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All right, it's six o'clock.

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Call this meeting of the Berry Town Select Board

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for Tuesday, September 8th, 26.

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To order. I'd like to invite all of you to rise

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and join me in saying of the Pledge of Allegiance,

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I pledge allegiance to the flag

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Of the United States of America to the Republic

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for which it stands, unleash under God, indivisible,

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liberty and justice

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For all.

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We say it every time there's a room full. Sure. Sounds good.

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To help us with that. Would look for

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discussion on the agenda.

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I would move to approve the agenda as presented.

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Second, that There was some conversation about the need

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for executive session.

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I don't believe there is a need

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for executive session at this point.

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Willing to make a friendly amendment.

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Sure. I would amend my motion

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to approve the agenda absent the executive

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session. Item 16.

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Second Is that term executive session

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Means we go into a session of discussion that is not

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public record after we make some decision to come out of it

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and announce what the Yeah.

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Often related to personnel or contracts, things like that.

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Legal things that hinder the town if it were public

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information in advance.

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Okay.

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Alright. We have a motion

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and a second as long as there's no other discussion.

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All those in favor say aye.

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Aye. Aye.

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Ock. Aye.

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You guys have it. We'll move on to

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approving the August 25th, 2026 meeting minutes.

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Yeah, I would move to approve the,

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the August 25th, 2026 meeting minutes with minor grammatical

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and spelling corrections as deemed necessary by the clerk.

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I would second that. We have a motion in a

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second there.

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Any discussion? Mr. Chair?

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You, you all set?

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I am good. I did not have anything for Tina this week.

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Thank you. Hearing no discussion.

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All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye.

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Aye. Ms. It improved.

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Someone would like to do announcements.

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Can I do that? Absolutely.

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The first of two sewer installments

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is due on September 15.

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Second installment is due March 15th, 2027.

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All payments must be received

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by the 4:30 PM on the due date.

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Otherwise they'll be considered late.

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This means any payments that arrive by mail

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or placed in the Dropbox after the due date

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and time will not be timely.

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If you have any questions, please feel free

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to contact the town clerk's office at 8 0 2 4 7 9 9 3 9 1.

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Also, the bulk, the full bulk trash collection is scheduled

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for Saturday, September 19th at the Public Works Garage.

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This service is available exclusively

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for Berry Town residence

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and provides an affordable way to dispose of large,

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bulky items that cannot be collected

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during the regular weekly trash pickup

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or placed in trash bags.

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More information on what items can

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and cannot be disposed of along with newly updated rates.

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Please check the August newsletter or visit berry town.org.

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Remember to bring an identification document

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that verifies your residency, such as a tax bill

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or utility bill, as this requirement will

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be strictly enforced.

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Thank you. Tracy, are there any other announcements?

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I have none. Okay.

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I'm guessing that we may have some guests here for something

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that is not on our agenda.

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Who would like to start? First, I would ask that you come up

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to the center table, identify yourself

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and then present us with what you'd like.

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Okay. I'm Laura Burner

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and I want to thank you for the opportunity to come

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and express my concern for the removal

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of the basketball court at the

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Upper Graniteville playground.

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I've lived next to the basketball court for my life,

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my entire life, so I'm very familiar with the activity

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and uses of the playground.

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I think, I think we have

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to be careful when making decisions that affect children.

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And I believe we should make every effort reasonable

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to find resolutions rather than

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accept a loss such as this

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that affected the children so much.

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In the last couple of weeks since the court has been gone,

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I've observed children coming up with basketballs, bikes,

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whatever, for other activities, and I met with a drawn face

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and a open mouth with their surprise that it's not there.

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That feels heavy to me

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because I, in 2000, along with all the other residents,

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you know, we raised money for our playground.

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We wanted to keep it going.

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We, we feel it's a integral part of our community

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to give the children a place to go, a place to exercise,

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a place to socialize, a place to meet friends, go

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with their families, which is so important these days.

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If you look back at the history of the playground,

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it's been there since 66 when the school was relocated from

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there to Berry Town.

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So it's been a part of the neighborhood for a long time.

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There's even people here tonight

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who participated on the basketball court.

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There was a time when there was games every night,

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either baseball or basketball or whatnot.

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Times have changed, you know, the, the court

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and the playground has different uses,

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but there still is a very important,

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it's very important piece to our community.

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And I think since our community has changed, we have a lot

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of people that live in apartments.

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It's not so much of a family community.

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Well, it is a family community,

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but it's not single family houses as much

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as it used to be before.

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There's a lot of people with apartments

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that don't have wands.

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They don't have the access that children should have,

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should have for recreation.

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So basically, I'm here tonight to kind of petition

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you, you all to work with us, the community, to get

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that back there as soon as possible

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because it's definitely a void.

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I've seen it and it's something that I don't want

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to see loss of, and I think it's reasonable.

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I think we, I think there is a resolution

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and there's other people here tonight, so I want them

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to express, you know, their without taking all the time.

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And I'll readdress if need be. Okay, great.

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Thank you.

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If I will say, if everyone is gonna speak, I will ask you

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to try to keep it under three minutes.

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Just if or if,

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and if you're all gonna say the same thing,

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then we'll just assume that you're, if you have two

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or three of you that make your presentation just to,

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otherwise we're here till 10 30 tonight. So Yes,

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I'll keep you here until 11.

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All right, mark Bernie, I'll keep this real brief.

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I Gloria's husband and, and I've lived there since 90, 94

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and we were, we, we did a lot

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of fundraising for that playground.

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The wilds helped, long champs helped, helped a lot.

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Melissa and them helped, you know, we, we, we put a lot

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of work into that playground and it's a shame what was done

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and how it was done.

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And I echo everything Lori says,

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and I just think that we need to come to resolution,

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like she said, and come with a way

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to put the playground back to the way it was

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and get a court put back in there.

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What's the, what's the shame of it? Just that it's gone or

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No, how it was done.

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How 'cause 'cause there was no reason to re remove

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that, that court.

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Okay. There was no reason for it at all.

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I've looked at all the other courts

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and they're all in about the same condition.

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It was just all of a sudden we came home one day,

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they just took it out

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and it was gone without looking into

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other options to keep it there.

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And that's, that's my concern, is

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that it wasn't looked into properly.

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And, and, and the public, we weren't informed properly.

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I know they had, you know, quick meetings here and there,

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but people don't look, look at the newspaper.

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I don't believe it's on the agenda or

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otherwise we would've been there.

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And that's, that's on us. Yeah,

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Well I was that one,

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Huh?

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Oh yeah, Laura was at the one

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and she was the one that showed up after the survey

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and then, you know, the survey they did.

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We won't even get into that tonight

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until we, we have more time.

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But I just, I just think that we need to come together and,

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and get that court put back in there.

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Thank you.

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My name's Melissa Deitz

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and I'm here at the basketball court.

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Also, just wanted to put into

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the thoughtful consideration that it is one

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of the lower income, it's the lowest income village of all

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of the villages and many times

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low income children.

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That's all they've got is their playground.

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And I grew up in Webster, bill

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and then I brought my daughter up in Graniteville

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and we have constantly used the playground

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and the basketball court for all manner of things.

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And now my grandchildren also live with me

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and they have been using it

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and they have met friends up there

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and the, the children have come

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to my house now to play

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because there's no playground, there's no basketball court

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for them to buzz around on.

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And also please consider we have no sidewalks.

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There's no other really safe place for children

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to ride their bikes.

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And also our geographic location would make it very

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difficult for children to access other playgrounds around us

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because we are on top of a hill.

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And it would be difficult for parents to

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have such a long distance

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and difficult physically distance for the kids to travel

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that are old enough to be by themselves.

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Great. So thank you for considerations. Thank you. You.

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I will. Thank you.

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Hi, my name is Kara Wild

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and I brought my grandson Cameron.

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Yep. Splits 50 50 time at our home.

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And he was unaware that the basketball court was taken out.

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He was putting his shoes on this past weekend ready to go up

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and my husband had to tell him,

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sorry Cam, you can't go up there.

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It was like, why not? What did I do wrong? Well, it's gone.

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Why? We don't really know why.

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So if you would like somebody to, a testimonial

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as to is it feasible to walk to Westerville?

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Is it feasible to walk to East Ferry?

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Is it feasible to walk to lower Graniteville

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for a 15-year-old, 11-year-old, 10-year-old, 7-year-old?

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No it's not. And these kids were using it this year

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and he went up almost every day, two or three times a day.

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Yes he did. To be with these new, to be

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with her grandchildren and the

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other kids in the neighborhood.

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And we do have a lower income,

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we do have people that are moving in, moving out.

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So the dynamic's always changing.

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So to say that there's no kids up there

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is just, it's wrong.

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It's wrong. There are kids up there,

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there are kids up there constantly.

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Whoever made that statement

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or thinks that that is such

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that they're just, they're wrong.

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We use it, we love it and we'd like it back.

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Is there anyone else?

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I'd like to make a statement from here.

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I think I'm gonna get through sentimental.

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I got girls in this, in this room that I played sports

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with back in sixties and seventies and eighties.

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The very hard girls I grew up here.

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My dad was Aquaman for 35 years.

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This is where I lived, this is where I grew up.

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My whole family has grown up here.

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It's impacted me greatly.

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Like, And

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I think this is, times have changed, this isn't the sixties,

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this is in the seventies, this is in the eighties.

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We didn't have cell phones, we didn't have cell use.

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You're seeing a lot of kids not partake.

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And I think this would help be helpful

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to keep them physically engaged

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and to have a better opportunity, a better court

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and a better, I've played a lot of sports up there.

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I've done a lot up there in those playgrounds.

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Back then we used to have 20, 25 kids come together.

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The Bennetts, the Longships, the Js, the Dunhams,

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I can go on and on.

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You're talking to somebody that's been here since 67.

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I've had five generation, four generations

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of the wilds that have lived in this.

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My dad's 35 years as a quarry worker.

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Her dad is a quarry worker. She's been married to me.

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Well thank God she stuck with for 40 years.

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And all of it has been in Graniteville.

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And it's like, I'm gonna get, I'm gonna get

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to sentimental so I'm gonna stop there.

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And bottom line guys, it's a safety thing.

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It's a safety thing. We just had a police officer stop

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and had to tell a child, you can't be in the road.

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You can't be doing this.

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The cars come flying off that hill,

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as the police will attest to.

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And it's a scary thing. It's a scary thing.

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Somebody's gonna get, get hurt.

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At least we, they could say, look,

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you need to go up to the playground.

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Go play up there. It's safe, it's surrounded by the trees.

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There's no worries there.

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But it really is bottom line,

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a safety issue for our children.

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I think I could, I don't know if you mind if I chime in.

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I think I can place some concerns

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and the fact that nobody is on this board

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or the recreation board, to my knowledge at least is

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interested in you speak up again.

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Yeah. Nobody is interested in closing down the playground.

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The, the situation that arose,

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at least from my recollection, was

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that the court itself was in native repair,

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pretty si significant repair

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because you can't have a bunch of cracks in the court.

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You can't have kids running around,

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twisting ankles, everything else.

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That repair bill came in somewhere.

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Guy, correct me if I'm wrong, I believe $50,000.

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So looking at that cost allotment

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and the town wide trend of basketball courts having

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seemingly at least anecdotal, lower usage over the years,

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it seemed a lot more prudent to, if we're gonna spend

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that kinda money, maybe a basketball

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court's not the best thing to use.

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You know, there's a lot of things that

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for that could be in place.

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You know, volleyball courts similar

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to the one that set up at the rec field.

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You know, I had thrown out tetherball

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and s other, you know, thing that could provide engagement

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for children and people in the neighborhood without it

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necessarily being the quote unquote basketball court.

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That being said, obviously there is some attachment

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to the, the court itself.

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I'd love Cameron, if, if it's okay to, for him to speak,

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I'd love to get your take on the use of the court, how,

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and maybe the use of the court outside of

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purely basketball

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because there, there might be alternatives to, you know,

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if kids are really interested in riding their bikes

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around the court, maybe we don't need the basketball court

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per se, but is there a, a mechanism

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or an alternative or, you know what I mean?

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Like if you had your cost is not a factor and you, you can,

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I don't know, maybe at least just volleyball

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and if not volleyball, then like just basketball.

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Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty much it. Yeah.

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And a lot of your friends enjoyed primarily

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basketball or Yeah. Yeah.

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Is met new friends up there. Yeah, I've been

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Japan. My guess. And

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That's another thing French established,

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What's been happening is he's been going up

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my dad, he's all by himself.

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He goes up, the ball starts bouncing.

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You guys know how loud the basketball bounces. Yeah.

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And then before you know it, there's a group of kids. Yep.

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And getting that interactive at this time of this time

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and where we live and how we live.

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It's good for these kids to get out and do something.

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I got out and played all the, a good part

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of the girls, a couple of girls here.

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And we had fun. We had fun. We were interactive.

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There was no cell phones.

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There was no com computer to get on.

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And we, we interacted with each other

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and that interactive person to person can call it

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really established good friendships down the line.

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That's, and that's not happening.

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Also a great place for kids to learn to ride a bike.

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Little ones. So I'm not talking about big kids

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going up and spinning around.

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I'm talking about little

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children learning how to ride a bike.

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Rollerblading. We've really enjoyed that.

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Skate bike, skateboarding and skateboarding.

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Learning how to skateboard. Yeah. Skateboarding. Yeah.

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May I, yeah, go ahead.

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Well, I just wanted to speak up a little bit

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for some people that aren't here that, you know,

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I see we do have teenage boys that come up

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and use the court quite often.

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I've, I I know for a fact actually the night

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of the ice cream social, there was actually some kids,

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a a couple of boys playing on the court.

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It is used, it is used for basketball and

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although there are other activities, you know, it's,

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it's again, like I said, it's an integral part

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of the playground that offers many uses.

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I also wanted to just let you know that I've

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reached out a little bit

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to find out like cost, et cetera.

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I gotta be honest, I didn't get the same cost

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as the $50,000 that I heard.

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I think there's a confusion in in what type

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of basketball court needs to be up there.

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This isn't like an NBA official basketball court.

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This is a playground basketball

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and like the one at East Berry. I, yeah, I have

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The clay court.

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The clay court would be a a a a good, I think way

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to go Clay court wouldn't be that bad either.

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Be more cost effecti more.

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I've actually reached out a little bit.

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I'm waiting for some replies on a couple of people

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for donations of materials.

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I'm hopeful. We'll see.

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I haven't heard yet with the, the holiday weekend.

405
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I haven't heard our, I think our community is,

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is really ready to be engaged.

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We'd like to be engaged.

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I know that, you know, this survey was put out.

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That may have been a start,

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but I, you know, that's informational.

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You get a lot of information with from

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that's gathering data, et cetera.

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But it certainly can't be the end result.

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And we're just hoping,

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I think the basketball court needs to be put back.

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Like I said, I've had people come knocking on my door.

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I live next door. And I think

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because also that, you know, I was heavily involved with,

419
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you know, raising the money previously.

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A lot of people remember me

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and they come knocking on the door

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and I haven't heard anybody say

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that they want it used for a different use.

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Is it used for other uses? Yes.

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But it is definitely still used for basketball

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and I think it'd be a shame to take that away.

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I think it offers a variety of ages to be able to, you know,

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get there and it's, I think we need

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to come up with a resolution.

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And I think you'll, you're hearing here tonight

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that there's definitely people in the community

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who are willing to be engaged.

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I certainly am. And so, you know, that's why I'm just here

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petitioning you guys to work with us here soon.

435
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I'm 65 years old. I'll volunteer to go up there and help.

436
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I got two things to say.

437
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A lot of upper greenville's getting neglected

438
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and we're getting put on the back seat.

439
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It's becoming really a bad spot.

440
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We're on the corner where I live. It's a joke down there.

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People raff. It's like we have transients moving in.

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We got places that are dilapidated

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and the town's letting it happen.

444
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And what do we do about that?

445
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And it seems like nobody cares.

446
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And it's just getting worse on

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that corner on from Cogswell onto Main Street.

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And Cameron, how did that make you feel when you

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see the, the court?

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When we I brought you up ground at me. Surprised. Surprised.

451
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And were you bumed, were you saddened?

452
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I, that's all I really wanna say. Yeah, I was. Okay,

453
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I'll take just a minute.

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I'll take some of their time. Short one.

455
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Yeah. So, so you brought up the,

456
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the it was in disarray couldn't be fixed

457
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basically, is what you're saying? No,

458
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I'm not saying it.

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It was the, the, the cost to fix it.

460
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Well no, that wasn't the cost to fix it.

461
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The cost that you were quoted was

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to replace the whole thing and dig everything up.

463
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It didn't need that. The sub base was, it didn't need that.

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Yeah, it didn't need that.

465
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I went around to the other pre playgrounds.

466
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Ours wasn't the worst playground.

467
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Ours wasn't the worst basketball court.

468
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There's other basketball courts with cracks like ours had

469
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with grass going at 'em with divots

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that go down the whole length of the court,

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which you could twist your ankles

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that are over an inch deep.

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They're all getting resurfaced.

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One two of 'em got resurfaced this year.

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All it had to be done in our court was fix the one dividend

476
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in one corner, seal the cracks, resurface it.

477
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You would've been all set, would've been a lot cheaper than

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to tear it down and replace it.

479
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That's all I have. I'm gonna

480
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Give the recreation director an opportunity to, to reply.

481
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I know you've, you've had

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conversations with some of these folks. Guys,

483
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You don't know me.

484
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I'm Guy Norwood and we did look at

485
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that when we put out the survey in November.

486
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It would've been great to have this kind of engagement

487
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'cause we didn't get any

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responses when we sent out the survey.

489
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I didn't get a survey. Well, we sent it out to 90 residents

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and a 500 foot radius of the playground.

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So if you were outside that you didn't get one

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right off of it. So we

493
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500 Foot.

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Anyway. So we, we, we sent that out.

495
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But when we looked at that court, it was the worst court

496
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as far as condition.

497
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We assessed all of 'em. That was the first one.

498
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It was on the list as a priority.

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'cause they did, the subbase was failing.

500
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So we contacted Vermont Tennis Court resurfacing

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who've done a couple of our courts.

502
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They come up, they came up and said, we can't do this.

503
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It's failing too bad.

504
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He said it's just gonna continue to get worse

505
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because that depression fills with water.

506
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The water leaches through the cracks under the base

507
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and with Vermont heaves, that's what breaks the,

508
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the pavement, the sub-base under there was

509
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what was incorrect.

510
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And when we pulled it up, we noticed

511
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that it wasn't compact in material.

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So when it was put in, Lori,

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you said it was 20 years ago or so? Oh no,

514
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1960.

515
00:24:25,375 --> 00:24:26,385
Okay. So, so

516
00:24:26,545 --> 00:24:28,545
whenever they did it, they just didn't compact.

517
00:24:28,565 --> 00:24:30,865
It wasn't the right material and it wasn't compacted.

518
00:24:30,965 --> 00:24:32,985
So it would've failed again with any kind

519
00:24:32,985 --> 00:24:34,345
of repair we had done on it.

520
00:24:34,725 --> 00:24:37,105
So we're looking the best use of the pound,

521
00:24:37,125 --> 00:24:38,345
you know, taxpayer dollars.

522
00:24:38,485 --> 00:24:40,945
And if we're gonna be repairing that thing every two years

523
00:24:40,975 --> 00:24:43,025
with extensive repairs, it wouldn't be worth it.

524
00:24:43,685 --> 00:24:47,425
So regardless of what we're gonna do with

525
00:24:47,425 --> 00:24:50,065
that place up there, it had to come out anyway.

526
00:24:50,125 --> 00:24:53,145
So if we're gonna be replacing the court, it would've had

527
00:24:53,145 --> 00:24:55,505
to come out anyway for a new sub base and redo it.

528
00:24:55,645 --> 00:24:56,825
So we could do it with clay,

529
00:24:57,085 --> 00:24:58,625
we could do it with another court.

530
00:24:58,645 --> 00:25:01,225
But it is gonna be in the $50,000 range.

531
00:25:01,375 --> 00:25:04,305
When you talk about pavement, the new nets, the goals.

532
00:25:04,605 --> 00:25:06,025
And if you can do, you can do

533
00:25:06,265 --> 00:25:07,505
fundraising and get a better price.

534
00:25:07,745 --> 00:25:10,585
I, I'm all for it. But out of the three quotes I got,

535
00:25:10,585 --> 00:25:12,385
that was the aggregate average. So,

536
00:25:12,575 --> 00:25:16,895
Well I, I wish we would've got that response before. Now

537
00:25:17,135 --> 00:25:18,135
I, and I agree.

538
00:25:18,135 --> 00:25:19,775
I wish I had gotten this response when we started this

539
00:25:19,775 --> 00:25:20,855
process last November.

540
00:25:21,035 --> 00:25:22,215
So that's kind of where we're at.

541
00:25:22,435 --> 00:25:24,255
And you came, you came to the rec board meeting. Yes.

542
00:25:24,255 --> 00:25:25,535
So I, and I do appreciate that

543
00:25:25,535 --> 00:25:26,615
I did the survey also.

544
00:25:26,925 --> 00:25:29,095
Sure. I have actually heard from other people

545
00:25:29,195 --> 00:25:32,455
who did return their survey and why they weren't received.

546
00:25:32,535 --> 00:25:36,175
I don't know. I know it's hard now with those little codes.

547
00:25:36,755 --> 00:25:39,855
I'm not a used a code. I'm not one of those type of people.

548
00:25:39,975 --> 00:25:42,615
I don't like using those. I hand mine in whether

549
00:25:42,615 --> 00:25:43,775
or not that was an issue.

550
00:25:43,935 --> 00:25:46,455
I don't know. I know we did have an issue with that

551
00:25:47,685 --> 00:25:49,375
when we did a survey with a committee

552
00:25:49,405 --> 00:25:52,415
that I was on the town previously, a lot

553
00:25:52,415 --> 00:25:54,895
of people complained that their, their responses were

554
00:25:55,155 --> 00:25:56,175
The last ice cream social.

555
00:25:56,275 --> 00:25:58,455
We gave out a survey last year,

556
00:25:58,795 --> 00:26:00,095
not this year, the year before.

557
00:26:00,155 --> 00:26:02,295
And we were at, we asked the same question that was on

558
00:26:02,295 --> 00:26:03,815
that survey that we sent out to everybody.

559
00:26:03,815 --> 00:26:06,295
What would you like to see? We got roller coasters

560
00:26:06,295 --> 00:26:08,535
and ice skating rinks and everything else in there.

561
00:26:09,035 --> 00:26:11,535
So that was all on the survey. All of the ideas

562
00:26:11,565 --> 00:26:13,135
that the residents had come up with.

563
00:26:13,715 --> 00:26:15,815
And then the last three questions, you know, what,

564
00:26:15,815 --> 00:26:17,335
what would you like to see the court done?

565
00:26:17,525 --> 00:26:20,975
Replace it, remove it, or do something else with it?

566
00:26:22,575 --> 00:26:25,615
I just think I did the last, I know you guys have

567
00:26:25,615 --> 00:26:28,895
to move on, but I will say I was present when the inspection

568
00:26:28,915 --> 00:26:32,615
was done with Vermont Leagues and cities, towns 2024.

569
00:26:34,805 --> 00:26:37,625
And I did follow up with the person that was there

570
00:26:38,125 --> 00:26:42,765
and he helped me understand what their, you know,

571
00:26:43,285 --> 00:26:45,165
position is and this and why they do these

572
00:26:45,165 --> 00:26:46,245
inspections and stuff.

573
00:26:47,845 --> 00:26:49,645
I did receive the report from Chris.

574
00:26:50,125 --> 00:26:51,205
I requested the report,

575
00:26:51,565 --> 00:26:54,045
although they said they could send it to me too,

576
00:26:54,105 --> 00:26:55,285
but I obviously didn't.

577
00:26:55,505 --> 00:26:59,685
It was a low risk and I, I think it was, you know, compared

578
00:26:59,685 --> 00:27:01,645
to the mulch, which was medium risk

579
00:27:02,625 --> 00:27:05,685
was other things at the court up at the playground

580
00:27:05,685 --> 00:27:07,965
that were medium risk, that were taken care of.

