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Brian, if you want to stick around

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for the executive session

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regarding our meeting today, that's okay.

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That's fine. You don't have to.

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I was just gonna give the council a recap, let 'em know

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where we're at and Okay.

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Look pretty Well up to you.

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Not a big deal, but yeah.

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Wow, that's nice. Okay,

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were anything.

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We are prompt. Okay, counsel,

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it is 6:00 PM on Tuesday, August 4th, 2026

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and I will call this regular meeting

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of the Berry City Council to order Counsel,

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is there any adjustments

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that you would like to see to the agenda?

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No. Yes sir. Okay. Hearing and seeing done a motion.

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Oh, we have the removal

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Memo item on new business item E,

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the storm, the drain basin.

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Yeah. And should be deferred. The memo isn't ready number

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So, okay.

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So that would be item eight E on the agenda.

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Okay. We will strike that. The record will reflect that.

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Councilor Spalding

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and Council Hil Gartner joined the meeting.

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So thank you very much. Any other adjustments to the agenda?

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Okay, hearing is seeing none.

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A motion to approve the agenda would be in order. So moved.

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Second. Thank you. It's moved and seconded it.

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Is there any discussion? Hearing none. All those in favor?

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The motion is presented. Please signify by saying aye. Aye.

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Aye. Aye. And those opposed? Motion carries.

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Thank you very much. Under item three, visitors, visitors

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and communications, anyone wishing to address the council

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regarding an item that is not in the agenda?

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Yes ma'am. Come right up.

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State your name for the record and have at it. How are you?

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Yes please, if you don't mind.

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Sit stand. Sit down. Be comfortable please.

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Yeah, and just state your name for the record

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so the clerk can record it. Sure. Thank

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You.

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My name is Sonia Plum. I'm

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Sorry, Sonya Plum.

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How can we Help you? So an ia.

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Well Sue hig me from Studio Place

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Arts suggested that I come here.

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So I wanted to alert you to the fact that

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I'm working on a new project with the Vermont Granite Museum

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and Studio Place Arts.

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I am a local choreographer, president

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of the Vermont Dance Alliance

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and a teaching artist with the state of Vermont.

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The project has to do with the,

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it's called Romance in the Stones.

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So it is about the granite industry and the rock artists.

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It's a community engagement project that is going to include

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families and students and professional dancers

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and is very invested in the community.

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So I wanted to alert you to that fact

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and I hope to see you there as well.

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Invite you there. It's launching October four

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through 10 at the Granite Museum

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and hoping it will be a year long project

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and we'll include residencies in the schools as well.

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but I have no idea if that's even allowed here. Oh,

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With it absolutely is, of course.

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Cool. So is it a,

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A musical dance play so to speak?

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dance performance.

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with the, like families sculpt the dance day so they can,

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students can not only just see

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the granite carvings and learn how that industry works,

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but how that relates to dance and movement

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and wellness be interested and the arts.

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And for the record, I have been riding the bus

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Berry City as a state mon bus monitor

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for the past year or so.

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I've really gotten to know the students. Yeah.

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Fantastic. Yeah. So where should I,

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Yeah, if you'd like to, if you could leave those

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with Council Ruth here and he'll pass 'em around.

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We'll make sure that everyone gets one.

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Great, thank you so much. And don't be

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afraid to come back again.

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May I call you Sonya? Yes, Sonya.

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Don't be afraid to come back again

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and shamelessly promote your event.

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Okay, thank you very much.

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Is there anyone else under visitor and communications?

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Okay, hearing and seeing. No one counsel, Mr. May have one.

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Oh, Amy Alford. Oh Amy, I'm sorry. Snuck right

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That's okay. I snuck right in. Yes.

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I just wanted to mention there's been discussion at a couple

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of the neighborhood flood meetings most recently.

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The one in the north end about dealing with sand

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and gravel coming into the city from outside sources.

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And I happen to notice there's a state program

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called the Environmental Notice Bulletin.

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which a lot of 'em have a public notice period,

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they show up on this list.

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There's currently one for LePage's gravel.

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So I don't know a lot about the three acre stormwater

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permitting process, but it seems like if there's a time

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where the city would have any feedback about

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the way they're managing stormwater on that site, it's kind

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of like now would be the time to, to put in some comments.

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I don't know how that, I don't know anything about

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that site, but you know, if it's a matter of it needing

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places where the sand

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and gravel can settle out, you know, and let the water pass.

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'cause obviously the debris wrecks on Gunner's Brook are

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not designed for sand and gravel.

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That's just setting up in our, our storm system.

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'cause that's currently on public notice.

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Thank you. Councilor Guston. Amy,

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Amy, could you shoot me an email

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with that information please?

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and I'll, if you search

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for like Vermont Environmental No Notice Bulletin

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or ENB, you'll find the site

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and you can actually set it up so you can have an alert.

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I do it for work that I have certain things

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sending me an alert.

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You can also do it on a geographic basis.

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So I also have added like the stuff for Berry City

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and Berry Town shows up in my email

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when there's something new there.

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And then you can follow, there's a way.

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So that's the subscribing when there's something new.

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project you can kind of follow it.

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new date about it. I will send you an email.

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Thank You. Thank you Amy.

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Anyone else under visitors and communications?

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Hearing and seeing No one for real this time we'll move on

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to item four Counsel, this is the consent agenda.

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We'll be asking you to approve the minutes

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of the regular meeting of 7 28 26.

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Do you have any office license?

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Clerk has no offices office licenses and permits to offer.

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We'll be ratifying the 7 28 26 council approval

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of the minutes of the seven 14 special meeting.

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We'll be ratifying the 7 28 council approval

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to mail November Justice of the peace ballots

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to all active voters.

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And we will be authorizing the manager to execute contracts.

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There were three contracts in your packet council.

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And those are the West Street Fire hydrant contract

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with Allstate's Construction.

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The VIS construction Apprentice Blanchard contract.

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This is the clerk of the works

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for the auditorium projects approved

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by the council at our 7 28 26 meeting.

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And three is the Desar emergency Products contract

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for the purchase of a firetruck that was approved

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by the council at our 7 14 26 meeting.

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So if there is no objection, counsel, a motion

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to approve would be Thank you.

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It's moved and seconded.

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Is there any discussion or questions? Hearing none.

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All those in favor, the motion is presented.

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Please signify by saying aye. Aye. And those opposed?

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Thank you very much. Counsel under four A will be asking you

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to approve the week of under warrants.

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We'll be asking you to approve the week of 8 5 26.

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The motion would be in order. So moved. Second.

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It's moved and seconded. Any discussion? Hearing none.

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All those in favor? The motion is presented.

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Please signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye.

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And those opposed any abstentions? Okay. The ayes have it.

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Motion carries This city clerk. Okay.

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Just one brief thing. I want

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to talk a little bit more about the August primary.

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It is a week from today.

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Please, if you have an absentee ballot,

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get it into the office as soon as possible.

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My advice to you would be put it in a Dropbox

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or hand deliver it to our office.

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We have, since the beginning of the availability

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of the ballots, we have mailed out 451.

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We have only received 255 back.

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And again, I I I want to double down on that,

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that just please hand deliver 'em

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or put 'em in a Dropbox just to ensure you get them

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to the office prior to the closing of the ballot

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or the election. That

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Is it.

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That's it. And I know you're very diligent about checking

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the both the ballot box out back as well

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as the panel right up until the last second.

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Yes. But if it's past the last second, folks,

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we're not gonna cast your ballot.

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So Well we actually closed the ballot box on Monday Yep.

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At four 30. So nobody can put them in after that time.

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Correct. So,

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So you've got your dates.

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So they would have to be, you're sticking with 'em. Yep.

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People have been forewarned

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and you're gonna do a great job. So thank

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Just as a side note. Yes.

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And if I've said this before, I apologize.

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I usually bring them up to the polls and drop them off.

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But I just want people to know that they don't,

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they can still do that as well.

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They, yes, they can still definitely come

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to the polls and just drop 'em.

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We have a special little box for absentee ballots.

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You can just drop 'em in there.

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Yeah. And what if I don't trust you

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and I wanna run it through myself.

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And you can do that as well. See

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You can those billions of options,

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however, if you being late is not one of them.

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It will be considered voting at the,

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at the polls if you do walk through the room.

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Yep. Just New Jersey. It's all good. Okay. Any other? Yes.

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Are you in need of anyone else to work through polls?

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Yes. Okay. What can I sign up for after three o'clock?

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You can sign up for a hand. The, the write-ins doing that.

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Okay. After closing. Got it. Yep.

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I'm gonna make note of that. I'm gonna hold you to that.

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Cool. Cool. Any other questions?

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The city clerk, thank you very much.

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I don't believe we have anything under liquor

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and Cannabis Control Board Council Under Acting City

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Manager's report, we are cooking tonight under active.

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It's really nice. Out under Active acting

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City Manager's report.

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Counsel, you did receive acting manager veil's report

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via email today, so you should all have

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that in your email box.

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Okay. If there's nothing further under eight a,

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this is the presentation of the tax year.

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2026 grand list. Mr. Martin, how are you sir?

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Good, how are you? Doing well.

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It's good. So how'd it go?

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Went well, I think.

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Or, so Carly presented,

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Kick anybody out?

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Everyone. I, I would say that everyone was cordial.

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It was that the grievance process went really well.

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Very few people were angry.

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Most people came in and we're gorg

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and we went through the process and went through it.

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Yeah. Awesome. Whether they're happy with the results

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of the grievance, I don't know

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a little bit about that. Well

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That's different.

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But I, I kind of expected that.

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But there were some folks who were a little animated,

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like on social media and stuff

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and so I was kind of hoping that, that, that

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that animation wouldn't translate into their meeting

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with either you or, or Carly or any of the representatives.

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So, I'm glad to hear it didn't. Yeah, it didn't.

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And thank you for your patience. 'cause it's a, at times

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It's a tough job.

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Yeah. Carly presented a little slide.

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You should have the PowerPoint.

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PowerPoint. Thank you.

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If I don't run through it, she'll be mad at me.

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Christopher Thumb Drive. Somebody at least warn you

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The thumb drive.

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Thank you counselor. I apologize.

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I apologize for surprising you.

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I was in fact eating a hamburger

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as it turns out when this came through my email.

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So it is opening right now.

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And give just a moment to what kind of hamburger cheese.

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A little bit of ketchup. Oh, nice.

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So can you buy a, a nice member, traditional nice member

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of the fire department?

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Not too crazy. No.

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I mean, they didn't have too much out there.

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Alright, give it just one second to, to share it

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and we will be good to go.

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That's just the cover page.

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You could go on to the first slide if you wouldn't mind.

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Yeah. So I thought I'd give you just a quick timeline.

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In April of 2022,

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Berry City contract in New England municipal consultants

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to do the reappraisal in December of 23,

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they extended that contract,

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I think primarily because of the flooding.

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They wanted more time to, to evaluate that situation.

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And also in December of 23, 20 23,

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Martin Appraisal Services was contracted as consultants

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to do the assessor assessment work.

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And myself and Carly have been working on it.

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Carly's been doing the majority of the work.

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And then I just, when we jumped into this in the spring

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of 2004, new England municipal consultants really wanted us

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to get all the permitting checks up to balance.

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So all the old permits that people pulled for work

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we're supposed to go out and look at any their clothes

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or adjust the property accordingly.

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So that was a lot of work that we did and they helped, Carly

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and I get started on that.

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And then we pushed forward to, to get that done

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for the summer of 2004, they started going around

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and doing the property inspections around the city.

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And they had a inspector here for well over a year,

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pretty much full time just going out, looking at properties,

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measuring 'em, and trying to gather all the information.

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That process. In November, 2025,

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they sent out the information asking for commercial income

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and expense information.

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And then in December they fi they fin they wrapped up all

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the residential properties

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and then pretty much all spring they've been working on

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analyzing the information.

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Going back around April 20th, they got most

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of the info together and they conducted their final field

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reviews, you know, trying

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to make sure everything was accurate.

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And then on May 22nd, they sent out their informal notices.

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And New England municipal consultants then held from

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June 9th to June 30 what they, we,

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they considered informal meetings where people could come in

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and meet with them and discuss their

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assessments and so forth.

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And they had 380 properties that people came in

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and asked about then in, on June 24th.

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So then they finalized the grand le they

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finalized the abstract.

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And on June 24th we issued the abstract

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and sent out notices of their current assessments

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and the option to grieve.

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And then they had, these dates are set kind of by the state,

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so we had to have the abstract signed by June 24th.

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Well, they then had two weeks to appeal.

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And then, so on July 9th we started the grievance hearings.

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We had pretty much nine full days of hearings.

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We gave 15 minutes per property.

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And I did most of them meetings while Carly did a lot of,

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she ran around and looked at properties.

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A lot of people were complaining about

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the condition of their property.

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And so we'd, I'd send Carly out to go look at it

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and get an update, get the right information.

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And then on July 29th, we sent out the

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grievance notices, the results of those grievances.

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We had 308 grievance notices go out.

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So 308 people filed for grievances

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Next.

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Excellent. Yeah. A free follow up question on that.

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In your experience, is that a, a high grievance level

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in terms of the resolution?

362
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Where are we on par with other municipalities?

363
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I don't know. This is my first

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time, time I've went through

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The process.

366
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Carol, you wanna take a, wanna take a stab at it?

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I mean, anecdotally, keep in mind folks, it's been,

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yeah, it's been quite a while.

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20 years since we conducted, I wasn't,

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I wasn't here for the last time from listening

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to other communities

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and who have gone through the process fairly recently,

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it's pretty much in the ballpark.

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Yeah. So what Carol was saying

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for those few listening in is that in her opinion

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and having spoken with other city clerks

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and treasurers, it's, it's pretty average.

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It, it's kind of right

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to use your words right in the ballpark. Thank you. And

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I, I did wanna say in meeting with the people,

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as we mentioned, I mentioned earlier, most

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of them were very cordial.

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They had, were well informed too.

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There wasn't people coming in just screaming about

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how much their taxes were gonna go up.

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They, they came in prepared with information

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that they felt we should look at.

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And basically I just, with, we only had, we had,

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we had from July 9th, by July 29th, we had

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to finish the grievances and have conclusions.

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So we didn't have a lot of time to look at it.

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I just basically collected the information, made some notes,

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and then we went back to the computers.

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Can I Ask you a question? Do, do you know the mix

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of residential versus commercial grievances?

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It's coming. Well

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Actually I know the mix of, of the properties.

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I don't know the grievance numbers

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to tell you the truth. How many grieve

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Anyone think they were undertaxed?

401
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Huh? Did anyone think they were under

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That?

403
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No. No. I don't think anyone complain under,

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some people came in and when they talked to

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and were like, oh yeah, I'm fine.

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Yeah. Which was interesting, but, Hmm.

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Interesting question. Does anyone ever tell a police

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officer when they're pulled over?

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Yeah, I was going 84.

