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This meeting is being held in person and

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electronically in accordance with the

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Municipal Act.

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There are [snorts] four public meetings

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being held this evening.

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If you are joining the meeting virtually

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and have not yet registered and wish to

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speak,

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please email cityclerk@barrie.ca.

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And staff will email you the information

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to participate virtually.

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The first public meeting is to review an

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application submitted by the Jones

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Consulting Group Limited

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on behalf of Global Telecom Inc. for an

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official plan amendment and amendment to

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the zoning by-law for 501 to 525 Tiffin

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Street.

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The second public meeting is to review

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an application submitted by Flagship

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Developments

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on behalf of St. Joseph Developments

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Inc.

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for a draft plan of subdivision,

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official plan amendment, and amendment

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to the zoning by-law for 49 Miller

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Drive.

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The third public meeting is to receive

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an application submitted by Derek

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Battaglia

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for an amendment to the zoning by-law

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for 205 Jean Street.

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The fourth public meeting is to review

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an amendment to the zoning by-law to

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support Royal Victoria Regional Health

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Centre's redevelopment and future

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expansion.

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Members of committee will be listening

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to the presentation and comments

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received during the public meeting,

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but will not be making comments or

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debating the items tonight.

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Committee members will have an

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opportunity to provide comments when the

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staff report is considered by General

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Committee at a later date.

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Interested persons wishing to receive

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notification of the staff report

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can sign the notification form at the

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back of Council Chambers or by emailing

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cityclerk@barrie.ca.

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Michelle Banfield, Executive Director of

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Development Services, would you please

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confirm that the notifications were

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conducted in accordance with the

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Planning Act for tonight's public

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meeting?

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Yes, Chair Nixon, it was.

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>> [clears throat]

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>> Thank you.

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I will now call upon Amanda Newlove of

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the Jones Consulting Group to provide

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the presentation concerning the official

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plan amendment and amendment to the

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zoning by-law for 501 to 525 Tiffin

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Street.

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Nope, go ahead.

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Yes, good afternoon. My name is Amanda

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Newlove and I am a senior planner with

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the Jones Consulting Group and we

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represent the owner of the lands at 501

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and 525 Tiffin Street who have submitted

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an official plan amendment and zoning

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by-law amendment application for an

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industrial development. I am also joined

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today by the project engineer, Duncan

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Richardson, and traffic engineer, John

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Northcote.

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So, the subject lands are outlined in

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red with a lot area of approximately 6.8

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hectares and 209 m along Tiffin Street.

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The lands are vacant and partially

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treed. A partial area of the lands has

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been previously disturbed as shown in

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the air photo.

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An environmental impact study has

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determined the developable limits and

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the developable area of 2.1 hectares,

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which coincides with the area that's

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been generally cleared. According to

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historical aerial mapping, this area has

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been cleared for approximately 15 years.

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So, the lands along Tiffin Street have

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historically been an employment lands

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area. The lands to the north and west

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consist of industrial and commercial

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uses and the lands to the south and east

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are vacant environmental lands. The

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Barrie-Collingwood Railway is also

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located directly along the south border.

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So, this is the proposed site plan.

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There are three industrial buildings.

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The largest building is to the

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southeast, which is approximately 3,000

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sq m in size.

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1,400 sq m in size and these buildings

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have been designed to be more spacious

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for manufacturing type uses. The third

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building along the west border is

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proposed to contain seven units for

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seven different types of industrial

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uses.

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In accordance with the zoning by-law

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proposed zone of general industrial uses

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that are proposed to go within these

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units could be a custom workshop, self

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storage, office

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uses along that nature.

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The environmental impact study

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defined the developable limits. So, the

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green line along the site plan is the

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limit of the features and the red line

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is the limit of that buffer. So, only

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within the red line is where development

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is proposed, which coincides with the

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area that's been previously disturbed.

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So, 2/3 of the property will remain

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designated natural heritage and zoned

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environmental protection.

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There are two accesses proposed from

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Tiffin Street to coincide with the city

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standards and accommodate emergency

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vehicles. The eastern access will cross

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through the limits of the environmental

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features and this has been reviewed and

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supported by the environmental impact

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study

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and is being reviewed by the city and

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the LSRCA. It should be noted that the

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environmental impact study also

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concluded that that area

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where the east access is proposed has

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been previously disturbed from the

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construction and maintenance of Tiffin

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Street and there will be a 5-m road

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widening along the frontage of Tiffin

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Street as well.

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So, these are some renderings showing

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more images of the proposed development

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concept. Elevation drawings will be

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provided through site plan control, but

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the buildings are proposed to comply

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with the general industrial zone, so the

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maximum building height is 12 m.

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All landscaping and the naturalization

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buffer to the limit of the feature will

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be further reviewed through site plan

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control.

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So, the purpose of the official plan

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amendment is to redesignate that portion

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within the red boundary

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to employment area industrial and the

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purpose of the zoning by-law amendment

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is to rezone that portion to general

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industrial and the remainder of the

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lands will remain environmental

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protection.

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So, as submitted in our planning

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justification report, it is our opinion

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that the applications are consistent

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with the provincial planning statement.

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The lands are located within the City of

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Barrie settlement area and directly

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adjacent to the built-up area.

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The uses proposed will continue to add

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to the city's diverse economic base and

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provide employment opportunities while

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remaining compatible with the

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surrounding uses.

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The development will introduce

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industrial uses into an area that the

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city has identified as employment lands

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in the City of Barrie.

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The majority of the corridor along

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Tiffin Street has been identified as an

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employment area in the city and the

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development of the property with the

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less intense industrial uses will

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further secure this area as an

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employment area in the long term.

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As noted, only approximately 1/3 of the

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lands will be developed while the rest

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will remain in their natural state to

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protect the environmental features to

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the south of the property.

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The site is located on an arterial road

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of Tiffin Street providing easy access

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to Highway 400 and the site will be

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serviced with municipal services without

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requiring an extension.

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So, the lands are currently designated

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natural heritage system in the City of

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Barrie official plan. As one can see,

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the surrounding lands are an employment

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area with the employment area

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designation industrial and

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non-industrial to the north and west and

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To be consistent with this, the

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developable area is proposed to be

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designated employment area industrial to

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permit these industrial uses.

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So, similarly, the lands are zoned

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environmental protection, but one can

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see the general industrial zone is

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located directly north and west of the

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lands.

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And as such, the zoning by-law amendment

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is proposed to rezone the developable

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area to general industrial as well.

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So, in terms of servicing, there is an

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existing city water main and sanitary

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sewer along Tiffin Street, which the

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lands are proposed to connect to.

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There has been a stormwater management

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plan prepared, which includes the use of

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one dry pond, a storm sewer system, two

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underground ADS StormTech systems, three

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rooftop water storages, three oil grit

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separators, and one storm filter to

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address both quality and quantity

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control.

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A variety of low impact development or

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LID measures are also being implemented

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to address the runoff volume and the

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lands will be serviced by secondary

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utilities.

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In terms of traffic and the other

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studies, as I've noted, a 5-m road

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widening will be provided along Tiffin

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Street. The traffic impact study did

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complete an intersection operation

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analysis and no additional

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infrastructure improvements are

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recommended.

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The traffic impact study also

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recommended a temporary transit stop

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either on the north or south side of

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Tiffin Street

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to provide facilitate access to

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pedestrian and cycling infrastructure

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ahead of the planned infrastructure in

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the area. City staff have provided

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transit comments which the applicant is

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reviewing.

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The proposed parking supply will meet

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the parking requirements in the zoning

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by-law and bicycle parking has also been

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provided. And a number of additional

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studies and reports have been provided

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such as our planning justification

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study, functional servicing report, etc.

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which are being reviewed by the city and

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conservation authority.

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So, in conclusion, the proposed

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applications will facilitate the

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development of three industrial

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buildings on a site that is within the

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settlement boundary of the city of

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Barrie and directly adjacent to the

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built-up area and on lands identified as

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an employment area.

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The development proposes to intensify

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vacant land that otherwise would remain

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underutilized.

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Extensive environmental work has been

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completed to determine the developable

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area to ensure the natural heritage

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features will be protected and

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appropriate buffers are being provided.

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The site will be connected to full

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municipal services without requiring any

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extensions.

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The proposed development will not add

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any significant delay or congestion to

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the local roadway network or any

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operational issues.

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The proposed buildings are compatible

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with the industrial nature of the

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neighborhood. The uses will continue to

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add to the city's diverse economic base

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and will provide employment

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opportunities for residents.

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So, it is our opinion that the proposed

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applications are consistent with the

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provincial planning statement and meet

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the intent of the city's official plan

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and comprehensive zoning by-law. So,

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thank you so much and happy to answer

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any questions.

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Okay, thank you. We'll now move to

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public comments.

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>> [clears throat]

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>> If there are any members of the public

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who wish to provide comments regarding

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our first presentation, please approach

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the podium and begin by stating your

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first and last name and address for the

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record.

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Seeing none.

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Um

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Okay, as we have no

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um

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members of the public wishing to join in

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virtually, I will ask members of

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committee, do you have any questions uh

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of clarification?

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Seeing none.

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Okay.

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We will um

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Oh.

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Councilor Nagusi, yeah, go ahead, sir.

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Thank you, uh Chair Nixon. Uh quick

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question to staff, probably Miss

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Banfield.

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Is the house at 485 Tiffin Street, uh

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near to the proposed location,

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condemned? Can you give us a little bit

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background on that?

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Through you, Chair Nixon and Councilor

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Nagusi, uh that building is not

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condemned at 485 Tiffin. Okay, thank

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you.

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Uh to the presenter, uh that was a great

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presentation. Thank you for your time.

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In terms of parking and access,

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is the proposed parking sufficient for

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all uh employees and visitors? And

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how will the vehicle, you know,

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circulation, including trucks, can be

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managed

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to prevent conjunction on Tiffin Street?

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Thank you. So, through the chair, there

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is 168 parking spaces proposed which

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meet the requirements in the zoning

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by-law. Uh traffic impact study has been

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prepared to review congestion and

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operations and there's been uh there's

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no issues identified. The traffic

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engineer is here in attendance if you

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would like further uh clarification on

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that.

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Yeah, I'll I'll I'll be happy if I

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Thank you.

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So, through you, Chair, uh to Councilor

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Nagusi, yes, we did a traffic impact

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study and that included a parking

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justification for it. Um and we also did

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a swept path analysis that showed the

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movement of passenger vehicles, trucks,

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and waste vehicles going through the

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site. And all movements can can occur as

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required. Okay.

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And the other thing is, I know I saw the

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document, but I I I really want you to

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talk about the storm water and the

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drainage issue.

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Uh I'm not quite sure what kind of

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measures are being implemented for storm

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water management.

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And how will the

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they prevent, you know, run-off from

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impacting adjacent land or natural

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areas?

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Through the chair, yes. So, a storm

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water management report was also

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prepared and the project engineer is

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also in attendance to provide more

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information on on drainage.

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Through the chair to Councilor

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the system is underground storage tanks

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on site

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uh matching the pre-to-post run-off

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volumes and flow rates.

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Uh there is a couple quality control

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structures on site as well.

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And then there is roof top storage as

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well that's

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helps to achieve that pre-to-post

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balance.

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Okay, thank you, Chair Nixon.

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Uh are there any other members, any

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non-members of committee uh that have

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questions of clarification?

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Seeing none.

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We will move to our second public

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meeting.

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I will now call upon Cameron Sellers of

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Innovative Planning Solutions to provide

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the presentation concerning an amendment

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to the zoning by-law for 49 Miller

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Drive.

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Okay, good evening, everyone.

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Thank you very much for attending this

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uh public meeting. My name is Cameron

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Sellers. I'm a partner with Innovative

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Planning Solutions here on behalf of the

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owners of uh lands located at 49 Miller

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Drive in Barrie.

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So, the purpose of tonight's meeting is

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to uh provide project details to

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everyone and to obtain feedback uh to be

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considered along with comments received

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from city staff in order to move this

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project forward.

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So, the the subject property is outlined

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here in red on this slide. The site's

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located north of Dunlop Street with

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approximately 300 m of frontage and east

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of Miller Drive with approximately 380 m

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of frontage on Miller.

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Uh the site is relatively flat in nature

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and it covers approximately 18.1 ha

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or 45 acres. The lands are vacant and

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are significantly underutilized.

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In terms of surrounding uh uses, uh you

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can see on this slide here to the north,

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there's residential subdivision

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characterized predominantly by single

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detached dwellings along with uh Pringle

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Park.

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To the south, there's existing

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commercial and future residential uses

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along Dunlop Street West. Further to the

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south lies general industrial uses along

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Tiffin Street and environmental

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protection lands as well further south.

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To the east, uh there's general

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commercial and industrial uses along

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Dunlop Street, Ferndale Drive, and

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Tiffin Street as well.

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To the west, there's a service station

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including a gas bar, a car wash, and a

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restaurant. Um further west are highway

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commercial uses including self-storage

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facility, Access Storage, and uh a wood

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supplier, Miller Lumber.

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So, this slide illustrates the current

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official plan designation of the subject

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lands. The lands are designated

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neighborhood area, employment area

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non-industrial,

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natural heritage system, as well as

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green space.

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Um of note, the city's recent official

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plan amendment uh for PPS conformity for

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um employment area

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uh proposes to change the designation

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from employment area non-industrial to

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business commercial.

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So, this slide illustrates the current

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zoning of the subject lands. They're

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outlined in red again.

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Um the lands are zoned residential hold,

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you can see in yellow,

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uh open space hold in light green,

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general commercial in pink, and then

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environmental protection in the dark

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green in the northwest corner northeast

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corner.