581
00:27:08,765 --> 00:27:11,045
I just think it is really, really too bad that

582
00:27:11,045 --> 00:27:13,685
that couldn't have stayed there for the kids

583
00:27:13,745 --> 00:27:15,245
to use at a low risk

584
00:27:16,735 --> 00:27:18,885
Until we, Until we, we could have done something.

585
00:27:18,885 --> 00:27:21,005
We, we addressed all of the issues on that

586
00:27:21,025 --> 00:27:22,365
and I agree it was a low risk,

587
00:27:22,385 --> 00:27:24,845
but we addressed all of the issues that were flagged on

588
00:27:24,845 --> 00:27:27,845
that report and had to, you know, take care of them.

589
00:27:28,225 --> 00:27:30,565
And the only way to to, to take care of that is,

590
00:27:30,565 --> 00:27:32,685
as I just mentioned, was replacing that.

591
00:27:33,245 --> 00:27:34,605
Removing it and redoing it. And sir,

592
00:27:34,625 --> 00:27:35,725
So where are you from?

593
00:27:36,775 --> 00:27:38,335
I live in East Bury. You do? I do.

594
00:27:38,335 --> 00:27:39,855
That's where me and my wife grew up

595
00:27:40,175 --> 00:27:42,495
because our parents got divorced and we had a really nice

596
00:27:42,495 --> 00:27:45,015
basketball outside of our, where I lived right outside.

597
00:27:45,065 --> 00:27:46,735
Right outside literally where I lived

598
00:27:47,475 --> 00:27:49,535
and out from Pleasant Street down there. We've

599
00:27:49,535 --> 00:27:51,895
Got, we've got six basketball courts in the town. I

600
00:27:51,895 --> 00:27:54,255
Know sentimentality is not gonna buy a brand new court

601
00:27:54,795 --> 00:27:57,895
at the price your but sentimentality and,

602
00:27:58,115 --> 00:27:59,975
and the time I've spent in Graniteville

603
00:28:00,435 --> 00:28:03,015
and all the good, good times that I've had,

604
00:28:03,085 --> 00:28:05,015
I've had numerous good times.

605
00:28:05,155 --> 00:28:08,175
But this is, this is just, I can't believe we're,

606
00:28:08,175 --> 00:28:09,775
we're getting put on the back burner.

607
00:28:10,295 --> 00:28:12,215
'cause upper gran ball's getting neglected

608
00:28:12,435 --> 00:28:14,095
and we're getting put, I,

609
00:28:14,215 --> 00:28:16,375
I don't, I don't see it that way. I don't look at

610
00:28:16,475 --> 00:28:17,935
You wanna bring, if you have,

611
00:28:17,995 --> 00:28:19,175
you've said that a couple of times.

612
00:28:19,515 --> 00:28:20,615
It is. If you, if

613
00:28:20,615 --> 00:28:22,735
You want take a drive a Minute.

614
00:28:22,735 --> 00:28:23,895
Wait a minute. We're discussing,

615
00:28:23,895 --> 00:28:25,455
we're discussing the basketball court tonight.

616
00:28:25,515 --> 00:28:27,855
Yes. Yes. My what I was gonna say is if you wanted

617
00:28:27,855 --> 00:28:29,455
to bring a list of, of things

618
00:28:29,455 --> 00:28:32,015
that you feel are being neglected there, you bring,

619
00:28:32,115 --> 00:28:34,215
you bring them to the manager, you'll bring 'em

620
00:28:34,215 --> 00:28:35,215
before the select board

621
00:28:35,595 --> 00:28:37,175
and we'll have a conversation about it.

622
00:28:37,475 --> 00:28:39,455
But we don't have time to discuss that tonight.

623
00:28:40,535 --> 00:28:43,495
I think we understand exactly

624
00:28:43,495 --> 00:28:44,735
where all of you are coming from.

625
00:28:45,245 --> 00:28:49,535
Okay. And we will have a further conversation about it.

626
00:28:50,255 --> 00:28:52,455
I feel like the director

627
00:28:53,135 --> 00:28:55,415
and the board did their due diligence

628
00:28:56,555 --> 00:29:00,575
and I will apologize that it was a surprise to you,

629
00:29:00,915 --> 00:29:01,975
but it was warned.

630
00:29:02,755 --> 00:29:04,815
We had discussions about it at the select board level.

631
00:29:05,675 --> 00:29:09,255
So we need to talk about what to do. Moving on.

632
00:29:10,375 --> 00:29:12,575
I will tell you that we will do our best

633
00:29:13,395 --> 00:29:14,895
to get word out when it,

634
00:29:14,895 --> 00:29:16,415
we're gonna have conversations about it

635
00:29:16,415 --> 00:29:18,575
and when the, the rec board is gonna have conversations

636
00:29:18,575 --> 00:29:19,735
about what to do with that.

637
00:29:20,475 --> 00:29:24,675
And I don't think there is a plan as of yet. Guy, sir. Okay.

638
00:29:25,295 --> 00:29:29,875
So there's time. So we can start looking forward and,

639
00:29:30,455 --> 00:29:32,035
and instead of looking backwards.

640
00:29:32,265 --> 00:29:33,915
Okay. Okay. One more thing. I just

641
00:29:33,915 --> 00:29:36,715
Was curious, how many quotes did were,

642
00:29:37,415 --> 00:29:38,555
how many quotes were gotten?

643
00:29:38,765 --> 00:29:40,715
Three. I I get, I get three verbal

644
00:29:41,125 --> 00:29:43,445
Estimates from contractors to replace the court and

645
00:29:43,445 --> 00:29:44,645
They were all $50,000.

646
00:29:44,645 --> 00:29:46,165
They were between 45 and 70.

647
00:29:47,265 --> 00:29:51,605
And that was, thank you all for your passion.

648
00:29:51,735 --> 00:29:53,285
Thank you all for being residents

649
00:29:53,285 --> 00:29:55,045
and thank you for showing up tonight. Thank you.

650
00:29:55,055 --> 00:29:57,045
Truly. And I would just challenge everyone too.

651
00:29:57,125 --> 00:29:59,045
I mean if there's alternative uses that fit

652
00:29:59,045 --> 00:30:01,085
that neighborhood that benefit the children

653
00:30:01,225 --> 00:30:04,725
and benefit you personally out, you know, think outside the,

654
00:30:04,945 --> 00:30:06,485
the scope of just a basketball court.

655
00:30:06,485 --> 00:30:09,085
Maybe there's the things that the can

656
00:30:09,085 --> 00:30:10,925
You some portable basketball.

657
00:30:11,965 --> 00:30:12,965
Portable basketball.

658
00:30:13,935 --> 00:30:16,795
Buy some of those. Get 'em up to Walmart for 200.

659
00:30:17,055 --> 00:30:20,995
Oh, the the rolling ones. Yeah. Why not?

660
00:30:21,295 --> 00:30:22,315
That's about All we get.

661
00:30:22,315 --> 00:30:23,715
We'll probably get, you know,

662
00:30:23,715 --> 00:30:26,395
and that's, I think Lori made a good point about, you know,

663
00:30:26,395 --> 00:30:31,075
we don't need a full regulation spec basketball court.

664
00:30:31,255 --> 00:30:33,275
Are we looking for a a, you know, a one

665
00:30:34,255 --> 00:30:35,875
one shot basket? Sorry.

666
00:30:36,495 --> 00:30:40,615
So I'm, I'm Maggie. I grew up up, right? We always played.

667
00:30:40,995 --> 00:30:42,615
It does need to be basketball in my opinion.

668
00:30:42,765 --> 00:30:45,335
It's gotta be basketball. Like not, maybe not full court.

669
00:30:45,575 --> 00:30:46,535
'cause there was a long time when we

670
00:30:46,535 --> 00:30:47,535
were kids, there was only one hoop.

671
00:30:47,685 --> 00:30:48,695
That was plenty fine.

672
00:30:49,075 --> 00:30:50,855
But it needs to be something that

673
00:30:51,435 --> 00:30:53,655
the older kids can do while the little ones play.

674
00:30:53,845 --> 00:30:55,015
That was always like what we did.

675
00:30:55,015 --> 00:30:56,775
It was like big kids go up,

676
00:30:56,775 --> 00:30:58,055
little kids play on the, the equipment.

677
00:30:58,055 --> 00:31:02,525
That equipment is very like low age range and it's great.

678
00:31:02,825 --> 00:31:04,645
I'm not complaining about it, but it's very low age range,

679
00:31:04,825 --> 00:31:07,485
low, you know what I mean? Thank you.

680
00:31:07,755 --> 00:31:08,755
Younger Children.

681
00:31:08,835 --> 00:31:11,125
Yeah. So it needs to be something that's more accessible

682
00:31:11,125 --> 00:31:12,285
for the older ones that safe

683
00:31:12,345 --> 00:31:15,725
and that, you know, as the comments of keeping kids

684
00:31:15,725 --> 00:31:16,765
outside and being active.

685
00:31:16,765 --> 00:31:19,045
That is crucial. Like as an educator, that is

686
00:31:19,045 --> 00:31:20,085
what we are pushing right now.

687
00:31:20,545 --> 00:31:23,525
And the safety is a huge aspect of it too.

688
00:31:24,085 --> 00:31:25,365
I don't wanna go visit my parents

689
00:31:25,545 --> 00:31:28,405
and be worried about seeing kids playing in the street on

690
00:31:28,405 --> 00:31:30,045
that busy, terrifying road

691
00:31:30,045 --> 00:31:31,685
where we've had high speed chases.

692
00:31:31,915 --> 00:31:35,085
It's, you know, it, I would hate to see something happen.

693
00:31:35,155 --> 00:31:36,165
I've got so many nieces

694
00:31:36,165 --> 00:31:38,805
and nephews that she'd go up there every single Sunday.

695
00:31:39,265 --> 00:31:41,165
So it'd be cool to see something. I agree the price,

696
00:31:41,465 --> 00:31:43,365
but it needs to be basketball, I think. Okay.

697
00:31:43,455 --> 00:31:44,965
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you all.

698
00:31:44,965 --> 00:31:47,205
Lemme just point out, Chris, you've got my info.

699
00:31:48,165 --> 00:31:50,085
I certainly can be a contact person.

700
00:31:50,645 --> 00:31:52,405
I have expressed many,

701
00:31:52,405 --> 00:31:54,965
many times my vested interest in that playground.

702
00:31:55,765 --> 00:31:59,245
I mentioned it at the meeting to be contacted.

703
00:31:59,245 --> 00:32:04,155
Unfortunately I wasn't, I got over it. That's why I'm here.

704
00:32:04,735 --> 00:32:05,875
We just need to work together.

705
00:32:05,975 --> 00:32:08,715
But I, I do wanna continue this conversation

706
00:32:08,715 --> 00:32:11,915
because like I said, I have reached out already,

707
00:32:12,735 --> 00:32:15,715
so if there is some way that I can get materials or,

708
00:32:15,935 --> 00:32:18,755
or whatever, I'm gonna be right on you guys.

709
00:32:19,725 --> 00:32:21,675
Thank you Lori. All I'd be willing to do

710
00:32:21,875 --> 00:32:22,875
Fundraising.

711
00:32:22,875 --> 00:32:24,675
Anybody, if anybody did not sign in when they came,

712
00:32:24,675 --> 00:32:26,275
would you please sign in on your way out

713
00:32:26,575 --> 00:32:28,235
so we have record of everybody.

714
00:32:29,715 --> 00:32:32,315
Bob, thank you. Thank you.

715
00:32:35,695 --> 00:32:38,235
Hey Bob, this is Carol Hebert, just Chi in Carol.

716
00:32:39,065 --> 00:32:40,765
Hey, I, I wanted to thank everybody for coming.

717
00:32:40,845 --> 00:32:43,125
I thought that was terrific discussion

718
00:32:43,665 --> 00:32:45,765
and if we could get their contact info,

719
00:32:45,765 --> 00:32:47,525
the rec board is more than happy to work with them.

720
00:32:48,395 --> 00:32:50,085
Okay. Thank you very much.

721
00:32:53,545 --> 00:32:57,235
You can data mine the sign in sheet if, just

722
00:32:57,235 --> 00:32:59,235
for when we sent out, like I said, when we sent out,

723
00:32:59,235 --> 00:33:00,955
we didn't get any response from anybody.

724
00:33:00,955 --> 00:33:03,315
So it's great to see the community involvement

725
00:33:03,375 --> 00:33:04,555
and participation.

726
00:33:04,715 --> 00:33:06,795
I just would've been what?

727
00:33:06,795 --> 00:33:08,475
Nicer if it had, they had jumped in

728
00:33:08,475 --> 00:33:09,755
right prior to it and Right.

729
00:33:09,835 --> 00:33:13,515
I mean they feel slightly, but regardless of what we do

730
00:33:13,515 --> 00:33:14,955
with it now, it needed to come out.

731
00:33:15,125 --> 00:33:16,955
Right. And then, I mean it's,

732
00:33:17,025 --> 00:33:18,025
It's scary.

733
00:33:18,095 --> 00:33:19,095
It Needed,

734
00:33:19,235 --> 00:33:20,355
I didn't wanna say it was a scary

735
00:33:20,355 --> 00:33:21,995
basketball 'cause somebody was gonna get hurt.

736
00:33:22,385 --> 00:33:24,475
Yeah. And it wasn't repairable.

737
00:33:24,655 --> 00:33:26,395
It needed to come out and be replaced.

738
00:33:26,415 --> 00:33:27,635
So if it's gonna be replaced,

739
00:33:27,865 --> 00:33:30,075
what we did is the first step in doing that.

740
00:33:30,085 --> 00:33:31,085
Right.

741
00:33:31,805 --> 00:33:33,475
Thank you. A Clean slate.

742
00:33:33,705 --> 00:33:36,355
Yeah. And thank you for what you do. We appreciate it.

743
00:33:38,025 --> 00:33:42,555
Next moving on, I think is,

744
00:33:42,935 --> 00:33:45,675
is number seven just locked in for

745
00:33:47,405 --> 00:33:48,765
EMS director and forth?

746
00:33:48,785 --> 00:33:50,685
Is it just seven and eight? That's him.

747
00:33:50,835 --> 00:33:52,725
They guy I make every meeting he's here.

748
00:33:53,885 --> 00:33:56,125
I, we could probably make

749
00:33:59,315 --> 00:34:01,515
Shockingly yes.

750
00:34:02,695 --> 00:34:05,275
It only works for two hours without the power strip.

751
00:34:07,845 --> 00:34:10,255
Greetings I get

752
00:34:12,905 --> 00:34:13,925
You don't actually have power

753
00:34:13,925 --> 00:34:15,845
Over there, but it looks good right under there.

754
00:34:15,845 --> 00:34:16,485
That's why I brought my,

755
00:34:20,645 --> 00:34:23,145
I'm prepared you doing

756
00:34:23,145 --> 00:34:27,605
for me here. That made it worse.

757
00:34:27,955 --> 00:34:29,805
Make it worse. Anyway,

758
00:34:31,975 --> 00:34:33,525
how's everybody tonight? Great.

759
00:34:34,205 --> 00:34:35,835
About you. I'm fabulous.

760
00:34:37,765 --> 00:34:41,145
So it's been a while since this is my first hot seat since

761
00:34:41,915 --> 00:34:44,265
she's been on the board, so thanks. But you've been

762
00:34:44,265 --> 00:34:45,505
Here like four times since I was

763
00:34:45,505 --> 00:34:46,825
Gonna say Yeah, but not

764
00:34:46,845 --> 00:34:48,345
for my occasional up update. Just

765
00:34:48,345 --> 00:34:49,385
From the back of the room. Yeah,

766
00:34:49,385 --> 00:34:51,545
Yeah, just from off in the withers over there.

767
00:34:52,495 --> 00:34:56,445
Nice to see you up. So

768
00:34:57,905 --> 00:34:59,645
you have my, we'll probably having a chance

769
00:34:59,645 --> 00:35:01,085
to look out over too much, but we'll go over it.

770
00:35:02,805 --> 00:35:05,375
Overall, EMS department's running pretty well.

771
00:35:07,895 --> 00:35:11,195
We've leveled off our climb a little bit.

772
00:35:11,255 --> 00:35:14,155
So right now we're approximately a 4% increase in fall

773
00:35:14,155 --> 00:35:18,005
volume over last year at the same time.

774
00:35:19,595 --> 00:35:22,815
So that's good. It's not, it's a manageable increase.

775
00:35:24,585 --> 00:35:26,835
Recruitment and retention remains one

776
00:35:26,835 --> 00:35:28,235
of the significant strengths for our organization.

777
00:35:28,765 --> 00:35:30,515
We've maintained a 95% retention

778
00:35:30,545 --> 00:35:31,715
rate over the past three years.

779
00:35:31,735 --> 00:35:35,275
Our full-time staff, which is phenomenal.

780
00:35:35,385 --> 00:35:36,675
It's what training we have to do

781
00:35:37,915 --> 00:35:40,085
more institutional knowledge across the organization.

782
00:35:42,725 --> 00:35:44,355
Staff and ranks remain strong.

783
00:35:44,665 --> 00:35:48,435
Give us flexibility in hiring, give us time

784
00:35:48,435 --> 00:35:50,275
to evaluate potential, you know,

785
00:35:50,275 --> 00:35:52,515
full-time employees if they apply for positions.

786
00:35:53,495 --> 00:35:55,115
So that is all going well.

787
00:35:57,155 --> 00:35:58,935
The type two ambulance we purchased in October,

788
00:35:59,755 --> 00:36:02,055
as you'll see has proven its worth,

789
00:36:02,855 --> 00:36:04,935
we have over 40,000 miles on it currently.

790
00:36:06,265 --> 00:36:07,325
So that's going well.

791
00:36:07,945 --> 00:36:12,195
We had it for 10 months, so it's busy

792
00:36:13,135 --> 00:36:14,755
as we anticipated it would be.

793
00:36:16,015 --> 00:36:19,555
So that's the biggest benefit though, to having that truck

794
00:36:20,095 --> 00:36:23,675
is that 40,000 miles would be on our more expensive fleet

795
00:36:23,865 --> 00:36:26,035
currently if we hadn't purchased it.

796
00:36:26,615 --> 00:36:30,595
So that's, you know, in a, at the rate

797
00:36:30,825 --> 00:36:33,955
that we're using it in a three ish year cycle,

798
00:36:34,575 --> 00:36:37,075
we would've had to have replaced a full-size ambulance

799
00:36:37,145 --> 00:36:38,395
because that 150

800
00:36:38,395 --> 00:36:40,395
to 60,000 miles would be on one of those instead.

801
00:36:41,375 --> 00:36:43,915
So that's all going well.

802
00:36:46,885 --> 00:36:49,015
There's another agenda item, which is

803
00:36:49,535 --> 00:36:51,255
a little bit separate from what I'm about to talk about.

804
00:36:51,315 --> 00:36:54,365
But one of the things that we're working through

805
00:36:57,725 --> 00:36:59,775
with the Vermont Department of Health right now is we have

806
00:36:59,975 --> 00:37:02,495
received notice of intent to fund our

807
00:37:03,825 --> 00:37:05,725
global integrated health program

808
00:37:05,725 --> 00:37:07,525
through the Rural Healthcare Transformation grant

809
00:37:07,625 --> 00:37:09,205
to the tune of three quarters of a million dollars

810
00:37:11,505 --> 00:37:13,795
from November 1st through the end of July.

811
00:37:14,295 --> 00:37:15,315
So that's good news.

812
00:37:17,095 --> 00:37:19,675
The thing we're gonna consider next on the agenda is

813
00:37:20,395 --> 00:37:24,435
short-term agreement with the hospital to fund between

814
00:37:25,255 --> 00:37:27,715
now and the funding of that grant in November.

815
00:37:28,135 --> 00:37:29,475
So we can do that work.

816
00:37:29,815 --> 00:37:33,075
So my simple math puts it at

817
00:37:34,655 --> 00:37:37,195
one for, to run that for 12 months,

818
00:37:37,935 --> 00:37:40,795
It Seven 50 for seven months. Right.

819
00:37:40,975 --> 00:37:44,795
So it will be about a million for a year that

820
00:37:45,145 --> 00:37:47,075
what they did with the Rural Healthcare Transformation funds

821
00:37:47,135 --> 00:37:48,955
is they took five sites throughout Vermont.

822
00:37:49,495 --> 00:37:51,075
We all had to put in money.

823
00:37:51,905 --> 00:37:54,675
Ours was about 948,000 our request.

824
00:37:55,415 --> 00:37:58,435
And they level funded all five sites at 750,000.

825
00:37:58,975 --> 00:38:01,635
So, and then they moved the dates by a couple months

826
00:38:02,175 --> 00:38:03,555
to either offset it

827
00:38:03,555 --> 00:38:05,395
or some, you know, some people put in for 700,

828
00:38:05,395 --> 00:38:06,835
some people were put in for a couple million.

829
00:38:06,855 --> 00:38:08,555
It all depended on their model they were looking at.

830
00:38:09,695 --> 00:38:14,355
So it will, the idea is,

831
00:38:14,615 --> 00:38:16,075
you know, what can we do without amount of money?

832
00:38:16,455 --> 00:38:18,955
Not that we will under overspend.

833
00:38:18,955 --> 00:38:21,475
You know, we, it's here's what, what can you do

834
00:38:21,475 --> 00:38:22,795
with this kind, you know, with this amount of money

835
00:38:22,795 --> 00:38:24,355
and what kind of an impact can you have?

836
00:38:26,505 --> 00:38:28,485
So we'll rightsize the program for that budget

837
00:38:28,785 --> 00:38:30,165
and, you know,

838
00:38:30,435 --> 00:38:33,325
hopefully catch it all if we don't, we'll hunt.

839
00:38:33,385 --> 00:38:36,725
And, you know, they, they do anticipate funding in year two.

840
00:38:36,945 --> 00:38:37,965
So we'll see how it goes.

841
00:38:41,665 --> 00:38:43,685
Do you want to give a brief overview view of

842
00:38:43,685 --> 00:38:44,765
what that program's gonna be?

843
00:38:44,885 --> 00:38:47,605
I know I interrupted you or do you wanna do that in on the

844
00:38:47,605 --> 00:38:48,965
Next, I figured we'd do it for the,

845
00:38:48,965 --> 00:38:51,045
that's next on the agenda, so thank you.

846
00:38:51,145 --> 00:38:52,965
Yep. I would just have it in my,

847
00:38:54,075 --> 00:38:55,535
my list of things to talk about.

848
00:39:00,775 --> 00:39:02,015
Actually I can just read this section.

849
00:39:02,025 --> 00:39:03,335
We'll kind of give a quick brief over.

850
00:39:03,355 --> 00:39:05,495
So Mobile integrated health re represents an important

851
00:39:05,495 --> 00:39:07,295
expansion of traditional rural VMS.

852
00:39:07,815 --> 00:39:09,335
Instead of interacting with patients only

853
00:39:09,335 --> 00:39:11,575
after an emergency has occurred, our clinicians will be able

854
00:39:11,575 --> 00:39:13,135
to provide proactive coordinated care

855
00:39:13,445 --> 00:39:15,295
that may prevent a patient's condition from

856
00:39:15,495 --> 00:39:16,615
becoming an emergency.

857
00:39:17,085 --> 00:39:19,295
This approach can help reduce avoidable 9 1 1 calls,

858
00:39:19,295 --> 00:39:20,615
emergency department vis visits

859
00:39:20,795 --> 00:39:23,055
and hospital readmissions while improving communication

860
00:39:23,465 --> 00:39:25,055
among patients, primary care providers,

861
00:39:25,055 --> 00:39:26,535
home health agencies, and the hospitals.

862
00:39:27,355 --> 00:39:28,775
The program will not replace primary

863
00:39:28,775 --> 00:39:29,935
care or home health services.

864
00:39:29,935 --> 00:39:32,535
Rather, it'll help bridge gaps in health sy healthcare

865
00:39:32,535 --> 00:39:33,735
systems, particularly

866
00:39:34,475 --> 00:39:36,935
during the vulnerable period following discharge from the

867
00:39:37,095 --> 00:39:37,855
hospital or when other

868
00:39:38,015 --> 00:39:39,135
services are not immediately available.

