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All right. Good evening, neighbors. Thank you all for being here.

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We're going to call this planning commission meeting to order on September 2nd at 535 p.m.

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Please stand for the pledge of allegiance and commissioner, let me in there. Would you like to lead us in the pledge?

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Wonderful.

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All right. Can we get a roll call, please?

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Good evening, everyone.

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Chair, castor Reina.

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Here.

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Commissioner Evans.

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Present.

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Commissioner Light, I.I.N.A. Air, Commissioner Marshal, Commissioner Veliserie.

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Thank you.

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Wonderful.

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We'll move on to item number two, public comments.

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So, neighbors, you'll have three minutes to address all this on anything that is not on the agenda.

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Please state your name for the record, and you can not share your time with another individual.

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So the floor is yours.

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Any on Zoom?

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Looking at your meal, okay?

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Go ahead, Marcos.

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Thank you.

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So yeah, my name is Marcos Santana,

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and I am a lifelong banding resident.

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I wanted to start by saying that I think this amendment is moving to conversation

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and the right direction.

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Questions about ice attention centers, facilities,

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data centers, a standalone battery storage?

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Do you hear me?

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Yeah, so this is about anything that is not on the agenda today.

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Got it.

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Anything outside of that is for you.

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Got it.

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Okay. Well, I'll wait till the later discussion item, apologies for that.

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Thank you.

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No worries. Thank you for calling in.

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All right.

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Any public comment from the audience on the item not on the agenda tonight?

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Seeing none, no more online.

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All right.

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We will close item number three.

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Item number two, apologies.

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And we'll move on to, I'm number three, the consent agenda, 3.1, the Planning Commission meeting minutes from August 5th, 2026, and the, oh yeah.

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So, commissioners, any corrections to the August 5 minutes?

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Yes, section 9 for adjournment, it's set.

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Is that Commissioner Marshall made a motion and then was seconded by Commissioner Marshall? It's actually

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I seconded it. So you have him listed as both. So it was Marshall for motioning and then I seconded it. Thank you.

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Thank you, Commissioner. Commissioner Evans? Yes. I did find on the staff report, I did see that there was

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In correct city and I just wanted to make sure that that was noted that the planning it's state it's that the planning department of the city of Wildomar

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Wanted to ensure that that was correct?

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Is that in the minutes?

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No, this was on the staff report the project applicant

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For item 4.1

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This was the staff report that came along with the planning commission meeting minutes

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that are also the minutes commission. I'm sorry. I'm not seeing that. Good commission.

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It's on the maybe I'm stepping here, but this is for September today's staff report.

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Yes, so we're talking about the August fifth minute meeting minutes.

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Okay, I did see cold citation.

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The staff report size government.

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co-section for 801 while the certification states that it was 40801 and I just wanted to see if

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that was a correct citation.

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Again, you talking about item 4.1?

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Okay, we can wait till we get to that item.

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So when we go through commission discussion, this is on the August, just on the August meeting

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Okay, this was, okay.

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I do, and there was one other thing that mentioned the data centers was a comment made by myself.

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They're left unfinished, and I'm not sure where the sentence was going, that we're in the minute.

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So if that can just be reconciled,

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the pronoun of those minutes with me, it's just from recollection.

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And I believe that should be towards the end of them, Mr. Rassie.

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I'm trying to find in the minutes where you made that comment commissioner.

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I think they're a correction to the record.

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Okay. Well, we'll take a look at that.

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Okay. Awesome. Commissioners, any other notes on the August fifth meeting minutes?

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Would anyone like to make a motion with the corrections?

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I will motion to accept the meeting minutes from August with those adjustments.

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May.

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Can we get a second?

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I'll second that.

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Jerk Asturina.

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Commissioner Evans.

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Commissioner Light A&A.

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Commissioner Valdezary. Yes. Thank you. All right motion passes. You can submit accepted. Now let's move on to item number four public hearings 4.1 specific plan specific plan amendment number 26 to Ash 0 0 0 1 by NP banning industrial LLC for the sunset crossroads specific plan.

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Take it away.

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Mr. Secretary.

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Chair Castrana and fellow members of the Planning Commission, as you mentioned, item 4.1

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for specific climate amendment 26, dash triple 01, and amendment 2 sunset crossroads

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specific plan table 3-1.

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So the project before you as I just mentioned is an amendment to a focus amendment on table 3-1

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of the sunset crossroads specific plan to bribe it ice detention facilities and data centers

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and to limit battery energy storage systems, otherwise known as BES.

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Just some quick background, the Sunset Crossroads specific plan was approved by the City Council on March 10th,

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2026, approving a general plan amendment, zone change, ten of parcel map 3-8-118,

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and the development agreement and a certification of the project EIR.

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Council members, commissioners, and the general public express their concerns about the industrial buildings possibly being used as these ice detention facilities, data centers, and standalone battery energy storage systems, as these uses can't create significant land use in environmental impacts, and it's not a desirable use in the specific planned area.

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The project summary, the applicant MP banning industrial LLC, submitted a proposed amendment to table 3-1.

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It is exhibit A on attachment one, which is the resolution before you.

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Ice detention facilities and data centers are prohibited in the general commercial and industrial land use districts.

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The best systems are to be prohibited as a primary use, but will be allowed as ancillary energy storage,

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to exclusively serve a building specific energy needs when required by the California Building Code.

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Again, the detention facilities, data centers, and standalone alone, not alone.

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Best facilities are incompatible with other uses that are allowed in Table 3-1.

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These uses can impact the retail commercial and light industrial uses of the project area.

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They can result in significant local impacts and create new sense concerns within the specific

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plan area and surrounding neighborhoods, and the applicant is requesting the planning

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commission support to amend table 3-1 to provide these uses in the specific plan.

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So the applicant has submitted a risk letter, it's the attachment five to the staff report.

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They're recognizing the sunset crossroads specific plan approvals or subject to a local referendum

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vote at the November 3rd, 2026 General Election, the specific plan in this proposed amendment

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cannot be and will not be effective until the outcome of the referendum is determined.

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The Planning Commission Resolution before you, 2026-03, includes language to stay the

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effective date of the council's eventual council resolution until after the outcome of the election.

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The Environmental Determination, per the California Environmental Quality Act, staff is determined

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the project is exempt from further environmental review, per section 1, 5, 1, 8, 3 of the

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SQL guidelines, these proposed amendments to prohibit the ICE detention centers, data centers,

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and to limit best facilities are consistent with the general plan and since the crossroads,

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specific plan table 3-1 of permitted uses. They're prohibited in limited uses of the potential

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causing additional environmental impacts and nuisance concerns, and these uses are inconsistent

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as we've stated with the other permitted and conditionally permitted uses and table 3-1,

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which were reviewed in the Certified EIAR, and in notice of exemption will be filed for the project.

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This is some detail, apologize for the small font. The little more detail on the

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environment or the sequence exemption of 15183 specifically to subsection A, the projects that are

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the specific plan or general plan for which the NERR was certified, a public agency shall limit

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It's examination of the environmental effects that the agency determines.

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If they are peculiar to the project site or project location, if they were not analyzed

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as significant effects in a prior EIR, are potentially significant off-site impacts or community

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a commutative impact, not discussed in the prior EIR, or our previously identified significant

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impacts which were not known at the time the EIR was certified and that's subsection

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B. And then there's a couple of subsections and subsection D that should only apply

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to projects that meet the following conditions if it is consistent with a community plan or

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specific plan adopted with the general plan. Project is consistent with the zoning actions,

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specific plan action that was taken, where the project is located, and the project is consistent

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with the general plan of a local agency.

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Those are subsections D1A, 1B and 1C.

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The specific plan findings are four findings that are outlined in the staff report and the approval

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resolution that the specific plan amendment is consistent with the goals and policies of the general plan,

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would not be detrimental to the environment, to the public interest, health safety

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convenience or welfare of the city, this physically suitable for the requested land use

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designations and anticipated developments, and that the amendment shall ensure development

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of desirable character which will be compatible with the existing and proposed development

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in the surrounding neighborhood, and in this case the items are being prohibited or extremely

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limited in their allowance.

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So with that, staff.

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We recommend that the Planning Commission adopt resolution 2026-03, we're recommending to the City Council approval of specific plan amendment, PSV26-Triple01.

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That concludes our presentation. I'm available for any questions you may have, but I think we'll start with a comment from our city attorney that he wants to make regarding the project.

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Right, so I've been asked to comment on an issue that might raise some questions during the hearing and so I'd like to address that now.

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And that is the fact that there is a referendum pending relative to the ordinances that this specific plan is related to.

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So, this specific plan in question is not a direct subject of the referenda, and this amendment to this specific plan is permissible because it will only go into effect if the referendum approves the ordinances that it relates to.

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So, if the referendum vote is to not approve the ordinances, this specific plan

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amendment will never go into effect.

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So it's not going to create any kind of conflict or inconsistency with the current referendum.

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Is that what you had in mind?

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Thank you.

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So again, I'm available for any questions you may have before we open the public hearing.

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Does anybody our fellow commissioners, do we have any factual questions?

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We'll hold any opinions or robust discussion until after public hearing.

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I did have a few.

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Can we pull a table 3.1?

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explain these changes in simple terms that we're reviewing right now?

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on the 3.1.

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Sure, and I'm going to go to the top just to give everybody a reference because the label is all the way up here.

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I apologize for going too far now.

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Okay, so exhibit A, which is attached to the resolution, is this table 3-1, which is in the sunset crossroads specific plan.

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And this is the list of permitted and conditionally permitted uses within the specific plan area.

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in the general commercial and industrial zone locations.

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And towards the bottom are the three uses that are in question this evening.

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I will start with the first one here.

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Battery energy storage systems.

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These are essentially the commercial or industrial versions of what you might do at your home,

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when you install solar panels on a roof and you have a whatever battery pack in your garage.

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That's the back of power if you ever was power.

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So at some point commercial use is going to be the norm.

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It isn't quite yet.

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There is in some areas.

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You ever look at aerial photos.

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You'll see industrial buildings.

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Their roofs are covered with the solar panels.

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In their either contributing to their building or to the grid in the area.

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So there may be a need for these buildings to have some smaller version of this.

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But the prohibition here is that in permit exclusively to serve the project energy use when required by the California building code. So a stand alone is not permitted in this case.

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So that's what the note is signifying here. And then the second item is the ice detention facilities. These weren't this was not a line item in this table before, but it has been added towards the bottom of page 3-14.

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and the acts indicate that it's prohibited in the general commercial and the industrial zones.

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And then the third item is data processing centers which was there before as a permitted use in industrial zone.

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It is now prohibited.

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And the note here states for everybody who's not able to read it there for purposes as a specific plan.

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Data processing center is defined.

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As a facility primarily used for the housing, processing and storage of computer servers, networking equipment, and associated infrastructure to support enterprise, cloud, or internet-based computing services.

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So this is essentially this exhibit is what is being reviewed this evening. The two prohibited items in limiting to the best systems.

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Mark, is there a reason that it's not allowed the systems, the backup systems are not allowed in the retail commercial?

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Seems like grocery stores should have a battery backup system.

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Typically, they are found in the industrial areas. If you look at the very dense industrial areas,

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like Ontario, Rancho Cogamanga, San Bernardino, Riverside County, ZSL, all that,

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You'll see they're mostly on those roofs. They are starting to show up on the larger

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commercial roofs, but it's not as prevalent and

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So I think the assumption here was that if a industrial building does utilize their roof space for something like this would be limited to that instead of a stand-alone

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Energy storage substation if you will is what we're prohibiting here. No, I understand a wondering though about the it's

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It's not permitted in

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The retail, Commissioner Marshall, if I could just add real quick, that was in the original

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specific plan.

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I was adopted by Council.

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It was never envisioned that a stand-alone battery energy storage facility to be in the

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commercial zones.

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There were only allowed in the industrial zones.

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Now those stand-alone facilities are being prohibited and the inscillary use of the systems

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are allowed in the industrial zone as a and solar use or secondary use.

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So it's not compatible in the commercial zone.

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They have these battery energy storage facilities.

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Some are 80 megawatts in size.

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It could take up 3, 4, 5 acres.

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So it just did not seem appropriate.

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When the original SP was prepared brought to commission and council.

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That's why there are an X and that's not being changed.

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And so I see, I think it's best, right?

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Yes. So the report says, best is incillary,

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meaning it's not the primary function,

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or use the array of the business. It's second, right, the business.

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But we have P, which is permitted by, right?

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Is that correct?

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The note is what determines that it's not primary,

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but if you're looking for more specificity, we can add.

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to the note. I ask because it should be then changed to A, right, and Celerina.

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I can't. We could do that as part of the action this evening. And I ask because a few of these

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things, depending if, you know, Mr. Bassie, oh, God. Yeah, we don't need to change that from P to A.

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It is permitted, but it's only permitted as the note says, as a secondary and Celerina,

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use to the primary building for industrial building. So I think we're good with the way it is.

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So I guess the only concern is if we, you know, you leave and we have another community development

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director come in and they read it differently. This will use it open for us. I guess the same line

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of reasoning comes into play with us not having definitions for the ice detention facilities or

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I think I can comment on that because I think it's actually clear if you look at the

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notes for battery energy storage system. It says P under industrial and then it says

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permitted exclusively to serve project energy use when required by California building code

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And then it says otherwise prohibited.

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So it's clear that it's prohibited.

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So unless required by the building code.

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Gajad.

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So for ice detention facilities and data centers,

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I'm wondering why we don't have definitions

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for either of those.

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Because the same line of reasoning,

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if Mr. Bassie leaves and we have a new person come in

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And they interpret this differently,

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something similar to a data center could be in play or

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similar to ICE detention facilities.

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I guess it's for council too.

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If we are zooming in on ICE detention facilities, for example.

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Would that potentially go against federal law?