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I did actually have like, I think it was a year

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or two ago, someone came in and felt they were under taxed.

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Under. Really? Yeah.

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And I had to explain the whole common level of appraisal

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and all to them and yeah. Anyway.

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Okay. Can we go to the next slide?

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Yeah. And just the next step.

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So the, on August 4th, which is today,

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we find we signed the grand list.

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We did have a kind of an issue with the exempt properties.

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There was a computer glitch that

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New England appraisal had to work out.

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And they did that. So we,

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we now have the grand list lodged in the city clerk office.

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And the owners who have grieved now have,

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I think it's two weeks to appeal

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to the BCA if they're not happy with the changes.

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And that is the, and the date on that, the drop dead date

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Madam Clerk is, that would be August 12th.

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Okay. So it's aug no, August 12th, not

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two weeks from August 4th.

431
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Correct. It's when they were sent the letters,

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When the letters went out. Right. Yeah.

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June. So even though we lodge June,

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if you're reading this, even though we lodged it on

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August 4th, we go by the date on the letters.

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So you actually only have until close

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of business on the 12th to get your appeal in. Yes.

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I make the correction that I know Carol is making in her

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head, which is not the BCA, it's the board of assessment.

440
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No, it's not. It's the B, c, A.

441
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It is civil. Alright then

442
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Nevermind.

443
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It's, it is the board of Civil, civil Authority. Great.

444
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Okay. Ready? All right.

445
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And then I think the have

446
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to hold a organizational meeting first

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and then we'll sit down. That

448
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Will be the 18th.

449
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Okay.

450
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All right. Next slide please. And Carly put this up.

451
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There's one issue that we have,

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the state sets all the utility assessments

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for all the utilities and they have not set spectrum yet.

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And so we have no idea where that's gonna fall.

455
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So Spectrum is currently on the GR list at $1.

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We had to hold the place for them

457
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and we didn't want to put in a number

458
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that was gonna be more than what the state was gonna give us

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and, and have a, an issue.

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And so our advisor suggested that

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and Carol worked with Carly on trying to come up with

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a reasonable plan for that.

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But there will be an errors

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and emissions at some point when the state gives

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us what that number is.

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Do you know what, Carol, do you know what that number,

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so currently the placeholders, so

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to speak on the grand list is $1.

469
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Correct. And what was the value? Do you know?

470
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It was like 2 million, well

471
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Over 2 million.

472
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Okay. Last year. But we found, thank you.

473
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I don't want people to be able to hear me.

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The reason that we didn't want

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to guesstimate based on last year's number is that the,

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the, the value for the Green Mountain power

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went down considerably based on the,

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the state setting things.

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So because of that, we were afraid to put a number in

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and then find ourselves in trouble.

481
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Yeah. When it came to actually raising the amount of money

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that we need to, to cover

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what the voters approved. So. Right.

484
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And, and listen, that makes perfect sense

485
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because while $2 million sounds like a big number

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in the scope of our grand list, it,

487
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it really doesn't move the needle.

488
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No. So, but we don't want be making up 2 million

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would translate into

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25,020.

491
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Yeah. So we don't want to be stuck in a position

492
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where we're either raising 25,000 less than we needed.

493
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So, Nope. Makes perfect sense what you did.

494
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This is a, a brand new thing with legislative changes

495
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that just went into effect with regards to the state

496
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setting the values of communications and, and telecom.

497
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And that's where we find ourselves

498
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and the state is trying to figure it out at the same time.

499
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We all are so great. What's the reasoning behind that?

500
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I'm curious. I'm sorry. What's the reasoning behind that?

501
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Why, why was that changed? I don't know. I don't know.

502
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And it's based on self-reporting from

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the entities themselves.

504
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They self-report the value of their,

505
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and then there's some kind of formula used on the, we tried

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to get, we've tried

507
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to get a little more detailed information out

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of the Department of Taxes, property valuation and review.

509
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And it hasn't, they're they're, they're really trying

510
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to figure it out themselves too.

511
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So, and we're not the only wish we had a better

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Answer, Curious only community.

513
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There had to have been a reason. But we're not the only

514
00:26:34,165 --> 00:26:35,925
community going through this nom Sure.

515
00:26:35,925 --> 00:26:38,205
Not every community in the state is Yeah,

516
00:26:38,275 --> 00:26:40,205
because it's every power line.

517
00:26:40,275 --> 00:26:44,245
It's every fiber. It is, it is everything.

518
00:26:44,785 --> 00:26:47,965
And they, so, and like Carol said, they self-report.

519
00:26:48,015 --> 00:26:52,685
Right. So it's based on my, it's a, it's a combination

520
00:26:52,685 --> 00:26:57,365
of customers fiber, like mile of line.

521
00:26:57,395 --> 00:27:00,485
It's not an uncomplicated formula.

522
00:27:01,175 --> 00:27:05,765
Which makes me wonder how they were able to set the rate

523
00:27:05,765 --> 00:27:07,885
for fum, but apparently consolidated.

524
00:27:07,885 --> 00:27:10,405
But apparently they were able to, somebody's lying.

525
00:27:11,145 --> 00:27:12,145
Did I say that? No.

526
00:27:14,505 --> 00:27:15,645
That's why my internet is currently

527
00:27:15,645 --> 00:27:16,645
Done.

528
00:27:16,645 --> 00:27:19,805
I think Spectrum did not submit their information on time.

529
00:27:20,265 --> 00:27:22,405
That's, that's part of the problem is

530
00:27:22,405 --> 00:27:25,245
that Spectrum didn't get all their data into

531
00:27:25,545 --> 00:27:27,485
Oh, so they to start With.

532
00:27:27,545 --> 00:27:29,285
So they're, yeah. So,

533
00:27:29,635 --> 00:27:30,635
Okay.

534
00:27:30,635 --> 00:27:31,125
Awesome. Thank you.

535
00:27:32,825 --> 00:27:37,165
We can go on. This is just like a highlight of the,

536
00:27:39,305 --> 00:27:41,885
the di the new assessments versus the old.

537
00:27:43,185 --> 00:27:45,525
And this one does not include the utilities

538
00:27:45,525 --> 00:27:47,885
because I'll show you the next one does include the

539
00:27:47,885 --> 00:27:49,565
utilities, but it gets a little confusing.

540
00:27:49,945 --> 00:27:54,445
But it shows the percentage increase after the grievances

541
00:27:54,545 --> 00:27:58,125
and the informal grievances.

542
00:27:58,465 --> 00:28:02,645
The ratio of increase is 1.674.

543
00:28:04,425 --> 00:28:06,685
The residential went up 1.8

544
00:28:07,505 --> 00:28:10,205
and some of the other categories,

545
00:28:10,265 --> 00:28:12,405
the commercial went up quite a bit less.

546
00:28:14,525 --> 00:28:16,525
I know this is based on market is difficult for people

547
00:28:16,585 --> 00:28:19,805
to see both in this room and, and even online.

548
00:28:20,415 --> 00:28:24,125
We'll, we'll get it posted on the city website. Thank you.

549
00:28:24,155 --> 00:28:25,485
I'll get it added to the packet

550
00:28:25,625 --> 00:28:27,205
for tonight's meeting. Fantastic.

551
00:28:27,465 --> 00:28:28,965
I'm gonna try something that might make it a little bit

552
00:28:28,965 --> 00:28:29,965
bigger with and still.

553
00:28:29,995 --> 00:28:32,685
Okay. Let me have, let's zoom controls.

554
00:28:33,625 --> 00:28:36,605
Oh, now if you have, if you have close

555
00:28:36,605 --> 00:28:38,525
to 2020 vision, you can't see it.

556
00:28:38,585 --> 00:28:39,585
So

557
00:28:40,445 --> 00:28:41,645
I do have a couple of copies.

558
00:28:41,705 --> 00:28:45,485
2015 this if someone wants a hard copy

559
00:28:46,675 --> 00:28:47,675
Yeah.

560
00:28:47,675 --> 00:28:49,485
Like Carol said. But if we can, Carol,

561
00:28:49,545 --> 00:28:51,685
if you could get this, because you know a lot of people,

562
00:28:51,995 --> 00:28:55,285
it's important that they understand especially this slide

563
00:28:56,065 --> 00:28:59,565
and so that they understand that roughly speaking,

564
00:28:59,675 --> 00:29:03,445
what does 1.67 translate to percentage wise?

565
00:29:04,115 --> 00:29:07,765
Just a tick under 70%. Correct. Correct. Yeah. Yeah.

566
00:29:07,965 --> 00:29:09,445
'cause you can't, you gotta work the reciprocal.

567
00:29:09,465 --> 00:29:13,205
So tick under 70%. I'm going to round up.

568
00:29:13,785 --> 00:29:16,365
So if you're assess, essentially what you're saying Larry,

569
00:29:16,385 --> 00:29:19,405
is that if your assessment went up 70%,

570
00:29:19,545 --> 00:29:20,965
if you were at a hundred thousand

571
00:29:21,345 --> 00:29:24,085
and then you went to 170, you are going

572
00:29:24,085 --> 00:29:27,485
to see virtually no increase in your taxes other than

573
00:29:28,345 --> 00:29:30,965
the inflationary the inflationary increase.

574
00:29:31,015 --> 00:29:32,445
Right? Right. Because you know, that's

575
00:29:32,445 --> 00:29:34,205
what we heard from folks all the time

576
00:29:34,795 --> 00:29:37,485
when people were saying, look, my assessment went up 50%,

577
00:29:37,545 --> 00:29:39,205
my taxes are going up 50%.

578
00:29:39,625 --> 00:29:42,645
No, your taxes are actually going down. If you only went

579
00:29:42,645 --> 00:29:43,885
Up 50%, you went up less

580
00:29:43,885 --> 00:29:47,245
Because everyone up on average, everyone else went up 70.

581
00:29:47,465 --> 00:29:49,765
So if we could get this kind of front

582
00:29:49,765 --> 00:29:51,685
and center, I think that would be important.

583
00:29:53,365 --> 00:29:55,245
I I feel like a lot of people who came in

584
00:29:55,245 --> 00:29:59,445
for the grievances had this kind of knowledge already.

585
00:30:00,125 --> 00:30:02,685
You know, they kind of understood that, you know, they,

586
00:30:02,775 --> 00:30:04,885
there weren't many people who came in and thought

587
00:30:05,075 --> 00:30:08,085
because their assessment doubled, they were gonna double.

588
00:30:08,545 --> 00:30:10,445
So I felt like we did a good job of getting

589
00:30:10,445 --> 00:30:11,565
that message out there.

590
00:30:14,305 --> 00:30:16,525
Any questions? We can go on to the next slide.

591
00:30:16,595 --> 00:30:20,445
This, the next slide just is very similar,

592
00:30:21,825 --> 00:30:23,005
but it includes the

593
00:30:23,115 --> 00:30:25,725
Utilities and this is where it gets really,

594
00:30:25,905 --> 00:30:28,845
the utilities either doesn't include spectrum.

595
00:30:29,385 --> 00:30:31,965
So it shows a large decrease, which

596
00:30:33,115 --> 00:30:34,605
Hopefully will, will change.

597
00:30:36,705 --> 00:30:38,965
So that's why I didn't rely on that slide.

598
00:30:39,065 --> 00:30:42,285
Gotcha. And

599
00:30:42,435 --> 00:30:45,285
that also shows last year Spectrum was in a

600
00:30:45,385 --> 00:30:49,605
$2,149,142 just

601
00:30:49,665 --> 00:30:51,125
to give you that place.

602
00:30:52,825 --> 00:30:57,765
And then we had just had one more slide, which is the,

603
00:31:00,705 --> 00:31:02,965
And you all Larry Whatcha doing to me?

604
00:31:03,485 --> 00:31:04,765
Everyone read that

605
00:31:05,425 --> 00:31:06,765
You have in front of you,

606
00:31:06,835 --> 00:31:09,125
this is the first page of the four 11.

607
00:31:10,185 --> 00:31:12,405
You have this in front of you and it is in the packet.

608
00:31:12,545 --> 00:31:15,885
If anybody's at home watching the, the packet,

609
00:31:16,295 --> 00:31:19,485
there is a slight, there's an $8 difference

610
00:31:19,485 --> 00:31:22,765
and we'll go over that when we're

611
00:31:22,765 --> 00:31:23,845
talking about setting the rate.

612
00:31:24,065 --> 00:31:25,065
So, but

613
00:31:26,755 --> 00:31:27,755
Okay.

614
00:31:27,755 --> 00:31:29,125
We ever, so Carol

615
00:31:29,185 --> 00:31:31,965
and I nerd out on occasion, especially when it's time

616
00:31:31,965 --> 00:31:36,005
to set the tax rate, do we ever hand

617
00:31:36,815 --> 00:31:39,205
check the calculation in Limerick?

618
00:31:40,265 --> 00:31:42,605
You mentioned that to me a week or so ago. Yeah.

619
00:31:42,625 --> 00:31:46,285
And then Carly and I did all the, I literally pulled

620
00:31:46,865 --> 00:31:51,085
the spreadsheet of all 3000 plus parcels

621
00:31:51,505 --> 00:31:56,485
and ran the math to make sure that the totals

622
00:31:56,485 --> 00:31:59,165
that show up on the four 11 agree

623
00:31:59,315 --> 00:32:01,765
with the raw data. So yeah,

624
00:32:02,385 --> 00:32:04,685
So we, so we took the Excel, which is just as good.

625
00:32:04,745 --> 00:32:06,685
You take an Excel spreadsheet and total it

626
00:32:07,105 --> 00:32:11,925
and then we made sure that there were no transposing

627
00:32:12,025 --> 00:32:13,925
of numbers as it got put into

628
00:32:13,925 --> 00:32:14,925
Network.

629
00:32:14,925 --> 00:32:16,565
Yeah. And that it was, you know, when it was pulling these

630
00:32:17,235 --> 00:32:20,325
reports, it was pulling all the data, so, right.

631
00:32:20,435 --> 00:32:21,435
Yeah. Yes.

632
00:32:22,305 --> 00:32:23,765
So when I was reviewing this in the packet,

633
00:32:24,005 --> 00:32:25,125
I had a question about,

634
00:32:27,755 --> 00:32:30,125
there's other listed here in miscellaneous.

635
00:32:30,465 --> 00:32:32,685
Can you tell me what those are? Yes.

636
00:32:32,685 --> 00:32:35,165
Other, there's 77 parcels.

637
00:32:35,355 --> 00:32:38,525
They're condos. Condos. And then what's miscellaneous?

638
00:32:39,465 --> 00:32:42,765
Oh, I'm sorry. The miscellaneous 77 is condo?

639
00:32:42,985 --> 00:32:45,365
No, no, there's an other 77 in miscellaneous

640
00:32:45,625 --> 00:32:49,085
2 27. I was just curious what those

641
00:32:49,085 --> 00:32:50,085
Were.

642
00:32:50,085 --> 00:32:52,365
Oh, vacant land What? Vacant land parcels. Oh,

643
00:32:52,365 --> 00:32:53,365
Okay.

