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give you a really good reading.

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» Hey, how's that trailer been sitting in
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» day before yesterday,
>> the the whole chassis fell off of it.

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It's just sitting there. I guess he came
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Think he's going to get it out of there.
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» Yeah. It's kind of a weird It's a weird
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» Yeah.
>> Yeah. I was

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» No, it fell off right there. I noticed
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restroom and said, "Is everything okay?"
And he goes, "Not really." [laughter]

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» So,

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call the meeting order for Tuesday,
September 1st, 2026.

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The I'm sorry.
>> No, 2026. Oh.

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» Uh, as you see, Councilman U
Constanescu is not here tonight. So,

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we'll just go ahead and proceed with the
normal business. Uh, and do I have an

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approval of the agenda? A motion for the
approval of the agenda.

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» A motion to
>> do I have a second to approve the

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agenda?
>> I have a second.

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» Second.
>> All in favor say I.

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» I.
>> All post say nay. Passes. Next thing we

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move to is to the consent agenda. Uh,
for the matter of expediency, I won't go

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through every list like what I normally
do. Uh, since the council has viewed

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that, do I have a motion for approval on
a consent agenda?

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» Can I add just a couple?
>> Sure.

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» Um, for the marching festival for Baker,
that uh application was mailed in. I

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have emailed him for a map because uh
that's really important for PD and um

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public works and we I I can't get a hold
of them. So, it's pending that we get

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that map of what street they're wanting
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» Okay. And then on number four, um,
everything's approved except for at this

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point we can't do a background check on
the applicants, uh, because the record

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management system is down. So, as soon
as that's done, we will go ahead and do

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the background check.
>> Very good. Thank you.

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Do I have a motion for a quick question?
So, does our approval of that is it

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going to be dependent on the street day?
>> It's pending.

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» What's pending? the map. I
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to improve a pending? My question is we
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street. Can they pick a street that we
wouldn't want them?

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» Well, okay. So, they usually it is uh is
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» Dearborn? It's Dearborn.
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» right?
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the stadium down to Third Street. The
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denied that.
>> This is for the first home game.

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» No, this is for the marching band
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» Oh, okay. I'm sorry. I was thinking
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» No, no. Um, so as long as as long as
that's what they're requesting.

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» So why don't we just approve that?
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» If we're not going to approve anything
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» we just don't know what street that this
is very vague on what street they're

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wanting. [laughter]
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year and if it doesn't work to come
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» Fremont.
>> Be specific.

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» Fremont from the stadium to third.
>> And that's what we're approving. Okay.

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» That's feel bad. the amendment to the
consent agenda, her consent. Yeah. Or to

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the application. So,
>> all right. Everyone good with that? Do I

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have a a motion
to accept the consent agenda as

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modified?
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with the modification that we have
conditionally approved for last year's

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map for the marching band festival. Um
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back.
>> Very good. Thank you.

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» Second it.
>> All in favor say I.

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» All oppose say nay. Passed. Now we move
to the public comment section where we

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allow members of our community public
and the comm public to come up and

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possibly make a comment. You can feel
free to approach the podium. If you do

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come up and comment, I ask you provide
your name and your address.

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» My name is Rebecca McMillan. 1102
Dearborn Street.

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Mayor and city council, after working on
the Save the Lake project since the

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night of November 5th, 2024,
I understand what a difficult job you

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have had trying to listen to so many
views that the people of Baldwin City

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have about everything. I also know that
the problems of not having the money to

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meet everyone's needs and dreams of our
community.

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It was a good experience for us as a
committee to work with city council Jay

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and
Julie and we learned so much that way.

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Our committee has worked hard at the
lake putting in hundreds of hours of

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actual labor. We have been reopening the
trails, repairing the signage,

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rebuilding the foot bridges, and
rediscovering the staircase built in the

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1930s by the WPA. No one had seen it for
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We tried to apply for grants. We were
not able to get a grant this spring from

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Douglas County without either the
Baldwin City's partial funding or

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matching funds of some kind. That's when
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now have a little over 15,000.
Committee member Kenny Nihoff has worked

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very hard and has officially been
awarded this grant to fix the spillway

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from the Kansas Department of Wildlife
and Parks. It's a CFAP grant and we met

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at the lake with the biologists last
Friday to talk about how this will

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happen.
And please, many city residents are

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behind us and we need Baldwin City to
put whatever they can into the Baldwin

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City Park budget to help us fix the
spillway. It is for the maintenance of

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their community lake. We need the city
to do their part. Mowing is excellent.

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They always do this and it looks
wonderful, but it will not repair the

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spillway.
That part should be under the

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maintenance of this city park. It is the
treasure of many acres of mature timber

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and grassland surrounding the lake. And
the disc golf course was originally put

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there in collabor collaboration with the
community development program which

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included Baker University. I just found
that out this week. It was kind of old

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news, but it was 2014 that they did that
in collaboration with them. The lake is

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a treasure for our f future generations.
It may be the one thing that stands out

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and makes our community more unique than
other small towns. Thank you for

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listening to me again and again and
again. Thank you.

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» Thank you, Beggy. Thank you, everyone.
>> Yes. Thanks, everyone. and

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[clears throat] Councilman Jay sitting
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committees and everything else. Jay
King, very good. Thank you. Do I have

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anyone else would care to make a
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I take that as a no. So the public
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opportunity is closed. Uh we move to E.
We really have no special reports or

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presentations. Uh we move to F which is
old business of which there is none. Now

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we move to G, new business. uh this is
the thing that we've been working for at

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least for me the last three to four
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I'm asking everyone please understand uh
everyone does a budget different. I have

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been through numerous budgets. Please
bear with me as we move through this. Uh

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so what I want to do is the first thing
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exceed revenue neutral. Uh, and um,
since I have asked for that, I am going

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to open up the floor to the public to go
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like they might want to make.

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Seeing none, we'll move on. Move on
then, please. Uh, I am going to

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introduce resolution 2026
hyphen 10 hyphen exceeding revenue

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neutral. Uh and uh what I want to do is
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resolution and I'm going to open the
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[clears throat] this time.

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Do I have any
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» Yeah. Go ahead.
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adhering to the RNR would do to your
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uh the mill we're proposing for this
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and go with RNR, it would be a negative
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to your uh mostly to your general fund.
Uh if you were to go with RNR, it would

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be $323,000 less than what you adopted
last year and it would be $352,000

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less than what you adopted in 2025. Now,
those are based on current year

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valuation. So, it's not quite a true
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you take into account your valuation
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those particular years, that's the
impact it would have. It would virtually

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wipe out all of the general fund fund
balance that you've managed to build up

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over the last couple of years or that
we've managed to maintain anyway going

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into going into next year. So, I just
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» Very good. Thank you. And that was Matt
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Sorry,
>> Matt Long.

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» Matt Long. Matt Wolf. I called you a
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» A long apology. Okay.
>> You got to do it back.

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» That's right. Come back up here and do
it again. Thank you. Uh, so no really

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discussion from the council.
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exceeding revenue neutral, we were
exceeding by how much?

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is
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please. Matt Long
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» lawn lawn
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your house right now if you don't have
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» Thank you.
>> Okay. Versus so as compared to what we

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are proposing this year which is still a
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year. It is still a it would be a loss
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» So the current proposal is is less of a
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compared to last year
>> compared to what you adopted last year.

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It is a mill decrease. We adopted last
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essentially [clears throat] we forgot to
inflate the uh dollar amount of what we

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adopted because we had to. So what ended
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you do uh neighbor revitalization the
way it works is they pay their full

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amount of taxes and they get rebated a
certain portion. Well last year we did

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not include the amount of the rebate on
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expenditure side not the revenue side.
So the amount you levied we paid a

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refund on money that never got paid. So
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in this year. And so we're still getting
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it it still ends up being about 06 mil
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even though the actual amount that was
build to people was lower because we

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essentially they got they they got a
rebate for not taxes that didn't get

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paid
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happened.
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» This is to fix that error. Correct.
>> We are not exceeding the the mill levy.

