from the city manager

2759
03:20:39,810 --> 03:20:45,730
with the advice of a city attorney with regards to the interplay with these different, basically

2760
03:20:46,340 --> 03:20:51,350
ways the scenario could play out with these competing deadlines and process issues to

2761
03:20:51,350 --> 03:20:55,270
also include the recent feedback from commerce.

2762
03:20:55,630 --> 03:21:00,570
So we have some dynamic pieces that could help us understand better our deadlines for

2763
03:21:00,570 --> 03:21:00,930
each part.

2764
03:21:00,930 --> 03:21:07,710
So why don't we park that, which is a different issue than the issue that Council Member Matthews is asking, which is

2765
03:21:08,390 --> 03:21:15,870
I think Council Member Matthews wants to kind of go to the horse's mouth and ask, hey, we're just asking you outright.

2766
03:21:16,150 --> 03:21:19,230
Is there an exception for us given our status?

2767
03:21:20,410 --> 03:21:21,350
So that's the motion on the table.

2768
03:21:21,890 --> 03:21:23,590
And we've been discussing it.

2769
03:21:23,730 --> 03:21:29,730
I'm going to go add a quick item of discussion, which is that my quick piece of discussion is that I will support it.

2770
03:21:29,730 --> 03:21:34,790
I I don't know that it's the be-all end-all question because there's things we might have done to

2771
03:21:34,790 --> 03:21:41,110
Litigate this or but I've always I've always assumed this was actually had needed a little bit needed new legislation for us

2772
03:21:41,110 --> 03:21:42,950
It'll be interesting to get the answer

2773
03:21:42,950 --> 03:21:44,930
I'm not sure we're gonna be able to tell the community

2774
03:21:45,590 --> 03:21:51,510
Dispositively this is the definitive answer that we might have gotten somewhere else, but I certainly support asking

2775
03:21:52,750 --> 03:21:53,690
councilmember Schneider

2776
03:21:54,890 --> 03:21:58,690
Council Member Matthews, you said you were going to speak to it as sort of the why.

2777
03:21:59,350 --> 03:22:10,240
And I guess just to state my concern, do we want an answer or do we just want to go for

2778
03:22:10,240 --> 03:22:12,140
success here, Lailo?

2779
03:22:13,920 --> 03:22:18,240
Because you know, so what I'm hoping you'll tell us is how, what difference would it

2780
03:22:18,240 --> 03:22:20,320
make to us going forward, right?

2781
03:22:20,320 --> 03:22:31,220
I mean I would want to know but I do want to know if we're thinking that we have

2782
03:22:31,220 --> 03:22:38,280
time to do certain things or we can maybe send in a non-compliant plan as the

2783
03:22:38,280 --> 03:22:46,240
planning commission's current iteration if they if you know if it goes as is

2784
03:22:46,240 --> 03:22:52,260
is not compliant. So it was less, I think, 420 units, even if through tonight's motions

2785
03:22:52,260 --> 03:22:58,060
we make up, say, gosh, a new capacity, not like half of that, cut it in half. It's still

2786
03:22:58,580 --> 03:23:06,000
non-compliant. And we turned in what went into commerce was the one FAR. That was still

2787
03:23:06,000 --> 03:23:13,160
not compliant. So I just am just wondering, as we keep going down the road, just want

2788
03:23:13,160 --> 03:23:17,660
to know, you know, what's my punishment? How much more room do I have? You know, maybe

2789
03:23:17,660 --> 03:23:22,080
there's the teenager in me. Like, where's the line? But I think it would be a good thing

2790
03:23:22,080 --> 03:23:30,940
for them to have to say either yay or nay and give us that, because I think we are,

2791
03:23:31,200 --> 03:23:36,080
you know, just acknowledge that would be really helpful for our community. I think, and

2792
03:23:36,080 --> 03:23:37,340
I think the community wants to know.

2793
03:23:37,980 --> 03:23:42,720
Councilor Land. I still agree I would like to know too and as much as I'd like to lay

2794
03:23:42,720 --> 03:23:49,560
low, BCAT could be broadcasting to commerce as we speak, so the jig is up. So they're

2795
03:23:49,560 --> 03:23:55,000
all listening anyway. But I do think that we've got motions coming that are going to

2796
03:23:55,000 --> 03:24:02,440
address the doubts that the motions we've heard so far are leaving out. It's purposeful.

2797
03:24:02,440 --> 03:24:10,540
I think that it's a waterfall of motions that will get us to some compliance recommendations

2798
03:24:10,540 --> 03:24:12,080
for planning commissions.

2799
03:24:12,460 --> 03:24:15,660
So I do support your motion, absolutely.

2800
03:24:17,080 --> 03:24:18,480
Can we call the question?

2801
03:24:19,700 --> 03:24:21,640
Bob, so thank you for reminding me.

2802
03:24:22,680 --> 03:24:26,600
And your motion is very sensible because you're simply asking, here's what we're

2803
03:24:26,600 --> 03:24:27,120
proposing.

2804
03:24:27,120 --> 03:24:34,380
You're asking our legal counsel who is supposed to represent us and how we're doing this to to the letter of law that

2805
03:24:35,660 --> 03:24:36,660
Getting them

2806
03:24:37,560 --> 03:24:39,560
Get a report card first from

2807
03:24:40,560 --> 03:24:45,640
Commerce that directly is what you're asking for and I think that's really sensible call

2808
03:24:48,390 --> 03:24:49,710
the question all those in favor

2809
03:24:50,210 --> 03:24:53,330
Hi, I posed. Okay passes unanimously

2810
03:24:54,810 --> 03:24:56,770
Where are we you in the U.N. motion go ahead

2811
03:25:01,210 --> 03:25:07,830
So I'm going to make a motion about subsidies, very specifically, the Planning Commission

2812
03:25:07,830 --> 03:25:13,550
has talked about this a lot and they haven't really gotten to this piece, but on top of

2813
03:25:13,550 --> 03:25:17,550
the voluntary inclusionary zoning, mandatory inclusionary zoning, there was going to be

2814
03:25:17,550 --> 03:25:23,890
a whole part about subsidies and funding and they actually had this excellent presentation

2815
03:25:23,890 --> 03:25:28,770
that was put together by Chris Garcia and one of their subcommittees that had a whole

2816
03:25:29,350 --> 03:25:34,550
suite of funding options. And I think, Chair Blossom, did she e-mail

2817
03:25:34,550 --> 03:25:39,970
that to us? Yeah, very good, very good. So that's what this is about, and this specifically

2818
03:25:39,970 --> 03:25:45,270
speaks to one of the deficiencies noted by the Department of Commerce. It was primarily

2819
03:25:45,270 --> 03:25:49,370
that we didn't have a chart showing the allocation by income level and that we

2820
03:25:49,370 --> 03:25:53,570
didn't have a discussion of funding sources and gaps in local funding so

2821
03:25:53,570 --> 03:25:58,490
that's what this goes to to the mayor's point. So I moved to direct the interim

2822
03:25:58,490 --> 03:26:02,050
city manager to include in the preferred alternative a discussion of

2823
03:26:02,050 --> 03:26:06,330
subsidies which shall include each of the following elements the total number

2824
03:26:06,330 --> 03:26:11,110
of housing units that require subsidies to be constructed the total cost of

2825
03:26:11,110 --> 03:26:14,950
subsidizing the number of housing units that require subsidies a

2826
03:26:14,950 --> 03:26:18,650
discussion of which available funding tools the city of Bambridge Island is

2827
03:26:18,650 --> 03:26:24,630
currently using, the gaps in local funding needed to achieve the city's housing allocation

2828
03:26:24,630 --> 03:26:30,550
targets and a discussion of which local tools can be implemented to help close the funding

2829
03:26:30,550 --> 03:26:31,010
gaps.

2830
03:26:33,910 --> 03:26:34,410
Second

2831
03:26:37,550 --> 03:26:38,050
discussion.

2832
03:26:41,210 --> 03:26:42,630
Council Member Schneider, I think.

2833
03:26:43,090 --> 03:26:43,510
Oh, no, sorry.

2834
03:26:43,650 --> 03:26:45,110
I mean, Council Member, you're the maker of the motion.

2835
03:26:45,530 --> 03:26:45,810
I'm sorry.

2836
03:26:45,830 --> 03:26:46,370
Oh, yeah.

2837
03:26:46,450 --> 03:26:47,370
I mean, I just spoke to it.

2838
03:26:47,590 --> 03:26:52,990
But all of these are the number of units required to be subsidized as mentioned in

2839
03:26:52,990 --> 03:26:54,690
in the House, in Commerce's letter,

2840
03:26:55,510 --> 03:26:58,410
as is a discussion of the funding tools,

2841
03:26:58,570 --> 03:27:01,510
a discussion of funding tools to help close the funding gaps

2842
03:27:01,510 --> 03:27:04,370
and a discussion of need for gaps in local funding.

2843
03:27:04,910 --> 03:27:07,850
So all of this is really speaking to specifically

2844
03:27:07,850 --> 03:27:11,190
what the Department of Commerce is asking we include.

2845
03:27:11,810 --> 03:27:13,790
And so I think that this would create

2846
03:27:13,790 --> 03:27:17,550
a very good discussion and as far as the funding tools

2847
03:27:17,550 --> 03:27:19,370
we can draw from what the Planning Commission

2848
03:27:19,370 --> 03:27:20,970
already provided to us.

2849
03:27:20,970 --> 03:27:23,890
And so I don't think that this would be a huge lift to do.

2850
03:27:24,090 --> 03:27:27,200
Council Member Schneider and then Lant.

2851
03:27:28,320 --> 03:27:29,320
This is great.

2852
03:27:30,560 --> 03:27:33,880
I feel like we've been kind of asking for this for a long time.

2853
03:27:34,760 --> 03:27:41,360
It's absolutely what I think commerce is expecting us to provide to say show your work, you know.

2854
03:27:41,620 --> 03:27:42,980
So I support it.

2855
03:27:43,940 --> 03:27:44,840
Council Member Lant.

2856
03:27:45,200 --> 03:27:46,280
Yeah, support it too.

2857
03:27:46,480 --> 03:27:49,180
And they said actually verbatim show your work.

2858
03:27:49,520 --> 03:27:51,120
And this is absolutely this is it.

2859
03:27:51,120 --> 03:27:58,920
But my only question mark is whether staff, the Planning Commission, can create something

2860
03:28:00,180 --> 03:28:05,960
and then give it back to us before the resolution that has been self-imposed by the 2025 Council,

2861
03:28:06,400 --> 03:28:07,940
and that might be for further discussion.

2862
03:28:08,160 --> 03:28:12,460
But whether we can get this all done by that time is a question mark for me, but

2863
03:28:12,460 --> 03:28:13,760
I absolutely support this motion.

2864
03:28:15,200 --> 03:28:17,300
Mayor Moriwaki and then Council Member Matthews.

2865
03:28:17,400 --> 03:28:17,860
Thank you to every Mayor.

2866
03:28:17,860 --> 03:28:25,460
and read comments that's the multiple specific subject topics which are fine

2867
03:28:25,460 --> 03:28:31,160
but do we have the intellectual and and capability to study all these things and

2868
03:28:31,160 --> 03:28:35,200
find all the possible funding sources I'm just curious if we're able to do that

2869
03:28:35,200 --> 03:28:40,540
and I'm looking ahead to council I mean deputy mayor's motion for which is

2870
03:28:40,540 --> 03:28:43,560
very similar I think we need to have all this stuff I just want to make

2871
03:28:43,560 --> 03:28:49,720
sure that we're not giving kind of a impossible homework assignment to stay in

2872
03:28:49,720 --> 03:28:53,800
that theme. That can be done comprehensively enough to meet our needs.

2873
03:28:54,700 --> 03:28:56,440
That's the only concern I have.

2874
03:28:57,560 --> 03:29:01,760
Thanks Deputy Mayor. So yeah, this is something Planning Commission's been

2875
03:29:01,760 --> 03:29:06,160
talking about all year and it was I think Commissioner Blossom sent us this

2876
03:29:06,160 --> 03:29:09,880
either yesterday or today and they had the subcommittee that did extensive

2877
03:29:09,880 --> 03:29:22,420
work on this. I too don't, I mean staff in 10 days is minus another realistically. I don't see all

2878
03:29:22,420 --> 03:29:26,440
of the things there on that list getting done but what I do see as being possible is them

2879
03:29:26,440 --> 03:29:32,720
literally using the subcommittees presentation and data that they already did. I don't know if

2880
03:29:32,720 --> 03:29:39,400
we need to recreate the wheel, we just need to tie it into, so I think there's a way to

2881
03:29:39,400 --> 03:29:46,100
mesh the work somehow. So maybe staff could work with the current, with the

2882
03:29:46,100 --> 03:29:49,620
PowerPoint that Commissioner Blossom presented and the work the subcommittee

2883
03:29:49,620 --> 03:29:54,900
did. Okay, Councilmember Fenner Johnson. Well look, I think that you know the

2884
03:29:54,900 --> 03:29:59,200
Planning Commission is they're talented and we already have this

2885
03:29:59,200 --> 03:29:59,760
information.

2886
03:30:02,020 --> 03:30:08,280
And I think if we, you know, they're asking us to give them direction, and this is it. It's

2887
03:30:08,280 --> 03:30:14,240
like this is what we need. This is what commerce is asking for. So let's get this part done.