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So, this brings us to the development

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proposal shown here. The development

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includes a total of 447

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new residential dwellings in differing

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built forms including single detached

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homes, town homes, and back-to-back town

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homes plus a medium density block

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subject to future development

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applications.

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Access to the development is by way of

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two new municipal streets connecting to

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Miller Drive at the north and the south

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limits of the development leading to an

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internal municipal road network as shown

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here.

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All internal uh roads will have

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sidewalks

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um throughout throughout the whole

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development.

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And there's a storm water management

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pond you can see here in the southwest

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portion of the site

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um along with a large natural heritage

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block in the northeast portion of the

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site.

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So, this slide highlights the the

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purpose the proposed built forms

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throughout the site um just for ease of

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reference when when viewing the

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development concept. So, the single

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detached dwellings have been positioned

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adjacent to the natural heritage lands

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along the east, each with frontage of

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approximately 12 uh 12 m or 40 ft.

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The townhomes have been positioned

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around the perimeter of the balance of

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the site, each with frontage of about

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5.5 m or 18 ft. And then there's

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back-to-back townhomes positioned

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internal to the development with a

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frontage of 7 m or 23 ft. And then you

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can see the uh future uh future uh

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medium-density block in the middle there

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in the pink. And then the um natural

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heritage block, the large natural

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heritage block to the east.

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So, this slide provides uh a couple of

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architectural styling samples um that

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could be pursued through this

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development um just to give people sort

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of a flavor of the the the townhouses.

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Um, it should be noted that there's no

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floor plans or elevations at this point

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uh in the process. But the owners are

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committed to work with city staff to

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achieve a high level of urban design and

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architecture for the new homes.

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So, in order to accommodate the uh

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proposed development, an official plan

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amendment is necessary redesignating

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various portions of the property

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as detailed here. I won't go through

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them individually, but I will show you

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this slide.

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So, this illustrates the official plan

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land use changes proposed by these

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applications. A majority of the site

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will remain um as currently designated.

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The the neighborhood area, you can see

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there without any hatching, that's

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already designated neighborhood area.

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Um, portions of the site would be

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redesignated from green space and

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employment area non-industrial to

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neighborhood area, while other portions

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will be redesignated from employment

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area non- non-industrial to natural

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heritage systems.

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Um

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and it should be noted I'll note here

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that the um the natural heritage systems

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designation is proposed to be

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substantially increased um through these

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applications.

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So, we've also applied for a zoning

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bylaw amendment that's necessary to uh

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support the proposed development uh

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rezoning the property to RM2 with

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exceptions, uh R4 with exceptions, as

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well as environmental protection.

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» [gasps]

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>> So, this slide illustrates the varying

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zones that are being applied for through

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these applications.

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Simply stated, the single-family

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dwellings are proposed for the R4 with

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exception, the townhomes uh back-to-back

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towns, and the medium-density block are

570
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,160
proposed for the RM2 exception zone, and

571
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,240
the natural heritage lands are proposed

572
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:35,350
for the EP zone.

573
00:22:35,360 --> 00:22:36,640
So, in summary, this development

574
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,440
represents an appropriate level of

575
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,040
growth on lands that are currently

576
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,360
underutilized within the city.

577
00:22:42,360 --> 00:22:44,120
The development efficiently utilizes the

578
00:22:44,120 --> 00:22:45,840
land and municipal municipal

579
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:47,600
infrastructure while providing a

580
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,200
reasonable transit supportive density

581
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,080
and enhancing natural heritage features

582
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:53,440
on the lands.

583
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:54,600
The technical studies that were

584
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,120
completed and submitted in support of

585
00:22:56,120 --> 00:22:57,920
this development demonstrate that it can

586
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,480
be serviced, accommodated from a traffic

587
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,400
perspective, with environmental

588
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,080
characteristics being addressed through

589
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,880
retention, buffering, mitigation,

590
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,360
offsetting, and future design work.

591
00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:11,080
This proposal overall introduces

592
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,600
much-needed new housing options and

593
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,920
opportunities to the area while also

594
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:16,600
respecting and integrating with the

595
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,040
surrounding neighborhood.

596
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:20,880
And that concludes my presentation.

597
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:21,960
Thank you very much for your time

598
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,120
tonight.

599
00:23:24,120 --> 00:23:25,840
Uh thank you.

600
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,160
Um, we will now move to public comments.

601
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:30,400
Um, if there are any members of the

602
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,040
public who wish to provide comments

603
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,080
regarding the second public meeting,

604
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:35,600
please approach the podium and begin by

605
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,240
stating your first and last name and

606
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:45,030
address for the record.

607
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:49,550
Seeing none.

608
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:50,760
Okay.

609
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,880
As there are no uh virtual members

610
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,120
waiting to join us?

611
00:23:56,120 --> 00:23:58,040
Um, members of committee, do you have

612
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,480
any questions of clarification?

613
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,400
Deputy Mayor Thompson.

614
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,280
Thank you, Chair Nixon. Uh through you

615
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,880
to staff. Um, when we talk about the

616
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,120
technical um

617
00:24:10,120 --> 00:24:11,800
reviews and stuff, and I understand this

618
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,960
is a zoning application, but um

619
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,960
sometimes that site plan questions are

620
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,000
unable because it's delegated authority

621
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,360
to staff. So, I just uh get some

622
00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:23,440
clarity and maybe for residents watching

623
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,000
and paying attention to this. Um

624
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,040
so, 40 Miller

625
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,240
is an approved development on Miller of

626
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,200
about 200 units.

627
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:38,800
156 to 152 Miller, I believe um was 100,

628
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:40,240
and then I think they've come back and

629
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,840
they're probably about 160 in units.

630
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,720
And then we have 180 Ferndale, which is

631
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,600
about 350.

632
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,400
And 49, this proposal would be about

633
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,240
600.

634
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,760
I think 620, 611, or something like

635
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,960
that. Um, so when we're looking at

636
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:58,560
infrastructure,

637
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,320
uh water, sewer, and stuff like that.

638
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:01,600
So,

639
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,880
because these lands are fed by the

640
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,840
aquifers and not in the our new water

641
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,440
treatment plants and stuff, um sometimes

642
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:09,960
we find water pressure's a little bit

643
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,400
low and not as robust as some of our new

644
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,440
subdivisions. So,

645
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,520
is it a first-come, first-served? Like,

646
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:18,400
you know,

647
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:19,760
I believe these people have done their

648
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,040
due diligence and realized it is

649
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,920
serviceable. But if if every one of

650
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,760
these developments were to go ahead next

651
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,320
year, would the existing neighborhood

652
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:33,440
suffer like in water pressure or

653
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,920
is that a a consideration that service

654
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,760
capacity is looked at um in

655
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,880
a high level of every development that's

656
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,120
proposed and approved could be

657
00:25:44,120 --> 00:25:47,950
compensated?

658
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,800
Through you, Chair Nixon, to the Deputy

659
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,000
Mayor. So, uh generally speaking in

660
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,360
terms of the studies that you are

661
00:25:55,360 --> 00:25:57,480
talking about, generally speaking when

662
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,840
an application comes in, um all of the

663
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,760
other applications need to be considered

664
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,040
in in the new person's technical work.

665
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:08,800
Um, now that as you said, every

666
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,720
application that you gave as an example

667
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,080
is at a different stage. Um, but at the

668
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,720
um application stage, um

669
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,960
the the new applicants uh consulting

670
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,000
team um is told that they have to

671
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,480
incorporate kind of all of the other

672
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,679
developments at the same time. Um, at

673
00:26:25,679 --> 00:26:27,840
the official plan and zoning stage, I

674
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,120
would say that the servicing review is a

675
00:26:30,120 --> 00:26:31,840
little bit higher level. Like, it is

676
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,880
that what you said, is there are there

677
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,920
pipes there? Is there servicing there?

678
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,280
And then as um you move through what we

679
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,640
call a detailed engineering design, that

680
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,560
happens both at the site plan stage and

681
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,960
the draft plan of subdivi- subdivision

682
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,320
stage, um that's when you get a little

683
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,480
bit more detail about all the things

684
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,560
you're talking about. Um, in terms of,

685
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,200
you know, what the existing residents um

686
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,560
will experience, um

687
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,960
we we need to kind of hear that from the

688
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,600
existing residents because we don't

689
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,320
necessarily know what everybody's water

690
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:10,600
pressure um is like. Um, but um fire and

691
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,400
this is an example, fire flow um

692
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,320
hydrant, that has to happen every single

693
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,640
time. And so, people have to do flow

694
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,800
tests and all those sorts of things. And

695
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,080
sometimes there is work required um for

696
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,000
them to do in and around the hydrant to

697
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,160
make sure that fire would get the

698
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,200
appropriate pressure. So, at this stage

699
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,480
um tonight, we, you know, as I said, we

700
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,360
would be like, are the pipes there? Uh

701
00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:32,840
whereas as we get into that more

702
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,400
detailed engineering design, all of

703
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,880
those factors get looked at.

704
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,040
Perfect. And and I oh

705
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,360
obviously, sorry, through you, Chair,

706
00:27:42,360 --> 00:27:44,840
just as a supplementary. Um

707
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,240
that was some of the comments made at

708
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,400
the neighborhood meeting, the uh the one

709
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,240
we had on online that some of the

710
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:55,400
concern was on the infrastructure. And then just maybe uh another one that

711
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:56,280
is

712
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:57,840
a growing concern in the neighborhood.

713
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,600
And look,

714
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,320
for 8 years I've been working on it, and

715
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,760
I know staff have done everything in

716
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,240
their power to help me achieve things

717
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,560
with like the opening of Sproul, um

718
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,920
sidewalk connecting this existing

719
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,840
neighborhoods to the rest of the city,

720
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:14,960
which, you know, some of this

721
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:16,880
development would achieve in gapping

722
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,920
that as they would have those townhomes

723
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,800
on Miller, which is a great additive.

724
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:22,480
Um,

725
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,040
but one of the concerns is because there

726
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,159
is only two entrances in, which would be

727
00:28:26,159 --> 00:28:28,600
from Edgehill or Miller.

728
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,000
And you know, we've had some incidents

729
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,000
um Highway 90, County Road 90,

730
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,080
being

731
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,159
you know, a a major arterial road that

732
00:28:37,159 --> 00:28:39,240
brings people into our city. And there's

733
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:40,960
been some horrific accidents at the

734
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,080
corner, and then it backs up. And people

735
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,960
trying to get home from work or to work

736
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,840
are suffering. When we did the repaving

737
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,080
last year,

738
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:50,720
you're looking at 2 3 hours. And I

739
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,400
noticed this development, both entrances

740
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:57,040
are on Miller. And uh so,

741
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,360
maybe this isn't to staff and maybe to

742
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,120
the presenter. Um and anybody from your

743
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,240
team can that is

744
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,320
willing to look at this. Um

745
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,560
that I know in the public meeting, there

746
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,480
was a real concern with the traffic of

747
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,640
both entrances on Miller. And you know,

748
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,640
further to that, we've got a brand new

749
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,640
building, which is going to create 150

750
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:24,280
jobs right on Dunlop with um

751
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,000
Sherwin-Williams now moving and

752
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,440
relocating to Barrie.

753
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,400
So, there is some safety concerns in the

754
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,000
neighborhood already that I've had with

755
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,960
that. You know, you're talking big

756
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,000
trucks entering a road that people are

757
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,159
doing 80 km and slow pace coming out of

758
00:29:39,159 --> 00:29:43,360
their driveway. I was just wondering in some of the questions of where the

759
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,280
building was placed, and I know this is

760
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,760
all zoning, but I just thought if if you

761
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,720
guys had taken any of the comments made

762
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,680
in the neighborhood meeting to consider,

763
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:53,880
you know,

764
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,360
relocating some of the design of your

765
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,160
thing or looking at an entrance to maybe

766
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,720
work with our staff to have a signalized

767
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,640
intersection on the Dunlop side to enter

768
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,760
in on this subdivision, also eliminating

769
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,560
the safety concerns that with the

770
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,440
Sherwood Williams, you know, big trucks

771
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:13,920
and it's a distribution center, so it's

772
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:15,720
going to be heavy flow of trucks, and I

773
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,280
was just wondering there is some area

774
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,160
there, I know it's

775
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:21,360
in this proposal it's going to be

776
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,360
environmental, but if there was an

777
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,120
opportunity maybe

778
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,560
to maybe move that over some commercial

779
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,880
over on that side and maybe moving the

780
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,400
building closer to the Dunlop. I was

781
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:32,480
wondering if you took any of those

782
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,080
comments and if there was an

783
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:35,800
opportunity, I understand that you had

784
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,920
to submit a proposal and waited on

785
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,840
comments, which I don't know if you

786
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,720
received from staff,

787
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,200
um, preliminary comments from our

788
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:44,240
meeting.

789
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,280
And I was just wondering if, uh, there

790
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:47,640
was any consideration of some of the

791
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:48,920
comments made in that neighborhood

792
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:50,720
meeting.

793
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:51,920
Through you, Chair Nixon and Deputy

794
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,880
Mayor Thompson. Uh, yes, certainly. So,

795
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,760
we, uh, we did the neighborhood meeting.

796
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,920
It was It was well-attended. It was very

797
00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,480
cordial, very professional, and we got a

798
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,360
lot of good feedback there.

