1 00:00:05,839 --> 00:00:12,160 um one general meeting item and then we can go to the full regular meeting 2 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:15,160 docket. Um 3 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:26,880 it's a preliminary item board um case 26125. 4 00:00:24,080 --> 00:00:31,199 We reviewed it more closely and we determined did not need a variance. So 5 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:35,840 wanted you to note this if you agree. This was a fence case. It came to us, 6 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:40,559 but they found or there's another gap in the zoning code where 7 00:00:38,399 --> 00:00:46,960 there's no sideyard or front yard requirement for a fence or for anything 8 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:53,280 in the R8 zoning district. And so the sixoot fence is allowed by right. And so 9 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:58,239 I guess [snorts] for now the applicant benefits from this gap. We should fix 10 00:00:55,440 --> 00:01:04,960 this gap in the future. But so I guess this wanted to note this one and with 11 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:09,680 your concurrence we'll draft a one-page memo to the zoning administrator 12 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:16,159 indicating that there's no variance needed. So guess we can discuss or if 13 00:01:13,119 --> 00:01:21,040 you agree then we can I guess vote. I I do concur with the staff's opinion uh 14 00:01:18,479 --> 00:01:25,560 that this application uh does not require uh a variance. 15 00:01:27,119 --> 00:01:30,360 » I agree. 16 00:01:32,079 --> 00:01:34,159 » Can we get agreement across the board, please? 17 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:37,360 » Agreed. >> Thank you. 18 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:40,479 » Thank you. >> Okay. I think that's only one and we 19 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:47,520 have a footway thing, but we need more information to get that on your radar. 20 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:55,040 So, we'll come back to that one. Um, now we can start the regular docket or 21 00:01:52,240 --> 00:02:01,920 the zoning docket. Okay. Good afternoon and welcome to the July 21st, 2026 1pm 22 00:02:00,079 --> 00:02:07,479 docket for the board of municipal and zoning appeals. My name is Justin 23 00:02:04,479 --> 00:02:07,479 Williams. 24 00:02:09,039 --> 00:02:15,120 Name the whole script. My name is Justin Williams and I'm the interim executive 25 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:20,239 director of the BMZA. The board members here this afternoon from left to right 26 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:26,319 are Kate Howard, Liz Cornish, Leland Shelton who's the chair, Ryan Hargrave, 27 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:29,920 and Victor Clark. We ask everyone in the room please turn off their cell phones 28 00:02:28,319 --> 00:02:34,239 and then if you need to speak probably with another person, please do that in 29 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:37,519 the lobby or hallway. Um, the reason for that is that we have a court reporter 30 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:42,640 recording all the audio that's happening in the room and then also someone from 31 00:02:39,519 --> 00:02:45,920 Charm TV is recording video of the proceedings and so the microphones in 32 00:02:44,239 --> 00:02:48,720 the room will pick up your conversations if you're having them. So again, please 33 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:54,879 if you need to have a private conversation, we ask you do that in the 34 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:58,720 hallway. Um, we will be calling the cases generally in the order. They're in 35 00:02:56,239 --> 00:03:04,000 the docket. Um, if you've not done so already, we ask anybody planning to 36 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:09,440 speak on behalf in support or opposition for a case, please sign in in front of 37 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:12,640 uh Mr. Walker and the desk here. Again, we want everyone who's planning to 38 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:17,920 speak, including attorneys, applicants, those in favor, those opposed, please 39 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:22,959 sign in. Um, when your case is called, the applicant will go first. We ask 40 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:26,000 applicant come to the table uh uh introduce yourself, spell your name 41 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:31,200 for the court reporter and take an oath before giving testimony. Um the board 42 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:35,440 will probably vote on your appeal today, but that vote is not final. By law, we 43 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:39,680 must prepare a written document called a resolution which requires drafting and 44 00:03:37,519 --> 00:03:43,280 review. This process takes several weeks. We will send it to you by email 45 00:03:41,519 --> 00:03:49,040 and if you're the appellant, you'll be able to access it through. We ask that 46 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:52,000 you do not uh begin work until you have actual building permit. The written 47 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:57,120 resolution is on the permit. It's just a written resolution um memorialized in 48 00:03:54,480 --> 00:04:00,159 the board's decision. Um we mentioned on the docket there's a one case that has 49 00:03:58,799 --> 00:04:05,200 been removed from the general meeting docket just for um recordkeeping. That's 50 00:04:02,879 --> 00:04:11,360 26-125. The board voted in the um general 51 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:17,417 meeting to allow that to proceed um without a variance. And with that, Mr. 52 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:18,239 chair, we can proceed. [snorts] 53 00:04:18,072 --> 00:04:21,440 [clears throat] >> Good afternoon, everyone. Uh, thank you 54 00:04:20,079 --> 00:04:25,520 for coming up today. I'd like to just just send a reminder that when your name 55 00:04:23,280 --> 00:04:30,880 is called, um, please have a seat at the table. Um, you I'll ask you to stand and 56 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:35,120 be sworn. Uh, please make sure that your microphone is on. Uh, there is a small 57 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:39,360 button on the microphone. If the light is green, your microphone is on. Uh so 58 00:04:37,199 --> 00:04:43,479 now calling our first case for today, appeal 26 59 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:52,320 87 2826 through 2840 Westwood Avenue. Uh 60 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:58,400 Rosenberg Martin is here to represent the appellent uh NHP Foundation. Uh the 61 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:02,479 application is to construct a community center uh as a conditional use and 62 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:05,919 accessory structure requiring a variance to the bulking yard regulations. Uh 63 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:08,639 first we will hear from planning and staff. 64 00:05:06,479 --> 00:05:11,919 » Sorry. Um just briefly um would it be all right if we moved later in the 65 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:15,320 docket? My client is yet. Thank you. >> Sure. No problem. 66 00:05:15,840 --> 00:05:25,440 » Calling case 26104 3635 Edmonson Avenue. Uh Muhammadu Assan 67 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:28,960 Soel is the appellent. The request is to add a tobacco sales to an existing 68 00:05:27,039 --> 00:05:33,280 convenience store. Uh first we hear from planning and staff. 69 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:40,479 » Good afternoon. Justin Walker with the Department of Planning on case 26104 70 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:46,240 for 3635 Eison Avenue. The request is the addition of the sales of tobacco to 71 00:05:43,039 --> 00:05:52,320 an existing retail goods establishment that's authorized under the neighborhood 72 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:57,360 commercial establishment designation. Um per the zoning code section 14328 73 00:05:55,919 --> 00:06:01,840 uh the sale of tobacco products is explicitly prohibited uh in neighborhood 74 00:05:59,759 --> 00:06:05,520 commercial establishments such as this. Uh planning notes that in the event the 75 00:06:03,840 --> 00:06:08,960 applicant can demonstrate this is actually a non-conforming retail goods 76 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:14,319 establishment which would mean it existed and operated continuously since 77 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:18,319 prior to 2017 uh when this prohibition was added. um that that would make it a 78 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:22,639 non-conforming retail goods which would be eligible for tobacco sales. Um from 79 00:06:21,039 --> 00:06:26,800 what planning has that does not seem to be the case. This does seem to be a 80 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:30,319 neighborhood commercial establishment uh under which tobacco sales are 81 00:06:28,639 --> 00:06:35,800 prohibited. So therefore planning recommends disapproval unless they can 82 00:06:32,319 --> 00:06:35,800 demonstrate non-conformity. 83 00:06:36,639 --> 00:06:44,759 Would you let me know when uh >> Sure. Yes. Yes. Uh could you guys please 84 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,759 stand and be sworn? 85 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,880 Gentlemen, 86 00:06:48,479 --> 00:06:55,360 » please raise your right hand. You swear affirm the opportunity to tell the 87 00:06:53,759 --> 00:06:57,520 truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth in the testimony that you're 88 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,919 about to give. >> Yes. 89 00:06:57,919 --> 00:07:03,840 » And could you both please spell, state, and spell your first and last name? 90 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:11,759 » Yes. My first name Mouhammad Hassan Soil is M A H M U D U L. Middle name Hassan H 91 00:07:08,319 --> 00:07:18,000 A S A N. And the last name Suel S O H E L. Kenneth McCoy, Kenn 92 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:20,479 MC Ko Y. >> Thank you. 93 00:07:19,199 --> 00:07:25,120 » And I guess one more housekeeping, you can have a seat. Uh we have received in 94 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:29,199 your board packet 17 letters of support signed by individual residents which 95 00:07:27,199 --> 00:07:32,000 included their contact information. And we also received three letters of 96 00:07:30,479 --> 00:07:40,000 opposition um dated June 2026. Um each or each 97 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:45,039 letter in the packet generally uh poses additional tobacco sales and details 98 00:07:41,919 --> 00:07:51,039 concerns about youth access to tobacco um health risk associated with tobacco 99 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:55,440 and all three have report allegations of loose cigarettes being sold. 100 00:07:54,160 --> 00:08:00,879 » Thank you. Uh please tell us what brings you here today. 101 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:08,319 » Thank you very much board members and uh chairman. Uh I'm here to um um 102 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:17,039 requesting to um add add tobacco sales on my existing uh neighborhood 103 00:08:10,319 --> 00:08:24,879 convenience store. Um and um we have uh to prevent to sell uh tobacco cell to 104 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:35,839 miners or some our we have I have got some um equipments to verify the age and 105 00:08:30,319 --> 00:08:42,080 u and I trained my employee as well. Sir, are you aware that um the current 106 00:08:38,560 --> 00:08:46,800 zoning code does not allow tobacco sales uh at convenience stores? 107 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:57,279 » Um [clears throat] yes. Um recently I have a word about that and uh then I 108 00:08:49,760 --> 00:09:01,640 filed for um BMZA hearing. Um and um yeah. So, um, 109 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:09,920 » could you um, how long have y'all owned the store? 110 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:13,720 » Um, it's been around a year. >> One year? 111 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,720 » Yes. 112 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:21,200 » And when you bought it, was it uh a convenience store? 113 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:25,519 » No, it wasn't. It was a barber shop and u I have renovated and then turned it 114 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:30,120 into an grocery store. >> A barber shop when you purchased it? 115 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,120 Yes. 116 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:43,440 » Okay. Um, so I have a question for staff. Uh, 117 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:46,240 barbershop is would be a neighborhood commercial establishment. Correct. 118 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:51,600 » Correct. >> Um, however, 119 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:56,320 would that uh sort of satisfy the non-conforming use? 120 00:09:54,720 --> 00:10:03,519 So that I guess that's a question for the board's consideration. The 121 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:09,839 addition of the prohibition on tobacco sales which is in do we have copies of 122 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:13,440 zoning code? This is section 14-328 I 123 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:16,399 um pull it up since we're discussing this. 124 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:20,720 » I'm sorry. >> Just be able to get it online. 125 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:25,532 » Yeah. um that has a prohibition that became effective 126 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:29,279 um June 10th, 2020. [clears throat] And so the 127 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:34,399 interpretation that staff were going with was that a permit to start a new 128 00:10:32,079 --> 00:10:38,399 business afterwards without with tobacco would be 129 00:10:36,079 --> 00:10:42,640 prohibited. And so it's kind of consistent with planning. Planning date 130 00:10:39,839 --> 00:10:47,040 was 2017 when there was an NCE. I think it could be later June 10th, 2020 is 131 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:50,320 when that tobacco prohibition became effective. 132 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:54,160 But if there's no prior history of tobacco sales, that was our 133 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:56,399 interpretation of like it'd be non-conforming. It could be 134 00:10:55,040 --> 00:11:02,480 non-conforming and continued if it was prior to June 10th, 2020, but without 135 00:10:59,279 --> 00:11:06,000 evidence of tobacco sales prior to that, then we think it would be subject to 136 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:09,399 that prohibition, which I'm going to put on the screen. 137 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:27,120 And sir, and sir, so um the problem that we're that we're encountering is that um 138 00:11:25,519 --> 00:11:30,480 that although this was a neighborhood commercial establishment, it was a 139 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:35,519 barberh shop. Uh and so there's no history within in the zoning uh sort of 140 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:42,640 history in the records of the city uh that this was uh formerly before June uh 141 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:49,839 2020 when the prohibition on new uh corner stores selling tobacco uh was um 142 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:54,480 was law. Um there's no history of any tobacco sales at this at this location 143 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:59,440 and because of that it appears that um we may not be able to grant uh your 144 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:03,360 appeal. Um, are there any other questions of the applicant? 145 00:12:01,680 --> 00:12:09,600 » No questions. >> No questions. 146 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:15,279 » And so, uh, I'd like to recommend that we, uh, adopt the, uh, recommendations 147 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:20,560 and findings in the planning department's memo. And with that, um, I 148 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:23,519 I'm going to be a no, uh, for this case. >> Also a no. 149 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:26,160 » Also a no. >> Also a no. 150 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:30,240 » No. >> Thank you, sir. And just to clarify for 151 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:34,079 the you'll get a written decision. I mean the issue is that although you're 152 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:37,200 retail goods establishment, you're classified as a neighborhood commercial 153 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:43,920 establishment because you're in a residentially zoned 154 00:12:39,839 --> 00:12:48,000 block or property. So if it were a commercially zoned block where you could 155 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:53,200 be just retail good establishment, this wouldn't apply. But unfortunately, the 156 00:12:50,399 --> 00:12:56,240 current zoning designation has you as a neighborhood commercial establishment 157 00:12:54,560 --> 00:13:04,040 which has this prohibition on tobacco sales. 