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you don't want to be a part of the prayer, you're welcome to step out at this time and then

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come back in when the prayer is over. After prayer, we'll have the Pledge of Allegiance.

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Wisdom and discernment.

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God, I thank You that You played these issues before us tonight.

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God, I ask that You give us the strength to stay focused on budget issues,

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as that is a pressing need of this city.

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We're going to come before You just as Your servant.

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Let Your peace ring over this place

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and let the conversation be fruitful and productive.

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in Jesus' name. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the

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Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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Let's move on to roll call.

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Councilor Sreed.

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Mayor Diaz.

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Thank you really.

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So we'll move into the public hearing on the budget.

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The only topic that we're talking about tonight is budget.

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Because we need to get this budget passed before the end of the month.

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So, not being said, I would ask that we keep our comments related to budget issues only.

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Our regular meeting is Tuesday night.

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You're more than welcome to comment and express your concerns for almost anything at that regular Tuesday night meeting.

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So, if we could focus on the budget tonight, that would be great.

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First is Dan, of course, Dan.

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Good evening.

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Hi, Dan.

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Hey, so Dan McQuiston, I do serve currently

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on the city's budget board, and I have in the past

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and resident here in Baker City, 2880 first group.

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So I'm here to voice my support for our budget.

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They went through the budget committee

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and I want to encourage you and support you

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in adopting the budget committee approved budget

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as submitted.

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Second, I would like to kind of encourage anybody that's watching or those in the public that

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may not be familiar with this process.

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The city has a great thing that's put out by the local budget manual that is put out

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by the state and it really describes that process well and kind of some of that work

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it's all described under the budget committee process.

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So I encourage you all to take a look at that.

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I want to also support, and voice my support, for investment in our community livability.

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And that's directly part of our golf course, our swimming pools, our parks, all of those.

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And I think you'll see that that support was in that budget and it continues through a variety of things in our community now.

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specifically on the golf course project that was before the budget community and

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the council was a large investment for the sprinkler irrigation system. I really

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want to encourage you to take a look at all the community partners that are now

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currently signed on board with that to support that and make that you know

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continued kind of crown jewel for our community. And lastly I want to

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to support the need by our community

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to look at increasing revenues.

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We have to look at some additional funding options

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to make the things that we need

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and want continue to work.

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on the board looking at a gas tax,

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potentially increasing franchise fees

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and a whole host of other options

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that we really need to look at.

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also to continue to look at options that really involve an open process with our community

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so they have the time and ability to give their input. Nothing last minute, no fees tacked

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on right at the end. Let's have a good conversation about that. Thank you.

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Thank you, Billy.

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And this is John France.

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So good evening, everyone. So for those in the audience and who may be watching

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else where all goes well Tuesday I'll be the interim city manager sometime past

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Tuesday officially so I just want to urge because I like as I said my

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interview process I still feel the same way I look at you as I call the team

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leading Baker City I need all the help I can get from looking at the initial

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budget projections, it's terrible. What I'm hoping today is that some additional revenue

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sources become, I guess, part of the future plan because we need that going into next year

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as far as my tenure and beyond. We currently are on the wrong path to succeed. We need,

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So we need to take some bolder steps to make sure we are good with revenue.

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Again, my goal is to help support the city and my new team that I get to inherit.

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I do want to say I've been impressed so far with the team you have here.

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Thanks, John.

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I'm here to support the budget and I'm here to support you guys.

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but I'm also here to support the citizens that you guys work for. I want the budget to be for

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everybody,

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everybody, inclusive, not some of us, not some of us or who we go to church with,

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not some of us for whatever we believe in that is only to me. You work for everybody,

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so I want a budget for everybody.

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Does that understand? Does anybody have any questions?

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questions. Am I wrong about that?

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I am new to this process and I just wanted to find out when, where I could find

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information about the items that are on the budget, what the city funds. I was curious

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because I was surprised to learn that the the golf that the the golfing region that

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they had snow you know we flew down them you know in the winter I thought that was

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a wonderful thing that they were hosting for city kids I did not realize that it

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was actually owned by the city and the previous city that I had lived at that

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was a private venture and it was always, always a touch and go for not meeting its budget

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and it was basically kind of a financial sinkhole. So I was just really curious to find out more

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information about how many residents actually utilize those services and whether or not

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that would be something that we could consider maybe turning over to a private company

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selling to increase revenue for the city. Anyway, I don't know where you find that

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stuff. I'm just brand new to all of this, so I'm hoping that you guys can give me some

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feedback on that. Sure. So the easiest way is if you'll contact City Clerk and we can

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direct you. Excellent. Thank you. All right. Thank you very much. And I really

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appreciate your leadership, Mattias. Thank you. I just wanted to speak to a little

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bit to the golf course specifically the golf course was actually given to the

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city it was a WPA project 80 years ago so that entire asset was actually given

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to the city and the city taxpayers of the city kept it a municipal court of course

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the beauty of having something that's available to everyone in the city at a

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very affordable price is that it benefits our community tourism is our

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second largest industry so it's a major asset for everything that works for the

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whole city. And I am involved is the best way to learn there is a citizen

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committee that is the budget committee it's all seven council members and seven

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community members if you have a big interest that is so and that we would

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invite you to get involved with. And just to that and I appreciate you

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saying that I just know that the numbers of how many citizens in my former

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city it was not it was frequented by the same number of people and it wasn't

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it wasn't actually a giant draw and that's why they were always looking at

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possible foreclosure is because the numbers no matter what kind of revamping

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no matter what kind of different promotions I mean they took everything I

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I felt really bad.

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I donated to them and I've never used it in my life.

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I just felt bad.

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The numbers just did not support the cost in that.

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And that was actually, that was a private venture.

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So yes, I'd be very interested in seeing

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how many people utilize that.

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It's certainly not like the draw, like the Central Park,

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which that's absolutely amazing.

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Okay, well, thank you very much, thank you.

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I'm sorry if I mispronounce this, uh, Tana Molina?

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You can ask it right, though.

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Um, I do believe that I should save my comment for Tuesday.

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Yes.

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Uh, Bill Treadman?

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I spent 30 years balance and budgets, and it's a combination of revenues

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and expenses. Anybody, anybody could just cut expenses. That's not the easiest thing

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in the world. Cutting expenses without doing long-term, even short-term damage

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and devaluating assets, that's a little trickier. You know, anybody can come in if

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they want to pad their resume and slash expenses and say look what I did. I live

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through it in business. We had consultants, famous consultants, come in and slash expenses and all

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we did was lose market share, lose loyal customers, and eventually gravitate back to doing what we

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did best. So I've kind of seen this picture before. So instead of searching only for opportunities

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Expenses. Which there's always opportunities for cut expenses. Don't get me wrong. But also focus

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on the opportunities and increasing the revenues. How do you increase revenues?

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opportunities and there's some people that are going to talk later on that I've spoken

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with that will explain this better to me. But I can tell you how you can reduce revenues

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big time. If there's no golf course in Baker City, property values plummet. If you look at

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Hillcrest, very few people live up in Hillcrest said don't know, and the reason they bought

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and the reason they built was because of the golf course. So you lose property values. What

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does that mean? That means you lose property taxes. That means you lose revenue.

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So, if you're looking to the future to build revenues and to encourage growth in the community

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and growth in property values and growth, therefore, in taxes, then the golf course

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is an investment.

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It's not the only one, but it is an investment that has proven.

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you look at the property values on Hillcrest and what they've done over the

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last 20 years. Baker's gone up, Hillcrest has gone up faster, okay? So it's, you have

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an opportunity and I'm, there's some people that will get more technical

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about the math that are going to speak later, but you have the opportunity to

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invest in the future of Baker City at a bargain price. And probably if you execute the revenue

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strategy that's going to be presented tonight, it won't cost the city anything.

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So thank you.

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I apologize in advance, is that Jo-Win Fox?

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Jacqueline.

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Jacqueline.

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I just, coming from a different side, coming from a young family in town, from somebody

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who's in real estate and sees the property values where people want to live, things

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they want to do, I 100% agree that the golf course has an asset to our community.

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golf course has brought people here who have called me and said we golfed. It is a beautiful

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town. The views from the golf course, we want to live here. I have children who have golfed.

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I have children who are friends who normally in any other city would not have the opportunity

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or financial help to golf. Our golf club has a lot of programs set up for the school

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to allow them to learn to golf and learn a lifelong skill. And I have never seen

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anybody be turned away it's public course I think it's a great asset to our

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community along with others but I think it is something that is open to

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everybody and if you're looking for something that includes all ages you

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know all religions all ethnicities you know something that doesn't exclude

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anybody based on how they were born but of course it's a great place to start

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and I would invite anybody to go up there on a Tuesday and see all the

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families that don't, some of them don't off, but enjoy our largest city park.

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Ethan Wolston,

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Quinn Wolston,

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Fred Warner.

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So Fred Warner, 2810 Main Street.

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People come to Baker City to work.

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They stay in Baker City because of the quality of life, the parks, the pathway, the swimming

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County pool, golf course, the outdoors, the schools, the YMCA, I mean this is really what

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makes a community. I came, sit and listened at the budget committee. I thought you guys

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did a really good job. You worked through the budget. I don't know exactly, you know,

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we hear lots of rumors about, you know, changing the budget that the budget board put together.

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I would just remind you that the Budget Committee is really an important piece.

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The citizens, seven citizens, come and give their time.

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I think the budget pretty much passed unanimously.

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I wasn't there the night that you passed it.

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Your job is to make sure the budget, if something changes in the meantime, makes

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some changes.

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is, I'm not sure what has changed, but I just want you to know that I think the budget process

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is very important. Specifically, I'm the fundraising chairman for the golf course. There's a lot

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of misinformation out there. We've tried to work with the city. We're going to be

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on the docket to talk to the council. We've sent lots of stuff to you guys. We

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have a great group of individuals that are really passionate about keeping this

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golf course going. Just yesterday and the day before the the golfers put

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together $45,000 and we repaved a bunch of the cart paths there. It looks

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really nice. You should come up and see. I played at Union on Monday. I mean, there are

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carpets, there are courses in horrible shape. And the reason ours isn't is because of the

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dollars that the golf community and funders have given us. We're going to come up with in

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this $1.5 million project, $975,000, and that's going to be a really hard task, especially

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if we don't have the city on board. When the city gets on board, we can really go to work.

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Until then, we're talking to everybody, but we need the city to, you know, at least sit

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down with us and really talk about your asset and what it means to the community. So if you ever

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have any questions we have a lot of really knowledgeable people that will answer any of the

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questions that you may have. So thank you very much. Thank you Fred. It's

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John Ward.

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My name's

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John Ward. I'm the president of the Baker City Gulf Board. You guys voted to put me on there so

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like Fred was saying there's been a lot of misinformation out there about what's

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been going on with the golf course. What our project is I emailed you guys this

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morning I brought some copies tonight for anyone that didn't get that if you'd

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like to look it over or if you guys have any questions about what we're

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proposing. I kind of want to touch on what the golf course brings as far as

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non-local golfers. This spring has been pretty wild. It's been absolutely

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terrible golfing weather. I think we finally started golfing like that first

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week of May. We've already had this is does not include tournaments or anything

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like that which we've had several. Over 330 non-baker people stopping by to

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golf at this course. We have 800 members that sign up to play all the time and then we also had,

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I think it was close to 1200 or more non-membered people golfing at our golf course. So the draw

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at our golf course is a bunch. You talk, I don't know what exact math is, but a month and a half,

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330 people just stopping by to play or coming here to play is a really important draw to our

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community and I was golfing with the guy today actually and he said you know what like if we

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didn't have a golf course I would probably move somewhere that didn't have a golf course or that

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had a golf course sorry and so I just wanted to make sure that it's really important

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that you guys know how much people really do enjoy golf in here and what it

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draws to the community not just the not just for the people like me that are

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fortunate enough to play a bunch but the people that just show up after work on

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a Tuesday I mean I mean there's a lot of people that just do it it's not an

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elitist club whatsoever it's anybody I mean I've seen some of you guys up

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there. So it's pretty good.

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I just want to answer any questions you guys have while

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I'm here for any of you guys's concerns about the golf course project.

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We

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do have $975,000 in non-city funds waiting for city council to say let's go ahead with

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this project that's really all we need is is we have the partners bought in it's

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all contingent on City Council deciding that they want to take care of their

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asset and I think there's other opportunities too that the city could

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look for as far as grants for water conservation stuff like that all stuff

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that will definitely benefit Baker City as a whole.

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So I just wanted to address a couple of things.

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First of all, thank you for your service

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on the Galt Commission.

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I think it's really important in moving forward

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and when we're talking about funding and partnerships

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that we recognize that all of the citizen commissions

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are a huge part of the success of the city.

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So thank you for your service on that.

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Also wanted to acknowledge to everyone

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that's listening and watching that the County Commission

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unanimously voted to support the county support for this project and that with

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the budget presented today from the Law Commission Baker City it's only going to be

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responsible for 36% of an improvement to an asset that we own. That is correct. So

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thank you for everything that you've done I mean I think that every all the

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work that Elora has done in building more community participation and all of

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children's programs and we've got Baker High School team just took state. We're in a position

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to really celebrate the fact that we have a municipal golf course that is available to everyone

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and the work that you have done is saving the city a tremendous amount of money. You've been an

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amazing partner. Thank you. Thank you.

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Don't we, you know, have talked a little bit about

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some of the grant programs you mentioned. You know, I don't know if you have any

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status update on any of that, but there's more that we can talk about that's

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available through the Water Resources Department, where water conservation

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and economic development, so I'm happy to talk more about that.

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Yes, so I haven't heard back, I tried calling again today, but that's something that I

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think that the money is out there from the conversations I've had talking to

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different people. It's out there. It's just you have to ask for it. And I personally cannot

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ask for it. It has to be bigger city. So I think it'd be a really good way to help add

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on to this project. And I don't want to lose the momentum we have with our current partners.

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And so I think that's definitely something we can look as an addition to to help get

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this project through. So did anybody have any project or any questions on the actual

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what it would cost the city for payment wise over the next ten years, four years?

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Well, I would like to hear more about how it would cost the city of Dine.

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Was that what was said before?

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In terms of grant opportunities.

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Oh, okay.

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So there's grant opportunities.

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I think what he was talking about was more towards something else as far as increasing revenue

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that would help cover the cost of this.

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not necessarily like it this is a city asset and the city will have to pay

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something for it but like she was mentioned earlier it's gonna be 36% of a

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$1.5 million cost that's it in right now we have the partners on board to do it

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that's something that we should keep going in my opinion and just to add

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to that I mean one of the things that I think is really important with all

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of these assets and community supporting citizens and commissioners is that the council last

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year committed to this whole project. So the previous council committed to the 1.5 million

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dollar project. I believe they committed to 120,000 for six years and so this would

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this would be

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And this is somewhat of a moving target until we get a commitment to go forward and do it.

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So we're doing the best we can. I think we have our numbers are a little high as far as

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what the projects can cost. And so we could come in a little bit lower, which would help

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everybody else so you mean this 575 no the 1.5 million total project but the

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longer we go the higher that's going to get up to so it's like these are pretty

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accurate numbers for right now and suddenly keep a job so since you're

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heading down this right I think there's a couple of things that it'd be nice you

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know you and I talked about these items I had a great productive

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of conversations with Mr. Woodward as well as Peter Johnson, who I think I saw here, yes,

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and Mr. Wilson. There's some real challenges and hurdles to cross with this that I see

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that I think need to be dealt with. The first one is what was presented at Budget Board

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does not match what was put here before you tonight. And so if you want to use

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what is being presented tonight, then the reality is what Legit Board adopted is not this.

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It doesn't match this at all.

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So that's one thing that will have to be adjusted is to actually line up with what was presented.

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The next item that I think would be nice to get some feedback on is the fact that the commitments

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from the other individuals come in on an annual basis.

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It's not all coming in at first.