644
00:32:53,365 --> 00:32:53,565
Thank you.

645
00:32:54,385 --> 00:32:57,725
Is this irrelevant or is v play a part in any

646
00:32:57,725 --> 00:32:58,885
of this with spectrum or No

647
00:33:00,355 --> 00:33:01,925
Video's already in here.

648
00:33:02,125 --> 00:33:04,405
I think they're under the telecom portion. Okay.

649
00:33:04,405 --> 00:33:06,525
Yeah. You're, you're, I didn't know that.

650
00:33:07,155 --> 00:33:09,005
Yeah. Video was column, it's gone out.

651
00:33:09,315 --> 00:33:12,885
Yeah. Awesome.

652
00:33:13,035 --> 00:33:14,245
Yeah, right there. Thank you.

653
00:33:14,955 --> 00:33:16,685
Well, Larry, that's Anything else?

654
00:33:17,015 --> 00:33:21,125
Quite a job. I mean, four years worth. Yep. So thank you.

655
00:33:21,425 --> 00:33:26,125
And you came on board as the city assessor. Just in time.

656
00:33:26,355 --> 00:33:30,565
Just in time. So, so no, well thank you for that as well

657
00:33:30,565 --> 00:33:33,645
because I mean, you

658
00:33:33,705 --> 00:33:36,685
and I had a few conversations prior to you coming to work

659
00:33:36,685 --> 00:33:39,965
for the city, but we were, we were lucky to snag you and,

660
00:33:40,025 --> 00:33:42,805
and equally lucky to discover.

661
00:33:43,915 --> 00:33:45,645
Yeah, you should be big, very,

662
00:33:45,645 --> 00:33:46,965
very proud of her as a daughter.

663
00:33:47,215 --> 00:33:49,165
She's, she works very hard

664
00:33:49,985 --> 00:33:53,565
and she knows about math much better than her dad ever.

665
00:33:54,545 --> 00:33:56,445
She knows the computer much better. I'll

666
00:33:56,445 --> 00:33:57,445
Give her that.

667
00:33:57,585 --> 00:34:01,885
But thank you. You, you, it, it wasn't an easy job for,

668
00:34:02,065 --> 00:34:05,085
for anyone, so thank you for doing it. Yep.

669
00:34:05,195 --> 00:34:07,405
Well, and you'll be probably seeing us at the

670
00:34:09,185 --> 00:34:10,285
We Awesome authority.

671
00:34:10,635 --> 00:34:13,045
Okay, so counsel, this does not

672
00:34:13,075 --> 00:34:15,005
require approval on your part.

673
00:34:15,635 --> 00:34:18,405
However, we'll move to item eight B on the agenda.

674
00:34:19,025 --> 00:34:20,645
And this is where it all comes together

675
00:34:20,745 --> 00:34:23,045
and gets calculated into our municipal

676
00:34:23,105 --> 00:34:26,525
and local agreement tax rate. Madam Treasurer,

677
00:34:26,815 --> 00:34:27,815
Howdy.

678
00:34:27,815 --> 00:34:31,685
I put at your places a calculation sheet

679
00:34:31,685 --> 00:34:33,485
that says revised in the upper right

680
00:34:33,485 --> 00:34:34,645
hand corner as of today.

681
00:34:35,245 --> 00:34:38,965
I mentioned before that there's an $8 difference between

682
00:34:39,625 --> 00:34:43,965
the grand list number that was in the packet that got sent

683
00:34:43,965 --> 00:34:45,725
to you over the weekend,

684
00:34:45,725 --> 00:34:46,605
which was

685
00:34:47,015 --> 00:34:51,405
$8,517,446

686
00:34:51,405 --> 00:34:52,245
and 11 cents.

687
00:34:52,505 --> 00:34:54,325
And it went down by $8

688
00:34:55,145 --> 00:34:59,245
to 8 5 1 7 4 3 8 0.11.

689
00:35:00,145 --> 00:35:01,965
The reason is that there was a

690
00:35:02,575 --> 00:35:04,965
final grievance hearing held this morning

691
00:35:06,305 --> 00:35:11,085
and they, it resulted in an $800

692
00:35:11,605 --> 00:35:14,325
reduction in the value of that particular property.

693
00:35:14,785 --> 00:35:17,085
The way the grand list works with regards

694
00:35:17,085 --> 00:35:20,365
to calculating taxes is that it's divided by a hundred.

695
00:35:21,025 --> 00:35:25,485
So that $800 difference turned into an $8 difference

696
00:35:25,545 --> 00:35:26,605
in the grand list.

697
00:35:27,285 --> 00:35:30,285
I was very happy when I plugged it into my calculations

698
00:35:30,315 --> 00:35:32,405
that it didn't change the bottom line at all.

699
00:35:32,905 --> 00:35:36,285
It didn't change the, the proposed tax rates,

700
00:35:37,125 --> 00:35:40,765
either the grand list, the municipal tax rate

701
00:35:40,825 --> 00:35:42,725
or the, the local agreement rate.

702
00:35:44,385 --> 00:35:45,645
The local agreement rate.

703
00:35:46,585 --> 00:35:50,485
The, the municipal rate, as I put in my memo is

704
00:35:51,465 --> 00:35:54,405
it is property taxes is a math equation.

705
00:35:54,795 --> 00:35:58,005
It's really hot and dried. It is.

706
00:35:58,425 --> 00:36:01,405
You take the amount of money that the voters have approved

707
00:36:01,985 --> 00:36:04,685
to be raised by taxes for the municipal budget

708
00:36:05,385 --> 00:36:08,565
for any additional capital items or whatever.

709
00:36:08,925 --> 00:36:11,805
We had the additional 800,000 approved for streets

710
00:36:11,865 --> 00:36:13,245
and paving and capital.

711
00:36:13,905 --> 00:36:18,165
And then it's also the social services, those agencies,

712
00:36:18,285 --> 00:36:19,925
131,200.

713
00:36:20,305 --> 00:36:22,925
You add all those things together, you divide it

714
00:36:22,925 --> 00:36:24,165
by the grand list value

715
00:36:24,595 --> 00:36:27,085
that gives you your municipal tax rate.

716
00:36:27,425 --> 00:36:29,045
It is simple math.

717
00:36:29,385 --> 00:36:34,045
So, and that's, it literally isn't under the control

718
00:36:34,145 --> 00:36:35,445
of this body at all.

719
00:36:35,515 --> 00:36:36,965
It's under the control of the voters.

720
00:36:37,345 --> 00:36:40,085
So, so the, the

721
00:36:40,815 --> 00:36:44,125
calculated municipal rate is 1.4361.

722
00:36:45,675 --> 00:36:50,085
It's virtually impossible to compare that to previous years

723
00:36:50,635 --> 00:36:55,125
because of the adjustment association associated

724
00:36:55,125 --> 00:36:57,045
with the, the reappraisal.

725
00:36:57,625 --> 00:37:00,485
So you have on your sheet down at the bottom,

726
00:37:01,065 --> 00:37:04,285
the last four years worth of tax rates.

727
00:37:04,505 --> 00:37:09,325
But again, it's, it's very difficult to, to compare.

728
00:37:10,005 --> 00:37:11,885
I think what will be important

729
00:37:11,905 --> 00:37:15,605
to people is think about the fact that the budget

730
00:37:15,635 --> 00:37:19,045
that was approved by the voters represented a 5% increase.

731
00:37:20,105 --> 00:37:21,205
So think about

732
00:37:21,275 --> 00:37:24,925
that when you are calculating your municipal taxes that,

733
00:37:25,505 --> 00:37:29,085
you know, we're, we're looking at a 5% increase in the

734
00:37:29,085 --> 00:37:30,885
dollar amount and then

735
00:37:32,245 --> 00:37:36,285
whatever adjustments you are associated with that 70% number

736
00:37:36,315 --> 00:37:39,565
that the, the mayor was talking about as far as the average

737
00:37:40,965 --> 00:37:42,445
increase across the city.

738
00:37:42,865 --> 00:37:47,405
So as far as the local agreement tax rate is concerned,

739
00:37:47,475 --> 00:37:49,805
that has to do with education taxes.

740
00:37:51,355 --> 00:37:55,125
When the city has granted

741
00:37:55,775 --> 00:37:59,285
exemptions for various things, we have

742
00:37:59,285 --> 00:38:01,045
to make the education fund whole,

743
00:38:01,105 --> 00:38:02,565
the state education fund whole.

744
00:38:03,025 --> 00:38:07,725
And the three things that the city has

745
00:38:08,595 --> 00:38:13,005
that are affecting that are tax stabilization agreements.

746
00:38:13,065 --> 00:38:15,005
And we have two of those at the moment.

747
00:38:15,265 --> 00:38:18,685
One for 1 0 2 South Main Street, Reynolds House, one

748
00:38:18,745 --> 00:38:20,925
for 51 Church Street, which is

749
00:38:20,925 --> 00:38:22,165
where people's health and wellness is.

750
00:38:23,825 --> 00:38:26,245
And so they have a,

751
00:38:26,445 --> 00:38:29,405
a reduction over a sun setting period of time.

752
00:38:29,985 --> 00:38:31,885
And that reduction is calculated.

753
00:38:32,275 --> 00:38:34,045
They pay reduced municipal taxes,

754
00:38:34,115 --> 00:38:36,165
they pay reduced education taxes,

755
00:38:36,745 --> 00:38:39,085
but all of the residents

756
00:38:39,085 --> 00:38:43,605
of the city make up those education taxes to the state.

757
00:38:44,595 --> 00:38:45,845
Another one would be,

758
00:38:45,945 --> 00:38:48,645
if we had any voter approved exemptions.

759
00:38:48,825 --> 00:38:51,445
We used to have a voter approved exemption for

760
00:38:52,325 --> 00:38:54,605
the Good Samaritan Haven, but we don't anymore.

761
00:38:54,605 --> 00:38:55,965
They're now exempt by statute.

762
00:38:56,265 --> 00:38:57,405
So we don't have to worry about that.

763
00:38:58,145 --> 00:39:01,605
The, the other one that we do is veterans exemptions.

764
00:39:01,945 --> 00:39:06,645
The state has a $10,000 exemption for veterans

765
00:39:06,745 --> 00:39:09,085
and then the voters of the city of Barry

766
00:39:10,195 --> 00:39:13,205
15 years ago granted an additional

767
00:39:13,205 --> 00:39:15,725
$30,000 on top of that.

768
00:39:15,825 --> 00:39:20,245
So for a total of $40,000 exemption off the value

769
00:39:20,265 --> 00:39:24,125
of a property for veterans, that additional 30,000,

770
00:39:24,505 --> 00:39:26,685
the city has to make up the difference

771
00:39:26,685 --> 00:39:28,045
with regards to education.

772
00:39:28,705 --> 00:39:32,285
So that's what's reflected on here in the blue box,

773
00:39:32,345 --> 00:39:35,925
in the middle of the page on the tax rate calculation.

774
00:39:36,265 --> 00:39:40,685
And if you look at the, the second page of the four 11

775
00:39:40,715 --> 00:39:44,125
that I gave you, you'll see I highlighted where the,

776
00:39:44,465 --> 00:39:46,805
the number for the tax stabilization agreements

777
00:39:46,945 --> 00:39:49,165
and then the numbers for the veterans exemptions.

778
00:39:49,385 --> 00:39:51,605
You can just, I wanna just show you

779
00:39:51,605 --> 00:39:53,405
where these numbers all pulled from.

780
00:39:55,905 --> 00:39:58,885
So the only other numbers that that

781
00:40:00,685 --> 00:40:02,885
reference what you have for data.

782
00:40:02,885 --> 00:40:04,885
Well, first of all there's the results from the election.

783
00:40:04,885 --> 00:40:07,885
So you can see where the amount to be raised by taxes,

784
00:40:08,145 --> 00:40:11,885
the 800,000, the 1 31, 200, where they come from.

785
00:40:12,385 --> 00:40:16,685
And then the two numbers on the top of the,

786
00:40:16,945 --> 00:40:21,925
of the calculation spreadsheet that are education, one

787
00:40:21,925 --> 00:40:23,845
of them is an interim number.

788
00:40:24,105 --> 00:40:27,205
The homestead number is an interim number

789
00:40:27,775 --> 00:40:29,765
until we have a school budget

790
00:40:30,025 --> 00:40:32,005
for the Berry Unified Union School District.

791
00:40:32,825 --> 00:40:35,525
So we're working with that interim number

792
00:40:35,665 --> 00:40:38,005
of 0.7033.

793
00:40:38,905 --> 00:40:41,845
And then the other one, the non homestead number,

794
00:40:42,585 --> 00:40:46,325
the 1.1555 is a final

795
00:40:46,625 --> 00:40:48,685
and firm number from the state.

796
00:40:48,825 --> 00:40:52,205
And I showed you the where that information comes from.

797
00:40:52,465 --> 00:40:56,245
So, so these will be interim tax bills.

798
00:40:56,425 --> 00:41:00,445
The municipal numbers are locked based on

799
00:41:00,445 --> 00:41:02,085
what the council approves tonight.

800
00:41:02,825 --> 00:41:05,685
But once we have a a school budget,

801
00:41:06,065 --> 00:41:10,605
we will get a final homestead tax rate from the state.

802
00:41:10,865 --> 00:41:13,165
And final revised

803
00:41:14,145 --> 00:41:16,605
tax bills will go out likely the end

804
00:41:16,605 --> 00:41:18,005
of November, beginning of December.

805
00:41:21,135 --> 00:41:23,485
Thank you. Questions, Smoke and mirrors?

806
00:41:25,585 --> 00:41:28,445
No, it's all hard based calculations.

807
00:41:28,705 --> 00:41:32,005
We just use a lot of big words sometimes.

808
00:41:32,265 --> 00:41:36,525
But if you're interested, this is actually posted in the

809
00:41:37,115 --> 00:41:40,165
city council packet as well if you're interested to see how

810
00:41:40,165 --> 00:41:41,485
that calculation is made.

811
00:41:41,945 --> 00:41:43,125
So council, the,

812
00:41:44,785 --> 00:41:48,725
the appropriate motion would be to fix the

813
00:41:50,515 --> 00:41:52,205
municipal tax rate

814
00:41:52,625 --> 00:41:56,445
for the fiscal year ended June 30th, 2027

815
00:41:57,265 --> 00:42:01,605
at in re, along with Carol at 1.4361.

816
00:42:02,385 --> 00:42:05,085
And the local agreement tax rate

817
00:42:05,145 --> 00:42:09,445
for the fiscal year ended June 30th, 2027 at

818
00:42:09,455 --> 00:42:11,925
0.0017.

819
00:42:13,045 --> 00:42:14,345
Motion be an order. Thank you.

820
00:42:14,345 --> 00:42:17,185
Second, it's moved and seconded. Any discussion?

821
00:42:17,765 --> 00:42:19,865
We got it right 'cause Carol isn't fainting.

