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Recording in

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progress.

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>> Going to order the City

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Council study session for

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Tuesday over 21st 2025. City

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clerk. Would you call the

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roll, please.

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>> Yes. Thank you, Christine

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Brown city clerk. Please state

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for the record. If you're

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present at I call your name

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mayor Matthews present deputy

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mayor quits and PRESIDENT

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Councilmember Dietz present

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councilmember family Johnson

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PRESIDENT Topless PRESIDENT

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Councilmember Milwaukee

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present councilmember

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Schneider, PRESIDENT. Thank

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you.

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>> I'd like to read the

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landing. A beginning with the

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words attributed chief

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Seattle. Every part of this

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oil sacred to in the

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estimation of my people, every

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hillside, every Valley, every

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plan and growth has been

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hollowed by some happy event

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in days long vanished. Begin

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by acknowledging land on which

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we gather is within the

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ancestral territory of the

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stick. Watch people of clear

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salt water squamish people

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expert fisherman builders

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basket weavers Koch live in

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harmony with the lands and

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waterways along Washington

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central Salish sea as they

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have for thousands of years.

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Here. The supply Slive and

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protect the land and waters of

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their ancestors for future

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generations as promised by the

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point. Eliot treaty of 1855.

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We have with deputy city

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attorney that are told city

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manager player King city

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clerk. Other members of staff

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be active in the program.

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Motion to approve the agenda.

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I move to approve tonight's

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study session agendas, prison.

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Second councilmember Dietsch

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motion by Clints Moore

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walking. Are there conflict? A

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conflict of interest. You need

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we vote yes, of course, all

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those in favor. Any opposed.

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Motion is approved for

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approval of the agenda. Any

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conflict of interest tonight.

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Okay. Our first item of

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business. He's a presentation

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related to the ground water

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management plan of our peer

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review. I believe.

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>> This was to go great that

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we're going to have our waters

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for specials. Kristian Berg.

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key that waters who was the

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consultant who prepared to

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peer review of the groundwater

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management plan introduced at

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then be able to channel some

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of the information from them.

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>> She buried the water

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resources specialist here. The

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city tonight we're going to

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talk about groundwater near

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new perspective on the work

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that's been ongoing for about

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5 years. In APRIL Council

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approved a motion to direct

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staff to look for peer

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reviewers for the groundwater

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management plan. And on JULY

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22nd Council received the

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second draft of the plan and

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authorize staff to hire key

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the waters to review the plan

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and write a memo detailing

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their findings. You know,

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waters was recommended by

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spawned a staff member who is

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also on technical advisory

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Committee for the plan. If

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received this memo and we'll

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have a chance to hear from the

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authors and ask questions

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about the process and

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findings. City staff is also

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working keep waters meet with

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the planning Commission on

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OCTOBER 30th and give a

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similar presentation. The

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recommended motion on this

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item is the for the

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groundwater management plan.

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Pierre view to the ground.

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Water management plan,

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subcommittee and technical

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advisor Committee for

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development of next steps and

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plans for public engagement. I

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am pleased to introduce to

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accomplish groundwater experts

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that have joined us tonight

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via zoom. Joel mast man has

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over 30 years of experience as

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a groundwater consultant and

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received his ph d and

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groundwater hydrology from the

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University of British

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Columbia. And Adam s man is an

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environmental engineer, an

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atmospheric scientist and

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holds a phd in environmental

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engineering from Columbia

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University. And with that, I'm

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just kind of handed over to

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them and they have a brief

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presentation and will be

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available for some questions

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afterwards. Thank you.

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>> Good evening and thank you

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for the opportunity to talk

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with about are peer review.

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The draft groundwater

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management plan. As mentioned,

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we've prepared a short

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presentation that's aimed at

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highlighting some of the main

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conclusions and

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recommendations from the

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review with the understanding

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that questions and discussions

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will follow. My name is Jerome

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asman. I'm a principal

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engineer and partner with Cuba

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waters. It's groundwater

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consulting practice that I

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started about 25 years ago.

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practice. I was on the fact

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Lee and the Department of

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civil engineering at

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University of Washington for

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about 10 years. And I've also

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served on the city of Mercer

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Island utility board from 2004

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to 2011. I'm joined by Adam

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and my son and partner in key

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to waters. Next slide. Please.

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being around 10 minutes or so

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and tree preferred options

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which we finished summary of

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conclusions and

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recommendations and then a

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little bit about our rationale

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for going conclusions and rep

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recommendations. Next slide.

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report is about 40 pages long

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and contains some relatively

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detailed discussions related

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to groundwater modeling and

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other technical topics. It

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also includes responses to

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some specific comments and

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questions that the technical

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advisory committee and the

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planning subcommittee prepared

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what we'd like to highlight in

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this evening are a few of the

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higher level conclusions and

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recommendations that are

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included in our reach. You.

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The good and groundwater

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management plan that we

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reviewed includes are ranked

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set of groundwater plan

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actions in some ways these

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actions are are the real focus

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of the report. The 2 actions

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with the highest ranking

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heartening that increasing

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water conservation and

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increasing Brown water

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recharge. We agree that these

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actions warrant the higher

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rankings in large part because

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the improved, the resiliency

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of the system by resiliency

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Remini ability to provide the

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necessary services over a

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variety of climate and

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environmental scenarios. Next

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slide. Please. The available

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water level data and the

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available modeling result do

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not provide definitive

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evidence that current and

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future groundwater withdrawals

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are sustainable or are not

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sustainable. This MAY be an

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unsatisfying conclusion, but

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it's one that Adam and I

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believe is an important point

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to make. One of the main

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reasons there are questions

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about sustainability is due to

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uncertainties and ground water

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recharge rates not only are

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future recharge rates on

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certain routes or current

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rate. Next slide. Want to

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of describing using some

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schematic diagrams, maybe

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cartoons. But the overall

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rationale for for those

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conclusions are. Next slide.

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sustainability is what is the

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water balance over the long

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term. The amount of water that

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these the ground water system,

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what we call the amount that

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enters the system. This figure

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presents a very basic

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description water balance

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that the land surface. Most of

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this recharge is from rainfall

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septic return flow. There's a

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possibility of inflow from

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deep aquifers under Porter

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today. But that doesn't seem

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to be a consensus about how

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significant that might be. So

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we've dash that he wrote a

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show that. Certainly

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groundwater believes that the

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numbers piling through Wells.

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wetlands. And by Florida salt

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water bodies. Next slide.

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Water components that are most

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important and the ones that we

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have the best handle on

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land surface and recharge. And

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if you were to ask for a best

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this. At first glance you

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might conclude that inflow.

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from Wells and slowed the

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surface water. So things are

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uncertainties they're actually

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larger than what the

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differences are. So there are

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scenarios we're outflow might

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under future conditions. And

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it's these uncertainties and

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the relative size of those

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uncertainties compared to how

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close is balances, which

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causes us to make our

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recommendations and to support

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the conclusions in the draft

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groundwater management plan

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about the importance of.

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Conserving water as much as

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possible and increasing

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groundwater recharge as much

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possible. That concludes the

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presentation prepared and like

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to open it up for questions

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and discussions. Thank you.

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>> Thank you both very much

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for being with us. Tonight. I

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want to. Hear from my fellow

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council members their

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questions are there concerns

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so we probe into the pier

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review and the work that lies

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as we refer peer review and

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questions it raises to the

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specialists. Locally. I just

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wanted to make a few comments

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at the outset and then turn to

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my colleagues and I have

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further comments maybe at the

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end of the process in the

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middle if have more to say.

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This has been. A peer eagerly

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waited for and that is what

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been well worth the wait. I

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just think it is excellent

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from start to finish in a

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certain several different ways

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it's very meticulous attention

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to places where phrasing could

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be changed, where little slips

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could attended to in in the.

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The second version of the

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going water management plan.

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Also raises some very big

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questions about assumptions

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made principles followed in

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the the creation of model. So.

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That's that's important. And I

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wanted to comment next In

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conclusion. On one page at the

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very end of the pier review

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commenting a document that

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iPhone.

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>> Very impressive. I think a

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Christian Berg for his

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important role in creation

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creating the summary and

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near-term action. A memo. It

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is 15 page document that I

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think is much more. Valuable.

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Then the executive summary

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that is part of the

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groundwater management plan.

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It carries us forward. In the

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direction of implementation

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and actions that and so I'm

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I'm pleased to waters. The 2

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of you together endorsing this

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and making some very precise

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and useful suggestions for re

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phrasing in a few places. I

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want to see the council. Pay

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attention to this document and

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take action to endorse it.

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Props after some give and take

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with committees that the will

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be reviewing all of our work

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and public engagement process.

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But at some point I think the

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council should be standing up

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and saluting near-term action

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memo and whatever is added to

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it as a result of our review

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of the whole project. My

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colleagues any any comments

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next see topless with the

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light on and needs of.

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>> first of all, I want to say

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that I so thankful for this

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document in this work. I think

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it's when the best pieces of

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work I've received as a

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councilmember. After long

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period of struggling with.

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What was coming to us from

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this work and now hearing

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trying to understand is what I

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would most appreciate from you

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both would be clarifying some

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things I'm trying to wrestle

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with because my first

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reaction. In reading through

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peer review was well, if this

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sounds very critical of a lot

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methodology or the approaches

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taken and warning us about

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what we should be doing. So I

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could be taking that actually

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being too should these could

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be confirmation bias. So I do

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want to check with you on

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that. What I think I want

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understands. I'm trying to

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tease out where a c. You know

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what how much the model

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itself. You MAY feel critical

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of the modeling itself or the

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dwelling on the modeling not

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perhaps moving forward to the

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work of the management part of

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the plan and what you if you

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could distill down what should

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concern us most if anything,

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because these these policy,

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this is a policy decisions

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that are going to come off of

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that are being fed by the are

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so critical test our community

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that we just The Strait is

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talk possible. I think you

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actually do have a very clear

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document. And but again, I

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worry confirmation bias

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because some of the statements

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put so many quotes out of here

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of your comments that suggests

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to me that again, we kind of

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still don't have a plan, which

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is what we've been waiting for

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and so it can tell us. Do we

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have the modeling and the data

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and we can move from there. Do

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we need to worry about

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modeling. Before we could go

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to planning. So those are

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really can some broad

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questions. And I would like to

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reserve the building come back

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and ask more specific

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questions about specific

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comments you've made but I

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hope that's clear. What I'm

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asking for. Some direct

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guidance to those of us were

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policymakers who MAY have been

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hoping that at some point we

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can actually achieve a balance

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water and if we're somehow

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going to be forced to not

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achieved that that we at least

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are making targeted decisions.

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And acceptable, a drawl read

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>> Let me start off with

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Respond to that. And I'll ask

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them chime in as well. As far

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as the groundwater model goes,

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we try to provide some

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constructive. Criticisms like

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gas about the modeling work

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that's been Some of it. Was

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handed down to the consultant.

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You've been working with. It

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wasn't their decision to make.

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And. And so that's part of

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that and Criticism or some of

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difficulties with that model.

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Kind of influences our

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recommendations about you

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know, moving forward with

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doing what you can do about

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what you and what you know is

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that if you conserve more

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water and you if you can

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increase the recharge, you're

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going to be better off You

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know, I I don't know that I

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would spend a whole lot more

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money and effort on modeling

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at this Because of those

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uncertainties as we say in the

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report, there are inherent,

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you know no matter how much

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modeling you do they still

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going to be lots of

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uncertainties and you probably

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still won't know whether your

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current and future production

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is going to be sustainable or

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not. The best thing to do in

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my estimation is to continue

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the monitoring that you've

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been doing maybe beef it up.

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If you can do what you can to

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control both inflow and

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outflow from that system.

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Adam, you have any thoughts

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you'd like to share.

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>> No. Yeah, I would agree

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with all that. The other piece

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of dad in addition to the. You

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know, groundwater modeling

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there in these inherent

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uncertainties. You know, one

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option would be you could

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explore with those

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uncertainties are with more

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modeling. It cetera. And you

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know, we provide some ideas

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about that. But again, I would

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second what tools saying of

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MAY be moving on from the

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modeling work because that is

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extremely resource intensive

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to to really try to put

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together a comprehensive

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modeling plan. This bans all

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the uncertainties in the

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present and the future is very

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resource intensive and because

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this is inherent the bounds

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might not be shrunk enough

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even after you do on that to

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be actionable from a

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management standpoint and so

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focusing on the monitoring and

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the conservation I think would

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be a likely better use of

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resources.

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>> Thank you. Deputy mayor.

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Thank you, Adam and let you

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identify father son. But

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that's just a coincidence that

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have the same names, but no

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thank you for the report. I

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read it great interest in. I'm

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not sure if I'm duplicating

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Council topple says minds

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more. MAY be straight forward

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that.

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>> There's uncertainty,

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whether our water use is

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sustainable or on sustainable

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and. Is it your conclusions?

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Is there anything perhaps in

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the big, you know, is there

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anything we could have day

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one. Let's just say when we

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started this to have come to a

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different with more certainty

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or when you mentioned the

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inherent nature.

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>> Is that common with these

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reports. I this is the only

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one I've ever looked at and

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that's Bainbridge Island. So

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my point being is, is this

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usual to have an inherent

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uncertainty or is or do we

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stand out in some manner.

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>> Yeah. I think all models

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have lots of uncertainty. That

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here and uncertainties and is

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not unique to babers I think

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is a little bit you need is is

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if you look at those numbers

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about the amount of

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groundwater withdrawal you

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have. And compare it to past

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months about the amount of

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recharge you have. You're kind

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getting up there a little bit.

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I mean, a lot of systems

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there. You know, maybe 5% or

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something like that. You know,

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so there's more wiggle room in

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there. So those inherent

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uncertainties are quite is

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important as you start to get

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closer together terms of that

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water You know, as your

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withdrawal start job. You

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know, 30%, of what do you

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recharge is then the

581
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uncertainties become more

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important. More questions

583
00:26:59,372 --> 00:27:00,720
later.

584
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:00,706
>> Mary Matthews and then no

585
00:27:00,706 --> 00:27:03,706
because a number of entry

586
00:27:04,543 --> 00:27:05,243
Johnson.

587
00:27:05,243 --> 00:27:06,612
>> Thanks deputy where I just

588
00:27:06,612 --> 00:27:08,790
wanted to thank you both for

589
00:27:08,790 --> 00:27:10,750
this peer review and the

590
00:27:10,750 --> 00:27:13,750
written report to even a

591
00:27:14,587 --> 00:27:15,320
layperson like myself was so I

592
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:15,955
just double and redouble and I

593
00:27:15,955 --> 00:27:18,955
think I get where you're

594
00:27:20,626 --> 00:27:24,226
going. But have a couple what

595
00:27:26,499 --> 00:27:29,535
do you think should be our

596
00:27:29,535 --> 00:27:30,236
first step in dealing with

597
00:27:30,236 --> 00:27:32,739
Should we for say, ok, let's

598
00:27:32,739 --> 00:27:36,339
immediately go to and then are

599
00:27:37,477 --> 00:27:39,877
you familiar with the.

600
00:27:40,679 --> 00:27:42,648
>> Campbell water. Treatment

601
00:27:42,648 --> 00:27:43,316
facility any of the keep

602
00:27:43,316 --> 00:27:44,160
things they're doing in the

603
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:44,683
water didn't work. And do you

604
00:27:44,683 --> 00:27:45,385
think those are some things

605
00:27:45,385 --> 00:27:48,985
should start to look at here.

606
00:27:57,463 --> 00:27:59,463
It.

607
00:27:59,698 --> 00:28:00,466
>> I think it's possible that

608
00:28:00,466 --> 00:28:02,866
Dole MAY having Internet

609
00:28:03,536 --> 00:28:05,936
connectivity yeah, these are

610
00:28:09,142 --> 00:28:12,780
great you know, I I think what

611
00:28:12,780 --> 00:28:15,915
to do next I think would be.

612
00:28:15,915 --> 00:28:16,583
Focus on conservation. And you

613
00:28:16,583 --> 00:28:18,284
know, 1 one place to maybe

614
00:28:18,284 --> 00:28:21,870
start is to, you know, in the

615
00:28:21,870 --> 00:28:22,255
groundwater management plan

616
00:28:22,255 --> 00:28:24,190
theirs a table that documents

617
00:28:24,190 --> 00:28:25,358
what different water systems

618
00:28:25,358 --> 00:28:27,927
are using what water and

619
00:28:27,927 --> 00:28:29,295
there's a large range of

620
00:28:29,295 --> 00:28:31,695
variability there so, you

621
00:28:31,798 --> 00:28:34,340
know, potential low hanging

622
00:28:34,340 --> 00:28:34,701
fruit is to say, ok, systems

623
00:28:34,701 --> 00:28:36,236
30's and very little water.

624
00:28:36,236 --> 00:28:36,870
What are they doing and it's

625
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:39,870
great. And you know, the

626
00:28:39,973 --> 00:28:40,340
systems that are using a lot

627
00:28:40,340 --> 00:28:42,309
of water.

628
00:28:42,309 --> 00:28:43,420
>> Where's I want to go where

629
00:28:43,420 --> 00:28:43,710
the summit water and you know,

630
00:28:43,710 --> 00:28:46,546
if it's possible bring this

631
00:28:46,546 --> 00:28:47,914
high water use and systems

632
00:28:47,914 --> 00:28:49,616
down to to the lower water use

633
00:28:49,616 --> 00:28:50,683
and systems. You can increase

634
00:28:50,683 --> 00:28:51,884
the resilience of the system

635
00:28:51,884 --> 00:28:52,552
right there. And you know,

636
00:28:52,552 --> 00:28:55,552
having those data on those

637
00:28:55,789 --> 00:28:56,456
systems are using the water.

638
00:28:56,456 --> 00:28:57,900
You know, it's it's things

639
00:28:57,900 --> 00:29:00,900
that we know are feasible

640
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,530
because they're being done And

641
00:29:03,530 --> 00:29:04,970
it's that so I'm not familiar

642
00:29:04,970 --> 00:29:04,698
with this poor gamble

643
00:29:04,698 --> 00:29:07,980
facility. I am somewhat

644
00:29:09,770 --> 00:29:11,400
familiar with Cape water

645
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:11,705
systems just much as it was

646
00:29:11,705 --> 00:29:13,573
presented in the groundwater

647
00:29:13,573 --> 00:29:15,573
management

648
00:29:18,745 --> 00:29:19,446
>> and there, I mean.

649
00:29:19,446 --> 00:29:20,790
>> What was in the report is

650
00:29:20,790 --> 00:29:21,815
one thing to be concerned

651
00:29:21,815 --> 00:29:24,718
about is it seems like kp you

652
00:29:24,718 --> 00:29:28,318
be some of their recent work

653
00:29:28,689 --> 00:29:29,856
has pretty large increases in

654
00:29:29,856 --> 00:29:31,859
production you know, getting

655
00:29:31,859 --> 00:29:33,694
back to these figures we've

656
00:29:33,694 --> 00:29:35,729
been talking about, about how

657
00:29:35,729 --> 00:29:36,830
close the margins are between

658
00:29:36,830 --> 00:29:39,799
the water withdrawals in the

659
00:29:39,799 --> 00:29:40,534
recharge. You know, refilling

660
00:29:40,534 --> 00:29:42,870
the system and then you factor

661
00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:45,270
in the uncertainties around

662
00:29:45,639 --> 00:29:48,639
that that having such an

663
00:29:49,576 --> 00:29:50,844
aggressive assume growth in

664
00:29:50,844 --> 00:29:52,780
production for their systems

665
00:29:52,780 --> 00:29:55,249
could create issues for the

666
00:29:55,249 --> 00:29:55,916
city of Denver, John system

667
00:29:55,916 --> 00:29:56,583
also from the permit exempt

668
00:29:56,583 --> 00:29:59,583
well, users that, you know,

669
00:30:00,540 --> 00:30:00,788
the live on the island.

670
00:30:00,788 --> 00:30:03,788
>> really helpful. Our. And so

671
00:30:04,291 --> 00:30:07,940
since the u probably deal with

672
00:30:07,940 --> 00:30:07,995
other municipalities in

673
00:30:07,995 --> 00:30:09,730
jurisdictions do other peer

674
00:30:09,730 --> 00:30:12,730
reviews. Are there any really

675
00:30:14,635 --> 00:30:15,336
innovative.

676
00:30:15,336 --> 00:30:16,690
>> Things that, you know, we

677
00:30:16,690 --> 00:30:17,137
don't have to be written here.

678
00:30:17,137 --> 00:30:18,472
You know, I have no trouble

679
00:30:18,472 --> 00:30:19,573
copying other folks. If it's

680
00:30:19,573 --> 00:30:20,808
something that works really

681
00:30:20,808 --> 00:30:21,509
well. So is there something

682
00:30:21,509 --> 00:30:25,109
that you think you see other

683
00:30:28,150 --> 00:30:28,682
places that we could be doing.

684
00:30:28,682 --> 00:30:31,682
>> think sorry, but I keep

685
00:30:33,788 --> 00:30:35,788
item

686
00:30:40,127 --> 00:30:43,130
>> I think do little for none

687
00:30:43,130 --> 00:30:44,632
that I have a familiar with

688
00:30:44,632 --> 00:30:45,332
directly. But I do know one

689
00:30:45,332 --> 00:30:47,732
potentially very measure that

690
00:30:52,500 --> 00:30:54,842
can be taken. You know, a ban

691
00:30:54,842 --> 00:30:56,177
on outdoor water extreme

692
00:30:56,177 --> 00:30:59,177
situations. I mean, that can

693
00:31:03,751 --> 00:31:04,385
really a decrease consumptive

694
00:31:04,385 --> 00:31:07,385
>> Over Charlotte in a It

695
00:31:08,556 --> 00:31:10,956
outdoor water any water

696
00:31:12,593 --> 00:31:15,593
gardens any anything like And

697
00:31:15,663 --> 00:31:16,263
especially for homes septic

698
00:31:16,263 --> 00:31:17,698
systems ok, then you're

699
00:31:17,698 --> 00:31:19,700
consumptive water use goes way

700
00:31:19,700 --> 00:31:21,569
down because most of the

701
00:31:21,569 --> 00:31:22,637
indoor water use is running

702
00:31:22,637 --> 00:31:24,105
through the septic system and

703
00:31:24,105 --> 00:31:25,606
eventually ends up going back

704
00:31:25,606 --> 00:31:27,742
to the ground. Water system as

705
00:31:27,742 --> 00:31:28,442
recharge. And so as long as

706
00:31:28,442 --> 00:31:29,143
the septic systems are

707
00:31:29,143 --> 00:31:31,543
functioning and treating the

708
00:31:32,647 --> 00:31:34,716
water. Well, then you.

709
00:31:34,716 --> 00:31:35,383
>> Whatever they water quality

710
00:31:35,383 --> 00:31:36,830
issues in the opera for and

711
00:31:36,830 --> 00:31:39,454
you'll be really well in the

712
00:31:39,454 --> 00:31:41,222
water. One of the but I would

713
00:31:41,222 --> 00:31:43,291
say that I mean, that a very

714
00:31:43,291 --> 00:31:45,691
extreme extreme measure for,

715
00:31:46,261 --> 00:31:48,396
you know, emergency so fun.

716
00:31:48,396 --> 00:31:49,597
Fact is that the bridge

717
00:31:49,597 --> 00:31:53,197
islands, the South and to be

718
00:31:54,469 --> 00:31:56,603
in Island uses the most water

719
00:31:56,603 --> 00:31:57,272
in Cape can And so we have

720
00:31:57,272 --> 00:32:00,272
Houston. We have a problem.

721
00:32:01,276 --> 00:32:01,943
Thank you,

722
00:32:01,943 --> 00:32:04,343
>> Council member found Roy

723
00:32:04,746 --> 00:32:05,413
Johnson and councilmember

724
00:32:05,413 --> 00:32:06,114
Schneider. Thank you. Just

725
00:32:06,114 --> 00:32:09,714
want to thank you for giving

726
00:32:10,818 --> 00:32:12,120
us this report.

727
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,720
>> But I guess I have some

728
00:32:17,459 --> 00:32:18,920
questions the modeling and the

729
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,492
conclusions well, kind of

730
00:32:22,597 --> 00:32:22,864
conclusions that you you come

731
00:32:22,864 --> 00:32:24,732
to.

732
00:32:24,732 --> 00:32:26,400
>> I guess I wanted to know

733
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:27,102
for us for for what we've been

734
00:32:27,102 --> 00:32:29,337
doing and the data that we've

735
00:32:29,337 --> 00:32:30,400
collected in this modeling.

736
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:31,605
>> It sounds like to leave

737
00:32:31,605 --> 00:32:34,605
from your report that that

738
00:32:37,145 --> 00:32:39,281
kind of hindered. The outcome

739
00:32:39,281 --> 00:32:40,615
of what you found. It's like

740
00:32:40,615 --> 00:32:42,717
maybe we shouldn't have been

741
00:32:42,717 --> 00:32:46,317
spending so much time on the

742
00:32:47,722 --> 00:32:48,390
because it seems to me that

743
00:32:48,390 --> 00:32:49,910
we've we've come out to the

744
00:32:49,910 --> 00:32:52,910
conclusion that what we need

745
00:32:52,227 --> 00:32:52,928
to do is be more conservative.

746
00:32:52,928 --> 00:32:55,928
Without water. It would seems

747
00:32:58,233 --> 00:33:03,330
like. A It seems to me that I

748
00:33:03,372 --> 00:33:04,372
guess I'm wondering. The no

749
00:33:04,372 --> 00:33:05,730
way that we need to go with

750
00:33:05,730 --> 00:33:07,473
our decision-making. And what

751
00:33:11,790 --> 00:33:11,913
you found out from doing this

752
00:33:11,913 --> 00:33:12,581
peer review. If whether the

753
00:33:12,581 --> 00:33:14,650
many uncertainties that you

754
00:33:14,650 --> 00:33:17,650
found were. Was it a

755
00:33:18,754 --> 00:33:20,754
collective of. What's

756
00:33:21,156 --> 00:33:23,556
happening with global warming

757
00:33:25,270 --> 00:33:25,761
conservation and the modeling

758
00:33:25,761 --> 00:33:29,961
or could we should not self in

759
00:33:30,666 --> 00:33:31,433
the foot here trying data when

760
00:33:31,433 --> 00:33:31,966
you know the outcome is well,

761
00:33:31,966 --> 00:33:34,966
we need to be more

762
00:33:37,873 --> 00:33:38,806
conservative in.

763
00:33:38,806 --> 00:33:39,508
>> Yeah. I don't know if I'd

764
00:33:39,508 --> 00:33:41,110
use I'm sorry, I keep getting

765
00:33:41,110 --> 00:33:44,110
dropped off. Yeah, went back

766
00:33:46,148 --> 00:33:47,816
on for good now I know he's

767
00:33:47,816 --> 00:33:48,851
shooting yourself in the foot.

768
00:33:48,851 --> 00:33:49,551
So much there's definitely,

769
00:33:49,551 --> 00:33:52,551
you know, that tradeoff that

770
00:33:53,289 --> 00:33:53,955
you're talking about You know,

771
00:33:53,955 --> 00:33:54,623
whether it whether to spend

772
00:33:54,623 --> 00:33:57,623
more money on modeling make

773
00:33:59,561 --> 00:34:00,829
sense for not and. I think

774
00:34:00,829 --> 00:34:01,530
what Adam mentioned before as

775
00:34:01,530 --> 00:34:05,130
you know, maybe try did spend

776
00:34:05,534 --> 00:34:06,201
a little more effort trying

777
00:34:06,201 --> 00:34:06,869
know what you don't know in

778
00:34:06,869 --> 00:34:08,904
terms of the modeling work,

779
00:34:08,904 --> 00:34:09,605
you know, don't spend so much

780
00:34:09,605 --> 00:34:13,205
time trying to get the right

781
00:34:13,641 --> 00:34:14,343
answer. But use them, the kind

782
00:34:14,343 --> 00:34:15,430
of more, you know, simply to

783
00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:18,430
bracket what what the answer

784
00:34:21,383 --> 00:34:22,284
might be. As we say in the

785
00:34:22,284 --> 00:34:24,420
report, you know, the biggest

786
00:34:24,420 --> 00:34:25,955
bang for your buck is going to

787
00:34:25,955 --> 00:34:26,622
be for doing what you can do

788
00:34:26,622 --> 00:34:29,220
conserve water and increase

789
00:34:29,959 --> 00:34:30,326
recharge and no amount of

790
00:34:30,326 --> 00:34:31,694
modeling.

791
00:34:31,694 --> 00:34:34,694
>> It's going to change So

792
00:34:36,866 --> 00:34:39,335
follow Yeah. There's really no

793
00:34:39,335 --> 00:34:42,935
way for us to quantify you

794
00:34:46,241 --> 00:34:47,843
know, the of our water.

795
00:34:47,843 --> 00:34:48,510
>> And the next steps is

796
00:34:48,510 --> 00:34:51,480
probably to engage in some

797
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,820
sort of project.

798
00:34:53,820 --> 00:34:56,820
>> To the residents on the

799
00:34:58,387 --> 00:35:00,787
island conserve more water.

800
00:35:04,827 --> 00:35:05,527
>> I would agree with with

801
00:35:05,527 --> 00:35:07,162
Yes. Yeah. Other thing I just

802
00:35:07,162 --> 00:35:07,963
add about the modeling I think

803
00:35:07,963 --> 00:35:10,363
hindsight 2020 and you know,

804
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,835
so we have the benefit looking

805
00:35:12,835 --> 00:35:13,502
backwards and you know, what's

806
00:35:13,502 --> 00:35:14,771
the you know, usefulness of

807
00:35:14,771 --> 00:35:15,872
the you know,

808
00:35:15,872 --> 00:35:18,272
>> How much is the

809
00:35:19,876 --> 00:35:21,678
uncertainty. But. So things

810
00:35:21,678 --> 00:35:22,312
MAY look different. Looking

811
00:35:22,312 --> 00:35:23,713
backwards. But, you know,

812
00:35:23,713 --> 00:35:24,380
these numbers that we had in

813
00:35:24,380 --> 00:35:27,380
our sliding pulled out this

814
00:35:28,510 --> 00:35:30,119
came out of the model and, you

815
00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:31,955
know, even just understanding

816
00:35:31,955 --> 00:35:34,858
that how close these numbers

817
00:35:34,858 --> 00:35:35,825
are and knowing what we know

818
00:35:35,825 --> 00:35:37,160
kinda independently about the

819
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:38,694
uncertainty and knowing that

820
00:35:38,694 --> 00:35:42,980
this a system that could be

821
00:35:42,980 --> 00:35:45,698
kind of close to. Its limits.