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How do we make this more broad so we're more protected?

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Yeah, so I think it's pretty clear. It says immigration and custom enforcement, ice, detention facility.

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I can't think of a situation where there might be any confusion about what that means.

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And yeah, it seems clear to me to me.

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I would say with data centers, they use different terminology to describe similar things.

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And same with ICE attention, are we talking about detention centers in general, would we be okay with a typical detention center, not just an ICE detention facility?

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That's the my question, because it's very specific.

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Yeah, I think the applicant requested this specifically that they wanted ice detention facility and it would only apply to an ice detention facility, and that's what they requested.

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So that's what the application. Are we here in the applicant tonight?

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Yes, they're available. They don't have a formal presentation, but they'll be available for questions.

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I got you. Okay. Let's see.

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Go ahead, go, go, sure.

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My question is that I know this change

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is dependent on the referendum being voted in, but is there a scenario where if it does

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get voted in that this change doesn't happen? I believe the verbiogen here is that it automatically

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goes into effect 15 days after that would be a yes, but I just want to confirm that that is

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the case. The 15 days is the appeal period, so that's what we have on every approval, every project

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approval, so whatever date the certification is of that vote in November, so it would be from that

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date onward and I think some of the other approvals have a 30 day period, I think the ordinances are

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30 days, so there is kind of an unintended stagger of effective dates with all the approvals. Thank you.

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Going back to the best definition and I'm sorry, my notes are a bit

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jumbled here. But we are mentioning the California building code that it

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references. But I looked it up and I think it's actually the

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building, our California energy code that we're referencing.

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Energy code is one of the chapters of the building code.

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Title 24 parts six. They're all total 24 parts six. Yeah of 12 over 13 parts. Is the building code.

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Okay, and then we changed. I see we updated required or allowed. And we changed it to only required.

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You never know when the legislature is going to require similar energy systems like this

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like they do with not required, but allowing the rooftop solar that we have now, they

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may eventually work their way to commercial industrial buildings.

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I got so.

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I'm one of the positive, quick.

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I forgot.

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Commissioner, do you have anything, does this close for transparency, as far as according

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respondents is concerned with staff or the applicant. Any meeting?

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Okay. I did send in questions to Mr. Bassie on August 20th. I believe. Just to

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out to get clarification on some of these. It's one of them out there.

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Mr. Bassie did respond.

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or actually, it was a team last year's table responded with Mr. Bassie.

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So thank you both for that and appreciate it.

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And one of my questions was on the megawatts, the number 65 something that caught my attention.

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So in 2023, the EIR, the Environmental Impact Review, is it describes a 65 megawatts best

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use for electrical grid stability, but the September 2025 staff report calls it 65 megawatt per hours.

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MH and MW and MHW aren't interchangeable.

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So what was actually proposed both its MH output or my gosh, these letters.

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MW output.

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Yeah, so the megawatt measurement is a per hour.

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Measurement, whatever, it's outflow and flow. I'm not entirely certain on that. But I believe it was a combination of

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land uses that were assumed in the environmental review. They put together this list of permitted and

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conditionally permitted uses. And that was one that was discussed in there because probably because of the

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high energy use, so would be taken on by a system like that. I'm sure the developer could speak to

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how they came to 65.

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That, and probably it makes the uses to analyze

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probably a highest energy, water, or traffic,

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and other uses, in addition to the commercial industrial uses

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on the property to have a pretty good range of uses,

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analyzing that EIR should, any one of those items come in.

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So I know they're becoming a thing, both with utilities

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and private properties for these energy systems, so, but they could speak to it more and how they

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came to that size of 65 megawatts. Comission members? Jim. Yes, I did. I just wanted to make sure

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that under the data centers. I do see that it's specifically prohibited, but I just wanted to ensure

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that the definition covered all things that could be under another name, like, you know, server farms,

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those types of things AI, computing facilities, those types of things. I want to just ensure that

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that definition is explicit in it covers anything that can fall under that umbrella under another name.

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So there is the definition, but one thing that's not here, we could write a description that's endless,

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but with any commercial or industrial society requires what's called a certificate of occupancy inspection before anything could go in there.

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that's both what a business that occupies the space, the electrical, gets reviewed and approved,

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signs, everything else about someone occupying that space, whether it's an unmanned data

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center or a robust office space. So someone would have to go through that process and it would

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be held up there when we checked against the permitted land use as table, whether it's here in

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specific plan or in the city-wide zoning code.

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So there is one more hurdle that's not necessarily discussed here, but is a step in the process

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for anybody who wants to occupy any commercial or industrial building in the city.

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Okay, and then that's the same thing, same thing I wanted to ask about the detention facilities

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just to ensure that there was no contractor operating facilities that can go under another

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they would have to come before planning commission in council for that kind of use anyways.

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Thank you.

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And would we be able to update these definitions to include some of the commissionaries?

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I don't recall a formal definition section in this specific plan like we do in our zoning code.

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So if anything, it would be the note section that would further define or limit or constrain the land use.

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So, but at the end of this, we would be able to add that in potentially.

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You could put in any recommendation to the council and figure out final language to make sure

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it's probably a bit of the way everybody's wanting it to.

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And full disclosure for the audience, we aren't enacting these into the specific plan.

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That's the duty of the city council. We're slowly making recommendations.

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Okay, so if this amendment takes effect, will these restrictions bind every current in future

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property owner unless the city leader approves another public amendment?

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That's correct.

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There are runs with the land, not the ownership.

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Does it limit this amendment or future amendments in any way?

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No, it's very focused on these three specific uses, so any other proposed changes

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would have to go through a similar process.

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Council, can you, is there any additions to that?

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Can you restate the question?

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Sure.

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The development agreement grants vested development rights.

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Does it limit the amendment or future amendments in any way?

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If you can explain that.

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So you're asking about the development agreement now?

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Yeah, amendments to the development agreement itself

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have to be approved by an ordinance.

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So I'm not sure why we're talking about amendments to the development agreement because this is an amendment to a specific plan

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but that's a little bit different. Those amendments are more detail.

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Got it. Okay.

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Thank you.

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And then if, again, if we move forward with an amendment, when would this legally be able to be sent in place?

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So, the council meeting, which would be the next meeting I would hear this, would be October 32.

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Yeah, a little more a month from now, because there's a noticing period in all that, and then their action would not take effect until after the certification of the election,

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which is usually end of November, so effective dates would be mid, late, December, should everything be approved.

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And then, uh, Sequa, can you explain, again simply, why no additional study was needed?

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So 1, 5, 1, 8, 3, as I outlined before, is whenever something is, whenever a project has a certified EIR and a subsequent proposal comes in that is either equal to or less than the impact that was reviewed, that 1, 5, 1, 8, 3 would apply.

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So, that makes it exempt from any further additional review, and in this case, since we're prohibiting or further eliminating the land use is there that is considered lessening the impact to the project area in the surrounding area.

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Okay, thank you, Mr. Staples.

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And when is it appropriate to ask the applicant, when you're done with me?

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Any other questions for Mr. Staples?

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Or staff?

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No.

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All right.

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Thank you Mr. Sabels and Mr. Shrank with N.P. or Morris Point is here.

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Thank you for being here Mr. Shrank.

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Mr. Shrank?

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Mr. Shrank.

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Thank you Mr. Shrank.

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From North Point.

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Do you have a presentation for us this evening?

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Okay.

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Commissioners, do you have any questions for the applicant at all?

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I do not.

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Okay.

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I just had one.

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So exhibit a, does it accurately express your intent to prohibit a standalone best and allow only an onsite system serving another permitted use when required by state code?

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Are you retaining any right to build the 65 megawatt or 65 megawatt per hours standalone best previously described in the project materials?

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We are not reserved in the right to do a stand-alone best 65 megawatts or otherwise.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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And because this is a public hearing, folks have five minutes for this.

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That's correct.

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Three?

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Can we just double check that just to make sure?

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Yes, five.

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It is five.

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Thank you, Mr. Staples.

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All right.

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Time for our lovely public comment.

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Thank you all for being here tonight. You will have five minutes? Well, wait a minute. I think is this a public hearing?

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Yes, so you want to open the public hearing, right? Is that what you're planning on doing at this point? Yes.

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So you want to say that you're opening the public hearing and announce the time? Okay.

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So I will now open the public hearing at 6.11 PM and members from the public in the room and on zoom each will have five minutes.

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Speaking of time may not be transferred, you may state your name, but it is not required.

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So I'm on the clock now.

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You're on the clock.

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Richard McCard, resident of Banyng, regarding our Banyng Planning Commission meeting this evening.

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This hearing of the Banyng Planning Commission is to consider amendments as you've already heard to the Sunset Crossroads Pacific Plan.

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Let it be known that the Sunset Crossroads Pacific Plan and I know this has come up already,

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as never gone into effect and is not now an effect.

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There is a resolution for the City Council specifically requiring that

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ordinance 1620 if I have these numbers correct.

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The sunset crossroads development agreement needs to go into effect first,

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which has to do with the election coming up.

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Or then 1620 will be measured W on the ballot.

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Now, furthermore, the specific plan will only go into effect if and

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in the ordinance passes.

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Now, a question comes to mind, how can a city amend a specific plan before the specific plan takes effect?

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And I think as sort of a catch 22, what sort of defense depends on your view of when it is put into effect.

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Legally, as we all agree, it's not until after a successful for the applicant, a ballot.

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I do want to, however, go into some of the election implications of this.

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I'll spend a little time about half my time on this.

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There is a date in October, October 13th for consideration.

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If further this recommendation for the City Council from the Planning Commission

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is to be a pre by the City Council.

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That's when I best understand what this meeting is going to be.

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By the time the City Council acts on this recommendation by the Planning Commission, there will be considerably less than three weeks prior to the election.

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If the City Council modifies our only promises to modify the City Plan, a specific plan.

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By that time voters will already have received their ballots receiving arguments therein, which then must be made available to the voter.

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This will lead to confusion, at least, and likely unlawful information regarding the occurrence of an ordinance wording for 1620.

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So all I'm really doing there is that there are potential pitfalls that could impact the way the election proceeds.

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If one of the parties to the election says, well this isn't in there yet, but it will be.

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You know, that already takes the election.

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I'm not saying this will happen, but the developer, knowing that there is really nothing

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formally there yet for this to attach to, after the election is presumably one by

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then, let's say, and they've already agreed to promise to be faithful to what is agreed to here,

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but there's really no guardrail for that. Nothing to keep from the saying, well, this isn't in

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The agreement yet, and we can just pretend it's not there and go ahead, so something like that,

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it could be a problem.

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Now, so we have a couple of problems with perception,

452
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,500
and everything that I'm going in this part of my presentation says,

453
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:38,440
the election, if it's surled by advertisements promoting something that will come after the fact,

454
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:47,380
That violates both the spirit and the letter of a referendum that will lead to perhaps swaying

455
00:42:47,380 --> 00:42:52,480
the votes away from what it would be under the law, which is election code 1941.

456
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:59,040
So if this happens, then a lot of people could be a legal jeopardy.

457
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:09,680
So, I personally think it's really kind of shaky to be doing all of this in public.

458
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:16,460
These are public meetings, so that voters will have a conception which is not what we are voting on in a

459
00:43:16,460 --> 00:43:21,340
coordinates with a referendum that I reject that very strenuously.

460
00:43:30,650 --> 00:43:31,690
Thank you, Mr. McCart.

461
00:43:41,930 --> 00:43:43,010
Good evening, commissioners.

462
00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:45,790
My name is Marcos Santana and I'm a lifelong banding resident.

463
00:43:45,790 --> 00:43:50,390
I want to start by saying that I think this amendment is moving the conversation in the right direction.

464
00:43:51,150 --> 00:43:59,430
Questions about ICE detention facilities, data centers, and standalone battery storage are exactly the kinds of issues we should be discussing clearly in publicly before projects move forward.

465
00:44:00,850 --> 00:44:04,470
I also appreciate that the communities concerns are actually being taken seriously.

466
00:44:05,310 --> 00:44:14,430
At the same time, many residents are concerned that these changes could make a massive warehouse project seem more acceptable without addressing the larger concerns about the project itself.

467
00:44:14,430 --> 00:44:20,250
that concern is understandable and we should not suggest that these amendments solve all the issues

468
00:44:20,250 --> 00:44:24,850
residents have. There are several points that need to be clear, especially because these labels

469
00:44:24,850 --> 00:44:31,130
could be applied for future projects down the road. First, what exactly counts as a data center? If

470
00:44:31,130 --> 00:44:35,370
these facilities are prohibited, the language should be specific enough to prevent a future developer

471
00:44:35,370 --> 00:44:40,570
from simply using a different name to get around the rule. If a server farm, a data center,

472
00:44:40,570 --> 00:44:43,050
or another name is utilized to describe a similar use,

473
00:44:43,510 --> 00:44:45,290
then there should be a defined set of criteria

474
00:44:45,290 --> 00:44:47,710
outlining the facility's primary function.

475
00:44:48,290 --> 00:44:50,110
The type of amount of equipment it contains

476
00:44:50,110 --> 00:44:53,770
is energy demand, its cooling systems, its physical state,

477
00:44:53,930 --> 00:44:56,030
and ways it processes stores and transfers data.

478
00:44:56,570 --> 00:44:58,930
That ordinance should focus on the actual characteristics

479
00:44:58,930 --> 00:44:59,970
and impacts of the system.

480
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:21,220
Sociality, rather than the label used by the applicant. The same principle should apply if a project is described as a technology facility, a cloud computing facility, telecommunications facility, digital infrastructure facility, so on and so forth. The city should have clear objective standards for determining which, whether proposed project falls into the prohibited category.

481
00:45:21,980 --> 00:45:26,160
Second, the amendment should clearly explain what types of facilities and equipment are covered

482
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:30,320
by the ban on stand-alone battery storage, common furniture of the best, of course.