869
00:39:40,015 --> 00:39:42,715
Our providers are already in the community around the clock

870
00:39:42,715 --> 00:39:44,195
and understand the challenges facing our,

871
00:39:44,195 --> 00:39:45,395
facing our rural population

872
00:39:45,655 --> 00:39:47,075
and have the clinical skills, equipment

873
00:39:47,075 --> 00:39:49,075
and mobility necessary to bring care directly to patients.

874
00:39:49,935 --> 00:39:53,915
So we'll be primarily targeting congestive heart failure,

875
00:39:54,235 --> 00:39:56,395
COPD and total joint replacements

876
00:39:57,055 --> 00:40:00,655
and working with the hospital when we do a total joint

877
00:40:00,655 --> 00:40:02,495
and elective total joint to get the patient outta the

878
00:40:02,615 --> 00:40:04,495
hospital day, you know, day of surgery.

879
00:40:05,445 --> 00:40:09,025
So making sure that they're recovering in rehab

880
00:40:09,025 --> 00:40:12,095
or at home in a safe manner.

881
00:40:12,835 --> 00:40:17,605
So can go over some more of that. On the next one.

882
00:40:18,665 --> 00:40:20,085
We continue to identify new ways

883
00:40:20,085 --> 00:40:21,765
to improve our billing collection efficiency.

884
00:40:23,885 --> 00:40:25,685
Continue to practice of reviewing every patient care report

885
00:40:25,685 --> 00:40:26,725
before it's submitted for billing,

886
00:40:27,205 --> 00:40:28,285
to make sure it's coded appropriately

887
00:40:30,385 --> 00:40:32,485
and make sure we're receiving the revenues that,

888
00:40:32,515 --> 00:40:34,805
that we're entitled to based on the service we provide.

889
00:40:37,645 --> 00:40:40,935
When I compose this, you obviously have it as our ne

890
00:40:40,935 --> 00:40:43,975
as our number nine I believe, but we've currently reviewed

891
00:40:44,035 --> 00:40:45,975
or are reviewing, finished reviewing a three year

892
00:40:46,255 --> 00:40:47,335
contract proposal from our billing company.

893
00:40:50,035 --> 00:40:53,135
So that's coming up to discuss a little later on.

894
00:40:53,485 --> 00:40:54,815
Hard to believe it's been three years.

895
00:40:55,805 --> 00:40:56,855
It's telling me. Yeah,

896
00:41:00,855 --> 00:41:01,985
it's been a, been a ride.

897
00:41:05,325 --> 00:41:07,305
The continued success of RMS department reflects the

898
00:41:07,305 --> 00:41:09,105
commitment of our employees, the unwavering support

899
00:41:09,105 --> 00:41:10,945
of the town, the manager, the board,

900
00:41:11,285 --> 00:41:12,825
and all the departments that support us.

901
00:41:14,105 --> 00:41:18,065
I do want to specifically call out the maintenance shop.

902
00:41:19,575 --> 00:41:20,905
They do a phenomenal job for us.

903
00:41:21,205 --> 00:41:25,085
So, you know, when, I will tell you in

904
00:41:26,845 --> 00:41:30,945
the three years that I've been doing this in this venture

905
00:41:31,095 --> 00:41:34,815
with you all, we have had

906
00:41:36,965 --> 00:41:38,455
very few mechanical issues.

907
00:41:38,955 --> 00:41:42,635
In fact, we've been called on, on multiple occasions by

908
00:41:43,635 --> 00:41:45,235
multiple services to go

909
00:41:45,235 --> 00:41:46,995
and help them when they have mechanical breakdowns

910
00:41:47,495 --> 00:41:48,555
and transport their patients.

911
00:41:48,615 --> 00:41:51,355
So I just have to say they do a great job for us.

912
00:41:52,745 --> 00:41:55,275
They keep our trucks, you know, in good running order.

913
00:41:55,955 --> 00:41:57,315
They're always on top of the maintenance.

914
00:41:57,315 --> 00:41:58,475
So I want to thank them

915
00:41:59,135 --> 00:42:00,715
and of course the food chief

916
00:42:00,715 --> 00:42:01,955
for doing all of our background checks.

917
00:42:02,215 --> 00:42:06,725
Yes. All right.

918
00:42:06,945 --> 00:42:08,125
That's worthwhile that

919
00:42:08,125 --> 00:42:10,325
because absolutely it's a challenge to do it outside.

920
00:42:12,105 --> 00:42:14,085
So now we'll get into some numbers.

921
00:42:15,895 --> 00:42:18,795
So we added three new full-time positions in July.

922
00:42:18,895 --> 00:42:19,955
All of those are staffed.

923
00:42:21,695 --> 00:42:23,955
We have added five new paramedics

924
00:42:23,955 --> 00:42:25,115
to our staff in the last year.

925
00:42:25,175 --> 00:42:26,955
All of them went through school in the last two years.

926
00:42:26,955 --> 00:42:28,915
They're all now licensed in,

927
00:42:29,095 --> 00:42:30,635
in various stages of the credentialing process.

928
00:42:31,845 --> 00:42:36,375
So that's been a, a rewarding

929
00:42:36,755 --> 00:42:41,415
but heavy lift for our organization to credential

930
00:42:41,415 --> 00:42:43,175
and onboard five brand new paramedics.

931
00:42:43,235 --> 00:42:46,335
But how many paramedics total for us?

932
00:42:48,125 --> 00:42:53,015
Full-time or total? I'll have to look. No, that's okay.

933
00:42:53,015 --> 00:42:56,385
I just within 30, yeah, a a few.

934
00:42:59,905 --> 00:43:01,125
And so now we're beginning

935
00:43:01,265 --> 00:43:03,005
to work on a recertification cycle.

936
00:43:03,145 --> 00:43:05,565
So you know, roughly half of our staff go

937
00:43:05,565 --> 00:43:07,725
through recertification cycle every year.

938
00:43:07,985 --> 00:43:10,805
So it's a two year cycle that will open next month

939
00:43:10,805 --> 00:43:12,045
and be completed by the end of March.

940
00:43:13,765 --> 00:43:16,665
As I said, a seven has been a great addition.

941
00:43:17,065 --> 00:43:21,145
A little over 40,000 miles on it since October, answering

942
00:43:21,955 --> 00:43:24,065
about 450 calls in that time period.

943
00:43:24,865 --> 00:43:26,545
Transports, backup calls, whatever.

944
00:43:27,245 --> 00:43:28,665
Our fleet is in good shape.

945
00:43:28,725 --> 00:43:31,265
As I mentioned, our FY 28 truck is on schedule

946
00:43:31,265 --> 00:43:32,665
for delivery next July.

947
00:43:34,545 --> 00:43:36,605
The SUV should be fully outfitted next week.

948
00:43:36,605 --> 00:43:38,245
The maintenance shop was putting the radio

949
00:43:38,245 --> 00:43:39,645
and siren in it this week.

950
00:43:39,835 --> 00:43:42,005
It's going for lettering on the 15th

951
00:43:43,025 --> 00:43:44,725
and the lights came in today.

952
00:43:44,825 --> 00:43:46,685
So we should have that all done shortly.

953
00:43:49,935 --> 00:43:51,395
Our revenues continue to be strong.

954
00:43:52,265 --> 00:43:53,935
We'll go over projection shortly.

955
00:43:54,635 --> 00:43:56,575
As I said, last update,

956
00:43:56,715 --> 00:43:59,495
and I'll reiterate this, update that QMC

957
00:43:59,495 --> 00:44:02,015
or quick me claims was acquired by digitech, which is a,

958
00:44:02,375 --> 00:44:04,015
a nationwide billing company

959
00:44:04,315 --> 00:44:06,695
and they've proposed a three year contract for you all.

960
00:44:06,955 --> 00:44:09,935
Did your consideration, when did that transition occur?

961
00:44:10,955 --> 00:44:12,895
So it's still happening.

962
00:44:13,335 --> 00:44:15,615
It happened a almost a year ago

963
00:44:15,995 --> 00:44:19,055
and it's still, you know, they're still changing the,

964
00:44:19,395 --> 00:44:22,695
our client success manager just sent me a notification

965
00:44:23,235 --> 00:44:25,855
on Friday to change her email to, so it's continuing,

966
00:44:25,855 --> 00:44:29,535
it was Quick med claims, now it's at Digitech, it's still,

967
00:44:30,215 --> 00:44:32,585
I presume it'll be through

968
00:44:34,425 --> 00:44:36,345
whatever the longest contract they have is

969
00:44:36,345 --> 00:44:37,985
and then they'll make, you know, once

970
00:44:37,985 --> 00:44:39,105
that contract is complete

971
00:44:39,105 --> 00:44:40,145
and they get a new one, then it'll

972
00:44:40,145 --> 00:44:41,665
finalize whatever that transition is

973
00:44:41,885 --> 00:44:43,945
Stitch Tech a publicly traded company?

974
00:44:44,825 --> 00:44:46,805
That's a good question. Curious

975
00:44:47,815 --> 00:44:49,525
Makes A difference whether it's private or public.

976
00:44:51,255 --> 00:44:53,015
I just dunno, Just outta curiosity.

977
00:44:53,425 --> 00:44:55,695
We'll have to, we'll find out. Thank you.

978
00:44:59,905 --> 00:45:01,765
But you haven't seen any changes? Nope.

979
00:45:01,815 --> 00:45:03,405
Other than email addresses.

980
00:45:03,745 --> 00:45:04,965
Yep. Same, same.

981
00:45:04,965 --> 00:45:06,765
Maria Maria, our clients

982
00:45:06,765 --> 00:45:08,605
and sex manager actually worked for Digitech

983
00:45:08,605 --> 00:45:09,645
before she came to Quick Me,

984
00:45:09,645 --> 00:45:11,005
now she's back working for digitech.

985
00:45:11,005 --> 00:45:14,565
So yeah, we haven't, I mean normal staff changes they have,

986
00:45:14,565 --> 00:45:15,885
you know, we even quick me had staff

987
00:45:16,225 --> 00:45:17,685
but nothing, nothing crazy.

988
00:45:22,055 --> 00:45:25,875
So if you're following along on your next page is our

989
00:45:27,205 --> 00:45:28,955
three year call average.

990
00:45:30,495 --> 00:45:34,115
So we, I did live through projected

991
00:45:34,235 --> 00:45:36,035
to be October based on our current numbers.

992
00:45:36,735 --> 00:45:38,395
So like I said, a little bit of an increase

993
00:45:39,195 --> 00:45:41,035
and we project, you know,

994
00:45:41,045 --> 00:45:43,315
about a 400 run increase over the year.

995
00:45:44,705 --> 00:45:48,325
At this point I changed it a little bit

996
00:45:48,325 --> 00:45:50,645
because now that we have five trucks on the road

997
00:45:50,645 --> 00:45:53,045
during the week, breaking it down

998
00:45:53,145 --> 00:45:55,085
by call number was very busy.

999
00:45:55,885 --> 00:45:58,725
I broke it down by percentage of call, percentage of volume

1000
00:45:58,755 --> 00:45:59,845
that those stations answer.

1001
00:46:00,465 --> 00:46:01,525
So our Berlin station,

1002
00:46:01,545 --> 00:46:03,645
as you can see is answering about 31% of our calls.

1003
00:46:03,665 --> 00:46:07,285
Our East Bay station, 28% our Williamstown station, 21%

1004
00:46:07,955 --> 00:46:11,925
Southbury station, about 8% coverage, 9%

1005
00:46:11,985 --> 00:46:14,125
and our, sorry transfer chart 9%

1006
00:46:14,145 --> 00:46:15,165
and 6%

1007
00:46:19,015 --> 00:46:20,915
our revenue projections for this year.

1008
00:46:21,885 --> 00:46:24,895
This includes obviously the town per

1009
00:46:24,895 --> 00:46:26,015
capita rates that are in there.

1010
00:46:26,175 --> 00:46:27,735
I break 'em down, they all come usually,

1011
00:46:27,735 --> 00:46:29,255
or most of 'em come in the first quarter.

1012
00:46:29,255 --> 00:46:31,095
But I break it down throughout the year.

1013
00:46:32,715 --> 00:46:34,935
So we are right now projecting to be

1014
00:46:35,575 --> 00:46:40,175
slightly under our revenue budget by about $20,000.

1015
00:46:40,775 --> 00:46:41,855
A lot of that has to do

1016
00:46:41,885 --> 00:46:43,535
with last year we were a little over,

1017
00:46:43,635 --> 00:46:44,695
but a lot of that has to do

1018
00:46:44,695 --> 00:46:47,815
with our billing rates change July one now

1019
00:46:48,595 --> 00:46:50,535
and a lot of our July

1020
00:46:50,535 --> 00:46:54,135
and August revenue are coming from May and June billing.

1021
00:46:54,635 --> 00:46:57,295
So once we get into September, october,

1022
00:46:57,545 --> 00:46:58,735
we'll be picking up those new

1023
00:46:58,735 --> 00:46:59,975
rates in the new billing cycle.

1024
00:47:00,155 --> 00:47:02,095
So I expect that

1025
00:47:02,115 --> 00:47:03,975
to change in the other direction

1026
00:47:04,435 --> 00:47:05,575
in the next, in the coming months.

1027
00:47:09,895 --> 00:47:12,645
David, your next page is our average

1028
00:47:13,865 --> 00:47:15,605
per trip collection. Yeah,

1029
00:47:16,345 --> 00:47:19,445
I'm sorry, can I back you up for a second?

1030
00:47:19,995 --> 00:47:22,925
Sure. Your note says you're about 7% under expected

1031
00:47:22,965 --> 00:47:25,205
revenues, but it's only 1.3%.

1032
00:47:25,505 --> 00:47:27,245
Am I missing another piece to this?

1033
00:47:28,105 --> 00:47:29,705
No, I think I, I wrote that

1034
00:47:29,705 --> 00:47:31,545
before I added in the per capita rates.

1035
00:47:31,765 --> 00:47:33,265
The per capita collection.

1036
00:47:33,455 --> 00:47:36,825
Okay. So yeah, it's not, it it's not far under.

1037
00:47:37,605 --> 00:47:38,335
Okay, thank you.

1038
00:47:44,645 --> 00:47:46,495
Average per trip collection

1039
00:47:46,855 --> 00:47:48,015
increases year, year over year.

1040
00:47:48,015 --> 00:47:50,855
Which again, we expect Medicare rates go up,

1041
00:47:51,215 --> 00:47:52,935
Medicaid rates go up, our billing rates go up,

1042
00:47:52,935 --> 00:47:55,415
everything goes up, our bills go up, our fuel goes up,

1043
00:47:55,475 --> 00:47:57,015
you know everything cost

1044
00:47:57,015 --> 00:47:58,015
Of running business.

1045
00:47:58,015 --> 00:47:58,915
Yep.

1046
00:48:02,085 --> 00:48:04,555
And then the slide that Bob

1047
00:48:04,575 --> 00:48:07,155
and Todd are most interested in are cost of operations.

1048
00:48:09,615 --> 00:48:12,135
Presumptuous. What's that? Very presumptuous.

1049
00:48:12,135 --> 00:48:13,175
Well you asked me about that.

1050
00:48:17,295 --> 00:48:21,875
So this just shows what our average cost per, so

1051
00:48:23,055 --> 00:48:24,175
I just wanna go over the slide with you

1052
00:48:24,295 --> 00:48:26,255
'cause it could be a little bit confusing if you glance over

1053
00:48:26,255 --> 00:48:31,035
quickly the rates, the labor supplies, ambulance cost,

1054
00:48:31,305 --> 00:48:34,165
that is per call not per hour.

1055
00:48:34,785 --> 00:48:37,045
So, and then you look at our 1.68 hours

1056
00:48:37,185 --> 00:48:38,965
as our average call length with,

1057
00:48:38,965 --> 00:48:40,565
that's including our longest transfers,

1058
00:48:40,735 --> 00:48:43,245
which gives you the cost per hour in the next column.

1059
00:48:43,545 --> 00:48:47,245
So it's like you look at the labor of 180

1060
00:48:47,245 --> 00:48:48,485
and then you're like, well why is it

1061
00:48:49,035 --> 00:48:52,645
only 169 per hour if the, if the labor says underneath,

1062
00:48:52,805 --> 00:48:54,405
'cause that's per 1.68 hours.

1063
00:48:55,515 --> 00:48:57,975
So the labor supplies and ambulances per call average

1064
00:48:59,105 --> 00:49:01,045
and then I broke it down per hour cost.

1065
00:49:03,095 --> 00:49:04,095
If that makes sense.

1066
00:49:05,875 --> 00:49:08,045
Glad you explained it because it wasn't making

1067
00:49:08,045 --> 00:49:09,045
Sense to me.

1068
00:49:09,045 --> 00:49:10,085
You were about to tell me to sharpen my pencil.

1069
00:49:10,155 --> 00:49:14,905
Yeah, so, so

1070
00:49:14,905 --> 00:49:18,175
as you can see the trans, the transit,

1071
00:49:18,275 --> 00:49:22,385
the type two ambulance asked us roughly

1072
00:49:23,165 --> 00:49:27,385
$39 per hour, less of per hour of operation.

1073
00:49:28,945 --> 00:49:33,605
So thank you David for doing this. Yeah, absolutely.

1074
00:49:34,525 --> 00:49:35,685
I think it's, it's helpful.

1075
00:49:35,965 --> 00:49:39,045
I think it'll be helpful for you as well. Yeah. Just to end,

1076
00:49:42,905 --> 00:49:44,925
Unless you have something else on this,

1077
00:49:44,935 --> 00:49:46,085
David, are you through?

1078
00:49:46,885 --> 00:49:49,685
I think that's all I got for the moment. Okay.

1079
00:49:49,925 --> 00:49:51,645
I know we've got more stuff Mr.

1080
00:49:51,815 --> 00:49:53,565
Susie, do you have any questions

1081
00:49:53,565 --> 00:49:55,285
or comments on this portion

1082
00:49:55,425 --> 00:49:57,205
of David's presentation this evening?

1083
00:49:59,975 --> 00:50:04,375
I don't at this time. Okay. Thank you Mr. Chair.

1084
00:50:04,445 --> 00:50:08,135
Alright, thank you. The labor rate

1085
00:50:08,275 --> 00:50:09,895
for the type two ambulance is less

1086
00:50:09,895 --> 00:50:12,975
because that is not paramedic level coverage.

1087
00:50:13,945 --> 00:50:16,115
Okay. Correct. That was all I had. Thank you

1088
00:50:20,775 --> 00:50:21,775
Jason.

1089
00:50:22,875 --> 00:50:23,875
It's a lot.

1090
00:50:27,785 --> 00:50:30,465
I am good. Before we get into the, the rest of it,

1091
00:50:31,805 --> 00:50:35,775
you talked about the

1092
00:50:36,615 --> 00:50:39,385
long-term staff, lack of turnover,

1093
00:50:42,715 --> 00:50:44,645
much as I hate to be

1094
00:50:48,075 --> 00:50:51,565
nice about it starts at the top

1095
00:50:52,285 --> 00:50:53,665
and it starts, it starts with you

1096
00:50:53,765 --> 00:50:55,505
and you've got, you've got good people

1097
00:50:56,165 --> 00:51:00,625
but there are a reflection of you and your management.

1098
00:51:01,805 --> 00:51:04,845
So thank you. Thank you for what you do.

1099
00:51:05,505 --> 00:51:07,965
Thanks for your, your care for the residents

1100
00:51:07,965 --> 00:51:11,325
and your crew for the, the residents of the town.

1101
00:51:13,155 --> 00:51:14,485
I'll get that out of the way now

1102
00:51:14,485 --> 00:51:16,055
because I don't,

1103
00:51:16,095 --> 00:51:17,935
I don't know if I'm gonna be as nice on the rest of this.

1104
00:51:19,285 --> 00:51:21,095
Well as I always tell you, thank you.

1105
00:51:22,235 --> 00:51:24,815
But I could not do my job without the support

1106
00:51:24,815 --> 00:51:27,055
of the manager staff and all the departments

1107
00:51:27,155 --> 00:51:30,935
and frankly the board, as I told you,

1108
00:51:31,775 --> 00:51:33,535
I told Adam chair when she was leaving

1109
00:51:33,915 --> 00:51:36,095
or previous, sorry Justin

1110
00:51:37,355 --> 00:51:41,535
as I told Norma when she was leaving, been a wild ride

1111
00:51:41,535 --> 00:51:42,655
and you guys have supported me

1112
00:51:42,655 --> 00:51:45,485
through some well thought out.

1113
00:51:45,585 --> 00:51:49,505
But you know, frankly, some people call crazy ideas.

1114
00:51:49,765 --> 00:51:52,585
So we've, you know, we've put it all together

1115
00:51:52,605 --> 00:51:55,265
and it's, it's worked out in our favor so far.

1116
00:51:56,565 --> 00:52:00,185
So thank you all for the trust that you instill in me

1117
00:52:00,245 --> 00:52:03,265
or put in me and you are in your head as well.

1118
00:52:03,325 --> 00:52:08,145
So, and we, but you fall in your face then we keep going

1119
00:52:10,525 --> 00:52:11,625
so far pretty well.

1120
00:52:11,895 --> 00:52:13,865
Tracy's first go around with a wild ride,

1121
00:52:15,075 --> 00:52:17,665
she's like buckle into.

1122
00:52:18,715 --> 00:52:21,445
Alright, if that's it for the occasional report,

1123
00:52:23,325 --> 00:52:26,005
we'll move on to number eight, which is to review

1124
00:52:26,025 --> 00:52:27,365
and consider approving the mobile

1125
00:52:28,575 --> 00:52:30,565
integrated health service agreement.

1126
00:52:31,225 --> 00:52:33,765
Wow. Say that three times fast with the center,

1127
00:52:33,765 --> 00:52:36,685
Vermont Medical Center to provide limited in-home follow up

1128
00:52:36,685 --> 00:52:41,665
care by Berry Town EMS And that is one of the pieces

1129
00:52:41,665 --> 00:52:45,525
that's tied directly to that $750,000 grant

1130
00:52:45,525 --> 00:52:46,965
that you were talking about, correct.

1131
00:52:47,985 --> 00:52:49,805
Mr. Nelson? Yes.

1132
00:52:50,305 --> 00:52:51,565
If I may, there was,

1133
00:52:51,935 --> 00:52:54,445
there was two other handouts in there aside

1134
00:52:54,445 --> 00:52:56,515
from, from David's.

1135
00:52:57,035 --> 00:52:58,755
I didn't know if there was a plan to

1136
00:52:59,335 --> 00:53:00,675
put those on a future agenda

1137
00:53:00,735 --> 00:53:02,835
or if we wanted to talk about 'em under the occasional

1138
00:53:03,785 --> 00:53:04,645
Do you want me to, I was gonna

1139
00:53:04,725 --> 00:53:05,805
say, do you want me to bring those up now?

1140
00:53:05,985 --> 00:53:08,045
If you'd like to. Okay. Yes, that's

1141
00:53:08,045 --> 00:53:09,365
what I thought you were saying that you're gonna get outta

1142
00:53:09,365 --> 00:53:10,445
the way now because we're gonna be ninth.

1143
00:53:11,655 --> 00:53:13,945
Alright, so we'll start

1144
00:53:13,945 --> 00:53:17,515
with the cash reserve consideration first. Have that one.

1145
00:53:17,815 --> 00:53:19,745
We do, We've

1146
00:53:19,745 --> 00:53:22,785
Only seen this tonight, so for presentation Yeah,

1147
00:53:22,785 --> 00:53:25,275
The both of these are just to talk about

1148
00:53:25,375 --> 00:53:28,395
and then pleasure of what you wanna do.

1149
00:53:28,655 --> 00:53:32,035
So we've kind of kicked this idea

1150
00:53:32,035 --> 00:53:33,515
around unofficially I think a little bit,

1151
00:53:34,055 --> 00:53:37,315
but I would like the board to consider

1152
00:53:39,015 --> 00:53:41,315
at some point formally supporting the establishment

1153
00:53:41,315 --> 00:53:43,075
of a dedicated cash operating reserve

1154
00:53:44,855 --> 00:53:46,785
somewhere in the ballpark of 25%

1155
00:53:46,785 --> 00:53:47,985
of our annual operating expenses,

1156
00:53:49,035 --> 00:53:51,105
which would give us three months

1157
00:53:51,165 --> 00:53:52,865
or 90 days operating capital.