822
00:35:47,300 --> 00:35:47,737
It could not be, but it could

823
00:35:47,737 --> 00:35:49,172
be. I think that can be can be

824
00:35:49,172 --> 00:35:51,975
nice because it does, you

825
00:35:51,975 --> 00:35:53,760
know, motivate this

826
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:54,100
conservation approach. And we

827
00:35:54,100 --> 00:35:55,110
know that now, you know,

828
00:35:55,110 --> 00:35:55,745
looking backwards that, you

829
00:35:55,745 --> 00:35:56,446
know, might might have been as

830
00:35:56,446 --> 00:35:59,480
clear, you know, before this

831
00:35:59,480 --> 00:35:59,749
all began.

832
00:35:59,749 --> 00:36:00,483
>> Right. And I think that's

833
00:36:00,483 --> 00:36:03,850
the main point. It could be or

834
00:36:03,850 --> 00:36:04,821
it could right. And when we

835
00:36:04,821 --> 00:36:08,421
look at the numbers, it looks

836
00:36:09,125 --> 00:36:09,725
like everything's fine, but we

837
00:36:09,725 --> 00:36:12,125
don't know that because

838
00:36:12,362 --> 00:36:13,960
there's other uncertainties

839
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,365
that we will. We will never be

840
00:36:16,365 --> 00:36:17,660
able to model all of the

841
00:36:17,660 --> 00:36:20,660
uncertainties, I guess is the

842
00:36:21,738 --> 00:36:22,472
point I wanted to make.

843
00:36:22,472 --> 00:36:25,472
>> Snyder and then Council are

844
00:36:28,712 --> 00:36:29,379
walking.

845
00:36:29,379 --> 00:36:30,614
>> Thank you. Deputy mayor,

846
00:36:30,614 --> 00:36:32,382
then probably follow a little

847
00:36:32,382 --> 00:36:33,216
bit of similar threat here.

848
00:36:33,216 --> 00:36:36,816
Thank you both very much for

849
00:36:38,121 --> 00:36:40,230
coming back. I know that, you

850
00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:40,857
know, this has been edited

851
00:36:40,857 --> 00:36:41,691
groundwater in general. In the

852
00:36:41,691 --> 00:36:44,995
end, this plan has been a huge

853
00:36:44,995 --> 00:36:45,728
issue for our community and

854
00:36:45,728 --> 00:36:49,328
and primarily. Is it an issue

855
00:36:52,769 --> 00:36:53,770
of trust. I would think. So. I

856
00:36:53,770 --> 00:36:54,603
guess I have 2 points. One is,

857
00:36:54,603 --> 00:36:55,271
you know that you were saying

858
00:36:55,271 --> 00:36:56,173
you might want to focus on

859
00:36:56,173 --> 00:36:59,173
knowing what you don't know

860
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,248
with that. Include more

861
00:37:05,248 --> 00:37:07,248
monitoring, more Wells

862
00:37:07,517 --> 00:37:08,585
bringing more sort Wells in

863
00:37:08,585 --> 00:37:11,585
the private sector you into

864
00:37:13,557 --> 00:37:15,192
our supply of data, which I

865
00:37:15,192 --> 00:37:17,961
think was what was told to us

866
00:37:17,961 --> 00:37:21,561
quite a while ago by our

867
00:37:21,798 --> 00:37:22,432
public works director that we

868
00:37:22,432 --> 00:37:24,234
really probably should be

869
00:37:24,234 --> 00:37:26,634
amping up. The number

870
00:37:29,506 --> 00:37:30,240
monitors. Well monitoring. So

871
00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:31,508
does that fall in the category

872
00:37:31,508 --> 00:37:33,310
of end. Maybe, maybe not

873
00:37:33,310 --> 00:37:34,478
because that, you know, that

874
00:37:34,478 --> 00:37:37,114
sort of falls in the spending

875
00:37:37,114 --> 00:37:40,584
a lot of money modeling or is

876
00:37:40,584 --> 00:37:43,554
it still a valuable. Tool to

877
00:37:43,554 --> 00:37:45,954
do more monitoring without

878
00:37:49,693 --> 00:37:50,661
dumping a lot more. Of our

879
00:37:50,661 --> 00:37:51,328
resources into modeling. So

880
00:37:51,328 --> 00:37:52,796
that's question number one.

881
00:37:52,796 --> 00:37:55,796
And then question number 2 is

882
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:57,166
if the recommendations come

883
00:37:57,166 --> 00:38:00,166
out as you know, conservation

884
00:38:05,376 --> 00:38:06,810
and increasing. Recharge. What

885
00:38:06,810 --> 00:38:08,445
I think that, you know, the

886
00:38:08,445 --> 00:38:09,280
elephant in the room for our

887
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:10,647
community is what does that

888
00:38:10,647 --> 00:38:13,647
mean about our plans for

889
00:38:17,870 --> 00:38:17,722
growth. And how does that

890
00:38:17,722 --> 00:38:19,722
recharge and conservation

891
00:38:22,590 --> 00:38:23,927
relate to population growth.

892
00:38:23,927 --> 00:38:24,595
Is it easier at can we

893
00:38:24,595 --> 00:38:25,263
accommodate, you know, in a

894
00:38:25,263 --> 00:38:27,663
smart way, more population

895
00:38:28,199 --> 00:38:30,534
growth. If we pursue these

896
00:38:30,534 --> 00:38:33,534
other modes. I just wanted

897
00:38:37,174 --> 00:38:38,509
that to be out there.

898
00:38:38,509 --> 00:38:39,209
>> Yeah, let me answer first.

899
00:38:39,209 --> 00:38:39,877
And the other question about

900
00:38:39,877 --> 00:38:41,877
monitoring versus modeling.

901
00:38:43,381 --> 00:38:44,615
And these are really, I think

902
00:38:44,615 --> 00:38:47,615
too, very different animals in

903
00:38:48,386 --> 00:38:50,421
some ways. And I think the if

904
00:38:50,421 --> 00:38:52,256
it's well thought out, which

905
00:38:52,256 --> 00:38:52,990
from what we've seen it has

906
00:38:52,990 --> 00:38:55,990
Monday, which islands terms of

907
00:38:56,394 --> 00:38:57,127
the groundwater monitoring

908
00:38:57,127 --> 00:38:57,829
that that that's very valuable

909
00:38:57,829 --> 00:39:00,829
information and we don't want

910
00:39:03,768 --> 00:39:05,202
to suggest that. Efforts spent

911
00:39:05,202 --> 00:39:05,870
trying to continue that has.

912
00:39:05,870 --> 00:39:08,870
So that's kind of different

913
00:39:08,906 --> 00:39:11,609
from the model in question.

914
00:39:11,609 --> 00:39:12,609
You know, as far as how does

915
00:39:12,609 --> 00:39:14,609
the water conservation

916
00:39:15,612 --> 00:39:16,281
translate into growth limits.

917
00:39:16,281 --> 00:39:19,281
It's not something that we

918
00:39:19,684 --> 00:39:22,684
looked into on this peer

919
00:39:23,354 --> 00:39:24,920
review. It's an important

920
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,920
question. My sense is that

921
00:39:27,892 --> 00:39:30,795
you've got quite a bit of room

922
00:39:30,795 --> 00:39:32,697
in terms of water conservation

923
00:39:32,697 --> 00:39:33,431
that would allow girls. You

924
00:39:33,431 --> 00:39:36,134
know what? What those specific

925
00:39:36,134 --> 00:39:36,868
numbers look like. We haven't.

926
00:39:36,868 --> 00:39:40,438
That wasn't part of our school

927
00:39:40,438 --> 00:39:41,940
board we look into that. But

928
00:39:41,940 --> 00:39:42,674
there's definitely some room.

929
00:39:42,674 --> 00:39:46,274
They urge us from numbers that

930
00:39:50,215 --> 00:39:50,882
we've seen.

931
00:39:50,882 --> 00:39:53,282
>> comes are walking. Thank

932
00:39:54,152 --> 00:39:55,120
you. Getting question again.

933
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:55,853
Join my colleagues on square

934
00:39:55,853 --> 00:39:58,723
there. You did a great job for

935
00:39:58,723 --> 00:39:59,923
all of us. When I first read

936
00:39:59,923 --> 00:40:00,659
this, it really was

937
00:40:00,659 --> 00:40:03,659
eye-opening because I begin to

938
00:40:07,399 --> 00:40:08,990
think. Didn't get anything

939
00:40:08,990 --> 00:40:11,436
right and someone bring a new

940
00:40:11,436 --> 00:40:12,537
review that you just highlight

941
00:40:12,537 --> 00:40:14,439
the things that you saw that

942
00:40:14,439 --> 00:40:16,107
needed correction or you

943
00:40:16,107 --> 00:40:16,841
weren't on cleared and that

944
00:40:16,841 --> 00:40:17,509
standard or their parched that

945
00:40:17,509 --> 00:40:19,478
you agreed with new just in

946
00:40:19,478 --> 00:40:20,145
coming on someone that that

947
00:40:20,145 --> 00:40:22,280
modeling to corrected. That

948
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:22,981
statement seems to be accurate

949
00:40:22,981 --> 00:40:24,649
or not. That thought follows

950
00:40:24,649 --> 00:40:25,317
common signs, that kind of

951
00:40:25,317 --> 00:40:29,254
thing. So if you give me an

952
00:40:29,254 --> 00:40:29,988
idea where they're places that

953
00:40:29,988 --> 00:40:31,289
you thought that the plan been

954
00:40:31,289 --> 00:40:34,889
just fine or follow No rules

955
00:40:36,927 --> 00:40:37,596
and procedures.

956
00:40:37,596 --> 00:40:39,996
>> Yeah, you're right that

957
00:40:40,866 --> 00:40:41,666
there is a bias towards, you

958
00:40:41,666 --> 00:40:42,400
know, finding and commenting

959
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:43,802
on on issues that you have

960
00:40:43,802 --> 00:40:47,402
with it, you know, as opposed

961
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,275
to saying what's right. I

962
00:40:50,275 --> 00:40:53,275
think that there there's lot

963
00:40:53,478 --> 00:40:56,247
that's good in In terms

964
00:40:56,247 --> 00:40:57,616
pulling together, a lot of

965
00:40:57,616 --> 00:41:00,319
that data. I think that data

966
00:41:00,319 --> 00:41:01,453
could be presented more

967
00:41:01,453 --> 00:41:03,422
concisely and more clearly,

968
00:41:03,422 --> 00:41:04,122
particularly in terms of you

969
00:41:04,122 --> 00:41:07,722
know what, what is the water

970
00:41:08,460 --> 00:41:09,194
use rates right now. There's

971
00:41:09,194 --> 00:41:10,620
inconsistent season report But

972
00:41:10,620 --> 00:41:10,696
there are some good numbers in

973
00:41:10,696 --> 00:41:13,696
there that I think could

974
00:41:14,700 --> 00:41:15,400
altogether and cleaned up and

975
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,800
even the recharge testaments

976
00:41:19,338 --> 00:41:21,340
that were developed. Yeah,

977
00:41:21,340 --> 00:41:22,708
they were based on methods

978
00:41:22,708 --> 00:41:24,376
that have been used by the

979
00:41:24,376 --> 00:41:27,376
U.S. Geological survey, which

980
00:41:27,445 --> 00:41:28,547
is, you know, kind of the gold

981
00:41:28,547 --> 00:41:31,383
standard in some but they're

982
00:41:31,383 --> 00:41:33,352
getting a little bit dated now

983
00:41:33,352 --> 00:41:34,190
and then. The other issue is

984
00:41:34,190 --> 00:41:35,540
that you know, they didn't

985
00:41:35,540 --> 00:41:35,754
really look at the

986
00:41:35,754 --> 00:41:36,455
uncertainties associated with

987
00:41:36,455 --> 00:41:38,195
those. But, you know, I think

988
00:41:38,195 --> 00:41:39,257
that the estimates, you know,

989
00:41:39,257 --> 00:41:42,257
terms of the midpoint probably

990
00:41:43,996 --> 00:41:44,697
are you know, too bad but you

991
00:41:44,697 --> 00:41:46,699
know, and they use probably,

992
00:41:46,699 --> 00:41:49,602
you know what could be termed

993
00:41:49,602 --> 00:41:50,568
you know, you know, current

994
00:41:50,568 --> 00:41:52,568
professional standards, but

995
00:41:53,805 --> 00:41:54,540
there's a lot of uncertainties

996
00:41:54,540 --> 00:41:55,241
that have been highlighted and

997
00:41:55,241 --> 00:41:55,941
that was kind of our one main

998
00:41:55,941 --> 00:41:59,541
issue as we thought it could

999
00:41:59,812 --> 00:42:00,679
have done a better job with

1000
00:42:00,679 --> 00:42:01,646
talking about some of the

1001
00:42:01,646 --> 00:42:02,348
uncertainties and that's

1002
00:42:02,348 --> 00:42:02,982
sometimes a hard thing to do

1003
00:42:02,982 --> 00:42:06,582
for people like us pay to

1004
00:42:06,885 --> 00:42:08,387
develop models to really be

1005
00:42:08,387 --> 00:42:09,870
clear about you the value and

1006
00:42:09,870 --> 00:42:11,870
the uncertainties associated

1007
00:42:14,894 --> 00:42:17,663
with so to my colleagues, when

1008
00:42:17,663 --> 00:42:19,832
I read read this, around to

1009
00:42:19,832 --> 00:42:20,533
the end. What's the conclusion

1010
00:42:20,533 --> 00:42:21,267
what you say as a group. And

1011
00:42:21,267 --> 00:42:22,601
if I can just read sections of

1012
00:42:22,601 --> 00:42:25,100
your final 2 paragraphs and

1013
00:42:26,305 --> 00:42:29,742
get some comment on that. You

1014
00:42:29,742 --> 00:42:30,342
say to guy local decision

1015
00:42:30,342 --> 00:42:31,430
making. He recommended

1016
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:31,711
stakeholders, quote, need to

1017
00:42:31,711 --> 00:42:34,130
consider multiple lines of

1018
00:42:34,130 --> 00:42:34,747
evidence on all physical and

1019
00:42:34,747 --> 00:42:36,747
plausible outcomes, especially

1020
00:42:37,449 --> 00:42:38,217
when they're contrast

1021
00:42:38,217 --> 00:42:38,918
contrasting relevant to

1022
00:42:38,918 --> 00:42:39,518
specific decision required in

1023
00:42:39,518 --> 00:42:41,854
response to a changing

1024
00:42:41,854 --> 00:42:43,956
climate. Confident in the

1025
00:42:43,956 --> 00:42:44,857
distilled regional climate

1026
00:42:44,857 --> 00:42:45,591
information is enhanced when

1027
00:42:45,591 --> 00:42:47,726
there's a grim across multiple

1028
00:42:47,726 --> 00:42:50,726
lines of evidence that comes

1029
00:42:51,531 --> 00:42:53,699
from this study ipcc to of 21

1030
00:42:53,699 --> 00:42:55,201
ats. And this is the part this

1031
00:42:55,201 --> 00:42:55,902
last paragraph on In other

1032
00:42:55,902 --> 00:42:57,136
words, to have confidence in

1033
00:42:57,136 --> 00:42:58,971
future predictions on a local

1034
00:42:58,971 --> 00:42:59,739
scale. There must be several

1035
00:42:59,739 --> 00:43:02,475
lines of evidence such as and

1036
00:43:02,475 --> 00:43:03,276
samba modeling and historical

1037
00:43:03,276 --> 00:43:04,844
data all support each other

1038
00:43:04,844 --> 00:43:05,545
and agree on a specific range

1039
00:43:05,545 --> 00:43:07,346
of outcomes and you call it a

1040
00:43:07,346 --> 00:43:10,316
steely ation method is the

1041
00:43:10,316 --> 00:43:11,317
gold standard of climate

1042
00:43:11,317 --> 00:43:14,317
science. However, it MAY take

1043
00:43:14,486 --> 00:43:15,887
in in disciplinary teams of

1044
00:43:15,887 --> 00:43:16,556
experts and access to data and

1045
00:43:16,556 --> 00:43:18,758
resources that MAY make it

1046
00:43:18,758 --> 00:43:19,459
accessible to smaller

1047
00:43:19,459 --> 00:43:20,159
governments and institutions.

1048
00:43:20,159 --> 00:43:22,261
And I think Adam alluded that

1049
00:43:22,261 --> 00:43:24,497
earlier saying that you can

1050
00:43:24,497 --> 00:43:27,533
only go so far was study were

1051
00:43:27,533 --> 00:43:29,533
becomes unreachable not

1052
00:43:29,702 --> 00:43:32,102
affordable or forgot how

1053
00:43:35,909 --> 00:43:37,909
phrase

1054
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:39,312
>> Yes, it could be very

1055
00:43:39,312 --> 00:43:40,513
resource Yeah. The amount of

1056
00:43:40,513 --> 00:43:41,214
the amount of work in data and

1057
00:43:41,214 --> 00:43:44,814
modeling that all needs to be

1058
00:43:45,418 --> 00:43:46,186
synthesized in order to. Say

1059
00:43:46,186 --> 00:43:46,786
something with confidence even

1060
00:43:46,786 --> 00:43:49,186
say something about the

1061
00:43:50,990 --> 00:43:52,250
uncertainty pounds themselves.

1062
00:43:52,250 --> 00:43:52,725
>> Yeah. But that's perfect

1063
00:43:52,725 --> 00:43:56,325
segue to your final next pair

1064
00:43:56,563 --> 00:43:58,465
got into your final paragraph.

1065
00:43:58,465 --> 00:43:59,131
People say for small area like

1066
00:43:59,131 --> 00:44:01,131
Cambridge Highland results

1067
00:44:01,334 --> 00:44:02,702
from quantitative modeling. A

1068
00:44:02,702 --> 00:44:03,536
future scenarios. Maybe so

1069
00:44:03,536 --> 00:44:04,271
uncertain that they have

1070
00:44:04,271 --> 00:44:06,500
limited value for gun specific

1071
00:44:06,500 --> 00:44:08,405
many with decisions. However

1072
00:44:08,475 --> 00:44:09,142
him this one study in 2012, it

1073
00:44:09,142 --> 00:44:10,409
states that the context of

1074
00:44:10,409 --> 00:44:12,809
policy decisions on carbon

1075
00:44:14,460 --> 00:44:16,216
emissions and global comment.

1076
00:44:16,216 --> 00:44:17,350
Certainly is not ignorance.

1077
00:44:17,350 --> 00:44:18,285
And a reliance on policy

1078
00:44:18,285 --> 00:44:18,952
makers on scientific and

1079
00:44:18,952 --> 00:44:20,954
economic analysis to little

1080
00:44:20,954 --> 00:44:23,323
more certainty on how to

1081
00:44:23,323 --> 00:44:24,240
optimize future consumption

1082
00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:24,658
MAY be placing more weight on

1083
00:44:24,658 --> 00:44:25,625
those analysis than they

1084
00:44:25,625 --> 00:44:28,250
should be. Reasonably there.

1085
00:44:29,262 --> 00:44:29,929
And then you close with saying

1086
00:44:29,929 --> 00:44:30,597
instead of being guided by

1087
00:44:30,597 --> 00:44:32,597
specific uncertain figures,

1088
00:44:33,660 --> 00:44:34,166
representing future

1089
00:44:34,166 --> 00:44:34,801
conditions. Planning decision

1090
00:44:34,801 --> 00:44:36,903
should be made. That will

1091
00:44:36,903 --> 00:44:38,710
result in a resilient

1092
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:40,400
groundwater system that will

1093
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:41,740
be able to adapt to

1094
00:44:41,740 --> 00:44:42,208
uncertainty in this respect.

1095
00:44:42,208 --> 00:44:43,977
The groundwater management

1096
00:44:43,977 --> 00:44:44,945
plan is successful in

1097
00:44:44,945 --> 00:44:45,746
identifying broad management

1098
00:44:45,746 --> 00:44:47,915
areas that would result in

1099
00:44:47,915 --> 00:44:48,582
justice system systematic

1100
00:44:48,582 --> 00:44:50,582
implementing policies that

1101
00:44:50,751 --> 00:44:51,418
increased water conservation

1102
00:44:51,418 --> 00:44:53,818
reduce pumping and provide

1103
00:44:54,321 --> 00:44:54,922
increased cleaning recharge.

1104
00:44:54,922 --> 00:44:55,556
Your final groundwater

1105
00:44:55,556 --> 00:44:57,791
management plan. Voted on

1106
00:44:57,791 --> 00:44:58,425
these core principles will be

1107
00:44:58,425 --> 00:44:59,693
the most sustainable and

1108
00:44:59,693 --> 00:45:00,360
resilient in any future

1109
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,629
scenario regardless of the

1110
00:45:02,629 --> 00:45:03,296
specific qualities of

1111
00:45:03,296 --> 00:45:05,296
precipitation recharge sea

1112
00:45:07,340 --> 00:45:08,935
level rise, et cetera. So

1113
00:45:08,935 --> 00:45:10,303
summing that Read how how

1114
00:45:10,303 --> 00:45:10,970
would you put it in your terms

1115
00:45:10,970 --> 00:45:13,370
of what you're suggesting.

1116
00:45:15,342 --> 00:45:16,420
That we be moving forward

1117
00:45:16,420 --> 00:45:17,544
>> Yeah. Maybe a quick point

1118
00:45:17,544 --> 00:45:18,145
of clarification that and this

1119
00:45:18,145 --> 00:45:21,745
is kind of with how we

1120
00:45:24,718 --> 00:45:26,530
organize that that was kind of

1121
00:45:26,530 --> 00:45:27,687
unintended. 3 organized it to

1122
00:45:27,687 --> 00:45:29,756
be kind of a stand-alone

1123
00:45:29,756 --> 00:45:31,900
section discussing general

1124
00:45:31,900 --> 00:45:32,725
uncertainty future projections

1125
00:45:32,725 --> 00:45:34,928
but not necessarily, you know,

1126
00:45:34,928 --> 00:45:35,596
our key conclusions overall,

1127
00:45:35,596 --> 00:45:39,196
you know, for that we were

1128
00:45:39,767 --> 00:45:41,635
kind of intending more the

1129
00:45:41,635 --> 00:45:44,350
first executive summary those

1130
00:45:46,540 --> 00:45:47,241
bullet points as I as our kind

1131
00:45:47,241 --> 00:45:47,975
of conclusions of our review.

1132
00:45:47,975 --> 00:45:48,676
You know, it's it's it's where

1133
00:45:48,676 --> 00:45:52,876
we can talk about it a little

1134
00:45:52,947 --> 00:45:53,646
bit you know, I think this

1135
00:45:53,646 --> 00:45:57,246
kind of brings cause goes on

1136
00:46:00,540 --> 00:46:00,754
to say earlier that. You know,

1137
00:46:00,754 --> 00:46:01,355
it's very resource intensive

1138
00:46:01,355 --> 00:46:04,325
to try to explore this

1139
00:46:04,325 --> 00:46:04,992
uncertainty. And in the end.

1140
00:46:04,992 --> 00:46:07,992
Even if all those resources

1141
00:46:08,728 --> 00:46:10,464
are spent, you might. It might

1142
00:46:10,464 --> 00:46:11,665
not be possible to get an

1143
00:46:11,665 --> 00:46:13,767
answer that is satisfactory

1144
00:46:13,767 --> 00:46:15,503
for making a management

1145
00:46:15,503 --> 00:46:16,637
decision. For example, making

1146
00:46:16,637 --> 00:46:17,570
the manager's decision about

1147
00:46:17,570 --> 00:46:20,574
how things are going to be

1148
00:46:20,574 --> 00:46:21,642
affected in the year. 2100 and

1149
00:46:21,642 --> 00:46:24,642
there are so many different,

1150
00:46:24,912 --> 00:46:25,612
you know, physically possible

1151
00:46:25,612 --> 00:46:27,415
pathways of what things could

1152
00:46:27,415 --> 00:46:28,248
look like in 2100 that all

1153
00:46:28,248 --> 00:46:30,648
rely on human decision-making,

1154
00:46:30,985 --> 00:46:33,860
you know, across the globe

1155
00:46:33,860 --> 00:46:34,870
that in the end they're just

1156
00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:34,789
there might not be that

1157
00:46:34,789 --> 00:46:37,189
information available to make

1158
00:46:37,358 --> 00:46:38,590
a concrete decision. So what

1159
00:46:38,590 --> 00:46:41,128
we can do is, you know, know

1160
00:46:41,128 --> 00:46:43,970
that we do know what the

1161
00:46:43,970 --> 00:46:46,660
future's going to be no, it's

1162
00:46:46,660 --> 00:46:48,902
highly and then we focus on

1163
00:46:48,902 --> 00:46:50,838
what we can control. So you

1164
00:46:50,838 --> 00:46:53,238
know, conservation, we talked

1165
00:46:54,420 --> 00:46:56,420
groundwater monitoring doesn't

1166
00:46:56,770 --> 00:46:57,311
really add to that is you

1167
00:46:57,311 --> 00:46:57,945
know, getting better handle on

1168
00:46:57,945 --> 00:47:00,781
how much water people are

1169
00:47:00,781 --> 00:47:03,117
using it and where they're

1170
00:47:03,117 --> 00:47:04,118
using it and then through

1171
00:47:04,118 --> 00:47:06,860
time, you know, tracking how

1172
00:47:06,860 --> 00:47:07,210
all these things are

1173
00:47:07,210 --> 00:47:08,156
progressing. What population

1174
00:47:08,156 --> 00:47:10,580
is how much water people

1175
00:47:10,580 --> 00:47:11,892
using. But the groundwater

1176
00:47:11,892 --> 00:47:12,726
levels doing it cetera,

1177
00:47:12,726 --> 00:47:14,950
cetera. And just, you know,

1178
00:47:14,950 --> 00:47:15,797
all working together problems

1179
00:47:15,797 --> 00:47:16,864
how can we reduce that water

1180
00:47:16,864 --> 00:47:19,934
usage. How can we get more

1181
00:47:19,934 --> 00:47:20,835
water going back into the

1182
00:47:20,835 --> 00:47:22,103
ground and those 2 things

1183
00:47:22,103 --> 00:47:24,739
together are going to be the

1184
00:47:24,739 --> 00:47:25,940
best approach for almost any

1185
00:47:25,940 --> 00:47:27,940
conceivable scenario. No

1186
00:47:27,976 --> 00:47:28,643
matter what the future MAY be

1187
00:47:28,643 --> 00:47:29,777
in there so much. And that

1188
00:47:29,777 --> 00:47:30,478
future that, you know, the

1189
00:47:30,478 --> 00:47:31,790
city of Beirut Island or any

1190
00:47:31,790 --> 00:47:33,790
municipalities not have

1191
00:47:34,382 --> 00:47:35,150
control over.

1192
00:47:35,150 --> 00:47:37,415
>> Then some like pretty

1193
00:47:38,353 --> 00:47:39,520
sensible common sense advice.

1194
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:39,721
I appreciate that. And again,

1195
00:47:39,721 --> 00:47:42,157
I think all college, you're

1196
00:47:42,157 --> 00:47:43,191
going to be an emotional

1197
00:47:43,191 --> 00:47:43,858
mutual admiration society. But

1198
00:47:43,858 --> 00:47:44,559
a lot of work and I've been

1199
00:47:44,559 --> 00:47:45,527
waiting for this peer review

1200
00:47:45,527 --> 00:47:48,196
for a long time because our

1201
00:47:48,196 --> 00:47:48,863
committee has had conflicting

1202
00:47:48,863 --> 00:47:52,200
ideas of what are the best

1203
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:53,201
models where water, the

1204
00:47:53,201 --> 00:47:53,868
possible out comes as a

1205
00:47:53,868 --> 00:47:56,268
something correct. Are the

1206
00:47:56,271 --> 00:47:56,971
perceptions projections on

1207
00:47:56,971 --> 00:47:59,407
target and you helping us get

1208
00:47:59,407 --> 00:48:00,508
there and a lot of it realize

1209
00:48:00,508 --> 00:48:01,142
that there's a lot of

1210
00:48:01,142 --> 00:48:01,809
uncertainty. I think that

1211
00:48:01,809 --> 00:48:06,900
seems to be the key word on

1212
00:48:06,460 --> 00:48:08,446
this whole discussion today.

1213
00:48:10,500 --> 00:48:11,119
Thank customer high topless or

1214
00:48:11,119 --> 00:48:12,530
second term and also

1215
00:48:12,530 --> 00:48:12,954
councilmember Thank you. So I

1216
00:48:12,954 --> 00:48:14,488
want to push for a little more

1217
00:48:14,488 --> 00:48:15,957
certainty because I'm having

1218
00:48:15,957 --> 00:48:16,691
hard time reconciling a couple

1219
00:48:16,691 --> 00:48:17,325
things from themes through

1220
00:48:17,325 --> 00:48:19,725
your comments on written

1221
00:48:20,528 --> 00:48:21,162
comments. And so.