799
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:02,960
Um, we proceeded to submission and we're

800
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,600
still collecting, um, the comments. We

801
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,120
have some of them, we don't have all of

802
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,440
them. And then, of course, tonight. Um,

803
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,280
so, gaining all of that feedback, we

804
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:12,880
certainly are not married to the concept

805
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,320
plan as is, and we're we're definitely

806
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:15,960
going to look at, um,

807
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,640
how to best address the comments to the

808
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,920
extent possible. So, so, the answer is

809
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:21,880
yes.

810
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,160
Perfect. And, uh, thank you. And And

811
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,000
look, um,

812
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,480
I don't think anybody in the public

813
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,080
meeting was against development. Yes,

814
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:30,800
some people looked at, uh,

815
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,000
the existing, [snorts] you know, wooded

816
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,240
area, and, you know, I I fielded some

817
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,280
calls today understanding and explaining

818
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:37,880
to residents that it's privately owned

819
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,920
land and it's not a city property where,

820
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:42,040
you know, if we chose to leave it as a

821
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:43,440
park or something, so, you know, we

822
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:44,760
can't tell people what to do with their

823
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,320
assets. You know, and but I I actually

824
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,640
appreciate, you know, the back and forth

825
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,920
and the the open dialogue with,

826
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,120
you know, your clients where they they

827
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:56,679
are understanding, they want to be good

828
00:31:56,679 --> 00:31:58,800
neighbors, you know, keeping a mature

829
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:00,120
tree line,

830
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,160
considering, you know, looking at some

831
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:03,960
of the concerns of the residents. So, I

832
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,520
appreciate that and I look forward to

833
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,160
the opened, um, dialogue back and forth

834
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,240
so that we can move this along and and

835
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,400
make everybody in the neighborhood feel

836
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,560
that their voice was heard and, uh, you

837
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:18,720
know, we can continue to be good

838
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:24,052
neighbors. So, thank you. Absolutely.

839
00:32:24,062 --> 00:32:24,600
» [clears throat]

840
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,880
>> Uh, are there other members of committee

841
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:31,310
that have questions of clarification?

842
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,870
Any non-members of committee?

843
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,160
No? Okay. If anyone has any further

844
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:38,920
written comments, you can submit them to

845
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,320
Michelle Freethy, senior planner at

846
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,870
michelle.freethy@barrie.ca.

847
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,360
We will now move to our third public

848
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:48,960
meeting.

849
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:50,840
I will now call on Derek Battaglia,

850
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,679
owner and applicant to provide the

851
00:32:52,679 --> 00:32:54,600
presentation concerning amendment to the

852
00:32:54,600 --> 00:33:12,870
zoning bylaw for 205 Jean Street.

853
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:13,679
Okay.

854
00:33:13,679 --> 00:33:15,280
Good evening, Mayor, council members of

855
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,640
public. My name is Derek Battaglia. I'm

856
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:18,920
here to discuss a residential

857
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,400
development opportunity at 205 Jean

858
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,200
Street in Barrie.

859
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,480
I'm seeking approval for a site-specific

860
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,560
zoning bylaw amendment and draft plan of

861
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,600
subdivision to permit six new detached

862
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,920
freehold homes on a private lane. This

863
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:34,400
presentation will walk you through the

864
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,280
site location, our design approach, how

865
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,440
we've responded to community feedback,

866
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,000
and why this project serves the public

867
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:45,510
interest.

868
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,080
This aerial map shows 205 Jean Street in

869
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:49,960
relation to key landmarks for

870
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,560
recognition. The subject, uh, site is

871
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,040
located near Tyndale Park, Algonquin

872
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,520
Ridge Elementary School, and the general

873
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,760
Tyndale, uh, neighborhood.

874
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,480
This is a well-established residential

875
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,640
area with excellent access to amenities,

876
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,880
services, and transportation.

877
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:07,960
The location is already fully serviced

878
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:09,800
with municipal infrastructure, including

879
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,240
water, sewer, road access, making it

880
00:34:12,240 --> 00:34:14,800
ideal for a residential infill

881
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,470
development.

882
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,560
Here's a closer look at the specific

883
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,760
property. The site is outlined in red

884
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,320
and is located at the intersection of

885
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,320
Cox Mill Road and Jean Street.

886
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:28,840
You can see the surrounding street

887
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,720
network, including Bowman Court and Dock

888
00:34:30,720 --> 00:34:32,399
Road. The property is currently

889
00:34:32,399 --> 00:34:34,240
underutilized, and our proposal will

890
00:34:34,240 --> 00:34:36,399
make efficient use of this land within

891
00:34:36,399 --> 00:34:38,879
an an established neighborhood. The site

892
00:34:38,879 --> 00:34:41,359
has direct access to Jean Street, which

893
00:34:41,359 --> 00:34:42,840
will serve as the primary connection

894
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,359
point for the private new lane accessing

895
00:34:45,359 --> 00:34:47,760
the six proposed lots.

896
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,359
This immediate neighborhood, previously

897
00:34:49,359 --> 00:34:50,919
part of the town of Innisfil, was known

898
00:34:50,919 --> 00:34:53,359
as a cottage area, privately serviced

899
00:34:53,359 --> 00:34:55,960
with septic and well on old cottage

900
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,320
roads. This area was annexed to the city

901
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,359
of Barrie with its zoning reflective of

902
00:35:00,359 --> 00:35:01,920
the infrastructure in place at that

903
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,080
time.

904
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:04,440
Since then, major infrastructure

905
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:05,880
improvements have been made to bring

906
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,000
this area to city standards, but the R1

907
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,359
zoning has remained the same.

908
00:35:10,359 --> 00:35:11,920
Over time, the cottages have been

909
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,160
converted to year-round, and others have

910
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,000
been torn down to make way for new homes

911
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:17,160
and/or properties that have been

912
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,359
subdivided to create new homes on new

913
00:35:19,359 --> 00:35:23,070
lots.

914
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:24,880
This ground-level photo, uh,

915
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,640
unfortunately shows a lot of snow, uh,

916
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,040
that the site presents an excellent

917
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:30,920
opportunity for sensitive residential

918
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,840
infill that will complement the

919
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,840
surrounding neighborhood character.

920
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,920
In the background, you can see the homes

921
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,640
of Bowman Court designs of two-story

922
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,800
with walk-out basements, and because of

923
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,840
the grade change from Bowman Court to

924
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,720
Jean Street, the Bowman homes present as

925
00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:48,880
three-story elevations from the subject

926
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,840
site on Jean Street.

927
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,280
Um, there's This is actually a video. Is

928
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,040
there a button to press that, uh, will

929
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,640
play the video or

930
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,760
If I press the next button, can we see?

931
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,680
Okay, great. There it goes.

932
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,520
Um, continuing east on Jean Street, the

933
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,120
immediate neighboring home being an

934
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,120
original 1950s 1,000 square foot brick

935
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,160
bungalow with no garage,

936
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:14,960
and we have carefully considered the

937
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,840
existing trees and natural features in

938
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:22,270
our planning process.

939
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,160
This is our conceptual plan showing the

940
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,880
proposed layout of the six new lots

941
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,120
and private detached lots here. The

942
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:30,960
homes will be arranged along a new

943
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,600
private lane that extends from Jean

944
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,320
Street. Each lot labeled one through six

945
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,040
will accommodate a detached

946
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:38,960
single-family home.

947
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,560
Particular attention to setbacks and

948
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,120
green buffers have been considered to

949
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,920
maximize privacy for the new homes and

950
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,870
existing.

951
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,680
The community input has been critical in

952
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,760
shaping this this proposal. At the June

953
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,080
19th neighborhood meeting, residents

954
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:56,960
expressed specific concerns, and we

955
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,560
listened carefully and made significant

956
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,200
changes.

957
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:01,440
Let me highlight what we've done in

958
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,800
response. We reduced the total number of

959
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,760
units from eight to six, a reduction of

960
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,440
25%. We increased the lot area from 209

961
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,359
square meters to 293 square meters.

962
00:37:12,359 --> 00:37:15,160
That's a 40% increase. Giving each home

963
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,760
more space, lot depth increased from 22

964
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,040
m to 26.4.

965
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,480
We increased frontages from 9.5 to 10.5,

966
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,480
and perhaps most importantly for parking

967
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,720
concerns, because of the reduced units

968
00:37:27,720 --> 00:37:29,640
and larger lots, we've allowed for the

969
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,080
upgrade from single car garages for up

970
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,560
to double car garages, and allowing each

971
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,160
home to have up to two cars in the

972
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:37,480
driveway

973
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,359
in addition to the garage.

974
00:37:39,359 --> 00:37:41,400
The gross floor area has also increased

975
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,200
from 131.7

976
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:44,880
to 168.5

977
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,040
square meters, allowing for larger, more

978
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,359
spacious homes. And the bottom line is

979
00:37:49,359 --> 00:37:51,400
fewer homes, larger lots, enhanced

980
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,760
parking potential, and better layout.

981
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,560
All all in direct response to what the

982
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,800
community told us mattered most.

983
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,040
Garbage and snow services are to be

984
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,280
handled privately amongst the individual

985
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,040
home owners.

986
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,440
So, this table, um, demonstrates how our

987
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,200
proposal aligns with the city's zoning

988
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,240
framework. The existing property is

989
00:38:11,240 --> 00:38:13,880
zoned R1, residential first density. We

990
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:15,600
are proposing to create lots that will

991
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,000
be zoned R2 special, a site-specific

992
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,960
residential second density designation.

993
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:23,720
Uh, we'll walk through the key standards

994
00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:26,920
here. Our frontage lot of 10.5 m meets

995
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,400
the standard. All setback require

996
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,800
requirements are met at 4.5 m for front

997
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,359
yard to dwelling, 7 m to the garage,

998
00:38:35,359 --> 00:38:37,720
appropriate side yards, and 7 m rear

999
00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:39,960
yards. Our lot coverage will be within

1000
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,400
the 45% maximum.

1001
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:43,680
Building heights will be limited to

1002
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,960
three stories, consistent with zoning,

1003
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,800
and our proposal maintains appropriate

1004
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,560
development standards for the

1005
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,560
established neighborhood. I would also

1006
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,480
like to point out that this proposal is

1007
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:54,960
fully consistent with federal and

1008
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,920
provincial planning frame framework

1009
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,440
under Bill 23, which is aimed at

1010
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,240
supporting more housing, especially

1011
00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:05,520
small-scale low-rise projects like this

1012
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:12,070
within existing urban areas.

1013
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:13,920
Okay, so, this is an,

1014
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:15,520
uh, previous house concept, but it gives

1015
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,880
us kind of a good idea here that here

1016
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,520
examples of the potential architectural

1017
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,640
concepts for the new homes. These

1018
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,280
renderings show attractive contemporary

1019
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,080
designs that will fit seamlessly within

1020
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,359
the character of the surrounding

1021
00:39:27,359 --> 00:39:29,520
neighborhood. The three-story design

1022
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,720
maximizes livable space while staying

1023
00:39:31,720 --> 00:39:34,760
within height, uh, height limits.

1024
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,520
The homes will feature quality materials

1025
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,800
and elevations to add visual interest,

1026
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,520
attached garages, and architectural

1027
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,680
details that reflect both modern

1028
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:43,800
preferences and neighborhood

1029
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,280
compatibility.

1030
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,200
They will not be cookie-cutter homes.

1031
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,320
Each will have design variations to

1032
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:54,790
create a diverse, appealing streetscape.

1033
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:56,440
A key planning principle is

1034
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,280
compatibility with existing neighborhood

1035
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,640
character, and our proposal meets this

1036
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,120
test. First, three-story detached home

1037
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:04,840
elevations at the deep Jean Street

1038
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,000
elevation are already established on the

1039
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,920
adjacent adjacent Newman Court lots.

1040
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:11,720
This is not a new form in the area.

1041
00:40:11,720 --> 00:40:13,440
There are two three-story dwellings one

1042
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,640
block away on Grey Lane. Second, the

1043
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,240
height, massing, and lot pattern of our

1044
00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:19,240
proposed homes are comparable to the

1045
00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:21,320
newer homes surrounding the site.

1046
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:22,760
Third, we've incorporated design

1047
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,280
elements specifically to ensure

1048
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,600
compatibility, and our rear yard depths

1049
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,440
provide substantial separation from

1050
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,040
neighboring properties.

1051
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:31,720
This isn't a departure from neighborhood

1052
00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:33,880
character. It's a natural continuation

1053
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:40,030
of the existing development pattern.

1054
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:41,720
Let me address why this project is in

1055
00:40:41,720 --> 00:40:43,480
the public interest and what benefits it

1056
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,520
brings to the community.

1057
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,360
First, we're adding six high-quality

1058
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,240
homes in a fully serviced built-up area.

1059
00:40:50,240 --> 00:40:54,280
This is efficient use of existing municipal infrastructure,

1060
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,520
water, sewer, roads, transit, that's

1061
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,480
already in place and underutilized. This

1062
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,120
is smart growth. Second, we're providing

1063
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,440
new housing choice in a desirable

1064
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,720
location close to schools, parks,

1065
00:41:05,720 --> 00:41:08,120
trails, and transit routes. Families

1066
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,000
will have access access to excellent

1067
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,440
amenities.

1068
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:12,960
Third, and I want to emphasize this

1069
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,320
point, our plan and design has been

1070
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:16,880
refined in direct response to

1071
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,760
neighborhood feedback. We didn't just

1072
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,440
listen to the concerns, we acted on

1073
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,440
them. We reduced the number of units,

1074
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,400
increased lot sizes, improved parking,

1075
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,600
and enhanced the overall layout. This is

1076
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,480
a collaborative planning that results in

1077
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,080
a better project for everyone.