2888
03:30:15,660 --> 03:30:21,000
So I'm looking at this in relation to my motion, my fourth motion, and trying to figure out for

2889
03:30:21,000 --> 03:30:25,360
sure that I'm 100% comfortable with it and that it covers everything I wanted it to.

2890
03:30:26,340 --> 03:30:30,580
One question is, I mean, I was struck by the word subsidy because although I'm just trying

2891
03:30:30,580 --> 03:30:35,480
to think about whether every single way we fund will be a subsidy, not sure if a subsidy

2892
03:30:35,480 --> 03:30:40,700
is what I would call direct build, I had said, you know, preliminary framework for the delivery

2893
03:30:40,700 --> 03:30:42,480
of income qualified for housing.

2894
03:30:42,720 --> 03:30:48,440
So that's one question, and I mean, we've got a motion on the table so we should work

2895
03:30:48,440 --> 03:30:48,780
with it.

2896
03:30:49,160 --> 03:30:51,220
What was your date for bringing this back to us?

2897
03:30:52,380 --> 03:30:53,700
Was it coming back to us?

2898
03:30:53,700 --> 03:30:59,100
That's another issue. It was important to me. Sorry. Yeah. Council make the motion. No, no. I don't have a date

2899
03:30:59,100 --> 03:31:03,420
This is just to be included in the in the comprehensive plan update. It's directly

2900
03:31:04,540 --> 03:31:05,660
responsive to

2901
03:31:07,520 --> 03:31:08,940
To commerce's letter

2902
03:31:09,740 --> 03:31:15,820
And in fact your question about the the word subsidies the commerce letter

2903
03:31:15,820 --> 03:31:23,360
Specifically says subsidies it says jurisdiction should identify the number of housing units that require subsidies to be constructed in the

2904
03:31:23,360 --> 03:31:25,380
gaps in local funding needed to achieve

2905
03:31:25,380 --> 03:31:26,560
these affordable housing needs,

2906
03:31:26,820 --> 03:31:28,760
information on which local funding tools

2907
03:31:28,760 --> 03:31:30,440
or incentives are being used,

2908
03:31:30,680 --> 03:31:32,340
and which local tools can be implemented

2909
03:31:32,340 --> 03:31:33,660
to help close the funding gap.

2910
03:31:33,820 --> 03:31:34,580
No, I understand.

2911
03:31:34,760 --> 03:31:37,360
I'm trying to be sure we're being as expansive as possible

2912
03:31:37,360 --> 03:31:39,520
and not closing off anything by subsidies.

2913
03:31:39,840 --> 03:31:42,280
So the things that to me that,

2914
03:31:43,040 --> 03:31:45,160
I can't help it since I wrote the other motion, right?

2915
03:31:45,300 --> 03:31:47,320
I mean, I want this to come back to us

2916
03:31:47,320 --> 03:31:48,440
because we're the policy makers

2917
03:31:48,440 --> 03:31:49,940
and we're gonna have to go yay

2918
03:31:49,940 --> 03:31:51,680
or it can't go in anywhere, right?

2919
03:31:51,680 --> 03:31:56,200
It needs to come back to us in time for this to go into the next land capacity analysis.

2920
03:31:56,660 --> 03:32:02,280
So can we massage just a little bit to make sure some of these things happen?

2921
03:32:02,320 --> 03:32:04,300
Is there anything that you want to add to it?

2922
03:32:04,380 --> 03:32:09,140
Because I'm in faith, I'm trying to make this expansive to include everything that might

2923
03:32:09,140 --> 03:32:09,700
be needed.

2924
03:32:10,080 --> 03:32:13,820
Is it inappropriate for me to read my alternative motion as just discussion?

2925
03:32:14,040 --> 03:32:17,660
I'm going to read my motion just to be clear what's different because I also include

2926
03:32:17,660 --> 03:32:19,940
a reference to the city attorney, which I think is important.

2927
03:32:19,940 --> 03:32:26,620
So my motion was I moved to direct the city manager to direct the city staff. This is not a motion. This is a comment

2928
03:32:27,800 --> 03:32:33,500
To direct the city manager direct city staff to develop with the guidance of the city attorney because this is compliance a

2929
03:32:34,200 --> 03:32:41,040
preliminary framework for the delivery of income qualified affordable housing that includes a combination of partnerships fee and loop programs direct investment from

2930
03:32:41,040 --> 03:32:46,760
The city including contributions of public land new and existing revenue sources and all their potential mechanisms and

2931
03:32:46,760 --> 03:32:49,640
Return to the city council with a plan for adoption no later than May

2932
03:32:51,200 --> 03:32:57,240
understanding that the date would need to be discussed, but process-wise we need to endorse

2933
03:32:57,780 --> 03:33:01,400
something like this, I believe, and I get guidance from someone else, I think it won't

2934
03:33:01,400 --> 03:33:07,460
to pass muster with, and it won't be that we all understand, we're talking about tons

2935
03:33:07,460 --> 03:33:13,300
of millions of dollars of gap, so it's not going to be that we found it all, it's

2936
03:33:13,300 --> 03:33:17,800
going to be with the most credible attempt possible to where we will be pulling in

2937
03:33:17,800 --> 03:33:23,240
it's the thing we can. Mayor. Thank you Deputy Mayor. That's what I was trying to get to.

2938
03:33:23,360 --> 03:33:29,020
I looked I liked your motion at least for one thing. It's it's a little flowing

2939
03:33:29,020 --> 03:33:33,840
better plus I think it's actually a little more comprehensive and it captures

2940
03:33:33,840 --> 03:33:38,920
everything that I believe Councilmember Nelson was seeking just the

2941
03:33:38,920 --> 03:33:42,360
language is a little different and has more flexibility than being so

2942
03:33:42,360 --> 03:33:53,580
the specific so yeah and so thank you just in lieu of us and I know you have you

2943
03:33:53,580 --> 03:33:58,240
know private ownership and stuff but I the problem I had with that the first

2944
03:33:58,240 --> 03:34:02,400
motion was all the specificity that said you must address these individual

2945
03:34:02,400 --> 03:34:05,580
things I wasn't quite sure if you didn't check those off that would they

2946
03:34:05,580 --> 03:34:09,720
failed on their job so I think this is a little broader it probably captures

2947
03:34:09,720 --> 03:34:12,700
There's most, if not all, the things that you're asking.

2948
03:34:13,220 --> 03:34:15,800
I just think that when it was spelled out directly,

2949
03:34:15,980 --> 03:34:18,120
it is an action that has to be fulfilled.

2950
03:34:18,580 --> 03:34:20,040
I just hope you understand that.

2951
03:34:20,380 --> 03:34:23,180
And can I just add that jogs more,

2952
03:34:23,340 --> 03:34:24,740
what's why is it itching at me?

2953
03:34:25,560 --> 03:34:28,040
I think that's why I wanted to mention the city attorney,

2954
03:34:28,320 --> 03:34:29,660
and I would like to keep it really broad,

2955
03:34:29,780 --> 03:34:32,600
like a framework, is that this is in flux.

2956
03:34:33,040 --> 03:34:34,620
I mean, I don't know if there's any active decisions

2957
03:34:34,620 --> 03:34:36,080
being made right now by the gross management

2958
03:34:36,080 --> 03:34:39,000
hearing board or what, but we know Mercer Island's

2959
03:34:39,000 --> 03:34:42,920
still working on I think their city council is actually has just received

2960
03:34:42,920 --> 03:34:46,800
these kind of things and they're working it through so it's in motion and

2961
03:34:46,800 --> 03:34:51,420
having legal counsel also trying to figure out what would this look like

2962
03:34:51,420 --> 03:34:55,200
what's going to pass muster and and I appreciate very much that Council

2963
03:34:55,200 --> 03:34:58,940
member Nelson he's been repeating some of this excellent language for a while

2964
03:34:58,940 --> 03:35:01,700
about things like the gaps in local funding etc. I think these are some

2965
03:35:01,700 --> 03:35:05,800
really great keywords but the whole point is at the end of the day we're

2966
03:35:05,800 --> 03:35:10,500
going to want the best legal guidance we can get up to date on what are those key words

2967
03:35:10,500 --> 03:35:13,900
that they're going to want? What is it that's going to tell them the difference between,

2968
03:35:14,520 --> 03:35:18,040
eh, and oh yeah, they're really serious or whatever it's going to take? So that's

2969
03:35:18,040 --> 03:35:18,820
kind of how I'm feeling.

2970
03:35:21,400 --> 03:35:26,420
I think my concern with your formulation is it doesn't include things like gaps in

2971
03:35:26,420 --> 03:35:29,880
local funding, which is sort of those key words and something that the Department

2972
03:35:29,880 --> 03:35:34,160
of Commerce called out. And same with subsidies, it doesn't use this word subsidy. So

2973
03:35:34,160 --> 03:35:41,280
So my language is specifically taken from Commerce's letter, but I also think would it help if

2974
03:35:41,700 --> 03:35:46,820
we included the city attorney in it, and if we softened it to maybe say should instead

2975
03:35:46,820 --> 03:35:47,360
of shall?

2976
03:35:48,060 --> 03:35:56,380
I think if you can simply say that, I think we're both saying we want the city attorney

2977
03:35:57,200 --> 03:36:01,680
and the help of Commerce to tell us what should go in there, and what you're saying

2978
03:36:01,680 --> 03:36:04,020
is you're thinking it's this, right?

2979
03:36:04,220 --> 03:36:07,920
And so it could be, it could say that it might include

2980
03:36:07,920 --> 03:36:10,020
or it will include, but that's fine.

2981
03:36:10,180 --> 03:36:12,840
But as long as it opens it up to allow the best advice

2982
03:36:12,840 --> 03:36:14,700
and we're not dictating what it does,

2983
03:36:15,140 --> 03:36:17,560
we know, I think everybody here knows what we want.

2984
03:36:17,940 --> 03:36:20,360
What we want is we want the funding piece

2985
03:36:20,960 --> 03:36:24,440
to go in our housing plan that is going to give us

2986
03:36:24,440 --> 03:36:26,580
credibility of delivering this housing.

2987
03:36:26,580 --> 03:36:35,620
Okay so I move to amend my motion to to read I move to direct the interim city

2988
03:36:35,620 --> 03:36:39,140
manager to work with the city attorney to include in the preferred

2989
03:36:39,140 --> 03:36:43,360
alternative a discussion of subsidies which may include each of the following

2990
03:36:43,360 --> 03:36:47,420
elements a total cost of housing units that require subsidies to be

2991
03:36:47,420 --> 03:36:50,860
constructed the total cost of subsidizing the number of housing

2992
03:36:50,860 --> 03:36:54,020
units that require subsidies a discussion of which available funding

2993
03:36:54,020 --> 03:36:58,440
tools the city of Bayon Rouge Island is currently using, the gaps in local funding needed to achieve

2994
03:36:58,440 --> 03:37:03,040
the city's housing allocation targets, and a discussion of which local tools can be implemented

2995
03:37:03,040 --> 03:37:04,640
to help close the funding gaps.

2996
03:37:07,180 --> 03:37:11,620
Do we have a second? I seconded it the first time. I'm happy

2997
03:37:11,620 --> 03:37:16,960
to second it, but I really want to comment. Okay, Council Member Schneider. I don't see

2998
03:37:16,960 --> 03:37:22,520
that there's a conflict between the two. I would like to pass both of them. And I don't

2999
03:37:22,520 --> 03:37:26,520
think, you know, if there's some sort of a clash between both of them at some point

3000
03:37:26,520 --> 03:37:35,000
in the future, we hash it out. So yeah, we want legal support. I mean, I just, I'm willing

3001
03:37:35,000 --> 03:37:41,300
to be locked in a room with pizza to hammer this thing out. That's my threat to staff

3002
03:37:41,300 --> 03:37:46,400
and the planning commission or whatever, you know, like, we could do this. And maybe

3003
03:37:46,400 --> 03:37:49,760
we do it in steering committee. We get a head start on it or something that's

3004
03:37:49,760 --> 03:37:56,120
happening on Monday but I mean this is just I think a lot of it is just format

3005
03:37:56,120 --> 03:38:01,640
like how do you set up the page so that you're filling in the blanks so that

3006
03:38:01,640 --> 03:38:12,000
you're meeting commerce's requirements and so I'm happy with it now I'm happy

3007
03:38:12,000 --> 03:38:19,000
with it the way it was I'm happy with supporting deputy mayor's one

3008
03:38:19,000 --> 03:38:21,700
I'm following and I don't think there's a big conflict there.

3009
03:38:21,860 --> 03:38:23,440
Could we, could we seek advice from,

3010
03:38:23,700 --> 03:38:26,440
or input from the city manager and the city attorney?

3011
03:38:26,640 --> 03:38:29,140
I think passing the two would be weird for the record.

3012
03:38:29,440 --> 03:38:32,420
And so could we, if we pass the one on the table,

3013
03:38:33,400 --> 03:38:35,600
is there enough, does that,

3014
03:38:36,180 --> 03:38:37,900
I don't wanna assume any of this context ever

3015
03:38:37,900 --> 03:38:39,180
for the record, the record's that.

3016
03:38:39,440 --> 03:38:42,760
So is that, does that say what you think,

3017
03:38:42,920 --> 03:38:45,360
I guess city attorney, we're trying to say about

3018
03:38:45,360 --> 03:38:48,160
if you're off working or when you're colleagues

3019
03:38:48,160 --> 03:38:52,280
with staff and trying to produce something, you know what we're trying to do.