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» No. compared to last year.
>> Mill levy you adopted last year was I'm

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sorry. Give me one moment here. I've got
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I'm used to using a mouse, not a
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millia adopted last year total was
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The mill levy we're requesting this year
is 42.269. So it's technically about a

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point just over a 6 uh reduction in
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versus last year.
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uh I mean most of that change is coming
out of the general fund and it's it you

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know it's not nothing but it's we still
we as we've shown you we still think we

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can achieve a very close to
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year with this mill levy and other other
revenue coming in as well. But we think

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that you'll be able to achieve that with
the mill levy we've proposed.

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But the point of this exercise is to
show you how much I mean you you would

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wipe it out. You you would go negative
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if you if you adopt the the RNR rate
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questions. Just just a we we're using a
lot of acronyms. We're saying a lot of

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words. Uh just want to put it out there
real clearly that that the proposed

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budget your property taxes will not
increase. They will go slightly down

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agencies, but
Yeah. For the portion you pay to your

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city taxes that you were you would
requesting that we are staff is

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requesting that you adopt a budget that
is about 6 mills lower than what you

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adopted last year.
>> So let's restate that because the mills

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is only a part of what your tax bill is
made on. So the property tax went up 5%.

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Yeah. So even with Right. Right. Sorry.
>> So so be careful. I mean we get mill

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concerned confused with what you
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>> it's going up based on the assessed

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valuation going up
>> right but that's every year

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» the point is it's going up less than it
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» correct
>> had we increase the mill levy

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» right so the point of the RNR is to is
to intentionally lower the amount of tax

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paid and received to the dollar amount
that was that was uh levied the prior

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year. So the whole point of this is just
the basically that what that shows is

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between 4.890 and 37.447 mills that is
the diff that's the impact that

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valuation increase had overall for the
city. Now, it's not going to hit not not

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everybody's house went up by that much,
but citywide the total valuation

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increased by
for about five and a half mills versus

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um
versus versus last year overall. Now, it

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doesn't mean it's like I said, doesn't
mean it's going to hit everybody, but

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yes, the tax calculation is rate times
base. So if your base went up because of

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uh because of appreciation and value,
then even a lower rate is you're going

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to pay more than you did the prior year.
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» Matt, when you're talking these totals,
I'm just looking at the summary page. Um

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uh you know, it's got the actual tax
rate from 26 with a total I mean the

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different general debt service libraries
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and so it's got the totals down at the
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of totals as far as
>> Yeah. So the the to the amount you

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actually adopted last year, and I can
produce the certificate if you want to

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look at it. The amount you actually
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total. That, like I said, because it did
not have the RNR rebate included in that

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that it it the county artificially
lowered it.

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» The amount of revenue you're receiving
>> got as to what is showing on the actual

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tax on the the actual that's what it
automatically brought it down to is that

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actual tax amount.
>> Um

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okay,
that's that was my question.

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» Yeah.

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» But be I'm not saying we're doing
anything wrong here, but um if you do

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have a motion or anybody wants to make a
motion to exceed the RNR, we still need

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to have budget hearing discussions in
the regular budget hearing. So Okay.

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Yeah, good point. We're probably getting
into that next hearing. [clears throat]

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This I think this resolution is just to
exceed

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» Yeah. Revenue.
>> Revenue neutral.

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The next one is by how much?
>> Right.

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» Right. Doesn't mean we have to.
>> So, okay.

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» When will that do we know when that
hearing is going to be?

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» Right. Right.
>> Oh. Oh. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yes.

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» I'm snatched.
>> Okay.

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» Was like I'm slightly confused, but now
it makes sense.

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» Okay. Thank you.
>> So, just so we're clear, a yes vote is

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to exceed revenue neutral and no vote
would be not to.

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» Yes.

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has everyone had an opportunity to go
through and kind of look at it and make

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a decision to go ahead and uh
>> just to be clear um

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because and I know I'm getting into the
weeds on it, but because of the the the

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library uh error that occurred that we
now have to there would be no way that

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we could go less than revenue neutral
because we have to have the pass through

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from them. I
>> mean, you could it just come out of the

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budget somewhere else,
>> but it's a pass through. I mean, it's it

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shouldn't come out of our budget at all,
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» right?
>> So, you either pay the shortfall back

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out of your budget or you you pass it
through with with higher mill rate.

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» We understand that.
But if you wanted to make them [snorts]

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whole, uh, yes, it would have to come
out of your budget. I mean, there's no

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there's no way to get around RNR because
of that. You still have the authority to

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set the levy. So, it's still
>> okay.

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» Up to you.

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» So, real quick with the library. So, the
library is good with what you presented

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in
working with Matt the resolution of the

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shortfall last year.
>> Yes. Okay.

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» Included in the budget that I
>> That's what I thought. Okay.

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» Okay. Just want to make sure.

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» That's all I had. No, they're kind of I
don't want to push everyone if they

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don't want to to kind of move this
along, but are we discussion complete?

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» If so, I'll move that we pass resolution
number 2026-10

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um to with the ability to exceed the
revenue neutral rate.

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» A second.
>> Okay, have a motion [clears throat] and

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a second. I will now call for a roll
call vote on resolution 2026 hyphen 10.

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I'll start to my left and move to my
right. Council Lordson,

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» yes.
>> Councilman Vendibal,

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» yes.
>> Council Lynch,

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» yes.
>> Council King,

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» no. Motion passed.

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Next thing we move to is resolution
2026,

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uh, the hearing for the budget,
the 2027 budget. And I will now open to

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the public for the hearing for the 27
budget. Again, this is an opportunity

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from anyone from the public to step up
and voice their concerns or maybe

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questions they might have. Much like our
previous open form, I asked if you

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approach the pro podium, you please
provide your name and address.

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» Yeah. My name is Jim Breitman. I live at
50510th Street. sitting through this,

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[sighs and gasps]
you mentioned that you were speaking a

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lot of acronyms. I had no idea who this
person is. I have no idea what was just

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said. It was just all code.
I don't know how you expect us to have

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any comments if we don't know what
you're talking about.

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I mean, could we make this a little bit
clearer? What's what's RNR?

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» Revenue neutral rate.
>> Okay.

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And if I understood correctly, there
were some monies that were collected

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that were rebated
last year and that's what caused some of

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the problems. Is that correct?
>> I

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Scott the library.
>> That's what that's what I'm saying. This

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is
>> you know and I I think you you bring up

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a valid point. Uh Matt Lawn, can I have
you address this gentleman's concerns?

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Yeah. So, I'll I'll just start with what
what revenue neutral rate is. Revenue

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neutral rate is a rate uh a tax rate
that if the council were to levy that it

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would not it would essentially it would
collect the same amount of the same

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dollar amount of tax as they collected
last year. So, let's assume for the

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prior year they collected $100
>> um and but they charged a 1% rate. Well,

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let's say they kept a 1% rate but the
value of the house went up to $105. So,

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they're going to collect $5. they would
collect $5 more just keeping the same

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flat rate. But because they
intentionally lowered the amount of

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their rate to offset the uh increase in
valuation would have generated.

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» Yeah. Well, okay. But okay. So,
>> podium.