483
00:45:31,020 --> 00:45:34,700
A developer should not be able to describe the battery energy storage facility as part of

484
00:45:34,700 --> 00:45:36,660
another use just to avoid the restriction.

485
00:45:37,260 --> 00:45:41,500
The rules should be based on what the facility actually does and how large it is not just

486
00:45:41,500 --> 00:45:43,380
on what it's called on an application.

487
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,220
So I think of the term, andcillary.

488
00:45:46,220 --> 00:45:54,100
If battery storage is allowed as part of another industrial project, the ordinance should explain what counts as a truly secondary use.

489
00:45:54,660 --> 00:45:59,700
What really in really be a larger separate battery facility storage?

490
00:46:00,540 --> 00:46:05,560
Without clear definitions and enforceable rules, the ban could be weakened by changing the project's description.

491
00:46:06,980 --> 00:46:09,660
The labels used by the facilities matter as well.

492
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:16,600
Whether a project is called a data center, a server farm, a best, a standalone battery storage,

493
00:46:16,820 --> 00:46:20,940
an ancillary storage, or whatever else, the ordinance should regulate the actual use,

494
00:46:21,180 --> 00:46:25,480
the equipment, the scale, and impacts of the facility. Clear definitions are necessary

495
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:30,160
so that change in terminology does not create a loophole. Either for this project or future projects

496
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:35,720
down the road. Even with all these changes, the larger concerns about sunset crossroads remain.

497
00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:42,960
Resons are still asking about truck traffic, air pollution, impacts on our roads, water, electricity use,

498
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,800
and the types of put jobs that this project would actually bring to banning.

499
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:51,140
Will the project actually bring in enough money for the city to handle the added demands?

500
00:46:51,260 --> 00:46:59,080
It takes on our roads for utilities, our public services, the extra increase on our taxpayer dollars to facilitate this construction.

501
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:05,060
I appreciate that the residents concerns are actually being heard on these three issues.

502
00:47:05,060 --> 00:47:09,920
And I do support strengthening these protections, but as we consider this amendment, we should

503
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:11,260
remember what's at stake.

504
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:16,920
The decision is about making sure that the terms that we use, including the Ancillary

505
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:21,720
Use, are clearly defined and cannot be used to avoid the attempt of the ordinance, either

506
00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:22,980
now or in future projects.

507
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:28,120
It's about what our project of this scale will bring actual good jobs to local residents, protect

508
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:33,800
our residents from added traffic, provide enough revenue for the demand it creates, and actual

509
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:34,600
community benefits.

510
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:43,400
So, those definitions, protections and commitments should be clear before we treat this project as acceptable, thank you.

511
00:47:43,740 --> 00:47:44,480
Thank you.

512
00:48:05,820 --> 00:48:06,180
Good evening.

513
00:48:07,020 --> 00:48:08,660
I have no problem mentioning my name.

514
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:09,720
It's Kathy Aranda.

515
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,700
I'm glad I have the opportunity to speak tonight.

516
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,480
And I want to mention something before I start.

517
00:48:18,940 --> 00:48:21,120
I want to mention the California Constitution.

518
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:26,440
California courts have said that the power of referendum must be

519
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:31,800
jellously guarded. Are we doing that tonight by even bringing this

520
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:35,680
before the planning commission to give a recommendation to our city council?

521
00:48:36,700 --> 00:48:41,460
I do not think we are jellously guarding the constitution of California.

522
00:48:43,420 --> 00:48:47,600
That being said, the power of the referendum is protected.

523
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:55,580
It's one of the few tools ordinary citizens have to challenge an action of their government.

524
00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:02,660
Few, we have so few ability to fight $20 billion worth point.

525
00:49:03,500 --> 00:49:04,800
This is all we have.

526
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:09,480
So that matters tonight.

527
00:49:10,980 --> 00:49:12,540
North Point through N.P.

528
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:16,280
Banning Industrial LLC is a developer of sunset crossroads.

529
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,480
North Point already showed Banning what it wanted.

530
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:27,920
they've already showed us. It's this in a secret. And it's data centers, data storage,

531
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:34,120
best in other controversial, controversial uses. These uses are not just a peer in this specific

532
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:41,280
plan by accident. They were intentionally included in the Table 3-1 as permitted uses.

533
00:49:41,860 --> 00:49:48,840
North Point brought that specific plan to banning. That's what they did. The City Council approved

534
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:54,680
forward to one with all those uses in there, the additional uses, that's what they did, that's what happened.

535
00:49:58,280 --> 00:49:59,980
The planning commission at the time had even written.

536
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:06,920
And even thought, well, let's bring it back to the Planning Commission. We have issues to discuss.

537
00:50:08,500 --> 00:50:15,980
City Council said no. So that's why we have a referendum. That should be jealousy guarded.

538
00:50:16,660 --> 00:50:21,760
And what we're doing here tonight is not in the spirit of what the California Constitution says.

539
00:50:22,900 --> 00:50:23,560
So,

540
00:50:27,410 --> 00:50:32,030
now those very same uses have become politically damaging to sunset crossroads.

541
00:50:32,890 --> 00:50:35,570
Suddenly, North Point wants to remove them.

542
00:50:36,310 --> 00:50:37,130
Pray tell.

543
00:50:38,650 --> 00:50:39,670
So, why now?

544
00:50:40,190 --> 00:50:43,510
This appears to be a political damage control before an election.

545
00:50:44,510 --> 00:50:49,710
It looks like an attempt to manipulate how voters see this project before they cast their ballots.

546
00:50:49,710 --> 00:50:57,130
In a fair answer, in other words, change the words, change the presentation, make the project easier to sell to the voters.

547
00:50:57,670 --> 00:51:00,890
That's what we're doing here tonight. Just so we're all clear.

548
00:51:02,990 --> 00:51:05,550
The city should not participate in that.

549
00:51:06,250 --> 00:51:12,090
The voters deserve to judge sunset crowdsroads based on what North Point originally brought to Bany,

550
00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:17,210
not a politically repackaged version that presented weeks before an election.

551
00:51:17,210 --> 00:51:25,670
North Point Records Matter and Falls Township, Pennsylvania officials voted 3-1 to deny

552
00:51:25,670 --> 00:51:27,610
North Point's rezoning request.

553
00:51:28,210 --> 00:51:32,730
North Point later received approvals for their warehouse as in distribution centers.

554
00:51:33,310 --> 00:51:38,850
Major portions of that project were later changed to data centers later after the fact.

555
00:51:39,870 --> 00:51:41,170
They changed it.

556
00:51:41,170 --> 00:51:48,050
And Hazelton Township officials deny North Point's Project Hazelton or Hazelnet, excuse me.

557
00:51:48,430 --> 00:51:51,970
North Point sued asking Court to overturn that denial.

558
00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:55,690
Wow, there were all team players, aren't they?

559
00:51:56,350 --> 00:51:57,530
Look at Julia Delanoi.

560
00:51:58,610 --> 00:52:03,070
North Point's massive warehouse project became the subject of the years of litigation.

561
00:52:04,650 --> 00:52:05,410
That's happened.

562
00:52:05,410 --> 00:52:12,270
Now, look at California, North Point pursued opportunities in Sacramento, Oakley and Modesto,

563
00:52:12,930 --> 00:52:18,430
and Modesto, a council member Chris Richie publicly stated, North Point was lobbying

564
00:52:18,430 --> 00:52:20,770
council members about data centers.

565
00:52:23,210 --> 00:52:23,810
That's.

566
00:52:24,530 --> 00:52:28,090
So, when North Point asked Banning to remove data centers from this plan,

567
00:52:28,410 --> 00:52:30,250
its actions elsewhere matter.

568
00:52:31,970 --> 00:52:36,630
Changing these uses to prohibit today does not make that permanent.

569
00:52:36,630 --> 00:52:42,050
table three one can be amended again. As Maya Angelos said, when someone

570
00:52:42,050 --> 00:52:47,830
shows you who they are, believe them the first time. North Point already showed

571
00:52:47,830 --> 00:52:53,750
us, there is another serious question the city needs to answer. Resolution 2026-29

572
00:52:53,750 --> 00:52:57,570
says the resolution of proving the sunset crossroads specific plan becomes

573
00:52:57,570 --> 00:53:04,330
effective only when orange at 1620 becomes effective. So if 1620 is not

574
00:53:04,330 --> 00:53:07,570
become effective, tonight's own staff report acknowledges

575
00:53:07,570 --> 00:53:12,070
that I'm so, okay, well, thank you, I appreciate it.

576
00:53:12,210 --> 00:53:14,890
And I hope you understand the spirit of what this is brought forward.

577
00:53:17,580 --> 00:53:18,700
I'm really quick.

578
00:53:19,140 --> 00:53:22,600
We can ask factual follow-up questions of the speakers.

579
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:23,500
That's correct,

580
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:25,920
right?

581
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:27,240
During a public hearing.

582
00:53:29,910 --> 00:53:34,850
You're asking if, what, can you, if we can ask commissioners?

583
00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:36,610
We, we can ask commissioners.

584
00:53:36,990 --> 00:53:45,210
can ask a factual follow-up question, but the speaker says something we want to get a

585
00:53:45,210 --> 00:53:50,510
fact straight, to understand what they said, a clarifying question.

586
00:53:52,910 --> 00:53:53,470
Well, I see Mr.

587
00:53:53,550 --> 00:53:59,350
Marshall shaking his head. I don't think I've been asked that question before I

588
00:53:59,350 --> 00:54:06,210
think that, you know, when somebody comes up to make public comment, it's just that

589
00:54:06,210 --> 00:54:09,610
they're giving comment, it's not intended to be a discourse.

590
00:54:11,130 --> 00:54:14,710
And if it does become a discourse, the meeting can quickly

591
00:54:15,570 --> 00:54:21,390
devolve into something that is not capable of being controlled.

592
00:54:22,410 --> 00:54:25,050
So without having the opportunity to research it further,

593
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:28,390
I would recommend against that.

594
00:54:29,610 --> 00:54:32,630
Can we take a quick recess, so you can research it really quick?

595
00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:36,270
This is a, I'm not going to be able to answer the question in a recess.

596
00:54:37,090 --> 00:54:40,450
I've given the best opinion that I can under the circumstances.

597
00:54:42,310 --> 00:54:42,450
Okay.

598
00:54:43,450 --> 00:54:44,450
We'll go with that.

599
00:54:44,650 --> 00:54:44,850
Okay.

600
00:54:44,970 --> 00:54:46,070
Thank you, Councilor.

601
00:54:46,770 --> 00:54:47,410
Thank you, Speaker.

602
00:54:48,790 --> 00:54:49,710
Missed on that.

603
00:54:52,180 --> 00:54:52,920
Let's carry on.

604
00:55:00,180 --> 00:55:08,980
My name is Lynne Ahaigan and I just, my end of town, received this propaganda ad in the mail this week.

605
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:29,520
And in it, it states that, new shopping and dining options, this could happen without having to have warehouses, questionable 3,700 jobs, 35 million in transportation improvements, 98 acres of parks and open space,

606
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,980
and a new fire station, which is not true.

607
00:55:33,460 --> 00:55:35,760
They were going to set some land aside,

608
00:55:36,020 --> 00:55:38,880
but it's up to banning to build the fire station.

609
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,820
Also, no mention about the 5.5 billion

610
00:55:43,820 --> 00:55:47,100
eight square feet of warehouses that are going to be there.

611
00:55:47,700 --> 00:55:51,180
And in the back, it says the ad was paid for

612
00:55:51,180 --> 00:55:57,320
by residents supporting the measure UVW, four sams,

613
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:04,940
and improve city services, a coalition of local businesses, consumers, and North Point development.

614
00:56:05,660 --> 00:56:13,000
And I'm sure they probably only gave a dollar and it said the ad committee fund top funders is North Point development.

615
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:16,480
Thank you.

616
00:56:16,700 --> 00:56:17,640
Thank you, Ms. Sagan.

617
00:56:29,370 --> 00:56:31,490
Yes, hello, commission and staff.

618
00:56:32,050 --> 00:56:32,910
My name is Bob Lobby.

619
00:56:33,990 --> 00:56:40,470
I have one question about the table 3.1, this may just be a housekeeping issue, but if

620
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:50,010
you do go to the location just above the ice facility, that was the one about cold storage.

621
00:56:51,090 --> 00:56:56,130
I thought at one time cold storage was eliminated from the entire process, currently marked

622
00:56:56,130 --> 00:57:04,010
here as permitted, we can discuss that later and see if that's, you know, I'm Ron or it just

623
00:57:04,010 --> 00:57:09,090
has never been changed from the last provision. And I mainly just do this because I hate

624
00:57:09,090 --> 00:57:15,770
to have this go through and then have it kick back at full council. That would delay the whole

625
00:57:15,770 --> 00:57:20,330
process. Thank you much. Thank you.

626
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:52,460
Good evening, commissioners. My name is Kathleen Dale. I'm a resident of banning. I'm

627
00:57:52,460 --> 00:57:57,380
retired planner and environmental consultant and I was the chair of the Planning Commission

628
00:57:57,380 --> 00:58:01,360
when the Planning Commission recommended that since that crossroads not be approved.

629
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:08,340
And as you've already heard, the simple fact is there is not a specific plan to amend at this

630
00:58:08,340 --> 00:58:14,600
juncture and this is evident if you just look at the plain language of resolution 202629.

631
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:26,520
If you understand that ordinance is 1618, 1619 and 1620 are suspended, and if you also consider the provisions of government code section 66300.

632
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:33,840
And so I'll just read for you quickly what resolution 202629 says.

633
00:58:34,060 --> 00:58:40,440
The approval section says that the general plan amendment and the specific plan are hereby being approved.