3020
03:38:52,680 --> 03:38:52,860
Yes.

3021
03:38:54,340 --> 03:38:54,380
Yes.

3022
03:38:55,120 --> 03:38:56,640
Let's just take the motion on the table.

3023
03:38:57,760 --> 03:38:58,420
On the floor, you mean?

3024
03:38:58,520 --> 03:38:58,920
On the floor.

3025
03:38:59,460 --> 03:38:59,860
Yeah.

3026
03:39:00,240 --> 03:39:03,480
And just a friendly amendment.

3027
03:39:04,180 --> 03:39:08,680
And just so the one part that is, I don't think you had this in yours.

3028
03:39:09,920 --> 03:39:13,120
And I think it's going to be intuitive as this is how the city manager would work.

3029
03:39:13,120 --> 03:39:17,240
but the deputy mayor's motion says a direct the city manager to direct city

3030
03:39:17,240 --> 03:39:22,480
staff and you can have that gap out I'm just we would assume she's working city

3031
03:39:22,480 --> 03:39:27,440
staff but I would you want to be specific I'm certainly fine with that

3032
03:39:27,440 --> 03:39:32,620
friendly amendment thank you could you add a return date or something to

3033
03:39:32,620 --> 03:39:36,220
return it to us I don't want this floating out there I'm gonna break in

3034
03:39:36,220 --> 03:39:41,320
and say I think that's very important okay okay so okay how about I

3035
03:39:41,320 --> 03:39:43,480
I withdraw my motion and restate it, no?

3036
03:39:43,880 --> 03:39:44,900
Oh, whatever you want.

3037
03:39:45,200 --> 03:39:48,440
Because then there's several things.

3038
03:39:48,780 --> 03:39:52,500
Okay, so I move to direct the interim city manager

3039
03:39:52,500 --> 03:39:56,340
to direct staff working with the city attorney

3040
03:39:56,340 --> 03:39:58,000
to include in the preferred alternative

3041
03:39:58,000 --> 03:40:02,000
a discussion of subsidies which shall be returned

3042
03:40:02,000 --> 03:40:05,820
to the city council no later than May 12th

3043
03:40:05,820 --> 03:40:06,960
and which shall include,

3044
03:40:07,260 --> 03:40:09,320
or which should include each of the following elements,

3045
03:40:09,320 --> 03:40:12,680
the total number of housing units that require subsidies to be constructed,

3046
03:40:13,140 --> 03:40:16,700
a total cost of subsidizing the number of housing units that require subsidies,

3047
03:40:17,200 --> 03:40:20,560
a discussion of which available funding tools the City of Bainbridge Island is

3048
03:40:20,560 --> 03:40:24,460
currently using, the gaps in local funding needed to achieve the City's

3049
03:40:24,460 --> 03:40:28,740
housing allocation targets, and a discussion of which local tools can be

3050
03:40:28,740 --> 03:40:30,580
implemented to help close the funding gaps.

3051
03:40:35,750 --> 03:40:39,090
No date. I did. I said May 12th.

3052
03:40:39,090 --> 03:40:39,550
Thank you.

3053
03:40:39,870 --> 03:40:40,910
It was so much, I'm sorry.

3054
03:40:41,230 --> 03:40:42,290
Great seconded.

3055
03:40:42,890 --> 03:40:43,530
Any more discussion?

3056
03:40:47,620 --> 03:40:48,360
Okay, all those in favor?

3057
03:40:49,580 --> 03:40:50,300
I opposed.

3058
03:40:51,220 --> 03:40:52,060
Motion carries unanimously.

3059
03:40:52,540 --> 03:40:53,220
Great job, everybody.

3060
03:40:54,080 --> 03:40:55,220
I have one more motion.

3061
03:40:55,880 --> 03:40:56,780
Did you have another motion?

3062
03:41:00,160 --> 03:41:01,600
Oh, it's my turn actually, isn't it?

3063
03:41:01,640 --> 03:41:01,920
I'm sorry.

3064
03:41:03,040 --> 03:41:05,500
Okay, so, oh no, I actually have two more.

3065
03:41:05,600 --> 03:41:07,440
One's short, and I hope that people

3066
03:41:07,440 --> 03:41:08,940
already have a feeling about this or not.

3067
03:41:09,020 --> 03:41:10,200
I've gotta go up to back the top.

3068
03:41:10,260 --> 03:41:11,240
And that was motion three,

3069
03:41:11,240 --> 03:41:14,540
which was to reduce the proposed increase

3070
03:41:14,540 --> 03:41:17,420
of maximum bonus FAR in the Winslow Town Center.

3071
03:41:17,640 --> 03:41:20,720
So I moved to reduce the proposed increases

3072
03:41:20,720 --> 03:41:25,080
in maximum bonus FAR in the Winslow Town Center to 2.5 FAR.

3073
03:41:25,500 --> 03:41:25,980
Second.

3074
03:41:26,580 --> 03:41:28,940
I'm going to just make my brief comments in favor of that.

3075
03:41:29,500 --> 03:41:33,320
So if you look at that chart, that would be referring

3076
03:41:33,320 --> 03:41:34,960
to the last chart that I provided.

3077
03:41:35,500 --> 03:41:40,020
You can see what the current maximus is bonus FAR, right?

3078
03:41:40,020 --> 03:41:41,560
It is available if you do certain things.

3079
03:41:41,720 --> 03:41:45,860
We can create other programs and they can say we can reference bonus FAR max.

3080
03:41:46,860 --> 03:41:49,040
You can see what the current is and the recommended.

3081
03:41:50,260 --> 03:41:54,060
The current draft has upped and this is not Planning Commission's recommendation.

3082
03:41:54,440 --> 03:41:55,580
I'm quite sure.

3083
03:41:57,660 --> 03:41:59,840
I'm not going to get that right.

3084
03:42:01,860 --> 03:42:05,400
So the bottom line is the increased recommendation.

3085
03:42:05,860 --> 03:42:08,040
God, I should know that because I feel like I know that's the case.

3086
03:42:08,040 --> 03:42:14,300
But 3.0 FAR in the central core overlay, let's see, sorry.

3087
03:42:15,560 --> 03:42:18,260
We've got up to 3.0 and 4.0 FAR.

3088
03:42:18,580 --> 03:42:21,340
And we've been talking about this because obviously that's

3089
03:42:21,340 --> 03:42:25,840
a very large increase in FAR, the original proposed changes.

3090
03:42:25,960 --> 03:42:27,920
I think that's the issue, just one second.

3091
03:42:29,700 --> 03:42:33,080
These are increases, so we shouldn't work this late.

3092
03:42:33,960 --> 03:42:35,260
Nobody should make decisions right now.

3093
03:42:38,120 --> 03:42:46,040
The increases that were, oh, I'm sorry, this is what I'm trying to say, if we went to 2.5

3094
03:42:46,040 --> 03:42:51,700
FAR, why am I proposing 2.5 FAR as our maximum bonus in these areas, if we went to 2.5 FAR

3095
03:42:51,700 --> 03:42:58,080
that is already an increase over these original underlying densities we have here, maximum

3096
03:42:58,080 --> 03:43:01,700
densities of 200 to 400 percent is what I'm trying to say.

3097
03:43:02,360 --> 03:43:07,500
We know that 2.5 FAR is sufficient to build, for example, we have a living example

3098
03:43:07,500 --> 03:43:16,400
of it. 625 fits on that site to maximum build in 2.5far. So first of all going all the way to 4.0

3099
03:43:16,400 --> 03:43:24,120
and 3.0 in this pass of the of the of the of our planning it feels too soon too fast one we know 2.5

3100
03:43:24,120 --> 03:43:31,440
far can build 625 and similar projects across the city and I think what I what I particularly

3101
03:43:31,440 --> 03:43:35,020
I really wanted to point out was that gosh,

3102
03:43:37,310 --> 03:43:37,790
I'm brain dead.

3103
03:43:41,960 --> 03:43:43,620
I think I'm going to leave it at that and see.

3104
03:43:43,760 --> 03:43:45,820
Wait, is there additional, is there additional conversation?

3105
03:43:46,080 --> 03:43:47,920
Because I'm going to try to remember what I was going to say.

3106
03:43:48,340 --> 03:43:49,280
Yeah, go ahead.

3107
03:43:49,380 --> 03:43:49,500
Go ahead.

3108
03:43:51,780 --> 03:43:55,900
Yeah, I'm looking at a table and I'm not in favor of that.

3109
03:43:56,020 --> 03:44:00,420
I think it should be as many carrots and as possible

3110
03:44:00,420 --> 03:44:04,920
attractions that could be for developers, especially for property

3111
03:44:04,920 --> 03:44:12,120
owned by religious organizations. I think the 3.0 and the 4.0 are really attractive because

3112
03:44:12,660 --> 03:44:17,380
these developers are really going to have to put in and find ways to make these structures

3113
03:44:17,880 --> 03:44:23,320
affordable for the people who may be living there. So I think that there's no guarantee

3114
03:44:23,320 --> 03:44:27,640
it's going to get that high, but if they can find a way to get the affordability and meet

3115
03:44:27,640 --> 03:44:31,920
all of our current codes that are in compliance with the other things that we have in our

3116
03:44:31,920 --> 03:44:39,160
municipal code then it is the real grail for them if you can get there so I

3117
03:44:39,160 --> 03:44:42,560
think it I think we need all possible options that can be attractive to

3118
03:44:42,560 --> 03:44:46,580
potential partners and developers to build the affordable housing on the

3119
03:44:46,580 --> 03:44:51,930
styling we need. Councillor Matthews. Thanks Deputy Mayor. Yeah I agree with the

3120
03:44:51,930 --> 03:44:57,690
Mayor. I think all the carrots are a good idea. I do and this came from

3121
03:44:57,690 --> 03:44:59,850
Planning Commission and I do remember all of their

3122
03:44:59,850 --> 03:44:59,970
Thank you very much for your time.

3123
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:04,300
We have a discussion around this, and this, they had very specific reasons why it was for,

3124
03:45:04,500 --> 03:45:07,900
and so out of one side of our mouth we're like, we have to listen to what planning commission

3125
03:45:07,900 --> 03:45:13,460
says to with the 3-2 versus the 4-6, and that of the other side, like, well, let's change

3126
03:45:13,460 --> 03:45:18,680
what they said here. I know we're the policy makers, but we have to, for sake of argument

3127
03:45:19,160 --> 03:45:24,860
that was made this evening, then let's follow our own argument. So let's, I don't support

3128
03:45:24,860 --> 03:45:25,080
this.

3129
03:45:26,060 --> 03:45:28,960
I can remember what I was going to say, but go ahead, Council Member Schneider.

3130
03:45:30,280 --> 03:45:31,160
Thank you.

3131
03:45:32,540 --> 03:45:33,840
I do support it.

3132
03:45:35,580 --> 03:45:44,380
I think that I'm really grateful that we have a living example of what it could look like.

3133
03:45:45,480 --> 03:45:54,600
And I think, you know, if the Planning Commission has a scenario by which they would need three

3134
03:45:54,600 --> 03:46:01,240
or four then you know we can always change our minds but I think that what we

3135
03:46:01,240 --> 03:46:07,660
I'm in favor of having a bit more of an incremental process I'm not process an

3136
03:46:07,660 --> 03:46:14,980
incremental stepping stone towards where how fast the island changes and what

3137
03:46:14,980 --> 03:46:22,740
not and I think it'll give the community a sense of confidence that

3138
03:46:22,740 --> 03:46:24,520
that we're not going too far too fast.

3139
03:46:25,180 --> 03:46:27,480
So I think it's enough for us to get done

3140
03:46:27,480 --> 03:46:29,600
what we need to get done and it's not too much

3141
03:46:29,600 --> 03:46:32,500
and I'm willing to change my mind on down the road

3142
03:46:32,500 --> 03:46:33,560
if I hear a good excuse.

3143
03:46:34,020 --> 03:46:34,440
Thank you.

3144
03:46:34,760 --> 03:46:35,200
Well, thanks.

3145
03:46:35,340 --> 03:46:37,560
Well, thank you for bearing with my blather a moment ago.

3146
03:46:37,680 --> 03:46:39,480
I'm truly fried, so I'm sorry about that.

3147
03:46:39,600 --> 03:46:42,740
No, the reason I was struggling with the recommendations

3148
03:46:42,740 --> 03:46:44,640
for the Planning Commission is that

3149
03:46:44,640 --> 03:46:46,160
as this came through Planning Commission

3150
03:46:46,160 --> 03:46:47,900
with these very large FARs,

3151
03:46:48,040 --> 03:46:50,400
I mean, for our community this was huge, right?

3152
03:46:50,400 --> 03:46:53,140
And just for the public's understanding, what 3.0

3153
03:46:53,140 --> 03:46:56,120
floor ratio means is that the mass you're working with

3154
03:46:56,120 --> 03:46:58,200
is three stories high, lot line to lot line.

3155
03:46:58,560 --> 03:47:00,380
Doesn't mean you can build lot line to lot line,

3156
03:47:00,440 --> 03:47:01,540
but I'm gonna say something about that.

3157
03:47:01,880 --> 03:47:05,360
Or 4.0 is four stories, lot line to lot line of mass.