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» So, NRP is a neighbor neighborhood
revitalization program. And what that

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means is that um qualifying properties
in that are eligible to get a rebate on

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a portion of their tax. Uh essentially
what the I'm I'm going to speak very

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broad terms here, but essentially any
improvements they make to their home

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that would have increased the value, uh
they get that portion of the value

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rebated in in the amount of tax they
paid. So let's say you know your your

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house is worth $100,000, but the work
you put into it doubles that value. you

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would only pay value and I'm using
extreme situation here that's not so

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basically what happened is uh normally
when you are going when when you're

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filling out the budget form you need to
anticipate the amount that you're going

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to rebate when you adopt the budget and
last year that the the amount that was

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going to be rebated was taken into
account for budget adoption but the

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amount that was uh they didn't we didn't
do the offset on the revenue side of

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that. So normally what you would do is
you would figure out what that amount

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that you're going to rebate is and you
would add that to the amount of tax

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you're going to levy so that you have
that much more that can be paid back

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when you pay those rebates rather than
not charge not having it included in the

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the levy in the first place. So that's
what happened. There's different kinds

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of these economic development programs
that are, you know, meant for homeowners

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to increase or to, you know, encourage
uh, you know, investment in their homes

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so they can, you know, get get more
value out of it, which, you know, on one

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side is going to generate more value for
the cities. But again, it's going to

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also, you know, the natural impact of,
you know, improving, uh, you know,

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neighborhoods and residents like that,
you know, helps, you know, beautify the

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the the city and helps, you know, spur
more development. So different ones work

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different ways. Like we were talking I
was we probably also heard us talking

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about the RHID which is a a rural
housing incentive district program which

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is through the state that is a similar
program in that you know you are um it

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it takes into account the increased
value of a home based on some kind of

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economic incentive or economic
development program. But the way that

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one works is that the before the city
gets notified of what their increase in

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valuation is, the increase in valuation
that would have applied to that property

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is automatically taken off first. So it
doesn't get calculated with taxes the

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same way that NRP does.
>> So what percentage of the property

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within that local density is taxing has
some sort of a rebate attached to it?

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And can the average person
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works. It it that's very specific on who
can who qualifies for it. It usually has

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to do I I'm not the right person to ask
about inter I'm not very

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» so so usually so I can answer some of
that questions is is usually a lot of

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times it's it's a it's a new
construction. If they built a new house

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that would automatically qualify. If
they, let's say you added on to your

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house and you increased your value 10%
or greater, then you could get it on

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that 10% or greater that it added value.
>> How's the person supposed to know this?

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» Well, um,
>> you fill out your building permit

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» when like as far as like building
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» then
>> was that the contractors fill out the

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permits?
>> Not necessarily. A lot of times, I would

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say probably eight out of 10 people that
fill out permits here in town are are

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actually are homeowners from from from
my experience. Um there is there's some

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stuff on the website um you know that
used to be we used to do a lot of NRP

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but now it's really gone into RID where
it's the rural housing incentive

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district. It's
>> my concern is this. If you're giving

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rebates to the people that are building
the new $300,000 plus houses, where's

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the burden of that lost revenue falling?
It's falling on the people who are

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living in the older houses in town and
among many of us are on fixed incomes.

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And I'll also jump in with Russ here. If
you're building in the RID, if you're

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one of the developments that's a RID
project, you can't get the NRP.

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» Yeah. So, cuz because with RID, the RID,
like say for a subdivision, if they if

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they put in the subdivision, the RID, it
goes back to the developer. Um, which

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that helps cover the cost for, you know,
the infrastructure and, you know, for

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the roads, utilities, and those kinds of
things.

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» I'm new to town here. been here a couple
years. One of the main concerns I've

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heard over the years is the good old boy
network that was in place before where

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if you were connected, you could get
your house, you get these things built

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and you get a test.
>> Well, I you know, I think some of those

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things and the only thing I can address
about that is just the rumors, a lot of

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it. Uh I I
>> No, no, no. I understand I understand

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what you're saying because you know I've
been I've had people voice those rumors

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to me and say hey here you know you and
I discuss this uh and u you know I can

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assure you at least coming into this I I
can see nothing like that taking place

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now. We still have some programs out
here to encourage growth and try to

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attract building. And let me explain
why. Cuz like you, I'm like, how are we

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how are we going to benefit from this
when the builders are getting all the

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brakes and you and I, cuz I'm like you,
I'm not getting kind of red program or

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anything. I haven't made an improvement
on the house. But the goal is not for

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today. It's for 5 years down the road
when all this new construction starts

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paying those taxes, starts paying
utilities because we get that benefit

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while they're there. That's we're trying
to look forward down the road. Uh and

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and you know to answer your question
about well how's the person know this? I

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I understand uh believe me I really do
but sometimes that's one of those things

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you just kind of have to get out and
research see what's out there talk to a

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builder see what they say or you know
call city hall and go are there any

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programs that I can get a break on
trying to improve my house my windows or

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or whatever. And I know that's not going
to make you happy. You know what I'm

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saying? I'm just trying to explain a
little bit.

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» My point also is you're looking to the
future. If I'm looking at what looks to

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me to be
on mine roughly

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a 19.1% proposed tax, that's going to
double my property tax every 3.7 years.

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» What number are you reading?
>> Top there. It says the proposed tax

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exceeding the 2025 tax.
>> Is that county?

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» That's city.
body.

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» So they're not
>> you want to step up to nobody can hear.

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» Okay. So this is this this notice goes
out when you uh notify the county that

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you are going to exceed RNR. And what
they do is when they send out this

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notice, they put in the maximum amount
of that you allow yourself to adopt

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above RNR. you for you guys that was
um

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» yeah Baldwin's on the
>> at the top there. So for you guys that

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was 45.4 mills. The mills we're
proposing is 42

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uh 468 I believe. I I don't have my
>> Yeah, they just send out the most

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extreme scenario I guess. So again,
they're not they're not actually going

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to adopt that amount, but they let you
they they're required to uh you know,

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should they're required to notify the
county of something if they plan to go

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above
>> that automatic reduction in mills. So we

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they built in because it was it's it you
have to you have to report that by July

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20th at the latest to the county. And so
because we were still working out what

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exactly the mill levy was going to need
to be to accomplish what they need to

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accomplish this year, we put in that
number to give them room to do it. And

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that's that's not an uncommon practice.
A lot of times with this uh the notice

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that was sent out again, I mean uh the
notice that Russ actually sent out this

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that they approved to send out for this
hearing actually included a higher mill

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levy also than what we're proposing they
adopt tonight.

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» Right. With that and with that
understanding, again, I'm assuming that

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the council is looking at this and and
considering when you're compounding

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these increases, how frequently that's
going to double because for the people

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who are on fixed incomes, that's an
important issue because the same thing's

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happening with insurance on the homes.
And I think what you're going to have

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happen is you're going to have the
potential here for

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not to be for retired people not be able
to stay here because they can't afford

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00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:09,320
it.
>> Yeah.

413
00:31:09,679 --> 00:31:15,039
Well, you know, and the other thing I
can just tell you, and it might not seem

414
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:18,799
like it,
and I'm sure to the public it doesn't,

415
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:23,279
that they say, "Well, the council and
the mayor just sets up here and doesn't

416
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:26,799
try to consider the average person
within this community and tax rates and

417
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:31,919
things going up." But I can assure you,
and I'm sincere, every single one of

418
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:36,880
these people up here really look at this
and try to do the best they can to keep

419
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:42,320
everything where we can to make the city
manageable and livable. Uh, and I know

420
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:46,480
doesn't matter to you, doesn't matter to
me, but I just talked to a friend up in

421
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:50,399
Synica today who's been up there now for
5 years. She goes, "Can your council

422
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:55,039
come up here? We've got hit twice again
on mill levies and are talking about

423
00:31:51,919 --> 00:31:57,440
doing another one." Uh, so it's and it's
always Yeah, that's the neighbor. But

424
00:31:56,159 --> 00:32:01,039
I'm just letting you know we really try
very hard. At least since I've been

425
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:04,080
here, it's everyone's tried hard.
>> No, and I'm not going to dispute that

426
00:32:02,159 --> 00:32:09,279
you're not. I just wanted those concerns
and also I just wanted to

427
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:12,399
» sitting in the audience. It just it felt
like a good old boy club because I

428
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:16,000
didn't understand a thing.
>> That that's on me.