634
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:59,100
The effectiveness section says the resolution becomes effective with ordinance 1620, not the specific plan, not the general plan amendment, the resolution, the resolution adopts those two actions and as the resolution is not affected, those two actions are not adopted.

635
00:59:02,100 --> 00:59:28,440
There's also a question about the effect of ordinance 1619 being suspended because that is the action that does the residential zoning density offset that's required for the rezoning to industrial on the development site that ordinance is suspended and according to government code section 66300 since that offset has not been done that zoning is null and void.

636
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:41,080
I think you need to look at what you're being asked to do tonight as kind of similar to if you had a zoning request for you for a zoning action that wasn't consistent with the general plan.

637
00:59:41,540 --> 00:59:49,440
And they said, it's okay. You can do this tonight because we're going to come back later with that general plan of amendment. You can't separate those things.

638
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:53,260
There's also an issue with what you've been given regarding

639
00:59:53,260 --> 00:59:59,300
CEQA. This section 15183 doesn't apply in this circumstance.

640
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:21,100
And again, if you look, have the staff bring the section up again, this applies for a project that's consistent with the general plan zoning or community plan. And this project is not. That property is back to the zoning that was in place before the project was approved. So it's primarily residential.

641
01:00:24,970 --> 01:00:40,910
There's another issue also in that there's been absolutely no documentation provided to you if you look at that section 15183, it says the determination that the EIR continues to apply needs to be supported with an initial study or similar analysis.

642
01:00:41,770 --> 01:00:43,490
None of that has been done.

643
01:00:44,490 --> 01:00:55,570
The city is actually in litigation right now on a project involving tri-point for exactly the same reason with a notice of continued relevance being brought through with no substantiation.

644
01:00:57,250 --> 01:01:07,430
The provision of secret that they should be applying is 15162, which is evaluating whether or not the certified EIR is still relevant to the project.

645
01:01:07,430 --> 01:01:17,110
And this is not an exhaustive evaluation, but there are at least three aspects that are no longer relevant that require supplemental consideration.

646
01:01:18,450 --> 01:01:31,730
And that includes the fact that the overriding considerations that the EIR was adopted with considered them getting a five million dollar advance on their diff fees for some like full of art extension, which is not happening.

647
01:01:31,730 --> 01:01:43,590
The existing EIR also does not address a new protected species, the crutches bumblebee, and also the fire hazard maps have been updated.

648
01:01:44,230 --> 01:01:50,170
The existing EIR says there's no fire hazard zone within a half a mile of the project site.

649
01:01:50,470 --> 01:01:55,090
When, in fact, now, the entire site is within a very high fire hazard zone.

650
01:01:59,230 --> 01:02:05,150
We're here tonight because the City Council ignored the Planning Commission on the initial approval.

651
01:02:05,870 --> 01:02:11,730
And because the City Council is trying to clean up a mess they created by approving a plan they didn't understand.

652
01:02:14,090 --> 01:02:29,350
This crafty attempt right now to tell you that you can prospectively amend this plan shows the public that the City can't be trusted to honestly and fairly implement the type of plan that they tried to approve.

653
01:02:30,450 --> 01:02:39,210
If the city and the developer also think that these little band aids are addressing the community concerns, they're just not listening.

654
01:02:40,170 --> 01:02:48,030
The communities concerns are the disrespectful establishment of a mega warehouse district next to homes.

655
01:02:49,350 --> 01:02:51,290
And thank you.

656
01:02:53,970 --> 01:02:54,510
Thank you, Michelle.

657
01:03:08,250 --> 01:03:09,530
Do have someone online.

658
01:03:10,370 --> 01:03:10,990
Go ahead.

659
01:03:16,970 --> 01:03:18,450
Go ahead, Mr. Platt.

660
01:03:24,820 --> 01:03:26,120
We can hear you go ahead.

661
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:28,280
Hello, can you hear me? Yes,

662
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:35,280
proceed, proceed. Okay. Good evening. Commissioner's my name is Jeffrey Platt.

663
01:03:36,260 --> 01:03:40,620
I'm a resident of DC4. I'm here tonight in support of the amendment to the sunset crossroads

664
01:03:40,620 --> 01:03:47,200
specific plan land use table 3.1. That would prohibit data centers, battery and energy storage

665
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:54,180
system facilities, and ice detention facilities from being permitted under this plan. I want to start

666
01:03:54,180 --> 01:03:57,260
by saying this plainly, this amendment doesn't matter.

667
01:03:57,940 --> 01:04:01,980
For months, in the community meetings and public comment on social media and employers distribute

668
01:04:01,980 --> 01:04:06,500
around this city, residents of race concerns that sunset cross route could become a landing

669
01:04:06,500 --> 01:04:11,380
site for a data center or for a battery storage facility or even an ice detention

670
01:04:11,380 --> 01:04:11,880
center.

671
01:04:12,460 --> 01:04:14,840
Whether those fears were founded or not, they were sincere.

672
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:20,440
People genuinely worried about what could come to the site and could, is what land used

673
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:24,960
citizens live and die on. Tonight this commission has an opportunity to put those specific

674
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:30,360
beers to rest. Not by asking residents to trust that it won't happen. Not by pointing

675
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:35,740
to what the developer says they plan to build, by amending the specific planet itself so that

676
01:04:35,740 --> 01:04:40,880
those uses are firmly prohibited in the governing document. That is the strongest possible answer

677
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:46,700
the city can give to those concerns, short of not building anything at all. I want to be clear

678
01:04:46,700 --> 01:04:49,140
about what this common is and what it isn't.

679
01:04:49,300 --> 01:04:51,500
It isn't attempt to sway anyone's vote under a November

680
01:04:51,500 --> 01:04:52,040
referendum.

681
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:54,380
Voters will make that decision on the merits.

682
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:57,020
What tonight's action does is take three

683
01:04:57,020 --> 01:04:59,760
specific concerns off the table permanently, regardless.

684
01:05:01,820 --> 01:05:08,480
If the project moves forward, none of those three uses can occur. If it doesn't move forward, it's

685
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:13,400
a signal about how this city handles those uses generally. That's why I'm asking this commission

686
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:19,180
to approve the amendment unanimously. Now, I want to speak directly to something this community is aware of.

687
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:29,980
Chair Castorina, you have been public don record as opposing the sunset crossroads project. That is your

688
01:05:29,980 --> 01:05:34,440
to hold that position. What I'm asking is that you separate that position from tonight's

689
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:39,400
boat. Tonight isn't a boat on whether since at Crossroads is a good project, it's a

690
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:43,880
boat on whether three specific industrial uses, data centers and best facilities and

691
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:48,720
ice detention should be permanently excluded from the plan. Every resident who has raised

692
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:52,900
those concerns in the past 12 months is watching to see whether this commission will

693
01:05:52,900 --> 01:05:57,360
formally close that door. If the commission votes yesterday, one of the most repeat

694
01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:02,140
concerns about this project becomes moved that helps this community regardless of which way the

695
01:06:02,140 --> 01:06:07,300
referendum goes. If the commission votes no or delays the community has a right to understand why.

696
01:06:07,780 --> 01:06:13,840
Because could a data center come here is a question. This amendment answers definitely definitively.

697
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:18,660
I'll be watching the vote and be documentary reasons offered by each commissioner. That's not a threat.

698
01:06:18,860 --> 01:06:22,640
That's how public accountability works when the paperwork this commission produces will

699
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:30,200
and land use in the city for decades to be clear. I'm asking for a yes on PSP26-001 not

700
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because I want to score a political point on the referendum because this is a

701
01:06:33,900 --> 01:06:37,520
community's opportunity to lock in something that residents on both sides of

702
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:40,780
the project could say they wanted. Thank you.

703
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:44,140
Thank you. Thank you Mr.

704
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:44,480
Martin.

705
01:06:46,540 --> 01:06:48,200
Who's that that? Chris.

706
01:06:54,030 --> 01:06:58,470
You said there is one more. Oh, okay. Back to

707
01:06:58,470 --> 01:06:59,070
person?

708
01:07:07,380 --> 01:07:16,560
I just don't think that it's clear whether or not this is legally binding before or

709
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:24,260
after the election. It sounds great. I don't see any reason not to vote for this, but I think

710
01:07:24,260 --> 01:07:34,080
it should be very clear that it's not legally binding until after the election. And for my own opinion,

711
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:41,140
I mean, I just drove down to Palm Springs and back past that empty warehouse, what's that a million square feet.

712
01:07:41,820 --> 01:07:51,400
And logically, I don't see why a developer would want to build 4.7 million more square feet of warehouse in this area.

713
01:07:51,580 --> 01:07:55,900
I went, we've got that empty one by the airport. There's another empty one over Cherry Valley.

714
01:07:56,620 --> 01:08:01,440
That tells me that this is not a normal use. That's planned here.

715
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:11,360
And if this is a heist to change the plan again after the election, we're going to be suckers.

716
01:08:12,220 --> 01:08:15,760
I don't want there to be documentaries about banning.

717
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:24,600
I've got a lot of friends that are filmmakers that I jump all over this as a warning to other people.

718
01:08:28,180 --> 01:08:29,040
I guess that's about it.

719
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:32,920
I just hope maybe the city attorney can clarify that

720
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:36,940
that this will not be legally binding until after the election.

721
01:08:39,780 --> 01:08:41,260
That's my fear.

722
01:08:42,060 --> 01:08:43,780
I love this town.

723
01:08:44,380 --> 01:08:48,920
I was moved here when I was three years old.

724
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:51,640
I was here before McDonald's existed.

725
01:08:52,420 --> 01:08:57,180
And the stage coach Carnival had to move

726
01:08:57,180 --> 01:09:01,600
because of the fast food rush going in over there.

727
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:09,320
But this sounds great to clarify this stuff.

728
01:09:10,620 --> 01:09:18,180
But then again, data centers and best systems and ice facilities aside,

729
01:09:18,740 --> 01:09:23,180
I'm really sad that the city council bypassed you guys

730
01:09:23,180 --> 01:09:45,140
And pitted neighbor against neighbor, I know the city's desperate for cash right now, but I don't think screwing over the residents in that area, destroying their property values, to squeeze in, this huge, huge industrial project in there is the right thing for anyone.

731
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:59,980
I hope that development that's proper comes in there someday soon, but I think that if this whole land mass is blocked end with...

732
01:10:00,430 --> 01:10:10,550
Just this ugliness that people driving down the freeway are not going to want to pull off to take a piss, let alone go to a restaurant or anything.

733
01:10:10,650 --> 01:10:13,730
They're going to see the sea of warehouses and keep driving until they get to Palm Springs.

734
01:10:15,010 --> 01:10:15,370
So,

735
01:10:17,370 --> 01:10:20,910
that's about it. I hope things go the right way.

736
01:10:21,370 --> 01:10:28,550
Well, I don't want to say what's right or what's wrong. Somebody said that was on the wrong side, as well as a couple of people that are running for council.

737
01:10:28,550 --> 01:10:36,070
and it really pissed me off and I just hope the best for this

738
01:10:36,070 --> 01:10:37,630
town. Thank you.

739
01:10:42,830 --> 01:10:43,850
And name for the record?

740
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:48,540
Scott Reader. Thank you Mr. Reader.

741
01:10:53,650 --> 01:11:01,310
Chair, other planning commissioners? Yes. My name is Jerry Phelps. I was a

742
01:11:01,310 --> 01:11:11,370
a planning commissioner on the commission that denied that voted against the sunset crossroads.

743
01:11:14,030 --> 01:11:20,910
I do do not want to see where a house is, but even more than that I don't want to see

744
01:11:20,910 --> 01:11:23,530
data centers and ice detention centers.

745
01:11:24,150 --> 01:11:31,610
I think it would be horrific data centers cause medical problems that use up the water and

746
01:11:31,610 --> 01:11:34,430
cause the electric rates to go sky high.

747
01:11:35,050 --> 01:11:38,970
Ice detention centers would be ugly.

748
01:11:39,590 --> 01:11:44,210
I can't think of anything less desirable in this area.

749
01:11:45,450 --> 01:11:49,190
Nevertheless, the city council,

750
01:11:50,530 --> 01:11:54,310
with their eyes wide open, signed and agreement

751
01:11:54,890 --> 01:11:57,850
with those not with the ice detention centers,

752
01:11:57,850 --> 01:12:10,130
but with the data centers written in to the agreement and now you and the City Council wants to do something about that.

753
01:12:11,330 --> 01:12:20,810
Well, it's too late what you're doing is tweaking an ordinance, your tweaking ordinances on a referendum.

754
01:12:20,810 --> 01:12:34,420
And those referendum were qualified because they had enough valid signatures from the target,

755
01:12:36,340 --> 01:12:43,120
from the voters, and that ordinance, those ordinances are now suspended.

756
01:12:43,900 --> 01:12:48,000
You cannot tweak something that isn't.

757
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:55,360
I absolutely request that you do not go further with this.

758
01:12:55,600 --> 01:13:04,260
It's a mistake, I believe it's an issue, a legal issue for the City Council and I questioned

759
01:13:04,820 --> 01:13:11,100
just last week at the City Council meeting why their bills were so high and I think this

760
01:13:11,100 --> 01:13:14,040
is another bill for the City Council.

761
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:17,740
I feel terrible about this.

762
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:22,140
I would absolutely like to wipe away those data centers and

763
01:13:22,140 --> 01:13:23,540
ICE detention centers.

764
01:13:24,260 --> 01:13:25,780
But this is not the time.

765
01:13:26,500 --> 01:13:27,940
This is not the place.

766
01:13:28,580 --> 01:13:34,280
This is using your influence to influence the voters.

767
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:36,480
And I find that just applicable.

768
01:13:37,260 --> 01:13:38,200
Thank you.

769
01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:41,000
Thank you, Ms. Hose.

770
01:13:49,210 --> 01:13:50,250
My name is Fran.