822
00:42:21,535 --> 00:42:24,705
Just to give people a a what's happening timeline.

823
00:42:26,145 --> 00:42:29,265
Thursday morning we are creating the tax bill file

824
00:42:29,525 --> 00:42:31,145
and sending it to the printers.

825
00:42:31,645 --> 00:42:35,145
The tax bills will be in the mail by the end of next week.

826
00:42:35,805 --> 00:42:39,025
And what we're going to do next is we're going to set the

827
00:42:39,805 --> 00:42:41,905
tax due dates for the year. So

828
00:42:42,515 --> 00:42:43,515
Thank you.

829
00:42:44,245 --> 00:42:47,025
Any other questions or comments? Hearing none.

830
00:42:47,085 --> 00:42:49,105
All those in favor? The motion is presented.

831
00:42:49,405 --> 00:42:52,025
Please signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Aye.

832
00:42:52,045 --> 00:42:55,305
And those opposed. Next counsel will be asking you

833
00:42:55,765 --> 00:42:57,945
to approve the property tax due dates

834
00:42:58,045 --> 00:43:01,385
for the fiscal year ended June 30th, 2027.

835
00:43:01,845 --> 00:43:04,065
The recommended adjusted due dates are

836
00:43:05,065 --> 00:43:08,585
September 15th, 2026 for the first quarter.

837
00:43:09,065 --> 00:43:11,865
November 16th, 2026.

838
00:43:12,185 --> 00:43:14,625
November 15th is a Sunday for the second quarter.

839
00:43:15,465 --> 00:43:18,625
February 16th. February, 2027.

840
00:43:19,385 --> 00:43:22,465
February 15th is precedent stay for the third quarter

841
00:43:23,165 --> 00:43:24,425
and for the final quarter.

842
00:43:24,605 --> 00:43:28,545
May 17th, 2027 as May 15th is a Saturday.

843
00:43:28,905 --> 00:43:30,625
A motion would be in order. So moved,

844
00:43:30,805 --> 00:43:32,625
Second, Moved and seconded.

845
00:43:32,685 --> 00:43:35,625
Any discussion? Hearing none. All those in favor?

846
00:43:35,645 --> 00:43:38,825
The motion is presented. Please signify by saying aye. Aye.

847
00:43:38,845 --> 00:43:41,185
Aye. And those opposed? Thank you very much

848
00:43:41,285 --> 00:43:42,305
and thank you Carol.

849
00:43:42,735 --> 00:43:44,065
Sure. And thank you for

850
00:43:45,305 --> 00:43:48,065
checking the map. Always

851
00:43:48,065 --> 00:43:49,985
Makes me, I don't know that anyone was here the

852
00:43:49,985 --> 00:43:51,345
year that was horrifying.

853
00:43:51,965 --> 00:43:53,145
We came, you were off.

854
00:43:53,445 --> 00:43:54,865
We had a motion made

855
00:43:55,045 --> 00:43:59,665
and we were, we had pooched it in a big way

856
00:43:59,805 --> 00:44:03,705
and we actually had a motion on the floor and Carol

857
00:44:03,725 --> 00:44:04,865
and I kept looking at each other

858
00:44:04,865 --> 00:44:06,185
saying, something doesn't seem right.

859
00:44:06,185 --> 00:44:08,385
Something doesn't seem right. And I'm time out.

860
00:44:09,275 --> 00:44:11,385
Carol checked the math and she checked the math.

861
00:44:11,445 --> 00:44:12,665
It would've been horrendous.

862
00:44:12,885 --> 00:44:16,505
It, it would've been a like half a million dollar error in

863
00:44:16,505 --> 00:44:17,505
terms of raising taxes.

864
00:44:17,645 --> 00:44:22,385
It was awful. So I still have nightmares about that.

865
00:44:22,605 --> 00:44:26,545
So it's, so that's the inside joke that Carol sends it

866
00:44:26,545 --> 00:44:28,745
to me the weekend before and I literally hand check

867
00:44:28,745 --> 00:44:30,465
everything and she hand checks everything

868
00:44:30,645 --> 00:44:31,965
and we get it right.

869
00:44:32,305 --> 00:44:34,765
So thank you very much. Thank you all. Thank you counsel.

870
00:44:34,765 --> 00:44:38,365
We'll move on to item eight D on the agenda.

871
00:44:38,695 --> 00:44:41,565
Music to my ears will be approving some additional paving.

872
00:44:42,705 --> 00:44:46,565
Mr. Baker, how are you? Good. Have at it.

873
00:44:47,825 --> 00:44:50,085
We, I think it's all including your packet. Yep.

874
00:44:50,185 --> 00:44:51,645
We are proposing

875
00:44:51,645 --> 00:44:56,205
to do a shim coat on South Main Street from

876
00:44:57,005 --> 00:44:59,045
prospect to city line

877
00:45:00,065 --> 00:45:03,285
and without doing that section by Cumberland Farms

878
00:45:03,285 --> 00:45:06,645
that we did three years ago and then doing a shim coat on

879
00:45:06,655 --> 00:45:09,965
Washington Street from Elm Street to Hill Street.

880
00:45:10,235 --> 00:45:13,325
Yeah. And the, so when we say the section

881
00:45:13,505 --> 00:45:14,525
by Cumberland Farms,

882
00:45:14,535 --> 00:45:16,365
let's be a little bit more specific. We

883
00:45:16,365 --> 00:45:18,885
Started at the bridge just after Air Street

884
00:45:19,105 --> 00:45:21,965
and we went up around the corner to Circle Street.

885
00:45:22,135 --> 00:45:25,045
Right. So that's still in, if you drive that way,

886
00:45:25,075 --> 00:45:27,805
that is still in pretty good shape.

887
00:45:27,805 --> 00:45:29,565
There's one weird

888
00:45:29,715 --> 00:45:30,725
Yeah, there's one hole

889
00:45:30,725 --> 00:45:32,805
Weird pothole that we'll we will pick up

890
00:45:33,105 --> 00:45:34,205
as we go by. Yes.

891
00:45:34,785 --> 00:45:38,565
One the question is that now technically that's state

892
00:45:39,545 --> 00:45:40,545
Yes.

893
00:45:40,545 --> 00:45:43,525
So we're shimming it out of our good nature

894
00:45:43,705 --> 00:45:45,325
or what's, what are we getting back for this?

895
00:45:45,675 --> 00:45:49,765
This is a bandaid to put on it so

896
00:45:49,765 --> 00:45:53,325
that we don't have the nightmare of potholes this winter

897
00:45:53,395 --> 00:45:54,485
that we did last winter.

898
00:45:55,105 --> 00:45:56,885
So when you ask what are we getting out of it?

899
00:45:56,885 --> 00:45:58,005
Nothing. We're,

900
00:45:58,065 --> 00:46:00,525
But we're getting it, we're With

901
00:46:00,525 --> 00:46:01,525
It.

902
00:46:01,525 --> 00:46:03,005
I mean, everyone knows how bad South Main

903
00:46:03,005 --> 00:46:04,045
Street was last year.

904
00:46:05,005 --> 00:46:07,965
I predict that Washington Street will be that bad this year.

905
00:46:08,325 --> 00:46:10,085
I just wish we could inform people

906
00:46:10,085 --> 00:46:11,325
because I hear it all the time.

907
00:46:11,505 --> 00:46:14,845
And, and and they don't realize that 14 and 3 0 2 are state

908
00:46:15,145 --> 00:46:16,145
Not local.

909
00:46:16,145 --> 00:46:18,205
Right. The state is, we are starting the process

910
00:46:18,425 --> 00:46:23,205
of getting those paid planned for 2028.

911
00:46:23,985 --> 00:46:27,525
So that's what this, this is that band to get us to

912
00:46:27,525 --> 00:46:30,165
that project and they will come in and mill everything

913
00:46:30,505 --> 00:46:32,405
and repave it in 28.

914
00:46:33,025 --> 00:46:34,605
And what we did get access

915
00:46:34,665 --> 00:46:36,925
to council was their pricing structure

916
00:46:37,445 --> 00:46:39,765
because ours would've been more Oh,

917
00:46:39,765 --> 00:46:40,765
Correct.

918
00:46:40,765 --> 00:46:41,685
This is actually with our

919
00:46:42,125 --> 00:46:43,125
Contract.

920
00:46:43,125 --> 00:46:44,165
This is our, this is our pricing structure, not

921
00:46:44,165 --> 00:46:45,165
Theirs.

922
00:46:45,165 --> 00:46:47,885
The, the pricing structure that was given originally

923
00:46:47,955 --> 00:46:52,805
through Joe Flynn was for them to do a,

924
00:46:53,635 --> 00:46:54,805
what they call a skid box.

925
00:46:55,225 --> 00:46:58,405
That's basically what we did out here on South Main. Right.

926
00:46:58,665 --> 00:47:00,285
And everyone knows that's

927
00:47:00,905 --> 00:47:03,205
it was better than the potholes, but not, yeah,

928
00:47:03,385 --> 00:47:05,285
That's the little, that's a little bandaid.

929
00:47:05,545 --> 00:47:06,805
You know the little one that comes in

930
00:47:06,805 --> 00:47:08,445
the package, not the size. That's,

931
00:47:08,705 --> 00:47:11,805
And it's done with a, like a box blade on a machine.

932
00:47:11,835 --> 00:47:13,725
It's not done with a paver printer.

933
00:47:14,035 --> 00:47:16,725
This is with a paving machine.

934
00:47:18,315 --> 00:47:20,385
We're estimating an inch and a half shim.

935
00:47:21,165 --> 00:47:24,145
It could be more, it could be less depending on the exact

936
00:47:24,145 --> 00:47:25,345
wheel ruts that are there.

937
00:47:25,845 --> 00:47:28,065
But this will be put down with a paving machine.

938
00:47:28,485 --> 00:47:32,285
So it should be at least a smooth surface to start. Did you

939
00:47:32,285 --> 00:47:33,525
Have a question, counselor Sping?

940
00:47:33,725 --> 00:47:38,605
I do. I got an email from a neighbor today about

941
00:47:38,685 --> 00:47:40,245
Woodland Drive in Clifton.

942
00:47:40,705 --> 00:47:45,365
And I remember Woodland was originally on a schedule maybe

943
00:47:45,875 --> 00:47:48,005
last year, sort of like which

944
00:47:48,005 --> 00:47:49,005
Street?

945
00:47:49,005 --> 00:47:50,165
Woodland Drive. Woodland. Yeah.

946
00:47:50,585 --> 00:47:53,045
But I don't, I think it's been pulled off. It

947
00:47:53,045 --> 00:47:55,285
Has been pulled off and that one has been pulled off

948
00:47:55,285 --> 00:47:58,365
because of the utility upgrades that have

949
00:47:58,365 --> 00:47:59,685
to be done to Woodland.

950
00:48:00,115 --> 00:48:03,325
That I think Woodland alone is probably more than a

951
00:48:03,325 --> 00:48:04,445
project for us to do.

952
00:48:04,755 --> 00:48:07,525
Okay. We looked at the hydrants alone, I think

953
00:48:07,785 --> 00:48:09,005
to get it up to code.

954
00:48:09,555 --> 00:48:12,165
They would be like, I think eight additional hydrants

955
00:48:12,185 --> 00:48:13,245
had to put on woodland.

956
00:48:13,395 --> 00:48:17,565
Okay. And the sewer manholes and the drainage

957
00:48:17,665 --> 00:48:20,525
and street, it all needs to be repaid.

958
00:48:20,665 --> 00:48:22,565
So that's, it's, it's on the,

959
00:48:22,985 --> 00:48:24,645
we really would like to get it done.

960
00:48:24,795 --> 00:48:26,725
Yeah. But it was just,

961
00:48:26,955 --> 00:48:28,085
It's too big. Too

962
00:48:28,085 --> 00:48:29,085
Big.

963
00:48:29,085 --> 00:48:31,405
So it'll end up having to be probably a year's project for

964
00:48:31,405 --> 00:48:32,405
Us.

965
00:48:32,405 --> 00:48:35,805
Yeah. My other question is Clifton,

966
00:48:37,035 --> 00:48:39,365
it's the cross street between Woodland

967
00:48:39,365 --> 00:48:40,845
and we did camp part of that.

968
00:48:41,025 --> 00:48:42,125
You did part of it, the water,

969
00:48:42,345 --> 00:48:44,325
the part you didn't do is Yes.

970
00:48:44,885 --> 00:48:47,365
Deteriorating very rapidly. Yep.

971
00:48:47,585 --> 00:48:49,285
People are driving on the wrong side of the road.

972
00:48:49,545 --> 00:48:53,125
Yes. Again, that's kind of our, our next phase

973
00:48:53,125 --> 00:48:54,885
that we want to get into is doing those

974
00:48:55,005 --> 00:48:56,405
neighborhood type streets.

975
00:48:56,475 --> 00:48:58,685
Okay. Where we would go into the neighborhood

976
00:48:58,785 --> 00:49:01,565
and do every street around the neighborhood.

977
00:49:01,755 --> 00:49:03,285
Okay. And then the next year

978
00:49:03,285 --> 00:49:04,565
we'll move to another neighborhood.

979
00:49:04,755 --> 00:49:06,965
Okay. But right now we're concentrating on trying those big

980
00:49:07,065 --> 00:49:08,445
to get those, those bigger streets

981
00:49:08,585 --> 00:49:11,045
and get the most bang for our buck. Right. Okay.

982
00:49:11,045 --> 00:49:12,245
Thank So back to, Thank you. Back

983
00:49:12,245 --> 00:49:16,245
To 14 to 3 0 2 are, is that in-house we're doing it or

984
00:49:16,385 --> 00:49:18,325
Is it This is, this is hired

985
00:49:18,325 --> 00:49:21,885
through our paving contractor this year's SD

986
00:49:21,885 --> 00:49:23,045
Ireland got our paving bid.

987
00:49:23,075 --> 00:49:27,245
Okay. So in your package for them to do it. Okay.

988
00:49:29,425 --> 00:49:30,605
Yes. One last question.

989
00:49:31,705 --> 00:49:36,565
The, I call it the roller coaster at the light by Mr.

990
00:49:37,105 --> 00:49:38,485
Z's and Dante Park.

991
00:49:39,555 --> 00:49:40,885
Have you ever sat at that light

992
00:49:41,025 --> 00:49:42,285
and watch people going, don't?

993
00:49:42,285 --> 00:49:44,125
Oh yeah. Have you ever watched people go through there?

994
00:49:44,495 --> 00:49:45,495
Quite

995
00:49:47,185 --> 00:49:49,885
My car, because that'll have to be fixed with

996
00:49:49,985 --> 00:49:51,685
The, when the state comes through because

997
00:49:51,715 --> 00:49:53,205
They'll mill that whole road in.

998
00:49:53,355 --> 00:49:56,525
Okay. Just, okay. Thank you.