429
00:32:13,679 --> 00:32:19,760
» No, that's why that's I always try to
explain it a couple more times

430
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:22,752
afterwards cuz I'm like nobody's unders
made a comment. I worked at state

431
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,159
government and I'm I'm equally as
[clears throat] guilty of it when we

432
00:32:23,679 --> 00:32:26,640
would get
>> Yeah,

433
00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:31,120
» it's the acronyms, man. Yeah,
>> back and that's what I was asking.

434
00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:37,640
» No, I appreciate it. I I agree.
>> And thank Hey, thank you for stepping up

435
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:37,640
and asking. It's very nice of you.

436
00:32:37,679 --> 00:32:44,000
» Oh, and to answer your first question,
I'm sorry. This is Matt Baker Tilly is

437
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:48,320
the finance uh group that we uh they
advise uh the committee as well as the

438
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:52,240
council on budget decisions. They
they're the ones who um externally

439
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,080
manage our budget. And this is Matt
Lawn.

440
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:58,960
» I wasn't sure if he was you're
accountant or exactly.

441
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:02,000
» So I'm I'm a certified public finance
officer, meaning that I've gone through

442
00:33:00,399 --> 00:33:05,279
the training by the government finance
officer association. I was the finance

443
00:33:03,679 --> 00:33:09,840
director for the city of Goddard, west
of Witchah for 13 years. Uh joined Baker

444
00:33:07,919 --> 00:33:13,842
Tilly a couple years ago and I do
financial advising for municipalities.

445
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:18,320
Oh, you're 13. Okay. Yeah.
[clears throat]

446
00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:21,440
» Thank you. Any
other questions on the hearing? Public

447
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:24,840
hearing have an opportunity to come up
and say something.

448
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:36,559
Hi there, Jeff Flory, 215 Highway 56.
>> [sighs and gasps]

449
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:43,840
» I know you guys have a really tough job
and take this very serious, but looking

450
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:48,080
over the figures here, I just have one
question

451
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:57,840
on the
the totals. The 2026 was 18 million

452
00:33:53,919 --> 00:34:04,960
and we're jumping to 21.8 million for
proposed 2027.

453
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:10,200
So, where is that 3.8 million increase
going? That would be my question.

454
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:18,720
» So, Matt, you may help us here with
those totals.

455
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:23,280
» That's right off of your page 18 out of
your information packet.

456
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:28,560
» So, you know, this also shows electric
utility, water utility. So, so

457
00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:35,760
» you you're looking at the summer
expenditures. Yeah.

458
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:39,200
Yeah. So this is uh this is actually um
yeah you you do have the more accurate

459
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:44,560
one the the updated one based on the
actual mill levy. So the increase is

460
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:48,639
this 21 number right here is not a
budget for expenditures. It's a budget

461
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:52,159
for expenditure authority. What that
means is this is the amount that they

462
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:56,079
are approving to that they give
themselves the opportunity to spend. But

463
00:34:54,240 --> 00:35:01,839
when we're developing these budgets, we
are also building in their reserve fund

464
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:04,240
balance as a
uh [laughter]

465
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:09,440
essentially they're they're budgeting
their fund balance as an expenditure. So

466
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:12,400
if they wanted to, they could they could
spend down to zero dollars for the next

467
00:35:12,079 --> 00:35:15,359
year.
>> Didn't we do that last year too or a

468
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:18,320
year before?
>> This is this is what they anticipate

469
00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:22,000
they will actually spend this year.
>> Yeah. This is what they actually spent

470
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:26,240
last year and this is what they will
this is includes

471
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:29,200
» so they only spent 17 million then last
year

472
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:33,839
» right but again that is not a number
that they plan to spend that is the that

473
00:35:31,359 --> 00:35:39,839
is the legal authority of what they
could spend but the and the reason you

474
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:44,480
do that is because if they did not uh
budget the that amount of fund balance

475
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:49,680
in their budget it would automatically
reduce the amount they can levy. So

476
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:55,520
» and Isn't that the whole purpose of a
budget? So you don't overspend.

477
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:58,400
» Yes. And this is but like I said that's
that's what I said that's that's the

478
00:35:57,119 --> 00:36:01,200
limit on what they can spend.
>> Okay.

479
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:04,560
» That includes that. So that is enough to
operate the city plus if they

480
00:36:03,489 --> 00:36:08,480
[clears throat] plus it includes the
amount of their

481
00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:11,839
» um essentially of their their cash that
they'll have at the end of the year

482
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:15,839
going into next year. If they needed to
in an emergency situation they could

483
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:20,079
spend up to that much. So it's all and
this is the way that every city and

484
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:24,800
every county operates is the way the
state forms work. The whole per the

485
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:30,720
purpose of the of the budget process is
a to give yourself the legal authority

486
00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:36,160
to spend but also the process is to
determine what your tax uh what the tax

487
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:39,680
will be and so and just based on the way
the formulas work for the state form

488
00:36:37,839 --> 00:36:46,079
that's how they do it. So, it's not
actually a budget to go above the uh to

489
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,880
spend an additional $3 million. That
includes a lot of carryover fund

490
00:36:47,359 --> 00:36:53,680
balance. For instance, if you look here
on the I'm going to bring this up so

491
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:56,320
everybody can see it. If you look
>> I think one of the confusing parts are

492
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,720
there.
>> There's no there's no easy way to

493
00:36:57,599 --> 00:37:00,960
explain this.
>> You're not looking at if you're looking

494
00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:06,800
at the state form.
>> They're mixing

495
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:11,680
um sales tax and utility rate revenue
with the whole mill levy. So that's

496
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:15,040
everything. So we've been talking mil
levy for the general fund and all a

497
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:20,800
sudden this thing shows the max
authority on sales tax revenue expected

498
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:25,920
and and and utilities which a separate
budget in this includes everything the

499
00:37:23,839 --> 00:37:30,480
city is legally allowed to spend for
over multiple funds and but and the way

500
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:33,280
fund accounting works is that there's
different rules for each type of

501
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:36,720
government operation. So the general
fund uh you know that's where your tax

502
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:41,839
money is received and that's where it's
either spent for certain services like

503
00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:45,839
police, fire or it gets transferred out
to other services that use a certain

504
00:37:43,839 --> 00:37:48,960
amount of money. Uh debt service that is
where they make their debt payments from

505
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:53,040
money that they're already obligated to
pay back that they levy a debt for that

506
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:56,400
that gets paid from there. Uh the
library that is a pass through to where

507
00:37:54,720 --> 00:38:00,560
they levy on behalf of the library and
the library receives those funds for

508
00:37:57,839 --> 00:38:04,960
their operations. uh cemetery operates
similarly and then you've got all these

509
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:09,599
utility funds farther down here like
water wastewater just guesstimates.

510
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:12,960
» Yes.
>> So So every budget's a guesstimate.

511
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,200
» Yeah.
>> We don't know to the dollar amount what

512
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:18,640
they're going to spend.
>> Well that that was my question when you

513
00:38:17,599 --> 00:38:22,640
see that
>> 3.8 million.

514
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:27,200
» But again I would I would I would
reiterate it's not it's not that they

515
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:31,680
are going to spend that. It's that's the
uh essentially the bottom line of what

516
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:37,359
the legal process for budgeting allows
them to uh legally spend if they had to.