1078
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:34,720
To summarize,

1079
00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:36,920
what we're asking for today is approval

1080
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:38,520
of a site-specific zoning bylaw

1081
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,400
amendment for 205 Jean Street to permit

1082
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,120
six detached dwellings on a private

1083
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:44,160
lane.

1084
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:45,800
Second, we're requesting approval of the

1085
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,400
draft plan of subdivision, plan of

1086
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,600
condominium, implementing the six-lot

1087
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,320
configuration as shown in the submitted

1088
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:52,520
plans.

1089
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:53,960
These approvals will allow us to move

1090
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,680
forward with a thoughtfully designed

1091
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,560
residential development that serves the

1092
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,720
community's housing needs, respects

1093
00:41:59,720 --> 00:42:02,200
neighborhood character, responds to to

1094
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,720
resident concerns, and makes efficient

1095
00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:08,440
use of existing infrastructure.

1096
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:09,360
Thank you for your time and

1097
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:10,840
consideration, and I'm happy to answer

1098
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,350
any questions you may have.

1099
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:15,800
Uh thank you.

1100
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:20,680
Um we will now move to public comments.

1101
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,790
Um

1102
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,440
There are five members of the public who

1103
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,160
have pre-registered to speak uh

1104
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:28,880
regarding our third public meeting in

1105
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,360
person.

1106
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:36,320
Um I now invite uh Leslie Kucherawy uh

1107
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,440
if in the building.

1108
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,760
Okay. Thank you.

1109
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:42,920
Yep.

1110
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:44,960
Um please begin by stating your first

1111
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:50,280
and last name and address for the record. And uh you have 5

1112
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,320
minutes. Okay, great. Uh Leslie

1113
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:56,240
Kucherawy, I live at 206 Jean Street.

1114
00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:58,080
Thank you for the presentation and for

1115
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,360
the opportunity to provide feedback.

1116
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:02,960
While I appreciate the changes have been

1117
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:04,880
made to the proposal,

1118
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,080
most of my previously submitted concerns

1119
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,400
remain.

1120
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,040
We are here this evening because this

1121
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,080
property is lacking a fundamental

1122
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,680
characteristic for development.

1123
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,360
That characteristic is street frontage.

1124
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,760
This property is landlocked. The parcel

1125
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,400
does not have direct frontage on a

1126
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,960
public street, which is required under

1127
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:26,800
the Ontario Planning Act for the

1128
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,200
creation of buildable lots.

1129
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,560
The proposal attempts to circumvent this

1130
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,960
deficiency by creating a private

1131
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,360
laneway, but this is inconsistent with

1132
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:41,280
the surrounding neighborhood pattern.

1133
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,520
The applicant previously proposed this

1134
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,640
property for development. However, it

1135
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,480
was denied by the city by the city as it

1136
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:49,760
was deemed

1137
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,920
unsuitable due to the lack of frontage.

1138
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,200
In 2006,

1139
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,040
the Ontario Land Tribunal upheld the

1140
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,000
decision.

1141
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,040
The zoning bylaw does not support this

1142
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,840
property for development.

1143
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,680
The local community does not support

1144
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,680
this property for development.

1145
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:10,760
The Ontario Land Tribunal's rationale

1146
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,400
for denial stated,

1147
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,440
"Quote, in particular, the frontage is

1148
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,000
not appropriate.

1149
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,280
In addition, the board finds that the

1150
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,400
variance for the lot frontage does not

1151
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,920
maintain the general intent and purpose

1152
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,040
of the official plan and the zoning

1153
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,160
bylaw."

1154
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,240
Since then, the characteristics of

1155
00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:32,160
Barrie, planning considerations, and the

1156
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,880
need for housing have changed.

1157
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,840
However, the characteristics of this

1158
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,640
property have not changed.

1159
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,960
Circumventing the frontage deficiency by

1160
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:44,680
creating a private laneway under a

1161
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:46,800
podal, which is a parcel of tied land

1162
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,280
arrangement undermines the clarity and

1163
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,440
purpose of the zoning bylaw and creates

1164
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,520
uncertainty for Barrie residents who

1165
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,160
rely on R1 zoning to protect the

1166
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:57,520
established character of their

1167
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,880
neighborhoods.

1168
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:01,200
Approving this development sets a

1169
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,160
precedent for landlocked parcels to be

1170
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,359
developed using private laneways that

1171
00:45:05,359 --> 00:45:07,040
could lead to further piecemeal and

1172
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,280
condominium-based intensification in

1173
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:10,720
areas that are not designed to

1174
00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:12,880
accommodate it.

1175
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,120
The planning justification report makes

1176
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,040
35 references to the proposed

1177
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,560
development as gentle intensification.

1178
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,040
As an absolute number, six homes is a

1179
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,240
small number. However, not in the

1180
00:45:25,240 --> 00:45:27,320
context of Jean Street.

1181
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,120
The proposed development increases the

1182
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,040
total number of homes on Jean Street by

1183
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:32,680
40%

1184
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:34,840
and increases the total number of homes

1185
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,400
on the south side of the street by 75%.

1186
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,480
Regarding the lotting pattern,

1187
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,359
the proposed lot sizes at 277 square

1188
00:45:43,359 --> 00:45:45,520
meters represents a dramatic difference

1189
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,480
between what exists and what is proposed

1190
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,760
and cannot be characterized as gentle

1191
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,800
intensification.

1192
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:54,880
As such, the proposal does not respect

1193
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,359
the characteristics of the existing

1194
00:45:56,359 --> 00:45:58,760
neighborhood.

1195
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,680
To address any implication that my

1196
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:02,920
position is motivated by a not in my

1197
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:04,920
backyard attitude, it should be noted

1198
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:06,600
that I did not oppose the recent

1199
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,440
application for the lot severance at 369

1200
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,520
Tollendal Road.

1201
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,520
This property is literally in my

1202
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,560
backyard.

1203
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,240
Although I was disappointed with the

1204
00:46:17,240 --> 00:46:19,400
severance decision, I can see that the

1205
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,359
new lots will maintain a degree of

1206
00:46:21,359 --> 00:46:24,440
continuity with the surrounding homes.

1207
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,560
Unfortunately, the same cannot be said

1208
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,160
for the current proposal.

1209
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:30,680
Uh the presentation made several

1210
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,600
references to the area being fully

1211
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,200
serviced. I I must point out that some

1212
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,560
homes on Jean Street lack basic

1213
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,280
municipal services, mine being one of

1214
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,040
them as the older homes are not

1215
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,440
connected to the sewer system.

1216
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,240
I am concerned that additional

1217
00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:48,760
development is being considered ahead of

1218
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,240
ensuring the existing homes have the

1219
00:46:51,240 --> 00:46:54,800
necessary municipal services.

1220
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:56,640
For these reasons

1221
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,440
and the additional concerns that you're

1222
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,000
going to hear from uh my community, I

1223
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,280
respectfully request that the proposed

1224
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,200
amendment be denied.

1225
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:09,560
Thank you.

1226
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:14,217
Um I now invite uh Carol Germain.

1227
00:47:14,217 --> 00:47:23,950
>> [applause]

1228
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:25,359
» Would you like to go at the end? That's

1229
00:47:25,359 --> 00:47:26,400
fine.

1230
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,160
Um

1231
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,840
How about uh Rymer Gartner?

1232
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:33,440
Mr. Gartner, please uh approach the

1233
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,760
podium and uh state your first and last

1234
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,000
name

1235
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,560
and your address for the record, and I

1236
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,600
will remind you that you have 5 minutes

1237
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,400
as well. Thank you.

1238
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,480
My name is Rymer Gartner. I live at 203

1239
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,277
Jean Street, Riding Store.

1240
00:47:48,277 --> 00:47:50,550
>> [clears throat]

1241
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:52,640
» I just wanted to highlight two um two

1242
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,880
items that are particular importance to

1243
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,000
me.

1244
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,240
Uh the first one being the the request

1245
00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:01,200
to rezone this property from R1

1246
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,520
to a modified R2.

1247
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,080
I just want to preface what I'm going to

1248
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:07,960
say by saying I am not uh

1249
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:11,320
anti-development. If this

1250
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:15,480
proposal was from R1 to an actual R2, I

1251
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,280
would be quite for it.

1252
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:21,440
Uh the minimum R2 dimensions are nowhere

1253
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,600
near being met here.

1254
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,040
What we have is a development that

1255
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,280
involves lot sizes so small and houses

1256
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,640
so close together, they don't even meet

1257
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,200
the R4 minimums

1258
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,040
for zoning.

1259
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:37,800
And the area that we're talking about,

1260
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:39,240
South Shore,

1261
00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:43,200
has no R4 single homes anywhere. They

1262
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:46,840
don't have We don't have R3 even.

1263
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:48,520
Um

1264
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,080
so [clears throat]

1265
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:51,720
as Leslie mentioned, I don't think this

1266
00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:53,320
isn't gentle

1267
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,520
uh intensification.

1268
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,920
I think that uh this is a radical change

1269
00:48:57,920 --> 00:48:59,840
from the R1 and R2 that we find

1270
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:01,800
ourselves surrounded by,

1271
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,400
and uh I believe this

1272
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,600
uh proposal is inappropriate and and uh

1273
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,600
sets a bad precedent for future

1274
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,480
development.

1275
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,359
The other thing um

1276
00:49:13,359 --> 00:49:15,560
the only other issue that I have is the

1277
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,760
about the intensification of the actual

1278
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,800
buildings themselves.

1279
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,280
The uh the planning uh report states

1280
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:24,840
that the proposed dwellings are

1281
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,120
anticipated to be designed in a manner

1282
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,320
that allows purchasers

1283
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,359
the option to incorporate a second

1284
00:49:31,359 --> 00:49:35,680
residential unit within the home.

1285
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,520
Uh as I read it, construction for two

1286
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,640
families under one roof is a duplex by

1287
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,160
definition.

1288
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,560
And the report itself says that duplexes

1289
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:47,440
are prohibited. So, I just wanted to

1290
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:48,880
flag that

1291
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:50,640
uh, to make sure that there's not some

1292
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,320
kind of end run around the the

1293
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,040
prohibition against multiplexes

1294
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:56,440
um,

1295
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:58,120
in the end.

1296
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,440
Thank you very much.

1297
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:01,899
Thank you, sir.

1298
00:50:01,899 --> 00:50:04,390
>> [applause]

1299
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:12,230
» I now invite Adam Holman.

1300
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:13,720
Please begin by stating your first and

1301
00:50:13,720 --> 00:50:18,800
last name and address for the record and

1302
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:20,400
you'll have 5 minutes. Perfect. Thank

1303
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:21,080
you very much. Thanks for the

1304
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:22,800
opportunity tonight.

1305
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,600
My name is Adam Holman and I live at 245

1306
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:27,080
Dock Road.

1307
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,960
I live directly behind the proposed

1308
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:33,320
development at 205 Gene Street.

1309
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,000
I'm not just someone who reviewed the

1310
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,240
plans online. I back directly onto this

1311
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:40,720
property. I see the land every single

1312
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:43,880
day through every single season.

1313
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,120
I experience first hand how the area

1314
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,840
behaves especially when it comes to

1315
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,680
drainage and water flow.

1316
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,640
Over the past week, I started a

1317
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:55,840
community petition to better understand

1318
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,200
how others in the area feel about this

1319
00:50:58,200 --> 00:50:59,760
development.

1320
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:03,390
In just 7 days,

1321
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,640
we received over 275

1322
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:11,975
signatures opposing this project.

1323
00:51:11,985 --> 00:51:14,470
» [applause]

1324
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,880
» What's important to highlight

1325
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:18,920
is that this wasn't broad random

1326
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,640
outreach. Over 90% of these signatures

1327
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,640
came from individuals within the L4N

1328
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,600
postal code area.

1329
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,200
Which, of many, live just a stone's

1330
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,600
throw away from this site.

1331
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,200
This shows that the concern is local and

1332
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:36,960
shared by people who are directly

1333
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,040
impacted.

1334
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,480
The concerns were here were here fall in

1335
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,920
a couple main categories: drainage,

1336
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:45,160
safety,

1337
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:49,190
and overall fit within our neighborhood.

1338
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,240
From my direct experience, drainage is

1339
00:51:51,240 --> 00:51:53,800
already a serious issue in this area.

1340
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,040
After every rainfall or during spring

1341
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,440
thaw, there is significant pooling and

1342
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,520
standing water across the property. Yes,

1343
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,320
it can be diverted, but my good friend

1344
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,160
Jason, who lives at the bottom of the

1345
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,600
hill, is going to have an even bigger

1346
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,720
issue than he does right now.

1347
00:52:11,720 --> 00:52:14,360
As a father of two

1348
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,640
under 10 years old, there's also

1349
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,840
concerns around safety.

1350
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:20,840
Increased density brings increased

1351
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,400
traffic, strain on infrastructure, and

1352
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,480
changes to the character of the area.

1353
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,960
Think about waste collection day. Big

1354
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:31,600
trucks, low visibility, and kids walking

1355
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:35,080
home on a road without sidewalks.

1356
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,400
So, I'll wrap up by standing here on

1357
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,760
behalf of the 276

1358
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,280
people who signed this petition to

1359
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,760
oppose this development. Thank you for

1360
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:46,680
your time and for taking all this into

1361
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:50,226
consideration.

1362
00:52:50,236 --> 00:52:53,790
» [applause]

1363
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:57,000
» Uh, Kate Ellis, I now invite you to um,

1364
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,560
approach the podium.

1365
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:00,800
Again, please begin by stating your

1366
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:02,960
first and last name and your address for

1367
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,910
the record.