999
00:49:57,355 --> 00:49:59,685
This is paid paving adjacent,

1000
00:49:59,905 --> 00:50:02,725
but I had email from a constituent today

1001
00:50:02,745 --> 00:50:05,445
who asked whether you could please put the

1002
00:50:06,635 --> 00:50:09,525
stop sign back at the corner of Hill and camp

1003
00:50:09,525 --> 00:50:12,325
because there've been several close calls there

1004
00:50:13,015 --> 00:50:16,165
among the people who don't normally go that way,

1005
00:50:16,425 --> 00:50:18,365
who don't recognize that they have to stop

1006
00:50:18,495 --> 00:50:19,495
There.

1007
00:50:19,495 --> 00:50:22,405
Yeah. We, we can, I talked to the guys about it

1008
00:50:22,405 --> 00:50:27,005
and they were, I think TJ had a, a,

1009
00:50:27,005 --> 00:50:30,125
a excuse or a reason why it wasn't installed yet.

1010
00:50:30,245 --> 00:50:31,885
I think they were waiting to get complete

1011
00:50:31,885 --> 00:50:33,285
there. But I'll, I'll,

1012
00:50:33,845 --> 00:50:36,685
I mean, even if, even if you put it in a, a bucket

1013
00:50:36,785 --> 00:50:39,365
of cement or something, you know, put the thing in a bucket

1014
00:50:39,425 --> 00:50:41,445
of sand or something and stood it up,

1015
00:50:41,445 --> 00:50:42,885
that would be a huge help

1016
00:50:42,995 --> 00:50:47,725
because it's not, you know, there are a lot

1017
00:50:47,725 --> 00:50:49,845
of people, I mean, I've been spending a lot of time out in

1018
00:50:49,845 --> 00:50:52,765
that corner too, and whoa, you know,

1019
00:50:53,005 --> 00:50:54,525
I don't wanna get killed and no one else

1020
00:50:54,525 --> 00:50:55,565
wants to get killed either.

1021
00:50:56,315 --> 00:50:59,005
Council deer. And they did say that.

1022
00:50:59,005 --> 00:51:01,165
The sidewalk looks beautiful. Thank you. So

1023
00:51:01,875 --> 00:51:03,125
I've heard a lot about, as well,

1024
00:51:03,385 --> 00:51:05,765
paving from our residence is all we all have.

1025
00:51:06,105 --> 00:51:09,765
And I'm curious what the ramifications would be

1026
00:51:10,345 --> 00:51:13,045
to restore the reduction of the 76,000

1027
00:51:13,065 --> 00:51:14,525
for the Washington Street area.

1028
00:51:17,915 --> 00:51:19,765
Well, We'll pick that up during the shim, correct.

1029
00:51:20,285 --> 00:51:21,445
I mean, so we're, we're,

1030
00:51:21,575 --> 00:51:25,445
we're proposing a reduction on the Washington Street area,

1031
00:51:26,545 --> 00:51:27,845
but I'm wondering

1032
00:51:27,845 --> 00:51:28,845
What Right.

1033
00:51:28,845 --> 00:51:30,925
Because if you look at, look at back at the, the,

1034
00:51:31,265 --> 00:51:34,685
the quote we originally got from Ireland was 400

1035
00:51:34,825 --> 00:51:36,325
and something thousand four three.

1036
00:51:36,385 --> 00:51:40,405
And that was to do the full shim on both streets from Elm

1037
00:51:40,465 --> 00:51:45,245
to the city line in order just to, to, to reduce it.

1038
00:51:45,335 --> 00:51:48,565
Which if you want to approve we can, we can go that high,

1039
00:51:48,625 --> 00:51:51,885
but so basically cut it in half with the right, yeah, we,

1040
00:51:51,885 --> 00:51:53,965
we pulled out the section that we've already done on

1041
00:51:54,515 --> 00:51:58,285
Main Street and then we decided we, we could live

1042
00:51:58,285 --> 00:52:00,085
with it just up to, to

1043
00:52:01,025 --> 00:52:03,325
do the worst section on, on Washington.

1044
00:52:04,105 --> 00:52:06,485
So it's, it's really what you want to approve.

1045
00:52:06,945 --> 00:52:10,845
We can, we can pave as much as you want. When

1046
00:52:10,845 --> 00:52:11,845
Are they coming in?

1047
00:52:12,245 --> 00:52:15,805
They will, I think they're starting week after next. Okay.

1048
00:52:16,865 --> 00:52:19,165
So we can, you know, we can, I'm sorry,

1049
00:52:19,195 --> 00:52:21,445
Judy comping, do you have a question?

1050
00:52:21,445 --> 00:52:24,845
Yeah, I just wondered, when you fix South Main Street,

1051
00:52:25,465 --> 00:52:27,885
are you gonna put the crosswalk sign back up?

1052
00:52:29,355 --> 00:52:30,355
The One that's

1053
00:52:30,355 --> 00:52:31,575
Wrapped around the tree? The pole?

1054
00:52:31,885 --> 00:52:33,775
Yeah. Yes. Yes.

1055
00:52:33,825 --> 00:52:37,175
We'll paint the crosswalks and and fix the signs.

1056
00:52:37,915 --> 00:52:40,495
And what about the signs that have been taken out down

1057
00:52:40,515 --> 00:52:43,835
by RK miles in Berlin Street

1058
00:52:45,005 --> 00:52:46,395
Signs that on The median,

1059
00:52:46,855 --> 00:52:47,855
The there's a Median.

1060
00:52:47,855 --> 00:52:48,955
All all the ones. Yeah, that's,

1061
00:52:48,955 --> 00:52:50,235
they were working on it this week.

1062
00:52:50,665 --> 00:52:52,115
Yeah, it's, it's on the list.

1063
00:52:52,785 --> 00:52:54,435
Okay. Thank you. Yes,

1064
00:52:54,645 --> 00:52:55,645
Thank you Judy.

1065
00:52:56,255 --> 00:52:59,555
So, so just to be clear, counsel, I mean we're, yes,

1066
00:52:59,865 --> 00:53:02,355
this is technically, you know, it's a partnership

1067
00:53:02,575 --> 00:53:04,635
and we have a good working relationship

1068
00:53:04,635 --> 00:53:06,275
with Brans and with Joe Flynn.

1069
00:53:07,335 --> 00:53:09,915
If you want to feel really good about where we're at

1070
00:53:09,915 --> 00:53:12,675
with potholes and paving, go talk to Joe Flynn

1071
00:53:13,265 --> 00:53:17,995
because his problem is 60 times the size that ours is.

1072
00:53:18,095 --> 00:53:21,355
So, you know, absolutely. We try to listen to constituents.

1073
00:53:21,855 --> 00:53:23,835
We all see it on social media,

1074
00:53:24,375 --> 00:53:26,125
we all hear it in the grocery stores.

1075
00:53:27,705 --> 00:53:29,805
So, you know, we're spending this money,

1076
00:53:29,905 --> 00:53:31,845
we are specifically spending this money

1077
00:53:31,905 --> 00:53:35,045
and keep in mind that today we,

1078
00:53:35,505 --> 00:53:39,645
we approved in the last round budget round $800,000

1079
00:53:40,025 --> 00:53:41,285
in paving.

1080
00:53:41,955 --> 00:53:45,005
That is double where we were just two years ago.

1081
00:53:45,745 --> 00:53:48,005
And I said to the council, next year we need

1082
00:53:48,005 --> 00:53:51,245
to be at a million, eventually we need to be at 1.6.

1083
00:53:51,625 --> 00:53:52,765
That's where we need to be.

1084
00:53:52,905 --> 00:53:55,645
So folks, we are still playing catch up.

1085
00:53:55,825 --> 00:53:58,165
We, we are absolutely doing the best we can with

1086
00:53:58,165 --> 00:54:01,365
what we have and with this paving, we're trying

1087
00:54:01,565 --> 00:54:04,605
to concentrate on, you know, pretty much South Main

1088
00:54:04,705 --> 00:54:06,525
and 3 0 2 touch everybody Right.

1089
00:54:06,525 --> 00:54:07,925
You know, route 14 or coming

1090
00:54:08,285 --> 00:54:09,285
A tourist Season.

1091
00:54:09,285 --> 00:54:11,605
So let's, and and I get it that, you know, some folks

1092
00:54:11,825 --> 00:54:14,965
who live on Woodland Drive say this road stinks.

1093
00:54:15,245 --> 00:54:17,805
I don't drive woodland that often,

1094
00:54:17,905 --> 00:54:20,125
but when I do, I think to myself, this road sinks.

1095
00:54:20,365 --> 00:54:22,285
Yeah, I, you know, I agree with them,

1096
00:54:22,345 --> 00:54:24,365
but we're trying to, we're trying

1097
00:54:24,365 --> 00:54:26,685
to touch the most constituents that we can.

1098
00:54:26,745 --> 00:54:29,125
And so that's why we're taking this approach.

1099
00:54:29,265 --> 00:54:31,965
And I saw the thank you note from a constituent, speaking

1100
00:54:31,965 --> 00:54:34,805
of which for going up in fixing Bassett Street.

1101
00:54:35,665 --> 00:54:38,925
So, you know, as we see areas that are really bad

1102
00:54:39,005 --> 00:54:41,965
and downright dangerous, you know, we do try to hit 'em,

1103
00:54:41,965 --> 00:54:43,445
but we are still down how many?

1104
00:54:43,815 --> 00:54:47,685
3, 6, 6 in public works.

1105
00:54:47,825 --> 00:54:49,525
So if you know anyone who needs a job,

1106
00:54:50,615 --> 00:54:51,765
we're budgeted for it.

1107
00:54:52,145 --> 00:54:53,805
So if you know anyone you know

1108
00:54:53,825 --> 00:54:55,605
who would like a job in public works,

1109
00:54:56,245 --> 00:54:58,325
that would be music two errors as well.

1110
00:54:59,145 --> 00:55:00,525
So any, yes,

1111
00:55:00,825 --> 00:55:01,825
One more thing.

1112
00:55:01,825 --> 00:55:02,965
And I'm sorry it's not, it's just sort of a,

1113
00:55:03,045 --> 00:55:04,685
I wanna make sure we're clear about something.

1114
00:55:05,005 --> 00:55:07,765
I keep hearing, I, last year you did a lot

1115
00:55:07,765 --> 00:55:09,605
of work on Prospect Street and

1116
00:55:10,785 --> 00:55:12,285
Berlin and Allen

1117
00:55:13,065 --> 00:55:14,805
And so I think all of it was like sort

1118
00:55:14,805 --> 00:55:16,685
of focused over there and then neighborhoods over

1119
00:55:16,685 --> 00:55:17,805
there were probably screaming.

1120
00:55:17,825 --> 00:55:20,205
And this time it's on the other side of the hill

1121
00:55:20,665 --> 00:55:24,245
and the other thing is the railroad crossing

1122
00:55:24,425 --> 00:55:26,165
and that work on Hill Street,

1123
00:55:26,295 --> 00:55:28,005
which is completely out of our control.

1124
00:55:28,005 --> 00:55:31,085
Yeah. Right. So I think it's, what happens is you're sort

1125
00:55:31,085 --> 00:55:32,725
of like, you're concentrating it

1126
00:55:32,725 --> 00:55:35,285
and people are feeling like, I don't have any way to get

1127
00:55:35,285 --> 00:55:36,765
to work or any way to get to

1128
00:55:36,765 --> 00:55:38,525
where the grocery store or wherever they're going.

1129
00:55:38,705 --> 00:55:39,845
But part of that is

1130
00:55:39,845 --> 00:55:42,045
because it's all concentrated in one area

1131
00:55:42,185 --> 00:55:44,685
to make it easier and more efficient. Yeah.

1132
00:55:44,685 --> 00:55:45,805
More efficient for the contractor.

1133
00:55:45,805 --> 00:55:47,765
They'll, you know, every time he moves the,

1134
00:55:47,765 --> 00:55:50,445
they're gonna charge us, you know, mobilization fees.

1135
00:55:50,985 --> 00:55:53,725
So if we can concentrate the, the

1136
00:55:54,275 --> 00:55:56,725
into an area they have less mobilization Yeah.

1137
00:55:57,185 --> 00:55:59,805
We can get more, more paving out of our budget.

1138
00:55:59,855 --> 00:56:01,205
Right. So I just wanna make sure that

1139
00:56:01,795 --> 00:56:03,805
everybody understands that we're not trying

1140
00:56:03,805 --> 00:56:06,085
to just make everybody go crazy in one area.

1141
00:56:07,345 --> 00:56:09,925
One more thing. So this is gonna be a

1142
00:56:09,925 --> 00:56:11,045
nighttime project, correct?

1143
00:56:11,945 --> 00:56:13,565
Yes. And when does it start?

1144
00:56:14,985 --> 00:56:17,205
I'm not sure the dates on that,

1145
00:56:17,305 --> 00:56:21,165
but it'll be, you know, probably in the next two months

1146
00:56:23,365 --> 00:56:25,095
because they'll, they'll come in

1147
00:56:25,095 --> 00:56:27,815
and I'm not sure how they will schedule their work,

1148
00:56:27,955 --> 00:56:29,975
but we, I think our guys will be done. So during

1149
00:56:29,975 --> 00:56:31,975
Tourist season it's gonna be done.

1150
00:56:32,035 --> 00:56:33,495
How long is the project last?

1151
00:56:33,805 --> 00:56:34,895
They, they think they've got it,

1152
00:56:34,895 --> 00:56:36,175
they do it in four days. Oh my

1153
00:56:36,175 --> 00:56:37,175
God.

1154
00:56:37,175 --> 00:56:37,655
Okay. That's, they'll okay.

1155
00:56:38,355 --> 00:56:40,415
It just matters their exact schedule.

1156
00:56:42,395 --> 00:56:43,975
We have to pay kind of a premium

1157
00:56:43,975 --> 00:56:46,535
because doing it at night, they're hauling out

1158
00:56:46,535 --> 00:56:47,735
of their plant in Burlington.

1159
00:56:48,115 --> 00:56:49,375
So they're, they're haul doing that.

1160
00:56:49,475 --> 00:56:53,815
We are going to, to do the traffic control ourselves,

1161
00:56:54,945 --> 00:56:56,495
which will probably end up just, you know,

1162
00:56:56,495 --> 00:56:58,575
setting up detours and with light trees

1163
00:56:58,595 --> 00:57:00,375
and all that to get people around.

1164
00:57:00,915 --> 00:57:04,295
But they, they think that they can, you know, they have

1165
00:57:04,295 --> 00:57:05,295
to pay overtime at night,

1166
00:57:05,475 --> 00:57:09,015
but they're thinking it's probably saving them half the

1167
00:57:09,015 --> 00:57:10,215
time Exactly.

1168
00:57:10,635 --> 00:57:12,575
To do it at night versus doing it in a day

1169
00:57:13,325 --> 00:57:14,325
Just looks so good.

1170
00:57:14,325 --> 00:57:16,095
People come in town and like that's done.