517
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:40,680
» Jeff did today answer your question for
the most part.

518
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,200
Anyone else?

519
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:50,480
» 27.
>> I'm sorry, Jeff. Did that answer your

520
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:53,119
question? Okay. Thank you, sir. Uh, I
seeing no one else that wants to

521
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:58,560
approach, I'm going to go ahead and
close the public hearing and ask that I

522
00:38:56,240 --> 00:39:02,720
go through and introduce resolution 2026
hip-h

523
00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:08,599
which authorized the city to approve the
2027 budget. Now turn over to council

524
00:39:05,359 --> 00:39:08,599
for discussion.

525
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:21,280
So, I guess I'm interested in um
understanding, Councilman King, you

526
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:24,960
know, where your suggestion would be to
um get back to revenue neutral in a

527
00:39:23,359 --> 00:39:30,640
budget.
>> Well, I just basically was thinking like

528
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:36,000
I don't know what we're going to do with
mill levies, if you guys are going to if

529
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:40,560
we're potentially raise them or not. And
I don't didn't want to do one or the

530
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:44,280
other. So I
I voted no.

531
00:39:45,359 --> 00:39:49,467
» Okay. But you do realize
>> I do.

532
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:52,160
» Revenue neutral would have been about
[clears throat] 5% y

533
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,680
» less than what we've been talking about
in the budget.

534
00:39:52,800 --> 00:40:00,960
» Yep.
>> Okay. And at the when we uh voted

535
00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:08,079
two months ago to even exceed revenue
neutral, uh I kind of if if you go back

536
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:13,839
and watch, I was pausing then and and I
uh and I I voted with you guys to say

537
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:18,480
yes to exceed revenue neutral to have
the possibility of it. And it just I it

538
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:23,839
didn't sit well with me. And so I'm just
correcting my vote from earlier this

539
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,960
year. That's all.
>> Don't get me wrong, I would support a

540
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:30,320
revenue neutral if we could find a way
to

541
00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:33,280
» I mean, you got to have a plan to do it.
>> Yep.

542
00:40:31,119 --> 00:40:36,240
» Um and I would be all over on board with
it. You know, that's why we went through

543
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,599
that exercise and you saw how difficult
it was.

544
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:42,400
» I know.
>> Um and I didn't since there was much

545
00:40:39,839 --> 00:40:46,560
appetite from anybody to do that level
of cuts, which is what it would require

546
00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:49,440
to get to this revenue revenue control.
So,

547
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:56,240
» just wanted some clarification. Maybe
you had something that you were

548
00:40:51,359 --> 00:40:59,839
» No, I mean I I I mean I think I it you
know it goes back to me saying we could

549
00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:00,960
sell the building to maybe help with
that a little bit.

550
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:05,359
» Yeah.
>> And still still valid

551
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:07,680
» and we could next year but obviously I
don't want to do that while there's

552
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:12,400
tenants in there.
>> So I get that part but um

553
00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:17,440
» yeah.
>> So do I want to would I want to cut 5%

554
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:21,359
to what we you know when we did the
exercise? No. because there was things

555
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:27,119
in there we need. But
um with the off with the off chance that

556
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:32,000
we may increase mill levies cuz I mean I
haven't talked to anyone about the

557
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:37,119
increases. I'm that that's why I voted
no. So I appreciate that. That's that

558
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:41,200
that's that makes sense, you know, and I
guess the conversation needs to be what

559
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:46,000
we're proposing is not a mill levy
increase in this budget. Correct.

560
00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:49,760
» Right. No mill levy increase. But even
though that's the plan, I mean if

561
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:54,240
» and once we pass that
>> Well, I know I know once we pass it, but

562
00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:58,480
I'm saying if you three wanted to say,
"Hey, we let tonight Russ we want to do

563
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,560
a mill levy increase,
>> right?"

564
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:03,440
» Then
>> so I mean absolutely right.

565
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:06,480
» I don't know cuz I I don't talk to you
guys about how we're voting.

566
00:42:04,319 --> 00:42:11,040
» No, no, I get it. So is that's why we're
having this discussion. if we if anybody

567
00:42:09,359 --> 00:42:12,720
supports a mill levy increase, we need
to have that conversation.

568
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:17,280
» Yeah.
>> And understand why and maybe change some

569
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:20,800
minds or not. But that's
>> that's really the conversation is you

570
00:42:19,359 --> 00:42:24,480
have good ideas like I didn't think
about that. Let's you know, jump on

571
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,400
board. So
>> yeah,

572
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:31,920
» I'm I'm not for raising the mill.
>> I do not want to raise the mill levy.

573
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:34,240
» So you won't hear that recommendation
from me.

574
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:36,400
» Okay. Well, I mean,
>> but now we're at the point we can talk

575
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,880
about it. So
>> yeah,

576
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:42,319
» and that's what kind of makes it tricky
is obviously we don't want to talk we

577
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:45,280
can't talk about it behind closed doors,
>> right?

578
00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:48,240
» Cuz then that's colluding. But when it's
this is the only opportunity for us to

579
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:52,319
all talk about it,
>> it you know that's what makes it pretty

580
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:57,520
difficult
>> because we only have a short amount of

581
00:42:54,480 --> 00:43:02,200
time to talk rather than sit down and
you know really discuss it. So,

582
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:10,640
so I guess the only other things I had
from last time we talked about budget

583
00:43:08,319 --> 00:43:14,480
that we're making some decisions were
left open around the chamber and the

584
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:20,160
maple.
Correct, Russ? You had all of the cuts

585
00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:23,040
loaded in
>> all the cut all the budget.

586
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:26,640
» Yeah, all the cuts are still loaded in
this budget. So, I know there's

587
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:30,640
discussion around
splitting that up and reducing the cuts

588
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:33,440
this year. What are your thoughts on
that?

589
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:36,800
» I mean, the I guess my thought is is
that if if you do want to switch that

590
00:43:35,359 --> 00:43:38,800
up, then where are you going to take it
from?

591
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:42,800
» It comes out of reserve.
>> So, it would have to potentially come

592
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:47,839
out of reserve or you would have to cut
something that's already already in

593
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:51,440
there. So,
>> well, you know, I I in my kind of again

594
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:54,720
simplistic view and people go, "Yeah,
he's real simplistic and I understand it

595
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:58,960
and I get that." But, you know, the way
I see this budget, we've kind of

596
00:43:56,240 --> 00:44:03,920
basically went through cut and rated
everything we could possibly do to get

597
00:44:01,359 --> 00:44:06,880
to the budget that we have and that if
we want to go through and start taking

598
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:11,040
away and increasing, we're gonna have,
as Council Lord said, we're gonna have

599
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:15,760
to do something somewhere else. We just
can't, you know, and I know again me

600
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:21,760
come back being the doomsayer. I'm
telling you right now, Topeka is going

601
00:44:18,079 --> 00:44:26,160
to pass that 3% cap. I'm telling you,
it's there. They're going to do it this

602
00:44:23,359 --> 00:44:29,280
time. And I think we need to be prepared
because Jay, I was one of the ones to

603
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:36,960
sit here and go, I want to go mail right
now because we need to be prepared not

604
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:44,000
just for this year, but going into 2027,
2028, we need some momentum to carry us

605
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:48,240
in. And it's uncomfortable, but it's
just I I think we're better prepared if

606
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:53,440
we did that. But with the with the
budget we've come out with now, I go

607
00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:57,359
with what you all want. I I'm good with
it. Personally, I don't I'm like you

608
00:44:56,079 --> 00:45:01,280
all. I don't want to raise a mill, but
there's going to be some point we are

609
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:05,599
going to have to. Our backs are going to
be against the wall.