3158
03:47:06,000 --> 03:47:08,520
So these are very large for us because once you put in,

3159
03:47:09,300 --> 03:47:10,600
if you, depending on the height you allow

3160
03:47:10,600 --> 03:47:13,260
and you've got setbacks, these can get tall

3161
03:47:13,260 --> 03:47:14,860
or they can be fat or whatever.

3162
03:47:15,980 --> 03:47:17,860
The planning commission, as it was making these,

3163
03:47:17,860 --> 03:47:22,340
It was playing with these, and it was not unanimous, but yes, they did ultimately decide

3164
03:47:22,340 --> 03:47:22,820
they wanted to do that.

3165
03:47:22,880 --> 03:47:27,780
They talked a lot about the fact that 3.0 and 4.0 would be hemmed in by, it would be

3166
03:47:27,780 --> 03:47:31,680
controlled by other development standards, height and setbacks and so forth.

3167
03:47:32,060 --> 03:47:35,240
And these are really important to us because we need permeability of structures, we need

3168
03:47:35,240 --> 03:47:39,040
step back structures to make them visually, you know, not overwhelming, et cetera.

3169
03:47:39,960 --> 03:47:45,300
So first of all, even if what happened since with regards to lock coverage had

3170
03:47:45,300 --> 03:47:45,940
not happened.

3171
03:47:45,940 --> 03:47:50,400
And I was always intending when this came to us, I don't know if I'd get any traction,

3172
03:47:50,860 --> 03:47:54,400
but yes, even though these are the recommendation of the Planning Commission, we are the policy

3173
03:47:54,400 --> 03:47:54,780
makers.

3174
03:47:55,020 --> 03:47:58,940
And I don't think I've said that we're here to endorse everything the Planning Commission

3175
03:47:58,940 --> 03:47:59,260
does.

3176
03:47:59,420 --> 03:48:03,600
I would like to work as much as possible with their work, but we make the decisions

3177
03:48:03,600 --> 03:48:04,160
ultimately.

3178
03:48:04,800 --> 03:48:09,600
And I believe 2.5 has been demonstrated to us as an adequate next step.

3179
03:48:09,840 --> 03:48:14,320
And again, that is 200 to 400 percent increased density over the current.

3180
03:48:15,160 --> 03:48:20,360
And so what's happened since that has further eroded my trust as to what this would look

3181
03:48:20,360 --> 03:48:24,000
like, which is very important, because the Planning Commission themselves were saying,

3182
03:48:24,040 --> 03:48:28,600
staff was saying there was an understanding, what we're not saying, you'd have, say, 100%

3183
03:48:28,600 --> 03:48:34,120
lock coverage and 3.0 or 4.0 FAR, because that would literally be these massive structures

3184
03:48:34,120 --> 03:48:36,120
with no setbacks or anything.

3185
03:48:36,820 --> 03:48:43,040
And in fact, staff did put into the preferred alternative that was submitted to Commerce

3186
03:48:43,040 --> 03:48:47,200
100% lock coverage. I believe it was, and please don't quote me, but it was at least

3187
03:48:47,200 --> 03:48:54,120
in Ferry, the Ferry District. And that greatly undermines my feeling that we can have faith

3188
03:48:54,120 --> 03:49:00,320
that we can't say 3.0 FAR, we get that in the door and we'll have these and then we're

3189
03:49:00,320 --> 03:49:05,100
just angling to get as much lock coverage and height as possible because then we've

3190
03:49:05,100 --> 03:49:10,740
already opened the door halfway to structures that nobody in this community. I don't care

3191
03:49:10,740 --> 03:49:12,760
or how much, I mean, okay, you never see nobody.

3192
03:49:13,400 --> 03:49:16,380
Many more people who strongly support affordable housing

3193
03:49:16,380 --> 03:49:18,420
would be shocked by and not feel

3194
03:49:18,420 --> 03:49:21,460
that at least not now in this planning cycle

3195
03:49:22,000 --> 03:49:23,300
this community's ready for.

3196
03:49:23,580 --> 03:49:24,780
I don't know what we're gonna look like

3197
03:49:24,780 --> 03:49:26,300
or what our water sources are gonna be.

3198
03:49:26,960 --> 03:49:28,200
In the next planning cycle,

3199
03:49:28,340 --> 03:49:30,180
maybe we'll be ready for 4.0 FAR.

3200
03:49:30,940 --> 03:49:32,540
Those are my reasons and I'm really sorry,

3201
03:49:32,620 --> 03:49:34,560
like I said for losing track of that

3202
03:49:34,560 --> 03:49:36,660
and I know means meant to undermine

3203
03:49:37,180 --> 03:49:38,560
the recommendation of my planning commission.

3204
03:49:45,380 --> 03:49:57,160
I do want to be able to do the things that we're set out to do, and if this does, that's

3205
03:49:57,160 --> 03:49:57,480
fine.

3206
03:49:57,940 --> 03:50:07,340
But it also will give the community a sense that we're not trying to grow as fast as

3207
03:50:07,340 --> 03:50:14,340
We've been accused of you know, we're we're not we don't need to jump to this level at this time

3208
03:50:15,360 --> 03:50:17,620
So I will support it

3209
03:50:17,620 --> 03:50:24,280
Remember comes women elson. Yeah, I agree with the council member fontra Johnson and and Schneider. I of course would

3210
03:50:24,280 --> 03:50:28,260
Love to see lower F. A. R. But I I welcome

3211
03:50:29,240 --> 03:50:34,660
Lowering it from where where three or four which I think is quite high. So I'm supportive. Thank you

3212
03:50:34,660 --> 03:50:36,000
ma'am or walkie

3213
03:50:36,980 --> 03:50:42,080
Thank you, Deputy Mayor. I did not watch the meeting, but my presumption is that they

3214
03:50:42,080 --> 03:50:47,660
were using this as a caretn tool that might be up to that level. And like I said at the

3215
03:50:47,660 --> 03:50:50,620
other meeting, just because you plan something doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be

3216
03:50:50,620 --> 03:50:55,240
there. But what our problem here is that we're trying to demonstrate to the state

3217
03:50:55,240 --> 03:50:59,340
that we're trying to find ways and use every tool possible to try to create as

3218
03:50:59,340 --> 03:51:04,540
much affordable housing as we can. And perhaps this can do that, and we can demonstrate

3219
03:51:04,540 --> 03:51:09,740
that they can. Doesn't certainly mean it does. And so I'm going to follow the lead, but I

3220
03:51:09,740 --> 03:51:16,040
do believe that the more care that you have, and it could be appealing to someone, if someone

3221
03:51:16,040 --> 03:51:19,440
really comes forward and meets, again, all of the requirements that we require through

3222
03:51:19,440 --> 03:51:26,680
the code, then it could be tiny units. They could be a bunch of studios. I'm not, I

3223
03:51:26,680 --> 03:51:31,880
don't know how it's going to work. But I just want to know what the Planning Commission

3224
03:51:31,880 --> 03:51:36,920
views were, I wasn't there. So I want to hear what their arguments were, pro and con.

3225
03:51:40,470 --> 03:51:47,070
Council Member Matthews? Yeah, so I think I'm trying to remember the conversation, but I feel like it was around safe,

3226
03:51:47,310 --> 03:51:51,270
around high school and safe way. If I'm trying, if I'm remembering correctly,

3227
03:51:51,830 --> 03:51:58,950
Commissioner Dynas bringing up that. So, but I can appreciate the fast for community and slow.

3228
03:51:59,850 --> 03:52:04,150
that resonates slow, we're walk slow walking it,

3229
03:52:04,210 --> 03:52:05,410
it's late, I can't talk anymore.

3230
03:52:07,010 --> 03:52:11,350
I can appreciate that and I can also appreciate

3231
03:52:12,450 --> 03:52:17,590
that we are trying to achieve affordable housing

3232
03:52:17,590 --> 03:52:18,550
for our community.

3233
03:52:19,610 --> 03:52:23,510
But I think 2.5, I think I sent this to council,

3234
03:52:24,830 --> 03:52:27,290
Charlie Winslow sent back when we were discussing

3235
03:52:27,290 --> 03:52:36,350
that last week. The 2.5 was adequate for the current needs. So I will hostage support.

3236
03:52:37,130 --> 03:52:41,750
And I didn't want to bring him up because I want to throw the poor guy under the bus for just

3237
03:52:41,750 --> 03:52:44,930
making a comment to us. But yes, thank you. That was also my mind.

3238
03:52:45,890 --> 03:52:49,630
Council Member Lant. I was hoping we were going to call the question real quick. But

3239
03:52:49,630 --> 03:52:54,890
I just wanted to also just input that I do believe this discussion really did revolve

3240
03:52:54,890 --> 03:53:00,090
all around what other levers did they have to pull at the Planning Commission.

3241
03:53:00,710 --> 03:53:05,030
And they were looking at a marriage of levers plus this.

3242
03:53:05,490 --> 03:53:09,870
So having one without the other is a wild rogue monster.

3243
03:53:10,650 --> 03:53:15,030
And I would think that while we're doing our homework for commerce, we just need to

3244
03:53:15,030 --> 03:53:15,650
do our homework.

3245
03:53:15,810 --> 03:53:21,830
We don't need to give away the, you know, until we do this again in a couple more

3246
03:53:21,830 --> 03:53:22,150
years.

3247
03:53:22,150 --> 03:53:28,630
but I would rather slow walk it forward and do just what we have to do if we're

3248
03:53:28,630 --> 03:53:32,510
not having the levers attached to the FAR so okay

3249
03:53:35,070 --> 03:53:35,990
so we're going to call the

3250
03:53:35,990 --> 03:53:43,670
question all those in favor I opposed motion carries unanimously you have

3251
03:53:43,670 --> 03:53:53,970
another motion I have another motion okay let's find it okay and just I'm

3252
03:53:53,970 --> 03:53:56,810
I'm thinking about Council Member Lance's last comment.

3253
03:53:57,470 --> 03:54:01,110
The comprehensive plan update process

3254
03:54:01,110 --> 03:54:03,090
is starting again for the one we are.

3255
03:54:03,530 --> 03:54:06,350
So we are just getting ours in and the,

3256
03:54:07,350 --> 03:54:09,750
yeah, exactly, so there's that.

3257
03:54:10,350 --> 03:54:15,250
Okay, this is directly from the letter

3258
03:54:15,250 --> 03:54:18,890
that we got yesterday and let me try to find,

3259
03:54:20,950 --> 03:54:22,670
so I'll give the motion and then I'll find out.

3260
03:54:22,670 --> 03:54:38,930
So my motion is I move to request the race equity advisory committee convene a subcommittee to work with city staff and the city's equity officer to identify local policies or regulations which may contribute to racially disparate disparate impacts displacement or exclusion in housing per commerce guidance.

3261
03:54:39,130 --> 03:54:51,930
The city should complete an evaluation of existing comprehensive plan policies and goals and examine whether previous policies contribute to RDI exclusion or displacement contribute to harmful narratives or biases about marginalized communities.

3262
03:54:52,670 --> 03:54:58,810
And then to document completion of this document the city must document how it reviewed its policies and regulations of

3263
03:54:59,330 --> 03:55:03,390
racially disparate impacts displacement and exclusion in the housing element and its findings

3264
03:55:03,390 --> 03:55:07,470
Commerce recommends the city include the policy review in an appendix

3265
03:55:08,030 --> 03:55:16,770
Evaluate policy chapter 3 evaluate policies and guidance to address racially disparate impacts disparate impacts for detailed guidance on completing a

3266
03:55:16,770 --> 03:55:21,770
policy evaluation. The city may choose to use an evaluation matrix like the one included

3267
03:55:21,770 --> 03:55:27,010
as an example in that chapter. This was just something in the letter that we had not done

3268
03:55:27,010 --> 03:55:31,130
that we had to do that. I feel like we have a committee who could help with that. We keep

3269
03:55:31,130 --> 03:55:36,810
talking about Sammamish and as part of the growth management policy board, I got to

3270
03:55:36,810 --> 03:55:41,830
review Sammamish's comp plan and one of the things that stood out their plan highlights

3271
03:55:41,830 --> 03:55:46,390
was plan includes the city's first economic development element and detailed historical

3272
03:55:46,390 --> 03:55:53,350
and data overview of racially disparate and disparate impacts is that a motion

3273
03:55:53,350 --> 03:56:05,310
oh the motion was the beginning part okay okay the motion was really out really

3274
03:56:05,310 --> 03:56:09,870
short I'm sorry the motion I moved to request the race equity advisory

3275
03:56:09,870 --> 03:56:12,950
committee convene a subcommittee to work with city staff and the city's

3276
03:56:12,950 --> 03:56:16,030
equity officer to identify local policies or regulations

3277
03:56:16,030 --> 03:56:19,550
which may contribute to racially disparate impacts, RDI,

3278
03:56:20,070 --> 03:56:22,070
displacement, or exclusion in housing.

3279
03:56:22,470 --> 03:56:24,430
Per commerce guidance, the city should complete

3280
03:56:24,430 --> 03:56:27,250
an evaluation of existing comprehensive plan policies

3281
03:56:27,250 --> 03:56:30,350
and goals and examine whether previous policies

3282
03:56:31,050 --> 03:56:32,970
contribute to RDI exclusion or displacement

3283
03:56:32,970 --> 03:56:35,290
or contribute to harmful narratives or biases

3284
03:56:35,290 --> 03:56:36,630
about marginalized communities.

