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All right, it is 7 o'clock on Tuesday, September 22, 2026, and I will call to order the regular meeting of the City of Bearbrew Common Council. We will start with a roll call. I'm sorry, a call of order, roll call and Pledge of Allegiance led by Council President Kent.

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Beth Watson.

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Edith Hoz.

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Geft.

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Ezard Kent.

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Lumbar.

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Alington.

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Swollen.

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Schindler.

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Halfum.

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Dogs

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are believed to have led on the United States of America.

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Education is to be followed for which it stands.

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One nation under God in the了吧, with liberty and justice for all.

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Alright.

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Thank you.

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Minutes from our September 8th meeting were sent to you via email earlier this afternoon.

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I'll entertain a motion to approve the minutes.

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Okay, we have a motion in a second to approve the minutes of September 8th, any correction

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or discussion on the minutes.

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Hearing none, all in favor, please say aye.

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Aye.

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Minutes are approved.

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You have an agenda in front of you.

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It's not been modified.

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I'll entertain a motion to approve tonight's agenda.

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So moved.

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Second by hazard.

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Okay, we have a motion in a second to approve the agenda.

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All in favor, please say aye.

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Aye.

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We have an agenda for tonight.

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Madam Clerk, are we in compliance with the agenda?

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the open meeting process.

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Yes.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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We have no presentations tonight.

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We have no public hearings tonight.

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So we're right on the item 8.

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Public invited to speak.

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Any citizen has a right to speak of an item of business, which is on the agenda tonight.

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For those of you who knew to this, we do limit comments to three minutes.

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So we do ask you to be succinct.

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We will start with Spencer Net.

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Mayor Nelson, council members.

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Thank you for the opportunity to speak.

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I'm here representing the IFF Local 5429.

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I've spoken several times to this very counsel throughout this process, so I'll keep my comments brief.

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I want to acknowledge that I believe is an important change to the letter before you tonight.

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It recognizes that the financial changes facing the district were not created in one single issue.

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And more importantly, it recognizes the reductions to the operating budget will result in service capabilities.

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Reducing the capital replacement plan by $600,000 is a financial decision about how quickly an existing obligation is addressed.

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cut in an additional 400,000 from operations is something fundamentally different.

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These decisions affect people, apparatus availability, ambulance coverage, fire response,

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ultimately the level of service available to this community.

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The city's request for $200,400 and $600,000 scenarios gives a commission an opportunity to put

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actual consequences beside those numbers.

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I believe that analysis should occur before anyone decides that $400,000 is a predetermined

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number is the correct answer. There are legitimate efficiencies available, the local will help

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and take part in that conversation. We have never taken the position that the district

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is beyond scrutiny or that nothing can change. We have consistently asked that the decisions

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affecting emergency service capabilities be based on evidence rather than an arbitrary

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number. Show what each option saves, show how the staffing remains, show what apparatus remain

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available. Show the response and mutual aid implications and let the commission and the municipalities

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make that informed decision. I also appreciate the city's willingness to discuss

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changes to the IGA and government structure. There are legitimate lessons to learn on how we got here,

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but our financial oversight, clear capital policies and greater accountability can strengthen this

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district. Local 5429 is willing to participate in that work. My request tonight is simple. If you

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to authorize this letter, allow the analysis to request what's actually and actually guide

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the decision that follows.

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Do not decide to cut first and then determine the consequences afterward.

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Determine the consequences first, and then decide what this community is willing to give

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up.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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Next, we've got Roberta Philanj.

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Philanjie?

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I'm here under my first amendment, right?

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The United States Constitution, freedom of speech and to redress grievances for government.

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I am in no way shape or form, okay with the implementation of the FOX system cameras.

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Who is this?

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Can you just give us your name again in your address?

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Roberta, Philanjee, District 1, Ward 1.

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Thank you.

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Privacy isn't a privilege or a luxury.

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It's inherent right from the Creator.

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Governments were instituted to protect those rights,

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not to just say, willy-nilly, oh, we need mass surveillance on everyone.

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Have you ever been a member or a person, unfortunately,

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that succumbed to domestic violence?

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Have you?

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Do you like your information out there in the hands of people

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that shouldn't have access to your life?

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No. In the text of the Declaration of Independence, we hold these truths to be self-evident that

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men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator. We're certain unalienable

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rights that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure

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these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their powers from the consent

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of the government. I do not consent with flak, safety, surveillance, axon, motorola, whoever you got.

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That when any form of government derives destructive to the ends, it is the right of the people

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to alter or to abolish and institute any new government laying its foundation of such principles

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and organizations as powers inform as to those seem most likely to affect their safety and happiness.

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Yes, prudence indeed will dictate that governments long established should not be changed

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for the light of transient causes.

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Unalienable rights, they existed before government, and all those rights, the right to travel

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an ordinary course of one's business.

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The right to privacy and confidentiality, free from unwarranted evasions. You all, and so do the Chiefs War, and oath to this Constitution. It is your job to protect those rights of the private people, not corporations, not whoever signed a donation check in order to go ahead and fight for these cameras. And then in order to go to another business,

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in order for them to go ahead and take our information without consent. I didn't

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consent. Where's the opt out? And you can say, well, you've got a cell phone. I

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control the cell phone. I can opt out. I can leave it at home. Or if you're not

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doing anything wrong, well, why do you care? To find wrong. Something could be

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wrong. And then tomorrow, it could be fine. We'll go ahead and start wrapping it up.

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please. Okay. How did time please? So anyway, we've got the shard foodery. Eric sees me.

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Shattery versus United States. It was just overruled that regarding geo-fensing

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carbon-deraversus United States cell phone records without a warrant cannot be held.

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Cats versus United States, your information, your location and conversations,

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and Kylo versus United States use of technology to learn information that would be impossible

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to know without such technology.

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These are all supreme court cases regarding privacy.

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I'd also like to know why there is ESLag,

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Leonardo's signal trace, devices on the corner of A Street,

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in old 12, and South Boulevard, and the old 12 as well,

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that capture all your data.

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We're going to wrap it up there, we'll pass that up.

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So I'd like you to stop this.

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Appreciate it. Thank you.

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Thank you for the comments.

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Anyone else who would like to address counsel tonight on the item on the agenda?

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All right. Can you come up and give us your name and address please?

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Brian, hello, 307, Mulberry Street. Thank you for the opportunity to speak.

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When I was a kid, we knew that the Stasi were the bad guys.

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And we knew that because they maintained persistent mass surveillance.

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And, like she said, it doesn't matter whether it's flock or motorola or axon or whatever

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the others are, persistent mass surveillance is bad because it's persistent mass surveillance.

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And it's sad to hear people use the same arguments that were used in 1930s, Germany,

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1950s, 60s, 70s, East Germany, today for the same cause, for the same effect.

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It's to protect our community, it's to save our kids, it's to catch the bad guys.

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Well, there are things that we don't do that could be used for good things because we recognize

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that they are a larger ill, and I say persistent mass surveillance is one of these things,

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and I would urge the council not to renew the flock contract.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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Anyone else who wants to address council?

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All right.

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Hello.

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I didn't even know.

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Can we get your name in address, please?

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My name is Kelly Lappen.

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Okay.

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609 Vine Street.

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Okay.

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Actually, I didn't even realize this was part of the agenda,

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but I'm here to agree with the other two people

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that you see story after story of how these cameras are

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uneffective, and you see that people say they've been pulled over like six, seven times

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because of these cameras. So I'm just here to say that please, no flock cameras. Don't

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steal our information. Thank you.

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Okay. Thank you.

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Anyone else who wants to do this council?

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All right. Seeing none, we will

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move on. Item 9 mayors business, a couple things on the list tonight. First off,

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Sock County will host a public open house concerning the Great Sock State Trail

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tomorrow night, Wednesday, September 23rd, and that's at the Carnegie

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Shoddy Memorial Library. The open house runs from 5.30 to 7.30 and there is a

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presentation at 6.30 p.m. tomorrow night. Second, I would like to congratulate

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Sergeant Matthew Gilbert on his 25th anniversary with the bearable PD. It does

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not look like Matt is here tonight, but we would like to congratulate him and thank him for his

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good work on behalf of all of us. Third, National and Wisconsin's Stormwater Awareness Week is this

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week, started yesterday, runs through Friday, and one of the ways that residents in our fair city can

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protect our water resources is by participating in our new adopt a drain program, and the website

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to do that is listed on the agenda and then finally I would like to offer

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congratulations to the employees of the Water Resource Recovery Facility.

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They were recently nominated by Sock County Public Health for a Health

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Excellence Award and we have a proclamation to do that. So where at the staff

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of the Water Resource Recovery Facility were recently nominated by Public

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Health Sock County for the Public Health Excellence Award, recognizing their

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outstanding commitment to excellence, public health, environmental safety, and the vital work that they

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perform daily for our community. And whereas since the inception of the Wisconsin Wastewater Monitoring

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Program in September 2020, WRR staff, WRR staff, have submitted over 550 samples making

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bearable one of the state's most reliable sites for data submission and sample shipment.

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And whereas the tracking of public health data, including genetic sequencing to track COVID-19,

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and monitoring for measles, seasonal few RSV and neurovirus,

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directly ensures the safety of bear-boo residents while contributing to large-scale public health science to protect the health of all Wisconsinites.

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And whereas the Wisconsin State Lab of Hygiene specifically commended the WRF team for being amazing to work with very diligent and great at communicating,

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and whereas the city wishes to recognize the forward-thinking, reliable, and deeply dedicated crew of Mark Geisler, Brad Weirich,

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Jeremy Paskey, Trent Thompson, and Aaron Markworth.

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Now be it therefore resolved that on behalf of this people of City of Bearaboo, I hereby

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congratulate and commend members of the Water Resource Recovery Facility on their nomination

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for a public health excellence award.

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And I believe we've gotten at least most of the crew here if you'd like to come up.

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We'll do that.

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Congratulations on the floor.

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Thank you all for your good work.

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Thanks for

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your work.

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expert for John and Sally is going to have to give it a round of applause.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Of course.

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Very good.

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Thank you, John.

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Thank you.

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All

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right.

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And with that, we will go to consent.

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One item tonight.

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Approved the accounts available to be paid in the amount of $581,240 and 14 cents.

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Motion to approve, answered.

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Second.

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All right, we have a motion and a second to approve the consent agenda.

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Would you please call the roll.

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Hazard.

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Aye.

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Kent.

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Aye.

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Lumbard.

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Aye.

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Ellington.

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Aye.

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Swollen.

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Aye.

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Schindler.

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Aye.

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Topham.

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Aye.

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Olson.

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Aye.

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Consent carries unanimously.

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Thank you.

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No ordinances on second reading tonight.

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So we go to item 12 new business.

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Item 12.1.

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consider approving the on-call policy for sewer and water utilities crews. Mark, you're back up at

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the spotlight again.

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Good evening.

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The resolution that I have included in your packet talks about

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the need for an on-call policy for our water and sewer utilities.

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Currently, our after-hours

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emergency call in work is somewhat coordinated, but I guess mostly on a voluntary basis, there is no policy in place, by implementing the proposed policies for each utility will help us improve response times and allow accountability at the same time.

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Yeah, and while allowing us to type in for the employee, really all I've got it unless

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anyone has any questions.

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Any questions from our motion

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to approve hazard?

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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Second.

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All right.

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We have a motion and a second to approve the on-call policy for the sewer and water utilities.