1222
00:48:21,162 --> 00:48:23,498
>> The statement a little

1223
00:48:23,498 --> 00:48:24,199
while ago about You know, and

1224
00:48:24,199 --> 00:48:24,933
I'm gonna go straight to the

1225
00:48:24,933 --> 00:48:27,200
Elf in the room for all of us,

1226
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:27,669
which is that we we are set to

1227
00:48:27,669 --> 00:48:29,669
make significant decisions

1228
00:48:31,106 --> 00:48:31,807
regarding population growth

1229
00:48:31,807 --> 00:48:33,700
and that actually is a lever

1230
00:48:33,700 --> 00:48:33,875
that we do have control, but

1231
00:48:33,875 --> 00:48:34,576
we can't control climate. We

1232
00:48:34,576 --> 00:48:37,812
can't control a lot of other

1233
00:48:37,812 --> 00:48:38,613
things, but we can we actually

1234
00:48:38,613 --> 00:48:39,281
making one of the key things

1235
00:48:39,281 --> 00:48:41,817
we do is pass makers is is

1236
00:48:41,817 --> 00:48:44,817
decide. You know, was owning

1237
00:48:45,454 --> 00:48:46,154
looks like it's that are

1238
00:48:46,154 --> 00:48:47,789
right. So and we're getting a

1239
00:48:47,789 --> 00:48:48,890
lot of growth pressure from

1240
00:48:48,890 --> 00:48:49,725
the state. So when you said a

1241
00:48:49,725 --> 00:48:52,561
few moments ago that there's

1242
00:48:52,561 --> 00:48:54,463
quite a lot of room. If we can

1243
00:48:54,463 --> 00:48:56,531
serve that felt inconsistent

1244
00:48:56,531 --> 00:48:57,932
with a lot of what I've

1245
00:48:57,932 --> 00:48:58,667
written you to read in your

1246
00:48:58,667 --> 00:49:01,667
comments South. Also that when

1247
00:49:02,304 --> 00:49:03,105
we started this conversation

1248
00:49:03,105 --> 00:49:03,972
and I MAY have a

1249
00:49:03,972 --> 00:49:05,107
misunderstanding, but I

1250
00:49:05,107 --> 00:49:05,774
thought you were saying that

1251
00:49:05,774 --> 00:49:08,774
while we have unknowns even

1252
00:49:08,944 --> 00:49:09,644
within what the state is today

1253
00:49:09,644 --> 00:49:10,345
but the state we're in today

1254
00:49:10,345 --> 00:49:12,745
with current population draws

1255
00:49:13,749 --> 00:49:15,384
and so forth that that you

1256
00:49:15,384 --> 00:49:17,586
have the sense that we're in

1257
00:49:17,586 --> 00:49:18,687
that zone of like we could be.

1258
00:49:18,687 --> 00:49:20,355
You know, there are other

1259
00:49:20,355 --> 00:49:21,590
communities that have more

1260
00:49:21,590 --> 00:49:22,658
room for uncertainties and

1261
00:49:22,658 --> 00:49:24,459
that we're kind of getting in

1262
00:49:24,459 --> 00:49:25,193
zone where we need to be

1263
00:49:25,193 --> 00:49:25,861
concerned. And I also

1264
00:49:25,861 --> 00:49:26,562
understood from everything

1265
00:49:26,562 --> 00:49:29,398
that think they've said today

1266
00:49:29,398 --> 00:49:30,666
what you wrote that you

1267
00:49:30,666 --> 00:49:31,734
written your recommendation

1268
00:49:31,734 --> 00:49:32,367
about conservation. What's so

1269
00:49:32,367 --> 00:49:33,268
important about that is I

1270
00:49:33,268 --> 00:49:34,369
believe that's a

1271
00:49:34,369 --> 00:49:35,671
recommendation now in our

1272
00:49:35,671 --> 00:49:37,506
current state. The given how

1273
00:49:37,506 --> 00:49:38,841
are operating now with this

1274
00:49:38,841 --> 00:49:39,641
population. Behaving. It's

1275
00:49:39,641 --> 00:49:43,241
behaving now we need to be

1276
00:49:43,612 --> 00:49:44,747
looking conservation and so I

1277
00:49:44,747 --> 00:49:46,715
think it's really important.

1278
00:49:46,715 --> 00:49:49,115
Get some clarification from

1279
00:49:49,585 --> 00:49:50,652
you on that for one thing

1280
00:49:50,652 --> 00:49:51,687
because with this Council, it

1281
00:49:51,687 --> 00:49:52,321
MAY be thinking Conservation

1282
00:49:52,321 --> 00:49:53,870
was going you know, we're

1283
00:49:53,870 --> 00:49:55,791
going to conserve x amount,

1284
00:49:55,791 --> 00:49:57,126
which as I've said many times

1285
00:49:57,126 --> 00:49:57,893
up here week actually can't

1286
00:49:57,893 --> 00:49:58,527
control human behavior,

1287
00:49:58,527 --> 00:50:00,927
especially if money's no

1288
00:50:01,730 --> 00:50:04,990
object to some people. And so

1289
00:50:04,990 --> 00:50:04,767
that's a little dangerous.

1290
00:50:04,767 --> 00:50:06,835
That we're that getting our

1291
00:50:06,835 --> 00:50:07,403
capacity from conservation

1292
00:50:07,403 --> 00:50:09,803
rather than and known

1293
00:50:10,973 --> 00:50:11,707
unknowable inherent capacity.

1294
00:50:11,707 --> 00:50:12,408
So I'd love to hear more about

1295
00:50:12,408 --> 00:50:13,108
that in. The second thing is

1296
00:50:13,108 --> 00:50:15,508
understanding more about when

1297
00:50:16,345 --> 00:50:17,146
you talk about and some of

1298
00:50:17,146 --> 00:50:17,880
that. I think criticism

1299
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,815
potentially of the of the work

1300
00:50:19,815 --> 00:50:23,415
that's been done so far. You

1301
00:50:24,653 --> 00:50:27,560
talk about trying to determine

1302
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:28,590
you know, at that that's a to

1303
00:50:28,590 --> 00:50:29,792
rent a steady state model to

1304
00:50:29,792 --> 00:50:30,426
determine it sounds of what

1305
00:50:30,426 --> 00:50:32,694
equilibrium is maybe very

1306
00:50:32,694 --> 00:50:34,163
simplistic. But rather than

1307
00:50:34,163 --> 00:50:34,964
focusing on. We've got to

1308
00:50:34,964 --> 00:50:35,698
figure out the exact number of

1309
00:50:35,698 --> 00:50:38,698
variables and what will happen

1310
00:50:38,701 --> 00:50:39,801
here. And here. But rather

1311
00:50:39,801 --> 00:50:40,703
understanding what we're

1312
00:50:40,703 --> 00:50:41,471
working with it. I think

1313
00:50:41,471 --> 00:50:42,205
that's what you're saying.

1314
00:50:42,205 --> 00:50:42,905
We're talking just making sure

1315
00:50:42,905 --> 00:50:45,475
all we can really focus on is

1316
00:50:45,475 --> 00:50:46,242
making sure that that the

1317
00:50:46,242 --> 00:50:46,842
system we have is functioning

1318
00:50:46,842 --> 00:50:49,242
as much equilibrium is

1319
00:50:50,580 --> 00:50:52,980
possible. But that necessarily

1320
00:50:53,282 --> 00:50:54,417
then even if we don't the

1321
00:50:54,417 --> 00:50:55,117
exact growth numbers we can to

1322
00:50:55,117 --> 00:50:58,521
weaken except and so forth is

1323
00:50:58,521 --> 00:50:59,188
has to be taken into

1324
00:50:59,188 --> 00:51:00,356
consideration. And so we're

1325
00:51:00,356 --> 00:51:01,230
kind I hear my my colleagues

1326
00:51:01,230 --> 00:51:04,623
kind of going back into the

1327
00:51:04,727 --> 00:51:06,863
Centre of like which is what

1328
00:51:06,863 --> 00:51:08,798
people who think anyone asking

1329
00:51:08,798 --> 00:51:10,700
about water is just trying to

1330
00:51:10,700 --> 00:51:11,367
stop growth is saying is,

1331
00:51:11,367 --> 00:51:12,350
know, it's uncertain. It's

1332
00:51:12,350 --> 00:51:12,769
uncertain. We don't know so

1333
00:51:12,769 --> 00:51:15,338
well. We don't worry about it.

1334
00:51:15,338 --> 00:51:16,720
We'll just conserve. So I'd

1335
00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:16,806
love hear more about what we

1336
00:51:16,806 --> 00:51:19,375
can do if we took the approach

1337
00:51:19,375 --> 00:51:20,609
is that you talk about could

1338
00:51:20,609 --> 00:51:22,111
take and anything else that

1339
00:51:22,111 --> 00:51:22,779
comes to mind after what I'm

1340
00:51:22,779 --> 00:51:23,446
saying because this is the

1341
00:51:23,446 --> 00:51:24,180
crux of what our community

1342
00:51:24,180 --> 00:51:27,180
wants to understand about this

1343
00:51:28,618 --> 00:51:29,586
work. Thanks.

1344
00:51:29,586 --> 00:51:31,200
>> When you start off by being

1345
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:31,653
a more precise with my

1346
00:51:31,653 --> 00:51:34,653
language when I said that

1347
00:51:34,858 --> 00:51:37,858
there's there's there. What I

1348
00:51:38,361 --> 00:51:41,361
was referring to was average

1349
00:51:43,166 --> 00:51:43,833
per capita water You multiply

1350
00:51:43,833 --> 00:51:44,533
that by your population, of

1351
00:51:44,533 --> 00:51:48,133
course, and you get the water

1352
00:51:48,505 --> 00:51:49,439
news. You can reduce that

1353
00:51:49,439 --> 00:51:52,439
average per capita water use

1354
00:51:53,343 --> 00:51:55,743
significantly from where ends.

1355
00:51:56,279 --> 00:51:57,130
And you know, the room then

1356
00:51:57,130 --> 00:51:58,448
that gives here is potentially

1357
00:51:58,448 --> 00:51:59,382
in some population growth. If

1358
00:51:59,382 --> 00:52:00,490
you want to maintain the

1359
00:52:00,490 --> 00:52:00,750
current water use. So it's

1360
00:52:00,750 --> 00:52:04,950
that's what I meant by it by

1361
00:52:11,628 --> 00:52:13,396
room. And as far as you know,

1362
00:52:13,396 --> 00:52:14,965
conserving water, there are

1363
00:52:14,965 --> 00:52:18,565
things that you can do, right.

1364
00:52:19,236 --> 00:52:20,203
I mean, there places in the

1365
00:52:20,203 --> 00:52:20,837
state then a people not to

1366
00:52:20,837 --> 00:52:23,837
schedule County at all or

1367
00:52:26,176 --> 00:52:26,910
places like that where they

1368
00:52:26,910 --> 00:52:29,846
restrict outdoor water use and

1369
00:52:29,846 --> 00:52:30,480
has a huge impact in terms of

1370
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,480
how much water comes out,

1371
00:52:33,884 --> 00:52:35,919
particularly some of these

1372
00:52:35,919 --> 00:52:36,953
accent Wells there are

1373
00:52:36,953 --> 00:52:37,621
potentially and I'm not an

1374
00:52:37,621 --> 00:52:38,355
expert on this, but I have

1375
00:52:38,355 --> 00:52:41,355
some experience from the worse

1376
00:52:42,392 --> 00:52:45,829
on water board. There is a

1377
00:52:45,829 --> 00:52:46,563
response that happens when

1378
00:52:46,563 --> 00:52:49,833
change the way that you charge

1379
00:52:49,833 --> 00:52:52,569
for water. So there are ways

1380
00:52:52,569 --> 00:52:54,438
encourage conservation that

1381
00:52:54,438 --> 00:52:56,406
way. And then there's peer

1382
00:52:56,406 --> 00:52:57,641
pressure. You know what she

1383
00:52:57,641 --> 00:52:59,109
turns out to be really pretty,

1384
00:52:59,109 --> 00:52:59,776
pretty powerful in terms of

1385
00:52:59,776 --> 00:53:00,477
conserving life. So I think

1386
00:53:00,477 --> 00:53:02,790
there are things that you can

1387
00:53:02,790 --> 00:53:05,679
do as a community to conserve

1388
00:53:09,186 --> 00:53:09,886
water you have some responses.

1389
00:53:09,886 --> 00:53:13,486
I think there are things that

1390
00:53:13,590 --> 00:53:14,490
I.

1391
00:53:14,490 --> 00:53:15,192
>> No, I think that sounds

1392
00:53:15,192 --> 00:53:18,328
good. Yeah. And, you know, I

1393
00:53:18,328 --> 00:53:21,328
also think just you know,

1394
00:53:21,999 --> 00:53:22,699
we're hearing the groundwater

1395
00:53:22,699 --> 00:53:23,967
management plan. I think that

1396
00:53:23,967 --> 00:53:25,690
I that I think a part of the

1397
00:53:25,690 --> 00:53:25,735
next steps that it identifies

1398
00:53:25,735 --> 00:53:26,403
are identifying what these

1399
00:53:26,403 --> 00:53:28,339
conservation measures look

1400
00:53:28,339 --> 00:53:31,939
like. No, I don't think that,

1401
00:53:32,243 --> 00:53:33,344
you know, we as reviewers can

1402
00:53:33,344 --> 00:53:34,545
offer what it what is going to

1403
00:53:34,545 --> 00:53:35,279
be the best pathway to

1404
00:53:35,279 --> 00:53:38,879
conserve water. And I do think

1405
00:53:39,750 --> 00:53:40,784
that, you know.

1406
00:53:40,784 --> 00:53:43,184
>> There challenges to that

1407
00:53:45,655 --> 00:53:46,290
for For sure. With how.

1408
00:53:46,290 --> 00:53:47,625
>> Many different systems

1409
00:53:47,625 --> 00:53:49,920
there on the island. The

1410
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:49,793
permit extent Wells the kpd

1411
00:53:49,793 --> 00:53:52,793
system because the system and

1412
00:53:53,630 --> 00:53:53,697
then the other water per day

1413
00:53:53,697 --> 00:53:57,868
or so, so that that is a

1414
00:53:57,868 --> 00:53:58,969
problem. I don't want make it

1415
00:53:58,969 --> 00:53:59,637
seem like we're minimizing

1416
00:53:59,637 --> 00:54:00,337
not. And I also just don't

1417
00:54:00,337 --> 00:54:01,572
it's not within our scope to

1418
00:54:01,572 --> 00:54:05,772
be able to like offer any, you

1419
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:08,112
know, slam dunk. Definitely

1420
00:54:08,112 --> 00:54:09,980
going to work things. But you

1421
00:54:09,980 --> 00:54:11,649
know, these are ideas that we

1422
00:54:11,649 --> 00:54:12,350
have and that we in some cases

1423
00:54:12,350 --> 00:54:13,840
with restrictions on outdoor

1424
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:17,284
water use that we see in other

1425
00:54:19,290 --> 00:54:21,192
places. Go ahead.

1426
00:54:21,192 --> 00:54:22,460
>> One just to try to

1427
00:54:22,460 --> 00:54:24,228
understand that one more time.

1428
00:54:24,228 --> 00:54:25,463
Just though it in that study

1429
00:54:25,463 --> 00:54:26,129
state thing. I mean, these

1430
00:54:26,129 --> 00:54:26,830
misses But let me just read

1431
00:54:26,830 --> 00:54:27,565
this to little things and it

1432
00:54:27,565 --> 00:54:30,568
would ask you explain it to us

1433
00:54:30,568 --> 00:54:32,770
as people where you say the

1434
00:54:32,770 --> 00:54:33,437
groundwater model is used to

1435
00:54:33,437 --> 00:54:34,138
simulate water levels that

1436
00:54:34,138 --> 00:54:36,207
these these these 100 up to a

1437
00:54:36,207 --> 00:54:36,841
100 years. The future in none

1438
00:54:36,841 --> 00:54:39,841
of the scenarios to water

1439
00:54:40,177 --> 00:54:41,780
levels. Reach equilibrium. It

1440
00:54:41,780 --> 00:54:43,381
would be in a relatively

1441
00:54:43,381 --> 00:54:44,414
simple task to run the model.

1442
00:54:44,414 --> 00:54:45,683
Instead, the to estimate what

1443
00:54:45,683 --> 00:54:46,417
the equilibrium levels would

1444
00:54:46,417 --> 00:54:48,786
be for different combinations.

1445
00:54:48,786 --> 00:54:49,787
Recharge rates in groundwater.

1446
00:54:49,787 --> 00:54:51,890
Extraction rates. The

1447
00:54:51,890 --> 00:54:52,990
steady-state simulations can

1448
00:54:52,990 --> 00:54:53,725
be completed much more

1449
00:54:53,725 --> 00:54:54,425
efficiently than the transient

1450
00:54:54,425 --> 00:54:56,294
simulations described in the

1451
00:54:56,294 --> 00:54:59,894
current gw Mt. And then just

1452
00:54:59,897 --> 00:55:00,598
one last sentence, a thing or

1453
00:55:00,598 --> 00:55:01,966
2. Here and advantage of said

1454
00:55:01,966 --> 00:55:03,234
the state simulations is that

1455
00:55:03,234 --> 00:55:05,603
they can be used to help it to

1456
00:55:05,603 --> 00:55:06,270
help identify the combinations

1457
00:55:06,270 --> 00:55:06,970
of groundwater recharge

1458
00:55:06,970 --> 00:55:08,970
groundwater extraction. That

1459
00:55:09,307 --> 00:55:10,274
will be sustainable for future

1460
00:55:10,274 --> 00:55:11,175
generations. These

1461
00:55:11,175 --> 00:55:11,876
combinations that are

1462
00:55:11,876 --> 00:55:12,476
sustainable can then be used

1463
00:55:12,476 --> 00:55:14,876
to help identify which

1464
00:55:15,513 --> 00:55:16,180
management options are needed

1465
00:55:16,180 --> 00:55:19,180
to achieve that target the

1466
00:55:19,417 --> 00:55:20,840
levels of recharge and

1467
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:20,752
extraction that for us as a

1468
00:55:20,752 --> 00:55:23,752
community, I believe is the

1469
00:55:24,689 --> 00:55:26,591
Holy Grail for water. So

1470
00:55:26,591 --> 00:55:27,325
anything you can tell us

1471
00:55:27,325 --> 00:55:27,925
understand what that means and

1472
00:55:27,925 --> 00:55:31,525
how we do that would be

1473
00:55:31,863 --> 00:55:32,597
helpful.

1474
00:55:32,597 --> 00:55:36,197
>> You know, you're one of the

1475
00:55:37,350 --> 00:55:37,769
point you're trying to make,

1476
00:55:37,769 --> 00:55:38,535
you know. And that section was

1477
00:55:38,535 --> 00:55:39,204
that the way to the

1478
00:55:39,204 --> 00:55:41,604
groundwater model has been

1479
00:55:42,674 --> 00:55:43,373
used is outside of the model

1480
00:55:43,373 --> 00:55:44,842
you develop estimates of how

1481
00:55:44,842 --> 00:55:48,442
much water you're going to all

1482
00:55:59,557 --> 00:56:01,726
right. When you put those

1483
00:56:01,726 --> 00:56:03,628
>> All right. I can do my best

1484
00:56:03,628 --> 00:56:07,228
on this But to be fully

1485
00:56:08,933 --> 00:56:09,934
honest. I am a surface. And

1486
00:56:09,934 --> 00:56:10,635
expert in recharge not on what

1487
00:56:10,635 --> 00:56:13,635
happens under the ground. Joy

1488
00:56:17,642 --> 00:56:18,310
Act. I hope so.

1489
00:56:18,310 --> 00:56:18,976
>> All right. Sense I want

1490
00:56:18,976 --> 00:56:19,644
what I was saying was that,

1491
00:56:19,644 --> 00:56:20,345
you know, the way that the

1492
00:56:20,345 --> 00:56:21,580
models when you do says, you

1493
00:56:21,580 --> 00:56:22,247
know, it's specify how much.

1494
00:56:22,247 --> 00:56:24,647
Groundwater you're going to

1495
00:56:24,783 --> 00:56:27,486
use in the future, put it in

1496
00:56:27,486 --> 00:56:28,420
the model and it calculates

1497
00:56:28,420 --> 00:56:29,154
water levels. But it doesn't

1498
00:56:29,154 --> 00:56:32,154
say whether those water levels

1499
00:56:32,456 --> 00:56:34,760
are sustainable or not. And

1500
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,760
what what we're advocating is

1501
00:56:38,196 --> 00:56:41,796
a more in some simpler. But

1502
00:56:42,634 --> 00:56:43,435
more in precise method to get

1503
00:56:43,435 --> 00:56:45,938
bounds on what on how much

1504
00:56:45,938 --> 00:56:47,372
water you might be able to

1505
00:56:47,372 --> 00:56:48,973
take out and that's what the

1506
00:56:48,973 --> 00:56:50,275
steady state mode is trying to

1507
00:56:50,275 --> 00:56:52,244
We don't know if that steady

1508
00:56:52,244 --> 00:56:54,412
states going to happen in 30

1509
00:56:54,412 --> 00:56:55,113
years or 50 years or 500 years

1510
00:56:55,113 --> 00:56:58,283
and will kind of giving that

1511
00:56:58,283 --> 00:56:59,510
piece of the modeling up. But

1512
00:56:59,510 --> 00:57:00,919
we would be able to get some

1513
00:57:00,919 --> 00:57:01,619
bombs on if you're recharge,

1514
00:57:01,619 --> 00:57:03,689
is this, then you MAY be able

1515
00:57:03,689 --> 00:57:06,992
to develop. You know, x amount

1516
00:57:06,992 --> 00:57:07,692
of water in to this. You know.

1517
00:57:07,692 --> 00:57:10,996
Which is kind of a different

1518
00:57:10,996 --> 00:57:13,699
way. It. Bp took this picture

1519
00:57:13,699 --> 00:57:15,699
on.

1520
00:57:26,778 --> 00:57:27,412
>> 51 new video now.

1521
00:57:27,412 --> 00:57:29,470
>> Do you up a little bit

1522
00:57:29,470 --> 00:57:33,247
there at the end we lost maybe

1523
00:57:36,188 --> 00:57:36,854
the the little bit.

1524
00:57:36,854 --> 00:57:37,556
>> Yeah. That that was just

1525
00:57:37,556 --> 00:57:41,156
just a different way of using

1526
00:57:44,163 --> 00:57:46,163
the I guess.

1527
00:57:46,899 --> 00:57:47,633
>> We move to Council reduce

1528
00:57:47,633 --> 00:57:51,233
the should think think you get

1529
00:57:51,837 --> 00:57:52,505
mayor thank you. So to me it's

1530
00:57:52,505 --> 00:57:55,505
just maybe could take your

1531
00:57:58,770 --> 00:58:01,677
video off and that self. Not

1532
00:58:06,485 --> 00:58:07,152
done leave still here.

1533
00:58:07,152 --> 00:58:07,853
>> Anyway, Adam, I want to

1534
00:58:07,853 --> 00:58:10,853
follow You mentioned the guy

1535
00:58:10,855 --> 00:58:11,557
kind I'm extreme conservation

1536
00:58:11,557 --> 00:58:14,557
measure ban on outdoor water.

1537
00:58:15,661 --> 00:58:16,395
Well. I'm sure you Gentlemen

1538
00:58:16,395 --> 00:58:17,290
you since you're in the field.

1539
00:58:17,290 --> 00:58:20,290
He saw the Seattle Times

1540
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:22,501
article today were the city's

1541
00:58:22,501 --> 00:58:23,202
a Ellensburg Prosser. Yeah.

1542
00:58:23,202 --> 00:58:25,602
Come on received curtailment

1543
00:58:26,639 --> 00:58:27,206
letters from the Department of

1544
00:58:27,206 --> 00:58:28,173
ecology basically no

1545
00:58:28,173 --> 00:58:31,100
irrigation or lawn or garden

1546
00:58:31,100 --> 00:58:32,177
watering due to we're in the

1547
00:58:32,177 --> 00:58:36,377
3rd year of a drought and I

1548
00:58:39,952 --> 00:58:41,988
guess my. Question here is

1549
00:58:41,988 --> 00:58:42,555
when for us to follow if your

1550
00:58:42,555 --> 00:58:43,689
recommendation water

1551
00:58:43,689 --> 00:58:44,590
conservation, which I wholly

1552
00:58:44,590 --> 00:58:46,259
indoors because I brought

1553
00:58:46,259 --> 00:58:48,127
discussion on this in

1554
00:58:48,127 --> 00:58:48,694
mid-APRIL that let's have a

1555
00:58:48,694 --> 00:58:50,694
discussion of water.

1556
00:58:51,631 --> 00:58:52,331
Implementing water

1557
00:58:52,331 --> 00:58:52,999
conservation measures earlier

1558
00:58:52,999 --> 00:58:55,333
this year and was decided.

1559
00:58:55,333 --> 00:58:56,360
Let's wait till groundwater

1560
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:57,804
management plan this time. So

1561
00:58:57,804 --> 00:58:59,839
we're kind of back to this.

1562
00:58:59,839 --> 00:59:02,875
But I think my what I'm trying

1563
00:59:02,875 --> 00:59:05,275
probe here is. What's

1564
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:07,714
happening with the cities and

1565
00:59:07,714 --> 00:59:10,714
what you just mentioned Adam,

1566
00:59:12,118 --> 00:59:12,819
is that it an extreme measure.

1567
00:59:12,819 --> 00:59:13,619
Seems like there's different

1568
00:59:13,619 --> 00:59:16,190
levels of water, conservation.

1569
00:59:19,292 --> 00:59:19,992
>> In your. Opinion.

1570
00:59:19,992 --> 00:59:22,992
>> How would correct. What is

1571
00:59:23,963 --> 00:59:24,696
our level. Should we. I'm just

1572
00:59:24,696 --> 00:59:27,933
saying what if we do, we go to

1573
00:59:27,933 --> 00:59:29,869
the extreme measure. That

1574
00:59:29,869 --> 00:59:30,670
seems extreme. But what level

1575
00:59:30,670 --> 00:59:31,336
of water conservation should

1576
00:59:31,336 --> 00:59:33,506
we be implementing and then

1577
00:59:33,506 --> 00:59:37,106
second. How do we know that?

1578
00:59:39,780 --> 00:59:40,847
We're succeeding. You know,

1579
00:59:40,847 --> 00:59:42,949
how do we know this is working

1580
00:59:42,949 --> 00:59:43,650
or first quote at a moderate

1581
00:59:43,650 --> 00:59:44,317
conservation level. At what

1582
00:59:44,317 --> 00:59:47,253
point do we know we we need

1583
00:59:47,253 --> 00:59:51,560
ramp it up. So if that if that

1584
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:53,456
if that makes sense.

1585
00:59:53,626 --> 00:59:57,226
>> Yeah, I think you can never

1586
00:59:58,697 --> 00:59:59,365
know for sure.

1587
00:59:59,365 --> 01:00:00,600
>> You know, to what degree

1588
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:02,202
are succeeding because the

1589
01:00:02,202 --> 01:00:05,802
shooter is always going to be

1590
01:00:06,206 --> 01:00:06,907
uncertain. But I do think that

1591
01:00:06,907 --> 01:00:07,641
there is indicators that you

1592
01:00:07,641 --> 01:00:11,770
can follow that can give you a

1593
01:00:11,770 --> 01:00:12,912
good sense that you're

1594
01:00:12,912 --> 01:00:14,247
conservation is working well,

1595
01:00:14,247 --> 01:00:15,181
you know, my understanding is

1596
01:00:15,181 --> 01:00:18,285
that a lot of the well

1597
01:00:18,285 --> 01:00:20,452
monitoring bigger, Wells. Many

1598
01:00:20,452 --> 01:00:21,588
Wells are in a slow but steady

1599
01:00:21,588 --> 01:00:24,424
state of decline that doesn't

1600
01:00:24,424 --> 01:00:25,292
mean the system is

1601
01:00:25,292 --> 01:00:25,926
unsustainable. It might just

1602
01:00:25,926 --> 01:00:28,195
be that they're being the

1603
01:00:28,195 --> 01:00:30,595
system's adjusting to new

1604
01:00:31,398 --> 01:00:33,398
groundwater withdrawals. But.

1605
01:00:34,133 --> 01:00:34,768
If this is the misses they

1606
01:00:34,768 --> 01:00:37,168
will eventually one would

1607
01:00:37,237 --> 01:00:38,438
expect those elevations to

1608
01:00:38,438 --> 01:00:41,408
stabilize. And so like one

1609
01:00:41,408 --> 01:00:43,510
very strong indicator that the

1610
01:00:43,510 --> 01:00:45,679
system is being sustainable

1611
01:00:45,679 --> 01:00:46,346
years at least for the current

1612
01:00:46,346 --> 01:00:48,746
and recent history of

1613
01:00:48,915 --> 01:00:49,516
conditions would you have some

1614
01:00:49,516 --> 01:00:50,216
stabilization in those

1615
01:00:50,216 --> 01:00:52,216
groundwater elevations across

1616
01:00:58,191 --> 01:00:58,892
the and so it's so that can

1617
01:00:58,892 --> 01:01:02,492
monitor. And I think that you

1618
01:01:03,630 --> 01:01:03,730
know, that's something I kind

1619
01:01:03,730 --> 01:01:06,730
of cheese and what we're

1620
01:01:08,735 --> 01:01:09,670
recommending about about the

1621
01:01:09,670 --> 01:01:10,770
if Joe is still with us, you

1622
01:01:10,770 --> 01:01:11,472
know, he's the groundwater

1623
01:01:11,472 --> 01:01:14,700
expert. You MAY have more to

1624
01:01:14,700 --> 01:01:14,741
say about okay was not so much

1625
01:01:14,741 --> 01:01:16,243
say about that. I mean, I

1626
01:01:16,243 --> 01:01:18,312
agree everything you said, but

1627
01:01:18,312 --> 01:01:19,460
no one thought we had was, you

1628
01:01:19,460 --> 01:01:21,849
know, one of the next steps is

1629
01:01:21,849 --> 01:01:23,849
to identify these.

1630
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:26,954
>> Different approaches for

1631
01:01:26,954 --> 01:01:27,854
conservation.