3285
03:56:37,030 --> 03:56:39,590
Okay, second, and that's a lot there.

3286
03:56:39,590 --> 03:56:46,090
you may want to just as a friendly amendment or at least a discussion to make a

3287
03:56:46,090 --> 03:56:53,270
brief or move that we follow through with the recommendations from the the State

3288
03:56:53,270 --> 03:56:57,450
Department of Commerce that recommends how we address the issues of DEI etc.

3289
03:56:58,130 --> 03:57:01,950
and just use that you know and there's a language or whatever it is paid you

3290
03:57:01,950 --> 03:57:07,030
know to pay two point or whatever you can cite the 10A or wherever the

3291
03:57:07,030 --> 03:57:12,230
finding is or it's usually called a finding or changes needed you know you

3292
03:57:12,230 --> 03:57:18,450
might just that'd be just my friendly deal because it's quite long yeah okay

3293
03:57:18,450 --> 03:57:20,090
something like that line I'm

3294
03:57:23,260 --> 03:57:26,460
trying to assist the motion discussion yeah I'm

3295
03:57:26,460 --> 03:57:32,700
okay with the motion the way it is it's long we'll figure it out I don't know I

3296
03:57:32,700 --> 03:57:39,440
just I think we could move on and and somebody seconded it the second time

3297
03:57:43,180 --> 03:57:47,420
I agree with the mayor I think it could be streamlined and I'm a little bit

3298
03:57:47,420 --> 03:57:51,660
worried about the timing of it of getting a subcommittee why not just ask

3299
03:57:51,660 --> 03:57:59,160
for a recommendation from the committee itself but you know in sort of the

3300
03:57:59,160 --> 03:58:03,160
spirit of it I understand. So on those lines I mean that's actually so my

3301
03:58:03,160 --> 03:58:07,700
biggest concern like if we have is making sure the motion allows the

3302
03:58:08,220 --> 03:58:11,400
or whoever needs to, it could be the equity officer,

3303
03:58:12,180 --> 03:58:13,440
somebody needs to be able to say,

3304
03:58:13,480 --> 03:58:14,940
okay, this is so much time we have,

3305
03:58:15,640 --> 03:58:17,040
and this is how we're gonna do it.

3306
03:58:17,220 --> 03:58:18,560
And for one thing, she's probably,

3307
03:58:18,820 --> 03:58:20,080
this may be sort of the sort of thing

3308
03:58:20,080 --> 03:58:22,520
that she's particularly skilled at doing,

3309
03:58:22,920 --> 03:58:24,800
and so helping walk through.

3310
03:58:24,900 --> 03:58:27,400
So if she thinks it's a full committee thing,

3311
03:58:27,480 --> 03:58:28,560
if she thinks it's a subcommittee,

3312
03:58:29,280 --> 03:58:30,540
are we worried about that at all?

3313
03:58:30,600 --> 03:58:32,920
Just about timing to make sure we get the product done.

3314
03:58:33,680 --> 03:58:35,340
Is there, do you, I don't know if anyone thinks.

3315
03:58:35,340 --> 03:58:37,160
It doesn't need to be a, I'm not picky,

3316
03:58:37,400 --> 03:58:41,100
just something with our race equity advisory committee

3317
03:58:41,100 --> 03:58:45,120
getting to address question 2E in the letter we got yesterday.

3318
03:58:45,140 --> 03:58:48,360
So maybe if we're just providing additional verbal guidance,

3319
03:58:48,600 --> 03:58:51,100
feedback for the city manager that we're understanding

3320
03:58:51,100 --> 03:58:54,700
that the equity officer herself may like,

3321
03:58:55,380 --> 03:58:57,080
figure that, you know, talk to planning,

3322
03:58:57,500 --> 03:59:00,280
figure out whatever, if it looks a little bit different,

3323
03:59:00,520 --> 03:59:01,500
like it was in the subcommittee,

3324
03:59:02,040 --> 03:59:04,920
we want React involved and we want to get this done.

3325
03:59:07,200 --> 03:59:11,540
Thank you, Deputy Mayor. So, just as simple, you know, I'd send it to the

3326
03:59:11,540 --> 03:59:18,040
Vice-Secretary of the Committee and our equity officer and address the issues that were stated

3327
03:59:18,040 --> 03:59:21,460
in the letter from the Department of Commerce on page whatever.

3328
03:59:21,520 --> 03:59:22,520
2E, section 2E.

3329
03:59:23,720 --> 03:59:23,920
Page 10.

3330
03:59:23,920 --> 03:59:25,840
Does that work for the motion-maker?

3331
03:59:28,590 --> 03:59:29,630
So, we're mending it to that?

3332
03:59:29,970 --> 03:59:30,210
Sure.

3333
03:59:30,330 --> 03:59:30,410
Yeah.

3334
03:59:30,830 --> 03:59:30,950
Okay.

3335
03:59:31,310 --> 03:59:32,010
Someone second?

3336
03:59:32,330 --> 03:59:32,770
Second.

3337
03:59:33,430 --> 03:59:35,910
Okay. Are we ready? All those in favor?

3338
03:59:40,550 --> 03:59:52,010
I have one last motion which pulls together some of these other motions. We'll see okay, so I'll just state it and hopefully get the right

3339
03:59:52,010 --> 03:59:59,870
I moved it to direct the city manager to direct the planning department staff to add the following to a new capacity analysis to be submitted to commerce

3340
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:05,000
And a form that includes a table identifying housing capacity each income level. That's their

3341
04:00:05,000 --> 04:00:10,520
guidance. The increased capacity available, number one, the increased capacity available

3342
04:00:10,520 --> 04:00:16,600
from a category of bonus parcels, similar to that category used by the city of Sammamish

3343
04:00:16,600 --> 04:00:21,540
to include all buildable public publicly owned parcels and those owned by religious

3344
04:00:21,540 --> 04:00:27,020
organizations. Two, the increased capacity available from the affordable housing overlay

3345
04:00:27,020 --> 04:00:32,200
described in the previous motion that did pass and all other affordable housing

3346
04:00:32,200 --> 04:00:36,660
bonuses in the existing BIMC and currently proposed by motion of the

3347
04:00:36,660 --> 04:00:40,980
Planning Commission and a funding gap analysis and plan for addressing that

3348
04:00:40,980 --> 04:00:45,000
gap which was what was addressed in that previous motion. So the only new

3349
04:00:45,000 --> 04:00:53,140
thing here, I gotta wait for a second. Okay, so the only new thing here

3350
04:00:53,140 --> 04:00:57,500
really is the bonus parcels which I'd like to address because the table

3351
04:00:57,500 --> 04:01:00,480
identifying the housing capacity each income level is something we always

3352
04:01:00,480 --> 04:01:04,340
should have done and now we're being told exactly we should do and hopefully

3353
04:01:04,340 --> 04:01:07,660
people are okay that we're saying take that work we just talked about doing and

3354
04:01:07,660 --> 04:01:13,600
throw that into the capacity analysis for commerce because they all inform it

3355
04:01:14,120 --> 04:01:18,780
but here is a description from Sammamish of what that what I'm talking about

3356
04:01:18,780 --> 04:01:21,940
and this has been talked about again we got to keep giving credit where it's

3357
04:01:21,940 --> 04:01:25,200
do with the planning commission. It's been talked about the planning commission. Should

3358
04:01:25,200 --> 04:01:30,140
we be looking at, we know we're looking at hopefully some city land. How much of our

3359
04:01:30,140 --> 04:01:36,060
city land are we asking to be looked at? How much other public land that isn't actually

3360
04:01:36,060 --> 04:01:43,640
our jurisdiction? Sammamish did do that and their plan passed. And also religious properties,

3361
04:01:44,000 --> 04:01:50,740
which we, of course, created an ordinance for. And so in Sammamish's housing strategy

3362
04:01:50,740 --> 04:01:56,640
in their adopted and approved plan, they had three major strategies, and one of those three

3363
04:01:56,640 --> 04:02:01,640
major strategies was this inclusion of bonus parcels, and they were able to come up with

3364
04:02:01,640 --> 04:02:06,540
a nice sizeable amount of capacity there. That's the background. Their definition of

3365
04:02:06,540 --> 04:02:11,580
bonus parcels is, well, this is what they said about bonus parcels. This strategy leverages

3366
04:02:11,580 --> 04:02:15,960
substantial amounts of public and religious land that primarily exists in low-density

3367
04:02:15,960 --> 04:02:20,640
residential zones across the city. Density bonuses will be provided in exchange for

3368
04:02:20,640 --> 04:02:24,840
the construction of extremely low and low-income housing on vacant or underutilized lots owned

3369
04:02:24,840 --> 04:02:32,000
by the city, King County, Sammamish Plateau Water or religious institutions. In many circumstances,

3370
04:02:32,280 --> 04:02:37,500
surplus land can be used for affordable housing while retaining existing structures. That's

3371
04:02:37,500 --> 04:02:42,800
how they did it. It's something that we all are hoping is going to happen. The school

3372
04:02:42,800 --> 04:02:46,560
district has been talking about it and that's my motion.

3373
04:02:46,560 --> 04:02:53,780
Thank you, Deputy Mayor. That was the next question. Because we do have other public entities,

3374
04:02:54,300 --> 04:03:00,020
the school district, fire district, library district. They can also off on this. And I

3375
04:03:00,720 --> 04:03:06,540
appreciate, and this is, has this been approved and it's been in sync with commerce? Okay.

3376
04:03:07,520 --> 04:03:12,680
Good. Because I like the Latin line that says primarily exists in low density residential

3377
04:03:12,680 --> 04:03:17,600
central zones. That's where we get the trap. That's where we can't, you know, people say,

3378
04:03:17,620 --> 04:03:24,080
that's going to happen. But if we have this kind of tool that gives a public owned property

3379
04:03:24,080 --> 04:03:28,980
and religious organizations that happen to be in a residential zone area, but now we

3380
04:03:28,980 --> 04:03:33,240
have opportunity for more affordable housing, I think it's a great idea.

3381
04:03:35,890 --> 04:03:37,770
Council Member Nelson and then Land.

3382
04:03:37,770 --> 04:03:44,890
I think just, I'm very supportive of this, and it overlaps with mine that just asked

3383
04:03:44,890 --> 04:03:49,730
for revised capacity analysis, but it's so much more in depth and really, I think the

3384
04:03:49,730 --> 04:03:55,890
point is it gets in the capacity analysis, the publicly owned parcels, in addition

3385
04:03:55,890 --> 04:04:00,650
to, you know, the sort of up zoning for projects that are 100% affordable, which

3386
04:04:00,650 --> 04:04:04,890
I think was really not in the land capacity analysis, which is why it showed a deficit,

3387
04:04:05,250 --> 04:04:05,430
right?

3388
04:04:07,770 --> 04:04:12,870
What I'm wondering is, would you be willing to strike number three, because I feel that

3389
04:04:12,870 --> 04:04:18,010
that was addressed in a previous motion, and I'm not quite sure, maybe you can explain

3390
04:04:18,490 --> 04:04:21,990
with the funding gap analysis and plan for addressing the gap.

3391
04:04:22,110 --> 04:04:25,750
How does that, what's the interplay with that in a land capacity analysis?

3392
04:04:26,030 --> 04:04:26,910
I'm trying to understand that.

3393
04:04:26,910 --> 04:04:29,770
Because our land capacity analysis, oh, I'm sorry.

3394
04:04:31,490 --> 04:04:36,370
Because what we know is that somehow, this is going to be, you know, on all of our

3395
04:04:36,370 --> 04:04:41,570
pay grades, but when we're directing this land capacity analysis to be done, it's

3396
04:04:41,570 --> 04:04:45,130
going to be a more complex one than we've had done previously. It's one of the

3397
04:04:45,130 --> 04:04:47,930
things that was great about having this simple up zone, just up zone. I mean,

3398
04:04:47,990 --> 04:04:52,970
it's like, now we, I'm assuming, we're talking about a deeper level and a more

3399
04:04:52,970 --> 04:04:57,650
complex process of figuring out what the uptake is going to be, right? So we

3400
04:04:57,650 --> 04:05:01,910
We create a bonus prop, we create this capacity out there in Winslow.

3401
04:05:02,850 --> 04:05:09,830
We say these are the bonus, you know, these are the, this is, we're moving, we're moving

3402
04:05:09,830 --> 04:05:15,090
barriers by allowing more of FAR and by allowing more height, we've got a bunch of things

3403
04:05:15,090 --> 04:05:16,650
going on the, in the comp plan.

3404
04:05:17,450 --> 04:05:21,850
And now we've got to be able to say that because 80% and below, this is the crux

3405
04:05:21,850 --> 04:05:26,470
of everything, will only be built by public and nonprofit funds coming, you know,

3406
04:05:26,470 --> 04:05:33,990
together or separately. It's integral to the capacity analysis. It must be. And I'm happy

3407
04:05:33,990 --> 04:05:38,310
to be told otherwise. Someone come back and tell me. But this is the point, is we need

3408
04:05:38,310 --> 04:05:44,590
to be, for someone to be able to come up with an algorithm or whatever, a formula that

3409
04:05:44,590 --> 04:05:49,030
says when you've got this kind of thing and this, you're going to have to have credible

3410
04:05:49,030 --> 04:05:54,070
funding. So to me, they're all necessary. So all the things we worked on today

3411
04:05:54,070 --> 04:05:57,510
and all the stuff the planning commission's been doing and everything comes together in

3412
04:05:57,510 --> 04:06:05,750
a different and fuller capacity analysis that addresses these things we've talked about

3413
04:06:05,750 --> 04:06:09,850
and frankly things that the planning commission before we talked tonight to keep giving them

3414
04:06:09,850 --> 04:06:11,790
credit would have wanted in the capacity analysis.