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Any further discussion on the motion?

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This was unanimous at finance.

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Thank you.

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All

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right, hearing no other discussion, please call the rule.

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Kent?

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Lambert?

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Aye.

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Ellington?

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Aye.

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Swollen?

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Aye.

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Dindler?

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Aye.

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Topham?

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Aye.

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Olson?

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Aye.

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Asard?

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Aye.

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Emotion carries unanimously.

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Thank you.

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12.2.

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Thank you, Mark.

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Consider approving the allocation of a city economic development funds to pay MSA professional services

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for administration of community development block grants loan program.

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John, I'll turn it over to you.

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Thank you mayor. Good evening council. CDA had previously been responsible for overseeing a community development block grant, home loan program fund.

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Due to some changes within the state guidelines that focused on a regional approach, CDA determined that their staff resources would not be available to

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over really effectively managed the program in part because of their work with the renovation for

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Quartz and Square and constructing them forward in place.

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So at the time CD contracted with MSA professional services to assist with managing this grant.

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At the time it was anticipated those funds could be used to pay for MSA services, but CDA later learned that the expense was not eligible under the program.

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The invoice that was submitted by MSA was for $3,500.

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CDA is requesting a budget transfer from the City Economic Development Fund to be the revenue source for payment of the invoice, and that's the resolution that's in front of you tonight is to request approval of that transfer of City Economic Development Funds to cover that contract with MSA.

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Any questions for John?

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Yeah, I have a question, what were the funds in the city budget line intended to be used for?

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In the economic development fund?

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Yes.

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The one where?

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I think, Lord

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and Julie can correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think, I think that's

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a part of money that we carry from year to year that we occasionally dip into when there's

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specific economic development activities we want to fund so it doesn't get allocated to

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a particular budget line each year is sort of a segregated fund, correct, nothing to that effect.

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So what you're saying, the funds are there, or hitting, right?

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Yes, you're correct, the funds are there, I believe, I think probably roughly about $179,000 in that account.

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Loved to approve.

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Second by hazard.

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All right, we have a motion and a second to approve the transfer of funds from the City Economic Development Fund,

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for payment of MSA's administration of the CD-BG program.

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Is there a reason that probably the dumb question, CD-A just doesn't include it in their budget by it?

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I believe that was because they had the segment with the funds were set up and the segregated funds.

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They didn't have, they weren't able to take it from any their existing accounts if I'm correct.

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Right. I think I think they had it how did it that the proceeds of the CBGP program would be able to pay for its administration.

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And so that's how they were planning to pay for it. And then they got word from, I believe the fact, it's that said,

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oh, that's not an eligible expense for the program. You have to find a different revenue source to pay that bill.

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So they came to us.

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Oh, that's good, right?

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I just decided by sidebar to all this starting in 2027 the CDA will not be involved in economic development at all it'll be just doing the housing.

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That's going to be transferred to another area within the city.

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Any further discussion?

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All right, hearing none, please call the roll.

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Lombard?

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No.

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Ellington.

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Swullen?

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Schindler.

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High.

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Half American?

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Alston.

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Action.

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I motion carries 7 to 1.

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Thank you.

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12.3, consider proving the updated versions of section 1 and section 2 of the City of

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Boi.

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City of Barribos employee, personnel policy, and procedure handbook.

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Thank you John.

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Thank you mayor.

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In front of the council tonight, essentially if the city is working on updating the

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the current employee personnel policy procedure handbook and so as we're working through this,

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the first two sections section one and two were brought to finance personnel committee

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on September 8th this year.

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of part of that process, the city has been working with me.

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With department heads and employees to review, gather input, get recommendations on improvements to each section of the handbook. It's absolutely what you will see is that we will be bringing each section back to the council in kind of a staged process of either a couple sections of a time or one section at a time. Under this one that we're bringing to you tonight, the report proposed changes under section one are very limited.

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It is more just basically kind of making some edits, revising some of the language.

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Revisioning the section to the primary one involves expanding the residency requirement for emergency personnel employees from 15 to 25 miles from the city.

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The other changes basically including an annual review requirement for all city positions on an annual basis.

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There are no financial impact effects on the city annual budget for both of those sections.

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And if the Council were to recommend approval on that, this would go in effect on October 1st of this year.

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And we would make the notifications to city staff and update the handbook in the electronic format.

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Questions for John?

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I just would ask him to give me the numbers again, it was from 15 to 25 miles.

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Yes, the residency requirement states 15 miles of employees that are hired need to live within 15 miles or 30 minutes of their workplace.

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And so the comments and feedback from if city employees was to make that change from 15 to 25 miles.

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That's emergency.

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Yeah, emergency person that we're not regular.

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Thank you.

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You're welcome.

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Any other questions?

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I'll

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entertain the motion.

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If there's no further questions.

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So move.

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Sign the second.

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All right.

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We have a motion and a second to approve the updates to sections one and two of the employee personnel policy and proceed your handbook.

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Any further discussion on the motion?

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All right.

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Hearing none, please call the roll.

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35,000.

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Thank you.

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12,4.

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We're regarding the 2027 fire EMS proposed budget.

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I will take that one.

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As everyone's well aware, we had discussion last meeting about the fire EMS proposed budget,

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according to the by-laws of the district's

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We need to submit written feedback to that budget by tomorrow.

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So, coming out of the meeting two weeks ago, I did my best to summarize what I thought was the sentiment of the council at the end of that discussion.

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Administrator Young reviewed that memo. Council President Kent reviewed that.

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They both felt that that sufficiently captured as close to the consensus as we could get from this group at that meeting.

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and so this is sort of officially taking that step to submit this as our official feedback

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on behalf of the city as the district goes into the next stage of their budget.

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I mean,

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folks have any questions or I have a couple.

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Sure. This one is pretty much procedural.

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The first one, as I read the resolution and the background of the resolution, it's somewhat

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Not ambiguous as to who gets the mammal besides the chief does it go to the quote commission or to every member of the commission when you say it's going to the commission does that you're handing a copy to every one of the commissioners or I will I will send a copy to the chief and I would expect that he would probably send that or distribute that to the rest of the commission.

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And I will also send it to the other two members of the city.

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I'm going to assume that Brett, Steve's not here, but I will assume that they will have it as a consequence of being on council.

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I did get a comment.

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Steve did provide me some comments since he's not able to be here.

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And he said that he was fully support the memo written for the Fire AMS budget.

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As a commission member, I'll support the city's position on this.

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So, he's for what it's worth.

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Did you have to, oh I'm sorry, I was just going to say all the IGA says about the latter

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is any input from the members on the budget must be provided in writing to the commission

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on or before the 4th Wednesday and September there isn't really any other direction about

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who it goes to in there.

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Okay, yeah.

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It was ambiguous.

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I was curious.

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It's a minor point.

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Right?

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not that brought wouldn't be willing to share with everybody, but well, you never know.

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I have a question about why after three years we do this?

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Why not after the first year and the second year?

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I guess my, I'll just say personally, my feeling was the last couple years it

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hadn't seemed as contentious as it did this year. This year it seemed like there was

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was a lot more discussion and debate about what our position should be, and so I didn't

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want to act unilaterally and just say, here was my impression without getting an official

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approval of council, so it seemed a more straightforward response last year and the year before when

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we did this.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Well, it sure has been a lot easier on them and us if we had heard this from the first

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year or even in the second year.

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I mean, we went through the same process and we sent them, we did see, sent feedback.

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Okay.

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It was just the memo that I wrote after the meeting last year I didn't think was as controversial

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because there was more of a more firm consensus from council.

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I guess my question really is, so this is the proposed budget, we send this letter, right?

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And then the process is, there's rebuttal, there's a change that we ask for, or what's the next step?

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Because we don't have another meeting, this is the last meeting of the month.

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right and then are we just going to at the first meeting in October get a new budget or we have the

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same budget or I guess I'm trying to try and to help shepherd this along and have an

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understanding of the next step after sending our strongly written letter.

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So the next commission

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meeting is the 30th week from Wednesday, week from tomorrow. I haven't seen the agenda

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for that meeting yet, so I don't know if there will be a discussion on the budget I would

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imagine that there probably would be. The district is not required to submit the final budget,

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I believe, until the end of October. Is that correct, Nick? According to the by-laws?

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The commission's adopted its budget honor before November 1st, right? So I can't speak for the

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commission. I'm guessing there will be discussion next week at the commission meeting and then at their October meeting

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revised or final budget will be presented and voted on by the commission. Because per the by-law

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one of the options

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that was that that's afforded each municipality is by the end of September and if we if we indicated

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that we would be exiting the district that's the deadline correct correct so

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So by taking this form of action, that kind of is an option that's going to be off the table correct.

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For 20, I mean, there's a 15-month lead time after that set.

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So that would be for end of 2027, would be when that would be effective.

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if we voted to do that prior to me under this month.

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And obviously, there's four other municipalities

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that are involved in this.

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And I'm assuming they're gonna be writing similar letters

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and doing no their position.

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I do not know the position.

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I know Mr. Arms spoke at our previous council meeting

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so one can infer what the village's position is,

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but I have not been privy to any of the other municipalities

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have discussed or may see.

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It's kind of a big piece of the puzzle.

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It's understanding how the other municipalities feel

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and where their collective mindset is moving forward.

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I'm assuming that they probably sent similar letters or similar feedback of their stance

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on funding in this budget.

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So I guess that's just one thing I need to know, so depending on other information,

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is there a possibility that we would have to have another meeting, a special meeting to discuss

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justice or no?

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I mean, there's always possibility of calling a special meeting. I don't anticipate

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one. When we had a discussion two weeks ago, it did not seem like the withdrawal option

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was a particularly attractive one to the council. It seemed like—

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No, no, they're a pretty attractive one. But it seemed like the least attractive of the

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options available that trying to either revise the bylaws or moving to dissolve both seemed

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like more productive than unilaterally stepping away was that was my sense from council two weeks ago.

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Yeah, I just understand what you said in September. We have to do that.

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My meeting is not totally in September. It's nothing we can do.

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Right. I mean, that would be in revising the bylaws. That would be probably something that could

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be revised because I don't know what the rationale is for the 15-month runway. I mean, you could,

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that you could change some of those deadlines

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so that the timing comes out.

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You know, you would have a, let's say,

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December 31st deadline to be effective

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the following year or something like that

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because it is sort of the timing does seem awkward to me.

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It's definitely, it's definitely part,

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I think part of that change, you know,

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well, the bylaws portion.

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Yeah, right.

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Council still has the 30th deadline for just stepping away.

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There is no deadline if you vote

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to dissolve the dis. Right. Right. So, and you'd have to vote when you want to dissolve by and

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three other, three other, my right, three other municipalities would have to come along with that.

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But there's, you could do that anytime you want. Right. Right. Is that a by municipality voter

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by commission headcount vote? Is it by the municipality? It's interesting. The district doesn't have a vote

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And obviously, you don't think anybody wants to dissolve the district.

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00:42:31,700 --> 00:42:35,260
That's the least attractive option, but

478
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:37,960
we don't have money.

479
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:40,700
So you do what you do.

480
00:42:44,310 --> 00:42:52,830
And that I think is the bottom line is we don't have the money and I think we have to really

481
00:42:52,830 --> 00:42:54,370
look at that.

482
00:42:57,900 --> 00:43:07,760
And the solution doesn't seem real practical, it does give us some opportunities for change.