1632
01:01:27,854 --> 01:01:28,489
>> And a sign no cost to them

1633
01:01:28,489 --> 01:01:30,889
bowl, you know, monetary

1634
01:01:32,526 --> 01:01:33,260
costs, you know, cost in terms

1635
01:01:33,260 --> 01:01:37,460
of and you know how it's going

1636
01:01:37,631 --> 01:01:39,500
affect people and so on and

1637
01:01:39,500 --> 01:01:40,133
prioritizing them get some

1638
01:01:40,133 --> 01:01:41,569
sense of, you know, maybe

1639
01:01:41,569 --> 01:01:42,403
there's some really low

1640
01:01:42,403 --> 01:01:45,403
hanging fruit that you could

1641
01:01:46,730 --> 01:01:46,740
go after and increase the

1642
01:01:46,740 --> 01:01:47,441
conservation significantly

1643
01:01:47,441 --> 01:01:51,410
without a lot of, you without

1644
01:01:53,447 --> 01:01:54,181
a lot of pain. Thank

1645
01:01:54,181 --> 01:01:56,181
>> Yes, counselor, Milwaukee

1646
01:01:58,219 --> 01:01:58,919
and then thank you that in

1647
01:01:58,919 --> 01:01:59,487
there, you know, being short

1648
01:01:59,487 --> 01:02:01,487
Iowa's go furloughing

1649
01:02:01,989 --> 01:02:03,323
improved. That's how we can

1650
01:02:03,323 --> 01:02:04,240
do. Your final chapter. It was

1651
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:04,759
the headline. I think it's as

1652
01:02:04,759 --> 01:02:05,458
planning in the face of

1653
01:02:05,458 --> 01:02:08,458
uncertainty that was what you

1654
01:02:08,795 --> 01:02:09,496
summed it up with and we

1655
01:02:09,496 --> 01:02:10,197
talked about it earlier, but

1656
01:02:10,197 --> 01:02:10,897
there was one that of all the

1657
01:02:10,897 --> 01:02:13,897
comments and your that jumped

1658
01:02:16,103 --> 01:02:16,770
out at me. Page 4, one of the

1659
01:02:16,770 --> 01:02:19,770
last bullet and says the

1660
01:02:20,641 --> 01:02:21,842
environmental assessment 2025

1661
01:02:21,842 --> 01:02:22,510
model does not explicitly

1662
01:02:22,510 --> 01:02:24,910
include streams wetlands or

1663
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:26,547
lakes. This severely limits,

1664
01:02:26,547 --> 01:02:28,182
the usefulness of the model

1665
01:02:28,182 --> 01:02:28,815
for freshman impacts on

1666
01:02:28,815 --> 01:02:29,416
groundwater pumping or an

1667
01:02:29,416 --> 01:02:31,416
individual streams and

1668
01:02:32,954 --> 01:02:34,755
wetlands. I just assumed that

1669
01:02:34,755 --> 01:02:36,524
was mean, it's common sense.

1670
01:02:36,524 --> 01:02:39,524
So that that's kind of.

1671
01:02:40,461 --> 01:02:41,940
Surprise to

1672
01:02:41,940 --> 01:02:44,940
>> Yeah, that was the the

1673
01:02:44,365 --> 01:02:47,365
example But what I was

1674
01:02:48,302 --> 01:02:50,702
mentioning before was that

1675
01:02:53,341 --> 01:02:54,775
That model was handed to your

1676
01:02:54,775 --> 01:02:55,510
current consulting that I

1677
01:02:55,510 --> 01:02:59,110
think they point out that it's

1678
01:02:59,647 --> 01:03:00,548
not a proper way to do that.

1679
01:03:00,548 --> 01:03:01,249
Modeling. And we would second

1680
01:03:01,249 --> 01:03:04,585
that it's not a proper way to

1681
01:03:04,585 --> 01:03:07,155
do the modeling to take out

1682
01:03:07,155 --> 01:03:07,789
those streams. So on. Given

1683
01:03:07,789 --> 01:03:08,455
what the objective right.

1684
01:03:08,455 --> 01:03:11,455
You're trying to predict or

1685
01:03:12,827 --> 01:03:13,594
estimate the impacts. On the

1686
01:03:13,594 --> 01:03:14,294
on those resources and model

1687
01:03:14,294 --> 01:03:15,296
can't do it the way it's set

1688
01:03:15,296 --> 01:03:17,296
up right now.

1689
01:03:18,980 --> 01:03:18,766
>> So a number on Broadway. If

1690
01:03:18,766 --> 01:03:21,766
it was included, how might

1691
01:03:22,135 --> 01:03:22,837
that have impacted projections

1692
01:03:22,837 --> 01:03:25,837
on the ground. Water recharge

1693
01:03:27,308 --> 01:03:28,576
him the for him.

1694
01:03:28,576 --> 01:03:29,760
>> I don't think it would have

1695
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:31,760
affected recharge

1696
01:03:36,284 --> 01:03:37,385
significantly. Probably won't

1697
01:03:37,385 --> 01:03:38,286
affected, you know, estimates

1698
01:03:38,286 --> 01:03:38,953
on how much water you're able

1699
01:03:38,953 --> 01:03:42,553
to pull out of those deeper

1700
01:03:43,224 --> 01:03:44,159
aquifers. But you're kind of

1701
01:03:44,159 --> 01:03:47,759
flying blind in terms of what

1702
01:03:47,796 --> 01:03:49,197
are the impacts the pumping,

1703
01:03:49,197 --> 01:03:50,932
you know, on your stream flow

1704
01:03:50,932 --> 01:03:51,633
and on your wetlands was just

1705
01:03:51,633 --> 01:03:55,833
solid way to get that out of

1706
01:03:57,205 --> 01:03:59,273
the model. And that's

1707
01:03:59,273 --> 01:03:59,973
something that could be fixed

1708
01:03:59,973 --> 01:04:00,708
if you you know, if you want

1709
01:04:00,708 --> 01:04:01,376
to do and it's not if you want

1710
01:04:01,376 --> 01:04:02,430
to be a huge effort to fix

1711
01:04:02,430 --> 01:04:05,430
that piece of the modeling

1712
01:04:06,948 --> 01:04:08,948
work.

1713
01:04:11,453 --> 01:04:13,288
>> colleagues. Thank it's been

1714
01:04:13,288 --> 01:04:14,255
observed that the council

1715
01:04:14,255 --> 01:04:14,990
doesn't spend enough time

1716
01:04:14,990 --> 01:04:17,990
discussing things. But I think

1717
01:04:21,863 --> 01:04:22,564
we're refuting critique in the

1718
01:04:22,564 --> 01:04:25,564
way dealing with these these

1719
01:04:27,202 --> 01:04:27,902
issues and this dialogue with.

1720
01:04:27,902 --> 01:04:31,473
The people who have done some

1721
01:04:31,473 --> 01:04:32,174
excellent work for us. I want

1722
01:04:32,174 --> 01:04:32,908
to touch on a few things that

1723
01:04:32,908 --> 01:04:35,908
I think haven't been mentioned

1724
01:04:41,116 --> 01:04:41,816
to. Quoting paraphrasing

1725
01:04:41,816 --> 01:04:44,216
various place passages page.

1726
01:04:46,530 --> 01:04:47,889
25, there's the observation is

1727
01:04:47,889 --> 01:04:48,590
unlikely. Aquifer storage and

1728
01:04:48,590 --> 01:04:51,590
recovery would be feasible on

1729
01:04:52,327 --> 01:04:54,727
Bainbridge Island. Does not

1730
01:04:58,967 --> 01:04:59,668
mean tertiary treatment and

1731
01:04:59,668 --> 01:05:03,268
reuse is really not going to

1732
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:06,475
be the money. It takes.

1733
01:05:06,475 --> 01:05:09,278
>> I know that I and trying

1734
01:05:09,278 --> 01:05:11,213
say that fact, you know, the

1735
01:05:11,213 --> 01:05:14,820
tertiary treatment that is one

1736
01:05:14,820 --> 01:05:14,750
way to prefer recharge. If so,

1737
01:05:14,750 --> 01:05:17,750
we would, you know, support

1738
01:05:17,886 --> 01:05:19,521
those kind of actions. I

1739
01:05:19,521 --> 01:05:20,155
prefer storage and recovery.

1740
01:05:20,155 --> 01:05:20,822
The idea is that you pump

1741
01:05:20,822 --> 01:05:23,822
water down into the awkward

1742
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:26,894
for you. And store it and then

1743
01:05:26,894 --> 01:05:27,762
pump back on again and we've

1744
01:05:27,762 --> 01:05:28,430
quite a bit of work over. They

1745
01:05:28,430 --> 01:05:30,732
looked at this and this man

1746
01:05:30,732 --> 01:05:31,366
plateau quite a bit that a lot

1747
01:05:31,366 --> 01:05:34,366
of testing on there. And

1748
01:05:34,636 --> 01:05:37,360
they're basically just pushing

1749
01:05:37,538 --> 01:05:38,374
the water out men were really

1750
01:05:38,374 --> 01:05:39,108
storing water. Those are

1751
01:05:39,108 --> 01:05:42,108
that's very helpful. Thank you

1752
01:05:45,380 --> 01:05:46,810
the clarification. I want to

1753
01:05:46,810 --> 01:05:47,249
linger on the phrase planning

1754
01:05:47,249 --> 01:05:50,249
in the face of uncertainty.

1755
01:05:51,153 --> 01:05:51,787
And it's I've been thinking

1756
01:05:51,787 --> 01:05:54,787
this through as as we've

1757
01:05:55,891 --> 01:05:57,793
talked about it. Planning in

1758
01:05:57,793 --> 01:05:58,627
the face of uncertainty is

1759
01:05:58,627 --> 01:06:01,627
exactly what we're doing when

1760
01:06:02,631 --> 01:06:03,365
we plan for for population

1761
01:06:03,365 --> 01:06:06,965
growth. A plan for a diversity

1762
01:06:09,705 --> 01:06:10,406
of housing stock. All of is

1763
01:06:10,406 --> 01:06:11,774
planning without knowing how

1764
01:06:11,774 --> 01:06:14,174
much will actually be

1765
01:06:15,711 --> 01:06:16,412
accomplished or the pace at

1766
01:06:16,412 --> 01:06:18,614
which change will happen. We

1767
01:06:18,614 --> 01:06:21,614
also don't know in advance.

1768
01:06:23,352 --> 01:06:24,200
That's the rate at which

1769
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:24,653
people will be leaving the

1770
01:06:24,653 --> 01:06:27,530
island well, other people

1771
01:06:27,156 --> 01:06:29,825
arrive on the island. So there

1772
01:06:29,825 --> 01:06:31,627
are these uncertainties that

1773
01:06:31,627 --> 01:06:34,627
give us some comfort. I

1774
01:06:34,696 --> 01:06:35,865
believe when we're talking

1775
01:06:35,865 --> 01:06:38,865
about the obligation to plan

1776
01:06:41,370 --> 01:06:44,370
for population growth. We need

1777
01:06:44,730 --> 01:06:47,900
to monitor year by year. What

1778
01:06:47,900 --> 01:06:49,409
we're producing and our

1779
01:06:50,613 --> 01:06:53,130
increases in population the

1780
01:06:54,549 --> 01:06:57,549
people aging out or being

1781
01:06:59,589 --> 01:07:01,989
displaced by causes and

1782
01:07:04,694 --> 01:07:06,662
leaving room for new people

1783
01:07:06,662 --> 01:07:07,330
coming in.

1784
01:07:07,330 --> 01:07:10,330
>> you address very well. I

1785
01:07:10,899 --> 01:07:13,899
think. The ways in which

1786
01:07:17,139 --> 01:07:19,139
uncertainty could be.

1787
01:07:19,308 --> 01:07:20,410
Recognize more because as you

1788
01:07:20,410 --> 01:07:22,810
say, uncertainty is different

1789
01:07:26,749 --> 01:07:28,518
from But if you if you try to

1790
01:07:28,518 --> 01:07:29,252
quantify the amount or the

1791
01:07:29,252 --> 01:07:29,886
kinds of uncertainty. That's

1792
01:07:29,886 --> 01:07:32,286
that's something we could

1793
01:07:36,910 --> 01:07:39,910
learn from. Now. The last

1794
01:07:39,962 --> 01:07:40,563
thing I the last observation

1795
01:07:40,563 --> 01:07:43,899
on what is in your peer

1796
01:07:43,899 --> 01:07:44,567
review. And also I think the

1797
01:07:44,567 --> 01:07:46,967
contents of the groundwater

1798
01:07:47,536 --> 01:07:49,936
management plan itself. There

1799
01:07:52,742 --> 01:07:53,843
is no discussion of carrying

1800
01:07:53,843 --> 01:07:55,780
capacity. That is something

1801
01:07:55,780 --> 01:07:56,446
that people have been asking

1802
01:07:56,446 --> 01:07:59,446
for looking for expecting to

1803
01:08:04,530 --> 01:08:06,455
be. Addressed in our Studies

1804
01:08:06,455 --> 01:08:08,855
of groundwater present future

1805
01:08:11,428 --> 01:08:12,128
and I take great comfort in

1806
01:08:12,128 --> 01:08:15,128
this silence on this subject

1807
01:08:16,967 --> 01:08:19,367
because I think carrying

1808
01:08:20,937 --> 01:08:23,739
capacity totally on There are

1809
01:08:23,739 --> 01:08:24,474
so many different factors come

1810
01:08:24,474 --> 01:08:27,844
into play and we should not be

1811
01:08:27,844 --> 01:08:30,547
trying to assign a number to

1812
01:08:30,547 --> 01:08:33,547
the carrying capacity of our

1813
01:08:33,983 --> 01:08:34,985
in terms of population, in

1814
01:08:34,985 --> 01:08:38,522
terms of other the other parts

1815
01:08:38,522 --> 01:08:39,322
portions of our ecosystem. We

1816
01:08:39,322 --> 01:08:42,322
should just be cautious and

1817
01:08:43,580 --> 01:08:43,760
careful attentive to the ways

1818
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:47,360
in which things change in the

1819
01:08:47,864 --> 01:08:50,000
way things stay the same.

1820
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:51,635
That's just my own. Deep

1821
01:08:51,635 --> 01:08:52,335
conviction on the subject. And

1822
01:08:52,335 --> 01:08:54,805
I wanted to share it with my

1823
01:08:54,805 --> 01:08:56,840
colleagues and the public. Now

1824
01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:59,840
there's one last big question

1825
01:09:01,445 --> 01:09:04,445
for me. About the difference

1826
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:07,751
within our system. Between the

1827
01:09:07,751 --> 01:09:08,385
deepest aquifers and those

1828
01:09:08,385 --> 01:09:11,985
that are at or above sea

1829
01:09:14,725 --> 01:09:15,525
level. It has been asserted

1830
01:09:15,525 --> 01:09:16,226
that on our Island. We are

1831
01:09:16,226 --> 01:09:19,226
already in trouble because we

1832
01:09:19,963 --> 01:09:20,631
have depended too much on the

1833
01:09:20,631 --> 01:09:23,310
deepest aquifers. And it's

1834
01:09:25,101 --> 01:09:25,802
been observed that those

1835
01:09:25,802 --> 01:09:26,403
deepest aquifers served most

1836
01:09:26,403 --> 01:09:29,403
of the residents on the

1837
01:09:30,700 --> 01:09:33,577
island. On the basis of. What

1838
01:09:33,577 --> 01:09:36,346
you The dating scene in the

1839
01:09:36,346 --> 01:09:38,346
groundwater management plan.

1840
01:09:40,584 --> 01:09:44,184
Can we determine. How much of

1841
01:09:45,155 --> 01:09:47,560
the island depends. Mostly or

1842
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:49,920
entirely on the deepest

1843
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:49,827
aquifers. How much of the

1844
01:09:49,827 --> 01:09:53,427
population and how much of the

1845
01:09:54,365 --> 01:09:56,633
consumption. There could be

1846
01:09:56,633 --> 01:09:57,500
proved or there MAY be

1847
01:09:57,500 --> 01:09:59,703
percentages. I'm I'm dubious

1848
01:09:59,703 --> 01:10:02,103
about the observation that

1849
01:10:02,405 --> 01:10:05,405
most of the other residents

1850
01:10:05,809 --> 01:10:06,510
are reliant upon the deepest

1851
01:10:06,510 --> 01:10:07,711
offers. But I don't know that

1852
01:10:07,711 --> 01:10:08,746
for sure. Maybe you. You've

1853
01:10:08,746 --> 01:10:11,746
understood that from the what

1854
01:10:12,616 --> 01:10:15,886
you've done. I want the plan

1855
01:10:15,886 --> 01:10:18,886
to establish. Changes that we

1856
01:10:21,658 --> 01:10:23,728
could make. To to rely less if

1857
01:10:23,728 --> 01:10:27,328
we need to on the deepest

1858
01:10:28,432 --> 01:10:29,133
aquifers maybe can help me

1859
01:10:29,133 --> 01:10:32,133
>> Yeah, I believe there are

1860
01:10:33,437 --> 01:10:34,905
some numbers in the report. I

1861
01:10:34,905 --> 01:10:35,573
don't. That happened at my

1862
01:10:35,573 --> 01:10:36,240
fingertips that do qualify.

1863
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:39,310
You know how much the water

1864
01:10:39,310 --> 01:10:39,844
use comes from. Most people

1865
01:10:39,844 --> 01:10:42,244
are options. And my

1866
01:10:42,446 --> 01:10:43,481
recollection is that it is

1867
01:10:43,481 --> 01:10:45,216
most of the people who I

1868
01:10:45,216 --> 01:10:46,250
don't. I don't know exactly

1869
01:10:46,250 --> 01:10:48,650
what that number largest

1870
01:10:48,719 --> 01:10:51,719
percentage of the people are

1871
01:10:52,556 --> 01:10:55,556
providing water from that was

1872
01:10:55,793 --> 01:10:56,794
I think that's deepest pockets

1873
01:10:56,794 --> 01:11:00,394
it is the large systems that

1874
01:11:01,165 --> 01:11:02,330
rely especially on the prefer.

1875
01:11:02,330 --> 01:11:02,767
>> But there is a great deal

1876
01:11:02,767 --> 01:11:05,767
other systems in their private

1877
01:11:06,804 --> 01:11:07,638
Wells and so on. But I don't

1878
01:11:07,638 --> 01:11:10,374
know if we have an out of my

1879
01:11:10,374 --> 01:11:13,974
eyes. The whole system as much

1880
01:11:15,378 --> 01:11:16,470
as we might in that regard.

1881
01:11:16,470 --> 01:11:16,780
Yeah. I mean, you remember

1882
01:11:16,780 --> 01:11:19,484
those numbers. I know you look

1883
01:11:19,484 --> 01:11:21,552
at them as well that.

1884
01:11:21,552 --> 01:11:22,186
>> I do. Yes, I know. I think

1885
01:11:22,186 --> 01:11:25,186
they're in there. I don't

1886
01:11:28,492 --> 01:11:31,462
remember the not stop my

1887
01:11:31,462 --> 01:11:32,697
>> I guess counselor high

1888
01:11:32,697 --> 01:11:35,499
topless has one You 2 things

1889
01:11:35,499 --> 01:11:36,200
have come off of your

1890
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:36,901
questions mayor to just real

1891
01:11:36,901 --> 01:11:40,271
quick. I was curious to look

1892
01:11:40,271 --> 01:11:42,407
up because carrying capacity.

1893
01:11:42,407 --> 01:11:43,374
I thought was probably similar

1894
01:11:43,374 --> 01:11:44,242
to studies the equilibrium.

1895
01:11:44,242 --> 01:11:44,942
And so I thought that sort of

1896
01:11:44,942 --> 01:11:45,510
like what we're talking about

1897
01:11:45,510 --> 01:11:47,910
is something that can

1898
01:11:49,547 --> 01:11:50,281
potentially be determined, at

1899
01:11:50,281 --> 01:11:50,949
least roughly just not knowing

1900
01:11:50,949 --> 01:11:54,549
when will reach it for sure

1901
01:11:57,880 --> 01:11:58,156
because of the lack of Of

1902
01:11:58,156 --> 01:12:00,291
certainty. But I guess this is

1903
01:12:00,291 --> 01:12:01,250
what my continue frustrations

1904
01:12:01,250 --> 01:12:03,227
with this conversation and and

1905
01:12:03,227 --> 01:12:03,928
not not here. Just tonight

1906
01:12:03,928 --> 01:12:04,562
with with you. You too. But I

1907
01:12:04,562 --> 01:12:06,998
mean, just all we've been

1908
01:12:06,998 --> 01:12:08,766
through over the years on this

1909
01:12:08,766 --> 01:12:09,467
is that everything I read the

1910
01:12:09,467 --> 01:12:13,670
comes from the usgs and other

1911
01:12:14,238 --> 01:12:14,506
sources talks about in terms

1912
01:12:14,506 --> 01:12:16,274
of.

1913
01:12:16,274 --> 01:12:17,242
>> Some level of certainty

1914
01:12:17,242 --> 01:12:18,276
your goals with regards to

1915
01:12:18,276 --> 01:12:18,942
balance sustainable. You know,

1916
01:12:18,942 --> 01:12:20,942
withdrawal sustainable for

1917
01:12:22,213 --> 01:12:22,881
that word. A sustainable

1918
01:12:22,881 --> 01:12:23,615
yield. I mean, this is work

1919
01:12:23,615 --> 01:12:26,651
that done, right. So I guess I

1920
01:12:26,651 --> 01:12:27,619
just want to I just want to

1921
01:12:27,619 --> 01:12:29,254
counter that. I don't believe

1922
01:12:29,254 --> 01:12:29,888
it's absurd to be looking for

1923
01:12:29,888 --> 01:12:30,621
carrying capacity of the

1924
01:12:30,621 --> 01:12:33,621
guards to water. We're looking

1925
01:12:33,724 --> 01:12:34,458
for sustainable yield. We're

1926
01:12:34,458 --> 01:12:35,160
looking to tap protect perhaps

1927
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:37,729
for something along the lines

1928
01:12:37,729 --> 01:12:38,463
of state is the equilibrium.

1929
01:12:38,463 --> 01:12:41,650
And I guess the lesson want to

1930
01:12:41,650 --> 01:12:41,800
say is, is that yes, I mean,

1931
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:44,800
our major water purveyors like

1932
01:12:46,605 --> 01:12:48,605
us

1933
01:12:48,673 --> 01:12:51,476
>> kpd. That's the issue draw

1934
01:12:51,476 --> 01:12:52,543
quite a bit from the Fletcher

1935
01:12:52,543 --> 01:12:53,311
biographer and that has been

1936
01:12:53,311 --> 01:12:53,945
in decline as long as we've

1937
01:12:53,945 --> 01:12:54,579
been looking at this and

1938
01:12:54,579 --> 01:12:55,714
that's something we still

1939
01:12:55,714 --> 01:12:56,415
never come back to is.

1940
01:12:56,415 --> 01:13:00,150
>> How do we feel about that

1941
01:13:03,922 --> 01:13:05,157
decline.

1942
01:13:05,157 --> 01:13:08,157
>> Mayor Matthew is one thing

1943
01:13:08,860 --> 01:13:09,527
and council Thanks so much to

1944
01:13:09,527 --> 01:13:10,228
be mayor. So I actually had

1945
01:13:10,228 --> 01:13:12,598
this as a discuss to discuss

1946
01:13:12,598 --> 01:13:13,298
coming up for future agenda

1947
01:13:13,298 --> 01:13:14,899
but thought it probably best

1948
01:13:14,899 --> 01:13:15,601
to have this conversation.

1949
01:13:15,601 --> 01:13:16,935
First. I don't remember where

1950
01:13:16,935 --> 01:13:20,535
we're going. But I set we're

1951
01:13:20,872 --> 01:13:22,908
going somewhere in a bus. And

1952
01:13:22,908 --> 01:13:24,900
I sat next to the south one of

1953
01:13:24,900 --> 01:13:25,343
the Silverdale water

1954
01:13:25,343 --> 01:13:26,144
commissioners Marcus and he

1955
01:13:26,144 --> 01:13:28,880
had bunch of suggestions for

1956
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:29,981
things that we could be doing

1957
01:13:29,981 --> 01:13:30,649
now here that included with

1958
01:13:30,649 --> 01:13:33,218
the first step was that we

1959
01:13:33,218 --> 01:13:33,819
should take a tour of the port

1960
01:13:33,819 --> 01:13:35,819
gamble, water treatment

1961
01:13:38,357 --> 01:13:39,224
facility. And so I what their

1962
01:13:39,224 --> 01:13:40,258
3rd there. The on the 3rd

1963
01:13:40,258 --> 01:13:40,926
Thursday of the month. And so

1964
01:13:40,926 --> 01:13:41,593
I will send out a calendar

1965
01:13:41,593 --> 01:13:42,126
thing and see if any folks

1966
01:13:42,126 --> 01:13:44,126
want to go.

1967
01:13:45,531 --> 01:13:46,231
>> then I will do. And just I

1968
01:13:46,231 --> 01:13:48,667
guess if there's any interest

1969
01:13:48,667 --> 01:13:49,368
in having him come and speak

1970
01:13:49,368 --> 01:13:50,402
about some of the innovative

1971
01:13:50,402 --> 01:13:51,102
things that they're doing

1972
01:13:51,102 --> 01:13:54,702
there. I think that would be

1973
01:13:57,420 --> 01:13:57,710
helpful for us to.

1974
01:13:57,710 --> 01:13:58,377
Conservatives. Well, I was

1975
01:13:58,377 --> 01:14:00,112
just going to go ahead and

1976
01:14:00,112 --> 01:14:03,112
make the motion. Thank you,

1977
01:14:07,886 --> 01:14:08,587
Adam and. You still there. I

1978
01:14:08,587 --> 01:14:09,888
moved forward the groundwater

1979
01:14:09,888 --> 01:14:10,689
management plan Pierre view to

1980
01:14:10,689 --> 01:14:11,857
the ground. Water management

1981
01:14:11,857 --> 01:14:13,826
plan, subcommittee in

1982
01:14:13,826 --> 01:14:14,859
technical advisory Committee

1983
01:14:14,859 --> 01:14:17,859
for development of next steps

1984
01:14:18,597 --> 01:14:19,298
and plans for public became

1985
01:14:19,298 --> 01:14:21,698
moved by councilmember Dietz

1986
01:14:22,201 --> 01:14:23,669
and seconded by councilor more

1987
01:14:23,669 --> 01:14:27,269
waukee. All those in favor any

1988
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:30,440
opposed. Ms Bishop motion

1989
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passes unanimously. Thank you

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01:14:35,314 --> 01:14:36,150
and thank you both. And Joel.

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01:14:36,150 --> 01:14:37,582
It's been great to talk with

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01:14:37,582 --> 01:14:40,582
you tonight. Thank you so

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01:14:45,891 --> 01:14:46,392
Thank They Chair. If I could

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01:14:46,392 --> 01:14:48,294
related directly.

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01:14:48,294 --> 01:14:48,627
>> To the report on the pier

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01:14:48,627 --> 01:14:50,627
review.

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01:14:53,399 --> 01:14:56,399
>> couple topics come up. Will

1998
01:14:58,237 --> 01:14:58,804
try present to you. The most

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01:14:58,804 --> 01:15:00,606
recent review of our

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01:15:00,606 --> 01:15:03,600
beneficial. You study brought

2001
01:15:03,910 --> 01:15:07,313
to a while back as recall

2002
01:15:07,313 --> 01:15:07,880
there were 2 things that were

2003
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:09,482
looked one was using

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01:15:09,482 --> 01:15:10,149
beneficial reuse for

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01:15:10,149 --> 01:15:12,549
irrigation purposes and the

2006
01:15:13,618 --> 01:15:15,521
other was recharged. We spent

2007
01:15:15,521 --> 01:15:16,789
a lot of time and effort

2008
01:15:16,789 --> 01:15:18,357
looking at actual recharge

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01:15:18,357 --> 01:15:19,580
would in terms of the

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01:15:19,580 --> 01:15:22,580
composition of the ground at

2011
01:15:24,997 --> 01:15:25,697
the The port gamble is. Used

2012
01:15:25,697 --> 01:15:28,697
terms of they're putting the

2013
01:15:30,169 --> 01:15:30,770
treated water back in there

2014
01:15:30,770 --> 01:15:32,710
are conditions for bit

2015
01:15:32,710 --> 01:15:34,471
different. When we identify,

2016
01:15:35,108 --> 01:15:37,210
for example, Kai Park as

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01:15:37,210 --> 01:15:39,610
location that would be

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01:15:40,346 --> 01:15:40,979
acceptable recharge location

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01:15:40,979 --> 01:15:42,214
So perhaps over the next

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01:15:42,214 --> 01:15:44,183
couple months or where the

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01:15:44,183 --> 01:15:46,252
next before you consider that

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01:15:46,252 --> 01:15:48,187
too, might be helpful have an

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01:15:48,187 --> 01:15:51,187
update on the beneficial and

2024
01:15:52,158 --> 01:15:52,792
finally just going say that.

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01:15:52,792 --> 01:15:53,493
Having worked in several

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01:15:53,493 --> 01:15:54,193
cities where water

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01:15:54,193 --> 01:15:55,395
conservation important piece

2028
01:15:55,395 --> 01:15:59,198
to basic form of that. If that

2029
01:15:59,198 --> 01:16:01,968
is an area that you go to is

2030
01:16:01,968 --> 01:16:05,568
that you just know many ways

2031
01:16:05,738 --> 01:16:06,538
like greenhouse gas reduction

2032
01:16:06,538 --> 01:16:07,273
efforts. You develop reporter

2033
01:16:07,273 --> 01:16:10,142
demand assessment for how much

2034
01:16:10,142 --> 01:16:10,843
water they are consuming. And

2035
01:16:10,843 --> 01:16:12,645
then you look at conservation

2036
01:16:12,645 --> 01:16:13,378
actions to reduce that water

2037
01:16:13,378 --> 01:16:16,549
by a certain percentage over a

2038
01:16:16,549 --> 01:16:17,250
period of time and then you

2039
01:16:17,250 --> 01:16:19,180
look at your plight tools and

2040
01:16:19,180 --> 01:16:22,180
that's basic form that most

2041
01:16:23,220 --> 01:16:23,957
cities are both the water

2042
01:16:23,957 --> 01:16:24,657
conservation. So really have a

2043
01:16:24,657 --> 01:16:27,657
lot of the information right

2044
01:16:28,610 --> 01:16:28,895
now in terms what your and

2045
01:16:28,895 --> 01:16:29,462
assessment is just discussion

2046
01:16:29,462 --> 01:16:32,462
has been on what your

2047
01:16:32,632 --> 01:16:33,233
conservation tools are and

2048
01:16:33,233 --> 01:16:33,933
help to reduction chief

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01:16:33,933 --> 01:16:36,933
through various tools over a

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01:16:40,607 --> 01:16:41,540
period of time.