1158
00:53:53,875 --> 00:53:57,185
We've had my time as director, we've had

1159
00:53:57,825 --> 00:53:58,825
multiple government shutdowns

1160
00:53:59,405 --> 00:54:00,465
and when ha happens,

1161
00:54:01,885 --> 00:54:05,685
revenues stop coming in from Med CMS, Medicare, Medicaid

1162
00:54:07,745 --> 00:54:10,445
and one of 'em was fairly lengthy.

1163
00:54:10,945 --> 00:54:12,925
The other thing we had was one

1164
00:54:12,925 --> 00:54:14,285
of the billing clearing houses

1165
00:54:14,515 --> 00:54:16,445
that billing companies use Nationwide

1166
00:54:17,065 --> 00:54:19,565
had a significant cyber issue.

1167
00:54:20,375 --> 00:54:23,505
And that took three or four months

1168
00:54:23,505 --> 00:54:26,425
before they were back online to start getting, so we've had

1169
00:54:27,505 --> 00:54:29,905
multiple 2, 3, 4 month periods

1170
00:54:29,905 --> 00:54:31,505
where we didn't have revenue coming in.

1171
00:54:33,565 --> 00:54:36,665
So, you know, some nonprofits

1172
00:54:36,665 --> 00:54:38,705
or private services may have been taking out loans.

1173
00:54:38,705 --> 00:54:40,305
Thankfully we didn't have to do that.

1174
00:54:40,445 --> 00:54:43,945
But I don't, it's not a position I want to be in.

1175
00:54:44,045 --> 00:54:48,225
So I would like for, you know, the board,

1176
00:54:48,325 --> 00:54:52,025
we are a proprietary fund to the general fund and,

1177
00:54:52,125 --> 00:54:57,045
and a, a consideration to give us that stability and,

1178
00:54:57,045 --> 00:55:01,405
and put that into place as restricted

1179
00:55:02,385 --> 00:55:04,195
fund balance versus unrestricted.

1180
00:55:06,045 --> 00:55:08,145
So I wrote up a page there that talks about it

1181
00:55:08,165 --> 00:55:09,185
and the benefits of it.

1182
00:55:09,185 --> 00:55:12,905
It gives the town security, it gives security,

1183
00:55:12,905 --> 00:55:13,905
it gives the staff security.

1184
00:55:14,265 --> 00:55:17,865
I think it just is a, a place that if you guys

1185
00:55:17,865 --> 00:55:19,265
to consider going at some point.

1186
00:55:27,785 --> 00:55:29,325
Can I ask a quick question? Yeah.

1187
00:55:29,505 --> 00:55:32,005
What's the downside to to establishing

1188
00:55:34,465 --> 00:55:38,005
The, the only downside would be that

1189
00:55:38,545 --> 00:55:40,605
it would be restricted for that purpose

1190
00:55:41,815 --> 00:55:42,835
and it wouldn't be able

1191
00:55:42,835 --> 00:55:44,755
to be spent on other capital projects.

1192
00:55:44,765 --> 00:55:48,315
Which, but I think having a rainy day fund is,

1193
00:55:48,495 --> 00:55:50,875
is is good business practice.

1194
00:55:51,095 --> 00:55:53,995
We, we are responsible to a lot of families

1195
00:55:54,305 --> 00:55:57,395
that we provide income and, and, and jobs to.

1196
00:55:57,725 --> 00:56:00,395
We're responsible to seven towns to provide the service to

1197
00:56:00,395 --> 00:56:03,515
and just having the ability to continue to operate

1198
00:56:04,055 --> 00:56:06,995
in the face of, you know, financial strain, COVID, you know,

1199
00:56:07,055 --> 00:56:08,995
any of those things that have happened to us over the years

1200
00:56:08,995 --> 00:56:10,515
that we've continued to operate.

1201
00:56:11,535 --> 00:56:12,755
But I think it would be

1202
00:56:14,555 --> 00:56:15,915
stressful on all of us at the end of the day.

1203
00:56:23,265 --> 00:56:26,185
I think it's a good idea. Sure.

1204
00:56:28,225 --> 00:56:29,525
Do we have other questions?

1205
00:56:29,675 --> 00:56:30,925
Nope, I'm with you in concept.

1206
00:56:31,165 --> 00:56:33,845
I I think we will fine tune some numbers maybe,

1207
00:56:33,865 --> 00:56:36,845
but yeah, I, I'm not, that's just a number that, you know,

1208
00:56:36,845 --> 00:56:39,645
I did a bunch of research, asked some opinions, you know,

1209
00:56:39,865 --> 00:56:41,165
around, across the nation

1210
00:56:41,185 --> 00:56:45,605
and that seems to be a fairly common Number.

1211
00:56:45,995 --> 00:56:48,085
More or less like, you know, I, I'm not tied

1212
00:56:48,085 --> 00:56:49,165
to any of it right.

1213
00:56:51,795 --> 00:56:54,575
Or I'm also not tied to that specific definition.

1214
00:56:54,595 --> 00:56:58,215
If there's some someone that has more financial background

1215
00:56:58,215 --> 00:57:00,335
that says, hey we can term it this way

1216
00:57:00,395 --> 00:57:02,775
and we can use it, you know, as what, you know, whatever.

1217
00:57:02,835 --> 00:57:04,775
So there's, there's some work we need to do

1218
00:57:04,775 --> 00:57:05,855
to figure out exactly what

1219
00:57:05,855 --> 00:57:08,295
that framework would look like and how we get there.

1220
00:57:08,435 --> 00:57:12,495
But I think the concept of it is a good idea for sure to,

1221
00:57:13,075 --> 00:57:15,015
to make sure that very tan MS is on

1222
00:57:15,645 --> 00:57:18,055
footing here in the future.

1223
00:57:18,275 --> 00:57:20,535
And it only makes sense to have that

1224
00:57:21,465 --> 00:57:22,935
enterprise fund like this.

1225
00:57:25,105 --> 00:57:28,105
I would say somewhere between 25 and 33%.

1226
00:57:28,385 --> 00:57:32,225
'cause three months is not a lot of time as we,

1227
00:57:32,405 --> 00:57:34,265
we experience, we don't feel the

1228
00:57:35,165 --> 00:57:37,105
the operating issues that you do.

1229
00:57:37,105 --> 00:57:40,065
But when, when COVID hit, it was a, it was a major concern

1230
00:57:40,085 --> 00:57:42,985
of the, of the board, the ambulance.

1231
00:57:44,005 --> 00:57:46,065
The ambulance is just sitting there while we still have

1232
00:57:46,065 --> 00:57:50,065
to pay people 24 hours a day to staff all of them.

1233
00:57:51,805 --> 00:57:55,145
So just some, somewhere in that I would call 25% a minimum.

1234
00:57:58,035 --> 00:57:59,235
I wouldn't argue that Mr. Chair,

1235
00:57:59,755 --> 00:58:02,275
You know, I'm sure the auditors would also have some Yeah.

1236
00:58:02,845 --> 00:58:07,735
Input on that too. You know, be getting this out there

1237
00:58:07,755 --> 00:58:09,055
so we can have conversations about it.

1238
00:58:09,055 --> 00:58:11,135
Figure out the best course. Good conversation.

1239
00:58:14,705 --> 00:58:15,985
Mr. Susie, do you have anything?

1240
00:58:18,985 --> 00:58:20,305
I think that David

1241
00:58:20,765 --> 00:58:24,425
and his department has performed just

1242
00:58:25,565 --> 00:58:26,665
as good as possible.

1243
00:58:26,845 --> 00:58:30,545
So they, they deserve us taking a look at that

1244
00:58:30,565 --> 00:58:34,025
and see if it would help run the operation

1245
00:58:34,325 --> 00:58:37,425
and you know, give some comfort and security.

1246
00:58:37,645 --> 00:58:40,585
So I'm all for moving forward with it.

1247
00:58:41,235 --> 00:58:43,155
Okay. Thank you sir.

1248
00:58:45,665 --> 00:58:46,765
Energy, you got anything else?

1249
00:58:47,115 --> 00:58:49,525
Nope. Just what David

1250
00:58:49,525 --> 00:58:51,205
and I have talked about it for a while

1251
00:58:51,265 --> 00:58:53,485
and we're set to figure out the mechanism to do it.

1252
00:58:53,715 --> 00:58:54,715
Okay.

1253
00:58:57,885 --> 00:59:00,785
Next. Bob

1254
00:59:00,785 --> 00:59:04,065
and Justin's favorite subject with all the

1255
00:59:04,865 --> 00:59:06,025
fabulous discussion we've had about

1256
00:59:06,245 --> 00:59:08,385
how well the type two ambulance is performing.

1257
00:59:08,905 --> 00:59:13,275
Hmm. I would like to

1258
00:59:13,915 --> 00:59:14,955
endeavor to have a conversation

1259
00:59:15,015 --> 00:59:16,195
and get the, the feelings

1260
00:59:16,195 --> 00:59:17,875
of the board about buying another one.

1261
00:59:19,705 --> 00:59:23,525
So I'm here tonight to discuss that and get your feelings.

1262
00:59:23,665 --> 00:59:28,285
But having my rationale would is having two of them,

1263
00:59:30,785 --> 00:59:34,045
one as one is, you know, getting more miles put on it,

1264
00:59:34,045 --> 00:59:36,605
having a second one available for off times when

1265
00:59:36,605 --> 00:59:37,605
that one's out for maintenance

1266
00:59:38,185 --> 00:59:40,765
or you know, as it gets all, well we had an SUV for that

1267
00:59:41,615 --> 00:59:42,885
can't transport patients in it.

1268
00:59:45,215 --> 00:59:47,275
And also, you know, there are more times

1269
00:59:48,395 --> 00:59:52,115
seemingly than not recently that we are doing multiple

1270
00:59:52,625 --> 00:59:54,115
long distance BLS transfers.

1271
00:59:54,115 --> 00:59:56,435
So for example, one day last week we did three trips

1272
00:59:56,435 --> 00:59:57,555
to Brattle on the same day.

1273
00:59:58,375 --> 01:00:00,755
So the type two took care of one of those

1274
01:00:00,935 --> 01:00:03,105
but the type the bigger trucks

1275
01:00:03,105 --> 01:00:04,185
took care of the other two right.

1276
01:00:04,185 --> 01:00:06,065
With ambulance. So,

1277
01:00:08,885 --> 01:00:13,025
and as we continue to, you know, get busier, it would

1278
01:00:14,315 --> 01:00:16,415
one, when we have other maintenance issues on the other

1279
01:00:16,415 --> 01:00:18,895
trucks, these are still functional ambulances

1280
01:00:19,245 --> 01:00:22,855
that we can operate and we are still doing a fair amount

1281
01:00:22,855 --> 01:00:24,295
of transfers with the other ones.

1282
01:00:24,295 --> 01:00:25,775
We're not gonna ever get away from that.

1283
01:00:25,955 --> 01:00:28,215
But again, this having it as a backup

1284
01:00:28,395 --> 01:00:32,015
but also having it to use if we need to do multiple

1285
01:00:32,015 --> 01:00:36,775
of those trips in at one time, expanding our fleet

1286
01:00:36,955 --> 01:00:39,055
but also being mindful of cost.

1287
01:00:39,085 --> 01:00:42,215
This is the least expensive option of them

1288
01:00:43,155 --> 01:00:44,415
not buying another type three.

1289
01:00:44,575 --> 01:00:46,475
I don't think we need it. Six

1290
01:00:46,475 --> 01:00:47,875
of those is plenty at this point,

1291
01:00:49,655 --> 01:00:51,875
but having another truck would certainly benefit the

1292
01:00:51,875 --> 01:00:55,975
department and the benefit

1293
01:00:57,345 --> 01:01:01,645
of having to replace a one early last year leaves us

1294
01:01:01,645 --> 01:01:04,645
with budgeted money for type three this year

1295
01:01:04,645 --> 01:01:05,645
that we're not gonna spend.

1296
01:01:06,125 --> 01:01:10,705
'cause we bought it with cash last year.

1297
01:01:10,705 --> 01:01:12,585
We bought it in March at last year's budget.

1298
01:01:13,245 --> 01:01:16,345
We bought it early. So this year we budgeted

1299
01:01:16,345 --> 01:01:19,105
for a type three for a hundred eighty three five, I think.

1300
01:01:20,045 --> 01:01:22,305
But we're not getting the next one until next year.

1301
01:01:22,765 --> 01:01:26,545
So we theoretically have budgeted money for an ambulance

1302
01:01:26,575 --> 01:01:29,305
that not currently intended to be spent

1303
01:01:30,085 --> 01:01:33,785
unless this conversation goes well

1304
01:01:34,985 --> 01:01:37,485
and comes back for a, for a warned item at some point.

1305
01:01:37,785 --> 01:01:41,605
And how much is a type two roughly? Fully outfitted?

1306
01:01:43,215 --> 01:01:45,955
So the, the 180 3 5 for type three is just the truck,

1307
01:01:46,875 --> 01:01:48,655
not any equipment fully outfitted.

1308
01:01:49,175 --> 01:01:52,695
A type two would be close to 183,000.

1309
01:01:52,725 --> 01:01:54,415
Like that's with stretcher,

1310
01:01:54,555 --> 01:01:56,215
the load system and the equipment.

1311
01:01:56,215 --> 01:02:01,195
Equipment. Just the truck

1312
01:02:01,195 --> 01:02:03,035
is around 140 ish.

1313
01:02:03,575 --> 01:02:06,395
So they're, they're 40 something thousand dollars cheaper

1314
01:02:06,395 --> 01:02:07,475
than the type threes.

1315
01:02:11,905 --> 01:02:12,965
How would that line up with your

1316
01:02:12,965 --> 01:02:14,285
replacement schedules going forward?

1317
01:02:14,315 --> 01:02:16,005
Have you done that trajectory yet?

1318
01:02:18,145 --> 01:02:21,285
And if you haven't that's fine. So I have it from before.

1319
01:02:21,645 --> 01:02:23,285
I wanted to get a full year with a type two

1320
01:02:23,285 --> 01:02:26,445
because it's going to reduce the amount of times we have

1321
01:02:26,445 --> 01:02:27,525
to replace the Type Threes

1322
01:02:27,675 --> 01:02:30,085
because we're putting the mileage, like I said,

1323
01:02:30,105 --> 01:02:31,765
in a three year period, we are re,

1324
01:02:31,855 --> 01:02:33,685
we're saving one entire ambulance and mileage.

1325
01:02:33,685 --> 01:02:35,645
It's a trajectory that type two's running right now.

1326
01:02:39,675 --> 01:02:42,165
It's, it would only make it better on that aspect,

1327
01:02:44,775 --> 01:02:48,355
but I haven't, I wanted to get in October, I'll next month,

1328
01:02:48,415 --> 01:02:52,525
in the next month, I'll put all that into some documents.

1329
01:02:54,735 --> 01:02:57,035
So you said we've got 40,000 miles on our

1330
01:02:57,105 --> 01:02:58,235
type two right now?

1331
01:02:59,575 --> 01:03:00,575
Right.

1332
01:03:01,255 --> 01:03:04,355
Closer to 45 at this point, but yeah. Okay. Over 40.

1333
01:03:05,375 --> 01:03:08,675
So you're saying that the savings in the operating,

1334
01:03:11,075 --> 01:03:11,785
we've already

1335
01:03:16,025 --> 01:03:19,525
saved enough money to buy the new, the new type two,

1336
01:03:21,145 --> 01:03:22,485
If I'm reading this correctly?

1337
01:03:24,375 --> 01:03:27,665
Operating hours. Yeah. Operating, sorry, yeah. Yeah.

1338
01:03:27,695 --> 01:03:29,585
Operating hours. Got it. Okay.

1339
01:03:33,215 --> 01:03:35,295
I was gonna ask if, if you can make some sort

1340
01:03:35,295 --> 01:03:38,695
of a rough connection between operating hours and mileage.

1341
01:03:40,445 --> 01:03:43,265
That's what I was trying, But it didn't work.

1342
01:03:43,895 --> 01:03:48,025
Yeah, so we could try to, from, from

1343
01:03:48,025 --> 01:03:51,265
what I'm understanding is, is one of these ambulances,

1344
01:03:51,295 --> 01:03:55,605
basically we save a, a type of three

1345
01:03:56,415 --> 01:03:57,445
every four years.

1346
01:03:57,445 --> 01:03:59,725
Every three years. Every three years.

1347
01:04:00,375 --> 01:04:02,205
Every three years-ish.

1348
01:04:02,265 --> 01:04:06,155
We save that cost three full years.

1349
01:04:06,155 --> 01:04:08,515
This is, this is based on the current timeline,

1350
01:04:08,515 --> 01:04:09,595
which is about 10 months.

1351
01:04:09,735 --> 01:04:10,735
So,

1352
01:04:14,435 --> 01:04:16,415
So, and then, and then the replacement

1353
01:04:16,415 --> 01:04:17,895
of these would just be the one 40

1354
01:04:17,895 --> 01:04:20,095
because the equipment could transfer over similar to

1355
01:04:20,095 --> 01:04:21,895
what we do with the, with the type threes.

1356
01:04:23,955 --> 01:04:25,365
Yeah. Once we make that up investment,

1357
01:04:25,465 --> 01:04:27,285
it would be just the cost of the unit itself,

1358
01:04:27,285 --> 01:04:29,125
which obviously probably go up a little bit,

1359
01:04:29,185 --> 01:04:33,045
but right now, I would say in two years now it'd be 150

1360
01:04:33,065 --> 01:04:35,885
or less, whereas the type threes will be closer to 200.

1361
01:04:37,065 --> 01:04:38,925
And do you expect these type twos

1362
01:04:38,945 --> 01:04:42,045
to get roughly the same amount of mileage

1363
01:04:42,745 --> 01:04:43,925
as far as longevity goes?

1364
01:04:43,925 --> 01:04:46,005
As the type threes? They are still three quarter

1365
01:04:46,325 --> 01:04:47,365
ton or one tons, I believe.

1366
01:04:48,685 --> 01:04:51,305
I expect them to actually get more

1367
01:04:51,305 --> 01:04:54,345
because they're, it's majority of it's highway miles.

1368
01:04:54,345 --> 01:04:56,705
There's less hard starts and hard stops

1369
01:04:57,485 --> 01:04:59,745
and most of the services I've talked to are running them

1370
01:04:59,745 --> 01:05:01,785
around 200,000 before they get rid of 'em or more.

1371
01:05:04,095 --> 01:05:06,635
Okay. That's all for me. Thank you.

1372
01:05:12,245 --> 01:05:13,855
Long distance transports, David?

1373
01:05:15,895 --> 01:05:17,885
Well, there's obviously a, a market and a need.

1374
01:05:17,885 --> 01:05:19,365
There's not a requirement, right?

1375
01:05:20,165 --> 01:05:22,045
I just wanna be, we are doing it

1376
01:05:22,045 --> 01:05:26,265
because we have the capacity, but yeah, it's, if they call

1377
01:05:26,265 --> 01:05:27,825
and need a transfer to Borough

1378
01:05:27,825 --> 01:05:29,465
or Boston, then you can't do it.

1379
01:05:29,615 --> 01:05:31,025
Someone else, they wait around

1380
01:05:31,025 --> 01:05:32,105
until somebody else picks it up, right?

1381
01:05:32,215 --> 01:05:36,705
Correct. So there's a few thoughts to go with that.

1382
01:05:36,805 --> 01:05:39,535
And the first one is, a lot

1383
01:05:39,535 --> 01:05:40,895
of 'em are, are residents, right?

1384
01:05:40,995 --> 01:05:42,295
Of the seven towns we care for.

1385
01:05:43,715 --> 01:05:47,535
The other one is, you know, much like the business, if

1386
01:05:48,595 --> 01:05:50,195
I go into a hardware store

1387
01:05:50,195 --> 01:05:51,835
and I need something, I don't have it, I go to the next one

1388
01:05:51,975 --> 01:05:53,555
and then do I just go to the next one the next time?

1389
01:05:53,655 --> 01:05:56,315
And, you know, it's, it's that making sure we provide the

1390
01:05:56,315 --> 01:05:59,715
service as a package to our residents, to the entities

1391
01:05:59,715 --> 01:06:02,875
that we serve as that, you know, relationship that we try

1392
01:06:02,875 --> 01:06:06,825
to keep, but

1393
01:06:06,825 --> 01:06:08,065
it's not a mandatory thing.

1394
01:06:08,065 --> 01:06:12,985
Correct. In your future data since the scrub,

1395
01:06:13,485 --> 01:06:17,065
I'd be, I guess I'd be more comfortable if I knew the,

1396
01:06:17,725 --> 01:06:19,585
the actual number of conflicts, like

1397
01:06:19,615 --> 01:06:21,065
what you're experiencing today.

1398
01:06:21,145 --> 01:06:23,865
I mean, you, up to this point at least you said

1399
01:06:23,975 --> 01:06:26,985
with the three transports to Rattle Barrel in one day,

1400
01:06:27,105 --> 01:06:30,145
I like, I'm just kind of curious to get a gauge of that,

1401
01:06:30,205 --> 01:06:32,305
the volume, the number of opportunities that are lost

1402
01:06:32,445 --> 01:06:34,345
or potentially we, we still do 'em.

1403
01:06:34,855 --> 01:06:37,305
It's just we, like I can tell you

1404
01:06:37,895 --> 01:06:41,105
without any doubt in my mind every day, which,

1405
01:06:41,115 --> 01:06:43,105
which this will not fix wholesomely,

1406
01:06:43,565 --> 01:06:46,225
but every day type threes are going on.

1407
01:06:46,305 --> 01:06:47,945
BLS transfers like, it, it,

1408
01:06:47,945 --> 01:06:49,225
and we're never gonna get away from that.

1409
01:06:49,405 --> 01:06:52,105
But we can reduce the, the number in which that's happening

1410
01:06:53,275 --> 01:06:56,075
because three of our, well currently four

1411
01:06:56,095 --> 01:06:57,995
of our five crews are in type threes.

1412
01:06:58,175 --> 01:06:59,715
So it only stands to reason

1413
01:06:59,745 --> 01:07:01,875
that they're gonna be doing some of that work.

1414
01:07:04,455 --> 01:07:06,995
But, or cost effective in a type two. Correct.

1415
01:07:07,295 --> 01:07:12,275
And so we could potentially shift more

1416
01:07:12,275 --> 01:07:13,995
of that work into those type twos if

1417
01:07:13,995 --> 01:07:15,075
we had another one available.

1418
01:07:15,215 --> 01:07:17,755
But if, if the truck's loaded, it can only take one patient.

1419
01:07:17,855 --> 01:07:19,795
So that one's gone and the other trucks are

1420
01:07:19,795 --> 01:07:21,235
doing the work until it's available. Again,

1421
01:07:22,115 --> 01:07:26,425
Transports are staffed by a EMTs and, and

1422
01:07:26,785 --> 01:07:27,785
EMTs.

1423
01:07:27,785 --> 01:07:29,865
EMTs, right now, the, the two full-time people

1424
01:07:29,865 --> 01:07:33,545
that are primary assigned to that truck are both EMTs

1425
01:07:34,145 --> 01:07:35,785
and then we backfill, they work,

1426
01:07:35,785 --> 01:07:36,945
they each work four days a week

1427
01:07:36,965 --> 01:07:39,105
and then we fill it with per diems might be an A MT,

1428
01:07:39,105 --> 01:07:42,465
might be an MT, rarely.

1429
01:07:42,785 --> 01:07:44,785
I don't EI don't think I,

1430
01:07:44,965 --> 01:07:47,065
unless I'm on it that there's a medic on it if

1431
01:07:47,065 --> 01:07:48,265
I go on run or something.

1432
01:07:51,135 --> 01:07:52,635
But primarily it's EMT

1433
01:07:52,635 --> 01:07:56,515
or a MT, then that truck is only licensed at the a MT level.

1434
01:07:56,735 --> 01:07:58,555
If we, if they go on a nine one call

1435
01:07:58,555 --> 01:08:00,115
and they need a medic, one of us will go

1436
01:08:00,115 --> 01:08:01,755
and jump on it with you gear and go with them.