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And so I think I saw on here that the project completion was November 1st, 2024.

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And maybe I'm missing this, but all of the money won't actually be in at that time.

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And so there won't be a way for the city to write a check.

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The contractor will be done, they'll expect payment.

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The city will be on the obligation for it.

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We won't have money to actually write a check.

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And then the final thing is there's not a current funding source for the to pay back for loan

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that the city would be doing to itself.

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And so if you can address those items, that would be very helpful to me.

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So I think one thing that the budget work did agree to do is put forth the $120,000 for this next budget year,

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which is all in our that's all this budget would can would include is that

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120,000 for next year for the next budget so I think that's one important

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thing to make we're not asking for $500,000 right now we're just if we

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could if the city stuff with their commitment with the hundred and twenty

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thousand for this year that's gonna let us keep going and solve this

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problem and possibly get more people on board to help write that check. I would say our largest

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donors are all on board. We've talked to the EDC committee. They've already allocated 150,000

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for this year and they would like to do another 150 contingent on City Council passing

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the the budget or wanting to move forward with this project. I would say the

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rest of this stuff as far as the donors there is going to be some stuff that

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we're going to be doing year to year but we've raised we run fundraisers every

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year and we've gotten a lot for as far as the specific golfing community. We've

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raised over $20,000 easily every year

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to help put in for like the car pass,

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the $45,000 car pass we just put into it.

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There's a $15,000 net we pay for it.

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Like there's a lot of money that the city is,

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or that the independent golf community

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has raised to build this city asset.

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And me and John did have a great conversation

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about this a few weeks ago.

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And I guess I don't know how you guys are going to raise money.

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I think there's some really good ways to raise revenue, and I think Mr.

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Johnson has some ideas that would really help, especially take the burden off of this.

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I think after this year or next year, I'd have to look exactly.

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The city's portion of the budget is towards the project is only going to be $40,000 a year.

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Like it significantly drops.

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And if I'm not mistaken, they're close to that already in just fixing the old system.

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So am I correct in that this budget does include a $700,000 loan from the Silver Spun to cover

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that it is the loan in completion of this project?

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So it includes a $700,000 loan from the Silver Spun City would then pay back to the Silver

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Stress Fund.

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But if you add up the numbers that were given in the Budget Board, well, first of all, the

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ask right now is $575,000, so that $700,000 does not match that.

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That is what the city would have to borrow after the 120 this year and the 120 from

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last year.

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Okay, well, even with that, if we go back to what was presented in the Budget Board,

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So if this adds up to 1.275, what we're seeing in some of the other documents you've given

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is that we need closer to 1.4, 1.38 in order, once the project's done, to write that check

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to the contractor, and all of that money will not be in the coffers of the city because

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the donors are contributing on a multi-year basis, and so next year when that check

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has to be written, the money won't be in the city's bank to write the check. It won't

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all be here yet. I'm not integrating anybody that's going to donate. I just won't have

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the money yet. So how can I write a check now?

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So I think that's where the important thing is, is getting the city on board so we can

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hammer out those details and get that money so the city can write the check. Right

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now everyone says they want to donate money, but the city doesn't want the money, basically.

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is kind of where they're looking at it.

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So once we get that commitment from the city,

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then that would be a conversation that we can have

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and try to get that money to write the check.

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I think, I mean, everything's contingent.

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If we can't get it by the time the project is supposed

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to start, then we scrap it.

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Everyone keeps their stuff, but.

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So who's actually gonna physically receive

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those donations back into the city

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so that we can cut the problem check

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or is that gonna go to.

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That's something that we definitely have to work out but from my understanding a lot of the a lot of that money

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Would have to come to the city so the city could pay for it, right?

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But that would be probably the most practical way to do it. Well, that's what was presented budget for the city

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The city would release the RFP

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Manage the project and then write the check at the end. I don't think the RFP should be released

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until the money is in our coffers, right?

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Otherwise, the project gets done,

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the contractor expects his money,

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and we can't buy the check.

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That's what I'm asking.

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That's my answer.

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And I understand that.

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It wouldn't happen until that was done.

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So we have a year and a half

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until this project would even start, probably.

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And so that's something that we,

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as soon as we get the approval from you guys,

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we can go and iron all that out,

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sit down with the city manager,

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you're sitting on the city council and actually get those details out right now.

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Everything's just kind of hanging up in the air.

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Wait for us.

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Yeah.

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So what is your project?

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I believe it's supposed to be completed November 24.

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What's the site?

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I would bet it's maybe a month long project.

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We're trying to do it to where it's not in the heat of main golfing season so people can still enjoy the course and we don't want to interrupt the course.

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So it's not going to be a super long project.

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So you still have at least a year 24.

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Yes.

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And so in this budget that we're looking at right now,

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there's $1,437,937 that is near average support,

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golf board support, or Laura's support,

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a transfer from the general fund,

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and the loan, which is less than $100,000 of the total.

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And once the city commits, you

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you can raise these other funds so that in the end,

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the city is still only holding 36% of the total.

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We have to come up with it at first,

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because it is our asset,

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so that you can go and get the grants

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and get the support.

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But right now, in this budget,

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we're less than 100,000 away

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from the total cost of the project.

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That's what we have in this budget.

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That's kind of the gist, like once we get approval from you guys, I mean people voted unanimous

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where we go to ask the county for money for the EDC, they want to help us with this project.

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It's just waiting on an approval from you guys, from City Council.

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John, I'm sorry that I was late showing up, but I'm assuming that the proposal that you

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presented to the, this BCEB is different than what you're proposing here tonight, is that

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correct?

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The numbers should be the same, I believe, BCEB.

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This is what your proposal was.

458
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What is this document?

459
00:40:37,900 --> 00:40:40,060
This is what was presented to people.

460
00:40:40,740 --> 00:40:42,240
It is DCED.

461
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:43,400
Oh, yeah.

462
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:45,680
This is what was put out.

463
00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:57,220
Which I was saying is updated budget numbers two times now.

464
00:40:57,740 --> 00:41:01,080
So is this what DCED accrued to?

465
00:41:01,700 --> 00:41:09,520
this is what I believe the I don't know exactly I haven't seen this before so I'm

466
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:14,300
taking a little bit to look at it but I know that over the last I've sent you

467
00:41:14,300 --> 00:41:20,280
guys two updated budgets and I've sat down with John with updated budget and

468
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:25,820
then I know that the hundred and twenty thousand that B.C. the economic development

469
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:41,180
So this is the economic development one. So it should be similar to this, yes. Like I said,

470
00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:47,700
this is a moving target until we get everyone exactly on board so we can get these numbers

471
00:41:47,700 --> 00:41:48,180
exact.

472
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:55,460
So John, what I was looking at when I went through this, because I went through it analytically

473
00:41:55,460 --> 00:42:02,180
and just put it in a format so I could see where the money was coming from and who was

474
00:42:02,900 --> 00:42:05,400
spending money and what was going to be done.

475
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:13,340
And so I understand that the loan request initially is $760,000.

476
00:42:13,340 --> 00:42:22,380
dollars. That includes 120. Yeah, I think there's 220 payments at the city already,

477
00:42:22,980 --> 00:42:31,440
maybe last year's and if you guys approve this year's budget. Yeah, so far there's only been 120,000 that's been allocated. Yes. That's correct.

478
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:42,620
Okay. So Leo Adler is going to put in $40,000 in the first year. That's what this is, what it's saying.

479
00:42:43,620 --> 00:42:51,440
They're going to put in another $40,000 in the 24-25 operating cycle. So that's the $80,000.

480
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:57,840
That's subject to the default for coming up with $20,000.

481
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:58,660
That doesn't match.

482
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:05,040
And that's in both $23,000 and $24,000 and $25,000.

483
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:05,440
OK.

484
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,000
So I understood that we were going

485
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:15,680
to be borrowing, well, if you take out $120,000,

486
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:21,980
That would be a million, 240,000.

487
00:43:22,380 --> 00:43:25,580
So that does not, that number that,

488
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,420
if I understand what you're saying correctly,

489
00:43:28,020 --> 00:43:30,300
that number that you're saying does not include

490
00:43:30,300 --> 00:43:32,380
any of the other partners that we have,

491
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:38,320
like the $300,000 from EDC or the possible $200,000

492
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:42,460
for the, it's in this update stuff.

493
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:43,320
Would you like one of these?

494
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,040
Did you get my email today, Dean?

495
00:43:45,740 --> 00:43:46,120
All right.

496
00:43:46,740 --> 00:43:51,040
This will kind of outline more of the actual partners.

497
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,000
Okay, that's good.

498
00:44:02,220 --> 00:44:03,720
Who are these partners?

499
00:44:04,620 --> 00:44:06,420
That's what's up above, that's what's right there.

500
00:44:06,500 --> 00:44:08,820
Yes, and if you look on the back,

501
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,420
I think it's on the third page.

502
00:44:11,700 --> 00:44:15,180
It tells you the back of the second page

503
00:44:15,180 --> 00:44:18,140
tells you to list out exactly what the partners

504
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,260
have committed to so far.

505
00:44:23,620 --> 00:44:31,460
So this is a, Adler does stuff in two-year increments and so we've talked to, we've talked

506
00:44:31,460 --> 00:44:37,600
to them, they can only commit to the two years but this is a project that Adler likes to do

507
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:42,120
and if we can show that everyone is on board, this is, that's definitely something that

508
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:42,980
they're willing to try.

509
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,280
Right now they're only committed for the first two years, that's what they can

510
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:46,900
commit, right?

511
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:47,360
Yes.

512
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:47,840
Okay.

513
00:44:49,340 --> 00:44:59,740
So on to the remainder of this spreadsheet and we got 150,000 coming in 2324 from the

514
00:44:59,740 --> 00:44:59,960
Thank you.

515
00:45:01,580 --> 00:45:07,840
That's subject to, I guess, what we would see determined if we went through with it, we'll

516
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:16,960
go ahead and put that up. And they'd also put in $150,000 in 2024-25 because, again, they

517
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:26,240
can only do two years. And then the city's putting up $120,000 in each of those. Well,

518
00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:31,700
You're just looking at it for the first two years because that's what the other

519
00:45:31,700 --> 00:45:38,760
enemies you're willing to step up to the plate on. So that's 330,000 is what that is

520
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:46,700
in each of the first two years operating cycles. So that's 660,000. And if you

521
00:45:46,700 --> 00:45:53,380
just follow this, you know, it's the 330 here. That's what's happening in

522
00:45:53,380 --> 00:46:00,060
in the first year and then you come across and there's 330,000 in the second year operating

523
00:46:00,060 --> 00:46:00,500
cycle.

524
00:46:00,500 --> 00:46:01,440
Are you seeing that going?

525
00:46:01,860 --> 00:46:06,880
Yeah, I'm not familiar with this exact, did you make this or is this something that we

526
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:11,100
This is what you presented at DC, D-C-P-D.

527
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:17,500
So like I said, the updated stuff and it's a lot easier to follow on this one that

528
00:46:17,500 --> 00:46:18,300
I sent you today.

529
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:19,320
Okay.

530
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,660
And you're saying these stuff for the last minute, probably not going to get written.

531
00:46:22,660 --> 00:46:26,020
But I also sent you some of the same numbers two weeks ago.

532
00:46:26,460 --> 00:46:27,080
Yeah, two weeks ago.

533
00:46:29,260 --> 00:46:29,940
All right.

534
00:46:31,020 --> 00:46:33,680
So in other words, there's more than 330,000

535
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:35,440
of what you're saying in the first few years.

536
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:38,160
That we're going to have.

537
00:46:38,500 --> 00:46:39,160
That you're going to have.

538
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,840
Yes, if you look at the second page on the back of it,

539
00:46:42,900 --> 00:46:47,220
it lists out the stuff and for the total partners.

540
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:51,500
And I think it says the city will borrow 575,000

541
00:46:51,500 --> 00:46:55,240
on September 22, 2024, when the project is completed.

542
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,900
Right, it says September, is that all that we are actually

543
00:46:59,720 --> 00:47:04,620
borrowing, John, is the 575 that you were saying?

544
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,240
According to this, that's what we have lined out.

545
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,200
But once again, this is a project

546
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:12,480
that we're trying to put together.

547
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,560
And it has, we've got multiple partners

548
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:16,740
that we're trying to deal with.

549
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,120
And I think if we can get City Council on board,

550
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:24,820
that's something that we can iron out over the next year because we're not going to start

551
00:47:26,100 --> 00:47:29,820
construction for that amount of time and I think that's a lot of questions that we can

552
00:47:29,820 --> 00:47:34,660
totally get answered and like I said if it doesn't end up penciling out then that's

553
00:47:34,660 --> 00:47:40,920
what happens. I mean I think it's would be a shame to not try and get this project completed

554
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:47,260
on the city's behalf because we have all these people wanting to put close to a million dollars

555
00:47:47,260 --> 00:47:51,780
into the city owned asset and I think these are conversations that we should

556
00:47:51,780 --> 00:47:57,520
have and I think that I I don't think any of it's out of the realm of getting

557
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:03,820
figured out over the next year before we even start construction yeah and of

558
00:48:03,820 --> 00:48:08,740
course there's a lot of conversation around this that I call course because

559
00:48:18,860 --> 00:48:25,580
we would do the first nine and then we would come back to us and then we would look at

560
00:48:25,580 --> 00:48:29,140
the other nine for the back 18 for the back 19.

561
00:48:30,460 --> 00:48:31,940
I've got that information.

562
00:48:32,660 --> 00:48:38,200
I don't think that that's accurate because this is for replacing the 80 year old system

563
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,780
that's on the original nine hole course.

564
00:48:41,580 --> 00:48:49,540
We have the city already allocated $120,000 and we use that money to update the electronic

565
00:48:49,540 --> 00:48:52,020
system that would do the whole course.

566
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:59,080
And the budget that was approved by the Budget Committee and Council this year has

567
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:03,740
$700,000 in the law, which what we're talking about is that we're not going to

568
00:49:03,740 --> 00:49:07,340
need that total amount, but the budget has been approved by the Budget Board

569
00:49:08,180 --> 00:49:13,340
includes enough to move forward so that all of the rest of the fundraising can be done.

570
00:49:13,500 --> 00:49:18,300
Okay, and I'm just trying to bring it back into, you know, consistency. I didn't vote for it,

571
00:49:18,300 --> 00:49:22,740
you know, from the budget itself. But anyway, I'm just asking a question.

572
00:49:22,860 --> 00:49:24,440
But the Budget Board did approve it.

573
00:49:28,310 --> 00:49:31,330
This is a document. I don't know if you've seen this.

574
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:40,730
But this is the document that the budget, or the President, Vice President actually presented to the board last year.

575
00:49:41,150 --> 00:49:44,550
Yes. That would have been back in last winter, correct?

576
00:49:44,910 --> 00:49:47,410
Yes. Well, it would have been at the budget board of last year.

577
00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:48,590
So, Spring.

578
00:49:49,030 --> 00:49:49,350
May.

579
00:49:49,930 --> 00:49:52,070
It also has an inconsistency.

580
00:49:52,490 --> 00:50:01,070
So we've also changed course in a way because trying to stretch it out over six years is not feasible to anybody.

581
00:50:01,070 --> 00:50:05,850
It's not feasible with the golf course. It's not feasible with the city. It's just going to keep costing them more money

582
00:50:05,850 --> 00:50:12,350
So we've changed and we've gotten all these other partners on board to try and get it accomplished in one

583
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:19,430
One fell. So I understand the mechanics behind that, I do. I mean it makes sense to do the whole thing at one time

584
00:50:20,690 --> 00:50:27,650
We have a budget that we have to stay within and we're dealing with some other issues as well

585
00:50:27,650 --> 00:50:32,990
And I've shared this with you as well as Nick and with Peter.

586
00:50:33,790 --> 00:50:37,590
And so that's my concern is that we step into this.