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01:16:41,540 --> 01:16:45,140
>> Thank you. I could move now

2052
01:16:45,178 --> 01:16:48,178
to item 3 b. Involving changes

2053
01:16:49,649 --> 01:16:53,249
to the ethics program and you

2054
01:16:56,923 --> 01:16:57,623
information in the packet. And

2055
01:16:57,623 --> 01:17:00,623
no recommended motion but we

2056
01:17:03,764 --> 01:17:05,599
MAY. Provide some Council to

2057
01:17:05,599 --> 01:17:08,599
members of the ethics board

2058
01:17:12,872 --> 01:17:16,309
who are here with us tonight.

2059
01:17:16,309 --> 01:17:18,478
So let's take take forward

2060
01:17:18,478 --> 01:17:20,547
from are there any questions

2061
01:17:20,547 --> 01:17:23,783
or comments at this point. And

2062
01:17:23,783 --> 01:17:24,451
city manager do you want to

2063
01:17:24,451 --> 01:17:25,118
play with I don't know how

2064
01:17:25,118 --> 01:17:26,219
much background you want or

2065
01:17:26,219 --> 01:17:28,455
need in case. You

2066
01:17:28,455 --> 01:17:29,122
>> Right. This is an action

2067
01:17:29,122 --> 01:17:31,522
related to something counts

2068
01:17:33,894 --> 01:17:34,494
last back in MAY. That me the

2069
01:17:34,494 --> 01:17:36,494
council considered some

2070
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:38,999
changes to program, which is a

2071
01:17:38,999 --> 01:17:42,369
product for work That was part

2072
01:17:42,369 --> 01:17:43,700
the counts from the ethics

2073
01:17:43,700 --> 01:17:46,700
program at the time the

2074
01:17:47,207 --> 01:17:49,607
council limiting to 12 months.

2075
01:17:50,410 --> 01:17:52,112
The complaints could perceive

2076
01:17:52,112 --> 01:17:54,314
to one year for the actions

2077
01:17:54,314 --> 01:17:55,849
subject to complaints within

2078
01:17:55,849 --> 01:17:56,484
also one year after member of

2079
01:17:56,484 --> 01:17:58,884
commissioner had left her

2080
01:17:59,652 --> 01:18:02,520
position within the last 12

2081
01:18:03,757 --> 01:18:04,624
months. The ethics board has

2082
01:18:04,624 --> 01:18:06,659
responded don't you kidding

2083
01:18:06,659 --> 01:18:07,328
the chairs here as you can

2084
01:18:07,328 --> 01:18:09,728
tell, they are recommending

2085
01:18:11,397 --> 01:18:13,797
two-year time frame. 2 years

2086
01:18:13,900 --> 01:18:15,135
after violation occurred in 2

2087
01:18:15,135 --> 01:18:18,135
years after the council member

2088
01:18:18,839 --> 01:18:19,573
advisory group member we

2089
01:18:19,573 --> 01:18:21,973
Assuming the alleged violation

2090
01:18:22,542 --> 01:18:23,243
occurred in term of office and

2091
01:18:23,243 --> 01:18:26,243
they are recommending that be

2092
01:18:27,414 --> 01:18:29,650
the standard to be maintained.

2093
01:18:29,650 --> 01:18:31,151
But chair is here to offer

2094
01:18:31,151 --> 01:18:31,852
insight into their position

2095
01:18:31,852 --> 01:18:33,354
But again, not sure how much

2096
01:18:33,354 --> 01:18:34,989
back on the council want that.

2097
01:18:34,989 --> 01:18:37,358
But that's based addition

2098
01:18:37,358 --> 01:18:39,758
Quick. Thumbnail sketch. You

2099
01:18:42,997 --> 01:18:45,997
have memo sent to Mary

2100
01:18:47,868 --> 01:18:49,868
Matthews and myself.

2101
01:18:49,870 --> 01:18:52,706
>> And I responded had very

2102
01:18:52,706 --> 01:18:53,974
useful give and take with

2103
01:18:53,974 --> 01:18:56,974
don't you're Mainly to just

2104
01:19:01,916 --> 01:19:03,617
encourage 2. Feel to know that

2105
01:19:03,617 --> 01:19:04,352
the council respects, the

2106
01:19:04,352 --> 01:19:06,752
integrity and the separateness

2107
01:19:10,190 --> 01:19:13,190
of the ethics board from

2108
01:19:13,227 --> 01:19:15,627
management or or even

2109
01:19:17,310 --> 01:19:20,310
scrutiny. We honor their input

2110
01:19:21,135 --> 01:19:22,102
in let's see how we can

2111
01:19:22,102 --> 01:19:24,438
perhaps respond to the

2112
01:19:24,438 --> 01:19:27,438
concerns expressed in the memo

2113
01:19:28,275 --> 01:19:29,643
and the ideas there for a way

2114
01:19:29,643 --> 01:19:31,545
forward council member Hart

2115
01:19:31,545 --> 01:19:32,180
high top Alyssa you weren't in

2116
01:19:32,180 --> 01:19:35,180
the initial Lou point. Go

2117
01:19:35,850 --> 01:19:36,851
ahead.

2118
01:19:36,851 --> 01:19:38,986
>> Well, I was you are the

2119
01:19:38,986 --> 01:19:42,586
main voice for being is with

2120
01:19:43,570 --> 01:19:44,224
proposals. Yeah, good as well

2121
01:19:44,224 --> 01:19:44,925
as somebody who drafted recent

2122
01:19:44,925 --> 01:19:47,925
chief brought changes on our

2123
01:19:49,397 --> 01:19:50,531
side of the covid anyway. I

2124
01:19:50,531 --> 01:19:51,766
have. I want to preface. My

2125
01:19:51,766 --> 01:19:54,368
comments was saying it so hard

2126
01:19:54,368 --> 01:19:55,536
for me to say anything against

2127
01:19:55,536 --> 01:19:57,472
anything brought forward by of

2128
01:19:57,472 --> 01:19:58,139
its board since I think that

2129
01:19:58,139 --> 01:19:58,840
they're amazing and I'm so

2130
01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:01,840
thankful for the long service

2131
01:20:04,512 --> 01:20:05,546
of a number of them. And still

2132
01:20:05,546 --> 01:20:06,481
feel the same way that I did

2133
01:20:06,481 --> 01:20:09,830
that before. So I said to put

2134
01:20:09,830 --> 01:20:09,983
on the record. I do not

2135
01:20:09,983 --> 01:20:10,685
believe that either council

2136
01:20:10,685 --> 01:20:12,200
members or committee members

2137
01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:15,620
that was shocking to me that

2138
01:20:15,757 --> 01:20:16,691
we were doing this to

2139
01:20:16,691 --> 01:20:17,592
committee members should be

2140
01:20:17,592 --> 01:20:20,428
hunted down accused of ethics

2141
01:20:20,428 --> 01:20:21,696
complaints any time after they

2142
01:20:21,696 --> 01:20:22,697
leave. And that's one of a

2143
01:20:22,697 --> 01:20:24,332
couple comments about that. So

2144
01:20:24,332 --> 01:20:25,366
I do want to clarify for the

2145
01:20:25,366 --> 01:20:27,435
ethics board. Based on the

2146
01:20:27,435 --> 01:20:30,405
memo to receive my GOD, I had

2147
01:20:30,405 --> 01:20:31,390
no idea that we we were

2148
01:20:31,390 --> 01:20:32,407
suggesting something more

2149
01:20:32,407 --> 01:20:33,208
lenient for us than than the

2150
01:20:33,208 --> 01:20:33,874
committees. I'm more worried.

2151
01:20:33,874 --> 01:20:34,442
The committee members. I'm

2152
01:20:34,442 --> 01:20:35,276
always worried about

2153
01:20:35,276 --> 01:20:37,676
dissuading people from we're

2154
01:20:40,180 --> 01:20:42,500
here for us. I've said this

2155
01:20:42,500 --> 01:20:43,418
before as a lawyer and having

2156
01:20:43,418 --> 01:20:45,987
seen this happen to other

2157
01:20:45,987 --> 01:20:47,210
lawyer members of this Council

2158
01:20:47,210 --> 01:20:48,990
before all of us care about

2159
01:20:48,990 --> 01:20:50,240
being called an ethical, but

2160
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:51,250
any. But but, you know, in my

2161
01:20:51,250 --> 01:20:52,794
profession in particular, as

2162
01:20:52,794 --> 01:20:53,495
you know, anything raise like

2163
01:20:53,495 --> 01:20:56,495
this coming after me. 2 years

2164
01:20:56,731 --> 01:20:58,433
after the 9 Council

2165
01:20:58,433 --> 01:20:59,000
potentially harming my

2166
01:20:59,000 --> 01:20:59,534
reputation feels

2167
01:20:59,534 --> 01:21:00,235
inappropriate. Was

2168
01:21:00,235 --> 01:21:02,635
particularly profit again for

2169
01:21:03,704 --> 01:21:05,240
a fallen to And I just want to

2170
01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:07,575
remind everybody that there

2171
01:21:07,575 --> 01:21:09,411
are state ethics there is

2172
01:21:09,411 --> 01:21:11,811
their state ethics. There's

2173
01:21:12,380 --> 01:21:13,810
the ethics code. Is a serious

2174
01:21:13,810 --> 01:21:14,349
ethics issue. And I know that

2175
01:21:14,349 --> 01:21:15,550
that committee knows this I

2176
01:21:15,550 --> 01:21:16,485
mean, this is You know, if

2177
01:21:16,485 --> 01:21:17,850
somebody actually commit, you

2178
01:21:17,850 --> 01:21:19,485
know, taking bribes or

2179
01:21:21,220 --> 01:21:21,723
something. We on those. Those

2180
01:21:21,723 --> 01:21:22,357
are a whole different world.

2181
01:21:22,357 --> 01:21:22,991
And that's not what we're

2182
01:21:22,991 --> 01:21:25,600
talking about, trying to

2183
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:25,727
influence this is our ethics

2184
01:21:25,727 --> 01:21:29,197
code. So I want to I don't

2185
01:21:29,197 --> 01:21:30,532
want to beat a dead horse. But

2186
01:21:30,532 --> 01:21:31,700
I just I just don't think it's

2187
01:21:31,700 --> 01:21:32,634
reasonable to ask of any of us

2188
01:21:32,634 --> 01:21:36,234
volunteer or elected is to be

2189
01:21:36,872 --> 01:21:37,572
subject to our city to ethics

2190
01:21:37,572 --> 01:21:40,572
program after we've left and

2191
01:21:43,544 --> 01:21:46,544
move with their lives. Thank

2192
01:21:47,282 --> 01:21:47,649
>> Council member country

2193
01:21:47,649 --> 01:21:48,316
Johnson.

2194
01:21:48,316 --> 01:21:51,916
>> Yeah, I know when I read

2195
01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:56,688
this, I kind of. Remember some

2196
01:22:00,261 --> 01:22:02,231
things you know, at I want to

2197
01:22:02,231 --> 01:22:05,133
questions about this my my

2198
01:22:05,133 --> 01:22:07,169
main question was well, first

2199
01:22:07,169 --> 01:22:08,703
of all, what what does the

2200
01:22:08,703 --> 01:22:09,371
state say. Are we compliance

2201
01:22:09,371 --> 01:22:12,274
with what you know because

2202
01:22:12,274 --> 01:22:12,975
we've all had to sign the

2203
01:22:12,975 --> 01:22:15,975
little paper says we're going

2204
01:22:17,446 --> 01:22:18,146
to be at the going and kinda

2205
01:22:18,146 --> 01:22:21,746
on what what you are saying.

2206
01:22:21,884 --> 01:22:24,820
Council might have a list. We.

2207
01:22:24,820 --> 01:22:25,521
Some of us are in professions

2208
01:22:25,521 --> 01:22:28,222
where we we all have to sign

2209
01:22:28,222 --> 01:22:31,222
those type language. You know,

2210
01:22:34,196 --> 01:22:34,830
for our jobs. I you know, I

2211
01:22:34,830 --> 01:22:38,430
know it's not a matter of

2212
01:22:39,168 --> 01:22:41,470
mistrust. I know. There was

2213
01:22:41,470 --> 01:22:44,206
some history. With this a

2214
01:22:44,206 --> 01:22:47,806
while back. And I kind of

2215
01:22:48,510 --> 01:22:51,146
remember that. But I have say

2216
01:22:51,146 --> 01:22:54,746
that, you know, when I no

2217
01:22:55,251 --> 01:22:58,721
longer am on this Council. I'm

2218
01:22:58,721 --> 01:22:59,388
no longer on this Council. I

2219
01:22:59,388 --> 01:23:01,157
don't want anybody hunt me

2220
01:23:01,157 --> 01:23:04,260
down in sand and then I have

2221
01:23:04,260 --> 01:23:04,693
to defend myself. Against

2222
01:23:04,693 --> 01:23:07,693
because anybody can make a

2223
01:23:09,331 --> 01:23:12,267
claim. Off the council. I

2224
01:23:12,267 --> 01:23:12,901
won't have legal help. You

2225
01:23:12,901 --> 01:23:15,901
know, I'm just a regular

2226
01:23:19,740 --> 01:23:22,740
citizen. You know. And and

2227
01:23:22,345 --> 01:23:24,447
yeah, the committee, you know,

2228
01:23:24,447 --> 01:23:27,149
the poor committee members. I

2229
01:23:27,149 --> 01:23:30,149
just don't believe that. What

2230
01:23:30,585 --> 01:23:33,890
we're doing up here. Denotes

2231
01:23:33,890 --> 01:23:36,689
that time type of that. That

2232
01:23:37,326 --> 01:23:41,526
to me is for like a criminal.

2233
01:23:41,663 --> 01:23:42,664
You know, somebody who's. You

2234
01:23:42,664 --> 01:23:43,399
know, done something so

2235
01:23:43,399 --> 01:23:46,399
dastardly 2 years after we can

2236
01:23:48,700 --> 01:23:51,941
get you for it. It's not for

2237
01:23:51,941 --> 01:23:53,476
me voting on ordinances. And

2238
01:23:53,476 --> 01:23:56,476
express. In my opinion on.

2239
01:23:58,180 --> 01:24:01,180
Well, Florida housing. I don't

2240
01:24:01,718 --> 01:24:02,285
see it. It's like too much.

2241
01:24:02,285 --> 01:24:05,285
For what we It's like

2242
01:24:07,123 --> 01:24:10,426
overreach. And I think we are

2243
01:24:10,426 --> 01:24:12,826
already ethically covered. We

2244
01:24:13,462 --> 01:24:17,620
don't need to have extra. Put

2245
01:24:21,371 --> 01:24:22,380
on That's my opinion.

2246
01:24:22,380 --> 01:24:22,772
Councilmember were walking.

2247
01:24:22,772 --> 01:24:26,372
Thank you to mayor on you

2248
01:24:27,577 --> 01:24:28,244
know. Laws and ethics, you do

2249
01:24:28,244 --> 01:24:30,644
different things. You know,

2250
01:24:32,615 --> 01:24:33,316
you often uses walk into a

2251
01:24:33,316 --> 01:24:35,184
park Leslie and I walk into a

2252
01:24:35,184 --> 01:24:37,720
parking and I threw my lunch

2253
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:40,290
on the ground Mike Mike.

2254
01:24:40,290 --> 01:24:40,990
Aluminum can and she says pick

2255
01:24:40,990 --> 01:24:43,493
it up and I look in addition,

2256
01:24:43,493 --> 01:24:46,950
there's no sign that says it.

2257
01:24:46,950 --> 01:24:46,763
You must pick up your law

2258
01:24:46,763 --> 01:24:49,763
later. There's no sign that

2259
01:24:50,533 --> 01:24:51,534
says you must recycle. You

2260
01:24:51,534 --> 01:24:52,535
know, this is the right thing

2261
01:24:52,535 --> 01:24:55,372
to Know. Really Rondon litter

2262
01:24:55,372 --> 01:24:56,390
and not recycle my mind that.

2263
01:24:56,390 --> 01:24:57,106
That's kind of the ethical

2264
01:24:57,106 --> 01:25:00,706
thing to do. It's like your

2265
01:25:00,877 --> 01:25:03,877
conscience. On as the state

2266
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:04,914
law and a few I want But the

2267
01:25:04,914 --> 01:25:08,514
our cw on that is mostly

2268
01:25:10,353 --> 01:25:11,540
about. Kirsten mentioned

2269
01:25:11,540 --> 01:25:14,654
bribes or you can you cannot

2270
01:25:15,859 --> 01:25:16,927
give contracts favorable

2271
01:25:16,927 --> 01:25:18,561
contract government efforts to

2272
01:25:18,561 --> 01:25:19,262
people, you know, relatives

2273
01:25:19,262 --> 01:25:19,963
this motion. Front none show

2274
01:25:19,963 --> 01:25:21,564
kind of transactions that you

2275
01:25:21,564 --> 01:25:22,265
do not want to.

2276
01:25:22,265 --> 01:25:25,265
>> Being in proper steward of

2277
01:25:27,303 --> 01:25:29,703
tax dollars. Interpretation of

2278
01:25:35,412 --> 01:25:36,713
she w. On the

2279
01:25:36,713 --> 01:25:39,113
>> I'm sorry, counselor. I

2280
01:25:39,148 --> 01:25:39,782
didn't quite capture. It's

2281
01:25:39,782 --> 01:25:42,782
hard so if you're walking

2282
01:25:48,624 --> 01:25:48,925
through a Telling Joe just

2283
01:25:48,925 --> 01:25:49,593
took.

2284
01:25:49,593 --> 01:25:50,260
>> So. Yeah, simply just a

2285
01:25:50,260 --> 01:25:50,961
recent presentation of the

2286
01:25:50,961 --> 01:25:53,530
state. You know, revise go to

2287
01:25:53,530 --> 01:25:54,398
Washington on ethics and

2288
01:25:54,398 --> 01:25:56,798
mostly was about financial

2289
01:25:57,401 --> 01:25:58,135
things that you cannot benefit

2290
01:25:58,135 --> 01:26:00,437
your relatives on that kind of

2291
01:26:00,437 --> 01:26:01,738
thing or you can and as well,

2292
01:26:01,738 --> 01:26:02,405
of course. But those kind of

2293
01:26:02,405 --> 01:26:05,405
effort and dealing with the

2294
01:26:07,878 --> 01:26:08,845
proper use city and county

2295
01:26:08,845 --> 01:26:10,714
revenues.

2296
01:26:10,714 --> 01:26:11,415
>> That's correct. Council

2297
01:26:11,415 --> 01:26:12,116
more waukee that ethics code

2298
01:26:12,116 --> 01:26:15,116
largely has to deal with

2299
01:26:15,953 --> 01:26:17,121
financial interests and

2300
01:26:17,121 --> 01:26:18,455
contracts, prohibited on that

2301
01:26:18,455 --> 01:26:19,122
establishes and essentially a

2302
01:26:19,122 --> 01:26:20,823
basement for ethics for all

2303
01:26:20,823 --> 01:26:23,823
local City Council members is

2304
01:26:24,661 --> 01:26:26,563
Topples had mentioned the

2305
01:26:26,563 --> 01:26:27,264
city's ethics program this

2306
01:26:27,264 --> 01:26:28,565
kind of raises that far. It's

2307
01:26:28,565 --> 01:26:29,233
it's a separate and distinct

2308
01:26:29,233 --> 01:26:32,833
animal than it is from the

2309
01:26:34,672 --> 01:26:38,272
That's And I think it's good

2310
01:26:39,443 --> 01:26:40,544
to elevate the bar.

2311
01:26:40,544 --> 01:26:41,245
>> So I'm reading because this

2312
01:26:41,245 --> 01:26:43,280
is news to me. I'm glad that

2313
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:43,981
the memo came forward to it is

2314
01:26:43,981 --> 01:26:46,381
that's comprehensive as usual

2315
01:26:49,860 --> 01:26:49,720
coming from the author. That

2316
01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:51,588
the city's ethics program

2317
01:26:51,588 --> 01:26:52,389
describes a two-year post

2318
01:26:52,389 --> 01:26:53,230
service restriction specific

2319
01:26:53,230 --> 01:26:55,423
action by former Council

2320
01:26:56,193 --> 01:26:56,827
PRESIDENT Friends for example,

2321
01:26:56,827 --> 01:26:57,595
unemployment benefits or

2322
01:26:57,595 --> 01:26:59,595
litigation involving prior

2323
01:27:00,931 --> 01:27:01,632
matters. You know. So that's a

2324
01:27:01,632 --> 01:27:04,632
that's a pretty narrow focus

2325
01:27:06,700 --> 01:27:07,704
of what you could be. Hard to

2326
01:27:07,704 --> 01:27:08,405
do. And I think that's not

2327
01:27:08,405 --> 01:27:09,730
actually not an unreasonable

2328
01:27:09,730 --> 01:27:11,473
because you might discover

2329
01:27:12,142 --> 01:27:13,777
some impropriety. Let's say.

2330
01:27:13,777 --> 01:27:14,478
You discover an embezzlement.

2331
01:27:14,478 --> 01:27:15,145
You know, you're later. So

2332
01:27:15,145 --> 01:27:17,581
there was a you might have

2333
01:27:17,581 --> 01:27:18,249
that method to have some

2334
01:27:18,249 --> 01:27:18,916
remedy. But other things I

2335
01:27:18,916 --> 01:27:22,516
don't I'm not quite sure if

2336
01:27:22,820 --> 01:27:23,454
that's something I I would

2337
01:27:23,454 --> 01:27:24,155
kind. I'm kind of leaning

2338
01:27:24,155 --> 01:27:24,855
toward my colleagues here and

2339
01:27:24,855 --> 01:27:28,455
the concern of there might be

2340
01:27:28,892 --> 01:27:29,626
a witch Hunter. Someone

2341
01:27:29,626 --> 01:27:30,293
doesn't like you anymore. You

2342
01:27:30,293 --> 01:27:32,629
know, they do and they just

2343
01:27:32,629 --> 01:27:35,990
want to know, Harris, you give

2344
01:27:35,990 --> 01:27:35,800
you a hard time on something

2345
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:38,769
so what are your thoughts of

2346
01:27:38,769 --> 01:27:42,369
narrowing it to. Just like to

2347
01:27:50,181 --> 01:27:53,781
state our cw rules of ethics.

2348
01:27:56,120 --> 01:27:59,560
The question goes to. Any of

2349
01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:00,291
those are all of us kind of

2350
01:28:00,291 --> 01:28:03,291
wide open I've I've been

2351
01:28:03,594 --> 01:28:04,295
trying myself

2352
01:28:04,295 --> 01:28:05,663
>> get my hands around. What

2353
01:28:05,663 --> 01:28:08,630
is the unfinished business

2354
01:28:09,767 --> 01:28:13,967
here. I'm not. It. I do think

2355
01:28:14,439 --> 01:28:18,390
we have been. In some measure

2356
01:28:19,109 --> 01:28:22,109
at odds with. The initiatives.

2357
01:28:23,948 --> 01:28:24,582
Are the values represented by

2358
01:28:24,582 --> 01:28:27,582
ethics board. And want to

2359
01:28:29,530 --> 01:28:31,530
resolve miscommunication or

2360
01:28:33,725 --> 01:28:36,125
any Sense of unfinished

2361
01:28:45,469 --> 01:28:46,170
business. On that score. But I

2362
01:28:46,170 --> 01:28:49,170
need help. Because her dates

2363
01:28:49,273 --> 01:28:51,273
first imminent.

2364
01:28:51,576 --> 01:28:52,309
>> Great. Thank you to mayor

2365
01:28:52,309 --> 01:28:54,379
perhaps maybe chair members of

2366
01:28:54,379 --> 01:28:54,979
the Pats explore might want to

2367
01:28:54,979 --> 01:28:57,979
come. I my question is

2368
01:28:58,116 --> 01:28:58,850
relating to the I'm just

2369
01:28:58,850 --> 01:28:59,551
looking the amendment does not

2370
01:28:59,551 --> 01:29:01,951
provide equity across schools

2371
01:29:05,657 --> 01:29:07,692
and. We let's do rather have

2372
01:29:07,692 --> 01:29:08,393
maybe everyone has 2 years,

2373
01:29:08,393 --> 01:29:11,393
maybe when people leave. And

2374
01:29:11,863 --> 01:29:13,464
that's whether it's like

2375
01:29:13,464 --> 01:29:14,132
committee member councilmember

2376
01:29:14,132 --> 01:29:15,433
so list. Let's keep I think

2377
01:29:15,433 --> 01:29:19,300
that that a very good point,

2378
01:29:19,300 --> 01:29:20,205
frankly, I wasn't aware that

2379
01:29:20,205 --> 01:29:23,205
there's somehow we're by doing

2380
01:29:24,309 --> 01:29:25,100
what was suggested to where in

2381
01:29:25,100 --> 01:29:26,210
and equitable position. So I

2382
01:29:26,210 --> 01:29:28,460
guess my question whether

2383
01:29:28,460 --> 01:29:31,460
members can choose Tecumseh to

2384
01:29:32,830 --> 01:29:35,200
hear. Thank you. To address.

2385
01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:35,654
Let's do equity. But is there

2386
01:29:35,654 --> 01:29:38,654
another way of doing the

2387
01:29:39,991 --> 01:29:42,127
equity that is not onerous

2388
01:29:42,127 --> 01:29:43,227
because we have had members,

2389
01:29:43,227 --> 01:29:43,862
including myself frivolous

2390
01:29:43,862 --> 01:29:44,562
ethics complaints to say

2391
01:29:44,562 --> 01:29:46,962
they're not pleasant. They

2392
01:29:49,134 --> 01:29:52,134
really are not. And. They

2393
01:29:52,370 --> 01:29:55,140
don't serve any purpose. So

2394
01:29:55,140 --> 01:29:58,443
what if we bring the equity in

2395
01:29:58,443 --> 01:29:59,770
But in a way that's not

2396
01:29:59,770 --> 01:30:01,477
onerous on either council

2397
01:30:01,947 --> 01:30:02,680
members or committee members

2398
01:30:02,680 --> 01:30:06,280
and whether you choose to come

2399
01:30:17,628 --> 01:30:18,563
up and talk about, you know,

2400
01:30:18,563 --> 01:30:19,965
>> All right. Good evening.

2401
01:30:19,965 --> 01:30:20,832
City Council and doing okay to

2402
01:30:20,832 --> 01:30:21,700
have a chair of the efforts

2403
01:30:21,700 --> 01:30:22,401
were. Can you hear me? I just

2404
01:30:22,401 --> 01:30:23,502
a few things. I want to jump

2405
01:30:23,502 --> 01:30:26,502
into really quickly. First of

2406
01:30:27,439 --> 01:30:28,600
all, we don't file complaints.

2407
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:31,600
The board is not file

2408
01:30:31,910 --> 01:30:32,578
complaints. We don't hunt

2409
01:30:32,578 --> 01:30:35,578
people down the filing the

2410
01:30:35,614 --> 01:30:36,248
complaints is a right given to

2411
01:30:36,248 --> 01:30:38,117
citizens in almost every

2412
01:30:38,117 --> 01:30:38,851
municipality. That is a client

2413
01:30:38,851 --> 01:30:41,920
of mine. They are dealing with

2414
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:42,654
it on some level this is not

2415
01:30:42,654 --> 01:30:43,322
the board writing this because

2416
01:30:43,322 --> 01:30:46,322
we want you guys 100. I've

2417
01:30:46,358 --> 01:30:47,625
been dealing as a board member

2418
01:30:47,625 --> 01:30:48,327
with my own level unfair

2419
01:30:48,327 --> 01:30:51,327
exposure about things that I

2420
01:30:52,130 --> 01:30:52,798
had nothing to do with and

2421
01:30:52,798 --> 01:30:53,399
I've had, you know, public

2422
01:30:53,399 --> 01:30:54,990
statements about me not

2423
01:30:54,990 --> 01:30:55,667
knowing what I'm doing, what

2424
01:30:55,667 --> 01:30:58,667
I've been doing at for 30

2425
01:30:59,438 --> 01:31:00,672
years. So we understand what

2426
01:31:00,672 --> 01:31:01,807
it's like to be unfairly

2427
01:31:01,807 --> 01:31:02,508
accused of something. And

2428
01:31:02,508 --> 01:31:04,376
that's not what we're looking

2429
01:31:04,376 --> 01:31:05,430
for. So I think the thing that

2430
01:31:05,430 --> 01:31:05,677
we talked about is first of

2431
01:31:05,677 --> 01:31:07,580
all, we thought it was a

2432
01:31:07,580 --> 01:31:10,580
lowering of the standards not

2433
01:31:10,783 --> 01:31:11,483
only for you but for city

2434
01:31:11,483 --> 01:31:12,150
advisory numbers and that the

2435
01:31:12,150 --> 01:31:13,152
public would probably have

2436
01:31:13,152 --> 01:31:16,152
something to say about it.

2437
01:31:16,588 --> 01:31:17,388
There's also a contradiction

2438
01:31:17,388 --> 01:31:17,957
in that we have parts of the

2439
01:31:17,957 --> 01:31:19,424
covid or dealing with

2440
01:31:19,424 --> 01:31:21,824
conflicts of interest that

2441
01:31:23,295 --> 01:31:24,790
have to your windows. And so

2442
01:31:24,790 --> 01:31:24,530
we were trying to be

2443
01:31:24,530 --> 01:31:25,231
consistent across the board

2444
01:31:25,231 --> 01:31:27,900
with that. That was primarily

2445
01:31:27,900 --> 01:31:28,601
way we did the other thing is

2446
01:31:28,601 --> 01:31:30,636
that the contradiction is on

2447
01:31:30,636 --> 01:31:34,306
the one hand, we say that we

2448
01:31:34,306 --> 01:31:34,974
don't want Have complaints

2449
01:31:34,974 --> 01:31:37,374
against advisory members or

2450
01:31:37,443 --> 01:31:38,177
City Council once they leave.