158 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:04,040 » Thank you guys. Thank you. Thank you. 159 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:13,440 Now calling our next case 266 4744 160 00:13:10,959 --> 00:13:16,720 Alhhamra Avenue. Aisha Jackson is the appellent. The request is for 161 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:20,160 conditional use approval to use the basement as a retail goods 162 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:23,800 establishment. Uh first we will hear from planning and staff. 163 00:13:24,959 --> 00:13:31,760 4744 Alhamra Avenue. The request is for a 164 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:36,800 uh neighborhood commercial establishment for retail goods sales. Uh planning 165 00:13:34,560 --> 00:13:40,639 found documented history of non-residential use. Uh property 166 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:45,680 previously had authorization as a grocery store in 2018. uh which 167 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:50,560 satisfies the requirement of section 14300 for neighborhood commercial 168 00:13:47,680 --> 00:13:54,560 establishments. Um as noted in the neighborhood commercial establishments, 169 00:13:52,399 --> 00:13:58,560 uh the sale of tobacco and alcohol is prohibited. Uh but with that and for the 170 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:01,519 reasons outlined in the staff report, planning recommends approval of the 171 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:04,240 appeal. >> Thank you. But before I go, I want to 172 00:14:02,959 --> 00:14:11,120 make sure there is there anyone here in opposition for this case? 173 00:14:06,560 --> 00:14:16,079 Okay. Um please um stand and be sworn. Excuse [clears throat and cough] 174 00:14:13,199 --> 00:14:20,480 me. Please raise your right hand. Do you swear or affirm under the authority of 175 00:14:17,839 --> 00:14:23,360 prayetry to tell the truth, whole truth, and nothing but the truth in the 176 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,160 testimony that you're about to give? >> Yes. 177 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:28,320 » Yes, sir. >> Can you please state and spell your 178 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:40,399 first and last name? >> Aisha Jackson, Aki, SA J A C O N. 179 00:14:34,399 --> 00:14:44,160 » Alan Griffin, A L L E N G R I FF I N. Thank you. Yes, sir. 180 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:47,680 » Um, so tell us what brings you here today. 181 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:54,160 » Uh, good afternoon. My name is Alan Griffin. Um, I'm speaking on the behalf 182 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:59,519 of my wife who's the actual person that's purchasing the 183 00:14:57,279 --> 00:15:05,360 property here. So, uh, basically, 184 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:08,959 uh, she's requesting approval to operate a neighborhood, uh, commercial 185 00:15:07,199 --> 00:15:14,480 establishment, which is the, uh, 44 4744 186 00:15:12,399 --> 00:15:19,760 Elam Avenue. Um, the business will offer everyday 187 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:23,839 convenience items such as snacks, beverages, 188 00:15:21,279 --> 00:15:29,040 household essential, personal products. In addition, 189 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:33,279 uh she will sell a pearl under her clothing brand Bless beyond Measure, 190 00:15:31,279 --> 00:15:37,959 which is, you know, t-shirts and socks or whatnot. 191 00:15:34,959 --> 00:15:37,959 Uh 192 00:15:38,079 --> 00:15:46,959 it combines neighborhood convenience and local shopping. Basically, uh the 193 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:51,440 community benefits from it. Uh bringing existing commercial storefront back to 194 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:55,279 active use. uh improve the uh appearance of the 195 00:15:53,279 --> 00:16:00,320 property. As you can see, it's like need some trimming and grass stuff like that 196 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:04,171 out there. But uh and it'll create local employment once the business grows for 197 00:16:03,199 --> 00:16:08,000 the community. We looking [clears throat] to uh put people from 198 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:13,360 the neighborhood inside of the establishment. 199 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:17,519 Uh and also it serves customers. It's a bus stop right there on the corner to 200 00:16:14,959 --> 00:16:22,880 serve customers on a bus stop, hot days, beverages or whatn not like that. 201 00:16:20,399 --> 00:16:27,759 And we have also a security plan in place, you know, to work with local law 202 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:34,480 enforcement and such. And we have uh Exfinity cameras that will be around the 203 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:36,480 whole building and inside and outside. >> Um, how long have you guys owned the 204 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,880 building? >> Oh, we don't own the building. We 205 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,120 actually rent. >> You rent the building? How long have you 206 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:46,160 been renting? >> Uh, well, the it's all based upon if it 207 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:50,000 can be approved. >> Okay. before we move forward with that 208 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:54,079 actual process. But >> okay. Um any other questions for the 209 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:58,240 applicants? >> No. 210 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:03,920 » I'd like to recommend that we adopt the reports, the findings in the uh report 211 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:06,959 from planning. Um after hearing the application, reviewing the application, 212 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:10,559 I'm hearing their testimony today and reviewing the application. Um, I have 213 00:17:09,120 --> 00:17:15,600 not found any reason to believe that establishment of a neighborhood 214 00:17:11,679 --> 00:17:20,319 commercial uh uh retails goods establishment at this location uh would 215 00:17:17,919 --> 00:17:23,839 lead to any negative consequences that would go above and beyond what we expect 216 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:29,400 anywhere else uh within the zoning district. Uh and so for that reason, I'm 217 00:17:25,839 --> 00:17:29,400 a yes for the application. 218 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:34,880 » Also yes. >> Also yes. 219 00:17:33,360 --> 00:17:38,880 » Thank you guys. >> Thank you. 220 00:17:37,360 --> 00:17:44,960 Thank you. >> So, you will get uh a resolution in the 221 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:47,760 mail. Uh please do not open business, open for business or do anything until 222 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:50,000 you receive that resolution in the mail from the zoning office. 223 00:17:48,799 --> 00:17:54,320 » Yes, sir. Thank you. >> Thank you. 224 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:59,760 » Uh calling our next state next case 26171 225 00:17:56,080 --> 00:18:05,200 844 Round Road. Uh the appellent uh is Chase Hoffber representing uh Bonnet 226 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:09,200 Harris for Carol's Development LLC. Uh the request is to use a portion as as an 227 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:13,280 educational facility, a commercial vocational requiring variance to bulk 228 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:18,960 and yard regulations and a conditional use approval. Uh first we will hear from 229 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:24,320 planning and staff >> 844 Brown View Road. Uh this is a 230 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:30,400 proposal to replace the former U tops elementary school with an 80 unit uh 231 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:34,799 mixeduse multif family dwelling. There is a conditional use and variances. 232 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:40,320 first to cover the conditional use. Uh the request is for an educational 233 00:18:37,919 --> 00:18:43,919 facility, a commercial vocational. We understand it's in an employment 234 00:18:41,919 --> 00:18:50,960 training center and we also have an office u for the mayor's office of 235 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:57,039 employment development. Um in addition to the conditional use which planning is 236 00:18:53,440 --> 00:19:01,840 supportive of uh there are two required variances. First is for the required 237 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:06,000 front yard. Uh the district requires a setback of 20 ft. The proposed building 238 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:11,039 will project to within 11 ft of the front lot line. So a 9 foot variance uh 239 00:19:08,799 --> 00:19:15,760 is required. We understand that there is both a slope uh on the front of the 240 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:19,280 building that requires the setback. Also uh the project will move the sidewalk. 241 00:19:17,679 --> 00:19:24,799 The sidewalk is currently directly off the street. Uh the project will move the 242 00:19:21,919 --> 00:19:29,760 sidewalk 5T in uh to increase pedestrian safety. Uh doing this would have made 243 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:34,080 the sidewalk split between the private parcel and the right of way. Uh the 244 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:37,280 department of transportation prefers sidewalks to be entirely the right of 245 00:19:35,919 --> 00:19:41,039 way. So some of the property was dedicated to the right of way reducing 246 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:45,919 their ability to meet that front yard requirement. Uh so in addition there's 247 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:52,080 the height variance and I do apologize for one error in the written planning 248 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:57,840 report. I have 67 feet. The request is for 62 feet which is a 17 foot variance. 249 00:19:55,600 --> 00:20:01,200 Uh that's necessitated also by the affformentioned slope in the front of 250 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:05,679 the property. The measurement methodology methodology and the zoning 251 00:20:03,679 --> 00:20:09,679 code requires the measurement from the mean curb height to the top of the 252 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:14,880 building. So even though the building uh will only measure 45 ft from base to 253 00:20:13,120 --> 00:20:19,039 roof uh when you factor in the mean height of the curb, the variance is 254 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:24,480 necessitated. uh planning finds that those meet the requirements of section 255 00:20:21,679 --> 00:20:29,600 5406 of the zoning code and therefore recommend approval of both the 256 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:33,440 conditional use and all of the variances. 257 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:36,720 » Thank you. First I want to ask anyone who plans to speak whether in support or 258 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:39,720 opposition of this case to stand and be sworn. 259 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:46,400 » Please raise your right hand. Do you swear or affirm under the authority of 260 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:49,600 prayer to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, the 261 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:54,080 testimony that you're about to give? >> Yes, I do. 262 00:20:51,120 --> 00:21:02,400 » Please state your first and last name. >> My first name is Willis W L I E 263 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:07,039 Walker W. I'm reser 264 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:12,320 and a retired judge. Thank you. >> Vonet Harris with Chyros Development. 265 00:21:09,039 --> 00:21:18,320 Spelling my name is V O N E T E. Last name Harris. H A R R I S. 266 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:23,520 » Chase Hoffberger. C H A S E. H O F F B E R G E R. 267 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:29,840 » Michael Middleton. M I D L. That's the last name. First name is Michael. M I C 268 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:35,200 H A E L. Last name Middleton. M I D L E T O N. I'll be speaking in favor of 269 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:39,360 » got the important case. Got the mayor trail. You know, uh Mr. offer to tell me 270 00:21:37,919 --> 00:21:43,919 about your case today. >> Sure, and thanks for having us. Um, this 271 00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:48,960 is a a great project that um, Miss Harris here has endeavored to uh, to 272 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:52,720 take on um, as part of Kyros development in coordination with the Cherry Hill 273 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:56,240 Development Corporation and the city of Baltimore. This is city on land 274 00:21:54,159 --> 00:22:02,080 currently uh, the site of the old school elementary school and um, as part of the 275 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:07,039 uh, 2020 Cherry Hill Transformation Plan. This site was identified as a 276 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:11,440 great location for affordable housing and um and a workforce development 277 00:22:09,039 --> 00:22:17,039 center. Um so the general development plan here you can see the school within 278 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:21,840 the within the boundaries um is to is to eventually de demolish the school and um 279 00:22:19,919 --> 00:22:25,440 on the east side of the property which is on the right um there would be uh the 280 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:30,799 development that we're here to talk about now. We'll call that phase one. 281 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:35,919 That's 80 affordable housing units and a um and a vocational school. And then um 282 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:41,120 and then phase two, which will take place later, um will will sort of take 283 00:22:39,039 --> 00:22:45,760 the place of the of the old school here and that would add another 40 um 40 284 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:51,600 affordable housing units. We'd also note that the the uh development plan for 285 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:54,799 phase one includes um 90 off streetet parking spots. 286 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,840 So, [clears throat] uh, we're here to talk about two 287 00:22:55,919 --> 00:23:02,159 variance requests and a conditional use appeal. Um, let's talk about the 288 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:06,400 variances first. Um, this this, uh, this requires a See if I 289 00:23:05,120 --> 00:23:09,760 can cut down that feedback. This requires a front yard setback variance 290 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:12,720 and a and a height variance as Mr. Walker noted, and we agree with with 291 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:18,240 most of planning with all of Planning's findings here. Um, there is a 17 ft 292 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:20,880 change in grade uh from the front of this property to the back. And as you're 293 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:28,320 looking at the property, you can certainly see that it's odd. um curved, 294 00:23:24,159 --> 00:23:34,080 wide uh narrow and irregular uh border in the back and uh and fronted by 295 00:23:31,039 --> 00:23:38,159 actually this this rounded road is is uh two different roads. So there's Carver 296 00:23:36,559 --> 00:23:42,080 kind of on the bottom side and then and then Round View on the right and then 297 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:46,799 and then Cherryland goes up along the along the shorter edge there. That 17t 298 00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:50,480 change in grade creates a lot of problems uh for for developing a 299 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:55,200 building that can accommodate this amount of affordable housing. Um, in in 300 00:23:53,919 --> 00:23:57,600 preparation for this, there's a lot of discussion internally about whether 301 00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:01,520 there's a five-story building or a fourtory story building because in on 302 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:05,919 one side it's five and in the back it's four. Um, that's because you've got 303 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:11,520 about a whole a whole story worth of difference um in that grade. So if you 304 00:24:09,679 --> 00:24:16,480 were to only if you were to adhere to the the strict definition of what uh of 305 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:21,520 the measurement of building height um and and you were to make it such that 306 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:26,000 from the front of the curb to the uh to the the mean average of the building 307 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:31,760 height uh at its closest point to the curb um and if that were to be 45 ft 308 00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:38,960 then the back of the building would be um 28 feet which would really be a small 309 00:24:35,679 --> 00:24:42,720 a small building and and it wouldn't it wouldn't accomplish the goals that 310 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:45,919 the that the transformation plan set out for the property, but it would also 311 00:24:44,159 --> 00:24:51,279 create sort of an architecturally oddlooking building. Um, and so we do 312 00:24:48,559 --> 00:24:54,159 think it's justified here to uh provide some relief and essentially create the 313 