587
00:50:38,210 --> 00:50:42,930
And we've got a police department that's not negotiating a contract.

588
00:50:43,770 --> 00:50:46,690
We have a fire engine that needs to be replaced.

589
00:50:47,770 --> 00:50:51,830
And when citizens look at the golf course and they look at a fire engine,

590
00:50:52,690 --> 00:50:55,970
a safety issue, which is what the city is about,

591
00:50:56,770 --> 00:51:00,770
Then there is a conflict. I'd like to just throw the money out.

592
00:51:01,110 --> 00:51:17,070
So as I understand it, the budget board and city council, all, well city council itself did not vote, but at the budget board, they did not make any changes to the fire department or police department budget.

593
00:51:17,450 --> 00:51:22,790
So that has not a lot of relevance as far as what we can do with the golf course right now.

594
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:30,490
but I'm from what I understand did you not pass the did it not pass budget board

595
00:51:30,490 --> 00:51:34,850
to not change what the fire department was I was told the county was fishing

596
00:51:34,850 --> 00:51:40,230
at 500,000 what happened to that so there's another 200 if you look at the

597
00:51:40,230 --> 00:51:45,990
deal there's another 200,000 money that we're asking the county court as well

598
00:51:45,990 --> 00:51:49,270
Yes. So that would be what they see in the event.

599
00:51:49,990 --> 00:51:56,110
No, we're waiting on the city council to approve it. Like to say they want to go forward with this project.

600
00:51:57,190 --> 00:52:08,130
And I can tell you that last year there was a passing of the budget and there were things that were changed at the end by the city council.

601
00:52:08,370 --> 00:52:15,650
So it's not unusual for the city council to say, you know, we don't agree with the decision of them.

602
00:52:15,650 --> 00:52:23,090
budget board in its totality and so they make a decision to change that. So it can happen.

603
00:52:23,590 --> 00:52:29,570
I completely understand. I'm here to try to help you guys understand what the actual,

604
00:52:29,630 --> 00:52:38,670
what we're actually asking of the city, which is 36% of a very big project over the long

605
00:52:38,670 --> 00:52:39,410
term of things.

606
00:52:39,410 --> 00:52:46,790
for a city asset. Which is something that the local golfers have already spent their own personal

607
00:52:46,790 --> 00:52:52,170
money over the last 20, 30 years, well over a million dollars. Well, I don't think this is a,

608
00:52:52,250 --> 00:52:55,910
it's not a matter of commitment at this point. I mean, we're obviously committed to city housing.

609
00:52:56,930 --> 00:53:09,390
So I think it would be foolish to not invest in it, but the getting the loan paid back is a

610
00:53:09,390 --> 00:53:11,450
done that check as a big deal.

611
00:53:11,590 --> 00:53:15,250
And so I appreciate the hard work that's represented here.

612
00:53:16,250 --> 00:53:17,710
Yeah, this is very easy to understand.

613
00:53:17,870 --> 00:53:19,450
Right, this was great.

614
00:53:19,590 --> 00:53:22,350
I read through it very quickly this morning,

615
00:53:22,510 --> 00:53:26,250
and that just speaks to how great you put it together.

616
00:53:27,330 --> 00:53:29,550
And I appreciate you bringing the hard copy

617
00:53:29,550 --> 00:53:31,950
that I'm not happy with, but it's back and forth.

618
00:53:33,670 --> 00:53:37,150
So I definitely see the value in what you're saying.

619
00:53:37,150 --> 00:53:41,770
And I think what you might be detecting from up here

620
00:53:42,310 --> 00:53:44,230
is some hesitation on our part.

621
00:53:44,410 --> 00:53:45,610
It's understandable if the county

622
00:53:45,970 --> 00:53:50,030
and some other partners are in a position

623
00:53:50,030 --> 00:53:51,530
to where they don't want to commit

624
00:53:51,530 --> 00:53:53,750
unless there's also a commitment from us.

625
00:53:54,250 --> 00:53:56,210
And being that it's a city asset,

626
00:53:56,570 --> 00:53:58,030
I see what balance lies there.

627
00:53:58,350 --> 00:54:01,310
But if there is any question,

628
00:54:01,590 --> 00:54:03,810
if there's some kind of wiggle room,

629
00:54:03,950 --> 00:54:04,810
if there's question marks,

630
00:54:04,810 --> 00:54:13,270
If the numbers have been updated and changed that does lead to hesitancy because ultimately the county is not on the hook

631
00:54:13,270 --> 00:54:17,930
The the Elora is not on the hook these partners are not on the hook

632
00:54:17,930 --> 00:54:20,290
It's the city that's on the hook

633
00:54:20,290 --> 00:54:26,010
And so there's a project that we failed to secure grant money for if the golf community

634
00:54:26,010 --> 00:54:33,470
If there was a wildfire that just burned up the back nine and the golf community falls apart

635
00:54:33,470 --> 00:54:38,410
The city would still be on the hook for a very large check that we have their

636
00:54:38,410 --> 00:54:43,290
responsibility to make sure that can be covered and so it's not a reluctance to

637
00:54:43,830 --> 00:54:48,690
to support a city asset because we obviously have that responsibility we

638
00:54:48,690 --> 00:54:52,130
just need to make sure that we do it right and so I can clearly understand

639
00:54:52,130 --> 00:54:57,570
what you're saying like I said if if if you guys decide that you want to go

640
00:54:57,570 --> 00:55:02,430
with it and we work over the next year to try and get all this stuff done

641
00:55:02,430 --> 00:55:05,970
and if something falls through, then we don't do the proper.

642
00:55:07,790 --> 00:55:14,370
It's pretty simple, but we need your guys' help to finish all the great work that our team has done

643
00:55:14,370 --> 00:55:20,410
to get this thing, to give us a chance to actually follow through on it.

644
00:55:20,790 --> 00:55:22,430
And I think that would be a big benefit.

645
00:55:23,850 --> 00:55:30,830
As I expressed to John in our meetings, I see the city as that we're going to do in or out.

646
00:55:32,190 --> 00:55:36,690
The challenge I have, and I pulled up the 135 that was referenced by Hunster Calder about

647
00:55:36,690 --> 00:55:43,730
1.4 in that count, that does show the county giving 500,000 and the city giving 700,000

648
00:55:43,730 --> 00:55:48,190
as a transfer for the Silver's Irrigation, from the Silver's Fund for the Irrigation

649
00:55:48,190 --> 00:55:48,570
Project.

650
00:55:48,570 --> 00:55:56,950
If you take out the 125, because they're asking for 575, and you take out the 200,000, because

651
00:55:56,950 --> 00:56:03,470
I have the letter from the county that expressed amendment for 300,000 today, then you take

652
00:56:03,470 --> 00:56:08,190
out about 325,000, which puts us at 1.1.

653
00:56:08,790 --> 00:56:17,210
So I have no problem with the project, but from the city side, there's still, I don't

654
00:56:17,210 --> 00:56:22,370
I don't know that 2024 is going to happen because the money won't be here yet from the other partners.

655
00:56:23,050 --> 00:56:27,030
Not even 2025 or whatever, but the money won't be here yet.

656
00:56:27,150 --> 00:56:30,910
So you can't release the RFP and write a check because there won't be enough money to account.

657
00:56:32,190 --> 00:56:40,010
Then the only other concern I have is that, yes, the city has $575,000 in the loan.

658
00:56:40,790 --> 00:56:43,090
I don't know if you added any interest on that.

659
00:56:43,390 --> 00:56:44,510
Yes, there is interest.

660
00:56:44,510 --> 00:56:52,230
interest. Good. You know, add another $120,000 to $130,000 for interest of 5% over a 10-year

661
00:56:52,230 --> 00:56:57,370
loan. You know, the commitment is going to be somewhere around $600,000 to $100,000.

662
00:56:58,050 --> 00:57:03,850
Maybe closer to $700,000. The city ultimately has to pay back to it the Silver's Irrigation

663
00:57:03,850 --> 00:57:10,850
or the Silver's Trust. And you need a funding source for that, a revenue source. And

664
00:57:10,850 --> 00:57:16,670
right now you don't have that and so that would be a concern and I understood

665
00:57:16,670 --> 00:57:19,630
that maybe there were some others who were going to talk about potential

666
00:57:19,630 --> 00:57:24,150
revenue sources to cover that along back to ourselves but right now you don't have

667
00:57:24,150 --> 00:57:29,410
a revenue source to pay yourself back. Like I'm saying if we can like that's

668
00:57:29,410 --> 00:57:32,590
all stuff I feel like we could definitely work through and I'd be happy to sit

669
00:57:32,590 --> 00:57:36,490
with any of you guys and and talk through it and and get those hard

670
00:57:36,490 --> 00:57:39,550
So we do have the cash to to write the check.

671
00:57:54,950 --> 00:57:58,230
So one of the things that I just want to

672
00:57:58,230 --> 00:58:01,750
I mean I really appreciate all of the back and forth and all the information

673
00:58:01,750 --> 00:58:04,430
in building revenues and moving forward.

674
00:58:04,430 --> 00:58:11,010
partnerships is going to be the easiest way for us to build revenues. This

675
00:58:11,010 --> 00:58:18,370
budget is for a project that is after next budget. We are not going to sign a

676
00:58:18,370 --> 00:58:22,910
contract for this loan until the money has been identified. But what we've done

677
00:58:22,910 --> 00:58:26,170
this year in the budget that was approved by the Budget Committee is we've

678
00:58:26,170 --> 00:58:30,950
identified enough of a way forward that they can raise more funds. There are

679
00:58:30,950 --> 00:58:38,350
also we've had multiple emails Peter wrote about looking at TLT, there are

680
00:58:38,350 --> 00:58:43,590
lots of statewide conversations about TLT putting money into capital improvements,

681
00:58:44,250 --> 00:58:48,250
so but in order for that to happen we actually have to step forward. Committing

682
00:58:48,250 --> 00:58:52,410
this money in the budget as it was approved by the budget board is not

683
00:58:52,410 --> 00:58:57,330
writing the check. The check isn't written until after next budget and so

684
00:58:57,330 --> 00:59:04,470
So everything has to be lined out before next year, before any checks get written.

685
00:59:05,130 --> 00:59:12,870
This is just showing the golf course and the golf board and everyone involved, the county

686
00:59:13,790 --> 00:59:18,610
and Leo Aber, that the city has committed funding.

687
00:59:19,230 --> 00:59:25,030
It's not sealing the deal, it's not signing the check, it just says we're in, move forward

688
00:59:25,030 --> 00:59:30,770
and the next year we come back and hopefully at that point we have far more money that's been

689
00:59:30,770 --> 00:59:37,150
raised and the city's ask is much smaller and the money will be there to repay the loaner in the

690
00:59:37,150 --> 00:59:42,870
next several years. So this is just saying we have a commitment now but it is not being spent

691
00:59:43,470 --> 00:59:49,970
at this point. Councilor Wider? When is the Cedars Street project going to start?

692
00:59:49,970 --> 00:59:51,870
We have to put up that fashion money.

693
00:59:52,010 --> 00:59:52,690
Anybody remember?

694
00:59:53,190 --> 00:59:55,190
It's next year, 24-25.

695
00:59:55,370 --> 00:59:58,830
So it's going to be in the budget that this is going to come into?

696
00:59:59,330 --> 00:59:59,630
Really?

697
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,200
We are going to be working on raising revenue, not this budget, the next budget.

698
01:00:04,620 --> 01:00:08,220
But we're taking money out of streets this year.

699
01:00:08,420 --> 01:00:15,500
Regardless whether this goes through or not, the approved budget has $490 of street revenue in it.

700
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:21,120
So no work on streets this year, even though we're talking about a project, not no work on streets.

701
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:25,660
Well, we'll pass our $490,000 less work and less staffing.

702
01:00:26,100 --> 01:00:28,400
And we can have Joyce here if anyone has questions.

703
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:31,740
I'm just going to ask a real sunny question.

704
01:00:31,740 --> 01:00:33,100
It doesn't deal with the streets.

705
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:37,100
But if I understand your proposal, John,

706
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:43,320
it says that the total city outlay is $554,780.

707
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:44,420
Is that correct?

708
01:00:45,220 --> 01:00:47,180
Yes, according to this paper, that's correct.

709
01:00:47,220 --> 01:00:51,260
Okay, so if that's correct, you have $700,000 in the budget.

710
01:00:51,500 --> 01:00:53,280
You have more than enough resources

711
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,280
to meet what their request is here.

712
01:00:56,100 --> 01:00:57,760
It's either granted or out.

713
01:00:58,400 --> 01:00:59,420
That's good.

714
01:00:59,980 --> 01:01:01,080
Councilor, we're going to start.

715
01:01:01,820 --> 01:01:07,660
No, I'm just clarifying because this was the budget that was presented at the golf,

716
01:01:07,820 --> 01:01:08,900
or for the golf club.

717
01:01:09,140 --> 01:01:11,240
But we have a lot of new information since that.

718
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:12,520
But this is what was passed.

719
01:01:12,860 --> 01:01:13,400
That's what was adopted.

720
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:14,360
This was not.

721
01:01:15,620 --> 01:01:20,900
So there is a change in the dynamics of what we received at the budget board

722
01:01:20,900 --> 01:01:24,900
and what we received tonight were that we're looking at

723
01:01:24,900 --> 01:01:25,780
in the season.

724
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:28,240
John, I don't think that there's anybody out here

725
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:31,880
that doesn't want to see the golf course succeed

726
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:35,780
in having a water system that works.

727
01:01:36,140 --> 01:01:37,620
It's how we get there.

728
01:01:37,860 --> 01:01:42,440
So the sources are there in order

729
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:45,120
to take care of the obligation when it does occur.

730
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:49,760
And that's, I think, the crux of the conversation.

731
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:56,560
if we can get that nailed down so that we know that it's verifiable that it's on

732
01:01:56,560 --> 01:02:00,820
the table that there are people that are on the hook for it, I don't think you're

733
01:02:00,820 --> 01:02:07,120
gonna have any problem. But if it's not verifiable, it's a guess and a win if

734
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:12,980
there's some grant money that are in this that we don't know. I mean it

735
01:02:12,980 --> 01:02:17,500
could happen that there are these grant money that would come to fruition but

736
01:02:17,500 --> 01:02:21,320
unless the five ladies sing, it's not there.

737
01:02:21,780 --> 01:02:23,600
And tell the five ladies sing, you know,

738
01:02:23,940 --> 01:02:25,000
they're sure to mind that.

739
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:26,860
Absolutely, and I totally agree with you.

740
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:28,700
That's why we're here to try to get a commitment

741
01:02:28,700 --> 01:02:32,460
from council so we can go out and get that stuff.

742
01:02:32,820 --> 01:02:33,920
And as you mentioned earlier,

743
01:02:34,300 --> 01:02:36,080
it's not uncommon for city council

744
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:38,640
to change what the budget work passed.

745
01:02:38,820 --> 01:02:41,560
Yes, we were, this was something that was

746
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:43,700
that being heard here was what was passed.

747
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:46,780
So that's the consensus

748
01:02:46,780 --> 01:02:53,060
because what we're doing is that last year we had a president and a vice president that says

749
01:02:53,060 --> 01:02:59,440
here's what our proposal is. This year we received this as a budget board and now we're getting this

750
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:07,540
set so it keeps changing. Because it's a project with a lot of moving parts and we're trying to

751
01:03:07,540 --> 01:03:13,780
iron that out as I've said before. That's correct but what was adopted at budget board was contingent

752
01:03:13,780 --> 01:03:16,640
and upon an X dollar amount from the county.

753
01:03:17,380 --> 01:03:19,840
And so if the county fails to meet that,

754
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:23,420
that what was proposed and what was approved there,

755
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:26,280
then we have to go back to the table

756
01:03:26,980 --> 01:03:28,660
because that just doesn't stand.

757
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:31,240
That goes up in smoke if that community is not met.