1437
01:08:03,855 --> 01:08:05,595
We don't have it. The ventilators

1438
01:08:05,595 --> 01:08:06,995
and that stuff aren't on it, so it doesn't cost much

1439
01:08:06,995 --> 01:08:08,035
to, to up fit it.

1440
01:08:11,095 --> 01:08:14,515
So this would, and this would involve adding two more

1441
01:08:14,875 --> 01:08:15,875
Full-time staff?

1442
01:08:16,625 --> 01:08:18,925
No, no.

1443
01:08:18,955 --> 01:08:22,615
This would be one, it would act as a backup if we needed.

1444
01:08:22,675 --> 01:08:25,895
But two, like if we, so right now we run five crews on

1445
01:08:25,895 --> 01:08:26,935
during the day, during the week.

1446
01:08:27,515 --> 01:08:30,175
So if the crew that was in one of the type threes,

1447
01:08:30,205 --> 01:08:32,815
like the Southberry truck, there was multiple bra roll runs,

1448
01:08:32,815 --> 01:08:34,735
they could jump in this vehicle

1449
01:08:34,795 --> 01:08:36,055
and go do those ratable runs

1450
01:08:36,075 --> 01:08:37,335
rather than take the type three.

1451
01:08:37,885 --> 01:08:39,335
It's better on fuel mileage, cheaper

1452
01:08:39,355 --> 01:08:41,055
to replace. It's, you know,

1453
01:08:41,635 --> 01:08:43,855
But they're gonna be a paramedic or a critical care, but

1454
01:08:43,855 --> 01:08:45,775
Then Be staffed by a medic.

1455
01:08:46,395 --> 01:08:47,495
The Southberry truck.

1456
01:08:48,115 --> 01:08:50,175
So our, our paramedic

1457
01:08:50,195 --> 01:08:52,495
and critical care paramedics are a primary duty crews.

1458
01:08:52,635 --> 01:08:55,455
And that's the three, that's Williamstown East Bay Berlin.

1459
01:08:56,275 --> 01:08:59,255
And then the Southbury truck could have a paramedic on it.

1460
01:08:59,565 --> 01:09:01,655
Minimum staffing is an E-M-T-A-M-T.

1461
01:09:02,475 --> 01:09:05,655
And then the transport truck can have two EMTs on it.

1462
01:09:06,035 --> 01:09:09,295
So it may sometimes have a paramedic,

1463
01:09:09,395 --> 01:09:12,415
but more frequently it has an EMT and a MT on it.

1464
01:09:15,075 --> 01:09:16,485
Just thinking about the labor cost on,

1465
01:09:16,505 --> 01:09:18,285
I'm assuming that's where you were going, Mr. Chair.

1466
01:09:18,985 --> 01:09:23,295
It, it, it was, and I'm, I'm, I'm just trying

1467
01:09:23,295 --> 01:09:24,455
to to think through this.

1468
01:09:25,915 --> 01:09:29,855
So if these two type two ambulances

1469
01:09:30,635 --> 01:09:35,015
rolled at the same time for a transfer, one of them is like,

1470
01:09:35,015 --> 01:09:38,215
unless you called in some staff, one of them is likely going

1471
01:09:38,215 --> 01:09:41,615
to have a, a medic or, or a paramedic on it?

1472
01:09:44,015 --> 01:09:45,915
Not frequently. Not during the day, during the week.

1473
01:09:46,075 --> 01:09:47,515
'cause we have two crews

1474
01:09:47,515 --> 01:09:49,795
that are primarily not paramedic crews on

1475
01:09:49,795 --> 01:09:50,875
during the week, during the day.

1476
01:09:51,265 --> 01:09:53,635
Okay. We run five crews Monday

1477
01:09:53,635 --> 01:09:56,025
through Friday during the daytime.

1478
01:09:56,575 --> 01:09:57,945
Okay. That's the piece I was missing.

1479
01:09:58,395 --> 01:10:00,625
Three of those are always paramedic

1480
01:10:00,645 --> 01:10:05,365
or critical care every day of the week, all year long.

1481
01:10:06,305 --> 01:10:10,785
The other two, one of them is maybe once

1482
01:10:10,785 --> 01:10:13,585
or twice a year, has a paramedic

1483
01:10:13,685 --> 01:10:17,225
and then the middle, it's, it's, it's who signs up

1484
01:10:17,225 --> 01:10:19,965
for the shifts for the per diem staff.

1485
01:10:20,105 --> 01:10:23,035
So, but primarily recently there's transports.

1486
01:10:23,035 --> 01:10:25,395
They're not critical events. I mean Yeah.

1487
01:10:25,395 --> 01:10:26,595
Or they do backup 9 1 1.

1488
01:10:27,075 --> 01:10:29,435
They roam so that the Southbury truck is in the

1489
01:10:29,575 --> 01:10:30,715
middle of our coverage area.

1490
01:10:30,815 --> 01:10:32,155
So if Ling's on a call,

1491
01:10:32,155 --> 01:10:33,235
they can go up there and cover the station.

1492
01:10:33,235 --> 01:10:34,235
If East Spirit goes on a call,

1493
01:10:34,235 --> 01:10:35,075
they can go cover the station.

1494
01:10:35,135 --> 01:10:37,315
So they, to reduce our crosstown responses

1495
01:10:37,315 --> 01:10:38,475
and keep our response times down.

1496
01:10:42,195 --> 01:10:45,255
How soon if we discuss this?

1497
01:10:46,655 --> 01:10:47,825
Well I can always ask you this. All

1498
01:10:47,825 --> 01:10:50,505
we're doing is discussing right now. Again,

1499
01:10:50,715 --> 01:10:53,385
Let's say, let's say we agree.

1500
01:10:54,165 --> 01:10:56,385
How soon after that are you gonna ask for a fleet mechanic?

1501
01:10:57,765 --> 01:10:59,265
You've got a date. I know you do.

1502
01:10:59,985 --> 01:11:02,545
I I don't, I don't. He does what?

1503
01:11:03,245 --> 01:11:04,305
Ask for a fleet Mechanic.

1504
01:11:04,445 --> 01:11:06,425
No, I was like, they do a great job.

1505
01:11:06,745 --> 01:11:08,985
I mean, we would just, we could certainly increase our

1506
01:11:09,225 --> 01:11:12,025
contribution to the, to the maintenance, you know,

1507
01:11:12,245 --> 01:11:14,365
budget based on our vehicle usage.

1508
01:11:15,665 --> 01:11:19,605
But I don't need a mechanic on my staff.

1509
01:11:22,135 --> 01:11:24,705
Okay. I be, if you don't have one,

1510
01:11:24,865 --> 01:11:25,905
actually I have no need to go.

1511
01:11:26,105 --> 01:11:28,305
I have no want to. I got enough to do.

1512
01:11:28,705 --> 01:11:32,025
I don't need to oversee shop. That's a, that's Alan's job.

1513
01:11:32,725 --> 01:11:35,105
He seems to be doing a great job at itself far. So

1514
01:11:36,065 --> 01:11:38,225
I know that we talk about this every time we add another

1515
01:11:38,225 --> 01:11:40,745
piece of equipment, but we knew do need to be sensitive

1516
01:11:40,745 --> 01:11:42,745
to the fact that we only have two mechanics.

1517
01:11:46,985 --> 01:11:49,435
Just, you know, food for thought.

1518
01:11:53,975 --> 01:11:55,235
Any other questions on this item?

1519
01:11:55,715 --> 01:11:57,315
I have a question that I'm afraid to ask,

1520
01:11:57,315 --> 01:11:58,595
but I'm going to ask it anyway.

1521
01:11:58,995 --> 01:12:00,675
I thought it was one he was gonna ask, but go ahead.

1522
01:12:00,895 --> 01:12:02,555
No, I just, as we're having this discussion,

1523
01:12:02,655 --> 01:12:03,755
I'm thinking like,

1524
01:12:04,215 --> 01:12:07,355
and you're so good at fostering these partnerships,

1525
01:12:09,105 --> 01:12:12,985
like, and I was thinking just of call trucking

1526
01:12:12,985 --> 01:12:13,985
and like back hauls

1527
01:12:13,985 --> 01:12:16,785
and like what opportunities are there for.

1528
01:12:18,095 --> 01:12:20,425
Yeah, I mean if you're gonna Brattleboro, you know,

1529
01:12:20,425 --> 01:12:21,785
you then you drop to Boston, you bring

1530
01:12:21,785 --> 01:12:22,825
them back to Dartmouth or whatever.

1531
01:12:22,855 --> 01:12:25,385
Like, I, I don't know that we don't do a lot, we do a lot

1532
01:12:25,385 --> 01:12:26,545
of, we go to UVM

1533
01:12:26,545 --> 01:12:28,625
and bring one back a fair amount of the time.

1534
01:12:29,015 --> 01:12:30,785
Dartmouth not, we don't have a New Hampshire license,

1535
01:12:31,045 --> 01:12:32,705
so we don't stay away from that.

1536
01:12:32,855 --> 01:12:36,105
Okay. And Brattleboro, we don't generally,

1537
01:12:36,165 --> 01:12:38,665
but a lot of times, and I'm using that figuratively.

1538
01:12:38,775 --> 01:12:43,735
Yeah, UVM. So cam his crew up at

1539
01:12:43,735 --> 01:12:45,015
the Comm center do a really good job.

1540
01:12:45,015 --> 01:12:47,135
They're like, Hey, we like, they could coordinate all

1541
01:12:47,135 --> 01:12:50,215
of our transports outta CVMC and he'll call

1542
01:12:50,215 --> 01:12:51,695
and say, Hey, I know you got a truck on the way up.

1543
01:12:51,715 --> 01:12:52,975
Can you grab, you know,

1544
01:12:52,975 --> 01:12:55,615
while you're here can get cleaned up, get ready

1545
01:12:55,635 --> 01:12:56,855
and bring one back to Woodridge

1546
01:12:56,855 --> 01:12:58,615
or bring one back to beach or, or back to CVH.

1547
01:12:58,685 --> 01:13:01,335
Okay. So we do, that's happening a fair amount. Yep.

1548
01:13:05,645 --> 01:13:07,105
You guys wanna come hang out for a day

1549
01:13:07,105 --> 01:13:08,825
and get a handle on what goes on down there?

1550
01:13:09,205 --> 01:13:11,905
My guess correct, Jim, if I'm wrong, is

1551
01:13:11,905 --> 01:13:14,545
that there could be a little more use to the,

1552
01:13:16,375 --> 01:13:19,835
the mobile integrated health agreement.

1553
01:13:20,275 --> 01:13:22,115
'cause there could be some transporting from

1554
01:13:22,115 --> 01:13:23,155
a hospital home too.

1555
01:13:23,505 --> 01:13:26,555
Yeah. There may be times when we're like, you know, total

1556
01:13:27,195 --> 01:13:29,235
elective, total joint or someone who, you know,

1557
01:13:29,525 --> 01:13:31,235
needs assistance getting home.

1558
01:13:31,255 --> 01:13:34,595
We may actually bring them home to get them home safely,

1559
01:13:34,695 --> 01:13:36,315
get 'em into their home, get 'em settled

1560
01:13:37,075 --> 01:13:39,235
and that would be a time these could also be utilized.

1561
01:13:39,815 --> 01:13:41,715
And you know, in the wintertime they are

1562
01:13:41,775 --> 01:13:42,915
all wheel drive, which is a bonus.

1563
01:13:44,095 --> 01:13:45,935
I think you even said that on occasion,

1564
01:13:45,935 --> 01:13:47,255
depending on the situation.

1565
01:13:47,265 --> 01:13:49,455
Could be the SUV. Yep. Yeah.

1566
01:13:49,455 --> 01:13:50,455
If they don't need a stretcher,

1567
01:13:50,455 --> 01:13:51,535
we could certainly take 'em in an SUV.

1568
01:13:51,535 --> 01:13:55,495
But if, if they need an ambulance,

1569
01:13:55,495 --> 01:13:57,455
we could do it in the, in the transits.

1570
01:13:58,485 --> 01:14:02,835
Okay. Gentlemen, online, any other questions?

1571
01:14:06,705 --> 01:14:11,125
No, I would like to see a cost analysis of savings

1572
01:14:11,585 --> 01:14:14,165
of both if there is some in labor,

1573
01:14:14,605 --> 01:14:17,605
although it seems to be a variable as well as

1574
01:14:18,125 --> 01:14:22,565
savings per hour running the type two versus the type three.

1575
01:14:22,665 --> 01:14:26,075
And whether it is a re a return on this investment.

1576
01:14:27,045 --> 01:14:31,545
$39 an hour savings For labor

1577
01:14:33,195 --> 01:14:34,195
Or Operation

1578
01:14:34,425 --> 01:14:35,425
Total.

1579
01:14:35,425 --> 01:14:37,615
Both staffed, staffed with the,

1580
01:14:37,615 --> 01:14:38,855
with the crew when operating.

1581
01:14:40,745 --> 01:14:44,325
And then how about cost per operation?

1582
01:14:45,925 --> 01:14:47,585
Gas or maintenance?

1583
01:14:47,975 --> 01:14:50,345
Yeah, they definitely get better. Better gas mileage.

1584
01:14:50,495 --> 01:14:54,945
It's a, with that truck getting fuel on the road,

1585
01:14:54,945 --> 01:14:58,305
sometimes it's hard to nail down the exact, I talked

1586
01:14:58,305 --> 01:15:00,425
with Alan and he sent me the spreadsheet and he's like,

1587
01:15:00,445 --> 01:15:01,585
but there's a lot of gaps

1588
01:15:01,585 --> 01:15:04,065
because if they're coming back from Brattleboro

1589
01:15:04,065 --> 01:15:06,425
and they got another one waiting, sometimes they'll fuel up

1590
01:15:06,425 --> 01:15:08,145
at Maple Fields rather than going to the pump

1591
01:15:08,165 --> 01:15:09,385
so they can get the other one on the road.

1592
01:15:10,205 --> 01:15:11,985
So it's, we're I gotta,

1593
01:15:12,185 --> 01:15:13,705
I gotta nail that down a little bit more.

1594
01:15:13,785 --> 01:15:18,505
I gotta go through the next, when I get the slip from

1595
01:15:19,585 --> 01:15:22,565
Valley, I gotta sit down with Alan so we can look at a month

1596
01:15:22,585 --> 01:15:24,575
and get that nailed down.

1597
01:15:25,965 --> 01:15:28,415
Okay. All right, thanks David. Okay,

1598
01:15:30,165 --> 01:15:31,165
Justin?

1599
01:15:33,295 --> 01:15:37,695
No, I think I'm good. All set?

1600
01:15:38,045 --> 01:15:39,055
Yeah, I mean, you're not looking

1601
01:15:39,055 --> 01:15:40,695
for a decision on that topic tonight.

1602
01:15:40,755 --> 01:15:41,775
You're just priming the pump,

1603
01:15:41,775 --> 01:15:46,005
righting the seed, priming the pump. Good way to put it.

1604
01:15:46,535 --> 01:15:49,585
Alright, number eight, which is to review

1605
01:15:49,585 --> 01:15:52,425
and consider approving mobile integrated health service

1606
01:15:52,425 --> 01:15:54,425
agreement with a central Vermont Medical Center

1607
01:15:54,445 --> 01:15:58,785
to provide limited in-home follow-up care by ferry town EMS.

1608
01:15:59,045 --> 01:16:00,425
That's the second time I've said that.

1609
01:16:01,285 --> 01:16:01,955
We're gonna call it,

1610
01:16:07,835 --> 01:16:08,335
it doesn't work.

1611
01:16:09,745 --> 01:16:11,575
Sorry. Come up with something else, David.

1612
01:16:11,865 --> 01:16:13,335
Don't think we can throw into an Akron.

1613
01:16:15,805 --> 01:16:20,095
Alright, so this is something we've talked about extensively

1614
01:16:22,115 --> 01:16:26,655
and it's finally been, these things take time between

1615
01:16:27,895 --> 01:16:29,995
all the lawyer reviews on our end, their end.

1616
01:16:31,415 --> 01:16:34,125
So that's been fleshed out

1617
01:16:36,735 --> 01:16:39,395
by our attorney network attorneys.

1618
01:16:39,975 --> 01:16:42,835
And so basically what this is, is this is a kind

1619
01:16:42,835 --> 01:16:45,395
of an interim agreement, if you will, to

1620
01:16:46,255 --> 01:16:48,875
do global integrated health.

1621
01:16:48,935 --> 01:16:50,955
But it's just for, it's a focus group

1622
01:16:50,955 --> 01:16:54,455
and it's more of a, let's focus on one thing

1623
01:16:54,515 --> 01:16:55,935
before we get into the big grant.

1624
01:16:55,995 --> 01:16:58,175
So this is just focusing on congestive heart failure

1625
01:16:58,185 --> 01:17:00,965
discharges who

1626
01:17:02,005 --> 01:17:04,495
otherwise don't get home health services.

1627
01:17:04,495 --> 01:17:08,775
Either they didn't want home health services or whatever,

1628
01:17:08,835 --> 01:17:10,405
or they're not insured and don't qualify

1629
01:17:10,465 --> 01:17:11,525
for home health services.

1630
01:17:12,705 --> 01:17:15,045
And it's for us to help

1631
01:17:17,055 --> 01:17:20,665
provide care or oversight of them and support until

1632
01:17:20,885 --> 01:17:23,225
and through that discharge window,

1633
01:17:23,255 --> 01:17:25,345
getting 'em into their primary care visit, getting 'em

1634
01:17:25,345 --> 01:17:27,745
to their cardiology appointment or helping facilitate that.

1635
01:17:29,485 --> 01:17:32,625
And with a target of reducing hospital readmissions in, in

1636
01:17:32,625 --> 01:17:35,545
that 30 day period is the CMS Gold standard.

1637
01:17:37,665 --> 01:17:41,765
So this agreement is with the,

1638
01:17:41,765 --> 01:17:44,045
with Central Vermont Medical Center to do that work.

1639
01:17:44,585 --> 01:17:46,805
And it would be funded through them.

1640
01:17:46,965 --> 01:17:49,125
I, I believe they have a grant also to fund it,

1641
01:17:49,665 --> 01:17:53,285
but they would be paying us versus the federal government

1642
01:17:53,285 --> 01:17:56,485
paying us to do it because it benefits them,

1643
01:17:56,705 --> 01:17:59,285
as I've told everybody, including believe all of you.

1644
01:17:59,795 --> 01:18:02,365
This is not necessarily a great business proposition

1645
01:18:02,365 --> 01:18:04,045
because we get paid to transport people,

1646
01:18:04,045 --> 01:18:05,645
but it is what's best for our community,

1647
01:18:06,525 --> 01:18:08,605
keeping them outta the hospital, keeping them at home

1648
01:18:08,605 --> 01:18:10,685
where they can recover and heal safely

1649
01:18:11,585 --> 01:18:12,605
and not in the hospital.

1650
01:18:13,595 --> 01:18:15,565
It's a goal of ours. It's a goal of the hospitals.

1651
01:18:15,565 --> 01:18:17,045
It's a goal of all of healthcare.

1652
01:18:17,945 --> 01:18:22,345
So this joint venture, we feel

1653
01:18:22,345 --> 01:18:25,305
and hope will be successful to, you know, to care

1654
01:18:25,425 --> 01:18:26,945
for the people that we care for,

1655
01:18:26,945 --> 01:18:28,425
even in emergency situations.

1656
01:18:28,885 --> 01:18:30,705
So that's what the contract is for.

1657
01:18:31,365 --> 01:18:35,965
It pays us to provide that service while we,

1658
01:18:36,745 --> 01:18:38,765
you know, tool up to the grant period,

1659
01:18:40,055 --> 01:18:42,045
which will be a lot more extensive.

1660
01:18:51,385 --> 01:18:55,355
This would cover all the towns we serve. Yep.

1661
01:18:55,535 --> 01:18:59,075
And it, it's, it's the like CVMC catchment area, Washington

1662
01:18:59,735 --> 01:19:01,595
County plus a little bit of orange, you know,

1663
01:19:01,595 --> 01:19:03,435
like Williamstown orange, you know, the areas

1664
01:19:03,435 --> 01:19:05,315
that we serve in, into the Orange County area.

1665
01:19:08,635 --> 01:19:12,455
And you're comfortable with the capacity you have. Yeah.

1666
01:19:12,525 --> 01:19:13,895
This, so this is

1667
01:19:15,075 --> 01:19:17,675
a much smaller task with just CHF.

1668
01:19:17,695 --> 01:19:21,075
So we're talking about, you know, a limited number

1669
01:19:21,075 --> 01:19:23,955
of patients, 10 a week, maybe somewhere in

1670
01:19:23,955 --> 01:19:26,075
that range versus when we get into November,

1671
01:19:26,225 --> 01:19:28,355
it's gonna be a significant amount more.

1672
01:19:28,355 --> 01:19:32,035
So right now, CBMC, for example, is doing

1673
01:19:33,315 --> 01:19:35,695
the elective joints are, you know, averaging two a day.

1674
01:19:36,155 --> 01:19:38,695
So that's 10 patients a week by itself. Right.

1675
01:19:40,035 --> 01:19:41,695
And then CHF and COPD.

1676
01:19:41,695 --> 01:19:42,815
So we're looking at, you know, triple,

1677
01:19:42,885 --> 01:19:44,095
quadruple this number.

1678
01:19:44,155 --> 01:19:46,495
So it gives us an opportunity to tool up to that level

1679
01:19:46,635 --> 01:19:49,975
and yeah, this shouldn't be

1680
01:19:50,595 --> 01:19:51,935
too much of a challenge to achieve.

1681
01:19:55,115 --> 01:19:59,635
David, how does this change from this?

1682
01:20:01,325 --> 01:20:04,615
When the grant is funding it, you still have

1683
01:20:04,615 --> 01:20:05,775
to have an agreement with somebody.

1684
01:20:06,015 --> 01:20:10,125
'cause the, the term of this is I think a year. Yeah.

1685
01:20:10,385 --> 01:20:12,765
So when we first started writing, this was a year ago,

1686
01:20:13,945 --> 01:20:18,925
but, so this will basically, it's there, but,

1687
01:20:19,225 --> 01:20:20,565
and it will still be in place and,

1688
01:20:20,565 --> 01:20:22,045
and we could defer to it if we needed to.

1689
01:20:22,465 --> 01:20:24,965
But the grant, we are the,

1690
01:20:25,105 --> 01:20:27,645
we are the named entity in the grant for funding.

1691
01:20:27,825 --> 01:20:30,885
So the hospital is not, so the funding will come to us

1692
01:20:30,985 --> 01:20:33,325
and then we'll work in partnership with the hospital to

1693
01:20:33,645 --> 01:20:34,885
'cause the patients are the hospitals

1694
01:20:34,885 --> 01:20:36,765
and they're gonna identify them and give them to us.

1695
01:20:37,105 --> 01:20:39,685
But the source of funding is the Rural Healthcare

1696
01:20:39,685 --> 01:20:40,805
Transformation grant, where this,

1697
01:20:40,825 --> 01:20:42,205
the source of funding is the hospital.

1698
01:20:42,305 --> 01:20:43,765
So they'll identify the patient

1699
01:20:43,945 --> 01:20:47,335
and they'll, so will, there'll be a separate agreement

1700
01:20:47,335 --> 01:20:49,215
because a lot of this talks about

1701
01:20:49,365 --> 01:20:51,185
what, you know we're gonna do.

1702
01:20:51,215 --> 01:20:53,505
They're gonna do, they're gonna, no, there's,

1703
01:20:53,525 --> 01:20:55,385
so there's a bunch of templates we're working on right now

1704
01:20:55,385 --> 01:20:58,945
with agency Human Services that will just, it will kind

1705
01:20:58,945 --> 01:21:00,625
of be reversed in,

1706
01:21:00,685 --> 01:21:02,505
but we'll, we actually will pay the hospital

1707
01:21:02,725 --> 01:21:04,065
for some services under the grant.