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:59,200 measurement from the back of the building. We'll note that because of the 314 00:24:56,159 --> 00:25:03,039 um because of the orientation of this property with respect to the other land 315 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:06,880 in the area in the back you've got the Cherry Hill Elementary School. um that's 316 00:25:05,279 --> 00:25:12,159 not really impeded by the height difference. And then um and then on the 317 00:25:09,279 --> 00:25:17,360 other side you've got some uh HABC housing um and there's a fair amount of 318 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:22,880 separation both by Round View Road and just by the setbacks that exist. So we 319 00:25:19,279 --> 00:25:26,559 think that the that the elevation um the building height in the front 320 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:31,919 really won't create any problems or orientation issues for the uh for the 321 00:25:30,159 --> 00:25:37,120 neighbors. And in terms of the front yard setback, 322 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:43,679 Mr. Walker uh described the issue pretty concisely. Uh currently you can see sort 323 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:49,520 of a a very narrow small sidewalk that runs right along Carver Road into Round 324 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:54,320 View Road. Um that's not safe or really enjoyable to walk along. And the 325 00:25:51,679 --> 00:25:58,720 redevelopment plan um proposes to move that sidewalk in a little bit. uh that 326 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:02,400 would create some some issues in terms of the sidewalk, which is a public right 327 00:26:00,159 --> 00:26:06,559 ofway, obviously, uh being split between what will be privately owned land, and 328 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:12,720 the city right ofway. um as an effort to get around that and and um and and uh 329 00:26:10,159 --> 00:26:18,799 take care of that issue in advance. Um we Miss Harris is is planning to 330 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:23,760 dedicate uh some of that land in a small portion uh to to the city and that will 331 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:28,559 create an issue where kind of in the middle of this of this proposed building 332 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:32,880 you've got a you've got an 11 foot setback where 20 is required. So, it's 333 00:26:31,039 --> 00:26:38,640 not the entire building as your site plan shows. It's kind of a a portion, 334 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:43,360 maybe 50% of the front facade. Um, but it is a necessary step in order to 335 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:46,640 comply with with DOT preferences and also to create a little bit more safety. 336 00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:50,960 There you can see that it's really a small small portion along that that 337 00:26:49,039 --> 00:26:54,240 middle area. In terms of the other approval 338 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:57,760 standards, uh the practical difficulty certainly caused by the code and the 339 00:26:55,760 --> 00:27:01,520 conditions of the property. uh it's not solely to profit but it's really to 340 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:08,000 create a feasible a feasible development that can meet the needs of the of the um 341 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:12,000 residents um while while also um while also fitting into the into the 342 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:15,520 conditions of the property. This these variances won't be injurious to the use 343 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:19,440 and enjoyment of other property in the vicinity. It's minimal setback request 344 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:23,760 and the and the property is uh relatively separated from other 345 00:27:20,799 --> 00:27:27,200 buildings anyway. And um and again this this proposal is in direct direct 346 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:31,360 conformity with the Cherry Hill transformation plan of 2020. We do have 347 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:35,279 letters of support from South Baltimore 7 United Communities and the Youth 348 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:39,520 Resilience Institute and uh and in your file should also be one from Council 349 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:44,640 Member Felicia Porter. Now, under the conditional use appeal, um the proposal 350 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:49,919 is to put an educational facility, vocational in in this building, um kind 351 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:54,799 of in this terrace level, this this uh halfway fifth floor on the bottom. Um 352 00:27:52,559 --> 00:28:00,399 and and also to install an accessory office for the mayor's office of 353 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:03,760 employment development. Um Miss Harris has secured a letter of intent from the 354 00:28:01,919 --> 00:28:09,039 Affinity Community Development Corporation to uh to use this space as a 355 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:13,440 school. uh they're they're intending workforce development training for 15 to 356 00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:18,720 20 students at a time. These students would need to uh accomplish 750 hours of 357 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:22,720 training over a four-year period in order to get trade licenses and things 358 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:28,399 like that. Um with approximately 12 hours of th of those 750 in the 359 00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:34,480 classroom because most of the time will be spent um on site job sites learning. 360 00:28:32,399 --> 00:28:39,679 um it's really a small portion of their training will happen on on campus and 361 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:43,760 this will happen from 5:30 to 8:30 at night. Um and so the so the office or 362 00:28:42,159 --> 00:28:49,039 the school will be closed during the day. Um uh sort of minimizing the 363 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:52,799 impact. We think 15 to 20 students at a time is a very small impact anyway. Uh 364 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:57,520 in terms of parking, in terms of loading, there's plenty of off- streetet 365 00:28:54,559 --> 00:29:01,279 parking on site. So um so Round View Road won't be packed with with people 366 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:07,279 parallel parking. We'd also note that that as this as the site of a former 367 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:12,240 school, this street is very uh accustomed to accommodating traffic 368 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:19,520 patterns anyway. So, so we don't think it would it would be a a very big deal. 369 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:22,159 Um, in terms of in terms of the approval standards for the conditional use 370 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:26,640 appeal, the site is a large property with an uneven topography and an 371 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:30,320 institutional use history as a as a former school. Uh it provides ample open 372 00:29:29,039 --> 00:29:35,200 space for development and parking necessary to accommodate these residents 373 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:39,120 as well as the students. Um there there will be 90 off- streetet parking spots 374 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:43,840 as I mentioned and um and and as this has been a target uh as part of the 375 00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:47,360 transformation plan for development uh we would anticipate rather than than 376 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:51,279 being a hindrance on future development that this could spur active community 377 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:55,039 oriented development in the community. So um with that I will close my case. We 378 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:59,200 have a few people here to speak in support and uh Miss Harris and I uh 379 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,940 welcome any questions now or after they speak. 380 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:05,600 » Before Before they speak, I do have a [clears throat] couple sort of 381 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:10,080 clarifying questions. Could you clarify uh building height? 382 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:13,200 » So the building height in the front will be 62 feet. 383 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:18,559 » 62. Okay. >> In the back the the back elevation is 45 384 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:23,520 ft. So the the difference between the the permitted 45 ft and you're permitted 385 00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:29,600 45 ft on a corner lot, which this would constitute uh where where the the two 386 00:30:26,399 --> 00:30:34,640 roads are 30t or more. Um so so you're permitted to go to 45 ft. The difference 387 00:30:32,399 --> 00:30:38,559 between what is proposed and what is permitted is the difference in in the 388 00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:41,279 change of grade from the front of the property to the back. 389 00:30:39,679 --> 00:30:45,279 » Okay. The the reason I asked because there was I think discrepancy in our 390 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:48,480 records. We had 67 feet and 6. So yes, >> just want to clear it up. 62 ft. Okay. 391 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:51,480 I'd love to hear from your clients. Okay. 392 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:12,000 Good afternoon, members [clears throat] of the zoning board. As stated, my name 393 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:16,640 is Michael Middleton and I'm a longtime community advocate and resident 394 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:20,640 stakeholder in Cherry Hill. I'm here today in support of the PABSCO point 395 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:26,640 development and the zoning relief necessary to move this transformative 396 00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:32,080 project forward. PABSCO point is the result of years of thoughtful planning 397 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:37,519 and community engagement. This project did not emerge in isolation. It is a 398 00:31:35,279 --> 00:31:43,360 direct outgrowth of community vision for the Cherry Hill community. The 399 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:48,399 development is especially identified or specifically identified in the 2020 400 00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:52,880 Cherry Hill transformation plan which recognized the former Patabo Elementary 401 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:57,039 School site as a prime location for mixed income housing and community 402 00:31:55,360 --> 00:32:01,600 reinvestment. Patabco Point will create muchneeded 403 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:06,880 affordable housing opportunities for Cherry Hill residents. Cherry Hill has 404 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:10,880 not seen a new housing build in 20 years. 405 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:15,600 This project fully aligns with the economic and social goals established by 406 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:21,360 the Cherry Hill community. It advances key priorities including affordable and 407 00:32:18,399 --> 00:32:26,399 mixed income housing, anti-displacement strategies, wealth building 408 00:32:23,679 --> 00:32:31,760 opportunities, and workforce development and economic mobility. A particularly uh 409 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:36,960 important component is the plan workforce development and vocational 410 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:42,320 training facility. This investment will connect residents to meaningful career 411 00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:47,519 pathways, provide skills training, and support long-term economic opportunities 412 00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:52,320 by combining housing and workforce development. Patabo Point embraces a 413 00:32:50,159 --> 00:32:57,600 holistic approach to neighborhood revitalization that benefits both 414 00:32:54,399 --> 00:33:02,480 current and future residents. Patap's copoint reflects the principles of 415 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:07,519 purposebuilt communities model that Cherry Hill residents have embraced and 416 00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:13,279 supported. The project integrates highquality uh mixed income housing, 417 00:33:10,559 --> 00:33:18,799 educational opportunities, and economic development resources to help create 418 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:23,080 lasting positive outcomes for families and the broader community. 419 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:31,679 Cab's development has consistently listened to the community and responded 420 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:36,000 to resident concerns and priorities throughout the planning process. The 421 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:41,039 proposed development reflects what the community requested and represents a 422 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:45,840 project that is both economically viable and socially responsible. 423 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:49,919 As someone who has advocated for Cherry Hill community for more than three 424 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:55,039 decades, I have worked tirelessly alongside residents, stakeholders, and 425 00:33:52,720 --> 00:34:00,399 community partners to bring meaningful investment to this neighborhood. Papsco 426 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:06,000 Point represents the type of thoughtful community centered development we have 427 00:34:02,799 --> 00:34:10,879 been working toward for many years. The zoning relief being requested should 428 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:15,359 be approved because it is consistent with the goals, objectives, and 429 00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:21,040 recommendations outlined in the 2020 Cherry Hill Transformational Plan. The 430 00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:26,079 requested approvals will allow the community uh adopted vision to become a 431 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:31,119 reality. Pabsco Point will be an attractive and 432 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:35,200 environmentally responsible development that establish a high standard for 433 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:40,639 future investment in the Cherry Hill community. The project demonstrates how 434 00:34:37,839 --> 00:34:45,760 growth can occur in a way that respects community values while creating lasting 435 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:51,040 benefits for residents. The requested variances are driven by 436 00:34:48,399 --> 00:34:56,320 the unique physical uh characteristics of the property including its 437 00:34:53,119 --> 00:35:01,200 topography, site configuration, and planned public improvements. These 438 00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:07,200 variances are necessary to facilitate construction of the project as designed. 439 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:12,000 Importantly, the requested relief will not negatively impact neighboring 440 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:16,560 properties, public safety, or the character of the surrounding community. 441 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:22,880 Instead, the variances will enable a high quality development that advances 442 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:27,119 important public interest, supports citywide housing and economic 443 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:33,200 development goals, and fulfills the community's long-standing vision for the 444 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:37,119 former Patabco Elementary School site. For all of these reasons, I respectfully 445 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:43,119 urge the board to approve the requested zoning relief and variances for Patsco 446 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:48,160 Punk. This project represents years of planning, community input, and 447 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:53,200 collaboration. It is consistent with Cherry Hill's adopted vision, provides 448 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:57,920 meaningful benefits to residents, and creates a strong foundation for the 449 00:35:55,520 --> 00:36:05,480 community's continued growth and success. I thank you for your time. 450 00:36:01,119 --> 00:36:05,480 » Thank you. Any questions? 451 00:36:11,119 --> 00:36:17,300 May I May I be excused? 