1368
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:10,360
My name is Kate Ellis and I live at 233

1369
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:11,760
Dock Road,

1370
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:13,640
um, which is just a few doors down from

1371
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,000
Adam.

1372
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,120
Um, good evening Council, Council Chair,

1373
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,600
and uh, thank you to Mr. Battaglia for

1374
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,760
presenting an updated proposal for us

1375
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:24,840
this evening. I think it's important to

1376
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,600
recognize that the applicant did listen

1377
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,560
to a lot of the things we said and in an

1378
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,560
effort of good faith, I'm assuming made

1379
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:35,840
some changes to his proposal and I think

1380
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,320
that that's important to state.

1381
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,920
Um, I'm here with the support, obviously

1382
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:42,440
you've seen, of my neighborhood to

1383
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:44,320
express our collective opposition to the

1384
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,880
proposed development. We plan to present

1385
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,160
several and I I plan to speak first,

1386
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:50,160
sorry.

1387
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,520
Um, we have presented several

1388
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:53,600
well-researched and carefully

1389
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:55,440
thought-out arguments urging our elected

1390
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,680
officials to carefully evaluate the

1391
00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:59,520
technical and cultural merits of the

1392
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,920
proposed development while upholding the

1393
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:03,440
planning framework that governs the

1394
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,280
future of our neighborhoods and broader

1395
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:06,920
municipality.

1396
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:08,920
I recognize that the province has placed

1397
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,080
a strong emphasis on increasing housing

1398
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,080
supply and that municipalities like

1399
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,400
Barrie are working to respond to that

1400
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:16,720
direction.

1401
00:54:16,720 --> 00:54:18,760
A common and well-supported way to do

1402
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,280
this is with infill developments. It is

1403
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:22,800
seen as an efficient way to increase

1404
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,359
housing supply while maintaining

1405
00:54:24,359 --> 00:54:26,280
responsible land use.

1406
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,800
However, both provincial policy and the

1407
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,200
City of Barrie official plan are clear

1408
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,600
that growth must occur in appropriate

1409
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,280
strategic locations. Increased housing

1410
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,520
supply does not mean that any form of

1411
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,240
development is appropriate in any

1412
00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:41,680
location.

1413
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:43,720
In this instance, I'm concerned that a

1414
00:54:43,720 --> 00:54:45,680
broader push for more housing is being

1415
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:47,760
used to justify an infill

1416
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,280
intensification

1417
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,480
that despite being proposed as gentle

1418
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:53,440
intensification by the applicant and the

1419
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,560
representatives, is in direct

1420
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:57,000
contradiction to the city's own

1421
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,000
objectives and strategies for growth.

1422
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,920
The proposed draft plan of subdivision

1423
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:03,920
and zoning bylaw amendment request are

1424
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:05,560
not only inappropriate giving the

1425
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:07,600
significant change in lot characteristic

1426
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,280
from existing built form, but do not

1427
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,080
meet the intensification guidelines

1428
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:15,000
within the City of Barrie official plan.

1429
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,200
The official plan states that intimate

1430
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,320
intensification will be directed to

1431
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,040
appropriate locations including

1432
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:24,120
corridors, nodes, and areas with access

1433
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,680
to higher order transit.

1434
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:29,320
The subject property is not within an

1435
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:32,400
identified intensification corridor nor

1436
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,560
within an urban growth area. It is not

1437
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:37,600
in close proximity to a major transit

1438
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,400
station area and it does not front onto

1439
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,400
an arterial or collector road.

1440
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,280
It is not within walking distance of a

1441
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,760
grocery store, a shopping area, a

1442
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,120
hospital, a community center, or

1443
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,040
otherwise employment zone. It is clear

1444
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:54,960
that the proposed development of 205

1445
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:56,640
Gene Street does not comply with the

1446
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,400
criteria for intensification set out in

1447
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,480
the official plan and therefore should

1448
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:03,880
not be supported by City Council.

1449
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:05,920
The city should seek to approve projects

1450
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:07,640
within previously identified

1451
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:10,320
intensification corridors corridors and

1452
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,960
urban growth areas prior to allowing

1453
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,160
selective infill intensification in

1454
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,359
neighborhood areas.

1455
00:56:17,359 --> 00:56:19,320
It is important to note that should this

1456
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:21,040
development be approved in its current

1457
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:23,200
form, it will set a decent dangerous

1458
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,120
precedent for speculative purchasing in

1459
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,320
our neighborhood. There are several lots

1460
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,520
in the Tollandale area similar to the

1461
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:31,480
subject lot that could be purchased and

1462
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,920
subject to intense infill development

1463
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,120
proposals resulting in a complete

1464
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,400
erosion of the existing character and

1465
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,440
context of our neighborhood.

1466
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,680
In fact, such lots exist throughout the

1467
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:44,560
city in Allandale neighborhoods, the

1468
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:46,680
East End and Sunnidale, which could lead

1469
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:48,840
to a patchwork of disconnected

1470
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,440
intensification zones. By approving this

1471
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,359
development, the city is given giving

1472
00:56:53,359 --> 00:56:55,240
its stamp of approval for more and more

1473
00:56:55,240 --> 00:56:58,280
random pockets of infill intensification

1474
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,680
within quiet residential neighborhoods

1475
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:02,560
without a unifying strategy for

1476
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,200
intentional urban planning.

1477
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:06,600
As you have come to learn, our

1478
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:08,480
neighborhood is intensely committed to

1479
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:09,640
holding the

1480
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:11,240
applicant, the representatives, and the

1481
00:57:11,240 --> 00:57:13,040
Council to the clear and specific

1482
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,120
standards set out in the current

1483
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:16,680
planning framework.

1484
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:18,640
We are not broadly opposed to all

1485
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:20,480
development in our neighborhood and we

1486
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,440
have historically been very supportive

1487
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:24,840
of other zoning bylaw amendments when

1488
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:26,080
they fit with the fabric of our

1489
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:27,320
community

1490
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:29,280
and uphold the goals of the entire

1491
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:30,880
municipality.

1492
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,680
Should this proposal be approved, we as

1493
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:35,520
a neighborhood have every intention of

1494
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:37,480
appealing the decision with the Ontario

1495
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,520
Land Tribunal and retaining outside

1496
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:41,680
counsel from a qualified urban planning

1497
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:46,299
specialist. Thank you.

1498
00:57:46,299 --> 00:57:49,390
>> [applause]

1499
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,520
» Okay.

1500
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:53,800
Carol Germain, are you ready?

1501
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:55,080
Uh,

1502
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:56,120
good.

1503
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:58,720
Um, again, please begin by stating your

1504
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,600
first and last name and address for the

1505
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:03,560
record.

1506
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:06,359
So, good evening um, members of Council,

1507
00:58:06,359 --> 00:58:09,520
Mayor. Um, my name is Carol Germain and

1508
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,640
I live on 17 Bowman Court. Excuse me,

1509
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:14,880
I'm not used to public speaking.

1510
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:16,920
Um, so you've heard tonight a number of

1511
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:20,359
thoughtful concerns and about safety,

1512
00:58:20,359 --> 00:58:22,920
infrastructure, the environment, and

1513
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,520
neighborhood fit. And so, I won't repeat

1514
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,440
them. Instead, I'd like to step back and

1515
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,720
focus on this decision before you.

1516
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,080
Planning decisions are meant to ensure

1517
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:37,320
that development is compatible and does

1518
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:40,080
not create adverse impact, but that

1519
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,800
standards but that standard can only be

1520
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,359
met if the full picture is clearly

1521
00:58:45,359 --> 00:58:46,880
understood.

1522
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:48,720
And right now, there are still important

1523
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:52,200
questions without clear answers.

1524
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,600
We all recognize that a property owner

1525
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:57,240
has the right to develop their land, but

1526
00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:59,480
having the right to do something is not

1527
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,280
the same as it being beneficial or

1528
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:04,120
appropriate for the surrounding

1529
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:06,240
community.

1530
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,280
That is why planning exists

1531
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,560
and we know that good planning carefully

1532
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:13,800
weighs individual rights against the

1533
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,240
collective impact.

1534
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:18,320
Excuse me.

1535
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:20,920
Um, and that brings me to a simple but

1536
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,600
critical point. We need to count the

1537
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,200
cost and fully understand the

1538
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:28,280
consequences before moving forward.

1539
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,080
When risks are not fully evaluated, they

1540
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:34,520
don't disappear, They show up later as

1541
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:36,920
problem well we'll have to address

1542
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:38,400
later.

1543
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,040
Um so these consequences affect

1544
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:42,920
residents, the neighborhood, and

1545
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,440
potentially the city itself.

1546
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,280
They appear as pressure on

1547
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,880
infrastructure, impact on safety, and

1548
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:52,840
challenges that complicate long-term

1549
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,360
planning, issues that are difficult and

1550
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:59,440
expensive to resolve once they emerge.

1551
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,440
So the question is not simply whether

1552
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,080
this project can proceed, it's whether

1553
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:06,920
it should proceed proceed before the

1554
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:09,840
costs are fully examined, understood,

1555
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:11,640
and addressed.

1556
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:13,680
Responsible planning is not just about

1557
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,240
enabling growth, it's about ensuring

1558
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:18,720
that growth does not create problem we

1559
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,080
will be left to solve later at a greater

1560
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:22,480
cost.

1561
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,480
Therefore, I respectfully ask council to

1562
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,400
take the time to ensure that the full

1563
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:31,160
impact, both immediate and long-term, is

1564
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:32,880
clearly understood before making a

1565
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:34,160
decision.

1566
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:36,200
Because once a decision is made, the

1567
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:38,680
consequences are real and difficult to

1568
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:39,920
reverse.

1569
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,496
Thank you very much.

1570
01:00:42,496 --> 01:00:48,630
>> [applause]

1571
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:50,320
» If there are any other members of the

1572
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:51,960
public who wish to provide comments,

1573
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:53,640
please approach the podium and begin by

1574
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:55,560
stating your first and last name and

1575
01:00:55,560 --> 01:01:01,310
address for the record.

1576
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:03,360
Seeing none.

1577
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:04,480
Um

1578
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:05,600
members of the committee, do you have

1579
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:10,750
any questions of clarification?

1580
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:12,560
Councillor Harris. Thank you, Chair

1581
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:15,520
Nixon. And just want to begin by

1582
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:17,480
uh thanking all of the residents who

1583
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:20,480
submitted um um

1584
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:22,800
to the uh city prior to the meeting. I

1585
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,640
read those quite closely. And all those

1586
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:26,880
who came and spoke tonight and those who

1587
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:28,200
have emailed me. Thank you for your

1588
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:29,720
engagement. It's a really important

1589
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:32,200
thing to do and and your voice and your

1590
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:35,240
concerns and interests are are critical.

1591
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:36,920
Um I also want to remind people there's

1592
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:38,200
no decision being made tonight. There's

1593
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:40,960
no vote being made tonight. So um just

1594
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:42,960
everybody can relax easy that there's no

1595
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:45,960
vote. Uh so but we're really interested

1596
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:48,000
in getting information at this point in

1597
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,240
this process. We're getting information

1598
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:52,800
and hopefully helping inform uh staff as

1599
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:55,000
they look at this uh in a closer and

1600
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:56,280
more detail.

1601
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:59,320
Um and I also want to to say um

1602
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:01,360
uh thank you to everybody for the

1603
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:04,200
thoughtful and respectful approach uh to

1604
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:06,760
the presentations. I think um

1605
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:07,360
uh

1606
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:08,960
you know, not not always are

1607
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,160
neighborhoods uh that thoughtful, that

1608
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,680
respectful, and you know, you're as we

1609
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:15,040
all know, you're speaking to somebody

1610
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:16,800
from your neighborhood. And I also want

1611
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:19,240
to recognize that you thanked uh this is

1612
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:20,520
not the same application we saw at the

1613
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:22,000
neighbor at the neighborhood, pardon me,

1614
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,600
the neighborhood meeting. So uh you you

1615
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:25,800
did recognize and appreciate there was

1616
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:27,440
recognition that this is different. It's

1617
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:29,360
there's been um whether it's to the

1618
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:31,480
degree people like or not, it's been

1619
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:34,960
modified with intention to meet uh

1620
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:36,600
things that were brought forward at the

1621
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:38,320
neighborhood meeting. So thank you. That

1622
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:39,720
was noted to Mr. Battaglia, so thank you

1623
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,240
for that. And uh I also thank you, Mr.

1624
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:44,080
Battaglia, for actually hearing and and

1625
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:45,560
responding to those. I think that's an

1626
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:47,800
important recognition as well. And just

1627
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:49,160
on that theme, and maybe through you,

1628
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:52,360
Chair Nixon, um to um

1629
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:54,080
Mr. Battaglia, there was a comment made

1630
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:58,240
about the um potential for the six units

1631
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:00,720
to be duplexes. Want to see you want to

1632
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:02,400
speak to that just because that comment

1633
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:03,880
was made and and if you want to clarify

1634
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:05,560
anything on that regard.

1635
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:07,680
Um these units are single family

1636
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:11,840
detached and uh expected to conform with

1637
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:15,360
uh the zoning um standards of the R2

1638
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:18,870
with the special provision.

1639
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:20,800
Thank you. And maybe through you, Chair,

1640
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,720
to Ms. Banfield, um

1641
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:26,360
with what's proposed, regardless of

1642
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:29,080
whether it was designed or included as

1643
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:31,440
part of the selling features, would

1644
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:34,040
these six units, people who own them be

1645
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:36,440
able to make them into a secondary units

1646
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:38,840
if they wanted to?