483
00:43:08,540 --> 00:43:17,260
And going back to at least the partial volunteer service and making some other changes.

484
00:43:18,220 --> 00:43:23,280
So it's something that we don't want to take off the table.

485
00:43:23,660 --> 00:43:23,980
Thank you.

486
00:43:27,300 --> 00:43:33,800
I was just going to say, I appreciate, I don't think there's a perfect solution here.

487
00:43:34,220 --> 00:43:36,740
So, if you're looking for one or have one, please speak up.

488
00:43:37,420 --> 00:43:40,340
I appreciate that at least this tries to compromise.

489
00:43:41,100 --> 00:43:42,920
It's not an all or none. We're saying, hey, we will.

490
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:44,540
It's a sizable budget increase.

491
00:43:45,300 --> 00:43:47,800
That we're saying we would accept.

492
00:43:49,220 --> 00:43:52,940
This memo was saying that, but I like the idea that we're trying to compromise.

493
00:43:52,940 --> 00:43:56,900
So trying to come up with some middle ground, we're not just hard and fast, yes, no.

494
00:43:57,540 --> 00:44:00,900
And I don't know where the commission will go with this, but we'll see.

495
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,600
If you guys approved it, send it to the commission.

496
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:10,080
And I may or may not be wrong because of the amount of the increase.

497
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:15,580
Is the 2% above, is that still in play because of this proposed budget?

498
00:44:15,580 --> 00:44:22,700
I'm told by a lawyer that we're not eligible for the 2% plus CPI increase anymore.

499
00:44:23,060 --> 00:44:26,840
Okay. Because of the way the budget has been proposed, is that fair?

500
00:44:27,720 --> 00:44:29,840
Or I don't honestly understand.

501
00:44:30,260 --> 00:44:37,660
I defer to her expertise on that if you want a more complete explanation, I'll let her explain.

502
00:44:37,820 --> 00:44:37,980
I just.

503
00:44:44,850 --> 00:44:51,770
In order to take the adjustment on the tax levy for the joint fire UMS district, the district would have to submit

504
00:44:51,770 --> 00:44:57,870
a budget to the municipality's increase in their assessments by only CPI plus 2%.

505
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:09,420
Since this budget does not is well above that, we get no adjustment. Not even the part we could have had.

506
00:45:12,350 --> 00:45:31,730
Wasn't one of the primary reasons to form the district was to get that 2% that I missed something here. So we would have to, this is a question. We have to vote for basically a flat budget. CPI plus 2%. On the assessment.

507
00:45:31,730 --> 00:45:33,330
and the municipal assessment portion.

508
00:45:33,690 --> 00:45:38,770
So that's like a 5% or 4%, probably about that.

509
00:45:39,150 --> 00:45:41,950
5% right now, 5%, 5.4% or something.

510
00:45:43,210 --> 00:45:44,330
Oh, that's kind of a game changer.

511
00:45:46,790 --> 00:45:46,990
Okay.

512
00:45:47,610 --> 00:45:53,990
I mean, the CPI plus 2% exemption

513
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:57,750
allows you to levy above, right, but still levy limit.

514
00:45:58,430 --> 00:46:00,650
If we're looking at an increase,

515
00:46:02,490 --> 00:46:06,030
anything in the order of magnitude that we're talking about here we're going to have to increase

516
00:46:06,030 --> 00:46:11,750
above the levee limit anyway through short term borrowing. So it functionally as it applies

517
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:16,030
to the tax fair, I don't think it's that much of a difference in terms of what impact they're

518
00:46:16,030 --> 00:46:24,510
going to see. But internally it's the whole one of the principal reasons to form a district was to

519
00:46:24,510 --> 00:46:25,410
to get the 2%?

520
00:46:26,390 --> 00:46:27,310
You can save money.

521
00:46:28,190 --> 00:46:28,450
OK.

522
00:46:28,910 --> 00:46:29,270
Thank you, John.

523
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:31,290
Well, I mean, what you're getting

524
00:46:31,290 --> 00:46:34,050
is the ability to assess above the levy limit.

525
00:46:34,850 --> 00:46:37,650
The state isn't giving you 2% plus CPI.

526
00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:39,630
All the state is doing this.

527
00:46:39,810 --> 00:46:40,750
They're letting you tax your budget.

528
00:46:40,750 --> 00:46:42,710
All the state is saying is we're allowing you

529
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:46,610
to raise your taxes above the levy limit.

530
00:46:46,810 --> 00:46:47,250
I understand.

531
00:46:48,190 --> 00:46:51,810
And should a budget of this size get adopted,

532
00:46:52,110 --> 00:46:53,370
we're going to have to do that anyway.

533
00:46:53,810 --> 00:47:00,990
So it's not really in this budget year, it's not really a cost to us or an impact to us.

534
00:47:01,070 --> 00:47:01,450
I don't feel.

535
00:47:04,890 --> 00:47:08,750
So if you're good at making adjustment, you'd want to make the adjustment in one year.

536
00:47:08,910 --> 00:47:12,190
You know, you'd want to make a big adjustment in one year when you can't get it versus making

537
00:47:12,190 --> 00:47:17,370
small adjustments five years in a row because then you'll lose it for five years.

538
00:47:18,690 --> 00:47:21,570
You know, if you want to do an adjustment to the budget, you'd want to do it in one year.

539
00:47:21,610 --> 00:47:23,230
So once you lose it, don't you lose it?

540
00:47:24,530 --> 00:47:32,810
you'll lose it. If you don't qualify this year, but isn't the AOS plan a five-year plan

541
00:47:33,330 --> 00:47:43,630
or longer? Right, so let's just, I'll try to paraphrase, tell me if I'm wrong. Let's

542
00:47:43,630 --> 00:47:49,270
say hypothetically, and I'm just going to use round numbers, let's say your municipal

543
00:47:49,270 --> 00:47:58,850
contribution is $500 or $100, let's say. Next you could increase it by $5 because you're

544
00:47:58,850 --> 00:48:06,830
going to go up 5%. Next year after that you can increase it by $5.37 or whatever 5% of

545
00:48:06,830 --> 00:48:17,630
$1.5 is. CPI plus 2%. If in year 1 you increase the budget by $15, well now we're over

546
00:48:17,630 --> 00:48:21,650
that 2% plus CPI, so we can't use the 2% plus CPI.

547
00:48:21,730 --> 00:48:25,870
If the next year we increase it another $15, we can't use the 2% and CPI.

548
00:48:26,190 --> 00:48:30,110
So if you're stepping it shortly like that, but it's still above the 2% plus CPI, you

549
00:48:30,110 --> 00:48:31,610
never get that opportunity back.

550
00:48:32,050 --> 00:48:40,030
If we take one big jump and say we're going to increase it from $100 to $150, no CPI plus

551
00:48:40,030 --> 00:48:45,090
2% this year, but then in the subsequent year if you only raise it $5, well now we're

552
00:48:45,090 --> 00:48:49,050
still under the 5% to 2% plus CPI so we can use that mechanism again.

553
00:48:50,190 --> 00:48:59,830
As I read the Eller's report, it said that if you go above the CPI plus two, all municipalities had to agree.

554
00:49:01,870 --> 00:49:04,090
That wasn't a majority vote, it was all.

555
00:49:04,670 --> 00:49:05,170
I don't think so.

556
00:49:05,170 --> 00:49:06,790
They all have to pass the resolution.

557
00:49:07,390 --> 00:49:07,570
Yeah.

558
00:49:08,010 --> 00:49:11,130
They don't all have to take it, but they don't have to pass the resolution.

559
00:49:11,130 --> 00:49:11,750
either

560
00:49:23,490 --> 00:49:25,090
questions or discussion.

561
00:49:31,500 --> 00:49:39,460
Does this letter set us on a course that we can't really move back from?

562
00:49:42,140 --> 00:49:44,300
I don't think this letter commits us to anything.

563
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:53,620
It's just providing guidance and then it's up to the district commission to take that into account.

564
00:49:53,620 --> 00:50:09,030
So, our four members of the commission will vote as the council advises, is that what

565
00:50:09,030 --> 00:50:22,590
I understood from last month's I can't I can't guarantee that they're not they're not they're not can you read what you read last month

566
00:50:24,590 --> 00:50:34,730
I didn't bring my bylaws so I think I think they serve it they serve a pleasure of the municipality that appointed them and but that's different than saying that they're going to

567
00:50:35,870 --> 00:50:38,850
follow the position that the council dictates.

568
00:50:39,050 --> 00:50:44,550
I agree with the mayor. I happen to think that that guides my decision making but the mayor's right.

569
00:50:45,010 --> 00:50:48,390
There's you can interpret that there's people that interpret that both ways.

570
00:50:48,390 --> 00:50:52,650
Right. So I look at it and say, well, unless you guys come up with something that is

571
00:50:52,650 --> 00:50:58,610
egregious or illegal, I'm going to be inclined to take your direction and vote consistent with

572
00:50:58,610 --> 00:51:03,690
what you tell me to vote. But I've also read where you could interpret that by law both ways

573
00:51:03,690 --> 00:51:06,230
in fairness. So thank you.

574
00:51:12,140 --> 00:51:13,180
Any other discussion?

575
00:51:21,390 --> 00:51:22,830
I will make a motion to approve

576
00:51:23,630 --> 00:51:30,010
12.4. I'll second. All right. We have a motion and a second to approve the proposed memo concerning

577
00:51:30,010 --> 00:51:31,990
including the 2027 Fire EMS budget.

578
00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:34,450
Any further discussion on the motion?

579
00:51:38,430 --> 00:51:39,930
Right, hearing none, please call the roll.

580
00:51:40,530 --> 00:51:40,870
Swollen.

581
00:51:41,110 --> 00:51:41,210
Aye.

582
00:51:41,790 --> 00:51:42,150
Schindler.

583
00:51:42,390 --> 00:51:42,570
Aye.

584
00:51:42,970 --> 00:51:43,370
Topham.

585
00:51:43,870 --> 00:51:44,430
Olson.

586
00:51:44,650 --> 00:51:44,790
Aye.

587
00:51:45,170 --> 00:51:45,530
Hazard.

588
00:51:45,710 --> 00:51:45,910
Aye.

589
00:51:46,290 --> 00:51:46,470
Kent.

590
00:51:46,770 --> 00:51:46,970
Aye.

591
00:51:47,330 --> 00:51:47,670
Lombard.

592
00:51:48,150 --> 00:51:48,350
Aye.

593
00:51:48,910 --> 00:51:49,410
Ellington.

594
00:51:49,690 --> 00:51:49,830
Aye.

595
00:51:50,550 --> 00:51:51,890
Motion carries unanimously.

596
00:51:52,170 --> 00:51:52,570
Thank you.

597
00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:54,370
12.5.

598
00:51:54,550 --> 00:51:57,610
Consider vacating the stud and alley right of way west of Washington

599
00:51:57,610 --> 00:52:00,790
Avenue between 11th and 12th streets and approved a public hearing

600
00:52:00,790 --> 00:52:03,950
date of November 10th, 2026.

601
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:06,350
Mr. Pinion, you have the floor.

602
00:52:06,690 --> 00:52:07,250
Thank you.

603
00:52:07,630 --> 00:52:08,790
Jonathan, could you switch that to the floor?

604
00:52:08,790 --> 00:52:08,930
Sure.

605
00:52:09,290 --> 00:52:10,490
Please give us a map.