452 00:36:13,839 --> 00:36:17,300 » Sure. Sure. Sure. [laughter] 453 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:29,359 My turn. Yes, sir. Thank you. Good afternoon, members of the board. I'm 454 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:34,160 here as a resident of Cherry Hill. As a matter of fact, long-term resident. Uh 455 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:40,480 I've been here since uh was about six months old. That area out there is very 456 00:36:38,079 --> 00:36:46,960 uh I have a love and affection for it that uh exceeds everything all except 457 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:53,839 for being close to the bottom. That area sits on 360 acres out there. If the look 458 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:58,880 at the surround look at the graphs and the pictures that they have, there's an 459 00:36:55,599 --> 00:37:04,960 elementary school there 159. I attended that school uh on the Round View 460 00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:10,400 roadside. There are trees out there and the school as I understand it right now 461 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:13,119 carries the grades from two to six in the mornings. If you look at those 462 00:37:11,599 --> 00:37:18,400 pictures there, you see the greenery there. It's a lot of greenery there. 463 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:21,599 Like to keep it that way. Uh that school that they're talking about what is 163 I 464 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:26,160 believe it is. >> It's uh borders on Bridge, right? And if 465 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:32,560 you come around that curve, it's very tight because it's public housing there. 466 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:36,240 160 uh I mean 159. I don't know the student population there, but I can tell 467 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:43,599 you this. They have three or four crossing guards there at Bridge Road and 468 00:37:39,359 --> 00:37:46,480 uh Cherryland Road. Uh to put a unit they're talking about here is going to 469 00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:50,720 really create a big problem traffic-wise. You got buses coming in 470 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:56,000 there with children every morning. I mean, every day. And uh they've got to 471 00:37:53,599 --> 00:38:00,320 traverse back and forth. And you got property there. You got town houses on 472 00:37:57,839 --> 00:38:05,119 the other side. You got public homes to the right of where they're talking about 473 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:08,960 and directly across the street. As I'm as I recall, you put the height 474 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:12,960 variation there. You're going to have some shade there. You might some 475 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:17,119 sunlight might be blocked for those houses that are there. Those p those 476 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:20,560 folks in public housing deserve the same respect that everybody else has when 477 00:38:19,359 --> 00:38:26,000 they get up in the morning. They should see that sunlight. Uh the third thing I 478 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:30,000 want to talk about is the area around Round View Road. I don't know if you're 479 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:34,960 familiar with that area, but when I was a little boy down at Cherryland, 480 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:39,839 Cherryland goes south. Round view crosses it. Down on that 481 00:38:37,119 --> 00:38:44,800 corner, there's green grass there. The reason why that green grass is there is 482 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:48,320 because there's a natural spring there. My mother used to take me down there to 483 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:53,839 get water. You turn the faucet on, the water so cold, hurt your teeth. Well, 484 00:38:51,119 --> 00:38:59,200 that's all gone now because of the public house, because of the city yard 485 00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:03,599 that's there. They had homes there, but they closed them down because of the 486 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:08,000 pollution of the land. All I'm saying is if you put this there, you got strain on 487 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:12,640 the sewer line, strain on the water line, you got close to schools there. 488 00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:17,680 Uh, it's a lot to consider. Parking there is going to be very tight. 489 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:22,800 Going to be very tight. And not far from there, a few blocks just north of there, 490 00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:27,839 I believe you got churches up there. So, people have to have the ability to go do 491 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:33,520 the worship in every every uh weekend that they choose to do so. And park, I'm 492 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:38,480 not saying that the buildings that uh Mr. Milson just talked about there to 493 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:41,599 put uh buildings in there for the city, there's a shopping center up there, 494 00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:46,240 Cherry Hill shopping center. I understand it. the mayor's office. The 495 00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:50,160 mayor has an office there. And if you need work or that kind of employment, 496 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:54,800 you can always go there. I mean, I don't see anything I don't see any value in 497 00:39:52,400 --> 00:40:00,320 putting something there extra that people already have access to. I just 498 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:04,160 don't see the value of it. The value to me is the children. The children deserve 499 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:08,160 what you see there. They deserve to see those trees. As a matter of fact, some 500 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:12,720 of those students, the teachers take them out because they're wild animals 501 00:40:09,839 --> 00:40:15,920 that come up around that area. at night and they take them out and they show 502 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:20,160 them the different plants and things that are growing there. You put a 503 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:25,760 building there with 80 units there, you erase all that. 8 time 2 is 16. That's 504 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:29,760 160 people you want to impact in an area that's already tight because of the 505 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:35,839 public housing that's there. It's right across the street. Uh Carver Road, uh 506 00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:39,760 parts of Round View, as a matter of fact, the public homes that were there, 507 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:45,200 the government tore them down. That's all green now. is part of this whole 508 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:49,119 redevelopment uh area for Cherry Hill. They want to make sure it's just what it 509 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:54,160 is. And here you're talking about a setback. I think I was trying to make 510 00:40:51,359 --> 00:40:59,119 some notes here. The board has to look at the uniqueness of it. The community 511 00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:04,079 itself is unique. Why? Very simple. It's residential. It's not a building. It's 512 00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:08,640 not a construction of concrete buildings like you see down here. Every yard out 513 00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:14,560 there has a front and backyard. every house, front and backyard, including the 514 00:41:11,839 --> 00:41:18,880 uh public homes. And I'm just saying that that when you raise children, we 515 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:25,280 had about 12,000 residents out there, I believe. And uh we're trying to make 516 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:28,720 sure the community stays green. We don't want a whole lot of 517 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:34,880 construction there. And those children shouldn't have to be subject uh 518 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:38,480 subjected to that simply because uh uh they want to make sure that school 519 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:43,280 becomes something else. some residents. Well, we've got construction on the 520 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:48,160 other side of us over at Port Coington. They're moving in there very fast, but 521 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:53,359 that whole area, I asked them, had they ever seen had they uh looked at the land 522 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:56,800 across the bridge. Nobody said anything. Then they had a meeting at the 523 00:41:54,960 --> 00:42:02,480 commercial at the Cherry Hill Community Center. I went to that meeting. Son 524 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:06,000 begged me not to go because uh well, in my old line of work, I got a lot of 525 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:11,280 enemies. But anyway, uh I went and I saw the same man that 526 00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:15,839 was there for poor coveting and I said, "You told me that uh you didn't look at 527 00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:20,000 the land across the water." You know what he said to me? His response was a 528 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:23,040 very simple one and very direct one. He said, "All we're doing is waiting for 529 00:42:21,359 --> 00:42:28,640 the mayor to say the public homes can go. They're going to put affordable 530 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:33,520 housing there." Well, I don't know how you can do it with one check a month. 531 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:38,640 And I think these people that live there deserve to have a community that they 532 00:42:35,839 --> 00:42:43,920 got faith and rely in. And those of us who live there expect to continue doing 533 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:47,520 so as homeowners. But at the same time, I want those children to have what you 534 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:50,560 see there. They should have the ability to see green. If you're going to do 535 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:56,240 something, put something there that's uniform. You're asking for a height 536 00:42:52,880 --> 00:43:01,040 restriction, a height variance. Most of those, that's R six if I'm not mistaken. 537 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:06,560 There's town homes, which means there's a front yard, there's a backyard. You 538 00:43:04,079 --> 00:43:11,599 didn't hear them mention any yard here. All they care, all they concerned about 539 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:16,400 is the level of money that you can get, the impactness in the neighborhood. I 540 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:21,359 don't think that's right. And that's why I'm standing here in defense of not 541 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:24,560 allowing because if you want to put something there, I don't see why you 542 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:27,920 can't put town houses there. If you want to put something, there's nothing 543 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:32,560 stopping you from doing it because it's already zone R six. 544 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:36,880 And the other thing is a strain that'll put on the community. We don't want to 545 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:42,079 you develop an area like that. We're near the water. 546 00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:46,240 We want to make sure that uh uh we have access to things. And I think the city 547 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:51,839 is as a matter of fact has closed it yard. They closed the yard down because 548 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:56,319 of the pollution. You bring more people in here, you got to make changes. You 549 00:43:54,319 --> 00:44:02,160 got to have water. You got to have sewer. You got to have trash pickup. You 550 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:07,680 got to have parking. You got to have a lot of things that impact that area. And 551 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:11,040 it really impacts the area where the children are. There a lot of children 552 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:16,640 where they're talking about every day. Not just one day a week, two days a 553 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:20,560 week. Every day there children there. They go to school there. And I think 554 00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:25,200 they should deserve. They deserve what they're getting. The ability to see 555 00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:31,280 ecological things there, environmental things there, water, clean water, clean 556 00:44:28,319 --> 00:44:36,000 air, sunlight, things that a lot of people take for granted. I think they 557 00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:38,880 should be able to see every day. And I'm not going to hold you any longer 558 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:45,599 because I got to pick my granddaughter up from school. But I will say this, I 559 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:49,920 love that community. I'm 81 years old. Like I said, I've been there since I was 560 00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:56,880 6 months old. and expect to continue doing so. Uh, it's got places for me to 561 00:44:53,040 --> 00:45:02,400 walk. The mayor put a $25 million fitness center down there. I go down 562 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:07,920 indoor track, outdoor track. Go in there, sign in, walk. I can walk to it 563 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:14,480 from my house. And so can the other residents. They even have 564 00:45:10,319 --> 00:45:20,880 uh what do they call it? Uh, robotics uh for seniors. Water water aerobics for 565 00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:25,760 seniors. That's important. And what I'm hearing here are business items. I'm not 566 00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:29,680 hearing residential. They going to put a trail down there so you can ride your 567 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:33,280 bike through there. You can walk through there. The 568 00:45:31,839 --> 00:45:37,440 government hasn't even put any more public homes there. Veronica Avenue 569 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:41,760 vacant. Cherry Hill Road, uh, on the other side 570 00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:46,960 of where they're talking about, you got public homes there. But if you go down a 571 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:51,359 little further, it's all pretty much residential. There's open land there and 572 00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:57,040 at night you can see the deer come up in there, raccoons and a lot of other wild 573 00:45:54,720 --> 00:46:02,880 animals come up in there. I think the children deserve that. Not a big 574 00:45:59,839 --> 00:46:09,359 concrete building right next to the school. It's within walking distance. 575 00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:13,599 And I think that a lot of people here that couldn't be here today echo my same 576 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:20,000 concerns. And uh like I always say, I think you 577 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:25,040 should speak up when there's something uh that's important to you in life. This 578 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:29,839 is important to me and I expect for the generations behind me to live there as 579 00:46:27,359 --> 00:46:33,280 well as I did and I thank you for your time. 580 00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:37,280 » Thank you. Um before we proceed, I do want to apologize Mr. Hoffber. Um I did 581 00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:41,520 not know that uh this gentleman was speaking in opposition. I didn't give 582 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:43,920 you an opportunity to uh you know uh to yield before I allow yield as 583 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:47,680 opposition. >> Um but and I I will make sure you have 584 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:52,440 your time on the back end. Uh is there anyone else here today who would like to 585 00:46:49,119 --> 00:46:52,440 speak in opposition? 586 00:46:54,480 --> 00:47:00,400 » Okay, Mr. Hoff um Mr. Hoffberger. >> Sure. Thanks. 