3415
04:06:12,190 --> 04:06:16,730
And I that's very helpful. Can I say one other thing which is just is it possible

3416
04:06:16,730 --> 04:06:22,930
to have it say a funding gap analysis and a plan for attempting to address that gap

3417
04:06:22,930 --> 04:06:27,050
because I think the way it's written, it's saying we're going to address that gap and

3418
04:06:27,050 --> 04:06:27,950
I don't think that we can.

3419
04:06:27,990 --> 04:06:32,350
And I got that pretty much, I believe, from guidance from Mercer Island or something that

3420
04:06:32,350 --> 04:06:35,790
is supposed to address the gap, which is really weird and I'm not sure how that's all going

3421
04:06:35,790 --> 04:06:36,290
to work out.

3422
04:06:36,610 --> 04:06:40,670
But I think it would just be saying the gap in local funding.

3423
04:06:40,810 --> 04:06:41,430
It's addressing.

3424
04:06:41,790 --> 04:06:44,590
I guess the point is addressing, I guess another way to put it, is addressing the

3425
04:06:44,590 --> 04:06:51,430
gap can be that we are going to be taking these steps to explore X and Y or to try

3426
04:06:51,430 --> 04:06:56,730
So for example, if we say we're going to try to pass a bond or we don't know we're going to be able to do it anyway

3427
04:06:56,730 --> 04:07:01,650
We're going to seek it. So I think it's accurate. We can't make it happen

3428
04:07:01,650 --> 04:07:06,390
We cannot like any other jurisdiction. We cannot come up with 90 million dollars

3429
04:07:06,830 --> 04:07:09,950
We're going to do the best we can. Yeah, that's my that's my point

3430
04:07:09,950 --> 04:07:12,830
But that's very helpful and I'm supportive on that basis. Thank you

3431
04:07:15,250 --> 04:07:15,650
Okay

3432
04:07:17,650 --> 04:07:22,110
I just want to know if some of this language came from the letter are we

3433
04:07:22,110 --> 04:07:26,650
addressing anything in the letter from commerce with this you know that I wrote

3434
04:07:26,650 --> 04:07:30,950
this none of this is the part that's specifically from the letter actually the

3435
04:07:30,950 --> 04:07:35,230
top is in a form that includes a table addressing the housing capacity each

3436
04:07:35,230 --> 04:07:39,350
level but good point I'm glad you mentioned that because to me we could

3437
04:07:39,350 --> 04:07:42,950
have a friendly amendment that said what I think is just a given which is a

3438
04:07:42,950 --> 04:07:49,010
direction for everything else that we've been directed to do we want to do so

3439
04:07:49,010 --> 04:07:53,150
we've hit on a couple individual things but of course whatever we've been told

3440
04:07:53,150 --> 04:07:55,790
you need to go do this and this if we're being told we're gonna do it we're

3441
04:07:55,790 --> 04:08:01,610
gonna go do it so I guess I assume that that's or maybe it's a separate motion

3442
04:08:01,610 --> 04:08:07,490
or maybe it's just simply obvious guidance if I may I think it's a

3443
04:08:07,490 --> 04:08:11,870
a separate motion, you know, just just to for to councilmember

3444
04:08:11,870 --> 04:08:15,410
Fentall Johnson's point and that was something I started out the whole

3445
04:08:15,410 --> 04:08:18,790
meeting, make sure all of these address something that we're supposed to address

3446
04:08:18,790 --> 04:08:25,070
and it falls under analysis one GMA housing planning goal and it says changes

3447
04:08:25,070 --> 04:08:30,250
needed to fully address the housing goal of RCW, etc etc and quote plan for

3448
04:08:30,250 --> 04:08:34,390
and accommodate for housing affordable on economic segments on quote we have

3449
04:08:34,390 --> 04:08:36,870
determined at the city of Bainbridge Island we need to complete the

3450
04:08:36,870 --> 04:08:41,470
actions noted in sections 2D and blah blah and this helps meet that. It's another

3451
04:08:41,470 --> 04:08:47,270
tool to help meet those goals. I also think we still should have an overarching

3452
04:08:47,270 --> 04:08:52,990
motion that captures everything that we're supposed to be doing. Councilor

3453
04:08:52,990 --> 04:08:59,810
Landt? And mine was just going to be a quick observation that the land that

3454
04:08:59,810 --> 04:09:04,670
we're talking about is everywhere just like earlier today when K-PUD was

3455
04:09:04,670 --> 04:09:07,490
talking about their conversations with Park District.

3456
04:09:08,230 --> 04:09:10,030
Was anybody here just a little surprised

3457
04:09:10,030 --> 04:09:12,550
that there was possibly a partnership happening

3458
04:09:13,110 --> 04:09:16,290
outside of us in that with our utilities?

3459
04:09:16,990 --> 04:09:20,310
So this housing can happen anywhere

3460
04:09:20,310 --> 04:09:23,630
and we should make sure that all of our motions

3461
04:09:23,630 --> 04:09:25,670
or the planning commission's recommendations

3462
04:09:25,670 --> 04:09:28,890
reflect everywhere, whenever possible.

3463
04:09:29,770 --> 04:09:31,690
And I actually wanna identify that this,

3464
04:09:31,850 --> 04:09:33,970
that just only now reading this through

3465
04:09:33,970 --> 04:09:38,710
and talking about it I realize there's a gap in here that might need to get

3466
04:09:38,710 --> 04:09:44,630
addressed and that is we do have we do have city land out in the you know

3467
04:09:44,630 --> 04:09:50,970
open space residential what a recall in the outside Winslow area and we don't

3468
04:09:50,970 --> 04:09:54,950
have any meaning public lands and we don't have any special ordinances for

3469
04:09:54,950 --> 04:09:58,050
that and that's something that we might maybe we need some feedback from

3470
04:09:59,130 --> 04:10:04,470
planning commission on so our religious properties ordinance will apply where

3471
04:10:04,470 --> 04:10:08,430
they are so just think about that whether it's now whether we need to do it

3472
04:10:08,430 --> 04:10:11,510
now in this update because we're not gonna because it would help us get just

3473
04:10:11,510 --> 04:10:18,390
across the finish line or it's something that we ultimately need to do we

3474
04:10:18,390 --> 04:10:22,830
write I mean so anyway I'm not adding that here now but I'm just pointing it

3475
04:10:22,830 --> 04:10:24,110
Now, are we ready to call the question?

3476
04:10:24,750 --> 04:10:25,870
Okay, all those in favor?

3477
04:10:26,470 --> 04:10:26,910
Aye.

3478
04:10:27,570 --> 04:10:27,930
Opposed?

3479
04:10:28,870 --> 04:10:29,930
Motion passes unanimously.

3480
04:10:31,450 --> 04:10:33,310
Great, now did we wanna talk at all

3481
04:10:33,310 --> 04:10:34,330
about the Council Member,

3482
04:10:34,670 --> 04:10:36,110
of Andrew Johnson's request?

3483
04:10:36,330 --> 04:10:37,990
Oh, did you want to make the motion?

3484
04:10:38,810 --> 04:10:40,370
I was writing a motion to do it.

3485
04:10:40,470 --> 04:10:41,710
Oh, okay, go ahead.

3486
04:10:44,830 --> 04:10:47,610
So, I moved to direct the Interim City Manager

3487
04:10:47,610 --> 04:10:50,110
to work with the Planning Commission and City staff

3488
04:10:50,110 --> 04:10:51,750
to include in the preferred alternative

3489
04:10:51,750 --> 04:10:54,550
of changes to address the deficiencies noted

3490
04:10:54,550 --> 04:10:55,810
by the Department of Commerce

3491
04:10:55,810 --> 04:10:59,170
in its letter dated April 20th, 2026.

3492
04:10:59,310 --> 04:10:59,570
Second.

3493
04:11:00,450 --> 04:11:01,670
Okay, any discussion?

3494
04:11:03,330 --> 04:11:05,630
And I just want to be clear,

3495
04:11:05,730 --> 04:11:07,970
because I think for the public's sake,

3496
04:11:08,190 --> 04:11:09,230
I feel a little confused,

3497
04:11:09,370 --> 04:11:10,690
I have to say by some of the quotes

3498
04:11:10,690 --> 04:11:12,210
from the letter earlier tonight,

3499
04:11:12,450 --> 04:11:15,410
that we're quite out of compliance.

3500
04:11:16,350 --> 04:11:18,110
I just think we need to say that,

3501
04:11:18,190 --> 04:11:19,330
otherwise we don't think we would have been doing

3502
04:11:19,330 --> 04:11:21,130
all this, so I don't know

3503
04:11:21,130 --> 04:11:22,630
whether we should quote from any of it,

3504
04:11:22,930 --> 04:11:25,690
like however we have found the city's housing element

3505
04:11:25,690 --> 04:11:27,750
does not plan for and accommodate housing affordable

3506
04:11:27,750 --> 04:11:29,710
to all economic segments of the population

3507
04:11:29,710 --> 04:11:30,950
because it does not clearly demonstrate

3508
04:11:30,950 --> 04:11:32,770
how the city's identified such capacity.

3509
04:11:33,470 --> 04:11:34,550
And it talks about, you know,

3510
04:11:35,050 --> 04:11:37,590
like commerce has found the city's housing element

3511
04:11:37,590 --> 04:11:39,510
includes no mention of sufficient capacity

3512
04:11:39,510 --> 04:11:40,870
for housing needs at all income levels.

3513
04:11:41,150 --> 04:11:42,950
So anyway, I just, my point is,

3514
04:11:43,190 --> 04:11:46,090
it feels odd that we're, are we, are we not?

3515
04:11:46,210 --> 04:11:47,750
We did not get good news from commerce.

3516
04:11:47,950 --> 04:11:48,410
It's my point.

3517
04:11:48,950 --> 04:11:49,770
Okay, I just want to be clear

3518
04:11:49,770 --> 04:11:51,210
because we didn't really get into that.

3519
04:11:51,590 --> 04:11:53,170
That is why this is really important.

3520
04:11:53,410 --> 04:11:53,870
So thank you.

3521
04:11:54,250 --> 04:11:55,030
Any for the discussion?

3522
04:11:55,990 --> 04:11:56,450
Councilor Matz?

3523
04:11:56,470 --> 04:11:56,590
No.

3524
04:11:56,790 --> 04:11:57,470
Oh no, okay.

3525
04:11:57,910 --> 04:11:58,630
All those in favor?

3526
04:11:59,430 --> 04:11:59,650
Aye.

3527
04:11:59,890 --> 04:12:00,190
Opposed?

3528
04:12:00,850 --> 04:12:01,790
Motion carries unanimously.

3529
04:12:02,370 --> 04:12:02,710
Great.

3530
04:12:04,530 --> 04:12:06,550
Basically promising we're gonna try to do

3531
04:12:06,550 --> 04:12:08,450
the best of our homework is what we're gonna do.

3532
04:12:09,610 --> 04:12:11,070
Okay, so yeah.

3533
04:12:11,630 --> 04:12:14,170
I wonder if I can just summarize a little bit

3534
04:12:14,170 --> 04:12:16,210
and maybe reflect back what I heard.

3535
04:12:16,490 --> 04:12:17,950
There were a number of motions

3536
04:12:18,590 --> 04:12:23,770
pass today, some of which we got in advance and I think the city clerk and I will work

3537
04:12:23,770 --> 04:12:30,350
carefully to go through those. Many of these represent a significant amount of staff work

3538
04:12:31,090 --> 04:12:37,710
and some of them include due dates which I need to reflect on and develop a strategy

3539
04:12:37,710 --> 04:12:44,610
to achieve. We may need to obtain outside consultant help to achieve some of these

3540
04:12:44,610 --> 04:12:49,590
and it may not be possible to report back fully on some of these by May 12th.

3541
04:12:50,090 --> 04:12:55,650
Also, we talked a little bit or I heard you mention including some of these in the preferred alternative.

3542
04:12:56,270 --> 04:13:00,050
The Planning Commission is actively considering their preferred alternative right now

3543
04:13:00,050 --> 04:13:04,970
and so we won't be able to provide significant staff work to them before Thursday,

3544
04:13:05,030 --> 04:13:07,430
for example, with a packet that's already been published.

3545
04:13:07,990 --> 04:13:10,670
So I appreciate the conversation.

3546
04:13:10,670 --> 04:13:16,350
I think we discussed a lot of topics today, but staff will need a little bit of time to reflect back to you

3547
04:13:16,350 --> 04:13:18,250
what we're able to do and

3548
04:13:18,750 --> 04:13:25,490
Excuse me and in what timing so that you can have that that information for your discussions going forward. Could could I

3549
04:13:26,050 --> 04:13:30,670
I'm gonna attempt to speak on what I would hope we think and let's just see

3550
04:13:31,170 --> 04:13:35,490
My thought would be I think I think we only use one date and again

3551
04:13:35,490 --> 04:13:39,030
I think we can receive feedback on that date if that's just not viable

3552
04:13:39,030 --> 04:13:40,390
but yet we can still comply.