1171
00:57:16,555 --> 00:57:19,375
Yep. So they're predicting to, they can do it in four days

1172
00:57:19,795 --> 00:57:21,455
or four nights, but

1173
00:57:22,335 --> 00:57:25,295
whenever that is, I'm not sure on their exact schedule,

1174
00:57:25,435 --> 00:57:26,975
but thank you.

1175
00:57:28,415 --> 00:57:30,595
So counsel, I would entertain a motion

1176
00:57:30,695 --> 00:57:34,195
to approve the additional paving as presented.

1177
00:57:34,495 --> 00:57:37,155
So moved. Second. Second. It's moved in. Seconded.

1178
00:57:37,175 --> 00:57:40,755
Is there any discussion hearing none? All those in favor?

1179
00:57:40,775 --> 00:57:43,875
The motion is presented. Please signify by saying aye. Aye.

1180
00:57:44,295 --> 00:57:47,075
And those opposed? Thank you very much counsel.

1181
00:57:47,085 --> 00:57:49,595
We'll move to eight E on the agenda. Thank you. Thank you.

1182
00:57:49,665 --> 00:57:50,995
This is to, oh, I'm sorry.

1183
00:57:51,015 --> 00:57:53,795
We scratched eight E on the agenda, so we'll be moving on

1184
00:57:53,795 --> 00:57:55,115
to eight F on the agenda,

1185
00:57:55,115 --> 00:57:57,435
which is the Flood Resiliency update.

1186
00:57:57,435 --> 00:57:58,595
Council Augustine, thank

1187
00:57:58,595 --> 00:57:59,595
You.

1188
00:57:59,595 --> 00:58:01,075
Yes, I do not have a PowerPoint for this.

1189
00:58:01,145 --> 00:58:04,075
This is just a, in the nature of a quick verbal update,

1190
00:58:06,575 --> 00:58:10,995
One of, one of our, the pieces of our plan was

1191
00:58:10,995 --> 00:58:14,675
to create a north end master plan about a month ago.

1192
00:58:14,775 --> 00:58:18,875
We were all at the mutual in the north end to talk about,

1193
00:58:19,685 --> 00:58:22,715
about that work and to, to hear more from folks

1194
00:58:22,775 --> 00:58:25,035
or to continue to hear affirmed from

1195
00:58:25,035 --> 00:58:26,195
folks what they were looking for.

1196
00:58:27,135 --> 00:58:30,035
And at that meeting we announced the creation

1197
00:58:30,035 --> 00:58:31,555
of a North end steering committee.

1198
00:58:33,395 --> 00:58:35,915
I have not, we do not have many updates on that yet.

1199
00:58:35,915 --> 00:58:39,115
So I would encourage folks to consider applying,

1200
00:58:40,765 --> 00:58:44,395
think of people that you know, who would be good,

1201
00:58:45,135 --> 00:58:47,195
who care deeply about the future of the north end

1202
00:58:47,215 --> 00:58:49,435
who are interested in having these good,

1203
00:58:49,485 --> 00:58:51,035
thoughtful conversations

1204
00:58:51,895 --> 00:58:54,835
and to please apply through the regular

1205
00:58:55,515 --> 00:58:58,795
committee member application process on the city website.

1206
00:58:59,055 --> 00:59:01,995
And that is if you hover over counseling committees right up

1207
00:59:01,995 --> 00:59:03,555
the top of that, of that list

1208
00:59:04,295 --> 00:59:06,395
is the way you can get to that application.

1209
00:59:07,215 --> 00:59:09,475
I'm looking at at least two names in the Zoom right now

1210
00:59:09,495 --> 00:59:11,475
who would be phenomenal on that committee.

1211
00:59:14,255 --> 00:59:16,875
But I would encourage anyone else who is listening

1212
00:59:16,935 --> 00:59:19,435
or thinking of someone they know, you don't necessarily have

1213
00:59:19,435 --> 00:59:20,515
to live in the north end,

1214
00:59:20,655 --> 00:59:23,765
but you should sort of care about the north end

1215
00:59:24,225 --> 00:59:26,925
and care about planning a future for it.

1216
00:59:27,805 --> 00:59:30,725
I dunno if anyone else wants to jump in or add to that.

1217
00:59:31,625 --> 00:59:34,565
No, just really a, a kind of reason for the delay

1218
00:59:34,565 --> 00:59:38,165
because we talked about, I talked about this number

1219
00:59:38,165 --> 00:59:41,765
of weeks ago and what occurred to me is that

1220
00:59:42,425 --> 00:59:43,805
we had a looming deadline,

1221
00:59:44,015 --> 00:59:47,365
which is the C-D-B-G-D-R applications.

1222
00:59:48,025 --> 00:59:50,325
And as I thought about the DR applications

1223
00:59:50,545 --> 00:59:52,685
and standing up a committee, I thought to myself,

1224
00:59:52,685 --> 00:59:54,205
they won't really have any place to start.

1225
00:59:55,425 --> 00:59:57,925
The, the, the simple truth is that

1226
00:59:58,715 --> 01:00:02,285
once this third round is done, I'm not aware of any,

1227
01:00:02,755 --> 01:00:04,565
there's brick, there's brick funding,

1228
01:00:05,105 --> 01:00:07,925
but I'm not aware of any significant state

1229
01:00:07,945 --> 01:00:10,525
or federal funds that are going to be available for,

1230
01:00:10,945 --> 01:00:14,765
you know, flood mitigation or, or flood resiliency.

1231
01:00:15,825 --> 01:00:17,245
So I thought to myself, you know,

1232
01:00:17,305 --> 01:00:19,165
it would probably be better to give,

1233
01:00:19,825 --> 01:00:21,605
to wait on standing up a committee

1234
01:00:21,735 --> 01:00:23,405
until we have something with them.

1235
01:00:24,895 --> 01:00:28,205
We're submitting a pretty exciting, it combines both housing

1236
01:00:28,745 --> 01:00:29,845
and flood mitigation.

1237
01:00:30,025 --> 01:00:32,525
So I, I like got together with the team this week.

1238
01:00:32,605 --> 01:00:35,885
I like the application that we're submitting, thankfully,

1239
01:00:35,985 --> 01:00:37,765
and Carol, you can speak to this, the

1240
01:00:38,645 --> 01:00:40,165
A CCD seems to like it too.

1241
01:00:41,065 --> 01:00:43,645
So they think it is a very competitive application.

1242
01:00:43,785 --> 01:00:46,445
So for that reason, I sort of walked it back

1243
01:00:46,445 --> 01:00:47,445
and said, I wanna wait

1244
01:00:47,455 --> 01:00:49,405
until we get this application submitted

1245
01:00:49,905 --> 01:00:52,005
and then stand up a committee so

1246
01:00:52,835 --> 01:00:55,005
hopefully they'll have something to work with.

1247
01:00:55,945 --> 01:00:57,205
So that was the reason.

1248
01:00:57,345 --> 01:00:59,485
But I hope people remain excited

1249
01:00:59,485 --> 01:01:03,165
because, you know, I was over at the park this evening

1250
01:01:03,385 --> 01:01:04,405
and speaking to someone

1251
01:01:04,465 --> 01:01:06,805
and they talked about, you know, what is the timeframe

1252
01:01:07,345 --> 01:01:08,965
for re for for real recovery,

1253
01:01:09,095 --> 01:01:11,525
meaningful recovery in the north end decades.

1254
01:01:12,185 --> 01:01:13,685
That's the honest answer.

1255
01:01:14,345 --> 01:01:16,885
But you know, folks, how do you eat an elephant?

1256
01:01:17,105 --> 01:01:18,685
One bite at a time. Right.

1257
01:01:18,745 --> 01:01:20,085
And what I won't accept,

1258
01:01:20,385 --> 01:01:23,205
and I don't think anyone sitting at this table will,

1259
01:01:24,065 --> 01:01:26,285
is letting a year go by and doing nothing.

1260
01:01:26,535 --> 01:01:30,005
Right. Even if it's a simple $50,000 park.

1261
01:01:30,745 --> 01:01:35,285
You know, something to, to make sure that, that like we do

1262
01:01:35,315 --> 01:01:38,565
with the flood, with our flood mitigation plans,

1263
01:01:40,355 --> 01:01:41,725
that we're always thinking about it.

1264
01:01:41,725 --> 01:01:43,725
That we're always reminding ourselves that we,

1265
01:01:44,105 --> 01:01:45,325
we have this obligation

1266
01:01:45,325 --> 01:01:48,365
to keep moving forward even though we may not have the

1267
01:01:48,645 --> 01:01:50,045
resources that we like.

1268
01:01:50,745 --> 01:01:52,765
So questions? Yes.

1269
01:01:52,945 --> 01:01:54,525
Is there a deadline for applying

1270
01:01:55,465 --> 01:01:56,465
For the, the dr.

1271
01:01:56,905 --> 01:01:58,365
The steering committee? For the steering committee?

1272
01:01:58,425 --> 01:02:01,845
Oh no, I mean if, I mean, I, I really,

1273
01:02:02,025 --> 01:02:06,605
we will get our DR applications in at the end of August, so

1274
01:02:07,485 --> 01:02:09,045
probably, I mean I'm thinking I'd like

1275
01:02:09,045 --> 01:02:11,445
to have a committee stood up by the end of August.

1276
01:02:12,465 --> 01:02:15,925
So they have, will they come to be approved

1277
01:02:15,925 --> 01:02:17,645
by council? Okay. Yeah.

1278
01:02:17,645 --> 01:02:18,485
They'll go through their regular

1279
01:02:18,485 --> 01:02:19,645
committee approval process.

1280
01:02:19,785 --> 01:02:21,205
So I would recommend folks fill out

1281
01:02:21,205 --> 01:02:22,645
that application on the website.

1282
01:02:22,955 --> 01:02:24,605
Yeah. In the next couple weeks.

1283
01:02:24,755 --> 01:02:25,925
Yeah, in the next couple of weeks.

1284
01:02:25,925 --> 01:02:28,165
Carol and I have talked about a process for making sure

1285
01:02:28,165 --> 01:02:30,685
that committee members who apply come before council

1286
01:02:30,825 --> 01:02:32,845
and are contacted and, and that sort of thing.

1287
01:02:32,865 --> 01:02:35,045
So we are keeping an eye on that. Yeah.

1288
01:02:35,265 --> 01:02:36,885
And I owe Stanek an email.

1289
01:02:36,995 --> 01:02:39,205
I've been shamefully seriously shamefully,

1290
01:02:39,365 --> 01:02:40,645
I think I'm two weeks late on it.

1291
01:02:40,645 --> 01:02:42,365
That's awful. I normally don't do that

1292
01:02:42,365 --> 01:02:43,525
and suspend a tough two weeks.

1293
01:02:44,305 --> 01:02:46,925
So, so we'll do that and move on.

1294
01:02:46,925 --> 01:02:49,245
Counsel for a manager search committee

1295
01:02:49,265 --> 01:02:50,485
update Councillor Guston.

1296
01:02:50,925 --> 01:02:53,525
Absolutely. I'm gonna share one quick slide

1297
01:02:53,625 --> 01:02:54,925
and you have all seen this before,

1298
01:02:54,945 --> 01:02:58,285
but I'm gonna share it again because it still applies.

1299
01:02:58,665 --> 01:03:00,605
And that is just to let folks know

1300
01:03:00,605 --> 01:03:02,845
that we have opportunities for feedback

1301
01:03:06,485 --> 01:03:11,005
relative to the phase two of public outreach this week.

1302
01:03:11,225 --> 01:03:13,285
In particular, we are hosting a forum,

1303
01:03:13,525 --> 01:03:16,725
a public forum at the Aldridge Library on Thursday from six

1304
01:03:16,725 --> 01:03:19,725
30 to seven 30 to seek feedback.

1305
01:03:19,725 --> 01:03:20,805
Phase one, as I've said

1306
01:03:20,805 --> 01:03:23,405
before, phase one was where you see the city going

1307
01:03:23,585 --> 01:03:24,725
and what the city needs.

1308
01:03:25,015 --> 01:03:28,445
Phase two is about leadership qualities, excuse me,

1309
01:03:28,445 --> 01:03:30,845
and first year priorities for the work of the candidate

1310
01:03:31,745 --> 01:03:36,565
and we'll help the committee as we review applications.

1311
01:03:37,065 --> 01:03:41,205
We are still on target for the schedule that I shared

1312
01:03:42,645 --> 01:03:46,245
previously, which means that we expect slash plan

1313
01:03:46,465 --> 01:03:47,525
to bring finalists

1314
01:03:47,665 --> 01:03:50,325
to city council in the first week of September.

1315
01:03:50,435 --> 01:03:53,165
Targeting that September one council date.

1316
01:03:54,045 --> 01:03:55,765
I had a, a conversation, we,

1317
01:03:55,775 --> 01:03:57,645
we've had conversations about this in committee

1318
01:03:57,665 --> 01:04:00,165
and I've had conversations with Dominic Cloud

1319
01:04:00,665 --> 01:04:02,805
and we are all in line for that.

1320
01:04:04,205 --> 01:04:05,445
I will, I'll not disclose the number

1321
01:04:05,445 --> 01:04:07,605
because my last update is now five days out of date,

1322
01:04:07,605 --> 01:04:10,285
but we are getting solid numbers of applications

1323
01:04:11,025 --> 01:04:13,325
and Dom is feeling good about the response rate.

1324
01:04:14,185 --> 01:04:15,525
So we are on track.

1325
01:04:17,145 --> 01:04:18,965
How many responses to date? I'm sorry.

1326
01:04:20,485 --> 01:04:22,245
I don't know. I don't know to date.

1327
01:04:22,355 --> 01:04:25,085
When I spoke to Dom a week ago, it was 14. Okay.

1328
01:04:25,305 --> 01:04:29,005
So I think we are while past 14 now

1329
01:04:30,385 --> 01:04:33,365
and we continue, we've got, it's, we,

1330
01:04:33,365 --> 01:04:34,885
our closing date is August 14th,

1331
01:04:35,025 --> 01:04:36,445
so we've got another two weeks

1332
01:04:37,065 --> 01:04:39,885
or so, 10 days to continue to get the applications.

1333
01:04:39,905 --> 01:04:42,565
He thought that the rate at which he was seeing them come

1334
01:04:42,565 --> 01:04:43,685
in was something he was happy with.

1335
01:04:44,195 --> 01:04:45,285
Good. I will add,

1336
01:04:45,485 --> 01:04:47,005
'cause I'm on that committee, is that

1337
01:04:47,785 --> 01:04:50,685
we really have some pretty good discussions

1338
01:04:51,005 --> 01:04:53,485
'cause there's so many, the people on the committee,

1339
01:04:53,555 --> 01:04:57,325
there's a lot of comparisons but a lot of differences.

1340
01:04:57,905 --> 01:05:00,765
So I think it's worked well man.

1341
01:05:00,765 --> 01:05:01,925
They've done well. Thank you.