587 00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:05,040 » I have a couple questions. >> Um has this project undergone site plan 588 00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:09,040 review committee? >> Yes. Yes, it has. DPW been a part of the 589 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:14,160 site plan review committee? >> I was not I I was a part of 590 00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:19,440 » Have they uh >> addressed Have they raised any concerns 591 00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:22,880 about uh utilities or or or uh >> this property will we will have 592 00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:26,160 utilities new utilities brought back on brought onto the site. Okay. 593 00:47:24,319 --> 00:47:29,119 » Um there will be additional trees planted so that it will be 594 00:47:27,839 --> 00:47:34,160 environmentally friendly and sustainable. um there isn't any impact 595 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:38,880 that was noted with respect to impacting the school children or anything because 596 00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:42,560 initially this site accommodated two schools and there weren't traffic 597 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:46,880 concerns. Um we're bringing half the amount of people in this area than used 598 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:51,599 to attend those schools. So um there isn't going to be any impact. What we're 599 00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:56,400 doing is taking a blighted property that actually adversely affects property 600 00:47:54,160 --> 00:48:02,800 values in the community and a community that has been historically disinvested 601 00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:10,640 for over 20 decades or I not 20 decades, 20 years. Um, this is a community 602 00:48:06,319 --> 00:48:15,359 inspired project. Back in 2019, the Cherry Hill Development Corporation 603 00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:20,960 initiated a planning process because of fears, real fears about displacement of 604 00:48:19,119 --> 00:48:25,040 their community because they saw the pressures that were happening around 605 00:48:22,319 --> 00:48:28,800 them, the Port Coington project, the project that was going forward in 606 00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:34,000 Westport, and the community had real fears that uhoh, we're next. And I just 607 00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:37,680 firmly believe and I think there's another other members of the community 608 00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:42,240 would say when is it Cherry Hills turn to benefit from all the economic 609 00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:47,760 investment occurring around them where the community has a real voice. This 610 00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:52,720 project was originated and inspired through a master planning process. It 611 00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:58,480 was the community to identify the site. There was over 350 participants over a 612 00:48:55,760 --> 00:49:03,119 six-month process that participated and addressed real social economic concerns 613 00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:06,559 within the Cherry Hill community. One of the things that were raised, he said, 614 00:49:04,559 --> 00:49:14,480 the shopping center. This community has been devoid of a um grocery store for 615 00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:17,440 over two two decades. And one of the things that we learned when we went 616 00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:22,960 through that master planning process was that the economics of the community was 617 00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:29,359 a hindrance because there's a an overabundance of um individuals who live 618 00:49:25,839 --> 00:49:33,760 below the poverty um level that a qualified ger would not deem this 619 00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:38,720 community worthy that you needed to increase the population. Also the 620 00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:43,760 traffic counts was also a concern. Would you be able to get enough traffic to 621 00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:48,799 accommodate a qualified ger? What we're attempting to do with this project is is 622 00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:52,240 to integrate into this community [clears throat] 623 00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:57,200 new housing choice. There has not been any new multifamily development, new 624 00:49:55,440 --> 00:50:03,280 construction in this community in over 20 years. That is does not speak to 625 00:50:01,119 --> 00:50:07,680 neighborhood stability. There is an overabundance of blighted property in 626 00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:13,280 this community which has an adverse effect on property values. 627 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:19,119 Um the poverty rate as I stated is over 40%. The unemployment rate in this 628 00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:24,240 community is over 7%. What this project is attempting to do is to address on a 629 00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:29,200 sizable scale to accommodate those issues. Providing quality housing so 630 00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:32,880 that folks are not housing cost burden. Yes, there's an over abundance of public 631 00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:36,880 housing in this community. I believe there's over 1,200 active units. And if 632 00:50:35,359 --> 00:50:41,359 you poll the residents that live in public housing, they would say they're 633 00:50:38,319 --> 00:50:46,559 paying astronomical amounts of um money towards the utilities because they're 634 00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:52,960 old and aging buildings. This building will be energy efficient where resident 635 00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:58,319 utility costs will go down, not up. Also, we're being very intentional and 636 00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:03,599 making sure that as this project is being built, it is a com uh a benefit to 637 00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:07,680 the community. Most developers do not think about how do we create a workforce 638 00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:13,040 strategy that will employ Cherry Hill residents. I can guarantee you most 639 00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:17,839 wouldn't consider it. It'll be the quickest way in and the quickest way out 640 00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:22,319 to generate profit. That has not been my motivation. When the community felt they 641 00:51:20,319 --> 00:51:26,960 were going to lose the community asset, they asked me, "How can you incorporate 642 00:51:24,559 --> 00:51:30,880 it in the Patical School building and the redevelopment?" And we were we 643 00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:34,960 actually programmed space for the South Baltimore Adult High School to address 644 00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:40,000 um the high school attainment issue in Cherry Hill. They have since found a 645 00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:45,040 permanent home. Instead of just building more units, what I did was look for 646 00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:49,760 another way of addressing a critical community need and unemployment, 647 00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:53,040 creating real opportunity. None of us can control what's happening at the 648 00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:57,359 federal level at this point outside of voting in November, but that's a another 649 00:51:55,040 --> 00:52:02,640 topic for another day. [laughter] But what we can do to address the fact 650 00:51:59,839 --> 00:52:06,559 that many individuals in this community don't have the resources or the luxuries 651 00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:12,400 um that other more affluent neighborhoods benefit from is let's 652 00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:17,440 create income pathways where they can actually thrive and not just survive. So 653 00:52:15,599 --> 00:52:23,920 providing an opportunity for folks to get workforce development training in 654 00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:29,119 HVAC, in um plumbing, two critical um construction trades that there's a 655 00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:32,880 current deficit right now. These um getting being certified the 656 00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:37,040 organization that I've partnered with will have certification where you will 657 00:52:34,559 --> 00:52:41,359 be certified in Maryland, Virginia, and DC. 658 00:52:38,559 --> 00:52:45,280 We're now talking about not just helping someone get a job, but giving them a 659 00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:50,480 career pathway to be a licensed plumber or a licensed 660 00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:56,319 HVAC um installer. We're talking about now people's income going into six 661 00:52:52,800 --> 00:53:00,880 figures. That's building real community wealth that is changing the trajectory 662 00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:04,720 of the community and changing it from within. So, we're not talking about 663 00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:08,160 gentrifying a community where you're just bringing outside folks and the 664 00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:12,160 people who live there. Oh well, we'll see what happens. Let's uplift the 665 00:53:10,079 --> 00:53:16,240 community from within. And so that is the change that we're 666 00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:21,599 attempting to make with the Papsco Point development. And again, I said that this 667 00:53:18,559 --> 00:53:26,000 was a community inspired. It was not thrust upon a community. It was through 668 00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:32,400 an intense six-month process where we evaluated where was there available land 669 00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:36,160 to introduce something new that while the community is a partner in this 670 00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:40,000 project as well because the Cherry Hill Development Corporation is a co-partner 671 00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:45,119 co-developer in this project so they have an ownership state I'm a minority 672 00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:50,960 certified um Baltimore city business owner as well this is really taking and 673 00:53:48,079 --> 00:53:54,480 uplifting all of the master plans in the city that has adopted about creat 674 00:53:52,559 --> 00:54:00,640 creating real economic development and opportunities for um merging businesses 675 00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:05,359 as well as community organizations. I would say that you know the Cherry Hill 676 00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:09,359 Elementary School is a 21st century school and that master plan clearly 677 00:54:07,599 --> 00:54:14,559 stated that one of the objectives of that plan was to spur other economic 678 00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:20,960 growth and then and one of those things was new housing. 679 00:54:18,079 --> 00:54:26,480 I just know that when I grew up, I was able to imagine and dream because I 680 00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:30,880 lived in stabled housing. I was not wealthy. My parents were not wealthy, 681 00:54:28,319 --> 00:54:35,920 but I didn't have to worry about coming home and the lights would work or would 682 00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:41,520 the plumbing work or would it be cold in the uh in the home? Because my immediate 683 00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:46,880 needs, most basic needs were met, I was able to imagine see myself going to 684 00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:51,280 college. I agree with this gentleman. Children do have a right. They have a 685 00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:56,000 right to imagine, to set goals and priorities, and live in better. Right 686 00:54:54,480 --> 00:55:00,640 now, this community doesn't have it better. Right now, this community has 687 00:54:58,240 --> 00:55:04,640 been just surviving. But there are advocates in this community who has 688 00:55:02,559 --> 00:55:08,240 fought long and hard way before I got to Cherry Hill. Mr. Middleton has been 689 00:55:06,319 --> 00:55:12,800 there and in the in the trenches way before I I I came into Cherry Hill 690 00:55:10,319 --> 00:55:17,359 community and have worked tirelessly. There have been others who have been 691 00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:22,559 shephering this effort forward for decades. And there is now time that the 692 00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:26,720 community will show that it all the aspirations that these plans state they 693 00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:32,559 can do actually can happen with the community at the hymn. 694 00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:34,240 » I'll yield if you have anything else to say. 695 00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:37,599 » Great response. >> I'd like to say something in rebuttal. 696 00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:40,720 » Sorry to say there's no rebuttal. >> No rebuttal. 697 00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:43,680 » Yes. So, um, before you before you guys continue, I have a a couple clarifying 698 00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:48,000 questions, >> uh, regarding height. 699 00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:52,720 » Um, because this the height of this building will be 45 ft. Um, is a 700 00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:56,160 conditional use required? >> No. So, I think I misspoke or maybe my 701 00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:59,520 notes were out of date. So, I because I was thinking about the old version of 702 00:55:58,079 --> 00:56:03,839 the older version of zoning code which had up to 45 ft with conditional use 703 00:56:02,079 --> 00:56:08,480 approval. That's no longer the case. It's 45 by right given given the width 704 00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:11,520 of the street. Okay, >> they are going to 62 based 705 00:56:10,668 --> 00:56:16,559 [clears throat] on the measurement methodology. So they the elevation 706 00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:20,960 showed basically from like the ground looking up it'd be 45 ft but from the 707 00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:26,880 way the zoning code measures height it's from the mean curb line. So the curb 708 00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:30,960 » to the top that's 62 ft. So that's what requires the variance but 709 00:56:28,799 --> 00:56:35,680 » Mr. top explained like the rationale which planning supports and staff would 710 00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:38,480 agree would make sense as a uh rationale for why 711 00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:40,000 » and the residential portion is about is about right correct 712 00:56:39,599 --> 00:56:45,280 » I'm sorry >> the res don't need a correct so in fact 713 00:56:42,799 --> 00:56:48,799 the question I think might you can ask to listenit is the traffic impact from 714 00:56:47,119 --> 00:56:52,720 the proposed conditional use which is the educational facility vocational 715 00:56:51,119 --> 00:56:59,680 » yes that's where I'm going to get next next so I want to learn more about uh 716 00:56:56,720 --> 00:57:04,160 the educational facility uh conditional use. Uh 717 00:57:02,079 --> 00:57:10,480 namely uh just want to make sure that this will be will you know fit under 718 00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:14,000 article 32 section 1 305 uh the two require the two sort of requirements. 719 00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:16,160 Can you tell me more uh namely will there be tuition charged to the 720 00:57:15,839 --> 00:57:20,799 students? >> Um there I I don't have all the details 721 00:57:18,559 --> 00:57:22,319 but I believe yes. Okay. Um participants will have to pay to get their 722 00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:27,520 certification >> and what subjects will there be? 723 00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:31,359 » I'm sorry. Do you do you have clarity on what subjects there may be? 724 00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:35,920 » So, it will be certifications to obtain licenses in plumbing and in HVAC. I am 725 00:57:34,319 --> 00:57:37,839 not an expert in those areas. So, I feel like I just want to make sure [laughter] 726 00:57:37,359 --> 00:57:40,559 that >> make sure it's a vocational school. So, 727 00:57:39,599 --> 00:57:44,400 that's fine. Yes. >> Um, do you know how many students or 728 00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:48,079 maximum amount of students? >> We're not we're we're not looking to 729 00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:51,040 exceed between 15 to 20 students um per session. 730 00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:54,160 » Okay. Per per se per uh session >> session. It takes four years to obtain 731 00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:57,839 your certification. Up to four years to obtain your certification. And how many 732 00:57:56,079 --> 00:58:02,400 staff for those students? >> I don't have that specifics just yet. 733 00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:06,400 » Okay. The zoning code imposes uh parking 734 00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:14,240 maximums um for uh for vocational facilities. Uh 735 00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:17,599 I think it's one per 25 students uh and one per 20 one per 20 staff. And so I 736 00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:20,880 just really want to nail nail down on that to make sure that we weren't 737 00:58:19,119 --> 00:58:25,200 exceeding them. But it seems with 90 with uh 20 students well how about this? 738 00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:28,319 Will there be any parking spots set aside for students uh as opposed to 739 00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,720 residents? >> None reserved. 