758
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:34,380
And so the number that we did see from the county here

759
01:03:34,380 --> 01:03:37,000
does not match the contingency requirement

760
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:38,740
and what was proposed by just.

761
01:03:38,980 --> 01:03:41,500
So one way or another we do have to figure something

762
01:03:41,500 --> 01:03:44,100
I guess we can't just refer to what the budget is.

763
01:03:46,140 --> 01:03:49,380
Yes, we're trying to get together

764
01:03:49,380 --> 01:03:51,880
and actually get this stuff fired out, yes.

765
01:03:55,060 --> 01:03:56,420
Can you talk to me for a minute?

766
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:58,000
Yeah, I just want to make a clarification

767
01:03:58,000 --> 01:03:59,880
on the Cedar Street project.

768
01:04:00,220 --> 01:04:00,560
Thank you.

769
01:04:00,940 --> 01:04:04,960
We will be hopefully beginning our prep

770
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,920
for that project contingent upon funding, obviously.

771
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:14,680
Spring of 2024, 2425 budget would include the construction.

772
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:23,880
estimate for that project is $2.1 million. We are receiving approximately $1.2 million

773
01:04:24,300 --> 01:04:32,180
from ODOT for that project. However, the design work, which they're completing, will come

774
01:04:32,180 --> 01:04:39,320
out of that amount at about $200,000, as well as property acquisition, temporary

775
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:44,320
use months maybe some permanent for that project and they're estimating that could be up to another

776
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:51,460
200,000 which leaves us at 800,000 and so then the city would be on the hook for the remainder of

777
01:04:51,460 --> 01:05:01,720
the 2.1 and in addition to that is a reimbursable grant with ODOT which means that we have to

778
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:07,540
have that money on hand to pay the bills similarly prior to it. Thank you.

779
01:05:07,540 --> 01:05:09,080
Thank you.

780
01:05:11,270 --> 01:05:16,170
Joyce, before you get all the way back there, I have a question for you.

781
01:05:16,690 --> 01:05:28,850
Over the last couple of years, do you happen to know off the top of your head how much it has cost the city to maintain the irrigation system and repair it on the front line?

782
01:05:29,890 --> 01:05:35,930
Oh, boy. You know, I was just handed golf courses a couple of months ago. I'd have to go back and I'll go back a little bit further.

783
01:05:35,930 --> 01:05:41,690
before we know that there have been four major leaks just since the start of the meeting.

784
01:05:41,990 --> 01:05:42,210
Yeah.

785
01:05:43,270 --> 01:05:45,470
I think that's closer to eight major leaks.

786
01:05:45,610 --> 01:05:46,370
Eight major leaks.

787
01:05:46,630 --> 01:05:46,890
It's a double.

788
01:05:47,350 --> 01:05:47,890
Thank you.

789
01:05:47,970 --> 01:05:48,190
You're welcome.

790
01:05:48,730 --> 01:05:52,570
If possibly we could have that information before we make the final decision.

791
01:05:54,450 --> 01:05:55,510
I'd like to just-

792
01:05:55,510 --> 01:05:56,970
This is worth having that information.

793
01:05:57,250 --> 01:05:57,650
Where could we?

794
01:05:59,510 --> 01:06:03,030
I mean, I think we're all committed to preparing.

795
01:06:03,250 --> 01:06:05,430
I'm just curious, you know, what that number is.

796
01:06:05,430 --> 01:06:16,550
Yeah, I mean that's a good question, Mary. I really do believe that because it helps to crunch that dollar amount that we're actually committed to.

797
01:06:17,510 --> 01:06:23,830
So if it's $100,000, I mean, jeez, there's $100,000 we're living on the table right there, all immediately.

798
01:06:23,830 --> 01:06:23,990
anything.

799
01:06:27,450 --> 01:06:33,330
Something to consider if Council wants to adjust from what was presented to

800
01:06:33,330 --> 01:06:40,030
the budget board to what was presented tonight and more recently in this other email, in that

801
01:06:40,030 --> 01:06:46,690
golf course capital project plan you could reduce the Baker County support to 300,000

802
01:06:46,690 --> 01:06:51,350
since you know that that's there. It's coming in this next budget year, it's more

803
01:06:51,350 --> 01:06:54,230
are Soviet, but you know that that's there.

804
01:06:55,390 --> 01:06:58,510
And the transfer from silvers, you

805
01:06:58,510 --> 01:07:02,330
can reduce to 575,000.

806
01:07:04,150 --> 01:07:09,510
And that's going to sit in there to the 2024-2025 budget.

807
01:07:09,970 --> 01:07:12,510
And you're going to have to reallocate some of that money

808
01:07:12,850 --> 01:07:16,090
for the physical role in the beginning working capital.

809
01:07:16,890 --> 01:07:18,490
But you can reduce those two lines.

810
01:07:19,250 --> 01:07:23,350
keep in mind though that what is impacting the general fund this year is the immediate

811
01:07:23,350 --> 01:07:30,250
$120,000 transfer and then we'll also have to be subject to a loan payment on that 575

812
01:07:30,250 --> 01:07:33,990
plus interest and I don't know what that first loan payment would be for.

813
01:07:33,990 --> 01:07:37,190
But we're going to be taking the loan until 25, 24.

814
01:07:38,110 --> 01:07:44,510
You can't commit that budget and then needs to come out of this budget because right now you're taking the loan in this budget

815
01:07:44,510 --> 01:07:50,210
And so, you can't, if you take it in this budget, it's a home in this budget.

816
01:07:51,230 --> 01:07:58,730
And you can't commit the next council in 2024-25 to that moment unless you take it now.

817
01:07:59,630 --> 01:08:07,590
So you can reduce those, but you are, the general fund is getting hit for 120 plus whatever 575,

818
01:08:08,090 --> 01:08:10,950
I don't know, what would 575 mean in 10 years?

819
01:08:15,950 --> 01:08:23,850
So that will get you in this budget, which we would, a lot of that money for your payment

820
01:08:23,850 --> 01:08:32,070
on the person would be, if you look, would be like the $20,000 a year from the Gulf force.

821
01:08:32,430 --> 01:08:35,270
The different stuff like that would go towards that payment.

822
01:08:35,510 --> 01:08:38,610
We would pay the city to help offset their payment.

823
01:08:38,610 --> 01:08:44,710
You have you estimated what it's like you remainder for that issue where payment would be

824
01:08:44,710 --> 01:08:54,030
I'm looking for it right here so I have a balance of 1,000 yes 40,000 so you'd have 120,000 transfer plus your 40,000 long payment of

825
01:08:54,030 --> 01:08:59,790
160,000 it would hit your general plan this year for this kind of fiscal year so

826
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:10,720
And that long payment is already in this budget? Well it would no we have to do a resolution

827
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:13,120
to make that first payment, we'll put a full probability

828
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:16,280
that we'll continue to put a 90, 50, and a half.

829
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:20,920
So we could reduce the big county support to 300,

830
01:09:21,100 --> 01:09:22,260
which we know is actual.

831
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:24,880
We could reduce the transfer,

832
01:09:25,900 --> 01:09:29,800
and we could do the resolution for the payment.

833
01:09:31,100 --> 01:09:32,600
Or change it in this budget.

834
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:35,580
Or just put the payment into this budget,

835
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:37,420
and that way we can move forward,

836
01:09:38,700 --> 01:09:41,940
and you can continue building the funding support.

837
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:45,320
More partners and hopefully find more money that we can use.

838
01:09:48,850 --> 01:09:50,410
Then you'll be connected to that loan.

839
01:09:50,930 --> 01:09:51,990
That's how you're going to do that.

840
01:09:52,510 --> 01:09:56,010
And you don't have a funding source currently to pay back our loan.

841
01:09:56,430 --> 01:09:57,830
That's still concerning to me.

842
01:09:58,190 --> 01:10:01,410
Candidate for the first payment into the next operating cycle.

843
01:10:02,410 --> 01:10:05,850
I think the city's doing it along to itself from the trust fund,

844
01:10:05,990 --> 01:10:07,930
so as long as the trust fund is getting its interest,

845
01:10:07,930 --> 01:10:11,350
I don't know why you couldn't, but then you're going to pay a whole extra year of interest.

846
01:10:12,370 --> 01:10:15,910
And we already have our own budget, we have problems when we're waiting to put on our own,

847
01:10:15,970 --> 01:10:18,330
then we end up having to pay a little bit of recount.

848
01:10:18,570 --> 01:10:19,630
Yeah, we may be able to do that.

849
01:10:20,430 --> 01:10:27,230
No, but that first loan is not going to be a problem because of the revenue that's already committed.

850
01:10:28,510 --> 01:10:30,250
But we don't, you don't have that investment.

851
01:10:30,490 --> 01:10:30,750
We

852
01:10:38,940 --> 01:10:44,790
can make it $700,000 just for the end of fiscal year.

853
01:10:44,790 --> 01:10:48,510
can't I can't hear you because you just keep going I'm just thinking so you

854
01:10:48,510 --> 01:10:55,630
could you could make the 700,000 that's in here they could make that long say

855
01:10:55,630 --> 01:11:04,730
next May and then make the payment due in the next budget year 24-25 and then

856
01:11:04,730 --> 01:11:10,170
you wouldn't have to make the payment but I mean the time is out it's me and

857
01:11:10,170 --> 01:11:11,370
And again, I'm still back to it.

858
01:11:12,230 --> 01:11:15,170
If you only need 545,000, then we've

859
01:11:15,170 --> 01:11:17,750
got 700,000 in here, I think we've got what we need.

860
01:11:18,350 --> 01:11:21,290
And the key, and I'm with John on this,

861
01:11:21,610 --> 01:11:23,670
is A, we need to make certain that we

862
01:11:23,670 --> 01:11:25,350
have the funds flow to write checks.

863
01:11:25,790 --> 01:11:28,830
And B, that we know who's going to pay the loan there.

864
01:11:29,050 --> 01:11:30,190
And the rest of it's fine.

865
01:11:30,510 --> 01:11:32,410
I mean, honestly, we can work out the details.

866
01:11:32,810 --> 01:11:33,890
Those are the two issues.

867
01:11:33,930 --> 01:11:38,130
And both work out when John or whoever

868
01:11:40,050 --> 01:11:44,390
I'm not worried about that, I think it's, I'm done, I think you got it.

869
01:11:44,790 --> 01:11:52,870
So if the law is undefined until May of 2024, we don't have a payment in this next budget.

870
01:11:54,010 --> 01:12:07,160
And so that the budget as it stands, if we just make the change to make the county support the 300,000s, and make that adjustment through, the budget as it was approved would be straightforward.

871
01:12:14,380 --> 01:12:19,340
You don't have to borrow the money until the project is done.

872
01:12:19,480 --> 01:12:21,060
But we have to make the commitments.

873
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:23,480
And so the commitment has to go into the budget.

874
01:12:23,620 --> 01:12:26,640
But we can schedule that long to happen in May.

875
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:33,520
you can make the commitment and and then not follow through with the commitment

876
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:38,420
and make the commitment in the 24-25 budget because I mean there's no you

877
01:12:38,420 --> 01:12:42,640
wouldn't want to borrow money and not and just have it sitting there unless you

878
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:43,460
get more money.

879
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:54,340
But it's all we need is a commitment and we'll bring in you

880
01:12:54,340 --> 01:13:05,240
guys will do the RFP and we'll get bids and if the and if if we don't fulfill that in September of

881
01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:09,880
24, I mean you wouldn't want to borrow the money and then we never do the project.

882
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:15,500
Oh I understand what you're saying, but there's a mechanism to do that. I mean because we're

883
01:13:15,500 --> 01:13:22,400
all working on good things. We can do either way. I mean we can borrow the money in May if we

884
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:29,500
want to. And then we can pay ourselves back in September if it doesn't happen. It's not

885
01:13:29,500 --> 01:13:33,940
a real problem. I mean, or if it does go forward, we have the money to, then we'd have the budget.

886
01:13:34,300 --> 01:13:39,580
In the next budget, we'll have to budget to spend the entire amount to do the capital

887
01:13:39,580 --> 01:13:47,900
projects. I mean, it's there. It's just, you know, during that period of time. So,

888
01:13:47,900 --> 01:13:48,700
that doesn't make sense.

889
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:53,140
No, and it's better to delay and borrow the money

890
01:13:53,140 --> 01:13:56,780
when you need it, and then make that first payment

891
01:13:56,780 --> 01:13:57,580
a year back.

892
01:13:58,020 --> 01:14:00,560
And if you decide not to borrow it this year,

893
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:03,900
which you can do, then you can borrow it,

894
01:14:04,100 --> 01:14:06,180
and you then have to put it in next year's budget,

895
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:07,800
and that'd be fine too.

896
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:08,260
Yeah.

897
01:14:08,300 --> 01:14:09,700
Just by putting it in the budget,

898
01:14:09,860 --> 01:14:12,320
even if we don't actually do them alone,

899
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:14,420
by having it in the budget, it shows

900
01:14:14,420 --> 01:14:16,500
the city has made a commitment to this project,

901
01:14:16,500 --> 01:14:22,900
and it allows all the partners to move forward and continue raising funds just by having it in the budget.

902
01:14:23,480 --> 01:14:23,920
That's correct.

903
01:14:24,180 --> 01:14:28,060
And when it's in minutes, it says, I won't cut it, move that money around.

904
01:14:28,620 --> 01:14:30,260
So they say they're ready.

905
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:31,840
And council says let's go.

906
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:34,880
The one south of the RP goes out and it's great.

907
01:14:35,540 --> 01:14:36,500
I would not be that money.

908
01:14:36,700 --> 01:14:38,020
I don't have to give it to the trust money.

909
01:14:38,460 --> 01:14:39,520
It says it's like the freeze.

910
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:49,880
I'm going to probably state the obvious here, but these kind of projects don't get any

911
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:56,380
cheaper or easier to do in the future, so in my opinion, this is kind of an important

912
01:14:56,380 --> 01:14:56,880
timing.

913
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:59,800
On top of that, with over 50%

914
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:14,920
That's a huge, you know, reviewing grants for 20 years. And that's a huge boost to a grant application to have a 50 plus person, you know, some of the ones that John and I were talking about require 25%.

915
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:25,880
You have a 50% cost share on some of those. That's a huge boost to the project. It's a huge boost to the likes of the beginning of that grant.

916
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:36,840
And, you know, I'm happy if the council sees it as appropriate and it ends up passing this.

917
01:15:37,220 --> 01:15:43,640
Then, you know, I'm happy to commit time to help John go through some of this based on my experience.

918
01:15:44,980 --> 01:15:45,740
Thank you.

919
01:15:51,340 --> 01:16:00,180
Thank you, John. Thank you, patients. Yeah, I do want to thank you again. I think you guys all have my email address. Feel free to call me. Thank you for your time.

920
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:11,940
That was the end of the hearing

921
01:16:11,940 --> 01:16:12,420
section.

922
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:15,560
Is there anyone else that wanted

923
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:16,040
to speak?

924
01:16:16,620 --> 01:16:16,920
Yes.

925
01:16:18,660 --> 01:16:22,700
But we will say that we ask

926
01:16:22,700 --> 01:16:23,840
if there is anyone else who

927
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:24,360
would like to speak.

928
01:16:24,740 --> 01:16:28,960
Are there any questions for me

929
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:32,700
on the funding that I look for

930
01:16:32,700 --> 01:16:34,820
and it is very easy to secure

931
01:16:34,820 --> 01:16:36,080
and answer the questions?

932
01:16:39,740 --> 01:16:42,800
I got kind of a red dial here, so I'm going to go.

933
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:46,580
Thank you for being here.

934
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:46,960
Good

935
01:16:54,060 --> 01:16:55,360
evening.

936
01:16:55,700 --> 01:16:55,980
Careful.

937
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:01,620
I think most of you know our fire department's in a tough shape.

938
01:17:02,260 --> 01:17:02,920
We're in the best spot.