1342
01:05:02,555 --> 01:05:04,125
It's been, it's good. It's a good committee.

1343
01:05:04,125 --> 01:05:06,085
It's built to, to do good work

1344
01:05:06,385 --> 01:05:08,125
and we're gonna start to end

1345
01:05:08,125 --> 01:05:10,765
through the intensive period starting next week.

1346
01:05:11,395 --> 01:05:15,685
Fantastic. Any other questions for Council? Guston

1347
01:05:16,835 --> 01:05:18,645
Said please scan that survey.

1348
01:05:18,945 --> 01:05:21,445
Please come to the forum. Same topic at both.

1349
01:05:21,565 --> 01:05:22,725
I don't feel like you need to do both,

1350
01:05:22,905 --> 01:05:26,365
but we are seeking as much feedback as folks can give us. I

1351
01:05:26,845 --> 01:05:27,845
I do have a question.

1352
01:05:27,985 --> 01:05:30,925
Is this QR code available on the website? Is it on the city?

1353
01:05:31,385 --> 01:05:33,565
The survey is linked. On the city matters. Okay, perfect.

1354
01:05:33,575 --> 01:05:35,845
Great. Yep. So that's there. People can Great.

1355
01:05:36,665 --> 01:05:37,925
Go to the city webpage.

1356
01:05:37,935 --> 01:05:41,965
There is just a incredible amount of information there.

1357
01:05:42,245 --> 01:05:44,365
There is, there is.

1358
01:05:44,905 --> 01:05:48,925
So council under item nine, under upcoming businesses

1359
01:05:48,925 --> 01:05:50,125
or anything that the council, well,

1360
01:05:50,145 --> 01:05:52,125
or you can email me if there's anything you would like

1361
01:05:52,125 --> 01:05:55,365
to see on a future agenda.

1362
01:05:55,565 --> 01:05:59,645
I mean, honestly for the last, I, I was working very closely

1363
01:06:01,715 --> 01:06:05,205
with, with Janet and, and Josh

1364
01:06:05,625 --> 01:06:09,565
and Jim on the DR applications and,

1365
01:06:09,565 --> 01:06:11,005
and making sure that we got those right.

1366
01:06:12,105 --> 01:06:16,965
Did have a, a great meeting with Secretary of Designee

1367
01:06:17,965 --> 01:06:21,765
Brooks that is Secretary Curley's replacement.

1368
01:06:21,945 --> 01:06:25,005
And so we've gotten a lot of good feedback from a CCD,

1369
01:06:25,025 --> 01:06:26,405
but that's pretty much honestly

1370
01:06:26,405 --> 01:06:28,245
where my time has really been spent

1371
01:06:28,305 --> 01:06:30,005
for the last two weeks is making sure

1372
01:06:30,005 --> 01:06:31,085
that we get these right

1373
01:06:31,185 --> 01:06:33,565
and we've, we've done a bit of an about face

1374
01:06:34,225 --> 01:06:35,285
on those applications.

1375
01:06:36,905 --> 01:06:39,925
One thing that I did want to share with you is that

1376
01:06:41,965 --> 01:06:44,365
contrary to what the manager had told you, we are,

1377
01:06:44,385 --> 01:06:47,405
we will not be submitting the epi the elevation application.

1378
01:06:48,425 --> 01:06:51,925
And the reason being is that we were, we,

1379
01:06:52,345 --> 01:06:55,365
we have tweaked the other applications pretty seriously.

1380
01:06:56,945 --> 01:06:58,445
But the reason for that is

1381
01:06:58,475 --> 01:07:01,805
that we were told in no uncertain terms that

1382
01:07:01,805 --> 01:07:03,925
that was not a competitive application.

1383
01:07:03,925 --> 01:07:06,605
That they were looking for net new units in housing.

1384
01:07:07,305 --> 01:07:09,045
Not Now, I may not agree with that.

1385
01:07:09,365 --> 01:07:10,485
I may think to myself,

1386
01:07:10,555 --> 01:07:12,805
well why don't you help the people who got hurt?

1387
01:07:13,825 --> 01:07:14,845
But that's not my call.

1388
01:07:15,125 --> 01:07:17,925
I I'm not the secretary of A CCD yet.

1389
01:07:18,865 --> 01:07:23,085
So, so, so,

1390
01:07:24,065 --> 01:07:25,725
so you know, in hearing that,

1391
01:07:26,755 --> 01:07:31,645
what we thought when we, when Janet and Josh and Jim

1392
01:07:31,785 --> 01:07:33,525
and Pat Molt and I discussed it,

1393
01:07:34,225 --> 01:07:35,925
is we thought if we submitted

1394
01:07:35,925 --> 01:07:38,045
that application when we were outright told

1395
01:07:38,115 --> 01:07:39,725
that it would not be competitive

1396
01:07:39,725 --> 01:07:42,085
and it would not be approved, we thought

1397
01:07:42,085 --> 01:07:44,405
that it would seem a bit arrogant and,

1398
01:07:44,545 --> 01:07:46,925
and perhaps look the, you know, the folks

1399
01:07:47,025 --> 01:07:49,205
who score these applications are tainted.

1400
01:07:49,785 --> 01:07:51,965
And we thought to ourselves, geez,

1401
01:07:52,145 --> 01:07:54,685
if we not only submitted an application

1402
01:07:54,685 --> 01:07:56,405
that has been turned down twice,

1403
01:07:57,545 --> 01:07:59,165
but also submit an application,

1404
01:07:59,165 --> 01:08:01,125
when we were told in the pre-ground

1405
01:08:01,515 --> 01:08:04,245
that this would not be funded, would that be viewed

1406
01:08:04,305 --> 01:08:07,805
as arrogant and would that somehow taint the scoring

1407
01:08:08,385 --> 01:08:09,685
on our other applications?

1408
01:08:10,075 --> 01:08:13,245
Like, you know, holy cow we try to help these folks and

1409
01:08:13,245 --> 01:08:14,565
and they don't take our good advice.

1410
01:08:14,785 --> 01:08:17,725
So for that reason, my thought initially,

1411
01:08:17,725 --> 01:08:21,085
after we really talked it over, I said, no, we're not gonna,

1412
01:08:21,095 --> 01:08:22,245
we're not gonna submit this.

1413
01:08:22,345 --> 01:08:24,685
My initial thought was we're not quitters.

1414
01:08:24,985 --> 01:08:27,085
I'm, I'm not gonna quit on these folks. They need help.

1415
01:08:27,665 --> 01:08:30,445
But for the reasons I just described, we really thought it,

1416
01:08:30,785 --> 01:08:32,685
it literally had no chance at approval.

1417
01:08:33,025 --> 01:08:35,405
We, we were flat out, I mean I was told

1418
01:08:35,405 --> 01:08:38,125
that at the highest level, it, it, we are not going

1419
01:08:38,125 --> 01:08:39,285
to approve this application.

1420
01:08:39,865 --> 01:08:42,005
So that's what we did.

1421
01:08:43,025 --> 01:08:44,885
But we submitted some very good

1422
01:08:45,025 --> 01:08:46,725
and competitive, we're working on the

1423
01:08:46,725 --> 01:08:47,765
final applications now.

1424
01:08:47,765 --> 01:08:50,525
Those will be submitted by the end of August

1425
01:08:50,585 --> 01:08:53,205
and those are, those are pretty, pretty exciting.

1426
01:08:54,585 --> 01:08:57,925
So with that council councilor Ruthie

1427
01:08:57,925 --> 01:08:59,165
or anything under Round table

1428
01:09:00,075 --> 01:09:01,075
Pass?

1429
01:09:01,075 --> 01:09:03,965
I, I mean I keep saying I keep complimenting you.

1430
01:09:04,285 --> 01:09:05,405
I love all the construction.

1431
01:09:05,405 --> 01:09:09,085
I know it's a pain, but the infrastructure, it's well needed

1432
01:09:09,145 --> 01:09:11,445
and it's, we're doing stuff that's great.

1433
01:09:11,915 --> 01:09:13,485
It's nice to see except Hill Street.

1434
01:09:13,765 --> 01:09:16,525
I gotta tell you, hill Street's getting old.

1435
01:09:18,525 --> 01:09:20,925
I did hear that they might forego their

1436
01:09:20,955 --> 01:09:22,525
last weekend closure.

1437
01:09:22,865 --> 01:09:25,285
Really? I'm not, we haven't got confirmation.

1438
01:09:25,585 --> 01:09:28,845
But they, they said they might not need that.

1439
01:09:28,845 --> 01:09:33,125
Last week they were scheduled for three on the planning

1440
01:09:33,425 --> 01:09:37,085
and they said they might not need that last weekend closure.

1441
01:09:37,355 --> 01:09:40,805
Yeah, the weekend closure is pretty good.

1442
01:09:42,715 --> 01:09:45,365
What? And you know what, folks do the best they can,

1443
01:09:45,545 --> 01:09:48,325
you know, I mean I make plenty of mistakes on a daily basis,

1444
01:09:49,105 --> 01:09:52,325
but when they don't put the road close sign,

1445
01:09:52,665 --> 01:09:54,765
you know it's closed, you forget it's the weekend

1446
01:09:55,225 --> 01:09:57,045
and they don't put it out by Washington

1447
01:09:57,265 --> 01:09:59,205
and then you, you get going down there

1448
01:10:00,105 --> 01:10:03,245
and especially if it's closed to two way traffic

1449
01:10:04,145 --> 01:10:06,605
during the week and they don't put the sign out there,

1450
01:10:06,625 --> 01:10:09,445
you get all the way to like French Street or further down

1451
01:10:09,705 --> 01:10:12,925
and then getting onto 3 0 2 is a kiss to death

1452
01:10:13,305 --> 01:10:15,085
and everybody's in a bad mood at that point.

1453
01:10:15,285 --> 01:10:17,125
'cause Hill Street is closing, they're not letting you in.

1454
01:10:18,425 --> 01:10:19,885
So Camp Street's done.

1455
01:10:19,885 --> 01:10:21,645
That's gonna be unreal for people

1456
01:10:21,645 --> 01:10:23,805
because that's such a corridor

1457
01:10:24,905 --> 01:10:26,245
and all the work's being done.

1458
01:10:26,245 --> 01:10:28,085
All that's gonna be nice. Yeah, we're

1459
01:10:28,085 --> 01:10:29,565
We're getting it done. Council Boron.

1460
01:10:29,565 --> 01:10:31,605
Well and along those lines, camp Street,

1461
01:10:32,045 --> 01:10:34,845
I read somewhere somebody posted on online about

1462
01:10:35,545 --> 01:10:38,165
how stupid it was to put sidewalk on Camp

1463
01:10:38,165 --> 01:10:39,285
Street, blah, blah blah.

1464
01:10:39,385 --> 01:10:42,485
Oh my. But I think, and I've, I've said this for years,

1465
01:10:43,185 --> 01:10:46,205
our our street department guys are the best sidewalk

1466
01:10:46,405 --> 01:10:47,805
builders in the state of Vermont.

1467
01:10:49,065 --> 01:10:50,245
And you've doubled

1468
01:10:50,245 --> 01:10:52,165
or tripled the amount of area

1469
01:10:52,235 --> 01:10:55,565
that those residents at Lincoln House can now get around by.

1470
01:10:55,785 --> 01:10:57,485
So, good job there. Yeah. And

1471
01:10:57,485 --> 01:11:00,765
And we've done the, the calculations and

1472
01:11:00,765 --> 01:11:04,445
because we do our own sidewalks, we can do three times the,

1473
01:11:04,545 --> 01:11:07,805
the length of sidewalks that we do to to contract them out.

1474
01:11:07,805 --> 01:11:09,005
Yeah, yeah. So, you

1475
01:11:09,005 --> 01:11:10,565
Know, we're trying to stretch the budgets that we

1476
01:11:10,565 --> 01:11:11,565
Have.

1477
01:11:11,565 --> 01:11:12,405
Well, thank the guys Brian. Yeah.

1478
01:11:15,185 --> 01:11:20,005
Yes. I went to the VLCT meetup for select board

1479
01:11:20,105 --> 01:11:23,045
and City Councils last week.

1480
01:11:23,665 --> 01:11:27,005
And it was very interesting because a lot of the other towns

1481
01:11:27,005 --> 01:11:28,085
and communities are very small

1482
01:11:28,185 --> 01:11:29,805
and some of them don't even have city managers.

1483
01:11:30,545 --> 01:11:32,685
But the most interesting thing that I wanted to share

1484
01:11:32,685 --> 01:11:35,325
with the council was towards the end

1485
01:11:35,325 --> 01:11:37,645
of the conversation we were talking about

1486
01:11:37,705 --> 01:11:40,045
how we could maybe work more together regionally

1487
01:11:40,225 --> 01:11:41,925
and sort of countywide.

1488
01:11:42,025 --> 01:11:44,365
And so how the Regional Planning

1489
01:11:44,365 --> 01:11:45,765
commission could maybe help with that.

1490
01:11:45,825 --> 01:11:47,045
So I just share it with you all so

1491
01:11:47,045 --> 01:11:49,925
that maybe we could start moving towards that

1492
01:11:50,045 --> 01:11:52,725
and thinking about things, sharing resources, sharing,

1493
01:11:53,365 --> 01:11:54,805
especially for these smaller communities.

1494
01:11:54,805 --> 01:11:58,165
Like they don't have, they need a, a part-time treasurer

1495
01:11:58,185 --> 01:12:01,085
or part-time finance director or part-time this or that.

1496
01:12:01,185 --> 01:12:03,605
And so even sharing equipment,

1497
01:12:03,605 --> 01:12:04,965
thinking, thinking about things like that.

1498
01:12:05,105 --> 01:12:06,765
So I just bring that up

1499
01:12:06,765 --> 01:12:09,085
because it was neat to meet other people

1500
01:12:09,085 --> 01:12:10,205
who are doing the same thing we're doing,

1501
01:12:10,225 --> 01:12:11,845
but in different places. So

1502
01:12:12,175 --> 01:12:13,175
Thank you.

1503
01:12:14,245 --> 01:12:16,085
I was fully expecting Cons Councilor Spalding

1504
01:12:16,085 --> 01:12:19,125
to talk about the Vermont Green Oh yeah.

1505
01:12:19,985 --> 01:12:22,405
And our back to back National Undefeated Champions. Yes.

1506
01:12:23,695 --> 01:12:27,565
About really enjoyed watching the game at the social club.

1507
01:12:28,905 --> 01:12:30,365
It was my, it was my weekend activity

1508
01:12:30,385 --> 01:12:32,125
and it was just a stunningly beautiful day

1509
01:12:32,125 --> 01:12:35,085
for the National Night Out barbecue over at Coer Park.

1510
01:12:35,305 --> 01:12:38,285
So it was really nice to see people enjoying the,

1511
01:12:38,425 --> 01:12:40,685
the brief bout of beautiful weather that we got today.