740 00:58:29,119 --> 00:58:34,559 » No, we're not having any reserved. Okay. >> And the and the 90 to be clear is is 741 00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:38,240 within the maximum for the for the residential so it can transfer over to 742 00:58:37,119 --> 00:58:43,920 the extent necessary. >> Okay. 743 00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:47,200 » Um there is a >> and again I would say the goal of this 744 00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:51,280 program is to target Cherry Hill residents so we don't anticipate any 745 00:58:49,359 --> 00:58:54,559 additional traffic concerns. We'll certainly open it up because we can't 746 00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:59,839 discriminate, but um we really are going to um push Cherry Hill residents to 747 00:58:57,119 --> 00:59:05,920 benefit from this resource. >> Uh you have a LOI with Affinity 748 00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:11,599 » uh to operate the educational facility. Is that contingent upon any uh sort of 749 00:59:09,359 --> 00:59:15,040 entitlements or anything else financing? >> It's that we finish the project 750 00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:18,200 certainly because they'll be moving into the building. 751 00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:21,480 » Okay. 752 00:59:23,599 --> 00:59:28,520 Any other questions for the applicants? 753 00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:39,960 » As far as your >> microphone, 754 00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:45,240 I got a big voice. 755 00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:56,240 » The intent with affinity. How strongly do you believe you can uh attest to it 756 00:59:54,799 --> 01:00:00,559 actually happening? >> Well, they have other facilities and 757 00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:04,720 other areas of um the state of Maryland and they're looking to expand into 758 01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:08,480 Baltimore and so I actually um came across them before they actually started 759 01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:13,440 their headway into Baltimore and got a commitment to them to come into the 760 01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:16,799 point um project. So I have a very strong indication that that will come to 761 01:00:15,119 --> 01:00:20,160 fruition. Do you have any type of time frame when 762 01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:23,440 you think this thing could get wrapped up? 763 01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:27,760 » So, the project has to go through uh um project financing. And so, um I 764 01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:31,680 anticipate that we'll be submitting our low-income housing tax credit 765 01:00:29,119 --> 01:00:36,480 application by the fall of this year to get through CDA's process. Usually takes 766 01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:40,400 12 to 16 months and then you'll get to a financial closing um which will allow 767 01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:45,119 the start of construction. construction is for this particular site and all of 768 01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:49,520 its challenges and moving dirt will take approximately 16 months. So now we're in 769 01:00:47,839 --> 01:00:53,440 2028. Um uh and so we would think after that 770 01:00:51,839 --> 01:00:56,440 the building will be um placed in service. 771 01:00:56,480 --> 01:01:03,599 » Okay. My only question is if you have intentions on having affinity 772 01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:07,440 be a major part of this >> Mhm. 773 01:01:04,319 --> 01:01:11,359 » then you can't get any type of u settlement early 774 01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:15,920 in this process. There are a lot of things that you're going to have to put 775 01:01:12,319 --> 01:01:22,640 in place to make either them or whoever the next committed operator would be to 776 01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:29,680 to stand by. So we here may have to be able to give you conditions that either 777 01:01:26,079 --> 01:01:32,799 affinity may not want to meet or the new director may 778 01:01:31,119 --> 01:01:35,520 » have to meet. You understand what I'm saying? 779 01:01:33,839 --> 01:01:39,319 » And that that's the only problem with a situation of this type. 780 01:01:39,599 --> 01:01:46,559 » I think well I guess it's the board the board can place conditions as you deem 781 01:01:43,839 --> 01:01:50,960 appropriate on the the proposed conditional use approval. Um I think as 782 01:01:49,359 --> 01:01:55,599 um the applicant is stating yet they don't have an official lease um with 783 01:01:52,880 --> 01:02:01,839 them and as you know the approval would run with the land. So in a worst case 784 01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:06,480 scenario, a if affinity doesn't proceed, there could be some other operator who 785 01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:10,000 could do conditional use or the commercial vocational school. And maybe 786 01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:15,280 there's no problem with that, but that'd be something to consider like if it's if 787 01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:18,720 there's a bad actor commercial vocational school out there that you 788 01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:23,520 wanted to think about or avoid or have some outside conditions on no operations 789 01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:26,720 after 10 p.m. or something, but then the residents would be upstairs who would be 790 01:02:25,119 --> 01:02:30,559 impacted first. So they would be the ones as a landlord would be worried 791 01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:35,119 about making sure that it's not going to be disturbing to the residents who live 792 01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:38,880 upstairs. So maybe there's a natural check there. But that would be something 793 01:02:36,799 --> 01:02:44,559 » that does get me. Um don't want to mess that red contract up, right? So not too 794 01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:49,200 much riff raff. But um uh can you can you I'm going to uh I think I heard 795 01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:51,359 earlier Mr. Mr. Hoffber that the hours operation for the facility will be in 796 01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:54,559 the evening. >> That that's the intent right now. We 797 01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:58,319 were just kind of confirming that that at this point recognizing the reality of 798 01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:04,160 the situation. We'd be hesitant to um 799 01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:10,240 to firmly say that 5:30 to 8:30 is the exact time of operation. What we can say 800 01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:18,160 for sure is that the space um is kind of designed for the number of people. Um 801 01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:22,480 the 15 to 20 students is uh in terms of realistic operational 802 01:03:20,559 --> 01:03:28,640 uh capacity, that's that's where we are. and and it might be that uh in two years 803 01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:32,799 affinity says well we'd like to open at 4:30 or something like that. Now the 804 01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:35,760 design of the program which would have people in the field most of the time 805 01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:39,039 would make it such that yeah I mean it's not a nineto-five traditional type of 806 01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:43,039 school. These are people who are here to get their licenses in a certain type of 807 01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:47,520 trade field work is important. So, so the actual onampus 808 01:03:45,359 --> 01:03:51,119 activity will both be small in quantity because of the number of students and 809 01:03:48,799 --> 01:03:56,079 small in in operational hours because because most of their time needs to be 810 01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:58,880 out in the field. Um but but it I did say the hours I do think that 811 01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:03,359 realistically, you know, if you're if you're considering conditions, we would 812 01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:07,039 be hesitant to stand so firmly on those hours. 813 01:04:04,319 --> 01:04:10,319 So, so the reason I asked and um and I want to get on the record is because you 814 01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:13,440 know one of the things that we have to account for is traffic, intensity of 815 01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:17,839 traffic. >> And so if you're saying that the the 816 01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:21,520 vocational school will be operating in the evening when presumably the primary 817 01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:24,799 school will not be >> open then that would mitigate any sort 818 01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:28,319 of like traffic >> um intensity problems that we could have 819 01:04:26,559 --> 01:04:32,720 » right and that is the that is the intent right now. Oh, and also just in terms of 820 01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:38,000 the scale, I mean, you're talking about in total this this uh Papsco Point will 821 01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:42,240 have 120 residential units and we're talking about 15 students, 15 and 20 822 01:04:40,319 --> 01:04:45,039 students, some of whom will be walking from other points of Cherry Hill. So, 823 01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:49,280 » how many residential units? >> Well, there's 80 in this phase and then 824 01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:52,799 the second phase would have 40. So, that >> So, um so we do think 825 01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:56,480 » I'm not going to talk about seven. We we on this phase 80 80 [laughter] units, 826 01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:59,680 right? 80 units. Okay. >> Um 827 01:04:57,839 --> 01:05:03,680 » at scale, we do hope that the board can recognize 828 01:05:01,359 --> 01:05:08,240 that it is a small impact of traffic. >> And I will also add that um most of the 829 01:05:06,319 --> 01:05:12,880 pickup and drop off for the Cherry Hill Elementary um middle school is on the 830 01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:14,799 other side. It doesn't affect Round View Road at all. 831 01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:20,960 » Okay. >> And and there has been a a a vocational 832 01:05:19,119 --> 01:05:24,160 or adult education school on this premise. Yes. 833 01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:29,280 » Uh actively in the old Papskco Elementary School. So that that those 834 01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:31,680 those two educational facilities have operated in tandem without significant 835 01:05:31,359 --> 01:05:40,000 traffic. >> You know how how long ago? 836 01:05:33,839 --> 01:05:47,039 » Uh uh I believe they occupied in 2020. It was during co um when they started 837 01:05:42,799 --> 01:05:50,799 and they exited in 2023 because uh I believe the heating system just 838 01:05:48,559 --> 01:05:54,640 completely died and it was no longer uh attainable for them to continue to 839 01:05:52,079 --> 01:06:00,240 operate in that space. And it was the adult high school as well as they also 840 01:05:56,880 --> 01:06:04,480 had several um nonprofit organizations that support different um efforts in 841 01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:08,520 Sherry Hill also sharing that space. >> Okay. Um 842 01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:16,400 get Oh, Moabed. Uh I I understand that Moab may occupy certain portion Yes. of 843 01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:20,960 the space also. This was conversations that I've had with Senator Ferguson's 844 01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:24,000 office um about how do we um when we we're going to utilize the adult high 845 01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:30,160 school of how to create in a nice continuum of um education. Um uh they 846 01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:34,960 have a current South Baltimore location that's grossly underutilized and they 847 01:06:33,039 --> 01:06:39,680 thought this location could be an ideal location to um increase those numbers as 848 01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:43,280 well as help support the project. And so, um, although the adult high school 849 01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:47,599 has now found a permanent home somewhere else, um, I was being intentional of 850 01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:51,039 trying to find something, um, to put in it space that again addressed the social 851 01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:55,359 economic determin. And I feel like this is actually a better, um, actually fit 852 01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:59,760 because now you have people who are getting certifications and are now ready 853 01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:02,880 for placement to be placed in jobs. >> In terms of scope, that would include 854 01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:05,680 one or two staff members from the mayor's office. Absolutely. And how far 855 01:07:04,319 --> 01:07:08,000 along had those discussions? Is there any LOI or any binding agreement 856 01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:11,119 between? >> Not not at this moment. now. 857 01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:15,280 » Okay. Um, >> just on that point because the staff 858 01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:18,960 were talking about that issue and we interpret it as what the applicants did 859 01:07:17,359 --> 01:07:22,960 with one or two staff because if it were a full-blown office, it would be a 860 01:07:20,799 --> 01:07:25,200 separate use that would require approval. It' be a government facility, 861 01:07:24,799 --> 01:07:28,079 right, >> or office. 862 01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:32,160 » So, that would be a separate use if it becomes its own thing. But if it's just 863 01:07:29,839 --> 01:07:35,359 having space within the vocational school to have desks, that would be 864 01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:38,400 still >> the vocational school. 865 01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:43,599 » Yeah. fit into these standards for accessories. 866 01:07:40,319 --> 01:07:49,359 » Okay, so we got two variances before us. Uh 867 01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:52,960 how will uh the proposed building's height compared to the existing 868 01:07:50,799 --> 01:07:56,559 building? >> Um 869 01:07:54,799 --> 01:07:58,480 I believe it would be a couple feet taller. 870 01:07:57,119 --> 01:08:01,440 » Yeah, >> less than five feet. 871 01:08:00,319 --> 01:08:04,079 » Uh >> we don't have exact measurements of the 872 01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:09,039 of the existing building. >> Okay. But I do remember early on when we 873 01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:13,039 um was doing that analysis, we were also looking at that because we wanted to 874 01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:16,560 think about impacts um far as a community because I've been doing this a 875 01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:20,400 long time and I know light becomes a challenge, but it's not it is slightly 876 01:08:18,480 --> 01:08:22,880 taller but it's not terribly taller than the existing structure at this highest 877 01:08:22,159 --> 01:08:28,120 point. >> Okay. 878 01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:28,120 Uh 879 01:08:29,759 --> 01:08:34,560 DOT asks you guys to dedicate a portion of your property. Uh is that an easement 880 01:08:33,839 --> 01:08:39,279 or >> to be clear they have not they have not 881 01:08:36,799 --> 01:08:43,600 yet asked in our experience and in Kimley Horn the the civil engineers 882 01:08:41,359 --> 01:08:45,359 experience they will ask >> okay 883 01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:48,799 » that that is an expectation >> and I have already given agreement to 884 01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:52,239 Kimley Horn that if that is asked that I'm perfectly fine in 885 01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:55,600 » so you guys have a verbal nothing binding 886 01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:59,520 » it hasn't gone through DOT review yet it's it's something that was anticipated 887 01:08:57,359 --> 01:09:04,400 during the site plan um um approval process that that would be a request 888 01:09:02,480 --> 01:09:07,120 And so it was um I had already we already talked about it and I said it 889 01:09:05,839 --> 01:09:11,159 it's reasonable. It's not something that I haven't seen in development before. 890 01:09:11,759 --> 01:09:15,880 » Any other questions of the applicant? 