939
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:06,340
I've written you a little speech here, so I'm going to have to read it, so I'll mess it up.

940
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:12,820
Big City Fire Department is in desperate need of a solid, stable foundation for the past and future.

941
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:16,900
The department is currently scheduling days with one person on shift.

942
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:20,960
And the second spot filled with overtime if we can get it filled.

943
01:17:23,330 --> 01:17:29,210
We have people working 96 hours straight or more. Some of them are working up to 120 hours straight at this point.

944
01:17:30,110 --> 01:17:31,970
We're going to burn people out really fast.

945
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:45,000
There are two days this month in July, we have nobody on the schedule, nobody.

946
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:53,360
Sunday our station will be closed for most of the day from 7 a.m. till mid-afternoon.

947
01:17:53,860 --> 01:17:58,860
We have somebody coming back from out of town to come cover the station that afternoon

948
01:17:58,860 --> 01:18:06,800
and by itself. This is only going to get worse as time goes on. As people get sick, people

949
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:13,020
get injured, kids get sick, hunting season hits, hang season hits, there will be more

950
01:18:13,020 --> 01:18:14,420
and more days that our station is closed.

951
01:18:17,460 --> 01:18:19,680
We were actively recruiting to fill vacancies.

952
01:18:20,620 --> 01:18:26,660
At this time we received only one application for fire chief. First review of applications

953
01:18:26,660 --> 01:18:32,540
was June 1. We had none at that point. We've received five applications for firefighters,

954
01:18:32,820 --> 01:18:38,680
but none of them currently meet the minimum qualifications. This current staffing and scheduling,

955
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:44,540
it's impossible to carry out day-to-day operations of the Department of Training,

956
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:50,220
Inspections, Fire Prevention, Public Education. Any incident with any complexity at all

957
01:18:50,220 --> 01:18:54,220
will be impossible to handle until other firefighters either come back to work

958
01:18:54,220 --> 01:18:57,300
or we have a rural district come in to help us.

959
01:18:58,060 --> 01:18:59,380
And the rural districts are willing to help,

960
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:00,780
but they're all volunteer.

961
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:01,900
We don't know what we're getting.

962
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:06,440
I've heard many conversations about the amount of overtime

963
01:19:06,440 --> 01:19:08,300
that compensation sells in the fire department.

964
01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:10,900
There are only two ways to reduce these items.

965
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:14,140
The first is, we're out today, we just closed the doors.

966
01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:14,860
We're done.

967
01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:19,000
We have to rely on people coming back in for an incident

968
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:20,920
or rural districts coming in to help.

969
01:19:22,700 --> 01:19:27,280
The other is with higher adequate staff, which is going to cost more money.

970
01:19:29,580 --> 01:19:33,360
So I'm here today to ask council to make public safety a priority.

971
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:37,800
This fire department has to be stabilized immediately.

972
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:41,720
If we can't do that, there's nothing keeping the remaining staff in place.

973
01:19:42,060 --> 01:19:43,340
And I'm not speaking for them.

974
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:44,380
I didn't ask them.

975
01:19:44,540 --> 01:19:45,600
We've not had that conversation.

976
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:46,800
I don't know what their plans are.

977
01:19:48,260 --> 01:19:54,120
There is little hope of much interest from new applicants if we can't make a change.

978
01:19:56,300 --> 01:20:00,440
If we keep the status quo which is currently budgeted, there will be days the station is

979
01:20:00,440 --> 01:20:02,840
closed and locked without fire protection for your citizens.

980
01:20:05,020 --> 01:20:08,740
Baker Rural Fire Protection District has already submitted a termination notice of

981
01:20:08,740 --> 01:20:09,460
the auto aid agreement.

982
01:20:10,780 --> 01:20:14,400
This agreement has been in place with Baker Rural for several years and will end on

983
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:15,700
September 20th.

984
01:20:15,700 --> 01:20:23,660
Without adequate staffing, Baker City Fire Department can no longer provide aid to the rural districts, which is part of the auto aid.

985
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:29,820
It's a life for life. And the city can no longer provide aid their side of the aid.

986
01:20:32,460 --> 01:20:39,980
This is not only unsafe for your citizens, but needlessly risking lives of the firefighters who respond to any given incident.

987
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:47,420
Make a Rural will always come and help your citizens whenever we can, but without the

988
01:20:47,420 --> 01:20:51,880
automated agreement in place, make a Rural will be sending bills for fire suppression.

989
01:20:52,820 --> 01:20:56,120
We cannot ask our taxpayers to pay for your fire suppression.

990
01:21:03,220 --> 01:21:08,120
The staffing model that will start to stabilize this fire department includes 11 full-fine

991
01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:08,520
employees.

992
01:21:09,620 --> 01:21:13,180
This is only one more employee than the target model established last September.

993
01:21:14,480 --> 01:21:17,600
Comments have been made to the effect of all they do is wax tracks.

994
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:24,780
Emergency services is a front-loaded industry, which means we have to have all our people

995
01:21:24,780 --> 01:21:27,920
and all our resources in place before the emergency happens.

996
01:21:30,450 --> 01:21:35,370
So I'm asking the City Council to fund nine 56-hour positions, including three lieutenants,

997
01:21:35,970 --> 01:21:37,670
an assistant chief and a fire chief.

998
01:21:37,670 --> 01:21:44,450
This will put 356-hour firefighters on shift seven days a week and assistant chief and

999
01:21:44,450 --> 01:21:46,530
fire chief in the station 40 hours a week.

1000
01:21:48,070 --> 01:21:53,390
This will increase the department budget from $1.5 million to $1.9 million, an increase

1001
01:21:53,390 --> 01:21:54,650
of almost $400,000.

1002
01:21:56,230 --> 01:22:00,250
Part of this $400,000 increase includes raising the materials and services budget

1003
01:22:00,650 --> 01:22:05,310
and increasing overtime budget from $40,000 to $100,000.

1004
01:22:05,310 --> 01:22:07,990
We're currently at 140,000 today, this year.

1005
01:22:09,790 --> 01:22:15,730
Along with this model, I'll be asking you to sign an article with the Labor Union,

1006
01:22:16,310 --> 01:22:18,310
Local 922, for minimum staffing.

1007
01:22:20,030 --> 01:22:25,890
This will guarantee the city will keep a minimum of two firefighters per shift on duty.

1008
01:22:26,850 --> 01:22:30,630
By doing this, we'll bring a level of stability to the department and assure the

1009
01:22:30,630 --> 01:22:34,470
staff their jobs are secure and future applicants will see the city as serious

1010
01:22:34,470 --> 01:22:38,650
about public safety and will help attract quality candidates.

1011
01:22:41,420 --> 01:22:46,740
Along with staffing changes, I'll be asking you to approve a lease on a new fire engine.

1012
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:50,400
Both of your engines are 20 and 30 years old.

1013
01:22:51,700 --> 01:22:53,420
Average life span is 15 years.

1014
01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:59,220
The 30-year-old truck barely passed competition this year.

1015
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:03,980
Probably won't pass next year. If we have an engine fail or we have a crew

1016
01:23:03,980 --> 01:23:09,180
working inside and be catastrophic. It's their only lifeline. We will kill firefighters if we

1017
01:23:09,180 --> 01:23:13,700
have an engine failure while they're working in the interior. I've told the Fire Department

1018
01:23:13,700 --> 01:23:18,440
it's tried for several years to save money in the Equipment Reserve Fund only to have it taken

1019
01:23:18,440 --> 01:23:24,460
out for other purposes and never put back. Currently in the Fire Equipment Reserve we have

1020
01:23:24,460 --> 01:23:26,360
approximately $380,000.

1021
01:23:28,380 --> 01:23:31,140
We will need a commitment from Council to fund the lease for

1022
01:23:31,140 --> 01:23:36,200
the remainder of the balance. We're looking at a 10 to 15 year lease, and a new engine

1023
01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:43,660
will be between $550,000 and $750,000. We'll be looking for a stock demo unit as customer

1024
01:23:43,660 --> 01:23:49,100
arranges at this point are 36 to 48 months out, and the manufacturer is no longer guaranteed

1025
01:23:49,100 --> 01:23:54,380
the final price. I know that the public safety fee has had negative connotations

1026
01:23:54,380 --> 01:23:58,460
for everybody, and I understand that. However, if we can't stabilize this fire

1027
01:23:58,460 --> 01:24:02,680
department. Everybody's insurance rates. All your citizens' insurance rates are

1028
01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:08,020
going to increase 40 to 50% when we get re-rated. I.S. Hoh has already been in

1029
01:24:08,020 --> 01:24:12,220
contact with me. They wanted to come immediately and re-rate the city. I was

1030
01:24:12,220 --> 01:24:13,240
able to put him off a year.

1031
01:24:15,340 --> 01:24:17,740
Think about the fallout from this happening to

1032
01:24:17,740 --> 01:24:22,540
insurance rates. The citizens will be paying more for their insurance while

1033
01:24:22,540 --> 01:24:25,980
still be paying the same amount of taxes and not receiving the level of

1034
01:24:25,980 --> 01:24:27,480
service from the city they should be receiving.

1035
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:31,580
The increase in the insurance

1036
01:24:31,580 --> 01:24:36,960
rates will cost the taxpayers way more than the safety fee would. And that

1037
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:40,860
money all goes directly to the insurance company. None of it comes to the city and

1038
01:24:40,860 --> 01:24:44,380
benefits the city. Which one of these is going to be worse for your citizens?

1039
01:24:46,900 --> 01:24:50,860
This department is cloundering. This is the opportunity for council to make a

1040
01:24:50,860 --> 01:24:54,740
change and start to turn this department around. Let's fix this

1041
01:24:54,740 --> 01:24:59,300
department today and build a future this department can can work on

1042
01:25:00,020 --> 01:25:04,780
and build something with the future chief coming in, a foundation for him to work on.

1043
01:25:05,300 --> 01:25:07,680
Thank you. Do you have any questions?

1044
01:25:08,740 --> 01:25:17,700
Yes. So you mentioned that since the auto aid was canceled, that any response will come with a bill.

1045
01:25:18,420 --> 01:25:20,400
Could you just give us an estimate on what that would be?

1046
01:25:21,860 --> 01:25:26,000
It's roughly going to look, depending on the amount of apparatus we send in, but we have it available.

1047
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:32,700
It could be around $200 an hour or more.

1048
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:38,540
Could you tell the city council about how long your response signs will be?

1049
01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:42,280
Yeah, our response signs will be upwards 30 to 60 minutes.

1050
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:48,480
If you're expecting rural firefighters to come out of the hayfield in the middle of summer,

1051
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:52,880
get off the tractor, get to the station, get a trailer, 30 to 60 minutes.

1052
01:25:56,110 --> 01:26:02,430
So with a fire doubling every 60 seconds, you can imagine what will happen when we get a downtown fire or just a house fire.

1053
01:26:04,530 --> 01:26:07,610
Chief Lee, you're asking for four additional bodies?

1054
01:26:09,050 --> 01:26:14,830
One additional body over the current established staffing model, which is 10 and a half, right?

1055
01:26:15,470 --> 01:26:16,610
I believe it's...

1056
01:26:17,250 --> 01:26:22,670
It was 10 and a half when we ended up not getting the administrative assistance, so we landed at 10.

1057
01:26:22,670 --> 01:26:25,390
Okay, so you're asking for one more body

1058
01:26:26,550 --> 01:26:29,810
Plus additional services applies. Yes

1059
01:26:43,570 --> 01:26:50,050
One is one firefighter and once is the chief rights of two people

1060
01:26:50,790 --> 01:26:54,590
Well, to the staffing model, it's only one additional person that is in the system.

1061
01:26:56,510 --> 01:27:01,450
And I feel the assistant chief is necessary because you're going to burn out a fire chief having to work 24 hours a day through 75.

1062
01:27:03,090 --> 01:27:05,410
Do you have an approximate cost to that?

1063
01:27:06,090 --> 01:27:06,850
Of the fire chief?

1064
01:27:07,270 --> 01:27:12,930
No, of the one body, one additional body, plus the service and supplies that you put together.

1065
01:27:13,110 --> 01:27:14,230
That's the one way forward.

1066
01:27:17,010 --> 01:27:18,090
Over the budget.

1067
01:27:20,270 --> 01:27:24,450
So putting the expenses from 1.5 to 1.9.

1068
01:27:24,910 --> 01:27:30,310
Right, so that includes increasing your vehicle maintenance, your equipment maintenance, your fuel,

1069
01:27:31,350 --> 01:27:36,370
general supplies, uniforms, and turnouts is the increase.

1070
01:27:36,690 --> 01:27:38,230
So it's about $400,000.

1071
01:27:38,370 --> 01:27:41,130
Yeah, I think it's actually $3.99 to $2.80.

1072
01:27:45,270 --> 01:27:50,030
I want to say that I think everyone up here in this room will leave the public safety

1073
01:27:50,030 --> 01:27:57,970
is incredibly important to our quality of life in tourist city and we need to pass a budget

1074
01:27:57,970 --> 01:28:01,670
and I wish we had this conversation in May.

1075
01:28:02,090 --> 01:28:03,070
I wish we had too.

1076
01:28:05,290 --> 01:28:10,650
I feel that it would be reactionary for the council to make a change of this

1077
01:28:10,650 --> 01:28:15,130
magnitude at this point in time. When we're looking at that kind of money I

1078
01:28:15,130 --> 01:28:19,150
think we need to have a plan and there was a lot of discussion during

1079
01:28:20,690 --> 01:28:25,790
sessions with the project managers but we need to have a plan and we need to

1080
01:28:25,790 --> 01:28:29,110
have buying from the community and we need to have solidarity from the

1081
01:28:29,110 --> 01:28:35,410
council before we just put more money into a budget.

1082
01:28:36,030 --> 01:28:38,610
We did go through an entire budget discussion,

1083
01:28:39,050 --> 01:28:43,310
and there were no changes made minus an administration

1084
01:28:43,870 --> 01:28:45,610
position that was not filled.

1085
01:28:46,270 --> 01:28:51,450
And so we've done some very reactionary things in my opinion.

1086
01:28:51,990 --> 01:28:55,650
We've eliminated ambulance, and then it did not reduce

1087
01:28:55,650 --> 01:28:57,670
the cost of operating the apartment.

1088
01:28:58,030 --> 01:29:02,430
We are still dealing from that and I think we need to have a conversation and it needs

1089
01:29:02,430 --> 01:29:07,230
to involve the community, we need to get all of our rural fire departments together, we

1090
01:29:07,230 --> 01:29:10,750
need to involve emergency management from the county, we need to come up with a solution.

1091
01:29:10,930 --> 01:29:13,190
Chief, you got all the rolled chiefs together, didn't you?

1092
01:29:13,250 --> 01:29:13,490
I did.

1093
01:29:13,670 --> 01:29:15,350
Yeah, and what was the result of that conversation?

1094
01:29:16,370 --> 01:29:21,210
We were talking redistricting, there was no appetite for it, none.

1095
01:29:22,030 --> 01:29:30,570
As I was saying, I think that the council and county incident command and emergency management

1096
01:29:30,570 --> 01:29:38,770
and the community need to have a discussion and maybe there is, maybe we find a way to

1097
01:29:39,790 --> 01:29:44,170
get the appetite for public safety fee that would fund this, but I don't think that

1098
01:29:44,170 --> 01:29:49,850
we can just move money in at the 11 and a half hour of budget when we didn't discuss

1099
01:29:50,890 --> 01:29:55,550
And what I'm saying is if we don't, it's closed and locked.

1100
01:29:56,150 --> 01:29:58,390
There are days you have zero fire protection.

1101
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:11,480
And this is not a threat, this is not, I'm not strong or anything. I'm just, I'm just telling you this is a blatant fact. Today, today should have been a day, week that it was closed, but I had two people step up and take overtime.

1102
01:30:12,700 --> 01:30:24,000
The one person that was scheduled today had to call an assembly. So today was another day, but the department should have been closed. We can't, we can't keep doing this.