1512
01:12:41,595 --> 01:12:42,805
Awesome counselor.

1513
01:12:44,085 --> 01:12:48,725
I attended the open house that upend this had

1514
01:12:48,905 --> 01:12:53,325
and looked at their, their unit that was finished.

1515
01:12:54,345 --> 01:12:57,285
And I just have to say I was tremendously impressed.

1516
01:12:57,505 --> 01:12:59,605
And if they do another event like that

1517
01:12:59,625 --> 01:13:02,285
and you haven't been to, to look at what they're doing,

1518
01:13:02,875 --> 01:13:04,205
it's really cool.

1519
01:13:05,035 --> 01:13:07,565
It's more Legos than, you know, stick build

1520
01:13:07,585 --> 01:13:11,245
and it's, it, it, it's just really a neat idea

1521
01:13:11,505 --> 01:13:16,405
and very attractive space that they come up

1522
01:13:16,405 --> 01:13:18,725
with and very energy efficient.

1523
01:13:19,405 --> 01:13:20,805
So I was impressed and I was grateful

1524
01:13:20,805 --> 01:13:24,885
that they had made the effort to have a, an event

1525
01:13:24,885 --> 01:13:26,565
where they invited the public to come.

1526
01:13:29,595 --> 01:13:33,205
Just kind of want to echo some of the construction praises

1527
01:13:33,275 --> 01:13:36,205
that really, I think until I sat in this seat,

1528
01:13:36,545 --> 01:13:40,325
did I not really appreciate construction as much

1529
01:13:40,325 --> 01:13:41,605
as I do currently.

1530
01:13:42,325 --> 01:13:43,605
'cause it means that we're doing stuff,

1531
01:13:43,615 --> 01:13:44,885
we're not just sitting on our hands,

1532
01:13:44,945 --> 01:13:47,485
but we're actually spending money trying to be proactive

1533
01:13:47,505 --> 01:13:50,085
and maintaining our community's infrastructure.

1534
01:13:51,625 --> 01:13:55,005
So just really just wanted to express that view

1535
01:13:55,005 --> 01:13:57,885
because as a resident I don't always see that I see the,

1536
01:13:59,105 --> 01:14:01,365
my Detour or this or that,

1537
01:14:02,145 --> 01:14:05,565
but when you really look at it, alright, so I've gotta deal

1538
01:14:05,565 --> 01:14:07,005
with this for a short amount of time,

1539
01:14:07,465 --> 01:14:09,245
but the community's working on it.

1540
01:14:09,245 --> 01:14:13,525
We're trying to get better. So just lots of, lots

1541
01:14:13,525 --> 01:14:15,885
of really great projects going on here in Barry

1542
01:14:16,315 --> 01:14:19,325
between Stevens branch apartments, prospect Heights,

1543
01:14:19,515 --> 01:14:21,325
working on stuff in the North end.

1544
01:14:21,745 --> 01:14:24,205
You know, just a lot of different amazing projects

1545
01:14:24,205 --> 01:14:26,125
that we've been working on for many years.

1546
01:14:27,505 --> 01:14:30,085
And to see some of these projects finally coming

1547
01:14:30,185 --> 01:14:32,885
to fruition, it's just great.

1548
01:14:33,385 --> 01:14:36,285
So I just really just

1549
01:14:36,775 --> 01:14:37,775
Great stuff.

1550
01:14:38,195 --> 01:14:39,245
Awesome. Thank you.

1551
01:14:39,865 --> 01:14:41,645
And remind me again, Brian, we're how many,

1552
01:14:41,785 --> 01:14:43,565
how many folks down in Public Works?

1553
01:14:43,825 --> 01:14:44,825
Six.

1554
01:14:45,345 --> 01:14:48,725
We, I think we have five opening, we have one first out on

1555
01:14:48,725 --> 01:14:49,725
Workers' comp.

1556
01:14:49,725 --> 01:14:50,565
So we have five openings

1557
01:14:50,665 --> 01:14:53,645
and we have a staff of 20, we have a staff of 20.

1558
01:14:53,835 --> 01:14:57,085
Yeah. And we have five openings. So think about that folks.

1559
01:14:57,905 --> 01:15:00,525
So, you know, if you wanna do something on social media

1560
01:15:00,545 --> 01:15:04,125
rather than *****, why don't you send someone down so

1561
01:15:04,125 --> 01:15:07,085
that Brian can interview them, because I guarantee you that

1562
01:15:07,385 --> 01:15:10,165
and and unfortunately we suffer from the same affliction

1563
01:15:10,165 --> 01:15:11,605
that many Vermont businesses do.

1564
01:15:12,425 --> 01:15:14,325
We, we, we just don't have enough people

1565
01:15:14,345 --> 01:15:15,445
to fill the positions.

1566
01:15:15,505 --> 01:15:17,965
But it's not that we're not trying, it's not

1567
01:15:17,965 --> 01:15:19,485
that the council hasn't funded them.

1568
01:15:19,515 --> 01:15:21,965
It's not like our, our voters haven't funded them.

1569
01:15:22,025 --> 01:15:24,445
We have, right. We just don't have the people

1570
01:15:24,845 --> 01:15:25,885
applying for the positions.

1571
01:15:25,885 --> 01:15:26,925
We would love to hire them.

1572
01:15:27,465 --> 01:15:30,085
And so that means that currently I'm a math guy,

1573
01:15:30,495 --> 01:15:32,245
we're doing this work with 15 people.

1574
01:15:32,945 --> 01:15:34,285
So imagine if we had 20,

1575
01:15:34,705 --> 01:15:37,405
we could do in theory 33% more work.

1576
01:15:37,545 --> 01:15:40,845
So those potholes that you and I complain about

1577
01:15:40,845 --> 01:15:44,485
because they're not getting filled, we are down five people.

1578
01:15:45,025 --> 01:15:47,485
So we have to keep up with the work that we're doing.

1579
01:15:47,585 --> 01:15:51,085
And, and you know, that's the, that's the simple reason

1580
01:15:51,995 --> 01:15:53,645
Vermont Green, holy cow.

1581
01:15:53,745 --> 01:15:55,165
Who would've thought, I mean,

1582
01:15:55,165 --> 01:15:57,165
to come outta nowhere in an inaugural year,

1583
01:15:57,265 --> 01:15:58,445
win a national championship

1584
01:15:58,545 --> 01:16:01,405
and then do it again the following year.

1585
01:16:01,555 --> 01:16:04,045
That was incredibly exciting.

1586
01:16:04,565 --> 01:16:06,965
I couldn't watch it at the social club

1587
01:16:07,165 --> 01:16:09,445
'cause I was going to pieces 'cause I knew they were gonna

1588
01:16:09,445 --> 01:16:12,685
win and I had to try to maintain some sense of decorum.

1589
01:16:13,005 --> 01:16:16,085
I know that might be hard for you to believe candidates.

1590
01:16:16,185 --> 01:16:17,285
I'm all over the place tonight.

1591
01:16:17,285 --> 01:16:20,005
Candidates, first of all,

1592
01:16:20,005 --> 01:16:22,005
congratulations on making it to the primary.

1593
01:16:22,265 --> 01:16:25,805
Anyone who's listening, it takes courage

1594
01:16:25,865 --> 01:16:26,965
to put yourself out there.

1595
01:16:27,565 --> 01:16:29,685
I don't care how big your ego is, I don't care

1596
01:16:29,685 --> 01:16:30,765
how big your wallet is.

1597
01:16:30,885 --> 01:16:32,445
I don't care how big you think you are.

1598
01:16:32,915 --> 01:16:36,045
When you, when you put yourself out there, there's always

1599
01:16:36,805 --> 01:16:38,045
a certain amount of intimidation,

1600
01:16:38,165 --> 01:16:39,645
a certain amount of apprehension.

1601
01:16:40,345 --> 01:16:41,805
And so to the candidates

1602
01:16:41,805 --> 01:16:44,485
who put themselves out there in the primaries knowing

1603
01:16:44,555 --> 01:16:47,165
that someone's, you know, someone's going home

1604
01:16:47,165 --> 01:16:48,245
and someone's moving on.

1605
01:16:48,935 --> 01:16:50,045
Thank you for doing that

1606
01:16:50,045 --> 01:16:52,685
because not, I, I've really been proud of

1607
01:16:52,685 --> 01:16:55,805
how I've watched all of the candidates debate the issues.

1608
01:16:56,025 --> 01:16:58,325
It hasn't really, even though you get towards the end,

1609
01:16:58,325 --> 01:16:59,485
this week is gonna be interesting

1610
01:16:59,925 --> 01:17:00,925
'cause you get towards the end

1611
01:17:00,985 --> 01:17:03,725
and even the nicest people can get a little wonky.

1612
01:17:04,105 --> 01:17:06,685
So, but let's not, let's not, let's,

1613
01:17:06,695 --> 01:17:07,925
let's keep it the way it's been

1614
01:17:07,925 --> 01:17:10,965
because I've been been proud of the campaign

1615
01:17:10,965 --> 01:17:13,725
that candidates have run except

1616
01:17:14,235 --> 01:17:16,685
when they put their signs on the city Right of way

1617
01:17:16,785 --> 01:17:17,845
or on the city property.

1618
01:17:17,945 --> 01:17:19,965
Yes, sir. So let me explain a little bit about that

1619
01:17:19,965 --> 01:17:21,005
to you and how that works.

1620
01:17:21,095 --> 01:17:23,245
We've seen a fair amount about that on social media.

1621
01:17:24,375 --> 01:17:26,605
Again, five people down in public works.

1622
01:17:27,505 --> 01:17:30,725
We are not going to be the signed police.

1623
01:17:31,065 --> 01:17:32,965
We would rather be fixing potholes.

1624
01:17:33,195 --> 01:17:36,805
However, the, the stand the city has always taken is

1625
01:17:37,095 --> 01:17:41,245
candidates, please don't put your signs on city property.

1626
01:17:41,535 --> 01:17:43,605
There was one on Elmwood Cemetery today.

1627
01:17:43,695 --> 01:17:44,845
Won't name the candidate.

1628
01:17:44,985 --> 01:17:48,325
Not what I'm all about, but Holy cow. Elmwood Cemetery.

1629
01:17:48,625 --> 01:17:50,125
No, not the cemeteries.

1630
01:17:51,395 --> 01:17:53,845
What we do allow is the day of the election.

1631
01:17:53,905 --> 01:17:55,405
We really tend to look the other way.

1632
01:17:56,585 --> 01:17:57,925
All the way I've done it myself,

1633
01:17:58,065 --> 01:18:00,605
all the way up Auditorium Hill on city property.

1634
01:18:00,935 --> 01:18:02,885
There, there are signs and that's okay.

1635
01:18:03,065 --> 01:18:06,565
So we sort of say to the candidates on election day

1636
01:18:06,625 --> 01:18:09,045
or on primary day, have at it.

1637
01:18:09,265 --> 01:18:11,765
But please, when the polls close, if you could get them out

1638
01:18:11,765 --> 01:18:13,685
of there by nine o'clock or so,

1639
01:18:14,425 --> 01:18:16,645
or early the next morning, that would be,

1640
01:18:17,395 --> 01:18:18,605
that would be really appreciated.

1641
01:18:19,265 --> 01:18:22,005
And speaking of appreciated, national Night Out,

1642
01:18:22,225 --> 01:18:23,805
it was wonderful to go there

1643
01:18:23,945 --> 01:18:27,885
and see so many younger officers who were there,

1644
01:18:28,475 --> 01:18:30,285
firemen and police officers,

1645
01:18:30,305 --> 01:18:33,405
and just to be able to shake their hands and say thank you

1646
01:18:33,405 --> 01:18:35,605
because I, I, I don't say it enough.

1647
01:18:36,025 --> 01:18:38,445
And it was nice to see them all in one spot

1648
01:18:38,825 --> 01:18:40,765
and just be able to shake their hand

1649
01:18:40,825 --> 01:18:43,285
and say thanks for everything that you do here in our city.

1650
01:18:43,785 --> 01:18:45,365
So with that counsel, speaking

1651
01:18:45,365 --> 01:18:46,805
of everything we do here in the city,

1652
01:18:46,985 --> 01:18:48,885
we do need an executive session.

1653
01:18:48,975 --> 01:18:53,765
We're going to be discussing legal Ms. Doz and Mr. Baker.

1654
01:18:53,945 --> 01:18:55,605
If you wouldn't mind attending, that would be great.

1655
01:18:55,605 --> 01:18:56,845
If you're inclined, you don't have to,

1656
01:18:56,985 --> 01:18:58,805
but if you don't mind, that would be great.

1657
01:18:58,985 --> 01:19:02,005
So motion for findings would be in order. So moved.

1658
01:19:02,375 --> 01:19:05,125
Thank you. And moved and seconded. Any discussion?

1659
01:19:05,315 --> 01:19:08,125
Hearing none. All those in favor? The motion is presented.

1660
01:19:08,125 --> 01:19:11,165
Please signify by saying aye a Aye. And those opposed?

1661
01:19:11,165 --> 01:19:13,365
Thank you. And a motion to enter executive session.

1662
01:19:13,415 --> 01:19:16,525
Thank you. Moved and seconded. All those in favor?

1663
01:19:16,545 --> 01:19:19,885
The motion is presented. Please signify by saying Aye. Aye.

1664
01:19:19,985 --> 01:19:22,205
And those opposed? Thank you very much.

1665
01:19:23,255 --> 01:19:26,205
Where do the signs go? Do you keep them? Do the, the what?

1666
01:19:26,345 --> 01:19:27,365
The signs that you take down.

1667
01:19:27,665 --> 01:19:29,885
If Public Works gets 'em, they're down at the garage.

1668
01:19:29,995 --> 01:19:33,085
Like if you go way in back where the saw horses are.

1669
01:33:40,385 --> 01:33:41,415
David, I apologize.

1670
01:33:41,775 --> 01:33:42,775
I should have let you know

1671
01:33:42,775 --> 01:33:44,775
that I did not anticipate any action.

1672
01:33:44,865 --> 01:33:47,535
There will be none. Motion to adjourn.

1673
01:33:47,735 --> 01:33:50,095
Motion to exit executive session would be in order.

1674
01:33:51,515 --> 01:33:54,735
And a second. Thank you. And all those in favor?

1675
01:33:54,735 --> 01:33:57,415
The motion is presented, but please signify by saying Aye.

1676
01:33:57,715 --> 01:34:00,895
Aye. Aye. And those opposed Counsel is in open session.

1677
01:34:00,995 --> 01:34:03,895
And a motion to adjourn would be in order. So moved. Second.

1678
01:34:04,245 --> 01:34:06,015
It's moved and seconded. All those in favor?

1679
01:34:06,035 --> 01:34:09,535
The motion is presented. Please signify by saying Aye. Aye.

1680
01:34:09,635 --> 01:34:14,215
And those opposed? Thank you very much. And we're done. Woo.

1681
01:34:15,035 --> 01:34:15,255
Yay.