891 01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:24,520 » Are we ready to discuss? Um 892 01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:31,120 I'd like to propose that we adopt the findings in the plan in the planning 893 01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:36,400 department's memo. Um, I guess beginning with the conditional use, um, you know, 894 01:09:34,159 --> 01:09:43,839 after hearing testimony and reviewing their application, um, you know, I do 895 01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:49,120 not believe that operating a, uh, educational facility, uh, of this 896 01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:53,759 magnitude, this location will lead to any adverse consequences that would go 897 01:09:51,199 --> 01:09:58,480 above and beyond what we would expect of a uh, vocational school anywhere else 898 01:09:56,640 --> 01:10:04,360 uh, within the zoning district. And so for that reason, I am a yes for that 899 01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:04,360 conditional use. 900 01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:16,159 » Can I open it back up to a question? >> Sure. Sure. 901 01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:22,800 » Only because of my lack of knowledge am I asking this question. Could you in 902 01:10:19,199 --> 01:10:28,239 simplistic terms explain to me what the Enough Act 903 01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:32,719 actually entails? So the enough act was um a initiative by Governor Moore to 904 01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:37,199 address childhood poverty and he was targeting specifically communities of 905 01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:43,440 color that has been historically um disinvested or um are still dealing with 906 01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:48,640 past discriminatory housing policies. And so it's a statewide initiative. Um 907 01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:52,000 Cherry Hill was adopted as an enough community. And so there was an 908 01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:59,840 investment by Maryland Department of Housing um of $3 million that was 909 01:10:55,840 --> 01:11:03,360 provided to the Cherry Hill um strong um organization which is the community 910 01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:08,880 quarterback under the purpose bill model. Um and they from there they um 911 01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:12,320 spread out those funds among various stakeholders doing things that address 912 01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:16,000 childhood poverty. So it could have been workforce development training, it could 913 01:11:14,159 --> 01:11:19,440 have been youth empowerment activities, it could have been helping to build 914 01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:22,239 capacities of organizations and other programs. 915 01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:26,960 » So the vehicles available that have already been put in place and are 916 01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:32,320 currently operative, I guess you would call it that can support your situation. 917 01:11:30,239 --> 01:11:37,360 » Absolutely. I think there that the state recognized that this community has has 918 01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:41,840 had a long history of disinvestment and so there is an an intentional target to 919 01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:46,560 try to bring resources to this community. I would say that Senator 920 01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:52,880 Ferguson was very instrumental in introducing the purpose bill model which 921 01:11:49,199 --> 01:11:57,920 was um a model out of uh Atlanta, Georgia. The organization actually took 922 01:11:54,960 --> 01:12:02,640 over um a I don't remember all the facts. Oh my gosh. But um I believe it 923 01:11:59,679 --> 01:12:10,880 was a very large um public housing or low-income community and they um operate 924 01:12:06,159 --> 01:12:16,480 under three um three pillars um cradle to college educational pipeline um 925 01:12:14,480 --> 01:12:20,800 workforce development strategies and overall community health. 926 01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:25,600 » I think I write your [laughter] ma'am have you I'm sorry I ma'am could 927 01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:30,760 you please stand and be sworn because I think you just spoke and that was on the 928 01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:30,760 record. Oh, I apologize. 929 01:12:31,199 --> 01:12:38,080 » My name is Tracy Garrett. T R A C E Y. Last name G A R R E. 930 01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:43,600 » Thank you. >> Um and so the whole purpose is to help 931 01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:49,120 to change the social economic um conditions of a um historically 932 01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:53,440 impoverished community to help um improve social economic determinance. So 933 01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:57,520 there's intentional um push by the community to help improve educational 934 01:12:55,520 --> 01:13:01,600 outcomes. So they have um various nonprofits that work with the schools to 935 01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:06,000 help um with school performance and address um matters that impede children 936 01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:11,920 from getting to school providing afterchool programs to help with um 937 01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:15,840 academic outcomes um and support. Uh there's certainly um indivi entities in 938 01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:20,159 Cherry Hill that helps with workforce development um outcomes, providing soft 939 01:13:18,239 --> 01:13:25,040 skills, providing job opportunities and training. This all of this is just to 940 01:13:22,239 --> 01:13:28,719 complement what's already going on on multiple fronts. Understanding that not 941 01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:32,719 everyone's going to have the desire to want to get a certification in the 942 01:13:30,239 --> 01:13:37,520 construction trade. There's um efforts I believe with Harbor Hospital to try to 943 01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:41,199 improve um health outcomes as well. And they're looking at um exploring 944 01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:45,600 opportunities um far as employment to help folks become licensed um in in the 945 01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:50,480 medical profession as well. So there's a multistrong approach um going on in this 946 01:13:48,719 --> 01:13:54,800 community. And so this is just to complement some of the work that's on 947 01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:59,120 that's happening and to um certainly spur additional physical economic 948 01:13:57,679 --> 01:14:02,480 development outside of just the investments of the two 21st century 949 01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:06,080 schools and the health and wellness center. 950 01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:09,080 » Thank you. Any other questions for the applicants? 951 01:14:10,480 --> 01:14:21,239 » Um I believe we were um voting on the conditional use. Um I am in favor of the 952 01:14:17,199 --> 01:14:21,239 conditional use. also 953 01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:25,800 in favor. 954 01:14:32,239 --> 01:14:38,320 » I agree. I'm in favor. >> I recuse. 955 01:14:36,159 --> 01:14:42,880 » I recuse. >> Oh, so moving to first the height 956 01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:47,920 variance. Um the applicant has stated that due to the topography uh and the 957 01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:56,560 slope of the of the building uh although the building is 40 ft 45 ft from uh 958 01:14:51,360 --> 01:15:03,679 ground to uh roof line uh from mean curb height uh to building 959 01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:07,840 height uh there's the need for a 17t I believe variance 960 01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:16,000 um I believe do believe that these are sort of that this is a issue that is 961 01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:19,920 caused caused by sort of not by any um behavioral actions by the advocates 962 01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:24,640 themselves but due to the physical conditions of the site itself. Um and so 963 01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:32,800 strict compliance with the code will require them uh to build uh a smaller 964 01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:37,440 building which will allow much less uh density on the site than as is by right 965 01:15:35,440 --> 01:15:43,120 which may sort of make the project not nonviable. And so uh 966 01:15:41,199 --> 01:15:50,840 adopting the findings of the planning department, I am a yes uh for the 967 01:15:46,239 --> 01:15:50,840 variance uh for height 968 01:15:56,719 --> 01:16:00,280 » also. Yes. 969 01:16:00,719 --> 01:16:03,719 » Yes. 970 01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:10,960 That's three. Do it. >> Yep. And then the last one was a 971 01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:15,159 setback. >> Set back. Um 972 01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:24,960 there's a variance of let me see how many feet nine 7 feet 973 01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:28,880 11T I believe >> in the required 20. 974 01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:36,480 » Yeah. So 9 foot variance is required. Uh there's only 11 foot setback here and 975 01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:41,920 that is uh caused by a uh a need to dedicate at least a portion of 976 01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:49,360 the land uh to the public rideway to allow a safe uh pedestrian uh 977 01:16:47,440 --> 01:16:51,920 environment. Uh that land will be dedicated to department of 978 01:16:50,159 --> 01:16:56,640 transportation. And so this is sort of an exceptional circumstance uh that is 979 01:16:54,400 --> 01:17:01,280 entirely caused uh by the code and not by the actions themselves. It is a 980 01:16:58,239 --> 01:17:06,960 desire of the applicant uh to ensure that the safety of pedestrians and those 981 01:17:03,199 --> 01:17:12,800 who uh both live in the community uh and who may be students there are able to 982 01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:18,400 access it safely and so adopting the findings in the planning department. I'm 983 01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:21,400 uh a yes to the uh front yard uh setbacks 984 01:17:26,159 --> 01:17:34,320 » also. Yes. To the front yard setback. >> I'm in agreement. Yes. 985 01:17:32,719 --> 01:17:37,320 » I think that's all three. Thank you guys for 986 01:17:42,480 --> 01:17:45,679 » So, I'm going to have to step away at 2:30. 987 01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:48,400 » Two more minutes. >> In 2:30. 988 01:17:46,480 --> 01:17:50,560 » Oh, yeah. Well, we can start. We should be able to get through the other one. 989 01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:54,880 » Yeah. Quickly. >> We'll take [clears throat] a brief 990 01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:57,600 pause, rush from Brit, and go off the record. 991 01:18:24,159 --> 01:18:28,360 Oh, the cherry. Yeah. 992 01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:32,679 » I don't think so. 993 01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:47,440 » Well, I've already uh blown blown the record unfortunately. 994 01:18:45,199 --> 01:18:51,080 » So, but I but I will get us uh I had that 2:30 call. 995 01:18:51,440 --> 01:18:55,000 » You ready to go? 996 01:18:56,560 --> 01:19:02,520 What are we thinking? Are we thinking >> short? 997 01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:19,994 » Yeah, we lost. >> Too bor. [laughter] 998 01:19:20,719 --> 01:19:29,000 » Wait a minute. I think one of those interns was knocking doors. Was he 999 01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:29,000 running for state committee? 1000 01:19:29,679 --> 01:19:35,005 » I thought they were part of your project and I was like, 1001 01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:37,025 » "No, you were like very interested." [laughter] 1002 01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:52,480 » Mr. Clark 1003 01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:22,239 That's fantastic. 1004 01:20:30,239 --> 01:20:35,679 That's why I was like, let's make it quick. So, 1005 01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:40,159 » you're ready. >> I know you got it in 1006 01:20:39,196 --> 01:20:45,480 [laughter] recovering from my illness. 1007 01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:45,480 » You're okay. there. 1008 01:20:48,365 --> 01:20:50,385 [laughter] 1009 01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:59,199 » Like this is my nap time. >> I know. I know. 1010 01:20:57,040 --> 01:21:00,880 » I knew too much. I was starting to feel better. 1011 01:20:59,920 --> 01:21:03,840 » Really? >> That's That's how they get you. 1012 01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:08,239 » It is how they get right. >> Yeah. I thought I was right. the day. 1013 01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:12,480 » I had like social thing on Saturday and then I deep cleaned my house on Sunday 1014 01:21:10,719 --> 01:21:15,480 and then I had a full day at work yesterday. 1015 01:21:16,480 --> 01:21:24,239 » Yesterday was really hard. I [laughter] had like a four o'clock meeting and it 1016 01:21:20,159 --> 01:21:26,880 was virtual and internal and they were editing a document in real time. 1017 01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:30,560 » Wow. >> And then discussing where in the 1018 01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:34,880 SharePoint it should be filed >> and I was whiteing it because I couldn't 1019 01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:38,840 leave. I was already at the office. So it wasn't like I could like 1020 01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:48,520 » last last day 1021 01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:52,520 still make a late lunch 1022 01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:55,560 time. 1023 01:21:56,960 --> 01:22:03,480 » So you said you're ready to start. >> Yes, sir. We can go back on the record. 1024 01:22:00,480 --> 01:22:03,480 Mhm. 1025 01:22:05,199 --> 01:22:12,480 back on the record. >> Now recalling case 2687 1026 01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:15,920 28 26 through 2840 Westwood Avenue. Um Rosenberg Martin is here to represent 1027 01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:22,880 the appellent NHP Foundation. First we will hear from planning and staff. 1028 01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:27,760 2826 Westwood Avenue is appeal number 260087. 1029 01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:32,400 Uh the proposal is for a conditional use for a community center as along with 1030 01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:36,239 some variances for a shed and a parking space. 1031 01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:40,880 Uh it's currently eight rowhouse style lots that the applicant proposes to 1032 01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:45,520 consolidate. Uh they're all unimproved. Uh the requested conditional use again 1033 01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:49,440 for a community center would serve uh as the clubhouse for a new development 1034 01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:53,520 which planning is in support of that conditional use for the reasons outlined 1035 01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:57,440 in the staff report. There are two variances being requested for a shed 1036 01:22:55,679 --> 01:23:03,760 that will be in the rear of the property. Um the zoning code under table 1037 01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:10,239 15601 allows a shed as a permitted encroachment if the shed is 120 square 1038 01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:13,920 ft or smaller. In this case it'll be 240 ft. Uh therefore it's not allowed as a 1039 01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:18,000 permitted encroachment and variances are required. 1040 01:23:15,440 --> 01:23:22,719 Uh it'll project to within 10 feet of the rear lot line where 25 feet is 1041 01:23:20,480 --> 01:23:28,400 required and it will also project to within 8.2 of the interior side lot line 1042 01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:31,840 where 10 ft is required. Uh we understand planning understands that 1043 01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:36,239 there are some trees on the site in the rear of the property uh that would need 1044 01:23:34,239 --> 01:23:41,920 to be eliminated to meet the setback variances. Um so because of that 1045 01:23:39,199 --> 01:23:46,320 condition planning is in support of the those two variances for the shed and the 1046 01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:52,400 conditional use. This is not addressed in the staff report but we had one more 1047 01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:56,800 variance request uh come in which is for as you can see on the site plan a single 1048 01:23:54,560 --> 01:24:02,320 ADA parking space that's forward of the building. uh that's needing a variance 1049 01:23:58,719 --> 01:24:07,440 under section section 1641 uh B1 which both prohibits parking in 1050 01:24:05,440 --> 01:24:11,840 the required front yard and prohibits parking forward of the front building 1051 01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:16,880 line. Uh generally planning is unsupportive of uh variances on outright 1052 01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:20,000 prohibitions but in this case again because of the wooded condition in the 1053 01:24:18,239 --> 01:24:25,199 rear and because this would just be a single ADA parking space we are no 1054 01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:29,520 objection on that variance. So, support of conditional use rear yard and 1055 01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:34,480 interior sideyard variances for the shed and no objection on the front parking 1056 01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:39,239 spot variances. Thank you. Uh, Mrs. Ree, could you please have your uh client 1057 01:24:35,679 --> 01:24:39,239 stand and be sworn? 