606
00:52:17,450 --> 00:52:21,670
So, Plan Commission considered this at their last meeting

607
00:52:21,670 --> 00:52:25,390
and recommended that this stub end mostly

608
00:52:25,390 --> 00:52:27,090
unimproved alley be vacated.

609
00:52:27,830 --> 00:52:31,310
So the map on the screen shows you where this little piece is.

610
00:52:31,810 --> 00:52:35,830
The original block included an alley that went from East End

611
00:52:35,830 --> 00:52:41,490
West End, the entire width of the block. In 1978, that

612
00:52:41,490 --> 00:52:49,850
Westerly 77% was vacated by the City Council. So what's left is a very short piece of

613
00:52:49,850 --> 00:52:57,290
alley right of way that serves two private properties. It was the plan

614
00:52:57,290 --> 00:53:02,090
commission's consideration that, you know, should the entire community be paying

615
00:53:02,090 --> 00:53:05,290
for essentially a private driveway shared by two properties.

616
00:53:06,070 --> 00:53:11,050
So the plan commission did positively recommend that the city pursue vacating that alley right

617
00:53:11,050 --> 00:53:11,310
away.

618
00:53:12,430 --> 00:53:14,130
So the process for that is statutory.

619
00:53:14,930 --> 00:53:19,570
It does allow the city to commence the project on their own or it can be commenced by a way

620
00:53:19,570 --> 00:53:21,890
of a petition from the adjoining property owners.

621
00:53:22,590 --> 00:53:28,710
They did speak with both property owners on site and they really didn't have any objection

622
00:53:28,710 --> 00:53:29,850
to this approach.

623
00:53:29,850 --> 00:53:37,990
So before you this evening is the statutorily required resolution to be passed by the council if you choose to support this and

624
00:53:39,070 --> 00:53:46,090
The notice of public hearing is included the public hearing cannot be any less than 40 days from the date of adoption of this resolution

625
00:53:46,090 --> 00:53:54,190
So we would have a meeting the first meeting in November would be the one when we would actually take the official action or consider the

626
00:53:54,190 --> 00:53:56,210
the official action to vacate this property.

627
00:53:56,690 --> 00:53:58,630
So this doesn't complete the process tonight,

628
00:53:58,850 --> 00:54:00,470
it's just a step in the right direction

629
00:54:00,470 --> 00:54:02,850
toward that end and game, if you will.

630
00:54:05,700 --> 00:54:06,600
Questions for Tom?

631
00:54:07,240 --> 00:54:07,600
Good, Andrew.

632
00:54:08,340 --> 00:54:11,980
But you are saying that you had no disagreement

633
00:54:11,980 --> 00:54:14,300
from the property owners at all.

634
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:15,300
Correct, correct.

635
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,800
One was a private property owner on the south side,

636
00:54:18,340 --> 00:54:19,380
and it's green briars,

637
00:54:22,820 --> 00:54:24,860
retirement facility there on the north side.

638
00:54:24,860 --> 00:54:31,100
So, they have no issue with it whatsoever and thought it was a very fair, fair thing for the city to do it.

639
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:37,080
What's proposed is that normally when you vacate the alley, half of it goes to the joining property owners.

640
00:54:37,720 --> 00:54:44,980
In this case, it would go to half of them, but my recommendation is that it be vacated in favor of a joint driveway easement.

641
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:49,920
So, they still have the rights that they enjoy on that same piece of property.

642
00:54:50,220 --> 00:54:53,200
It's just that they're responsible for the maintenance and upkeep.

643
00:55:07,100 --> 00:55:15,120
We have a motion and a second to move forward with the vacation of the alley west of Washington

644
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:18,760
between 11th and 12th and set the public hearing date for November 10th.

645
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:20,780
Any further discussion?

646
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:23,340
All right.

647
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:24,520
Hearing none, please call the roll.

648
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:25,380
Shindler.

649
00:55:25,700 --> 00:55:25,980
All right.

650
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:26,760
Top of them.

651
00:55:26,860 --> 00:55:27,080
All right.

652
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:27,800
All right.

653
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:28,640
All right.

654
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:29,360
I can.

655
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:29,680
I.

656
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:30,560
Lumberj.

657
00:55:30,660 --> 00:55:30,780
I.

658
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:31,480
Linton.

659
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:31,760
I.

660
00:55:31,980 --> 00:55:32,380
Spallan.

661
00:55:32,500 --> 00:55:32,620
I.

662
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:34,340
Motion carries unanimously.

663
00:55:34,500 --> 00:55:34,880
Thank you.

664
00:55:35,620 --> 00:55:35,720
I.

665
00:55:35,780 --> 00:55:38,040
In 13 we have no new business ordinances tonight.

666
00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:40,240
That takes us to 14 committee of the whole.

667
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,920
We have two items to discuss in committee of the whole tonight.

668
00:55:43,060 --> 00:55:47,380
I will entertain a motion to move into committee of the whole to discuss the flat camera update

669
00:55:47,380 --> 00:55:48,620
and the city budget.

670
00:55:48,980 --> 00:55:49,780
So, second.

671
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:51,120
All right.

672
00:55:51,220 --> 00:55:53,540
We have a motion and a second to move into committee of the whole.

673
00:55:53,860 --> 00:55:55,140
Would you please call the roll.

674
00:55:55,500 --> 00:55:56,020
Tap them.

675
00:55:56,540 --> 00:55:56,920
Aye.

676
00:55:57,340 --> 00:55:57,740
Olson.

677
00:55:58,040 --> 00:55:58,160
Aye.

678
00:55:58,460 --> 00:55:58,860
Hazard.

679
00:55:58,960 --> 00:55:59,140
Aye.

680
00:55:59,400 --> 00:55:59,740
Kent.

681
00:56:00,340 --> 00:56:00,740
Lombard.

682
00:56:01,020 --> 00:56:01,160
Aye.

683
00:56:01,460 --> 00:56:01,860
Ellington.

684
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:02,080
Aye.

685
00:56:02,380 --> 00:56:02,780
Swellen.

686
00:56:02,820 --> 00:56:02,980
Aye.

687
00:56:03,260 --> 00:56:03,620
Schindler.

688
00:56:03,820 --> 00:56:03,980
Aye.

689
00:56:04,660 --> 00:56:05,140
All right.

690
00:56:05,260 --> 00:56:06,120
We are in committee the whole.

691
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:07,760
We will start with the chief.

692
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:11,000
He requested to give us an update on the flock camera system.

693
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:12,660
So I will turn it over to chief carloan.

694
00:56:12,940 --> 00:56:13,720
Thank you, Mayor.

695
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:14,320
Thank you, council.

696
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:22,220
So I'm really reporting back on a pilot program that we started last year with the LPR reader in the flock camera system.

697
00:56:22,220 --> 00:56:42,280
I will tell you that it was a donations that did this pilot program and as I stand here today as the chief I'm neutral I do understand the public mistrust that's been put out there recently or throughout the year and I do understand the concerns about that so I respect whatever decision

698
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:47,240
you guys make going forward, I know tonight is just discussion, but whether that is to pause the program,

699
00:56:47,580 --> 00:56:50,680
discontinue it or to continue forward with another year of the program.

700
00:56:51,140 --> 00:56:54,960
Either way, I support it, I'm just really here to present the facts.

701
00:56:55,140 --> 00:57:00,220
I do believe in this technology, I do believe it, it does promote public safety and I can talk

702
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:04,700
to those numbers, and I'll give you some of that prior to any discussion around it.

703
00:57:05,140 --> 00:57:12,020
So reporting back over the past year, we've had 121 cases, and I will only highlight

704
00:57:12,020 --> 00:57:17,820
the double digit numbers here, out of those 121 cases, as far as the, how the flock either

705
00:57:17,820 --> 00:57:24,220
aided in solving that case, or led an investigative lead which ultimately ended up in solving that case.

706
00:57:24,980 --> 00:57:30,560
So 13 cases were related to battery offenses with a suspect's vehicle involved that were resolved

707
00:57:31,050 --> 00:57:38,510
in the use of that technology. 27 cases, out of those 100 in some cases, were related to

708
00:57:38,510 --> 00:57:44,510
welfare check call which could be a suicide or missing type of investigation.

709
00:57:45,410 --> 00:57:50,770
Ten of them were crash hit and run incidents, 16 of them were theft offenses,

710
00:57:51,890 --> 00:58:00,350
seven of them were felony thefts, and some of the other lower level ones,

711
00:58:00,610 --> 00:58:05,510
we had three sexual assault offenses that were aided in that,

712
00:58:05,510 --> 00:58:10,690
and then one of the bigger cases was the cash robbery that the flock

713
00:58:10,690 --> 00:58:17,890
camera was instrumental in solving that case. As far as crime reduction, it's

714
00:58:17,890 --> 00:58:22,890
very hard to measure that. I can tell you this time last year we were at 8,844

715
00:58:22,890 --> 00:58:30,310
calls for service. This year we're at around 6,780 that does go away up and in

716
00:58:30,310 --> 00:58:33,310
and ebbs and flows, but whether that's related

717
00:58:33,310 --> 00:58:36,610
to the cameras being present and having some impact

718
00:58:36,610 --> 00:58:40,550
on way people behave that is very subjective.

719
00:58:40,770 --> 00:58:43,590
So I'll just look at the numbers overall.

720
00:58:44,350 --> 00:58:49,010
As far as total searches, 682 times this was used

721
00:58:49,010 --> 00:58:51,350
as a way to try to identify an offender,

722
00:58:51,470 --> 00:58:54,830
but those 121 cases would have some direct impact

723
00:58:54,830 --> 00:58:56,290
with the flock being involved.

724
00:58:56,290 --> 00:58:59,790
I can address how it's being audited now.

725
00:59:00,410 --> 00:59:03,250
Block has put some safety features in place.

726
00:59:03,830 --> 00:59:07,610
But like I said, I do understand the public mistrust around this.

727
00:59:07,970 --> 00:59:12,250
We recently had SOC City that came out of the program.

728
00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:19,310
If the program in November does, I know that the landscape of law enforcement could be changing in November.

729
00:59:20,030 --> 00:59:26,110
If for some reason the Sheriff's Department drops out of this program going forward,

730
00:59:26,110 --> 00:59:32,290
it could have a significant impact on how effective it is because it is a network of cameras within Sauc County.

731
00:59:32,830 --> 00:59:37,350
So going to a different vendor would change the platform as people

732
00:59:38,330 --> 00:59:42,090
choose to move away from the program, it could change the platform.

733
00:59:42,430 --> 00:59:47,570
And with this being private donations, if it is never going to be part of the budget,

734
00:59:47,850 --> 00:59:55,050
it is very difficult to solicit or to request those funds every year to keep this pilot program going.

735
00:59:56,110 --> 00:59:59,950
So I really do look for some direction, or as the...

736
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:25,740
All we want to go move forward with this. Regardless, we'll keep the community safe. Do I think this is a valuable tool? I do. And I do support it. And I've been around this tool for a long, long time where I came from and now here, but ultimately the community does have a voice in you guys are the final judgment makers on that. So that's kind of where I'll leave it at and open it up to discussion.

737
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:29,800
Any questions for the chief?

738
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:40,360
I do. More comments, I guess. I respect the comments that were made by the public comments section.

739
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:43,180
I think that perception is king.

740
01:00:46,620 --> 01:00:48,980
Listening to the community members, listening to the news,

741
01:00:49,260 --> 01:00:55,620
listening to a bunch of things. I think that the flock company didn't put themselves in a very

742
01:00:55,620 --> 01:00:59,300
position. I think that all around the country these are going away.