2451
01:31:38,177 --> 01:31:39,879
But on the other hand, we want

2452
01:31:39,879 --> 01:31:41,914
to talk about whether or not

2453
01:31:41,914 --> 01:31:44,914
complaint is valid based upon

2454
01:31:45,885 --> 01:31:46,886
when that incident occurred

2455
01:31:46,886 --> 01:31:48,854
versus when it was somebody

2456
01:31:48,854 --> 01:31:50,220
was made aware of it. And

2457
01:31:50,220 --> 01:31:52,220
theoretically speaking someone

2458
01:31:52,824 --> 01:31:53,960
might not become aware of

2459
01:31:53,960 --> 01:31:55,940
something until 2 years later

2460
01:31:55,940 --> 01:31:56,595
so it's kind of one of those.

2461
01:31:56,595 --> 01:31:57,263
Trying to get the street now

2462
01:31:57,263 --> 01:32:00,263
because our board has been

2463
01:32:01,467 --> 01:32:02,168
working on this since 2022, we

2464
01:32:02,168 --> 01:32:04,669
had 2 and a report to replace

2465
01:32:04,669 --> 01:32:07,669
that we submitted with several

2466
01:32:08,141 --> 01:32:08,774
other recommendations other

2467
01:32:08,774 --> 01:32:09,442
than this and we've been

2468
01:32:09,442 --> 01:32:12,442
waiting and kind of kicking

2469
01:32:12,845 --> 01:32:13,945
the can down the the road for

2470
01:32:13,945 --> 01:32:14,680
a lot of different things that

2471
01:32:14,680 --> 01:32:15,347
we're asking for. So it's not

2472
01:32:15,347 --> 01:32:17,549
I mean, I know that these 2

2473
01:32:17,549 --> 01:32:18,684
things are important to you as

2474
01:32:18,684 --> 01:32:19,384
well. But we have other things

2475
01:32:19,384 --> 01:32:22,288
that we're actually trying to

2476
01:32:22,288 --> 01:32:23,388
focus on one of them was, you

2477
01:32:23,388 --> 01:32:24,557
know, whether or not the city

2478
01:32:24,557 --> 01:32:25,224
manager could request advisory

2479
01:32:25,224 --> 01:32:28,224
teams as other things that

2480
01:32:28,528 --> 01:32:29,195
we're trying to get our board.

2481
01:32:29,195 --> 01:32:32,795
Cooper said so that we can

2482
01:32:33,320 --> 01:32:33,766
represent the public quickly.

2483
01:32:33,766 --> 01:32:34,500
So that's where we If you have

2484
01:32:34,500 --> 01:32:38,100
any questions for me. Happy to

2485
01:32:39,438 --> 01:32:41,838
answer Frederick Johnson. And

2486
01:32:42,976 --> 01:32:43,709
then the mayor Matthews.

2487
01:32:43,709 --> 01:32:46,109
>> Thank you for straightening

2488
01:32:49,115 --> 01:32:52,150
that I guess kind of like

2489
01:32:52,150 --> 01:32:54,550
what? Councilmember Dietz was

2490
01:32:54,787 --> 01:32:57,891
saying. How do we resolve this

2491
01:32:57,891 --> 01:33:00,727
right. First of all, one of

2492
01:33:00,727 --> 01:33:03,196
the things that. Is important

2493
01:33:03,196 --> 01:33:05,498
to me is the. When people

2494
01:33:05,498 --> 01:33:07,898
leave. 2 years after they

2495
01:33:10,704 --> 01:33:14,274
leave. I know you guys are not

2496
01:33:14,274 --> 01:33:14,974
in this

2497
01:33:14,974 --> 01:33:18,244
>> And and I know that. Yeah,

2498
01:33:18,244 --> 01:33:20,513
it seems to me that the way to

2499
01:33:20,513 --> 01:33:24,713
kind of come to some sort of

2500
01:33:24,984 --> 01:33:26,285
middle ground with that is it

2501
01:33:26,285 --> 01:33:29,285
should depend on whatever the

2502
01:33:30,223 --> 01:33:30,857
complaint is right. Because if

2503
01:33:30,857 --> 01:33:32,459
I'm gone to 2 years. And

2504
01:33:32,459 --> 01:33:35,459
somebody says, well, you know,

2505
01:33:37,229 --> 01:33:37,830
which has happened. She had so

2506
01:33:37,830 --> 01:33:38,564
and so on her election

2507
01:33:38,564 --> 01:33:40,700
committee and now she wants to

2508
01:33:40,700 --> 01:33:44,300
be on the committee that has

2509
01:33:45,238 --> 01:33:45,939
nothing to do with finances.

2510
01:33:45,939 --> 01:33:48,241
So if it if it has something

2511
01:33:48,241 --> 01:33:48,875
to do with city finances. I

2512
01:33:48,875 --> 01:33:52,475
can see have and maybe a

2513
01:33:53,345 --> 01:33:55,715
one-year period. But not to.

2514
01:33:55,715 --> 01:33:56,416
And I can't see that for every

2515
01:33:56,416 --> 01:33:59,252
complaint. I just you know, I

2516
01:33:59,252 --> 01:34:03,560
would like to get to a point

2517
01:34:03,560 --> 01:34:03,790
where we all can agree on

2518
01:34:03,790 --> 01:34:06,790
that's required. And when it's

2519
01:34:10,864 --> 01:34:13,800
not. As far ends. Now I forgot

2520
01:34:13,800 --> 01:34:15,402
what the other thing with Wait

2521
01:34:15,402 --> 01:34:17,802
a minute, just commitment.

2522
01:34:26,647 --> 01:34:29,349
That's coming. Then see note

2523
01:34:29,349 --> 01:34:29,816
accompanying the second I

2524
01:34:29,816 --> 01:34:30,450
start talking.

2525
01:34:30,450 --> 01:34:33,450
>> Thank you so much, for

2526
01:34:34,587 --> 01:34:35,187
being So my objective is to

2527
01:34:35,187 --> 01:34:37,691
get a scope static. So

2528
01:34:37,691 --> 01:34:40,627
whatever it takes to get us

2529
01:34:40,627 --> 01:34:41,762
there. I have a hard time

2530
01:34:41,762 --> 01:34:44,162
making decisions that affect

2531
01:34:46,990 --> 01:34:48,100
us. I think I haven't. I'm

2532
01:34:48,100 --> 01:34:48,702
easy. It's easy me to say. I

2533
01:34:48,702 --> 01:34:49,403
don't think that the citizen

2534
01:34:49,403 --> 01:34:51,803
volunteers should be subject

2535
01:34:52,773 --> 01:34:53,440
to something. 2 years later. I

2536
01:34:53,440 --> 01:34:56,743
just think with us. It's a

2537
01:34:56,743 --> 01:34:58,745
little touchy that even be

2538
01:34:58,745 --> 01:34:59,380
talking about ethics rules for

2539
01:34:59,380 --> 01:35:01,780
ourselves. I really think

2540
01:35:02,650 --> 01:35:04,750
that's your role. You've been

2541
01:35:04,750 --> 01:35:05,853
in position for several years.

2542
01:35:05,853 --> 01:35:07,487
This is your perfect. Like I

2543
01:35:07,487 --> 01:35:08,880
trust you. So I trust you to

2544
01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:09,957
say Council. This is my

2545
01:35:09,957 --> 01:35:12,357
recommendation. Let's do it.

2546
01:35:13,127 --> 01:35:13,826
Maybe we can compromise with

2547
01:35:13,826 --> 01:35:16,226
the citizen committees that 2

2548
01:35:17,970 --> 01:35:17,965
years aren't an issue,

2549
01:35:17,965 --> 01:35:19,300
especially we are all it's an

2550
01:35:19,300 --> 01:35:19,867
election season we're seeing,

2551
01:35:19,867 --> 01:35:20,568
you know, facebook in

2552
01:35:20,568 --> 01:35:21,535
Bainbridge Islanders and all

2553
01:35:21,535 --> 01:35:24,535
of those things saying that

2554
01:35:25,205 --> 01:35:25,973
folks, you know, are

2555
01:35:25,973 --> 01:35:26,673
benefiting from for instance,

2556
01:35:26,673 --> 01:35:29,673
the 65, you know, things that

2557
01:35:30,878 --> 01:35:31,979
are not true. We know they're

2558
01:35:31,979 --> 01:35:33,114
not 2, but to then turn around

2559
01:35:33,114 --> 01:35:34,248
and say, oh, by the way,

2560
01:35:34,248 --> 01:35:37,248
you're going to decrease the

2561
01:35:37,951 --> 01:35:39,820
efficacy of our ethics program

2562
01:35:39,820 --> 01:35:41,756
or change the terms of that we

2563
01:35:41,756 --> 01:35:44,625
are not accountable to me.

2564
01:35:44,625 --> 01:35:46,894
Seems the wrong time, wrong

2565
01:35:46,894 --> 01:35:47,862
place so it seems so my let's

2566
01:35:47,862 --> 01:35:50,798
get called a static. You tell

2567
01:35:50,798 --> 01:35:51,799
us what to do and maybe the

2568
01:35:51,799 --> 01:35:53,000
citizen committees will not be

2569
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:53,968
subject to anything 2 years

2570
01:35:53,968 --> 01:35:54,635
prior. But I think for us

2571
01:35:54,635 --> 01:35:57,350
we're elected officials. We

2572
01:35:58,390 --> 01:35:58,672
signed up for this. We take

2573
01:35:58,672 --> 01:36:02,272
the good with the bad and

2574
01:36:05,312 --> 01:36:07,248
sometimes the bat.

2575
01:36:07,248 --> 01:36:10,248
>> You responded that I don't

2576
01:36:12,220 --> 01:36:13,254
know what this. Funny. I was

2577
01:36:13,254 --> 01:36:14,222
going to say that one of the

2578
01:36:14,222 --> 01:36:15,122
reasons why this originally

2579
01:36:15,122 --> 01:36:15,923
started with 12 months is

2580
01:36:15,923 --> 01:36:18,250
because we were trying to

2581
01:36:18,250 --> 01:36:18,993
actually come up with some

2582
01:36:18,993 --> 01:36:19,994
happy medium. We did not want

2583
01:36:19,994 --> 01:36:21,562
to do 2 years. The only reason

2584
01:36:21,562 --> 01:36:22,296
why we went back to 2 years

2585
01:36:22,296 --> 01:36:22,997
later. It because we recognize

2586
01:36:22,997 --> 01:36:24,332
that there's 2 years already

2587
01:36:24,332 --> 01:36:25,320
in the code for other things.

2588
01:36:25,320 --> 01:36:25,633
And so we thought, well, why

2589
01:36:25,633 --> 01:36:28,633
not just make sure it's

2590
01:36:29,303 --> 01:36:32,303
consistent. There is a valid

2591
01:36:33,400 --> 01:36:34,342
argument to be. They made

2592
01:36:34,342 --> 01:36:35,420
advocating strongly for your

2593
01:36:35,420 --> 01:36:38,579
own exclusion is south of the

2594
01:36:38,579 --> 01:36:39,280
form of self-dealing on the I

2595
01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:39,914
don't. That's not for me to

2596
01:36:39,914 --> 01:36:40,947
say. But I would say that

2597
01:36:40,947 --> 01:36:43,947
we're trying to be sensitive

2598
01:36:44,919 --> 01:36:46,154
to that for the public sake.

2599
01:36:46,154 --> 01:36:46,787
And we are very sympathetic to

2600
01:36:46,787 --> 01:36:49,187
frivolous claims. We have

2601
01:36:49,990 --> 01:36:50,658
tried very hard to emphasized

2602
01:36:50,658 --> 01:36:53,194
over and over again that we

2603
01:36:53,194 --> 01:36:54,428
are educational. Our mission

2604
01:36:54,428 --> 01:36:55,496
is educational and we know

2605
01:36:55,496 --> 01:36:56,464
we've been weaponized in the

2606
01:36:56,464 --> 01:36:58,232
past. And so we have really

2607
01:36:58,232 --> 01:36:58,933
tried hard to make sure that

2608
01:36:58,933 --> 01:36:59,667
this you know, this is not a

2609
01:36:59,667 --> 01:37:02,669
witch hunt. This is not trying

2610
01:37:02,669 --> 01:37:04,305
to embarrass people. This is

2611
01:37:04,305 --> 01:37:05,390
an opportunity for us to take

2612
01:37:05,390 --> 01:37:05,740
that information back to the

2613
01:37:05,740 --> 01:37:07,408
public and say this is going

2614
01:37:07,408 --> 01:37:08,309
to be the standard of

2615
01:37:08,309 --> 01:37:11,279
governance. And this MAY have

2616
01:37:11,279 --> 01:37:12,413
been a violation of the code,

2617
01:37:12,413 --> 01:37:13,810
but there are several

2618
01:37:13,810 --> 01:37:15,481
subsections that say, well,

2619
01:37:18,190 --> 01:37:19,870
maybe this is something that.

2620
01:37:19,870 --> 01:37:21,550
Violated the covid. Maybe it

2621
01:37:21,550 --> 01:37:23,570
didn't rise to the level of,

2622
01:37:23,570 --> 01:37:23,691
you know, having someone sent

2623
01:37:23,691 --> 01:37:26,910
to this hearing examiner,

2624
01:37:26,861 --> 01:37:27,529
whatever. So we do make those

2625
01:37:27,529 --> 01:37:28,196
determinations. But another

2626
01:37:28,196 --> 01:37:29,531
final thing that I'm gonna

2627
01:37:29,531 --> 01:37:30,264
risk is you want to speak.

2628
01:37:30,264 --> 01:37:34,464
Final thing is going to say is

2629
01:37:35,302 --> 01:37:36,670
we have not. I shouldn't say

2630
01:37:36,670 --> 01:37:39,407
We have not been getting a lot

2631
01:37:39,407 --> 01:37:40,107
of complaints And and so we

2632
01:37:40,107 --> 01:37:41,409
don't know if that's because

2633
01:37:41,409 --> 01:37:43,809
you're doing great, which.

2634
01:37:45,413 --> 01:37:46,181
>> I wouldn't be surprised if

2635
01:37:46,181 --> 01:37:46,815
you work for people to kind of

2636
01:37:46,815 --> 01:37:49,815
pausing and not trying to

2637
01:37:51,119 --> 01:37:53,321
weaponize this as much so I

2638
01:37:53,321 --> 01:37:54,456
take that as you will. But we

2639
01:37:54,456 --> 01:37:55,523
are trying we're just trying

2640
01:37:55,523 --> 01:37:59,723
to move forward in a way that

2641
01:38:02,864 --> 01:38:03,565
that public trust.

2642
01:38:03,565 --> 01:38:06,565
>> The other lights on who's

2643
01:38:07,636 --> 01:38:08,203
next to Milwaukee and then

2644
01:38:08,203 --> 01:38:08,836
counselor Schneider.

2645
01:38:08,836 --> 01:38:10,939
>> Thank you your opening

2646
01:38:10,939 --> 01:38:11,606
comment. I would. I don't

2647
01:38:11,606 --> 01:38:14,606
think anybody it's nice was

2648
01:38:14,943 --> 01:38:15,644
assuming that who was the.

2649
01:38:15,644 --> 01:38:16,277
Ethics board wanted to do it

2650
01:38:16,277 --> 01:38:18,677
with thinking of someone

2651
01:38:19,470 --> 01:38:19,847
bringing stuff to you. So I

2652
01:38:19,847 --> 01:38:20,515
hope you didn't think that we

2653
01:38:20,515 --> 01:38:23,118
were suggesting that it was

2654
01:38:23,118 --> 01:38:23,819
members of the board. And as

2655
01:38:23,819 --> 01:38:26,254
usual, I learn a lot when I'm

2656
01:38:26,254 --> 01:38:26,955
always talking with you and I

2657
01:38:26,955 --> 01:38:31,590
did not know of section e of

2658
01:38:31,590 --> 01:38:31,626
article 2, that establishes a

2659
01:38:31,626 --> 01:38:32,226
two-year post service

2660
01:38:32,226 --> 01:38:34,226
restriction on specific

2661
01:38:35,229 --> 01:38:38,229
actions. Was news to me.

2662
01:38:40,602 --> 01:38:42,537
Really so it's there. My

2663
01:38:42,537 --> 01:38:43,271
question would thank you for

2664
01:38:43,271 --> 01:38:43,939
saying about frivolous because

2665
01:38:43,939 --> 01:38:46,939
there are people could lead

2666
01:38:48,644 --> 01:38:49,611
anything. But I was trying to

2667
01:38:49,611 --> 01:38:50,278
align with. What are the state

2668
01:38:50,278 --> 01:38:52,314
codes of ethics, which is a

2669
01:38:52,314 --> 01:38:54,516
pretty narrow use. And on that

2670
01:38:54,516 --> 01:38:56,916
case that seemed like

2671
01:38:58,220 --> 01:38:58,854
somewhere down the You know,

2672
01:38:58,854 --> 01:39:01,123
took the city car without

2673
01:39:01,123 --> 01:39:01,857
permission to go to.

2674
01:39:01,857 --> 01:39:04,257
Vancouver, something like that

2675
01:39:06,662 --> 01:39:07,228
but never reported it. Couple

2676
01:39:07,228 --> 01:39:07,863
usually that's worth

2677
01:39:07,863 --> 01:39:08,597
investigating. That's an

2678
01:39:08,597 --> 01:39:09,297
improper use of city material,

2679
01:39:09,297 --> 01:39:10,265
city property. So that's the

2680
01:39:10,265 --> 01:39:13,865
kind of thing that I think

2681
01:39:15,103 --> 01:39:15,804
would be worth that. I just

2682
01:39:15,804 --> 01:39:19,404
want to make sure 5 Cone. And

2683
01:39:20,708 --> 01:39:21,443
so if we don't do this and I

2684
01:39:21,443 --> 01:39:23,812
was also stunned to think that

2685
01:39:23,812 --> 01:39:24,680
our volunteers are also part

2686
01:39:24,680 --> 01:39:25,547
of this that could have a

2687
01:39:25,547 --> 01:39:29,147
chilling effect of want to be

2688
01:39:29,618 --> 01:39:30,219
a volunteer that you might you

2689
01:39:30,219 --> 01:39:30,919
might not want to apply

2690
01:39:30,919 --> 01:39:31,586
knowing that if the U.S. And

2691
01:39:31,586 --> 01:39:34,188
one little thing that might

2692
01:39:34,188 --> 01:39:34,923
have interpreted by someone

2693
01:39:34,923 --> 01:39:38,270
else that going to be hounded.

2694
01:39:38,270 --> 01:39:38,727
You know, you're an athlete or

2695
01:39:38,727 --> 01:39:39,427
I don't want that and we more

2696
01:39:39,427 --> 01:39:42,427
people to volunteer, not not

2697
01:39:44,400 --> 01:39:45,667
shy them away. I'm just

2698
01:39:45,667 --> 01:39:46,302
putting his thoughts out there

2699
01:39:46,302 --> 01:39:47,200
having a great discussion

2700
01:39:47,200 --> 01:39:47,669
appear it is a study session.

2701
01:39:47,669 --> 01:39:50,669
So what we're studying the

2702
01:39:53,750 --> 01:39:53,776
issue allowed. Thank you.

2703
01:39:53,776 --> 01:39:56,176
>> Because for Schneider and

2704
01:39:57,512 --> 01:39:58,247
then councilmember Thank you.

2705
01:39:58,247 --> 01:40:00,582
Deputy mayor Daniel, thank you

2706
01:40:00,582 --> 01:40:03,582
very much for the thoughtful.

2707
01:40:05,988 --> 01:40:06,655
Memo and pointing out the.

2708
01:40:06,655 --> 01:40:09,550
>> In consistencies or, you

2709
01:40:10,860 --> 01:40:11,560
know, the treatment of it.

2710
01:40:11,560 --> 01:40:14,560
>> I'm imagining that you and

2711
01:40:17,500 --> 01:40:18,233
your team have. Gandhi on this

2712
01:40:18,233 --> 01:40:20,200
issue and come up with quite a

2713
01:40:20,200 --> 01:40:21,837
few hypotheticals. I'm

2714
01:40:21,837 --> 01:40:24,237
wondering if you could.

2715
01:40:24,941 --> 01:40:25,641
>> Share.

2716
01:40:25,641 --> 01:40:26,908
>> I think what we're talking

2717
01:40:26,908 --> 01:40:30,508
about is the public good here,

2718
01:40:30,846 --> 01:40:31,580
right. And we're not talking

2719
01:40:31,580 --> 01:40:33,980
about criminality because that

2720
01:40:35,451 --> 01:40:38,787
is a different system and that

2721
01:40:38,787 --> 01:40:42,387
yeah, you'll get hunted But in

2722
01:40:42,692 --> 01:40:43,559
terms of public good

2723
01:40:43,559 --> 01:40:45,228
councilmember more waukee.

2724
01:40:45,228 --> 01:40:45,928
Maybe just suggested

2725
01:40:45,928 --> 01:40:46,628
hypothetical situation where

2726
01:40:46,628 --> 01:40:49,628
somebody a couple years ago.

2727
01:40:50,466 --> 01:40:51,000
You know, it took and it took

2728
01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:53,400
city vehicle use it

2729
01:40:56,606 --> 01:40:58,606
inappropriately. Carrying that

2730
01:41:01,430 --> 01:41:01,844
forward. I'm wondering, ok,

2731
01:41:01,844 --> 01:41:05,444
what would the public can good

2732
01:41:07,717 --> 01:41:08,350
be in. Following up with that

2733
01:41:08,350 --> 01:41:10,350
particular councilmember,

2734
01:41:14,490 --> 01:41:17,360
let's say. And what would the

2735
01:41:17,360 --> 01:41:18,561
consequences be. You know,

2736
01:41:18,561 --> 01:41:19,628
Sir, chest dicing them or the

2737
01:41:19,628 --> 01:41:21,264
raising the issue so that

2738
01:41:21,264 --> 01:41:22,398
other people are very aware

2739
01:41:22,398 --> 01:41:23,127
that, you know that. That's an

2740
01:41:23,127 --> 01:41:25,527
inappropriate use of public

2741
01:41:25,735 --> 01:41:26,468
vehicles or something like

2742
01:41:26,468 --> 01:41:27,136
that. So just wondering if you

2743
01:41:27,136 --> 01:41:29,536
have any thoughts examples

2744
01:41:29,772 --> 01:41:32,772
about what. Public good would

2745
01:41:41,518 --> 01:41:43,152
be. In following up. I don't

2746
01:41:43,152 --> 01:41:43,853
know. Inappropriate whatever's

2747
01:41:43,853 --> 01:41:44,487
them mean it has to come from

2748
01:41:44,487 --> 01:41:45,188
the public somewhere that

2749
01:41:45,188 --> 01:41:48,188
somebody is being, you know,

2750
01:41:52,962 --> 01:41:55,799
it not charge. That sounds.

2751
01:41:55,799 --> 01:41:56,465
>> Somebody is being

2752
01:41:56,465 --> 01:41:57,533
incriminated What are your

2753
01:41:57,533 --> 01:41:57,833
thoughts on the public good in

2754
01:41:57,833 --> 01:41:59,302
that

2755
01:41:59,302 --> 01:42:02,302
>> I would say that. The

2756
01:42:02,906 --> 01:42:03,573
public. Has to decide what to

2757
01:42:03,573 --> 01:42:06,573
the interest of the public

2758
01:42:07,811 --> 01:42:08,544
good.

2759
01:42:08,544 --> 01:42:09,278
>> And our job is to make sure

2760
01:42:09,278 --> 01:42:12,415
that we're looking at the code

2761
01:42:12,415 --> 01:42:14,815
and making an objective

2762
01:42:15,985 --> 01:42:16,686
determination. So for us what

2763
01:42:16,686 --> 01:42:17,353
we just kicked around in one

2764
01:42:17,353 --> 01:42:19,588
of our most recent meetings

2765
01:42:19,588 --> 01:42:21,988
was the word significant.

2766
01:42:24,628 --> 01:42:25,328
Significant private or.

2767
01:42:25,328 --> 01:42:26,963
Financial interest. When you

2768
01:42:26,963 --> 01:42:28,963
talk about conflict,

2769
01:42:29,332 --> 01:42:30,200
significant, not just someone

2770
01:42:30,200 --> 01:42:30,901
saying you did this and now

2771
01:42:30,901 --> 01:42:33,670
I'm filing a complaint. They

2772
01:42:33,670 --> 01:42:34,404
have a right to do that. But

2773
01:42:34,404 --> 01:42:35,972
one were deliberating. We have

2774
01:42:35,972 --> 01:42:36,706
to make a decision with

2775
01:42:36,706 --> 01:42:39,976
counsel who's in the room with

2776
01:42:39,976 --> 01:42:41,311
us all the time about whether

2777
01:42:41,311 --> 01:42:42,212
or not something rose to the

2778
01:42:42,212 --> 01:42:45,182
level of a violation that will

2779
01:42:45,182 --> 01:42:45,915
require some type of a letter

2780
01:42:45,915 --> 01:42:46,616
of determination. Maria saying

2781
01:42:46,616 --> 01:42:49,860
that there was a violation of

2782
01:42:49,860 --> 01:42:49,986
these to go to the next step.

2783
01:42:49,986 --> 01:42:50,687
Sometimes when we are doing

2784
01:42:50,687 --> 01:42:53,687
something that has not risen

2785
01:42:54,240 --> 01:42:54,725
to that level. We do a letter

2786
01:42:54,725 --> 01:42:57,327
of dismissal, but we take the

2787
01:42:57,327 --> 01:42:58,610
opportunity in that document

2788
01:42:58,610 --> 01:43:00,830
to reiterate what the code is,

2789
01:43:00,830 --> 01:43:01,531
why it's good to follow it and

2790
01:43:01,531 --> 01:43:04,531
what people should be paying

2791
01:43:04,801 --> 01:43:05,835
attention to weather out there

2792
01:43:05,835 --> 01:43:06,570
representing the public as

2793
01:43:06,570 --> 01:43:08,205
government official or even as

2794
01:43:08,205 --> 01:43:08,871
a city buys a group member.

2795
01:43:08,871 --> 01:43:11,871
It's just a reminder. It's

2796
01:43:14,770 --> 01:43:14,778
educational. I get your point

2797
01:43:14,778 --> 01:43:15,879
that there's some people that

2798
01:43:15,879 --> 01:43:16,580
are going to weaponize it and

2799
01:43:16,580 --> 01:43:17,781
think that something was more

2800
01:43:17,781 --> 01:43:20,181
egregious, that ultimately we

2801
01:43:21,518 --> 01:43:22,719
may decide it was. But in

2802
01:43:22,719 --> 01:43:23,386
terms of what the public good.

2803
01:43:23,386 --> 01:43:25,786
Unfortunately, they have a

2804
01:43:26,557 --> 01:43:27,257
right to decide that. And the

2805
01:43:27,257 --> 01:43:30,600
best thing for us to do is to

2806
01:43:30,600 --> 01:43:31,280
make sure that we're doing our

2807
01:43:31,280 --> 01:43:31,662
job appropriately with the

2808
01:43:31,662 --> 01:43:34,662
best code to support that

2809
01:43:40,404 --> 01:43:40,737
decision making. Council

2810
01:43:40,737 --> 01:43:41,405
member.

2811
01:43:41,405 --> 01:43:42,639
>> Hi topless. Yeah, just a

2812
01:43:42,639 --> 01:43:44,642
couple things. I am just still

2813
01:43:44,642 --> 01:43:45,442
trying grapple with how this

2814
01:43:45,442 --> 01:43:46,143
works. So one thing I

2815
01:43:46,143 --> 01:43:46,844
understand it means there is

2816
01:43:46,844 --> 01:43:48,345
an educational component. And

2817
01:43:48,345 --> 01:43:51,945
then there is center. There is

2818
01:43:52,820 --> 01:43:52,816
you know, there's there's that

2819
01:43:52,816 --> 01:43:55,816
potentially going to a hearing

2820
01:43:57,540 --> 01:43:57,788
examiner process etc and this

2821
01:43:57,788 --> 01:43:59,560
is trend or stand on the slide

2822
01:43:59,560 --> 01:44:00,124
is they want to appeal to

2823
01:44:00,124 --> 01:44:00,824
Andrew city. It It's a tourney

2824
01:44:00,824 --> 01:44:03,961
other we MAY appear to answer

2825
01:44:03,961 --> 01:44:05,963
is how there even is. How the

2826
01:44:05,963 --> 01:44:07,932
city can reach out like this

2827
01:44:07,932 --> 01:44:08,632
and go after somebody I'm you

2828
01:44:08,632 --> 01:44:11,632
know, I'm just imagine myself

2829
01:44:12,970 --> 01:44:14,705
to shun now and some and I'm

2830
01:44:14,705 --> 01:44:16,574
being called out for something

2831
01:44:16,574 --> 01:44:17,441
and it MAY not be this ethics

2832
01:44:17,441 --> 01:44:18,175
committee that we've the in

2833
01:44:18,175 --> 01:44:21,245
board that we have great faith

2834
01:44:21,245 --> 01:44:22,246
could be some other random

2835
01:44:22,246 --> 01:44:24,114
people. And you know, they're

2836
01:44:24,114 --> 01:44:24,815
not as good at filtering this

2837
01:44:24,815 --> 01:44:25,549
and all this. And I'm suppose

2838
01:44:25,549 --> 01:44:29,149
take my resources and my time

2839
01:44:30,540 --> 01:44:30,721
to answer a city ethics code

2840
01:44:30,721 --> 01:44:33,121
violation. 2 years after my

2841
01:44:34,190 --> 01:44:34,859
term in office. So I would do

2842
01:44:34,859 --> 01:44:35,492
it here for and about that.

2843
01:44:35,492 --> 01:44:36,260
And then I wanted to talk

2844
01:44:36,260 --> 01:44:39,260
about this. You know, the

2845
01:44:39,764 --> 01:44:40,630
public nothing would stop the

2846
01:44:40,630 --> 01:44:42,666
ethics board moving a program

2847
01:44:42,666 --> 01:44:43,301
where and if a complete was

2848
01:44:43,301 --> 01:44:45,301
brought within 2 years, 3

2849
01:44:46,300 --> 01:44:46,570
years or whatever afterwards

2850
01:44:46,570 --> 01:44:48,205
to have a process for

2851
01:44:48,205 --> 01:44:51,205
utilizing the fact pattern to

2852
01:44:52,543 --> 01:44:53,611
do an educational finding.