1708
01:21:05,165 --> 01:21:07,385
So it's kind of, it will pay ourselves,

1709
01:21:07,385 --> 01:21:09,465
the grant will pay us and pay the hospital for like,

1710
01:21:09,605 --> 01:21:12,065
you know, medical oversight, which here they will eat

1711
01:21:12,065 --> 01:21:15,225
that charge in-house and we won't pay for it.

1712
01:21:15,365 --> 01:21:19,485
So that, there's gotta be I think, two

1713
01:21:19,665 --> 01:21:21,525
or three agreements that come with the grant

1714
01:21:24,115 --> 01:21:26,735
for simplicity's purpose, it would be easiest just

1715
01:21:26,735 --> 01:21:30,815
to look at this agreement as a CHV centric agreement.

1716
01:21:31,555 --> 01:21:35,695
And then as the grant rolls out, we'll add addendums

1717
01:21:35,695 --> 01:21:38,175
or additional contracts to address those things.

1718
01:21:38,175 --> 01:21:39,175
Or is that not safe?

1719
01:21:39,635 --> 01:21:41,815
No, this will be standalone agreement

1720
01:21:42,115 --> 01:21:43,855
and then the grant will be a separate agreement

1721
01:21:43,855 --> 01:21:45,735
because it's gonna be kind of flipped.

1722
01:21:46,115 --> 01:21:49,415
We will be the payer, we will pay them for certain services,

1723
01:21:49,475 --> 01:21:52,335
but then we'll pay ourselves, they won't be paying us

1724
01:21:52,335 --> 01:21:54,215
for anything once the grant period hits.

1725
01:21:55,185 --> 01:21:57,175
Right. I guess maybe I didn't ask the question correctly.

1726
01:22:00,425 --> 01:22:03,965
I'm looking at this as almost like the pilot agreement

1727
01:22:04,105 --> 01:22:05,525
for the congestive heart failures.

1728
01:22:05,825 --> 01:22:08,885
But if we move into doing the joint replacements,

1729
01:22:09,245 --> 01:22:11,325
there'll be an addendum to this agreement

1730
01:22:11,705 --> 01:22:13,125
or Well, we right on this,

1731
01:22:14,035 --> 01:22:15,385
it'll be completely separate agreement

1732
01:22:15,495 --> 01:22:17,225
that will list all three of those things in it.

1733
01:22:17,225 --> 01:22:20,905
This will be the backstop, basically, if something falls

1734
01:22:20,905 --> 01:22:23,625
through that this is a template that Yeah, yeah,

1735
01:22:25,935 --> 01:22:30,885
To that point it says

1736
01:22:30,885 --> 01:22:33,885
that it's gonna provide certain in-home care services,

1737
01:22:33,945 --> 01:22:38,555
it doesn't say just cardiac in

1738
01:22:38,555 --> 01:22:40,995
inpatient care or emergency department.

1739
01:22:41,995 --> 01:22:44,815
If this, if this particular agreement is just for,

1740
01:22:45,885 --> 01:22:48,735
Yeah, it's, it's for congestive heart failure diagnosis.

1741
01:22:49,075 --> 01:22:51,495
But that may include lab draws, EKGs, there's,

1742
01:22:51,495 --> 01:22:54,055
there's other services that come along with that diagnosis.

1743
01:22:54,445 --> 01:22:59,125
Okay. So it just, it's given us the width

1744
01:22:59,145 --> 01:23:03,045
of not having to, to Todd's point, make addendums if,

1745
01:23:03,105 --> 01:23:05,485
if there's a certain piece of care, it's more broad so

1746
01:23:05,485 --> 01:23:08,525
that there's, if we do need to go bring somebody

1747
01:23:08,525 --> 01:23:10,685
to a doctor's appointment for their ch HF follow up,

1748
01:23:11,015 --> 01:23:12,365
we're not necessarily providing home care,

1749
01:23:12,365 --> 01:23:13,805
we're transporting to their primary care office.

1750
01:23:13,865 --> 01:23:15,365
But this would pay that happen

1751
01:23:21,025 --> 01:23:23,195
because that's not a billable service under Medicare.

1752
01:23:25,865 --> 01:23:30,285
I see. Any questions? No, I read it ahead of time.

1753
01:23:30,285 --> 01:23:32,405
It would not, you know, the fact

1754
01:23:32,405 --> 01:23:34,525
that the lawyers happy with it,

1755
01:23:36,795 --> 01:23:37,965
It's full lawyer ask.

1756
01:23:38,665 --> 01:23:40,915
So you're comfortable with it. So

1757
01:23:41,585 --> 01:23:42,585
Yeah, I'm good.

1758
01:23:42,675 --> 01:23:45,355
I I'm happy to make a motion

1759
01:23:45,355 --> 01:23:47,875
unless our online pads. How I'm

1760
01:23:47,875 --> 01:23:48,875
Gonna ask Mr.

1761
01:23:48,875 --> 01:23:50,435
Sui, You got any questions or comments?

1762
01:23:52,245 --> 01:23:56,295
Nope, I'm good. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

1763
01:23:57,415 --> 01:24:00,055
I do have a couple. I, I

1764
01:24:00,925 --> 01:24:03,735
presume there's not any changes needed to our insurance

1765
01:24:03,835 --> 01:24:05,335
as we're already going into people's homes.

1766
01:24:07,125 --> 01:24:11,015
Correct. We, I've already ran our insurance through a HS

1767
01:24:11,015 --> 01:24:12,655
for the other grant and they're good with it. So,

1768
01:24:13,325 --> 01:24:14,325
Okay.

1769
01:24:14,395 --> 01:24:18,005
And so if there,

1770
01:24:18,635 --> 01:24:19,965
this is grant funded,

1771
01:24:20,395 --> 01:24:21,885
what if there's no grant money next

1772
01:24:21,885 --> 01:24:22,965
year, does this just cease

1773
01:24:26,235 --> 01:24:27,235
Which part?

1774
01:24:27,235 --> 01:24:27,865
The grant or this part?

1775
01:24:29,545 --> 01:24:31,715
Well, when, I guess, let me rephrase that.

1776
01:24:31,825 --> 01:24:34,715
When, when we're outta money, what happens?

1777
01:24:36,075 --> 01:24:38,215
So if we were outta money, yes,

1778
01:24:38,415 --> 01:24:42,725
I presumably it would cease, I feel strongly

1779
01:24:42,995 --> 01:24:44,725
that this is gonna show a benefit.

1780
01:24:44,945 --> 01:24:47,965
And the hospital system, even if we run outta grant money,

1781
01:24:47,965 --> 01:24:49,085
we'll want to continue to fund it.

1782
01:24:49,145 --> 01:24:53,715
Or the insurance industry is gonna realize

1783
01:24:53,715 --> 01:24:54,795
that it's a cost savings

1784
01:24:55,015 --> 01:24:57,395
and will implement ways to fund it long term.

1785
01:24:58,155 --> 01:25:01,995
'cause mobile integrated healthcare is the future

1786
01:25:02,095 --> 01:25:05,355
of providing care outside of an institution.

1787
01:25:05,775 --> 01:25:09,195
In fact, in Boston currently they do hospitalization at home

1788
01:25:09,845 --> 01:25:12,315
where you go, if you go to the doc, if you go

1789
01:25:12,315 --> 01:25:16,475
to the hospital and you need to be admitted for antibiotics

1790
01:25:16,475 --> 01:25:18,515
because you have pneumonia, they'll send you home,

1791
01:25:19,425 --> 01:25:21,275
they'll bring all the monitoring stuff, they'll come

1792
01:25:21,275 --> 01:25:23,355
to your house, they'll set it all up, you'll,

1793
01:25:23,615 --> 01:25:25,915
and you'll be institutionalized in your own

1794
01:25:25,915 --> 01:25:26,995
home getting the treatment.

1795
01:25:27,175 --> 01:25:29,875
And they follow up with you daily, you know,

1796
01:25:29,875 --> 01:25:31,195
twice a day, three times a day.

1797
01:25:31,625 --> 01:25:35,315
Because at your home is the, in a, in a lot of cases,

1798
01:25:35,535 --> 01:25:37,035
the safest place for you to recover.

1799
01:25:39,735 --> 01:25:44,245
So the, it's not, this is not something I anticipate that

1800
01:25:44,945 --> 01:25:47,125
us as a nationwide

1801
01:25:47,125 --> 01:25:48,925
that's moving away from this is something I

1802
01:25:49,615 --> 01:25:51,965
anticipate broadening as we move forward.

1803
01:25:52,475 --> 01:25:53,645
This is a step in trying

1804
01:25:53,645 --> 01:25:55,445
to get healthcare costs under control.

1805
01:25:57,565 --> 01:25:58,575
Okay. And then

1806
01:25:59,855 --> 01:26:01,055
I will stay away from that one.

1807
01:26:02,555 --> 01:26:05,565
Not under control or, or redo, I should say.

1808
01:26:06,325 --> 01:26:08,005
I think, I mean, what was the,

1809
01:26:08,915 --> 01:26:13,635
what was the rehospitalization disqualification number

1810
01:26:13,855 --> 01:26:16,915
for congestive heart failure for last year or for measured?

1811
01:26:16,995 --> 01:26:18,795
I mean, you, you may not be at liberty to say that,

1812
01:26:18,795 --> 01:26:22,355
but yeah, every hospital ICMS rates, every hospital,

1813
01:26:22,355 --> 01:26:24,075
they look at every hospital and their readmissions.

1814
01:26:24,075 --> 01:26:25,955
And that's one of the, this is one of the things

1815
01:26:25,955 --> 01:26:27,915
that they're targeting in this grant work

1816
01:26:27,915 --> 01:26:29,595
because congestive heart failure

1817
01:26:29,595 --> 01:26:32,235
and COPD patients are being readmitted to institutions

1818
01:26:33,145 --> 01:26:34,715
more than they should be or more than

1819
01:26:34,715 --> 01:26:35,795
the government feels they should be.

1820
01:26:35,795 --> 01:26:38,755
So this is a way to try to keep them out of the hospital.

1821
01:26:40,215 --> 01:26:43,455
Because right now if you're, if you get discharged

1822
01:26:43,455 --> 01:26:45,135
with congestive heart failure exacerbation

1823
01:26:45,135 --> 01:26:46,415
and they've treated and they send you home

1824
01:26:46,715 --> 01:26:50,175
and you go back in less than 30 days for the same treatment,

1825
01:26:50,975 --> 01:26:52,585
they, the hospitals get dinged for that.

1826
01:26:52,815 --> 01:26:54,185
They, they can't bill for services.

1827
01:26:54,255 --> 01:26:55,345
They goes against their records,

1828
01:26:55,345 --> 01:26:57,225
their CMS scores and all that kind of stuff.

1829
01:26:57,325 --> 01:27:02,185
So they, there is a big push from the hospitals,

1830
01:27:02,185 --> 01:27:03,185
which is one

1831
01:27:03,185 --> 01:27:05,065
of the reasons they wanna fund some of this to get it started.

1832
01:27:06,285 --> 01:27:08,585
But hospitals across Vermont, across the nation

1833
01:27:08,685 --> 01:27:10,625
to reduce their readmission numbers

1834
01:27:12,485 --> 01:27:15,265
and, you know, provide good healthcare overall. And

1835
01:27:15,265 --> 01:27:17,505
You providing the in-home care doesn't count against them.

1836
01:27:17,975 --> 01:27:20,665
Correct. It's only if they get readmitted to,

1837
01:27:20,775 --> 01:27:22,865
they can even go to the emergency department.

1838
01:27:22,985 --> 01:27:24,545
'cause the emergency department's considered an outpatient

1839
01:27:24,545 --> 01:27:26,425
clinic, they can go there and get treatment as long

1840
01:27:26,425 --> 01:27:28,985
as they don't get readmitted into the hospital for care.

1841
01:27:29,375 --> 01:27:30,545
That doesn't count against 'em.

1842
01:27:30,545 --> 01:27:32,825
So there's, you know, like people think same day surgery,

1843
01:27:32,825 --> 01:27:34,625
outpatient clinic, like there's all these,

1844
01:27:34,695 --> 01:27:36,585
they're in the hospital, but they're not an

1845
01:27:36,895 --> 01:27:38,265
inpatient operation.

1846
01:27:41,615 --> 01:27:45,535
Okay. And, and,

1847
01:27:46,195 --> 01:27:50,535
and exhibit a bullet point e

1848
01:27:52,045 --> 01:27:53,995
talks about, we may pick up medications

1849
01:27:54,975 --> 01:27:57,315
and provide transportation to medical appointments.

1850
01:28:01,175 --> 01:28:04,475
That's a little different than, than in-home care or,

1851
01:28:04,475 --> 01:28:05,675
or checkups or whatnot.

1852
01:28:06,015 --> 01:28:09,365
How do we plan to cover this workload?

1853
01:28:09,385 --> 01:28:11,925
What's this, what, how are we staffing this?

1854
01:28:12,705 --> 01:28:15,285
So as I was telling Todd,

1855
01:28:15,635 --> 01:28:17,885
this is a pretty manageable number.

1856
01:28:18,145 --> 01:28:20,045
And what that means is one of the, one

1857
01:28:20,045 --> 01:28:22,085
of the readmissions we've seen in the past is

1858
01:28:23,235 --> 01:28:24,555
patients are getting discharged from the hospital

1859
01:28:25,135 --> 01:28:28,595
and they get taken home by us

1860
01:28:28,695 --> 01:28:30,395
or in a wheelchair van or something like that.

1861
01:28:31,055 --> 01:28:33,915
Our ambulances drive them to their house, they get 'em

1862
01:28:33,915 --> 01:28:35,835
inside, they get 'em into bed on the couch in the

1863
01:28:35,835 --> 01:28:37,395
chair, all set.

1864
01:28:37,395 --> 01:28:38,875
Thank you. Have a nice day. Off we go.

1865
01:28:40,785 --> 01:28:43,365
If they don't have their medications at home,

1866
01:28:44,275 --> 01:28:46,005
they just had a knee replacement,

1867
01:28:46,005 --> 01:28:48,885
they just had COPD exacerbation, whatever they,

1868
01:28:48,885 --> 01:28:51,605
they realize they get home like, oh, I don't have

1869
01:28:52,455 --> 01:28:53,715
any medication for my nebulizer.

1870
01:28:54,405 --> 01:28:55,985
You know what we're doing at two 30 in the morning,

1871
01:28:57,125 --> 01:28:58,775
come back, getting 'em taken back to the hospital.

1872
01:28:59,395 --> 01:29:02,525
So in this, that's why I was saying this is a pretty broad

1873
01:29:03,035 --> 01:29:06,125
view on this contract is if someone does need a ride home,

1874
01:29:06,145 --> 01:29:08,165
we might take 'em home to the manager's point in the SUV,

1875
01:29:08,165 --> 01:29:09,165
we might stop at the pharmacy

1876
01:29:09,165 --> 01:29:10,245
and pick up their meds so

1877
01:29:10,245 --> 01:29:11,485
that we're not there at two 30 in the morning,

1878
01:29:11,485 --> 01:29:12,685
pick 'em up, take 'em back to the hospital.

1879
01:29:14,545 --> 01:29:18,165
So that's, or if they can't, if they're home bound,

1880
01:29:18,255 --> 01:29:20,845
we've done it a couple of times on special circumstances.

1881
01:29:20,905 --> 01:29:22,565
But if they're home bound, but they really need

1882
01:29:22,565 --> 01:29:24,605
to get into their podiatry appointment

1883
01:29:24,925 --> 01:29:26,365
'cause they have some foot issues or they need

1884
01:29:26,365 --> 01:29:28,205
to get into the primary care office for an evaluation

1885
01:29:28,205 --> 01:29:29,565
because some medications,

1886
01:29:29,565 --> 01:29:31,725
the docs won't re-prescribe without a checkup,

1887
01:29:31,985 --> 01:29:33,245
but the patient can't physically get there.

1888
01:29:33,245 --> 01:29:34,165
We might go get them and

1889
01:29:34,165 --> 01:29:35,325
bring them to their doctor's appointment.

1890
01:29:36,425 --> 01:29:38,685
If we don't do that, we're gonna be going

1891
01:29:38,685 --> 01:29:39,925
to get 'em and take 'em to the hospital.

1892
01:29:39,985 --> 01:29:42,325
So a lot of this is crafted around avoiding

1893
01:29:42,965 --> 01:29:44,245
bringing them back to the hospital and,

1894
01:29:44,545 --> 01:29:45,725
and to keep them out of the hospital.

1895
01:29:46,975 --> 01:29:49,635
But Justin's point ex expand a little bit.

1896
01:29:49,655 --> 01:29:50,955
So everything's out there that,

1897
01:29:50,955 --> 01:29:54,305
what happens when the grant kicks in as far as staffing?

1898
01:29:54,305 --> 01:29:59,225
Yeah, so when the grant kicks in, we

1899
01:30:00,565 --> 01:30:04,795
prior to coming up to the grant period, we will have to

1900
01:30:05,355 --> 01:30:08,115
spool up staffing the grant period.

1901
01:30:10,225 --> 01:30:12,685
We will either use current per diem staff, you know,

1902
01:30:12,785 --> 01:30:16,685
add some more staff that who want to do this work

1903
01:30:17,155 --> 01:30:19,485
because then we're gonna be looking at,

1904
01:30:20,525 --> 01:30:24,645
I think the application I put in was somewhere I'd have,

1905
01:30:24,705 --> 01:30:26,845
I'd have to get it out, but somewhere between a hundred

1906
01:30:26,865 --> 01:30:30,925
and 140 hours a week concentrated on this work.

1907
01:30:32,055 --> 01:30:35,505
So, so if that answers your question,

1908
01:30:35,605 --> 01:30:36,865
it will be significantly more.

1909
01:30:36,865 --> 01:30:40,065
Right now I don't anticipate it being more than 10

1910
01:30:40,065 --> 01:30:41,105
to 15 hours a week.

1911
01:30:41,715 --> 01:30:44,465
Maybe 20 on a busy week,

1912
01:30:44,565 --> 01:30:45,985
but not, again,

1913
01:30:45,985 --> 01:30:49,585
it's one single scope versus a much wider project.

1914
01:30:50,645 --> 01:30:52,825
So when the grant kicks in, that's two and a half to three

1915
01:30:52,825 --> 01:30:53,225
and a half

1916
01:30:53,735 --> 01:30:57,865
full-time p positions.

1917
01:31:00,075 --> 01:31:02,715
I don't, as I was talking with the manager,

1918
01:31:02,915 --> 01:31:05,455
I don't anticipate we will hire three

1919
01:31:05,455 --> 01:31:07,015
or four full-time people to do this work.

1920
01:31:07,385 --> 01:31:11,445
Maybe one, because again, the, this grant is for

1921
01:31:12,055 --> 01:31:13,425
through July of next year.

1922
01:31:15,355 --> 01:31:17,985
There is, there are indications that, you know,

1923
01:31:17,985 --> 01:31:19,545
it will be funded for another year,

1924
01:31:19,565 --> 01:31:20,865
but that we're not there yet.

1925
01:31:22,645 --> 01:31:25,825
So I don't wanna, you know, try to get a bunch

1926
01:31:25,825 --> 01:31:28,345
of full-time staff and then are they outta work in the year?

1927
01:31:28,455 --> 01:31:30,585
Like that's not how I want this to roll out.

1928
01:31:30,605 --> 01:31:35,435
So we would probably, we did, you know,

1929
01:31:35,435 --> 01:31:38,515
we do have some staffing that we can, you know, move

1930
01:31:38,515 --> 01:31:42,735
around if need be to cover some of this work.

1931
01:31:42,735 --> 01:31:46,855
Like right now, Haley for example, who is one

1932
01:31:46,855 --> 01:31:49,555
of our float medics is covering, you know,

1933
01:31:49,555 --> 01:31:51,035
24 hour shift on the weekends.

1934
01:31:51,055 --> 01:31:52,955
You know, can we massage that?

1935
01:31:53,015 --> 01:31:54,715
And Phil, you know, there's, there's a lot

1936
01:31:54,715 --> 01:31:56,635
of scheduling flexibility that we can do

1937
01:31:56,635 --> 01:32:00,685
with our current operation back to the point

1938
01:32:00,685 --> 01:32:02,325
of onboarding five new paramedics.

1939
01:32:02,325 --> 01:32:05,325
So we have some flexibility in our operation to do this work

1940
01:32:05,425 --> 01:32:07,525
or I wouldn't be, you know, looking to do it.

1941
01:32:09,675 --> 01:32:13,465
Just gonna be getting to November

1942
01:32:13,565 --> 01:32:15,665
and seeing what the workload's gonna

1943
01:32:15,665 --> 01:32:16,945
be when the grant kicks in.

1944
01:32:17,185 --> 01:32:19,345
I know you've thought about it without a doubt. Yeah.

1945
01:32:19,485 --> 01:32:21,345
Oh yeah. And plenty of thoughts.

1946
01:32:21,585 --> 01:32:25,995
I, I'll let you continue to spool up in your mind

1947
01:32:27,295 --> 01:32:29,595
if you'd like to see if, if any of you would like,

1948
01:32:29,715 --> 01:32:34,075
I can certainly share with you the 20 some odd page

1949
01:32:34,885 --> 01:32:36,675
grant letter of intent for the grant,

1950
01:32:36,675 --> 01:32:39,585
which is a grant application, has a lot of thought,

1951
01:32:39,585 --> 01:32:42,585
which has a, a, a remarkable amount of my thoughts in it.

1952
01:32:46,455 --> 01:32:48,995
And you're comfortable at least at the moment

1953
01:32:49,105 --> 01:32:51,125
that you can pull this off.

1954
01:32:51,825 --> 01:32:54,825
Significant additional new staff Yes.

1955
01:32:55,005 --> 01:32:56,745
And complimenting with per diems, et cetera,

1956
01:32:56,745 --> 01:32:57,865
and massaging your schedule.

1957
01:32:58,165 --> 01:33:02,725
Yep, no doubt. Thank you.

1958
01:33:02,725 --> 01:33:06,175
Make your word for that. We're back to that.

1959
01:33:06,235 --> 01:33:08,175
You know, some of those ideas I have

1960
01:33:08,885 --> 01:33:10,655
Tracy's getting to peek into it.

1961
01:33:11,715 --> 01:33:13,095
That's deserved. And then

1962
01:33:14,745 --> 01:33:17,345
are you, that happened?

1963
01:33:18,575 --> 01:33:20,785
Anybody? What does, I don't know, do anything else?

1964
01:33:21,485 --> 01:33:22,485
I'm just gonna say what's the

1965
01:33:23,115 --> 01:33:24,115
Board?

1966
01:33:24,115 --> 01:33:27,745
So I would make a motion to approve the

1967
01:33:28,325 --> 01:33:30,265
mobile health services agreement

1968
01:33:30,265 --> 01:33:32,025
between the Berry Town Ambulance

1969
01:33:32,205 --> 01:33:33,865
and Central Vermont Medical Center

1970
01:33:35,645 --> 01:33:38,025
and authorize the town manager to sign that.

1971
01:33:38,665 --> 01:33:41,625
I would second that. I

1972
01:33:41,625 --> 01:33:42,625
Have a motion in a second.

1973
01:33:43,445 --> 01:33:48,125
Is there any other discussion? I'll call the question.

1974
01:33:48,185 --> 01:33:49,725
All those in favor say aye.

1975
01:33:50,305 --> 01:33:52,165
Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye.

1976
01:33:56,075 --> 01:33:59,355
Congratulations David. Thank you.

1977
01:33:59,755 --> 01:34:03,445
I think a

1978
01:34:03,595 --> 01:34:07,245
that has us moving on to approving,

1979
01:34:07,565 --> 01:34:09,485
consider approving a three year billing agreement

1980
01:34:09,555 --> 01:34:11,805
with Digi computer LLC,

1981
01:34:12,395 --> 01:34:14,545
which formally was quick note claims.

1982
01:34:15,175 --> 01:34:19,105
They are the billing company that Berry Town EMS uses.

1983
01:34:26,095 --> 01:34:30,365
Three years ago the town changed the EMS billing service and

1984
01:34:30,365 --> 01:34:32,445
after competitive bidding process, quick claim,

1985
01:34:32,965 --> 01:34:34,445
quick med claims of Pittsburgh,

1986
01:34:34,465 --> 01:34:36,485
PA was chosen to handle the billing.