743
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:02,860
I do think it's probably

744
01:01:02,860 --> 01:01:11,180
a valuable tool. I really do. And I'm all about rights, but I mean, there's more than

745
01:01:11,180 --> 01:01:17,020
just your cell phone in your hand right now. We're being broadcasted out. The speeches

746
01:01:17,020 --> 01:01:25,840
are broadcasted out, you drive around all day with your license plates out there.

747
01:01:27,980 --> 01:01:33,320
There's other privacy things and it's very difficult to maintain and I think that giving

748
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:38,820
that up with this system really does touch a nerve with a lot of the constituents in

749
01:01:38,820 --> 01:01:39,340
the community.

750
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:45,920
So at that point, I think that even though it may just be a perception, there's numbers

751
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:49,560
the back it up, you have numbers that back it up the other way, I think it is a valuable tool.

752
01:01:50,300 --> 01:01:57,080
But I also think that the will of the people and the perception of the loss of privacy,

753
01:01:59,580 --> 01:02:01,560
I don't think we should move forward.

754
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:05,540
I don't think I could support actually trying to find money for it.

755
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:12,460
I think that we could spend that money in other ways that would be each out to the community and

756
01:02:12,460 --> 01:02:16,880
and find other ways to help public safety.

757
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:19,040
That's my opinion, I'll leave it at that.

758
01:02:19,380 --> 01:02:20,340
And I respect that.

759
01:02:20,620 --> 01:02:22,780
Like I said, I introduced this as a pilot program.

760
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:26,600
I do believe in the safety factors around it, but I do understand the mistrust.

761
01:02:27,060 --> 01:02:30,940
So, I'm really, we're looking, that's why I'm looking forward to feedback on this.

762
01:02:31,180 --> 01:02:34,380
And I completely understand if it's not going to become a budget item.

763
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:36,680
And that's what we needed to know.

764
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:38,680
Andrew, go ahead.

765
01:02:40,020 --> 01:02:48,240
I agree with Jason more than that I agree with the Constitution and when Roberta

766
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:55,200
Philan she talked about this she referred to the Constitution more than once.

767
01:02:55,780 --> 01:03:03,840
We lose our Constitution a bit by bit by bit and pretty soon we have something else and

768
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:16,240
So I cannot support this and I did support it the first time, but I haven't, I didn't really think in terms of a constitution, which I should have.

769
01:03:16,660 --> 01:03:17,260
Thank you.

770
01:03:17,900 --> 01:03:27,420
I just would like to add that I will tell you the Barabood Police Department put strict policies in play and the tool has menus with integrity.

771
01:03:27,420 --> 01:03:40,180
And so, everything that we've done had a case attached to it resulted in a positive outcome with either identifying a suspect and it was all that was supported by the district attorney.

772
01:03:40,180 --> 01:03:50,020
So, this is a legitimate tool that we were using under Siege's requirements, which is the criminal justice information system compliance.

773
01:03:50,320 --> 01:04:03,180
So, I just want to assure the council as well as the citizens that sit here today that the Bearbue Police Department used this with integrity and there was no misuse by this department during this pilot program.

774
01:04:03,180 --> 01:04:11,020
And I totally believe you Chief, it's just that when

775
01:04:13,330 --> 01:04:20,060
we surveil everyone in order to

776
01:04:20,060 --> 01:04:33,210
find one person or two people, it is an infraction on their liberties.

777
01:04:33,830 --> 01:04:34,690
Thank you.

778
01:04:34,690 --> 01:04:42,880
And just to clarify for folks that this is not an action item tonight, so we're just having a discussion and getting an update.

779
01:04:43,180 --> 01:04:49,600
I believe at some future meeting we will have an opportunity to vote on whether to extend or in the program.

780
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:57,860
So I think if the consensus is here that the next meeting could have a resolution just to whatever the outcome you choose.

781
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:02,440
Yeah, I'd like to, as usual, throw in a couple of comments.

782
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:07,500
If I walk into Monards, they have a camera right at the door.

783
01:05:08,620 --> 01:05:10,180
They record me going in.

784
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:12,300
If I walk into Home Depot, they record me.

785
01:05:13,060 --> 01:05:15,520
I wonder, I think they got you at, uh, festival yesterday.

786
01:05:16,180 --> 01:05:17,060
I'm sure they did.

787
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:20,360
And there's nothing I can do to stop that.

788
01:05:20,780 --> 01:05:22,080
Does that private entities?

789
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:23,940
This is.

790
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:24,180
Yeah.

791
01:05:24,180 --> 01:05:30,200
And some private entities are putting these cameras up on their parking lots, just to know.

792
01:05:30,300 --> 01:05:30,580
Absolutely.

793
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:36,620
And the thing I learned, I was shocked by when I walked around getting signatures last

794
01:05:36,620 --> 01:05:39,540
January or whenever the heck it was in the snow.

795
01:05:41,380 --> 01:05:45,060
The number of ring cameras on doorbells.

796
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:47,740
I don't disagree with you.

797
01:05:47,740 --> 01:05:55,520
I really don't disagree with you, but I think we all need to preserve our Constitution

798
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:57,800
to the best of our ability.

799
01:05:58,460 --> 01:06:10,260
And I understand that this was done with integrity, and your names were erased after a certain

800
01:06:10,260 --> 01:06:19,410
amount of time, I believe, and it is simply constitution comes first.

801
01:06:19,990 --> 01:06:20,250
Thank you.

802
01:06:20,370 --> 01:06:25,110
I do want to clarify that a license plate that is identified has to have a secondary

803
01:06:25,110 --> 01:06:25,650
search.

804
01:06:26,030 --> 01:06:31,270
So those plates that are captured by a flock, you don't know the identity until law enforcement

805
01:06:31,270 --> 01:06:35,130
does an NCIC search to identify who that plate belongs to.

806
01:06:35,610 --> 01:06:38,110
So the data was just an investigative lead.

807
01:06:38,110 --> 01:06:42,610
So they just don't want misinformation as to how we were cultivating these leads.

808
01:06:43,070 --> 01:06:47,090
It was a starting point with other investigative tools applied.

809
01:06:47,910 --> 01:06:58,050
And I'll just emphasize with Greg's cheer comment, Ken, that all of those folks you cited are either private homeowners or private businesses who have discretion on what they want to do on their property.

810
01:06:58,570 --> 01:07:07,630
And to Andrew's point, whether we want to extend what level of surveillance on private property is a discussion that we need to have.

811
01:07:07,630 --> 01:07:10,470
because I can choose whether or not to go into minars.

812
01:07:10,670 --> 01:07:13,170
I can't necessarily choose whether to be in public or not.

813
01:07:13,290 --> 01:07:13,950
I don't think so.

814
01:07:15,150 --> 01:07:18,570
If I need to buy a gallon of paint, I got to go into a store somewhere.

815
01:07:19,670 --> 01:07:21,590
And most likely, they all have a camera.

816
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:27,820
Absolutely, but that doesn't extend it to government.

817
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:30,640
David, go ahead.

818
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:34,020
So I oppose this program going into it,

819
01:07:34,220 --> 01:07:38,360
knowing pretty well that it was going to be an effective public safety

820
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:45,260
tool. And I think that number is that chief share that pans that out. But I really haven't

821
01:07:45,260 --> 01:07:49,480
heard anything that's going to change my mind because when I weigh privacy versus safety,

822
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:56,120
you know, can you make the point nine times out of 10? We choose safety. This is one time

823
01:07:56,540 --> 01:08:01,500
where we could actually stand up and actually advocate for privacy. So I would recommend

824
01:08:01,500 --> 01:08:02,320
any of this program.

825
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:06,700
Good, right? Thank you, Mayor.

826
01:08:06,700 --> 01:08:17,100
Another item to consider here is the fact that we're thinking of just how bearable uses this data when this data is available around the country, okay?

827
01:08:17,580 --> 01:08:27,840
And even though our police department may be very diligent in using it respectively, there are other communities who may be sampling and taking our data that aren't so

828
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:47,380
There are reports and news right now of other law enforcement districts that flock put into things saying you have to type in a reason for why you want the search and people are just letting their fingers over the keyboard and putting in miscellaneous letters as the reason and it accepts it.

829
01:08:47,380 --> 01:08:56,940
There's talk that the flock is going to be selling data, supposedly not identify individually,

830
01:08:57,180 --> 01:09:03,280
but to insurance companies and other groups that want to have metrics about how many cars

831
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:06,960
or from where they come from, or anything go through particular areas for marketing reasons.

832
01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:13,340
There's also rumors, I don't know if it's fact that it captures more than just the license plate.

833
01:09:13,340 --> 01:09:16,840
They actually have pictures of the drivers behind a dash.

834
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:23,640
They have pictures of the actually identifies bumper stickers on the vehicles and flags them as well.

835
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:29,040
That is part of the search feature identifying marks on the vehicle.

836
01:09:29,580 --> 01:09:33,200
So if somebody had a particular sticker and was involved in a hit and run,

837
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:35,520
we were allowed to search that vehicle.

838
01:09:35,980 --> 01:09:38,020
But as far as people being captured behind the wheel,

839
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:41,200
if the angle is right when that snapshot is shot,

840
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:52,100
Yeah, you do, but sometimes it's a blur. So I don't disagree with you. I'm just telling you what I've seen from that type of data. Yeah, what I saw that I didn't read the article, but I

841
01:09:52,100 --> 01:10:05,940
overview of it. There's an article in the wired magazine about some, let's just say hackers who stole a flock camera and then actually hacked into it and downloaded all the data and figured out everything it's capturing.

842
01:10:06,780 --> 01:10:10,620
That's where they found out a lot more things than was being said publicly.

843
01:10:10,620 --> 01:10:17,680
Yeah, that's sort of what I would get to adding on the safety of the data that is much

844
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:26,460
as flocked, you know, probably tries to protect their data, having private or personal data

845
01:10:26,460 --> 01:10:34,900
stored like that anywhere puts everybody at risk because no information system is that

846
01:10:34,900 --> 01:10:35,380
safe.

847
01:10:35,380 --> 01:10:58,140
And I just want to tell you what data is stored is the vehicle, like the plate itself only in the vehicle color and that there is no names associated with those plates because they don't have access to run that through NCIC they can only capture that image, you know what I mean that other data would have to be filtered filtered.

848
01:10:58,140 --> 01:11:01,080
You'd have to run that plate to identify the owner.

849
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:05,060
So, what they're capturing, yes, they have control over that.

850
01:11:05,180 --> 01:11:09,820
There is a certain amount of data they can go out below, and I'm saying is that doesn't have a name attached.

851
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:17,500
You may have an agency and an officer attached who ran it, but it should not have the owner's information attached.

852
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:24,760
Because they don't technically have the capability unless they're circumventing that, and I have not had any reports of that.

853
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:24,820
that.

854
01:11:29,090 --> 01:11:31,150
Anybody else want to weigh in at this point?

855
01:11:35,890 --> 01:11:37,830
Okay. All right. Well, thank you, Chief.

856
01:11:38,150 --> 01:11:44,910
All right. Thanks. We will turn things over to the finance team here for an update on the

857
01:11:44,910 --> 01:11:46,310
2027 budget.

858
01:11:50,830 --> 01:11:57,510
So we've been working on coming up with a sort of first cut at the budget after

859
01:11:57,510 --> 01:12:04,110
meeting with department heads. I don't know if, Laura, you're Julie, you want to be on the hot seat.