771
01:13:50,250 --> 01:14:03,730
and I agree with Mr. McCart and just like to share with you why I moved here.

772
01:14:04,130 --> 01:14:11,250
18 years ago, my husband and I were looking for a house to retire to.

773
01:14:12,610 --> 01:14:15,470
It took us two years to find this place.

774
01:14:16,050 --> 01:14:18,770
I just thought it was a beautiful, beautiful place.

775
01:14:18,770 --> 01:14:22,050
I still think that it's a beautiful place.

776
01:14:23,030 --> 01:14:27,630
I have dedicated all those years since I've been here

777
01:14:27,630 --> 01:14:32,690
to being a volunteer and whatever I can be a volunteer.

778
01:14:34,210 --> 01:14:39,550
I volunteer for the banning chamber of commerce as an ambassador.

779
01:14:39,550 --> 01:14:48,190
And the last, in 2025, we were asked those ambassadors to come up with a project.

780
01:14:49,310 --> 01:14:59,110
And my project was for the mural that's on Ramsi and sixth street, the Stage Coach mural.

781
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:10,660
It was the one who brought it up to life and with the help with the banning chamber of commerce.

782
01:15:11,440 --> 01:15:18,620
I did the fundraising and everything and we hired an artist to do a put that mural.

783
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:26,920
On the side of the I-10 freeway, it says, the city of banning with endless opportunities.

784
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:34,300
I do not see this city being a mega warehouse with endless opportunities.

785
01:15:35,440 --> 01:15:44,540
This is a home town for many retirees and families with children to move to.

786
01:15:45,060 --> 01:15:53,940
So I beg all of you, each and every one of you, not to vote today.

787
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:59,620
this is not that they too vote. Thank you.

788
01:16:02,820 --> 01:16:03,520
Thank you. Thank you, Ms.

789
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:04,060
and Rodin.

790
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:12,740
Thank you, Mr. Stables.

791
01:16:17,050 --> 01:16:18,170
Would anyone else like to make public

792
01:16:18,170 --> 01:16:18,490
comment?

793
01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:36,580
Good evening. Thank you for lowering that so I can see them. My name is Tara

794
01:16:36,580 --> 01:16:43,640
Hegeo and I'm banning resident. I've spoken on this project many times and I've

795
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:54,520
that thousands of pages, and I have many concerns about this project, but this amendment

796
01:16:54,520 --> 01:17:03,400
specifically, I have concerns about, and I had two points coming into this, and it's

797
01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:06,960
expanded, so bear with me.

798
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:13,620
Before addressing my concerns, I wanted to point out that I

799
01:17:13,620 --> 01:17:21,100
item confusing, because the agenda, the proposed resolution and the staff report, do not appear

800
01:17:21,100 --> 01:17:27,160
to use consistent language regarding what the action the commission is being asked to take

801
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:34,820
tonight. What is affected by the referendum and the sequo determination that applies to it?

802
01:17:36,340 --> 01:17:40,220
My first, the first one is the referendum.

803
01:17:41,780 --> 01:17:45,240
If voters are being asked to decide whether these projects

804
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:49,260
approvals should take effect, why is the city changing

805
01:17:49,260 --> 01:17:52,100
part of the project's planning rules

806
01:17:52,100 --> 01:17:54,480
before the voters have made a decision?

807
01:17:55,900 --> 01:18:00,040
I'm asking the city to clearly explain the legal authority

808
01:18:00,500 --> 01:18:03,460
for moving forward with this amendment

809
01:18:03,460 --> 01:18:09,960
while the referendum is pending an exactly what action the planning commission is being asked

810
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:18,960
tonight. I'm asking this because when I looked up the information on the referendum and then

811
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:33,700
legalities of changing things, if any any part of the plan is tied to the referendum ordinances

812
01:18:34,900 --> 01:18:58,810
Amendments aren't allowed. That's the information I received. I could be incorrect, but I think that there's more clarity that needs to be had because there has, when in my research, I have not found any other case in regards to referendum law that states amendment can be made to a current referendum.

813
01:18:58,810 --> 01:19:10,040
I also asked the city to confirm that the November referendum will remain a vote on the ordinances as they were originally adopted.

814
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:20,280
And challenged by the referendum, not on a version of the project that has been changed during the referendum process.

815
01:19:21,620 --> 01:19:30,620
My second concern is in regards to CEQA. Tonight, the commission is being asked to determine

816
01:19:30,620 --> 01:19:36,580
that this particular change to the specific plan does not require additional environment

817
01:19:36,580 --> 01:19:43,560
to review under CEQA. I ask the city to clearly confirm that this determination applies

818
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:50,660
only to this specific amendment. And it is not a blanket exemption from

819
01:19:50,660 --> 01:19:56,300
sequo for the entire sunset crossroads project for future development. I'm

820
01:19:56,300 --> 01:19:59,360
adding this because it's not clear in the staff report.

821
01:20:00,370 --> 01:20:18,690
I also asked the city to confirm that the original EIR, its mitigation measures and its findings of significant and unavoidal impacts, excuse me, unavoidable impacts, remain in effects and applicable to the Sunset Crossroads project.

822
01:20:20,380 --> 01:20:24,540
These are all important distinctions in the decision you're making tonight.

823
01:20:27,630 --> 01:20:39,130
And the additional things that I have felt that needed clarification are in regards to definitions that we've discussed tonight.

824
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:52,200
In council meeting, the city council actually stated that they had never received a copy of the 3.1 before there are approval.

825
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:55,660
So what does that mean?

826
01:20:56,840 --> 01:20:59,040
We brought up the things about the data centers.

827
01:20:59,180 --> 01:21:01,740
We brought up the things about the ice detention centers.

828
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:05,280
So what else on here do we not clearly understand?

829
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:10,040
If you look at your screen, which is still up right now,

830
01:21:10,660 --> 01:21:14,100
under computer and electronic parts manufacturing and assembly,

831
01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:18,660
in the water board meeting last month,

832
01:21:20,130 --> 01:21:30,470
A presentation was made on the consumption of water and its effects in regards to data centers.

833
01:21:30,990 --> 01:21:36,350
In that discussion, we'll start up.

834
01:21:37,510 --> 01:21:38,130
Thank you.

835
01:21:38,130 --> 01:21:38,870
Thank you, Miss Angie.

836
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:53,320
Hi.

837
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:55,560
Shirley Hagey, yes, we're related.

838
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:57,220
Bailing resident.

839
01:21:58,820 --> 01:22:02,080
I would like you all to think about 10 years ago.

840
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:14,540
did you know what a data center was? Did any of us? This whole project has a 30-year life span.

841
01:22:15,980 --> 01:22:21,700
What you're being asked to vote on today has nothing to do with what somebody's going to dream up in five years,

842
01:22:21,700 --> 01:22:30,360
10 years, 30 years, the span of this development that could harm our city even more.

843
01:22:31,700 --> 01:22:40,220
So that's my concern, and you have been put in a terrible position I feel asking you

844
01:22:40,220 --> 01:22:46,020
to make this decision when there's a referendum out there where we know that the developers

845
01:22:46,020 --> 01:22:53,620
have already spent, who knows, millions of dollars, sending out emails and

846
01:22:53,620 --> 01:22:59,620
flyers, emails and flyers, not just in the mail, trying to get people to

847
01:22:59,620 --> 01:23:04,600
see only their side, not seeing the everyday citizens side.

848
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:11,140
Don't you think they're going to spend more money if you say, will it prove this and

849
01:23:11,140 --> 01:23:15,140
to say council two weeks before the election says,

850
01:23:15,480 --> 01:23:16,520
yeah, it's good.

851
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:18,100
If it gets approved, this is good.

852
01:23:18,220 --> 01:23:18,940
We'll be good.

853
01:23:20,460 --> 01:23:22,400
Is that really a good thing for us?

854
01:23:22,700 --> 01:23:25,180
Do you think they're not going to keep sending mailers out?

855
01:23:25,440 --> 01:23:27,880
Because they have a lot of money already invested,

856
01:23:28,700 --> 01:23:31,220
but we have the rest of our lives invested here.

857
01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:35,980
And many of you have many more years than I do to spend here.

858
01:23:36,140 --> 01:23:38,340
So I would like you to thank when you vote

859
01:23:38,340 --> 01:23:40,760
about your own personal integrity.

860
01:23:41,620 --> 01:23:42,620
That's all I ask.

861
01:23:45,460 --> 01:23:46,720
Thank you Mr. Good

862
01:24:06,460 --> 01:24:07,020
evening.

863
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:09,420
My name's Oscar District 4.

864
01:24:10,480 --> 01:24:14,520
Yeah, this was mentioned earlier, but this band also needs to use stay attached to the property

865
01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:16,280
no matter who owns it.

866
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:19,100
By Lisa's it or operates there in the future.

867
01:24:19,700 --> 01:24:23,220
I'd like that same restriction put in the development agreement of possible, so it isn't

868
01:24:23,220 --> 01:24:26,680
disappear if and when ownership changes.

869
01:24:27,620 --> 01:24:32,540
Another subject I'm bringing up, Manual Procedural Guidelines for the Conductive City Council,

870
01:24:33,060 --> 01:24:38,460
Section 7.4B, the purpose of the public comment period is that we see from the public,

871
01:24:38,460 --> 01:24:41,520
not to create a debate between the members and the public.

872
01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:45,340
Members should generally refrain from debating members of the public during the period of public comment,

873
01:24:45,780 --> 01:24:51,560
but if members desire to clarify comments by members of the public, they may ask factual questions

874
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:55,100
and if necessary should do so during the public comment period.

875
01:24:56,060 --> 01:24:56,740
You want me to clarify?

876
01:24:58,720 --> 01:24:59,860
No, okay, thank you guys.

877
01:25:01,780 --> 01:25:03,180
Thank you, Mr. Garcia.

878
01:25:13,020 --> 01:25:14,100
Any other public comment?

879
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:18,560
Any online?

880
01:25:21,480 --> 01:25:21,860
All right.

881
01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:26,380
Chair, I do have one more that I was supposed to mention during the presentation.

882
01:25:26,980 --> 01:25:32,000
We did receive an email earlier this afternoon with a letter from Mitchell's

883
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:37,980
sigh and Jeremy Herwitt, attorneys for western states regional council of

884
01:25:37,980 --> 01:25:44,640
Carpenters. I'll try to be brief on the short letter. Dear City Clerk on behalf of the Western

885
01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:51,580
States Regional Council of Carpenters, otherwise known as Western Carpenters, or WSRCC. My office

886
01:25:51,580 --> 01:25:55,640
is submitting these comments for the City of Banyng's Planning Commission meeting, addressing

887
01:25:55,640 --> 01:26:04,540
the sunset crossroads specific plan, SCH number 2021-02011, and agenda item 4.1 known as the

888
01:26:04,540 --> 01:26:11,060
projects. W-S-R-C-C would like to express its support for this project. After further reviewing

889
01:26:11,060 --> 01:26:16,680
this project, W-S-R-C-C believes that the project will benefit the environment and the local

890
01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:21,840
economy by practicing protocols that will protect worker health and safety and will incorporate

891
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:26,980
adequate environmental mitigation. Please feel free to contact my office if you have any additional

892
01:26:26,980 --> 01:26:33,660
questions or concern signed by Mitchell Sy and Jeremy Hurwick. That is all. Thank you, Mr. Staples.

893
01:26:33,660 --> 01:26:39,140
Can you tell us more about this firm and the the org that this firm is representing?

894
01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:45,330
I have no idea we just accepted the comment that they submitted in the email which is a slatter.

895
01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:49,240
Got it. Okay, so it's a firm representing.

896
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:54,440
Your attorneys for Western State's regional Council of Carpenters.

897
01:26:54,440 --> 01:27:02,260
a labor union, a labor union, a good guess, I'm not familiar with them.

898
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:03,100
Got it. Okay.

899
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:06,820
Jericho, Serena, each of you received a copy of that letter.

900
01:27:07,540 --> 01:27:10,400
Yeah, it was sent to us today a little bit after two PM, I believe.

901
01:27:11,440 --> 01:27:12,900
Yeah, just claim, fine.

902
01:27:13,420 --> 01:27:17,920
And then, is it appropriate for me to read in the email with the responses for the record as

903
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:19,180
well at this time?

904
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:22,460
Council.

905
01:27:28,790 --> 01:27:32,670
Are you referring to the email questions you we asked already in a more answered

906
01:27:32,670 --> 01:27:35,130
right now? Yes sir. That's already part of the record.

907
01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:40,760
I would like to read the answers and the

908
01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:50,420
we have the answers to the questions. Mr. Chair, I appreciate you Mr. Bassie. So just for transparency

909
01:27:50,420 --> 01:27:56,960
for everyone here in the room at home, I did, as I mentioned, send in questions on August 20th. So I'll

910
01:27:56,960 --> 01:28:02,120
read you by questions with the subsequent responses from City staff as well. Just so we're on the same

911
01:28:02,120 --> 01:28:08,300
page here. So, hi, Matt. It was nice seeing you at the budget workshop, Tuesday evening.

912
01:28:08,500 --> 01:28:15,820
A head of the September 2nd hearing on SPA 26-001. I wanted to reach out with a few questions

913
01:28:15,820 --> 01:28:19,140
that may be helpful to address an advance to the commission and public have a clear

914
01:28:19,140 --> 01:28:24,520
understanding of the proposed changes. Would it be possible for staff for the staff report

915
01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:30,620
to show the current table 3-1 language alongside the proposed changes and include the applicant

916
01:28:30,620 --> 01:28:35,060
application materials in any written rationale to the amendment, the response.

917
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:41,300
The changes to table 3-1 are in red text and in the attached exhibit to the resolution.

918
01:28:41,900 --> 01:28:44,800
The rationale for the amendment is in the staff report.