3553
04:13:41,450 --> 04:13:43,210
And so I would think across the board,

3554
04:13:44,050 --> 04:13:46,270
we're looking, I think that our direction is

3555
04:13:46,270 --> 04:13:48,610
we need to move as fast as we need to move

3556
04:13:48,610 --> 04:13:52,950
as we are able to move to key in to the process

3557
04:13:52,950 --> 04:13:55,650
we're required to adapt to all parts,

3558
04:13:55,710 --> 04:13:59,470
including the timing of and the noticing, et cetera,

3559
04:13:59,910 --> 04:14:03,590
of public hearings and commerce and growth management.

3560
04:14:05,170 --> 04:14:07,250
I believe, I would like to say,

3561
04:14:07,250 --> 04:14:11,850
say, we are understanding there will be additional costs, there will be trade-offs, and we want

3562
04:14:11,850 --> 04:14:16,810
to take those on, and we need your guidance in helping us step back if we have to, but

3563
04:14:16,810 --> 04:14:17,910
only as much as we have to.

3564
04:14:20,160 --> 04:14:20,740
That sound right?

3565
04:14:21,120 --> 04:14:21,320
Yeah.

3566
04:14:21,480 --> 04:14:22,040
Thank you for that.

3567
04:14:22,180 --> 04:14:26,560
And I think I don't yet know what kind of additional costs I would be looking at, right?

3568
04:14:26,680 --> 04:14:31,800
And when we would need to issue an RFP, for example, or when it will be something

3569
04:14:31,800 --> 04:14:34,300
that we can do with existing consulting resources.

3570
04:14:34,300 --> 04:14:40,340
So we will of course work to comply with the Commerce Letter for the Housing Accountability Act.

3571
04:14:40,740 --> 04:14:47,240
We just got it yesterday, so we too are still figuring out exactly what it means and how we're going to comply with that.

3572
04:14:47,500 --> 04:14:52,840
And in defense of the Council and the Planning Commission, and no offence meant at all to the City Manager,

3573
04:14:54,340 --> 04:14:59,980
a lot of the direction that came back in that letter was what we've known for 15 years.

3574
04:15:09,920 --> 04:15:21,880
Council is just asking for anything more than we have to do. What order are we in?

3575
04:15:21,980 --> 04:15:25,280
I think it was Councilor Nelson, then Councilmember Matthews, then Councilmember Land.

3576
04:15:27,000 --> 04:15:30,380
I'm just going to offer a comment which is that I do think we have to move on. I was

3577
04:15:30,400 --> 04:15:35,100
We, as a body, should talk about whether the June 30th deadline makes sense.

3578
04:15:35,240 --> 04:15:40,380
Moving forward, and I had requested something on this, because the letter says the jurisdiction

3579
04:15:40,380 --> 04:15:45,380
will remain out of compliance until it amends its housing element and or development regulations

3580
04:15:45,380 --> 04:15:49,980
to be consistent with the requirements of the statute and commerce issues a decision

3581
04:15:49,980 --> 04:15:50,660
of compliance.

3582
04:15:51,160 --> 04:15:56,800
So even if we stick to June 30th and we get it done by June 30th, we're no longer

3583
04:15:56,800 --> 04:15:59,260
in a world where it's assumed compliant.

3584
04:15:59,260 --> 04:16:03,980
We're now in a world where it is not compliant until commerce says it is compliant.

3585
04:16:04,440 --> 04:16:11,360
So we're not going to, the June 30th deadline to get the, to get the grants, that's gone,

3586
04:16:11,840 --> 04:16:12,460
is my point.

3587
04:16:12,620 --> 04:16:17,780
And at this point, it's August 18th is the deadline when commerce wants us, I'm just

3588
04:16:17,780 --> 04:16:18,480
going to put that out there.

3589
04:16:18,620 --> 04:16:22,180
Let's raise issues now, knowing that we won't probably have all the information

3590
04:16:22,180 --> 04:16:26,960
we need and we're basically providing additional guidance to the administration that what

3591
04:16:26,960 --> 04:16:28,660
what we need to talk about ASAP.

3592
04:16:29,540 --> 04:16:31,060
Council Member Matthews.

3593
04:16:31,280 --> 04:16:35,120
So my last thing is just wanting to give Planning Commission

3594
04:16:35,120 --> 04:16:36,300
some direction for Thursday.

3595
04:16:36,600 --> 04:16:38,120
We're still on that same thing.

3596
04:16:39,160 --> 04:16:43,660
So I was going to amend my motion a little bit

3597
04:16:43,660 --> 04:16:45,500
or change my motion, change it

3598
04:16:46,980 --> 04:16:50,780
to proceed with their three,

3599
04:16:52,340 --> 04:16:56,400
now I lost it, with Planning Commission's,

3600
04:16:56,400 --> 04:17:00,020
Okay, there's this 4-6.

3601
04:17:03,260 --> 04:17:11,900
I moved to proceed with the 4-6 Planning Commissions 4-6 chart, hold on,

3602
04:17:14,160 --> 04:17:18,380
4-6 chart with Planning

3603
04:17:18,380 --> 04:17:28,560
Commissions, sorry, my brain, with the analysis turned in, which was not turned in, reflecting

3604
04:17:28,560 --> 04:17:39,920
planning commission's 4-6 analysis that showed the negative 4-20 deficit of 420 units to allow

3605
04:17:39,920 --> 04:17:50,540
planning commission to work from that and suggest ways to make up that deficit. So to make it

3606
04:17:50,540 --> 04:18:01,920
shorter to go back to planning commission, say use your 4-6 chart and try to come up

3607
04:18:01,920 --> 04:18:06,560
with 420 units or maybe just not even give them a number because of the other.

3608
04:18:10,220 --> 04:18:11,220
I second that.

3609
04:18:12,220 --> 04:18:13,100
Can I talk to it?

3610
04:18:14,100 --> 04:18:20,720
So it sounds like to me what you're saying is that okay, the information that was

3611
04:18:20,720 --> 04:18:25,300
turned in wasn't the planning commission's information that they wanted to be turned

3612
04:18:25,300 --> 04:18:34,700
in. So allow them to go back to that information and use that information going forward. I

3613
04:18:34,700 --> 04:18:35,300
support that.

3614
04:18:36,400 --> 04:18:41,420
And the concern is, but you've, but the councilor Matthews has added and they need

3615
04:18:41,420 --> 04:18:42,660
to add 4 and 20 units.

3616
04:18:42,980 --> 04:18:43,420
We didn't take that off.

3617
04:18:43,760 --> 04:18:44,020
Oh.

3618
04:18:44,440 --> 04:18:45,940
Yeah, I took it off. I just said.

3619
04:18:46,400 --> 04:18:46,640
No.

3620
04:18:46,900 --> 04:18:48,980
I said no, like I said 4 and then I said no.

3621
04:18:49,160 --> 04:18:49,380
Okay.

3622
04:18:49,380 --> 04:18:52,920
Whatever they if you're saying they can go back to there. I'm trying to remember if it's four six

3623
04:18:52,920 --> 04:18:55,340
They're original as opposed to the one by staff

3624
04:18:55,840 --> 04:19:01,380
Then I'm happy to support that if we're moving because I don't think they can find the four hundred twenty. It's that way. So yeah

3625
04:19:03,800 --> 04:19:10,080
Councilor Nelson so is so is this essentially the motion I have made where it goes back to the point five

3626
04:19:12,360 --> 04:19:20,560
No, it's different from what you said, because that was what I had said was to not have an

3627
04:19:20,560 --> 04:19:20,800
increase.

3628
04:19:21,060 --> 04:19:25,220
That was to go back to what planning commission had originally recommended, which was the four

3629
04:19:25,220 --> 04:19:31,100
six column base FAR in Ferry at point five, high school FAR at point three, right?

3630
04:19:33,660 --> 04:19:39,860
I'm saying go back to that and use that as where they are starting, they are working from

3631
04:19:39,860 --> 04:19:48,640
and I'm not saying get 420, but get us to a compliant, get us to something we can turn

3632
04:19:48,640 --> 04:19:49,200
in from there.

3633
04:19:49,540 --> 04:19:53,580
Well, and that was the intent of my original motion too, was just to go back to what Planning

3634
04:19:53,580 --> 04:19:55,280
Commission had done and then go from there.

3635
04:19:56,060 --> 04:19:58,800
I think we're saying the same thing.

3636
04:19:58,800 --> 04:20:03,120
I think we're just saying it differently. Okay. Well, I'm supportive then. Yeah, I'm supportive

3637
04:20:03,940 --> 04:20:05,200
Any further discussion?

3638
04:20:06,780 --> 04:20:12,040
Council Member, Council Member Vandere does what you still, did you still want it your own? Okay, Council Member Schneider?

3639
04:20:14,080 --> 04:20:14,600
I

3640
04:20:16,020 --> 04:20:21,640
Don't know what this solves. I do kind of get it that out of all the things we've done tonight

3641
04:20:21,640 --> 04:20:28,280
It's maybe not clear guidance for what Planning Commission can work on and they have a published agenda of whatever whatever

3642
04:20:28,280 --> 04:20:35,360
So I'll support whatever. I just want to say that I don't clearly get it.

3643
04:20:38,040 --> 04:20:44,780
They're looking for an answer. So they've had this question posed to us now for three or four weeks.

3644
04:20:45,080 --> 04:20:47,660
Just give us an answer of which one.

3645
04:20:48,120 --> 04:20:51,660
I know. And I guess, I mean, I heard all that. I kind of understand all that.

3646
04:20:51,800 --> 04:20:56,240
I just don't know whether is that the highest and best use for planning commission time.

3647
04:20:56,240 --> 04:21:03,260
And it's a couple days from now, so I'm going to support what you shared.

3648
04:21:03,420 --> 04:21:03,620
The mayor?

3649
04:21:05,800 --> 04:21:06,060
Yeah.

3650
04:21:06,480 --> 04:21:07,200
Thank you, Deputy Mayor.

3651
04:21:08,020 --> 04:21:12,280
I just look at this as giving this as a baseline document and work from it and along with all

3652
04:21:12,280 --> 04:21:15,120
the other stuff that we suggested to him just to make it official that way.

3653
04:21:15,500 --> 04:21:16,680
I think it's that really simple.

3654
04:21:18,280 --> 04:21:22,760
I'm going to vote for it because I do want them to go back to their original.

3655
04:21:22,760 --> 04:21:27,220
I just the extra language it sounds like I don't understand the guidance to them

3656
04:21:27,220 --> 04:21:30,220
So I hope it doesn't make them think they have to do anything other than

3657
04:21:30,940 --> 04:21:37,360
What they're already doing which is all the work they're doing is to try to get the units and that's all what we've done tonight

3658
04:21:37,360 --> 04:21:41,660
We're all trying to get the units. So if that's what that means absolutely

3659
04:21:44,000 --> 04:21:46,160
Okay, okay all those in favor

3660
04:21:52,400 --> 04:21:52,840
I

3661
04:21:52,840 --> 04:21:59,380
Did want to point out to the city manager of the motions pass tonight and forgive me if there's any more that I'm missing

3662
04:21:59,380 --> 04:22:06,440
But the two motions that need to get married up to need to be given to the playing Commission in order for this to all work

3663
04:22:06,440 --> 04:22:08,480
Even if it's too late to go in the packet

3664
04:22:09,440 --> 04:22:11,040
That would be that well

3665
04:22:11,040 --> 04:22:14,440
it's actually three now because it's this direction when they meet they're gonna

3666
04:22:14,440 --> 04:22:18,500
want to know the direction that was just passed and then we have said that we

3667
04:22:18,500 --> 04:22:24,740
are asking them to expand 18-12-03-0 that that motion to expand their their

3668
04:22:24,740 --> 04:22:29,920
hundred percent density bonus and we are asking to reduce the bonus FA we're

3669
04:22:29,920 --> 04:22:35,280
just basically directing that the bonus FAR in the Winslow Town Center is the

3670
04:22:35,280 --> 04:22:40,060
maximum most bonuses 2.5 those two motions need to get to married up

3671
04:22:40,060 --> 04:22:43,940
with what's happening at Planning Commission to become part of what's set for public hearing.

3672
04:22:44,540 --> 04:22:45,440
So those are timely.

3673
04:22:47,080 --> 04:22:50,180
Other things are work that needs to be done to figure out the funding.

3674
04:22:50,380 --> 04:22:51,120
We cannot rush it.

3675
04:22:51,140 --> 04:22:54,300
We know we cannot even begin to start those really before Thursday.

3676
04:22:54,620 --> 04:22:54,980
We know that.

3677
04:22:55,440 --> 04:22:56,160
Does that make sense?

3678
04:22:57,840 --> 04:22:58,700
It does make sense.

3679
04:22:58,860 --> 04:23:01,120
I'm trying to figure out how we would communicate that.

3680
04:23:02,400 --> 04:23:05,000
How to get it all done in the next, you know, 24 hours.

3681
04:23:05,980 --> 04:23:09,360
Well, I would say this is what we created that communications option.