1647
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:40,880
Through you, Chair Nixon, to Councillor

1648
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:42,840
Harris. Because these lots, these new

1649
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:44,560
proposed lots would be on a private

1650
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:46,600
road, they would not be able to do the

1651
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:48,720
accessory dwelling units

1652
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:52,520
um in the same way that um a lot that

1653
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:55,120
would be fronting onto a municipal road

1654
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:56,840
would be able to.

1655
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:59,720
Okay. And so I I know we're using some

1656
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:01,920
and a very well-informed group here.

1657
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:03,760
Accessory dwelling unit, does that mean

1658
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:05,240
they couldn't put a second suite in the

1659
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:08,080
basement or could?

1660
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:10,640
Through you, Chair Nixon, to Councillor

1661
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:12,000
Harris. So

1662
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:13,760
right now in this in not to confuse

1663
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:16,000
things, you could do if you had a single

1664
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:19,359
detached lot that fronted onto a public

1665
01:04:19,359 --> 01:04:21,920
road, um provided you can meet the

1666
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:24,040
standards, you could do up to four units

1667
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:25,320
per lot.

1668
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:28,120
Um but that doesn't apply when a lot

1669
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:31,720
fronts onto a private road, which is in

1670
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:34,760
the case um for this application.

1671
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:37,560
Okay, thank you. And and

1672
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:39,880
through you again, Chair Nixon, to Ms.

1673
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:41,720
Banfield. It was also mentioned, I saw

1674
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:42,880
on page 15, I think it was the

1675
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:44,960
justification report that was submitted,

1676
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:46,720
it talked about the I think I'm quoting

1677
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:48,200
the surrounding properties consist of

1678
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:50,240
urban residential developed area, which

1679
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:51,600
are serviced by municipal water and

1680
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:53,440
sewers. And I think we've heard tonight

1681
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:55,520
that's not completely accurate if I'm

1682
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:57,440
correct, and I know I mean including Mr.

1683
01:04:57,440 --> 01:04:58,760
Battaglia has been an advocate for

1684
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,600
urbanizing this area himself. So and

1685
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:03,400
there are still

1686
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:05,600
many, if not most of the homes or all

1687
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:08,040
the homes on Gene Street would be on

1688
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:13,390
septics?

1689
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:16,760
Through you, uh Chair Nixon, to uh

1690
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:18,680
Councillor Harris. I'm not I'm not

1691
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:20,840
actually sure of all of the details. I

1692
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:23,160
just know that in the in the city zoning

1693
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:24,920
bylaw and and in the official plan, it

1694
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:26,920
says new development has to be serviced

1695
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:29,680
by um municipal services, but we could

1696
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:32,160
certainly take that back and uh respond

1697
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:34,359
to council on which properties are

1698
01:05:34,359 --> 01:05:37,000
serviced by municipal services versus

1699
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,040
private services. Great, thank you. And

1700
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:41,240
if I can continue, um

1701
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:43,000
in the capital plan, I know residents

1702
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,320
have been frustrated over the years with

1703
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:47,200
the urbanization being moved back in the

1704
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:50,240
capital plan, and we've advocated. Um

1705
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:52,760
can you I I saw I should have asked you

1706
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:53,840
before, so I apologize for putting you

1707
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:55,040
on the spot. Do you know in the capital

1708
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:57,800
plan where the urbanization of Gene

1709
01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:00,910
Street currently sits?

1710
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:02,600
Through you, Chair Nixon, to Councillor

1711
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:04,240
Harris. I'm afraid I don't, but again, I

1712
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:06,359
could certainly find that information

1713
01:06:06,359 --> 01:06:07,960
out for you. Yeah,

1714
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:09,080
there's probably a resident who knows. I

1715
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:10,640
know it got pushed back. It's uh been

1716
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:12,640
pushed back unfortunately. Derek, you

1717
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:14,400
know it's been pushed back, right? Yeah,

1718
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:17,120
so um that remains a concern for the

1719
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:19,600
area, uh the urbanization.

1720
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:20,400
Um

1721
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:22,560
also, I think you know, when we looked

1722
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:24,040
at the memo from the city, it talked

1723
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:26,480
about three key planning matters. One

1724
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:27,520
was compliance with the provincial

1725
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:29,359
planning. One was with the city's

1726
01:06:29,359 --> 01:06:30,680
official plan. And the other one, which

1727
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:32,880
was I think well articulated by

1728
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:34,480
residents tonight, was the integration

1729
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:35,560
of the proposed development into the

1730
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:36,880
existing neighborhood within the

1731
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:38,680
envisioned development and character of

1732
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:41,950
the area.

1733
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:45,040
Sorry, I muted myself. Uh

1734
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:47,920
maybe if um we could

1735
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:49,720
again through you, Chair Nixon, to Ms.

1736
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:51,920
Banfield, when we talk about those three

1737
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:54,400
key matters, and I know

1738
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:57,400
um planning is part science, part art,

1739
01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:59,160
and you know, we see in the

1740
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:01,440
justification report clearly, and we've

1741
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:03,960
I'm sure everybody's read it, um you

1742
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:06,560
know, Mr. Battaglia's

1743
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:07,400
um

1744
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:09,760
report talks about it meeting provincial

1745
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:12,400
and city's official plan. Uh however,

1746
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:14,359
the one thing that seems to be

1747
01:07:14,359 --> 01:07:15,960
really of interest and and and

1748
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:18,440
highlighted is the is the integration of

1749
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:19,200
the proposed development into the

1750
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:21,160
existing neighborhood with the character

1751
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:23,600
um feature. I wonder if you could speak

1752
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:27,680
to how staff um kind of manage that

1753
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:29,840
particular element cuz that seems very

1754
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:32,240
um a little more um

1755
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:35,040
subjective in some ways, but also

1756
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:36,359
you know,

1757
01:07:36,359 --> 01:07:38,000
uh objective in other ways. But I just

1758
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:39,240
wonder if you can talk a bit about how

1759
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:43,030
that gets sorted out by the city.

1760
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:45,400
Through you, Chair Nixon, to uh

1761
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:48,240
Councillor Harris. So it is tricky in

1762
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:51,680
the sense that, you know, staff um have

1763
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:53,520
submit many, many staff reports to

1764
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:55,960
council to approve applications that are

1765
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:59,080
much larger than six single detached

1766
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:01,560
homes. And so

1767
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:03,000
in in in that instance, and then here

1768
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:04,480
we're looking at something that is six

1769
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:07,040
single detached homes that is filling

1770
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:09,400
the council chambers more than some of

1771
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:13,160
our bigger projects are. In terms of the matters, the things that you talk

1772
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:15,480
about um in terms of character and and

1773
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:17,040
fitting into the community, things that

1774
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:19,920
planners look at, um is are things like

1775
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:21,719
the the existing road pattern, the

1776
01:08:21,719 --> 01:08:23,759
existing lot pattern, the size of the

1777
01:08:23,759 --> 01:08:27,120
existing lots, the front yard of the

1778
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:30,200
existing homes, the rear yard, um mature

1779
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:31,839
trees. Like there's there's actually a

1780
01:08:31,839 --> 01:08:34,759
whole bunch of things that go into what

1781
01:08:34,759 --> 01:08:37,000
makes a community and what makes builds

1782
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:39,719
the character of the community. So um

1783
01:08:39,719 --> 01:08:41,880
these would all be things that um

1784
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:43,680
planning staff would would take a look

1785
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:46,400
at. And there isn't, unfortunately, a

1786
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:49,000
magic number to say, you know,

1787
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:50,680
eight is too much, six is too much, two

1788
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:52,960
is too little. The these

1789
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:55,080
all get factored in and looked at. And

1790
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:56,880
the servicing piece you talked about, we

1791
01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:58,520
know what could actually be serviced.

1792
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:01,480
There are a lot of inputs to um you

1793
01:09:01,480 --> 01:09:03,359
know, what would bring a staff report

1794
01:09:03,359 --> 01:09:07,600
forward for recommendation for approval.

1795
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:10,160
Great, thank you. And um

1796
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:11,400
just and you maybe to help people

1797
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:15,880
understand what what is weighed, what isn't weighed, um

1798
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:17,880
there was a really good um detailing of

1799
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:19,480
the history of this property and efforts

1800
01:09:19,480 --> 01:09:22,040
that have been made uh to um

1801
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:23,319
utilize it in a different way than it

1802
01:09:23,319 --> 01:09:24,719
currently is.

1803
01:09:24,719 --> 01:09:27,560
Do any of those um

1804
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:31,520
uh findings or rulings uh factor into

1805
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:33,000
the decision that is made on this

1806
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:34,560
application or or if they do, how do

1807
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:37,150
they?

1808
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:39,120
Through you, Chair Nixon, to Councillor

1809
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:41,799
Harris. Um you know, so certainly

1810
01:09:41,799 --> 01:09:44,400
municipal land use planning is governed

1811
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:48,240
by provincial planning legislation that

1812
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:49,920
um I think the one application that was

1813
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:53,000
referenced was in 2006, so almost well,

1814
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:55,880
exactly 20 years ago. So, we do as a

1815
01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:58,040
municipality have to make sure that our

1816
01:09:58,040 --> 01:09:59,800
planning regime aligns with the

1817
01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:02,640
province. Um now, that being said, um

1818
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:05,600
intensification in 2006

1819
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:07,200
um is is very different than the

1820
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:10,400
intensification that we're seeing in 20

1821
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:13,120
26. Um so, the history doesn't

1822
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:16,240
necessarily reflect you know, how we

1823
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:17,840
evaluate today. Like, we would never

1824
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:20,320
look at an application in 2026 and say,

1825
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:22,680
"Oh, well, in 2006,

1826
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:23,960
you couldn't do this." Like, we wouldn't

1827
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:26,240
do it from that perspective. Um but, it

1828
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:27,680
does talk a lot about, you know,

1829
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:29,360
intensification

1830
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:32,360
um in the city can mean different things

1831
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:35,240
depending on where you are.

1832
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:36,960
Thank you. And that was a good segue I I

1833
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:38,640
cuz it was referenced

1834
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:42,000
the gentle density as a term and the 40%

1835
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:44,360
on the street as as a whole, the 75% on

1836
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:46,560
the one side of the street. Just curious

1837
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:48,320
how I Maybe again, it's it's great cuz

1838
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:49,720
we have a great crowd here and and

1839
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:51,520
they're very engaged and interested. Is

1840
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:53,040
that understanding of

1841
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:55,760
how does that get assessed and you know,

1842
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:57,280
when we look at

1843
01:10:57,280 --> 01:10:59,920
you know, the term gentle density. I

1844
01:10:59,920 --> 01:11:04,560
mean, it's uh and what is currently um

1845
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:05,880
experienced in that neighborhood,

1846
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:07,640
obviously, it's all I mean, all

1847
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:09,960
single-family homes, correct? The um I'm

1848
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:11,120
not even sure if there's accessory

1849
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:13,720
dwelling units on the street. Um but, um

1850
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:15,080
or any um

1851
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:15,960
in-law [clears throat] apartments type

1852
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:17,840
thing. But, how how does that get for

1853
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:19,200
maybe for people's benefit, how does

1854
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:20,680
that get adjudicated by the city or

1855
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:22,200
assessed?

1856
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:23,880
Through you,

1857
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:25,880
Chair Nixon, to Councillor Harris. I

1858
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:27,480
think what you're pointing at is exactly

1859
01:11:27,480 --> 01:11:29,320
really what the official plan is is

1860
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:31,600
trying to to do, and that's why there's

1861
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:33,480
different land use designations. There's

1862
01:11:33,480 --> 01:11:37,840
neighborhood area that's intended to um

1863
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:40,320
to to still have intensification, but

1864
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:41,640
it's going to be at a much different

1865
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:44,960
scale than um a property that's owned um

1866
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:47,240
high density or or even medium density.

1867
01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:49,840
So, um Council again has heard me say

1868
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:51,880
many times that intensification in one

1869
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:55,240
neighborhood could be one more house.

1870
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:56,680
Our intensification in another

1871
01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:58,560
neighborhood could be a six-story

1872
01:11:58,560 --> 01:11:59,960
walk-up, and in another neighborhood

1873
01:11:59,960 --> 01:12:05,640
could be a 20-story building. And it really does depend on what street

1874
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:07,320
it's on, what's around it, what

1875
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:09,640
environmental land is around it. And so,

1876
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:12,360
there isn't anything um that would say,

1877
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:13,200
you know, we wouldn't look at it

1878
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:14,240
instantly and make the same

1879
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:16,680
recommendation each time just because

1880
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:19,360
each piece of property is is unique.

1881
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:21,360
But, but definitely in an area like

1882
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:23,760
this, um you know, intensification, you

1883
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:26,520
would expect to see it as

1884
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:28,840
perhaps more single-detached homes

1885
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:31,200
versus an apartment building or or

1886
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:32,920
something higher density.

1887
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:33,800
Great.

1888
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:35,760
Yeah, I I got to be careful. I got I got

1889
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:37,240
to keep going on. There's a lot of

1890
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:40,040
questions. It's really important. Um

1891
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:42,640
How is character defined? And is that

1892
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:45,520
defined by in large by

1893
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:46,680
you know, the people who live there and

1894
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:48,240
what they see and experience of the

1895
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:49,520
neighborhood?

1896
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:51,160
How or how much does that weigh in to

1897
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:53,920
the equation of the character definition

1898
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:56,600
and and assessment of the area?

1899
01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:58,720
Through you, uh Chair Nixon, to

1900
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:01,160
Councillor Harris. So, character is one

1901
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:03,600
of those elements that really has been

1902
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:06,200
um reshaped by the provincial government

1903
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:11,000
in terms of legislation because there historically the the context of

1904
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:13,160
character, neighborhood character is

1905
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:14,720
that nothing should change. The

1906
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:16,720
neighborhood is as it is, and the

1907
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:18,480
character is it, and it can't change.