2853
01:44:53,611 --> 01:44:55,580
What I'm really struggling

2854
01:44:55,580 --> 01:44:57,949
with is the jurisdiction

2855
01:44:57,949 --> 01:44:58,649
anybody here to censure or

2856
01:44:58,649 --> 01:44:59,483
make me get legal counsel of.

2857
01:44:59,483 --> 01:45:02,553
I want to defend myself of

2858
01:45:02,553 --> 01:45:03,487
that hearings for it just

2859
01:45:03,487 --> 01:45:04,222
doesn't, you know, doesn't

2860
01:45:04,222 --> 01:45:04,889
make sense to me. And the last

2861
01:45:04,889 --> 01:45:08,489
thing I want to say flimsy

2862
01:45:10,761 --> 01:45:11,896
thing else. It is again our cw

2863
01:45:11,896 --> 01:45:12,930
that is out there the guards

2864
01:45:12,930 --> 01:45:13,564
to the big stuff, the stuff

2865
01:45:13,564 --> 01:45:15,964
really make people's hair

2866
01:45:18,350 --> 01:45:18,703
stand on end is still out

2867
01:45:18,703 --> 01:45:19,637
there is not necessarily. I

2868
01:45:19,637 --> 01:45:20,337
don't think even just all

2869
01:45:20,337 --> 01:45:23,937
criminal. I think it could be

2870
01:45:25,443 --> 01:45:27,511
but think it's fix. But yeah,

2871
01:45:27,511 --> 01:45:29,313
anything you can help with

2872
01:45:29,313 --> 01:45:31,482
that. Andrew with regards to

2873
01:45:31,482 --> 01:45:32,850
that, how the city reaches

2874
01:45:32,850 --> 01:45:33,518
gets me 2 years later and then

2875
01:45:33,518 --> 01:45:36,518
on then also been fredonia.

2876
01:45:37,154 --> 01:45:37,855
Any idea about is the

2877
01:45:37,855 --> 01:45:38,555
possibility of capturing the

2878
01:45:38,555 --> 01:45:40,955
fact pattern for educational

2879
01:45:41,492 --> 01:45:42,493
purposes rather than putting

2880
01:45:42,493 --> 01:45:43,160
us or committee members.

2881
01:45:43,160 --> 01:45:43,861
Anybody in the position of

2882
01:45:43,861 --> 01:45:46,497
having to participate in some

2883
01:45:46,497 --> 01:45:49,497
sort of point of litigation

2884
01:45:50,634 --> 01:45:51,200
Council member of great

2885
01:45:51,200 --> 01:45:51,702
question.

2886
01:45:51,702 --> 01:45:54,102
>> And fundamentally, as you

2887
01:45:54,806 --> 01:45:56,806
mentioned, it's about

2888
01:45:57,242 --> 01:45:57,909
jurisdiction. And just quickly

2889
01:45:57,909 --> 01:45:58,543
looked up the program and I

2890
01:45:58,543 --> 01:46:02,143
think if you look at the

2891
01:46:02,981 --> 01:46:03,815
potential. Consequences and

2892
01:46:03,815 --> 01:46:04,449
ramifications of a violation

2893
01:46:04,449 --> 01:46:07,449
of the ethics program. It

2894
01:46:08,853 --> 01:46:09,487
tells you a lot. The potential

2895
01:46:09,487 --> 01:46:11,887
consequences could be at

2896
01:46:12,724 --> 01:46:13,458
mission reprimand censure and

2897
01:46:13,458 --> 01:46:16,458
other sanctions MAY be imposed

2898
01:46:17,995 --> 01:46:19,297
for court of law equity. And

2899
01:46:19,297 --> 01:46:20,865
really these of these it from

2900
01:46:20,865 --> 01:46:22,467
my perspective, these

2901
01:46:22,467 --> 01:46:23,168
potential consequences are

2902
01:46:23,168 --> 01:46:26,137
already within the purview of

2903
01:46:26,137 --> 01:46:26,705
City Council. City Council can

2904
01:46:26,705 --> 01:46:29,105
you know issue formal

2905
01:46:30,174 --> 01:46:31,142
reprimand, a of a committee

2906
01:46:31,142 --> 01:46:31,875
member or or a commission

2907
01:46:31,875 --> 01:46:34,875
member but that doesn't really

2908
01:46:35,947 --> 01:46:36,948
have any sort of, you know,

2909
01:46:36,948 --> 01:46:37,749
potential fine, for example,

2910
01:46:37,749 --> 01:46:40,351
you don't have to 10 show

2911
01:46:40,351 --> 01:46:41,186
criminal time. Things like

2912
01:46:41,186 --> 01:46:44,880
that. So it is kind of a

2913
01:46:44,880 --> 01:46:44,856
tricky situation. We find

2914
01:46:44,856 --> 01:46:48,456
ourselves So I guess to put

2915
01:46:50,495 --> 01:46:51,429
more bluntly. You know. The

2916
01:46:51,429 --> 01:46:52,130
jurisdiction that the City

2917
01:46:52,130 --> 01:46:55,130
Council has his comfort with

2918
01:46:55,500 --> 01:46:58,170
through the program and City

2919
01:46:58,170 --> 01:46:58,870
Council has that ability to do

2920
01:46:58,870 --> 01:47:00,872
that simply because the City

2921
01:47:00,872 --> 01:47:01,573
Council is the ability to to

2922
01:47:01,573 --> 01:47:04,843
censure and on mission to was

2923
01:47:04,843 --> 01:47:08,443
already. I'm not sure if it

2924
01:47:11,490 --> 01:47:11,750
answer to question. But. Like

2925
01:47:11,750 --> 01:47:13,251
>> But we're talking a former

2926
01:47:13,251 --> 01:47:13,919
council members so and I

2927
01:47:13,919 --> 01:47:15,987
realize is that because I

2928
01:47:15,987 --> 01:47:17,389
mean, there is a harm and the

2929
01:47:17,389 --> 01:47:18,724
harm is patients cetera. And

2930
01:47:18,724 --> 01:47:19,358
you realize that we're

2931
01:47:19,358 --> 01:47:20,250
probably so that when the

2932
01:47:20,250 --> 01:47:23,250
shadow of the public figure

2933
01:47:23,394 --> 01:47:24,462
stuff. So we don't really the

2934
01:47:24,462 --> 01:47:26,631
claim. But whether we can

2935
01:47:26,631 --> 01:47:27,332
pursue a claim successfully

2936
01:47:27,332 --> 01:47:28,367
about being, you know, about

2937
01:47:28,367 --> 01:47:29,670
being censured, being an

2938
01:47:29,670 --> 01:47:31,467
obstacle 2 years after we've

2939
01:47:32,437 --> 01:47:35,107
been out of office. It's it's

2940
01:47:35,107 --> 01:47:37,109
a car. So I guess point that I

2941
01:47:37,109 --> 01:47:37,776
see that it MAY not be her

2942
01:47:37,776 --> 01:47:39,111
measurable enough that, you

2943
01:47:39,111 --> 01:47:40,111
know, we care about

2944
01:47:40,111 --> 01:47:41,146
jurisdiction. But on the other

2945
01:47:41,146 --> 01:47:42,181
hand, the City Council is

2946
01:47:42,181 --> 01:47:42,881
asserting jurisdiction over

2947
01:47:42,881 --> 01:47:45,881
people are no longer members

2948
01:47:46,185 --> 01:47:46,985
of their body.

2949
01:47:46,985 --> 01:47:47,686
>> Excellent point. And I

2950
01:47:47,686 --> 01:47:51,286
think that's kind of a policy

2951
01:47:51,990 --> 01:47:52,591
point that you product. And I

2952
01:47:52,591 --> 01:47:53,258
think that phone number

2953
01:47:53,258 --> 01:47:55,658
correctly, you're a former

2954
01:47:57,563 --> 01:47:58,297
assistant city attorney. How

2955
01:47:58,297 --> 01:48:00,632
was the one who developed this

2956
01:48:00,632 --> 01:48:04,232
program. I think he or she

2957
01:48:04,569 --> 01:48:05,804
carefully crafted the

2958
01:48:05,804 --> 01:48:07,206
potential consequences knowing

2959
01:48:07,206 --> 01:48:07,906
you know that there's

2960
01:48:07,906 --> 01:48:10,420
potential harm involved. But

2961
01:48:10,420 --> 01:48:10,709
there's also jurisdictional

2962
01:48:10,709 --> 01:48:11,276
issues involved. So it's a

2963
01:48:11,276 --> 01:48:13,276
careful balance. Find

2964
01:48:19,218 --> 01:48:21,186
ourselves in.

2965
01:48:21,186 --> 01:48:23,186
>> Councilmember federal yet

2966
01:48:26,892 --> 01:48:27,726
so moving forward from this. I

2967
01:48:27,726 --> 01:48:31,797
What I'd like to see the you

2968
01:48:31,797 --> 01:48:34,300
said there were. Things list

2969
01:48:34,300 --> 01:48:36,700
already in the code.

2970
01:48:40,840 --> 01:48:42,508
>> That apply to 2 years.

2971
01:48:42,508 --> 01:48:43,142
>> I guess I don't know what

2972
01:48:43,142 --> 01:48:45,744
those and what what would

2973
01:48:45,744 --> 01:48:46,812
apply.

2974
01:48:46,812 --> 01:48:49,212
>> After 2 years that someone

2975
01:48:51,500 --> 01:48:52,284
is gone. What what? Instance

2976
01:48:52,284 --> 01:48:55,321
of what issue could they have

2977
01:48:55,321 --> 01:48:58,321
committed that now you can

2978
01:48:58,391 --> 01:48:59,125
come 2 years and say we would

2979
01:48:59,125 --> 01:49:03,296
like you to come today here in

2980
01:49:03,296 --> 01:49:03,995
Boardman. Explain yourself.

2981
01:49:03,995 --> 01:49:07,595
>> So part of that code talks

2982
01:49:09,168 --> 01:49:09,801
a ploy you know, like whether

2983
01:49:09,801 --> 01:49:12,638
or not you're able to be

2984
01:49:12,638 --> 01:49:13,872
employed by the city after

2985
01:49:13,872 --> 01:49:15,700
serving. And so that's a

2986
01:49:15,700 --> 01:49:16,776
two-year period. You can't

2987
01:49:16,776 --> 01:49:18,440
really work for the city for 2

2988
01:49:18,440 --> 01:49:18,744
years after you're I think

2989
01:49:18,744 --> 01:49:20,460
another one in there is still

2990
01:49:20,460 --> 01:49:22,460
regarding. Significant

2991
01:49:22,348 --> 01:49:24,348
financial. Conflict of

2992
01:49:25,218 --> 01:49:27,152
interest. So those are the

2993
01:49:27,152 --> 01:49:29,552
main too. And their

2994
01:49:31,890 --> 01:49:33,890
reasonable.

2995
01:49:36,162 --> 01:49:37,960
>> Yeah. So so what what what

2996
01:49:37,960 --> 01:49:38,431
the premise is than that

2997
01:49:38,431 --> 01:49:40,366
because the there are other

2998
01:49:40,366 --> 01:49:40,933
things in there that have the

2999
01:49:40,933 --> 01:49:42,933
two-year period that

3000
01:49:45,405 --> 01:49:45,905
everything should have the

3001
01:49:45,905 --> 01:49:46,438
two-year period.

3002
01:49:46,438 --> 01:49:47,140
>> just a matter of

3003
01:49:47,140 --> 01:49:47,807
consistency. I mean, we also

3004
01:49:47,807 --> 01:49:50,807
offered one year. Good. But

3005
01:49:51,544 --> 01:49:52,211
the the issue wouldn't be

3006
01:49:52,211 --> 01:49:54,611
consistent. It's light. You

3007
01:49:55,281 --> 01:49:55,948
know, those 2 things I can see

3008
01:49:55,948 --> 01:49:58,551
right not being employed by

3009
01:49:58,551 --> 01:49:59,218
the city the 2 years. I get

3010
01:49:59,218 --> 01:49:59,852
that because you still MAY

3011
01:49:59,852 --> 01:50:02,252
have some knowledge or

3012
01:50:05,358 --> 01:50:06,920
whatever. And the financial I

3013
01:50:06,920 --> 01:50:08,594
get significant would want you

3014
01:50:08,594 --> 01:50:09,295
to commit fraud and then 2

3015
01:50:09,295 --> 01:50:11,798
years go away, which it with

3016
01:50:11,798 --> 01:50:15,398
your money right. But I don't

3017
01:50:15,902 --> 01:50:18,571
see anything else that I mean,

3018
01:50:18,571 --> 01:50:22,408
I guess what I would like to

3019
01:50:22,408 --> 01:50:23,109
is a list of things that the

3020
01:50:23,109 --> 01:50:26,109
ethics board thinks needs to

3021
01:50:27,113 --> 01:50:29,149
be 2 years after I'm gone.

3022
01:50:29,149 --> 01:50:29,849
>> I think the better question

3023
01:50:29,849 --> 01:50:30,550
for us is that we respect the

3024
01:50:30,550 --> 01:50:33,352
right that the public gets to

3025
01:50:33,352 --> 01:50:36,352
decide. What they feel. Is

3026
01:50:38,391 --> 01:50:39,325
that egregious or. In a fence

3027
01:50:39,325 --> 01:50:39,992
or a violation of potential

3028
01:50:39,992 --> 01:50:42,992
violation to file. We don't

3029
01:50:43,930 --> 01:50:44,596
want to tell them what they

3030
01:50:44,596 --> 01:50:45,298
should file. We are here

3031
01:50:45,298 --> 01:50:48,898
listen to them and to review

3032
01:50:50,503 --> 01:50:51,171
it when they do. It's not

3033
01:50:51,171 --> 01:50:53,573
perfect. I think that there

3034
01:50:53,573 --> 01:50:54,240
are 2 things that can happen

3035
01:50:54,240 --> 01:50:54,908
multiple things that could

3036
01:50:54,908 --> 01:50:55,575
happen. And I don't want to

3037
01:50:55,575 --> 01:50:56,176
insult your intelligence by

3038
01:50:56,176 --> 01:50:56,810
saying that, hey, we're

3039
01:50:56,810 --> 01:50:59,210
educational. There are no

3040
01:50:59,812 --> 01:51:00,512
ramifications certainly are.

3041
01:51:00,512 --> 01:51:01,848
Especially if you're going to

3042
01:51:01,848 --> 01:51:02,949
hearing examiner something

3043
01:51:02,949 --> 01:51:03,617
ends up in the paper, whatever

3044
01:51:03,617 --> 01:51:04,316
it is. On the flip side of

3045
01:51:04,316 --> 01:51:07,916
that, we've seen it to where

3046
01:51:09,890 --> 01:51:10,560
you it helps you to to make

3047
01:51:10,560 --> 01:51:11,691
your case of somebody making a

3048
01:51:11,691 --> 01:51:14,910
claim against Republic. That's

3049
01:51:14,528 --> 01:51:15,629
not true. And then you come

3050
01:51:15,629 --> 01:51:16,629
the ethics board and we review

3051
01:51:16,629 --> 01:51:18,310
that complaint and see that

3052
01:51:18,310 --> 01:51:19,650
there's no violation that ends

3053
01:51:19,650 --> 01:51:19,733
up helping you. So I mean, I

3054
01:51:19,733 --> 01:51:20,432
know we tend to look at the

3055
01:51:20,432 --> 01:51:21,568
worst part because those are

3056
01:51:21,568 --> 01:51:25,168
the ones that hurt the most.

3057
01:51:25,638 --> 01:51:26,839
But it's a broader issue that

3058
01:51:26,839 --> 01:51:28,742
we are looking at as a board.

3059
01:51:28,742 --> 01:51:30,644
We have to step back a little

3060
01:51:30,644 --> 01:51:31,344
bit and look at the code and

3061
01:51:31,344 --> 01:51:31,978
say what's the best possible

3062
01:51:31,978 --> 01:51:34,381
outcome here. What are we

3063
01:51:34,381 --> 01:51:36,249
trying to achieve and how can

3064
01:51:36,249 --> 01:51:39,519
we as a board make sure that

3065
01:51:39,519 --> 01:51:42,519
we are putting together the

3066
01:51:42,522 --> 01:51:43,857
most robust mindful code so

3067
01:51:43,857 --> 01:51:47,457
that the objective that we are

3068
01:51:47,994 --> 01:51:50,964
stating is is reached and so I

3069
01:51:50,964 --> 01:51:53,330
hear what you guys are I hope

3070
01:51:53,330 --> 01:51:53,900
you understand what we're

3071
01:51:53,900 --> 01:51:55,969
saying we'll just try to

3072
01:51:55,969 --> 01:51:56,770
figure something out but yeah,

3073
01:51:56,770 --> 01:51:57,837
agree that that's what we need

3074
01:51:57,837 --> 01:51:59,339
to do because the harm that I

3075
01:51:59,339 --> 01:52:01,339
see.

3076
01:52:03,243 --> 01:52:06,843
>> For me is that. You know,

3077
01:52:07,981 --> 01:52:09,983
someone brings a complaint

3078
01:52:09,983 --> 01:52:10,651
against me. Now, I'm I'm it

3079
01:52:10,651 --> 01:52:11,452
Ris loose in my day job now

3080
01:52:11,452 --> 01:52:11,819
because I've done some

3081
01:52:11,819 --> 01:52:13,819
conduct.

3082
01:52:15,456 --> 01:52:18,257
>> It's not ethical. You know,

3083
01:52:18,257 --> 01:52:19,526
and or so someone so it's it's

3084
01:52:19,526 --> 01:52:22,526
a double jeopardy. It's, you

3085
01:52:22,896 --> 01:52:26,266
know, so. And I know you guys

3086
01:52:26,266 --> 01:52:29,770
work hard too. We doubt these

3087
01:52:29,770 --> 01:52:32,170
frivolous complaints. And I

3088
01:52:34,740 --> 01:52:36,474
think because. The ethics

3089
01:52:37,144 --> 01:52:40,144
committee is no longer being

3090
01:52:40,748 --> 01:52:43,450
seen as a weapon is maybe why

3091
01:52:43,450 --> 01:52:44,184
you don't have so many

3092
01:52:44,184 --> 01:52:44,985
complaints anymore and that's

3093
01:52:44,985 --> 01:52:47,985
a good because the service

3094
01:52:49,230 --> 01:52:49,723
that you provide. We need that

3095
01:52:49,723 --> 01:52:50,391
is not like we're not saying

3096
01:52:50,391 --> 01:52:53,991
we don't want to be second

3097
01:52:54,294 --> 01:52:57,294
checked. We need that. And

3098
01:52:57,298 --> 01:52:58,899
because we know you when not

3099
01:52:58,899 --> 01:53:02,102
really enough with the we know

3100
01:53:02,102 --> 01:53:05,472
But that's what a good ethics

3101
01:53:05,472 --> 01:53:08,472
board does. Is it provides

3102
01:53:08,609 --> 01:53:09,676
that that layer of certainty

3103
01:53:09,676 --> 01:53:11,612
that you know, somebodys check

3104
01:53:11,612 --> 01:53:16,170
and me. I I wish we had that

3105
01:53:16,170 --> 01:53:18,718
and our government we don't

3106
01:53:18,718 --> 01:53:19,887
have that. So I just would be

3107
01:53:19,887 --> 01:53:22,890
happy to you know, I'm sure we

3108
01:53:22,890 --> 01:53:22,790
all would be happy to work

3109
01:53:22,790 --> 01:53:25,826
with with you guys to come to

3110
01:53:25,826 --> 01:53:27,795
some sort of level of

3111
01:53:27,795 --> 01:53:30,795
understanding where we can all

3112
01:53:31,766 --> 01:53:32,700
be happy with will never be

3113
01:53:32,700 --> 01:53:33,401
happy with you. Looking over

3114
01:53:33,401 --> 01:53:37,100
my But I understand the need

3115
01:53:40,942 --> 01:53:42,109
for it. But I I think it just

3116
01:53:42,109 --> 01:53:42,810
I understand the 2 that you

3117
01:53:42,810 --> 01:53:46,410
named. It makes sense for me.

3118
01:53:46,947 --> 01:53:48,316
The 2 year. But I'd like to

3119
01:53:48,316 --> 01:53:49,150
know what else need You know,

3120
01:53:49,150 --> 01:53:52,286
and I know you don't want tell

3121
01:53:52,286 --> 01:53:53,887
the public what they got say.

3122
01:53:53,887 --> 01:53:56,324
I wanted just to be open and

3123
01:53:56,324 --> 01:53:59,660
it could be anything. What has

3124
01:53:59,660 --> 01:54:00,361
to be the code.

3125
01:54:00,361 --> 01:54:02,330
>> But the other thing I want

3126
01:54:02,330 --> 01:54:06,167
to say is an example is when I

3127
01:54:06,167 --> 01:54:07,535
wasn't the chair, I was on the

3128
01:54:07,535 --> 01:54:09,170
board. We created the

3129
01:54:09,170 --> 01:54:09,836
subcommittee. And on that

3130
01:54:09,836 --> 01:54:10,571
subcommittee was a council

3131
01:54:10,571 --> 01:54:12,971
member deeds and councilmember

3132
01:54:14,208 --> 01:54:14,909
her topless and myself and a

3133
01:54:14,909 --> 01:54:15,610
chair. And we had discussion

3134
01:54:15,610 --> 01:54:19,210
because the issue that we had

3135
01:54:19,246 --> 01:54:20,281
actually brought to you was

3136
01:54:20,281 --> 01:54:20,914
redaction because we

3137
01:54:20,914 --> 01:54:21,582
understood that removing

3138
01:54:21,582 --> 01:54:23,582
information any identifying

3139
01:54:24,419 --> 01:54:25,860
information names companies,

3140
01:54:25,860 --> 01:54:25,753
any kind of references that

3141
01:54:25,753 --> 01:54:28,753
are in those documents. We

3142
01:54:30,124 --> 01:54:31,326
pull those out so that it

3143
01:54:31,326 --> 01:54:32,930
isn't weaponized. What we're

3144
01:54:32,930 --> 01:54:32,860
hearing now, of course, it's a

3145
01:54:32,860 --> 01:54:34,929
public record. So it doesn't

3146
01:54:34,929 --> 01:54:35,596
guarantee total anonymity. But

3147
01:54:35,596 --> 01:54:38,596
that was something that we

3148
01:54:38,999 --> 01:54:41,102
came to an agreement about.

3149
01:54:41,102 --> 01:54:41,835
And the result of that was

3150
01:54:41,835 --> 01:54:42,570
councilmember high top list we

3151
01:54:42,570 --> 01:54:44,905
all agreed it was one meeting.

3152
01:54:44,905 --> 01:54:46,641
It was hammered out. She put

3153
01:54:46,641 --> 01:54:49,641
the language together. It was

3154
01:54:51,112 --> 01:54:52,279
fantastic and Pierre are my

3155
01:54:52,279 --> 01:54:54,215
point is that we have some

3156
01:54:54,215 --> 01:54:55,830
opportunity here. I don't know

3157
01:54:55,830 --> 01:54:57,619
what the answer is going to

3158
01:54:57,619 --> 01:54:58,420
be. Maybe we can come up with

3159
01:54:58,420 --> 01:54:59,870
something between, hey, we're

3160
01:54:59,870 --> 01:55:01,422
not going to let anybody do

3161
01:55:01,422 --> 01:55:02,791
anything after they leave for

3162
01:55:02,791 --> 01:55:03,591
says what are we really trying

3163
01:55:03,591 --> 01:55:06,194
to accomplish and then go from

3164
01:55:06,194 --> 01:55:09,794
there in terms of trying to

3165
01:55:13,340 --> 01:55:14,536
determine what what should

3166
01:55:14,536 --> 01:55:15,236
That's walking thank you to

3167
01:55:15,236 --> 01:55:18,236
mccourts. And perhaps this is

3168
01:55:18,406 --> 01:55:19,274
for Andrew. But. I just read

3169
01:55:19,274 --> 01:55:20,408
this again and it's a it's got

3170
01:55:20,408 --> 01:55:22,808
contradictions itself. But so

3171
01:55:25,180 --> 01:55:25,879
follow me through.

3172
01:55:25,879 --> 01:55:26,548
>> It says complaints must be

3173
01:55:26,548 --> 01:55:28,316
filed within 2 years of the

3174
01:55:28,316 --> 01:55:30,316
alleged violations occurrence.

3175
01:55:31,319 --> 01:55:32,200
So it's not 2 years, let's say

3176
01:55:32,200 --> 01:55:34,420
the occurrence happened last

3177
01:55:37,250 --> 01:55:38,493
year. So is that to mean that.

3178
01:55:38,493 --> 01:55:42,930
Because of last year it could

3179
01:55:42,697 --> 01:55:43,431
be one years already passed.

3180
01:55:43,431 --> 01:55:44,166
So you can only it's only one.

3181
01:55:44,166 --> 01:55:47,200
It's got to be within that one

3182
01:55:47,200 --> 01:55:47,669
year period because it's a.

3183
01:55:47,669 --> 01:55:51,206
Must be filed in 2 years of

3184
01:55:51,206 --> 01:55:52,239
the alleged violations

3185
01:55:52,239 --> 01:55:53,274
occurrence. So to be full 2

3186
01:55:53,274 --> 01:55:54,900
years would be the end of this

3187
01:55:54,900 --> 01:55:57,446
End of my term and then that's

3188
01:55:57,446 --> 01:55:58,146
the current state. So the

3189
01:55:58,146 --> 01:56:00,382
occurrence date is where the

3190
01:56:00,382 --> 01:56:00,982
time clock starts on this

3191
01:56:00,982 --> 01:56:03,382
two-year period. If I'm

3192
01:56:04,860 --> 01:56:05,200
reading that correctly and

3193
01:56:05,200 --> 01:56:05,687
then the second one, it says

3194
01:56:05,687 --> 01:56:09,491
MAY be filed. And I know we

3195
01:56:09,491 --> 01:56:11,793
all know language up here.

3196
01:56:11,793 --> 01:56:14,295
Should Michelle, you should is

3197
01:56:14,295 --> 01:56:15,300
a requirement. They are my is

3198
01:56:15,300 --> 01:56:17,232
a suggestion they weren't. You

3199
01:56:17,232 --> 01:56:17,933
know, it's a judgment on what

3200
01:56:17,933 --> 01:56:19,768
to do. It says complaints may

3201
01:56:19,768 --> 01:56:22,768
be filed within 2 years after

3202
01:56:22,771 --> 01:56:24,573
a council member advisory

3203
01:56:24,573 --> 01:56:25,307
group member leave service

3204
01:56:25,307 --> 01:56:26,700
provided the alleged violation

3205
01:56:26,700 --> 01:56:29,700
occurred during the term. Now

3206
01:56:29,110 --> 01:56:29,645
that's broader. But it says

3207
01:56:29,645 --> 01:56:33,245
MAY I mean, so there's a

3208
01:56:35,830 --> 01:56:36,151
there's I think some sort of.

3209
01:56:36,151 --> 01:56:37,386
Allowance of interpretation of

3210
01:56:37,386 --> 01:56:39,388
is a serious or But the first

3211
01:56:39,388 --> 01:56:40,550
one is really to clear one

3212
01:56:40,550 --> 01:56:43,655
because it says it must be

3213
01:56:44,827 --> 01:56:45,560
found in 2 years. Of the

3214
01:56:45,560 --> 01:56:46,294
alleged violations occurrence.

3215
01:56:46,294 --> 01:56:46,995
So as I interpret that, that's

3216
01:56:46,995 --> 01:56:50,595
where the clock starts on the

3217
01:56:52,901 --> 01:56:54,901
two-year limitation.

3218
01:56:55,671 --> 01:56:56,805
>> Yes, that's that's how

3219
01:56:56,805 --> 01:56:57,438
interpret it. Interpret the at

3220
01:56:57,438 --> 01:56:58,140
least as propose. Both of

3221
01:56:58,140 --> 01:57:01,140
these to required because he

3222
01:57:01,543 --> 01:57:03,478
had that thing and and that

3223
01:57:03,478 --> 01:57:06,478
the 2 years would start with

3224
01:57:08,817 --> 01:57:09,485
violation occurrence. I agree.

3225
01:57:09,485 --> 01:57:11,920
>> One of the concerns that

3226
01:57:11,920 --> 01:57:12,621
councilmember her topless head

3227
01:57:12,621 --> 01:57:15,621
was regarding what happens in

3228
01:57:15,691 --> 01:57:16,292
a court of law depending upon

3229
01:57:16,292 --> 01:57:18,694
the area of law because

3230
01:57:18,694 --> 01:57:21,694
there's discovery rule here in

3231
01:57:21,931 --> 01:57:22,665
Washington and that wanting

3232
01:57:22,665 --> 01:57:23,273
something based upon when it's

3233
01:57:23,273 --> 01:57:23,999
discovered when there's

3234
01:57:23,999 --> 01:57:26,999
awareness event versus when it

3235
01:57:30,139 --> 01:57:30,873
occurred. Obviously the the

3236
01:57:30,873 --> 01:57:31,507
potential issue with the other

3237
01:57:31,507 --> 01:57:34,510
one is that it could p 3

3238
01:57:34,510 --> 01:57:35,210
years. Someone could find out

3239
01:57:35,210 --> 01:57:38,210
something. I mean, there has

3240
01:57:39,800 --> 01:57:39,782
to be reasonable period

3241
01:57:39,782 --> 01:57:40,349
because it's going it's going

3242
01:57:40,349 --> 01:57:40,983
it's going to be on a

3243
01:57:40,983 --> 01:57:41,951
case-by-case basis anyway

3244
01:57:41,951 --> 01:57:43,152
because you have to look at

3245
01:57:43,152 --> 01:57:43,886
weather. It puts us in a

3246
01:57:43,886 --> 01:57:45,540
position of having to that.