860
01:12:05,490 --> 01:12:10,170
But this is, like I say, an early iteration of the budget to kind of give counsel

861
01:12:10,790 --> 01:12:15,530
an idea of where we stand at this point. There's still some fine tuning and some choices to be made.

862
01:12:16,870 --> 01:12:18,950
But it gives you at

863
01:12:22,340 --> 01:12:24,040
least a sense of where we are at this point.

864
01:12:33,380 --> 01:12:40,100
So, department heads submitted their requests, they were asked to keep their budgets as tight as possible.

865
01:12:41,260 --> 01:12:44,740
Relatively speaking, they did a really, a very, a really good job.

866
01:12:46,860 --> 01:12:54,580
There is a, there is a cost of living increase in there for employees and benefits, that's where the really where our increases are.

867
01:12:56,100 --> 01:12:59,940
There's a list of items there that are included in this budget.

868
01:12:59,940 --> 01:13:08,930
it? I don't know if you want me to go through them or I don't. Do folks need

869
01:13:08,930 --> 01:13:13,230
lower to go through the list of impacts on the budget? Are you able to put

870
01:13:13,230 --> 01:13:16,770
through that in your own or do you have specific questions on anything that

871
01:13:16,770 --> 01:13:20,670
you see? Having gotten this to just a few

872
01:13:20,670 --> 01:13:27,410
hours ago, I only have a couple questions. If I read this correct, the debt limit or

873
01:13:27,410 --> 01:13:42,750
that debt service goes down by 8.4% okay yes so we currently had levied for debt for interest

874
01:13:42,750 --> 01:13:49,250
payments on the construction of the fire station and we didn't build the fire station we don't

875
01:13:49,250 --> 01:13:57,230
have a construction alone so we still have 261,000 left into the service to be applied some towards the

876
01:13:57,230 --> 01:14:07,330
that. So, we can either apply it towards 2027 payments or we could hold it if we thought

877
01:14:07,330 --> 01:14:11,330
we, you know, we were going to go ahead with that project or we could use it to offset

878
01:14:11,330 --> 01:14:13,770
whatever borrowing we have for fire EMS.

879
01:14:14,290 --> 01:14:19,490
I was just baffled because the last session we should, we okayed the borrowing of another

880
01:14:19,490 --> 01:14:25,790
4.9 million and now your debt service went down and I was like, I'm just a little farm boy

881
01:14:25,790 --> 01:14:28,290
from Green County. I was trying to figure out how that could happen.

882
01:14:28,450 --> 01:14:34,330
Right. So Harry was not really aware that we had not spent all of the proceeds that we had

883
01:14:34,330 --> 01:14:41,890
the year before. Okay. And they're also, they're also sometimes dead issues that come off the

884
01:14:41,890 --> 01:14:47,030
ledger as well. So yes, we're adding something in but there could potentially be other things

885
01:14:47,030 --> 01:14:51,750
that we're not. Have we paid off any Dutch lately? I think we paid them off fairly regularly.

886
01:14:51,750 --> 01:14:56,730
I mean, we try to stagger them so that the debt service is fairly level.

887
01:14:57,010 --> 01:14:59,770
Yeah, and actually he actually increased the payment on 2020.

888
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:09,240
7, 4, this debt we just had, because we were out of balance. So he was trying to get us back into balance with that. The first payment. I mean, I.

889
01:15:11,300 --> 01:15:19,660
There's a comment inside of there that either we're not giving others the information. Well, we're not getting what we're paying for.

890
01:15:20,700 --> 01:15:22,240
Do you understand what I'm saying?

891
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:26,740
Like he wasn't aware that we didn't pay that down.

892
01:15:26,900 --> 01:15:30,220
And then there was also the way he portrayed it,

893
01:15:30,980 --> 01:15:32,420
like we were ahead somehow,

894
01:15:33,860 --> 01:15:37,380
and we were like $8 million ahead or something like that.

895
01:15:37,460 --> 01:15:39,720
And it was really because of the loan.

896
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:41,380
It wasn't like we were really ahead.

897
01:15:42,260 --> 01:15:47,280
And I just think there may have been some miscommunication

898
01:15:47,280 --> 01:16:05,960
communication with with with with with Ellers when they were developing that report or that audit or whatever, but I will say this just by what I saw in that report and the comments that I'm kind of picking up on, I don't know that we're getting what we're paying for with Ellers. I I I I struggle with with with some of their reporting.

899
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:14,420
So he did have the 400,000 that we borrowed on the levy worksheet on that you know on the worksheet that he had for you

900
01:16:14,420 --> 01:16:20,720
He just didn't realize that it wasn't all spent and he knew it wasn't gonna be put back on he asked about the fire station

901
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:22,240
So he knew that we

902
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:27,220
Love it for it, and he knew it wasn't gonna be on this you know

903
01:16:27,220 --> 01:16:33,120
It was it was kind of I don't remember the comment. It was kind it was we were like eight million dollars

904
01:16:34,780 --> 01:16:40,980
in the good, and the majority of that was because of a loan that was.

905
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:45,360
I mean, I think, I mean, what I remember, and I don't know if this is what you're referencing,

906
01:16:45,740 --> 01:16:49,100
is there was some confusion about the payment, the lease payment for this building,

907
01:16:49,540 --> 01:16:54,060
that there was $510,000, that there was that too.

908
01:16:54,420 --> 01:16:59,160
Right, but that that was, but that that, it looked like a loan here that we were taking out new borrowing,

909
01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:05,840
But that was basically our least payment that we paid at the CDA for this building that was part of the original plan for paying this building off.

910
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:09,040
It wasn't a dark of night.

911
01:17:09,740 --> 01:17:14,940
No, I don't think that there's anybody twisting their mustache.

912
01:17:15,480 --> 01:17:22,660
What I'm saying is, the quality of work, I just feel like it's not.

913
01:17:24,900 --> 01:17:27,480
That's my opinion. I'm going to leave that in my opinion.

914
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:33,260
That's an hours issue. Right. I mean, that may be a discussion for another day that maybe you're not quite what we're on right now.

915
01:17:34,020 --> 01:17:34,400
Good, Andrea.

916
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:45,400
Does Ellers get paid for making this $4.9 million loan for us?

917
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:54,060
They do. There's a fee structure for the issuance of debt and one of the parts is, is errors, yeah.

918
01:17:54,500 --> 01:17:54,900
Yeah, right.

919
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:58,680
And I think that was in his presentation, I think there was a line item that said what their fees were.

920
01:17:58,900 --> 01:18:00,220
Yes, I was pretty sure of that.

921
01:18:01,020 --> 01:18:04,760
They provide us other financial guidance that they do not charge for, though.

922
01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:15,220
I'm just saying if we didn't really need the loan, it would have, then we wouldn't have been paying them for it, so thank you.

923
01:18:19,290 --> 01:18:27,210
Yeah, I apologize, you're going to make it sound incredibly simple and my question is going to look incredibly stupid, but under the fund balance management.

924
01:18:28,270 --> 01:18:30,930
I'm trying to line that up with the columns, Lori.

925
01:18:31,410 --> 01:18:38,490
So what do you think will end the year at in fund balance in 2026, 2026?

926
01:18:39,510 --> 01:18:44,690
So we are estimating that there will be a surplus in the budget of about 200,000 at this point.

927
01:18:46,530 --> 01:18:49,690
Projected numbers are a little iffy.

928
01:18:50,310 --> 01:18:56,330
Well, I'm trying to get my mind around it, and I'm not, this isn't, we're going to lock you in and tire in further if you're wrong.

929
01:18:57,310 --> 01:19:07,070
Okay, because a big part of this budget, and I'm not necessarily know to this, I'm not saying that I'm trying to understand it, is we're going to take a sizeable amount for fun balance.

930
01:19:07,070 --> 01:19:13,310
to square the budget and then we have a policy that says fund balance shouldn't

931
01:19:13,310 --> 01:19:15,970
exceed, I think it's 25% or something like that.

932
01:19:16,430 --> 01:19:20,330
And in your opinion, policy says it should be, it's a little contradictory because one

933
01:19:20,330 --> 01:19:25,610
sentence says fund balance should be between 15% and 20%, and then the next sentence

934
01:19:25,610 --> 01:19:28,110
says anything over 25% needs to be spent.

935
01:19:28,930 --> 01:19:33,230
Okay, but getting it down to between 15 and 20 is certainly within policy.

936
01:19:33,230 --> 01:19:43,870
Okay, far be it for us to have a policy, so where is the fund balance and what will it be if we take this money up?

937
01:19:46,910 --> 01:19:51,470
So, fund balance at the end of this year, at the end of this year, then is anticipated to be at 26%.

938
01:19:52,270 --> 01:19:59,210
And if we were to apply, this was the mayor's recommendation, to go ahead and

939
01:19:59,210 --> 01:20:04,010
And apply substantial amount of fund balance to balance this budget, we'd still be at 21.

940
01:20:04,530 --> 01:20:06,450
Okay, and what's that number?

941
01:20:06,930 --> 01:20:08,650
Just how many million dollars?

942
01:20:08,950 --> 01:20:10,570
You can round it and protect yourself.

943
01:20:10,910 --> 01:20:11,730
Well, 3.7?

944
01:20:12,250 --> 01:20:19,630
Okay, so if we do this, we'd be at about 3.7 million in the reserve fund balance.

945
01:20:19,830 --> 01:20:23,290
Okay, and I'm not trying to just try to understand the chart here,

946
01:20:26,810 --> 01:20:27,850
and

947
01:20:27,850 --> 01:20:30,590
This does include an HR director.

948
01:20:31,350 --> 01:20:32,950
Yeah, I'll just go through.

949
01:20:33,130 --> 01:20:35,670
Okay, so this budget includes a wage study.

950
01:20:36,210 --> 01:20:38,210
It includes adding an HR director

951
01:20:38,210 --> 01:20:40,210
and includes adding a city planner

952
01:20:41,130 --> 01:20:44,210
in place of the economic development director.

953
01:20:46,110 --> 01:20:49,390
It does include well capital items, I guess.

954
01:20:50,070 --> 01:20:53,630
It includes cost of living increases,

955
01:20:54,150 --> 01:20:55,470
increase in health insurance.

956
01:20:55,470 --> 01:21:00,690
It does not include an increase for fire EMS, because we're not allowed to make that

957
01:21:00,690 --> 01:21:01,630
adjustment.

958
01:21:02,750 --> 01:21:07,230
We'd be borrowing for anything over what last year's assessment was.

959
01:21:17,650 --> 01:21:22,490
Does include extending and engineering tech through next year's construction season.

960
01:21:23,290 --> 01:21:30,670
It includes combining a part-time public works employee and two-season employees to make

961
01:21:30,670 --> 01:21:31,770
time parks technician.

962
01:21:35,510 --> 01:21:43,430
It includes creating a part-time recreation assistant position, using

963
01:21:43,430 --> 01:21:52,370
program previous program wages, basically just having one person. It includes funding

964
01:21:52,370 --> 01:21:59,710
for library staff. It's now our position for custodian they currently already have that's

965
01:21:59,710 --> 01:22:07,990
funded by the library trust fund. It includes a currently current position for six hours for a

966
01:22:07,990 --> 01:22:16,050
library assistant one and it includes adding a front desk person for 20 hours to eliminate the

967
01:22:16,050 --> 01:22:18,510
salary staff from having to work the desk.