1908
01:13:18,480 --> 01:13:21,240
And so, that is one of the elements of

1909
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:24,160
um provincial legislation that has um

1910
01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:26,280
has has evolved in in the context that,

1911
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:31,320
you know, neighborhoods um can change. New homes and new residents

1912
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:34,120
can move into the areas um if things

1913
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:36,320
like, you know, buffers between existing

1914
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:38,680
uses are considered, transition in

1915
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:40,680
building form or building height, uh

1916
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:43,320
trying to keep mature vegetation, um

1917
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:45,280
compatible built forms, those types of

1918
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:48,320
things. So again, it really isn't a a

1919
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:50,600
kind of black or white, but but the the

1920
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:52,680
neighborhood character piece um as I

1921
01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:55,120
said, neighborhoods um community

1922
01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:57,080
building is is actually built by the

1923
01:13:57,080 --> 01:13:58,480
people and the people that live there

1924
01:13:58,480 --> 01:14:00,080
and the people that use the parks and go

1925
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:02,520
to the schools and and um but, it is

1926
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:05,536
making sure that that built form um fits

1927
01:14:05,536 --> 01:14:06,920
[clears throat] in as as best as it can.

1928
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:08,320
But, but neighborhood character, as I

1929
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:10,680
said, does not necessarily mean that

1930
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:12,520
nothing is going to change. And and lot

1931
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:15,440
size and lot configuration is a big part

1932
01:14:15,440 --> 01:14:17,320
of neighborhood character. Um and

1933
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:20,640
certainly we're hearing that from the community because obviously, the

1934
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:23,400
smaller the lots, um

1935
01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:25,120
the the built form is going to take be

1936
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:26,440
take more massing. There's going to be

1937
01:14:26,440 --> 01:14:27,920
fewer setbacks. There's going to be

1938
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:29,960
smaller setback like front yards and

1939
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:31,760
rear yards and those sorts of things.

1940
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:33,600
But, that's actually not unique to just

1941
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:35,360
this neighborhood. We've heard it um

1942
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:37,200
across the city as new developments come

1943
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:39,960
in. So, um but again, all of those

1944
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:41,920
things factor in, and it is going to be

1945
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:43,840
a different equation, if you will,

1946
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:46,160
depending on where you are in the city.

1947
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:47,720
Thank you. Yeah, this is this is great.

1948
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:49,320
I maybe I maybe my last question. I'll

1949
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:52,840
stop myself. Um one more question.

1950
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:55,280
When you look at the

1951
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:57,560
what are the sort of top three uh

1952
01:14:57,560 --> 01:15:00,160
factors that would most likely change

1953
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:00,960
the character of neighborhood? What

1954
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:08,390
would those top three be?

1955
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:11,720
Through you, Chair Nixon, to Councillor

1956
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:12,800
Harris.

1957
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:14,040
Um so, I don't I don't even know whether

1958
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:16,000
I could necessarily say a top three.

1959
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:17,200
But, you know, again, the things that

1960
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:19,680
I'd already talked about initially, um

1961
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:22,480
you are going to um the equation's going

1962
01:15:22,480 --> 01:15:24,440
to be different if it's an infill

1963
01:15:24,440 --> 01:15:27,040
project like something like this um

1964
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:29,320
versus a greenfield project like Kate

1965
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:31,600
saying our secondary plan areas or um

1966
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:34,160
even in the new areas to the north end

1967
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:36,160
of the city. Um

1968
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:38,440
so, I I mean, I I hesitate to say, but I

1969
01:15:38,440 --> 01:15:40,360
think at the end of it, it's all of the

1970
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:42,280
pieces. We talk a lot about making sure

1971
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:45,560
that um the the

1972
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:48,160
whatever's being proposed um is livable.

1973
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:50,600
And so, to the greatest extent possible,

1974
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:52,560
if there is already development in the

1975
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:55,000
area, you want to make sure that to the

1976
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:56,880
greatest extent possible, the built form

1977
01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:59,320
is compatible, the the setback from the

1978
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:02,080
street is compatible, the um as many

1979
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:03,880
mature trees as can can be kept as

1980
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:05,880
possible, um

1981
01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:07,800
those types of things, you know, when

1982
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:09,200
you're looking at infill are are

1983
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:12,600
important um as well as um

1984
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:15,480
fundamentally, how are

1985
01:16:15,480 --> 01:16:16,760
how is the existing neighborhood going

1986
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:19,000
to be impacted by the new development?

1987
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:20,640
And those things talk about the things

1988
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:21,880
we've already talked about tonight in

1989
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:24,000
terms of transportation and servicing

1990
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:26,480
and um and again, that that is going to

1991
01:16:26,480 --> 01:16:28,040
be different whether you're dealing with

1992
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:30,200
um an infill project or perhaps

1993
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:32,000
something that is a little bit more of

1994
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:36,550
greenfield development.

1995
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:38,200
Thank you very much. I really appreciate

1996
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:40,800
it. And thank you, Chair Nixon, for the

1997
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:42,200
room to ask all those questions. Thank

1998
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:44,950
you.

1999
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:46,240
are welcome.

2000
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:48,600
Um Marinella, I believe you had a

2001
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:51,800
question of clarification.

2002
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:53,960
Yeah, thanks so much um Mr. Chairman.

2003
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:56,560
Thank you for the liberal approach to

2004
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:57,760
letting me

2005
01:16:57,760 --> 01:16:58,880
um

2006
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:01,360
ask some things here. Cuz I

2007
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:03,000
I'm not sure if I'm on the exact. So,

2008
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:04,880
thank you for that.

2009
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:06,360
Um

2010
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:08,520
I actually want to clarify some things

2011
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:10,480
for members of the public. Uh

2012
01:17:10,480 --> 01:17:13,520
as Mr. Mr. Brooker can probably attest,

2013
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:15,920
I spent a lot of time walking down these

2014
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:17,560
streets saying hi to folks when I was

2015
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:20,320
18, 21, 25 running for Council in this

2016
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:21,640
ward.

2017
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:24,040
And and did so with petitions and block

2018
01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:26,920
development and those types of things.

2019
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:28,800
Uh

2020
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:31,440
I want to really hone in on something

2021
01:17:31,440 --> 01:17:33,640
that Ms. Banfield just said, which was

2022
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:36,200
there is a massive change

2023
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:38,600
in the way

2024
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:41,040
a development is interpreted today

2025
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:43,280
versus 20 years ago.

2026
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:46,720
Um and so, I really want members of the

2027
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:48,960
public to walk away with with all the

2028
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:50,400
information

2029
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:54,280
so that there's not a position

2030
01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:55,680
that

2031
01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:57,240
you think one thing, but it's something

2032
01:17:57,240 --> 01:17:58,560
else.

2033
01:17:58,560 --> 01:17:59,520
So, I'm going to ask some questions to

2034
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:03,400
Ms. Banfield just to clarify

2035
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:05,560
information for the public tonight so we

2036
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:07,520
don't get here three or four or five or

2037
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:09,320
six or seven or 10 months or a year from

2038
01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:10,440
now

2039
01:18:10,440 --> 01:18:12,640
uh thinking, "Well, why did I get

2040
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:14,200
blindsided, and why didn't I know that

2041
01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:16,320
information?" Okay?

2042
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:18,880
So, um

2043
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:21,200
the

2044
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:23,880
current property is one property. It's

2045
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:26,880
being proposed to be split into

2046
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:29,280
essentially two properties as viewed by

2047
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:32,480
the city with then

2048
01:18:32,480 --> 01:18:34,400
multiple dwellings on the second

2049
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:36,280
property. Is that Am I interpreting that

2050
01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:37,600
correctly, or is there a better way to

2051
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:40,040
say it than than that?

2052
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:42,600
Through you, Chair Harris, to Marinella.

2053
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:45,040
So, you are correct. The existing house

2054
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:48,760
would be um subdivided off, and then the

2055
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:50,200
remaining

2056
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:52,480
proposed six units would be dealt with

2057
01:18:52,480 --> 01:18:54,120
through a condominium, and would

2058
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:57,760
essentially be on one block. Okay.

2059
01:18:57,760 --> 01:18:58,840
So,

2060
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:01,320
if we were to pretend for a second

2061
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:02,560
that

2062
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:04,760
there was not six units being proposed

2063
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:07,640
onto a condominium block.

2064
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:11,120
Um and it was being divided into just

2065
01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:12,880
two lots, one with the existing

2066
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:14,240
dwelling,

2067
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:17,120
and then one for a new dwelling.

2068
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:20,040
Is that Does it meet the qualification

2069
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:26,310
for that based on the frontage, etc.

2070
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:29,520
Through you, Chair Nixon, to Mayor

2071
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:31,080
Neddle. So,

2072
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:33,480
the crux of that would be if we could

2073
01:19:33,480 --> 01:19:35,400
would be depend on how much frontage is

2074
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:38,080
on Jean Street. The configuration of the

2075
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:40,360
existing house is that kind of long,

2076
01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:42,320
which makes it a bit challenging to

2077
01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:45,920
subdivide it just at the house and still actually

2078
01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:48,080
have frontage onto Jean Street, which is

2079
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:51,000
important for a severance. So,

2080
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:53,840
in your scenario, without doing kind of

2081
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:56,120
everything correctly tonight, um most

2082
01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:57,800
likely the existing house would have to

2083
01:19:57,800 --> 01:20:00,280
be demolished to be able to have to

2084
01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:02,520
create two lots that would still have

2085
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:05,680
frontage on Jean Street.

2086
01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:11,030
Okay, so basically by

2087
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:13,000
the city wouldn't allow, this is good

2088
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:15,080
information, the city wouldn't allow

2089
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:16,320
a

2090
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:18,320
lot beside it that wasn't essentially a

2091
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:21,000
straight one back. It wouldn't allow it

2092
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:23,000
if it went down and off to the side,

2093
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:26,040
kind of the way that lot is configured.

2094
01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:28,960
Through you, Chair Nixon, to um

2095
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:32,080
to to the Mayor to Mayor Neddle. So,

2096
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:34,800
currently the property is zoned R2, so

2097
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:37,520
we don't believe, again, very quickly,

2098
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:38,800
looking that the the frontage

2099
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:41,440
requirement of the R2 for two lots would

2100
01:20:41,440 --> 01:20:45,280
be satisfied um without reconfiguring

2101
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:47,040
the existing house.

2102
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:48,360
Yeah.

2103
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:49,920
Okay, good. That that is a good piece of

2104
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:51,400
information. Thank you.

2105
01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:53,240
Uh the

2106
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:57,160
if this were to get sent to the Ontario

2107
01:20:57,160 --> 01:20:59,440
Land Tribunal by

2108
01:20:59,440 --> 01:21:00,520
the

2109
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:01,080
um

2110
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:02,680
applicant,

2111
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:06,120
uh what ability do the residents have to

2112
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:08,640
uh intervene in that process

2113
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:13,310
today versus 20 years ago?

2114
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:15,120
Through you,

2115
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:16,760
Chair Nixon,

2116
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:19,760
uh to Mayor Neddle. So, as it relates to

2117
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:22,560
appeals for zoning bylaw amendments, not

2118
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:24,320
too much has changed. It's the bigger

2119
01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:26,960
change has been around site plan and

2120
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:29,320
minor Committee of Adjustment decisions.

2121
01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:32,840
So, depending on how um the application

2122
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:36,160
got to the OLT, so Council could refuse

2123
01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:38,640
it and the applicant could um appeal it,

2124
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:40,720
Council could approve it, and the um

2125
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:42,280
residents could appeal it. So, it would

2126
01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:44,320
depend really on how it got to the

2127
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:46,560
board, but um

2128
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:47,880
the easiest probably for this example is

2129
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:49,160
let's say Council refuses it and the

2130
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:52,680
applicant takes it to the um to the OLT.

2131
01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:55,240
So, at that point, um the OLT would ask

2132
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:57,080
the City of Barrie who came out to the

2133
01:21:57,080 --> 01:21:59,000
public meeting, who's been involved, and

2134
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:00,600
then at that point residents would have

2135
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:02,800
the ability to to ask to be a part of

2136
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:04,800
the hearing.

2137
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:06,680
Okay, so so they have the ability at

2138
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:07,720
that point to ask to be a part of the

2139
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:09,760
hearing, not guaranteed or it is

2140
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:11,360
guaranteed?

2141
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:14,880
Through you, Chair Nixon, to Mayor

2142
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:16,560
Neddle. I haven't seen where they

2143
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:18,080
haven't been able where residents

2144
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:19,680
haven't been able to. I I suppose it's

2145
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:21,600
technically possible, but certainly in

2146
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:23,960
my experience I haven't seen where

2147
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:24,560
um

2148
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:26,960
residents have come and asked to speak

2149
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:29,000
at an OLT or be a part of it. I haven't

2150
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:33,550
seen a case where they've been refused.

2151
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:35,560
Sorry, you still had it on. Okay, so

2152
01:22:35,560 --> 01:22:37,560
over the last 3 years,

2153
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:40,200
uh since the changes with what was it,

2154
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:42,200
Bill 1

2155
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:44,120
19?

2156
01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:46,440
Bill 23 and 119?