3247
01:57:45,540 --> 01:57:45,754
Whether or not there's some

3248
01:57:45,754 --> 01:57:48,900
validity to win. That person

3249
01:57:48,900 --> 01:57:48,824
says they were aware of it.

3250
01:57:48,824 --> 01:57:52,280
And we're not a tribunal. So i

3251
01:57:52,280 --> 01:57:52,861
mean, we cannot do any

3252
01:57:52,861 --> 01:57:53,496
fact-finding independently. We

3253
01:57:53,496 --> 01:57:57,960
only have to look at the

3254
01:57:57,767 --> 01:57:59,168
information is provided and

3255
01:57:59,168 --> 01:57:59,802
then do follow-up of someone's

3256
01:57:59,802 --> 01:58:00,503
represent if referencing

3257
01:58:00,503 --> 01:58:03,272
minutes or a video, whatever

3258
01:58:03,272 --> 01:58:04,907
we can go look at that. But we

3259
01:58:04,907 --> 01:58:05,575
cannot go into independent

3260
01:58:05,575 --> 01:58:07,975
fact-finding outside of was

3261
01:58:08,744 --> 01:58:09,878
provided to us from reviewing

3262
01:58:09,878 --> 01:58:10,546
the complaint. So if someone

3263
01:58:10,546 --> 01:58:11,180
says, oh, I didn't find out

3264
01:58:11,180 --> 01:58:13,580
about this until 3 years

3265
01:58:13,649 --> 01:58:14,350
later. And it's not true. We

3266
01:58:14,350 --> 01:58:17,350
don't have any mechanism for

3267
01:58:21,457 --> 01:58:23,457
determining that.

3268
01:58:27,263 --> 01:58:27,996
>> motion think you did the So

3269
01:58:27,996 --> 01:58:31,596
I think alluded to starting to

3270
01:58:33,690 --> 01:58:34,303
see the flip which is.

3271
01:58:34,303 --> 01:58:34,971
>> Let's say that this that we

3272
01:58:34,971 --> 01:58:37,971
didn't have the ability for

3273
01:58:38,574 --> 01:58:39,275
the ethics board too. So to

3274
01:58:39,275 --> 01:58:39,876
follow a complaint after, you

3275
01:58:39,876 --> 01:58:42,876
know, someone is out of

3276
01:58:43,412 --> 01:58:45,812
office. Then people could

3277
01:58:46,115 --> 01:58:46,849
start saying really nasty

3278
01:58:46,849 --> 01:58:50,449
things on sale on social media

3279
01:58:52,989 --> 01:58:55,989
or whatever. This could be

3280
01:58:56,492 --> 01:58:57,359
with with with it being in

3281
01:58:57,359 --> 01:59:00,359
place. The ethics board could

3282
01:59:02,165 --> 01:59:03,299
look at it. I let's see their

3283
01:59:03,299 --> 01:59:03,966
slender me or saying things

3284
01:59:03,966 --> 01:59:06,502
about what I did. You know,

3285
01:59:06,502 --> 01:59:07,170
while I was in office. And I'm

3286
01:59:07,170 --> 01:59:10,170
going return back and say,

3287
01:59:14,711 --> 01:59:15,412
well.

3288
01:59:15,412 --> 01:59:17,747
>> File a complaint, and then

3289
01:59:17,747 --> 01:59:18,347
they do or they don't. But if

3290
01:59:18,347 --> 01:59:22,547
they do, then I I get a

3291
01:59:23,186 --> 01:59:24,354
hearing. You know, I

3292
01:59:24,354 --> 01:59:25,655
>> and so then the other side

3293
01:59:25,655 --> 01:59:26,323
is that there's the

3294
01:59:26,323 --> 01:59:28,723
possibility for the ethics

3295
01:59:30,460 --> 01:59:32,860
board too. Be weaponized

3296
01:59:35,465 --> 01:59:37,500
right. And so you know, I I

3297
01:59:37,500 --> 01:59:39,436
guess I think we already have

3298
01:59:39,436 --> 01:59:40,436
the ability to take it to a

3299
01:59:40,436 --> 01:59:42,836
hearing examiner. I'm not

3300
01:59:44,240 --> 01:59:46,275
sure, but it would be to have

3301
01:59:46,275 --> 01:59:48,445
the the comfort that, you

3302
01:59:48,445 --> 01:59:49,379
know, if something terrible

3303
01:59:49,379 --> 01:59:52,379
didn't happen. I mean, this

3304
01:59:52,448 --> 01:59:53,116
never happens in real life but

3305
01:59:53,116 --> 01:59:56,716
let's just say the at that

3306
01:59:58,321 --> 01:59:59,322
sport got weaponized. You

3307
01:59:59,322 --> 02:00:01,191
know, I would want the ability

3308
02:00:01,191 --> 02:00:04,227
to say yeah, I'd like to have,

3309
02:00:04,227 --> 02:00:04,894
you know, I'd like to appeal,

3310
02:00:04,894 --> 02:00:07,894
please. So anyway, I'm just

3311
02:00:09,999 --> 02:00:12,335
thinking that. The flip side

3312
02:00:12,335 --> 02:00:16,506
is very that it's a way for us

3313
02:00:16,506 --> 02:00:17,174
to be exonerated.

3314
02:00:17,174 --> 02:00:17,840
>> That was the point I was

3315
02:00:17,840 --> 02:00:20,711
making earlier and then of

3316
02:00:20,711 --> 02:00:21,845
course, worst case scenario.

3317
02:00:21,845 --> 02:00:23,914
Is that someone does something

3318
02:00:23,914 --> 02:00:24,948
and then they say, you know

3319
02:00:24,948 --> 02:00:26,183
what, I'm going to leave this

3320
02:00:26,183 --> 02:00:26,916
advisory group and then to

3321
02:00:26,916 --> 02:00:28,117
leave City Council and you can

3322
02:00:28,117 --> 02:00:30,519
come after me. I'm done. So

3323
02:00:30,519 --> 02:00:31,187
that's the worst-case

3324
02:00:31,187 --> 02:00:34,187
scenario. And I don't think

3325
02:00:34,491 --> 02:00:35,225
the public would like that. So

3326
02:00:35,225 --> 02:00:38,561
I mean, in some ways it's like

3327
02:00:38,561 --> 02:00:39,429
if there is fix board and the

3328
02:00:39,429 --> 02:00:40,163
only time you end up at the

3329
02:00:40,163 --> 02:00:40,831
hearing examiner's for code of

3330
02:00:40,831 --> 02:00:43,834
conduct. By the way, not a

3331
02:00:43,834 --> 02:00:45,269
code of ethics. I would

3332
02:00:45,269 --> 02:00:48,269
suspect that people would come

3333
02:00:49,206 --> 02:00:50,340
after you even harder if they

3334
02:00:50,340 --> 02:00:51,800
felt like they couldn't file

3335
02:00:51,800 --> 02:00:53,277
an ethics complaint because

3336
02:00:53,277 --> 02:00:54,110
you're gone and you left. So

3337
02:00:54,110 --> 02:00:57,514
if you're trying to avoid, you

3338
02:00:57,514 --> 02:00:58,215
know. Being dragged through

3339
02:00:58,215 --> 02:01:01,585
the mud. I don't think that's

3340
02:01:01,585 --> 02:01:02,286
necessarily a guarantee. And

3341
02:01:02,286 --> 02:01:03,719
again, I sympathize with you

3342
02:01:03,719 --> 02:01:04,387
guys because I ended up in the

3343
02:01:04,387 --> 02:01:05,189
newspaper about something I

3344
02:01:05,189 --> 02:01:08,125
keep saying it. I know Ashley

3345
02:01:08,125 --> 02:01:09,259
over there. The mayor is not

3346
02:01:09,259 --> 02:01:09,860
in casinos. And I can tell you

3347
02:01:09,860 --> 02:01:12,663
right now, I work with

3348
02:01:12,663 --> 02:01:13,397
governments and I work with.

3349
02:01:13,397 --> 02:01:16,397
Defense contractors and I work

3350
02:01:16,800 --> 02:01:17,868
with fortune 100 and I can

3351
02:01:17,868 --> 02:01:18,535
tell you that right now. Years

3352
02:01:18,535 --> 02:01:19,270
later, if you search for my

3353
02:01:19,270 --> 02:01:22,473
company over me. It is still a

3354
02:01:22,473 --> 02:01:23,176
result that shows up. That I

3355
02:01:23,176 --> 02:01:25,750
was in an article where we

3356
02:01:25,750 --> 02:01:25,743
were accused of a crime. And I

3357
02:01:25,743 --> 02:01:27,811
had nothing to do with the

3358
02:01:27,811 --> 02:01:30,280
issue at all. But my face was

3359
02:01:30,280 --> 02:01:30,880
used by media because they

3360
02:01:30,880 --> 02:01:33,880
claim that was the only

3361
02:01:34,752 --> 02:01:35,452
picture they could find. So

3362
02:01:35,452 --> 02:01:39,652
this is not us trying to find

3363
02:01:40,324 --> 02:01:41,250
a way to. Anybody. Fact, we've

3364
02:01:41,250 --> 02:01:43,861
we have been weaponized quite

3365
02:01:43,861 --> 02:01:44,561
a bit. And we have done a

3366
02:01:44,561 --> 02:01:45,830
great job, I think of getting

3367
02:01:45,830 --> 02:01:48,830
aboard that. Tries to mitigate

3368
02:01:49,800 --> 02:01:52,200
that. Anymore. Questions for

3369
02:01:54,972 --> 02:01:56,972
me.

3370
02:01:57,700 --> 02:02:00,607
>> Do you want any guidance or

3371
02:02:03,880 --> 02:02:04,615
encouragement from

3372
02:02:04,615 --> 02:02:08,215
>> I mean, I understand why we

3373
02:02:09,220 --> 02:02:10,870
don't have a council I like to

3374
02:02:10,870 --> 02:02:11,222
make sure that there's no

3375
02:02:11,222 --> 02:02:11,922
appearance of impropriety or

3376
02:02:11,922 --> 02:02:14,322
undue influence because that

3377
02:02:16,359 --> 02:02:17,662
helps us to remain objective.

3378
02:02:17,662 --> 02:02:20,264
I think that the I think that

3379
02:02:20,264 --> 02:02:21,599
we transparent both of us,

3380
02:02:21,599 --> 02:02:22,299
yes, and authentic and our

3381
02:02:22,299 --> 02:02:24,680
communication. And I think

3382
02:02:24,680 --> 02:02:26,468
that's that's what that's

3383
02:02:27,104 --> 02:02:29,390
what's required feel. This is.

3384
02:02:29,390 --> 02:02:29,707
>> a matter for your board to

3385
02:02:29,707 --> 02:02:32,707
discuss proceed with to the

3386
02:02:34,478 --> 02:02:36,478
best.

3387
02:02:36,848 --> 02:02:37,582
>> council topless think it's

3388
02:02:37,582 --> 02:02:38,582
on us. I think they've done

3389
02:02:38,582 --> 02:02:40,982
their processing. They've made

3390
02:02:41,518 --> 02:02:42,854
the recommendations as much as

3391
02:02:42,854 --> 02:02:45,456
it MAY feel we're that we're

3392
02:02:45,456 --> 02:02:46,156
involved. The code is our

3393
02:02:46,156 --> 02:02:47,191
code. We passed the code. So

3394
02:02:47,191 --> 02:02:47,859
we have to amend the code. So

3395
02:02:47,859 --> 02:02:50,859
that decisions are with us

3396
02:02:52,363 --> 02:02:54,165
now. Next steps are.

3397
02:02:54,165 --> 02:02:55,433
>> If I can make one last

3398
02:02:55,433 --> 02:02:56,100
recommendation take Maybe the

3399
02:02:56,100 --> 02:02:56,834
middle ground is for us to

3400
02:02:56,834 --> 02:02:58,469
form another subcommittee like

3401
02:02:58,469 --> 02:03:01,838
we did before. And then just

3402
02:03:01,838 --> 02:03:02,507
kind of hash it come up with

3403
02:03:02,507 --> 02:03:05,507
something and then bring it

3404
02:03:08,546 --> 02:03:09,780
back to our respective bodies.

3405
02:03:09,780 --> 02:03:10,915
>> And that was to be my son

3406
02:03:10,915 --> 02:03:11,716
Yeah, think I think we suggest

3407
02:03:11,716 --> 02:03:14,716
that during a business meeting

3408
02:03:15,118 --> 02:03:15,820
subset of the subcommittee.

3409
02:03:15,820 --> 02:03:19,420
Thank you very much. We serve

3410
02:03:23,695 --> 02:03:24,362
at your pleasure. Thanks Thank

3411
02:03:24,362 --> 02:03:27,362
next item is into committee

3412
02:03:28,465 --> 02:03:29,267
reports. A new have something

3413
02:03:29,267 --> 02:03:31,667
to report cause Milwaukee

3414
02:03:33,237 --> 02:03:33,772
tribute. Some really

3415
02:03:33,772 --> 02:03:34,438
interesting stuff.

3416
02:03:34,438 --> 02:03:35,140
>> Last Friday. The content

3417
02:03:35,140 --> 02:03:37,675
housing authority in the tour

3418
02:03:37,675 --> 02:03:38,343
to several of us commissioners

3419
02:03:38,343 --> 02:03:39,430
2 on the properties in the

3420
02:03:39,430 --> 02:03:42,347
North. And there are so many

3421
02:03:42,347 --> 02:03:43,481
we're going to do a second

3422
02:03:43,481 --> 02:03:44,516
tour. But I was just stunned

3423
02:03:44,516 --> 02:03:45,820
at what is in the inventory

3424
02:03:45,820 --> 02:03:45,784
for contempt housing

3425
02:03:45,784 --> 02:03:48,687
Authority. Just a few places

3426
02:03:48,687 --> 02:03:52,287
you want to. First one had 48

3427
02:03:52,323 --> 02:03:53,240
units. A second one was 5

3428
02:03:53,240 --> 02:03:54,525
single-family homes. Another

3429
02:03:54,525 --> 02:03:55,627
one was a large apartment

3430
02:03:55,627 --> 02:03:57,195
complex broken up into 3

3431
02:03:57,195 --> 02:03:57,896
segments 25 units 45 a

3432
02:03:57,896 --> 02:03:59,597
teenager apartments and then

3433
02:03:59,597 --> 02:04:02,597
there's one place come. In

3434
02:04:03,435 --> 02:04:04,135
addition mention because it's

3435
02:04:04,135 --> 02:04:04,836
really cool. But it's in this

3436
02:04:04,836 --> 02:04:05,537
whole subdivision and it's by

3437
02:04:05,537 --> 02:04:08,390
itself that you think it was

3438
02:04:08,390 --> 02:04:08,974
the most. Beautiful house in

3439
02:04:08,974 --> 02:04:09,640
the area that one of the

3440
02:04:09,640 --> 02:04:11,640
housing Authority's private

3441
02:04:12,978 --> 02:04:14,120
home. Resident says pretty

3442
02:04:14,120 --> 02:04:14,813
amazing. And then there's a

3443
02:04:14,813 --> 02:04:15,714
place called far side, which

3444
02:04:15,714 --> 02:04:16,415
reminded me of government

3445
02:04:16,415 --> 02:04:19,418
House. And I think it used to

3446
02:04:19,418 --> 02:04:20,117
be probably in a, how's it

3447
02:04:20,117 --> 02:04:22,287
look from like with the state

3448
02:04:22,287 --> 02:04:23,188
government, the road or

3449
02:04:23,188 --> 02:04:23,855
government way. And what I saw

3450
02:04:23,855 --> 02:04:27,455
Moses Lake at the Air Force

3451
02:04:27,726 --> 02:04:28,426
Base. So that was something

3452
02:04:28,426 --> 02:04:30,826
people are using properties.

3453
02:04:32,397 --> 02:04:33,365
And today consent transit.

3454
02:04:33,365 --> 02:04:34,660
Couple of First of all, I'm

3455
02:04:34,660 --> 02:04:37,236
going to be on a trip on the

3456
02:04:37,236 --> 02:04:37,903
28th of OCTOBER 31st. I mean,

3457
02:04:37,903 --> 02:04:38,737
going to Champaign Urbana.

3458
02:04:38,737 --> 02:04:42,807
This was set up quite a while

3459
02:04:42,807 --> 02:04:44,843
ago and it's mass transit

3460
02:04:44,843 --> 02:04:46,245
district. And what we're going

3461
02:04:46,245 --> 02:04:48,460
to look at is either elected

3462
02:04:48,460 --> 02:04:50,446
riser which makes hydrogen

3463
02:04:51,283 --> 02:04:51,984
they have their own plant and

3464
02:04:51,984 --> 02:04:55,354
it's run by solar. That is I

3465
02:04:55,354 --> 02:04:56,455
know about this. But that

3466
02:04:56,455 --> 02:04:59,455
metering? So they produce more

3467
02:04:59,691 --> 02:05:00,392
solar plant requires for

3468
02:05:00,392 --> 02:05:03,161
energy. So it's amazing to us

3469
02:05:03,161 --> 02:05:03,795
to truly rid off. And there

3470
02:05:03,795 --> 02:05:06,198
have been 100 you are the

3471
02:05:06,198 --> 02:05:09,798
first system to have. I have

3472
02:05:10,135 --> 02:05:10,836
articulated hydrogen buses and

3473
02:05:10,836 --> 02:05:12,738
Kitsap transit is plan to do

3474
02:05:12,738 --> 02:05:13,572
that as well. Have a lot of

3475
02:05:13,572 --> 02:05:15,341
money in plan for a future

3476
02:05:15,341 --> 02:05:17,741
hydrogen plant and buying

3477
02:05:18,977 --> 02:05:19,677
hydrogen buses and I think

3478
02:05:19,677 --> 02:05:22,677
it's called who knows French

3479
02:05:26,852 --> 02:05:29,455
here. Okay. Fifa. It The for

3480
02:05:29,455 --> 02:05:30,550
units sent Federation

3481
02:05:30,550 --> 02:05:30,756
international. Now the

3482
02:05:30,756 --> 02:05:32,358
football Association, right.

3483
02:05:32,358 --> 02:05:35,358
Okay. So that's that's that's

3484
02:05:37,429 --> 02:05:38,197
the world club coming year.

3485
02:05:38,197 --> 02:05:40,766
Because a transit bumping up a

3486
02:05:40,766 --> 02:05:41,433
lot of extra ferries just on

3487
02:05:41,433 --> 02:05:44,433
game days. But they're also

3488
02:05:44,703 --> 02:05:46,838
putting the eye right here on

3489
02:05:46,838 --> 02:05:48,640
the days that there are games

3490
02:05:48,640 --> 02:05:49,341
so that will have extra

3491
02:05:49,341 --> 02:05:50,509
service right DECEMBER 5th is

3492
02:05:50,509 --> 02:05:51,110
wonder going announce it. So

3493
02:05:51,110 --> 02:05:54,460
by then we'll know what

3494
02:05:54,460 --> 02:05:54,780
countries are coming here and

3495
02:05:54,780 --> 02:05:56,548
gets a transit and on the

3496
02:05:56,548 --> 02:05:57,616
agencies and no sound transit

3497
02:05:57,616 --> 02:06:00,552
and the rest are working

3498
02:06:00,552 --> 02:06:01,187
together strategic ties. What

3499
02:06:01,187 --> 02:06:03,187
waistline finding they're

3500
02:06:03,923 --> 02:06:04,623
going to need to have and that

3501
02:06:04,623 --> 02:06:05,358
could be something that we're

3502
02:06:05,358 --> 02:06:07,693
going to have to have your own

3503
02:06:07,693 --> 02:06:08,427
being, which is Because

3504
02:06:08,427 --> 02:06:10,620
perhaps some of those visitors

3505
02:06:10,620 --> 02:06:13,899
will be coming to our, I But I

3506
02:06:13,899 --> 02:06:16,680
don't think about parking a

3507
02:06:16,680 --> 02:06:18,370
lot of people MAY be one of

3508
02:06:18,370 --> 02:06:19,710
games and utilize our Island

3509
02:06:19,710 --> 02:06:22,710
Park. So that's something we

3510
02:06:22,375 --> 02:06:23,750
MAY have look at in the And

3511
02:06:23,750 --> 02:06:27,275
finally and a lot of a cent.

3512
02:06:30,490 --> 02:06:31,551
Councilmember. Gates and 10

3513
02:06:31,551 --> 02:06:33,386
Troy Johnson trip China are at

3514
02:06:33,386 --> 02:06:34,530
the no Kings rally this

3515
02:06:34,530 --> 02:06:35,121
Saturday. Join this 1000 of

3516
02:06:35,121 --> 02:06:38,121
our fellow Patriots on this

3517
02:06:39,358 --> 02:06:42,958
Island you know. Can be proud

3518
02:06:44,130 --> 02:06:44,763
to be there. It was really I

3519
02:06:44,763 --> 02:06:45,464
believe the chambers are

3520
02:06:45,464 --> 02:06:48,464
involved planning for fifa as

3521
02:06:53,773 --> 02:06:56,142
well. Covered not great. Thank

3522
02:06:56,142 --> 02:06:56,943
>> The city of neighbors had a

3523
02:06:56,943 --> 02:06:57,610
meeting with the city polls.

3524
02:06:57,610 --> 02:07:00,610
This is Council the council

3525
02:07:01,848 --> 02:07:02,749
meetings and it was a myself,

3526
02:07:02,749 --> 02:07:05,749
deputy mayor you were there

3527
02:07:09,289 --> 02:07:10,356
city manager lurking and

3528
02:07:10,356 --> 02:07:11,240
councilmember Ed Stern

3529
02:07:11,240 --> 02:07:11,758
councilmember Britain that

3530
02:07:11,758 --> 02:07:12,392
councilmember duct tape or and

3531
02:07:12,392 --> 02:07:14,392
city administrator Gilder

3532
02:07:18,231 --> 02:07:19,164
postponed. So number of sound

3533
02:07:19,164 --> 02:07:19,899
Olympics trail derelict Looks

3534
02:07:19,899 --> 02:07:23,136
like we're going to do a joint

3535
02:07:23,136 --> 02:07:25,536
letter on derelict vessels. 3.

3536
02:07:25,939 --> 02:07:28,339
'05, working group. There's a

3537
02:07:30,910 --> 02:07:32,712
date. We have sent certain

3538
02:07:32,712 --> 02:07:33,913
legislation of funding law

3539
02:07:33,913 --> 02:07:34,680
enforcement to defer Ferry

3540
02:07:34,680 --> 02:07:35,382
line cutting. We're going I

3541
02:07:35,382 --> 02:07:38,982
think that's on in the works

3542
02:07:39,686 --> 02:07:40,387
to come for a joint a simple

3543
02:07:40,387 --> 02:07:43,690
vote we do this quarterly and

3544
02:07:43,690 --> 02:07:44,691
it's it's always quite

3545
02:07:44,691 --> 02:07:47,910
helpful. The Saturday my

3546
02:07:47,594 --> 02:07:48,261
office. Hours 10 noon cups

3547
02:07:48,261 --> 02:07:50,661
everyone's. Welcome to see

3548
02:07:54,334 --> 02:07:56,334
That's my report.

3549
02:07:56,503 --> 02:07:57,103
>> Just mention later this

3550
02:07:57,103 --> 02:07:59,390
week Thursday, planning

3551
02:07:59,390 --> 02:08:01,439
Commission has a meeting

3552
02:08:05,778 --> 02:08:06,613
they're moving. I once ate it

3553
02:08:06,613 --> 02:08:07,213
with deliberate speed with a

3554
02:08:07,213 --> 02:08:07,914
great deal is is in the

3555
02:08:07,914 --> 02:08:10,314
packet. If you're interested.

3556
02:08:10,750 --> 02:08:11,585
Take a look at the agenda

3557
02:08:11,585 --> 02:08:13,985
packet for Thursday's planning

3558
02:08:15,322 --> 02:08:17,722
Commission meeting. And you'll

3559
02:08:18,191 --> 02:08:19,793
see the things that are coming

3560
02:08:19,793 --> 02:08:20,460
into focus to discussed and

3561
02:08:20,460 --> 02:08:23,460
decided upon regard to the

3562
02:08:24,331 --> 02:08:27,331
Winslow plant. I look forward

3563
02:08:27,968 --> 02:08:30,937
to following that action. The

3564
02:08:30,937 --> 02:08:32,400
looking ahead to the next

3565
02:08:32,400 --> 02:08:34,975
steps and will begin their

3566
02:08:34,975 --> 02:08:37,344
process. They will be

3567
02:08:37,344 --> 02:08:38,445
discussing well, I will go

3568
02:08:38,445 --> 02:08:42,645
into sea it in the very will

3569
02:08:44,651 --> 02:08:47,651
lay down. Yes. Mayor Matthews.

3570
02:08:48,889 --> 02:08:49,556
>> Thanks. Deputy mayor. I and

3571
02:08:49,556 --> 02:08:51,992
this past Thursday and the

3572
02:08:51,992 --> 02:08:53,860
honor to speak at u dub for

3573
02:08:53,860 --> 02:08:56,860
School of Public policy and

3574
02:08:57,531 --> 02:08:58,198
spoke with a someone is now

3575
02:08:58,198 --> 02:09:01,198
become her friend rep Josh

3576
02:09:01,535 --> 02:09:03,470
Turner, the mayor reading and

3577
02:09:03,470 --> 02:09:04,138
we spoke about it starting a

3578
02:09:04,138 --> 02:09:06,538
bold path forward inspiring

3579
02:09:07,440 --> 02:09:08,142
public service restoring

3580
02:09:08,142 --> 02:09:09,843
civic. Trust through everyone

3581
02:09:09,843 --> 02:09:10,843
moving a little bit to the

3582
02:09:10,843 --> 02:09:14,248
middle. He I did not know was

3583
02:09:14,248 --> 02:09:14,915
just very, very Republican in

3584
02:09:14,915 --> 02:09:17,117
that didn't come out in our

3585
02:09:17,117 --> 02:09:19,517
discussions about issues that

3586
02:09:20,988 --> 02:09:24,191
our cities And so it was

3587
02:09:24,191 --> 02:09:25,159
really great event and left

3588
02:09:25,159 --> 02:09:25,826
very inspired. I was not here.

3589
02:09:25,826 --> 02:09:28,826
This weekend, but I videos.

3590
02:09:30,964 --> 02:09:31,764
And of all the folks and I had

3591
02:09:31,764 --> 02:09:32,666
an idea there are many

3592
02:09:32,666 --> 02:09:35,660
communities including ours who

3593
02:09:36,803 --> 02:09:38,972
are really down at having a

3594
02:09:38,972 --> 02:09:39,673
lot of problems with food

3595
02:09:39,673 --> 02:09:40,407
banks and stuff like that. So

3596
02:09:40,407 --> 02:09:42,910
I don't know who organizes it.

3597
02:09:42,910 --> 02:09:44,912
But if there was a way for the

3598
02:09:44,912 --> 02:09:45,880
next event that folks had to

3599
02:09:45,880 --> 02:09:46,479
bring a food item right now.

3600
02:09:46,479 --> 02:09:48,879
The greatest needs are

3601
02:09:48,882 --> 02:09:49,550
diapers. Wipes formula dairy

3602
02:09:49,550 --> 02:09:51,950
products, canned and fresh

3603
02:09:52,820 --> 02:09:54,755
meat and financial support. So

3604
02:09:54,755 --> 02:09:55,823
if each donated some to help

3605
02:09:55,823 --> 02:09:57,825
line or brought a canned item.

3606
02:09:57,825 --> 02:09:58,559
That would have been really,

3607
02:09:58,559 --> 02:09:59,160
really great. And so maybe the

3608
02:09:59,160 --> 02:10:02,160
next time that could be

3609
02:10:02,763 --> 02:10:04,763
something.

3610
02:10:07,768 --> 02:10:08,502
>> That's I just the 2 of the

3611
02:10:08,502 --> 02:10:09,170
focal with with the mayor just

3612
02:10:09,170 --> 02:10:12,170
said about it. That's Josh

3613
02:10:13,574 --> 02:10:14,475
than their 40 mean, I know we

3614
02:10:14,475 --> 02:10:16,143
spent lots of time talking to

3615
02:10:16,143 --> 02:10:16,878
him. I just want to point out

3616
02:10:16,878 --> 02:10:17,612
that the that yet again. What

3617
02:10:17,612 --> 02:10:21,812
a great thing it was about the

3618
02:10:22,149 --> 02:10:23,417
collaborative them. Leadership

3619
02:10:23,417 --> 02:10:24,585
Institute was a provides

3620
02:10:24,585 --> 02:10:26,520
ample. I think he was one of

3621
02:10:26,520 --> 02:10:28,890
most fulfilling people to talk

3622
02:10:28,890 --> 02:10:28,823
to there and what an

3623
02:10:28,823 --> 02:10:29,757
opportunity to see that we can

3624
02:10:29,757 --> 02:10:30,458
be a different different

3625
02:10:30,458 --> 02:10:31,920
political parties nationally

3626
02:10:31,920 --> 02:10:34,328
and still have so much in

3627
02:10:34,328 --> 02:10:34,995
common and still be, you know,

3628
02:10:34,995 --> 02:10:35,662
leaders that we community

3629
02:10:35,662 --> 02:10:39,100
respect. So I knew I just I

3630
02:10:39,100 --> 02:10:40,902
just wanted I consider him a

3631
02:10:40,902 --> 02:10:42,737
friend and it was really we

3632
02:10:42,737 --> 02:10:45,600
dealt with them so much never

3633
02:10:45,600 --> 02:10:45,806
came up. Only figured it out.

3634
02:10:45,806 --> 02:10:46,507
When I was late night watching

3635
02:10:46,507 --> 02:10:49,843
tv w and want to speak. And I

3636
02:10:49,843 --> 02:10:50,545
was like, oh, oh.

3637
02:10:50,545 --> 02:10:51,247
>> It didn't matter it's just

3638
02:10:51,247 --> 02:10:54,247
it's an important lesson. But

3639
02:10:55,316 --> 02:10:57,316
thank

3640
02:11:10,665 --> 02:11:12,665
>> Meeting adjourned.