1103
01:30:26,620 --> 01:30:33,860
What we're saying is, we can't fund a fire department, we can fund a golf golf.

1104
01:30:35,620 --> 01:30:36,140
On

1105
01:30:40,010 --> 01:30:46,110
the days that they're closed, if your house catches on fire, you're just out of

1106
01:30:46,110 --> 01:30:46,350
luck.

1107
01:30:47,570 --> 01:30:48,430
Sorry about your luck.

1108
01:30:49,970 --> 01:30:52,590
The world gets extremely difficult to make a new to help you.

1109
01:30:53,350 --> 01:30:54,910
But the time frame.

1110
01:30:54,910 --> 01:30:57,170
with a 30 to 60 minute response time.

1111
01:30:57,810 --> 01:31:01,870
I mean, well, it's not just with fire parts.

1112
01:31:02,210 --> 01:31:03,190
It's with Baker County.

1113
01:31:04,330 --> 01:31:06,350
The hospital is floundering, too.

1114
01:31:07,610 --> 01:31:09,510
I found out about it two days ago.

1115
01:31:10,270 --> 01:31:11,390
Finally, it's the paper.

1116
01:31:11,770 --> 01:31:12,270
Thanks, Samantha.

1117
01:31:16,480 --> 01:31:17,780
It's not just the city.

1118
01:31:17,940 --> 01:31:18,340
It's everybody.

1119
01:31:18,860 --> 01:31:20,200
It's Baker County, Terton.

1120
01:31:20,400 --> 01:31:20,680
We're heard.

1121
01:31:21,160 --> 01:31:22,560
The citizens are heard there.

1122
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:24,780
So it's priorities.

1123
01:31:24,780 --> 01:31:31,820
priority. You gotta get your priority stretch. Either we're gonna put out fires that happen

1124
01:31:31,820 --> 01:31:38,780
or response to the wreck. They're gonna cover that wreck because Baker City couldn't respond.

1125
01:31:39,160 --> 01:31:47,860
I listened to it. And I was, I was like, yeah, that's a, let me say, I'll say this where

1126
01:31:47,860 --> 01:31:49,700
I can say it. That's a fine shape.

1127
01:31:49,700 --> 01:31:55,320
Well, one of the big ISO re-region pieces is training.

1128
01:31:55,960 --> 01:31:59,280
Yeah, the interest on your own is going to increase.

1129
01:31:59,980 --> 01:32:02,700
So people don't see it like that.

1130
01:32:03,160 --> 01:32:09,600
But when you get that little, let's say everybody gets 4% or 5% on their taxes,

1131
01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:12,360
which is very low guess.

1132
01:32:13,380 --> 01:32:15,400
And they're going to feel that instantly.

1133
01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:17,500
they go, man, what happened?

1134
01:32:17,900 --> 01:32:21,880
Oh, well, we couldn't come up with $400,000,

1135
01:32:22,340 --> 01:32:28,160
so Baker City is going to, your taxes

1136
01:32:28,160 --> 01:32:32,140
are gonna fill that up with about $1.2 million.

1137
01:32:33,240 --> 01:32:36,040
Cause the insurance is gonna take them, you know,

1138
01:32:36,200 --> 01:32:36,740
one way or another.

1139
01:32:37,140 --> 01:32:38,780
Okay, I'm telling you, off the high board.

1140
01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:44,180
I just wanna say that we are Baker City Council,

1141
01:32:45,560 --> 01:32:50,600
And I'm not going to go to the county for permission to protect the people of Baker City.

1142
01:32:51,720 --> 01:33:03,160
I'm not going to ask permission and make sure that we have the OK from outlining districts to protect our people.

1143
01:33:04,280 --> 01:33:06,880
So we have to do what we have to do.

1144
01:33:07,180 --> 01:33:13,340
I categorically reject the proposal that we pass the buck and we wait and we get permission from someone else.

1145
01:33:13,340 --> 01:33:19,480
it is our job, it is our duty. We've got to figure this out. If we want, I honestly get

1146
01:33:19,480 --> 01:33:23,800
buy-in from the community, people don't want to die. I think that's buy-in. I think to

1147
01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:30,420
bring an Eagle Award that we gave out to the hero because he was the difference

1148
01:33:30,420 --> 01:33:36,160
between someone living and dying. I mean I can't stop living in a city with a

1149
01:33:36,160 --> 01:33:39,800
fire department where my pizza night order gets to me faster than the

1150
01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:42,520
a fire truck where I have to wait half an hour, maybe an hour.

1151
01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:49,680
And the fire insurance that I'm paying has doubled.

1152
01:33:50,700 --> 01:33:54,260
And God only knows if I'm able to rebuild, just

1153
01:33:54,260 --> 01:33:56,540
depending on this, that, and the other things, the floodplains,

1154
01:33:56,660 --> 01:33:58,220
and all else that we've had to talk about.

1155
01:33:58,980 --> 01:34:00,520
That is a horrible straight.

1156
01:34:00,860 --> 01:34:03,400
And we did the disservice to the community

1157
01:34:03,400 --> 01:34:08,760
to confound the issue by trying

1158
01:34:08,760 --> 01:34:14,600
to pass it off to these other committees. We're either in Baker City Council or we're not.

1159
01:34:14,940 --> 01:34:20,720
We're either here to serve the city, to protect the city or we're not. And that's what I was

1160
01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:21,000
saying.

1161
01:34:21,300 --> 01:34:29,560
Mayor of the Addis Council, I will give you my nickels worth of this. I was in yesterday

1162
01:34:29,560 --> 01:34:38,340
to talk to John for a moment, and then Chief Lee was there, and John said,

1163
01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:41,180
why don't the two of you go in room 204 and have a talk?

1164
01:34:43,680 --> 01:34:46,620
And Chief Lee and I went in the other room and talked.

1165
01:34:49,080 --> 01:34:54,140
And I threw an idea out, and you can certainly discuss it.

1166
01:34:54,140 --> 01:35:02,140
I just got a good and bad, I'm not going to say it's a panacea by any means, but you can

1167
01:35:02,140 --> 01:35:06,280
consider it and it's then it's your decision to do whatever it is you want to do.

1168
01:35:08,440 --> 01:35:12,540
I don't know, I asked him a question, is there anything in his proposal that's negotiable?

1169
01:35:13,060 --> 01:35:15,640
He said, well it might be his system chief position.

1170
01:35:16,060 --> 01:35:18,120
I'm not excited about it, but it's a possibility.

1171
01:35:19,300 --> 01:35:28,140
And we often, I said, well, I might recommend that we approve adding to the budget to 308,000

1172
01:35:28,140 --> 01:35:32,580
to cover everything, but you can choose to put the assistant chief in.

1173
01:35:32,820 --> 01:35:38,800
I'm not going to tell you to do it or not do it, but I think you have to have the prior record.

1174
01:35:39,020 --> 01:35:40,900
That's my opinion.

1175
01:35:43,340 --> 01:35:52,660
And the funding for that is a little interesting, and again, 308 versus 399, that's your call.

1176
01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:55,460
What I would probably do,

1177
01:35:58,190 --> 01:36:04,450
since we don't have to make the $120,000 transfer to golf this

1178
01:36:04,450 --> 01:36:10,170
year, we can do it next year, because we have 700,000 in there, so we've got more

1179
01:36:10,170 --> 01:36:12,470
than not to do what we have to do for golf.

1180
01:36:12,950 --> 01:36:16,290
So I would reduce the $120,000 transfer.

1181
01:36:16,990 --> 01:36:19,010
There's $120,000 in money.

1182
01:36:19,510 --> 01:36:23,370
And then I would spend $188,000 of your fund balance

1183
01:36:23,370 --> 01:36:28,990
carried over so that you have $188,000 less next year,

1184
01:36:29,370 --> 01:36:30,870
assuming that's where we are.

1185
01:36:31,310 --> 01:36:36,210
That gives you $308,000 to pay for what one person

1186
01:36:36,210 --> 01:36:41,610
and the additional supplies that the chief indicates to me.

1187
01:36:42,550 --> 01:36:45,530
The other option is to fund the full thing,

1188
01:36:45,970 --> 01:36:49,210
$399,000, and that means you've got to take more

1189
01:36:49,210 --> 01:36:50,610
out of the beginning fund balance.

1190
01:36:51,050 --> 01:36:53,590
So I think those are your options out there

1191
01:36:53,590 --> 01:36:55,130
and you can discuss that.

1192
01:36:59,230 --> 01:37:01,810
Did not suggest that we pass the buck.

1193
01:37:02,290 --> 01:37:04,510
I suggested that we come up with a plan.

1194
01:37:05,330 --> 01:37:12,670
And this room was packed with people who begged the City Council to keep the ambulance

1195
01:37:13,130 --> 01:37:16,910
and ambulance revenue subsidized fire departments.

1196
01:37:17,730 --> 01:37:23,950
And this council and the previous council decided, after hearing all that testimony,

1197
01:37:24,590 --> 01:37:26,110
not to keep the ambulance.

1198
01:37:26,650 --> 01:37:32,250
So the current system that we're in is we now have a fire department with no subsidy

1199
01:37:32,250 --> 01:37:40,150
from medical transport, we need to come up with a plan that is not passing the buck.

1200
01:37:40,830 --> 01:37:49,010
It is a plan. And just moving money when we can't even get applicants at this point.

1201
01:37:49,430 --> 01:37:55,150
And I mean this is not a Baker City Fire Department issue. Getting applicants is an issue in Baker.

1202
01:37:55,770 --> 01:38:00,750
Housing is an issue in Baker. And if we're going to move forward with something that is sustainable,

1203
01:38:00,750 --> 01:38:07,650
simple. We have to have a plan. And I mean no events to the work you've done here. But

1204
01:38:07,650 --> 01:38:17,840
a plan is not a presentation with the threats that we're going to go upside down. The community

1205
01:38:17,840 --> 01:38:22,420
has spoken in the past and the Council moved forward in a different direction. All I'm

1206
01:38:22,420 --> 01:38:28,140
saying is we need to bring everyone together and we need to come up with a plan. Funding

1207
01:38:28,140 --> 01:38:28,960
I think it's not a plan.

1208
01:38:31,810 --> 01:38:32,150
Dean?

1209
01:38:33,360 --> 01:38:33,930
Chief Lee.

1210
01:38:34,290 --> 01:38:35,630
Talk to Dean Olson next.

1211
01:38:35,730 --> 01:38:36,590
OK, sorry, question.

1212
01:38:38,140 --> 01:38:41,770
Yeah, can I just curiosity, because I

1213
01:38:41,770 --> 01:38:46,870
think part of the funding that we're counting on this year

1214
01:38:47,260 --> 01:38:52,330
or in the next operating cycle comes from $490,000

1215
01:38:52,330 --> 01:38:53,570
from Street Fund.

1216
01:38:54,430 --> 01:38:57,810
The other $500,000 is from funds

1217
01:38:57,810 --> 01:39:16,850
that supposedly we're going to get from a gas tank. That's subject to the public voting on that, and if they vote no, we're going to be $500,000 short.

1218
01:39:17,050 --> 01:39:17,890
That's not an exception.

1219
01:39:19,610 --> 01:39:25,990
So you're $950,000 short, you need $490,000, you're taking from the street fund, which

1220
01:39:25,990 --> 01:39:28,590
you previously said was going to be a public safety fee.

1221
01:39:29,050 --> 01:39:33,330
And then you're taking the remainder from COVID money, and that runs out next year.

1222
01:39:33,450 --> 01:39:34,930
Right, so those two funds are gone.

1223
01:39:35,410 --> 01:39:42,550
So, yes, you, so starting off next year, you need a funding source that funds that,

1224
01:39:42,550 --> 01:39:48,570
and then you'll need a funding source that funds the golf course loan and then

1225
01:39:48,570 --> 01:39:51,070
if you do this you need a funding source that funds debts.

1226
01:39:53,430 --> 01:39:56,790
Yeah. What I propose simply

1227
01:39:56,790 --> 01:40:03,570
gets you through the next 13 months. I realize what I'm trying to just

1228
01:40:03,570 --> 01:40:10,170
establish is that in the next offering is like when we're through it we are

1229
01:40:10,170 --> 01:40:16,050
going to have a funding source issue if, in fact, we do not have those funds come to fruition

1230
01:40:16,570 --> 01:40:24,310
and those other funds are gone. So we're counting on something that we don't even know whether

1231
01:40:24,310 --> 01:40:31,310
it's going to come to fruition or not. The money that's here, the 490 is in this

1232
01:40:31,310 --> 01:40:35,990
budget that's been transferred from the streets is there to get a suit for the

1233
01:40:35,990 --> 01:40:39,670
the next 30 months. And the issue is 24-25.

1234
01:40:39,830 --> 01:40:40,310
That's right.

1235
01:40:46,840 --> 01:40:51,100
Chief Lee, if you hire one more firefighter, that will stabilize.

1236
01:40:52,540 --> 01:40:58,500
If we can have the nine line staff, three lieutenants, and a full-time chief,

1237
01:40:59,460 --> 01:41:02,120
it starts that foundation, but you're going to kill the chief.

1238
01:41:02,620 --> 01:41:05,060
He's going to be on 365 days a year.

1239
01:41:07,640 --> 01:41:08,440
It's a start.

1240
01:41:10,390 --> 01:41:12,790
And we have to stop the downward tomorrow.

1241
01:41:13,130 --> 01:41:13,350
Right.

1242
01:41:13,710 --> 01:41:14,210
We have to.

1243
01:41:17,620 --> 01:41:19,240
And all we're going to do is do it.

1244
01:41:19,300 --> 01:41:20,860
But people are going to die if we don't fix this.

1245
01:41:21,580 --> 01:41:24,080
And I'll tell you what, that's going to get really bad.

1246
01:41:28,190 --> 01:41:31,230
Do you have any questions on the service and supply of our department?

1247
01:41:31,490 --> 01:41:32,470
Is some of that negotiable?

1248
01:41:36,010 --> 01:41:40,550
So what happened is, if you remember when we were having meetings early online with

1249
01:41:40,550 --> 01:41:45,090
council, we were talking about revenue sources, and the discussion came out with

1250
01:41:45,090 --> 01:41:48,630
and the public safety fee was a genesis

1251
01:41:48,630 --> 01:41:50,070
for part of that discussion.

1252
01:41:50,910 --> 01:41:56,330
It was very clear, we stated that staff needed to cut

1253
01:41:57,650 --> 01:41:59,290
expenses to balance the budget

1254
01:41:59,290 --> 01:42:00,710
so that we could live within our means.

1255
01:42:01,270 --> 01:42:05,510
And so what happened is, as we did our internal budgeting

1256
01:42:05,510 --> 01:42:06,730
and I went to different departments,

1257
01:42:07,310 --> 01:42:10,530
I very quickly stated to chief lawyer, chief duty,

1258
01:42:10,530 --> 01:42:17,790
look when I have a revenue source council said cut we're gonna cut and so they

1259
01:42:17,790 --> 01:42:22,110
went in and looked for every opportunity remember I brought that big long list of

1260
01:42:22,110 --> 01:42:27,230
all the areas that we were trimming out materials and services and part of what

1261
01:42:27,230 --> 01:42:34,810
he is proposing is some of those areas be refunded because or be re-established

1262
01:42:34,810 --> 01:42:38,970
because a significant one was vehicle maintenance.

1263
01:42:41,420 --> 01:42:43,740
I think that gives us that, the type of platforms,

1264
01:42:44,120 --> 01:42:45,320
turnouts, and things like that.

1265
01:42:45,700 --> 01:42:47,920
And so that's, we brought a budget,

1266
01:42:48,020 --> 01:42:50,380
or a balanced budget, because that's what we're tasked to do.