610
00:45:02,319 --> 00:45:08,800
» I don't know that that's accurate. I I
We had such a strange year where

611
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:13,359
assessed value was so down. That's why
we're in this math problem here. And I I

612
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:17,839
just wonder if it's going to if it's
going to average out somewhere in the

613
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:20,400
middle there and we won't have as as I
don't I don't know that it's as

614
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:25,440
inevitable as we're thinking. And we
don't know exactly what if it's going to

615
00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:30,560
be a 3% cap or what until they go back
to the state house in January and do it.

616
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:36,560
But
um I mean but even if Corey though if

617
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:39,280
the property taxes next year come in at
a higher rate, we still wouldn't it

618
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:46,000
doesn't matter because it would just be
3%. So, but but Scott, that is why I

619
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:49,839
voted no because not that I knew the
mayor was going to say that he would

620
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:52,640
like to do a mill, but just in case
someone

621
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,960
» did suggest it,
>> you know that.

622
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:58,160
» So,
>> it's got it.

623
00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:02,160
» It's 3%
ex in addition to your previous year's

624
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:07,440
budget.
>> It's 3%. Um I think the growth doesn't

625
00:46:05,359 --> 00:46:13,240
count in that, right? So, if we add
property rooftops, million taxion

626
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:19,520
» regardless of
>> no 30,000 30,000

627
00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:21,839
» the tax base.
>> It's not a percentage of the mill levy.

628
00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:26,000
It's a percentage of
>> the property tax but we can't couldn't

629
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:29,520
also raise mills because we've already
done the 3% because the 3%'s always been

630
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,760
on the property
>> percentage of the property tax.

631
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:36,560
» It's both correct.
>> So it depends on what they decide it

632
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:41,680
that I mean I I will tell you this. It
depends on what they what was proposed

633
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:45,319
was a 3% cap
>> on revenue period

634
00:46:47,359 --> 00:46:54,720
» if you you know collect sales tax all
day whatever you have you get. But for

635
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:59,119
specific for real real property tax if
you levy a million dollars last year you

636
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:04,960
can only levy $1 million $30,000 this
year. Even if your value

637
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:08,880
» number number of propert not even the
val you know just the number of

638
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:14,000
» the property tax based on growth
>> the the one that that this year that

639
00:47:11,599 --> 00:47:18,240
» sustainable anybody that knows anything
>> that's why the governor vetoed it

640
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:20,800
» like that doesn't work anybody
>> the legislature has been doing this for

641
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:25,839
as long as I
>> I cannot they had the they had the tax

642
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:29,839
lids they had the uh RNR they had you
know various ways to try to you know

643
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:34,800
limit the amount that cities with their
home rules power to levy taxes. We're

644
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:38,960
allowed to levy and so now they've it's
likely they will have the political

645
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:42,720
power to get it passed next year.
>> Well, I sincerely hope Jay and everyone

646
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:46,800
Cory can look at me and go, "See, I told
you so it didn't pass." And I'm sincere

647
00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:49,200
about that. I really am on that 3%. No,
it'd be great.

648
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:52,880
» Agree with So, I agree that something's
coming because I mean, I've talked to

649
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:55,040
people and
>> I get it. But,

650
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,400
» yeah,
>> until we know what it is, I don't know

651
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:01,440
how we can fight it
>> and do what's best. Yeah, I agree with

652
00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:07,760
that to
>> because what if you know say we you did

653
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:14,400
want to raise the mill and then they
come back and then they don't it doesn't

654
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:21,440
pass for some some reason or it's not at
3% he gets it to 5% or 6%. Well then

655
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:26,640
that's more in line with
what our increase usually is. So, just

656
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:30,559
to be clear, the way it the way it would
have worked had it passed this year is

657
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:33,200
you would still be able to levy whatever
you want to. You just have to go to a

658
00:48:31,839 --> 00:48:35,839
vote if the dollar amount is going to be
above 3% more than the prior year. So,

659
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:39,680
» yeah,
>> a vote

660
00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:44,240
» by the city the
holdition

661
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:46,640
of 5% or something
>> um would

662
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:52,160
» Yeah, it's a very low threshold for what
the petition would require for a vote.

663
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:57,440
So, it's something like uh I want to say
it was like 5% of the average of the

664
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:59,040
prior number of voters in the prior
election or some something similar to

665
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,760
that.
>> You'd have to do that right before the

666
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,440
primary so you don't spend every
community be spending 40 grand on an

667
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:04,800
election.
>> And that's another thing that they

668
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,119
that's
>> you have to move the schedule.

669
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:10,720
» That's another one of the reasons it
failed was or the the governor vetoed at

670
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:13,920
least with what she said was because
they didn't put that timing into

671
00:49:12,559 --> 00:49:16,960
account. It would not have worked this
year. It's important

672
00:49:15,359 --> 00:49:20,720
» and that's that's my big question with
it because you get your count the

673
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:22,240
assessed valuation from the county say
mid June say

674
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:27,520
» you have a month
>> so but to get stuff on the ballot you've

675
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:31,440
got to have it 60 to 90 days ahead of
time so the primary election that would

676
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:34,240
take place in August you wouldn't be
able to hit so right

677
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,640
» you would have to hit the November
election

678
00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:39,920
» guessing that's by design
>> well and so so there's there's a whole

679
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:43,200
bunch of
>> so does the county get capped in the

680
00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:46,240
school district and
>> well And so that's that's the other

681
00:49:45,119 --> 00:49:49,920
question.
>> Are we still doing a valuation? What's

682
00:49:48,319 --> 00:49:53,760
the point if it's just a cap?
>> Well, so the I don't think it was going

683
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:56,720
to hit the whatever number of mills
schools are automatically allowed for

684
00:49:55,839 --> 00:49:58,559
» 20. Yeah.
>> 20 I think. Yeah.

685
00:49:57,839 --> 00:50:01,680
» Oh,
>> it would have applied to

686
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:05,520
» would have applied to counties. It would
have applied to uh you know the other

687
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:09,040
other taxing districts as well. So
>> let let me ask you this then going back

688
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:13,359
to the question gentleman answered
earlier. boil this down to the public so

689
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:17,520
they understand because really as Jay
said, we we're just kind of dealing in

690
00:50:15,119 --> 00:50:22,400
hypotheticals right now. We really are
just guessing uh and look and and

691
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:26,160
talking back and forth as the budget
stands right now for the community,

692
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,720
throwing acronyms out and stuff. What
are I mean, what are we looking at?

693
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:33,920
» Let me let me put it this way. I think
most people can understand this. the

694
00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:37,599
when we talk about the need to increase
uh you know taxes we're talking about

695
00:50:35,599 --> 00:50:40,480
the need because we have increased costs
you know and we call that typically we

696
00:50:39,119 --> 00:50:44,559
call that inflation if it's just
everything you're doing year in year out

697
00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:49,119
is becoming more expensive is we call it
inflation the metric that we use for

698
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:53,839
tracking inflation for our everyday
lives is a consumer price index we call

699
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:56,800
it the CPI and it's basically it's the
average increase in cost of average

700
00:50:55,359 --> 00:51:01,440
household's goods and stuff that you and
I buy every day for uh municipal

701
00:51:00,319 --> 00:51:05,920
governments. We use something called the
municipal cost index and it tracks a

702
00:51:03,359 --> 00:51:10,880
different set of you know regularly used
items that governments use. It's more

703
00:51:08,319 --> 00:51:15,040
things in the line of gravel and other
you know materials for road improvements

704
00:51:13,359 --> 00:51:19,760
and you know parts that you will be
using and fuel you'll be using for your

705
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:23,440
various operations like your electric
utility, your water and sewer utilities.