919
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:51,180
It was clear to the developer that IST attention facilities and data centers were not wanted

920
01:28:51,180 --> 01:28:58,420
in the Sunset Crossroads area and to limit battery energy storage systems best as ancillary

921
01:28:58,420 --> 01:29:05,160
It used, meaning not a standalone, except where required by the California Building Code.

922
01:29:06,520 --> 01:29:06,580
Question.

923
01:29:07,260 --> 01:29:10,500
I'd also appreciate some clarification on the best record.

924
01:29:11,020 --> 01:29:18,880
The 2023 draft, DIR Section 4.6, page 4.6, 6 to 13, refers to a 65-megawat best,

925
01:29:19,340 --> 01:29:25,640
while the September 10th, 2025 planning commission staff report page 4 refers to a proposed 65-megawat per hour

926
01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:29,760
it best. Since megawatt and megawatt per hour measure different things, it could

927
01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:34,920
staff help explain how these references relate and where this specific 65 figure came from,

928
01:29:35,780 --> 01:29:43,060
answer or response. The megawatt of megawatt per hour are interchangeable. It doesn't really

929
01:29:43,060 --> 01:29:49,640
matter given that this standalone use is not allowed. Question, it would also be helpful to

930
01:29:49,640 --> 01:29:55,060
better understand how the three proposed prohibited uses are being defined, particularly data center,

931
01:29:55,060 --> 01:29:58,340
battery energy storage system and ice detention facility.

932
01:29:58,840 --> 01:29:59,960
For Best, I'm Curious.

933
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:09,040
This is whether the prohibition is intended only for a standalone facility. We can also affect onsite battery systems serving and otherwise permitted use.

934
01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:17,740
For the detention facility language, it would be also helpful to understand exactly what type of use the prohibited language is intended to cover.

935
01:30:18,860 --> 01:30:27,060
The response, there are no definitions proposed with the code amendment, as they will be prohibited, uses no matter how they may or may not be defined.

936
01:30:27,060 --> 01:30:43,500
You're correct that any standalone best system would be prohibited within Sunset Crossroads specific plan area over a commercial or industrial building may seek to have back up battery storage systems as required slash allowed by state wall and the California building code

937
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:46,020
Two more questions y'all. Thanks for

938
01:30:46,020 --> 01:30:55,400
You marine me could staff slash council also hope explain in simple terms whether these restrictions would apply to future property owners and

939
01:30:55,400 --> 01:30:59,480
what process would be required to change them later, including how the development agreement

940
01:30:59,480 --> 01:31:01,140
affects that response.

941
01:31:01,700 --> 01:31:03,900
The DA is not relevant in the SBA.

942
01:31:04,260 --> 01:31:09,120
Specific plans can be amended at any time by any one current or future.

943
01:31:09,640 --> 01:31:15,360
The PC slash CC, the planning commission slash city council, would have the approval authority

944
01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:16,960
on all future amendments.

945
01:31:18,480 --> 01:31:22,300
Last question, if possible, I'd appreciate having these issues addressed in the staff report

946
01:31:22,300 --> 01:31:26,620
or supporting materials, so the full commission and public of this information before hearing

947
01:31:26,620 --> 01:31:31,200
responds to your questions won't be in the staff report, but you may ask during the public hearing

948
01:31:31,200 --> 01:31:36,800
as that is the protocol. So those are the questions and answers that were asked prior,

949
01:31:37,340 --> 01:31:40,320
and I just wanted to enter those into the record for full transparency.

950
01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:42,800
Okay.

951
01:31:45,020 --> 01:31:48,260
So it would be appropriate

952
01:31:48,260 --> 01:31:53,360
to allow the applicant to respond to anything at this time?

953
01:31:54,820 --> 01:31:57,720
You know, the applicant can respond to some of the comments

954
01:31:57,720 --> 01:31:58,800
that were made.

955
01:31:59,740 --> 01:32:01,960
I think it's important to note that the amendment

956
01:32:02,480 --> 01:32:04,560
is related to these prohibited uses,

957
01:32:05,260 --> 01:32:07,560
and the comments made about the project in general,

958
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:12,620
in the past, we're not relevant to this amendment by itself.

959
01:32:13,300 --> 01:32:16,700
So the answer should be focused on the questions related

960
01:32:16,700 --> 01:32:18,500
to the SPA.

961
01:32:22,760 --> 01:32:24,200
Okay. Thank you, Mr. Bassie.

962
01:32:27,680 --> 01:32:28,100
Mr.

963
01:32:30,160 --> 01:32:30,580
Schrieg.

964
01:32:32,780 --> 01:32:36,980
Schrieg? I'm sorry. If you could, Mr. Schrieg.

965
01:32:37,220 --> 01:32:39,960
Joel Schrieg. Right. Okay. I apologize. Thank you.

966
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:45,920
What would you like me to respond to? With respect to the amendment?

967
01:32:47,340 --> 01:32:54,300
Well, if you'd like to address anything that I was stated, we are in the opportunity.

968
01:32:54,300 --> 01:32:59,340
We are not. I said it before. I'll say it again today. We're not pursuing data centers.

969
01:33:00,140 --> 01:33:05,420
Ice detention facilities or jails or any sort of things or standalone bus systems.

970
01:33:06,920 --> 01:33:09,080
It just we're prohibiting that with this. It's pretty simple.

971
01:33:09,940 --> 01:33:16,240
And this was based off of I think it was mentioned public comment and feedback that you all received during

972
01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:23,380
listening sessions. Correct. Yep. Correct. We heard clear feedback from the community and

973
01:33:23,380 --> 01:33:31,080
These were three areas that they were concerned about, and so we submitted this to the city to

974
01:33:31,080 --> 01:33:36,720
formally process this amendment to prohibit those. So this was in line with that now.

975
01:33:37,780 --> 01:33:48,940
I got it. And why did we go down to, I believe it was the best, what do we not have, I

976
01:33:48,940 --> 01:33:52,880
How did you all get to ICE detention facilities specifically?

977
01:33:53,340 --> 01:33:56,440
That was named specifically by the community as concern.

978
01:33:57,280 --> 01:34:01,360
God, and I guess because it's so particular,

979
01:34:01,760 --> 01:34:03,400
that is that why we don't have a definition,

980
01:34:03,620 --> 01:34:07,760
or why you all didn't provide a definition for it?

981
01:34:08,060 --> 01:34:08,240
Correct.

982
01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:09,840
Okay.

983
01:34:12,020 --> 01:34:14,280
So if you wouldn't like to address any our commissioners,

984
01:34:14,460 --> 01:34:17,320
if you all haven't any questions for it?

985
01:34:19,010 --> 01:34:20,650
All right, thank you, Mr.

986
01:34:24,920 --> 01:34:27,200
Shrink, S-E-H-R-E-N-K.

987
01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:27,940
Oh my gosh.

988
01:34:30,410 --> 01:34:31,970
Mr. Shrink, I wanted to say Shrink.

989
01:34:32,910 --> 01:34:34,250
I kept coming to mind.

990
01:34:35,530 --> 01:34:36,030
It's a great movie.

991
01:34:37,950 --> 01:34:38,910
Thank you for that.

992
01:34:40,230 --> 01:34:43,410
And our commissioners are there any factual questions to staff

993
01:34:44,330 --> 01:34:49,390
that you would like to ask for we close public.

994
01:34:49,390 --> 01:34:51,630
Are the public hearing?

995
01:34:52,490 --> 01:34:52,550
No?

996
01:34:52,550 --> 01:34:54,470
Okay, I

997
01:35:07,770 --> 01:35:11,250
So I was just wanting to clarify, when you're saying factual,

998
01:35:13,430 --> 01:35:24,530
because I did have some questions for the staff, and response to some of the questions that were asked by the public, but I wanted to ensure that I'm asking within that.

999
01:35:24,530 --> 01:35:31,470
Yeah, also could you share I would close the public hearing and then you can deliver it in ask us questions and then we're

1000
01:35:31,470 --> 01:35:38,070
We were respond to the questions that I can to the best my ability. That was asked by the public

1001
01:35:39,770 --> 01:35:43,030
We have no more public comment on online

1002
01:35:43,030 --> 01:35:50,630
I'm here. Okay with sing no more speakers. I now close the public hearing at 7 0 8 p.m

1003
01:35:51,270 --> 01:35:56,870
No further public testimony may be received unless the hearing is formally reopened.

1004
01:35:57,670 --> 01:36:07,510
I would like to allow us to all process all of the public comment if we could take a ten-minute

1005
01:36:07,510 --> 01:36:08,810
recess to use the restroom.

1006
01:36:09,330 --> 01:36:14,290
I am prepared to respond to the questions first before you decide to take a break.

1007
01:36:16,050 --> 01:36:20,750
Commissioner, how do you feel? Would you like to take a break before or after the responses?

1008
01:36:27,040 --> 01:36:31,520
So we're going to go from back to front as best as I can.

1009
01:36:32,220 --> 01:36:35,480
One of the speaker's asked about the original EIR.

1010
01:36:36,940 --> 01:36:42,900
The original Certified EIR is still in effect and will be indefinitely.

1011
01:36:43,420 --> 01:36:47,420
All the mitigation measures adopted, including the save and board writing considerations,

1012
01:36:47,420 --> 01:36:55,000
operations are in full force and effect regardless of this SPA amendment and the referendum.

1013
01:36:57,220 --> 01:37:02,280
I'm going to turn real quick to city attorney to he already answered this in the beginning.

1014
01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:08,660
Regarding legal authority to move forward with this SPA, so Bob, if you could just comment

1015
01:37:08,660 --> 01:37:10,780
on that, then I'll go back to the other questions.

1016
01:37:12,130 --> 01:37:18,450
No, being able to file the SBA and move forward with it, even though the reference.

1017
01:37:19,770 --> 01:37:20,070
Right.

1018
01:37:20,790 --> 01:37:30,590
So just to reiterate, under the Beaumont Municipal Code, the applicant does have big burden?

1019
01:37:31,770 --> 01:37:33,510
I'm sorry, banning.

1020
01:37:34,330 --> 01:37:40,890
Municipal Code, the applicant does have the authorization to file an application.

1021
01:37:40,890 --> 01:37:49,130
and they did do that, and staff has a duty to process that application, which they did,

1022
01:37:49,730 --> 01:37:56,230
and then they have presented it to the Planning Commission as is their duty.

1023
01:37:56,870 --> 01:38:03,830
And then I'd like to read from the Banning Municipal Code. Got it right that time.

1024
01:38:03,830 --> 01:38:16,790
17.96.040 says that the planning commission shall make a written recommendation on the proposed specific plan, whether to approve,

1025
01:38:16,790 --> 01:38:25,790
approve and modified form, or disapprove, based upon the findings contained in Section 1796.060.

1026
01:38:32,140 --> 01:38:43,280
Section 2.28.050 duties and responsibilities states in pertinent part, the planning commission

1027
01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:51,860
scope of responsibility is to prepare, review, adopt, and recommend to the city council

1028
01:38:51,860 --> 01:38:58,060
for its adoption of special areas of specific plans for identifiable areas where in more

1029
01:38:58,060 --> 01:39:03,900
detailed guidelines are needed to supplement the objectives of the general plan.

1030
01:39:04,900 --> 01:39:11,820
So I think the import of these provisions is that the job of the planning commission this

1031
01:39:11,820 --> 01:39:25,020
evening is to recommend approval or disapproval or approval with modifications in a modified

1032
01:39:25,020 --> 01:39:25,680
form.

1033
01:39:25,680 --> 01:39:35,440
So that is your job this evening, I think that covers it, is that what you had in mind?

1034
01:39:36,060 --> 01:39:36,280
Okay.

1035
01:39:36,740 --> 01:39:36,980
Thank you.

1036
01:39:37,100 --> 01:39:37,820
Thanks Bob.

1037
01:39:39,120 --> 01:39:42,900
Also, I wanted to comment there was a question about the secret determination.

1038
01:39:44,460 --> 01:39:51,500
It does apply the decision on the 15183 applies to just the specific plan amendment.

1039
01:39:52,060 --> 01:39:59,980
The certified EIRs, I mentioned, is still in full force and effect, and there will be no attempt to exempt feet, you know.

1040
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:09,360
The SPA, the specific plan is approved, so the 15183 determination is specific to this amendment.

1041
01:40:09,860 --> 01:40:18,660
In fact, that way our prohibiting uses reduces any impacts that could have resulted from those uses if they were allowed.

1042
01:40:19,840 --> 01:40:26,540
So the impacts or less than what was originally evaluated in the certified EIR.

1043
01:40:27,240 --> 01:40:31,180
So the 15183 provision is acceptable.

1044
01:40:31,760 --> 01:40:33,620
It's according to SQL statutes.

1045
01:40:34,780 --> 01:40:36,980
In the event that that's not enough,

1046
01:40:37,880 --> 01:40:42,860
the commission could make a recommendation as part of their decision tonight

1047
01:40:42,860 --> 01:40:46,800
that we could adopt the 15061 B3 exemption.

1048
01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:50,660
in a general rule exemption that this project,

1049
01:40:50,780 --> 01:40:55,020
this amendment has no ability to impact the environment,

1050
01:40:55,420 --> 01:40:56,780
since we're prohibiting uses.

1051
01:40:57,380 --> 01:41:00,020
Nothing new is being developed under this specific

1052
01:41:00,020 --> 01:41:00,740
pun amendment.

1053
01:41:01,380 --> 01:41:05,260
Everything again is covered by the original certified EIR.

1054
01:41:05,960 --> 01:41:08,500
So we could use that one as well if we wanted.

1055
01:41:10,180 --> 01:41:10,880
Sure, go ahead.

1056
01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:21,220
So, I'd also like to comment on the original exemption, which is, do you have it under there?

1057
01:41:21,860 --> 01:41:22,420
What's the number?

1058
01:41:24,700 --> 01:41:25,460
No, the original.