968
01:22:23,290 --> 01:22:24,950
Those are pretty much the changes.

969
01:22:30,090 --> 01:22:33,330
But we are still

970
01:22:33,330 --> 01:22:48,930
We're still short, we're out of violence by 189,000, so we would still need to make cuts because now we're at a point where expenditure restraints, we would not be eligible for expenditure restraint if we didn't make 189,000 in cuts.

971
01:22:50,470 --> 01:22:54,030
So we've got 10,000 on the taxi for capital.

972
01:22:55,490 --> 01:23:07,910
Yeah, we did so we were contributing for the purchase of the vehicles and then we discontinued that a few years ago when we weren't sure if we were going to have it, we had just bought three new ones and we weren't sure if we were going to continue the service.

973
01:23:08,650 --> 01:23:14,750
So now we want to just start that contribution again.

974
01:23:14,750 --> 01:23:16,630
I have like 40 of them parked up at old residence

975
01:23:16,630 --> 01:23:18,450
for you in your home right now that I've been used here.

976
01:23:18,990 --> 01:23:21,570
I mean, we have a surplus of vehicles.

977
01:23:21,690 --> 01:23:23,250
Do they have to speak on the taxi?

978
01:23:23,450 --> 01:23:23,730
I don't know.

979
01:23:24,110 --> 01:23:25,850
Aren't those vehicles owned by the state?

980
01:23:27,070 --> 01:23:27,650
I'm asking.

981
01:23:28,150 --> 01:23:29,510
I believe they supply them.

982
01:23:29,630 --> 01:23:29,970
We don't.

983
01:23:30,410 --> 01:23:30,930
No, I believe.

984
01:23:31,050 --> 01:23:32,210
So we paid 20%.

985
01:23:32,210 --> 01:23:32,990
Oh, OK.

986
01:23:33,830 --> 01:23:34,990
And there's not 40 there.

987
01:23:35,070 --> 01:23:36,070
I mean, it's not even.

988
01:23:36,590 --> 01:23:37,510
Well, we have extra vehicles.

989
01:23:37,510 --> 01:23:38,210
We have a couple extras.

990
01:23:38,750 --> 01:23:40,710
Because we did downsize the fleet.

991
01:23:41,050 --> 01:23:41,270
OK.

992
01:23:41,750 --> 01:23:43,490
And we can't use those in lieu of the town,

993
01:23:43,490 --> 01:23:45,550
or they don't really have a life in them there?

994
01:23:46,670 --> 01:23:47,810
I don't know.

995
01:23:48,290 --> 01:23:48,650
The

996
01:23:51,790 --> 01:23:53,530
way we're doing the taxes for us,

997
01:23:54,250 --> 01:23:58,750
and that's how we utilize more bands

998
01:23:58,750 --> 01:23:59,890
and we really need it.

999
01:24:00,450 --> 01:24:03,750
So when we change the structure of how we're

1000
01:24:03,750 --> 01:24:05,710
running the business of it,

1001
01:24:06,010 --> 01:24:08,610
we're like, okay, we shouldn't have to use as many taxis now

1002
01:24:08,610 --> 01:24:13,350
because we're taking hours away from service.

1003
01:24:13,350 --> 01:24:26,070
So when we did that, some of the older ones now could set and we're, so we're trying to get more hours out of all of the vehicles we have, but we haven't gotten any for like three years.

1004
01:24:26,650 --> 01:24:34,930
So I'm thinking like by 28, we're going to have to get one or two more because these old old ones are going to have to come off of the fleets.

1005
01:24:34,930 --> 01:24:37,750
I get it, but I think you're right for that.

1006
01:24:37,890 --> 01:24:43,210
So I think what you're getting at is that's potentially a place where we take that 10,000

1007
01:24:43,210 --> 01:24:47,450
and apply it somewhere else and then if and when we get to a point where we need a new.

1008
01:24:48,690 --> 01:24:53,870
If you can borrow for it or do find another way to come up the money, but we have to pay 20%

1009
01:24:53,870 --> 01:24:57,630
and they're not in our, they're not our vehicles, the stake in as well as.

1010
01:24:57,790 --> 01:25:03,430
Okay, and I just hit that, my constituent's hotspots, the pool is in here.

1011
01:25:03,430 --> 01:25:12,890
look at it, John. Great year. It's closed, made. Any major capital items for next year in the pool?

1012
01:25:13,790 --> 01:25:15,130
Does that see any in the bucket?

1013
01:25:15,970 --> 01:25:16,530
We don't answer.

1014
01:25:41,330 --> 01:25:41,950
Nice job.

1015
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:52,520
Did you go back to it? Yeah, there was one thing I don't understand here.

1016
01:25:53,300 --> 01:26:00,080
I thought the shortfall or the deficit of 189,000 was covered by the fund balance, but

1017
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:03,060
Explain that's note of expenditure restraint.

1018
01:26:03,500 --> 01:26:04,960
Am I misunderstanding that?

1019
01:26:08,170 --> 01:26:08,770
Yeah, correct.

1020
01:26:08,990 --> 01:26:14,290
So we were actually short more than the 497 that's applied, but

1021
01:26:14,970 --> 01:26:25,330
expenditure restraint is not allowing the general fund to grow by more than CPI plus 60% of net new construction.

1022
01:26:26,650 --> 01:26:31,210
So it makes expenditure restraint is not going to allow us to increase the general fund budget.

1023
01:26:31,210 --> 01:26:34,650
by any more of the amount we have in it right now.

1024
01:26:35,350 --> 01:26:37,490
We can't add it into the general form.

1025
01:26:37,850 --> 01:26:40,130
So that's a state statute that's restraining us.

1026
01:26:40,610 --> 01:26:44,830
Yeah, we lose 275, 6,000 in revenue if we don't maintain

1027
01:26:45,610 --> 01:26:47,450
an expenditure restraint, if we don't

1028
01:26:47,450 --> 01:26:48,310
we strain our expenditures.

1029
01:26:48,650 --> 01:26:51,010
So half a million dollars fell out of this guy

1030
01:26:51,010 --> 01:26:52,450
and we wanted to increase our budget.

1031
01:26:53,110 --> 01:26:56,390
That'd be fine, we'd lose 260,000 but we'd end up

1032
01:26:56,390 --> 01:27:00,410
in the positive, but if we go just over

1033
01:27:00,410 --> 01:27:04,510
then we lose that to. Right. So we're at the point where we can't apply any more fund

1034
01:27:04,510 --> 01:27:10,630
balance because then we would be out of expenditure restraint. Then that answers my other question.

1035
01:27:10,890 --> 01:27:15,870
Could we dip into fund balance to cover the shortfall with the fire remest district? And you're saying no

1036
01:27:15,870 --> 01:27:16,630
we can't do that.

1037
01:27:19,980 --> 01:27:22,420
We're going to have to borrow and pass it on to the result.

1038
01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:27,700
Well I suppose you could

1039
01:27:27,700 --> 01:27:30,480
been transferred to pay that debt.

1040
01:27:33,290 --> 01:27:36,050
And then you don't want to continue doing that every year, of course.

1041
01:27:37,530 --> 01:27:41,310
Sure, you know, typically, you don't want to borrow to do it every year.

1042
01:27:41,330 --> 01:27:45,450
Yeah, you take from a front balance for a one time thing or something and

1043
01:27:45,890 --> 01:27:51,070
not make it a regular policy, you spending that money down just to balance the budget.

1044
01:27:54,380 --> 01:27:59,760
You've got a $30,000 or $28,000, $1,000 increase in building inspections.

1045
01:28:02,130 --> 01:28:09,370
That's because our contractor, MSA, has gone up that much, or have gone up that much.

1046
01:28:09,690 --> 01:28:10,630
Tom, speak to that.

1047
01:28:13,170 --> 01:28:17,990
My understanding is we basically lose money on building inspections, like we charge

1048
01:28:17,990 --> 01:28:23,010
a resident to come in for building inspection and then MSA does it and we pay MSA more than

1049
01:28:23,010 --> 01:28:23,830
what we've collected.

1050
01:28:24,550 --> 01:28:25,330
Is there any way to close?

1051
01:28:25,490 --> 01:28:26,410
I'm just looking for some.

1052
01:28:27,650 --> 01:28:32,410
So it would be proposing an action that can take to increase the fee, change the fee schedule,

1053
01:28:33,070 --> 01:28:37,890
which, yes, is it $24,000 improvement, right?

1054
01:28:38,150 --> 01:28:43,930
Tom thought we'd have to increase building permit fees by 30% in order to cover inspection fees.

1055
01:28:45,310 --> 01:28:46,550
Something to maybe think about.

1056
01:28:46,830 --> 01:28:48,270
I would say yes, yep.

1057
01:28:54,650 --> 01:29:00,520
And while we're picking on Tom, engineering's up quite a bit.

1058
01:29:01,580 --> 01:29:10,140
43,000. So Dennis is going to stay on and train our new engineering technician William

1059
01:29:10,140 --> 01:29:15,540
Harrison through the next construction season. He's part time and has been helping us

1060
01:29:15,540 --> 01:29:23,950
out for the last several years and it would be a good transition to provide that oversight.

1061
01:29:25,330 --> 01:29:28,750
So it's up this year but then it

1062
01:29:31,540 --> 01:29:32,820
would be done. You know, then it would be done.

1063
01:29:32,820 --> 01:29:42,240
So, we only have one engineering tech position currently from a management and this is Canada

1064
01:29:43,300 --> 01:29:43,700
Mayor.

1065
01:29:45,220 --> 01:29:47,960
What's best for you to move forward?

1066
01:29:48,100 --> 01:29:48,700
Do you want direction?

1067
01:29:48,940 --> 01:29:54,040
I mean, my opinion, this is just one first, is that we're going to have to close at $189,000

1068
01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:54,280
yet.

1069
01:29:55,060 --> 01:29:59,940
Is it best rather than us sitting here in micromanage you or to say, look, can you come back

1070
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:29,040
I talked to us with some proposals to close at $189,000. Right, and I talked to Lori earlier today about some options. You know, where we could get that at least into a far more manageable figure. But it was kind of late to try to get those to ripple through the spreadsheet. So, yeah, I mean, I think we'd be happy to, you know, come back with some options or at least something that gets it closer to balanced and get your reaction to that next time. But we did want to at least give you.

1071
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:33,280
kind of the state. This is the preview. This is, you know, everything requested.

1072
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:42,220
Any other feedback or comments? So I have to digest in a short time.

1073
01:30:45,080 --> 01:30:51,300
Well, it's a lot, and I guess this was on a short period of time to review it.

1074
01:30:51,800 --> 01:30:55,180
I'm sure if I have any more questions, I'll email.

1075
01:31:06,580 --> 01:31:13,720
All right, I'll entertain a motion to rise and report from committee of the whole second

1076
01:31:13,720 --> 01:31:14,220
by hazard.

1077
01:31:14,780 --> 01:31:19,520
All right, we have a motion and a second to rise and report from committee of the whole and return to regular session.

1078
01:31:21,260 --> 01:31:22,160
Please call the roll.

1079
01:31:22,160 --> 01:31:24,160
All right.

1080
01:31:27,260 --> 01:31:28,140
All right.

1081
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:29,880
All right.

1082
01:31:29,900 --> 01:31:30,580
All right.

1083
01:31:30,580 --> 01:31:30,740
All right.