3682
04:23:09,360 --> 04:23:15,100
So this isn't I mean this is they can work on the language, but anyway the point is it's like our communications

3683
04:23:15,100 --> 04:23:18,200
I think I'm going to communication to them that this is what came up our meeting and

3684
04:23:19,040 --> 04:23:25,800
Then they can work with it, but I understand staff will want to prepare some probably. Yeah, um, but it's we're stuck

3685
04:23:27,860 --> 04:23:33,160
Yeah, thank you. I think well we'll do what we can to get this to them in the most expedited manner. Thank you

3686
04:23:33,160 --> 04:23:34,660
Okay, okay

3687
04:23:34,660 --> 04:23:35,100
All right.

3688
04:23:36,040 --> 04:23:36,740
Yeah, I'm sorry.

3689
04:23:37,220 --> 04:23:37,760
Mayor Moorlach.

3690
04:23:37,840 --> 04:23:41,640
Just hopefully to wrap up, we realized this was a huge lift.

3691
04:23:43,000 --> 04:23:45,900
We were all surprised to get an email on Monday saying,

3692
04:23:46,120 --> 04:23:47,220
hey, check this out.

3693
04:23:48,120 --> 04:23:50,040
So I mean, I'm sure we all spent a lot of hours.

3694
04:23:50,200 --> 04:23:51,240
And I want to thank all my colleagues.

3695
04:23:51,500 --> 04:23:52,840
Clearly, you all read it.

3696
04:23:52,920 --> 04:23:55,120
And you took care and looked at it

3697
04:23:55,120 --> 04:23:58,900
and realized this is what the roadmap is to follow the law.

3698
04:23:59,420 --> 04:24:01,940
And so I think we tried our best to get there.

3699
04:24:01,940 --> 04:24:06,680
And I know that it is an impossible thing and I want to be respectful to the Planning Commission

3700
04:24:06,680 --> 04:24:12,600
because this is going to be a brand new thing that we've thrown out, but we're just talking

3701
04:24:12,600 --> 04:24:13,380
about advisory committees.

3702
04:24:13,600 --> 04:24:14,260
This is what we do.

3703
04:24:14,400 --> 04:24:16,660
We can send things down and ask them to address it.

3704
04:24:17,160 --> 04:24:18,840
And that's exactly what we're doing right now.

3705
04:24:20,420 --> 04:24:23,760
So I hope they don't hate us.

3706
04:24:26,060 --> 04:24:31,720
But I appreciate, and it goes, and I hope I can speak for all of the folks up here in

3707
04:24:31,720 --> 04:24:38,200
this day, is that Intercity Manager and everybody and planning staff and the rest, we realize

3708
04:24:38,200 --> 04:24:39,580
the lift we're asking you to do.

3709
04:24:39,980 --> 04:24:45,520
And I think we can add that if there are resources that you need, you know, however,

3710
04:24:46,240 --> 04:24:52,200
I believe we'll, whatever, well, almost a blank check, but whatever you need to get

3711
04:24:52,200 --> 04:24:57,300
that done and it gets us to our goal. I think that's, I believe we all would support that.

3712
04:24:57,640 --> 04:24:58,200
So thank you.

3713
04:24:59,520 --> 04:25:05,080
I was just going to ask that we consider releasing our city attorney if he has a ferry to catch

3714
04:25:05,080 --> 04:25:09,160
if we're going to go on any further with committee reports. Just a thought if he wants to go.

3715
04:25:12,130 --> 04:25:15,570
Before I go I just want to make sure there isn't actually any lingering questions or

3716
04:25:15,570 --> 04:25:20,030
concerns or any other items that the council which is direct art to our office that

3717
04:25:20,030 --> 04:25:22,930
we can assist in this large lift.

3718
04:25:22,930 --> 04:25:28,730
I think we're about to move to committee reports, which would be the perfect signal for you if I'm correct. Are we moving to committee reports?

3719
04:25:29,890 --> 04:25:31,950
Yes, okay. Thank you everyone. Thank you

3720
04:25:33,670 --> 04:25:42,830
Okay, council member land right and I just wanted to say just reiterate one more time that maybe we can take a tiny little breath planning commission maybe because

3721
04:25:44,730 --> 04:25:52,850
Pardon me back to the letter we received yesterday they state we have 120 days to respond and so that is well past our

3722
04:25:52,930 --> 04:25:57,250
self-imposed June timeline. So just to reiterate that we have a little bit more

3723
04:25:57,250 --> 04:26:02,450
time not that we should use it to you know like a like a term paper last

3724
04:26:02,450 --> 04:26:05,870
minute but we have a little bit more time. That's all.

3725
04:26:08,090 --> 04:26:08,930
Councilmember Schneider

3726
04:26:08,930 --> 04:26:16,310
are we doing committee reports? I think so. So I want to I want to share some

3727
04:26:16,310 --> 04:26:22,890
good news maybe it's old news now but on Friday I went to the Peninsula

3728
04:26:22,890 --> 04:26:30,470
regional transportation planning organization, PRTPO meeting. It was also a retreat, so it

3729
04:26:30,470 --> 04:26:37,770
was a really long meeting in SQIM. And I learned that the raise grant that provided 16 million

3730
04:26:37,770 --> 04:26:46,730
dollars for the Fort County region and multiple tribes and all that, we had had this horrible

3731
04:26:49,070 --> 04:26:52,670
Trump administration saying that you have to do A, B, and C

3732
04:26:52,670 --> 04:26:53,670
in order to get it.

3733
04:26:53,830 --> 04:26:56,550
And there was no way we were going to do A, B, or C.

3734
04:26:57,350 --> 04:26:59,190
They lifted those dependencies.

3735
04:26:59,750 --> 04:27:04,210
And so we are back to having $16 million for the corridor

3736
04:27:04,210 --> 04:27:08,050
and, I think, $1.7 for Bainbridge Island.

3737
04:27:08,290 --> 04:27:10,190
And we're going to be moving forward with design

3738
04:27:10,190 --> 04:27:12,610
on the Sound 2 Olympics Trail.

3739
04:27:14,050 --> 04:27:14,970
So woo-hoo.

3740
04:27:14,970 --> 04:27:20,570
And then in the PSRC Transportation Policy Board,

3741
04:27:20,930 --> 04:27:22,910
there was also a big milestone there.

3742
04:27:23,170 --> 04:27:26,570
We voted to forward the regional transportation plan

3743
04:27:27,130 --> 04:27:29,910
as a recommendation to the executive board.

3744
04:27:30,050 --> 04:27:32,390
The executive board is planning to forward it

3745
04:27:33,230 --> 04:27:36,490
again to the general meeting

3746
04:27:36,490 --> 04:27:41,150
and it will hopefully be adopted on May 28th

3747
04:27:41,150 --> 04:27:43,930
at the general meeting, which we are all invited to.

3748
04:27:46,990 --> 04:27:48,690
And I'm going to leave it at that.

3749
04:27:49,650 --> 04:27:50,130
Okay.

3750
04:27:51,250 --> 04:27:52,970
Do you guys just want to come down the road?

3751
04:27:53,150 --> 04:27:53,550
Is this okay?

3752
04:27:54,270 --> 04:27:54,750
Council Member Lant.

3753
04:27:54,970 --> 04:27:55,130
Yep.

3754
04:27:55,330 --> 04:27:56,170
I'll be quick too.

3755
04:27:56,350 --> 04:27:59,690
I was at that same meeting with Council Member Schneider,

3756
04:27:59,830 --> 04:28:02,510
and it was very interesting, very informative,

3757
04:28:06,030 --> 04:28:08,670
cooperative, intergovernmental, coordinated transportation

3758
04:28:08,670 --> 04:28:10,690
planning between four counties.

3759
04:28:10,690 --> 04:28:18,390
And Washed Out was there and it was great to see some human faces of Washed Out for a change,

3760
04:28:18,650 --> 04:28:21,310
like just regular people talking about stuff.

3761
04:28:21,730 --> 04:28:22,510
That was terrific.

3762
04:28:23,190 --> 04:28:28,170
And then on Saturday, there was the 23rd Legislative District Town Hall right here

3763
04:28:28,170 --> 04:28:31,290
with Senator Hansen and Representative Simmons and Nance.

3764
04:28:31,830 --> 04:28:33,850
And it was very well attended.

3765
04:28:34,810 --> 04:28:41,450
Council Member Matthews and I moderated lots of great questions, including what our city

3766
04:28:41,450 --> 04:28:47,670
can expect with the new sales and use tax exemptions that are being put in place in

3767
04:28:47,670 --> 04:28:50,610
this upcoming budget cycle with the state.

3768
04:28:51,150 --> 04:28:52,130
So that's it.

3769
04:28:53,070 --> 04:28:53,990
Councillor Nielsen.

3770
04:28:54,250 --> 04:28:57,450
Just real quick, we had a wonderful southward meeting last Saturday.

3771
04:28:57,730 --> 04:28:58,790
Very much enjoyed that.

3772
04:28:58,950 --> 04:28:59,750
Great conversation.

3773
04:28:59,750 --> 04:29:02,650
Actually very good community feedback on that one is what I would say.

3774
04:29:02,650 --> 04:29:04,070
that people really enjoyed it.

3775
04:29:04,730 --> 04:29:08,030
I think my only critique is we should have just made it longer,

3776
04:29:08,670 --> 04:29:11,150
right, because people had so many questions

3777
04:29:11,150 --> 04:29:13,410
and it felt like sometimes we were having to cut people off.

3778
04:29:13,530 --> 04:29:16,390
I know that's, but the only other thing I have

3779
04:29:16,390 --> 04:29:19,510
is I, you know, this Friday I'm gonna be calling bingo

3780
04:29:19,510 --> 04:29:20,830
at the senior center again.

3781
04:29:20,970 --> 04:29:23,250
I do it every Friday of the month, that's it.

3782
04:29:23,970 --> 04:29:26,470
Okay, Council Member Matthews, Deputy Mayor,

3783
04:29:26,830 --> 04:29:27,950
I gotta get to bingo.

3784
04:29:28,430 --> 04:29:30,050
I thought, actually I bet my parents go.

3785
04:29:30,350 --> 04:29:31,170
I gotta ask them.

3786
04:29:31,850 --> 04:29:38,150
So I just wanted to reiterate comments on the ward meetings, our ward meeting, the south

3787
04:29:38,150 --> 04:29:43,050
ward meeting was I thought really well attended, lots of great questions, lots of great engagement

3788
04:29:43,050 --> 04:29:47,070
and really got some feedback from folks that I didn't think you'd get positive feedback

3789
04:29:47,070 --> 04:29:51,930
from of just how appreciative they were of just being heard and even if things might

3790
04:29:51,930 --> 04:29:56,510
have gotten, you know, plucky at times it was just great to have that venue.

3791
04:29:56,510 --> 04:29:59,290
So I think that's really good to council member Nelson.

3792
04:30:01,900 --> 04:30:27,360
We have our coffees the first Saturday of the month at the marketplace at 11.30 to 1. So keep the conversation going. We want to hear from you. So it was great. And then also had the Saturday here with councilmember Lantt and the legislators. And it was a lot of the same people came from the south ward to here. So they did double duty, but always great to see everyone. And thanks for hanging in there with us.

3793
04:30:34,220 --> 04:30:39,580
Thank you so much to this city manager for being at all those word meetings.

3794
04:30:39,860 --> 04:30:41,600
I mean, like me and I didn't go to one of them.

3795
04:30:41,680 --> 04:30:42,240
I went to two.

3796
04:30:42,700 --> 04:30:43,560
She had to go to three.

3797
04:30:43,960 --> 04:30:45,980
And her, it was really appreciate that.

3798
04:30:46,200 --> 04:30:49,600
And then as a parting remark next to it, council member,

3799
04:30:49,840 --> 04:30:50,860
I mean, so there can be less.

3800
04:30:50,960 --> 04:30:52,940
I just want to say, I really appreciate tonight's meeting.

3801
04:30:53,120 --> 04:30:56,420
I'm so impressed with us that we accomplished all of these unanimous motions.

3802
04:30:56,720 --> 04:30:57,340
So I just want to say thank you.

3803
04:30:57,340 --> 04:31:04,100
that. Okay, Mayor. And the ward meeting, Councilmember, I mean Councilmember

3804
04:31:04,100 --> 04:31:09,620
Scheiderer, Central Ward meeting, and he was at large, we met in this chamber. And

3805
04:31:09,620 --> 04:31:13,980
at that meeting, a man from St. Barnabas Episcopal Church came up to me and

3806
04:31:13,980 --> 04:31:18,580
said that they have a project at their building called from the Department

3807
04:31:18,580 --> 04:31:21,940
of Commerce Clean Energy Community Grants Program and funding from the

3808
04:31:21,940 --> 04:31:25,720
Washington Climate Connect and it's basically covering their entire roof

3809
04:31:25,720 --> 04:31:32,520
for solar panels. And so he invited me to come to the ribbon cutting on May 30th to go and

3810
04:31:32,520 --> 04:31:36,560
say a few words. And I asked if I can invite my colleagues to come. And so you will begin

3811
04:31:36,560 --> 04:31:42,300
an invitation soon. I'd love to have you see you there. And I would suspect, Councilmember

3812
04:31:42,300 --> 04:31:47,660
Nelson, that you do the bingo because sometimes you don't need a mic so they can hear you.

3813
04:31:50,760 --> 04:31:55,000
I'm sure they do, and I gotta do that, I love bingo, so I'll be seeing you sometime.

3814
04:31:57,080 --> 04:31:59,320
Alright, I think we are adjourned.