1987
01:34:36,795 --> 01:34:38,885
That change, which resulted in paying percentage

1988
01:34:38,885 --> 01:34:42,805
of each dollar collected by QMC instead of a per bill model,

1989
01:34:42,825 --> 01:34:44,285
has to some degree put Barry Town

1990
01:34:44,405 --> 01:34:45,765
EMS on much better footing.

1991
01:34:46,485 --> 01:34:48,885
QMC has provided quality billing services,

1992
01:34:48,885 --> 01:34:50,885
including real-time access to billing data

1993
01:34:50,985 --> 01:34:52,965
and support has been good as well.

1994
01:34:53,135 --> 01:34:55,285
David supports continuing this arrangement.

1995
01:34:55,985 --> 01:34:58,325
The one changes that, as we discussed earlier,

1996
01:34:58,565 --> 01:35:00,965
QMC was acquired by Digit tech computer

1997
01:35:01,425 --> 01:35:03,605
and is now integrated into its operations.

1998
01:35:04,265 --> 01:35:06,405
So this agreement would be with tech

1999
01:35:06,425 --> 01:35:11,325
and not MC the manager supports

2000
01:35:11,325 --> 01:35:13,325
David's recommendation to continue the billing service.

2001
01:35:15,315 --> 01:35:17,445
This arrangement is proven highly successful

2002
01:35:17,675 --> 01:35:19,765
with time collection rates, far exceeding

2003
01:35:19,765 --> 01:35:21,685
what they have been in the past and fewer transfers

2004
01:35:21,685 --> 01:35:24,485
to collections the town attorney has reviewed.

2005
01:35:24,545 --> 01:35:27,005
And other than minor edit edits is

2006
01:35:27,005 --> 01:35:28,085
signed off on the agreement.

2007
01:35:31,345 --> 01:35:33,565
We have any discussion questions?

2008
01:35:34,545 --> 01:35:37,245
My only question is just making sure David is confident

2009
01:35:37,245 --> 01:35:40,585
that the transition will go as smoothly

2010
01:35:40,765 --> 01:35:42,345
as these transitions go

2011
01:35:42,365 --> 01:35:44,945
and that he doesn't have any concerns with regard to ongoing

2012
01:35:46,885 --> 01:35:49,615
billing, customer support service, et cetera, et cetera.

2013
01:35:50,675 --> 01:35:52,975
To answer your question, I don't, it's been smooth so far.

2014
01:35:52,985 --> 01:35:54,575
We've seen it's been seamless.

2015
01:35:54,765 --> 01:35:56,935
I've seen nothing say, I think the transition

2016
01:35:57,515 --> 01:36:00,495
for us has essentially already occurred.

2017
01:36:00,895 --> 01:36:01,935
I think we got our first or

2018
01:36:01,935 --> 01:36:03,095
second bill already with their name.

2019
01:36:03,095 --> 01:36:04,215
It's already been rebranded. Yeah,

2020
01:36:04,395 --> 01:36:07,975
so I I I don't anticipate, I don't anticipate there being

2021
01:36:08,685 --> 01:36:09,895
much of a transition here go.

2022
01:36:09,895 --> 01:36:12,975
Yeah, I think they've done a good job with it so far.

2023
01:36:13,045 --> 01:36:15,655
It's been pretty like I honestly,

2024
01:36:16,655 --> 01:36:18,245
other than Marie's email changing,

2025
01:36:18,445 --> 01:36:21,005
I have no noticed nothing different other than the manager

2026
01:36:21,005 --> 01:36:23,565
saying, hey, the, the new invoice has digitech on it.

2027
01:36:23,565 --> 01:36:25,085
Like, you know, they, they've transitioned

2028
01:36:25,085 --> 01:36:27,165
that over to further that.

2029
01:36:28,195 --> 01:36:30,475
I will tell you, while I think we're in a much better place,

2030
01:36:31,835 --> 01:36:33,165
they're doing a great job.

2031
01:36:34,305 --> 01:36:36,405
The access to information I have is phenomenal,

2032
01:36:38,455 --> 01:36:41,315
but my least favorite thing to do would be

2033
01:36:41,315 --> 01:36:42,955
to transition billing companies again

2034
01:36:42,955 --> 01:36:44,875
because absolutely that was project.

2035
01:36:45,375 --> 01:36:49,455
So I'm one, I'm extremely happy that we're two.

2036
01:36:49,975 --> 01:36:52,695
I have no interest in changing billing companies. Yeah.

2037
01:36:54,015 --> 01:36:57,095
I mean months of, of just, they, they require

2038
01:36:57,095 --> 01:36:59,815
so much information, which I get, but it just, yeah.

2039
01:37:00,155 --> 01:37:01,575
So no, no one's advocating for that.

2040
01:37:01,735 --> 01:37:03,095
I just wanna make sure they're meeting your needs.

2041
01:37:03,275 --> 01:37:05,085
Yes, they're our needs.

2042
01:37:05,785 --> 01:37:07,885
Our, they, they're, they're record keeping.

2043
01:37:08,065 --> 01:37:09,565
We have to pay the ambulance tax.

2044
01:37:09,765 --> 01:37:13,565
I send 'em an email, they send me the down like they,

2045
01:37:13,955 --> 01:37:15,525
they've made my job much easier.

2046
01:37:18,825 --> 01:37:19,725
Any other discussion?

2047
01:37:24,355 --> 01:37:28,335
Is the, the fee is still the same for three more years.

2048
01:37:29,005 --> 01:37:32,215
Yeah. Which I was surprised but I didn't complain.

2049
01:37:34,645 --> 01:37:36,605
I would move to authorize the town manager

2050
01:37:36,665 --> 01:37:38,405
to sign the billing services agreement

2051
01:37:38,595 --> 01:37:43,325
with Digitech computer LLC of Chappaqua New York for a time

2052
01:37:43,325 --> 01:37:47,205
of three years, which is a continuation of the Quick Me

2053
01:37:47,745 --> 01:37:52,035
claims billing contract under new names.

2054
01:37:52,755 --> 01:37:55,715
I would second that. I got that, that name right now.

2055
01:37:57,605 --> 01:38:00,465
We have, yes. H Tech computer. LLC.

2056
01:38:02,245 --> 01:38:03,305
You have a motion and a second.

2057
01:38:03,945 --> 01:38:07,275
There's no further discussion. I'll call a question.

2058
01:38:07,295 --> 01:38:08,555
All those in favor say aye.

2059
01:38:09,385 --> 01:38:14,285
Aye. Aye. Mr. Susie, I didn't hear you.

2060
01:38:18,095 --> 01:38:20,815
I was using my inside voice. Aye.

2061
01:38:21,645 --> 01:38:25,125
Thank you guys have it.

2062
01:38:27,235 --> 01:38:30,455
Congratulations again David. Thank you.

2063
01:38:31,905 --> 01:38:35,815
We'll move on to number 10, which is

2064
01:38:36,975 --> 01:38:40,975
considering a campaign signed placement policy

2065
01:38:41,925 --> 01:38:43,195
discussion has been ongoing

2066
01:38:43,195 --> 01:38:45,075
for years about creating this policy.

2067
01:38:46,015 --> 01:38:48,435
Be a policy would provide definitive information

2068
01:38:48,435 --> 01:38:50,195
for candidates and their supporters on where

2069
01:38:50,195 --> 01:38:51,915
and when campaign signs can be

2070
01:38:51,915 --> 01:38:55,875
placed and where they cannot.

2071
01:38:55,985 --> 01:38:59,115
This issue comes up every year that there's an election.

2072
01:38:59,305 --> 01:39:02,035
This policy makes it clear that campaign signs cannot

2073
01:39:03,055 --> 01:39:05,315
be placed on town owned or controlled property

2074
01:39:05,315 --> 01:39:07,435
and the signs can be placed in the right of way as long

2075
01:39:07,435 --> 01:39:10,115
as it's within a two week window before an election.

2076
01:39:10,265 --> 01:39:12,755
They're placed in a way that does not create a hazard.

2077
01:39:14,335 --> 01:39:15,475
I'd like to avoid the inevitable,

2078
01:39:15,805 --> 01:39:17,915
inevitable controversy in advance

2079
01:39:17,915 --> 01:39:19,475
of the upcoming midterm election

2080
01:39:19,475 --> 01:39:20,795
by putting this policy in place.

2081
01:39:20,975 --> 01:39:22,195
Now Tina

2082
01:39:22,295 --> 01:39:25,515
and I produced the policy, Mike Money has reviewed it

2083
01:39:25,515 --> 01:39:27,795
and with only a few minor edits endorsed it

2084
01:39:28,095 --> 01:39:30,645
and that that was from the

2085
01:39:30,645 --> 01:39:33,575
manager discussion.

2086
01:39:36,485 --> 01:39:38,325
I just have one quick question

2087
01:39:38,385 --> 01:39:40,565
or clarification on article number eight.

2088
01:39:41,955 --> 01:39:43,885
That there any time to go to the municipal building

2089
01:39:43,985 --> 01:39:46,245
for a reasonable period and discard that.

2090
01:39:46,305 --> 01:39:47,885
I'm wondering what the reasonable period is

2091
01:39:47,885 --> 01:39:50,285
or if there's a thought on that or we should put a time

2092
01:39:50,395 --> 01:39:51,395
It's like we do now.

2093
01:39:51,765 --> 01:39:55,045
I mean a few weeks, a month, something like that.

2094
01:39:55,565 --> 01:39:57,725
I don't know that I'd want to put an actual date on it.

2095
01:39:58,225 --> 01:40:00,325
You know, give it some flexibility.

2096
01:40:01,995 --> 01:40:05,465
Most of the time they don't come get 'em.

2097
01:40:06,995 --> 01:40:09,905
Maybe with an actual policy and a clear direction.

2098
01:40:09,905 --> 01:40:12,145
They would, so first time I'd probably,

2099
01:40:12,185 --> 01:40:14,505
I mean quite frankly, they don't take up a lot of room,

2100
01:40:15,715 --> 01:40:16,825
still have some down there.

2101
01:40:17,925 --> 01:40:22,575
I'd be current board member signs downstairs. Oh, okay.

2102
01:40:24,835 --> 01:40:28,125
Good. Does the policy have anything in place to contact

2103
01:40:28,735 --> 01:40:30,685
those people who have signs? Yeah,

2104
01:40:30,765 --> 01:40:31,765
I think we would.

2105
01:40:31,765 --> 01:40:35,445
The policy doesn't, but I think we would try to do that.

2106
01:40:35,755 --> 01:40:38,975
Okay. We're gonna be,

2107
01:40:39,315 --> 01:40:41,335
we don't pull there in many of 'em,

2108
01:40:41,595 --> 01:40:43,615
we haven't in the past 'cause we haven't had a policy.

2109
01:40:44,925 --> 01:40:47,865
But if they're clearly on

2110
01:40:48,285 --> 01:40:52,595
or near a town building or something like that, we

2111
01:40:52,695 --> 01:40:54,845
or an island, you know,

2112
01:40:54,845 --> 01:40:56,645
we have pulled them if they're in the right of way.

2113
01:40:57,065 --> 01:41:00,325
But this'll actually give us a little more.

2114
01:41:01,985 --> 01:41:03,595
Well, what I hope is we won't have to

2115
01:41:04,025 --> 01:41:05,915
because we'll have a policy now

2116
01:41:05,935 --> 01:41:09,155
and Tina will be able to distribute this to candidates

2117
01:41:09,455 --> 01:41:11,075
as they pick out paperwork

2118
01:41:11,295 --> 01:41:14,635
or submit their, their, their,

2119
01:41:15,245 --> 01:41:16,395
their paperwork

2120
01:41:17,815 --> 01:41:20,715
and so that they'll have a better idea as well as

2121
01:41:21,795 --> 01:41:23,795
residents when they're putting signs up.

2122
01:41:23,865 --> 01:41:26,515
They can put 'em on their land whenever they want,

2123
01:41:27,295 --> 01:41:29,935
but they really should put them in front

2124
01:41:29,935 --> 01:41:31,535
of their houses in the right of way.

2125
01:41:31,735 --> 01:41:33,775
'cause it's still the right of ways. Set 'em back 10

2126
01:41:33,775 --> 01:41:34,895
feet or whatever.

2127
01:41:36,395 --> 01:41:40,175
So the hope is is that as we educate people more

2128
01:41:40,275 --> 01:41:42,935
and more, there'll be less need both signs.

2129
01:41:47,225 --> 01:41:49,265
Mr. Nelson? Yes sir.

2130
01:41:50,265 --> 01:41:53,745
I, I have something under Article 10.

2131
01:41:56,625 --> 01:42:00,155
This would be, you know, the select board town manager,

2132
01:42:00,555 --> 01:42:02,235
director of public works highway superintendent

2133
01:42:02,295 --> 01:42:06,295
or designee may apply the policy to inquiries

2134
01:42:06,475 --> 01:42:07,535
and sign removal.

2135
01:42:08,255 --> 01:42:12,175
I don't believe the select board of all belongs in

2136
01:42:12,175 --> 01:42:13,855
that group of people.

2137
01:42:15,915 --> 01:42:18,615
It would take action from all of us by the time it went

2138
01:42:18,615 --> 01:42:20,375
through that channel, it would've already been

2139
01:42:20,375 --> 01:42:22,615
through your office, Mr.

2140
01:42:22,615 --> 01:42:26,095
Manager. And the fact that we,

2141
01:42:26,795 --> 01:42:29,135
our board elects two members every year.

2142
01:42:31,185 --> 01:42:35,885
I, that if not problematic now could be in the future.

2143
01:42:37,805 --> 01:42:39,785
And I'm not aware of any other policy

2144
01:42:39,875 --> 01:42:44,185
where an individual select board member is able

2145
01:42:44,205 --> 01:42:46,025
to act.

2146
01:42:49,835 --> 01:42:52,125
It's normally something where

2147
01:42:53,345 --> 01:42:55,285
the select board will discuss it and

2148
01:42:55,425 --> 01:42:57,525
or bring it to bring it to town staff.

2149
01:42:59,405 --> 01:43:03,565
I think this, I think it's problematic

2150
01:43:03,565 --> 01:43:04,725
having the select board.

2151
01:43:05,605 --> 01:43:08,365
I I would agree with you just from the optic side.

2152
01:43:08,365 --> 01:43:10,965
So maybe we could, if we just struck the select board

2153
01:43:10,965 --> 01:43:12,205
and just left it with town manager

2154
01:43:12,305 --> 01:43:14,965
and Yeah, I wouldn't envision the select board going out

2155
01:43:14,965 --> 01:43:17,245
and removing signs, but I think the select board certainly

2156
01:43:17,855 --> 01:43:20,125
could, you know, direct that.

2157
01:43:20,435 --> 01:43:22,125
Yeah. If we directed a designee,

2158
01:43:22,425 --> 01:43:25,845
it could be looked upon poorly as the influencing something,

2159
01:43:27,045 --> 01:43:28,675
which I don't think is necessary anyway.

2160
01:43:29,445 --> 01:43:31,145
What's that? That had a direct effect

2161
01:43:31,225 --> 01:43:32,385
on us. Yeah, I agree. Yeah,

2162
01:43:33,225 --> 01:43:35,945
I I don't think a campaign sign is something that rises to

2163
01:43:36,645 --> 01:43:38,825
the level of board action.

2164
01:43:40,165 --> 01:43:41,565
I think that town staff is,

2165
01:43:41,745 --> 01:43:45,745
is absolutely more than qualified to, to handle it.

2166
01:43:47,815 --> 01:43:50,835
Sounds good. Yeah. And I, I, you know, the

2167
01:43:51,045 --> 01:43:53,445
Optics of a select board member sitting,

2168
01:43:53,445 --> 01:43:55,725
select board member saying somebody's

2169
01:43:55,725 --> 01:43:56,845
sign needs to be removed,

2170
01:43:57,795 --> 01:43:59,125
Even if it's agreed by the board.

2171
01:43:59,235 --> 01:44:00,405
Even. Even if, yeah, I just,

2172
01:44:00,405 --> 01:44:01,445
that's what you're doing. Yeah.

2173
01:44:01,745 --> 01:44:02,965
You're already doing that though.

2174
01:44:03,155 --> 01:44:05,905
Well that's essentially what you're doing. But yeah, no,

2175
01:44:06,285 --> 01:44:07,665
But passing as a policy,

2176
01:44:09,205 --> 01:44:13,975
but I think as, as far as, I don't know.

2177
01:44:14,295 --> 01:44:15,655
I, I, I think I agree.

2178
01:44:16,425 --> 01:44:18,035
Yeah, no, I didn't have no problem with that.

2179
01:44:18,035 --> 01:44:19,235
It's well within your purview.

2180
01:44:20,345 --> 01:44:22,755
Yeah. I would say the only input should be from a,

2181
01:44:22,765 --> 01:44:24,755
maybe a select board member contacted you

2182
01:44:24,755 --> 01:44:26,075
and said, we saw this sign here

2183
01:44:27,495 --> 01:44:30,995
and then it would again be up to pound staff or not.

2184
01:44:32,305 --> 01:44:36,365
With the fact that we elect two every year, it would have

2185
01:44:36,365 --> 01:44:38,405
to be unanimous, unanimous from the other three

2186
01:44:38,405 --> 01:44:39,765
for the board to act anyway.

2187
01:44:41,945 --> 01:44:46,375
So I would hate to put brakes on it from that standpoint,

2188
01:44:46,375 --> 01:44:50,545
but I'd also hate to even have to go down that road

2189
01:44:51,095 --> 01:44:52,945
from, like Bob said, from the optics of it.

2190
01:44:55,315 --> 01:44:59,845
Okay. Change has been made. Right.

2191
01:44:59,845 --> 01:45:02,445
Then I would, I'm gonna go ahead

2192
01:45:02,445 --> 01:45:06,405
and move to adopt the campaign signed policy as amended

2193
01:45:06,585 --> 01:45:09,445
to strike article or item number 12

2194
01:45:09,745 --> 01:45:11,405
or the select board portion

2195
01:45:11,425 --> 01:45:14,565
of item number 1210. Sorry, article

2196
01:45:14,705 --> 01:45:17,305
Ten second.

2197
01:45:18,775 --> 01:45:19,835
We have a motion to second.

2198
01:45:20,875 --> 01:45:21,795
Assuming there's no further

2199
01:45:21,795 --> 01:45:23,315
discussion, I'll call the question.

2200
01:45:23,655 --> 01:45:25,115
All those in favor say aye.

2201
01:45:25,985 --> 01:45:26,925
Aye. Aye.

2202
01:45:31,015 --> 01:45:35,745
Mr. Susie? Yes, I

2203
01:45:36,295 --> 01:45:40,625
will recuse myself in this vote since I'm currently a

2204
01:45:40,735 --> 01:45:41,825
political candidate.

2205
01:45:43,245 --> 01:45:47,725
Good call. Fair enough. Thank you. Thank you. The aye.

2206
01:45:47,725 --> 01:45:49,285
Have it with one recusal

2207
01:45:50,185 --> 01:45:51,485
And Justin

2208
01:45:51,625 --> 01:45:54,205
and David, can you stop in in the next few days and sign it?

2209
01:45:56,785 --> 01:45:58,425
Yes sir. Yep.

2210
01:45:59,825 --> 01:46:02,405
Yes, I can. I can probably stop tomorrow. I'll reach out.

2211
01:46:02,995 --> 01:46:07,585
Okay. Next.

2212
01:46:07,585 --> 01:46:10,945
Number 11, which is consider adopting resolution number

2213
01:46:10,945 --> 01:46:13,425
seven dash 26 authorizing the lease purchase

2214
01:46:13,425 --> 01:46:16,505
of a public works equipment loader and dump truck.

2215
01:46:19,485 --> 01:46:22,665
During the select board meeting January 7th of 25,

2216
01:46:22,985 --> 01:46:24,585
a contract was awarded for the purchase

2217
01:46:24,585 --> 01:46:26,305
of a six wheel low pro dump truck

2218
01:46:26,485 --> 01:46:29,225
and plow to our, our Charlie boy for the chassis

2219
01:46:29,645 --> 01:46:31,945
and Viking thieves for the body plow

2220
01:46:32,005 --> 01:46:33,305
and wing, the total cost

2221
01:46:33,305 --> 01:46:37,025
of this purchase is $255,707.

2222
01:46:37,885 --> 01:46:42,505
On June 30th, 26th, a contract was awarded a CRW corporation

2223
01:46:43,085 --> 01:46:46,305
to purchase a 2026 Volvo L 90 H loader

2224
01:46:46,405 --> 01:46:49,500
for $216,759

2225
01:46:50,185 --> 01:46:51,685
and a pair of quarters.

2226
01:46:52,305 --> 01:46:54,445
In total, we need to arrange lease financing

2227
01:46:54,445 --> 01:46:55,685
for both purchases amount

2228
01:46:55,685 --> 01:46:59,565
to $472,466

2229
01:47:00,105 --> 01:47:02,485
and those orders for 50 cents.

2230
01:47:02,985 --> 01:47:04,365
The purpose of this agenda item is

2231
01:47:04,365 --> 01:47:06,685
to adopt resolution seven dash 26,

2232
01:47:07,255 --> 01:47:08,965
which authorizes the execution

2233
01:47:08,965 --> 01:47:11,685
and delivery of a master equipment lease purchase agreement.

2234
01:47:12,425 --> 01:47:14,045
We expect delivery of both pieces

2235
01:47:14,065 --> 01:47:15,805
of equipment within the next two months.

2236
01:47:16,685 --> 01:47:19,085
Excellent. To arrange the lease financing,

2237
01:47:19,375 --> 01:47:21,485
Chris contacted our longtime leasing consultant,

2238
01:47:21,515 --> 01:47:24,725
municipal leasing consultants based in Grand Olive, Vermont.

2239
01:47:24,755 --> 01:47:27,005
They have successful lease secured lease financing

2240
01:47:27,005 --> 01:47:30,365
for both pieces of equipment, the loader for five years

2241
01:47:30,425 --> 01:47:32,125
and the low pro for four in accordance

2242
01:47:32,125 --> 01:47:34,005
with the equipment replacement plan and budget.

2243
01:47:34,665 --> 01:47:36,845
The interest rate is 5.78%.

2244
01:47:38,035 --> 01:47:40,675
Customers commercial finance LLC will provide the financing.

2245
01:47:41,055 --> 01:47:42,795
The same company that financed our last

2246
01:47:42,815 --> 01:47:43,835
few pieces of equipment.

2247
01:47:44,335 --> 01:47:49,075
The first payment, $117,766

2248
01:47:49,135 --> 01:47:51,875
and 87 cents will be made upon closing.

2249
01:47:52,945 --> 01:47:56,875
Closing, utilizing money budgeted in fiscal year 27.

2250
01:48:02,555 --> 01:48:03,555
Pleasure of the board?

2251
01:48:05,325 --> 01:48:06,905
No question that. I'm happy to make a motion,

2252
01:48:06,925 --> 01:48:07,945
but I don't wanna cut anyone.

2253
01:48:09,915 --> 01:48:10,915
Same.

2254
01:48:15,535 --> 01:48:17,985
Anybody online Wanna make a motion?

2255
01:48:23,305 --> 01:48:24,585
I guess can the chair make a motion?

2256
01:48:25,025 --> 01:48:26,625
I will. So I'm happy to do it.

2257
01:48:26,625 --> 01:48:31,585
So you don't have I Yeah, I,

2258
01:48:31,825 --> 01:48:35,665
I move to adopt resolution seven dash 26

2259
01:48:35,925 --> 01:48:39,345
and authorize the chair

2260
01:48:40,445 --> 01:48:42,945
to sign and authorize the town manager

2261
01:48:43,125 --> 01:48:45,705
to sign the lease documents with regard

2262
01:48:45,705 --> 01:48:49,675
to the municipal lease consultants financing arrangement.

2263
01:48:50,455 --> 01:48:51,795
Second agreement.

2264
01:48:53,195 --> 01:48:54,335
We have a motion in a second.

2265
01:48:55,585 --> 01:48:58,305
Assuming there's no more discussion, I'll call the question.

2266
01:48:58,325 --> 01:48:59,325
All those in favor?