1267
01:42:51,560 --> 01:42:55,420
Okay, so if we move the 120 that we have

1268
01:42:55,420 --> 01:43:00,140
in the current budget proposal over to the fire department

1269
01:43:00,140 --> 01:43:04,100
and take 188 out of our Indian fund balance,

1270
01:43:04,100 --> 01:43:07,960
That gives us a 793, right?

1271
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:16,500
So at least it's a stock gap, at least because we're going to be talking about revenue enhancements

1272
01:43:17,100 --> 01:43:19,660
probably for the most of the next year, what we can do.

1273
01:43:20,100 --> 01:43:20,360
Yes.

1274
01:43:21,320 --> 01:43:28,210
You know, I guess at some point we're just going to have to move forward because I

1275
01:43:28,210 --> 01:43:31,110
I agree with Councilor Wightman, public safety,

1276
01:43:31,810 --> 01:43:34,310
this is the number one priority of any government in it,

1277
01:43:34,590 --> 01:43:36,570
and we have to move forward.

1278
01:43:37,190 --> 01:43:40,290
We can't, because I've already had a talk

1279
01:43:40,290 --> 01:43:44,330
with several of the police department members.

1280
01:43:45,610 --> 01:43:49,030
If there's cuts coming, they're looking,

1281
01:43:49,930 --> 01:43:51,530
there's no stability here in the city,

1282
01:43:51,830 --> 01:43:54,150
and they're gonna be looking for stability,

1283
01:43:54,290 --> 01:43:55,430
which means they're moving on,

1284
01:43:55,430 --> 01:44:03,890
and it is hard enough to find people just in today's environment so I'm not all

1285
01:44:03,890 --> 01:44:12,350
opposed to your idea and I think this this council has to give this to the

1286
01:44:12,350 --> 01:44:17,250
public this is what we're here for and this is this is the start of the

1287
01:44:17,250 --> 01:44:21,390
foundation right know that this is going to cost you more in the future but

1288
01:44:21,390 --> 01:44:23,030
But this is the start of the foundation.

1289
01:44:23,630 --> 01:44:27,310
You can attract a fire chief that can come in and build from here.

1290
01:44:28,110 --> 01:44:32,350
This is what you really need to do if you want fire chiefs to come and stay.

1291
01:44:33,530 --> 01:44:35,450
Fire chiefs are going to clarify.

1292
01:44:35,890 --> 01:44:47,730
So the dollar amount that Kent was suggesting, 188, that would cut the fire assistant chief

1293
01:44:47,730 --> 01:44:47,990
out.

1294
01:44:47,990 --> 01:44:54,430
yes and one of your comments was that they would burn out the fire chief will

1295
01:44:54,430 --> 01:44:59,250
burn out yes so you know the fire chief is going to burn out

1296
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:04,540
Will you get applicants based on the fact that they're going to look at that and they're

1297
01:45:04,540 --> 01:45:12,340
going to say, I can't take this job. I mean, it's a losing proposition from the front end.

1298
01:45:12,580 --> 01:45:19,000
Yeah, if we can get one that's willing to build a department, they may take it knowing they're

1299
01:45:19,600 --> 01:45:23,820
going to build it. This is going to be the next step. They'll implement an assistant chief.

1300
01:45:23,820 --> 01:45:26,720
if they'll build to their model.

1301
01:45:27,940 --> 01:45:33,360
So based on this, you mentioned that you're not getting

1302
01:45:33,360 --> 01:45:37,120
any applicants at the current point

1303
01:45:37,680 --> 01:45:40,400
because of the instability that you're seeing.

1304
01:45:40,720 --> 01:45:42,120
Definitely, that's the reason, yes.

1305
01:45:42,500 --> 01:45:44,660
And I suspect it probably would be too.

1306
01:45:45,900 --> 01:45:50,340
If, in fact, that we put the monies in the budget

1307
01:45:50,340 --> 01:45:58,720
for the proposal, do you see that occurring and you will begin to see these applicants

1308
01:45:58,720 --> 01:45:59,460
from outside?

1309
01:45:59,740 --> 01:46:06,060
I think if we can make it known to the world that we are fixing this, we have set a foundation,

1310
01:46:06,760 --> 01:46:07,860
we are moving forward.

1311
01:46:08,860 --> 01:46:09,820
I think we can get it done.

1312
01:46:09,920 --> 01:46:14,400
There's a gentleman, I've been twisting his arm really hard to come apply and he's finally

1313
01:46:14,400 --> 01:46:15,220
agreed to apply.

1314
01:46:15,360 --> 01:46:16,200
He doesn't have it done yet.

1315
01:46:18,340 --> 01:46:25,500
But yeah, I think, you know, even a person like that, if we could say we accomplished this step, next step is on you.

1316
01:46:27,480 --> 01:46:35,500
Yeah, I don't think that we don't build the fire department. What's going to happen is we're going to have an outcry in the community that's just going to be overwhelming.

1317
01:46:36,340 --> 01:46:38,600
I don't see that that's going to be the way out.

1318
01:46:40,100 --> 01:46:41,680
I appreciate your service.

1319
01:46:42,500 --> 01:46:42,960
Thank you.

1320
01:46:42,960 --> 01:47:00,340
So I just want to clarify, in the budget that the Budget Committee approved, there is $100,000 for the fire travel lease in the budget, and then the vehicle maintenance was kept at exactly what was adopted for this year.

1321
01:47:00,660 --> 01:47:07,880
It wasn't adjusted down at all, it was $25,000. It had been adjusted down after removal of the ambulance service.

1322
01:47:13,820 --> 01:47:23,620
We're asking to add 5,000 to that, and if you look in the prior year, which meant 59,000, we had amulances then.

1323
01:47:23,780 --> 01:47:32,000
But we had engines. One of our fire engines spent multiple months in Boise being repaired, multiple times.

1324
01:47:32,100 --> 01:47:34,980
It was down there months on end, multiple times.

1325
01:47:34,980 --> 01:47:37,240
And that's what the release is for?

1326
01:47:37,540 --> 01:47:40,260
Well, we'll replace that engine and replace the older engine.

1327
01:47:41,400 --> 01:47:43,040
Both the engines are in bad shape.

1328
01:47:44,580 --> 01:47:48,540
So we'll replace the oldest one, keep the 20-year-old.

1329
01:47:49,300 --> 01:47:51,040
And with this lease payment, we'll

1330
01:47:51,040 --> 01:47:53,380
be asking the city to commit to this permanently.

1331
01:47:54,380 --> 01:47:57,060
And every 10 years, we'll move them down the line.

1332
01:47:57,480 --> 01:48:00,500
We still keep them 30 years, which is 15 years

1333
01:48:00,500 --> 01:48:06,880
pass their lifespan but you will keep you will have a reliable first out agent at all times

1334
01:48:07,640 --> 01:48:17,080
I just wanted to point out that the training budget was was not trimmed at all it remained at

1335
01:48:17,080 --> 01:48:21,900
12,000 which it has historically been at 12,000 and we have made changes that was

1336
01:48:22,440 --> 01:48:28,120
remaining at 25 which it had been in the previous budget and that we did have the lease approved

1337
01:48:28,120 --> 01:48:32,360
So those things are in the budget that was approved and presented by the budget.

1338
01:48:32,500 --> 01:48:37,580
So back to the vehicle maintenance, if you have to rebuild a fire pump, you'll get $20,000

1339
01:48:37,580 --> 01:48:38,960
just off the top.

1340
01:48:40,580 --> 01:48:43,880
So and I know that because Baker Rural is facing that right now.

1341
01:48:45,640 --> 01:48:52,720
So yeah, one pump rebuilds the Leitha Entire Limited and all it takes is a rock,

1342
01:48:56,540 --> 01:48:56,920
a quarter

1343
01:48:56,920 --> 01:49:04,340
This kind of goes beyond the subject, but the financial standing of being a rural is very

1344
01:49:04,340 --> 01:49:05,620
tenuous of this one.

1345
01:49:05,680 --> 01:49:05,840
Yeah.

1346
01:49:06,560 --> 01:49:06,780
Yeah.

1347
01:49:08,820 --> 01:49:11,580
So doesn't it seem like a good time to make a plan for the future?

1348
01:49:11,920 --> 01:49:13,240
Yeah, to have people willing to do it.

1349
01:49:14,400 --> 01:49:17,740
If fire chiefs aren't willing to do it, you can't force them.

1350
01:49:19,750 --> 01:49:26,070
And, to be honest, as unstable as the cities appeared, there's not a lot of interest.

1351
01:49:26,070 --> 01:49:31,590
partners. And if you don't have stable partners, who wants to get involved?

1352
01:49:35,390 --> 01:49:39,290
Councilmember, we still have that ambulance, correct? That we're going to get rid of?

1353
01:49:39,870 --> 01:49:40,050
Correct.

1354
01:49:40,070 --> 01:49:43,690
And if I report to that old level that's holding case where we want to give it to somebody

1355
01:49:43,690 --> 01:49:46,090
or something, we still have to do the stimulus business.

1356
01:49:46,290 --> 01:49:53,290
So, I want to add that to the agenda and put it into this thing right here for the

1357
01:49:53,290 --> 01:49:54,330
the lease of the new Indian.

1358
01:49:55,110 --> 01:49:57,350
That's what we were supposed to do with that money anyway

1359
01:49:57,350 --> 01:49:59,010
with the Anglics is when we folded.

1360
01:50:00,090 --> 01:50:01,490
So that's where the lease was.

1361
01:50:01,490 --> 01:50:04,150
And we kept that one because we wanted a relief vehicle

1362
01:50:04,150 --> 01:50:05,690
in case somebody overheated.

1363
01:50:06,350 --> 01:50:07,610
And now we don't need it.

1364
01:50:07,770 --> 01:50:11,250
So now it sets in the lawn and we do maintenance on it

1365
01:50:11,250 --> 01:50:13,190
because we own it.

1366
01:50:13,910 --> 01:50:16,050
So sell it.

1367
01:50:17,210 --> 01:50:18,810
It's excess property.

1368
01:50:18,810 --> 01:50:23,410
I've heard this excess property stuff for a long time.

1369
01:50:24,870 --> 01:50:28,550
And I'm tired of having excess property that worth money

1370
01:50:28,550 --> 01:50:31,230
when we're in the strengths that we're in.

1371
01:50:31,730 --> 01:50:35,550
So, somebody bring it to me, or I'll sponsor it myself.

1372
01:50:36,050 --> 01:50:36,610
Sell it,

1373
01:50:38,710 --> 01:50:39,030
steam.

1374
01:50:39,590 --> 01:50:40,850
Yeah, I was just gonna ask it,

1375
01:50:41,650 --> 01:50:43,170
how long is it gonna take for it to be,

1376
01:50:43,930 --> 01:50:48,010
if we do go into a lease agreement on a fire engine,

1377
01:50:48,110 --> 01:50:49,390
how long will it actually take

1378
01:50:52,710 --> 01:50:56,090
In April, there's one we're going to have that day.

1379
01:50:56,550 --> 01:50:59,690
It's just a matter of finding a demo unit that will suit us.

1380
01:51:00,810 --> 01:51:05,750
Yeah, there are several demos around and the dealers are bringing around showing everybody.

1381
01:51:06,390 --> 01:51:09,290
So it's just a matter of finding one that suits us and say we'll take that one.

1382
01:51:09,590 --> 01:51:12,990
And then it's probably 30 to 60 days before they crack it and get it to us.

1383
01:51:12,990 --> 01:51:18,490
Yeah, if we get a demo, if we order one, it's three years?

1384
01:51:18,650 --> 01:51:20,090
36 to 48 months.

1385
01:51:20,610 --> 01:51:24,490
And there's a federal emissions change coming in that, which

1386
01:51:24,490 --> 01:51:26,950
is the reason they no longer guarantee the final price.

1387
01:51:27,250 --> 01:51:28,810
And how long is that demo?

1388
01:51:29,270 --> 01:51:33,610
Is that something that has been just a demo to various cities

1389
01:51:33,610 --> 01:51:34,090
or something?

1390
01:51:34,230 --> 01:51:35,730
Yeah, they come off the line.

1391
01:51:36,730 --> 01:51:39,890
Salesmen drive them around the fire departments

1392
01:51:39,890 --> 01:51:40,770
in the Western states.

1393
01:51:40,770 --> 01:51:46,070
They never actually get used or pumped. They have no equipment on them. They're just a hey come look at my truck

1394
01:51:46,070 --> 01:51:49,950
This is what we built. All right, and we can custom build this one for you

1395
01:51:55,510 --> 01:51:56,550
Anything else?

1396
01:52:01,260 --> 01:52:03,200
I'm just thinking out loud

1397
01:52:03,860 --> 01:52:08,800
If we're really looking at being serious about rebuilding the fire department

1398
01:52:10,220 --> 01:52:12,700
And we have that essentially brand new

1399
01:52:13,760 --> 01:52:19,440
amulets then I think that that would go a long way we sold that then that would

1400
01:52:19,440 --> 01:52:24,460
be the money that we need and there's our plan that we can have to start well

1401
01:52:24,460 --> 01:52:29,140
well it's a start your plan was just to start in the first place but just the way

1402
01:52:29,140 --> 01:52:34,100
that I see it is we can't wait until January we can't wait we can't put it

1403
01:52:34,100 --> 01:52:39,620
off whatever we can do right now could be the difference between life and death

1404
01:52:39,620 --> 01:52:47,100
And I don't think that that's exaggerating since we're talking about public safety and just the fact that we're having

1405
01:52:47,100 --> 01:52:53,220
The station locked right now tomorrow. He said tomorrow. It's Sunday Sunday locked

1406
01:52:53,220 --> 01:52:56,980
Yeah, and so God forbid if there's a fire, yeah

1407
01:52:56,980 --> 01:52:59,160
Then we're having somebody come from

1408
01:52:59,700 --> 01:53:02,740
Where's the the nearest make a world we've been here?

1409
01:53:03,140 --> 01:53:03,740
Hey

1410
01:53:03,740 --> 01:53:05,640
You know

1411
01:53:06,520 --> 01:53:16,700
summer time right yes right so yeah so I think that that is a great way to go

1412
01:53:16,700 --> 01:53:24,540
forward and I don't see any reason why we shouldn't thank you thank you

1413
01:53:32,690 --> 01:53:36,320
so since Councilor Wagner and it sounds like

1414
01:53:36,320 --> 01:53:41,720
as well, want to sponsor that and they can sponsor that agenda item and come to you as

1415
01:53:41,720 --> 01:53:47,780
a disposition resolution that we created. So I think we're anticipating, you know,

1416
01:53:47,920 --> 01:53:54,260
a $30,000 for it. We're anticipating another $65,000 from the other one. And so you add

1417
01:53:54,260 --> 01:54:00,640
that to the $380,000 and whatever you have, $580,000, $640,000. So you're in the range

1418
01:54:00,640 --> 01:54:02,960
which is all part of an engine lease

1419
01:54:02,960 --> 01:54:04,920
that you can then pay over the years.

1420
01:54:05,380 --> 01:54:06,840
So, be pretty close.

1421
01:54:09,600 --> 01:54:16,420
So is there any more discussion on the budget?

1422
01:54:20,510 --> 01:54:20,670
Yeah.

1423
01:54:24,010 --> 01:54:31,070
So it sounds to me like we do that in some of the annuals

1424
01:54:31,070 --> 01:54:41,050
and some of the creative accounting can suggest that we could get pretty much what we want done

1425
01:54:42,130 --> 01:54:49,910
with the budget board as suggested with the addition of the fire department increase.

1426
01:54:50,650 --> 01:54:53,110
It sounds to me like we can get all of that done.

1427
01:54:56,110 --> 01:54:59,690
And that's the case that I would propose that we

1428
01:55:00,550 --> 01:55:02,570
approve the budget with those changes.

1429
01:55:07,090 --> 01:55:10,510
And then this council just has a lot of work to do toward

1430
01:55:11,270 --> 01:55:17,170
funding some additional revenue sources, which I think we can do if we decide we won't work together.