2157
01:22:46,440 --> 01:22:47,560
Uh

2158
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:49,920
Don't trust them. The other the other 22

2159
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:51,480
bills that changed it. [laughter]

2160
01:22:51,480 --> 01:22:53,640
Um

2161
01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:55,360
We don't go to the OLT very often,

2162
01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:59,240
folks, so so uh through those changes,

2163
01:22:59,240 --> 01:23:01,840
uh that hasn't limited the ability for

2164
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:03,600
the residents to

2165
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:06,760
uh go and intervene the

2166
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:07,400
uh

2167
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:09,960
OLT on these types of issues, only on

2168
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:12,120
the site plan and

2169
01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:14,600
uh plan of subdivision.

2170
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:16,040
Or minor variance. No, you're correct.

2171
01:23:16,040 --> 01:23:18,120
Through through you, Chair Nixon, to

2172
01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:19,040
Mayor Neddle. You're right, I didn't

2173
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:20,920
actually say draft plan of subdivision,

2174
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:22,080
but you're right though, that's those

2175
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:23,720
are the three that um the Committee of

2176
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:25,680
Adjustment applications, the draft

2177
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:28,240
plans, and site plans. Okay, great.

2178
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:29,320
Um

2179
01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:31,520
so that would leave it open for for the

2180
01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:33,720
residents as well. That's good. Uh the

2181
01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:35,600
final piece being

2182
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:37,840
if the

2183
01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:40,040
if we were in the scenario today where

2184
01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:41,960
the applicant said,

2185
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:43,840
"I'm actually just going to proceed with

2186
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:46,480
four as of right."

2187
01:23:46,480 --> 01:23:48,120
And

2188
01:23:48,120 --> 01:23:50,600
are they able to proceed with four as of

2189
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:51,960
right?

2190
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:53,880
And for for the public, I know

2191
01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:55,320
Councilor Harris touched on this, Ms.

2192
01:23:55,320 --> 01:23:57,080
Banfield touched on this.

2193
01:23:57,080 --> 01:23:59,920
Uh four as of right is something was um

2194
01:23:59,920 --> 01:24:02,000
pushed by the federal government

2195
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:05,000
uh on on municipalities. Three as of

2196
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:07,720
right is embedded, I believe, inside of

2197
01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:10,160
uh Ontario at this point.

2198
01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:11,240
Um

2199
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:13,800
so would four as of right apply to the

2200
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:17,000
single property as it is

2201
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:19,520
configured today?

2202
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:21,600
Through you, Chair Nixon, to Mayor

2203
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:24,160
Neddle. So, correct, it would be we we

2204
01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:25,920
the term we use is like four units per

2205
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:28,680
lot, so there's one existing home, and

2206
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:31,360
then they could technically have three

2207
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:33,200
other lot or three other not lot, sorry,

2208
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:34,760
three other units

2209
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:37,160
um that could be um either like basement

2210
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:39,520
suites or like a um

2211
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:41,960
a detached dwelling unit as well, yes,

2212
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:43,600
um because this property does have

2213
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:46,160
frontage onto to Jean, and so they would

2214
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:48,400
be able to do the accessory dwelling

2215
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:49,840
units.

2216
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:51,400
And what's the maximum size of those

2217
01:24:51,400 --> 01:24:52,520
units?

2218
01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:54,120
It's done through a percent through you

2219
01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:56,600
at Chair Nixon to Mayor Neddle. It is a

2220
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:58,040
percentage, and so while we say four

2221
01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:01,360
units as of right or four units, um

2222
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:02,640
there still would be standards that

2223
01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:04,080
would have to be looked at, and so it

2224
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:05,880
would really depend on um whether

2225
01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:07,200
they're internal to the existing

2226
01:25:07,200 --> 01:25:08,640
building or additional, we'd have to

2227
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:10,760
take a look at that. So, even though you

2228
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:12,760
could do the four units, sometimes you

2229
01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:15,480
can't do the four units um just because

2230
01:25:15,480 --> 01:25:18,560
of the standards of the zoning bylaw.

2231
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:20,600
Okay, is there any way that as in your

2232
01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:21,160
uh

2233
01:25:21,160 --> 01:25:23,000
work that's done by the planning staff

2234
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:24,880
for when this comes back, I'd like to

2235
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:26,080
know

2236
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:26,760
uh

2237
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:29,280
what

2238
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:31,240
is

2239
01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:33,080
the potential

2240
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:34,400
without

2241
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:35,960
uh in the sense that

2242
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:38,240
I'd like to understand

2243
01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:40,600
if this is a probably a no-go for any

2244
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:42,320
ancillary structure

2245
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:45,640
or if somebody could come forward,

2246
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:47,840
uh Mr. Petalia or someone else,

2247
01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:49,520
and put,

2248
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:51,240
you know, another structure that's a

2249
01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:52,720
triplex,

2250
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:55,480
a duplex and a single or three singles

2251
01:25:55,480 --> 01:25:58,320
in place on the same property or

2252
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:01,120
like what what it it would

2253
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:03,680
the size of the property would allow

2254
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:05,000
according to these provincial federal

2255
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:07,600
regulations.

2256
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:10,520
Through you, Chair Nixon, to um Mayor

2257
01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:11,880
Neddle. So, that would be like a highest

2258
01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:14,200
and best use kind of calculation of the

2259
01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:16,040
existing zoning, um and we could

2260
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:18,640
certainly have a have a comment in the

2261
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:23,310
staff report when it comes back.

2262
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:24,240
Uh

2263
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:26,280
thank you. I I really appreciate uh

2264
01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:27,760
that, and I think it's really important

2265
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:29,800
that that information is taken into

2266
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:35,240
consideration. I I've not been a fan of of

2267
01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:36,480
some of the city's interactions with the

2268
01:26:36,480 --> 01:26:39,480
applicant, uh to be to be blunt.

2269
01:26:39,480 --> 01:26:41,320
Um

2270
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:43,280
but I also recognize that like we don't

2271
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:46,040
love I mean, I don't I'm not saying we I

2272
01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:48,000
don't love four as of right. I don't

2273
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:49,320
love changing

2274
01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:51,560
units. I think it should be planned out,

2275
01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:52,960
but that's the world we live in, and so

2276
01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:54,360
you need to have the same information

2277
01:26:54,360 --> 01:27:01,950
that we have uh to go forward.

2278
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:04,520
Uh thank you. Do uh any non-members of

2279
01:27:04,520 --> 01:27:05,840
committee have any questions of

2280
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:17,110
clarification?

2281
01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:19,560
Yes, you have already spoke.

2282
01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:20,920
I just wanted to say something and to

2283
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:22,160
clarify what they've been talking about

2284
01:27:22,160 --> 01:27:24,640
the four as of right or whatever. Yeah,

2285
01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:26,320
I'm afraid no. Once you've spoken,

2286
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:28,800
that's that's it, but thank you.

2287
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:29,840
Uh

2288
01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:32,440
Councillor Rhema.

2289
01:27:32,440 --> 01:27:35,440
Um thank you, Chair Nixon, and and this

2290
01:27:35,440 --> 01:27:37,560
is also to Ms. Banfield. I'm a little

2291
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:40,920
confused. Um there's there was uh

2292
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:42,600
a draft plan of subdivision here, and

2293
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:45,120
then I also hear condominium plan. So,

2294
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:48,670
which is it or is it both?

2295
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:51,800
Through you, Chair Nixon, to Councillor

2296
01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:53,920
Rhema. So, um

2297
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:55,920
in some cases in the older areas of

2298
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:58,830
town, um

2299
01:27:58,840 --> 01:28:00,000
you need to do a draft plan of

2300
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:02,680
subdivision to bring the entire property

2301
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:04,920
into land titles to be able to then

2302
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:07,360
condominiumize it to be able to give

2303
01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:09,280
clear title, and I'm so sorry cuz I know

2304
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:12,040
it's so so technical, um but but that's

2305
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:13,560
kind of the realities of the draft plan.

2306
01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:16,280
Think of the draft plan as kind of

2307
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:18,040
the boundary, if you will, and the one

2308
01:28:18,040 --> 01:28:20,560
lot, and then that will create two

2309
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:23,800
parcels um in a proper land titles

2310
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:25,880
situation that would then let the

2311
01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:27,719
condominium go on the balance of the

2312
01:28:27,719 --> 01:28:30,760
property. Um that's

2313
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:32,760
essentially how we would do it um in

2314
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:34,240
some of these older areas of town. So,

2315
01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:35,880
some of these subdivisions in the older

2316
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:37,280
areas of town are not even super

2317
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:38,680
exciting. Like there was a subdivision,

2318
01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:41,040
but it's like one block, but but

2319
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:43,320
typically that um that's why it's done

2320
01:28:43,320 --> 01:28:47,990
that way.

2321
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:49,160
Okay, thank you. We will move to our

2322
01:28:49,160 --> 01:28:51,160
fourth public meeting. Uh there'll be no

2323
01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:52,680
presentation this evening as the

2324
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:54,520
proposed zoning bylaw amendment was

2325
01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:56,600
introduced by Mayor Neddle pursuant to

2326
01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:58,840
Bill 3, the Strong Mayors Building Homes

2327
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:00,400
Act,

2328
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:03,240
which amended the Municipal Act, 2001,

2329
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:04,280
in accordance [clears throat] with

2330
01:29:04,280 --> 01:29:06,880
subsection 284

2331
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:12,520
uh three, section B, of the

2332
01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:14,960
Municipal Act, 2001,

2333
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:17,719
SO 2001,

2334
01:29:17,719 --> 01:29:20,560
section 25 as amended.

2335
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:21,880
The purpose of the amendment is to

2336
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:23,960
support Royal Victoria Regional Health

2337
01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:26,600
Care's redevelopment and future

2338
01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:28,840
expansion.

2339
01:29:28,840 --> 01:29:31,040
Uh, were there any uh

2340
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:32,920
public comments?

2341
01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:36,600
Has anyone registered? Has anyone No.

2342
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:37,760
Okay.

2343
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:39,200
Uh, members of committee, do you have

2344
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:43,430
any questions of clarification?

2345
01:29:43,440 --> 01:29:45,400
Seeing none.

2346
01:29:45,400 --> 01:29:47,640
Okay. If anyone has any further written

2347
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:49,800
comments or you can submit them to

2348
01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:51,560
Michelle Banfield, executive director of

2349
01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:53,080
development services at

2350
01:29:53,080 --> 01:29:57,710
michelle.banfield@barrie.ca.

2351
01:29:57,720 --> 01:29:59,600
Excuse me, Mr. Chairman.

2352
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:09,270
Do I get a chance to ask a question?

2353
01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:10,760
Yes, go ahead.

2354
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:13,350
Thank you. [laughter]

2355
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:14,560
I didn't I didn't I didn't want to

2356
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:16,040
interrupt your flow without you

2357
01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:17,320
realizing it.

2358
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:18,640
Actually, I thought I turned it to you a

2359
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:21,040
moment ago and you you did ask your

2360
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:23,080
question, but anyways, go ahead.

2361
01:30:23,080 --> 01:30:25,760
On on this one, um, just one quick

2362
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:29,400
question and and that is, um, there's no

2363
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:31,600
uh drawing attached to

2364
01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:34,520
uh this bylaw and I'm more concerned

2365
01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:37,600
about the area that is um in former

2366
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:38,880
Springwater

2367
01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:40,480
and that is um

2368
01:30:40,480 --> 01:30:42,640
there are quite a number of trees on

2369
01:30:42,640 --> 01:30:43,840
that property

2370
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:48,480
and I wanted to find out from you and there's a slope as well

2371
01:30:48,480 --> 01:30:51,400
in part of it. Um, I want to find out

2372
01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:54,800
from uh Ms. Banfield uh what the plan is

2373
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:55,880
for

2374
01:30:55,880 --> 01:30:58,320
uh for those um sort of environmental

2375
01:30:58,320 --> 01:31:00,640
areas and uh how we'll be protecting

2376
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:02,800
them if if if that's in the in the

2377
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:05,310
works.

2378
01:31:05,320 --> 01:31:06,400
Through you, Councillor Nixon and

2379
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:08,920
Councillor Reimann. So, this really just

2380
01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:11,960
um sets up the zoning for the proposal

2381
01:31:11,960 --> 01:31:14,440
for RVH and uh staff have been in

2382
01:31:14,440 --> 01:31:16,800
contact with RVH team and they'll be

2383
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:19,440
doing a site plan um application that

2384
01:31:19,440 --> 01:31:22,320
will take a look at um the environmental

2385
01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:24,880
impacts and the tree boundaries and um

2386
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:27,200
those sorts of things. So, um we expect

2387
01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:30,440
that to move relatively swiftly um but

2388
01:31:30,440 --> 01:31:32,240
all of that work that's going to that

2389
01:31:32,240 --> 01:31:33,800
you talk about the grading and and all

2390
01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:35,080
those sorts of things will be looked at

2391
01:31:35,080 --> 01:31:37,520
through the um the site plan and it is

2392
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:39,280
actually within the Nottawasaga Valley

2393
01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:41,640
Conservation Authority limits um and

2394
01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:43,880
they've already been in contact with um

2395
01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:45,760
the conservation authority to get that

2396
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:49,400
um development limit mapped and um and

2397
01:31:49,400 --> 01:31:51,760
so that they can move forward with um

2398
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:54,160
the overall proposal.

2399
01:31:54,160 --> 01:31:57,670
Okay. Thank you.

2400
01:31:57,680 --> 01:32:00,360
Okay. This concludes the affordability

2401
01:32:00,360 --> 01:32:02,360
committee meeting. The meeting is

2402
01:32:02,360 --> 01:32:05,600
adjourned and we will move to city

2403
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:08,600
council meeting in

2404
01:32:08,600 --> 01:32:12,080
Give me 1 minute. Yeah.