2267
01:49:00,125 --> 01:49:04,745
Aye. Aye. Aye. Thank you.

2268
01:49:05,215 --> 01:49:06,745
I'll have that for you to sign too. Justin.

2269
01:49:10,465 --> 01:49:11,815
We'll move on to number 12,

2270
01:49:12,825 --> 01:49:14,855
which is a bid award for gravel crushing.

2271
01:49:15,355 --> 01:49:18,185
The gravel. Crushing is an annual fall event.

2272
01:49:18,205 --> 01:49:19,465
The bids for crushing were sent

2273
01:49:19,465 --> 01:49:22,385
to four bidders on August 17th, 2026.

2274
01:49:23,045 --> 01:49:25,545
The bids were opened on September 3rd, 2026

2275
01:49:25,605 --> 01:49:27,185
and only one bid was received.

2276
01:49:27,935 --> 01:49:31,105
That bid came from JA McDonald of Montpelier in the amount

2277
01:49:31,105 --> 01:49:33,625
of $62,075.

2278
01:49:34,325 --> 01:49:39,065
Fiscal 27 budget fiscal year 27 budget includes

2279
01:49:39,065 --> 01:49:42,465
$65,000 to crush 5,000 cubic yards of gravel

2280
01:49:42,765 --> 01:49:44,905
and 1500 cubic yards of asphalt.

2281
01:49:48,745 --> 01:49:52,325
I'd happily move to award the FY 27 gravel crushing

2282
01:49:52,805 --> 01:49:55,325
contract to J McDonald of Montpelier in the amount

2283
01:49:55,325 --> 01:49:57,165
of $62,075.

2284
01:49:57,785 --> 01:50:02,325
Second that motion and a second.

2285
01:50:02,425 --> 01:50:06,255
Is there any other conversation? All the question.

2286
01:50:06,315 --> 01:50:07,775
All those in favor say aye.

2287
01:50:08,555 --> 01:50:10,945
Aye. Aye. Aye.

2288
01:50:12,295 --> 01:50:13,825
Then opposed passes.

2289
01:50:17,795 --> 01:50:22,085
Next is weekly accounts payable warrants for September 1st

2290
01:50:22,345 --> 01:50:23,485
and September 8th.

2291
01:50:24,405 --> 01:50:25,165
P 26.

2292
01:50:32,545 --> 01:50:34,425
I think so. There were no,

2293
01:50:34,565 --> 01:50:36,745
so we can take them together. I'll

2294
01:50:36,745 --> 01:50:38,745
Move to approve the accounts payable warrant

2295
01:50:39,005 --> 01:50:41,785
for September 1st and September 8th

2296
01:50:41,785 --> 01:50:45,305
or September 1st, 26 for fiscal year 26

2297
01:50:45,845 --> 01:50:49,505
and September 8th or fiscal year 27.

2298
01:50:52,955 --> 01:50:54,685
Yeah, I got those right, right. Yeah.

2299
01:50:55,705 --> 01:50:57,785
I think the one from the first had both

2300
01:50:57,845 --> 01:50:58,865
fiscal years in it.

2301
01:51:01,275 --> 01:51:05,335
Oh yes, there's, yeah, September 1st had 27 and six.

2302
01:51:05,965 --> 01:51:07,535
I'll, I'll amend my motion

2303
01:51:07,635 --> 01:51:10,055
to include the house payable warrant.

2304
01:51:11,035 --> 01:51:14,675
November or September 1st 26th for fiscal year. 27.

2305
01:51:16,295 --> 01:51:20,925
September 8th. Fiscal year 27 for

2306
01:51:21,975 --> 01:51:24,455
September 1st for fiscal year 26.

2307
01:51:25,035 --> 01:51:26,035
Second.

2308
01:51:26,935 --> 01:51:29,975
I have a motion to second. Anybody have any questions on

2309
01:51:29,975 --> 01:51:30,095
this

2310
01:51:36,885 --> 01:51:37,375
hearing?

2311
01:51:37,405 --> 01:51:41,265
None. I'll call the question motion is

2312
01:51:41,265 --> 01:51:46,225
to approve the accounts payable warrants for fiscal year 26

2313
01:51:46,225 --> 01:51:50,225
and 27 on September 1st and September 8th, 2027.

2314
01:51:52,635 --> 01:51:53,935
All those in favor say aye.

2315
01:51:54,635 --> 01:51:56,615
Aye. Aye. Aye.

2316
01:51:58,005 --> 01:52:00,405
Ayes have it in the bills.

2317
01:52:04,495 --> 01:52:05,395
We have a

2318
01:52:09,275 --> 01:52:11,275
lenius, we have a permit.

2319
01:52:12,235 --> 01:52:12,795
Licenses.

2320
01:52:13,635 --> 01:52:17,665
Licenses. Sorry.

2321
01:52:18,365 --> 01:52:19,585
No, you lost your place. That's fine.

2322
01:52:19,825 --> 01:52:22,105
For second class license, tobacco license

2323
01:52:22,205 --> 01:52:24,065
and tobacco substitute license

2324
01:52:24,405 --> 01:52:26,705
for Gunner Brook Market and Deli.

2325
01:52:27,685 --> 01:52:29,465
The company is Christian,

2326
01:52:30,025 --> 01:52:33,705
K-R-I-S-H-N 3 3 9 Inc.

2327
01:52:34,315 --> 01:52:36,985
Which is doing business as Gunner Market in Delhi

2328
01:52:37,655 --> 01:52:39,315
at 3 39 Eastmont Player Road.

2329
01:52:39,855 --> 01:52:44,355
And I would move that we approve the second class license,

2330
01:52:44,455 --> 01:52:47,285
the tobacco license and the tobacco substitutes license.

2331
01:52:48,695 --> 01:52:52,785
I would second that. I have a motion and a second on that.

2332
01:52:52,965 --> 01:52:54,385
Is there any other discussion?

2333
01:52:57,475 --> 01:52:59,815
All a question. All those in favor say aye.

2334
01:53:00,675 --> 01:53:02,175
Aye. Aye. Aye.

2335
01:53:03,285 --> 01:53:05,975
Ayes have it approve.

2336
01:53:08,165 --> 01:53:11,975
Next is fireworks permit, correct? Right.

2337
01:53:12,195 --> 01:53:16,175
Yes. Road International Speedway requesting

2338
01:53:16,775 --> 01:53:18,895
fireworks display permit for September 24th.

2339
01:53:18,895 --> 01:53:21,655
2026 at 80 Fisher Road.

2340
01:53:22,635 --> 01:53:25,735
The time of that I believe is dusk. I've gotta scroll there.

2341
01:53:28,175 --> 01:53:30,655
I think it is dusk. Dusk, yes. No date?

2342
01:53:30,655 --> 01:53:32,815
Yes. At dusk on September 24th,

2343
01:53:35,535 --> 01:53:37,775
I would move to approve that fireworks permit.

2344
01:53:38,495 --> 01:53:41,035
I would second that we have a motion to second.

2345
01:53:41,135 --> 01:53:45,595
Is there any discussion? Hearing none?

2346
01:53:45,705 --> 01:53:48,515
I'll call the question. All those in favor say aye.

2347
01:53:48,855 --> 01:53:50,715
Aye. Aye. Aye.

2348
01:53:51,955 --> 01:53:55,575
Ayes have it approved.

2349
01:53:59,145 --> 01:54:01,515
Appears to be it. It's in our packet.

2350
01:54:01,655 --> 01:54:03,115
Do you have anything to add?

2351
01:54:03,875 --> 01:54:05,115
I don't have anything to add that I

2352
01:54:05,115 --> 01:54:06,275
haven't already briefed you on.

2353
01:54:06,385 --> 01:54:07,795
Okay. Thank, thank you.

2354
01:54:08,665 --> 01:54:10,565
Mad clerk. Nothing. Well, thank you.

2355
01:54:11,395 --> 01:54:12,525
Okay. Got the Vote.

2356
01:54:13,245 --> 01:54:15,885
I know. Okay. Yes. Yes. September 15th.

2357
01:54:16,185 --> 01:54:17,645
Two, actually two important things.

2358
01:54:18,215 --> 01:54:20,045
Sewer is due on September 15th.

2359
01:54:20,455 --> 01:54:22,565
Don't forget, no longer taking Postmarks.

2360
01:54:22,945 --> 01:54:26,325
So have it in the office by 4:30 PM And also,

2361
01:54:26,385 --> 01:54:27,725
yes, come out and vote.

2362
01:54:28,035 --> 01:54:29,605
Hold it open. 7:00 AM

2363
01:54:29,665 --> 01:54:32,325
to 7:00 PM at Berry Town middle and elementary school.

2364
01:54:33,025 --> 01:54:35,565
And if you voted early, ballots have to be in the office

2365
01:54:36,545 --> 01:54:39,565
by Monday, September 14th by 4:30 PM

2366
01:54:41,385 --> 01:54:42,335
Thank you. I

2367
01:54:42,335 --> 01:54:45,705
Forgot mine on my table. You and my husband.

2368
01:54:45,975 --> 01:54:47,865
Alright. That takes us to round the table

2369
01:54:49,335 --> 01:54:52,065
Because we heard so much from David tonight.

2370
01:54:52,845 --> 01:54:55,985
He didn't probably get the, the farewell for the evening.

2371
01:54:56,005 --> 01:54:57,025
So I wanted to say thank you

2372
01:54:57,025 --> 01:54:58,425
for the information this evening.

2373
01:54:58,515 --> 01:55:01,105
Again, I appreciate your contributions

2374
01:55:01,125 --> 01:55:05,225
and your, more importantly, I I really appreciate your

2375
01:55:05,575 --> 01:55:06,985
outside of the box thinking

2376
01:55:07,765 --> 01:55:10,705
and reaching for those crazy ideas

2377
01:55:10,705 --> 01:55:12,385
because even if they get batted down,

2378
01:55:12,385 --> 01:55:13,465
it's better than not trying.

2379
01:55:14,335 --> 01:55:15,425
Well, thank you. Batted down.

2380
01:55:15,975 --> 01:55:17,105
Well they, they rarely do,

2381
01:55:17,205 --> 01:55:20,825
but in the future if that ever happens, it's not

2382
01:55:20,825 --> 01:55:23,465
because we don't appreciate the ambition.

2383
01:55:24,125 --> 01:55:27,505
It just, sometimes there's constraints that's trying

2384
01:55:27,505 --> 01:55:29,745
to think of the last time one was batted down.

2385
01:55:31,825 --> 01:55:32,635
Nope. No,

2386
01:55:35,955 --> 01:55:37,175
he hasn't asked for the helicopter.

2387
01:55:37,275 --> 01:55:39,055
He delayed him many times.

2388
01:55:39,405 --> 01:55:40,655
That probably was likely to happen.

2389
01:55:40,795 --> 01:55:43,945
He does a good job making sure my thoughts are well fleshed

2390
01:55:43,945 --> 01:55:46,225
out before he lets me, lets me in here turn 'em loose.

2391
01:55:48,035 --> 01:55:50,545
Other than that it was getting dark earlier in the evening.

2392
01:55:50,685 --> 01:55:53,305
So again, windshields, headlights, watch

2393
01:55:53,305 --> 01:55:55,025
for kids school back session, get out

2394
01:55:55,025 --> 01:55:59,595
and vote on Tuesday for the school budget revote.

2395
01:55:59,855 --> 01:56:03,155
And that's all for me. Alright, Ms. Mr.

2396
01:56:03,365 --> 01:56:05,035
Susie, do you have anything for round table?

2397
01:56:07,115 --> 01:56:10,965
I'm good tonight, sir. Thank you. Thank you Mr. Chair.

2398
01:56:12,525 --> 01:56:14,325
I have a couple things. Chris,

2399
01:56:14,425 --> 01:56:17,525
did you receive the email from C-V-R-P-C

2400
01:56:18,565 --> 01:56:20,685
regarding the Clean Water Advisory Committee?

2401
01:56:21,595 --> 01:56:23,325
They're looking for appointees.

2402
01:56:24,105 --> 01:56:26,545
Yep. Is that,

2403
01:56:26,885 --> 01:56:29,545
are we thinking about doing something with that?

2404
01:56:33,035 --> 01:56:35,375
You mean looking for to serve on another board?

2405
01:56:36,445 --> 01:56:37,655
Well, my thought

2406
01:56:38,205 --> 01:56:41,215
because it does allow input regarding the, the clean water

2407
01:56:41,395 --> 01:56:44,255
and one of those things that it discusses is the three acre

2408
01:56:44,255 --> 01:56:47,215
permits and storm water runoff and whatnot.

2409
01:56:47,395 --> 01:56:48,815
And given the conversations

2410
01:56:48,835 --> 01:56:52,535
and our distaste for the three acre rule, I didn't know if

2411
01:56:52,535 --> 01:56:56,835
that would give us any direct line to

2412
01:56:58,825 --> 01:57:01,015
voice our, our frustrations with the,

2413
01:57:01,085 --> 01:57:03,095
with the way the law is currently structured.

2414
01:57:05,775 --> 01:57:09,115
Josh, Josh, or Lindsay? Either one of them.

2415
01:57:09,945 --> 01:57:12,315
I'll look at it again and see what the parameters are.

2416
01:57:12,555 --> 01:57:17,195
I, I did, I did go through it, but I'll look at it again.

2417
01:57:17,625 --> 01:57:19,955
Okay. I just wanted to make sure it was on, on the radar.

2418
01:57:20,495 --> 01:57:25,275
Oh yeah. And then so what is the, the process

2419
01:57:25,735 --> 01:57:30,555
for the town when town property is damaged in a, a

2420
01:57:32,415 --> 01:57:35,295
vehicular accident of some kind?

2421
01:57:36,885 --> 01:57:38,745
And I I'll have a couple follow up.

2422
01:57:38,975 --> 01:57:40,665
Well, I guess I'll just put it all out there.

2423
01:57:40,665 --> 01:57:44,425
So you know, my, so the round, our poor roundabout

2424
01:57:44,485 --> 01:57:46,705
or our, our wonderful gift from the state

2425
01:57:47,045 --> 01:57:49,905
of a roundabout at the intersection of 3 0 2

2426
01:57:49,905 --> 01:57:53,985
and one 10 is now missing six of its granite posts.

2427
01:57:56,255 --> 01:58:00,045
And I did the quick math to replace those posts.

2428
01:58:00,145 --> 01:58:02,165
Not counting the chains that go in between them

2429
01:58:02,305 --> 01:58:05,325
or the labor is $4,800 worth of posts that are missing.

2430
01:58:06,755 --> 01:58:08,495
That's just the cost of the post with,

2431
01:58:08,685 --> 01:58:10,735
with eyelets put in them to accept a chain.

2432
01:58:11,955 --> 01:58:14,415
The light pole is also missing too.

2433
01:58:14,515 --> 01:58:16,335
I'm not sure if that's our responsibility

2434
01:58:16,475 --> 01:58:18,775
or not to replace that.

2435
01:58:20,285 --> 01:58:22,425
And, you know, just general

2436
01:58:23,425 --> 01:58:25,705
accidents when the guardrails get hit, like the section of

2437
01:58:26,265 --> 01:58:29,985
a guardrail on airport road between the two cornfields

2438
01:58:30,125 --> 01:58:33,535
and the dip that got hit by a car

2439
01:58:33,535 --> 01:58:35,495
and it's, it's pushed back, you know,

2440
01:58:36,045 --> 01:58:38,055
several feet from the, from the roadway.

2441
01:58:40,275 --> 01:58:44,395
Do we, do we obtain the, the insurance information so

2442
01:58:44,395 --> 01:58:46,355
that we can have the, the people that did the damage

2443
01:58:47,465 --> 01:58:49,565
to replace that repay for it?

2444
01:58:49,565 --> 01:58:53,715
At least if, obviously if we know

2445
01:58:54,375 --> 01:58:57,445
who that person or persons may have been.

2446
01:58:59,035 --> 01:59:00,565
Obviously people don't always stop

2447
01:59:00,565 --> 01:59:01,685
after they've had an accident.

2448
01:59:03,145 --> 01:59:04,765
And then where does that information go

2449
01:59:04,765 --> 01:59:06,125
and what does that process look like

2450
01:59:06,175 --> 01:59:07,685
after that to get that submitted?

2451
01:59:07,685 --> 01:59:08,965
To get the town reimbursed

2452
01:59:08,965 --> 01:59:11,245
so it doesn't cost the taxpayers money for something

2453
01:59:11,245 --> 01:59:13,325
that could have otherwise been covered by an insurance.

2454
01:59:14,755 --> 01:59:17,165
Yeah, well, so if we can, yes, we do.

2455
01:59:17,265 --> 01:59:21,645
And we we're doing that right now with a guardrail out on,

2456
01:59:22,645 --> 01:59:24,945
at the intersection of Plainfield Brook Road

2457
01:59:25,005 --> 01:59:26,625
and Route 14 that got hit.

2458
01:59:27,805 --> 01:59:30,385
It then does become pretty laborious.

2459
01:59:31,965 --> 01:59:34,225
We sent the insurance company a bill for that

2460
01:59:34,225 --> 01:59:35,745
after we have the guardrail replaced

2461
01:59:36,205 --> 01:59:37,905
and they came back with about 10

2462
01:59:38,005 --> 01:59:40,665
or 12 things that we need to follow up with.

2463
01:59:41,965 --> 01:59:43,065
So if we know and,

2464
01:59:43,125 --> 01:59:47,025
and if it's significant enough to invest the time and,

2465
01:59:47,085 --> 01:59:50,205
and we think there's a likelihood of getting paid,

2466
01:59:50,205 --> 01:59:53,485
which oftentimes there isn't then, then we do

2467
01:59:55,655 --> 01:59:57,545
with regard to those granite posts.

2468
01:59:57,545 --> 01:59:59,945
Those have happened for various reasons over the years

2469
02:00:00,205 --> 02:00:04,255
and I don't know what happened beforehand.

2470
02:00:04,575 --> 02:00:07,015
I don't even know if we always know when it happens,

2471
02:00:08,515 --> 02:00:11,555
but I am working on that with the cemetery

2472
02:00:11,855 --> 02:00:13,755
and I don't think any of the posts are actually missing.

2473
02:00:13,935 --> 02:00:16,875
We either have them and are repairing them

2474
02:00:17,335 --> 02:00:19,715
or we're, we're working on that though

2475
02:00:19,715 --> 02:00:21,035
that hopefully those are gonna

2476
02:00:21,035 --> 02:00:22,075
all be taken care of this fall.

2477
02:00:22,075 --> 02:00:23,475
It'll be much cheaper than, won't,

2478
02:00:23,475 --> 02:00:25,195
won't be anywhere near $4,800

2479
02:00:26,335 --> 02:00:28,475
to fix those posts in that particular.

2480
02:00:30,815 --> 02:00:35,435
But if we can, if there's a a, a strong enough likelihood

2481
02:00:35,435 --> 02:00:39,515
that we might be successful, which is a question mark.

2482
02:00:39,695 --> 02:00:41,675
We, we do, we we will put in

2483
02:00:42,755 --> 02:00:44,035
a claim with the insurance company.

2484
02:00:45,715 --> 02:00:49,005
Okay, that's, sorry, we're gonna add, I think

2485
02:00:49,005 --> 02:00:52,205
that's easier when there's a clear cut, you know, car a

2486
02:00:52,975 --> 02:00:56,125
drove through the, and smashed whatever.

2487
02:00:56,185 --> 02:01:00,005
But it, where it gets a little bit more troubling is if you

2488
02:01:00,005 --> 02:01:02,005
don't know who did it or when it happened

2489
02:01:02,005 --> 02:01:05,215
or how it happened, even our own insurance.

2490
02:01:06,305 --> 02:01:07,965
And because it's considered property in the open,

2491
02:01:08,345 --> 02:01:10,485
unless you have it specifically scheduled

2492
02:01:10,505 --> 02:01:14,285
and we're paying premium on it, then you can't just call

2493
02:01:14,285 --> 02:01:15,765
and say, Hey, our guardrail on

2494
02:01:16,435 --> 02:01:21,085
Airport Road is all smashed up and get, get that paid for.

2495
02:01:21,345 --> 02:01:23,485
So VLCT wouldn't pay on a claim like that.

2496
02:01:24,205 --> 02:01:25,965
However, they would certainly assist in chasing

2497
02:01:26,765 --> 02:01:28,405
a known motor vehicle accident or,

2498
02:01:31,515 --> 02:01:33,615
So it was a curiosity of, of mine.

2499
02:01:33,715 --> 02:01:36,095
And then I was approached on, on Sunday

2500
02:01:36,635 --> 02:01:38,255
by a resident asking us,

2501
02:01:39,545 --> 02:01:42,685
us specifically asking me specifically about the roundabout.

2502
02:01:43,465 --> 02:01:45,045
And so that just kind of brought it to the,

2503
02:01:45,185 --> 02:01:46,285
to the surface for me.

2504
02:01:46,825 --> 02:01:48,605
That's been on my radar for a while.

2505
02:01:48,785 --> 02:01:53,125
But Cemetery has the, I've talked

2506
02:01:53,125 --> 02:01:54,405
to Dwight about this quite a bit.

2507
02:01:54,555 --> 02:01:57,085
They have the knowhow, the capability with a,

2508
02:01:57,285 --> 02:01:59,005
with probably somebody from Public Works.

2509
02:01:59,065 --> 02:02:00,565
The plan is to go in there this fall.

2510
02:02:00,995 --> 02:02:04,885
They've been pretty short staffed all year, so it's kind

2511
02:02:04,885 --> 02:02:08,365
of been pegged as a fall project anyway.

2512
02:02:08,385 --> 02:02:10,285
But I would definitely like to get those fixed.

2513
02:02:12,575 --> 02:02:15,145
Okay. That was all for me. Thank you. Thank

2514
02:02:16,635 --> 02:02:17,635
You.

2515
02:02:19,915 --> 02:02:21,755
I think that's it then. Mr. Chair.

2516
02:02:21,835 --> 02:02:23,515
I hope you feel better quickly.

2517
02:02:25,715 --> 02:02:28,295
Oh, I just want to get my head outta the clouds

2518
02:02:28,395 --> 02:02:30,925
and stop sneezing and coughing

2519
02:02:31,025 --> 02:02:34,925
and just itching in my nose is driving me bonkers.

2520
02:02:35,905 --> 02:02:37,775
Thank you for not bringing it here. Yes, thank you.

2521
02:02:40,155 --> 02:02:41,735
It wasn't for the coughing and the sneezing.

2522
02:02:41,735 --> 02:02:43,815
I was gonna put a mask on so I could be there in person.

2523
02:02:43,875 --> 02:02:46,455
And I feel really bad with the turnout that we had for,

2524
02:02:46,755 --> 02:02:47,975
we knew that the graniteville,

2525
02:02:48,585 --> 02:02:50,495
upper graniteville playground wasn't a popular

2526
02:02:50,935 --> 02:02:52,535
decision when we did that.

2527
02:02:52,955 --> 02:02:54,615
You know, even though we, we didn't say forever,

2528
02:02:56,395 --> 02:02:57,895
but to have all those people in the room

2529
02:02:57,895 --> 02:02:59,455
and then have me not be there, I,

2530
02:02:59,655 --> 02:03:01,615
I didn't, that didn't feel good.

2531
02:03:03,405 --> 02:03:07,245
I think I, I think we're not that far apart on that topic.

2532
02:03:07,385 --> 02:03:10,205
So I think there was misunderstanding as much as

2533
02:03:11,985 --> 02:03:13,485
intent and just reframing it.

2534
02:03:13,485 --> 02:03:14,485
So I think we'll get there.

2535
02:03:17,845 --> 02:03:20,625
All right. If no one else has anything else,

2536
02:03:20,655 --> 02:03:22,225
I'll happily make the motion to adjourn.

2537
02:03:23,095 --> 02:03:24,095
I would second that.

2538
02:03:25,335 --> 02:03:27,655
A second. All those in favor?

2539
02:03:28,675 --> 02:03:30,215
Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye.

2540
02:03:31,615 --> 02:03:33,115
We are adjourned. Thank you all.

2541
02:03:35,575 --> 02:03:36,575
Good Evening everyone.

2542
02:03:37,085 --> 02:03:38,425
You do two Justin. Take care.