1058 01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:50,080 » Do you swear or under the penalty of tell the truth, the whole truth, and 1059 01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:52,080 nothing but the truth in the testimony that you're about to give? 1060 01:24:51,199 --> 01:25:02,120 » I do. >> You spell and state your your last name. 1061 01:24:54,560 --> 01:25:02,120 » Gabbor Happy. G A B R I E L L E H A P I 1062 01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:08,719 » M Re Let's really focus on these variances today. 1063 01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:12,960 » We'll hit them all. We'll hit them all hopefully quickly. Um Drew Tilden, 1064 01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:16,960 Rosenberg, Martin Greenberg. Uh for the record, I'm here on behalf of the 1065 01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:22,880 applicant and I am joined today by Miss Gabrielle Hy who is a representative of 1066 01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:28,239 the applicant, the NHP Foundation. Um thank you Mr. Walker for a very thorough 1067 01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:31,840 presentation. Um you have outlined the variances specifically. So I'll just go 1068 01:25:30,480 --> 01:25:36,639 a little bit into the existing conditions of the site and then uh the 1069 01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:41,520 proposal. So this property is comprised of eight vacant lots. And then there's 1070 01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:47,920 also a paper alley and a portion of 1700 Gertrude. I've included um a tax plat. 1071 01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:52,400 Oh, it actually is not outlined on this tax plat. If you look to the north of 1072 01:25:50,639 --> 01:25:57,920 those row home lots, it's that paper alley above it. And then there's also 1073 01:25:54,400 --> 01:26:01,520 that tiny section of um the adjacent lot that is the Dukeland Town Homes lot 1074 01:25:59,679 --> 01:26:06,880 that's going to be subdivided and then all consolidated together. 1075 01:26:04,639 --> 01:26:11,199 Um so this is again it's located at the end of Westwood Avenue and it abuts the 1076 01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:14,960 existing Dukeland Towns public housing development. Um it's presently 1077 01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:18,639 unimproved and it's heavily wooded. Um, I think we can see that to some extent 1078 01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:24,080 in that photo, but I also have some aerial images that are um when the trees 1079 01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:28,800 are in bloom that gives you a little bit of a better sense in uh the materials I 1080 01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:33,440 passed out. Um, with the exception though of one area, there's a small 1081 01:26:30,719 --> 01:26:37,360 paved area in the rear of this property. Um, and that's important because that is 1082 01:26:35,199 --> 01:26:41,840 going to be where the shed is going. Uh so the applicant in terms of this 1083 01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:46,800 project is in partnership with HABC renovating the adjacent um Dupland 1084 01:26:44,639 --> 01:26:50,320 public housing development and then in addition to that they're revating 1085 01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:54,639 renovating the subject site and constructing a clubhouse. This clubhouse 1086 01:26:52,560 --> 01:27:00,159 is going to be exclusively for the use of Dukeland residents. It is going to be 1087 01:26:56,719 --> 01:27:05,360 um uh for all intents and purposes um a community um center for the Dupland 1088 01:27:03,199 --> 01:27:09,280 residents. Um, in addition to that, there's going to be a play area behind 1089 01:27:07,679 --> 01:27:14,080 the community center. I've included renderings of that in the file. Um, and 1090 01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:18,639 then there's going to be, as stated, a shed that is going to be 12 by 20 ft 1091 01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:23,600 that is going to be in the rear portion of the property where there's already um 1092 01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:27,600 a paved area. And then, uh, there's also going to be one parking space in front 1093 01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:32,719 of the building. And that one parking space is the handicap space. The site is 1094 01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:36,239 actually predominantly designed um to be walkable since it is going to be 1095 01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:40,800 exclusively for the adjacent Dukeland residents. Uh but the handicap space is 1096 01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:44,719 placed in a location um where it is going to allow those residents who can't 1097 01:27:42,480 --> 01:27:49,760 walk to the center uh to still um accessibly um take advantage of the 1098 01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:53,760 amenity. In terms of outreach, the applicant has shared its plans with 1099 01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:59,120 Councilman Torrance and they plan again along with HABC to keep an open line of 1100 01:27:56,320 --> 01:28:03,920 communication with the community. Uh I have on page three outlined uh the 1101 01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:09,040 specific relief requested. Uh there's the front yard setback which is.7 feet 1102 01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:14,880 instead of the 20 ft required. We have 10 ft provided for the rear yard instead 1103 01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:19,920 of 25. Uh 8.2 ft for the interior side instead of 10. And then again that 1104 01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:24,880 variance uh to permit the um off- streetet parking in front of the 1105 01:28:21,440 --> 01:28:29,679 building line. Uh I have outlined all of the conditional use uh considerations 1106 01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:34,560 that you all are required to consider as you find appropriate thoroughly in the 1107 01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:39,360 memorandum that I submitted. Um but in the interest of time I'm going to move 1108 01:28:36,239 --> 01:28:42,560 toward um the required findings. Um, so first of all, there's no facts or 1109 01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:46,320 circumstances that would indicate that the establishment, location, 1110 01:28:44,239 --> 01:28:50,000 construction, maintenance, uh, or operation of this clubhouse, uh, the 1111 01:28:48,480 --> 01:28:54,159 community center is going to be detrimental to or endanger the public 1112 01:28:52,159 --> 01:28:57,679 health, safety, security, general welfare, or morals, um, much less 1113 01:28:56,320 --> 01:29:01,520 anything that would indicate that this use is going to have a negative impact 1114 01:28:59,440 --> 01:29:06,159 above and beyond what is inherent to a community center at um, any other 1115 01:29:03,679 --> 01:29:10,560 location in the R six zoning district. It's not procluded by any law and there 1116 01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:14,800 are no facts or circumstances that would indicate that the proposed center would 1117 01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:18,800 be contrary to community interest and certainly it will not be um contrary in 1118 01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:23,679 any way that's above and beyond what's inherent to such a use in the R six 1119 01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:27,280 district. Um this approval is in harmony with the purpose of the code and more 1120 01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:30,800 specifically promoting and protecting public health, welfare and quality of 1121 01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:35,440 life. Um this is clearly going to improve the quality of life of the Dupin 1122 01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:40,239 residents. Um moving on to the variances. So I think generally um the 1123 01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:44,480 same argument applies to all of the variances that we are requesting in 1124 01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:48,800 terms of the uniqueness and practical difficulty. Um so in terms of 1125 01:29:46,719 --> 01:29:53,199 uniqueness, there's peculiar to topography on this site. Unlike most 1126 01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:57,040 sites in the R six district, it is heavily forested and that limits 1127 01:29:55,040 --> 01:30:01,840 locations where both the shed and this handicap parking space can be placed. Um 1128 01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:07,440 so this proposed location in terms of the shed is on an existing paved area 1129 01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:12,560 and then on top of that um the proposed location of the off street parking space 1130 01:30:10,239 --> 01:30:16,320 the handicaps parking space is in really the only location that is compatible 1131 01:30:14,639 --> 01:30:22,080 with both the topography and and creating an accessible path um for those 1132 01:30:19,199 --> 01:30:26,239 who are utilizing the handicap space. So to require the applicant to comply with 1133 01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:30,080 these setback requirements um would really preclude the applicant from 1134 01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:35,360 including these necessary maintenance sheds and the necessary handicap parking 1135 01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:39,600 space. Um so to require the strict enforcement of the codes regulations 1136 01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:45,840 would give rise to a practical difficulty. Um I ask now I've outlined 1137 01:30:43,199 --> 01:30:49,600 all of the supplemental findings in my memo. I'm sure that they're also in the 1138 01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:54,080 planning department's memo. So, in the interest of time, um I will invite any 1139 01:30:52,159 --> 01:30:58,239 questions that you all may have. Um and again, I'm I'm happy to orally go 1140 01:30:55,760 --> 01:31:03,679 through everything >> and I just told Liam or Liam, I told 1141 01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:07,040 Leland he can take his call and so I don't want you to feel like you have to 1142 01:31:05,840 --> 01:31:12,080 speak a mile a minute. >> I [laughter] I totally appreciate that. 1143 01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:16,080 » But you you covered that very clearly. >> That's that's always the goal. 1144 01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:20,080 » Um does anyone have any questions? put the microphone on just in case you you 1145 01:31:18,239 --> 01:31:22,719 ch Oh, thank you. Thank you. >> Thanks. 1146 01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:26,480 » Um we can just go through one by one. Does 1147 01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:30,040 anybody have any questions regarding conditional use? 1148 01:31:30,560 --> 01:31:36,520 » Does anybody have any question regarding the front yard setback? 1149 01:31:48,719 --> 01:31:52,960 And I appreciate Miss Tilden. This is excellent. 1150 01:31:52,159 --> 01:31:57,280 » Thank you. >> So if you guys need this summarized in 1151 01:31:54,960 --> 01:32:02,840 her packet, that first one um has them all listed out with a summary if you 1152 01:31:58,880 --> 01:32:02,840 need to refresh your memory. 1153 01:32:04,239 --> 01:32:11,800 Any questions on any of the other variants? Real yard set back. Interior 1154 01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:11,800 sideyard set back. 1155 01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:33,840 » And you did get to off streetet parking. >> Yes. 1156 01:32:32,159 --> 01:32:40,239 » That was quick. I was like, >> we're just we're moving through today. 1157 01:32:36,480 --> 01:32:43,120 » All right. Any other questions, Miss? >> Questions? 1158 01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:45,280 » Did you all have anything else that you wanted to cover? 1159 01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:49,920 » Nothing further. Thank you. >> Okay. 1160 01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:53,480 I'm just going to organize some of the documents real quick. 1161 01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:22,400 And Justin, you did not have a planning memo or did I just like speed through 1162 01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:25,040 that? You did. >> Yeah. Okay, great. 1163 01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:27,920 » It might not have made it into >> It did not make it into the packet. 1164 01:33:26,480 --> 01:33:32,800 That's what I wanted to just >> It should be in the folder. 1165 01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:35,360 » Got it. Thank you. >> And there's a copy in the binder in 1166 01:33:34,320 --> 01:33:40,159 which >> before I said 1167 01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:45,600 » adopt plannings findings. I just wanted to read it. 1168 01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:48,800 » And if I may, if we may, if you're willing to want to adopt the findings 1169 01:33:47,199 --> 01:33:54,080 submitted by applicant because I think you mentioned one of the variances isn't 1170 01:33:51,199 --> 01:33:58,480 in the staff report. >> Yeah. I mean, you said it, Sunny. You 1171 01:33:56,159 --> 01:34:03,600 said it was in >> the uh planning memo. It should be in 1172 01:34:01,280 --> 01:34:06,960 your binder. It's probably the first. It was originally the first case, so it's 1173 01:34:05,199 --> 01:34:09,840 probably under tab three or four. >> Okay. 1174 01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:11,199 » And then it's in the electronic folder as well. 1175 01:34:10,639 --> 01:34:16,159 » Thanks. >> But just to address that point, 1176 01:34:12,800 --> 01:34:19,679 planning's memo does not include uh the variances required for the front parking 1177 01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:21,280 spot, only for the shed and the conditional use. So, 1178 01:34:20,480 --> 01:34:23,600 » great. Thanks. >> Those will be needed in addition to our 1179 01:34:22,880 --> 01:34:27,040 findings. >> Okay. Thank you. 1180 01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:34,920 which is because they weren't in our initial application. I want to clarify. 1181 01:34:31,679 --> 01:34:34,920 » Got it. 1182 01:34:36,239 --> 01:34:42,800 » I had to turn on my substitute chair hat halfway through your [laughter] thing. I 1183 01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:46,280 was like, "Okay." Um, all right. 1184 01:34:52,960 --> 01:34:54,960 All 1185 01:35:02,480 --> 01:35:07,639 right. Seeing as there are no further questions 1186 01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:12,600 can go ahead and go to a vote. 1187 01:35:12,639 --> 01:35:17,800 We'll start with conditional use community center. 1188 01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:20,880 All 1189 01:35:22,719 --> 01:35:32,480 right. Based on the testimony from the applicant, um I do not see any reason um 1190 01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:36,639 not to approve the conditional use. Um this use will not be any more 1191 01:35:34,080 --> 01:35:40,840 detrimental to a similar use in the same district. Um 1192 01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:49,760 the nature of the proposed site is great. Resulting traffic patterns 1193 01:35:46,639 --> 01:35:52,800 won't be impacted in any negative way. Nature of the surrounding area. Extent 1194 01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:56,000 to which proposed use might impair its present and future development. 1195 01:35:54,560 --> 01:35:58,800 Proximity of dwellings, churches, schools, public structures, 1196 01:35:57,360 --> 01:36:02,320 accessibility of the premises to emergency vehicles. Accessibility of 1197 01:36:00,480 --> 01:36:05,840 light and air. Type and location of adequate utilities. Preservation of 1198 01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:08,800 cultural and historic landmarks. Character of the neighborhood. Provision 1199 01:36:07,120 --> 01:36:12,800 of the city's comprehensive master plan. All approve optical standards of a code. 1200 01:36:11,199 --> 01:36:19,760 The intent and purpose of the code. Any matters considered by the general I do 1201 01:36:15,199 --> 01:36:27,199 not see the following conditional use proposed in conflict with any of those 1202 01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:31,639 and um so I am a yes >> also yes 1203 01:36:28,159 --> 01:36:31,639 » also yes 1204 01:36:32,080 --> 01:36:38,080 » right now we're going to go one by one um each variance is that how you would 1205 01:36:36,639 --> 01:36:42,639 like to do it >> I mean the adopt 1206 01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:45,679 » Miss Tilden made the point I think the rationale is the same so if you're 1207 01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:48,960 comfortable voting on all of them at one time and for the reasons stated by 1208 01:36:47,440 --> 01:36:51,679 applicant I can >> draft a resolution. 1209 01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:57,440 » Great. For the reasons stated by the applicant, I propose um that we 1210 01:36:55,199 --> 01:37:01,840 recommend the application for variance of front yard setback, rear yard 1211 01:36:59,440 --> 01:37:06,960 setback, interior sideyard setback, and front yard off street parking. Um I am a 1212 01:37:04,719 --> 01:37:11,280 yes. >> Also a yes. 1213 01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:14,239 Also a yes. >> Yes. 1214 01:37:12,560 --> 01:37:17,880 » All right. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. 1215 01:37:14,719 --> 01:37:17,880 » Thank you. 1216 01:37:20,480 --> 01:37:24,080 » Are you all ready to go off the record? >> We are ready. 1217 01:37:22,800 --> 01:37:29,800 » You're off the record. >> 12:40. I don't vote for the record.