1059
01:41:27,110 --> 01:41:35,860
So under 15183, that's an exemption or the project is consistent with the general plan and the specific plan.

1060
01:41:35,860 --> 01:41:45,720
And as we know, some people have argued that well, those aren't, in effect, although they were adopted by resolution,

1061
01:41:47,960 --> 01:42:00,600
the fact is that this isn't going to go into effect tonight either, so if it does go into effect, it will be consistent with the general plan in the specific plan.

1062
01:42:00,600 --> 01:42:30,360
So, that exemption applies and then the exemption that Mr. Bassie was talking about is the common sense exemption which says that the activity is covered by the common sense exemption that seek what applies only to projects which have the potential for causing a significant effect on the environment where it can be seen with certainty there is no possibility that the activity in question may have a significant effect on the environment.

1063
01:42:30,600 --> 01:42:58,140
The activity is not subject to sequa, and that's guidelines section 1, 506, 1, sub B, sub 3, you know, by removing potential uses from a specific plan, you know, the impact is actually diminished and there is no impact from removing something

1064
01:42:58,140 --> 01:43:10,600
removing a use. So, those two exemptions are both available and that will be under consideration tonight.

1065
01:43:15,150 --> 01:43:28,650
Thank you, Bob. The other question that came up was relative to, you know,

1066
01:43:28,650 --> 01:43:36,710
Bob Bansard that, in terms of the definitions, the specific client does not have a list of definitions,

1067
01:43:38,610 --> 01:43:44,270
the information and the uses there are pretty self-explanatory, self-defined, but if the

1068
01:43:44,270 --> 01:43:49,490
commission wants to make as part of his recommendation council, we should provide some more

1069
01:43:49,490 --> 01:43:54,650
specific definitions between now and the council meeting staff can do that and that will be

1070
01:43:54,650 --> 01:43:58,290
to the Staff Report for Council consideration in October.

1071
01:44:01,730 --> 01:44:07,330
Another comments were not really related to the specific kind of amendment, general concerns

1072
01:44:07,330 --> 01:44:13,330
about the project and the election, but those are the comments that I have that I can answer.

1073
01:44:21,640 --> 01:44:27,340
Let's take a 5 minute recess and we'll come back at 7, 7, 7, 20, 7, 20, 3.

1074
01:58:15,340 --> 01:58:21,420
Every one, we're going to call the meeting back to order at 7, 31 p.

1075
01:58:25,720 --> 01:58:29,780
and I believe we're going to commission discussion.

1076
01:58:30,280 --> 01:58:36,940
Yes, before you do that chair, we do want to respond to one other comment that I did not regard a cold storage.

1077
01:58:37,760 --> 01:58:40,340
Mark is going to tackle that real quick.

1078
01:58:41,300 --> 01:58:47,100
Thank you. One comment that was brought up during the public hearing was regarding a cold storage.

1079
01:58:47,100 --> 01:58:53,020
And that was an item that was discussed during the sense of the Crossroads specific plan and discussion.

1080
01:58:53,840 --> 01:59:00,420
And I have on the screen here, you'll see someone in middle to upper part of the table, ice and cold storage.

1081
01:59:01,140 --> 01:59:05,320
It is listed as permitted under the industrial zone, which is on the far right.

1082
01:59:05,860 --> 01:59:08,420
But during the review process,

1083
01:59:10,720 --> 01:59:13,460
back March of 26 and before,

1084
01:59:13,460 --> 01:59:24,100
The DA was revised to include section 3.14.17 which does prohibit cold storage uses in the specific plan area.

1085
01:59:26,040 --> 01:59:34,480
So the DA was utilized to make the amendments per council direction, planning commission direction for things like this.

1086
01:59:34,480 --> 01:59:39,300
And this is the one area, if you recall, commissioners castrated a Marshall.

1087
01:59:39,900 --> 01:59:45,440
There was an area that was planned to be industrial, that is going to be changed to General

1088
01:59:45,440 --> 01:59:47,660
Commercials should everything proceed forward.

1089
01:59:48,060 --> 01:59:51,220
And that was the area that was planned to be a cold storage location.

1090
01:59:52,100 --> 01:59:59,820
And North Point agreed at that time to prohibit cold storage in the DA, but the commission.

1091
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:25,200
So I can add this as a recommendation to council to change the tables well along with the other three uses, should whoever make the motion this evening to move this forward. So whoever does do that, if you want, you can add the fourth revision here, which would be to have the ice and cold storage permitted use to prohibited on table 3-1.

1092
02:00:25,200 --> 02:00:36,260
Thank you, Mr. Staples, and really quick, I just want to say that that was a lot of information

1093
02:00:37,200 --> 02:00:42,060
and a wonderful public comment from all of you, regardless of what's out of the issue you're on.

1094
02:00:42,500 --> 02:00:45,940
It's very important that you use your voice and you come out here, so it's very commendable.

1095
02:00:46,180 --> 02:00:50,900
From the planning commission to you all, thank you very deeply.

1096
02:00:51,800 --> 02:00:59,020
With that being said, our commission, oh, there is one thing to, I think we discovered

1097
02:00:59,020 --> 02:01:08,980
that we can ask factual follow-up questions to our residents during public, public hearing.

1098
02:01:10,140 --> 02:01:12,440
So I want to take accountability for that.

1099
02:01:12,580 --> 02:01:17,020
We should have went in to recess to clarify that, so we did the public hearing correctly.

1100
02:01:17,020 --> 02:01:20,900
on up to that and moving forward, we'll slow things down.

1101
02:01:21,600 --> 02:01:26,540
There's no need for us to rush this process, as we know, these are really important decisions.

1102
02:01:28,380 --> 02:01:34,020
So it's important for us to note that we do have that ability and we can just slow it down,

1103
02:01:34,100 --> 02:01:37,260
so we fully understand and do the process correctly.

1104
02:01:37,260 --> 02:01:49,980
All right, do my fellow commissioners have any factual follow-up questions for staff or the applicant before we close public hearing?

1105
02:01:52,970 --> 02:01:59,030
I'm sorry chair, you've already closed the public hearing, so you're in commission discussion deliberation.

1106
02:01:59,250 --> 02:02:01,250
Mr. Bassett, thank you. Wonderful, okay.

1107
02:02:02,230 --> 02:02:04,690
That's right, before we went to recess. Wonderful.

1108
02:02:04,690 --> 02:02:06,510
So, the public hearing is closed.

1109
02:02:06,790 --> 02:02:09,310
We will now discuss the items as a commission.

1110
02:02:10,270 --> 02:02:12,650
Please connect your comments to the proposed language,

1111
02:02:12,890 --> 02:02:16,670
the environmental determination, and the four required findings.

1112
02:02:19,820 --> 02:02:21,320
And so, the four findings.

1113
02:02:22,080 --> 02:02:23,600
I have them here in Simple Terms to Council.

1114
02:02:23,700 --> 02:02:26,420
Please correct me or add any additions.

1115
02:02:26,860 --> 02:02:28,200
The four findings that we need to meet,

1116
02:02:28,240 --> 02:02:31,180
the amendment number one, the amendment agrees with the general plan.

1117
02:02:31,440 --> 02:02:33,420
Two, it will not harm public health safety welfare.

1118
02:02:33,420 --> 02:02:38,440
the environment three the properties physically suitable and four the resulting development will be

1119
02:02:38,440 --> 02:02:40,660
compatible with the surrounding area.

1120
02:02:43,200 --> 02:02:46,820
So commissioners discussion on what we have before us

1121
02:02:47,780 --> 02:02:49,260
and are any questions.

1122
02:02:55,190 --> 02:03:00,210
I'd like to make a motion. I'd like to move that we approve specific plan

1123
02:03:00,210 --> 02:03:09,350
amendment number 26-001 by NP banning industrial LLC for the Sunset Crossroads

1124
02:03:09,350 --> 02:03:17,050
specific plan, and that we include removing the permit for cold storage in

1125
02:03:17,050 --> 02:03:20,310
intersection 3-1 as market suggested.

1126
02:03:20,870 --> 02:03:25,150
I'd like to make a substitute motion to continue.

1127
02:03:25,930 --> 02:03:30,210
because the language still remains unclear on these uses.

1128
02:03:32,050 --> 02:03:36,150
So, yeah, I'd like the motion to make a substitute motion to continue.

1129
02:03:37,290 --> 02:03:41,150
The hearing to our next planning commission meeting,

1130
02:03:44,070 --> 02:03:47,070
so staff can return with clear language addressing the best

1131
02:03:47,070 --> 02:03:51,430
designation, definitions, units, and units.

1132
02:03:57,460 --> 02:04:04,240
So, to the other three commissioners, you can choose which motion you want to second to move forward.

1133
02:04:05,560 --> 02:04:11,360
I believe they would be seconding my substitute motion because it's stacked on top of the motion prior.

1134
02:04:11,840 --> 02:04:15,700
Well, if there's silence on your motion, then it wouldn't move forward.

1135
02:04:21,480 --> 02:04:23,080
I will second the first motion.

1136
02:04:29,180 --> 02:04:31,620
Second, on Mr. Castorina's motion.

1137
02:04:39,780 --> 02:04:40,700
Okay, yeah.

1138
02:04:40,700 --> 02:04:41,800
Shkasturina?

1139
02:04:44,640 --> 02:04:45,920
Uh, roll call?

1140
02:04:49,680 --> 02:04:50,560
Jerkasturina?

1141
02:04:51,220 --> 02:04:51,960
No.

1142
02:04:53,360 --> 02:04:54,140
Commissioner Evans?

1143
02:04:55,020 --> 02:04:55,240
Yes.

1144
02:04:56,180 --> 02:04:57,680
Commissioner Light and A.

1145
02:04:58,340 --> 02:04:59,860
Yes. Commissioner Marshall.

1146
02:05:02,680 --> 02:05:03,460
All right,

1147
02:05:05,510 --> 02:05:07,350
motion passes.

1148
02:05:10,700 --> 02:05:19,490
So now we move on to five, which is announcements and reports, five point one, the directors are bored.

1149
02:05:20,790 --> 02:05:24,350
Thank you, Chair. Just a couple of items I want to bring to your attention.

1150
02:05:25,830 --> 02:05:32,910
On your dios I gave you a booklet that was prepared by our city attorney's office on the Brown Act.

1151
02:05:32,910 --> 02:05:39,910
some excellent information. If you're bored during the day, please read that and you'll

1152
02:05:39,910 --> 02:05:46,130
become more familiar with the Brown Act and everything that's in there. It's a good

1153
02:05:46,130 --> 02:05:52,310
information that I think the commission would benefit from, especially our new commissioners

1154
02:05:52,310 --> 02:05:58,670
that haven't had a full education process on the Brown Act, so that's real helpful. The

1155
02:05:58,670 --> 02:06:28,290
Another item I want to bring to your attention is the Planning Commission Symposium that's being opened up by the Southern California BIA, it's a free symposium, it's pretty much like a one day conference, down in Irvine, I believe Commissioner Evans you responded and are registered to go already, so the other four, I think this would be an excellent opportunity if you can get off work to go to this, it's free.

1156
02:06:28,670 --> 02:06:43,510
We do not have any money in the budget for commission training going into this current fiscal year 2627, so any time that we can attend some of these, or you guys can attend some of these that are free, it's very, very helpful.

1157
02:06:43,750 --> 02:06:52,110
I think the topics, welcome and commissioners role, the land use hierarchy, zoning and development standards.

1158
02:06:52,110 --> 02:06:56,470
So the vision map act basics and development agreements explained.

1159
02:06:57,250 --> 02:07:01,490
I think there will be a real great opportunity as well as

1160
02:07:01,490 --> 02:07:03,930
Sequo basics that they'll be talking about as well.

1161
02:07:05,110 --> 02:07:08,710
Please, in the email that I sent you with this information,

1162
02:07:09,350 --> 02:07:13,330
you'll need to contact via email or phone call to BIA.

1163
02:07:14,070 --> 02:07:20,190
The gal that is taken registration responded to Commissioner Evans.

1164
02:07:20,190 --> 02:07:31,050
So, you can email her, she was included in there as a copy on that email and she'll be able to get you set up and that's all I have.

1165
02:07:31,570 --> 02:07:31,750
All right.

1166
02:07:32,230 --> 02:07:33,070
Thank you, Mr. Vassie.

1167
02:07:33,590 --> 02:07:36,490
Now, we'll move on to 5.2 commissioner reports.

1168
02:07:37,490 --> 02:07:41,630
I will hear a brief from commissioners and community announcements.

1169
02:07:43,790 --> 02:07:44,390
Commissioners?

1170
02:07:49,220 --> 02:07:50,800
All right.

1171
02:07:51,340 --> 02:07:53,040
I have a few here.

1172
02:07:53,040 --> 02:07:58,740
So, a discover banning, which is a passive experience from the past community foundation.

1173
02:08:00,020 --> 02:08:06,360
A civic experience will be beginning September 11th at Stage Coach Days.

1174
02:08:06,720 --> 02:08:10,240
We'll be getting behind the scenes tour as well.

1175
02:08:11,360 --> 02:08:19,080
And Stage Coach Days is from Friday, a September 11th and Saturday, a September 12th at AC Dice Art Equestrian Park.

1176
02:08:19,080 --> 02:08:24,020
Gates opened at 5 p.m., the rodeo begins at 7 p.m., and Saturday's downtown parade

1177
02:08:24,020 --> 02:08:31,020
of 4 sage coach days begins at 10 a.m. There's the free Marango Thunder in Lightning Palo,

1178
02:08:31,180 --> 02:08:37,380
which runs September 25th through the 27th in Caveson, all bay event in its free.