1084
01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:31,140
All right.

1085
01:31:31,360 --> 01:31:31,900
All right.

1086
01:31:31,900 --> 01:31:32,220
All right.

1087
01:31:32,940 --> 01:31:33,200
All right.

1088
01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:34,080
We are back in open.

1089
01:31:34,300 --> 01:31:35,460
Or back in regular session.

1090
01:31:36,180 --> 01:31:36,580
Takes a tie.

1091
01:31:36,660 --> 01:31:37,000
In 15.

1092
01:31:37,160 --> 01:31:37,340
John.

1093
01:31:37,400 --> 01:31:39,160
Do you have any comments for tonight?

1094
01:31:39,340 --> 01:31:40,220
No additional comments.

1095
01:31:40,540 --> 01:31:40,760
Any.

1096
01:31:41,620 --> 01:31:42,940
All the persons with announcements.

1097
01:31:44,580 --> 01:31:45,240
All right.

1098
01:31:45,420 --> 01:31:48,200
Reports, petitions and correspondence were included in your packet,

1099
01:31:48,200 --> 01:31:51,080
which takes us to item 17.

1100
01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:54,340
Council can consider moving into closed session

1101
01:31:54,340 --> 01:31:57,840
pursuant to Wisconsin stats 19.85 sub one sub E

1102
01:31:58,340 --> 01:32:00,920
to deliberate or negotiate the purchase of public properties

1103
01:32:00,920 --> 01:32:02,060
and investment of public funds

1104
01:32:02,060 --> 01:32:03,920
or conducting other specified public business

1105
01:32:04,480 --> 01:32:07,280
when competitive or bargaining reasons require a closed session

1106
01:32:07,280 --> 01:32:09,400
specifically for three items tonight

1107
01:32:10,120 --> 01:32:13,320
and in reference to our guests from the county,

1108
01:32:13,320 --> 01:32:15,040
I'm gonna recommend we take them in this order.

1109
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:17,160
Discussion regarding future ownership

1110
01:32:17,160 --> 01:32:21,000
and potential redevelopment of the former UW-Platteville-Birdwood-Sought County campus.

1111
01:32:22,720 --> 01:32:25,820
Negotiations with the Wisconsin-Plovelies, professional police

1112
01:32:28,020 --> 01:32:32,760
association concerning terms and conditions of success or collective bargaining agreement

1113
01:32:33,260 --> 01:32:37,540
and discussion required regarding proposed acquisition of the Ringling Hospital property.

1114
01:32:41,850 --> 01:32:47,310
And I would also, for the first part of the closed session, for the first item,

1115
01:32:48,050 --> 01:32:55,070
Requested city staff be allowed to stay and are three guests from Saat County, at least for the beginning of that discussion.

1116
01:32:55,670 --> 01:32:56,830
Council is amenable to that.

1117
01:32:58,250 --> 01:32:59,110
You need a motion.

1118
01:32:59,350 --> 01:32:59,930
Do you need a motion?

1119
01:33:00,210 --> 01:33:00,410
So moved.

1120
01:33:01,910 --> 01:33:02,690
Second by hand.

1121
01:33:03,630 --> 01:33:04,030
Okay.

1122
01:33:04,190 --> 01:33:06,510
We have a motion and a second to go into closed session.

1123
01:33:06,710 --> 01:33:07,730
Would you please call the roll?

1124
01:33:08,230 --> 01:33:08,610
Hazard.

1125
01:33:08,850 --> 01:33:09,150
All right.

1126
01:33:09,430 --> 01:33:09,570
Kent.

1127
01:33:10,390 --> 01:33:10,790
Lambert.

1128
01:33:11,010 --> 01:33:13,310
All right.

1129
01:33:13,310 --> 01:33:23,170
All right. All right. All right. All right. As soon as we get the AB shut down in the doors closed. We'll be in close session.

1130
02:33:25,420 --> 02:33:31,360
And honestly, we will be back in open session as soon as we've got our video feed back on.

1131
02:33:35,830 --> 02:33:55,690
Okay, we are back in open session and on the item 19, 19.1 consideration and possible action to authorize city officials to submit a written request to sought county, pursuant to Wisconsin stat 75.17 requesting transfer, the former former Ringling Hospital property located at 1208 Oak Street moved

1132
02:34:00,140 --> 02:34:02,080
by hazard, second,

1133
02:34:02,080 --> 02:34:02,780
The

1134
02:34:05,820 --> 02:34:15,180
motion and a second to authorize city officials to submit a written request to request the property of the former Ringling Hospital at 1208 Oak Street.

1135
02:34:16,320 --> 02:34:20,720
Any further discussion on the motion? I don't know if Nick wants to add anything before we vote.

1136
02:34:21,180 --> 02:34:26,260
Oh, I did have some information about the liability issues if you want to get it down.

1137
02:34:26,660 --> 02:34:28,780
Yeah, I'd like to hear about it.

1138
02:34:28,780 --> 02:34:31,140
especially the hazard is waste stuff.

1139
02:34:32,440 --> 02:34:36,840
Sure, I can try to give a quick overview since we're kind of on time constraints.

1140
02:34:38,120 --> 02:34:45,020
First of all, for like premises liability negligence issues, we'd have a lot of governmental

1141
02:34:45,020 --> 02:34:45,760
immunity.

1142
02:34:46,260 --> 02:34:50,380
So if somebody goes in there and gets injured, it's very likely governmental immunity would

1143
02:34:50,380 --> 02:34:50,720
apply.

1144
02:34:51,280 --> 02:34:56,340
Also, we don't know what duty to trust passers, typically, so it's hard for somebody to

1145
02:34:56,340 --> 02:35:00,580
go in their trespass and then sue us and say, hey, like you guys were negligent, you didn't

1146
02:35:00,580 --> 02:35:04,300
secure the property. And let's say we do make decisions about securing the property

1147
02:35:04,300 --> 02:35:08,860
and somebody still gets injured. That's a discretionary decision and we'd have governmental immunity.

1148
02:35:10,240 --> 02:35:17,660
For if it's, so the main exclusion to governmental immunity is if there's a ministerial duty, that's

1149
02:35:17,660 --> 02:35:21,460
basically a situation where there isn't really a choice left to the government of what needs

1150
02:35:21,460 --> 02:35:22,040
to be done.

1151
02:35:24,220 --> 02:35:27,620
So I can give you a couple hypotheticals. Let's say we take ownership, but we know the

1152
02:35:27,620 --> 02:35:31,620
building's vacant and dangerous. We have to decide to put up a fence board, the windows,

1153
02:35:31,960 --> 02:35:36,760
higher security, or start demolition. These are all judgment calls, and there's no single

1154
02:35:36,760 --> 02:35:42,100
legally mandated answer. That's the kind of situation where we'd have governmental immunity.

1155
02:35:43,440 --> 02:35:46,760
If somebody got injured as a result of one of our decisions related to those

1156
02:35:47,300 --> 02:35:49,240
topics, we probably have a meeting.

1157
02:35:51,980 --> 02:35:54,780
Now change the fact, let's say there's like a

1158
02:35:54,780 --> 02:35:58,520
large hole in the floor, we know people are getting into the building, and we

1159
02:35:58,520 --> 02:36:01,660
have a city policy directive that specifically says that hole has to be

1160
02:36:01,660 --> 02:36:06,280
secured. And employee knows about it, but simply we just don't do anything about it.

1161
02:36:06,900 --> 02:36:10,600
Now let's say then somebody gets injured in that hole. Then that's a situation

1162
02:36:10,600 --> 02:36:13,760
where we'd likely have a legal duty because we already have a policy saying we

1163
02:36:13,760 --> 02:36:14,500
We need to deal with it.

1164
02:36:14,720 --> 02:36:16,780
We already know about the situation and we're ignoring it.

1165
02:36:18,140 --> 02:36:23,020
So in that kind of situation, governmental immunity probably wouldn't apply, but in a lot of

1166
02:36:23,020 --> 02:36:23,900
situations it would.

1167
02:36:24,240 --> 02:36:25,160
I mean, it's not absolute.

1168
02:36:25,840 --> 02:36:29,680
I had more information prepared, but I know we're kind of on time constraints.

1169
02:36:30,560 --> 02:36:32,880
The other major live response

1170
02:37:52,720 --> 02:37:53,980
would be part of still exists.

1171
02:37:55,020 --> 02:37:55,160
Right.

1172
02:37:56,120 --> 02:37:56,820
That's a good point.

1173
02:38:13,660 --> 02:38:23,440
So it sounds like it would be a super concerning property, and I mean there definitely are some concerns, but it's not as bad as you would think.

1174
02:38:23,440 --> 02:38:24,180
He's really been

1175
02:38:26,770 --> 02:38:29,090
re-ordered up and re-ordered up and re-ordered up.

1176
02:38:30,010 --> 02:38:33,670
Now extension landers to get up in the third story in a bunch of women.

1177
02:38:34,010 --> 02:38:35,870
Now, has anybody gotten injured there?

1178
02:38:36,190 --> 02:38:38,730
Any bad things happened within the last 10 years or anything?

1179
02:38:38,890 --> 02:38:39,650
I haven't heard.

1180
02:38:39,790 --> 02:38:39,930
I haven't heard.

1181
02:38:39,930 --> 02:38:40,070
I haven't heard.

1182
02:38:40,070 --> 02:38:41,110
Tell you to find bad things.

1183
02:38:41,410 --> 02:38:43,210
But nothing good, the city is aware of.

1184
02:38:43,390 --> 02:38:43,630
Okay.

1185
02:38:43,870 --> 02:38:47,590
They've got all sorts of bad things that can pull out the result of an injury.

1186
02:38:48,230 --> 02:38:49,270
It has a Chris.

1187
02:38:49,830 --> 02:38:49,890
It has a Chris.

1188
02:38:50,150 --> 02:38:51,710
It has

1189
02:38:53,880 --> 02:38:58,180
a Chris.

1190
02:39:01,030 --> 02:39:02,570
We have a motion in a second.

1191
02:39:05,930 --> 02:39:13,130
All right. Hearing no further discussion. Please call the rule. Kent. Hi, Lambert. Hi, Ellington. Hi, swollen.

1192
02:39:13,350 --> 02:39:14,830
I'm in there. I'm staying.

1193
02:39:15,610 --> 02:39:17,910
Top of them. Absolutely. I.

1194
02:39:19,940 --> 02:39:23,420
Is that an absolutely or an absolutely not? Absolutely. I.

1195
02:39:23,720 --> 02:39:24,020
Okay.

1196
02:39:24,940 --> 02:39:25,540
Sorry.

1197
02:39:25,900 --> 02:39:26,480
Double.

1198
02:39:26,800 --> 02:39:27,400
Also.

1199
02:39:27,680 --> 02:39:27,860
Hi.

1200
02:39:29,980 --> 02:39:36,080
motion carries 7-0 with one abstention correct all right motion carries that takes a

1201
02:39:36,080 --> 02:39:39,340
slightly 20 with no further items on our agenda I'll entertain a motion to a

1202
02:39:39,340 --> 02:39:43,840
adjourn hello all in favor of a adjourn is there a second or a second is there a

1203
02:39:43,840 --> 02:39:58,030
second sure yeah yeah in seconds it

1204
02:39:58,030 --> 02:40:02,890
Hi, we are adjourned ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for your work tonight. We're gonna

1205
02:40:04,910 --> 02:40:06,850
do this project