706
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:28,880
That's the kind of those are the kinds
of things that it's tracking. Uh you

707
00:51:25,839 --> 00:51:32,160
know, a pretty good calcul a pretty good
estimate for what you're going to need

708
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:35,520
to spend next year for especially when
it came to materials was always going to

709
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:38,319
be well it's going to be about 3%
because that's what the municipal cost

710
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:41,760
index told us it was going to be. That's
the amount that inflation is growing

711
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:44,160
year to year is about 3% somewhere
between two and a half to three

712
00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:49,280
depending on how the economy is doing
whatever. Well, this year it's over

713
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:52,960
almost 6% through August, which means
that if you are in an environment where

714
00:51:51,359 --> 00:51:56,800
you're going to see 6% growth in all
your costs every year and the county is

715
00:51:54,480 --> 00:52:01,760
only going to let you levy an additional
3% a year for general fund operations. I

716
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:05,359
mean, not over it's not all of your
general fund operations. And you know,

717
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:09,520
if sales tax is continuing to, you know,
grow, then great. But, you know, your

718
00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:12,240
mill levy essentially pays for your
police department is basically what it

719
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:17,760
pays for. If you wanted to split out
what every cost within your general fund

720
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:21,520
gets paid for the the mil what amount of
uh property tax you get basically pays

721
00:52:19,359 --> 00:52:25,760
for PD that's essentially what it pays
for. So you're going to see, you know,

722
00:52:24,319 --> 00:52:29,440
that's where you're going to feel the
biggest pinch is those type of general

723
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:32,400
fund operations are going to have to
operate with less every year that

724
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:35,599
they're going to have to delay
maintenance on vehicles and delay

725
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:39,599
purchasing new vehicles and delay
maintenance on equipment and purchasing

726
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:43,119
new equipment and other every everything
else that they do that they regularly

727
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:46,400
spend money on. So
>> means lack of morale because you're not

728
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:53,359
being able to compete with other police
departments for pay and benefits, etc.

729
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:53,359
So thank you.

730
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:10,599
other questions, concerns,
discussion.

731
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:18,160
Being clear, we are not raising a mill.
We are not raising a mill. Just so

732
00:53:15,839 --> 00:53:22,319
everyone's clear about that.
We're not increasing a mill.

733
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:26,119
We're taking what we have and trying to
work with what we got

734
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:39,362
anyone
[sighs and gasps]

735
00:53:35,599 --> 00:53:41,440
this time. Now I might uh ask for a
[sighs]

736
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:45,359
I'm going to introduce a resolution
202611

737
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:49,440
which authorizes the city to approve the
budget. Matter's been open for

738
00:53:47,119 --> 00:53:55,000
discussion. Is there a motion to approve
resolution 2026-1

739
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,000
11

740
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:05,760
» with no mill increases
>> with no mill increases.

741
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:07,760
» It goes down a little bit.
>> That's coming.

742
00:54:06,559 --> 00:54:11,680
» I'm sorry. Sir,
>> could you could you please include the

743
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:18,720
language in that motion to adopt a mill
levy not to exceed 42.268 mills?

744
00:54:16,319 --> 00:54:20,640
» Yeah. Okay. And I'm sorry, sir. Read it
to me again.

745
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:25,119
» 40.
>> Okay. Thank you.

746
00:54:21,359 --> 00:54:27,040
» Mill levy not to exceed 40 exceed 42.268
mills.

747
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:35,000
» All right. That's to include that the
mill levy not exceed 42.268

748
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:35,000
mills. Yes. Correct. Thank you.

749
00:54:36,559 --> 00:54:42,559
» Yeah.
I'll make that motion to not raise the

750
00:54:40,079 --> 00:54:46,319
millivy
and adopt the budget.

751
00:54:44,079 --> 00:54:48,160
» And adopt the budget. Do I have a
second?

752
00:54:47,119 --> 00:54:50,960
» Second it.
>> All in favor say I.

753
00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:52,800
» I. It'll be roll call.
>> Oh, roll call.

754
00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:57,599
» Yeah. I'm sorry. You're right. Thank
you. I'm going to start with the right

755
00:54:54,559 --> 00:55:00,000
this time. Uh, Councilman King,
>> yes.

756
00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:01,920
» Councilman WZ,
>> yes.

757
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,599
» Council Venimal,
>> yes.

758
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:07,040
» Council Lordson,
>> yes.

759
00:55:04,079 --> 00:55:14,160
» Motion passed by roll call.
The 2026 hyphen 11 2027 budgets adopted.

760
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:17,040
Now we'll go on to an easier thing.
That's a council appointment to

761
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:20,400
interview board for open library
position.

762
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:24,000
Who wants to do that?
>> So, just want to kind of give you an

763
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:29,119
update. The uh one of the individuals
that we appointed earlier uh this year

764
00:55:26,559 --> 00:55:35,760
has has resigned from from the library
board. Um so, we need to interview again

765
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:40,400
for to fill that position. So, we need
one of the members um from the council

766
00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:43,400
uh to set on that interview um
committee.

767
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:51,119
volunteers.
I did it last time [laughter]

768
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:56,559
and I'll I'll be more than happy to do
it again. I mean, it was it was it

769
00:55:53,760 --> 00:56:04,799
wasn't painful or anything. It was nice
to hear their stories. So, if if no one

770
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:07,040
wants to do it, I'll do it. I mean, so
appreciate it.

771
00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:11,359
» Okay.
>> Getting good at it. Well, Councilman

772
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:13,920
King, I guess you're it. [laughter]
Thank you for stepping up, sir. It's

773
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,839
much appreciated.
>> Thanks, Jay.

774
00:56:14,559 --> 00:56:19,280
» Thanks, J.
>> Okay, now we're going to go to the

775
00:56:17,359 --> 00:56:24,480
council and committee reports, budget
and finance. Scott,

776
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:28,720
» uh, yeah, let me pull up. Let's see
here.

777
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:34,880
So, we went through the July year-to-
date financials with Baker Tilly. Um,

778
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:40,960
just looked at, you know, utility wise,
where we're at, get an idea of where we

779
00:56:38,559 --> 00:56:47,280
expect to end the year.
in with the reserve and that's all based

780
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:50,000
on how much of the utilities used etc.
So it's it's definitely a rough

781
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:55,119
estimate. So we kind of got a happy
year's worth of view. Um you know and

782
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:58,640
and just right now and we've talked
about this before. I mean the electric

783
00:56:56,559 --> 00:57:03,920
fund looks like it's in good shape
because of the changes we made

784
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:09,040
previously. waters, you know, right
projected again, it's half a year away

785
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:15,200
projected to get real close to fund
policy at reserve and then it's

786
00:57:11,359 --> 00:57:21,200
wastewater that's, you know, well behind
um policy on the reserve. So, um, when

787
00:57:18,559 --> 00:57:24,880
we go [clears throat] through the, uh,
when we go through the, um, budget for

788
00:57:23,599 --> 00:57:28,960
the utilities, we're going to have to
look hard at rates to try to figure out

789
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:33,920
where we want to get the reserve back,
how quickly,

790
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:37,599
you know, a three-year recovery, etc.
would kind of drive a projected rate

791
00:57:35,839 --> 00:57:40,960
increase over three years as opposed to
trying to get it all back in a year. So,

792
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:44,880
those will be the conversations we'll
have

793
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:51,319
um, as we go forward. But that was the
pretty much um took up the entire

794
00:57:48,319 --> 00:57:51,319
agenda.