1431
01:55:19,670 --> 01:55:24,530
And so I guess that would be my emotion to go ahead and improve with those changes.

1432
01:55:27,610 --> 01:55:30,190
So we need to walk through, you know, just change.

1433
01:55:31,050 --> 01:55:31,730
You just change.

1434
01:55:31,830 --> 01:55:31,970
Yeah.

1435
01:55:32,310 --> 01:55:43,550
So the question that I would have and just are you going to add the assistant chief or

1436
01:55:43,550 --> 01:55:44,250
not at least.

1437
01:55:44,550 --> 01:55:48,170
A lot of it suggests that we do not have the assistant chief at this point.

1438
01:55:50,210 --> 01:56:01,090
Then the numbers for the channels on the changes, and I've got what you can give the channel for very long, okay, you got it.

1439
01:56:01,190 --> 01:56:15,770
It would add $262,000 to the person health services part of the fire department budget, and it would add $46,000 to the materials and services portion of the budget.

1440
01:56:16,630 --> 01:56:29,270
And then we would reduce the carryover from $981,000 to $793,000 one fall.

1441
01:56:30,030 --> 01:56:31,830
And that's that $188,000, right?

1442
01:56:32,070 --> 01:56:32,330
Correct.

1443
01:56:33,070 --> 01:56:40,530
And then we would delete the transfer to the golf course of $120,000.

1444
01:56:40,550 --> 01:56:42,710
We'd leave the $29,000.

1445
01:56:46,310 --> 01:56:52,790
That would be $380,000, and we'd balance the increase to the fire department.

1446
01:56:52,910 --> 01:56:56,870
Does that incorporate the sale of the ambulance?

1447
01:56:57,050 --> 01:56:57,270
No.

1448
01:56:58,110 --> 01:57:00,650
That would go to the sale of the ambulance.

1449
01:57:01,430 --> 01:57:03,290
That would go into the fire department.

1450
01:57:05,990 --> 01:57:09,030
I have a question on the personnel cost, though.

1451
01:57:09,430 --> 01:57:12,150
$262,000, I thought we were only adding one person.

1452
01:57:12,150 --> 01:57:17,730
We're increasing 340-hour firefighters, which is what we did to make it the most of the

1453
01:57:17,730 --> 01:57:22,790
means to cut that down to bring those back up to 56-hour firefighters, which means a

1454
01:57:22,790 --> 01:57:28,030
lot more time, a lot more paid time off, a lot more per-s, insurance, and stuff.

1455
01:57:29,150 --> 01:57:36,490
It's 59,000 higher than one person in the salary budget, 60,000 in the overtime budget,

1456
01:57:36,490 --> 01:57:45,150
16,000 additional for the social security burden to value above $46,000 to add in from the per

1457
01:57:45,150 --> 01:57:52,170
budget, $6,000 for the workforce comp budget, and $75,000 for health insurance. It's not

1458
01:57:52,170 --> 01:57:55,930
cheap. But you got to have a fire department.

1459
01:57:57,860 --> 01:57:58,080
Dean?

1460
01:57:59,000 --> 01:58:03,420
Yeah, we were talking about, yeah, are there any other budget items? I'm a little concerned

1461
01:58:03,420 --> 01:58:09,300
about $75,000 we have in the budget for legal people.

1462
01:58:09,900 --> 01:58:13,460
John has already said that it's going to cost $75,000.

1463
01:58:13,580 --> 01:58:14,940
Basically, that's the face.

1464
01:58:16,060 --> 01:58:20,560
And with his departure and with some issues that are coming up

1465
01:58:20,560 --> 01:58:27,180
with a legal issue with a specific individual

1466
01:58:27,180 --> 01:58:32,560
in the police department that he's not going to be here in town

1467
01:58:32,560 --> 01:58:40,540
to testify. So if he is requested to come back, he's not going to do it for free. So you're

1468
01:58:40,540 --> 01:58:47,000
going to have issues pertaining to legal issues in the future that are probably already

1469
01:58:47,000 --> 01:58:53,900
covered in 75,000, which is going to be more than that. And if we don't address that, we'll

1470
01:58:53,900 --> 01:58:58,100
address it later, whether we address it today or whether we address it later, because

1471
01:58:58,100 --> 01:59:03,180
we're going to be shifting money out of one account in order to, you know, achieve that.

1472
01:59:03,660 --> 01:59:08,840
We can wait. I mean, we can. It's just that sometimes, again, the road will probably be going

1473
01:59:08,840 --> 01:59:14,360
to end up having to move money from one account to another in order to address that shortage.

1474
01:59:15,640 --> 01:59:21,400
And in the comment, you have 98,000 contingency, which is probably where

1475
01:59:21,400 --> 01:59:27,720
I would file away and say, if you have to increase your legal budget, that's where we're going to go.

1476
01:59:29,500 --> 01:59:32,100
And I think we'll go up, I don't disagree with you at all.

1477
01:59:35,430 --> 01:59:46,230
It could come from the savings between what is on salary and his bed at best,

1478
01:59:46,930 --> 01:59:51,130
and in relationship with the contract that we're going to be, so there's somebody there.

1479
01:59:51,130 --> 01:59:54,130
You have a lot, I would wait until you get to that one.

1480
01:59:54,430 --> 01:59:54,570
Right.

1481
01:59:54,990 --> 01:59:56,810
Do what you need to do.

1482
01:59:57,190 --> 01:59:59,510
So is there any more definition that needs to be.

1483
02:00:02,460 --> 02:00:06,060
You said it increased the legal, but you didn't say how much.

1484
02:00:06,300 --> 02:00:08,560
The contingency is...

1485
02:00:08,560 --> 02:00:15,100
It wasn't really, it was just to bring it up that we probably need to be looking at that in the future.

1486
02:00:15,740 --> 02:00:17,860
And it doesn't necessarily need to be done.

1487
02:00:18,160 --> 02:00:19,400
We can always move on.

1488
02:00:20,720 --> 02:00:24,660
But it's something that the council needs to be aware of.

1489
02:00:25,240 --> 02:00:28,520
So the other part would be the 135100,

1490
02:00:28,700 --> 02:00:35,940
we call force capital project, changing the 1304 from 500 to 300,000.

1491
02:00:36,480 --> 02:00:40,460
And then we're going to leave 700,000 or 575,000, 5704.

1492
02:00:43,640 --> 02:00:44,440
Good to you, Mr. Chairman.

1493
02:00:44,700 --> 02:00:45,640
And then the other piece.

1494
02:00:45,640 --> 02:00:48,580
I would probably leave 700,000 in there at this point.

1495
02:00:48,760 --> 02:00:51,500
And I would reduce the transfer because we're not going to make that.

1496
02:00:51,740 --> 02:00:54,440
So I would have 120,000 out of that.

1497
02:00:56,840 --> 02:01:04,080
So leave the 700,000, look at the 500,000, move that 830,000, okay move that to 3,000.

1498
02:01:04,620 --> 02:01:05,000
I'll

1499
02:01:12,270 --> 02:01:23,370
say that I think this means off the cuff your target goal to raise your revenues over the next year is a $1.5 million sustainable revenue supply.

1500
02:01:23,370 --> 02:01:30,230
You need to come up with one point I've known because you're beginning working capital next

1501
02:01:30,230 --> 02:01:36,690
year unless something amazing happens is going to be gone.

1502
02:01:39,340 --> 02:01:40,100
Building that motion.

1503
02:01:42,310 --> 02:01:44,980
With those clarifications to the motion on the second.

1504
02:01:48,740 --> 02:01:49,180
All right.

1505
02:01:49,280 --> 02:01:51,000
The motion and the second.

1506
02:01:51,780 --> 02:01:51,860
All.

1507
02:01:52,780 --> 02:01:57,320
Oh, well I had just one question just for curiosity.

1508
02:01:57,320 --> 02:01:57,720
to be safe.

1509
02:01:58,300 --> 02:02:01,400
What would the changes that we discussed

1510
02:02:02,000 --> 02:02:05,880
to the approved budget, how would that compare

1511
02:02:05,880 --> 02:02:09,100
to the original proposed budget that we worked off of?

1512
02:02:09,600 --> 02:02:12,400
What would it be closer to just in terms of changes?

1513
02:02:14,160 --> 02:02:17,680
Well, from the proposed budget to the approved budget,

1514
02:02:18,370 --> 02:02:21,420
there was a million dollar liability added on

1515
02:02:21,910 --> 02:02:24,560
and it's unfunded over a 10 year period basically.

1516
02:02:25,860 --> 02:02:38,140
You have a $120,000 transfer in year one that was not funded, and then you've added

1517
02:02:38,140 --> 02:02:46,280
back some things into the fire department that we don't, they need a funding source.

1518
02:02:46,280 --> 02:03:03,100
and the finance department's position was cut to offset some of that money was taken out of IT and then it was taken out of legal fees as well to try to offset those extra expenses

1519
02:03:03,100 --> 02:03:05,440
and so your expenses are up

1520
02:03:05,440 --> 02:03:07,680
and the roof repair is also locked up

1521
02:03:07,680 --> 02:03:09,480
yeah the roof was all in debt

1522
02:03:09,480 --> 02:03:10,800
every apartment

1523
02:03:10,800 --> 02:03:13,740
cemetery, parks, everybody trimmed up

1524
02:03:13,740 --> 02:03:16,520
But from your proposed budget to your approved budget,

1525
02:03:16,820 --> 02:03:19,420
there was additional expense,

1526
02:03:19,940 --> 02:03:21,180
and then there's some additional in here,

1527
02:03:21,300 --> 02:03:21,840
and that's why I say,

1528
02:03:22,260 --> 02:03:24,780
your begin working capital is dwindling,

1529
02:03:25,400 --> 02:03:27,320
and has been for 20 years,

1530
02:03:27,660 --> 02:03:31,200
and now it's kind of that pivot point

1531
02:03:31,200 --> 02:03:34,380
where it deal with it today or it's done.

1532
02:03:34,960 --> 02:03:37,460
So we just kind of get that line, that turn point.

1533
02:03:37,960 --> 02:03:41,520
Okay, can I get a comparison,

1534
02:03:41,520 --> 02:03:46,940
I guess with the beginning working capital between what we've discussed now

1535
02:04:11,580 --> 02:04:13,560
300 out at the end of the capitol.

1536
02:04:14,220 --> 02:04:17,460
See, the original, I was looking at the original

1537
02:04:17,940 --> 02:04:20,560
unappropriated ending fund balance was a million three.

1538
02:04:21,580 --> 02:04:24,420
And now it's going to be 793,000.

1539
02:04:24,540 --> 02:04:27,120
So it's about half what's going on.

1540
02:04:27,200 --> 02:04:30,080
But keep in mind, you take out capital credits

1541
02:04:30,080 --> 02:04:31,840
of what, 300,200?

1542
02:04:32,700 --> 02:04:33,880
That's an 80 to 80.

1543
02:04:34,020 --> 02:04:36,740
So let's say, take out 300,000 capital credits

1544
02:04:36,740 --> 02:04:39,480
and then whatever's left of the COVID money

1545
02:04:39,480 --> 02:04:43,040
and you're down to 300,000 beginning working capital pretty quick.

1546
02:04:43,680 --> 02:04:44,540
It'll be tight.

1547
02:04:44,700 --> 02:04:45,320
For the next year.

1548
02:04:45,700 --> 02:04:50,280
Is there any deer and COVID money being requested back?

1549
02:04:50,900 --> 02:04:51,260
There's that.

1550
02:04:51,520 --> 02:04:52,660
I'm not too worried about that.

1551
02:04:52,700 --> 02:04:52,880
Okay.

1552
02:04:53,780 --> 02:04:55,600
I know there's only a few that's not spent.

1553
02:04:56,100 --> 02:04:57,820
We have, I think, been pretty close to that.

1554
02:04:57,820 --> 02:05:00,720
Capital allocates those in the parameters that's required.

1555
02:05:01,180 --> 02:05:01,700
So we're okay.

1556
02:05:02,060 --> 02:05:02,160
Yeah.

1557
02:05:04,670 --> 02:05:05,470
Any other discussion?

1558
02:05:06,410 --> 02:05:08,170
There's a motion and a second.

1559
02:05:08,990 --> 02:05:09,810
Do you want to receive?

1560
02:05:14,410 --> 02:05:21,850
I would move that we accept the budget as proposed with the changes described by Mr.

1561
02:05:21,950 --> 02:05:26,490
Maven that will bring them to the fire department.

1562
02:05:27,070 --> 02:05:27,150
Yeah.

1563
02:05:32,020 --> 02:05:33,500
Oh, and we had to say.

1564
02:05:33,860 --> 02:05:34,640
So, all in favor?

1565
02:05:38,010 --> 02:05:38,810
All opposed?

1566
02:05:40,130 --> 02:05:40,830
Mr. Carries?

1567
02:05:43,270 --> 02:05:48,710
So there are two things that have to happen, there's two resolutions, one for the next

1568
02:05:48,710 --> 02:05:53,490
meeting so that we can get all the numbers accurate on, there'll be the two resolutions

1569
02:05:53,490 --> 02:05:57,490
that show up on your agenda, their state revenue channel will be used, we'll talk that,

1570
02:05:57,630 --> 02:06:01,930
accept that, and then there'll be the budget that you officially approve.

1571
02:06:02,190 --> 02:06:05,990
And with the changes to the budget in this resolution, I may not have it done by

1572
02:06:05,990 --> 02:06:09,810
the time John wants to upload your packet, but I would send it in a separate message

1573
02:06:09,810 --> 02:06:10,950
and she bought on Monday.

1574
02:06:11,510 --> 02:06:13,410
So you'll have the budget and I'll have mine.

1575
02:06:13,610 --> 02:06:14,150
Very well.

1576
02:06:14,530 --> 02:06:15,910
Thank you.

1577
02:06:17,890 --> 02:06:18,670
Thanks, George.

1578
02:06:19,110 --> 02:06:20,550
I have one final request.

1579
02:06:20,730 --> 02:06:23,070
I have requested at the very beginning of the month

1580
02:06:23,070 --> 02:06:26,470
that we have a recap collection of everything

1581
02:06:26,470 --> 02:06:31,590
that has been spent on IT and any reoccurring costs

1582
02:06:32,090 --> 02:06:33,670
because you haven't seen that.

1583
02:06:33,890 --> 02:06:36,250
So I'm following and requesting it again

1584
02:06:36,250 --> 02:06:38,050
that we have that the next meeting

1585
02:06:38,050 --> 02:06:42,930
it just needs to be the reality of what has been spent and what our commitments are in the future.

1586
02:06:47,570 --> 02:06:56,310
Before you adjourn, I would like to recommend that we approve a referendum to the, to the, uh,

1587
02:06:57,190 --> 02:07:06,090
bylaw that would eliminate the payment of, uh, the, uh, token payment to city councillors.

1588
02:07:06,090 --> 02:07:10,110
And let me add to the charter cannot be changed. It can't be

1589
02:07:11,290 --> 02:07:16,430
Well, that's what I mean. So let's do it. I would love to be able to just remove that.

1590
02:07:16,430 --> 02:07:19,430
We can add it to the future. How about your AI agenda?

1591
02:07:19,810 --> 02:07:20,210
That's great.

1592
02:07:21,810 --> 02:07:22,750
Yeah, that's right.

1593
02:07:23,130 --> 02:07:25,370
And then you can work through that process.

1594
02:07:25,490 --> 02:07:25,890
That's great.

1595
02:07:27,810 --> 02:07:28,250
Sorry.

1596
02:07:30,810 --> 02:07:32,630
I figured that means a lot of things.

1597
02:07:40,070 --> 02:07:40,470
I

1598
02:07:43,770 --> 02:07:49,190
do want to say that my fellow councillors, this was arduous, but I'm glad that we made

1599
02:07:49,190 --> 02:07:53,690
it through and I want to give us a thank you back.