1179
02:08:38,240 --> 02:08:44,280
There's the downtown art walk, which is Saturday, September 26th from 1 to 4 p.m., followed by

1180
02:08:44,280 --> 02:08:47,300
Saturday evening farmer's market, which

1181
02:08:47,300 --> 02:08:51,580
started 5 PM. So go to that so we can make sure it keeps

1182
02:08:51,580 --> 02:08:56,580
happening. Commissioner Evans? I just wanted to know where can we find that

1183
02:08:56,580 --> 02:08:59,340
information because I haven't seen any of that

1184
02:08:59,340 --> 02:09:04,020
publicized or yeah I'm like if I don't

1185
02:09:04,020 --> 02:09:07,000
here and here I literally don't

1186
02:09:07,000 --> 02:09:11,020
getting in any of that information. Yeah it's a tough one right because

1187
02:09:11,020 --> 02:09:16,220
We talked about this last month, too. It's a chronic issue. I wouldn't

1188
02:09:16,220 --> 02:09:21,580
employ us all to get into any Facebook, like social media groups, follow the

1189
02:09:21,580 --> 02:09:29,580
local organizations that are in town too, that post these fires. If we get a PIO of a

1190
02:09:29,580 --> 02:09:31,660
home out here.

1191
02:09:33,670 --> 02:09:37,210
Public information officer. Thank you. Public information officer

1192
02:09:37,210 --> 02:09:40,510
the handles, the outflow of communications information for our

1193
02:09:40,510 --> 02:09:40,710
community.

1194
02:09:42,730 --> 02:09:45,470
This would be a lot more robust and easier for us. We

1195
02:09:45,470 --> 02:09:49,310
don't have that right now. If there's anyone out there that wants to

1196
02:09:49,310 --> 02:09:53,750
create an app alongside the city to put all of these in one place, that'll

1197
02:09:53,750 --> 02:09:57,450
be wonderful. But again, just follow these as many of the local orgs as

1198
02:09:57,450 --> 02:09:59,990
possible. I guess the tip and trip would be to...

1199
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:08,140
To go to a local organization, social profile and see who they follow and then just follow them and you'll get them fly directly.

1200
02:10:09,440 --> 02:10:14,400
Yeah, I try to keep social media is a lot.

1201
02:10:14,680 --> 02:10:19,720
Something. Yeah. We got to get better with that. Yeah, it's difficult.

1202
02:10:21,100 --> 02:10:29,420
Staff is there anything that we can do to not just in planning department, but I guess share amongst other departments.

1203
02:10:29,420 --> 02:10:31,620
with events and stuff.

1204
02:10:31,900 --> 02:10:39,840
The only thing I could recommend is our Parks Department does handle a lot of the special event permits that happen at DICEART Park and parade and all that.

1205
02:10:40,720 --> 02:10:48,400
So, again, follow them as best you can and any of the social media sites with them and then the actual stage coach who is a group.

1206
02:10:50,200 --> 02:10:51,120
Thank you, Mr. Staples.

1207
02:10:52,700 --> 02:10:52,860
Okay.

1208
02:10:54,580 --> 02:10:55,420
Maybe I'll work on something.

1209
02:10:56,640 --> 02:11:02,720
The Downtown Banning Art Walk is Saturday, September 26, from 1 to 4 p.m., their social

1210
02:11:02,720 --> 02:11:05,520
media is Downtown Banning, I believe.

1211
02:11:07,720 --> 02:11:10,460
And then that's the farmer's market right after that.

1212
02:11:10,660 --> 02:11:15,080
Blue Zones has helped put that on along with the Farm to Fork, our local business.

1213
02:11:15,820 --> 02:11:21,460
The Banning Library Children's Book Club is going to be discussing Mahikid, our Mexican,

1214
02:11:21,460 --> 02:11:25,820
on Tuesday, September 29th, at 3 p.m. at the Banning Library.

1215
02:11:26,600 --> 02:11:31,020
Supervisor with Dietta's Office, that's our county supervisor for District 5, is going to

1216
02:11:31,020 --> 02:11:34,940
continue their free monthly drive-through produce distributions.

1217
02:11:36,580 --> 02:11:42,640
You can check his District 5 website, I don't have the next day to actually on here.

1218
02:11:44,740 --> 02:11:55,080
Now I do get his publication because I actually, I guess because I'm registered voter and so I get those in my email.

1219
02:11:56,680 --> 02:11:57,360
One of those.

1220
02:11:57,360 --> 02:12:00,880
That's usually the second week of each month on Wednesdays.

1221
02:12:00,960 --> 02:12:01,320
I believe.

1222
02:12:01,740 --> 02:12:02,660
Do you have the date?

1223
02:12:02,960 --> 02:12:03,260
I don't.

1224
02:12:04,280 --> 02:12:04,760
No worries.

1225
02:12:07,360 --> 02:12:10,580
And that is it for my report.

1226
02:12:11,860 --> 02:12:15,260
Anything coming to one for events or anything?

1227
02:12:15,900 --> 02:12:21,200
Okay. All right. We will move on to item six items for future agendas.

1228
02:12:25,150 --> 02:12:25,830
Commissioners.

1229
02:12:30,370 --> 02:12:35,490
So at the August 5th meeting, I asked for status update on the citywide

1230
02:12:35,490 --> 02:12:40,450
amendment addressing data centers, ice detention facilities, and battery energy storage systems.

1231
02:12:40,450 --> 02:12:49,210
Um, not only with sunset crossroads, so, uh, yeah, I just wanted to status update on that.

1232
02:12:52,840 --> 02:12:56,220
So we don't have any specific direction from council yet on those items.

1233
02:12:57,180 --> 02:13:00,140
Um, a side note is we in the near future will be, uh,

1234
02:13:00,140 --> 02:13:03,640
Mending the commercial industrial section of the code, but that's a couple months away.

1235
02:13:14,990 --> 02:13:20,170
And then for, like, for us to explore, strengthen our land use is,

1236
02:13:23,690 --> 02:13:23,690
uh,

1237
02:13:23,690 --> 02:13:30,410
a comment that said, as developments becomes more dynamic and grows in the future, it might

1238
02:13:30,410 --> 02:13:39,610
look different from what it is now. What authority do we have as a planning commission to explore,

1239
02:13:39,710 --> 02:13:44,550
you know, asking, you know, we ask to agendais this to explore this, is it just solely we have to wait

1240
02:13:44,550 --> 02:13:51,010
for the city council to give direction for us to study it? I'm just trying to demystify this,

1241
02:13:51,010 --> 02:13:53,910
So I'm understanding, go

1242
02:13:57,500 --> 02:13:57,840
ahead, council.

1243
02:13:58,580 --> 02:14:02,320
Okay, it just so happens that I have in front of me,

1244
02:14:02,420 --> 02:14:09,100
bending municipal code 2.28.050 of the bending municipal code.

1245
02:14:09,120 --> 02:14:16,480
And I quoted from this earlier, I quoted just a specific section,

1246
02:14:16,560 --> 02:14:17,680
but I can read the entirety.

1247
02:14:18,520 --> 02:14:27,080
So, um, Subsection C says the Planning Commission's scope of responsibility is to prepare

1248
02:14:27,080 --> 02:14:32,120
review adopt and recommend to the City Council for its adoption, a long-range comprehensive

1249
02:14:32,120 --> 02:14:47,660
general plan to guide future physical development and conservation of the city and its

1250
02:14:47,660 --> 02:14:54,480
Two, prepare review adopt and recommend to the City Council for its adoption of special areas,

1251
02:14:54,640 --> 02:14:59,980
specific plans for identifiable areas where in more detailed guidelines are...

1252
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:10,800
We needed to supplement the objectives of the General Plan. Three, review, development applications submitted to the city for consistency with adopted plans and ordinances.

1253
02:15:11,480 --> 02:15:17,920
Approve or deny applications when final authority is granted to the Planning Commission by the Municipal Code.

1254
02:15:18,560 --> 02:15:22,600
Make a recommendation on those actions for which the City Council is the final reviewing.

1255
02:15:22,600 --> 02:15:30,960
a approval body for acts as an appeal body on decisions made by the community development director

1256
02:15:31,880 --> 02:15:38,540
and five performs such other functions and duties as the city council may from time to time

1257
02:15:38,540 --> 02:15:43,300
direct and or provide within the banning municipal code.

1258
02:15:46,180 --> 02:15:49,140
So those are the duties.

1259
02:15:53,540 --> 02:16:00,700
Okay, I'm sorry. That was a lot to take in. So is that we are able to agendaise and study

1260
02:16:00,700 --> 02:16:05,380
strengthening our land use policies around developments that may or may not be harmful

1261
02:16:05,920 --> 02:16:12,820
to the journal public? I'm sorry. You want to add things onto the agenda that are what?

1262
02:16:13,760 --> 02:16:17,880
I'm sorry, I don't want to understand. Sure, Council. So over the past few months, I've been

1263
02:16:17,880 --> 02:16:22,960
asking about agendizing strengthening our land use policies around what we just talked about.

1264
02:16:22,960 --> 02:16:29,740
about for a very specific project that's also on the invalid through the referendum. But instead

1265
02:16:29,740 --> 02:16:37,500
of us going project by project, the development or the planning department is working on

1266
02:16:37,500 --> 02:16:45,540
amending a lot of code in our municipal code to update it. So I was asking if we could adjust.

1267
02:16:45,540 --> 02:16:57,400
So in other words, whether the planning commission can on its own motion, bring up amendments to the banning municipal code, is that what you're saying?

1268
02:16:57,740 --> 02:17:02,100
Sure, we are a purview of the land policy, our land use.

1269
02:17:02,520 --> 02:17:05,720
So let me add real quick, you're talking about the general plan.

1270
02:17:07,020 --> 02:17:11,140
So the general plan update that was going on has ceased.

1271
02:17:11,140 --> 02:17:19,260
The budget has been taken away for that, so the general plan that we're currently using is the 2006 general plan.

1272
02:17:20,020 --> 02:17:30,640
If the commission desires to amend the general plan line to use policies, we have no budget to do that.

1273
02:17:32,770 --> 02:17:38,210
So it's almost as if you, we really can't bring a general plan amendment.

1274
02:17:38,210 --> 02:17:46,630
And if you want to agenda, just a general discussion, or you want to discuss or talk about

1275
02:17:46,630 --> 02:17:53,010
your ideas about what can maybe done in the future, we could put that on the agenda

1276
02:17:53,010 --> 02:17:58,370
as the study session as a general business side of and so you could at least talk about

1277
02:17:59,070 --> 02:17:59,610
it.

1278
02:17:59,670 --> 02:18:05,350
But if you direct us to do something that's going to require a budget, then we have to get approval

1279
02:18:05,350 --> 02:18:08,110
from city council to do that.

1280
02:18:08,210 --> 02:18:08,890
I got it.

1281
02:18:09,370 --> 02:18:12,350
So the difference between, I've been asking to agendize

1282
02:18:12,350 --> 02:18:14,550
the discussion of strengthening the land use policies,

1283
02:18:15,270 --> 02:18:17,810
but I should have been saying agendizing a study session.

1284
02:18:17,930 --> 02:18:19,470
I'm strengthening our land use policies.

1285
02:18:20,150 --> 02:18:22,450
Well, that's a very vague, strengthening land use policy.

1286
02:18:22,610 --> 02:18:24,290
I have no idea what you're talking about.

1287
02:18:25,050 --> 02:18:26,850
That's a wide variety of things.

1288
02:18:27,690 --> 02:18:30,030
But we can just have a general discussion,

1289
02:18:31,550 --> 02:18:34,230
a general discussion of the city's land use policies

1290
02:18:34,230 --> 02:18:41,210
And then you guys can discuss what that is and what you'd like or what you don't like or what you'd like to see.

1291
02:18:41,410 --> 02:18:49,050
I'm confused, Mr. Raskin. I was, because I've been asking about best ice, detention facilities,

1292
02:18:49,270 --> 02:18:55,790
or detention facilities in general and data centers. I thought I was particular on that.

1293
02:18:55,950 --> 02:19:03,670
I think we can discuss future plans and recommendations but we can't actually enact or implement anything at this point in time.

1294
02:19:03,670 --> 02:19:07,910
So it may be good to have those study sessions or discussions for one the time is right?

1295
02:19:08,030 --> 02:19:10,650
We already have the plan in place.

1296
02:19:11,050 --> 02:19:15,390
Yeah, when we, I guess, pull down the funding and that would be a council direction.

1297
02:19:16,790 --> 02:19:17,510
So our hands are tied.

1298
02:19:17,830 --> 02:19:17,970
Okay.

1299
02:19:18,050 --> 02:19:19,930
I just wanted to get that clarification.

1300
02:19:21,070 --> 02:19:21,250
Cool.

1301
02:19:22,110 --> 02:19:27,610
So then let's move to a adjourn before we adjourn though.

1302
02:19:27,870 --> 02:19:30,170
Can you confirm the next date of our regular meeting?

1303
02:19:32,050 --> 02:19:32,270
October.

1304
02:19:32,530 --> 02:19:32,950
October.

1305
02:19:32,950 --> 02:19:40,450
seven. I don't, yes, October 7th. All right, you all. So our next, oh, literally right here. Our next

1306
02:19:40,450 --> 02:19:45,710
planning commission meeting is Wednesday, October 7th. Can we get a, and we hope to see you all there?

1307
02:19:46,010 --> 02:19:57,170
Can we get a motion to adjourn tonight's meeting? Motion to adjourn tonight's meeting. Thank you,

1308
02:19:59,190 --> 02:19:59,790
right now.

1309
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:10,540
Aye, Mr. Evans, yes, Mr. Light, aye, and aye, yes, Mr. Marshal? Yes, Mr. Marshal. Yes, Mr. Marshal. Yes, Mr. Marshal. Yes, Mr. Marshal. Yes.

1310
02:20:13,460 --> 02:20:18,080
All right. Media adjourned at 7.53 PM. Enjoy your evening, y'all. Thanks for coming.