795
00:57:52,319 --> 00:57:57,359
» Real quick on that cuz in sorry
>> do we need to meet

796
00:57:55,520 --> 00:58:02,000
» Go ahead.
>> We we I think the last when we were in

797
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:05,599
that meeting we had talked about um if
you guys had done a smoke test

798
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,720
» Oh yes, you did bring that up.
>> Yeah,

799
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:11,280
» I think that was
>> for the waste water. Yeah, I mean they

800
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:16,480
they have and they've identified
identified some some areas, but you

801
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:20,799
know, at the end of the day, um you
know, it comes back to having some

802
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:23,839
capital capital to do these projects.
>> Yeah,

803
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:29,200
» it it's one thing we we're identifying
places, but we still got to fix them.

804
00:58:25,599 --> 00:58:33,280
And you know, this past week, we did a
repair inhouse for one of our major

805
00:58:31,359 --> 00:58:38,799
intersectors between Third and Fourth
Street, between Chapel and Dearbornne.

806
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:45,200
Um there's a huge project that we did
actually in house where we only hired

807
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:50,000
out a loader guy to to do the work. So
um that you know that saved the the city

808
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:53,359
a vast amount of money to do that. It
took us a little bit longer than it

809
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:58,640
would a normal crew hiring somebody out
but um you know they did a great job. Um

810
00:58:56,319 --> 00:59:05,359
they got that area fixed. um with that
intersector, you know, there's a a mass

811
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:11,520
amount of flow from north of 56 and east
of uh Sixth Street flows all through

812
00:59:08,079 --> 00:59:17,920
that that intersector. So on its way to
the plant. So um it was it was in dire

813
00:59:15,119 --> 00:59:22,160
need that we had to had to address it.
So

814
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:24,720
» Okay. Thank you. You're going to have a
meeting. You need one?

815
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:29,440
» No.
>> Okay. No meeting. Okay. Thank you. Let

816
00:59:26,799 --> 00:59:35,119
me The next reg regularly scheduled one
would be two weeks from this Friday.

817
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:37,280
» It would be the 11th.
>> It would be

818
00:59:36,319 --> 00:59:42,240
» no 18th.
>> Be the

819
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:48,559
be the 18th.
Um I'm sorry. Yeah. Be 18th. Um at 9:00

820
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:53,839
second floor city hall.
>> Thank you. Community development Corey.

821
00:59:51,599 --> 00:59:57,200
» Uh we did meet um didn't have any real
agenda items. just kind of had some

822
00:59:54,960 --> 01:00:05,520
general discussions about some of the uh
possible upcoming projects. Um

823
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:10,880
um prior prior business. Um
we will be meeting the

824
01:00:08,319 --> 01:00:15,079
third Monday
of this month which is

825
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:24,480
uh the 21st.
No, it's the 28th. 4:00 second floor

826
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:28,799
city hall.
That's the fourth Monday.

827
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:34,079
» Uh, no, Monday was the 31st.
>> No, but the 7th, 14th, 21st, 28th.

828
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:39,119
» One, two. Yeah. No, it's 21st. We used
to meet. So, here's the deal. We used to

829
01:00:37,119 --> 01:00:43,440
meet on the fourth Monday and then there
were a couple uh of the fourth Mondays

830
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:48,880
that fell on some holiday type thing.
And then when we kind of switched over

831
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:53,200
the 21st so um or for the 3rd. So, I in
my calendar it still says 28th, but

832
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:58,799
there's another one for the 21st. So, we
will stick with what we've been doing on

833
01:00:54,720 --> 01:01:03,440
the 21st, the 3rd Monday of September
at 4:00.

834
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:09,839
» Thank you. Public safety Jay,
>> uh, we have not met and we are scheduled

835
01:01:06,079 --> 01:01:15,040
to meet September 24th at 9:00
in the second floor, city hall. Okay.

836
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:17,920
» Did you get the email from the lady in
regards to the animal control?

837
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:21,119
» Yeah.
>> Okay. Thank you.

838
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:23,359
» Yep. It'll be on our said be your guys'
thing. will be what we talk.

839
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:27,520
» Thank you, Jay.
>> Things we talk about.

840
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:32,079
» Uh, let's see. Do you want to mention
anything about public works, Jay? Um,

841
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:36,799
Julie, I can't remember. We haven't met
since the last meeting. Okay.

842
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:39,119
» So, and she hasn't text me. She always
keeps me in line on that one when we're

843
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:44,240
going.
>> So, so that meeting is going to be um

844
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:48,079
Thursday, September 10th at public works
at 9:00 a.m.

845
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:52,079
» Okay.
Thank you. Jay, do you have anything

846
01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:55,200
else you want to add or N?
>> Thanks.

847
01:01:53,119 --> 01:01:57,040
» Anything with strategic planning, Scott?
>> Nope.

848
01:01:55,760 --> 01:02:00,559
» Okay.
>> Jay, anything on the lake?

849
01:01:58,319 --> 01:02:07,599
» Uh, the lake committee will meet on
September 15th at 6:00 in the executive

850
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:14,319
room here uh before our scheduled city
council meeting. So, got a lot of news

851
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:21,280
to talk about and so it's actually good
news. So, we'll keep hammering away and

852
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:26,559
hopefully at the after we meet it on the
15th, um I believe the plan is for uh

853
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:33,040
the count the late committee to maybe
come that meeting and kind of give more

854
01:02:30,319 --> 01:02:35,119
details. So,
>> good. Thank you, sir.

855
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:40,079
» Mhm.
>> City administrator, anything

856
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:47,119
» legal?
>> Nope. Nothing. to the clerk.

857
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:51,520
Council mayor comments.
Two quick things. Am Amra Packard's

858
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:56,960
going to start joining us on the finance
committee here in a couple weeks to sit

859
01:02:53,520 --> 01:03:01,200
in with us to kind of get an idea. My
belief and the reason I'm doing that

860
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:05,520
kind of gives a second in command kind
of redundancy in case Russ was kidnapped

861
01:03:03,359 --> 01:03:09,599
by a flying saucer on the west side of
town, never to be seen again. We can

862
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:14,079
fall back on camera. She'll know what's
going on. Uh, I just think it's it's

863
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:18,640
kind of good redundancy and leadership.
Uh, then my only other closing comments

864
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:24,720
is real quickly, thanks to the fire
department for last week and being

865
01:03:21,839 --> 01:03:33,799
during the third Friday and spraying the
kids. That was a very nice

866
01:03:27,839 --> 01:03:33,799
communityoriented deal. I events

867
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:43,039
like that. The kids were having a blast.
Fire department was got their test their

868
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:46,960
equipment out. It was good. Thank you,
fire department. I appreciate it. And I

869
01:03:45,599 --> 01:03:51,359
want to thank each one of the council
members tonight for their hard work on

870
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:54,720
this budget. Again, I know it was tough.
Uh setting up here is a lot different

871
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:59,119
sometimes than sitting out there. And I
appreciate everyone's hard work and

872
01:03:56,640 --> 01:04:02,520
dedication. Thank you. Do I have a
motion to adjurnn?

873
01:04:04,079 --> 01:04:11,280
» Our jourer is not here. [laughter]
>> Our adjourer

874
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:14,559
I move we adjourn. Second
>> second.

875
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:18,000
» I'm sorry. Sure.
>> No. No question. Pencil.

876
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:23,520
» No.
>> Well, can you do it after the meeting?

877
01:04:21,039 --> 01:04:24,960
» Can you do it I mean after the meeting?
Can we

878
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:30,079
» probably want to hear it?
>> What's that?

879
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:33,039
» Public comment time's over. Jerry, we're
getting ready to adjourn the meeting.

880
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:35,760
» I'm out of I'm out of the box, so I
guess I can talk, right?

881
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:41,039
» Second the motion. [laughter]
>> All right. Meeting adjourned.

882
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:44,799
Man,
>> we didn't technically adjourn.